[21:44] <eagles0513875> x1250: i had compiz working before i borked my previous install
[21:45] <Clue_by_4> KDE is pretty sexy, but...its...i hate to say the word...bloated.
[21:45] <_max_> im having problems with the installer setting the partition table to GPT
[21:45] <x1250> what I REALLY miss about kde4 is the console integration with dolphin. I really think nautilus should have something like that
[21:45] <_max_> iv i enter console and use parted to change it the friggin installer changes it back to msdos
[21:45] <shadow420> too much much look anf feel of windows in my opinion
[21:45] <_max_> anyone know how to override the damn installer?
[21:45] <x1250> _max_: how is that?
[21:45] <Clue_by_4> shadow420 some people like that...dunno why.
[21:46] <eagles0513875> shadow420: true but u getting something much better than it and 2ndly when kde4 is out with a bang it will look more like mac osx
[21:46] <_max_> x1250 how is what?
[21:46] <Clue_by_4> shadow420 i left windows for a reason heh.
[21:46] <_max_> i have a 6tb drive, and msdos can only read 2tb
[21:46] <_max_> so i try to install 8.04 with GPT label, however there is no option in the installer to use any labels, it defaults to msdos
[21:46] <_max_> so before partitioning the disc i go in and change to gpt with parted.
[21:46] <x1250> Ah, well, I don't know
[21:46] <_max_> and its fine until i click [install]
[21:46] <_max_> the installer THEN changes teh friggin label to msdos again
[21:47] <shadow420> Clue_by_4 I still use windows but I want to keep linux and windows separated from each other
[21:47] <shadow420> _max_ go get a the gparted CD
[21:47] <shadow420> !gparted
[21:47] <ubotu> GParted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[21:47] <Clue_by_4> !gui
[21:47] <ubotu> The graphical user interface (GUI) in Ubuntu is composed of many elements, including the !X server, a window manager, and a desktop environment such as !GNOME or !KDE (which themselves use the !GTK and !Qt toolkits respectively)
[21:48]  * Clue_by_4 is just covering bases :)
[21:48] <shadow420> _max_ | !gparted
[21:48] <_max_> shadow520 , and do what?
[21:48] <x1250> lol
[21:48] <_max_> there is no way to convert a msdos label to gpt
[21:48] <_max_> since its a 512byte vs 32kb mbr
[21:48]  * Clue_by_4 debates on throwing a botabuse out there.
[21:49] <shadow420> _max_ GPT what the hell?
[21:49] <_max_> even if i change the label with a gparted cd (which i dont need) the ubuntu installer overrides it to msdos
[21:49] <Temp0> trying to boot 8.04 from CD to install on a HP ze4500 laptop. Are there any 'other options'I should add, since it seems never to get past loading gnome. TIA
[21:49] <Clue_by_4> omg, 1 hour of download...another 10 minutes of getting something so i can burn the iso.......im gonna be here a while :/
[21:49] <eagles0513875> ll
[21:49] <_max_> shadow420, i need gpt since the drive is 6tb
[21:49] <_max_> msdos only supports 2tb
[21:49]  * Clue_by_4 puts head in hands
[21:49] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: dont feel bad my isp is such crap that i end up taking bout 4 hrs to downlaod the iso
[21:50] <Clue_by_4> omg, thats...yeah..now i dont feel so bad!
[21:50] <Clue_by_4> are you on dialup?!
[21:50] <eagles0513875> fo rkubuntu and about another 2 hrs fora 230mb patch
[21:50] <x1250> lol
[21:50] <eagles0513875> no 2mb cable connection with monthly download limits and restricted speeds during the day
[21:50] <_max_> so question is, how do i override the damn installer from changing to msdos label in the last minute?
[21:50]  * Clue_by_4 does NOT miss dialup
[21:50] <Clue_by_4> eagles0513875: yeah, cox does that crap to me
[21:50] <eagles0513875> Clue_by_4: me neither back in teh states my parents got 5mb comcast connection
[21:50] <shadow420> eagles0513875 Clue_by_4 heh I am on DSL and it took me about 2 hours to download the Beta ISO of Hardy
[21:51] <x1250> _max_: try asking in debian, but dont say you're on ubuntu :)
[21:51] <eagles0513875> lol to me bout 4 5 hrs
[21:51] <Temp0> is there anything I cn specify in the 'other options' line to help me out?
