[02:15] <zul> hey
[02:18] <_ion> Hi
[02:21] <_ion> Here's a piece of text about the Trevio sources.list episode: http://soijabanaani.net/tmp/the_trevino_story
[02:29] <Spads> ogra, everone: see your mail for mdz's clarification that there *is* an organized event tonight at 8
[02:29] <Spads> er, 7
[02:31] <Spads> er, wrong channel
[02:36] <Keybuk> and that you need to bring your "special item"
[02:42] <BenC> Keybuk: what wireless access point are you using?
[02:42] <lifeless> canonical2
[02:42] <BenC> sucks, I can't see that one
[02:42] <Spads> where is it?
[02:43] <lifeless> calistoga
[02:43] <Mithrandir> slightly ironic I can see a Norwegian ISP's wlan from here.
[02:43] <lifeless> ?!!
[02:44] <Mithrandir> it's an ad-hoc
[02:44] <BenC> I can see "linksys" and "Pete's Cafe"
[02:44] <BenC> both work, but they're not "official" :)
[02:44] <lifeless> come down
[02:44] <keescook> BenC: yeah, you must be near me; I see the same.  :)
[02:45] <BenC> I think I'll keep leaching Pete's bw from my room :)
[02:45] <BenC> should broadcast some torrents on the subnet for ubuntu cd's
[02:55] <Burgundavia> hey jono: why are you still in MTV?
[02:55] <jono> hey
[02:55] <jono> I am at the Canonical allhands summit in San Francisco
[02:57] <mjg59> Hey people
[02:58] <mjg59> I've uploaded everything needed for compiz integration love
[02:58] <mjg59> Once desktop-effects hits the archive, if people could test that, compiz, compiz-gnome and the new gnome-session, that would be great
[03:00] <Keybuk> mjg59: could you make a wiki page explaining what we need to install/remove and config?
[03:01] <mjg59> Keybuk: Just posted to -devel
[03:01] <mjg59> I can cut and paste it
[03:01] <Keybuk> perfect
[03:01] <Keybuk> I'll NEW desktop-effects once it's built
[03:01] <mjg59> It's NEWed already, isn't it?
[03:01] <Keybuk> (waiting on ia64 and sparc)
[03:01] <Keybuk> source has been, not the binaries
[03:02] <mjg59> Oh, yeah, binaries need doing separately
[03:02] <mjg59> Thanks
[03:02] <mjg59> Keybuk: Can you remove the compiz-plugins source package?
[03:02] <Keybuk> sparc and ia64 ... bollocks to it, I'll new it now
[03:03] <Keybuk> compiz-plugins | 0.5-0ubuntu5 | edgy/universe | source, amd64, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc
[03:03] <Keybuk> ?
[03:03] <mjg59> Yup
[03:03] <Keybuk> just the source or the binaries too?
[03:03] <mjg59> Binaries as well, I guess
[03:03] <mjg59> As long as that doesn't nuke the compiz-plugins binary that comes from compiz now
[03:04] <Keybuk> ah, this could be tricky
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> "Though Avahi is actually quite popular these days, we only had a single security sensitive bug. (And almost no other bugs.) The bug triggered an assert (i.e. it allowed a simple DoS attack) and could not be exploited in a way that code could be smuggled into the process."
[03:04] <mjg59> Heh
[03:04] <bluefoxicy>   -- http://avahi.org/wiki/SecurityConsiderations
[03:04] <Keybuk> mjg59: the compiz-plugins binaries are so much newer, that compiz might need another upload
[03:05] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: hrm?
[03:05] <mjg59> "so much newer"?
[03:05] <Keybuk> 0.5 vs 0.0.38
[03:05] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: yeh that should be updated
[03:05] <bluefoxicy> Back in the day, december 2005.. however, 2006 rolls around  :)  http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2006-2289  Oops.  I guess I'll prod the avahi devs to update their page.  :)
[03:05] <mjg59> Keybuk: 1:0.3.3
[03:05] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: that bug only just came out last week :)
[03:05] <mjg59> Keybuk: 0.0.38 is ancient
[03:05] <Lathiat> err
[03:05] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:05] <Lathiat> that one
[03:06] <bluefoxicy> Lathiat: 5/10/2006 is last week?
[03:06] <Keybuk> hmm, the 1: is missing from madison
[03:06] <Keybuk> weird
[03:06] <Lathiat> bluefoxicy: sorry no we had one come out just this week too
[03:06] <Keybuk> Will remove the following packages from feisty:
[03:06] <Keybuk> compiz-plugins | 0.5-0ubuntu5 | source, ia64, sparc
[03:06] <Keybuk> --
[03:06] <mjg59> Keybuk: Looks good
[03:06] <Keybuk> I guess madison is confused about the world
[03:06] <mjg59> Oh, erm.
[03:06] <mjg59> Yeah, that looks less than good.
[03:06] <bluefoxicy> Lathiat:  hey i didn't see that one D:
[03:07] <mjg59> I'm just about to do another compiz upload anyway, but it'd be good if it didn't become uninstallable in the intervening time period :)
[03:07] <Keybuk> ah
[03:07] <Keybuk> I was looking at edgy
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> Lathiat:  I'm looking for a remotely exploitable in libavahi, if you see one send it my way ;)
[03:10] <Keybuk> mjg59: d-e new'd
[03:10] <mjg59> Keybuk: Thanks
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: oh?
[03:26] <Keybuk> Hobbsee: need to sync from contrib and non-free too
[03:26] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:29] <minghua> d'oh
[03:31] <mjg59> Right. That upload ought to fix the fact that the window preferences applet didn't work.
[03:32] <Keybuk> heh
[03:32] <Keybuk> oops
[03:36] <Keybuk> ETRYHARDER
[03:42] <mjg59> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompizOnFeisty
[03:42] <_ion> Cool.
[03:43] <_ion> I wish the 9000 series drivers worked on my system. :-)
[03:43] <_ion> Both releases so far have (known) bugs that prevent me from using them.
[04:21] <robertj_> mjg59: are there any good tidings coming out of ATI?
[04:22] <robertj_> mjg59: perhaps now that NVidia has a supporting driver out there will be a certain amount of keeping up with the Joneses?
[04:28] <mjg59> robertj_: No idea, I'm afraid
[04:54] <thiagocmartinsc> opa
[04:55] <thiagocmartinsc> about install server on file /preseed/ubuntu-server.seed
[04:56] <thiagocmartinsc> I put extra packages on pool/extras, how to tell d-i to install my package?
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> d-i     pkgsel/install-pattern          string ~t^ubuntu-standard$|~n^my-package-asterisk$
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> ?
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> or: d-i      pkgsel/asterisk     string
[04:57] <thiagocmartinsc> ?
[10:09] <_ion> Hm, Javur has been freed.
[10:11] <_ion> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/11/12/OSS-Java
[01:33] <Gloubiboulga> infinity: could you run the builds for exo and libxfcegui4 on powerpc? it seems that they failed because of a space problem
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> Java is now GPL
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> as of like, an hour ago
[01:37] <bluefoxicy> So sayith slashdot.  Take with salt.
[01:37] <jdub> there's no salt
[01:37] <gnomefreak> fully GPL?
[01:38] <jdub> GPLv2 with classpath exception (for most components)
[01:39] <gnomefreak> still cant leave multiverse than?
[01:39] <mjg59> ?
[01:39] <mjg59> Can be in main
[01:40] <gnomefreak> even with classpath exceptions? (dependsing what they are)
[01:40] <jdub> gnomefreak: go read what they are before assuming they're bad
[01:40] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2006/duke-in-ur-codes.jpg
[01:40] <mjg59> gnomefreak: "exceptions" grant you extra permissions
[01:40] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:41] <mjg59> But nothing can happen yet - they've announced a commitment to releasing it, but the code isn't entirely availble yet
[01:46] <Simira> mjg59: aren't you in US?
[01:47] <Simira> mjg59: or, you were, maybe?
[01:47] <Simira> hm...
[01:48] <robertj_> bluefoxicy: official announcement coming at 9:30 PST supposedly
[01:49] <robertj_> I think we are likely to see a single product today, possible J2ME, with all the rest forthcoming by early next year, we will see
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> robertj:  To be honest I don't know what to think.
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> I would prefer native-compiled like with gcj/classpath, far more to having any more JIT cruft
[02:01] <Treenaks> as long as it's in time for feisty ;)
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> I don't want the idea of actually using the JVM to catch on :/
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> That being said, I hate GNU and their entire philosophy, and that's where GNU classpath comes from
[02:02] <bluefoxicy> (their philosophy boils down to, "Well we should all work together for the common good; and those that don't want to, well, we should force them to!")
