[12:54] <airtonix> wait.. waht? the translations doesn't use a version control repository??!?!!
[12:54] <airtonix> thjis is madness


[06:17] <Sarvatt> wrouesnel: how is radeon broken? do you mean fglrx? need more context there
[06:18] <wrouesnel> Sarvatt: radeon as in the open-source driver
[06:19] <Sarvatt> its broken for you? what release, what gpu, when did it start being broken?
[06:20] <Sarvatt> hows it broken, corruption or not working at all?
[06:20] <wrouesnel> Sarvatt: gpu is a cayman pro [radeon 6950]. the driver was broken on the last update to the xorg-edgers ppa
[06:21] <wrouesnel> Sarvatt: it's broken in the sense that the framebuffer driver initializes improperly (corrupted output on DVI) and launching Cinnamon (or any window manager that uses opengl) leads to a mangled display.
[06:22] <wrouesnel> changing settings like color tiling doesn't help at all, and (i'm guessing this is the bug report i put on launchpad) i get a lot of that message in ~/.xsession-errors when I try to start a display manager.
[06:22] <wrouesnel> launching in 2D mode (i.e. software opengl), things work fine.
[06:24] <Sarvatt> well you said that before the last update, there was another not long before you asked, but there haven't been any big changes in a few updates so thats weird. might be kernel update related but i'm not sure which release you're on, 12.10 is the only one that gets big kernel updates
[06:24] <wrouesnel> I can confirm that "*ERROR* Invalid register 0x8040 in CS" is fixed by the kernel patch I linked, but I still get total display corruption / improperly working framebuffer drivers.
[06:24] <Sarvatt> ah so might be mesa related, gotcha
[06:24] <wrouesnel> also I was running the kernel from the ppa
[06:25] <wrouesnel> <IP_ADDRESS>-15 I believe (I since downgraded everything from the ppa so I could have a usable system again).
[06:25] <Sarvatt> 3.8 will be in there very soon which should have any patch you might have linked in it
[06:26] <Sarvatt> best to stick with quantal kernels in the meantime
[06:26] <wrouesnel> yeah my own digging seemed to indicate that there's been a lot of development to radeon/drm that's slated for 3.8
[06:26] <Sarvatt> sorry about the trouble :(
[06:27] <wrouesnel> it's fine. I wouldn't run it if I wasn't looking for the learning exercise
[06:28] <wrouesnel> what i did discover is that apt hates downgrades, but is very happy to "upgrade" to a lower versioned number, which was how I eventually purged the ppa without apt trying to uninstall my entire system.
[06:28] <Sarvatt> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/3.8-rc2-raring/ is whats going in as soon as blobs get updated to work with it
[06:29] <Sarvatt> apt tried to screw you over even with xorg-edgers ppa-purge version? i uploaded one there that should be ok
[06:30] <Sarvatt> ppa-purge 0.2.8+bzr57+edgers1~quantal actually works here
[06:30] <wrouesnel> hm I may have missed that one. anyway, just pinning the quantal repos to highest priority worked perfectly for me.


[01:18] <greg-g> rick_h_: http://opensourcebridge.org/2011/wiki/Inviting_Contributors_to_Open_Source_Webdev_through_Virtualization
[02:45] <jrwren> damn... trying to make heads or tails of bookie, but I'm a clueless n00b
[02:56] <rick_h_45> what part jrwren?
[02:59] <rick_h_45> greg-g will check it out thanks
[12:46] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:46] <rick_h_droid> party
[12:49] <rick_h_droid> phew fun drive
[12:50] <rick_h_droid> snap-l. if you see jrwren can you check on his bookie issue from last night please?
[12:50] <rick_h_droid> I didn't catch him between stops
[12:55] <brousch> rick_h_ did you see the manning deal of the day?
[12:56] <rick_h_droid> no, not hit rss today
[12:57] <rick_h_droid> oh,  only via email!?
[12:57] <brousch> maybe
[12:57] <brousch> machine learning in action
[12:57] <rick_h_droid> What is it?
[12:58] <rick_h_droid> lol
[12:58] <brousch> and mahout in action
[12:58] <brousch> i think they spy on your conversations to decide the next deal of the day
[12:59] <rick_h_droid> they must
[12:59] <brousch> oh, it's both of them for $35. blah
[12:59] <brousch> you on the road?
[13:00] <rick_h_droid> yea,  just rolled in
[13:00] <rick_h_droid> will be in/out for a few
[13:00] <brousch> ah, Apache's Mahout is scalable machine learning libraries
[13:01] <brousch> actually it sounds like what you were talking about yesterday
[13:03] <brousch> recommendation mining, clustering, classification, frequent item mining
[13:10] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: Will do
[13:50] <snap-l> Damn you, Ben!
[13:51] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/#!/Daeniken/statuses/84241786968608768
[13:55] <snap-l> brousch: ^^
[13:57] <brousch> ahahahahahahah
[13:57] <brousch> alive and tweeting!
[13:58] <snap-l> Looks like it's some retweeting bot, though
[13:58] <snap-l> Just put his name in there, and it'll retweet it
[13:58] <brousch> now you're on alien-invented his radar
[13:58] <brousch> whoa, word scramble
[13:58] <brousch> mine didn't get retweeted
[13:59] <brousch> oh, but i replied, didn't i
[13:59] <snap-l> That whole series is cathartic. I don't yell at the TV as much as I yell at it during those shows
[13:59] <snap-l> Just put his name in there, and it'll repost it verbatim
[13:59] <snap-l> Which is actually dumb, but gives me an idea... ;)
[14:00] <brousch> do not abuse the von danniken auto-retweet bot!
[14:26] <jrwren> rick_h_: bookie... i was looking for a feature similar to delicous's smart bookmarks, but didn't see that exactly, so i figured it could write it... but didn't see a way to add a bookmark from website, so its plugin only, so I looked through plugin source and my JS sucks so I got lost. I'll try again soon.
[15:57] <brousch> rick_h_ someone is poking at starting a vim group in GR
[16:03] <snap-l> brousch: that's pretty cool
[16:25] <Scott_firebeta> brousch: that's something I would go to
[16:28] <brousch> are there really enough topics for a whole group around it?
[16:28] <brousch> sounds like an excuse to drink beer and dis emacs
[16:35] <_stink_> sold
[16:39] <binbrain> brousch: I've been using vim for 10 years now, and I'm still tweaking it ;)
[16:40] <_stink_> wait wait
[16:40] <_stink_> FF5?
[16:40] <_stink_> wtf is the story with this?
[16:40] <_stink_> it just showed up in the lucid FF ppa.
[16:40] <brousch> _stink_: d00d that's so 2 days ago
[16:41] <brousch> try to keep up
[16:41] <_stink_> note that i don't follow any feeds or anything.
[16:41] <_stink_> i just rely on you guys
[16:41] <brousch> FF5 is out
[16:41] <_stink_> like release release?
[16:41] <brousch> yep
[16:42] <_stink_> wtf
[16:45] <_stink_> i'm uncomfortable with this pace of progress
[16:46] <brousch> then move to debian!
[16:46] <Scott_firebeta> didn't they already drop support for FF4?
[16:47] <_stink_> as long as my extensions work, no big deal
[16:47] <_stink_> but if my extensions don't work, DIE
[16:47] <_stink_> also
[16:47] <_stink_> the bookie extension is now behind even more :(
[16:49] <_stink_> wait, maybe it's ok
[16:49] <_stink_> yep
[16:49] <_stink_> phew
[16:50] <brousch> heh
[16:50] <jrwren> FF is doing the chrome pace.
[16:50] <jrwren> i welcome it. it does feel a little snappier, but aht might because I reduced me tab count
[17:23] <Wolfger> brousch: drink beer and dis emacs? I'm in! :-D
[17:23] <brousch> make it so
[17:39] <rick_h_droid> Blazeix ping
[17:45] <rick_h_droid> jrwren tea, and no way to add via web yet
[17:45] <rick_h_droid> we needed the auto bits
[17:46] <rick_h_droid> to add we need new controller methods in views/bmarks. py
[17:46] <rick_h_droid> current the extension uses the bookie. api. js to call views/api. py
[17:47] <rick_h_droid> there are tests demonstrating that in test_api/__init__. py
[17:49] <rick_h_droid> jrwren what is "smart bookmarks"?
