[03:09] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[03:10] <pr0ph3t> any of you running xbmc? which version?
[07:38] <Gulfstream> are the latest dailies safe (do they install?)?
[07:52] <Gulfstream> sorry... I meant, the current daily...
[10:44] <ripps> Can someone help me, a package a I'm trying to build for Natty get this:
[10:44] <ripps> usr/bin/ld: main.o: undefined reference to symbol 'xmlCleanupParser@@LIBXML2_2.4.30'
[10:44] <ripps> seems the new version of libxml in natty is incompatible
[11:31] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[11:32] <pr0ph3t> has anyone got  xbmc workin on natty 64bit?
[11:32] <pr0ph3t> working*
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:46] <BluesKaj> uhoh, do i dare reboot ? just updated , now I get this : dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing:  apport apport-kde
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> It's just apport
[13:53] <Ian_Corne> as long as it's not dpkg you'll be fine :p
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, well my other natty pc has had some boot probs , which can usually be fixed by dropping to a tty and updating or using the recovery mode and the "fix broken packages" dialog option .
[13:56] <BluesKaj> just wondering if apport has been part of the that problem
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, had the same errors on the other natty box , and encountered no probs rebooting
[15:09] <dneary_> Hi
[15:09] <dneary_> nmbd is failing to start for me during an apt-get upgrade today, and it's blocking the rest
[15:09] <dneary_> Known issue?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> latest kernel version won't boot on my pc.  I had to drop to previous version
[15:58] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, what's the lastest version?
[15:59] <Daekdroom> I been using .37-12 for quite awhile, and there aren't any updates.
[16:00] <charlie-tca> BluesKaj: Is it related to the X packages upgrades?
[16:00] <charlie-tca> (topic)
[16:01] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, the grub fonts are so small on this large monitor I dibn't really check the version , but I booted in with 2.6.37-11
[16:01] <Daekdroom> Well, I have a 22" 1080p monitor and the grub fonts are very small as well, but I'm kinda sure -12 is working because uname -a says I'm using it :P
[16:02] <BluesKaj> charlie-tca, it could be ..I was stalling out and freezing before kdm started
[16:04] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, right , I'm using our tv , a 42"plasma , so the fonts in grub are too small too read
[16:04] <BluesKaj> er to read
[16:06] <BluesKaj> from this distance , about 3M
[16:08] <BluesKaj> could be my kde 4.6 upgrade too, not sure charlie-tca, Daekdroom
[16:09] <Daekdroom> If KDM stopped working, then an older kernel weren't meant to solve it.
[16:23]  * BluesKaj decides not to reboot til X org stack is fixed
[16:28] <bullgard4> Will Natty provide OpenOffice or LibreOffice?
[16:28] <Daekdroom> bullgard4, LibreOffice is default in natty already
[16:29] <bullgard4> Daekdroom: Thank you.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> uhoh , panel just crashed
[16:48] <dneary_> This samba issue is quite annoying
[16:49] <dneary_> It's blocking me from sharing a printer
[16:49] <dneary_> nmbd does not start for me, since I upgraded earlier (from 2 days ago). Is it a known issue? Error messages aren't much use, I'm afraid
[16:50] <dneary_> "nmbd pre-start process terminated with status 1"
[16:51] <dneary_> Funny though, I can't access cups via port 631 either, even though it says it's starting up fine
[16:52] <dneary_> Via localhost it's fine, but from another host it gives "unble to
[16:52] <dneary_> "unable to connect"
[16:52] <dneary_> So prob a permissions issue
[16:55] <BluesKaj> ok, back on the 2.6.37-12-generic, ...had an odd occurrence with plasma panel disappearing for no reason
[16:55] <dneary_> But still have that nmbd startup issue when upgrading
[16:55] <dneary_> And also the fact that sharing the printer in gnome-control-panel wasn't setting the shared option for cups...
