[00:01] <aakshay_> cjohnston: sorry but the event_list.html n enet_histor.... are also different
[00:01] <aakshay_> :(
[00:02] <aakshay_> *event_history
[00:02] <cjohnston> {% include "events/team_event_list.inc.html" %}
[00:03] <aakshay_> yes i was also talking about ths file :) but the columns in output(on web page) are different
[00:03] <aakshay_> :(
[00:04] <aakshay_> there is no "teams" column
[00:04] <mhall119> cjohnston: is there a difference in meaning between white and gray top-nav?
[00:05] <cjohnston> grey is a bug
[00:05] <mhall119> ok
[00:05] <mhall119> good, cause I didn't like it
[00:05] <cjohnston> aakshay_: in team_event_list_inc.html there is event name, start, end, global event, teams
[00:05] <cjohnston> mhall119: ive emailed Ale to try to talk to her tomorrow ref the mothership
[00:06] <cjohnston> see if we can get global changes that help us
[00:06] <mhall119> good idea
[00:06] <cjohnston> maybe ill wake up for that :-(
[00:07] <aakshay_> oh yes "team" is there... but the "GlobalEvent" column is not displayed.. instead "TeamEvent" is displayed.. :(
[00:07] <cjohnston> aakshay_: where
[00:07] <aakshay_> on the web page
[00:07] <cjohnston> what page aakshay_
[00:07] <cjohnston> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574732/
[00:07] <aakshay_> "http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8000/events/"
[00:07] <cjohnston> do you see the same problem i do
[00:08] <aakshay_> me?
[00:08] <cjohnston> on that page, if you go to "Ubuntu LoCo Team Events" theres event name start end global event teams
[00:08] <cjohnston> no.. that was for mhall119 ... ^ was for you
[00:08] <aakshay_> :)
[00:10] <cjohnston> mhall119: looks to me like there is a double </h2>
[00:14] <aakshay__> cjohnston: sorry.. net problem..  okiez i get it but m not able to locate the "Ubuntu loco Events"
[00:14] <cjohnston> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[00:15] <cjohnston> mhall119: nm... its right
[00:16] <aakshay__> cjohnston: yes but there is teh same problem
[00:16] <aakshay__> there is no column named "globalevents"
[00:16] <cjohnston> mhall119: you ok with me pushing https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/loco-directory/staff/+merge/50402
[00:16] <mhall119> cjohnston: well, it works, I wouldn't call it "right" :(
[00:16] <mhall119> it's certainly not nice or clear
[00:16] <aakshay__> if i m nt rong :p
[00:17] <cjohnston> aakshay__: your looking at the global events... under global_event_list_header
[00:17] <mhall119> cjohnston: yeah, I'm good with that
[00:17] <mhall119> we
[00:17] <cjohnston> look in team_event_list under team_event_list.inc.html
[00:17] <mhall119> we'll just have to be careful that we're aware of why we see what we see
[00:17] <aakshay__> cjohnston: err!!! sorry
[00:17] <cjohnston> yup
[00:18] <aakshay__> i dint scrolled
[00:18] <aakshay__> :p
[00:18] <aakshay__> thanks :)
[00:20] <aakshay__> cjohnston: done!!!... m goin to "bzr add" and then commit and push
[00:20] <aakshay__> :)
[00:20] <cjohnston> you dont need to do bzr add unless there is a new file
[00:21] <aakshay__> cjohnston: okiez.. so i will not because there is no new file
[00:23] <cjohnston> correct
[00:23] <cjohnston> mhall119: I'm going to wait on the top-nav merge until after my conversation with Ale
[00:24] <cjohnston> The other three by Ronnie I'd like you to look at please
[00:29] <cjohnston> mhall119: we need a day to go through and talk about bugs
[01:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: Ronnie change this to just 'Event Venues' ?