[17:57] <jrwren> http://www.delicious.com/help/savebuttons  <-- little "bookmarks" that are javascript:blah(); that redir to the site to let you add the page you are on.
[17:57] <jrwren> nice thing is, works in every browser.
[18:02] <rick_h_droid> ah, and bookmarklet
[18:02] <rick_h_droid> tea, coffee on the top now that we have auth
[18:02] <rick_h_droid> I want it bad for my android browser
[18:03] <rick_h_droid> lol, and bad keyboard
[18:03] <rick_h_droid> it's in the coming soon list
[18:04] <rick_h_droid> https://bmark.us/admin/tags/bookmarklet
[18:10] <rick_h_> yay, wifi
[18:11] <rick_h_> brousch: awesome with the vim group
[18:13] <rick_h_> greg-g: cool on the slides from lmorchard
[18:13] <rick_h_> definitely something I've thought about and want to get to
[18:14] <rick_h_> I've read some chef/puppet but not there yet
[18:14] <rick_h_> but think getting close
[18:14] <rick_h_> all comes down to time :/
[20:35] <snap-l> I <3 it when someone asks me questions about systems that are essentially black boxes to me
[20:35] <snap-l> ie: what account I'm using between two machines
[20:36] <snap-l> when I have nothing to do with either of those machines
[21:02] <snap-l> yay, found an extension to reload a page every x number of seconds
[21:02] <snap-l> That'll come in handy for a certain forum that keeps logging me off after no re-loads.
[21:03] <snap-l> Also, Wrox books are now available on O'Reilly
[21:04] <snap-l> unfortunately, the appear to be around list-price for the paperback.
[21:05] <snap-l> Oh, sorry, they're a little bit cheaper.
[21:11] <snap-l> http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/24/mongohq-raises-417k-from-y-combinator-lehrer-and-sv-angel/
[21:11] <snap-l> I am in the wrong fucking business
[21:12] <snap-l> I need to come up with some new way to lose data so I can get my start-up funding
[21:19] <Blazeix> rick_h_: hey
[21:19] <brousch> devnull storage systems
[21:26] <rick_h_> Blazeix: you ever get tethering to android wifi mode working on arch?
[21:26] <rick_h_> tried ad-hoc mode and such with no luck getting an address
[21:32] <Blazeix> rick_h_: no I haven't. But my only attempts have been half-hearted attempts at CHC.
[21:32] <rick_h_> ok, just checking
[21:32] <rick_h_> found some wifi, but seemed odd when I couldn't get it up
[21:57] <snap-l> Lead Recruiter - Pre IPO Start Up at Barracuda Networks
[21:58] <snap-l> Wow, this just sounds like a reall douchey title to me
[21:58] <snap-l> as indicated you are a person they've done business with at Barracuda Networks
[21:58] <snap-l> I am the lead recruiter at Barracuda Networks. I came across your profile and noticed that you have a strong technical background as a developer. We are currently looking for someone with similar skills. Please feel free to get in touch with me if you are interested
[22:04] <devinheitmueller> "strong technical background as a developer" constitutes "similar skills"?
[22:05] <devinheitmueller> Yes, I always try to hire developers with strong technical backgrounds, but that doesn't mean every developer who has one is appropriate for the positions I am hiring?
[22:05] <devinheitmueller> I hear you are a detail oriented employee.  My company needs those!
[22:13] <snap-l> Yeah, I love those
[22:13] <snap-l> So generic
[22:14] <snap-l> That was part of the reason I deleted my Dice account
[22:14] <snap-l> if I start getting the same kind of cold-call stuff, I'll likely ditch my linkedin account as well
[22:14] <snap-l> feeling quite anti-social today.


[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted connman [amd64] (noble-proposed) [1.42-3]
[00:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted qnetload [amd64] (noble-proposed) [1.3.6-1]
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[07:20] <artur> Hello, can someone help to review this SRU ticket? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/2042902
[07:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2042902 in OEM Priority Project "ucm2: soundwire: add rt713 SDCA device" [Critical, In Progress]
[07:56] <tjaalton> artur: you need a sponsor first
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> tjaalton, sponsored again
[10:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alsa-ucm-conf (mantic-proposed/main) [1.2.9-1ubuntu3 => 1.2.9-1ubuntu3.1] (core)
[11:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected alsa-ucm-conf [source] (mantic-proposed) [1.2.9-1ubuntu4]
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[11:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alsa-ucm-conf [source] (jammy-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1.9]
[12:13] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
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[11:04] <Wobbo> Hey all, i need help installing Chromium in 16.04. All the help pages to get Chromium working in 15.04.


[01:17] <jose__> hola
[01:17] <jose__> alguien m lee?
[01:33] <paydro> ?
[05:24] <IrcsomeBot1> r00fz was added by: r00fz
[06:32] <MrSassyPants> New problem: X/KDE start before sound drivers are fully loaded. Is there a thing somewhere I can set to start the X stuff reliably AFTER all the other stuff?
[06:35] <diogenes_> MrSassyPants, sddm.service is responsible for startimg X.
 MrSassyPants, sddm.service is responsible for startimg X.
[06:47] <andre_> \o/ juhu ich bin in #kubuntu \o/
[06:48] <andre_> oh, sorry for the german :(
 hi everyone, please give me advise how to solve the grub rescue problem.I have ssd and hdd  win10 and kubuntu. whenever i turn on my pc i am facing with grub rescue. Thanks
[06:52] <diogenes_> marmasou, where's the preface of the story?
 @diogenes_, since i remove my kubuntu and install again i face with this problem.
[06:58] <diogenes_> marmasou, how you removed Kubuntu?
 @diogenes_, by bootable flash menory  … system boot
[07:01] <diogenes_> marmasou, did you create an efi partition when installing Kubuntu?
 Huh, this problem again
 @diogenes_, yes. i did
[07:04] <diogenes_> marmasou, type: ls
[07:04] <diogenes_> see what you get.
 my root partition is  (hd1,msdos5)
[07:08] <diogenes_> ls (hd1,msdos5)/boot
[07:13] <user|6395> Helloo everyone
[07:16] <user|6395> I have an hp laptop with dual boot. But yesterday hp came change my mother board.. And I lost my dual boot. That was weird because at the first launch I saw the grub.. I tried to go in the bios and launch Linux but I don't see it. Somebody can help me?
[07:16] <IrcsomeBot1> Kiran was added by: Kiran
 How to repair my laptop?
[07:18] <diogenes_> user|6395, but can you even boot anything?
[07:19] <user|6395> It boot windows automatically
[07:20] <diogenes_> user|6395, see if Linux partitions are still there.
[07:20] <user|6395> I saw with a Linux disk reader from windows and I still saw thrm
[07:22] <diogenes_> user|6395, you can write on usb some grub rescue utilities, boot that and reinstall grub.
 Uhm i installed a kernel, when i boot i cant see grub, it directly boot into kubuntu,  whill booting  it show kubuntu icon and than a blank screen with few errors
 Im unable to boot into grub boot loader, so that i could  change kernel
[07:27] <user|6395> Like super grub2disk? I'm searching on internet but not sure..
[07:27] <diogenes_> Kiran, hold shift key down while booting.
[07:29] <diogenes_> user|6395, MX Linux has an easy tool to recover grub so you can install  MX on the USB or DVD.
[07:34] <user|6395> So I can recover grub with an other Linux? Because I already have a kubuntu usb
[07:35] <diogenes_> yes you can, even technically with Kubuntu but it's way more complicated (for new users).
[07:36] <diogenes_> so better go the easy way.
[07:38] <Kurozen> Hello
[07:39] <Kurozen> So everything I install with Muon is treated as user or system-wide?
[07:45] <user|6395> I'm sorry for stupid questions : for the creation of the USB, I use Rufus. I just stay everything default and start?
