[00:28] <redeight> anyont here good with tablets (wacom driver)?
[00:32] <EvilResistance> redeight:  what about it
[00:32] <EvilResistance> wacom tablets work ootb since 11.04
[00:33] <EvilResistance> well at least a majority of them do
[00:33] <redeight> yes, i was atempting to fix my issue where touch stops working after resuming from sleep and not i dont have any touch at all
[00:33] <EvilResistance> i think that's because you went into sleep mode
[00:34] <EvilResistance> its a known bug that sleep mode sometimes breaks that stuff.
[00:34] <EvilResistance> to my knowledge, there's no solution except a reboot
[00:34] <redeight> but even after reboot i have no more touch. befor, when i rebooted i still had touch
[00:34] <redeight> is there a way to restore the wacom driver that comes in 11.10?
[00:48] <EvilResistance> redeight:  sec
[00:48] <redeight> ok
[00:49] <EvilResistance> holy god...
[00:49] <EvilResistance> remind me NEVER to do `modprobe -l`
[00:49] <EvilResistance> !wacom
[00:49] <EvilResistance> ugh
[00:49] <EvilResistance> no factoid
[00:49] <EvilResistance> >.>
[00:50] <EvilResistance> um...
[00:50] <EvilResistance> redeight:  all i can *guess* is unplug your tablet, boot into your system, login, then try plugging the tablet back in
[00:50] <Unit193> Grep is your friend...
[00:51] <EvilResistance> Unit193:  okay, you tell me that after you have 2500 lines flood Konsole and crash it
[00:51] <redeight> if i only knew what to grep...
[00:52] <EvilResistance> redeight:  try this: sudo modprobe wacom
[00:52] <redeight> its a touch screen tablet pc (HP tmh worked 2t) and touc
[00:52] <EvilResistance> oh wait its a tablet pc?
[00:52] <redeight> yea
[00:52] <EvilResistance> and you've got a WACOM pen/touch tablet hooked up to it?
[00:52] <EvilResistance> or smth
[00:53] <redeight> its the convertable screen laptop tablet
[00:53] <EvilResistance> ...
[00:53] <redeight> HM tm2t tablet laptop
[00:53] <redeight> geez... *HP
[00:53]  * EvilResistance initiates massive google search
[00:53] <EvilResistance> FOR WHAT ITS WORTH...
[00:53] <redeight> heh, been googing for an hour...
[00:53] <EvilResistance> <(ID-)redeight> anyont here good with tablets (wacom driver)?  <-- HP TABLET LAPTOP IS NOT WACOM
[00:53] <EvilResistance> god damned caps
[00:54]  * EvilResistance kicks his keyboard
[00:54] <EvilResistance> now before i go into twitchy, burn-the-planet confusionrage, clarify something
[00:55] <EvilResistance> redeight:  what COMPUTER are you running these items off of, and what WACOM tablet/device is connected to that COMPUTER?
[00:55] <redeight> the touch screen built into the tablet is a wacom device, it worked great when i firct installed but would stop working when you resume from sleep. i was trying to possibly compile a newer one (read 11.10 came with 1.11.0 and they have 1.11.1 wacom driver) and i peobebly mad a bad wacom.ko
[00:56] <EvilResistance> *twitches*
[00:58] <redeight> in kool aid man voice *OH YA!!!!*
[00:58]  * EvilResistance pulls out an AK-47, and decides to take a spontaneous trip to the tactical training facility
[01:02] <OerHeks> redeight, maybe the guys in #Ubuntu-touch know a fix .. but i agree with EvilResistance, it could be a known issue
[01:03] <redeight> cool thanks
[01:43] <hecacode> hey i cant find sendmail.mc in 10.10 wats going on
[02:21] <Linkmaster> So..I'm trying to install 11.10 on a lenovo s10e, and before I wiped the system on it(a standard from the kid I got it from) I noticed that one of the partitions was oddly missing, and he had brought me the computer where it wouldn't boot with a grub error, 16 I do believe. He wanted me to put kubuntu on it, so I did. Everytime I run the installer, it catches on creating the partitions, stating that it fails to create an ext3/4
[02:22] <Linkmaster> there indicate that something on the harddrive may be broken?
[02:22] <Linkmaster> oh...now I have an input/output error on /dev/sda
[02:23] <Linkmaster> Something tells me this drive is utterly borked
[02:23] <Linkmaster> and retrying/ignoring cause the message to come back up. I do believe this drive is borked
[02:51] <semitones> Hey is there anyone on here also in #kde?
[02:52] <semitones> I'd like to get in contact with an op there -- I seem to be banned and I don't know why
[03:09] <Starwatcher> hi all, on the task bar the time is in UTC and I would like it to be local. last update switched it but I can't get it back, help
[03:13] <Starwatcher> never mind found it real dummy here
[03:46] <jamil_1> def banana[A, B](f: A => State[S,B], ma: State[S,A]): State[S,B] =  ??
[03:47] <jamil_1> srry wrong channel
[03:53] <jmichaelx> sometimes Dolphin claims to have successfully unmounted a directory when it has not
[04:04] <Bearcat> does anyone have any experiance with the Network Management applet in kde4? I cant' seem to get a network up at all, unless i restart /etc/init.d/network, which seem to be besides the point. I can't find a way to get the nic to turn on.
[04:04] <Bearcat> After i figure that out, i'll start trying to get a pppd mobile modem working
[04:04] <Bearcat> but i'd love some help
[04:18] <cmt> HI~~~
[04:21] <cmt> What can i talking about....
[04:22] <Mneumonic> Does anyone use a dock in KDE?  Im not sure which one to try in kde
[04:33] <bkovacs> I wonder what the plans will be for Kubuntu 12.04.
[04:38] <Nickmh> has anyone tried the winodws 7 or Xp themes for KDE?
[04:38] <Nickmh> Hi All by the way :)
[04:39] <Nickmh> I'm tryin' to get the entire office over to Linux, Debian/Ubuntu etc.  But they're gonns freak out with all the new stuff :-)
[04:39] <Nickmh> gonns = gonna
[04:41] <Nickmh> BKovacs, the only problem I see coming is the potential for Ubuntu to be bloated and basically become a processor, hard drive and bandwidth space hog as is windows
[04:46] <jamil_1> how can I make muon install packages without asking for password ?
[05:24] <EnzoMatrix> Can anyone joing #php?
[05:25] <well_laid_lawn> I just did EnzoMatrix
[05:25] <well_laid_lawn> you might need to register your nick
[05:25] <EnzoMatrix> well_laid_lawn: Can you please invite me? I get an error about it being "invite only".
[05:25] <EnzoMatrix> Ah
[05:25] <EnzoMatrix> That might be it.
[05:25] <EnzoMatrix> Thank you.
[05:26] <well_laid_lawn> !register
[05:52] <winston> hello?
[05:56] <HulkHogan> no1 home
[05:57] <Tm_T> number one home?
[05:57] <HulkHogan> sure
[06:41] <werner_> Hi, I have Kubuntu 11.10 and a bug is causing the task manager on the taskbar to have blank spaces and use multiple rows (instead of one row) as in my settings. I googled and can only find complaints about this, no fixes though? Does anyone know of a way I can fix this myself, please
[07:03] <Num83rGuy_> Muon tells me that a package manager is running though one is not.
[07:06] <well_laid_lawn> !aptfix | Num83rGuy_
[07:08] <Num83rGuy_> OK thanks will do in a bit. using aptitude as a fall back at the moment.
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> if aptitude works then the apt database isn't locked
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> so running that command won't do anything
[07:09] <Num83rGuy_> Yeah doing an update with aptitude now.
[07:09] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[07:29] <dsaintz> hello everone
[09:48] <Aprendiz> hi all
[10:05] <Maxiride> hi all\ciao a tutti
[10:09] <Maxiride> anyone?7
[10:10] <well_laid_lawn> Maxiride: you need to just ask your question and be patient in support channels :)
[10:10] <well_laid_lawn> !ask
[10:10] <well_laid_lawn> !bot
[10:10] <well_laid_lawn> lag!
[10:10] <well_laid_lawn> !lag
[10:11] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[10:11] <Maxiride> ok ty. I'm pretty new on Kubuntu 11.10 and I don't understand the differences between the activities panel and the double desktop, they seem to provide differents workspace. But which is the differences?
[10:12] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use activities much but you can set up what applications to open with a activity
[10:13] <Maxiride> so it's like the star button in windows? There isn't already the K button to choose wich app to lunch?
[10:14] <well_laid_lawn> an activity you might have could be web where you have a twitter client and a browser open - that's the activity
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> it opens several apps at once basically
[10:16] <Maxiride> aaah ok, now it's more clear
[10:16] <Maxiride> thank you
[10:17] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[10:44] <mtron2> hello! Is there a way to add custom keybindings for kde4 (i have them in a .khotkeys file) via the terminal?
[10:47] <mtron2> in kde3 i used 'usr/lib/kconf_update_bin/khotkeys_update --id <khotkeys file>' but it seems khotkeys_update is gone from kde4
[10:51] <katsrc> this is amazing: http://oxygenkde.altervista.org/exceptionsguide.html
[10:52] <katsrc> we should have this by default on Kubuntu
[10:52] <klein_> saludo a todos
[10:52] <katsrc> if GTK3 doesn't come through quick enough for the next release of Kubuntu
[10:52] <klein_> alguien entiende español
[10:52] <well_laid_lawn> !es
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:40] <Aprendiz> where can I configure trash folder in kmail? I can only do setting for draft and sent but not for delete
[11:40] <klein_> HELLOOOOO???
[11:43] <well_laid_lawn> klein_: hi ????
[11:48] <ahox> Hi, I have problems with kmail. It does not send emails after upgrading to kmail2. Also my .xsession-errors gets about 10 "akonadi_maildispatcher_agent(2521)/libakonadi: Resource id's don't match:  "akonadi_maildir_resource_2" "akonadi_maildir_resource_0"  per second.
[11:48] <ahox> "
[11:49] <well_laid_lawn> ahox: all I can suggest is try with a new user and see if the same error occurs
[11:49] <ahox> is there some way to completly remove the current kmail settings/account etc?
[11:50] <well_laid_lawn> the config might be in .kde I'm not on a kde box atm to check
[11:58] <werner_> Hi, I have Kubuntu 11.10 and a bug is causing the task manager on the taskbar to have blank spaces and use multiple rows (instead of one row) as in my settings. I googled and can only find complaints about this, no fixes though? Does anyone know of a way I can fix this myself, please
[12:01] <BluesKaj> werner_, which kde version .4.7.2 ?
[12:02] <werner_> Hi BluesKaj yes, 4.7.2
[12:03] <BluesKaj> werner_, does resizing the panel affect the layout in the taskbar ?
[12:06] <zolfer> exit
[12:09] <TheLastProject> I can't install any software, as soon as I want to install something using Muon Software Centre (even after I just booted) I get "Another application seems to be using the package system at this time. You must close all other package managers before you will be able to install or remove any packages."
[12:10] <ahox> well_laid_lawn: it does work with a new user
[12:10] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, did you try installing any apps in the terminal?
[12:11] <ahox> TheLastProject: try an apt-get install. This may tell you which program to run to fix the problem
[12:11] <ahox> something along the lines of dpkg --reconfigure -a
[12:12] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, if you still have a problem , run this command in the terminal, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:12] <well_laid_lawn> ahox: then it must be something in your config ;)
[12:12] <TheLastProject> BluesKaj. ahox: It seems to work in the terminal, but trying to install LibreOffice through there tells me I have broken packages =/ It's the program I need installed so yeah =/ Which command should I use to fix that? =/
[12:12] <werner_> BluesKaj: Yes, as per normal. I can see all open aps, etc. Problem is simply 2 fold: 1) There are blank spaces (looks like invisible tasks) 2) There are multiple rows in the taskbar (by my settgins specified max 1 row). I have also seen that when  I close a window sometimes the space remains where the button was. It never "collapses"
[12:12] <ahox> well, yes - what I would like to know is how to remove my old config completly and redo everything
[12:13] <ahox> TheLastProject: What does an apt-get install say?
[12:14] <TheLastProject> ahox: http://paste.kde.org/142226/
[12:16] <ahox> which version of kubuntu are you running? And do you have some ppa's enabled?
[12:17] <ahox> It looks to me that the version 3.4.4~rc1 is not the official version
[12:17] <TheLastProject> ahox: Ah, I guess I should try removing the libreoffice PPA from my software sources list, forgot I have that there...
[12:19] <TheLastProject> ahox: Yep, that fixed it. Thanks a lot for the help!
