[12:16] <cntb> kazyua, bad bad boy whose system you borked ? university's?
[12:17] <cntb> PhinnFort> flyertanks: clickar on el blue fonto <<< haha perfect Spanglish
[12:17] <PhinnFort> :P
[12:17] <dorin> :-P
[12:17] <BluesKaj> !games
[12:17] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[12:17] <dorin> :-D
[12:30] <DaSkreech> netsplit :)
[12:31] <kazyua> cntb, no, my own
[12:32] <kazyua> cntb, do I need to do something with dpkg to repair it?
[12:32] <cntb> good I apologize. what did google say
[12:32] <Darkkish> how can you set the title of a Konsole window?
[12:39] <DaSkreech> kazyua: What error are you getting?
[12:39] <kazyua> apt-get install apt
[12:39] <kazyua> Reading package lists... Done
[12:39] <kazyua> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[12:40] <kazyua> that's it
[12:44] <rommel> Hello All!!!! :)
[12:44] <rommel> Questiion on VNC
[12:45] <rommel> I am able to VNC in to my Ubunto Client, Great... Now I want to VNC out to another Client
[12:45] <rommel> how can I do that?
[12:45] <kazyua> DaSkreech, any advice?
[12:46] <DaSkreech> kazyua: try an apt-get update
[12:46] <DaSkreech> rommel: Install VNC?
[12:46] <kazyua> tried
[12:46] <kazyua> it grabs the headers fine
[12:46] <kazyua> but apt-get upgrade segfaults
[12:46] <kazyua> dpkg --configure -a runs fine
[12:47] <TimotiST> kazyua: how many sources do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:47] <kazyua> 9
[12:48] <TimotiST> try commenting out about half of them, then try again
[12:49] <DaSkreech> kazyua: upgrade from the official repos only
[12:49] <DaSkreech> kazyua: and you can try a apt-get -f install as well
[12:49] <TimotiST> it happened about a week ago with my old laptop (16 megs of RAM)
[12:49] <kazyua> there's the issue
[12:49] <TimotiST> had to comment out 2 lines of 4 to make it work again
[12:50] <kazyua> there's another package referring to unrar, but I don't have unrar anyome
[12:50] <kazyua> anymore*
[12:50] <kazyua> and for some reason I can't dl it
[12:50] <rommel> Daskreech --> I want to be able to VNC out from Ubuntu to other clients (ubuntu or windows)
[12:50] <kazyua> so it must be in a repo I cmt'd
[12:50] <DaSkreech> rommel: Do you have VNC installed in Ubuntu?
[12:50] <kazyua> but if I uncmt the repo it'll fail again
[12:50] <kazyua> so
[12:50] <TimotiST> download the unrar package from the web and dpkg -i  ?
[12:51] <DaSkreech> rommel: and if you are using Gnome the question is better asked in #ubuntu
[12:51] <kazyua> just about to do that
[12:51] <DaSkreech> !unrar
[12:51] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[12:51] <DaSkreech> kazyua: ^^^
[12:52] <kazyua> yeah I'm dling the .deb and installing it now
[12:53] <rommel> how do I know if I am using Gnome?
[12:54] <TimotiST> rommel: how does your workplace look like? do you see a button labeled K, or one looking like a footprint?
[12:55] <rommel> when I go to the File Browser, It opens a Windows like Explorer and to the Right Upper Corner It has a foot print
[12:56] <DaSkreech> rommel: That's Gnome :)
[12:56] <kheremet> hi, i do have a recording problem (no input signal) with kubuntu and audiophile 2496 pci card. what should i do?
[12:57] <kheremet> output is okay.
[12:57] <rommel> which one is better to use?
[12:57] <DaSkreech> rommel: The one you feel more comfortable with
[12:57] <rommel> how do chang from one to another...I think I did it with out knowing!
[12:58] <DaSkreech> rommel: on the login screen you can choose
[12:58] <DaSkreech> Sessions -> Gnome or Sessions -> KDE
[12:58] <rommel> OK
[12:58] <rommel> now I remember
[12:59] <rommel> and in the one that is not Genome vnc works like I would like to?
[01:00] <DaSkreech> I guess :)
[01:00] <DaSkreech> Anyway I have to run
[01:00] <DaSkreech>  catch you all later
[01:00] <rommel> ok lets try
[01:00] <TimotiST> the vnc client (xvnc4client) works both in gnome and kde. even in xfce
[01:00] <rommel> Thanks
[01:00] <jorge82martinez> hola como estan todos
[01:00] <TimotiST> kheremet: you use alsa, right?
[01:01] <rommel> TimotiST and I will find that in Applications - Internet
[01:01] <TimotiST> if it's already installed, then you should find it
[01:01] <TimotiST> but i think the default ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu install won't install it
[01:02] <rommel> I install it in Add programs?
[01:02] <rommel> I will install it in add/remove programs right?
[01:02] <TimotiST> good question, i never install programs on a graphical interface, but that should be it
[01:04] <rommel> OK let me try a couple of things
[01:04] <rommel> Thanks TimotyST -->
[01:04] <premier_> hello, my compy has recently started to blank the screen and become unresponsive after a period of time.
[01:04] <kheremet> timotiST, hmmm... eh
[01:04] <rommel> how long have you been using linux?
[01:05] <TimotiST> a few years
[01:05] <premier_> rommel: me?  about 6 months
[01:05] <kheremet> ?
[01:05] <kheremet> 6 hours
[01:06] <rommel> ok
[01:06] <rommel> ok there is hope
[01:06] <rommel> let me try to switch
[01:06] <rommel> BRB
[01:07] <TimotiST> kheremet: you say it plays audio just fine, but the recording doesn't work, right?
[01:08] <kheremet> yep
[01:08] <TimotiST> can you open a console?
[01:08] <kheremet> i quess
[01:08] <kheremet> ok
[01:08] <TimotiST> okay, so run alsamixer
[01:09] <kheremet> TimotiST, hmm, could you explain, how?
[01:10] <TimotiST> you use KDE, right?
[01:10] <kheremet> Yes, what should  I write?
[01:11] <TimotiST> you have a console window open (either konsole, xterm or anything)?
[01:11] <kheremet> konsol is open
[01:11] <TimotiST> then type 'alsamixer<enter>'
[01:12] <kheremet> hah, abrakadabra
[01:12] <TimotiST> that should giwe you a nice view
[01:12] <TimotiST> you can play around with the sound level of the line input and stuff
[01:13] <TimotiST> see if it's on mute or not
[01:14] <TimotiST> you can exit with ESC
[01:15] <kheremet> all mic and input lines are off, how to change em
[01:16] <TimotiST> use the 'M' button to change the mute status
[01:16] <kheremet> ok, i'll try again to record something
[01:16] <TimotiST> and the cursor keys to change the levels
[01:16] <kheremet> thanks
[01:20] <phpcode> i cant copy files to one of my hdd (s-ata), i have tryed to do that as root. help?
[01:20] <jrick> could someone please tell me what packages I need to have installed to build a KDE application (besides build-essential)
[01:20] <dr_willis> phpcode,  what filesystem is the hdd's  in question?
[01:21] <phpcode> dr_willis: ntfs.
[01:21] <Darkkish> how do i get my audio back?
[01:21] <Darkkish> after another program stole it
[01:21] <Darkkish> and then i closed that program
[01:22] <dr_willis> writing to ntfs needs to be enabled.
[01:22] <dr_willis> !ntfs
[01:22] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:22] <dr_willis> !ntfs-3g
[01:22] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[01:23] <dr_willis> Thers also a tool i think that enabled it.
[01:25] <phpcode> dr_willis: ok. ill read and try that. and come back if it didnt help. :-)
[01:26] <Darkkish> how do i restart sound?
[01:27] <Darkkish> oh kill artsd
[01:29] <xeon> hello
[01:30] <LetoAtreides> Ok the bug I reported got rejected, yet it prevents me from using Kubuntu, and forces me to Recommend my end users NOT use it either (because they cant), but I levu Kubuntu....why oh why...
[01:30] <LetoAtreides> love*
[01:30] <rommel> TimotiST... It worked even though I think I am still using Gnome
[01:30] <xeon> i need a VM with windows. I have ubuntu 6.06 lts installed. can anyone help me pls?
[01:30] <dr_willis> LetoAtreides,  a bug got rejected?
[01:30] <rommel> TimotiST ... How did you say that I can Change it?
[01:31] <dr_willis> xeon,  i use vmware-server all the time.
[01:31] <xeon> dr_willis, where can i find it pls?
[01:31] <TimotiST> rommel: change KDE/Gnome? most likely at the login screen. if they are both installed, of course
[01:31] <dr_willis> !vmware
[01:31] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[01:31] <LetoAtreides> dr_willis: a bug that will not allow my app to run (when it runs on 10-20 other distros I tried, including the last Kubuntu version) and prevents me from compiling my app as well
[01:31] <dr_willis> xeon,  the vmware homepage. :)
[01:32] <rommel> ok
[01:32] <dr_willis> LetoAtreides,  and they consider it a bug in your program?
[01:33] <LetoAtreides> dr_willis: no T posted a hello world app that wouldnt even compile
[01:33] <LetoAtreides> I*
[01:33] <xeon> ubotu, dr_willis, thanks a lot!
[01:33] <LetoAtreides> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/118338
[01:34] <Darkkish> I just thought of a really cool beryl feature
[01:35] <LetoAtreides> dr_willis: the bug in my app happens when you move the window, it crashes X, even on the LiveCD!
[01:36] <LetoAtreides> Yet has NO ISSUE with any onther distro (I installed a couple more last night, and its ONLY Kubuntu
[01:39] <xeon> dr_willis, i 've downloaded the machine, i unziped it and double clicked on My_Virtual_Machine.vmx, but it opens a text full of code
[01:40] <AnyKey> what is a name of a good samba compatable backup program ?
[01:42] <phpcode> dr_willis: Thanks. it fixed the problem :-D
[01:43] <xeon> dr_willis, i 've downloaded the machine, i unziped it and double clicked on My_Virtual_Machine.vmx, but it opens a text full of code
[01:44] <xeon> what i have to do?
[01:45] <Darkkish> why is everything in the repository out of date?
[01:46] <Darkkish> Wine, Tunderbird
[01:46] <Darkkish> Firefox
[01:46] <Darkkish> maybe not firefox
[01:46] <Darkkish> but definately wine and thunderbirdf
[01:46] <kheremet> and ardour
[01:46] <AnyKey> /shrug
[01:49] <jrick> could someone please tell me what the package is called that contains all of the KDE and Qt development programs?  I have a program that i need to compile, but i need the qt development applications to do so.
[01:51] <TimotiST> Darkkish: which release?
[01:51] <Darkkish> 7.04
[01:52] <jrick> nvm, i think i found it.  The package is kde-devel.
[01:52] <kheremet> good night.
[01:53] <TimotiST> well, the packages were frozen a few months ago for release, so they aren't on the bleeding edge for sure
[01:53] <godvirus> how do i install g++ 4.2?
[01:54] <godvirus> i thought adept_installer would let me manage repositories
[01:54] <godvirus> but i dont see the option anymore
[01:54] <Darkkish> TimotiST: frozen?
[01:54] <Darkkish> godvirus: me too, it's gone.
[01:55] <jrick> godvirus: do you have the repository file that you need to add?
[01:55] <godvirus> darkkish: i think the options are still in adept manager
[01:55] <Darkkish> being able to manage repositories was one of my favorite things about adept
[01:55] <Darkkish> not really
[01:55] <Darkkish> it doesn't let you manage all of them it only lets you add new ones
[01:55] <jrick> if you do, and adept won't you let you edit it, try adding it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:55] <TimotiST> once they get ready to release the new release, they stay with the version up to date. that means sometime around 2007.03 in case of feisty
[01:56] <godvirus> hey its still there
[01:56] <BluesKaj> that's prolly bleeding edge godvirus ...prolly need to DL it from the dev site
[01:56] <TimotiST> and those packages are now 2 (maybe 3) months old for sure
[01:56] <godvirus> repo management is still in System->Adept Manager
[01:56] <BluesKaj> i just manage the sources.list ...easiest IMO
[01:57] <jrick> BluesKaj: not for new users
[01:57] <BluesKaj> jrick:  dunno trying to manage repos in adept is a PITA
[01:57] <Darkkish> but it's 2007.05
[01:58] <jrick> PITA?
[01:58] <jrick> oh
[01:58] <jrick> nvm
[01:58] <jrick> i get it
[01:58] <BluesKaj> pain in a**
[01:58] <TimotiST> that's the way ubuntu is. release every 6 months, but do a stable release
[01:59] <TimotiST> gentoo's portage follows the versions almost up-to-date, just sometimes brakes
[01:59] <TimotiST> breaks...
[02:00] <Darkkish> Man I just want a new, running version of Tunderbird and the latest version of Wine
[02:01] <khaije1> i'm looking for a sff box that i can use as a SAN NAS using ubuntu, anyone aware of a company selling something like that
[02:01] <khaije1> ?
[02:01] <TimotiST> well, you can always go with a testing release, those are brand new, just not always stable
[02:02] <khaije1> i need it somewhat quick so I'm looking to drop about 600$ for a box
[02:02] <BluesKaj> err SAN NAS ?
[02:04] <khaije1> BluesKaj: ya SAN/NAS, I would build the services, i just need a nice sff box with slots for HDD's and maybe hw raid
[02:04] <BluesKaj> have no idea what that is SAN NAS ?
[02:05] <TimotiST> NAS is pretty easy, either with samba or ftp, SAN can be tricky, especially with iSCSI
[02:05] <epimeth> ahoy lurkers!
[02:06] <BluesKaj> i have a small windows network setup, use samba smb4k ...works fine
[02:06] <epimeth> oooo... firefox update
[02:07] <epimeth> smb4k?  whassat?
[02:07] <BluesKaj> a samba browser
[02:07] <khaije1> TimotiST: I know, i was wondering if anyone could recommend any linux friendly hw vendors for this type of thing, just want it small, quiet, headless, and capable of running a server install of ubuntu
[02:07] <epimeth> meh... tried opera a few years back... just before they started with the advertisements on their free version... didn't like it much
[02:08] <epimeth> khaije1: IBM
[02:08] <epimeth> their servers are very ubuntu friendlyu
[02:08] <jrick> opera 9 is pretty nice, but i'm a konq guy myself (i like the kde intregration)
[02:08] <epimeth> at least in my experience
[02:08] <Komsip> opera is very sweet for one thing, renders pages real fast
[02:08] <khaije1> epimeth: any model names? this is for a dude (me) not an enterprise so sub 600$ is my range
[02:08] <Komsip> but that's pretty much all
[02:08] <BluesKaj> no ads , epimeth ...built in email and irc and torrent ...the torrent addon sucks but the rest of it is quite nice .
[02:09] <jrick> khtml is fast also (faster then gecko)
[02:09] <epimeth> ooh... no, I was talking about their small business servers, seriously doubt you'll find it for sub 600$
[02:09] <jrick> agreed on the opera torrent suckieness
[02:09] <epimeth> but you might find something good refurbished... check their site
[02:10] <epimeth> they've been linux friendly for a while now, so you shouldn't gave a problem
[02:10] <Komsip> is there any improvement in the rendering of pages in the next konq, it's my main browser?
