[02:58] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: hello
[06:00] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon Kubuntu people:)
[06:01]  * smartboyhw checks KDE SC 4.10.3
[06:05] <soee> good morning
[07:01] <smartboyhw_> Meh, shadeslayer still hasn't answered my questions (nor did yofel and Darkwing)
[07:10] <valorie> I wish more people were asking questions
[07:13] <smartboyhw_> valorie: Heh
[07:14] <smartboyhw_> Albeit, the users won't
[07:14] <smartboyhw_> Since they aren't voters
[07:14] <valorie> I never thought of doing so
[07:14] <valorie> but really, the council is for all of us
[07:14] <smartboyhw_> and Kubuntu Members would have known who to vote beforehans
[07:15] <smartboyhw_> I simply don't know who to vote, so I askes
[07:15] <valorie> transparency is good
[07:15] <valorie> the more transparent we are, the more people are likely to step up into leadership roles, IMO
[07:17] <valorie> I hope you've started a new tradition
[07:38] <smartboyhw_> Canonical won't like this http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20130506 ;P
[07:42] <valorie> heh
[07:43] <Tm_T> smartboyhw_: why not?
[07:43] <Tm_T> Kubuntu is Ubuntu afterall (;
[07:44] <smartboyhw_> Tm_T: I think they don't like to see their own thing squashed and Kubuntu praised:P
[07:44] <Tm_T> they should!
[07:46] <smartboyhw_> Tm_T: :P
[07:49] <valorie> I wouldn't blame Canonical for favoring their own creation over the step-child
[07:50] <valorie> now the ubuntu community is a different question
[07:56] <Tm_T> valorie: indeed
[07:58] <valorie> we can't really worry about what canonical thinks
[07:58] <Tm_T> we don't need to I'd say
[08:01] <valorie> it did hurt when they withdrew support
[08:01] <valorie> but I think we are stronger now
[08:01] <valorie> so they did us a favor
[08:01] <smartboyhw> valorie: ;)
[08:04] <smartboyhw> Actually I don't understand: Why is Jonathan such a popular first name in the West?
[08:05] <smartboyhw> 4 Kubuntu Members have Jonathan has their first name…
[08:05] <valorie> very old name, even found in the Bible
[08:05] <mikhas> exist as a proper name in most European countries
[08:05] <mikhas> (localized versions, of course)
[08:05] <smartboyhw> valorie, mikhas: OK
[08:14] <Riddell> that distrowatch article is fun
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Surely yep:)
[08:15] <Riddell> but do I blog it given it slags of ubuntu lots
[08:16] <mikhas> sure you do
[08:16] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: in finnish it's Joonatan
[08:16] <smartboyhw> Tm_T: :O
[08:17] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I have half a reply in my inbox
[08:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: the reason I use my surname as irc nick is because there were so many jonathans at school we all had to use surnames to distinguish
[08:17] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Let me give you a cup of coffee
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Seriously? LOL
[08:18] <shadeslayer> I just finished one, I could use another one
[08:18] <smartboyhw> kubotu: give a cup of coffee to shadeslayer
[08:18] <shadeslayer> surely you mean
[08:18] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order coffee for smartboyhw
[08:18]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to smartboyhw.
[08:18] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order espresso for shadeslayer
[08:18]  * kubotu slides espresso down the bar to shadeslayer
[08:19] <shadeslayer> mmm
[08:20] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order breakfast for Riddell
[08:20]  * kubotu slides a cigarette, a cup of hot coffee and a bagel with cream cheese down the bar to Riddell.
[08:20] <valorie> I thought using surnames was standard in UK public schools?
[08:21] <valorie> I'm glad i didn't have to go by "Cowan"
[08:21] <smartboyhw> I wonder what will dinner be for kubotu…
[08:22] <Riddell> valorie: you are mistaking England for the UK
[08:23] <smartboyhw> heh
[08:24] <valorie> ah, not a Scots custom then?
[08:24] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order afternoon tea for smartboyhw
[08:24]  * kubotu slides afternoon tea down the bar to smartboyhw
[08:24] <kubotu> howdy, smartboyhw
[08:24] <smartboyhw> Meh…
[08:24] <valorie> I've never actually been in England
[08:24] <valorie> only Scotland
[08:25]  * smartboyhw will be in England in July
[08:25] <smartboyhw> When you guys are in Akademy
[08:25] <valorie> and in the first pub we were in, I mentioned that this was my first time in Europe
[08:25] <valorie> fellow roared out, you aren't in EUROPE, you're in SCOTLAND!
[08:26] <smartboyhw> valorie: ROFL
[08:26] <valorie> later he bought me a lovely whisky
[08:26] <valorie> mmmm, Jura
[08:28] <Riddell> valorie: that's disappointing
[08:28] <Riddell> http://ubuntugnome.org/  their Follow Us section with links to Facebook, g+ and twitter is where we should be at
[08:29] <valorie> yes, I was surprised
[08:30] <valorie> I thought the Scots in general were more European-minded than the average English
[08:30] <valorie> the Jura was delicious
[08:31] <valorie> that is a really plain page
[08:31] <Riddell> valorie: those of us who plan to vote Yes are, those who vote No less so.  unlike england there's no calls to have a vote to get out of the EU
[08:54] <soee> Riddell, anyone working on 4.10.3 ?
[09:04] <apachelogger> yofel: are you doing frameworks for neon.... cause you've got kdelibs imported...?
[09:09] <valorie> anyway, Riddell, I agree with you on the Follow Us part
[09:10] <valorie> that's the best part of their very plain site
[09:17] <smartboyhw> valorie: Don't forget, they are a new flavour
[09:18] <valorie> oh, yes, I know
[09:18] <smartboyhw> And they don't even have a proper QA lead…
[09:18] <valorie> and I'm sure they will find someone to pretty it up
[09:18] <valorie> info is good, even if plain
[10:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we just have an import, no work on getting it to work AFAIK
[10:58] <shadeslayer> afiestas_: ScottK bug 1171331
[10:58] <shadeslayer> errr
[10:58] <shadeslayer> bug 1177333
[11:14] <apachelogger> Darkwing, shadeslayer, yofel: questions on ML still waiting for replies
[11:16] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Hey don't keep on telling them:P
[11:35] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[12:51] <smartboyhw_> yofel: Is the 4.10.3 Raring status page cronjob down?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[13:39] <apachelogger> bazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
[13:40] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: What happened?!
[13:40] <ghostcube> o.O
[13:40] <apachelogger> 2013-05-07 12:44:47 INFO    Unable to import branch because of limitations in Bazaar.
[13:40] <apachelogger> 2013-05-07 12:44:47 INFO    The repository you are fetching from contains submodules, which are not yet supported.
[13:40] <Riddell> apachelogger seems to have worked out how to use a laptop while sleeping, impressive
[13:40] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: :O
[13:40] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: lol
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^ suggestions?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ahaha
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ahahahahaha
[13:41]  * shadeslayer jumps off a building
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also pling
[13:41] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: NO!
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can't import submodules
[13:41] <shadeslayer> no git submodule support in bzr
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pling?
[13:42] <apachelogger> no shit sherlok
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: suggestions, we write a cron job on a server to push repos
[13:42] <shadeslayer> or
[13:42] <shadeslayer> import each module individually
[13:43] <shadeslayer> that's all I can think of
[13:43] <apachelogger> what server
[13:43] <shadeslayer> or making Riddell write submodule support
[13:43] <apachelogger> also there are no modules
[13:43] <apachelogger> there may have been in the history
[13:43] <shadeslayer> yeah so
[13:43] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: Good one
[13:43] <apachelogger> which makes the fail even more bullshit
[13:43] <shadeslayer> that breaks bzr
[13:43] <apachelogger> we should just stop using launchpad
[13:44] <shadeslayer> or just make Riddell fix bzr :P
[13:44] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: That's a wild suggestion. Let Riddell fix bzr.
[13:45] <smartboyhw_> So Riddell, fix it;P
[13:48] <apachelogger> yes
[13:48] <apachelogger> let's spend engineering time on dead software
[13:49] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: Dead?
[13:50] <apachelogger> bzr is on life support
[13:50] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: What's replacing it then?
[13:50] <apachelogger> nothing
[13:50] <shadeslayer> mercurial
[13:50] <apachelogger> it's expect to rot until broken
[13:51] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: !?
[13:51] <apachelogger> what do I know
[13:51] <apachelogger> what do I care
[13:51] <Riddell> "maintinance mode"
[13:51] <apachelogger> there's no such thing considering it can't evne import git repos if there are submodules in the history
[13:51] <apachelogger> THE HISTORY
[14:22] <smartboyhw_> kubotu: newversion homerun 0.2.3
[14:22] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1177399
[14:23] <Riddell> when did that appear?
[14:23] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Planet KDE
[14:23] <smartboyhw_> 12:32 UTC
[14:23] <smartboyhw_> Today
[14:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:58] <yofel> smartboyhw: script looks running to me, maybe there was a network issue?
[14:58] <yofel> apachelogger: pong
[14:58] <smartboyhw> yofel: Hmn
[14:58] <yofel> apachelogger: and as shadeslayer said, there's only an import for frameworks. And I don't really plan to do any neon packaging until 4.11 is out
[14:59] <yofel> not saying that we can't change that
[15:02] <yofel> smartboyhw: "Last updated on 2013-05-07 15:00 (UTC)" - that was just now
[15:03] <smartboyhw> yofel: OKp
[15:04] <smartboyhw> yofel: But some of the successfully built packages are showing res
[15:05] <smartboyhw> s/res/red/
[15:05] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "yofel: But some of the successfully built packages are showing red"
[15:05] <yofel> red means there were issues, not that it failed to build
[15:05] <yofel> that actually says failed to build
[15:05] <yofel> (see rocs)
[15:06] <yofel> in kate's case it would be the list-missing output
[15:07] <yofel> weird bug of the day: lp 1177329
[15:41] <genii-around> Does anyone know when Saucy will be added to kubuntu PPAs ?
[15:58] <yofel> genii-around: define "added"?
[15:58] <yofel> if you mean available in apt: as soon as someone uploads something for saucy to the ppa
[15:59] <Quintasan> lol wat
[15:59] <genii-around> yofel: Ah, OK. I just went from 13.04 to the 13.10 development version, noted there was nothing in the PPAs yet
[16:32] <apachelogger> yofel: wip
[16:32] <apachelogger> albiet launchpad is crap
[16:32] <apachelogger> so I am writing tooling to do the recipe building outside launchpad
[16:39] <Riddell> rick_timmis: did you get anywhere with your watchfile watcher?
[17:08] <rick_timmis> Riddell: Not really, sorry. I got side tracked and it dropped down my todo list.
[17:09] <seaLne> do we really still need lots of cvs things in kubuntu-full package? just installed it for the first time in ages on a pc for parentals
[17:10] <rick_timmis> Riddell: I feel I have got lots of big gaps in my knowledge of Debian packaging and the finer aspects of APT, plus my day to day work load has gotten ahead of me.
[17:12] <Riddell> seaLne: cvs things?
