[01:28] <rww> considering banforwarding him to ##drunk-jail
[01:28] <rww> mainly because i just made that channel and find the concept amuysing
[01:29] <rww> "you can get unforwarded if you can answer this CAPTCHA without hitting on anything!"
 This is not allowed.
[07:33] <Anastasius>  Let's test your skills out here.
[07:34] <Anastasius> Who, elky?  I haven't bothered her in hours and she conveniently disappeared when I did.
[07:34] <ldunn> Yes, elky. <Anastasius> Well, it seems I got elky to shut up, so my work here is done for the night.  Have a good evening all!
[07:34] <Anastasius> Get a ruling for me, please.
[07:34] <Anastasius> ldunn: Ridiculous.
[07:35] <rww> Anastasius: The bantracker comment for your ban is "boring trolling and opbaiting". I hope this is enlightening :|
[07:35] <Anastasius> It's really not.  I want you to provide examples.
[07:36] <Anastasius> And also, present those examples to the council.
[07:36] <rww> Anastasius: Unfortunately, I am rather too busy learning how to walk around LambdaMOO. "/lastlog Anastasius" or your client's equivalent should function reasonably well.
[07:37] <Anastasius> rww: Oh, so that's it?  I insult elky (and who doesn't want to, really) and I get banned?
[07:37] <rww> Anastasius: That's entirely different fron what I said, but you're welcome to put words in my mouth as much as you like.
[07:38] <rww> s/n /m /
[07:38] <Anastasius> You're better than that, sir.
[07:38] <Anastasius> Yes, you learned how to skirt the issue at hand as well.  Good job.
[07:39] <Anastasius> You should go into politics someday.
[07:39] <rww> I'm very good at not expending effort when it won't change anything. It's a valuable life skill.
[07:39] <Anastasius> I'm sure it is.
[07:40] <Anastasius> However, this will not end here.  ;)
[07:40] <Anastasius> Buh-bye.
[07:40] <rww> g'night, again
[07:40] <Anastasius> ldunn: How are you liking this so far?
[07:41] <Flannel> Anastasius: I imagine the useful life of this conversation has passed.  Kindly leave until you're ready to have an actual conversation.
[07:42] <Anastasius> I thought I was having a conversation, until my complaint was ignored (again).
[07:42] <Anastasius> I really think other more level heads should chime in on this issue.  aka, none of you.
[07:43] <rww> Please feel free to escalate to the IRC Council, then. Do you know the drill, or shall I have ubottu spam you?
[07:43] <Anastasius> What would be the point of that?  I think we can settle this here.
[07:44] <Anastasius> Or are you afraid of just dealing with it directly?
[07:44] <Flannel> Anastasius: We probably can, all that would be required is that your attitude changes signficantly.  Obviously, this won't happen in the next few minutes, so please come back once it has.
[07:45] <Anastasius> Flannel:  I'm completely cool about it, I just don't like being treated like a criminal.  State your case.
[07:45] <Flannel> Anastasius: You were already warned tonight once that continued harassment would lead to a ban, and you acknowledged that fact.  I'm not sure why this is a surprise to you.
[07:46] <Anastasius> Flannel: Be specific here.  What, exactly, triggered the ban?
[07:46] <Flannel> Anastasius: The continued harassment.
[07:46] <Anastasius> Of elky?
[07:46] <Flannel> I wasn't the one who banned you, but if I had to take a guess, I'd say this line:
[07:46] <Flannel> < Anastasius> Well, it seems I got elky to shut up, so my work here is done for the night.  Have a good evening all!
[07:47] <Anastasius> Flannel: You're guessing.  I want a specific answer, not a guess.
[07:47] <Flannel> Anastasius: I was not the one who banned you, but had I been around at the time, I would have banned you for the above.
[07:47] <Flannel> Anastasius: That's as specific as I can give you.
[07:47] <Anastasius> Well, since rww banned me let's here it from him, shall we?
[07:48] <Anastasius> Circle your wagons, I'll wait.
[07:48] <Flannel> Anastasius: You and I are having a conversation.
[07:48] <Flannel> Anastasius: And I already said, had I been looking at my screen, I would have banned you for that if he had not.
[07:48] <Anastasius> Flannel: That's nonsense, and I think you know that.
[07:49] <Flannel> Anastasius: What is?
[07:49] <Flannel> The fact that I would have banned you for it if he had not?
[07:49] <Flannel> or the fact that I wasn't looking at my screen?