[16:56] <genii-around> Heh, I have to remember not to always use the -y switch with apt-get dist-upgrade ... removed kubuntu-desktop on me due to some phonon deps
[16:58] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around , i forgot the restore plasma panel command
[16:58] <al-maisan> hello, I am having trouble installing a package (python-scipy) on natty; the errors are as follows: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/558620/
[16:59] <al-maisan> any ideas how this could be resolved?
[16:59] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I haven't had to do it for a while but I think is something like kwin --replace or somesuch
[16:59] <al-maisan> also, the quoted dependency "Depends: python-numpy (< 1:1.5)" is not in the python-scipy debian/control file
[17:16] <BluesKaj> ok genii-around , thanks ..I'll check it out
[17:29] <genii-around> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.htm ... "he requested URL /archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.htm was not found on this server."
[17:36] <genii-around> The last link in this room's topic ends in .htm instead of .html
[17:46] <BluesKaj> genii-around, good point , adding the "l" takes you to the proper site :)
[17:47] <BluesKaj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.html
[17:50] <rww> genii-around: you have ops in here now, btw. all the (non-probation) #ubuntu people do ;)
[17:50] <lixinfish> hello, anyone using unity? I'm trying it now, and I don't know how to do everything, anywhere I can get a copy of documentation or something?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> rww, just noticed , genii-around isn't around ..he's away atm
[17:54] <charlie-tca> must depend on the irc client, mine ends in html
[17:54] <charlie-tca> oh, pici fixed it
[17:56] <Pici> ;)
[17:56] <Gulfstream> are the latest dailies capable of installing successfully?
[18:02] <BluesKaj> Gulfstream, apport has broken dependencies , but otherwiseread the MOTD in the Topic
[18:06] <lixinfish> anybody help.. I don't know how to show desktop, I don't know how to add applet, I don's know how to pin something to the left bar. Anywhere I can find the solution?
[18:07] <lixinfish> and, I don't know how to open a file-browser
[18:08] <Gulfstream> lixinfish: sounds like you are using Unity
[18:08] <dneary_> Gulfstream, Funny :)
[18:08] <lixinfish> Gulfstream: yep
[18:08] <lixinfish> new to it, today
[18:08] <lixinfish> everything become so weird
[18:09] <Gulfstream> lixinfish: it does... I'd use the other desktop manager
[18:09] <lixinfish> so.. Ubuntu gona change to this unity in the next edition?
[18:10] <lixinfish> I think it should be easy to use, and I just don't know how
[18:10] <lixinfish> I try to ask in #ubuntu, but people there told me to come here...
[18:11] <lixinfish> Gulfstream: btw, what desktop manager do you use?
[18:11] <Gulfstream> lixinfish: the classic desktop
[18:12] <Gulfstream> I don't think it is really a different desktop manager...
[18:12] <lixinfish> Gulfstream: so.. no way for a new user to use unity..?
[18:13] <hifi> why the heck my nm-applet has no icon... there are working icon sets installed
[18:13] <lixinfish> it's so sad, I can't find any documentation about it
[18:13] <Gulfstream> lixinfish: I don't think it is possible right now
[18:14] <lixinfish> Gulfstream: then why there is a 10.10 notebook edition with unity as I'm using it right now, not intend for people to use?
[18:17] <Gulfstream> lixinfish: I thought you were using Natty.
[18:19] <dneary_> What could slow latency on an intranet to snail's pace?
[18:19] <dneary_> Massive packet loss on a router?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> dneary_, using network manager on wifi ?
[18:20] <dneary_> BluesKaj, Yes
[18:21] <dneary_> How would I diagnosticate whether it's just me or everyone?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> what encryption type, wep or wpa2
[18:22] <dneary_> Uhmmm... yes?
[18:22] <dneary_> wpa2 I think
[18:22] <dneary_> A big long password
[18:22] <BluesKaj> using auto dns on the router ?