[17:13] <seaLne> including cvs package and a few utils for cvs stuff
[17:13] <Riddell> rick_timmis: fair enoughski, let me know if you think you want to do other things in kubuntu, I hear ahoneybun iscracking on with docs
[17:13] <Riddell> seaLne: apt-cache show kubuntu-full doesn't list anything cvs
[17:14] <seaLne> looks like its some other package that pulls it in though
[17:14] <Riddell> oh kdesdk-scripts
[17:15] <Riddell> yeah that should go
[17:16] <seaLne> it installed a lot of dev stuff i wasn't expecting, i'd thought it would be just like all of kde programs
[17:16] <seaLne> not to sure what the usecase for -full is
[17:16] <rick_timmis> Riddell: Probably best I sit quiet for a while, once I get back in the groove, I will take a look at packaging, as that will probably help fill out the gaps I mentioned
[17:17] <Riddell> rick_timmis: plenty to package:)
[17:17] <Riddell> seaLne: it's mostly a facet of ours seeds rather than something I'd expect people to need
[17:18] <seaLne> ah
[17:18] <Riddell> you can try kde-full which is the debian meta package for kde fanboys
[17:19] <Riddell> vHanda: /etc/sysctl.d/30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf
[17:26] <vHanda> Riddell: thanks
[17:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 1177333
[18:09] <Riddell> ScottK: we were discussing srus and how they can get blocked.  is there an argument for allowing them into -proposed automatically and let ~ubuntu-sru review them during the7 day review period?
[18:09] <Riddell> or even only at the end ofit?
[18:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think users who use proposed will not appreciate preventable breakage
[18:13] <Riddell> do such users exist?
[18:13] <Riddell> -proposed is intended as a testing place, if you use it you have to be prepared to test
[18:15] <apachelogger> !sru
[18:15] <apachelogger> one of these days I'll start using bookmarks :S
[18:47] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell
[18:49] <Riddell> buenos noches
[19:02] <ahoneybun> have you seen the Docs so far?
[19:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun: nope, what's new?
[19:02] <ahoneybun> images, uploaded them to the wiki, made them thumbnails
[19:02] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[19:07] <Riddell> ooh pretty pictures on /Basics
[19:07] <ahoneybun> thanks ;)
[19:08] <ahoneybun> I'm still trying to get the format right
[19:08] <ahoneybun> like where to put the index, and table of contents
[19:09] <Riddell> depends on how long it is
[19:09] <Riddell> if it's just the 6 items it is not then put the whole index on every page
[19:09] <Riddell> but if it gets much longer it'll need to be only on the front page with next/previous links?
[19:09] <ahoneybun> So should I put the index on every page?
[19:10] <ahoneybun> or leave it as "See also" on the bottom
[19:10] <Riddell> see also doesn't make much sense if it just lists all the pages
[19:10] <ahoneybun> yea I'm working on that now
[19:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: seen http://losca.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/qt-5-in-debian-and-ubuntu-patches.html ?
[19:15] <ahoneybun> yep
[19:16] <ahoneybun> I have all the pages made so there are no dead links right now
[19:19] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so how should it be?
[19:36] <Riddell> ahoneybun: hmm
[19:36] <Riddell> I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics is good wit the page contents at the top and the global contents at the bottom
[19:36] <Riddell> just don't call it "see also"
[19:37] <Riddell> that suggests it's selected pages rather than all contents
[19:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1177399
[19:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kscreen/+bug/1177333 while you're at it :P
[20:05] <soee> good evening
[21:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what would I call it then
[21:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun: just contents?
[21:26] <ahoneybun> the see also part, me and my friend were thinking of talking about naming it "Overview of Chapters
[21:26] <ahoneybun> thinking of naming it
[21:27] <ahoneybun> "Overview of Chapters"
[21:47] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[21:59] <valorie> ahoneybun: looking better and better
[21:59] <valorie> the KDE Menu Editor appears freakishly large to me
[21:59] <valorie> however
[22:00] <ahoneybun> Yes I saw that valorie
[22:00] <valorie> I agree with Riddell, though - "Contents" is better than "ov erview of chapters"
[22:01] <valorie> this isn't a book, so we don't need to introduce the concept of chapters
[22:01] <ahoneybun> but with the <<TableOfContents>>  it put "Contents" there
[22:02] <ahoneybun> so no links to the other parts of the Docs?
[22:04] <valorie> yes, there always have to be links to other parts
[22:04] <valorie> or people will never find them
[22:06] <ahoneybun> but then its
[22:06] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[22:09] <valorie> with the moinmoin wiki, that's about the best you can do I think
[22:10] <valorie> breadcrumbs instead would be cool, but .....
[22:14] <ahoneybun> agreed
[22:14] <ahoneybun> on the breadcrumbs anyway
[22:15] <ahoneybun> well I could make the links myself and not use the <<TableOfContents>>
[22:15] <valorie> so far you are doing a great job
[22:16] <valorie> I wrote down some of my thoughts the other night after i shut down irc
[22:16] <valorie> do you want me to email them to you?
[22:16] <valorie> got distracted and never looked up your email address yesterday
[22:30] <ahoneybun> sure send them over valorie :)
[22:45]  * Phonon looks at valorie
[22:47] <ahoneybun> valorie: I'm trying to be very precise
[22:51] <valorie> ahoneybun: that's two releases ago!
[22:53]  * valorie looks at Phonon
[22:57] <ahoneybun> lol
[22:58] <ahoneybun> you know what I mean!
[22:58] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[23:05] <valorie> yes. :-)
[23:08] <ahoneybun> yes what?
[23:11] <valorie> yes, I know what you mean
[23:11] <valorie> too scattered atm to edit
[23:11] <ahoneybun> lol yea
[23:13] <ahoneybun> I'm thinking of making a new kubuntu-docs, in a new format basically just a folder with text files with the same text from the wiki pages I made and upload them to lp
[23:15] <valorie> we could do that each release
[23:15] <valorie> rather than updating them, just regenerate
[23:15] <valorie> also it's possible to create the xml/docbook from wiki
[23:16] <valorie> not sure about moin, though
[23:16] <valorie> that's how our amarok userdocs are created
[23:16] <valorie> dunno if the KDE docs people love it or not, but they do the scripting/fixing
[23:32] <ahoneybun> I think there is a way to import a xml into a wiki
[23:36] <valorie> yes, but it can be done the other way too
[23:36] <valorie> userbase > docbook works for KDE
[23:38] <ahoneybun> so make userdocs from the wiki?
[23:53] <valorie> sorry, dinner
[23:54] <ahoneybun>  ok
[23:54] <valorie> what we did was create the manual in userbase
[23:54] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[23:54] <valorie> then before release, check all the things, and ask the docteam to pull a new docbook from it
[23:54] <valorie> so we aren't keeping two sets of docs
[23:55] <ahoneybun> so the docs were in userbase and then you pulled it from there and then made a docbook from it


[07:02] <soee> a lot of fixes after latest updates
[07:03] <soee> all icons in homerun kicker, no need to move mouse when icon on taskbar clicked to show app, all icons in system settings :) weee :D
[07:03] <soee> now if only locales would work
[07:03] <soee> and activities are finished :)
[07:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: plasma-workspace depends on
[07:50] <apachelogger>          qtquick1-5-dev,
[07:50] <apachelogger>          qttools5-dev-tools,
[07:50] <apachelogger> I'd like to know why please
[07:50] <apachelogger> because that is somewhat excessively wrong
[07:53] <apachelogger> in fact what's up with all the runtime deps
[07:53] <apachelogger> some of them have no history and make me go :O
[07:53] <apachelogger>          oxygen-icon-theme,
[07:53] <apachelogger> ^ that should be a dependency/recommends of breeze-icon-theme
[07:53] <apachelogger>          libkf5service-bin,
[07:53] <apachelogger> that just shouldn't be explicitly mentioned at all
[07:54] <apachelogger> libkf5declarative5 neither should this
[07:54] <apachelogger> udisks2 also a big fat why (considering solid and what have you)
[07:54] <apachelogger> plasma-framework more why
[07:55] <yofel> whatever has startkde in it should at least recommend udisks2 as it's used there
[07:56] <yofel> ... if the disk detection patch got ported
[07:57] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer, ScottK thank you
[07:57] <apachelogger> ah that would solve that mystery, probably should be changed to solid eitherway that patch
[07:57] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: shall we meet at the BSP ?
[07:57] <ovidiu-florin> in Munich?
[07:57] <apachelogger> ah yes, welcome ovidiu-florin
[08:00] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: thank you
[08:00] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: but you have to promise to drink more than one glass
[08:01] <yofel> he have to organize the drinking better this time :P
[08:02] <apachelogger> everyone does I say
[08:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the ubiquity from ppa should land in archive
[08:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: qtquick1-5-dev qttools5-dev-tools dunno, remove them and see what breaks
[08:03] <Riddell> oxygen-icon-theme should be dep of breeze-icon-theme and libkf5kicontheme5 I think
[08:04] <apachelogger> icontheme5 would actually be wrong right now ;)
[08:04] <Riddell> if you remove libkf5service-bin make sure libkf5service5 symbols file adds a dependency onto it
[08:04] <apachelogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336739
[08:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: why?  it falls back to oxygen
[08:04] <apachelogger> kicontheme does not
[08:04] <Riddell> that bug is wrong
[08:04] <apachelogger> oxygen does the fallback
[08:04] <Riddell> breeze is nowhere near complete enough for kicontheme
[08:05] <apachelogger> that's why it has a fallback
[08:05] <apachelogger> right now unless you manually configure things or have kde4breeze run you get the oxygen icon set
[08:05] <apachelogger> which is why rohan had problems with the icons in systemsettings
[08:06] <apachelogger> they were only present in breeze but due to a bug in kde4breeze the icon set wasn't explicitly flipped to breeze, so the icons simply were unresolvable
[08:06] <apachelogger> anywho
[08:07] <apachelogger> dep chain should look like this I think: p-w -> p-d -> breeze -> breeze-icon-theme -> oxygen-icon-theme
[08:07] <Riddell> I don't really get why frameworkintegration is needed, but it is
[08:07] <apachelogger> it provides the qt platform plugin
[08:08] <apachelogger> without it qicon::fromtheme cannot resolve from whatever icon set is configured in default
[08:08] <apachelogger> equally I think qfiledialogs will not use kio's filedialog gui etc.
[08:08] <apachelogger> also I think the widget style will not follow kde settings
[08:08] <Riddell> yep
[08:08] <apachelogger> i.e. all the things will not integrated with frameworks ^^
[08:09] <Riddell> wish someone had told me about it sooner
[08:13] <apachelogger> dependency resolution by crowd sourcing :P
[08:24] <soee> guys does the progress bar (in systray) works for you when copying files  ?
[08:24] <soee> *plasma5
[08:26] <Riddell> yep
[08:27] <apachelogger> didn't work terribly well yesterday, might have been my broken plasma though
[08:33] <soee> :/
[08:40] <apachelogger> this sort stuff in debian/control is very fing annoying
[08:40] <apachelogger> open file, get to hit pagedown 5 times to see useful stuff...
