[01:09] <graelb> Hi there, I just burned a DVD on my winbox, and when i pop it into my 'buntu machine, it throws me an error saying..."Invalid mount option when tying to mount the volume 'UDF Volume'
[01:32] <dorianxlii> Does anyone happen to know how to disable the screensaver permanently?
[01:33] <dorianxlii> In Gutsy...
[01:36] <j1mc> dorianxlii: yes.
[01:37] <j1mc> dorianxlii: go to Applications > Settings > Screensaver Settings >
[01:37] <j1mc> and then uncheck the box that says, "activate screensaver when computer is idle"
[02:52] <mdwith> hello
[02:52] <mdwith> is there a way to install xubuntu w/ the traditional text install?
[02:53] <mdwith> 7.10 release i might add
[03:02] <aanderse> you could do a command line install
[03:03] <mdwith> yes, how might i go about doing that?
[03:03] <aanderse> download the alternate install cd
[03:03] <aanderse> not the desktop one
[03:03] <mdwith> dope!
[03:03] <mdwith> i can't do it from the live cd?
[03:03] <aanderse> so you are looking for something like ubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso (depending on your arch)
[03:04] <aanderse> well i think the live cd can only install a full desktop system ...
[03:04] <mdwith> yeah, thats what i want, i just don't want to install it in the dektop environment
[03:05] <aanderse> but xfce, not gnome, right?
[03:05] <mdwith> yes
[03:05] <aanderse> so do they make a xubuntu alternate installer is the question
[03:06] <aanderse> oh ... nm it looks like thye do
[03:06] <aanderse> :)
[03:06] <aanderse> you're in luck
[03:06] <aanderse> http://www.xubuntu.org/get#gutsy
[03:06] <aanderse> so click on a mirror
[03:06] <aanderse> and make sure you download the alternate installer
[03:06] <aanderse> not the desktop
[03:07] <aanderse> then you're one your way
[03:08] <mdwith> thanks man, this will save me ages
[03:10] <mdwith> it's got everything the desktop has right?
[03:42] <zengen> Does anything else besides installing the gstreamer plugins need to be done to play mp3's with rhythmbox?  It found the files after I installed, but I get no sound when I play them with the codecs I used for ubuntu.
[04:06] <SeveredCross> Anyone here use Xubuntu on an older iMac?
[04:08] <SeveredCross> Seeing some odd errors when yaboot starts up (something like /pci@80000000/mac-io@10/ide@20000/disk@0:3,/boot/vmlinux: Input/Output error
[04:08] <SeveredCross> Then, when I hit Return again, it just says "Please wait, loading kernel..."
[04:08] <SeveredCross> Is it expected for it to take that long?
[04:09] <mdwith> are you new to linux?
[04:09] <SeveredCross> Nope
[04:10] <SeveredCross> Though I'm not familiar with OpenFirmware paths and such--new to PPC Linux.
[04:10] <mdwith> well i can't help you
[04:11] <mdwith> maybe a disk defect?
[04:11] <SeveredCross> It's a brand-new IDE disk.
[04:12] <SeveredCross> Just arrived today, installed today, Xubuntu installed half an hour ago.
[04:15] <SeveredCross> So, nobody has anything for me?
[04:16] <mdwith> srry dude, just installed my first disros today : 0
[05:43] <Frem> Hey, I've got a strange problem. My mouse cursor obeys the theme I set for it when it's hovering over the desktop or in Firefox, and inside the main text area in Pidgin, but everywhere else (over the taskbar, window border, most controls, etc) it turns into the default X11 cursor. Does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this?
[05:45] <gpocentek> Frem: it's a known bug AFAIK
[05:45] <gpocentek> no idea what causes it
[05:48] <Frem> gpocentek: Ah, ok. Thank you.
[06:29] <_dillinger> good morning. anyone on line?
[07:40] <dagoberto> hi
[07:41] <dagoberto> i am searching application for radio in xfce4
[07:41] <dagoberto> in kde it's amarok and xfcw4 what is?
[08:12] <_dillinger> hi, anyone here?
[08:12] <_dillinger> good morning
[08:19] <_dillinger> any ideas on my printer problem?
[08:19] <_dillinger> I keep getting blank pages
[08:19] <_dillinger> even pdf:s when printed are blank
[08:20] <_dillinger> this came after upgrading to Gutsy
[08:20] <_dillinger> I disabled apparmour, didin't help
[08:22] <warbler> _dillinger: I'll have a quick check of the forums
[08:24] <warbler> is it epson?
[08:25] <_dillinger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes
[08:25] <_dillinger> no, samsung
[08:26] <_dillinger> looking at that, it would seem that apparmour is the culprit, but disabling it does nothing
[08:28] <_dillinger> I can't seem to find anything else on the forum similar to my problem, though I guess I could be missing an obvious keyword to try
[08:28] <_dillinger> the printer "prints" fine... just blank pages...
[08:28] <_dillinger> and if I print a PDF, it's blank too
[08:29] <_dillinger> and this started with my upgrade to gutsy
[08:30] <warbler> did you explore this part - Users must be in the printing administration group, "lpadmin", to be able to configure printer settings
[08:30] <_dillinger> umm, no
[08:31] <warbler> a few lines further down
[08:32] <_dillinger> ok, no, I'm already a member
[08:32] <_dillinger> The user `vanu' is already a member of `lpadmin'.
[08:32] <_dillinger> just to be clear
[08:33] <warbler> try reading this, it might help - http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/printing_ubuntu
[08:35] <_dillinger> nope, no help there
[08:35] <_dillinger> I had no problem configuring printer, drivers, everything... infact with feisty, the printer worked perfectly
[08:35] <_dillinger> one I upgraded, first it wouldn't print at all, I re-installed the drivers and now it prints only blank pages
[08:36] <_dillinger> the printer fires up and spits out blank pages... and yes, I tried switching cartridges as well, but it prints PDF:s blank too... it's can't be out of pixels too :)
[08:39] <_dillinger> and the most annoying thing about my problem is, it seems to stump everyone :D
[08:41] <totalwormface> fascinating
[08:43] <_dillinger> I'm sure it's something really simple
[08:50] <warbler> updates can loose drivers - have you reinstalled the driver?
[08:54] <_dillinger> yes
[08:54] <_dillinger> and it's infact a driver that came with ubuntu and it worked fine before
[08:55] <warbler> then I'm thinking config issue - did you change fonts or did the upgrade?
[08:58] <rzimek78> hi, I have a problem. I've installed Xubuntu 7.10 and now there's no application bar. Why is it?
[09:05] <_dillinger> fonts... hmm
[09:05] <_dillinger> no, I don't know
[09:05] <_dillinger> yeah, maybe a font issue?
[09:05] <_dillinger> where do I adjust that?
[09:07] <totalwormface> rzimek78: you see a panel somewhere? right click it and add goodies :]
[09:15] <warbler> _dillinger: looking
[09:17] <warbler> under preferences - fonts - you might have to go to control center to get it on the menu
no, there's no visible panel :(
[09:23] <totalwormface> rzimek78: then type alt f2 xfce4-panel
[09:23] <rzimek78> ok
[09:27] <_dillinger> warbler, umm, sorry, was working :).... preferences under what setting?
[09:27] <_dillinger> or under what program?
[09:27] <warbler> fontsw
[09:27] <warbler> fonts
[09:28] <warbler> there is a menu entry called fonts
[09:28] <_dillinger> oh, okay, I understand...
[09:29] <_dillinger> I forget, where do you adjust the menu options? control center is.. uhh?
[09:29] <_dillinger> main menu?
[09:30] <warbler> control center - main menu
[09:30] <warbler> preferences
[09:30] <warbler> fonts
[09:35] <_dillinger> hmm, i don't know, I must be missing something, because it's not listing fonts here... and I don't even have preferences under the applications menu, even tough according to the main menu settings, it should be showing up
[09:36] <_dillinger> what I mean to say is, I'm obviously a noob here :p
[09:36] <_dillinger> sorry for being a PITA
[09:41] <warbler> _dillinger: can you open control center?
[09:42] <_dillinger> under what menu is it located?
[09:43] <_dillinger> what I mean is, I can't see one anywhere under applications
[09:43] <warbler> yeh well - in mine it's under preferences - I'll try and find a command for it
[09:43] <_dillinger> an option called control center
[09:44] <_dillinger> ok, I don't have a menu option called preferences either??
[09:45] <_dillinger> I have settings and system and a bunch of options under those obviously
[09:47] <_dillinger> ok, apparently it's not normal for those to show up.. how do I get them to show?
[09:50] <_dillinger> or maybe it's normal for them to show, but since I installed xubuntu on top of ubuntu they are missing, this according to some googling
[09:51] <warbler> _dillinger: in terminal type      gnome-control-center
[09:59] <_dillinger> cool
[10:00] <rzimek78> how easilyy browse my local network
[10:01] <rzimek78> ?
[10:01] <rzimek78> in Xubuntu?
[10:01] <warbler> !samba
[10:01] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:01] <_dillinger> unfortunately, no "fonts" option
[10:01] <warbler> it is under main menu - preferences
[10:02] <rzimek78> but I need samba browser - pyneighbourhood is not easy
[10:02] <warbler> !nfs
[10:02] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[10:03] <rzimek78> but in my local network there are XP systems too
[10:04] <_dillinger> GNOME font viewer under "other"?
[10:04] <_dillinger> there is no fonts option under preferences
[10:38] <warbler> _dillinger: what ubuntu do you use?
[10:38] <warbler> I'm feisty
[10:51] <warbler> _dillinger: sorry - doing too many things - your on gutsy - from what I've read that option should still be there
[10:54] <Pixilarion> anybody knows a way to ignore the joins/parts in XChat by default?
[11:04] <_dillinger> warbler, sorry, had to do some work again... yes, on gutsy and xubunut of course...
[11:05] <_dillinger> like I said, fonts menu option is missing, so that could have something to do with my problem
[11:05] <warbler> look in synaptic - search term fonts
[11:06] <_dillinger> ok
[11:12] <Pixilarion> found it: /set irc_conf_mode 1
[11:12] <Pixilarion> ignores the joins and parts :)
[11:15] <_dillinger> I dunno, what am I looking for
[11:16] <_dillinger> font config is already isntalled
[11:24] <warbler> _dillinger: I'll look at my installed fonts to see
[11:24] <_dillinger> thx
[11:27] <warbler> anything under libgnomeprint?
[11:30] <warbler> and ttf-(something)   and xfonts
[11:30] <D4vid> Can someone here help me how i install a Linksys network pcmia card?
[11:31] <warbler> is it wireless?
[11:31] <warbler> !wireless
[11:31] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:32] <D4vid> but i can't get it to work
[11:32] <D4vid> ive been trying everything
[11:33] <warbler> D4vid: you will need the windows driver and the ubuntu prog called ndiswrapper
[11:34] <D4vid> i tried that
[11:34] <D4vid> every page gives a different soultion :/
[11:34] <_dillinger> lignomeprintui2.2-dev is NOT installed, should I install it?
[11:34] <warbler> D4vid: you should add the prog to startup or start it at every boot
[11:35] <_dillinger> libgnomeprintui2.2-0 and -common ARE isntalled
[11:35] <D4vid> warbler ok to do that?
[11:35] <D4vid> how*
[11:35] <warbler> anything with -dev is for programmers
[11:36] <warbler> libgnomeprint-data?
[11:37] <D4vid> warbler, how do i add it to startup?