[07:49] <Anastasius> Flannel: No, the fact you would ban someone (anyone) for that at all.
[07:50] <Anastasius> She's not above the law.  lol, believe me, she's not.  :)
[07:50] <Flannel> Anastasius: We already had this discussion.  I told you that if you continued to harass, you would be banned.
[07:50] <Flannel> Anastasius: That is continued harassment, and as such, you are banned.
[07:50] <Flannel> Anastasius: What are you talking about?
[07:51] <Flannel> Anastasius: We're talking about you being antagonistic, I could care less about what elky does.  She has a right to be in -ot and to not be antagonized.
[07:51] <Anastasius> You don't want to hear what I have to say about that, clearly.  So our business is done?
[07:51] <Flannel> Anastasius: This is not your personal soap box, so if you're not willing to stay on topic, then yes, our business is done.
[07:52] <Anastasius> Great.  Have a nice day.  Flannel, I do hope you will remember this conversation in the future. ;)
[07:52] <Flannel> Anastasius: Go write a blog post about it or something.    Bonus.  Well-timed sleep, that was.
[15:01] <bazhang>  drag0nz has quit (Max SendQ exceeded)
[15:02] <bazhang> he seems to have some connection issue
[15:02] <bazhang> what is the quit message mean btw
[15:02] <bazhang> err does
[15:08] <IdleOne> Max sendq exceeded
[15:08] <IdleOne> This is an old configuration on some servers that holds a max amount of data you can send during one session. This means that the server can't relay the text you sent to it and the server disconnects you to make you start a new session.
 how to login as a root?
[15:28] <bazhang> logging in as root?
[15:32] <ikonia> silly
[15:32] <bazhang> my thoughts exactly
[16:19] <bazhang> its like a virus; another user asking how to login as root
[16:41] <bazhang> m00se is robinetd?
[16:42] <IdleOne> not sure but I think it might be
[16:42] <ikonia> yes
[16:42] <ikonia> LjL: you thre
[16:42] <bazhang> odd questions he's asking
[16:42] <ikonia> there is another guy called moose who is not the same
 Mysquirrel, (mysquirrel, mysquirrel), talkin' 'bout, my squirrelllll *mysquirrel*
[16:43] <bazhang> in #ubuntu
[16:44] <ikonia> if it is robinetd then he needs to be banned
[16:46] <ikonia> but I don't want to get the m00se guy and moose confused
[17:01] <bazhang> thought judget was on hardy server
[17:01] <bazhang> which would be 5 years
[17:01] <ikonia> maybe, don't know
[17:02] <ikonia> can't get straight answer from him, so I don't care any more
[17:02] <bazhang> he had reading comprehension issues earlier as well
[17:03] <oCean> lts is 3yr for desktop and 5 for server right? oh wait, the factoid says 'desktop support ended' ..
[17:03] <IdleOne> oCean: yes and yes
[17:03] <bazhang> so 2013
[17:03] <ikonia> yeah, that's 3 years
[17:04] <ikonia> 8 9 10 11
[17:04] <bazhang> err 2012
[17:04] <ikonia> for the server yes
[17:04] <IdleOne> doens't really matter if it is supported or not he isn't helping himself by not answering
[17:04] <oCean> agreed
[17:05] <ikonia> no, I'm off to do something interesting
[17:05] <IdleOne> later dude :)
[17:05] <ikonia> laters
[17:05] <bazhang> bye
[17:05] <oCean> but the difference for support in desktop/sever is not all that easy
[17:06] <ikonia> they will also have to keep the repos open longer
[17:06] <IdleOne> he could have had his porblem fixed by now probably if he just stopped thinking he knew what he was doing and listen
[17:07] <ikonia> he's now asking in #postfix despite me telling him it's not an actual postfix problem
[17:07] <ikonia> really doesn't listen
[17:11] <ubunturocks> ikonia, why did you kick me out?
[17:11] <ikonia> ubunturocks: your attitude
[17:11] <ubunturocks> My attitude? What about yours? Isn't this supposed to be a question/answer channel? All you've done is being critic but not helpful
[17:12] <ikonia> ubunturocks: you gave the channel the wrong information about your issue
[17:12] <ikonia> ubunturocks: I corrected you so that people have the right information,
[17:12] <ikonia> ubunturocks: there is no Ubuntu 11 LTS
[17:12] <ikonia> ubunturocks: I simpley corrected you so that it's either 11.04 non-lts or 10.04 lts so people have the right info
[17:13] <ikonia> they are quite different, so it does matter
[17:13] <ubunturocks> ikonia, I corrected myself by specifying 11.04 [Release name]. At which point you specified again, in a pedantic way, it was not LTS. Did that help anybody?
