[05:36] <allee> [17:21]  <allee> Sun Galaxy X4100: mpt* drivers in dapper.  Two (or one) simple disk are detected during installation. When 2 disk configured as RAID1 in the LSI controller, kernel fails to detect the disk
[05:36] <allee> [17:22]  <allee> scsi0 : ioc0: LSISAS1064, FwRev=01040000h, Ports=1, MaxQ=511, IRQ=169
[05:36] <allee> [17:22]  <allee> Is this a limitation of the driver or a bug?
[05:36] <allee> [17:23]  <allee> SLES9 has no problem with the RAID1 of the LSI controler.  And uses it as sda.
[05:36] <allee> [17:28]  <allee> SLES9 uses: Fusion MPT SAS Host driver 3.02.62sus
[05:36] <allee> [17:28]  <allee> ubuntu uses:
[05:36] <allee> [17:28]  <allee> Fusion MPT SAS Host driver 3.03.04
[05:48] <svenl> hi guys ...
[05:49] <svenl> is it true that you guys dropped the mkvmlinuz support for the dapper linux-image kernel ?
[05:49] <svenl> i heard a report claiming it was because "nobody uses oldworld machines anymore", which seems likevery clueless ...
[05:55] <mjg59> We've never supported oldworld machines
[05:55] <mkrufky> what is 'oldworld' ?
[05:55] <mjg59> mkrufky: Pre-imac and blue and white G3s
[05:58] <mjg59> When those were introduced, Apple went to a new Open Firmware version
[05:58] <mjg59> So the ended up being called "old world" and "new world" macs
[05:58] <svenl> mjg59: yeah, but the mkvmlinuz support patch was not there for oldworld, but for chrp machines, including IBM chrp and genesis's pegasos machine.
[05:58] <mkrufky> ah, okay
[05:59] <svenl> mjg59: and genesis was just added recently as a ubuntu partner, so i doubt that sabotaging the pegasos support this way is the right thing to do.
[05:59] <mjg59> svenl: If you are going to describe it as "sabotaging", then this conversation is over
[05:59] <svenl> mjg59: well.
[05:59] <fabbione> mjg59: ++
[05:59] <makx> thanks
[06:01] <svenl> mjg59: oh well, i will let my hierarchy handle this with the ubuntu hierarchy, but this is a repeat of what happened for the breezy release, so i am not overly sympathetic, especially since the ubuntu kernel guys are making noises about unification of the ubuntu kernel with the debian kernel on public forums and such.
[06:02] <mjg59> Drive-by svenning
[06:16] <fabbione> uh?=
[06:16] <fabbione> what noise?
[06:16] <fabbione> when?
[06:17] <fabbione> wth is he talking about?
[06:18] <mjg59> No idea
[06:18] <fabbione> neither do i
[06:20] <dilinger> sorry guys, that was probably my fault
[06:20] <mjg59> I don't think Sven can ever be anyone else's fault
[06:21] <dilinger> the fact that he's re-evaluating ubuntu-kernel, that is
[06:21] <dilinger> heh
[06:21] <mjg59> Have you kicked him off debian-kernel yet?
[06:22] <dilinger> no, i just angered him.  i intend to get him ejected from the project completely.
[06:22] <fabbione> dilinger: LOL
[06:27] <dilinger> fabbione: btw, you have any pointers to architecture/design of ocfs2?
[06:27] <fabbione> dilinger: the code?
[06:28] <fabbione> it's the "usual" clustered FS
[06:28] <fabbione> all transactions needs to go trough the DLM
[06:28] <fabbione> it's journaled like ext3 (same backend)
[06:29] <dilinger> fabbione: a coworker's evaluating cluster filesystems (pvfs2, gfs, ocfs2, etc)..  i had was hoping for something to pass along for him to read
[06:29] <dilinger> since he can't seem to find details about ocfs2
[06:29] <fabbione> dilinger: you can check on oss.oracle.com
[06:29] <fabbione> the project is hosted there
[06:29] <fabbione> but the concept behind each clusterFS is the same
[06:30] <fabbione> and that's where the real power of FS comes frok
[06:30] <fabbione> from
[06:30] <fabbione> the Distributed Lock Manager
[06:30] <fabbione> performance of the FS are highly dependent on that
[06:31] <fabbione> also.. ocfs2 is the simplest one around.. at least that i have seen
[06:31] <fabbione> it's really basic clustering
[06:31] <fabbione> a more complete suite is the GFS/RH cluster
[06:33] <dilinger> fabbione: simplest in terms of implementation?  features?
[06:34] <fabbione> features
[06:35] <fabbione> in my experience:
[06:35] <fabbione> - ocfs2 is faster, but needs more manual tuning to handle the timeouts between nodes properly. It does "only" cluster FS
[06:36] <fabbione> - gfs/rh cluster suire is generally slower, no need of manual tuning, it offers a complete suite for clustering, from shared IP, switching services, etc.
[06:49] <dilinger> ok, thanks
[06:53] <BenC> damn, I missed sven and his FUD
[08:10] <torkel> dilinger: Lustre might be interesting for him to take a look at too; http://www.clusterfs.com/
[08:12] <dilinger> yep
[08:12] <dilinger> i've been following lustre development ever since the clusterfs people abandonded intermezzo
[08:13] <torkel> would be nice to see it in Ubuntu :-)
[08:13] <dilinger> yea
[08:13] <dilinger> i was going to package it for debian ages ago
[08:13] <dilinger> but decided not to based on their release policy
[08:14] <dilinger> they've changed it since, but i haven't had time to look at it again
[08:14] <dilinger> i may still package it
[08:14] <dilinger> i think mrvn took over my ITP
[08:14] <torkel> a co-worker did a quick-a-dirty package of it last week
[08:14] <torkel> not sure how far he got though
[08:15] <dilinger> i'd be interested in seeing it
[08:15] <dilinger> like i said, my coworker's evaluating different cluster filesystems; if we decide to go w/ lustre, i'll probably end up maintaining packages
[08:15] <dilinger> quick-and-dirty packages makes it that much easier for him to try out
[08:17] <torkel> he is on vacation this week, but if you send me a mail (otherwise I will forget it) I can ask him to get in touch with you
[08:20] <jbailey> BenC: Around?
[08:29] <BenC> jbailey: yeah
[08:39] <jbailey> BenC: Are you packaging newer kernels at all for testing?
[08:40] <jbailey> I thought I saw some reports of some threading stuff fixed in newer kernels.  If you've already got a set built, I might poke my head into them.
[08:40] <jbailey> threading and signals.
[08:40] <BenC> jbailey: haven't had a chance to start merging to newer kernels yet
[08:40] <jbailey> No worries.  I'll try to remember how to build one myself for the test.
[08:41] <jbailey> None of it's a regression from previous, but on some arches there are weird nptl responses and such.
[08:41] <fabbione> jbailey: jumping from .15 to .16 is a big step due to all the mutex changes
[08:42] <fabbione> merging back is difficul
[08:42] <fabbione> +t
[08:42] <jbailey> fabbione: Right, I'm not expecting to backport anything, more just curious if these are the problems refered to.
[08:42] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm trying to figure out what the path to actually getting clean glibc results is.
[11:17] <bronson> Anybody here able to boot in recovery mode?
[11:17] <bronson> Regular mode works fine.
[11:17] <bronson> Recovery mode kernel panics pretty early on.
[11:18] <bronson> Dunno when this started...  I don't go into recovery much.
[11:18] <bronson> Just wondering if this is a me-only thing, or are other people seeing it too?
[11:18] <bronson> (dapper, upgraded last night)


[18:21] <Laney> pitti: or anyone, you might like to look at bug #912789 from a desktop pov
[18:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 912789 in libgxps "FFe: Sync libgxps 0.2.1-1 (universe) from Debian testing (main)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912789
[18:36] <jbicha> Laney: it needs to be in the archives before it can get an MIR anyway though, right?
[18:44] <Laney> yes, but there is not much point syncing if the evince support isn't going to happen
[18:45] <Laney> unless the utility is wanted i guess


[09:14] <sdhd-sascha> ogra: hope it was not too late yesterday.
[11:27] <sdhd-sascha> ogra: did you use iptv with kode ?
[11:27] <sdhd-sascha> kodi


[05:56] <craigbrash> morning africa
[06:08] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[06:27] <craigbrash> Morning Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> hi craigbrash pieter2627
[06:43] <pieter2627> hi oom
[07:56] <elacheche> o/
[08:19] <ariabbas> .
[09:26] <Kilos> sorry, power cut
[09:42]  * elacheche wishes a HAPPY SYSADMIN DAY to * sysadmins in here :) :)
[10:11] <Kilos> hehe
[10:12] <Kilos> just had a veldt fire to tame and kill
[10:15] <craigbrash> always loved playing with fire in years gone by :)
[10:18] <Kilos> lol
[10:18] <Kilos> not safe in winter when there is long grass and strong wind
[12:44] <craigbrash> Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (31.5% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: ST9500325AS size: 500.1GB
[12:44] <craigbrash>            Optical: /dev/sr0 model: N/A dev-links: cdrom
[12:44] <craigbrash>            Features: speed: 24x multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram
[13:13] <Kilos> i go rest a bit guys
[17:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:36] <Kilos> waiting for loadshedding
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: Eskom electricity supply is under severe pressure but currently there is NO LOAD SHEDDING
[17:58] <inetpro> good evening
[17:58] <Kilos> whew ty
[17:58] <Kilos> hi there
[18:37] <lafricain> Hy, Wednesday I met renemanasssé from DRC, I send him my email, but I thing I wrote it wrong. Someone knows him or can give me his contact?
[18:37] <lafricain> Thank you!
[18:40] <Kilos> sec
[18:47] <lafricain> Bad connection...
[18:48] <Kilos> lafricain  i have his info somehwere i hope will find it if at all possible
[18:48] <Kilos> hes in drc
[18:49] <Kilos><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:50] <inetpro> eish Kilos, please don't share email addresses like that!!!
[18:50] <Kilos> oops sorry
[18:50] <inetpro> poor dude can expect a bit of spam from here onwards
[18:50] <lafricain> Yes in drc like me! thank you very much!!7
[18:51] <Kilos> tell him im sorry i didnt give his address in pm lafricain
[18:54] <lafricain> ok I'll tell him. I wanted to open a private conversation.
[18:54] <inetpro> email addresses and phone numbers are always considered private
[18:54] <Kilos> ok ty inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> ill try not make that mistake again
[18:55] <Kilos> poor willy
[18:55] <inetpro> don't have sleepless nights about it, its water under the bridge
[18:56] <Kilos> yeah too late now


[15:12] <smoser> cmiN, and claudiupopa happy to have you all here.
[20:10] <smoser> harlowja: around ?
[20:10] <harlowja> yo
[20:10] <harlowja> sup
[20:10] <smoser> why would/should i like to use testr
[20:10] <smoser> versus something else.
[20:10] <harlowja> i personally would say don't, lol
[20:10] <harlowja> i personally don't like it :-P
[20:11] <harlowja> it does running tests in parallel better
[20:11] <smoser> so lets say that you were suggesting something... what would you suggest ?
[20:11] <harlowja> but its output imho suck
[20:11] <smoser> just nose ?
