[00:18] <aganabe> grub isnt support my monitor freq
[00:18] <aganabe> grub isnt shown
[00:18] <aganabe> how can i fix it
[00:30] <kanliot> aganabe, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1790342
[00:32] <aganabe> thx
[00:32] <aganabe> kanliot thx
[01:24] <wallnuts> Does anybody know how to enable a shell on tty8 I'd like to start a new xsession for another user account
[01:54] <aslanpayi> how can i use lubuntu on usb memory. not live, portable.
[01:55] <kanliot> you want a persistent system entirely on the usb, or you want to install to usb?
[01:55] <aslanpayi> install
[01:56] <aslanpayi> but i can use it every pc
[01:56] <kanliot> just go through the installer, but install to the usb
[01:57] <aslanpayi> when i do this can i use lubuntu another computer
[01:57] <kanliot> i really donno
[01:57] <aslanpayi> ok
[01:57] <aslanpayi> thx
[02:05] <aslanpayi> can another person help me?
[02:05] <aslanpayi> is it support ?? omg
[02:06] <kanliot> you  should wait, might take a while
[02:06] <kanliot> or ask in #ubuntu
[02:06] <aslanpayi> ok
[02:06] <aslanpayi> thx
[02:19] <amh345> are any of you running serviio media server?   im trying to get things functioning in this lubuntu install.  but no dice thus far.
[02:19] <amh345> for example.  when i open the program.  the serviio icon doesnt show up in what i think is lubuntu's taskbar
[02:34] <amh345> and there be no java either
[02:34] <amh345> nor can i even find he package
[02:34] <amh345> nothing works
[04:14] <pollard777> Hola, alquien habla español?
[04:16] <Unit193> !es
[04:23] <pollard777> Muchas gracias, muy amables.
[04:24] <Unit193> Have a good one.
[04:26] <kanliot> is there a list of ubbottu commands?
[04:26] <Unit193> !facts
[04:26] <Unit193> Dumb bot...
[04:26] <Unit193> !factoids
[04:27] <kanliot> k
[11:11] <unless_> Hello guys!
[11:12] <unless_> I am trying to use make command and it reports there is no cc installed, how do I install it?
[11:22] <unless_> Hey guys, how do I set desktop icon size?
[11:54] <Fat> bonjour
[11:55] <bioterror> godag
[11:55] <bioterror> +d ;)
[12:05] <unless_> hello!
[12:05] <unless_> how do I set a different fileBrowser other then the default?
[12:06] <bioterror> from pcmanfm to what?
[12:06] <bioterror> pcmanfm for example handles the desktop of lubuntu
[12:08] <unless_> I was thinking on Thunar. I already installed it but don't know how to set it as default. If possible.
[12:11] <bioterror> why you're not just installing xubuntu then?
[12:12] <unless_> well, I am quite a newbie and I just left Ubuntu because I didn't like the last version changes.
[12:13] <bioterror> you dont seem to like pcmanfm either :(
[12:13] <unless_> I am really in love with Lubuntu except that the default file manager doesn't follow along the system menu font or system font size.
[12:14] <unless_> But pcmanfm is not the OS, it just a crap file manager.
[12:14] <unless_> Hoep you are not part of the team :P
[12:15] <bioterror> pcmanfm is crap becouse you cant change font size?-)
[12:15] <lamogo> Lubuntu is designed to be lightweight.
[12:16] <lamogo> You can't go and buy a compact car and complain it doesn't haul your yacht.
[12:16] <bioterror> remove all the graphics stuff, install just plain openbox and add what ever you want
[12:17] <lamogo> If you use something for what it was meant for you'll always be happy with it.
[12:17] <unless_> well, for a visual operational system environment with is basically made to control files and etc, if you can't set s font accordingly which what you like it is very bad. What would be the main purpose of a File Manager on a visual file system other that be very friendly which user wishes?
[12:18] <bioterror> pcmanfm sniffs fronts from the lxappearance
[12:18] <bioterror> all the titlebars has font configs in obconf
[12:18] <bioterror> fonts even
[12:18] <unless_> yes
[12:19] <unless_> other than that I am not complaining it is over simplified, I like it having in mind my system will be light.
[12:19] <bioterror> pcmanfm:
[12:19] <bioterror> Download Size  : 137,98 KiB
[12:19] <bioterror> Installed Size : 1272,00 KiB
[12:19] <bioterror> thunar:Download Size  : 906,77 KiB
[12:19] <bioterror> Installed Size : 5156,00 KiB
[12:20] <bioterror> \o/
[12:20]  * lamogo laughs
[12:20] <unless_> yes, thunar does lots more than file managing. unfortunately.
[12:20] <bioterror> with GPRS connection it makes differences!
[12:21] <lamogo> Honestly /unless_  it is the Linux world that allows so much freedom.
[12:21] <bioterror> unless_, so tell us which font size you cant change in pcmanfm?
[12:21] <unless_> bioterror, same I've set on my hole system, 9
[12:21] <bioterror> lamogo, there's other shells for windows too instead of explorer.exe
[12:22] <lamogo> I know, I encourage his freedom and to experiment with all that Linux and FOSS has to offer
[12:23] <unless_> how do I remove a application ?
[12:23] <bioterror> !apt | unless_
[12:30] <unless_> thank you a lot bioterror! :o)
[12:36] <bioterror> apt is a lot more powerful from the command line than synaptic is
[12:36] <bioterror> with a properly configured shell it's quite easy
[12:41] <unless_> I have named my .vimrc mistaked as .rcvim, how can I use cp command to rename it, I am currently using cp ./.rcvim ./.vimrc but it throws cp: cannot stat `./.rcvim': No such file or directory
[12:41] <bioterror> no cp
[12:41] <bioterror> you use mv
[12:41] <unless_> ohcibi, ok
[12:42] <unless_> bioterror, still, same problem :P
[12:42] <bioterror> ?
[12:42] <unless_> mv: cannot stat `.rcvim': No such file or directory
[12:43] <unless_> ohcibi, ok I figured, wrong dir.
[12:43] <unless_> thank you!
[12:43] <bioterror> :D
[12:43] <bioterror> did you make yourself a good vimrc?
[12:46] <unless_> bioterror, hahaha... yes
[13:45] <trevjs> What would be a good channel to ask postfix on ubuntu questions?
[14:09] <trevjs> After installing postfix using apt-get and configuring with dpkg I can't connect to it with "telnet localhost 25" does anybody know why this would be?
[15:08] <kanliot> trevjs, did you config /opt/smtp-tunnel?
[15:46] <trevjs> I had been playing around with sasl and once I deleted those lines from main.cf and restarted it worked
[15:47] <trevjs> oh, yeah I got it fixed, never said anything.  thx though
[15:48] <kanliot> np
[17:52] <Tadekmocar> HI
[17:52] <Tadekmocar> what gui use lubuntu
[17:52] <Tadekmocar> is using*
[17:53] <bioterror> Openbox + lxde components on top of it
[17:53] <Tadekmocar> hmm if i install lxde on top of ubuntu 11.10 unity   i wont get lubuntu ?
[17:53] <bioterror> !purelxde
[17:54] <Tadekmocar> ok thanks
[17:54] <Tadekmocar> do i need to install openbox ? oir just lxde
[17:56] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[17:57] <bioterror> after you have logged into your lubuntu installation, you run that pure lxde stuff to remove gnome stuff
[17:57] <bioterror> or you can keep both
[17:58] <Tadekmocar> the problem is i already input "install lxde"
[17:58] <Tadekmocar> and install is in progress
[17:58] <bioterror> not a problem
[18:00] <Tadekmocar> it takes long, seems it is much megabytes
[18:01] <bioterror> not really
[18:01] <Tadekmocar> i do hope lubuntu will run faster than unity
[18:02] <holstein> you hope LXDE will run faster than unity
[18:02] <holstein> and lubuntu will run faster than ubuntu... they are the same underneath, but i would expect LXDE to be lighter
[18:04] <Tadekmocar> but anyway im installing it for other reason - unity looks like some toy for 4year old kid, and like it was designed to run facebook and utube
[18:04] <Tadekmocar> the icons/butoons/text is very big and blurry
[18:04] <holstein> i dont use unity, but im ok with it now that its faster, and stable
[18:04] <holstein> looks great.. clean and simple... coming along nicely
[18:04] <holstein> not for me though
[18:05] <bioterror> unity is a lot more complicated than gnome 3 shell
[18:05] <Tadekmocar> oh, and, does lubuntu allow to disable blur ? its one of most frustating things  i hate in linux
[18:05] <Tadekmocar> but it looks like made for kid
[18:05] <bioterror> blur is an awesome band
[18:05] <holstein> Tadekmocar: i would look at your graphics driver and resolution
[18:05] <Tadekmocar> resolution is 1152x864
[18:05] <Tadekmocar> before was using 1024x768
[18:06] <bioterror> 1152 is a horrible resolution
[18:06] <Tadekmocar> on windows text look nice and sharp but on linux is very blurred
[18:06] <bioterror> text is always on linux blurred
[18:06] <holstein> Tadekmocar: i would look for what the default resolution is
[18:06] <bioterror> that's becouse linux has a crappy antialiasing on fonts
[18:07] <Tadekmocar> i hate antialiasing
[18:07] <Tadekmocar> and my resolution is ok.. i see very much on windows
[18:08] <Tadekmocar> but the fonts are small and buttons too
[18:08] <holstein> Tadekmocar: windoes has a different driver though... and if the manufacturer will supply you a linux driver, you can compare the 2.. otherwise, its not really constructive to compare
[18:09] <Tadekmocar> its not driver issue, its problem with fonts/antialiasing
[18:09] <Tadekmocar> i can see when i do a print screen and zoom in
[18:09] <holstein> Tadekmocar: cool... enjoy then.. i usually have luck trying different drivers in native resolution... if you havent tried it, it literally wont hurt
[18:10] <holstein> i have no "blurry-ness" that bothers me
[18:10] <Tadekmocar> maybe u have HD resolution ?
[18:10] <Tadekmocar> what is yours
[18:11] <holstein> Tadekmocar: i would have stated so... i had fuzzy graphics .. on several machines... an old nvidia and a VIA chip
[18:11] <holstein> Tadekmocar: and others.. but i dont recall.. i always found a tolerable setting going through a troubleshooting process
[18:13] <Tadekmocar> btw. why is the lubuntu installer downloading chromium browser?
[18:13] <Tadekmocar> its full of spyware
[18:13] <holstein> Tadekmocar: its in the official repos, and doesnt contain any "spyware"
[18:13] <Tadekmocar> its made by google
[18:13] <holstein> you might be implying that chrome does, though it doesnt either..
[18:14] <holstein> chromium is not "made by google".. it is the opensource version
[18:14] <Tadekmocar> how you know ?
