[04:37] <holstein> hey guys
[04:38] <holstein> anybody got the current 'news letter in progress' link?
[04:53] <zkriesse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue200?action=show&redirect=UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Current
[04:56] <holstein> hey zkriesse
[04:56] <zkriesse> hey holstein
[04:56] <holstein> is there a google doc?
[04:56] <holstein> or something?
[04:56] <zkriesse> not sure
[04:56] <zkriesse> lemme check
[04:56] <zkriesse> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[04:57] <holstein> zkriesse: COOL
[04:57] <zkriesse> yup
[04:57] <holstein> if im going to do anything
[04:57] <holstein> its got to be tonite
[04:57] <holstein> im gone all day tomorrow
[04:57] <zkriesse> yup
[04:57] <holstein> and i slacked off last week ;)
[04:57] <zkriesse> ikes
[04:58] <zkriesse> don't let akgraner catch you...(joking)
[04:58] <holstein> hehe
[04:59] <holstein> thanks again for helping me with my wiki page zkriesse :)
[05:00] <zkriesse> I did?
[05:00] <holstein> yeah
[05:00] <holstein> i was in #ubuntu-beginners
[05:00] <holstein> i think you helped me there
[05:00] <zkriesse> oh yeah
[05:00] <holstein> maybe is was #ubuntu-bugs
[05:01] <holstein> anyways
[05:01] <zkriesse> I remember that pic
[05:01] <holstein> thanks :)
[05:01] <zkriesse> yup
[05:01] <zkriesse> gotta fly
[05:01] <holstein> yup
[05:01] <holstein> me too
[05:01] <holstein> laterx
[14:54]  * nigelb waves
[14:55] <akgraner> hey!
[14:56] <nigelb> Loco News seems to be empty, let me go hunting :)
[15:10] <Pendulum> akgraner: ITB is done :-)
[15:13] <akgraner> Pendulum, thanks!
[15:18] <akgraner> nigelb, yeah - sorry about that I haven't had a chance to look through all the loco stuff yet
[15:48] <nigelb> akgraner: neither have I
[15:49] <holstein> akgraner: ping
[15:49] <akgraner> nigelb, no worries I am sure something will turn up before I publish it today
[15:49] <akgraner> holstein, hey
[15:50] <holstein> akgraner: you still need me on 'in other news' ?
[15:50] <holstein> i did one on the etherpad
[15:50] <holstein> and i was about to do some more
[15:50] <holstein> i copied it over to the Gdoc
[15:51] <holstein> ^^the one i did
[15:51] <akgraner> holstein, yep.. did you look at the wiki?
[15:52] <holstein> not sure
[15:54] <holstein> akgraner: should i?
[15:54] <akgraner> holstein, yep - :-)
[15:54] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue201
[15:56] <holstein> akgraner: should i put mine right over in the wiki?
[15:56] <holstein> mine and the other ones that are finished?
[15:56] <holstein> from in other news?
[15:57] <akgraner> I'll go ahead and move the finished summaries over  but can you work on the ones from ION that haven't been finished
[15:57] <holstein> im on it
[15:58] <holstein> you want me in the Gdoc?
[15:58] <holstein> or the etherpad?
[16:03] <akgraner> either I always check them all for what people add - which ever one you are more comfortable with
[16:04] <holstein> :)
[16:05] <zkriesse> mornin newsies
[16:40] <zkriesse> http://whenisgood.net/wiki/fg/meeting
[16:55] <zkriesse> hallo internalkernel
[16:55] <internalkernel> howdy...
[16:57] <zkriesse> how goes your day?
[16:57] <zkriesse> or evening
[17:44] <internalkernel> zkriesse: sorry my attention wandered... it's day here afternoon, and Sunday is nice... weather is good today... not to hot.
[17:44] <zkriesse> ah it's ok
[17:44]  * zkriesse is planning a meeting and stuff so no worry
[18:32] <scott_ev> akgraner: so sorry, but I'm ill
[18:33] <akgraner> scott_ev, no worries - Hope you feel better!
