[06:55] <anthony> johnny: I'm not sure if this is a real solution but can you create that folder yourself and then try to "dpkg" the deb again?
[06:55] <packman_e> hello all
[06:55] <jrattner1> Hendric: I've done, I cant get it to work, I figured VESA would work on anything
[06:55] <Crys_Ubu_PC> Hey all.
[06:55] <kevogod> I still can't believe that Microsoft went to South Africa.
[06:56] <Hendric> jrattner1, wats your Vcard??
[06:56] <johnny> hmm.. it still says the same thing..
[06:56] <johnny> that's weird..
[06:56] <Crys_Ubu_PC> Would fsck fail if fstab no longer correctly described my disc?
[06:56] <jrattner1> ATI Mobilitity Radeon X6000
[06:56] <erirlar> i have removed windows now and im going to install breezy, but what do i do with GRUB? do i install it in MBR or in /boot --> hda2 ?
[06:56] <jrattner1> Hendric: it used to work in VESA under hoary
[06:56] <niggpie> Johnny, still can't get the fglrx off the 5.10 CD. I used apt-cdrom add to point it to the drive... but no dice..
[06:56] <Amaranth> mbr
[06:56] <_native_> they cant stop linux in africa.
[06:56] <erirlar> ok, thanks
[06:56] <niggpie> is there another method?
[06:56] <johnny> niggpie, i don't know if it's actually on the cd
[06:56] <_native_> hell they just cant stop linux
[06:56] <johnny> niggpie, try sneakernet
[06:56] <jfarrell> k i am having problems installing kde
[06:57] <kevogod> _native_, Microsoft is trying to prevent the spread by offering Windows server for free to South Africa for 3 years.
[06:57] <twoknee> was there a dvd released that is more feature rich than the release date cd ?
[06:57] <modzero> l
[06:57] <jfarrell> i get these erros
[06:57] <anthony> niggpie: I fixed my resolution problem.
[06:57] <twoknee> honestly, i'd hate to start over from scratch
[06:57] <jfarrell> i isntalled kubuntu-desktop and it didnt work
[06:57] <jfarrell> http://pastebin.com/393020
[06:57] <kevogod> _native_, http://p2pnet.net/story/6564
[06:57] <niggpie> ohh haha that might be why :) If I burnt fglrx to a disc of itself, would apt-get see it?
[06:57] <Hendric> jrattner1, does the ATI xserver driver can't get it to work??
[06:57] <Toba> argh...
[06:57] <Toba> nautilus sucks so much
[06:57] <Toba> how can I switch to something that doesn't suck?
[06:57] <ui> how do i change my screenresolution
[06:57] <niggpie> anthony :O you got er working?
[06:57] <jrattner1> Hendric: No, the ATI driver fails, and so does VESA
[06:57] <anthony> johnny: Maybe try to go on first? I'm a new Linux user myself, just started about 4 days ago, so I'm all running out of ideas.
[06:57] <johnny> you can install it manually using dpkg
[06:57] <johnny> oh well you come off pretty good
[06:58] <kevogod> _native_, But free equates to $9000 in Microsoft terminology
[06:58] <jrattner1> Hendric: give me a minute i will try to reconfigure using the ATI driver again
[06:58] <johnny> i've been using it for 3 years.. but not ubuntu.. and never really tried a printer
[06:58] <Hendric> jrattner1, i have a card that doesn't work on a VESA or VGA... but works if i will not enable kernel frame buffering
[06:58] <johnny> maybe the deb is broken
[06:58] <niggpie> ahhh, i'll look into dpkg, thx!
[06:58] <Hendric> jrattner1, it was a Pine nvidia riva TNT2 card
[06:58] <jfarrell> anyone have any ideas
[06:58] <jrattner1> Hendric: hold on
[06:58] <Crys_Ubu_PC> Would fsck fail if fstab no longer correctly described my disc?
[06:58] <ethan-allison> ok so i did the dist-upgrade
[06:58] <zax> Anyone know the file structure system so I canTell the  installer where I downloaded Real Player .rpm
[06:58] <ethan-allison> and now i get
[06:58] <_native_> ive seen to many governets switching to linux, i dont think microsoft can compete with the free software idea.
[06:58] <ethan-allison> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[06:59] <Chinstrap> Crys_Ubu_PC, yes
[06:59] <ethan-allison> how exactly would i fix that?
[06:59] <zax> I keep trying but I keep messing it up
[06:59] <Crys_Ubu_PC> Chinstrap, So is there a utility I can run to fix it, or should I just do it manually?
[06:59] <anthony> niggpie: Yes, open up Terminal and type "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[06:59] <_native_> its is like the idea of freedom everybody wants to be free.
[06:59] <twoknee> well i bought x86 windows but i think i've outgrown it.
[06:59] <_native_> linux is really unstopable.
[07:00] <zax> may have downloaded the wrong file, or put it in the wrong location. Please try again.
[07:00] <zax>  what do i do
[07:00] <kevogod> Open Source in general, not simply Linux
[07:00] <tritium> anthony, generally, you don't want to edit xorg.conf by hand.  Please use sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:00] <ethan-allison> zax: download the right file and put it in the right location :P
[07:00] <niggpie> anthony... ok, what am i editing here?
[07:00] <zax> lol
[07:00] <modzero> d
[07:00] <Chinstrap> Crys_Ubu_PC, System->Administration->Disks
[07:00] <spindley> tritium, why discourage someone from learning linux?
[07:00] <zax> come on how to i install real player dangint!
[07:00] <johnny> ok success i think
[07:00] <Chinstrap> Crys_Ubu_PC, or just edit /etc/fstab, it's pretty simple
[07:00] <ethan-allison> zax: download the rpm
[07:00] <jrattner1> Hendric: after reconfiguring using the ATI driver I get errors about multiple missing Symbols...any ideas
[07:00] <ethan-allison> alien it
[07:01] <tritium> spindley, I'm not at all.  I gave him the preferred method.
[07:01] <gigaclon> zax, try /home/<username>/Desktop
[07:01] <stevenj> using breezy - how can I install flash player for firefox (flashplayer-mozilla or flashplugin-nonfree)?
[07:01] <Crys_Ubu_PC> Chinstrap, Well, since disks doesn't seem to be there, I'm gonna do that.
[07:01] <cafuego_> spindley: randomly editing a config file without knowing what you're doing is not "learning".
[07:01] <Hendric> jrattner1, during the error screen.. view the logs.. and see if some modules are causing the error.. then reconfigure again disabling that module.
[07:01] <twoknee> zax i have the rpm needed that is referenced in the wiki for real player other than that you follow your instructions
[07:01] <anthony> niggpie: Go to line 75, does it say "Driver "ati""?
[07:01] <tritium> zax, /msg ubotu info realplayer
[07:02] <jrattner1> Hendric: How can I tell if the modules are causing the errors?
[07:02] <anthony> tritium: Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
[07:02] <zax> ill try that gigaclon, I think when I download it it has a problem opening
[07:02] <ethan-allison> twonkee
[07:02] <ethan-allison> go to real.com
[07:02] <ethan-allison> download the rpm file to some dir
[07:02] <ethan-allison> then go to a terminal
[07:02] <total_assault> thanks a lot guys now chatting through my wireless connection :)
[07:02] <ethan-allison> wait a minute
[07:02] <ethan-allison> it's an instaler file
[07:02] <zax> lemmie try ill be afw
[07:02] <tritium> !info realplayer
[07:02] <ubotu> realplayer: (Real Player (installer)), section multiverse/net, is optional. Version: 8.0.11 (breezy), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 208 kB
[07:02] <ethan-allison> just download the installer and run it
[07:02] <Hendric> jrattner1, during the bluescreen Xserver error.. it will ask you if you wanna see the logs or not
[07:02] <ubuntu> Hello All, Is there a sun-j2re1.5 package for Breezy ? I can't find it either in the Hoary Backports...
[07:02] <keffynd> why is it always the most mundane of things take ALL day to fix
[07:02] <niggpie> anthony i'll go check, brb!
[07:03] <jrattner1> Hendric: I dont get that screen im invoking startx from the command line
[07:03] <keffynd> somethings that simply should just work....
[07:03] <ethan-allison> when getting Breezy: "Processing was halted because there were too many errors."
[07:03] <ethan-allison> how exactly do i get around that
[07:03] <cjhcjhcjh> yaah, got irssi thanks...so - I think I have a partly installed ubuntu...it downloaded tons of apps but gave an error...how can I get the desktop working?
[07:03] <anthony> niggpie: Okay.
[07:03] <twoknee> ahh ok yes i did do the apt-get however it required a file to be downloaded first which was hard to locate
[07:03] <Crys_Ubu_PC> Okay, now to reboot and see if it worked. Thanks Chinstrap.
[07:03] <total_assault> o guys btw is there anyway to play media files with drm in ubuntu
[07:03] <tritium> ethan-allison, zax the ubuntu package installs realplayer, and keeps it under package management
[07:03] <_native_> is anyone using hardened-ubuntu?
[07:03] <starscalling> Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_pixmap_new: assertion `(width != 0) && (height != 0)' failed.  <<<--- any clue what that error is?
[07:03] <Hendric> jrattner1, .. ah i thought you've done a normal breezy install
[07:03] <anthony> ubuntu: Check here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[07:03] <jrattner1> Hendric: I have
[07:03] <zax> it is supposedly setting it up now, we shall see
[07:04] <Hendric> jrattner1, why not try restarting
[07:04] <zax> I think I was having problems with the syntax "/home/<username>/Desktop" may help
[07:04] <jrattner1> Hendric: alright
[07:04] <ethan-allison> when getting Breezy: "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." i tried doing dpkg --configure -a but it give me the same thing
[07:04] <gigaclon> zax, use your username inplace of <username>
[07:04] <twoknee> i would like to backup my retail dvd's to dvd5, is this possible under ubuntu ?
[07:04] <zax> gotcha ;)
[07:04] <tritium> ethan-allison, and apt-get -f install?
[07:04] <cjhcjhcjh> can anyone help me get the desktop going?
[07:05] <ethan-allison> no
[07:05] <gigaclon> my user name is gigaclon so for me it is /home/gigaclon/Desktop
[07:05] <LaserLine> Hello All, Is there a sun-j2re1.5 package for Breezy ? I can't find it either in the Hoary Backports...
[07:05] <cevizoglu> can someone point me to a url or doc on configuring a higher screen resolution for grub?
[07:05] <ethan-allison> LaserLine: try getting it from java.com or turning on the multiverse
[07:05] <zax> yup that was it
[07:05] <tritium> LaserLine, or use java-package to build your own .deb from Sun's installer
[07:06] <zax> i just didn't learn the syntax right yet untill gigaclon made it clear
[07:06] <twoknee> i believe the sun java is the best java candidate
[07:06] <LaserLine> I did turn on multiverse........it's wierd, I can't find it on "packages.ubuntu.com" either.
[07:06] <zax> :bows:
[07:06] <twoknee> just do a tiny bit more work not a big deal
[07:06] <cjhcjhcjh> hello?
[07:06] <tritium> LaserLine, you won't due to licensing issues
[07:06] <tritium> just build your own with java-package
[07:06] <ethan-allison> cjhcjhcjh: describe your problem in detail.
[07:06] <LaserLine> tritium so there are off backports too ?
[07:06] <ethan-allison> cjh: in one message
[07:07] <elPepo> hi friends
[07:07] <deFrysk> !tell laserline about sunjava
[07:07] <tritium> LaserLine, no backports yet
[07:07] <twoknee> cjhcjhcjh, you realize people who dont know or have autocomplete would be less likely to help you ?
[07:07] <twoknee> just a thought -- sorry, off topic
[07:07] <anthony> LaserLine: Check here. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restricted%29#head-e2ebd70ede0e3eb2117ffbd618d2295dd1540dca
[07:07] <tritium> hi elPepo
[07:07] <cevizoglu> nevermind, I found it
[07:07] <ethan-allison> but cjhcjhcjh is so fun to type! :-D
[07:07] <JoshMartens> How can I turn spatial browsing on?
[07:08] <cjhcjhcjh> old laptop, no cd no floppy no other pc. managed to install using loadlin. after reboot left it downloading apps for 10 hours, after 850 packages got an error. I have command prompt, would like help getting the ubuntu desktop going. I think the apps are downloaded, maybe not installed.
[07:08] <Lordphyn> anybody know how to set up a home https proxy?
[07:08] <cafuego_> !info libc/query ubotu
[07:08] <cafuego_> d'oh ;-)
[07:08] <elPepo> is there some URL where I can download all the images of the all packages for Ubuntu, just like Debian ?
[07:08] <erirlar> i have a P4 should i then install the 686 kernel?
[07:08] <cafuego_> erirlar: yes
[07:08] <erirlar> ok
[07:09] <chapeaurouge> why does it take so long to rip a CD to mp3 with Sound Juicer?
[07:09] <twoknee> elPepo, thats silly.  packages are a work in progress which is why you update and upgrade through apt-get
[07:09] <LaserLine> How do I use JavaDeb?
[07:09] <chapeaurouge> 0.4x speed, etc..
[07:09] <niggpie> anthony got the error "Gedit:7775 GTK Warning cannot open display"
[07:09] <nalioth> LaserLine: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:09] <deFrysk> JoshMartens, edit > prefs > behaviour unchek always open in browserwindows
[07:09] <niggpie> i tried pico but it came up blank
[07:09] <twoknee> well i shouldn't say silly.  but thats kinda how these packages evolve
[07:09] <JoshMartens> deFrysk, thank you.
[07:10] <anthony> niggpie: So you can't open the xorg.conf is that what you are saying?
[07:10] <twoknee> niggpie, use nano, same thing, gpl
[07:10] <niggpie> yeah, i get an error msg
[07:10] <elPepo> ok but you need Internet to use apt-get, I wanna download all to CDs because later I wont have Internet
[07:11] <twoknee> i bet you could download the .deb's from a mirror
[07:11] <fangorious> does amarok only play aac using the xine backend?
[07:11] <cjhcjhcjh> ...even "man" doesnt work...I think it downloaded but didnt install. How do I get the basics and X installed?
[07:11] <anthony> niggpie: Ugh... I have NO idea then, maybe try tritium's "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[07:11] <jrattner1> Hendric, X has now started but in the incorrect resolution, VESA is working I guess all I had to do was reboot it
[07:11] <kevogod> LaserLine, I will host my Java deb if you'd like.
[07:11] <twoknee> or have apt-get leave source on hd ?  i'm new to this too so i'm throwing out ideas
[07:11] <tritium> anthony, good advice ;)
[07:12] <glick> excuse me since ubuntu has no root user by default how can i make a cron entry that runs with superuser privelges?
[07:12] <twoknee> glick sudo su
[07:12] <cafuego_> glick: 'sudo crontab -e'
[07:12] <LaserLine> kevogod - it's ok, I understand the wiki here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[07:12] <glick> cafuego, gracias
[07:12] <jgrieves_> hola
[07:12] <niggpie> thx for the help anthony, i'm going to go consult a friend down the block =)
[07:12] <cafuego_> glick: Or just dump a file in /etc/cron.*
[07:12] <jgrieves_> ok i'm not giving up on this GDM issue :)
[07:12] <satafterh> http://counter.li.org/
[07:12] <johnny> hmm..
[07:13] <johnny> http://pastebin.com/393134
[07:13] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ I think you were helping me a couple of days ago
[07:13] <glick> i have to reinstall my system from scatch :(
[07:13] <Hendric> jrattner1, told yah.. :) on the monitor auto detction it allows you to select resolutions.. try it.
[07:13] <glick> this blows
[07:13] <cjhcjhcjh> please help me get started...the base is installed but nothing else *I think*
[07:13] <tritium> Why, glick ?
[07:13] <cafuego_> jgrieves_: Indeed
[07:13] <jrattner1> Hendric, i did that I wonder why it picked this instead of 1440x900 like i told it
[07:13] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ I still can't figure it out :)
[07:13] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ for the life of me, i can't make gdm load X on a user basis
[07:13] <cajcarter> can someone help me with ubuntu v 5.04 plz?
[07:13] <glick> tritium, i think the upgrade messed up my system some how firstly, upgrading it was a nightmare of broken dependancies and now its slow as hell for some reason
[07:14] <twoknee> Hendric under my non prerelease installation of breezy there were no questions asked regarding resolution however i was able to flip through a few using the standard toggles.
[07:14] <meepus> Hello, can you guys send me the name of the package for ATI support again please?
[07:14] <cafuego_> jgrieves_: Hold on. "gdm load X" does not compute.
[07:14] <tritium> !tell meepus about ati
[07:14] <LaserLine> But howcome on my hoary, I had the Java1.5 package and now it's not even on the backports etc... why does Sun care? I can install it on windows for free, so why not linux ?
[07:14] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ ok let me start
[07:14] <meepus> thanks tritium
[07:14] <tristanmike> cajcarter, just ask your question and if someone can, they will
[07:14] <tritium> glick, that's not normal...