[18:14] <Tadekmocar> maybe.. but opensource!=spyware free
[18:14] <bioterror> :D
[18:14] <holstein> Tadekmocar: in the ubuntu repos is pretty secure.. you cant just stick packages in there
[18:15] <holstein> there are rules and regulations... and signatures.. and commities... and communities
[18:15] <holstein> Tadekmocar: check it out for yourself.. you can always purge chromium
[18:15] <holstein> Tadekmocar: nothing in lubuntu or ubuntu is hiding from you.. source is avaiable, and you can remove *anything*
[18:15] <holstein> Tadekmocar: look for yourself.... trust no one
[18:16] <holstein> Tadekmocar: i know, but cause i trust the ubuntu MOTU's and package maintainers
[18:16] <Tadekmocar> the thing is nobody can read and check all of the code.. checking one program would take month.. and the source might look clear, backdoors etc. are make that look like normal useful source
[18:17] <Tadekmocar> i trust nobody
[18:17] <holstein> Tadekmocar: cool.. you can check it for yourself though, or remove it, and use whatever browser you like
[18:17] <holstein> OR, no browser... or your own custom one
[18:18] <Tadekmocar> i will change it to other browser
[18:18] <holstein> Tadekmocar: its all open, so you are free to do what you like.. and thats about as good as it can get.. theres no one who can "do it for you" that you will trust
[18:18] <holstein> i would consider linux from scratch
[18:18] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/223948 is an example of the non-fuzz that i enjoy at native screen res
[18:19] <Tadekmocar> oh i see what u mean by native screen res
[18:19] <Tadekmocar> but i dont have native res..
[18:19] <Tadekmocar> im using 17" crt
[18:19] <Tadekmocar> any resolution is valid
[18:19] <holstein> Tadekmocar: the screen and card will have a "native" res
[18:20] <holstein> Tadekmocar: all are valid, sure, but one will be "native"
[18:20] <Tadekmocar> no.. man, only LCD have native res
[18:20] <holstein> Tadekmocar: the card will have one... or several
[18:20] <Tadekmocar> CRTs can work on any, and there is no difference in blur etc
[18:20] <Tadekmocar> the higher on CRT the better
[18:20] <holstein> Tadekmocar: again, you dont have to take my word for it.. i usually just poke around til something works, but i dont have "blurry" text
[18:21] <holstein> not on CRT's or lcds or laptops... whatever
[18:21] <Tadekmocar> ur text is a bit blurry, though not as much as mine
[18:21] <holstein> this is a troubleshooting stop that is just a suggestion for dealing with blurry looking text
[18:22] <holstein> well... maybe it looks blurry in the res you are using
[18:22] <holstein> it looks so sharp here, i can see the crookedness of the pixels.. but again.. do what you like
[18:22] <holstein> im just sharing what has worked for me, which literally wont hurt you to try
[18:23] <TadekMocarzzz> im back
[18:24] <TadekMocarzzz> the blur is called ClearType or something like that
[18:24] <TadekMocarzzz> its technology to make antialiased text
[18:24] <TadekMocarzzz> but i dont like it
[18:25] <TadekMocarzzz> on windows u can choose if u want to use it.. was thinking on linux can choose too
[18:25] <holstein> TadekMocarzzz: its all open.. you can do what you like
[18:25] <TadekMocarzzz> im not going to recompile linux to get normal text. i like to Click on options, creators, menus..
[18:26] <TadekMocarzzz> mouse is great hardware
[18:26] <holstein> TadekMocarzzz: sure.. enjoy the GUI... should be in the font settings, or desktop settings
[18:26] <holstein> i set mine in a GUI
[18:26] <TadekMocarzzz> will try
[18:27] <TadekMocarzzz> Installer tell me to choose display manager     gdm  lightdm  lxdm
[18:27] <TadekMocarzzz> what they are
[18:28] <TadekMocarzzz> ok i want to use lxdm, doesnt I ?
[18:28] <TadekMocarzzz> gdm = gnome
[18:28] <holstein> you can use what you like.. try them all.. that literally wont hurt either.. thats something linux is good for.. choice
[18:29] <TadekMocarzzz> i like choice too, but windows95-style like gui is perfect for me
[18:29] <TadekMocarzzz> its simple, gray and small
[18:30] <TadekMocarzzz> windows with each new version is uglier for me
[18:30] <holstein> TadekMocarzzz: windows 95 is just that though.. from 95.. its challening to find a modern solution that emulates that environment
[18:31] <holstein> there are a few though.. i forget the old one that looked just like that.. im searching
[18:31] <holstein> you will likely loose something you want/need as far as ease of use, and functionality
[18:32] <bioterror> windows95 style gui = icewm ;)
[18:32] <holstein> yeah... thats it :)
[18:32] <holstein> http://www.icewm.org/
[18:34] <holstein> or http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fvwm95.gif from http://xwinman.org/fvwm95.php ...thats the one i was thinking of
[18:35] <bioterror> fvwm is horrible
[18:35] <bioterror> I spent sunday and monday with it :D
[18:36] <holstein> i made it a few hours
[18:36] <TadekMocarzzz> icewm : >Usable with GNOME and KDE environments
[18:36] <TadekMocarzzz> it is not what im using, right?
[18:36] <holstein> TadekMocarzzz: it'll pull in what it needs
[18:36] <bioterror> holstein, http://xpde.holobit.net/
[18:37] <holstein> bioterror: HA!.. interesting
[18:38] <TadekMocarzzz> peerfect
[18:44] <holstein> i thought http://razor-qt.org/ looked promising too for that kind of look/feel
[18:47] <Timo_> bioterror: why would someone mimic a Windows XP enviroment? xd
[18:47] <Timo_> well it could be helpful if you want to use Linux at work, but you dont want others to know you are using it :P
[18:48] <TadekMocarzzz> there is another reasson: beauty
[18:48] <bioterror> xp theme is far from the beauty
[18:49] <bioterror> so is windows classic
[18:49] <holstein> thats opinion though... i think its nice to have a drop in replacement for folks in a corporate envirnoment who are expecting XP
[18:49] <bioterror> zune is almost there :--)
[18:50] <Timo_> TadekMocarzzz: this windows XP theme is looking aweful, imo. But well, tastes differ, I guess :p
[18:50] <bioterror> windows 7 looks good, vista almost
[18:50] <Timo_> true dat
[18:50] <bioterror> I wish kde wasnt so horrible to use
[18:50] <bioterror> wish it was more like GNOME with the KDE looks
[18:51] <Timo_> Hey just a short question here, the window border in OpenBox, is it possible to make that look like Ubuntu's window border?
[18:51] <holstein> bioterror: agreed... its *so* slick (kde) but too heavy for my taste
[18:51] <bioterror> how does it look like?
[18:51] <bioterror> holstein, it's not the heavy, it's just complicated
[18:51] <bioterror> it just makes it impossible to use
[18:52] <TadekMocarzzz> Timo_ if u mean windows xp theme, this blue one, they i agree its ugly
[18:53] <TadekMocarzzz> but windows xp set as classic gui (win95) looks perfect
[18:53] <stlsaint> awesomeWM FTW!
[18:53] <holstein> bioterror: i can identify with that too... configuration overload :/
[18:54] <bioterror> http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-startup/images/kde_kcontrol_main.png this
[18:54] <bioterror> you open something from there
[18:54] <bioterror> and it's full of new tabs
[18:55] <bioterror> I'm getting a new desktop computer soon, but I have not decided what I'll put into it
[18:57] <TadekMocarzzz> what pc u currently hav
[18:57] <bioterror> one acer with gnome 3 ;)
[18:58] <bioterror> I'll upgrade from AMD X2 to Intel i5
[18:58] <TadekMocarzzz> amd x2 is strong enough imho
[18:59] <TadekMocarzzz> for anything
[18:59] <bioterror> yes and no
[18:59] <TadekMocarzzz> i have one core 1.8ghz athlon and its fast
[18:59] <holstein> depends on what you are doing
[18:59] <bioterror> it could be faster :-)
[19:00] <TadekMocarzzz> sometimes i have to wait when ex.unpacking few-gigabyte archives etc. but i just use internet / do anything for  few minutes
[19:00] <holstein> if you do a lot of compling or rendoring, you could save a lot of time.. if that time = money, then the new machine pays for itself
[19:00] <holstein> render*
[19:01] <TadekMocarzzz> i do compiling but my programs never take more than 10k lines, and 1k lines per file
[19:01] <bioterror> well, I visited yesterday my office and my ex boss was whining "we have lots of desktop and 22 flat screen, dont you want them instead" when I was asking a laptop for recording guitar
[19:01] <bioterror> 22"
[19:02] <TadekMocarzzz> i hav 17
[19:02] <TadekMocarzzz> lubuntu installed, what do ? how to run it
[19:03] <bioterror> so I asked if he has DMS-59 graphics cards
[19:03] <bioterror> and he said he'll fix one
[19:16] <TadekMocarzzz> how to run lubuntu ? reboot?
[19:16] <TadekMocarzzz> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-21-generic
[19:19] <bioterror> sudo reboot
[19:19] <bioterror> and then choose lubuntu as your your
[19:19] <bioterror> session
[19:19] <bioterror> :D
[19:21] <TadekMocarzzz> when i click Desktop combobox i get like 15 to choose
[19:21] <TadekMocarzzz> are they all working ?
[19:21] <TadekMocarzzz> or only some are installed
[19:22] <TadekMocarzzz> what is my username ?
[19:23] <TadekMocarzzz> ok it works
[19:24] <TadekMocarzzz> its blurry but looks 3times better than unity, at least Start menu is present, and smaller butons
[19:33] <holstein> try and imagine you just loaded up windows for the first time, and you are clicking around... learning where things are
[19:33] <holstein> we dont try and emulate other operating systems really, so there will be a learning curve, just as there was for windows or whatever other OS's you might have used
[19:35] <TadekMocarzzz> its not first time i use linux
[19:35] <TadekMocarzzz> but i dont have knowledge and skills
[19:36] <holstein> sure you do... but you'll still need to adapt your skills to the current situation
[19:36] <Unit193> Blurry?
[19:36] <TadekMocarzzz> yes blur = antialiasing
[19:37] <TadekMocarzzz> the text is not sharp
[19:37] <holstein> id like to see a screenshot.. i still think it might be the resolution
[19:41] <TadekMocarzzz> holstein heres http://imagebin.org/223962
[19:41] <TadekMocarzzz> compare linux (on right) vs windows on left
[19:41] <TadekMocarzzz> look into torbrowser windows, text is sharp and clean
[19:41] <bioterror> virtualbox
[19:41] <TadekMocarzzz> window*
[19:43] <TadekMocarzzz> see the difference between rockbox.txt opened text file vs torbrowser  ?
[19:43] <TadekMocarzzz> thats what i mean by blurry
[19:43] <holstein> you cant compare linus and windows.. they have different drivers, and the manufacturer may not support linux
[19:44] <holstein> and, that looks pretty sharp on my screen, so i would look at the screen resolution, maybe try a few options
[19:45] <TadekMocarzzz> its not like i cant read the text.. but i prefer sharp like windows
[19:45] <holstein> TadekMocarzzz: then, i would just undo the text smoothing, if you dont like it
[19:46] <TadekMocarzzz> linux text is like u used ComisSans font on windows, kind of cartoon/text
[19:46] <holstein> it looks very clean and readable to me
[19:46] <TadekMocarzzz> how to turn it off
[19:46] <TadekMocarzzz> text smoothing
[19:48] <holstein> i would try http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1486
[19:48] <holstein> might need to log out and back in
[19:49] <kanliot> are you runnning your screen in it's native resolution?