[01:19] <cjohnston> #: templates/venues/venue_list.html:4 templates/venues/venue_list.html:13
[01:19] <cjohnston> 2053
[01:19] <cjohnston> msgid "Ubuntu LoCo Event Venues"
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[11:53] <cjohnston> mornin
[11:59] <nigelb> o/
[12:29] <YoBoY> hi
[12:29] <YoBoY> morning cjohnston
[12:29] <cjohnston> o/
[12:33] <mhall119> cjohnston: let me see what my day at work looks like, maybe we can do a walkthrough today
[12:34] <mhall119> unless there's an interesting UDW session ;)
[12:34] <cjohnston> like loco directory? if so, i wont be there :-P
[12:34] <YoBoY> usability question : when I have a 3 days event but with different schedules for each days, it's better to register one event or 3 separate events ?
[12:35] <cjohnston> What do you mean different schedules, like day one is 9-5 day 2 is 12-2?
[12:35] <YoBoY> yes
[12:35] <cjohnston> I'd guess three days.
[12:36] <YoBoY> in my case it's day 1 9am-6pm, day 2 9am-8pm, day3 9am-6pm
[12:36] <cjohnston> I'd say three different days... Label them like <event name> - Day 1
[12:36] <cjohnston> type thing
[12:38] <YoBoY> ok
[12:48] <mhall119> cjohnston: :P
[12:48] <cjohnston> what
[12:49] <mhall119> Or you can make one 3-day long event, 9am-6pm, and just note that the second day runs til 8pm in the description
[12:49] <mhall119> cjohnston: the comment about not being there
[12:49] <cjohnston> mhall119: bug 728406
[12:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728406 in loco-directory "Loco user and Launchpad user are different (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728406
[12:50] <cjohnston> more complaints
[12:50] <mhall119> rename problem, let me see what needs to be done to get that merged into django-openid-auth
[12:51] <cjohnston> :-)
[12:52] <mhall119> https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/django-openid-auth/fixes-642132/+merge/38335
[12:52] <cjohnston> mhall119: I have a meeting tuesday with Ale
[12:53] <cjohnston> No laptop later this morining
[12:53] <cjohnston> I may cry
[12:54] <mhall119> lol
[12:54] <mhall119> irc withdrawl?
[12:54] <cjohnston> lol
[12:54] <cjohnston> I had that yesterday
[12:54] <mhall119> is that why you missed our session? detoxing?
[12:55] <cjohnston> sure
[12:56] <cjohnston> Ronnie: ping
[12:56] <cjohnston> I killed him
[12:56] <cjohnston> :-(
[12:57] <cjohnston> Don't know if you saw it.. Ronnie ping
[12:58] <mhall119> I saw it
[12:58] <cjohnston> hush
[12:59] <cjohnston> You just work on getting the openid fix
[12:59] <cjohnston> fixed
[12:59] <Ronnie> pong cjohnston
[12:59] <cjohnston> I kicked back your translation merge again
[12:59] <cjohnston> :-x
[13:00] <Ronnie> oh, i hope i have some time in the afternoon
[13:00] <cjohnston> should be really easy
[13:00] <cjohnston> Do you want me to just fix it?
[13:08] <daker> haha http:/isubuntu11.04releasedyet.com :D
[15:18] <nigelb> daker: http://canweshipyet.com/
[15:18] <nigelb> this one is for firefox ;)
[15:18] <daker> ah :)
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 4 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[16:29] <daker> http://www.saveie6.com <- LoL
[16:30] <daker> Look http://www.saveie6.com/why.php
[16:32] <daker> i can't stop laughing => http://www.saveie6.com/compare.php
[16:33] <daker> You have been mislead by a vocal minority and are using chrome, which is clearly an inferior web browser to IE6. Please switch to IE6 and sign our petition.