[11:37] <warbler> D4vid: I;ll check
[11:37] <_dillinger> no, -data is not installed
[11:38] <_dillinger> The GNOME Print architecture - data files
[11:38] <_dillinger> This is a prototype implementation of the Gnome Printing
[11:38] <_dillinger> Architecture, as described in:
[11:38] <_dillinger> http://www.levien.com/gnome/print-arch.html
[11:38] <_dillinger> This package contains fonts and locale files needed by gnome-print.
[11:38] <_dillinger> so, no I guess not
[11:38] <warbler> D4vid: read this -   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[11:39] <D4vid> i have
[11:39] <warbler> D4vid: right click the http
[11:39] <D4vid> im not a retard
[11:39] <D4vid> ive read the documentation
[11:39] <warbler> _dillinger: data is important
[11:40] <warbler> D4vid: just been helping someone that new nothing - taking nothing for granted
[11:40] <warbler> *knew
[11:41] <warbler> D4vid: to add to startup go to - applications - preferences - sessions - startup and add the command
[11:41] <_dillinger> yeah, D4vid, people here can't know what you know or don't know.. and be polite :)
[11:41] <D4vid> sorry im very tired
[11:42] <D4vid> been fighting with xubuntu all night
[11:42] <_dillinger> I know how you feel
[11:42] <warbler> D4vid: it was a twelve tear old just learning so I'm careful
[11:42] <warbler> *year
[11:43] <warbler> D4vid: there is a better howto in the wikis - I'll find it
[11:44] <D4vid> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[11:44] <D4vid> im trying to get that to work now
[11:45] <warbler> D4vid: try this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5645
[11:45] <warbler> _dillinger: did you download the -data file?
[11:45] <_dillinger> working on it
[11:45] <warbler> k
[11:59] <D4vid> omgi think it's working now
[11:59] <D4vid> IT'S ALIVE!
[12:01] <_dillinger> ok, finally installed, nice blank pages :(
[12:02] <warbler> D4vid: what got it working?
[12:02] <D4vid> warbler, yeah it's connected to my wireless network
[12:02] <D4vid> the only problem now is that im getting 404 in firefox
[12:03] <warbler> _dillinger: did you check synaptic for entries under xfont?
[12:03] <_dillinger> is it fetching an ip adress?
[12:03] <_dillinger> no, I'll try that next
[12:07] <D4vid> warbler, im connected to my network but firefox can find any webpages
[12:09] <warbler> D4vid: in firefox click on  - edit-preferences-advanced-network  as a first check and see how it connects
[12:10] <D4vid> warbler, direct connection to the internet
[12:11] <_dillinger> all xfonts that look important are installed and up-to-date
[12:12] <warbler> D4vid: great - next - users and groups in the menu - check that your user has rights - simple check but updates and driver installs can change these things
[12:13] <warbler> _dillinger: I'm like the others and am at a loss then - have you looked in launchpad for a bug?
[12:15] <warbler> _dillinger: found a samsung printer howto - seen it?
[12:15] <warbler> _dillinger: it's here - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341621
[12:17] <D4vid> warbler, all user privilegies are checked
[12:18] <D4vid> ok it's working now
[12:19] <D4vid> now how do i get it to autoconnect to my network at boot?
[12:19] <_dillinger> thanks, lets see what it says
[12:20] <warbler> D4vid: I didn't see an entry to add to startup in the wiki - try a reboot and see if it is connected?
[12:27] <_dillinger> wow, it works!
[12:27] <_dillinger> not entirely why
[12:27] <_dillinger> I played around with the drivers
[12:27] <_dillinger> apparently some of the suggested drivers are not correct
[12:28] <warbler> _dillinger: that link steered you close/
[12:28] <_dillinger> yes
[12:28] <warbler> *?
[12:28] <_dillinger> thank you very much!
[12:28] <_dillinger> I should buy you a beer :)
[12:29] <warbler> I hope it only gets better then
[13:32] <TDBarnard> quit
[14:02] <TDBarnard> Hi all. Just installed xubuntu (7.10) on an old ibm thinkpad (A20m). It's hooked to a 4-port hub that also has an ubuntu desktop system attached. The A20m fails to access the internet (broadband connection through ethernet port). Right clicking on the upper-right-hand-corner network icon and selecting Connection Info shows Wired Ethernet (eth0), Speed: 10Mb/s, Driver: 3c59x, and Hardware Address 00:00:86:4B:FC:BE, all of which are co
[14:32] <TDBarnard> Anyone have any ideas/suggestions regarding my last post?
[14:34] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: do you get an IP address?
[14:34] <Pixilarion> "ifconfig" will show you that...
[14:34] <TDBarnard> No. Running dhclient manually results in "no dhcpoffers received"
[14:35] <Pixilarion> well, guess something is wrong with your router
[14:35] <Pixilarion> maybe resetting might help?
[14:36] <Pixilarion> but it doens't sound like an ubuntu problem to me
[14:37] <TDBarnard> well, it's not a router - just a dumb hub. my desktop system (running ubuntu) runs fine through it. i tried plugging the a20m into its port (just in case it might be a bad port) but no difference there. What's puzzling is i previously had redhat fedora on it and had no problems. but i like ubuntu better and so loaded it and now am hitting my head against this wall
[14:37] <Pixilarion> ok
[14:38] <Pixilarion> so for some reason it's not getting an IP address...
[14:38] <TDBarnard> exactly
[14:39] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: maybe you can find some information abot what is going wrong in dmesg?
[14:40] <TDBarnard> i can ping the desktop and get a good response, so my thinking is some configuration somewhere is off just enough to prevent the ip acquisition
[14:40] <TDBarnard> good idea, didnt think of checking the log
[14:41] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: you can always check System > Network
[14:42] <Pixilarion> there you can set you interfaces
[14:42] <TDBarnard> ok
[14:42] <Pixilarion> but, maybe a silly question, do you need DHCP with a hub?
[14:47] <TDBarnard> no, have wildblue satellite for broadband connection and ubuntu uses dhclient (i'm guessing) to obtain dynamic ip address assignment
[14:47] <Pixilarion> uhu
[14:48] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: any luck?
[14:49] <TDBarnard> not yet. i'm going to reinstall xubuntu on entire disk. it's on a 2ndary partition right now and perhaps there's a problem with that. even if not it'll remove *one more* potential problem
[14:50] <TDBarnard> i'll post how it turns out
[14:51] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: hmm
[14:51] <Pixilarion> I guess that won't be the problem
[14:52] <Pixilarion> my guess, it is something with the driver for the networkcard
[14:52] <Pixilarion> did the card get configured during installation?
[14:53] <TDBarnard> yes
[14:54] <Pixilarion> strange
[14:54] <TDBarnard> installation assigned the 3c59x (if i recall correctly) driver to it
[14:54] <Pixilarion> did you try sudo ifdown et1 ?
[14:54] <Pixilarion> and dan ifup?
[14:54] <Pixilarion> *and then
[14:55] <Pixilarion> a solution that helped me in the past: make sure that everything is connected and reboot the computer
[14:57] <TDBarnard> no, hadn't tried that. reinstall is in progress now (don't need the crap on the previous partition anyway) so i'll give that a try if there's still a problem (which i'm guessing will likely be the case). oh, i have tried the reboot thing :)
[14:57] <TDBarnard> cycled the hub as well, just for good measure
[14:57] <Pixilarion> adn it can't be the network cable?
[14:58] <Pixilarion> no, because you were able to ping
[14:58] <TDBarnard> nope, swapped the cables between it and the working desktop system.
[14:59] <TDBarnard> reinstall should be done here in a few minutes.. i'll give the ifdown/ifup a try
[14:59] <Pixilarion> wow, how long does that install take?
[15:00] <TDBarnard> it's an a20m thinkpad from around 2001... takes alittle while
[15:00] <Pixilarion> sounds faster than my install
[15:00] <Pixilarion> i'm working on a Dell Optiplex GX1 (1999)
[15:01] <TDBarnard> ah
[15:01] <Pixilarion> install took about 1h15
[15:01] <Pixilarion> maybe a little less
[15:02] <TDBarnard> installing from cd (no internet to upgrade after install). but cd install takes ~20 minutes
[15:02] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: did you look at the ubuntuforums?
[15:02] <TDBarnard> maybe a little less
[15:02] <Pixilarion> they always helped me
[15:03] <TDBarnard> yeah, did that. no posts regarding this particular laptop so i've posted there... usually takes awhile to get a response so i thought i'd give irc a try since i'm able to work on it right now
[15:03] <Pixilarion> sure
[15:03] <Pixilarion> sorry I can't help you more
[15:04] <Pixilarion> i'm not really a linux freak :)
[15:04] <TDBarnard> hey, you've given me a couple ideas i hadn't thought of so thanks!
[15:04] <Pixilarion> yw :)
[15:04] <TDBarnard> lol, i am one...
[15:04] <Pixilarion> to be honest, I'm actually a lawstudent so...
[15:05] <TDBarnard> i mfg fiberglass skins for boeing, airbus, etc.
[15:05] <Pixilarion> :)
[15:06] <TDBarnard> a former linux programmer that got tired of the big city and now just make fiberglass skins and trade ag futures... lol
[15:07] <TDBarnard> moved from sacramento to eastern WA about 9 years ago... back to the subject, reinstall just about done
[15:08] <Pixilarion> well, I'm still studying, will be graduating next summer
[15:08] <TDBarnard> what school?
[15:08] <Pixilarion> Chatolic University of Leuven (Belgium - Europe)
[15:08] <TDBarnard> cool
[15:09] <Pixilarion> well, it's no America :)
[15:09] <TDBarnard> lol
[15:09] <Pixilarion> so Sacramento or Eastern WA(?) sounds cool to me too
[15:10] <Pixilarion> grass is always greener on the other side...
[15:11] <TDBarnard> yeah: sacramento - california to newport - washington; or to put it another way i went from a city of about 1.2 million people to one with 6,000 people. lol
[15:13] <Pixilarion> ok, 6000 sounds nicer
[15:14] <Pixilarion> my hometown is around 90,000
[15:14] <Pixilarion> wouldn't know about Leuven
[15:14] <Pixilarion> guess around 50 or 60,000
[15:14] <TDBarnard> agreed... install says it's cleaning up so will give your ideas a try here in a few minutes
[15:14] <Pixilarion> ok :)
[15:15] <brick_|> how can i uninstall xfmedia without removing xfcegoodies?
[15:18] <brick_|> nevermind. got it..
[15:19] <witozzo> hi! anyone knows how to play rm stream? I've installed real player from the .bin file, but still I cannot play rm stream....
[15:20] <ablomen> witozzo, mplayer should be able to do it
[15:20] <ablomen> atleast afaik
[15:20] <witozzo> ok, I'll try to install mplayer... ;) thanks!
[15:21] <ablomen> np. hope it works :)
[15:21] <witozzo> uh, how can I uninstall real player if I want?
[15:21] <witozzo> can I just delete the real player folder? (I've installed it from the .bin as I said)
[15:25] <TDBarnard> hmmm, system log shows problems with dhcdbd...
[15:27] <Pixilarion> that doesn't sound good
[15:29] <Spozen> whats the command to start xfce panel?
[15:30] <Spozen> xfce4-panel.
[15:32] <TDBarnard> No, it don't. I'm getting the following in the log:
[15:32] <TDBarnard>   dhcdbd: Started up.
[15:32] <TDBarnard>   dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0
[15:32] <TDBarnard>   dhcdbd: Unrequested down ?:3
[15:32] <TDBarnard> I have no idea what this is telling me... do you?
[15:33] <witozzo> even with mplayer installed, firefox doesn't play the rm stream...
