[01:48] <oerheks> !vraag
[02:12] <pi0> anyone here use gsconnect with ubuntu 20.04
[02:12] <pi0> also what is the name of the file explorer for gnome
[02:12] <pi0> i installed the minimal version of ubuntu 20.04
[02:12] <pi0> and i do not get the folder icon
[02:14] <sarnold> is that nautilus?
[02:22] <oerheks> seriously, no nautilus with minimal install?
[02:23] <pi0> does nautilus mean full install?
[02:24] <pi0> i mean if i were to install nautilus
[02:25] <sarnold> ubuntu-minimal doesn't look like it includes any graphical anything https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/br4TzP4hQN/
[02:27] <oerheks> that would be the mini iso without selection?
[02:28] <oerheks> not the regular desktop, with minimal option, as i presume
[02:29] <oerheks> why would anyone take a bare install, and try gsconnect :-D
[02:29] <sarnold> ah, is there a 'minimal' thing in the installer that's unrelated to the ubuntu-minimal package? that's not at all confusing :)
[02:32] <oerheks> or: yes, nautilus pulls in gnome-desktop
[02:37] <pi0> the bare install is on a vm
[02:38] <pi0> with limited resources
[02:38] <pi0> my actual desktop is ubuntu full
[02:41] <pi0> oerheks: but not sure what the issue is with my ubuntu 20.04 and gsconnect
[02:41] <pi0> have you used gsconnect before?
[02:45] <sarnold> hmmm, someone was asking about gsconnect the other day, and this url came up https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230155/ubuntu-20-04-gsconnect
[02:45] <sarnold> the last answer looks potentially most useful
[02:58] <pi0> sarnold: are you on discord?
[03:00] <sarnold> pi0: is that the chat thing or the forum thing?
[03:06] <pi0> the chat app with screenshare in all
[03:06] <pi0> just trying to trouble shoot this gsconnect issue :/
[03:09] <sarnold> ah, no, no chat thing
[03:19] <pi0> sarnold: i ran a few commands from the link you provided however i got these new programms installed and now sure how to remove them
[03:19] <pi0> https://awwapp.com/b/ujokztoiisud6/
[03:19] <pi0> what is the best method to search for installed apps and complete purge them out
[03:19] <sarnold> dpkg -l | grep '^ii' will show you what you have installed
[03:19] <sarnold> apt purge packagename will remove it
[03:22] <pi0> thank you kindly
[03:25] <pi0> in regards to minicom
[03:25] <pi0> from that link, if the .desktop icon is not located in ./local/share/applications
[03:25] <pi0> where else can it be?
[03:25] <sarnold> /usr/share/applications/minicom.desktop
[03:26] <sarnold> I found that with apt-file search minicom.desktop -- I got lucky that the name was logical :)
[03:27] <pi0> oh that is how you find files
[03:27] <pi0> apt-file
[03:27] <pi0> it will searh the whole fs
[03:27] <sarnold> no
[03:27] <sarnold> it searches a database of packages and the files that the packages say they own
[03:28] <sarnold> the ubuntu repositories publish a file saying which packages own which files, and apt-file can download that database and search it easily
[03:29] <sarnold> if you want to search the whole filesystem, there's a few choices for that -- the mlocate package builds an index every day that you can search with 'locate', and the findutils package provides a 'find' command that will search whichever directories and children you specify for whatever criteria you specify
[03:30] <sarnold> (there's also a newer plocate command that's a milliion times better than locate, but it probably isn't in any ubuntu yet; and there's an fd command that should be faster than the find command, but it may also not be in ubuntu yet)
[03:36] <pi0> nice!
[03:36] <pi0> i have an application called imagemagick how do i know what other programs rely on this app to run successfully
[03:39] <sarnold> apt purge -s imagemagick  -- the -s asks to simulate removing it
[03:39] <sarnold> that'll only show packages known to apt to Depend: on imagemagick though -- any applications you may have installed outside of apt won't show up there
[03:55] <jpmh> I have read reports of issues with libgcrypyt that a user can gain root privs using gpg - how is this possible given that gpg does not have the setuid bit set
[03:59] <sarnold> jpmh: my *guess* is that whoever said this was thinking of supplying malicious apt repository contents and then exploiting the gpgv process that is run as part of apt update or apt upgrade commands
[04:01] <jpmh> sarnold: that does not fit with what I'm reading.  They say that with libgcrypt 1,9.1 a carefully crafted gpg message can exploit this
[04:02] <sarnold> jpmh: note that this is a GPG "message": http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/InRelease
[04:03] <jpmh> sarnold: OK - and how does such a message cause priv escalation if gpg does not have setuid
[04:08] <sarnold> jpmh: because unattended-upgrades runs as root; or sudo apt update runs as root
[04:09] <jpmh> sarnold: but all reports say that it is dectypting a specially crafted message
[04:10] <sarnold> jpmh: sure; an evil person could construct such a message, set up a web server on a cloud instance somewhere cheap, then perform DNS hijacking at a coffee shop or something to cause an ubuntu laptop to talk to *their* web server
[04:11] <jpmh> sarnold: I'm missing what you are siggesting here - how can gpg grant privs if it does not have setuid
[04:15] <sarnold> jpmh: ubuntu installs the unattended-upgrades package by default -- this run apt get update basically every night. as root. apt runs gpgv to verify the package lists. apt *may* use the _apt user account for this task, I'm not sure. If apt uses _apt, then the exploit would need to get gpgv to emit "OK". If apt doesn't use the _apt account for verifying the lists, then it'll use the root account
[04:17] <sarnold> jpmh: I've got to run -- if there's still a disconnect somewhere, try asking in #ubuntu-hardened, there's a chance someone else may be around
[04:17] <sarnold> jpmh: have fun :)
[04:18] <jpmh> sarnold: TY
[04:21] <vysty> I've built a new computer and installed Ubuntu 20.04. My previous machine is running Ubuntu 18.04. What is the best way to transfer my files and settings from the old to new computer?
[04:27] <deltab> vysty: if your user id is the same on both systems, then transferring the files on disk should be straightforward, assuming they're stored under /home or dedicated directories
[04:28] <deltab> vysty: or you can connect the machines using a network and rsync the files across
[04:36] <octav1a> having an issue where i can ping and resolve all website dns fine, but i get 'connection refused' for all sites trying to open them
[04:36] <octav1a> any idea what might cause it?
[05:03] <pi0> sarnold: arg!
[05:03] <deltab> octav1a: resolving to the right IP addresses?
[05:03] <pi0> my school comp pooped
[05:03] <pi0> Bluetooth: hci0: command 0x0c03 tx timeout
[05:03] <pi0> wont boot up into the os
[05:04] <deltab> octav1a: try tcptraceroute
[05:07] <pi0> is there any way to boot it up again
[05:14] <pi0> all of a suden
[05:14] <pi0> just did not boot up
[05:14] <pi0> does linux offer recovery boot
[05:16] <deltab> yes
[05:16] <deltab> what happens?
[05:16] <pi0> when i boot up my laptop macbook pro
[05:17] <pi0> Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Reset failed (-110)
[05:17] <pi0> it hangs on that
[05:18] <deltab> that seems to be a problem with some Bluetooth HCI (human/computer interface) device
[05:19] <deltab> at what stage in booting does that happen?
[05:20] <pi0> from the start
[05:20] <pi0> as soon as i hit power
[05:21] <pi0> it goes through the process and stops there
[05:22] <deltab> so the boot loader has started the kernel at least
[05:23] <pi0> i think so
[05:23] <deltab> you should be able to interrupt the boot process before the kernel starts and try the rescue mode
[05:24] <pi0> what is the hotkey to load that menu
[05:24] <deltab> I think any key will do
[05:25] <pi0> i will try space bar
[05:26] <pi0> "/dev/sda2: recovering journal"
[05:26] <pi0> "/dev/sda2: clean ...... "stuff"
[05:27] <deltab> good
[05:28] <pi0> those are the only 2 lines
[05:28] <pi0> then it goes back were we talk about
[05:28] <pi0> i cannot seem to find the recovery menu
[05:28] <pi0> if i boot it from a different usb
[05:28] <pi0> is that an option
[05:28] <deltab> yes
[05:28] <pi0> but what would i do then
[05:28] <deltab> depends on what the problem is
[05:29] <deltab> if it's software (a bad update, maybe) you could use the working OS to repair the broken one
[05:29] <pi0> well did just remove a lot of stuff
[05:29] <deltab> if it's hardware, you might be able to find out which device
[05:30] <deltab> what kind of stuff?
[05:30] <pi0> gnome
[05:30] <deltab> ah okay; that shouldn't affect the kernel
[05:33] <pi0> but not sure how to get to the recovery screen menu
[05:33] <pi0> were i can select a different kernel
[05:37] <deltab> that's the boot loader
[05:37] <deltab> do you know which boot loader your system is using?
[05:37] <deltab> or can you boot from another USB device?
[05:40] <pi0> not exactly sure
[05:40] <pi0> but once i boot with another usb
[05:40] <pi0> how do i select recovery from the hd itself
[05:44] <deltab> if your other OS works then use that
[05:46] <Hash> Hello my friend
[05:46] <Hash> I made a guitar video and some parts suck which would like to clip out, is the gui for the ffmpeg thingy who can do this or is there a good program in ubuntu 20
[05:46] <pi0> but its just off the usb
[05:46] <Hash> I don't know this.
[05:47] <Hash> Something like Windows Movie Maker (easy peasy, drop video, clip out parts, etc.)
[05:49] <Hash> It's probably easier to clip out using ffmpeg I guess. Then stitch em together. I wonder what happens if you cat a few video files into a new bigger video file. Does it mess up the encodings?
[05:49] <deltab> depends on the format
[05:52] <deltab> it might work perfectly, or with a stutter or glitch, or it might only play one part, or it might not play at all
[05:53] <deltab> and you might lose the ability to skip through the window smoothly or at all, or the sound might be desynchronised, etc.
[05:54] <deltab> try it, I guess; or look for video editing software; it's abailable
[05:55] <deltab> pi0: it should be able to access the hard drive
[06:03] <deltab> pi0: ah, holding shift should show the GRUB menu, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[06:04] <deltab> or press escape a few times
[06:05] <deltab> recovery mode gives you a root shell and not much else
[06:06] <deltab> so a live CD/USB is generally nicer
[06:06] <Hash> Ok I just used this program called mpv and noted times and use ffmpeg to slice out a thing
[06:06] <Hash> Now I have to figure out latency on the ubuntu 20.04 kernel and my reordings. I bought a mic
[06:06] <Hash> Oh ok I see, thanks for all the great info man
[06:06] <Hash> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7eTUtdAyaI I did this. Sound is a bit muddy
[06:07] <Hash> Is there an official RT kernel for ubuntu 20.04?
[06:07] <deltab> there's a lowlatency version
[06:09] <Hash> Hmm
[06:09] <Hash> I need like a multi channel, multi track thingy to record in.
[06:09] <Hash> Software I mean.
[06:10] <Hash> Say I play a drum track in it, and while it's playing, record guitar on another track
[06:14] <deltab> https://www.debugpoint.com/2018/08/3-best-daw-digital-audio-workstation-apps-ubuntu-linux/
[06:16] <Hash> Wicked.
[06:17] <pi0> how do i mount my hardrive
[06:17] <pi0> with boot usb
[06:19] <Hash> pi0: open console. as sudo/root type `fdisk -l` or 'lsblk' and find out the drive you want to mount
[06:20] <Hash> pi0: then depending on file system, you'd mount it with `mount /dev/sd(whatever) /your/mount/point'
[06:20] <Hash> Specifying whatever options you would need to pass.
[06:29] <deltab> pi0: if you boot using a live image it can start the GUI and you can use tools such as the Disks utility
[06:32] <pi0> well i was not able to recover from grub menu
[06:32] <pi0> but managed to mount the drive and cp to usb drive
[06:32] <pi0> thank you guys!