[18:33] <akgraner> that's the most important thing!
[18:35] <scott_ev> thanks, I just went off my pain meds a couple of days agao and it hurts
[18:39] <akgraner> I'm sorry to hear that :-(  I hope it gets better soon for you! being in pain is not fun!
[18:44] <scott_ev> well, this pain now is primarilly from the withdrawls
[18:44] <scott_ev> I think the arthritis is getting better
[19:30] <highvoltage> greetings
[20:14] <akgraner> highvoltage, greetings!
[20:14] <zkriesse> hello highvoltage, akgraner
[20:24] <highvoltage> hey akgraner and zkriesse, how are things shaping up for #201?
[20:24]  * zkriesse doesn't know tbh
[20:24] <highvoltage> I forgot accidentally killed my IRC session yesterday so I don't have any backlog :)
[20:24] <zkriesse> Haven't looked
[20:31] <internalkernel> akgraner: ping... Im home.. where we at?
[20:33] <internalkernel> Also, to everyone else - I'd like some opinion on this project (do you think it belongs in UWN?)
[20:33] <internalkernel> http://zeltser.com/remnux/   ::  REMnux: A Linux Distribution for Reverse-Engineering Malware (based on Ubuntu)
[20:36] <akgraner> internalkernel, it might be something for In other News but as it is right now I am going to have to trim some things
[20:37] <internalkernel> ok, maybe next week... it's only relation to UWN is the fact that it's based on Ubuntu - none the less, seems to be an interesting project
[20:38] <internalkernel> Im working on The Planet - and will keep moving down...


[14:12] <jamie_1> hey, im having some issues with my visual alerts. i have them turned on in accessibility but its not flashing the screen at all like it should be. Does anyone have any ideas or know what to look into the see why its not working or how to fix it


[20:51] <shaw> mcasadevall: hi!
[20:51] <mcasadevall> hi shaw
[20:52] <mcasadevall> suihkulokki, ping
[20:56] <shaw> mcasadevall: I'd like to join the arm porting team so I can do some ARM builds in my PPA.
[20:56] <mcasadevall> shaw, ARM enabled PPAs are unfortunately restricted to Canonical staff at this time
[20:56] <mcasadevall> (Xen isn't available for ARM)
[20:57] <shaw> mcasadevall: oh.  dang!  I fall asleep every time I do local builds.  ;)
[20:57] <mcasadevall> shaw, :-)
[21:36] <Martyn> mcasadevall : Um, Xen _is_ available for ARM
[21:36] <Martyn> mcasadevall : I'm working with it this very second even.
[21:36] <mcasadevall> Martyn, rephrase
[21:36] <mcasadevall> Martyn, its not available for what we're using in the data center :-)
[21:37] <mcasadevall> Martyn, and if you got a link, I'd be greatly interested.
[21:37] <Martyn> http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenARM
[21:37] <Martyn> enjoy
[21:38] <Martyn> I'm currently working on getting it limping along on a cortex-A9 ( FastModel sim )
[21:38] <mcasadevall> Martyn, we have iMX.51 boards, not 21
[21:38]  * mcasadevall however has a 21 board ...
[21:38] <Martyn> it works in Babbage.
[21:38] <mcasadevall> Martyn, You have a Cortex-A9?
[21:38] <mcasadevall> *drool*
[21:38] <Martyn> Yep.
[21:38] <Martyn> Quad core
[21:38] <mcasadevall> ....
[21:38]  * mcasadevall stares
[21:38] <mcasadevall> I'll trade you my SMP ia64 for it :-)?