[02:10] <epimeth> s/gave/have
[02:10] <khaije1> k, thanks epimeth
[02:10] <dr_willis> i got a NDAS hard drive enclosure just the other day :)
[02:10] <Komsip> i mean in kde 4
[02:11] <khaije1> dr_willis: whas ndas?
[02:11] <epimeth> Komsip: dunno... I'm a dolphin/firefox kinda guy
[02:11] <Komsip> dolphin?
[02:11] <cntb> itay
[02:11] <epimeth> Komsip: I hope they do add a lot of w3 standards support... they are very lacking at the moment
[02:11] <dr_willis> khaije1,  network direct attached storage. its a HD enclosure with a network Plug. :)
[02:11] <jrick> dolphin is the new default filemanager in kde4
[02:11] <cntb> itay come to ubuntu-il as well
[02:12] <epimeth> Komsip: yup... the 'real' kde file manager... konq is getting thrown out for kde4 in favor of dolphin
[02:12] <khaije1> dr_willis: oh right, do you prefere that to a sff headless NAS?
[02:12] <epimeth> install it and check it out... I really like it and I understand its going through a major overhaul for kde4
[02:12] <BluesKaj> is dolphin available for feisty?
[02:12] <jrick> epimeth: are you running the kde 3.5.x version of dolphin or the kde4 build?
[02:12] <epimeth> yup
[02:12] <epimeth> 3.5
[02:12] <BluesKaj> cool
[02:12] <epimeth> loving it
[02:12] <khaije1> khtml is being re-merged with the safari branches changes
[02:13] <dr_willis> khaije1,  it was rather trivial to get going. supposed to be faster.. I goofed today. I bought a new 500gb hd for it.. and frogot it was IDE, not sata. :) guess the sata drive goes in my other fileserver
[02:13] <jrick> does anyone know how to build the dolphin for kde4?
[02:13] <jrick> i want to run it
[02:13] <tin> is konq getting "thrown out", or just moved aside as the default directory viewer?
[02:13] <epimeth> jrick: I'm sure theres a howto... check out the site
[02:13] <epimeth> konq is being phased out I think...
[02:13] <jrick> epimeth: no it is staying for web browsing
[02:14] <jrick> that is it's primary focus on kde4 onwards
[02:14] <epimeth> it'll still be the default web browser, but everything else seems to be moving to dolphin
[02:14] <epimeth> smb, ftp, nfs
[02:14] <tin> and it's still good for media browsing with previews and metedata displays
[02:14] <intelikey> dr_willis sounds like you'll have to add a new mb so you can use the new drive  :)
[02:14] <epimeth> my only problem with it atm is context menus
[02:14] <Darkkish> hmm
[02:14] <Darkkish> odd wine.
[02:15] <Darkkish> hhm
[02:15] <Komsip> why would dolphin be default? I never heard of it until 5 mins ago, and i googled it, says it's gtk based??
[02:15] <epimeth> eg, ark isn't integrated
[02:15] <epimeth> its gtk based?  I didn't know that... all I know is that I like it and that I've heard from a number of sources that it's gonna be the file browser
[02:15] <jrick> Komsip: um no
[02:16] <khaije1> all this dolphin talk sounds ridiculous
[02:16] <jrick> for all you people who want to know about konqueror and dolphin: http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/
[02:16] <intelikey> dr_willis; and new cpu/s so you can use the new mb,  and new ram....     just tryin' to help...   :)
[02:17] <epimeth> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/17314/Dolphin-To-Become-Default-File-Manager-in-KDE-4/
[02:18] <intelikey> !info dolphin
[02:18] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[02:18] <jrick> intelikey: that's for kde3, right?
[02:18] <intelikey> i would think so.
[02:19] <jrick> if it was for kde4, that would be so sweet. i wouldn't have to mess with cmake.
[02:20] <epimeth> jrick: thats what happens when you use alpha distributions :-p
[02:20] <khaije1> dr_willis: what make ndas did you get?
[02:20] <intelikey> or alpha packages....
[02:20] <epimeth> meh... semantics....
[02:21] <intelikey> pedantics
[02:21] <intelikey> :)
[02:22] <epimeth> why is it that when I'm at work there's a million people asking for help, but now that I have time (and its afternoon in the states) nobody is yelling "help meeee!!!!"?
[02:22] <intelikey> hmmm....
[02:25] <intelikey> why would debian set the system requirements for etch at 64m ram with "no desktop" (i assume they mean no GUI)   and recommend  256 megabytes ram  ?     surely 64m is not minimum for running it.      installer needs that maybe?
[02:25] <Minataku> Funny
[02:25] <Minataku> I run Debian w/ desktop (jwm) on a machine with 80MB RAM
[02:25] <BluesKaj> epimeth: that's cuz its tvtime in america
[02:26] <Minataku> BTW: Recommendation != Absolute minimum
[02:26] <Minataku> Yeah, 8PM on east coast
[02:26] <intelikey> minimum on their page says       With Desktop  64 megabytes   512 megabytes      5 gigabyte
[02:26] <Minataku> 7, 6, 5, 4 and 3 going westward
[02:26] <epimeth> just cuz you can, doesn't mean you should.... I was running etch with 64 mb ram with kde and was cursing quite profusely
[02:26] <Minataku> intelikey: Minimum system requirements != Recommended system requirements
[02:26] <intelikey> the 512 is reccomneded.   as is the   256 on the first post.
[02:27] <tin> and then there are those sweet timezones in the US that don't follow daylight savings and the other ones on the half hours
[02:27] <Minataku> epimeth: Well duh, you were using KDE
[02:27] <Minataku> Don't use something so stupid
[02:27] <intelikey> Minataku would you like a url ?
[02:27] <Minataku> tin: No such
[02:27] <Minataku> There are some states/cities that don't honor DST
[02:27] <Minataku> There are NO :30 zones in the USA
[02:27] <epimeth> lol
[02:28] <epimeth> Minataku: but I love KDE :-
[02:28] <epimeth> :-(
[02:28] <Minataku> epimeth: You'll never get KDE working comfortably in less than 512MB
[02:28] <Minataku> And that was 4 years ago
[02:28] <epimeth> I used to... grumble... something about advanced technology... grumble
[02:29] <intelikey> Minataku http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en#id2532353 <<< so am i reading that incorrectly ?    are they not saying it can't work with less than 64m ram    with or without a gui ?
[02:30] <michael__> omg konversation is sooo screwed over
[02:30] <epimeth> intelikey: "The actual minimum memory requirements are a lot less then the numbers listed in this table"
[02:30] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: it says right below the table that you can do less than 20M
[02:30] <Minataku> intelikey: You're reading it incorrectly
[02:31] <Minataku> LeeJunFan: 48MB for i386
[02:31] <Minataku> 20MB only on IBM S390
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[02:31] <epimeth> like I said... I'm running etch with 64mb ram... forget X, just sshing takes a few seconds to connect
[02:32] <michael__> okay , when konversation starts, you know how it has that auto join box
[02:32] <michael__> that shows servers/channels
[02:32] <michael__> well the buttons on that are not there
[02:32] <michael__> so i cant close it
[02:32] <michael__> and i tried removing it and reinstalling and dpkg-configure, and it still shows my autojoin channels
[02:32] <Minataku> michael__: What resolution are you running in?
[02:32] <michael__> the same as I was before
[02:32] <michael__> when it worked fine
[02:33] <michael__> i just rebootd and some odd things happeend
[02:33] <michael__> that, and my knetworkmanager didnt show up
[02:33] <michael__> but i was able to do iwconfig eth1 essid linksys
[02:33] <Billiard> hey ive been using devede to convert my vids to dvd's, but it takes REALLY long. is that the best/fastest program for makin dvd's?
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> crap, I've got dapper running on 64M 486 WRAP boards as access points, of course I installed the image with debootstrap
[02:34] <intelikey> well dapper running here....   Mem usage: 14/249 MB (5%)
[02:35] <intelikey> so i'm assuming the installer is the reason for high minimums.
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> I'd assume the same.
[02:36] <LeeJunFan> since it would be using ramdisks during setup, etc.
[02:38] <intelikey> yeah but 32m should be do_able   run the system in 16 have 16 for the installer...   text based installers "can" be tight shoed
[02:39] <Minataku> intelikey: Eh
[02:39] <Minataku> It COULD be
[02:39] <TimotiST> i ran etch on a p1-100 16ram box... :)
[02:39] <Minataku> But for RAM-heavy operations like unpacking junk and whatnot
[02:40] <intelikey> i just hate bloat.     and what is the purpose of making a chart that "lies" to people anyway ?
[02:40] <Minataku> Plus the fact that the kernel, kernel modules, and other stuff has to fit too
[02:40] <Minataku> 2.6 series kernels are fairly large
[02:40] <Minataku> And installer kernels are stupid large
[02:41] <intelikey> yeah they are bloated.
[02:41] <Minataku> Not bloated
[02:41] <Minataku> The kernel is hardly bloated
[02:41] <Minataku> It's just got a lot that it supports and can do
[02:41] <Minataku> As for installer kernels, they pretty much have to support EVERYTHING
[02:42] <dwbell> speaking of large kernels, has anyone here compiled their own for kubuntu?
[02:42] <intelikey> swelled up till the skin is about to bust, bloated.   compair knoppix and see.
[02:42] <intelikey> dwbell yes
[02:42] <aroo> dwbell, yea
[02:42] <TimotiST> most installer kernels have stuff in modules -> less memory use
[02:42] <Minataku> Only for Gentoo
[02:42] <intelikey> dwbell 2.6 and  2.4
[02:42] <Minataku> TimotiST: Right
[02:43] <Minataku> But the modules still have to be loaded
[02:43] <dwbell> what advantages? speed increase / smaller footprint?
[02:43] <Minataku> dwbell: Of course
[02:43] <TimotiST> but just what you need
[02:43] <Minataku> You tighten things up at the core at you increase the core performace
[02:43] <[4K^Javax] > nn
[02:44] <Minataku> Plus you don't have to probe EVERY POSSIBLE DEVICE on each boot
[02:44] <[4K^Javax] > fucking amsging my queries
[02:44] <Minataku> Since you can just compile in what you need
[02:44] <Minataku> !language
[02:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:44] <dwbell> I have a new machine coming, and it would be nice to set up right from the start
[02:44] <Minataku> dwbell: Use Gentoo instead then
[02:44] <Minataku> No question
[02:45] <Minataku> It's a bit more difficult, but everything is compiled to precisely your specifications
[02:45] <dwbell> Minataku: Ah but I have a job and a family, I'd love to try gentoo but don't have the time!
[02:45] <Minataku> You don't like Y? Tell Portage and it doesn't use Y.
[02:45] <Minataku> dwbell: It doesn't take long to set up at all
[02:45] <Minataku> Maybe an hour for the initial setup
[02:46] <Minataku> After that you set the ball rolling and you can knock off
[02:46] <Minataku> After THAT, you can use while compiling
[02:46] <Minataku> In fact, having little time makes it BETTER to use, since you can have it working away while you're not
[02:47] <Ace2016> Minataku: thats what i thought, but say you need a particular app asap then you have to wait for it to compiled, and that sucked, and there may be deps too
[02:48] <Minataku> Ace2016: Less deps, though
[02:48] <Minataku> As for that, you CAN get binary packages
[02:48] <Ace2016> really?
[02:48] <Minataku> I dunno where from
[02:48] <Ace2016> never knew you could get binary stuff
[02:48] <Minataku> But yeah, I believe there ARE sources for binary packageds
[02:48] <Minataku> Portage is very versatile
[02:48] <intelikey> why not build dpkg and apt in portage and use .deb's ?
[02:48] <dr_willis> i recall seeing  gentoo binary packages aswell
[02:48] <dr_willis> but then the next update seems to recompule 1/2 the system :)
[02:49] <Minataku> intelikey: Because that's farking retarded
[02:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh, I'd only use them in Ace2016's case
[02:49] <intelikey> Minataku speeded up is slowed down ???
[02:49] <Minataku> Then as soon as I had the bin package, start the compile
[02:49] <Minataku> intelikey: ?????
[02:49] <Minataku> dr_willis: Sorry I haven't been around
[02:50] <dr_willis> neither have i
[02:50] <dr_willis> been doing all this other stuff.
[02:50] <dwbell> Minataku: I'll at least look into gentoo, I've got a couple weeks till the parts are all here
[02:50] <dr_willis> &@&$@!0 wife is driving me crazy
[02:50] <knapp> No sound on reboot. What is the first course of action?
[02:50] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:50] <Minataku> dwbell: Coo
[02:50] <Minataku> dr_willis: Heh
[02:50] <Minataku> knapp: Cry and swear
[02:50] <dr_willis> I need to find a site of "songs" that are whistling. for her *#&*@& birds to listen to. She lost her downloads somewhere.
[02:51] <dr_willis> :)
[02:51] <Minataku> dr_willis: ...
[02:51] <dr_willis> She alwahs has to have somthing to keep her busy it seems. and it always makes more work for me
[02:51] <intelikey> Minataku the question was about needing a package "right now!"   and one could build dpkg and apt in advance, anticipating such a thing.  then if it happened use a .deb and go...     that's retarded (slowed down) in what way ?
[02:51] <Minataku> intelikey: Mixing package managers is incredibly stupid
[02:52] <Minataku> Same like mixing packages from incompatible repositories/distributions
[02:52] <dwbell> Minataku: where would you recommend someone new start with gentoo ie. stageX install?
[02:52] <knapp> minataku, and after that?
[02:52] <dr_willis> I find gentoo hard to reccomend for someone 'new' at all.
[02:52] <Minataku> dwbell: Stage 3 is all that's supported by the handbook now
[02:52] <Ace2016> intelikey: well i guess one could have a debian sid chroot somewhere and use that for stuff
[02:52] <dwbell> dr_willis: not new to linux, just gentoo
[02:52] <Minataku> dwbell: So use that then just let it recompile everything
[02:52] <intelikey> dr_willis i find it hard to reccomend
[02:53] <dr_willis> I dident ever see much point in stage 1 or 2 at all..
[02:53] <Soth> that's because there wasn't one heh
[02:53] <Minataku> Yeah there was
[02:53] <Minataku> Stage 2 not so much
[02:53] <Minataku> Stage 3 pisses me off because it loads you up with precompiled cruft
[02:54] <Minataku> Stage 1 was great because it was absolutely minimal
[02:54] <Minataku> So it was a nice, small, fast download and you didn't have a buttload of crap
[02:54] <intelikey> "absolutely minimal"   hmmmm
[02:54] <dr_willis> and what did you really gain?
[02:54] <dr_willis> download time vs compile time?
[02:54] <Soth> starting at stage 1 built the exact same thing that's in a stage 3 tarball...
[02:54] <Minataku> dr_willis: Download time
[02:55] <Minataku> I recompiled everything from Stage 3 anyway
[02:55] <dr_willis> from what i recall.. seemed like everything got recompiled once a month anyway
[02:55] <Minataku> Because I didn't want packages built with -O0 for a 386
[02:55] <Minataku> dr_willis: I haven't done a world update in... a year now, I think
[02:56] <Minataku> You don't HAVE to update everything monthly or anything
[02:56] <intelikey> you don't have to update ubuntu either....
