[12:30] <zul> crimsun_: eerie
[01:59] <zul> BenC: its hasnt failed yet has it? :)
[02:00] <BenC> unfortunately I can't watch the builds for -security :(
[02:00] <zul> ah..
[02:00] <BenC> but I suspect it's going well, since no one has complained yet :)
[02:00] <zul> or no one is awake
[02:00] <zul> then again
[03:20] <infinity> No one was awake.  I'll go check and see if I should be complaining.
[03:20] <chuck_> please
[03:20] <infinity> Which one(s) am I looking at?
[03:21] <infinity> Ben's latest 2.6.15 upload looks buggered all over.
[03:21] <chuck_> hoary/breezy is mine
[03:22] <ajmitch> morning infinity
[03:22] <infinity> Your latest 2.6.12 builds on amd64, but still fails on sparc (did you try to fix sparc?)
[03:22] <chuck_> no im trying to get sparc up and running
[03:23] <chuck_> and im trying to figure out whats wrong with it as well
[03:43] <zul> infinity: what about 2.6.10?
[03:44] <infinity> It's fine.
[03:44] <zul> whoo..
[03:44] <infinity> (For all I know, it's FTBFS on sparc too, but I don't build hoary on sparc/hppa)
[03:45] <infinity> And don't really intend to start.
[03:45] <zul> hehe
[04:06] <crimsun_> (offline for ~1 hr)
[04:27] <zul> night folks
[05:29] <BenC> crimsun_: fixed another build failure in cs46xx
[05:33] <crimsun_> BenC: besides the typo 5/6 one?
[05:33] <BenC> yeah, I picked up that patch, but there was one more in the .c file
[05:34] <crimsun_> ah geez
[05:34] <crimsun_> sorry 'bout that
[05:34] <BenC> -int snd_cs46xx_suspend(snd_card_t *card, pm_message_t state)
[05:34] <BenC> +int snd_cs46xx_suspend(struct pci_dev *pci, pm_message_t state);
[05:34] <BenC> np
[05:34] <BenC> my fault for not build testing after those last two patches
[05:37] <crimsun_> sheesh, silly me. Of course pci would have been undefined since it would have been missing as an actual parameter...
[12:56] <zul> heylo
[02:36] <kimo> I'm dying for sky2 driver update! When are we getting the kernel update :)
[02:44] <fabbione> kimo: probably tomorrow.
[02:44] <fabbione> and the less you ask, the faster you get it. people don't have to spend time here to answer, but can work on it
[02:45] <zul> oh hey fabbione
[02:45] <zul> good game yesterday
[02:45] <fabbione> zul: thanks. next will be against US :)
[02:46] <zul> you should win that game of course
[02:46] <fabbione> we should yeah
[02:47] <zul> if not i will laugh and laugh
[04:05] <zul> BenC: i have a couple of patches that im building now for dapper ill send them off tongiht
[04:11] <fabbione> zul: i have a lock on dapper kernel now
[04:14] <zul> fabbione: hmmm?
[04:14] <fabbione> zul: i need to release for sparc now. No more changes until that's done
[04:15] <fabbione> .43 now builds and i need to make sure that one goes in and builds as it is
[04:15] <zul> fabbione: thats fine, ill just accumulate them until the lock is released
[04:15] <fabbione> zul: that's exactly what i was asking for :)
[04:15] <fabbione> thqanks
[05:15] <zul> hmm...our junior tech typed in the bios password for a laptop wrong
[05:16] <zul> and now he cant get in
[05:18] <fabbione> my wife did the same
[05:18] <fabbione> i need to find a way to reset it
[05:18] <zul> take the laptop apart and take out the bios battery?
[05:19] <fabbione> yeah i will have to do when i have time
[05:22] <mjg59> Are you sure it's only the bios password?
[05:22] <mjg59> Laptops have secondary passwords that are stored in eeprom
[05:23] <mjg59> Only way to deal with them is take them apart until you can get access to the i2c bus, and then drive the eeprom directly
[05:23] <mjg59> And then try to work out what needs to be done to remove the password
[05:24] <fabbione> mjg59: pretty sure it's only the BIOS password
[06:52] <zul> whee...writing documenation is fun
[09:00] <BenC> that's probably not even enough for the kernel
[09:01] <Keybuk> heh
[09:02] <Keybuk> mvo: what did you try and boot?
[09:03] <Keybuk> you need about 20MB for the initramfs
[09:03] <Keybuk> maybe another 16MB or so for init and udev
[09:04] <Keybuk> you certainly need 8MB or so for the kernel itself
[09:05] <Keybuk> and then it uses anything between 20MB-64MB of memory for its own nefarious purposes
[09:05] <Keybuk> so minimum RAM would be 64MB on i386 and probably 96MB or more on amd64
[09:06] <Keybuk> (ps. holy christ that's a lot)
[09:10] <Mithrandir> server claims to work on 64MB
[09:15] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: depends how much swap space you have :p
[09:15] <Keybuk> 64MB is probably the absolute minimum without swap, being only just enough to get the kernel and initramfs loaded
[09:16] <maswan> Well, does server install swap space by default?
[09:16] <BenC> everything instals swap by default
[09:17] <BenC> except for diskless systems of course :)
[09:18] <Mithrandir> but swapping over NFS is _so much fun_!
[09:18] <maswan> Btw, can I bug you guys with my silly feature requests now? Like shipping a vmlinux somewhere, and sensible default tcp window sizes? ;)
[09:20] <mvo> Keybuk: I'm using mem=64M now and it works a lot better (swapspace is pretty big)
[09:23] <BenC> maswan: s/bug/propose a spec/
[09:24] <BenC> better hurry, UDS starts in 6 days
[09:26] <maswan> I guess, just feels silly to do that for a small fix. But I'll write something up then.
[09:26] <BenC> tcp windows needs to be discussed
[09:27] <BenC> vmlinux just file a bug
[09:27] <BenC> I think there's already one
[09:27] <BenC> providing a patch to current git to install such a file would be your best bet there
[09:28] <maswan> Unless you want to discuss providing a separate -debug package to save a few megs in the kernel package.
[09:30] <maswan> Yes, there is indeed a wishlist bug for vmunix
[09:32] <BenC> I actually would like to see a linux-debug package, with the ABI file, vmlinux, and build-log
[09:32] <BenC> one for each flavour
[09:32] <maswan> me too
[09:32] <BenC> it can be done just like the linux-headers package does
[09:33] <BenC> in debian/post-install
[09:35] <maswan> sounds pretty encouraging then
[09:36] <maswan> Want me to put a comment with those two lines in the bug to remember it by, or are you one of those guys that remember things and so on? :)
[09:47] <zul> BenC: we tried that in breezy with all of the config options for debug turned on, it was huge
[09:48] <BenC> well, I don't really mean a debug enabled kernel
[09:48] <BenC> just the raw vmlinux from the actual build
[09:48] <zul> ah i see
[09:48] <BenC> uncompressed, unstripped, etc
[09:52] <zul> later im out of here
[11:14] <zul> BenC:  http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9810933701a09f9c4dd0ad963d5ec2efb7df07b7
[11:18] <zul> BenC: for 38851 couldnt  we just blacklist it?
[11:19] <BenC> zul: cherry-picked that commit
[11:19] <BenC> let me check 38851
[11:19] <zul> BenC: for dapper?
[11:19] <BenC> yeah
[11:20] <BenC> it's already in edgy's kernel
[11:20] <zul> ahok


[12:02] <Kyral> Got lintain down to one error
[12:03] <Kyral> native-package-with-dash-version
[12:03] <sistpoty> Kyral: what package was it again?
[12:03] <Kyral> fortune-mod-futurama
[12:03] <Kyral> I haven't uploaded these changes yet :P
[12:03] <sistpoty> Kyral: i think i know the reason for this error ;)
[12:04] <Kyral> yes?
[12:05] <sistpoty> Kyral: just glancing at the debian-policy, so i don't tell you wrong stuff ;)
[12:05] <Kyral> lol
[12:06] <Kyral> lol
[12:07] <sistpoty> Kyral: use 0.2ubuntu1 as your version in changelog file... that should fix the lintian complaints
[12:09] <Kyral> lintian is clean, now to check with linda
[12:09] <Kyral> which is also clean
[12:10] <sistpoty> good work ;)
[12:10] <Kyral> and uploaded to REVU
[12:11] <Kyral> wait a sec
[12:11] <Kyral> okay it passed linda on my system
[12:12] <Kyral> but the REVU one is spitting out an error
[12:13] <sistpoty> Kyral: you can ignore this... linda on revu-server is outdated ;)
[12:13] <Kyral> okay
[12:14] <Kyral> okay
[12:14] <Kyral> so all it needs is someone to advocate it
[12:15] <sistpoty> yes, two motus need to advocate on this (as it is a new package), and then one motu to upload ;)
[12:15] <Kyral> hehe
[12:17] <Kyral> Its a small package so it should be easy to get sponsored
[12:19] <Kyral> Is there a Meta-Pack for the boost libs? And would anyone be objected to one?
[12:19] <sistpoty> Kyral: what do you mean with meta-pack? (virtual package?)
[12:20] <Kyral> yah, something that just installs all of them instead of having to do it one at a time
[12:20] <Kyral> think kubuntu/ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <sistpoty> hm... libboost-dev pretty much should do the job?
[12:22] <Kyral> it doesn't
[12:22] <Kyral> I should I know I installed it today and it didn't pull them in
[12:22] <Kyral> it only reccommends them
[12:23] <sistpoty> did you install with apt-get or aptitude?
[12:23] <sistpoty> or s.th. else?
[12:23] <Kyral> aptitude and apt
[12:23] <Kyral> err, its SUGGESTS, not recommends
[12:24] <Kyral> and somehow Apt-Get started acting like Aptitude...
[12:25] <dholbach> why is   g++-4.0    in    http://popcon.ubuntu.com/universe/by_inst    ?
[12:25] <dholbach> **ARG**ARG**ARG**
[12:25] <sistpoty> Kyral: sorry, don't know much about libboost-deps, maybe there is some reason for the recommends only.
[12:26] <sistpoty> Kyral: but as long as there is one "meta-package" i don't think a virtual package or similar will be needed
[12:26] <sistpoty> suggests even ;)
[12:26] <Kyral> and aptitude seems to always force a long prelink..
[12:27] <sistpoty> dholbach: why shouldn't it be there? (some popcon magic?)
[12:27] <ajmitch> sistpoty: universe.?
[12:28] <sistpoty> ajmitch: good point ;)
[12:29] <Kyral> I don't think libboost-dev is a meta-package..
[12:31] <sistpoty> Kyral: no it isn't (afaik)... that's why i used quotes ;)
[12:31] <Kyral> ah
[12:33] <Sepheebear> hey MOTUs, im using cdbs and everytime i build a package, im left with files a bunch of extra files in the debian directory
[12:33] <sistpoty> Kyral: have you tried your fortunes-package in pbuilder?
[12:33] <Sepheebear> how do i get rid of them?
[12:33] <Kyral> sistpoty, no
[12:33] <Kyral> Sepheebear, debuild clean
[12:33] <sistpoty> Kyral: maybe you should... PBuilderHowto should be the wiki for instructions on pbuilder
[12:33] <sistpoty> Kyral: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/fortune-mod-futurama-0510061810/fortune-mod-futurama_0.2ubuntu1.buildlog
[12:34] <Sepheebear> Kyral: do i run that or is cdbs supposed to do thatfor me?
[12:34] <sistpoty> Kyral: but this may be related to some problem with revu-build as well
[12:34] <Kyral> Sepheebear, I dunno I don't use CDBS
[12:34] <Kyral> sistpoty, I think the problem is that debhelper listed itself in the build-depends...
[12:36] <Kyral> what effect would it have if I removed it?
[12:37] <sistpoty> Kyral: no, debhelper must be there if you use dh_* commands in rules... otherwise it will FTBFS
[12:37] <Kyral> okay
[12:37] <Kyral> the only thing I see is that I forgot that there is no CLEAN in the makefile
[12:40] <Kyral> okay, got rid of the clean parts in the rules
[12:42] <sistpoty> Kyral: the clean is not the problem
[12:42] <Kyral> eh?
[12:43] <sistpoty> Kyral: your install target in rules does too few things ;)
[12:43] <Kyral> eh?
[12:46] <sistpoty> Kyral: you are missing dh_gencontrol, dh_md5sum, dh_builddeb
[12:46] <Kyral> I didn't think I needed those
[12:47] <sistpoty> Kyral: iirc the rules file (when called with appropriate targets) must produce a package. if you want to know the details, they should be located in the debian-policy ;)
[12:50] <Kyral> sistpoty, ah okay
[12:51] <Kyral> fixed
[12:51] <Kyral> wait...why did that make another error?
[12:52] <sistpoty> ?
[12:52] <Kyral> E: fortune-mod-futurama source: debian-files-list-in-source
[12:52] <hubH> Kyral: what is that package?
[12:53] <tseng> sounds like fortunes from the cartoon futurama :)
[12:53] <Kyral> an addon for Fortune
[12:53] <hubH> ah
[12:53] <hubH> I should put that on my machine
[12:53] <hubH> hostname == bender :-)
[12:53] <Kyral> I was stupid I wiped out the dh_clean parts in rules
[12:54] <Kyral> okay that is done, should be the last upload
[12:55] <sistpoty> Kyral: have you tried it in pbuilder yet?
[12:55] <Kyral> I don't have a pbuilder setup
[12:55] <Kyral> I've been kinda busy with school...
[12:55] <tseng> you really need one if you intend to package
[12:55] <tseng> it takes about 20 minutes
[12:56] <tseng> 5 of real work
[12:57] <Kyral> fine...its just been a long day
[12:57] <sistpoty> Kyral: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto (maybe you need to s/hoary/breezy/)
[01:00] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[01:01] <dholbach> please read the "problems" section carefully
[01:01] <Kyral> okay....what does FTBFS mean...