[12:19] <TheLastProject> Thank you as well, BluesKaj.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> TheLastProject, ahox dexerves a cookie ! :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> err deserves
[12:20]  * TheLastProject gives ahox a cookie
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> !cookie | ahox
[12:21]  * ahox munching
[12:21] <BluesKaj> damn ppas are pita , they hang around like unwanted guests
[12:21] <TheLastProject> I was not aware that was there
[12:21] <TheLastProject> The !cookie feature, I mean
[12:21] <well_laid_lawn> !ppa
[12:22] <progre55> hey guys, anyone else has problems with skype? from time to time it just freezes, and cant even kill it. have to kill -9
[12:22] <well_laid_lawn> see the warning
[12:22] <progre55> I'm guessing it has something to do with pulseaudio, but not sure
[12:22] <well_laid_lawn> try starting it from a terminal progre55 to catch any errors
[12:23] <progre55> good idea, thanks
[12:23] <well_laid_lawn> heh that's linux 101
[12:24] <well_laid_lawn> ;)
[12:24]  * BluesKaj slurps coffee
[12:25] <well_laid_lawn> got milk?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> well, I gave up on amarok , mislists some of my fav artists double cds and puts the same numbered songs together in a single playlist so I have two1s two 2s etc ...didn't realize the devs were trying to emulate the bugs from windows media player :)
[12:33] <Brace_Work> BluesKaj: banshee does that as well, drives me potty
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Brace_Work, yeah the amarok ppl told me it wasn't the app but the tags were attached in the wrong format whatever that may be , but it has to be edited to make it work . guess I should have learned more about the defaultn settings in amarok before I let it screw up the playlists
[12:37] <Kalidarn> does anyone else get crashes with plasma when logging in
[12:37] <Kalidarn> and logging out
[12:37] <Kalidarn> seems to be a great way to crash plasma otherwise it's pretty damn stable when it's running
[12:37] <Kalidarn> much more so than unity
[12:37] <BluesKaj> why can't there just be a simple player that doesn't treat the user like he needs help managing his music files without asking first :)
[12:38] <BluesKaj> Kalidarn, I get the odd crash when logging out , but not at login
[12:39] <well_laid_lawn> BluesKaj: I use  mplayer -ao alsa -shuffle -playlist ~/music/playlist.txt | egrep "Title|Artist" and it always works
[12:41] <BluesKaj> well_laid_lawn, I like the cli as much as the next guy , but I don't shuffle and really do prefer a gui for handling media
[12:41] <well_laid_lawn> it's the only one I've found that's consistently predictable
[12:41] <well_laid_lawn> and on that note
[13:06] <phunyguy_work> Hello, how can I make VPN connections persistent in network-manager? There is an option to "Connect Automatically" but I don't think it does anything.  Every time my network connection has a hiccup, the VPN disconnects.
[13:06] <phunyguy_work> and doesnt reconnect.
[13:09] <BOY992> good morning peopleeeeeeeeeeeee
[13:09] <BOY992> can u read me?
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[13:31] <Fagio> :D
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[13:32] <pangolin> Fagio: Please stop
[13:32] <Fagio> Noob
[13:32] <pangolin> ucenik18: you too please
[13:32] <Fagio> :D
[13:33] <ucenik19__> why is it so silent
[13:33] <mitchless> any ktrace users out there?
[13:33] <ucenik19__> any1 tell me how to install Flash Player on ubuntu 7.04 ...
[13:33] <jussi> ucenik19__: Sorry, we dont support 7.04 any more :(
[13:34] <ucenik19__> just tell me
[13:34] <ucenik19__> terminal commands
[13:34] <ucenik19__> to install it
[13:34] <ucenik19__> ...
[13:34] <jussi> I have no idea.
[13:34] <pangolin> you can't
[13:34] <ucenik19__> i am at school right now
[13:34] <ucenik19__> this computer
[13:34] <ucenik19__> \has flash
[13:34] <ucenik19__> and its 7.04
[13:34] <ucenik19__> but the other ones
[13:34] <ucenik19__> dont have and are the same
[13:34] <ucenik19__> so dont know how ....
[13:34] <pangolin> ask the school's network admin to do it
[13:35] <jussi> ucenik19__: seriously, we don't know - lots of things changed sinced 7.04 and I really don't remember. In addition, its no longer supported.  :(
[13:36] <ucenik19__> well why d hell did they put 7.04
[13:36] <pangolin> ask the school's network admin
[13:36] <jussi> ucenik19__: another question for your sysadmin :)
[13:36] <ucenik19__> ...
[13:37] <ucenik19__> how can i upgrade 7.04 without cd
[13:38] <jussi> +
[13:38] <pangolin> !eolupgrade
[13:38] <pangolin> !upgrade
[13:38] <ucenik19__> O.o
[13:38] <pangolin> !eol
[13:38] <pangolin> last link will tell you how.
[13:38] <ucenik19__> where should i type that
[13:39] <Quintasan> jussi: I don't want to be a pesimist, do you think upgrading from that will work?
[13:39] <pangolin> ucenik19__: you don,t type it. you click on the link and read
[13:39] <jussi> Quintasan: yeah, if you do it the eol releases way, all the way through all the releases...
[13:40] <Quintasan> Hmmm, it would be a valuable feedback if he got that working
[13:40] <jussi> Quintasan: it certainly would be interesting, but somehow Im guessing no sudo access...
[13:40] <jussi> (he is at school)
[13:41] <jussi> maybe I shoudl do that for fun... :P
[13:41] <Quintasan> Oh, gotta bash his sysadmin at least
[13:48] <TheLastProject> I can't get access to the "File/Edit/etc" menu bar in Kopete anymore, it disappeared a few days ago but won't come back, not even if I press Alt in the hope to trigger it. Does anybody know what to do?
[13:50] <pangolin> you've tried restarting kopete?
[13:52] <TheLastProject> pangolin: Multiple times, to no avail
[13:52] <TheLastProject> pangolin: I can see this tab in any chat window (Chat/Edit/Format/Tabs/Tools/Settings/Help) but not in the main window
[13:52] <mweijts> TheLastProject:  try CTRL-M
[13:53] <TheLastProject> And thank you, mweijts.
[13:53] <TheLastProject> I knew I was missing something simple...
[13:53] <pangolin> menu was invisible?
[13:53] <TheLastProject> Yeah, it was, apparently Ctrl-M triggers it, which I was not aware of. Must've pressed it once by accident or so.
[13:54] <pangolin> something to remember.
[13:54] <pangolin> nice job mweijts :)
[13:56] <mweijts> i have a problem at the moment with Kopete it's always connecting on the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>account can't reach server, while the second account<EMAIL_ADDRESS>logged in correctly
[14:37] <alexdevillx> Any minecraft clone for kubuntu?
[14:51] <belli> Hello, is anybody here? My exboyfriend talked me to install and use kubuntu, then he left me and I have problem with loud fan and overheating and no one to help me :(
[14:52] <BluesKaj> belli, laptop or desktop?
[14:52] <genii-around> This sounds more like a hardware problem than a software problem...
[14:52] <belli> sony vaio vpcea2s1e laptop
[14:52] <belli> it is software, in windows it was okay
[14:53] <belli> in gnome it was okay, in KDE it is overheating
[14:53] <belli> I have 60-70 degrees of cpu while idle :(
[14:55] <belli> no idea anybody? :(
[14:56] <BluesKaj> belli, have a little patience , someone will help if they can
[14:57] <belli> well I hope.. I don't even know where to ask
[14:59] <ahox> belli, can you run top and powertop to see if there is some process that is at 100% or so?
[15:01] <belli> no, it is under 10% all the time
[15:01] <amichair> !java
[15:02] <ahox> belli, what does powertop say?
[15:02] <belli> ahox: sorry, what is powertop and where can I find it?
[15:03] <ahox> its in the powertop package
[15:03] <amichair> is it just me, or is there no sun-java6-* in oneiric repos?
[15:03] <ahox> and its basically the same as top, just for power-related stuff
[15:04] <ahox> amichair: its just you ;-)
[15:05] <amichair> ahox: are they still in the partner repos? I don't see them there...
[15:05] <ahox> I am just trying to figure that out - how do I see the source-repo?
[15:06] <ahox> found it - its in natty/main (archive.canonical.com)
[15:06] <amichair> ahox: maybe apt-cache show <package>?
[15:06] <amichair> natty ain't oneiric :-)
[15:07] <ahox> good point - must be a leftover from before the upgrade
[15:09] <amichair> !info sun-java-jdk
[15:09] <amichair> there u have it
[15:09] <amichair> !info sun-java-jdk natty
[15:09] <belli> http://pastebin.com/mmWCiwr2
[15:09] <amichair> !find sun-java-jdk
[15:10] <amichair> !find sun-java-jdk natty
[15:10] <ahox> so I assume its now the openjdk-6-* packages
[15:10] <amichair> strange
[15:13] <ahox> belli, your cpu certainly runs a lot in the higher cpu states quiet a bit, but not that much - the only thing I find a bit strange is your touchpad
[15:13] <belli> ahox: but what is wrong with my touchpad?
[15:14] <ahox> no idea, maybe google for it?
[15:14] <ahox> or upgrade to oneiric
[15:14] <belli> under what phrase? :D
[15:15] <ahox> your laptop name
[15:15] <ahox> +touchpad problems
[15:15] <belli> ahox: but in gnome and in windows I have no problems with anything :/
[15:15] <ahox> thought, if this is a driver issue, then upgrading may be the easiest option
[15:15] <ahox> then add an kde or linux to it
[15:16] <ahox> actually, you could run powertop again under gnome to see if it changes
[15:16] <ahox> if it doesn't then this is not the problem
[15:16] <belli> ok, Im going to try..
[15:20] <belli> ahox: but it has nothing to do with touchpad.. that % in powertop is according to my movement of cursor with touchpad.. when I don't move with it, it under 10%, when I move, it's more
[15:21] <RandomRoger> umm, where is the menu.lst file in kubuntu ?
[15:22] <belli> and it is some bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/194489 any other idea?
[15:24] <ahox> which version of kubuntu are you running?
[15:24] <RandomRoger> I found it its grub.cfg in 10.10
[15:24] <koch> Hi.
[15:24] <belli> actually I have ubuntu 11.04 with KDE installed.. in some chat told me that it is like having kubuntu 11.04
[15:24] <RandomRoger> How do I get kubuntu to display the menu when I boot so I can select which entry I want to boot ?
[15:25] <koch> how to see every pc connected on my network?
[15:25] <ahox> that's correct - but you may want to try out 11.10
[15:25] <RandomRoger> yeah that's what I meant, my bad.
[15:25] <RandomRoger> I am running 11.10
[15:25] <belli> ahox: I would love to, but this month I can't because of limits on my internet connection.. I will upgade asap
[15:25] <RandomRoger> Is there some key I have to hit on boot to get the grub meny ?
[15:26] <RandomRoger> menu.
[15:26] <claydoh> RandomRoger: shift key iirc
[15:26] <RandomRoger> Ok, will give it a try.
[15:26] <RandomRoger> ty
[15:26] <claydoh> but do you have a dual boot RandomRoger?
[15:26] <claydoh> oopsie
[15:28] <RandomRoger> Nope, not shift key.
[15:28] <RandomRoger> Anyhow, my new kernel works but the gfx are borked.
[15:28] <RandomRoger> I have to 3D acceleration.
[15:28] <ahox> belli, the only other thing I can now think of is to use ksysguard and go through the sensors to spot something odd there
[15:29] <RandomRoger> no*
[15:29] <ahox> CPU Load/Interrupts/Total may be an interesting number
[15:30] <RandomRoger> Anyone else know how I mite get into the grub menu on boot ?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> RandomRoger,  hold the shift key down right after the bios scrn until the grub menu appears
[15:30] <RandomRoger> K, will try.
[15:32] <RandomRoger> Success
[15:32] <RandomRoger> Now to find if I can somehow enable my gfx card on the new kernel.
[15:32] <ahox> RandomRoger: otherwise have a look at /etc/defaults/grub
[15:33] <RandomRoger> Thanks
[15:33] <RandomRoger> Actually I remember some error regarding fglrx when compiling the kernel, so that mite be why the new one has no 3D
[15:36] <amichair> is there a utility that makes all changes necessary for properly using an ssd?
[15:40] <FuZz_> hello
[15:40] <amichair> !ssd
[15:40] <FuZz_> !ssd
[15:40] <FuZz_> :D
[15:41] <amichair> one can try...
[15:42] <claydoh> RandomRoger: are you dual booting, or have both ubuntu/kubuntu installed together?
