[02:58] <mapppp> Hi all
[02:58] <mapppp> Still no net at home :(
[02:58] <mapppp> Sucks big time
[07:12] <Guest33335> morning all
[07:13] <Moodoo> morning even
[08:04] <bashrc> good moaning
[08:07] <Moodoo> moaning
[08:11] <diplo> Morning
[08:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:30] <Moodoo> morning mate
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Arthritis Day! 😃
[09:01]  * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of arthritis...
[09:01] <JamesTait> Though probably not if you suffer with arthritis.
[09:03] <davmor2> more of a grimace when you suffer with it
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:12] <bashrc> morning
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[09:16] <bashrc> I noticed LAS peddling Canonical rumours
[09:35] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: They were more playing a "What if..." game I think.
[09:36] <bashrc> probably
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> The MS rumours were doing the rounds, seems reasonable enough to discuss.
[09:36] <bashrc> I was listening and thinking that I heard similar things years ago
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> didn't ms undertake to never release a version of unix after they sold xenix?  wouldn't linux count to a bunch of smart lawyers if they ever did release a version of linux?
[09:41] <Moodoo> haven't they already released one on their switches or what ever i read a few days ago
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> but that's internal and not on the markt
[09:58] <foobarry> so... my number of terminals is out of control
[09:58] <foobarry> should i switch to terminator or other app? byobu?
[09:59] <foobarry> tmux?
[10:00] <awilkins> Byobu is just a skin on screen / tmux, no?
[10:00]  * zmoylan-pi likes tmux but it is the only multiplexor that i've used...
[10:00] <JohnHunt> if you don't know tmux, get to know
[10:00] <JohnHunt> it's way nicer than screen
[10:05] <foobarry> so tmux > terminator?
[10:06] <JohnHunt> no
[10:06] <JohnHunt> it's not like terminator
[10:06] <JohnHunt> (if I remember what terminator is correctly)
[10:07] <JohnHunt> terminator is a normal client terminal app right?
[10:07] <diplo> Yep
[10:07] <JohnHunt> which can be split
[10:07] <diplo> Yep
[10:07] <diplo> I launch terminator and as I log into a client auto start byobu
[10:09] <JohnHunt> byobu looks a lot like tmu
[10:09] <JohnHunt> x
[10:10] <JohnHunt> *a lot*
[10:11] <JohnHunt> just some kind of config for it or something
[10:11] <popey> it _is_ tmux under the hood
[10:11] <popey> was screen, now tmux
[10:11] <JohnHunt> yeah, I was gonna say
[10:11] <JohnHunt> :p
[10:12] <awilkins> I use byobu wherever I want such a feature now
[10:13] <awilkins> Not having to learn funky escape sequences is fine by me
[10:13] <awilkins> I imagine you can do cool things like change the status line colour to something scary for production servers
[10:16] <davmor2> foobarry: byobu is nice nested is a little
[10:16] <davmor2> meh
[10:16] <JohnHunt> awilkins: I do that on tmux
[10:16] <JohnHunt> :set status-bg color123
[10:16]  * foobarry old man brain is getting confused
[10:17] <JohnHunt> though it's probably easlier on byobu
[10:17] <foobarry> i have lots of terminals that i need to conslolidate
[10:17] <foobarry> what should i do?
[10:18] <awilkins> The zealot devops line would be "Stop treating your servers as pets and start treating them like cattle!"
[10:18] <JohnHunt> lol
[10:18] <JohnHunt> conslolidate
[10:18] <JohnHunt> I've been doing too much sysadmin stuff recently
[10:19] <JohnHunt> gets a bit tiring
[10:19] <foobarry> anyone want a new job?
[10:19] <foobarry> have someinteresting roles
[10:19] <foobarry> one of them would be good for a techie leaning person who loves maths
[10:20] <JohnHunt> yeah if the pay is about 70k or more
[10:20] <JohnHunt> and I can work from st ives cambs
[10:20] <foobarry> nope
[10:20] <JohnHunt> ah
[10:24] <diplo> JohnHunt / foobarry : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NawuGmcvKus
[10:24] <diplo> Guy who wrote byobu
[10:25] <diplo> foobarry: I think I need to come down and visit and see this place of yours and make a decision of working away from home :)
[10:26] <foobarry> we haz 3 jobs
[10:27] <foobarry> actually 4: infrastructure dude, sysadmin, apps specialist (spend all day compiling packages and optimising them) and hpc queue guy
[10:27] <foobarry> so many ideal jobs
[10:27] <diplo> First two are pretty much what I do now
[10:27] <foobarry> imagine getting paid to compile and optimise apps
[10:28] <foobarry> that youtube vid broke my firefox :(
[10:28] <diplo> It was the Mozart! :D
[10:31] <foobarry> sysadmin needs to like nagios, puppet, and generally learning useful things and helping people make more awesomes
[10:31] <diplo> I use ansible but have looked at puppet, Nagios we use too..
[10:32] <foobarry> maybe u should send me your cv to look at anyway
[10:33] <foobarry> where are u ? bristols?
[10:33] <diplo> Probably needs an update, but will do
[10:42] <Moodoo> jobs all around
[13:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: just read you northern in London at lunch nearly wet myself laughin :)
[13:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: the best of it is you evil genius I'm down in London on Thursday :D
[13:22] <diddledan> julian assange can go walkabout at last: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34508500
[13:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, it did make me chuckle. ☺
[14:01] <Azelphur> well this is odd, I just got the customs bill for my monitors
[14:01] <Azelphur> they want £330 in VAT, the invoice is for $2207.60, which is £1438.23, 20% of which is £287.65 :S
[14:02] <davmor2> Azelphur: feel free to argue then
[14:03] <Azelphur> yea I just called and questioned it, they said they are going to look into it
[14:03] <Azelphur> on top of the £330, they are charging me £202.93 in "Duty"
[14:03] <Azelphur> I thought I only had to pay VAT to get it in
[14:04] <Azelphur> (So total bill of a whopping £546.82, or 38% of the total price of the invoice)
[14:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: hahahahahaha foolish mortal
[14:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: You didn't think you were going to get a bargain did you?
[14:05] <Azelphur> Dunno if anyone knows about this stuff / sounds right
[14:05] <Azelphur> well I figured I'd get charged 20% (£287.65)
[14:05] <mjayk> if $2207 is ex vat then £340 sounds about right for 20%
[14:05] <mjayk> ignore me
[14:05] <mjayk> im a tired moron
[14:05] <Azelphur> lol was gonna say, uwot :P
[14:06] <mjayk> lets forget im here again
[14:06] <davmor2> Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
[14:06] <Azelphur> apparently I can fill in a form if they charge me too much, so that's interesting
[14:07] <diddledan> does the inland revenue accept bitcoin?
[14:07] <Azelphur> lol
[14:07] <diddledan> err, that's an out-dated name.. I obv meant HMRC
[14:07]  * diddledan feels foolish now
[14:08] <davmor2> diddledan: why should today be different ;)
[14:08] <diddledan> davmor2: point well made
[15:15] <davmor2> this made me smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
[15:18] <Azelphur> https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3ogd7y/is_uk_customs_overcharging_me/cvwxyaq hmm this is interesting
[15:18] <Azelphur> can anyone find a page from HMRC that says that is correct? I'm having trouble finding one
[15:21] <intrbiz> Azelphur: VAT?
[15:21] <Azelphur> intrbiz: ?
[15:26] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ hahahahaha
[15:47] <Azelphur> yea, I really think Fedex are trying to rip me off here
[15:48] <Azelphur> Computer monitors are supposed to be duty free
[15:48] <diddledan> davmor2: lol, the spice girls part got my off guard
[15:49] <diddledan> me*
[15:49] <davmor2> diddledan: :)
[15:51] <diddledan> lol, that's a really good video
[15:52] <diddledan> I'm worried about what the spice girls want to do to babies tho
[15:55] <davmor2> diddledan: hahaha
[15:56] <davmor2> diddledan: nearly as bad as spears
[16:02] <intrbiz> Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
[16:02] <Azelphur> intrbiz: makes no mention of monitors
[16:05] <davmor2> Azelphur: it say goods from no eu countries
[16:05] <davmor2> non even
[16:47] <diddledan> edward snowden is discovering he now possesses the power of slashdot effect
[16:47] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653612540572864512
[17:39] <daftykins> i return!
