[18:33] <sbraz> ok so i fixed my issue with "rename2: renamed from eth0", it was caused by eth0 being in 70-persistent-net.rules, causing udev to rename eth0 to eth1 (via rename2), eth1 to eth2, etc.
[18:34] <sbraz> what i mean by "eth0 in persistent rules" was that another mac address was there, and i guess udev decided that there was a conflict with the current eth0 so it renamed all interfaces
[18:37] <sbraz> anyway, i still don't understand how, when predictable names are used (e.g. debian 11/12), i don't have an issue, because there is less than 100 ms between the last rename (kernel: ixgbe 0000:03:00.1 eno4: renamed from eth1) and the start of cloud-init-local.service
[18:38] <sbraz> am i just lucky that it doesn't fail? and the issue only occurs when there is a double rename (eth0 becomes rename2 and then becomes eth1)?
[18:40] <sbraz> and debian doesn't use systemd-udev-settle.service from what i see so it can't be because of it


[08:55] <antarus> ifupdown
[08:55] <antarus> is the worst program ever
[13:10] <soren> Which d-i component asks the question about whether I want to use the largest unpartitioned space, the whole disk, lvm or encrypted lvm?
[13:11] <soren> Oh, partman-base, perhaps? I was looking for just "partman" and came up empty.
[13:12] <soren> I guess I got confused by the template names all being just "partman/blah" rather than "partman-base".
[13:14] <antarus> soren: d-i confusing? shocked I tell you, shocked!
[13:17] <soren> antarus: Alas, I am only human. I should know better than to dive into things like d-i.
[20:27] <Blackyugin> Hi all,
[20:27] <Blackyugin> I try to add a step to Ubiquity.
[20:27] <Blackyugin> I create a simple interface, however, I get errors with the debuild -d and I don't understand.
[20:27] <Blackyugin> Thank you for your help.
[20:27] <Blackyugin> http://pastebin.com/5UqjfKZD


[02:07] <zul> hey
[02:11] <_ion> Hi
[07:49] <glick> hi
[07:53] <glick> hey is it hard to build the kernel in eclpise?
[07:53] <glick> eclipse?
[08:33] <glick> has anyone done any kernel dev with eclipse?
[08:59] <glick> damn, kernel development on my main machine is dangerous isnt it
[09:39] <superm1> BenC, did you get a chance to look over lirc patch i made this past week?
[09:41] <glick> hey im tryin to config a vanilla kernel
[09:41] <glick> its asking me at what physical address i want to load the kernel and i have no idea what i should put
[09:43] <crimsun> superm1: he's EDT, which is -0400 UTC. It's currently 3:43 AM.
[09:45] <superm1> crimsun, ah ok thx
[09:45] <superm1> crimsun, which reminds me - i should get to bed (i'm CDT :) )
[10:34] <glick> hey does anyone use eclipse for kernel dev?
[10:34] <fabbione> glick: please stop asking every hour.. people lives in different TimeZones and it can take over 24 hours to get an answer here
[10:35] <glick> fabbione, new people came in
[10:35] <glick> i thought they might know
[10:36] <crimsun> glick: well, the answer to your question is "yes". When I worked at IBM, quite a few people did (unsurprisingly). As for whether anyone present does, it's fairly unlikely.
[10:36] <fabbione> most of the kernel developers are in the US and won't be around for the next 5/6 hours
[10:37] <glick> you just use vim?
[10:39] <fabbione> i personally do yes
[10:40] <glick> but isnt that difficult if you need to cross check a symbol reference, or check the definition of a function or see what calls it?
[10:40] <crimsun> no, you can use ctags.
[10:40] <fabbione> matter of taste.. and i use grep...
[10:41] <fabbione> really.. developing is a matter of taste
[10:41] <fabbione> everybody has its own
[10:41] <fabbione> there is no standard
[10:41] <glick> so for someone new lookin to get grok the kernel should they look at vanilla or ubuntu kern?
