[19:22] <tueftler__> i'm a linux noob and tomreyn had help me some days ago with the same disk...
[19:22] <leftyfb> whitebeast: the link I sent you will not send you anywhere but to download the iso directly
[19:23] <user___> hey, where do i find the ubuntu desktop kernel .deb file?http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/linux/ seems empty
[19:24] <tueftler__> i can't double click to the disk directly. Ubuntu get out an error message that it cant mout it. Could anyone give me a tour to mount that? ;)
[19:26] <ImageJPEG> So I'm using ddrescue to attempt to recover data from a bad hfs+ drive. Any ideas on how to fix the file system and mount the image once I'm done using ddrescue? I already have hfsprogs and the fs drivers
[19:27] <akik> ImageJPEG: you can access the partitions inside a file with losetup & kpartx
[19:28] <ImageJPEG> I should correct myself. I'm only ddrescueing a partition. It's the main partition. Will that make a difference?
[19:30] <akik> ImageJPEG: i haven't tried one single partition but maybe "losetup -fv partition.img", then access /dev/loop0
[19:31] <ImageJPEG> meh, screw it, I'll just redo ddrecover and do the whole drive. It seems to be the preferred way anyway.
[19:32] <akik> ImageJPEG: if a case with a file which includes a partition table, it would be "losetup -fv disk.img; kpartx -av /dev/loop0"
[19:32] <akik> ImageJPEG: then the partitions would be added under /dev/mapper
[19:32] <ImageJPEG> is kpartx a kde app or is that just the name?
[19:33] <akik> ImageJPEG: it's just a normal terminal app
[19:33] <rustyrazorblade> figured out my issue.  brought up ubuntu in rescue mode, edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg (i think), fixed the volume paths.
[19:33] <ImageJPEG> alright
[19:35] <tueftler__> @all. Question solved by google. I remembered the mdadm command. Its running now. Thank you anyway!
[19:37] <razer_> hi
[19:45] <bencc> how can I uninstall the default vbox guest additions that comes preinstalled?
[19:59] <x3ntr0p1a> Hi, somebody knows how to update php ?
[20:03] <EriC^^> x3ntr0p1a: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' upgrades all packages
[20:07] <fishcooker> 3 days ago was my succesfull suspending box, after that i have to shutdown my box ... i've tried the stock kernel installed but no luck
[20:15] <nacc> x3ntr0p1a: can you be more specific?
[20:27] <Andreysan> Hello! I have Ubuntu installed on my laptop. I am trying to boot the laptop from a liveUSB that is not ubuntu. Unfortunately my BIOS does not reconize the USB device in the boot-startup list. The only entry in the list is "ubuntu". The boot options say "ubuntu" even when i remove the HDD containing ubuntu. Is this a problem that ubuntu has caused?
[20:27] <Andreysan> Thank you :)
[20:31] <DexterF> Andreysan, the menu that offers "ubuntu" is the GRUB boot loader, that's past the BIOS.
[20:32] <DexterF> probably there is a hotkey to go into the bios boot menu, depends on your board, otherwise enter BIOS and priorize USB boot before disk boot
[20:32] <Andreysan> DexterF, no, i am not talking about the GRUB.. "Ubuntu" litterally appears in my BIOS boot priority list
[20:32] <Andreysan> There are no USB boot option inside BIOS
[20:32] <DexterF> Andreysan, you labeled the disk like that then?
[20:32] <DexterF> Andreysan, anyway, what's the boot prio in BIOS?
[20:34] <Andreysan> I can not remember, it is an old computer. The problem is that even when i remove the HDD containing ubuntu, the boot list still says "ubuntu"
[20:34] <Andreysan> "ubuntu" is the only option i have
[20:36] <root> wow
[20:38] <mdew> Anyone managed to disable the IPv6 eui-64 address on 17.10?
[20:39] <german_pizza> Hey floks
[20:40] <german_pizza> How an I supposed to install all the build dependaces in one go?
[20:41] <mdew> "apt-get -f install"  I believe installs all dependencies.
[20:41] <mdew> At least that's what I've used after "dpkg -i" and it erroring to missing deps.
[20:43] <nacc> german_pizza: build depedencies?
[20:43] <nacc> german_pizza: apt-get build-dep, but what are you buillding and why?
[20:44] <nacc> mdew: it's recomended (i believe) to use gdebi or now the software centre (in the versions where it works) to install debs
[20:44] <TJ-> german_pizza: You mean "apt-get build-dep <package>" ?
[20:45] <mdew> nacc: didn't even think of gdebi, good idea.
[20:46] <german_pizza> I should have been more specific, in case i want to compile something frome source, and I'm missing libraries, like boost
[20:47] <german_pizza> Should i iterate over the missing libraries trying which works [apt cache search boost dev]
[20:48] <TJ-> german_pizza: you mean compile a project from source, where that project isn't already in the archives at all?
[20:48] <salamanderrake> Thanks Sveta
[20:49] <german_pizza> TJ- or in case i want to test a bugfix
[20:50] <nacc> german_pizza: well testing a bugfix would mean you build the package with the change, normally
[20:50] <german_pizza> Sure
[20:50] <german_pizza> Picture this situation
[20:50] <nacc> german_pizza: which means you'd use `apt-get build-dep` and build the source package
[20:51] <german_pizza> Let's say you want to test a libinput patch
[20:51] <german_pizza> 1 clone the repo
[20:51] <german_pizza> 2 apply the patch
[20:51] <german_pizza> 3 make config
[20:51] <nacc> german_pizza: if you are trying to test a fix for an ubuntu package, all of that is incorrect.
[20:52] <german_pizza> Here make complains about something missing
[20:52] <nacc> german_pizza: if you mean test upstream changes, then you should already know how to build it from source (and if you need helpl with that, then ask upstream)
[20:53] <mdew> So no luck removing EUI64 v6 addresses from 17.10? :)
[20:53] <german_pizza> I just wanted to know if there is a way to install all of the building dependencies  of x pakage in one go
[20:53] <german_pizza> Anyway I'll ask upstream
[20:53] <nacc> german_pizza: you are mixing up packages and upstream
[20:53] <nacc> german_pizza: so I don't know what you're actually asking
[20:53] <german_pizza> Cool
[20:54] <nacc> german_pizza: if you mean package, then yes, use build-dep as you've been told twice
[20:54] <german_pizza> Nope
[20:54] <vila> german_pizza: You had the answer for build deps:
[20:54] <vila> [09/01 21:50] <nacc> german_pizza: which means you'd use `apt-get build-dep` and build the source package
[20:54] <vila> german_pizza: think about build deps as everything you need to build the package
[20:55] <german_pizza> I lost it
[20:55] <german_pizza> I'm sorry
[20:55] <vila> german_pizza: apt-get build-dep <pkg>
[20:55] <german_pizza> Thanks everybody
[20:56] <trneal> does anyone here know what the ubuntu release SNS subscription ARN is?
[20:57] <nacc> trneal: you might ask in #ubuntu-server
[20:57] <trneal> i can do that, thank you!
[20:58] <DexterF> Andreysan, if you disconnect the disk, what you see in the BIOS cannot be the disk.
[20:58] <DexterF> is it possible you installed GRUB to a diffent medium, a usb stick, another disk or so?
[20:58] <DexterF> is there more than one disk installed? did you install rub to the usb stick accidentally?
[21:00] <fishcooker> is suspend using disk to ooperate or just using swap or memory?
[21:01] <hfp> Hi, does Netplan on 17.10 know how to handle pppoe connections?
[21:01] <hfp> I can't find anything relevant to that in the docs
[21:02] <nacc> fishcooker: suspend uses ram (not swap, which is disk), aiui
[21:02] <nacc> fishcooker: going to disk is called hibernnate
[21:04] <fishcooker> nacc as i said before 3 days ago the last successful suspend, i have enough ram Mem:           7899        1961        4060         105        1878        5536
[21:04] <ikonia> win 1
[21:04] <fishcooker> now i can't ... i used all stock kernel but no luck nacc
[21:05] <TJ-> hfp: it doesn't seem so; I don't see anything either
[21:06] <TJ-> fishcooker: check 'dmesg' or /var/log/kern.log for clues around the suspend attempt, usually if it fails the kernel will log a message about the failing device/driver
[21:06] <fishcooker> actually it successfully suspend then in 2 seconds it resuming again TJ-
[21:07] <TJ-> fishcooker: right, so check the log, it may indicate why it resumed. usually it's some device failing to go to S3 so the kernel recovers.
[21:08] <TJ-> fishcooker: we've seen instances of faulty firmware where the first suspend after boot works, but later suspends don't, too. Is this the first suspend after boot, or had the PC already suspended successfully previously ?
[21:09] <hfp> TJ-: right, so could I use netplan for some of the network config and networkmanager for the pppoe connections?
[21:09] <fishcooker> TJ-: first suspend after boot
[21:10] <TJ-> hfp: Hmmm, not sure. I think I'd do away wth netplan unless I was trying to deploy to lots of desktops, and just directly apply the Network Manager config file
[21:10] <TJ-> fishcooker: has it previously worked with Ubuntu? If so, is this happening after a kernel upgrade?
[21:11] <fishcooker> yes
[21:11] <fishcooker> i've tried using the oldest kernel but no luck
[21:12] <TJ-> fishcooker: hmmm. if you can pastebin the latest /var/log/kern.log that covers a suspend attempt we may be able to find a clue
[21:13] <fishcooker> i will read the kern.log and dmesg output TJ-
[21:17] <folatt> What's the equivalent of 'iwconfig wlan0 channel auto' for iw?
[21:18] <nagyg> hi
[21:18] <alexey_> hi all :) need you advice! Any meltdown&spectre kernel updates are ready?
[21:22] <nullifidian> vulnurabilities everywhere! in nvidia drivers too https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4611
[21:22] <mdew> alexey_: I don't think so. There are some in testing from what I understand from #ubuntu-server.
[21:23] <whaley> is there a standard place to mount extra hard drive partitions that are installed internally?  I realize it doesn't matter, really, but as I understand it the convention is /media is for external drives and /mnt is for temporary mounting.
[21:23] <hfp> whaley: wondering about this too myself
[21:23] <whaley> basically, I've got a 2TB internal disk I just installed and was going to mount it to a directory in my $HOME unless there's a more conventional spot
[21:24] <hfp> whaley: ubuntu seems to put everything in /media by default
[21:25] <TJ-> whaley: /media/$USER/ is the base used by udisks for hot-plug storage. For permanent storage I mount the file-systems where they're needed. I use LVM too so I can have LVs on-demand for specific purposes
[21:26] <samprime516> test
[21:27] <whaley> TJ-: *nod* thanks
[21:28] <nagyg> Anyone has experience here with systemd-resolved or dnsmasq? I have a dnsmasq config from Ubuntu 16.10 which on 17.10 has problems because of systemd-resolved. Should I simply disable systemd-resolved or can I transfer the config somehow to systemd-resolved?
[21:28] <SethY> google search walmart applesauce
[21:28] <SethY> how much is walmart applesauce
[21:28] <samprime516> this is not google
[21:28] <SethY> google search walmart applesauce price
[21:28] <nagyg> 1.98 :D
[21:28] <SethY> hey google walmart applesauce
[21:28] <pedrocr> weren't the meltdown/spectre kernels supposed to come out today?
[21:29] <SethY> google walmart applesauce
[21:29] <SethY> how do i delete this
[21:29] <hfp> nagyg: systemd-resolved is buggy, I pulled my hair out for a while until I realized that. I just disabled it and things work so much better now
[21:29] <SethY> google applesauce walmart price
[21:30] <Ben64> SethY: stop
[21:30] <SethY> walmart applesauce
[21:30] <hfp> nagyg: This is what I used to disable it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu/907249#907249
[21:30] <nagyg> hfp, thanks ... do I lose anything with disabling it?