[07:15] <twoknee> Sun did not charge me to download their java.  i'm a home user though.
[07:15] <deFrysk> LaserLine, you can install it , using the instructions
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[07:26] (cjhcjhcjh/#ubuntu) wickedpuppy I have given 2gb to ubuntu...should be ok for a basic X system, no?
[07:26] (LaserLine/#ubuntu) anthony I'll try to continue ?
[07:26] (LaserLine/#ubuntu) I can always remove the package :-)
[07:26] (wickedpuppy/#ubuntu) ah hmms ... space is fine but it will be very slow
[07:26] (deFrysk/#ubuntu) LaserLine, fakeroot make blah
[07:27] (cjhcjhcjh/#ubuntu) wickedpuppy shame, I was hoping it would be better than the existing win98
[07:27] (jrattner1/#ubuntu) Hendric, could you look at http://pastebin.com/393142 and tell me if you can see any reason why its kicking into 1024 mode if your not busy
[07:27] <shuveb> is there a git package available for ubuntu?
[07:27] (wickedpuppy/#ubuntu) cjhcjhcjh, lol win98 ? second edition ?? i like that one..
[07:27] (keffynd/#ubuntu) how can I remove hardware (ie: sondcard) and reinstall it cleanly?
[07:27] (tritium/#ubuntu) yes, shuveb
[07:27] <shuveb> there is a git package but, it seeme to be some file manager
[07:28] <anthony> LaserLine: You sure you have a 64-bit AMD processor?
[07:28] <shuveb> tritium, i mean the SCM software
[07:28] <cjhcjhcjh> wickedpuppy does everything I need. just internet. would be nice to use linux on it.
[07:28] <tritium> shuveb, I'm not familiar with it
[07:28] <cafuego_> jgrieves_: If a user needs a custom X configuration, make their .xsession file spawn that X via the startx command (to display :1) . *that* will start a new, custom X on tty8 (it will switch) and then that will process the user's .xsession *again*. This time, $DISPLAY is set to something containing :1, Make sure that if this is the case, gnome (or some other wm) is started. Do *not* make it start yet another X instance, becuas it w
[07:28] <calc> cjhcjhcjh: 2gb not counting swap should be plenty
[07:28] <shuveb> tritium, ok, thanks
[07:28] <cajcarter> anyone?
[07:28] <deFrysk> keffynd, is does not need to be (re)installed it needs to be detected
[07:28] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: how does the boot disk ask for medium?
[07:28] <disasm> any reason these two packages are held back? should I not try to force them? libpt-plugins-alsa libpt-plugins-v4l2
[07:28] <cjhcjhcjh> Can anyone tell me how to manually tell ubuntu to install all the basic apps, as it seems to have failed to do that on install
[07:28] <cjhcjhcjh> razor-x no floppy either
[07:28] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ ok, then in .xsessions specify gnome-session --display :1 ?
[07:28] <nalioth> cjhcjhcjh: install "ubuntu-desktop"
[07:29] <cafuego_> cjhcjhcjh: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:29] <cjhcjhcjh> razor-x i spoke to you yesterday about this one. I got as far as the base system
[07:29] <cafuego_> jgrieves_: SOmehting like that, yes.
[07:29] <SPCcrow> is there anyway to enable root in ubuntu
[07:29] <tritium> !tell SPCcrow about rootsudo
[07:29] <disasm> SPCcrow: yeah, its recommended against
[07:29] <fangorious> here's something interesting. I can go to Actions->Play Media, select a .m4a file, and it plays. it seems to be unable to parse the metadata though. I wonder if that's why scanning my configured folders doesn't add them to the collection
[07:30] <cafuego_> SPCcrow: There is, but you don't need it. Even if you think you do.
[07:30] <tritium> agreed
[07:30] <calc> at worst you can do sudo su -
[07:30] <calc> which gives you root with no ability to login directly as root :)
[07:30] <kaschei> So anyway, I have an incorrect version of libc6, giving me lots of "held back" packages; almost everything (including apt itself) depends on this.  How do I upgrade to the right version? this is the current error: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[07:30] <jrattner1> fangorious, I had this same problem,  I was forced to convert my collection to mp3
[07:30] <cafuego_> calc: 'sudo -s' will do just fine.
[07:30] <tritium> glick, did you see the ubuntu ports project?
[07:30] <jrattner1> Hendric, any clue
[07:30] <LaserLine> deFrysk What ?
[07:30] <vbgun1> how do you identify yourself to IRC? I am trying /nick vbgunz identify password
[07:30] <SPCcrow> cafuego_: just used to using Slackware where some tasks require root priv.
[07:31] <glick> tritium, ubuntu has a sparc port now?
[07:31] <ui> do i have to use hoary repositories in breezy or what do i use?
[07:31] <calc> cafuego_: ah
[07:31] <vbgun1> is that how you do it? how to identify myself?
[07:31] <cafuego_> SPCcrow: Just run 'sudo -s' for a root shell.
[07:31] <tritium> glick, http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ <-- look here
[07:31] <nalioth> ui: see /topic
[07:31] <disasm> just out of curiosity, with the root account disabled, how do you get into the recovery mode when something is broken?
[07:31] <tritium> glick, scroll down and you'll see some info
[07:31] <cjhcjhcjh> the sudo command is working...guess it will take a few hours, eh?
[07:31] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ does GDM load gnome up in some other script
[07:31] <jgrieves_> i dont even have a .xsessionf ile righ tnow
[07:31] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ for some of my users
[07:31] <glick> thanks
[07:31] <ui> nalioth: what do you mean?
[07:31] <cafuego_> jgrieves_: It probably uses the default Xsession from from /etc/somewhere
[07:31] <fangorious> jrattner1, fortunately only about 50 files out of my nearly 3000 are currently .m4a, the rest are mp3
[07:31] <calc> cafuego_: seems not to completely reset the root environment, but probably does good enough
[07:31] <ui> nalioth : what do you mean?
[07:31] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ ok
[07:31] <tritium> glick, :)
[07:31] <zax> can some one help me install real player 10
[07:32] <cafuego_> calc: 'sudo -i' would.
[07:32] <jrattner1> fangorious, theres a tool called Jhymm that will convert them
[07:32] <zax> Run the .bin file by typing "./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin". Follow the prompts provided to finish installing the player.
[07:32] <nalioth> ui: the /topic is at the top of your irc window in whatever channel you are int
[07:32] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ great, this sounds feasible
[07:32] <nalioth> ui: type /topic
[07:32] <cjhcjhcjh> Is the package "ubuntu-desktop" the entire base system?
[07:32] <calc> cafuego_: also -s gives the benefit of allowing x apps to run directly :)
[07:32] <cafuego_> calc: yep
[07:32] <zax> i try but it said error while loading the shared librarys
[07:32] <scott> Im trying to install a codec for xmms so I can play wma files but dont know what im doing can anybody help
[07:32] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ will gnome close the X session aftewards?  It seems like it does this automatically
[07:32] <tritium> cjhcjhcjh, no, in fact, it's just a meta-package
[07:32] <fangorious> I'm getting a GPG error when running 'apt-get update' is there just a new key I need to install?
[07:32] <cjhcjhcjh> Is there a way to mount an iso image?
[07:32] <jrattner1> Why is my Xserver unable to start in 1440x900 although it is properly configured
[07:32] <fangorious> (breezy)
[07:32] <scott> Im in a terminal and in the folder its extracted folder...
[07:32] <cafuego_> cjhcjhcjh: Yep.
[07:32] <LaserLine> it's a P4-3.0GHz EMT64
[07:32] <deFrysk> LaserLine, fakeroot make-jpkg jre-blah.bin
[07:33] <nalioth> ubotu: tell scott about w32codecs
[07:33] <kaschei> How do I resolve the following error? Upgrading from hoary to breezy I get "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13" whenever I try to install packages (as well as other broken dependencies)
[07:33] <kaschei> and apt-get install libc6 shows I have the most recent version
[07:33] <nalioth> kaschei: i smell unofficial repos used
[07:33] <cafuego_> cjhcjhcjh: sudo mount -t iso966- -o loop,ro ./isofile /mnt/dir
[07:33] <LaserLine> anothony It's a P4-3.0Ghz EMT64
[07:33] <jrattner1> How Can it not find the mode ? (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1440x900" (no mode of this name)
[07:33] <cjhcjhcjh> cafuego_ can I mount the iso (on my fat32) and then tell the install to get from there? (and HOW do I do that...learning ;-) )
[07:33] <scott> w32 codecs?   Thats not the one Im using will that let me play wma in xmms?
[07:33] <cjhcjhcjh> caf ok doing that.
[07:33] <weiers> ubotu: tell weiers about w32codecs
[07:33] <nalioth> scott: w32codecs are for microcrap media
[07:34] <scott> =)
[07:34] <Hendric> jrattner1, add it manually on your xorg.conf ... if you get an error.. that means driver can't handle it.
[07:34] <calc> LaserLine: are you running the amd64 ubuntu dist?
[07:34] <jrattner1> Hendric, but it previouslly ran in 1440x900 in hoary
[07:34] <hellion> anyone know how to configure kaffeine for  ess.tv?
[07:34] <LaserLine> Calc yes.
[07:34] <hellion> NSV streams?
[07:35] <Hendric> jrattner1, then just add it manually...
[07:35] <scott> nalioth:  Where can I get it?
[07:35] <calc> LaserLine: hmm that is strange then, i don't use java so haven't tried setting it up myself
[07:35] <nalioth> kaschei: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin, please
[07:35] <nalioth> scott: i thougt ubotu just msg'd you
[07:35] <LaserLine> anthony If I install the Java on an Athlon using the K7 kernel, what Java bin should I d/l ?
[07:35] <glick> europe is bitchin because they want to control part of the internet too
[07:35] <LaserLine> calc
[07:35] <jrattner1> Hendric, its in there already, what do you mean by add it manually, under display default depth is 1440x900
[07:35] <anthony> LaserLine: If you are running a P4 then you should get the i586 package, I think that's the problem.
[07:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell LaserLine about java
[07:35] <glick> bitchin cause the US controls the entire internet
[07:35] <anthony> LaserLine: That I have no idea.
[07:35] <LaserLine> calc I finished making, and installing
[07:35] <SPCcrow> QOTD: What gui do you use?
[07:35] <joelito> Got the news of the new ports?
[07:36] <LaserLine> anthony What command should I type to see if I suceeded with the installation ?
[07:36] <anthony> LaserLine java -version
[07:36] <calc> anthony: apparently he has one of the new p4's which is amd64 arch (eg 5x1 6xx 8xx)
[07:36] <joelito> Can't wait to try the sparc one
[07:36] <glick> here is my answer to Europe: when you create some revolutionary  new technology that changes the world and humanity forever, you can control it
[07:36] <anthony> calc: Oh ok I see.
[07:36] <LaserLine> anthony I still see 1.4.2. GIJ
[07:36] <adiabatic> glick: With apologies to Stroustrup, there are two types of countries: Countries that people bitch about, and countries that nobody ever goes to or thinks about
[07:36] <ui> how do change my screen resolution in breezy?
[07:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell ui about fixres
[07:36] <Hendric> jrattner1, try changing resolutions.. can select 1440???
[07:37] <Hendric> jrattner1, try changing resolutions.. can u select 1440???
[07:37] <anthony> LaserLine: Try "sudo update-alternatives --config java", then choose the number 3, that should be the one say j2re1.5 blah blah.
[07:37] <topyli> glick: please keep it a bit more on topic. this is not #international-politics
[07:37] <jrattner1> Hendric, no it doesnt allow me too, would you mind taking a look at my xorg.conf I know its hassle...
[07:37] <scott> nalioth:  He did... thanks
[07:37] <johnny> thanks peeps
[07:37] <johnny> i'm outtie
[07:37] <cjhcjhcjh> How do I mount the 1st partition (fat32)?
[07:37] <Hendric> jrattner1, use the paste bin
[07:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cjhcjhcjh about mountwindows
[07:37] <jrattner1> Hendric, http://pastebin.com/393154
[07:37] <Hendric> jrattner1, opening..
[07:38] <LaserLine> anthony - you the man !
[07:38] <glick> tritium, the ubuntu sparc port looks promissing but its too new, i need something true tested and constantly updated fixes and stuff, either debian or freebsd
[07:38] <tritium> glick, okay, it was just an idea
[07:38] <anthony> LaserLine: Glad it worked.
[07:38] <vbgun1> ***trying to login...
[07:38] <LaserLine> anothony how can I get the firefox extension?
[07:38] <cjhcjhcjh> man is not working here...I am in the dark...just need to get started. I have the iso on fat32, want to mount the fat32 so I can then mount the iso to install the rest from there...please help with commands to do that
[07:38] <traveller> hm...how smooth is it to upgrade from hoary to breezy?? are there any "gotchas" that one should be aware of?
[07:39] <Master-Chief> i dragged my gnome top panel to the side
[07:39] <Master-Chief> and now it has huge icons
[07:39] <Master-Chief> and i cant CLICK the panel to drag it back
[07:39] <Master-Chief> help :)
[07:39] <nalioth> traveller: should be smooth as butter
[07:39] <traveller> nalioth: that's good to hear
[07:39] <Hendric> jrattner1, i think the driver can't handle 24bits with 1440... try using 16bits
[07:39] <traveller> thanks
[07:39] <anthony> LaserLine: I think that works for Firefox too, have you tried it?
[07:39] <cjhcjhcjh> How do I mount the 1st partition (fat32)?
[07:39] <deFrysk> Master-Chief, rightclick the panet >properties > top or bottom
[07:39] <deFrysk> panel*
[07:39] <jrattner1> Hendric, so you mean set the default depth to 16 bits?
[07:39] <nalioth> Master-Chief: no context clicking at all?
[07:40] <Master-Chief> deFrysk, i cant rick click the panel
[07:40] <Master-Chief> nalioth, no
[07:40] <jrattner1> Hendric, ideally i want to install the ATI drivers if they will work
[07:40] <deFrysk> Master-Chief, on an empty spot on the panel
[07:40] <Hendric> jrattner1, yes.. since you are not using an ATI driver..
[07:40] <Master-Chief> deFrysk, no empty spot
[07:40] <Master-Chief> icons are huge
[07:40] <Master-Chief> and extend off screen
[07:40] <Hendric> jrattner1, if you can get it working with ATI drivers... then you will not be having problems
[07:40] <cjhcjhcjh> can someone please give me the command to mount the first fat32 partition so I can access it
[07:40] <Hendric> BBL
[07:40] <nalioth> Master-Chief: close some programs
[07:41] <nalioth> cjhcjhcjh: ubotu didnt msg you?
[07:41] <meepus> hey, I managed to install the fglrx package, but when i run fglrxinfo, it doesn't display my vendor string or renderer string correctly
[07:41] <Master-Chief> nalioth, they are shortcuts
[07:41] <Master-Chief> this is the TOP panel
[07:41] <mshade> anyone know if gam_server is fixed in the new release?
[07:41] <meepus> it says mesa project under vendor, and mesa glx indirect under renderer
[07:41] <cjhcjhcjh> naolith not AFAIK but then I dont know how to access messages or anything
[07:41] <fangorious> I'm seeing a GPG error for us.archive.ubuntu.com breezy-updates when I apt-get update
[07:41] <deFrysk> would someone get rid of Nali0ths_dog ? ist a pain for autocompletin of nicks
[07:41] <meepus> as opposed to ATI Technologies and my Radeon
[07:41] <jrattner1> Hendric, when I say ATI drivers I mean the binary ATI drivers.. using flgx or something like that... in the mean time i want a VESA display incase I mess it up
[07:41] <nalioth> Master-Chief: so jettison one so you can click
[07:42] <meepus> how can I get my ATI drivers installed
[07:42] <anthony> LaserLine: If you go to "http://www.dslreports.com/stest?loc=97", and the applet loads then that means it has worked.
[07:42] <meepus> since it obviously just didn't work installing that package
[07:42] <tritium> deFrysk, but nalioth's dog is soo cute...
[07:42] <bimberi> Master-Chief: run gconf-editor in a terminal, apps -> panel -> toplevels -> top_panel, change orientation to "top"
[07:42] <zax> has anyone installed real player 10
[07:42] <deFrysk> tritium, cute but a pain ;p
[07:42] <Aravi> I've got both the Universe and Multiverse repositories added, yet can't resolve dependencies for some packages.
[07:42] <Aravi> Any idea why?
[07:42] <cjhcjhcjh> naolith also "mountwindows" command not recognised! can&t I just use mount with the right syntax? ...and what is the syntax to mount a fat32 vol?
[07:43] <Xenthro> Hi I was wondering how i can I maximize my repositories in synaptic to include just about every package ever released?