[07:48] <diogenes_> user|6395, yeah use rufus but in DD mode.
[07:58] <user|6395> OK I boot on the usb
[07:58] <user|6395> Go in the boot rescue menus
[08:03] <user|6395> Did it! Thank you!!
[08:03] <diogenes_> user|6395, did it fix?
[08:04] <pearos> hello
[08:04] <pearos> whats up
[08:04] <user|6395> I Lauch the old grub, lunch Linux and from there I think I can Re grub no?
[08:08] <diogenes_> user|6395, after you ran MX Linux boot repair utility, you just need to reboot and it should give you the usual grub menu where you choose which system to boot.
[08:10] <user|6395> So I think I choose the wrong option aha
[08:10] <user|6395> Didn't work when I restart
[08:13] <user|6395> There is : find efi bootloader, find grub menu, find windows bootloaders and reboot
[08:13] <diogenes_> try: find efi bootloader
[08:14] <user|6395> Yeah it find them
[08:15] <user|6395> Boot Ubuntu, boot no label (USB I think?) and boot Microsoft and 3 boot fallback
[08:16] <user|6395> Now do I boot one of them or just restart?
[08:16] <diogenes_> try boot ubuntu
[08:17] <user|6395> It launch the grub for Ubuntu and windows like before
[08:18] <diogenes_> go to Kubuntu and see if it boots.
[08:20] <user|6395> Yes it Launch with everything like before
[08:21] <diogenes_> now open a terminal.
[08:21] <user|6395> Yep
[08:21] <diogenes_> run: sudo update-grub
[08:22] <user|6395> Done
[08:22] <diogenes_> see if it finds windows
[08:22] <user|6395> Yep
[08:22] <user|6395> Restart?
[08:23] <diogenes_> now turn off PC, remove the usb and start the PC.
[08:23] <diogenes_> see if all works.
[08:26] <user|6395> Snif, it started windows automatically
[08:27] <diogenes_> ok go back to MX, boot Kubuntu.
[08:27] <diogenes_> tell me when you're on Kubuntu.
[08:28] <user|6395> I'm there
[08:29] <diogenes_> on Kubuntu?
[08:30] <user|6395> Yes
[08:30] <diogenes_> in terminal run: lsblk
[08:31] <diogenes_> is / on sda?
[08:32] <user|6395> No, only sda1 in std
[08:32] <diogenes_> so / is sda1?
[08:33] <user|6395> No, no mountpoint
[08:33] <user|6395> All the / in nvme0n1
[08:35] <diogenes_> user|6395, run: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:35] <diogenes_> share the url.
[08:35] <user|6395> Try to download boot-repair?
[08:37] <user|6395> https://termbin.com/qe9h6
[08:39] <diogenes_> sudo grub-install /dev/nvme0n1
[08:40] <diogenes_> see if it reports any errors.
[08:40] <user|6395> 0 error
 Make sure only one drive is connected
[08:40] <user|6395> Installation done
[08:41] <diogenes_> ok now turn off PC and you know...
[08:44] <user|6395> OK I have the grub back
[08:44] <user|6395> I'll do some test but I thinks it's all done
[08:44] <user|6395> Thank you very much diogenes
[08:45] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[10:11] <IrcsomeBot1> Agnolo Britt-Marie was added by: Agnolo Britt-Marie
[11:30] <austin> Im using crouton
 Hey guys! I am on Kubuntu 20.04 and have weird keyboard issues lately. When typing I get two kinds of malfunctions: sometimes letters I definitely typed are skipped in the text and sometimes a letter or other keystroke is repeated many times. That happens with a wired HP keyboard and a newly bought noname wireless keyboard. Weird is that a logitech k400+ wireless keyboard does not seem to have this problem. Any ideas what could be
[11:53] <IrcsomeBot1> the problem?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:59] <IrcsomeBot1> anonymous_dood249 was added by: anonymous_dood249
 After installing kubuntu  … i got struck at kubuntu welcome screen … I retried installing..same issue occurs again and again😕
[13:06] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu release?
 20.04.1 lts
[13:33] <BluesKaj> login to the VT/TTY with ctl+alt+F3, then login with your username and pw at the prompt, then, sudo apt update;sudo apt upgrade ...if there were any updates and upgrades, reboot
 Okay I'm gonna Install again.. … I'll try it.. … Thank You For Your support
[13:54] <BluesKaj> no need to install again , just run those commands
[15:19] <sokonana> Test
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[16:46] <Malsasa> \
[16:46] <Malsasa> Hello, Kubuntu Community!
[16:46]  * Malsasa is using Kubuntu right now
[17:28] <ludste> Uptime: 11 minutes
[17:29] <ludste> Sysinfo for 'ludger-ThinkPad': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.18.5 on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS (Focal Fossa) powered by Linux 5.4.0-54-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300U CPU @ 2.60GHz at 2491-3186/3500 MHz, RAM: 2918/19901 MB, Storage: 32/141 GB, 200 procs, 0.21h up
[17:35] <ludste> hallo, hab 'ne Frage zu NFS :-)
[17:44] <GREATGRANDBOSS> Hello
[17:45] <GREATGRANDBOSS> Anyone
[17:45] <GREATGRANDBOSS> Hello
[17:47] <GREATGRANDBOSS> Hellooooooooo
[17:49] <IrcsomeBot1> SUSANNA Janis was added by: SUSANNA Janis
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[21:07] <austin> doe anyone know how to ubuntu on ARM64 chromebook?


[00:14] <charlie-tca> !grub | Error404NotFound
[00:14] <ubot2> Error404NotFound: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)
[00:15] <Error404NotFound> i fixed it
[00:15] <Error404NotFound> thanks
[00:15] <Error404NotFound> now if i can make it not boot that
[00:16] <Error404NotFound> im not dul booting anymore
[00:16] <Error404NotFound> dual
[00:16] <Error404NotFound> stil has option to load win 7 though
[00:16] <Error404NotFound> oh fs i didnt fix it
[00:16] <Error404NotFound> back to grub rescue now
[09:12] <kristian-aalborg> greetings, ubuntu-beginners
[09:12] <kristian-aalborg> arch or debian for ancient laptops? :D
[09:21] <M0hi> kristian-aalborg: ancient = ? intel P1 processors?
[09:22]  * M0hi waits for kristian-aalborg
[09:24] <kristian-aalborg> M0hi, P1, yes
[09:25] <kristian-aalborg> 128 megs of memory
[09:25] <kristian-aalborg> I tried Debian and it's okay... but would Arch be better you think?
[09:25] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, recycling, scrapping to be honest
[09:25] <bioterror> arch :D
[09:25] <bioterror> hahaha
[09:25] <M0hi> lol bioterror
[09:25] <bioterror> gsus
[09:26] <bioterror> recycle that piece of hazardous waste
[09:26] <bioterror> it's worthless
[09:26] <M0hi> kristian-aalborg: dont ask him. I think LXDE will do the trick. Its a light weight OS
[09:26] <bioterror> hahaha sure you do mohi
[09:27]  * M0hi stares at bioterror
[09:27] <bioterror> M0hi, you can begin with Lubuntu taking 120MB of RAM on boot
[09:27] <bioterror> just plain Openbox uses what, ~80MB of rAM
[09:27] <bioterror> and then again you have old harddrive with poor performance
[09:27] <bioterror> and cpu that can do nothing
[09:27] <bioterror> sure it was great machine around 1995
[09:28] <bioterror> maybe before
[09:28] <M0hi> bioterror: what about minimal install ?