[10:42] <fabbione> glick: it depends what you are going to do
[10:42] <fabbione> what do you plan to develop on the kernel?
[10:42] <glick> drivers mainly at this point
[10:42] <fabbione> new drivers or fixing bugs in existing ones?
[10:43] <glick> yeah both
[10:43] <fabbione> i would personally do it on vanilla because no matter how quickly we keep up with upstream, at some point in time our kernel is behind
[10:43] <fabbione> and driver interfaces might change in the meantime
[10:43] <fabbione> but nothing stops you to use both trees
[10:44] <fabbione> develop a fix in vanilla and push the patch to the ubuntu kernel
[10:44] <fabbione> it's fairly simple to do cherry picking with git
[10:44] <fabbione> anyway.. brb
[10:44] <glick> k
[11:06] <pkl_> glick: couple of answers....  The kernel physical location should be 0.  I personally use vim and grep.
[11:08] <pkl_> glick: unless you're working on drivers which Ubuntu has put into the driver (Ubuntu top-level directory), it doesn't really make much difference whether you're using the vanilla or Ubuntu version.  Ubuntu's kernel follows vanilla very closely.
[11:10] <maks_> pkl_ following closesly with a huge stack of patches on top
[11:10] <glick> pkl_, i thought < 16M was DMA pool?
[11:11] <crimsun> maks_: we don't touch the scheduler or the network stack, really, for starters.
[11:11] <crimsun> or the vm or many fses
[11:12] <pkl_> most of of Ubuntu's changes are in driver code.  Very little core code is touched.  Doesn't need to be, the core code is generally very stable and well written.  It is the drivers which are a mess, and need to be patched :)
[11:12] <maks_> plus adding oot mess :P
[11:18] <pkl_> glick: I should have asked which arch you're using :) PPC kernel physical address 0x0.  x86 phys address 0x00100000.
[11:19] <glick> x86
[11:20] <pkl_> I tend to use PPC (PowerPC) when talking about kernels internals.
[11:24] <pkl_> The x86 is the odd architecture, most architectures load at 0.    I'll see what else I've got to do on Tuesday.
[11:39] <fabbione> pkl_: just make sure you have 2 feisty machines uptodate.. no matter if they are desktop or server installs..
[11:39] <fabbione> then we figure it from there
[11:39] <fabbione> (better if they are in the same LAN/subnet)
[02:00] <shawarma> initramfs-tools is the kernel-team's "problem", no?
[02:04] <maks_> shawarma : yes
[02:04] <maks_> why what's up?
[02:06] <shawarma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/101844
[02:07] <shawarma> It's easily reproducable. With a Feisty userland, run an Edgy kernel, run "update-initramfs -u" twice, and that's the last time you'll ever boot with that kernel.
[02:08] <maks_> shawarma the bak file should only get updated if there is a boot inbetween
[02:09] <shawarma> maks_: eh? the bak file is created by update-initramfs.
[02:09] <maks_> yes but only once
[02:09] <shawarma> per run of update-initramfs, yes.
[02:09] <maks_> no
[02:10] <maks_> shawarma can you attach please an sh -x update-initramfs -u run
[02:10] <maks_> i have only debian boxes
[02:11] <shawarma> maks_: Why would it not be updated with each run of update-initramfs?
[02:12] <shawarma> maks_: I need a minute to fire up the machine again.
[02:12] <maks_> shawarma look into backup_booted_initramfs
[02:12] <maks_> if it does what you say there is a bug there
[02:13] <maks_> shawarma: no hurry, but interested :)
[02:15] <maks_> ah it does exchange it because you rebooted inbetween
[02:15] <maks_> but it shouldn't do it now if you execute it 2x in a row
[02:15] <maks_> please post also the second sh -x update-initramfs run
[02:16] <shawarma> maks_: What exactly should stop it?
[02:18] <maks_> it only mv ak overwrites the .bak if boot_initramfs is defined
[02:18] <maks_> did you look at backup_booted_initramfs()?