[02:56] <Ace2016> Minataku: yes you do, what about security
[02:56] <knapp> Is there a command to restart sound w/o rebooting?
[02:56] <Minataku> Ace2016: Update security packages alone
[02:56] <Ace2016> knapp: whats wrong with sound?
[02:57] <intelikey> knapp in the menu sound system > restart sound server
[02:57] <Minataku> Or if there are absolutely critical issues, update those apps individually
[02:57] <knapp> I rebooted and now I have no sound. Mute isn't on, volume is max
[02:57] <Minataku> knapp: Check the mixer settings
[02:57] <Minataku> The card may be muted
[02:57] <Ace2016> knapp: tried restarting again? did you update any packages?
[02:57] <Minataku> I know mine is always like that on reboot
[02:58] <knapp> I did reboot again
[02:58] <Minataku> I have to start nmixer (you'll probably have alsamixer) and turn the card volume up
[02:58] <knapp> I might have upgraded some packages. I did install rrooted.
[02:58] <youssef> Hi, after downloading updates for feisty I have troubles running Adept manager, it says that another process is using the packaging system db, even if there isn't any !!
[02:58] <knapp> I ran alsamixer and it looks fine
[02:58] <Minataku> Check the cables
[02:59] <knapp> done
[02:59] <intelikey> !adeptcrashfix | youssef
[02:59] <ubotu> youssef: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:59] <knapp> The reason I had to reboot is the computer froze when I tried to run rrooted.
[02:59] <Ace2016> intelikey: wouldn't rebooting fix the lockup?
[03:00] <intelikey> Ace2016 why should it ?    reboot is not the fix all in linux.   that's M$ mentality
[03:00] <Ace2016> intelikey: well won't it stop whatever app is locking the system?
[03:01] <Minataku> Adept uses a lockfile
[03:01] <intelikey> Ace2016 it's probably not an app.
[03:01] <Minataku> Unless Kubuntu cleans them all out at boot
[03:01] <Minataku> Rebooting will NEVER fix it
[03:01] <Minataku> The lockfile is there in case the program crashes
[03:01] <intelikey> Ace2016 the fuser section was just incase there actually is a process running.
[03:02] <Minataku> In which case it can't be started again without corrective maintenance
[03:02] <Ace2016> intelikey: oh ok, i was wondering what would happen if both processes tried to mess with dpkg
[03:02] <Minataku> It's like a flag that says "Something broke last time" while also acting as a convienent way of letting any other programs know that it's running
[03:02] <Minataku> Including other attempted instances of itself
 The lockfile is there in case the program crashes <<< well to some minor degree i suppose.  but more for preventing two instances of the app running at one time.
[03:03] <Minataku> intelikey: Right, but I was talking about why it will still be there after a crash or reboot
[03:03] <xGrantx> uh
[03:03] <Minataku> True, that is the secondary purpose, the primary being to prevent two instances at one time
[03:03] <xGrantx> how am I supposed to mount an SFS format hard drive?
[03:03] <Minataku> SFS?
[03:03] <dr_willis> sfs??
[03:04] <dr_willis> Sfs!??
[03:04] <dr_willis> :)
[03:04] <intelikey> brb.
[03:04] <xGrantx> that's what it says
[03:04] <xGrantx> really
[03:04] <Minataku> xGrantx: Prove it
[03:04] <dr_willis> and where did this come from?
[03:04] <dr_willis> fdisk -l gives what about the drive?
[03:04] <xGrantx> Windows formatted it
[03:04] <Billiard> hey my friend wants to use kubuntu but he has dial up, would it be pretty hard to setup the dialup modem?
[03:04] <xGrantx> with it's drive manager or something
[03:04] <dr_willis> vista?
[03:04] <xGrantx> no XP
[03:04] <Minataku> Windows can barely format NTFS
[03:04] <Minataku> :P
[03:04] <xGrantx> I know...
[03:04] <dr_willis> Cant recall ever hearing of SFS partitions befor
[03:05] <Minataku> There's no such thing
[03:05] <xGrantx> yea it doesn't show up on google
[03:05] <dr_willis> Billiard,  if the modem can work in Linux. it dhsouldent be too hard
[03:05] <xGrantx> but under system it says "SFS"
[03:05] <Minataku> xGrantx: You either have an error or you screwed something up
[03:05] <dr_willis> actually - i seem tor ecall that NTFS comehow got showned as sfs befor
[03:05] <dr_willis> try 'fdisk -l'
[03:05] <Minataku> xGrantx: Type "sudo file -zrks /dev/<name of filesystem device>"
[03:06] <Minataku> Like if it's Parition 1 on IDE channel 0, Secondary; /dev/hdb1
[03:06] <xGrantx> it's a SATA HD
[03:06] <Minataku> Then it'll be /dev/sdxn
[03:06] <xGrantx> yea it's sda
[03:06] <Minataku> Where x is the letter of the drive and n the partition number
[03:07] <Minataku> Then paste it here if it's less than 2 lines
[03:07] <xGrantx>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[03:07] <xGrantx> /dev/sda1               1      620181   312571192+  42  SFS
[03:07] <xGrantx> ugh
[03:08] <Minataku> xGrantx: Type "sudo file -zrks /dev/sda1"
[03:08] <xGrantx> what does that do?
[03:08] <Minataku> It should tell us what it really is
[03:08] <xGrantx> oh ok
[03:08] <xGrantx> because I can't format it atm
[03:08] <xGrantx> it has data on it
[03:08] <intelikey> back
[03:09] <Minataku> file(1) can be used either on regular files or block devices to attempt to determine what it is
[03:09] <dr_willis> 42 SFS The Id is the key: partition type 42 indicates that your Windows partition is a dynamic disk. 42 used to be the identifier for the (now obsolete?) Secure FileSytem, which is why fdisk is identifying the partition as SFS. You will need to convert the Dynamic disk into a Basic disk before any bootloader will recognize it.  I got an error 17 on my dual windows / ubuntu box ... I have a live ubuntu up running ... how do I fix it
[03:11] <Minataku> Damn that no swearing rule, too
[03:11] <Minataku> BenPA: I assume you mean GRUB Error 17
[03:11] <BenPA> yes
[03:12] <Minataku> BenPA: You know, Google typically will help in these situations
[03:12] <intelikey> side note on the preceeding.   partition type has no actual barring on the file system type.   but will affect some boot loaders as well as some os mounting of the fs.
[03:12] <xGrantx> how do I format an HD into FAT32 on linux?
[03:12] <dr_willis> mkfs.vfat
[03:12] <dr_willis> i think
[03:12] <Minataku> intelikey: Except this SFS crap is probably an encrypted volume in a proprietary setup
[03:12] <BenPA>  I got an error grub 17 on my dual windows / ubuntu box ... I have a live ubuntu up running ... how do I attempt to fix it .. I tried grub-install  .. I have no /bot/grub/menu.lst .. I entered fdisk -| got a prompt but not sure what to do
[03:12] <Minataku> I think mkdosfs does it too
[03:12] <dr_willis> I was thinkign sfs was just MS misstagging a filesystem when it made it
[03:13] <xGrantx> dr_willis: yea I could see Windows doing that
[03:13] <Minataku> BenPA: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html
[03:13] <Minataku> No offense, but please use Google whenever you can
[03:13] <intelikey> Minataku yes probably   but could have been over writen,  one can not tell by simply looking at the partition table.     that's all i was saying.
[03:14] <xGrantx> ok, thanks for the help
[03:14] <xGrantx> gotta reboot
[03:14] <Minataku> xGrantx: nop
[03:14] <Minataku> *np
[03:15] <BenPA> minataku I already tried and read that
[03:15] <intelikey> oooops.   isp reset.
[03:16] <Minataku> BenPA: Sorry then
[03:16] <BenPA> I did a fixmbr with a windoze disc and it now boots but I cannot get to my kubuntu partition
[03:16] <Minataku> Try this one, perhaps
[03:16] <Minataku> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html
[03:16] <intelikey> !grub | BenPA
[03:16] <ubotu> BenPA: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[03:16] <Minataku> BenPA: fixmbr? You've probably trashed GRUB
[03:18] <dr_willis> well overwrote grub. :)
[03:19] <intelikey> symantic pedantic dislexic romantic....
[03:19] <intelikey> what ever.
[03:28] <emilio> In the instalation, the others options of partitioning should appear in gray... I pressed Use the whole disk hda but it didn't change to that option and did a resize of the sda
[03:29] <khaije1> anyone here have any experience w/ the kernel virtualization machine, or xen ?
[03:31] <BigMac> ANyone know of a way to make catapult open in another browser besides Konqueror?
[03:32] <Billiard> did u set the default browser
[03:34] <BigMac> yes
[03:34] <BigMac> katapult
[03:40] <intelikey> oooops   WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[03:40] <intelikey> khaije1 i don't but what's the issue ?
[03:43] <jtt> when i run adept i get an update list  anyone know what command adept uses to get that list of updates I want to get that list and put it in a file
[03:43] <intelikey> BigMac have you made any headway on the " katapult " question ?
[03:44] <intelikey> jtt you can   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > list      and press the n key then enter.   or ctrl+c
[03:45] <jtt> intelikey, thanks a lot
[03:45] <khaije1> intelikey: i'm very interested in the technologies and was wondering about a comparison between the two w/ as much detail as possible, inc. anecdotal experiences
[03:46] <khaije1> intelikey: they both seem very strong and i'm surprised i don't hear more about them, for my next machine i'm experimenting w/ the idea of virtualizing large parts of it
[03:46] <intelikey> khaije1 well,  i would be as useless as the tits on a boar hog    so i'll just leave that alone.
[03:46] <khaije1> uhm... ?
[03:48] <zblach> hey all. quick question: when I try to add a printer through system settings, it just locks up. is there a way around this?
[03:48] <BigMac> intelikey: No I haven't, do you have any suggestions?
[03:49] <intelikey> BigMac maybe.     ls -l /usr/bin/x-www-browser     see what it's aimed at.
[03:50] <intelikey> BigMac i'm not sure kde recognizes that    but it may.   if it does you can point that at what you want to open.
[03:50] <BigMac> it outputted a line, mind if I pm you it?
[03:51] <intelikey> zblach yeah.     web-browser   go to   <IP_ADDRESS>:631
[03:51] <intelikey> BigMac sure.
[03:51] <zblach> intelikey: times out
[03:51] <zblach> no firewall either
[03:52] <intelikey> BigMac only the last "word" of that output is important...   so follow the link to it's end point.   ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[03:52] <intelikey> zblach you have cupsys installed ?        and is it running ?
[03:53] <zblach> cupsys is installed
[03:53] <zblach> and cupsd is running
[03:53] <zblach> but till, timeout
[03:53] <intelikey> zblach not running dapper are you ?
[03:53] <zblach> feisty
[03:55] <intelikey> zblach well i honestly hope not, but that sounds just like the bug in dapper.   someone keeps re-introducing the same bug back into the packages.   was in hoary, was fixed in breezy, reappeared in dapper in an update of all things.   and i quit tracking it...   but that's exactly what it would do.
[03:56] <zblach> intelikey: what did you do for a fix in the end?
[03:56] <intelikey> i haven't.
[03:56] <zblach> hrm
[03:57] <zblach> any clue as to where I should look next?
[03:57] <zblach> get the sources and recompile?
[03:58] <BigMac> intelikey: what about that?
[03:58] <intelikey> zblach but you can check if there have been any updates of   cupsys foomatic-db* or gutenprint*     if so try them.  or try the older version and see if it's there also.
[03:59] <intelikey> one can regress a version if needed.
[04:00] <intelikey> BigMac yes that's it.    try  sudo update-alternatives x-www-browser config        i think that's the command.
[04:00] <zblach> i see no updates
[04:00] <zblach> and i don't think there's been an update since the feisty release
[04:01] <intelikey> zblach you can try the source.  i make no promices about it though.
[04:01] <zblach> ok
[04:01] <zblach> sure
[04:03] <BigMac> intelikey: nah, not the command
[04:03] <intelikey> man update-alternatives
[04:04] <intelikey> or jsut edit the symlink...  that's what i do.
[04:04] <BigMac> how do I do the latter?
[04:05] <intelikey> sudo rm /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser ;ln -s /usr/bin/<firefox> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser      (note that <firefox> is example only and would need to be an actual filename.  without <>
[04:05] <intelikey> ooops  sudo the ln  also.
[04:07] <Joxam> Hello, cats.
[04:07] <Joxam> I need some help
[04:07] <Joxam> I have FF, and i need to configure something
[04:07] <Joxam> but I forget how.
[04:07] <Joxam> I have a tv tuner card, and it is registering as an 'unknown device'
[04:07] <Joxam> I got it to work before
[04:07] <Joxam> but forgot where I changed something
[04:08] <Joxam> all I need to do is change it from 0 = Unknown device to 4 which equals my card
[04:09] <Joxam> So...
[04:09] <Joxam> No one.
[04:09] <Joxam> hmm.
[04:09] <intelikey> Joxam any of these addresses sound right ?   /etc/modprobe.d/    /etc/X11/xorg.conf    /etc/udev/   ?
[04:09] <Joxam> No no.
[04:09] <Joxam> It was somehting I had to change in console
[04:09] <Joxam> and option
[04:10] <Joxam> like, just have it change from 0 to 4
[04:10] <Joxam> I have a tv wonder pro
[04:10] <Joxam> and that is 4
[04:10] <Joxam> on the list
[04:10] <Joxam> of cards
[04:10] <Joxam> SOrry, I'll stop typing like that.
[04:10] <Joxam> I just hit enter a lot when I'm thinking fast.
[04:10] <zblach> intelikey: compiled from source. built, installed, and still nothing
[04:10] <intelikey> Joxam not in  /proc/   was it ?
[04:10] <zblach> i'll bug the cups dudes about it
[04:11] <intelikey> zblach good luck with it.
[04:11] <zblach> thanks
[04:11] <zblach> if i make any headway, want me to tell you about it?
[04:11] <intelikey> yes
[04:13] <intelikey> Joxam one other place comes to mind,   /boot/config*     but that would only be if you are rebuilding the kernel to support it.
[04:13] <Billiard> hey in what folder can i find "Microsoft Windows PostScript drivers from a Windows 2000 or higher system"
[04:14] <intelikey> Billiard one question,   why ?      but at any rate   ##windows   might be the place for that Q
[04:15] <Billiard> im reading this guide to share a printer to windows
[04:15] <Billiard> it says i need to copy those files to a folder on my linux system
[04:16] <intelikey> hmmm ok.    well that makes some sense,  i guess.       but it doesn't tell you the name ?
[04:16] <Billiard> it tells me a folder
[04:16] <Billiard> but in that folder my windows system doesnt have to files
[04:16] <Billiard> those*
[04:17] <intelikey> those files ?     which files ?
[04:17] <Billiard> ps5ui.dll
[04:17] <Billiard>     pscript.hlp
[04:17] <Billiard>     pscript.ntf
[04:17] <Billiard>     pscript5.dll
[04:18] <intelikey> if it tells you the name of the file/s you can `find /mountpoint/ -iname [pscript.hlp,pscript.ntf,pscript5.dll]  `
[04:19] <intelikey> find / -iname pscript*
[04:19] <intelikey> find / -iname pscript* 2>/dev/null               i like clean output.
