[07:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:53] <diplo> Morning all
[07:53] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> hey, the G+ indicator changed!
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> it's no longer a number but a little bell
[07:57] <diplo> A few days ago I think
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> diplo: it just happened for me. Yay gradual rollouts ;)
[07:59] <diplo> I still don't understand that, why it takes so long to roll out but Iguess I've never played with an infrastructure that large
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> diplo: if there's a bug, you don't want it to affect everyone at once (you want to be able to roll back :)
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> diplo: so you do it over the course of several days
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> while monitoring all kinds of statistics to see if it's actually working
[08:01] <MartijnVdS> (improving click-throughs, etc.)
[08:05] <popey> heh, i have a bell on one account, and not on the other
[08:05] <popey> damn you google and your slow rolloutts
[08:05] <popey> -t
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe you logged in as the wrong Alan (Bell)
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> (jpc)
[08:08] <brobostigon> lol
[08:09] <diplo> MartijnVdS: I understand a few days, theirs can take a lot longer though at times
[08:10] <popey> morning btw
[08:10] <brobostigon> morning his popey'ness.
[08:18] <mungbean> realised that if i put salt on this chocolate eclair then i get in the red zone for all categories
[09:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all, Happy Friday and Happy World Music Day! :)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1D100.pdf
[09:09] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, very topical!
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: exactly :)
[09:44] <ali1234> warning: delegating constructors only available with -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 [enabled by default]
[09:44] <ali1234> what does ths mean?
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it means delegating constructors are a feature of the 2011 standard of C++
[09:45] <ali1234> i know
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> which is enabled by default
[09:45] <ali1234> but what is a delagting constructor
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html#delegating-ctor
[09:46] <ali1234> oh i see
[09:46] <ali1234> i'm surprsed it took until 2011 for something so obvious to be supported
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> I'm surprised they haven't run out of ways to expand C++ yet
[09:56] <ali1234> does anyone know how to expand the comments stream on sound cloud?
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: click on the "comment count" number, on the right side of the song's page
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: under the waveform
[09:57] <ali1234> ok and now how to sort them by track time?
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> http://developers.soundcloud.com/ :)
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:01] <mgdm> C++ is 'orrible
[10:01] <bigcalm> Has anybody here put CM onto their SGS3?
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I guess people must have.. but I don't know anyone who has
[10:04] <bigcalm> I'm getting fed up of my phone freezing on me which causes me to reset the phone by taking the battery out
[10:04] <mgdm> MS Office for the Mac is also 'orrible
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> the Mac is also 'orrible
[10:05] <shauno> heretics!
[10:05] <mungbean> have a legit visio key but no media :(
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you can download those from MS I guess
[10:05] <mungbean> MS don't let you download do they?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: they will, if you register the key to your "Live" account
[10:06] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: That's a matter of opinion, Office being 'orrible is a fact
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: true
[10:06] <mungbean> top link is TPB so i guess no
[10:07] <shauno> http://www.microsoft.com/office/downloads/  looks promising (for 2007 values of promising)
[10:07] <mungbean> visio aint office, but nice try
[10:07] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:07] <mgdm> It's part of office, so it's a reasonable place to look
[10:08] <mgdm> Hungarian notation is also 'orrible
[10:08] <shauno> was curious if it'd break out the part you're entitled to when you feed it your key  (they chomp on your key before the d/l stage)
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: you can log in on office.microsoft.com I think, then add the product code to your account
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> and THEN download the ISO you need
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> or .ex
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> e
[10:09] <mungbean> i think they are for office apps, and visio is not part of office pro plus
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/download-back-up-restore-microsoft-office-products-FX103427465.aspx ?
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: at the bottom, enter the 2007/2010 product key
[10:10] <mungbean> visio was not part of office :(
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> it was and is!
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> (or: what happened when you tried? :)
[10:10] <mungbean> trying now
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: the sidebar claims "Applies to: [lots of products, including Visio 2010]"
[10:12] <mungbean> The Office 2007 Product Key provided is not recognized as an eligible product for free download. Please re-enter your Product Key and try again, or check the list of eligible products.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ah it's 07
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> no idea :(
[10:12] <mungbean> my code was for 07
[10:12] <mungbean> looks again
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> \o/ free software
[10:14] <ali1234> mungbean: you need MSDN subscription to download media
[10:14] <mungbean> yeah, dreamspark etc
[10:14] <mungbean> i could go and rummage in my old office but that will end in frustration
[10:15] <ali1234> someone actually asked me to find office 2007 iso for them but i could not find a verifiable one
[10:19] <directhex> which office 2007?
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: I might have MS Works (for DOS!) on floppies around here somewhere
[10:20] <directhex> pro? ultimate? home & student?
[10:20] <ali1234> yeah i have that
[10:20] <ali1234> i found it in a box the other day while cleaning out junk
[10:32] <kaushal> Hi
[10:34] <kaushal> We have around 100 Servers which are colocated. Any open source software to draw rack elevation diagram and populate it with all asset details viz IP, hard disk and memory sizes?
[10:55] <diplo> There are I believe but all a bit ahem, not very good
[10:55]  * diplo trying to remember names
[10:55] <diplo> Visio is still much better at it :/
[10:56] <ormiret> If you're looking for something visio like then possibly dia (though it is a bit primitive by comparison).
[10:56] <mungbean> yeah, they all suck a bit
[10:57] <diplo> Yep :/
[10:58] <mungbean> cannot install 64 bit visio because 32bit office was oinstalled on your pc
[11:00] <diplo> Sounds like you're having fun mungbean
[11:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: mug for you: http://www.zazzle.com/say_raah_mugs-168783956030796784
[11:47] <AlanBell> ooh I like the weather integration in Saucy unity
[11:47] <AlanBell> err, whut, maybe I don't
[11:49] <shauno> now that's what I call divisive
[11:49] <MartijnVdS> shauno: left brain/right brain
[11:49] <AlanBell> ah, it shows you the weather in "termoloi, italy" if you type term in the search box
[11:50] <AlanBell> I thought itwas going to be 32 degrees tomorrow, which had me all excited
[11:50] <popey> you running saucy?
[11:50] <AlanBell> so you have to search for london to find weather here
[11:50] <popey> or farnborough?
[11:50] <AlanBell> yes, I got unity running on a spare laptop, my upgraded saucy laptop won't start unity properly
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> oh I disabled on-line searches
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> so no weather for me \o/
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> I only use Alt+F2 anyway ;)
[11:51] <popey> yeah, i have disabled all online stuff on mine
[11:52] <ali1234> firefox has a bug where it just stops making connections
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> fd leak?
[11:52] <ali1234> requires a restart before it will load any web page
[11:52] <AlanBell> 17 degrees tomorrow
[11:53] <ali1234> that will be annoying for anyone trying to use webapps
[11:53] <AlanBell> "weather in a city that sounds like the application you are trying to launch" is an interesting feature
[11:53] <ali1234> AlanBell: well that could be more accurately summed up as "a load of irrelevant rubbish that you don't care about every time you try to do anything"
[11:54] <ali1234> that way it covers gnome shell too
[11:56] <Laney> unfortunately for me the weather comes below files, music and amazon results so I can't see it without scrolling
[11:56] <AlanBell> well in theory the smart scopes should figure that out and eventually realise that nobody typing "weather" wants to scroll down to find the weather in weatherford, US
[11:57] <ali1234> yeah, not gonna happen
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> it's "smart scopes" though, not "SkyNet Scopes"
[11:57] <Laney> I suspect it only learns when people click on stuff, not when they scroll down to look at it
[11:58] <ali1234> basically the only way you could make the dash even slightly good is to give control of the entire thing to google and let them decide what should appear in it
[11:58] <Laney> if I could get the server to never enable More suggestions for me I might leave that option on
[11:58] <mungbean> synapse seems to get it right for me
[11:59] <mungbean> local search , but has plugins
[11:59] <ali1234> google gets it right about 40% of the time for me
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> Google Now gets it right for me
[12:00] <ali1234> everything else is so bad that i end up having to specifically modify queries just to get what i want
[12:00]  * Laney is getting an "at800 filter" because of 4G
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> Laney: why though?
[12:01] <ali1234> because 4G interferes with DVB frequencies in the UK
[12:01] <Laney> https://at800.tv/press-releases/at800-updates-estimate-of-likely-impact-of-4g-at-800-mhz-on-freeview/
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> oh, they cleared those frequencies of DVB here
[12:02] <mungbean> only some areas affected
[12:02] <mungbean> allegedly
[12:02] <ali1234> they only just cleared them *for* freeview here
[12:04] <ali1234> the corporate branding on that site is awful
[12:04] <ali1234> someone decided that the site needs to be clear
[12:04] <ali1234> they have ensured that this is the case by using the phrase "let's be clear" every third sentence
[12:05] <popey> heh
[12:35] <AlanBell> what is a fast way of transferring lots of stuff over gigabit ethernet?
[12:36] <AlanBell> 100GB or so of stuff between two laptops
[12:37] <ali1234> tar | nc
[12:38] <dogmatic69> not quite right http://i.imgur.com/zADSnKX.png
[12:39] <dogmatic69> icon counter things are skew ^
[12:39] <dogmatic69> left / right monitor
[12:42] <mungbean> realised that pencil app is better than any dia, etc
[12:43] <AlanBell> mungbean: yeah, but PNG export is a bit busted at the moment
[12:43] <AlanBell> it drops a .svg in /tmp but fails to convert it to a raster png image
[12:44] <AlanBell> I was debugging it the other day, but lost the will to live halfway through
[12:48] <mungbean> AlanBell: http://askubuntu.com/questions/270836/pencil-export-page-as-png-does-not-work
[12:48] <mungbean> easy fix
[12:48] <mungbean> revert to 2.0.2
[12:48] <mungbean> or manually use xulrunner
[12:48] <AlanBell> that isn't a fix
[12:49] <AlanBell> I was going to fix it
[12:49] <mungbean> s/fix/workaround
[12:49] <mungbean> ah ok
[12:49] <mungbean> there's a few dupes for that bug, i wonder if it's been patched unofficlally
[12:49] <AlanBell> I don't think so (I did look)
[12:50] <mungbean> it's certainly easier than other alternatives to use, so you'd be doing a service to the community :D
[12:52] <AlanBell> somewhere in /usr/share/pencil/content/pencil/common/svgRasterizer.js
[12:52] <AlanBell> I think
[12:53] <AlanBell> I couldn't figure out quite how to debug xul applications
[12:57] <AlanBell> heh, going out on a limb here, but a hard coded export path of     var path = "/home/dgthanhan/Desktop/tmp.png"; might not help
[12:58] <AlanBell> can't quite figure out where that gets used but line 164 of /usr/share/pencil/content/pencil/common/svgRasterizer.js looks very very wrong
[12:58] <mungbean> png export has a black baground..weird
[12:58] <AlanBell> oh, he commented out the wrong line
[12:59] <AlanBell> lulz
[12:59] <AlanBell>     //this.saveURI(dataURL, path); shoudl not be commented out
[12:59] <mungbean> must have been drunk
[13:03] <mungbean> doesn't fix the prob though
[13:04] <AlanBell> nope, it doesn't
[13:05] <mungbean> i have it working with v16 of xulrunner but not v22
[13:05] <AlanBell> hmm, how would it work with xulrunner if that was the bug . . .