[19:49] <kanliot> its
[19:50] <holstein> kanliot: we've had that conversation... its a CRT, and CRT's "dont have a native resolution"
[19:50] <kanliot> :)
[19:50] <holstein> doesnt look like its running native anyway... lubuntu is virtualized
[19:51] <Unit193> Also seems to be VBox...
[19:52] <holstein> yeah.. knowing that rules out the graphics driver as the cause
[19:54] <kanliot> well you turned off sub-pixel geo, right?
[20:01] <TadekMocarzzz> i cant file that file
[20:01] <TadekMocarzzz> from that thread
[20:02] <TadekMocarzzz> find*
[20:04] <holstein> there are a few options there... if it were me, i would enjoyt he defaults for a bit.. get my feet wet...
[20:05] <kanliot> TadekMocarzzz, did you turn subpixel off?
[20:06] <TadekMocarzzz> no, i dont know how
[20:06] <TadekMocarzzz> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xresources
[20:07] <TadekMocarzzz> dont understand Getting started paragraph
[20:07] <kanliot> it's next to font smoothing on look and feel
[20:07] <TadekMocarzzz> i have opened "Openbox configuration manager"
[20:07] <TadekMocarzzz> there is appearance tab
[20:07] <TadekMocarzzz> but nothing like subpixel or antialias
[20:08] <holstein> sometimes, i suggest making a different user, and just experimenting with the settings... then if you break something, you can just delete that user
[20:08] <TadekMocarzzz> oh i see
[20:08] <TadekMocarzzz> there is look and feel somethin
[20:13] <TadekMocarzzz> kanliot, thanks man, look n feel it make it looks like windows
[20:13] <TadekMocarzzz> no more blur
[20:14] <kanliot> yeah
[20:14] <holstein> makes your lubuntu look more like your windows
[20:14] <TadekMocarzzz> the mouse cursor is still blurred but thats not a big issue
[20:16] <holstein> the pixelated tail shouldnt be hard to emulate if thats what you want
[20:17] <TadekMocarzzz> yes, i prefer simple pixelated two colored cursor, just black and white
[20:18] <holstein> sure... you can literally open up a graphics creation tool, and make your own if you'd like
[20:18] <holstein> its not like windows really though, you wont notice an improvement in resource usage by stepping everything down inthe UI like that
[20:18] <TadekMocarzzz> its not about resource usage, i have bags of ram
[20:19] <TadekMocarzzz> just want it to look good, nice, clean
[20:19] <holstein> enjoy then!... use whatever cursor you like... im sure you can find that exact XP cursor theme for xxde
[20:19] <holstein> lxde*
[20:19] <holstein> TadekMocarzzz: nice is a matter of opinion... clean can be too
[20:19] <holstein> if you want to imulate XP, you can
[22:05] <TadekMocarzzz> what i dont like about linux, is u have to enter password 10 times a day
[22:11] <cr1st0> hello lubuntu with wubi is much slower then normal ubuntu?
[22:12] <Unit193> Did you just compare Wubi to non-wubi?
[22:13] <cr1st0> maybe :|
[22:14] <Unit193> Wubi is le crap, are you talking Unity or Gnome2 days?
[22:15] <cr1st0> i installed lubuntu with wubi, lxde then
[22:23] <TadekMocarzzz> linux is not that bad, after some configuration
[22:23] <Timo_> Hi, I know I can make a dock from LXPanel, but is there a way to give the applications in the dock a keyboard shortcut (like in DockbarX for exmple, I can switch between applications by typing SUPER+appnumber)
[22:25] <gld1982ltd> Hi all. I have successfully been using lxmed to edit my menu. i'm trying to package lxmed into a deb. Can anyone help me? I keep ending up with an empty binary.
[22:33] <Unit193> I'd generally recommend -motu on that, though -packaging if that exists would be good.
[22:34] <Unit193> #ubuntu-packaging 50 :Packaging for Ubuntu, including new packages, PPA packages, etc.   For working on Ubuntu, see #ubuntu-devel, for writing applications, see #ubuntu-app-devel
[22:36] <gld1982ltd> what is -motu?
[22:37] <Unit193> !motu
[22:37] <Unit193> Quantal: Archive open | Want to get involved with the MOTU?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://bit.ly/fz6AyQ | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs |  http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs
[22:38] <gld1982ltd> thanks.
[22:40] <Unit193> Hope they can get it, though on an application note, I remember some reason that one had issues.
[22:42] <gld1982ltd> I have had no issues with it since the upgrade to 12.04. It used to need to be run a few times for the changes to take effect. it seems to work perfectly now.
[22:44] <gld1982ltd> Applications that are specified for gnome or whatever still have to have their desktop files edited to remove the dependency of gnome desktop environment for the app to be displayed in the menu. once you edit the desktop file, you can use lxmed to enable or disable it from the menu.
[22:45] <gld1982ltd> i use a plethora of apps from gnome, kde, lxde, and xfce, so I have had to edit many desktop files. I like that lxmed can edit them for you as long as it can read them.
[23:08] <TadekMocarzzz> anyone here using "make"?
[23:15] <kanliot> ys
[23:16] <TadekMocarzzz> i compiled a software using "make"
[23:16] <TadekMocarzzz> the question is, if i change one file, will using "make" recompile everything? or just that file
[23:16] <kanliot> evrything
[23:16] <TadekMocarzzz> damn, thats very bad
[23:16] <TadekMocarzzz> what do?
[23:17] <TadekMocarzzz> the compilation takes 35minutes
[23:17] <kanliot> make doesn't recompile stuff with no changes
[23:18] <TadekMocarzzz> so only one file with change will recompile
[23:18] <kanliot> depends
[23:19] <kanliot> but it won't take 35 mins
[23:20] <TadekMocarzzz> ok seems it is not recompiling everything, i didnt change anything and used second time make
[23:25] <Unit193> TadekMocarzzz: What type of file did you change?
[23:25] <Unit193> Some files you need to   make clean   before building again, or it doesn't work right.
[23:25] <TadekMocarzzz> which files
[23:26] <TadekMocarzzz> i didnt changed nothing yet, just used make again


[04:54] <rsalveti> infinity: opened bug 1436162 to track the issue, still investigating though
[05:38] <rsalveti> infinity: is there any sane way to bisect glibc?
[05:47] <hallyn> slangasek: hi, i'm out the next two days, but if you have time would you mind looking at / sponsoring http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cgmanager/cgmanager_0.36-3.dsc into sid
[07:27] <happyaron> doko_: some of them, definitely not all
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <doko> happyaron, you need to seed these, or depend on these, or recommend these
[09:41] <infinity> rsalveti: The upstream project, sure, the package, slightly less so...
[10:02] <svenx> GunnarHj: ref langpack-locales; i'm trying to get my autoinstaller (FAI) to set up locales for both debian and ubuntu. debian's 'locales' package has its debconf locales/locales_to_be_generated multiselect. there doesn't seem to be anything similar for langpack-locales. say, when i need en_US.utf-8 and pl_PL.utf-8 on a system
[10:02] <svenx> GunnarHj: are there alternatives to debconf for this sort of config?
[10:15] <infinity> svenx: The traditional Ubuntu way to get en and pl locales is to install language-pack-{en,pl}
[10:16] <infinity> svenx: I do plan to bring the Ubuntu and Debian locale packaging a bit closer together, so it's less surprising moving between them, but that's generally the expected "normal" way to to do it in Ubuntu.
[10:17] <svenx> infinity: hm, okay. that's fair. i had hoped to avoid the 16 additional en_* locales, but it's not a big deal :)
[10:18] <svenx> i'll just install those packages for now
[10:18] <infinity> svenx: The other option is just a late_cmd to "locale-gen pl en" (or a subset)
[10:18] <infinity> svenx: "locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 pl_PL.UTF-8" would get you exactly what you want, for instance.
[10:19] <svenx> infinity: ahh, that's perfect. i had constructed a wrong locale-gen command, apparently. so it didn't work
[10:19] <svenx> this works much better
[10:19] <infinity> svenx: That said, if the machine intends to have users who use things locally, you kinda want langpacks to go with the locales anyway.
[10:19] <svenx> infinity: agreed
[10:19] <infinity> svenx: If this is a server that just needs the locales to be able to serve web content happily, then that's less interesting, I agree.
[10:20] <svenx> that's the case here. it's just a few admins with different workstation locales, so it's nice to avoid the warnings
[10:21] <infinity> svenx: Ahh, yeah.  I find Debian's "locales-all" package is the easiest way to avoid that pain, and I intend to make locales-all work in Ubuntu too, it just keeps taking a back seat to fixing actual bugs. :P
[10:28] <infinity> rsalveti: The core from the crash might be nice.
[10:29] <infinity> rsalveti: Lemme see if I can reproduce on shedir.
[10:37] <GunnarHj> svenx: Saw you got help. I was about to suggest
[10:37] <GunnarHj> sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 pl_PL.UTF-8
[10:37] <GunnarHj> too.
[10:41] <svenx> GunnarHj: yep, it works nicely
[11:25] <Riddell> no sweetshark this week?
[11:29] <mdeslaur> Riddell: he's in #ubuntu-desktop if you're looking for him
[11:50] <strikov> jodh: hi James! rbasak told me that you may have some clue on the current state of upstart in vivid; i'm trying to install upstart to run some tests which were not ported to systemd yet; while upstart package installs w/o any issue i get 'Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist' while trying to use upstart; should this work or it's completely broken now? Thanks
[11:52] <rbasak> strikov: are you rebooting into upstart after installing it? Or is systemd will in use there?
[11:53] <strikov> rbasak: few weeks ago upstart package removed systemd but now it doesn't; that might be the issue
[11:54] <strikov> rbasak: what do you mean by 'rebooting into upstart'; any cmd line changes? it worked just from the box few weeks ago
[11:54] <rbasak> strikov: I'm not sure exactly, but I'd expect things not to work unless upstart is actually your system init
[11:54] <rbasak> Is it possible that you're still using systemd?
[11:54] <rbasak> Maybe try /sbin/init --version to see
[11:55] <rbasak> (systemd gives an error; upstart reports itself)
[11:55] <strikov> rbasak: error, it looks like i need to manually remove systemd; hope i won't break the instance :)
[11:55] <didrocks> strikov: if you want to boot with upstart, you need now to install upstart-sysv
[11:55] <strikov> didrocks: thanks, trying
[11:56] <didrocks> (to boot it by default, note that you have a grub entry anyway to boot it if needed while keeping systemd as the default)
[11:56] <infinity> strikov: If your goal is replacing the system init, you want "upstart-sysv", we shuffled the packages around a bit.
[11:57] <infinity> strikov: Oh, didrocks said that. :P
[11:57] <strikov> I see. So 'upstart' package adds grub entry and upstart-sysv does complete switch. Is it right?
[11:57] <strikov> didrocks: infinity: thanks!
[11:57] <infinity> strikov: "upstart" does the same thing "systemd" is.  That is, installs a non-conflicting init system that doesn't take over all the conflicting binaries like /sbin/init
[11:57] <didrocks> strikov: yeah, upstart contains the binaries, upstart-sysv do what is necessary to set upstart as default
[12:54] <dz0ny> fyi recovery mode(boot option) also expects upstart but is run with systemd. Enabling network then fails
[12:55] <dz0ny> also per spec if some critical unit fails to start it should put itself to systemd recovery/emergency target
[12:55] <dz0ny> but does not
[12:56]  * dz0ny had problems recovering from bad dkms build
[12:57] <didrocks> dz0ny: interesting, the fallback to emergency mode definitively work (can tell you that with messing a lot with system units), but I guess we never played with the recovery entry mode, mind filing a bug?