[15:33] <ablomen> witozzo, ah no if you want to play it withing ff you have to install the mplayer plugin
[15:33] <ablomen> mozilla-mplayer or something like that
[15:33] <Pixilarion> TDBarnard: sorry not a clue
[15:34] <Spozen> im having this wierd shit after upgrading to gusty if i click the panel it vanish, and if i click an icon the app comes up for about 2 sec then it dies
[15:34] <witozzo> ok thanks!
[15:34] <ablomen> :) it works?
[15:35] <witozzo> I'm installing it right now
[15:36] <witozzo> I'll tell you something in a while
[15:36] <ablomen> ok :)
[15:40] <Pixilarion> witozzo: there is also a vlc plugin, but that worked not as good with my installation as the mplayer plugin for FF
[15:41] <witozzo> still it's not working... I was checking ff preferences and there is now a RealPlayer9 plugin that is supposed to be used to play rm file...
[15:42] <witozzo> and I cannot change it to mplayer plugin
[15:42] <witozzo> at least not from there
[15:43] <witozzo> and in the /mozilla/plugins directory there is no realplayer plugin...
[15:43] <ablomen> witozzo, i think its in /usr/local/share or something like that
[15:43] <witozzo> I'll check
[15:44] <witozzo> nothing there
[15:45] <ablomen> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
[15:46] <witozzo> yes, I was right there before you told me to check /usr/local
[15:46] <ablomen> ah
[15:47] <witozzo> but I found that in the /realPlayer/plugins there are some plugins
[15:47] <witozzo> can I just delete that folder? it's in my own user directory
[15:47] <witozzo> I installed real player without package
[15:48] <ablomen> eew
[15:48] <ablomen> well i dunno
[15:48] <ablomen> never installed it myself
[15:48] <witozzo> ok.. I'll try anyway... I like to risk :D
[15:49] <Pixilarion> witozzo: you can always rename the folder
[15:49] <Pixilarion> or move it out of sight
[15:50] <Pixilarion> might help if you want to revert afterwards ;)
[15:51] <witozzo> ok thanks! ;)
[15:56] <ajrion> heloo , i am as of now a proud owner of a HP 530 and i want to have linux on it, i am a begginer at linux but i think that xubuntu is a good easy distro, stable and not resource demanding.. does anyone have any suggestions or think I might be wrong ? :)
[15:57] <ajrion> i would much apprechiate any comments
[15:58] <TDBarnard> anyone on here running xubuntu on an ibm a20m thinkpad?
[15:59] <TheSheep> ajrion: what processor and how much ram does it have?
[16:00] <TheSheep> ajrion: are you new to Linux only or to the computers in general?
[16:00] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: you might find some information on the ThinkWiki, maybe
[16:01] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: you have a problem with your network card, yes?
[16:01] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: good idea, i'll give that a try
[16:02] <ajrion> TheSheep i am new to linux only
[16:03] <ajrion> TheSheep Intel Core Duo T2050 1.6GHz
[16:03] <ajrion> 512 mb ram
[16:03] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: yes.
[16:03] <TheSheep> ajrion: should run very nicely
[16:04] <TheSheep> ajrion: whatd do you mainly intend to use it for?
[16:04] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: won't sucessfully obtain a dynamic ip address
[16:04] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: does it work when you set a static ip?
[16:04] <ajrion> TheSheep surf mail music burning dvds reading pdf-s and much more i dont know yet :)
[16:05] <TheSheep> ajrion: you might want to install k3b for burning dvds
[16:05] <TheSheep> ajrion: I mean additionally
[16:05] <ajrion> TheSheep though i think i might need winXP on it just in case i get an application that runs only on win and i have to work with it
[16:05] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: don't know. i'd have to contact my isp to find out if they'll assign me one. can i test this without doing that?
[16:05] <TheSheep> ajrion: and all the codecs that are not installed by default for legal reasons
[16:05] <ajrion> TheSheep what about drivers
[16:06] <ajrion> TheSheep i only got manuals CD with my lappy
[16:06] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: you can connect another computer in its place and see what ip it gets, then set it on yours and see if it works
[16:06] <ajrion> TheSheep and i allways had trouble with lin's drivers when trying to install it on my desktop, so sadly i never got a linux runnign properly and retuyrned to win for years
[16:07] <TheSheep> ajrion: linux comes with most of the drivers build in. if you have an nvidia or ati graphics card, you can use the restricted drivers manager to install additional drivers
[16:08] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: good idea. i've got an ubuntu desktop system and the a20m connected via a dumb hub so i'll give that a try. btw, the desktop system works fine. just troubles with the a20m. swapped cables so that's not the problem and i can ping the desktop fine. just connecting to the internet is failing
[16:08] <ajrion> TheSheep "restriced drivers mannager"? never heard of it :) on my lappy there is a Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950... is that gonna work properly, as good as in winXP ?
[16:09] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: do you want both computers to share the same ip?
[16:09] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: if so, you need to configure masquerading on the desktop computer
[16:09] <TheSheep> ajrion: i810 driver should handle it
[16:09] <TheSheep> ajrion: it's build in
[16:10] <ajrion> in xubuntu?
[16:10] <ajrion> TheSheep in xubuntu?
[16:10] <TheSheep> ajrion: yes
[16:10] <ajrion> TheSheep hey how can i tell if my 530 has USB 1 or 2.0 ?
[16:12] <TheSheep> ajrion: run 'dmesg | grep ehci_hcd' in a terminal
[16:13] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: hadn't thought of that. doesn't have to share the same ip though as the satellite isp i'm using isn't restricting the number of machines i connect
[16:13] <ajrion> TheSheep oh i dont have an OS on it yet : ) i ment, how do I look up that info on the net?
[16:15] <TheSheep> ajrion: boot a live cd
[16:16] <ajrion> TheSheep oh yeah :))) sorry,,, im downloading xubuntu 7.10 via bittorent now :)
[16:16] <ajrion> TheSheep i'll doo that
[16:16] <ajrion> TheSheep THANK YOU :) you are verry helpluf
[16:17] <ajrion> helpful*
[16:17] <ajrion> l
[16:18] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: very puzzling why i can ping the desktop system fine but it fails to get an ip assigned to it (dhclient)
[16:18] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: i mean, assigned to it by my isp
[16:20] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: let me get this straight
[16:20] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: you have a desktop computer, and it has an IP assigned to it by your ISP
[16:20] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: correct
[16:20] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: and you connect a second computer trough a hub
[16:20] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: correct
[16:21] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: isp is directv... cable from the goes to hub... hub feeds both desktop and laptop
[16:21] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: desktop is running ubuntu and works fine
[16:22] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: accesses internet no problems
[16:22] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: laptop has xubuntu on it but internet access doesn't work
[16:22] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: and you want this second computer to obtain and use *tha same* ip?
[16:22] <TheSheep> the same?
[16:23] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: no, it can obtain/use a different ip... i can have up to 5 connections, dynamically assigned by directv
[16:23] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: ah, ok, do they assign them by the MAC address?
[16:23] <TDBarnard> oop, make that wildblue... it's just pkged through directv
[16:23] <TDBarnard> TheSheep, yes
[16:24] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: if so, you might need to tell them the MAC of your laptop
[16:25] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: well, prior to installing xubuntu on it i had an older redhat fedora installed and didnt have this problem. i like ubuntu better so decided to load xubuntu on it and didnt expect this to come up
[16:26] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: so, does it work now?
[16:26] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: no, not since installing xubuntu. The Connection Information window shows the following:
[16:27] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: I don't understand that line about 'wildblue'
[16:27] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: "wildblue" is the actual satellite-based isp...
[16:27] <TheSheep> ah, ok, nevermind
[16:28] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: can you pastebin the result of running sudo /etc/init.d/netwroking ?
[16:28] <TheSheep> networking
[16:29] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: interface: Wired Ethernet (eth0); Speed: 10 Mb/s; Driver: 3c59x; all other entries from IP Address down through Secondary DNS are <IP_ADDRESS>; Hardware Address: 00:00:86:4B:FC:BD
[16:29] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: sure
[16:29] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: well, i'll type it in as i'm irc-ing on the desktop system
[16:30] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: if you see the desktop, you can just scp them :)
[16:31] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: it doesn't - i've been working at getting internet access on the laptop, haven't begun looking into getting the 2 systems to see each other
[16:32] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: hmmm, that's a bit to be typing
[16:32] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: concentrate on the error messages :)
[16:33] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: ok, i'll run it and let you know what happens
[16:34] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: message logged to /var/log/messages?
[16:35] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: yes
[16:35] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: i ask because running the script simply returns "*Configuring network interfaces...   [OK]"
[16:36] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: you have it set to dynamic?
[16:37] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: if you mean, do i have the "wired connection" setting in Network, it's set to what's call Roaming mode. same as the desktop is set
[16:39] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: can you set it to DHCP
[16:39] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: yes, i can try that. i'll have to uncheck "Enable roaming" to do it
[16:40] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: reboot? or is there a script i can just run to have it retry?
[16:41] <TheSheep> it should just retry by itself when you press ok
[16:41] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: ok
[16:42] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: hmmm, "Connection Information" is no longer available (grayed out) after doing that
[16:42] <TheSheep> that's ok
[16:43] <TheSheep> do you have network?
[16:44] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: nope... tried pinging www.google.com and no response
[16:44] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: try 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart' again
[16:44] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: ok
[16:45] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: here's what i got: (typing it in for ya):
[16:48] <TDBarnard> The Sheep: * Reconfiguring network interfaces...
[16:48] <TDBarnard> Listening on LPF/eth0/00:00:86:4b:fc:bd
[16:48] <TDBarnard> Sending on LPF/eth0/00:00:86:4b:fc:bd
[16:48] <TDBarnard> Sending on Socket/fallback
[16:48] <TDBarnard> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 3
[16:48] <TDBarnard> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 11
[16:48] <TDBarnard> DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 17
[16:48] <TDBarnard> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[16:48] <TDBarnard> No working leases persistent in database - sleeping.
[16:48] <TDBarnard> grep: /etc/resolv.conf: No such file or directory
[16:49] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: this means that your computer didn't receive any replies from the DHCP server
[16:50] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: it might be because the connection is somehow wrong, or because they don't have your MAC in their database
[16:52] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: ok. question is why?... cabling is fine (swapped with the desktop)... well while we've been chatting i went ahead and hooked up an old windows system and configured it. they wouldn't know that one's MAC either and it obtained access without a hitch - so i'm guessing that's not it.
[16:53] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: one thing i've not tried is swapping the hub ports (desktop w/ laptop), perhaps the port's bad... worth a shot anyway
[16:56] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: no difference there either
[16:56] <djark> Hi all
[16:57] <djark> Does anyone have an xubuntu server running mysql as a small enterprise server in vmware
[16:59] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: there is an entry in /var/log/messages stating "kernel: [1425.092000] eth0: setting half-duplex." happened after manually running /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:03] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: that's normal with a hub
[17:03] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: ok. in addition /var/log/syslog shows that after dhclient3 failed avahi-autoip was started and assigned an ip address
[17:06] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: that's why you can ping your desktop :)
[17:06] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: but you really want the ip from the dhcp
[17:06] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: ah, ok.
[17:07] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: I'd suggest you to call your isp and make sure they still have your mac in the database
[17:07] <Schrooms> hello can anny one help me
[17:07] <TheSheep> !ask | Schrooms
[17:07] <ubotu> Schrooms: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:08] <Schrooms> my sound dousnt work
[17:08] <TheSheep> Schrooms: how do you test it?