[07:43] <tritium> deFrysk, please don't shoot him, daddy...I know he has rabies, but he's never bitten me
[07:43] <deFrysk> :D
[07:43] <Xenthro> when i search
[07:43] <satafterh> i just read about about the ubuntu fund for 10million$, hope thats enough to keep it around for along time
[07:43] <nalioth> cjhcjhcjh: watch the channel quickly (the data will fly by)
[07:43] <nalioth> !mountwindows
[07:43] <ubotu> it has been said that mountwindows is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows or mac partitions mount automatically)
[07:43] <seethru> meepus: you have to edit xorg.conf
[07:43] <tritium> nalioth, deFrysk wants to off your dog
[07:43] <kaschei> Here is my problem: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3059
[07:43] <ui> how do i listen to mp3 in  breezy?
[07:43] <jgrieves_> what group does a user have to be to run xinit
[07:44] <cjhcjhcjh> naolith great but how do I get this mountwindows?
[07:44] <Master-Chief> bimberi, it says top
[07:44] <meepus> seethru, where is that file located, and what do I need to edit?
[07:44] <deFrysk> !tell ui about restricted formats
[07:44] <nalioth> y'all happy? dog-haters
[07:44] <Xenthro> ui: download xmms
[07:44] <kaschei> !tell me about restricted formats
[07:44] <tritium> jgrieves_, I'll bet the gdm group can
[07:45] <jgrieves_> tritium, good idea
[07:45] <anthony> meepus: The way it worked for me is... "sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf", then look for line 74 where it says "Driver: "ati"", change that to "fglrx", save, and restart X.
[07:45] <Master-Chief> shit
[07:45] <Master-Chief> had to delete my whole panel
[07:45] <jgrieves_> though gdm runs some crud as root...
[07:45] <bimberi> Master-Chief: hm, that has worked for me, oh well
[07:45] <seethru> meepus: anthony's got it
[07:45] <kaschei> Please help me with dist-upgrade and dependencies, details here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/3059
[07:45] <seethru> meepus: he beat me to it
[07:46] <meepus> anthony: I opened that file, and it contains nothing
[07:46] <seethru> meepus: uh....there is no way it contains nothing if you're in gnome...
[07:46] <tritium> kaschei, you don't have the main repo listed
[07:46] <seethru> meepus: case-sensitive
[07:46] <meepus> ...should I just -rm the package and reinstall it and try again?
[07:46] <SPCcrow> is there a Ubuntu package that install wlanctl-ng?
[07:46] <kaschei> tritium: duhhhhhh my brain
[07:47] <seethru> meepus: no, it won't do this part for you
[07:47] <anthony> meepus: You sure it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf? It worked for me.
[07:47] <seethru> meepus: make sure to type what anthony said to type EXACTLY
[07:47] <tritium> kaschei, :)
[07:47] <Master-Chief> bimberi, np
[07:47] <meepus> I copied it exactly
[07:47] <meepus> the X was capitalized and all.
[07:47] <cjhcjhcjh> I now have the iso mounted. How do I tell apt-get to get the stuff from that folder?
[07:47] <anthony> Brb dinner!
[07:47] <kaschei> seriously I have stared at that for about fifteen minutes without noticing
[07:48] <pgw> how can I change Gnome's primary screen (i.e. the one where the panels are displayed in ubuntu) when using nvidia twinview?
[07:48] <kaschei> the "main restricted" threw me I guess
[07:48] <seethru> meepus: try again, cause if that file is empty you've got larger problems than the driver not loading
[07:48] <erirlar> is universe and multiuniverse unstable to use?
[07:48] <cjhcjhcjh> How to make this machine to apt-get from /mnt/isocd ? How to configure the apt-get to use that source?
[07:48] <tritium> no, erirlar
[07:49] <budluva_> anyone here an admin for ubuntu forums? it seems i've forgotten my password, and the email i enter to reset my password is wrong
[07:49] <nalioth> erirlar: universe and multiverse are perfectly fine
[07:49] <meepus> seethru: -_- I used Ls instead of 1s
[07:49] <meepus> Xll
[07:49] <meepus> instead of X11
[07:49] <erirlar> ok, thanks guys
[07:49] <SPCcrow> night
[07:49] <seethru> meepus: ok, now change ati to fglrx and restart x (ctrl-alt-backspace)
[07:49] <cjhcjhcjh> apt-get is currently getting files from the net...how do I tell it to get the source from /mnt/isocd (which is the ubuntu cd)?
[07:50] <meepus> seethru: what line was that again?
[07:50] <seethru> meepus: around 71
[07:50] <twoknee> seethru if a new kernel is released or an updated gnome will ubuntu revert to console on boot ?
[07:50] <twoknee> relating to fglrx
[07:50] <meepus> seethru on line 66 I see Driver "ati"
[07:50] <seethru> twoknee: if you install a new kernel you've got to reinstall the driver
[07:50] <seethru> meepus: ok, change that
[07:51] <cjhcjhcjh> Help please; how to set the source of applicatins to /mnt/isocd (which is the ubuntu CD)?
[07:51] <meepus> alright, done, wish me luck!
[07:51] <seethru> cjhcjhcjh: if you installed from cd it should already be in your sources
[07:52] <tritium> cjhcjhcjh, if it's an official CD, a dialog box should pop up when you insert it, and it should ask you if you want to use it to install packages?
[07:52] <cjhcjhcjh> seethru I didnt - I have no cd rom; I have installed the base system over the net
[07:52] <cjhcjhcjh> tritium see above
[07:52] <tritium> yeah, just noticed, sorry
[07:52] <cjhcjhcjh> np
[07:52] <QMario> What does this error mean?
[07:52] <QMario> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:52] <QMario>         LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en_US:en",
[07:52] <QMario>
[07:52] <tritium> QMario, no pasting please
[07:52] <QMario> LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:52] <QMario>         LANG = "en_US"
[07:53] <cafuego_> woohoo!
[07:53] <cjhcjhcjh> I have the core installed but no apps; I have now managed to mount the iso image; I want to apt-get the X system from that iso image. If I do apt-get now, it starts to download via the net. I want to reconfigure it to get the packages from /mnt/isocd
[07:53] <meepus> seethru: fglrxinfo now reports the correct videocard, but I have less screen resolution options now than I did with the default driver
[07:53] <bimberi> cjhcjhcjh: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out all lines except the "deb cdrom" line, then apt-get update and retry
[07:53] <felon> hi
[07:53] <tritium> heh, cafuego_
[07:53] <cjhcjhcjh> bimberi its not a cdrom, its an iso on fat32 which I have mounted
[07:54] <twoknee> so lets say i'm using fglrx and it autoinstalls the kernel.  i reboot and will i have a radeon driver since fglrx is not the default ?
[07:54] <seethru> meepus: you'll have to play with the monitor settings in xorg.conf then
[07:54] <scott> Now that I downloaded the w3codec, what do I do with it?
[07:54] <^john^> hi all
[07:55] <bimberi> cjhcjhcjh: sorry, that's new territory for me
[07:55] <scott> I mean w32codec
[07:55] <felon> is there a list of good linux programs?
[07:55] <QMario> Hello ^john^!!! :)
[07:55] <nalioth> scott: open a terminal where that file is, and "sudo dpkg -i filename.deb"
[07:55] <tritium> no, twoknee.  Kernel updates should also come with updates to linux-restricted-modules, which include the fglrx modules
[07:55] <QMario> Sorry #UBUNTU. :'(
[07:55] <felon> I always see websites for the best windows prgorams
[07:55] <nalioth> ubotu: tell felon about equivalents
[07:55] <twoknee> thank you
[07:55] <scott> nalioth: thanks
[07:55] <cjhcjhcjh> bimberi np thanks anyway - at least you pointed me to the right file; I will have a look at it
[07:55] <^john^> linux is not cool!!!!!!
[07:55] <pioneer> how do i get totem to save preferances i change? i change audio from ac3 passthrough to stereo but it wont stay
[07:55] <^john^> red:lolllllz
[07:55] <QMario> John, what?!
[07:55] <felon> what are quivalents
[07:55] <seethru> ^john^: durr gtfo
[07:55] <tritium> what's the problem, ^john^ ?
[07:55] <felon> equivalents
[07:56] <nalioth> felon: go visit the URL in the msg
[07:56] <^john^> any1 ctc?
[07:56] <felon> thanks
[07:56] <meepus> seethru: I see many different modes for may different 'depth' settings.  Do you know what 'depth' stands for?  I've never seen that before.
[07:56] <QMario> What is ctc?
[07:56] <disasm> whats the easiest way to get rid of all the gnome stuff after adding xubuntu-desktop?
[07:56] <^john^> how can i pm??
[07:56] <scott> nalioth: and thats it?    Cause the highest number I see is 24 ^^;
[07:57] <QMario> !Ubotu
[07:57] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on this channel! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my databanks on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:57] <seethru> zax: sudo that command
[07:57] <seethru> meepus: 24bit color for example
[07:57] <TobyK> aahh so this is where it's at! I've been on the wrong server :-)
[07:57] <twoknee> does anyone know of a good newsreader that is gui based and has good support for unencoding yenc multipart binaries ?
[07:57] <jrattner> If using an ATI card, is it recomended to use the ATI driver, or use the binary one that flgx or something like that?
[07:57] <nalioth> twoknee: pan
[07:57] <QMario> Tritium, is that a spambot you banned?
[07:58] <twoknee> is that the best ?
[07:58] <tritium> QMario, don't think so.
[07:58] <QMario> Who was that then?
[07:58] <meepus> seethru: ah, so if I just add a resolution in quotes, save the conf, and go to screen resolutions in gnome, I will be able to select it?
[07:58] <seethru> jrattner: if you want acceleration, use the binary
[07:58] <tritium> Just a naughty little boy
[07:58] <jrattner> Hendric: Damn card wont work if I use ATI so i'm forced to use VESA
[07:58] <nalioth> QMario: an offtopic poster
[07:58] <seethru> meepus: you'll have to restart x again
[07:58] <jrattner> seethru: is the process the same as it was in hoary
[07:58] <scott> Nalioth: XMMS still wont play WMA files... is there anything else I need to do?
[07:58] <meepus> seethru: but otherwise, yes?
[07:58] <QMario> Hello fellow Q!!! :)
[07:58] <seethru> jrattner: yes
[07:58] <nalioth> scott: dont play wma files
[07:58] <seethru> meepus: it should, yes
[07:59] <Q_Continuum> Any ideas how long until the Breezy DVD installer is ready?
[07:59] <bimberi> QMario: I got a zillion locale messages like your (controversial) paste during upgrade, didn't seem to affect much though, once the locales package was configured they stopped
[07:59] <Q_Continuum> hello Q!
[07:59] <twoknee> scott look at restricted formats in the wiki
[07:59] <scott> whys that?
[08:00] <twoknee> because there is all the information you need to know
[08:00] <nalioth> scott: b/c microsoft media is very closed source
[08:00] <Q_Continuum> ooooo local mirror :D
[08:00] <cjhcjhcjh> How do I make the apt sources.list point to a file folder instead of the ftp address?
[08:00] <QMario> Okay bimberi. I just wanted to see if something was wrong with my upgrade. :)
[08:00] <C-Keen> moin
[08:00] <nalioth> scott: and some of it won't play no matter what you do
[08:00] <scott> Then what can I use to convert it to mp3?
[08:00] <scott> I was retarded and ripped most of  my cds to WMA when I was using windows
[08:01] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: something like: "deb file:/media/iso/ubuntu/ breezy main restricted" will do it
[08:01] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus thanks trying
[08:01] <nalioth> scott: something nasty in windows, i presume
[08:01] <nalioth> scott: try www.freewarehome.com
[08:01] <cafuego_> scott: Are the WMA's compressed?
[08:01] <tritium> scott, converting from one lossy format to another is a bad idea
[08:01] <Q_Continuum> automagically
[08:01] <cafuego_> scott: (iTunes in windows will autoconvert 'em, btw)
[08:01] <tritium> scott, unless you don't care about the quality degradation
[08:02] <scott> hmm, guess ill move them all to spare laptop and convert em in windows =(
[08:02] <timmiz> I want to disable my mouseTouchpad, how do i check if i have a synaptics touchpad?
[08:02] <scott> tritium: quality on them is very good, doubt it would be problem
[08:03] <miksu> i have heard of some 'encrypted port'  for tcp/udp connections. does such exist and what port is it , if so?
[08:03] <cafuego_> Yee, that's not at all a spambot hostmask <heh>
[08:03] <scott> cafuego_: I dont know...  I just ripped them with windows media player from CD
[08:03] <tritium> scott, quality degrades each time you perform lossy compression
[08:03] <d3vice> hi
[08:03] <cafuego_> miksu: Um, no.
[08:03] <scott> tritium:  lossy?
[08:03] <tritium> scott, yes.  Information is thrown away in the compression process.
[08:03] <d3vice> is there a win32 package on synaptic for 5.10 ?
[08:03] <nalioth> scott: join #ubuntu-offtopic for discussion on lossy and nonlossy formats
[08:04] <d3vice> i mean... win32 codecs
[08:04] <cafuego_> miksu: there is ssl/tls, but that is implemented on a per-application basis.
[08:04] <nalioth> d3vice: yes. /msg ubotu w32codecs
[08:04] <scott> tritium:  ahh ok... thanks for all of your help everybody
[08:04] <kaschei> I'd like to warn everyone that the utah.edu mirror is old, use a different mirror
[08:04] <timmiz> anyone know how to check what kinda mousepad is on ubunut, i need to know if its synaptics or note, I looked in xorg.conf and doesnt show anything regarding mousepad
[08:05] <rathma> hy all!!!
[08:05] <bimberi> Q_Continuum: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/breezy/release/
[08:05] <cafuego_> tritium<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:05] <felon> whats the best firewall for ubuntu?
[08:05] <glick> hey what can i do i have a 40 gigs of unorganized mp3 files
[08:05] <glick> is there any hope of getting it into some order?
[08:05] <cafuego_> felon: if you're not running any services, you won't need a firewall :-)
[08:05] <nalioth> felon: a firewall is not necessary for ubuntu
[08:05] <glick> so i can find what songs i want?
[08:05] <felon> really?
[08:05] <nalioth> felon: this isnt windows
[08:06] <felon> im running GAIM, IRC, FIREFOX
[08:06] <felon> lol
[08:06] <felon> nice
[08:06] <d3vice> nalioth, thx
[08:06] <cafuego_> tritium: *whee!*
[08:06] <felon> so i dont need a spyware scaner or virus scanner?
[08:06] <felon> I <3 Ubuntu
[08:06] <tritium> cafuego_, you realize we're going to leave you here one night with ops, right?
[08:06] <cafuego_> felon: Only if you're handling mail for wondiws clients.
[08:06] <nalioth> felon: not unless you email your windows using grandmother and want to protect her
[08:06] <glick> how do you keep massive mp3 collections sorted?
[08:06] <felon> ROFL this is awesoem
[08:06] <dooglus> miksu: are you talking about ssh connections?
[08:06] <rathma> my sources list not work.... plt help me:) i dont install any programs
[08:06] <rathma> plz:)
[08:07] <tritium> felon, your enthusiasm rocks!
[08:07] <nalioth> rathma: it works. the servers are overloaded atm
[08:07] <felon> So no need for Bastile?
[08:07] <cafuego_> tritium: As long as you realise you'll be coming back to a ransacked channel with graffiti and vomit stains all over ;-)
[08:07] <tritium> hah!
[08:07] <cafuego_> felon: If you're just running a desktop box, nope.
[08:07] <nalioth> felon: no need for anything with a default install
[08:07] <synd> Let me takeover the channel ;)
[08:07] <cafuego_> felon: Just install & enjoy.
[08:07] <flyfree> hello:0
[08:07] <felon> &ampl?
[08:07] <felon> &
[08:07] <cafuego_> sorry, too much php :-)
[08:07] <felon> this is my first time running a linux machine
[08:07] <rathma> nalioth, where the download extra repos list?
[08:08] <nalioth> felon: there is a lot to unlearn
[08:08] <felon> lol
[08:08] <nalioth> rathma: /msg ubotu sources
[08:08] <pioneer> how can i get totem-xine to save preferances? they keep switching back after i set them
[08:08] <tritium> you must unlearn what you have learned...
[08:08] <cjhcjhcjh> Help I have changed sources to point to an iso image of the install cd but when I try to apt-get it cannot find the packages. maybe it needs to point to a subdir or something?
[08:08] <rathma>  /msg ubotu sources
[08:09] <rathma> nalioth, ?
[08:09] <zax> how do i install a rpm it keeps saying archilve not valid
[08:09] <tritium> rathma, remove the leading space there
[08:09] <nalioth> rathma: you left a space in between the / and the left side of your text entry box
[08:09] <tritium> zax, why are you installing an rpm?
[08:09] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: you need to mount the iso image first.  did you do that?
[08:10] <cjhcjhcjh> dooglus yes, I can see the contents under /mnt/isocd
[08:10] <zax> it says u are supposed to to get real player to install
[08:10] <zax> compat-libstdc++
[08:10] <cafuego_> zax: Do not install an rpm!