[17:13] <ikonia> we typed that at exactly the same time
[17:13] <ikonia> 17:08 < ubunturocks> ikonia, 11.04 Natty Narwhal
[17:13] <ikonia> 17:08 < ikonia> ubunturocks: it's not lts
[17:14] <ikonia> there is less than a second between it
[17:14] <ubunturocks> ikonia, then you would not kick me out by understanding the race condition
[17:14] <ikonia> I kicked you out because of your attitude
[17:14] <ubunturocks> ikonia, I believe you abuse your powers...
[17:14] <ikonia> 17:10 < ubunturocks> ikonia, would you mind wasting my time next time? These details didn't help anybody. Cheers
[17:14] <ikonia> that's uncalled for,
[17:14] <ikonia> the information was actually needed if it was 10.04 or 11.04 does matter
[17:15] <ubunturocks> ikonia, your second comment was not called for, but because you are an administrator you felt like you could kick me out. This is not open-source, this is not democracy
[17:15] <ikonia> and as you'd said, if you understood the race condition, you wouldn't have made that comment
[17:15] <ikonia> ubunturocks: what second comment ?
[17:15] <ubunturocks> The pedantic one, typed at the same time as mine
[17:15] <ikonia> ubunturocks: correct, this channel is not open source and it is not a deomcracy - just so you're clear
[17:15] <ikonia> ubunturocks: I typed the second command at the same time as yours to correct you
[17:16] <ikonia> ubunturocks: had you typed 11.04 before I'd typed that ubuntu 11 LTS doesn't exist, I wouldn't have typed it
[17:16] <ikonia> ubunturocks: until that was clear, it's a very good question to ask if it's 10.04 LTS or 11.04 non-lts
[17:17] <ikonia> can you see that now ?
[17:18] <ubunturocks> Of course.
[17:18] <ikonia> great,
[17:18] <ubunturocks> So what do I need to do to get an answer to my question now?
[17:19] <ikonia> control your attitude/smart mouth comments, leave this channel and rejoin #ubuntu while trying to be clear about the question and the details you asked
[17:19] <ubunturocks> Ok, thanks
[17:22] <ikonia> heads up that alzamabar is ubunturocks in #ubuntu
[17:22] <ikonia> don't know why he changed nicks to join
[18:53] <LjL> ikonia, IdleOne: no m00se is not robinetd. robinetd used to be moose.
[18:53] <ikonia> LjL: we got there in the end
[22:30] <teadict> hi
[22:31] <jussi> hi teadict
[22:31] <Tm_T> hello
[22:31] <teadict> so, let's clear this shit up...
[22:31] <Tm_T> language, please
[22:31] <teadict> before I startbuilding up theories about all of you and get banned for stupidity
[22:31] <teadict> okey..
[22:31]  * jussi is a on phone, so slightly slow
[22:31] <teadict> what you want me to do to go get all good?
[22:32] <teadict> *to get
[22:32] <Tm_T> what do you mean by that?
[22:33] <teadict> well, apparently elky raised the flag, and all the ops now think I am a hazard
[22:33] <teadict> so you're watchinig me closely, and even if I get to joke about what happened.. I might get canned
[22:33] <teadict> who is offended by people joking about what happened?
[22:33] <ikonia> ?
[22:34] <ikonia> what are you actually talking about
[22:34] <teadict> not everyone knows what happened then
[22:34] <ikonia> is there something we can actually help you with ?
[22:35] <teadict> yes, I want to know if everything is cool with what happened with elky and me
[22:35] <ikonia> I have no idea what you're talking about, so I suggest you speak to elky about it directly
[22:36] <teadict> that's been done, you're not aware of what's happening, so you don't have to get in the way if you don't want to
[22:36] <teadict> it's okey, others do
[22:36] <teadict> nevermind then
[22:37] <ikonia> I'm not getting in the way, I'm trying to find out if there is something we can do to help you
[22:37] <teadict> some ops can, but don't worry
[22:37] <teadict> I'll talk to them
[22:38] <topyli> teadict: i don't think anybody else is concerned about what happens between the two of you. if someone else is involved, involve those too, by all means. but it's not a matter for the whole team here
[22:39] <teadict> okey.. my bad then
[22:39] <teadict> I was misinformed
[22:39] <teadict> I'll talk to them then
[22:40]  * Tm_T shakes his head
[23:03] <rww> o_O
[23:07]  * hypatia shrugs


[00:23] <ahoneybun> So what will the new image be called? saucy?
