[08:38] <Spads> I've just upgraded some MAAS infrastructure from Precise and 1.4 to Trusty and 1.5, and I notice that one of my cluster controllers is running low on disk due to /var/lib/maas/ephemeral being full of old data.  Everything's from months ago, though the Web UI says it has up to date images (which I can find elsewhere).  Is it safe for me to blow away /var/lib/maas/ephemeral after my 1.5 upgrade?
[10:51] <onicrom> hello everyone
[13:12] <Spads> The cluster controllers in MAAS 1.5 seem to be trying to connect to two high-numbered ports on the region controller.  Apache is listening on those ports on the region controller, but I can't find the configuration that sends them there.  What are these ports, and are they predictable?
[14:42] <onicrom> are the files in /etc/maas/templates/pxe essentially pxelinux.cfg/syslinux.cfg files?
[14:42] <onicrom> and is it safe to edit them (once you copy/rename?)
[14:45] <jhobbs> onicrom: yes, they are templates for generating files like pxelinux.cfg files
[14:46] <jhobbs> onicrom: what are you trying to get done by copying/editing them?
[14:47] <onicrom> i was looking to add "CONSOLE 0" and "SERIAL 1 115200 0"
[14:47] <jhobbs> onicrom: have a look at http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/kernel-options.html
[14:47] <onicrom> ive appended console=tty0 console=ttyS1,115200n8 to that
[14:48] <onicrom> wasn't sure if the actual pxeboot section
[14:48] <jhobbs> oh - those are pxelinux directives?
[14:48] <onicrom> would be sent to console, or just the install part
[14:48] <onicrom> correct
[14:48] <jhobbs> so you can see pxelinux output on the serial console?
[14:48] <onicrom> thats the goal
[14:49] <jhobbs> if it's pxelinux stuff you should be able to add it in the file wherever you would in a normal pxelinux file
[14:49] <jhobbs> was copying/renaming just to get a backup?
[14:50] <onicrom> well i wasnt sure if i needed to rename either the config.commissioning.template to config.commissioning
[14:50] <onicrom> or edit the template
[14:50] <jhobbs> ahh yeah just edit the template
[14:50] <onicrom> or edit the arch specific file
[14:50] <jhobbs> maas opens the template and renders it and then sends it off via tftp
[14:50] <onicrom> ok cool
[14:51] <onicrom> so would it be best to add to config.install.tem... config.commissioning.tem... or config.local.amd64.tem....
[14:52] <jhobbs> they're for different stages
[14:52] <jhobbs> if you want pxelinux output all the time, do all of them
[14:52] <onicrom> would it be correct in assuming editing the amd64 would be invoked at all stages
[14:52] <onicrom> assuming you are using that arch
[14:53] <jhobbs> config.local.amd64.template is only for localbooting, after an install is complete
[14:53] <jhobbs> otherwise amd64 uses the generic ones without arch names in the files
[14:53] <onicrom> got it
[14:53] <jhobbs> they're not hierarchical so you have to edit them all
[14:54] <onicrom> thanks much
[14:54] <jhobbs> you're welcome
[14:54] <onicrom> config.local and config.local.arch need to be changed then?
[14:55] <jhobbs> hmmm
[14:55] <jhobbs> i'm not sure why there are both there
[14:55] <jhobbs> couldn't hurt :)
[14:55] <onicrom> do you work on the project?
[14:55] <jhobbs> yes
[14:57] <onicrom> might i suggest something... the .template extension makes me think these files , should you need to change them, should be renamed removing the .template
[14:57] <onicrom> or copy, without .template and make changes, the system reads the non.template files should they exist
[14:58] <onicrom> (dont mean to complain just how i assume things to work on other tools)
[14:58] <jhobbs> i could see how that's confusing
[14:58] <jhobbs> feel free to file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas
[14:59] <jhobbs> best to have stories from real users for that sort of thing
[15:01] <onicrom> i wouldnt vcall it a bug :)
[15:01] <onicrom> but sure thing
[15:01] <onicrom> i have another question :) around preseed
[15:03] <jhobbs> ok
[15:03]  * jhobbs in and out, just ask and i'll try to answer
[15:06] <onicrom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1352938
[15:06] <onicrom> bug filed :)
[15:08] <jhobbs> cool, thanks
[15:10] <onicrom> jhobbs: i'm not familair with preseed at all so this is going to be amateur hour, under /etc/maas/preseeds what are the purposes for the various files
[15:14] <jhobbs> onicrom: have you read this? https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/development/preseeds.html
[15:17] <jhobbs> onicrom: preseeds for maas either generate cloud-init, curtin, or debian-installer config, depending on which state/install type is being used
[15:18] <jhobbs> onicrom: users can use them to customize enlistment/commissioning/installation
[15:18] <jhobbs> they're template files again, just like the pxe ones
[15:18] <onicrom> cool
[15:19] <onicrom> i read references to the debian-installer but my maas only says default or fast install
[15:19] <onicrom> i assume default is debian installer?
[15:19] <jhobbs> yeah
[15:19] <onicrom> woah i missed this doc entirely somehow :)
[15:20] <onicrom> thanks! also... the terms commission,enlist etc are these defined somwhere?
[15:25] <jhobbs> i can't find anything
[15:25] <jhobbs> that sucks
[15:25] <jhobbs> enlistment makes maas aware of the node, commissioning does some hardware inventory
[15:25] <jhobbs> gotta run for a bit
[15:33] <onicrom> any takes on 'curtin'
[15:37] <jhobbs> onicrom: it's the fastpath installer
[15:37] <jhobbs> onicrom: it's default in newer maas's - it's all i ever use
[15:40] <onicrom> intttersting
[15:40] <onicrom> how does customization work in this new fancy faster method
[15:41] <rbasak> It's designed to be very customisable
[15:41] <rbasak> See: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~curtin-dev/curtin/trunk/view/head:/doc/topics/overview.rst
[15:42] <rbasak> You can pretty much replace everything.
[15:42] <onicrom> cool i shall readup
[15:50] <onicrom> does 14.04's maas pkg get upgraded as releases go stable (1.5->1.6) or is that a more manual process?
[15:50] <onicrom> by 'get upgraded' i mean apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade if more appropriate
[15:53] <jhobbs> you can apt-get upgrade mas
[15:53] <jhobbs> *maas
[15:54] <jhobbs> it will pick up whatever the latest release for trusty is
[15:54] <jhobbs> as long as that's what you're running
[15:57] <onicrom> will trusty upgrade to mewer point releases?