[16:42] <nigelb> hahaha
[16:42] <nigelb> I have to show that to my colleagues tomorrow
[16:48] <YoBoY> it's an old web site ^^
[17:01] <daker> :)
[17:40] <daker> this one is the best :) "Django 1.3 is called WordPress and WordPress 3.1 is called Django"
[19:29] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: Hi mna
[19:29] <Ronnie> Hi TrickyJ
[19:29] <TrickyJ> Man*
[19:29] <TrickyJ> Buddy I need your help
[19:30] <TrickyJ> I got MIRC Installed on my system now I wann add this UBUNTU Server to connect to this channel
[19:30] <TrickyJ> how can i do that
[19:30] <Ronnie> if it is about loco-directory ash ere, else ask rpiv
[19:30] <Ronnie> and in not familiar with mirc
[19:32] <TrickyJ> Ronnie: then what are you using right now ?
[19:32] <YoBoY> (i don't understand what he wants to do :] ... add freenode in the list of the favorites servers to autojoin here ?)
[19:32] <Ronnie> im using pidgin
[19:33] <Ronnie> TrickyJ: there is a new loco-directory developer, (s)he is also from India. ==> aakshay____
[19:33] <TrickyJ> Oh i see.
[19:33] <TrickyJ> Oh ok
[19:33] <aakshay____> Ronnie: m here only.. :P
[19:33] <aakshay____> hi TrickyJ
[19:34] <TrickyJ> aakshay____: hi..
[19:34] <TrickyJ> Buddy i need help
[19:34] <YoBoY> great more developers to work on my bugs :D
[19:34] <aakshay____> TrickyJ: is it for me?
[19:35] <aakshay____> YoBoY:  :)
[19:35] <TrickyJ> I have downloaded the MIRC on my system now when i go to MIRC Options there under connection- Server under that we have various servers like Dalnet etc, I wann join this UBUNTU-locoteams from there how can i do that
[19:35] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: you are on FREENODE
[19:35] <Ronnie> TrickyJ: why not using IRSSI (terminal) or Pidgin (Graphical)
[19:35] <YoBoY> connect to the freenode servers with mIRC
[19:35] <TrickyJ> YoBoY:  what is freenode ??
[19:35] <TrickyJ> Is that a server ?
[19:35] <YoBoY> and join #ubuntu-locoteams
[19:36] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: yes it should be on the known server list
[19:36] <TrickyJ> Hmmm I've installed UBUNTU but unable to connect my GPRS connection from there Its UBUNTU 10.10 64 bit
[19:36] <TrickyJ> YoBoY:  Let me check..
[19:37] <TrickyJ> YoBoY: I Found FREENODE Connecting...
[19:37] <YoBoY> ;)
[19:37] <TrickyJ> Connected..
[19:37] <TrickyJ> now  I can join #ubuntu-locoteams there right ?
[19:37] <YoBoY> yes
[19:37] <YoBoY> you see :) easy
[19:38] <TrickyJ-J> Are we here :P
[19:38] <TrickyJ-J> yeeeeeeeeee
[19:38] <YoBoY> bookmark this chan on your mIRC (don't remember how to do that)
[19:38] <TrickyJ-J> I am in thanks YoBoY
[19:38] <TrickyJ-J> hahahah
[19:38] <TrickyJ-J> Yaaaap
[19:38] <TrickyJ-J> :)
[19:39] <TrickyJ-J> Cool
[19:40] <TrickyJ> bB\\\
[19:40] <TrickyJ> sorrry
[19:40] <TrickyJ> this is difficult to use :P hahah new laptop flexy keyboard keyes :P
[19:41] <TrickyJ> YoBoY I need one more help buddy
[19:42] <TrickyJ> YoBoY I've installed UBUNTU lates version 64 bit now I am logged in as a user in there now I wann log in using the user name as root and the password for that how can i enable the root user ?