[08:10] <cafuego_> !find helixplayer
[08:10] <tritium> what says that, zax?  What's the "it" you're referring to?
[08:10] <zax> when you try to extract it
[08:11] <felon> winamp works with linux?
[08:11] <zax> with archive manager
[08:11] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: then the path you need to put in your sources.list is just /mnt/isocd/ubuntu
[08:11] <tritium> felon, xmms or beep media player look just like it
[08:11] <cafuego_> felon: No, but beep-media-player is pretty much identical.
[08:11] <glick> with xmms why would u wanna run winamp
[08:11] <felon> cool
[08:11] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: or /mnt/isocd - that's the same place I think
[08:11] <icarus> !tell icarus about tvtime
[08:11] <felon> I love linux
[08:11] <felon> but i have much to learn
[08:11] <felon> haha this is so awesome
[08:11] <tritium> felon, :)
[08:11] <aftertaf> felon:  totally :)
[08:12] <dooglus> cjhcjhcjh: so it's "deb file:/mnt/isocd/ breezy main restricted" (without the double quotes)
[08:12] <cafuego_> !test
[08:12] <ubotu> Passed.
[08:12] <zax> so how do i get those libraries in the system
[08:12] <cafuego_> then answer my search!
[08:12] <icarus> hi all, is anyone here using tvtime with an ati card?
[08:12] <tritium> good to test your bot after you punch it
[08:12] <zax> so i can install realplayer10
[08:12] <felon> geeze
[08:12] <dooglus> zax: I wouldn't advise it
[08:12] <felon> i want to setup my desktop and make it nice
[08:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'helixplayer' returned no results.
[08:12] <cafuego_> tritium: If I punch it just right, the test stalls..
[08:12] <cafuego_> okay then
[08:12] <zax> what is it you dont advice
[08:12] <starscalling> /me sighs
[08:13] <dooglus> zax: I don't advise installing anything from real.com.  their apps are horrible.
[08:13] <starscalling> -/ + action darn it
[08:13] <dooglus> zax: and unneccesary
[08:13] <zax> i know they are crap , but i like to listen to straming audio
[08:13] <icarus> !tell icarus about skype
[08:13] <dooglus> zax: beep-media-player plays streaming audio, so does mplayer
[08:13] <cafuego_> zax: I recommend you find a .deb for helixplayer and use that instead.
[08:14] <zax> what is a .deb
[08:14] <tritium> !info helix-player
[08:14] <cafuego_> zax: And yes, mplayer supports realaudio with the right codecs.
[08:14] <ubotu> helix-player: (The Helix Community's open source media player), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0.6-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 4068 kB, Installed size: 10260 kB
[08:14] <tritium> zax, it's the debian package format, similar (but superior) to .rpm
[08:14] <cafuego_> duh, a hyphen :-)
[08:14] <zax> hmmm, so I should install mplayer and start from there
[08:14] <glick> during ubuntu installation can i specify the 686 kernel?
[08:14] <cafuego_> ... and not on amd64 :-(
[08:14] <nalioth> ubotu: tell zax about cli
[08:15] <cafuego_> glick: No. you add it afterwards (and reboot)
[08:15] <dooglus> "helix-player - The Helix Community's open source media player"
[08:15] <glick> cafuego, dont you think that needs to be fixed?
[08:15] <angryfix> what file(s) do I need to edit to keep X windows from starting during boot?
[08:15] <angryfix> is there a master list of boot programs?
[08:15] <cafuego_> glick: No, I don't have a problem with it.
[08:16] <tritium> angryfix, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[08:16] <cafuego_> glick: I wasn't silly enough to buy *intel* hardware
[08:16] <angryfix> tritium: thanks
[08:16] <dooglus> angryfix: angryfix do this: sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/{S13,K01}gdm
[08:16] <cjhcjhcjh> Thanks all - I needed the syntax in "deb" not  "deb src"...is now installing ubuntu-desktop, hurrah. Do I need to apt-get other stuff as well?
[08:16] <glick> cafuego, ?
[08:16] <tritium> I'd recommend the update-rc.d approach instead
[08:16] <glick> what does that mean?
[08:16] <cjhcjhcjh> ie to get the "normal" system set up
[08:16] <icarus> !tell icarus about mplayer
[08:16] <Hmmmm> guys, im on hoary, i want to upgrade to breezy. what's the smoothest way to go about it?
[08:16] <ktogias> Y
[08:16] <glick> Hmmmm, reinstall
[08:17] <tritium> !tell Hmmmm about breezy
[08:17] <eyequeue> Hmmmm:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:17] <topyli> Hmmmm: change your hoary sources.list to breezy, then do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:18] <angryfix> dooglus: will that command be permanent?
[08:18] <dooglus> angryfix: yes.
[08:18] <Hmmmm> topyli, anyone done it with success?
[08:18] <angryfix> ok, perfect
[08:18] <tritium> angryfix, dooglus use update-rc.d over mv
[08:18] <dooglus> angryfix: what it does it removes gdm from runlevel 2, but leaves it in runlevel 3.
[08:18] <topyli> Hmmmm: i've done it on a couple of machines
[08:18] <dooglus> tritium: why?
[08:19] <Ky0tIk> hmm
[08:19] <Ky0tIk> is something up with the repos?
[08:19] <tritium> dooglus, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start  (it's the "one true way")
[08:19] <Hmmmm> topyli, any idea what the size of the download is?
[08:19] <Ky0tIk> i got some weird errors
[08:19] <topyli> Hmmmm: it's huge, every package will be upgraded
[08:19] <dooglus> tritium: no really.  why?
[08:19] <tritium> dooglus, did you read the URL?
[08:19] <cafuego_> !dict drake
[08:19] <ubotu> Dictionary 'drake' (2 shown): English explorer and admiral who was the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe and who helped to defeat the Spanish Armada (1540-1596) ;; adult male of a wild or domestic duck.
[08:19] <yapyccky> hello did anyone here never tryied MTRR control?
[08:19] <Hmmmm> ah ok. then maybe i should download the DVD itself
[08:19] <Ky0tIk> i know its no pasting i nhere
[08:19] <dooglus> tritium: yes.
[08:20] <Ky0tIk> in here*,  but check this out W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security/multiverse Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-security_multiverse_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[08:20] <cafuego_> well, you learn something quack every day.
[08:20] <Ky0tIk> never have seen that til today
[08:20] <yapyccky> I'm trying to use it but i dunno why i cant write changes on /proc/mtrr
[08:20] <tritium> dooglus, then why are you asking me?
[08:20] <Hmmmm> is the breezy final dvd out yet?
[08:20] <eyequeue> Ky0tIk:  sudo apt-get update
[08:20] <cafuego_> Hmmmm: Why don't you check the downlaod site and see?
[08:20] <Ky0tIk> eyequeue thats what gave me the error
[08:20] <eyequeue> Ky0tIk:  yes, rerun the command
[08:21] <dooglus> tritium: all it says is it's the "one true way".  it doesn't explain why it's better to use a complex shell script than to use a simple 'mv' command.
[08:21] <eyequeue> Ky0tIk:  mirrors are quite bogged down today
[08:21] <dooglus> sorry, Perl script.
[08:21] <angryfix> tritium: so do 'update-rd.d /etc/rc2.d/{S13,K01}gdm' ?
[08:21] <tritium> dooglus, I'm just presenting the preferred method.  Do as you choose
[08:21] <Ky0tIk> eyequeue, now it seems to be working, i thought it meant my /var/lib  stuff was messed up
[08:22] <dooglus> angryfix: no, just what I typed.
[08:22] <bozzu> i upgraded from brezy preview to brezy and i lost serpentine. trying to reinstall it i receive a dependecy error related to python2-gnome-extra. what could be the problem?
[08:22] <dohtem`ubuntu> hey guys
[08:22] <cafuego_> Can I note that the first US download mirror on the breezy release page is broken?
[08:22] <dooglus> angryfix: if you want to use the update.rc-d thing instead, hang on and I'll look up the usage.
[08:22] <Ky0tIk> bozzu, i upgraded as well, and i didnt lose serpentine :S
[08:23] <tritium> angryfix, no, just like the URL suggests, but use gdm rather than ?dm
[08:23] <eyequeue> Ky0tIk:  *if* your /var partition ever fills up.you'll get similar errors too.  today it just means that repo timed out without an answer
[08:23] <dohtem`ubuntu> I have got the Microsoft Elite bluetooth mouse and keyboard, how I get both of them working in Ubuntu?
[08:23] <jgrieves_> xinit -display :1 -d 24
[08:23] <jgrieves_>  if this produces no errors what can i assume?
[08:23] <Ky0tIk> eyequeue my / partition which var is a part of is very far from being filled up
[08:23] <bozzu> Ky0tIk, can you send me your sources.list?
[08:23] <dooglus> tritium: it seems that update-rc.d doesn't work if the package is already installed...
[08:24] <Ky0tIk> bozzu sure
[08:24] <dooglus> sudo update-rc.d gdm start 13 2 .
[08:24] <Ky0tIk> ill pm it to ya
[08:24] <dooglus>  System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist.
[08:24] <Ky0tIk> hang on a sec
[08:24] <aftertaf> dooglus:  what do you want to do with init.d ?
[08:24] <eyequeue> Ky0tIk:  heh, if ever / fills up, apt will be the least of your worries :)
[08:24] <rathma> !info sources
[08:24] <tritium> dooglus, I think he wants to stop it...
[08:24] <cafuego_> tritium<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:24] <angryfix> i just don't want it to boot
[08:24] <eyequeue> dooglus:  the -f switch is your friend then
[08:24] <aftertaf> dooglus:  use the force switch.   -f then remove
[08:24] <yapyccky> echo "base=0xE0000000 size=0x3E80000 type=write-combining" >| /proc/mtrr
[08:24] <angryfix> i mean, more correctly, I just don't want X to start with boot
[08:24] <dooglus> tritium: right, I know, but I've already stopped mine... so I was trying to start it.
[08:25] <yapyccky> cat /proc/mtrr
[08:25] <yapyccky> reg00: base=0x00000000 (   0MB), size= 512MB: write-back, count=1
[08:25] <aftertaf> update-rc.d -f initscript remove
[08:25] <yapyccky> why?
[08:25] <dooglus> -f is only for 'remove'
[08:25] <eyequeue> dooglus:  the -f switch is for while the /etc/init.d/foo file still exists
[08:25] <Ky0tIk> eyequeue, i dont plan on my / filling up..  i use other partitions that are mounted in my /media/   and /home to download and install stuff to ;)
[08:25] <jgrieves_> xinit -display :1 -d 24
[08:25] <jgrieves_>  is this valid, and if so, how can i see it on the screen
[08:25] <aftertaf> dooglus:  yep. you remove, then you add with your other comand.
[08:25] <cafuego_> tritium: botsnack
[08:25] <yapyccky> please guys help me...
[08:25] <aftertaf> lol
[08:26] <tritium> thanks, cafuego
[08:26] <dooglus> aftertaf: that involves messing with all the runlevels.  all we want to do is change the default one (level 2)
[08:26] <eyequeue> tritium:  i don't know; is it bigger than a breadbox?
[08:26] <dooglus> my 'mv' is much simpler...
[08:26] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ oh hey :)
[08:26] <aftertaf> dooglus:  i use webmin ;)
[08:26] <tritium> heh, eyequeue
[08:26] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[08:26] <dooglus> aftertaf: ok.  I used to use sysv-rc-conf
[08:26] <dooglus> there are lots of ways of doing it, for sure.
[08:27] <konra`> breezy is nice :)
[08:27] <tritium> dooglus' mv is much simpler, I agree.
[08:27] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ i hav eit so that the user picks an option fron Desktop menu and then that runs xinit which then searches for .xinitrc and .xserverrc
[08:27] <aftertaf> newb chooses one he understands most
[08:27] <aftertaf> me == n00bish
[08:27] <konra`> breezy is very nice :)
[08:27] <konra`> logins are VERY fast now
[08:27] <konra`> and umm
[08:27] <jgrieves_> cafuego_ but it just sits there with blank screen
[08:27] <konra`> lots of nice improvements
[08:27] <EnsignRedshirt> eyequeue: Aarrrgghhh....
[08:27] <dooglus> angryfix: so:  sudo update-rc.d gdm start 13 2 .
[08:27] <dooglus> argh.
[08:27] <dooglus> no!
[08:27] <Fanskapet> hmm anyone have problems using ndiswrapper in breezy?
[08:28] <eyequeue> EnsignRedshirt:    nice nick btw ;)
[08:28] <dooglus> angryfix: so:    sudo mv /etc/rc2.d/{S13,K01}gdm
[08:28] <jgrieves_> Fanskapet, it works like a charm for me
[08:28] <tritium> angryfix, dooglus' mv really is just as effective, and it is easier, if you prefer
[08:28] <EnsignRedshirt> Quickie (making the transition from warty to breezy): evince is the standard pdf viewer for breezy?
[08:28] <angryfix> yeah, that sounds good. Thanks. I'm all for the simple solution while I learn more about linux.
[08:29] <eyequeue> EnsignRedshirt:  nod, i think it had some new features too, when they were deciding
[08:29] <topyli> EnsignRedshirt: it is
[08:29] <dooglus> angryfix: if you really want to know what's going on, run this before you do anything:
[08:29] <jgrieves_> if I run xinit -display :1 how can i see it on the screen?
[08:29] <dooglus> ls -l /etc/rc?.d/???gdm
[08:29] <dooglus> angryfix: you will see 7 links, for run levels 0 through 6.
[08:29] <EnsignRedshirt> OK... just tweaking some software (non-Ubuntu) that runs a pdf viewer.
[08:30] <angryfix> are the run levels like priority in windows?
[08:30] <topyli> jgrieves_: the session should appear on vt 8
[08:30] <dooglus> the ones with 'S' are the levels which run gdm.  the ones with 'K' kill gdm.  gdm is 'X'...  (kindof)
[08:30] <jgrieves_> topyli how can i "see" vt 8?
[08:30] <dooglus> angryfix: no.  a runlevel is a set of services, basically.
[08:30] <aftertaf> alt + F8
[08:30] <jgrieves_> topyli thought it was tty8..
[08:30] <angryfix> ok
[08:30] <topyli> jgrieves_: ctrl-alt-f8
[08:31] <cafuego_> tritium: they're breeding
[08:31] <tritium> yes they are
[08:31] <dooglus> you can define levels like "in runlevel 4 I want apache and ssh to be running"
[08:31] <eyequeue> jgrieves_: alt-ctrl-(Fttynumberhere)
[08:31] <topyli> jgrieves_: oh, probably. i was thinking about virtual terminals
[08:31] <jgrieves_> im in cmware :)
[08:31] <tritium> nalioth, let's give cafuego 29 in -unregged
[08:31] <jgrieves_> wow
[08:31] <jgrieves_> vmware
[08:31] <angryfix> I'll check that out dooglus
[08:31] <cafuego_> turkey and romania
[08:32] <eyequeue> jgrieves_: alt-ctrl- right or left arrow sometimes (or just alt?)
[08:32] <jgrieves_> eyequeue ctrl + alt + arrows does workspaces
[08:32] <dooglus> angryfix: if you look at the top of /etc/inittab, you'll see the "default runlevel"
[08:32] <keffynd> how can I enable DMA on my DVD?
[08:32] <eyequeue> jgrieves_:  yes, but only in x :)  if cli i think you'll find it cycles vts
[08:33] <keffynd> !tell keffynd about DMA
[08:33] <eyequeue> jgrieves_:  oops, no ctrl though
[08:33] <xfelon> anyone willing to help a linux noob?
[08:33] <Hmmmm> xfelon, shoot
[08:33] <angryfix> looks like I need to wipe the dust off that How Linux Works book and get cracking
[08:33] <aftertaf> thats why we're here xfelon :)
[08:33] <jgrieves_> eyequeue xinit -display :1 -d 24
[08:33] <xfelon> thanks
[08:33] <yapyccky> guys i need a help, please
[08:33] <xfelon> i dont even know how to open a file
[08:34] <jgrieves_> then it just sits there
[08:34] <xfelon> im in a terminal
[08:34] <aftertaf> yapyccky:  ask question
[08:34] <xfelon> trying to open the program TAR
[08:34] <jgrieves_> then after about 20 seconds it returns to the termianl
[08:34] <jgrieves_> prompt
[08:34] <xfelon> i typed
[08:34] <xfelon> "cd Desktop"
[08:34] <xfelon> then "ls"
[08:34] <xfelon> and it shows
[08:34] <yapyccky> aftertaf : im trying to set up mtrr to improve video quality
[08:34] <jgrieves_> what does that mean exactly?
[08:34] <Fanskapet> jgrieves_: hmm odd.. doesn't work for me.. i get a ip by dhclient though
[08:34] <xfelon> tar0-1.15.1 and tar-1.15.1.tar.gz
[08:34] <zcat[1] > tar xf foo.tar
[08:34] <Fanskapet> but it won't let me surf or anything.