[01:02] <dholbach> Kyral: apt-get install bsdgames; wtf ftbfs
[01:02] <Kyral> still doesn't mean anything
[01:03] <crimsun> hmm? ''wtf ftbfs'' will tell you
[01:03] <dholbach> Kyral: did you execute it?
[01:03] <Kyral> no
[01:04] <dholbach> ah well
[01:04] <Kyral> ah...
[01:04] <dholbach> :)
[01:04] <Kyral> fortune-mod-futurama doesn't have that problem. No source code in the first place ;P
[01:05] <crimsun> source refers to the .orig.tar.gz ;)
[01:05] <tseng> ftbfs means the source fails to produce a dpkg
[01:05] <Kyral> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 <<--So these don't build from source?
[01:05] <tseng> not nessecarily GCC bomb
[01:08] <Kyral> okaaay....sorry my mind is processing slowly tonight...
[01:10] <tseng> Lathiat: did you mail elmo re myththemes
[01:13] <sistpoty> how evil is it to hack a configure to force use things like HAVE_SPRINTF (instead of fixing it?)
[01:13] <dholbach> so i guess we have something to do :)
[01:26] <sistpoty> ;)
[01:28] <grayman> heh
[01:28] <tseng> ogra++
[01:28] <ogra> :)
[01:28] <sistpoty> ogra++ from me as well ;)
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> ogra-- and ogra--
[01:28] <Diablo-D3> because karma sucks.
[01:28] <tseng> you can all go nuts
[01:28] <tseng> right here
[01:28] <grayman> lol
[01:29] <nuts> bah, taken already
[01:29] <tseng> i just installed rc on my laptop
[01:29] <tseng> its elite
[01:29] <grayman> how so?
[01:29] <tseng> zarro boogs
[01:29] <Diablo-D3> I hate that
[01:30] <ogra> Diablo-D3, universe still has bugs, dont worry
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> no, I meant the way that phrase is spelled
[01:30] <tseng> hm sid has xorg?
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> its so... so.... fucktarded.
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> tseng: yup
[01:30] <tseng> it is upgrading me to 6.8.2 :)
[01:30] <Diablo-D3> well, I think it does.
[01:31] <tseng> dholbach: dude you need a script to find stuff that has been fixed since
[01:31] <tseng> i think there are way too many failures to validate
[01:31] <dholbach> i took the builds from september and october
[01:31] <ogra> dholbach, apt-get.org done ? :)
[01:31] <dholbach> sorry, if it causes grief
[01:31] <tseng> apt-get never done
[01:32] <dholbach> ogra: what sort of interrogation is this? :)
[01:32] <tseng> dholbach: ask him about edubuntu
[01:32] <sistpoty> dholbach: should we list packages we are touching somewhere?
[01:32] <tseng> dholbach: or screensavers
[01:32] <tseng> dholbach: REVENGE
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+sources/ardour/+bug/2924
[01:32] <Diablo-D3> re:a rdour bug
[01:32] <dholbach> sistpoty: i just did a tiny note on them
[01:32] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: I'm working on it.
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> er, hey crimsun
[01:33] <Diablo-D3> be-in-every-channel-on-freenode much?
[01:33] <sistpoty> dholbach: maybe notes on each arch-page isn't a good idea? what about noting on UniverseFTBFS?
[01:34] <dholbach> sistpoty: that leaves the problem of cleaning-up-after-one-has-fixed-stuff
[01:34] <dholbach> sistpoty: but it's worth a try
[01:34] <sistpoty> ok... will you edit the page or shall i?
[01:35] <dholbach> sistpoty: go ahead :)
[01:35] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: I'm guessing universe packages cant automatically add other universe packages?
[01:35] <crimsun> correct
[01:36] <grayman> how -that- works?
[01:36] <dholbach> sistpoty: it'd be great, if we'd get the top 25% fixed (or the stuff in there)
[01:36] <sistpoty> yep... i'm already working  on it ;)
[01:36] <sistpoty> what is bold in wiki?
[01:37] <dholbach> '''BLA'''
[01:37] <sistpoty> ok, thx
[01:39] <sistpoty> wiki updated... just a quick thing though ;)
[01:39] <bddebian> Heya gang, sistpoty
[01:40] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[01:40] <sistpoty> bddebian (god): there is much work todo: UniverseFTBFS (wiki)
[01:42] <slomo> hm
[01:42] <slomo> why are there binary packages listed on the FTBFS pages? wouldn't it be better to list the source packages?
[01:45] <bddebian> sistpoty: Aye, I heard :-(
[01:46] <sistpoty> bddebian: now i know where i saw that stupid error from earlier that evening: xosview :(
[01:46] <dholbach> slomo: popcon has binary packages
[01:47] <slomo> dholbach: but this way we have many "duplicates" there :(
[01:47] <slomo> well, i'll fix gst-ffmpeg for ppc...
[01:47] <dholbach> slomo: i wanted to make it easier to concentrate on the top 20%-25%
[01:48] <bddebian> Who's gonna send me a PPC and amd64 machine?? ;-P
[01:48] <Diablo-D3> bddebian is a false god!
[01:49] <sistpoty> hehe... some diabolic statements? :P
[01:50] <Diablo-D3> that goes in my quote files.
[01:51] <bddebian> Heh
[01:51] <sistpoty> <-- out for a cigarette
[01:51] <Diablo-D3> in return, here is a quote
 thanks to outsourcing, "too many chiefs and not enough indians" takes on all new meaning
[01:58] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: ardour-gtk actually builds just fine, it just needs to be given back
[01:58] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: english please?
[01:58] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: the buildds are doing something funky.
[01:58] <crimsun> it built just fine here on amd64 and i386
[01:59] <Diablo-D3> meh =(
[02:00] <crimsun> lamont__: any possibility you could give-back ardour? It builds fine here on both i386 and amd64 yet fails on the buildds.
[02:01] <lamont__> crimsun: not where I can do it for about another 3 hours... can you ping me when I'm back to being lamont?
[02:01] <crimsun> lamont__: yes, thanks.
[02:04] <bddebian> Heya tritium, welcome to the "fun" :-)
[02:04] <tritium> hi bddebian.  What's the fun?
[02:05] <bddebian> tritium: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS :-)
[02:05] <bddebian> Now get to work.   Cool?
[02:06] <bddebian> Damn you people are misguided ;-)
[02:07] <tritium> heh, I'll be back soon...
[02:07] <crimsun> (working on vlc.)
[02:08] <bddebian> Good man :-)
[02:10] <dholbach> sistpoty: i added another table
[02:10] <dholbach> sistpoty: to make sure we're organized
[02:10] <dholbach> :)
[02:10] <ColonelKernel> the cflags I put into the kernel yesterday have REAlly made an improvement on my system performance, I want to thank you guys a lot
[02:11] <sistpoty> dholbach: cool :)
[02:11] <ColonelKernel> for most other things you just put them in when you do ./configure
[02:11] <ColonelKernel> I recompiled xchat and tvtime and they are faster too
[02:11] <bddebian> wb ajmitch
[02:11] <sistpoty> wb ajmitch
[02:11] <ColonelKernel> system startup is a little bit slower, im assuming because the modules are all a bit larger
[02:12] <ColonelKernel> and it uses more memory too
[02:12] <ColonelKernel> about 100mb more
[02:14] <ajmitch> dholbach: so you want us to clean all the junk from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFSi386 ?
[02:15] <dholbach> if anybody has a cleverer list, go ahead
[02:15] <dholbach> i don't insist on mine
[02:18] <TMM> ColonelKernel, np
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> TMM, video games and everything are faster
[02:18] <TMM> hey ajmitch
[02:18] <ColonelKernel> the system itself now starts up gnome and runs apps faster
[02:19] <TMM> ColonelKernel, good for you! :)
[02:19] <ajmitch> hello
[02:19] <TMM> ajmitch, I think I fixed all the bugs in my package :)
[02:19] <ColonelKernel> and YES I used -O3 and it didnt break or hurt ANYTHING
[02:19] <TMM> what is BTFS anyway?
[02:19] <TMM> ColonelKernel, -O3 on the kernel source?
[02:19] <ajmitch> FTBFS? fails to build from source
[02:20] <TMM> ColonelKernel, usually -O3 won't break anything, it was some of the other more exotic flags that you used
[02:20] <dholbach> TMM: apt-get install bsdgames; wtf ftbfs
[02:20] <ColonelKernel> TMM, no ill effects here
[02:20] <ColonelKernel> not yet anyhow
[02:20] <TMM> ajmitch, are 'we' supposed to fix that? :)
[02:21] <ajmitch> TMM: sure
[02:21] <ajmitch> we're meant to fix as many bugs as we can
[02:21] <dholbach> but please read the "problems" section
[02:21] <TMM> so, just apt-get source it and see what fails then?
[02:21] <dholbach> that makes stuff easier to understand
[02:22] <dholbach> TMM: there are build logs on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test
[02:22] <TMM> dholbach, where do I find the problem section?
[02:22] <dholbach> TMM: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[02:23] <TMM> dholbach, I'm just like a monkey I just click links that people past, and then I get interested ;)
[02:23] <dholbach> that's a good way to get started :)
[02:24] <bddebian> Heya bmonty_laptop
[02:24] <bmonty_laptop> hi bddebian
[02:24] <bmonty_laptop> nice, first message I see is bddebian kicking ajmitch :)
[02:24] <bddebian> bmonty_laptop: Tonights fun:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[02:24] <TMM> so, the thing is: first check if the package is not in main, then see if it is perhaps a binary package and then see the buildlog, then fix?
[02:25] <fredix> slomo: hi slomo are you here ?
[02:25] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: I deserve it, I'm lazy
[02:25] <slomo> fredix: sure
[02:25] <bddebian> ajmitch: STOP SAYING THAT!!
[02:25] <fredix> slomo: many thanks about your new upload of ruby-gnome2
[02:26] <slomo> fredix: np :) it fixed a problem with alexandria too ;)
[02:26] <ajmitch> bddebian: why?
[02:26] <TMM> I think I struck gold immediately :)
[02:26] <fredix> slomo: are you in the muturubyteam ?
[02:26] <TMM> rox-filer is said to fail, but there is no buildlog?
[02:26] <slomo> fredix: nope
[02:27] <dholbach> TMM: apt-cache showsrc rox-filer
[02:27] <dholbach> TMM: it gives you the "source package"
[02:27] <dholbach> TMM: often, more than one binary package is built from one source package
[02:27] <dholbach> TMM: 'rox' is what you're looking for
[02:28] <fredix> slomo: maybe it'll should be interest you
[02:28] <TMM> dholbach, so it might not fail to build at all then?
[02:28] <ogra> night sistpoty
[02:29] <slomo> fredix: yes i already thought about it... maybe when i know more about ruby as i do now ;)
[02:29] <TMM> dholbach, ok... mind if I pester you a tad more? :)
[02:29] <bmonty_laptop> wow, I didn't think there were this many packages that are FTBFS
[02:30] <TMM> the build-log for helix-player is from 24-jul and it complains about missing sourcepackages (x-dev for one, but also gtk and atk packages)
[02:30] <TMM> that doesn't make sense
[02:30] <slomo> ajmitch: were you the one who has an old g3? i have something i need to test on a non-altivec powerpc...
[02:30] <ajmitch> bmonty_laptop: there aren't, quite a few can be dropped from the list
[02:30] <fredix> slomo: ok ;) i go to sleep, thanks
[02:30] <slomo> fredix: good night :)
[02:30] <ajmitch> slomo: yes, and I don't have access to it right now
[02:31] <bddebian> ajmitch: Because you aren't
[02:31] <slomo> ajmitch: hm... too bad :( so let's wait for bugreports after release ;)
[02:31] <ajmitch> slomo: maybe in a day or two
[02:31] <dholbach> bddebian: 483 on those lists should be your favourite :)
[02:32] <slomo> is someone here who has a x86 without mmx?
[02:32] <bddebian> dholbach: Hey, that shouldn't be there.. :-)
[02:32] <bddebian> I think that's main anyway isn't it?
[02:32] <dholbach> bddebian: yeah, in some cases it's a bit of reasearch
[02:33] <dholbach> bddebian: popcon is a bit unreliable about main/universe stuff
[02:33] <dholbach> and in some other cases source packages have binary packages in universe and in main
[02:34] <TMM> slomo, I've got one, pentium 120
[02:35] <bddebian> OK, now syphulus-cpp is on my list of packages that SUCK
[02:35] <bddebian> Err cyphesis.. ;-)
[02:36] <slomo> TMM: can you test gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg for me? for example play a divx with totem-gstreamer
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> wow
[02:37] <Diablo-D3> takes awhile to compile ardour
[02:38] <bddebian> Should a rebuild be -0build1 or .1build1 ?
[02:38] <dholbach> bddebian: what was it before?
[02:38] <bddebian> Oh, nm it was 1.3-3.1 so 1.3-3.1build1
[02:38] <ajmitch> yeah
[02:39] <ajmitch> 1.3, 3rd debian revision, 1st NMU, 1st ubuntu rebuild ;)
[02:39] <bddebian> Should we add .desktop files while we are at it?? ;-)
[02:40] <ajmitch> they have an example like 2:1:1.0-0.0.2003.10.23-2-9.4.1
[02:40] <dholbach> bddebian: that'd be 1.3-3.1build1desktop1
[02:40] <ajmitch> which is just *scary*
[02:40] <ogra> bddebian, sure
[02:40] <ajmitch> dholbach: huh?
[02:40] <bddebian> ajmitch: :-)
[02:40] <dholbach> bddebian: so elmo knows which one to reject ;)
[02:40] <bddebian> heh
[02:41] <bddebian> BTW, if anyone looks at zorp, forget it, it's unfixable
[02:41] <dholbach> bddebian: debian fixes? something in their bts?