[08:41] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7834883/ *shrug*
[08:42] <apachelogger> also it causes commits like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/plasma-desktop/revision/17 obstructing bzr annotate.....
[08:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does plasma-desktop depend kde-style-oxygen-qt5,
[08:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: so that stuff has a nice widget theme?
[08:50] <apachelogger> ah, no qtcurve
[08:50] <apachelogger> should be recommends eitherway IMO :P
[08:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does plasma-desktop depend on gdb?
[08:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, does it
[08:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: it used to depend on gdb-minimal which is needed by drkonqi
[08:59] <Riddell> that clashes with gdb so it should now depend on gdb-minimal | gdb
[09:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: drkonqi lives in workspace
[09:00] <Riddell> that seems silly
[09:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: will you fix that?
[09:00] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:01] <apachelogger> also about the sillyness... the separation between desktop and workspace I do not get
[09:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: also, do we want all other workspace packages as dependency or recommends
[09:03] <Riddell> well that's upstream, so you can have plasma mediacentre installed without desktop
[09:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: plasma packages are mostly depends in the seeds, what are you thinking of?
[09:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: that doesn't help the actual packages having crap relationship
[09:04] <apachelogger> if I install plasma-desktop I should get a plasma-desktop
[09:04] <apachelogger> not a half broken thing of madness
[09:05] <apachelogger> so I was thinking recommends khotkeys, kinfocenter, kmenuedit, ksysguard.... and depends only for kio-extras, kde-cli-tools, breeze, plasma-workspace (which is sort of the core you want for a somewhat working desktop)
[09:05] <apachelogger> that way one could still make a seed conflict a specific package if one of the apps is not desired on the iso
[09:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok if you think so
[09:15] <apachelogger> Package: plasma-widget-milou-kf5
[09:15] <apachelogger> why the suffix?
[09:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: a mistake, feel free to fix
[09:33] <apachelogger> so much work
[09:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am actually wondering about simply renaming it to milou
[09:33] <apachelogger> because it contains a lib, the widget and a qml module
[09:34] <apachelogger> you know, with this pile of different deps for different reasons I'd totally appreciate if we outsourced everything into substvars :S
[09:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: go for it
[09:35] <apachelogger> give them meaningful names and such
[09:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: the renaming or the substvaring? :P
[09:35] <Riddell> renaming to milou
[09:35] <Riddell> I don't get what you're thinking with substvars
[09:36] <apachelogger> I'll show you in a bit
[09:36] <apachelogger> once I find the documentation for it again ^^
[09:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835072/
[09:40] <apachelogger> note line 158
[09:40] <apachelogger> oh, actually plasma-framework belongs there as well, incidentially that's why a bit of clarity would help :P
[09:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: a magic shlibs for qml files would be great, but not a very easy task
[10:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: IMHO qml modules should create custom entries in the control listing their actuall addressing names i.e. milou would have 'XB-QMLModule: org.kde.milou, org.kde.kittens'
[10:06] <apachelogger> that doesn't cover things perfectly (since an app can bend the import dirs) but in general this would work well
[10:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: why not just an shqmllibs that reads qmldir files?
[10:07] <apachelogger> also possible I guess
[10:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: having it as a control entry allows ondemand installation of deps though
[10:09] <apachelogger> e.g. I install a plasmoid via plasma itself and that module wants QtQuickMultimedia which is not yet installed, plasma/qt could catch the failed module lookup and provided an installer similar to what we do with gstreamer codecs
[10:10] <apachelogger> but for that you need the metadata on what imports are provided by a package
[10:11] <Riddell> I think that's overengineering
[10:11] <Riddell> just an shlibs equivalent so the depends are set right it all anyone needs
[10:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: they are *exactly* the same thing
[10:12] <apachelogger> except my proposal would do it on the module package while yours would do it on every package trying to use a module
[10:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: you're talking about runtime installing, I'm talking about package build time surely?
[10:12] <apachelogger> they are also exactly the same, except that your solution is impossible to use runtime :P
[10:12] <Riddell> "just" it's obviously not very easy especially if you're snobby about python what will you say to coding in perl :)
[10:13] <apachelogger> which is why I argue that defining them as control entries is the way to go
[10:13] <Riddell> good, I don't want popups all the time saying "now you need to install this, go and fetch someone with the root password"
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you install a plasmoid via plasma and a dep is not there then that is the desired scenario
[10:14] <apachelogger> because the status quo is "yo, we missing org.kde.yolo.kittens.meow, can't do nothing"
[10:14] <Riddell> yes
[10:15] <Riddell> but if you install it via muon or apt you expect it to work without installing more stuff
[10:15] <apachelogger> yes
[10:15] <apachelogger> which is why my suggestion is superior :P
[10:15] <apachelogger> you can use it on a package level and you can use it at runtime for dep resolution inside plasma itself
[10:16] <apachelogger> a simple shlibs-like thing cannot be used at runtime because it requires the package to be already installed (which is the other crux with that btw... you do not actually need the qml modules at build time, so you'd have to install them as bdeps just to be able to resolve their import names)
[10:28] <apachelogger> actually that is something for ubuntu phone as well
[10:28] <apachelogger> xnox: do you any automated qml module dependency generation or do you leave that up to app developers to figure out?
[10:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: why does milou bdep on everything ever?
[10:30] <xnox> apachelogger: app developers -> for clicks they depend on framework which guarantees the deps.
[10:30] <xnox> apachelogger: for debs, i don't think there is anything that auto-generates ${qml:Depends}
[10:31] <apachelogger> k, less useful for clicks then
[10:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: probably it was packaged because I set all the frameworks -dev to dep on what they require
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger, Riddell, I'd like your aproval for something
[10:31] <xnox> apachelogger: i guess creating a debhelper addon for that, would be useful.
[10:31] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: approved
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> I'd like to make a Kubuntu Board related to Promotion
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> and keep the promotion and website stuff over there
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> I want to add several cards
[10:32] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what sort of board? trello?
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> and asign some of them to my web developer friend
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> yes, trello
[10:32] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: approved
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> do I have the rights to make it?
[10:33] <apachelogger> every organization member can make boards
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> done
[10:33] <apachelogger> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello101
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> I've made it
[10:33] <apachelogger> oh, wrong url
[10:33] <apachelogger> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello
[10:34] <apachelogger> must be visible and allow org member joining and have a couple of admins
[10:37] <apachelogger> plasma-framework-dev is incredibly inconsistent with the other package names -.-
[10:37] <ovidiu-florin> can jose be an admin?
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> https://trello.com/b/3Fo1KXoN/kubuntu-promotion
[10:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:44] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: everyone can be an admin for all I care ;)
[10:45] <apachelogger> the point of having more than one admin is that have no organization admins that can control all boards, so to ensure that someone can admin the board in case the creater is unavailable more than one person needs to be admin :)
[10:48] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: want to join?
[10:48] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: the people listed on the trello wiki page you can basically add everywhere and make admin
[10:49] <apachelogger> all the usual suspects
[10:51] <apachelogger> yofel: shadeslayer: Riddell: objections to a next-staging ppa?
[10:51] <apachelogger> or next-proposed for all I care ;)
[10:52] <yofel> I never got my other staging ppa's :'(
[10:52] <yofel> FWIW, approved
[10:52] <apachelogger> yofel: never made them? :P
[10:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm yeah
[10:53] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[10:53] <yofel> apachelogger: back then I had no permissions, Riddell always forgot and in the end I did too
[10:53]  * Riddell begs forgiveness for forgetfulness
[10:53] <yofel> approved ;P
[11:14] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: is kf5 uploading to archive not done yet?
[11:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's all done but then a rejected a bunch which need re-uploaded
[11:15] <Riddell> checked and re-uploaded
[11:15] <Riddell> I fixed all the tier 3 ones in bzr
[11:15] <Riddell> not sure if there's any tier 1 still to be reuploaded, I don't think so
[11:15] <apachelogger> ah, ok, that explains it then
[11:15]  * Riddell working on kdesudo
[11:15] <apachelogger> I only noticed some kf5s not being greyed out in the ppa ;)
[11:16] <Riddell> there's your todo list :)
[11:16] <apachelogger> still fixing that workspace mess :P
[11:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: how do we generate the meta package btw? from a seed or manually?
[11:21] <Riddell> seed
[11:21] <Riddell> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-plasma5.utopic/
[11:21] <Riddell> but I'm wondering if it was a mistake to rename it to kubuntu-plasma5
[11:21] <apachelogger> thx
[11:22] <Riddell> since all the other packages don't co-install unless we expect to put them in the ubuntu archive
[11:22]  * apachelogger notes that we should ditch CK from kde4 somehow
[11:22] <Riddell> CK?
[11:22] <apachelogger> consolekit
[11:22] <Riddell> consolekit?
[11:22] <Riddell> that thing is still around?
[11:22] <apachelogger> was pulled in for me anyway
[11:22] <apachelogger> I did some changes to kdm removing ck support
[11:22] <Riddell> I thought "kit" names had gone out of fashion along with qtmultimediakit
[11:22] <apachelogger> but I think there was something in libs also using CK
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: *cough* packagekit *cough*
[11:23] <Riddell> kshutdown?
[11:23] <apachelogger> kshutdownkit, yes, what? :P
[11:23] <Riddell> something aleix is currently moaning about
[11:23] <apachelogger> I did not look into it actually
[11:23] <Riddell> that rdepends on consolekit whatever it is
[11:23] <apachelogger> woudn't kshutdown be in workspace
[11:24] <Riddell> oh user-manager ?
[11:24] <Riddell> dunno why but it depends on it
[11:24] <apachelogger> user-manager uses CK Oo
[11:24] <apachelogger> I wouldn't even know why
[11:24] <Riddell> would be worth checking if that's sane
[11:25] <apachelogger> all the stuff user-manager needs should come from accountsservice
[11:26] <Riddell> I would think so
[11:26]  * apachelogger can't actually find what uses ck_ in kdelibs
[11:26] <apachelogger> :@
[11:28] <apachelogger> libpolkit-qt-1-1
[11:28] <apachelogger> which in turn is deped upon by kauth
[11:28] <apachelogger> ubottu: find Qt5Qml
[11:29] <apachelogger> bot doesn't like me :'<
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already did
[11:32] <shadeslayer> or well, code merged
[11:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5/+merge/227341
[11:33] <shadeslayer> I is way ahead of you my friend :p
[11:34] <xnox> shadeslayer: stuck in proposed.
[11:34] <shadeslayer> doh!
[11:34] <shadeslayer> or is it d'oh!