[21:30] <Ben64> SethY: no, this is not how to search things online, go to http://www.google.com
[21:30] <SethY> how do i do a google search
[21:30] <SethY> please help
[21:30] <hfp> nagyg: it seems like it's messing up with vpns to some extent. I dont use vpns, and it fixed everything else I cared about
[21:31] <SethY> ben help me
[21:31] <SethY> google.com
[21:31] <Ben64> ikonia: still around?
[21:31] <ikonia> Ben64: hello ?
[21:31] <nagyg> hfp: I use vpn every day at workplace and it messes up my local name resolution :(
[21:31] <SethY> walmart applesauce
[21:31] <hfp> ikonia: SethY loves applesauce too much
[21:31] <Ben64> yeah that ^
[21:31] <ikonia> ahhh I see
[21:32] <ikonia> sorry, I wasn't paying attention
[21:32] <SethY> google applesauce
[21:32] <ikonia> SethY: enough with the messing around please
[21:32] <nagyg> hfp, I wil try what you sent to me and will see if that fixes my problems
[21:32] <ikonia> SethY: you're in an ubuntu support channel stick to that topic please or leave
[21:32] <SethY> walmart.om
[21:32] <hfp> nagyg: maybe make an image of your machine and try the SO fix. see how it works for you (and report in the SO thread so others benefit)
[21:32] <nagyg> ikonia, thanks :D
[21:32] <sambo> google applesause
[21:32] <ikonia> sorry, wasn't paying attention
[21:32] <nagyg> ahhhhahah :D
[21:33] <Ben64> np, thats what the ping was for :)
[21:34] <nagyg> hfp, I am not sure I understand what S0 fix is
[21:34] <hfp> nagyg: I meant SO as in Stack Overflow
[21:34] <nagyg> hfp, ah I see
[21:35] <hfp> nagyg: the answer I linked to shows how to disable systemd-resolved
[21:35] <nagyg> hfp, yes, I am reading it, thanks :)
[21:35] <hfp> nagyg: so yeah make an image of your disk so you can restore it if it messes anything up, and try disabling systemd-resolved, see if it breaks your vpn
[21:35] <hfp> nagyg: clonezilla is pretty good for imaging the full disk and restoring
[21:39] <apb1963> something is overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf with my ISP's nameservers rather than the nameservers I've setup in /etc/network/interfaces.  I disabled networkManager and wpa_supplicant.  What else might it be, and more importantly.. how can I make it stop doing that?  16.04
[21:42] <bemo> is dhcp running?
[21:42] <nagyg> hfp, I tried it and /etc/resolv.conf gets overwritten every time :O
[21:42] <nagyg> it's a shame
[21:43] <apb1963> bemo, yes - both client & server; which to my understanding is correct.
[21:44] <bemo> does this help?  https://www.vultr.com/docs/stop-dhcp-from-changing-resolve-conf
[21:44] <hfp> nagyg: hmmm odd, it worked for me
[21:45] <hfp> nagyg: you can also try this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320/comments/8 but some things are still broken with it like ssh and ping
[21:46] <Guest53> Hi, I have an old Radeon X1900 XT that I'm trying to set up with a TV as a monitor. The grub and stuff all loads fine, but afterwards the TV starts saying "Invalid Format" which I think means that the resolution is not supported? I'm unable to change the resolution with xrandr, which gives me the "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" error.
[21:46] <Guest53> Anyone have any ideas or has experienced this issue before? :(
[21:47] <apb1963> bemo, those ideas will probably work... but if that's the accepted ubuntu way of doing things.... yuk.
[21:47] <TJ-> Guest53: what output is driving the TV, HDMI?
[21:47] <Guest53> TJ-: DVI
[21:48] <V7> Is okay so after lm-sensors reinstallation there's no pwmconfig ?
[21:48] <apb1963> TJ-, Hey thanks for your help yesterday!  I was able to get it working.  You were instrumental.
[21:48] <V7> ubuntu 16.04.3
[21:48] <Guest53> Well actually, a DVI to VGA adapter.
[21:48] <TJ-> Guest53: does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log show the GPU able to receive the TV's EDID info (the resolutions and timings data) ?
[21:48] <Guest53> TJ-: I'll check
[21:49] <apb1963> something is overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf with my ISP's nameservers rather than the nameservers I've setup in /etc/network/interfaces.  I disabled networkManager and wpa_supplicant.  What else might it be, and more importantly.. how can I make it stop doing that?  16.04
[21:51] <TJ-> apb1963: updates to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf are usually performed by hook scripts under /etc/resolvconf/update.d/ (and is sibling directories)
[21:51] <ycyclist> Say, two days ago I found an article about a notebook specific Ubuntu.  Now I cannot find it.
[21:51] <ycyclist> I have this insignia that detaches to be a screen only touch driven thing which I think is called a notebook or notepad.
[21:51] <dax> ubuntu netbook remix used to exist years and years and years ago. were you thinking about that?
[21:52] <Guest53> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26355717/
[21:52] <ycyclist> Anyway, I originally just wanted a simple small laptop, but it has this detachable feature, so I wonder what linux would be best?
[21:52] <ycyclist> Guest53 Perhaps.
[21:53] <ycyclist> I was afraid about the years ago thing.
[21:53] <apb1963> TJ-, thank you!  That's helpful.  There's one file there "libc"
[21:53] <ycyclist> This little thing "only" has 2 gig memory, and 32 gig SSD, so it is limited against heavier stuff like batteries of vms and multi-boots on the disk.
[21:54] <ycyclist> But I got vim working on powershell, so I am fine for now.
[21:54] <TJ-> apb1963: what about in /etc/resolvconf/update-libc.d/ ? it may have avahi config
[21:54] <apb1963> TJ-, yes
[21:54] <pos> has there been any comment as to the apparently delay (kernel)?
[21:55] <TJ-> Guest53: that is weird, the Sony TV reports EDID with max res 1280x720 on DVI-0 but then the driver does "Output DVI-0 using initial mode 1920x1080 +0+0" and reports a "Modeline "1920x1080"x0.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync -vsync (67.5 kHz eP)"
[21:55] <Jef91> are there directions for building Wine on ubuntu 16.04 anywhere? Specifically I am looking for a list of dependencies. Can't seem to find a current one for wine staging
[21:55] <Guest53> TJ-: That's really odd. :(  I've ran other computers displaying on the TV at 1920x1080 resolution
[21:56] <Guest53> with no problem
[21:56] <TJ-> pos: PTI patched kernels are being published now for v4.13 (hwe-16.04-edge), 4.4 is still in the kernel PTI PPA for testing
[21:56] <TJ-> Guest53: does the TV do native 1920x1080p ?
[21:56] <V7> sudo apt install fancontrol was needed
[21:56] <Guest53> TJ-: I think so, lemme check real quick
[21:56] <pedrocr> apb1963: doesn't just uninstalling resolvconf work?
[21:56] <TJ-> Guest53: it looks as if the TV, on VGA, only reports supporting 1280x720 ... not sure why the driver is picking 1920x1080
[21:57] <pos> TJ-, just checked repos, is this mirror delay we're talking?
[21:58] <apb1963> pedrocr, that MAY work... but it's doubtful that's the right way.
[21:58] <apb1963> pedrocr, That's similar to chmod 777.  Yeah, it works.. but do you really want to do that?
[21:58] <jamiemh> Hello all , new here thought id say hi
[21:59] <pedrocr> apb1963: I don't know why you'd want dhcp with a fixed /etc/resolv.conf but if that's what you want you don't have much need for resolv.conf
[21:59] <pedrocr> s/resolv.conf/resolvconf
[21:59] <apb1963> pedrocr, I get a dhcp address from my ISP, and I'm running a DNS server for my own domain.
[22:00] <pedrocr> apb1963: what own domain?
[22:00] <TJ-> pos: published a few minutes ago, there are also other versions available for testing from the kernel PTI PPA
[22:00] <apb1963> pedrocr, The one I registered.
[22:00] <pos> alright then
[22:00] <pedrocr> apb1963: that's fine but that's no reason to not use the DNS server from your ISP
[22:01] <Ben64> TJ-: whats the new version?
[22:01] <pos> at least they kept their word as to the 9th. any specific reason for the 4.4 delay (re the issues msft ran into)?
[22:01] <apb1963> pedrocr, Other than I don't want to because I don't like what they do.
[22:01] <TJ-> apb1963: if you've disabled Network Manager are you running a standalone dhcpc ? Because with NM you can configure the connection to do "DHCP (Addresses only)" so it doesn't use nameservers provided by DHCP
[22:01] <pedrocr> apb1963: so use <IP_ADDRESS> or similar
[22:01] <pos> forced updates, works every time
[22:02] <apb1963> TJ-, dhcpd yes
[22:02] <pedrocr> apb1963: but what you are trying to do may be hard because it's not a natural config to use
[22:02] <apb1963> pedrocr, ok thanks for your help
[22:02] <Guest53> TJ-: Native resolution when running Windows is 1920x1080 for the TV
[22:02] <pedrocr> apb1963: if you're going to be unpleasant good luck...
[22:03] <apb1963> TJ-, I think I'd rather use NetworkManager, but I need to be able to do it all from a script.
[22:03] <TJ-> Ben64:  the 4.13 -108 package is in -security for  linux-image-4.13.0-24-generic_4.13.0-24.28~16.04.1_amd64.deb
[22:04] <apb1963> pedrocr, I didn't realize "thank you" was "unpleasant".
[22:04] <TJ-> Guest53: something weird there then, you can see the TV doesn't report supporting 1920x1080
[22:04] <Ben64> hmm, my apt doesn't see it yet
[22:05] <pedrocr> apb1963: you're just snapping back responses instead of actually describing what you're trying to do
[22:05] <pedrocr> is this a server or a user machine? does your own dns server resolve the whole internet or just your domain? etc...
[22:06] <nagyg> can anyone enlighten me what's the connection between network manager, systemd resolved and dnsmasq? I have all three on 17.10 with a previously working dnsmasq setup and it seems that the other two are just interfering with dnsmasq overwriting /etc/resolv.conf all the time. Tried disabling systemd-resolved with no luck.
[22:06] <Richard_Cavell> When are these updates available for Spectre/Meltdown bugs?  I'm on 16.04 and I can see header updates but no kernel updates
[22:06] <Guest53> TJ-: My bad, not enough context lines
[22:06] <Guest53> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26355788/
[22:07] <apb1963> pedrocr, its both server and... user.  My dns server resolves all.
[22:07] <Ben64> Richard_Cavell: should be very soon with hwe-edge
[22:08] <TJ-> Guest53: !!! that was a terribly accurate ommision; are you testing me!? :)
[22:08] <pedrocr> apb1963: so what dns server does your server use to resolve everything but your own domain?
[22:08] <Guest53> TJ-: Nah, I'm just feeling under the weather :(
[22:09] <DexterF> what's the difference between some wifi module and a mac80211 module?
[22:09] <apb1963> pedrocr, I use three others.  <IP_ADDRESS>, <IP_ADDRESS> and ns1.afraid.org
[22:09] <apb1963> the last one generally gets chopped off
[22:10] <pedrocr> apb1963: so why don't you just configure those DNS servers directly instead of pointing local resolution to your own DNS server?
[22:10] <apb1963> huh?
[22:10] <TJ-> Guest53: I've seen this before with TVs, where the modeline published in EDID doesn't work. The last time I dealt with it was many years ago though, and that time I used a Windows PC and the 'powerline' tool to capture the working modeline, and then added i manually using xorg.conf/xrandr
[22:10] <Yuji> TJ-: Are you the TJ that assisted a Yuji in attempting to install Kubuntu to an external USB3 disk that would keel over, possibly due to a buggy product or driver/bug with Linux regarding the hardware?