[06:32] <pi0> this really saved my hw
[06:47] <pi0> deltab and Hash thank you
[07:01] <Hash> welcome
[07:24] <pi0> how do i download the most current macbook pro firmware
[07:24] <pi0> for ubuntu
[07:24] <pi0> its an older comp
[07:24] <pi0> but i think it was a bluetooth firmware error
[07:37] <ztane> TypeError: null has no properties _onFocusChanged@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/closeDialog.js:135:9 :D going crazy with this gnome
[07:38] <ztane> 2.3 gigabytes of javascript errors from buggy gnome shell in 1 hour
[07:38] <ztane> yay.
[07:45] <ztane> wow... fix exists in upstream
[08:24] <nanthencodeneeth> i am using dell vostro 15-3568 i installed windows in uefi. how to install ubuntu through usb uefi
[08:31] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: try to access the run time boot menu and choose usb uefi
[08:32] <EriC^^> press f12 when the pc boots to get the menu
[08:32] <nanthencodeneeth> thank you Eric let me try
[08:32] <EriC^^> no problem
[08:37] <nanthencodeneeth> @Eric this is what i get when i press F12 https://ibb.co/tMN0zbt
[08:39] <nanthencodeneeth> EriC^^ ^ can you help me
[08:41] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: hmm im assuming the usb isnt the toshiba one, try to use a different usb port and repeat the process nanthencodeneeth so that it shows up in the list
[08:41] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: how did you make the ubuntu usb?
[08:41] <nanthencodeneeth> using startupdisk creator
[08:41] <nanthencodeneeth> option present in ubuntu
[08:42] <EriC^^> i see, that should do it
[08:43] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: try also to press F2, go to General  boot sequence and enable uefi and select the USB stoage device as checked and put it at the top of the list before the internal hdd
[08:44] <EriC^^> then press f10 to save and exit
[08:44] <nanthencodeneeth> EriC^^ https://ibb.co/B6mSwSX
[08:44] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: try to press 'add boot option'
[08:44] <nanthencodeneeth> @Eric ok i shall press that
[08:47] <nanthencodeneeth> https://ibb.co/sWRXBdp this is what i get
[08:47] <nanthencodeneeth> now what should i  do EriC^^
[08:49] <nanthencodeneeth> EriC^^ no usb listed in File system
[08:51] <ztane> nanthencodeneeth: mmm ... those are just hard disks all
[08:51] <ztane> partitions on the same device.
[08:52] <nanthencodeneeth> ztane yes how can i make my usb come there
[08:52] <ztane> hmm not sure if it can be in the secure mode, i guess you need to somehow enable the legacy boot mode anyway.
[08:53] <ztane> how could usb boot be safe anyway.
[08:54] <nanthencodeneeth> ztane cant i boot usb in uefi i am new to to all these stuffs and and to be frank i dont even know what uefi is
[08:54] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: what happens if you press on the browse below for 'filename'
[08:54] <nanthencodeneeth> i installed windows in uefi
[08:54] <nanthencodeneeth> and tried to install ubuntu in legacy
[08:55] <nanthencodeneeth> now that made me switch between uefi and legacy each time when i needed to boot windows or ubuntu
[08:55] <nanthencodeneeth> and i read that u should install ubuntu in uefi
[08:55] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: is ubuntu installed in legacy mode right now alongside windows? you can convert it from within the install to uefi
[08:56] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: try pressing filename, also make sure you try different usb ports in case it's having problems
[08:57] <nanthencodeneeth> ok EriC^^ let me try and will say in few minutes
[08:58] <nanthencodeneeth> i cant even select legacy now it is seems disabled
[09:02] <nanthencodeneeth> EriC^^ i changed usb to all the available ports no luck
[09:02] <nanthencodeneeth> its is not getting listed
[09:04] <EriC^^> nanthencodeneeth: does filename show any usb device you can browse for files?
[09:04] <nanthencodeneeth> no
[09:05] <EriC^^> ok, try to get it to boot in legacy mode as you did before
[09:05] <nanthencodeneeth> ok i shall boot in legacy mode
[09:05] <nanthencodeneeth> but how can i add windows to grub
[09:06] <EriC^^> we'll switch ubuntu to use uefi
[09:08] <aaabbbccc> !grub
[10:34] <Mikka> Hello!
[10:34] <Mikka> I have a question about postgresql on 20.04
[10:35] <Mikka> I deleted the directory /var/lib/postgresql/12 and I can't get it back
[10:36] <Mikka> I have reinstalled postgresql -12 -common -client  several times and it is never recreated ...
[10:40] <Mikka> Bah... silly.. had to remove /var/lib/postgresql too ... now it was recreated
[10:40] <Mikka> thanks ;)
[10:48] <akkonrad> is it possible to have topbar and launchbar visible on both screens?
[10:48] <akkonrad> ubuntu 20.10, gnome
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> mirror screens akkonrad
[10:50] <akkonrad> lotuspsychje: so you say that it's not possible? or it's gnome extension or smthg
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> akkonrad: no i mean, to see 2 the same screens you need to mirror them in settings
[10:52] <akkonrad> I don't want to see both screens, what I want to have is to have topbar and launchbar on both of them and different apps used
[10:52] <akkonrad> right now I've got it only on my primary screen
[10:52] <akkonrad> and the second one holds only the app
[10:52] <banisterfiend> hi,is there a simpler way to write this shell script https://pastebin.com/nHW5FGkJ /
[10:54] <EriC^^> banisterfiend: that looks pretty short
[10:55] <banisterfiend> EriC^^ it seems silly to have a conditional there tho, is there a way to do it without even requiring an if?
[10:55] <banisterfiend> the inverse logic oof bash sometimes confuses me
[10:55] <banisterfiend> i.e 0 is success and 1 is failure
[10:55] <banisterfiend> and how that works ni conditionals, is a mind f8ck
[10:56] <EriC^^> ldd | grep -q && return 0 || return 1 ?
[10:57] <EriC^^> banisterfiend: there's probably a better way to go about it, might try asking in #bash
[10:57] <banisterfiend> EriC^^ i was thinking i could leave out the returrn altogether
[10:58] <yossarianuk> hi  - anyone know when the point release is out ?
[10:58] <EriC^^> yeah, i was just thinking that
[10:58] <yossarianuk> i.e 20.04.2 ?
[11:04] <Marquel> morning.
[11:04] <Marquel> short cpu hotplug question: the system reports 8 cpus, of which four are currently offline and do not have their corresponding cpu*
[11:05] <Marquel> cpu*/ folder in the sysfs - how can i set them online?
[11:16] <TJ-> Marquel: are they hyperthreads (SMT) ?
[11:17] <Marquel> TJ-: virtual cpus from the hypervisor. they are listed in "offline".
[11:19] <TJ-> Marquel: if they are 'pretend' SMT they can be potentially disabled by boot-time kernel options to counter vulnerabilities - check the kernel log for clues
[11:21] <Marquel> pcpu-alloc reports CPUs 0 through 7, smp brings up 1 node, 4 cpus.
[11:21] <Marquel> basically works as intended, the four additional vcpus are intended to be available in case of load peaks. as is now.
[11:24] <TJ-> Marquel: maybe you have to mark them as online via the hypervisor?
[11:36] <Marquel> TJ-: indeed looks like it.
[11:36] <Marquel> and now a
[11:37] <Marquel> i am too much of a coward to try, while that thing is busy doing critical stuff and i can't afford an untinded reboot.
[11:39] <spanglesontoast> hello does anyone know how to fix Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 ?
[11:41] <Marquel> spanglesontoast: what means "to fix"? being cynical i could say "buy a proper NIC, not some cheap RealTek stuff", but beyond that "fixing" can mean too many things to just guess.
[11:43] <spanglesontoast> I mean the driver in the kernel doesn't actually work from the get go, it simply keeps retrying the connection even using dhcp.
[11:44] <spanglesontoast> what kernel version is provided on the 20.10 livecd ?
[11:45] <spanglesontoast> because that works
[11:48] <faLUKE> hello. After apt full-upgrade I obtain this on ubuntu 20.04: "
[11:48] <faLUKE> libopenmpi-dev:amd64 depends on openmpi-bin (>= 3.0.0-1); however:
[11:48] <faLUKE>   Package openmpi-bin is not configured yet
[11:48] <faLUKE> "
[11:48] <faLUKE> how can i fix it? thanks
[11:49] <Sbur3> Is there a channel for questions about setting up a 5.1 audio system to my 7.1 Asus Xonar AE audio card?
[11:49] <Sbur3> I am using Ubuntu
[11:51] <TJ-> faLUKE: "sudo dpkg --configure openmpi-bin"
[11:53] <faLUKE> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7zFs2fn53X/
[11:54] <faLUKE> TJ-: I'm trying this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62464085/openmpi-bin-error-after-update-kubuntu-18-04-to-20-04
[11:55] <faLUKE> TJ-: it worked, thanks
[11:59] <c03> hi
[12:00] <c03> I accidentally deleted all files on my boot partition. I am running a luks encrypted system partition, and an efi boot partition additionally. I have reinstalled the efi partition, but am unsure on how to recover the boot partition
[12:01] <c03> I am chrooted into the system partition with the boot partition mounted as /boot and the efi mounted as /boot/efi
[12:01] <c03> the efi partition has the esp and boot flags set.
[12:20] <TJ-> c03: you'll need to reinstall the installed kernels in order to put them back and cause building of the initialramfs initrd.img files and rerun grub-install and finally update-grub
[12:22] <TJ-> c03: "sudo apt install --reinstall $( apt list --installed 'linux-image-*' 2>/dev/null | cut -f 1 -d / | grep -v Listing ) "  should do the first part
[12:34] <c03> TJ-: Thanks
[12:39] <c03> TJ-: Getting an E: Internal Error, No file name for linux-image-5.4.0-62-generic:amd64
[12:41] <c03> Trying to just install linux-image-generic results in an error; Failed to create symlink to vmlinuz-5.4.0-62-generic: Operation not permitted at /usr/bin/linux-update-symlinks line 64
[12:50] <TJ-> c03: ahhh, looks like you've got a foreign-arch in there too to cause the ":amd64" arch label to be appended
[12:51] <c03> Yes, I got desperate and copied /boot from my laptop earlier. Horrible idea.
[12:52] <TJ-> c03: probably need to manually fix-up the 'apt install' command to avoid that
[12:52] <TJ-> if you haven't already, use this to get the list then edit it manually before feeding it to 'apt install --reinstall' " echo $( apt list --installed 'linux-image-*' 2>/dev/null | cut -f 1 -d / | grep -v Listing ) "
[12:52] <c03> TJ-: How do you mean? Currently I'm just attempting apt install linux-image-generic, and that fails on the symlink creation.
[12:53] <TJ-> hang on, maybe we need to refine the list to just the versioned images
[12:55] <reactormonk1> I've got an 18.04 machine here which doesn't always boot correctly - the BIOS does post every time, but afterwards I only get a black screen about 60% of the time - booting via recovery works 100% though, but the resolution is crap.
[12:55] <TJ-> c03: "sudo apt install --reinstall $( apt list --installed 'linux-image-5*' 2>/dev/null | cut -f 1 -d / | grep -v Listing | sed 's/:amd64//' ) "
[12:57] <c03> TJ-: The listing doesn't contain any :amd64 images
[12:57] <c03> (before the sed)
[12:58] <c03> So I'm not really sure where it gets the :amd64 from.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:28] <TJ-> c03: then :amd64 will be showing up as a Depends: of one of the parent packages, most likely linux-image-generic
[13:29] <nanthencodeneeth> GRub is not comming after installation of ubuntu 20.04 its booting into windows
[13:29] <nanthencodeneeth> any idea how to correct this
[13:32] <oerheks> nanthencodeneeth, hold left shift or esc key ?
[13:32] <oerheks> !grub
[13:33] <nanthencodeneeth> i installed windows first then i installed ubuntu .
[13:33] <nanthencodeneeth> @ubottu
[13:33] <oerheks> that should be oke
[13:37] <urmogo> hello, how to produce a core dump of 3rd party application
[13:37] <urmogo> apport seems to skip them
[13:39] <oerheks> if apport skips that coredump, nothing gets written in /var/crash/ .. But it is disabled by default in stable releases.