[02:19] <shawarma> briefly. I thought it ran backup_initramfs
[02:21] <maks_> you want to checkout the section below "# keep booted initramfs"
[02:22] <shawarma> maks_: The fact remains that I end up with a trunced initrd, and the attached fix fixes it.  My analysis of why it goes wrong may be off, though.
[02:22] <maks_> shawarma np, please provide the further output
[02:22] <shawarma> the output of the two runs are identical.
[02:22] <maks_> sh -x update-initramfs
[02:23] <maks_> upps of course with -u
[02:23] <shawarma> Sure
[02:23] <maks_> i'd really appreciate if you attached that to the bug report :)
[02:24] <shawarma> Will od.
[02:24] <shawarma> do, even.
[02:25] <shawarma> done.
[02:28] <maks_> shawarma hmm this is your hacked update-initramfs
[02:29] <shawarma> No
[02:30] <shawarma> oh, wait.
[02:30] <maks_> shawarma it's ok i ack your patch
[02:31] <shawarma> what the.. I dpkg -i the initramfs-tools in my apt cache and it's still my patched u-i..
[02:32] <maks_> adding it to the debian repo atm and i'll remind BenC when he is around
[02:32] <shawarma> Cool.
[02:32] <shawarma> thanks.
[02:33] <maks_> won't push it for etch updates as in debian nobody uses the minversion, so i never saw that
[02:33] <maks_> thank you
[02:33] <shawarma> Any time.
[02:34] <shawarma> How do you work around udev's dependencies without it?
[02:39] <shawarma> There. updated the bug with proper logs. Silly me.
[02:56] <maks_> shawarma: we had no "real" udev upgrade now as sarge relied still on the hotplug scripts and currently i manage that by depending on newer udev simply
[02:57] <maks_> (speaking for the debian side of udev upgrades)
[02:59] <maks_> shawarm: please next time fix your patch to run diff -pruN initramfs-tools-0.85eubuntu8 initramfs-tools-0.85eubuntu9, then it can be easier applied from topdir i-t and -p is cool for showing modified functions, just as quick hint :)
[03:00] <maks_> s/shawarm/shawarma/ uups ^^
[03:07] <Nafallo> debdiff ftw
[03:56] <shawarma> maks_: Er.. Ok. I've always just used debdiff. I'll keep it in mind.
[04:08] <zul> BenC: ping
[05:54] <BenC> zul: pong
[05:55] <maks_> BenC i guess you have followed aboves backlog related to LP: #101844
[05:55] <zul> BenC: I should have the openvz tonight
[05:56] <BenC> maks_: no
[05:56] <maks_> BenC: ok so in short i ack the patch in aboves report
[05:56] <maks_> added the code to debian repo
[05:58] <BenC> maks_: Ok, thanks
[06:17] <jammcq> hey guys, i'm trying to track down a performance issue with a thin client. I'd like to build a kernel without debugging to see if that has any effect.  I've built several kernels using the Ubuntu wiki page, and i've had great success.  But if I try setting 'CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=y' or '# CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is not set', I get an error after about 40 minutes saying:   "module has gone missing: dccp_probe"
[06:17] <jammcq> err, s/=y/=n/
[06:41] <zul> happy joy joy
[08:00] <mathrick> hi, why doesn't Feisty let me eject mounted CDs anymore? It was there in edgy, and disappeared in feisty
[08:00] <mathrick> AFAIK, it was some kind of kernel patch (not surprisingly), so whatever happened to that?
[08:28] <zul> BenC: ping is it ok if the openvz creates a linux-image.deb?
[09:28] <newz2000> I want to try and help get my bugs fixed, how do I test the -14 kernel?
[09:28] <newz2000> oh, there's a link to the wiki...
[09:30] <newz2000> ok, I give up... how do I try out the 2.6.20-14.22 kernel?
[09:31] <Nafallo> oh. kewl
[09:31] <Nafallo> 14 is out :-)
[09:31] <newz2000> Nafallo: do you know where those are stored?