[13:01] <dz0ny> didrocks: sure just tell me where :)?
[13:02] <dz0ny> i mean to which package should i attach bug
[13:02] <didrocks> dz0ny: I would say systemd first, adding the systemd-boot tag please
[13:20] <rsalveti> infinity: found the issue
[13:21] <rsalveti> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-good1.0/+bug/1436162/comments/6
[13:21] <rsalveti> infinity: we're basically disabling futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic with latest glibc
[13:21] <rsalveti> because it gets built with an older kernel header
[13:23] <rsalveti> as a consequence, it can't really guarantee that more than one pcond_wait will result in the correct mutext count, when it gets a broadcast signal
[13:23] <rsalveti> checking now the minimal kernel that should, in theory, support futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic for arm already
[13:50] <infinity> rsalveti: 3.14.3
[13:50] <rsalveti> infinity: SMP support for futex_atomic_cmpxchg_inatomic was added in 2.6.38, but it requires !CPU_USE_DOMAINS.
[13:51] <infinity> rsalveti: Right, which means we can't make assumptions.
[13:52] <rsalveti> the restriction for CPU_USE_DOMAINS was removed in 3.14.3
[13:52] <infinity> rsalveti: But if we had that on unconditionally before (however incorrectly) and no one complained, we can carry a local patch to return to that state.
[13:52] <rsalveti> infinity: the problem is that it's always disabled atm
[13:52] <rsalveti> even if you have a compatible kernel
[13:52] <infinity> rsalveti: The bigger question becomes, though, why things are breaking with that assumption in play.
[13:53] <infinity> rsalveti: Not always, I just assume you're testing on ancient Android kernels. :P
[13:53] <mardy> mvo: hi! Not sure if this is a bug, but if I run dpkg-architecture in an 14.04 armhf chroot, DEB_HOST_ARCH is armhf; if I run the same in a 14.10 chroot, I get amd64
[13:53] <rsalveti> infinity: always because this is a build time decision
[13:53] <rsalveti> and we're building with a kernel header that is old enough for the check to disable it completely
[13:53] <infinity> rsalveti: Oh, indeed.  Sorry.
[13:53] <infinity> rsalveti: No, we're not building with old kernel headers.
[13:54] <infinity> rsalveti: But we are building with an old minkver.
[13:54] <rsalveti> exactly, that is the one used
[13:54] <rsalveti> the define was  2.6.32
[13:54] <infinity> Right.
[13:54] <infinity> But that has nothing to do with headers, just saying.
[13:55] <rsalveti> sorry, thought it was getting that from the header, but you know better
[13:55] <infinity> Anyhow, those ASSUME defs are correct.  So, it would be nice to know why things break in that configuration.
[13:55] <infinity> But if we were incorrectly building with that on before, we can do so again.
[13:55] <infinity> rsalveti: YOu can tell which headers it was built against by running the libc6 binary.
[13:56] <rsalveti> got it
[13:56] <rsalveti> they break probably because pthread_cond_wait depends on atomic operations
[13:56] <rsalveti> and in this case we had more than one thread waiting on the same condition
[13:56] <infinity> Oh, no you can't.  Huh.  I wonder who pulled that out.
[13:57] <infinity> rsalveti: Well, that's the thing.  pthread_cond_wait should have a fallback implementation.
[13:57] <infinity> rsalveti: But, whatever.  Can hunt that later.  For now, I'll confirm that this is a regression in how we're building and locally patch it.
[13:57] <rsalveti> but would it be completely safe still even if not using the correct calls?
[13:58] <rsalveti> right
[14:02] <infinity> rsalveti: A safe implementation could be written, it would just be slow.  So, the fallback is obviously buggy.
[14:02] <rsalveti> right
[14:02] <rsalveti> it's still something we want to use if the kernel supports though
[14:03] <rsalveti> too bad it's a build time decision
[14:05] <mvo> mardy: it certainly sounds like one, let me reproduce
[14:05] <infinity> rsalveti: Making all those branches be runtime decisions would slow down libc a whole lot.
[14:06] <rsalveti> infinity: right, but sucks from a distro pov
[14:06] <rsalveti> I know we have other components requiring a newer kernel, not sure what is currently the minimal one to be supported by our release
[14:12] <infinity> rsalveti: For the most part, building for an older target isn't really a big deal.  We lost one or two syscalls and noone actually cares (and we can run in chroots on older kernels, which is handy).
[14:12] <infinity> rsalveti: But in this case, yeah.  Ick.  Seems we're damned if we do, damned if we don't right now.
[14:12] <mardy> mvo: sorry, my mistake: in the 14.10 chroot, I was inside a "maint" command; to get the env right, I need to use the "run" command
[14:12] <infinity> rsalveti: I'm not happy about reverting this (since it's correct), but less happy about spending the next week trying to fix the fallback to not be broken.
[14:13] <mvo> mardy: aha, ok. thanks
[14:13] <mardy> mvo: anyway, could click set the PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
[14:13] <infinity> rsalveti: Anyhow, I assume fixing this isn't blocking anyone from getting on with life, and I can land it after the beta?
[14:16] <infinity> rsalveti: (Also, I'd just been looking at those commits, which was why the "3.14.3" response popped off the top of my head so readily, heh)
[14:16] <infinity> rsalveti: But I couldn't reproduce the issue, so looking at the commit was as far as I'd gotten.
[14:23] <rsalveti> infinity: this is currently a critical issue for touch, so if could land sooner would be nice
[14:24] <rsalveti> we basically can't use multimedia at all
[14:24] <rsalveti> but I know we have the beta restrictions, so not sure
[14:25] <rsalveti> infinity: when is beta going to be released, tomorrow?
[14:25] <infinity> rsalveti: I have no urge to respin the beta images just for this, but I can prep it now, block it in -proposed, and let it through if something else forces a respin.
[14:25] <infinity> rsalveti: Otherwise, yeah, beta should happen tomorrow.
[14:25] <rsalveti> infinity: cool, sounds like a good plan
[14:28] <mvo> mardy: how should it be set?
[14:33] <mardy> mvo: whenever I open a "run" command, I type "export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkgconfig/:${PKG_CONFIG_PATH}"
[14:34] <mvo> mardy: ok, I think then that makes sense indeed
[14:34] <mardy> mvo: otherwise pkg-config only looks in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/, and there isn't much there
[14:37] <mvo> mardy: does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1436368 look ok?
[14:39] <mardy> mvo: thanks, subscribed
[15:03] <dobey> mvo, mardy: that seems weird. is that because it's the x86 version of pkg-config command being run i guess?
[15:05] <mvo> dobey: yes
[15:06] <dobey> ok yeah, makes sense to set it then, but i think for the cross-chroots we probably want to make sure /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig isn't in the path as well
[15:36] <seb128> hum
[15:37] <seb128> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1435714
[15:37] <infinity> seb128: Is that not fixed?
[15:37] <seb128> cyphermox, I'm unsure if that's the same issue, but with today's daily ubuntu-desktop amd64, installing in french give a /etc/default/keyboard which has XKBMODEL=""
[15:37] <cyphermox> seb128: yeah, are you saying it's still happening?
[15:38] <seb128> same for XKBLAYOUT and VARIANT and OPTIONS
[15:38] <cyphermox> ok
[15:38] <seb128> infinity, ^ I guess that means not fixed?
[15:38] <seb128> or the fr issue is a different one
[15:38] <infinity> seb128: Or cyphermox just hates the French.
[15:38] <cyphermox> does it happen with fr only?
[15:39] <seb128> cyphermox, I don't know, I just did a french install, can try another locale if you wanty
[15:39] <cyphermox> I don't know
[15:39] <seb128> let me try a german one
[15:39] <infinity> seb128: You're positive it was today's daily with that version of ubiquity?
[15:40] <cyphermox> can you check /usr/lib/ubiquity/console-setup/keyboard-configuration.postinst to see if it's good?
[15:40] <cyphermox> hopefully I have the right path
[15:40] <cyphermox> I have desktop-amd64 now, I can check it quick
[15:41] <seb128> infinity, let me check, I download this morning around 11 european time
[15:41] <infinity> My ISO will be here some day so I can check...
[15:41] <seb128> I'm booting it
[15:41] <seb128> can't check from the iso menu since that machine is uefi and I don't get the nice menu where I can do f1 to get info
[15:42] <seb128> infinity, cyphermox, no, that iso has ubiquity .16, sorry about that
[15:43] <seb128> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/vivid-desktop-amd64.manifest as well
[15:43] <seb128> infinity, cyphermox, we didn't get a respin with the new ubiquity?
[15:43] <infinity> seb128: Hrm, current might not be.
[15:43] <seb128> seems so
[15:43] <infinity> seb128: 20150325 has the right version.
[15:44] <seb128> bah, current is not current :-)
[15:44] <infinity> Hence why the ISO tracker references by build number, not the current directory.
[15:44] <cyphermox> it's not right
[15:44] <seb128> hehe
[15:44] <seb128> sorry for the noise
[16:39] <arges> infinity: hey, whats with the new pending-sru.html page? i see autopkgtest failures, how should i be resolving/handling these? if the failure is a test case-problem, is there a way of re-running / etc.
[16:39] <arges> infinity: not sure if I'll get to much today, but I just dont want to mess things up
[16:43] <infinity> arges: Right now, we're not gating on any of that, just providing it as extra info.  Use at your discretion, I guess.  I've been perusing some here and there to see if they relate to the package uploaded or appear to just be broken tests, etc.
[16:44] <arges> infinity: Ok, makes sense to me.
[16:44] <infinity> arges: I don't think we'll be able to fully gate on autopkgtest for SRUs like we do for devel until we clean up a LOT of tests (and also make the infra less wobbly), so right now, it's just there to help inform your promotion decisions.
[16:44] <arges> infinity: yea if i see a legit failure, i'll investigate / comment on bug. thanks
[16:45] <infinity> arges: As for how to retry them, click the internal link instead of the external link, log in, and retry.
[16:46] <arges> ack
[16:46] <infinity> arges: Any intersection of core-dev and "can get to that bit of the Canonical network" can retry.
[16:46] <infinity> arges: Obviously, I'd prefer that second restriction go away, but I think that'll require a move from Jenkins (*spit*) to something sensible.
[16:47] <arges> yea i understand how fragile jenkins is
[17:23] <Riddell> bdmurray: could you review bug 1436328 ?
[17:25] <bdmurray> Riddell: I don't think I'm in the right team to actually do anything about an FFe.
[17:26] <bdmurray> Oh, I see your comment now though.
[17:28] <Riddell> happyaron: fcitx is in ubuntu unity? how come I still see ibus in the seeds for it?  what do I need to do to change kubuntu?
[17:33] <happyaron> Riddell: it's now default for zh_* locale, still using ibus for others. we're trying it to decide whether we can make it default for everyone in vivid+1
[17:33] <happyaron> Riddell: so what you want, the same as ubuntu unity, or make it default directly?