[15:57] <onicrom> rather... be upgraded to.
[15:58] <jhobbs> hmm i think roadmap questions are above my paygrade
[15:58] <jhobbs> you can always pin to a newer version if you want to though
[16:04] <onicrom> nods
[16:04] <onicrom> btw
[16:04] <onicrom> damn fine job on this thing
[16:04] <onicrom> ive setup my fair share of build systems from scratch with jump/kickstart
[16:05] <onicrom> all the annoying stuff is taken care of, just need to sort out the customizations :)
[16:06] <jhobbs> glad you like it and thanks for the feedback!
[16:06] <jhobbs> bugs on any issues or annoyances you run into are welcome
[16:15] <onicrom> well i have 2 data centers im building out (~40 servers) so im going to be diving real deep :)
[17:13] <onicrom> does maas read all files in /etc/maas/preseeds? ... if i 'backup' the files in /etc/maas/preseeds (as in /etc/maas/preseeds/preseed_master.dist) will it do badness?
[19:11] <onicrom> looks like the installer output is not being sent to my serial console .. the commissioning is sent to serial console but the install is not
[19:11] <onicrom> hrms
[19:19] <newell> onicrom, have you been checking the logs in /var/log/maas?
[19:26] <onicrom> now its hung
[19:30] <onicrom> checking logs thanks :)
[19:59] <newell> np
 damn dell drac seems to drop offline whenever the ubuntu installed 'probes' the network devices </bitching>


[01:21] <stlsaint> hello, i would like to ask for a ubuntu member cloak
[01:24] <nhandler> stlsaint: Have a link to your LP profile handy?
[01:25] <stlsaint> nhandler: https://launchpad.net/~faint-stl-saint
[01:25] <nhandler> jussi, tsimpson, Pici, topyli:  ^^^
[02:45] <Pici> nhandler: Did you add to the lp team?
[02:45] <nhandler> No, I usually leave that to whoever ACKs the cloak
[02:46] <Pici> nhandler: done, please assign a cloak :)
[02:47] <nhandler> Pici: Done. I also sent him a message via memoserv to let him know I applied it.
[11:07] <vish> hi , #ubuntu-debian is not registered. , and has a bot running there , how come?
[11:07] <vish> who is running it?
[11:07] <vish> >  /msg chanserv access list #ubuntu-debian , gives channel not registered
[11:12] <rww> vish: As I understand it, the relevant channel's on OFTC. The bot in #ubuntu-debian is run by grantbow; I'm not sure why it's in there.
[11:13] <vish> rww: yeah, the relevant one is  #debian-ubuntu on oftc , but this one is confusing , since it sits there with a bot
[11:13] <vish> just seems no one is around at the moment
[11:15] <vish> i was in there for a few mins and i noticed folks popping in and out , maybe we can shut it down , so that the people go to the right one?
[11:19] <jussi> vish: are you in #debian-ubuntu?
[11:19] <vish> jussi: #ubuntu-debian
[11:19] <jussi> no, on oftc
[11:20] <vish> yup
[11:20] <vish> jussi:  but  #ubuntu-debian is the wrong one , accidentally mentioned during yesterday's session
[11:20] <jussi> Im just wondering if its a relay bot...
[11:20] <jussi> is it in both channels?
[11:20] <rww> actually, now that I think of it, Grant mentioned relay bots recently. It may well be.
[11:21] <jussi> and did my test come through?
[11:21] <rww> (we're in the same LoCo)
[11:21] <vish> i dont see a gbot on the oftc #debian-ubuntu
[11:21] <jussi> vish: it may be named different on that network
[11:21] <vish> jussi: yup , test came through
[11:22] <jpds> jussi: So much for consistency..
[11:22] <jussi> rww: could you chase grantbow for me and check out the situation?
[11:23]  * vish just asked on oftc , if there is a relay bot..
[11:23] <rww> jussi: he's not highly active on IRC. If there's someone in #debian-ubuntu that knows what's going on, that'd be a better bet.
[11:24] <jussi> right. that would actually mean joining oftc... :P
[11:25] <rww> fine, I'll do it then ;P
[11:26] <rww> doesn't look like it's relaying
[11:29] <rww> and I don't see a gbot equivalent on the OFTC channel
[11:29] <vish> yeah , no one knows there either..
[11:30] <rww> jussi: considering the above and that #ubuntu-debian isn't mentioned anywhere in the relevant wiki.debian.org documentation, I think IRCC could take it over and do whatever freenode does for pointing at non-freenode channels
[11:31] <jussi> hrm, do oftc chans have owners?
[11:31] <jussi> ie, who is responsible over there?
[11:31] <rww> jussi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/467921/
[11:32] <jussi> ahh, persia :)
[11:33] <jussi> anyway, I have to zip back to work, so Ill leave this to one of my compatriots for now
[11:35] <persia> jussi: Rhonda is the best contact
[11:44] <vish> oh , wait , regarding <jussi> and did my test come through? , i thought the test on freenode..
[11:44] <vish> it didnt come through on oftc
[12:25] <vish> wheeeee , ircc now has control! :D
[17:27] <doctormo> I've been asked to get your thoughts on the "Ask Smart Questions" guide which was blueprinted for the lucid cycle, sorry for the delay:
[17:27] <doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/foo/ask-smart-questions.pdf
[17:33] <nhandler> doctormo: That reminds me a lot of http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[17:34] <doctormo> nhandler: I wouldn't be surprised if mine was derived from that via proxy. I got those titles from the people at UDS Lucid back in December.
[19:08] <rww> doctormo: Looks good to me, and covers all the points I'd put in. Let me know if you'd like me to pick at the spelling/grammar, there are a couple of mistakes in there. Apart from that, cool :)
[19:09] <rww> jussi: Did you get #ubuntu-debian sorted out, or would you like me to ask Grant about it? I'll probably see him today.
[19:13] <nhandler> rww: We locked down the channel and modified the topic and entrymsg to point to the oftc channel
[19:14] <rww> nhandler: alrighty, awesome
[19:38] <rww> Do I ask here or #freenode to get my cloak changed to match my account name?
[19:39] <nhandler> rww: An Ubuntu GC needs to approve the change, so here. jussi, tsimpson, Pici, topyli: ^^^
[19:39] <Pici> nhandler: Could you do the honors?
