[09:31] <AlanBell> gnome-shell in saucy is running at 300% CPU according to top.
[09:31] <smartboyhw> Eh....
[09:31] <AlanBell> any way I can diagnose what it is doing?
[09:31] <AlanBell> means it is spinning 3 cores flat out
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:14] <philinux> BluesKaj: how's it going
[11:14] <BluesKaj> hi philinux , fine thanks and you ?
[11:15] <philinux> good yep. lots of peeps in here but not chatting. Always the same in here
[11:16] <BluesKaj> yeah , plenty of lurkers
[11:17] <philinux> hah lurkers I like that. How's saucy kde looking
[11:17] <BluesKaj> not bad if you're careful with the repos
[11:21] <BluesKaj> had the the proposed enabled for  a while til I was advised to comment it , an oversight , and got myself into a jam with no desktop , but managed to clean up the mess after a suggestion from penguin42 , to reanble then upgrade
[11:22] <BluesKaj> now it's got a 400 permissions level (whatever that means) in /etc/apt/preferences
[11:27] <philinux> BluesKaj: oho proposed was not a good idea lol. glad you got it sorted
[11:32] <BluesKaj> philinux, well intentions were to use it for the new kde desktop before it was placed in the upgrades and then comment it , but the upgrade delivered some libs that still had dependencies in proposed, which broke the installed desktop after they were no longer available
[11:32] <BluesKaj> on the next upgrade
[11:32] <BluesKaj> lesson learned
[13:17] <sarah83> hello where can i get 13.10?
[13:17] <smartboyhw> sarah83, cdimage.ubuntu.com
[13:18] <smartboyhw> For better sake, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[13:18] <smartboyhw> We don't recommend 13.10 for users though.
[13:18] <sarah83> smartboyhw: why? :(
[13:19] <smartboyhw> sarah83, it's still in development.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> And unstable.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Try to use 13.04 or 12.04 LTS.
[13:19] <sarah83> smartboyhw: how unstable?
[13:19] <smartboyhw> sarah83, some packages might break and not work...
[13:19] <sarah83> but i want my saucy salamander
[13:19] <smartboyhw> sarah83,  at this stage 13.10 is not really recommendable....
[13:20] <sarah83> damn ok
[16:57] <min|dvir|us> My computer works just fine, and then all of a sudden, everything hangs and I have to reboot. What do I do?
[16:58] <bazhang> min|dvir|us, in 13.10?
[16:58] <min|dvir|us> bazhang: 13.04.
[16:59] <bazhang> min|dvir|us, dont crosspost 13.04 issues here
[16:59] <min|dvir|us> OK, sorry. Figured I'd get better help here.
[16:59] <bazhang> this is 13.10
[20:03] <JPeterson> how do i show the rest of the GUI (beside the background) in this case https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2z5p162ovqtbn17/GEKl6cCMQp/note/ubuntu
[20:05] <Atlantic777> JPeterson: do you have multiple monitors?
[20:06] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: no
[20:06] <Atlantic777> JPeterson: what's output of xrandr command? Can you post it on some pastebin?
[20:06] <Atlantic777> It's strange that screenshots are square...
[20:08] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: its in the dropbox folder
[20:10] <Atlantic777> JPeterson: that's ok but when I opened that images they are still square. Nevermind. I don't see what's the problem because I don't see whole screenshot.
[20:10] <Atlantic777> Is launcher missing?
[20:10] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: it is the whole screen
[20:11] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: tell me a command that answer the question
[20:11] <Atlantic777> Do you have icons on the left edge of screen?
[20:12] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: that's answered by the picture
[20:14] <JPeterson> tell me a command that answer why it's not showing more of the GUI than the background
[20:15] <Atlantic777> Sorry, I can't see whole image, I can't help you. i guess "unity --replace" could do some magick...
[20:16] <Atlantic777> I see just this http://i.imgur.com/ClOmaaT.png
[20:16] <Atlantic777> JPeterson: just change resolution...
[20:17] <Atlantic777> your current resolution seems to be   938x944
[20:17] <Atlantic777> which is almost square... (it's from xrandr output in your dropbox folder)
[20:18] <Atlantic777> try this command: xrandr --output Virtual1 --mode 2560x1600
[20:20] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: its in dropbox
[20:26] <JPeterson> Atlantic777: this command restored the configuration
[20:26] <JPeterson> DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace & disown
[20:26] <Atlantic777> cool
[20:48] <JPeterson> who pushed binutils packages with the same file path to APT?
[20:48] <JPeterson> according to this output
[20:48] <JPeterson> Preparing to replace binutils 2.23.2-2ubuntu3 (using .../binutils_<IP_ADDRESS>30612-1ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[20:48] <JPeterson> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/ldscripts/i386pep.x', which is also in package binutils-mingw-w64-x86-64 <IP_ADDRESS>20919-0ubuntu1+2
[20:58] <JPeterson> this is the solution
[20:58] <JPeterson> sudo aptitude -y purge binutils
[22:49] <zerick> I've been testing log_format entry but I'm getting this error
[22:49] <zerick>  [emerg] 6301#0: unknown log format "customlog" in  /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/reverseproxy.conf:8
[22:49] <zerick> customlog is the name of my log_format


[12:40] <zul> heylo
[12:57] <ivoks> hi
[12:58] <sn9> lo
[12:58] <ivoks> like bob on winter olympics :)
[03:00] <zul> heylo
[03:05] <zul> heylo
[03:08] <zul> so i applied to become a core dev last night
[03:29] <infinity> zul: Good.  We need more people with clue.
[03:30] <zul> heh im good at faking it ;)
[03:31] <infinity> We all are, dude.  We all are. :)
[03:31] <infinity> It's all about how *well* you fake it. :)
[03:31] <zul> hehe...
[03:32] <infinity> (Only slightly tongue-in-cheek here, since knowlege isn't what's important, it's the ability to rapidly acquire knowlege that sets people apart, IMO)
[03:32] <zul> thats so true
[03:32] <infinity> So, the faster you can Google, and the quicker you can pretend to be familiar with kernel subsystem X, the more you win.
[03:41] <fabbione> hey infinity
[03:41] <fabbione> did you get rid of your headacke?
[03:41] <infinity> I wish.
[03:42] <fabbione> ok
[03:42] <fabbione> :/
[03:43] <infinity> Oh well, I can think clearly enough to drive the buildds and other mindless tasks, so I'm getting SOMETHING done.
[03:43] <infinity> Just not much hacking right now, cause I'm not alive enough to program my way out of a paper bag.
[03:46] <Mithrandir> I recommend using your hands or a knife or something to get yourself out of a paper bag.
[03:46] <zul> leeches i hear work
[04:18] <zul> hey ben
[05:42] <Seveas> BenC: unreproducable kernel oops/kernel nullpointer with tainted kernels: reject/low priority/something else?
[05:43] <mjg59> Ask them to repeat with an untainted kernel
[05:43] <mjg59> Then leave at needinfo forever
[05:44] <Seveas> ok
[05:45] <BenC> yeah, that sounds like a plan
[06:18] <davidj> I'm trying to build fuse, and I've run into a problem.  The fuse-2.5.3/kernel/Makefile seems to require building as root.  Specifically, it won't build without write access to /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/fuse/.  How did you fix this when you packed fuse for ubuntu?
[06:19] <BenC> basic kernel makefile
[06:20] <BenC> in-tree build doesn't do that
[06:20] <davidj> Ah, that's right, your kernel has fuse built in.  I'm trying to build it for RH, which doesn't have it.
[06:21] <zul> uh...we dont do redhat
[06:22] <davidj> zul: I know.
[06:22] <davidj> I'm building for for LTSP, and there are a lot of links between ubuntu and ltsp.
[06:22] <davidj> ogra suggested that BenC might have a hint or two that might help me.
[06:23] <BenC> I suggest removing the line that tries to copy the file to /lib/modules/
[06:23] <davidj> BenC: Thanks for your response.  I'll keep working at it.
[11:56] <mdz> BenC: how confident are you in ipw3945?
[11:56] <mdz> I'm a bit wary of adding an entirely new driver after beta
[11:57] <BenC> mdz: to be honest, I have no confidence, because I have no way to test it, however, because of Intel has a good track record with their drivers, and because we didn't have to hack any code to get it to build, I suspecrt it will work perfectly
[11:58] <mdz> ipw2200 certainly wasn't perfect when we first got it in, but it was no worse than having no driver at all
[11:58] <mdz> that's the only bar we need to set ;-)
[11:58] <BenC> fitting it into our source was 10x's easier than some of the drivers we pushed in there, and they seem to be doing ok :)
[11:58] <infinity> If it works for one user, we win, IMO.
[11:58] <mdz> so long as it doesn't, say, hang the kernel when the module is loaded, it's ok
[11:58] <infinity> And surely we can find one user to test the bloody thing.
[11:58] <mdz> but if it does that, it can make it nearly impossible to install ubuntu
[11:58] <BenC> yeah, that would be the major draw-back
[11:59] <BenC> but I don't see that happening, most likely it would crash when it is configured, if anything
[11:59] <mdz> I know sabdfl will appreciate his X60's wireless working though
[11:59] <Keybuk> he has an X60 now?
[11:59] <Keybuk> what did he do to his X40?
[11:59] <BenC> when I get .22 out, I'll email him to test it
[11:59] <mdz> he still has it I think
[11:59] <mdz> BenC: good plan
[12:00] <BenC> yeah, it was actually the sab that wanted it in there, and he was very pushy about it :)
[12:00] <mdz> infinity: oh?  I didn't get that memo
[12:00] <cjb> Wait, isn't ipw3945 the one that needs the binary userspace daemon running as root?
[12:00] <mdz> cjb: yes
[12:00] <infinity> cjb: Yup!
[12:00] <cjb> *boggle*
[12:00] <BenC> cjb: yeah, it gets started automatically when the module is loaded
[12:00] <cjb> Is that even legally redistributable?
[12:00] <BenC> yes
[12:00] <infinity> mdz: I've noticed that some memos seem to be strategically CCd so as to avoid opposition. :)
[12:00] <BenC> it and the firmware come with redistribution rights
[12:01] <mdz> infinity: if there is an email trail for that, please forward me a copy of the thread
[12:01] <infinity> mdz: I'll have to poke mjg59 for his end of the trail.
[12:01] <infinity> BenC: Did you get any such?
[12:01] <BenC> mdz: it was a very thin thread I got from sabdfl asking if we could include it, he sent it about the same time you emailed me, when the driver got released
[12:01] <infinity> mdz: I was out of the loop, except for the part where I did he LRM work, cause I was "in there anyway".
[12:02] <cjb> Is anyone working on a free version of the binary driver?  Can't be that hard to figure out what it's doing.