[09:32] <Nafallo> oh, new ABI... so in the NEW-queue :-(
[09:33] <Nafallo> should be a way to find them on launchpad though :-)
[09:36] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/2.6.20-14.22
[09:37] <Nafallo> then click on the corresponding buildlog for your architecture
[09:38] <Nafallo> oh. still builds...
[09:39] <Nafallo> anyway, if it's finished you just click the resulting binary -)
[09:42] <maks_> how can i in list all initramfs-tools bug reports in launchpad?
[09:43] <Mithrandir> maks_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/
[09:44] <newz2000> I've got two outstanding problems I'm eager to help fix... both work in past kernels
[09:45] <maks_> Mithrandir thx
[09:45] <newz2000> no sound --> works fine when I boot into 2.6.17 and can't suspend --> works fine in 2.6.20-12
[09:46] <crimsun> "no sound" isn't quite helpful.
[09:46] <newz2000> I've got a bug report, looking for it now
[09:47] <newz2000> crimsun: #92171
[09:47] <crimsun> bug 92171
[09:47] <crimsun> oh, right, bot thing.
[09:47] <newz2000> crimsun: a moment ago I booted into 2.6.17-10 and the sound worked great
[09:48] <newz2000> now in 2.6.20 with every volume control full blast its a faint whisper
[09:48] <newz2000> alsamixer has a "master" volume control but I can't change it... it has no bar graph, and the numbers stay at 00
[09:48] <crimsun> yes, that's the ff10 change.
[09:49] <crimsun> I'll just revert it for Feisty, and we'll live with whatever breaks for the newer laptops.
[09:49] <crimsun> "it" -> addition of ALC66x/86xVD support, aka WildWets
[09:49] <crimsun> WildWest, even.
[09:50] <crimsun> the "no audio on resume" issue is known, and it won't be fixed for Feisty.
[09:51] <newz2000> I think with the most recent edgy kernel that went away for me
[09:51] <newz2000> crimsun: I don't suppose you're able to help at all with bug 96679 are you?
[09:51] <newz2000> acpi related
[09:51] <newz2000> it works great in -12, but not in -13
[09:52] <crimsun> newz2000: not my realm, sorry.
[09:52] <newz2000> ok. Is this the right place? Or does acpi stuff go to a different irc channel?
[09:52] <crimsun> this is the right place.
[09:54] <mjg59> So going back to -12 definitely results in it working?
[09:54] <newz2000> mjg59: yes, tested a few minutes ago
[09:55] <newz2000> in -11 I could only suspend once, after that shutting my laptop just locked the screen. But with -12 I could open and close as much as I wanted.
[09:55] <newz2000> -13 results in a hard lock when I shut the lid
[09:56] <newz2000> mjg59: if there's any info I can provide you, I have some time to test now
[09:56] <mjg59> Weird. Nothing in the changelog that looks even vaguely relevant.
[09:56] <mjg59> Can you try:
[09:56] <mjg59> Going to a console, becoming root, and doing echo -n mem >/sys/power/state
[09:57] <mjg59> And then letting me know what happens
[10:04] <newz2000> mjg59: running that command caused my computer to suspend immediately. When I resumed, the screen didn't come back on. However, it appears the computer did a graceful shutdown when I hit the power button.
[10:04] <newz2000> it sounded like my computer was working though
[10:05] <mjg59> Ok. So that makes it sound like the kernel isn't too much of a problem.
[10:05] <newz2000> do other things change when I boot into a different kernel with grub?
[10:05] <mjg59> So, next thing - can you edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[10:06] <mjg59> And change USE_DPMS to false
[10:06] <mjg59> Then edit /etc/acpi/sleep.sh
[10:06] <mjg59> And just above where it says DeviceConfig add a line saying
[10:06] <mjg59> set -x
[10:07] <mjg59> Then, again at a console as root, do /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force
[10:08] <newz2000> ok, here it goes
[10:13] <newz2000> mjg59: ok, that time the screen went to a blinking cursor in the top left, it never suspended. After a minute I hit Alt+F1 and got a console login. I hit Alt+F7 and then my computer appearded to freeze, I had to hold the power button in to shut down
[10:14] <mjg59> newz2000: Ok. Can you do that again, do the alt+f1 thing, do dmesg >~/dmesg.out, ps aux >~/ps.out, sync, reboot and then put those files up somewhere?
