 I can’t do bot lol
[06:50] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Eoan Beta] (20190924) has been added
[11:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> @tsimonq2 D45 updated
[11:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> reading the draft release announcement now
 @aptghetto about the image, it is used next to Lubuntu entry. … About it's size, smaller sizes make it look pixelated in large displays. … Noted the suggestion for cfg file name and comments. I forgot to remove them after testing.
 Tag me here for further queries.
 Ok, I understand
[13:04] <guiverc> bug in #ubuntu-bugs-announce: I "marked 1845187 as invalid (lubuntu unsupported path LXDE->LXQt)"  - if I'm wrong you can tell me (though may have to be tomorrow.. I'm heading to bed)
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 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 you want to take care of tweaking those or what?], context please?
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 @tsimonq2 lugito death was due to a 500 error
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 but it's been having that error for six days, about as long as there's been issues with Freenode
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 @teward001 [@tsimonq2 lugito death was due to a 500 error], So fix it in code *shot*
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[15:05] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Unapproved: fwupdate (eoan-proposed/universe) [12-6 => 12-7] (lubuntu) (sync)
[15:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://phab.lubuntu.me/D45 updated again.
[15:11] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Needs Review] Added lubuntu-grub-theme: https://phab.lubuntu.me/D45
[15:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> ohh hii lugito !
[15:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> oops! I forgot to update the current time and date in it's dch. is that okay?
[15:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> xfce uses gtk apps right?
[15:20] <kc2bez> correct
[15:20] <kc2bez> new xfce is now gtk3
[15:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> ack.
[15:23] <kc2bez> The_LoudSpeaker: 18.04 is supported until 2021
[15:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> haa
[15:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> forgot
[15:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> sorry
[16:01] <che888> #ss -E don`t work ???
 What?
[16:04] <che888> command #ss -E 'socket  state Ivents ' print nothin' to STDOUT...
 Support is in #lubuntu but you're going to have to be clearer
[17:10] <wxl> @teward001 the context is in the backlog but tl;dr we can't use `arc diff` to upload wallpapers because of the webserver limits on upload size
 wxl: https://forum.lxqt.org/t/nice-lubuntu-review/901
 I agree that the author of the review shouldn't be given much credibility
[17:28] <wxl> replied
 I'm back from vacation so I'm on the road again
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 the context is in the backlog but tl;dr we can't use `arc diff` …], how large are the wallpapers
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 the context is in the backlog but tl;dr we can't use `arc diff` …], try again, if the error continues then the Phab config is bad 'cause the nginx handling the receiving of data has a limit of 500M
 if the diff is much larger than 500M then you're doing things wrong
 :P
[17:46] <kc2bez> @teward001 I couldn't arc diff anything bigger than a 1M file
 before or now?
 kc2bez: ^
 before
 I will try again later
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[18:32] <wxl> i can try now
[18:34] <wxl> no errors on the arc side
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[19:10] <wxl> anyone having issues with github login in phab?
 I don't use github login
[19:13] <wxl> wth is this now https://phab.lubuntu.me/file/data/uxshx6mpteflvn276olr/PHID-FILE-pg624wieu3q2pjxqb24i/1910-Caribbean-sunset-wallpaper.png
[19:13] <wxl> HMAC-SHA256 can only digest strings.
[19:15] <wxl> smells like it might be an S3 issue https://discourse.phabricator-community.org/t/invalid-all-files-fail-with-hmac-sha256-can-only-digest-strings/3081
[19:15] <wxl> @teward001 do you have access to our S3 store to see if everything is actually working well?
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001 do you have access to our S3 store to see if everything is actu …], we have an S3 store?
 @wxl I believe the S3 is Simon's stuff not mine
 i don't have direct access I don't think
[19:19] <wxl> @teward001: i think it would be wise that you have access so hopefully @tsimonq2 can resolve that. i was thinking this was an S3 issue to begin with.
 @wxl [<wxl> @teward001: i think it would be wise that you have access so hopefully @ts …], well, the S3 endpoint is digitaloceanspaces.com so it's quite possible I *can't* be given access to it
 depending on who owns the DO account
[19:19] <wxl> right
[19:22] <wxl> btw if that che888 comes around again, `ss` doesn't have an `-E` switch, so. https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/disco/en/man8/ss.8.html
 @tsimonq2 ^ wake up
 wxl: pretty sure they won't be back lol
[19:24] <wxl> they probably figrued out how to rtfm :)
 lol
 what does this mean? path=/runner/show_hide_dialog
 should be in bin?