[15:42] <RandomRoger> I just have Kubuntu
[15:42] <claydoh> shift key to bring up grub can be tricky timing wise
[15:43] <claydoh> RandomRoger: you wouldnt use grub then, you would choose kde or unity or whichever desktop at the login
[15:43] <RandomRoger> No, I needed it because I have multiple kernels
[15:44] <RandomRoger> I'm experimenting with compiling my own. So I need to get into grub to select which kernel to boot.,
[15:46] <claydoh> make sure you run update-grub to add the kernels to it, the kernel build might not be adding an entry to grub
[15:46] <RandomRoger> Its there
[15:47] <RandomRoger> I needed to boot the old kernel again though because there's a problem with fglrx
[15:49] <claydoh> good, you just have to hit or hold down shift at the right time, I have seen it be tricky so try a few times if  you have to
[15:50] <claydoh> RandomRoger: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Boot_Display_Behavior
[15:50] <claydoh> if you need to edit the file to turn it on permanently
[15:50] <RandomRoger> Thanks
[15:52] <RandomRoger> Love Linux man, its so fun.
[15:56] <koch> how to change the name of ntfs disk, via terminal linux?
[16:04] <koch> so thnks.
[16:04] <koch> bye
[16:08] <bios`> hi I am looking for a tool which allows me to make anotations in pdfs (xournal is a way to limited since you can only write text on the white boarders and okular does not allow me to send the anotatins to friends who are not using okuklar as well)
[16:18] <Walzmyn> I'm tyring to install skype. The interwebs say it's in the partners repo, but I don't see it. I downloaded the .deb from skype but it's telling me skype is availiable in a repo channel. What gives?
[16:21] <pangolin> !partner
[16:25] <Walzmyn> pangolin: right, but skype's not in there. I found a dozen articles saying that was where it was
[16:25] <Walzmyn> and I've searched the repos for it and not found it, but the .deb from sykpe said there was a repo verson availiable some where
[16:28] <pangolin> interesting, I am getting the same results
[16:29] <amichair_> !find skype oneiric partner
[16:29] <BluesKaj> 32 bit skype is available in the repos here
[16:29] <BluesKaj> !skype
[16:30] <amichair_> what's the syntax again?
[16:30] <amichair_> !find skype oneiric
[16:30] <BluesKaj> !info skype
[16:31] <BluesKaj> I usually download the static version , for palin skype ...it works ok on 64bit
[16:31] <BluesKaj> plain
[16:32] <BluesKaj> conflicting factoids
[16:33] <Walzmyn> sorry, taking care of kid. I need 64 bit, so just get it from skype?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn,yeah , probly your best bet
[16:34] <Walzmyn> I got it, but havn't installed yet. it said it needed to install 95 additional packages
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, I usually get it from the website ...wonder how old that ubuntu tutorial is .
[16:38] <Walzmyn> some of what I was reading was referencing 11.10
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, ok , because al I see on the skype site is a beta version
[16:40] <BluesKaj> all
[16:51] <Num83rGuy_> Just installed Kubuntu 11.10, Muon crashes, Now Muon will not get new packages with the error along the line of "package system in use close other package managers". No other is in use and aptitude, apt-get works
[16:52] <Num83rGuy_> Where is muon's lock file?
[16:52] <ishaan> Num83rGuy_: Have u tried restarting the Os?
[16:53] <Num83rGuy_> ishaan Yes
[16:53] <ishaan> Num83rGuy_ Whats the exact error and where?
[16:54] <phunyguy_work> it is definitely the lock file, but where is it
[16:54] <Num83rGuy_> Muon package manager. When trying to apply a change to a package install, remove, etc.
[16:54] <ishaan> try sudo apt-get muon --restart
[16:55] <phunyguy_work> a muon crash will cause a lock file to remain according to google
[16:55] <phunyguy_work> just not sure how to kill it
[16:56] <ishaan> then find the process using "ps -A" command in the konsole
[16:56] <Num83rGuy_> Command line option --restart is not understood Did you mean reinstall
[16:56] <ishaan> no restart.
[16:56] <ishaan> its a the force strart type.
[16:58] <Num83rGuy_> I put in "sudo apt-get muon --restart" and the output was "Command line option --restart is not understood"
[16:58] <ishaan> can u send me the processes running in ur system using "ps-A" in the konsole?
[16:58] <phunyguy_work> ishaan, i dont think there is a process running
[16:58] <phunyguy_work> thats what he is trying to say
[16:59] <ishaan> thats why iam checking it against background ones...it may run and cause crash or there are other apps running which is causing the same.
[16:59] <Num83rGuy_> ishaan http://pastebin.com/xK3Bk3XH
[17:00] <Num83rGuy_> No not that I am aware of.
[17:01] <Num83rGuy_> Muon only crashed once and now is locked out of the package system but, aptitude and apt-get still work so it is not the apt lock file.
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, just try muon in the terminal , see what comes up
[17:05] <ishaan> BluesKaj: thats a good suggestion
[17:05] <ishaan> Num83rGuy_: try that.
[17:05] <Num83rGuy_> ok
[17:05] <phunyguy_work> ishaan is the IRC traffic cop.
[17:06] <ishaan> phunyguy_work: who me??
[17:06] <phunyguy_work> Num83rGuy_: follow ishaan's suggestion to follow BluesKaj's suggestion.
[17:07] <phunyguy_work> ishaan: that was a good suggestion to follow BluesKaj's suggestion
[17:07] <phunyguy_work> :P
[17:07] <phunyguy_work> lunchtime, bbl
[17:07] <ishaan> hmm..which country are u in phunyguy_work?
[17:07] <Num83rGuy_> LOL yeah, running "sudo muon" in konsole works.
[17:08] <ishaan> try not use sudo when executing GUI's
[17:08] <ishaan> use gksudo
[17:08] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, what about muon only , in user mode rather than sudo
[17:08] <ishaan> yes iwas gonna write that too..
[17:09] <BluesKaj> ishaan, this is kubuntu , kde territory
[17:10] <Num83rGuy_> It seems to run but says I don't have authorization.
[17:10] <ishaan> yes i knw..thats why i said gksudo..do one thing,try sudo dolphin and see the result in the konsole.you can see what is said BluesKaj
[17:10] <Num83rGuy_> When I try to install
[17:11] <ishaan> Num83rGuy_: install what?
[17:11] <genii-around> !kdesudo
[17:11] <Num83rGuy_> kdesudo muon works too.
[17:11] <Num83rGuy_> I installed 2ping
[17:12] <genii-around> Num83rGuy_ and ishaan .. please see the ubottu's link as to why not to use sudo to run gui apps
[17:12] <Num83rGuy_> first thing in the list and small.
[17:12] <ishaan> genii-around: i knw that.Thanks for the heads up.
[17:13] <ishaan> Num83rGuy_: and what happens then?
[17:13] <Num83rGuy_> It works with sudo it works with kdesudo just not run from the menu.
[17:14] <genii-around> ishaan: I see now... pulled the factoid up so that others would not think this should be a good way to run muon or dolphin, then checked backscroll :)
[17:14] <Num83rGuy_> I know that it is not the best method and the issues it causes. thanks
[17:16] <ishaan> genii-around: I think u got my point...Somewhat!
[17:16] <Num83rGuy_> let me try again and see .
[17:18]  * BluesKaj has learned the lazy methods. my ~/.bashrc file is full of aliases
[17:20] <dewey> anyone on good with wifi issues ?
[17:20] <phunyguy_work> just ask your question.
[17:20] <phunyguy_work> (dewey)
[17:21] <dewey> ok well when i am using wifi it works for a few seconds then kind of freezes. if i reconect its fine again for a few seconds but stops again
[17:21] <dewey> its an intel wifi and i download the drivers
[17:21] <dewey> iwlwifi
[17:21] <dewey> still does it
[17:21] <Amdpc> Hi..does anyone here know how to connect to mobile broadband in kubuntu 10.10 ?
[17:22] <Amdpc> !bluetooth
[17:22] <dewey> Amdpc it works just like regular wifi
[17:23] <Amdpc> dewey : When I plug the dongle , It is shown in the network option in the panel...But I am unable to connect it...Can you help ?
[17:23] <dewey> oh your using the USB one
[17:23] <Amdpc> yes..
[17:23] <dewey> witch one do you have ?
[17:26] <dewey> should be a model number on the back by the ESN (barcode)
[17:27] <BluesKaj> dewey,for the intel wifi module , try , sudo modprobe iwlwifi , in the the terminal
[17:29] <dewey> blueskaj says module not found
[17:29] <dewey> but its in /lib/firmware where it said to puti it
[17:30] <Amdpc> dewey : Tata Photon Plus (INdia)
[17:31] <dewey> amdpc not familiar with that one
[17:32] <dewey> amdpc try this link http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-configure-tataindicom-mobile-broadband-on-linux/
[17:35] <genii-around> dewey: firmware should be put in /lib/firmware ( and usually only if you intend to use ndiswrapper as the driver )
[17:35] <Amdpc> dewey : dewey : n one more thing...I am able to connect my dongle using Ubuntu..
[17:35] <dewey> genii-around ok so where should i put it ?
[17:36] <dewey> amdpc it has ubuntu on the site check it out
[17:36] <genii-around> dewey: Where did you download the drivers from, are they Windows or Linux drivers?
 : Yeh....I am on UBuntu only and it is connected :)
[17:37] <genii-around> ( and what is the extension of the filename either way )
[17:37] <dewey> they are linux drivers i got from intellinuxwireless
[17:38] <dewey> .ucode
[17:39] <genii-around> dewey: OK, so that file actually is in the correct place. But for it to be used, you have to be then using ndiswrapper for your driver and not the native linux driver
[17:40] <dewey> ok let me google that thanks
[17:42] <genii-around> dewey: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper might get you started
[17:46] <rymate1234> hai
[17:49] <dewey> genii-around it requires a .inf file? so it wont work with .ucode will it ?
[17:50] <rymate1234> kubunntu uses a load of ram
[17:50] <rymate1234> why is this?
[17:51] <genii-around> dewey: Most adapters when used with ndiswrapper will require BOTH... the firmware to the hardware ( .ucode or .fw file) and the windows device driver information ( .inf file)
[17:52] <dewey> ok so i need to find the windows driver too ?
[17:52] <rymate1234> guys
[17:52] <genii-around> rymate1234: KDE can be fairly resource-heavy compared to other desktop environments like GNOME, or XFCE
[17:53] <rymate1234> ye
[17:53] <genii-around> dewey: Yep
[17:53] <dewey> so i should install it to /lib/firmware as well ?
[17:55] <rymate1234> genii-around: but surely it shouldn't be using 70% of my ram
[17:55] <rymate1234> only applications I have open are xchat and chrome
[17:56] <genii-around> dewey: Usually when there are more than a couple files involved for the single device, to make a subdirectory under /lib/firmware and put all of the stuff into that
[17:56] <genii-around> rymate1234: How much ram does your system have?
[17:56] <rymate1234> 3Gb
[17:56] <genii-around> Apologies on lag, work requires my attention here periodically
[17:57] <rymate1234> holy shit
[17:57] <rymate1234> ram usage went wayyy down when i closed chrome
[17:59] <genii-around> rymate1234: Now ya know. ... also, please try to keep the language family friendly here :)
[17:59] <rymate1234> oh ok :P
[18:03] <dewey> genii-around it appears to be impossible to download the inf files....
[18:05] <dewey> genii-around all i  can fine are the .exe
[18:05] <genii-around> dewey: The usual thing is to download the Windows driver entirely. They are usually in .zip or sometimes self-extracting .exe ... then extracting the .inf and also .sys files
[18:05] <dewey> how do i get the inf out of an exe? lol
[18:06] <Num83rGuy_> Ugh, Sorry went to reboot suddenly everyone wanted to come over.  Found out what my issue with Muon was.
[18:06] <genii-around> dewey: Usually by having wine already installed and then using that to run it, etc
[18:06] <dewey> yeah thats what i figured
[18:07] <dewey> installing wine...
[18:07] <Num83rGuy_> Cryptic error messages.  I was trying to install a package that caused broken depends was putting up the package system in use error.
[18:09] <Num83rGuy_> ishaan Installing a package with broken depends causes the package system in use error.
[18:11] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, sudo dpkg --configure -a , then it might suggest , sudo apt-get -f install
[18:12] <Num83rGuy_> It 's OK I have it fixed now but, thank you.
[18:16] <BluesKaj> BBL...stuff to do
[18:40] <dewey> ok genii-around lets see how long this works
[18:41] <dewey> !ping
[18:41] <rymate1234> !ping
[18:41] <genii-around> It's rate-limited
[18:43] <dewey> still seems to be lagging out
[18:43] <dewey> cant open any web sites now
[18:43] <dewey> !ping
[18:43] <dewey> im getting pinged though
[18:43] <dewey> odd
[18:45] <dewey> ugh ever since unity was put in ubuntu i went back to windows. thought i would try kubuntu but i am about to go back to windows again
[18:47] <rymate1234> dewey: want my advice?