[12:02] <BenC> it wasn't really a decleration from above, just a request, but one which I couldn't really refuse :)
[12:02] <infinity> cjb: I'm sure several people already are, but not in time for dapper.
[12:02] <BenC> and I'm sure Intel knows that will happen too
[12:03] <infinity> They're counting on it, I suspect, so they can drop their silly "we're doing this to placate the FCC" workaround.


[02:12] <blackboxsw> Woot! Thanks vorlon for cloud-init!
[04:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1035.37]
[05:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1016.17~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[05:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-1016.17~18.04.1]
[07:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1016.17] (core, kernel)
[08:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-base [source] (xenial-proposed) [4.5ubuntu1.1~16.04.1]
[08:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-base [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.5ubuntu1.1~16.04.1] (core)
[09:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-1016.17]
[09:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (eoan-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1012.13] (core, kernel)
[09:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [5.3.0-1012.13]
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, can you please do the llvm-toolchain-10 promotion to main magic?
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> also coq and reverse-dependencies are dropped in armhf/s390x in debian, can any AA do the same? (also reverse-deps please
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> NBS cleanup in proposed ^^ apw please?
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg> this makes the coq transition finish
[10:51] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, of ?
 apw, can I please have coq removed in some architectures? it follows a debian removal bug. it might come back, but maybe not in time for focal https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=953408
 Debian bug 953408 in ftp.debian.org "RM: coq [armel armhf i386 mipsel mips64el s390x] -- ROM; FTBFS (mostly on 32bit architectures, or where ocaml has only a bytecode compiler)" [Normal,Open]
 the list and reverse-deps is on that bug, basically coq armhf i386 s390x, with also prooftree why3 and libaac-tactics-ocaml
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg> the new coq is FTBFS there, it might come back but not in time for focal
[10:57] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: no, it's demotions, and it's always reset when you upload a new llvm :-/
[11:11] <LocutusOfBorg> but why?
[11:14] <seb128> ubuntu-archive, anyone who would like to review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-archive-scripts/report-include-timezone/+merge/380301 ? should be trivial
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-azure [amd64] (xenial-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1075.80] (kernel)
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-base [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.5ubuntu1.1~16.04.1]
[11:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-azure [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.15.0-1075.80]
[11:53] <sil2100> seb128: looking
[12:08] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[12:38] <doko> apw, sforshee, is there a way to avoid the hundreds of messages in autopkg tests like: depmod: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:515 lookup_builtin_file() could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/5.4.0-18-generic/modules.builtin.bin'
[12:40] <apw> doko, that i think should be there; so likely yes
[12:42] <doko> apw: ? so is there a way to avoid these?
[12:43] <apw> doko: I believe there is, I suspect that says we are failing to package a new binary accelerator file
[12:44] <doko> thanks for clarifying
[12:45] <doko> seb128, Laney<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is ignoreing stderr the right choice? or should the test be ignored?
[12:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oem-osp1 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [5.0.0-1044.49] (no packageset)
[13:11] <sforshee> doko, apw: this isn't a kernel problem, and according to bug 1864992 it should be fixed
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [5.3.0-1012.13~18.04.1] (no packageset)
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (bionic-proposed/main) [4.15.0-1036.40] (kernel)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oem-osp1 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.0.0-1044.49]
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [4.15.0-1036.40]
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-oracle-5.3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [5.3.0-1012.13~18.04.1]
[13:43] <tkamppeter> Hi, could someone have a look at bug 1865298, FFe for HPLIP, driver for newest HP printers?
[14:02] <seb128> doko, (Laney), no, ignoring stderr wouldn't be right/would fix the issue, xvfb fails to start an xserver apparently so it's not a problem of stderr noise
[14:02] <seb128> doko, sounds like a real issue
[14:02] <ahasenack> hello release team, if someone has a moment and could please look at this FFe, it's the long tail of reintroducing geoip support in bind9 9.16: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-maxminddb/+bug/1867919
[14:09] <doko> apw, sil2100: please update the mailman hint to mailman/1:2.1.29-1ubuntu3  always failed
[14:38] <doko> ruby-defaults now migratable, when ignoring autopkg tests (output_notest.txt)
[14:38] <doko> kanashiro: ^^^
[14:39] <apw> doko, done
[14:46] <kanashiro> doko, good news
[14:48] <doko> kanashiro: yesterday, we (xnox, rbalint, myself) chatted how we can help with the transition (because it's blocking some others). Do you have a status, or packages which need help?
[14:49] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coq/+bug/1868106. could you update that for focal?
[14:52] <kanashiro> doko, I also chatted about it with vorlon and we intend to start removing the remaining packages with autopkgtest regressions tomorrow, today I am working on chef (which I think it is an important package and we shouldn't remove it) and the other one that I am worried about is ruby-fakefs because it would remove many other packages. So when we get those 2 packages fixed I think we are good to go and request removals for the rest
[14:58] <bdmurray_> sil2100: Could you have a look at my apport SRUs for 19.10 and 18.04?
[15:01] <kanashiro> doko, btw I just got a patch to fix ruby-fakefs
[15:04] <sil2100> bdmurray: sure! I didn't do queue reviews yet, wanted to finish up netplan/networking stuff - I'm good to start now
[15:15] <ahasenack> sil2100: hi, pinging you just because you reviewed the previous FFes and have some context at least: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-maxminddb/+bug/1867919
[15:15] <ahasenack> you are nearing your eod, though
[15:15] <rafaeldtinoco> someone mind force bad-test to ruby-gtk/all/ppc64el because of LP: #1868108 for kanashiro and I ? (ruby transition)
[15:17] <sil2100> ahasenack: hey! I'll try to get to it after I do some SRU stuff
[15:23] <ahasenack> sil2100: thanks a lot
[15:24] <seb128> rafaeldtinoco, sil2100, don't badtest ruby-gnome, webkit is really busted on ppc64el and it's not a redherring
[15:24] <seb128> I've a test fix in a ppa and I'm working with upstream on it
[15:25] <tkamppeter> sil2100, are you working on FFe s today? Could you have a look at bug ld someone have a look at bug  1865298?
[15:25] <sil2100> seb128: ACK
[15:25] <seb128> thanks
[15:25] <rafaeldtinoco> tku
[15:26] <sil2100> tkamppeter: hey! I'll try to take a look at it as well after my meeting + SRU shift
[15:27] <tkamppeter> OK, thanks.
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (eoan-proposed) [2.20.11-0ubuntu8.7]
[15:42] <nael_n> seb128, you helped me on bug #1866565. It's been fixed upstream and the GNOME developers made a bugfix release (gedit-plugins 3.36.1). Can it be brought downstream in Ubuntu? Does it need to go through Debian? I'm not sure what's the next steps and how I can help
[15:43] <seb128> nael_n, hey, first best to use #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-devel, that's not a release issue
[15:43] <seb128> nael_n, also that update is on our GNOME updates list for the cycle, we do updates in Debian for most GNOME packages so we will do it there, no need to do anything more from your side
[15:45] <nael_n> OK thanks! That's good to hear. Channels noted!
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted drbd-utils [source] (bionic-proposed) [8.9.10-2ubuntu0.1]
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apport [source] (bionic-proposed) [2.20.9-0ubuntu7.13]
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, what is the action point from my side to LP:  #1868106 ?
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks for doing it
[17:21] <hggdh> folks we have a regression on GRUB, 18.04. Please see bug 1868138
[17:23] <seb128> juliank, chrisccoulson, SRUteam, ^
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> huh, I don't see how the recent update could cause this - it doesn't touch anything that happens on install
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> it looks like it's probably a bug that's been there for a while, and just triggered by the latest update
[17:30] <chrisccoulson> the last upload to touch anything that runs on install was https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/2.02-2ubuntu8.13
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128 ^
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> I'm not sure what to do about that
[17:31] <hggdh> prolly. If you change /etc/default/grub *after* the upgrade to add a continuation line, it works
[17:32] <hggdh> point is, right now, users with continuation lines will fail to upgrade. The OP states they have 100+ servers
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right
[17:34] <hggdh> I tested it on Azure, and it fails as reported. IDK how many Azure VMs would be in the same scenario, but I expect there will be a non-insignificant number (and on other clouds as well)
[17:37] <seb128> hggdh, but why does it start being an issue now if that was introduce 2 revisions ago?
[17:39] <hggdh> seb128: I frankly have no idea yet, trying to grab more data from OP. It may well be it has been lurking there since 8ubuntu13, but nobody upgraded.
[17:40] <hggdh> nevertheless it is there now :-)
[17:42] <hggdh> and dammit, I wrote the version wrong. it is, of course, 2.02-2ubuntu8.13
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> I'm not sure what to do at the moment. This almost certainly isn't caused by the last upload, but a previous change that's been dormant until people applied updates with the recent upload
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> I'll wait for juliank to respond
[17:45] <juliank> Im not really here atm
[17:48] <juliank> This is not a regression in this update in any case
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> juliank, ah, no worries. Do you want me to escalate?
[17:49] <juliank> And it's only one user?
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> I don't know - I think hggdh has more insight there
[17:50] <juliank> Continuation lines seem wrong to have in that file
[17:50] <hggdh> juliank: I reproduced it
[17:50] <juliank> If you add a continuation line between 8.14 and 8.15, you can remove the continuation line again
[17:51] <juliank> A future update should probably handle that, but a continuation line here is not expected, and there's no point rolling it back as that's a non default unexpected thing
[17:51] <hggdh> we have no current issues on Azure (to my knowledge), but this is rather new, and I am do not really expect people to pass tens of parameters to the kernel
[17:52] <hggdh> juliank: it worked before per the OP. Also works if you add continuation lines after upgrading
[17:52] <juliank> That does not sound correct
[17:53] <juliank> You should see the same issue upgrading from 8.13 to 8.14 or 8.12 to 8.14
[17:53] <hggdh> OP on previous version: looks like it's 2.02-2ubuntu8.13 .... ~ mid-Dec '19
[17:53] <juliank> * to 8.13
[17:55] <juliank> So they made a change in their files between those and that blew up after the upgrade
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> Release team: The developer of Carla wants to get RC2 out shortly with a goal of final release on April 16th, the day before Final Freeze. What process do I need to go through to get the final release in before Final Freeze, such as exceptions?
[18:35] <ahasenack> Eickmeyer: it's called a Feature Freeze Exception
[18:35] <ahasenack> Eickmeyer: this is the process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> ahasenack: There are no new features between RC1 (in the repos) and final.
[18:36] <ahasenack> Eickmeyer: you mean rc2?
[18:36] <ahasenack> btw, I'm not in the release team, I just lurk here
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> ahasenack: RC2 will be released shortly, but there are no new features between RC1 and RC2. Feature Freeze only applies to *features* not bug fixes.