[19:45] <Ronnie> TrickyJ: why do you want to enable root user
[19:45] <Ronnie> and you probably can ask this question better in #ubuntu channel, this channel is reserved for loco-team questions and loco-directory developement discussions
[19:45] <TrickyJ> Hmmm coz when i go to the root folder and I want to change the grub menu Coz i got dual operating system and by default its windows 7 I wann change that to ubuntu when i try to open that boot file it says log in using root user
[19:45] <TrickyJ> Ok
[19:46] <TrickyJ> I'm sorry buddy
[19:46] <TrickyJ> Thats the good IDEA :P
[19:49] <YoBoY> TrickyJ: "sudo" is your friend to make all the administrative actions, and if you want a root session "sudo -i" and you are in
[19:49] <YoBoY> no need to have a root user
[19:51] <TrickyJ> YoBoY Cool. thanks i will try using this..
[20:05] <TrickyJ> Ronnie byee buddy thakns for the help :) catch u all tomorrow :)
[21:09] <cjohnston> Ronnie: you around
[21:10] <Ronnie> cjohnston: half, ask your question, then ill see if i have time to answer
[21:11] <cjohnston> just seeing if you were gonna be around to do some LD work
[21:12] <TrickyJ> aakshay____: hey buddy guess what
[21:13] <aakshay____> TrickyJ: what!!!!!??
[21:13] <TrickyJ> aakshay____: few mins back i went off to sleep then i got up switchd on ma laptop and changed the sim from ma cell to my pda and now I am connected to internet on UBUNTU
[21:13] <TrickyJ> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:13] <TrickyJ> YoBoY: Hey its working :P
[21:13] <aakshay____> TrickyJ: congo.... :)
[21:13] <YoBoY> I can see that, great :)
[21:14] <TrickyJ> YoBoY: thanks aakshay____ Thanks :P
[21:14] <aakshay____> :P
[21:14] <YoBoY> now go to sleep :D
[21:14] <TrickyJ> Now i am downloading all these messangers and cool desktop effects on this machine :P
[21:15] <TrickyJ> aakshay____: but soon ma bro will take back the pda and i will have no internet conection on UBUNTU :P
[21:15] <aakshay____> TrickyJ: hehe.. have fun for less time then.. :D
[21:16] <TrickyJ> lol.. yaa buddy :P i will download all needed stuffs on this till then :P
[21:25] <cjohnston> mhall119: did bug 719482 get pushed live?
[21:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 719482 in loco-directory "Merged/renamed team remains in directory (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719482
[21:26] <cjohnston> YoBoY: are you still not able to edit your team?
[21:27] <YoBoY> cjohnston: yes, I can't edit
[21:28] <Ronnie> cjohnston: do you have a 10.04 install, because i cant reproduce that bug on 10.10
[21:29] <cjohnston> Ronnie: which bug
[21:29] <Ronnie> YoBoY: team-edit bug
[21:29] <cjohnston> only thing i have 10.04 on is my server
[21:30] <Ronnie> if you can test the lpupdate command there...
[21:30] <YoBoY> I just tested on a fresh local copy and I can't also edit my team after log in
[21:31] <YoBoY> and I'm on 10.10 with normal packages of the 10.10 repositories
[21:32] <cjohnston> YoBoY: we may need to get you to add one of us to the admin team for a while
[21:32] <YoBoY> now ?
[21:33] <cjohnston> not right now..
[21:33] <YoBoY> I'm not admin of the admin team (this should be changed ¬_¬) but if you want just ping me :)
[21:33] <cjohnston> ok
[21:35] <mhall119> YoBoY: what's the username showing at the bottom of the screen?
[21:36] <YoBoY> Logged in as: yoboy-leguesh
[21:40] <cjohnston> YoBoY: is hauts around?
[21:41] <YoBoY> nop
[21:42] <YoBoY> it's a bit late to call him now to come ^^
[21:44] <cjohnston> YoBoY: is anyone around that could add me to the admin team
[21:45] <YoBoY> only the owner can :] I tried with didrocks (he's the other admin on that team)
[21:45] <YoBoY> ho but to addd you he can yes :D
[21:45] <YoBoY> your LP ID ?