[18:48] <dewey> sure
[18:48] <rymate1234> afaik there is an option on the ubuntu login screen to use the "classic" interface
[18:48] <rymate1234> its a dropown box on the bottom
[18:49] <rymate1234> or use 10.04 lts
[18:49] <BluesKaj> dewey,   sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[18:50] <BluesKaj> dewey, any error messages?
[18:50] <dewey> i dont understand why i am fine here but websites time out.
[18:50] <dewey> no error
[18:50] <BluesKaj> that means it's connected
[18:50] <dewey> i am connected but on wireless everything times out
[18:51] <dewey> like package installs
[18:51] <dewey> and websites
[18:51] <genii-around> dewey: So you are connected to irc fine but websites having issues?
[18:51] <dewey> not just websites
[18:51] <genii-around> Smells like dns issue
[18:51] <dewey> yeah its odd
[18:51] <dewey> ideas ?
[18:52] <genii-around> dewey: You are connected by both wireless and wire to same router/access point but only one connection is working?
[18:52] <dewey> no i unplugged wired
[18:53] <dewey> let me try a reboot after i did all this network stuff brb
[18:54] <genii-around> dewey: Might want to try: sudo dhclient wlan0
[18:54] <genii-around> ( assuming it's supposed to be automatically getting an ip)
[19:06] <BluesKaj> dewey, do you see your network/router, sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[19:06] <ubuntu> hi?
[19:07] <dewey> genii-around ok I am wired again the icon in the bottom right corner that let me search for wireless networks is gone. Any idea how to get that back ?
[19:07] <ubuntu> bye bye guys
[19:07] <BluesKaj> dewey, look at my post above
[19:08] <dewey> says device doesnt support scaning
[19:08] <BluesKaj> you need the wifi connection on , no wired for that test
[19:08] <dewey> yeah i know i am looking for how to get that icon back one sec
[19:10] <dewey> any idea ?
[19:11] <dewey> got it
[19:11] <dewey> ok one sec
[19:11] <dewey> switching to wireless
[19:14] <calcmandan_tp> so its kdesudo now and not kdesu like it was?
[19:17] <dewey> BluesKaj what ever i did has completely removed my wireless
[19:17] <dewey> it doesnt detect my card at all now
[19:20] <genii-around> calcmandan_tp: Correct
[19:23] <dewey> genii-around any idea why now the network software doesnt see my wifi ?
[19:23] <dewey> but when i do lspci | grep -i net it finds my card
[19:23] <genii-around> dewey: Did you do something like blacklist the linux driver it was using previously?
[19:23] <dewey> nope
[19:24] <dewey> all i did was ndiswrapper -i mydriver.inf
[19:24] <dewey> should i do the .sys too ?
[19:25] <genii-around> dewey: Is ndiswrapper a currently loaded module?
[19:25] <genii-around> eg: does lsmod| grep ndiswrapper     show it?
[19:26] <dewey> no it doesnt
[19:26] <dewey> so its not loaded
[19:26] <dewey> doesnt ndiswrapper -m make it come on at startup ?
[19:27] <genii-around> dewey: You would still need to probably put ndiswrapper in /etc/modules for it to be loaded each boot
[19:30] <dewey> genii-around so just add the line ndiswrapper to the file ?
[19:30] <genii-around> Yep
[19:31] <dewey> ok so how do i run it now
[19:37] <genii-around> dewey: For the moment just manually: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[19:37] <linux4u2> hi.
[19:38] <linux4u2> why does bluetooth headsets not work in 11.04?
[19:38] <dewey> ok brb testing
[19:38] <linux4u2> I have yet to see any post a how to or anything close to a set of working instructions?
[19:41] <genii-around> linux4u2: If in Konsole you put: sudo service bluetooth restart        and try again your headset does it see it then?
[19:47] <linux4u2> ok let me try
[19:49] <linux4u2> ok I have restart bluetooth
[19:49] <linux4u2> I have the headset paired. but how to I get any sound out of it.
[19:49] <dewey> genii-around now its seeing my connections but doesnt connect. Just says wait for authorization
[19:50] <dewey> i have remove the connection and readded it
[19:50] <linux4u2> I have tried blue-devil, blueman and bluetooth-applet.
[19:51] <genii-around> linux4u2: Do you see a usb audio device in kmix?
[19:51] <linux4u2> dont think so, let me double check
[19:52] <linux4u2> no
[19:52] <linux4u2> no usb audio device in kmix
[19:52] <linux4u2> I cant see the sink in pulseaudio.
[19:52] <linux4u2> what kills me is this worked perfectly in 10.10
[19:52] <genii-around> dewey: Hm. I currently have no suggestions
[19:53] <genii-around> linux4u2: If you put: alsamixer              and then in there F6  does it show the headset?
[20:00] <Orcris> Is there any way to make Kdenlive work, or do I just need to wait for an update?
[20:00] <linux4u2> ok let me try genii
[20:01] <linux4u2> genii-around,  no it doesnt show a headset
[20:01] <linux4u2> do I need a .asoudrc file?
[20:06] <jmichaelx> i don't think anyone has .asoundrc in oneiric by default
[20:09] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, , linux4u2 , ~/.asoundrc is usually required if you have a pci soundcard that needs to be made the default in the bios ..but that's my experience ..yours may differ
[20:09] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: that may well be the case.... on two machines i have had constant issues with the wrong audio device be set as the default
[20:10] <jmichaelx> (in oneiric)
[20:10] <andycc> This might be a stupid question, but why is my mouse cursor disappearing when I'm not moving it? I looked through System Settings and couldn't find anything relevant...
[20:10] <jmichaelx> in both cases, phonon settings seems to be fairly worthless
[20:11] <jmichaelx> andycc: i see that, too.... but only when a firefix window is open. if i move the mouse, it comes back
[20:11] <andycc> (I also STFWed, but it didn't turn up anything relevant either)
[20:11]  * jmichaelx STFWed?
[20:12]  * jmichaelx understands the TF, but not the S or W....
[20:12] <andycc> jmichaelx: STFW = search the F-ing web
[20:12] <jmichaelx> lol
[20:12] <jmichaelx> got it now
[20:12] <BluesKaj> also the  /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file nedds to have the new pci card kernel module/driver:  options newsoundcardmodule index=0
[20:13] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: yea, i have alsa-base.conf set correctly, but the machine sometimes still sets the wrong device as the default (a USB microphone, of all things)
[20:14] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: right now, the default devie is set correctly 3 out of 4 time.... when it tries to make the webcam mic the default, i just unplug the webcam, then plug it back in, and things are fine
[20:14] <BluesKaj> jmichaelx, make sure you have first in the list under this line : # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0
[20:15] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: yes, that is how i have it
[20:15] <jmichaelx> i did not have this problem in natty
[20:15] <jmichaelx> this issue is mildly annoying, but there are several issues in kubuntu oneiric that annoy me much more than this
[20:16] <BluesKaj> ok, then that webcam mic must have some drivercode that kills anyother audio drives
[20:16] <jmichaelx> BluesKaj: entirely possible.... although one would think that a mic should never be the default audio device
[20:16] <BluesKaj> kde window sizing is one of my pet annoyances
[20:17] <mivasa> hello everyone
[20:17] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: hi
[20:17] <BluesKaj> anywayn , back to raking ...bbi
[20:17] <phoenix_firebrd> mivasa: hello
[20:17] <jmichaelx> yes, trying to move a window by dragging titlebar often results in resizing
[20:17] <mivasa> i am looking for a usent server any recommendations
[20:18] <mivasa> sorry Usenet Server...
[20:18] <BluesKaj> the davance window and application settings won't hold unles i use 'force' ...remember doesn't remember anything :)
[20:18] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta do some work for a bit
[20:20] <linux4u2> hey BluesKaj  I agree, but I was at the point to try anything.
[20:20] <linux4u2> why is there no howto for 11.04? since they changed everything in 11.04 I figure someone would have created a howto.
[20:23] <merlin1991> is it a known bug that rekonq keeps crashing, or am I special?
[20:25] <well_laid_lawn> there's beena few ppl with that issue
[20:25] <merlin1991> known solutions?
[20:25] <well_laid_lawn> use something else
[20:25] <merlin1991> my symptoms are random crashes + definite crash when I try to dl anything
[20:25] <merlin1991> arf
[20:25] <merlin1991> I was looking forward not to install mozilla for once :D
[20:26] <well_laid_lawn> heh
[20:26] <merlin1991> what would be a lightweight browser for kde then?
[20:28] <well_laid_lawn> konqueror amybe
[20:28] <genii-around> konqueror is fairly serviceable, yes
[20:29] <andycc> merlin1991: if lightweight is what you're looking for, then yeah, +1 for Konqueror.
[20:29] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: do you get any error messages?
[20:30] <merlin1991> phoenix_firebrd: I didn't check logs (does rekonq write some)
[20:30] <merlin1991> but the window simply closes
[20:30] <merlin1991> looks like the regular sigsev to me
[20:30] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: no try to run it from terminal
[20:30] <phoenix_firebrd> merlin1991: you can also try disabling plugins
[20:35] <TheTaLlesT> my audio card can use 2 input sources at the same time. front mic and line in for example this shows up just fine in alsa but in pulse i can only select one. i assume this is because of the profile. I am useing  'Analog Surround 5.1 Output + Analog Stereo Input'. can i add another profile?
[20:40] <Num83rGuy_> Oh boy, I just realized I have no sound. alsamixer is showing my sound card (Audigy 2 platinum) as does the phonon ksm. But phonon has the card grayed out.
[20:40] <BluesKaj> TheTaLlesT, I believe you can setup more profile if you have pavucontrol installed .. not real sure since I only use pulse because have to for webaudio content to play
[20:41] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, that's pci card right ?
[20:41] <Num83rGuy_> Yes.
[20:42] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, did you set it as the default in the bios ?
[20:42] <andycc> OK, asking again: does anyone have any idea why my mouse cursor disappears when I don't move it?
[20:43] <Num83rGuy_> It should be. I upgraded (fresh install using old home) from 11.04 last night. It worked in 11.04.
[20:44] <Num83rGuy_> The cursor hideing is annoying to me too.
[20:45] <mweijts> i have a problem with Kopete on WLM, I have 2 accounts<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>witch is working fine but the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>account is always connecting, i reinstalled kopete, cleared all config files but problem is stilthere
[20:45] <andycc> Okay, now my touchpad is dead. And there is no cursor at all.
[20:46] <Num83rGuy_> andycc: The package that does that is called unclutter.
[20:46] <andycc> Ah, indeed, I just killall-ed it and I can see the cursor now.
[20:46] <andycc> Thanks for that.
[20:47] <Num83rGuy_> I usually uninstall it
[20:54] <Num83rGuy_> I am going to have to install more pulse stuff aren't I? I hate pulse.
[20:54] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, look for the chip in alsmixer  , lsmod | grep snd , that  module should be your Card 0 (default) or  index=0 in alsabase.conf
[20:54] <BluesKaj> yeah, pulseaudio is a dirty fix IMO , I'm not happy with it but i need it for flash and other audio content on the web
[20:55] <BluesKaj> alsa is supposed to link to flash on webaudio content ...it used to work with my onboard , but it doesn't with the m-audio
[20:56] <Num83rGuy_> I don't see any thing that looks like my sound card in the out put of  lsmod | grep snd
[20:57] <Num83rGuy_> Yet alsamixer sees it.
[20:59] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, so the chip listed in alsamixer doesn't show up in lsmod ?
[21:00] <Num83rGuy_> I beleve yes.
[21:00] <BluesKaj> make sure
[21:00] <Num83rGuy_> OK
[21:01] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: it probsbly should me ca0106 or emu10k
[21:01] <Num83rGuy_> alsa mixer says the chip is SigmaTel STAC9721,23
[21:02] <Num83rGuy_> lasmod does not have that but does have emu10k
[21:03] <Num83rGuy_> Actually emu10k1
[21:03] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: thats your card
[21:03] <andycc> Ah, a Sigmatel. Aren't those "supported" by the standard hda-intel driver?
[21:03] <andycc> (or whatever it's called)
[21:04] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: have you disabled the onboard audio?
[21:04] <Num83rGuy_> OK, phonon has it grayed out.
[21:04] <Num83rGuy_> Yes.
[21:04] <Num83rGuy_> ac97 disabled in BIOS.