[13:40] <oerheks> sudo systemctl enable apport.service or sudo service apport start. to make it work again?
[13:41] <urmogo> it works but reports the app is not from apt source
[13:42] <urmogo> it's a custom program which crash sometimes and i would like to investigate why, but it's hard without core file
[13:49] <oerheks> ask themaintainer of that special app?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> or if its on launchpad ubuntu-bug package?
[13:52] <urmogo> ERROR: apport (pid 38996) Fri Dec 11 15:09:01 2020: executable does not belong to a package, ignoring
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> not an official ubuntu package?
[13:53] <urmogo> yea it's a compiled application
[13:53] <urmogo> I'm running Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS on rasberypi
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> urmogo: start it from terminal and leave a journalctl -f open to debug it yourself perhaps
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> urmogo: we only support the official ubuntu packages from the repos here
[14:00] <vlm> is there a way to set a data cap on outgoing traffic for an interface?
[14:01] <vlm> i mean not to limit bandwidth, i want to set a hard limit of outgoing data and then shut down the interface
[14:05] <Intelo> My audio speakers stopped working. Pavucontrol also does not shows them. I tried  sudo alsactl init 0; sudo alsa force-reload   but that does not helps. Any clues?
[14:11] <reactormonk1> Intelo, journalctl -b
[14:29] <Intelo> reactormonk1: https://termbin.com/lm3z
[14:33] <reactormonk1> Intelo, I assume builtin speakers?
[14:33] <reactormonk1> There's a few like pulseaudio[26996]: Error opening PCM device hw:4: No such file or directory
[14:34] <Intelo> reactormonk1: its a laptop having builtin speakers but I have connected external ones. both don't work
[14:34] <reactormonk1> Maybe there's something in dmesg that indicates a hardware failure?
[14:35] <Intelo> https://termbin.com/4ii0
[14:37] <reactormonk1> Intelo, what does the configuration tab of pavucontrol show?
[14:40] <Intelo> reactormonk1: https://imgur.com/7UYPq0k.png
[14:41] <reactormonk1> Intelo, does the first one offer you any configuration options if you click on it?
[14:41] <reactormonk1> ... also, is that the builtin audio?
[14:42] <Intelo> reactormonk1: the last 3 are all externals
[14:42] <Intelo> last two points to same mic I have
[14:43] <Intelo> don't know about the top one
[14:45] <reactormonk1> Intelo, if you click on the "off" on the top one, what do you get?
[14:49] <Intelo> reactormonk1: https://imgur.com/rXjuoHn.png
[14:50] <reactormonk1> Intelo, scroll up, look for "audio output" or "audio duplex"
[14:50] <reactormonk1> ... click on it
[14:52] <Marquel> TJ-: it was true, i had to do it from the hypervisor - the cpus started to appear in the VM and were startable (except no. 4 which refused to become online).
[14:52] <Intelo> reactormonk1: https://imgur.com/G5P09WB.png
[14:52] <reactormonk1> Intelo, ahh duh. I was hoping for an easy resolution.
[14:53] <Intelo> reactormonk1: in a nutshell what seems to be the problem?
[14:53] <reactormonk1> Intelo, I was _hoping_ it was just a bad pulseaudio config and it didn't show up in pulseaudio because of that.
[14:53] <reactormonk1> ... which isn't the case :-(
[14:53] <Intelo> hm
[14:53] <Intelo> ok
[14:54] <reactormonk1> Sorry, I was looking for anything that would point to something obvious, but I couldn't see anything.
[14:54] <TJ-> Marquel: thanks for letting us know :)
[14:58] <Marquel> TJ-: cpu4/online produced an I/O error when trying to write a 1 into it.
[15:31] <javi404> anyone having performance problem with 20.04.2?
[15:31] <javi404> radeon driver
[15:35] <javi404> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Ykf8HQJ9Kq/
[15:38] <genkgo> Hello, I have a question on network connections. I have a primary VPN that controls the full network (unchecked the local network only box). But I also have another VPNs with the local network box checked. When I first connect to the primary VPN, then I cannot connect to any IP of the second VPN. While if I first connect to the secondary VPN, I can reach both networks.
[15:40] <genkgo> How can I make sure the order of connecting to the VPNs does not matter?
[15:40] <summonner> sounds like a netmask or ip restriction in place for one of the VPNs. You might want to check in #networking genkgo - they're more on topic for that stuff
[15:40] <genkgo> summonner: thanks, will check there!
[15:53] <coconut> javi404, seeing no one answers: do you have the same problems on a recent 5.4 kernel?
[15:54] <javi404> coconut: im gonna have to check
[15:54] <javi404> let me save all my tabs and such and revert, what is the proper way to do that?
[15:54] <javi404> in fedora i just pick in grub
[15:54] <javi404> not sure ubuntu
[15:55] <javi404> also posted here just to document: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2457547&p=14018855#post14018855
[15:56] <coconut> javi404, you can do that too in grub with ubuntu iirc, and if not you can customize kernels in grub with "grub customizer".
[15:57] <javi404> ok, i guess let me test grub customezer in a vm before i do something crazy
[15:57] <javi404> i can't blow up this workstation at the moment.
[15:58] <javi404> i did recently enable grub so i can pick memtest86 on boot which doesn't work btw.
[15:58] <javi404> i had a mem problem / freezing, but reseated the dimms and all is solid now except the performance issue.
[16:02] <coconut> javi404, grub customizer is easy to use, i have it installed by default to change booting kernel versions when something is wrong.
[16:03] <javi404> coconut: so just install it, run it, that's it?
[16:03] <javi404> when i boot it will ask me?
[16:05] <coconut> javi404, no you change the grub config to boot a kernel version by default that you want, that's all. You just have to push the right kernel to the top of gui of grub customizer.
[16:05] <javi404> got it
[16:05] <coconut> The save it and let it run. After that, reboot and fingers crossed.
[16:05] <javi404> ok
[16:06] <oerheks> javi404, Radeon HD 4250 is below the minimum specs, that Radeon HD 5670/5690/5730 should be oke
[16:06] <coconut> *then
[16:06] <javi404> yeah, but there is a noticable change after the update
[16:06] <javi404> huge
[16:06] <oerheks> openradeon is for ATI 5xxx and up
[16:13] <zen_coder> how can I make sure that my files created on a samba share are all marked with read/write access of a certain group?
[16:15] <oerheks>  answered yesterday; zen_coder, with ACL ? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-manage-acls-on-linux
[16:15] <oerheks> anyway, writing as a member of that group should be sufficient, no?
[16:16] <zen_coder> oerheks: what I have atm is the new files create have read access by that specific group
[16:17] <zen_coder> but not write access
[16:17] <zen_coder> I used in the samba config the "force group" entry
[16:55] <ghost2911> Hi. What is the simplest way to set permissions 774 for user www-data, for a file or folder created inside /var/www ?
[16:56] <ghost2911> permissions should be set automatically when file or folder created inside /var/www I mean
[17:01] <coconut> The software updater keeps asking for removing old kernels in a popup a lot. Can i change that somewhere to not do that anymore? I want the kernels to stay.
[17:02] <pavlos> ghost2911: probably you need 775 for /var/www and owner www-data
[17:03] <ghost2911> pavlos probably, but I want that everytime something new created inside /var/www gets 775 and owner www-data
[17:03] <ghost2911> no matter what )
[17:04] <sanderx> Hi all! I recently upgraded from Ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04 and had a problem during that upgrade with initramfs. It is probably this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1897747
[17:05] <sanderx> Although everything seems to be working as expected I want to be sure. How can I check that everything is working as expected?
[17:05] <pavlos> ghost2911: chmod 775 -R /var/www and chown www-data:www-data /var/www
[17:07] <ghost2911> pavlos, yes this sets once permissions what happens if you create a new file
[17:08] <ghost2911> If I'm root then the file gets root user and group also but I want www-data
[17:08] <ghost2911> I saw sgid could do the thing at least for owners
[17:10] <pavlos> ghost2911: if owner of /var/www is www-data, any file/dir created under, will inherit that dir's owner/perms
[17:11] <ghost2911> no it takes default the user you are using
[17:12] <seamammal> i can google but if anyone knows why my 20.04 ubuntu dont recognize my sony mico sd card :)
[17:12] <seamammal> :(
[17:12] <seamammal> drives me mad
[17:12] <seamammal> content in the micro sd from sony camera is not shown on ubuntu altho the OS does recognize and open the sd card
[17:13] <ghost2911> that's why you have all those acl, umasks etc cause by default is not enough sometimes
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> seamammal: recover data with photorec, then try to reformat with gparted
[17:20] <seamammal> ok hope it works thanks
[17:24] <seamammal> lotuspsychje:  which one to download:)? https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/gpart
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> seamammal: sudo apt install gparted testdisk
[17:25] <sla3k> Hey all, so I wanted my user to do 'sudo su' without a password and added 'myuser ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' to '/etc/sudoers' file; followed by logging out and login back, when I do sudo su it is still asking for a password? following one of the posts here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/426644/allowing-sudo-su-without-password-over-ubuntu
[17:26] <sla3k> what is it that I am doing wrong? thanks
[17:26] <sla3k> OS: Ubuntu 18.04
[17:30] <leftyfb> sla3k: log out and back in
[17:30] <leftyfb> sla3k: also make sure your line in the sudoers file is above any include lines
[17:31] <sla3k> leftyfb: did that
[17:31] <sla3k> a couple of times actually
[17:31] <compdoc> sla3k, create a file like:   /etc/sudoers.d/010_sla3k-nopasswd
[17:32] <compdoc> in the file write:  sla3k ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[17:34] <sla3k> LOL, looks like I locked myself out, FML..getting error on sudo su now, syntax error in /etc/sudoers
[17:35] <sla3k> Since this is a fresh VM off of Proxmox, I'll just go ahead and re-install and start afresh
[17:37] <micros> Does anyone know of a service that can check a processes main thread liveliness  (verify its not long term blocked)?  I checked some suggestions from earlier but they arent quite the right thing.  Like a heartbeat request/response, or a way to do this through the proc file system; or other method.  Possibly, make a case why its not needed?
[17:37] <leftyfb> sla3k: when you make these changes, you should always use visudo
[17:38] <micros> leftyfb - oh yes, learned that the hard way!
[17:38] <leftyfb> I also make sure to login on another terminal and su to root and leave it logged in in case I need to fix anything
[17:38] <leftyfb> as root*
[17:39] <sla3k> I generally do all the above if this would be critical VM but I am just playing around, my ub16-docker VM is very well intact and I would think twice messing with that one
[17:49] <seamammal> thanks it works
[17:50] <yosin_> anyone know any g ood guides to installing tensorflow on ubuntu mate?
[17:50] <yosin_> theres not many helpful places to go and i keep coming across an error
[17:51] <leftyfb> yosin_: you'll have to seek support from https://www.tensorflow.org/install
[17:53] <yosin_> leftyfb: ok thank you. it pulls up an error saying Defaulting to user installation because normal site-packages is not writeable
[17:54] <yosin_> so i figured it was more of a generic issue than a tensorflow issue
[17:54] <leftyfb> yosin_: that error sounds specific to the installer, not ubuntu
[17:55] <Intelo> reactormonk1: thanks its ok :) I appreciate
[17:57] <DaCheat> Hello -- having an issue with gvfsd and gvfsd-backends nautilus and thunar won't show any network backends, reinstalled gvfsd and gvfsd-backends (happens on 18.04 and 20.04)
[17:58] <DaCheat> i get "failed to open / on ". Operation not supported when i try to hit "browse network"
[17:59] <DaCheat> also seeing this: GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: 12:59:30.514: g_volume_monitor_get_mounts: assertion 'G_IS_VOLUME_MONITOR (volume_monitor)' failed
[18:05] <yosin_> thank you lefty
[18:10] <sla3k> compdoc: creating a file under /etc/sudoers.d/ worked without any issues
[18:10] <sla3k> Thanks ;) cheers
[18:10] <compdoc> good
[18:11] <compdoc> its nice not having to type your password all the time
[18:12] <sla3k> Yea, specially when it's a sandbox
[18:18] <dave_uy> I have a machine which is failing to update zfsutils-linux (0.8.3-1ubuntu12.6).  Message has been passed, we can let it rest now
[18:54] <Maik> agreed
[18:55] <javi404> ugh, there is a driver on the amd site, from 2015
[18:56] <javi404> that doesn't sound safe
[18:56] <sanderx> Got disconnected. Did anyone respond to my question regarding a the problem with initramfs during the upgrade?