[17:39] <daftykins> lol @ re-banned in #ubuntu over the weekend
[17:40] <directhex> urgh #ubuntu
[17:41] <daftykins> you suffered in there too, directhex ?
[17:41] <directhex> it's like #debian but polite
[17:44] <diddledan> who got banned?
[17:44] <diddledan> wb daftykins
[17:44] <daftykins> ty sir! i did.
[17:44] <diddledan> any explanation as to why?
[17:44] <daftykins> not for the second time
[17:44] <diddledan> bah. silly ops
[17:44] <diddledan> I swear they have a thing against your drive failure detection rate
[17:45] <daftykins> in fairness i did do wrong, but i did also follow procedure to get unbanned
[17:45] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:45] <daftykins> yeah they must just hate me for singing Another One Bites the Dust by Queen so often
[17:45] <diddledan> :-p
[17:45] <diddledan> canada is having turkey today - https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/653627474207723520
[17:46] <daftykins> man i'm so glad i didn't buy that cheap ebay Dell XPS 13, they've released news of respinning them with Intel's skylake 6th gen CPUs now - and not only that but making them better with thunderbolt and USB C in for gigabit LAN and charging 8)
[17:46] <diddledan> ooh
[17:47] <diddledan> and there's a new windows insider build for PCs today
[17:48] <daftykins> ah ha, cheers - though i find installing those updates is the sole reason i boot that spare PC now XD
[17:48] <diddledan> lol
[17:48] <daftykins> i saw a Surface Pro 3 in Dixons Travel in the departure lounge of Gatwick Airport today as it goes
[17:49] <daftykins> very disappointed in them for how they only stock those and fugging Apple machines nowadays
[17:49] <diddledan> I'm interested in the surfacebook they announced on tuesday
[17:49] <daftykins> my main client always used to pick up the lovely Sony ultraportables from there
[17:54] <diddledan> I really must get around to watching max's furry driveway
[17:55] <daftykins> i keep getting told of that too
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> i might have a wander and see the martian in the cinema... and not wait for dvd
[18:04] <daftykins> sounds good! i didn't get a chance in the end whilst away
[18:04] <daftykins> too many dinner parties were attended
[18:04] <daftykins> (suddenly feel my age saying that ;) )
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> just calm your nerves at your club with a glass of their finest port while reading the papers
[18:07] <daftykins> that's a good idea!
[18:08] <daftykins> so whilst away i advised on an SSD purchase, helped with a reinstall of win10... helped with a reinstall of xubuntu on an old low spec laptop - and also helped a university department IT staffer diagnose non-working LAN on a Linux laptop :)
[18:08] <daftykins> smug mode </Kryten>
[18:09] <zmoylan-pi> last time i was in hospital i repaired a mans glasses with swiss army knife, showed a doctor how to use electronic medical records system and how to use phone as ereader to a nurse... :-)
[18:12] <daftykins> :D
[18:12] <daftykins> that's the spirit
[18:12] <daftykins> diddledan: when are we gonna get our buddy shauno back?
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> took my mind off the pain
[18:15] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:15] <diddledan> no idea :-(
[18:16] <diddledan> last time I was in hospital I had morphine - everything else was irrelevant
[18:16] <daftykins> :)
[18:17] <diddledan> least I assume it was morphine - some kind of anaesthetic anywho
[18:17] <daftykins> i was coherent enough to see a lad who works IT that i know and ask him why the free wifi sucked so hard
[18:17] <diddledan> coming round from an op I was
[18:17] <daftykins> wouldn't let me RDP home on a non-standard port, or IRC
[18:17] <diddledan> grr @ wifi
[18:18] <diddledan> dns tunnels bypass even idiotic sysadmins' restrictions :-p
[18:18] <daftykins> i never did play with one of those for pay-for or blocked wifi shenanigans
[18:20] <diddledan> alternatively if https is allowed you can try an sstp tunnel
[18:21] <diddledan> (sstp on port 443)
[18:21] <diddledan> that can sometimes be killed by the middleman doing weird transparent proxying of https tho :-(
[18:22] <diddledan> luckily most folk aren't doing that so all is good
[18:22] <diddledan> for the middleman to effectively do transparent https proxy they need some device that manages to create valid https certificates
[18:23] <diddledan> so most middlemen just say "port 443 is allowed" and leave it there
[18:23] <daftykins> found any phone apps doing that in a friendly package?
[18:24] <diddledan> hmm. I don't know what the coverage is for sstp on mobile devices :-/
[18:30] <diddledan> apparently justin beiber is on the internet waving his wily werewolf
[18:30] <daftykins> some folk get way too excited about the new releases ;)
[18:30] <diddledan> lol
[18:31] <DJones> daftykins: Are you ok for a pm?
[18:32] <daftykins> DJones: sure
[18:49] <diddledan> dafty and DJ sitting in a tree..
[18:49] <diddledan> :-p
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> p m i n g...
[18:50] <daftykins> *whistle*
[21:19] <Moodoo> evening all
[21:20] <daftykins> heya
[21:20] <Moodoo> :)
[21:21] <Moodoo> just hanging about while laptop update to wily
[21:24] <daftykins> :D
[21:24] <Moodoo> either my internet connection sucks or gb.archive is being slow, 857kb/s sigh
[21:25] <daftykins> haha, that as a slow speed truly speaks of modern + 1st world times :)
[21:25] <daftykins> granted it's only single-digits megabit
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> if everyone is updating now then speeds will suck
[21:25] <diddledan> do you mean kb or KB?
[21:25] <Moodoo> kB/s
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> plus all those netflix users before midnight
[21:26] <Moodoo> i mean 23mins to download a gig, that's terrible ;)
[21:26] <diddledan> yes. my connection often reaches 15MB/s :-p
[21:27] <Moodoo> I'm also on a wi-fi connection although normally i get at least 1 or 2MB/s
[21:27] <Moodoo> virgin media are giving me a free upgrade in jan lol
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> i must make a live distro of 15.10 to see how it goes on lenovo laptop...
[21:28] <daftykins> wily is only out when diddledan does the bot trigger and ubottu gets angry
[21:28] <diddledan> !isitoutyet
[21:28] <lubotu3`> Not yet!
[21:29] <diddledan> they fixed it :-p
[21:29] <Moodoo> pmsl beat me to it :D
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> i thought wily was out when acme delivered the roller skates and rocket powered jetpack?
[21:29] <Moodoo> for now though - http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[21:29] <daftykins> :)
[21:29] <Moodoo> wow not used that one in a while :d
[21:39] <daftykins> nn folks, early one for me \o
[21:40] <Moodoo> nn
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> o/


[09:27] <freaj> Hello everyone, how can I stop "gnome help" from being launched every time I'm logged in?
[09:32] <darkxst> freaj, it should only launch on the first login
[09:37] <darkxst> freaj you should have "~/.cache/gnome-getting-started-docsseen-getting-started-guide" that stops it launching on subsequent boots
[09:38] <darkxst> "~/.cache/gnome-getting-started-docs/seen-getting-started-guide"
[09:39] <freaj> Oh, that's why..
[09:40] <freaj> I use an SSD and I mounted .cache as a tmpfs..
[09:41] <darkxst> just uninstall gnome-gettings-started-docs then
[09:42] <darkxst> though I don't think its generally a good idea to mount .cache on tmpfs
[09:51] <freaj> darkxst: It was recommended on arch tho
[09:51] <freaj> As things like your web browser would write cache on tmpfs
[09:51] <freaj> Anyway, thanks for your help
[09:51] <freaj> If something else is disturbing because of my .cache I'll drop the tmpfs
[09:52] <freaj> it doesn't find the package gnome-gettings-started-docs :P
[09:54] <darkxst>  gnome-getting-started-docs
[09:55] <freaj> oh
[09:55] <freaj> thanks!