[22:10] <jk^> !rar
[22:11] <pedrocr> apb1963: network manager allows you to override DNS servers while using DHCP, just set it to whatever you want
[22:11] <TJ-> Yuji: I don't think I have a twin :)
[22:11] <Guest53> TJ-: What do you recommend I try? :)
[22:11] <pedrocr> apb1963: if you want to do it the old school way just remove resolvconf from the system entirely
[22:12] <Yuji> TJ-: I had forgotten your name specifically. Bad memory myself, few bits gone I suppose. I can't recall what you recommended I do if I never got it working. Something about contacting a hardware thread or mailing list or something..
[22:12] <TJ-> Yuji:  the  Asmedia chipset ASM1352R ?
[22:12] <Yuji> TJ-: Yes, that would be it. :)
[22:13] <banisterfiend> yo guys, how to i rebind the copy/paste shortcut keys? I can't stand C-c and C-v as it drives my emacs muscle memory crazy
[22:13] <Yuji> TJ-: I have some free time for a while, so I thought I'd try and file a bug report or do whatever might be necessary to help others about it.
[22:13] <TJ-> Yuji: did you manage to test those usb_storage quirks= options?
[22:14] <Yuji> banisterfiend: If Kubuntu, "Standard Shortcuts" has an option to override that behavior. Not sure if it is what you're looking for exactly.
[22:14] <TJ-> Yuji: from the last time:
[22:14] <TJ-> 2018-01-05 18:19:45     TJ-     Yuji: the only thing/quirk I can find is related to the ASM1042A requiring flow control when USB Ethernet devices are connected, nothing else. I think it'd be a good idea to report a bug on the kernel bugzilla and then send an email to the sub-system discussion list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(open list:USB XHCI DRIVER)
[22:14] <Yuji> TJ-: I was going to try it today. :)
[22:14] <pedrocr> apb1963: but you're using a very strange setup for no benefit that I can see
[22:15] <banisterfiend> Yuji is it possible to do it in the terminal instead of via the UI? cos i'm actually doing this for elementaryOS which is based on ubuntu but has a totally different UI -- but i'm sure the underlying 'fix' would be the same
[22:15] <pedrocr> apb1963: doing local resolution of DNS and serving DNS for a domain are generally very different things not handled by the same DNS servers even
[22:15] <pedrocr> apb1963: it's not impossible but it also doesn't gain you much if anything
[22:15] <TJ-> Yuji: 2018-01-05 18:39:15     TJ-     Yuji: did you try reloading the usb_storage module with a quirk? as in "modprobe usb_storage quirks=174c:1356:u" ?  ...  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/usb.c#n490
[22:15] <Yuji> banisterfiend: I wouldn't know. I've only ever used Gnome 2, KDE, Cinnamon.
[22:16] <Yuji> TJ-: I've grabbed a picture of the dialogue so as to remember across live-USBs. I'll try editing grub's boot param to include the quirk specific to the usb device. Hope it works.
[22:19] <TJ-> Guest53: I'm not sure, I'd try using xrandr to change resolution to 1280x720 to being with, see if I can get a working picture on the TV. Maybe have to SSH into the PC to do that if it doesn't have another display, so would need to do "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --output DVI-0 --size 1280x720" -- see the EXAMPLES section of "man xrandr" for how to add new (test) modes
[22:20] <TJ-> Yuji: better off just "sudo modprobe -r usb-storage" to remove it then "sudo modprobe usb-storage quirks=xxxx" to test them
[22:20] <TJ-> Yuji: no need to reboot for testing the various quirks
[22:21] <Yuji> TJ-: Yeah, a pain to edit the grub and repack every time.
[22:21] <TJ-> Yuji: also, check if that device might also need 'uas': "sudo modprobe uas" (which depends on usb-storage)
[22:21] <Yuji> TJ-: The installation medium is also USB.
[22:21] <Yuji> TJ-: Wouldn't this cause issues with it?
[22:22] <TJ-> Yuji: ahhh... hmmm, drat :)
[22:22] <Yuji> TJ-: That's why I originally edit grub every time.
[22:22] <apb1963> pedrocr, In what way do "doing local resolution of DNS and serving DNS for a domain are generally very different things" differ?
[22:22] <TJ-> Yuji: could you test it in a virtual machine; pass-through just the USB storage device to the VM?
[22:23] <Yuji> TJ-: That could be viable. I could switch back to Windows to do that (VMware Workstation). Hm.
[22:23] <TJ-> Yuji: right, that would be much faster since you'd not need to reboot the Linux VM either, just use the modprobe procedure
[22:23] <Yuji> TJ-: I'll follow up in a bit, gotta try some stuff around.
[22:23] <pedrocr> apb1963: usually DNS resolution for a domain is done by a DNS server somewhere that only resolves that domain
[22:24] <pedrocr> apb1963: meanwhile that server itself just uses normal ISP or Google DNS servers to resolve the things it needs itself
[22:24] <Guest53> TJ-: I've tried that, but to no avail :(
[22:24] <TJ-> Yuji: it'd be interesting as a test, if that device works inside a VM without a quirk that would be an interesting and useful datapoint
[22:26] <pedrocr> apb1963: the things you want from a DNS server for a domain (authorative response for just the few hosts in the domain) are different from what you want from your DNS server to resolve for the total internet (fast, usually cached, responses to all sorts of domains)
[22:27] <pedrocr> apb1963: it's of course possible to configure DNS servers to do both jobs (as you've apparently done) but there's not much reason to
[22:27] <apb1963> pedrocr, Yes.  I'm talking about an authoritatively responding server.
[22:27] <pedrocr> apb1963: there's no reason to set an authoritative name server in resolv.conf
[22:28] <pedrocr> apb1963: just set <IP_ADDRESS> or something like that in resolv.conf and that will call your name server in the few cases it needs resolution for your domain
[22:28] <Guest53> TJ-: Thanks for the help! But I think I might just stick with Windows for the TV
[22:29] <apb1963> pedrocr, Maybe it's just me, but to go to another name server so that it can call your own name server, doesn't seem the most efficient way of handling it.
[22:31] <pedrocr> apb1963: what's inefficient about it? if you're worried about the roundtrips to google those are very short, and what you're doing, as you've found out, is a much more complex thing to setup and configure
[22:31] <apb1963> pedrocr, IMHO, calling my local name server first to see if it resolves is the "natural" order of things.
[22:31] <pedrocr> apb1963: you're reinventing the wheel and complaining that ubuntu doesn't make it easier to do
[22:32] <pedrocr> apb1963: but by all means, just uninstall resolv.conf and set /etc/resolv.conf manually
[22:32] <pedrocr> apb1963: it will probably work
[22:32] <apb1963> pedrocr, It's clear you can't help me.    If that translate to something else in your language, I'm sorry.
[22:34] <Yuji> TJ-: It appears to have worked. I'll have to verify the filesystem after the installation is done. Or I've lost another 2TB-filled drive to an accident...again. (That's what happened the last time I tried figuring this out). :P
[22:35] <TJ-> Yuji: which "it" is making it work?
[22:35] <Yuji> TJ-: Ah my bad. The edited grub quirk insert. :)
[22:36] <TJ-> oh, quirks=xxx:yyyy:u ?
[22:36] <Yuji> TJ-: Trying now to determine a username convention.. firstInitialLastName or name.name (preferred but Ubuntu has hated that forever it seems).
[22:36] <Yuji> TJ-: Yes. :)
[22:36] <TJ-> Yuji: right, if you can report a bug about that we can see about getting it into the kernel upstream and into Ubuntu
[22:36] <TJ-> !bug | Yuji
[22:36] <nacc> Yuji: name.name is a bad idea, IMO -- you're going to make it hard to grep etc., do to '.' matching any character
[22:37] <Yuji> TJ-: If this works, of course. :)
[22:37] <Yuji> nacc: I'm familiar with grep and regex.
[22:37] <Yuji> nacc: I still quite prefer it. :)
[22:37] <Yuji> nacc: But the note is most appreciated. :)
[22:37]  * TJ- breaks Yuji's policy instantly; can't fit a dot between T and J :p
[22:38] <Yuji> TJ-: Oh?
[22:38] <Yuji> TJ-: :D
[22:38] <Yuji> TJ-: It definitely appears to be working now. I'll do another reinstall after this to verify it. If it works, what package name would I use?
[22:40] <apb1963> TJ-, I'm not 100% certain, but avahi-daemon may not be overwriting considering I found this in its conf file: #publish-resolv-conf-dns-servers=yes
[22:40] <TJ-> Yuji: "linux"
[22:40] <Yuji> TJ-: Ah good. :)
[22:40] <SecurityIntel> Hey all, I have an encrypted HD, and I want to install on another HD windows (on a non encrypted drive) can I install windows without breaking grub on the "main" HD?
[22:41] <TJ-> Yuji: make sure you specify the USB Vendor:Device ID of the storage unit :)
[22:41] <Yuji> TJ-: Of course. :) Very important.
[22:41] <TJ-> Yuji: you'd be surprised how often reports leave off the vital info
[22:42] <TJ-> SecurityIntel: If you rely on the system firmware to choose the boot device, or it's an UEFI system, that should not be a problem
[22:42] <Yuji> TJ-: I've read quite a few reports and I've been surprised myself about how many would be so vague. :)
[22:43] <alexey_> quit
[22:44] <Yuji> TJ-: Is there any particular command to see a list of the quirks defined for a device in particular?
[22:45] <TJ-> Yuji: no, you need to look at the module source-code; I linked it to you earlier
[22:46] <Yuji> TJ-: I meant on a live system, any that are manually specified.
[22:47] <Yuji> TJ-: Such as if I had one at grub, the ability to list that (without knowing I had done it).
[22:47] <Yuji> TJ-: Specifically without reviewing source.
[22:47] <mars> hello guys:)
[22:48] <TJ-> Yuji: quirks are internal to the source code; that's where they are documented
[22:49] <Yuji> TJ-: There are multiple ways to specify a quirk, for devices not yet added into source code. One example would be grub, another would be if someone manually modprobed. I was hoping to see if I could get a 'current list of quirks' for the manually specified. I'll try and hunt around for this.
[22:51] <gambl0re> hello?
[22:52] <gambl0re> for some reason the color on my screen looks off. at certain times it looks as if you're looking at the screen at an angle but this is when im looking directly straight at the screen
[22:52] <gambl0re> do i need to calibrate my laptop display?
[22:53] <Yuji> gambl0re: Some drivers in Windows install color profiles when pre-loaded from a manufacturer. If one switches operating systems, they may not have brought their color profile with them, so things might not appear the same. This may or may not be what you're seeing.
[22:54] <Yuji> gambl0re: I had the particular issue I described with an HP business-class laptop back in the day.
[22:54] <gambl0re> yuji?
[22:54] <vook> Any ideas when CVE-2017-5715 and CVE-2017-5753 (Spectre 1 and 2) are expected to be resolved?  I'm weighing whether I should update my hypervisors now to 4.4.0-108 or if I should wait a bit longer (non-public systems).
[22:54] <Yuji> gambl0re: Yes?
[22:54] <gambl0re> i have a japanese friend named yuji. are you japanese?
[22:54] <gambl0re> do you happen to live in tokyo?
[22:54] <Yuji> gambl0re: Ah no, not Tokyo. :) Nor Kyoto.
[22:55] <gambl0re> ok so you are not my friend then...
[22:55] <gambl0re> so what do i do to fix my screen issue?
[22:55] <nacc> !kpti > vook
[22:55] <nacc> vook: further questions in #ubuntu-hardened, please
[22:56] <TJ-> Yuji: youd find the quirk types in the source-code, in userspace they are combined with the vendor:device ID and passed to usb-storage. Once kernel dev's are aware of a device requiring the quirk it is incorporated into the source, at which point no userspace action is required. So a list would be forever out-of-date
[22:57] <Yuji> TJ-: I understand that...it isn't what I was asking about. I'm asking about run-time. Such as an ls-usbquirks command to list any quirks being used by any devices currently, including the ones I've manually specified. It's alright, I'll just tinker with some stuff to find out.
