[04:52] <psi> i was thinking of disabling gdm, and just use openbox together with gnome-panel
[04:52] <ich> internet at boot works too
[04:52] <ich> ciao
[04:54] <[Scizo] > any package in ubuntu that gives flash support in firefox ?
[04:54] <[Scizo] > some java package would be nice as well
[04:58] <moyogo> [Scizo] : the FAQ says they are working on both java and flash
[04:58] <[Scizo] > ah
[04:59] <koke_> hi!
[05:00] <moyogo> [Scizo] : but any java or flash package for debian should work for ubuntu
[05:00] <felixdz> Thanks for your correction Kamion. I actually did it as su
[05:00] <housetier> ich has yet to discover "dmesg"
[05:02] <cgdef> does anyone know why ubuntu is still using xfree86 instead of xorg?
[05:02] <[Scizo] > moyogo, well .. i'd rather not "pollute" it too much
[05:02] <Kosai> cgdef: Again, it's a FAQ entry.  They'll switch for the next release.
[05:02] <tseng> cgdef, not enough time to work on xorg before the freeze
[05:02] <Kamion> cgdef: xorg wasn't considered quite ready by the time we needed to freeze that kind of decision
[05:03] <cgdef> i see
[05:03] <[Scizo] > hope you'll decide on x.org 6.8
[05:03] <cgdef> I was just wondering
[05:03] <Kosai> I guess it wouldn't be too hard to get 6.8.0 running.  Mmm, compost.
[05:03] <Kamion> we've got Daniel Stone working for Canonical; I'm sure he'll make the right decision w.r.t. xorg versions
[05:03] <cgdef> well you might be wrong about 6.8
[05:04] <cgdef> it's easy to get it running but it is kinda hard to get it running well
[05:04] <cgdef> certain things are a real paint and apparently the xorgconfig script does not work as well as it should
[05:05] <cgdef> but that's just my experience
[05:05] <psyklops> quick dinner...
[05:05] <Lowe> yeah it wasn't very good
[05:05] <felixdz> I'm in dependency hell trying to install mplayer...
[05:05] <Lowe> aren't we all lol
[05:05] <psyklops> that tends to happen, felix
[05:06] <felixdz> I usually only get this with fedora
[05:06] <Kamion> what kind of dependency hell?
[05:07] <Lowe> mplayer-k6:
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libarts but it is not installable or
[05:07] <Lowe>  	libarts-alsa but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libdirectfb8 but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libdvdread2 but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 but it is not installable
[05:07] <Lowe>  Depends: libvorbis0 but it is not installable
[05:07] <jdub> heh
[05:07] <jdub> welcome to universe and beyond :-)
[05:07] <felixdz> Exacty what Lowe says. Me too.
[05:07] <Kamion> yup, suggests you forgot to add universe ...
[05:07] <Lowe> no i added universe
[05:08] <cgdef> I don't know much about debian so this is probably a dumb question but what is the address of the apt repository
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> cgdef,  thers a lot of mirrors for it
[05:08] <felixdz>  deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted universe
[05:08] <Kosai> cgdef: Debian's, or Ubuntu's?  Ubuntu's lives in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> cgdef,  the config is in /etc/apt/ to show what ones are used.
[05:08] <cgdef> debian's
[05:08] <Lowe> I need mplayer so badly ;_;
[05:09] <cgdef> ubuntu doesn't ahave all the software that I wanted :(
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> thers an apt program to select mirrors for you
[05:09] <felixdz> I am also using deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[05:09] <Kamion> Lowe: I'd try 'apt-get install libarts libdirectfb8 libdvdread2 libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libvorbis0' to see if you get a sensible error message out of that
[05:09] <Lowe> alright
[05:09] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: it hasn't been updated for Ubuntu mirrors yet
[05:09] <jdub> cgdef: universe ought to
[05:09] <felixdz> I'll try the same as Lowe
[05:10] <jmullman> is ubuntu supposed to have modconf by default?
[05:10] <Kamion> it might just be library incompatibility of doom
[05:10] <Kamion> jmullman: nope
[05:10] <jmullman> kamion: is the package available?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> tryign to get doom working? the original doom? perhaps try the new variants like prdoom, and so forth
[05:10] <Lowe> lol
[05:10] <Lowe> However the following packages replace it:
[05:10] <Lowe>   kdelibs4-dev libartsc0-dev libartsc0 libarts1-dev libarts1
[05:10] <Lowe> E: Package libarts has no installation candidate
[05:10] <Kamion> jmullman: apparently it didn't build in universe for some reason
[05:10] <sivang> jmullman : modconf isn't even available in debian sid anymore imho :)
[05:10] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: er?
[05:10] <jmullman> ahh, so what do I do to have modules load/not load
[05:11] <sivang> Kamion : hi, whassup?
[05:11] <Kamion>    modconf |     0.2.47 |      unstable | source, all
[05:11] <Kamion> sivang: nope, it's still there
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> I've had huge issues with the official id doom  - the new doom variants are all more stable/better for newer disrtos from what i remeber.
[05:11] <Kamion> jmullman: send us mail with what failed to load automatically
[05:11] <sivang> Kamoin : i thought there was a reolution sometime ago to remove it.
[05:11] <Kamion> Dr_Willis: "<foo> of doom" => nothing to do with the game DOom
[05:11] <jmullman> ok
[05:11] <Kamion> *Doom.  :P
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> DUngeons of Doom :P
[05:12] <Lowe> hmm no luck it just suggests other packages
[05:12] <housetier> sivang, it is available :) http://packages.debian.org/modconf
[05:12] <Kamion> jmullman: you can edit /etc/modules too
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> Librianian of Doom. SLugs of Doom.
[05:12] <psi> are madwifi cards not supposed to found during installation?
[05:12] <jmullman> it's mainly the fact that alsa isn't working and there are a ton of fs modules that I don't need loading
[05:12] <Kamion> psi: don't think we've fixed that up yet
[05:12] <sivang> Kamion : I had congiured succesfully my iTouch 2.2 thingy. all multimedia button working in xine :)
[05:12] <psi> Kamion: ok
[05:13] <Kamion> oof, modconf build-depends on kernel-source; no wonder it failed to build
[05:13] <jmullman> I had to grab that anyway so I could get the nvidia module to work
[05:14] <Kamion> jmullman: we don't *have* a kernel-source, we renamed it to linux-source
[05:14] <jmullman> whatever it's named, I got the source to the kernel and installed it for that reason
[05:14] <jmullman> ;)
[05:15] <Kamion> jmullman: just explaining why modconf isn't available
[05:16] <jmullman> gotcha
[05:16] <psi> hm - how large is the default ubuntu install?
[05:16] <Lowe> This sucks, im never going to get mplayer installed. :(
[05:17] <Kamion> psi: 1.8GB (reduces a few hundred MB after the apt cache is cleaned at the end of the install)
[05:17] <Kamion> psi: it's documented in one of the CD help screens
[05:17] <psi> Lowe, i installed the vorbis libs and xv libs from apt, and then built from source. worked fine for me.
[05:17] <psi> Kamion, ok thanks
[05:18] <psi> i think that solution lacks xvid support though
[05:18] <psi> i'm not sure if xvid is in universe
[05:18] <JanneM> tried an install, but I never found out how to actually resize an existing partition to make space
[05:18] <Lowe> I hate building from source
[05:19] <Kamion> JanneM: press Enter on the partition you want to resize, press Enter on the size row, enter new size
[05:19] <Kamion> JanneM: if that doesn't work, it's a bug (and there are a few known bugs here)
[05:20] <JanneM> nope
[05:20] <JanneM> enter on the size, and it asks me if I wnt to do the changes and continue
[05:20] <JanneM> I never get to actually edit the size
[05:21] <Kamion> I thought I fixed that about a week ago
[05:21] <JanneM> previous to that, it failed to bring up the netwok, though I can't really see hw that could affect it
[05:22] <Kamion> JanneM: this is with the warty preview release CD, right?
[05:23] <JanneM> yep
[05:23] <Kamion> JanneM: which filesystem are you trying to resize?
[05:23] <sivang> Kamion : this is the partitoner bug?
[05:23] <JanneM> ext3
[05:23] <Kamion> sivang: you know as much as I do from reading the above :P
[05:23] <Kamion> JanneM: OK, I'll have another look
[05:24] <JanneM> the disk has three partitions: a 100Mb boot partition, the main partition (about 58Gb) and 1Gb swap
[05:24] <JanneM> trying to resize the main partition, obviously
[05:24] <jdub> night all
[05:24] <JanneM> night
[05:24] <sivang> Kamion : I checked it several times using both the preview and a daily, seemed to worked fine :-0
[05:24] <seb128> 'night jdub
[05:24] <[Scizo] > night
[05:25] <schvenk> anyone know how to enable sleep/standby on a powerbook g4 in ubuntu?
[05:26] <JanneM> sivang: Kamion: don't know how it is built in the background, but could it affect it that I got to the partitioner via the menu, not just as the next step in the install?
[05:27] <Kamion> JanneM: no, if anything that should make bugs like that less likely to occur
[05:27] <Kamion> JanneM: it works for me just now, too
[05:28] <Kamion> JanneM: just triple-checking, from what URL did you download the image?
[05:28] <mojo> hi all ppl
[05:28] <psi> hi
[05:28] <mojo> can someone show me what I have to do after install nvidia-glx???
[05:29] <psi> have you changed driver in XF86COnfig?
[05:29] <mojo> to nvidia?
[05:29] <psi> yes
[05:29] <mojo> yes, I did and fail to load X
[05:29] <mojo> then I have to revert to nv
[05:29] <psi> you need to load the nvidia module also
[05:29] <mojo> at startup?
[05:30] <mojo> yes, I did load the nvidia-glx by using rcconf
[05:30] <JanneM> Kamion: from the Ubuntu site
[05:30] <psi> before you start X. you can add it to /etc/modules if you want it to start at boot
[05:30] <mojo> can u show me?
[05:30] <JanneM> Kamion: I was skipping around in the partitioning menus quite a bit
[05:31] <psi> mojo: just enter nvidia on a single line in /etc/modules
[05:31] <mojo> add nvidia-glx in/etc/modules
[05:31] <psi> then when you reboot the kernel module will be loaded
[05:31] <JanneM> JanneM: doing the install in Swedish if that helps
[05:31] <psi> no, not -glx, just nvidia
[05:31] <mojo> nvidia only
[05:31] <mojo> k
[05:31] <psi> you can try "modprobe nvidia" to load it without rebooting
[05:31] <Kamion> JanneM: I'm trying to make sure that you didn't download from /cdimage/sounder-test/current/, which is where the installation howtos mistakenly pointed at one point
[05:31] <psi> then you will be able to start X with the nvidia driver
[05:31] <mojo> do I need to remove load DRI in Xfree86config?
[05:32] <JanneM> hm
[05:32] <psi> no, but it doesn't hurt
[05:32] <JanneM> no
[05:32] <JanneM> though
[05:32] <mojo> ok let me try
[05:32] <JanneM> I have this install under qemu
[05:32] <mojo> thx much psi
[05:32] <JanneM> just tried it there and I have the same problem
[05:32] <mojo> I begin to love Ubuntu community
[05:32] <mojo> thx much
[05:32] <psi> you're welcome
[05:32] <JanneM> so I will redownload the CD image and try again
[05:32] <Kamion> JanneM: use rsync rather than redownloading
[05:32] <Kosai> JanneM: You might as well MD5sum the image you have.
[05:32] <psi> from what I hear, they are trying to make this process easier, but for now you have to do it manually, mojo
[05:33] <Kamion> oh my GOD modconf's build process is hideous
[05:33] <JanneM> :)
[05:33] <mjg59> Has modconf actually been fixed to work with 2.6?
[05:34] <Kamion> mjg59: there's some 2.6 stuff in its source package
[05:34] <Kamion> mjg59: dunno how well it works
[05:34] <Kamion> it needs to be fixed in the way that overly-hormonal animals are fixed
[05:35] <JanneM> the md5sum is the same as for the downloadable image on http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/releases/warty/preview/
[05:39] <ich> hi
[05:39] <ich> a new problem
[05:39] <schvenk> is there any way to mount an HFS+ volume like a normal volume?
[05:39] <ich> amule, is there a amule 2... version out there, i cant get it to compule so i would like a deb package.
[05:40] <Deft> schvenk, what is abnormal about it?
[05:41] <Kamion> schvenk: mount -t hfsplus
[05:42] <Kamion> schvenk: if you just use plain 'mount' then it'll get mounted as hfs, which won't be very useful
[05:43] <schvenk> kamion: sweet, thanks
[05:44] <schvenk> to mount that automatically at startup, do i just edit /etc/fstab or is there a more appropriate way?
[05:44] <Clint> ich: file a bug in bugzilla if there isn't already one
[05:44] <Kamion> schvenk: I'd edit /etc/fstab, yeah
[05:53] <felixdz> Got mplayer working sort of. used this sources list: http://muse.linuxmafia.org/lost+found/apt/sources.list
[05:55] <felixdz> Problem now I get sound error: alsa-contro: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such file or directory
[05:55] <wm_eddie> why is his sources.list in lost+found...