[02:04] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  we don't need the JVM for feisty do we?  I certainly don't have anything that doesn't work on classpath; I guess you could add it to the Web browser but I don't want a Java plug-in by default (last I tried, Firefox crashed something like 80% of the time I hit a site with Java; screw that)
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> "In related news, apparently Project Looking Glass [sun.com] , the 3d desktop, is likely to be included in the Ubuntu Feisty [java.net]  release."
[02:06] <bluefoxicy> the hell is this
[02:07] <Treenaks> bluefoxicy: we might not _need_ it, it would still be nice :)
[02:07] <bluefoxicy> Treenaks:  perhaps, just not by default
[02:08] <bluefoxicy> Besides, I am already gearing up to try to swing an article past Corbet about the very real security concerns of using Mono.  I _really_ don't want to go through this again.
[02:15] <mjg59> Simira: Nope
[02:51] <zul> hi
[02:52] <Kryczek> hi :)
[02:52] <Kryczek> I'm looking for somebody involved in the making of the Ubuntu SecurityLiveCD
[02:52] <Kryczek> or anyone who knows about the Ubuntu livecd creation process
[02:53] <Kryczek> (cause I'd like to make my own livecd, and all I can find are HOWTOs telling me to do a fresh install of Linux on another disk partition and then a script creates an ISO image out of it)
[02:59] <_MMA_> Kryczek: Give Reconstructor a look.
[02:59] <_MMA_> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/
[03:00] <Kryczek> just found the link on google then launchpad ;)
[03:01] <Kryczek> hmm... dunno if it will allow me to do the extensive modifications I want to do on the livecd
[03:02] <Kryczek> but that's the closest thing to what I was looking for
[03:02] <Kryczek> so thanks a lot _MMA_ :)
[03:02] <_MMA_> No problem.
[03:02] <_MMA_> Kryczek: What are you looking to do?
[03:04] <_MMA_> Theres also a terminal in Reconstructor where you can chroot and do advanced things.
[03:04] <zul>  /join #ubuntu-ke
[03:04] <zul> oops..
[03:05] <Kryczek> make a custom ISO9660 fs myself (with steganography), modify the bootloader so that it doesnt display any message and boots on the harddrive unless you enter a correct decryption key for the LiveCD, probably patch the kernel, etc :)
[03:05] <Kryczek> _MMA_: awesome, I think i'll need that
[03:21] <mjg59> Has anyone (other than me) tested the compiz stuff yet?
[03:22] <bhale> mjg59: something very recent?
[03:22] <bhale> i tested it in edgy
[03:22] <mjg59> bhale: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompizOnFeisty
[03:24] <bhale> cool, i cant try it at work (nvidia-legacy), though
[03:24] <mjg59> Ah, ok
[03:42] <jdub> mjg59: fisty packages usable on edgy?
[03:42] <Treenaks> jdub: "fisty"?
[03:42] <jdub> Treenaks: the next release of ubuntu ;-)
[03:42] <jdub> clearly
[03:42] <Treenaks> jdub: clearly
[03:43] <jsgotangco> i hope thats not a fetish slip?
[03:43] <jdub> mjg59: uh, wow, that's *actual compiz*
[03:45] <mjg59> jdub: Yes
[03:45] <mjg59> Should be the entire FC6 experience, except better because compiz uses Metacity themes now
[03:46] <Treenaks> and gconf instead of it's own crackful reinvention of it?
[03:46] <mjg59> compiz has always used gconf
[03:47] <jdub> Treenaks: you're thinking of cheap knockoffs :)
[03:48] <Treenaks> jdub: well.. I'm thinking of what I used, and was called 'compiz', a few months before edgy released :)
[03:48] <jdub> yeah
[03:48] <jdub> that was pre-beryl molested compiz
[03:49] <Treenaks> jdub: I think it was the compiz that eventually became beryl, actually
[03:49] <mjg59> Everything called "compiz" in Ubuntu has always shipped with gconf support
[03:49] <jdub> yes, molested compiz, pre-beryl :)
[03:49] <mjg59> This time I've merely fixed it so there are sensible defaults in the schemas :)
[03:50] <jdub> mjg59: rh have done great work on integration and theming stuff
[03:52] <mjg59> jdub: Yup, though it's a bitch to find the source to their desktop-effects applet
[03:52] <mjg59> I finally found it in the compiz SRPM
[03:52] <azeem> I thought they had an additional checkbox in their joint compiz/metacity preferenced?
[03:52] <azeem> preferences, even
[03:52] <azeem> "enable desktop effects"
[03:53] <mjg59> No
[03:53] <mjg59> There isn't a joint compiz/metacity preferences
[03:53] <mjg59> compiz ships its own plugin for window-manager-properties
[03:54] <azeem> ah, ok
[03:54] <mjg59> Then you also get a "desktop effects" applet, which has the enable button
[03:54] <azeem> is there a screenshot of that applet somewhere?
[03:55] <jdub> http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/
[03:55] <mjg59> http://lunapark6.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/FC06-DE-01-GUI-367-GUI.jpg
[03:56] <azeem> mjg59: thanks
[03:56] <azeem> cute
[03:57] <azeem> I still don't understand why this has to be an applet on its own, but probably an implementation detail?
[03:58] <azeem> jdub: they BSD'd their mascot today as well
[03:58] <jdub> azeem: interesting
[03:58] <azeem> https://duke.dev.java.net/
[03:58] <mjg59> azeem: window-manager-properties takes plugins on a per-wm basis
[03:59] <mjg59> azeem: So it would have to be implemented in each of them
[03:59] <sladen> James Gosling: "The time to open source Java is now [because we're already five years too late] "
[04:00] <mjg59> I bet he's pissed
[04:00] <mjg59> http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/bling.png
[04:00] <jsgotangco> hey look its sabdfl in a red tie
[04:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:01] <mjg59> Notice shadows plus hint of translucency
[04:02] <azeem> mjg59: what's that recycle-icon applet?
[04:02] <mjg59> azeem: Reboot required notification
[04:02] <mjg59> I've upgraded the kernel
[04:03] <azeem> ah, right
[04:03] <azeem> I thought it was some leet synchronisation stuff or so
[04:03] <jdub> bling ping
[04:03] <Kryczek> lol
[04:04] <mjg59> So if people would actually, y'know, TEST THE DAMNED PACKAGES or something, I could write up a main inclusion report
[04:04] <jdub> mjg59: i'll suck 'em down now
[04:04] <jdub> mjg59: current fisty?
[04:04] <mjg59> Yup
[04:06] <jdub> The following NEW packages will be installed: compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins desktop-effects
[04:06] <jdub> The following packages will be upgraded: libc6 libc6-dev libc6-i686 libdbus-1-3 libdbus-1-dev
[04:06] <mjg59> Looks good
[04:06] <jdub>
[04:06] <jdub> gar, damnit ;-)
[04:06] <mjg59> Make sure you have current gnome-session, too
[04:06] <jdub> fisty libc is ok?
[04:07] <mjg59> Seems to be
[04:07] <jdub> should i just ditch edgy already?
[04:07] <sladen> mjg59: if you turn up the bling any further it's going to reach pukability status
[04:09] <jdub> beryl is where patches go when they're not good enough for compiz
[04:09] <jdub> thus the fork
[04:10] <sladen> ah so beryl actually has /more/ bling.  But of a lower quality?
[04:10] <jdub> more crazy shit, less attention to detail, less integration
[04:10] <jdub> also, there are some crazy smart people working on compiz, and i tend to feel their POV carries some weight
[04:15] <azeem> also, beryl ditched gconf in favour of something "simpler"
[04:19] <jdub> mjg59: gtk-window-decorator is segfaulting
[04:23] <jdub> mjg59: hrm, might try installing metacity
[04:23] <Spads> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/2006/duke-in-ur-codes.jpg
[04:23] <Spads> jdub: you fiend
[04:24] <jdub> Spads: here for you!
[04:29] <Spads> http://www.forgetfoo.com/images/blog/blogmonks.gif <-- jdub
[04:51] <mjg59> jdub: Ah, yes - it might well need the current libmetacity...
[04:52] <jdub> mjg59: i added bits to your page
[04:52] <mjg59> jdub: Got it working?
[04:52] <jdub> yeah
[04:53] <jdub> bit rocky, but that's compiz for the moment ;)
[04:53] <jdub> mjg59: i'm on i900
[04:53] <mjg59> Works reasonably here on 855
[05:39] <bddebian> Howdy
[05:47] <pygi> hey bddebian
[05:47] <bddebian> Heya pygi
[06:37] <gnomefreak> whats the chances of getting a theme with a sticky button?
[07:05] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[09:19] <shwag> where do I go to discuss a bug on ubuntu.com ?
[09:19] <Burgwork> shwag: on  the website itself?
[09:19] <shwag> yah
[09:19] <Burgwork> which page?
[09:20] <shwag> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn   need to be RSS.