[21:52] <keanu> x1250, dunno if you saw my last message: the only package that depends on libsdl1.2debian-* is libsdl1.2debian, in which case, wouldn't that mean that there wouldn't be a problem with switching the default of -alsa with -pulseaudio or -all?
[21:52] <_max_> x1250 its not a linux problem, its a -ubuntu- installer problem
[21:52] <_max_> its nothing to do with gparted , parted or whatever.
[21:52] <_max_> its the actuall installer
[21:52] <_max_> anyone tried the alternate cd? anyone know what options are given when partitioning the discs?
[21:52] <x1250> did you try the alternate iso?
[21:52] <_max_> no im downloading it now
[21:53] <eagles0513875> _max_: i have tried it its like the normal cd installer but txt based
[21:53] <eagles0513875> same options and everything
[21:53] <shadow420> _max_ why do you need so much room?
[21:53] <_max_> shadow420, is this relevant :)?
[21:54] <basso> anyone encountered problems with ubuntu 8.04 and firefox 3 beta 5 + flash videos = Crash
[21:54] <shadow420> _max_ not really just something that may help me figure out your problems
[21:54] <x1250> basso, thats a known issue
[21:54] <eagles0513875> basso: not i i would still report it to launchpad that way if someone has they can confirm the bug and get it worked out
[21:54] <Clue_by_4> basso, i think thats documented
[21:54] <eagles0513875> x1250: its been working for me
[21:55] <shadow420> basso I suggest you downgrade to FF2 if you are having problems
[21:55] <basso> okay okay take it easy :P
[21:55] <eagles0513875> lol
[21:55] <x1250> it does crash, but just not always... rather randomly
[21:55] <Clue_by_4> poor guy were bombarding em
[21:55] <x1250> with flash I mean
[21:55] <eagles0513875> what issue with ff3 that has me pissed of is hwo it doesnt know how to handel files by opening the appropriate program
[21:55] <basso> sometimes it works and sometimes it says bang
[21:56] <x1250> eagles0513875: like what filetype?
[21:56] <eagles0513875> x1250: ya if i dl a pdf for instance it brings up a dialogue box and no programs to choose from
[21:56] <eagles0513875> there is already a bugfiled and confirmed
[21:56] <basso> how is the powersaving feature working in 8.04?... My laptop is nearly burning my lap after i jumped from 7.10 to 8.04..
[21:57] <x1250> eagles0513875: it works for me...
[21:57] <eagles0513875> x1250: hummm interesting
[21:58] <eagles0513875> i might have borked it even on the previous install of beta it was doing the same thing
[21:58] <ffm__> I just updated to hardy, and the upgrade had to be canclelled while in progress due to a package not configuring properly. I ran dpkg-configure -a afterwards to see if I could fix the problem, and rebooted. Now, when I try to su in SUL mode, or when I try to login in multi-user mode, I get a "module is unknown" error.
[21:58] <ffm__> Any ideas?
[21:58] <basso> ahh yes.. When Compis Fusion is enabled and you want to watch videos the screen go black and you can do anything :O
[21:59] <basso> the same problem resides in KDE4 desktop effects aswell
[21:59] <basso> even VLC says bang
[21:59] <x1250> ffm__: did you try full-upgrading again?
[22:00] <ffm__> x1250, I couldn't, the option wasn't there anymore.
[22:00] <ffm__> x1250, And now that I am on hardy, I can't start a gui as root.
[22:00] <x1250> ffm__: no packages to upgrade?
[22:00] <ffm__> x1250, I've upgraded all my packages.
[22:00] <x1250> ok
[22:01] <x1250> entering to X from gdm as root?
[22:02] <x1250> ffm__: is root login enabled in system -> administration -> login window, tab security?
[22:04] <x1250> oh, just single user works.
[22:04] <ffm__> x1250, hardy segfalts when you try to start gnome-session in SUM.
[22:05] <Arand> !topic
[22:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[22:05] <ffm__> I think it has something to do with the PAM modules.
[22:05] <WaZ`> hey
[22:06] <Arand> has Hardy gone RC yet?
[22:06] <Arand> or is it still beta?
[22:06] <ffm__> x1250, When I log in on MUM (in the tty1), it authenticates me, tells me I have new mail, then doesn't start my shell and displays the Moudle is unknown erorr message.
[22:08] <x1250> ffm__: any broken packages?