[05:55] <housetier> its just a directory
[05:56] <felixdz> It is not in lost and found. That is the url of website with sources list for lots of unnoffical sources.
[05:57] <felixdz> /etc/apt/sources list like everyone else.
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Whoever suggested taking out the Generic Mouse in XFree86Config in VMWare -> Thanks :)
[05:57] <Tomcat_> Works for my regular USB mouse as well.
[05:57] <felixdz> Should be a . there. death to typos!
[05:57] <Tomcat_> At least seems to work.
[05:59] <Jotun> This distro has quickly become my favorite. Many years in Linux and I've never felt any distro did my needs justice, until now. God bless the devs, really.
[05:59] <mike_w> ditto - it rocks, and I'm just a newbie
[05:59] <Loduriel> how to get totem to read divx? do I need to install totem-xine?
[05:59] <pr0c> Jotun, my favorite distro too, cept i missed something compiling my kernel and can't boot it, can't find what i missed either damnit!
[05:59] <mike_w> Can anyone tell me if bootsplash is included (and not working for me), or just to be included in gold version?
[06:00] <pr0c> mike_w, i never saw one
[06:00] <pr0c> saw it*
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Ack Jotun :)
[06:00] <mike_w> there's some good looking stuff on wiki, but dunno if it's in yet
[06:00] <Tomcat_> Any suggestions for using Windows net_send / Windows messaging from Ubuntu?
[06:02] <Kamion> mike_w: the userspace bootsplash project didn't make it for warty; it's been bumped to hoary
[06:02] <Kamion> (i.e. the next release)
[06:02] <mike_w> ;-(
[06:03] <Kamion> it took a fair bit of design; the traditional bootsplash hack broke our installer when we tried to drop it straight in
[06:03] <mike_w> the stuff on wiki looked great. think it's possible for me to build it into my sys?
[06:04] <Kamion> mike_w: the code'll be going into the hoary development repository more or less as soon as it opens, I believe, so you could follow that
[06:04] <Kamion> that's only a month or so as opposed to the six-and-a-half months until hoary releases
[06:04] <mike_w> kamion: will the hoary rep open when warty releases?
[06:05] <Kamion> mike_w: about then, yes
[06:05] <Kamion> (don't know the exact plans actually)
[06:05] <mike_w> kamion: so best to wait until then, rather than risk breaking things?!
[06:06] <Kamion> mike_w: well, as far as I can see none of the code is actually on the wiki yet, so I don't see how you could start using it yet :)
[06:06] <mike_w> Kamion: oh, ok - gotcha. how about beautifying grub, can I just link the .xpm image I found, or is it not that simple?
[06:07] <Kamion> ubuntu-artwork already hooks into grub
[06:07] <mike_w> hmm.. mine doesn't! Is there a config app somewhere?
[06:07] <Kamion> tweaking the grub configuration to show the menu should be sufficient
[06:08] <jesse_132> is there a proper way to add new software so I don't mess up ubuntu...  For instance  I want to get blam 1.4.1 ... so I was going to ./configure --prefix=/usr ; make ; sudo make install  ... will this fsck things up?
[06:08] <mike_w> as in commenting out the hidemenu bit? tried that
[06:08] <Kamion> jesse_132: DON'T use --prefix=/usr, use /usr/local
[06:09] <jesse_132> Kamion, then do I remove the blam package installed in /usr/local via apt or synaptic?
[06:09] <Kamion> jesse_132: neither
[06:09] <Kamion> software installed in /usr/local is your own problem to manage; nothing in Ubuntu will touch it
[06:10] <jesse_132> Kamion, I didn't think /usr/local was higher in the path listing by default ...
[06:10] <Kamion> jesse_132: the 'stow' package in universe may help you keep things organized if you're putting a lot of stuff in /usr/local
[06:11] <Kamion> jesse_132: /usr/local comes first in $PATH
[06:11] <jesse_132> Kamion, thanks for the help :)
[06:12] <Kamion> cjwatson@cittagazze ~ $ echo $PATH
[06:12] <Kamion> /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/g
[06:12] <Kamion> ames
[06:12] <mike_w> Kamion: sorry to be a pain, how do I configure grub splash screen?
[06:12] <Kamion> mike_w: you'll have to wait until I finish this install so I can experiment
[06:13] <mike_w> okay - tnxs and sorry!
[06:13] <Kamion> no problem
[06:22] <istari> hi there!
[06:23] <_axel> hi
[06:23] <istari> i did read anything about a live cd on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.8537444623/view?searchterm=live%20cd
[06:23] <istari> is this cd anywhere available? :))
[06:28] <damonlynch> istari, http://people.no-name-yet.com/~mdz/ubuntu-live/current/
[06:29] <istari> damonlynch: tnx ;)
[06:31] <psyklops> I don't know what I did to cause this, but every time I login the desktop loading splash (whatever you call it) refuses to go away for over a minute. Everything is done loading, it just sits there.
[06:31] <psyklops> Any idea how to make it terminate normally after it finishes loading?
[06:31] <sladen> psyklops: what happens when it does go away?
[06:32] <psyklops> I never managed to wait that long...
[06:32] <sladen> psyklops: is it because another backdrop is loaded?
[06:32] <psyklops> but, I can't log out until it goes away
[06:32] <psyklops> another backdrop?
[06:32] <sladen> psyklops: is the small box in the centre of the screen ?
[06:32] <psyklops> yes
[06:33] <sladen> psyklops: and that just stays there?  after the menus have appeared?
[06:33] <psyklops> yep
[06:33] <psyklops> and if I had "saved current settings" before, it locks up after the last program loaded
[06:33] <psyklops> (wow, lots of tense problems in that sentence)
[06:35] <psi__> hm, how do you setup wep? the network settings application does not ask anything about it
[06:35] <sladen> psyklops: with the box still in the centre, can you use the menus?
[06:36] <psyklops> yes
[06:36] <mike_w> anyone know if there is a panel applet for evolution (i.e. if you have new mail)?
[06:36] <Kosai> Yes, called evolution-biff or something.
[06:37] <psyklops> and if I click the box to make it disappear, I can't log out for a time I presume is how long it would take for the box to disappear on its own.
[06:37] <mike_w> kosai: thanks
[06:40] <Lowe> is there any other repositorys with more stuff? stupid mplayer needs loads of crap -_-
[06:41] <trukulo> Lowe, use marillat repository
[06:43] <Lowe> I already am, there isn't enough in it. -_-
[06:43] <_axel> uhm, that evolutionbiff thingy is for kde it seems
[06:44] <mike_w> yeah, was looking for it. there's a mail notification applet in ubuntu, but I don't know where to point it
[06:44] <Kosai> Oh, yes, that'd probably work.  I think the evolution mbox path is .evolution/local/Inbox or something.
[06:47] <mike_w> doesn't seem to respond to new mail - I take it evolution uses a 'local maildir' rather than a 'local mailspool'?
[06:47] <mike_w> ah - got it
[06:49] <pr0c> I swear that ubuntu randomly double clicks things, anyone else notice that? like I'll click on gaim and two instances will open, same with browser etc randomly..
[06:49] <OZ8AAZ> pr0c: it's known
[06:49] <mike_w> read about that on the users list - something to do with your mouse being defined twice
[06:49] <Lowe> I don't get that problem.
[06:49] <pr0c> OZ8AAZ, at least i'm not crazy!
[06:50] <OZ8AAZ> pr0c: comment out Generic mouse in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:50] <OZ8AAZ> are you familiar with that operation?
[06:50] <pr0c> oh simple fix, i see it
[06:50] <pr0c> damn i should have looked sooner, thank you
[06:51] <OZ8AAZ> hehe, I made exactly the same "error" earlier today...
[06:52] <OZ8AAZ> maybe it should be put on Ubuntu-web-frontpage :)
[06:52] <mike_w> great - the new mail notification applet works great, except it doesn't seem to reset
[06:55] <OZ8AAZ> so, Pr0c - did it work?
[06:59] <_axel> i find the mail notification applet a bit poor -- no way to make it show a dancing penguin or anything nicer than a dull 'no messages' label?
[06:59] <Lowe> lol a dancing penguin
[07:00] <_axel> heh, dunno, but the dancing penguin was in gnome2.6 iirc
[07:00] <mike_w> you can make it show a dancing penguin in prefs, once it says you have mail though, the only way to revert it back to not having mail is to remove it and add it again (!)
[07:00] <_axel> oh damnit i hadnt seen the 'select animation' option!
[07:00] <Deft> mike_w, it will catch up after a while and go back to the real number
[07:00] <Lowe> Can comeone buy me a dancing penguin? ._.
[07:01] <_axel> gah, the background is not transparent, that looks really weak
[07:01] <_axel> i'll have to check out gnubiff but i hate it cause the dancing penguin is too big ;)
[07:01] <jcontonio> I know this has probably been asked a million times, but anyway to get ubuntu and a airport extreme card working?
[07:02] <Lowe> I can't unmouny my ntfs partiton. Says device is busy. -_-
[07:02] <mike_w> Deft: cheers. I would have thought 'update' would fix it though?
[07:02] <Lowe> unmount*
[07:02] <Deft> mike_w, I thought that for a while, but the evidence was against it...
[07:03] <mike_w> Deft: as in, it will only reverT back after a while, but not after an update?
[07:04] <jcontonio> anyone using this on a ppc?
[07:04] <Deft> mike_w, after a random number of updates/amount of time it works it out, otherwise it seems to just keep adding the new mail to its own count
[07:05] <Kamion> jcontonio: airport extreme cards are not supported by Linux at all, sorry
[07:05] <Kamion> jcontonio: Broadcom haven't released the specifications
[07:06] <mike_w> Deft, weird - thanks though. is there a better / easy way of doing it?
[07:07] <jcontonio> Kamion, is there anyway to use that ndiswrapper?
[07:07] <jcontonio> Kamion, and do you know about any keys to get right and middle clicks on a mac
[07:09] <Lowe> How the heck do i get the home folder on my desktop? -_-
[07:09] <_axel> there's a gconf option for that i think
[07:09] <Kamion> jcontonio: ndiswrapper is i386-only, as far as I know
[07:09] <Mayday> Lowe: wiki.ubuntulinux.org has info to enable the desktop icons
[07:10] <_axel> Lowe: /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir
[07:10] <Kamion> jcontonio: F11 and F12; see /etc/sysctl.conf
[07:10] <jcontonio> oh thank you very much
[07:10] <mike_w> is there a start-here or similar menu to get to sys config apps in ubuntu? where?
[07:11] <mike_w> or is all of that included in the Computer menu?
[07:11] <jcontonio> Kamion, so if I were to get an external pci card for wireless, what do you recommend
[07:14] <Lowe> That's better. :)
[07:15] <werewolf> what package I have to install for having a minimal gnome desktop? nautilus, firefox and trash icon
[07:15] <bolivar> werewolf: havent found that out yet
[07:16] <bolivar> i tried it but it DIDNT go well hehe
[07:16] <Kamion> jcontonio: if you mean PCMCIA/CardBus, I use the CardBus model from www.netgate.com; any Prism 2-type card should work well
[07:16] <jcontonio> ok thank you
[07:16] <jcontonio> Kamion, so in that conf file I can change the F11 and F12?
[07:17] <peterray> hi
[07:17] <bolivar> howdy peterray
[07:18] <Kamion> jcontonio: yes, then run 'sysctl -p'; you can work out the keycodes with showkey
[07:18] <Kamion> note that showkey outputs hexadecimal while the sysctl wants decimal, so you'll have to convert
[07:21] <Adonijah> werewolf, there isn't such a thing afaik
[07:23] <peterray> I've found a bug in ubuntu installation
[07:23] <Adonijah> think so? what is it?
[07:24] <peterray> There isn't the 3c940 module in the kernel
[07:24] <Adonijah> how is that a bug?
[07:24] <peterray> this module is present in debian sarge
[07:25] <peterray> this network card is present in more mobo
[07:25] <kagou> hi guys
[07:25] <nawty> gday, how would one check to see if cacti 0.8.6 has been committed to debian ?
[07:25] <Adonijah> peterray, i would say lack of hardware support, not a bug
[07:25] <Adonijah> peterray, ubuntu != sarge
[07:25] <peterray> Adonijah, sorry
[07:25] <Kamion> Adonijah: ease up, it's sometimes the same thing :)
[07:25] <Adonijah> i'm not being mean, just saying ;)
[07:26] <Adonijah> sk98lin should work with 3c940 anyway...
[07:26] <Kamion> peterray: I don't see that module in sarge
[07:26] <peterray> I know that ubuntu != sarge
[07:26] <Kamion> peterray: where is it?
[07:26] <nawty> anyone ?
[07:26] <peterray> Kamion, I've write the name of the netcard
[07:26] <Kamion> peterray: we'd need the name of the module
[07:26] <Adonijah> peterray, have you tried the sk98lin module?