[19:40] <nhandler> Yep. Did he update his LP page?
[19:40] <Pici> rww: did you update your lp page?
[19:40] <rww> Which part? the IRC: section?
[19:40] <Pici> Yes.
[19:41] <rww> done
[19:41] <rww> thanks :)
[19:41] <nhandler> You are welcome
[19:42] <Pici> np :)
[20:37] <doctormo> rww: spelling and grammar are good to be corrected.
[20:40] <IdleOne> Wonder if I can have my cloak changed to @ubuntu/member/notjustamemberbutalsoprez
[20:40] <IdleOne> :)
[20:41] <IdleOne> kinding
[20:41] <IdleOne> kiding also


[00:02] <guiverc_t> yeah concur... i'd choose to live in hope too.
[00:23] <pleia2> added a couple articles from the planet today
[00:24] <pleia2> (also, my own ubucon eu post was published after 00:00 UTC, so we'll include it next week)
[01:26] <guiverc_t> pleia2, do your added planet articles need summary?
[01:26] <pleia2> guiverc_t: they do
[01:26] <pleia2> I will write them if no one else gets to them, but it would be great if someone else could :)
[01:27]  * guiverc_t turning on workstation (not using this tablet!)
[01:51] <guiverc_t> two in planet done, missed any?
[01:54] <pleia2> thanks, I think that's it :)
[01:54] <pleia2> working on moving stuff over to the wiki and adding stats now
[02:34] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue491
[02:37] <Unit193> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/japaneseteam/3478-ubuntu-16.10-release-party-and-offline-meeting-in-japan/ - http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/08/system76-working-with-canonical-on-improving-hidpi-support-in-ubuntu/
[02:37] <pleia2> ty
[02:40] <pleia2> ah, developer.ubuntu.com has it anyway https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2016/12/05/improving-hidpi-support/
[02:41] <Unit193> :3
[02:43] <pleia2> ok, all tidy, sending to editors now
[21:09] <PaulW2U> editorial review done
[22:44] <pleia2> thank you
[23:28] <pleia2> jose, tsimonq2 - you guys want to take care of publishing again today?


[00:31] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[11:25] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[18:46] <brobostigon> evening everyone.
[22:17] <p_masho> brobostigon: hi
[22:18] <brobostigon> evening p_masho
[22:21]  * p_masho is writing a "business plan proposal" to Cardiff airport for giving away a FlightSimulator for free.. ;-) then I need a load of kids - olde and young - to do the scenery - cunning plan..
[22:22] <brobostigon> interestin.
[23:00] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[23:23] <beds> has cardiff airport got a flight simulator to be giving away?
[23:24] <p_masho> beds: yep flightgear.org


[20:55] <lucido> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 400, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[20:55] <lucido> default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 (0x52) normal (normal) 0mm x 0mm
[20:55] <Kamuela> minimec: awesome!
[20:56] <Kamuela> minimec: so if I'll just be making / and /home, how much space do you think i should devote to / ?
[20:56] <lucido> adam_, is the output name "default"?
[20:56] <wilee-nilee> Kamuela, I have W8 pro but it was a student purchase, 25$ hehe on a msdos/ mbr and 3 linux on a 256 gig ssd runs nicely, W8.1 now
[20:56] <lucido> all I get is a mouse pointer and a black screen
[20:56] <gigatropolis> keyboard is all wrong after lockup. The AT symbol is double quote and double quote is asterick, etc. how to get the keyboard back to normal on 13.10
[20:57] <adamk> lucido: First, I'm adamk, not adam_.  Second, no, that's not the output name.  Just run 'DISPLAY=:0 xrandr'
[20:57] <adam_> lucido: what?
[20:57] <Kamuela> wilee-nilee: cool, I wish I bought it when it was $30 in January but I was so broke hahaha. I'm on the VL "trial" :P
[20:57] <adamk> lucido: Or at least it shouldn't be the output name.  It's probably something like DVI-0, VGA-0, etc.
[20:58] <lucido> adamk, same output with DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
[20:58] <lucido> adam_, nothing, sorry
[20:58] <adamk> lucido: Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file.
[21:00] <minimec> Kamuela: somehow depends on '/var' and '/tmp'. I have a 240GB SSD here with 40GB '/', rest '/home'. That is far enough for '/'. You could even go with 20GB for '/'.
[21:00] <minimec> Kamuela: If you host some web services or work with large files in /tmp, take that into consideration...
[21:01] <Kamuela> minimec: alright, i only have about 100GB devoted to linux at the end of my disk... i kinda want to dynamically shrink the NTFS and push it up a bit honestly
[21:01] <Kamuela> minimec: i do rails development, you think that's a consideration? i haven't yet tended to host anything other than the webrick defaults
[21:02] <gigatropolis> Need help. My keyboard is giving wrong characters as if it has a different layout. Going to keyboard setup and it shows English )US~ which is correct, but the keys are all wrong. How to fix this?
[21:03] <minimec> Kamuela: Never wirked with rails, so I cannot tell you, but if it is a development test machine, I guess You will not store GB's of data in /var...
[21:03] <fanshawe2> That's alright, I've found out a way to transfer contacts that doesn't require bluetooth. Thank you anyway for responding, #ubuntu. G'night.
[21:06] <lucido> adamk, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6384356/
[21:07] <Kamuela> minimec: can i just do a sudo dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M ?
[21:07] <nanna> ciao
[21:07] <adamk> lucido: You are using the vesa Xorg driver.  1024x768 is expected, and the only output supported is probably named 'default'.
[21:07] <nanna> !list
[21:08] <adamk> lucido: You have the nvidia driver installed, but the wrong one. Read lines 167 through 172 in your Xorg log file.
[21:09] <minimec> Kamuela: That seems to be a nice tutorial. http://www.garron.me/en/bits/create-add-swap-file-ubuntu.html
[21:09] <gc> I'm an app developer. I noticed my app doesn't show its menubar in ubuntu saucy. What should I do?
[21:09] <lucido> adamk, how is that possible, I have installed nvidia-331 from the xorg-ledgers ppa
[21:10] <adamk> lucido: Again, check what the log file says... You need the legacy driver.
[21:10] <lucido> ok
[21:10] <to_mashek> adamk, jhutchins_wk, minimec, kostkon I plugged in external microphone from a headset
[21:10] <to_mashek> adamk, jhutchins_wk, minimec, kostkon it works
[21:11] <to_mashek> adamk, jhutchins_wk, minimec, kostkon both in Skype and sound recorder
[21:11] <to_mashek> adamk, jhutchins_wk, minimec, kostkon does it mean internal microphone is broken?