[11:34] <shadeslayer> I forget
[11:37] <apachelogger> it's phpewwwpheew, that's the sound a jellyfish makes don't you know
[11:37] <shadeslayer> didn't realize jellyfish made noise
[11:37] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:38] <shadeslayer> maybe it's the sound they make when you squish them with your feet
[11:38] <apachelogger> :O
[11:38]  * Riddell lunches
[11:38] <apachelogger> I be hungry too
[11:46] <yofel> so, no jellyfish anymore
[11:46] <Quintasan> hurr durr
[11:46] <apachelogger> wut
[11:46] <yofel> hi Quintasan
[11:46] <apachelogger> Oo
[11:47] <Quintasan> where do I get  hold of any kmail people
[11:47] <yofel> #kontact
[11:47] <yofel> or #akonadi
[11:47] <Quintasan> >Could not create collection trash resourceId: 3
[11:47] <Quintasan> And just closes
[11:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sddm-theme-breeze why is that depping sddm?
[11:48] <yofel> akonadiconsole should tell you what that is
[11:51] <apachelogger> milou rename in staging shortly
[11:53] <apachelogger> breeze-icon-theme with dep on oxygen-icon-theme also in staging shortly
[12:24] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835806/ plz revu
[12:25] <apachelogger> random note of the day: in plasma-workspace kio-extras will actually elevated to depends because the preview capabilities of the wallpaper dialog depend on it
[12:26] <yofel> that's very much... -extra
[12:26] <apachelogger> personally I don't quite get why the thumbnailers are in extra when the wallpaper previews depend on it
[12:27] <yofel> it sounds extra
[12:28] <apachelogger> oh one thing that is on my todo still
[12:29] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: shouldn't we depend on >= 5.0
[12:29] <yofel> looks sane to me...
[12:29] <apachelogger> given some packages also existed in 4.x we might want to make sure we get the 5.x version
[12:35]  * yofel can't make up his mind
[12:47] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835943/ workspace also needs review
[13:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one would imagine that just installing the theme is useless
[13:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so is installing a -data package, we don't reverse dep there either though ...
[13:08] <shadeslayer> should be fixed then?
[13:08] <apachelogger> which one? the data not having a dep cicle of death or sddm technically having one? :P
[13:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how do we select the sddm theme btw?
[13:09] <apachelogger> select/configure
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kcm, which doesn't work at the moment
[13:09] <shadeslayer> d_ed is on that
[13:09] <apachelogger> by default I mean
[13:09] <apachelogger> I install sddm... how do I get a theme?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> I don't follow,. by default you get maui
[13:11] <shadeslayer> which is a dep of sddm
[13:11] <shadeslayer> unless you do apt-get install sddm sddm-theme-foo
[13:11] <shadeslayer> in which case sddm will not work
[13:11] <apachelogger> Recommends: sddm-theme | sddm-theme-maui
[13:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is that the latest?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:11] <apachelogger> still not correct then
[13:12] <shadeslayer> why not?
[13:12] <apachelogger> it needs Depends: sddm-theme-maui
[13:12] <shadeslayer> no it does not,we can not install maui and just specify a config
[13:12] <apachelogger> sddm is quite simply broken if maui is not present, so it's not a recommends and it's also not interchangable with sddm-theme right now
[13:12] <shadeslayer> manually by hand
[13:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, which is what I said
[13:12] <apachelogger> the package relationship is broken
[13:13] <shadeslayer> and if you don't sepecify a theme, maui will be installed ootb
[13:13] <shadeslayer> so it will all work
[13:13] <shadeslayer> I disagree
[13:13] <apachelogger> there's no disagreement to be had
[13:13] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get install sddm --no-install-recommends && sudo start sddm -> black screen
[13:13] <apachelogger> that is broken by any definition of the word
[13:13] <shadeslayer> is not installing recommends even supported?
[13:14] <apachelogger> yes
[13:14] <shadeslayer> Because last I remember, mint does it, and Ubuntu said that they don't supported
[13:14] <yofel> it's the same reason why we *depend* on akonadi-backend-mysql for akonadi-server
[13:14] <shadeslayer> *support it
[13:14] <apachelogger> because the policy says <<package mustn't be broken without recommends>>
[13:14] <yofel> even if it's replacable by hand
[13:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so sddm isn't broken
[13:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install sddm --no-install-recommends && sudo start sddm -> black screen
[13:15] <shadeslayer> you get a black screen because you don't have a theme
[13:15] <apachelogger> duh
[13:15] <yofel> that's pretty broken to me...
[13:15] <shadeslayer> it's not like it crashes
[13:15] <apachelogger> let me fix that for you
[13:15] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get install sddm-theme-breeze
[13:15] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get install sddm
[13:15] <apachelogger> sudo start sddm
[13:15] <apachelogger> black screen
[13:15] <apachelogger> I have a theme and a black screen now
[13:15] <shadeslayer> and that's a sddm bug
[13:16] <apachelogger> no
[13:16] <apachelogger> that's the packaging being wrong
[13:16] <shadeslayer> because SDDM can't be arsed to check for themes other than maui
[13:16] <apachelogger> because I *must* have maui for sddm to work
[13:16] <shadeslayer> no
[13:16] <shadeslayer> I can not have maui and have the right config, and it will work
[13:17] <yofel> you can also have akonadi with sqlite and the right config
[13:17] <shadeslayer> its a bug in the code, and not a packaging issue
[13:17] <apachelogger> yep
[13:17] <apachelogger> I can also install akonadi
[13:17] <apachelogger> and then install akonadi-sqlite
[13:17] <apachelogger> and then configure akonadi to use akonadi-sqlite
[13:17] <apachelogger> so clearly akonadi shouldn't pull in mysql
[13:18] <shadeslayer> so why does it then? why can't akonadi be fixed so that it uses a installed backend
[13:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you have a real hard ETA when the theme lookup issue will be fixed? As in: version or date
[13:18] <yofel> not "soon"
[13:18] <apachelogger> it doesn't really matter what the ETA is
[13:18] <apachelogger> right now the package is broken
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: nope, I haven't checked with upstream about this, though I have to
[13:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just because you say it is a bug doesn't make it a bug
[13:19] <shadeslayer> k I'm done, feel free to do what you think is right, I still don't think it's right
[13:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: FWIW, sure akonadi can be fixed, please go ahead and do it.
[13:19] <yofel> Nobody's done it for years though
[13:19] <apachelogger> e.g. here is an argument where the behavior of akonadi is legit: if sqlite doesn't load or the database gets corrupted (which can happen) we need a solid fallback, therefore mysql must always be available, although it will not be loaded unless absolutely necessary
[13:20] <apachelogger> either way
[13:20]  * yofel doesn't particulary care while sddm is in next, but if it lands in the archive the packaging has to match reality
[13:20] <apachelogger> as I said there is no discussion to be had
[13:20] <apachelogger> if I install sddm without recommends it is broken, that's a bug
[13:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sddm has no bzr branch?
[13:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nevermind
[13:26]  * apachelogger too stupid to use own tools
[13:39] <apachelogger> bzr-buildpackage-ppa now restores orign on sigint :S
[13:49] <apachelogger> breeze milou and plasma-framework moving from stage to next
[13:50] <Riddell> yay
[13:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: my phone says I'm to welcome you to twitter
[13:55] <ovidiu-florin> Don't
[13:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not enjoing it
[13:55] <ovidiu-florin> It's for a contest
[14:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: all uploaded
[14:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kf5?
[14:22] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: if you find a use for it, let me know
[14:23] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[14:24] <apachelogger> sddm moving from stage to next
[14:31] <Riddell> yay
[14:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: still waiting on feedback for workspace, desktop and version requirements from earlier btw
[14:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: what what?
[14:32] <Riddell> I missed that, can you repeat?
[14:32] <apachelogger> [14:24] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835806/ plz revu
[14:32] <apachelogger> [14:29] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: shouldn't we depend on >= 5.0
[14:32] <apachelogger> [14:47] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835943/ workspace also needs review
[14:33] <apachelogger> This would not have happened with Konversation.
[14:33] <yofel> 1) ack'd (with the bit of 5 knowledge I have), 2) can't make up my mind, 3) no time, laterz
[14:34] <Riddell> didn't I rename qtdeclarative5-kf5declarative ?
[14:35] <apachelogger> I dunno
[14:35] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 22 updates, showing the latest 6
[14:35] <apachelogger> quite frankly this package obeying the qml-module thing is a bit silly anyway
[14:35] <apachelogger> as it contains multiple different modules
[14:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes I did, that should be fixed
[14:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: plasma-desktop having versioned depends seems sensible
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: workspace why plasma-widget-milou-kf5 and milou?
[14:38] <Riddell> may want to add your depends changes to changelog
[14:38] <Riddell> otherwise all good
[14:39] <apachelogger> oh
[14:39] <apachelogger> wut
[14:40] <apachelogger> god I hate bzr
[14:40] <apachelogger> so very very very very very much
[14:40] <yofel> bzr++
[14:40]  * yofel ducks
[14:40] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7836508/
[14:40] <apachelogger> that's the correct one
[14:40] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel ^
[14:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: and you're doing the milou package rename too?
[14:43] <apachelogger> already done
[14:43] <apachelogger> already went through staging in fact
[14:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: then lovely
[14:44] <soee> uhm i see this packages are not required anymore: kde-style-qtcurve4 kde-style-qtcurve5 sddm-theme-maldives
[14:44] <soee> and qtcurve is  kept  back
[14:45] <soee> also sddm-theme-maldives is not required but qill be installed :)
[14:46] <apachelogger> The following extra packages will be installed:
[14:46] <apachelogger>   sddm-theme-maui
[14:46] <apachelogger> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[14:46] <apachelogger>   sddm sddm-theme-maui
[14:47] <apachelogger> apt disagrees
[14:47] <soee> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-style-qtcurve4_1.8.18+git20140721-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[14:48] <apachelogger> that's not really the error
[14:48] <soee> yeah
[14:49] <soee> trying to overwrite "/usr/lib/kde4/kstyle_qtcurve_config.so", which exists also in kde-style-qtcurve 1.8.14-3build1
[14:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[14:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why the package rename btw?
[14:49] <apachelogger> should simply be higher version of kde-style-qtcurve IMO
[14:49] <soee> anyway there are qtcurce, kde-style-qtcurve4 kde-style-qtcurve5 ?
[14:50] <soee> *qtcurve
[14:50] <apachelogger> sounds about right
[14:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:51] <soee> hi lordievader
[14:52] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[14:53] <soee> lordievader: great, you ?
[14:54] <lordievader> Meh, could be better.
[14:54] <soee> ;]
[14:54] <soee> brb, reboot
[14:57] <apachelogger> any neon5 users around?
[14:59] <soee> hmm http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/22/session_error.png
[14:59] <apachelogger> eheheh
[14:59] <apachelogger> soee: paste  ... ps aux
[14:59] <apachelogger> don't close the window
[15:00] <soee> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7836590/
[15:00] <apachelogger> mhh
[15:00] <apachelogger> it could be everything xD
[15:00] <apachelogger> hm
[15:01] <apachelogger> hmm
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: FWIW I didn't make that package
[15:01] <soee> :P
[15:01] <apachelogger> soee: let me check for a way to find out what it is
[15:02] <soee> apachelogger: maybe owncloud client that does not work with plasma5 systray ? but this error does nto show on every boot but sometimes
[15:02] <apachelogger> tricky tricky
[15:03] <apachelogger> soee: right click window decoration -> more actions -> special application settings
[15:03] <apachelogger> *applications*, not window
[15:03] <apachelogger> then go to first tab, what name does it mention there?