[22:08] <ffm__> x1250, phpbb2-conf-mysql
[22:08] <ffm__> x1250, But like I said, I  inturrupted the upgrade process since that package was causing it to hang.
[22:08] <ffm__> and I reconfigured afterwards, though.
[22:11] <Ahmuck> i'm running kubuntu beta, and the soundsystem won't start
[22:11] <x1250> ffm__:  yeah, maybe pam related http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2001/06/msg03729.html
[22:13] <shadow420> bleh
[22:13] <Alan_M> wow.....am i lagged again or is it just that slow?
[22:13] <amikrop> How googleearth-package is used?
[22:14] <keanu> any reason why libsdl1.2debian-alsa is used in hardy instead of libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio?
[22:14] <x1250> amikrop: execute it in the same directory where the google installer is
[22:14] <amikrop> x1250: execute what?
[22:15] <amikrop> x1250: which is the command?
[22:15] <x1250> make[TAB] it should appear somewhere
[22:15] <Alan_M> amikrop: its usually chmod +x packagename then ./package....I believe...someone back me up?
[22:16] <ffm__> x1250, Uh, so how do I use "dpkg-reconfigure" for all the libpam-* packages?
[22:16] <shadow420> Alan_M you are right for that type of installation
[22:16] <JASONCO>  hi - im fiddling with hardy beta and i nstalled from the disk -- it looked great - my screen res was 1024x768, but when i did the updats -- it shifted to 800x600 and no options to change it bak
[22:17] <shadow420> JASONCO what type of card you have?
[22:17] <Alan_M> JASONCO: thats...a weird one...what kind.....bleh shadow all yours :)
[22:17] <x1250> ffm__: I guess reinstall them with dpkg
[22:17] <JASONCO> ummmmmm -- i dunno -- worked fine with the default install form the disk
[22:17] <shadow420> JASONCO what brand of Graphics card you have?
[22:17] <JASONCO> hang ont let me lspci
[22:18] <Alan_M> i know hardy likes intel 3945 chipsets finally :D
[22:18] <K4k-laptop> does anyone know how to get the gui interface that xmms had, onto xmms2
[22:18] <K4k-laptop> ?
[22:18] <JASONCO> geforce 2 mx400
[22:18] <shadow420> JASONCO ah you need to use the Nvidia Restricted Drivers
[22:19] <JASONCO> why ??? it worked fine from the installer disk b4 thte updates
[22:20] <shadow420> JASONCO trust me the computer works better using the Restricted Drivers it allows 3d acceleration and 2d acceleration
[22:20] <Alan_M> jasonco, have you ever used a alpha/beta release of ubuntu before? (just asking for my general curiosity...)
[22:20] <JASONCO> no
[22:21] <JASONCO> shadow420, im sure it does -- but i dont have the money to go buy the card right now to get the drivers
[22:21] <JASONCO> i was hoping it would just work
[22:21] <shadow420> JASONCO is the card in your CPU a Nvidia
[22:21] <JASONCO> thats what lspci claims
[22:21] <JASONCO> yes
[22:22] <Alan_M> JASONCO: Alpha/beta releases constantly go through updates, daily..if not hourly...something is usually always unstable, you got the short end of the stick.
[22:22] <JASONCO> Alan_m yes im familiar with beta software in general
[22:23] <ffm__> JASONCO, This is a beta OS.
[22:23] <shadow420> then I would suggest to go over to the Restricted Driver which is in the Restricted Drivers Manager
[22:23] <Alan_M> Jasonco, just making sure buddy.....not trying to insult you.
[22:23] <shadow420> JASONCO then I would suggest to go over to the Restricted Driver which is in the Restricted Drivers Manager
[22:23] <ffm__> JASONCO, We have _lots_ of nasty bugs and instabilities.
[22:23] <JASONCO> shadow420, i would, but i dont have the original disk for the card to extract the driver code from
[22:23] <JASONCO> ffm__, i appreciate that
[22:24] <shadow420> JASONCO you shouldn't need the disk
[22:24] <JASONCO> ok
[22:24] <JASONCO> im a bit lost then
[22:24] <shadow420> JASONCO what Desktop Enviroment are u usind?