[21:04] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, try this  sudo lshw -C multimedia
[21:06] <Num83rGuy_> here is the output http://paste.kde.org/142382/
[21:08] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, ok what does this show ..there may be a conflict , cat /proc/asound/modules
[21:10] <Num83rGuy_>  0 snd_emu10k1
[21:10] <Num83rGuy_>  1 snd_usb_audio
[21:10] <Num83rGuy_> The second is a USB web cam with mic.
[21:13] <Num83rGuy_> I unplugged it and phonon wants to know if I want it permanently forgotten. Will it work if I plug it in later?
[21:13] <Num83rGuy_> If I say yes.
[21:13] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: it should
[21:13] <Num83rGuy_> OK
[21:15] <Num83rGuy_> Now the USB mic is gon but the soundcard is still gray.
[21:17] <BluesKaj> wish i knew more about audigy soundcards ...wonder what the module /driver name is ..does anyone know ?
[21:17] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy_: can you purge and reinstall pulseaudio?
[21:17] <adarshajoisa> is there any way to make a widget visible above active windows?
[21:18] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i am sure its emu10k1 chip
[21:20] <Num83rGuy_> Me too. Running pactl tels me that the default sink is auto_null I will try to set the sink to something meaningful before I go nuclear and purge.
[21:21] <Num83rGuy_> Thanks.
[21:23] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yeah i just ssh'd into my other pc which has an audigy which uses that driver altho it's not the default
[21:25] <Num83rGuy_> I am installing pulse control I think I had to do this last time. And then kick it a few times.
[21:26] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, try this , sudo modprobe snd-emu10k1
[21:26] <Num83rGuy_> No output.
[21:28] <BluesKaj> good
[21:28] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj:  I am having a alsa asoundrc file that works for web too, i was using it. If you are interested i can paste it here
[21:28] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, are you using pulseaudio as well ?
[21:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: ya
[21:29] <Num83rGuy_> If I could get rid of pulse that would be great.
[21:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: pulseaudio without the alsa configuration file
[21:30] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, nm ..If I could dump pulse I would
[21:30] <BluesKaj> I have an ,asoundrc file set up
[21:30] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: shall i paste the config here
[21:30] <BluesKaj> paste your file , phoenix_firebrd I'll check it out
[21:30] <BluesKaj> in pastebin
[21:31] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/142388/
[21:32] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i have added a  lowpass filter to it, if you dont wont remove it
[21:32] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: *want
[21:33] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: only one application can use the soundcard at once
[21:35] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, open this file ,/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , and find this line : '# Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0' , paste this line directly under it , options  snd-emu10k1 index=0
[21:37] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, where did you get that .asoundrc file ...that looks to me like an analog output setup ...I use spdif/pcm only
[21:38] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: oh, i did a research and created my own, yes its for analog, you can use to make your own
[21:39] <Num83rGuy_> OK I did that. also this was in that file http://paste.kde.org/142394/
[21:44] <BluesKaj> this is mine phoenix_firebrd , http://paste.ubuntu.com/728575/ , simple but effective
[21:45] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i guess your sound card supports hardware mixer
[21:45] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, ok , try a reboot , then we'll see what happens with phonon and pulse
[21:45] <Num83rGuy_> oK in a bit.
[21:46] <BluesKaj> Num83rGuy_, those lines you pasted are common strings in the conf file afaikt
[21:48] <calcmandan_phone> Can someone please pastebin their apt.sources file for 11.10?
[21:48] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, yes the m-audio card has several opyional devices it can connect to
[21:49] <BluesKaj> calcmandan_phone, are you upgrading your OS ?
[21:50] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: mine is creative soundblaster , which is based on ca0106 chip and it doesnt contain a hardware mixer
[21:52] <calcmandan_phone> Blueskai: I will be but I want to make sure I get all the repos after the transition. The live boot has only one source
[21:52] <andycc> Why Kubuntu just spontaneously shut down, I will never know. ...
[21:52] <andycc> (This isn't common, is it?)
[21:52] <calcmandan_phone> Your cpu overheated?
[21:54] <phoenix_firebrd> andycc: what do you mean by shutdown ? halt or clean shutdown?
[21:54] <pietz> does anyone know when KDE 4.7.3 is gonna packaged?
[21:54] <phoenix_firebrd> pietz: it is being packaged
[21:54] <pietz> ok, next question *g* when is it available :-D
[21:55] <phoenix_firebrd> pietz: check this page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[21:55] <pietz> i was there
[21:55] <pietz> i donÄt know how to read this site
[21:55] <pietz> there is no legend how to read it
[21:55] <pietz> sorry :)
[21:56] <pietz> is there a description page how to extract the information from this site?
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> pietz: check at the end of the page there is something called "PPA Testing KDE 4.7.3 Oneiric", if it shows success, then kde 4.7.3 will be available in backports
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel_: are in uds
[21:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel_: are you in uds
[22:01] <playuh_jd> anyone used DD before to make a HD clone??
[22:01] <Torch> playuh_jd: not an uncommon thing to do
[22:01] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[22:02] <playuh_jd> Torch: My first time...
[22:02] <playuh_jd> After the cloning process, my new HD won't boot.. =[
[22:02] <playuh_jd> i need help
[22:03] <Torch> playuh_jd: we will probably need more details, like what's the source and target disk, how's the partition layout, what happens exactly now...
[22:04] <playuh_jd> source disk is /dev/sda target is /dev/sdb. I have approximately 5 partitions on source disk which I would like replicated to target disk...
[22:04] <pietz> member:phoenix_firebrd thanks, but a more self-describing website would help millions of people to understand the site :-)
[22:04] <pietz> thanks anyways. bye
[22:05] <playuh_jd> It seems that all the files transfered but the disk wont boot. I manually created the partitions on target disk before transferring each partition 1 by 1 from source to target
[22:05] <Torch> playuh_jd: that's not how this is normally done... either you copy the whole disk or you copy partitions.
[22:05] <playuh_jd> i was wondering if DD could actually create the partitions on the target disk for me if i just ran a simple command asking it to replicate source to target
[22:06] <playuh_jd> i wont to copy the whole disk at once
[22:06] <playuh_jd> and have the target replicate the same partitions, is that possible?
[22:06] <Torch> playuh_jd: dd copies data from source to target. it knows nothing of partitions, but it does not have to in this case.
[22:07] <Torch> playuh_jd: what we're seeing as partitions is part of the master boot record at the start of the disk (primaries, at least). so if you copy all information from sda to sdb, this will just be copied as well
[22:07] <playuh_jd> okay
[22:07] <Torch> playuh_jd: if you create partitions and copy sda1 to sdb1, sda2 to sdb2 and so on that _should_ work, but may have some side effects and the chance of mistakes is larger
[22:07] <playuh_jd> so i should be able to just copy the and clone the whole disk, and the partitions should remain intact...
[22:08] <playuh_jd> i see
[22:08] <Torch> playuh_jd: also, you'll have to re-create the boot strap code in the mbr
[22:08] <playuh_jd> so i'll reformat my sdb drive, and try again
[22:08] <Torch> playuh_jd: no formatting required
[22:08] <playuh_jd> that will work it?
[22:08] <playuh_jd> just start the process again
[22:08] <Torch> playuh_jd: boot from a CD, don't do this while anything is mounted
[22:08] <playuh_jd> sda to sdb...
[22:08] <Torch> playuh_jd: and use dd to copy sda to sdb
[22:08] <playuh_jd> Torch, i wont...
[22:08] <playuh_jd> ok
[22:08] <playuh_jd> sounds fantastic
[22:08] <playuh_jd> thanks!
[22:08] <playuh_jd> lets give it a try...
[22:09] <Torch> playuh_jd: make sure to not boot the system with both disks attached once you're done
[22:09] <Torch> playuh_jd: you're probably mounting per UUID in your fstab and this will not work if you have cloned partitions
[22:10] <playuh_jd> okay, i will remove source drive after its done...
[22:10] <playuh_jd> i hope this works!
[22:11] <playuh_jd> they're quite large drives
[22:11] <SIR_Taco> that's what she said
[22:11] <Torch> playuh_jd: read the man page of dd to find out how to make it print how far it is.
[22:11] <playuh_jd> i've found out...
[22:12] <Torch> playuh_jd: you need to send it a signal, it's not hard, but be careful not to kill it
[22:12] <Torch> playuh_jd: great
[22:12] <playuh_jd> so
[22:12] <playuh_jd> even the blank bytes will be copied, isn't that right?
[22:12] <playuh_jd> these are 1 terabyte drives, but only about 400gig are full
[22:12] <Torch> playuh_jd: yes. this method will take a lot longer than copying filesystems with appropriate tools
[22:12] <playuh_jd> ok
[22:13] <Torch> playuh_jd: if you re-create the partition layout, create the file systems and copy just the files, it will be much faster
[22:13] <Torch> playuh_jd: also, cleaner. and this will magically defragment your filesystems in the process.
[22:13] <playuh_jd> i tried that yesterday, but i couldnt get the partitions perfefct
[22:13] <Torch> playuh_jd: is windows vista/7 involved?
[22:13] <playuh_jd> there is one windows partitions
[22:14] <playuh_jd> partition*
[22:14] <Torch> playuh_jd: xp or vista/7?
[22:14] <playuh_jd> so i dont even need to format the target drive?
[22:14] <playuh_jd> i guess that makes sense, because everything will be overwritten
[22:14] <Torch> playuh_jd: there's no such thing as formatting a hard disk, it's a myth.
[22:15] <Torch> playuh_jd: you can create and delete partitions and file systems.
[22:15] <playuh_jd> i see
[22:15] <Torch> playuh_jd: but if you overwrite the master boot record, all information about partitions will be overwritten anyway
[22:15] <Torch> (i'm simplifiying, but i'm sure you get the picture here ,-))
[22:16] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: nope, the planning didn't work out for that :/
[22:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: bad
[22:18] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Jonathan Riddell has said that there will be a tutorial for packaging, did you decide it?
[22:18] <Num83rGuy_> OK I did that. also this was in that file http://paste.kde.org/142394/
[22:18] <yofel> nope, that was his idea (and we're off topic in here)
[22:19] <Num83rGuy_> OK, phonon has it grayed out.
[22:19] <Num83rGuy_> fuck\
[22:20] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy_: you can't seriously be having problems with EMU10K1... that driver has been around for well over a decade
[22:20] <Num83rGuy_> I am sorry one of children typed that.
[22:21] <Torch> Num83rGuy_: your children know about phonon and pastebin?
[22:21] <Num83rGuy_> I meant the obscenity
[22:22] <Num83rGuy_> Let me reboot.
[22:22] <Num83rGuy_> BRB
[22:23] <playuh_jd> Torch: Thanks for you help.. THe process is underway!
[22:23] <Torch> playuh_jd: good luck ;-)
[22:24] <playuh_jd> Torch: I'll let you know in 3 hours... lol
[22:24] <playuh_jd> should take 3 hours to copy 1000 gigs
[22:53] <Num83rGuy> I still don't have sound.:(
[22:55] <Num83rGuy> Pulse refuses to use my sound card.
[22:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: did you try purging and reinstalling pulseaudio?
[22:55] <Num83rGuy> ah no not yet let me do that and I'll be back.
[22:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: ok
[23:01] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: from your pastebin you have 2 soundcards... one is on board via82xx, other is a PCI card emu10k1... which do you use?
[23:02] <SIR_Taco> emu10k1 = Creative Sound Blaster Live
[23:03] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: emu10k1 is audigy , live is ca0106
[23:05] <SIR_Taco> phoenix_firebrd: EMU10K1 has always been Live based cards... maybe that changed, I haven't had one in about a decade... either way, doesn't change the fact that Num83rGuy has 2 sound cards present
[23:06] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: ya
[23:08] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: from your pastebin you have 2 soundcards... one is on board via82xx, other is a PCI card emu10k1... which do you use?
[23:11] <Num83rGuy> Hmm I thought the built in ac97 was disabled in BIOS.  And I realy don't think the ac97 on my MB is via based. I have used the Audgy for close to a year.
[23:14] <Num83rGuy> Yeah the on board audio is realtek not sure if the via driver is the one for that but.
[23:15] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: ok... but which are you using? If you're not using the on-board then disabling it in the BIOS is the easy solution
[23:16] <Num83rGuy> It should be disabled now but, I will check. BRB.
[23:23] <Num83rGuy> It was disabled. On a whim I grabbed a pair of my daughters headphones and plugged them in to the Audigy's headphone jack on it's front panel and got sound.
[23:23] <Num83rGuy> That's with pulse removed.
[23:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: did you purge it?
[23:24] <Num83rGuy> Yes sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio.
[23:24] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: can you try installing it
[23:24] <Num83rGuy> I still haven't reinstalled it.