[20:11] <harlowja> ya, i still think its adeqaute; although pytest is supposedly nice also (although i haven't used it)
[20:12] <harlowja> http://pytest.org/latest/
[20:12] <harlowja> i just don't like testr and its creation of weirdly formatted files that are hard to undersetand
[20:13] <harlowja> crap like http://logs.openstack.org/10/148810/1/check/gate-taskflow-python27/8b0c041/subunit_log.txt.gz
[20:13] <harlowja> but maybe thats really more subunits fault; but testr seems to use it so i'll blame testr, lol
[20:14] <harlowja> so imho testr brings in alot of other projects (which sorta sux)
[20:14] <harlowja> testttools, subunit, testr...
[20:16] <harlowja> i think nose though is sorta dying/not updated anymore
[20:16] <harlowja> nm, thats a lie, ha
[21:50] <smoser> harlowja: https://github.com/cloud-init/cloud-init
[21:50] <smoser> fyi. initial stub directory tree.
[21:50] <smoser> now to make something actually work . :)
[22:01] <harlowja> woot
[22:02] <harlowja> looks good to me, ship it
[22:02] <larsks> Is that replacing the bzr repository at lp:cloud-init?
[22:02] <harlowja> i thinks so
[22:03] <larsks> Spiffy.
[22:05] <harlowja> now i guess is the question of how do we want this to operate? will this be a daemon that is connected into systemd events (and modules get triggered on events?)
[22:05] <harlowja> or will it retain the CLI activation?
[22:05] <harlowja> (or both or other...)
[22:06] <larsks> You mean, for a next-generation version of cloud-init?
[22:06] <harlowja> ya
[22:06] <harlowja> *since afaik thats what the above will become
[22:07] <larsks> Huh.  I would argue for not linking it too tightly to systemd, so that it is easy to support it in other environment (other linux distros/freebsd/solaris/etc).
[22:07] <larsks> Unless the goal is really to make it only-distributions-running-systemd sort of thing.
[22:08] <harlowja> i hope not, but it would seem like for linux responding to events (network plugged, reset the network information, new-metadata-arrived or something...) would be an approach
[22:08] <harlowja> guess it depends on where we want to go here :-P
[22:09] <larsks> Sure. So we can design cloud-init to make that easy through systemd units that run various command lines.
[22:09] <larsks> Things I want:
[22:09] <larsks> - cache metadata from the cloud provider, and then provide a query interface
[22:09] <larsks> - stop masking exceptions, which makes it really hard to debug things
[22:10] <harlowja> sure, seems reasonable
[22:12] <harlowja> larsks add stuff to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cloud-init-next if u want
[22:12] <larsks> Ooo, shiny.
[22:12] <harlowja> *if u haven't already
[22:14] <larsks> Are the stackforge suggestions yours?
[22:14] <harlowja> i don't think so, ha
[22:14] <harlowja> but might be :-P
[22:14] <larsks> Because that seems like a really good idea, too.
[22:15] <harlowja> nah, spelling is to good to be mine
[22:15] <harlowja> so def not mine, lol
[22:15] <harlowja> btw, metadata is already cached locally
[22:16] <harlowja> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/topics/dir_layout.html
[22:16] <harlowja> the metadata should be pickled into 'datasource' there (which is the datasource object)
[22:16] <harlowja> maybe not as visible as it could be though
[22:16] <larsks> Yeah.
[22:16] <larsks> And picke is awful python-specific.
[22:16] <larsks> Providing a cli for querying it might help, though.
[22:17] <harlowja> sure
[22:17] <harlowja> reminds me of https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/query-back-duo :-P
[22:17] <harlowja> from back in the day, ha
[22:18] <harlowja> or https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/query-tool-is-back ha
[22:18] <harlowja> didn't know there was 2 of those, lol
[22:18] <larsks> Nice.
[22:18] <larsks> The cirros cloud-init stuff does provide a query tool, which is nifty.
[22:18] <harlowja> cool
[22:18] <harlowja> cubswin
[22:18] <harlowja> lol
[22:19] <harlowja> blame smoser for that password, lol


[08:34] <mup> PR operator#841 opened: Fix typo in ConfigChangedEvent documentation <Created by gregory-schiano> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/841>


[13:07] <trijntje> I've noticed that the live system (for quantal) has a lot more untranslated strings than the installed system. What could be the cause of this? I don't think this was the case with precise
[13:32] <dpm> hi trijntje, with which language? Only a handful of the language packs are in the live system, the others need to be installed from the net
[13:36] <trijntje> dpm: the language is dutch, but I seem to recall that the live system for precise did contain more translations, for simple things like 'Home folder'
[13:38] <dpm> trijntje, it might be, I don't remember exactly how the 'Home folder' is translated in the live CD, but in any case, if anything is translated in languages for which the langpacks are not installed on the live cd, it's out of sheer luck, so I don't think it's a regression :)
[13:42] <trijntje> dpm: good to know it's not a regression. I suddenly noticed all the missing translations, so I got a bit worried. But I guess I wasn't paying attention before ;)


 Another Question for Kubuntu 20.04.1:  I've paired my Bluetooth Headphones and I've had them output audio before, but in the last few days, no audio has been coming out of it when I've reconnected my computer to it.  I'm looking for where I can select the output device to change it to my Bluetooth Headset.  Anybody know where that is?
[03:22] <ivan__> hola
[03:22] <ivan__> hello
 Why Firefox is crashing?
 Drivers are not loading automatically my WiFi, audio drivers don't load
[03:29] <keithzg> @zparihar the primary place for selecting audio devices is in System Settings > Audio. If that doesn't work, you might want to try "pavucontrol" (that's both the program name, and the package name) which exposes some of the fiddlier controls for PulseAudio.
 Yes, that's where I've checked, and I've used pavucontrol to find it as well because of how powerful it is.  But still don't see the devices in either, yet the headset is in a "connected" state
 I'm wondering if there is a service that needs to be restarted...btw, I haven't rebooted the machine in a while, but I'm going to guess when I reboot it, it will appear...
[03:34] <keithzg> @zparihar: Hmm, maybe. My guess would be that for some reason your headphones aren't detecting as an audio device when they're connected. But where along the chain that's happening, hard to know offhand.
[03:34] <keithzg> I know with my phone I often have to restart it before bluetooth devices will start connecting again . . . bluetooth really is a fickle beast!
[03:37] <keithzg> You could probably run `sudo journalctl -f` to see if any errors are logged when you connect the headphones; presumably there's a specific service you could specify to cut down on the chatter, but if so none of the systems in front of me right now obviously have it (was hoping it'd be as simple as `journalctl -u bluez -f` or such)
 @keithzg, I'll investigate...
 (Photo, 2560x1600) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/MGr5DUIr/file_38723.jpg
 Here is a screenshot of what I see (for bluetooth connections)
 I see a difference in the devices... the Bose Bluetooth speakers connect no problem, and its got a Device Icon... but the Headset has a Headset Icon, but no audio or audio device listed when connected
[07:20] <lordievader> Good morning
 Hello !
 (Photo, 1141x736) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wg1BUtg3/file_38731.jpg I have a small problem with my Nvidia card, driver and Plasma5/KDE. I have graphic issues visible in screenshots after computer standby
 Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] driver: nvidia v: 450.80.02  …            Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.9 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa resolution:  …            1: 1920x1080~60Hz 2: 1920x1080~60Hz  …            OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 750 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 450.80.02
 Its Plasma 5.19.5
 How to stop this virtual page sliding if scroll on desktop!!!
 It really sucks, I'm using an laptop and so it switch don't work properly
 @michellabrie, Try switching compositors
[12:36] <skramer> Hi everyone. Could it be there is no official upgrade path from18.04 to 20.04 yet? I'm still on 18.04 and did not get an offer to upgrade yet...
[12:57] <RikMills> skramer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:00] <skramer> RikMills Thanks Rik, for the link. I will check it now. Thought the upgrade would be automatically offered.
[13:06] <RikMills> skramer: not currently. that was done by part of plasma-discover, which KDE decided to remove a few years back
[13:14] <skramer> RikMills: I see, just studying the link you gave me. Thank you again!
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hey BluesKaj
[13:33] <BluesKaj> @Swift110, hi
 How are you blueskaj
[13:39] <BluesKaj> doing ok, and you?
 as you like
[15:35] <logofier> i tried installing kubuntu on my dell-vostro but then it showed couldn't install grub on dev/sda .....pls help me
[15:36] <fahad-M> <logofier "i tried installing kubuntu on my"> sounds like a hardware issue, or maybe issue with disc drive management. are you dual booting?
[15:36] <logofier> yes
[15:36] <fahad-M> hmmm, can you show me list of partitions you made?
[15:37] <logofier> w8
[15:38] <fahad-M> have you made efi partition?
[15:38] <logofier> ext4
[15:38] <fahad-M> efi fat 32 partition
[15:38] <logofier> usb stick?
[15:39] <fahad-M> no no, in diskdrive you are installing
[15:39] <fahad-M> make an efi partition
[15:39] <BluesKaj> 512mb
[15:39] <logofier> yes
[15:40] <logofier> i did
[15:40] <fahad-M> ok show me partitions then
[15:42] <logofier> how?
[15:43] <fahad-M> i would like to know the partitions present in your system drive where you are making the OS install
[15:43] <logofier> dev/sda1
[15:44] <logofier> sorry dev/sda4
[15:44] <mocalvao> Hi there
[15:44] <logofier> it shows dev/sda4 extended
[15:44] <fahad-M> hmm, ok devsda4 so you have windows already installed i guess
[15:44] <logofier> no its on sda2
[15:44] <fahad-M> do you see a separate windows reserved partition of 500 mb or sth?
[15:45] <fahad-M> > no its on sda2
[15:45] <fahad-M> yes i got it
[15:45] <logofier> yes sda1
[15:45] <fahad-M> and where is boot efi  boot partition
[15:46] <fahad-M> is it sda4?
[15:46] <logofier> yes it is extended, sda5 and sda6 specifically
[15:47] <logofier> under sda4 it shows sda5 and sda6 like a sub-partitions
[15:47] <fahad-M> ok, just to verify, you have made four new partitions for linux install
[15:47] <fahad-M> a swap partition
[15:47] <fahad-M> a root partition
[15:47] <fahad-M> a home partitions
[15:47] <fahad-M> partition*
[15:48] <logofier> three
[15:48] <logofier> three are under one main partition; sda4
[15:48] <fahad-M> can you then please show me? so i can see properly which one is missing and where the problem is
[15:48] <mocalvao> I used to have a seamless Kubuntu branch on my desktop machine. Then, after a regular apt update, carried out on 2020-11-09, the sound stopped working everywhere: internet videos and local ones as well. As far as I could check this last upgrade did not bring anything explicitly related to sound, apart perhaps from linux-firmware 1.187.4
[15:49] <logofier> how to show?
[15:49] <fahad-M> just take a pic
[15:49] <fahad-M> from phone camera maybe?
[15:49] <logofier> i cant i am using the trial version from the usb
[15:50] <logofier> should i try booting again from the usb stick?
[15:50] <fahad-M> but can you just take the pic of the partitions from smartphone?
[15:51] <fahad-M> you are messing up with partitions somewhere
[15:51] <logofier> can i contact u again after an hours i am in a hurry right now
[15:51] <mocalvao> I checked alsamixer, pavucontrol and System Settings -> Audio and I have two playback devices: Line Out (Builtin Audion Analog Stereo), which is default, and HDMI/DisplayPort 2 (HDA NVidia Digital Stereo (HDMI 2). Everything seems ok. Any suggestions to recover sound?