[21:11] <ljunggren> hey
[21:12] <ljunggren> hey, i get tearing in videos with opensource drivers.. sync to vblank is enabled in compiz. what should i do
[21:14] <lucido> adamk, I see, do you know if there is a ppa with a port of other nvidia driver version than 173 (which segfaults x) or 304 (which doesn't work with  my custom xorg.conf)?
[21:14] <adamk> lucido: No idea, I avoid nvidia.
[21:14] <minimec> to_mashek: ... means that your internal mic is not recognized correctly by alsa. the workaround that kostkon gave you before might work. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1259284&p=8274461#post8274461
[21:14] <lucido> what else is there than nvidia?
[21:15] <francesco2> guys hello, do you why after million of try I have initramfs ubuntu? when I try to boot it from the usb?
[21:15] <bekks> lucido: xswat :)
[21:16] <lucido> bekks, xswat is not yet published for 13.10, the ppa I mean, what is xswat?
[21:17] <ljunggren> !xswat
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> francesco2, Can you clarify that in in understandable way.
[21:17] <ljunggren> hm
[21:18] <ph8> hey all
[21:18] <ljunggren> francesco2, have you checked BIOS settings
[21:18] <bekks> lucido: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[21:20] <lucido> bekks, I have that, those are the new nvidia drivers, but I'm running legacy hardware (gf7200 and an old chinese lcd tv)
[21:20] <francesco2> I am trying to boot linux mint from usb but after many tries (before I was updating syslinux the netbook was even don't boot it) but when I boot it instead of lunching the live version give me a prompt with initramfs
[21:20] <cosmicfires> I can't find info about why the weather update can no longer get data?
[21:20] <wilee-nilee> !mint | francesco2
[21:22] <wilee-nilee> francesco2, Try ubuntu we can support you there, mint is just a derivative, less support in general.
[21:22] <andry> hm cool, new teamviewer 9 beta for ubuntu runs nice as multiarch
[21:22] <bekks> lucido: then !mint | francesco2
[21:22] <bekks> Sorry.
[21:22] <francesco2> but there it write me : busybox V1.20 (ubuntu 1:1.20.0-ubuntu) built-in shell (ash) :S
[21:22] <TomAstro> anything different from v.8 Andry?
[21:23] <bekks> lucido: well, then fix your xorg.conf
[21:23] <andry> the design :P, system tray now also works on xubuntu .. but i am still testing
[21:23] <francesco2> anyway I am going to try to install ubuntu as well
[21:23] <lucido> bekks, it's fine it worked with 173 but it started segfaulting recently: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6384443/
[21:24] <lucido> bekks, I mean my xorg.conf is good
[21:24] <TomAstro> Ok.  I'll check it out later.
[21:24] <bekks> lucido: then why dont you use 173 anymore?
[21:24] <newbie|2> someone said
[21:24] <wilee-nilee> francesco2, You can install ubuntu in 13.04 and above the cinnamon desktop is in the repos.
[21:24] <newbie|2> ubuntu dont respect the privacy of user what do you say
[21:24] <lucido> bekks, as of today it segfaults
[21:24] <TomAstro> Now someone needs to fix Skype for Linux.  Ohhhh  That won't happen since MS has it now...
[21:24] <lucido> bekks, started after some upgrades I made
[21:25] <auronandace> newbie|2: this is a support channel, do you have a support question?
[21:25] <wilee-nilee> newbie|2, Can be turned off and that is a subjective opinion that is inaccurate.
[21:25] <newbie|2> i need some support
[21:25] <newbie|2> auronandace:
[21:25] <newbie|2> in order to make sure i am safe
[21:25] <newbie|2> https://fixubuntu.com/
[21:25] <lucido> bekks, sorry wrong pastebin, this is it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6384455/
[21:25] <TomAstro> I do here but do't want to keep repeating it,  But I am looking for help with ALSA/Pulse.
[21:26] <newbie|2> what do you think about this
[21:26] <wilee-nilee> !enter | newbie|2
[21:26] <newbie|2> okey sorry
[21:27] <kostkon> newbie|2, wrong channel. this is a support channel and we are all regular users. why are you asking about our opiniion
[21:27] <newbie|2> hmm i dont know i suppose there are some developers here
[21:28] <lucido> Can you tell me why X segfaults with nvidia 173 drivers on my system? Xorg.0.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6384455/
[21:29] <kostkon> newbie|2, anyway, if you want to discuss about it, the right channel is #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:29] <andry> TomAstro, you need to install wine manually and use the multiarch package of tv, it should run fine then
[21:29] <andry> for ubuntu 13.10
[21:29] <Kamuela>  alright fellas, gonna make the dive into 13.10! thanks again, i'll be back when i'm on the other side :)
[21:29] <newbie|2> sure
[21:29] <kostkon> newbie|2, you can share your anxieties with other in that channel
[21:29] <kostkon> others*
[21:34] <lucido> does this line in the X crash backr=trace mean that my driver is incompatible with my libc version?
[21:34] <lucido> [   561.697] (EE) 11: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xf5) [0x7fb274a27de5]
[21:35] <bekks> lucido: no.
[21:35] <bekks> lucido: X segfaults, not the driver.
[21:36] <lucido> bekks, yes, but it doesn't segfault with 304
[21:36] <lucido> only with 173
[21:36] <ljunggren> omygod what have i dont, my system is all choppy but i get almost 3000fps in glxgears.. ? i use to get 800
[21:42] <lucido> maybe I should revert to nvidia-96
[21:44] <minimec> ljunggren: glxgears is synced with your monitor refresh rare per default. To see the 'real' values you first have to 'export vblank_mode=0' in a terminal, before starting 'glxgears'.
[21:45] <to_mashek> minimec still internal micriphone does not work
[21:45] <therealayush> hello,i switched to ubuntu last year,i think i made a great choice
[21:47] <lucido> I cant find any ppas for saucy with legacy nvidia drivers
[21:47] <bekks> lucido: There are none, since saucy ships them.
[21:47] <lucido> bekks, only 304 and 173, which don't work for me
[21:47] <Troy^> lucido why do you need anything older then that?