[22:58] <TJ-> Yuji: oh! if there were it'd be revealed via sysfs
[22:59] <nerd8622> hi
[22:59] <Yuji> TJ-: cat /sys/module/usb_storage/parameters/quirks
[22:59] <Yuji> TJ-: That works.
[23:00] <TJ-> Yuji: that's it
[23:02] <Yuji> TJ-: The reason for needing that is to see a list of currently running so that I can verify a conf I create successfully tells usb-storage to load the quirk.
[23:02] <TJ-> Yuji: i realised that once I figured out what you were asking :p
[23:03] <Yuji> TJ-: Yeah. The fresh install may not load itself correctly unless I can get the conf working right, since it isn't in module source already.
[23:03] <Yuji> TJ-: So I'm hoping I can specify it, check and see before wasting time setting up a desktop when it could keel over any second.
[23:10] <TheNH813> Akonadi Server Self Test fails. Control process and server process not registered at D-Bus, no resource agents found, no server log found. Using Kubuntu 14.04.
[23:10] <TheNH813> Any suggestions where to start troubleshooting?
[23:10] <TheNH813> I just want to use KMail.
[23:13] <Sveta> TheNH813: what user are you running kmail with?
[23:14] <TheNH813> My regular user account. I just finished installing Kubuntu yesterday.
[23:15] <TheNH813> It's named "administrator" as I always name it and UID 1000.
[23:15] <TheNH813> Does the akonadi server need to be started as root?
[23:16] <Sveta> Ok, thanks, nice to know. What do you see in "settings -> advanced -> kde resources"? Do yuo have an akonadi resource for contacts and one for the calendar?
[23:17] <TheNH813> Let me check.
[23:18] <TheNH813> Settings on KMail or Akonadi server?
[23:19] <dragosdrgm12> hi
[23:20] <dragosdrgm12> help me please
[23:20] <dragosdrgm12> i learn ubuntu
[23:20] <TheNH813> What do you need help with in specific?
[23:20] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: please just ask a support questionn, if you have oe.
[23:20] <dragosdrgm12> and i don't understand at ssh connection.
[23:21] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: what don't you understand? how ssh works? what ssh is? etc/
[23:21] <TheNH813> What are you trying to do, connect over ssh or start a ssh server?
[23:21] <dragosdrgm12> yes
[23:21] <TheNH813> So, connect over ssh, or start a server?
[23:21] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: we are giving you choices, 'yes' is an invalid answer.
[23:21] <dragosdrgm12> i don't understand at password
[23:21] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you don't know what a password is?
[23:21] <_KaszpiR_> welcome to ubuntu
[23:21] <TheNH813> You need to enter the password of the account you're logging into when ssh asks for a pssword.
[23:22] <dragosdrgm12> yes and i don't know how to see
[23:22] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: it will not echo the password. That would be insecure.
[23:22] <TheNH813> Just type the password and press enter. IT won't show what you're typing ofr security reasons.
[23:22] <dragosdrgm12> how to see password at anthor computers?
[23:23] <TheNH813> Do you know the password to log into that computer?
[23:23] <dragosdrgm12> no
[23:23] <TheNH813> Well, then you'l need to get it somehow.
[23:23] <TheNH813> Is it your computer?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> yes
[23:24] <TheNH813> Which account?
[23:24] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: and you don't konw the password?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> work on anthor computers?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> no
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> i don't
[23:24] <TheNH813> So, you don't know the username?
[23:24] <dragosdrgm12> username yes
[23:25] <dragosdrgm12> password
[23:25] <TheNH813> Is it the root account?
[23:25] <TheNH813> Because in that case the root account has no remote access credentials.
[23:25] <Sveta> TheNH813: settings -> advanced -> kde resources.
[23:25] <dragosdrgm12> idk i use ubuntu mate and work on pi 3
[23:25] <Sveta> TheNH813: if this does not exist, check akonadi settings.
[23:25] <TJ-> dragosdrgm12: if the username on the remote PC is different to the username on the local PC, you need to do "ssh user@host" where 'user' is the username of the account on the remote PC
[23:25] <Sveta> TheNH813: also, did you try to restart kmail?
[23:25] <TheNH813> Yes.
[23:26] <dragosdrgm12> username i can see with nmap no??
[23:27] <apb1963> pedrocr, The solution (though slightly outdated) that works for me (with minor adjustments) is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OverrideDNSServers - thanks for your attempts, I appreciate you trying to help.
[23:27] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you just said you knew the username.
[23:27] <dragosdrgm12> wait
[23:27] <apb1963> TJ-, Your solution would have been ideal if I were using NM, but having gone off in a different direction, this solution seems to work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OverrideDNSServers
[23:27] <dragosdrgm12> i don't know how to see password for ssh and school pc
[23:28] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you don't see password
[23:28] <mohammad>  linuxlove
[23:28] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: are you trying to hack your school's pc? that is not supported here.
[23:28] <dragosdrgm12> no
[23:28] <apb1963> TJ-, thanks for all your support.  you're the best.
[23:28] <TheNH813_ALT> Well, hold on one second.
[23:28] <dragosdrgm12> i make test security with teach.
[23:30] <dragosdrgm12> because childs enter in dark google and i see and block
[23:31] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you are claiming to be a security ... teacher? but don't know how to ssh?
[23:31] <Yuji> gambl0re: Glad to have been able to help you fix your problem. :)
[23:31] <dragosdrgm12> yes
[23:31] <apb1963> nacc, in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king :)
[23:31] <dragosdrgm12> teach tell me ssh password
[23:31] <TheNH813_ALT_> Okay
[23:32] <TheNH813_ALT_> Or sorry I didn't mean okay to you.
[23:32] <dragosdrgm12> and i understand where he see
[23:32] <nacc> apb1963: it's better to stay blind in this case.
[23:32] <Yuji> apb1963: But there would not be an eyed man in the land of the blind. Only the blind.
[23:32] <dragosdrgm12> in finally how to see ssh password?
[23:33] <apb1963> Yuji, Haven't you ever heard of illegal immigration?
[23:33] <Yuji> apb1963: Yes, when the British went to America and wiped out all the Native Americans.
[23:33] <Sveta> TheNH813: perhaps if you are still stuck, as #kubuntu, they have kde next to them and can say what to click
[23:33] <apb1963> Yuji, not all
[23:34] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: you don't seem to be llistening. You can't see the ssh password on the local machine and it's secured so you don't see it on the remote in plaintext.
[23:34] <nacc> dragosdrgm12: as a security 'teacher', you should undrestand that.
[23:34] <TheNH813> Sveta Okay I'l try that.
[23:34] <TheNH813> Sveta: Would using a VPN interfere with the server in any way?
[23:34] <Sveta> TheNH813: assuming you're using kde (rather than kmail on a non-kde flavour)
[23:34] <Sveta> TheNH813: akonadi uses local servers, I don't think a vpn would affect their work
[23:34] <TheNH813> Okay.
[23:34] <Sveta> TheNH813: but if you're in doubt, switch your vpn off for a second and test
[23:35] <TheNH813> Yeah it did nothing. Definitely wasn't the VPN.
[23:35] <Sveta> great
[23:36] <TheNH813> As a side note, I noticed my IP is logged in the username.
[23:36] <Sveta> now you know at least that :-)
[23:36] <TheNH813> Hm... maybe the database is corrupted. I'l try deleting it.
[23:36] <Sveta> You mean, your vpn username includes the ip?
[23:36] <TheNH813> No, on the irc here. "TheNH813_ALT<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit"
[23:37] <Sveta> The error message does not sound like a corrupted data base. It sounds like something does not exist at all and needs to be added.  If you decide to remove data, make a copy first.
[23:37] <Sveta> Ah, that's not your username. That's your hostname.
[23:37] <TheNH813> Well, the hostname has the ip in it. "<IP_ADDRESS>"
[23:37] <Sveta> Technically, your username there is '~quassel', your nickname is TheNH813, and your hostname is the bit after the @.
[23:37] <TheNH813> Guess that because that account is unregistered.
[23:38] <Sveta> Even if your hostname didn't have the IP spelled out like this, anyone can use `host h69-131-177-131.mdfdwi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net` to find out what the IP is.
[23:38] <TheNH813> True.
[23:38] <Sveta> For example, `host ubuntu.com` also works in the same way.
[23:38] <TheNH813> Maybe D-Bus is what's not working.
[23:38] <Sveta> My account is registered, but my IP still shows. This is because it is IRC.
[23:38] <Sveta> It is normal and does not need any worrying.
[23:38] <TheNH813> Okay.
[23:39] <jk^> hi all... i read thar unrar and unrar-free are just for extract archives and unrar-free just for old archive's formats. Then i think i need rar. I found it both in "Lubuntu Software Center" and in "Package Manager (Synaptci)". Where have i to download it from?
[23:39] <TheNH813> Either would work.
[23:39] <TheNH813> Or use the command "sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree"
[23:39] <Sveta> TheNH813: Since I don't have KDE near me, I can't guide you where to find the 'kde resources' settings. It does need to be under 'System Settings' somewhere. You could type 'akonadi' at the right top corner and see what results it shows.
[23:40] <Sveta> TheNH813: you are using kubuntu (kde), correct?
[23:40] <jk^> *Synaptic
[23:40] <TheNH813> Yup. Kubuntu 14.04. Due to other versions having a driver problem. I  wanted to use fglrx.
[23:40] <Sveta> jk^: try unrar-free first, it does the job in most cases.
[23:40] <Sveta> TheNH813: ok, I've joined #kubuntu now, then.
[23:40] <jk^> (Some typing errors) hi all... i read that unrar and unrar-free are just for extract archives and unrar-free just for old archive's formats. Then i think i need rar. I found it both in "Lubuntu Software Center" and in "Package Manager (Synaptc)". Where have i to download it from?
[23:41] <TheNH813> Sveta: Okay
[23:41] <Sveta> jk^: lubuntu software center and synaptic use the same list of packages to search, often you find the results are the same.
[23:41] <Sveta> jk^: try unrar-free first. Does it work for your .rar files?
[23:42] <jk^> Unrar can extract files from .rar archives. Can't handle some archives in
[23:42] <jk^> the RAR 3.0 format natively. Package "unar" can be used to extract those
[23:42] <jk^> archives if installed.
[23:42] <PTNapivoski> jk^, p7zip-full and p7zip-rar
[23:42] <jk^> !unrar-free
[23:42] <Sveta> jk^: you need to use unrar-free until one day you have a file that does not work.
[23:42] <Sveta> jk^: you do not need to install unrar (non-free) unless this happens.
[23:43] <jk^> ok Sveta
[23:50] <jk^> Sveta, W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_sh' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permesso negato)
[23:51] <PTNapivoski> jk^, wait to use
[23:51] <jk^> why PTNapivoski ?
[23:52] <PTNapivoski> jk^, it seems that apt is being used
[23:52] <PTNapivoski> jk^, that thing happens when other software is beeing updated
[23:52] <Sveta> jk^: you have synaptic and software center open.
[23:53] <Sveta> jk^: close one of them two.
[23:53] <jk^> ok
[23:55] <nightfly> 4.4.0-108 kernel is kernel panicking some of my workstations. Any plans on another release soon?
[23:55] <nightfly> (4.4.0-108.131)


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[16:13] <sing> i eat n00bs for breakfast.
[17:04] <sing> hey egyDev, i need some help.
[17:04] <sing> hey elacheche , i need some help.
[17:10] <elacheche> sing, how can I help
[17:13] <sing> i can't install ubuntu on a uefi system
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[09:37] <Kano> apw: is rc3 compiling already?