[04:20] <intelikey> oh i missed the first one.   sorry.   find / -iname ps5ui.dll 2>/dev/null
[04:22] <intelikey> and using the mountpoint would help that greatly, also sub-dirs in that mountpoint...    find /media/hda1/windows/system32/ -iname ps5ui.dll   for example.
[04:23] <intelikey> so it doesn't search the entire trillion gigabites of storage you have
[04:23] <dr_willis> ;loc
[04:23] <dr_willis> oops :0
[04:23] <dr_willis> heh
[04:24] <Joxam> does video4linux have an irc channel?
[04:24] <intelikey> 1024^1024bytes
[04:25] <intelikey> wow.  did you know bc will actually compute that...
[04:26] <zach> Greets, everyone. Was wondering if someone could give me some help with getting the Bluetooth running on my laptop. I've done a fair amount of googling and haven't really gotten anywhere, and I did "lspci" and nothing came up indicating it's recognizing the Bluetooth adapter. Should I take this to mean it's not supported?
[04:26] <dr_willis> !calc 1024^1024
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about calc 1024^1024 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <dr_willis> bummer
[04:26] <intelikey> big number.   math -s '1024^1024 +1' | wc -c
[04:26] <intelikey> 3174
[04:26] <intelikey> it's 3174 digits long
[04:28] <AstroGirl> Hi all, I have a fresh install of Kubuntu Feisty - and a really bad memory - can someone tell me which package to get so I can compile a tar.bz2?
[04:28] <dr_willis> build-essential
[04:29] <AstroGirl> brilliant, thanks dr_willis!
[04:29] <dr_willis> its only asked in here like 12 times a day :)
[04:29] <Arwen> the mplayer distributed with Ubuntu is way too old... is there anywhere I can get a recent build from?
[04:30] <max> yo how do i go to ubuntu irc?
[04:30] <dr_willis> ya mean to #ubuntu ?
[04:30] <max> yeah
[04:30] <dr_willis>  /join #channelname
[04:30] <max> im a nooob
[04:30] <dr_willis> irc basics :)
[04:30] <dr_willis> !irc
[04:30] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:31] <max> thx
[04:32] <Arwen> ...
[04:32] <zach> Has anyone in here had any luck getting Bluetooth running in Feisty?
[04:32] <BenPA> can anyone tell me how I can just reinstall the os ... I was running out of space tried to resize and screwed it up but all I need is to maybe try and reinstall the os
[04:32] <intelikey> i have a major problem with bash       in dapper bash is worthless.    it expands ' * '  as if you typed   *
[04:33] <zach> BenPA: Just pop in the installation disc and reboot.
[04:33] <Quinn_Storm> works fine ootb here, zach , chipset?
[04:33] <intelikey> BenPA reinstall is just like install
[04:33] <Arwen> the mplayer distributed with Ubuntu is way too old... is there anywhere I can get a recent build from?
[04:34] <zach> Quinn_Storm: Umm, for the Bluetooth adapter? Not sure. Ran lspci and didn't find anything, and also briefly looked through KInfoCenter and couldn't find anything of relevance.
[04:34] <Quinn_Storm> and you're sure its enabled? check for a button or switch that turns it on/off, sometimes it won't show up unless the switch is on
[04:34] <Quinn_Storm> (presuming its a laptop)
[04:35] <Arwen> god damn it...
[04:36] <RodGo> hi all
[04:36] <RodGo>  i need some help
[04:36] <zach> There's a little switch with a light and the Bluetooth logo next to it, but when I hold it, the light doesn't come on.
[04:36] <RodGo> please
[04:36] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, strange, I don't know...what brand/model laptop, zach ?
[04:37] <zach> Acer Aspire 3620. Tried googling that model number along with bluetooth and ubuntu, and saw a couple articles suggesting it will work, but not really with any details.
[04:38] <zach> Should it be showing up in the output of lspci if it's supported?
[04:38] <Quinn_Storm> hmm...and (I know dumb question) your sure there is a working bluetooth module in it? sometimes models can come with or without
[04:38] <Quinn_Storm> and as for lspci, no, mine doesn't either and I've used it
[04:39] <RodGo> hi all
[04:39] <RodGo> i need some help please
[04:39] <zach> To be honest, I'm just assuming there is one because of the switch with the Bluetooth logo next to it, but I'm not positive. The laptop was given to me, so I can't really be sure.
[04:39] <BluesKaj> RodGo: just ask
[04:39] <titanix88> RodGo: what help?
[04:39] <Quinn_Storm> ah ok, zach ... you could always try the evil OS to test
[04:39] <RodGo> i am using kubuntu feisty and just installed beryl
[04:40] <RodGo> i think i installed it badly and tryed to reinstall
[04:40] <Quinn_Storm> did you use the packages, RodGo ?
[04:40] <zach> What's it show up as in your /dev folder, Quinn_Storm?
[04:40] <Quinn_Storm> (the ones in universe)
[04:40] <RodGo> and now, when i open beryl, its like i have like 20 panels
[04:40] <RodGo> insted of just the 4 faces of the cube
[04:41] <RodGo> the first time, i used the sudo apt-get beryl beryl-manager emerald-themes
[04:41] <Quinn_Storm> zach: nothing, but use 'hciconfig' to look up the bluetooth interfaces
[04:41] <titanix88> RodGo: O _O
[04:41] <RodGo> then i tried to unisntall with the same command but with remove
[04:41] <RodGo> and reinstalled with adept
[04:41] <RodGo> i can take a screen man this is crazy
[04:42] <RodGo> and if i kill beryl or use kWin isntead, it works just fine
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> sure, you probably just have to tweak the settings
[04:42] <zach> Just tried "$ hciconfig up" and it said "Can't get device info: No such device"
[04:42] <RodGo> i searched everywhere man, can you givme a clue?
[04:42] <Quinn_Storm> zach: just do 'hciconfig -a'
[04:43] <Quinn_Storm> RodGo: post that screenshot plz
[04:43] <RodGo> k wait
[04:43] <titanix88> RodGo: probably try at #ubuntu-effects sorry, no clue :(
[04:43] <zach> K... Ran that and it didn't give any output, and the KDE-Bluetooth logo in the systray is still grayed-out.
[04:43] <Darkkish> http://www.hallpass.com/media/beerstand.html lol all of you guys have to watch tisd
[04:43] <Darkkish> this*
[04:44] <Quinn_Storm> ok, zach , sounds like it at least can't find it, but it could be there, the interface is invisible when acpi has it shut off
[04:44] <RodGo> aight
[04:44] <RodGo> this is the screen
[04:44] <RodGo> http://img466.imageshack.us/img466/9760/instantnea1zb6.png
[04:45] <zach> Ok... How would I go about getting acpi to start it up?
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> usually that's where you push the button
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> also google for acer acpi stuff
[04:45] <Quinn_Storm> like acer acpi bluetooth or something
[04:46] <sunnyhours> is dvd::rip capable of ripping a dvd to an .iso file?
[04:46] <sunnyhours> anyone know?
[04:46] <RodGo> any ideas Quinn_Storm?
[04:46] <phishinphree> hey all.  I've been having network troubles since I reinstalled kubuntu last week.  The server takes about 7 seconds or so to reply to a web request.  I've tried turning off ipv6 and I have changed my network configuration, wires, and nic card but the problem persists.  any suggestions?
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> RodGo: well the first idea that comes to mind is that kde's pager doesn't (in general) work right with beryl
[04:46] <Quinn_Storm> I'd say try just dropping the pager from your taskbar for now
[04:47] <zach> RodGo: That's what the pager looks like after you start Beryl?
[04:47] <Quinn_Storm> zach: not usually, that's a weird bug, probably in his pager, haven't seen it before, but kde's pager and beryl do not work well together
[04:47] <titanix88> flame me for using gnome but beryl is a lot better with default ubuntu theme.
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> well the theme that comes with the beryl in universe is pretty ugly
[04:48] <Quinn_Storm> (I think)
[04:48] <zach> Yeah, I've noticed that. I actually use a script to kill and restart Beryl every time I turn Beryl off.
[04:49] <zach> restart Kicker*
[04:49] <Quinn_Storm> personally in kubuntu/kde, I've come to like the emerald theme 'sky'
[04:49] <RodGo> yes zach
[04:49] <RodGo> the pager looks like that
[04:49] <xGrantx> do I have to add any params to mkdosfs to format a hard drive to FAT32?
[04:50] <xGrantx> besides the device
[04:50] <Quinn_Storm> -F 32
[04:50] <xGrantx> oh ok
[04:51] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: i'm sorry to hear it.. network problems are hard to diagnose..
[04:52] <wersdaluv> has anyone here successfully ran synce-kde on kubuntu feisty?
[04:52] <zach> Quinn_Storm: BTW, are you THE Quinn Storm?
[04:52] <Quinn_Storm> indeed, zach
[04:52] <titanix88> can anyone predict a stable 3d(beryl+compiz) in future?
[04:52] <Quinn_Storm> yes, titanix88 , it is on its way
[04:53] <zach> Quinn_Storm: I'm sure you get this question all the time, but where can I find out the status of the merge?
[04:53] <wersdaluv> does raki work with kubuntu feisty?
[04:54] <Quinn_Storm> zach: well...mostly asking people in #opencompositing-dev and on opencompositing.org where we're busily working on it...I"m running the merged code now, and we're all hacking on it
[04:56] <zach> Has a new name been settled on yet, or was it decided to keep the old names?
[04:56] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm: wow u r beryl/compiz developer? what an honour to me u(if u aren't kidding)!
[04:56] <scififan> lol
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> the new name discussion is in the works, zach
[04:56] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: its no honor, I'm just a regular gal, but I am not kidding
[04:57] <phishinphree> dogatemycomputer: Its strange since everything was working fine a week ago when an earlier version of kubuntu.  I'm thinking of switching over to fc7
[04:57] <scififan> it's funny how some people see programmers as almost rock stars
[04:58] <phishinphree> i can't live with a 7 second latency when loading a local web page
[04:58] <zach> Well, given how many people consider programming as an "art," it kinda makes sense.
[04:58] <AstroGirl> !mp3
[04:58] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:58] <Quinn_Storm> it is an art, but I'm no master
[04:58] <rolnyzx> anybody uses yakuake here? What's the shortcut for a new tab? Konsole's ctrl + alt + n doesn't work
[04:59] <phishinphree> its funny how some people can't paint or plau music but they can program very well.  Im a coder but most def. not an artist
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> there are many kinds of art
[04:59] <Quinn_Storm> there are plenty of songwriters who couldn't paint a cube
[04:59] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: i had a similar problem a while back that was solved by a rebuild and I haven't seen it since.
[05:00] <Quinn_Storm> http://www.opencompositing.org/viewtopic.php?t=478&f=46 - here's the name thread btw
[05:00] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: i'm not a fan of Fedora (or most of the RPM based systems).  Seems everytime its installed and working I start to suffer from dependency hell..
[05:00] <phishinphree> weird.  I must have caught your bug when i rebuilt :-)
[05:01] <phishinphree> yeah, i've run into the dependency issues before working with redhat.  seems to be getting a little better as of late tho
[05:01] <xGrantx> uh, mkdosfs didn't seem to work...
[05:01] <zach> Quinn_Storm: Are there any major changes we can expect in the next release, and any rough estimate of when it'll be out? (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.  :D )
[05:01] <dogatemycomputer> Quinn_Storm: it does take a certain amount of skill and intelligence to be a good programmer though.  Have to see things from a different perspective.  I personally admire most coders..
[05:01] <rolnyzx> found it <ctrl> <shift> n
[05:02] <intelikey> xGrantx sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/<devicenode>
[05:02] <Quinn_Storm> zach: I'm ok, and I really don't have an answer to those questions, sorry
[05:02] <xGrantx> intelikey: I did that
[05:02] <zach> No problem
[05:02] <intelikey> xGrantx and it said what ?
[05:02] <xGrantx> it said
[05:02] <xGrantx> "mkdosfs 2.11 (12 Mar 2005)"
[05:02] <xGrantx> that's it
[05:02] <dogatemycomputer> phishinphree: well.. I just formatted over a Suse 10.2 installation.. partially because of my disgust over the Microsoft deal.. but the dependency hell was a problem too.  I don't think its going away anytime soon although I would be willing to switch if they would standardize on a single type of package management system for all platforms.
[05:03] <zach> Well, I need to get off here. Thanks for the help, Quinn_Storm. Nice meeting/chatting with you. Peace.
[05:03] <intelikey> xGrantx good it's done
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> sure, zach
[05:03] <xGrantx> well I listed the devices again and it's still NFTS format
[05:03] <xGrantx> *NTFS
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> xGrantx: the partition is probably still set to ntfs type
[05:03] <Quinn_Storm> not sure though
[05:04] <xGrantx> so how do I fix that?
[05:04] <xGrantx> I probably can't just restart like windows
[05:05] <intelikey> xGrantx what do you men "listed the device " ?
[05:05] <xGrantx> fdisk -l
[05:05] <intelikey> that only lists the partition table.  has nothing to do with what fs is on it.
[05:06] <xGrantx> oh
[05:06] <intelikey> sudo cfdisk /dev/<device>    and change the partition type if you like.
[05:06] <xGrantx> how do I change it?
[05:06] <xGrantx> just with that command?
[05:06] <intelikey> it's a no brainer.  run the app.
[05:07] <intelikey> yep,  interactive
[05:07] <xGrantx> oh ok
[05:07] <xGrantx> heh
[05:07] <xGrantx> thanks
[05:08] <home_> hello
[05:08] <home_> n e 1 from around oklahoma
[05:09] <intelikey> yo, home. sup.
[05:09] <home_> not much new to this chat
[05:09] <raymond> anyone have luck getting a linksys WPC54GS working
[05:09] <raymond> ?
[05:10] <home_> what is it first?
[05:10] <chuck> !mouse
[05:10] <raymond> PCMCIA Wireless card
[05:10] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[05:10] <home_> sorry no
[05:10] <dogatemycomputer> !pcmcia
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pcmcia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <dogatemycomputer> !wireless
[05:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:11] <raymond> i've used ndiswrapper to load a driver and it shows up in System Settings but whenever i try enabling it doesnt work
[05:12] <home_> i got a question for 1 of u computer guys
[05:12] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: http://www.kosmaczewski.net/blogs/tech/archives/2006/02/how_to_install_1.php might help
[05:13] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: it appears the card works well with the NDIS wrapper..
[05:13] <intelikey> are they like machine men ?
[05:13] <home_> lol
[05:13] <raymond> yeah i read that too hence my confusion as to why it isnt working
[05:13] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: lol
[05:13] <intelikey> home_ just ask you Q.
[05:13] <intelikey> :)
[05:13] <raymond> probably typed something wrong
[05:14] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i've never had a wireless card that didn't just work out of the box once the O/S was installed so i'm sorry :(
[05:15] <GrueTamer> hi BluesKaj
[05:15] <home_> i am new to linux
[05:15] <BluesKaj> hey GrueTamer
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: what inf file did you use?
[05:15] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: sudo ndiswrapper -i /cdrom/linksys/drivers/w2k/lsbcmnds.inf
[05:15] <BluesKaj> GrueTamer: yer it !
[05:15] <raymond> LSBCMNDS.inf
[05:16] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: from the w2k directory?