[17:08] <Schrooms> by playing a mp3 song
[17:08] <TheSheep> !mp3
[17:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:09] <TheSheep> Schrooms: you need to install additional codecs to be able to mplay mp3s
[17:09] <TheSheep> Schrooms: that page has information on how to do that
[17:09] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: well like i posted earlier, while we were chatting i brought up an old windows machine, hooked it to the hub, and gave it a try (it's never been on the network). it connected fine, and i've never given them that nor any other MAC address
[17:09] <Schrooms> it is nogt a codec problem becouse games olso have no sound
[17:09] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: ah, so they give an ip to any mac
[17:10] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: yep
[17:10] <TheSheep> Schrooms: try opening a terminal, running 'alsamixer' ans seeing if the volume is >0
[17:10] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: hmm... maybe you could try with a different dhcp client
[17:11] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: try installing dhcpcd
[17:12] <Schrooms> whel they are all on 61 but still no sound
[17:14] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: you know, since i can ping my desktop system... perhaps it'd be easier to just set this up so that the laptop accesses the internet via the desktop system... now if only i knew how to do that... lol
[17:17] <Schrooms> in alsamixer  they are now all on 61 but still no sound
[17:19] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: that's pretty easy
[17:20] <TheSheep> TDBarnard: google for 'masquerade'
[17:20] <TheSheep> Schrooms: none of the has 'mute'?
[17:20] <TheSheep> Schrooms: you don't have a 'mute' button or volume knob?
[17:21] <TDBarnard> TheSheep: will do, thanks for the help
[17:23] <Schrooms> ehh in alsamixer?
[17:24] <Schrooms> yeah worked
[17:24] <Schrooms> theSheep thank you verry much
[17:24] <Schrooms> i got it working
[17:24] <Schrooms> finnaly some metal from my speakers
[17:25] <Schrooms> bye
[17:40] <RandyboY> Im having a bit of a problem with my display settings... They keep changing without me doing it... Where is the settings saved so i can take a backup and restore when the problem occurs? And how do i reset xfce4 from a remote ssh session?
[17:50] <evil_tech> is there a way to rip dvd to the hard drive or shrink it to fit on dvd5?
[17:57] <TheSheep> evil_tech: dd if=/dev/dvd of=~/my_ripped_did.iso
[17:57] <evil_tech> i didnt even think about dd
[17:59] <evil_tech> that didnt work. it made a 1.8mb file
[18:00] <TheSheep> evil_tech: make sure the dvd is not mounted
[18:00] <TheSheep> evil_tech: and that you use the right drive
[18:01] <evil_tech> only have one dvd
[18:02] <evil_tech> it was mounted so i unmounted and it still made a 1.8mb file
[18:02] <evil_tech> can i mount drives remotely
[18:02] <evil_tech> maybe it is cause it is a copyrighted dvd
[18:03] <TheSheep> evil_tech: can you play it?
[18:03] <evil_tech> yeah
[18:03] <TheSheep> then dd should copy it
[18:04] <TheSheep> evil_tech: are you sure you have enough free space?
[18:04] <evil_tech> hmm maybe i cant play it
[18:04] <evil_tech> mplayer just told me it cant connect to the hal daemon
[18:05] <evil_tech> i dont have enough space on the main drive so i told dd to copy it to my 80gb hdd1
[18:05] <kupesoft> GDM looks back in xubuntu with 800x600, how to fix?
[18:07] <Pixilarion> looks back?
[18:08] <kupesoft> looks bad
[18:08] <kupesoft> sorry
[18:08] <kupesoft> the fonts are all weird
[18:08] <kupesoft> How can I take a screenshot of gdm
[18:10] <Pixilarion> and you want to work in 800x600?
[18:10] <kupesoft> That's all my monitor supports
[18:11] <RandyboY> Im having a bit of a problem with my display settings... They keep changing without me doing anything... Where is the settings saved so i can take a backup and maybe restore when the problem occurs? And how do i reset xfce4 from a remote ssh session?
[18:14] <evil_tech> RandyboY: i think display settings are stored in xorg.conf
[18:14] <evil_tech> which is in /etc/X11
[18:15] <evil_tech> as for resetting xfce from a remote ssh i havent the slightest
[18:16] <evil_tech> TheSheep: i got dvd playback working. has to be mounted in order for it to play
[18:20] <RandyboY> evil_tech, didnt contain the settings i need :) I need the resolution settings and placement settings. The "on screen placement" setting :) Cause i have a flat-tv which get "out of range" if its not _that_ setting.
[18:22] <evil_tech> i think i figured out what i was doing wrong. i had if=/dev/dvd instead of /dev/hdb which is the dvd drive
[18:22] <TheSheep> evil_tech: /dev/dvd should be a link to /dev/hdb anyways
[18:23] <evil_tech> apparently its broken on my system. i'll have to look into it once it is done doing its thing
[18:23] <evil_tech> pretty sure that dd an entire dvd will take a while
[18:24] <evil_tech> RandyboY: unless XFCE stores its own resolution settings and placement then xorg.conf should be it.
[18:30] <evil_tech> TheSheep: dd errored out. "File size limit exceeded (core dumped)
[18:31] <TheSheep> evil_tech: that means you tried to create a file larger than 4GB on a FAT file system, didn't you?
[18:31] <TheSheep> evil_tech: FAT is Microsoft's design, it cannot hold files larger than 4GB
[18:31] <TheSheep> (or was it 2GB)
[18:32] <evil_tech> ...maybe...
[18:34] <evil_tech> is there a way to convert a drive from FAT32 to ext3
[18:37] <TheSheep> dunno, probably not without moving the files somewhere
[18:38] <evil_tech> hmm might be easier to just copy the file to a different drive
[18:39] <D4vid> I have a quick question
[18:39] <D4vid> when i shutdown xubuntu on my laptop i have to press my power key
[18:39] <D4vid> cacan i disable that so it justs shutdowns on its own?
[18:39] <D4vid> its an acer laptop
[18:40] <TheSheep> D4vid: if it's too old to have an atx power supply, then you can't
[18:41] <D4vid> when i had xp i it wasnt like this
[18:41] <TheSheep> ah, then it has an atx power
[18:41] <TheSheep> hmm... look at the top of dmesg
[18:41] <TheSheep> anything about acpid?
[18:43] <hyper__ch> huhu TheSheep
[18:44] <TheSheep> hyper__ch: o/
[18:44] <hyper__ch> TheSheep: finally got my diploma ;)
[18:45] <D4vid> i have disabled acpi
[18:54] <hyper__ch> D4vid: then you may need to enable it
[18:54] <D4vid> it the install didnt work until i disabled it
[18:55] <hyper__ch> well, does it boot now when enabled?
[18:55] <hyper__ch> D4vid: did you install with the alternate cd?
[18:55] <D4vid> yes
[18:56] <hyper__ch> D4vid: yes to which question?
[18:56] <D4vid> i used the alternate cd
[18:57] <D4vid> i havent enabled it yet
[18:57] <hyper__ch> try it
[18:57] <D4vid> if it doesn't work can i disable it or is my computer doomed?
[18:57] <hyper__ch> where did you disable it?
[18:58] <D4vid> by typing  linux acpi=off noacpi before install
[18:59] <hyper__ch> D4vid: you could alter the boot parameters in grub to start with acpi... you should then be able to undo that
[19:00] <D4vid> ok thankyou i will try that
[19:00] <hyper__ch> brb
[19:00] <D4vid> i have a very old acer laptop
[19:02] <hyper_ch> back again
[19:03] <RandyboY> evil_tech, thats what im asking if anyone knows :
[19:03] <RandyboY> :)
[19:04] <evil_tech> :)
[19:04] <hyper_ch> RandyboY: that would be?
[19:05] <evil_tech> whether XFCE saves its own copy of display settings somewhere other than xorg.conf
[19:15] <hyper_ch> hmmm, good question
[19:17] <hyper_ch> I don't think it uses something different
[19:17] <evil_tech> i didnt either
[19:17] <evil_tech> wouldnt make sense too since X has that information already in xorg.conf
[19:21] <ajrion> yo people does xubuntu 7.10 have compiz-beryl like ubuntu does?
[19:22] <vinze> ajrion, no
[19:22] <ajrion> i dont know how to check that
[19:22] <ajrion> a :((((
[19:22] <evil_tech> yes and no
[19:22] <evil_tech> you can get compiz to work on xubuntu
[19:22] <vinze> Not by default
[19:22] <ajrion> i just started ubuntu 7.10 on a HP 530 and i like the windows effects
[19:22] <evil_tech> but its not by default and doesnt integrate as well
[19:22] <ajrion> evil_tech you can?! how :)
[19:22] <vinze> ajrion, if you also got Ubuntu installed you can get it to work in Xubuntu
[19:23] <vinze> And otherwise you need to install it
[19:23]  * vinze has so many guides to write ;-)
[19:25] <hyper_ch> vinze: can you write a guide for me how I can make an aweful lot of cash without being required to actually work?
[19:26] <vinze> hyper_ch, easy, just inherit something :P
[19:26] <hyper_ch> vinze: no rich relatives ;(
[19:27] <vinze> hyper_ch, get adopted ;-)
[19:27]  * hyper_ch is available for adoption - please submit a current account balance upon application
[19:28] <ajrion> brb
[19:29] <vinze> Gotta go, bye
[19:32] <evil_tech> urg need more hard drive space
[19:35] <ajrion> thanks vinze and evil_tech :)
[19:35] <ajrion> bye
[20:11] <evil_tech> and the lord sayeth let there be 15gb extra hard disk space!!! and there was 15gb of ext3 formatted goodess! and he looked at the freespace and said it was good
[20:24] <D4vid> can i somehow limit how much hdd space a user can use in her home folder?
[20:25] <evil_tech> like disc quotas in NTFS
[20:25] <evil_tech> ?
[20:26] <vinze> I suppose you could've put their folders on separate partitions...
[20:26] <evil_tech> you can but i dont remember the commands and i havent been able to find my linux book
[20:27] <D4vid> there must be some way
[20:27] <Pumpernickel> !info quota
[20:27] <ubotu> quota: implementation of the disk quota system. In component main, is optional. Version 3.14-8 (gutsy), package size 412 kB, installed size 1252 kB
[20:27] <Pumpernickel> Voila.
[20:27] <evil_tech> yay for ubotu the handy irc bot
[20:34] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: you know virtualbox?
[20:34] <Pumpernickel> A bit.  Why?
[20:35] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: you know how I can access a debian client from my gutsy host?
[20:35] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: I can't even find out the right IP for the client
[20:38] <zoredache> pardon?
[20:38] <Pumpernickel> http://www.bgevolution.com/blog/index.php/virtualbox-guest-ip-address/
[20:38] <Pumpernickel> Seems complicated.  Good luck.
[20:39] <hyper_ch> Pumpernickel: thx
[20:40] <evil_tech> how do you mount a drive as read write?
[20:42] <hyper_ch> evil_tech: sudo mount /dev/xxxxx /path/to/mount
[20:42] <evil_tech> this is what i'm typing and it isnt working: sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /media/tmp rw
[20:53] <evil_tech> ok how do i make it so not just root has read write access
[20:53] <evil_tech> ?
[21:01] <evil_tech> why will this stupid drive not mount as read write
[21:01] <evil_tech> ***slams head on keyboard
[21:03] <zoredache> it is broken?
[21:03] <evil_tech> no i'm just dont know how to do it
[21:04] <evil_tech> tried putting it in fstab doesnt work
[21:04] <zoredache> so you can write to the drive when logged in as root?
[21:04] <evil_tech> yeah
[21:04] <TheSheep> evil_tech: make a directory, and chown it to you
[21:04] <zoredache> ok then you need to set filesystem permissions that allow you t write to it
[21:04] <nanonyme> zoredache, was that set with umask or whatever?