[13:05] <AlanBell> must be going through some other codepath because that one can't work
[13:06] <mungbean> androidSupports.js:    var output = "/home/dgthanhan/Desktop/foo.png";
[13:06] <mungbean> has a habit of it
[13:07] <AlanBell> heh
[13:13] <mungbean> has anyone heard of xCAT?
[13:17] <directhex> mungbean, ibm xcat?
[13:17] <bigcalm> Feline species realignment?
[13:17] <mungbean> yes directhex
[13:17] <directhex> i used it around... 2005, i guess?
[13:17] <directhex> on a cluster of dual pentium 3's running red hat 7
[13:18] <mungbean> it appears to do mass deployment of VMs and nodes etc
[13:18] <directhex> yes. although i expect it's changed a bit in 8 years
[13:18] <mungbean> so what can't it do vs open/cloudstack?
[13:20] <directhex> mungbean, in 2013? i have no idea. when i last used xcat, the cloud didn't exist
[13:20] <directhex> hell, nobody was talking about "grid" yet either
[13:22] <mungbean> allegedly it (now) stands for xtreme cloud admin toolkit
[13:29] <mungbean> our workplace gets a lot of IP infringement emails to the security team
[13:29] <mungbean> e.g someone downloaded star trek into darkness via BT
[13:29] <aquarius> gnaaaah. Virtualisation makes no sense to me. Every guide in the world assumes that you know what you're doing :(
[13:30] <mungbean> From<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:30] <dwdorig> aquarius, You don't *actually* do anything, you only *virtually* do things. I think that's the idea, anyway.
[13:31] <aquarius> hahaha. Funny. :)
[13:31] <dwdorig> aquarius, Indeed. I'll bet your virtually laughing.
[13:31] <popey> aquarius: whats the goal?
[13:31] <davmor2> aquarius: what's up dude
[13:31] <dwdorig> popey, Thing with a net at the end of the pitch.
[13:32] <aquarius> popey, run a downloaded IE8+WindowsXP OVA virtual machine with virt-manager (not VirtualBox).
[13:32] <davmor2> dwdorig: a driving range?
[13:32] <aquarius> popey, I'm not trying to do anything complex here ;)
[13:33] <popey> uhm, okay
[13:33] <popey> so kvm, right?
[13:33] <popey> (i.e. kvm, not virtualbox)
[13:33] <aquarius> this OVA file seems to be a tarball of an OVF file (a definition file for the VM) and a vmdk disk image. So I started virt-manager and told it to create a new VM and pointed it at the VMDK as the disk image, and... it says it's not bootable :(
[13:33] <aquarius> yep, kvm.
[13:33] <aquarius> well, I think so
[13:34] <aquarius> I do not understand this stuff. Am I running kvm? qemu? qemu-kvm? I don't think I get it ;)
[13:34] <popey> does kvm support vmdk these days?
[13:34] <popey> (I don't think it can)
[13:34] <aquarius> the internet seems to think that it can
[13:35] <popey> ok, I bow to the Internet's superior knowledge
[13:35] <aquarius> but I think maybe it is full of lies
[13:35] <aquarius> and i need to convert it to this qcow thing
[13:35] <popey> yes
[13:35] <popey> and that is hassle
[13:35] <aquarius> I am trying to avoid converting an 800MB vmdk file if I can avoid it, because I am really short of disk space ;)
[13:35] <popey> use virtualbox then?
[13:35] <popey> (which does support vmdk files)
[13:36] <shauno> qemu-img is getting pretty good at vmdk, I don't believe kvm is natively
[13:36] <aquarius> virtualbox just flat doesn't work :( It hangs the whole machine, or it won't boot the Windows VM except in safe mode and *then* hangs the whole machine.
[13:36] <aquarius> that's what the previous two hours were about :)
[13:36] <AlanBell> it can do vmdk, just not the multiple chopped up 2gb vmdk things
[13:36] <mungbean> aquarius: just install vmware player
[13:36] <AlanBell> because FAT
[13:36] <mungbean> file -> open OVA
[13:36] <mungbean> job done
[13:36] <davmor2> aquarius: you could just install vmware viewer  it should be in the partners repo
[13:37] <aquarius> orly?
[13:37] <aquarius> I never thought of that
[13:37]  * aquarius checks USC
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> *sigh* neighbors who can't drive
[13:38] <mungbean> also there's command line apps for it if you want to start them from CLI without a console running
[13:38] <mungbean> so you can rdp into it instead
[13:38] <aquarius> can't see vmware player in USC :(
[13:38] <aquarius> there is a VMware View Open Client but that seems to not be it
[13:38] <mungbean> nope
[13:39] <popey> aquarius: out of interest where did you get virtualbox from?
[13:39] <aquarius> popey, the repo.
[13:39] <popey> right, the one from virtualbox.org may be better
[13:39] <popey> (I use it daily)
[13:39] <aquarius> I do not like installing things from random third parties which require compiling some sort of kernel module
[13:39] <popey> it doesnt
[13:39] <aquarius> becuase I don't understand wtf I am doing :(
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> dkms does it for you, I guess
[13:39] <popey> its a deb, you install, job done
[13:39] <aquarius> virtualbox needs kernel modules for, like, everything
[13:39] <popey> i found vmware on ubuntu to be pain
[13:39] <popey> shush
[13:40] <popey> its a deb
[13:40] <popey> you install it
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> kvm + virt-manager works fine though
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> it's a bit bare-bones, but for dev work it's fine
[13:40] <popey> kvm doesn't support vmdk MartijnVdS
[13:40] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, well, that's what i planned to use, because it's all there in the repository. So: I have an OVA file. How do I use kvm+virt-manager to run it?
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://opentox.github.io/installation/2012/08/02/converting-ova-images-to-kvm/
[13:41] <popey> thats convert, not open
[13:41] <popey> read upwards
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: after conversion, you can open it
[13:42] <popey> 14:35:32 < aquarius> I am trying to avoid converting an 800MB vmdk file if I can avoid it, because I am really short of disk space ;)
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> ah, that above ;)
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> not top of the web page
[13:42] <shauno> everything converts ova, it's a tarball
[13:42] <AlanBell> it *can* use vmdk, just not splitted vmdk
[13:42] <aquarius> I will convert if I have to. However, as far as I can tell, qemu-img can convert vmdk files by itself. Which suggests that that page, MartijnVdS, is out of date. I mistrust out of date pages.
[13:43] <AlanBell> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/FAQ#Using_and_Converting_VMWare_Virtual_Disk_Files
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: good point
[13:43] <aquarius> AlanBell, I used virt-manager to create a new VM, and told it to use the existing VMDK disk. When I then boot that VM, it says that the hard disk is an unbootable device.
[13:44] <shauno> ova is an archive format, it's a tarball containing config files, vmdk, manifests, etc.  so unpacking it is going to demand disk space no matter what route you choose
[13:44] <AlanBell> did you change the type to vmdk in the xml file?
[13:44] <aquarius> AlanBell, I have no idea whether that's because I've done something wrong, or because whatever i'm doing doesn't read vmdks, or because this is a weird vmdk. And the documentation all assumes that you know what you're doing, hence original complaint.
[13:44] <aquarius> AlanBell, er! no.
[13:44] <aquarius> AlanBell, what xml file?
[13:44] <aquarius> shauno, right, and I have unpacked it to a vmdk file and an ovf definition file.
[13:45] <shauno> ah, gotcha
[13:46] <AlanBell> xml file in /etc/libvirt/qemu aquarius
[13:46] <aquarius> AlanBell, I saw that, but... it seems to be owned by root ;(
[13:46] <AlanBell> erm, yeah, they will be
[13:47] <aquarius> ahaha1
[13:47] <aquarius> there is an advanced disk option in virt-manager!
[13:48] <aquarius> which I have now used to set the type to vmdk. Victory.
[13:48]  * aquarius watches machine start to boot.
[13:48] <AlanBell> woot
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[13:48] <aquarius> hrm.
[13:48] <AlanBell> (that will change the xml file in /etc/libvirt/qemu)
[13:49] <aquarius> now, it does a text boot for a bit, then you get a windows textual BSOD for a microsecond, and then it restarts :)
[13:49] <aquarius> but this is progress!
[13:49] <aquarius> perhaps the vmdk got screwed by my earlier attempts to use it in virtualbox. I'll unpack it again :)
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: are these the MSIE tryout images?
[13:49] <AlanBell> sounds like the authentic windows experience
[13:49] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, they are
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: is this a*
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: I've spend 2 days getting those to work in KVM, somehow Windows doesn't like the (virtual) hardware
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: Never got them to work though :(
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> spent*
[13:51] <aquarius> oh really?
[13:51] <aquarius> hrm
[13:51] <aquarius> I'll give it a brief try, then, and then I'll download virtualbox from the site as popey suggests.
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> I *think* it's the disk controller driver
[13:51] <popey> if you do that, remove all trace of virtualbox first
[13:51] <aquarius> popey, I have tried to do so
[13:53] <AlanBell> aquarius: there are an assortment of virtual graphics cards it can present, cirrus is the default bit vit-manager can do several others
[13:53] <aquarius> which should I choose?
[13:54] <AlanBell> no idea which is better/worse, but that is something I would tinker with if you are not getting a desktop
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> try each one in turn
[13:54] <aquarius> ok
[13:54]  * aquarius tries with clean disk and cirrus
[13:54] <aquarius> bsod.
[13:54] <aquarius> :)
[13:55] <dwdorig> aquarius, Always wondered how to get one of those on Linux. Now I know what virtualization is for.
[13:56] <ali1234> the bluescreen probably isn't caused by the graphics card
[13:56] <ali1234> it is more likely to be caused because you did/did not enable io-apic
[13:56] <popey> yeah, windows should have drivers for the base cirrus stuff
[13:56] <popey> its well old
[13:56] <mungbean> purple screen on vmware i see a lot
[13:57] <mungbean> gonna try and ask the bank about paying off my mortgage \o/
[13:57] <aquarius> oh, brilliant. I changed the video card from cirrus to qxl (which also failed) and now I can't change it away again because virt-manager put a "ram" option in the xml and doesn't know how to take it away. Sigh.
[13:57] <aquarius> AlanBell, um, what is an io-apic?
[13:57]  * AlanBell directs aquarius to ali1234 :)
[13:58] <ali1234> io-apic is a piece of hardware found on motherboards
[13:58] <ali1234> it is something to do with plug and play
[13:58] <popey> yeah, you do need that turned on.
[13:58] <ali1234> in virtualbox you can enable or disable it
[13:59] <aquarius> OK. This is a thing that I need to turn on in the virtual machine configuration?
[13:59] <ali1234> yes
[13:59] <aquarius> or a thing that I need to turn on on my actual computer?
[13:59] <ali1234> or turn off if it is turned on
[13:59] <popey> it needs to be on
[14:00] <AlanBell> overview, machine settings
[14:00] <AlanBell> in virt-manager
[14:00] <aquarius> enable APIC is ticked.
[14:03] <aquarius> have now tried booting with apic ticked and not ticked, and with all the different video cards, and I get the same thing: textual progress bar, followed by bsod, followed by automatic power cycle.
[14:03] <aquarius> oh well. so much for kvm, then.
[14:04]  * aquarius downloads virtualbox.
[14:05] <ali1234> this is why nobody uses kvm
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> lack of working apps?