[08:34] <jgrieves_> ?
[08:34] <zcat[1] > tar xzf foo.tgz
[08:34] <Hmmmm> what exactly do u want to do
[08:34] <yapyccky> aftertaf : but i dunno why result of "echo" doesnt appear on /proc/mtrr
[08:34] <aftertaf> yapyccky:  ah. too l33t for me :) i'm an informed noob
[08:34] <dooglus> xfelon: type "tar xf tar*.gz"
[08:34] <Hmmmm> can u explain in one or 2 lines?
[08:35] <Fanskapet> dunno what's wrong.. even though i have the gateway as the wlan card.
[08:35] <cafuego_> xfelon: Why do you have a 'tar' tarball?
[08:35] <xfelon> idk
[08:35] <dooglus> xfelon: heh
[08:35] <yapyccky> aftertaf : what do u mean? sorry but my english is not so good
[08:35] <xfelon> ok i typed that
[08:35] <Hmmmm> xfelon, do u want to extract a tar file?
[08:35] <dooglus> you must have downloaded it for some reason?
[08:35] <xfelon> i want to install the program tar
[08:35] <dooglus> xfelon: it's already installed :)
[08:35] <tritium> xfelon, tar should already be installed
[08:35] <cafuego_> xfelon: it's already installed.
[08:35] <xfelon> oh
[08:36] <xfelon> so wtf
[08:36] <xfelon> lol
[08:36] <trigger_ph> hi..
[08:36] <topyli> xfelon: you have already unzipped the tar.gz, so you just need to extract the tarball. you can do that in one step as well
[08:36] <xfelon> ok how
[08:36] <dooglus> xfelon: just type "tar" and you'll see it complain that it wants more arguments
[08:36] <keffynd> DMA doesnt work on a DVD??
[08:36] <cafuego_> xfelon: If you want to extract a tarball, just double-click the file.
[08:36] <zcat[1] > _almost everything_ is already installed.. everything you're likely to need by default anyhow
[08:36] <ht_> man tar
[08:37] <xfelon> I dont see any tarbals
[08:37] <trigger_ph> can anyone please help me remove a startup command in a session? my pc doesn't make it past that to load metacity and others anymore
[08:37] <topyli> xfelon: tar xzf blahblah.tar.gz. or, if you have a bzipped tarball, tar xjf blahblah.tar.bz2
[08:37] <zcat[1] > Unlike certain other operating systems, ubuntu doesn't come with SFA apps and require you to download stuff to do anyhing useful.
[08:37] <cafuego_> xfelon: <heh> Why do you need '
[08:37] <cafuego_> tar' then? ;-)
[08:37] <xfelon> idk
[08:37] <xfelon> so i can install all my other programs?
[08:37] <aftertaf> yapyccky:  means, i dont know..... im not a very good linux user...:/
[08:37] <bobby> hmm
[08:37] <xfelon> I want to use bmpx and azureus
[08:37] <cafuego_> xfelon: start synaptic from the admin menu.
[08:37] <dooglus> xfelon: "tarball" is a name for any ".tar.gz", ".tgz", ".tar.bz2", ".tbz" and so on...
[08:37] <cafuego_> ah, i see...
[08:37] <keffynd> HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[08:37] <xfelon> k
[08:38] <cafuego_> that's a tad trickier.
[08:38] <xfelon> ive untared it
[08:38] <trigger_ph> any takers please?
[08:38] <xfelon> i can go into the folder
[08:38] <xfelon> and i see, a bunch of folders and files
[08:38] <topyli> xfelon: you don't want to install tar from source. you already have tar
[08:38] <cafuego_> xfelon: there there one called 'Makefile' ?
[08:38] <xfelon> makefile.am
[08:38] <xfelon> makefile.in
[08:39] <cafuego_> in the extracted tar-1.1.5 folder?
[08:39] <xfelon> yes
[08:39] <topyli> xfelon: in fact you don't want to install anything from source
[08:39] <xfelon> so what do i do?
[08:39] <topyli> i know i don't :)
[08:39] <dooglus> xfelon: tar is installed already.  forgot about compiling tar.
[08:39] <trigger_ph> can anyone please help me remove a startup command in a session? my pc doesn't make it past that to load metacity and others anymore
[08:39] <xfelon> k
[08:40] <topyli> xfelon: get rid of the tarballs and go about your daily business :)
[08:40] <Draucon> sneak
[08:40] <xfelon> does ubuntu come with  Sun Java 1.4.x ?
[08:40] <Java_The_Hutt> Question: Do guys suggest an upgrade from Hoary to Breezy or a format fresh install ?
[08:40] <HrdwrBob> jsut upgrade
[08:40] <dooglus> trigger_ph: the file is ~/.gnome2/session
[08:40] <Java_The_Hutt> xfelon, with little config you got java 1.5_04
[08:40] <dooglus> trigger_ph: rename it to something else temporarily
[08:40] <cjhcjhcjh> Q. Is the CD install able to shrink a FAT32 partition?
[08:40] <zcat[1] > xfelon: almost everything you could possibly want should already be installed. If not, try running synaptic and you'll probably find you can download and install it with a few mouseclicks
[08:40] <yapyccky> thx in anycase aftertaf
[08:40] <topyli> xfelon: no, you have to get java from Sun
[08:41] <xfelon> synaptic?
[08:41] <Java_The_Hutt> Question: Do guys suggest an upgrade from Hoary to Breezy or a format fresh install ?
[08:41] <aftertaf> xfelon:  gfx gui for apt, the ubuntu package system
[08:41] <trigger_ph> dooglus, i'll try that. hold on..
[08:41] <xfelon> where do i find it
[08:41] <aftertaf> Java_The_Hutt:  upgrade is the debian way :)
[08:41] <tsv> hi pplz
[08:41] <aftertaf> xfelon:  sudo apt-get install  synaptic
[08:41] <zcat[1] > xfelon: do you have a GUI configured?
[08:41] <aftertaf> or if installed, system menu
[08:41] <lightstar> Java_The_Hutt: an upgrade will do just fine
[08:41] <xfelon> no
[08:41] <xfelon> im using gnome right now i think
[08:41] <topyli> xfelon: it's in the System menu of your top panel
[08:41] <xfelon> i just installed
[08:41] <Java_The_Hutt> ok thx
[08:42] <lightstar> Java_The_Hutt :np
[08:42] <xfelon> synaptic package manager?
[08:42] <topyli> yes
[08:42] <zcat[1] > Yeah, that!
[08:42] <sampan> that's the magic tool
[08:42] <xfelon> How do I configure a gui?
[08:42] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  fresh start is nice for those who need someone to clean out their $HOME every 6 months :)
[08:42] <xfelon> do i want gnome or kdi
[08:42] <cjhcjhcjh> Q. Is the CD install able to shrink a FAT32 partition? Or do you have to make space first?
[08:42] <xfelon> kde*
[08:42] <zcat[1] > No need.. apparently you're already in it
[08:42] <ktogias> Is that bad? : Installing console-common (0.7.51ubuntu1) ... Looking for keymap to install:
[08:42] <ktogias>  NONE
[08:42] <ktogias> null symbol found
[08:42] <ktogias> in dist-upgrade
[08:43] <pef> hello !
[08:43] <xfelon> Do I need to configure a gui if i just installed?
[08:43] <eyequeue> ktogias:  mine reads "NONE" too when i upgrade that package
[08:43] <topyli> xfelon: you do have a gui. you just said you have stuff on your desktop
[08:43] <xfelon> k
[08:43] <xfelon> i have gnome
[08:43] <trigger_ph> dooglus, it worked! thank you!
[08:43] <xfelon> but i didnt config it
[08:43] <zcat[1] > gnome is a gui
[08:43] <xfelon> it did it on its own
[08:43] <topyli> xfelon: the installer has configured it for you
[08:43] <xfelon> k good
[08:43] <eyequeue> ktogias:  it's not been a problem here, i wouldn't worry (unless you need some special keymap i guess)
[08:44] <xfelon> so in order for me to run azureus i need sun java installed right?
[08:44] <topyli> xfelon: yes
[08:44] <zcat[1] > xfelon: I suggest you work your way through the menus and find out what you already have.. if you're used to windows "three games and a crappy media player" you'll be quite surprised how many applications are already installed..
[08:44] <shale> most ppl suggest an apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:44] <shale> but it hosed my laptop because i'd customized my X drivers and what-not
[08:44] <shale> so now i've reinstalled fresh but i have no 3d accel with my ati x300
[08:45] <xfelon> k
[08:45] <xfelon> ive used windows my whole life
[08:45] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell shale about repos
[08:45] <jrr> how might i choose which soundcard to use primarily?
[08:45] <haro> Where can I get a ubuntu sources mirror list?
[08:45] <anthony>  /burp
[08:46] <xfelon> what is Linux RPM?
[08:46] <xfelon> Linux RPM (self-extracting file)
[08:46] <haro> how might i choose which soundcard to use primarily?
[08:46] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell haro about repos
[08:46] <ktogias> haro, look at the topic
[08:46] <jrr> that's a redhat (and a few other distros) package
[08:46] <haro> ....
[08:46] <anthony> Gt3 is for KDE right?
[08:46] <eyequeue> haro:  the pastebins have ... you want something else, sorry, stand by
[08:47] <xfelon> Linux RPM (self-extracting file)
[08:47] <xfelon> what is RPM?
[08:47] <eyequeue> xfelon:  "redhat package manager"
[08:47] <xfelon> oh
[08:47] <xfelon> sorry
[08:47] <eyequeue> rpm (8)              - RPM Package Manager
[08:47] <ktogias> xfelon, Redhat Package Management
[08:48] <xfelon> does linux download faster?
[08:48] <eyequeue> xfelon:  it's also the name of the format they put their packages into (like .deb in ubuntu)
[08:48] <xfelon> seems like it
[08:48] <xfelon> 410kb/s versus 350kb/s on windows
[08:48] <topyli> !java
[08:48] <ubotu> it has been said that javadeb is for sun java debs packaged for ubuntu, Install from http://tinyurl.com/bwomt (Hoary), or http://tinyurl.com/87ofx (Breezy) 64-bit? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#java
[08:49] <zcat[1] > rpm and deb are how linux packages programs.. like msi in windows..
[08:49] <topyli> xfelon: look at what ubotu just said
[08:49] <wickedpuppy> eh ah ... i seriously doubt linux can affect the download speed xfelon ...
[08:49] <zcat[1] > wickedpuppy: default MTU?
[08:49] <jrr> wickedpuppy: i don't
[08:49] <cjhcjhcjh> Does the desktop have a chat program that can connect to MSN Messenger?
[08:49] <jrr> cjhcjhcjh: gaim
[08:49] <xfelon> ok
[08:50] <cjhcjhcjh> jrr: thx
[08:50] <eyequeue> wickedpuppy:  other than less spyware eating up available bandwidth maybe :)
[08:50] <xfelon> so ubuntu is debain?
[08:50] <HrdwrBob> no
[08:50] <sally_> what repos do I have to add to be able to install mplayer?  right now I have universe main restricted multiverse
[08:50] <zcat[1] > ubuntu is based on debian..
[08:50] <sally_> I am on breezy
[08:50] <eyequeue> cjhcjhcjh:  applications > internet > gaim
[08:50] <cevizoglu> which key modifiers correspond to the underlined letters in ubuntu?  Control, Alt, and Shift don't seem to work.
[08:50] <mcquaid> hello, i want to compile a qt app thats not in breezy yet, but i'm getting onfigure: error: Set $QTDIR to the Qt directory, eg. /usr/lib/qt3
[08:50] <cjhcjhcjh> eyequeue: tvm
[08:50] <eyequeue> cjhcjhcjh:  np
[08:50] <mcquaid> and i've got all the dev libs i can see
[08:50] <topyli> xfelon: debian is the mothership, many linux distributions (like ubuntu) are based on it
[08:50] <xfelon> k
[08:50] <xfelon> i am getting owned lol
[08:51] <mcquaid> i complied a few qt apps in hoary without issue
[08:51] <sally_> mcquaid, do export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 or something then
[08:51] <cevizoglu> oops.. if someone answered my question, please say agin
[08:51] <cevizoglu> er, again
[08:51] <wickedpuppy> so can i get higer speed with linux+dialup than windows+cable ?
[08:51] <johntramp> do you need to format and reinstall ubuntu to upgrade from 5.04 to 5.10 ?
[08:51] <sally_> mcquaid, I don't know what the actual qt directory is though... if you know that already, sorry, it's all I know
[08:51] <mcquaid> i tried: ./configure ---with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3
[08:51] <topyli> johntramp: no, just upgrade
[08:51] <johntramp> cool
[08:51] <eyequeue> ubotu:  tell johntramp about breezy
[08:51] <sally_> mcquaid, but it's looking for the env variable QTDIR
[08:51] <ktogias> After upgrading hoary to breezy, i have 5 packages that will not be upgraded... How do I cope with them? (eg. See what happens with every single one, or there is a command that will resolv their deps?)
[08:52] <johntramp> eyequeue, lol
[08:52] <eyequeue> johntramp:  that url gives the much simpler method
[08:52] <cevizoglu> nevermind, I figured it out
[08:52] <xfelon> what do i use to open .deb?
[08:52] <jas_> Hello I am wondering if Samba will run on Ubuntu?
[08:52] <sally_> does anyone know what repository I have to add to my sources list file to be able to install mplayer
[08:52] <johntramp> thansk
[08:52] <topyli> ktogias: did you upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[08:52] <sally_> xfelon, sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[08:52] <zcat[1] > johntramp: hell no, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list change hoary to breezy, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:52] <ktogias> topyli, yes
[08:52] <xfelon> in terminal?
[08:52] <sally_> yeah
[08:52] <xfelon> k
[08:52] <xfelon> one sec
[08:52] <ktogias> topyli, dist-upgrade
[08:52] <eyequeue> sally_:  Filename: pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/mplayer-586_1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6_i386.deb
[08:52] <b3nw> has anyone gotten dvd shrink working on breezy
[08:52] <b3nw> ?
[08:52] <eyequeue> sally_:  multiverse it seems
[08:52] <shale> !tell me 3d
[08:53] <starscalling> shin
[08:53] <shale> !tell me ati
[08:53] <shini-sama> starscalling
[08:53] <starscalling> ask here
[08:53] <starscalling> :)
[08:53] <shini-sama> no
[08:53] <shini-sama> lol
[08:53] <starscalling> bah
[08:53] <topyli> ktogias: sometimes you need to do it several times to give apt a chance to sort things out
[08:53] <xfelon> wtf
[08:53] <shale> how do i get my ati x300 3d working under breezy?
[08:53] <xfelon> the file has a password
[08:53] <jas_> cafuego_: Do you know if Samba will run on Ubuntu?
[08:53] <zcat[1] > b3nw: install mplayer/mencoder
[08:53] <shini-sama> i dont ask questions
[08:53] <starscalling> these guys are way better than #debian
[08:53] <xfelon> Those files ubotn gave me had passwrods
[08:53] <shini-sama> i play to the point of frustration
[08:53] <starscalling> hey
[08:53] <cevizoglu> shale, beats me.  I walked through the ATI drivers wiki and it didn't work
[08:53] <sally_> xfelon, no they dont
[08:53] <starscalling> who could tell me how to change ownership of ntfs hdd mounted to a folder
[08:54] <zcat[1] > mencoder will read and re-encode DVD's (with the right libraries..)
[08:54] <starscalling> please
[08:54] <sally_> xfelon, just type in your user password
[08:54] <starscalling> :P
[08:54] <jas_> crimsun : Hey whats up?  That mounting really helped out.  I appriciate it.  Do you know though if Samba will run on Ubuntu??
[08:54] <xfelon> oh
[08:54] <xfelon> lol
[08:54] <shale> cevizoglu: which wiki?
[08:54] <xfelon> ok
[08:54] <xfelon> is it installed now?
[08:54] <tritium> jas_, samba definitely runs on ubuntu
[08:54] <xfelon> "setting up sun-j2re1.5..."
[08:54] <ktogias> topyli, Have already run apt-get dist-upgrade a 3-4 times... It doesn't seem to do something new with those packages.
[08:54] <eyequeue> dvds:  that reminds me ... what do people recommend to use to backup to dvd-rw ?
[08:54] <cevizoglu> shale; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[08:54] <jas_> tritium: Okay what package should I download??
[08:54] <starscalling> jas_::
[08:54] <starscalling> there is something really nice in ubuntu
[08:55] <starscalling> let me find again
[08:55] <cafuego_> jas_: Yes, samba runs fine on ubuntu.
[08:55] <elad`> How do I remove "lock current location" from Konqueror's default settings?
[08:55] <xfelon> ok sally
[08:55] <shini-sama> lol
[08:55] <tritium> jas_, samba, literally
[08:55] <starscalling> it can browse windows folders great
[08:55] <xfelon> after i installed those .deb's can i delete them?