[18:57] <javi404> sanderx: what issue are you having?
[18:57] <sanderx> During upgrade it complained about somehting with initramfs. It might be this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1897747
[18:59] <sanderx> It seems as if the upgrade otherwise went smoothly. But I want to be sure that nothing is broken...
[18:59] <sanderx> My question would be: How can I do that? In particular, how can I check if anything is wrong with initramfs or something depending on it?
[19:03] <semitones> Hey, feeling like a noob here trying to use putty to connect to a ubuntu server. I want to match the host keys, but they are showing in different formats. PuTTY is showing me the ssh-ed25519 key fingerprint in a hex format. ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ed25519_key.pub is showing it to me in a sha256 format. ssh-keygen -E md5 ssh_host_ed25519_key.pub doesn't work. Am I on the right track
[19:08] <semitones> looks like I was putting -E in the wrong place. Oops
[19:09] <dave_uy> I created a forum post here. Any help would be appreciated! https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2457556
[19:10] <leftyfb> semitones: why are you using putty to ssh when ssh is already built into ubuntu?
[19:11] <semitones> The computer I am using to connect to the ubuntu server is a windows one.
[19:11] <semitones> at the moment
[19:17] <javi404> sanderx: i get an error on kernel upgrades because I'm booting off of md devices
[19:17] <sanderx> What is an md device?
[19:18] <sanderx> And did that distro upgrade include a kernel upgrade?
[19:20] <pavlos> sanderx: I think md = software raid
[19:23] <hispeed> better join ubuntu since centos is dead :D
[19:24] <compdoc> too late, ubuntu membership is closed
[19:26] <hispeed> ohh but I know someone from the ubuntu community so i have connections
[19:27] <compdoc> alrighty then
[19:29] <UnexpectedEOF> what is nice?
[19:29] <UnexpectedEOF> I read a bit about it
[19:30] <oerheks> not much to read: man nice;  nice - run a program with modified scheduling priority
[19:31] <hispeed> compdoc I already run one ubuntu server so at least I know how to install it, hehe.
[19:32] <UnexpectedEOF> I mean, how will it affect the program?
[19:32] <oerheks> with more/less priority?
[19:32] <UnexpectedEOF> less
[19:32] <UnexpectedEOF> like -20
[19:33] <oerheks> What the effect for your situation means, you will find out?
[19:33] <UnexpectedEOF> there is a program that I don't want to use up too much cpu
[19:34] <UnexpectedEOF> a bot that I run that I don't care too much about
[19:36] <sanderx> @pavlos thanks.
[19:37] <sanderx> javi404, I don't think that is the case for me.
[20:09] <pavlos> UnexpectedEOF: you can, "man nice" to read all about nice
[20:10] <pavlos> UnexpectedEOF: also, "man renice"
[20:11] <UnexpectedEOF> ok
[20:11] <UnexpectedEOF> thank you
[20:41] <f4ulty> hey fam <3
[20:42] <matsaman> heyo
[20:42] <f4ulty> heyo! :D
[20:42] <f4ulty> man, I have missed IRC :D
[20:43] <f4ulty> old EFNet head from 20+ years ago :P
[20:48] <sarnold> it's a bit quieter these days but still the best place to get help :)
[20:50] <f4ulty0ne> absolutely :D
[20:50] <f4ulty0ne> 100.
[20:50] <f4ulty0ne> anyone have an opinion on keybase?
[20:50] <f4ulty0ne> trying it out :X
[20:51] <matsaman> for what, exactly?
[20:53] <RadSurfer> SOMEONE please explain why putting "Dock" on right-hand side obscures those 3 buttons needed to access OTHER ITEMS of your applications? How do we then switch to the other pages of applications?!?
[20:53] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: can you explain what you are referring to? What version of Ubuntu?
[20:54] <RadSurfer> 20.04
[20:54] <RadSurfer> You know that panel of "favorites" that appears usually on left-hand side? slide-out panel?
[20:54] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: the "dock" is on the left side by default
[20:54] <RadSurfer> Yes, but when moved... how do we switch between pages of applications
[20:55] <RadSurfer> Try placing it on Right hand side... it covers up 3 BUTTONS
[20:55] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: does this happen to new windows you open or just existing windows?
[20:55] <RadSurfer> what windows?
[20:55] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: the windows with the buttons you're referring to
[20:55] <RadSurfer> this is about accessing the collection of applications (icons)
[20:56] <matsaman> did Ubuntu actually officially make the dock moveable? I thought that was always third party hacks
[20:56] <RadSurfer> Yes, you have been able to move it for a long time now
[20:56] <matsaman> cool
[20:56] <RadSurfer> except its weird how its implemented
[20:56] <matsaman> it's probably really hacked in =P
[20:56] <RadSurfer> Grrr....
[20:56] <RadSurfer> and he doesn't know what I mean by switching between pages of apps
[20:56] <leftyfb> matsaman: nah, it's right in the default settings
[20:57] <matsaman> leftyfb: cool
[20:57] <matsaman> RadSurfer: screenshot would make it apparent to anybody
[20:57] <RadSurfer> At BOTTOM of the panel, theres these little DOT-pattern, by clicking on that Dot pattern, brings up a NEW screen of Applications to select (launch)
[20:58] <RadSurfer> there are usually 3 pages of those applications I can launch, understand now?
[20:58] <RadSurfer> I want to know how to manually switch between them... a keyboard short cut
[20:58] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: I hit the <super> key and type the application I want to open. I mainly don't use the icons in the dock
[20:59] <leftyfb> application *name
[20:59]  * RadSurfer sighs
[20:59] <RadSurfer> anyone have a clue what I'm describing here?
[20:59] <JoeLlama> Hi there!  I have older (2007) Intel Core 2 computers with SATA 1 and 4G memory running at 2.4 GHz.    What version of Ubuntu do you guys think I should get and where do I get it please? :)
[20:59] <RadSurfer> 3x3 dot pattern takes you to where I am describing...
[21:00] <RadSurfer> I like that question JoeLlama :)
[21:00] <JoeLlama> thanks RadSurfer
[21:00] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: have you tried lubuntu or ubuntu mate?
[21:01] <JoeLlama> I have used xubuntu
[21:01] <RadSurfer> Oh! I figured out my problem! doh!
[21:01] <RadSurfer> xubuntu was very cool in its day; haven't tried it recently!
[21:01] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: try lubuntu and mate
[21:02] <matsaman> JoeLlama: not dedicated GPUs?
[21:02] <JoeLlama> hrm I had issues with lubuntu leftyfb
[21:02] <matsaman> no* dedicated GPUs? that is
[21:02] <JoeLlama> the GPU is GeForce 8600
[21:02] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: feel free to try ubuntu mate or ask for help with lubuntu when you're running it
[21:02] <matsaman> well any dedicated GPU is going to make any "fancy graphic features" work perfectly fine
[21:02] <matsaman> any dedicated GPU whatsoever
[21:02] <JoeLlama> hrm ok
[21:02] <RadSurfer> for what it's worth, after clicking on that 3x3 dot pattern from slide-out "panel", goto ALL applications, then just type Down-array, or page-down! it advances!
[21:03] <JoeLlama> how does lubuntu compare to xubuntu?
[21:03] <matsaman> JoeLlama: it's meant to be lighter
[21:03] <matsaman> I couldn't tell you if it is
[21:03] <JoeLlama> and should  I use 16.04
[21:03] <RadSurfer> less elaborate desktop
[21:03] <matsaman> the nature of Debian/Ubuntu binary packages is such that a lot of optional support is built-in
[21:03] <matsaman> so Xfce comes with GNOME support you don't need
[21:03] <matsaman> and LXDE probably comes with similar things you don't need
[21:04] <JoeLlama> unno what those are matsaman
[21:04] <matsaman> JoeLlama: you should use the latest LTS version of Ubuntu at the very least
[21:04] <matsaman> Xfce is the desktop environment Xubuntu uses; LXDE is the one Lubuntu uses
[21:04] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[21:04] <JoeLlama> xubuntu worked pretty well
[21:04] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso  that will give you 32bit 18.04. But you'll have to install your own desktop packages including your D
[21:04] <matsaman> GNOME is essentially the default Ubuntu desktop, it is comparatively enormous
[21:04] <leftyfb> DE*
[21:04] <matsaman> as is KDE
[21:05] <JoeLlama> what version of xubuntu should I use>
[21:05] <matsaman> Xfce is a lovely desktop
[21:05] <f4ulty0ne> this true? - keybase app acquired by ZOOM.
[21:05] <f4ulty0ne> :/
[21:05] <matsaman> whichever is the newest that isn't a beta
[21:05] <matsaman> f4ulty0ne: that's what I heard yes
[21:05] <matsaman> f4ulty0ne: what is it you even want keybase for?
[21:05] <f4ulty0ne> omfg.
[21:05] <f4ulty0ne> :X
[21:05] <f4ulty0ne> I thought keybase was a neat chat app.
[21:05] <f4ulty0ne> over it now :D
[21:05] <matsaman> I mean you have IRC, so...
[21:06] <f4ulty0ne> and dang glad :D
[21:06] <JoeLlama> I dunno what archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso is
[21:06] <matsaman> all chat system protocols can be encrypted at this point
[21:06] <f4ulty0ne> !!!
[21:06] <JoeLlama> what is mini.iso?
[21:06] <matsaman> JoeLlama: probably just a smaller image that is uglier during installation
[21:06] <matsaman> and the same after installation
[21:07] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: it's a stripped down installer
[21:07] <javi404> anyone running radeon kernel driver on 20.04.2
[21:07] <javi404> ?
[21:07] <JoeLlama> hrm leftyfb said I will have to install a desktop package with it... where do I get that>
[21:07] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: during the install it should ask you which desktop to install
[21:07] <matsaman> JoeLlama: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04.2/release/
[21:07] <JoeLlama> okay leftyfb so what is that iso?  xubuntu?
[21:07] <matsaman> JoeLlama: chances are you have an amd64 architecture
[21:08] <JoeLlama> matsaman it's core 2 intel
[21:08] <JoeLlama> hrm...
[21:08] <matsaman> JoeLlama: that's amd64
[21:08] <JoeLlama> oh ok :) heh
[21:09] <JoeLlama> so then I am looking at Xubuntu 20.04.2 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[21:09] <JoeLlama> how does that compare with your link leftyfb?
[21:09] <matsaman> 'bionic' is for version 18; there's really no reason to not use 20.04 at this point
[21:09] <f4ulty0ne> hey fam, anyone recommend a good BNC/ZNC?
[21:09] <f4ulty0ne> I was checking out xshellz
[21:09] <leftyfb> oh, ok, if it's 64bit, then go with 20.04
[21:09] <leftyfb> f4ulty0ne: please keep on topic here. This is Ubuntu support
[21:09] <JoeLlama> hrm ok ok
[21:09] <leftyfb> !ot | f4ulty0ne
[21:10] <JoeLlama> so th3n I am going with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/20.04.2/release/
[21:10] <f4ulty0ne> sorry lefty, forgive me :(
[21:10] <f4ulty0ne> won't happen again
[21:10] <f4ulty0ne> <3
[21:10] <matsaman> JoeLlama: desktop-amd64, yes
[21:10] <JoeLlama> o k !