[02:41] <bddebian> ogra: Sure what?  .desktop files
[02:41] <bddebian> dholbach: Unless the newer stuff comes in from upstream it's unbuildable with the version of libzorpll
[02:42] <ogra> bddebian, yes
[02:42] <dholbach> bddebian: one patch in debian's BTS, and a newer debian revision
[02:44] <bddebian> IIRCC, zorp 2.x will NOT build with libzorpll 3.x.  IT would have to be updated with zorp 3.x stuff
[02:45] <TMM> slomo, on a p120? are you insane? :)
[02:45] <dholbach> bddebian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301618 :)
[02:46] <dholbach> bddebian: looks like that'd be a solution
[02:46] <bddebian> dholbach: I don't see 3.0.3 on packages.d.o though??
[02:46] <dholbach> bddebian: new upstream version
[02:47] <bddebian> Oh aye
[02:47] <TMM> slomo, there's no ubuntu on that machine now, I'll try installing it tomorrow, I really don't feel like doing that now
[02:51] <ajmitch> does anyone use zorp? :)
[02:54] <tritium> bddebian, I'll take a look at xfig
[02:54] <dholbach> be sure you all check how the last test builds and the normal archive builds went (and when they were) :)
[03:01] <Diablo-D3> uh
[03:01] <Diablo-D3> crimsun
[03:02] <Diablo-D3> the srcpkg ardour doesnt build libardour0
[03:04] <tritium> dholbach, bddebian: so we first just want to check if the package will be from source now without any changes?
[03:04] <tritium> s/be/build
[03:04] <bddebian> tritium: sure
[03:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: Doubtfully ;-)
[03:07] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: it doesn't need to.
[03:08] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: notice that's not one of ardour_0.9beta29-5ubuntu1's binary packages.
[03:12] <Diablo-D3> er wtf then
[03:12] <Diablo-D3> the one in universe right now needs it =P
[03:14] <crimsun> doesn't matter, there's a newer source version
[03:14] <crimsun> it just needs to be given-back, which will happen in a few hours
[03:19] <dholbach> good night guys... it's alreday 3 again :)
[03:19] <tritium> Good night dholbach :)
[03:20] <crimsun> cya
[03:20] <dholbach> see you :)
[03:22] <tritium> I can't figure out which package is supposed to provide stddef.h (included by /usr/include/bits/types.h, line 31)
[03:23] <tritium> apt-file lists several packages that have a stddef.h, but not in the standard include dirs
[03:23] <bmonty_laptop> tritium: how about linux-kernel-headers??
[03:23] <crimsun> what bmonty said
[03:24] <Lathiat> tseng: ya
[03:24] <Kyral> its in headers :D
[03:24] <crimsun> gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 each provide it for internal use
[03:24] <tritium> thanks, guys.  I'll just need to modify it to look in /usr/include/linux for that file then
[03:34] <bddebian> I stuck in something for a while but I'll bbiab
[03:47] <doko_> tritium: no, gcc should find it on it's own
[03:49] <tritium> doko_, okay, I'll see what happens.  I added linux-kernel-headers as a build-dependency.  Thanks.
[03:51] <doko_> tritium: that's wrong. linux-kernel-headers is in build-essential
[03:51] <tritium> Okay, and I still get the error.
[03:55] <doko_> tritium: does a minimal testcase (#include <stddef.h>, gcc -c) work?
[03:58] <tritium> doko_, after logging into my pbuilder chroot?
[04:02] <tritium> doko_, it works
[04:05] <doko_> tritium: so find out, why your original example doesn't work. maybe use gcc -H
[04:06] <tritium> I'll try, thanks.
[04:20] <tritium> bddebian, please query me when you're back
[04:27] <lamont> anybody have scrollback from around 2 hours ago?
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> bleh
[04:28] <Diablo-D3> ever been so tired that you just feel dead?
[04:29] <Lathiat> lamont: yeh
[04:29] <ajmitch> 13:00 < crimsun> lamont__: any possibility you could give-back ardour? It builds fine here on both i386 and amd64 yet fails on the buildds.
[04:29] <Lathiat> crimsun
[04:29] <Lathiat> right
[04:29] <lamont> danke
[04:30] <lamont> Checking for C header file alsa/asoundlib.h... no
[04:30] <lamont> that was that bug... lessee how it does
[04:31] <lamont> IOW, given-back
[04:31] <ajmitch> thanks
[04:34] <ajmitch> hi jsgotangco
[04:35] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:38] <lamont> same failure
[05:03] <bddebian> Heya gang, hows' it coming?
[05:03] <bddebian> tritium: Still here?
[05:04] <tritium> bddebian, yes, still here
[05:05] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[05:05] <bddebian> tritium: Did you need something homey?
[05:05] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[05:05] <tritium> bddebian, yeah, perhaps a little assitance?  I'll query...
[05:05] <bddebian> OK
[05:05] <ajmitch> the master at work.. :)
[05:06] <bddebian> Yeah right
[05:09] <tritium> Thanks bddebian
[05:53] <seth_k|lappy> hi bddebian

[05:59] <bddebian> Heya seth_k|lappy :-)
[06:05] <hub> what is elmo email address?
[06:05] <hub> to ask for a sync from Debian?
[06:07] <bddebian> hub<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:07] <hub> bddebian: ok thanks
[06:07] <Amaranth> damn, i was about to guess<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:08] <bddebian> I think that works too but I'm not sure
[06:11] <hub> ok thanks
[06:11] <hub> I was about to package a couple of things, but debian have them already
[06:25] <seth_k|lappy> will we get Fx 1.5b2 in universe as a separate version or anything for breezy? (just released tonight)
[06:29] <Diablo-D3> yargh
[06:29] <Diablo-D3> reeaaall nice
[06:29] <Diablo-D3> the ardour I built segfaults everytime I try to add a new buss
[06:41] <crimsun> then try 0.99 from experimental
[06:42] <crimsun> I can't possibly ask for a 0.99 sync from experimental this late in the cycle, however
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> well
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> ardour is pretty useless with that broken
[06:42] <crimsun> and it'd really help if you could get a bt on the segfault
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> so I could ask for such a thing
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> I dont know if its my build or not
[06:42] <Diablo-D3> but its really easy to reproduce
[06:42] <tritium> crimsun, do you think it's too late to request a sync of xfig from testing/unstable to fix a ftbfs?
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> new session, then add new track/bus, then ask for a new stereo bus
[06:43] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: please obtain a bt from gdb and paste it into the malone report
[06:43] <Diablo-D3> instant segfault
[06:43] <crimsun> tritium: absolutely not
[06:43] <crimsun> syncing from sid is fair game imo right up til the 12th
[06:43] <tritium> cool, thanks
[06:44] <Diablo-D3> just to make sure it wasnt a random fluke
[06:44] <bddebian> OK, I'm making stupid ass mistakes now, must be time for bed.  Gnight folks..
[06:44] <crimsun> 'night bddebian
[06:44] <tritium> Good night, bddebian
[06:44] <tritium> Thanks for your help tracking down that problem
[06:45] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: but yeah, if this bug is real, you'd pretty much have to push 0.99 from experimental
[06:45] <Diablo-D3> crimsun: otherwise ardour is dead useless.
[06:45] <bddebian> tritium: Anytime brudda
[06:45] <tritium> :)
[06:45] <crimsun> Diablo-D3: no, we'll find the bug from the bt and backport the fix
[06:45] <crimsun> syncing from experimental one week before freeze is just madness
[06:46] <Diablo-D3> YES! ITS MADDDNNESS! WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
[06:46] <Diablo-D3> I should run my own distro.
[06:46] <Diablo-D3> First rule of my distro: no stable releases, stable releases are for pansies.
[06:46] <crimsun> that's what the bleeding edge (grumpy) is for
[06:46] <crimsun> it's slated for parallel "devel" with dapper
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> wait, we have names for breezy+1?
[06:47] <crimsun> dapper is breezy+1
[06:47] <crimsun> grumpy is dapper+experimental
[06:47] <crimsun> at least in theory
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> btw, you know why I hate ardour sometimes?
[06:47] <Diablo-D3> its gtk... but written in c++.
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> /that makes no sense/
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> and it uselessly triples my compile time -_-`
[06:48] <Diablo-D3> I think compiling c++ is the only thing I can say is slow no matter how fast my computer is

[06:51] <Diablo-D3> argh! go! faster! now!
[07:01] <Diablo-D3> hey crimsun
[07:01] <Diablo-D3> my binary should be identical to the new one, right?
[07:06] <vol0za> Hello, I'd like to get involved in the Ubuntu community. Can anybody help me start? I have some coding/Linux experience.
[07:09] <Yagisan> vol0za: what would you like to do ?
[07:11] <vol0za> Actually, I don't know what are the possibilities. As of now, I would prefer coding in Python or C++, but I know that my ideas can be far away from the reality.
[07:12] <Yagisan> vol0za: no worries - I'm not a MOTU - but I can offer some suggestions
[07:14] <Yagisan> fixing bugs listed here https://launchpad.net/malone is appreciated
[07:14] <vol0za> any suggestions are wellcome
[07:14] <Yagisan> vol0za: I'm not a MOTU - I'm just a "freelancer" at the moment
[07:15] <Yagisan> vol0za: what areas are you interested in ?
[07:15] <Yagisan> eg myself -  I have an interest in games an security
[07:15] <Yagisan> so I tend to try and help with games or security stuff
[07:17] <vol0za> laptop + desktop
[07:18] <vol0za> I'm using Ubuntu for all my work but I'm still missing some features that will make my life easier and I'm trying ways to help somehow.
[07:19] <Yagisan> :) - I also use Ubuntu for work - I'm tring to bend ltsp to my will at the moment
[07:19] <Yagisan> what are the missing features ?
[07:19] <vol0za> by desktop I mean the gnome-thingies such as totem etc.
[07:20] <vol0za> mentioning the totem, the mozilla plugin is still not very functional
[07:20] <Diablo-D3> heh
[07:20] <Yagisan> vol0za: using totem as an example - there are several bugs in malone
[07:21] <Yagisan> could you fix that ?
[07:21] <vol0za> who knows ? :)
[07:22] <vol0za> so, what's the usual process when fixing a bug?
[07:24] <Yagisan> vol0za: usually first file that bug in malone for universe/multiverse :)
[07:25] <Yagisan> then apt-get source evil-broken-package (from either warty, hoary or breezy depending on where the package is)
[07:26] <vol0za> and if you had some 5 minutes could you give me some short intro to the overall structures here, malone, ... whatever
[07:26] <Yagisan> I can try - but I know I'm not the best person for it
[07:27] <Yagisan> for main/restricted bugs are at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com - that is generally canonicals problem - but there are exceptions
[07:27] <Yagisan> and if you fix a bug the will be happy
[07:27] <Yagisan> s/the/they
[07:28] <vol0za> :)
[07:28] <Yagisan> universe and multiverse (ie everything else) is looked after by the masochists here
[07:29] <Yagisan> I'll see if I can find the stats for a top masochist for you
[07:30] <vol0za> I'm curious
[07:32] <crimsun> barry (bddebian) and sh (stephen)'re up there
[07:32] <vol0za> I have just created my launchpad account and my karma says 0. At least I'm not negative.
[07:32] <jsgotangco> everyone starts at 0
[07:33] <Yagisan> hmm - my link is slow today
[07:34] <vol0za> can we continue in the bug-process show down? I would try I it myself and correct me if I'm wrong.
[07:35] <vol0za> someone has to file a bug, after it it has to be confirmed and someone assigns it.
[07:36] <Yagisan> sure - to actually build the packages you will need a pbuilder set up
[07:36] <Yagisan> there is a howto in the wiki
[07:36] <Yagisan> generally any bug assigned to MOTU is fair game I believe,
[07:37] <Yagisan> as bugs tend to be assigned to groups, not individuals
[07:37] <vol0za> haven't heard anything about it, but I suppose that I should be able to find info on that
[07:37] <crimsun> any bug in universe/multiverse is game for any of us
[07:38] <Yagisan> be back soon - lunch with family
[07:38] <vol0za> wow, so multiple people are working on a single bug and they compete or what?
[07:38] <crimsun> vol0za: not really, it's a team effort
[07:38] <crimsun> 30 people for 16000+ packages...
[07:38] <vol0za> bye yagisan and thank you for intro
[07:42] <vol0za> sorry, my ISP plays a game with me
[08:14] <tritium> good night :)
[08:15] <crimsun> 'night
[09:26] <zakame> hi all! :D
[09:42] <thesaltydog> since yestarday, each time I post a comment on a malone bug, I am receiving a mail from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>stating that my "mail" is being held... ??
[09:42] <Lathiat> thesaltydog: yeh dw about that
[09:42] <Lathiat> thesaltydog: its because mails to universe-bugs are being held for moderation (which is rwhere reports about all motu bugs go)
[09:42] <Lathiat> and they changed the from: of the emaisl to be th epeerson changign things
[09:43] <Treenaks> Lathiat: yes, and the MAIL FROM:<> too, breaking some RFCs
[09:43] <Treenaks> Lathiat: (i.e. 2821)
[09:44] <Treenaks> It also breaks for people using SPF-enabled domains
[09:46] <thesaltydog> Lathiat, but I am not sending mails.. just adding comments on launchpad.
[09:49] <Treenaks> thesaltydog: launchpad sends the mails
[09:50] <Treenaks> thesaltydog: as you, but in the wrong way
[09:54] <Lathiat> thesaltydog: launchpad sends the mails for you
[09:55] <zakame> hmmm, does closing bugs in debian/changelog close malone bugs?
[09:55] <Treenaks> Lathiat: with the wrong MAIL FROM: SMTP envelope address
[09:56] <talios> hey there - question on the squeak smalltalk packages - theres a manpage for an inisqueak script but no sign of the script itself - anyone able to look into it?  or know about it?
[09:57] <Lathiat> talios: could you file a bug on launchpad.net/malone/ ?
[09:58] <talios> yep
[09:58] <Lathiat> thanks
[09:58] <Lathiat> talios: which package specifically?