[21:45] <YoBoY> he's online now ^^
[21:45] <cjohnston> chrisjohnston
[21:49] <daker> YoBoY, bug 715750 de quel nouveau site il parle ?
[21:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 715750 in ubuntu-fr-static (and 1 other project) "Lien interne peu visible sur le nouveau thème (affects: 6) (heat: 23)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/715750
[21:50] <YoBoY> daker: mauvais salon :D
[21:50] <daker> oui je sais ツ
[21:50] <YoBoY> c'est par rapport au nouveau "theme" pas site
[21:50] <YoBoY> la doc pour être exact
[21:51] <daker> ok
[21:51] <YoBoY> cjohnston: done, you can test now
[21:51] <cjohnston> ty
[21:51] <YoBoY> thanks didrocks :D
[21:58] <YoBoY> mhall119: the db you gave yesterday the admin login/pass is the one I defined when i configured my copy of LD or it's something else ?
[22:01] <YoBoY> ho strange on my local copy I have Logged in as: yoboy-leguesh2 << why I have a 2 here ?
[22:02] <bala> hi
[22:02] <daker> YoBoY, yes the first one is the one you have created when doing the ./manage.py syncdb
[22:02] <daker> the second one is created when you login with your lp account
[22:03] <YoBoY> strange... I haven't used the same nickname... better to restart from the beginning
[22:04] <daker> no it's not strang
[22:04] <daker> e
[22:05] <daker> YoBoY, tuto: how to reset the admin passe :
[22:05] <daker> 1 -  ./manage.py shell
[22:05] <daker> this will open an python shell
[22:05] <daker> then type :
[22:05] <daker> from django.contrib.auth.models import User
[22:06] <daker> users = User.objects.all()
[22:06] <daker> users[0].set_password('yourpasseword');
[22:06] <daker> users[0].save()
[22:06] <cjohnston> Ronnie: have you gotten to do any code with the team details page?
[22:07] <YoBoY> thanks daker i'll try it
[22:13] <cjohnston> Ronnie: Your code about admin teams... How is it supposed to work? Is it supposed to show the members of the team as admins?
[22:54] <kinouchou> hello
[22:54] <cjohnston> kinouchou: just wanted to confirm that you don't have "Edit Team Details" on http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-fr
[22:55] <kinouchou> no i don't edit this page
[22:55] <cjohnston> ok.. thanks
[22:57] <kinouchou> cjohnston: you'r in the french-locoteam?
[22:58] <kinouchou> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr-asso
[23:00] <cjohnston> trying to fix the problem kinouchou
[23:00] <kinouchou> ok
[23:00] <cjohnston> Now that I'm an admin, I should have the admin access
[23:00] <cjohnston> so I can debug
[23:00] <cjohnston> without being supposed to have the access I can't debug
[23:01] <Ronnie> cjohnston: you can debug locally if you add youself in the debug_users in local_Settings.p
[23:02] <cjohnston> Ronnie: if you add yourself though, then you will get the access
[23:02] <cjohnston> the problem is that the team members arent getting the access
[23:02] <cjohnston> so i need to be a part of the team
[23:02] <Ronnie> cjohnston: django admin ?
[23:04] <cjohnston> Ronnie: I think it's your script for the admin team thing..
[23:04] <cjohnston> so i need to be a part of the LP team for it to download
[23:05] <cjohnston> I am getting an error on lpupdate Ronnie
[23:05] <Ronnie> great, what error?
[23:05] <Ronnie> i never got any
[23:05] <cjohnston> http://paste.ubuntu.com/575221/
[23:06] <cjohnston> this is running the current trunk
[23:06] <cjohnston> I have them manually running an lpupdate on the prod server
[23:06] <Ronnie> sounds like an openid error
[23:14] <cjohnston> Ronnie: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/714718 requires an ./manage.py lpupdate correct?