[17:35] <happyaron> doko: perhaps that's not happening in this cycle, they'll be pulled by language-selector in next cycle once fcitx replaces ibus for everybody
[17:38] <doko> happyaron, ok, demoting
[17:39] <happyaron> ok
[18:12] <Riddell> happyaron: um I don't know, I was kindae hoping you'd know!
[18:16] <happyaron> Riddell: I tend to have fcitx default for everyone in Kubuntu, but let's discuss with GunnarHj, if we want a different setup (fcitx default for everyone) from unity then we need his help
[18:17] <GunnarHj> happyaron, Riddell: I'm here now. What's up?
[18:17] <happyaron> GunnarHj: hey, will it be harmful if we add im:${LANG}:fcitx:${pkgs} for non-zh languages?
[18:18] <happyaron> I think that's what we need to have fcitx default for everyone in Kubuntu (remove ibus from its seed)
[18:19] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Does Kubuntu want fcitx default for everyone in 15.04?
[18:19] <happyaron> GunnarHj: we are discussing that, :)
[18:19] <Riddell> GunnarHj: we want whatever works best but none of us kubuntu people know that
[18:21] <GunnarHj> happyaron, Riddell: As far as I can tell out of the box, the approach which has been implemented for Chinese is generic, and can be used for any language.
[18:22] <happyaron> GunnarHj: it's temporary solution for Ubuntu unity, I doubt if we need the process for Kubuntu. Fcitx itself has much better integration with plasma desktop
[18:22] <happyaron> i.e. kimpanel plasma widget, kcm module
[18:23] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Would it be necessary to remove ibus from the seed? What about people who upgrade their Kubuntu version and used ibus up to now?
[18:24] <Riddell> GunnarHj: the seed currently has ibus-qt4 and ibus-qt5 in it, they can be removed easily enough
[18:24] <happyaron> GunnarHj: yes removing is required, and otherwise nothing will change, like what we did in Ubuntu (don't touch existing installations)
[18:25] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Since im-config (now) has ibus as default you mean?
[18:26] <happyaron> yep
[18:26] <GunnarHj> happyaron: I see. Btw, upgrades won't probably be a problem for those using ibus and want to keep it. Upgrading shouldn't uninstall ibus.
[18:27] <happyaron> GunnarHj: yes, and we need a l-s change to suggest installations of fcitx packages when needed
[18:27] <happyaron> AFAIK check-language-support is used in Kubuntu
[18:29] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Hmm... check-language-support & friends are indeed used in all the flavors. Did you see what I just did in pkg_depends? I'm not sure how to handle different approaches in various flavors...
[18:31] <happyaron> no didn't see it, it's trapped in queue I guess?
[18:31] <GunnarHj> happyaron: You can look at the branch (linked from the bug report).
[18:32] <happyaron> ok I see
[18:32] <happyaron> GunnarHj: I wonder if it will harm to add lines like im:ja:fcitx:fcitx-anthy
[18:33] <happyaron> GunnarHj: this means only when fcitx is installed, fcitx-anthy is pulled in.
[18:33] <happyaron> or this will install fcitx for everyone? (by ubiquity?)
[18:34] <GunnarHj> happyaron: I don't think it would install fcitx (unless fcitx-anthy depends on it).
[18:35] <happyaron> GunnarHj: I'm a bit confused, fcitx is seeded in "live", will that make check-language-support returns fcitx packages for all languages specified?
[18:35] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Personally I tend to think it would be better to treat Japanese just like Chinese. But maybe they aren't ready.
[18:36] <happyaron> me too, but there's no agreement yet
[18:37] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Only for Chinese... Not sure what you asked.
[18:37] <happyaron> GunnarHj: I'm think if it's possible to have fcitx default for everyone for Kubuntu only, and that means check-language-support would need to be able to suggest fcitx packages for other languages
[18:38] <happyaron> but wonders if that will effectively make fcitx installed for everyone on Ubuntu
[18:38] <GunnarHj> happyaron: The "Kubuntu only" is a problem. I'm not sure how to deal with it.
[18:38] <happyaron> GunnarHj: then let's make it the same as Ubuntu unity
[18:39] <GunnarHj> happyaron: That would certainly be easiest.
[18:39] <happyaron> ok
[18:39] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Have you thought about the other flavors? Xubuntu, Lubuntu...
[18:40] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Probably their seeds should be changed as well.
[18:40] <happyaron> yep
[18:40] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Is it on your list? ;)
[18:40] <happyaron> let me make some MPs
[18:40] <happyaron> yes as of now, :)
[18:40] <GunnarHj> Great.
[18:44] <happyaron> GunnarHj: would you mind add im:${LANG}:kde-runtime:kde-config-fcitx to pkg_depends?
[18:46] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Do you mean im::kde-runtime:kde-config-fcitx ? (i.e. for any language)
[18:47] <happyaron> no, just zh-hans and zh-hant
[18:47] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Ok, will do.
[18:47] <happyaron> great
[18:54] <happyaron> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~happyaron/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-1430893/+merge/254134
[18:59] <Riddell> happyaron: why is that only in the installer?
[18:59] <Riddell> happyaron: do you know who makes kde-config-fcitx ? it'll need a kde frameworks 5 port
[19:00] <happyaron> Riddell: kde-config-fcitx is made by fcitx upstream,
[19:00] <happyaron> will check with him for that
[19:01] <happyaron> Riddell: about the installer-only change, check-language-support will prevent them to be removed for languages that expects to have fcitx installed
[19:01] <happyaron> Riddell: other languages still use ibus, in vivid.
[19:01] <happyaron> this makes the situation in sync with Ubuntu unity
[19:03] <Riddell> happyaron: oh clever
[19:04] <happyaron> Riddell: do I need to propose another MP for kubuntu-plasma5.vivid?
[19:06] <Riddell> GunnarHj: happyaron: im::kde-runtime:kde-config-fcitx is fine for vivid but kde-runtime will go away in future, maybe change it to kio while we're here for plasma5?
[19:06] <Riddell> happyaron: no there is no kubuntu-plasma5 in vivid that was just temporary in utopic
[19:06] <happyaron> ok
[19:07] <GunnarHj> Riddell: So it's still kde-runtime in vivid?
[19:08] <Riddell> GunnarHj: kde-runtime is kdelibs4 which is in vivid but will go away in the future, kio is an equivalent package in kde frameworks 5 land
[19:09] <GunnarHj> Riddell: Right, but is kio present in vivid, so we could refer to it now? Or will that change have to wait?
[19:09] <Riddell> GunnarHj: yes it's present on vivid
[19:09] <Riddell> GunnarHj: so change now would be good
[19:09] <GunnarHj> Riddell: Ok, will do.
[19:25] <GunnarHj> happyaron, Riddell: Revision 312 and 313 are now in the upload queue, waiting for approval.
[19:25] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/language-selector/vivid
[19:52] <happyaron> Riddell: kcm-fcitx's KF5 port is ready, I can upload that, can you handle the approval?
[20:04] <Riddell> happyaron: ooh yes please :)
[20:05] <Riddell> thanks GunnarHj :)
[22:46] <bdmurray> xnox: Should bug 1066480 still be assigned to you?


[10:30]  * apw looks out blearily on the world
[10:40] <ppisati> apw: nothing see, you better going back :)
[10:43] <smb> apw, Need some matches?
[10:44] <apw> ppisati: heh a quiet day is always pleasant
[10:44] <apw> smb: something stronger me thinks
[10:45] <smb> apw, Hmmm, planks won't fit. Well at least noone from the other side of the pond will likely bug you today.
[10:46] <apw> smb: heh no indeed.  just need to make sure we are ready for tommorrow, other than that we are quiet i am sure
[11:08]  * smb thinks ppisati is a machine, though the numbering sometimes is confusing...
[11:08] <ppisati> smb: i had all of them queued from dublin but since i dind
[11:09] <ppisati> 't have smtp properly configured on my laptop, i waited since i got home
[11:10] <smb> Heh, that explains a bit. Will try to have a look at them, though it seems the first half of the day has zipped past and its time for me to get my lunch
[11:10] <ppisati> no prob
[11:12] <Laibsch>  managed to break my initramfs (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+question/154973) for an encrypted lvm.  On reboot, I'm now being dropped to a busybox shell every time.  Is there somebody around who can help me fix this?
[11:13] <Laibsch> ohsix recommended "update-initramfs -c -k all" yesterday but that actually made things worse.  initramfs file shrunk in size from 12 MB to 8.  I was still being dropped to busybox, but then even the cryptsetup would fail (something about missing support for some kind of aes256 encryption)
[11:14] <ohsix> nice
[11:14] <Laibsch> not really ;-)
[11:14] <ohsix> do you have a distro kernel package installed?
[11:14] <Laibsch> yes
[11:14] <ohsix> then the modules should be in the ramfs
[11:15] <Laibsch> http://paste.debian.net/121820/
[11:15] <Laibsch> how can I verify what modules are needed and whether they are indeed in the initramfs?
[11:18] <ohsix> by looking at the scripts that load them in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/
[11:18] <ohsix> like the cryptsetup package puts stuff in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf-hooks.d/ for example
[11:19] <ohsix> a verbose boot should say when modules are requested but not found for mounting root, if the script that does it is even included
[11:20] <Laibsch> how can I get a verbose boot?
[11:22] <Laibsch> http://paste.debian.net/121821/ is the file list of one of the initramfs (a working copy IIRC)
[11:24] <ohsix> does it ask for a passphrase at boot, or did it before? /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptpassdev is probably important
[11:24] <ohsix> honestly if none of the files are missing or broken in all the components that do it, i don't know how it could break
[11:25] <ohsix> from that file list it looks like the aes stuff is in there
[11:25] <Laibsch> that is the list of an initramfs that I think is working
[11:25] <Laibsch> oh wait
[11:25] <Laibsch> of course it's not working automatically
[11:26] <Laibsch> but working with the workaround
[11:26] <Laibsch> of manual entry at boot
[11:28] <ohsix> i'd have to pretty much do what you'd have to do to figure out what's going on step by step, by looking at ehs cripts that generate stuff and run the boot
[11:29] <Laibsch> http://paste.debian.net/121823/ is the filelist of one of the initramfs created yesterday that won't work even with "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 sda1_crypt".  File size is actually 32MB vs 8 MB
[11:30] <Laibsch> to answer your question.  When things were still working, I got prompted graphically for the passphrase at boot (very early on).
[11:30] <ohsix> do you remember installing anything just before it broke? like watershed or something
[11:30] <Laibsch> I'll have another look at what was installed and removed
[11:30] <Laibsch> things did not break immediately or all at once
[11:30] <Laibsch> but only after the respective initramfs were updated after the removal
[11:31]  * apw idly wonders what release Laibsch is running
[11:31] <Laibsch> lucid
[11:31] <ohsix> yar 32 is a classic
[11:32] <ohsix> well fwiw, and i've got to run anyways; theres nothing too insane installed that hooks initramfs here, and here's a listing from a working one http://paste.ubuntu.com/637870/
[11:32] <ohsix> only thing out of the ordinary in there is some compcache stuff that is enabled but doesn't work in natty :] so the tools are there and idling
[11:34] <apw> compcache should only trigger when you have <256M of ram ish
[11:40]  * Laibsch has 2G RAM
[11:47] <apw> Laibsch, i don't have any scrollback and so no context whatsoever of your problem
[11:54] <Laibsch> apw: I managed to break my initramfs (https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+question/154973) for an encrypted lvm.  On reboot, I'm now being dropped to a busybox shell every time.  Is there somebody around who can help me fix this?