[09:41] <apw> Kano, very likely, they are completly automated, i don't start them
[09:42] <Kano> well the tag was 6h ago...
[09:42] <apw> yep and they are built daily at about 9am UTC
[09:42] <apw> that is when build resources are available
[09:43] <Kano> ah
[09:43] <Kano> is the build script available?
[09:44] <apw> yep in the kteam-tools git repository on zinc
[09:44] <Kano> zinc?
[09:45] <apw> kernel.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <Kano> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/kteam-tools.git;a=summary
[09:45] <Kano> those then
[09:45] <apw> quite why you need them so urgently however is beyond me
[10:19] <darren> g'day people, I think I have a kernel bug, and reading the kernel bug reporting process it says to test the "latest development Ubuntu kernel version", but I'm not sure what and where that is, anyone able to help?
[10:21] <smb> darren, That would currently mean, is that bug still in the Natty kernel.
[10:22] <smb> Which is a 2.6.38 based one. If it is simple to reproduce/test you may use a life cd or usb stick
[10:23] <darren> yes but what is it, is it a package I can find somewhere is it a tag in a git tree somewhere ?
[10:24] <darren> or is a snapshot of the latest live cd the only way to get it ?
[10:25] <smb> The kernel on its own is a package: So you can get it from the archive, launchpad (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory) or the right git tree (git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git)
[10:26] <smb> Currently the latest Natty kernel is: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux/2.6.38-1.28
[10:26] <darren> Cool thanks.
[10:27] <darren> also will I have any problems running a Natty kernel on Maverick ?
[10:29] <smb> One cannot completely say no, but afaik there are people doing that already. But I would not say that you will not have any problems.
[10:31] <darren> ok so it can work but might not.
[10:32] <smb> right. I don't know of any problems yet but there might be. X could have some dependencies unknown or there have been LVM userspace problems in the past with Hardy
[10:37] <smb> darren, One thing to keep in mind is to install linux-headers*all*, linux-headers-*<your flavour (like generic)>* and linux-image-*<your flavour>* together. That way you have the headers required for any dkms packages (for example the ati or nvidia binary drviers)
[10:37] <darren> hmm ok
[10:39] <darren> also before I spend too much time playing with this. When I got the latest maveric kernel my network card stopped working, but when I boot into the older 2.6.35-24 kernel it seems to work fine. Is there anything else that changes when I choose a different kernel from the grub list that I should look at ? or is the kernel the only thing that will be different?
[10:41] <smb> darren, Mainly the kernel. But there are a few things depending on it: like the initrd or if you have installed backports modules those need to go along
[10:42] <smb> one things to check would be whether your network card's module came from backports. "modinfo <module>" shows the path it comes from
[10:45] <darren> so if it is a backport the filename: will have backports somewhere in the path ?
[10:46] <smb> Unfortunately not but it will have an "update(s)" in it instead of "kernel"
[10:46]  * smb cannot remember whether it was update or updates
[10:47] <darren> well I can't see either, so I guess it is not a backport
[10:49] <smb> right, so it sounds like this is a regression in the last update.
[10:49] <apw> for regressions in updates we are most keen to know which version you had before
[10:49] <smb> (in the bug report)
[10:50] <apw> darren, sounds like we need a bug against 'linux' and when answering say its a 'regression-update'
[10:50] <apw> run ubuntu-bug linux, that will ask you about the issue including if it is a regression
[10:52] <darren> should I try the natty daily build before submitting a bug ?
[10:52] <apw> darren, i would get the bug filed as you want to be running the broken kernel if possible
[10:54] <darren> "want to be running the broken kernel" well I can run it, but can't submit the bug from it because I can't network
[10:54] <apw> darren, well indeed depends if you have another option, for example i have wireless and wired on most of mine
[10:55] <apw> if you can't you can't
[10:55] <apw> then file it aginst the last working one, and add dmesg at least from the broken one
[10:55] <apw> and say very clearly you are in the working one
[11:00] <bdrung> was v4l removed from the natty kernel?
[11:04] <darren> ok thanks for the help guys
[11:05] <RAOF> bdrung: Yes.
[11:05] <RAOF> bdrung: Or, rather, it's removed upstream, so it's removed in the natty kernel.
[11:05] <bdrung> RAOF: that explains why the v4l plugin of vlc wasn't build
[11:06] <RAOF> Indeed it does.  Also, why xserver-xorg-video-geode FTBFS.
[12:11] <boban_> im having problems with PAE kernels
[12:11] <boban_> anyone to help me reporting bugs?
[12:12] <boban_> I have HP Probook 4520s with 4GB of RAM
[12:13] <boban_> System normaly goes to suspend to ram
[12:13] <boban_> but when i try to power it up, it starts up as it was powered off
[12:13] <boban_> any sugestions?
[12:16] <boban_> any1?
[12:33] <diwic> boban_, for reporting bugs, try the "ubuntu-bug linux" terminal command
[12:33] <boban_> i see
[12:33] <diwic> boban_, is it only happening with the PAE kernel?
[12:34] <boban_> but the isue is only for .37 and .38 PAE kernels
[12:34] <diwic> boban_, I have a 4520s with 3GB here and haven't experienced the problem you're described.
[12:34] <boban_> i see
[12:34] <diwic> boban_, but then I haven't tried the PAE kernel, only i386-generic and amd64
[12:34] <boban_> Issue is only with .37 PAE kernel
[12:34] <boban_> i386 and amd64 works just fine
[12:35] <diwic> boban_, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend for some initial instructions
[12:35] <boban_> i have read those pages
[12:35] <diwic> and see if you get something fun out of it
[12:35] <diwic> ok
[12:35] <boban_> i might just fill bug
[12:35] <diwic> ok
[12:35] <boban_> thank u anyway
[12:42] <Kano> has anybody a fix for fglrx + 38rc3?
[14:23] <apw> herton, yay ...
[14:23] <herton> hello guys
[14:24] <JFo> hi herton :)
[14:37] <apw> commit 5ef41308f94dcbb3b7afc56cdef1c2ba53fa5d2f
[14:37] <apw> Author: Dan Rosenberg<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:37] <apw> Date:   Fri Nov 12 12:44:42 2010 -0800
[14:37] <apw>     x25: Prevent crashing when parsing bad X.25 facilities
[14:46] <charlie-tca> JFo: any bugs in particular for the KernelBugDay?
[14:47] <JFo> charlie-tca, looking at bugs in the New state today
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will look too, then
[14:47] <JFo> mainly interested in making sure they reflect the apropriate status
[14:47] <JFo> Thank you sir :)
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[14:50] <tgardner> herton, what is you Launchpad ID. I need to add you to some teams.
[15:00] <herton> tgardner: herton
[15:23] <sforshee> bzr branch lp:~utouch-team/utouch/ntrig-calibrator
[15:23] <sforshee> apw: ^
[15:24] <apw> apw@dm$ bzr push lp:~apw/utouch/ntrig-calibrator
[15:24] <apw> Created new branch.
[15:50] <bjf> herton, welcome
[15:59] <herton> thanks brad
[16:00] <bjf> ##
[16:00] <bjf> ## Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[16:00] <bjf> ##      agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[16:00] <bjf> ##
[16:09] <sconklin> https://kernel-tools.canonical.com/srus.html
[16:26] <quup> hi, when I try to follow this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile I get
[16:26] <quup> $ debian/rules updateconfigs
[16:26] <quup> dh_testdir;
[16:26] <quup> dh_testdir: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory
[16:27] <quup> is there some way to fix this?
[16:28] <tgardner> quup, do 'debian/rules clean' first
[16:30] <bjf> quup, you could try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[16:31] <quup> bjf: oh that looks a bit more up to date
[16:32] <bjf> JFo, you will be attending the meeting ?
[16:32] <JFo> yessir
[16:34] <JFo> bjf, need me to do anything special?
[16:34] <bjf> JFo, nope
[16:34] <JFo> k
[16:51] <bjf> ##
[16:51] <bjf> ## Kernel team meeting in 10 minutes
[16:51] <bjf> ##
[16:52]  * JFo is ready
[17:26] <bjf> JFo, your meeting report "Release Metrics", the "Lucid Updates Bugs" line is missing the trailing "[17:26] <JFo> gah, sorry about that bjf
[17:26]  * JFo fixes
[17:26] <bjf> np
[17:28] <bjf> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0037H9P4A/ref=oss_product   the essential kernel team debugging tool !
[17:28] <JFo> oooh
[17:28] <JFo> I was thinking it was a pitcher :)
[17:33] <JFo> bjf, we need one of these http://www.kegclub.com/
[17:33] <bjf> HEHE
[17:41] <rtdos> just curious: is there a reason there has been more of a significant increase in system requirements in recent releases of ubuntu than in previous versions?
[17:43] <apw> kees, how often do you merge back the kernel cve traacker?  all my pages seem to be at least days out of date
[17:43] <kees> apw: I can do it now, one sec.
[17:45] <tgardner> apw, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/linux.html
[17:45] <kees> active/CVE-2010-3699: bad line '	The vulnerability described by CVE-2010-3699 probably exists, but I've' (need more than 1 value to unpack)
[17:45] <ubot2> kees: The backend driver in Xen 3.x allows guest OS users to cause a denial of service via a kernel thread leak, which prevents the device and guest OS from being shut down or create a zombie domain, causes a hang in zenwatch, or prevents unspecified xm commands from working properly, related to (1) netback, (2) blkback, or (3) blktap. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3699)
[17:45] <ubot2> kees: The backend driver in Xen 3.x allows guest OS users to cause a denial of service via a kernel thread leak, which prevents the device and guest OS from being shut down or create a zombie domain, causes a hang in zenwatch, or prevents unspecified xm commands from working properly, related to (1) netback, (2) blkback, or (3) blktap. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2010-3699)
[17:45] <kees> you can't use tabs. :P
[17:45] <kees> it's a single space there...
[17:46] <kees> (do you use "check-syntax" before committing?)
[17:46] <kees> also, "Ubuntu-Description" is literally for the USN. anything else should go in Notes
[17:47] <kees> tgardner: ^^
[17:47] <tgardner> kees, egads
[17:48] <apw> tgardner, but it is so easy to use
[17:48] <tgardner> apw, indeed
[17:50] <kees> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/linux.html should be updated
[18:11] <JFo> <-need food
[18:59]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:16] <bjf> JFo, the script that generates: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/jfo/kernel-buglist-by-team.html is that checked in somewhere ?
[19:18] <JFo> yessir
[19:19] <JFo> one sec
[19:19] <JFo> bjf https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-qa/canonical-qa-tracking/main
[19:19] <JFo> it is in the misc-scripts dir
[19:23] <bjf> JFo, which script is it in that directory ?
[19:24] <JFo> it is a pair of them
[19:24] <JFo> KernelBugListByTeam.py and kernel-buglist-by-team.py
[19:25] <JFo> they are mainly copies of Leann's script changed to create this current list
[19:25] <JFo> script/scripts
[19:26] <bjf> JFo, thanks
[19:26] <JFo> my pleasure
[19:36] <kees> tgardner: since we're not doing security updates of the arm flavors, can I mark all the arm flavors on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/ABIPackages as "abandoned"? I'm trying to find a way to represent reality, etc.
[19:37] <tgardner> kees, works for me. I'm not gonna bother with ARM unless someone hollers.
[19:37] <kees> okay, cool
[19:38] <kees> tgardner: can we move ti-omap4 into universe for natty?
[19:38] <tgardner> kees, in fact, we ought to since its not directly supported by the kernel team.
[19:39] <tgardner> I also don't think anyone is making images from it, but I'd have to ask ogra for sure
[19:39] <ogra> huh ?