[14:06] <ali1234> no, because it is just impossible to make it work for anything other than an incredibly small number of specific set ups
[14:06] <mungbean> :-|
[14:07] <popey> or servers
[14:09] <directhex> virtualbox has never worked right for me
[14:09] <directhex> well, that's a lie. it worked as packaged as part of the webos sdk
[14:09] <AlanBell> virtualbox on the desktop, kvm on the server for me
[14:09] <directhex> but i've had every imaginable issue with virtualbox, right down to hand-editing /var/lib/dpkg/status to obliterate it from my system
[14:09] <ali1234> i once tried to use kvm and it not only didn't work, it also made virtualbox not work
[14:10] <directhex> aquarius, virt-manager is pretty dumb
[14:11] <AlanBell> virt-manager is pretty good for remote management of VMs
[14:11] <AlanBell> somewhat poor if it is local
[14:14] <davmor2> ohhh update to torchlight means your character has a head still when he has a headgear on
[14:15] <ali1234> lol they finally fixed that one eh?
[14:16] <Laney> why is it poor?
[14:18] <aquarius> directhex, yeah -- but ideally I wouldn't need smartness. I don't need clever things, I just want to run this existin vmdk of a Windows XP image in a window on my Ubuntu desktop. Now, I'm sure there's all sorts of clever things that *can* be done, and reasons why this is more complex than I would like it to be...
[14:18] <popey> aquarius: http://popey.com/~alan/vm.png worked first time in virtualbox
[14:18] <popey> aquarius: https://gist.github.com/magnetikonline/5274656 followed those steps
[14:18] <aquarius> ali1234, er... I now have kvm installed. Is having that installed going to sod up virtualbox?
[14:19] <mungbean> if you are a noob then vmware player is v friendly
[14:19] <ali1234> yes, it will if you don't unload the kvm kernel module
[14:19] <ali1234> although ironically it will only affect windows guests
[14:19] <aquarius> ali1234, oh. Should I uninstalll kvm, then?
[14:19] <ali1234> linux guests will run correctly in virtualbox whether kvm module is loaded or not
[14:19] <popey> i would unload the module
[14:20] <aquarius> popey, that's *really* useful. Thank you. not sure why I didn't find that in searching!
[14:20] <popey> sudo rmmod kvm-intel
[14:20] <popey> np
[14:20] <ali1234> kvm-amd in my case
[14:20] <ali1234> or something
[14:20] <aquarius> popey, well, I should uninstall whatever package provides it, right? (I'm not using it, and I don't want to have to remember to rmmod it on every boot?)
[14:21] <directhex> i use kvm for my desktop virtualization, since my experiences with virtualbox are dreadful and vmware doesn't support your kernel version ever
[14:21] <directhex> plus, kvm works fine for me to run a company's it on it
[14:21] <directhex> incl. windows
[14:21]  * aquarius installs virtualbox
[14:22] <popey> aquarius: sure, uninstall if you're not using it
[14:31] <aquarius> yeaaah, and it starts
[14:31] <aquarius> nice one popey. thank you :)
[14:32] <popey> yay
[14:34] <bigcalm> My SGS3 is freezing on me randomly several times a week. Do I take to t-mobile or put CyanogenMod on it?
[14:34] <bigcalm> If I take it to t-mobile, I imagine that I'll have to pay them something and be without a phone for weeks if it goes off for repair
[14:36] <aquarius> blimey XP is weird and annoying.
[14:44] <mungbean> AlanBell: i also can't seem to do curvy lines in the 2.0.3 pencil
[14:52] <mungbean> i also didn't realise you can use it for mockups
[14:52] <mungbean> has gtk widgets etc
[14:53] <directhex> xp is 11 years old at this point, i don't know why anyone would expect it to behave like a modern os
[14:54] <popey> so is GNOME ☻
[14:54] <ali1234> i don't know why anyone would want it to behave like a modern OS. i mean, have you seen them?
[14:55] <popey> comedy gold, he's here all week ladies and gentlemen
[14:56] <scott_> bigcalm: mine was doing the same. I took it back to my provider (three) and they ""fixed"" it for free because it was in its two year warranty. First day it came back it crashed.
[14:57] <scott_> When asked what was done, they said updated the software that was not available to us. To which i though "Bull!". Ive had Cyanogen on it since and its running fine.
[15:12] <directhex> smartphones suck and the software is terrible
[15:13] <mungbean> everyone's grumpy today cos of the weather
[15:13] <MartijnVdS> nah directhex is always like that ;)
[15:13] <mungbean> i thought that was ali1234
[15:13] <directhex> ali1234 is differently grumpy
[15:13] <Laney> he hasn't said anything about bees yet so it can't be that bad
[15:13] <directhex> ali1234 pines for a byegone era, much like http://xkcd.com/1227/
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> directhex & ali1234: the new Waldorf & Statler
[15:14] <directhex> whereas i just think everything is terrible now, and was terrible before, and will likely be terrible in the future
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:StatlerAndWaldorf.jpg
[15:16] <ali1234> y'know, just because it took from 1871 until now for letter writing to completely die doesn't mean every quote in that comic isn't absolutely correct
[17:09] <DJones> Hmmh, twitter spam email, Do you know.....  Er, yes I do, I blocked them and reported them for spam some months ago
[17:11] <daftykins> i keep getting automated phone calls on my mobile from 0845 and swansea numbers of late =/
[17:25] <diplo> evening all
[17:28] <daftykins> diplo: hi o/
[17:30] <diplo> How's things daftykins ?
[17:31] <daftykins> not bad ty sir
[17:31] <daftykins> i've started getting all these small flying brown/black bugs in my house
[17:31] <daftykins> no idea what they are
[17:31] <diplo> Still working, or at home now ?
[17:31] <daftykins> but other than that ok :>
[17:31] <diplo> :(
[17:31] <daftykins> i'm at home yep
[17:32] <daftykins> how are thee?
[17:32] <diplo> Not had many bugs luckily, and one big benefit since the wife left... I never have spiders anymore, we used to be overrun when she was here
[17:32] <diplo> They followed her to her new house \o/
[17:32] <daftykins> lmao
[17:32] <daftykins> that's weird
[17:32] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, just picked my kids up and they went straight out so thought i'd do some web work
[17:32] <diplo> :)
[17:32] <daftykins> sounds like a win win!
[17:33] <daftykins> actually not requiring pick-up probably would've qualified as that
[17:33] <diplo> Well would be nice to see them.. but if they're happy
[17:33] <daftykins> :D
[17:33] <diplo> I always seem to do drop off/pick up but it's not that bad
[17:39] <diplo> Been playing with ISPConfig 3 today, it's not that bad tbh
[17:41] <daftykins> how far is it from home to the schools?
[17:41] <daftykins> ah yeah? i've got a BigV VPS from bytemark, their 'symbiosis' system is pretty neat for simple admin
[17:43] <diplo> Ah yeah, was going to try that as well
[17:44] <diplo> Will have to get some vm's set up to test other ones
[17:45] <daftykins> :D
[17:46] <diplo> Ah it's pick up from the ex's house at 5 after work, not school, only pick up/drop off to school monday and tuesday morning
[17:46] <daftykins> ah right
[17:46] <diplo> and about 1/4 mile from the house but 3 /12 miles from work
[17:47] <diplo> Suppose I better find them actually, getting a little late now :D
[17:47] <daftykins> i feel kinda proud of always getting myself to and from school cycling since primary school over the years
[17:47] <daftykins> i'd want to force the same on any blighters i might have - perish the thought XD
[18:10] <diplo> I'll let the boys walk in a year or so
[18:10] <diplo> defo more dodgey now
[18:14] <daftykins> ah
[18:14] <daftykins> i still remember the funny things my parents would say to try and keep you away from harm as a youngster
[18:15] <daftykins> in the local park 'don't go in the hedges back there, strange people are there that will hurt you'
[18:15] <daftykins> mmk
[18:16] <zleap> diplo, take em to basic self defence classes,
[18:17] <diplo> zleap: Just about to sign eldest up to karate lessons, biggest issue is the ex... lazy :)
[18:17] <diplo> So have to find something running when I have them to take them
[18:19] <diplo> But self defence won't stop someone in a van picking up one of the boys, only 5 & 6
[18:20] <directhex> as predicted, 75% off crusader kings 2
[18:21] <popey> wossat
[18:21] <zleap> diplo, i guess,  but isn't 5/6 kinda young for walking to school on their own anyway
[18:21] <popey> yes
[18:21] <diplo> I was replying to daftykins about walking to school since primary :)
[18:21] <diplo> They don't walk anywhere on their own atm
[18:22] <popey> although our kids school is miles away so that would be hard
[18:22] <daftykins> he's easing them into society
[18:22] <popey> well 3.3 miles
[18:22] <diplo> They're allowed to play out the front, all the houses point in on grassed walkway on my estate so kids are fairly safe out the front
[18:23] <diplo> It's why I moved here
[18:23] <popey> ours play in the road
[18:24] <daftykins> with the cars
[18:24] <daftykins> Guernsey style, that :)
[18:26] <daftykins> are there any log files worth looking in after a server's seized up? granted it'd be impressive for an OS to write about its' own failure before curling up into a ball, but i figured it worth asking :)
[18:27] <diplo> syslog/kern.log are the only two I guess, grep -i error * ? :)
[18:27] <diplo> Might have some noticed of something happening before it locks up
[18:28] <daftykins> ty sir
[18:28] <daftykins> Austrian guy reckons the weather's hotting up so who knows how he lost his 1U beastie :)
[18:29] <diplo> :)
[18:42] <diddledan_> WEEEE FRIDAY
[18:43] <popey> +1
[18:43] <popey> "Like"
[18:46] <daftykins> -1 "Social Media"
[18:50] <diddledan_> lol
[18:54] <daftykins> i had to hop on facebook to message a friends sister about laptop fixing i was doing for her
[18:54] <daftykins> saw my brother and his wife having a publicised domestic
[18:54] <daftykins> i didn't know such things had gone multiplayer
[18:55] <DJones> daftykins: Isn't that called IRC
[18:56] <daftykins> if married types are on it i suppose, yes
[18:56] <daftykins> right time to depart and get some things done i expect
[18:56] <diplo> Not a great fan of social media, but I do like G+, more for news / info
[18:57] <daftykins> i've not tried
[18:59] <diddledan_> I like facebook for randomly useless memes
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: you need more reddit in your life
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> diddledan_: it's WAY better for useless memes ;)
[19:00] <diddledan_> :-)
[19:00] <diddledan_> I have never read reddit in earnest
[19:01] <diddledan_> I've occasionally been there as a result of a search but quickly found dross and left
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> it is full of rubbish
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> but you can just disable the "subreddits" that suck the most
[19:05] <zleap> i use g+ but gnu social looks interesting
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> zleap: except nobody will ever use it
[19:06] <zleap> well we are looking at setting up a gnu social page for the dclug mainly to play around but it could be useful
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> ooh - http://googlesystem.blogspot.nl/2013/06/google-mine.html
[19:15] <popey> that makes no sense to me ☻
[19:15] <popey> I need to read it 3 more times
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> popey: Google is adding sharing of real-world things to G+ :)
[19:19]  * DJones puts on his tinfoil hat and thinks its a way of google finding out what 'stuff' you have at home/to hand so they can target adverts based on non-web based information
[19:22]  * AlanBell wonders if it works for chickens
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> DJones: you mean like census data, what kind of people live in what areas etc.?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> DJones: "Oh you live in a rich neighborhood, better advertise expensive things"
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> "Poor neighborhood? Lots of loans!"