[18:37] <ahasenack> right
[18:38] <ahasenack> so that is described in that page too
[18:38] <Eickmeyer> I'm just concerned since final release will be a day before final freeze.
[18:38] <ahasenack> "FeatureFreeze for bugfix-only updates"
[18:39] <ahasenack> I think for final freeze only really critical uploads are accepted
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> So, simply stating "bugfix-only upload" in the changelog should do the trick.
[18:39] <ahasenack> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinalFreeze
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Yes, and I get that.
[18:39] <Eickmeyer> Not my first rodeo.
[18:39] <ahasenack> cool
[18:40] <Eickmeyer> Perhaps I just wanted to warn the release team so that they know what I'm doing when I do the uploads as I have PPU on that package.
[18:40] <ahasenack> it's good to check in here for that final release
[18:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (eoan-proposed/main) [1.183.4 => 1.183.5] (core, kernel)
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (bionic-proposed/main) [1.173.16 => 1.173.17] (core, kernel)
[19:55] <rbalint> hi all, i've an open ffe for systemd 245.2, if you would like to give it a try please check out ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/3801
[19:56] <rbalint> so far it looks good :-)


[01:46] <dewman> who is familier with mythburn? got a weird error at the end of the .iso creation. It creates the .iso ok but throws a permissions error....http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/KtuTB0UP
[01:48] <dewman> nm, just found that I am on the owner on that dir and not myth... ;)
[01:49] <dewman> that could be why.... =)
[05:03] <fluvvell> I need some help with the nbd-server part of mythbuntu-diskless, my nbd-server port is not showing as open.
[05:03] <fluvvell> how can I fix whats wrong with it?
[05:31] <fluvvell> Anybody thats not asleep that is. Wrong side of the world and all that. :-(
[06:20] <fluvvell> how do I restart nbd, via inetd ? restart inetd does not seem to do it
[13:45] <henkpoley> MythWelcome nowadays directly starts mythfrontend. It used to wait on recording startups. Is it possible to reenable the old behaviour?
[13:52] <henkpoley> Shouldn't ask these questions just before leaving :-P
[14:26] <Azelphur> tgm4883: finally fixed my transparent mythtv problem \o/
[14:26] <Azelphur> should it ever come up again, the answer is XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythfrontend
[15:48] <matt1982> hmm are ATI cards still bad choice for linux?
[15:49] <matt1982> I have an old box and just use it for mainly web dev so never needed to worry about gfx card etc it is however an ATI pci-e card
[15:52] <dewman> matt1982, I am using one right now on this box that I am on, it works....But I dont use it to play games. I also dont use the ATI drivers for it either.
[15:53] <matt1982> ahh cool just wanted to make sure it was upto the job heh.
[15:53] <matt1982> only really need it for DVD and freeview DVB-T etc
[15:54] <dewman> ahh, well I cant answer that. I dont watch dvd's on this thing...Surf, email, ssh thats about it...
[15:55] <matt1982> ahh right sorry I thought it was just a mythbuntu channel heh
[15:57] <dewman> matt1982, I am using mythbuntu.....=) Now that I think about it, I do have the frontend software on here...... And it does work.... Guess I should have mentioned that. =)
[15:57] <matt1982> hehe sorry my bad i forgot that there was backend too
[15:57] <rhpot1991> matt1982: nvidia works better if you want to offload your HD playback to the gpu
[15:57] <matt1982> stupid mee
[15:57] <rhpot1991> ati might do for you, but you are prob gonna need a beefy cpu then
[15:57] <matt1982> rhpot1991, what version nvidia was it? 8XXX that had HD decode. Although tbh I have no HD content heh
[15:58] <rhpot1991> !vdpau | matt1982
[15:58] <Zinn> matt1982: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU
[15:58] <matt1982> cool thanks
[15:58] <rhpot1991> matt1982: for dvds and SD content you may be ok then
[15:58] <matt1982> cool thanks
[15:59] <rhpot1991> matt1982: easiest way is to try
[15:59] <matt1982> is it a pain to swap cards? Ie if it is rubbish i can get a new card for like £30 this weekend
[15:59] <rhpot1991> shouldn't be
[15:59] <matt1982> i suppose i can reinstall
[15:59] <rhpot1991> just know that there are different pcie slots
[15:59] <matt1982> if i test first I won;'t lose much
[15:59] <rhpot1991> shoulnd't need to reinstall either
[15:59] <rhpot1991> just change from the ati to the nvidia drivers
[15:59] <rhpot1991> restricted driver manager should handle everything for you
[16:01] <matt1982> ahh cool thanks
[16:02] <matt1982> is mythbuntu optimised boot eg no drivers/services are loaded that aren't required etc
[16:03] <matt1982> just wondered I see they use a lighter weight window management which is great
[16:06] <rhpot1991> yep xfce
[16:06] <rhpot1991> and it should only load what your system needs (I think)
[16:07] <matt1982> coolio!
[16:07] <matt1982> can't wait to install tonight
[16:07] <rhpot1991> matt1982: if you are already running ubuntu you can install the mythtv packages on top of that to mess around with things at first
[16:08] <matt1982> it's a suse box i have so just going to scrub it as i dont really use it for much gonna test it out etc
[16:08] <matt1982> just out of interest has anyone got bluray to work with mythbuntu etc I noticed that the price of drives has dropped considerably
[16:10] <rhpot1991> matt1982: I play BR rips on mine
[16:10] <rhpot1991> no easy way to play back directly from the disc currently though
[16:11] <matt1982> :(
[16:11] <rhpot1991> matt1982: google for makemkv
[16:11] <matt1982> pity I would of even paid for the codec if that helped as it looks great so far
[16:12] <rhpot1991> 1080p mkv files do fine for me
[16:12] <matt1982> ahh cool
[16:12] <rhpot1991> I use nvidia to playback though so I can play those all over without worrying about cpu usage
[16:12] <rhpot1991> even on my ion box
[16:12] <rhpot1991> !frontend
[16:12] <Zinn> Ion Boxes make a great frontend.  http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/2
[16:14] <matt1982> ahh cool will check them out thanks
[16:16] <dmfrey> Good morning all...I have a question.  I have a master backend and a secondary backend.  Is it possible to reverse the roles of these two boxes?
[16:17] <matt1982> Zinn, they look really nice pity they don't appear in EU or UK
[16:17] <Zinn> Hi matt1982, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[16:17] <matt1982> oops I meant rhpot1991
[16:17] <dmfrey> I assume i chould change the configuration around so the secondary backend looks to itself and master backend now looks to the secondary backend, but would still have to move the data from the database, correct?
[16:22] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: got a test box to try it on?
[16:22] <rhpot1991> I'd make that a 2ndary backend, then dump your db and import it over there
[16:22] <rhpot1991> you might have to mess with the hosts in the db itself
[16:23] <dmfrey> rhpot1991: that is what i was thinking of doing...but no, don't have a spare machine lying around
[16:23] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: well make the 2ndary into a master before you disable your current master then
[16:23] <rhpot1991> make sure it works on its own, etc
[16:23] <dmfrey> right, that's what I would do
[16:23] <rhpot1991> it should be as simple as switching the rolls in MCC, and then importing your db and tweaking where the hosts are in there
[16:24] <dmfrey> that's what i am hoping :)
[16:24] <rhpot1991> I think the tuners queue off of those host entries
[16:24] <rhpot1991> if not you can try to tweak those or just drop and re-add
[16:24] <dmfrey> that shouldn't change at all...the tuners are staying where they are
[16:24] <rhpot1991> recordings should check any storage group
[16:26] <rhpot1991> dmfrey: ya I'm thinking it might say hey master backend has the HD-PVR and tries that on the wrong box.  I'm pretty sure those all key off of the hosts though.
[16:27] <dmfrey> it will be worth a shot...and hopefully easily recoverable if it doesn't just switch
[16:28] <rhpot1991> ya should be able to just nuke the db and reconfigure mythtv to point back at your master then
[18:36] <stefano> hi everyone! I've just installed 10-04 on a virtal machine and I would reach media on my host PC using Vista
[18:36] <stefano> can anone help me? where can I start?
[18:36] <stefano> I've tried wiki but I haven't found anything about it
[18:37] <stefano> the two machines can ping each other
[18:37] <stefano> and WMC from Vista sees Myth
[18:38] <stefano> I go eating now, otherway my little bride will kill me :-) See u soon!
[18:47] <rhpot1991> stefano: you need to setup a windows share with your media on it, then mount it in the VM using cifs, and then add that location to your videos storage group in mythtv-setup, then scan for changes in the videos section of mythtvfrontend
[18:47] <rhpot1991> but why are you running mythbuntu in a vm?
[18:52] <matt1982> hey I load mythbuntu (fresh install) and am getting an error, "(EE) Failed to load module "fglrx", (EE)No drivers available. Any ideas how to fix this do I need to install the fglrx driver or should I use the open driver?
[18:52] <rhpot1991> matt1982: you should install with the restricted driver manager
[18:52] <rhpot1991> which can me launched from MCC
[18:53] <matt1982> ahh cool thanks, is that Myth Control Center?
[18:54] <matt1982> hmm there is nothing in the "Restricted Driver Manager" rhpot1991, just an empty list :S
[18:54] <matt1982> The other two options AMD and Nvidia are greyed out in the MCC
[18:56] <rhpot1991> ya MCC is mythbuntu control centre
[18:57] <stefano> thx very mych rhpot1991! I'll try after dinner ;-) I'm using vm because I would test it (and Virtual Box too :-) ) before having a complete install
[18:57] <rhpot1991> stefano: ok, hardware can be a pain in a VM, which is why I ask
[18:57] <rhpot1991> matt1982: perhaps your card isn't supported by the current drivers then, might want to google the card model + ubuntu
[18:58] <stefano> by now I only would try cooperation between Myth and MS.
[18:58] <stefano> I would control also a KNX system with Mythbuntu
[18:58] <matt1982> okidoki will do, also quick question from a fersh install should I run the update manager?
[18:58] <stefano> do u know something about it?
[18:58] <matt1982> it says 139 updates etc
[18:58] <rhpot1991> stefano: no idea what it is
[18:58] <rhpot1991> matt1982: I would
[18:59] <stefano> rhpot: i'll try something and i'll tell u :-)
[18:59] <stefano> rhpot: KNX it's a home automation system. The only international standard
[19:06] <matt1982> hmm seems like my ATI card is too old the x1300 has been moved to legacy driver
[19:11] <rhpot1991> matt1982: you could try to install that, should be some modalias package that will make it available to the restricted driver manager as well
[22:44] <beauzeaux> I have a question regarding LIRC and erratic ir blasting. I have a mce remote / ir blaster installed and LIRC setup for the mceusb module. However irsend commands don't seem to go through, unless i spam them then they sporadically go through.