[10:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk)
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:51] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Riddell Good evening
[10:54] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Greeting_Time
[10:56] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Sorry, I'm a bit factual:P
[10:57] <yofel> well, good morning folks for that matter ^^
[10:57] <apachelogger> yo fel
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon yofel (LOL)
[10:57] <apachelogger> trololo :P
[10:58] <apachelogger> so
[10:58] <apachelogger> we haz problem
[10:58] <shadeslayer> appropriate-greeting-according-to-your-timezone
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, X doesn't start
[10:58] <shadeslayer> on N10
[10:58] <apachelogger> anyone knows of the active?
[10:58] <shadeslayer> no idea why
[10:58] <apachelogger> cuz
[10:58] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-desktop needs to pre-depend grub
[10:58]  * smartboyhw does not run Active on Nexus 10 or on whatever hardware
[10:59] <apachelogger> but since active probably uses -desktop that sounds le fishy
[10:59] <apachelogger> so perhaps we need kubuntu-settings-grub
[10:59] <apachelogger> so kubuntu-settings-desktop suggests kubuntu-settings-grub pre-depends grub-pc
[10:59] <apachelogger> desktop seed recommends kubuntu-settings-grub
[10:59] <apachelogger> also that way a user may use something other than grub
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK, etc: ^ if you feel like giving an opinion on a possible kubuntu-settings-grub
[11:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174713] systemsettings package contains random plunder @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174713 (by Harald Sitter)
[11:47] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: just read your email, what happens when there's a genuine bug in KWin
[11:47] <shadeslayer> and it was not caught in the RC/Beta
[11:47] <mgraesslin> bad luck
[11:47] <mgraesslin> given the numbers I surrender
[11:47] <shadeslayer> but then what if it's something that can be fixed in the point releases :S
[11:47] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:48] <mgraesslin> if I had any hope in it getting better I would not suggest something like that
[11:51] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: and these reports don't come in when a Fedora release happens?
[11:51] <shadeslayer> or a SUSE release?
[11:52] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/GLnenbaughd
[11:52] <shadeslayer> ah yes, saw that
[11:52] <shadeslayer> maybe time to talk to the X people?
[11:52] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: to make it clear: this is not a Kubuntu problem, it's a pure Ubuntu problem
[11:52] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[11:52] <mgraesslin> tried it
[11:52] <shadeslayer> oh?
[11:53] <mgraesslin> UDS in Florida we had a complete session
[11:53] <shadeslayer> what was the conclusion?
[11:53] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: interested in reading the rant I wrote yesterday and which is currently in my draft?
[11:53] <shadeslayer> and look on the bright side, Canonical is going to withdraw from fiddling with X soonish :P
[11:53] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: sure
[11:54]  * shadeslayer rages at samsung
[11:55] <mgraesslin> I don't exactly remember the outcome, but it was something like "if they need to change mesa for Compiz, they will do it"
[11:55] <ScottK> mgraesslin: BTW, you're point about 4.1/4.2 graphical effects is wrong.  Fedora had those patches too.
[11:55] <mgraesslin> ScottK: that's mentioned
[11:56] <mgraesslin> (to be fair: that problem was also present in Fedora)
[11:56] <ScottK> "Remember in 4.1/4.2 times the graphical artefacts? Only Ubuntu, because they had patches to X. I could go on so for release and release. It's always Ubuntu, always, always."
[11:57] <mgraesslin> oh that's in the google plus posting
[11:57] <ScottK> Yeah.
[11:57] <mgraesslin> I realize I pasted the blog post in a query to shadeslayer, there I mention the problem but also write that it's in Fedora
[11:57] <mgraesslin> s/is/was
[11:59] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: IMHO you should blog that pastebin
[12:01]  * mgraesslin is unsure about it
[12:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong?
[12:52] <yofel> Riddell: how about using the pad for the merge notes instead of trello? There we can at least just c&p the whole packagelist to make sure we don't forget something
[12:53] <yofel> apachelogger: what's the problem with grub again? it being pulled into the active images?