[23:14] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 714718 in loco-directory "lpupdate.py should check if the team_owner is a person (not a team) (affects: 1) (heat: 5)" [High,Fix released]
[23:17] <Ronnie> cjohnston: yes
[23:18] <cjohnston> Ronnie: mhall119  bug 728766
[23:18] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 728766 in loco-directory "Crash when running lpupdate (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728766
[23:18] <locodir-user> hi
[23:18] <cjohnston> I got a feeling this is part of the problem
[23:18] <cjohnston> hellpo
[23:18] <cjohnston> hello
[23:18] <locodir-user> anyone know how to instll ubuntu 10.10
[23:18] <cjohnston> locodir-user: try joining #ubuntu
[23:18] <locodir-user> please
[23:19] <locodir-user> anyone know how to instll ubuntu 10.10
[23:19] <cjohnston> this is why it would be nice to have access :-(
[23:19] <cjohnston> uggh
[23:23] <cjohnston> Ronnie: i dont know where to start with the bug
[23:24] <Ronnie> cjohnston: admin = create_profile(admin_name)  ==> /loco_directory/teams/management/commands/lpupdate.py", line 37, in update_admins
[23:25] <Ronnie> somehow it wants to create a new admin profile, but the openid user linked to the admin is already existing, so recreating it givens an duplicate error
[23:26] <cjohnston> so it should somehow be checking to see if there is a profile already
[23:26] <Ronnie> i dont know exactly where it is going wrong, but t think you should add a check, if the person already exists, and then change the status to admin
[23:27] <cjohnston> I dunno how to do that
[23:27] <Ronnie> atm i have no time to think about it
[23:28] <Ronnie> but you should mark the bug as critical i think, because the script wont finish and therefore not update other data
[23:28] <cjohnston> ok


[15:02] <reve99> congratz
[15:03] <thelinuxer> reve99: thanks :)
[15:05] <reve99> so any special preparation for the event
[15:05] <reve99> or u will just attend the event like any one else
[15:06] <thelinuxer> we are actually working on some rough edges
[15:06] <thelinuxer> we will have a booth isA if everything goes well
[15:06] <thelinuxer> and you will be able to meet us their :)
[15:07] <reve99> available if you needed any help
[15:07] <reve99> u know who am i exactly right ?!
[15:07] <reve99> I'm Mohamed El Feky
[15:07] <thelinuxer> reve99: oh didn't know until u told me :D
[15:08] <thelinuxer> can you please send an email to anas telling him you want to help ?
[15:08] <thelinuxer> cause he's the project owner
[15:08] <reve99> no prob ....will talk to him
[15:08] <thelinuxer> reve99: cool
[15:10] <reve99> lol
[17:02] <ashams> uys, can you please mention in the topic of this channel that it's logged.
[17:03] <ashams> Freenode requires that users should know that their activity can be logged
Public channel logging should only
[17:04] <ashams> * - take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this
[17:04] <ashams> * - and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are
[17:04] <ashams> * - publically logging your channel, you may wish to keep a
[17:04] <ashams> * - notice in topic and perhaps as a on-join message).</quote>
[17:04] <ashams> thelinuxer, EgyParadox ^ :)
[17:05] <thelinuxer> ashams: of course EgyParadox please add this to the topic of the channel
[17:05] <ashams> thelinuxer, Thank you, I appreciate it :-)
[17:05] <thelinuxer> ashams: sure ya man :)
[17:07] <thelinuxer> ashams: i having trouble with the saas-class homework
[17:07] <thelinuxer> i don't know when am i going to prepare for the freaking session :D
[17:07] <ashams> EgyParadox, Thanks :D
[17:07] <thelinuxer> EgyParadox: thanks man
[17:07] <ashams> thelinuxer, saas class ezzay ay3ni ? :)
[17:08] <thelinuxer> u know about the berkly saas class ?