[21:47] <to_mashek> minimec I give up for today. I will try another time again :P
[21:48] <bekks> lucido: And 196.
[21:48] <to_mashek> minimec thanks for hints
[21:48] <lucido> Troy^, 173 segfaults and 304 doesn't work with my xorg.conf
[21:48] <lucido> 196?
[21:48] <bekks> Oh, they dropped 196.
[21:48] <Troy^> why is your xorg.conf so different?
[21:48] <bekks> lucido: Then, basically, teher are no other drivers.
[21:49] <lucido> bekks, there is no 196 in saucy
[21:50] <bekks> lucido: Yeah, they dropped it.
[21:51] <bekks> 1108 224838 < bekks> lucido: Then, basically, teher are no other drivers.
[21:51] <bekks> lucido: You could check which updates got installed before it broke.
[21:51] <francesco2> Gooddd it works !
[21:51] <francesco2> eureka
[21:52] <Troy^> I don't understand what you could possibly be doing that doesn't work in a newer version of driver
[21:54] <bekks> Troy^: Different binary interface.
[21:54] <lucido> bekks, yes I looked at that but all I see is upgrades of lightdm and libboost and something called xorg glam they don't look like X http://paste.ubuntu.com/6384574/
[21:55] <Volchok> Hi all, does anyone know if Canonical releases Ubuntu release notes for generic kernels from their Software Manager?
[21:55] <bekks> Volchok: What are you looking for, basically?
[21:56] <Volchok> bekks, A changelog from Ubuntu's kernels. If that's how it would be said.
[21:56] <bekks> Volchok: What are you looking for in the changelog?
[21:56] <adrian> list
[21:57] <Volchok> bekks, To see what has changed in the kernel.
[21:57] <Volchok> I seen a few new kernels that have improved SSD support.
[21:57] <Volchok> Also, it would be nice to see what's been fixed.
[21:58] <bekks> Volchok: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-meta_<IP_ADDRESS>.14/changelog
[21:58] <bekks> Volchok: Parent link: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/linux-image
[21:59] <Volchok> Checking.
[21:59] <Volchok> Seems that second link helped a bit better, thanks bekks.
[21:59] <Volchok> :)
[22:01] <TheKing44> I need help.
[22:01] <bekks> !details | TheKing44
[22:02] <TheKing44> I am trying to install Ubuntu Studio to a thumb drive, but it seems I can only install the installer.
[22:02] <TheKing44> I can go into "Try without installing", but no luck installing so far.
[22:05] <Volchok> TheKing44, Are you currently using another operating system? Whilst, trying to install this thumb drive from.
[22:07] <TheKing44> @Volchok I am using Vanilla Ubuntu 13.10 and am attempting to use the disk creator.
[22:08] <Volchok> TheKing44, Are you using Startup Disk Creator and have formatted the thumb drive.
[22:10] <TheKing44> @Volchok It erased the disk, so I presume it meant formatting.
[22:10] <TheKing44> It has installed the boot loader.
[22:11] <Volchok> Have you supplied the image for it to make the startup disk.
[22:11] <Volchok> As the ISO can be corrupted too.
[22:12] <Volchok> Nonetheless is the thumb drive big enough to hold the ISO.
[22:13] <lucido> X is running, but what does this mean?
[22:13] <lucido> sudo xrandr -display :0 -q
[22:13] <lucido> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCan't open display :0
[22:15] <otak> lucido: happily X is not being run by root
[22:16] <minimec> TheKing44: I tend to (re)foramt USB stick with gparted, before I use it with the disk creator.
[22:17] <lucido> I see, but how come that while X is running :0 display still cant be found: xrandr -display :0 -q
[22:17] <lucido> No protocol specified
[22:17] <lucido> Can't open display :0
[22:17] <TheKing44> minimec It is formatted about how I like.
[22:18] <Volchok> I tend to use disk creator for formatting my flash drive to.
[22:18] <otak> lucido: that's without sudo?
[22:18] <lucido> otak, no
[22:19] <Volchok> TheKing44, Perhaps, it's Disk Creator to begin with newer versions doesn't explicitly imply they're 'stable'.
[22:19] <otak> I'm pretty sure you don't need to be root to run xrandr, it's in /usr/bin
[22:20] <lucido> otak, I'm not
[22:20] <pulsar78> hi, need some help setting up wired/wireless connection in ubuntu, since both are out, i have no clue how to handle this
[22:20] <lucido> export DISPLAY=:0
[22:21] <lucido> chris@chris-desktop:~$  export XAUTHORITY=/home/chris/.Xauthority
[22:21] <lucido> chris@chris-desktop:~$ xrandr -q
[22:21] <lucido> No protocol specified
[22:21] <lucido> Can't open display :0
[22:21] <FloodBot1> lucido: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:21] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys i recently updated my dist-upgrade and now when i boot my computer all i get is a blackscreen
[22:21] <Psil0Cybin> do i resolve this by just using a previous kernal?
[22:21] <lucido> Psil0Cybin, what did u upgrade from?
[22:22] <Psil0Cybin> i always keep my ubuntu 12.04 up to date
[22:22] <Psil0Cybin> so i dont know what the last kernal upgrade was
[22:22] <Psil0Cybin> but i get every single one in order...
[22:22] <mammuth_> #ubuntu-fr
[22:22] <Psil0Cybin> i forgot to write the number down when i booted in, how can i check in terminal what it is?
[22:23] <lucido> Psil0Cybin, uname -a
[22:23] <Psil0Cybin> right now im using Linux stashb0x 3.2.0-54-generic-pae #82-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 10 20:29:22 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux but i was using the newer one
[22:24] <Psil0Cybin> when i had the blackscreen the one after this one
[22:24] <TheKing44> Volchok, perhaps I should clarify. I think I know how to put an iso on a thumbdrive. The problem I ran into is I wasn't able to install the OS without unmounting the thumbdrive running the installer.
[22:24] <lucido> Psil0Cybin, I mean lsb_release -a
[22:25] <Psil0Cybin> well it says im using Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS
[22:25] <Psil0Cybin> but my problem is with the 12.04 kernal version
[22:25] <Psil0Cybin> the newest update
[22:25] <Psil0Cybin> i updated last night and now when i rebooted in, i just get a black screen
[22:25] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset | Psil0Cybin try this
[22:26] <auronandace> TheKing44: if you are trying to install to the usb stick you're installing from then that makes things rather complicated
[22:26] <Psil0Cybin> so when would i run that command MonkeyDust ?