[21:05] <evil_tech> so since i am mounting it in /media/tmp chown that to me
[21:05] <zoredache> on my portable usb drives I do something icky, and do a chmod 1777 /mnt/blah
[21:05] <zoredache> that way, anybody can create files there, but they will only be able to change things they own
[21:05] <zoredache> like /tmp
[21:06] <zoredache> you could create a group or use your admin group
[21:06] <zoredache> then do chown root:admin
[21:06] <evil_tech> chown worked
[21:07] <zoredache> then chmod 2770 the folder... that would allow anyone in that group to read/write
[21:07] <evil_tech> not to worried about that im the only one with access to this computer and the drive is about to be filled and removed
[21:08] <zoredache> if you are moving the drive around, then it might be better to leave it owned by root:admin though
[21:08] <zoredache> when the drive is mounted on different system, you may not be you
[21:08] <evil_tech> its just temporary storage to see if this dvd95 program works
[21:09] <evil_tech> my other drive is FAT and dies when the file size hits 4gb and my main drive is full
[21:09] <zoredache> ah
[21:09] <zoredache> well anyway, just making sure you understood the consequences of your choice
[21:10] <evil_tech> thanks i wouldnt have known that. definitely useful for the future
[21:25] <R3MI> hi guys, trying to install Xubuntu here on an IBM iseries laptop (Celeron 700mhz, 64megs Ram, 10gig HD) and always get the same error with any distro i try (kubuntu & ubuntu). Error is acpi=force is required to enable ACPI. Anything i can do?
[21:27] <R3MI> then it shows up the Xubuntu logo with the progress bar under but spins 2-3 time then it jams there
[21:30] <zoredache> have you tried disabling power management?
[21:30] <R3MI> i wish i knew how!
[21:31] <zoredache> in the bios?
[21:31] <R3MI> there is 0 configuration about any power management in the bios
[21:32] <R3MI> its the most basic bios i have ever seen
[21:33] <zoredache> what cd image are you trying to use?
[21:33] <R3MI> Xubuntu 7.10, same prob with Kubuntu or Ubuntu latest version as well
[21:33] <zoredache> I am nore curious if you are using the livecd, or the altcd
[21:34] <R3MI> the live cd
[21:34] <zoredache> generally, I have better luck with the alternate cd... but that may not help...
[21:36] <R3MI> what is the difference between a Alt CD and the real thing?
[21:36] <R3MI> i have never downloaded any Alt CD
[21:36] <zoredache> there is no x11 server... it is a pure text-mode install
[21:37] <zoredache> all menu-driven...  I think it is the same kernel though...
[21:37] <R3MI> but when it is installed after it is the same thing?
[21:38] <zoredache> so you probably would have the same problem...  I haven't tried with the newest release, but you should be able to provide boot paramaters manually to disable certain kernel features like power management
[21:38] <zoredache> yes, the altcd, and livecd will both give you the same thing in the end
[21:40] <D4vid> use alt cd, press f6, add linux acpi=off noacpi to the end of all parameters, install and follow instructions
[21:40] <D4vid> that worked for me on my really old acer laptop
[21:42] <R3MI> "linux acpi=off noacpi" ?
[21:42] <R3MI> need the word linux there?
[21:44] <zoredache> yes
[21:44] <R3MI> still freeze at same place :(
[21:45] <evil_tech> is it frozen or just really really slow?
[21:46] <R3MI> when i see the Xubuntu logo the progress bar under the logo spins 2-3 times and jams there
[21:46] <R3MI> no activity what so ever
[21:46] <zoredache> did you say earlier versions of ubuntu did work?
[21:46] <R3MI> nothing works
[21:47] <R3MI> tried 6.04
[21:47] <R3MI> and tried 7.04 too
[21:47] <R3MI> and now 7.10
[21:48] <hyper_ch> R3MI: with 64mb ram y ou need the alternate cd
[21:48] <R3MI> i have 87% downloaded of the Xubuntu alt cd
[21:49] <zoredache> 64mb of ram?  what are you planning on doing with that anyway?
[21:49] <R3MI> not much
[21:49] <hyper_ch> DSL, featherlinux, puppy linux would be much better suited
[21:49] <hyper_ch> it's going to be really, really, slow
[21:49] <R3MI> just an old laptop i have laying around, just want to keep a list of what i have in my freezer downstairs
[21:51] <evil_tech> i agree with zoredache
[21:52] <R3MI> alt cd is burning, gonna give it a try if not ill download Puppy or Feather
[21:54] <R3MI> thanks for the help guys
[22:00] <D4vid> alt cd will probably work
[22:01] <D4vid> but why xubuntu oif you're going to  use it as a freezer server :P
[22:02] <evil_tech> heck DOS would work fine for that purpose
[22:04] <R3MI> just tried the Alt CD, doesnt work :(
[22:04] <R3MI> downloading Feather and Puppy
[22:05] <R3MI> dont have a floppy drive on that machine
[22:22] <Nourox> an anyone help with installing MySQL Server 5 on Xubuntu 7.10?
[22:22] <zoredache> installing is easy... apt-get install mysql-server
[22:22] <zoredache> configuring is somewhat beyond the scope of the channel...
[22:23] <zoredache> where you having some specific problems?
[22:25] <Nourox> I tried apt-get install mysql-server... After downloading and installing it promted: unable to fetch some archives...
[22:41] <zoredache> Nourox: you probably need to enable some additional repositories or something...
[22:42] <D4vid> how do i enable and disable acpi?
[22:45] <Mark76> What's the minimum ram you need to run XP comfortably?
[22:46] <D4vid> 256
[22:46] <D4vid> but i recommend at least 512
[22:46] <Mark76> So someone with 512 should be okay?
[22:47] <D4vid> yeah
[22:47] <D4vid> i have run xp with 128 mb ram
[22:47] <D4vid> wasn to fast though
[22:47] <D4vid> switched to xubuntu ^^
[22:48] <Mark76> Must be something else that's slowing their PC down then
[22:49] <D4vid> check msconfig
[22:49] <D4vid> crap like norton can really slow it down
[22:49] <Mark76> How do you do that?
[22:49] <Mark76> I haven't used Windows intentionally in years
[22:51] <KalEl> hi... 1) i have kubuntu, how can i install xubuntu? 2) is xubuntu a version of ubuntu with teh xfce desktop manager?
[22:51] <KalEl> thanks
[22:51] <Mark76> Yes
[22:51] <Mark76> OPen a terminal
[22:51] <Mark76> Done it?
[22:52] <KalEl> yeah please go on
[22:52] <Mark76> Now type sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[22:53] <KalEl> ok thanks
[22:53] <Mark76> Done it?
[22:53] <Mark76> Password
[22:53] <KalEl> thanks i got it :)
[22:53] <Mark76> Cool
[22:53] <Nourox> Ok, MySQL works for me now :)
[22:54] <Mark76> Woohoo!
[22:54] <Mark76> I take it you're a fan of a certain son of Krypton, Kalel
[22:54] <Mark76> KalEl
[22:55] <KalEl> and right you are
[22:55] <KalEl> :)
[22:55] <Mark76> Okay. Now restart
[22:56] <Mark76> In the sessions menu on the log in page you should now have Xubuntu as an option
[22:57] <Mark76> What IM/IRC client are you using, KalEl?
[22:57] <KalEl> Konversation
[22:58] <KalEl> but my connection is slow
[22:58] <KalEl> it will take some time to get 66mb
[22:58] <Mark76> Pidgin is the default in Xubuntu
[22:58] <KalEl> i have 256kbps connection
[22:58] <Mark76> I take it you're still downloading it then?
[22:59] <Mark76> Oh
[22:59] <Mark76> My
[22:59] <Mark76> God!!!!
[22:59] <KalEl> :)
[22:59] <KalEl> why how much do you have?
[22:59] <Mark76> Hey everyone, we have a strange visitor form 1995!
[22:59] <Mark76> from
[22:59] <Mark76> About 2 megs at least
[22:59] <KalEl> Oh my!
[23:00] <Mark76> I'd have to look at the Virgin Media page on Broadband options to know for sure
[23:03] <Mark76> So, where are you posting from KE?
[23:03] <KalEl> you can play F.E.A.R at full speed on the net
[23:03] <KalEl> India :)
[23:03] <Mark76> Not Canada?
[23:03] <Mark76> Fair enough
[23:04] <KalEl> here i can download F.E.A.R without fear (of going to jail) :)
[23:04] <Mark76> Do you know how to start MSConfig
[23:05] <KalEl> (not to say that i do that... but piracy is prevelant here - probably owing to low speed india doesnt attract attention in that front)
[23:05] <KalEl> msconfig yeah
[23:05] <Mark76> Yes, but at only 256KbPS is it really worth the hassle?
[23:05] <KalEl> exactly... i don't take it
[23:06] <Mark76> Is it one of those DOS commands?
[23:06] <KalEl> windows actually, it launches a gui
[23:06] <Mark76> Ah righr
[23:06] <Mark76> t
[23:06] <Mark76> See, 2 years Windows free will do that to a guy :D
[23:07] <KalEl> :)
[23:07] <KalEl> i am windows free now... won't pay for the Vista "upgade"
[23:07] <Mark76> My name is Mark and I have been Windows free for two years
[23:08] <KalEl> it's kinda like paying for trashing my desktop...
[23:09] <KalEl> Nice to meet you Mark, my name is Kal, I'm Windows free for two weeks
[23:09] <Mark76> Just take it one day at a time, Kal ;)
[23:10] <Mark76> How much is left to download?
[23:11] <KalEl> it's pretty slow... 16% done
[23:11] <Mark76> Whoa
[23:11] <Mark76> Don't surf
[23:11] <KalEl> :)
[23:11] <KalEl> it's ok no rush
[23:11] <KalEl> i'm sharing it with somebody
[23:11] <KalEl> who is surfing :=)
[23:11] <Mark76> AH okay
[23:12] <Mark76> Where abouts in India are you?
[23:12] <KalEl> now, bangalore
[23:12] <Mark76> I've heard bad things about the water supply in New Dehli
[23:12] <Mark76> Delhi
[23:12] <KalEl> yeah been there 2 years
[23:13] <Mark76> How is it in BAngalore?
[23:13] <KalEl> you heard right
[23:13] <KalEl> bangalore is better in terms of water supply and weather
[23:13] <Mark76> Cool
[23:13] <KalEl> but infrastructure and roads are definitely better in delhi
[23:14] <Mark76> Good to know you won't be dropping dead of typhoid before you've finished downloading the Xubuntu desktop ;)
[23:14] <KalEl> :)
[23:15] <Mark76> Your conversational English is excellent, btw
[23:15] <Mark76> It's better than what some geezers 'ere is
[23:16] <KalEl> i'm trying out different desktop environments in ubuntu
[23:17] <Mark76> Wise
[23:17] <KalEl> Mark, do you like Xfce the best?
[23:17] <Mark76> YEah, it's a good match for my Pentium III chipset
[23:17] <KalEl> ok
[23:18] <Mark76> That's a whopping 256mbs of RAM at an astounding 833 gHz
[23:18] <KalEl> I liked KDE when I installed it... but now it seems cluttered - I can't exactly pinpoint why
[23:18] <Mark76> You added to much stuff?
[23:19] <Mark76> too
[23:19] <KalEl> No it's the same interface... seems seems more cluttered than Gnome
[23:19] <KalEl> I can't zero in on the reason why I feel that way though.
[23:20] <KalEl> Probably it's just too jazzy for me...
[23:20] <Mark76> You prefer something more Rock 'n' Roll?