[21:10] <JoeLlama> thanks guys (:
[21:10] <matsaman> JoeLlama: if it turns out you don't like it
[21:10] <matsaman> JoeLlama: you can always change your desktop environment without reinstalling
[21:10] <matsaman> if you want
[21:10] <JoeLlama> what's not to like :)
[21:11]  * matsaman shrugs
[21:11] <JoeLlama> okay thanks bye for now
[21:11] <matsaman> later on
[21:26] <goodTimesImmort> Ideally I'm trying to copy the contents of a folder from local to remote where duplicates are replaced and other files already ther are left intact.
[21:26] <goodTimesImmort> Would this be the result of scp -r directory/ me@server: /home/destination_with_different_name/
[21:26] <goodTimesImmort> Or is that just going to copy the directory into the destination?
[21:30] <leftyfb> goodTimesImmort: look into rsync
[21:32] <matsaman> goodTimesImmort: does sound like plain rsync -a or -av would do what you want
[21:33] <goodTimesImmort> Thank you for your guidance random citizens. I shall do some research.
[21:35] <matsaman> rsync -av ./dir/ user@host:some/other/place/
[21:36] <matsaman> just be careful with the trailing slash with rsync
[21:36] <matsaman> rsync -a ./dir else/where/ will create else/where/dir/, but rsync -a ./dir/ else/where/ will fill else/where/ with /dir/'s contents
[21:37] <matsaman> when in doubt I would say always use a trailing slash for directories, and always explicitly include the name you want at the end of the destination path
[21:39] <matsaman> and if you use sshfs to mount the destination ahead of time, instead of using user@host:path, you can just specify the path, and you'll get tab completion
[21:48] <toonstruck> heya peeps, anyone alive? I am in desperate need of hints/help...I have set up ssmtp ( works perfectly, tested sending via commandline ) and trying to get php mail to send mails... php reports everything as working fine but I never get any mails
[21:51] <pi0> in .desktop how to i launch an app as root
[21:53] <f4ulty0ne> toonstruck, are you using wordpress?
[21:54] <f4ulty0ne> PHPmailer()
[21:54] <leftyfb> pi0: what application do you think you need to run as root?
[21:54] <toonstruck> no, just simply the built in mail function<EMAIL_ADDRESS>subject, message) )
[21:55] <pi0> thinkorswim
[21:55] <pi0> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM warning: ignoring option MaxPermSize=256m; support was removed in 8.0
[21:56] <pi0> getting this error message
[21:56] <f4ulty0ne> pi0.. sick nick :D
[21:56] <f4ulty0ne> like it.
[21:56] <leftyfb> pi0: why on earth would you want to run that as root?
[21:57] <pi0> f4ulty0ne: thank you :)
[21:58] <toonstruck> f4ulty0ne: any ideas? :P  I did edit php.ini to reflect ssmtp location and flags
[21:58] <f4ulty0ne> pi0: soy-tain-ly :D
[21:59] <f4ulty0ne> certainly :D
[21:59] <pi0> leftyfb: not sure how to resolve this issue
[21:59] <leftyfb> pi0: contact Ameritrade for support with it. I can tell you running it as root is not the right solution.
[22:01] <f4ulty0ne> Ameritrade, meh :/
[22:09] <toonstruck> and then there was silence :P
[22:11] <mihael> How do I setup this in netplan? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qXcKHmDphy/
[22:12] <f4ulty0ne> lulz
[22:12] <f4ulty0ne> :X
[22:13] <leftyfb> mihael: https://getlabsdone.com/how-to-configure-netplan-network/#VLAN-interfaces-on-ubuntu-using-netplan
[22:14] <leftyfb> mihael: example of MTU setting: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-bionic-netplan
[22:15] <leftyfb> toonstruck: feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic for chat. This is a support channel where there isn't constant chatting
[22:19] <mihael> leftyfb: thank you
[22:49] <PaulDot> Hey, I'm having an Issue while trying to dual-boot Ubuntu 18.04. It throws the error "failed to load ldlinux.c32 ". Could anyone help me??
[22:52] <oerheks> did you check the iso after download?
[22:52] <oerheks> !md5sum
[22:53] <PaulDot> No, let me try that
[22:53] <oerheks> and how did you write the iso?
[22:53] <PaulDot> Using Rufus
[22:54] <sarnold> ah, try again with dd
[22:54] <PaulDot> dd?
[22:54] <oerheks> depends on the host
[22:54] <PaulDot> what are u on about?
[22:54] <oerheks> if linux, yes, dd the iso
[22:55] <PaulDot> nah, my main thing is windows
[22:55] <PaulDot> so i'm running the Rufus flash on windows
[22:55] <PaulDot> and then I'm trying to boot ubuntu from the USB
[22:56] <PaulDot> I'm on windows, so that brew thingy won't' work :P
[22:57] <oerheks> sarnold, rufus is officially mentioned, i am not fond of it either https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
[22:57] <oerheks> but thing is, is this an UEFI machine or legacy bios?
[22:57] <PaulDot> I tried both
[22:57] <PaulDot> first normal UEFI
[22:57] <PaulDot> then the legacy bios
[22:58] <PaulDot> both didn't work
[22:58] <sarnold> oerheks: zounds that's a lot more complicated than I expected
[22:59] <oerheks> you should choose whatever windows is installed in.
[22:59] <oerheks> UEFI should go fine
[22:59] <PaulDot> k, lemme try again with just UEFI
[22:59] <oerheks> ldlinux.c32 error suggests the iso is damaged
[22:59] <PaulDot> I just re-flashed it, still the same
[23:00] <PaulDot> so, how do I check the integrity of the iso file?
[23:00] <genii> !shasums
[23:00] <genii> Hm
[23:01] <PaulDot> well, that works like a charm xD
[23:01] <oerheks> read back?
[23:01] <oerheks> !md5sum
[23:01] <genii> oerheks: I knew it was something like that....
[23:01] <PaulDot> But, hohw do I run this on windows...
[23:02] <PaulDot> I don't have brew installed
[23:02] <PaulDot> Should I just install that?
[23:03] <oerheks>  winMD5Sum. https://askubuntu.com/a/607829
[23:03] <genii> Windows has a sum checker built in already called certutil
[23:04] <PaulDot> k, hold on, lemme try that
[23:05] <genii> So something like:    CertUtil -hashfile C:\wherevertheisofileis\isofile.img MD5
[23:05] <PaulDot> oh sweet
[23:07] <PaulDot> one sec
[23:09] <PaulDot> output: 44343bc1373c6dc826ebb58839155c39
[23:11] <PaulDot> now what? Compare that to another one
[23:11] <PaulDot> now what? Compare that to another one?
[23:14] <sarnold> there should be an MD5SUMS file on the archive with the md5sum of the iso you've downlaoded. in the directory
[23:30] <arooni> anyone have this problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1245108/some-snap-apps-dont-start-second-or-subsequent-time ;; snaps like authy only seem to launch the first time (20.04)
[23:31] <sarnold> arooni: is there anything in journalctl output?
[23:34] <arooni> sarnold:just "Feb 04 16:37:42 LilArooni snapd[1542]: storehelpers.go:551: cannot refresh: snap has no updates available: "authy", "canonical-livep" and Feb 04 17:27:06 LilArooni albert.desktop[10059]: 17:27:06 [DEBG:applications] Indexing desktop file: authy_authy.desktop`"
[23:36] <sarnold> arooni: hmm none of those sound like trouble :(
[23:49] <arooni> apparently others have had this issue before


[12:14] <bac> frankban: were you able to grab my branch?
[12:15] <frankban> bac: yes
[12:15] <bac> frankban: good.  i hope it is helpful.
[12:16] <bac> see you tomorrow
[12:16] <frankban> bac: it is, thank you, have a good day
[12:17]  * frankban lunches
[13:26] <gary_poster> teknico, re-reviewed just for the heck of it.  Looks good.  I had an important thought for an upcoming branch.  Are tests running now?  Do you just need a second review?
[13:52]  * gary_poster cheers bcsaller1
[13:53] <bcsaller1> gary_poster: :) There may still be some issues but its a real improvement and Makyo already has a start on the next branch stacked on that one
[13:53]  * gary_poster also cheers for a GUI branch that does  not touch the Makefile :-P
[13:53] <gary_poster> great bcsaller1
[13:53] <bcsaller1> indeed
[13:54] <gary_poster> bcsaller1, for kanban board, which one is Makyo working on?  Will drag it into the coding lane
[13:54] <bcsaller1> relations
[13:55] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[13:57] <gary_poster> bcsaller1, if you review hazmat's annotations branch then he will have two reviews and can land, and will clear up space in secondary story
[13:57] <bcsaller1> gary_poster: I'll do that this morning then
[13:57] <gary_poster> thanks
[14:01]  * teknico is officially back to work :-)
[14:01] <gary_poster> frankban, benji or Makyo if you could give teknico his second review that would help move things along also
[14:02] <gary_poster> hey teknico :-)
[14:02]  * benji looks
[14:02] <teknico> gary_poster, I did not yet run tests, only had time to make changes and push them this morning
[14:02] <gary_poster> ack teknico
[14:02] <teknico> I'd like to test that code a little more, at least manually
[14:03] <teknico> probably a unit test on the "build" function would also be appropriate
[14:03] <teknico> but would delay things more
[14:04] <teknico> gary_poster, I'd also like to clear my head about something that puzzles me quite a bit, this: https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/juju-gui/1091787/+merge/140528
[14:05] <gary_poster> teknico, do what you think is necessary for this to be acceptable, pushing things to another branch where possible.  If you want to talk through that with someone, me or anyone else, feel free, but I leave that decision to you.
[14:06] <gary_poster> teknico, MP: which part?
[14:06] <teknico> gary_poster, all of it. Can we have a quick call on it, with bac and possibly you and/or benji?
[14:06] <gary_poster> teknico, bac is out today
[14:07] <teknico> oh, great :-/
[14:08] <gary_poster> teknico, I think bac did it because of some issues that frankban and he encountered.  frankban does that sound right?  anyway teknico, why don't you and I talk it through and then we can figure out if we need more people in on it.  let's see if juju-ui is open
[14:08] <teknico> gary_poster, anyway, you approved that branch, so you likely have some knowledge/opinion on it :-)
[14:08] <gary_poster> yes
[14:08] <gary_poster> I'm in juju-ui teknico
[14:08] <teknico> gary_poster, sure, maybe frankban could have a say too, if bac discussed it with him
[14:08] <gary_poster> teknico, I'd like the two of us to talk about it first
[14:09] <gary_poster> then we can bring others in if necessary
[14:42] <goodspud> Quick question: if I can download an installer for Juju to my Mac and run it form my desktop... why can't I do this in Ubuntu?
[15:20] <gary_poster> goodspud, juju is in software center/debs; would be the equivalent of being in the Mac app store
[15:21] <gary_poster> bcsaller, I got sidetracked.  Would a daily call be helpful today, or is the current happy state relatively obvious?
[15:21] <bcsaller> gary_poster: I think we are doing fine today
[15:22] <gary_poster> cool bcsaller, thanks.  I'll get back to review...at 11:30.  If you get someone else to beat me to it that's fine
[15:28] <gary_poster> bac bcsaller benji frankban goodspud hazmat Makyo teknico  call in 2
[15:29] <gary_poster> bcsaller, also IMO and in yellow's past, pairing counted as a review.  If we all agree with that then your branch already has a review from Makyo, yeah?
[15:31] <gary_poster> bcsaller, starting without you
[15:38] <gary_poster> bcsaller, want to tell me the issues on hangout for your speed, or here?
[15:39] <bcsaller> back to hangout :)
[15:42] <hazmat> bac, so apparently its golang 1.0.3 which has the bug for http client.. sadly that s the latest version.. 1.0.2 should work
[15:52] <frankban> gary_poster: to create a stable release without needing to change trunk, it is ok to just modify CHANGES.yaml (replacing "unreleased" with a version number, and then "BRANCH_IS_CLEAN=1 FINAL=1 PROD=1 make dist"?
[15:54] <gary_poster> frankban, I want to be helpful, but I don't like it as a precedent or as part of history (we want to be able to relate a release to a revision).  Maybe there's another approach we could have to make this fast.  Quick hangout in juju-ui?