[23:24] <Num83rGuy> OK
[23:27] <Num83rGuy> OK after reinstall the only audio device in phonon is Pulse Audio Sound Server. I hit the test button and got no sound.
[23:29] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: run alsamixer in terminal
[23:29] <Num83rGuy> I will now reboot (again) and see if it is better.
[23:30] <Num83rGuy> OK
[23:30] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: ok reboot
[23:30] <Num83rGuy> Wait I just got dinged.
[23:30] <Num83rGuy> I have sound in the head phones at least.
[23:31] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: restart
[23:31] <Num83rGuy> OK
[23:32] <SIR_Taco> my guess is that Phonon is set to Digital (as default) and not analogue
[23:32] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: may be
[23:34] <SIR_Taco> phoenix_firebrd: however, get him to do an lsmod for audio... I'll be that the onboard driver is still there and working
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: i think he already blacklisted it
[23:35] <SIR_Taco> never hurts to try :)
[23:35] <phoenix_firebrd> SIR_Taco: ok
[23:35] <Num83rGuy> No sound at all
[23:36] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: check and increase the volumes using alsamixer in terminal
[23:36] <Num83rGuy> That was the first thing I did. Thet are all good.
[23:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: i got it
[23:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: you have 5.1 right?
[23:38] <Num83rGuy> Nope just stereo.
[23:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: you said it was a create soundblaster 5.1?
[23:38] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: you said it was a creative soundblaster 5.1?
[23:39] <Num83rGuy> Yes an Audgy 2 platinum. With 2.0 speakers.
[23:39] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: so your headphone is connected to the green jack?
[23:41] <Num83rGuy> The sound card has a drive bay panel with lots of other connections one of which is headphones.
[23:41] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: is that in green color?
[23:41] <Num83rGuy> And after reboot that no longer gives sound.
[23:42] <SIR_Taco> has one of those: http://ask.creative.com/wwimages/general/product_guides/Audigy_PLT_drive.jpg
[23:42] <joao> nossa
[23:42] <Num83rGuy> Nope gold/copper there is no color coding on the front.
[23:42] <Num83rGuy> Just icons.
[23:43] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy:can you check in all jacks
[23:44] <Num83rGuy> SIR_Taco: that's the one sept mine's black.
[23:45] <Num83rGuy> Starting some net raido to test jacks
[23:46] <SIR_Taco> Num83rGuy: the problem only occurs with the bay jacks (the ones on the front of the computer)? or on the card jacks too(the one's paralell with the floor on the back of the computer)?
[23:47] <Num83rGuy> Well all jacks are dead now.  Where as with pulse removed at least the front panel headphone jack worked.
[23:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: ok can you try some thing
[23:48] <Num83rGuy> Shoot...
[23:48] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy:  sudo kate /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[23:49] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: opened?
[23:50] <Num83rGuy> yes
[23:50] <Num83rGuy> kdesudo :)
[23:50] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: can you find this line '; enable-remixing = yes'
[23:50] <Privacy> hi!
[23:50] <SIR_Taco> hi Privacy... who are you?
[23:51] <SIR_Taco> so much for Privacy ; )
[23:51] <Num83rGuy> Found it.
[23:51] <Mooqi> I dont think you know me. I just started using ubuntu at work and got a question^^
[23:51] <Num83rGuy> LOL
[23:51] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: remove the ; from the line and save it
[23:52] <Num83rGuy> OK done.
[23:53] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: kill the process pulseaudio one, it will start again automatically
[23:53] <Mooqi> i am using a notebook with a second flatscreen to extend my desktop. the problem is, that my flatscreens resolution is "higher" so my laptops desktop gets cut off at the top. so everytime i save a file on the desktop it gets put as far top as possible in an area that is not visible
[23:54] <Mooqi> i hope you can understand what i am trying to describe
[23:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy:  done?
[23:55] <Num83rGuy> phoenix_firebrd: OK
[23:55] <Num83rGuy> yes
[23:55] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: check for sound
[23:55] <SIR_Taco> Mooqi: yes, I understand what you're saying
[23:56] <SIR_Taco> Mooqi: what video card does your notebook have?
[23:57] <Mooqi> SIR_Taco: I am sorry, I can't tell you right now, since I am at home. if this information is necessary i will find out tomorrow and come back then
[23:57] <Num83rGuy> phoenix_firebrd: OK now I'm confounded. Quassel dinged me but the test button in the phonon kml does not work nor does Chromium sound
[23:58] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: did you upgrade from 11.04?
[23:58] <Num83rGuy> No fresh install with old /home
[23:59] <phoenix_firebrd> Num83rGuy: have vlc?
[23:59] <Num83rGuy> Not yet ;)


[00:41] <jono> AlanBell, do you have access to ubuntu-news?
[00:41] <pleia2> jono: you're welcome to join #ubuntu-news and ask when you need something posted, we don't bite :)
[00:42] <jono> pleia2, aha!
[00:44] <Pici> yes they do.
[00:44] <jcastro> jono: the footer is wrong
[00:44] <jcastro> you seem to have added a seperate footer instead of using the existing one
[00:47] <jono> jcastro, yeah the main one is not editable in WP
[00:47] <jono> they will need to hack the theme
[00:47] <jono> I will do that when the diversity page is complete
[00:47] <jcastro> I thought I saw it the other day
[00:47] <jono> and file an RT
[00:47]  * jcastro digs
[00:49] <jcastro> found it
[00:49] <jcastro> jono: Appearance -> Thematic Options
[00:51] <jono> jcastro, yeah but try and edit it ;-)
[00:51] <jono> it requires system level access
[00:52] <jcastro> oh
[00:52]  * jcastro whistles
[00:52] <jono> :-)
[01:27] <JanC> jono: the developer tests you want to do (with e.g. akk, as you asked in #ubuntu-women), can they be done by other people somehow?  (you know I'm asking because of FOSDEM ;) )
[02:03] <pleia2> jono: I have another name for you! jack deslip (jdeslip - he's online now in #ubuntu-us-ca) over in berkeley, he did a talk on pygtk/Quickly at code camp last year and he's even free on tuesday during the day :)
[02:03] <pleia2> err, Jack Deslipppe :)
[02:03] <pleia2> he-p
[02:03] <pleia2> -p
[02:04] <pleia2> his name is hard
[02:04] <pleia2> anyway, he's the berkeleylug leader too
[02:22] <paultag> jcastro: thanks for the loven, dude
[02:22]  * paultag mutters
[02:22] <jcastro> I am resisting just laughing at you. :)
[02:22] <paultag> jcastro: dude, I'm *so* trashing your next post
[02:22] <paultag> :P
[02:23] <jcastro> after reading that I get the feeling I can sell you the brooklyn bridge
[02:23]  * pleia2 chuckles
[02:24] <paultag> jcastro: dude, you're the first one to make fun of freetards and use twitter because it works better
[02:24] <paultag> jcastro: suck it :)
[02:24] <jcastro> yeah but I won't complain if twitter goes away
[02:24] <jcastro> you knew the limitations and still bought it
[02:24] <jcastro> that's called buyer's remorse
[02:24] <paultag> naw, it's called a shitty decision
[02:24] <jcastro> must. resist. ohio. joke ...
[02:25] <paultag> hahahaha
[02:25] <paultag> So... who wants to buy me an android tablet?
[02:27] <paultag> bueller?
[02:27] <paultag> bueller?
[02:27] <pleia2> derp
[02:27] <paultag> :)
[07:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <duanedesign> good morning dholbach
[08:14] <dholbach> hi duanedesign
[08:32] <nigelb> morning folks
[08:35] <dpm> hey dholbach, hey duanedesign, nigelb
[08:45] <duanedesign> howdy nigelb dpm
[08:46] <duanedesign> we are getting hammered by a winter storm here. Supposed to be the worst in over 10 years
[08:48] <nigelb> hola dpm, duanedesign :)
[10:23] <popey> dholbach: seen we've had plenty of loco responses now
[10:23] <dholbach> popey, on the contacts list?
[10:27] <popey> yeah
[10:27] <dholbach> yeah, a good start
[10:27] <dholbach> like 25 of 180 :-P
[10:27] <popey> heh
[10:27] <popey> good luck getting the other 180
[10:27] <popey> -25
[10:27] <popey> :)
[10:28] <dholbach> yeah, no worries
[10:29] <dholbach> it just shows that there's a huge diversity how teams are governed and that's fine - AFAICS most teams said that they have the same level of activity or more and that makes me happy :)
[10:30] <popey> :)
[10:39] <Pendulum> oh look, it's Tuesday therefore it's snowing... again :-/
[10:52] <czajkowski> yup a big thing is how varied teams operate
[10:52] <czajkowski> rather interesting to see how it's done
[11:53] <duanedesign> Pendulum: yeah it is coming down here (snow)
[11:54] <Pendulum> duanedesign: we've gotten hit either tuesday or wednesday every week this year, I think
[11:55] <nigelb> snow tuesday? :P
[11:55] <Pendulum> practically
[11:55] <nigelb> heh
[11:55] <Pendulum> last week it was a Wednesday night so a little different (schools were still closed Thursday, though)
[11:56] <Pendulum> and we've had several Friday or Saturday snows as well
[11:59] <Pendulum> the real problem though is that it's not melting in between so roofs are collapsing
[12:04] <duanedesign> oh no
[12:04] <nigelb> You folks should talk to hypatia and gpc
[12:04] <nigelb> pretty sure they've faced this before :p
[12:05] <duanedesign> New Natty kernel is not working well for me (wiFi)
[12:08] <Pendulum> nigelb: it's people who have houses or buildings with flat roofs. A lot of my friends are actualy going up on their roofs to knock the snow down. People in areas where they get 3ft of snow every year tend to not build with flat roofs ;)
[12:08] <Pendulum> we can generally cope with a fair amount of snow, but this is now the worst winter in my memory
[12:09] <Pendulum> (I'm just glad that our roof is not flat because I have no way of knocking snow off!)
[12:10] <nigelb> Pendulum: heh, now you get to brag!
[12:10] <nigelb> 'Remember that snow storm of 2011? It feels like decades ago!'
[12:10] <Pendulum> haha
[12:10] <Pendulum> part of the problem is that it's not just one storm and there's not enough time to clear everything
[12:10] <nigelb> 'and the snow was so bad, my friends had to get on the roof and knock it off!'
[12:10] <Pendulum> :)
[12:11] <Pendulum> I did ring a mate a couple days ago and he was like, one sec, I'm just getting off the roof
[12:11] <nigelb> hehe
[12:11] <nigelb> Taking a phone while clearing ice off the roof is extremely hazardous I'd think
[12:12] <nigelb> *talking on
[12:12] <Pendulum> I would think so too
[12:12] <Pendulum> I mean, I understand bringing it up with him that way he has it in case of emergency
[12:12] <Pendulum> but I"m not sure I'd have answered it if I were him (unless it was hands free, which is possible)
[12:13] <nigelb> :)
[12:13] <duanedesign> Pendulum: where abouts are you?
[12:13]  * duanedesign has a hard time remembering where everyone is from :P
[12:13] <Pendulum> duanedesign: northern Connecticut
[12:14] <nigelb> duanedesign: aren't you from OK?
[12:14] <nigelb> I generally have a broad idea where everyone is from at least for time zone
[12:15] <duanedesign> nigelb: yes. Tulsa, OK
[12:16] <duanedesign> yeeehaw
[12:16] <duanedesign> Pendulum: so you are right between Boston and New York
[12:17] <Pendulum> yep
[12:17] <Pendulum> pretty much exactly as the crow flies
[12:17] <Pendulum> (which means it takes 45 minutes longer to get into NYC than it does to get to Boston if you drive ;) )
[12:18]  * duanedesign nods
[12:18] <nigelb> Did anyone hear what Al Jazeera did about their videos lately?
[12:20] <nigelb> Since most american networks wouldn't carry it they just licensed the content as creative commons license.  Brilliant!
[12:32] <duanedesign> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/some-weekend-work-that-will-hopefully.html
[12:32] <nigelb> I read that, brilliant again
[12:32] <nigelb> *and* there are people doing live translation of that audio into english text
[12:38] <duanedesign> nigelb: http://cc.aljazeera.net/
[12:39] <nigelb> duanedesign: that's what I was talking about with creative commons :)
[12:39] <duanedesign> nigelb: pretty neat
[12:40] <daker> http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/1/31/14/enhanced-buzz-18816-1296503523-35.jpg <=Awesome (Geek)
[12:44] <AlanBell> clever
[12:45] <AlanBell> curious sign in the background - now open in your pants
[13:11] <nigelb> daker: hahah
[13:13] <daker> LoL
[15:42] <jono> hey all
[15:42] <cjohnston> mornin jono
[15:42] <jono> hey cjohnston
[15:42] <Pici> Howdy
[15:43] <jono> hey Pici
[15:45] <Pendulum> hiya jono
[15:45] <nigelb> o/
[15:47] <jono> hey Pendulum, nigelb :-)
[15:51] <nigelb> AlanBell: around?