[10:30] <darkxst> freaj, I run my apt-cacher-ng on SSD, can download an entire dist-upgrade in minutes
[10:36] <freaj> apt-cacher-ng?
[10:38] <darkxst> freaj, its caches all the debian packages you download
[10:38] <darkxst> useful if you have serveral systems or run lots of packaging builds
[10:39] <freaj> darkxst: right, but I'm more into saving my SSD as much as possible so it lasts longer :)
[10:40] <darkxst> they are not that short-lived!
[11:32] <freaj> darkxst: I don't know, I got mine last july
[11:32] <freaj> I just want it to last a while :P
[11:37] <darkxst> it will take *years* for you to kill it .cache!
[12:02] <freaj> darkxst: rrrr!
[12:02] <freaj> I'm using mumble, and the microphone doesn't work..
[12:02] <freaj> Tried pavucontrol, alsamixer etc
[12:02] <freaj> Sounds like the microphone is "off"
[12:02] <freaj> Could tlp or something related be the source of that issue?
[13:14] <freaj> yep.. it was tlp


[00:00] <JanC> at least, that's what I hear from people who use it
[00:01] <JanC> like hiding your own mails you send to a mailing list
[00:10] <JanC> about filtering: maybe gmail does rely too much on the fact that mail is forwarded, somehow?
[00:11] <JanC> as some peopel complain it filters not (enough) and others complain it filters too much?
[00:32] <rww> You'd probably get a better response in a channel where GMail's on-topic, like #ubuntu-offtopic.
[00:44] <JanC> rww: to be honest, I was just ranting I guess (sort of tired to clean up the mess google made from their "mail" offerings)
[00:45] <JanC> so yeah, off-topic here...  ;)
[00:47] <JanC> and sorry for that
[17:49] <althara> Hi I have a uestion about getting the locobot on #ubuntu-us-wa
[17:49] <althara> *question
[17:50] <rww> althara: Are you looking for a logging bot or a factoid bot?
[17:50] <althara> logging
[17:50] <althara> I've emailed<EMAIL_ADDRESS>almost two months ago and never heard back
[17:51] <rww> althara: email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>asking for ubuntulog to be added to your channel. The LoCo-specific logging bots are deprecated in favor of Canonical's irclogs.ubuntu.com bot now.
[17:51] <Pici> althara: The locobots are no longer being used for logging.
[17:51] <Pici> What rww said ;)
[17:52] <althara> this is out of date then: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat#LogBots
[17:52] <Pici> althara: yes, I'll update it.
[17:54] <althara> thanks
[20:53] <zdendo> Can I modify "source: CD-tray" for my Canon MP500? It is printing 5mm out of center.
[20:58] <AndrewMC> zdendo: try #ubuntu this isnt a support channel


[00:23] <wizardslovak> hello people
[00:23] <wizardslovak> so is here anyone who can help me with postfix-dovecot ?
[00:24] <benc2> after editing a boot-script, do I need to do something?
[00:25] <wizardslovak> restart
[00:26] <benc2> thanks
[00:26] <benc2> and how do I deactivate a boot-script?
[00:27] <wizardslovak> that i dont know
[00:27] <benc2> ok
[00:27] <wizardslovak> i am newbie in all this
[00:53] <storrgie> just formatted, now I dont get any autocomplete in the terminal.... why?
[01:35] <wizardslovak> how to install SASL?
[01:40] <twb> sasl support for what?
[02:53] <maek> I copied a vmware image of ubuntu server. it has a new mac address but when It boots up it fails to see eth0? any idea. is there a file some place that tied to the old mac?
[02:55] <maek> sorry google
[02:57] <jmarsden> maek: Well, you *can* put a mac address into /etc/network/interfaces, but I don't think that is done by default.
[02:58] <maek> jmarsden: I read something about /etc/iftab but thats gone
[02:59] <maek> ah
[03:00] <jmarsden> Maybe   grep -ril mac /etc   # would find a relevant file?
[03:01] <maek> oh, didnt know about recursive grep, thats cool. no more find . | xargs
[03:01] <maek> thanks
[03:02] <jmarsden> :)  No problem.  I think that's a GNU grep extension; it's been there for at least a decade or so, maybe longer.
[03:03] <maek> haha, ive been living under the Sun
[03:04] <jmarsden> That would explain it :)
[03:04] <maek> it was in /etc/udev/rules.d/*net.rules
[03:04] <maek> it was holding onto the mac from the cloned image
[03:05] <jmarsden> Good, I'm glad you found it ... Googling for ubuntu mac address didn't get me much beyond pages explaining you to find out your own mac address...
[03:05] <maek> I did "vmware ubuntu copy no network" 3rd hit
[03:06] <boredandblogging> dendrobates: ping
[03:09] <maek> jmarsden: thanks for the help and the grep -ril :) have a good night
[03:09] <jmarsden> No problem.  Goodnight.
[03:21] <oh_noes> Maybe a long shot ... but anyone know a Supermicro Motherboard (S775) which isn't FakeRAID in Ubuntu Server?
[03:22] <twb> ALL raid found on a motherboard is fakeraid
[03:23] <twb> And fakeraid is always fakeraid -- it doesn't matter what OS you run.
[03:23] <twb> jmarsden: I really hate that rule where it learns MACs
[03:24] <twb> It causes me no end of trouble when dealing with bootable removable media
[03:25] <oh_noes> (12:22:57 PM) twb: ALL raid found on a motherboard is fakeraid <- that's not entirely true.   Maybe for Desktop boards.
[03:25] <jmarsden> twb: Isn't there some way to disable the rule generation script that creates those rules?  Feels like their should be.
[03:25] <oh_noes> My question is, for a Supermicro SERVER board, what RAID chipset should I be looking at that isnt FakeRAID to Ubuntu
[03:25] <oh_noes> I have a few IBM x3550's, which work perfectly as proper RAID.  Because they are true Hardware RAID, just built on with the board
[03:26] <twb> jmarsden: there is, but it's totally obtuse
[03:26] <twb> jmarsden: on a modern system, you can't just delete the entry that generates it -- because that's now in /usr
[03:26] <twb> jmarsden: instead, you have to make an EMPTY file with the same name in /etc/udev/rules.d
[03:27] <oh_noes> Another way to ask my same question, how can I find out if a  LSI 1068E Controller will be detected as FakeRAID to ubuntu?
[03:27] <jmarsden> Hmmm... this should at least be documented somewhere easy to find... is there a page on wiki.ubuntu.com about it or something similar?
[03:29] <twb> oh_noes: I dunno about server boards, but AFAIK the IBM server we got used fakeraid.
[03:29] <jmarsden> oh_noes: There might be a way to grep through the kernel sources looking for its PCI ID and see what gets done with it. but that feels... harder than it should be.
[03:30] <twb> *I dunno *much* about server boards, I should've said
[03:32] <oh_noes> the IBM x3550 we have here installed without an issue as real RAID
[03:32] <oh_noes> let me ask in a different way, how do I find a controller (even if its seperate PCIe) that will not be dected as FakeRAID by Ubuntu?
[03:35] <twb> oh_noes: how do you know it's real raid?
[03:35] <jmarsden> I'm not sure.  There is info on that contrioller and Ubuntu and RAID in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-973912.html
[03:38] <oh_noes> twb: because it appears as a single disk to Ubuntu installation.   (and it's a $6000 x3550 SAS IBM ServRAID RAID 1 Mirror)
[03:38] <twb> oh_noes: that doesn't mean it's hardware raid
[03:39] <twb> When fakeraid is actually working, it will appear as a single disk to ubuntu.