[08:55] <brentdax> Error while upgrading: "E: /cdrom//pool/main/g/gcc-4.0/libstdc++6_4.0.1-4ubuntu9_i386.deb:  subprocess dpkg-split returned error exit status 2"
[08:55] <xfelon> or do i need them to stay on my desktop?
[08:55] <cevizoglu> shale, actually, I think I failed to edit my xorg.conf file.  maybe that will make it work
[08:55] <eyequeue> xfelon:  unless you want to use them on another machine later or something
[08:56] <xfelon> no
[08:56] <Java_The_Hutt> Question: is there any significant disadvantage (like unstability) of Kubuntu over ubuntu
[08:56] <ktogias> topyli, I am taking them one-by-one... It seems to work...
[08:56] <xfelon> when i move to trash can i ever get that stuff back?
[08:56] <jrr> yes.
[08:56] <topyli> ktogias: there are unresolved dependencies it seems. apt-get -f install might help. or not
[08:56] <brentdax> This happened after it started applying the new packages, so I'm worried it might have messed something up...
[08:56] <jas_> cafuego_: Do you think you could help me install it because to be honest as you know I'm a Linux nub!
[08:56] <ktogias> topyli, I tryed that too.
[08:56] <xfelon> rofl i have Azureus running
[08:56] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  the "[dis] advantage" is that is uses kde rather than gnome
[08:56] <sally_> xfelon, I have  no idea I  installed ubuntu for the first time this evening... and right now I got back from a party and am drunk
[08:56] <topyli> xfelon: sure, until you empty the trash
[08:56] <xfelon> how do i empty trash?
[08:57] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  some would say advantage, some would say disadvantage :)  whichever you prefer
[08:57] <jrr> it's just like windows. right click on the trash can.
[08:57] <ktogias> xfelon, rightclick on it
[08:57] <xfelon> i dont see any trash cans
[08:57] <zcat[1] > same as windows, right click on it and 'empty the trash'
[08:57] <eyequeue> xfelon:  right click on it
[08:57] <Java_The_Hutt> eyequeue, as a first sight  i found KDE superior over GNOME, why do some think otherwise ?
[08:57] <eyequeue> xfelon:  bottom right corner (if in gnome)
[08:57] <xfelon> haa
[08:57] <xfelon> jsut found it
[08:57] <topyli> xfelon: it's in your bottom panel, on the right
[08:57] <jas_> xfelon : Its on the right bottom side of the Panel it looks like a trash can.
[08:57] <brentdax> (I grabbed an ISO off BitTorrent for the base packages, and then set synaptic using it and online repositories for everything that wasn't on the CD.)
[08:57] <xfelon> thanks
[08:57] <zcat[1] > right click on desktop and tell it to show you the trash..
[08:57] <xfelon> man you guys rock
[08:57] <starscalling> i think its places >> network servers
[08:58] <xfelon> im never going back to windows =)
[08:58] <jas_> cafuego_: Do you think you could help me install it because to be honest as you know I'm a Linux nub!
[08:58] <zcat[1] > it should be in the desktop settings somewhere
[08:58] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  that "windowsish" feel and eye candy can be viewed as bloat to some.  use whichever you like and your machine likes, really
[08:58] <b3nw> has anyone gotten dvd shrink working on breezy?
[08:59] <zcat[1] > isn't dvdshrink a windows program?
[08:59] <xfelon> ya
[08:59] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  an old slow machine may prefer something lighter like xfce ("xubuntu")
[08:59] <Java_The_Hutt> Question: Can i upgrade from ubuntu hoary to Kubuntu Breezy ?
[08:59] <b3nw> with wine
[08:59] <Razor-X> does anyone here have a deep, profession-announcer-style voice, and if they could record a sound byte for me, could they PM me?
[08:59] <starscalling> zcat[1] :: yeah
[08:59] <starscalling> but its on linux too
[08:59] <brentdax> Also got a lot of errors about "extracting templates from packages" (can't c&p those).
[08:59] <Razor-X> eyequeue: have you tried ratpoison?
[08:59] <starscalling> ive used it to good effect
[08:59] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  yes
[08:59] <b3nw> starscalling - on breezy?
[08:59] <topyli> Java_The_Hutt: sure. upgrade and install kubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: oddly enough a mate here is a voice actor!
[09:00] <Java_The_Hutt> thx all
[09:00] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: excellent!
[09:00] <starscalling> yeah b3nw
[09:00] <starscalling> o
[09:00] <starscalling> no
[09:00] <starscalling> on debian
[09:00] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: can he record something for me in a small WAV?
[09:00] <b3nw> :\
[09:00] <starscalling> but why not get the package and build it
[09:00] <eyequeue> Java_The_Hutt:  installl kubuntu-desktop (uninstall ubuntu-desktop) and then do the upgrade to breezy that everyone is recommending
[09:00] <shini-sama> :'(
[09:00] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: I could ask. is it commercial or just personal?
[09:00] <starscalling> OMFG updates FINISHED downloading!
[09:00] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: personal, totally
[09:00] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  no, not personally
[09:00] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: it's for a school project
[09:00] <starscalling> 196 of em >_<
[09:01] <Razor-X> eyequeue: if you want to go really minimalistic, it's pretty useful
[09:01] <angryfix> This is sort of odd. I was trying to install a day of defeat server and I messed up the command line arguments and it created a dir called '-dir'. Well I can't erase the damn thing because it keep trying to read -dir as a parameter for mkdir.
[09:01] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  like it?
[09:01] <b3nw> wine and winesetuptk won't install together, its either one or the other, its like they arn't setup the same... so every guide i try to follow doesn't work... I can get dvd shrink started but when I open a disk it bombs out.
[09:01] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: in that case, np, I will ask as a favor. email me details<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:01] <Razor-X> eyequeue: it's prety nice, you wanna see a screenshot?
[09:01] <^fuelman> What aboy Edubuntu for the kids .. no mirrors .. can only DL in 50k / s
[09:01] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: can I PM you? because it's pretty simple
[09:01] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  yeah, i only mention xfce due to the new xubuntu option heh
[09:01] <Razor-X> it's a few seconds, at most
[09:01] <b3nw> "Failed to initalize ASPI device"
[09:01] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  sure, if you have one handy :)
[09:01] <Razor-X> eyequeue: yeah, XFce is pretty nice, you can try ratpoison too
[09:01] <starscalling> b3nw:: ill have it in in a couple days if no one else gets it working for ya ill try to help :P
[09:01] <starscalling> b/c i MUST have it XD
[09:01] <zcat[1] > cjhcjhcjh: cool; I need all my asterisk prompts redone too.. the defaults aren't too great :(
[09:01] <Razor-X> eyequeue: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/ratpoison.png
[09:01] <brentdax> Shit, I think locales are broken...
[09:02] <EnsignRedshirt> Hello, world.
[09:02] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: I a part way thru trying to get this install set-up and have no ps or anything etc (lol at asterix)
[09:02] <tritium> brentdax, please don't curse, kthx
[09:02] <cjhcjhcjh> s/ps/pm/
[09:02] <EnsignRedshirt> If I plug in a USB printer, should Ubuntu (breezy) detect it automatically?
[09:02] <shini-sama> anyone know how to mount an ntfs filesystem so its readable by someone other than root?
[09:03] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  nice
[09:03] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, depends on the printer
[09:03] <Razor-X> shini-sama: sudo mount /dev/path/to/drive /mnt/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[09:03] <Seveas> shini-sama, add umask=0000
[09:03] <zcat[1] > hmm.. I just removed my currently running kernel in synaptic. It got really paranoid about it too :)
[09:03] <shini-sama> thanks, i'll try that now
[09:03] <Razor-X> Seveas: but isn't ntfs dangerous to be written by someone other than root?
[09:03] <Seveas> zcat[1] , hehe :)
[09:03] <EnsignRedshirt> I'm using System->Administration->Printers->New Printer; the printer does not show up in "Use a detected printer"
[09:03] <starscalling> btw
[09:03] <zcat[1] > swapping 386 to 686 ..
[09:03] <Seveas> Razor-X, even with umask=0000 it's readonly :)
[09:03] <aftertaf> ntfs wont write at all.....
[09:04] <Razor-X> eyequeue: like my Konsole theme?
[09:04] <eyequeue> zcat[1] :  i'd install a good one before rebooting :)
[09:04] <Razor-X> Seveas: oh, meh
[09:04] <starscalling> i was using k3b to burn b3nw
[09:04] <eyequeue> Razor-X:  yes :)
[09:04] <brentdax> tritium, please give soem consideration to the fact that I'm worried I may have seriously damaged my installation and I can't seem to find anyone willing to give me a hint about what might be going on, kthx.
[09:04] <shini-sama> i know i cant write to it
[09:04] <brentdax> *some
[09:04] <shini-sama> just want to read it
[09:04] <zcat[1] > Setting up linux-image-2.6.12-9-686 (2.6.12-9.23) ...
[09:04] <Seveas> brentdax, 'sup?
[09:04] <shini-sama> :D
[09:04] <zcat[1] > I have live cd's .. I can recover from almost anything anyhow..
[09:04] <xfelon> hey does anyone have a linksys wireless g router?
[09:04] <EnsignRedshirt> I get some activity in dmesg when I plug the printer in, but I'm not sure what to do next...
[09:04] <shini-sama> woot, that worked, thanks Razor-X
[09:05] <tritium> brentdax, what's going on?
[09:05] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: got my PM?
[09:05] <eyequeue> xfelon:  no one does :)  what did you need?
[09:05] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, system-> admin->printers perhaps...
[09:05] <xfelon> well
[09:05] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: That's what I'm looking at now, but the printer has not been detected.
[09:05] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: probably, but being n00b I don&t know how to raed it ;-)
[09:05] <xfelon> i need to open the port 6881
[09:05] <xfelon> it says its blacklisted
[09:05] <xfelon> wondering if anyone knew how
[09:05] <eyequeue> xfelon:  (wrt54g here)
[09:05] <xfelon> ME TOO
[09:05] <xfelon> wrt54g
[09:06] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: oh, meh, then here it is
[09:06] <cevizoglu> I'm trying to configure 3D accel on an ATI X300 w/ breezy on a thinkpad.  I've install xorg-server-fglrx, but I'm not sure what to do next?  do I edit xorg.conf? rebuild the kernel? or both?
[09:06] <zcat[1] > rebooting..   Used that plus the repositories to upgrade, but when Synaptic got to the "apply" step, I got a bunch of errors during preprocessing implying that it couldn't read files it had snagged from the CD and finally bailed while trying to unpack libstdc++.
[09:06] <brentdax> I can't get an md5sum off /dev/cdrom--is that normal?
[09:06] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, have you checked linuxprinting.org ?
[09:06] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: I was wondering if he could say this in a deep voice ``It's your friends Mr. Baa baa and Mr. Hoppy IN --- BOOK TALK'' (Mr. Baa baa is a sheep, and Mr. Hoppy is a frog)
[09:06] <Razor-X> mmmm, FMA Complete Best is one of my all-time favorite CDs
[09:07] <eyequeue> xfelon:  you know how to get to the router with firefox, right?
[09:07] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: heh not at all off-topic, eh? ok I will ask...but will need to be able to contact you back so email would help ;-)
[09:07] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: I need it for a school project tomorrow :P
[09:07] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: This printer worked fine in warty.  It is in the list of supported printers.
[09:07] <aftertaf> "Could't stat source package list...", when apt-get update.... any ideas why?
[09:07] <eyequeue> xfelon: applications and gming, then open the port
[09:07] <shale> breezy is a lot sluggier than winxp on my laptop
[09:07] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:07] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: I think it might be a detection/USB problem.
[09:07] <aftertaf> shale:  install kernel for your proc type.
[09:07] <shale> :(
[09:07] <Razor-X> *gasp* my email address was just imprinted on logs worldwide :P
[09:07] <xfelon> what is gming?
[09:08] <brentdax> When I try to md5sum /dev/cdrom: "error processing /dev/cdrom: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error"
[09:08] <xfelon> now
[09:08] <xfelon> i have to type in a url to my firefox browser
[09:08] <xfelon> forgot the url
[09:08] <Razor-X> I think i'm the first, ever, to do that :P
[09:08] <Seveas> EnsignRedshirt, might very well be, consider filing a bug at bugzilla (include the dmesg stuff there and the fact thatit worked in warty)
[09:08] <airxdres> Hi all
[09:08] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: I will go ask now
[09:09] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: thanks
[09:09] <brentdax> aftertaf: I'm no expert, but I usually see that when a server is down or misconfigured.
[09:09] <xfelon> wait
[09:09] <xfelon> i found it
[09:09] <xfelon> eyequeue i foudn ti
[09:09] <aftertaf> brentdax:  or when no net connection is up?
[09:09] <aftertaf> thx
[09:09] <brentdax> aftertaf: I suppose that would do it too.
[09:09] <eyequeue> xfelon:  Setup | Wireless | Security | Access Restrictions | Applications & Gaming | Administration | Setup
[09:10] <xfelon> yaes
[09:10] <xfelon> i foudn it
[09:10] <xfelon> lol sorry
[09:10] <EnsignRedshirt> Seveas: Hmmm... I got it working by selecting "USB Printer #1".  Go figure.
[09:10] <xfelon> now how do i unblock
[09:10] <cevizoglu> nevermind, I found what to change in the xorg.conf file... blah
[09:10] <xfelon> where do i put ip?
[09:10] <eyequeue> xfelon:  i type slowly
[09:10] <xfelon> its ok
[09:10] <brentdax> Maybe I'll try to get the ISO onto one of my other machines and burn it from there...
[09:10] <aftertaf> brentdax:  hmm. trying to help s/one who has no X and no net connection after his upgrade to breezy.....
[09:10] <xfelon> can i just have all ports for azureus open?
[09:10] <Seveas> aftertaf, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:10] <eyequeue> xfelon:  A&G > Port Range Forward
[09:11] <aftertaf> Seveas:  ok.
[09:11] <xfelon> yes im there
[09:11] <xfelon> anyway to make azureus open 24/7?
[09:11] <xfelon> instead of ports
[09:11] <eyequeue> xfelon: just to the left of enable is where you put the ip of your host
[09:11] <aftertaf> lwells:  try the dpkg command i sent you....
[09:11] <eyequeue> xfelon: not sure, i guess google may know
[09:12] <dazvid> Whats a nice program to burn ISO's with?
[09:12] <aftertaf> dazvid:  k3b
[09:12] <dazvid> Danke
[09:12] <topyli> dazvid: nautilus
[09:12] <xmaster> xcdroast
[09:12] <dooglus> nero
[09:12] <eyequeue> what's a nice program to do backups to dvd-rw with?
[09:12] <dooglus> bad dooglus!  <slap>
[09:12] <dazvid> lol ^
[09:12] <topyli> dazvid: right-click on the iso, choose "write"
[09:12] <Seveas> !lart dooglus
[09:13] <dazvid> ah thanks topyli
[09:13] <eyequeue> or dvd+rw?  what's the difference? (this drive will do both)
[09:13] <xfelon> geeze this is tough
[09:13] <[nrx] > i need some webcam help if anyone wants to try with me?
[09:13] <rathma> re
[09:13] <dooglus> eyequeue: I hear that dvd+rw's play back in domestic DVD players?
[09:13] <bozeck> what is the application in gnome called that lets me drag windows from one virt desktop to another ? (the one in the toolbar on the bottom)
[09:13] <eyequeue> dooglus:  no idea
[09:14] <keffynd> [nrx]  start by taking your top off, other will think you are rushing things otherwise
[09:14] <lwells> the reconfigure did not work
[09:14] <Slaj_R> Does anyone else have problems installing RealPlayer?
[09:14] <[nrx] > thanks for the wise words, keffynd
[09:14] <topyli> bozeck: workspace switcher
[09:14] <dooglus> eyequeue: me either, but it's what I was told.  if you burn an mpeg to a dvd+rw, all dvd players will play it.  I don't know if dvd-rw is harder to get working, or impossible...
[09:14] <eyequeue> bozeck:  no idea, but if i right-click on the top of a window, i can move it to another desktop, if that helps any
[09:14] <kYotiK> anyone in here on the dabber development team?
[09:15] <kYotiK> thats the name of the 6.04 isnt it?
[09:15] <eyequeue> dooglus:  any idea on a good backup-to-dvd app?
[09:15] <rathma> i dont install (apt-get)  sun-j2re1.5 and any packages
[09:15] <dooglus> eyequeue: k3b I guess...
[09:15] <aftertaf> lwells:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, returned an error?