[12:54] <Riddell> yofel: yeah set that up if you think it's better
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:22] <Riddell> afternoon
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Just thought of it, the KC election nominations are closing today \o/
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Ah not yet, tomorrow;P
[14:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: going to stand?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell: No. The problem is that I don't know which three I should vote out of the four (or rather, who not to vote grr)
[14:41]  * smartboyhw requests a live forum:P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> I mean, it's so difficult to choose
[14:43] <smartboyhw> All of them are KDE e.v. Members
[14:43] <smartboyhw> All of them have a very substantial role in Kubuntu and KDE
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Grr
[14:46] <Riddell> try for a balance of skills
[14:47] <Riddell> and for who will stay around longest :)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Privatr message?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> s/Privatr/Private/
[14:50] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Private message?"
[14:52] <Riddell> ok
[15:28] <shadeslayer> jono: have a minute?
[15:28] <jono> shadeslayer, sure
[15:29] <shadeslayer> jono: a couple of things from my interaction with some people over a linux mailing list in my area, they're a bit disappointed that Ubuntu.com doesn't feature links to debian.org on the homepage
[15:29] <shadeslayer> for eg. kubuntu.org features that right on the homepage, but no such links on ubuntu.com
[15:30] <jono> shadeslayer, we haven't had a link on there for quite some time
[15:30] <jono> not on the front page
[15:30] <jono> the target demographic of ubuntu.com are folks who want to learn about the functional benefits of ubuntu, so they are unlikely to go to the Debian homepage
[15:31] <jono> so the link is better served on the community pages
[15:31] <jono> which is what we are working on right now
[15:32] <jono> shadeslayer, I have asked dholbach to deliver community.ubuntu.com (content) next month
[15:32] <shadeslayer> I see, the second point that I've realized is, I couldn't find a link where the term 'ubuntu' was properly defined in terms of the Community / Product
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> jono: Where's dholbach BTW? Can't see him in IRC
[15:33] <jono> smartboyhw_, we are at a sprint, so he is dipping in and out of IRC
[15:33] <shadeslayer> for me the Ubuntu project represents the whole slew of flavors
[15:33] <jono> shadeslayer, you can see http://www.ubuntu.com/community but tbh, it isnt very good
[15:33] <jono> this is why we are redeveloping the community pagtes
[15:33] <jono> they just dont serve out community very well
[15:33] <jono> so we are working on a truly dedicated community site
[15:33] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: We have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite
[15:33] <jono> it took a while as a bunch of people signed up to work on it and then never delivered their work
[15:34] <shadeslayer> except, I couldn't find a single page where this was clearly defined so I could point someone to it
[15:34] <jono> shadeslayer, as I say, we are working on this
[15:34] <smartboyhw_> jono: Yeah sure I think we got most of them OK now :P
[15:34] <jono> but ubuntu.com/community provides lots of info
[15:34] <shadeslayer> okay, thanks for clarifying that
[15:34] <jono> shadeslayer, np
[16:11] <yofel> lol, quote of the day "<svuorela> yay. 0~. positive, but less than zero"
[16:12] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:12]  * shadeslayer is waiting for live build to finish making a rootfs tarball
[16:12]  * shadeslayer is learning about obscure temperature scales
[16:13] <genii-around> Does Kubuntu installer use some different UEFI method than the regular Ubuntu ? user "roasted" in #k apparently can install Ubuntu but not Kubuntu
[16:13] <shadeslayer> genii-around: uh yeah, I had one report of this as well
[16:13] <shadeslayer> please ask him to report a bug with full logs
[16:13] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^
[16:15] <xnox> genii-around: kubuntu does not have complete UEFI support, for UEFI support please install Ubuntu & then install kubuntu-desktop & remove ubuntu-desktop meta-packages to use kubuntu / KDE by default.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> xnox: whats missing
[16:16] <genii-around> xnox: This has been suggested to them already, actually.
[16:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: seeding correct packages on the cd, and twiddling with cdimage to generate uefi/sb images....