[15:56] <duanedesign> 'lo jono. read about your school giving you an award or some form of recognition. that is great.
[15:56] <jono> thanks duanedesign :-)
[15:56] <jono> I was pretty stoked when I read it
[15:59] <jono> dpm, call?
[15:59] <dpm> jono, yep
[15:59] <dpm> mumble, skype?
[15:59] <jono> lets do skype
[15:59] <dpm> ok
[16:00]  * jcastro mumbles to himself
[16:00] <cjohnston> heh
[16:04] <dholbach> hey jono
[16:07] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:08] <AlanBell> nigelb: sure
[16:08] <nigelb> AlanBell: got time for a PM? :)
[16:08] <AlanBell> any time
[16:20] <Pici> !info vrms
[16:23] <Pici> Just testing the bot, which seems to be failing :/
[16:40] <jono> dholbach, I am free now, you want to start early?
[16:40] <dholbach> jono, do you think you can give me 5 min?
[16:41] <jono> dholbach, sure!
[16:41] <dholbach> super
[17:12] <mhall119> jcastro: what's up?
[17:13] <nigelb> mhall119: I think he just wants you around when he curses summit
[17:13] <jcastro> oh hey, I should have docs and an example Place on Monday-ish
[17:13] <jcastro> actually, probably Tuesdayish
[17:15] <mhall119> Place as in Unity Place?
[17:41] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day - see you all tomorrow
[17:47] <jono> pleia2, what is Jack's nick on IRC again?
[17:47] <pleia2> jono: jdeslip
[17:48] <jono> pleia2, #ubuntu-california is invite only?
[17:48] <pleia2> jono: that's because it forwards to #ubuntu-us-ca, which you're already in
[17:48] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, Unity Place
[17:48] <nigelb> us-ca?
[17:48] <jono> pleia2, ahh!
[17:49] <jcastro> mhall119: so I had an idea for one
[17:49] <nigelb> darn, lyz is faster
[17:49] <jcastro> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Places/Ideas
[17:49] <jcastro> there are some others
[17:49] <jcastro> but directly related to what you work on
[17:49] <jcastro> we could do like a "LoCo Place"
[17:49] <jcastro> that connects to the loco directory
[17:50] <nigelb> \o/
[17:50] <jcastro> so you just type "ubuntu hour" and it returns all the ubuntu hours coming up
[17:50] <nigelb> that sounds like fun
[17:50] <jcastro> or "ohio" and it returns the page for that loco, etc.
[17:51] <nigelb> jcastro: is there documentation on how to build that?
[17:51] <jcastro> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Places/
[17:51] <jcastro> but it's out of date, the guys will have it updated early next week though
[17:51] <jcastro> once they get A2 out the door
[17:52] <jcastro> it should be easy for people to just make all sorts of little web places
[17:52] <jcastro> the example one is a youtube place
[17:52] <nigelb> I could help with this :)
[17:53] <jcastro> check out the Ideas page
[17:53] <jcastro> so basically, you search for things
[17:53] <jcastro> and it returns a thumbnail and text
[17:53] <jcastro> so an amazon place would be like so
[17:53] <nigelb> so, we'd need to expose an api for LD
[17:53] <jcastro> you hit super, type in "girl who kicked hornet..."
[17:53] <nigelb> and query that api from unity and display the results
[17:53] <jcastro> and then the dash populates with books from amazon
[17:54] <jcastro> when you click on the book icon, it just opens a tab in the browser for you to that place
[17:54] <nigelb> a lot of the underlying work would be done by unity?
[17:54] <jcastro> libunity does it all
[17:54] <nigelb> can you poke me when you have an updated documentation?
[17:54] <jcastro> and there's zeitgeist in there somewhere
[17:54] <jcastro> oh I will. :)
[17:54] <nigelb> I'd love to work on this from the LD end and from the unity end
[17:55] <jcastro> I am just telling you now so you can get your head chugging
[17:55] <jcastro> and also, any ideas for Places people want here would be awesome: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Places/Ideas
[17:56] <nigelb> wow, a lot of them are interesting
[17:56] <nigelb> ask Ubuntu one for instance
[17:56] <jcastro> those are just Seif and me's ideas
[17:56] <jcastro> I need more brains thinking crazier stuff
[17:56] <nigelb> jcastro: google calender
[17:56] <jcastro> yeah, the  problem is
[17:57] <jcastro> for natty they're very simple
[17:57] <jcastro> icons and text
[17:57] <jcastro> yes, I too had dreams of an awesome calendar overlay
[17:57] <jcastro> "Red Wings Place", etc.
[17:57] <nigelb> it would be so cool to have our calender and meeting displayed from unity synced with gcal
[17:57] <jcastro> right, but that's so N+1,+2,+3, etc.
[17:58] <nigelb> Ah, but still
[17:58] <nigelb> when we do get there, it would rock :D
[17:59] <nigelb> mhall119: we don't expose an api for LD, do we?
[17:59] <jcastro> also
[17:59] <jcastro> it might be worth doing an easy one for a service that has an API first
[17:59] <jcastro> so like amazon or netflix or something
[17:59] <nigelb> yeah, I'm drooling at the amazon one
[17:59] <nigelb> let the docs get updated and I want to try and get to it
[18:07] <AlanBell> it all seems very consumer oriented
[18:10] <mhall119> nigelb: LD has an API, yes
[18:11] <nigelb> mhall119: ooooh
[18:11]  * nigelb looks for it
[18:11] <mhall119> nigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/API
[18:12] <mhall119> the docs may be a little out dates
[18:12] <mhall119> and LD 0.3.0 will include services for meetings and agenda items too
[18:13] <nigelb> mhall119: Neat!
[18:13] <nigelb> dont mind the docs, I can RTFS :)
[18:14] <mhall119> nigelb: there's also https://launchpad.net/loco-directory-clients
[18:14] <mhall119> some preliminary client-side libraries for it
[18:14] <mhall119> and docs https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoDirectory/API/Clients
[18:15] <nigelb> \o/
[18:16] <AlanBell> jono: re ubuntu-news, nothing to do with me
[18:16] <jono> AlanBell, np
[18:18] <AlanBell> ubuntu-for-all which has been mentioned a few times recently is on my list of things I need to start up
[18:22] <jono> czajkowski, howdy!
[18:22] <jono> what is the current status of "set up a frontdesk for loco + developer interaction" ?
[18:23]  * jono follows up on burndown
[18:23] <jono> duanedesign, could you take a look at your two items on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-community.html and I will respect you forever :-)
[18:27] <duanedesign> jono: good idea. I sure will
[18:27] <jono> duanedesign, thanks, pal!
[18:28] <jono> nigelb, what is the status of "write script that shows which loco team members of ~ubuntu-dev, ~ubuntu-bugcontrol are part of"
[18:29] <nigelb> jono: incidentally, im workin on that right now
[18:29] <nigelb> should be ready by weekend
[18:29] <jono> nigelb, awesome!
[19:21] <jcastro> hey jono
[19:21] <jcastro> hey jono
[19:21]  * jcastro makes explosion sounds
[19:22] <jcastro> ONE MORE DONE.
[19:23] <jono> jcastro, nice :-)
[19:23]  * jcastro takes 10
[19:23] <jcastro> this report was brutal today, lots of turnover on bitesizers
[19:23] <jcastro> (a good thing)
[19:27] <czajkowski> jono: stil working on it. hope to have some movement on it in next two weeks
[19:28] <jono> thanks czajkowski!
[19:29] <czajkowski> jono: np
[19:40] <mhall119> jcastro: I need VirtualBox 4 to run Unity, right?
[19:41] <jcastro> yeah
[19:42]  * mhall119 downloads
[19:42] <jcastro> I don't recommend anything today, X transition, unity session issues, etc.
[19:42] <jcastro> it's not a good day to die </worf>
[19:42] <jcastro> DL it but zsync it like tomorrow or thursday
[19:42] <paultag> k'plah
[19:42]  * daker is using Unity-2D
[19:42]  * czajkowski bangs her head on the table over mpt and launchpad discussions today
[19:42] <czajkowski> sigh
[19:43] <jcastro> czajkowski: ooh link!
[19:43] <paultag> czajkowski: don't even send a single email, missy
[19:43] <paultag> czajkowski: I've avoided this like the goddamn plauge
[19:43] <jcastro> daker: yeah I need to do that, I'm in some sort of half broken metacity hell right now
[19:43] <czajkowski> https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-users/msg06214.html
[19:43] <czajkowski> how to make me peed off in one tick
[19:43] <czajkowski> sigh
[19:43] <czajkowski> paultag: change nick to crankytab
[19:43] <jcastro> oh
[19:44] <jcastro> that's not as drama as I was hoping
[19:45] <paultag> czajkowski: not yet
[19:45] <paultag> czajkowski: if I wrote an email back, you'd know haw bad that'd get
[19:46] <czajkowski> kinda frustating as Curtis and Mat both understod the change they made on LP was effecting us, not upsetting us >:(
[19:46] <AlanBell> what was the point of the change in the first place?
[19:46] <paultag> czajkowski: trust me, I have a whole rant ready in my head if they push me  out too far
[19:46] <paultag> czajkowski: and it's not nice
[19:46] <czajkowski> paultag: before you rant pm me ok :)
[19:47] <czajkowski> you and crankyness tends not to go down well
[19:47] <AlanBell> if you manage a team with assets and you don't want open teams to have access to it, then don't add open teams
[19:47] <czajkowski> paultag: let me remind you of the reply to digest mail I had to fix
[19:47] <paultag> oh yeah, I forgot about taht
[19:47] <paultag> that was fun
[19:47] <czajkowski> so no getting cranky as I'm away for the next days and cant smooth things over my dear ok :)
[19:47] <paultag> czajkowski: deal :)
[19:52] <daker> anyone can give the instructions to upgrade using an iso (without burning it) ?
[20:02] <jcastro> Pici: pleia2: I am confused: http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/02/01/new-irc-council-members/
[20:02] <jcastro> It's not obvious to me who is on the council, is it just the people in the lp team?
[20:03] <pleia2> jcastro: yes, Pici's term runs out in 10 days
[20:03] <jcastro> oh I see
[20:03] <jcastro> Pici: nice long run dude, are you having a party?
[20:03] <pleia2> I would, that's a stressful council to be on, freedom! ;)
[20:08] <topyli> meh, lunchtime sudoku substitute!
[20:11] <topyli> i was going to add a smiley, but it was becoming too complex
[20:38] <jono> jcastro, facebooking your post
[20:38] <jono> good work
[20:39] <jcastro> cando just had a brilliant idea, i feel stupid for not doing it in the first place
[20:39] <jcastro> http://launchpad.net/~unity-bitesizers
[21:04] <mhall119> jcastro: is there a python library for Unity?
[21:04] <mhall119> or do I have to use straight DBus?
[21:04] <jcastro> dbus
[21:04] <mhall119> :(
[21:04] <jcastro> afaik so far
[21:04] <jcastro> I can get you an answer on that tomorrow
[21:04] <mhall119> I'd appreciate it, otherwise I'll end up writing one, and it'd be a shame to duplicate effort
[21:05] <mhall119> I won't be starting on anything until Alpha2 is out and Unity/Xorg is working right
[21:08] <czajkowski> http://twitter.com/#!/segphault/status/32543894021345280
[21:13] <jcastro> heh
[21:39] <mhall119> my co-worker has a Thinkpad and the recent kernel update stopped his suspend from working
[21:40] <mhall119> he was just complaining about it
[21:57] <daker> Wa3 kim0_
[21:57] <kim0_> daker: Hi man
[21:58] <daker> i missed you kim0_
[21:58]  * kim0_ hugs everyone around
[21:58] <kim0_> daker: thanks man, same here
[21:59] <daker> i was like a crasy, i was pinging you everytime
[22:00] <kim0_> It was/is a stressful period indeed
[22:01] <kim0_> things are improving however
[22:01] <daker> kim0_, internet is back ?
[22:05] <paultag> yeah, heyya kim0_
[22:06] <paultag> kim0_: how are you? Hope you're well. Crazy stuff. You go, dude.