[09:20] <Burgwork> right
[09:20] <Burgwork> file a bug against the ubuntu-website product
[09:20] <shwag> okay
[09:20] <shwag> thanks
[09:20] <Burgwork> mark is a wishlist
[09:20] <shwag> yah
[09:20] <mjg59> Burgwork: Mark is a wishlist?
[09:21] <Simira> tihi
[09:21] <Burgwork> as a, rather
[09:27] <shwag> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website/+bug/71685
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71685 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu Security Notice page needs RSS feed." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[09:51] <pitti> slomo: can you please check in your hal changes into the bzr tree?
[09:56] <infinity> Gloubiboulga: Done, thanks.
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> what the hell
[10:30] <Slant_Laptop> Where should I post to have a package diff sponsored?
[10:31] <LaserJock> Slant_Laptop: is the package in Main or Universe?
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> warning:  Linkspam coming up
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/20955 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17587 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17955 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/19615 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14785 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/18101 http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16320
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> in the past TWO HOURS
[10:32] <Slant_Laptop> LaserJock: Universe.
[10:33] <LaserJock> Slant_Laptop: if there is a bug attache the diff to the bug report and subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors Launchpad team
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> what, one of those is old as crap, why did it just show up in my mailbox
[10:34] <pygi> bluefoxicy, 6.10 not vulnarble?
[10:35] <Slant_Laptop> LaserJock: Thanks.
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  I don't know.  I just saw a jillion kernel vulns in my inbox and was like "huh?"
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> knee-jerk reaction, it's not like I read them all
[10:36] <pygi> vulnerable*
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  they all look like updates to old issues, what the heck did they update?
[10:39] <pygi> bluefoxicy, hm? :P
[10:40] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14785 for example, published Sep 09 2005 12:00AM and updated Nov 13 2006 08:16PM
[10:40] <pygi> right, weird
[10:40] <pygi> perhaps added some new distros affected?
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> pygi:  Maybe i should just watch the NVD
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> but that takes longer 8)
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> I really wish securityfocus had a vuln-only feed though
[10:45] <bluefoxicy> their vuln feed is a direct feed of the bugtraq mailing list
[10:52] <bluefoxicy> it would be awesome if I could get a rockbox module to do text to speech
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> and a module to parse lists of CVEs.....
[10:53] <bluefoxicy> >:)
[10:57] <heno> bluefoxicy: to have track titles read out?
[10:59] <heno> bluefoxicy: this is fairly lightweight: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/
[10:59] <heno> but I'm not sure it will run on an iPod :)
[10:59] <bluefoxicy> heno:  I was more thinking to have daily CVE lists sorted by vendor, product, vulnerability type, severity, etc; and then played back on my Ipod
[11:00] <heno> bluefoxicy: would you not just do the TTS on the PC and download the wav's (mp3s) to the iPod?
[11:00] <bluefoxicy> heno:  why?  That would be a lot more data
[11:01] <heno> true, just not sure if the iPod has enough brain power or memory for TTS
[11:01] <heno> bluefoxicy: it would be very cool though, because it would help blind people use ipods
[11:01] <heno> with free software on it :)
[11:02] <heno> killer app!
[11:02] <bluefoxicy>        -s <integer>
[11:02] <bluefoxicy>               peed in words per minute, default is 160
[11:02] <bluefoxicy> someone peed in my source code :(
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> haha
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> it sounds like a scott woman talking like a scott man
[11:06] <heno> :)
[11:06] <bluefoxicy> of course i have it cursing a lot
[11:07] <heno> naturally
[11:07] <sladen> aye,killybenow,for ye canna tell what th' fucking seeing
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  more like $ echo "Fucking Vuln in Linux kernel <IP_ADDRESS> because RedHat put fucking broken code in."  | espeak --stdin -v en/en-n -s 120 -p 60
[11:08] <bluefoxicy> I am seriously considering grepping the kernel and piping the output to this
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> oh god
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> filters
[11:09] <bluefoxicy> FILTERS
[11:10] <bluefoxicy> heno:  you know I'm not going to get any work done tonight, right?
[11:12] <TheMuso> Rockbox with espeak would be a good idea IMO.
[11:15] <heno> TheMuso: and if it can be made to run on the iPod it will surely work on the OLPC too
[11:15] <heno> but it probably needs direct app integration in both cases
[11:15] <bluefoxicy> that reminds me
[11:15] <sladen> espeak seems to have been rather a good discovery
[11:15] <bluefoxicy> I need to get readahead working on the olpc
[11:16] <heno> ie. no AT framework or screen reader
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> I have been like.. playing final fantasy
[11:16] <bluefoxicy> for a month
[11:16] <sladen> good thing about the ipod way of working is that you can scroll the menus without actually clicking on anything
[11:16] <sladen> so you can scroll to a point, listen for the menu item, select, scroll some more, listen, click
[11:17] <sladen> how the espeak and main audio would work together I don't know
[11:17] <TheMuso> heno: Rockbox does work on the newer ipods
[11:17] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  and you can prefix the sound with tones
[11:17] <bluefoxicy> short tones
[11:17] <TheMuso> afaik
[11:17] <bluefoxicy> eventually you'd learn to recognize those tones and not wait for the speech :P
[11:18] <heno> sladen: we'd need to port pulseaudio to rockbox too :)
[11:19] <sladen> bluefoxicy: dude, OLPC is flash---readahead really isn't going to help much in the final product
[11:19] <heno> TheMuso: rockbox yes, but rockbox+espeak?
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  probably.
[11:19] <heno> not proven yet at least
[11:19] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  the last time we had this conversation I walked jg around in circles about whether flash is faster than ram or not
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> rockbox doesn't have linux
[11:20] <bluefoxicy> I should update my version
[11:23] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  the final product is going to have really, really fast flash, like 26M/s; but RAM is still faster.  I'm going to alter it to do readahead in the background and in the order the bootprocess follows rather than sequentially on disk.  At the very least it'll help with the dev boards' 3M/s chip
[12:02] <imbrandon> moins all
[12:02] <Keybuk> heyhey
[12:02] <imbrandon> heya Keybuk
[12:02] <Keybuk> all settled back home now?
[12:04] <imbrandon> yup yup
[12:04] <imbrandon> even been working on a few merges
[12:04] <imbrandon> finaly back on my regular sleep schedule now :)
[12:05] <Keybuk> heh
[12:05] <imbrandon> hows SF ? weather chan said it was gonna be coler there this week.
[12:05] <Keybuk> we're still at the grindstone
[12:05] <imbrandon> yea
[12:05] <imbrandon> s/coler/colder
[12:05] <Keybuk> yeah, seems to be raining today
[12:05] <Burgwork> Keybuk: what much are you discussing this week?
[12:06] <Keybuk> Burgwork: it's a company all hands event, not a distro event
[12:06] <Burgwork> ah
[12:06] <Keybuk> Burgwork: so the only thing distro-related will be the canonical team structure, etc.
[12:06] <Keybuk> anything related to the real distro was discussed last week
[12:08] <imbrandon> Keybuk, is the -changes list still moded for a reason ?
[12:08] <imbrandon> or just hasent been turned off yet
[12:08] <Keybuk> moded?
[12:09] <crimsun> (moderated, I presume?)
[12:09] <imbrandon> yes
[12:09] <Keybuk> it's always been
[12:09] <Keybuk> you can't post to the changes list
[12:09] <Keybuk> only Soyuz can
[12:09] <imbrandon> no , my uploaded were accepted yesterday and i got the accepted mail, but none on the -changes
[12:09] <crimsun> imbrandon: are you referring to your uploads not being announced on feisty-changes?
[12:09] <imbrandon> yes
[12:09] <crimsun> right, I'm experiencing that, too
[12:10] <Keybuk> oh, that's interesting


[00:00] <ahoneybun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2016-August/010657.html
[00:21] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: "Applications from involved non- developers are encouraged." you messed up, no space between "non-" and "developers" :P
[00:21]  * tsimonq2 runs
[00:21]  * clivejo trips tsimonq2
 I did not
 yofel did
[00:21] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: nuh uhh, you sent the email :P
[00:22]  * tsimonq2 pushes clivejo
[00:22]  * clivejo laughs
[00:22] <clivejo> you can try!
 I copied it from him though
[00:23] <tsimonq2> but Aaron, everybody knows that you have to proofread emails before you send them :P
[00:37] <ahoneybun> looks fine to me tsimonq2(pain in my,.)
[00:38] <tsimonq2> looks fine? :/ /o\ o\
[00:39] <ahoneybun> it does
[00:40] <tsimonq2> well I guess we'll both enjoy my vacation :P
[00:40] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:47]  * clivejo nods
[00:53] <tsimonq2> clivejo too, enjoy my vacation :P
[00:56] <clivejo> I will :P
[01:29] <valorie> I will miss you, tsimonq2!