[15:52] <logofier> bye..
[15:52] <fahad-M> ok see you, text me personally, or maybe check few guides over internet.
[15:52] <fahad-M> see you
[15:52] <BluesKaj> mocalvao, make sure automute is disabled in alsamixer
[15:55] <mocalvao> BluesKaj: sure it did work now; sorry for the silly question. Why should this have been changed? I did not change it myself...
[15:56] <BluesKaj> mocalvao, usually after a firmware or kernel upgrade the automute is enabled by default
[15:56] <mocalvao> Ok. I will watch out for that from now on
[15:56] <BluesKaj> right
[15:58] <mocalvao> Another question: I used to have some time ago a working Bluetooth speaker paired with this very desktop. Then it stopped working (after some upgrade?) and I only could get sound back again installing a wired speakers, which are the ones I have now. Would you have any suggestions related to this?
[16:00] <mocalvao> The Bluetooth speaker was an Anker one with very nice sound :-(
[16:05] <BluesKaj> check your BT configuration to pair with the BT speaker
[16:05] <fahad-M> honestly, my bluetooth doesn't work at all, shows no adapters found, it shows it's enabled in bios but idk the shit with OS, both windows and ubuntu don't give me bluetooth option, maybe hardware issue, maybe now😋
[16:06] <mocalvao> In Bluetooth, under System Settings no adapters are found, like fatha-M mentioned
[16:07] <fahad-M> hey anyone has idea about my issue? didn;t find anything on google
[16:07] <Kurozen> Hmm
[16:08] <Kurozen> Hey guys, so underscore is not allowed URL character?
[16:08] <Kurozen> I have systemd-resolved reporting invalid hosts, saying they're ignored
[16:22] <Dragnslcr> Kurozen- do you mean in domain names?
[16:24] <Kurozen> Dragnslcr: In Journalctl, systemd-resolved[573]: /etc/hosts:306: hostname "onyx_tiles.stage.mozaws.net" is not valid, ignoring.
[16:25] <Kurozen> This is what Wireshark gave me so dunno, perhaps underscore is some replacement for some other char or a miscopy
[16:25] <Kurozen> Everything with underscore has this "not valid" error is the pattern I'm seeing.
[16:27] <Dragnslcr> That's correct. Underscores are not allowed in domain names. The only valid characters are letters, digits, and hyphen.
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6PUhlsCJ/file_38742.jpg
 how to fix?
 @SharGen19, don't use the chromium snap
[19:35] <Guest_89> Good day, does anyone know how to fix the Ubuntu freeze issue? I'm having trouble finding the cause and searches are inconclusive.
[19:39] <diogenes_> Guest_89, check RAM/swap usage.
[19:42] <Guest_89> diogenes_ Info:      Processes: 336 Uptime: 1h 38m Memory: 31.36 GiB used: 3.69 GiB (11.8%) Shell: bash inxi: 3.0.38; swap is 975 MB and empty
[19:43] <diogenes_> Guest_89, i mean when the freezes occur.
[19:44] <Guest_89> Chromium was the only program running, couldn't have been more than now. I just can't tell what's causing it. The logs seem to be ok.
[19:49] <diogenes_> does it freezes completely or you can still move stuff but slower also how fast does it get back to normal?
[19:50] <Guest_89> I've added a swapfile with asize of 8 GiB, maybe that'll help
[19:52] <Guest_89> When it freezes I cannot do anything. Sometimes the magic keys work (20% of the cases). It affects mostly "light" programs like Firefox and Chromium (under light load). I've had this issue on both Intel and AMD systems.
[19:53] <Guest_89> -affects +freeze triggered when working with; Sometimes the issue occurs when the machine is idle, with little or almost no load.
[20:01] <diogenes_> try then to change the compositor backend from openGL to xrender.
[20:02] <Guest_89> Should I change the compositor right away, or after the next freeze?
[20:07] <fuddlydudly123> Hey - whos in here?
 9
[20:12] <diogenes_> Guest_89, change as soon as possible.
[20:13] <Guest_89> diogenes_ done. Thanks for the support.
[20:14] <diogenes_> no problem, for a cleaner test i'd recommend a log out.
[20:15] <Guest_89> ok, I'll log out of the session and back on, brb


[07:26] <guiverc> Bashing-om, fyi:  I'm reading thru gdoc, have made a suggestion you can read & action when you can (no hurry)
[07:28] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack // sorta tied up with support at the time - maybe my tomorrow before I get to it // tomorrow soon enough ?
[07:29] <guiverc> no hurry at all... intention was just letting you know there is a comment before you copy/paste  (two comments now, still looking at second myself though)
[07:29] <guiverc> & Thanks Bashing-om
[07:31] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Me and my one-track mind that is afflicted with tunnel vision :(
[07:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Support caught up - looking at Gdoc :P
[21:44] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue764 up for review and final edits: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue764 :D
[21:58] <krytarik> "Desktop Team Updates - Monday Monday 5th December 2022" - spot what's wrong! >_<
[22:06] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Ouch double entry - fixing :D
[23:40] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Xubuntu 23.04 Adds PipeWire & Flatpak to Default Install @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/12/xubuntu-23-04-adds-pipewire-flatpak-to-default-install (by Joey Sneddon)
[23:40] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Linux Mint 21.1 Beta is Available to Download @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/12/linux-mint-21-1-beta-is-available-to-download (by Joey Sneddon)


[11:56] <apw> b xnox
[11:57] <xnox> apw: oj!
[11:57] <apw> missing / and all that
[12:58] <apw> xnox,  on Bug #1396383 ... we have to run update-grub as the filename grub will see and use changes when there is a signed kernel in place
[12:59] <apw> and we cannot modify the existing kernel in place, because that is a file in another package, and you don't do that
[12:59] <apw> it is possible we could divert the original vmlinux in that case
[13:00] <apw> we don't user /etc/kernel/* because that would make it rebuild the initrd even more times on install
[13:00] <apw> though that would be fixed if i uploaded my triggers fixes
[13:00] <apw> but that is waiting on initramfs-tools and that is waiting on console-setup
[15:41] <apw> hallyn, hey ... it seems your qemu update has dropped a symlink kvm-spice -> kvm, is this to be expected?  it stops all my libvirt VMs from working
[19:59]  * apw pokes hallyn
[21:04] <clopez> have the patches for VT mode KD_TRANSPARENT and vt_handoff  tried to be merged either upstream or in the debian kernel?
[21:20] <clopez> http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/60271/  and http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/60272/
[21:20] <clopez> seems that ubuntu 14.04 not longer has this patches, neither i see them on upstream... what happened?
[22:22] <apw> clopez, not exactly
[22:31] <clopez> apw: is another patch implemeting a feature like this one?
[23:06] <apw> clopez, vt handoff et al are still in our kernels, cirtainly is there in vivid
[23:06] <RAOF> Hm. Whatever happened to those hot data tracking patches...
[23:11] <clopez> apw: "grep -ri vt_handoff" returns only changelog entries on Ubuntu 14.04 kernel sources (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.13.0-40.69.dsc)
[23:11] <clopez> what i'm missing?
[23:16] <apw> clopez, no it may be missingin 3.13, it is there still in general in our kernels
[23:21] <clopez> i see, so support for this feature is broken on 14.04 ?
[23:23] <apw> clopez, it does sound like it.
[23:24] <apw> RAOF, ?
[23:31] <RAOF> apw: Oh, I just remember there being VFS patches for hot-data tracking and migration some time ago, but can't find any recent work on them.
[23:32] <clopez> ok, thanks for the clarification
[23:33] <apw> clopez, you have a use case for those patches ...?
[23:36] <clopez> yes, avoiding the black screen meanwhile the kernel is loading (between grub and the load of the initramfs)
[23:36] <apw> clopez, if you do, you might file a bug about it so we don't forget to look, and dump the bug number in here.


[09:54] <ecobos> Hey, direct download links in https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ use http:// rather than https://
[09:54] <ecobos> Which cause Firefox to (correctly) flag it as potentially insecure
[09:54] <ecobos> Just using https:// there works, so maybe the link could be fixed?
[10:17] <kryten> ecobos: "Fixed" (also on some other links on the page that were still HTTP)
[12:58] <Eickmeyer[m]> Used to be only http worked.
[13:02] <RikMills> zysnc only works with plain http
[14:27] <BrianHechinger[m> Firefox is getting obnoxious with their security warnings.
[16:31] <ecobos> kryten: Thanks!
[22:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> leonwinter1993: Welcome. I'll let you know when I've got something, just watch element for a notification.
[22:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> Bear in mind, I can't add it to Ubuntu Studio 22.04 retroactively, but I can put it in the backport ppa when it's ready.
[22:37] <leonwinter1993[m> Eickmeyer: Heck yeah dude! I'm not always on here, so if it takes me a minute to respond, feel free to shoot me a DM and I'll get back to you ASAP
[22:38] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oh, don't worry. Instant messaging != instant, if you know what I mean. :)
[22:38] <leonwinter1993[m> Haha I got you
[22:38] <leonwinter1993[m> Again, much appreciated!
[22:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> leonwinter1993: I found the source code and I just realized I've been working on this set of plugins for quite some time. It's actually a gigantic plugin bundle in the source code that I've been trying to get a code review on forever. At one point, I had a build, but it's way outdated.
[22:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> So this is... youch.
[22:42] <leonwinter1993[m> Yeah I think it comes with a package called distrho-ports
[22:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Indeed it does.
[22:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's the source package.
[22:43] <leonwinter1993[m> Weird thing is, it works on the arch-based distros that I've used.
[22:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, Debian (and Ubuntu) packaging is quite a bit more pedantic when it comes to copyright. We have a file that has to account for every single file in the source. That takes some time to go through for both the packager to create, and the reviewer to review.
[22:47] <leonwinter1993[m> So it it just a matter of waiting for a review, or a matter of "how to get it reviewed"?
[22:47] <leonwinter1993[m> If it's the latter, maybe hit up the guys over at Manjaro and see how they got it through?
[22:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nah, it's a matter of the wait for the most part. However, uploading to my own PPA is a matter of just a  little yeet.
[22:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Manjaro's packaging is completely different.
[22:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Fedora's is one I can speak to as well as I'm technically still a packager there. With that, it's all just one file, and you just have to list the licenses without respect to the individual files.
[22:49] <leonwinter1993[m> I figured so. Anyway to yeet it over to your PPA and try it out? I just started with my Ubuntu Studio setup, so I don't mind risking my current system to test it.
[22:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, I could, but my sources are out of date, so it'll be a bit. Can't even guarantee it'll be tonight.
[22:51] <leonwinter1993[m> That's ok with me dude. Whenever you're ready, just lmk and I'd be happy to try it out!
[22:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sure, will do.
[22:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> We can always use more people willing to test thigns.
[22:52] <leonwinter1993[m> Happy to help out any way I can, really want to find my home distro for linux music production, and it would be super cool for it to be ubuntu studio!
[22:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, that's one of the many things it's made for, so we'd be happy to have you!
[22:52] <leonwinter1993[m> Sweet!
[22:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Is there something I can help with as far as the plugin goes?
[22:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Considering I have nothing to work with (yet)... nothing. 😅
[22:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. OK, I was just thinking I could manage the copyright file or something.