[07:26] <Adonijah> peterray, that usually supports the 3c940
[07:26] <peterray> Adonijah, I doesnt' work
[07:27] <Kamion> as Adonijah says, that's the module documented in the kernel source as supporting 3c940
[07:27] <peterray> mmmm
[07:27] <Kamion> peterray: there was an upload recently to fix some issue with sk98lin
[07:27] <peterray> ok
[07:28] <Adonijah> kernel bug then...neat
[07:28] <peterray> but why installation system doesn't find it?
[07:28] <Kamion> peterray: doesn't find it at all? does 'lsmod | grep sk98lin' on tty2 show anything?
[07:29] <Kamion>  linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>-6) warty; urgency=low
[07:29] <peterray> anything
[07:29] <Kamion>  .
[07:29] <Kamion>    * Updated sk98lin PCI table based on skge_probe() in
[07:29] <Kamion>      drivers/net/sk98lin/skge.c (Herbert Xu).
[07:29] <Kamion> ?
[07:29] <Adonijah> yeah, sk98lin is definitely the driver that's supposed to support 3c940
[07:29] <peterray> ok
[07:30] <peterray> I try
[07:30] <Kamion> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141 says that it works pre-reboot but not post-reboot
[07:30] <nawty> anyone ?
[07:30] <Kamion> peterray: if the card doesn't work in the installer, before the first reboot, then please send us the output of 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' so that we can update the hardware database
[07:31] <peterray> ok
[07:31] <Kamion> nawty: not exactly a question for #ubuntu
[07:31] <Kamion> nawty: but you could look at http://packages.debian.org/ or http://packages.qa.debian.org/
[07:31] <Adonijah> Kamion, does any of the project leads know that downloading http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz has been broken for about 4 days now in apt-get? :)
[07:32] <nawty> Kamion: doesnt look like it
[07:32] <Adonijah> Kamion, i haven't see any mention of it...
[07:32] <Kamion> Adonijah: you sure it's broken for everyone, or just you?
[07:32] <Adonijah> Kamion, a few others have mentioned it
[07:32] <Adonijah> Kamion, so i know it's not just me :)
[07:32] <pr0c> Adonijah, It was broke for me yesterday or day before but not now
[07:33] <Adonijah> i'm amd64 here, so that might be another diff too
[07:33] <Kamion> Adonijah: works fine for me
[07:33] <Kamion> well, source is architecture-independent
[07:33] <Kamion> kind of by definition
[07:33] <Kamion> Adonijah: I'd suspect a broken transparent proxy somewhere on your network
[07:33] <psi__> ugh. my laptop crashed during a kernel update, and now I can't boot the system :E
[07:33] <Adonijah> I don't have a proxy anywhere
[07:33] <psi__> i get Error 15: no such file
[07:33] <Adonijah> and it's the only one that's broken
[07:34] <Kamion> Adonijah: *transparent*, meaning one that your ISP installed and you don't know about
[07:34] <Kamion> this is pretty common practice
[07:34] <Adonijah> Kamion, I would sincerely doubt that
[07:34] <Adonijah> Kamion, since every other apt source works just fine
[07:34] <Kamion> Adonijah: most other apt sources don't update every half an hour :)
[07:34] <Kamion> Adonijah: this might well cause different behaviour in dodgy caches
[07:34] <Adonijah> Kamion, maybe, but I can download the file manually just fine, it's only through the apt-get problem that it's broken
[07:34] <mteira> Adonijah: You can test it in http://eurodev.net/ip.php
[07:35] <mteira> Adonijah: It would say if you're behind a transparent proxy/cache
[07:35] <Adonijah> "Your connection HTTP does not happen through a cache."
[07:36] <Kamion> Adonijah: hmm. I guess you'll have to track it down locally though, maybe with strace
[07:36] <Adonijah> Kamion, the error is "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)"
[07:36] <Kamion> as far as I know, the archive's fine
[07:36] <Adonijah> Kamion, oh i'm fairly certain the archive is fine
[07:36] <peterray> Adonijah, thanks it's work now
[07:36] <peterray> Kamion, thx
[07:36] <Adonijah> Kamion, it's just apt-get that's jacked somehow
[07:36] <Kamion> might be worth poking around in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:36] <Frozen> I can't get my X working. I think its because of my graphic card (GFX5700LE)
[07:36] <Frozen> anyone using GFX 5700LE
[07:37] <Adonijah> Frozen, did you uncomment restricted/universe in /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update and then apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common?
[07:37] <Frozen> no
[07:37] <Kamion> nvidia-kernel-common's on the CD and installed by default
[07:37] <Adonijah> didn't know, ati here :)
[07:38] <Adonijah> Kamion, what should i be looking for in /var/lib/apt/lists ?
[07:38] <Adonijah> Kamion, should I just try clearing out the cached lists?
[07:39] <trukulo> Adonijah, download works
[07:39] <trukulo> tried here, right now
[07:39] <Adonijah> trukulo, ?
[07:39] <trukulo> Adonijah, sources.gz, download works here
[07:39] <Adonijah> trukulo, yes, it does here too, just not through apt-get update
[07:39] <Frozen> when I start X it starts to flicker and it looks crazy...any ideas
[07:40] <trukulo> Adonijah, ah, try apt-get clean then
[07:40] <Kamion> 'apt-get clean' doesn't touch /var/lib/apt/lists/
[07:40] <Adonijah> hrm, i tried removing all the lists in /var/lib/apt/lists and apt-get clean
[07:40] <Adonijah> same error
[07:40] <trukulo> so, don't know
[07:41] <pr0c> Adonijah, maybe manually get the file and place it whereever? never tried it with apt but it should be possibl
[07:41] <mojo> can some1 help?
[07:41] <mojo> I can't do install J2SDL
[07:41] <mojo> SDK
[07:41] <Adonijah> it's not a big deal, because it's *only* the 'sources' lists that are failing
[07:41] <mojo> it's too hard to install on Debian
[07:41] <mojo> I read the Wiki
[07:41] <Adonijah> but it's obviously a bug in apt-get or the like
[07:41] <mojo> but all are nonsense
[07:41] <ggi> mojo: Sure y'can.
[07:41] <Adonijah> since I can download the file just fine through a browser or wget
[07:41] <Adonijah> and a gzip -t passes
[07:41] <trukulo> mojo, read my blog, it's in spanish, but it's very easy to understand
[07:42] <mojo> ggi: I follow those instruction but even the deb package they use are unavailable
[07:42] <trukulo> http://mercurio.homeip.net/blog/34/
[07:42] <Kamion> Adonijah: I'd be looking for stuff in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/
[07:42] <ggi> mojo: Do you have universe in your sources.list?
[07:42] <Kamion> Adonijah: check if they're really gzipped files, or what's in them
[07:42] <ish> is there an ubuntu-nic way to get the jdk installed?
[07:42] <Adonijah> Kamion, that dir is empty
[07:43] <mojo> thx trukulo
[07:43] <mojo> u saved me again!
[07:43] <trukulo> mojo, no prob
[07:43] <mojo> the blog u gave is so helpful!
[07:43] <mojo> thx
[07:43] <Adonijah> Kamion, other ideas?
[07:43] <Kamion> Adonijah: in that case you'll have to resort to strace, as I said above
[07:43] <trukulo> mojo, do you know spanish?
[07:43] <Adonijah> Kamion, i have, and the strace doesn't tell me much
[07:44] <Adonijah> Kamion, other than gzip doesn't like the file
[07:44] <Adonijah> Kamion, unless there's something special I should be looking for
[07:44] <Kamion> Adonijah: sudo strace -f -o /tmp/update.trace -s 2048 apt-get update; sudo bzip2 /tmp/update.trace, then mail /tmp/update.trace.bz2 to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:44] <Lowe> Does BMP have some problem with UTF-8?
[07:44] <Frozen> how do I install/download NVIDIA kernel module
[07:44] <Kamion> Adonijah: I'm going out now but I'll have a look later
[07:45] <mike_w> kamion, did u get a chance to look at grub splash?
[07:45] <Adonijah> wtf?
[07:45] <Adonijah> ok, twilight zone
[07:45] <Frozen> how do I install/download NVIDIA kernel module?
[07:45] <Kamion> Frozen: please don't repeat
[07:46] <Frozen> ok....
[07:46] <Kamion> Frozen: nvidia-kernel-common is installed by default
[07:46] <Kamion> Frozen: what exactly are you looking for?
[07:47] <Kamion> Frozen: (I'm assuming you installed from scratch rather than upgrading, btw)
[07:47] <Frozen> well my X isn't working...in one error message it says that "Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module"
[07:47] <Kamion> mike_w: oh, sorry, got distracted by fixing amd64 keymap bugs, looking now
[07:47] <Kamion> Frozen: what architecture? i386?
[07:47] <Adonijah> Kamion, ok, I gotta hum dinger of a prob for ya :)
[07:47] <Frozen> i386
[07:47] <mike_w> Kamion: it's okay, no rush. can mail me if u wnat
[07:48] <Adonijah> Kamion, if I run apt-get update using strace with the command line options you gave me a few times successively, it eventually downloads the lists correctly and doesn't error out
[07:48] <Kamion> Adonijah: check that you have linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-<somethingorother> installed
[07:48] <Adonijah> Kamion, this smacks of threading or a race condition
[07:48] <Kamion> Adonijah: RUN AWAY
[07:48] <Kamion> Adonijah: seriously, I've never seen this, I don't think any of us have
[07:48] <Adonijah> Well, i've already found several problems you guys haven't seen :D
[07:48] <Adonijah> amd64 is apparently prone to all kinds of quackery
[07:49] <mojo> trukulo: how come Totem-gstreamer can't run all video files, I though gstreamr is stronger than xine
[07:49] <Kamion> sure, but this is the sort of thing that would show up all over the place I'd've thought
[07:49] <mteira> Bladerunner?
[07:49] <Adonijah> for example, I can't open contacts in evolution because of threading problems in berkeley db
[07:49] <Adonijah> upstream knows :)
[07:49] <Kamion> then again we don't have many amd64s among the development team yet, so it's possible
[07:49] <Kamion> Adonijah: when I get my amd64 network-connected, I'll see if I can reproduce it
[07:49] <Adonijah> i don't have any restricted-modules package installed
[07:49] <Adonijah> i don't have webcams, usb flashkeys, or any binary only drivers loaded
[07:49] <Kamion> Adonijah: it's not built on amd64 yet
[07:50] <Adonijah> ;D
[07:50] <Adonijah> Kamion, so do you still want the strace <G>
[07:50] <grzesieq> Hi, anyone go Ubuntu working on virtual pc 6.1?
[07:50] <Adonijah> Kamion, I suppose I could get evil with it and go through gdb, but I doubt that would reveal anything useful :D
[07:50] <Kamion> Adonijah: of one of the failing ones, yes
[07:50] <grzesieq> s/go/got/
[07:50] <Kamion> although I might have to pass it over to mdz
[07:51] <Adonijah> Kamion, i can file a bug and attach strace log if that would be easier :)
[07:52] <Adonijah> Kamion, nforce 3 150 board here, realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet btw
[07:52] <mdz> Kamion: amd64 issues should go to Mithrandir
[07:52] <Adonijah> i'll go file a bug, you guys can zing it wherever it needs to go
[07:53] <jesse_132> Does monodevelop not reside in anyones repository?
[07:53] <Rhonda> I have two (maybe controversial) questions about ubuntu:
[07:53] <Adonijah> tseng maybe?
[07:53] <srbaker> putting ubuntu on my other machine tonight
[07:54] <tseng> Adonijah: hm whats up?
[07:54] <Adonijah> tseng, err.. jesse_132 was asking if anyone had monodevelop in a repos
[07:54] <Rhonda> In what way is ubuntu a "community Linux distribution", like Mark Shuttleworth writes himself?
[07:54] <tseng> no i couldnt build the debian source package
[07:54] <Kamion> mdz: heh, pass the buck :-)
[07:54] <tseng> i have all the deps if someone else wants to try fixing it
[07:55] <mdz> Rhonda: in that it will be developed in cooperation with the open source community
[07:55] <mdz> in much the way that Debian is
[07:55] <Kamion> Rhonda: we're still getting the community up and running; it's been four days since preview release, give us a chance :-)
[07:55] <Rhonda> mdz: So it is not community driven? From what I see people working on it are hired....
[07:55] <Rhonda> Of course, I'm just curious.
[07:55] <cgdef> mdz: out on a tangent, it might be a good idea to change the pager for man pages to most
[07:55] <cgdef> looks a lot better
[07:56] <Adonijah> Rhonda, some of the members are from debian project
[07:56] <tseng> most is kinda nice
[07:56] <Rhonda> Kamion: It's just the thing that it made me wonder, but I haven't read anything about it.
[07:56] <Adonijah> Rhonda, and lots of volunteers contribute bugs, patches, and help
[07:56] <Rhonda> Adonijah: I know that.
[07:56] <Kamion> Rhonda: the core team is paid, but we don't expect to be the sole contributors forever, and we don't want it to stay that way
[07:56] <jesse_132> Rhonda, several of the developers of gnome/debian that have been volunteering before are now paid...