[19:23] <DJones> MartijnVdS: That probably sounds believable
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> DJones: "Ooh lots of families with young/newborn children in your area. *ad for diapers*"
[19:26] <brobostigon> or if you live in bachelor towers it advertises other kinds of stuff.
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "single women in your area"?
[19:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yeah, that kind of thing.
[19:28] <DJones> MartijnVdS: I thought they were advertised on business cards in phone boxes
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: sure but if you live in an area full of potential clients.. why not have google advertise?
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> DJones: who uses phone boxes!
[19:29] <DJones> I was just trying to think where my nearest phone box is... And can't think of any
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> Cornwall is full of them
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> every town has one
[19:36] <brobostigon> concept, now that would be an interesting google glass app, "google glass, launch gooogle plus dating app please."
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the real-world sharing bit isn't out yet
[19:38] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, but some ideas, like that at a singles party, or a speed dating party, could be interesting.
[19:41] <brobostigon> copyright brobostigon, 2013.
[19:45] <mungbean> AlanBell: happened to notice there is a 2.0.4 version of pencil
[19:45] <mungbean> just no deb for it.
[19:45] <mungbean> might have those bugs fixed
[19:45] <AlanBell> interesting
[19:45] <mungbean> i think fedora has it OOTB
[19:46] <mungbean> have a baby in one hand so let me know if u try it :D
[19:47]  * AlanBell is baby free
[19:48] <mungbean> i'm preferring to visio atm
[19:49] <mungbean> if only the page creation was a bit easier, but it has nice features like fit to diagram+padding
[19:50] <diplo> Never tried it, will have to take a look
[19:51] <mungbean> has features for mockups too
[19:51] <mungbean> like balsamiq
[19:53] <diplo> Installing now
[19:55] <mungbean> version?
[19:56] <diplo> 2.03 from the website
[19:57] <mungbean> beware of the png export bug
[19:57] <mungbean> haven't got enough hands free to look at whats involved wuth installing from the 2.0.4,tar,gz
[20:01] <diplo> heh, something just locked the laptop right up, had to unity --reset
[20:01] <diplo> :P
[20:01] <diplo> Hmm, still not right I don't think
[20:02]  * diplo gets work laptop out
[20:16] <mungbean> about to blow away a win8 laptop - will win7 installer ask me about keeping original partitions?
[20:16] <mungbean> i.e the factory reset one
[20:17] <directhex> mungbean, yes.
[20:17] <diplo> You can go through disk partitions with win7
[20:17] <diplo> Need to click a link first though
[20:17] <diplo> From memory
[20:17] <directhex> mungbean, when you load the installer, you can do an upgrade or a custom. it will likely grey out the upgrade option in this instance since it's a downgrade
[20:17] <directhex> then it'll ask you which partition to install onto, allowing you to delete existing ones and create new ones
[20:18] <mungbean> sweet ,ta
[20:18] <mungbean> dont have win8 disk so in trouble if the drivers on win7 dont work
[20:19] <directhex> yeah, annoying that you can't just download a win8 iso easily
[20:19] <directhex> win7 isos are downloadable by all
[20:20] <directhex> fwiw, MSDN win8 media works with OEM keys
[20:23] <mungbean> there's a win8 iso at work but i'd have to wait
[20:23] <mungbean> and its a full on fail either way :D
[20:23] <mungbean> shame cos mother in law only uses for gmail and openoffice, but not really my place to offer ubuntu
[20:26] <mungbean> this laptop is massive
[20:26] <mungbean> 17inch+
[20:29] <mungbean> first time looking at win8,within 1 sec i accidentally moved a tile somwhere
[20:29] <diplo> :P
[20:29] <mungbean> help me out guys - how to get to desktop?
[20:29] <mungbean> ah, win-D
[20:30] <diplo> aobut to say, not tried it but it used to be win-d
[20:30] <mungbean> no start menu tho
[20:30] <zleap> there is in 8.1 aparently
[20:31] <mungbean> touchpad clicks seem unrepsonsive
[20:31] <mungbean> weird
[20:35] <mungbean> this is hideous
[20:35] <mungbean> its going
[20:35] <mungbean> in the bin
[20:39] <directhex> start menu you press the windows key, or move the cursor to the bottom-left corner and left click
[20:39] <directhex> there's no start *button*, but there is a start menu
[20:40] <mungbean> directhex: brings the tile display up
[20:40] <mungbean> no way to actually run notepad
[20:41] <mungbean> ok, started tpying blindly
[20:41] <mungbean> pops up with a thing
[20:42] <directhex> mungbean, typeahead find exists in the start screen
[20:42] <mungbean> yep, was expecting a launcher, but just type
[20:42] <mungbean> even gnome3 is better than this tripe
[20:43] <directhex> well, if you want to get technical, you can get the full apps list without typing by bringing up the start screen, then clicking on the search charm
[20:45] <mungbean> have two pages of complaints about this
[20:45] <mungbean> gmail not working in firefox, etc ,etc
[20:45] <mungbean> seems to work but she's probably not doing what i'm doing (win-D run firefox)
[20:46] <mungbean> no reboot button..
[20:49] <mungbean> gonna stop making obvious observations now...
[20:54] <mungbean> except that the win7 installer has hung :(
[21:02] <mungbean> http://imgur.com/a8jVy02
[21:02] <mungbean> could be a bad dvd/iso..
[21:07] <diddledan_> mungbean, methinks you're doing it wrong
[21:07] <diddledan_> here: www.ubuntu.com/download
[21:07] <diddledan_> :-p

[21:09] <mungbean> definitely agree
[21:09] <mungbean> hate windows with passion
[21:10] <mungbean> HA!
[21:10] <mungbean> "I ran into the same problem with a Toshiba laptop that had Windows 8 on it. I had to change a setting in the BIOS under Boot Mode from UEFI Boot to CSM Boot. As soon as I did this, I could boot from any of my CD/DVDs and USB devices.
[21:10] <mungbean> "
[21:10] <mungbean> btw ubuntu would have been same
[21:10] <diddledan_> ubuntu supports uefi boot
[21:11] <mungbean> "Wouldn't boot off the USB, wouldn't boot Ubuntu with the cd.
[21:11] <diddledan_> windows 7 _should_ support it
[21:11] <mungbean> Was going to try and format the drive with Linux but couldn't get it to boot."
[21:11] <mungbean> tosh hobbled it
[21:11] <diddledan_> hmm
[21:11] <diddledan_> sounds like my half-assed BIOS from gigabyte - hybrid-efi my arse!
[21:11] <mungbean> gonna tackle this tomorrow
[21:12] <mungbean> too hot and sweaty for windows
[21:12] <diddledan_> sexytime with a hot sweaty ubuntu?
[21:12] <diddledan_> ooh yeah baby!
[21:13] <diddledan_> uuuu .... buuuuuun .... TUUUUU :-p
[21:19] <mungbean> gonna create a forum account to thank that internet stranger
[21:19] <diddledan_> must have been an awesome post :-p
[23:07] <dogmatic69> oh man, what has happened to rhythm box in 13.04?
[23:07] <dogmatic69> Tried playing music on my NAS and now my HDD is full :/
[23:08] <dogmatic69> though it was strange it was taking long to load the songs, in 12.04 it took around 30 seconds to load 8k songs
[23:08] <dogmatic69> now it literally imports them


[11:18] <gatox> good morning!
[11:18] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:19] <mandel> gatox, sorry for yesterday, I could not get in irc for some unknown reason..
[11:20] <mandel> gatox, and I managed to fix the nexus 7 like at 3 am..
[11:20] <gatox> mandel, no problem! yesterday was a strange day..... everything work ok..... and i fix inmediately the compilation issues jeje
[11:21] <mandel> gatox, awesome!
[11:21] <gatox> mandel, yes..... i read your twit! \o/
[11:21] <mandel> gatox, we still have problems with nux, we have found several issues
[11:21] <mandel> gatox, yes, very badly written one.. it was to late to type ;)
[11:21] <gatox> mandel, i ifnish with app payment preview, standalone and libunity app payment protocol...... can you poiint to the test so i start writing that for error and app?
[11:22] <mandel> gatox, hm.. take a look at the tests done for the ActionLink, they are under tests/test_action_link.cpp that shows how to use mock and gtest
[11:22] <mandel> gatox, should be easy enough
[11:22] <gatox> mandel, take a deep breath and think about happy things.....
[11:22]  * gatox tries to avoid mandel to killing himself because of nux
[11:23] <mmcc> hi guys. good luck with that nux stuff
[11:23] <mandel> mmcc, no.. is very very broken.. we have found more than one bug while looking for the one that is hitting us..
[11:24] <mmcc> ping ralsina, vila, I left a new build in the usual place, and sent an email with details about how to test. Feel free to queue up any questions about it and I'll respond when I wake up
[11:24] <mandel> gatox, yes, well, layouts are terribly broken and I think that the StaticCairoText not only breaks layouts but does not work as advertised, ellipse text is not working as it should
[11:24] <gatox> mmcc, what are you doing here at this hours? :P
[11:24] <mmcc> mandel: yeah I saw some of your discussion from yesterday, sounds rough.
[11:25]  * gatox is still using his phone as a router today :
[11:25] <gatox> :S
[11:25] <mmcc> gatox: just finishing up that build for QA, then heading to bed. one of those days
[11:25] <gatox> mmcc, :S
[11:26] <mmcc> so that's it for me tonight, see everyone in a few hours
[11:27] <gatox> mmcc, rest!
[11:27] <gatox> have some rest
[11:29] <mandel> mmcc, fuuu I'll let ralsina know you are meant to be awake like 2 hours today
[12:14] <ralsina_> mmcc: wtf
[12:17] <mandel> ralsina_, yes, I was going to tell you, I'd assume mmcc will not be here today much
[12:17] <ralsina_> mmcc: consider today swapped to last night, go away ;-)
[12:53] <karni> Morning all!
[12:55] <ralsina_> morning karni!
[12:55] <karni> o/
[12:55] <karni> ralsina_: I noticed that underscore a few days back. That's due to using bip or just not identified?
[12:56] <ralsina_> I need to id I guess
[12:56] <karni> :)
[12:56] <ralsina> there :-)
[12:56] <karni> Now "You're the one." :D
[13:00]  * ralsina starts the Highlander sound track
[13:06] <alecu_> hello, all!
[13:08] <karni> Hi alecu_ :)
[13:14] <gatox> i have decent internet again!! \o/
[13:20] <ralsina> hello alecu_!
[13:21] <gatox> alecu_, hi
[19:54] <chaselivingston> ralsina, mmcc: any way i can get my hands on the new mac build that qa has?
[19:55] <ralsina> chaselivingston: of course, let me find the link
[19:55] <chaselivingston> ralsina: awesome, thanks
[19:55] <mmcc> chaselivingston: it's in a zip in the shared folder that I shared with you back in August
[19:56] <mmcc> How about I just fwd you the email I sent qa
[19:56] <chaselivingston> mmcc: ah, well ralsina just sent me the link, but thanks anyway!
[19:56] <mmcc> shady back-door messaging
[19:56] <chaselivingston> haha
[19:57] <mmcc> I sent you the email anyway. It has significant detail, so I wouldn't bother reading it all unless you have trouble getting to sleep
[19:58] <chaselivingston> mmcc: you're so kind, thanks ;)


[00:17] <mathomastech> Trying to find my weechat config finals but can't remember where it is. Any suggestions?