[05:16] <raymond> yup
[05:16] <intelikey> did i miss home_ 's question, durring my modem reset ?
[05:16] <BluesKaj> lesbian commands ad infinitum...ooo...kinda riske' for a linux bunch
[05:16] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: in that case I assume you depmod and modprobe-d.. right?
[05:17] <Stratys> good evening
[05:17] <raymond> yup, followed the ndiswrapper how to
[05:17] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: sorry dude..
[05:17] <Stratys> Does anyone know anything about converting avi's to dvd to play in a home player?
[05:17] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: lol.. i didn't read the howto so i was just making sure ..
[05:18] <raymond> like i said i probably typed something wrong.. just need to go through it again step by step
[05:18] <intelikey> home_ don't take my antics so seriously.  i get playful now and when.   if you need help with something just ask.  that's what the channel is for.
[05:19] <dogatemycomputer> lol.. I didn't even realize he failed to ask the question..
[05:19] <raymond> hmm ndiswrapper -l says that there is an alternate driver install (bcm43xx) wonder if that is what could be the issue...
[05:19] <BluesKaj> we're waiting for home
[05:19] <intelikey> dogatemycomputer well my modem reset and i could have missed it...
[05:19] <home_> oh sorry i got lost in my com for a min
[05:20] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: I do remember reading something about the wrong driver loading and you have to blacklist one of them to get the correct driver to load..
[05:20] <home_> well i was runnin xp rite
[05:20] <home_> it crashed big surprise
[05:21] <home_> when com starts it tells me to replace hard drive because failure is imenient
[05:21] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: there is a particular line in the ndiswrapper docs somewhere that tells you to type something, then you get a response and the response "looks right" but its not exactly what's in the documentation.. and you have to blacklist the one that responded and force it to load the correct one.  I don't remember specifics..
[05:21] <home_> but linux says nothing wrong
[05:21] <home_> y
[05:22] <raymond> looking through documentation for it
[05:22] <raymond> i had a page up that had something about it but i closed firefox and lost it
[05:22] <intelikey> home_ oooh yuch...  windows thinks it's gonna blow chuncks...     dik. home_ but linux is not windows don't expect anything about them to be ==    if you'd like to test the hd linux has apps/utils for that...
[05:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: i've installed linux on machines that wouldn't even boot under XP.
[05:23] <intelikey> errr dik/idk ^
[05:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: linux is much more forgiving in many cases..
[05:23] <intelikey> typos can get ugly.
[05:24] <home_> i really like it
[05:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: heck.. i'm working on a machine now with a busted CD drive that we couldn't install windows on but I was able to get the net install to complete successfully with linux.
[05:24] <home_> linux that is
[05:24] <BluesKaj> dogatemycomputer: prolly lost the windows mbr
[05:24] <intelikey> idk = i don't know   btw.
[05:24] <intelikey> btw = by the way   btw.
[05:24] <home_> i know
[05:24] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: what probably lost the MBR?
[05:24] <intelikey> :)
[05:24] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: i think that is what the problem is
[05:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: do a disk check and stick with linux if Windows is being so fussy..
[05:25] <home_> i am
[05:25] <BluesKaj> windows did , dogatemycomputer
[05:25] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: i think that the bcm43xx is not supposed to be being used
[05:25] <home_> i am havin trouble gettin wine to run my file share program
[05:25] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: then can't you add it to the blacklist?
[05:25] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i'm just guessing here.  i'm a total noob ;)
[05:26] <dbglt> is there a usable kde4 package for kubuntu?
[05:26] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: so am i
[05:26] <BluesKaj> !fileshare
[05:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fileshare - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:26] <dogatemycomputer> BluesKaj: the machine that wouldn't boot under windows actually had a bad USB port which would cause Windows to simply blue screen every few minutes..  linux registered the error and ignored it..
[05:26] <raymond> going to try blacklisting it
[05:26] <dogatemycomputer> home_: what file shareing program are you using?
[05:27] <home_> not sure how do i find out
[05:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, i figured windows was to blame :)
[05:27] <home_> i have kubuntu runin now
[05:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: well.. what do you want to do exactly?  what application are you trying to use with Wine?
[05:27] <intelikey> home_  konsole command    man badblocks      well prolly   man man  them man what ever else.     anyway badblocks can be ran on the disk or a partition thereof.   and in readonly mode will not "hurt" anything, but only reveal the badblocks it finds.      not a bad idea if you want to be sure.
[05:27] <home_> it is mp3rocketpro
[05:28] <dogatemycomputer> home_: give me a sec to look.. k?
[05:28] <home_> its for windows
[05:29] <intelikey> word.  samba
[05:29] <home_> i have that i think
[05:29] <home_> open it with samba
[05:29] <intelikey> !samba
[05:29] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:30] <intelikey> !swat
[05:30] <intelikey> ooops
[05:30] <intelikey> !info swat
[05:30] <ubotu> swat: Samba Web Administration Tool. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.24-2ubuntu1.2 (feisty), package size 800 kB, installed size 2180 kB
[05:31] <intelikey> not sure that will help you but i always try to think of a non-M$ way to get from point * to point [A-z]
[05:31] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it looks like they have a linux download available..
[05:32] <home_> where
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> home_: have you logged in and tried to download the linux version if its available for pro?
[05:32] <dogatemycomputer> home_: www.mp3rocketpro.com
[05:32] <home_> havent found it
[05:32] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm : is there any dapper repository from which i can install directly? also, why they are specific hardware / server based? A lot of graPHICS CARDS out there supports opengl.
[05:32] <raymond> ok how do i create a file with text already in it. because i can't chmod the blacklist file
[05:32] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: huh?
[05:33] <intelikey> titanix88 install what   i'll check the repos  ?
[05:33] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it won't let me get past the initial screen unless I login and I don't have an account and I don't want to give them my credit card information.  There should be a "RPM" download..
[05:33] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm : about beryl / compiz ofcourse.
[05:33] <home_> use mine ok
[05:33] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: dapper is not exactly supported
[05:34] <intelikey> Quinn_Storm ?
[05:34] <intelikey> by beryl or by this channel ?
[05:34] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm  : why not? it's the best stable ubuntu out there.
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: its too olod
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> old
[05:34] <Quinn_Storm> intelikey: beryl
[05:34] <intelikey> about to say.
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: you should be able to blacklist modueles by editing the file with a text editor.  "sudo mcedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
[05:35] <raymond> i tried with vim and it wont let me save it because it is only read only
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> home_: email it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:35] <intelikey> yeah dapper is almost a year old now.   it's ancient     laughs...
[05:35] <titanix88> Quinn_Storm : i upgraded it to 6.06.3 how about that?
[05:35] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you can change the password in 10 minutes.. I don't want to keep it.
[05:36] <Quinn_Storm> titanix88: if its dapper its dapper, but check beryl-project.org for info
[05:37] <raymond> nevermind
[05:37] <intelikey> titanix88 however.  beryl is not supported in this channel.    "just policy"
[05:37] <raymond> fingers failed me yet again and i didnt type chmod command correctly
[05:37] <home_> ok dog it will take a minute
[05:37] <aib> is there a fast host that I can download the kubuntu dvd from?
[05:38] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i'm not sure you should chmod that file though..
[05:38] <intelikey> aib nl. is pretty hot.
[05:38] <titanix88> intelikey : i forgot i have to put "kubuntu" word in my every line to get a support here :p
[05:38] <raymond> im changing it back to the permissions it is supposed to have
[05:38] <aib> tx
[05:38] <raymond> i just couldnt write to it
[05:38] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: ahhhhhh
[05:38] <raymond> and now it is back at read only
[05:38] <intelikey> titanix88 it's not that.  it's that there is a support channel for that.
[05:39] <intelikey> !beryl | titanix88
[05:39] <ubotu> titanix88: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:39] <aib> 500KB. that's 10 times better than I got w/ the US host. thanks
[05:39] <intelikey> aib you bet.
[05:40] <home_> ok sent dog
[05:41] <dogatemycomputer> home_: give me a minute..
[05:41] <dogatemycomputer> home_: i'll brb
[05:41] <home_> k
[05:42] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. still there?
[05:43] <home_> yep
[05:43] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. go to www.mp3rocketpro.com -> click on LOGIN -> login -> click on the little penguin on the right hand side (should say something like, "Linux Users Click Here".. and then follow the instructions
[05:44] <home_> r u serious i am that dum
[05:44] <home_> doh
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you there?
[05:44] <home_> yep
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> home_: nevermind.. don't.. it just refers you to the limewire site so you can install the Limewire client.
[05:44] <dogatemycomputer> home_: since that's the case..
[05:44] <home_> ah i thought so
[05:44] <intelikey> titanix88 and i wasn't trying to chase you out of here either.    just pointing out the structure of the support channels.     it's like they don't support kde in #ubuntu   reason is basically to keep the questions as answerable as possable.   when it's busy in any channel you don't want a thousand topics scrolling by or you'll enter the command that someone accidently sent you that was intended for someone else...      th
[05:45] <intelikey> did i type that much..........
[05:45] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you can download the debian version of the LImewire package directly from Limewire's site..  www.limewire.com
[05:45] <titanix88> intelikey : ok i get it.
[05:46] <home_> will it work with my subscript to mp3
[05:46] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got a lot of files with messed up permissions  on a filesystem.  got files next to dirs that are all marked executable (files that is) even tho they are jpgs and so forth. if i chmod -x *, then i also tag the dirs.   whats the proper way to Unexecutate the files but not the dirs
[05:46] <home_> prob not huh
[05:46] <dogatemycomputer> home_: Here is the link http://www.limewire.com/download/download.php?version=linux_deb
[05:47] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it should since they're the ones directing you to the installation
[05:47] <home_> thanks ill do it brb
[05:47] <dogatemycomputer> home_: if you're not sure then follow their instructions to download the software from their site
[05:48] <home_> ok its down loadin
[05:49] <home_> linux is so much more fun than windows
[05:49] <scififan> lol
[05:49] <home_> its true
[05:49] <dogatemycomputer> home_: download the RPM, save it to your desktop then "sudo apt-get install alien && sudo alien -d --scripts ~/Desktop/*.rpm && sudo dpkg -i ~/Desktop/*.deb"
[05:49] <GrueTamer> home_: yup :)
[05:50] <home_> do i have to do that somewhere
[05:50] <dogatemycomputer> home_: "sudo apt-get install alien" will install a utilty that converts rpm packages to debian
[05:50] <intelikey> dr_willis not a really good way.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37065    something like that maybe.
[05:50] <home_> doh
[05:50] <dogatemycomputer> home_: "sudo alien -d --scripts *.rpm" .. -d tells it to convert the package to debian and --scripts tells it to convert the script if needed
[05:51] <intelikey> dr_willis find works well there also  i think i wrote that script about 5 or six years ago while learning bash....   so look before you leap.
[05:51] <dogatemycomputer> home_: "dpkg -i ~/Desktop/*.deb" tells the package manager to install any debian packages found on your desktop (so make sure limewire is the only one)
[05:51] <dr_willis> intelikey,  was hopping chmod had a 'ignore dirs' option.
[05:51] <scififan> alien is an ugly solution... why not just find a .deb pkg or compile it from source
[05:51] <dr_willis> guess this explains why i never noticed it. :)
[05:51] <intelikey> :)
[05:51] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: because its easier and works for this specific problem.
[05:52] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: the only package you can download is the RPM.  It doesn't give you access to the source.
[05:52] <scififan> then it's not worth using IMO
[05:52] <hitmanWilly> limewire is only free as in beer, and even then its a castrated version
[05:53] <home_> ok i guess i cant just click on it huh
[05:53] <scififan> there are better ways to find stuff than using limewire
[05:53] <home_> oh really how sci
[05:53] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: do you have any other suggestions for home?
[05:53] <hitmanWilly> alternatively, i think you can install rpm on ubuntu iirc
[05:53] <scififan> depends on what it is you're seeking
[05:53] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: apparently music.. and lots of it ;)
[05:53] <home_> music and movies
[05:54] <intelikey> WARNING! warez clearance sale.   get all your warez at  <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:54] <hitmanWilly> lol...
[05:54] <dogatemycomputer> intelikey: you're funny :(
[05:54] <scififan> while i'm all for free source code and free computing environments, dl'ing music and movies is off limits IMO
[05:54] <dogatemycomputer> :)
[05:55] <jfrerichs> anyone know how to get my logitech mouse to auto connect in kubuntu?
[05:55] <intelikey> :)
[05:55] <dogatemycomputer> home_: in that case.. if you feel comfortable.. you can try limewire.com first and see if their free version does what you like otherwise follow the instructions from mp3pro :)
[05:56] <home_> hey guys i tried to install package and it asks for a password but i cant type anything
[05:56] <soulrider> intelikey: i never payed for anything while in windows, but now i dont need to pirate anything ebcasue everything is free :)
[05:56] <dogatemycomputer> home_: it hides what you're typing so you can't see it.
[05:56] <hitmanWilly> home_: did you try hitting enter
[05:56] <intelikey> home yes you can.   it doesn't echo passwords.
[05:56] <home_> oh it does cool
[05:57] <home_> ill try it
[05:57] <soulrider> i just tried installign windows in my machine, and it doesnt want to install :( :P
[05:57] <soulrider> it also decided to murder my grub
[05:57] <jfrerichs> super grub
[05:57] <home_> hey its unpackin thanks
[05:57] <scififan> why would you want windows anyway....:)
[05:58] <hitmanWilly> soulrider: grub you can fix...windows is another story :P
[05:58] <home_> mine too soul then my windows crashed
[05:58] <intelikey> soulrider heh.    feels better to be able to say.    "nan na, nan na, na na..."  and know you didn't do anything illeagle doesn't it   :)
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: no windows! bad!!
[05:58] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: bad soulrider!
[05:58] <soulrider> lol
[05:58] <home_> is it good porn dog
[05:58] <soulrider> io just wanted to play resident evil 4 a bit
[05:58] <jfrerichs> anyone know how to get my logitech mouse to auto connect in kubuntu?  ive tried editing the /etc/default/bluetooth file nothing
[05:58] <raymond> dogatemycomputer: that was the problem got rid of that driver and re-depod and modprobed and success
[05:59] <home_> how do i run it now
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> home_: yeah
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> home_: try typing limewire in a console
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: so you need your fix eh?  honestly.. i don't know.. does it even work under Wine or Crossover?
[06:00] <home_> what is console  u mean window
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: wow.. glad it worked!! woohoo!
[06:00] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: nope
[06:00] <intelikey> jfrerichs i see that no one is answering you.   that normally doesn't mean that we didn't read your Q it means we don't know.   you can ask in  #ubuntu   that's not a kde issue it's a hardware issue   but be ready to inturpret the instructions from gnome'ish to k'ish
[06:00] <hitmanWilly> home_: cmd line
[06:00] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: you should document that somewhere in the ubuntu forums.. step by step if you can..
[06:00] <soulrider> i just wanna try it out\
[06:01] <dogatemycomputer> raymond: i'm sure others will appreciate it..
[06:01] <soulrider> since id otn ahve any consoles other than my NES
[06:01] <dogatemycomputer> home_: what'cha doing?  how far did you get?
[06:01] <home_> i just need to know how to run it
[06:02] <scififan> why?
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. did you download something?