[03:39] <oh_noes> Then what's the definition of hardware raid
[03:39] <twb> It's only the lowest end of fakeraid that doesn't even manage that.
[03:39] <twb> oh_noes: no, hardware raid does raid using a coprocessor -- fakeraid does it using the main, general-purpose GPU.
[03:39] <jmarsden> oh_noes: That the controller chip does the work rather than pushing it off onto the host CPU
[03:39] <twb> s/GPU/CPU/
[03:39] <oh_noes> well.... to tell my truth, my main concern is to have the RAID handled by the Board.  So hotswap and instant rebuild is handled by the controller
[03:40] <oh_noes> whether IOPS are handled by the CPU isn't my major concern
[03:40] <oh_noes> the box we're building, we need the physical hotswap port to work with the controller to rebuild
[03:40] <twb> oh_noes: it also means you need to shut down your OS to manage the array
[03:40] <oh_noes> there is no array management, we're building predefined boxes (w/ RAID1) then thats it
[03:40] <twb> oh_noes: or run binary vendor blobs that will probably break randomly when you perform security updates.
[03:40] <oh_noes> theres no changing things etc
[03:42] <twb> oh_noes: well, lucky you, I guess...
[03:42] <jmarsden> oh_noes: One way to check controllers could be to read the kernel documentation for the various real RAID drivers such as aacraid, they list what controllers they support...
[03:43] <twb> FWIW: http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html
[03:44] <twb> 12:48 <russm> but anyway, grovel through the kernel logs for raid-type controllers is the best answer I've got...
[03:46] <oh_noes> twb: ta for the link, jst what i was looking for
[03:47] <twb> Looking at this IBM poster here, I guess you are using the "IBM ServeRAID controller".
[03:47] <twb> Google implies this is fakeraid
[03:48] <twb> Specifically, that it's a rebadged Adaptec HostRAID
[03:50] <twb> BTW, as you claim don't need to manage the array... how do you plan to be notified when the array becomes degraded?
[03:51] <jmarsden> In case it helps, in the kernel sources Documentation/scsi/aacraid.txt mentions that controller, and aacraid is (I think) a "real" RAID driver, so how fake it is may be somewhat open to interpretation?
[03:51] <twb> jmarsden: I suppose the internet could be wrong :-)
[03:53] <jmarsden> twb: If aacraid sees the array the way it sees other Adaptec RAID controllers, I'd expect it to handle the degradation notification in the same way too...
[03:53] <twb> jmarsden: righto!
[03:54] <oh_noes> Hrmm, it looks like the "3ware 8006-2LP" will suit me needs as well.  True 2 port SATA Hardware RAID1.
[03:54] <oh_noes> how do I find out 100% that its supported as true hardware RAID in Ubuntu?
[03:55] <oh_noes> 3ware.com says: "Linux 2.6.x kernel includes a driver for the 8000 series controller" -- doesnt say if its FakeRAID though
[03:55] <jmarsden> I don't think many vendors will advertize "our controllers are fakeraid" -- not a good marketing tactic :)
[03:57] <twb> I've never seen a vendor mention fakeraid :-)
[03:57] <oh_noes> According to http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html, it's real Hardware RAID
[03:57] <twb> 3ware traditionally make hardware raid, AFAIK
[03:58] <twb> That doesn't mean ALL their stuff is necessarily hardware raid, though...
[03:58] <oh_noes> the page i linked above is really helpful, seems to list most controllers and if they are real/fake raid
[03:59] <oh_noes> twb: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#ibm :)
[03:59] <jmarsden> I'd say a 3ware controller that Rick Moen says is hardware RAID is *very* likely to be hardware RAID.  If you need 100%... you'd have to read the kernel driver sources, I think.
[03:59] <twb> jmarsden: nice one
[03:59] <twb> If Rick Moen says something, it is probably true
[04:00] <twb> To be 100% certain you'd have to visually inspect the board and find the coprocessor, then watch the electrons travel to and from it
[04:03] <jmarsden> And it seems "ServeRAID" is a meaningless marketing term for "whatever IBM rebadges", so some are hardware and some are not.  So maybe twb's ServRAID is fakeraid and oh_noes' ServeRAID is hardware RAID...
[04:04] <twb> Actually I never used my IBM RAID becaue $boss accidentally bought the one without RAID5 support :-/
[04:04] <twb> But it didn't bother me so much, because I love md RAID.
[05:56] <TimReichhart> could anybody tell me the code for forwarding emails inside of mysql?
[06:12] <niels_> I just installed Jaunty Server and I had to choose Lilo as a BootLoader, cause GRUB couldn't get installed. Now, if I boot the server all I get are tons of 99 on the screen.Has anyone got an idea what went wrong and how to solve that?
[06:15] <twb> niels_: that happens if you try to put /boot inside LVM
[06:15] <twb> Or inside RAID5
[06:16] <twb> You're getting 99s on screen because LILO hasn't work, either.
[06:17] <niels_> twb: I haven't configured LVM at all...
[06:17] <niels_> Ahhh...the RAID might be Prob, though
[06:17] <niels_> twb: Thx
[06:18] <twb> You must make a separate RAID1 array for /boot
[06:21] <niels_> hmm...I have a Hardware RAID-6 here...
[06:38] <twb> There's no such thing as RAID6.
[06:39] <jmarsden> twb: Says who?  It's defined as RAID5 plus an extra parity drive so it tolerates two simultaneous disk failures, if I remember rightly...
[06:39] <twb> jmarsden: no, that's still RAID5.
[06:39] <niels_> twb: well there is - at least you can configure your array in the Adaptec RAID Utility as a RAID-6
[06:39] <twb> But vendors call RAID5 with two parity drives "RAID6" sometimes, in an effort to confuse and annoy me, personally.
[06:40] <jmarsden> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID also defines RAID6...  another personal attack on you, I assume...
[06:40] <twb> Oops, apparently I'm wrong
[06:40] <twb> Neevr mind.
[06:41] <niels_> ;-)
[06:41] <twb> But I stand by RAID10 being nonsense
[06:59] <sammy> okay, just in case I'm missing something: 9.04 shipped with 2.6.28. there's a bug in 2.6.28 that halts my box on boot. its (supposedly!) fixed in 2.6.29. I'd like to install 9.04 onto this box. I should install 8.10, build the 2.6.29 kernel, then do a dist-update to 9.04? if there was a 2.6.29 package, I *could* create a custom install CD. but that seems like much more work
[07:01] <sammy> I can't see any other way to get 9.04 installed. I certainly can't use this nice pretty cd I just burned :P btw the bug is with my drive controller, the one I need to use to install 9.04. otherwise I could use some kernel command line magic to keep the offending module from loading, I bet.
[07:06] <jmarsden> sammy: Boot from LiveCD, tweak so relevant module does not load, install from there... maybe???
[07:54] <tv7497> guys is there a way to monitor what files are uploaded and download from my server well i have a lamp and openssh server , well most of my friends use filezilla sftp protocol to access my server and download files is it possible to monitor these transaction? i use jaunty on a 64bit system
[07:56] <tv7497> guys anyone ?
[07:57] <niels_> how ill I get rid of Grub not being installed on my system. It fails with the error code 1. What else is seen on the tty is that ext2fs and ext3fs wont be found...what an unreal suprise
[07:57] <niels_> If I would finish the install without having grub installed how will I boot the server?
[07:58] <niels_> LILO isn't an alternate choice as LILO has got major probs, as far as I know, with RAID systems
[08:01] <jmarsden> tv7497: Try turning up the logging level of your sshd?  man 5 sshd_config
[08:02] <tv7497> jmarsden: how do i do it well i am really new to this
[08:02] <jmarsden> niels_: You'll want to figure out why GRUB is failing to install and fix that; as a temporary approach you might be able to boot from some other media, such as a CD or usb stick, but it is going to be awkward.
[08:03] <jmarsden> tv7497: Did you read that man page?