[15:03] <apachelogger> should be something like description "Application settings for konversation"
[15:06] <soee> shadeslayer: in the description filed ?
[15:06] <apachelogger> yep
[15:06] <soee> Ustawienia programu dla konversation == Application settings for konversation
[15:06] <apachelogger> soee:  if no name shows up ... do a ps aux paste again ... then use ctrl-alt-esc a red death head shoudl appear -> click on the window -> then do another ps aux paste
[15:06] <apachelogger> soee: ah, I meant on the window with the error ;)
[15:06] <soee> apachelogger: thers is name "Application settings for konversation"
[15:07] <soee> ahah :D
[15:07] <soee> apachelogger: got it
[15:07] <soee> "Application settings for spotify"
[15:07] <soee> :)
[15:08] <soee> ok thank you, now i know its spotify fault
[15:08] <apachelogger> soee: well, I am not terribly sure how to handle it with spotify
[15:09] <apachelogger> soee: best report a bug against ksmserver on bugs.kde.org
[15:09] <soee> spotify client isnt any stable
[15:09] <apachelogger> but I think the answer there will be to report against spotify
[15:09] <soee> yes probably
[15:10] <apachelogger> i.e. this wouldn't be a problem if spotify didn't complain about arguments it doesn't understand ... at the same time applications complaining about arguments they don't understand is a general problem with ksmserver trying to restore everything with a session value
[15:10] <apachelogger> alas, I don't know enough about the inner workings of session restoration, so I can't really comment all that much ;)
[15:17] <soee> the LANG=en_US does not work for me, locales problem >?
[15:18] <apachelogger> 'en_US' is not a valid locale identifier
[15:19] <soee> oh i though i used it few times and wored
[15:20] <apachelogger> you need to fix it to en_US.UTF-8
[15:21] <apachelogger> the only locales that have no encoding defined are C and POSIX because they are inherently latin1
[15:21] <soee> apachelogger: ok but i want to use it to execute command using EN
[15:22] <soee> like: #LANG=en_US sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:27] <apachelogger> LANGAUGE=en is what you want
[15:27] <apachelogger> or LANG=C
[15:27] <soee> indeed :o
[15:29] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7836735/ :)
[15:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[15:30] <shadeslayer> k
[15:30] <shadeslayer> noted down
[15:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: can you look at that since you're in the area? ↑ https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/plasma-workspace-work/+merge/227770
[15:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: already gone again. also I am leaving for today, so I'd be earliest tomorrow
[15:44] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger
[15:45] <apachelogger> will fiddle it in with the dep changes staging I guess
[15:45] <apachelogger> anywho
[15:45]  * apachelogger out
[16:03] <shadeslayer> xnox: ping
[16:04] <shadeslayer> xnox: any ideas how to get rid of the LIBEXECDIR var here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/sddm/view/head:/debian/rules#L13
[16:05] <shadeslayer> xnox: because I thought that gnuinstalldirs sets that appropriately on ubuntu
[16:05] <shadeslayer> but apparently doesn't work when used with SDDM
[16:07] <xnox> shadeslayer: if you open a bug and assign it to me, i can look into it.
[16:07] <xnox> shadeslayer: a bit busy atm.
[16:07] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:07] <shadeslayer> I was kind of looking into it myself
[16:26] <Riddell> yay kdesudo ported to frameworks! http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/kdesudo.png
[16:26] <Riddell> needs lots of tidying but nice that it works
[16:39] <shadeslayer> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/1347018
[17:25] <shadeslayer> soee: can you add https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next-staging to check if the kde-style-qtcurve upload fixes things for you?
[17:29] <yofel> what do we need qtcurve for again?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> default application style for Plasma 5
[17:32] <yofel> hm, it would probably help if I had that installed...
[17:33] <shadeslayer> so far my kubuntu next iso is looking pretty sweet :p
[17:33] <yofel> can you add kde-style-qtcurve5 to the p5 seed?
[17:33] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:34] <shadeslayer> done
[17:42]  * yofel reboots and watches intel pixel garbage instead of plymouth
[17:42] <yofel> how did they manage to break it this time ...
[17:49] <yofel> *sigh*
[17:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: is there some setup page that explains how one makes sddm actually work?
[17:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Hmm.. OK I broke digikam.. Builds fails with conflicting dependencies...
[17:58] <Sick_Rimmit> !paste
[18:00] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: if you just need to look something up you can query the bot, just /msg ubottu paste
[18:00] <Sick_Rimmit> Oh ok, let me try
[18:01] <Sick_Rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7837488/
[18:02] <Sick_Rimmit> So I think I am nearly there, logic suggests the control file probably needs version dependencies updating..
[18:02] <yofel> ok, you'll either want to run 'builddeb -S' to just make a source package, or 'sudo apt-get build-dep digikam' if you really want to locally build the binaries
[18:02] <yofel> not sure what you wanted to do...
[18:03] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah OK, I don't understand how you figured that out..
[18:03] <yofel> ok, case 1)
[18:04] <Sick_Rimmit> alright, I'll do that, thanks yofel
[18:04] <yofel> dpkg-checkbuilddeps doesn't error out for source package builds, and your command didn't have -S in it
[18:04] <yofel> case 2) results from you not running case 1) so you'll actually need those installed then
[18:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Maybe I understand this. Working form the packaging guide, it talks about building the .deb using the command you saw in pastebin. However, for something more complex, this docs example skips building the source packages, which are required to then build the binary. If this builddeb -S completes, then I can re-run builddeb -- -us -uc to see if it will then build a compiled binary.
[18:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Have I understood this correctly ?
[18:09] <yofel> well, if you don't use -S you need an environment that can actually build the package, and your system is missing all the build-dependencies
[18:09]  * Sick_Rimmit dives off to man builddeb
[18:10] <yofel> which means either pbuilder, or sbuild, or some other chroot
[18:10] <yofel> or you can build locally while running the dev release
[18:11] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: bzr builddeb is pretty much the bzr interface for debuild
[18:12] <Sick_Rimmit> This is an interesting tool chain...
[18:12] <yofel> so, you're trying to build digikam
[18:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes.. of course I'm really trying to get good enough at packaging to be a useful part of the team
[18:13] <Sick_Rimmit> My reading got me to liking pbuilder, as it creates this pristine chroot..
[18:13] <yofel> do you have a chroot for it? I'm pretty much a very pbuilder centered person, but you can also just make a dev chroot and build stuff locally
[18:14] <Sick_Rimmit> well it struck me that pbuilder took all the hassle away, as it builds to the distro released based upon the changelog? I believe
[18:15] <yofel> usually... yes. Depends on how your .pbuilderrc is set up
[18:15] <yofel> do you have our pbuilder hooks?
[18:15] <Sick_Rimmit> I feel ultimately I will get a broader handle on the range and ability of the tool set, but I'm a handson learner, and to much RTFM, FPMO ;-)
[18:16] <Sick_Rimmit> no it's a stock trusty install, with no config just the build-essential toolk chain etc...
[18:18] <yofel> hm, our ninja wiki page got lost in the wiki move it seems
[18:18] <Sick_Rimmit> I think what makes if tough is the documentation is 1.) all over the place 2.) lets of old stuff, and I get lost real quick, in a dearth of conflicting methods and tools
[18:19] <Sick_Rimmit> but like anything if you just keep kicking it, until something starts to work, that usually gets me there
[18:19] <Sick_Rimmit> I me beligerant than intelligent :-)
[18:19] <yofel> yeah, that's true
[18:20] <yofel> ok, lets make pbuilder do something useful
[18:20] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: bzr co  lp:~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks ~/.pbuilder-hooks
[18:21] <yofel> then put this in your ~/.pbuilderrc
[18:21] <yofel> HOOKDIR="$HOME/.pbuilder-hooks"
[18:22] <yofel> I don't use stuff like pbuilder-dist, just plain pbuilder, so my .pbuilderrc is pretty long: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7837577/ (if you find some useful stuff in it)
[18:23] <yofel> you will want the pkgname_logfile stuff
[18:24] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha.. OK, yep saw that in the README file
[18:24] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: if you have the hooks set up, you should be able to just make a source package for digikam, put it into pbuilder and you'll get what you need to fix from the build log
[18:25] <Sick_Rimmit> Right, I think a session with pbuilder man pages is in order.
[18:27] <yofel> there's a manpage for pbuilder and pbuilderrc, useful to read, but you should be able to start out with just the hooks and a simple pbuilder base image
[18:27] <Sick_Rimmit> yofel: Wow, you have been having fun with your Bash Kung Fu!!.
[18:28] <yofel> hehe, gave me a pbuilder setup that supports eatmydata, parallel gzip, ubuntu, debian, tanglu and icecc
[18:28] <yofel> there's a lot of junk in there too though
[18:29] <Sick_Rimmit> hmm pbuilder --build digikam_4.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc has Crashed and Burned.. Pah!
[18:38]  * Sick_Rimmit Sort of groks pbuilder hooks..
[18:43] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: making progress or is something trolling you? ^^
[18:44] <Sick_Rimmit> Well, I found pretty good pbuilder user manual.
[18:44] <Sick_Rimmit> I think the trouble I am having now with digikam is that pbuilder is trying to build it in a Saucy chroot, so I'm going to fix that with create --distribution utopic
[18:44] <Sick_Rimmit> then try and build it again
[18:45] <Sick_Rimmit> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html
[18:45] <yofel> wow, that's long
[18:46] <yofel> IMO the series detection is pretty flakey, which is why I always build with something like 'sudo -E dist=utopic pbuilder build foo' so it never auto-guesses
[18:58] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: got digikam going?
[18:58] <Sick_Rimmit> Sssssh keep quite, I'm sneaking up on it
[18:59]  * yofel hears something crack and watches a huge DSLR lens falls down on Sick_Rimmit
[18:59]  * Sick_Rimmit lol
[18:59] <Riddell> !testers | 14.04.1 candidate ↑
[18:59] <yofel> :P
[19:00] <alket> :)
[19:00] <alket> what do I have to do :)
[19:01] <Riddell> alket: test the candidate for LTS update 14.04.1 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/318/builds/73626/testcases
[19:01] <alket> thanks
[19:02] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I've got a utopic chroot installing dependencies now, so you never know, it might work..
[19:04] <Sick_Rimmit> alket: Would you like me to undertake one or two of those tests with you ?
[19:05] <alket> Sick_Rimmit: yeah , much appreaciated , im lost
[19:05] <Sick_Rimmit> alket: OK, do you have some questions I can help you with ?
[19:06] <alket> yes
[19:06] <alket> where to test the iso-s ,will vbox do ? or i ahve to make a partition ?
[19:06] <Sick_Rimmit> Indeed vbox is a good place
[19:07] <Sick_Rimmit> Look at the first test for example
[19:07] <Sick_Rimmit> You would want a vbox with say Windows installed, and then mount the iso and try to install it to a dual boot setup
[19:07] <Sick_Rimmit> make sense ?