[16:16] <xnox> and testing
[16:16] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:17] <shadeslayer> xnox: could you possibly spin up saucy images with those fixes?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> then we can test next week
[16:17] <xnox> shadeslayer: no, i can't. i don't know how to do that and don't have time to work on kubuntu.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:18] <xnox> it's a big chunk of work.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oh, like the way you said it, I thought it was trivial to do :P
[17:01] <shadeslayer> FYI I'm using the ARM boxes for a bit
[17:02] <shadeslayer> to build an image for the Nexus 10
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu-desktop still pulling in zenity
[18:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk)
[18:49] <Laney> Hi
[18:49] <Laney> I'd like to upload user-manager and polkit-qt-1 to add consolekit depends as it uses the dbus interface. Any objections? (The long term fix is to use logind too)
[18:50] <Laney> polkit-qt-1 appears to be in sync though, so if someone has commit to pkg-kde :-)
[19:07] <yofel> Laney: sounds good for now if they'll stop working without it
[19:09]  * yofel added a todo item for logind
[19:09] <Laney> great
[19:09] <Laney> the porting isn't too hard
[19:09] <Laney> yofel: can you commit to polkit-qt-1 @ debian?
[19:17] <yofel> Laney: I think I can..., but as I don't do much there usually I'll talk to the debian folks first. I can't upload it anyway
[19:17] <Laney> yofel: right, but it's good to have it at least committed in there so it's not an ubuntu delta forever
[19:17] <yofel> right
[19:18] <Laney> uploading isn't so urgent; debian isn't doing this transition right now anyway
[19:23] <Laney> Riddell: can I fix native-package-with-dash-version in user-manager at the same time? Do you have a VCS for it?
[19:45] <yofel> Riddell: I updated the trello merge todo list with the full list of packages. It's worth a try at least
[19:48]  * yofel is reasonably certain that he didn't miss anything
[19:49]  * shadeslayer grumbles
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell, ahoneybun: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/20130430.1/
[21:06] <Laney> yofel: both uploaded
[21:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whatwhy?
[21:35]  * apachelogger slaps shadeslayer with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.manifest
[21:49] <bmw> 13.04 recent upgrade, Dolphin file manager just freezes. Is this a known bug?
[21:54] <ScottK> bmw: It's working for me.  I'd check and see if there's not a virtuoso-t process eating all your CPU.
[21:56] <bmw> Nope. CPU is very quiet.  I
[21:56] <bmw> I've rebooted the machine but no difference
[21:56] <ScottK> amd64 or i386?
[21:57] <bmw> amd64
[21:57] <ScottK> I'm on i386.
[21:57] <ScottK> Any amd64 raring dolphin users out there?
[21:58] <genii-around> dolphin works fine here.
[21:59] <ScottK> bmw: ^^^  it appears not to be a general problem.
[21:59] <ScottK> Not sure what to suggest.  Maybe ask in #kde.
[21:59] <bmw> Yuck! Time to troubleshoot. #kde, good suggestion. Thanks.
[22:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping


[12:17] <froud> Other than using About Ubuntu. Is there a way for a user to determine the operating system version information via a GNOME GUI app? Something like the info displayed via KControl in KDE?
[12:18] <mdke> froud: not that I know of
[12:21] <froud> mdke: what about details of the kernel version?
[12:22] <mdke> froud: nope, don't think so. But if you ask in a Gnome channel you might get more reliable information
[12:23] <froud> :-) If you dont know then I dont think they will do better
[04:57] <cosmolax> hello.
[04:59] <robotgeek> hi cosmolax
[04:59] <cosmolax> a moment ago, I reEdit the section "Ubuntu Dapper Installfest In Taiwan" in the UWN issue #5 draft.
[05:00] <cosmolax> I just remove the duplicate hyperlink of the article.
[05:00] <cosmolax> That's because the writer use another wiki system but not moinmoin. sorry for that.
[05:01] <robotgeek> cosmolax: sure, thanks :)
[05:02] <robotgeek> i think the links are slightly messed up, i will fix
[05:02] <cosmolax> robotgeek: thank you.
[05:07] <robotgeek> cosmolax: refresh :)
[05:18] <cosmolax> robotgeek: looks much great. :)
[05:20] <robotgeek> cosmolax: cool :). good luck with installfest!
[05:23] <cosmolax> robotgeek: I wish.:)
[05:24] <cosmolax> robotgeek: the party place is small, but people signuped have been exploded. LoL
[05:24] <robotgeek> that is good news!
[05:27] <cosmolax> robotgeek: in the beginnig, we thought maybe 30 people would be good enough, then, Wow! so many people interesting of Ubuntu ! :)
[07:11] <nixternal> with the packaging guide pdf..is there a way to print 4 pages on one sheet of paper, book style/front to back?