[01:29] <valorie> but enjoy yourself
[01:29] <tsimonq2> aww thanks valorie :D
[01:29] <tsimonq2> I will :)
[01:29] <valorie> don't let the trolls get ya down
[01:30] <valorie> lol
[01:30]  * tsimonq2 kicks clivejo
[01:30] <tsimonq2> :P
[01:30] <clivejo> dont fall in the river :P
[01:31] <tsimonq2> that would be really funny
[01:31] <tsimonq2> I'll just shout, "GOSH DARNIT CLIVE!" and family will look at me like "wth?" XD
[01:31] <valorie> lol
[01:32] <clivejo> Im sure they are used to you by now
[01:32] <tsimonq2> well they aren't used to YOU :P
[01:32] <clivejo> wouldnt batter an eyelid
[01:33]  * tsimonq2 throws http://lubuntu.me/cd-size-poll/ into the air
[02:09] <clivejo> BTW I uploaded digikam 5.1.0 to staging-misc if anyone wants to test it
[02:19] <valorie> i will in a bit
[06:34] <valorie> list is being bombed now due to me running listadmin.....
[06:34] <valorie> lovely merge requests
[06:35] <tsimonq2> alright I think I'm off for the night
[06:35] <tsimonq2> and I'll be gone bright and early tomorrow
[06:35] <tsimonq2> so o/ until Sunday y'all
[06:35] <valorie> have a wonderful time, tsimonq2
[06:35] <tsimonq2> (away message has details if you need to contact me)
[06:35] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie
[06:46] <acheronuk> hmmm. yes. many duplicate emails from the list
[06:48] <acheronuk> clivejo: ah, so digikam is what you were up to. sorry I didn't get back to you.
[07:03] <valorie> blah, I was going to fix my listadmin.ini first, but: fetching data for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... Died at /usr/bin/listadmin line 1314, <FIN> line 98.
[07:03] <valorie> rest of the lists run fine
[07:03] <valorie> gonna ask my RW guru
[09:35] <soee> hiho
[11:15] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: http://imgur.com/a/OEK7u
[11:16] <ahoneybun> something up with the xml feed
[11:16] <ahoneybun> don't know if it is my fault or not yet
[11:17] <ahoneybun> ohh
[11:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:47] <santa_> good morning everyone
 o/ Morning friends
[11:47] <clivejo> morning santa_
 Just a quick note
 I am going aaway on Holiday later today, I'll be back in about a 2 weeks, just in case you miss me
[11:49] <santa_> enjoy the vacation
[11:53] <clivejo> grrrr
[11:53] <clivejo> digikam built against an older version of marble lib
[12:04] <acheronuk> afternoon :)
[12:04] <clivejo> hi rik
[12:05] <clivejo> rik rik, rik rik rik rik
[12:05] <acheronuk> Noooo. That's not me
[12:05] <clivejo> grrrr ovidiu and his catchy song
[12:06]  * acheronuk clicks on http://tsimonq2.net/kubuntusoundboard/
[12:06] <clivejo> yofel: regarding digikam needing latest marble lib, how should I do that?  enable staging-apps in the staging-misc PPA?
[12:07] <clivejo> copy the package from staging-apps => staging-misc?
[12:07] <clivejo> or throw the whole lot out the nearest window in a fit of rage and swearing?
[12:10] <acheronuk> from #ubuntu-release [10:33] <infinity> Come hell or highwater, this mess will migrate today, or I'm stabbing someone. :)
[12:11] <clivejo> keep well clear
[12:11] <clivejo> I predict with a high probability that he will stab someone
[12:11] <clivejo> hi slhk
[12:11] <clivejo> o/
[12:12] <slhk> hi clivejo
[12:12] <clivejo> up to anything exciting?
[12:12]  * clivejo noticed a couple of commits on Muon :)
[12:13] <soee> anyone using setup liek laptop + connected screen ?
[12:14] <clivejo> soee: yes
[12:14] <soee> clivejo: mind testing one bug ?
[12:14] <clivejo> Im on 5.7.2
[12:14] <clivejo> YY
[12:16] <slhk> clivejo: not really exciting, but there are some new bugs reported in Muon and I'm looking into them... among other things. I'd like to know from you when it would be a good time for a new release
[12:16] <clivejo> slhk: Im not sure
[12:16] <clivejo> it seems to be building ok on KCI
[12:16] <clivejo> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_muon/
[12:17] <acheronuk> Earlier on today I added the kubuntu-ci/unstable ppa to a YY VM to test, and it didn't completely break
[12:17] <clivejo> Ill grab the debs and install it locally
[12:18] <clivejo> slhk: what is the lastest version number of muon?
[12:19] <clivejo> !info muon
[12:19] <soee> clivejo: ok, hmm anyway i you find some free 5 min to test https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=367490
[12:20] <clivejo> eakk thats weird
[12:21] <clivejo> Its blanked my laptop screen and moved /most/ of my stuff to the external monitor
[12:22] <clivejo> bar the task bar thingie
[12:23] <soee> but external one works ?
[12:24] <slhk> clivejo: Muon 5.6.0, not that there is much new, but some fixes and more columns in the list of packages ;)
[12:25] <clivejo> soee: yes
[12:25] <clivejo> slhk: need to bump the version in KCI
[12:45] <clivejo> slhk: what version would the next release be?
[12:46] <clivejo> are you keeping in step with plasma releases ie 5.7?
[12:50] <slhk> clivejo: my idea was indeed to follow plasma, so 5.7 currently
[12:51] <clivejo> do you think you will ever release with the main tarballs?
[12:53] <slhk> I don't think so, although I could try to follow the same timeline.
[12:58]  * yofel goes whistling the FFE song for apps and digikam..
[13:00] <yofel> clivejo: re digikam: good question :/
[13:00] <yofel> just put it into apps I guess
[13:01] <clivejo> upload to apps?
[13:01]  * clivejo pokes yofel to put in a KCC nomination
[13:02] <yofel> I'll do that later
[13:29] <soee> testing new wallpaper http://i.imgur.com/klGXK9G.jpg
[13:29] <acheronuk> soee: too bright
[13:30] <yofel> I can't help but think of some mosaic style road with sidewalks when I see that...
[13:30] <soee> :D
[13:30] <yofel> not that it looks bad though
[13:30] <soee> i think of it as a summer wallpaper
[13:31] <acheronuk> yep. needs sun-glasses
[14:01] <soee> how cool :D
[14:02] <soee> i reported small issue and after 1 min it was fixed -.-
[14:03] <blaze> soee: https://youtu.be/S5bH2YC9VdM
[14:03] <soee> :D
[14:04] <soee> blaze: you did that ?
[14:04] <blaze> nope
[14:05] <soee> the configuration UI is terrible :)
[14:05] <soee> each section shoudl be fullwidth
[14:49] <mhall119> has anyone heard from rick timmis lately?
[14:50] <soee> not me, only some posts on G+
[14:50] <soee> you can try to catch him on telegram
[14:51] <mhall119> I don't think I have him on telegram
[14:51] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: ^
[14:51] <mhall119> yofel: he's not in the channel currenly
[14:52] <yofel> no, but the telegram bridge *should* ping him
[14:52] <mhall119> ah, ok, didn't know that
[14:52] <yofel> but it's a bit unreliable, so maybe best send him a mail
[14:52] <mhall119> if somebody could let him know that I need to talk to him about akademy, I'd appreciate it
[14:53] <soee> mhall119: i messsged him on telegram
[14:54] <acheronuk>  I am going aaway on Holiday later today, I'll be back in about a 2 weeks, just in case you miss me
 mhall119 Hi there I am here
[14:54] <soee>  :)
[14:54] <mhall119> Sick_Rimmit: can you ping me on Telegram? I'm @mhall119
[14:55] <acheronuk> have a nice holiday Rick, BTW :)
[16:56] <soee> :OOO
[16:56] <soee> https://youtu.be/QvrYvO06D6E?t=3m10s
[17:20] <acheronuk> https://dot.kde.org/2016/08/18/canonical-becomes-patron-kde-ev
[17:23] <acheronuk> "Canonical will be working with the KDE community to keep making the latest KDE technology available to Ubuntu and Kubuntu users, and expanding that into making Snap packages of KDE frameworks and applications that are easily installable by users of any Linux desktop. "
[17:24] <mamarley> So yet a third packaging operation of KDE for Ubuntu…
[17:26] <acheronuk> so will kubuntu get back some better support via that I wonder, or just get squeezed into yet a smaller space?
[17:26] <mamarley> If I gambled, I would bet on the latter.
[17:27] <acheronuk> ^^ +1
[17:28] <mamarley> It looks like they want to replace the .deb package with Snappy.  What is the deal with all these silly containerization schemes?