[07:56] <mdz> Rhonda: those two things are not mutually exclusive
[07:56] <thx1138> is there a flash plugin for mozilla (like flashplugin-nonfree in debian) ?
[07:56] <Rhonda> mdz: Of course not.
[07:57] <mdz> Rhonda: there will be (indeed, already are) people participating in development who are not Canonical employees
[07:57] <trukulo> thx1138, that's for mozilla
[07:57] <mdz> Rhonda: we have a lot of work to do in order to build the infrastructure to be more open, but we will get there
[07:57] <Rhonda> But: Is there sort of a social contract that states that canonical won't direct the "community" part of ubuntu in a specific direction just because it pays the core developers?
[07:57] <trukulo> flashplugin-nonfree is in ubuntu, in universe
[07:58] <Adonijah> it is?
[07:58] <Adonijah> i dunna see it here
[07:58] <Rhonda> It's just that I'm curious, and this is one of the things that made me wonder.
[07:58] <Lowe> I'm still wondering why, there is no ops in here. *yawn*
[07:58] <jesse_132> Rhonda, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/ see code of conduct...
[07:58] <thx1138> trukulo> hmmm, my sources include universe, but i don't see any package named flashplugin-nonfree
[07:59] <trukulo> thx1138, so, perhaps i'm wrong
[07:59] <Kamion> Rhonda: general plan's to have some kind of governance structure that resolves disputes
[07:59] <whiprush> flashplayer-mozilla is what you're looking for
[07:59] <thx1138> whiprush> thanks a lot
[07:59] <Kamion> we've made the first steps at thinking it out; it will of course take a while
[08:00] <whiprush> I don't know if it's in universe though
[08:00] <mdz> Rhonda: it is being developed, yes
[08:00] <whiprush> it's in marillat's source I think
[08:00] <Rhonda> Lowe: There are services.
[08:00] <jmhodges> say, what would be a good doc to read for a deb newb?
[08:00] <thx1138> whiprush> indeed, it's not in universe
[08:00] <Lowe> I still need to get mplayer working, hopefully it will come in the final. (highly doubt it though)
[08:00] <whiprush> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:00] <jmhodges> bah, n/m ill just find something on debian.org
[08:00] <trukulo> thx1138, try: apt-cache search flash|grep flash
[08:00] <whiprush> add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:00] <whiprush> then apt-get update
[08:00] <Rhonda> The other thing that made me wonder, is that it has right on the front page "that software tools should be usable by people in their local language", but then the pages are only available in english?  :)
[08:01] <whiprush> don't blame me if it blows up your PC though. :p
[08:01] <Kamion> Rhonda:
[08:01] <Kamion> oops
[08:01] <jesse_132> has anyone got dvd playback in totem to work...  I only get xine to play dvds (without sound)
[08:01] <mteira> :))
[08:01] <Lowe> Dependcy help.
[08:01] <Kamion> Rhonda: much of the web site was written in about the last two weeks :)
[08:01] <ggi> Are the packages in Debian contrib not in Ubuntu? Not even in 'restricted'?
[08:01] <Lowe> hell*
[08:01] <mteira> Rhonda: What have you made? Now we would have to restart him.
[08:01] <Rhonda> Kamion: So, no time for catalan?  :)
[08:02] <Rhonda> mteira: Whom?
[08:02] <mteira> Rhonda: Galician is first in the queue.
[08:02] <Kamion> mike_w: ah; see https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=994
[08:02] <mteira> Rhonda: Kamion, he's ooped.
[08:03] <Rhonda> I always make Kamion oops.
[08:03] <trukulo> Rhonda, mteira : perhaps in final version, don't know
[08:03] <Rhonda> Or was it jordi?  Don't know why, can't tell the two appart....
[08:03] <mteira> Maybe a bug.
[08:03] <thx1138> trukulo> it's the package named swf-player (in universe)
[08:03] <Rhonda> Might be both.
[08:03] <trukulo> thx1138, umm, i doubt it
[08:03] <mteira> Rhonda: Fill a bug report.
[08:03] <mteira> Rhonda: Sure.
[08:03] <Adonijah> trukulo, there is no other flash plackage besides swf-flashplayer that I can see that would qualify
[08:04] <Rhonda> But like said, am not sure if it's a bug in Kamion's or in jordi's interface.
[08:04] <Rhonda> mteira: Shall they play ping pong?
[08:04] <mike_w> Kamion: ah, so it's not possible then? I prefer to have the menu displayed as I have windows and 3x linux, basic menu is igly though!!
[08:04] <Adonijah> trukulo, and apt-cache show giving the package name you mentioned yeilds nothing
[08:04] <thx1138> trukulo> well, see the description : Includes  a Mozilla plugin, that embeds the player into Mozilla-based browsers,
[08:04] <Adonijah> thx1138, what arch are you?
[08:04] <Adonijah> thx1138, (i386, i686, amd64) ?
[08:04] <trukulo> thx1138, yes, but it doesn't works well, try it and tell us
[08:04] <thx1138> Adonijah> sorry but my problem is solved (i686)
[08:04] <mike_w> s/igly/ugly
[08:05] <Adonijah> thx1138, it is solved?
[08:05] <Adonijah> i just realised i'm amd64, and probably won't have flash in my repos list ;)
[08:05] <thx1138> Adonijah> yeah, i've just installed that package and restarted epiphany ... flash animations work well
[08:05] <mteira> Rhonda: You're familiar with jordi's interface.   I had to go after him once.
[08:06] <Adonijah> thx1138, ah, k
[08:07] <Kamion> mike_w: looks like we actually took the whole splash image out; I wonder if that was a mistake
[08:07] <mike_w> Kamion: I downloaded the splash image manually from wiki. Is there a command I can use in menu.1st to display it?
[08:07] <trukulo> Rhonda, who r u?
[08:07] <Rhonda> trukulo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:08] <mike_w> Kamion: think it would be nice to offer the choice though
[08:08] <Kamion> mike_w: if you create /boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz and run 'update-grub', it should work
[08:08] <Kamion> mike_w: the setting is 'splashimage'
[08:08] <trukulo> Rhonda, and you are woman, and from catalonia ?
[08:08] <Rhonda> trukulo: No, jordi is catalan.
[08:08] <mike_w> Kamion: I have splash.xpm , how do I gz it? (sorry, novice)
[08:09] <trukulo> ah, you said before : HER
[08:09] <Kamion> mike_w: 'gzip splash.xpm'
[08:09] <Rhonda> trukulo: Depends on point of view.
[08:09] <trukulo> Rhonda, jordi is not cataln, as i know, it's from baleares, isn't it?
[08:09] <Kamion> damnit, we should have grep-dctrl in desktop :P
[08:10] <Rhonda> trukulo: Don't know, but he is coordinator for catalan Debian website translation.
[08:10] <Rhonda> Kamion: Shame on ubuntu. ;)
[08:10] <trukulo> Rhonda, ok, that's because in baleares speaks catalan too, but it's not catalonia
[08:10] <Rhonda> It is quite nice l10ned.  ;)
[08:10] <mteira> :)
[08:11] <mteira> Oh, interesting debate.
[08:11] <mike_w> Kamion: thanks a lot, think that worked. Gonna reboot and see
[08:11] <Kamion> at least grep-dctrl's in supported ...
[08:12] <mteira> It works!!
[08:13] <neighborlee> anyone know whats up with mplayer /dev/mixer error during playback?..i'm assuming its a bug in whomever compiled but....so im going to grab from mplayer site for now.. ( tried changing permission on /dev/mixer but nadda)
[08:15] <mteira> I have to say it again. I feel this distro really faster than debian unstable.
[08:15] <Rhonda> grep-dctrl -FMaintainer -sPackage<EMAIL_ADDRESS>| wc -l
[08:15] <Rhonda> That should do it.  :)
[08:15] <Rhonda> Oh, stupid me....
[08:16] <Rhonda> Can download the Packages files myself...
[08:17] <Rhonda> uh, none?
[08:18] <mteira> Rhonda: What's your problem?
[08:19] <Rhonda> I'm not in.
[08:19] <mteira> Rhonda: where?
[08:20] <Frozen> lol...I got ubuntus X working with Geforce 2 MX 400, It didn't work with GFX 5700LE
[08:20] <Rhonda> Oh, I'm in universe.
[08:20] <Rhonda> Just not in main.
[08:21] <trukulo> Rhonda: universe is sid packages recompiled, not mantained
[08:21] <Rhonda> Ah, I see.
[08:21] <mojo> thx all ppl, I made J2SDL installed and worked!!
[08:23] <cgdef> I get the following error
[08:23] <cgdef> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:23] <cgdef> what is the problem and how do I fix it
[08:25] <Frozen> how can I test does my 3d work?
[08:25] <cgdef> try one of the opengl screensavers
[08:26] <Deft> Frozen, glxgears and glxinfo will give you an idea
[08:27] <Frozen> ok thanks
[08:27] <cgdef> np
[08:32] <mike_w> Kamion: thanks a lot, worked a treat. How do I change my default boot options (e.g. vga=791) so that I don't have to manually re-edit menu.1st after invoking update-grub?
[08:33] <Jotun> how do you change the default program to open certain files?
[08:33] <Jotun> I can add one, but it's never default.
[08:33] <Jotun> It won't let me remove totem as the default program for videos
[08:34] <Deft> mike_w, add the vga option to the # kopt=... line, keeping the # at the start
[08:35] <neill> Deft: even though that is below the start of the Autogenerated section?
[08:35] <neill> I was a bit confused about that.
[08:35] <Frozen> could someone tell me good alternate for ubuntu because I'm not sure can I get this working on my other PC. It should be debian based?
[08:35] <mike_w> Frozen: have you tried debian?
[08:35] <neill> Frozen: Debian and Knoppix would spring to mind
[08:36] <Deft> yes, that line is never changed, just read and used to generate the others
[08:36] <mike_w> Deft: thanks a lot, trying it now...
[08:36] <neill> Deft: but should remain commented? So that's what the bit about not uncommenting it meant.......
[08:36] <sladen> cgdef: the file you've downloaded (.../Sources.gz) is corrupted
[08:36] <neill> makes sense now. thanks.
[08:37] <Elim> has anyone installed the ppc version yet?
[08:37] <Frozen> well I could try knoppix...when I have time to that
[08:37] <sladen> Frozen: what problem are you haveing that makes you think you can't get ti working?
[08:37] <Elim> has anyone installed the ppc version yet?
[08:37] <mike_w> Deft: perfect - thanks a lot 8-)
[08:37] <Frozen> It doesn't work with my Geforce FX 5700LE
[08:37] <sladen> Elim: about half the developers have Powerbook laptops.  Lots of people have!
[08:38] <Frozen> I mean X doesn't work
[08:38] <neill> Frozen: how does it not work?
[08:38] <neill> (haven't got the nvidia drivers working yet)
[08:38] <neill> this is with Ubuntu.
[08:38] <neill> the nvidia drivers work with debian as well though
[08:39] <Frozen> it flicker and the screen looks weird...like when u try to use svga game on vga monitor...
[08:39] <Frozen> also spiky from the sides..
[08:39] <trukulo> try lower the resolution
[08:40] <toothpick> neill, have you tried to install the nvidia's yet with ubuntu?
[08:40] <neill> toothpick: no.
[08:40] <Frozen> already tries
[08:40] <Frozen> *tried
[08:40] <neill> toothpick: I couldn't work out how at an initial glance
[08:40] <toothpick> neill: I have the fx5200 and they work perfectly.
[08:40] <toothpick> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:40] <toothpick> add nvidia to the text file /etc/modules
[08:41] <toothpick> chane nv to nvidia in /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[08:41] <toothpick> chane read change
[08:41] <Frozen> I'm no using MX 400 and it works great...but I want to use my new FX 5700LE
[08:41] <neill> either my sources are broken or it's not in amd64 yet
[08:41] <neill> Frozen: that's very odd.
[08:41] <toothpick> oh amd64...ok not sure about that.
[08:42] <toothpick> Is that a laptop you have there neill ?
[08:42] <neill> toothpick: no.
[08:42] <neill> desktop
[08:42] <Frozen> neill: I know
[08:42] <neill> with nforce3 250 though
[08:42] <neill> which works.
[08:42] <neill> so I'm impressed. :)
[08:42] <neill> Frozen: does the card work in windows?
[08:43] <Frozen> never tried...but worked on FC2
[08:45] <neill> Frozen: you might try using / looking for differences from your FC2 X config
[08:45] <Elim> im installing ubuntu on my g3 mac now :D
[08:46] <Elim> MAC OS IS SO SLOW ITS NOT FUNNY :(
[08:46] <damonlynch> would ubuntu's amd64 gnome 2.8 play well with my existing mandrake gnome 2.6 settings, and allow me to go back and forth?
[08:46] <Frozen> hmm...I installed ubuntu over FC2
[08:46] <robertj_> Elim: really?
[08:47] <Elim> yes really! mac os x is about twice as slow as linux and badly setup i might ad
[08:47] <robertj> badly setup?