[19:08] <Sick_Rimmit> In test two you could just flash up a vbox and do a straight install
[19:08] <alket> thanks for ideas
[19:08] <Sick_Rimmit> Test 3, make a vbox with 2 virtual disks, and then use LVM to mount them to the system as one disc, and encrypt them..
[19:09] <Sick_Rimmit> That one's a little more complex
[19:09] <alket> ok I will try
[19:09] <alket> but I have to watch that video first on how to use tracker I guess
[19:11] <soee> someone tried sddm already ?
[19:12] <yofel> soee: me, crap so far
[19:12] <soee> :P
[19:12] <yofel> i.e. fails on start without error
[19:12] <soee> there were some updates lately
[19:12] <soee> i thought maybe some fixes
[19:12] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit, alket: do test encrypted LVM without setting up disks, the installer should do that itself
[19:14] <Sick_Rimmit> yofel: Ah what I meant was create a virtual machine, but add an extra virtual HDD, so the machine looks like it has 2 discs installed. Then go for an LVM install with encryption, and it should sort that out automagically. <- Am I on same page as you yofel
[19:14] <alket> yofel: thanks
[19:15] <yofel> oh, that would be good yeah. I was thinking single-disk
[19:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah ha so digikam build has exploded..
[19:18] <Sick_Rimmit> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7837857/
[19:18] <yofel> seriously...?
[19:18] <Sick_Rimmit> I think its this
[19:18] <Sick_Rimmit> CMake Warning at extra/libkface/CMakeLists.txt:78 (MESSAGE):
[19:19] <Sick_Rimmit>   OpenCV: Version is too old.
[19:19] <yofel> stupid opencv
[19:19] <yofel> yeah, it's that
[19:19] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah right... well the fact that I got that, is a good sign..
[19:19] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: that's in a pbuilder?
[19:20] <yofel> sid has 2.4.9, so someone will have to merge that
[19:20] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah I wonder if I made a mistake
[19:20] <yofel> you did not
[19:20] <Sick_Rimmit> sudo pbuilder --build digikam_4.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[19:20] <Riddell> opencv also seems to be stuck in proposed
[19:21] <Sick_Rimmit> I was sudo.
[19:21] <yofel> our opencv is too old, all I said was that debian has the version we need
[19:21] <Sick_Rimmit> when it dropped FTBFS if left me in as Root
[19:21] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: the message is as it says, opencv needs to be 2.4.9, we have only 2.4.8 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opencv
[19:21] <Riddell> debian has 2.4.9 https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=opencv
[19:21] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: that's one of the hooks so you can look into stuff on failure
[19:21] <yofel> if you want to quit just ctrl+d
[19:22] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah OK, so it looks like I can probably make a succesful build once OpenCV is updated
[19:22] <Sick_Rimmit> yofel: Ah ha got you, I see what's happened there
[19:23] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I can help you merge opencv if you have a spare hour or two
[19:25] <Riddell> boy, I thought I was fanatical about KDE, this guy is nuts http://paste.kde.org/pp9ggrvee
[19:25] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Are you about tomorrow ?
[19:26] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: yep
[19:26] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I want to review what I did to get this far, with digikam and make a few notes. Then tomorrow I will work on opencv, that way I won't confuse myself
[19:26] <yofel> why? Some people collect stamps, some tarballs :D
[19:28] <Riddell> if he's that much of a fan he should become a packager, then he'll have to put up with every tar there is
[19:32] <soee> sddm log, just tried it again http://paste.ubuntu.com/7837920/
[19:39] <soee> qtcurve showed up on the list :)
[19:43] <Sick_Rimmit> My notes from my journey to the centre of Kubuntu packaging -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7837976/
[23:41]  * yofel wonders why people put backports into the updates ppa all the time -.-
[23:41] <yofel> *sigh*


[11:45] <webrsk> I couldn't find a option to create user in Quickshot..
[11:58] <webrsk> any IRC channel specifically for QuickShot ?
[16:05] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: ping
[16:05] <ChrisWoollard> Sorry about the commas
[16:06] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: no worries.
[16:06] <ChrisWoollard> I will fix it in a bit
[16:06] <Omega> Hey guys.
[16:06] <daker> godbyk, ping
[16:06] <godbyk> We have really weird rules about punctuation and quotation marks in the U.S.
[16:06] <godbyk> (They're not at all consistent.)
[16:06] <ChrisWoollard> I didn't realise that commas gon in speech marks in american english. I thought that was an error.
[16:06] <godbyk> daker: pong
[16:07] <daker> i need you to setup a staging server
[16:07] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Usually the punctuation goes inside the quotation marks, but there are cases where it doesn't.
[16:07] <godbyk> daker: Sure. What do you need me to do?
[16:08] <Omega> godbyk: | .     |?
[16:09] <daker> Omega, a way of poking people
[16:09] <daker> godbyk, staging.u-m.o which can run a django project
[16:09] <Omega> daker: I am aware.
[16:10] <Omega> That was my way of poking fun.
[16:10] <godbyk> daker: Okay. I'll see if I can get that set up for ya.
[16:10] <daker> godbyk, thanks
[16:20] <godbyk> daker: what will you need for databases?
[16:20] <daker> actually i am not sure if we are going to use sqlite or mysql
[16:38] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: I have modified the punctuation from uk to us english. Sorry about that.
[16:38] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: thanks. np.
[16:38] <godbyk> it happens all the time. :)
[16:38] <ChrisWoollard> I bet it does
[16:40] <godbyk> daker: Do you have code in the repository someplace that staging.u-m.o should point to?
[16:40] <daker> lp:ubuntu-manua-website
[16:40] <daker> oops
[16:40] <daker> lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[16:41] <daker> exactly lp:ubuntu-manual-website/umpwebsite
[16:41] <daker> there is a README file there
[16:42] <godbyk> 'kay.
[16:58] <godbyk> daker: is the name of the django module 'umpwebsite'?
[16:58] <daker> yep
[17:03] <c7p1> hello, is the quickshot done ?
[17:04] <nisshh> jenkins: ^^^
[17:10] <jenkins> hey c7p1 it is but no one has told us what screenshots are needed it is on the agenda to be done in the next meeting
[17:11] <c7p1> im not asking for that
[17:11] <c7p1> Do you need any testers or something like that ?
[17:13] <jenkins> yea feel free to test it https://edge.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/+archive/quickshot-release is the ppa info and use http://flan.uguu.ca:5000/ump/test as the projecy url
[17:13] <jenkins> that would be great c7p1
[17:14] <c7p1> ok ;)
[17:14] <daker> jenkins, bug 641424
[17:14] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 641424 in quickshot "Quickshot allow the users to create the"quichshottest" with one character in the password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641424
[17:14] <godbyk> daker: where are is the index.html page?  where should the web server look for the html pages?
[17:15] <daker> godbyk, there is not index.html
[17:15] <jenkins> thanks daker I will see if that can be fixed asap
[17:17] <daker> godbyk, what you are using? modwsgi ?
[17:18] <daker> jenkins, https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickshot/+bug/641424/+attachment/1598738/+files/Capture-User%20account%20-%20Quickshot.png
[17:18] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 641424 in quickshot "Quickshot allow the users to create the"quichshottest" with one character in the password" [Undecided,New]
[17:18] <daker> the logo is cropped and the text too
[17:19] <c7p1> jenkins: when the quickshot reach the v.1 will it be available for translation
[17:19] <jenkins> thaks i will look at that as well
[17:19] <daker> jenkins, oki
[17:19] <jenkins> yep c7p1,
[17:19] <jenkins> catch everyone later got to go o/
[17:20] <godbyk> daker: nope. passenger_wsgi.py  I don't have modwsgi available to me.
[17:22] <godbyk> daker: I need to know what the DocumentRoot should be.  (It's usually the public/ directory for Rails apps, for instance.)
[17:22] <godbyk> daker: Also, what's csstidy used for?
[17:23] <godbyk> More specifically, does it need to exist on the server?
[17:32] <daker> godbyk, yep
[17:33] <daker> godbyk, let me see for the DocumentRoot
[17:34] <godbyk> daker: which version of csstidy: the php version or the binary executable version?
[17:35] <daker> godbyk, sudo apt-get install csstidy
[17:35] <godbyk> I can't do that.
[17:35] <godbyk> Remember, it's a shared servetr
[17:36] <daker> euh :s
[17:36] <godbyk> yeah.
[17:36] <godbyk> I can compile a copy of it.
[17:36] <godbyk> I just didn't know which of these to download: http://csstidy.sourceforge.net/download.php
[17:40] <daker> godbyk, the c++
[17:40] <godbyk> 'kay
[17:41] <thorwil> hi! c++?
[17:44] <daker> thorwil, we are talking about CssTidy
[17:46] <daker> godbyk, i think the DocumentRoot is the path to the ump website branch
[18:03] <daker> godbyk, everything is oki ?
[18:36] <daker> godbyk, ?
[18:45] <godbyk> daker: working on compiling csstidy.
[18:46] <godbyk> it had a bug I had to fix.
[18:46] <daker> we can remove it if that causing problems
[18:46] <godbyk> it should be okay now.
[18:47] <daker> oki
[19:00] <godbyk> hey, daker. It appears to not be working for some unknown reason.
[19:00] <godbyk> I'm trying to track down the problem.
[19:02] <godbyk> ah, I have an idea why.
[19:02] <godbyk> the server is currently pointed at public/ instead of umpwebsite
[19:02] <godbyk> lemme move things and see if that helps
[19:02] <daker> oki
[19:03] <godbyk> that didn't seem to help
[19:03] <daker> dutchie, ping
[19:04] <dutchie> yarp?
[19:04] <daker> any experience with passenger_wsgi.py ?
[19:05] <dutchie> no, none whatsoever
[19:07] <daker> godbyk, in the normal case /public should contains what ?
[19:10] <godbyk> Here are the instructions I'm working from: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/index.php/Django
[19:10] <godbyk> I just found this troubleshooting section: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Passenger_WSGI#500_Errors_with_Passenger_WSGI_Workaround
[19:10] <godbyk> I'm reading it now.
[19:12] <dutchie> is this another thing that would be easier to serve on my vps?
[19:12] <godbyk> dutchie: I think this is daker's new UMP site.
[19:13] <daker> dutchie, the umpwebsite
[19:13] <daker> a django project
[19:14] <dutchie> the offer's there
[19:18] <godbyk> I'll play around with it a bit more later when my brain's working.
[19:18] <godbyk> I've setup django apps on there before, so I know it works.
[19:20] <daker> the /public contains what ?
[19:22] <godbyk> let me wipe out all of it and have it set up the defaults again. then I'll tell you
[19:23] <godbyk> the default files in there are just favicon.gif, favicon.ico, quickstart.html (just telling you that you haven't set things up yet), and the media dir that holds the static css, img, and js files.
[19:25] <daker> static files are in /static
[19:32]  * daker is confused
[19:35] <godbyk> *now* we're getting somewhere.