[19:25] <wxl> no it's a kind of lxqt-specific thing
 maybe there is the problem...
 path=/panel/mainmenu/show_hide
[19:26] <wxl> it's essentially a call to a function within those apps
[19:26] <wxl> there's no direct binary to call
 but in pcmanfm-qt, in which we have no problem, the entry esays Exec=pcmanfm-qt
 lxqt-runner works....
[19:27] <wxl> but pcmanfm-qt != (runner|panel)
 I know, but we could call runner with the binary lxqt-runner
[19:28] <wxl> oh speaking of shortcuts why did i not notice this before? https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/132
[19:28] <wxl> but that doesn't alternate between showing/not showing it
 @wxl [<wxl> but that doesn't alternate between showing/not showing it], not completely
[19:28] <wxl> directly dealing with your question: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/issues/139#issuecomment-529049007
[19:29] <wxl> "There are 3 kinds of shortcuts: usual ones (commands, like pcmanfm-qt), dbus messages and shortcuts that are registered by apps like panel. As far as I've seen, only the 3rd kind may have this problem."
 we should test https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/794c7807c34818397f1e2f3a7a9bcf723f518cfd then
[19:39] <wxl> ^^^ @The_LoudSpeaker
 wxl: which is the xdg globalkeyshortcuts.conf we should use? /etc/xdg/lxqt or etx/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu??
[19:42] <wxl> xdg-Lubuntu
 mmm, I have one in  /etc/xdg/lxqtmaybe because it came in 19.04, need to check the daily
 @HMollerCl [we should test https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/commit/794c7807c34818397f …], Haa Bhaiya! noted. But as I said. Exams.
 @wxl talk to @tsimonq2
 who knows nothing about S3
 :P
 *shot*
[20:03] <wxl> um
[20:04] <wxl> well i didn't set it up, he did
[20:04] <wxl> so maybe he needs to talk to himself
 possibly, or maybe you need to explain to him why S3 is busted or what symptoms exist for it
 because that's simon's thing
 i have no S3 access :)
[20:09] <wxl> it's all in the backlog
[20:09] <wxl> maybe he should go to school and learn to read :/
[20:09] <wxl> or we could supercede it and choose to:
[20:09] <wxl>  1. increase limits in mysql and store big files there
[20:10] <wxl>  2. use the local disk for big file storage
[20:10] <wxl>  3. make a new S3 of some kind
[20:10] <wxl>  4. create some custom file storage which i doubt we have the time, energy, resources, or person-power to do
 Am I missing something or is upgrading via the command line the way things work now from 19.04 or 19.10?
[20:21] <wxl> that should work, or the GUI way
 discover or muon
 for distribution relases stuff
 I have package updates and have for a long time
[20:22] <wxl> that's what i was replying to
 I follow you now.
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 so, tdoay daily and globalkeys.
 live works ok, after install works ok
 after 1 reboot runner stop working
 (Photo, 1280x1024) https://i.imgur.com/mDE6Q2m.jpg runner not working after 1st reboot
 although only ctr+alt shortcuts are duplicated.
 after 2nd reboot neither runner nor menu works. Althogh NONE of them are duplicated
 (Photo, 1280x1024) https://i.imgur.com/MFvtSDz.jpg neither runner nor menu work, although none of them are duplicated
 so, maybe duplicated is not the problem.....
 (shortcuts in italics mean they are not working)
[22:07] <wxl> could someone check and see if this affects cala? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1841672


[03:50] <MTecknology> one app and packaging and one apps packaging i made are in ubuntu
[03:51] <MTecknology> kind of addicting :P
[03:52] <MTecknology> hrm... how do you set a bug supervisor on a package in ubuntu?
[08:57] <_Andrew> Anyone know why my package was rejected?
[08:57] <_Andrew> Rejected: Unable to identify file ogre_1.7.2-ogredev.orig.tar.lzma (libs) in changes.
[08:57] <_Andrew> Can't we use lzma?
[09:02] <Ampelbein> _Andrew: as far as I know you can only use gzip with source format 1, with source format 3.0 you can additionally use xz and bz2.
[09:16] <jbicha> _Andrew: why are you not using the tar.bz2 source?
[09:42] <_Andrew> jbicha, because lzma is 10 Meg less
[10:30] <Laney> cdbs: hi! have you sent the zsync changes upstream? they don't look ubuntu specific
[10:39] <cdbs> Laney: Hello there! Nope, I haven't
[10:39] <cdbs> though I sure should
[10:39] <cdbs> added to todo
[10:39] <Laney> thanks :-)
[15:03] <ari-tczew> wgrant: could you update multidistrotools on qa.ubuntuwire.org for oneiric? it works for natty already.