[09:59] <Lathiat> squeak-sources or squeak-vm ?
[10:00] <talios> not sure - I'd hazad a guess at squeak-sources
[10:01] <Tonio-> hi there
[10:06] <talios> Lathiat, entered.
[10:06] <Lathiat> talios: cheers, bgu number?
[10:06] <talios> 2930
[10:07] <talios> I'm thinking it'll be the squeak-vm package as the manpage talks about the squeak/inisqueak binaries ( and squeak is the vm)
[10:07] <Lathiat> thanks
[10:19] <zakame> hi again
[11:10] <thesaltydog> is there any MOTU who can sync the latest release of Baobab from debian to breezy? The current version in breezy is quit outdated..
[11:12] <thesaltydog> breezy has v.1.0.1 and debian v.1.2.0
[11:12] <thesaltydog> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/baobab/baobab_1.2.0-1/changelog
[11:13] <crimsun> at the moment our priority is fixing FTBFS source
[11:14] <thesaltydog> Understand..
[11:14] <thesaltydog> suggestions?
[11:42] <zyga> hi
[11:56] <dholbach> hellas
[11:56] <Treenaks> d-man
[11:56] <dholbach> i suppose you're talking about me? ;)
[11:56] <Treenaks> dholbach: hi :)
[11:59] <ivoks> dholbach: no such page :)
[11:59] <ivoks> remove ! :)
[12:00] <dholbach> :-p
[12:00] <Lathiat> ok
[12:00] <Lathiat> time to get cracking
[12:00] <dholbach> wooohooo
[12:00] <Lathiat> hrm transitions
[12:00] <Lathiat> i should check up on glu transition
[12:01] <Lathiat> can i do a build-dep rdepends?
[12:01] <ivoks> yup
[12:01] <ivoks> let's make this happen
[12:02] <dholbach> Lathiat: you want to use grep-dctrl
[12:02] <dholbach> Lathiat: and ajmitch is our grep-dctrl-hero
[12:02] <Lathiat> hm ok
[12:03] <Lathiat> i'll fiddle
[12:03] <ivoks> hm...
[12:03] <ivoks> my bat status droped from 40% to 3% in one second
[12:03] <Lathiat> ivoks: you have a couple f**ked cells :(
[12:03] <ivoks> you think?
[12:03] <Lathiat> was that a sarcastic comment or a question
[12:04] <ivoks> question
[12:04] <Lathiat> that or your acpi is fucked
[12:04] <ivoks> couse this started to happen after one acpi upgrade
[12:04] <Lathiat> yeh could be fucked DSDT or whatever it is
[12:04] <Lathiat> try a hoary livecd or something
[12:04] <ivoks> and laptop is almost new (not even a year)
[12:04] <dholbach> ivoks: could you try http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/gnome-applets packages and see if they behave better for you?
[12:04] <dholbach> i guess it'll be to late to get that stuff in for breezy
[12:04] <dholbach> but for dapper we should
[12:05] <Lathiat> dholbach: wassit fix?
[12:05] <ivoks> dholbach: this isn't related to gnome
[12:05] <dholbach> ivoks: ahhh ok... i thought it was a battery applet display problem
[12:05] <ivoks> dholbach: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/status shows in one moment 30000
[12:05] <ivoks> dholbach: and then in other 5000
[12:05] <dholbach> because it has some issues
[12:06] <ivoks> when i think more about it... it isn't a linux problem
[12:06] <ivoks> since led starts to blink when that happens
[12:06] <ivoks> so i guess, by bat is crapy
[12:06] <dholbach> oh ok
[12:06] <Lathiat> ivoks: well
[12:06] <Lathiat> ivoks: it can be
[12:06] <Lathiat> ivoks: if the 40% is wrong
[12:07] <Lathiat> ivoks: you may be able to gauge better on how long your battery lasts compared to how long it used to lsat
[12:07] <Lathiat> e.g. ar eyou actually getting a 35% drop in life
[12:07] <ivoks> Lathiat: yup...
[12:07] <ivoks> we check that out next time
[12:07] <Lathiat> ok
[12:08] <ivoks> it's hard to messure since i put lap in sleep all the time
[12:08] <ivoks> it's never off
[12:08] <Lathiat> measure it some time :)
[12:08] <ivoks> but i think i have a real life-drop :/
[12:08] <Lathiat> ivoks: well if your on a year you might still be in warranty
[12:08] <ivoks> ah... dell never again
[12:08] <ivoks> Lathiat: warranty is for US only :(
[12:08] <Lathiat> dell hey?
[12:09] <Lathiat> hrm
[12:09] <Lathiat> i have 2 dells
[12:09] <Lathiat> theyre both great machines
[12:09] <Lathiat> inspiron 8600, precision m20
[12:09] <ivoks> mine is 8600 :)
[12:09] <Lathiat> oh
[12:09] <Lathiat> my 8600 is great
[12:09] <ivoks> wana trade for battery? :)
[12:09] <Lathiat> i did have to get the lcd replaced 3 times tho
[12:09] <Lathiat> ivoks: you can get batteries cheap on ebay
[12:09] <ivoks> Lathiat: yeah, i could sell mine on ebay too :)
[12:10] <Lathiat> ivoks: heh
[12:13] <ivoks> there is no more syncing from debian, right?
[12:13] <Lathiat> should be fine for universe?
[12:13] <Lathiat> if relaly needed tho
[12:13] <ivoks> fixes ftbs :)
[12:13] <Lathiat> sounds good to me
[12:14] <ivoks> all right...
[12:14] <Lathiat> what pakage anyway
[12:17] <ivoks> ttt
[12:17] <ivoks> sync won't help
[12:20] <ivoks> yeah! it builds
[12:20] <ivoks> but, is it usable... :)
[12:21] <ivoks> it is! :)
[12:23] <ivoks> dholbach: ping
[12:23] <dholbach> ivoks: pong
[12:23] <ivoks> dholbach: we just upload it or it needs special revision?
[12:23] <dholbach> what are you talking about?
[12:23] <ivoks> ftbs fixing
[12:24] <dholbach> go ahead, if it builds and works for you, i trust your judgment
[12:24] <ivoks> can i just upload it or i have to ping elmo or anyone?
[12:24] <ivoks> since we are close to release
[12:24] <dholbach> it is universe, isnt it?
[12:24] <ivoks> yes
[12:24] <dholbach> go ahead
[12:25] <ivoks> ok
[12:26] <pef> hello
[12:27] <janimo> hi dholbach
[12:27] <dholbach> morning jani
[12:27] <janimo> deskbar-applet can be taken down from revu, it's uploaded by mithrandir
[12:28] <ivoks> dholbach: there are some packages on the list that builds without problems...
[12:29] <dholbach> ivoks: some of them didnt build in the test rebuilds and got fixed afterwards - sorry for the noise, then - just remove them from the list, if they built in the archive
[12:29] <ivoks> ok
[12:32] <dholbach> ivoks: for next release, i'll have a cleverer script
[12:33] <ivoks> np
[12:33] <dholbach> ivoks: i had the idea we should collect clever scripts in a motu-tools package
[12:33] <dholbach> so everybody could improve them and we all had the tools to make a good job
[12:33] <Lathiat> dholbach: mmm, ajmitch and i have a little bzr repo with a few usefull tools
[12:33] <dholbach> Lathiat: wouldnt it be better to have them in the archive?
[12:34] <dholbach> Lathiat: so we'd "release them with documentation and everything" every now and then?
[12:34] <Lathiat> sure
[12:34] <Lathiat> just mentioning we have one
[12:34] <dholbach> yeah... that's cool
[12:34] <ivoks> gcc-4.0 universe ftbs (?) blink blink :)
[12:34] <dholbach> we do SUCH a good job :)
[12:34] <Lathiat> haha ivoks
[12:35] <Lathiat> the real bitch with pbuilder is if the apt sources download filas
[12:35] <Lathiat> like when the archive is broken
[12:35] <Lathiat> (which happens far too often)
[12:35] <Lathiat> the whole thing aborts and you ahve to start again
[12:35] <Lathiat> *fails
[12:36] <ivoks> never tried iptraf
[12:36] <ivoks> what a fool I was
[12:37] <Lathiat> bwm is good to
[12:37] <Lathiat> as is dstat
[12:37] <Lathiat> dstat -a 10
[12:37] <dholbach> Lathiat: what do you think of bwm-ng?
[12:37] <Lathiat> dholbach: havent tried it
[12:37] <Lathiat> is it packaged?
[12:37] <dholbach> yes
[12:38] <dholbach> a friend of mine wrote it, so i packaged it ;)
[12:38] <Lathiat> ah
[12:39] <Lathiat> well for a start the default interval is 0.5s
[12:39] <Lathiat> which is silly b ecause mroe often than not that ends up in inaccurate readings
[12:39] <Lathiat> youll get 300K/s for hafl the second
[12:39] <Lathiat> and 0 the other half
[12:39] <Lathiat> (meaning 150K/s)
[12:39] <Lathiat> and i just saw taht happen
[12:39] <Lathiat> happens with netspeed applet too
[12:39] <ivoks> iptraf rulez
[12:39] <Lathiat> ivoks: indeed, how the hell did you not knwo about it? ;p
[12:39] <dholbach> Lathiat: we/you could change that interval in a patch :)
[12:39] <ivoks> Lathiat: i did know about it, but never used it
[12:39] <Lathiat> dholbach: mmm, bwm-ng is good
[12:40] <Lathiat> dholbach: it seems actually accurate, bwm had a habbit of not being accurate
[12:40] <ivoks> Lathiat: my tools were ettercap and sniffit
[12:40] <Lathiat> ivoks: :)
[12:40] <ivoks> now are those + iptraf :)
[12:40] <ivoks> of course, nmap too
[12:41] <ivoks> Lathiat: bwm-ng -t 1 :)
[12:41] <Lathiat> ivoks: you can increase it when its runnign too
[12:41] <Lathiat> but the default being 0.5s is silly :)
[12:41] <ivoks> ah well...
[12:42] <ivoks> poker3d builds too :/ (noise, noise, noise :)
[12:44] <ivoks> ah, time to go...
[12:44] <dholbach> have a nice day :)
[12:44] <ivoks> 2.4.27 kernel finally build on 386 :)
[12:44] <ivoks> i'll get back to ftbs later this day
[12:44] <ivoks> later today... urgh
[01:01] <dholbach> could somebody check if the package fixes (not the NEW stuff) on REVU got uploaded?
[01:24] <dholbach> pef: around?
[01:29] <pef> dholbach: yes
[01:30] <dholbach> pef: could you elaborate on the kvpnc update?
[01:30] <dholbach> pef: does it have fixes we want to have?
[01:31] <pef> dholbach: nothing critical as far as I looked in the latest cvs entries
[01:31] <dholbach> pef: you think it is wise to get it in now?
[01:32] <pef> dholbach: the 0.8 release does not correct critical things
[01:32] <dholbach> janimo: had a look at xfce4-taskmanager - could you tell the maintainer to take care of the stuff i noted?
[01:33] <pef> dholbach: just minors changes and fixes : http://home.gna.org/kvpnc/en/changelog.html
[01:33] <dholbach> pef: does the old release work fine or should we do the upgrade to make things nicer for people? or wait for dapper rather?
[01:33] <janimo> dholbach, will do thanks
[01:33] <janimo> he's markuman btw
[01:34] <dholbach> janimo: ahhh ok
[01:34] <pef> dholbach: is it an expensive process to upgrade to the last version ?
[01:34] <dholbach> pef: wow that's a load of *fixes*
[01:35] <dholbach> pef: no, not expansive, but if it breaks things, that's bad so short before release
[01:35] <dholbach> janimo: is markuman well-integrated into the xfce team?
[01:35] <janimo> dholbach, he's new
[01:35] <janimo> about a week old :)
[01:36] <pef> dholbach: unfortunately I cannot test all features (cisco tunnels, openswan, etc), so I can't be sure something isn't broken
[01:36] <janimo> and this is his first package
[01:36] <dholbach> janimo: then try to integrate him into the team nicely :)
[01:36] <janimo> dholbach, I am ;)
[01:36] <dholbach> :)
[01:37] <dholbach> pef: could you talk to riddell about the update then?
[01:37] <pef> dholbach: I will do it right now
[01:37] <dholbach> ok
[01:40] <pef> dholbach: he will look between two kde compilations ;) I will keep you informated
[01:40] <dholbach> pef: if he's fine with it, he can just upload it
[01:40] <dholbach> pef: and MAN take care of becoming a MOTU (attending the meetings) - we WANT you :)
[01:41] <pef> :]
[01:41] <pef> next motu meeting is post release, isn't it ?
[01:42] <dholbach> i rather meant the CC meeting (to become a member) and the TB meeting to get uploading privileges (and be a MOTU), but it would be nice to have you in MOTU meetings as well :)
[01:42] <dholbach> and yes, it's post-release
[01:42] <dholbach> janimo: get another approval of xubuntu-artwork - you have mine
[01:43] <Lathiat> revu?
[01:43] <dholbach> yes
[01:43] <pef> dholbach: I would be glad to be a MOTU, but I'm not sure to have enough time
[01:44] <dholbach> pef: you do more work than some approved MOTUs
[01:44] <janimo> dholbach, thanks :)
[01:44] <dholbach> de rien :)
[01:45] <janimo> you rock
[01:45] <dholbach> i try to do my best :)
[01:45] <pef> dholbach: ooh..if you think i'm able to become a MOTU, I will seriously think about it :)
[01:45] <janimo> don't forget to sleep though :)
[01:45] <Lathiat> haha janimo
[01:46] <dholbach> pef: Riddell will be grateful to have you working in the kubuntu world
[01:46] <pef> :D
[01:47] <pef> I'm not very skilled in c++, I think it's a big problem to help with qt/kde
[01:48] <Lathiat> nah you just sortof muddle your way through
[01:49] <Treenaks> most kde devs do 8)
[01:49] <Lathiat> so how do i make the xubuntu usplash work isntead of the defaul tone?