[09:28] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, 32bit Arch is i686, your hazardous waste computer asking for scrapping is i586
[09:29] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror, it's fun to play with
[09:29] <bioterror> yes, install DOS 6.22 and play with it
[09:30] <bioterror> RAPTOR should run smoothly, so does Jack JAzz Rabbit
[09:30] <bioterror> Jazz Jack Rabbit, it was
[09:30] <kristian-aalborg> it's a 1997 model
[09:30] <kristian-aalborg> I had doom running on it pretty good, actually
[09:30] <bioterror> you could play doom with 386DX33
[09:33] <bioterror> I really cant understand why people glorifys old x86 hardware
[09:33] <bioterror> I can understand Atari ST, Amiga 1200 and up and C64
[09:34] <kristian-aalborg> it's a learning experience - you're forced to be effective
[09:34] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror, this is a Thinkpad, mind you... as much lore and quality as any other machine
[09:34] <bioterror> I've scrapped lots of thinkpad
[09:34] <bioterror> and my first stinkpad was 560Z
[09:34] <bioterror> and that's recycled too :D
[09:35] <bioterror> horrible 800x600 resolution
[09:36] <kristian-aalborg> this one's got 1024x768
[09:37] <bioterror> as this is ubuntu and not xubuntu or lubuntu channel, I can say that anything below Core2Duo is junk and should be scrapped :D
[09:42] <kristian-aalborg> bbl, have to change monitor
[13:32] <s-fox> Hello.
[14:19] <stlsaint> compiledkernel: HEYO
[14:40] <compiledkernel> stlsaint: Lo
[14:42] <s-fox> Hello stlsaint & compiledkernel
[14:42] <compiledkernel> Fox.
[14:42] <s-fox> Anything new?
[14:42] <compiledkernel> Not really.
[14:43] <compiledkernel> You?
[14:43] <s-fox> Just the usual real life junk
[14:43] <compiledkernel> Ce la vie.
[14:43]  * s-fox nods
[14:44] <stlsaint> s-fox: chello D:
[14:44] <stlsaint> :D
[14:44] <stlsaint> sorry
[14:44] <stlsaint> compiledkernel: how you been? long time no see
[14:45] <compiledkernel> Overworked. Underpaid. Life constantly changing. You stlsaint
[14:46] <s-fox> That sounds like a copy of my life.
[14:47] <compiledkernel> Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
[14:48] <s-fox> I am not sure t is worth all the agro.
[14:48]  * s-fox shrugs
[14:49] <compiledkernel> Indeed fox.
[14:50] <stlsaint> compiledkernel: still deployed to kuwait, hating it
[14:51] <compiledkernel> En Kuwait isn't afghan.
[14:51] <stlsaint> true
[16:14] <zkam> hello?
[16:16] <holstein> zkam: o/
[19:48] <anubis_7> Hello, how to easy update the manual installed software (make install) ? somethink like "apt-get upgrade"
[20:16] <nit-wit> bodhi_zazen, can I have a pm convesation with you.
[20:17] <nit-wit> *conversation that is, lol
[21:49] <Jon_N|A> Hi there! How can a figure out what are my HDD's partitions attributes in hd(x.x) format? Is there a software for it?


[03:49] <ShawnR> anyone here messed around with cinelerra video editor? i'm having export issues :(
[22:39] <ShawnR> anyone know how much diff working in solaris is vs linux?
[22:49] <rmcbride> Mainly different in the way shell works, and the complete lack of availability of most FOSS tools
[22:49] <rmcbride> it's been about 4 years since I've done any Solaris.
[22:51] <rmcbride> Years ago, I would have used it at home in some capacity because occasionally work would get rid of perfectly servicable hardware. These days I wouldn't do anything with Solaris unless work requirements called for it
[22:51] <rmcbride> Network interface names are somewhat different by default
[22:51] <ShawnR> well, i'm trying to find a job and was wondering how much i'd need to learn to go from linux to solaris
[22:52] <rmcbride> You could pick the differences up pretty quickly I think
[22:52] <rmcbride> most of the real differences are command line switches and some of the init and networking. It's like learning a new dialect really
[22:53] <rmcbride> Now that Oracle owns Sun, FOSS support is even less than it used to be, but that's probably not a concern if it's for work
[23:08] <ShawnR> thanks for the info, i know i don't have to really shy away from solaris jobs
[23:12] <rmcbride> You're quite welcome. Good luck!
[23:13] <ShawnR> thanks.  you don't know of any sites that are good at providing good jobs dealing with unix in NE FL, do ya?
[23:46] <rmcbride> Not really, no. I'm in Central FL and about to relocate to SE florida. I would say the usual, Linkedin/Dice/Monster
[23:46] <rmcbride> would give a good idea anyhow


[05:50] <highvoltage> @schedule
[05:50] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 10 Oct 12:00: Forum Council | 10 Oct 16:00: QA Team | 11 Oct 15:00: Community Development Team | 16 Oct 16:00: Kernel Team | 17 Oct 16:00: QA Team | 23 Oct 16:00: Kernel Team


[19:14] <wrst> Unit193: #3
[19:14] <Unit193> wrst: You sure do have 3, but good luck trying to annoy. :D
[19:15] <wrst> Oh I haven't even started...
[19:15] <wrst> oh speaking of annoying someone I haven't annoyed Omnifrog|laptop lately
[19:15] <wrst> how you doing ?
[19:15] <Unit193> I may be alive.
[19:16] <wrst> well I was referring to Omnifrog|laptop Unit193 but I had gathered you were alive, or a bot ;)


[03:03] <mseney> i think there might be a bug with the serpentine 0.6.91-0ubuntu4 and would like to know if anyone else here uses it?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> mseney: please file it.
[03:07] <mseney> didn't want to file it unless i knew someone else has the same issue
[03:09] <Hobbsee> we can always reject it if no one confirms it
[03:11] <mseney> okay..
[03:12] <bddebian> Make sure it's not filed already ;-)
[03:12] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:13] <Hobbsee> hey bddebian
[03:15] <mseney> yeah i was searching on malone and didn't see one there for it
[02:34] <merlin-linux> happy new year all
[03:43] <Shadow42> Interesting bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/77555
[03:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77555 in ubiquity "Grub is not a boot manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[04:00] <dthacker> after seeing 4 bugs for ubiquity in the last 24 hours,  I wonder if we could get it to put a version number in traceback.
[04:01] <Shadow42> I'm not entirely sure if that's a bug or not
[04:01] <dthacker> I'm not either, but a version number would help .....
[04:01] <Shadow42> mm
[04:02] <Shadow42> Wait, is that even related to Ubiquity?
[04:03] <dthacker> I'm not sure,  I thought thought the package was being suggested to the end users
[04:03] <dthacker> by the installer
[04:04] <Shadow42> But the problem he's referring to is that menu.lst isn't updated, because the system doesn't notice the updated kernel on the Fedora partition
[04:32] <dthacker> ubugtu: bug #77427
[04:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77427 in gnome-volume-manager "faulty channel mappings on Intel ICH6" [Undecided,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/77427
[04:32] <dthacker> This looks like a sound bug.  Should I try and find the sound manager, or change the package to desktop....
[04:32] <dthacker> ?
[05:12] <Shadow42> dthacker: I'd wait for the sound manager to come back
[05:51] <Laibsch> Hi, is bug 47274 expected behaviour?  mozilla-acroread depends on mozilla-browser and thus keeps galeon installed, it seems.  It also appears that the reporter has another mozilla-browser installed which *could* satisfy the requirement?  I believe this works as expected but wanted to confirm before closing the bug.
[05:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47274 in aptitude "automatically installed package is not deinstalled" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47274
[08:15] <CarlFK> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/yaboot.conf
[08:15] <CarlFK> ## This yaboot.conf is for hd-media booting only
[08:16] <CarlFK> why is it in netboot/ ?
[08:16] <CarlFK> or, is the # just wrong ?


[03:34] <vishu> why a class has only one super class?
[08:40] <gemini88888> hi there is someone ?
[08:40] <nthykier> gemini88888: Yes, though we cannot help with java-coding stuff
[08:40] <gemini88888> it's not a problem code for me
[08:41] <nthykier> alright, lets hear it
[08:41] <gemini88888> wanna just know something about my jre6 and annexe jdk
[08:41] <gemini88888> it's ok for you ?
[08:43] <nthykier> go ahead and ask - I did not mean to scare you from asking; it is just that most people coming here should have been in ##java :)
[08:43] <gemini88888> thanks ^^
[08:43] <gemini88888> i develop on eclipse, jre6 is my java runtime environnement, i try to develop for a mobile applet
[08:44] <gemini88888> i had download an sdk for it, but in eclipse ... there is like unfounded sdk environnement
[08:45] <nthykier> unfounded sdk environment?