[17:08] <thelinuxer> someone shared this a couple of month ago
[17:08] <ashams> no
[17:08] <thelinuxer> i joined this webclass
[17:08] <thelinuxer> and we have homework
[17:08] <thelinuxer> and i am actually stuck :D
[17:08] <ashams> hahahaha
[17:08] <thelinuxer> on very basic stuff if u ask me
[17:08] <thelinuxer> shakly kebert :D
[17:08] <ashams> I was about to say it :D
[17:08] <thelinuxer> lool
[17:09] <ashams> so, how can I help dude :)
[17:09] <thelinuxer> i don't think u can help me
[17:09] <thelinuxer> unless u decide to give the session ;)
[17:09] <ashams> session of packaging?
[17:09] <ashams> no way
[17:09] <thelinuxer> yep
[17:10] <thelinuxer> lool
[17:10] <ashams> NO WAY
[17:10] <thelinuxer> thought so
[17:10] <ashams> :P
[17:10] <ashams> I can't, I don't know it
[17:10] <thelinuxer> i am not that good actually ..
[17:10] <ashams> I was relying on you to learn :)
[17:10] <ashams> not a big problem just start engines :)
[17:12] <ashams> thelinuxer, Enta hatgeeb wara delwa2ty ? Ay 7aga ya man, keda walla keda I will kill you As2ela :)
[17:12] <thelinuxer> !
[17:12] <thelinuxer> mashy we will see
[17:12] <ashams> cool
[17:13] <thelinuxer> prepare ur questions so i can actually do my research and answer them
[17:13] <ashams> ok, good point
[17:13] <ashams> give me 24 hrs
[17:13] <thelinuxer> deneela 3alaya !
[17:13] <EgyParadox> Thanks for joining reve99
[17:14] <thelinuxer> i had the correct answer 30 mins ago!
[17:14] <thelinuxer> i was chasing wild geese!
[17:14] <ashams> thelinuxer, what are doing right know, cuz I can imagine some nad things
[17:14] <ashams> bad*
[17:15] <thelinuxer> imagine bad things ezay ?
[17:15] <thelinuxer> i am doing my homework, didn't have any for so long el sara7a :D
[17:15] <ashams> thelinuxer, ha2ollak ba3dain :P
[17:15] <thelinuxer> mashy
[17:30] <reve99> sorry guys i was kind of busy working ...eating
[17:48] <ashams> thelinuxer, I have to move the wiki.u.com/EgyptTeam/ArabNet section to wiki.u.com/Arabnet, it is making problems with Palestine team, it shows up Egypt Team/ on the fb links!!!
[17:49] <thelinuxer> don't!
[17:49] <thelinuxer> that's like saying Arabnet is a partnet with ubuntu
[17:49] <bahaa2008> how are you guys
[17:49] <thelinuxer> there is no problem that the url shows EgyptTeam
[17:49] <thelinuxer> and u can copy the page their if u want
[17:49] <thelinuxer> hi bahaa2008
[17:49] <ashams> bahaa2008, Hi o/
[17:49] <thelinuxer> how r u ?
[17:50] <bahaa2008> fine
[17:50] <ashams> thelinuxer, I an't make him understand to change the link title on fb we khalas
[17:50] <bahaa2008> still alive
[17:50] <ashams> bahaa2008, lucky you :)
[17:51] <thelinuxer> ashams:  i don't understand what u mean ..
[17:51] <ashams> one sec
[17:52] <thelinuxer> ok
[17:53] <bahaa2008> moved my main system to debian :)
[17:54] <thelinuxer> bahaa2008: that's actually pretty good :)
[17:54] <thelinuxer> developing kaman ?
[17:54] <ashams> bahaa2008, Congrats :-D
[17:55] <bahaa2008> debian unstable :)
[17:55] <bahaa2008> it doesn't defer too much
[17:56] <bahaa2008> mostly the same
[17:58] <ashams> bahaa2008, just some package upgrades and bug fixes :)
[17:59] <bahaa2008> but it's more traditional
[17:59] <bahaa2008> keep the gnu/linux traditions :)
[17:59] <bahaa2008> and that's what i'm looking for
[17:59] <bahaa2008> ubuntu trying to be the new Apple
[18:00] <bahaa2008> and that's what I hate
[18:00] <ashams> it trays hard to reach the average user
[18:00] <ashams> and if it's apple's way, then no problem
[18:00] <bahaa2008> I didn't leave windows to get back to another closed system "some how"
[18:01] <bahaa2008> I don't like anyone to lead me in his own way
[18:01] <bahaa2008> I want to take my way
[18:01] <ashams> Mac gives a really good user experience
[18:01] <ashams> what you mean?