[23:02] <peter81> hi all, I downloaded the latest mythbuntu 10.04 lastnight and installed it on my HPG61 Laptop. The install went well, however when myth boots, I only ever get to a blank screen (there are some myth splash screens during bootup, but eventually just a blank screen). I suspect it's a video card driver issue, but my experience with linux is limited. Can anyone step me through how to solve
[23:02] <peter81> this problem?
[23:22] <beauzeaux> I can try and help but I'm no expert. Try ctrl + alt + f1
[23:22] <beauzeaux> it should give you a cmd prompt
[23:22] <peter81> hmm, ok, you mean once I'm at the blank screen?
[23:22] <beauzeaux> yea
[23:22] <peter81> ok, give me a min
[23:24] <peter81> nothing
[23:24] <peter81> no response to ctrl alt f1
[23:25] <beauzeaux> hmm... is mythbuntu the only operating system installed on the machine?
[23:25] <peter81> no, there's a windows os as well
[23:25] <peter81> there's a bootloader that lets me select which one I want
[23:25] <peter81> btw
[23:25] <peter81> the recovery selection doesn't work either
[23:25] <peter81> same symptoms
[23:25] <beauzeaux> k thats what i wanted to know and it gets the same error...
[23:26] <peter81> I would have thought that the recovery mode would load some fail safe drivers
[23:27] <beauzeaux> doesn't seem to be "failsafe" when it comes to x
[23:27] <beauzeaux> but i know there is some way to boot into just the command line
[23:27] <peter81> heh, ok
[23:28] <beauzeaux> alright reboot and when you get to the bootloader press e (or c) to get the grub command line
[23:29] <peter81> can do, one moment
[23:29] <peter81> ok
[23:29] <peter81> I'm there
[23:30] <peter81> I have a grub prompt
[23:30] <beauzeaux> alright can you select the memtest boot option
[23:30] <beauzeaux> or the recovery i guess
[23:30] <beauzeaux> and remove the splash and quiet words
[23:30] <beauzeaux> then hit b
[23:31] <peter81> mmm
[23:31] <peter81> oh, I know what you mean, one moment
[23:31] <beauzeaux> sorry been awhile since i used grub.
[23:34] <beauzeaux_> sorry bout that... had a reboot that i forgot about
[23:34] <beauzeaux_> did you get any meaningful output w/o the splash
[23:52] <Goldfisch> Anyone using firewire with your ubuntu/mythtv setup? I am trying to get it going, but not getting far with http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire
[23:52] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] FireWire - MythTV


[02:03] <OvenWerks> @Duke could you file a bug report against the DVDStylers package if it still doesn't work?
[02:04] <OvenWerks>  So far as I know 20.04 pre alpha is what dailies are
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> @Duke Anything outside of the Ubuntu archives isn't supported. Definitely a place where you'd have to file a bug with the authors of DVDStyler. If it doesn't work in 19.10 it certainly won't work in 20.04 at this stage. https://sourceforge.net/projects/dvdstyler/files/dvdstyler/
[17:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I thought we used to ship it... must have been some time ago. I don't have it in 18.04 either.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> I guess we ended up with devedeng
[17:35] <OvenWerks> I think we lost it due to bit rot.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Perhaps, but it's in active development. Must have been dropped by Debian for whatever reason.
 *coughs* https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dvdstyler/+publishinghistory
 was deleted in 2015.
 and apparently deleted in Debian too
 but I can't find the removal bug
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 I'm not in any hurry to get it back, but seems odd considering it's not a dead project. That said, the amount of DVDs being produced anymore is nil in comparison to online video.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> And we do have a dvd authering tool.
 that's why i'm looking for the debian removal bug and I can't find it
 it could be an issue with dependencies, looks like there've been some dep crashes among other things
[20:25] <OvenWerks> Yahoo!, my sons HUION drawing tablet just works with 19.10.
[20:25]  * OvenWerks finally got him his own system...
[20:26] <OvenWerks> I used to have to install another kernel module and scripts to get it to work.
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> Nice!
[23:57] <OvenWerks> Maybe I will feel like adding some basic tablet support now...


[12:54] <cmaloney> morning
[13:08] <brousch__> youarecorrectsir
[13:09] <cmaloney> Yay, finally something I can be right about
[13:10] <jrwren> good morning. How are you on this fine day?
[13:10] <cmaloney> Still unemployed, thinking I'm unemployable, and drinking coffee.
[13:10] <cmaloney> You? :)
[13:10] <brousch__> :(
[13:12] <jrwren> working and drinking coffee.
[13:15] <cmaloney> cool deal
[13:22] <brousch__> cmaloney: Have you started looking at anything outside of IT/programming?
[14:40] <cmaloney> Yeah, but I'm not sure what I can do other than dig ditches. :)
[14:41] <cmaloney> I think you need a Bachelors in ditch digging to even qualify anymore.
[14:41] <brousch__> Don't they have machines for that now?
[14:41] <cmaloney> Fucking robots. :)
[14:43] <cmaloney> Maybe I could become one o those 6-figure teachers I've heard so much about. ;)
[14:43]  * cmaloney is a little salty
[14:44]  * brousch__ will not lick cmaloney to confirm that statement
[14:45] <jrwren> if chromebooks can get good battery life, why can't linux laptops?
[14:46] <rick_h> jrwren: lies, chrome eats batteries for dinner. I've been told that.
[14:47] <brousch__> They can, if you strip down the install, tweak the kernel, and use power-efficient hardware
[14:55] <jrwren> ah, makes sense.
[14:56] <jrwren> so maybe in a year or two. IIRC a lot of the android kernel diffs got merged back into main linux branch. Maybe linux will be power efficient
[15:04] <rick_h> jrwren: heh, start usign linux with 4gb of ram?
[15:04]  * rick_h still can't believe that apple laptops default with 8
[15:05] <rick_h> "uuummm, this one has 'Pro' in the name. Surely that one gets more ootb?"
[15:07] <jrwren> rick_h: I know, but for $200, it was tempting for my kid.
[15:07] <rick_h> jrwren: the chromebook?
[15:07] <rick_h> oh definitely, they use them at my son's elementary school and I think they're pretty cool with the android app ability now
[15:08] <rick_h> I'll be tempted to get one for my son in a bit when he starts needing to use it for looking stuff up or writing
[15:08] <jrwren> oh, they do have the android app ability?
[15:08] <rick_h> yea
[15:08] <rick_h> https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/7021273?hl=en
[15:08] <jrwren> awesome.
[15:08] <rick_h> jrwren: looks like you need the right device: https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chrome-os-systems-supporting-android-apps
[15:11] <jrwren> so weird.
[15:12] <jrwren> i love tech. i hate this closed b.s.
[15:18] <rick_h> the android stuff? or what other closed BS?
[15:18] <brousch__> The problem I ran into with chromebooks for the kid was lack of Minecraft (and now Roblox)
[15:18] <rick_h> but you'd be able to run minecraft the android app right?
[15:18] <rick_h> my son plays it on his android phone current so assumed that would come along
[15:18] <brousch__> Well that would be Minecraft PE vs normal Minecraft
[15:19]  * rick_h is minecraft ignorant so zoom over my head
[15:19] <brousch__> There is Minecraft, and there is Pocket Edition. PE is stripped down and designed for touch screens.
[15:19] <rick_h> oic
[15:20] <brousch__> Different games, really, and cannot interact with each other
[15:20] <rick_h> ah, bummer
[15:25] <cmaloney> Yeah, like the differences between Civ for PC and Civ for the Nintendo DS
[15:25] <cmaloney> (is my age showing?)
[15:32] <jrwren> The closed stuff I dislike is... yeah, android :)  If chrome os can run android apps, why can't my linux?
[15:51] <jcastro> well, someone has to do the work first off
[15:54] <jrwren> I guess that is always the case, eh? google did it for chromeos but it isn't open source. Oh well.
[17:47] <rick_h> https://goo.gl/photos/F7ea2WpTDVaTyd948 I'm not sure how hard to laugh at this
[17:50] <cmaloney> blergh
[17:53] <jrwren> idle your car for 50min? or can engine be off and key in RUN position?
[17:54] <rick_h> yea, I think "run" is maybe with the key part turned (or in my keyless truck you hit the start button without foot on the brake)
[17:56] <jrwren> i wonder if there will be an alt market for dumb vehicles sometime soon.
[17:57] <jrwren> I want this UI back: http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/sku/AC_Delco/Climate_Control_Unit/AC1572267.html
[17:58] <rick_h> hah, I had a rental car last week
[17:58] <_stink_> jrwren++
[17:58] <rick_h> and it was that way and I was annoyed "what do you mean I have to switch heat and adjust the level?"
[17:58] <greg-g> jrwren: that's what I have in my '02 subaru :)
[17:58]  * rick_h is spoiled with dual climate set a temp and let it go
[17:58] <rick_h> I want my side 69...heat or cool or whatever you need to do to make it so jfdi
[17:58] <greg-g> I don't want a fancy computerized car
[17:59] <greg-g> but, I do want the CVT transmission
[17:59] <greg-g> (atm machine)
[17:59] <rick_h> +1
[17:59] <rick_h> oh wait, you want CVT?
[17:59]  * rick_h hates CVT
[17:59] <greg-g> yeah, better gas mileage
[17:59] <rick_h> hated that in the subaru
[17:59] <rick_h> got a stick instead of a CVT
[18:00] <greg-g> I'd really love an electric/hybrid outback
[18:00] <rick_h> I'm really curious to try out the wife's hybrid pacifica if it ever gets here
[18:00] <jrwren> yes rick_h, you want your android phone. I want the equiv of the grandpa flip phone for car UI.
[18:01] <jrwren> No bullshit, no toys and it works.
[18:01] <jrwren> honestly, the '12 Accord is just fine in that regard.
[18:01] <greg-g> or better, a small four-door electric/hybrid pickup truck.   I want an S10.
[18:02] <rick_h> jrwren: well cvt just sucks for actual power and offroad testing shows that it can't deliver the power like non-cvt
[18:02] <jrwren> electric S10 would be great :)
[18:02] <greg-g> Ranger >> s10
[18:02] <rick_h> lol
[18:02] <jrwren> yes, Range >> S10 when it comes to size and eating gas.
[18:02]  * rick_h had a ranger back in the day and hated it
[18:04] <jrwren> only reason I want a pickup is for the utility. 4'x8' bed so I can pickup my own drywall plz. :)
[18:04] <rick_h> yea, I've come to love my truck
[18:04] <rick_h> didn't want to get it at first but it is nice
[18:04] <rick_h> when I had the ranger really only used hte bed a couple of times
[18:05] <rick_h> greg-g: colorado you can get in diesel now :) though I've never been in one so no experience with em
[18:05] <jrwren> would you trust GM and small diesel?