[01:49] <Lathiat> Treenaks: haha
[01:50] <Lathiat> hrm, well the image is stretched, and doesnt seem to have an area for text or the progress bar
[01:51] <janimo> Lathiat, wait till it's uploaded
[01:51] <Lathiat> till whats uploaded?
[01:52] <janimo> then do dpkg-reconfigure --config usplash-artwork.so
[01:52] <pef> dholbach: [13:42]  <dholbach> i rather meant the CC meeting (to become a member) and the TB meeting to get uploading privileges (and be a MOTU), but it would be nice to have you in MOTU meetings as well :) I'm already and approved Ubuntu member, so I can apply to MOTU membership  now ?
[01:52] <Lathiat> oh i seee how the usplash artwork is changed, it uses alternatives
[01:52] <janimo> xubuntu-artwork is not yet uplaoded
[01:52] <Lathiat> janimo: im looking at it from revu
[01:52] <dholbach> pef yeah
[01:52] <janimo> oh ok
[01:52] <Lathiat> you needed a second approval no?
[01:52] <janimo> Lathiat, yes :)
[01:52] <janimo> so build the deb and install it
[01:53] <Lathiat> i did :)
[01:53] <janimo> then dpkg-reconfigure should do it
[01:53] <janimo> or maybe a new initramfs too? I forgot :(
[01:54] <Lathiat> yeh new initramfs
[01:54] <Lathiat> brb
[01:54] <janimo> dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r `
[01:54] <janimo> but first set it with alternatives
[01:55] <janimo> Lathiat beware it's not too nice now but there's anew image pending in the queue
[01:57] <Lathiat> janimo: ok package is fine
[01:57] <Lathiat> janimo: image isnt great
[01:57] <Lathiat> janimo: if theres a new one, rock :)
[01:57] <Lathiat> when can i see the new one?
[01:58] <dholbach> Riddell: could it be that everything in the KDE world is built with --rpath on amd64?
[01:58] <Lathiat> hrm, wesnoth 1.0
[01:59] <Riddell> dholbach: if could be but that sounds slightly insane
[01:59] <Riddell> dholbach: you'll be pleased to know I just took delivery of an amd64 5 minutes ago so I'll be able to investigate
[01:59] <dholbach> ROCK
[01:59] <dholbach> Riddell: it's just that i saw it in nearly all the kde stuff i reviewed
[01:59] <Lathiat> --rpath?
[02:00] <dholbach> Riddell: the kde/qt buildsystem gives you a --disable-rpath (which is good), it just doesnt seem to work on amd64
[02:01] <dholbach> Lathiat: search for binary-or-shlibs-defines-rpath (which is the corresponding lintian warning)
[02:02] <Lathiat> siretart: about?
[02:02] <Lathiat> siretart: my password isnt working for revu, and gpg decryption reveals nothing
[02:03] <janimo> Lathiat, http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5786/usplash1jn.png
[02:03] <janimo> it is not very much like edu/ku but close
[02:04] <Lathiat> janimo: oh, sexy
[02:04] <janimo> will let the artist know and if needed he'll tweak it
[02:04] <Lathiat> janimo: might be nice to add the little progress bar backgroudn like in the official one now
[02:04] <janimo> Jozsef Mak of the art team
[02:04] <janimo> hmmisn't the blak space the scroll background?
[02:04] <Lathiat> yeh but theres a progress bar
[02:04] <Lathiat> and in the official ojen
[02:04] <Lathiat> one
[02:04] <Lathiat> it now has a background
[02:04] <Lathiat> outlining it
[02:04] <Lathiat> (not essential, but nice)
[02:05] <Lathiat> just gives an idea of where the progress bar is progrssing to
[02:05] <janimo> aha I'll take a look thanks
[02:05] <janimo> and thanks for reviewing it ;)
[02:05] <Lathiat> nps, im happy with it
[02:05] <Lathiat> i cant comment on revu tho
[02:05] <Lathiat> since my accts borked
[02:06] <janimo> well if you vote for it it's ok I think, we have these logs to prove it :)
[02:09] <Lathiat> janimo: yep
[02:21] <ivoks> oh :)
[02:21] <ivoks> Rejected: Unknown distribution `breey'.
[02:21] <ivoks> :)
[02:23] <janimo> ivoks, you're already anticipating beyond dapper :)
[02:27] <ivoks> hehe yeah
[02:29] <Lathiat> ivoks: haha
[02:32] <ivoks> guys, i'm way ahead :)
[02:33] <ivoks> there, fixed netatalk is in :)
[02:35] <Lathiat> heh
[02:35] <Lathiat> so, wesnoth 1.0
[02:35] <Lathiat> seems to work fine
[02:35] <Lathiat> our version isnt *too* far off it
[02:35] <Lathiat> anyone violently disagree to syncing it?
[02:36] <ivoks> Lathiat: it someone does, he would be gently silent :)
[02:36] <Lathiat> dholbach: ?
[02:36] <Lathiat> ajmitch: ?
[02:37] <dholbach> how much testing did it get?
[02:38] <Yagisan> Lathiat: need wesnoth 1.0
[02:38] <Lathiat> dholbach: nothing i just started looking at it, it was released 2nd oct
[02:39] <Lathiat> it compiles etc fine
[02:39] <Lathiat> rus fine, plays fine
[02:39] <Lathiat> *runs
[02:39] <Lathiat> i'll check debbugs
[02:39] <Yagisan> must be able to play online
[02:39] <Lathiat> Yagisan: online play in 1.0?
[02:39] <Yagisan> esp for the ubuntuforums wesnoth matches
[02:40] <Lathiat> 1 bug about not being able to change language ingame
[02:40] <Lathiat> but thats hardly critical
[02:41] <Yagisan> Lathiat: usually when the version changes - it won't connect to online servers
[02:41] <dholbach> Yagisan: did you test wesnoth 1.0?
[02:41] <Yagisan> dholbach: when it downloads I will
[02:41] <dholbach> it'd be cool to put the packages up, so yagisan (wesnoth pro) can test it
[02:41] <Yagisan> dholbach: I suck so bad it's not funny (and my isp capped me :( _
[02:41] <Lathiat> Yagisan: do you want the compiled packages?
[02:42] <Yagisan> Lathiat: source (I'm amd64)
[02:42] <Lathiat> packages.debian.org/wesnoth
[02:42] <Lathiat> i made no changes
[02:42] <Yagisan> I think wesnoth should be part of ubuntu-desktop
[02:42] <Yagisan> :)
[02:42] <Lathiat> haha
[02:43] <Yagisan> thanks
[02:49] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:50] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[02:57] <ivoks> i will have to install redhat9
[02:58] <dredg> so very very thankful we're working on rolling out ubuntu here
[02:58] <dholbach> :)
[02:58] <dredg> the very notion of running the local highly customised but still redhat9 distribution fills me with the fear
[03:02] <ivoks> problem is...
[03:02] <ivoks> i have this stopid raid controler
[03:02] <ivoks> from promise
[03:02] <ivoks> and stopid promise doesn't support 2.6 kernel, nor any other distribution but redhat9 and suse9
[03:02] <ivoks> their source for driver is... crap
[03:03] <ivoks> and i don't have time to fix it... i need this machine working yesterday
[03:03] <Yagisan> ivoks: raid 1, 5 ??
[03:03] <ivoks> 5
[03:03] <ivoks> i will try one more thing with debian/ubuntu, and if that doesn't work, redhat it is..
[03:03] <ivoks> not cause i like redhat, but cause i hate promise
[03:04] <Yagisan> ivoks: why not copy the data to another box - and use the promise controller as a glorified ide/scsi/sata controller ?
[03:04] <havoc> ivoks: I've been in that same situation :(
[03:05] <Yagisan> put in software raid and copy back ?
[03:05] <ivoks> Yagisan: i can do that with sx6000?
[03:05] <ivoks> Yagisan: make it simple IDE controler?
[03:05] <Yagisan> ivoks: I have absolutely no idea
[03:06] <Yagisan> most seem to be able to work like that though
[03:06] <ivoks> i2o doesn't work either
[03:06] <ivoks> :(
[03:07] <ivoks> Yagisan: i will check out if that's possible
[03:07] <ivoks> Yagisan: ah... it won't work
[03:07] <ivoks> Yagisan: it's not that linux doesn't get RAID, but it doesn't detect controller
[03:07] <ivoks> Yagisan: so, whatever is attached to controller, i can't see it, be it RAID or one single disk
[03:08] <Yagisan> ivoks: ah - you have the "new" firmware
[03:08] <ivoks> yep :(
[03:08] <dholbach> zyga: there are quite some ruby packages on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseFTBFS
[03:09] <zyga> dholbach: checking
[03:10] <dholbach> zyga: mightr be worth to investigate: 1) if it built later again on our boxes, or 2) if debian fixed it
[03:10] <ivoks> this is why ubuntu must go prime time...
[03:10] <zyga> dholbach: s/one source package, may binary packages/...many.../
[03:10] <dholbach> oh right
[03:11] <Yagisan> ivoks: ok - from my quick googling it seems that ac was supposed to look at that last september
[03:12] <Yagisan> ivoks: debian is a no-go ? it has 2.4.x
[03:12] <zyga> dholbach: uhhh... finding out 'which ruby package ftbfs is not a simple question with all those directories'
[03:12] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=731 anyone to sponsor upload? ;)
[03:12] <dholbach> which source package is it?
[03:13] <dholbach> sistpoty: will look
[03:13] <sistpoty> dholbach: thx... also it's nothing but an ugly hack  ;)
[03:13] <ivoks> Yagisan: it's no-go
[03:13] <ivoks> Yagisan: you have to build that module with debian headers - that i did
[03:14] <ivoks> Yagisan: but then i get to many unresolved... bla. bla... bla
[03:14] <ivoks> Yagisan: i'm fighting with that for 5 days now
[03:14] <Yagisan> ivoks: use a vanilla kernel
[03:14] <dholbach> zyga: which source package?
[03:14] <ivoks> Yagisan: i allways do that :)
[03:14] <ivoks> Yagisan: i tried 5 kernels
[03:14] <ivoks> Yagisan: that source driver isn't written for vanilla kernel
[03:14] <ivoks> Yagisan: it's written for redhat/suse kernels
[03:14] <zyga> dholbach: /me needs to know which packages to look at
[03:15] <ivoks> Yagisan: old RH, SSE kernels
[03:15] <ivoks> Yagisan: it's shitty controller and I'm not going to spend a minute more on it
[03:15] <Yagisan> ivoks: grab the redhat kernel source - patch with promise - make-kpkg
[03:16] <ivoks> Yagisan: there is no patch :)
[03:16] <Yagisan> ivoks: what do you use the box for ?
[03:17] <ivoks> backup
[03:18] <dholbach> sistpoty: done
[03:18] <dholbach> zyga: i thought you were interested in ruby stuff
[03:18] <Yagisan> ivoks: I've just had a look around about that card - and I have only one word for you - ebay
[03:19] <ivoks> Yagisan: :)
[03:19] <zyga> dholbach: I am - I'm just not familiar with finding out exactly which packages I need to look at yet :D
[03:19] <sistpoty> dholbach: thx :)
[03:19] <zoot_> hi! i'm trying to get kiosk mode working on the standard xfce-4.2.2 install on breezy, but adding [xfce4-panel] \nCustomizePanel=root in /etc/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc has no effect. this works on my other slackware boxes. any pointers?
[03:20] <Yagisan> ivoks: seriously - if you can - get rid of that card. I'm seeing awful stories in the suse forums
[03:20] <ivoks> Yagisan: it's ugly if you use i2o
[03:21] <ivoks> it's crap, i know
[03:21] <ivoks> Yagisan: but I'm not the one to decide.. :)
[03:21] <Yagisan> ivoks: yep - they go the spec wrong (and their service was crap)
[03:22] <Yagisan> ivoks: your not ? doesn't anyone listen to your technical advice ?
[03:22] <ivoks> Yagisan: i created raid5 with 3TB on i386, i can do everything, but this shit... man! :(
[03:22] <ivoks> Yagisan: sure it does...
[03:24] <ivoks> well, got to go...
[03:24] <ivoks> i'm heading to 1GB pipe to d/l rh9 :(
[03:24] <Yagisan> ivoks: is there data on that system ?
[03:24] <ivoks> wouldn't it be great if VPN would provide you speed with IP addresses of a host? :)
[03:25] <ivoks> Yagisan: on what system? with sx6000? no
[03:25] <Yagisan> ivoks: ah - what sort of load is it expected to handle ?
[03:25] <ivoks> Yagisan: well...it will be mail server+backup
[03:26] <Yagisan> ivoks: cpu ?
[03:26] <ivoks> Yagisan: ah...darn.... RH uses sendmail
[03:26] <Yagisan> ram ?
[03:26] <ivoks> fsck!!!!
[03:26] <Yagisan> ivoks - I have an idea
[03:26] <ivoks> Yagisan: i will change that shit :)
[03:26] <havoc> ivoks: any distro can use whatever you want it to
[03:26] <ivoks> havoc: i know ;)
[03:26] <havoc> :)
[03:27] <Yagisan> ivoks: go to petty cash - help youself - go to electronics store - G'day 3 pci ide cards thanks
[03:27] <ivoks> :)
[03:27] <ivoks> Yagisan: not nad idea
[03:27] <ivoks> bad
[03:27] <Yagisan> ivoks: stick in box - ebay promise crap - refill petty cash
[03:28] <Yagisan> ivoks: make sure the are the two port models - stick everything on master and your sweet
[03:29] <Yagisan> ivoks: about $150au all up (includes coffee on the way back :) )
[03:29] <ivoks> :)
[03:30] <ivoks> well, see you guys...