[17:28]  * mamarley mutters something regarding his lawn and trespassing.
[18:05] <blaze> i'm pretty sure they'll drop this snappy shi(f)t very soon
[18:07] <yofel> I guess that depends on whether they took the feedback they got during the snappy sprint seriously or not
[18:11] <clivejo> I dont understand why Canonical always wants to redesign the wheel
[18:11] <clivejo> then pull the plug on it :(
[18:13] <clivejo> its like me with new toys
[18:14] <clivejo> its all I talk and do for a few weeks then I get bored and more on to something new
[18:14]  * soee knock, knock...
[18:14] <soee> KDE Applications 16.08 Released
[18:15]  * mamarley slaps soee around a bit with a large trout.
[18:15] <mhall119> mamarley: not all debs will become snaps, only applications
[18:16] <mhall119> yofel: we are taking it very seriously, and hope to have some examples using the new content-sharing interface for you next week
[18:17] <BluesKaj-pi> don tell me kubuntu ia dopting the snap ¨thing¨
[18:18] <mhall119> BluesKaj-pi: every Ubuntu flavor gets it automatically, we're working to be able to provide snap packages of KDE applications sooner and safer
[18:18] <BluesKaj-pi> is adopting
[18:21] <mhall119> so, as an example, you can get Krita 3.0 as a snap in Kubuntu 16.04 today,  but the archives only have 2.9.7
[18:22] <blaze> getting native look'n'feel for these snappy apps is really problematic
[18:22] <BluesKaj-pi> is there a snap repos and package manager
[18:22] <BluesKaj-pi> mhall119,?
[18:22] <mhall119> BluesKaj-pi: yes, `snap` is the command-line tool
[18:22] <blaze> but the worst thing is that most of them are not working at all
[18:23] <mhall119> currently it only supports one store, Canonicals, but there's work being done to allow adding others
[18:23] <BluesKaj-pi> IC., ok , will wait
[18:24] <mhall119> blaze: the content-sharing interface will help with a lot of the KDE app snaps, there's also work on a dbus interface that many of them need, and we will keep adding things until they do all work
[18:25] <mhall119> in the end you'll be able to stick to an LTS base and still get the new versions of apps as soon as they are released, and that's a pretty nice goal :)
[18:27] <blaze> i'm more like alpha-beta guy
[18:28] <mhall119> well, the snap store also has the concept of "channels" so you can signup to get beta-releases of apps, or even nightly "edge" releases
[18:29] <blaze> i guess the snaps won't help me to get the newest kernel and mesa
[18:30] <mhall119> not on a traditional desktop setup, no
[18:30] <mhall119> it can on IoT devices and servers though
[18:34] <acheronuk> Is kubuntu a bystander in this and we/thay just watch kde and canonical do this? Or is it intended we/they have some direct day to day involvement in delivering this?
[19:12]  * clivejo prepares
[19:13] <acheronuk> prepares what? Pizza? if so, share...
[19:13] <clivejo> myself
[19:13]  * clivejo pins back his ears and opens his eyes wide
[19:14]  * ahoneybun likes snaps
[19:14] <ahoneybun> I have them on my desktop and lapto
[19:14] <ahoneybun> *laptop
[19:14] <ahoneybun> using the telegram snap a lot
[19:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: does this require a drumroll?
[19:14] <ahoneybun> can't wait so that can share content, atm can't handle files and links right
[19:15] <clivejo> personally Id rather have better archive access so we dont have to beg to get software in
[19:15] <ahoneybun> anyone can upload a snap clivejo
[19:15] <clivejo> hummm
[19:17] <acheronuk> LP going slow again. 20-30 min wait to build
[19:27] <mhall119> acheronuk: Kubuntu members have been directly involved already
[19:27] <mhall119> in fact, most of the work so far has been done by them
[19:40] <blaze> it was some obscure top secret kubuntu members
[19:42] <acheronuk> don't recall any discussion/mention on here
[19:42]  * mamarley neither.
[19:43] <ahoneybun> top secret?
[19:55] <mhall119> acheronuk: blaze: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Airclogs.ubuntu.com+kubuntu-devel+snappy
[20:00] <acheronuk> some random discussions on snaps, but not any mention of anyone making a concerted effort on this that I see or recall
[20:02] <acheronuk> not a big deal. just slightly surprising had not heard of anyone working on it to that degree
[20:16] <mhall119> there were discussions in other places, some folks were in-person at a sprint in Heidelberg last month, and I've spoken to sgclark about it in multiple places too
[20:16]  * mhall119 makes a personal note to do that more in this chanel
[20:16] <sgclark> who what where ?
[20:17] <sgclark> oh yes we are working on snaps at upstream KDE level
[20:19] <sgclark> While I may seem to be a obscure top secret kubuntu member at this point due to some major life things, I spent years as an active member.
[20:20]  * sgclark goes back to work
[20:20] <Mamarok> sgclark: you certainly are neither obscure not secret :-)
[20:20] <sgclark> ty
[20:22] <acheronuk> definitely not :D
[20:23] <acheronuk> Thanks sgclark & mhall119 for clearing that up.
[20:24] <sgclark> np
[20:24]  * mhall119 wants to spread conspiracy theories about top secret Kubuntu bases in the middle of the Arizona desert
[20:25] <Mamarok> whut, secret base we have there? and why in the desert?
[20:26] <mhall119> because Ubuntu GNOME already claimed the secret volcano base
[20:28] <acheronuk> a facility somewhere under a few 100 feet of a polar icecap would be my bet for the location
[20:29] <Mamarok> I am all for the Mars moon
[20:34]  * clivejo couldnt handle desert heat
[20:34] <Mamarok> that's why Phoebos is a good choice, temperature on the sunny side is -4°C
[20:35] <clivejo> sounds lovely for an early morning stroll
[20:36] <clivejo> sgclark: who at KDE are working on snaps?
[20:36] <sgclark> clivejo: myself and sitter
[20:36] <clivejo> I thought it was just a few common apps to showcase it
[20:36] <sgclark> nope
[20:36] <clivejo> the entire stack?
[20:36] <sgclark> we are working on most applications
[20:36] <sgclark> doesn't make sense to do plasma
[20:37] <clivejo> what about apps that share stuff?
[20:37] <sgclark> but applications and we will be making a runtime of kf5 when that is available
[20:37] <sgclark> what do you mean?
[20:37] <clivejo> like digikam needs marble and kipi components
[20:38] <sgclark> they get built in the snap together
[20:38] <sgclark> it would be considered "parts"
[20:40] <sgclark> debs "split" everything out, whereas snaps are the opposite and keeps everything together
[20:40] <sgclark> so you have to change the way of thinking of packages :)
 Snaps are cool
[20:45] <blaze> windows way
[20:46] <blaze> there were already some distros with the same approach
 Windows way?
 sgclark so we can have Apps 16.08 on a Ubuntu 16.04?
 Well Kubuntu
[20:48] <acheronuk> or ubuntu if you liked
[20:48] <sgclark> yeah that is the idea
[20:49] <sgclark> there are still a few things that need to get resolved. Which we are working on.
[20:49] <sgclark> we being both the snappy team and KDE
[20:50] <acheronuk> so cherry pick your favourite kde apps, and install those with snaps, and not have to install half or more of kde in .deb form to make them work.
[20:50] <sgclark> correct
[20:51] <acheronuk> makes sense if you like/want some kde apps, but are not a dedicated kde desktop user.
[20:51] <sgclark> that is the biggest use case indeed
[20:51] <acheronuk> and if people start being able to use kde apps easily, then that introduces them to the rest, potentially
 Or having the newest apps without a upgrade
[20:52] <sgclark> that too ^^
 ie  new Ubuntu release
 We would still need a machine with latest
 To build them as they pull the packages from repos atm
 Like Ubuntu yakkey
 Yakketu
[20:53] <acheronuk> yes, with the apps it's usually just a few with new features you hanker for.
 But you need a new Qt
[20:54] <blaze> overkill is such overkill
 5.6.1 for ex
[20:55] <acheronuk> I do wonder what the size of these snaps will be?
[20:59]  * acheronuk pokes launchpad
[20:59] <soee> :)
[21:02] <soee> dont touch http://goo.gl/cHkpzG when it is resting  ...
[21:02] <soee> *dont touch LP
[21:09] <soee> there ws some app to batch image resize i think
[21:10] <soee> do you know what it was ?
[21:12] <valorie> imagemagick?
[21:12] <valorie> !info imagemagick
[21:13] <soee> ah yes: mogrify -resize 1900x *.jpg
[21:13] <soee>  :)
[21:16] <clivejo> acheronuk: would you mind installing digikam from staging-apps for me please?
[21:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: it already upgraded earlier
[21:17] <clivejo> any issues?
[21:19] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23068481/
[21:19] <clivejo> did it launch?