[00:23] <peter__> hi
[00:27] <peter__> i did "sudo apt-get remove -purge openjdk-7-jre" it looks up the dependencies and does everything to remove the package
[00:27] <peter__> but in the same process it ask to install openjdk-6-jre instead
[00:27] <peter__> why is that?
[00:28] <peter__> (im just trying to get rid of everything "java" to do a complete reinstall ov java)
[00:28] <peter__> -v +f
[00:35] <peter__> anyone? i find it quite puzzling that a remove command will lead to a package install
[00:35] <peter__> is this a lubuntu specific behaviour?
[00:36] <peter__> im a beginner...iam at this for 6 hours now....im quite frustrated
[01:00] <nitus> hi. trying to install lubuntu 12.04 on an old inspiron 2200 -- the livecd locks up while loading. so does the installer
[01:01] <nitus> so does alternate and mini
[01:01] <nitus> what could it be?
[01:01] <phillw> peter__: why did you want to issue the command?
[01:01] <peter__> phillw, like i said to remove the opejkd-7-jre
[01:02] <phillw> nitus: please check that the ISO you downloaded is not corrupt and ensure the CD / DVD / USB has an uncorrupted version. The installer does work.
[01:03] <nitus> I've tried three discs and a usb install, all of which work fine on other machines
[01:03] <peter__> i had the freezing issue myself btw....using the alternate iso did it for me
[01:04] <nitus> even mini froze on me
[01:04] <nitus> somewhere it's doing something that inspiron just can't abide
[01:04] <phillw> peter__: wht do need to remove it?
[01:04] <phillw> *why*
[01:06] <peter__> philw: because im not getting the java web starter component running. so iwas going for a complete uninstall of java....then reinstall
[01:06] <nitus> ah I tried different boot methods and now lubuntu gives me the error: firmware file "b43-open/ucode5.fx" not found
[01:06] <nitus> then download instructions, not very helpful while locked up during boot
[01:07] <nitus> hmm, maybe if I just disable the wifi card in bios.
[01:07] <peter__> actually not true....java also doenst work properly on running -jar files as well
[01:07] <phillw> nitus: that may point to  PAE not being supported on that computer.
[01:08] <nitus> it isn't which is why I'm using 12.04. I recognize it as a reference to the broadcom wifi driver
[01:09] <phillw> nitus: I'm not too sure with inspirion, but https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
[01:09] <phillw> will explain further as to which machines it can be of use on.
[01:09] <nitus> yeah thanks, not the problem here
[01:10] <nitus> 12.04 doesn't require pae-enabled chip
[01:11] <nitus> I've installed it on a number if non-pae laptops so far, celeron m or pentium m
[01:11] <phillw> nitus: it was the last release from lubuntu that did not. However, it is not an LTS from lubuntu
[01:11] <nitus> no issues
[01:11] <nitus> but the error message clearly refers to the wifi driver
[01:12] <phillw> nitus: that is a driver issue, there is little we can do if providers do not make drivers available :'(
[01:13] <nitus> yeah I didn't see that error message before checking all the "other options" options
[01:14] <phillw> nitus: the best place to head? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 read the FAQ and also feel free to register and ask on that area.
[01:15] <nitus> but is locking up the installer for no evident reason the provider's fault?
[01:15] <nitus> I know exactly where to get the drive for that card, and theinstaller is working fine with it disabled in bios for now
[01:15] <phillw> nitus: on standard installer or alternate?
[01:16] <nitus> I went back to standard since I now know the problem was just the wifi driver. with it disabled everything is working good
[01:16] <nitus> once installed I can just install the driver and turn it back on in bios
[01:17] <phillw> nitus: lubuntu is the only flavour that supports both.  As you have a solution for your machine, please do post it up so that anyone following you can follow it.
[01:19] <nitus> I wonder why there's no error message in the other installer modes? I think it may have just been the odd color scheme when you turn on all the "other modes" . .. you know, it goes sort of light blue. the error message was a slightly different shade of blue
[01:20] <nitus> so maybe it was always there but the same color as the background, hence invisible
[01:21] <phillw> peter__: I've not done java stuff for a couple of years now. The restricted-extras for 13.10 has been in flux, but it should be somewhat settled now.