[18:06] <rick_h> we'll see. I <3 diesel
[18:10] <jrwren> me too. its just, GM doesn't have a very good record with small diesel engines.
[18:12]  * greg-g doesn't know those kinds of things
[18:12] <jrwren> Maybe I'm too anti-GM given I contracted for them for 5yrs :p
[18:13] <greg-g> heh
[18:35] <greg-g> "momma! momma! can you help me?! My underwear are inside out!"
[18:35] <greg-g> working from home you hear the darndest things
[18:35] <_stink_> haha
[18:35] <_stink_> yes
[18:36] <rick_h> lol
[18:36] <jrwren> babies!
[18:36] <jrwren> <3


[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[09:25] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1995/detail/  is now up and running
[15:02] <paultag> czajkowski: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2012-September/001659.html ← links are both dead


[00:53] <maco> the wiki page is not kept up to date with psychocats. it's 2 years behind. no reason to bother linking to it when the actual source is correct and updated
[00:53] <pangolin> !purekde is <reply> If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde »
[00:54] <pangolin> !no purekde is <reply> If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde »
[00:54] <pangolin> until someone decides to update the wiki
[00:54] <maco> id rather delete the wiki page
[00:54] <maco> there is no point in trying to keep the pages in sync
[00:55] <pangolin> I think the idea was to have factoids link to more "official" pages
[00:55] <maco> so make the wiki page a link to psychocats?
[00:56] <pangolin> that is a good idea too
[00:56] <maco> This is a landing page. The data you want is available from <link>
[00:56] <maco> probably annoying too though
[00:56] <pangolin> can't it redirect automagically
[00:57] <pangolin> ?
[00:57] <maco> if we had html or javascript... but i dont think it can redirect to anything other than other wiki pages
[00:57] <pangolin> linking to psychocats is fine by me.
[00:58] <maco> erm not normal html...the thing in <head> where you can redirect. i forget what its called
[00:58] <maco> a meta tag maybe
[00:58] <maco> but we cant edit the head anyway
[01:10] <Flannel> We've had psychocats links forever, they stay up to date, give a pretty balanced view, and give caveats (* acccurate as of the last time someone took the time to look)
[01:11] <pangolin> for what it is worth psychocats has never failed me when I have needed to to a pure*de cleanup
[01:11] <Flannel> Originally there were a few 'bad' pages, but the author was fairly receptive to criticism
[11:48] <jrib> I have to leave in a bit, but someone should keep an eye out for more ban evasion from fuzzylogic
[11:49] <Pici> I'll try, but no promises.
[15:11] <Pici> !helpersnack | mneptok
[15:12] <mneptok> ubottu !c is for cookie! that's good enough for me!
[15:13] <mneptok> (C is also for escaping lower level languages, but cookie monsters always use ASM, so ...)
[15:13] <Myrtti> right
[15:13] <Myrtti> at this point the discussion at #ubuntu reaches my break point
[15:14]  * mneptok is still 2 inputlines away from that point
[15:15] <mneptok> oh! i have to go uncover and wake pet birds! i get to bail, GUILT-FREE!
[15:15]  * mneptok tootles off
[15:15] <genii-around> It sucks that now the cookie monster can't just go crazy with the cookie-eating. They had to get responsible and make cookies a "sometimes snack". Watching him eat broccoli or so just isn't the same
[19:47] <guntbert> hi, after some talk with ikonia we both agreed that !java could use a better/different wording, after some thinking I found something I like better
[19:47] <guntbert> no !java is To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[20:09] <LjL> !java
[20:09] <LjL> guntbert: is help.ubuntu.com up to date there now? i think that other page was put there because it was a bit crap
[20:10] <genii-around> And of course it's not even in the repos at all anymore so the current factoid is useless
[20:10] <guntbert> genii-around: it is not in the partner repos any more?
[20:10] <genii-around> Nope
[20:11] <LjL> uh, so people are just not supposed to use Java anymore, instead go with one of the half-working third-party implementations... or what?
[20:11] <guntbert> LjL: I'm not *that* sure about up-to-datedness
[20:12] <guntbert> but it mentions lucid...
[20:13] <LjL> it's all a bit sad. the wiki, the repos... :\
[20:15] <LjL> oh well
[20:15] <LjL> !no java is <reply> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[20:15]  * Pici elects LjL as wiki champion
[20:15] <LjL> @login
[20:15] <LjL> !no java is <reply> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[20:15] <genii-around>  There is a sun java for 11.10 in a PPA
[20:16] <Pici> That doesn't sound legal.
[20:16] <Pici> 16:16:17 <axisys> how do I install sun java ?
[20:16] <guntbert> LjL: thx - I'll  be on my way again :)
[20:17] <LjL> Pici: i have worked on the wiki a bit before, but honestly i guess the thing is that once it becomes very outdated (and for some reason it has become so), few people will even bother trying to fix it
[20:18] <LjL> i'm hardly going to overhaul a wiki that's all about Lucid and earlier myself
[20:18] <LjL> guntbert: yeah i know, it's not been changed. bot hates me :(
[20:18] <guntbert> back again - LjL your edit didn't take it seems
[20:18] <LjL> try now
[20:18] <guntbert> :)
[20:19] <guntbert> well done - bye
[21:03] <topyli> i'm pretty sure i have sun java, from the canonical partner repo
[21:14] <genii-around> topyli: Sure it's not openjdk-7-jre from universe instead?
[21:15] <topyli> i'm pretty sure it's sun java. let me check
[21:16] <topyli> yes sun-java6 packages
[21:18] <genii-around> topyli: http://paste.ubuntu.com/719192/
[21:24] <topyli> genii-around: i don't know. maybe you don't have the canonical partner repo enabled
[21:24]  * topyli tries to look again
[21:25] <genii-around> topyli: See lines 25,32,33...
[21:25] <topyli> archive.canonical.com - is that supposed to be it?
[21:25] <genii-around> Yup
[21:25] <genii-around> You likely have the remnants from when you installed on 10.04 or so
[21:26] <topyli> i don't know what's going on then. i certainly got mine from there, i didn't go to oracle
[21:29] <topyli> http://paste.ubuntu.com/719205/
[21:30] <Myrtti> ooer
[21:31] <topyli> i don't otherwise even care, but i happen to be a customer of a very stupid bank which has hanged itself into sun's stupid java
[21:38] <ikonia> it's a major issue for one of my clients who's application is only certified with Sun java
[22:05] <topyli> ikonia: that's the case with my bank too. they just won't work with icedtea
[22:07] <ikonia> topyli: this is a major telephony infrastructure provider, it was looking at bundling a linux workstation as part of it's managment tools install.
[22:08] <topyli> well, sun java is available. it's just an annoyance, shouldn't stop you
[22:08] <Pici> s/sun/oracle/
[22:08] <topyli> Pici: the java is still called sun java :)
[22:08] <Pici> :(
[22:09] <ikonia> topyli: well, it will stop ubuntu being an option (there where other issues too, but this is a show stopper)
[22:09] <ikonia> it's called Oracle java now
[22:09] <topyli> oh
[22:09] <ikonia> sad
[22:09] <topyli> the ubuntu package is still called sun-java*
[22:09] <ikonia> the little java man logo is dead
[22:10] <topyli> boo
[22:10] <ikonia> my heart is broken, the Sun logo was one of the best, the java man logo was fun, now it's just the cup of coffee or the oracle logo
[22:12] <topyli> i've never even cared much about java, in fact i've struggled with enough java apps which were terrible
[22:12] <topyli> but it's still sad to see it go like this
[22:12] <ikonia> heart breaking
[22:13] <topyli> sun's destiny as a whole is very sad
[22:13] <topyli> it's like a classic "rise and fall" story
[22:16] <topyli> not so many years ago, i was working on my university's sun workstations (and some irix ones too, for that matter). they were awesome. no more awesome unix workstations for topyli
[22:16] <topyli> just linux pc's
[22:18] <topyli> heh. i was no CS student or anything of course, i studied history. but i used to go to their computers and surf the web, and see how they work
[22:19] <topyli> we humanists just had dos and later win95 pc's.
[22:19] <topyli> at least dos worked, win95 taught me to save my documents often
[22:20] <topyli> bah, this is not a good channel for my nostalgia anyway. sorry


[00:43] <Guest65> Hi there!
[00:43] <Guest65> Im in need of some help
[00:43] <Guest65> I want to get Ubuntu running on my MacBook Pro mid-2015
[00:44] <Guest65> and was wondering if anyone else has done the same, and seen any dramatic performance degradations because of it
[00:45] <Guest65> oh sorry, I realized this is the wrong channel


[00:01] <nhaines> Fujitsu: It worked!  Thanks so much!  :D
[00:01] <Fujitsu> nhaines: No problem.
[00:03] <nhaines> I might be able to start packaging other things after all!  ;)
[00:08] <nhaines> Hmm, actually, it doesn't appear to have built a binary package.
[00:12] <Fujitsu> It has.
[00:12] <Fujitsu> The binary won't be visible until :20, however.
[00:13] <Fujitsu> The UI is confusing in this respect. That will hopefully be improved next release.
[00:16] <nhaines> Oh!  Well, that's good to know then!  :)
[00:17] <nhaines> Binary listings update at every :20, then?
[00:18] <Fujitsu> New sources and binaries are published at :00, :20, :40.
[00:19] <Fujitsu> That's why it wouldn't build until after :00. Your PPA hadn't actually been published yet, so it couldn't grab a package list from it.
[00:21] <nhaines> Oh!  That all makes sense!  Yes, and I even see it correctly built a _all.deb, so everything's perfect.
[00:22] <Fujitsu> Very good.
[00:26] <nhaines> Can I make it build for hardy, too?  There shouldn't be any changes necessary.
[00:29] <Fujitsu> nhaines: Of course. However, the version number must be different. You may want to look into autoppa.
[00:35] <CharlesEdwardPax> Does anyone have any knowledge they would like to share regarding how "Featured Projects" are selected on the Launchpad front page?
[00:43] <nhaines> Fujitsu: version must be different.  I will do a Google search on autoppa.
[00:43] <nhaines> CharlesEdwardPax: They are handpicked by the launchpad team.
[00:51] <CharlesEdwardPax> Oh, that pretty neat the. I'm a developer for Gladex and I just noticed yesterday our project is on the list. Very cool.
[00:51] <CharlesEdwardPax> Thank
[00:51] <CharlesEdwardPax> you
[01:38] <LaserJock> I just registered a project that uses svn. I edited the source of "trunk" and gave it the URL. Is that the right way to get the vcsimport?
[01:39] <LaserJock> and do I need to "ask a question" to get it tested?