[22:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I mean... if you want... last time I touched it it was over 1,500 lines
[22:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, I don't have anything pressing I'm doing in Lubuntu, so it might be a fun project.
[22:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I'd hate for you to start from scratch, so let me see if I can even find it.
[22:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Found it, and yes, I haven't touched it for two years: https://code.launchpad.net/distrho-ports
[22:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'll get the new upstream release in.
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> I think I should start from scratch for accuracy's sake. I'll just use LibreOffice Calc to help me with it, and then translate it to Debian copyright file format.
[23:00] <arraybolt3[m]> What version should I be doing it against?
[23:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I'm updating the entire git repo now. It'll only be 6 months out of date, since the last release was in March 2021.
[23:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK.
[23:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, the copyright file won't be too far off.
[23:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> Pretty much will need to add all of the ports/ and scripts/ directories.
[23:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Ok, you should have push/pull access to that git repo. Everything you need should be in master.
[23:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> Final push done.
[23:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Oh wow, thank you!
[23:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Feel free to comb through and make any corrections to that d/copyright. It's nearly 500 lines long (I was exaggerating earlier, but it's a long one).
[23:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> There are two new plugins, one of which is the plugin in question.
[23:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> Both include an lv2 and a vst version.
[23:31] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. What's the old version so I can git diff properly?
[23:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sorry if this is a silly question, but I'm not sure how to look it up off the top of my head.)
[23:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Actually, you don't need to. Everything is updated, we're just looking for an update to the d/copyright at this point.
[23:34] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, OK. I see what you're saying.
[23:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have a pretty fast workflow when it comes to updating upstream branches.


[00:51] <ametheus> Guys, I'm suddenly not sure about bug 808498
[00:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808498 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "default LS_COLORS are annoyingly unreadable (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808498
[00:52] <ametheus> It's either an opinion, or a tiny design fix
[00:52] <ametheus> what do you think?
[01:01] <ametheus> Well, serves me right for late-night bug management.
[01:02] <ametheus> Do drop me a line; I'd like some feedback on my bug gardening skills.
[13:31] <om26er> why do I see 'launchad bug tracker' confirming bugs these days?
[13:33] <pedro_> om26er, http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/automatic-confirmation
[13:35] <om26er> pedro_, reading, thx :)
[13:35] <pedro_> yw
[17:16] <RedSingularity> jibel: bug 802409.  Did you notice that on previous versions or just oneric?
[17:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 802409 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Do not propose to dist-upgrade without a network connection (affects: 1) (heat: 158)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/802409
[18:14] <bdmurray> Ampelbein: thanks for the idea regarding search-bugs and all of ubuntu
[19:16] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: what's going on in bug 798529?
[19:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 798529 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "package update-manager-kde 1:0.150.2 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798529
[19:17] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: specifically what are you trying to find out?
[20:03] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: I was looking for the state of that package he has.  I meant to ask for the output of 'dpkg -s update-manager-kde'  Not sure why I used 'apt-cache' :/
[20:03] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: right but why?
[20:04] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: TermLog was showing a config error with that package.
[20:04] <bdmurray> Setting up update-manager-kde (1:0.150.2) ...
[20:04] <bdmurray> Segmentation fault
[20:04] <bdmurray> dpkg: error processing update-manager-kde (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 139
[20:05] <bdmurray> It looks to me like it crashed
[20:06]  * RedSingularity looking
[20:07] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: hmmm, but it was in the process of installing, correct?
[20:08] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: yes update-manager-kde was in the process of installing and something crashed - what we really need is an apport-crash report not an apport-package report
[20:09] <bdmurray> Thank you for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu better.  Reviewing your log files attached to this bug report it seems that a package failed to install due to a segmentation fault in application being used by the package installation process.  Unfortunately, this bug report isn't very useful in its current state and a crash report would be much more useful.  Could you try recreating this issue by enabling appo
[20:11] <yofel> bdmurray: you're obviously not using an IRC client that handles the IRC character limit properly :P (you got cut off "by enabling appo...")
[20:11] <bdmurray> I have no limits!
[20:11] <yofel> heh
[20:12] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: I believe I was going to have the user reconfigure the package with 'dpkg' and see if it cleaned it up.  It seemed like an isolated case to me.  I will ask for the crash log though.
[20:12] <bdmurray> There are a surprising number of segfaults during package installations
[20:13] <RedSingularity> Best way would be to enable apport?  No other quick command to temporarily run a apport service?
[20:13] <bdmurray> 'sudo service apport start force_start=1' and then trying to install  the same package again?
[20:14] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: and thats it!  ;)
[20:14] <bdmurray> we don't people on stable releases enabling apport!
[20:15] <bdmurray> suprising = 143 so far
[20:16] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: that number just for natty?
[20:17] <bdmurray> no all releases
[20:19] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: having the user run that command will take him through the steps for a new report?  If so you think its better to close the original or just dupe the 2?
[20:20] <yofel> new report, as update-manager is not what crashed
[20:20] <yofel> (IMO)
[20:20] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: no they'll need to repeat the operation too
[20:21] <bdmurray> RedSingularity: here is the complete comment
[20:21] <bdmurray> http://paste.ubuntu.com/650212/
[20:22] <RedSingularity> bdmurray: ok thanks.  Doing it now.
[20:26] <RedSingularity> yofel: What package assignment would be more appropriate in that case?
[20:26] <yofel> well, there are 3 things that can possibly crash looking at the postinst script: pycompile, which, dash. So one if them depending on the crash report (apport will assign it)
[20:27] <yofel> *one of them
[20:32] <RedSingularity> yofel: which log are you reading that from?
[20:33] <yofel> no log, the log said " update-manager-kde (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script" -> post-installation script is /var/lib/dpkg/info/update-manager-kde.postinst (here for you to read: http://paste.kde.org/100309)
[20:34] <yofel> so 3 things can crash: pycompile from line 6, which from line 5, or the shell itself
[20:35] <RedSingularity> yofel: ohhhh ok.  I never looked at that before.  Thanks much!
[20:37] <yofel> RedSingularity: tip, for non-crash errors in the scripts (like exit status 1 which tells you nothing), it helps to add '-x' to the first line for debugging as that'll print what the script does. (ONLY for debugging, and  mostly if you can reproduce it yourself)
[20:37] <yofel> since that requires editing of the script, nothing the general user should do
[20:40] <RedSingularity> yofel: so the -x would go under #!/bin/sh ?
[20:40] <RedSingularity> under that line i mean
[20:41] <yofel> either add 'set -x' or use '#/bin/sh -x'
[20:41] <yofel> er, '#!/bin/sh -x'
[20:43] <RedSingularity> And then run the program again or just execute the script manually?
[20:44] <yofel> manually would be best, or run dpkg --configure. dpkg -i would overwrite the script again. (so debugging failures on install can be tricky :/)
[23:18] <jmburgess> Hello! I'm new to debugging and just had a quick question. I've been using the Bug's need a bugwatch site to find some low hanging fruit to get started (http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/unlinked-bugwatch.html) and as I go through them I want to check off the ones that don't have an appropriate upstream bug link in the comments...what is a good way to do that?


[02:59] <WilsonStudioWeb>  Anyone here familiar in working with the Ubuntu Software center API in JSOn format?
[06:31] <dpm> good morning everyone
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <TheFred> hello
[09:56] <TheFred> I've been reading about using quickly to create ubuntu applications, and can see that 'quickly edit' opens the files, but which one should i place my python (2.7) code into?
[10:20] <dpm> hi TheFred. Your GUI code should be on the <yourapp>Window.py file
[10:20] <dpm> you can modify it to suit your needs
[10:20] <TheFred> aha - thanks,i was tinkering trying to work it out for myself
[10:20] <dpm> but that does not mean that the code needs to be confined there
[10:20] <dpm> you can add your own additional modules outside of that file
[10:21] <dpm> what that file provides is just a boilerplate to help you get started
[10:21] <TheFred> I was banging my head trying to modify the __init__.py
[10:21] <TheFred> dpm, thanks - thats appreciated
[10:22] <dpm> TheFred, no worries, glad to help. Feel free to ask here or on askubuntu if we can give a hand in any way
[10:22] <TheFred> I know this is newbish - but do i have to create my own class, or modify the ***Window class thats already there?
[10:23] <dpm> it all depends on what you want to do. If you are just starting, I'd recommend just modifying the window that's created for you
[10:23] <dpm> simply run 'quickly design', strip it of anything you don't need
[10:24] <dpm> add the widgets, that you need, etc
[10:24] <dpm> and modify the rest in the code (on <yourapp>Window.py)
[10:25] <dpm> you might also want to read the tutorial, it's quite helpful. You can run 'quickly tutorial' and the documentation viewer will pop up with the docs
[10:25] <TheFred> ok, i've got a python program that runs well, it reads ascii strings from a socket and would like to display this in either a text box or label
[10:26] <TheFred> aha - quickly tutorial, you say.... thats gold
[10:26] <dpm> :-)
[10:27] <dpm> if your program is contained in a module, perhaps you can just drop it as it in the 'yourapp' folder and integrate it with <yourapp>Window.py so that it reads the results and displays them
[10:27] <dpm> this way you get nice separation between logic and UI
[10:34] <TheFred> thats an area i really need to do more work on - classes and modules, this may just be the motivation i need
[10:52] <dpm> cool :)
[10:53] <dpm> a real project always helps with motivation
[14:26] <TheFred> hmm, now to try to get the strings from the socket into a textview.. but how to I go about connecting data = client_socket.recv(512) to a text view?
[14:26] <TheFred> The button events seem straight forward enough, but socket events?
[21:45] <strycore> hey there
[21:46] <strycore> I don't know if anyone here uses vim to code PyGobject, but i'm having a lot of troubles with it
[21:47] <strycore> i've explained the problem in details here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105054545451660940700/posts/YMd62nU17GP
[21:48] <strycore> but basically, vim crashes as soon as i enter PyGobject code


[05:29] <mborzecki> morning
[06:53] <zyga[m]> good morning :)
[07:01] <zyga[m]> bboozzoo: I think I'm having a renewed interest in snaps
[07:01] <mborzecki> zyga: hey, how so?
[07:02] <zyga[m]> mainly as a way to explore building projects from source in a convenient way
[07:02] <zyga[m]> new snapcraft 7 is nice
[07:02] <zyga[m]> much fewer rough edges than before
[07:02] <zyga[m]> bboozzoo: I need to grok the launchpad API to create snap projects without having to make a launchpad project along the way but cjwatson showed me how to do that so I think all I need is a moment to focus
[07:03] <zyga[m]> one very narrow thing that deserves to be snapped are ... compilers!
[07:03] <zyga[m]> initially we talked about how they would all be classic
[07:03] <zyga[m]> but I think that's a mistake in assumptions
[07:03] <zyga[m]> compilers don't have to be classic at all, all you need to do is to flip the perspective
[07:04] <zyga[m]> if a compiler is strictly confined, all you need to do is places to plug libraries/headers
[07:04] <zyga[m]> my exploration of the hare snap is just the start :)
[07:04] <zyga[m]> hey pstolowski
[07:04] <pstolowski> hey!
[07:04] <zyga[m]> pstolowski: you are not on matrix, right?