[00:23] <mathomastech> nm found it. They hid it in the home directory :S
[11:22] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:25] <snap-l> Got JoDee a new battery pack for her laptop
[11:26] <snap-l> The instructions say "Never Hammer a Nail into the battery pack"
[12:52] <snap-l> http://mp3tribute.com/
[13:06] <snap-l> This makes me happy on so many levels
[13:06] <snap-l> Not happy for Aaron's untimely passing, which should have never come to pass
[13:12] <rick_h_> morning
[13:14] <snap-l> r we having fun yet?
[13:14] <rick_h_> oh party
[13:14] <rick_h_> almost had an accident on the way to day care...still shaking a bit
[13:14] <rick_h_> closests I've come in a long time...darn ice
[13:14] <snap-l> Oh god. You OK?
[13:15] <rick_h_> cleared my first ditch in the new car :)
[13:15] <snap-l> Is Michael OK?
[13:15] <rick_h_> yea, just end of sub division road was ice
[13:15] <snap-l> Oh, so kept on going?
[13:15] <rick_h_> so hit the brakes (at 25mph) and kept sliding with crossing traffic coming
[13:16] <snap-l> Yipes
[13:16] <brousch> eek
[13:20] <rick_h_> anyway, managed to turn away from teh traffic and do a u-turn around the corner, into the ditch and back out where I started
[13:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: glad you're safe, regardless
[15:25] <snap-l> Well that was weird
[15:30] <rick_h_> that good?
[15:30] <snap-l> freenode reset on me
[15:30] <snap-l> But otherwise looks fine
[16:20] <dzho> moo
[16:21] <greg-g> rick_h_: holy cow man, eek
[18:45] <snap-l> We having fun yet?
[18:46] <brousch> Yes
[19:16] <rick_h_> greg-g: is the bart running 24hrs?
[19:18] <rick_h_> or I guess it looks from around 4:30am ish through around 1am depending on stop
[19:21] <greg-g> yeah, not 24hr, stupidly
[19:21] <rick_h_> hmmm, I hate sucky flight choices
[19:25] <greg-g> I'm experiencing my first OMG TOO MANY USERS EDITING WIKIPEDIA ALL AT ONCE ops firealarm firsthand, #popedotted
[19:25] <rick_h_> lol
[19:25] <rick_h_> "conflict encountered"
[19:25] <greg-g> mysql db connection errors
[19:26] <greg-g> cache hit shittyness with mobile users
[19:26] <greg-g> you know, the usual
[19:26] <rick_h_> heh
[19:26] <rick_h_> greg-g: is LAX as crappy as experience at an airport as I'd assume it is?
[19:27]  * rick_h_ really doesn't want to connect through there
[19:27] <greg-g> it sucks, you have to walk outside to get to the other terminals (if you have to switch them, I did when I did International-> Domestic there)
[19:27] <greg-g> plus, full of LA people
[19:28] <greg-g> like, muscle shirt guys
[19:28] <rick_h_> yea, if I fly into OAK I have to go through LAX. but if I go to SFO I have to leave SFO at 7am...which will be a pita to get to
[19:28] <rick_h_> lol
[19:29] <brousch> Where ya headin?
[19:29] <rick_h_> oakland
[19:30] <brousch> but why?
[19:30] <rick_h_> think I'll just SFO and pay for the cab back at 4am ugh
[19:30] <rick_h_> oh, for work later on.
[19:30] <rick_h_> was much easier when I could just drive
[19:31] <snap-l> Pope JOrge
[19:32] <rick_h_> orly?
[19:32] <rick_h_> so he takes a new name? one day I should look into how this works
[19:34] <snap-l> Yeah, he's Pope Francis 1
[19:41] <rick_h_> greg-g: have to get together and try to do dinner at least one night while I'm closer than 1000 miles :)
[20:32] <greg-g> rick_h_: indeed :)
[20:57] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1a7gns/whenever_somebody_sends_you_a_pull_request_give/
[20:58] <snap-l> Um, I call bullshit
[20:58] <snap-l> Facilitate contribution, yes, but this is the equivalent of marrying the first person who asks you on a date
[21:11] <snap-l> It's flurrying outside
[21:11] <snap-l> what the heck?
[23:56] <rick_h_> so um.... greg-g how's newsblur?


[04:34] <Torikun> oi
[04:34] <nhaines> I wish Ubuntu hadn't erased Ubuntu Business Remix from history.
[04:35] <nhaines> (And by Ubuntu I mean Canonical.)
[04:35] <nhaines> Makes my job as a consultant much more difficult.
[16:48] <Torikun> yo
[17:03] <raevol> yo
[19:41] <jyo> Holy USN deluge, Batman!
[19:47] <jyo> Wait, just policykit, Thunderbird and libvirt.
[19:54] <bkerensa> jyo: thunderbird is fixed upstream
[19:54] <bkerensa> Ubuntu just needs to merge the fixes in


[00:00] <sem> yeah; let me read the terminal scrollup bc I think it had a different device name
[00:01] <sem> no it is the same one, not sure why it took a while to go from down to up but I'll have to remember that for next time
[00:01] <JanC> no, I think it was just still busy setting up a connection or something like that
[00:02] <JanC> the ethernet chip inside that usb thing would have to "boot" after you plug it in too, no idea how long that takes  :)
[00:03] <JanC> or maybe upload a firmware to it
[00:33] <ghil> Hello there! Quick question: I've been trying to install 23.10, and it doesn't see my NVME at all. I've installed Ubuntu numerous times in the past and it always worked fine. Would the best course of action be to install the LTS and then update?
[00:35] <tomreyn> ghil: it's probably some setting in your bios which prevents ubuntu from seeing it.
[00:36] <tomreyn> disable 'Intel RST' or 'RAID' configurations
[00:38] <ghil> Yeah I thought so too that I had reactivated something since last time but it's not time. It kind of sees it, but only as manual partitioning, and doesn't work even then. Fedora installed fine on it (am running currently on that). The NVME is in AHCPI or something like that, and secure boot is off.
[00:40] <tomreyn> i should say that "it doesn't see my NVME at all" != "it kind of sees it, but only as manual partitioning"
[00:40] <Guest74> Hi! I am struggling to find A4-4300M with Radeon HD 7420G drivers for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS OS. Is it true that the only solution to remove/solve this error from the boot screen is to downgrade Ubuntu to 15.04 as this is the latest one which officially supports the A4-4300M with Radeon HD 7420G according to
[00:40] <Guest74> https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-lin-15-9 ?
[00:40] <tomreyn> if fedora installed fine on it with the same bios settings, then, yes, try the LTS
[00:40] <ghil> Sorry, am a bit confounded at the problem. it sometimes barely sees it, and can't really interact with it (You can erase the partitions, but then the disk disappear
[00:41] <ghil> Will I be able to update the LTS to 23.10?
[00:42] <sarnold> ghil: yeah, you ought to be able to upgrade, I think there's a file to edit to allow that LTS -> non-LTS transition
[00:42] <ghil> That makes sense. I'll try that. Nothing against Fedora, but I really want to see where Ubuntu as gone since I last used it a couple of years ago.
[00:43] <tomreyn> Guest74: you shouldn't need drivers. try just installing ubuntu, it should work out of the box.
[00:44] <sarnold> ghil: I think /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades is the file you'd need to poke to allow the upgrade
[00:44] <Guest74> tomreyn: a black screen during every boot includes a message "_common_interrupt: 1.55 No irq handler for vector" and ACPI errors appear
[00:45] <tomreyn> Guest74: does it still finish booting, though?
[00:46] <ghil> @sarnold thanks! I'll look that up on the otherside of the install :)
[00:47] <xangua> Guest74: I have those "errors" too, AMD A4, on Ubuntu, Debian, any distro. No issues using the computer.
[00:47] <Guest74> tomreyn: yes, I can use Ubuntu 22.04 LTS normally but I am trying to find a way to solve/remove all messages appearing during the boot
[00:47] <sarnold> ghil: once you've got it installed, install all the updates, edit that file, and then do-release-upgrade -- I think that's about all it'll take
[00:48] <sarnold> Guest74: you might be able to get some of them to go away by fiddling with BIOS settings; others of them could only go away by convincing your BIOS vendor to provide updates for things
[00:48] <sem> I also have those no irq handler for vector errors
[00:48] <sem> but i boot ok
[00:49] <sem> The other way I've seen of getting those errors to go away involves sending them to a different virtual terminal, but then you won't see real errors either...
[00:51] <tomreyn> Guest74: according to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>this is an AMD AGESA BIOS bug. I.e. a portionof the BIOS that AMD manages and needs to provide updates for to the mainboard manufacturer is buggy.
[00:51] <sarnold> you can also change the loglevels of the console so that you never see them :)
[00:52] <tomreyn> Guest74: a bios upgrade might help. to see which one you have:  journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[00:52] <sarnold> maybe fwupd can help there
[00:52] <sarnold> but not enough vendors use it :(
[00:52] <Guest74> sarnold: I have read too that changing something in BIOS helps for some people but it seems that the AMD is officially supporting Ubuntu up to 15.04 for this AMD version
[00:53] <sarnold> Guest74: .. for that specific proprietary driver
[00:54] <tomreyn> amd only provides limited driver support for graphics chipsets. i think this is what you are referring to. they do cooperate with linux developers, though, and this has allowed open source graphics driver support to become part of the linux kernel
[00:55] <Guest74> tomreyn: I got "kernel: DMI: Hewlett-Packard HP ProBook 4545s/17ED, BIOS 68CPD Ver. F.68 03/28/2018" from your mentioned command
[00:57] <Guest74> tomreyn: AMD customer care answered: "AMD release the drivers in accordance with operating system support". That means the cooperation between AMD and Ubuntu support has not been fruitful regarding Radeon HD 7420G?
[00:58] <tomreyn> Guest74: you are using ubuntu 22.04 and got graphical output. that's partially a result of a fruitful cooperation of amd and linux kernel developers.
[01:01] <tomreyn> Guest74: you already have the latest bios available
[01:01] <tomreyn> that's according to https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/hp-probook-4545s-notebook-pc/5229461
[01:01] <tomreyn> so you might just need to live with this message, or try what sarnold suggested
[01:02] <sarnold> Guest74: AMD wants you to buy new hardware. they aren't going to put a ton of effort into supporting a ten year old GPU on a brand new OS
[01:03] <sarnold> Guest74: that's why they haven't supported that processor in their proprietary drivers for nine years
[01:03] <Guest74> tomreyn: indeed but how to make the aforementioned errors disappear? AMD suggests to wait for official driver update but it is not published since Ubuntu 15.04 came out.
[01:03] <sarnold> Guest74: luckily for you, the open source drivers are better supported :)
[01:04] <Guest74> which one is better: fwupd or loglevels hiding?
[01:04] <sarnold> they do different things
[01:04] <sarnold> fwupd is more likely to fix problems, add new features, etc
[01:04] <sarnold> loglevel hiding lets you focus on more important things in life
[01:06] <tomreyn> fwupd won't help if there's no newer bios available, though
[01:09] <Guest74> sarnold how to change the loglevels of the console?
[01:13] <sarnold> Guest74: you'd add a new loglevel=2  or loglevel=3 or something similar parameter to your kernel command line; the kernel documentation on the setting is in https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt -- you'd edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub and then reboot
[01:18] <Guest74> sarnold: if I choose 3, then all the entries 4-7 are ignored?