[18:01] <bahaa2008> why to change to this unity thing
[18:02] <bahaa2008> i like classic way
[18:02] <bahaa2008> i'm not comfortable with this change in UI
[18:02] <ashams> yeahm it's the hardest age in Ubuntu's life
[18:02] <ashams> no kidding
[18:03] <bahaa2008> I'm not too old linux user
[18:03] <bahaa2008> but i like Gnome way
[18:03] <ashams> gnome 3 or 2 :)
[18:03] <bahaa2008> 2
[18:04] <bahaa2008> I'm classic :)
[18:04] <bahaa2008> I don't even like gnome shell
[18:05] <reve99> sorry for intruption
[18:05] <ashams> well, there's a global belief that user needs have changed and thus should the ui do
[18:05] <ashams> reve99, soot
[18:05] <ashams> shoot*
[18:05] <reve99> i like gnome 3
[18:05] <reve99> and i like unity
[18:05] <reve99> and u don't like them
[18:06] <reve99> because u got used to doing every thing by hand
[18:06] <reve99> and customizing every thing
[18:06] <reve99> u don't like getting someone to do it for u
[18:06] <bahaa2008> that's why i moved to linux
[18:06] <reve99> i think it's all about usability
[18:06] <bahaa2008> to have my own system
[18:06] <reve99> and linux big issue is about getting new users
[18:07] <reve99> and getting new users means not making them learn how to do all the work
[18:07] <bahaa2008> usability vs features
[18:07] <ashams> bahaa2008, not necessarily!
[18:07] <reve99> yep
[18:08] <reve99> features was always  back there in linux
[18:08] <reve99> but u always needed who tells u how to use them
[18:08] <reve99> and for some how u do not need them all
[18:08] <reve99> but usability is about making the user find those features easily
[18:09] <reve99> and make best use of them
[18:09] <bahaa2008> i mean features that are accessible
[18:09] <bahaa2008> not hidden one
[18:09] <bahaa2008> it's not about linux
[18:10] <bahaa2008> blender, 3d max as examples
[18:10] <reve99> ok let me get u another example
[18:10] <reve99> u use twitter or facebook !?
[18:11] <bahaa2008> of course
[18:11] <bahaa2008> to keep a good representation of both it's not easy thing
[18:11] <bahaa2008> and you had to learn people how to use it
[18:11] <bahaa2008> and get to the hidden features
[18:12] <bahaa2008> not hidden
[18:12] <bahaa2008> you had to gave groups
[18:12] <bahaa2008> and so on
[18:12] <bahaa2008> tabs
[18:13] <reve99> ok what do u think about the new twitter style
[18:13] <reve99> u think it's  strange right
[18:13] <reve99> and the older one
[18:13] <reve99> was strange too
[18:14] <reve99> people don't know what they really want
[18:14] <reve99> u should force them to use something
[18:14] <reve99> then they get used to it
[18:14] <bahaa2008> i don't like the right thing
[18:14] <reve99> hhhhhhh we all don't
[18:15] <reve99> not me
[18:15] <reve99> but it's all about the change
[18:15] <reve99> human nature doesn't like to change
[18:15] <reve99> but change sometime gets better
[18:15] <bahaa2008> may be
[18:15] <bahaa2008> you meat it's about get used to something
[18:15] <bahaa2008> may be
[18:16] <bahaa2008> mean**
[18:17] <reve99> we can make it meat
[18:18] <reve99> i'm kind of hungery and still at work