[22:24] <JASONCO> how do i get the code for the driver if i dont extract it from the disk since its not allowed to be included in the package
[22:24] <JASONCO> gnome
[22:25] <shadow420> ok go to system/administration Restricted Drivers Manager
[22:25] <JASONCO> lemme switch systems
[22:27] <shadow420> JASONCO I am in Hardy with KDE but my current linux is Gutsy with Gnome
[22:27] <Alan_M> shadow, your dual booting?
[22:27] <shadow420> what is the configuration file for KDE
[22:28] <shadow420> Alan_M yea XP/Gutsy/Hardy(beta)
[22:28] <JASONCO> shadow420, i appreciate your time
[22:28] <shadow420> JASONCO not a problem
[22:28] <JASONCO> just fyi - -there is no such entry
[22:28] <shadow420> JASONCO | !nvidia
[22:29] <Alan_M> cool, ive got gutsy/hardy.....no windows....havent had a use for it since i found all alternate software in ubuntu :)
[22:29] <[Hardy]TuTUXG> sun finally fixed the god damn xcb locking problem
[22:29] <Alan_M> !nvidia | JASONCO
[22:29] <ubotu> JASONCO: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:29] <shadow420> Alan_M I keep windows around for other reasons
[22:30] <Alan_M> only thing i keep windows for is for like..fixing other peoples pc's (im an A+ technician)
[22:31] <shadow420> Alan basically why I keep windows around but I am not a A= Tech
[22:31] <shadow420> A+*
[22:31] <JASONCO> shadow -- would restricted drivers manager and hardware drivers be the smae thig?
[22:32] <derspankster> JASONCO: there is no restricted drivers tab in Hardy
[22:32] <derspankster> look in Hardware drivers
[22:32] <JASONCO> derspankster, yes - i found this out - someone told me to go there to solve a vdeo driver issue and im tryying to make sure of where im supposed to go
[22:32] <JASONCO> derspankster, thanks
[22:35] <bewst> Trying to install the fglrx 8-2 driver and getting some very odd errors (http://dpaste.com/45596/).  This looks like something broken in Hardy but I don't know what.
[22:35] <bewst> Actually I'm just building the packages.
[22:38] <JASONCO> shadow420, derspankster Alan_M and others thank you -- that resolved my issue
[22:38] <derspankster> JASONCO: good!
[22:39] <mehal88> I have a dual screen display set up through the virtual line in my xorg.conf file. I was wondering if theres a way to change which monitor linux uses as my default?
[22:39] <shadow420> JASONCO glad to be of help
[22:40] <shadow420> !KDE
[22:40] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[22:43] <shadow420> I need to disable composite how do I do that in KDE?
[22:43] <mc-george> hey guys, could some one help me set up my wireless internet, its a trendnet tew-444UB usb wifi card
[22:45] <derspankster> shadow420: sorry, I know nothing about KDE
[22:45] <shadow420> derspankster thats ok
[22:46] <Alan_M> i dont know enough about kde to help ya out either.
[22:46] <Alan_M> ive used it for a solid week..had nothing but trouble..so..yeah
[22:46] <Turski> shadow420: how did you enable it?
[22:47] <shadow420> Turski it came enabled by defaut
[22:47] <Turski> :O
[22:47] <Turski> well, look to kmenu -> system -> desktop effects
[22:47] <shadow420> Compiz is not installed
[22:48] <Turski> eh?
[22:48] <Turski> you shouldn't have any composite then
[22:49] <Joe_CoT> so my machine just got a huge spike in cpu temperature. It actually went up to 100C, and my machine shut off
[22:49] <Turski> haha
[22:50] <Turski> get better cooler :)
[22:50] <Joe_CoT> i restarted, and now it's stable at 52C. I also turned off AIGLX, so that might have helped
[22:50] <_max_> it seems the ubuntu 8.04 alternate doesn't have parted, so i can't change the label to GPT
[22:50] <_max_> has ANYONE installed ubuntu on a drive thats larger than 2tb?
[22:50] <_max_> iv spent 2 days solid on this now =( this is getting anoying
[22:50] <Turski> who even has that big drive :)
[22:50] <K4k-laptop> I'm having an issue that I think is related to nm-applet but I could be wrong. For some reason I can't access certain sites on the internet, I know the configuration in networkmanager is right because its the same as the other computer I'm using, but for some reason it's just not going to some sites, but it can go to google and others. I'm pretty sure this is a DNS issue, but resolv.conf says I'm good to go...what's up?