[10:14] <newz2000> sure
[10:15] <newz2000> what was the command I ran before?
[10:15] <newz2000> oh, found it
[10:15] <newz2000> brb
[10:17] <newz2000> mjg59: that time it worked fine
[10:18] <mjg59> newz2000: Ok. Repeat until it breaks :)
[10:18] <newz2000> ok
[10:22] <newz2000_> mjg59: ok, that time it broke.
[10:22] <mjg59> newz2000_: Excellent
[10:23] <newz2000_> Alt+F1 switched me to a console, but I couldn't log in. My keyboard only allowed Alt+F1-AltF7.
[10:23] <newz2000_> Alt+F7 again froze the computer and I could do nothing
[10:24] <mjg59> Ok. Edit /etc/acpi/suspend.d/75-console-switch.sh and comment out the "chvt 12" line
[10:24] <mjg59> You're triggering the suspend from the console, not X, right?
[10:24] <newz2000> no, I'm in x
[10:24] <newz2000> should I try it from a console before I do this?
[10:25] <mjg59> Yes, you have to do this from a console
[10:25] <mjg59> But make that change first
[10:25] <newz2000> ok
[10:25] <mjg59> Basically, I want to know what the last few lines of output are
[10:35] <newz2000> mjg59: ok, I thought I could tee the output of that, but apparently not...
[10:36] <newz2000> near the end I got two alsa errors (command not found) then the last thing was a for loop... I think it was refering to for SCRIPT
[10:36] <newz2000> amixer command not found twice
[10:37] <newz2000> (amixer errors were followed by the for loop)
[10:37] <newz2000> is that detailed enough? If not, I may be able to redirect stderr to stdout and try tee again
[10:39] <mjg59> Can you boot without the "quiet" option and try again?
[10:40] <mjg59> And also edit /etc/acpi/suspend.d/90-framebuffer-stop.sh and comment out everything in it
[10:40] <newz2000> yep
[10:41] <newz2000> finally, a graceful reboot. :-) brb.
[10:46] <newz2000> mjg59: ok, I'm back
[10:46] <mjg59> newz2000: Excellent
[10:53] <mjg59> newz2000: Had a chance to test that?
[10:53] <newz2000> mjg59: test what?
[10:53] <newz2000> what was I supposed to do after I rebooted? I must have missed an instruction
[10:53] <mjg59> 21:40 < mjg59> And also edit /etc/acpi/suspend.d/90-framebuffer-stop.sh and  comment out everything in it
[10:53] <newz2000> yes, I did that too
[10:54] <mjg59> Then, from a console, do /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force
[10:54] <newz2000> oh, ok. just a min, will try
[10:59] <newz2000> mjg59: got it. The last bits are:
[10:59] <newz2000> ++ . /etc/acpi/suspend.d/85-alsa-state.sh
[10:59] <newz2000> +++ '[' -x /etc/init.d/alsa-utils '] '
[10:59] <newz2000> +++ /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop
[10:59] <newz2000>  * Shutting down ALSA...                                                        amixer: Invalid command!
[10:59] <newz2000> amixer: Invalid command!
[10:59] <newz2000>                                                                          [ OK ]
[10:59] <newz2000> ++ for SCRIPT in '/etc/acpi/suspend.d/*.sh'
[11:00] <newz2000> ++ . /etc/acpi/suspend.d/90-framebuffer-stop.sh
[11:00] <newz2000> + '[' x = xtrue '] '
[11:00] <newz2000> + echo -n mem
[11:00] <mjg59> And then it hangs?