[07:12] <Madpilot> that depends on which PDF viewer you're using, I think
[07:12] <nixternal> im looking at kpdf..which seems rather ummm...feature lacking
[07:12] <Madpilot> try Adobe Acrobat Reader - it's a giant pig, but it's still the most complete PDF reader going
[07:12] <Madpilot> it's in Multiverse - look for acroread
[07:12] <nixternal> im trying that one now
[07:13] <nixternal> i got the latest and greatest version of that pig
[07:13] <nixternal> as the local college uses pdf for all documentation
[07:13] <nixternal> so i am rather used to the #@$#
[07:13] <nixternal> i will however..try to get them to switch to svn and docbooks in the xml class next fall
[07:13] <Madpilot> Evince is pretty good - it's Gnome's default viewer - but acroread is still the standard
[07:17] <nixternal> well...my idea is actually more work then what i would like..i will just print double sided...that will work for what i need
[10:33] <mdke> morning
[10:33] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:33] <mdke> hiya
[10:33] <Madpilot> Happy Canada Day ;)
[10:33] <mdke> ah, same to you
[10:33] <tonyyarusso> Sort of morning
[10:34] <Madpilot> 0135 is technically morning
[10:34] <mdke> Madpilot: btw #redirect only does pages within the same wiki, you need "#refresh # url" for urls
[10:34] <Madpilot> ah, cool
[10:34] <Madpilot> thanks
[10:37] <mdke> how should I celebrate canada day?
[10:38] <Madpilot> get sunburned & drunk, then sing "Oh Canada" off key
[10:38] <mdke> similar to English celebrations, except a different song
[10:38] <Madpilot> but only the first verse, in English then French, because nobody even knows the rest of the versee ;)
[10:38] <Madpilot> s/versee/verses
[10:39] <mdke> I saw some English football fans recently who had sunburn on their chests in the form of the English flag
[10:39] <mdke> flair
[10:40] <Madpilot> that takes dedication - and careful application of sunblock
[10:40] <tonyyarusso> I might know them if I thought about it actually...
[10:41] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, what, the 2nd & subsequent verses of "Oh Canada"?
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Yeah.  Or at least I did at one time.
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> Learned them for when our minor league baseball team was playing Winnipeg.
[10:42] <Madpilot> I've grown up in this country, and I've never known them. Not sure I've ever even heard them... ;)
[10:42] <Madpilot> at school we did the 1st verse, in both languages, and that was it
[10:43] <Madpilot> then "Dog Shave the Queen" in English at the end of our school assemblies
[10:44] <tonyyarusso> Hehe
[10:44] <mdke> disgraceful
[10:44] <Madpilot> oh, sorry... I meant "God Save...etc" :)
[10:45] <tonyyarusso> They did all of the verses every morning at the school I had my placement in for con-ed, and I was just starting to get the hang of it when they started doing them in French instead.
[10:45] <mdke> no respect these canadians
[10:45] <Madpilot> mdke, Lizzie's a lovely woman, it's the rest of her family that worries me :)
[10:45] <Madpilot> I'm a monarchist by default, because we've got one now and it mostly works
[10:46] <mdke> indeed
[10:46] <mdke> for most definitions of works
[10:46] <Madpilot> for the definition that includes "Look what having a President has gotten our good friends to the south of us"
[10:47] <mdke> heh
[10:52] <mdke> yelp has got a caching thing in cvs which might speed it up quite a lot
[10:53] <mdke> hope so
[10:53] <Madpilot> nice
[10:53] <Madpilot> Yelp does need some love in the speed department, even in Dapper
[11:49] <Madpilot> Dammit, I wish people could spell "Ubuntu" right...
[11:49] <Madpilot> having to fix a bunch of pages in help.u.c/c because someone can't spell...
[11:51] <rob> hehe thats funny, its at the top in big black letters on every page
[11:52] <Madpilot> it's the name of the damn distro, FFS, you'd think people would *check*...
[12:01] <Madpilot> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromLinux <-- massive chunks of this could probably just die, and be replaced by links to the actual pages on the various topics
[12:22] <dsas> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation has a "Laptops" link right at the bottom which points to LaptopTestingTeam. Should this link be aimed at w.u.c/LaptopTestingTeam or just scrapped?
[12:23] <Madpilot> aim it at wuc/LaptopTestingTeam, and expand the text in huc/c/UserDoc to explain a bit more, I'd say....
[12:25] <dsas> "Reports on using Ubuntu on portable computers." ?