[22:26] <Psil0Cybin> sorry I am semi new to linux but never had problems like this before
[22:26] <Psil0Cybin> usually updates dont break anything
[22:26] <Volchok> TheKing44, Seems a bit out of my technical area.
[22:27] <minimec> TheKing44: So you want to start the installer on the stick, then unmount the stick and install ubuntu on the same stick? That doesn't work. In that case it would be easier to install virtualbox, run the ubuntu iso and mount the stick into Virtualbox, and do the installation...
[22:27] <MonkeyDust> Psil0Cybin  ubottu tells you why
[22:27] <TheKing44> Can I install the installer to my computer on a seperate paration, and use that to install it to my thumbdrive? Would my hard drive be safe if I split it?
[22:28] <j_elly> hey guys, just upgraded from 11.04 to 12.04.3 LTS (new clean installation); i am wondering about random freezes (desktop), changing to console via ctrl+alt+f1 and back helps but whats the point about? have you experienced similar issues with 12.04.3 lts?
[22:28] <Psil0Cybin> MonkeyDust: i understand why im asking
[22:28] <Psil0Cybin> when i would input it
[22:28] <Psil0Cybin> or how do i run it as that command
[22:29] <lucido> Psil0Cybin, it's a kernel option, not a command, read the linked page
[22:30] <MonkeyDust> Psil0Cybin  open this link and scroll down, it tells you how to resolve the black screen issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132
[22:30] <Psil0Cybin> thank you so much MonkeyDust q
[22:30] <Psil0Cybin> i am going to look at it now :)
[22:33] <lucido> xrandr can't find my display
[22:34] <bekks> lucido: Which display is your X server running on?
[22:35] <lucido> bekks, :0
[22:35] <bekks> lucido: Then you wouldnt get that error message.
[22:36] <lucido> bekks, root      2844  2.4  1.1<PHONE_NUMBER>8 tty7     Ss+  05:34   0:01 /usr/bin/X -core :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
[22:36] <bekks> lucido: Did you run "xhost +" from inside your running X?
[22:37] <lucido> bekks, no, I cant get past lightdm, I log in and it returns me to the login page
[22:37] <bekks> lucido: Is your disk full?
[22:38] <lucido> bekks, lots of space
[22:39] <kostkon> lucido, df -h
[22:39] <[twisti]> hello, im trying to get my ubuntu to use ipv6, but its not working the way i expected
[22:39] <minimec> lucido: <ctrl><alt>f1, login with yout username, then 'mv .Xauthority .Xauthority-old && exit' Login via lightdm...
[22:40] <[twisti]> i do "ip -f inet6 route" and get 2a01:4f8:162:43a4::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256 \ fe80::/64 dev eth0  proto kernel  metric 256 \default via 2a01:4f8:162:43a4::1 dev eth0  metric 1024
[22:40] <[twisti]> but when i try ping6 2a01:4f8:162:43a4::1, i get From 2a01:4f8:162:43a4::b00b icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
[22:40] <[twisti]> can someone help me troubleshoot that ?
[22:41] <lucido> minimec, thanks, Xauthority was corrupted it seams
[22:42] <Lord255> hi, i have two folders, similiar files in them asd.log.20131105 ; qwe.log.20131108 and the first file is opened in the browser but the other one wants to be downloaded. does anyone know why? i didnt change anything in my browser :o
[22:42] <Lord255> they are text files btw
[22:42] <minimec> lucido: Well the first time I had that problem, I was quiet shocked too, until I found the solution ... ;)
[22:42] <Lord255> any idea on that?
[22:43] <kwadronaut> xatr0z: where do i find a ubuntu config file from a package without installing that package?
[22:44] <zykotick9> Lord255: my "guess" is there is something in the logs, that fools "file" into thinking it's html code... type thing?  just a guess.
[22:44] <kostkon> kwadronaut, download its source package or the deb from packages.ubuntu.com
[22:44] <lucido> kwadronaut, download the package and then extract it with dpkg
[22:44] <kostkon> kwadronaut, and extract the deb
[22:45] <kostkon> kwadronaut, or the archive manager
[22:45] <Lord255> zykotick9, they are eggdrop logfiles, simple text. nothing else
[22:46] <lucido> This is my xorg.conf that worked fine with nvidia-173 but with nvidia-304 my lcd tv no longer recognizes the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6384844/
[22:47] <lucido> how can that be?
[22:47] <genii> kwadronaut: mkdir something&& cd something && apt-get download packagename && ar -x packagename && tar -xvzf data.tar.gz     ... then get it's conf files from the etc directory it makes there. When done: cd && rm -rf something
[22:48] <[twisti]> it looks like ipv6 is completely broken on my ubuntu lts 12.04 somewhow
[22:51] <ubuntutis> anybody know how to put the whole gimp manual on gimp?
[22:51] <Lord255> okay, if i want to download them one of them says "text file" the other one says "20131108" file
[22:51] <Lord255> why
[22:52] <lucido> Lord255, what do you want to do?
[22:52] <minimec> lucido: In your cas with that rather old 'gf7200', I would use 12.04 and stay on that version. The problems you have now will continue with 14.04. I am not sure how the mir or xmir will be handling your card. IMHO 12.04 is the best and save way for you. Just my opinion.
[22:52] <[twisti]> is it even possible to use ipv6 with ubuntu 12 ? all i find on google is talk about bugs, slowdowns and how to disable ipv6 support
[22:53] <lucido> minimec, 2l8
[22:53] <Lord255> i have two folders, similiar files in them asd.log.20131105 ; qwe.log.20131108 and the first file is opened in the browser but the other one wants to be downloaded. does anyone know why? i didnt change anything in my browser :o | meanwhile i made a file with touch dsfsd.20131108 and i opened it in the browser as text file
[22:53] <Lord255> lucido, i want to open those files in browser, not to dl them
[22:53] <ragusource> hey guys, how do i set the default file permissions for users?
[22:53] <ragusource> I tried changing the umask in /etc/logins.def but it doesn't seem to do anything.
[22:54] <lucido> Lord255, your browser has the extension 2344235 or whatever it is associated to something and it doesnt regocnize it as a text file
[22:55] <Lord255> no it has not. :) ech day new ending, i told you i didnt edited anything in my browser
[22:55] <Lord255> and others has the same problem
[22:55] <minimec> lucido: Reinstallation will take some time I agree, but afterwards you're good for another 3 years. I would take that into consideration. 12.04 gets kernel upgrades, new browser versions and so on. Looks like even the steam boxes will be based on 12.04. Ubuntu 12.04 will become some kind of Ubuntu XP.