[11:55] <Laibsch> I have to enter "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 sda1_crypt;vgchange -ay;exit" in that busybox shell to continue
[11:55] <apw> Laibsch, do any of your older kernels boot ok ?
[11:58] <apw> Laibsch, and does your initramfs contains an /conf/conf.d/cryptroot file ?
[12:03] <apw> conf/conf.d
[12:03] <apw> conf/conf.d/uswsusp
[12:03] <apw> conf/conf.d/driver-policy
[12:03] <apw> it seems likely it does not, which i suspect is wrong ...
[12:04] <Laibsch> apw: I have a scripts/local-top/cryptroot file but otherwise only conf/conf.d/{uswsusp, driver-policy} as you can see in http://paste.debian.net/121821/ and http://paste.debian.net/121823/
[12:06] <Laibsch> On the booted system, I have two cryptroot files (under /usr/share/initramfs-tools).  They both belong to cryptsetup package.
[12:06] <apw> Laibsch, what directories are they in
[12:08] <Laibsch> apw: http://paste.debian.net/121827/
[12:13] <apw> Laibsch, so if you rebuild your current kernels initramfs update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` ... the replacement does not contain /conf/conf.d/cryptroot
[12:14] <apw> (if so then that implies we are not detecting your encrypted root when building it
[12:20]  * apw waits for confirmation
[12:21] <Laibsch> apw: it looks like that is the case.  the result of "sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` && cp /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-31-generic /tmp/initrd.img-2.6.32-31-generic.gz -v && gunzip initrd.img-2.6.32-31-generic.gz && cpio -it -F initrd.img-2.6.32-31-generic" is http://paste.debian.net/121829/ and there is no such file.
[12:21] <Laibsch> I also get a bunch of lines like http://paste.debian.net/121830/ in /var/log/syslog
[12:21]  * Laibsch goes to google a bit
[12:22] <apw> Laibsch, ok, so what is in your /etc/cryptab, that seems to be where it is looked up
[12:22] <Laibsch> sda1_crypt UUID=6b7021eb-b178-449d-ac4c-40dd2592b778 none luks
[12:23] <apw> Laibsch, and your /etc/fstab ?
[12:23] <Laibsch> UUID="ecbd7524-29ea-47d6-b8aa-755c9677194c" /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:24] <Laibsch> different uuid
[12:24] <apw> Laibsch, no information to know if that is right or not at this point, as one may be the crypted container and one the fs inside
[12:25] <Laibsch> I'm trying to find out how to read the uuid value of a partition
[12:25] <Laibsch> blkid?
[12:25] <apw> Laibsch, right, i suspect that blkid on the raw will match one, and the crypt the other
[12:29] <Laibsch> apw: http://paste.debian.net/121831/ there's the two uuid
[12:30] <apw> Laibsch, you didn't flush any lvm tools off the machine as well did you ?
[12:32] <apw> or indeed any dmraid tools
[12:32] <apw> as the disk detector seems to use such tools to work out what your root is called underneath
[12:33] <Laibsch> grep the aptitude logs for dm and lvm does not return anything
[12:34] <Laibsch> lvm2 is installed as well as dmsetup.  dmraid is not
[12:34] <apw> Laibsch, whats your shell scripting like?  the next step is to debug the script cryptroot-hook in your /usr/share/initramfs*
[12:34] <Laibsch> you mean how strong is my shell foo?
[12:34] <Laibsch> average
[12:35] <apw> particularly the add_device function which is meant to be finding the disk
[12:35] <Laibsch> low to average
[12:35] <apw> you only really need to be adding like echo "blah" >>/tmp/LOG into it in place
[12:35] <apw> places so we can work out why its not finding your root and making cryptroot config file
[12:36] <apw> so checking that add_device is called and with what node opts lastopts etc
[12:36] <apw> and later there is a loop, for node in $nodes
[12:36] <apw> be nice to know what if any nodes it sees there
[12:36] <Laibsch> brb
[12:37] <Laibsch> will look through it in
[12:37] <Laibsch> a minute
[12:37] <apw> Laibsch, np
[12:38] <apw> Laibsch, and indeed in that loop there is a direct echo into the config file in question
[12:38] <apw> so the if stanza before it is also interesting to see if it is causing us to loop
[12:43]  * ppisati -> goes to hunt some food...
[12:47]  * apw sees ppisati packing up his bow and arrow and daubing on camoflauge paint
[13:01]  * Daviey After experiencing multiple kernel panics on his phone he has realised that he cannot remember the last time he had a kernel panic under Ubuntu.. how things have changed!
[13:01] <apw> Daviey, i suspect you are just no longer able to see them :)
[13:02] <Daviey> apw: hah.
[13:02] <apw> Daviey, they are hidden by the lovely GPU hangs
[13:03]  * Daviey spots apw whying away from a complement.
[13:03] <Daviey> shying*
[13:03] <apw> Daviey, who me, shy, seems unlikely :)  i suspect we have the advantage of using a kernel released this year
[13:05] <Daviey> ah
[13:06] <apw> then again with that you'd have a lot less holes to root your phone
[13:08] <Daviey> heh
[13:36] <Laibsch> apw: forgive me ignorancy, but what do I do with /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot? I had a look through it and understood only the general idea.  I tried calling it as "sudo sh /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptroot" but I guess that's not how it's done.  I assume line 391 is the key, but how do I find the infromation to understand what's wrong with the output?
[13:39] <apw> Laibsch, that script is run when you are doing the update-initramfs -u <blah> stuff
[13:39] <Laibsch> OK
[13:39] <apw> Laibsch, so you can add debug which records information in a file in tmp
[13:39] <apw> and then run the update to see what it says
[13:39] <apw> Laibsch, remember to cp the file before so you can repair it
[13:40] <Laibsch> "set -x" and "set -v"?
[13:40] <CarlFK> git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git; cd ...; fakeroot debian/rules clean; fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic
[13:40] <CarlFK> WARNING: drivers/built-in.o(.data+0x1bc38): Section mismatch in reference from the variable ab3550_driver to the function .init.text:ab3550_probe()
[13:41] <CarlFK> would that be why the build to failed?
[13:41] <apw> Laibsch, if that doesn't affect behaviour then perhaps so ... remember to run this inside 'script' so we get all the output then
[13:41] <apw> CarlFK, i'd be supprised if that warning caused a compile failure
[13:42] <apw> CarlFK, what did the bottom of the build say
[13:42] <CarlFK> tail of the build log: http://dpaste.de/Zh3L/
[13:42] <Laibsch> apw: "run inside 'script'"?  what does that mean?
[13:42] <apw> Laibsch, run 'script' that starts a new shell in which all output is recorded into file called typescript
[13:42] <apw> run the update-initramfs ... inside there, then exit to get back to normal
[13:43] <smb> Laibsch, apw You could also place "set -x" debug on and "set +x" debug off inside the script around blocks of interest
[13:43] <apw> smb, yep much of the script is of interest sadly
[13:43] <apw> CarlFK, the error is earlier, search backward for Error, note we are building in parallel so it can be a long way up
[13:46] <CarlFK> apw: building in parallel - got it.
[13:56] <CarlFK> gcc: error: /lib/modules/3.0-3-generic/build/include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
[14:07] <Laibsch> apw, smb: I'm only marginally smarter after http://paste.debian.net/121843/.  But it seems that only /dev/mapper/1001P-root (mounted as /) is being taken into account.  The lvm itself at /dev/sda1 with uuid 6b7021eb-b178-449d-ac4c-40dd2592b778 is not.
[14:08] <smb>  CarlFK Hm, are you building something out of tree?
[14:08]  * Laibsch is off for some sleep
[14:09] <smb> Sounds a bit like something erased parts of the headers. Maybe you can fix it by forcing a reinstall of the linux-headers package
[14:09] <Laibsch> good night and thank you very much smb, ohsix and apw
[14:09] <Laibsch> smb: I'll do that, thank you
[14:09] <Laibsch> oh, I suppose that comment was not directed at me
[14:09] <apw> smb, those are in the builds directory, so they sound like something missing from the prepare phase
[14:09] <smb> Laibsch, No sorry
[14:10] <apw> CarlFK, how are you triggering the build
[14:10] <smb> apw, Thats what made me think of out of tree. Cause those usually head for /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/...
[14:11] <apw> smb, right but the missing file is expected in a build directory, which implies its the early internal conf phase which was meant to make it, and has not
[14:12] <smb> apw, hm build is also a soft link pointing to /usr/src in you libs
[14:12] <CarlFK> apw: fakeroot debian/rules binary-headers binary-generic
[14:12] <apw> smb, ok now its me who isn't reading the filename in full ...
[14:13] <smb> apw, Though the call rather suggest normal kernel build from git tree
[14:13] <apw> smb, but if its building that way it really should not be referencing anything outside the tree
[14:13] <smb> Agreed
[14:13] <CarlFK> apw: i think i see the problem...
[14:16] <smb> Maybe its as simple as doing a fdr clean before to avoid any cruft interfering...
[14:19] <CarlFK> btw: running oneiric, so brokeness isn't surprising  (just noticed that, thought it was natty)
[14:27] <CarlFK> apt-get build-dep linux-meta; should that include linux-headers?
[14:30] <CarlFK> I think i got it: building 3.0.3, but have linux-headers-3.0-2
[14:30] <apw> CarlFK, you shouldn't need headers installed to build a kernel, it is the thing which makes them
[14:31] <CarlFK> oh right.
[14:31]  * apw wonders if the binary-headers is missing a dependancy
[14:31] <apw> does fdr binary-generic binary-headers work any better
[14:32] <apw> failing that, could you use script to get the whole output of the build and pastebin it
[14:35] <CarlFK> apw: what is fdr?
[14:39] <smb> CarlFK, We have an alias for fakeroot debian/rules
[14:39] <smb> (lazy to type)
[14:44] <CarlFK> heh
[14:44] <CarlFK> wc typescript;   2681   7377 124877 - what's a light pastebin?
[14:46] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/637946/
[14:49] <smb> Hrrm, why is it looking for 3.0 headers while you seem to be building 2.6.38...
[14:52] <smb> CarlFK, Just to confirm, are you building in a Oneiric environment?
[14:52] <CarlFK> smb: correct
[14:53] <smb> Just wondering whether we accidentally broke something while fixing all the 3.0.0 -> 3.0 fallout...
[14:53] <apw> smb, if we couldn't build an oneiric kernel in oneiric we couldn't upload kernels full stop
[14:54] <apw> oh i wonder if this is that stupid rtl drivers
[14:54] <apw> driver which uses uname -r
[14:55] <apw> make[3]: *** [ubuntu/rtl8192se] Error 2
[14:55] <apw> yeah its that STUPID STUPID STUPID rtl driver
[14:55] <apw> so ... two things
[14:55] <mjg59> Do you still need that one?