[03:30] <Yagisan> ivoks: My RAID is 1 PATA + 2 SATA drives - software
[03:30] <ivoks> thanks for advice
[03:30] <Yagisan> no worries ivoks
[03:30] <ivoks> Yagisan: i have couple of RAIDs
[03:30] <Yagisan> good luck
[03:30] <ivoks> Yagisan: all kinds, mirror, soft mirror, 5, soft 5
[03:30] <ivoks> even linear :)
[03:31] <ivoks> bye
[03:31] <Yagisan> ivoks: I'm just a small business - I can't afford more (I even have 2 more PATA ports - but the driver is 2.6.13 :( )
[03:31] <Yagisan> damm - too slow
[03:35] <zoot_> is crimsun around?
[03:45] <thesaltydog> ogra, ping
[03:46] <ogra> thesaltydog, ?
[03:49] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:51] <dholbach> hey bddebian :)
[03:53] <bddebian> Morning Daniel
[03:54] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[03:55] <sistpoty> ok, what is top prio atm? should i go for ftbfs or finish haskell-transition first?
[03:56] <zoot_> reprise: of those just on, anyone with experience with kiosk mode? (xfce on ubuntu breezy)
[03:56] <slomo_> crimsun or Riddell: who of you two was working on getting a musicbrainz/libtunepimp package with mp3 support?
[03:58] <dholbach> sistpoty: whatever you like better :)
[03:59] <Yagisan> Lathiat, dholbach: wesnoth seems fine to me - I'd sync it (but I'm not a MOTU)
[03:59] <dholbach> Yagisan: thanks for double-checking
[04:00] <dholbach> Lathiat: go! :)
[04:00] <sistpoty> dholbach: ack ;)
[04:00] <Riddell> slomo_: not I
[04:00] <Riddell> slomo_: if you did that it would be great
[04:00] <Yagisan> dholbach: heh - I love the excuse to play :)
[04:01] <dholbach> "no mom, this time it's for a good cause!"
[04:01] <dholbach> :)
[04:01] <sistpoty> btw.: is it safe to fire up two pbuilder in parallel (i.e. pbuildering two packages?)?
[04:01] <dholbach> sistpoty: i did 4 :)
[04:01] <sistpoty> dholbach: wow
[04:03] <Yagisan> dholbach: actually - it's no honey I'm working
[04:03] <Yagisan> sistpoty: I have 3-4 going at once
[04:03] <Yagisan> sistpoty: gets choppy around 6
[04:04] <sistpoty> Yagisan: i think i start with two... my machine is quite old (duron 1300) ;)
[04:04] <slomo_> Riddell: ok, but someone already told me about that... i'll create universe packages for the two
[04:04] <slomo_> Riddell: this evening or tomorrow
[04:04] <dholbach> slomo_: thank you
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty, slomo_, Riddell, Yagisan :-)
[04:05] <Yagisan> sistpoty: I had one of those (I could do 3 depending on the packages) - It overheated and shorted out :(
[04:05] <Yagisan> G'day bddebian
[04:06] <Yagisan> sistpoty: shortly before my duron died - I had it run all of main through pbuilder - that was interesting
[04:07] <slomo_> dholbach: and it could be even in main... it just can't be shipped with the cds... so i could simply patch the main packages we have to build two binary packages... one with mp3, one without... but that's probably a too big change for breezy now...
[04:07] <sistpoty> Yagisan: i had mine up to 78 degrees once... but then i decided to buy a better fan ;) (58 degrees currently)
[04:07] <dholbach> slomo_: if you could discuss this with somebody else in #u-devel, i'd be grateful
[04:08] <dholbach> slomo_: because i'm not sure about what to ship/not-ship - and main will be tough
[04:08] <slomo_> dholbach: yes but not now ;) i have to go shopping now... maybe this evening or tomorrow
[04:08] <dholbach> have fun :)
[04:08] <slomo_> dholbach: libmad and stuff are already in main... so we have everything we need there ;) we just can't ship it on cds
[04:08] <Yagisan> sistpoty: I'd had a very hot spell - so that contributed. otherwise my duron was nice
[04:09] <slomo_> dholbach: thanks :)
[04:10] <bddebian> Is there a meta packages that provides libXau et al?  Should xlibs-dev provide that?
[04:11] <Yagisan> anyone have any links on how to set up distcc and ccache with pbuilder ?
[04:13] <ivoks> hi
[04:13] <ivoks> decision has beed made
[04:13] <ivoks> Yagisan: thanks for solution :)
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya ivoks
[04:14] <ivoks> hey
[04:20] <dholbach> bddebian: libxau-dev
[04:22] <Lathiat> dholbach: ok
[04:22] <dholbach> bddebian: use dlocate :)
[04:22] <bddebian> dholbach: I knew that, I meant a meta package that privided libxau, libxaw, libxext, etc :-)
[04:23] <Lathiat> dholbach: requested
[04:23] <dholbach> bddebian: apt-cache rdepends libxau-dev :)
[04:23] <dholbach> Lathiat: super
[04:23] <Lathiat> now back to gl transition
[04:23] <bddebian> Bahh :-)
[04:23] <Lathiat> whats happening with the haskell (ghc) stuff?
[04:23] <bddebian> Lathiat: What needs a gl transition yet?
[04:23] <Lathiat> is ghc5 now bootstrapped?
[04:24] <Lathiat> bddebian: theres 4 things
[04:24] <Lathiat> ok, ghc5 hasnt been fixed
[04:24] <Lathiat> bah
[04:24] <Lathiat> ghc6 was tho
[04:24] <Lathiat> bddebian: boson-base, felt, ghc5, cl-sdl, libgtkada2, ncbi-tools6, python-visual, sage
[04:24] <Lathiat> bddebian: i'm lookign at them all now
[04:26] <bddebian> Lathiat: Boson-base is severely broken with gcc4
[04:26] <Lathiat> b	oh?
[04:26] <Lathiat> bddebian: is there an upstraem fix?
[04:26] <Lathiat> can it be built with 3.3?
[04:28] <bddebian> Lathiat: Upstream ftbfs also from what I hear
[04:28] <Lathiat> mm, no debian fixes
[04:28] <Lathiat> bddebian: ah, sucky
[04:28] <bddebian> There is a .11 version upstream I think
[04:28] <bddebian> I haven't tried with gcc-3.4
[04:28] <sistpoty> Lathiat: ignore ghc5 it should be morgued... (debian morgues it as well)
[04:28] <dholbach> anything interesting from: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=boson-base?
[04:28] <Lathiat> sistpoty: oh ok
[04:28] <Yagisan> ivoks: glad I could help
[04:29] <Lathiat> yes, debian C++ transition
[04:29] <Lathiat> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=327934
[04:29] <Lathiat> no progress tho
[04:31] <Lathiat> might be psosible to do g++-3.4
[04:38] <ivoks> um...
[04:38] <ivoks> saslauthd has a bug :)
[04:38] <ivoks> in debian :)
[04:38] <ivoks> and in ubuntu, too
[04:40] <crimsun> slomo_: not me, at least not actively
[04:46] <Yagisan> ivoks: sorry can't help with that one
[04:47] <zoot_> hi crimsun: tracked you down here :) need help with kiosk mode - can't get it to work (breezy)
[04:48] <ivoks> Yagisan: haha np
[04:48] <ivoks> Yagisan: i know that one :)
[04:48] <Yagisan> ivoks: so what cards are you getting ?
[04:49] <crimsun> zoot_: general question? -> #ubuntu
[04:49] <ivoks> Yagisan: didn't thing of that yet...
[04:50] <zoot_> crimsun: no-one there to help. have kiosk mode running perfectly on slackware boxes, so my config is fine - unless the ubuntu pkg uses a diff location for kioskrc?
[04:50] <zoot_> this is xfce related
[04:50] <zoot_> and i see you're down as an admin for xfce on ubuntu ;)
[04:51] <Yagisan> ivoks: ok - don't get ite8212 based cards - the need a driver from 2.6.13 that was too late to be backported from breezy
[04:51] <crimsun> zoot_: try asking in #xubuntu-devel, too. I'm sorry to punt on you at the moment like this, but I'm packing for a drive to Atlanta
[04:51] <zoot_> k, thx
[04:51] <ivoks> Yagisan: don't worry (i can allways put my own kernel)
[04:52] <ivoks> does any one knows were i can get rhel4?
[04:52] <bddebian> dholbach: Are those FTBFs's supposed to be in order of "importance" ?
[04:52] <Yagisan> ivoks: yeah - but if you need to install on it, it's a pain
[04:52] <Yagisan> ivoks: rhel4 == white box linux
[04:52] <crimsun> bddebian: yeah, popularity
[04:52] <dholbach> bddebian: the information on popcon might be a bit stale, but yes, it's supposed to be ranks
[04:53] <hubH> mouahhhh
[04:53] <ivoks> Yagisan: i know that, but i have rhn account
[04:53] <Yagisan> ivoks: there is another one too, but I forgot it's name
[04:53] <hubH> "Get out of jail free"
[04:53] <bddebian> Guess I'll look at gpdf
[04:53] <Yagisan> ivoks: oh - I thought you meant for "free"
[04:53] <dredg> whitebox linux is not a good thing
[04:53] <dredg> all packages are done by one guy
[04:54] <dredg> centos is a better free rhel
[04:54] <Yagisan> dredg: thanks - that's the one that I forgot the name of
[04:54] <hubH> bddebian: evince
[04:54] <ivoks> Yagisan: rhel IS free
[04:54] <ivoks> Yagisan: rhn is not
[04:54] <Yagisan> ivoks: not binaries
[04:54] <ivoks> Yagisan: yup, even binaries :)
[04:54] <dredg> ivoks: you should be able to login to rhn and download the iso
[04:55] <ivoks> dredg: i know...
[04:55] <Yagisan> ivoks: hmm- tell red hat asia-pac
[04:55] <dredg> Yagisan: technically there is nothing stopping ivoks burning a copy of rhel4 and giving it to me for free
[04:55] <ivoks> dredg: well...
[04:55] <ivoks> dredg: trade mark issues :)
[04:55] <Yagisan> dredg: I know -  and if the support was good - I'd pay for it
[04:56] <ivoks> i will d/l evaluation copy
[04:56] <ivoks> and put in my account
[04:56] <Yagisan> but there is a reason I use ubuntu - better support
[04:56] <dredg> Yagisan: er, sure
[04:56] <Yagisan> - and the people are nicer
[04:56] <ivoks> Yagisan: ah, this isn't about better support or anything
[04:56] <ivoks> Yagisan: my copmany is paying me RHCE, so... :)
[04:56] <dredg> if rhel dies at 4am i want someone i can phone and demand that they fix it
[04:57] <ivoks> dredg: that will be available for ubuntu too, soon :)
[04:57] <Yagisan> dredg: red hat f*cked up several largeish installs here - the clients went back to windows
[04:57] <ivoks> dredg: even now you can buy support from canonical
[04:57] <dredg> ivoks: sure. i was just using it as an example. we're unlikely to need support for any machines :)
[04:58] <ivoks> at least here...
[04:58] <dredg> if something dies outright we can just zap the install and start again :)
[04:59] <Yagisan> dredg: It kinda sucks to see linux failure in major newspapers - with red hat cited as the vendor
[05:00] <ivoks> Yagisan: i'll do ubuntu desktop installation in one company very soon
[05:00] <ivoks> Yagisan: arround 20 computers
[05:00] <Yagisan> congrats ivoks
[05:00] <ivoks> Yagisan: they will migrate all machines to linux, except one... need for AutoCAD
[05:00] <bddebian> hubH: ??
[05:00] <Yagisan> ivoks: I promote it to my customers
[05:01] <ivoks> Yagisan: ?
[05:01] <hubH> bddebian: gpdf is crap. use Evince
[05:01] <Yagisan> ivoks: I promote ubuntu migrations to my customers
[05:01] <dredg> ivoks: we're working on making ubuntu our supported linux desktop
[05:01] <hubH> bddebian: or xpdf
[05:01] <crimsun> hubH: gpdf is on the FTBFS list
[05:01] <bddebian> hubH: I'm talking aboutfixing FTBFSs :)
[05:02] <dredg> ivoks: unfortunately, due to the way we do things, it requires a bit of hacking :)
[05:02] <hubH> FTBFS?
[05:02] <hubH> what that?
[05:02] <bddebian> hubH: Fails to Build From Source
[05:02] <hubH> ah
[05:02] <Lathiat> bddebian: compiling boson 0.11, so far so good
[05:03] <Lathiat> a bazillion warnins
[05:03] <Lathiat> but no errors yet
[05:03] <dredg> ivoks: where 'a bit' means 'quite a lot' :)
[05:03] <bddebian> Lathiat: Awesome, thx
[05:03] <bddebian> Lathiat: with gcc4?
[05:03] <Lathiat> bddebian: indeed
[05:03] <ivoks> dredg: like what?
[05:04] <dredg> ivoks: not allowed say
[05:04] <Lathiat> bddebian: doh, failed. :)
[05:04] <bddebian> Heh :-)
[05:04] <dredg> suffice to say we use patched kerberos, ldap and nfsv4 everywhere
[05:04] <Lathiat> looks fixable
[05:05] <dredg> and a whole load of custom apps that work with that setup
[05:05] <ivoks> dredg: ok :)
[05:05] <ivoks> dholbach: ping
[05:05] <dholbach> ivoks: pong
[05:06] <ivoks> dholbach: will you sister come to UBZ? :)
[05:06] <dholbach> i don't think so :)
[05:06] <Yagisan> ivoks: stop trying to pick up
[05:06] <ivoks> ah... :(
[05:06] <ivoks> :))
[05:06] <bddebian> hehe
[05:06] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[05:07] <torkel> dredg: patched kerberos and ldap in what way?
[05:07] <dredg> torkel: no comment
[05:07] <zakame> bddebian: hi
[05:07] <tritium_> hi guys
[05:07] <zoot_> crimsun: sorry to bug you, but not a soul is on #xubuntu-devel. if u get a chance, let me know where else i may find help - have posted to xfce list but a bit pointless as kiosk mode works fine when i configure it on other distros... hmmm - will plug away..