[01:21] <nitus> phillw yeah I will do so as soon as I get everything up and running, so I can be sure to provide the correct details
[01:24] <phillw> nitus: I've been running 13.10 since alpha one, there is a bug which the boss will not fix for us updating. His time is better spent else where. I have my separate /home partition, I just need to re-install my extra apps :D
[01:24] <peter__> phillw:  im on 12.04....ok, i wasnt expecting being walked through a java install. but could you clear this up: an apt-get remove command shouldnt lead to a package being installed?
[01:24] <nitus> this is not the first time I've had issues with the installer locking up due to device issues. I had it fail with a defective hdd, even on the livecd it would fill a page of errors trying to scan the device and then dump me in to a text prompt, um, intrarefs or whatever it's called.
[01:25] <nitus> I know it's issues lubuntu inherited from parent distros
[01:25] <nitus> but why does livecd even care about the hdd?
[01:25] <peter__> philw:im a complete beginner but this is just completlely strange, right?
[01:25] <phillw> peter__: if there are applications that have depends on, then yes.. it will try to re-install.  Again, please give me a few minutes to look this issue up.
[01:27] <peter__> phillw: oh, ok i didnt know that
[01:27] <peter__> thx
[01:28] <nitus> this laptop only has a 512 stick but the installer is very laggy and choppy. maybe I should have used alternate
[01:29] <phillw> peter__: I cannot find it immeadiately, but if you remove certain packages that *buntu needs to have (called required) then the system will try to find an alternative.
[01:29] <phillw> nitus: indeed, you should of :)
[01:30] <nitus> I gave slitaz a go when I thought lubuntu wouldn't work, but I had to conclude that it would be too difficult for my friend to use. you have to do too much manually
[01:30] <phillw> nitus: or even the minimal route
[01:30] <nitus> lubuntu once I configure it is easy for any newb
[01:31] <nitus> phillw if it completes I'll be ok
[01:32] <peter__> phillw: ok, thx im happy with any answer at this point - that sounds somehow assuring!
[01:32] <peter__> ;)
[01:32] <phillw> nitus: lubuntu will go pretty low on resources, if the alternate install still needs too much for web browsing, there is xombrero in the 'non-official' apps area
[01:34] <nitus> it *should do ok on 512mb, but every machine is different. always assuming it makes it through the install ;p
[01:35] <peter__> phillw: might i issue another probaly too basic beginner question, i actually have hopes it might be easy to answer
[01:35] <nitus> peter what's your issue?
[01:37] <phillw> !ask | peter__
[01:37] <peter__> nitus: i did use the alternate install and the debain-based-installer aks you to make an account...basically just used for an email account
[01:38] <peter__> it supposed to use your real name here.....after that it asks to make your actualy user account
[01:38] <nitus> I usuallly find irc is better as you can get details or follow up, but the forum post stays there long enough for multiple answers
[01:38] <nitus> peter a user account you mean?
[01:39] <nitus> I could be wrong but I think in OEM mode it doesn't
[01:39] <peter__> well...i know have that (outdate i assume) email account as a regular user account on the graphical login screen
[01:39] <peter__> is that normal behaviour?
[01:39] <nitus> I'm not sure what you mean by email account
[01:40] <nitus> I've used all the different installers and they just want  user account
[01:41] <phillw> nitus: yes, all installers requires a person.
[01:41] <peter__> sorry for my typos and poor english...iam at this for far too long now
[01:41] <phillw> you have to say who the person is, so it knows where to save the data attributed
[01:43] <phillw> peter__: get some rest, feel free to 'ping' me (just put phillw as part of a message)
[01:43] <peter__> phillw: right, it asks me to put in my name ( real name suggested because it will only be used for emails mostly it says) and then it asks me to set up the normal user account
[01:43] <peter__> BUT: now i have to user accounts on my log in screen....that email thingy and my normal user/ computer account
[01:44] <phillw> peter__: put in what you are happy with, but do keep a record of both name and password
[01:45] <phillw> 'real name' means nothing, it is trying to set up your account.
[01:45] <nitus> locked up. now I think this must be the mini install as it says "ubuntu" on the menu
[01:46] <nitus> I was looking for alternate but mini will suffice
[01:46] <phillw> nitus: I'm heading for bed (02:46 here), feel free to give me a poke later
[01:47] <peter__> phillw: is it normal that i end up with two accounts in the graphical login screen after install?
[01:47] <nitus> not unless you create two ;p
[01:48] <phillw> peter__: it depends if you have added lubuntu to one existing system, or have installed it from fresh. If the latter, then yes, there will be two accounts set up for you.]