[07:04] <pstolowski> zyga[m]: no
[07:05] <zyga[m]> right, I was wondering if you've tried it and disliked it or just never tried it
[07:05] <zyga[m]> it's especially nice for IRC persistence
[07:05] <zyga[m]> and free
[07:29] <pstolowski> zyga[m]: mborzecki has been using it
[07:29] <pstolowski> i've never tried it
[07:30] <zyga[m]> yeah, me too, give it a try if you never have
[07:30] <zyga[m]> it's like IRC met telegram and had a federated baby
[07:30] <mborzecki> pstolowski: can confirm it works pretty well, libera runs a native bridge to matrix and the experience is very good so far
[07:31] <zyga[m]> ;0
[07:31] <zyga[m]> ;)
[08:46] <mardy> hi all :-)
[08:46] <mardy> (I was up since early morning, but did not pay attention to IRC)
[09:22] <pstolowski> hey mardy
[09:39] <mup> PR snapd#11827 opened: cmd/snap: support custom apparmor features dir with snap prepare-image <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11827>
[10:44] <mup> PR snapd#11828 opened: boot, secboot: separate the TPM provisioning and key sealing <Run nested> <factory reset 🔌> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11828>
[13:55] <mup> PR snapd#11825 closed: cmd/snap: add help strings for set-quota options <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11825>
[14:15] <mup> PR snapd#11829 opened: o/state: use more detailed NoStateError in state <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11829>
[14:22] <mup> PR snapcraft#3768 opened: Fix install command <Created by sergio-costas> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3768>
[15:55] <mup> PR snapd#11830 opened: interfaces: update network-control interface with permissions required by resolvectl <Needs security review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11830>
[19:08] <mardy> amurray: hi! When you have some time, please have a look at my PRs with the "need security review" tag: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pulls/mardy
[20:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#3767 closed: parts: don't copy metadata if already at destination <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3767>
[20:17] <mup> Bug #1976305 opened: Unable to get DNS configuration from snap <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1976305>
[21:02] <mup> PR snapcraft#3769 opened: parts: fix base package cutoff <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3769>
[23:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3769 closed: parts: fix base package cutoff <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3769>


[00:49] <ali1234> is u1db the old thing that got scrapped or the new thing that replaces it?
[01:15] <MattJ> Why am I awake?
[01:17] <penguin42> temperature
[06:43] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:03] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <dwatkins> aloha
[07:08] <MooDoo> dwatkins: oi you know that's czajkowski's saying :) lol
[07:10] <dwatkins> it is?
[07:10] <dwatkins> I just tend to pick a random greeting each day.
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> g'morning!
[07:10] <dwatkins> goedendag
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag ?
[07:20] <MooDoo> so how is everyone at the moment? glad it's friday?
[07:20] <dwatkins> very glad indeed, it's been a crazy week here in Edinburgh
[07:20] <MooDoo> is canonical still doing ubuntu certification with the lpi?
[07:21] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: haha, I meant "good day" in Dutch, of course ;)
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's what it usually means ;)
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: VERY glad it's friday
[07:21] <dwatkins> "Good morning, or a scary looking mace thing, depending on the context"
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: You only have to worry if you have a French accent, according to apocryphal sources ;)
[07:23] <dwatkins> I always thought "apocryphal" meant "contested".
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "of dubious authenticity"
[07:23] <dwatkins> ah ok, not far off
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (there's only one source for the "French-stabbing" origins of the Goedendag name)
[07:26] <dwatkins> That's ok then, it probably didn't maim too many people...
[07:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer starts writing a draft review of some beer...
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: yay! :)
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: positive or negative?
[07:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Only tried the Broeders so far - but that was lovely ;-)
[07:36] <dwatkins> "draft" ... badum tschhhh.....
[07:36] <MooDoo> doooooo
[07:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: careful, you'll get TheOpenSourcerer HOP-ing mad on that one.
[07:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - it'll not get published for a while... Need to try the Dark Roast yet and get AlanBell's input too.
[07:37] <dwatkins> I think there's a grain of truth to that, MooDoo...
[07:37]  * AlanBell input one of the light beers
[07:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: thanfully the jokes are mild
[07:37] <AlanBell> was rather yummy
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Friday-level jokes
[07:38] <dwatkins> Just so long as the review isn't gassy.
[07:38] <MooDoo> just keep it all low gravity
[07:38] <AlanBell> someone got an iPhone handy?
[07:38] <AlanBell> want to test something
[07:38] <dwatkins> yeah AlanBell - 4S
[08:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:20] <dwatkins> wotcher brobostigon
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:20] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[08:20] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:44] <popey> Morning all
[08:45] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:50] <x98> hi there i was told here to upgrage to 12.04.1 lts to fix my cpu fan error but it hasn't worked
[08:50] <x98> my laptop now has overheated
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Soyuz 14 Landing Day! :-D
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame: http://www.h-online.com/features/The-Final-H-Roundup-1919816.html
[08:54] <JamesTait> The H is going away?
[08:54] <JamesTait> Didn't fabsh work for them?
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-is-closing-down-1920027.html
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> yep
[08:55] <JamesTait> fabsh killed The H? :-P
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/07/bier-vandestreek/
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Wow, thanks :)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Sent it to my brothers
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> They've already picked it up on twitter
[09:10] <diplo> Will point my dad at it as well ,he likes strong beers and trying new stuff
[09:10] <diplo> Guys, web dev stuff I know is OT but :)
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Their shop doesn't work for me - so I don;t think you can actually buy it yet...
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> you can send them an email to order if you really want it
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> or use the Dutch-language shop
[09:11] <diplo> I'm trying to clean up some CSS which has acrued over the years, basically want a way of checking through a CSS file and see if all elements are used in the code
[09:12] <diplo> kk, I may order it as a treat. Cheers
[09:14] <SuperMatt> awww man, sads to see the H going :(
[09:22] <SuperMatt> in chromium, is there a sync alternative that doesn't use google?
[09:38] <MooDoo> just rebuilt my vps to ubuntu lts, yay vps o/ lol
[09:41] <SuperMatt> my vps is 13.04
[09:42] <brobostigon> debian testing here.
[09:42] <MooDoo> don't need to upgrade to the latest version, LTS is fine :D
[09:43] <MooDoo> same on my laptop LTS is fine for the moment :d
[09:44] <SuperMatt> my vps is 13.04, but my laptop, desktop and *work* pcs are 13.10
[09:44] <SuperMatt> I like to be on the edge
[09:44] <MooDoo> heh
[09:45] <MooDoo> well seeing as my vps just runs a minecraft server and irssi, i don't need anything else :d
[09:45] <SuperMatt> oh, mine runs my website, email, etc
[09:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: yeah I could do that, but I just use works systems and google for mail :D
[09:46] <SuperMatt> but I like to run the latest stable releases of stuff
[09:46] <SuperMatt> I'm slowly phasing google out of my life
[09:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: how come?
[09:46] <brobostigon> tt-rss :)
[09:46] <SuperMatt> just... because
[09:46] <SuperMatt> yup, I run tt-rss
[09:47] <MooDoo> crappy excuse but i'll not pry ;)
[09:47] <SuperMatt> there's no real reason for it, but I mostly got fed up with relying on others for my stuff
[09:47] <brobostigon> i run owncloud also, so stores contacts, calendar etc.
[09:47] <popey> SuperMatt: wise
[09:47] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I know how you feel on that one :d
[09:47] <SuperMatt> of course, I do have to rely heavily on a single company to provide my vps
[09:49] <SuperMatt> but that's unavoidable
[09:49] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: get a server at home :D
[09:49] <SuperMatt> heh
[09:49] <SuperMatt> naw
[09:50] <SuperMatt> I'm happy with the company I'm with because my friend works for them
[09:50] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ah! :)
[09:50] <popey> hah, i used to run popey.com from a compaq proliant at home
[09:52] <diplo> never had issues with ports popey  ?
[09:52] <popey> nope
[09:52] <popey> but that was years ago
[09:54] <SuperMatt> I'm paying £30 a month for 40gigs of disk and 1gig of ram
[09:54] <SuperMatt> and it's pretty swift
[09:54] <MooDoo> just got 2gb 50gb 1 core, that'll do for me.
[09:55] <SuperMatt> well, you need all that ram for minecraft ;)
[09:55] <MooDoo> lol
[09:56] <JamesTait> http://www.bigv.io/prices ftw.
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> SuperMatt: About £40 >> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4
[09:56] <MooDoo> you use them TheOpenSourcerer ?
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> We use Hetzner yes.
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have 4 servers there at the moment.
[09:57] <SuperMatt> how... how are they making any money off that?
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> They've just introduced some new ones... http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex/
[09:58] <SuperMatt> what's the catch?
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> None we have found.
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are root servers, i.e. h/w so we look after everything on top.
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> They keep the metal working and the network working.
[09:58] <SuperMatt> sure
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been using them for a couple of years now.
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> A couple of minor network outages in that time but nothing serious.
[09:59] <SuperMatt> but surely the cost of procurement, networking equiptment, electricity and connectivity cost more than that?
[09:59] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: Ordering mine next month for work
[09:59] <MooDoo> i've heard so many people talking about them, can't be that bad then
[09:59] <diplo> SuperMatt: I do wonder the same, but I guess that's their problem :)
[10:00] <diplo> If it's good enough for TheOpenSourcerer, I guess it's worth a try, our current reseller causes me headaches
[10:00] <diplo> Only thing I'm not looking forward to is looking after it, got quite a workload atm
[10:01] <SuperMatt> poor thing
[10:01] <diplo> My only issue is that I need a web hosting panel for other staff
[10:01] <diplo> Trying a few out atm
[10:01] <SuperMatt> at the moment, I'm just messing around with name servers
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> They've just upped the bandwidth limits too - from 5TB / mnth to 20 TB
[10:02] <MooDoo> diplo: cpanel is the easiest i've foind.
[10:02] <MooDoo> found
[10:03]  * TheOpenSourcerer hates all of them
[10:03] <diplo> Yeah, but to buy a license it's quite expensive
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Plesk is evil.
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cpanel is just crap.
[10:03] <diplo> I'd rather not TheOpenSourcerer, but staff aren't that great
[10:03] <MooDoo> i hate plesk
[10:03] <popey> hmm, i quite like the idea of having my own server
[10:03] <MooDoo> it's not crap it does what it's supposed to and seems quite handy
[10:03] <MooDoo> not that I have a cp on this box
[10:04] <AlanBell> it doesn't provide adequate separation between customers
[10:04] <MooDoo> popey: me too, i just got this vps via work.
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: We have a customer for whom we look after some VMs. They run CPanel.
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is crap.
[10:04] <MooDoo> in your oppinion :p
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> In my *experience*
[10:04] <MooDoo> then again i'm only seeing it from a 1 customer / 1 cpanel point of view.
[10:06] <diplo> Looking at trying http://ajenti.org
[10:07] <diplo> Tried ISPConfig3 and Webmin/VirtualMin
[10:07] <MooDoo> then again why use a cp if you know what you're doing via command line.
[10:08] <diplo> I do MooDoo, other 17 staff don;t, they're worried if I or my colleague leave they may be a little screwed
[10:08] <MooDoo> lol
[10:08] <MooDoo> then you need to train them :D :p
[10:08] <diplo> They do stuff just to get it working, don't document *anything*
[10:08] <diplo> I've documented more in the last 3 years than all of them have in 17 years :/
[10:08] <MooDoo> diplo: that's rubbish
[10:09] <MooDoo> and their own fault if anything goes wrong.