[15:54] <frankban> gary_poster: sure
[16:13] <frankban> gary_poster: could you please review another Makefile quick fix? https://codereview.appspot.com/6965048
[16:16] <gary_poster> frankban, approved and I'm ok with you just landing
[16:17] <frankban> thanks gary_poster
[16:29] <hazmat> gary_poster, blame canada ;-)
[16:29] <gary_poster> :-)
[16:40] <frankban> gary_poster: release failed :-( the error seems to be related to BRANCH_IS_CLEAN, which executes "bzr missing --this". the latter raises a "bzr: ERROR: No peer location known or specified" failure.
[16:40] <gary_poster> :-( hm
[16:41] <gary_poster> frankban, use BRANCH_IS_CLEAN=1 and I will file a bug
[16:41] <frankban> gary_poster: ok
[16:45] <frankban> gary_poster: trying BRANCH_IS_GOOD, because also IS_TRUNK_BRANCH does not seem to work with checkouts
[16:45] <frankban> (it tries to grep for the parent branch)
[16:46] <gary_poster> frankban, :-( it worked at one point.  benji ^^ I'll file bugs for this stuff
[16:46] <benji> hmm
[16:46] <gary_poster> frankban, I'm guessing when you make a temporary release in the charm you already are saying BRANCH_IS_GOOD?
[16:49] <frankban> gary_poster: no, I only use NO_BZR=1.
[16:49] <benji> frankban: the release machinery is meant to be used with a branch of trunk, not a checkout
[16:49] <gary_poster> benji, oh, that's not the way I had it
[16:49] <frankban> gary_poster: and it works...
[16:49] <gary_poster> benji, sorry
[16:49] <gary_poster> frankban, sorry
[16:50] <benji> gary_poster: we discussed this and decided branches would be at least as good as a checkout and arguably better
[16:50] <gary_poster> frankban, if it works then that's all I care about :-)
[16:51] <frankban> gary_poster: no. it works in the charm, when I create a local distfile from a lightweight checkout
[16:51] <gary_poster> benji, ok.  Maybe you could connect with frankban after this is done to run though the releae process
[16:51] <gary_poster> that we have documented
[16:51] <gary_poster> and figure out what could be documented better
[16:51] <benji> sure
[16:52] <gary_poster> thanks
[16:52] <frankban> gary_poster: ok. proceeding with BRANCH_IS_GOOD?
[16:53] <gary_poster> frankban, yes.  If we have a revision that is distinctly associated with a release, I'm happy for now.
[16:54] <gary_poster> teknico, I filed low priority bug 1092199 and bug 1092204 per our discussions
[16:54] <_mup_> Bug #1092199: Makefile build target is misnamed <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092199 >
[16:54] <_mup_> Bug #1092204: We copy YUI assets rather than symlinking them <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092204 >
[16:54] <teknico> gary_poster, great, thanks!
[16:54] <gary_poster> welcome, thank you
[17:00] <gary_poster> lp2kanban appears to be dead
[17:00] <gary_poster> I think bac is the one with the keys
[17:01] <gary_poster> bcsaller, I filed bug 1092208, and put both it and Nick's bug 1091616 in the secondary story tasks
[17:01] <_mup_> Bug #1092208: Pending relation line is not getting events <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092208 >
[17:01] <_mup_> Bug #1091616: Unusual drag/zoom behaviour <regression> <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1091616 >
[17:01] <bcsaller> gary_poster: thanks
[17:02] <gary_poster> welcome
[17:03] <frankban> gary_poster: done! https://launchpad.net/juju-gui/stable
[17:03] <gary_poster> benji, "Checklist for Making a Release" in trunk begins with  Get a checkout of the trunk:: ``bzr co lp:juju-gui``. :-) I am making a bug to update this, and will ask you to do it when you get a chance next
[17:03] <gary_poster> yay frankban! L0(
[17:03] <gary_poster> :-)
[17:03] <gary_poster> one-off smiley
[17:04] <frankban> :-)
[17:08] <gary_poster> benji, filed bug 1092216.  I asked whoever tackles it to consult with you; alternatively you can clarify the process in the bug; alternatively you can consult with yourself :-)
[17:08] <_mup_> Bug #1092216: Release documentation is incorrect <juju-gui:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1092216 >
[17:09] <gary_poster> oh lp2kanban, where are thou
[17:09] <benji> heh
[17:10]  * gary_poster completes filing bugs and goes to have a bit of lunch before reviews
[17:12] <teknico> gary_poster, quick questio, how long did it take from deploy/expose commands to finish?
[17:12] <teknico> I can't deploy a working environment, for some reason :-/
[17:29] <gary_poster> teknico, about 20 minutes
[17:29] <gary_poster> teknico, what does juju status say?
[17:30] <teknico> gary_poster, I need to wait a little more then
[17:30] <teknico> gary_poster, always this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1450398/
[17:31] <gary_poster> teknico, it's been less than 20 minutes?  If not, I would ssh  to the machine and do a top or ps and see what's going on
[17:31] <gary_poster> look at the log too of course
[17:32] <gary_poster> which might show that it is doeing something in the Makefile, which is another file you can tail
[17:32] <gary_poster> doing
[17:32] <teknico> gary_poster, using juju-ssh juju-gui/0 , as you mentioned?
[17:32] <gary_poster> teknico ``juju ssh 1``
[17:32] <gary_poster> it's the machine number.  maybe unit works as well
[17:32] <teknico> ok
[17:33]  * gary_poster steps back to lunch break, trying to fix disposal :-)
[18:09] <gary_poster> yay frankban :-)
[18:10] <gary_poster> teknico, if you are heading to your EoD soon and you are still seeing problems with your branch, consider trying to pass it off to me to see if I can move it along any
[18:10] <gary_poster> I'm willing, and might have some time
[18:11] <teknico> gary_poster, that's probably a good idea
[18:11] <teknico> gary_poster, 40m now, not yet started, and "juju ssh 1" does not work either :-(
[18:11] <teknico> maybe something wrong in my environments.yaml file?
[18:11] <frankban> gary_poster: heh, the diff is a bit long, I am sorry, but there are a lot of tests
[18:12] <frankban> at least
[18:12] <gary_poster> teknico, weird :-/ if you want to have a call let me know
[18:12] <teknico> gary_poster, I need to fix this problem in short order, but you're right, no need to hold this up any more
[18:12] <gary_poster> frankban, yeah, I think you are forgiven for the diff length ;-)
[18:12] <teknico> gary_poster, so consider the branch passed off to you :-)
[18:13] <teknico> gary_poster, I added the docs and fixed the other "build" invocation as discussed
[18:13] <frankban> :-)
[18:17] <teknico> gary_poster, yes, if you have time maybe a (hopefully short :-) ) call could help
[18:27] <gary_poster> teknico, join me in juju-ui whenever you are ready
[18:39] <gary_poster> bcsaller, for some reason every one of the rietveld pages for your branch shows "error: old chunk mismatch."  Example: https://codereview.appspot.com/6971045/diff/1/app/app.js
[18:39] <gary_poster> Any idea why?  Makes it difficult to review :-)
[18:39] <hazmat> gary_poster, i suspect it needs a merge from trunk.. i noticed that as well
[18:40] <hazmat> gary_poster, so its kinda of wierd
[18:40] <gary_poster> hazmat, ah ok.  bcsaller could you try and fix?
[18:40] <hazmat> gary_poster, you can got at it from the backside and it works..
[18:40] <gary_poster> or redo or something
[18:40] <gary_poster> hazmat, backside do you mean MP or bzr branch or someth?
[18:40] <hazmat> gary_poster, i think it might an issue in reitveld
[18:41] <gary_poster> ah ok
[18:41] <hazmat> if you start from the index in the middle its okay https://codereview.appspot.com/6971045/patch/1/6
[18:41] <hazmat> but if you start at the top and use j/k to navigate they all show that error
[18:41] <gary_poster> oh, it is the side-by-side that is broken
[18:41] <hazmat> gary_poster, yeah
[18:42] <gary_poster> still not so good for reviews :-P
[18:52] <teknico> hazmat, fyi, the eu-west-1 region does not seem to work with juju, at least for the juju-gui charm
[18:52] <teknico> and now I'll go
[20:03] <gary_poster> hey jimbaker.  I asked jitsu test for verbose logging with -v and it's not been as verbose as I hoped for. This is all I've got, almost 40 minutes into the test: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1450714/
[20:03] <gary_poster> Did I do something wrong, or could I get better logs, or is this a place where jitsu test could do a better job in the future
[20:14] <benji> has anyone else seen this?  I am running my tests by requesting "http://localhost:8084/test/?grep=login%20mechanism".  It only works intermittently.  Most of the time I get a completely blank page.
[20:14] <gary_poster> I have not benji, but I haven't used grep in a while.  bcsaller or Makyo would be people to ask
[20:15] <gary_poster> benji, also a problem in trunk?
[20:15] <benji> I haven't tried on trunk.
[20:51] <gary_poster> jimbaker, also, it looks like we don't have stdout/stdin from the test so we can't run debuggers, like pdb, which is a drag.  I think the debugging story right now is the most difficult
[20:51] <gary_poster> given the logging and break point issues
[21:11] <gary_poster> I need to run.  I'm still trying to figure out the charm test situation with nicola's branch.  I hope frankban has some good tips


[13:34] <MTecknology> I'm getting really really sick of IE
[13:34] <cjohnston> lol
[13:35] <MTecknology> is it really that hard to look at a standard and say hey, we should do that if the rest of the world is assuming that we'll do it
[13:37] <MTecknology> i mean.. "hey, the rest of the world says that the width of a drop down refers to the complete width that the object will take up. that doesn't make sense... let's make it the width that the text portion will use up, add the drop down arrow to the end, and then let the web devs figure out the rest"
[13:38] <MTecknology> or.. "hey, every other browser on the planet supports these features but i dunno if i feel like it. lemme stick both me fingers in me nose and say i dun feel like it"
[13:38] <MTecknology> cjohnston: so... how've you been?
[13:51] <cjohnston> not bad.. yourself?
[13:52] <MTecknology> I was good until i woke up and got to start trying to hack crap together for IE
[13:52] <MTecknology> and i get to deal with cvs now
[13:53] <cjohnston> lol
[13:53] <MTecknology> cjohnston: pitty me yet?
[13:55] <cjohnston> definatly dont envy you :-P
[13:56] <cjohnston> I'm taking care of a sick 4 year old.. want to trade?
[13:57] <MTecknology> if you can get this done - gladly
[13:57] <cjohnston> lol
[13:58] <MTecknology> I have a fiancee that would love to help me too - cuz i don't know crap about taking care of kids, only about how to make them happy
[13:58] <cjohnston> hehe
[13:58] <MTecknology> cjohnston: what do you think about this? http://staging.profarius.com/
[13:59] <cjohnston> newz2000: fwiw when you get some time, I'd like a minute :-)
[13:59] <newz2000> hey cjohnston, I'm here, whats' up?
[13:59] <MTecknology> the rounded corners and faded edges are all css that ie doesn't support so everything is very blocky in comparison
[14:00] <cjohnston> wanted to figure a time to schedule a meeting with those who are interested in the project
[14:00] <newz2000> this week I have a lot of availability, exception being first thing Thursday morning Central time
[14:01] <newz2000> next week I'll be very hard to reach
[14:01] <cjohnston> hmm
[14:01] <cjohnston> im wondering if thats enough notice for people
[14:01] <newz2000> you may not need me at the meeting if you want to do it next week
[14:01] <newz2000> I really think you can handle it
[14:01] <cjohnston> lol
[14:02] <cjohnston> only worry for me would be technical questions
[14:02] <cjohnston> MTecknology: I like it alot
[14:02] <newz2000> I will pin down the sysadmins this week to try and get their approval for the idea I suggested
[14:02] <cjohnston> ok
[14:02] <newz2000> if so, then the technical people here should be able to handle it
[14:02] <cjohnston> should we wait to have the meeting until after the approval probably?