[08:47] <bolivar> some of the guys were saying that last night...thats its a memory hog etc
[08:48] <robertj> bolivar: it does a lot of neat stuff with that memory use though
[08:48] <robertj> and I don't know why it would be a bigger hog than Linux by a huge amount
[08:49] <robertj> And it does have a lot less toolkit duplication
[08:49] <Elim> yer its really messed up in the way u install programs they are all installed to a directory in the 'finder' , im not sure what the actual os does with the contence as underneath is darwin which i played with which has all the 'usual' directories im a linux guy and macos is a bit too easy and simle for my liking i like to fiddle with the settings....
[08:50] <robertj> Elim: I like an Easy user interface
[08:50] <Elim> i like xwindows better :D
[08:50] <robertj> X runs on Mac
[08:50] <Elim> leaning and more customisable
[08:51] <werewolf> oh yeah! I found that trashapplet must depends on fam, what I have to do now?
[08:51] <robertj> leaning?
[08:51] <Elim> it doesn't on 10.2 which is what i have
[08:51] <Elim> u need 10.3
[08:51] <Elim> leaner*
[08:51] <robertj> Elim: no you don't you can compile everything you need to install X from scratch and run it on 10.2
[08:51] <Elim> news to me
[08:51] <robertj> Which is exactly what you would be doing on Linux if your distro didn't
[08:52] <CraHan> hi everyone
[08:52] <robertj> X.org also isn't included on my Redhat 2 CD but I don't whine about Redhat not running X
[08:52] <CraHan> I've took the step and deleted my debian install to try ubuntu, but I ran into a slight problem
[08:52] <CraHan> the network card (eepro) gets detected
[08:52] <CraHan> but the network does not come up
[08:52] <robertj> can you assign it a manual ip address
[08:53] <CraHan> can't get dhcp info, and even when setting it manually it fails
[08:53] <robertj> hrmm
[08:53] <CraHan> it assigns the ip
[08:53] <robertj> shows up in ifconfig -a?
[08:53] <Elim> dhcpcd eth0 tried that?
[08:53] <CraHan> and after everything is installed from disk, and I run ifconfig I get a configured eth0 and lo
[08:53] <trukulo> CraHan: check cable
[08:53] <trukulo> i mean, check wire
[08:53] <CraHan> reinstalled debian afterwards and it came up fine
[08:54] <CraHan> so the cable is fine and the nic works too
[08:54] <CraHan> I'm reinstalling ubuntu now
[08:54] <Elim> have u tried what i suggested?
[08:54] <Elim> dhcpcd eth0
[08:54] <CraHan> elim not yet, as soon as this install ends I'm doing that
[08:54] <Elim> ok
[08:54] <CraHan> packages are nearly done installing again
[08:55] <CraHan> was just wondering if it was a known problem or not
[08:55] <robertj> although if he can't assign a static ip dhcpd wouldn't help unless he is telling it the wrong thing
[08:55] <CraHan> apparently not :)
[08:55] <robertj> or unless he is plugged into a super nifty router which ensured all ip's were assigned out on a dhcp lease
[08:55] <schvenk> how would i go about either relabeling or combining the Applications and Computer menus in the default GNOME config?
[08:55] <robertj> (which I wish I had)
[08:55] <CraHan> well, none of the other systems and this laptop with debian installed have a problem
[08:55] <robertj> CraHan: can you manually assign an IP  in Windows?
[08:55] <CraHan> yeah
[08:55] <Elim> i have a router so im used to dhcp ...
[08:56] <CraHan> the debian server uses a manually set ip
[08:56] <CraHan> only the laptops use dhcp
[08:56] <robertj> Okay, so that would seem to indicate you know a workable ip address and subnet
[08:56] <CraHan> and none of the other laptops have a dhcp problem
[08:56] <robertj> do you know your routers ip address?
[08:56] <CraHan> yeah 192.168.1.x and <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:56] <robertj> (internal, not external)
[08:56] <CraHan> <IP_ADDRESS> is the router
[08:56] <robertj> and it won't ping?
[08:56] <CraHan> gonna have to check
[08:56] <Lowe> crahan did you edit your /etc/resolv.conf
[08:57] <CraHan> Lowe: nope
[08:57] <robertj> Lowe: doesn't matter
[08:57] <CraHan> didn't touch that
[08:57] <robertj> his router will ping without a resolv.conf
[08:57] <CraHan> hang on, asks for screen res :)
[08:57] <Lowe> I think it does matter
[08:57] <CraHan> nearly done with the second install round *grin*
[08:57] <Lowe> that's what myproblem was
[08:57] <trukulo> Lowe: if you use ips, resolv.conf is irrelevant
[08:57] <CraHan> for 1 I can say you guys are the most helpful linux distro channel on freenode :)
[08:58] <CraHan> never did I enter a channel, ask a question; and get 4 people chipping in
[08:58] <Lowe> I put my ip in there
[08:58] <Lowe> And bam it worked.
[08:58] <CraHan> should be almost done
[08:58] <trukulo> he's trying to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:59] <CraHan> trukulo: as soon as I'm dumped into a prompt I'm gonna try and ping the router
[08:59] <Lowe> <IP_ADDRESS> is my modem setup lol
[08:59] <CraHan> I think <IP_ADDRESS> is a rather como
[08:59] <CraHan> oops
[08:59] <CraHan> common ip for a router/gateway
[08:59] <Lowe> yeah
[09:00] <CraHan> hmmm
[09:00] <CraHan> this registering documentation stage is taking its sweet time
[09:00] <robertj> CraHan: I noticed that, you are almost done
[09:00] <CraHan> ok
[09:00] <Lowe> Well i tried forhours to get it to work last night, and the only thing that made it work was /etc/resolv.conf
[09:00] <Lowe> yeah it was slow for me there aswell
[09:01] <CraHan> have to say the install was a breeze :)
[09:01] <CraHan> thank you for choosing unbuntu... You're welcome ;
[09:01] <CraHan> )
[09:01] <Lowe> yeah it's a nice installer
[09:01] <robertj> I don't know if I would say nice
[09:01] <CraHan> ok, gnome starting
[09:01] <CraHan> friendly :)
[09:02] <robertj> d-i is an effective installer but it's not what I would describe as nice
[09:02] <neill> robertj: how would you make it nice?
[09:02] <Lowe> I think it's nice, nicer than any gui installer lol.
[09:02] <neill> Is the problem how it looks?
[09:02] <neill> or the functionallity?
[09:02] <robertj> neill: partilly, yes
[09:02] <Lowe> who cares how it looks
[09:03] <Lowe> But i still think it looks nice lol
[09:03] <neill> iirc the new debian installer is mean't to take many front ends
[09:03] <CraHan> ok eepro loaded through modprobe
[09:03] <neill> so presumably a gui will be along at some point int the future for people who want that sort of thing
[09:03] <robertj> neill: and it may but it's not happening on upstream
[09:03] <robertj> also, second stage is a bit of a pain
[09:03] <CraHan> ok... tried sudo dhclient eth0
[09:03] <CraHan> no response
[09:04] <robertj> CraHan: does the router ping?
[09:04] <CraHan> time to setup a resolv.conf
[09:04] <robertj> CraHan: nope
[09:04] <robertj> CraHan: ping the router
[09:04] <robertj> if the router don't ping there is no reason to fiddle with resolv.conf
[09:04] <CraHan> nope
[09:04] <mteira> Hello.
[09:04] <CraHan> problem is there's no resolv.conf yet
[09:04] <mteira> Should a .deb be opened double clicking it?
[09:04] <robertj> and it shows up under ifconfig -a with an ip address when manually assigned
[09:04] <truk_away> CraHan: are you sure your router is <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[09:04] <CraHan> since for this install I disabled network support
[09:05] <robertj> CraHan: well that won't enable network support
[09:05] <CraHan> truk_away: yeah I'm very aware of all the ip's on my subnet :)
[09:05] <truk_away> CraHan: ok
[09:05] <CraHan> robertj: I loaded eepro, and now I'll write a resolv.conf and /etc/init.d/networking start
[09:05] <CraHan> so networking will come up
[09:05] <truk_away> CraHan: so ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <truk_away> ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:05] <CraHan> ah ok :)
[09:05] <mteira> It seems that no application is defined to open a .deb
[09:06] <robertj> CraHan: listen to truk
[09:06] <mteira> But instead of saying that, it throws an error.
[09:06] <robertj> he's away because he knows what he is doing and he's off being useful
[09:06] <CraHan> ok ifconfig now lists the eth0
[09:06] <robertj> ;)
[09:06] <CraHan> pinging now
[09:06] <truk_away> robertj: that's right ;)
[09:06] <CraHan> nope
[09:06] <CraHan> destination host unreachable
[09:06] <neill> Nonphasis: did it all go well?
[09:07] <truk_away> CraHan: try : router add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:07] <Nonphasis> neill, i'm having some problemns
[09:07] <robertj> truk: he is pinging his gateway
[09:07] <Nonphasis> ide stuff
[09:07] <Nonphasis> can't see hda1
[09:07] <CraHan> nope
[09:07] <truk_away> robertj: i know, but perhaps has a bad route table
[09:07] <CraHan> no dice
[09:07] <Nonphasis> it worked fine on sarge/2.6.7 kernel
[09:07] <robertj> truk: he's off a fresh install
[09:07] <truk_away> robertj: i know, but perhaps it's a bug
[09:07] <neill> Nonphasis: what motherboard/chipset do you have?
[09:07] <CraHan> yeah I had no problem when debian was installed
[09:08] <robertj> lsmod|grep ee
[09:08] <CraHan> and 10 minutes ago I was installing debian over the network
[09:08] <CraHan> so the nic does work fine
[09:08] <Nonphasis> my SATA drive works as sda (it was hde on sarge)
[09:08] <Nonphasis> kt400
[09:08] <Nonphasis> silicon image sata
[09:08] <neill> and it shows up as sda?
[09:08] <neill> rather than hda?
[09:08] <Nonphasis> yes
[09:08] <CraHan> e100, eepro100
[09:08] <Nonphasis> no, it was hde
[09:08] <CraHan> and mii
[09:08] <neill> it was hde and is now sda?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> hda (PATA) is not there at all
[09:09] <CraHan> those are the modules thtat come up
[09:09] <truk_away> CraHan: can you cat here ifconfig?
[09:09] <Nonphasis> neill, yes
[09:09] <CraHan> erhm
[09:09] <truk_away> well, ifconfig eth0
[09:09] <CraHan> kinda hard since I'm typing this on a different system
[09:09] <Nonphasis> also, left handed mouse doesn't work
[09:09] <truk_away> CraHan: umm, right
[09:09] <CraHan> hehe
[09:09] <truk_away> CraHan: try dhclient
[09:09] <neill> I'd guess that's because the kernel you were using had the SATA drivers as ide drivers but the new kernel is using the ?libsata? driver that is in the SCSI subsystem, so it looks like a scsi disk
[09:09] <truk_away> r u sure your router has dhcpd ?
[09:10] <neill> Nonphasis: is it causing a problem or were you just concerned by the difference?
[09:10] <CraHan> truk_away: this ibook uses dhcp to get an ip
[09:10] <robertj> sudo cat /proc/interrupts|grep eth0
[09:10] <Nonphasis> neill, probably. 2.6.8 on sarge didn't see sata at all
[09:10] <CraHan> and the debian install from 10 minutes ago configred fine through dhcp
[09:10] <Nonphasis> neill, sata is no problem. PATA is
[09:10] <robertj> truk: I don't understand why he wouldnt be up if he manually assigned the address
[09:10] <truk_away> CraHan: so don't know
[09:11] <Nonphasis> neill, I have both sata and pata drives, hda = pata = not there
[09:11] <truk_away> robertj: it seems a module problem or something like this
[09:11] <Lowe> I had the exact same problem im telling you. /etc/resolv.conf will fix it *yawn*
[09:11] <Nonphasis> and /boot is on hda
[09:11] <CraHan> robertj: here's the output from that grep: 11: 100000  XT-PIC uhci_hcd, uhci_hcd, Intel 82801-ICH2, Intel ICH Modem, eth0
[09:12] <neill> Nonphasis: ah. I see. sorry
[09:12] <robertj> hrm
[09:12] <CraHan> that's 82801BA-ICH2
[09:12] <neill> so the problem is that you can't access the PATA IDE disk hda but can access SATA disks?
[09:12] <CraHan> could it be that I need another module for the nic?
[09:12] <Nonphasis> it boots kinda ok, complains that fs is crap and suggests repairing, ctrl+d skips ok, after boot hda is no more
[09:13] <Nonphasis> neill, exactly
[09:13] <truk_away> CraHan: could be
[09:13] <robertj> seems a bit crowded, but it should owrk
[09:13] <Nonphasis> neill, exact mobo is abit kd7s
[09:13] <robertj> dmesg|grep ee?