[10:09] <AlanBell> it isn't that it is a GUI that is a problem, that is fine
[10:09] <diplo> It is, it sucks.. but they are all using my documentation now
[10:09] <diplo> AlanBell: More that it does things non standard ?
[10:09] <MooDoo> quit and see what happend ;)
[10:09] <brobostigon> most of my documentation of my vps's are either in my head, or on several dozen post-it notes. not good.
[10:09] <diplo> That was m,y problem with a lot of them
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is quite a good idea too. You can bid for old tin that customers have stopped using: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
[10:10] <MooDoo> brobostigon: if it's your vps it doesn't matter, when it's a companies that's where the problems occur
[10:10] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, certainly.
[10:10] <diplo> http://www.phpmyfaq.de/ started using this now, used to have ODT's etc everywhere, preferring this
[10:10] <MooDoo> rhanks for that TheOpenSourcerer didn't know about that
[10:11] <diplo> Get my server here on Monday, so going to boot up some VM's to test and make a decision on a panel or just very good documentation
[10:12] <MooDoo> diplo: big powerful box?
[10:13] <AlanBell> diplo: a bit, the big issue is separation, it also tries to do too much of the DNS stuff, and does email etc
[10:13] <diplo> Hand me down from the company that owns us, but fairly powerful.. not seen it or been given specs
[10:14] <MooDoo> diplo: cool, I want a big server for vmware
[10:14] <AlanBell> there is a rather nice core i7 980ex with SSD for €78/month there
[10:14] <diplo> yeah, we have them in nottingham but nobody again knows what they're doing and also if the line drops I can't work on them
[10:15] <MooDoo> diplo: give me lots of money and I'll go look after them for you ;)
[10:15] <MooDoo>  lol
[10:15] <AlanBell> we also find that with cpanel everyone continues to not know what they are doing :)
[10:15] <MooDoo> I suppose it does bring out the laziness in people :)
[10:15] <diplo> Basically, each staff member knows how to do there thing, they never look for whats causing an issue they just reinstall etc
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\there\their
[10:16] <diplo> Never helps, so with my documentation I've added issues part to the bottom, issues that occur and how to resolve in common cases
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\whats\what's
[10:16] <MooDoo> diplo: they need a kick up the jacksy :d
[10:16] <diplo> heh :P
[10:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:16] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, I type badly when typing fast.
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 even :D
[10:16]  * diplo slaps own wrist
[10:17] <diplo> MooDoo: They do!
[10:17] <MooDoo> diplo: i've got a good size 11, what's the address ;)
[10:17] <diplo> Colwick trading estate :)
[10:18] <diplo> I know where it is,  if you saw the *serveR* room you'd laugh :)
[10:18] <MooDoo> diplo: i know it's colwick i was teasing :D
[10:20]  * TheOpenSourcerer might have found some sport for next Sunday: https://twitter.com/BOYCEYSPIZZA/status/357472308358680576/photo/1
[10:20] <AlanBell> go for it!
[10:21] <MooDoo> awesome, i'd have a go at that :d
[10:22] <diplo> I'm not sure I can handle hot stuff like I used to
[10:22] <MooDoo> ghost chilli is nice
[10:22] <diplo> About to start making currys again soon, so will see how I get on with them first
[10:23] <MooDoo> bhut jolikia mash is a stable part of my weekend bacon cob routine :D
[10:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer needs to prepare his food plan.. Wife and kids go to France for a week next Thursday.
[10:24] <diplo> how come you're not going TheOpenSourcerer ?
[10:24] <brobostigon> bachelor life for a week,
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are camping. I do not camp
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Would rather stick Bhut Jolokias in my eyeballs
[10:24] <brobostigon> i like my bath too much, i dont camp either.
[10:24] <diplo> hah, taking my kids camping next month. Love it
[10:25] <MooDoo> going to bakewell this weekend with the family :D
[10:25] <brobostigon> i should try glamping,
[10:25] <MooDoo> lol
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Having said that, I *might* camp at the West Dean Chilli fiesta this year, but just one night and a little one-man tent jobby.
[10:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nice
[10:27] <SuperMatt> http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/nine-traits-of-the-veteran-network-admin-222513
[10:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: handing having rents with a van sometimes ;)
[10:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed, if the mother-in-law wasn't in hospital we would of gone off to Shropshire this weekend
[10:29] <MooDoo> :(
[10:30] <brobostigon> would most agree, that the when the charge light on a camera is red, it is charging?
[10:31] <MooDoo> brobostigon: flashing? or just on
[10:31] <brobostigon> MooDoo: just on,
[10:31] <popey> I would read the manual to find out
[10:32] <brobostigon> i cant find the manual.
[10:32] <MooDoo> +1, what camera brobostigon ?
[10:32] <davmor2> popey: pffff call yourself a man the manual went in the trash with the box ;)
[10:32] <popey> I meant - get a pdf
[10:33] <davmor2> popey: at least you are sounding like a geek now :D
[10:33] <brobostigon> MooDoo: it is one of my dads cheap digital cameras, it says, traveler dv-500, on the caseing.
[10:33] <davmor2> brobostigon: get the pdf from the manufacturers website
[10:33] <brobostigon> davmor2: good point, yes.
[10:34] <MooDoo> pah ah video camera
[10:35] <brobostigon> yes.
[10:35] <MooDoo> the don't have a historical page, try this one.
[10:35] <MooDoo> http://www.traveler-service.de/cms/index.php?id=downloads-traveler-dv550hd-uk0
[10:36] <brobostigon> MooDoo: thank you, i just foundthat same page myself also.
[10:36] <davmor2> brobostigon: did you hear the disdain from MooDoo for it not being a stills camera then :D
[10:36] <brobostigon> davmor2: it can take pictures also, it is both.
[10:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: a blinking light confirms charding a stable light is when it's completed.
[10:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: "You must use the supplied AC charger or USB cable.camera must be turned OFF; a blinking
[10:37] <MooDoo> light confirms charging, but the light is steady when charging has been completed."
[10:38] <brobostigon> stable of any colour ?
[10:38] <MooDoo> brobostigon: that's from the 550 manual, i know nothing more :p
[10:38] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i am looking in the 5000 manual right now.
[10:39] <MooDoo> thought you said it was a 500?
[10:39] <MooDoo> did I miss a 0?
[10:39] <MooDoo>  lol
[10:39] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i think we both did abit, i think i did correct myself.
[10:40] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm blind :F
[10:40] <MooDoo> :F
[10:40] <MooDoo> arrrgh can't type either.
[10:40] <brobostigon> ohwell, thats both of us then.
[10:40] <brobostigon> :(
[10:41] <brobostigon> wow, the manual says it has motion detection, amazing.
[10:48] <SuperMatt> I wonder, has anyone had much trouble with dejadup? I'm thinking of using it to back up some of my stuff, but I do kinda worry about it only keeping "updates"
[10:50] <popey> eh?
[10:50] <popey> it's just like rsnapshot / time machine / rdiff-backup
[10:52] <SuperMatt> yeah, but I mean... I worry about losing the first file, which means the backup is broken completely
[10:53] <popey> you could worry about losing any file in any backup
[10:53] <MooDoo> if you're worried about that, why not just use rsync to another drive/server?
[10:54] <SuperMatt> I guess
[10:54] <SuperMatt> I guess  I get a little too paranoid
[10:55] <MooDoo> me too why is why i rsync to a server and then rsync the server to a nas lol
[10:56] <SuperMatt> I might just give dejadup a bash
[10:56] <davmor2> SuperMatt: Keep 1 manual backup (have a look at the server guide for a good script) and then keep a regular dejadup backup,  If you aren't happy with what you get from dejadup you can always rebase from the manual
[10:58] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: just get davmor2 to set it up for you, he's nice like that ;)
[10:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: no! and me and nice in the same sentence don't make me set czajkowski on you
[10:59] <SuperMatt> Oh I know what I'm doing with rsync, et all
[10:59] <SuperMatt> you should see some of the scripts I've made in the past
[10:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: she's not interested in me, she might however stab you completely :D
[10:59] <SuperMatt> but I'm just thinking of a low thrills, minimum interaction alternative
[11:00] <davmor2> SuperMatt: the thing with dejadup is it is convenient
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: script + cron then you don't have to worry about running anything manually :D
[11:01] <SuperMatt> these days I look more for confenience than awesomeness
[11:01] <MooDoo> or what the heck, be a rebel and don't make backups...;)
[11:02] <SuperMatt> nooooooo
[11:02] <SuperMatt> no no no no no
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: My point was if you wanted to try dejadup and weren't sure you could run a test, but have a manual backup initially, so that if dejadup couldn't restore etc you had an alternate backup that could
[11:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: okey cokey :D
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: and play with code on production
[11:03] <SuperMatt> I'm talking about backs for home, btw
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: playing with code on production is right though?  I thought that's what you should be doing, i've been advising people to do that ;)
[11:04] <SuperMatt> my work backup solution is a set of python scripts which scans a folder for the last version of a backup, and then does a hard linked backup of the latest data. When that's done, it then removes the oldest backup, all based on variables configured in json files
[11:04] <MooDoo> I just use cp -Rv ;)
[11:05] <MooDoo> i meant Ru
[11:05] <SuperMatt> that's not bad
[11:06] <SuperMatt> but the hard linked method is pretty cool, because you get snapshots of each sync and you can restore directly to that version
[11:06] <SuperMatt> copying across only one file, or all of them
[11:07] <popey> i just run rsnapshot on a server and it pulls from all my machines every 6 hours
[11:07] <penguin42> SuperMatt: Depending on the data have you considered pushing it into a git repo?
[11:08] <popey> neuro: that lazy delete thing isn't working out so well..
[11:08] <SuperMatt> it's all my music and phots
[11:08] <popey> neuro: 6 of them sat there
[11:08] <neuro> how slow/full is the storage you're using? :(
[11:08] <popey> should probably half the number of backups I am doing to give the deletes a chance to happen
[11:08] <SuperMatt> standard hdds, not full at all ;)
[11:08] <SuperMatt> I've just added 4TB
[11:08] <SuperMatt> to my previous 6TB
[11:09] <neuro> not you, ya tube :)
[11:09] <popey> 12x2TB 7200rpm jobbies
[11:09] <popey> btrfs volume, not too full
[11:09] <popey> but it's a microserver so IO is a little starved
[11:09] <SuperMatt> oh
[11:09] <popey> think I'll suspend the job for a bit, wait for it to settle then restart it with fewer jobs
[11:09] <popey> less frequent
[11:09] <neuro> shame
[11:10] <popey> its not a quick box
[11:10] <neuro> i know
[11:10] <popey> and backing up boxes which have lots of files
[11:10] <popey> 0 */2  * * *    /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
[11:10] <neuro> tho i do my backups to a microserver
[11:10] <neuro> yeesh, really?
[11:10] <popey> maybe change that to */4 ?
[11:11] <neuro> neuro@saratoga:~$ sudo grep hourly /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot
[11:11] <neuro> 0 */4	* * *		root	/usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
[11:11] <popey> hah
[11:11] <popey> done!