[22:59] <apb1963> ubuntu 12.04....   I'm getting inconsistent results with knotes.  Yesterday I was able to attach a note as a tab to another application.  Today, that option is no longer avaliable.  Any ideas how to fix that?
[23:01] <intrader> minimet, kostcon I followed your advice to lock an application to the Dash Bar. So far and icon for the executable appears in the desktop, but not in the dashbar.
[23:02] <Kvisle> anyone noticed that the top bar in unity has become a whole lot more unresponsive after upgrading to 13.10?
[23:04] <minimec> intrader: OK. Take that icon from the desktop and move or copy it to '.local/share/applications' with the nautilus file manager. It will then appear in the unity dash.
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> Kvisle, unity is a compiz plugin, in general at times it seems to need a reset, there is a specific one for 13.10 you might consider it.
[23:06] <wilee-nilee> Kvisle, Upgrades have there own inherent problems individually as well.
[23:06] <Lord255> zykotick9, you were right :)
[23:06] <francesc_> guys, on ubuntu how I see all the list of my programs?
[23:07] <Lord255> i have checked the other files and found one which had the same problem, so i checked it. text file had some unknown char in it
[23:07] <Lord255> bb
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> francesc_, dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages  will give you a list of installed
[23:08] <francesc_> and through out the interfact?
[23:08] <francesc_> interface*
[23:08] <wilee-nilee> francesc_, all installed packages
[23:09] <wilee-nilee> francesc_, I use it for reinstalls
[23:10] <francesc_> wilee i mean
[23:10] <francesc_> to run it :P
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> !tab | francesc_
[23:11] <Kvisle> wilee-nilee: I'd rather help troubleshoot the problem and get it fixed upstream, I think -- if the user interface is broken in this way, it's a big bug
[23:11] <francesc_> ubottu: thank you :D
[23:11] <wilee-nilee> Kvisle, Your assuming your situation is a bug, it may not be.
[23:12] <Kvisle> wilee-nilee: if I click on the mixer, and it takes 15 seconds for it to appear --- yes, that's abug.
[23:12] <francesc_> wilee-nilee: I mean if I install skype and i want to use it ?: P where I have to click with the mouse?
[23:12] <wilee-nilee> Kvisle, Your complaint is the first I have seen, and nobody has responded, what does that tell you.
[23:13] <wilee-nilee> francesc_, In unity I would assume tyoe it ion the dash and click, add it to the panel if needed.
[23:13] <wilee-nilee> s/type/in
[23:13] <kostkon> francesc_, theres also skype-wrapper that will add it to the msging menu
[23:14] <moppy> Kvisle, is it just the global menu bar?
[23:14] <Kvisle> moppy: yes.
[23:14] <Kvisle> moppy: I've seen it lock up on several occasions, and then a couple of hours later it works faster -- but not fast enough ... I gave my computer a reboot, it works better now
[23:15] <wilee-nilee> Kvisle, may seem like a bug in your setup, however your set up may need a bit of work, say a simple reset, in other words this may not be playing out across the OS in general.
[23:15] <ragusource> is there a way to prevent users from changing their umask?
[23:15] <moppy> Kvisle, it's a knonw bug give me 1 sec to find the bug report
[23:15] <Kvisle> wilee-nilee: I'm gonna listen to moppy.
[23:15] <wilee-nilee> good for you
[23:16] <wilee-nilee> bugs are easy to find that should of been your first move
[23:16] <moppy> i think it's this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1199877
[23:17] <moppy> claims to be fixed in update
[23:17] <Kvisle> oh, cool -- maybe it's gone now since I just booted with new patches then
[23:17] <francesc_> kostkon: thank you anyway I did not understand I ll look on youtube D:
[23:18] <moppy> Kvisle, ah it came back - see the recent posts, dated a few hours ago
[23:18] <moppy> Kvisle, indicator-appmenu needs updating, following the instructions htere
[23:19] <Kvisle> moppy: I can see it, I still have the old one -- testing new
[23:20]  * wilee-nilee loves confirmation bias
[23:21] <Kvisle> wilee-nilee: the described symptoms of the original bug report matches pretty well - I've been using gimp a lot, and the problem has increased over time when using gimp.
[23:21] <Kvisle> so call it whatever you want
[23:21] <Kvisle> :P
[23:26] <Heynoww> howdy
[23:27] <Heynoww> I'm the owner of Lemonparty.org (nsfw).  If anyone wants some good exposure / good promotion, I would be happy to promote any venture or URL or aff link you want on this site in exchange for BTC.  This site has been referenced in television shows and movies.  Website receives thousands of visitors daily.  I'm also selling @Lemonparty.org email for the first time ever- for 0.015 Bitcoin
[23:27] <Heynoww> And provide proof I own it
[23:28] <moppy> this joke is a bit old isn't it?
[23:28] <Heynoww> 'joke' ?
[23:28] <Heynoww> yes it's a site that has been seen by hundreds of millions of people over the last decade.. but its still kickin;
[23:28] <winb> kick the guy please not relevant
[23:29] <Heynoww> Not necessary
[23:29] <Heynoww> I will leave on my own accord
[23:29] <Heynoww> Once again, PM me if you have interest.  It makes a good christmas present to an internet geek.  Goodbye
[23:29] <moppy> I was just observing that the lemonparty joke sees old, that;s all
[23:29] <winb> lame
[23:30] <bekks> Seems like funding drained out, when he is even begging for BTC in totally unrelated channels :) </ot>
[23:31] <moppy> he does have a point though, it would be a kind of funny thing to buy someone for christsmas
[23:31] <pero> i think my system has stop sending in bug/crash reports when something goes awry - is there any way i can look into it? i'm on 13.10
[23:31] <Kvisle> moppy: thanks a bunch :)
[23:33] <minimec> pero: 'sudo gedit /etc/default/apport' enabled=0 means no automatic bug report. Switch to '1' if you want.
[23:33] <pero> it's already at 1
[23:34] <minimec> pero: So no bugs... ;)
[23:34] <pero> just that after the last 10 or so incidents the browser hasn't popped up to take me to launchpad like it used to
[23:34] <pero> something crashes daily :)
[23:35] <GZA-Genius> quick and simple question if i add a program to Startup Programs will that execute said program under currently signed in user?