[08:46] <gemini88888> yes, like microedition tool imputed in my sdk but not available in my eclipse (like a jre6 parameter only)
[08:47] <gemini88888> microedition isn't situated in jre6
[08:48] <gemini88888> *** very cool to chat about it with someone ***
[08:48] <nthykier> I am not sure if Ubuntu have any ME jre's - I do not recall seeing any of them
[08:49] <nthykier> which jre6 do you use? openjdk?
[08:49] <gemini88888> i use windows 7, and put my browser path for sdk in my windows environnement CLASSPATH
[08:49] <gemini88888> i use JDK 1.0.0_18 (the last one) and JRE6
[08:50] <gemini88888> i use JDK 1.6.0_18 (the last one) and JRE6
[08:50] <gemini88888> ** mistake **
[08:50] <gemini88888> JDK and JRE6 are in different folder
[08:51] <gemini88888> SDK 1.1.2 is in another too
[08:51] <nthykier> gemini88888: technically we do not have anything to do with Windows; though I suppose we could run into to people trying to do the same on Ubuntu. Who provided your JRE/JDK? sun?
[08:51] <nthykier> it may be referred to as the "vendor"
[08:52] <gemini88888> JRE/JDK ... yes i think it is sun because it was the official java website download
[08:53] <gemini88888> SDK was an alter installation's option of Java instalation (like Java ME)
[08:53] <gemini88888> u_u it was Java ME
[08:53] <nthykier> gemini88888: Have you tried to download java ME from http://developers.sun.com/downloads/
[08:54] <gemini88888> yes of course, then SDK folder was built by Java ME instalation
[08:55] <gemini88888> but :s in eclipse, it's like 2 roads jre6 and nothing else
[08:56] <gemini88888> the second road should be the SDK but it isn't work
[08:56] <nthykier> gemini88888: you can add more JREs to eclipse under Windows -> Preferences and then go to java-> installed JRE
[08:56] <gemini88888> i full re-install 3 times
[08:56] <gemini88888> i check for it
[08:57] <nthykier> Window*
[08:58] <gemini88888> ok, i'm at Preference > installed JREs
[08:58] <nthykier> There should be an "Add"
[08:58] <gemini88888> ok
[08:58] <gemini88888> *** wanna install Java ME ***
[08:59] <gemini88888> there is 3 option
[08:59] <nthykier> yeah, try the Standard VM
[08:59] <gemini88888> ok
[08:59] <nthykier> and give it the path to the folder where your ME java is installed
[09:00] <gemini88888> 5 secondes
[09:00] <gemini88888> there where i am
[09:01] <gemini88888> i pointed about my SDK folder, then it said to me than it is not a JRE root folder, i point on JDK folder and it ... match
[09:03] <nthykier> mmm, the JDK was not an ME java, right?
[09:03] <gemini88888> SDK folder contains the rightest tool for mobile applet ... i think (bad ?)
[09:03] <slytherin> nthykier: Any idea why libmx4j-java synced from Debian is FTBFS in Ubuntu? (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmx4j-java) I can not access the build log or I would have looked at error myself.
[09:03] <gemini88888> no JDK is not ME java
[09:03] <gemini88888> i think it java only
[09:04] <gemini88888> SDK is ME java
[09:04] <nthykier> slytherin:  javahelper: Depends: python-scriptutil but it is not installable
[09:04] <nthykier> slytherin: Dependency issue
[09:05] <nthykier> gemini88888: okay - then I do not know what to do if it does not like your ME java
[09:05] <gemini88888> xDDDD
[09:05] <gemini88888> lol
[09:05] <nthykier> gemini88888: maybe you should ask in #java and see if they have experienced it
[09:06] <gemini88888> i have to switch chat plaza for #java ?
[09:07] <gemini88888> thanks nthykier, i could instal JDK lib also :)
[09:07] <gemini88888> i just have to perform it for my sdk ;)
[09:07] <slytherin> nthykier: Let me discuss this with python folks.
[09:08] <nthykier> gemini88888: you are welcome - sorry I could not be of more use
[09:09] <nthykier> slytherin: you may want to poke to mjj29 in #debian-java (on irc.d.o) about it as well in case it is a permanent issue
[09:09] <gemini88888> *** thinking about rooting my sdk folder as a jre root folder ***
[09:09] <nthykier> (or file a bug against javahelper in Debian :P )
[09:09] <slytherin> nthykier: Will do.
[09:10] <gemini88888> #java channel ???
[09:10] <gemini88888> how ?
[09:11] <nthykier>  /join #java
[09:11] <nthykier> gemini88888: ^ write that above
[09:11] <nthykier> gemini88888: you may have to register your nick to enter it though
[09:13] <gemini88888> ok, maybe i will not see you again (cause for a switching canal), so thanks a lot for a great helping hand :)
[09:13] <gemini88888> cya
[09:13] <nthykier> gemini88888: you are welcome :)
[17:29] <deostroll> is JavaFX similar to adobe cs3?
[17:38] <persia> Anyone know the featureset for the new upstreams of jasperreports, cobertura, or libhibernate3-java ?  Do we want these in lucid?  How about libfonts-java and libxml-java ?


[04:39] <JimBuntu> tomreyn, --> "Hey, can anyone hold my hand though what will likely take many hours?"
[04:41] <oerheks> oerheks, now give the wiki to do that in tty, pronto
[04:43] <JimBuntu> I admit, I might be mean at time, but sometimes it seems the questions are beyond what should reasonably be asked
[04:43] <oerheks> no, we call that helpfull
[04:44] <oerheks> uh oh...
[04:45] <JimBuntu> someone has taken the request and shoot, even illicited a response from guiverc. I no longer feel mean.
[04:46] <tomreyn> :)
[04:47] <tomreyn> go aelsilmaredh go
[04:47] <oerheks> lets wait and see
[04:51] <tomreyn> he keep explaining the live cd approach, doesnt he
[04:52] <JimBuntu> Well, I give aelsilmaredh credit for trying, but given the person wants to do it in real-time, without a live-boot... I can't watch this.
[04:52] <tomreyn> uh oh, windows user.
[04:52] <JimBuntu> literally rofl
[04:54] <JimBuntu> Train... I would like to introduce you to Mr. Wreck.
[04:56] <JimBuntu> my backup drive is empty... cause I like to backup... ?
[04:57] <JimBuntu> Ok, I'm done being so immature. Back to the regularly scheduled show.
[04:57] <tomreyn> they're actually not the average windows user, though, got a good understanding of partitions vs. file systems.
[05:10] <oerheks> i just walked the dog .. amzing to return
[05:11] <tomreyn> did you expect not to?
[05:12] <tomreyn> or do you mean the progress they're making?
[05:13] <oerheks> the progress is amazing indeed, i wonder what will be next, reinstall or ..
[05:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[05:14] <oerheks> heya lordievader
[05:14] <lordievader> Hey oerheks How are you doing?
[05:14] <oerheks> enjoying support :-)
[05:15] <oerheks> i am fine, thanks and how are you?
[05:15] <lordievader> Doing good here
[05:15] <lordievader> Waking up'
[05:30] <MysticReverie> How to add a sign off message on hexchat?  i noticed some people seem to have one
[05:34] <guiverc> MysticReverie: hexchat (client) allows me to set quit, leave & away messages (prefs -> chat general)
[05:35] <MysticReverie> thanks
[05:36] <MysticReverie> sounds fun
[05:40] <MysticReverie> jesus that kden live ui is not good
[05:40] <MysticReverie> cant even open a video clip
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:57] <MysticReverie> hi lotus
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> hey MysticReverie
[05:59] <MysticReverie> Hows you
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> all good here tnx
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> bout you?
[06:02] <MysticReverie> same  thanks
[06:02] <MysticReverie> troubleshooting lol
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> shooting what?