[08:03] <jmarsden> Type the command man 5 sshd_config and read it... :)
[08:03] <tv7497> jmarsden: thanks :)
[08:04] <jmarsden> I'm about to go to bed, I can't handhold you through actually editing the config file, but basically you'll just want to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config appropriately (to set a more verbose logging level) and restart sshd.  Then look in the log files under /var/log for the resulting log entries.
[08:04] <niels_> jmarsden: I can't get that far on the server :-(
[08:05] <jmarsden> niels_: You can't boot it from a LiveCD and specify root=/dev/whatever to use the hard drive's root partition...?
[08:06] <jmarsden> Anyway, I'm off to sleep... goodnight all :)
[08:07] <niels_> cu jmarsden
[08:08] <niels_> have a decent sleep, though and thaks again
[08:18] <niels_> thats kinda weird now: If I say stop the installation without having a bootloader installed I'm getting told that the partioning setup of the harddrives haven't been made.Well I have made the partitioning of the drives...What's going on here?Anyone an idea?
[08:24] <bubba> myphpadmin wouldnt install on my windows box..any advice?
[08:26] <niels_> bubba: what's got phpmyadmin and $$$XP to do with ubuntu servers?
[08:28] <bubba> i want to administer my ubuntu server using my windows box remotely.  Am I doing something wrong?
[08:28] <niels_> bubba: if you would have asked $searchengine you would have come across that Tut http://www.sebastiansulinski.co.uk/web_design_tutorials/tutorial/8/how_to_install_phpmyadmin_on_windows_xp
[08:28] <niels_> does that help?
[08:29] <bubba> i will try that but mainly none of my php ext are opening up in my windows browser?
[08:30] <niels_> ask in a Win Forum then, its got nothing do with Ubuntu
[08:30] <bubba> thx
[08:31] <stanman1> hi, could anyone help me a bit with rsync? I get read permission errors on some paths (/var/www)
[08:32] <stanman1> do i need to add the rsyncinguser to www-data?
[08:32] <tv7497> jmarsden: well i don't seem getting any thing of that :( well i tried reading logs of what are the last transaction happened from (/var/log/auth.log) but i wasnt able to understand anything , could you help me with any simple kinda of thing that would let me know whats happening in my server and
[08:36] <niels_> stanman1: maybe you should see 1st what the permissions on /var/ww/ are and than you might want to change them...
[08:36] <niels_> stanman1: another thing nice to have,if xou want help, is to tell us what exactly you are doing
[08:36] <stanman1> niels_: am a bit afraid to do so, as i run ispconfig on the machine hosting several shared site
[08:37] <stanman1> i want to move from one machine to another, using openvz containers
[08:37] <stanman1> i can ssh into both boxes and start rsync, but in the end i get some errors
[08:37] <tv7497> niels_: is there a way to monitor what files are uploaded and download from my server well i have a lamp and openssh server , well most of my friends use filezilla sftp protocol to access my server and download files is it possible to monitor these transaction? i use jaunty on a 64bit system
[08:41] <stanman1> should i run rsync as root?
[08:41] <niels_> can't you just use the vzmigrate command?
[08:42] <niels_> vzmigrate --online <user@host>
[08:42] <stanman1> i did the vzdump an moved it all to the new server, all port 80 traffic is running to the new one
[08:42] <stanman1> but to move the Maildirs i need to rsync first before routing mail to the new server
[08:43] <niels_> I guess vzmigrate would've been the better choice, but I'm not sure as I am not quite familiar with OpneVZ
[08:44] <niels_> That might be a good place for your probs, too. At least i would try to find someone there If you want to talk to the OpenVZ users and sometimes developers live, we can usually be found on the #openvz channel on irc.freenode.net.
[08:44] <sammy> jmarsden: if youre still around, thats a good suggestion, but the offending module is the ide controller the drive I want to install 9.04 on is connected to :P so disabling it wont help.
[08:44] <niels_> sorry, that i cant give you any better advice
[08:45] <stanman1> no probs niels, thanks for the info anyway.
[08:45] <sammy> how would I go about finding how long it should be until 2.6.29 has a package? I used to compile my own kernel for years, but one of the whole reasons of using ubuntu now is so I don't have to :P
[08:45] <niels_> sammy: jmarsden went already to bed :-)
[08:45] <sammy> it must already have a package in debian somewhere
[08:47] <sammy> sorry niels_, I didn't go through everything I missed. I think I'm just stuck with installing 8.10, compiling the kernel, then doing a dist-upgrade
[08:47] <niels_> No worries ;-)
[08:47] <sammy> though maybe the udma66 just doesn't matter that much
[08:48] <niels_> I dont even remember what you are trying or to fix...I ended up with reinstalling Jaunty Server and I hope that he'll now writes the Grub Bootloader into the NBR
[08:49] <niels_> Actually the system is still formatting, well 6TB may take a while ;-)
[08:50] <sammy> oh. my second onboard IDE controller's driver is borked in 2.6.28, which means I can't install server 9.04 using udma66 since the first controller only does udmda33
[08:50] <niels_> Thats unreal...kind of
[08:51] <sammy> whats great is 2.6.29 supposedly has it fixed. so I can install 8.10, compile 2.6.29 by hand (or using whatever little CLI scripts or GUI ubuntu has) and then do a dist-upgrade to 9.04 :P
[08:52] <sammy> and at this point I might just use the #$^*#* udma33 controller, install 9.04, and wait until the 2.6.29 package reaches jaunty-um... not backports. whatever the 'unless you enable this repository, you wont see this until karmic koala' one is.
[08:53] <sammy> maybe I'll get one of my linux newb friends to compile the kernel by hand. if I wanted to do it, I'd stick with gentoo :)
[08:54] <sammy> I've done my time learning how to hand compile things. i've earned pre-compiled binaries! though, HA it's a p3, so, I should probably compile my own kernel anyway, for the sake of every bit of free memory
[08:55] <sammy> okay I'm just going on by myself now. I'm going to move that drive to the udma3 controller and install 9.04 :) I have two jabber servers, an apache server, asterisk and openldap to migrate. cheers, and have fun waiting for your 6tb to format :P
[08:55] <niels_> sammy: have fun as well
[08:58] <niels_> I might go for a smoke and a coffee
[09:00] <sammy> oh a smoke! good idea.
[09:01] <niels_> yep ;-)
[09:01] <niels_> cu soonish
[09:27] <tty> hi all. i have some php files using odbc_connect. i cannt get them working under ubuntu server with lamp. i tried freetds unsuccesfully
[09:27] <tty> any tips?
[09:27] <tty> :)
[09:28] <CrummyGummy> run now! Simple dist-upgrade today on a firewall box has left my server down. Its incredible.
[09:30] <simplexio> tty: just a quess, but should you get unic odbc working before using odbc connections
[09:38] <huats> Hello everyone
[09:38] <huats> soren: hey
[09:38] <huats> I am currently lookig at the virstinst merge
[09:38] <soren> o/
[09:39] <huats> I have noticed that (in the current ubuntu  version) you switched from python-support to python-central, any reason ?
[09:39] <huats> Do I need to do the same switch, while from my understanding python-support is prefered right now
[09:40] <tty> simplexio: what do you mean by that? these php files are already workign under xampp in a windowz box. some of them using mssql_connect and some of them using odbc_connect. and i want to tranfer there file to a linux box. however. although the first (using mssql_connect) work just fine, the latter (usign odbc_connect) dont
[09:43] <soren> huats: When I first looked at the package, it didn't use neither python-support nor python-central. I preferred python-central, so I used that. Later, it started using python-support in Debian.
[09:43] <soren> huats: Since then, I tried switching to python-support, but the upgrades failed horribly.
[09:44] <soren> huats: and I just couldn't be bothered to fix that.
[09:45] <huats> soren:  ok
[09:45] <huats> :)
[09:45] <soren> huats: It's because all the upgrade magic is put into the maintainer scripts depending on which of python-{central,support} you're using to build the package, so if you suddenly switch, you need to maintain all of that yourself, which is a major pain.