[21:19] <acheronuk> as long as those k/sane changes were appropriate, then I think that was ok
[21:20] <clivejo> seem to be old KDE4 being replaced by KF5
[21:20] <acheronuk> It launches. I don't use it really, so didn't test beyond that.
[21:20] <clivejo> its quite good for managing photos
[21:21] <ahoneybun> I do that with dolphin
[21:21] <clivejo> more advanced features
[21:21] <clivejo> locating where the pic was taken, tagging, batch editting
[21:22] <acheronuk> I'm not a greater photo taker. Or care that much about the ones I do.
[21:23] <mhall119> acheronuk: snaps will be pretty big under we get the content-sharing interface working, then we can "share" the KDE runtime between them
[21:25] <acheronuk> mhall119: ah. I misread 'content sharing' as something else. That makes a whole load of more sense. :)
[21:28] <santa_> yofel: the other day clivejo merged part of my 'work3' in master, that included all the commits up to a gbp-ppa fix, the rest are still not merged in master. I mentioned the sunday I was running a rebuild test: well I made a small mistake and I had to repeat it but I got it finised sucessfully
[21:28] <ahoneybun> so they made the Power Shell open source and in a AppImage
[21:28] <santa_> so to sum up, I think you can/should merge my work3 branch in master
[21:28] <ahoneybun> Power Shell snap mhall119?
[21:28] <santa_> link: https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work3
[21:29] <santa_> and btw, guys please consider to include the kde4libs patch for visibility, it's very important
[21:32] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I saw that. I've not used windows for anything too serious for too long now to know if that is worth a damn.
[21:33] <ahoneybun> idk if it is or not
[21:33] <ahoneybun> I did not get too much into the console when I was on Windows
[21:34] <acheronuk> things I did, I ended using cygwin anyway!
[21:35] <ahoneybun> lol
[21:37] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I'm still hoping for a Skype snap, so I can stop giving Microsoft root-access to my laptop just to talk to my parents
[21:40] <ahoneybun> Hangouts?
[23:03] <mhall119> yeah, tried that, my dad seems to always be able to mess it up, I have no idea how
[23:03] <ahoneybun> oh damn
[23:04] <ahoneybun> Hangouts lol


[07:40] <gnomefreak> bug 244219
[08:01] <gnomefreak> bug 349451
[08:02] <gnomefreak> mozilla 349451
[10:34] <gnomefreak> ok started vimperator just not in mood to work today
[12:30] <gnomefreak> i hate e16 :(
[13:00] <gnomefreak> asac: we need to do something about merges everything im building is already being merged hint im working for no reason
[15:13] <fta> asac, with the new {flash,X,nvidia driver}, when I leave a page with a video (either with back or by clicking on a link), the whole screen turns black for a few seconds before leaving the current page. scary.
[15:22] <fta> -flash, seems it's only with the totem plugin
[15:24] <asac> fta: hmm ... can you tell gnomefreak that i complained about him copying stuff instead of merging upstream tree? have the feeling he doesnt understand
[15:25] <asac> last time he wondered why we want to merge extensions from debian (because i complained to him about not merging upstream tree)
[15:25] <asac> fta: are you on amd64?
[15:25] <fta> not here
[15:26] <asac> ok ... because kees moved flash to native on amd64
[15:26] <asac> which is still alpha
[15:28] <asac> fta: wanna do he flashplugin-installer rename? i have the feeling that we should do it rather quick ... not sure what kees did to postinst :(
[15:28] <asac> otherwise i will do tonight ;)
[15:30] <fta> i'm not sure what you really want
[15:30] <asac> fta: i want the flashplugin-nonfree i have in my ppa ... just renamed
[15:31] <asac> to flashplugin-installer ....
[15:31] <asac> also i want the actual plugin to also go to /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/
[15:31] <asac> and touching .autoreg
[15:31] <fta> damn, all the dhtml menus are blinking in ff3.1 now. impossible to select any entry
[15:31] <nhandler> Doesn't the mozilla team not use REVU for new extensions?
[15:31] <asac> hmm
[15:31] <asac> nhandler: ho
[15:31] <asac> no
[15:31] <asac> ;)
[15:32] <asac> we have branches and do peer review here
[15:32] <nhandler> asac: Do they go entirely through the mozillateam or do they get uus involved?
[15:32] <asac> nhandler: well .. uus never worked as it bounces back to us ... so we do it on our own
[15:32] <asac> nhandler: that is for extensions packaged by us
[15:32] <nhandler> asac: Ok, just making sure before I comment on a bug. Thanks
[15:32] <nhandler> asac: It is a new extension
[15:33] <asac> for merges from debian its ok to try uus ... but even then they bounce to us
[15:33] <asac> nhandler: look at our wiki page please ... would be cool if you oculd use our branch practices
[15:33] <asac> e.g. using xpi.mk
[15:33] <asac> from mozilla-devscripts
[15:33] <asac> makes things rather trivial
[15:33] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/
[15:33] <asac> there are a bunch of examples
[15:34] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions/Bzr
[15:34] <nhandler> asac: It isn't me packaging it ;)
[15:34] <asac> nhandler: yeah ... if its New it should follow those procedures ...
[15:34] <asac> especially if its for ubuntu (not for debian)
[15:35] <asac> nhandler: so just keep that in mind when reviewing
[15:36] <asac> ok off ... scared to get my laptop robbed
[15:36] <asac> cu later
[15:36] <fta> asac, ?
[17:08] <asac> fta: back
[17:08] <asac> fta: so what we want is:
[17:08] <asac> a) download the archive.canonical.com orig.tar.gz to obtain the plugin
[17:09] <asac> b) use the i386 everywhere (as there is no amd64 one in archive.cnanonica.com)
[17:09] <asac> c) keep all the current alternatives (e.g. xulrunner-addons-flashplugin)
[17:09] <asac> d) use sha1sum instead of md5sum
[17:09] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/menu.gif
[17:10] <asac> e) rename package to flashplugin-nonfree and
[17:10] <asac> err (flashplugin-installer)
[17:10] <asac> f) take care that on top of the normal alternatives, the actual plugin gets als linked to the ubufox/plugins directory
[17:10] <asac> thats it ;)
[17:10] <asac> the download from canonical is in my ppa
[17:11] <fta> b) seems a regression, there's an amd64 binary now
[17:11] <asac> the sha1sum is in jaunty package (by kees)
[17:11] <asac> fta: its not final
[17:11] <asac> fta: we will use the native once its final
[17:11] <asac> (because only then we can provide a versioned url in archive.canonical.com)
[17:13] <asac> i hope we get a final amd64 binary in this cycle
[17:13] <asac> but converting to it should be easy enough
[17:14] <fta> who's pushing the canonical version?
[17:14] <asac> fta: thats the official packages
[17:14] <asac> one reason why we have them is so we can provide a static url that doesnt break when adobe releases a new thing
[17:15] <fta> i mean, how will it improve the stability of the link?
[17:15] <asac> so in future we coordinate the roll out
[17:15] <asac> fta: they dont get removed
[17:15] <fta> really?
[17:15] <asac> fta: yes. thats the whole idea
[17:15] <fta> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/
[17:15] <asac> yes
[17:15] <fta> there's only one version per dist
[17:16] <asac> fta: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[17:16] <asac> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_<IP_ADDRESS>.orig.tar.gz
[17:16] <asac> we dont care for the debs
[17:16] <asac> we care for the orig
[17:16] <asac> where we want to rip out the .so from
[17:16] <asac> (instead of downloading the .bin from adobe)
[17:17] <asac> i will recommunicate though
[17:17] <asac> that the origs have to stay
[17:17] <asac> so the partner team doesnt mess this up
[17:17] <fta> hm, my ff is acting weird, when i hover a link, it just blinks once in the status bar, then disappear
[17:17] <asac> 3.1 bug ... file a bug ;)
[17:17] <asac> (check extensions)
[17:18] <asac> fta: so mozilla-central is already 3.2pre?
[17:18] <fta> it's still b2, it started yesterday, but i didn't touch anything in ff/xul.
[17:18] <fta> -it's still+i'm still using
[17:18] <asac> yeah
[17:18] <asac> i will check once i am at home
[17:18] <asac> in 30 min or so
[17:19] <asac> i have a debug  build of latest moz-central ready i think ;)
[17:19] <asac> oh i have it here even ;)
[17:24] <asac> fta: seems to be b3pre
[17:24] <asac> but works when hovering th urls on that page
[17:24] <asac> (sorry had to run out of bus
[17:25] <asac> will be back in 15 minutes or so when at home
[17:29] <Mechtilde> I have problems with the encoding of German umlaut with lightning
[17:29] <Mechtilde> general I use UTF-8
[17:30] <Mechtilde> webcalendar use UTF-8. where can I find the switch to do it also in Lightning
[17:30] <Mechtilde> for example: instead of "ü" I get "Ä1/4"
[17:38] <asac> Mechtilde: where do you get that?