[19:39] <tgardner> ogra, kees wants to move ti-omap4 into universe
[19:39] <kees> tgardner: oh, and should I do this for linux-lts-backport-maverick too? it's not been published for -security either
[19:39] <ogra> we surely make omap4 images
[19:40] <ogra> thats our omap4 kernel, yeah
[19:40] <tgardner> kees, linux-lts-backport-maverick is officially supported and is on the 10.04.2 point release
[19:40] <ogra> what makes you want to move it to universe ?
[19:40] <ogra> its the official omap4 kernel
[19:40] <tgardner> ogra, its not getting any security updates.
[19:41] <ogra> why ?
[19:41] <kees> tgardner: ah, when will it be respun for security updates?
[19:41] <ogra> we are paid for providing them
[19:41] <tgardner> kees, as soon as maverick gets promoted it'll have all the goodness in it.
[19:41] <kees> tgardner: 2.6.35-25.44 ? it's in -security now.
[19:41] <ogra> omap4 is 18 months fully supported
[19:42] <tgardner> ogra, why is it nobody tells me this stuff?
[19:42] <ogra> tgardner, no idea
[19:42] <ogra> i thought pete knew about that
[19:42] <tgardner> ogra, cooleney has been doing the ti-omap4 maintenence
[19:43] <ogra> that didnt change
[19:43] <tgardner> ogra, well, _he_ hasn'
[19:43] <ogra> he still does it for natty
[19:43] <tgardner> ogra, he hasn't been doing security updates.
[19:43] <ogra> he is responsible for getting the ubuntu sauce on top of the linaro tree we will get now
[19:44] <ogra> since that task was moved away from the kernel team
[19:44] <tgardner> kees, well, I guess ti-omap4 stays in main.
[19:44] <ogra> tgardner, well, i dont know who should do them but i'm sure we have to do them
[19:44] <ogra> i guess thats something pete and david should discuss somehow ;)
[19:45] <kees> tgardner: ah, so, then, what about CVEs on the maverick ti-omap4?
[19:45] <tgardner> ogra, yep. if you want security support, then it needs to get on our list of things to do
[19:45] <ogra> kees, i guess easiest would be if cooloney added the patches
[19:45] <kees> tgardner, ogra: okay, so you guys will get that branch included in the cadence process?
[19:45] <ogra> since he maintained the packages
[19:46] <ogra> but that needs to be sorted out on management level
[19:46] <tgardner> kees, lemme take it up with pgraner. we're pretty short staffed.
[19:47] <ogra> i think cooloney is the right person but i dont think where thats located resource wise
[19:47] <ogra> so needs top level discussion first
[19:47] <tgardner> cooloney is out for a couple of weeks
[19:47] <ogra> i really dont get why that hasnt heppened already
[19:47] <tgardner> ogra, too much to do, not enough people
[19:48] <Q-FUNK> hi! what was the URL to the team's repository of stock vanilla kernels, again?  I need to test a 2.6.38 against what's in natty, just to make sure we don't have a regression.
[19:48] <ogra> tgardner, i mean the assignment of the work
[19:49] <ogra> to one of the teams
[19:55] <tgardner> kees, the LTS maverick backport is built in the c-k-t PPA. its ready to be copied to -security
[19:55] <kees> tgardner: doesn't it have to go through QA?
[19:55] <tgardner> kees, they don't test anything but Maverick and Natty.
[19:56] <tgardner> and occaisionally Lucid when we ask real nice
[19:56] <kees> tgardner: pitti won't pocket-copy without QA sign off. they need to do the testing...
[19:56] <tgardner> then thas gonna be a real problem.
[19:57] <JFo> Q-FUNK, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:57] <kees> this is my point from last friday. :P
[20:13]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:34] <apw> skaet, forgot to mention i did the updates to the release page for kernel
[20:34] <skaet> Thanks apw!
[20:38] <JFo> apw, tgardner pgraner what packages do you want duplicate detection turned off for per bdmurray's e-mail?
[20:41] <pgraner> JFo, didn't get an email
[20:42] <JFo> went to kernel-team
[20:42] <tgardner> JFo, likely just linux for now. lets see how well it works.
[20:42] <JFo> sorry should have specified
[20:42] <JFo> tgardner, my thinking as well
[20:42] <pgraner> JFo, +1
[20:43] <JFo> k
[20:47]  * apw concurs for what it is worth
[20:48] <JFo> k, thanks apw
[21:05]  * apw_ notes that upgrading right now is a huge mistake ... unity core dumps
[21:09] <JFo> :-/
[21:38] <apw_> sounds like they may have just found it
[21:45] <kamal> what's the tool that submits email pull-requests to the kernel-team list?  the thing that creates messages e.g. "The following changes since commit ... are available in the git repository at ..." ?
[21:49] <jjohansen> git request-pull
[21:49] <kamal> answer: git request-pull
[21:49] <kamal> jjohansen: :-) thanks ;-)
[21:49] <jjohansen> hehe :)
[21:52] <bdmurray> JFo: I can update bugs tagged regression-proposed to regression-update for you
[21:54] <JFo> well, not all of them will be bdmurray
[21:58] <JFo> sorry, got pulled away on a phone call


[01:45] <Mike41> exit
[01:45] <Mike41> heh
[16:54] <Amitari> Hey, anyone who can help me with my Xbox One controller?
[17:00] <Amitari> When I plug it in, nothing happens, from what I understand from the quick-start guide, it's supposed to light up automatically, which it doesn't. If I hold down the Xbox button for 3 seconds, as it says I should do when I connect it to an Xbox One, it blinks 2 times, and then one time slowly. If I just push it, it blinks for a while.
[17:00] <Amitari> If I do lsusb, there's a device that says "Microsoft corp.", so the computer recognizes it on some level.
[17:01] <Amitari> Shit, I just noticed that I only have Kernel 3.13, is it possible to upgrade without having to reinstall the OS?
[17:06] <Amitari> Uh, I think I got it now.
[17:06] <Amitari> Thanks anyways!
[19:30] <Amitari> Can anyone help me with Steam?
[21:06] <darkdot> hello gentlemen I'm looking to get some help with a static IP, can't seem to get it to work.
[21:13] <teward> darkdot: what have you done so far to test it and configure it?
[21:15] <darkdot> i tried the graphical network tool, that didn't work so I removed it, then tried editing the network interfaces but that doesn't work
[21:16] <darkdot> it shows the right information at ifconfig but doesn't connect to the internet
[21:17] <genii> If you manually set your IP you should also manually set your DNS
[21:26] <teward> and the gateway
[21:26] <teward> and netmask
[21:36] <darkdot> i did the ip, the mask and gateway
[21:38] <genii> darkdot: Can you ping <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[21:39] <darkdot> no
[21:41] <genii> So then either the info you set for IP, netmask and gateway is incorrect, or there is no connection to the internet from the machine
[21:41] <genii> ( or the adapter is not active)


[19:23] <zequence> micahg: Thanks. That would be great.
[19:23] <zequence> We just need to decide what should be backported. I'm sure there are a bunch of things.
[19:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think it would be ok for us to have a PPA, but not in a way that it would be a default source
[19:25] <zequence> I'm 50/50 on having that as an easy option from a graphical tool, such as -controls
[19:25] <zequence> Depends on what the PPA ends up being
[19:25] <zequence> Bug fixes should always be done in main archives
[19:26] <zequence> And, backports will affect not only Ubuntu Studio, but all Ubuntu
[19:42] <OvenWerks> zequence: I agree. Maybe PPA first for testing and quick release followed by backport... Not that we move quick on anything.


[02:57] <MutantTurkey> feeling pretty bored
[02:57] <MutantTurkey> I need a good project
[11:05] <rmg51> Morning
[11:15] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:17] <rmg51> o/
[12:59] <InHisName> morning all
[13:07] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:24] <Resistance> 'tis freaking COLD outside!
[13:24] <Resistance> *BRRRRRR*
[13:33] <Resistance> morning people
[14:11] <JonathanD> Morning.
[14:14] <ChinnoDog> hi peeps
[14:16]  * Resistance pours himself the 4th cup of coffee he's had in the past 2 hours
[14:22]  * InHisName is still coffee free
[14:26] <Resistance> i was up until 4AM last night coding, so i should technically still be sleeping :/
[14:47] <ChinnoDog> You could save a lot of time if you could learn to code in your sleep
[14:49] <EvilResistance> true, but i had to finish a debian/install thingy
[14:49] <EvilResistance> and it was a HUGE install file
[14:49]  * EvilResistance needed to get it done so he wouldnt have to do it today
[14:49] <EvilResistance> and then the EVIL GOD-FORSAKEN SNOW had to fall
[14:50] <EvilResistance> so I had to get up AT 6 AM TODAY in order to shovel and salt
[14:50]  * EvilResistance is not pleased
[14:54] <InHisName> Snow ?  I don't see any snow.
[14:55] <InHisName> Even if I look outside, still don't
[14:55]  * EvilResistance telemoves InHisName over to Pittsburgh, PA, then leaves him outside in the cold
[14:55] <EvilResistance> 'TIS SNOW!
[14:55]  * InHisName brrr, that's not nice to him
[14:56]  * EvilResistance telemoves InHisName back to where InHisName originally was
[14:56] <InHisName> Where do I d/l that nifty program, EvilResistance !
[14:56] <EvilResistance> the telemover?
[14:57] <EvilResistance> it costs $500000 and requires an antimatter power generator
[14:57] <EvilResistance> so this thing's about to explode :P
[14:57] <InHisName> Ok, I'll pass for now.    How about that snow maker ?
[14:58] <EvilResistance> *retreats to the explosion proof bunker*
[14:58] <EvilResistance> *BOOM*
[14:58] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  the snow maker was nature :P
[14:58] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  nature created this snow :P
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> I don't think bunkers can be explosion proof
[14:58] <ChinnoDog> maybe explosion resistant
[14:58] <EvilResistance> ChinnoDog:  good point, but if they're far enough underground... :P
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> If the explosion is big enough...
[14:59] <EvilResistance> ChinnoDog:  such explosions would be created by huge asteroids :P
[14:59] <InHisName> Yes, but could Evil Resist ?
[14:59] <ChinnoDog> That is one possible scenario
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> Hopefull your bunker can withstand an antimatter explosion
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> hopefully
[15:02] <EvilResistance> :P
[15:37] <morecheese> jsut found a unix book from 1983
[15:37] <morecheese> "Introducing the UNIX System"
[15:45] <morecheese> http://www.amazon.com/Introducing-McGraw-Hill-software-computer-professionals/dp/0070450013
[15:45] <morecheese> be jealous
[15:51]  * InHisName is not jealous, got too many of those 'old-fashioned' books already.
[15:53] <InHisName> check the used category:  $0.01 to $0.22 for a whole lotta of them.   Not much resale value, just like most of my oldies too.
[17:14] <morecheese> wasnt planning on reselling. was gonna frame :p
[17:14] <morecheese> so, ubuntu 10.04, top and bottom default toolbars/docks disappear. what should i do first?
[17:15] <morecheese> in windows id restart explorer.exe
[17:16] <morecheese> nvm they came back
[17:16] <morecheese> they missed me
[17:17]  * morecheese hugs his gnome2.
[17:31] <rmg51> xfce4
[17:48]  * InHisName dares to 'hug' unity
[17:48] <jedijf> young, sleek, jedijf is all over unity
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> Anyone a member of this? http://www.acm.org/
[18:39] <pleia2> yes
[18:39] <pleia2> that and ieee are the two big professional tech orgs
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> Really? I have never even heard of it
[18:53] <ChinnoDog> Where have I been?
[18:53]  * ChinnoDog crawls out from under rock
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> I should join. I am drooling at their online resources.
[23:27] <ChinnoDog> ok, I did join
[23:41] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble


[07:32] <bts3685|vps> jedijf: i miss having a good LUG
[10:50] <InHisName> pleia2 already does virtual road trips all the time
[15:23] <jedijf> taking de/wm suggestions for my Arch install...thinking gnome3 to compare to Unity, but all suggestions are welcome
[17:59] <InHisName> jedijf: are you leaving ubuntu for Arch ?