[06:06] <MysticReverie> kdenlive editor
[06:06] <MysticReverie> cant use the basics yet lol
[06:08] <MysticReverie> cant seem to get the vidoe preview biger, or the timeline area smaller.  a waste of real estate
[06:08] <MysticReverie> and when i try to 'cut' selected areas, nothing happens
[06:09] <MysticReverie> just the usual stuff for me... bungling along
[06:10] <MysticReverie> this si why i sometime sfind it hard not using windows.  the software on linux can be too difficult and less choice
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> you cant generalize that
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> tons of nice software on linux
[06:11] <oerheks> who knows what huge task is going on, with that cut actions..
[06:11] <MysticReverie> just my exeprience personally
[06:11] <oerheks> and depends on what format
[06:11] <MysticReverie> yea, but not the selection on windows, and what ive tried is ofte nhard to use for me personally
[06:12] <oerheks> i think you used a closed format, or prop one
[06:12] <MysticReverie> maybe..  it snot looking very polished
[06:12] <MysticReverie> but i did download form software center ?
[06:12] <oerheks> "not looking very polished"  oh a good theme would help?
[06:13] <MysticReverie> if its makes it easier to understan and rezise windows, definately
[06:14] <MysticReverie> iv ehad to install a viruta lmachine just for photo and video editing.
[06:15] <MysticReverie> but if i cna figure out one or two linux alternatives, maybe i dont need it
[06:15] <MysticReverie> trying now
[06:15] <lordievader> Kdenlive does get a lot of praise of being one of the better video  editors under Linux.
[06:16] <MysticReverie> yea. it must be good. i cna see many good reviews
[06:16] <MysticReverie> i just need to get used to the interface,
[06:16] <MysticReverie> i liek basic stuff lol
[06:16] <oerheks> video edditing depends on good hardware, basicly
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> +1
[06:16] <MysticReverie> i just want to cut/edit and save t omkv or mp4 format. nothing fancy
[06:17] <oerheks> oh those formats require a lot of recoding, first unpack, then edit, and then again packaging...
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> !info pitivi
[06:18] <MysticReverie> i dont under stand those scissors icon, surely for cutting?  but  i select a part with the scissors, right click and select cut and nothing happens
[06:18] <lotuspsychje> nothing fancy ^
[06:19] <MysticReverie> thanks.  i will have a look
[06:19] <ducasse> good morning
[06:19] <MysticReverie> Morning Ducasse
[06:21] <ducasse> hi MysticReverie
[06:25] <MysticReverie> i managed to get the kden to start rendering a file. i will check he output after.  maybe ok
[06:25] <MysticReverie> by the way, is it true that vide oencoding is bad for ssd's ?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> no
[06:25] <MysticReverie> to muc hoverwriting or something?
[06:25] <MysticReverie> ok, good
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> as what oerheks said, better hardware= better editing experience
[06:26] <MysticReverie> ya
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> and surely for the graphics card
[06:30] <MysticReverie> i think i maybe able to use photo editer and video editor in linux, but the learning curve is a bit steeper
[06:30] <MysticReverie> if i cna tho, i can delete my 20gb win10 vurtual box
[06:30] <MysticReverie> i need the space as i dont want to waste 20gb in my sd
[06:30] <MysticReverie> ssd*
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> whats the deal with .24 now? i still see alot of users using it?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> oh its ubottu is behind
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> nvm
[06:51] <tomreyn> always behind :-/
[06:59] <tomreyn> didnt someone say something about a known bug with old intel gpu? i can't seem to find it on launchpad :-/
[06:59] <tomreyn> nor on the logs here.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> cant recall tomreyn
[07:01] <tomreyn> thanks for trying. ;)
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> what wa sit about tomreyn
[07:03] <tomreyn> freezing at gdm startup
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> that was my bug
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> bug #1780986
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> happened 2 times recently
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> my card is x800 ati
[07:15] <tomreyn> looks different, thanks though
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> kk
[08:46] <tomreyn> vanvugt found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1727356
[08:46] <tomreyn> aka duflu
[09:07] <MysticReverie> great
[09:08] <MysticReverie> I got great results with kdenlive
[09:08] <MysticReverie> same quality and file size as my program i was using before
[09:08] <MysticReverie> another problem solved
[09:28] <oerheks> yeah, we have solutions, and we look for a problem
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:29] <oerheks> ops, lotuspsychje is making fun of me
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> haha
[09:36]  * lotuspsychje looks pretty innocent
[09:45] <jink> lotuspsychje: I highly doubt that.
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> look who's talking
[09:46] <jink> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:46] <jink> :P
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> im about to go get some frites
[09:46] <jink> Vlaamse Frieten!
[09:46] <jink> Top-idee.
[09:47] <oerheks> slagroomsoesjes..
[09:47] <jink> ^__^
[09:47] <oerheks> man, i am hungry
[09:47] <jink> Hahahahaha
[09:48] <oerheks> yes, yes, lotuspsychje is innocent, and weird
[09:48] <jink> I'll take your word for it.
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:49] <oerheks> i would not do that, but oke
[09:49] <oerheks> you know who else is weird too?
[09:50]  * lotuspsychje looks around him
[09:51] <tomreyn> bugzie! bugzie! bugzie!
[09:51] <oerheks> i don't know, just asking you guys
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> https://radio2.be/sites/default/files/styles/1200x630/public/images/articles/steakpeper.jpg?itok=5qTAFpTE
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit!
[09:52] <oerheks> njummie
[09:53] <oerheks> i have schnitsel & cabbage & potatoes for tonight
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> sounds nice oerheks
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: what time are we expected?
[10:01]  * oerheks is looking for sponsors for my cargobike
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> you want a sticker with lotuscomputers on it lol?
[10:05] <oerheks> i asked the painter if he had any stickers, but he had none, nobody asks for that
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> right
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> better a nice shiny bike color
[10:05] <oerheks> i wouldn't mind, if it was small
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> oh.. i gtg frites!
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> ttyl fellas
[10:06] <oerheks> enjoy!
[10:11] <blackflow> Warhammer 40k: Gladius, first turn based W40k, on Steam, native for Linux! HERE TAKE MY MONEY!
[10:14] <oerheks> new macbook pro with silent keyboard ..
[10:15] <oerheks> me! me!
[10:23] <blackflow> oerheks: EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW macbook.
[10:24] <oerheks> i rather put my money in parts for my bike, though
[10:24] <blackflow> I did that too :)
[10:24] <oerheks> or new shoes :-D
[10:25] <blackflow> but this month it's warhammer. next month new brake pads and chain for the MTB.
[10:27] <oerheks> my list is about €140-160, excl fresh tires
[10:27] <oerheks> so that would be €200, when i am done.
[10:27] <blackflow> is that an MTB?
[10:29] <oerheks> no, this black one > https://www.dropbox.com/s/jmdxyqo3197gvp6/2018ride.jpg?dl=0   will be > https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx3ev8a63hfl3i5/2018-painted-bike-1.jpg?dl=0
[10:31] <oerheks> actualliy, this is my old one, i sold it and bought 2 other ones in return, now i fix them with fresh powdercoat, 1 manually and 1 with electro motor
[10:32] <blackflow> ooh!
[10:34] <oerheks> and enough room to put something in it like this https://shop.sherlock.bike/product/sherlock-bike/
[10:35] <oerheks> 120 mm x 25 mm
[10:37] <blackflow> oh interesting.
[10:39] <oerheks> now with iOt, there are other solutions too
[10:39] <oerheks> but this a pretty cheap solution, incl 2 year
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:00] <oerheks> hello BluesKaj
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hi oerheks
[11:01] <oerheks> benevolente dictator stops ... https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-committers/2018-July/005664.html
[11:02] <blackflow> yeah, he grew sick of it all
[11:10] <oerheks> i tend to wait a minute before answering, they are fast finding it themselves
[11:10] <oerheks> grinn
[11:10]  * oerheks is bád
[12:13] <tomreyn> in case Wicardo (the person without working wireless) returns, please !irclogs | Wicardo
[12:14] <oerheks> :-)
[12:16] <BluesKaj> damn broadcom, my laptop has to use a non-default driver to work properly , otherwise the default driver keeps asking for my pw every few secs , and it won't register
[12:19] <BluesKaj> err wouldn't register til I clean reinstalled the entire OS, then the default kernel source driver finally worked
[12:20] <BluesKaj> on bionic
[12:24] <BluesKaj> the devs obviously fixed the kernel source driver after my initial install
[12:24] <blackflow> eww Broadcom.