[01:41] <lifeless> please ask a question
[01:42] <lifeless> that ensures the right people have a notification that it is actually cared about
[01:42] <LaserJock> righteo
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #195275 in malone "0 bytes attachments make files not to be attached" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195275
[01:59] <xanalogica> new to launchpad; can't find how to change my settings (pgp key) after logging in;  "action" menu mentioned in launchpad docs just after logging in on root page is not there.  help?
[02:00] <nhaines> Try https://launchpad.net/+me/+editpgpkeys
[02:00] <nhaines> (You can find this while logged in on your own user page)
[02:01] <Fujitsu> xanalogica: The actions menu mentioned is on https://launchpad.net/people/+me
[02:02] <xanalogica> says "Lost something?" no such URL.  How can I get to my own user page.  I go to https://launchpad.net and log in successfully but I don't see anything related to me.
[02:02] <Fujitsu> Or use nhaines's URL, but with a /people before the /+me
[02:02] <Fujitsu> xanalogica: You can probably click your name in the top right-hand corner to get to that page.
[02:02] <xanalogica> ah, using that url worked; any idea why there isn't a way to click to my personal page, instead of that url?
[02:03] <xanalogica> (or why logging in doesn't take me there?)  thanks for helping!
[02:04] <Fujitsu> xanalogica: As I said, the link with your name in the top right-hand corner of any Launchpad page should get you there.
[02:04] <xanalogica> sorry, our msgs crossed in time;  thanks!
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #123825 in ubuntu "Add search functionality in translation website  of launchpad" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123825
[04:07] <Fujitsu> Dupe.
[04:08] <thumper> Fujitsu: now all you want is an irc bot that knows you, and can log the duplicate :-)
[04:09] <thumper> Fujitsu: we'd just have to work out how to tell it what it is a dupe of
[04:09] <mwhudson> that one's bug 44
[04:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to Данило Шеган (danilo)
[04:09] <thumper> Fujitsu: although if you look at the bug number, ubotu is confused, as it isn't a new bug
[04:09] <thumper> mwhudson: how did you know that?
[04:10] <mwhudson> thumper: dunno, see enough references to something and it sticks i guess
[04:10] <mwhudson> thumper: maybe the launchpad bugtask is new
[04:29] <Fujitsu> thumper: ubotu isn't confused, it just doesn't know which bugtask it should be showing.
[04:29] <Fujitsu> I guess that is confused FSVO of confused, but not what you were saying.
[06:10] <pschulz01> jamesh: Howdy! Thank you for your email - bug-export.mc
[06:10] <jamesh> pschulz01: no problem.
[06:10] <jamesh> pschulz01: can I ask what project this is for?
[06:12] <pschulz01> jamesh: Yes :-) but not immediatly helpful I'm afraid. I need to evaluate JIRA and FogBugs for an internal work project..
[06:12] <pschulz01> .. but if I can get my head around how the schema's for these other bug trackers work, I mige be able to assist in exporters for them as well.
[06:13] <pschulz01> Either way.. a useful intermediate format is well.. useful.
[08:35] <mdke> danilos: quick question. If I correct some broken po files for ubuntu-docs and upload them with the package, will rosetta use the corrected strings? Even if I am not a member of the relevant translation team for a particular language? or do the translation team's strings take precedence?
[08:36] <mdke> obviously, if anyone else knows the answer too...
[08:38] <mdke> i'll be away but i'll pick up any answer if it hilights me
[09:16] <ubotu> New bug: #68821 in kdeadmin "Kubuntu System settings window translation broken (dup-of: 133315)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68821
[09:23] <danilos> mdke: it should be enough for you to do it
[11:15] <qense_> Is this channel also for questions about launchpad?
[11:16] <qense_> I'd like to ask how you can set up packages like ubuntu has to file bugs against a part of software
[11:17] <qense_> the thing I'm working on has modules and it would really make things easier if I could file bugs against one of those modules
[11:21] <Fujitsu> qense_: You have a couple of options.
[11:21] <qense_> ok
[11:21] <qense_> which? :)
[11:22] <Fujitsu> You can create a project group, which could have a project for each module; or you can just use one project with tags to separate the modules.
[11:22] <qense_> but the way ubuntu does this? They don't use both ways.
[11:23] <Fujitsu> We are a distribution.
[11:23] <Fujitsu> That has other caveats.
[11:23] <qense_> oh
[11:23] <Fujitsu> And is semantically incorrect.
[11:23] <qense_> thanks
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #195423 in launchpad "Don't send bug watch updates for already fixed bugs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195423
[13:23] <ffm> How do I get a sprint/meeting added to launchpad?
[13:25]  * Hobbsee ponders whether she wants to be a part of the LP beta team.
[13:26] <ffm> Hobbsee: you do.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> ffm: why?
[13:27] <ffm> Hobbsee: you get all the cool BT benifits.
[13:27] <ffm> Hobbsee: like mailing lists (for teams), announements..
[13:28] <Fujitsu> Announcements are production, mailing lists aren't dependent on BT...
[13:28]  * Hobbsee is disappointed with a project that deliberately causes users to be harassed, and to lose their privacy.
[13:28] <Hobbsee> is that something i *really* want to be associated with, at all?
[13:28] <ffm> Hobbsee: oh, that.
[13:28] <ffm> Hobbsee: well, I'm complaining loudly about it.
[13:28] <TFKyle> Hobbsee: what project is that?
[13:28] <ffm> TFKyle: launchpad.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> TFKyle: launchpad beta testers, and launchpad development in general
[13:29] <ffm> TFKyle: ie. "You must use your real name, no chat names"
[13:29] <TFKyle> hmm, didn't know about any harassing
[13:29] <TFKyle> ah
[13:29] <Hobbsee> TFKyle: by forcing a real name, you're forcing that some users will get harassed.
[13:29] <Hobbsee> so much for freedom, etc.
[13:29] <ffm> TFKyle: I was kicked off LPBT for "ffm", even though I had talked to mrevell spesificaly about it and he let me join.
[13:29] <ffm> irony is that mrevell kicked me off.
[13:31] <Hobbsee> ffm: from what i've spoken to him about it a while ago, i suspect he's just following orders....
[13:33] <ffm> Hobbsee: and this decision was made w/o community input?
[13:34] <Hobbsee> ffm: of course.  launchpad is a canonical project - since when does the community come into it?
[13:38] <qense_> Wouldn't it be good for launchpad to add some kind of marketplace? Where people can offer and ask for people.
[13:39] <qense_> Like 'open-source-project' looks for skilled C++ developer for 'project on launchpad'
[13:39] <qense_> or 'launchpad-user' is looking for development function. (s)he knows PHP, C++, MySQL Ogre 3D
[13:40] <qense_> that way projects and developers, but also bug managers, template designers and more, can find each other much easier
[13:40] <ffm> Hobbsee: meh.
[13:40] <ScottK> ffm: It's an important distinction.
[13:42] <qense_> But what's the reason they want to know your real name when being a member of a mail list? I understand that they want to know that from people from BugControl or MOTU, since they're working with important stuff, but for the LPBT mailinglist?
[13:42] <ffm> ScottK: which is why launchpad should be OSS, so we can have the power to fork.
[13:42] <Fujitsu> It's not the mailing list.
[13:42] <Fujitsu> It's LPBT.
[13:43] <ffm> Fujitsu: I'd think just telling the admins would be enough.
[13:43] <ScottK> ffm: It's not.
[13:43] <ffm> Fujitsu: mrevell knows who I am, and I spesificaly explained my situation to him, and he agreed to let me join 3 months ago.
[13:43] <mrevell> Hi ffm
[13:44] <ScottK> Well that confirms the arbitrariness of the requirement then.
[13:45] <mrevell> Okay, I want to clear something up: we're not forcing *anyone* to use their real name. Membership of the beta team is entirely optional.
[13:45] <qense_> But why do you want to know the real name?
[13:45] <qense_> What's the use of that?
[13:46] <qense_> I can understand it for teams like BugControl,like I said before, but for LPBT?
[13:46] <ScottK> mrevell: You are if they want to participate in the Deta.
[13:46] <ScottK> Deta/Beta
[13:46] <mrevell> However, I'm definitely up for listening to ideas and reasons against/for it and putting it back to the LP tam.
[13:46] <ScottK> mrevell: You clearly don't even care if it's their actual name.  It makes no sense at all.
[13:46] <Fujitsu> We have reasons against, but I haven't seen any for it recently.
[13:47] <mrevell> ScottK: I'm not sure I understand. We're not forcing anyone to do anything. If someone *wants* to join the beta team they can way up whether or not they like the conditions.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: they're sekrit
[13:47] <mrevell> ScottK: And of course we care it's their actual name. We trust that people will provide us with their real name. If they choose to be dishonest, that's a shame but we're coming at it from a position of trust.
[13:47] <ScottK> mrevell: It's a senseless arbitrary requirement.  If you want to enforce it, it's entirely your business, but don't pretend it makes sense.
[13:48] <ScottK> But if that were the only issue, you'd just need to know it, not use it in LP.
[13:48] <ScottK> The only thing putting it in LP affects is appearances.
[13:51] <mrevell> We've been up-front about this requirement since we introduced it a few months ago. We ask people for their real names because we believe that's the best way to foster openness and trust in the beta team. It's a pretty minor requirement, IMO. We're not asking anyone to sign a NDA and we only ask you to provide feedback if you choose to. Joining and participating in the beta team is optional and carries very few conditi
[13:52] <mrevell> We've had discussions about the relative merits of the policy on launchpad-users list and I know that it makes some people uncomfortable to publish their identity. That's fine and I understand the reasons people give.
[13:53] <ScottK> There's no need to defend it.  It's Canonical's right to establish whatever policies they want.
[13:53] <mrevell> If at some stage we did, for example (and this is just an example off the top of my head) ask people not to post screen shots of the interface, then we believe such an agreement holds weight if we have someone's real name.
[13:53] <ScottK> I've yet to see any non-Canoncial employee speak in favor of this.
[13:53] <ScottK> It holds equal weight whether you do or you don't.
[13:54] <mrevell> ScottK: Of the 800 or so beta team members I've only seen a few speak against it.
[13:54] <Hobbsee> yes, we're troublesome people
[13:54] <ffm> mrevell: however, you can set up a way for _canonical_ to have our names, but not the world.
[13:54] <ScottK> What fraction of your team members are women and what fraction of the women have spoken against it?
[13:54] <Hobbsee> ScottK: who says it's just women getting harassed?  and that doesn't delve into privacy alone, either
[13:55] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Agreed.
[13:55] <ScottK> It's just that, unfortunately, the reality is they are rather more likely to have trouble.
[13:55] <ScottK> mrevell: It's rare people that would have trouble with using their real names, so few complaints is what I would expect.
[13:56] <mrevell> Look, I'm sorry that some people have been harassed through the exposure of the true identity on the web. However, if you worry that you'll be harassed then simply choose not to join the team.
[13:56] <ScottK> Silence is not concurrence.