[20:05] <bts3685|vps> jedijf: i'm still using gnome2 for work stuff, but try giving awesome/awm a spin. it's kind of neat. only rough thing is if you make any changes to display, etc. youhave to restart the session i think
[20:06] <bts3685|vps> it's almost entirely keyboard-driven though. like a modernized easier ratpoison (it uses lua language for the configs)


[05:04] <knet22> hello
[05:38] <bynarie> knet22,
[05:40] <knet22> hello bynarie
[05:44] <bynarie> hey
[05:44] <bynarie> did you need some help on ubuntu?
[05:45] <bynarie> or an opinion
[05:47] <knet22> bynarie: no, thanks, this vivid is great
[05:47] <bynarie> oh your running 15.04?
[05:48] <knet22> yes
[05:48] <knet22> upgraded from 14.10
[05:48] <bynarie> i believe its just 14.10 with some added features
[05:48] <knet22> yea
[05:48] <bynarie> is it running fast for you?
[05:48] <bynarie> im on 14.10
[05:48] <knet22> yea fast
[05:49] <bynarie> i might have to give it a try
[05:49] <knet22> i have only a problem
[05:49] <bynarie> actually i remember what happened... i DID have it, but i couldnt get a lot of the repos to work
[05:49] <knet22> with the kernel
[05:50] <knet22> i need to start .25 for booting
[05:50] <knet22> not .26
[05:50] <bynarie> u dont know how to change it?
[05:51] <knet22> yes i can boot the .25
[05:51] <knet22> not a real problem
[05:52] <knet22> it freeze only with 26
[05:52] <bynarie> oh
[05:52] <bynarie> hm
[05:52] <bynarie> thats odd
[05:53] <knet22> *freezes
[05:53] <bynarie> which kernel exactly?
[05:53] <bynarie> 3.14
[05:53] <bynarie> ?
[05:54] <knet22> 3.16.0-26
[05:54] <bynarie> oh ok
[05:54] <bynarie> i would just install 3.17.4 and do away with both 3.16
[05:55] <knet22> ubuntu official kernel?
[05:55] <knet22> why 3.17.4?
[05:56] <bynarie> 3.17.4 is just the most recent stable kernel
[05:56] <bynarie> yea official ubuntu kernel
[13:19] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning all
[14:52] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[18:03] <rainbowwarrior> hello , anyone know where to get skype 6.2 or install skype 6.2 for ubuntu 15.04 please ?


[02:56] <lolzadam> When I try to run '/opt/upstart/sbin/init --debug </dev/console >/dev/console' I get 'init: Not being executed as init'
[03:05] <lolzadam> Ah... Forgot the 'exec' in front of that. OK so I compiled this with a live CD and with the root fs mounted. The config directory is reflecting the mount point.
[03:16] <lolzadam> How can I change the main config directory?


[20:10] <roofy> okay i have my httpd loaded on paint-perfection.com
[20:11] <roofy> what is httpd-vhost.conf?
[20:11] <sarnold> because IPs are expensive, it's common to have one server host many websites
[20:11] <sarnold> that's done through a process known as "vhosts"
[20:16] <roofy> sarnold, so to get an ssl certificate we put the configuration under httpd-ssl.conf
[20:17] <sarnold> roofy: I don't know much about the tls end of the world -- are you using letsencrypt or something expensive? :)
[20:17] <tomreyn> roofy: as i'm sure we've told you a couple times before, the #ubuntu* channels are all about Ubuntu.
[20:18] <roofy> okay sorry is there a server channel on libera?
[20:18] <sarnold> tomreyn: configuring apache web server on ubuntu sounds in-bounds to me
[20:19] <tomreyn> sarnold: sure. none of these files exist on ubuntu, though, and i don't rmemeber roofy ever asking questions about software running on an ubuntu system
[20:19] <tomreyn> !alis | roofy
[20:19] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh :) I've not used apache in ages.. hah
[20:20] <tomreyn> :)
[20:20] <roofy> sarnold, what do you use
[20:20] <sarnold> roofy: nginx, I found it way easier to configure
[20:20] <sarnold> the apache docs are better
[20:20] <sarnold> but I find nginx makes a lot more sense to me :)


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[23:45] <Al3j4ndr0> spanish
[23:45] <Al3j4ndr0> ?
[23:45] <k1l> !es  | Al3j4ndr0
[23:48] <jason1> kite runners
[23:52] <jason1> My connection keeps disconnecting.
[23:52] <mamece2> hi there, i have a question whose answer is not in google
[23:53] <mikael> Anyone here?
[23:53] <jason1> yes
[23:53] <mamece2> Can someone help me with the online account, Im using Unity, i need to sync the google calendar. When i go to online account settings i have nothing to add
[23:54] <jason1> use paper
[23:54] <k1l> jason1: that is not helpful. please dont do that
[23:54] <mamece2> in online account i just have this message "there are currently no  account provuiders available which integrate with this application"
[23:54] <mikael> I have just installed windows in virtualbox, and has dedicated 25GB (recomended) for it. If I install a software in windows, will that use the dedicated space?
[23:56] <mikael> And can I install drivers etc. The screen resolution is wrong, and I believe it's running on the standard driver
[23:57] <mamece2> please help. in online account i just have this message "there are currently no  account providers available which integrate with this application"
[23:59] <mikael> Nothing?


[05:17] <memguy> I am wondering now that i got the general process of most of the different version controls down , and terminology /structure of the repo's....I have a question related to project hosting websites and web based revision control software
[05:20] <memguy> The question is 1) is behind the scenes when one signs up with things like savannah , sourceforge , launchpad , codeplex, cloudforge , bitbucket , gitorious ,...etc are they all storing the projects in a revision control software behind the scenes like cvs,svn,git.hg, bazzar,..etc
[05:24] <memguy> 2) I just recently realized that web based version controls work much in the same way as  command line cvs ,svn,..etc. So i am kind of wondering when i reach a website repo how to relate it back to the command line . i.e say i go to cvs web viewer site  can i just uses the url i am at as the repo   and do a command line cvs -qd whatshouldbehere get -P src
[05:25] <memguy> I guess i am trying to just by going to a web repo site finding out right from that how to get it by command line
[05:28] <memguy> If i can completely relate the web repo gui buttons in the website itself to  cvs command line that would be so awesome but the thing stopping me is figuring out the repo location from the website... without googling my butt off for an alternative repo that i can get from command line
[09:12] <vila> memguy: web sites can do whatever they please, they are no rules. Most of the time, some hint about the repo/branch is described on the page, but again, no hard rule there either.
[09:12] <vila> s/they are/there are/
[09:15] <memguy> I see github does a good job of providing the git repo like over http or https or just download the folder as a normal file download
[17:00] <Demosthenex> i'm using bzr 2.5.1 on an old ubuntu, i have a simple repo in a dir with a bunch of org-mode (text) files. cron job commits hourly if there's any changes. had a computer crash during a commit, had to break a bzr lock. working dir says run update, update says a revision is not found and fails. where to go from here?
[18:14] <mgrandi> can you see if the revision its trying to get is actually a commit?
[18:27] <mgrandi> as in @Demosthenex is it a recent commit?
[18:28] <mgrandi> (brb software upgrade)
[18:49] <Demosthenex> i see the long revision string lists a date AFTER the latest commit in the log
[18:50] <Demosthenex> or rather what it says is missing
[18:50] <Demosthenex> but if i try uncommit, it wants to rollback a commit made yesterday
[18:53] <mgrandi> can you checkout just the latest commit
[18:53] <mgrandi> that you know you made?
[19:37] <Demosthenex> i'll give that a shot when i'm at the machine next
[19:51] <memguy> one last thing with revision control current does anybody know what most project managers and code developers like to uses for the repo ? Me personally i imagine 99% of things now adays are either git , cvs ,svn , and maybe hg  at least for the opensource / free software community
[19:52] <memguy> For the closed source windows, mac, ...etc os they uses there on proprietary  RCS some times like TFS ...etc
[19:53] <memguy> IBM uses clearcase , cpvc ,...etc
[19:53] <mgrandi> perforce, bitkeeper, plastic
[19:53] <memguy> Would i be missing any major players in the repo software category
[19:53] <mgrandi> fossil (open source)
[19:54] <memguy> way but those don't seem used all that much
[19:54] <memguy> i am talking about the 99%
[20:07] <mgrandi> i guess
[20:07] <mgrandi> plastic i know is sorta big
[20:07] <mgrandi> and bitkeeper used to host hte linux kernel at one point =P
[21:14] <memguy> ya but bitkeeper broke into git and hg
[21:14] <mgrandi> it still exists as a product though
[21:14] <memguy> ya but i am talking about most of the projects
[21:14] <mgrandi> and now apparentloy open source =P https://www.bitkeeper.org/
[21:14] <memguy> repo
[22:12] <Demosthenex> memguy: bzr check! =]
[22:16] <Demosthenex> and bzr check bugged out.
[22:19] <Demosthenex> branch clone, thats ok, replaced original.
[22:37] <mgrandi> good to hear =)


[07:16] <sabmoc> anyone awake?
[09:05] <froud> African Greetings
[09:06] <Kinnison> froud.
[09:06] <froud> morning enrico
[09:06] <froud> Kinnison: hi
[09:06] <froud> OK, ideas wanted dudes
[09:06] <Kinnison> What does that mean for you?
[09:07] <Kinnison> (being capped)
[09:07] <froud> I have done docs for Ubuntu Update Manager
[09:09] <froud> Kinnison: yeah Telscum cap the DSL when you pass 3GB
[09:09] <froud> Kinnison: slllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww mooooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttion
[09:09] <froud> Now Update Manager has moved to gnome cvs
[09:09] <froud> problem is I documented it on Ubuntu
[09:10] <froud> question, how to keep the doc Ubuntu specific and neutral for GNOME
[09:11] <froud> ouch did anyone get what I just wrote?
[09:11] <sabmoc> would someone like to help me get started on working with the doc team?
[09:11] <froud> sabmoc: sure
[09:11] <sabmoc> ok, let me tell you where and what I am
[09:11] <froud> OK
[09:12] <sabmoc> I've read all the wiki pages on the docteam and howtogetstartedblahblahblah. I have used cvs but not svn yet. Dont think that should be too difficult.
[09:12] <sabmoc> I have read parts of the DocBook guide
[09:12] <froud> easy stuff
[09:12] <froud> good
[09:13] <sabmoc> I would like to learn more DocBook, and help the doc team if I can.
[09:13] <froud> good
[09:13] <sabmoc> That is all.
[09:13] <froud> what would you like to know next
[09:13] <sabmoc> hmm.. where do I start? Have any tasks that need taskers?
[09:14] <sabmoc> taskee's?
[09:14] <froud> well we are about to tag for release
[09:14] <sabmoc> yes, but I think that a good thing
[09:14] <froud> so not much writing is happening.
[09:14] <sabmoc> ah ok
[09:14] <froud> yes
[09:14] <froud> however, you should look at the following documents
[09:15] <sabmoc> This way I will see the breazy release from start to finish
[09:15] <froud> and see how you can contribute for the next release
[09:15] <sabmoc> froud, will I need to actually run the unstable release?
[09:15] <froud> look at User Guide, Admin Guide
[09:16] <froud> are you running Hoary now
[09:16] <sabmoc> yes, but when breazy comes out I dont plan to switch until it is very near release.
[09:16] <froud> next release is grumpy, no?
[09:17] <froud> then comes breazy
[09:17] <sabmoc> Oh!
[09:17] <sabmoc> ok, well s/breazy/grumpy/;
[09:17] <froud> Well same diff
[09:17] <froud> normally, yes you run the next release from the devel
[09:18] <sabmoc> froud, hmm..