[11:11] <popey> will suspend them for the day and let the deletes happen though
[11:11] <neuro> unless you're desperate for the data to be updated that often, every 4 hours works for me
[11:11] <popey> yeah
[11:12] <neuro> my hourlies are done in about 75 minutes
[11:12] <neuro> + 20 for the delete
[11:12] <neuro> and that's backing up to 2x1TB USB2 in a raid1 md config
[11:14] <neuro> argh, i've run out of cold cherry 7up in my wee office fridge
[11:14] <SuperMatt> :(
[11:15] <MooDoo> neuro: beoff with you to the shops
[11:15] <SuperMatt> lemon fanta is my drink of choice
[11:15] <neuro> nah, i still have 8 cans left
[11:15] <neuro> just not cold
[11:20] <davmor2> neuro: you wee in an office fridge is that not unhygienic?
[11:20] <neuro> tsk
[11:21] <neuro> i have a wee, as in small, fridge
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: he's scottish you know that :d
[11:21] <davmor2> neuro: I know that, it's just fun :D
[11:21] <neuro> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13137/Photo%2019-07-2013%2012%2019%2036.jpg
[11:22] <neuro> wow, that came out blurrier than i thought it would
[11:22] <SuperMatt> wait stop!
[11:22] <SuperMatt> why did that jpg load SIDEWAYS?
[11:22] <SuperMatt> oh wait, I know
[11:22] <neuro> because i had my phone held up in landscape mode"
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: because of its exif!
[11:22] <SuperMatt> the exif data has rotated it
[11:22] <neuro> :)
[11:22] <SuperMatt> TECHNOLOGY!
[11:22] <SuperMatt> it'll never catch on
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> neuro: aww, cute fridge :)
[11:23] <neuro> yeah, i likes it
[11:23] <neuro> holds 6 330ml cans
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> holds just enough beer for an afternoon of work ;)
[11:23] <neuro> or 2 330ml cans and a 500ml bottle of irn bru shoved in diagonally
[11:23] <SuperMatt> your mistake was not putting new cans back in when you drank the old cans
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: You're a genius!
[11:23] <neuro> yes, thank you captain obvious :)
[11:24] <MooDoo> blast from the past :D - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgbeezer/2689182642/in/photostream/
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> lugradians
[11:25] <neuro> the fridge in less cramped, more beery days: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/293997137/
[11:26] <neuro> that old crappy switch is off to the right of the first pic now, replaced by an hp procurve. TECHNOLOGY!
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: man that is but the best photo is this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/8038433@N06/2701522887/
[11:28] <neuro> christ, i never realised how hairy mrben is/was
[11:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: you git
[11:28] <davmor2> neuro: we didn't call him Chewie for the fun of it
[11:29] <neuro> i can beat that pic tho
[11:29] <neuro> probably nsfw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/2682684128/in/set-72157606256950381
[11:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: revenge is sweet ;) http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/799483638_b8983eddbd.jpg?v=0
[11:29] <neuro> AAAAAAAAH!
[11:29] <neuro> forgot about that
[11:30] <MooDoo> hehe
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> neuro: time for some brain bleach
[11:30] <bigcalm> Gah. I'm really struggling with how network routing works
[11:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: that was Chris Debona's first image walking into LRL for sponsorship to take it to the states :)
[11:30] <MooDoo> lol ha ha hah a
[11:31] <MooDoo> wasn't to bad an image then
[11:31] <MooDoo> i'm waiting for gong a thong uukpc edition, popey style ;)
[11:31] <neuro> NOOO
[11:31] <MooDoo> EXTREAME GONG A THONG :D
[11:31] <neuro> oh the humanity
[11:32] <Dave2> RMS should do it
[11:32] <neuro> *gag*
[11:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: Why? It's numbers, cables, and boxes :)
[11:32] <neuro> Dave2: thanks, nearly brought my breakfast back up there
[11:33] <Dave2> yw
[11:33] <bigcalm> I have a VPN set up from a Rackspace firewall to an ADSL router. I'm trying to route traffic from a box connected to the ADSL router to a server connected to the Rackspace firewall
[11:33] <bigcalm> And I can't work out how
[11:34] <davmor2> Dave2: Could you stay where you are the men in white coats are on their way, and they'll only have to dart you if you move
[11:34] <neuro> i'll move YOUR dart
[11:35] <MooDoo> get Jono to do it instead....he wouldn't mind ;)
[11:35] <bigcalm> # ip route add ip_address_of_server/32 via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0
[11:35] <bigcalm> RTNETLINK answers: No such process
[11:35] <bigcalm> <IP_ADDRESS> being the ip address that the VPN has assigned to the ADSL router for the VPN connection
[11:36] <neuro> grrr, time to lart chrome ... "GPU Process 1.3GB"
[11:36] <neuro> bigcalm: does your machine have an IP on the same subnet?
[11:37] <neuro> why not just route via the LAN-facing IP, and let the router's routing table sort it out?
[11:37] <bigcalm> neuro: no, it has an ip address of <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:37] <neuro> ip route add ip_addr_server/32 via <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 or whatever
[11:37] <bigcalm> Right, tried that, it's stalling when I run mtr ip_address_of_server
[11:37] <neuro> which perhaps means the router is misconfigured
[11:38] <bigcalm> :|
[11:38] <neuro> think about it
[11:38] <bigcalm> Do I need to add a route do the box if the default route is via the router any way?
[11:38] <neuro> if you use the VPN-side IP of the router in a route, how does the machine get to that VPN-side IP?
[11:39] <bigcalm> I'm happy for the router to do the routing :)
[11:39] <neuro> can you ping the VPN IP on the router from rackspace?
[11:39] <neuro> or vice versa?
[11:41] <bigcalm> I've removed the route I added to the local box. Running mtr on the rackspace ip address shows packets being sent/received in the VPN's management screen
[11:41] <bigcalm> So that's working
[11:42] <neuro> what happens if you try to hit the rackspace VPN IP from the box?
[11:43] <bigcalm> The IP seems to be the same as its public ip
[11:43] <bigcalm> The only other rackspace IP I see is that of the firewall
[11:44] <neuro> don't you have a 192.168.5 IP on the other end?
[11:46] <mungbean> why do they put those pull-tabs on the corner of bacon packets? nbody has ever successfully opened a packet with one
[11:46] <neuro> lies
[11:47]  * popey wonders if mungbean is trying out his new stand up comedy routine on us
[11:47] <mungbean> lol.
[11:47] <mungbean> just tried it for the millionth time. one day...
[11:48] <mungbean> friday = bacon day
[11:48] <mungbean> at home doing daddy duty today while wifey has a day off
[11:48] <mungbean> going tough after < 5hr sleep
[11:49] <MooDoo> 5 hours is about the norm for me lol
[11:49] <mungbean> have a lol at an email MS sent me about the surface
[11:49] <mungbean> http://pastebin.com/GaBedKiz
[11:50] <mungbean> Why is Microsoft making such an aggressive Surface RT offer to education now?
[11:50] <mungbean> A. Microsoft has a long tradition of offering special pricing to education customers. Microsoft’s mission in education is to help schools, students and educators realise their full potential.
[11:50] <mungbean> not a firesale of 6M device then
[11:50] <popey> yeah, touchpad all over again
[11:50] <popey> but nobody wants them
[11:50] <neuro> does it say "LOLZ WE SUCK BARGAINS MUCH CHEAPNESS HAHA NO DO NOT BUY IPAD ZOMG BAD BY SURFAZZZZ LOOK CHEEP NOT MANY UKPS DDOOOOOOOO IIIIIITTTT!"
[11:50] <popey> if they were 100 quid, they'd fly off the shelves
[11:51] <neuro> s/touchpad/playbook/
[11:51] <mungbean> £133+VAT
[11:51] <mungbean> i might tile my bathroom with them
[11:51] <neuro> i see what you did there
[11:52] <popey> I think I'll pass on your generous offer
[11:52] <popey> I vowed not to buy any more phones/tablets till an ubuntu one appears
[11:53] <mungbean> i wouldn't buy one for any money
[11:53] <mungbean> or maybe a £20 limit if it runs kindle app
[11:54] <mungbean> the trouble with doing wife swap for a day is that you are doing a job that you haven't learned the timing and efficiencies, hence wifey says HA! told you
[11:54] <neuro> err, ok?
[11:55] <popey> my wife is at the park with the kids
[11:55] <popey> having a picnic (booboo)
[11:55] <mungbean> i'm not saying its easy, far from it. but it makes it look worse when i'[m always running late
[11:59] <neuro> right, updates application time, brb
[12:02] <mungbean> just realised i've hardly opened a single letter addressed to me since the start of 2013
[12:02] <mungbean> i just put it in my inpile
[12:09] <mungbean> dota2 looks meh
[12:10] <neuro> woo security updates ftw
[12:11] <neuro> well, security update, singular
[12:59] <MooDoo> silly question, anyone read this? - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubuntu-Certified-Professional-Study-Guide/dp/0071591109/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1374238752&sr=8-4&keywords=ubuntu+certification
[13:04] <neuro> yes, i can read that
[13:04] <neuro> it's in English, right?
[13:05] <neuro> seriously though, it's almost 5 years old
[13:05] <neuro> no way is it up-to-date for either ubuntu or LPIC
[13:07] <shauno> I don't believe that certification exists anymore.  that's how out-of-date 2008 is
[13:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: http://i.imgur.com/IiO5aBa.png
[13:42] <SuperMatt> pfft
[13:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: O' be..have, groovy baby
[13:42] <MooDoo> :)
[14:40] <arc__> anyway when i upgraded to 12.04 i lost all of my packages and they where compatible with 12.04.1 so i am confused
[14:43] <popey> arc__: lost packages?
[14:44] <arc__> yeah it had an error when installing/upgrading saying that can't restore all packages
[15:02] <MooDoo> wow it does go quiet in here on a friday afternoon :D
[15:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: they are all parttimers so they can go drinking in the sun on a friday
[15:04] <MooDoo> lol
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow! Australia 97-7 lol
[15:08] <popey> speak for yourself davmor2 ☻
[15:08]  * popey is dogfooding
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: Some of us are still working
[15:08] <davmor2> popey: Oh so you are at the pub ircing on your phone then right ;)
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> But the beer is definitely starting to call loudly
[15:09] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I'll be working till 21:00
[15:09] <popey> davmor2: haha! kinda!
[15:10] <popey> I am setting up ssh keys etc on phone so it's ready for travel next week
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'll be drinking way beyond that!
[15:10] <davmor2> popey: when do you head off?
[15:10] <popey> sunday
[15:11] <davmor2> popey: and when you see Jono, "Dave says 'Owamya LOSER"
[15:12] <popey> i dont think i could do your accent justice
[15:12] <MooDoo> popey: just screw up your face and say it, you'll be about right ;)
[15:13] <davmor2> popey: in all seriousness, tell jono all the best for marks talk that he is doing, I hope he does it justice :)
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 104-8!
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Australia are collapsing
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> (muffled gafaw)
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> W00t! 104-9
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Need 58 runs to avoid the follow on. ROTFLOL
[15:30] <bigcalm> I can see clouds. Woohoo!
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Finally, a place to store your data/backups ;)
[15:43] <bigcalm> :P
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! Australia all out
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> "Computerphile" about the Unix revolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rPPqm44xLs
[16:00] <popey> thanks MartijnVdS
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: beautiful history :)
[16:04] <popey> might download these and put on phone for watching on the flight
[16:19] <popey> haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcR7ylW-Gok
[16:19] <popey> i know him!