[01:20] <tomreyn> Guest74: yes
[01:20] <Guest74> I can see "GRUB_DEFAULT=0
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash atkbd.reset"
[01:20] <Guest74> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="""
[01:20] <tomreyn> Guest74: you got muted for pasting into this channel. use a pastebin instead, see what Drone / ubottu told you
[01:21] <tomreyn> the line you will need to edit is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[01:22] <tomreyn>  add the loglevel instruction behind     atkbd.reset    and before the trailing   "
[01:22] <tomreyn> then run    sudo update-grub    and reboot
[01:23] <tomreyn> Guest74: you can now talk again
[01:25] <sarnold> Guest74: here's what I've got https://termbin.com/lmaj
[01:25] <sarnold> Guest74: oh hah somehow I thought you wanted to see what mine is. nevermind :)
[01:27] <Guest74> Should I worry about https://pastebin.com/2VSDm8zD ?
[01:28] <tomreyn> no
[01:28] <Guest74> I mean 16-bit boot, os-prober ?
[01:28] <Guest74> Why it stated "Adding boot menu entry for UEFI Firmware Settings"? Is it about the line I just added to grub?
[01:28] <sarnold> I uninstalled os-prober because I didn't want it cluttering up my logs all the time, but if you dual-boot it might be worth keeping it around
[01:29] <sarnold> or if you *might* dual-boot ..
[01:29] <sarnold> memtest eventually gets an EFI version :) so hopefully in a future release that message will go away on its own *and* it'll be useful to you again
[01:30] <tomreyn> the "boot menu entry for uefi firmware settings" is where grub tells you that it has added an option to access the bios setup menu from its (grub) menu
[01:30] <tomreyn> for convenience
[01:31] <Guest74> Great, thank you! So much!
[01:31] <jwash> hi everyone, i have a program that wants me to Alt + L click, but Ubuntu will grab the window and move it instead
[01:32] <jwash> is there a way to disable grab window with Alt + L click
[01:32] <sem> jwash, maybe if you go into settings and to keyboard shortcuts you can disable the alt-l shortcut
[01:32] <sem> unless you tried that already
[01:35] <sarnold> jwash: alt+drag has been a standard way to move windows around for a few decades; perhaps the program has a way to let you remap whatever it is doing, rather than trying to remap your window manager instead
[01:36] <tomreyn> i don't think default mutter / gnome-shell have an Alt-L keyboard shortcut doing what you describe ("grab window with Alt + L click") out of the box.
[01:36] <sarnold> tomreyn: not alt+l, alt + (MOUSE LEFT CLICK)
[01:36] <tomreyn> oh that could be
[01:37] <tomreyn> it's meta then, though
[03:08] <italicizem> is there a Rhino-like distro with KDE or does Rhino support it?
[03:08] <rbox> what is rhino
[03:09] <rbox> rhino-like*
[03:09] <jwash> tomreyn sarnold the answer was to use <windows key> + <alt> + <l mouse click>
[04:16] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS and I using Firefox 120.0.1 (64-bit). I noticed that in /var/log/syslog, there are lots of lines like the following which shows firefox was trying to access the zsh history file. Does anybody know why it needs to access that file and if it is legit?
[04:16] <mojtaba> Jan 15 21:59:32 HOST kernel: [224076.488920] audit: type=1400 audit(1705373972.859:21753): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" name="/home/USER/.zsh_history" pid=10454 comm="pool-firefox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[04:23] <lunatiq> I'm getting asked to select what packages I want to install from  a gui and I don't know how to check to boxes
[04:24] <lunatiq> got it
[04:43] <arraybolt3> mojtaba: that's... disturbing and weird. I'd try doing a fresh install, adding (and switching to, if necessary) zsh, then only visit trusted sites and see if the problem reoccurs.
[04:43] <arraybolt3> There's zero good reason that I can think of for Firefox to want to access that file.
[04:45] <arraybolt3> hmm, actually might not be a problem
[04:45] <arraybolt3> mojtaba: over here I have AppArmor denials from FF trying to access my Bash history file.
[04:46] <arraybolt3> and I'm as certain as I can be that my system isn't compromised
[04:47] <arraybolt3> see also https://superuser.com/questions/1734502/why-is-firefox-accessing-my-viminfo-and-bash-history-files
[04:52] <arraybolt3> maybe it's something in the Snap itself doing it, not Firefox...
[05:12] <mojtaba> arraybolt3: So why it is trying to use the history?!!
[05:13] <arraybolt3> Dunno. I asked some people who might know though.
[05:13]  * arraybolt3 uses Google Chrome for most everything over here
[05:14] <mojtaba> Wanted to escape Google :)
[05:33] <thisisjaymehta> If Firfox is doing this, there is no one left to trust LOL
[05:38] <mojtaba> Does anybody else see the same log for firefox?
[06:05] <lunatiq> how do I mount a hdd? I've tried to do it but it says it already is but when I df -h it doesn't list
[06:12] <rbox> lunatiq: what command are you typ8ng, what error do yo uget
[06:15] <lunatiq> fdisk -l shows it as /dev/sda
[06:15] <lunatiq> I try to mount it but it says busy or already mounted
[06:15] <lunatiq> I show df -h and nothing
[06:26] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: What are you working from ?
[06:26] <lunatiq> cli
[06:27] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: cli on the install ? where sda contains the root file system ? or what ?
[06:28] <lunatiq> no it should be blank
[06:28] <lunatiq> root is /
[06:28] <lunatiq> sorry root are 2 nvme
[06:35] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: Sorry I am not communicating very wee. We need to know where your Present Working Directory is in respect to sda.
[06:35] <Bashing-om> wee/well*
[06:37] <lunatiq> How do I know that Bashing-om
[06:39] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: Got me - I sure can not know // what did you boot up ?
[06:40] <lunatiq> I have no idea what you're asking me
[06:40] <lunatiq> "what did I boot up" it's a server
[06:40] <lunatiq> It's 22.04 LTS and using SSH cli
[06:40] <lunatiq> it has a hdd but says it mounted when I try to mount it
[06:41] <lunatiq> I check the df -h and it is not listed
[06:41] <Bashing-om> lunatiq: A server that has it's boot code on the sda drive ?
[06:42] <lunatiq> no
[06:43] <ravage> so you have a blank HDD probably
[06:43] <ravage> send the output of: fdisk -l /dev/sda | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:45] <ravage> (that assumes you are root)
[07:01] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/q9bn
[07:01] <lunatiq> Sorry it took so long
[07:02] <ravage> that drive is or was part of a raid
[07:03] <ravage> so what do you expect to be on there?
[07:03] <lunatiq> I'm installing a panel and it doesn't have this drive available
[07:04] <ravage> so you do not need the existing data on that drive?
[07:05] <lunatiq> No
[07:06] <ravage> if you are sure that is correct you should wipe that drive first
[07:07] <ravage> then. and only then you use: wipefs -a /dev/sda
[07:07] <ravage> and then follow https://techguides.yt/guides/how-to-partition-format-and-auto-mount-disk-on-ubuntu-20-04/
[07:08] <ravage> also if that is a server you rent and they provided you with this drive you should find a new privider
[07:08] <ravage> they probably gave you a drive with existing old customer data
[07:10] <ravage> really make sure that this drive is not already part of any raid that is active on your system
[07:11] <lunatiq> ravage its a fresh hetzner server
[07:11] <lunatiq> I'm installing a app and it doesn't list the hdd as available
[07:11] <lunatiq> it only lists the nvme
[07:11] <lunatiq> that's raid
[07:12] <ravage> can you send the output of: fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:12] <ravage> and: mount | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:13] <ravage> also: cat /prod/mdstat | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:19] <ravage> Sorry last one is proc
[07:19] <ravage> Not prod
[07:21] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/sajj
[07:22] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/ns88
[07:22] <lunatiq> https://termbin.com/gkh4
[07:23] <ravage> Ok you should be safe to wipe that HDd
[07:24] <ravage> Use the wipefs command and report back if it successfully removed all 3 partitions
[07:24] <CosmicDJ> are you sure? sda seems to be part of the mdraid devices "md2 : active raid5 sda3[3] nvme0n1p3[1] nvme1n1p3[0]"
[07:25] <ravage> Oh but that would be really bad
[07:25] <ravage> Why would you mix nvme with hdd
[07:26] <ravage> In that case I would recommend a reinstall and make sure that does not happen
[07:26] <lunatiq> it's a fresh install
[07:27] <ravage> Then their install system is messed up
[07:27] <ravage> That is a combination that should not be configured
[07:27] <ravage> See if you can change that on a reinstall
[07:28] <ravage> I don't know how their interface worke
[07:28] <ravage> Works
[07:28] <ravage> Make sure you only put the NVMEs in a raid
[07:28] <lunatiq> I don't have any control over that
[07:28] <lunatiq> It just allows me to install a OS
[07:29] <ravage> Then contact the support
[07:29] <ravage> You really don't want to use the system like this
[07:30] <lunatiq> I'm going to ask someone else thanks
[07:31] <ravage> https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/operating-systems/installimage/
[07:35] <lunatiq> I don't understand
[07:35] <lunatiq> That's why i came here for help
[07:35] <lunatiq> I tried 2 of the commands and it didn't work
[07:36] <ravage> maybe it is better to find someone who knows about that stuff
[07:36] <ravage> we can only help with the Ubuntu part
[07:36] <ravage> you need help with the basic setup of a dedicated server
[07:39] <CosmicDJ> lunatiq: you can use this setup but the sda disk will slow down both NVMe disks; since you bought a dedicated server you might want to use the full disk I/O speed?!
 Good day. So, I tried a previous kernel and it boots up without an issue. 6.3.14 is the problem one, I loaded into 6.3.39 I think. But as a side note, I've noticed my windows partition get slow when its booting. It may be a separate issue or connected?
[07:58] <Bluewolf> Sorry, its: Linux version 6.5.0-14-generic which is the problematic one.
[08:19] <Kartagis> I have a problem. I have installed Ubuntu desktop in UTM on Mac. However, the grub menu stayed the same. How can I at least boot to a specific option?
[09:55] <OnkelTem> Hi all. Is ufw a thing? Can I use it or it's too buggy?
[09:56] <OnkelTem> I don't know what's wrong with it, but right after installation, w/o any config, it fails all the time
[09:56] <OnkelTem> I just needed to add a simple NAT rule, but nah... No way
[09:56] <Habbie> i liked ufw until i wanted NAT; it's just not made for that
[09:57] <Habbie> random search engine hit - it's not a -big- hack to add it https://gist.github.com/kimus/9315140
[10:00] <OnkelTem> Habbie: w/o any rules it doesn't work on almost fresh system, that's the thing
[10:00] <OnkelTem> I mean, with the default set of rules
[10:00] <Habbie> "doesn't work"?
[10:01] <OnkelTem> so I install it, then run `sudo ufw enable` and get this:
[10:01] <OnkelTem> damn, let me restart
[10:02] <OnkelTem> https://dpaste.org/G0Yrg
[10:22] <rs2009> hey y'all, I've been trying to get Ubuntu 22.04 and 23.10 working without any graphical issues on a 14900H with Iris Xe graphics (a7a0); there appears to be a "grid" of continuously flickering "box"es (whenever there's a new frame rendered, that is if there's any movement on the screen) on GNOME with Wayland, while on X11 there are boxes
[10:22] <rs2009> exhibiting.