[09:18] <froud> however, not everything in those guides will require changes
[09:18] <froud> to grumpy
[09:18] <froud> one place to look if you want to stay on hoary is the FAQ Guide
[09:19] <sabmoc> Im sort of planning to buy another computer, maybe if I do then Ill install grumpy, but otherwise I really need a stable desktop.
[09:20] <froud> it is currently at warty
[09:20] <froud> and needs updaating to hoary
[09:20] <froud> I believe that Corey was gonna look at that
[09:20] <froud> he is not here now
[09:20] <froud> however, the last meeting notes will give you an idea
[09:20] <sabmoc> The notes are posted to the mailing list?
[09:21] <sabmoc> The notes are posted to the mailing list?
[09:21] <froud> sorry i may disappear and reappear
[09:21] <sabmoc> I noticed :)
[09:21] <froud> my line has been capped
[09:21] <sabmoc> Thats strange, what does that mean, upload limits?
[09:22] <froud> I would start looking at all the docs and thinking what I can and want to do
[09:23] <sabmoc> Ok :)
[09:24] <froud> Kinnison:  arrrrrg this is what it means for me ;-(
[09:24] <sabmoc> heh
[09:24] <sabmoc> poor guy
[09:24] <Kinnison> froud: Oh dear
[09:24] <sabmoc> get a new provider
[09:24] <froud> poor South Africa
[09:24] <Kinnison> just waiting for the regrade to complete
[09:25] <froud> lemme see if I can find a server on which I can get a shell
[09:26] <froud> sabmoc: in co.za it is all the same
[09:26] <sabmoc> froud, ok thank you for the information. So basically just read the current documents and wait for the next cycle to begin. I can do that. :)
[09:27] <sabmoc> froud, that is most unfortunate :(
[09:27] <froud> whats the command to run bitchx again
[09:29] <sabmoc> it is `xchat`
[09:29] <sabmoc> for me, at least..
[09:29] <froud> sabmoc: yes, you can give patches on the docs I mentioned
[09:29] <sabmoc> where do I send them?
[09:29] <sabmoc> let me guess
[09:29] <sabmoc> as attachments to mailing list?
[09:30] <froud> yep
[09:30] <sabmoc> kk
[09:30] <sabmoc> anything else?
[09:30] <sabmoc> Actually, thats enough.
[09:30] <froud> BitchX is one of the most well-known IRC clients for the text console. It originated from ircii. It offers a lot of possibilities and settings.
[09:31] <sabmoc> froud, thanks goodnight
[09:31] <froud> aaaarg non of those hosts have bitchx
[09:31] <froud> sabmoc: my pleasure
[09:31] <froud> welcome
[09:31] <froud> to
[09:31] <froud> the
[09:32] <froud> docteam
[09:33] <froud> OK dudes, I cant stand the pain. I will drop in now and then to see you.
[09:33] <froud> c ya later
[10:03] <abelli> ciao a tutti
[10:03] <Kinnison> ciao abelli
[10:03] <abelli> enrico: ding dong dang
[10:04] <abelli> Kinnison: hows life treating you??
[10:04] <Kinnison> abelli: not bad thanks
[10:04] <Kinnison> abelli: you?
[10:04] <abelli> everything's ok thank u.
[10:13] <jsgotangco> hello hello
[10:13] <abelli> ciao
[10:13] <jsgotangco> ciao
[10:14] <jsgotangco> how long does the initial doc source take to dl?
[10:16] <abelli> jsgotangco: mmmm no idea sorry.
[10:16] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[10:16] <abelli> jsgotangco: i think you better  ask enrico.
[10:20] <jsgotangco> i will i'm just getting my feet wet in docbook at the moment
[10:22] <abelli> :)
[10:31] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[10:31] <abelli> what?
[10:32] <jsgotangco> are wiki issues also discussed here?
[10:32] <abelli> i think so, yes.
[10:32] <jsgotangco> well it seems my wiki entry is deleted?
[10:33] <abelli> huh.
[10:34] <abelli> enrico is the team secretary... you should ask him.
[10:34] <jsgotangco> enrico u there?
[10:37] <jsgotangco> what the hell
[10:37] <jsgotangco> someone deleted my wiki
[10:37] <jsgotangco> grr
[08:16] <mdke> hi all
[08:17] <Burgundavia> salut
[08:20] <Kinnison> Evening burger
[08:22] <mdke> hi Burgundavia Kinnison
[08:24] <Kinnison> mdke:
[08:24] <Kinnison> s/:/./
[08:24] <mdke> lol
[08:24] <mdke> sup
[08:25] <mdke> sabmoc, ping
[08:25] <Burgundavia> well if sabmoc's ip is correct, he lives very close to me
[08:25] <Burgundavia> which means he may be a work
[08:25] <mdke> whoops
[08:25] <mdke> brb
[08:25] <mdke> (phone)
[08:35] <sabmoc> hello
[08:35] <sabmoc> someone still looking for me?
[08:35] <sabmoc> mdke, ping
[08:35] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ping
[08:36] <Burgundavia> no
[08:36] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: where do you live?
[08:37] <Burgundavia> mdke: was looking for you, but he is on the phone
[08:37] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, near Vancouver
[08:38] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, do you live in BC too?
[08:38] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Victoria
[08:38] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, ah cool, I actually live in sechelt, just across the water from Nanaimo
[08:38] <Burgundavia> if you can, come down to VLUG, April 12
[08:39] <sabmoc> Hey that would be cool!
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we meet 7pm, at UVIC
[08:39] <Burgundavia> www.vlug.org
[08:40] <sabmoc> Its possible that I could come. Im free on the 12th
[08:40] <Burgundavia> do you want to do a hoary presentation together on the 12th?
[08:40] <sabmoc> gah, no
[08:40] <Burgundavia> ?
[08:41] <sabmoc> well, what would be involved?
[08:41] <Burgundavia> do you have a laptop?
[08:41] <sabmoc> nope
[08:41] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:41] <Burgundavia> then I have to install hoary on something and bring it
[08:41] <Burgundavia> and then we show them the cool new features
[08:42] <Burgundavia> and we talk about where Ubuntu is going
[08:42] <sabmoc> hmm.. but what if Im a clueless twit?
[08:42] <mdke> lol
[08:42] <mdke> never
[08:42] <Burgundavia> if you use Ubuntu, you cannot be
[08:42] <mdke> hi sabmoc and welcome
[08:42] <sabmoc> hi mdke
[08:43] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, hmm
[08:43] <sabmoc> should I bring a tent? :D
[08:44] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: hmm
[08:44] <Burgundavia> Unfortunately, I live in a room in a house, and thus have no place to put you up
[08:46] <sabmoc> How many people usually show up?
[08:46] <Burgundavia> ~20-30
[08:46] <sabmoc> sounds really fun
[08:48] <sabmoc> I'll have to think of where I would stay, since it would have to be an overnight trip for me, and I would have to get from Nanaimo to uvic, probably bus it.
[08:49] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: Nanaimo to Vic by bus (ouch, I have done that once)
[08:50] <sabmoc> hahaha
[08:50] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: right
[08:50] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: about that getting out more
[08:51] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: you want to fly? (my brother is a pilot)
[08:51] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I was thinking flying too
[08:51] <mdke> sabmoc, i don't believe that canadian team has grown up in 2 days
[08:51] <mdke> that's so cool
[08:52] <Burgundavia> have to counteract the european influence you know
[08:52] <sabmoc> aye, not to mention those pesky americano's
[08:52] <mdke> heh
[08:52] <mdke> get Burgundavia to join
[08:52] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, join
[08:52] <sabmoc> haha
[08:53] <mdke> he's only on 10 or so teams
[08:53] <sabmoc> pfft
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I am not
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I do stuff for universe and co
[08:53] <Burgundavia> s/co/doc
[08:53] <Burgundavia> that is it
[08:53] <mdke> just kidding
[08:53] <Burgundavia> ;)
[08:53] <mdke> but you're an active member of the ubuntu community
[08:53] <Burgundavia> I guess you could say that
[08:54] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, how much does the ferry to Nanaimo cost?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> 10, 5 if student
[08:55] <Burgundavia> each way
[08:55] <Burgundavia> from bcferries.com
[08:55] <sabmoc> Actually I meant with a vehicle
[08:55] <Burgundavia> more
[08:56] <Burgundavia> 31.25 each wa
[08:56] <Burgundavia> s/wa/way
[08:56] <Burgundavia> plus driver
[08:57] <sabmoc> so 72.50, plus about 35 for the Gibsons ferry, plus gas food and hotel. hmm
[08:57] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:57] <sabmoc> ouch
[08:57] <sabmoc> haha
[08:58] <Burgundavia> it doesn't have an airport, does it?
[08:59] <sabmoc> I'll check the rates for a float plane, next to where I work is a float airline
[08:59] <Burgundavia> ah
[08:59] <Burgundavia> going to be more
[08:59] <sabmoc> they've given me free rides before
[08:59] <sabmoc> maybe we can work something out
[09:01] <sabmoc> Its funny that I've never been to Vancouver Island, yet I've been all over BC's interior.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> what do you do as a day job?
[09:02] <sabmoc> I used to fix photocopiers for sharp, but now I am in a transition taking over the family business from my father. We own a restaurant.
[09:02] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:03] <sabmoc> So basically Im a cook.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> I am currently enjoying being unemployed
[09:03] <Burgundavia> left my job about 2 weeks ago
[09:03] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, lucky bugger
[09:03] <Burgundavia> used to work for www.microserve.ca
[09:03] <Burgundavia> doing windows crap
[09:03] <sabmoc> ah cool
[09:03] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I worked for Stream in Chiliwack for a while doing tech support
[09:04] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, are you going to school right now?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> went to CDI
[09:04] <Burgundavia> I was hired straight out of CDI last Sept
[09:04] <Burgundavia> was kind of nice
[09:04] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, wow
[09:05] <Burgundavia> then I realized that I was killing myself doing the job
[09:05] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, what did you take at cdi?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> and wasn't having much fun doing it
[09:05] <Burgundavia> network and internet security specialist
[09:05] <Burgundavia> basically msce+security
[09:05] <Burgundavia> thought I don't have the certs
[09:05] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, nice, you're not going to believe this but I went to CDI for a short time as well.
[09:06] <Burgundavia> what did you take?
[09:06] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, I didnt like it though, I was taking programming.
[09:06] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:06] <Burgundavia> ya
[09:06] <Burgundavia> they only teach m$ stuff
[09:06] <sabmoc> I droped out before the student loans went though the roof
[09:06] <mdke> lol@list
[09:07] <mdke> "bug first, then email"
[09:08] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, maybe you had desent teachers but when I was there all I did was read, there was almost no personal instruction going on at all, and I just figured why pay for this when I can do it myself for free.
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I didn't get much is the way of personal stuff
[09:08] <Burgundavia> but I did quite well
[09:08] <sabmoc> thats cool
[09:08] <Burgundavia> the instructor really really knew his stuff through
[09:08] <Burgundavia> though
[09:09] <Burgundavia> that helped
[09:09] <sabmoc> in hind site I probably should have finished it, just for the sake of finishing
[09:09] <Burgundavia> hey, water over the dam
[09:10] <sabmoc> our instructor had her own software company and was making a killing on some contracts, i dont think she really cared about her teaching job but its tuff to find qualified programmers willing to teach.
[09:11] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, yeah, doesnt really matter, I've taken a few classes at BCIT and Im taking another one next term.
[09:11] <Burgundavia> cdi pays like shit too
[09:12] <sabmoc> Burgundavia, probably, they have to finance to advertisments somehow.
[09:12] <sabmoc> s/to/those/;
[09:15] <sabmoc> oh no, gmail is down
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: no, its not
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: however, it was down for me
[09:16] <Burgundavia> sabmoc: I suspect rolling server outages