[23:21] <KalEl> I liked the compiz-fusion in Gnome... but something in KDE doesn't probably suite me well
[23:21] <KalEl> Less Rock 'n' Roll ;)
[23:21] <Mark76> XFCE doesn't really do Compiz-Fusion
[23:22] <KalEl> That's alright I turned it off in Gnome after first 3 days :)
[23:22] <Mark76> I mean, it can; but it kind of goes against the philosophy of the thing
[23:22] <KalEl> Although when some friend comes to see my new Ubuntu box I turn it on for a while ;)
[23:22] <Mark76> :D
[23:22] <Mark76> Good idea
[23:23] <KalEl> Most of them are unaware of where linux has reached, so they are always zapped at the first sight
[23:24] <KalEl> Some are not shocked though
[23:24] <Mark76> You should show them how easy it can be to install
[23:24] <KalEl> Because they think I've done something to Windows :)
[23:24] <Mark76> Ha ha
[23:24] <Mark76> Isn't Jim Croce dead? :-/
[23:26] <Mark76> What're your favourite apps in Ubuntu, Kal?
[23:27] <KalEl> I like g++ :)
[23:28] <KalEl> mPlayer
[23:28] <KalEl> it's fun to ssh from the laptop and control the mPlayer on my screen to watch movies with friends
[23:28] <zengen> I just did a clean on 2 computers and I'm having a problem with the screensaver on both of them.  If I switch user and leave the computers idle they revert back to the desktop without any input from the login screen.  Also, when the 'action button' added to the panel is set to lock it does nothing when clicked.  Anyone know how I can fix those?
[23:28] <zengen> clean install*
[23:30] <Mark76> Sorry Zengen, not a clue
[23:31] <Mark76> Kal?  Do you have any suggestions?
[23:31] <KalEl> No sorry... do the 2 computers have similar specifications?
[23:31] <zengen> No, completely different.
[23:32] <zengen> I found some similar problems on the forum, but no one had a fix.
[23:33] <Mark76> I just added the lock button to see what would happen
[23:33] <KalEl> I see, I do not know if anyone else have had this problem... may be someone in this room can test and confirm as your problem seems easy to replicate
[23:33] <Mark76> Unfortunately I'm the only user of this computer
[23:34] <KalEl> zengen, probably you could also try asking in the #xfce channel
[23:34] <zengen> KalEl, didn't think about that.  Will try it.  Thanks.
[23:34] <Mark76> :)
[23:34] <KalEl> You're welcome :)
[23:34] <Mark76> I'm quite a fan of Claws for email
[23:35] <KalEl> Hope somebody is able to solve it.
[23:35] <Mark76> It's light on resources and has a handy sys tray notification plug in
[23:37] <Mark76> For browsing I prefer Epiphany over FIrefox
[23:37] <zoredache> zengen: I can confirm that behavior
[23:37] <zoredache> I have also done two clean installs of xubuntu... the screen doesn't get locked by the screen saver even when it is checked
[23:39] <evil_tech> has anyone checked to see if it is a bug
[23:39] <evil_tech> cause i have the same problem
[23:39] <zoredache> I added a lock button, and installed the gnome-screensaver and a few other things...
[23:39] <zoredache> eventually I got my lock button to work
[23:41] <Mark76> How long did it take the desktops to reappear, Zen?
[23:44] <Mark76> Man, some of those screensavers are trippy
[23:46] <Mark76> Anyone know if the XFCE people are working on v4.5?
[23:53] <Mark76> Nearly time for bed here
[23:53] <Mark76> Night Kal
[23:54] <KalEl> Night Mark
[23:54] <KalEl> I was reading up on Xubuntu...
[23:54] <Mark76> :)
[23:54] <KalEl> Seems Xubuntu looks the same as Gnome and supports the same applications! why is it then faster? Or rather, why is Gnome more of a resource hog?
[23:54] <KalEl> Puzzles me...
[23:54] <Mark76> Good question
[23:55] <KalEl> What's the catch? Gnome must have something which Xubuntu doesn't... what is it??
[23:55] <KalEl> Otherwise why would someone prefer Gnome!
[23:55] <Mark76> Compiz-Fusion?
[23:55] <Mark76> Ah, I know!
[23:55] <KalEl> :)
[23:55] <vonck7> compiz works fine in xubuntu ;)
[23:55] <KalEl> Is that part of gnome?
[23:56] <KalEl> :)
[23:56] <KalEl> Anyway I guess I'll find out soon...
[23:56] <Mark76> The Gnome version comes with Open Office as standard, The XFCE one doesn't
[23:56] <Mark76> How did you get compiz to work, vonck?
[23:57] <KalEl> Well... yeah it comes with some other things also which I don't really need like Evolution
[23:57] <zengen> For the other people that had the screen lock problem it works if you install xscreensaver and use that instead of gnome-screensaver.
[23:57] <vonck7> Mark76 : can't really remember, buit
[23:58] <KalEl> compiz --replace doesn't work?
[23:58] <vonck7> but i did have some problems getting it to work
[23:58] <KalEl> or probably the window decorations may have trouble, just like kde
[23:58] <Mark76> Oh
[23:59] <vonck7> i do have to do a compiz --replace after i login, but it's in my toolbar so it's just 1 extra click.


[00:31] <fcuk112_1> anyone running lucid alpha yet?
[00:45] <hedkandi> hi folks does anyone want to revu my package rssedit? I need some advocates please
[01:36] <RAOF> Ok.  I want to use monodevelop-vala, so it's time to check out those merges :)
[03:32] <BLUG_Fred> Hi! How do I find the package maintainer of a community managed project to ask him to provide an update as the default install segfaults on karmic. Project is renpy and bug is here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/renpy/+bug/467730
[03:36] <micahg> BLUG_Fred: I'll mark it triaged as the upstream maintainer said that it's fixed in a new upstream version
[03:36] <BLUG_Fred> micahg: thanks a lot
[05:20] <porthose> slangasek, ping, when you have time please have a look at bug #486157 thx :)
[05:23]  * porthose hates it when life gets in the way of his ubuntu development fun ;)
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <geser> good morning and you are an hour late
[07:54] <dholbach> I know, I'm sorry
[08:00] <pwnguin> are non-free packages autosynced to multiverse?
[08:01] <pwnguin> I'm interested in the cuneiform ocr package in debian non-free, but it's not yet in ubuntu
[08:13] <slytherin> pwnguin: I don't think they are auto synced. You will have to request and justify the sync.
[11:36] <pmcenery> I'm looking for a bit of advice from a Java packaging wizard. I'm going to be doing a course which requires me to use javanns (http://www.ra.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/downloads/JavaNNS/) and sb-mase (http://sourceforge.net/projects/sbmase/). Both of these supply the original Java source code and not just the compiled bytecode. I guess I'm looking for a good example package that I can download and use as an example. I'm familiar
[11:38] <pmcenery> Also... does anyone know of a link on how to get your PPA packages built for multiple series? I tried googling this. Is it just a case of "dch -i" and setting the series to have you want and put a changelog entry of * Backport in before uploading again?
[11:48] <pmcenery> I've just taken a look at azureus source package and think I'll use that...
[11:51] <directhex> azureus is a BIG example
[11:51] <directhex> i'd poke ttx if i were you
[11:51] <directhex> which may mean waiting for timezone alignment
[11:53] <pmcenery> directhex: thanks. Strangely... seems like the smaller packages are put together more hap-hazardly with no build systems and stuff all over the place
[11:56] <directhex> you play the hand you're dealt
[11:56] <directhex> and java upstreams can be haphazard themselves
[12:03] <pmcenery> directhex: Yeh. I need to look at setting up a build system for it. Looks like ANT might be quite easy to do this from the azureus example... but I've poked ttx and will wait for some expert guidance on it.
[12:05] <directhex> pmcenery, typically in my experience, if upstream provides NO build system, then don't go overboard in plugging the gap. a manual "compile.sh" which just runs javac won't offend anyone if upstream didn't give you better
[12:06] <pmcenery> Do you know offhand of a package which uses such a script?
[12:11] <directhex> not for java, no
[12:14] <pmcenery> directhex: thanks. I'll have a play and see if I can build it first. Looks like I just need to get it to build a single jar and put that in /usr/share/<name>, and do all the desktop links etc. These are fairly small apps
[12:15] <pmcenery> /usr/share/<pkg_name>/name.jar rather
[12:22] <ttx> pmcenery: you should have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/LibraryPackaging
[12:23] <ttx> pmcenery: if the project doesn't provide any kind of build system, I'd write a debian/build.xml and use ant CDBS
[12:24] <ttx> See the geronimo-*-spec packages for a minimal example of that (for example geronimo-interceptor-3.0-spec)
[12:25] <ttx> slytherin: we should probably update the examples to use the mh_ magic now...
[12:26] <ttx> that would remve the dh_link part
[12:26] <pmcenery> ttx: thanks. I'll check that link. The one I'm looking at the moment is sb-mase, which doesnt appear to have "built" to a .jar. Its just got a classes folder and a start.bat in it I've executed the commands manually and it seems to actually run. Should I be trying to make this all into a .jar in /usr/share/pkgname/, or should I be putting all the classes there?
[12:27] <ttx> either a jar in /usr/share/java, or classes directory in /usr/share/pkgname.
[12:27] <ttx> I'd recommend the former if that jar is intended to be used by something else
[12:29] <pmcenery> ttx: I think these classes are only used by the app itself. One of the "classes" is also just the icons and stuff used by the application. I'm guessing I should opt for just the classes in /usr/share/pkgname/ and patch the source if necessary to find them.
[12:30] <ttx> pmcenery: then yes, eithe ship a classes directory or a jar in /usr/share/pkgname
[12:31] <pmcenery> ttx: thanks for the advice. I'll let you kwow when I got something remotely build-able
[13:59] <emgent> \sh: ola?
[14:07] <pepsifx357> Hi, this chat room wouldn't happen to be about the Mark of The Unicorn or MOTU company of audio interfaces would it?
[14:08] <slytherin> ttx: ever played with jetty configuration? need some quick help with that.
[14:08] <slytherin> pepsifx357: nope
[14:08] <Pici> pepsifx357: no, sorry.
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> I'm afraid not. :) It's about "The Masters of the Universe" that maintain the universe package repository of Ubuntu
[14:08] <pepsifx357> ok thanks
[14:08] <Pici> !motu | pepsifx357
[14:08] <pepsifx357> Oh ok, thanks
[14:08] <ttx> slytherin: not really. I plan to, in late January.
[14:09] <slytherin> ok
[14:13]  * slytherin feels it is time we got rid of compiz from default install, it's just eye candy
[14:55] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:56] <sebner> huhu bddebian :)
[14:56] <bddebian> Heya sebner
[14:56] <geser> Hi bddebian and sebner
[14:57] <bddebian> Hi geser
[15:00] <jdstrand> dholbach: hi! would you mind adding ubuntu-security-sponsors to http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ ?
[15:01] <dholbach> jdstrand: not at all
[15:01] <sebner> ahoi geser :)
[15:01]  * sebner waves at jdstrand dholbach
[15:01] <jdstrand> hi sebner :)
[15:03] <jdstrand> dholbach: thanks!
[15:14] <LucidFox> I have a bad feeling about the exFAT thing.
[15:17] <directhex> indeed
[15:24] <dholbach> jdstrand: pushed, should be part of the list after the next cron run
[15:24] <dholbach> jdstrand: just seems empty right now
[15:24]  * jdstrand hugs dholbach
[15:25]  * dholbach hugs jdstrand back :)
[15:25] <jdstrand> dholbach: yes it is, I only just created the team a few minutes ago :)
[15:25] <jdstrand> dholbach: going through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-lucid-sponsorship-review right now
[15:25] <dholbach> nice :)
[15:25] <jdstrand>  5
[15:25] <jdstrand> o/
[15:26] <randomaction> could someone update MoM please? it seems to be frozen for over a week
[15:41] <ScottK> Maybe Adri2000 needs to put a copy of it up somewhere ....