[12:24] <blackflow> if you can choose, go atheros wherever possible.
[12:25] <BluesKaj> well, I always had pretty good luck with bcm on my previous laptops
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon to all
[13:44] <blackflow> o/
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> hey blackflow
[14:01] <hggdh> mornings, afternoons, and evenings, as the case may be, to all
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> hey there hggdh
[14:03] <hggdh> lotuspsychje: cheers
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> this might be a timezone cross zone indeed
[14:11] <oerheks> happy fri the 13th
[14:12]  * lotuspsychje throws a black cat around
[14:15] <oerheks> what thy sends comes back at thy, times tree
[14:16] <oerheks> smurf it
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:16] <lotuspsychje> thats why i throwed it around, and not 'at' you
[14:17] <oerheks> drabber is scared of cats
[14:17] <oerheks> cats love him in the neighbourhood
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> really
[14:18] <oerheks> my neighbours have 2 cats, from their student-appartment, they never been outside, now they have a balcony... and drabber nextdoor
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> uh oh :p
[14:18] <oerheks> they usually sit between my flowers
[14:18] <oerheks> hippie cats
[14:19] <oerheks> and drabber is silly too
[14:19] <oerheks> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7ry39fkkjol9hk/DrabberRuiktBloemetjes2014.JPG?dl=0
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[14:19]  * oerheks goes out for a walk
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> nice pic oerheks
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> hey there pragmaticenigma
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: ... before you run away... do remember a question a few days ago about MOTD on login?
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> hi lotus
[14:20] <oerheks> oh, motd spam  ?
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> ya
[14:21] <oerheks> that can easily be undone, it is in /etc/update-motd.d/50-motd-news
[14:21] <oerheks> just -x
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> ah, so with the loss of execution it's dead... don't need to move it or rename it?
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> only thought is I would like to avoid system mail about a dead script
[14:23] <oerheks> i know, the controversion, like amazon, but people should not be that scared, and not just rely on ubuntu to get your system safe.
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> The ads don't concern me... just don't care for them
[14:23] <oerheks> it is the unwanted phone home issue
[14:24] <oerheks> that is what they call it
[14:25]  * oerheks is off
[14:26] <pragmaticenigma> laterz oerheks
[14:26]  * pragmaticenigma goes and turns off nearly all the motd stuff :-)
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> hey there BluesKaj
[15:04] <tomreyn> pragmaticenigma: in case you'll need it later: dmesg of TommyOne http://termbin.com/eik7  "BIOS 1.04C 04/27/2005"  - they're serious about not accepting obsolescence
[15:04] <BluesKaj> hey lotuspsychje
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: I have machines predating that :-)
[15:05] <tomreyn> sorry to hear this
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: though I was just surprised that we went from USB not supplying enough power to I'm going to modify the hardware to have dedicated power
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> tomreyn: Those old machines are mostly for research and tinkering... If they die, they go bye-bye
[15:09] <oerheks> what would one expect from 10 years and older?
[15:09] <oerheks> it is a fire hazard dangerous hobby
[15:17] <tomreyn> indeed they're apparently a tinkerer. but i'm not sure whether or not it's their main computer. would be sad if so.
[15:17] <tomreyn> i mean https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+3200%2B&id=54
[15:19] <tomreyn> but maybe i'm just too well paid ;)
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> mine still works like a charm
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> you guys have no idea what ppl still use in belgium
[15:20] <tomreyn> anstrad / schneider cpc?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> haha
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> My main rig I bought in 2015, so it's fresher than most
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> tandy
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> no i mean they all got smartphones & tablets, but their pc's are old as ages
[15:25] <tomreyn> well if people dont consider pc's relevant anymore that's understandable. most use only mobile devices nowadays.
[15:26] <oerheks> if it is no duo core, i leave pc's on the corner of the street
[15:26] <oerheks> or HD i1080
[15:26] <oerheks> :-D
[15:26] <oerheks> we are ugly rich
[15:27] <oerheks> kids get computers from the council if their parents are *poor*
[15:27] <oerheks> laptops...
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> If all a person does is surf the web, watch you tube, and e-mail... what is the point of having a full on computer?
[15:39] <tomreyn> does a modern web browser work on any of these old computers? :)
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> Chrome works on a surprising amount of older hardware
[15:40] <pragmaticenigma> would anyone here have a suggestion on something that I can use to edit and create GTK themes? (specifically for GTK2)
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> trying to edit the text is near impossible, since so much of it is keywords and I have a feeling that what I'm looking for isn't explicately defined
[15:49] <BluesKaj> chrome works on my 10yr old HP just fine
[15:50] <BluesKaj> actually most apps do
[15:52] <hggdh> BluesKaj: with a 10 year old OS?
[15:53] <pragmaticenigma> Software ultimately doesn't care about the age of a machine... it's the user... software will run on just about anything... it may take a lot longer, but it will run
[15:54] <pragmaticenigma> meantime.. thinking it's time to retire deluge and find a different app
[15:54] <BluesKaj> hggdh, , nope, I'm running Kubunru Bionic on it ..it has some upgrades like 8g Ram, a nvidia gpu, and a m-audio soundcard
[15:55] <BluesKaj> the m-audio card is 10yrs old though :-)
[15:56] <BluesKaj> thanks for kicking that idiot hggdh
[15:57] <BluesKaj> he still didn't get it
[15:57] <oerheks> it is friday, weekend support, comb your chesthair ..
[15:58] <BluesKaj> fri the 13th, my fav day and date
[15:58] <hggdh> itis Friday 13th, the universal day for idiots
[15:58] <BluesKaj> oops be caredful hggdh , you're calling me an idiot
[15:58] <oerheks> it is a religion :-D
[15:58] <BluesKaj> hggdh,^
[15:59]  * BluesKaj was born on Fri the 13th
[16:00] <hggdh> BluesKaj: no, I am not calling you an idiot :-)
[16:00] <hggdh> and I apologise if it sounded like that
[16:01] <BluesKaj> hggdh, I was kidding
[16:01] <pragmaticenigma> As far as support... usually it's the I want something special, and I can't just use stuff the way it is
[16:01] <hggdh> still, it was a good point
[16:02]  * pragmaticenigma kind of what I'm doing with trying to figure out how to fix the progress bar in Deluge
[16:03] <BluesKaj> i wasn't kidding about my birthdate tho
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> i'm not kidding either
[16:05] <oerheks> i am half dead ( 50 )
[16:05] <BluesKaj> heh, Ill be b75 on Aug 13th next
[16:06] <leftyfb> hggdh: please keep an eye on takeme. It's a troll
[16:06] <BluesKaj> i'm 3/4 dead :-)
[16:06] <hggdh> leftyfb: k
[16:08] <leftyfb> they're a pretty discrete troll. :)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> takeme is registered/unaffiliated
[16:08] <hggdh> sounds like, but I have to give them the chance
[16:09] <hggdh> being registered makes life easier when dealing with trolls
[16:09] <BluesKaj> yp
[18:07] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: so what do you mean with 'netplan' is a replacement?
[18:07] <shibumi> replacement for what?
[18:08] <pragmaticenigma> netplan is replacing ifupdown... it is still an abstraction layer, but more modular. It also handles the changes to the underlaying networking modules NetworkManger and systemd-networkd
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> intending to standardize the commands leaving the sysadmin with less customization to handle differences between the two
[18:10] <shibumi> well ok if you see it like this you are right. Although I see no need for netplan. There is systemd-networkd. systemd-networkd files are in ini format.. and they are usable without netplan and you can use them easily together with networkmanager
[18:10] <shibumi> I don't understand why ubuntu is doing that 'lonely wolf' move here again
[18:11] <shibumi> it's the same with upstart, mir and any other canonical project in the past..