[16:20] <popey> he brought his cabinet to lugradio
[16:23] <bigcalm> Oh I miss Defender
[16:25] <popey> i remember playing R-Type Leo on that very cabinet at LRL
[16:26] <directhex> i still want a neo geo, but i don't have money or space
[16:26] <directhex> hell, i lack the space for an xbox one or ps4, which are higher priority if we're honest
[16:45] <mungbean> can anyone recommend a good strimmer?
[16:52] <popey> i like mine
[16:53] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/diy-tools/dp/B00518BPHS one of them i think
[16:55] <davmor2> mungbean: depends do you actually want to own one or is it a one off strim?
[16:58] <davmor2> mungbean: if it's a one off strim look up a local hireshop
[16:58] <mungbean> own a cheap but ok one
[16:59] <mungbean> are the v cheap ones worse than useless?
[16:59] <davmor2> mungbean: in that case the decent cheap ones are all around a £100
[16:59] <mungbean> :(
[17:00] <mungbean> more than my lawnmower
[17:01] <davmor2> mungbean: well you can buy a cheap electric one but your emphasis seem to be on decent :P
[17:01] <mungbean> might borrow my mums..
[17:02] <mungbean> i sort of meant, if i spend 30 quid on an electric one , is it a comple waste?
[17:03] <popey> i have no recent experience of electric ones
[17:03] <popey> we bought that one 10 years ago, still going strong
[17:04] <davmor2> mungbean: the petrol ones tend to be better.
[17:05] <mungbean> my garden is pretty small
[17:05] <mungbean> might borrow my mums and go from there
[17:06] <popey> mine is small too
[17:06] <popey> takes no time at all to mow
[17:06] <davmor2> mungbean: borrow your moms this time, and hire a petrol one next time and see which is less of a faff it will help you decide :)
[17:07] <mungbean> astroturf :
[17:07] <mungbean> :D
[17:07] <davmor2> concrete
[17:08] <popey> heh
[17:08] <davmor2> mungbean: move into a block of flats and you too can have a balcony like mine :D
[18:10] <arc__> hi i have a question when i upgraded i lost all of my packages
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> arc__: how did you upgrade?
[18:10] <arc__> via live usb
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> so you did a re-install, not an upgrade
[18:11] <arc__> no it had a upgarde button
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> And upgrade is done from a running Ubuntu system
[18:11] <arc__> yes
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> not from the live USB/CD
[18:12] <arc__> i had 11.10 and i used a live usb to upgrade to 12.04.1
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> you shouldn't have used the live-usb, you should just have clicked "Upgrade" in the security update tool
[18:13] <arc__> if this help it said in the upgrade unable to restore packages
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> using the live USB just re-installs the operating system cleanly
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: any idea?
[18:13] <popey> uh
[18:13] <popey> so you say "live usb" you booted from that live usb stick?
[18:13] <arc__> yeah
[18:14] <popey> did it finish okay?
[18:15] <arc__> yeah 1 error
[18:16] <arc__> could not restore packages
[18:16] <popey> right, so it failed
[18:16] <popey> unfortunate
[18:17] <popey> so what it does is this.. scan your system for packages it doesn't recognise, and then find all the files and re-package them up..
[18:17] <popey> then delete all the files (except home and etc) and do a clean install
[18:17] <popey> then takes those packages it made and puts them back on top
[18:17] <popey> thats the bit that failed
[18:17] <arc__> yes
[18:17] <popey> now I don't know if those packages are still lurking around somewhere on your filesystem, I don't fully know how that works
[18:18] <popey> sorry, I suspect your packages are gone.
[18:18] <popey> I'd be interested to know the solution though if they are still around, i've never done that kind of upgrade
[18:19] <arc__> shall i ask in #ubuntu
[18:19] <arc__> usa
[18:19] <popey> ok
[18:19] <popey> maybe post a question to askubuntu.com with the above detail about how you did the install, I'd be interested in following it
[18:20] <arc__> i will ask in #ubuntu and if no help i will use askubuntu
[18:27] <arc__> I am adding it to ask ubuntu now
[18:27] <arc__> i have put this Hello I did an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 and all my packages have gone it only showed 1 error that the upgrade was unable to restore packages I am new to ubuntu so any help is good
[18:28] <arc__> anything else to add or to delete before putting it on
[18:58] <arc__> i have put it on there http://askubuntu.com/questions/321990/packages-gone-in-upgrade
[18:58] <arc__> have a look and answer plz
[19:18] <puttepop> Hello, any developers here?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: developers of what?
[19:22] <puttepop> java with gnome bindings
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> probably better off asking on their channel specifically
[19:22] <puttepop> tried but it seems to be dead
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: it's on irc.gimp.org, #java-gnome, according to the googles
[19:23] <puttepop> yes I know :)
[19:23]  * penguin42 has never heard of anyone doing java+gnome
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> the mailinglist is a bit active
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> not much, but a little
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> doesn't Swing have a GTK+ theme?
[19:23] <puttepop> Oh, OK I'll subscribe to that then
[19:24] <puttepop> Yes, it does, but I wanted to learn GTK+ and java is my favourite language
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: try vala, it's written "for" GTK work, and has quite a few Java-ish bits ;)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> and it's actively used by lots of stuff, like Shotwell
[19:25] <arc__> does anynoe know of any good desktop enviroments
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> arc__: I rather like the default one in Ubuntu (unity)
[19:25] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, what is vala?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: https://wiki.gnome.org/Vala
[19:26] <arc__> i need a fast and light one for my laptop not lxde or xcfe
[19:26] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, thanks
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> arc__: why not those two?
[19:26] <arc__> i want it to look good and light weight
[19:27] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, Thanks for the pointer but I'm not interested in learning yet another programming language
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: it's not that much different from other modern languages
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: and you should always be learning more languages -- every language you learn has some concept you'll want to re-use in another (and that will make you better as a programmer ;)
[19:28] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, If I only had the time
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: but you do: it's the weekend!
[19:29] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, I also like to be a bit social :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: well the vala community is active
[19:30] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, OK thanks anyway
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: np, and good luck finding gnome-java help :)
[19:44] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, Cheers :)
[19:53] <HoT|2fC^> hey up :)
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> \o HoT|2fC^
[19:53] <HoT|2fC^> Just ordered my first ever rack mount server :D
[19:53] <HoT|2fC^> I cant wait :)
[19:53] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: What type of spec?
[19:54] <HoT|2fC^> penguin42, its a Dual 2.4GHz Xeon, 3GB, 36.4GB HArd Drive, DVD ROM, with case all for £50
[19:55] <HoT|2fC^> currently downloading 13.04 ubuntu server for it :) doesnt come untill monday :)
[19:55] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: OK, cool - you'd be pushed to get the case and PSU for that; is that single socket dual core, or dual socket how many cores?
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> its 8 cores I think
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> x2 dual core
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> xeon
[19:56] <penguin42> well #50 for somewhere between 4 and 8 cores ain't too bad - I mean I assume that's a P4 era xeon, but still
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> It comes with 2 hotplug psu's case, all of them
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> P4 yeah
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> by HP
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> \o/
[19:57] <penguin42> what's it going to be called?
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> Lucy
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> :-)
[19:58] <penguin42> good good
[19:58] <HoT|2fC^> get spare hard drive caddy to :p
[19:59] <penguin42> yeh that's good they can be pricey - what type drives - wide scsi?
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> HP ProLiant DL380 it is..
[19:59] <penguin42> which gen?
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> G3 mate
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> is it good ? :o
[20:01] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Nod, might want to watch out for drives for it, SCA SCSI drives are a bit scarce/pricey these days
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> :O
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> comes with one so im ok :)
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> 36gb is enuff for now
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> most data thats going to be going on a hard drive will be my CCTV box recording on a 1TB hard drive an thats going to a switch along wi th the server.
[20:02] <penguin42> now, you going to get a Lak rack for it?
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> Well not sure its going in the basement could I put it on top of a computer desk for time being ?
[20:03] <penguin42> oh yeh
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> I would like a rack for it but im cheap so lol
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> its nice a cool down there so should be fine on temps like in this heat we have  :p
[20:03] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Oh no, the Lak is an Ikea table that just happens to be exactly the right width for rack kit :-)
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> ah nice
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> so its cheaper :p
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> I was looking at this
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/server-rack-6U-/200935795183?pt=UK_Computing_Rackmount_Cabinets_Frames&hash=item2ec8b4e9ef
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> to small or big?? for my 2U G3?
[20:04] <penguin42> http://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack
[20:04] <HoT|2fC^> you dutch ? :p
[20:04] <penguin42> no
[20:04] <HoT|2fC^> oh just said .nl at end of domain lol, ah nice thats a good idea
[20:05] <HoT|2fC^> I have a desk down there but the width isnt the same so wouldnt work unless sI boxed it off
[20:05] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Watch out for the depth of racks if you're buying one, also did it come with rack mounts?
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> penguin42 I dont think so :/
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> Dimensions (W x D x H): 8.59 x 44.45 x 65.41 cm
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> Weight: Minimum configuration: 20.41 kg ; Maximum configuration: 27.22 kg
[20:07] <penguin42> oh a light one :-)
[20:07] <HoT|2fC^> :-)
[20:09] <shauno> that depth doesn't seem to match up.  the ebay link said 310mm deep, those dims are 445mm deep
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> shauno yeah need a different size its something I would want for it :)
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> the type of cabbie
[20:10] <shauno> I tend to stick to 2-post for short setups.  those short racks tend to be for comms cabinets
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:11]  * penguin42 never figured out why they never managed to standardise depth of rack kit
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they had to have *something* to disagree over
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> I dont mind ill put it on the floor and sit on it whilest configuring it lol so really dont mind :)
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-cable-mess-server-room.jpg
[20:12] <penguin42> well yeh, but it's really hard to get n vendors kit to fit in the same rack
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> Glad I dont have to mess around in there lol
[20:12] <penguin42> where n is greater than 0
[20:14] <HoT|2fC^> so penguin42 will the table trick work then :) I might buy one in black an use that along with a 24port switch
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: the IKEA one? Probably
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack
[20:14] <HoT|2fC^> so what about the back? how would it support it
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: how would you do that in a real rack?
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> you wouldnt :)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> the same, then
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> but I mean like how does it hold in the wood lol
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> remember there metal racks not wood :)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: see that wiki page
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> Ikea to ouch wouldnt that to crumble
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: I think proper wood screws hold better than the flimsy metal I've seen in racks
[20:17] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok :)
[20:18] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: In a real rack you'd typically have rack rails that bolt front and back for a server
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> and have an adjustable back part, so you could put that on the back legs of the table 8-)
[20:19] <HoT|2fC^> cool :D
[20:19] <penguin42> yeh although tend to be adjustable by slightly less than needed for the rack you're trying to put it in
[20:20] <HoT|2fC^> for now its going on my desk raised on something
[20:20] <HoT|2fC^> to let it breath underneight
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: to quote one "J. Clarkson": "How hard can it be?"
[20:20] <penguin42> sigh
[20:20] <shauno> one thing to watch with the rack lack .. the legs aren't solid all the way down
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> whos legs arent shauno
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> :p
[20:21] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I've used racks with adjustable back rails, and ones that have the back rails split into 4 independently adjustable rails split every 10u or so
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> only body builders :D
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> right moff to cool off next to fan :) bb all thanks for all advice!
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> great help.
[20:58] <SuperMatt> hmmm, replacing my fonts with source sans make everything look quite fresh, and beautiful