[23:36] <wilee-nilee> GZA-Genius, depends on the program.
[23:36] <wilee-nilee>  currently signed in user? not sure
[23:37] <wilee-nilee> thats really two questions, the program and if specific user
[23:37] <minimec> GZA-Genius: You have to logout/login to execute them. Every user can set them individually.
[23:38] <moppy> GZA-Genius,  in mine i have google chrome and pidgin - they both execute as me for obvious reasons
[23:41] <ni291187> I tried updating to 13.10, and my computer is broken now
[23:41] <ni291187> the resolution is broken, mouse doesn't work, keyboard doesn't work
[23:41] <cpined> hello, is this a place I can ask about opening a port?
[23:42] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Any of these have drivers associated, for example fro resolution a graphic driver?
[23:42] <GZA-Genius> minimec: i know you have to logout and back in once added, what i wanted to know is: say I am logged in now as "user" I add program to my Startup Applications lets say I add "tor --runasdaemon 1" when I log in next time will that process be run as "user"
[23:43] <wilee-nilee> cpined, ubuntu related yes.
[23:44] <cpined> hmmm...fedora?
[23:44] <asdasdasdasdasda> Hello, I want to ask if ubuntu respects users freedoms?
[23:44] <GZA-Genius> lol
[23:44] <cpined> is'nt it the same concept?
[23:44] <ni291187> I started the update process last night, when I woke up, the window was frozen, I restarted. res broken. I check to see if nvidia drivers are there, they appeared to be. i typed dpkg --connnsomething  -a the update stared running again. I reboot, now mouse and keyboard does not work in login screen, but it does work when selecting a boot option in grub
[23:44] <wilee-nilee> !ot | asdasdasdasdasda
[23:44] <apb1963> Some windows have "Attach As Tab To >" at the same level as "Other Actions"... other windows do not have it at all.  What generates those menus?
[23:45] <minimec> GZA-Genius: 'gnome-session-properties' is bound to the user that starts a session. So if user 'GZA'' adds a program to his session properties, the software should run as 'GZA', correct. Never checked that, but seems obvious to me.
[23:45] <kingbeast> why am I having such a time running apt-get update in 13.10?
[23:45] <ni291187> wilee-nilee , yes I am feeling it is a driver issue or perhaps something with the nvidia configure file
[23:45] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, A upgrade does not keep the graphic drivers, they need reloading.
[23:45] <apb1963> I'm using kde desktop
[23:45] <MonkeyDust> apb1963  me too
[23:45] <GZA-Genius> minimec: seemed obvious to me also but that dont mean its true ;) tnx
[23:46] <ni291187> ok, but my mouse and keyboard do not work now!!!
[23:46] <GZA-Genius> you mean #ubuntu isn't a Fedora support channel?
[23:47] <MonkeyDust> GZA-Genius  a Fedora is a hat => Red Hat, get the pun?
[23:47] <puff`> Hm, I just got a nexus 5 and I'm trying to figure out how to get music onto it from my ubuntu 13 latop.
[23:47] <ni291187> I went in to recovery mode, my mouse and keyboard do not work there either
[23:48] <GZA-Genius> puff`: just plug it in
[23:49] <GZA-Genius> puff`: the nexus should ask you what you want to connect to as: mass storage, media, camera
[23:49] <puff`> It offered Media Device and Camera.
[23:49] <GZA-Genius> just choose mass storage, depending on the android version that option may not be there so u would choose media device
[23:50] <puff`> GZA-Genius: Yeah, it didn't offer mass storage.  I see now that it's Media Devicethe file browser is listing an Internal Storage folder, so away we go...
[23:50] <puff`> GZA-Genius: Thanks.
[23:50] <ni291187> wilee-nilee , any ideas?
[23:51] <asdasdasdasdasda> is ubuntu collecting data about user and sending it to canonical?
[23:51] <GZA-Genius> ni291187: possible there is a short in usb connection?
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Your description is rather vague and includes a freeze up I would get to a cli and run sudo apt-get -f install to see if the upgrade finished.
[23:52] <ni291187> how do I boot in to cli?
[23:52] <GZA-Genius> ni291187: sometimes there may be a ground fault or short in the case/usb port. I have had systems lock up and not work because of that and just unplugging and plugging back in or to another port fixes the issue
[23:53] <ni291187> I tried unplugging and rep lugging
[23:53] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys
[23:53] <GZA-Genius> ni291187: alt+ctrl+f2 at login screen, or hold down shift before ubuntu boots to get recovery menu
[23:53] <Psil0Cybin> i am going to attempt to fix my blackscreen rpoblem when i get home.
[23:54] <Psil0Cybin> how come it happens tho often after a kernal update
[23:54] <Psil0Cybin> :S
[23:54] <Psil0Cybin> is there anyway to report this so it wont happen from now on?
[23:54] <GZA-Genius> ni291187: then choose the kernel version you want (recovery mode) then choose enable networking, then choose drop to root shell
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Ah, I forgot the keyboard problem sort of an important unit to get graphics and run that command. Can you get to the login and crtrl-alt-f1 and see if the keyboard works there.
[23:55] <ni291187> it does not, I tried that. I can't even turn on caps lock light when I push the caps lock button
[23:55] <GZA-Genius> ni291187: if it does I actually had the same issue yesterday with a clients laptop, its a strange bug but easily fixable
[23:56] <ni291187> oh, really?
[23:56] <ni291187> plz do tell
[23:56] <GZA-Genius> ni291187: have another mouse/keyboard laying around? is it a wireless set? is there something in the bios that may have been changed giving you issues?
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> ni291187, Out of my area to fix really, if it were me I would boot a live cd to make sure they work there, and consider grabbing what is needed and doing a fresh install, but I never upgrade myself.
[23:56] <ni291187> the keyboard works in grub
[23:57] <ni291187> but it breaks afterwards
[23:57] <GZA-Genius> strange
[23:58] <GZA-Genius> the bug i know about with 13.10 is the keyboard wont work in alot of the window spaces but your able to use the mouse, but the keyboard works 100% if you drop to shell
[23:59] <ni291187> I have to say that during the second update, I pushed yes for some sort of replace,ent, and I think it was something to do with grub or loader. it was recommended by the distributor or something like that
[23:59] <GZA-Genius> so if yours is not working in shell its obvious there is a different problem