[14:56] <mjg59> The rtlwifi driver seems to support most of the se varients now
[14:56] <apw> mjg59, no i think in 3.0 kernels it has been stripped but it is still in the natty build he is doing
[14:56] <mjg59> Ah, sorry, I see
[14:56] <apw> and the makefiles for it use uname -r ... which is mad
[14:56] <mjg59> Well at least it's not calling uname at runtime
[14:56] <apw> mjg59, heh i suppose
[14:56] <mjg59> Which I wouldn't put past them
[14:57] <apw> CarlFK, there is a line which looks like this:
[14:57] <apw> ifeq ($(shell uname -r|cut -d. -f1,2), 2.6)
[14:57] <apw> in ubuntu/rtl*/Makefile ...
[14:57] <apw> remove it and replace it with ifeq (1,1)
[14:57] <apw> and life will stop hurting
[14:58] <apw> i'll get that pulled back to natty ...  :-P
[15:11]  * apw takes smb outside for an education session
[15:12]  * smb tries to run faster
[15:12] <apw> git checkout smb-face; git reset --hard HEAD^1
[15:12] <smb> error: no such branch
[15:12] <apw> and the pause was about the right length ... COME ON GIT
[15:13]  * apw really needs to turn off atime updates ... or read every file at 6am every day
[15:18] <vish> Hi, I'm trying to kernel bisect and while building, apart from the bisect, I change only the changelog with numbers ~bgo1234vish0 , ~bgo1234vish1  and so on.. but after booting into the newly build kernel when I check using $uname -a  , it only shows as ~bgo1234vish0 , the first version number while the package number is the right one...  is that OK or am I not building the right version? how do I fix that version number displayed in $uname -a ?
[15:19] <apw> vish, the version number reported was the one in the source when it was built.  If you are changing debian.master/changelog then it only takes effect on the next fakeroot debian/rules clean
[15:20] <vish> apw: so I should clean every time I build?
[15:20] <apw> vish really yes
[15:20] <vish> k..
[15:20] <vish> apw: so, was I building the wrong version? and I should start bisect again?
[15:21] <apw> vish i would say its hard to tell as you discovered, you may be able to tell from what it built as to whether it was valid or not
[15:21] <apw> if it took close to a full build time, then likely it has the right contents, but its hard to be sure
[15:21] <vish> hmm..
[15:22] <vish> bah! need to start again :p
[15:22] <apw> vish where you bisecting between ?
[15:22] <vish> between .35 and .34
[15:22] <apw> (wonder if you can use the mainline builds to narrow the search any)
[15:23] <vish> the error started in .35, and still exists in Mainline current.. atleast till .39
[15:23] <apw> vish have you tries the mainline 34-rc builds?
[15:24] <vish> yea, tried in mainline versions too
[15:24] <vish> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33912 « thats my bug..
[15:25] <apw> vish, and doesn't that help eliminate some of the range
[15:25] <ubot2> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 33912 in Video(DRI - non Intel) "[RV515] Kernel .35 onwards, Random X freezes while scrolling" [High,New]
[15:28] <vish> i tried the most closest versions I could find.. and the issue being random doesnt help either :s
[15:28] <apw> no i bet
[15:28] <apw> you are in a world of pain and no mistake
[15:29] <vish> apw: how do I reset the bisect ?
[15:30] <vish> hmm, /me looks in --help and RTFM's :D
[15:30] <apw> there is a way to abort it, a sub-command of bisect, you can also get out the log and it contains the incantions too
[15:30] <apw> so you can run forward to when you were unhappy
[15:30] <vish> k..
[15:54] <CarlFK> apw: apparently i think you need more frustration today, cuz I went and dug up more instances of that bug, just for you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/637972/     find Makefile grep "shell.*2\.6"
[15:56] <apw> CarlFK, most of those are either explicit against a specific version or just copes of the orignals
[15:56] <apw> copies
[15:56] <CarlFK> or maybe I did it because the build still broke and I want it fixed :)
[15:57] <CarlFK> copies?
[15:57] <apw> all the ones in debian are build output
[15:58] <apw> the others are all explicit matches against a fully formed version number
[15:58] <apw> and so are fine as they never have matched and never will whatever the version number is
[15:58] <smb> copies was the correction of copes in the previous sentence (probably wondered about that)
[15:58] <apw> right
[15:58] <CarlFK> apw: what about line 5: ./ubuntu/rtl8192se/Makefile:ifeq ($(shell uname -r|cut -d. -f1,2), 2.6)
[15:59] <apw> CarlFK, what line is it on
[15:59] <CarlFK> 7
[15:59]  * smb wonders whether that was the makefile with many repeats of the same but ifndefed most of the time. So only one actually survived
[16:00] <apw> CarlFK, thats the one which the patch changes
[16:00] <CarlFK> hmm, yeah, but I fixed it... so something is bringing it back
[16:01] <apw> that must be outside the build system
[16:01] <CarlFK> oh, no... i fixed the copy
[16:01] <CarlFK> my mistake
[16:38] <Aquina> hello!
[16:38] <Aquina> I asked the following question in #ubuntu-devel already: "Can someone point me to some config or thelike within the repo to get an impression on server and desktop kernel differences?"
[16:39] <Aquina> Can you provide me with some information? I know there are differences but I'd like to see the comple flags and such in comparison.
[16:39] <CarlFK> I think I can find that.. .give me a sec to dig
[16:39] <apw> Aquina, that is all in the kernle git report
[16:40] <apw> git repo even
[16:41] <Daviey> Aquina: Just out of interest, what are you hoping to determine?
[16:49] <CarlFK> can someone confirm this is the desktop config:
[16:49] <CarlFK> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git;a=blob;f=arch/x86/configs/x86_64_defconfig;h=ee01a9d5d4f0a7b8e3bd9f6e4f86fb28e7fe2b68;hb=HEAD
[16:51] <CarlFK> I am not seeing where the server config lives.  which I think is the only difference between the desktop and sever kernels, right?  (same base and patches, different config)
[16:51] <apw> CarlFK, nope that is a default config
[16:51] <apw> the easiest way it to checkout the kernel source and run fakeroot debian/rules genconfigs
[16:51] <apw> and look in CONFIGS/*
[16:53] <CarlFK> k - I'll stop spelunking.  Aquina, do that ^^^
[16:54] <CarlFK> huzzah!  dpkg-deb: building package `linux-headers-2.6.38-10-generic
[17:29] <apw> ppisati, about ?
[17:37] <ppisati> apw: what?
[17:38] <apw> ppisati, s'ok i've resolved what i needed to ask and am happy
[17:38] <ppisati> ok :)
[17:38] <ppisati> that was quick
[17:38] <apw> ppisati, just to say -NNN3 is now -4243, it merged with that CVE
[17:39] <ppisati> ah ok, saw that
[17:39] <ppisati> i'll send-email again (perhaps just that patch now...)
[17:40] <ogasawara> apw: thanks for uploading linux-meta
[17:41] <apw> ogasawara, np, i thought you were off all week ...
[17:41] <apw> ogasawara, i did have to push over it, as there was a change for versatile which was missing
[17:41] <ogasawara> apw: yep, saw that.  thanks.
[17:43]  * ogasawara goes back to being on vacation
[17:52] <apw> ogasawara, good, have a nice time
[18:14]  * ppisati -> gym
[18:30] <Aquina> Daviey I'd like to verify that there is more diference between those Kernels than someone told me. I'd like to prove that person wrong.
[18:32] <TREllis> Hi, I'm doing a kernel bisect in http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/805209 and on one of the iterations I'm left with a kernel that doesn't compile (but is unrelated to the bug), do I just mark that bisect as bad and carry on?
[18:32] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 805209 in linux "System locks up after upgrading to linux-image-2.6.32-32-generic-pae" [Undecided,New]
[18:32] <TREllis> Aquina: reminds me of http://xkcd.com/386/
[18:34] <Aquina> :-)
[18:35] <Aquina> I know that. The most lovely one is the one with "angular miomentum".
[18:35] <Aquina> http://xkcd.com/162/
[18:54] <TREllis> anyone have an idea for above?
[19:11] <apw> TREllis, nope, you normally just reset head to a nearby commit which can compile and test that
[19:11] <apw> TREllis, and bisect will use the commit as it was at the time you say good/bad
[19:14] <TREllis> apw: hmmm not sure how I'd do that
[19:15] <apw> TREllis, normally the easiest is to strip a commit off the top and see if that one is better
[19:15] <apw> TREllis, as in git reset --hard HEAD^
[19:16] <apw> git bisect only cares about which ones you did test it doesn't care if its the one it suggests
[19:16] <TREllis> ah ok
[19:16] <apw> if its not possible to find one nearby you can do other things like try both good and bad and test both of the results; but you'd need to take a git bisect log before so you can reset the bisect
[19:19] <TREllis> apw: ok thanks, added the log to the bug
[19:20] <apw> TREllis, that log is a direct set of executable commands to get you back to the same place
[19:21] <Sarvatt> i really miss having a large amount of mainline daily kernels available to make bisecting muuch easier by narrowing it down to a day first
[19:29] <cking> is that not working?
[19:30] <apw> Sarvatt, why do you not have them>
[19:32] <apw> oh i suppose we clean them up now ... hmm as they are vast
[19:33] <apw> Sarvatt, i guess the problem is that the -rcs are weekly
[19:48] <Sarvatt> yeah thinking about it more it's always one huge merge that introduced the problem I run into and no more changes to that subsystem go in between rc's so I guess it isn't any different (it's always i915 i'm bisecting)
[20:50] <TREllis> apw: woot! after 5 resets I'm back on something that'll compile
[23:26] <lifeless> hi
[23:27] <lifeless> if I wanted to experiment with some changes to dmraid on my natty box; whats the best way to get the source (apt-get source; bzr branch lp:ubuntu/linux; git ?)
[23:28] <lifeless> I'd like to be building the kernel with the same options the deb I have uses, but probably not build all the different flavours; then eventually take my patch and offer it for inclusion
[23:32] <herton> lifeless: I would say to use git, git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-natty.git
[23:33] <lifeless> kk; whats the best way to build the kernel + initramfs to match the deb ?
[23:35] <herton> lifeless, it depends, if you want only the generic kernel, "fdr binary-generic" should do it
[23:36] <lifeless> yeah, the box is running -generic
[23:36] <lifeless> thank you!
[23:37] <herton> about changing options, you can use "fdr editconfigs" for example
[23:37] <lifeless> I've not heard of fdr
[23:37] <herton> or edit manually configs at debian.master/config, and run fdr updateconfigs
[23:37] <lifeless> I guess its new (== in the last 7 years since I did regular kernel changes)
[23:37] <herton> fdr == fakeroot debian/rules
[23:37] <herton> just easier to alias it instead of typing entirely
[23:38] <lifeless> doh, ok :)


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 I got my n4 running, albeit not well (digitizer is messed up).  … Anyway, when I flash it to ubports, I just leave off the —bootstrap, correct?  … It's already running UTouch
 not really sure, when —bootstrap is removed is to switch from stable to devel both under ubport
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/cA42yPkw/file_517.bmp
 instead of the google stuff at the start up ?
 I'll just do bootstrap. It's no big deal
 you'll loose your data utouch
 @Ern_st, Nah, that's a different option. Bootstrap just means 'flash boot.img and recovery.img'.