[09:13] <Nonphasis> hmm
[09:14] <CraHan> lots of acpi errors
[09:14] <CraHan> hmmm
[09:14] <robertj> thats just power management, ignore that
[09:14] <CraHan> and some stuff about eepro100.c: eepro_init_module: Probe is very dangerous on ISA boards
[09:15] <Nonphasis> which module? I have libata, via82cxxx already
[09:15] <CraHan> and add autodetect=1 to force probe
[09:15] <truk_away> CraHan: AH ! try booting with append of nolacpi
[09:15] <neill> Nonphasis: dunno tbh.
[09:15] <CraHan> truk_away: ok, just add that at the grub prompt?
[09:15] <neill> I would have thought the via82cxxx would have done it.
[09:15] <truk_away> CraHan: yes
[09:15] <neill> anyone else have any ideas about the KT400 IDE module?
[09:15] <truk_away> nolapic
[09:15] <robertj> truk: interesting, clue me in on what evil that might do
[09:15] <truk_away> sorry
[09:15] <truk_away> nolapic
[09:16] <truk_away> it won't load local apic
[09:16] <CraHan> ok
[09:16] <truk_away> lot of hardware has problems with that
[09:16] <truk_away> mine included
[09:16] <punkass> me too
[09:16] <jsubl2> anyone know the secret to getting ntpdate to work
[09:16] <CraHan> ok added and booting now
[09:17] <truk_away> CraHan: ok, tell us
[09:17] <CraHan> hang on, booting
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS)
[09:17] <CraHan> starting its services
[09:17] <neill> Nonphasis: does lspsci show a IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586B PIPC Bus Master IDE ?
[09:17] <robertj> and since we prudently were lazy and didn't edit any configuration files, it should be happy ;)
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:11.1
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0
[09:17] <Nonphasis> VP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide1
[09:18] <Nonphasis> and ide0, ide1 are sata i think
[09:18] <neill> are you booting off the SATA disk?
[09:18] <CraHan> truk_away: nope, still the same
[09:18] <robertj> Haha, did anyone else see the City of Lost Devices :)
[09:18] <Nonphasis> 0000:00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[09:19] <punkass> anyone know why, when i close the lid to the laptop the backlight stays on?
[09:19] <Nonphasis> kernel = ata, / = sata
[09:19] <robertj> how do you know you are using the ee module on woody?
[09:19] <CraHan> good question
[09:20] <toothpick> realtek sound support isn't too good in linux =( I'll have to open my box one day and put my old sb16 card in there...I hate playing chromium with no sound effects.
[09:20] <robertj> second, have you tried apt-get installing a 2.6 kernel
[09:20] <CraHan> I always compiled in the etherexpress 100 module when I built my kernels
[09:20] <CraHan> and that one worked
[09:20] <robertj> and did it not work without it?
[09:20] <CraHan> that was the only one I tried and I thought thta was  the one that's loaded when installing debian
[09:21] <robertj> did you disable the other builtins?
[09:21] <robertj> lets take a different approach
[09:21] <CraHan> when compiling kernel?
[09:21] <robertj> is this a pci card or on-board?
[09:21] <neill> Nonphasis: hmm I'm not sure why that isn't working with the via module
[09:22] <neill> and I've got to dash now. sorry.
[09:22] <robertj> yeah, when compiling, but lets not deal with that for now
[09:22] <robertj> is it on board or a card?
[09:22] <Nonphasis> neill, ok, thx anyway :)
[09:22] <CraHan> robertj: it's a laptop, so I'm assuming onboard
[09:22] <robertj> oky,
[09:22] <CraHan> no pcmcia card
[09:22] <robertj> what laptop?
[09:22] <CraHan> toshiba satelite pro 4600
[09:22] <neill> Nonphasis: you could try the ubuntu-users mailing list
[09:22] <neill> or file a bug.
[09:23] <Nonphasis> neill, i'm going for the bug report
[09:23] <neill> k
[09:24] <robertj> so does lsmod show e100?
[09:24] <robertj> not ee100
[09:24] <CraHan> hang on; just rebooted
[09:24] <CraHan> lemme try that
[09:24] <CraHan> see what comes up in the module list
[09:25] <schvenk> how would i go about either relabeling or combining the Applications and Computer menus in the default GNOME config?
[09:25] <robertj> also, you are talking about the wired lan right?
[09:25] <CraHan> robertj: yes wired lan
[09:25] <Nonphasis> aargh, I would need a bugzilla account
[09:25] <robertj> its a wvlan card, any problems with just bringing that online?
[09:25] <Nonphasis> I'm going for the mailing list ;-)
[09:26] <Nonphasis> won't debian-like bug reporting work?
[09:26] <CraHan> no wvlan card to test with
[09:26] <joh_> hi
[09:26] <robertj> this page says that model has builtin
[09:26] <joh_> What is the easy way to get mono in ubuntu?
[09:26] <robertj> perhaps not all of them
[09:26] <CraHan> robertj: this model came without the wvlan thing
[09:26] <robertj> but but was e100 loaded?
[09:27] <CraHan> checking now
[09:27] <truk_away> From web: Works with eepro100 module.
[09:27] <CraHan> yeah
[09:27] <jsubl2> joh_, tseng has packages add to your /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs ./
[09:27] <CraHan> lsmod | grep e100 says e100, eepro100 and mii
[09:27] <truk_away> modprobe eepro100 and try again CraHan
[09:28] <truk_away> anyway, if ifconfig works, module works
[09:28] <Lowe> brb
[09:28] <CraHan> truk_away: eepro100 is already loaded
[09:28] <robertj> no e100
[09:28] <robertj> not eepro100
[09:28] <CraHan> yeah that too
[09:28] <truk_away> CraHan: yes, anyway, if ifconfig works right, module is correct
[09:28] <CraHan> they're both in there
[09:29] <CraHan> e100 and eepro100
[09:29] <truk_away> CraHan: what netmask do you have in router?
[09:29] <CraHan> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:29] <truk_away> is it class C or B ?
[09:29] <truk_away> umm, ok
[09:29] <CraHan> my gf is working on the fileserver atm
[09:30] <joh_> jsubl2: thanks!
[09:30] <CraHan> she uses dhcp and has no problems getting to local machines
[09:30] <CraHan> I don't have any trouble with this ibook either
[09:30] <truk_away> can you look ifconfig in your actual computer? not ubuntu
[09:30] <CraHan> yeah sure
[09:30] <robertj> does dmesg output confirm nolapic too keffect?
[09:31] <CraHan> robertj: rebooted without the nolapic option again, since there was no change when I added it
[09:31] <CraHan> want me to paste the ifconfig for this system here?
[09:31] <truk_away> CraHan: yes, but only for eth0
[09:31] <CraHan> will be a few lines (8 or so)
[09:31] <CraHan> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:66:D0:1C
[09:31] <CraHan>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:31] <CraHan>           UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[09:31] <CraHan>           RX packets:144578 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[09:31] <truk_away> query if you want
[09:31] <CraHan>           TX packets:166096 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[09:31] <CraHan>           collisions:523 txqueuelen:1000
[09:31] <CraHan>           RX bytes:23437844 (22.3 MiB)  TX bytes:23423641 (22.3 MiB)
[09:31] <CraHan>           Interrupt:10 Base address:0x3000
[09:32] <CraHan> that's from the fileserver running debian
[09:32] <truk_away> umm, what ip address are you using in ubuntu?
[09:32] <CraHan> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:32] <CraHan> fileserver can get  to the net fine and can contact all other systems on the network
[09:32] <jono> hi all
[09:32] <D1> jono!
[09:32] <truk_away> umm, strange, don't know where could be the problem
[09:32] <CraHan> same here :)
[09:33] <CraHan> kinda out of ideas
[09:33] <jono> hi Dl
[09:33] <D1> grr
[09:33] <jono> D1
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: sure
[09:33] <D1> sorry stupid name
[09:33] <jono> hehe
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: change wire?
[09:33] <D1> <- David (and Kat)
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: stupid, but...
[09:33] <jono> oh heya :)
[09:33] <jono> hows it going?
[09:33] <D1> fine thanks
[09:33] <CraHan> truk_away: wire was plugged in during the debian install before I tried ubuntu and it installed fine from the internet
[09:33] <truk_away> CraHan: i know
[09:34] <jono> if I get the kernel source for the kernel with ubuntu, does it include the config file?
[09:34] <truk_away> CraHan: that's what i said stupid
[09:34] <HcE> I would guess kernel-headers jono
[09:34] <CraHan> truk_away: ah ok :)
[09:34] <D1> jono - see /boot
[09:34] <jono> I basically need to recompile my kernel so I can patch it with another driver
[09:34] <D1> there's a config file there
[09:35] <jono> D1 - do I stick that in /usr/src/linux?
[09:35] <[DG] > yeah...
[09:35] <CraHan> if I remember correctly debian used the eexpress module
[09:35] <[DG] > but obviously rename it to .config, then "make oldconfig" and  "make"
[09:36] <CraHan> so it might be that I need that module
[09:36] <truk_away> CraHan: so modprobe eexpress
[09:36] <robertj> okay, turk, hrmm, is it possible e100 is not aliased to eth0
[09:36] <robertj> and that the sometimes funky ee100 is being used instead?
[09:36] <CraHan> no such device or address
[09:36] <truk_away> robertj: very strange, indeed
[09:36] <truk_away> if ifconfig eth0 works...
[09:37] <truk_away> module has to work
[09:37] <robertj> well theoretically
[09:37] <robertj> from what I read e100 is the driver for him to be using
[09:37] <jono> ok, so I should be able to get the kernel source, copy over the config file and roll my own kernel
[09:37] <truk_away> robertj: i read is eepro100
[09:37] <jono> right, need to reboot
[09:38] <jono> brb
[09:38] <[DG] > indeed
[09:38] <robertj> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg04623.html
[09:38] <truk_away> http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html
[09:39] <robertj> Truk: those kernels aren't anywhere near 2.6
[09:40] <truk_away> robertj: you're right
[09:40] <truk_away> but if ifconfig works...
[09:40] <robertj> Core 2 runs 2.6
[09:40] <mike_w> Hi.. I'm trying to invoke grub-install fd0, but I get an Error21: selected disk does not exist
[09:40] <robertj> truk: lo is a network interface that "works" as well, but he's not going to be able to ping his router using it ;)
[09:40] <CraHan> haha
[09:41] <truk_away> CraHan: ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:41] <robertj> Cra: try to rmmod all those modules, then probe in e100 then restart networking
[09:41] <truk_away> in ubuntu, yes
[09:42] <CraHan> robertj: was just doing that, rmmod'd all the eepro stuff and tried each of the modules in turn: eepro, e100, eexpress and eepro100
[09:42] <robertj> what did dmesg have to say?
[09:42] <CraHan> eexpress errored
[09:42] <CraHan> lemme take a look
[09:44] <CraHan> truk_away: I can ping my own ip when set, now looking at dmesg
[09:44] <mike_w> can anyone tell me how to install grub on a floppy?
[09:44] <CraHan> when loading eepro100 it says in dmesg:
[09:44] <CraHan> eepro100.c revbision info, author, blabla
[09:45] <CraHan> ACPI: no GSI using IRQ 11
[09:45] <Elim> help
[09:45] <robertj> what about e100
[09:45] <Elim> how do i log into root i dont know the password
[09:45] <truk_away> crahan, try reboot with noacpi
[09:45] <phlaegel> Elim: you don't, you use sudo
[09:45] <CraHan> eth0: OEM i82557/i82558 10/100 Ethernet, mac addy, irq
[09:45] <CraHan> truk_away: okido
[09:45] <CraHan> doing that now
[09:45] <mike_w> Elim: or you can sudo root passwd
[09:46] <CraHan> rebooting now
[09:46] <phlaegel> you could, but it's not a great idea...
[09:46] <truk_away> phlaegel: we're only trying
[09:46] <punkass> anyone used this 'radeontool' for there laptops.. to get the backlight to turn off?
[09:46] <mike_w> phlaegel: why?
[09:46] <phlaegel> truk_away: that was for mike_w
[09:46] <CraHan> booting
[09:46] <truk_away> phlaegel: ok
[09:46] <Elim> ok sudo asks for a password
[09:47] <Loduriel> Is it a known bug that rhythmbox segfault when importing big folders?
[09:47] <mike_w> Elim: same as primary user
[09:47] <phlaegel> Elim: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.5722653677/faq_view
[09:47] <phlaegel> mike_w: because it's better security practice to limit your use of the root user. sudo is a good way to do it.
[09:47] <truk_away> i agree with phlaegel
[09:47] <Wsquared> Wow, pretty busy in here!
[09:48] <CraHan> ok so I added noacpi at the end of the grub bootline
[09:48] <CraHan> but it didn't help apparently
[09:48] <Elim> ok the password doesnt seem to work as i type in the password for my user (the only one) and it doesn twork
[09:49] <CraHan> dmesg still talks about acpi though
[09:49] <takatumi> isnt it acpi=noacpi?
[09:49] <Kosai> Elim: Try it again?  :)
[09:49] <CraHan> takatumi: is it?