[10:22] <rs2009> the same behavior passing through the center of the screen (not a grid per se, just a line of boxes through the center)
[10:25] <rs2009> I've tried several boot parameters (i915.enable_psr=0, i915.enable_fbc=0, intel_idle.max_cstate=4), and even tried a custom-compiled kernel with the new Xe drivers (which just panics with this particular iGPU for some reason) with absolutely no luck; this doesn't happen if I disable i915 with nomodeset of course, so I was wondering if anyone's
[10:25] <rs2009> faced anything similar with Iris Xe graphics and if there's any way to get it working I'm unaware of
[10:30] <fweht> i seem to have conflicting node installs, i installed node 20 from snap and node 18 with apt, can i savely remove node via apt and all dependencies?  will the node from snap automatically appear in my path?
[10:33] <ravage> Snap is in your path on a default installation
[10:33] <ravage> Usually even before your other paths
[10:35] <fweht> ravage: ok cool, so ill delete the rest
[10:39] <Kartagis> Firefox keeps crashing on me. Why is that?
[10:39] <Kartagis> this is really annoying
[10:40] <Kartagis> this gets really annoying after 4-5 times*
[10:41] <Kartagis> and it keeps happening when I try syncing
[10:52] <tomreyn> Kartagis: do you have some more information? whch ubuntu release are you running ( lsb_release -ds ), is your system all updated? are you using the snap or a different firefox installation?
[10:52] <tomreyn> which firefox version is this?
[10:54] <tomreyn> does it also happen when you run firefox in troubleshoot mode? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/diagnose-firefox-issues-using-troubleshoot-mode
[10:56] <tomreyn> when you run firefox normally, but start it from a terminal (emulator) window, does it print anything by the time it is crashing?
[10:56] <Kartagis> tomreyn: 22.04.3. yes it's updated. I don't know if it's snap or something else. I can't tell you the version because it crashed as soon as I ran it.
[10:57] <tomreyn> Kartagis: what does    readlink -f $(which firefox)    return?
[10:58] <Kartagis> tomreyn: a question though. does it matter if I have installed ubuntu in an emulator on a Mac with Apple Silicon chip?
[10:59] <tomreyn> it could matter in that you may be running the non-default (amd64) architecture, and in that the ubuntu installation might be customized
[10:59] <tomreyn> how did you install ubuntu there?
[11:00] <Kartagis> tomreyn: I fired up UTM and installed Ubuntu.
[11:01] <tomreyn> UTM is?
[11:01] <tomreyn> ah, some virtualization software for mac
[11:01] <Kartagis> tomreyn: readlink says /usr/bin/firefox
[11:01] <tomreyn> and you installe dubuntu by downloading it's .ISO file from ubuntu.com ?
[11:02] <Kartagis> tomreyn: that's right
[11:03] <tomreyn> okay, so that's a proper installation, cool.
[11:03] <tomreyn> firefox -v    says what?
[11:06] <Kartagis> tomreyn: firefox exited again the terminal said exiting due to a channel error
[11:06] <Kartagis> firefox -v says 116.0.2
[11:07] <Kartagis> is that only old or way old?
[11:07] <ravage> too old for sure
[11:08] <ravage> make sure firefox is closed and run: sudo snap refresh firefox
[11:08] <tomreyn> maybe that's esr? but i don't think ubuntu provides that
[11:09] <dawnbreaker> ubuntu server arm iso maybe does
[11:09] <dawnbreaker> i was watching a utm youtube
[11:10] <ravage> Kartagis: what is the output of: uname -a
[11:10] <Kartagis> maybe I should install server and GUI on top of that. because I need GUI
[11:11] <dawnbreaker> falkon is a good web browser too
[11:11] <Kartagis> Linux tolgaozses 6.5.0-14-generic #14~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Nov 20 18:15:30 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:12] <ravage> ok so this is a normal x64 install
[11:12] <Kartagis> oh look, clipboard works
[11:12] <tomreyn> 22.04 arm64 defaults to the snap as well, and it provides the same version as amd64
[11:12] <ravage> snap should give you the latest stable version
[11:13] <tomreyn> it would be better idea to install the ubuntu arm64 architecture build on this device, though
[11:13] <ravage> that is 121 right now
[11:13] <Kartagis> tomreyn: I need amd64, I have a piece of docker software which platform dependent.
[11:13] <tomreyn> yes snap 121 is stable
[11:13] <tomreyn> there is esr/stable (116.6esd-1), too
[11:14] <tomreyn> there is esr/stable (115.6.0esr-1), too
[11:14] <tomreyn> sorry, i'm fat fingered
[11:14] <ravage> but then he installed that version manually at some point
[11:14] <ravage> and yes that would be 115 not 116
[11:14] <tomreyn> i think the esr snap would report that it is "esr" on -v
[11:15] <tomreyn> so, ye,s looks like a mnual, outdated, firefox installation
[11:15] <Kartagis> ...and firefox crashed again
[11:16] <tomreyn> Kartagis: so what does   snap list firefox    and    apt list --installed firefox   say?
[11:17] <Kartagis> tomreyn: if you're asking if it's a snap, yes snap list listed firefox
[11:17] <tomreyn> and what happens when you   sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -V    ? pleasde show the full output on a pastebin, we suggest https://dpaste.com
[11:20] <Kartagis> upgrading now
[11:21] <tomreyn> hope this fixes it - i got to leave for now. good luck!
[11:22] <Kartagis> thanks a lot
[11:27] <tomreyn> you're welcome - if you run into more / related issues, just ask again
[11:27] <Kartagis> wee, it didn't crash now.
[11:27] <Kartagis> it is syncing
[11:29] <tomreyn> running outdated software is dangerous, try to make sure that updates will happen automatically or you have a weekly schedule + reminder to install updates manually
[11:30] <Kartagis> will do that
[11:34] <dawnbreaker> tell us if it works
[11:44] <Kartagis> for some fricking reason, it just started crashing again. I have no other way but to install chrome and import my bookmarks
[11:45] <Kartagis> it being firefox
[11:45] <Kartagis> if not ff itself, the tab crashes
[11:49] <dawnbreaker> how much ram do you have..maybe idk
[11:51] <Kartagis> dawnbreaker: I allocated 4gb
[11:55] <dawnbreaker> kinda small amount but idk how much you need
[11:56] <dawnbreaker> you can run firefox from a terminal and see if theres errors when it crashes
[11:58] <dawnbreaker> oh wait that doesnt work
[11:58] <dawnbreaker> it escapes
[12:00] <Kartagis> dabbill: the terminal says "exiting due to a channel error"
[12:01] <Kartagis> dawnbreaker: the terminal says "exiting due to a channel error"
[12:02] <Kartagis> dawnbreaker: I probably need more than 4gb because GUI
[12:02] <dawnbreaker> maybe snap refresh
[12:03] <dawnbreaker> google channels for snap
[12:14] <dawnbreaker> Kartagis: do snap refresh then snap install firefox
[12:15] <dawnbreaker> or remove it then install it again
[12:15] <tito> codevom
[12:16] <tito> hello every body
[13:38] <de-facto> what is this now? updates of my 22.04 popped up offering updates and now it REQUIRES UBUNTU PRO?
[13:39] <de-facto> did ubuntu just became non-free as of providing updates to users?
[13:40] <ravage> !pro | de-facro
[13:40] <de-facto> i cant update without it anymore: https://i.imgur.com/7d6qMIK.png
[13:41] <de-facto> i never activated any ubuntu pro, it enforces membership now for providing updates?
[13:41] <ravage> Please read the FAQ
[13:43] <de-facto> this really is offputting, i DONT want this ubuntu pro crap
[13:43] <de-facto> so how do i get updates without ubuntu pro now?
[13:44] <younder> I have use ubuntu for  18 years and have never used ubuntu pro
[13:44] <de-facto> and now they enforce it on users apparently
[13:44] <younder> Every 2 years erase you disk and  a new LTS version (or 4)
[13:45] <younder> Upgrades never turn out well anyhow. For me anyhow.
[13:45] <de-facto> if i cant get updates anymore its the end for ubuntu and me
[13:45] <ravage> Good luck on your future endeavors then
[13:46] <younder> If you have something you can't afford to loose back it up (and make sure it restores)
[13:47] <ravage> younder: sorry who are you talking to? Can we help your with something?
[13:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:53] <lunatiq> I don't understand how I can remove this raid. I've tried everything.
[13:53] <lunatiq> I've used installimage and removed the swraid 0
[13:53] <lunatiq> I have commented it
[13:53] <lunatiq> I have set raid 0
[13:54] <lunatiq> the hdd still doesn't show in fstab
[13:55] <CosmicDJ> lunatiq: raid0?! are you sure you want that? 1 failed disk and the whole raid is gone...
[13:56] <lunatiq> CosmicDJ I really dont want any raid at all
[13:57] <lunatiq> I've tried to remove it entirely but it won't
[13:58] <CosmicDJ> running wipefs from a rescue boot should clean your disks of any raid/lvm/fs traces... though you'll have to reinstall your OS then
[13:59] <leftyfb> lunatiq: I hope you're not expecting to "remove the swraid 0" and retain anything
[14:00] <lunatiq> https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/b161beda7c96440e884ba148ca2c87a8
[14:00] <lunatiq> This is what is available
[14:00] <leftyfb> lunatiq: just repartition and reformat the drive
[14:00] <lunatiq> how
[14:01] <leftyfb> fdisk, sgdisk, parted, gparted, mkfs, etc
[14:01] <lunatiq> You know what that means
[14:01] <lunatiq> I don't
[14:01] <leftyfb> lunatiq: open gparted
[14:02] <leftyfb> lunatiq: again, be less concerned about "removing raid" and just start the process of using the drive as you prefer. You will not be retaining any data off it
[14:05] <dnadev2_> hello. i want to install the xscreensaver package on 22.04 and noticed the installed version is very old (5.45), and the author recommends the newest version (6.08). so i have two questions: 1. is this package "safe" to use in general, i imagine theres a reason ubuntu doesnt ship with it/update the version. 2. if safe, how to install the latest version (hopefully using apt). thanks!
[14:06] <leftyfb> !latest | dnadev2_
[14:09] <dnadev2_> leftyfb: awesome thanks. so safest bet is to use whatever is ubuntu maintains as the "latest stable" in their eyes (generally speaking)
[14:10] <lunatiq> https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/dedicated-server/raid/software-raid/
[14:10] <lunatiq> found this!!!
[14:10] <lunatiq> OMG
[14:10] <lunatiq> I hope it works!
[14:13] <ll8> good lo/
[14:23] <dawnbreaker> why cant snaps write to another disk than my os disk?
[14:24] <dawnbreaker> how do i do it. i want to open the second disk in terminal then yt-dlp but says permission denied
[14:24] <dawnbreaker> i did chown myname disk
[14:25] <leftyfb> permission denied doesn't sound like a snap issue, it sounds like a permission issue
[14:25] <dawnbreaker> oh
[14:25] <leftyfb> dawnbreaker: can you "touch /path/to/disk/somefilename" ?
[14:26] <dawnbreaker> alls i did was format the new disk then go into media then chown myname disk
[14:26] <leftyfb> dawnbreaker: can you "touch /path/to/disk/somefilename" ?