[21:38] <Martyn> runs slow (125Mhz, not too speedy) but it works in FastModels nicely
[21:39] <Martyn> we also have the even SLOWER (but real silicon) PDX .. runs at all of 70Mhz and has two cores
[21:39] <mcasadevall> Martyn, actually, if you could do me a favor, could you dump /proc/cpuinfo and shoot me an email with it
[21:39] <mcasadevall> I'd like an example of it when on SMP systems for when I get around and write a landscape stub for ARM
[21:39] <Martyn> mcasadevall : let me check if that violates the NDA
[21:39] <Martyn> (I don't think it does, because you can synthesize that output from the arm kernel tree)
[21:43] <Martyn> email?
[21:44] <mcasadevall> Martyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:44] <mcasadevall> Martyn, I've not been able to find an SMP ARM system to dump its cpuinfo, so this is really handy :-)
[21:46] <Martyn> sending the damned keymap takes for bloody ever at 125Mhz
[21:46] <Martyn> There's seriously no reason this part of the boot should take so long
[21:46] <mcasadevall> Martyn, hardware issue?
[21:47] <Martyn> No, don't think so
[21:47] <Martyn> it just takes a while, then kicks over to the event manager and drivers as it should
[21:47] <Martyn> but keymap takes >2min
[21:48] <mcasadevall> Martyn, sounds like my IA64 while its still in EFI
[21:49] <mcasadevall> Martyn, how difficult is it to get Xen going? (and how much kernel customization is needed)
[21:50] <mcasadevall> Since a .21 kernel won't boot on a Babbage 1
[21:51] <Martyn> There you go
[21:51] <Martyn> Plenty
[21:51] <Martyn> I have to get Xen working on the multicore, which is a real PITA
[21:51] <Martyn> because getting the hypervisor to abstract all the cores is a pain
[21:51] <mcasadevall> Martyn, *groan*
[21:51] <mcasadevall> Martyn, so much for easily recycling the existing build hardware in the DC
[21:51] <Martyn> Why?
[21:52] <kblin> evening folks
[21:52] <Martyn> You can build mx31/mx51 on the old hardware .. all it takes is a x-compiler
[21:52] <mcasadevall> Martyn, we're using non-FSL hardware in the DC
[21:52] <Martyn> what's the hardware in use?
[21:52] <kblin> you people build all your packages native, right?
[21:52] <mcasadevall> Marvell
[21:52] <mcasadevall> kbingham, yeah
[21:52] <mcasadevall> er, kblin
[21:52] <mcasadevall> Martyn, I forget the SoC off the top of my head
[21:52] <Martyn> Not the shivaplug thing?
[21:53] <mcasadevall> Martyn, I think it was the dev boards that became the shivaplug
[21:53] <kblin> mcasadevall: ok, so I'm doing the "correct thing" atm :)
[21:53] <Martyn> Gah
[21:53] <mcasadevall> Martyn, yeah
[21:53] <Martyn> The 'kirkwood'
[21:53] <Martyn> piece of crap SoC
[21:53] <mcasadevall> No
[21:53] <mcasadevall> Not kirkwood
[21:53] <mcasadevall> Hold on
[21:53] <mcasadevall> I got cpuinfo somewhere
[21:54] <mcasadevall> Processor	: Feroceon rev 0 (v5l)
[21:54] <mcasadevall> Hardware	: Marvell DB-78x00-BP Development Board
[21:54] <Martyn> Feroceon .. hmmm.
[21:54] <mcasadevall> Martyn, wow, the SMP cpuinfo is different then anything else I've ever seen.