[09:49] <truk_away> CraHan: strange, because it's supossed acpi not loaded
[09:49] <takatumi> not sure
[09:50] <tvon> tseng: ayt
[09:50] <CraHan> I pressed E at  the kernel line in grub
[09:50] <CraHan> went to the linux line, pressed E
[09:50] <Wsquared> I just uncommented the universe lines in sources.list, and ran Synaptic, but I get this warning: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:50] <CraHan> added noacpi
[09:50] <CraHan> and pressed B to boot
[09:50] <tvon> tseng: I'm looking for the blam source package so I can build an updated one, do you have it handy?
[09:50] <truk_away> CraHan: that's right
[09:51] <phlaegel> Wsquared: you need to either refresh in synaptic or run sudo apt-get update
[09:51] <CraHan> I grepped for acpi and: Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noacpi, came up
[09:52] <mike_w> phlaegel: sorry to be a pest, how do I install grub on fd0? I just get an error..
[09:52] <CraHan> so I'm assuming it accepted the line
[09:52] <seth_slackware> hey
[09:52] <seth_slackware> any one need a gmail acount?
[09:52] <mike_w> sure!
[09:52] <DimSum|Sleep> Everyone has a Gmail account, lol
[09:52] <DimSum|Sleep> Wtf? I'm not asleep
[09:52] <CraHan> I think I still have about 5 to give away I think
[09:52] <phlaegel> mike_w: not sure if there's a trick with floppies or not. I've hardly touched grub, and I haven't had a floppy drive in my machines in years...
[09:53] <DimSum> CraHan: 6 ;P
[09:53] <DimSum> Gmail fills everyone's accounts up to 6
[09:53] <DimSum> like every day
[09:53] <CraHan> heh
[09:53] <mike_w> phlaegel: thanks anyway
[09:53] <CraHan> good point
[09:53] <Wsquared> Phlaegel: Argh, I should have know that. Thanks.
[09:53] <seth_slackware> TOOTHPICK
[09:54] <CraHan> lemme try acpi=off
[09:54] <toothpick> If linux had a gradebook as good as thinkwave educator or even teacher toolbox I could probably get some more people using it.
[09:54] <toothpick> What's up seth_slackware ?
[09:54] <seth_slackware>  not much
[09:54] <seth_slackware> i am going to try this ubuntu
[09:54] <toothpick> seth_slackware: you ever hear of directbox.com?
[09:54] <seth_slackware> no
[09:54] <toothpick> they have 1.5 gigs of mail space...but it appears to be in german.
[09:55] <seth_slackware> O
[09:55] <seth_slackware> i don't speck german , so that no good to me
[09:55] <toothpick> me neither.
[09:55] <Wsquared> OK, now in Synaptic, after hitting Refresh, I get a warning window with the heading "Failed to download all index files"
[09:56] <seth_slackware> does this distro have xfce4
[09:56] <seth_slackware> ?
[09:56] <Wsquared> ... and in the text box in the window it says: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:56] <CraHan> ok guys`
[09:56] <CraHan> WORKING :)
[09:56] <CraHan> pinging the server
[09:56] <truk_away> CraHan: what was the problem?
[09:56] <Elim> ok i have a dhcp network how do i set it up when dhcp isnt installed?
[09:57] <truk_away> acpi=off ?
[09:57] <CraHan> acpi
[09:57] <CraHan> yeqh
[09:57] <truk_away> fucking acpi
[09:57] <CraHan> that did the trick
[09:57] <toothpick> you could apt-get install it seth_slackware
[09:57] <seth_slackware> ok
[09:57] <CraHan> well, another lesson learned I guess :)
[09:57] <Elim> ok i have a dhcp network how do i set it up when dhcp isnt installed?
[09:58] <Elim> anyone?
[09:59] <CraHan> dhcp works fine too
[09:59] <CraHan> all dandy now :)
[09:59] <Elim> not for me it doesnt
[10:00] <Elim> i could set a root up so now thats good now how do i set up dhcp?
[10:00] <Wsquared> And now, after closing the previous error message, I get a new warning: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_main_binary-i386_Packages)
[10:00] <CraHan> thanks truk_away  and robertj
[10:00] <mike_w> Elim: sorry, don't know. I set mine up during the install process
[10:00] <trey_> seth_slackware, debian repositories work fine with Ubuntu... packages.debian.org
[10:00] <phlaegel> Wsquared: do you basically have the default sources.list?
[10:00] <seth_slackware> ok
[10:01] <keifer> Wsquared : try commenting out the origonal two lines of the list.
[10:01] <keifer> trey_: they do? You mean, i can get my kde3.3?
[10:01] <punkass> how can i tell if the laptop goes into 'standby' or 'hibernate' mode when i close the lid
[10:02] <trey_> keifer, yes... if there are arguments though, the debian package is chosen (u comes after . or - apparently)
[10:03] <Wsquared> phlaegel, keifer: Ah, I see. I only uncommented the lines that include universe, but I left the previous two lines (with just main and restricted).
[10:04] <trey_> keifer, according to ubuntu's site, its not advised for this reason...
[10:05] <trey_> keifer, one question:
[10:05] <keifer> yes?
[10:05] <trey_> Why would you use Ubuntu with KDE?
[10:06] <trey_> Why not just Debian? I mean Ubuntu is just Sarge with GNOME 2.8 right now
[10:06] <keifer> dunno - just to do it I guess. :P
[10:06] <Qerub> trey_: Because Ubuntu is easier to get up and running? :)
[10:06] <keifer> plus, i can't get debian to install.
[10:07] <keifer> the installer like hates me. :P
[10:07] <trey_> Qerub, its really not though... sarge and ubuntu both use debian-installer right now...
[10:07] <keifer> deb works fine untill I reboot, then Xfree raises hell
[10:07] <trey_> keifer, oh, still using boot-floppies? its out dated...
[10:08] <schvenk> granted i'm working on a powerbook, but i was unable to get sarge to install after multiple attempts, while ubuntu was problem-free, took like an hour and worked on the first try, supports my hardware near-perfectly
[10:08] <Qerub> trey_: I said it's *easier*. I'm not saying that installing Debian with d-i is hard.
[10:08] <keifer> schvenk: ah, a fellow ppc users. You got working sound?
[10:09] <schvenk> yeah, like a charm. PBG4 DVI 667MHz
[10:09] <trey_> Qerub, Ubuntu basically gets rid of a few customization choices that are easy to figure out, takes away root, and picks packages for you... how is this easier?
[10:09] <keifer> hmmmm, I don't have any sound - maybe it's an imac thing
[10:09] <schvenk> dunno
[10:09] <schvenk> i wish i could say i did something in particular to make it happen, but i just installed it
[10:09] <keifer> lol
[10:10] <schvenk> i assume you've checked all the basic stuff like is the volume up?
[10:10] <Qerub> trey_: I'm thinking of your first and third point. :)
[10:10] <punkass> check alsamixer...make sure you have to channels muted
[10:10] <Wsquared> keifer, phlaegel: OK, that's better. Thanks.  Next question (sure to be a FAQ): Is there no DVD player in universe? gxine? ogle?
[10:11] <phlaegel> Wsquared: no, it's a legal issue
[10:11] <phlaegel> Wsquared: the marillat source comes in handy...
[10:11] <trey_> Qerub, them picking packages made things for complicated for me... having to get situated to a new package set is annoying... that and the root thing is ALL that aren't a part of d-i
[10:12] <schvenk> anyone feel like helping with a couple gnome config questions?
[10:12] <Qerub> trey_: Mhmhmmh. Nevermind.
[10:12] <trey_> phlaegel, his w32codecs and ffmpeg packages don't appear to work with totem-gstreamer... any better luck there?
[10:13] <trey_> Qerub, *shrug* I'm used to 'apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-core kernel-image-2.6-k7 debfoster' being my first command when I reinstall...
[10:14] <Qerub> trey_: BTW, are w32codecs supposed to work with gstreamer?
[10:14] <trey_> Qerub, having to fix X because the auto discovery sucks made me mad
[10:14] <jono> hia ll
[10:14] <jono> hi all rather
[10:14] <phlaegel> trey_: I switched immediately to totem-xine...
[10:14] <Qerub> trey_: Yes, me too. But I'm more concerned about the "average Joe user" installing it.
[10:15] <Wsquared> ... "average joe user" ... Hey, that's me.
[10:15] <trey_> Qerub, no idea actually... they're not even listed in "Add proprietary plugins" which would be a good start  :/
[10:15] <trey_> phlaegel, I despize xine  :/
[10:16] <phlaegel> it works for me. better than gstreamer, anyway.
[10:16] <trey_> mplayer > *
[10:16] <phlaegel> although, I really mostly use totem for dvds, mplayer for just about everything else.
[10:17] <jono> if I want to compile a seperate kernel module, do I need to actually recompile my kernel, or can I just use the distro kernel and install the source
[10:18] <trey_> jono, yes? kernel-headers is installed I think... so it should just compile... try it and see...
[10:18] <trey_> apt-get install build-essential first though
[10:18] <jono> trey_, cheers dude
[10:18] <cgdef> I have a weird problem
[10:19] <cgdef> my system says that gcc is not found
[10:19] <trey_> cgdef, thats not wierd
[10:19] <cgdef> doesn't ubuntu install gcc by default
[10:19] <jono> trey_, I am getting the  linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> source
[10:19] <trey_> apt-get install build-essential
[10:19] <toothpick> apt-get install make
[10:19] <toothpick> trey_: do that
[10:19] <toothpick> rather do what trey_ said
[10:19] <toothpick> I'm confused
[10:19] <trey_> toothpick, apt-cache show build-essential  ;)
[10:19] <schvenk> keifer: i don't suppose you've figured out how to do something with the command key on your keyboard?
[10:19] <cgdef> wait so ubuntu does not install the build system?
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, guess not  :/
[10:20] <punkass> ok i have  ndiswrapper in /etc/modules and i have reboot a pile of times and never had a problem..then all of a sudden i do a reboot and it hangs at ndiswrapper
[10:20] <cgdef> that sux
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, else it would be installed, no?  :/
[10:20] <cgdef> yeah I thought so too
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, not really... its a command away  :/
[10:20] <trey_> cgdef, stop complaining, and apt-get install build-essential
[10:21] <cgdef> I wasn't complaining just commenting :)
[10:21] <punkass> if i take ndiswrapper out.. and boot its fine.. and i can modprobe ndiswrapper no problem
[10:21] <jono> hmmm it says make: *** /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-2-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[10:22] <jono> where do I get that build thing?
[10:22] <punkass> i believe you link it to the source dir
[10:22] <cgdef> I really new to debian like systems and for the last 2 years I have been using Slackware non stop so is there a good tutorial site or something that woudl help me in the transition?
[10:22] <trey_> jono, you just type it  :/
[10:22] <jono> trey_, I install build essential but I can compile my driver
[10:22] <jono> punkass, was that for me?
[10:22] <tseng> tvon: they are in Sid
[10:22] <punkass> yeah
[10:22] <durand> does anyone know how I can install/get wvdial?
[10:22] <jono> punkass, what do i do?
[10:23] <jono> symlink build to /usr/src/linux?
[10:23] <punkass> yes linux-2.6.8-xxxx
[10:23] <trey_> cgdef, 'think lazy' would pretty much be good advice... debconf is your friend, learn it... should be easy...
[10:23] <jono> punkass, ok I will try
[10:23] <jono> punkass, is that a common thing?
[10:23] <trey_> jono, you also need kernel-headers for modules to be added to the current kernel...
[10:23] <cgdef> trey_:thanks
[10:23] <phlaegel> durand: it's in universe
[10:24] <durand> thanks
[10:24] <jono> trey_, got that :)
[10:24] <punkass> not sure.. was trying to build something earlier and thats what it told me to do
[10:24] <trey_> apt-get install kernel-headers-{uname -r}
[10:24] <cgdef> trey_: apt-get installed gcc 3.3.4 and there is also 3.4.2 how do I tell it to update it?
[10:24] <jono> punkass, oh cool
[10:25] <cgdef> *upgrade it
[10:25] <whiprush> do you have them both installed cgdef?
[10:25] <cgdef> no but they are both listed in the gui installer
[10:25] <Wsquared> Is there a FAQ somewhere that answers why gcc is not installed?
[10:25] <trey_> cgdef, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:26] <phlaegel> Wsquared: it's a desktop distro, intended more for non-technical users.
[10:26] <cgdef> well the thing is that when I update apt-get I get an error that one of the index files cannot be resolved
[10:26] <whiprush> http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals <--- good place to start cgdef
[10:26] <trey_> Wsquared, "we didn't select it in the script" is about as precise as they will get...
[10:26] <cgdef> whiprush:thanks for the info
[10:26] <cgdef> will look through it
[10:27] <trey_> cgdef, you did apt-get update first? apt-get -f install
[10:27] <whiprush> the "Debian Reference" is awesome imo.
[10:28] <trey_> (apt-get --fix install)
[10:31] <cgdef> man this is infinitelly easier compared to slackware
[10:31] <cgdef> of cource I already expected that ...