[09:15] <crimsun> (Dapper, and yes, quite a few people are)
[09:15] <eyequeue> dooglus:  i never got it working with dvds, may be me
[09:15] <dooglus> eyequeue: to tell the truth the only dvd writer I have access to is on a windows box...  so 'nero' is my truthful answer :)
[09:15] <lwells> command not found
[09:15] <kYotiK> yea i was wondering if i could help somehow
[09:15] <aftertaf> lwells:  if no error..... try 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start'
[09:15] <eyequeue> dooglus:  gotcha
[09:15] <aftertaf> lwells:  check your fat fingers ;)
[09:16] <crimsun> kYotiK: there's a participation link in the home page
[09:16] <kYotiK> i'd like to help with packaging and finding new cool stuff for the repos, and start a team to help keep them maintained
[09:16] <lwells> hold on, yes that was it, fat again
[09:16] <aftertaf> lwells:  more than important to type the exact cmd in linux.... ;)
[09:16] <kYotiK> crimson i looked at the link, but i really wasnt too impressed with how it wanted me to go about doing it
[09:16] <kYotiK> i figured it would be better to ask in here in person
[09:16] <lwells> it says that xserver-xorg is broken or not fully installed
[09:17] <bozeck> how would i initialize gnome to the state at its initial state, when I first install ubuntu
[09:17] <bozeck> ?
[09:17] <crimsun> kYotiK: /j ubuntu-motu
[09:17] <kYotiK> thanks crimsun
[09:17] <bozeck> Things have stopped running on gnome (workspace switcher and some other things)
[09:17] <xfelon> is there anyway to setup my GUI so it looks cleaner?
[09:17] <xfelon> and i can customize it better?
[09:17] <xfelon> im using gnome
[09:17] <kYotiK> bozneck: did you just do an update?
[09:18] <kYotiK> bozneck: it updated something that did that to mine, but it started working again shortly
[09:18] <bozeck> ky : i didn't.  but I share this machine with somebody else, it's not unlikely that he did
[09:18] <aftertaf> 616 users :)
[09:18] <eyequeue> xfelon:  system > preferences has some things that may help
[09:18] <lllmanulll> bozeck, You can delete your GNOME settings, but this is not totally harmless... You'll probably need to configure things again
[09:18] <kYotiK> bozeck, just give it a min
[09:18] <aftertaf> lwells:  ok.   did it say anything else?
[09:18] <sexcopter8001m> hey guys, can i just say, and i know it's early days, but breezy is perhaps the best thing that ever happened to my laptop =D
[09:19] <bozeck> it's been a few hours.
[09:19] <kYotiK> bozeck are you in gnome now and everything quit interacting?
[09:19] <kYotiK> like the menus would do anything, the iconified windows wouldnt let you open them up, etc?
[09:19] <bozeck> i'm in gnome now, but I'm still interacting with things
[09:19] <lwells> first message was warning:setting locale failed
[09:19] <kYotiK> bozeck: have you tried to killall -9 gnome-panel
[09:19] <bozeck> workspace switcher died, and whatever is in charge of some stuff in the bottom panel died
[09:20] <lwells> also said "Cannot set LC_CType to default locale
[09:20] <xfelon> eyequeue when i click install theme it asks for the install location
[09:20] <lwells> all stuff about Locale
[09:21] <bozeck> ky : that did  not seem to work.
[09:21] <eyequeue> xfelon:  i think it is looking for a url?
[09:21] <kYotiK> bozeck, did you just now try it ?
[09:21] <eyequeue> xfelon:  i think i found themes starting at gnome.org?  i forget
[09:22] <crimsun> lwells: those locale warnings are not show-stoppers
[09:22] <sampan> xfelon, you can download themes from gnome-look.org and then install from the saved files
[09:22] <lwells> show-stopper??
[09:22] <crimsun> lwells: first make sure you downloaded all the necessary Breezy updates
[09:22] <crimsun> lwells: it won't prevent a successful dist-upgrade
[09:22] <jolis> hello
[09:22] <zcat[1] > problem; nvidia drivers won't work - currently using 'nv' .. I installed restricted-modules-..-nvidia-legacy and dmesg says it's loaded but when I swap 'nv' to 'nvidia' in the xorg.conf it just won't start any more :(
[09:22] <lwells> well again, how can i , not connect to internet
[09:22] <BlankB> I add a line to my fstab for my firewire drive that includes user as one of the options but when I try to mount it as a user it always says: "mount: only root can do that" What could I be doing wrong?
[09:22] <xfelon> thanks
[09:23] <crimsun> lwells: do you have a 5.10 CD?
[09:23] <lwells> nope
[09:23] <eyequeue> sampan:  thanks
[09:23] <crimsun> I think it's time to wrangle one
[09:23] <sampan> eyequeue, sure np :)
[09:24] <lwells> well i can on the mac, but it will take awhile
[09:24] <teslan> Hey guys I have a weird problem.  I just installed Ubuntu but it is not installing GRUB correctly.  I get an error 5 when GRUB tries to load to finish the install.
[09:24] <bozeck> kyotik : yea.  all the panels restarted, but workspace switcher and the other app did not restart.  Everything else did, though.
[09:24] <xuniluser> When i upgrade my ubuntu to breezy badger, will it downgrade my apps?
[09:24] <lwells> what if i directly connect to the internet
[09:24] <starscalling> how does one install another gui? like kde?
[09:25] <crimsun> lwells: the machine you want to run Breezy?
[09:25] <kYotiK> bozeck: is everything working but the workspace switching and the other app?? btw what is the other app?
[09:25] <Jedrick> how to know if im using ubuntu breezy?
[09:25] <eyequeue> starscalling:  "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" is the simple way
[09:25] <lwells> i want to run it wireless, but maybe just to get this fixed
[09:25] <crimsun> Jedrick: lsb_release -a
[09:25] <kYotiK> starscalling: apt-get install kde-desktop
[09:25] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: tried to do the soundbite; prob with soundcard; am going to do it on a diff pc...should have it to you asap
[09:25] <sampan> starscalling, apt-get install kde-desktop ... iirc
[09:25] <sampan> lol
[09:25] <starscalling> sweet thanx kYotiK
[09:25] <crimsun> lwells: your wireless should already work.
[09:25] <kYotiK> oh yea kubuntu-desktop maybe
[09:26] <cjhcjhcjh> Razor-X: rebooting bbl
[09:26] <kYotiK> and of course sudo or su
[09:26] <crimsun> starscalling: kubuntu-desktop
[09:26] <starscalling> are there a lot of gui's as packages?
[09:26] <Razor-X> cjhcjhcjh: mmkay
[09:26] <lwells> it says "no wireless extentions"
[09:26] <crimsun> lwells: which chipset?
[09:26] <Jedrick> crimsun: thnx dude
[09:26] <StarKruzr> hi kids.
[09:26] <kYotiK> starscalling you might want to install xfce4
[09:26] <LaserLine> Anyone could help me install Sun's Java on breezy ?
[09:26] <lwells> "Brookdale"
[09:27] <crimsun> no, xubuntu-desktop
[09:27] <kYotiK> or you might even like enlightenment
[09:27] <eyequeue> starscalling:  "kubuntu-desktop" is actually something that pulls in all of the things you'd want to have a nice kde setup
[09:27] <kYotiK> xubuntu-desktop?
[09:27] <crimsun> yes
[09:27] <kYotiK> i thought it was kubuntu-desktop
[09:27] <starscalling> ah
[09:27] <starscalling> sweet
[09:27] <sampan> which wm/gui is xubuntu?
[09:27] <eyequeue> starscalling:  "xubuntu-desktop" is actually something that pulls in all of the things you'd want to have a nice xfce setup
[09:27] <crimsun> Xfce
[09:27] <LaserLine> I followed the wiki under restricted format's and used 'sudo update-alternatives --config java' to switch to Sun's java, but Konquerer or Firefox doesn't use it... (they were restarted)
[09:27] <sampan> oh -- nice
[09:27] <starscalling> so
[09:27] <starscalling> both of those couldnt hurt :P
[09:27] <kYotiK> starscalling most of us arent fans of KDE really heh
[09:28] <kYotiK> i hate the widgets and the windowish look myself
[09:28] <eyequeue> starscalling:  and of course "ubuntu-desktop" is actually something that pulls in all of the things you'd want to have a nice gnome setup
[09:28] <starscalling> just wanted to mess with a few things i guess
[09:28] <lwells> Maybe I will just create a Breezy CD tommorrow
[09:28] <starscalling> o.O
[09:28] <starscalling> really
[09:28] <kYotiK> but thats just the interface its still just as powerful, just been hooked on gnome for several years
[09:28] <starscalling> ill try that then
[09:28] <xfelon> hey i got annother q
[09:28] <xfelon> i have a logitech laser mouse
[09:28] <starscalling> eyequeue:: ever use k3b?
[09:28] <xfelon> and the thumb button "back" doesnt work
[09:28] <starscalling> i had a little trouble with errors in debian a while back
[09:28] <xfelon> is there a driver or something i need to install?
[09:29] <starscalling> but i was using the experimental at the time... wondered how the matchup was
[09:29] <eyequeue> starscalling:  i installed it ti get dvd-rw support, but it didn't work for that here somehow
[09:29] <starscalling> and is there anything for ripping // backing up dvd's?
[09:29] <kYotiK> when was the last xfce update?  i posted a bug on the bugzilla a few weeks ago.. xfce was working fine then my right click menu stopped working, even after a reboot... anyone else had this problem?
[09:29] <Razor-X> kYotiK: you hate window decorations and widgets?
[09:29] <kYotiK> no
[09:29] <starscalling> ah
[09:29] <Razor-X> kYotiK: oh, ok, meh
[09:29] <kYotiK> i mean i hate the Qt widgets in kde
[09:29] <lwells> i need to get to bed, if worse comes to worse, i will just reinstall Linux
[09:29] <Razor-X> kYotiK: oh, meh
[09:29] <crimsun> kYotiK: Xfce itself or xubuntu-meta?
[09:29] <eyequeue> starscalling:  could be me
[09:29] <LaserLine> Well, Sun's JAva works in Konqueror but not in Firefox... What can I do ?
[09:29] <Razor-X> I love QT widgets, in general
[09:30] <brentdax> Hmm, the bad part of saving the day with your iPod is that you can't listen to said iPod while said day is being saved.
[09:30] <brentdax> starscalling: Anything wrong with `dd if=/dev/cdrom of=blah`?
[09:30] <crimsun> Jani updated the seed in -meta shortly before release, but that wouldn't have affected xfdesktop4
[09:30] <kYotiK> crimsun it was XFCE4 i installed it from the repos, and i installed XFCE4 package
[09:30] <kYotiK> but i didnt know of this xubuntu stuff, but im sure it installed those too as deps
[09:30] <crimsun> xfce4 from breezy/universe, correct?
[09:30] <kYotiK> correct
[09:31] <crimsun> open a terminal, pkill xfdesktop, restart it, and secondary-click. What's the error?
[09:31] <StarKruzr> GNOME > KDE
[09:31] <kYotiK> well im not in xfce right now crimsun
[09:31] <Razor-X> crimsun: what happens if you have a few debian packages that are working fine, will they be superceded cleanly by their corresponding breezy packages?
[09:31] <xfelon> How do I see how much memory im using?
[09:31] <crimsun> Razor-X: there's no guarantee for packages from Debian
[09:31] <sampan> how much of a memory overhead does xfce save over kde?
[09:31] <bozeck> kytotik : the other app is whatever draws the windows on the bottom panel, that show what applications are on the current virt desktop.  Not sure how to describe it correctly....
[09:32] <Razor-X> crimsun: :(
[09:32] <starscalling> brentdax would be nice to be able to shrink my isos etc
[09:32] <kYotiK> Razor-X they will be reverted or upgraded..  they arent official ubuntu packages...
[09:32] <Razor-X> kYotiK: well, the hoary version of ratpoison was 2 years behind
[09:32] <kYotiK> sampan: it saves a lot
[09:32] <Razor-X> kYotiK: and since it uses very few (if any) dependancies, I said ``what the hell'' and used the Debian deb
[09:32] <LaserLine> Anyone ?
[09:32] <Razor-X> but, the breezy deb seems to be up to date
[09:32] <kYotiK> Razor-X: dont complain about that..  look at Redhats version of soundjuicer
[09:32] <kYotiK> heh
[09:32] <brentdax> StarKruzr: Channel with holy wars < Channel without holy wars
[09:33] <StarKruzr> I disagree!  :D
[09:33] <sampan> kyotik, hrmmmm ... i have xfce installed, but i got my kde looking so clean (just six icons on each side of the transparent taskbar and nothing on the desktop) so i never really gave it a shot
[09:33] <Razor-X> kYotiK: meh
[09:33] <crimsun> no, use -offtopic for wars
[09:33] <sampan> but always the temptation is to experiment :X
[09:33] <Razor-X> kYotiK: can I tell that package _not_ to dist-upgrade?
[09:33] <crimsun> you can hold it, pin it, etc.
[09:34] <Razor-X> crimsun: hmmm, i'll mess with aptitude
[09:34] <kYotiK> sampan: just give xfce a chance its really a good desktop, it has really low overhead, and it has a lot of good features built in...
[09:34] <ktogias> Hi again, After upgrading from hoary rebooting to breezy I find out that module tuner that I use for my bttv TVcard doesn't accept parameter 'type' : [4295361.480000]  tuner: Unknown parameter `type'
[09:34] <LaserLine> How can I link Sun's java to Firefox ??
[09:34] <kYotiK> ktogias: try depmod and modprobe the card again
[09:34] <crimsun> LaserLine: use java-package from multiverse.
[09:35] <kYotiK> ktogias: you may have changed to a diff version of the kernel which caused a problem with those previously compiled modules
[09:35] <xfelon> how do i change my screen resolution?
[09:35] <sampan> kyotik, might do so -- i think i tried it a once or twice, but i hate rebooting, so once i got kde settled, i just never went back to it -- maybe when i upgrade to breezy i'll give it a go for a longer spell :)
[09:35] <jolis> does ubuntu support radeon 9550 videocard ?
[09:35] <kYotiK> sampan u dont need to reboot to go into xfce
[09:35] <ktogias> root@media:~# depmod
[09:35] <ktogias> root@media:~# modprobe tuner type=5 pal=b
[09:35] <ktogias> FATAL: Error inserting tuner (/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[09:35] <jolis> and does it have switcher for the ntsc/pal tvout
[09:35] <kYotiK> just log out after u install and log into xfce session
[09:35] <sampan> yeah, or log out
[09:35] <kYotiK> you can stay logged in too
[09:35] <ktogias> [4295677.787000]  tuner: Unknown parameter `type'
[09:35] <kYotiK> and ctrl alt f7
[09:36] <sampan> *nod*  yeah, i'm lazy :X
[09:36] <ktogias> Is there any way to handle it?
[09:36] <shale> what is a 3d game i can get via apt to test my 3d config?
[09:36] <kYotiK> sampan: i have grown that way myself
[09:36] <crimsun> ktogias: type is no longer a parameter to that kernel module
[09:36] <kYotiK> shale: you can get vegastrike
[09:36] <xfelon> lol i dont like this resolution
[09:36] <noodle> shale: tuxracer
[09:37] <shale> ok i'll try those, thanks
[09:37] <shale> are either of them fun? :)
[09:37] <kYotiK> tux is ok... vegastrike is pretty complicated and it uses a lot of resources, but it kicks ass
[09:37] <kYotiK> vegastrike is still in beta
[09:38] <shale> what about planetplenguin-racer ?
[09:38] <kYotiK> shale:  thats it
[09:38] <kYotiK> it got renamed
[09:39] <shale> thats which?
[09:39] <[nrx] > can anyone offer me some help with getting a webcam to work?
[09:39] <Razor-X> tuxracer got renamed?!
[09:39] <kYotiK> im pretty sure it did
[09:40] <aftertaf> anyone got the 2nd world levels for supertux?
[09:40] <Razor-X> *gasp*
[09:40] <ktogias> If I modprobe tuner without type parameter Tuner doesn'work and I get at dmesg: [4295928.045000]  tuner 0-0061: tuner type not set
[09:40] <Razor-X> TuxRacer has been a UNIX staple for who knows _how_ long
[09:40] <Puffball> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo/ <-- I've been following this guide to install a Ralink 2570 driver, but when I run 'make' in Breezy I get errors due to not having GCC 3.4, but GCC 4 and 3.3 are the only versions included
[09:41] <kYotiK> ktogias:  you need to set the tuner type.. and i really couldnt guide you through that, i never have messed with tv tuners on linux
[09:41] <Razor-X> no, it's still TuxRacer on the website
[09:41] <crimsun> Puffball: aptitude install build-essential gcc-3.4
[09:41] <crimsun> Puffball: also install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[09:41] <kYotiK> Razor-X: check the planet penguin thing
[09:41] <Juhaz> Puffball, it should compile just fine with gcc 3.3
[09:41] <ktogias> I used to do that via the type param, but now: [4295908.392000]  tuner: Unknown parameter `type'
[09:42] <crimsun> ktogias: type no longer exists as a parameter. Don't pass it to modprobe.
[09:42] <Puffball> Juhaz, would I have to uninstall GCC 4 to compile with 3.3?
[09:42] <kYotiK> Razor-X: it didnt get renamed its just a new version of it
[09:42] <LaserLine> crimsun I have that package, what to do with it ?