 @UniversalSuperBox, thanks for the clarification
 @Ern_st, Yes https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/issues/240
 @nfsprodriver, ok cool, can you do one for the nexus 4 on your template §
 ?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/55L90FTU/file_519.jpg
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/EZIAk5tI/file_521.jpg
 Good night!
 Seems good ! thanks
 Lol I got ubports on the Nexus 4... Screen is so bad I can't install anything lol
 yep without digitalizer ... it's dead
 Ubuntu на Honor 6x please 🙏
 @gennadii1981, нет.
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/206/will-you-port-to-device-x
 Speaking of ports, I wonder how hard is might be to port to the lg ls970 which is the same as the mako with the exception of it's radio and camera. I can flash Ubuntu touch and it works minus the camera and... Radio.
 А будет ли и когда можно спросить?
 @gennadii1981, the official language of this chat is English
 будет ли вообще — не думаю
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 Welcome:)
 @vanyasem, I like your direct approach: No. Lol
 there are too many port requests already, let's be real about it
 Sure. In the end its a sad story that porting is not easier :)
 Hi, what's the status of OTA-2? I know it's in RC, but wasn't it about to land in stable in the beginning of this week?
 @theMitu, Morning, yes this was the plan. Unfortunately we had to agin delay it a bit. You can see status here: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-touch/milestone/2
 We want to really finish these 4 items first ;)
 OK, thanks :)
 @mariogrip when i enabled this config in kernel system crash do you have any idea? … CONFIG_ANDROID_LOW_MEMORY_KILLER=y
 @Flohack, Very tedious after the 1000th such request but for each person it is the first time of asking and each is a potential supporter - otherwise they would not ask 😎
 @Walid, I think this is the cause, disable this flag, system work fine, i will test it more to confirm … CONFIG_ANDROID_LMK_ADJ_RBTREE
 @Walid, Did you refer to Halium´s mer-checkconfig or how is it called? They list all options for that
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 The low-memory-killer is in fact smth we need to be careful with. The current rootfs also kills the dash way too often
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 i debuged system, when CONFIG_ANDROID_LOW_MEMORY_KILLER=y system crash in function "rb_erase", so if disabled CONFIG_ANDROID_LMK_ADJ_RBTREE=n or unset it, system work fine with CONFIG_ANDROID_LOW_MEMORY_KILLER=y
 @Flohack, QT 5.9 LTS should help there https://blog.qt.io/blog/2017/05/31/performance-improvements-with-qt-5-9-lts/
 @Flohack, Yes i refer, i'm sure now that this flag CONFIG_ANDROID_LMK_ADJ_RBTREE cause many pb, i noticed sound is better and hight now
 cool
 I have some questions about porting (this time for an msm820-based phone): you say that the fist step is porting halium now. But is a ubports rootfs image for halium available? Is halium 7.1 working, at least minimally?
[10:58] <tgBot10> Philippe COMBAZ was added by: Philippe COMBAZ
 @enriconia, The rootfs is not compatible at the moment I am afraid
 You can use a test rootfs from Halium people, to do basic tests.
 and later it can be adapted
[11:07] <tgBot10> <Philippe COMBAZ> Sorry, it is the first time I join, so forget my clumsiness if any. Am owner of a beautiful Nexus 5 with Ubuntu (arbitrary codename fиск @ndroйd & шйndows). My 2 questions: Q1: what is the best Ubuntu soft to install to be able to call from my Nexus 5 over IP (i.e. not using mobile phone network). Q2: what is more secure in France between T1 (calling using normal mob networks) or T2 (using phone over IP)? Thanks
 @Philippe COMBAZ, Uh I am afraid we currently do not have a native VoIP app ready :)
 One of the problems is also that currently the OS design does not allow much background activity, so you probably wont receive any calls ;)
[11:14] <tgBot10> <Philippe COMBAZ> So what do I do? Shall I take the risk to find a non-native VoIP app on the Internet or wait for the community to develop one or just keep using the mob phone networks for the time being?
[11:15] <tgBot10> <Philippe COMBAZ> I just want to be able to GIVE calls, then I switch back to normal mob network mode to RECEIVE calls. What do u say?
 @Flohack, We’ve meet Phillipe at UBUCON. He drove all around paris the entire day to find a Nexus 5. He then immediatly flashed it with ubuntu touch and as of then seems to be an advocate of net neutrality and privacy.
 @Mohannes, WOW That sounds fantastic :)
 +1
 @Philippe COMBAZ, You are using SIP? I mean the standard protocol? What do the people use that you want so speak with?
 within a timespan of 5 minutes (to flash his phone) het presumably said F*ck Android and K*ll Apple around<PHONE_NUMBER>72 times 😉
 #wevegotourselvesafan!
 hehe
 It should be possible to find a few people who are interested to create a QML frontend for it. Should not be too hard
 Someone got barseip running a year or so ago. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg21108.html
 no frontend to it but it's something to start from
 echo "1" > sip_call_answer ? 😆
 better be quick typing
 crazy right. 😜
 @Mohannes, +1
 @Flohack, 😂😂😂 or prepared batch script :)
 echo "I dont have time now" > /dev/call_rejector
 @Flohack swap patition work (zram partition) , is it possible o extend it ?
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 @Flohack, thanks!
 @Gumdramon1, welcome Lucas
 @vanyasem, Thank you.
[13:19] <tgBot10> <Philippe COMBAZ> NEW QUESTION: if I want to connect my beautiful Ubuntu Nexus 5 to any HDMI screen as I saw in Paris last Sunday at Ubuntu workshop, can I buy ANY Adapter SlimPort (for example the "generic" one from French shop in Paris LDLC.com
 I would say: Slimport is slimport so yes.
 Different experiences?
 i suggest one with a port to charge the phone.
 I have this one and works like a charm (sorry for the ad): Fosmon Slimport MYDP Micro USB to HDMI
 @Ern_st, agreed. usiing hdmi will suck the life right out
 @Walid, No idea sorry :)
 @Flohack, i want a sip client badly as well... business...
 https://www.kde.org/announcements/kde-purism-librem5.php
 Oh. My. Fucking. God. Want.
 Does anybody remember the OpenMoko and the shr-project?
 Was the stack too bad?
 @Ben, Still no HW specs info though ... but we can at least assume this one will be portable easy 😁
 Librem huh? Is the a dependency for electric sheep?
 *shamefully walks away after bad joke*
 @Flohack haha MTP mode work now, show me internal storage
 @Gartral, I liked it
 @Lorxu, Popcorn opened. They talk about hardware but they dont know how it will look like until in a few months or so ;) - I bet in the end it will be 98% free but the 2% will create lots of issues for KDE desktop ;)
 @Walid, You found it? wooosh
 @Flohack, I don't have 600$ to spend on a phone anyway :P
 @Flohack, yes this commit for FP2 helped me  … https://github.com/ubports/android_device_fairphone_fp2/commit/bd5054e4b1094361a08e70f11c6fcfe0bc21e593#diff-d5cdfaba6b8092d4f7bd57deb2adb80b
 :P
 (Sticker, 392x512) https://irc.ubports.com/26SDsfT0/file_522.webp
 man, the nexus 4 is PAINFUL to use....bad digitizer. I can't type "R" or "X". I have to swipe up to click "Install" … I can't click "Connect" on the wifi prompt.
 sheesh
 but, I can report that UBPorts is running on it...
 so there's that
 so it's like virtual higher resolution on that phone?
 more like dead spots where it can't sense your finger
 uff
 but you still can connect mouse to it can you? :D
 I don't have a BT mouse
 I got it running again to see if I can fix a few of my old click applications
 usb? (+OTG cable)
 @thepeter, not on nexus 4
 Ooh I have one of those nexuses too! Depending on what button I want to press I have to rotate the phone left, right or upside down. Its fun watching me text on it
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/zOexpHHj/file_523.mp4
 @YougoChats, yep! That's it! you have to replace the screen to fix the problem. Supposedly, if you take it apart, disconnect the digitizer and plug it back in, it'll work again. I haven't done this but I may
 @Ern_st, well it is officially not supported on BQ 5 either and I still use it 😂
 Well strictly speaking, not supported doesn't mean it wont work. Just that they wont help joy with it.
 Just another day in linuxland
 yep :) AFAIK no specs page says that I can anyhow connect OTG USB key or kb+/mouse though it ... so I've tryed - and it worked - that assuming it may probably work in nexus 4 as well (or it won't, you will know only if you try 😃)
 @neothethird was there a decision about old communication paths like mailing list on google or launchpad?
 @thepeter, yep, we'll probably set up mailman mailing lists, why?
 there is new thread about it in forum  https://forums.ubports.com/topic/550/google-ubuntu-touch-community-ubports-takeover wanted to answer but didn't know how it went 😂
 ok, noted. thanks
 @DanChapman This is Dekko 2! When the notification arrives earlier on the N5 than on my Thunderbird on desktop. Both on IMAP, so its fair game ;)
 😃
 @kz6fittycent, can you confirm it can: phone, sms and connect to wifi? :)
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 Hello - I can code, compile and am willing to dev / test to get more operating systems on the rugged samsung g390f (after all I'm too clumsy to handle other phones!)
 @wayneoutthere, It's not active. But it's connected to WiFi
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/551/possible-memory-leak
 @Flohack, run top over ssh
 @samzn, and whats the difference? 😆
 I am running it over adb
 either one can do, but can show the culprit
 not really, I would need to make snapshots every 4hrs or so and compare
 if it is a slow memleak it takes days to buildup, ... well I hate this kind of work ^^
 Its nice I got a 1GB phone, but smemstat says only 257MB are occupied as unique set. I dont get it...
 I haven't been keeping up with ubports much lately
 Is the project running on top of halium now
 @samzn, No
 You missed nothing much ^^
 Aw
 Easy summary, Halium uses upstream libhybris which does not support Mir. Guess the result ;) - we have to touch everything to get forward, its really mission impossible sometimes
 Hey we could rewrite the whole OS and it would be the same amount of time maybe 😆
 @Flohack, and with consideration for the future? which would be more effective? 😅
 @thepeter, Dunno. x<d
 1more game and 1more scope in openstore
 kewl what is it
 I didn't know it was that simple
 @Flohack, Thanks for your work on E5! Mine is waiting in a drawer until it works better. Using my gfs old Samsung Glaxy s3neo with lucky strike rom until then!
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 @wayneoutthere 10 lucky people have already heard the #audiocast episode 8 :P
 well now.
 i might have to fix that, you greedy ...
 wait for it.
 waaaaaaaait for it
 countdown
 https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/ubports-audiocast-008-moose-sounds-and-solutions-72
 You have been #audiocast 'd
 thanks for the pin @UniversalSuperBox  that was the fastest yet
 Ok... busy now but will hear ir afterwars. Keep up the good work!
 @Jo_Led, thanks for the encouragement.  We're having some fun now...
 @Jo_Led, Sounds like a great after war plan ;)
 After work plan more likely. No war in central Europe afaik!


[03:04] <DalekSec> zequence: If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them.  We also tried to pass bug 1211933 on to you and ping you, but not sure you saw.
[09:03] <zequence> DalekSec: Thanks. Yes, I remember. I've just been doing other things for a long time.
[09:04] <zequence> Time to wrap up this cycle and make sure the ISO boots, etc.