[09:45] <huats> sure
[09:46] <huats> soren: so I'll keep using python-central. I just wanted to understand :)
[09:46] <huats> thanks !
[09:46] <angelleye34> I'm having an issue with timestamps matching up when I sync from my local files to my test server
[09:46] <angelleye34> it always thinks every single file in my site needs to be uploaded even though it's not changed.
[09:47] <angelleye34> i'm working with a local ubuntu server
[09:47] <soren> huats: Sure thing.
[10:19] <a_ok> dpkg -l also show me packages that are no longer installed how do I list the packages that are installed?
[10:20] <a_ok> can i also list wetter its pulled in as a dep or by user request?
[10:31] <_ruben> `dpkg -l | grep ^ii` will list all currently installed ones
[10:32] <Jeeves_> Who here knows Damian Ondore?
[10:34] <_ruben> not that im aware of ;)
[10:35] <soren> Jeeves_: For some values of "know", I do.
[10:36] <soren> a_ok: I don't know how to query it, but the "whether it's manually installed or pulled in as a dep" is in /var/lib/apt/extended_states
[10:36] <soren> Jeeves_: Why?
[10:37] <Jeeves_> soren: I am wondering if someone can ask him if he can respond on my email.
[10:37] <Jeeves_> Appearantly, emailing works only once for him.
[10:38] <a_ok> thanks soren/_ruben
[10:38] <Jeeves_> I am trying to buy stuff from Canonical, but this is the third time that the sales department refuses to reply.
[10:38] <soren> -> /msg
[10:42] <soren> a_ok: "aptitude show name_of_package" will show you whether it's automatically or manually installed.
[10:44] <a_ok> soren yeah but i want a list of manually installed not check them all
[10:44] <_ruben> little bit of shell scripting would do the trick ;)
[10:44] <a_ok> i know working on it
[10:47] <a_ok> soren: well /var/lib/apt/extended_states missing most files
[10:50] <_ruben> perhaps it only lists the auto installed ones (as all are marked as 1 on the box i checked)
[11:02] <Niels_> Howdy!
[11:03] <Niels_> To all those who are thinking of getting a new server with an Adaptec5805 -- make sure that the newest Firmware is installed otherwise you may run in real trouble just as like as I just didi
[11:06] <\sh> Niels_: who builds servers with adaptec, still? Dell? IBM?
[11:07] <Niels_> \sh, Supermicro
[11:07] <dinger1986> might be worth looking at this as well http://drbl.sourceforge.net/
[11:07] <dinger1986> sorry wrong place
[11:08] <\sh> Niels_: I don't think it's supermicro but some small hardware manufacture who uses supermicro boards...
[11:08] <Niels_> \sh, yes, you're right -- sorry
[11:09] <Niels_> However it's been a pain with that Adaptec and a firmware which was alsmost 1yr old
[11:10] <Niels_> Adaptec had released in these months 3 major Updates
[11:31] <\sh> Niels_: buy standard hardware...not those self assembled stuff..sometimes it can be cheaper to pay a bit more in the beginning
[11:52] <Niels_> \sh, well the server wasn't cheap at all -- at least I think that almost 4.500Euros isn't cheap
[11:54] <ogra> thats only 4 digits :P
[11:55] <twb> Why are universe and multiverse -- unsupported categories! -- in the default sources.list during ubuntu-server installation?
[11:58] <cjwatson> twb: because lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of people asked for it. In any case that's all going to be rearranged in the not too distant future
[11:59] <cjwatson> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/enabling-additional-components
[11:59] <cjwatson> (which was more desktop-focused than server-focused but it's a pain to have separate handling there and I didn't see a particular need)
[12:00] <cjwatson> basically the very first thing that every single piece of third-party Ubuntu documentation said was "go and turn on universe and multiverse"
[12:00] <twb> cjwatson: I guess I would've preferred it to be a question during install, even though you try to avoid that
[12:00] <twb> cjwatson: just from the perspective of Canonical not going insane :-)
[12:00] <cjwatson> we don't find that this causes us to go insane
[12:00] <twb> That's just want insane people WOULD say
[12:01] <cjwatson> people with firm requirements can always preseed it off or whatever
[12:01] <twb> Nod.
[12:01] <twb> I've another question, which I'll take to -install...
[12:01] <cjwatson> but we find that this actually decreases the pressure on us to support absolutely everything just so that it can be available by default
[12:02] <\sh> Niels_: depends :)
[12:07] <Niels_> \sh, sure it does ;-)
[12:48] <tv7497> guys is there a way to to log all the sftp transaction in an openssh server well the auth.log file doesnt say much about what are the files that are transferred . is there a way to know what files are being downloaded or uploaded ?
[13:00] <Niels_> tv7497, maybe that link helps http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/30238-logging-sftp-details-log-file.html
[13:05] <simplexio>  /last simplexio
[13:29] <eolo999> hi, i'm up to this point: after a fight with bridging/dhcp/networking i know have running vms with a reachable ip. the problem, now, is that the machines do not accept my private key for root login. First it told me that my permission were wrong so i chmodded 400 the key. After that i do not receive the error but still asks me for the root password! any hints?
[13:30] <eolo999> sorry: i'm talking about eucalyptus in jaunty
[13:36] <zoopster> eolo999: machines=hosts? cc's, nc, or are you referring to vm's
[13:36] <zoopster> eolo999: and any reason you want root vs using a user via sudo (recommended)
[13:36] <twb> ubuntu-server should install molly-guard by default :-/
[13:37]  * soren concurs
[13:42] <dendrobates> boredandblogging: sup
[13:42] <boredandblogging> dendrobates: sent you an email last night
[13:42] <boredandblogging> about server team blogging about UDS
[13:43] <dendrobates> boredandblogging: ok, I'll get to it in a few minutes.
[13:43] <boredandblogging> dendrobates: thanks
[13:44] <eolo999> zoopster: i just ec2-run-instance and i have to login to the newly created vm. I think that first access can only be done with root keys, correct me if i'm wrong
[13:46] <eolo999> zoopster: i'm using the ubuntu jaunty images i found at eucalyptus site.
[13:47] <dendrobates> boredandblogging: I'll ask them today.
[13:48] <boredandblogging> dendrobates: appreciate it
[13:49]  * eolo999 is not clear enough?
[13:59] <twb> I wish I had the confidence to tell grub to fuck off, and use extlinux or something equally straightforward, everywhere.
[13:59] <twb> This whole grub-install "I'll detect what you're doing" voodoo unsettles me
[14:02] <alterlaszlo> oops: lost connection
[14:02]  * alterlaszlo should really change ISP
[14:03] <alterlaszlo> alterlaszlo = eolo999
[14:04] <alterlaszlo> zoopster: if you replied me, can you do it again as i lost connection?
[14:11] <lamont> ScottK: any feedback you might have on the postfix 2.6.1-0 in experimental would be good... then I'll push -1 to sid and we can sync it
[14:31] <huats> soren: me again :) Do you agree that I add karmic in the available distro (likewise it was the case with the patch to enable intrepid and jaunty) ?
[14:32] <soren> Certainly.
[14:32] <huats> soren: I was quite sure but I'd rather asked you first :)
[14:32] <madler> good day everyone ... is there any way apart from compiling myself to get a newer version of samba on a hardy install? I am having massive problems with samba 3.0 and remote subnet domain joins ... and upgrading seems to only be the last thing which I have not checked
[14:34] <Sam-I-Am> madler: well...
[14:34] <Sam-I-Am> i built a debian package for hardy of samba of 3.3.2
[14:35] <Sam-I-Am> er, of samba 3.3.2
[14:35] <Sam-I-Am> it was the jaunty package, but its backported
[14:35] <madler> 3.3.4 is afaik current stable ... but seems new enough to me ... is there a repository for it?