[21:54] <mcasadevall> BogoMIPS	: 999.42 - they are sexy :-)
[21:54] <Martyn> bogomips are totally bogus :)
[21:54] <mcasadevall> True
[21:54] <Martyn> It''s just a timing loop
[21:55] <mcasadevall> I think they're either 1Ghz or 1.2Ghz boards
[21:55] <Martyn> the 124 bmips of the simulated Cortex-A9 doesn't really reflect anything either
[21:55] <mcasadevall> They're faster than the Babbage, but limited to ARMv5TE+VFP
[21:55] <Martyn> Yep
[21:55] <Martyn> they are based on Armv5's
[21:55] <mcasadevall> Babbage is 600 or 800Mhz if memory serves
[22:00] <suihkulokki> mv78x00 is similar to kirkwood, up's it with dual-issue core, 64bit 800Mhz ddr2 memory channel and vfp
[22:05] <mcasadevall> suihkulokki, we've seen some oddness with timing issues on that SoC :-/
[22:06] <mcasadevall> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libipc-sharelite-perl/+bug/299847/
[22:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 299847 in libipc-sharelite-perl "Shared memory operations on very fast ARM hardware suffer from non-atomic operations and race conditions." [Low,Confirmed]
[22:11] <Martyn> re
[22:11] <Martyn> 600
[22:13] <Martyn> [   15.758593] Brought up 4 CPUs
[22:13] <Martyn> [   15.758654] SMP: Total of 4 processors activated (498.07 BogoMIPS).
[22:13] <Martyn> Mmmmmm
[22:29] <lool> Is there a generic uboot MMC command for init/listing parts etc.?  On EVM it's mmcinit / fatls, but on Marvell Uboot that doesn't seem to exist
[22:36] <lool> Hmm it doesn't see my USB mass storage
[22:38]  * Martyn muh-hu-has
[22:38] <mcasadevall> lool, help should have the command list
[22:38] <lool> It does
[22:38] <mcasadevall> lool, do we have source yet?
[22:38] <lool> No
[22:38] <lool> I'm looking at the sheeva marvell tree
[22:38] <lool> But it doesn't really relate
[22:38] <mcasadevall> oh
[22:39] <lool> On my uboot, "ide" actually manages sata (no sata commands)
[22:47] <Martyn> source for which?  u-boot?
[22:47] <lool> Yup
[22:47] <lool> Hmm I think the command is mtdparts
[22:47] <lool> It's hard to tell whether my SD card is in the slot though; I think the slot is made for thiner cards, sigh
[22:52] <mcasadevall> lool, probably is an MMC slot
[22:52] <mcasadevall> Vs. an actual SD slot
[22:54] <lool> Yeah, my phone has the same thing
[22:55] <lool> Except it's for mini SDs, so I don't have any single MMC I can try, sigh
[23:05] <mcasadevall> lool, I haven't see an actual MMC in years :-/
[23:05] <mcasadevall> If we need them, that's going to be a massive PITA to locate
[23:08] <lool> Same here
[23:08] <lool> Nearest store doesn't have them, usual online website neither
[23:09] <lool> I found a bunch at some amazon partners
[23:09] <mcasadevall> lool, ugh, I *really* hope we don't need MMCs
[23:09] <lool> We don't "need" them, but the board uses that
[23:09] <mcasadevall> Oh right
[23:09] <mcasadevall> this isn't the babbage and its fun SD slot :-)
[23:10] <lool> Until it sees USB devices, we're going to need tftp, or sata, or mmc for installs
[23:13] <mcasadevall> woo :-/
[23:24] <lool> Well ext2fs always returns blank, doesn't even fail, so I give up there too
[23:24] <lool> Only tftp seems to work
[23:24] <lool> Blah


[02:47] <xubuntu27i> hi
[06:10] <NewGnuGuy> When a new version of a package (in this case libsdl2) is migrated from Debian unstable to testing, will that package automatically get added the latest Ubuntu stable release (in this case Artful) or does something have to be done manually?
[06:11] <NewGnuGuy> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2 Version 2.0.7 is listed for Bionic, but 2.0.6 is still listed for Artful. 2.0.6 suffers from these crash-inducing bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1722060 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2/+bug/1727849
[06:11] <Unit193> No, much like thigns don't migrate from testing to stable.
[06:12] <NewGnuGuy> Who is in charge of manually making that change?