[22:50] <Joe_CoT> Turski, my point is that this never happened on other versions of Ubuntu. Intel GPU, core 2 duo scaled to 1ghz
[22:51] <_max_> Turski: im betting quite alot of ppl.
[22:51] <Joe_CoT> K4k-laptop, if you have a site in mind, try nslookup thatsite.com
[22:51] <K4k-laptop> ok will try
[22:51] <_max_> anyone know if there is a developer channel? im gona concider this a bug in the installer.
[22:51] <Joe_CoT> _max_, ubuntu-dev
[22:52] <K4k-laptop> Joe_CoT, what do I do with that infomration?
[22:52] <_max_> there is -no- way to force the installer to use gpt, it simply overwrites whatever you feed it with msdos label
[22:52] <K4k-laptop> just go to the IP?
[22:52] <Turski> report bug to launchpad
[22:52] <Joe_CoT> K4k-laptop, does it return an ip address for the site? Try doing it at http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php . Is the ip the same?
[22:52] <K4k-laptop> yes
[22:53] <K4k-laptop> but firefox doesn't resolve it
[22:53] <Joe_CoT> do you have any proxy settings set in firefox? do other browsers resolve them? what's firefox's error message
[22:53] <K4k-laptop> nope, I don't have any proxy settings
[22:53] <shadow420> Turski ok
[22:53] <K4k-laptop> Though the site seems valid, the browser was unable to establish a connection.
[22:53] <K4k-laptop>     * Could the site be temporarily unavailable? Try again later.
[22:53] <K4k-laptop>     * Are you unable to browse other sites?  Check the computer's network connection.
[22:53] <K4k-laptop>     * Is your computer or network protected by a firewall or proxy? Incorrect settings can interfere with Web browsi
[22:54] <Joe_CoT> K4k-laptop, try with another browser, like Epiphany or Konqueror. Do those also not resolve it?
[22:54] <scapor> How come the RC isn't uplloaded ?
[22:54] <shadow420> k4k-laptop | !pastebin
[22:54] <scapor> wasn't it planned for the 17th ?
[22:55] <K4k-laptop> shadow420, yea I know I thought it was short enough though
[22:55] <Joe_CoT> scapor, it was pushed back to friday. like it is every time
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin | K4k-laptop
[22:55] <ubotu> K4k-laptop: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[22:55] <shadow420> !hardy
[22:55] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:55] <Joe_CoT> thanks, i'm glad we all know what a pastebin is. anyway
[22:56] <scapor> Joe_CoT: do you have any idea around what time it usually happens (the uploads) ? ;)  I should dl it at uni tomorrow to do some crazy testing for the last week
[22:58] <Joe_CoT> scapor, i'm used to the afternoon (they /really/ stall on it), but it's really uncertain. Why don't you sign up for ubuntu-announce, and they'll tell you? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[22:58] <K4k-laptop> Joe_CoT, epiphany can't load it either
[22:58] <K4k-laptop> so it's definitely something in my settings
[22:58] <K4k-laptop> but...what
[22:58] <K4k-laptop> hmmm
[22:58] <Joe_CoT> try pinging the site. try wget-ing the site
[22:59] <K4k-laptop> i can ping it just fine
[22:59] <scapor> Joe_CoT: if it only where an RSS feed ... is there any need for reactions on teh announcements ?
[22:59] <K4k-laptop> o wait, Joe_CoT no I can't
[22:59] <K4k-laptop> it comes back, "Destination Port Unreachable"
[22:59] <K4k-laptop> hmmm
[22:59] <Joe_CoT> scapor, http://www.ubuntu.com/rss.xml
[23:00] <Joe_CoT> K4k-laptop, yeah, about that :D so it's not your browser
[23:00] <Joe_CoT> tracert thatsite.com ?
[23:00] <K4k-laptop> what is hardy's firewall program?
[23:00] <Joe_CoT> um
[23:00] <scapor> Joe_CoT: then again, there's too much updates on that feed ;) ...
[23:00] <Joe_CoT> scapor, but that'll work for finding out when it gets released -tomorrow-
[23:01] <K4k-laptop> traceroute goes straight to the site
[23:01] <K4k-laptop> but some sites work just fine
[23:01] <K4k-laptop> wtf
[23:02] <Joe_CoT> can you switch to another network?