[17:38] <asac> fta: so is it an extension for you?
[17:39] <fta> asac, not sure.
[17:39] <Mechtilde> I try as Icedove/Iceowl-extension as Thunderbird/Lightning nightlybuild
[17:39] <asac> Mechtilde: yes, but where do you enter text/see the issue in the app
[17:40] <Mechtilde> this way above is when I edit in webcalender and see it in Lightning
[17:40] <asac> Mechtilde: which webcalendar is that?
[17:40] <Mechtilde> inthe other way I edit in Lightning then I see in webcalendar "?"
[17:41] <Mechtilde> asac, was the package in Debian as the upstream version
[17:41] <Mechtilde> I test it in both version
[17:41] <asac> Mechtilde: sure. which webcalendar are you using? any special provider?
[17:42] <Mechtilde> http://www.k5n.us/webcalendar.php?topic=Documentation
[17:44] <asac> Mechtilde: my guess is that webcalendar doesnt support utf-8
[17:45] <Mechtilde> I can explicit choose German-UTF(
[17:45] <Mechtilde> I can explicit choose German-UTF8
[17:45] <asac> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2189393&group_id=3870&atid=203870
[17:45] <asac> probably a bug?
[17:46] <asac> Mechtilde: is there a web front end?
[17:46] <Mechtilde> yes
[17:46] <asac> go to that page with firefox and check which encoding it has
[17:46] <asac> Mechtilde: if you enter umlauts on the web front end, do they at least look ok on the webfrontend?
[17:47] <Mechtilde> yes
[17:47] <asac> Mechtilde: check with firefox then
[17:47] <asac> what encoding is actually used
[17:48] <asac> use tools -> page info to get that info
[17:48] <Mechtilde> Firefox says UTF-8 under "View -> Charakter coding
[17:48] <asac> Mechtilde: use page info
[17:48] <asac> check what it says in "meta tags" and then check what it says in response headers
[17:49] <Mechtilde> text/html; charset=UTF-8
[17:49] <Mechtilde> "response headers"?
[17:49] <asac> Mechtilde: ok and how do you get the calendar info from webcalendar to sunbird
[17:49] <asac> is that a .ics link?
[17:49] <asac> that you subscribe to?
[17:50] <Mechtilde> http://<host>WebCalendar-1.2.0/icalclient.php
[17:50] <Mechtilde> http://<host>/WebCalendar-1.2.0/icalclient.php
[17:51] <asac> Mechtilde: what happens if you call that url in firefox?
[17:51] <Mechtilde> Unknown language :/
[17:52] <asac> ok ... most likely its a real protocol
[17:52] <asac> no clue then
[17:52] <Mechtilde> first thanks for helping to get this inormations
[17:52] <asac> you could try 0.9 or change a setting in sunbird
[17:53] <asac> Mechtilde: try to go to advanced config editor
[17:53] <asac> and change intl.charset.default to UTF-8
[17:54] <Mechtilde> I change it
[17:54] <Mechtilde> must I restart thunderbird?
[17:56] <asac> most likely
[17:56] <Mechtilde> nothing changed
[17:56] <asac> maybe you even need to remove cached calendar info
[17:57] <asac> i assume its now broken in the sqlite db
[17:57] <asac> and the error happens when the data is imported
[17:57] <asac> try some new data
[17:57] <Mechtilde> I use mysql
[17:57] <asac> Mechtilde: no ... sunbird has its own db
[17:57] <Mechtilde> ok that will take some time thands
[17:57] <asac> internally to cache data
[17:58] <asac> play around a bit and let me know
[17:58] <asac> ok off more housekeeping
[17:58] <Mechtilde> first I try a new connection to webcalendar
[17:59] <Mechtilde> a new connection doesn't help
[18:02] <Mechtilde> and also new entry has the same effect
[18:55] <fta> asac, same in safe mode :(
[19:02] <fta> asac, hm, it seems it only flashes when ff is in the foreground, not when ff is partly hidden. i use metacity without autoraise & raise-on-click.
[19:05] <Mechtilde> asac I look for the encoding settings in the webserver
[21:50] <fta> mconnor, what is the codename of 3.2 ?
[21:51] <mconnor> uh
[21:51] <mconnor> that's a _great_ questino
[21:51] <fta> mconnor, granparadiso, shiretoko, ... ?
[21:52] <mconnor> fta: I know what you're asking
[21:52] <fta> :)
[21:52] <mconnor> I just doubt we've actually, y'know, picked something
[21:52] <fta> oh, ok.
[22:25]  * directhex proposes "gerald" as a codename


[12:28] <xivulon> cjwatson ping
[12:35] <xivulon> cjwatson the patched version of autopartition-loop goes a bit further but it stops when doing mount -o move /isodevice /target
[12:35] <xivulon> error is: mount: /isodevice is not a block device
[12:38] <xivulon> evand mentioned it might be a problem with the version of mount used
[12:41] <evand> well, that it might be the same bug that cjwatson is seeing
[12:44] <xivulon> any good reason not to use mount --bind?
[12:45] <xivulon> I ma using it right now and it is moving forward... Let's see if I hose anything
[12:46] <xivulon> zeroing the image file (not the spediest thing I have seen)
[01:09] <evand> the current version of wubi does not seed ubiquity/summary, but xivulon is adding this to build 296 shortly
[01:42] <cjwatson> evand: still around?
[01:42] <cjwatson> I'm sorting out xivulon's issues
[01:43] <cjwatson> evand: I found a couple of m-a bugs
[01:43] <cjwatson> evand: aside from ubiquity/summary not being preseeded, the Install button shows up disabled
[01:43] <cjwatson> evand: any idea why?
[01:44] <cjwatson> for the beta, I'm going to change the zeroing to just create a sparse file
[01:44] <cjwatson> it'll probably fragment like a bastard and it won't preallocate space properly, but it's SO SLOW at the moment it's unbearable
[01:44] <evand> cjwatson: yes, brb though
[01:47] <cjwatson> also found another partman-auto-loop bug and an os-prober bug
[01:48] <cjwatson> but I'm getting there
[01:54] <evand> cjwatson: sorry about that, I would be very interested in the m-a bugs.  I'm not sure about the install button, but I recall seeing it before.  I just haven't noticed it in a long while as I've been preseeding that question.  I seem to recall going back a page and going forward fixes it, but that wont work here
[01:54] <evand> as we disable the back button
[01:54] <evand> I'll look into it tonight though
[01:54] <cjwatson> I'm in an awkward state for sending patches at the moment
[01:54] <evand> heh, I can imagine
[01:54] <cjwatson> but basically the windowsxp special case in mount_os gets it a bit wrong
[01:54] <cjwatson> need to kill the /etc/mtab stuff because that isn't accurate (or at least move it below /proc/mounts)
[01:54] <evand> it's detecting vista as xp, isn't it?
[01:55] <evand> ok
[01:55] <cjwatson> and stick a head -n1 in those pipelines
[01:55] <cjwatson> and remove the backslashes at the ends of those lines 'cos I'm not quite sure why they're there :)
[01:55] <evand> line continuations?
[01:55] <cjwatson> but the next lines are separate commands
[01:55] <cjwatson> so it doesn't make sense to continue the lines there
[01:56] <evand> oh, yeah, curious
[01:56] <cjwatson> it's the sequence that goes grep /etc/mtab, if that failed grep /proc/mounts, etc. to find the mountpoint
[01:56] <cjwatson> after that though we still have a problem
[01:56] <cjwatson> wubi preseeds migration-assistant/partitions to "Windows XP Professional (/dev/sda3)"
[01:56] <cjwatson> but it actually needs to be "Windows Vista/Longhorn (loader) (/dev/sda3)"
[01:56] <evand> that shouldn't matter
[01:57] <evand> It doesn't actually do anything with the first part
[01:57] <cjwatson> well, the m-a page pops up ...
[01:57] <evand> that might just be a bug in the ubiquity m-a code
[01:57] <cjwatson> /dev/sda3 is in choices
[01:57] <evand> what question is it asking?
[01:57] <cjwatson> I'm not sure, I'll have to rerun with --debug
[01:58] <cjwatson> I'm getting used to the pkill parted_server; rm -rf /var/lib/partman /var/run/parted_server.pid; losetup -d /dev/loop2; losetup -d /dev/loop3; losetup -d /dev/loop4; rm /host/ubuntu/disks/*.disk; umount /host dance
[01:58] <evand> hahaha
[01:58] <cjwatson> you're not really meant to do this ...