[01:48] <peter__> ok, i guess ill do a reinstall and just leave this email stuff blank
[01:48] <nitus> I honestly don't know what email stuff you are talking about
[01:49] <peter__> nitus: i know, i know.....i can find it anyhwere on the help pages as well...i always end up with stuff like that
[01:49] <peter__> enough of it! thanks to both of you
[01:49] <peter__> ;)
[01:50] <phillw> peter__: you will see guest and your user name.. select your user name and enter the password. Next time you reboot, it will default to the name
[01:50] <peter__> thanks for ypur patience and good will
[01:50] <nitus> it asks for root credentials and a user afiak
[01:51] <peter__> phillw: oh well...ok, i have 3 accounts then your  right i also have a guest account...i forgot hehe
[01:51] <peter__> this is confusing.....i think ill just do a reinstall
[01:51] <nitus> why?
[01:52] <nitus> peter__ it asks for an account name and then a username for the account, but it's the same account
[01:53] <peter__> ok
[01:54] <peter__> i hope i got it then.
[01:54] <peter__> thanks a heap....again :)
[01:54] <nitus> np
[01:55] <peter__> im better getting off this for some sleep now ;)
[01:55] <peter__> bye bye
[07:26] <nitus> ok, I don't know what I changed, but now instead of the standard list of wifi access points in range, it wants me to preconfigure for a single, specific access point
[07:31] <nitus> oh, and it seems to think it's ubuntu
[08:14] <nitus> oh, I see. the repository isn't even in synaptic
[09:49] <DANNN> ok
[09:50] <DANNN> hi guys... i have any problems withs flash! ..... i dont know if... its a grafic card, cpu, adobe or lubuntu problem xD
[09:51] <DANNN> can u help me?
[09:51] <DANNN> how can i discover which is the problem?
[09:54] <bioterror> http://youtube.com/html5
[09:54] <bioterror> try it out with with Chromium/Chrome
[09:54] <bioterror> if it works, it's the flash
[09:54] <DANNN> mmm
[09:54] <DANNN> ok
[10:00] <bioterror> gotta love flash <3
[12:45] <leszek> hi
[17:17] <DANNN> how can i see the use of swap space?!
[17:18] <rosemball> install htop and it shows to you
[17:19] <DANNN> how? software center?
[17:19] <DANNN> repositorys?
[17:19] <Unit193> free -m, but of course
[17:19] <wxl> for that matter cat /proc/swaps and free -m too
[17:19] <Unit193> !software
[17:19] <wxl> installing htop is useful for other things but totally unnnecessary for that one thing
[17:20] <Unit193> Of course, you can always sudo killall5.
[17:21] <rosemball> learning your way through /proc would be the best
[17:21]  * wxl slaps Unit193
[19:48] <rosemball> so I installed lubuntu using abnt keyboard layout and now I am using an en_us layout
[19:48] <rosemball> is there a way to change the default layout at boot time, I don't want to have to change it by hand everytime
[19:58] <pepee> the logout menu doesn't work in 13.10, it show an error about dbus and systemd ...
[20:02] <rosemball> graphical error or terminal?
[20:02] <rosemball> if graphical ps it and upload to imagehoster, post link here
[20:02] <cson> Anybody happen to run lubuntu on a thinkpad x100e?  It seems 80% of the time I boot up to a frozen display.  I tried grub changes like i915.modeset=n to no avail.
[20:03] <cson> The fact that it boots up fine the other 20% is what's weird.
[20:08] <pepee> rosemball, this is the error message:   gdbus.error:org.freedesktop.dbus.error.serviceunknown: the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file
[20:09] <pepee> it happens when I press the "suspend" button
[20:10] <pepee> (or whatever it's called, my language is spanish...)
[20:13] <rosemball> ok I understand
[20:13] <gomiboy> rosemball: edit this file: /etc/default/keyboard
[20:13] <rosemball> thanks gomiboy
[20:20] <rosemball> XKBLAYOUT="br" changing this to "en" will do the trick?
[20:23] <gomiboy> rosemball: mine is actually set to "us"
[20:24] <rosemball> ok
[20:24] <rosemball> I used another way, as pointed by the manual
[20:24] <rosemball> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:24] <rosemball> dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[20:24] <rosemball> these 2 commands should do the trick
[20:25] <rosemball> *did*
[20:41] <pepee> for anyone interested, this is the bug I have:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1221809
[20:41] <pepee> systemd-shim is missing..
[20:42] <Unit193> There's all sorts of login/out issues, all flavors.
[22:03] <pepee> installing systemd-shim solved it (error message from the logout menu:  "the name org.freedesktop.systemd1 was not provided by any .service file")