[14:02] <MTecknology> cjohnston: cool :) - I don't know what to do about the IE crap :(
[14:02] <cjohnston> who cares
[14:03] <newz2000> MTecknology: graceful degredation
[14:03] <cjohnston> is that too mean
[14:03] <MTecknology> newz2000: it's not too bad in IE, just very blocky features
[14:04] <MTecknology> http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php
[14:04] <newz2000> seems a small compromise
[14:05] <MTecknology> I suppose considering it's a community site ~80% of viewers will have something standards compliant??
[14:06] <newz2000> the main ubuntu.com site is the exception with 35% IE users. Most of the rest of our sites are less than 20%
[14:06] <newz2000> (many are more like 5% IE users)
[14:06] <MTecknology> oh, perfect then :)
[14:24] <MTecknology> newz2000: do you think that theme we came up with is different from what you guys are coming up with enough or not enough?
[14:24] <MTecknology> I know I need to update the image but aside from that I think we're pretty close.
[14:25]  * newz2000 looks again
[14:26] <MTecknology> we haz pretty drop down menus too :D
[14:28] <newz2000> I think I'm going to defer on answering this one. Would you mind bringing it up on the mailing list? I can then forward it on to a few people who can give the best answer.
[14:28] <MTecknology> ok
[14:34] <cjohnston> thanks newz2000.. more email
[14:34] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:34] <newz2000> yeah, well, we're at about 5 per month currently so this will probably be a crushing burden. :-)
[14:34] <cjohnston> i was meaning for me
[14:35] <MTecknology> cjohnston: try signing up for the debian mentors list :P
[14:35] <cjohnston> no thanks
[14:45] <MTecknology> cjohnston: you could help me write some cod
[14:46] <MTecknology> e in C
[14:46] <cjohnston> #include <stdio.h>
[14:46] <cjohnston> I think
[14:46] <cjohnston> :-)
[14:48] <MTecknology> yup, now you know as much as me, help me mash together two .c files into one
[14:48] <cjohnston> lol
[14:48]  * cjohnston is taking a test ;-)
[16:10] <cjohnston> newz2000: who is in charge of the ubuntu start page for FF?
[16:11] <newz2000> cjohnston: it's the online services team, aka ubuntu one
[16:11] <newz2000> Do you need a name?
[16:11] <cjohnston> it still has a design error that needs to be fixed
[16:12] <newz2000> cjohnston: let me see where to report bugs, I think on launchpad
[16:12] <cjohnston> its already been reported
[16:12] <cjohnston> months ago
[16:12] <cjohnston> im trying to find it
[16:13] <newz2000> ok, I can assign it to the right person I think
[16:13] <cjohnston> we need to sit down one day and go through website bugs together
[16:13] <cjohnston> ;-)
[16:15] <cjohnston> I could even provide a fix.. I just cant get it where it needs to go
[16:15] <cjohnston> lol
[16:18] <cjohnston> newz2000: bug 523837
[16:18] <ubot3> Malone bug 523837 in ubuntu-start-page "on 10.04 Google startpage, the border box is broken in ffox (works in chromium)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523837
[16:19] <newz2000> ok, thanks cjohnston
[16:19] <cjohnston> hmm... bug 442876 interesting newz2000
[16:19] <ubot3> Malone bug 442876 in ubuntu-translations "provide localized versions of help.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442876
[16:20] <newz2000> I think the doc team has a policy on this
[16:20] <newz2000> I can't remember what it is though
[16:20] <cjohnston> on the localized pages?
[16:20] <newz2000> no, on localizing help.ubuntu.com
[16:20] <newz2000> it used to be localized
[16:21] <cjohnston> ic


[20:25] <eslam_LinUxer> * it says
[20:26] <maxcell_> Bashing-om, nevermind you already answer
[20:26] <godFuture> Bashing-om, it did not work
[20:27] <maxcell_> Bashing-om, doesn't matter if is bootable or not
[20:28] <Bashing-om> maxcell_: All that matters is that the boot code is installed .. and that you direct in bios what device to boot . bios will hand off to the boot code location .
[20:28] <maxcell_> Jordan_U, Bashing-om if i install grub in /dev/sdb without removing it from /dev/sda first, it will result in a conflict somehow? if yes how can i remove it from /dev/sda?
[20:28] <maxcell_> Bashing-om, i get that
[20:28] <maxcell_> Bashing-om, dont worry
[20:29] <lordcirth> maxcell_, no conflict.  If it's not loaded by BIOS, it won't do anything.
[20:29] <maxcell_> lordcirth, and since the /etc/grub is equal for everyone, no conflict at all, right?
[20:30] <lordcirth> maxcell_, correct.
[20:30] <Bashing-om> maxcell_: I am a firm believer in hands on administration of the system . there are 2 ways that I am aware of to control what I want as the booting authority .
[20:32] <maxcell_> 2 wauys
[20:32] <maxcell_> lordcirth, ok
[20:32] <maxcell_> cool
[20:32] <lordcirth> However, I'm not sure how apt autoupdating grub will work
[20:34] <maxcell_> lordcirth, if the /dev/sdb grub install works and my bios let me put the SSD as a default booting disk i would like to uninstall grub from /dev/sda, did you know how to do that?
[20:36] <Jordan_U> maxcell_: Why do you want to remove grub from sda? I would recommend always having grub's boot sector installed to both drives so that it doesn't matter which your BIOS boots from.
[20:36] <gebruiker> I have patches bundled into one file, how can I extract them into seperate patches_
[20:36] <gebruiker> ?
[20:36] <maxcell_> Jordan_U, yes i'm going to let him on both, then im going to test the /dev/sdb, if i works i don't see why having that on both drives helps
[20:37] <akik> maxcell_: if you have a mbr setup, you can clear grub from the disk by erasing the first 446 bytes from the beginning of the disk
[20:37] <fishCode> akik, that is not a good way to clear the grub
[20:38] <akik> fishCode: yes well it works. is there some other way?
[20:38] <fishCode> akik, if anything you should just erase the MBR, a dos boot disk i know will do that with fdisk
[20:38] <reisio> gebruiker: if you have a patch that's a set of diffs and you only want some, just separate them out with a text editor
[20:38] <fishCode> akik, i am assuming there must be a similar command in linux if dos has that capability
[20:38] <reisio> gebruiker: diff -u <(echo foo) <(echo bar)
[20:39] <fishCode> akik, or just download and create a dos boot fisk
[20:39] <fishCode> akik, that has the format mbr functionality
[20:39] <akik> fishCode: you're suggesting to use a dos boot disk instead of running a dd command from linux
[20:40] <fishCode> akik, i am suggesting using a tool designed specifically for the task of formatting the mbr rather than giving a byte definition that could be in error
[20:40] <fishCode> akik, so yes i am but for good reason
[20:40] <fishCode> akik, if grub is the issue then you should reinstall grub using the proper grub install commands
[20:41] <fishCode> akik, that will similarly find the MBR itself and take care of it for you
[20:41] <akik> fishCode: maxcell_ asked for a specific task which can be accomplished very easily from linux
[20:41] <fishCode> which was to clear the mbr right?
[20:42] <akik> fishCode: yes
[20:42] <fishCode> akik, sounds scary but if thats how its done good stuff
[20:43] <akik> fishCode: this applies to the mbr scheme only: "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdXn bs=446 count=1"
[20:44] <akik> fishCode: well i made a type already :)
[20:44] <akik> fishCode: this applies to the mbr scheme only: "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=446 count=1"
[20:44] <akik> so from the beginning of the disk
[20:44] <glsls> hola
[20:44] <fishCode> ah i see
[20:45] <fishCode> well thats pretty cool
[20:45] <fishCode> i did not know about that
[20:45] <akik> it preserves the partition table
[20:45] <fishCode> right, that is very useful - i did not know that existed
[20:47] <glsls> quit
[20:48] <howudodat> hey guys, I need some help upgrading from 15.10 to 16.04.  I encountered this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1611470 and applied the diff and still had errors.  I was able to completely unwind the upgrade and am back to a solid 15.10 build with no updates pending.
[20:49] <ccc> clear
[20:57] <CountryfiedLinux> How do I transfer iTunes songs from my phone to Ubuntu?
[21:01] <OerHeks> maybe you can transfer them, but not play them (drm)? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone
[21:02] <CountryfiedLinux> ok thanks OerHeks
[21:03] <reisio> Ubuntu comes with an app that will sync from & to iPhoos
[21:04] <OerHeks> *bought songs i mean, own created mp3 are no problem
[21:08] <meldron> hi guys, i just installed 16.04 and activated work spaces, ctrl + alt + up (arrow key) is not working to change the work space all the ohter combinations (ctrl + alt + left down right) are working, anybody had a simular problem?
[21:10] <OerHeks> meldon, no issue here, is there a windowpanel crossing the boundry to next workspace? that might prevent switching
[21:11] <OerHeks> hold alt and left-mouse should drag window
[21:13] <meldron> OerHeks: i think it has something to do with the shortcut, if i want to set it in ccsm it wont accept the up arrow key after i pressed ctrl alt
[21:16] <meldron> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1475442973.png this shortcut
[21:18] <meldron> hm its working with the other control key
[21:25] <m0ltar> Hi! Does anyone know how to set the hard "file open limit" systemwide?
[21:25] <m0ltar> I have mongo that is using almost a million open files ... stupid mongo
[21:25] <m0ltar> and it is crashing because the limit is too low, but whatever i try to raise it has no effect
[21:26] <OerHeks> m0ltar, you might want to reask in #ubuntu-server too
[21:27] <akik> m0ltar: it's set in /etc/security/limits.conf
[21:27] <m0ltar> OerHeks: thanks!
[21:27] <m0ltar> akik: yes, I changed that to read: *                hard    nofile          1000000
[21:28] <squarecircle> ohai, got two questions: how do I can tell two of my screens to keep static, while the other two change the workspace? I'm working with Ubuntu 16.04 and Gnome 3
[21:28] <reisio> squarecircle: you'd need a customized window manager, or multiple X servers
[21:29] <squarecircle> and: my nginx is currently not accessing the php-fpm ... which results in blank pages, I'm a bit confused though
[21:29] <reisio> the latter is more straightforward
[21:29] <reisio> using php will tend to produce confusion
[21:29] <squarecircle> reisio: can't help fastcgi_split_path_info ^(.+\.php)(/.+)$;
[21:29] <squarecircle>                 fastcgi_pass   unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock;
[21:29] <squarecircle>                 fastcgi_index  index.php;
[21:30] <squarecircle> oops, dafuq?
[21:30] <squarecircle> this should have not been pasted o.O
[21:31] <beanzies> lol
[21:31] <Bashing-om> m0ltar: https://underyx.me/2015/05/18/raising-the-maximum-number-of-file-descriptors <- Raising the Maximum Number of File Descriptors (Open Files) on Ubuntu 14.04 Trusty // 16.04 systemd is different .
[21:31] <beanzies> Any of you still run ubuntu 14? Just curious
[21:31] <m0ltar> Bashing-om I have systemd
[21:31] <squarecircle> reisio: Gnome 3 allows the user to change the workspace on the primary screen and ignore the secondary ones. I need just that for two screens :)
[21:32] <m0ltar> And it does have limits set in the service file, but I commented them out
[21:32] <Jordan_U> beanzies: Please don't poll the channel.
[21:32] <m0ltar> and i tried higher limits too, but nothing
[21:32] <beanzies> Jordan_U: My bad
[21:32] <squarecircle> beanzies: until half an hour I did and then I'm again fixing nginx :/ because 16.04 breaks everything again :(
[21:32] <m0ltar> main thing though is that ulimit -n always reports low number no matter what. i tweaked all settings and even rebooted and still 64k as it was
[21:33] <Bashing-om> m0ltar: See: https://sskaje.me/systemd-ulimit/ per service ??