[12:27] <dsas> hmm, all my page subscriptions have gone.
[12:28] <dsas> Madpilot: Who do I need to talk to too get page deletion privs?
[12:29] <Madpilot> dsas, mdke, for now
[12:29] <Madpilot> are you a WikiTeam member in LP?
[12:29] <dsas> nope.
[12:29] <Madpilot> you on DocTeam in LP?
[12:30] <dsas> nope. I presume I need to be a member of one of those first?
[12:31] <Madpilot> not really, but it helps
[12:32] <Madpilot> eventually all approved WikiTeam members will automagically have delete/rename privs
[12:32] <dsas> ok, I'll apply for the wikiteam and catch up with mdke when he's around.
[12:33] <dsas> Thanks for the help
[12:33] <Madpilot> np
[12:34] <Madpilot> you can always ping here or the ML if you've got a candidate page for deletion
[12:36] <dsas> There's three pages at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Test
[12:38] <Madpilot> looks like they're gone already?
[12:39] <dsas> hmm, I get three pages teste, testpage1 and testpage2 all linked from the 'Test' page not found search result.
[12:41] <Madpilot> ah, yeah
[12:41] <Madpilot> in the search box, below the "This page does not exist..." line
[12:41] <Madpilot> I'll kill those three now
[12:42] <dsas> thanks
[12:43] <Madpilot> np
[05:17] <nixternal> moins
[06:35] <nixternal> that email burg just sent...he talks about us in #3
[06:35] <nixternal> http://linux-blog.org/index.php?/archives/154-5-Unique-Tips-for-New-Ubuntu-Users.html
[06:36] <nixternal> i know jjesse has been discussing the topic of the documentation for that
[07:58] <CarlFK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarlKarsten - exists (no longer redirecting to help.ubuntu... ?)
[07:58] <CarlFK> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LocalNet has CarlKarsten -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CarlKarsten which is 404
[08:03] <nixternal> personel pages aren't to be redirected to h.u.c
[08:03] <CarlFK> that seems to be a chage
[08:04] <nixternal> ya..personal pages are sticking on w.u.c
[08:04] <nixternal> i see though with the @SIG@ it shows h.u.c/c/WikiName
[08:04] <CarlFK> that means all the links to them that are now on h.u.c are broken ?
[08:05] <nixternal> if it is from the @SIG@ feature then yes..unless we recreate our personal pages on h.u.c and #refresh 0 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ourpage
[08:05] <nixternal> i don' tknow if they want that on the h.u.c though
[08:06] <CarlFK> bleck
[08:06] <nixternal> mdke can probably have the sig feature fixed so that it goes to w.u.c instead
[08:06] <CarlFK> I can see why.. but I think it is too late
[08:06] <nixternal> that @SIG@ is just a macro..probably python scripted...
[08:06] <nixternal> well im sure it is in python since moinmoin is python ;)
[08:07] <CarlFK> should I post anything about to the -doc list of LP?
[08:07] <CarlFK> or is it 'known issue'
[08:08] <nixternal> you are the first to bring it up
[08:08] <nixternal> i would post it
[08:08] <CarlFK> will do
[08:08] <nixternal> definately is valid..as i have yet to notice it ;)
[08:10] <CarlFK> do you know what db the pages are stored in?
[08:10] <CarlFK> mysql, bdb... dir of textfiles..
[08:15] <CarlFK> nixternal: what is this @SIG@ you speak of?
[08:15] <CarlFK> guessing I should use it
[08:16] <nixternal> oh..it is a macro that posts your name, date, and time when you post...
[08:16] <nixternal> hmm..i can't see what moinmoin uses for db
[08:16] <nixternal> i don't see anything about it at all on the moinmoin install site
[08:17] <CarlFK> huh - I asked on the -doc list,
[08:17] <CarlFK> part of the "delete CatDoc" thread
[08:17] <CarlFK> if it is written "well" you can pick a db
[08:18] <nixternal> mpt made a good point on the CatDoc stuff about deleting them when you do work on the pages
[08:18] <CarlFK> which means it is up to the person who installed it
[08:19] <CarlFK> yeah - I don't really care about the CatDoc issue  - but if I can help a bunch of editors focus on something useful ... good. ;)
[08:19] <nixternal> i went through the other night with some free time and removed a bunch of pages from the CatDoc...I emailed the list letting them know..not a good idea ;)
[08:19] <nixternal> exactly
[08:19] <nixternal> i hear your point there