[09:42] <ktogias> crimsun, And how will I set the tuner type???
[09:42] <Razor-X> kYotiK: yeah, that's whath I got googling
[09:42] <kYotiK> PlanetPenguin Racer, or ppracer as it is called for short, is a simple OpenGL
[09:42] <kYotiK> racing game featuring Tux, the Linux mascot. The goal of the game is to slide
[09:42] <kYotiK> down a snow- and ice-covered mountain as quickly as possible, avoiding the
[09:42] <kYotiK> trees and rocks that will slow you down.
[09:42] <crimsun> Puffball: see what I typed
[09:42] <kYotiK> It is based on the GPL version of TuxRacer.
[09:42] <kYotiK> You should have working 3D acceleration or this game will run quite slow.
[09:42] <kYotiK> Homepage: http://projects.planetpenguin.de/racer/
[09:43] <Puffball> crimsun, I tried that, but it required connecting to one of Ubuntu's servers, and I'm trying to install a wifi card :/
[09:43] <kYotiK> hmm did that just go to the chan?
[09:43] <mark_> yes
[09:43] <kYotiK> cuz i meant to paste it to Razor-X
[09:43] <crimsun> ktogias: you don't
[09:43] <kYotiK> sorry ya all
[09:43] <Major_Stitch> Hi
[09:43] <Razor-X> kYotiK: I found the homepage, so, no worries
[09:43] <crimsun> Puffball: sneakernet via usb thumb drive
[09:43] <ktogias> crimsun, Then tuner doesn't work.
[09:43] <Puffball> crimsun: oh?
[09:43] <crimsun> ktogias: then google and modinfo tuner
[09:44] <kYotiK> brb everyone smoke break
[09:44] <starscalling> !tell starscalling about win32 codecs
[09:44] <crimsun> Puffball: oh...what?
[09:44] <ktogias> crimsun, I am doing that and I think I found something: http://www.linuxforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=151689
[09:44] <[nrx] > can anyone offer me some help with getting a webcam to work?
[09:44] <Puffball> crimsun: sneakernet? I don't have a USB drive.
[09:45] <LaserLine> crimsun I have that package, what should I do with it ?
[09:45] <Major_Stitch> Ummm...sorry, I have a question about ubuntu packages/programs: for 6 months there are no updates? Right? So have can I update Firefox 1.x.x to 1.x.y for example?
[09:45] <starscalling> hey
[09:45] <crimsun> Puffball: ok, how about a floppy or cd-r(w)?
[09:45] <starscalling> how much bw is pushed out by those servers on release weeks?
[09:45] <Puffball> crumsun, sure, but what does 'sneakernet' mean?
[09:45] <Da_SWAT> hi all, I'm having a small problem. I'm trying to upgrade to breezy, but my systems hangs @ 'preconfiguring packages'. It's a AMD64 3500+, and the status didn't change for the last 2 hours. Help!
[09:45] <aaron__> hey all, im a brand new linux user, and i need help configuring my sound card, and installing codecs can some one please help me??
[09:45] <crimsun> starscalling: us.releases was pushing 675 Mb/s yesterday.
[09:45] <starscalling> dam
[09:45] <starscalling> on a gbit?
[09:46] <starscalling> its so awesome that ubuntu is free XD
[09:46] <crimsun> Puffball: it means you walk it from one machine to another, hence "sneakers"
[09:46] <Major_Stitch> aaron: seacrh on http://wiki.ubuntu.com there should be how to install codecs and should be about setting the sound card
[09:46] <Razor-X> starscalling: free as in beer, or free as in libre?
[09:46] <aaron__> thank you
[09:46] <aaron__> ill try that right away
[09:47] <Juhaz> Puffball, try something like "make CC=gcc-3.3"
[09:47] <[nrx] > can anyone offer me some help with getting a webcam to work?
[09:47] <Major_Stitch> aaron: no problem, hope you'll find what you need
[09:47] <crimsun> Juhaz: no, the kernel was compiled with gcc-3.4
[09:47] <starscalling> free as in ive not pulled out my checkbook yet :P
[09:47] <Puffball> Ah, alright, thanks Juhaz, crumsun.
[09:47] <Juhaz> it was? urgh. what the hell is the sense of compiling the kernel with something that isn't included
[09:47] <starscalling> configuring it all right and finding everything is a bit of a bear
[09:47] <Major_Stitch> starscalling: lol
[09:47] <Jedrick> HOw to configure shorewall?
[09:47] <starscalling> but totally worth it
[09:47] <starscalling> XD
[09:47] <crimsun> Juhaz: because the kernel WON'T compile with gcc4
[09:47] <starscalling> though
[09:47] <crimsun> Juhaz: pretty simple.
[09:48] <tristanmike> night all
[09:48] <starscalling> ive yet to understand porting firewalls correctly
[09:48] <RippinEmDaily21> shut up
[09:48] <starscalling> on any front end
[09:48] <liable> Jedrick: you go to shorewall.org and read there excellant documentation.
[09:48] <ktogias> Just Fixed It! : Option type has been removed from tuner in 2.6.12. Instead I have to pass tuner={tuner type number} parameter to bttv module!!!!
[09:48] <xfelon> how do i see how much memory i am using?
[09:48] <Da_SWAT> I'm having a big problem. I'm trying to upgrade to breezy, but my systems hangs @ 'preconfiguring packages'. It's a AMD64 3500+, and the status didn't change for the last 2 hours. --> Anyone?
[09:48] <crimsun> ktogias: like I said... :-)
[09:48] <liable> xfelon: free, top.
[09:48] <Juhaz> crimsun, so then bundle the 3.4
[09:48] <RippinEmDaily21> u don't know
[09:48] <crimsun> Juhaz: it is available.
[09:48] <RippinEmDaily21> im gonna rip it real quick
[09:48] <xfelon> free top?
[09:48] <RippinEmDaily21> listen
[09:48] <Major_Stitch> sorry people but does anybody know how to update programs for the first months since there are no updates. For example how can I update Firefox 1.0.x to 1.0.x+1?
[09:48] <RippinEmDaily21> im spit so harmful
[09:49] <bozeck> kYotiK: Thanks, I figured out my issue.  It's mostly that I'm gnome-ignant
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> its like gases pollute ya lungs
[09:49] <Puffball> crimsun: this may or may not be a dumb question, but from windows, how could I get a hold of gcc-3.4 package for Ubuntu -- what source?
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> leaven ya stung
[09:49] <crimsun> RippinEmDaily21: this is a help channel. Go to #ubuntu-offtopic for that.
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> don't mess wit someone u don't know
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> shut up
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> aight
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> im playin
[09:49] <liable> bye bye
[09:49] <RippinEmDaily21> peace
[09:49] <Major_Stitch> Puffball: i think you can get it on the gcc web page..but not sure
[09:50] <Puffball> ah
[09:50] <crimsun> Puffball: packages.ubuntu.com/gcc-3.4
[09:50] <Puffball> ah, thanks
[09:50] <eyequeue> Puffball:  also the source code is always available on ubuntu mirrors, if that's what you need
[09:50] <crimsun> Puffball: make sure you get the Breezy one for your architecture
[09:50] <anthony> What's the command for configuring xorg hardware and etc. again? I rememberd it's something like "sudo xorg-config blah blah", anybody know?
[09:50] <Puffball> alright
[09:50] <LaserLine> crimsun What should I do with java-package ?
[09:50] <crimsun> LaserLine: create a deb from the Sun JRE/JDK that you downloaded.
[09:51] <eyequeue> anthony:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename :)
[09:51] <crimsun> LaserLine: the deb that you will create handles the symlinks.
[09:51] <eyequeue> anthony:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, in this case i think
[09:51] <anthony> eyequeue: Thank you.
[09:51] <eyequeue> np
[09:51] <[nrx] > can anyone offer me some help with getting a webcam to work?
[09:51] <Major_Stitch> how can I update a program (f.e.Firefox 1.05 to 1.06) in ubuntu by using synaptic beacuse there are no new versions for the 6 months?
[09:51] <crimsun> Juhaz: I presume you understand why gcc-3.4 can't be bundled by default on the CD?
[09:52] <crimsun> [nrx] : have you checked the forum and mailing list archives?
[09:52] <crimsun> [nrx] : and barring that, Google?
[09:52] <LaserLine> it didn't...
[09:52] <eyequeue> i can't believe how painfully slow the mirrors are now.  22k/s :(
[09:52] <Syruss> use the torrents
[09:52] <crimsun> eyequeue: surely one of the mirrors is faster.
[09:52] <[nrx] > im not getting terribly far with any avenue
[09:52] <Syruss> far far faster
[09:53] <kYotiK> hey crimsun u think if i reinstall xfce it might fix my probs? or do u think its just a bug? i know xfce4 is pretty new, do you think that problem will just reoccur?
[09:53] <eyequeue> crimsun:  yeah, i'm installing new apps, wasn't sure i wanted to change mirrors for that (and wondered if they were all so slow now anyway)
[09:53] <crimsun> LaserLine: it did for me. I tested IBM's JREs and JDKs, Sun's JREs and JDKs, and Blackdown's JDK.
[09:53] <Juhaz> crimsun, because unfortunately cd's tend to have a limited size, but no, I don't really understand why the kernel couldn't be compiled with 3.3, then, I'm assuming there are perfectly good reason for that, but that doesn't make it any less convenient :)
[09:53] <brentdax> Major_Stitch: I'm not sure, but I think what you're asking for is the Backports repository.  Google for "Ubuntu backports".
[09:53] <eyequeue> crimsun:  defecting to another continent for now though :)
[09:54] <Major_Stitch> brentdax: thank you
[09:54] <crimsun> Juhaz: 3.4 is better than 3.3 for the kernel. We couldn't bundle 3.4 by default because our userland is completely 4.0.
[09:54] <crimsun> Juhaz: C++ libraries compiled with 4.0 are not compatible with ones compiled with 3.4.
[09:54] <Major_Stitch> brentdax: but do you know can I just download FF new version from their site and then install it in ubuntu?
[09:56] <jas_> Can anyone help me set up Samba server I got it running I just don't really know what I am doing with it..
[09:56] <joker667> hi, I am missing the documentation on ubuntu.com. I am I too dumb to find it, or did it disappear?
[09:56] <brentdax> You can, but the next time Ubuntu releases a Firefox bugfix it might clobber the version you have installed.  Stick to the prepared packages if you can.
[09:56] <NoWhereMan> I can't find out what's the kernel version in latest ubuntu
[09:56] <zcat[1] > (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
[09:56] <zcat[1] > But it's there in dmesg and lsmod :(
[09:56] <esc_ape> hello. I am trying to use the command "make deb" in the terminal, but it says that is not a known command. any ideas?
[09:56] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  2.6.12-9, iirc
[09:57] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  uname -r
[09:57] <jas_> joker667 : http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/helpcenter_view
[09:57] <kYotiK> crimsun:  this xubuntu-desktop is xfce4???  cuz i dont see that anywhere in its package description.. i dont really understand what xubuntu-desktop is..
[09:57] <NoWhereMan> eyequeue, thanx, still preparing to install
[09:57] <Major_Stitch> brentdax: so it would be wise to use programs from their repositories and install those that aren't there myself and update form their repositores?
[09:57] <jas_> joker667: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/documentation/helpcenter_view
[09:57] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  uname -r is for later then, heh
[09:57] <jas_> Can anyone help me set up Samba server I got it running I just don't really know what I am doing with it..
[09:57] <crimsun> kYotiK: xubuntu is a metapackage that depends on xfce4. It's the beginnings of a seed that we'll use for a Xubuntu 6.04
[09:58] <kYotiK> hmm
[09:58] <crimsun> xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, rather.
[09:58] <zcat[1] > anyone?
[09:58] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  2.6.12 with security patches backported, basically
[09:58] <GNULinuxer> nalioth: how do i get usplash to work? i installed it, but i don't see any splash screen
[09:58] <NoWhereMan> eyequeue I know; i asked because I need the sources to install the adsl modem driver (cxacru); no kernel sources on the cd,right
[09:58] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)
[09:58] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: then reboot
[09:58] <kYotiK> so its just a new fork of ubuntu that utilizes xfce instead of gnome / kde ?? much like kubuntu is to ubuntu?
[09:59] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  correct.  sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12 though will fetch the tarball, if you don't get it manually
[09:59] <brentdax> It's wise to use the official repositories plus backports if you need them, and it's usually okay to manually install programs that aren't in either of them.
[09:59] <crimsun> kYotiK: it's not a fork, just like Kubuntu and Edubuntu are not forks. They're sister projects.
[09:59] <sally_> can someone with breezy look at  espn.com front page and tell me if the line that says "Page 2" under the picture of the Houston guy in front is cut off halfway
[09:59] <eyequeue> crimsun:  is xubuntu-desktop ready for me to be recommending it yet?  or should i be waiting until dapper days?
[10:00] <crimsun> eyequeue: yes, it's quite ready.
[10:00] <NoWhereMan> eyequeue d'oh, that's bad :P I can't download the source if I don't have the modem installed, and I cn't get to install the modem without sources
[10:00] <zcat[1] > why is the gnome version not called gubuntu ?
[10:00] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  ouch
[10:00] <brentdax> esc_ape: What are you expecting `make deb` to do?
[10:00] <joker667> jas_, but I am missing the original doku, with the restricted formats page and so on.
[10:00] <crimsun> zcat[1] : because it's the original.
[10:00] <Juhaz> crimsun, makes sense, c++ is a bitch. but why include 3.3, then? it's just as incompatible with the rest of userland
[10:00] <saik0> Why would a samba server let me broswe it when i logon with a given username and not login to the domain with the login?
[10:00] <eyequeue> zcat[1] :  "ubuntu" came first, the others are later variants, so they had to tweak the names :)
[10:00] <NoWhereMan> eyequeue do you know of cxacru (conexant) in ubuntu? (don't think so...)
[10:00] <zcat[1] > why are my nvidia drivers not working?
[10:01] <crimsun> zcat[1] : did you follow wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[10:01] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  that's a winmodem driver?  i don't know of it, but i also would not be in tune with such things either, sorry
[10:01] <crimsun> Juhaz: backward compatibility with Warty and Hoary.
[10:01] <zcat[1] > I'll take a look
[10:01] <anthony> Crap... I installed xorg-driver-fglrx package and updated my xorg.conf file at the Driver section, changed it from ati to fglrx, now I try to revert the driver back to ati it doesn't work anymore...
[10:01] <crimsun> Juhaz: 18 months, remember?
[10:01] <NoWhereMan> eyequeue it's a usb adsl modem ehehe. I was able to make it work in mandriva 2005 :)
[10:01] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  adsl here before i got to ubuntu at all :/
[10:02] <anthony> Whenever I try to boot back into X my screen just went blank, tried dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg but no go.
[10:02] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: i have another strange problem. when i reboot, the laptop shuts down and tries to reboot, but never succeeds ... i don't see anything in the screen. it's blank
[10:02] <Juhaz> right. okay, I stand enlightened
[10:02] <esc_ape> brentdax: I am trying to install ndiswrapper following the howto found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto?highlight=%28SetupNdiswrapperHowto%29
[10:02] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  ah, mine is a simple ethernet-nic style adsl (fortunately)
[10:02] <jas_> Can anyone help me set up Samba server I got it running I just don't really know what I am doing with it..
[10:03] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: as in System> Logout> Reboot?
[10:03] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: that one, and just sudo reboot. both
[10:03] <saik0> could someone take a look at my smb.conf file and tell me why the comain controller is'nt working?
[10:03] <budluva_> i know this might not be the best place to ask but im trying to run Railroad Tycoon 2 in breezy and it installs fine and when i go to run the game i get this error...Couldn't initialize SDL: Couldn't open X11 display
[10:03] <budluva_> ......what is SDL?
[10:03] <NoWhereMan> eyrqueue: I see. So, if I want to dowload _now_ the sources so that I have them for later, do I have just to download 2.6.12 ? no mods? from where? kernel.org?
[10:04] <brentdax> esc_ape: Do you have build_essentials installed?  What's the exact error you're getting?
[10:04] <brentdax> (Excuse me, build-essential.)
[10:04] <eyequeue> lol, nl.archive is slower than us.archive heh
[10:04] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: interesting, I think it might be related to the POST_VIDEO option in /etc/default/acpi-support, but you'll want to check with mjg59, our ACPI guru.
[10:04] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: any ideas?
[10:04] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: okay. thanks
[10:04] <Major_Stitch> brentdax: Thank you very much for your help!! You helped a lot!
[10:05] <eyequeue> NoWhereMan:  yes, kernel.org or one of its many mirrors should have it ... burn the tarball to a cd i guess?
[10:05] <GNULinuxer> crimsun: when will he come online?
[10:05] <crimsun> GNULinuxer: then again, that's a _resume_ option and not a reboot one.
[10:05] <brentdax> Major_Stitch: np.