[14:26] <dawnbreaker> hold on ill try
[14:27] <dawnbreaker> it did it but didnt return nothing in text in terminal
[14:28] <dawnbreaker> oh wait sorry
[14:28] <dawnbreaker> let me make file
[14:29] <dawnbreaker> yeah same thing. command goes through without any text output
[14:30] <ravage> If you write to a removable media there is a permission to allow that
[14:30] <lunatiq> why does mkfs take so long
[14:30] <lunatiq> for ext3
[14:31] <leftyfb> lunatiq: use ext4
[14:31] <ravage> If you want to write to another disk outside your home you have to use a bind mount
[14:31] <dawnbreaker> i can make folders on it and files with my user
[14:31] <dawnbreaker> but the yt-dlp snap says permission denied
[14:32] <dawnbreaker> geany ide allows me
[14:32] <dawnbreaker> geany is a deb
[14:34] <leftyfb> dawnbreaker: sudo snap connect yt-dlp:removable-media
[14:34] <dawnbreaker> ah cool thanks leftyfb
[14:41] <dawnbreaker> ok yeah works
[15:24] <tomreyn> Kartagis: "Exiting due to channel error" is a follow-up error message, where a child process chooses to exit because it's main process has 'vanished'. there should be more error messages before this one, indicating why the main prcess exited / failed.
[15:26] <tomreyn> Kartagis: see this for steps you can take to analyze this better, possibly solve it, or provide qualified feedback to Mozilla (who maintain the snap). https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/troubleshoot-firefox-crashes-closing-or-quitting
[15:27] <tomreyn> also make sure your snap is now the latest version, 121.0.1-1
[15:27] <tomreyn> firefox -v    should tell
[15:29] <tomreyn> you can also try starting firefox with --safe-mode or -P and create a new profile
[15:36] <SnoopJ> How do I query the installed version of a package in a locale-agnostic way? I am currently doing `apt-cache policy <pkg> | grep "Version:"` but this is not appropriate for a non-English locale, and I don't want to fix this multiple times for each language
[15:37] <SnoopJ> Sorry, that's `… | grep "Installed:"`
[15:43] <johnfg> hi folks
[15:44] <johnfg> This laptop I'm on finds my wifi fine.  Running 22.04.
[15:44] <johnfg> My other laptop is not finding it.  I've looked at settings, but don't see what's wrong.
[15:45] <johnfg> If I boot up windows, win 10 finds and connects to the wifi, then rebooting to ubuntu, it finds it.  What's up?
[15:46] <tomreyn> disable fast startup in windows
[15:48] <tomreyn> https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-or-enable-fast-startup-in-windows-8-1/
[15:48] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: LANG=C
[15:48] <johnfg> So you're thinking one laptop has that disabled and not the other?  They are almost clones.
[15:49] <SnoopJ> tomreyn, I need this to work without modifying the locale.
[15:51] <tomreyn> johnfg: i'm thinking that the laptop where linux is sometimes unable to initialize the wireless, experiences this when windows does not shut down cleanly, i.e. "fast startup", and the firmware is left in a bad state and not fully reinitialized on boot (to linux).
[15:51] <SnoopJ> or hm, maybe I can get away with it. But I'd much prefer to have a way to "just" ask the package system to tell me the version without doing that, it feels more brittle.
[15:52] <tomreyn> SnoopJ: dpkg-query has a --format option which lets you configure the output format as you wish.
[15:53] <SnoopJ> I was just looking at that. I think `dpkg-query --showformat="\${Version}" -W <pkg>` does what I wanted. Thanks.
[15:54] <tomreyn> ah so it's --showformat, not --format, sorry
[15:55] <tomreyn> i think --showformat and -W do the same, though
[15:58] <ioria> and still uses 'Version'
[15:59] <SnoopJ> it does but the format field names don't vary by locale
[15:59] <ioria> maybe : dpkg -l|grep -E '(^|\s)firefox($|\s)'| awk '{print $3}'
[16:00] <SnoopJ> (I replaced -W with --show in my real usage just to be consistent, as well)
[16:01] <SnoopJ> e.g. `LANGUAGE=ja dpkg-query --showformat="\${Version}" --show apt` works fine (a `ja` locale is where the originating issue came from, but a single success here gives me confidence enough)
[16:31] <IAmVeryLost>  i am currently running Ubuntu on my laptop with no other OS installed, i was wondering how can i dual boot Kali Linux.
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> !dualboot | IAmVeryLost
[16:32] <leftyfb> IAmVeryLost: can I ask why you think you need Kali Linux? You know a lot of the packages included are available to install in ubuntu right?
[16:34] <IAmVeryLost> Yea, i heard that kali has a lot of security programs so i wanted to try it. A couple of years ago i tried to install it on my raspberry pi with no luck. So i want to try it again
[17:38] <derek-shnosh> Ubuntu 23.10; A few times now, a dialogue box has popped up while I'm typing something and my key entries (space?) close it before I can read it. Is there a way to see recent prompts/dialogues in logs? Or elsewhere?
[17:53] <puff> Good afternoon.  I make extensive use of virtual desktops, but I also use an external monitor with my laptop.  Most of the time I have the laptop lid closed, but smetimes I need to use the web cam built into my laptop.  When I open the laptop, then all the windows I have open get moved to a single virtual desktop, and then I have to rearrange things.
[17:53] <puff> Is there any way to avoid this?
[18:44] <mojtaba> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS and I using Firefox 120.0.1 (64-bit). I noticed that in /var/log/syslog, there are lots of lines like the following which shows firefox was trying to access the zsh history file. Does anybody know why it needs to access that file and if it is legit?
[18:44] <mojtaba> (11:16:37 PM) mojtaba: Jan 15 21:59:32 HOST kernel: [224076.488920] audit: type=1400 audit(1705373972.859:21753): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" class="file" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" name="/home/USER/.zsh_history" pid=10454 comm="pool-firefox" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[18:57] <ioria> mojtaba, maybe : https://serverfault.com/questions/1113064/why-firefox-is-trying-to-access-bashrc
[18:57] <ioria> no sure
[19:08] <mojtaba> ioria: thanks
[19:29] <niigger> my name is niigger. but i prefer to be called niigger2
[19:30] <niigger> any wife here interested in bbc
[20:01] <bmbbsr> Hi I Need Help  I Did a  Update and distupgrade -> Autoremove and reboot  FROM ther no WIFI in the list to connect
[20:01] <bmbbsr> the iwlist scan does find all the networks
[20:02] <bmbbsr> please Help to bring the Wlan system back up
[20:22] <bmbbsr> noone here to help please
[20:24] <bprompt> bmbbsr:  hmmm well, you may want to ask first, if someone knows, they may jump in
[20:25] <bmbbsr> i did ask 2 times in the last 10min
[20:25] <bmbbsr> Hi I Need Help  I Did a  Update and distupgrade -> Autoremove and reboot  FROM ther no WIFI in the list to connect
[20:26] <bmbbsr> the iwlist scan does find all the networks
[20:26] <tomreyn> bmbbsr: whihc ubuntu release (version) did you upgrade from and to? what are you running now?
[20:26] <bmbbsr> im on 22.04 just updateted the packeges
[20:27] <bmbbsr> 6.5.0-14-generic #14~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Nov 20 18:15:30 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:27] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic 22.04
[20:28] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic jammy
[20:28] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-22.04 jammy
[20:29] <tomreyn> bmbbsr: is this computer currently online by other means?
[20:29] <bmbbsr> im on ETH
[20:29] <tomreyn> what does   lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999    print?
[20:30] <bmbbsr> https://termbin.com/1nsn
[20:30] <applecuckoo> tomreyn: it copies your usb info to a paste site and gives you a link to it.
[20:30] <tomreyn> so this is your wireless chipset:   148f:3070 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2870/RT3070 Wireless Adapter
[20:30] <bmbbsr> This is all Clear IT Just does not show any Network in the Top right WLAN sexction
[20:31] <bmbbsr> yes
[20:31] <bmbbsr> iwconfig scan showes all the networks
[20:32] <tomreyn> you will likely need to get a separate driver, or at least firmware
[20:34] <bmbbsr> GOT it
[20:34] <bmbbsr> sudo apt install wpasupplicant  DID the trick
[20:34] <tomreyn> huh, that was removed by autoremove?
[20:36] <tomreyn> network-manager recommends wpasupplicant, so it should not have been autoremoved, unless you removed network-manager?
[20:37] <bmbbsr52> the update must have killed some libs
[20:38] <Guest74> I am getting "ubsan array-index-out-of-bounds AMD radeon" style errors during boot. How to get rid of these?
[20:38] <bmbbsr52> sudo apt install wpasupplicant  did bring up all the fine things
[20:38] <bmbbsr52> now im on WIFI
[20:38] <bprompt> hehe
[20:39] <tomreyn> Guest74: install all pendig updates and reboot if it involves a kernel update. come back if the issue persists.
[20:40] <bmbbsr52> im off Thank you folkes for the Hint  to Manuell conect thrue iwconf
[20:40] <tomreyn> bmbbsr52: have a great day.
[20:40] <bmbbsr52> its near midnight here
[20:40] <tomreyn> and night
[20:54] <sarnold> jwash: WOO! Thanks for reporting back ;)
[21:58] <lunatiq> can you change mount location without damaging files?
[22:00] <bprompt> lunatiq: come again?  what are the specifics?   I mean, you can change a mount point to elsewhere, so long nothing is open while that happens, is fine
[22:00] <leftyfb> lunatiq: you unmount first, then remount somewhere else
[22:31] <stan101> what actuelly does "ubuntu-pro" do ??
[22:32] <ravage> !pro | stan101
[22:33] <stan101> is pro live application ??
[22:34] <sarnold> the pro program does some authentication and file things to enable the right apt sources, tokens, etc
[22:34] <stan101> I - on another new machine applied for pro - with no errors - it uploaded my entire machine - is this protocol ??
[22:37] <stan101> stan101: Ubuntu Pro is a service offered by Canonical for expanded CVE patching, ten-years security maintenance and optional support.
[22:37] <stan101> please advise.
[22:37] <sarnold> "uploaded my entire machine"?
[22:37] <stan101> it sure did
[22:37] <stan101> i watched it
[22:38] <stan101> it took 6 mins to do so.
[22:38] <ogra_> wha does that even mean ?
[22:38] <ogra_> *what
[22:39] <stan101> exactly- explain.
[22:39] <ravage> not sure what you watched but Ubuntu Pro does not upload anything
[22:39] <ogra_> right
[22:39] <stan101> wrong
[22:39] <stan101> i watched it upload fr 6 mins
[22:39] <ravage> so we agree to disagree. have a wonderful day 🙂
[22:39] <stan101> brand new machine
[22:40] <stan101> its almost like errors are willfully created to get the back door under the guise of "report errors"
[22:40] <stan101> johnny isnt stoopid
[22:40] <stan101> dont treat me as such
[22:42] <stan101> I just want to know what the skinny is so as i can make things right.
[22:43] <stan101> you know - back 6 months ago - i was talking ham radio - during that time - a silent partner spoke up confident in my abiities- and had zero internet presents.
[22:44] <stan101> ubuntu is slick - I appreciate that - but- my gut says different.
[22:45] <ham> well, then follow your gut and don't use it ?
[22:46] <stan101> haha they love ruining your resolution
[22:47] <stan101> looks like im right
[22:47] <ogra_> this is getting pretty offtopic for this channel ...
[22:47] <stan101> every frame has been screen shoted.
[22:47] <ogra_> !ot
[22:47] <stan101> shaddap stoopid.. we have it figured out now.. thanks
[22:48]  * ogra_ shakes head