[06:12] <Unit193> !sru
[06:12] <NewGnuGuy> thanks
[10:25] <Jimmy40> Hello
[10:28] <Jimmy40> Hello guys, I've an annoying issue with Firefox and Thunderbird, on my 2 Xubuntu VM. When I launch them from the Whisker menu, and/or from terminal, nothing start, but there are two processes running in task manager.
[10:29] <Jimmy40> for example, I launch firefox and nothing show up, but I can see two running firefox processes in task manager. If I kill one, the Firefox UI show up
[10:30] <Jimmy40> This happens on my both Xubuntu VM, Does not on my Kubuntu VM
[10:31] <Jimmy40> Tried --purge and reinstall, refresh, safe mode, starting from scratch, nothing. :(
[10:32] <Jimmy40> One of those two processes use 0 CPU while the other around 50%
[10:33] <Jimmy40> What could I do to find how to solve this issue ?
[10:49] <rockyh> Hi!
[10:50] <rockyh> I installed texlive-full and texstudio in Xubuntu 16.04, but I get a compilation error
[10:50] <rockyh> "I can't find file `pgfcircutils.sty'. \input pgfcircutils.sty"
[10:51] <rockyh> the package is circuitikz and I found some .tex files about it in "/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/circuitikz". But there are no .sty file, in the whole filesystem. What's wrong?
[11:11] <asif_> hello
[11:12] <asif_> welcome
[11:14] <asif_> hey dreamon
[16:45] <ambient> Hi, I get the following error when I try to update: https://pastebin.com/uVMQrYmH
[17:26] <drleviathan> drbdlinks - Manages symlinks into a shared DRBD partition
[17:26] <drleviathan> ambient, are you running a DRDB file system?
[17:31] <ambient> drleviathan, no
[17:31] <ambient> drleviathan, I purged it
[17:31] <ambient> still get the error
[17:33] <drleviathan> how did you "purge" it?  was it successful?
[17:33] <drleviathan> ack, I've got to go AFK.
[18:50] <plaindave> I didn't install firefox 57. I unzipped the bz2 file and I just click on the executable to run ff. How do I install it? I'm running 16.04 LTS.
[19:04] <drleviathan> plaindave, do already have a version of firefox installed with a package?
[19:05] <drleviathan> that is, when you run:  dpkg -l | grep firefox
[19:05] <drleviathan> what do you see?
[19:11] <drleviathan> I downloaded firefox-57 and looked at the contents of that zip file.
[19:13] <drleviathan> it appears one way would be to "sudo" unfurl it in /usr/local/lib/ and then manually make a symlink to /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox from /usr/local/bin/firefox
[19:20] <plaindave> Actually, I just installed Firefox v.58 from the repo. And installed by sudo apt install firefox.
[19:21] <plaindave> I didn't know that v.58 was out, but that's what it says in "About Firefox".
[19:24] <plaindave> drleviathan, Sorry. I should've put your name first so that you'd know that I sent you the messages.
[19:27] <drleviathan> oh right, 16.04 is LTS.  I think this laptop is on 17.04 which doesn't have an updated firefox package available.
[19:28] <plaindave> okay
[19:30] <victor___> hello! i'd like to ask a question about logging into xubuntu using a username provided by a windows domain the computer is connected to. anyone could help me? thanks
[19:39] <drleviathan> victor___, I've never tried it, but: you've already googled it?  What did you learn?
[19:41] <victor___> i saw that the most referred to way to achieve it nowadays is called sssd; the documentation and tutorials are a little too technical for me. so i'd like to check if it's the right approach and, if so, if someone knows a relatively simple tutorial
[19:45] <drleviathan> hrm... it appears there is an #sssd channel on freenode
[19:48] <victor___> oh, i didn't see it! :D   i will ask there, thanks a lot drleviathan!!
[20:02] <kennyloggins> how do I add the brisk menu to xubuntu ?
[20:18] <PlainDave> I think the brisk menu is only a MATE thing, but I might be wrong.