[13:56] <ScottK> mrevell: Certainly.  But that's no answer at all really.
[13:56] <mrevell> ScottK: It's not silence! These are people who have accepted the terms of the beta team.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> mrevell: do they apply retroactively?
[13:56] <ScottK> Just because they've accepted the requirement for themselves, doesn't mean they think it's generally a good idea.
[13:57] <ScottK> Personally (not in beta-testers) I use my real name on LP and don't care.  I do care about people who don't want to being forced to do it.
[13:58] <mrevell> We're going round in circles. You keep using the word "forced". No one is being forced to do anything. I appreciate that you feel strongly about this. Clearly, the majority of the beta team don't because they have not complained.
[13:59] <BUGabundo> hi guys and gals
[13:59] <mrevell> hi BUGabundo
[13:59] <ScottK> mrevell: You're distinction about forced if they want to participate is a distinction without difference from my perspective.
[13:59] <BUGabundo> is mattew here?
[13:59] <mrevell> BUGabundo: I'm here
[13:59] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: ^
[13:59] <mrevell> ScottK: Well, then you're disagreeing with the English language, not me :)
[13:59] <BUGabundo> ahh, its you.. didn't know the nick
[14:00] <mrevell> how can I help you BUGabundo?
[14:00] <ScottK> mrevell: Not at all.  It's the same argument that people make when they say that only people who have something to hide need to be against search and seizure protections.
[14:00] <BUGabundo> mrevell: shouldn't the nobody username be registered?
[14:00] <BUGabundo> it was created by an user on LP!
[14:00] <Fujitsu> I was wondering about that too, BUGabundo.
[14:00] <Fujitsu> As it's special in the email interface, it should probably be blacklisted.
[14:00] <mrevell> BUGabundo: You mean should it be a reserved name?
[14:01] <BUGabundo> and there are a few other, I've seen along the years
[14:01] <BUGabundo> ype mrevell
[14:01] <mrevell> intellectronica: Hey, intellectronica - BUGabundo asks if the nobody user name should be a reserved name
[14:01] <BUGabundo> *yep
[14:01] <BUGabundo> its already in use
[14:01] <BUGabundo> by and andrew something
[14:02] <BUGabundo> if the mail interface for bugs uses it to unsubscrive bugs....
[14:02] <BUGabundo> it makes some sense
[14:02] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: let me check. that's either a bug, or a bug in the documentation (or both)
[14:02] <BUGabundo> see the email I've sent to launchpad ML
[14:02] <BUGabundo> > Unassign the bug.
[14:02] <BUGabundo> >
[14:02] <BUGabundo> > {{{
[14:02] <BUGabundo> >  assignee nobody
[14:02] <BUGabundo> > }}}
[14:03] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~nobody
[14:04] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: yes, that's definitely a bug - it should have been impossible for that Andrew to use this username. the bug email interface works correctly, though
[14:04] <BUGabundo> or user: https://edge.launchpad.net/~user
[14:04] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: thanks a lot for pointing that out!
[14:04] <BUGabundo> there is a bunch
[14:05] <BUGabundo> just try different usernames, and you will fine many
[14:05] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~date
[14:05]  * ffm is away
[14:05] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: why is ~user a problem?
[14:05] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu
[14:05] <BUGabundo> intellectronica: shouldn't it be reserved?
[14:05] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: reserved for what?
[14:06] <BUGabundo> who knows? future usage
[14:06] <mrevell> intellectronica: reserved as in unavailable to register
[14:06] <BUGabundo> still, its too common.... shouldn't be a username
[14:06] <BUGabundo> yes, mrevell
[14:06] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~username
[14:06] <BUGabundo> lololol
[14:06] <zasf> is this the right channel for questions about launchpad/bzr/branching?
[14:07] <BUGabundo> I'm getting better at fiding them
[14:07] <intellectronica> zasf: sure
[14:07] <zasf> I created my own project with a trunk and releases series (and their branch)
[14:07] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu
[14:07] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~xubuntu
[14:07] <BUGabundo> come on!! didn't any one ever notice this??
[14:07] <zasf> trunk is wehre I develop, releases is there just for release fixings
[14:08] <zasf> I'm now ready for version 0.0.2
[14:08] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: most of these are OK. it's just nobody that's a problem, and that's quite a subtle bug
[14:08] <BUGabundo> lol. there should be a dictionary
[14:08] <BUGabundo> with not allowed words / names
[14:09] <zasf> from branch releases I did a 'bzr pull http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~matteozandi/pycw/trunk'
[14:09] <zasf> because I wanted to pull my new changes and commit a new version of the program
[14:09] <zasf> but bzr says that the two branches diverged..
[14:10] <zasf> of course they are different :) but if I intend it well, releases will always be touched only when a new release is out, correct?
[14:10] <zasf> what am i doing wrong?
[14:10] <BUGabundo> who is Daniel Tanham? https://edge.launchpad.net/~me
[14:11] <Fujitsu> zasf: You should probably have a separate branch for each release. Having one for all releases doesn't make sense.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> intellectronica and mrevell do you guys want me to collect a few exceptional cases, and email them to you, for review?
[14:12] <BUGabundo> or is this situation ok?
[14:12] <zasf> Fujitsu: so I think i didn't get the point about having a releases branch
[14:13] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: i think most of those, other than ~nobody are ok, but if you find something that you think might be a problem then by all means, report
[14:13] <mrevell> BUGabundo: That would be interesting to see, yeah! Thanks
[14:13] <BUGabundo> isn't ubuntu or kubuntu a prob too?
[14:13] <Fujitsu> zasf: As I released 0.1, I'd create a new branch for 0.1.x, and push that to the 0.1 release series on Launchpad. Fixes can happen there.
[14:14] <Fujitsu> When I released 0.2, I'd create a new branch from trunk, etc.
[14:14] <zasf> Fujitsu: ok thanks
[14:17] <BUGabundo> mrevell: here is a funny one: https://edge.launchpad.net/~palerma
[14:17] <BUGabundo> palerma is portuguese for sucker
[14:18] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~administrator or https://edge.launchpad.net/~admin, is a small problem, I guess, right intellectronica ?
[14:19] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: that's not, technically, a problem - it doesn't collide with anything like ~nobody does
[14:19] <BUGabundo> but it might create confusion to users
[14:19] <BUGabundo> like ~login
[14:19] <qense_> is it possible to do an advanced search in the projects? Like all projects with 'string' in their name and PHP as programmin language?
[14:27] <mrevell> BUGabundo: Thanks :) I think that, unless a name is offensive or could be confusing, we wouldn't want to prevent someone from using it. presumably palerma isn't offensive :)
[14:27] <BUGabundo> only to him self
[14:28] <BUGabundo> but since I guess HE was the ONE to choose it, I see no prob
[14:28] <BUGabundo> but if someelse is doing a dirty job, and somekind of google bomb, it wouldn't be nice
[14:30] <BUGabundo> by the way, mrevell
[14:30] <BUGabundo> is staging able to receive and process test emails ?
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #195446 in launchpad "`nobody` should be an invalid username" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195446
[14:31] <BUGabundo> something like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[14:34] <BUGabundo> mrevell ?
[14:34] <mrevell> sorry
[14:34] <BUGabundo> no prob...
[14:35] <mrevell> BUGabundo: I'm not sure, let me check.
[14:35] <mrevell> intellectronica: Does the email bug interface work on staging? See BUGabundo's question above.
[14:35] <intellectronica> BUGabundo, mrevell: yes, it can receive emails
[14:35] <mrevell> thanks Tom
[14:35] <intellectronica> but it doesn't send out emails, for obvious reasons
[14:35] <BUGabundo> oh no? so how can I see it working?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> let me give it a test
[14:37] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: what do you need it for?
[14:37] <BUGabundo> testing
[14:47] <BUGabundo> can't see my bug report (via email) on staging, intellectronica
[14:48] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: let me check
[14:50] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: bear in mind that it doesn't happen immediately. it take a couple of minutes
[14:51] <BUGabundo> ok... I'll await
[14:51] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: b.t.w https://launchpad.net/~nobody :)
[14:53] <BUGabundo> saw it, and subscrived to it... see me in the bottom: Fernando Pereira
[14:53] <BUGabundo> intellectronica: will staging bugs show up on my edge home/bug page?
[14:54] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo or only in https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/~bugabundo ?
[14:54] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: no - it uses a different database. that's the whole point in staging - to allow us to test without polluting the real data
[14:55] <BUGabundo> mrevell: any bug against LP, for making a version available that groups bugs/blueprints/code for diferent projects?
[14:55] <BUGabundo> thanks intellectronica, I'll keep cheking it every few minutes-
[14:56] <mrevell> BUGabundo: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean
[14:57] <BUGabundo> well, I'm in several projects
[14:57] <BUGabundo> but if I go to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~bugabundo
[14:57] <BUGabundo> all bugs are layed out there,, with no easy way to see to which project they belogn
[14:57] <BUGabundo> *belong
[14:58] <BUGabundo> there should be a way to group them by the "In" field
[14:58] <BUGabundo> brb, seller at the door.
[15:03] <matsubara> BUGabundo, intellectronica: there was an error in the email you submitted to the staging mailbox.
[15:05] <matsubara> intellectronica: BUGabundo's email looks correct though, can you check the error message? It seems to be using the correct syntax but the mail interface replied with an error
[15:06] <matsubara> intellectronica: https://pastebin.canonical.com/2754/
[15:07] <intellectronica> matsubara: yes, i know, i subsequently sent an email that should be ok
[15:40] <BUGabundo> back, let me see intellectronica
[15:42] <BUGabundo> intellectronica: I didn't get any email form staging
[15:43] <intellectronica> BUGabundo: as i already said - staging doesn't send any email
[15:43] <BUGabundo> actually comment should have gone to matsubara
[15:43] <BUGabundo> lol
[15:43] <BUGabundo> either that, or it is on gmails spam box... I'll have to check it latter
[15:43] <BUGabundo> yeah, I forgot, intellectronica
[15:44] <BUGabundo> so how can I check the error?
[15:44] <BUGabundo> brb, password mess downstairs!
[15:44] <matsubara> BUGabundo: I checked already and for some strange reason your email didn't get through. It seems to be using the correct syntax
[16:14] <BUGabundo> it must. I've copy paste from the help email
[16:14] <BUGabundo> lol
[16:15] <BUGabundo> maybe it is the sign key, matsubara
[16:16] <matsubara> we have a specific message for errors in the sign key, so I don't think that's it
[16:16] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:16] <BUGabundo> should I send a new email, trying to change something to help catch the error?
[16:17] <BUGabundo> hummm
[16:17] <BUGabundo> I know
[16:17] <BUGabundo> I assinged my self the bug, but I'm not a member of the FF team
[16:17] <BUGabundo> could that be it?