[14:36] <Sam-I-Am> no, its sitting on my local machine
[14:36] <Sam-I-Am> but if you have a place i can send it to... it also has a few dependencies
[14:37] <Sam-I-Am> i'm planning to put a bunch of backports up on my PPA but i havent gotten there yet
[14:38] <Sam-I-Am> or if you want i have detailed instructions on building it yourself
[14:38] <Sam-I-Am> including building the dependencies
[14:39] <madler> Sam-I-Am: that would be much appreciated
[14:39] <madler> the build instructions
[14:39] <Sam-I-Am> sure... lemmie send them to pastebin
[14:39] <Sam-I-Am> (and see how they look first)
[14:39] <madler> do you think this would apply to 3.2.11 aswell ... as this seems a bit more tested (at least from the version numbers)
[14:40] <Sam-I-Am> well, these instructions use the jaunty package and make it work on hardy... compiling from upstream source you'd need to do a bit more work to make a debian package... however you could just build and install in /usr/local, but that gets messy.
[14:42] <madler> hmmm
[14:43] <madler> so frustrating
[14:56] <madler> yes ... smbldap open connection; check_ntlm_passwd success ... one error which I see quite often is  "read_data: read failure for 4 bytes to client <IP_ADDRESS>. Error = Connection reset by peer" ... but this happens on all machines ... I can't pin-point this either
[14:56] <madler> I am pulling my hair out meanwhile
[14:57] <Sam-I-Am> hmm
[14:58] <Sam-I-Am> have you tried a tcpdump on the windows machine to see if the traffic getting sent from samba is making it back?
[14:58] <Sam-I-Am> you should see the same traffic on both ends if the connection is clear
[14:58] <madler> will try that now
[14:58] <Sam-I-Am> sounds like somethings getting lost
[14:59] <Sam-I-Am> and windows just isnt good at returning useful errors
[14:59] <madler> amen
[15:20] <ScottK> lamont: I'm in -0700 and working in a place with no net access this week and next, so don't block on me looking at it, but I'll try ....
[15:20] <Sam-I-Am> no net access for almost 2 weeks? what will you do...
[15:24] <lamont> ScottK: ok.  I may just upload it in a day or so if debian doesn't bitch
[15:39] <tv7497>  guys was trying to patch sftp transaction entries into auth.log well had followed this tutorial http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=241188 and i get like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/187421/  openssh server was working pretty well before this any idea guys ?
[15:43] <Sam-I-Am> yeah so your key changed
[15:43] <Sam-I-Am> go delete the old one from .ssh/known_hosts
[15:45] <tv7497> Sam-I-Am: thanks mate !
[15:48] <LeChacal> hello, I am looking at buying an HP workstation/server that has a LSI 8888ELP RAID controller card in it, the HP site doesn't have any Linux drives for it so i think HP is assuming that drives are natively available (HP only support RHE4, RHE5, and Suse Enterprise 11). Now on the LSI site they have Linux drives for the controller but for RHE3/4/5, Suse Ent9/10/11, CentOS 5.2, and Fedora 9. My question is can I get a driver out of one of these that
[15:48] <Sam-I-Am> if its open source it should just be in the kernel
[15:49] <LeChacal> Sam-I-Am:what do you mean by if its open source it should be in the kernel?
[15:50] <Sam-I-Am> if lsi is just releasing its drivers as open source it'll probably be in most kernels
[15:50] <Sam-I-Am> have you googled?
[15:50] <LeChacal> Sam-I-Am: and are you saying in the server kernel or in the desktop?
[15:50] <LeChacal> yes i googled the card with linux behind it and nothing really comes up as people having problems with it or anything but I also dont see anyone else talking about drives for it
[15:50] <Sam-I-Am> either one... they're more or less the same driver-wise
[15:51] <Sam-I-Am> if you downloaded the redhat driver or .tar.gz, can you figure out the module name?  if so, you can see if its in the ubuntu kernel
[15:54] <LeChacal> let me look and see if i can find the module name, but the file they provide for the drive is a zip archive with an rmp, img, and tgz in it, and the tgz look like just normal source that i can compile
[15:55] <huats> soren: bug 383184
[15:57] <soren> huats: Lovely. I don't have time to look today, but tomorrow for sure.
[15:58] <huats> soren: no problem at all. It fixes the keymap issue
[15:58] <huats> (just so that you know)
[15:58] <LeChacal> Sam-I-Am: I found what i think is the module name but how would i got about seeing if it is in the kernel?
[16:12] <huats> soren: don't do the upload... a new debian version is out :(
[16:12] <huats> I'll take care of merging with it
[16:14] <huats> it is not a big deal...
[16:17] <Sam-I-Am> LeChacal: look in /boot/config-*
[16:17] <Sam-I-Am> theres a config file for that kernel
[16:17] <Sam-I-Am> search for the module name
[16:22] <LeChacal> Sam-I-Am: ok thanks the module is listed in there
[16:43] <huats> soren: it is good this time on the bug... you can take the stuff (well tomorrow :))
[17:12] <troglobyte> is a properly configured UFW setup secure enough to not necessitate a hardware firewall in front?
[17:12] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[17:12] <troglobyte> this is a personal server with ports 22 and 80 open.  default deny everywhere else.
[17:12] <troglobyte> nice!
[17:16] <jmedina> of course ufw wont protect your ssh and http server
[17:17] <jmedina> most server penetrations I know are because insecure web applications (PHP)
[17:17] <Sam-I-Am> jmedina: still working on those packages btw... almost done
[17:17] <Sam-I-Am> jmedina: built some chroot silos to separate builds
[17:17] <jmedina> Sam-I-Am: good, tell me when whey are done
[17:18] <jmedina> Sam-I-Am: or if you want I can help with the building process
[17:18] <jmedina> Sam-I-Am: 32o 64bits?
[17:18] <Sam-I-Am> amd64 for now
[17:18] <jmedina> good
[17:18] <Sam-I-Am> i think i got it... getting very close
[17:18] <jmedina> I only use 64 for servers
[17:18] <Sam-I-Am> i have the dependencies built in their own silos
[17:19] <Sam-I-Am> grabbed a few libs from jaunty that Just Work on hardy
[17:19] <Sam-I-Am> so this stuff is all for hardy amd64
[17:19] <Sam-I-Am> will also start building openldap-cvs for debian-unstable or karmic soon
[17:19] <Sam-I-Am> but i gotta do this first
[17:35] <bogeyd6> !help
[19:01] <giovani|work> anyone know how to control which monitor (presuming you have multiple) rdeskop displays onto?
[19:48] <maek> what kind of magic is being used to create the super cool motd in 9.04 please?
[19:49] <sommer> maek: the update-motd package
[19:49] <maek> sommer: thanks
[19:49] <sommer> np
[19:52] <Sam-I-Am> hmmm
[20:38] <billybigrigger> hi all
[20:39] <billybigrigger> i just acquired an old pentium box, i haven't had a chance to look inside it yet, but my plans for it are to make a server out of it...right now my only box is dual purposing as a desktop/web/mail/ftp server...what is the best way i can migrate the server side of my current box over to this new server?
[20:39] <billybigrigger> or is my only option to just manually reconfigure everything again on the new box?
[20:40] <gcleric> billybigrigger: are you dual booting?
[20:41] <billybigrigger> gcleric::: no
[20:42] <gcleric> if you are you could image the server side with something like dd and restore it to the old box.  then using the LiveCD modify the fstab to change the drive it's pointing at to sda.
[20:42] <billybigrigger> gcleric::: i just have jaunty desktop installed, but also apache/mysql/php/proftpd packages installed on top
[20:42] <billybigrigger> i don't think that will work
[20:42] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[20:42] <billybigrigger> ill just have to reconfigure i imagine eh?
[20:42] <gcleric> then I'd build a new  box from scratch and migrate services to the new box.
[20:44] <gcleric> just tgz up the data and configs and restore them to the new box
[20:44] <gcleric> that is after you install the servives on the new box.
[20:46] <gcleric> billybigrigger: once you get your server up and running consider imaging it for backup.... if the size of your data allows it.