[18:23] <dneary_> yeah
[18:23] <dneary_> I have 2 laptops badly afflicted
[18:24] <BluesKaj>  try manual google dns on the router , primary is <IP_ADDRESS> secondary is <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:25] <dneary_> Wondering if it's my OS's fault, or something I'm doing, or an attack of some sort, or something else
[18:25] <lixinfish> Gulfstream: no, I'm using maverick.. the notebook edition.. just can't understand why no docs for how to use
[18:26] <BluesKaj> then in /etc/resolve,conf  make sure your nameserver settings are correct , you can find those by doing iwconfig in the terminal
[18:27] <dneary_> Surely iwconfig will give me the interface config for wireless interfaces?
[18:27] <BluesKaj> it should
[18:27] <dneary_> Does it also give DNS info? Didn't think it did
[18:28] <dneary_> heh - funny stuff :)
[18:28] <BluesKaj> no but it does give your router nameserver IP which you need for the resolv.conf file
[18:28] <dneary_> dneary@sligo:~$ ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:28] <dneary_> PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data.
[18:28] <dneary_> 64 bytes from <IP_ADDRESS>: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=2485 ms
[18:29] <dneary_> OK - looks like things are going awry in the router/modem
[18:29] <BluesKaj> actually network manager should set the resolv.conf automatically
[18:30] <dneary_> I have one computer connected via wired internet & ping to that is faster, but still v irregular
[18:30] <dneary_> Pinging the router directly gives acceptable lag
[18:30] <BluesKaj> run ifconfig then iwconfig
[18:30] <dneary_> (I don't think bandwidth is a problem, but latency is painful)
[18:31] <dneary_> ifconfig doesn't give DNS information either
[18:31] <dneary_> BluesKaj, Are you sure you know this stuff well?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> dneary_, can you edit the router settings from a webpage like router IP ?
[18:32] <dneary_> Seems to me like the IP address & resolv.conf get written by dhconfig once you connect to the access point
[18:32] <dneary_> BluesKaj, Sure
[18:33] <BluesKaj> that's where you set the manual dns settings for one thing
[18:37] <BluesKaj> dneary_, I meant the nameserver IP for resolv.conf can sometimes be wrong
[18:43] <dneary_> Ah
[18:43] <dneary_> It looks OK - <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:44] <dneary_> Not a DNS issue on local network anyway - names are discovered w/ zeroconf
[18:44] <dneary_> And all local hosts are also in /etc/hosts
[18:44] <dneary_> So I can get to galway.local or just galway
[18:45] <BluesKaj> the nameserver is usully listed in the router , and I list the local IPs in hosts.allow under portmap ...makes it easier to ssh locally
[18:46] <BluesKaj> dns can be an issue with latency on the internet side
[18:53] <BluesKaj> dneary_, yeah the gateway IP and nameserver in resolv.conf are usually the same
[18:57] <BluesKaj> errands to do ...BBL
[19:53] <FloridaGuy> i just did this ....    http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/script-to-automatically-apply-200-lines.html    ..... to 10.10...going to upgrade to 11.04....will i have to reaply it
[19:55] <BUGabundo_noX> hey guys
[19:55] <BUGabundo_noX> who broke X?
[19:55] <BUGabundo_noX> bjsnider: ^^^^
[19:56] <FloridaGuy> you did
[19:57] <BUGabundo_noX> FloridaGuy: if i did i would be applying magic glue to it right now, instead of booting from a livecd
[19:59] <BUGabundo_noX> AFAIK i havent removed any packages
[20:01] <MTecknology> Upgraded my server to 11.04 and now I get this    "2068 syslog    20   0 37264 8760 1016 S  175  1.7   1117:15 rsyslogd"
[20:01] <anr78> I see the daily build has torrents for mac. "This image is adjusted to work properly on Mac systems.". What kind of adjustments? Preinstalled mactel-support modules?
[20:01] <MTecknology> lovely :P   I wonder what's causing that change..
[20:02] <BUGabundo_noX> time to give xorg-edgers a try then
[20:02] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo_noX, /topic
[20:03] <BUGabundo_noX> Daekdroom: i know
[20:03] <BUGabundo_noX> as i said, i havent removed anything
[20:03] <Daekdroom> and it's not necessary to remove packages to break X.