[06:02] <scififan> consoles are cool
[06:02] <soulrider> consoles own
[06:02] <home_> yep limewire package
[06:02] <raymond_> yay console
[06:02] <scififan> get more work done
[06:02] <hitmanWilly> gimmie my Eterm!!!
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. did you save the .deb file to your desktop?  (make sure its a "deb" file)
[06:02] <soulrider> home_: dont use limewire
[06:02] <soulrider> ise frostwire
[06:02] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: frostwire?
[06:03] <home_> i seen people usin that on my mp3 rocket
[06:03] <soulrider> yeah
[06:03] <intelikey> soulrider good call but that may not work for what he wants...
[06:03] <soulrider> its the free version of limewire
[06:03] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: is frostwire available in adept?
[06:03] <soulrider> they are the asme =/
[06:03] <scififan> i remember using eterms under enlightenment back in the day
[06:03] <soulrider> not sure, but i know theres an ubuntu package on their site
[06:03] <intelikey> !frostwire
[06:03] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:03] <home_> oh really
[06:03] <scififan> lol
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> home_: checkout that link.. he may have just saved you alot of grief..
[06:04] <home_> cool
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: thank you!!!
[06:04] <scififan> too late... sullied your install with closed source nonsense
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: is there anything we can do to help you other than fix windows? ;)
[06:04] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: i dont give a piece of poop abot windows now
[06:04] <dogatemycomputer> scififan: he never actually installed anything..
[06:04] <soulrider> my dad runs it
[06:04] <scififan> good
[06:04] <soulrider> so i installed resident evil on his machine
[06:05] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: lol.. pawn the evilness off on your dad eh?
[06:05] <home_> me either screw the gates
[06:05] <scififan> i'm sure it's only a matter of time before p2p servers and apps will be illegal completely...
[06:05] <intelikey> skuttel has it on good authority that people in linux are not the smartest people in the world.           hmmm.....
[06:05] <home_> ok i am down loadin frostwire
[06:06] <home_> ill admit to it
[06:06] <soulrider> i havnt had windows on my machine in like 3 months
[06:06] <soulrider> but i havnt really used it in around a year
[06:06] <scififan> i've never had windows on this laptop
[06:06] <soulrider> except for the summer, i used to load it just to play lineage
[06:06] <dogatemycomputer> home_: just the fact that you're willing to give linux a try and you're working past these issues shows that you're more intelligent than most people.
[06:06] <intelikey> soulrider yeah ya get weened pretty quick don't ya
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> this machine has been windows free since it was built
[06:07] <soulrider> intelikey: weened? what do you mean
[06:07] <scififan> will never run windows again... not on a personally owned machine. there will never be a need.
[06:07] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: i have a windows machine at home.. its been a while since I booted it.
[06:07] <rpgsimmaster> Ahem... on the note of booting
[06:07] <intelikey> soulrider an idiom    off the milk, onto the meat.
[06:08] <home_> ok its done downloadin what now
[06:08] <dr_willis> Argh! Find is having fits with spaces inside filenames!
[06:08] <dr_willis> Grrr
[06:08] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: ironically its the most powerful machine in the house and everytime I try to load linux on it.. it just crashes badly.. but the next machine will be built FOR linux.. which should make a big difference.
[06:08] <rpgsimmaster> does anyone know of a reason why the latest Kubuntu won't boot on older hardware
[06:08] <scififan> hates filenames with spaces
[06:08] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you should be able to simply follow the instructions step by step..
[06:08] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: i never had a single problemw ith linux, in fact, my hardware has worked better with linux than with windows
[06:08] <soulrider> which is kinda surprising
[06:09] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster how "older" ?
[06:09] <home_> from what
[06:09] <home_> it downloaded and now nothing
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> home_: type frostwire in a console
[06:09] <intelikey> or terminal
[06:09] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: I have linux installed on 2 laptops and 3 PCs.. its this one particular machine that has the problem.  I don't like using it anyway other than for gaming.. so its off 99% of the time.
[06:09] <intelikey> :)
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> home_: or it may be under the k-menu
[06:09] <rpgsimmaster> intelikey: We're talking i386 (PII)
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> 20Gb Seagate HDD
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> 256 Mb RAM
[06:10] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you install it already or did you just download it and now you need help installing it?
[06:10] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: i want a laptop, but i got no $
[06:10] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster newer than anything i'm running
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> I've had a boot problem with Kubuntu 7.04
[06:10] <soulrider> i could really use one
[06:10] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: where do you live?
[06:10] <home_> yep need help
[06:10] <soulrider> Uruguay =/
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> and it's the same problem as PuppyOS 2
[06:10] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you download it and save it to your desktop?
[06:10] <rpgsimmaster> Should I explain what happens?
[06:11] <home_> cool i am in oklahoma usa'
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Knew I was missing something
[06:11] <soulrider> my mom ahs a laptop, but its heavy, thick and the battery doesnt last long
[06:11] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster as i said.  newer than anything i'm running.    and yes do splain.
[06:11] <scififan> yehaaa, home_
[06:11] <soulrider> also, i cant put linux in it because she uses windows\
[06:11] <rpgsimmaster> right...
[06:11] <home_> no its in home folder
[06:11] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: where do you reside?
[06:11] <rpgsimmaster> Well, I put the CD into the computer, as you do
[06:11] <rpgsimmaster> It loads the main menu screen
[06:11] <soulrider> dogatemycomputer: Uruguay :P
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> saying Load Kubuntu, Check CD for defects, etc.
[06:12] <scififan> most people in oklahoma have heard tell of the intermanet thingiemajig
[06:12] <dogatemycomputer> home_: good.. then basically.. to install any .deb file its "sudo dpkg -i <name of file here>".. does that make sense?
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> I select the first option (load Kubuntu)
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> it goes loading, reaches 100%
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> then goes to a black screen
[06:12] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: i'm really sorry dude but I can't help you there.  If you were in the western US then I may be able to help..
[06:12] <soulrider> lol, its ok
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> nothing else happens
[06:12] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster safe graphics mode.
[06:12] <home_> so i just type that in the run command thingy rite
[06:12] <rpgsimmaster> Same thing happens
[06:13] <rpgsimmaster> Happens on Puppy OS, as well
[06:13] <dr_willis> ok what am i missing here. :) i expect this to just echo the dir name...       find . -type d -exec echo
[06:13] <rpgsimmaster> it loads initrd.gz, then goes kaput.
[06:13] <dogatemycomputer> home_: well.. its easier if you do it form the konsole.. "LAUNCH->SYSTEM->KONSOLE"
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> rpgsimmaster: you may try DSL, installed that on an old Dell PII
[06:14] <soulrider> rpgsimmaster: how aobut trying Arch ?
[06:14] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster  ok have you let it set at that point for "beleave it or not,  ten minutes"  so it can time out on the network  ?
[06:14] <dogatemycomputer> home_: if you can find it in your file manager then simply right click on it and choose install..
[06:14] <home_> type that in run command
[06:14] <rpgsimmaster> intelikey - I left it for the best part of half an hour
[06:14] <home_> ok
[06:14] <rpgsimmaster> blank screen
[06:14] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you can type "konsole" into the run command
[06:14] <rpgsimmaster> not even a: Kernel Panic
[06:14] <soulrider> is any if you guys having issues loggin into msn ?
[06:15] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster ok.     try adding the boot option  noacpi vga=0x0f05
[06:15] <soulrider> kopete wont connect to msn
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> Okay...
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> the thing is, Kubuntu 6.06 works fine
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> as does Ubuntu 5 point something
[06:15] <rpgsimmaster> and Knoppix
[06:16] <rpgsimmaster> and FreeNAS (though that's BSD)
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Does 6.10 work ?
[06:16] <soulrider> does anyoen have any idea of how much a dvorak keyboard could cost ?\
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: I priced one recently.. they were about the same price as a decent standard keyboard..
[06:16] <hendaus> titanix88: wb
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: by standard I mean qwerty..
[06:16] <dogatemycomputer> home_: how far did you get?
[06:16] <soulrider> i wanna try them out
[06:17] <titanix88> hendaus: :)
[06:17] <soulrider> but i think im gonna ahve to import one, i dont think ill be able to find any here
[06:17] <rpgsimmaster> But I'll disconnect now, and try the LiveCD with your options, intelikey
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> soulrider: I just found a few on froogle.com
[06:17] <soulrider> finding a keyboard with an english layout was hard enough
[06:17] <home_> it wont let me download it
[06:17] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster ok.  luck with it.
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> home_: I thought you downloaded it already?
[06:17] <dogatemycomputer> home_: or are you saying you can't install it?
[06:18] <dr_willis> Hmm i manged to chmod -x all the dirs.. withfind.. including ' . ' so my user just locked himself out of thedir he was in. :) Lol.
[06:18] <rpgsimmaster> Thanks, and thank you for your help
[06:18] <home_> kate comes up says it is a binary file and may corrupt something
[06:18] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster also if you have scsi devices tell me
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> home_: you don't want to open it..
[06:18] <home_> i know
[06:18] <home_> i havent
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. first..  click on START/LAUNCH -> SYSTEM -> KONSOLE
[06:18] <dogatemycomputer> home_: let me know when you get that far..
[06:19] <home_> ok
[06:19] <home_> ok
[06:19] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. now.. you see the white box.. right?
[06:19] <home_> yep
[06:20] <intelikey> konsole defaults to white....  YUCH !
[06:20] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. type "ls" in the box and hit enter.. tell me if you see "frostwire" in the list..
[06:20] <home_> ok brb
[06:21] <intelikey> i should really go close my eyes now....
[06:21] <home_> says bash: Is: command not found
[06:21] <dogatemycomputer> home_: LS (not IS) ;)  sorry
[06:21] <intelikey> that's an L  not an I
[06:21] <dogatemycomputer> home_: its case sensitive I believe.. so.. "ls" (lowercase LS)
[06:21] <home_> oh ok lol sorry
[06:22] <intelikey> home_ everything in the konsole is case sensitive
[06:22] <home_> ok
[06:22] <titanix88> home_:)
[06:23] <rollerskatejamms> What's the default mail client in Kubuntu? I don't see one.
[06:23] <home_> yep and it has mp3 rocket.ink
[06:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: okay.. good..
[06:23] <dogatemycomputer> home_: now.. its simle..  copy and paste this "sudo dpkg -i frost*.deb" .. or type it out.. its up to you.
[06:24] <home_> its limewire
[06:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: ohhhh..  in that case..  lets install frostwire since its better.
[06:24] <home_> how it wont download
[06:24] <intelikey> lol
[06:24] <dogatemycomputer> home_: so..  what you want to do is first remove the other 2 aps.  so.. type "rm lime*" and hit enter..
[06:25] <Andrew``> Ok I have a problem. I have just installed 7.04 and I neeed to install NVIDIA drivers. It needs to be root to run it. When I try to su, it says my password is incorrect. When I installed  kubuntu,(last night) I dont remember it asking me for a root password. Can anyone help me pls?
[06:25] <home_> ok brb
[06:25] <dogatemycomputer> home_: do you have free long distance on your phone?
[06:25] <intelikey> !root | Andrew``
[06:25] <ubotu> Andrew``: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: alt+space -> kontact
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> Does oKubuntu come with a mail client installed?
[06:26] <intelikey> Andrew`` short answer.  there is no root password
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: or alt+F2 -> Kmail
[06:26] <home_> no i wish
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> ah kontact
[06:26] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you type "rm lime*"
[06:26] <dogatemycomputer> ?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: that's mail +++
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> DaSkreech: why isnt kmail in the menu
[06:26] <home_> yep it says
[06:26] <intelikey> Andrew``  but the link (url)  has lots of good info for you.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: To make things neater. Kontact is huge and covers many apps
[06:26] <rollerskatejamms> oh
[06:27] <home_> cant remove lime no such file
[06:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: good.. now .. lets type "rm mp3*" ("rm" is "remove" command.. fyi)
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> but i have a blackberry so thats basically useless to me
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Well Kontact it self isn't huge but ... yeah you get me
[06:27] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: Why?
[06:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: did you see "limewire" in the list when you typed "ls"?
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> I think I'll stick to thunderbird
[06:27] <david_> hey you krazy kats
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> i like thunderbird
[06:27] <home_> yes
[06:27] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: You can alt+F2 and run kmail if you like
[06:27] <david_> i'm trying to install java, and i need to go down for more, but i can't fiture out howw.. any ideas?
[06:27] <dogatemycomputer> home_: its case sensitive so if you saw "Limewire" or "LIMEWIRE" then please let me know..
[06:27] <intelikey> rollerskatejamms you can add a menu listing for kmail
[06:27] <DaSkreech> or install thunderbird :)
[06:27] <rollerskatejamms> Or I can apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[06:28] <dogatemycomputer> home_: do you have a number where i can call you?  I need to go and its easier on the phone..
[06:28] <intelikey> rollerskatejamms no but root can.   :)
[06:28] <rollerskatejamms> funny
[06:28] <david_> it's in the liscense review part, it says --More-- but i can't get more
[06:28] <home_> well i gotta get to bed u going to be on tomarrow
[06:28] <intelikey> david_ tab key ?
[06:29] <DaSkreech> home_: Bye
[06:29] <rpgsimmaster> intelikey - thanks for your help -it seems those boot options worked
[06:29] <rpgsimmaster> I am now running Kubntu 7.04
[06:29] <rpgsimmaster> :D
[06:29] <dogatemycomputer> home_: who knows.. you have my email address so send me a number where I can get ahold of you.  Its easy but I need to give you a quick runthrough on how these commands work and then we can do it together.
[06:29] <david_> intelikey: no go, it just makes a beep and does nothing
[06:29] <intelikey> rpgsimmaster nice.    even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
[06:29] <dogatemycomputer> home_: does that work for you?
[06:29] <rollerskatejamms> Is there an equivalent of the restricted driver manager for kubuntu
[06:30] <intelikey> david_ hmmmm    and you did hit enter  ?
[06:30] <rollerskatejamms> Ok I just tried to install java5 and java6 and it failed. screw adept
[06:31] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: yeah..
[06:31] <david_> intelikey: i love you
[06:31] <david_> intelikey: enter lolz
[06:31] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: but I can't remember the command..
[06:31] <intelikey> david_ ;/
[06:32] <david_> o boy i think java installed much thanks
[06:32] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: "sudo /etc/restricted-manager" I believe..
[06:32] <rollerskatejamms> yeah restricted-manager is GTK+ though
[06:32] <dogatemycomputer> rollerskatejamms: sorry.. /usr/bin/restricted-manager
[06:33] <rollerskatejamms> yeah its not kubuntu though thats ubuntu. i mean i can install it but yeah . . .
[06:33] <dogatemycomputer> home_: gotta go dude... you have my email.. feel free to send me a number and i'll call ya tomorrow..
[06:33] <intelikey> david_ i think you may need to run an update-alternatives configure java    or some such also.    to make that the default.
[06:33] <klobster> intelikey: got an interesting konqueror issue if you are interested
[06:33] <dogatemycomputer> home_: if there is another day this week that's better then that's fine too.  I would be happy to help.
[06:34] <jose> ol
[06:34] <intelikey> klobster i'm about to leave but i'll hear it.