[20:47] <gcleric> here's a howto I wrote for imaging linux systems. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=581680
[20:47] <dinger1986> or use mondo
[20:48] <giovani|work> dinger1986: what advantages does that offer?
[20:48] <billybigrigger> gcleric::: thanks
[20:49] <billybigrigger> also...i just found the two usb inputs are not working...this box was made in '97 according to the sticker on the back and im wondering if my newer usb dongle for keyboard and mouse are too new for it...now i don't have a ps2 kb/mouse
[20:50] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: no, there's no such thing as "too new" in USB
[20:50] <dinger1986> or remondo makes an image
[20:50] <billybigrigger> so is there anyway to do a networked install? probably not eh? like the only thing i plan on doing with this box is hooking up power and wire it...
[20:50] <gcleric> giovani|work: unless he's refering to USB 1.1
[20:50] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: USB 2.0 works with USB 1.x -- however, your mouse/keyboard are likely not USB 2.0 anyway
[20:50] <giovani|work> dinger1986: I'm unclear on how that's better than using dd ... mind explaining?
[20:50] <billybigrigger> giovani|work::: i thought they were backwards compatible...
[20:51] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: they are, I just said that
[20:51] <billybigrigger> giovani|work::: well ill just have to open it up, and see if there's something visibly wrong with the inputs then
[20:51] <dinger1986> none over using dd
[20:51] <billybigrigger> giovani|work::: ya, and i said i thought they were, thanks for confirming
[20:51] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: however, a system as old as 97 might not support USB for keyboard input
[20:51] <giovani|work> in the bios, etc
[20:51] <billybigrigger> ahh
[20:51] <dinger1986> they wont
[20:51] <giovani|work> should work with an OS that has drivers, though
[20:52] <dinger1986> do you have anyusb to ps2 adapterS?
[20:52] <billybigrigger> giovani|work::: so will i have usb kb/mouse during ubuntu install? or no because the bios won't support it
[20:52] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: I can't say for sure
[20:52] <billybigrigger> negative on the usb-ps2 adapter
[20:52] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: any problem with just trying it and rolling with the punches?
[20:53] <billybigrigger> fuck, im gonna have to look through a bunch of shit stored away in the storage room, and even then i might not find the old kb/mouse i had...i think i chucked it a long time ago
[20:53] <billybigrigger> giovani|work::: nothing wrong with rolling with the punchs
[20:53] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: I said try it ...
[20:53] <billybigrigger> s/punchs/punches
[20:53] <giovani|work> did you try it first?
[20:53] <billybigrigger> IM TRYING! :P
[20:53] <giovani|work> trying? it either works ir not
[20:53] <giovani|work> or*
[20:57] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: and yes, network-booted installs (PXE) do absolutely work, we do dozens of them a week here
[20:58] <giovani|work> so that's an option if you want to set it up
[20:58] <billybigrigger> so i can install without a kb/mouse if i HAVE to
[20:58] <billybigrigger> nice...
[20:58] <giovani|work> but it's probably more work to set that up than it is to find a PS2 keyboard, if in fact the USB keyboard doesn't work
[20:58] <billybigrigger> ahh
[20:58] <billybigrigger> bummer...
[20:58] <giovani|work> I'm not sure who doesn't have a PS2 keyboard
[20:59] <dinger1986> why nt install on another machine then take it across?
[20:59] <dinger1986> and repair network cards etc
[20:59] <giovani|work> that's a horrible solution
[20:59] <giovani|work> please don't recommend that to users
[21:00] <dinger1986> ok
[21:00] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: so you have or have not tested the usb keyboard in the ubuntu installer?
[21:01] <billybigrigger> downloading install cd as we speak
[21:02] <billybigrigger> i used to have a ps2 keyboard/mouse but i think its long gone
[21:02] <giovani|work> honestly, you should ALWAYS have one
[21:02] <giovani|work> USB is a far too complex protocol to rely on for something as simple as a keyboard
[21:07] <billybigrigger> well i used to have 3 box's in my comp room so instead of running kb's/mice to all of them i bought a usb kb/mouse with a dongle and they all had usb, and it worked great....now that was years ago and i've clean house a bit and downsized to 1 machine, which was a dumb idea, i should have kept my old server box in the first place
[21:08] <billybigrigger> i really don't feel like going through the boxes in my storage room to find that kb though...if i can get it to work some other way i will :P
[21:31] <billybigrigger> well i don't know how i can enter bios a set boot to cd
[21:31] <billybigrigger> i need a kb
[21:31] <billybigrigger> this sucks
[21:31] <billybigrigger> giovani|work::: how do i net install?
[21:34] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: it's far more complex than finding a PS2 keyboard, I assure you
[21:34] <giovani|work> if you've never done it before ... good luck
[21:35] <giovani|work> this look like a relatively complete guide, but I can't vouch for it -- I'd do it without a guide: https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install
[21:35] <giovani|work> looks*
[21:35] <giovani|work> you'll want to automate the install
[21:35] <giovani|work> so that you don't need a keyboard
[21:35] <giovani|work> I don't think the guide covers that
[21:58] <billybigrigger> umm...well i dont even know if this thing is worth using as a server
[21:58] <billybigrigger> 9.04 cd wont even boot
[21:59] <billybigrigger> i need to update the bios on it for 9.04 server 386 to boot....went into bios and found that its an old p1 166mhz with 98mb ram...
[21:59] <billybigrigger> i found my ps2 kb btw
[22:00] <billybigrigger> i dont have a floppy to update the bios...this thing is ancient...
[22:01] <ewook> billybigrigger: easier to just go with the general kernelbuild.
[22:01] <ewook> or build your own.
[22:01] <billybigrigger> would i be better off checking out debian lenny?
[22:02] <jeiworth> hi guys, i am looking for a decent groupware for a heterogenouus environment (win, mac + linux), so far kolab and perhaps obm sprung to my mind, does anyone here have a recommendation?
[22:06] <billybigrigger> ewook::: should i try the general kernel build or try debian?
[22:07] <billybigrigger> ewook::: and where can i download find more info on this general kernel build you speak of
[22:08] <ewook> billybigrigger: I am talking about the same build that ubuntu uses, you can apt-get it.
[22:08] <ewook> debian's standardkernels might be even nicer, but, well. dunno.
[22:08] <billybigrigger> oh, your talking about building my own kernel
[22:08] <ewook> nah
[22:08] <ewook> not really
[22:08] <ewook> if you don't wanna.
[22:09] <ewook> but, I wanna sleep :P laters.
[22:09] <billybigrigger> ahh haha thanks :P
[22:14] <billybigrigger> is there anyway to pass boot options to the install cd before the actual installer?
[22:15] <billybigrigger> i got an error saying i couldnt boot the install cd because i needed to update my bios, is there anyway around this? like passing acpi=off
[22:24] <giovani|work> billybigrigger: if you couldn't boot the installcd, how did you determine if the USB keyboard didn't work?
[22:25] <giovani|work> and yes, you can modify the cd's default boot line
[22:25] <giovani|work> edit it
[22:28] <billybigrigger> but i get the error right after booting cd.....the isolinux runs for 1 sec and gives me that error


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[09:36] <Unit193> popey: ↑
[09:36] <popey> ta
[09:36] <Unit193> 'Welcome!


[08:22] <acheronuk> seems britney had a nervous breakdown, and let through parts of PIM it shouldn't. so PIM in 18.04 is currently broken and unistallable. hence iso build fail
[08:49] <valorie> great timing
[08:49] <valorie> she waited until after the beta 1
[08:51] <valorie> niters
 If no quick fix, I'm tempted to drop PIM off the iso for now to try to get one built
 I have some other ideas as well. testing........
 valorie: PIM migrating :)
 Imagine this phone was the blocking issue ;)
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Z6e7MFSL/file_5054.mp4
 😆
[21:51] <valorie> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[21:52] <valorie> I saw that little vid on my phone a bit ago and literally laughted out loud