[05:08] <dredg> torkel: i'm not sure just what i'm allowed talk about so i'm just going to shut up now :)
[05:10] <torkel> dredg: sure. I'm intrested in what way and why you have to patch kerberos and ldap though :-)
[05:10] <dredg> torkel: i'm not sure myself, i just know it has to be done :) i've not been introduced to the real voodoo yet
[05:11] <bddebian> How does debian/watch work?
[05:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: you give url with regexp in debian/watch and then you can "uscan" which pretty much downloads the new version
[05:12] <Yagisan> dredg: where do you work ?
[05:12] <ivoks> NSA :)
[05:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: It's already there so I just run uscan?
[05:12] <tritium_> bddebian: once elmo syncs the packge for me, I just rebuild and upload?
[05:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: yes
[05:12] <tritium_> package
[05:13] <bddebian> tritium_: You shouldn't have to do anything, just check the buildlogs and make sure it builds on all archs :-)
[05:13] <torkel> Lathiat: what have i done now? except beeing OT?
[05:13] <tritium_> oh, that's even better, thanks, bddebian
[05:13] <bddebian> tritium_: Anytime :)
[05:13] <Yagisan> ivoks: your shitting me right ?
[05:14] <ivoks> yeah :)
[05:14] <bddebian> sistpoty: How do I know if it did anything?  I got no output from uscan
[05:15] <sistpoty> bddebian: you didn't?
[05:15] <bddebian> sistpoty: Nope, just came back to the CL
[05:16] <sistpoty> bddebian: then it probably didn't do a thing... I'll retry it with a package here, to make sure i didn't talk crap ;)
[05:17] <sistpoty> bddebian: did you do it in top-level-src-dir? you could also try --verbose
[05:18] <dredg> Yagisan: google
[05:22] <bddebian> sistpoty: I'll try verbose, thx
[05:23] <bddebian> sistpoty: It's OK, there was no newer version :-(
[05:23] <bddebian> Shit, so I guess it's a manual gcc4 fix :-(
[05:24] <Yagisan> dredg: you work at google ?
[05:25] <dredg> Yagisan: correct
[05:25] <ivoks> :)
[05:26] <dredg> not quite NSA :)
[05:27] <Yagisan> dredg: must have lots of interesting toys there ...
[05:28] <ivoks> ok, downloading AS iso
[05:28] <ivoks> ETA 40min :/
[05:28] <Yagisan> my webpage was page ranked 1st once
[05:28] <dredg> Yagisan: some yeah :)
[05:29] <Yagisan> dredg: So when is the high profile switch to Ubuntu :)
[05:29] <ivoks> i'm not sure google has any plans with ubuntu :)
[05:29] <ivoks> they are partners with sun now :)
[05:30] <Lathiat> ubuntu on sunfires ! :)
[05:30] <dredg> no comment...
[05:30] <dredg> ;)
[05:31] <ivoks> this brings as to
[05:31] <ivoks> dredg has nothing with google :)
[05:32] <dredg> Yagisan: it won't be that high profile :) it's not like we're rolling it out on the servers or anything :)
[05:32] <Lathiat> imposter!
[05:32] <dredg> and as for the sun thing, last time i checked that was a toolbar distribution deal with java
[05:32] <ivoks> yeah...
[05:33] <ivoks> it would be great if google would stand behind ubuntu...
[05:33] <ivoks> but... that's in some other parallel universe :)
[05:33] <Lathiat> Maybe we can get a changeling infiltrator at the highest ranks of google :)
[05:34] <ivoks> one question...
[05:34] <ivoks> dredg: what's the best desktop distribution?
[05:34] <dredg> ivoks: in my opinion, ubuntu. i've been using it for about a year
[05:34] <ivoks> dredg: ok, it's irrelevant if you work for google or not, you are one of us :)
[05:35] <dredg> ivoks: erm ok :)
[05:35] <bddebian> Guys I don't want to be a jerk becaues I usually don't care but can you take this elsewhere?
[05:35] <janimo> like ubuntu-devel :)
[05:35] <ivoks> bddebian: you are right...
[05:37] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=732 (hat) anyone willing to upload?
[05:37] <siretart> hi
[05:37] <siretart> sistpoty: looking at it
[05:37] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[05:37] <sistpoty> thx... it will take some time to build ;)
[05:38] <siretart> I'm just revu-build'ing it ;)
[05:38] <sistpoty> hehe
[05:39] <ivoks> um...
[05:39] <ivoks> xlibmesa-dev is now...?
[05:39] <sistpoty> siretart: in case revu-builds fail, some strange things happen (imo)... i got "*.diff" and other files starting with "*." lying around
[05:39] <siretart> sistpoty: do you know when the next TB meeting is? I assume it wasn't yesteday, was it?
[05:40] <siretart> sistpoty: yeah, right
[05:40] <ivoks> ah...
[05:40] <sistpoty> siretart: no, mdz said he didn't get reply fast enough... so i assume it will be the regularly one
[05:40] <siretart> thats how revu-build is implemented. it's a small shell script with some redirects
[05:42] <hubH> w00t
[05:42] <hubH> 3 package advocated
[05:42] <zakame> bddebian: hmm, seems that lighttpd's license is a bit problematic, imo...
[05:43] <ivoks> if we have build1, that becomes build2 or ubuntu1?
[05:43] <bddebian> ivoks: If you change build-deps it's ubuntu1 if you just rebuild it's build2
[05:43] <ivoks> ok
[05:43] <siretart> ivoks: depends. did you change anything else thath debian/changelog, ubuntu1
[05:44] <dredg> right, time to go home
[05:44] <ivoks> dredg: bye
[05:44] <dredg> later
[05:49] <sistpoty> wow... i just fixed a package i haven't known, which i find extremely useful :)
[05:49] <bddebian> sistpoty: :)
[05:49] <ivoks> :)
[05:49] <ivoks> me too
[05:49] <ivoks> chromium :)
[05:52] <ivoks> ok, leave packages from r-z to me...
[05:52] <ivoks> i'll do that, ok?
[05:52] <ivoks> so we don't do double work..
[05:55] <sistpoty> ivoks: ok
[05:56] <ivoks> all right
[05:57] <\sh> moins
[05:57] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[05:57] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=733 (seahorse) anyone to upload?
[05:58] <\sh> seahorse? it's in?
[05:59] <sistpoty> it ftbfs'd...
[05:59] <\sh> sistpoty: did u merge it or is it a new release?
[05:59] <sistpoty> sync from debian, and had to fiddle with the configure script (still ftbfs'd)
[05:59] <\sh> and now everything is ok?
[06:00] <sistpoty> it works :)... i successfully deleted my key:(
[06:00] <ivoks> :)
[06:00] <\sh> wow
[06:01] <\sh> sistpoty: I'll upload for you
[06:02] <sistpoty> thx \sh
[06:02] <azeem> Hi.  ghemical_1.90-2 now built fine on ia64 and amd64 in unstable, is there a chance to have that synced for Breezy?
[06:02] <siretart> sistpoty: oh. new upstream of hat?
[06:03] <sistpoty> siretart: yep... the older one isn't compatible to our ghc6-version
[06:04] <sistpoty> siretart: as in will compile, but won't be able to trace haskell stuff afterwards
[06:04] <siretart> sistpoty: okay
[06:04] <sistpoty> siretart: ogra told me it is ok ;)
[06:04] <siretart> super
[06:04] <\sh> sistpoty: u had a backup of your key?
[06:05] <sistpoty> on the keyserver... but it was my 2nd key which i actually wanted to revoke or s.th. :)
[06:06] <siretart> sistpoty: new key? I'm next week all day at uni, if you need a signature ;)
[06:06] <ivoks> :)
[06:07] <sistpoty> siretart: for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but with seahoarse i found out that i can use my old key and add an user id... so i didn't need the new one
[06:07] <sistpoty> siretart: however i did --send-key the new one already. how can i delete that now?
[06:08] <siretart> noway
[06:08] <sistpoty> damn ;)
[06:11] <Fuddl> siretart: quake3 source now splits into quake3 and quake3-server packages. i'll upload the new package this evening
[06:15] <siretart> hi Fuddl :)
[06:15] <siretart> Fuddl: cool!
[06:16] <siretart> Fuddl: welcome to MOTUGames, btw ;)
[06:16] <Fuddl> siretart: yepp, splitting quake3 was my final goal... phu... :)
[06:16] <ivoks> good job
[06:16] <Fuddl> siretart: eh..... why "welcome"? i just did this ONE package, ok?
[06:16] <Fuddl> :)
[06:17] <sistpoty> huhu Fuddl
[06:17] <Fuddl> hi sistpoty
[06:18] <siretart> okay, hat looks fine, uploading
[06:19] <sistpoty> cool, thx :)
[06:28] <bddebian> OK, xprint-xprintorg package SUCKS too
[06:35] <xerxas> is there an netinstall for ubuntu ?
[06:36] <zyga> xerxas: AFAIK no
[06:36] <zyga> xerxas: I asked the same question some time ago
[06:36] <zyga> xerxas: you can install debian and then upgrade to ubuntu (so to speak)
[06:39] <xerxas> or use a debstroop ; base-config ; apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:39] <xerxas> :)
[06:39] <\sh> netinstall?
[06:40] <\sh> there is a netinstall
[06:41] <\sh> I'm using it for my laptop
[06:41] <\sh> (pxeboot)
[06:42] <\sh> xerxas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[06:42] <\sh> xerxas: if it helps you
[06:42] <xerxas> \sh,  thanks
[06:42] <xerxas> will take look
[06:43] <zyga> you have compiled your first package
[06:43] <zyga> you gain 10 experience points ;-)
[06:44] <xerxas> :)
[06:45] <bddebian> Heh
[06:46] <zyga> but it would be quite boring
[06:46] <zyga> only bugs to squash
[06:46] <zyga> hehe
[06:49] <\sh> anyone needs syncs?
[06:49] <bddebian> Oh, kinda like MOTU work then.. ;-P
[06:49] <\sh> I'm writing a mail to elmo
[06:49] <zyga> \sh: for dapper?
[06:50] <\sh> for breezy
[06:50] <\sh> we're not done with universe right now ;)
[06:50] <zyga> ah, no then :)
[06:52] <azeem> \sh: 17:58 < azeem> Hi.  ghemical_1.90-2 now built fine on ia64 and amd64 in unstable, is there a chance to have that synced for Breezy?
[06:53] <\sh> this is the haskell stuff?
[06:53] <azeem> no
[06:54] <\sh> azeem: ok..putting it on my check list
[06:54] <\sh> azeem: your email address which is whitelisted on -changes?
[06:55] <\sh> azeem: and realname would be good as well ;)
[06:55] <\sh> regarding acl2
[06:56] <azeem> my realname is Michael Banck.  I am the maintainer of that package in Debian and noticed that it is unsynced in Breezy due to build failures in amd64.  As the latest version now built on amd64, I suggested to sync it.
[06:56] <azeem> but it's not particularly important I guess
[06:56] <\sh> azeem: everything we can fix is important
[06:56] <azeem> just a matter of priority :)
[07:02] <\sh> somethings wrong with my dsl line
[07:05] <sistpoty> bddebian: are you working on gpdf?
[07:09] <dholbach> re
[07:09] <sistpoty> wb
[07:09] <\sh> hey dholbach
[07:09] <dholbach> hey \sh, thanks for the flowers in your blog entry :)
[07:10] <dholbach> i was very pleased to read it :)
[07:10] <bddebian> sistpoty: Not at the moment.  It's pretty jacked
[07:10] <bddebian> wb dholbach
[07:10] <zyga> do you think it's reasonable to package firefox 1.5 beta builds and upgrade them often during dapper?
[07:11] <sistpoty> bddebian: i could try to fix it... unless you want to take it yourself ;)
[07:11] <\sh> dholbach: oh no..I only wrote the truth :)
[07:11] <dholbach> :))
[07:12] <bddebian> sistpoty: No, I'm at work, go for it :)
[07:12] <\sh> and I will nerve elmo today with all sync mails ;)
[07:12] <sistpoty> bddebian: ack
[07:12] <bddebian> \sh: Good, you can take my place ;-P
[07:12] <\sh> bddebian: hehe...but I'm writing some
[07:12] <\sh> honey words with my sync requests, like "have a nice weekend"
[07:12] <bddebian> \sh: I try that too ;-)
[07:13] <\sh> bddebian: yeah..but I'm leaving out the ",-)"
[07:13] <\sh> after "have a nice weekend"
[07:14] <bddebian> hehe
[07:14] <\sh> bddebian: I mean, when you go to work during weekends and someone tells you "have a nice weekend" on friday...
[07:15] <\sh> uh elmo is working :)
[07:16] <\sh> and now I see, that Lathiat requested as well wesnoth ;)
[07:16] <bddebian>  1.0?
[07:21] <\sh> yes
[07:28] <bddebian> \sh: See, he hates me :-)
[07:31] <\sh> bddebian: no
[07:52] <\sh> cheers guys
[08:08] <sistpoty> http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/debdiffs/gpdf_2.10.0-0ubuntu2_to_2.10.0-0ubuntu3.debdiff <- anyone to sponsor upload?