[06:34] <intelikey> !es | jose
[06:34] <ubotu> jose: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:34] <jose> algum pode me dizer como fao para ouvir msica pela net no KUBUNTU
[06:34] <rollerskatejamms> whats the kde q
[06:35] <DaSkreech> of?
[06:35] <intelikey> klobster   ^   konq  Q
[06:35] <david_> intelikey: yea, frostwire's still saying i don't have it, will look into that
[06:35] <klobster> another time; it's prettylengthy,
[06:35] <klobster> pretty lengthy
[06:35] <intelikey> david_ i've only seen others do that.  i don't mess with java personally
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Do you still have to do that sudo update-alternatives ?
[06:36] <intelikey> klobster intelikey.pastebin.us     and i'll look tomarrow.     sign your post with your nick.
[06:37] <klobster> intelikey: will do
[06:37] <intelikey> DaSkreech he just said that frost wasn't finding it.  so i guess you do.
[06:37] <ubuntu_> hai every one
[06:37] <intelikey> DaSkreech you can help him ?
[06:38] <DaSkreech> I don't remember it :)
[06:38] <intelikey> !java
[06:38] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:38] <DaSkreech> !alternatives
[06:38] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[06:38] <rollerskatejamms> Hey whats like beagle for kde
[06:39] <intelikey> well that's handy as the pocket on a shirt.
[06:39] <intelikey> ok latter fellaws.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> david_: sudo update-alternatives java I think
[06:40] <ubuntu_> hello any one care to chat
[06:40] <klobster> ubuntu_ try #ubuntu-offtopic for "chatting"
[06:40] <klobster> !offtopic
[06:40] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[06:41] <ubuntu_> i am new here
[06:41] <DaSkreech> rollerskatejamms: strigi right now I think
[06:41] <Kaisho> hey does any one know how to get to undernet i am interested in getting some ebooks
[06:41] <ubuntu_> dont know anybody here
[06:41] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What's up?
[06:41] <klobster> welcome to IRC, or kubuntu (or KDE?)
[06:42] <Kaisho> Any one ??
[06:42] <ubuntu_> hi kaisho
[06:42] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: You don't need to know anyone.
[06:42] <DaSkreech>  If you have a question you can ask it
[06:42] <DaSkreech>  If you want to learn just hang around
[06:43] <Kaisho> hey
[06:43] <klobster> http://www.google.com/search?q=undernet+ebooks&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Swiftfox:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[06:43] <klobster> kaisho ^^
[06:43] <DaSkreech>  if you want to chat about something type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:43] <dogatemycomputer>            mm,
[06:44] <klobster> oops I should have cut out the browser info
[06:44] <Kaisho> thank you
[06:44] <dr_willis> gee i can find ebooks without undernet. :) legalones even
[06:44] <titanix88> Kaisho: i would like to.
[06:45] <titanix88> hendaus: still there?
[06:46] <hendaus> :)
[06:46] <hendaus> titanix88:  yes
[06:46] <titanix88> hendaus: read "man 1 intro" ?
[06:46] <hendaus> not all
[06:47] <david_> Amarok: does anyone know the difference between Smart playlists and dynamic playlists?
[06:47] <titanix88> hendaus: at least got the idea,didn't u?
[06:48] <hendaus> titanix88:  i have download a file .bin,how can i install it
[06:49] <dr_willis> what is this .bin anyway?
[06:49] <dr_willis> chmod +x whatever.bin  then ./whatever.bin
[06:49] <hendaus> dr_willis:  jre-6u1-linux-i586-rpm.bin
[06:49] <dr_willis> You do realize that java is in the repos?
[06:50] <dr_willis> and that bin will just make a .rpm for you to then install?
[06:50] <dr_willis> or at least thats how sun used to work with the rpm.bin stuff
[06:50] <hendaus> dr_willis:  no i got it from a plugin from firefox?
[06:50] <dr_willis> hendaus,  you are going about it the wrong way to get java installed then
[06:50] <dr_willis> !java
[06:50] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:51] <hendaus> dr_willis:  i try to open a picture from a website , but it needs this java plugin
[06:51] <dr_willis> hendaus,  thats scary that it needs java for a picture.
[06:52] <hendaus> dr_willis:  i open a website, and in the picture shows:click to download plugin
[06:53] <david_> hendaus, there is a non-rpm binary on java's website
[06:53] <dr_willis> hendaus,  and 'click to download the plugin' is the WRONG way to install it system wide for kubuntu/ubuntu
[06:54] <dr_willis> im not even sure it would work for a single user. :)
[06:54] <david_> in general, getting java installed is confusing
[06:54] <hendaus> dr_willis: it is java runtime environment
[06:54] <david_> eg: i was able to install it enough for frostwire to load, but not enough to load the java test page
[06:55] <klobster> didn't SUN make a custom java for us *buntites?
[06:55] <dr_willis> hendaus,  i know what it is.. you dont want to 'click to install the plugin' it wont work that way.
[06:55] <dr_willis> hendaus,  you should use the package manager to install it from the deb packages.
[06:56] <hendaus> dr_willis: what is the name of this plugin to install it from adept
[06:56] <dr_willis> !java
[06:56] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:56] <dr_willis> sun-java5-jre    like the bot says. :) or is it java6 now?
[06:56] <dr_willis> !find java
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: gcj, gcj-4.1, gij, gij-4.1, java-common (and 272 others)
[06:56] <dr_willis> !find sun-java5-jre
[06:56] <ubotu> Found: sun-java5-jre
[06:56] <dr_willis> !info sun-java5-jre
[06:56] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-11-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 7287 kB, installed size 16168 kB
[06:56] <dr_willis> !info sun-java6-jre
[06:56] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-00-2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6176 kB, installed size 14148 kB
[06:56] <hitmanWilly> dr_willis: i think its 6 these days
[06:57] <dr_willis> hitmanWilly,  yea - thats what i was thinking also.
[06:57] <dr_willis> but imnot sure what the diffs are really
[06:57] <hitmanWilly> me neither
[06:57] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[07:00] <dr_willis> i can barely write helloworld.c
[07:00] <dr_willis> :)
[07:00] <ritalin> no package for opera?
[07:00] <dr_willis> actually i cant..
[07:00] <dr_willis> ritalin,  i think there maybe some at an unofficial repo..or get the deb from the oprea site
[07:00] <dr_willis> !oprea
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oprea - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <dr_willis> !opra
[07:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <ritalin> !opera
[07:01] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[07:02] <titanix88_> hendaus: me back.so how is ur feeling abt linux command line?
[07:05] <hendaus> titanix88 which linux command line ?
[07:05] <hendaus> dr_willis:  thanx, i am getting this sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[07:06] <titanix88_> hendaus: "man 1 intro" i'm talking about.
[07:06] <hendaus> dr_willis:  the second problem on me i cant getallfiles from my nokia 6230 cellphone
[07:06] <titanix88_> hendaus: why java?
[07:06] <hendaus> titanix88 yes its wonderful but i didnot finish yet
[07:06] <klobster> once you get the jre, how would I get swiftfox to use it?
[07:07] <dr_willis> it should see it when it loads up
[07:07] <hendaus> titanix88 java for opening images from website
[07:07] <titanix88_> hendaus: get it.
[07:07] <hendaus> dr_willis:  do u know about gnokii?
[07:08] <dr_willis> hendaus,  never heard of it
[07:08] <hendaus> titanix88 did u got the slution for me of --getallfiles?
[07:09] <hendaus> wb titanix88
[07:09] <hendaus> titanix88 did u got the slution for me of --getallfiles?
[07:11] <titanix88_> hendaus: no. maybe i can't it's out of my scope or ur phone doesn't support file transferring with gnokii.
[07:12] <hendaus> titanix88 no way ,but it is working with sending smsmessages and dialvoice
[07:13] <titanix88_> hendaus: that's good :)
[07:16] <titanix88_> CaptainApathy: they don't support dapper
[07:16] <titanix88_> CaptainApathy: >(
[07:16] <hgarcia> has anyone updated kde before?
[07:16] <hendaus> dr_willis:  ok done the sun java, and i try to refresh the website and the picture says click to install plugin
[07:17] <DaSkreech> I have updated before
[07:17] <hgarcia> is it hard?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> hgarcia: no
[07:17] <dr_willis> hendaus,  dont 'refresh' - CLOSE the browser
[07:17] <titanix88_> hendaus: restart the browser.
[07:18] <Ibraheem> how to change spaceing between icons
[07:18] <hgarcia> do you know any good websites that tell you step by step to update kde?
[07:19] <Noldoaran> CaptainApathy: awesome!
[07:19] <crimsun> hgarcia: update kde from what to what?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> hgarcia: What are you updating to?
[07:19] <hgarcia> I would like to get the lasted one
[07:19] <CaptainApathy> titanix88_: I didn't know they don't support dapper... but then again... I've been using feisty since the first release candidate or so...
[07:19] <crimsun> hgarcia: right, and did you follow the directions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php ?
[07:20] <hendaus> dr_willis:  it cannot open :(
[07:20] <titanix88_> CaptainApathy: it supports in a manner of alot of crash.
[07:20] <dr_willis> hendaus,  try some othe rsites with java
[07:20] <Ibraheem> how to increase decrease space between icons on file browser or desktop
[07:21] <titanix88_> hendaus: maybe u need to install flashplugin-nonfree package.
[07:21] <hgarcia> thanks for the website
[07:21] <CaptainApathy> titanix88_:  ouch
[07:21] <CaptainApathy> bye
[07:21] <dr_willis> hendaus, ya could post the url of that site
[07:24] <titanix88_> dr_willis: don't u think lack of flash plugin is causing this?
[07:25] <Ibraheem> how to increase decrease space between icons on file browser or desktop in kde
[07:25] <titanix88_> Ibraheem: kcontrolcenter->apperens->icons
[07:26] <titanix88_> hendaus:
[07:26] <Ibraheem> titanix88_ there is option to change icons size. but not spaces between them
[07:26] <hendaus> titanix88_:  iinstalled flashplugin, let me see now
[07:28] <hendaus> titanix88_:  it doesnot open :(
[07:28] <titanix88_> Ibraheem: despite so many features kde still lack some important one(like k submenu scrolling :(
[07:28] <Ibraheem> titanix88_ so what can i do. any opti?ons
[07:28] <titanix88_> hendaus: using konquerer?
[07:29] <titanix88_> Ibraheem: don't know.
[07:29] <Ibraheem> k
[07:30] <mendred> hi how does one speed up openoffice startup in kde?
[07:31] <titanix88_> hendaus: if konquerer then Settings->Configure Konquerer->Plugins->Scan for new plugins.
[07:32] <klobster> ibraheem: system settings => appearance/Icons: Advanced, then change size?
[07:33] <klobster> mendred: prelink or preload, thats about it, there may be a built in preloader in OO.org
[07:33] <Ibraheem> klobster no. thats icons size. i wnat to change space between icons
[07:33] <titanix88_> hendaus: also try installing "flashplayer-mozilla"
[07:34] <klobster> ibraheem: I am not sure that is an option I have seen on any DE...
[07:34] <hendaus> titanix88_:  when i click on the image it says that it needs : java runtime environment
[07:35] <Ibraheem> klobster whats the best file browser for kde?
[07:35] <klobster> IMO, Konqueror, for it's versatility.
[07:36] <klobster> but  pretty much use ls for that
[07:36] <titanix88_> hendaus: in Settings->Configure Konquerer->java&javascript enable tem both
[07:36] <klobster> ibraheem ^^
[07:37] <klobster> !opinion
[07:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opinion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:37] <klobster> worth a shot
[07:37] <Ibraheem> klobster ^ ?
[07:37] <klobster> ibraheem ^^ = see above for reply
[07:38] <Ibraheem> klobster Konqueror, for it's versatility.?
[07:39] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i have download java from here -> http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80
[07:39] <titanix88_> hendaus: tried that & restarted konq?
[07:40] <klobster> ibraheem yeah, it does web browsing, files, previews, full vews on text pdf pics, etc.  it's feature packed"
[07:40] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i did it, and it says on konqueror it nees to install the plugin
[07:40] <Ibraheem> klobster but it doesnt gives icon spacing option.
[07:40] <Ibraheem> klobster what are your views about dollphin?
[07:41] <titanix88_> hendaus : install sun-java5-jre from repository. it's lot more complicated to do the way u did.
[07:41] <klobster> ibraheem dunno yet
[07:42] <klobster> ibraheem to lazy to install it just to play critic
[07:42] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i did it, and the samething
[07:42] <hendaus> titanix88_:  now tell me how can i nstall this--> jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[07:43] <titanix88_> hendaus : or maybe install sun-java6-jre from repository.
[07:44] <hendaus> titanix88_:  i did it
[07:44] <hendaus> titanix88_: jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin <-- how can i install this
[07:44] <titanix88_> hendaus: ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin
[07:45] <titanix88_> hendaus sorry"bash ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin"
[07:46] <hendaus> titanix88_:  bash: ./jre-6u1-linux-i586.bin: No such file or directory
[07:47] <titanix88_> hendaus: where did u keep it (i asumed u were in home directory & u put that there)
[07:47] <hendaus> titanix88_:  ok now yes
[07:50] <hendaus> titanix88_:  :( the samething :(((
[07:50] <titanix88_> hendaus: installed & working?
[07:51] <titanix88_> hendaus: restart u computer(that's what they said in tha site)
[07:51] <titanix88_> sorry mean browser.
[07:52] <hendaus> titanix88_:  it says: click to install plugin
[07:53] <titanix88_> hendaus: rescaned ur plugins in konq?
[08:03] <RawSewage> you shouldnt have to install any .bin or do anything weird
[08:03] <RawSewage> usually if it's getting confusing, youre doing something wrong
[08:04] <RawSewage> if you're using Feisty , that is
[08:05] <titanix88_> RawSewage: but even installing from a .bin is not recommended in GNU/Linux they say u to compile from source :)
[08:06] <RawSewage> I never compile
[08:06] <RawSewage> I just use whats in the repos
[08:06] <RawSewage> Im boring
[08:07] <titanix88_> RawSewage: somtimes compiling works. but sometimes not. but most .bin works very good. i usually dload large games like 'battle for wesnoth ' in .bin cause they are updated than repos.
[08:08] <RawSewage> oh
[08:08] <RawSewage> but
[08:08] <DaSkreech> titanix88_: but they work from the repos :)
[08:08] <RawSewage> why cant you just use apt-get install
[08:09] <RawSewage> apt-cache search wesnoth
[08:09] <titanix88_> RawSewage: just "bash PATH/something.bin" & it installs checking everything.
[08:10] <DaSkreech> !info wesnoth
[08:10] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1937 kB, installed size 4396 kB
[08:10] <Joxam> hey, I need to be able to edit a document in console
[08:10] <Joxam> I forgot how
[08:10] <Joxam> and am drinking
[08:10] <Joxam> tell me
[08:11] <titanix88_> RawSewage: cause official packages maintainers r months behind original developers(so most of the time u install old versions)that's bad for games at least :)
[08:11] <RawSewage> ok
[08:11] <RawSewage> Ive never heard of that game. looks good
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Joxam: nano documentnamehere
[08:11] <DaSkreech> RawSewage: one of the best
[08:12] <RawSewage> hm
[08:12] <DaSkreech> titanix88_: it's not all that bad :)
[08:12] <titanix88_> RawSewage: somtimes u don't even need to bother about installing just ungip precompiled binary in a folder & it works like:blender 3d & Nexuiz
[08:12] <RawSewage> im listening to the FF II soundtrack now
[08:22] <Andrew``> I am trying to install Nvidia drivers but it says I have a GUI running and will need to stop it. How do I do that?