[21:33] <m0ltar> Bashing-om: yes the service has LimitNOFILE set. But as I said, I tried commenting it out completely and also setting it to a high value 1000000 and has no effect
[21:34] <m0ltar> my understanding is that service file config can only set soft limit, and hard limit is always set by the system
[21:34] <reisio> squarecircle: you'd need a customized window manager, or multiple X servers
[21:34] <reisio> the latter is more straightforward
[21:35] <m0ltar> and since mongo is running under mongodb user, which is not power user, it cannot surpass the system hard limit. but that's just what I think, it may not be actually accurate
[21:35] <reisio> sure that's a feature & not a bug? :p
[21:35] <squarecircle> reisio: only thinking about this does make me unhappy
[21:35] <squarecircle> reisio: I really like Gnome
[21:37] <Bashing-om> m0ltar: Your understanding of systemd surpasses my own . Regrets that I do not know further .
[21:37] <m0ltar> Bashing-om: "lsof | grep mongod | wc -l" shows that mongo is using almost a million open files (running under root)
[21:37] <reisio> squarecircle: it's open source, so you can customize its own wm if you want
[21:37] <reisio> using multiple X servers wouldn't require that, but has its own complications obviously
[21:43] <guzzlefry> Does anyone know of any personal account software on par with Quicken?
[21:43] <squarecircle> reisio: I'll maybe write a patch for Gnome
[21:43] <squarecircle> not that I'd like that though :P
[21:50] <shadaloo> can someone help me troubleshoot my bluetooth sound?
[21:50] <shadaloo> at every boot I have to repair the bluetooth headset to receive audio
[21:51] <shadaloo> re-pair*
[22:43] <paolo_> hi all
[22:43] <paolo_> anyone here?
[22:44] <paolo_> guys, i'm searching for a program like microsoft access for SQL and databases
[22:44] <paolo_> any solution?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> paolo_: Just us chickens .
[22:45] <paolo_> lol ì
[22:45] <paolo_> any solution?
[22:46] <sjohnson> Bashing-om: bock bock
[22:50] <Bashing-om> pavelz: I am sure many of us can not relate to " microsoft access " ; What is your goal ?
[23:02] <thoom> I upgraded my home NAS today from 14.04 to 16.04, and I'm having trouble getting my ZFS pool to mount automatically at boot. Running "systemctl start zfs-mount.service" mounts the pools just fine, but it's not happening at boot for some reason.
[23:03] <thoom> After the upgrade, I uninstalled the old zfs-on-linux packages and installed the new zfsutils-linux, so I'm in kind of unfamiliar territory
[23:05] <OerHeks> systemctl enable ..should set the service on boot, iirc
[23:05] <thoom> I have repeatedly run systemctl disable/enable, but it doesn't seem to help
[23:10] <thoom> Hmm, this is interesting. Despite running "systemctl enable zfs-mount.service", "systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled | grep zfs" comes back empty, as does "find /etc/systemd/ -name "*zfs*"
[23:23] <thoom> Figured it out after some fiddling. What I was supposed to run was "systemctl enable zfs.target", not "systemctl enable zfs-mount.service"
[23:24] <OerHeks> oh good find
[23:47] <m0ltar> I can "sudo su $user", but cannot "sudo -u $user ls" (get "Sorry, $USER is not allowed to execute as $user" error). What gives?
[23:49] <Ben64> m0ltar: well, the user you're using doesn't have permission to run as a different user
[23:49] <m0ltar> yet I can complete become that user?
[23:49] <Ben64> yep
[23:49] <m0ltar> that makes no sense :)
[23:49] <Ben64> it's how you set up your sudoers
[23:50] <m0ltar> so I need to edit sudoer to allow myself
[23:55] <TheFocus> morning has anyone any ideas about this error for kubuntu:
[23:55] <TheFocus> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[23:55] <TheFocus> klauncher said: Could not find the 'kf5/kio/smb' plugin.


[05:26]  * ccheney got his pc put together and running burnin now
[05:32] <ccheney> memtest takes forever on this system :-\
[05:33]  * ccheney needs to get memtest86+ 4.00 into karmic
[05:33] <ccheney> supposed to work better with the new chips and be much faster too
[05:43] <ccheney> wow win7 autodetects drivers on first boot if you swap a drive into a new machine, none of that old xp bluescreen mess
[05:43]  * ccheney is using it to do burnin testing
[05:47] <Amaranth> Wow, that's actually pretty impressive
[05:47] <Amaranth> Win7 also doesn't lose all your work if the display server crashes :)
[05:47] <ccheney> it was perfect on the second reboot, i was impressed they actually fixed something
[05:48] <ccheney> not quite as good as ubuntu (which works on first boot) but pretty good
[05:49] <Amaranth> ccheney: Does it boot in some sort of safe mode the first time then?
[05:51] <ccheney> yea
[05:52] <ccheney> well i think so anyway, it booted into low res mode, but didn't say it was safe mode, and begin detecting hardware immediately
[06:01] <ccheney> wow the i7 860 has a high max temp (100C) its hitting 73C with linpack with a good hsf
[06:02] <ccheney> looks like i should have plenty of room though with 27C before hitting max
[06:32] <ccheney> memtest86+ 4.00 seems a lot faster
[06:33]  * ccheney may be wrong though it claims only 25% done at test 6 now
[06:34] <ccheney> it has fixed the reserved memory area that it couldn't test its now only 200K on my system
[06:34] <ccheney> iirc on one of my systems it shows up as ~ 300MB and was > 100MB with this one with old memtest
[06:49] <mac_v> hmm... does update manager prompt for password *twice* for anyone else?
[06:55] <Amaranth> does pidgin get installed for anyone else? :)
[06:56] <Amaranth> ccheney: all intel processors since the core duo have a 100C max afaik
[06:56] <Amaranth> Mine usually idle around 40C and hit 80C under full load
[07:00] <mac_v> Amaranth: yeah why is pidgin getting installed... i thought rick said empathy was default
[07:00] <Amaranth> mac_v: seb128 added a Recommends: pidgin-libnotify to libpurple0 instead of pidgin
[07:00] <mac_v> hehe!
[07:05] <ccheney> Amaranth: my c2d (conroe) reports 90C
[07:21] <ccheney> Amaranth: working in memtest at 4.30GHz so far, will be working on it for a while i imagine
[07:24] <ccheney> 4.41GHz, whee
[07:24]  * ccheney doubts its stable enough to get into win7
[09:52] <Laney> If I keep skipping tracks, the notifications queue up instead of cutting in as before
[09:52] <Laney> anyone else seeing this?
[09:59] <tgpraveen> which is meant to be the final GDM theme? http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu910finalartwork-large_005.jpg or http://i37.tinypic.com/wraxxl.jpg?     why doesn't it loook like the mockups which were so beautiful like http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SrwNNZ_JEYI/AAAAAAAADM8/oZ5p_A84zN8/s1600-h/image%5B7%5D.png
[11:20] <Laney> where does software-center get its screenshots from?
[11:21] <didrocks> Laney: IIRC, there was a blog post two weeks ago about that on planet ubuntu
[11:22] <Laney> didrocks: know who from?
[11:22] <Laney> it looks like screenshots.d.n but I'm seeing a missing one
[11:25] <didrocks> Laney: http://bloc.eurion.net/?p=355
[11:25] <didrocks> so, http://screenshots.debian.net/
[11:26] <Laney> didrocks: check out smuxi
[11:26] <Laney> it has a screenshot on that website but not in s-c
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> hey Amaranth - sorry, I didn't get a chance to get back to you about your compiz workaround last night
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> it's working anyway:)
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> (and I see it's uploaded too now)
[15:29] <tgpraveen4> is there a do-not-distrub mode planned for karmic for session-indicator?
[15:44] <tgpraveen4> cassidy: kenvandine do the sounds now work in karmic for empathy like when new message arrives or someone calls etc?
[15:58] <tgpraveen4> found it bug #400485
[17:02] <switchgirrl> hi
[17:02] <switchgirrl> what do i need to get a strawberry imac to work?
[17:03] <switchgirrl> ie on ubuntu / xubuntu
[17:05] <mac_v> !topic | switchgirrl:
[17:05] <mac_v> switchgirrl: #Ubuntu for help
[17:31] <c_korn> what is the start script of indicator-applet supposed to do ? sh -c "sleep 60 && python /usr/share/gnome-panel/add-indicator-applet.py"
[17:31] <c_korn> why does it sleep for a minute ?
[19:19] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - if you haven't figured it out already that script adds the indicator-applet to existing panel config's on upgrade
[19:20] <chrisccoulson> it sleeps so that loading the python interpreter doesn't slow down your log in every time
[19:22] <c_korn> aha, ok. I was just looking for some explanation why indicator-session-applet crashes after login for me. so I stumbled over this.
[19:24] <c_korn> it is this bug. I attached a video: ttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/436181
[19:24] <c_korn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/436181
[19:26] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - yeah, i see that crash sometimes as well
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> the lack of assertion message is a pain but it doesn't mean that you can't still look at the backtrace though
[19:27] <chrisccoulson> you can apport-unpack the crash file to get the backtrace
[19:27] <c_korn> ah, I will try that.
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> and if there are missing symbols, just install the missing packages and run the coredump through GDB to get a new backtrace
[19:28] <chrisccoulson> you'll still miss the assertion message, but the stacktrace might be almost enough to have some idea where it crashes
[19:28] <c_korn> fine, I think ted is very interested in a backtrace
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - i've got a partial backtrace here
[19:29] <chrisccoulson> i suppose i should try generating a better one from the coredump i've got too, but i just haven't had enough time yet
[19:32] <c_korn> where is the report file located ?
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> /var/crash
[19:39] <c_korn> fine, now I need these missing symbols
[19:39] <c_korn> I do not think the applet has a dbg package
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - the symbol packages are here: "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com karmic main restricted universe multiverse"
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> (thats for your sources.list
[19:42] <chrisccoulson> )
[19:43] <c_korn> there are debugging symbols for each package ?
[19:46] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - yeah, the debugging symbols are stripped at build time by pkg-create-dbgsym, and put in to a separate repository
[19:46] <c_korn> oh, if I knew that it would have saved me a lot of time.
[19:57] <c_korn> ok, now there is something seriously broken here: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/25771/screenshot_002_GaQd0K.png
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - that looks pretty broken
[20:04] <chrisccoulson> tried restarting the panel?
[20:05] <c_korn> I restarted karmic. fixed it.
[20:18] <c_korn> chrisccoulson: apport does not create a backtrace any more
[20:20] <c_korn> am I doing something wrong? http://pastebin.com/d117fbf50
[20:20] <chrisccoulson> c_korn - i'm getting that too
[20:21] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to load the symbol files manually, but it still doesn't work
[20:21] <chrisccoulson> so, i'm not sure what to do yet;)
[20:22] <c_korn> hm, maybe ted has an idea
[21:05] <Amaranth> chrisccoulson: yeah, mvo decided the best way to test it was to get it in the beta :)
[21:07] <Amaranth> ccheney: get an OOo build going on that thing yet? :)
[21:44] <mdke> hi. Does anyone have any bright ideas about how to refer to the indicator-applet in documentation? i.e. "to lock your screen, click [...]"
[21:44] <mdke> it was pretty easy when the thing was in the System menu, but now I'm struggling
[21:44] <Amaranth> No idea, I just say "that thing by the clock with your name on it" :P
[21:45] <mdke> yeah, I'm tempted...
[21:57] <mdke> but then you need to add "unless you don't have it, in which case it's in the System menu"
[21:58] <mdke> gah
[22:02] <Amaranth> It's the magically moving Lock Screen button
[22:18] <ccheney> Amaranth: not yet
[22:18] <mdke> ok I've gone for "Click your username in the top panel and select ... "
[22:19] <Amaranth> mdke: Yeah, if they move it or remove it they probably don't need that bit of documentation anyway so that should cover it
[22:19] <mdke> guess so
[22:30] <jpds> Can't we just use Ctrl-Alt-L?
[22:36] <mdke> jpds: nice, yeah I think we should include that
[22:36] <mdke> jpds: but we still need to use the explanation for the shutdown and log out actions