[08:09] <dholbach> can do so
[08:09] <sistpoty> cool :)
[08:10] <siretart> sistpoty: hat got already built on i386 and amd64 ;)
[08:10] <sistpoty> yep... i'm only waiting for ppc ;) (ia64 imo has no ghc6 yet)
[08:11] <dholbach> sistpoty: did so
[08:11] <sistpoty> thx
[08:18] <\sh> azeem
[08:18] <\sh> not here anymore
[08:25] <Fuddl> siretart: next quake3 upload to your revu-thing in the next hour :)
[08:26] <siretart> Fuddl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=723
[08:27] <Fuddl> siretart: eh... already fixed that yesterday
[08:27] <sistpoty> grrr... hat on ppc dep-waits for nhc98, and i dunno why. eventually this is because of hmake's or'd dependencies :(
[08:28] <siretart> :(
[08:28] <siretart> Fuddl: ah, in the next hour.. okay
[08:28] <hubH> whiprush: your post was funny about "Get out of jail"
[08:29] <hubH> whiprush: it is interesting that often the reason is "I have one of these Airport Extreme card and it does not work under linux"
[08:29] <sistpoty> nhc98 is a pita :)... hopefully we won't have to care for it much longer (it's discussed on debian to morgue it)
[08:29] <Fuddl> siretart: yepp, dist-upgrade to breezy is currently running
[08:31] <siretart> Fuddl: on your main system? cool! :)
[08:31] <\sh_away> nick \sh
[08:31] <\sh_away> bah
[08:32] <Fuddl> siretart: yeah, on MY system... uh... did i forget to mention vmware? ;)
[08:38] <sistpoty> lol: "The system has no more ptys.  Ask your system administrator to create more."
[08:39] <hubH> I think I found a pbuilder problem
[08:39] <hubH> pbuilder claim that there is no libxml-parser-perl
[08:39] <Fuddl> sistpoty: lol
[08:40] <hubH> as "checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool" fails
[08:40] <hubH> but intltool DEPEND on libxml-parser-perl
[08:41] <sistpoty> hubH: then fix that problem ;) maybe the configure[.in]  is wrong? or missing build-dep? or outdated pbuilder?
[08:42] <hubH> sistpoty: well, the pbuilder as been setup yesterday
[08:42] <Fuddl> siretart: btw. what about those .desktop files? are they required for ubuntu?
[08:42] <hubH> sistpoty: checking for intltool >= 0.21... 0.33 found
[08:43] <hubH> sistpoty: so I question myself
[08:43] <hubH> note that I'm complaining I'm just trying to understand
[08:43] <\sh> hubH: what is apt-get -s install intltool saying?
[08:44] <hubH> intltool is already the newest version.
[08:44] <sistpoty> hubH: try to look at configure.in (if configure is generated from it). maybe running the autotools (aclocal, autoconf...) to update files will do the trick
[08:44] <hubH> build find outside pbuilder
[08:45] <sistpoty> hubH: do you have "standard" autoconf installed? or a newer/older version?
[08:45] <hubH> sistpoty: then one in breezy
[08:47] <sistpoty> hubH: then i would try to (re)generate autotools files (see above)
[08:49] <siretart> Fuddl: there are required for the app beeing available in the kde/gnome menu.
[08:49] <siretart> Fuddl: we really do want them, but they are not a prequisite
[08:51] <Fuddl> siretart: work in progress[tm] ....
[09:22] <ivoks> hi
[09:23] <sistpoty> siretart: do you think a think a build-conflict to nhc98 in hat will solve the dep-wait issue?
[09:23] <sistpoty> hi ivoks
[09:23] <sistpoty> siretart: hat definitely doesn't need nhc98 to build
[09:23] <ivoks> so.. to inform you RHELAS4+update2 installation sucks and...
[09:24] <ivoks> it doesn't autodetect my resolution
[09:24] <ivoks> go ubuntu! :)
[09:25] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:25] <siretart> sistpoty: if a package is in dep-wait, you definitly need a buildd admin to kick the package
[09:25] <sistpoty> ok
[09:25] <ivoks> lol, first update, first problems :)
[09:25] <siretart> sistpoty: dep-wait is a state of wanna-build and requires in the current implementation manual interaction in any case. new upload will not help
[09:26] <sistpoty> siretart: but will kicking it help w.o. making sure nhc98 gets drawn in?
[09:27] <ivoks> Red Hat Network is currently experiencing technical difficulties. - so much about RHN...
[09:27] <ivoks> argh... back to Ubuntu
[09:27] <ivoks> will be back soon
[09:39] <siretart> sistpoty: is nhc98 installable and working on ppc? if not, it needs to be fixed first
[09:40] <sistpoty> siretart: I'll check...
[09:41] <sistpoty> siretart: no, it's i386 only... and it shouldn't be needed at all ;)
[09:44] <siretart> Fuddl: dscverify: invalid file length for quake3_1.33.SVN130.orig.tar.gz (wanted 7902070 got 0)
[09:44] <siretart> Validation FAILED!!
[09:44] <Fuddl> siretart: nnngrrrrr
[09:44] <siretart> Fuddl: did you use dput?
[09:44] <Fuddl> siretart: nope
[09:45] <siretart> Fuddl: it looks to me like the changesfile wasn't uploaded last. use dput to save headaches
[09:45] <chillywilly> hi
[09:45] <bipolar> ok. if anyone has time we need a sync on mysql-admin. 1.1.3 is out and it's the only version that I've found that works to add user permisisons without major bugs.
[09:45] <bipolar> btw... I HATE MS ACCESS.....
[09:46] <ivoks> no kidding? :)
[09:46] <Fuddl> siretart: checked the history in lftp, the command is correct, i didn't forget any files. and .dsc was the last file uploaded
[09:47] <Fuddl> siretart: btw, the file is still in incoming with the correct size
[09:48] <siretart> Fuddl: the CHANGES file needs to be uploaded last. not the dsc
[09:48] <Fuddl> oops
[09:48] <Fuddl> :)
[09:49] <siretart> Fuddl: USE DPUT!
[09:50] <siretart> Fuddl: no need to reupload. did fix the mess for you on tiber..
[09:51] <Fuddl> shall i cancel the upload?
[09:51] <siretart> yes
[09:51] <siretart> ah, you reuploaded. yes, you can cancel it
[09:51] <siretart> Fuddl: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=735
[09:52] <Fuddl> hm... linda/lintian weren't too noisy
[09:53] <siretart> linda is outdated on tiber. known issue.
[09:54] <siretart> Fuddl: nice cleanup on debian/changelog, btw
[09:54] <sistpoty> grrr... gpdf failed on amd64 :(
[09:54] <Fuddl> siretart: because it got quite long during the last 24 hours? :)
[09:54] <siretart> Fuddl: ;)
[09:55] <sistpoty> siretart: i updated linda last night...
[09:55] <siretart> Fuddl: just curious, why is the quake3-server available for sparc and powerpc, too but not the quake3 package itself?
[09:55] <sistpoty> siretart: maybe it needs an update debian-policy as well?
[09:56] <siretart> sistpoty: does it work? last time i tried it, it didn't. there where some python exceptions..
[09:56] <Fuddl> siretart: http://icculus.org/quake3/: "What works:  PowerPC, we think."
[09:56] <siretart> Fuddl: and the server?
[09:56] <siretart> Fuddl: did you try it on your sparc? ;)
[09:57] <sistpoty> siretart: erm... sorry, haven't checked :(
[09:57] <Fuddl> siretart: somebody should test it on such hardware. no opengl: no problems for the server :)
[09:57] <siretart> sistpoty: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=735 does not show any linda output. seems to work
[09:58] <siretart> Fuddl: I'm talking about the server
[09:58] <siretart> ah. sure
[09:59] <siretart> hm. there are some opengl capable macs. perhaps someone should try ;)
[10:00] <Fuddl> yes, that was my idea, too. first try, then give free for other architectures. finding out by bugreports maybe.... "not that cool" ;)
[10:01] <Fuddl> hm... let's see if one of the sunnys will boot. i'm curious myself :)
[10:02] <siretart> *g*
[10:02] <sistpoty> anyone with amd64 to fix gpdf for that? ;)
[10:03] <siretart> sistpoty: whats the matter with gpdf?
[10:03] <sistpoty> siretart: ftbfs on ia64 and amd64
[10:03] <sistpoty> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gpdf/2.10.0-0ubuntu3/gpdf_2.10.0-0ubuntu3_20051007-1938-amd64-failed.gz
[10:05] <tseng>    * Fix reading of AC adapter status from /proc/acpi to work with
[10:05] <tseng>      recent (post 2002) kernels.
[10:05] <tseng> funny
[10:06] <siretart> Fuddl: advocated (see comment)
[10:08] <Fuddl> go quake3, go! :)
[10:19] <siretart> Fuddl: if you find some other advocate, tell him to advocate http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=734 too!
[10:19] <siretart> (the -data package)
[10:21] <Fuddl> siretart: the question is where to find advocates! here?
[10:22] <sistpoty> Fuddl: I'd love to intensely test the package, but i'm no motu (yet) ;)
[10:22] <Fuddl> sistpoty: shame on you! :)
[10:22] <sistpoty> hehe
[10:22] <siretart> he is almost one :)
[10:23] <Fuddl> hm... but perhaps <talking louder>there are some others in here, interested in quake3 in breezy</talking louder> ;)
[10:25] <siretart> Fuddl: ppl here are busy with fixing malone bugs. we have order to not process NEW crack
[10:26] <siretart> sort of 'order'
[10:26] <sistpoty> siretart: actually there is a new target as well: UniverseFTBFS
[10:26] <siretart> ah
[10:26] <siretart> sistpoty: I think I have a fix for gpdf, just trying to build it
[10:26] <Fuddl> it was worth to give it a try... :)
[10:26] <sistpoty> siretart: cool, thx :)
[10:27] <sistpoty> siretart: not even warnings on i386-build... impossible for me ;)
[10:27] <sistpoty> at least no warnings where the errors are *G+
[10:27] <siretart> sistpoty: thats a clear programming error
[10:27] <siretart> sistpoty: you cannot assume that void* fits in an int
[10:28] <siretart> sistpoty: thats only valid on 32bit archs
[10:28] <sistpoty> yep
[10:28] <sistpoty> damn... atlas3 is building forever :(
[10:29] <siretart> sistpoty: how are the lists generated?
[10:29] <sistpoty> siretart: dholbach did these...
[10:29] <siretart> okay
[10:29] <Fuddl> ... and trying to fix the int<->*void stuff leads straight to hell...
[10:31] <siretart> Fuddl: sometime it is sufficient to make the temporary variable in that method to long
[10:31] <siretart> sometimes, I know
[10:32] <neighborlee> What is the preferred route to getting a .deb into universe ?
[10:32] <Fuddl> siretart: i thought of that "little" mistake in the cube/sauerbraten engine...
[10:32] <tseng> upload to revu
[10:32] <neighborlee> I was asked by our project head to get our packages into ubuntu thus..
[10:32] <neighborlee> tseng, hi there..may I ask where this revu is ?
[10:32] <ivoks> dholbach, dholbach... :)
[10:33] <tseng> its in the topic
[10:33] <neighborlee> tseng, I read howto's online but I must have missed this revu you speak of ;(
[10:33] <ivoks> dholbach: ping
[10:33] <dholbach> im on the phone
[10:33] <tseng> neighborlee:  /topic
[10:33] <neighborlee> checking
[10:33] <tseng> http://revu.tauware.de
[10:35] <neighborlee> tseng, is my login going to be my wiki username  or do I have to create a new one...
[10:35] <tseng> create
[10:35] <neighborlee> ok
[10:36] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[10:36] <neighborlee> yup thx
[10:40] <neighborlee> tseng, thank you for your assitance
[10:40] <tseng> np good luck
[10:40] <neighborlee> :)
[10:40] <tseng> what package are you working on btw
[10:44] <neighborlee> sorry was in annother channel
[10:44] <neighborlee> possible packages from : delta3d.org
[10:45] <neighborlee> we use it as our game engine thus
[10:45] <neighborlee> and I was asked if I"d try to get our packages into ubuntu
[10:45] <neighborlee> by one of the project leads behind the project
[10:46] <neighborlee> by one of the project leads
[10:46] <neighborlee> dain I need to eat something lol
[10:48] <neighborlee>  gotta reboot for new services..bbs
[11:05] <Fuddl> siretart: still there?
[11:09] <siretart> mom
[11:11] <Fuddl> siretart: while i was smoking... i... made a desicion... i'll do the games stuff if you still need me
[11:12] <dholbach> excellent! MOTUGames! :)
[11:12] <ivoks> omg zorp
[11:23] <Fuddl> bbl
[11:36] <siretart> yay. gpdf builds on amd64 now :)
[11:37] <siretart> uploaded. now for compiler stuff
[11:59] <siretart> fuddl: of course we need and want YOU! (wb, btw)
[11:59] <siretart> fuddl: it just that we are releasing in 1 week ;)


[14:27] <eliassoares> Is ppa.lauchpad.net down for you guys?
[14:28] <wgrant> See the topic. We're performing maintenance on it, will be back in a bit.
[14:28] <eliassoares> Thanks!
[14:28] <ahmed_> Hi guys, is launchpad ftp down right now?
[14:29] <eliassoares> Yes.
[14:29] <wgrant> See the topic. We're performing maintenance on ppa.launchpad.net, will be back in a bit.
[14:29] <ahmed_> phew, thought it was my connection
[14:29] <ahmed_> any ETA?
[14:30] <eliassoares> @wgrant, Thanks for your answer. Will be helpful if you can update on twitter @launchpadstatus
[14:30] <wgrant> eliassoares: It's there.
[14:30] <ahmed_> yeah it is, i figured since the site was up, uploads might have been too
[14:31] <eliassoares> 8 hours ago saying about "up to two hours" of maintenance.
[14:31] <ahmed_> ^
[14:31] <eliassoares> but, thanks. hope it's back soon
[14:39] <eliassoares> any mirrors for http://ppa.launchpad.net/ondrej/php/ubuntu ?
[16:12] <wgrant> Everything's back online now.
[16:57] <ahmed_> @wgrant u sure?
[16:57] <ahmed_> im getting connection refused
[17:30] <ahmed_> anyone? package uploads still offline?
[17:43] <GunnarHj> wgrant: At least PPA not back. I too get "connection refused", both with ftp and sftp.
[18:26] <GunnarHj> wgrant: Just uploaded to PPA successfully. Thanks for fixing it.
[18:29] <ahmed_> same