[19:35] <godbyk> had to kill the original python process to get it to reload some stuff.
[19:35] <godbyk> now I have more debugging info.
[19:36] <daker> read the README file
[19:38] <godbyk> your readme? I did.
[19:38] <daker> yep
[19:38] <daker> have installed django-compress ?
[19:38] <daker> you*
[19:38] <godbyk> yep
[19:39] <godbyk> I'm looking to see if it's in the proper path
[19:39] <daker> oki
[19:39] <godbyk> aha.
[19:40] <godbyk> it's in the 2.4 site packages dir
[19:40] <godbyk> but I'm using python 2.6
[19:40] <godbyk> one moment.
[19:40] <godbyk> lemme tell the stupid installer what's what.
[19:40] <daker> 2.6 or 2.5
[19:40] <daker> ?
[19:41] <godbyk> 2.6.5
[19:53] <daker> brb
[20:05] <godbyk> still some issues.
[20:05] <godbyk> but I'm getting closer.
[20:05] <godbyk> I'll come back to this later. I have to get a couple other things done first.
[20:08] <daker> oki
[21:25] <ChrisWoollard> evening all


[02:56] <jjk_saji> Hi , I am from UAE, name joseph john
[10:35] <belkinsa> jjk_saji, do you need help?
[10:43] <jjk_saji> hi


[01:35] <xubuntu72w> hello all. was hoping for some advice. I'm trying to install 14.04 on my media PC to replace windows 7. I see the initial menu and choose install. the xubuntu splash screen comes up. spins for a sec then the PC locks up. any tips?
[01:36] <HassanCehef> maybe an issue with the graphic card drivers.
[01:37] <HassanCehef> xubuntu72w, did you try the "Try Xubuntu" option, instead of Install?
[01:37] <xubuntu72w> its running onGIGABYTE GA-MA785GMT-UD2H AM3 AMD 785G with a nvidia card
[01:38] <xubuntu72w> should I disable the external and use the on board for install only mayne
[01:38] <xubuntu72w> maybe°
[01:38] <HassanCehef> I really don't know.
[01:38] <xubuntu72w> I tried the try option same issue
[01:38] <HassanCehef> oh.
[01:39] <xubuntu72w> year. not really new to buntu but not a master either
[01:39] <xubuntu72w> I'll start with the video tho. gives me someplace to go with. thanks hassancehef
[01:40] <HassanCehef> you are welcome. Happy new year with xubuntu :)
[01:40] <xubuntu72w> thanks. same to you. if I can get this running right I will be lol
[02:03] <nerdistmonk> Is there any particular reason that openjdk is rendered totally useless by default? how do i go about getting a working cacerts file installed so i can run anything?
[02:58] <holstein> nerdistmonk: what are you trying to run?
[02:59] <nerdistmonk> well minecraft for starters
[03:00] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/198476/how-to-install-minecraft-on-ubuntu-or-any-other-linux-distribution/
[03:00] <nerdistmonk> sigh nevermind.
[03:00] <holstein> when i have to use java, i use the PPA
[03:00] <nerdistmonk> the ppa doesnt work for me
[03:00] <nerdistmonk> because libreoffice needs openjre
[03:01] <nerdistmonk> and if you try to remove openjre it just attempts reinstallation of another version
[03:01] <holstein> nerdistmonk: you can get around that with libre
[03:01] <holstein> anyways, just let a volunteer know if you have a question.. you can also use #ubuntu since its not related to xubuntu or xfce, and there may be a larger crowd there using java..
[03:02] <nerdistmonk> i just gave up and tossed it all out
[03:02] <nerdistmonk> openjre should be working fine out of the box but its not
[03:02] <holstein> nerdistmonk: it doesnt ship "out of the box"..
[03:03] <nerdistmonk> well neither does the java ppa...
[03:03] <holstein> sure.. im just addressing what compromises i personally accept when running java applications
[03:04] <holstein> ppa's are not officially supported, but, i run that ppa when i have to use java.. and i cant find a work around
[03:04] <holstein> typically works, no problem.. never had an issue using libreoffice afterwards..
[09:36] <roo79x> Hi all happy new year!, I have been trying to make my own empty trash quicklists but everything I have read and tried will not work? I have tried a few rm commands but everything I try fails, also any item I put into trash has a locked icon over it? does anyone have any ideas please? xubuntu 14.0.1 64bit
[10:16] <roo79x>  Hi all happy new year!, I have been trying to make my own empty trash quicklists but everything I have read and tried will not work? I have tried a few rm commands but everything I try fails, also any item I put into trash has a locked icon over it? does anyone have any ideas please? xubuntu 14.04.1 64bit
[10:22] <brainwash> roo79x: what did you try exactly and what was the result (error/warning messages)?
[10:24] <brainwash> roo79x: regarding the lock icon -> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=144695
[10:25] <roo79x> thanks I'll read up before I get back to you
[10:28] <roo79x> the main script I used to use on other ubuntu distros is here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33140680/Linux/general/scripts/scripts/my01delete-trash-script.sh
[10:29] <roo79x> and a secure delete script I have tried here https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33140680/Linux/general/scripts/scripts/madmatts-delete-trash.sh
[10:31] <brainwash> do these scripts generate any errors when run in a terminal window?
[10:33] <brainwash> also, do they only fail in xubuntu, but work fine in other ubuntu distros?
[10:34] <roo79x> have not tried them in a while but last time no... will run them now the delete trash script is just rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/*/*
[10:34] <brainwash> right, it's a pretty simple script
[10:34] <brainwash> maybe you should ask in #bash for help with shell scripts
[10:36] <roo79x> ok just ran my01delete-trash-script and it worked no errors and it deleted the items in the trash
[10:40] <brainwash> roo79x: problem solved then?
[10:42] <roo79x> ok just ran madmatts-delete-trash.sh and it worked no errors and it deleted the items in the trash... but neither script will work from a quicklist on docky that I have created?
[10:44] <brainwash> quicklist? do you simply select the script like a file or is the script actually executed?
[10:45] <brainwash> you could create a desktop launcher and check if it works this way
[10:47] <roo79x> the script is executed, when I right click an icon on docky there is an option in the menu I named empty trash, when I click the option in the menu the script is meant to run.. I'll try the launcher idea and see if that works thank you
[10:59] <reggie-man> My discs aren't automounting.
[11:00] <bjorn_> Hi, someone knows how to change the default browser to chromium when I click links?
[11:02] <brainwash> bjorn_: did you try to change it via settings manager > preferred applications?
[11:15] <bjorn_> brainwash, , yes. but I havent restarted... maybe Ill try that
[11:16] <brainwash> bjorn_: a relog should be enough, but I doubt that it's needed
[11:17] <bjorn_> brb
[11:21] <bjorn_> brainwash, It worked after relog
[11:21] <brainwash> bjorn_: great :)
[14:00] <reggie-man> I put a new .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications, but it's not showing up in the menu.
[14:13] <brainwash> reggie-man: does it show up and work properly if you place it on the desktop?
[14:14] <brainwash> reggie-man: maybe it's assigned to the "other" category
[14:15] <brainwash> try the menu editor (menulibre) to locate / move it
[14:18] <aramo> Hi! I've installed xubuntu on old asus eee pc. I have video tearing an all kind of videos. How to fix this?
[14:20] <brainwash> aramo: look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2212418
[14:25] <reggie-man> I figured it out, brainwash. I had nodisplay set to true.
[14:38] <aramo> thanks
[14:39] <cfhowlett> aramo, install the correct video driver?
[14:45] <reggie-man> Yeah, aramo, try installing the proprietary driver. Aslo, I know it can be frustrating, but sometimes you have to be patient in support channels.
[14:47] <aramo>  cfhowlett: lsmod shows i915 driver
[14:48] <aramo> I have intel vga chip. Does it have proprietary driver?
[14:52] <holstein> aramo: shouldnt need one
[14:53] <holstein> aramo: i have an EEE with an unsupported intel chip for GPU.. but, the others i have used, and setup, and own *all* just work "out of the box"
[14:56] <aramo> holstein: i have Intel 915 chip
[14:57] <aramo> lsmod shows that i915 driver is loaded
[14:57] <holstein> aramo: there are no drivers for intel  like that
[14:57] <holstein> aramo: the linux kernel is modular.. so, the kernels are "baked" into the kernel. you dont need to install drivers for *most* hardware
[14:57] <aramo> holstein: but i915 kernel module what is it?
[14:57] <aramo> sure that is why I think that there should be no issue with driver
[14:57] <holstein> aramo: intel typically provides support for linux, and will just work "out of the box"
[14:58] <holstein> aramo: that is why i think you are assuming an issue with the driver
[14:58] <aramo> but  what about tearing. On Lubuntu I didn't have video tearing. On Xubuntu I have it.
[14:58] <holstein> aramo: are you comparing lubuntu 14.04 with xubuntu 14.04?
[14:59] <aramo> yes
[14:59] <aramo> let me check the link provided by brainwash
[14:59] <holstein> aramo: lubuntu and xubuntu *are* ubuntu.. same kernel, same drivers.. same plumbing. same repos
[14:59] <brainwash> ..different window manager
[14:59] <holstein> aramo: could be, you have not updated one or the other with an upgrade that "Fixes" support
[14:59] <holstein> could be the xubuntu/xfce compositor
[14:59] <holstein> could be misconfiguration.. etc
[15:01] <brainwash> aramo: the first step would be to disable the built-in compositor (settings manager > window manager tweaks > last tab)
[15:03] <brainwash> now xubuntu should behave similar to lubuntu
[15:06] <holstein> aramo: look for, and apply all upgrades, turn off compositing, check your performance with something other than flash video in a web browser, and let the volunteers know how it works..
[15:19] <aramo> Composition was turned off. Everything is up to date.
[15:20] <holstein> aramo: its on by default, AFAIK.. check and make sure that is *is* turned off
[15:20] <holstein> it is*
[15:20] <aramo> I've disabled it before.
[15:20] <holstein> aramo: sure. just check and make sure its off now, though
[15:20] <aramo> done
[15:21] <holstein> aramo: and, you can even try turning it on, and see if it improves, and elaborate about what exactly is tearing and how
[15:21] <aramo> If I turn it on. I will have worst performance when moving windows etc...
[15:21] <holstein> aramo: you will? or you do? have you tried? if not, please try it, and also, share what exactly is tearing, and how?