[23:02] <K4k-laptop> no but i can change my IP
[23:02] <K4k-laptop> I'm on a static wire network
[23:02] <Joe_CoT> have a server to ssh to? use it as a socks proxy, see if it works then
[23:02] <K4k-laptop> no server to proxy to right now
[23:02] <shadow420> heh I am on a DHCP network
[23:03] <scapor> Joe_CoT: thanks for all the info.  I'm off now, bye all
[23:03] <K4k-laptop> I've been having issues with network manager all day so I'm sure it's that
[23:03] <shadow420> I don't need a proxy
[23:03] <Joe_CoT> hmm. so you can get dns, you can tracert, but you can't ping, and you can't browse
[23:04] <K4k_> that didn't work either
[23:05] <K4k_> I tried restarting the network interface with a new IP
[23:05] <K4k_> nothing
[23:05] <Prefix> http://www.petitiononline.com/vent4Lin/petition.html
[23:06] <k4k-laptop> why do you need vent on linux?
[23:06] <k4k-laptop> it's not like games work well
[23:06] <k4k-laptop> yes
[23:06] <k4k-laptop> yet*
[23:07] <Ahmuck> i need some help troubleshooting kmix
[23:07] <Ahmuck> and/or sound system on kubuntu hardy beta
[23:07] <Joe_CoT> k4k-laptop, given that i just threw a Linux LAN Party, i'd disagree. but i also see no reason for Vent
[23:13] <Joe_CoT> k4k-laptop, i'm about out of ideas. anything in sudo iptables --list ? anything in /etc/hosts{,.allow,.deny} ?
[23:14] <k4k-laptop> lemme see
[23:15] <k4k-laptop> http://pastebin.ca/988826
[23:15] <k4k-laptop> ^^ iptables
[23:15] <RyanPrior> 1 week until release!
[23:15] <shadow420> !gnome
[23:15] <k4k-laptop> and nothing unusual in hosts.allow/deny
[23:15] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[23:16] <Joe_CoT> k4k-laptop, i'm no ip tables expert, but that has a lot more than i have. is that possibly the problem?
[23:16] <RyanPrior> When will Intrepid be open? I'm ready to dist-upgrade.
[23:16] <nosrednaekim> RyanPrior: probably by May 5th
[23:16] <shadow420> what do I do to change from KDE to Gnome
[23:17] <rsk> shadow420: install it
[23:17] <rsk> shadow420: logut and change in gdm to select kde instead and login
[23:17] <k4k-laptop> Joe_CoT, figured it out
[23:17] <k4k-laptop> I forgot I had moblock running
[23:17] <k4k-laptop> ahahah
[23:17] <shadow420> rsk yeah install gnome and remove KDE
[23:17] <k4k-laptop> I'm sure that's the problem
[23:18] <Joe_CoT> yeah, figured it was something in there
[23:18] <RyanPrior> What is moblock?
[23:18] <k4k-laptop> it's a peer2peer filter
[23:18] <RyanPrior> Keep the nasty RIAA from spying on you?
[23:18] <k4k-laptop> more or less
[23:19] <k4k-laptop> I live on a college campus
[23:19] <k4k-laptop> it's that and other things
[23:19] <k4k-laptop> I just don't like people spying on me, even if they really aren't, it's peace of mind
[23:19] <ffm> Hi, the minimal iso netinstall freezes at "Please wait".. any idea why?
[23:20] <RyanPrior> ffm: Probably it wants you to wait.
[23:20] <k4k-laptop> hmmm...interesting, now my internet just flat out stopped working without moblock lol
[23:20] <k4k-laptop> wow
[23:20] <k4k-laptop> brb
[23:20] <ffm> RyanPrior, I understand that, but it stays that way for a while...
[23:20] <ffm> Oh, nevermind....
[23:21] <RyanPrior> ffm: Does the kernel boot?
[23:21] <ffm> RyanPrior, I just needed more patience.
[23:21] <RyanPrior> ffm: I hoped it would be that. :-)
[23:21] <ffm> In the future, what's a sane amount of time to wait for anything before assuming that it's screwed?
[23:21] <Joe_CoT> LOL, that's amazing. that RyanPrior was right, and not just being contrary
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> :)
[23:22] <ffm> RyanPrior, Yesterday, I cancelled my update to hardy after it had churned on updating a package for 30 minutes. And it was phpbb...
[23:22] <Joe_CoT> ffm, watch 3 episodes of star trek. if it still has the message, there's a problem
[23:22] <Joe_CoT> ffm, for a really slow machine, substitute star trek for all 7 Hellraiser movies
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> skipping the corney scenes or not?