[10:31] <sivang> cgdef : don't say infinitelly, say "ingillegently" :)
[10:32] <cgdef> lol
[10:32] <cgdef> yeah what he said
[10:35] <Lowe[Sleeping] > how would i add this repository? http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian/packages/unstable/
[10:36] <jmhodges> ok, hey.. silly question
[10:36] <jmhodges> i manually edited my parititions
[10:36] <sivang> jmhodges : ok, and ?
[10:36] <jmhodges> but now the install is freezing at "Retrieving bsdutils.."
[10:36] <jmhodges> thsi is using 2 different downloads of the iso and 2 different cds
[10:36] <jmhodges> i looked at F3
[10:36] <jmhodges> and found this message printed twice
[10:36] <jmhodges> "No matching physical volumes founds"
[10:37] <jmhodges> "No volume groups found"
[10:37] <jmhodges> "reading all physical volumes. This may take a while.."
[10:37] <jmhodges> now i tried to do the Configure LVM thing by hand, but it was tossing me back with the same errors (this time in ncurses)
[10:37] <jmhodges> what did i do wrong in my parititioning?
[10:37] <sivang> jmhodges : Were you trying to use a logical volume manager configuration?
[10:37] <jmhodges> nope
[10:37] <jmhodges> well.. i dont think so
[10:37] <Elim> i cannot connect to the inet on my mac the setup only allows me to setup a ppp conection but i use a dhcp
[10:38] <jmhodges> sivang: i deleted a partition i had and then used the "auto partition" to take care of it
[10:38] <sivang> jmhodges : ok, and freezed and never came back?
[10:39] <jmhodges> no, what happened is that it Went Red^(tm)
[10:39] <sivang> Elim : you have a dhcp authentication connection? (cable)
[10:39] <sivang> jmhodges : what did the error message said?
[10:39] <sivang> hey keybuk
[10:39] <jmhodges> sivang: oh damn.. now i cant remember.. thats the one i didnt write down.. damn.. but i do remember there being kernel errors in F3 .. mentioned logical
[10:40] <jmhodges> dammit, i thought that was the error message i would remember
[10:40] <jmhodges> sorry, i suppose i could just head back and copy that back down
[10:40] <Elim> i have adsl connected to a router which have several computers connected too my problem is i didnt have the cable conected during the install so i cant connect how do i do it manually
[10:41] <sivang> Elim : you can either reboot, ubuntu will try to dhcp a connection upon boot - or in a terminal do
[10:41] <punkass> Computer > System Config > Networking
[10:41] <punkass> you can add a connection
[10:41] <sivang> Elim : ifup eth0 (on i386)
[10:41] <hypatia> that particular dialog is pretty crashy
[10:41] <sivang> ELim : or the equivalen on the mac
[10:42] <sivang> ELim : ifup will try to fire up the device and dhcp configure it
[10:42] <jono> is kernel-header-(uname -r) in linux-kernel-headers?
[10:43] <punkass> anyone know why a module would just stop loading at boot time?
[10:43] <Elim> it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[10:43] <punkass> i havent changed anything..
[10:43] <sivang> Elim : sorry it's not eth0 on mac, it has some other name
[10:43] <punkass> and i can modprobe it fine when i booted up
[10:43] <Wsquared> Is this correct: To use the marillat repository, I just add the line "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" to souces.list, and then apt-get update.
[10:44] <durand> How do I set up my modem in ubuntu without wvdial ?
[10:44] <Elim> okay i have found a dhcp .udeb on the cd how do i install it?
[10:45] <hypatia> durand: try "sudo pppconfig"
[10:45] <sivang> Elim : are you sure your system does not contain it already? :)
[10:45] <hypatia> durand: it isn't great though
[10:45] <sivang> Elim : are you on an already installed system?
[10:45] <Elim> im not sure there doent seem to be anything in bin
[10:45] <durand> hypatia: does it dial out and establish the connection?
[10:45] <sivang> Elim : you finished an ubuntu install ?
[10:46] <hypatia> durand: no
[10:46] <hypatia> durand: to actually dial out "sudo pon"
[10:46] <Elim> yes i did
[10:46] <hypatia> I believe "slightly more friendly dialup tools" are on the todo list somewhere
[10:46] <durand> hypatia: okay, thanks. that helps me out.
[10:46] <hypatia> I asked about it just before the public preview
[10:47] <mooch> any need for testing the installation process under ibook g3?
[10:47] <sivang> Elim : ok, what do you get when you do "ifup" ?
[10:47] <Elim> it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[10:48] <durand> hypatia: k, thanks! i'm going to go try
[10:48] <Elim> ifup lo  says its allready configured
[10:48] <Mitario> is there some page/document that describes convertig debian packages to ubuntu packages?
[10:49] <sivang> Elim : well, you can try to reboot when you are already connected and see if you have lan by dhcp
[10:49] <Mithrandir> Mitario: they are the same
[10:49] <mooch> Mitario: debian and ubuntu packages should be the same in the structure
[10:49] <mooch> Mitario: just compile the package under an ubuntu installed base and there you are
[10:50] <hypatia> Elim: You'll most likely need to fix up your /etc/network/interfaces file
[10:50] <Elim> i have and it doesn;'t work im gonna reinstall cos acording to the manual it auto configs it durning install and it was disconnected at the time
[10:50] <Elim> ok ill try that 1st
[10:50] <hypatia> Elim: "man interfaces" is a reasonable guide
[10:51] <hypatia> Elim: see also section 10.5 of http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html
[10:55] <jmhodges> ok, thats why i thought i would remember it
[10:55] <jmhodges> it tells me to look at vc3
[10:55] <jmhodges> and all it says beyond that message i already put up
[10:55] <jmhodges> "cp: Read error: Input/output error"
[10:55] <punkass> is there some sort of GUI disk mounter in Ubuntu?
[10:56] <sivang> jmhodges : how did you download your iso ?
[10:57] <jmhodges> sivang: through firefox
[10:57] <jmhodges> sivang: twice, over a cable connection
[10:57] <jmhodges> and i've burned the second download on two separate discs and neither worked
[10:57] <sivang> jmhodges : ok, that looks like you've got a bad iso or probably something went bad on the downlaod. try using rsync
[10:57] <jmhodges> argh
[10:57] <sivang> jmhodges : or a bittorrent link
[10:58] <jmhodges> i can't.. the burner is over on a windows only box
[10:58] <jmhodges> fsck..
[10:58] <sivang> sivang : if you already got the iso at hand, you might want to just do an rsync against it - it would fix the broken parts.
[10:58] <housetier> is ubuntu available for jigdo?
[10:58] <jmhodges> sigh.. i guess i could find an rsync for windows utilities
[10:58] <jmhodges> s/utilities/utility/
[10:59] <sivang> punkass : there a media mounter standard un GNOME
[10:59] <sivang> punkass : it's more an applet, rather than a whole app.
[11:00] <punkass> where is that?... i want to mount an linux and xp partition
[11:06] <punkass> sivang: where do i find it?
[11:07] <sivang> jmhodges : i am no it will work with partition which are not listen in /etc/fstab
[11:08] <sivang> punkass : if you add the correct lines into that file, they would appear auto on the "disks" menu
[11:08] <punkass> into fstab?
[11:08] <sivang> punkass : yes.
[11:08] <punkass> k thanks
[11:24] <bmzf> hello people...
[11:24] <bmzf> i've had problems activating a linksys wireless card on a thinkpad t21
[11:24] <bmzf> anyone?
[11:25] <jmhodges> argh, whats the rsync server that has the warty iso on it?
[11:26] <phlaegel> rsync://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/current/warty-i386.iso
[11:26] <jmhodges> thanks
[11:26] <phlaegel> np
[11:27] <jmhodges> bah, i thought i had looked there, thanks a ton
[11:32] <bad_ronald> Hi, I was here yesterday with some sound issues, and I thought they were fixed, but I'm still having some trouble.
[11:32] <bad_ronald> Only the right speaker has playback
[11:33] <bad_ronald> and the headphone slider controls my speakers
[11:33] <bad_ronald> It's the alsa mixer, not the oss mixer, if that helps
[11:37] <bad_ronald> Can anyone help with the sound issue, or direct me to a webpage with some info?
[11:38] <punkass> bad_ronald: sorry i have never run into those problems before
[11:38] <punkass> it u make sure in alsamixer that both r and l are up
[11:39] <subterrific> any ppc gurus here?
[11:39] <bad_ronald> Yeah, they're all all the way up, and nothing is muted
[11:39] <IkeKrull> can anyone tell me if there is kernel source on the ubuntu PR CD?
[11:41] <schweeb> probably doesn't have the source
[11:41] <schweeb> probably have to apt-get it
[11:41] <bad_ronald> I tried the audio output in Knoppix, and it still worked, so I don't think something happened to the soundcard or loose wires, etc.
[11:41] <IkeKrull> meh.. i want to install the source on a machine with no internet conenction
[11:42] <IkeKrull> well, it has a PCI wireless card in it
[11:42] <IkeKrull> but it needs a module compiled
[11:43] <robertj> Hrmm, Frozen Bubble needs to go into warty ;)
[11:43] <robertj> I believe it falls under the special exemption category
[11:43] <robertj> How is anyone supposed to get any work done if they are undergoing severe withdrawl
[11:44] <theantix> does the debian frozen-bubble play nicely with gnome?  the fedora one sure doesn't -- problems with sound and you can't close via the "X" icon.
[11:45] <Netwolf> hello
[11:45] <Deft> IkeKrull, it isn't on the cd, but you could fit the packages on a usb pen or something
[11:45] <Netwolf> I LOVE ubuntu
[11:45] <IkeKrull> Deft: yeah can do that.. where do i get the packages from though?
[11:45] <Netwolf> thanks guyz...
[11:46] <Deft> simple way would be to get them straight from kernel.org, they are almost the same
[11:46] <Netwolf> can we add debian package lists to apt-get.conf?
[11:46] <Netwolf> or would that screw up ubuntu?
[11:46] <IkeKrull> ok, and what about kernel config, can i just zcat /proc/kconfig or whatever?
[11:46] <Deft> Netwolf, maybe...
[11:46] <subterrific> Netwolf: there is a FAQ about that
[11:46] <schweeb> it's not recommended to add debian lists
[11:47] <schweeb> but possible
[11:47] <SystemX_> i added sid to it and i haven't had any trouble
[11:47] <subterrific> it says you can, but its not a good idea
[11:47] <Deft> IkeKrull, unzip the source, cd to it, run make oldconfig; should work anyway
[11:47] <jdub> GOOD MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS!
[11:47] <vincent> uh uh http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg
[11:47] <IkeKrull> Deft: ok, will try that, thanks
[11:47] <SystemX_> i thik as long as you don' try to install stuff that depends on this that are older then what is on the system you will be alright
[11:47] <Deft> jdub, morning? you've got that wrong for a start
[11:47] <vincent> jdub: good night
[11:47] <jdub> Deft: .au, dude :)
[11:48] <SystemX_> think* things*
[11:48] <crimsun> hehe
[11:48] <Wsquared> Hey there.  Has anyone gotten a DVD player to work?  Ogle, gxine, mplayer, anything? (I know ubuntu doesn't include one for legal reasons.)  I've added marillat's repository to sources.list, and installed w32codecs, libdvdcss2, vlc, mplayer, ogle, and other stuff, but none of the players work 100%.
[11:48] <maswan> jdub: good night, freedom lover. :)
[11:48] <robertj> Can anyone think of a way to make the icons in the task launcher bigger and have the icon descriptions show only on hover?
[11:49] <theantix> Wsquared, I got dvd working in mplayer working by using the debian-marillat repositories
[11:49] <schweeb> yea, marillat worked just fine for me
[11:49] <Deft> Wsquared, totem-xine + libdvdcss2 will do
[11:52] <phlaegel> ^^ that's all I did to get dvds working
[11:52] <Wsquared> When I run mplayer, I get an error message that says "alsa-conrol: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: No such file or directory".
[11:53] <theantix> Wsquared, yeah, switch to OSS sound output to get around that, or try what Deft and phlaegel suggest
[11:53] <Wsquared> Actually, the dvd plays, with sound, but the pop-up error message keeps flickering in front of the output window.
[11:53] <theantix> yup, same exact thing with me, just change the mplayer audio output to OSS
[11:54] <phlaegel> mplayer and alsa work fine here.
[11:55] <Netwolf> phlaegel: did you have compile mplayer yourself?
[11:55] <Netwolf> or are you using some mirror for debian?
[11:56] <phlaegel> marillat
[11:56] <Netwolf> s/for/from
[11:56] <Netwolf> I'm sorry I don't know what marillat is
[11:57] <Deft> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[11:57] <punkass> is there ways to test if my laptop is using less resoruces when unpluged...and when the lid is closed?
[11:59] <jvic> hi, i've just tried to install Ubuntu here, but apparently it won't let me specify which partitions i want Ubuntu to use. I went to the "Manually partition" screen, but it only lists my HD. Is that correct? It also gives me some more options about LVM, RAID, etc.