[22:06]  * kim0_ hugs paultag :)
[22:06]  * paultag hugs kim0_
[22:06]  * Pendulum hugs kim0_
[22:06] <kim0_> well it's not back yet
[22:06] <kim0_> I know someone at the isp :)
[22:06] <paultag> hahaha, that's awesome
[22:07] <kim0_> The president is giving in .. He accepted everything except leaving immediately
[22:07] <kim0_> It's quite a great victory so far
[22:07] <paultag> kim0_: I saw that, that's good news :)
[22:07] <jcastro> hi kim0_
[22:07] <jcastro> !!!!!!!
[22:07] <kim0_> wow :)
[22:07] <jcastro> awesome!
[22:07] <kim0_> jcastro: hey man
[22:07] <kim0_> missed ya
[22:07]  * jcastro high fives
[22:07] <paultag> kim0_: everyone in America is pretty stoked to see ya'll riot.
[22:07] <jcastro> me too
[22:08] <kim0_> yeah .. phew
[22:08] <kim0_> it's not quite over yet though
[22:08] <kim0_> since the people actually want him to leave right away
[22:08] <kim0_> I suppose it'll all end this week
[22:08] <Pendulum> yeah. It strikes me that the time until he does leave is going to be tough
[22:08] <paultag> for sure, but you've made the news ( and got America (finally) reading al jazeera )
[22:09] <jcastro> right, and given our government better ideas on how to ban the internet!
[22:09] <paultag> haha
[22:09] <kim0_> well the US figured out the internet kill switch thing on their own :P
[22:09] <paultag> yeah, that's for sure
[22:09] <paultag> kim0_: from what i've read, most of the IP resolution was going through a single ISP
[22:10] <paultag> in egypt
[22:10] <kim0_> I basically have http only access .. so can't read emails ...etc. Only back partially
[22:10] <paultag> and that's what let them kill it
[22:10] <paultag> kim0_: oh interesting...
[22:10] <paultag> kim0_: what about SSL?
[22:10] <kim0_> paultag: not really .. Egypt has 4 large class A ISPs .. and many smaller ones
[22:11] <daker> kim0, are you able to find food/bread ?
[22:11] <kim0_> killing the Internet happened at the BGP routing level .. i.e. no packet of any kind is able to get out .. trust me I tried :)
[22:11] <paultag> kim0_: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2011/01/egypts-net-on-life-support.shtml
[22:12] <paultag> kim0_: that's what I've read up on -- that was the link I was going off of
[22:13] <paultag> kim0_: anyway, if you have SSL, I can see if we can work out some sort of port forward deal from one of my VPSs over 443
[22:13] <paultag> kim0_: as long as you run it through ssh, it should look close enough
[22:14] <kim0_> paultag: thanks man .. I'll try to see if this proxy supports CONNECT ..
[22:14] <paultag> let me know, man. I hate to see a hacker go without ssh
[22:14] <kim0_> Anyway, I hope I won't need this for more than a day or so
[22:15] <kim0_> daker: things are not that bad .. there is food ...etc .. You'd just have to wait for an hour to buy anything
[22:15] <kim0_> due to the long cashier queues .. in such times, all people tend to buy lots of things
[22:16] <daker> kim0, are you protesting ?
[22:18] <kim0_> not in the main area
[22:18] <kim0_> I'm however active in civil defense forces
[22:18] <paultag> kim0_: are you part of the group protecting people from the police?
[22:19] <daker> kim0, good
[22:19] <kim0_> from thiefs
[22:19] <paultag> ah
[22:19] <kim0_> one of the tactics the tyrant used, was to let thiefs/gangsters out on the street
[22:19] <kim0_> almost all prisons were open
[22:19] <kim0_> And police forces disappeared for two days ,, phew it was horrible
[22:19] <paultag> damn
[22:20] <paultag> kim0_: stay safe, dude.
[22:20] <daker> 17, 000 prisoner
[22:20] <kim0_> gun shots everywhere .. random shootings .. cars running stealing everything
[22:20] <kim0_> All young men got on the streets to protect their area
[22:20] <kim0_> things are better now however
[22:21] <kim0_> daker: you know too much :)
[22:21] <czajkowski> kim0_: you're ok
[22:21]  * czajkowski hugs kim0_
[22:21] <daker> kim0, thanks GOD
[22:21]  * kim0_ hugs czajkowski back
[22:21] <kim0_> I really appreciate it
[22:21] <czajkowski> kim0_: glad to hear you are ok.  Wish we were all so lucky :)
[22:23] <Pendulum> kim0_: you're part of the team! we worry about you :)
[22:24] <paultag> and the goverment was nice enough to cut all the teens away from facebook to rebel
[22:24] <AlanBell> kim0_: good to see you back
[22:24]  * kim0_ hugs AlanBell
[22:25] <kim0_> paultag: they cut SMS, internet, Satellite channels, and phones for the first day
[22:25] <paultag> damn!
[22:25] <paultag> kim0_: Oh, I was wondering -- can you use a 56K line?
[22:25] <paultag> kim0_: to a server outside of -eg
[22:26] <kim0_> um, maybe .. I discovered my winmodem in the laptop doesn't really work yesterday when I got that french ISP that was listed on slashdot :)
[22:26] <paultag> ahh :)
[22:27] <kim0_> People wanted to do some kind of a "mesh network" but there was no practical solution
[22:27] <kim0_> a project to think about
[22:27] <paultag> yeah, I was thinking about that as well
[22:27] <paultag> it seems like it would be tough to secure as well as maintain a clean IP space
[22:28] <kim0_> it's probably not too easy indeed .. zero experience operating that
[22:29] <paultag> for sure. Not even to mention it'd be easy to find the nodes that are most critical and cause netsplits
[22:29] <kim0_> just wish we could sprinkly something to get all people connected to each other .. even without Internet connectivity
[22:29] <paultag> kim0_: +1
[22:30] <Martyn> well, I've got a number of ubuntu-based BBS's running in egypt now
[22:30] <Martyn> using good old UUCP and modems
[22:31] <paultag> oh interesting
[22:31] <Martyn> but it looks like ioerror and company will easily supersede it with wireless satellite and wifi soon
[22:32] <Martyn> it really sucks that Noor shut down too
[22:34] <kim0_> momento phone call
[22:50] <jcastro> kefgh2ty3q4ity32il4ughqekljghwerklghweriltuh2eqrlh
[22:50] <jcastro> ugh!
[22:50] <jcastro> why oh why did I put my stupid content on the wiki


[11:25] <speedy> hey can somebody tell me the new way of controlling   GPu Fan Speed ! Nvidia    adding  Coolbits option not working ! gtx 1060 is cooking in my laptop ! fan ramping up really slowly
[11:30] <speedy> i cleaned the 2 cooling units 3 days ago  temperatures are stable  on dual boot windows system with fan controll aktive
[18:44] <bartaszili> Hi there, I'm wondering whether anybody got the same message from ubuntustudio 19.10 apt upgrade: "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" and the whole bloody system is listed afterwards... ?
[18:47] <Turdlar> was patchage removed in 20.04?
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> Turdlar: As part of the Python 2 removal, yes. Upstream developer failed to keep it updated.
[18:53] <Eickmeyer> bartaszili: It's too early to upgrade yet, that's not supported.
[18:55] <bartaszili> I don't want to upgrade to 20.04, just get the updates of packages
[18:56] <bartaszili> but everything is marked to autoremove from the beginning
[18:56] <Eickmeyer> bartaszili: Something is misconfigured on your system. You might be missing a metapackage.
[18:56] <bartaszili> fresh install
[18:56] <bartaszili> The ISO was fine
[18:56] <bartaszili> the USB was fine
[18:57] <bartaszili> Install went fine
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> bartaszili: Did you uncheck anything during install where it tells you to select your packages?
[18:57] <bartaszili> updated ok
[18:57] <bartaszili> yes couple of not wanted software aka video..., ffado,
[18:58] <bartaszili> wanted just for audio
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> Yep, that's what's doing it. If you had read the release notes, it says not to do that.
[18:58] <bartaszili> ok
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> Bug was discovered after release.
[18:58] <bartaszili> i missed that
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> If it's a fresh install, I'd just reinstall at this point, not unchecking anything.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> you can use ubuntustudio-installer to add them back to the installed list I tink
[18:58] <bartaszili> then apart of that everything works fine
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: No, because it still sees the metapackages as installed but "not needed".
[18:59] <OvenWerks> eeww!! smells bad. ok
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> Technically, manually installing all ubuntustudio-* metapackages should fix  it.
[18:59] <bartaszili> plus as I can see the ubuntustudio-installer hangs....
[18:59] <OvenWerks> or reinstalling
[19:00] <OvenWerks> new one doesn't from backports
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> Correct.
[19:00] <bartaszili> I might wait for the 20.04
[19:00] <OvenWerks> :)
[19:00] <bartaszili> then I start from scratch
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> bartaszili: I would at this point. Even installing the beta or daily would be advised at this point.
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> bartaszili: Be advised, though, the beta image has the same bug you encountered in the installer. Don't remove any packages during install.
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> It's gone in the latest daily images.
[19:02] <bartaszili> ok, I'm battling with Xruns
[19:02] <bartaszili> thats my second issue
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> bartaszili: Fix your installation first, then we'll talk xruns.
[19:04] <bartaszili> do you really think that simply packages marked for removal can relate to xruns?
[19:04] <OvenWerks> no
[19:04] <OvenWerks> what device?
[19:05] <bartaszili> cheep behringer UCA 202
[19:05] <OvenWerks> Whatever you do to help xruns will have to be done over when you reinstall though
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> ^ That was my point.
[19:05] <OvenWerks> block size?
[19:05] <bartaszili> I know, i'm making notes
[19:05] <bartaszili> to repeat everything on my clean 20.04 in the near future :)
[19:06] <bartaszili> so:
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> Fixing xruns is usually a case-by-case thing and can be fixed with updated kernels sometimes, so your inability to update due to package removal can, indeed, affect that.
[19:06] <bartaszili> 48kHz / 128 fr / 3 p
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> Bluetooth & wifi disabled?
[19:06] <bartaszili> yes
[19:06] <OvenWerks> seems reasonable
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> USB device. Probably an irq conflict.
[19:07] <bartaszili> I putted usb first in irq
[19:07] <bartaszili> can't remember from my head
[19:07] <bartaszili> in /etc/.../irc...
[19:08] <OvenWerks> newer motherboards run all USB 1.1 2.0 devices as if they are on the same USB bus. So internally your mouse may be on the same bus
[19:08] <OvenWerks>  in /etc/defaults/rtirq
[19:09] <bartaszili> RTIRQ_NAME_LIST="usb snd i8042"
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> Integrated or dedicated GPU?
[19:09] <OvenWerks> or if not the USB bus with the mouse on may even end up with higher priorities
[19:09] <bartaszili> it's an old machine, integrated i5-2400
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that might be part of it. Integrated GPU takes processor time away from the audio if graphics need to do their thing. Try turning off compositing in window manager tweaks.
[19:10] <OvenWerks>  try /etc/init.d/rtirq status |pastebinit and send us the url
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> I'll leave you in OvenWerks's hands, I need to take my dog out.
[19:11] <bartaszili> thanks
[19:12]  * OvenWerks will have to go soon too
[19:12] <bartaszili> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pQ5xXHdfDP/
[19:14] <OvenWerks> you are in luck, at least it shows two USB buses
[19:14] <bartaszili> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mH9cjDmRVP/
[19:14] <bartaszili> and you where right
[19:14] <bartaszili> it sits on bus 1 with keyboard + mouse + midi
[19:15] <bartaszili> that is at the back
[19:15] <bartaszili> the bus 2 might be the front?
[19:16] <OvenWerks> only trying will tell
[19:16] <bartaszili> yes, pendrive is in, and it shows it sits on bus 2
[19:16] <bartaszili> you think what am thinking?
[19:18] <bartaszili> what about pulse audio if this isnt solve anything?
[19:18] <bartaszili> worth removing?
[19:18] <OvenWerks> then in you rtirq setup instead of putting usb first use 23-ehci
[19:19] <OvenWerks> pulse is not worth removing if you are using ubuntustudio-controls to start jack
[19:20] <OvenWerks> if you are using qjackctl then you may wish to dissable all devices in pavucontrol so they don't interfere
[19:20] <OvenWerks> (-controls does this for you)
[19:20] <bartaszili> what is 16 ehci?
[19:21] <OvenWerks> anyway I need to go and help my wife get ready for work
[19:21] <OvenWerks> 16-ehci is the other usb bus
[19:22] <OvenWerks> you want your audio device on irq 23 because irq 16 is shared on almost all mother boards
[19:22] <bartaszili> thank you!
[19:22] <OvenWerks> so move usb things around untill you get that
[19:22] <OvenWerks> anyway gotta go.
[19:22] <bartaszili> bye
[19:22] <bartaszili> thanks a lot