[16:12] <geser> randomaction: what I've heard MoM doesn't like the new format 3.0 packages, don't know if it's fixed or not
[16:38] <popey> against what package should bugs be filed about the way the alternate cd has been built?
[16:39] <ogra> try debian-cd
[16:40] <ScottL_> greetings all! I am trying to help the Ubuntu Studio developers build packages and find myself stymied again and again my build errors
[16:40] <ScottL_> that I cannot solve due to my ignorance, is there a place to solicit for a mentor to help me learn more about building packages?
[16:41] <ScottL_> geser: thanks for your help before with my lucid pbuilder environment, works like a charm now :)
[16:41] <ScottL_> s/my/by
[16:42] <geser> why not ask your questions here and get input from the whole MOTU community?
[16:43] <popey> thanks ogra
[16:46] <quadrispro> LucidFox, about fuse-zip, please bump Standards up to 3.8.3
[16:47] <ScottL_> geser: I can do that :)  but I'll have to wait until I'm in front of my home computer
[16:47] <ScottK> quadrispro: If this is for Ubuntu, unless the package isn't in Debian, please don't.
[16:48] <LucidFox> It should be 3.8.3...
[16:48] <quadrispro> ok, but debhelper build-dep should be at least 7.0.50 (due to the use of override_*)
[16:51] <LucidFox> Well, I mean... it *is* 3.8.3 there.
[16:51] <ScottL_> this may sound cliche or dippy but I have learned gads of information already and I feel very fortunate to have these resources available from which to learn
[16:51] <LucidFox> ScottK, why shouldn't non-Debian Ubuntu packages have 3.8.3?
[16:52] <quadrispro> BTW, the package looks good to me, LucidFox did you get in touch with debian ITP bug's owner?
[16:52] <ScottK> LucidFox: I meant the other way around.  If we are merging from Debian, don't bump the standards version from what's in Debian.  It's pointless and ubuntu-policy says not to.
[16:52] <ScottK> Sorry if I misunderstood the situation.
[16:53] <LucidFox> I don't see any ITP in Debian, only an RFP.
[16:53] <LucidFox> ScottK> It's a new package on REVU, lintian complains that the version is 3.8.3 rather than 3.8.0.
[16:53] <ScottK> Due to an old lintian on REVU
[16:55] <quadrispro> LucidFox, ok, if you are looking for a co-maintainer to maintain it even in Debian, feel free to ping me :)
[16:55]  * LucidFox nods
[16:55] <LucidFox> So you're going to advocate and upload it?
[16:57] <quadrispro> yep, I can change those little details and upload it
[16:58] <LucidFox> Little details?
[16:58] <quadrispro> Standards, dh build-dep and maintainer field (should be set to Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:01] <quadrispro> oh, standards is right and REVU is wrong :)
[17:05] <quadrispro> LucidFox, looks really good to me, http://home.alessiotreglia.com/lucid/pool/fuse-zip_0.2.8-0ubuntu1/
[17:05] <quadrispro> advocating and uploading
[17:05] <LucidFox> Danke.
[17:14] <quadrispro> Bitte
[17:34] <michas> Hi, I'm using the resolvconf package, which currently completely breaks DNS due to bug #448095. Since I have to fix the package anyway, (to get a working DNS again, ) I wondered if I should, (instead of a local quick&dirty hack,) try to really fix it and try to get it into the official updates. Is this a good idea? What is the correct procedure? (Just attaching a debdiff to the bug?)
[17:35] <micahg> michas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[17:36]  * syn-ack trips micahg for the heck of it
[17:36] <syn-ack> I'd like to say good morning to you today, sir is all. :)
[17:36] <micahg> hi syn-ack
[17:48] <michas> micahg, I would call it a "Bug which represent severe regressions from the previous release of Ubuntu", hence I guess it would justify an SRU. But independently of the SRU, the next step should be a debdiff to fix it in lucid, right?
[17:49] <micahg> michas: correct
[17:50] <micahg> michas: it's already been marked regression-release, so there will be an update at some point
[17:50] <micahg> michas: but, if you can make a debdiff for lucid, that would speed things along
[17:55] <michas> micahg, alright, I'll do so. thanks for your help.
[19:39] <ScottL_> i have been trying to build zynjacku with pbuilder and I get an error "pythondir is NOT in your Python's sys.path" so I log into my pbuilder environment and see
[19:39] <ScottL_> that I do have the directory "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages" but when I check "python -c "import sys; print sys.path"" it is not in my python path
[19:40] <ScottL_> how can I add this into my path within my pbuilder environment so that I can then build zynjacku in launchpad for inclusion for Ubuntu Studio?
[19:49] <ScottK> ScottL_: You shouldn't be using /usr/local in a package for the archives.
[19:57] <ScottL_> ScottK: so perhaps I can set the pythondir with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS in the rules files?
[19:57] <ScottK> That sounds likely
[19:59] <ScottL_> ScottK: if so then can you suggest a more proper place?    /usr/lib  perhaps?
[20:00] <ScottL_> ScottK: sorry for my vast inexperience, but I'm learning rapidly :)
[20:01] <maxb> ScottL_: Sounds like you need to include --install-layout=deb on the setup.py command line
[20:01] <ScottK> ScottL_: The Debian Python policy (which we use) is in the midst of a major update.  Have a look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2009/12/msg00009.html and that should have most of the python specific answers you are looking for.
[20:02] <pochu> I don't think DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is meant for that...
[20:02] <pochu> ScottL_: yes
[20:05] <ScottL_> maxb and ScottK:  thank you for the answers, now I'll have to research them
[20:06] <ScottL_> pochu: I'm a little confused by your repsonses ?
[20:07] <pochu> I don't think setting pythondir in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS will have any effect
[20:07] <pochu> but what maxb said :)
[20:08] <ScottL_> pochu: ah, thank you
[21:03] <kees> jdstrand: hola
[21:03] <jdstrand> o/
[21:03] <jdstrand> 14:56 < jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: ok, I updated   SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Submission to point to   SponsorshipProcess. it, among other things, points to  SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue
[21:04] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: so, as per our UDS discussion and this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/security-lucid-sponsorship-review
[21:04] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: we are all tied into the normal sponsorship process
[21:05] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: it would be great if at some point you guys could read SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue
[21:05] <kees> jdstrand: nice! looks really good.
[21:05] <jdstrand> kees, mdeslaur: it basically follows the MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue process, and differs mainly in that ubuntu-security-sponsors remain subscribed to the bug in most situations.
[21:05] <kees> reading SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue now
[21:05] <jdstrand> s/and/but/
[21:06] <jdstrand> kees: oh, I was just going to say 'no rush' :)
[21:06] <kees> I'm at a nice pause while making lunch for my mom-in-law.  :)
[21:08] <kees> jdstrand: 'The Status should be "New" for sync requests' is that accurate for -security?
[21:09] <kees> jdstrand: as in, we have "sync" requests?  we have the debian fake-syncs, is that what's meant there?
[21:09] <jdstrand> kees: it is meant to refer to fake syncs
[21:09] <kees> ok
[21:09] <jdstrand> (I forgot to add a link to that)
[21:10] <kees> ah, I see the "Syncs" section now. heh
[21:13] <kees> jdstrand: what do you think of adding a "7." to the "Notes for Contributors" that asks the contributor to comment on the runtime testing that has been done?
[21:14] <kees> also, do you think linking to or including the "Issues that warrant a security update" from the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess to the "Requesting Sponsorship" section of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess ?
[21:14] <kees> (so that someone can attempt to self-determine which pocket to target?)
[21:14] <jdstrand> kees: sure. we can link back to the new, softer and gentler SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Testing
[21:15] <jdstrand> kees: that sounds good too
[21:15] <kees> hehe
[21:15]  * jdstrand goes to do it
[21:15] <kees> this is very cool, nice.
[21:18] <jdstrand> kees: '7' is done and I cleared up the fake sync dealie
[21:18]  * jdstrand goes to SponsorshipProcess
[21:22] <jdstrand> kees: done
[22:04] <shamran> Hi there
[22:06] <shamran> I have a question regarding getting a package into universe so hope this is the place
[22:08] <shamran> What are the process when I have a Launchpad project with sourcecode and i whant to build the package from there, and not just build a source package on my laptop and send it to revu.
[22:12] <ScottK> Our process is throught REVU.
[22:13] <ScottK> The fact that upstream may be hosted on Launchpad doesn't affect that.
[22:26] <joaopinto> I have attached a debdiff with the fix for a bug, I should susbcribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors for the sponsorship process right ?
[22:27] <shamran> thx ScottK
[22:29] <geser> joaopinto: yes
[22:44] <dabaR> /win/win c
[23:30] <ScottL_> earlier I asked for help about a python sys.path issue, but now that I read the warning again I was mistaken about the location:
[23:30] <ScottL_> this is where the scripts are located:   Python script dir  : /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages      not/usr/local    so that is good
[23:30] <ScottL_> but I find the other warning:   pythondir is NOT in your Python's sys.path which means you should add it to PYTHONPATH at runtime, or add a .pth file to one of your Python's existing sys.path directorie
[23:30] <ScottL_> and :    Alternatively, re-run ./configure with PYLIBDIR set to override the default pythondir, or adjust prefix to match the prefix used to build your Python.
[23:31] <ScottL_> is there something I can do in the rules file dh_make created to solve this?
[23:32] <maxb> ScottL_: Debian/Ubuntu packages are expected to install into dist-packages not site-packages from Python 2.6 onwards
[23:32] <ScottL_> maxb, is this something I should talk with nedko (upstream dev) about?
[23:32] <maxb> More conventional distutils-based builds will do this properly when passed --install-layout=deb. If this thing has a nonstandard buildsystem, it'll require patching
[23:34] <ScottL_> I searched through various config files and make files but couldn't find anything that called for setup.py which you suggested I pass the "--install-layout=deb" to :(
[23:34] <maxb> Can you point me to the source of this thing in something web browsable?
[23:35] <ScottL_> uno momento, por favor
[23:36] <ScottL_> https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid    this is my build in my ppa for it....you can see the buildlog for the warning
[23:37] <ScottL_> https://launchpad.net/~slavender/+archive/lucid/+build/1383726   perphas this is a quicker, more direct link
[23:41] <maxb> ScottL_: Ah, ok. So it's a traditional autoconf build, rather than a Python distutils one.
[23:41] <maxb> The problem is that its paths are wrong. Where they say site-packages, they need to say dist-packages.
[23:41] <maxb> Find a command-line parameter or a way of patching the package to make that the case
[23:47] <ScottL_> maxb, thank you, I will dig into it for a while but I will probably end back up here tomorrow :)
[23:49] <ScottL_> I am imagining that I can simply edit his configure files to replace 'site-packages' with 'dist-packages', no?
[23:49] <maxb> Hard to say without having looked at where it gets those paths from
[23:49] <ScottL_> then find the Ubuntu wiki/help patch page to help me create a patch and send it upstream?
[23:50] <maxb> The patch will not be suitable for upstream. The dist-packages thing is unique to Debian/Ubuntu
[23:52] <ScottL_> hmmm, learned something else
[23:52] <ScottL_> well, later tonight I'll try to replace 'site' with 'dist' and see what happens then, thank you immensely for your help


[16:32] <tyhicks> hello
[16:32] <mdeslaur> hi!