[23:22] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[23:23] <RyanPrior> ffm: It really depends. I like to check on CPU usage, memory usage, and so on to see if maybe something is deadlocked.
[23:24] <RyanPrior> ffm: In the case of something like net booting where you don't really have external tools to diagnose the cause of the waiting, I'd just make a pot of coffee and run some errands, and assume that if it makes you wait for hours there's a bad problem.
[23:25] <RyanPrior> ffm: Awhile ago there was an X.org regression where it took my laptop 9 hours to boot to GDM, but I found that out by leaving it on for that long. :-)
[23:25] <corinth> Isn't the Hardy RC supposed to be released today?
[23:25] <Joe_CoT> corinth, moved to tomorrow
[23:26] <Joe_CoT> subscribe to ubuntu-announce if you want to find out when it's released
[23:26] <corinth> That's funny, heh. The openSUSE 11.0 beta1 was moved to tomorrow, too. :P
[23:27] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. some how.. Konqueror got removed when i updated....
[23:33] <ffm> Huh. There's an "xfix" option in SU mode even when X isn't installed
[23:35] <deadchip> how can i enable automatic updates?
[23:35] <ffm> What's the Single user mode menu that appears called?
[23:36] <Dr_willis> ffm,  xfix option?
[23:40] <Joe_CoT> deadchip, System -> administration -> Software Sources
[23:40] <Joe_CoT> you'll find what you're looking for on the Updates tab
[23:40] <deadchip> hmm there is no such item in administration
[23:41] <Joe_CoT> right-click on System, choose Edit Menus
[23:42] <Joe_CoT> Choose system->administration from the list at the left, put a check in Software Sources, close
[23:42] <deadchip> ah great, thanks
[23:42] <Joe_CoT> np
[23:43] <deadchip> hmm it deactivates itself again
[23:43] <deadchip> i guess i'm missing something installed
[23:43] <Joe_CoT> ok, that i can't explain :)
[23:44] <deadchip> very strange :)
[23:45] <deadchip> maybe i have to click fast enough on Close in the menu editor before it deactivates itself
[23:45] <deadchip> entertaintment computing
[23:45] <Joe_CoT> deadchip, try running: gksu --desktop /usr/share/applications/software-properties.desktop /usr/bin/software-properties-gtk
[23:45] <Joe_CoT> from a console
[23:46] <deadchip> yeah
[23:46] <Ahmuck> i need some help troubleshooting kmix
[23:46] <Ahmuck> and/or sound system on kubuntu hardy beta
[23:46] <deadchip> weird, it's there
[23:48] <Joe_CoT> Ahmuck, i hear ya, but I haven't touched KDE since Mandrake 7. Sorry
[23:56] <|EQYNoX|> hi
[23:57] <|EQYNoX|> is the RC already released ?
[23:57] <jbroome> |EQYNoX|: check the web site, or look in the /topic
[23:59] <|EQYNoX|> hm dont looks like :)


[13:14] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Hi Jeremy!
[13:14] <GunnarHj> To test my g-c-c proposal I updated the binaries built by gnome-desktop3 to version 3.27.90-1ubuntu1. However, I still have libgnome-desktop-3-12 3.26.2-1ubuntu1 too, and when I tried to remove it, apt suggested that I'd remove basically the whole desktop..
[13:14] <GunnarHj> Is that a problem, and if so, is it something you are aware of?
[13:17] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Should libgnome-desktop-3-17 provide libgnome-desktop-3-12 or something?
[13:57] <jbicha> no, we are in the middle of a gnome-desktop3 transition
[13:57] <jbicha> the new library is stuck in bionic-proposed, maybe it will migrate on Monday or Tuesday
[13:57] <jbicha> it's a bit tricky to downgrade packages like that (not officially supported)
[13:58] <jbicha> but if you're going to do it, try something like
[13:58] <jbicha> sudo apt install libgnome-desktop-3-12/bionic gnome-desktop3-data/bionic gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0/bionic
[13:59] <jbicha> an important part is that you get all the related packages together
[14:00] <jbicha> oh, I misread. Yeah, you won't be able to remove libgnome-desktop-3-12 until you get all the packages that are built against it (they are in bionic-proposed now)
[14:01] <jbicha> I don't support this PPA but you might be able to just add this PPA, upgrade and then remove the PPA (because I'll delete the PPA in a few weeks probably)
[14:01] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/tempgnomedesktop/+packages
[14:29] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Thanks for explaining! I'll won't add that PPA - don't want to get so deeply involved in the transition. Now I know that everything is under control, and that's why I asked. :)
[14:45] <jbicha> gnome-desktop3 was supposed to be an easy transition (see everything worked in the PPA) but it's ended up taking us several hours of work
[14:46] <jbicha> two MIRs need to be processed and some packages removed and the mesa transition to finish
[16:29] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Oops, sounds like I stumbled upon a can of worms.