[20:03] <BUGabundo_noX> sure
[20:03] <BUGabundo_noX> upgrades will do it too
[20:03] <BUGabundo_noX> either i downgrade X or upgrade the rest (from ppa)
[20:03] <Daekdroom> Xorg-edgers works alright, for that matter.
[20:11] <anr78> should I use the mac-cd to create a virtual vboxmachine of 11.04? I dare not install native yet :)
[20:13] <BUGabundo_noX> it would seem even PPA isnt upgrading clearly
[20:16] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_noX: did you forget to read the topic again ;-)
[20:16] <BUGabundo_noX> LOL
[20:16] <BUGabundo_noX> i have read it
[20:16] <BUGabundo_noX> and the link too
[20:17] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo_noX, xserver-xorg-input-wacom is getting held back, isn't it?
[20:17] <BUGabundo_noX> much more
[20:17] <BUGabundo_noX> The following packages have unmet dependencies:   xserver-xorg-video-openchrome: Depends: xorg-video-abi-8.0 which is a virtual package.   libwebkitgtk-1.0-common: Conflicts: libwebkit-1.0-common but 1.2.5-0ubuntu3 is installed.   libdrm-nouveau1a: Breaks: libdrm-nouveau1 but 2.4.23+git20110119.550fe2ca-0ubuntu0sarvatt is installed.   xserver-xorg-input-wacom: Depends: xorg-input-abi-11.0 which is a virtual package.
[20:17] <Daekdroom> Oh well. I feel lucky I installed xorg-edgers before the dependency hell :P
[20:18] <Daekdroom> libdrm-nouveau1 is getting deprecated, iirc
[20:19] <charlie-tca> thank goodness for BUGabundo_noX . I will wait to upgrade again... :-)
[20:20] <BUGabundo_noX> :)
[20:21] <BUGabundo_noX> gonna reboot
[20:21] <BUGabundo_noX> cant be much worse
[20:28] <BluesKaj> is apport really necessary? I'm tired of the errors
[20:28] <coz_> BluesKaj,   glad to see someone else has errors with apport
[20:29] <Daekdroom> coz_, that's kinda selfish
[20:29] <BluesKaj> coz_, think I'l just remove it .
[20:30] <BluesKaj> do i care when hundreds of ppl are probly filing bugs with launchpad anyway :)
[20:30] <coz_> isnt apport for  debugging  or crash reports?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> yup
[20:35] <Gulfstream> should I install the proprietary NVIDIA driver or the free experimental driver?
[20:36] <BluesKaj> install the nvidi-current driver recommended in hardware
[20:37] <BluesKaj> err nvidia-current
[21:04] <Gulfstream> is it safe to run dist-upgrade? I see that it will remove X packages so I am assuming that the upload is not yet finished.
[21:07] <Daekdroom> Gulfstream, I wouldn't update any packages related to X at this point
[21:49] <carl0s-> have there been any (Intel) video regressions lately (last week)? I have a white square floating around over flash plugin stuff, and other square-like patches over video playback, and the Unuty menu just doesn't appear any more. It's like a transparent box is appearing in place of the menu, i.e. something's happening, but there's nothing there
[21:55] <BluesKaj> carl0s-, read the topic URL ,
[21:55] <BluesKaj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-January/032355.html
[21:55] <carl0s-> BluesKaj, ah.. yes, thanks :-)
[21:56] <carl0s-> i'm reading it now. sounds exciting :)
[21:58] <carl0s-> I love being cutting edge :)
[21:59] <carl0s-> ooh there's a new xserver-xorg-video-intel already, since a couple of hours ago. awesome.
[22:20] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[22:21] <pr0ph3t> did I mess something up or is there a problem with ubuntu-desktop?
[22:40] <popey> hmm, apport seems broken today
[22:43] <yofel> sudo service apport stop before upgrading will fix it
[22:43] <yofel> although there is a fix for that pending
[22:43] <popey> I'm not upgrading i'm installing
[22:43] <popey> I removed it
[22:44] <popey> ooo, how odd, i removed it but it still lets me stop it
[22:44] <popey> thanks