[16:32] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 18 16:32:13 2017 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <tyhicks> Ismail Belkacim provided a debdiff for xenial for phpldapadmin (LP: #1701731)
[16:32] <tyhicks> Thank you for your assistance in keeping Ubuntu users secure! :)
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:32] <jdstrand> hey
[16:32] <jdstrand> This week I plan to:
[16:32] <jdstrand> * finish the reviews surrounding snapd layouts feature PR reviews (PR 3621)
[16:32] <jdstrand> * get back to investigating device cgroup issues in snapd
[16:33] <jdstrand> * start next steps of uid/gid work in snapd
[16:33] <jdstrand> that's it for me. mdeslaur, you're up
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'm working on apache updates
[16:33] <mdeslaur> and I'm about to publish a bind9 regression fix that also contains new dnssec keys
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'll be picking up something else from the list after that
[16:33] <mdeslaur> that's it, sbeattie, you're up
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:33] <tyhicks> oh, good idea bundling the two
[16:34] <sbeattie> yeah, that's a nice one
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm working on publishing kernel USNs, as they went out this morning.
[16:34] <sbeattie> I'm also working on libxml2 updates
[16:35] <sbeattie> I'll pick up another one or two updates this week
[16:35] <sbeattie> I need to do a bit of sprint prep
[16:35] <sbeattie> and I have some apparmor reviews that have been languishing.
[16:35] <sbeattie> that's it for me. tyhicks?
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:36] <tyhicks> I just finished addressing (and retesting) feedback items that came up in my libseccomp PR
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'll be updating the PR shortly
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'm also going to prepare a very minimal libseccomp upload for artful
[16:37] <tyhicks> I have some Linux Security Summit followups
[16:37] <tyhicks> need to finish packaging/testing fscrypt 0.2.1
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'll likely have some Rally prep
[16:37] <tyhicks> and I have an embargoed issue
[16:37] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:37] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:38] <jjohansen> so I have to do a few followup items from hallway track discussions, get some pointers to things posted etc.
[16:39] <jjohansen> I have a bit of prep to do for the upcoming Ralley
[16:39] <jjohansen> I have a revision of the LSM stacking patches to get ready for the kt
[16:40] <jjohansen> and then its back to working on the revision of apparmor unix socket mediation so we can get it into the next pull request
[16:40] <jjohansen> thats it for me, sarnold you're up
[16:41] <sarnold> I'm on community this week; I own john some apparmor patch reviews, then return to the python-pyelftools MIR, then rally prep
[16:41] <sarnold> s/own/owe/
[16:41] <sarnold> I'll probably start another MIR this week so I'd appreciate a new top priority MIR pointer
[16:41] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> I've got firefox to update this week, although I'm still working through some issues with that
[16:42] <chrisccoulson> last week I had to spend quite a bit of time making the unity menubar patch work again, which is quite neglected now that I'm not using unity
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> I've got a trusty build failure to fix, which I think I've figured out just now
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> And there's an issue with safe browsing to figure out too (it doesn't work in our builds since mozilla switched to the new API)
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> Other than that, I've got chromium to test and publish
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> And no doubt I'll be spending more time updating rust and pulling hair out
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[16:44] <ratliff> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:45] <ratliff> I will spend some time doing default install audits
[16:45] <ratliff> I want to pull some images from the kpis to put into the weekly reports, so I will spend some time there and on other technical documentation tasks, and organizational tasks.
[16:46] <ratliff> leosilva: you are up next
[16:46] <leosilva> I'm bug triage this week.
[16:46] <leosilva> I get some updates to do and will keep hunting them during this week.
[16:46] <leosilva> that is for me, tyhicks , it's back to you
[16:47] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:47] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:47] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:47] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:47] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/festival.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/torbrowser-launcher.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gosa.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/thrift-compiler.html
[16:47] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ceph-deploy.html
[16:48] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:48] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:50] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff, leosilva: Thanks!
[16:50] <ratliff> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:50] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 18 16:50:20 2017 UTC.
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-09-18-16.32.moin.txt
[16:50] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[16:50] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks
[16:50] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:50] <leosilva> tks tyhicks


[13:19] <gmb> allenap: A branch for to review: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas-test/add-nodes-link-to-zone-list/+merge/199804
[13:19] <gmb> AAAAAA
[13:19] <gmb> Fiddlesticks
[13:20] <gmb> hang on
[13:30] <gmb> allenap: https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/maas/add-nodes-link-to-zone-list/+merge/199806


[03:27] <tjaalton> wonderful, mesa failed to build on md64
[03:38] <RAOF> Odd? Why?
[03:39] <Sarvatt> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/9.0~git20120903.e1673d20-0ubuntu1/+build/3768452
[03:40] <Sarvatt> thats bad, screwed updates for amd64 people
[03:40] <tjaalton> built just fine on my sbuilder, dammit
[03:41] <tjaalton> and my ppa it seems
[03:44] <Sarvatt> new git checkout probably fixes it, only like 30 radeon/llvm commits since then
[03:45] <Sarvatt> ok most of those are radeonsi we dont enable :)
[03:45] <tjaalton> sure we do
[03:45] <tjaalton> on mesa at least
[03:46] <Sarvatt> oh i was thinking USE_R600_LLVM_COMPILER
[03:46] <ajmitch> so it should be relatively safe at the moment to install from the q-lts-backport ppa, I assume?
[03:46]  * ajmitch can pick up pieces if things go wrong
[03:47] <Sarvatt> ajmitch: not sure, the guy updating that ppa has been on vacation for 2 weeks, it might not be ok
[03:47] <ajmitch> ah, he's still touring .au?
[03:47] <Sarvatt> lots of changes in quantal since then
[03:48] <Sarvatt> i've been on vacation too and havent kept up
[03:48]  * ajmitch mostly wanted the kernel, but new X on ivy bridge was tempting to try out
[03:48] <ajmitch> I'll wait for a bit before I update that part then
[03:48] <tjaalton> that is kept uptodate
[03:49] <tjaalton> by the kernel team, so go ahead and use the kernel
[03:49] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: it still has mesa 8.0.4, way out of date
[03:49] <tjaalton> just fine for ivy
[03:50] <Sarvatt> 3.6 kernel is the biggest boost for ivy at the moment
[03:50] <ajmitch> is that still likely to land for quantal?
[03:50] <tjaalton> who wants boost, stability is what I'm after :)
[03:51] <Sarvatt> nope 3.5
[03:51] <tjaalton> 3.4-> is what provides that
[03:51]  * ajmitch wants stability, this zareason laptop came with an odd 3.3.6 kernel from a PPA which is far from ideal
[03:52] <Sarvatt> zareason shipped a ppa with a 3.3 kernel?
[03:52] <Sarvatt> yeah 3.5 is way better off
[03:53] <Sarvatt> 3.2 had problems that is taking quite a long time to backport fixes to
[03:53] <ajmitch> yeah I suspect that's why they used what they did, but it has some serious issues, I prefer to recommend they use something tested
[03:56] <tjaalton> oh i'm not on ubuntu-announce, that's why didn't notice beta was released
[03:56] <ajmitch> you're missing out :)
[03:58] <tjaalton> before these were sent to u-d-a
[03:58] <Sarvatt> zareason is strange, they ship what works, theres lots of people paid to make 3.2 work for oems which we're doing for lenovo hp asus and dell but -proposed updates only come once every 3 weeks so it takes awhile, by now 3.2 in -proposed should be ok (aka 3.2.0-31) but 3.5.x aka quantal really is optimal for performance reasons
[03:58] <tjaalton> ah, didn't know we have mesa 9.0 in quantal..
[03:58] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: you uploaded it........
[03:58] <tjaalton> a snapshot, yes
[03:59] <tjaalton> oh well :)
[03:59] <ajmitch> Sarvatt: it is a bit strange, they're a small team & have set up a NZ shop recently, so I met them last weekend
[04:00] <tjaalton> just sent one more patch to backport to 3.2.x, no reply yet though
[04:02] <tjaalton> ben is probably on holiday, no activity since aug 19th
[04:02] <tjaalton> on the stable tree at least
[05:00] <tjaalton> triggered a mesa rebuild on amd64, went fine this time ..
[05:00] <tjaalton> bf ->
[05:01] <RAOF> --parallel issues?
[05:15] <tjaalton> most likely
[05:16] <Sarvatt> cool
[06:16] <RAOF> tjaalton: What was that -intel bug where compiz was hung with a black screen after resume, waiting for a swap that'll never complete?
[06:17] <RAOF> tjaalton: Nevermind; backscroll wins!
[06:17] <tjaalton> :)
[06:17] <tjaalton> 966744
[06:18] <tjaalton> so I've hit other bugs trying to reproduce that :/
[06:18] <tjaalton> +while
[06:23] <RAOF> tjaalton: Were you still reproducing that on Quantal? Jason Warner & Didier seem to be seeing it.
[06:24] <tjaalton> RAOF: yeah, but not that frequently
[06:24] <tjaalton> was it you or ickle who suggested to run compiz with xtrace
[06:25] <RAOF> ickle, I think.
[06:36] <tjaalton> uploaded intel-gpu-tools 1.3, forgot to close the bug on the changelog
[06:39] <RAOF> :)
[06:39] <tjaalton> "oops, no ffe"
[07:14] <tjaalton> RAOF: hey, could you accept gvfs for precise-proposed, fixes bug 819304
[09:14] <dileks> hi. are you planning mesa-9.0 backports in q-lts-backport ppa?
[09:20] <tjaalton> later
[09:20] <tjaalton> the whole stack will be copied
[09:20] <tjaalton> what gets in quantal
[09:22] <dileks> what means exactly later, one of the next betas or very later?
[09:22] <dileks> I can do packaging myself, thats not the problem.
[09:23] <tjaalton> it doesn't need packaging but running scripts
[09:23] <tjaalton> maybe next week once maarten is back from vacation
[09:23] <dileks> scripts sounds good
[09:23] <dileks> where are those "scripts"?
[09:24] <tjaalton> bzr somewhere, i was supposed to review them but.. :P
[09:24] <tjaalton> seem to be working fine
[09:25] <dileks> I was thinking of bumping to xserver-1.13 (final) and take sources for libdrm/intelgfx from quantal
[09:25] <dileks> hmm, v2.20.6 released of intelgfx ddx
[09:26] <tjaalton> can't wait until next week?
[09:27] <dileks> looks like I only need to rebuild quantal package
[09:28] <dileks> no. want to do some drm-intel-next testing.
[09:30] <tjaalton> then run quantal
[09:30] <dileks> maybe
[09:30] <dileks> just read today an article about q beta is released
[09:32] <dileks> anyway, got to go
[09:32] <dileks> thanks for the informations
[09:33] <tjaalton> yw
[10:36] <tjaalton> apw: did you have issues with the mesa in quantal? mind giving the newer snapshot a try if yes?
[10:36] <apw> tjaalton, is it in -proposed?
[10:36] <apw> tjaalton, or has it been in there a few days?
[10:36] <tjaalton> since after the beta, but hang on
[10:38] <apw> the machine which was very unwell has -proposed enabled and now seems ok
[10:38] <tjaalton> it went straight to quantal
[10:38] <tjaalton> but there are people saying that a compiz/unity update fixed it, probably papering over the actual bug
[10:38] <tjaalton> since compiz is using gles now
[10:38] <apw> tjaalton, yes then i think i see the same
[10:39] <apw> as the issue went away around monday
[10:39] <tjaalton> hmm
[10:40] <tjaalton> ok, well good to know that it's better, now to figure out how to find out if the old bug is still there
[10:40] <tjaalton> downgrading compiz isn't easy, I'm told