[16:31] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Any thoughts from you on
[16:31] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/scrollbar_hide-more/+merge/339494 ?
[16:31] <GunnarHj> (Not asking you to sponsor - want to talk with Seb and/or Laney first.)


[14:53] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:54] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Hiya
[14:55] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around
[14:55] <genii-around> Probably here is better to discuss Canadian politics... ;)
[14:56] <genii-around> BluesKaj: Next to where I live is a voting station, so I'll be casting mine after i leave work tonight.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> genii-around, well, I like to educate americans that there real democracies in the world besides theirs :)
[14:57] <genii-around> Heh
[15:16] <bregma> I voted at an advanced pool because I'm out of the country for a couple of weeks
[15:17] <bregma> uh, an advanced poll -- the election pool is something else
[15:29] <BluesKaj> bregma, where you lacted ?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> located
[15:30] <genii-around> dscassel: Mornin' !
[15:31] <bregma> I'm in Budapest right now, getting ready for UDS
[15:31] <genii-around> Cool
[15:33] <BluesKaj> we were gonna book a trip the UK to visit our daughter , but she decided to return to Toronto before the "wedding" due to the cheap flights
[15:33] <bregma> polls at home close at 2:00 AM local time here, I won't know the exciting results of the election until I wake up tomorrow morning
[15:34] <BluesKaj> ok bregma , neat , and where do live when you're in Canada
[15:34] <dscassel> Morning, genii-around :)
[15:34] <bregma> I live in the bush a half hour outside of Perth, Ontario
[15:36] <dscassel> That's two ubuntu-ca people I know of at UDS. :D
[15:36] <dscassel> bregma: let us know how it goes. :)
[15:37] <BluesKaj> right bregma , I'm also close to the bush , a small town west of Sudbury called Espanola ...googe earth went thru here and photo'd the worst parts of the town.for the street view..really disappointing :(
[15:39] <BluesKaj> our mayor was really pi**ed :)
[15:40] <BluesKaj> UDS eh, I imagine there's gonna be some lively discussion over Unity vs Gnome as default on ubuntu 11.04
[15:41] <genii-around> dscassel: Incidentally I made a tarball of the pics my gf took at the party, somewhere around 56M, want me to send them anywhere?
[15:41]  * BluesKaj prefers KDE so I'm safe
[15:43] <BluesKaj> sort of
[15:43] <dscassel> genii-around: Yeah. If you could dump them on a webserver or something somewhere, that'd be great.
[15:45] <genii-around> I'll see what I can do
[15:46] <BluesKaj> !dropbox
[15:59] <BluesKaj> wish i could get the moto driver to work with my phone , but so far i can't seem to make it work...errors out .The phone is recognized, it just doesn't access the phones files
[16:00] <BluesKaj> no biggie tho the W7 pc dls the photos without a prob
[17:52]  * genii-around makes more delicious coffee
[18:16] <genii-around> !ping
[18:16] <genii-around> Hm
[18:37] <BluesKaj> oh so we have an exclusive #kubuntu-ca chat ...Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited ...oh my, must be special  :)
[18:42] <genii-around> Darned Californians!
[18:42] <BluesKaj> yeah . -LA would b better
[18:43] <BluesKaj> or lala :)
[19:03] <genii-around> BluesKaj: It forwards to this channel, apparently
[19:21] <IdleOne> part this channel and join #kubuntu-ca
[19:21] <IdleOne> yup
[19:27] <dscassel> Is there really so much Gnome chatter in here that we need to split? :)
[23:54] <genii-around> dscassel: Anything usable in that bunch of horrible pics? ;)
[23:57] <staticsafe> genii-around: mind sharing that tarball of photos?
[23:58] <genii-around> staticsafe: Give me a couple minutes