[08:22] <titanix88_> Everybody silent?
[08:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Andrew``: logout of KDE, log back in a fail safe terminal
[08:23] <Andrew``> ahh thanks Admiral_Chicago
[08:24] <Admiral_Chicago> np
[08:24] <titanix88_> Andrew``: trying from that .bin aren't u?
[08:25] <tahsin> can i get more softwares on adept installer ?
[08:25] <titanix88_> Andrew``: dont try it. it will probably brake the system.
[08:26] <sivaji2009> tahsin yes just add repo
[08:26] <tahsin> sivaji2009: how do i do taht?
[08:26] <tahsin> that
[08:27] <sivaji2009> tahsin : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[08:27] <user_> hi
[08:27] <user_> anyone there
[08:27] <user_> can i ask about soething
[08:27] <tahsin> thatsicaji2009: i think i already added repos
[08:27] <sivaji2009> !ask | user_
[08:27] <ubotu> user_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:27] <user_> ok
[08:27] <user_> lol
[08:28] <tahsin> thatsicaji2009: i have many softwares on adept manager but not too many on adept installer (add/remove programee)
[08:28] <user_> i download the live cd backtrac and when i boot it with my ubuntu,,,,it say unknow key work in config file,,could not find kerenel image?????????????
[08:29] <user_> the backtrack2 live cd
[08:29] <user_> ???
[08:31] <Andrew``> ok I tried installing it, but it came back with an error... says I need the libc header files. I tried to search through adept installer but it found nothing... can anyone help?
[08:33] <sivaji2009> Andrew`` what u tried to install
[08:33] <Andrew``> nvidia drivers
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia
[08:34] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:34] <user_> any help with that backtrack
[08:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Andrew``: maybe that link has better suppot...
[08:34] <user_> i lost my connnection here
[08:34] <user_> ubotu.....................
[08:35] <user_> u get my question?
[08:38] <klobster> user_ what is the question?
[08:38] <tahsin> klobster: i have many softwares on adept manager but not too many on adept installer (add/remove programee)
[08:38] <tahsin> klobster: how do i get more softwares on add/remove programme
[08:39] <klobster> tahsin is that two different questions?
[08:39] <tahsin> klobster: same question
[08:40] <klobster> oh, I see sorry i never used the add/remove programmes.  lets see (gimme a moment)
[08:41] <tahsin> klobster: sure
[08:44] <klobster> did you check the boxes for proprietary and unsupported software? did you select any suite?  that should do it...
[08:45] <tahsin> let me try
[08:45] <sivaji2009> !pastebin
[08:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:46] <tahsin> klobster: thanks now i have plenty
[08:47] <klobster> no prob
[08:56] <W1ZrD> Is there a program that easily converts from .mp3, to .wav in kubuntu?
[08:56] <titanix88> hendaus:
[08:57] <RawSewage> mp3 to wav
[08:57] <W1ZrD> RawSewage: yes
[08:58] <oliver_> hi, and good morning to all
[08:58] <RawSewage> W1ZrD, soundkonverter
[08:58] <titanix88> W1ZrD: install soundKonverter.it ROCKS!
[08:58] <titanix88> oliver_: good noon!
[08:58] <tahsin> W1ZrD: is there a network monitor applet for KDE ?
[08:58] <W1ZrD> RawSewage, titanix88, thank's, I'll take a look at it
[08:59] <W1ZrD> tahsin: yes, there is
[08:59] <tahsin> W1ZrD: how do i get it ?
[08:59] <oliver_> can someone help with to fix a boot problem ??
[09:00] <titanix88> W1ZrD: as far as i it supports at least 12 formats!!
[09:00] <tahsin> titanix88: how do i get a network monitor applet ?
[09:00] <titanix88> tahsin: in kubuntu?
[09:01] <tahsin> titanix88: YES !
[09:01] <ritalin> hey hey you you
[09:01] <ritalin> i could be your girlfriend
[09:02] <tahsin> titanix88: is it possible ?
[09:02] <titanix88> tahsin : add applet to panel system monitor. then u will have to configure it's graph.
[09:03] <DinK[UK] > tahsin: sudo apt-get install knemo
[09:03] <tahsin> titanix88: there is no system monitor
[09:04] <tahsin> let me try DinKUk
[09:04] <titanix88> tahsin: A Ksystem monitor no?
[09:04] <oliver_> can someone help to fix a boot problem ??
[09:04] <tahsin> titanix88: yup
[09:05] <rdallarmi> hi, I am running postfix chrooted and I am trying to do sasl authentication using authdeamond. I am getting the error: warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory. Authdeamond socket is (ubuntu) in /var/run/courier/authdeamond/socket I granted rwx permission trough all that path and linked /car/run/courier/authdeamond to /var/spool/postfix and specified
[09:05] <rdallarmi> authdaemond_path: /authdaemon/socket in smtpd.conf, but I got that error. It is bvious I am doing something wrong. Anybody has any idea?
[09:05] <titanix88> tahsin: actually ksys gaurd :)
[09:05] <computer> hello
[09:05] <tahsin> titanix88: oh lol
[09:06] <computer> how do i download a .deb file from konquerer without kate opening it up as text file...
[09:06] <sivaji2009> !ssh
[09:06] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[09:07] <computer> hi, how do i download a .deb file from konquerer without kate opening it up as text file...
[09:07] <computer> o nvm, save link as...
[09:09] <computer> hmm what are .deb files, can i execute them as a program?
[09:09] <titanix88> open ksysgaurd ->new worksheet->drop a network sensor from left sensor browser.
[09:10] <titanix88> computer: no u can't.
[09:11] <computer> titanix88 cool thx, good to know, do i extract the .deb file?
[09:12] <titanix88> computer: u can do that but will be no use(unless u r a package maintainer).u will have to install it.
[09:14] <W1ZrD> titanix88: I can't get the SoundKonverter to work
[09:15] <W1ZrD> titanix88: When I enter a .mp3 as source and .wav as Output, I never get the option to start the convert
[09:15] <W1ZrD> Sorry, I repeat that again..
[09:15] <ritalin> thank god DinK[UK]
[09:15] <W1ZrD> titanix88: When I enter a .mp3 as source and .wav as Output, I never get the option to start the convert
[09:15] <ritalin> i was worried sick
[09:15] <ritalin> ;)
[09:15] <DinK[UK] > :o
[09:17] <titanix88> W1ZrD:simple tab->add files
[09:17] <titanix88> W1ZrD: output format -> wav
[09:17] <computer> titanix88 hmm so how do i run the program from the .deb file, or how do i run the program at all
[09:18] <W1ZrD> titanix88: I have added the .mp3 source files, set an output directory for the .wav files, but the "start convert" is greyed out
[09:18] <titanix88> W1ZrD:out put will be in the songs directory(by default).
[09:19] <W1ZrD> titanix88: Do I need some plug-ins/codecs/magic before it works?
[09:20] <titanix88> computer: not every .deb contains runnable files & to install it graphically just by double clicking it, i recommend u install gdebi(although it's a kde channel :)
[09:20] <MrDigimon> How do i do to fix this error in WolfET:
[09:20] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <Admiral_Chicago> computer: in a konsole, cd Desktop (if its on the desktop) then do sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <W1ZrD> !pastebin < MrDigimon
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <titanix88> W1ZrD:settings->configure sount konverter ->En,decoder see if there is lame.
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: Please stop
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <titanix88> W1ZrD: for mp3.
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:21] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <felzix> Why does my bash script work fine from a terminal but not when I activate it in konqueror?
[09:22] <DinK[UK] > stop the spamming you wont get help that way!!
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Couldn't get a visual
[09:22] <MrDigimon> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (3)
[09:22] <MrDigimon> ----- CL_Shutdown -----
[09:22] <MrDigimon> RE_Shutdown( 1 )
[09:22] <MrDigimon> -----------------------
[09:22] <MrDigimon> ----- CL_Shutdown -----
[09:22] <MrDigimon> -----------------------
[09:22] <MrDigimon> Sys_Error: GLimp_Init() - could not load OpenGL subsystem
[09:22] <Darkkish> how do i upgrade from 6.06 to 7.04?
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !op
[09:22] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, or nixternal
[09:22] <MrDigimon> W1ZrD: i just asked why my comp does this when i try to play wolet
[09:22] <felzix> darkkish: there should be an upgrade option in adept_manager
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !upgrade > Darkkish
[09:22] <Darkkish> felzix: it's not working
[09:22] <Admiral_Chicago> Darkkish: check out that pm
[09:23] <titanix88> MrDigimon: don't u know about paste bin? >(
[09:23] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: you can you the PasteBin to paste large texts, so that you don't flood this channel
[09:23] <W1ZrD> Thank you dear lord ;)
[09:23] <felzix> darkkish: :(  sorry, but I can't help, then.  I just burned the CD when it came out 'cause I wanted a quick copy for later installations
[09:23] <DinK[UK] > :D
[09:23] <Hobbsee> good god.  read the frickign topic, else i'll shoot you.
[09:23] <Hobbsee> or i'll make mneptok do it.
[09:23] <RawSewage> lol
[09:24] <W1ZrD> Shooting Spammers (c) Hobbsee
[09:24] <Hobbsee> MrDigimon: before you enter a channel, please READ THE TOPIC.  It has USEFUL information in it that WILL help you.
[09:24] <titanix88> W1ZrD:working now?
[09:25] <W1ZrD> titanix88: I have the plugins, like lame, ogg, gogo, and so on...but still no joy
[09:25] <titanix88> MrDigimon using beryl?
[09:25] <MrDigimon> dont think so
[09:26] <titanix88> W1ZrD: it works for me !!
[09:26] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: you can join #kubuntu-fi or #ubuntu-fi if you want help in finnish
[09:26] <W1ZrD> titanix88: This is really weird, it should work, I can see that :)
[09:26] <MrDigimon> no thx, i dont speak finnish that good
[09:26] <computer> titanix88 and Admiral_Chicago thx for the tips, sorry was afk earlier
[09:27] <Hobbsee> yay, mneptok :)
[09:27] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: haha, ok, thought since your ISP was finnish :)
[09:27] <Admiral_Chicago> computer: np good luck.
[09:27] <MrDigimon> i speak swedish and english but im horrible at finnish lol
[09:28] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: Same here, even though I've studied finnish, it's horrible language to learn ;)
[09:28] <W1ZrD> Anyways, I'm off to bed, take care everyone
[09:28] <titanix88> W1ZrD: i know one wired problem when u select output to other than source directory.
[09:28] <W1ZrD> titanix88: yes?
[09:28] <sivaji2009> how to start shh server
[09:28] <sivaji2009> ssh
[09:28] <computer> i used dpkg on "envy" the program that installs nvidia drivers, it said: build-essential not installed, xserver-sorg-dev not installed, fakerroot not installed and a bunch of other stuff, where do i get these  to install =)
[09:29] <fdoving> computer: you can use aptitude or adept, for example. those are package names.
[09:29] <mneptok> computer: why not just use the repo drivers?
[09:29] <MrDigimon> is the swedish chatroom #kubuntu-se then or something like that
[09:29] <titanix88> W1ZrD; An output format to 'wav' not 'wv'
[09:29] <sivaji2009> how to start ssh server
[09:29] <W1ZrD> MrDigimon: Indeed it is
[09:29] <MrDigimon> ok
[09:29] <MrDigimon> thx
[09:29] <titanix88> MrDigimon: xmoto rocks!
[09:29] <computer> mneptok completely new picking up ubuntu again, forgot all of what i did b4 except it took a long time lol =) so looiing for shortcuts
[09:29] <mneptok> sivaji2009: just install it
[09:30] <MrDigimon> i know titanix88
[09:30] <mneptok> computer: System>Admin>Restricted drivels manager
[09:30] <mneptok> HA! "drivers"
[09:30] <computer> fdoving is there a typical single program that if i install would automatically install all those packages as prereques?
[09:30] <mneptok> *fab* typo, though
[09:30] <fdoving> computer: yes, but you don't want that.
[09:31] <titanix88> MrDigimon: only the engine sound seems like someones having a hard time in toilet :)
[09:31] <MrDigimon> lol
[09:31] <computer> fdoving so i have to type each package name, find it, and then tell adept to install right
[09:31] <mneptok> computer: System>Admin>Restricted drivers manager
[09:31] <Hobbsee> mneptok: it's kde
[09:31] <computer> mneptok o, cool
[09:31] <fdoving> computer: right, build-essential and xserver-xorg-dev
[09:31] <titanix88> MrDigimon: played Nexuiz?
[09:31] <MrDigimon> titanix88: maybe u could mod it so it sounds better
[09:31] <mneptok> Hobbsee: ah, right
[09:31] <MrDigimon> no i havent played
[09:31] <Hobbsee> mneptok: it doesnt exist.
[09:32] <computer> fdoving *shudders* o god lol, there's like 20 of them =)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: searching in adept and installing from there is the correct solution.
[09:32] <W1ZrD> titanix88: It doesn't matter if I want them as .ogg or .wav, the option to start the convert is constantly greyed out...so I give up for today and try it again next century
[09:32] <computer> mneptok yeah i use kde too, continue to do what u suggested right
[09:32] <mneptok> computer: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[09:32] <Hobbsee> mneptok: someone's writing one
[09:32] <fdoving> computer: it is? can you pastebin the error ?
[09:32] <titanix88> W1ZrD: see u.
[09:32] <computer> yeah
[09:32] <computer> !pastebin
[09:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:32] <W1ZrD> titanix88: thank's for the help though, take care..
[09:32] <Darkkish> My friend is having trouble upgrading from dapper to edgy for some reason
[09:32] <computer> just checking what the web address was
[09:32] <computer> one sec
[09:33] <computer> fdoving : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/23842/
[09:33] <titanix88> Darkkish: edgy is buggy tell her/him not to. upgrade dapper. it helped me a lot(it became faster)
[09:34] <fdoving> computer: ah, that error, 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[09:34] <computer> fdoving ah i guess not 20 of them, just the error message spanned more than 20 lines
[09:34] <Darkkish> titanix88: he has to upgrade to edgy in order to upgrade to feisty.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> dapper's kde is very outdated, and doesnt get the latest updates.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> and is not receiving updates
[09:34] <computer> cool
[09:34] <computer> what's the f flag do
[09:34] <computer> *typing* afk one sec
[09:34] <mneptok> Dapper's KDE is from 1927
[09:34] <fdoving> Hobbsee: dapper is still supported. it's LTS :)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> fdoving: sure, but we're not building the latest kde versions for it.  security fixes only.
[09:35] <computer> fdoving wow nice it should work now
[09:35] <fdoving> computer: yep, it should :)
[09:35] <fdoving> Hobbsee: correct :)
[09:35] <computer> fdoving i just installed edgy like 2 hrs ago, it's completely new as in nothing installed, is there other things like this i should get?
[09:36] <Darkkish> titanix88: he has to upgrade to edgy in order to upgrade to feisty.
[09:36] <mneptok> computer: yeah. Feisty. ;)