[20:18] <PlainDave> oops he's gone
[21:53] <kennyloggins> PlainDave: about the brisk menu .. is an alternative avail~ similar to brisk in xubuntu ?
[22:22] <PlainDave> kennyloggins, I really don't know. I'm somewhat new to Xubuntu. I used to run MATE for a long time, and I had the brisk menu with that. I googled it and it only made references to brisk with MATE.
[22:26] <kennyloggins> ok thanks.
[22:26] <PlainDave> sure
[22:26] <genii> MATE is a GNOME2 desktop, brisk is an applet for it. Xubuntu is an XFCE desktop
[22:26] <PlainDave> right
[22:26] <kennyloggins> just looking for an alternative to endless scolling in xubuntu menu ?
[22:27] <PlainDave> really? I have a search window at the top of the menu.
[22:28] <kennyloggins> not here - I have 'web browser'.
[22:28] <PlainDave> 16.04.3 LTS
[22:28] <kennyloggins> 17.10
[22:29] <PlainDave> That's odd. I hope 18 this April has it.
[22:29] <kennyloggins> maybe I am creating a problem that doesn't exit. my menu looks a mess.
[22:29] <kennyloggins> **exist
[22:30] <PlainDave> Do you have Menu Editor?
[22:30] <PlainDave> in the menu?
[22:31] <kennyloggins> yep - but its too complicated for me to understand thou,
[22:31] <PlainDave> oh okay
[22:32] <kennyloggins> oh wait - just turned on 'games' in menu - do I have to log-out ?
[22:32] <PlainDave> I tried 17.10, but it just locked up. I had to hold the power button down to reboot.
[22:32] <PlainDave> oh, I don't know
[22:34] <kennyloggins> shall log out later :)
[23:15] <kennyloggins> So I installed 17.10 xubuntu - but I am not happy with the menu.
[23:16] <kennyloggins> Iam trying to find a diplomatic way to say this without re-installing, but does anyone have an omg ubuntu page where I don't have to recompile a new menu, to get an alternative menu ?
[23:19] <PlainDave> You could install and use 16.04, but you probably don't want to do that.
[23:21] <kennyloggins> I dont have a spare usb, anyway.
[23:22] <Unit193> ...Re-install just to change to the applicationsmenu?  That seems majorly overkill.
[23:23] <Unit193> Am I confused as to what's being asked?
[23:26] <kennyloggins> just want a different menu, pal.
[23:31] <Unit193> OK, so add 'applications menu' and you'll be set, it's the classic menu.
[23:35] <kennyloggins> Unit193: how ?
[23:36] <Unit193> Right click on the panel → Panel → Add new items  and select it from the list.
[23:37] <PlainDave> cool. I didn't know that.
[23:37] <Unit193> Whisker is actually a non-default menu, you have to install it as it is another package.
[23:38] <Unit193> !info xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin
[23:40] <PlainDave> Whisker's what I have, apparently.
[23:41] <Unit193> Yes, it is default in Xubuntu.
[23:42] <kennyloggins> I have whisker now - from the panel options, thankyou.
[23:42] <PlainDave> awesome
[23:46] <kennyloggins> confidently installing snaps now, http://paste.ubuntu.com/25970839/
[23:46] <kennyloggins> although I go this from here :  https://askubuntu.com/q/806780/543994
[23:49] <kennyloggins> how do I kill rhythmbox , there is no icon for it ?
[23:58] <well_laid_lawn> kennyloggins:  there should be a close button on top of the window
[23:58] <kennyloggins> yeah - I had to re-initiate it , then press stop & close, but thanks.
[23:58] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[23:59] <kennyloggins> If you can find me the bug - I shall have a look (?) in xubuntu.


[11:37] <rmg51> Morning
[12:03] <rmg51> off to PACS
[12:04] <rmg51> talk to the bear
[12:45] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[18:47] <teddy-dbear> bye-bye