[01:59] <evand> it's a good thing you know what you're doing, or I'd consider that brand new windows partition a goner
[01:59] <evand> s/or/otherwise
[02:00] <cjwatson> I *think* I know what I'm doing
[02:00] <cjwatson> there's a subtle difference
[02:00] <cjwatson> oh fuck, no no no
[02:00] <cjwatson> framebuffer died
[02:01] <cjwatson> remind me how I suspend from a shell, assuming the shell is listening?
[02:01] <evand> haha, you're asking the wrong person
[02:01] <evand> btw, if you'd like to skip m-a for now, you can always preseed partitions to nothing, though I imagine you know and have done this
[02:02] <evand> I'm going to grab some programming dinner in the form of taco bell, and I shall return to release a new version of m-a with the fixes you suggest.  Feel free to keep me up to date.
[02:03] <cjwatson> damnit, had to give up and power off
[02:03] <cjwatson> there go all the in-place customisations
[02:03] <cjwatson> evand: I'll make a branch of m-a with the fixes I tested in-place
[02:04] <evand> ...months, if not years, of vmware has taught me to scp at every possible free moment
[02:04] <evand> though you probably don't have a network device
[02:04] <evand> cjwatson: thanks
[02:04] <cjwatson> oh, I mounted my normal root filesystem for a bit and stuck the changes in there
[02:04] <cjwatson> and I remember the rest
[02:04] <cjwatson> it's just that I have to apply them all to the live filesystem again by hand
[02:04] <evand> so then it's just the painstaking process of reapplying them
[02:04] <evand> indeed
[02:05] <cjwatson> d-i hacking is pretty much the same story
[02:06] <evand> gah, I can imagine
[02:15] <cjwatson> evand: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kamion/migration-assistant/wubi-fixes - please review
[03:09] <evand> reviewing now
[03:16] <evand> looks good, thank you
[03:16] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: evand * r61 migration-assistant/ (debian/changelog ma-script-utils):
[03:16] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: * In the Windows case in mount_os:
[03:16] <CIA-18> migration-assistant:  - Look in /proc/mounts, not /proc/partitions.
[03:16] <CIA-18> migration-assistant:  - Look in /proc/mounts before /etc/mtab.
[03:16] <CIA-18> migration-assistant:  - Make sure to select only the first mountpoint for a given device (in
[03:16] <CIA-18> migration-assistant:  case of bind mounts).
[03:18] <cjwatson> evand: hmm, /var/log/installer/debug says it set migration-assistant/sda3/users but doesn't seem to have any INPUT
[03:18] <evand> and the interface is showing up?
[03:18] <cjwatson> yeah
[03:18] <cjwatson> oh, hang on
[03:19] <cjwatson> it did INPUT high ubiquity/run-ma-again
[03:19] <cjwatson> and that was seen false
[03:19] <evand> curious
[03:19] <evand> oh, hrm
[03:20] <cjwatson> that seems to always be asked assuming ma-ask succeeded
[03:20] <cjwatson> so I think it needs to not trigger a page load
[03:21] <evand> ok
[03:21] <evand> the question then becomes where do I trigger the page load then.
[03:22] <cjwatson> surely that isn't what triggers it normally
[03:22] <cjwatson> normally it would just be migration-assistant/partitions
[03:22] <evand> it needs to continue after migration-assistant/partitions
[03:23] <evand> oh
[03:23] <evand> I'm going to read my own code now instead of assuming I know what I'm talking about
[03:23] <cjwatson> oh, hm, that really is where you trigger it
[03:23] <evand> heh
[03:23] <cjwatson> nothing else does FilteredCommand.run
[03:24] <evand> well, unless there isn't anything to import from, but yeah
[03:25] <cjwatson> would if 'UBIQUITY_AUTOMATIC' in os.environ: return FilteredCommand.run(blah); else: return self.succeeded
[03:25] <cjwatson> work?
[03:25] <evand> yeah, but that line is ending up everywhere in the source code
[03:25] <cjwatson> er except the other way round
[03:25] <cjwatson> I know :-/
[03:25] <evand> it's becoming quite the special case
[03:26] <evand> hrmm, I suppose that can work until a better solution is discovered
[03:26] <cjwatson> I'm not fond of it, if we can think of something better that'd be great
[03:29] <cjwatson> hmm
[03:29] <evand> yeah, continue with that in there for now and I'll see if I can find a way to get around it.  No sense in that tying you up any more than it has.
[03:31] <cjwatson> ok, I'm thinking maybe instead you should display the interface at some point after self.firstrun becomes False
[03:31] <cjwatson> half-formed thought though
[03:32] <evand> another half formed thought: you can only display the interface cleanly through FilteredCommand.run and that's a blocking operation (calls enter_ui_loop)
[03:33] <evand> I really need to delete comments as they become irrelevent.
[03:33] <evand> I'm all for it
[03:33] <evand> but I imagine that's a decision for Mark to rubber stamp
[03:33] <cjwatson> dive in and redesign bastard bits like that
[03:34] <cjwatson> I believe Matt has authority to approve sprints
[03:34] <cjwatson> I'll run it by him at some point
[03:34] <evand> FilteredCommand.run?  Heh, technically it just was, though I'll accept possibly poorly.
[03:34] <cjwatson> it wasn't well-designed to start with, which can't have helped
[03:36] <evand> the sprint idea might help with the massive ubiquity bug fix that I believe you have planned for 8.04, no sense putting band-aids on open wounds.
[03:36] <evand> er that metaphor was terrible, but I'm sure you get the idea :)
[03:38] <evand> hrmm
[03:45] <cjwatson> ok, my box crashed again, but it was doing better that time
[03:46] <cjwatson> I'm going to try to get everything I have in before the LP downtime and then go to bed
[03:46] <evand> ok, goodnight
[03:46] <evand> I may have a solution for the m-a problem
[03:46] <cjwatson> are you ready to have m-a uploaded?
[03:46] <evand> yeah, might as well
[03:46] <cjwatson> oh?
[03:47] <cjwatson> I was going to commit that workaround, but if you have something better, that's good
[03:47] <evand> no, by all means, commit that, this can always be added after the fact
[03:47] <evand> after all, it may fail miserably
[03:51] <evand> is there some trick to bzr+ssh I'm missing
[03:51] <evand> AssertionError: end of file reading from server.
[03:51] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-devel
[03:51] <cjwatson> it's down
[03:51] <cjwatson> (argh!)
[03:52] <evand> argh indeed!
[04:00] <cjwatson> ok, 15 minutes until it comes back up, let's make sure we have all our ducks in a row
[04:01] <evand> I ran pbuilder while we were waiting just to play it safe.  But as far as m-a goes it's just that two-liner.  I can't imagine that breaking anything.
[04:01] <cjwatson> partman-auto-loop: sparse files, remove 'mountpoint' file so that ubiquity doesn't get confused and claim /dev/sda is busy
[04:01] <cjwatson> migration-assistant: upload the stuff already in bzr
[04:02] <cjwatson> ubiquity: m-a workaround by checking UBIQUITY_AUTOMATIC
[04:02] <cjwatson> am I missing anything?
[04:02] <evand> not sure as my ubiquity branch is potentially out of date
[04:02] <evand> do you want to upload m-a straight, or should I put it on rookery
[04:03] <cjwatson> put it on rookery please
[04:03] <evand> you fixed the ubiquity-dm file to call with --automatic, right?
[04:04] <cjwatson> yes
[04:04] <cjwatson>   * Use the --automatic option when running ubiquity from the init script
[04:04] <cjwatson>     (thanks, Evan Dandrea).
[04:04] <cjwatson>   * Work around migration-assistant always being shown in automatic
[04:04] <cjwatson> that's the stuff in the changelog right now
[04:04] <cjwatson>     installs.
[04:05] <evand> http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/migration-assistant_0.5.1.dsc
[04:17] <evand> my god...I take over ubuntu-devel-discuss and I find messages from 2006 in the queue.
[04:17] <cjwatson> common with unmoderated lists, I think
[04:17] <cjwatson> the queue tends to be nearly all spam
[04:17] <cjwatson> so checking it isn't rewarding
[04:18] <evand> these are just people who were not subscribed
[04:18] <evand> I think
[04:18] <evand> the messages are not spam, at any rate
[04:18] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2252 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/migrationassistant.py):
[04:18] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Work around migration-assistant always being shown in automatic
[04:18] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  installs.
[04:23] <cjwatson> evand: m-a uploaded
[04:24] <evand> cjwatson: thanks!
[04:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2253 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[04:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: migration-assistant 0.5.1,
[04:26] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  partman-auto-loop 0ubuntu9.
[04:28] <evand> cjwatson: you let it through the freeze block, right?
[04:28] <evand> just making sure
[04:28] <cjwatson> I will
[04:29] <CIA-18> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2254 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.5.17
[04:29] <evand> ok
[06:28] <CIA-18> migration-assistant: evand * r62 migration-assistant/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.5.1