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> I think the goal of netplan is you can switch between the two underlaying network managers without having to rebuild all your configurations
[18:11] <pragmaticenigma> And I agree, it's hlaf baked at this point and really needs some work and polish
[18:11] <shibumi> pragmaticenigma: full ack. it's maybe a good thought, but I don't need networkmanager on servers
[18:12] <shibumi> I mean one big advantage of all distributions going for systemd is that systemd makes the linux landscape uniform
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> true... but you would be able to use the desktop to get things setup, move your yaml files over to the server and wouldn't have make any adjustements (at least thats the theory)
[18:13] <shibumi> sure for desktops and laptops it makes totally sense :D
[18:13] <shibumi> but as I said for servers it's crap :D
[18:13] <shibumi> because if you want to deploy a non uniform landscape out of debian, centos7, ubuntu, arch linux, fedora.. the only distribution that will fail is ubuntu because of netplan
[18:13] <shibumi> and that sucks
[18:13] <pragmaticenigma> servers are usually highly specialized, so I agree... it's silly to put a layer on top
[18:14] <pragmaticenigma> I thought fedora was going netplan as well
[18:14] <shibumi> yeah and nevertheless netplan is enabled on default on server images and connected to cloud-init
[18:14] <shibumi> really? never heard of it in connection to fedora
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know if it's on their road map for common install, but I thought I saw references to it
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> I do see a number of discussions about it being added
[18:17] <shibumi> mhhh it would make sense for fedora desktops
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> guess it's a wait and see
[18:17] <shibumi> but for servers it just doesn't
[18:17] <shibumi> (i am not a fan of networkmanager either) I use pure IWD + systemd-networkd for my laptop on arch linux
[18:17] <daftykins> amusingly my 18.04 VPS with digitalocean makes use of netplan and cloud-init for IP provisioning, first time i tried to delete the packages i left my VPS with no network xD
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> I haven't cared for network manager, as it makes assumptions about the topology, and attempts to override values sent to it via DHCP
[18:19] <daftykins> i'd always been one for purging all the automagic crap and statically addressing my server VMs in /etc/network/interfaces :)
[18:21] <shibumi> daftykins: ugh Interfaces Files are so ugly :D
[18:21] <shibumi> Did you ever setup vxlan interfaces via that file?
[18:21] <shibumi> It's such a mess
[18:21] <daftykins> nope
[18:22] <daftykins> why are you in here if you're a Linux ricer running arch?
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> maybe ready to jump ship after Arch had their stuff breached by the H@X0RZ
[18:24] <leftyfb> you guys do realize he's the epitome of a troll right?
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> I don't judge others
[18:25] <daftykins> actually i think all the points about netplan are very aligned with my own
[18:25] <daftykins> ...opinions
[18:25] <pragmaticenigma> also, I run CentOS on a number of systems
[18:26] <daftykins> i'm in no other channels if there's any evidence elsewhere, though
[18:26] <leftyfb> I was talking about in the main channel
[18:26] <leftyfb> genii took care of him though
[18:26] <BluesKaj> I ran stsatic IP for along time using th einterfaces file without NM, but since netplan it's been rlatively smooth sailing with NM along for the ride
[18:26] <BluesKaj> scuse all the typos
[18:28] <daftykins> genii's the man :) i'm gonna go hang out with him in Toronto later this year
[18:29] <pragmaticenigma> I have no preference, as long as I can find documentation to help figure out how to do what I want to do, I'm a happy camper... not so happy about Deluge and it's mystical interpretations of the GTK Theme directives
[18:29] <shibumi> daftykins: because of issues with ubuntu and netplan
[18:29] <shibumi> daftykins: at work I do only ubuntu and CentOS
[18:29] <BluesKaj> really daftykins, when are you visiting Toronto?
[18:30] <daftykins> BluesKaj: yep! late September
[18:30] <daftykins> come on down into the city :D
[18:33] <BluesKaj> maybe I will , it's a5hr drive for me, but my daughter and some of my grandchildren live there so it would be nice to meet you guys as well.
[18:34] <daftykins> excellent :D let me look up my booking
[18:34] <BluesKaj> cool
[18:34] <daftykins> there we go, Wednesday 26th p.m. to Friday 28th p.m. September
[18:35] <daftykins> just a short stop before popping down to the US
[18:36] <BluesKaj> right I'll mark that on my calendar
[18:38] <BluesKaj> there used to be a linux cafe in Toronto, but I think it's out of business now
[18:39] <daftykins> hrmm i wonder if he knows, he's right in the middle
[18:39] <daftykins> might have to do the tourist thing and go up the CN tower :)
[18:39] <daftykins> already paid my $7 CAD to be permitted entry to the country!
[18:39] <BluesKaj> yes, he's mentioned it many times
[18:39] <BluesKaj> the CN tower is a must
[18:58] <EriC^^> evening all
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> wait, it costs money to go to Canada now?
[19:06] <daftykins> same as it costs to go to the US
[19:06] <daftykins> $14 USD for them :/
[19:06] <daftykins> ESTA visa waiver for the US, and eTA for Canada
[19:17] <BluesKaj> one has to pay for the customs ppl to look at your passport ...another govt scam
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> I never knew there was a fee for crossing between the US and Canada. The only time I crossed was a family vacation to Niagra falls, and I think I was 8 years old
[19:20] <leftyfb> I was just in Niagara last summer and plan on going in a couple weeks. I've never had to pay anything to cross in either direction
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> I suppose, now that a passport is required to jump across the border, that would make sense... used to need only a drivers license when I went... I'm thinking it was sometime in the late 80's or very early 90's
[19:24] <BluesKaj> was at Niagara a couple of weeks ago with my daughter , 25 buck cdn to park one's vehicle, but they have these little shuttle buses to take you to the falls a quarter mile away
[19:25] <daftykins> oof
[19:25] <MysticReverie> Trudeu gotta pay for all the immigrants he's welcoming in somehow lol
[20:55] <Bashing-om> And me welcomes the weekend support .. ready or not .... here I come :P
[20:56] <daftykins> welcome back :D
[20:58] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Thanlee as per the ususal .. Good day in the neighborhood ?
[20:58] <daftykins> yep gorgeous weather here and much relaxation was had with chilled drinks :D
[20:59] <daftykins> all well in your corner of the world?
[21:02] <Bashing-om> Well .. sad to have buried family pet dog - 14 years - cancer . We now have a different world here .
[21:06] <daftykins> oh dear, sad time - freedom from suffering for him/her too, though i wager
[21:08] <Bashing-om> She did not really complain until the final hours .


[00:58] <binarycat> Why does this man suddenly touch that woman's ponytail and kiss her hand out of the blue? Context: two Swedes are visiting in Amsterdam in Holland/Netherlands. Her comment is also pretty sexually suggestive... Length: 16 seconds. URL: https://streamable.com/s/dhijh/txmoqh?autoplay=1
[07:02] <Remy> goeie morgen


[13:13] <Lois> help
[16:28] <rafael_carreras> just finishing Catalan Team global jam
[16:29] <rafael_carreras> lots of translations done and also some team organization working


[01:04] <daker> g'night
[21:20] <rsajdok> after "make db" I got error: http://pastie.org/5917301
[21:20] <rsajdok> any suggestion?
[22:32] <daker> rsajdok: lemme see
[22:32] <daker> rsajdok: it the same error as yesterday ?
[22:34] <daker> try to delete the db then run make db again
[22:34] <daker> rsajdok: ^
[22:36] <rsajdok|a> daker: Yes, the same error
[22:37] <rsajdok|a> Delete dB do not resolve problem
[22:37] <daker> rsajdok|a: ./env/bin/python loco_directory/manage.py syncdb
[22:37] <daker> then
[22:37] <daker> ./env/bin/python loco_directory/manage.py migrate
[22:39] <rsajdok|a> Ok, I will try tomorrow, goodnight
[22:42] <daker> ok
[22:55] <daker> rsajdok|a: i have a fix for it https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/0.2/revision/601
[22:55] <daker> just don't create the superuser when doing the sync