[15:22] <aramo> I've tried
[15:22] <aramo> ok
[15:23] <holstein> aramo: i have *many* of those netbooks. and i dont expect amazing performance from then with video playback, or 3d graphics rendering
[15:24] <aramo> holstein: sure but I have tearing when I play very simple small videos. I cannot play any youtube videos
[15:25] <holstein> aramo: youtube is using flash.. adobe doesnt provide a current flash version to general linux. you must use the pepperflash version they provide for the chrome browser if you need current flash suport
[15:25] <holstein> http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:26] <aramo> What about html5 video streaming
[15:26] <holstein> there are ways to run that flash in chromium and firefox if you prefer, but, when troubleshooting what you are asking about, i'll just install the chrome browser, and test with flash content in the current flash version, after comfirming my version here http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:26] <aramo> that youtube provides
[15:26] <holstein> aramo: sure, but not for everything
[15:27] <holstein> aramo: youtube doesnt state, "bring any old low-powered device that you have decided to run an unsupported operating system on here and we'll make sure you have smooth video playback"
[15:27] <holstein> aramo: it can be challenging, i understand, but, please try and use the current version of flash in your tests, and try and remove, as i suggested before, web playback from your testing
[15:29] <aramo> The problem is that I saw that this old netbook played well these video files that I have with an old version of ubuntu and with recent lubuntu version as well
[15:29] <aramo> is there any way to decrease rendering quality to improve performance?
[15:32] <holstein> aramo: sure.. but, what video is the issue? what codec? what are you playing it on? when troubleshooting, i use my known-good video files that are well supported in the vlc player, and i *dont* test flash playback in that setup.. or html5 video playback.. what are you using, friend? what file? what filetype? what player?
[15:33] <aramo> holstein QuickTime video files with VLC player
[15:33] <aramo> I have similar result with default parolee player
[15:33] <holstein> aramo: try testing with something that is well supported, in vlc.. ogg video, etc
[15:34] <AgAu> quicktime... eww :P
[15:34] <aramo> ok)))
[15:35] <holstein> aramo: nothing about xubuntu/ubuntu/linux is preventing any of that content from working. but, its all quite closed, and doenst promise desktop linux playback
[15:37] <aramo> btw: how to check available RAM?
[15:37] <holstein> aramo: the operating system will be able to utilize the ram as needed. its pretty much *all* available..
[15:38] <holstein> aramo: you can use something like "top" to check what resources are being used and how
[15:38] <aramo> maybe there is no enough memory, I just wonder why I play those videos with Lubuntu
[15:38] <holstein> aramo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/142505/is-there-an-application-that-can-show-memory-usage-in-a-similar-manner-to-top for example
[15:39] <holstein> aramo: sure, and that is a good thing to test for, and work out.. but, the ram is the *same* in both lubuntu and xubuntu.. and, i have many of those type machines with similar specs
[15:39] <aramo> 1 GB ram should be enough anyway...
[15:39] <holstein> no doubt, more ram is better.. but, it doesnt fix apple quick time video support in an unsupported operating system, or flash support.. etc
[15:45] <aramo> holstein: btw vk videos are ok with 360p quality
[15:45] <holstein> aramo: vk?
[15:46] <aramo> 480p is tearing
[15:46] <holstein> https://vk.com/just_vid ?
[15:46] <aramo> its a russian facebook like social network where you can share videos :-)
[15:46] <holstein> aramo: what format? are they promising desktop linux playback?
[15:47] <aramo> it is html5 streaming
[15:47] <holstein> anyways.. thats what i would expect kfrom a low spec laptop..
[15:47] <aramo> everything above 360p is tearing
[15:47] <holstein> aramo: sure. and i suggest, again, *not* testing with streaming video like that..
[15:48] <aramo> You recomment to have several videos of open well supported formats?
[15:48] <holstein> could be, lxde is freeing up more background system resources, allowing you to squeak more performance out.. but, i think you'll find, with more "apples to apples" comparison, that xubuntu and lubuntu are quite similar in playback performance
[15:49] <holstein> aramo: formats that can and do promise desktop linux playback.. thats what i test with
[15:49] <aramo> btw: Happy New Year)
[15:49] <holstein> aramo: cheers!
[15:50] <aramo> I use Gentoo on my personal computers. But often people ask me to fix their laptops or to install any system on it. Most of them need to have any internet access and to have Skype working
[15:50] <aramo> that is it
[15:50] <aramo> You do a great job here my friends
[15:50] <holstein> skype is also not a "good" test.. since they dont support linux officially any longer
[15:50] <aramo> sure it is a bad test but, it is something that people need
[15:51] <holstein> aramo: sure, but that doenst change the fact that they are welcome and able to support linux.. its all open here, and they are welcome and encouraged to give people what they "need"
[15:51] <holstein> there is little that the linux desktop communities can do to faciliate support, since its all closed
[15:52] <aramo> sure
[15:52] <aramo> BTW: a while ago I found Viber Android version spy on users. Don't use that.
[15:53] <holstein> aramo: well, i think we would need to factually define a few terms.. like "spy", etc.. but, im sure there are more appropriate security channels..
[15:54] <aramo> It requests an access to the camera and call log :-) frequently without any reason for that
[15:54] <aramo> YOu do nothing but Viber tries to access the camera
[15:54] <holstein> aramo: sure. let them know you have an issue with it..
[15:55] <aramo> https://www.facebook.com/aram.tatalyan/posts/1590941741140299
[15:56] <holstein> !ot
[15:56] <holstein> aramo: let the creators of the software know.. you can use many open alternatives that you are welcome and able to audit
[15:57] <aramo> Sure I did it. But their answer is shocking
[16:12] <aramo> holstein: here it is https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1602421916658948&set=p.1602421916658948&type=1&theater
[16:13] <holstein> aramo: share it in the OT rooms, please.. thanks..
[16:13] <aramo> what is OT room?
[16:13] <holstein> aramo: i assure you, im not interested in viber, but, if anyone is, they are welcome and ecouraged to get facts.. there are open alternatives that you can audit
[16:13] <holstein> !ot | aramo
[18:25] <rosaecaeruleae> my x screensaer is very outdated, how do I upgrade it?
[18:27] <xangua> if an update is not aviable in ubuntu official repositories, compile from source
[18:54] <knome> rosaecaeruleae, why do you need a new version? is something not working?
[19:43] <rosaecaeruleae> apparently my distro is doing me a disservice
[19:52] <brainwash> rosaecaeruleae: xubuntu switched to light-locker, so is there a reason why you use xscreensaver?
[19:53] <brainwash> rosaecaeruleae: and how do you know that your xscreensaver is "very outdated"?
[19:54] <brainwash> xscreensaver is an ancient program anyway :)
[20:26] <slickymaster> [A
[20:27] <slickymaster>
[20:31] <mucus> hm, i keep getting not allowed errors. . .
[20:31] <brainwash> !details | mucus
[20:35] <mucus> i tried installing teamviewer via a .deb package.  this brought up the ubuntu software center where i get an "Authentication Error   Software can't be installed ore removed because the authentication service is not available..." after about 15 second another window pops up and says "The application Ubuntu Software Center has experienced and internal error..." the both refrence (org.freedesktop.Pol
[20:35] <mucus> icyKit.Error.Failed: ('system-bus-name', {'name':  ':1.83'}): org.debian.apt.install-file
[20:36] <mucus> after closing those errors i get another message "You are not allowed to perform this action  You do not have the required privileges to perform this action."
[20:39] <mucus> do i need to enter a sudo command or something. . . ?
[20:40] <brainwash> the software center should prompt for a password and install the package.. strange
[20:40] <brainwash> you can try the classic way and run "sudo dpkg -i <package>" in a terminal window
[20:41] <mucus> jiggy, i'll need to put the foll path of the package, right?
[20:41] <mucus> s/fo/fu/
[20:41] <brainwash> yes, or navigate to the directory with the package first
[20:41] <mucus> run terminal from that folder. . .
[20:51] <mucus> continuing to get all these errors. . . i don't think the os installed properly. . .
[20:51] <paolo> hello, i'm upgrading from 14.04 to 14.10
[20:51] <paolo> W:Failed to fetch http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/utopic-backports/universe/binary-amd64/Packages  Hash Sum mismatch
[20:51] <paolo> , E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[20:52] <paolo> is it safe to continue?
[21:19] <frasson> Hi. I am migrating from ubuntu-gnome to xbuntu.  I installed xubuntu-desktop and started to use xfce. But recover from lock screen doen't happen.
[21:20] <frasson> Then I did a cleanup (instructions to actually convert ubuntu to xubuntu, but I was using ubuntu-gnome)
[21:20] <frasson> The cleanup was the following: sudo apt-get remove nautilus gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-termina* gnome-pane* gnome-applet* gnome-bluetooth gnome-desktop* gnome-sessio* gnome-user* gnome-shell-common compiz compiz* unity unity* hud zeitgeist zeitgeist* python-zeitgeist libzeitgeist* activity-log-manager-common gnome-control-center gnome-screenshot overlay-scrollba* && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-community-wallpapers && sudo apt-get autore
[21:20] <frasson> move
[21:21] <frasson> Now, I have only xfce.  But still, I cannot recover from suspend, for example.
[21:21] <frasson> Can someone give some light on this?
[22:58] <xubuntu89w> rebooted xubuntu and gray background and no icons on desktop any tips?
[23:01] <deshipu> xubuntu89w: press alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop' and press enter
[23:21] <xubuntu89w> thanks deshipu
[23:26] <gowned> the default xscreensaver of xubuntu 14.10 is 5.26 while the newest version online is 5.30. How do I report that? If I click on settings > screensaver first thing I get is "your distro is doing you a disservice, please update"
[23:26] <gowned> thats how I know that my xscreensaver is "very outdated"
[23:26] <gowned> literally
[23:27] <knome> gowned, xubuntu doesn't use xscreensaver by default in 14.10... but you can try to track down the xscreensaver package maintainer for the ubuntu repositories
[23:28] <gowned> knome, what if I get rid f the package?
[23:28] <knome> gowned, then you won't have xscreensaver.
[23:28] <gowned> knome, which means, no screensavers?
[23:28] <knome> yes
[23:28] <gowned> a
[23:29] <gowned> where do I ask who is the maintainer?
[23:29] <knome> http://packages.ubuntu.com/vivid/xscreensaver tells us there is no specific ubuntu maintainer
[23:30] <knome> so probably best to just file a bug about the old version
[23:30] <knome> and then somebody will possibly get on it.
[23:30] <gowned> is gnomescreensaver the defaul screensaver package for xubutnu?
[23:31] <knome> no
[23:31] <knome> xubuntu 14.10 uses light-locker over any screensaver
[23:34] <gowned> ok, noob question, where do I file a bug?
[23:35] <knome> in launchpad.net
[23:35] <knome> !bug | gowned
[23:36] <knome> ^ or by running 'ubuntu-bug xscreensaver' (opens launchpad in a browser)
[23:36] <knome> you'll need to have a launchpad (ubuntu one) account in order to be able to file a bug.
[23:42] <gowned> .........
[23:43] <Vessel_> Hello world!
[23:43] <knome> hello
[23:43] <Vessel_> How ya doin'?
[23:44] <knome> fine
[23:44] <knome> do you have a support question?
[23:44] <Vessel_> Yes, kinda. Just wondering if you could help me. My folders and files on my USB are all in read only and I cant seem to change them.
[23:46] <Vessel_> It sounds dumb but I tried changing the folders permissions and it says its in read & write but it wont work.
[23:51] <gowned> im in launchpad and can only browse bugs, not report new ones
[23:57] <knome> gowned, are you logged in?
[23:58] <gowned> yes knome
[23:58] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+filebug