[16:21] <matsubara> BUGabundo: don't think so.
[16:21] <matsubara> I'll grab some lunch now and will look into this later on.
[16:21] <BUGabundo> ok, could you try emailing staging and see if YOU get an error ?!
[16:22] <BUGabundo> me hungry too
[16:22] <matsubara> I did that. I'm waiting the error email :-)
[16:22] <BUGabundo> but staging doesn't email back
[16:23] <BUGabundo> at least that is what intellectronica told me twice
[16:28] <matsubara> sorry if I wasn't clear. I have access to the mailbox where all the errors go to
[16:28] <matsubara> lunch time!
[16:38] <BUGabundo> ok matsubara-lunch. thanks for the update
[17:05] <wbrady> can somebody please help me with question number 25435 in launchpad?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> bug #25435
[17:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 25435 in pyorbit "pyorbit: new changes from Debian require merging" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25435 - Assigned to Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
[17:06] <wbrady> its not a bug, just a question in launchpad answers
[17:32] <mathiaz> hi - is there a way I can get all the email addresses of the members of a team I administrate ?
[17:37] <Rinchen> mathiaz, not as a big list, I don't think so. You certainly will not be able to see emails from those members who have chosen to hide them.
[17:38] <mathiaz> Rinchen: right - I've changed the contact address of the team from nothing to a mailing list.
[17:38] <mathiaz> Rinchen: I'd like to invite all the members to the new mailing list.
[17:38] <Rinchen> ah I see. There's a bug filed that barry is working on
[17:38] <Rinchen> which will alert all users to the availability of a new mailing list
[17:38] <mathiaz> Rinchen: right - but this is not a LP mailing list.
[17:39] <mathiaz> Rinchen: it's a ml on lists.ubuntu.com
[17:39] <Rinchen> I see. Ok. well....
[17:39] <Rinchen> that's a tough one at the moment
[17:39] <mathiaz> Rinchen: the contact address for ubuntu-server is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:39] <Rinchen> you could always email the old list
[17:39] <mathiaz> Rinchen: there wasn't an old email list.
[17:39] <Rinchen> and edit your team's  description
[17:40] <Rinchen> mathiaz, I face the same problem with the Ubuntu EO translators.
[17:40] <mathiaz> Rinchen: the bug mails were sent to every members
[17:40] <Rinchen> mathiaz, I was going to use the LP list once that notification item was completed.
[17:41] <Rinchen> mathiaz, you could work the system I suppose and file a bug against your team without the mailing list as a contact. All the members would get the bug announcement which could be "we have a new mailing list"
[17:41] <mathiaz> Rinchen: good suggestion.
[17:41] <Rinchen> mathiaz, we know it's a problem and we've chosen the LP mailing list notification as the first way to address it.
[17:41] <mathiaz> Rinchen: isn't there a bug in LP about the ability to email all the members ?
[17:42] <Rinchen> mathiaz, there might be other provision in the future
[17:42] <mathiaz> Rinchen: ok - thanks for the suggestion.
[17:42] <Rinchen> mathiaz, an Answers ticket might also work if you have that setup
[17:42] <Rinchen> mathiaz, sorry I couldn't be of more help.
[17:43] <mathiaz> Rinchen: thanks - it seems that I won't have to open 94 web pages to gather all of the email addresses.
[17:44] <Rinchen> mathiaz, yeah, that would most certainly ....um...how do they say it these days? ... sux0rs ?
[17:55] <slangasek> can anyone tell me if there's a way to un-target bugs from a release (e.g., https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+bugs)?  ISTR this was possible before, but now I can't find a button for it anywhere.
[17:56] <kiko> slangasek, the bug targeting needs to be rejected
[17:57] <kiko> slangasek, what's the bug?
[17:57] <slangasek> kiko: how can a reject an already-accepted bug?
[17:57] <kiko> slangasek, I think it can be denied; give me a bug #?
[17:57] <slangasek> 184210
[18:21] <Vadi> Can someone offer me help on 'pushing' code into a branch?
[18:25] <kiko> slangasek, mark the task as invalid.
[18:25] <kiko> slangasek, the main ubuntu task goes back to being alive when that happens.
[18:26] <slangasek> kiko: sorry, I don't see where in the UI I can do that
[18:27] <kiko> slangasek, just expand the hardy task.
[18:29] <pascal80> I would like people to translate the Brasero packages in the current Ubuntu development release (hardy) when they click on Translations for the Brasero project
[18:29] <pascal80> How can I make a link between https://translations.launchpad.net/brasero/ and https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/brasero/
[18:31] <slangasek> kiko: this?: http://people.ubuntu.com/~vorlon/Screenshot-Bug%20%23184210.png
[18:32] <slangasek> kiko: I don't see anything on there that looks like "invalid"
[18:39] <Vadi> Can someone offer me help on 'pushing' code into a branch?
[18:49] <kiko> slangasek, the status.
[18:49] <kiko> change it from confirmed to invalid.
[18:49] <slangasek> oh
[18:50]  * slangasek tries this
[18:50] <slangasek> no, that still shows it tracked in hardy...
[18:50] <slangasek> or am I meant to mark it 'invalid' there, and add another?
[18:51] <kiko> slangasek, hmmm. try it won't fix?
[18:52] <slangasek> kiko: aha, that seems to have done it
[18:54] <kiko> slangasek, live n learn!
[18:54] <slangasek> yes, I hope to continue doing both. :)
[18:54] <slangasek> thanks :)
[18:58] <kiko> slangasek, you're welcome. this nominations stuff. the UI needs clarifyin'
[18:59] <Vadi> I copy/pasted the example bzr push command, but I get a "Not a branch:" error.. is there any special setup I need to have on the folder that's on my laptop?
[20:01] <db-keen> I'm writing a desktop bug/issue tracker, and I'd like to be able to pull bug tracking information from Launchpad into my program. Where should I look for documentation related to this?
[20:02] <db-keen> Is there a soap / json / xml-rpc interface?
[20:21] <db-keen> If there isn't any, I suppose I'll have to scrape the web pages, but I can't say I'm fond of the idea...
[20:24] <thekorn> db-keen, you might want to have a look at https://edge.launchpad.net/python-launchpad-bugs/
[20:24] <thekorn> if you are using python
[20:25] <db-keen> thekorn: ruby, actually
[20:25] <db-keen> but I had rather expected if there was anything convenient it would be in python
[20:29] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[20:33] <mwhudson> hi mpt
[20:33] <CaioAlonso> morning? 17:33pm here! =D
[20:33] <CaioAlonso> ops, 5:33pm *
[20:44] <db-keen> as far as I can tell python-launchpad-bugs scrapes the html. Can someone confirm that is correct?
[20:45] <thekorn> db-keen, that's correct, it parses the html or text interface of lp
[20:45] <db-keen> thanks, I guess I'll do the same in Ruby
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #195570 in malone "`Unknown` importance shouldn't appear as a search value for targets that use Launchpad for bug tracking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195570
[22:02] <mpt> bdmurray, is the presence of "Unknown" in the status menu in the Ubuntu Bugs advanced search form really hurting Ubuntu QA people?
[22:02] <mpt> in the Importance menu, I mean
[22:05] <bdmurray> mpt: no is that how the ubuntu-qa tag is interpreted?
[22:06] <mpt> bdmurray, I understood it to mean that Launchpad developers should prioritize a bug higher because it's affecting Ubuntu QA
[22:06] <mpt> If that's not correct, I don't know what it does mean :-)
[22:16] <bdmurray> mpt: I was using the tag as a way to indicate bugs that we have encountered and should all be aware of.
[22:17] <bdmurray> we being the Ubuntu QA team - not all of them necessarily block workflow like bug 165283 for example
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 165283 in malone "The +txt listing for a bug is missing mentoring information" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165283
[22:18] <mpt> bdmurray, ok, well it's important that LP developers know whether they should take it into account for prioritization
[22:19] <bdmurray> Okay, I've unmarked bug 195570 as ubuntu-qa and I've just subscribed myself to it
[22:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195570 in malone "`Unknown` importance shouldn't appear as a search value for targets that use Launchpad for bug tracking" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195570
[22:21] <bdmurray> And the rest of the list looks reasonable to me except possibly for bug 5943
[22:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 5943 in malone "can't search for numbers in Malone" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5943
[22:25] <bdmurray> Reasonable as in the tag could be interpreted as hurting Ubuntu QA.


[12:00] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, they have access to post it there
[16:18] <pleia2> moved over completed summaries, but we still need the blogosphere ones
[16:18] <pleia2> I'd really rather not have to bullet-point them again
[16:19] <MrChrisDruif> Oh, I didn't update Lubuntu's meeting link
[16:20] <pleia2> I haven't moved those over yet, so there is still time!
[16:20] <pleia2> any other flavors meetings?
[16:21] <MrChrisDruif> I saw a ping for Xubuntu meeting time? So no meeting yet?
[16:22] <pleia2> no meeting yet
[16:22] <MrChrisDruif> I can't think of any other flavors having meetings
[16:25] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[16:26] <MrChrisDruif> And I'll take a quick look at those blogosphere ones right after updating that Lubuntu link
[16:27] <MrChrisDruif> ...if I can check the link...<_<"
[16:28] <MrChrisDruif> Did you know the Lubuntu team had a meltdown?
[16:28] <pleia2> I heard about the resignations
[16:28] <pleia2> it's early in the cycle and they still have a lot of contributors, they should be ok :)
[16:29] <MrChrisDruif> I'll keep my eye on them (even thou I was one of the resignations)
[16:29]  * silverlion is one of them too
[16:31] <MrChrisDruif> silverlion; you resigned LONG TIME ago if I remember correct?
[16:31] <silverlion> MrChrisDruif: to be correct i steped down from team-leadership the time you mention but i still was a consultant behind the scenes for phillw
[16:32] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, k
[16:32] <MrChrisDruif> My bad >_<
[16:52] <passstab> why did you resign?
[17:00] <silverlion> re
[17:00] <silverlion> passstab: well that is internal stuff << to answer the question from before my disconnect
[17:00] <MrChrisDruif> silverlion; passstab wants to know why you resigned ^_^
[17:00] <silverlion> MrChrisDruif: i answered him one line above :p
[17:01] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, just 2 secs before ;-)
[17:07] <silverlion> great... i like people not responding to what i write
[17:10] <pleia2> this isn't really the place for lubuntu discussion anyway ;)
[17:10] <silverlion> pleia2: you are right ^^ but i answered a question ;)
[19:12] <pleia2> ok, I finished up the summaries ;)
[19:13] <MrChrisDruif> Wooh O_O
[19:23] <pleia2> ok, ready for editorial review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue266


[16:36] <alan_g> anyone willing to review this? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/some-acceptance-tests-use-mir-Server-API/+merge/239406