[11:00] <newz2000> yes
[11:01] <newz2000> I can still Alt+F? but thats it
[11:01] <mjg59> Ok. Now you get to go through each of the files in /etc/acpi/suspend.d and see which of them is breaking it...
[11:01] <newz2000> and if I hit Alt+F7 I'm really stuck
[11:01] <newz2000> :-)
[11:01] <newz2000> so for each, should I just put a little echo statement to differentiate them? See which one is last
[11:02] <mjg59> No, they're all running
[11:02] <mjg59> Disable each of them in turn
[11:03] <newz2000> whats the best way to disable, rename to *.sh~ or comment out the lines or something else?
[11:03] <mjg59> Yeah, change the name so they don't end in .sh
[11:03] <newz2000> ok
[11:06] <newz2000> ok, trying again, brb I think. :-)
[11:11] <newz2000> mjg59: that was easy... with all disabled, it still freezes. Just much sooner this time.
[11:11] <mjg59> newz2000: But echo -n mem >/sys/power/state always works?
[11:12] <newz2000> well, we tried it that one time adn it went ok (except I couldn't resume)
[11:12] <mjg59> Yes
[11:12] <mjg59> At this point, that should be basically all that the script is doing
[11:12] <mjg59> Can you try it a few more times?
[11:13] <newz2000> try echo -n mem >/sys/power/stat
[11:13] <newz2000> ?
[11:15] <newz2000> mjg59: btw, here's the output of /etc/acpi/sleep.sh force  http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/sleep.txt (with a.. .sh disabled)
[11:15] <newz2000> trying echo -n...
[11:17] <mjg59> newz2000: Looks like it's doing pretty much nothing other than the echo
[11:20] <newz2000> mjg59: ok, echo -n mem didn't work... I got stuck at the console again with only Alt+F? working
[11:25] <mjg59> Ok. So it's the kernel.
[11:25] <mjg59> When you get to that point, can you do alt+sysrq+t and see what shows up?
[11:26] <newz2000> sure, never done that before
[11:39] <newz2000> mjg59: sorry for delay, fsck had to run. Alt +SysReq + t didn't show anything
[11:44] <mjg59> Hm. Ok, all I can suggest is trying -14 when it hits the archive
[11:45] <newz2000> ok. mjg59 any idea when thats coming?
[11:48] <mjg59> Next few hours
[11:48] <mjg59> It's uploaded, just needs to finish building and get through NEW
[11:48] <newz2000> cool, that gives me something to look forward to
[11:48] <newz2000> Guess I'll undo all our changes then


[04:49] <kbmonkey> morning
[04:59] <theblazehen> morning kbmonkey
[05:04] <kbmonkey> hallo 0/
[05:04] <Kilos> morning kbmonkey and others
[05:05] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos and theblazehen
[05:06] <Kilos> kbmonkey, get your things in order for mondays meeting hey!
[05:08] <kbmonkey> yes
[05:09] <Kilos> looks like it will be a short one again
[05:09] <kbmonkey> such is life Kilos
[05:10] <Kilos> yeah
[05:11] <kbmonkey> sigh
[05:11] <Kilos> what
[05:11] <kbmonkey> *steals kilos line*
[05:11] <Kilos> huh?
[05:11] <Kilos> dont steal its free
[05:14] <kbmonkey> sure thing Kilos (y)
[05:14] <Kilos> hehe
[05:14] <Kilos> what you been drinking?
[05:14] <Kilos> or smoking
[05:14] <kbmonkey> water and tea man
[05:15] <Kilos> hehe
[05:15] <Kilos> rooibos
[05:21] <kbmonkey> ja maybe I need something stronger
[05:24] <Kilos> hey what do peeps do with the new mobos? they got no pci sockets
[05:25] <Kilos> so apart from speed whats the advantage
[05:28] <kbmonkey> what new mobos?
[05:28] <kbmonkey> its agp now pci no more?
[05:28] <Kilos> i saw one somewhere yesterday. ill let you know if i find it
[05:29] <Kilos> where do you plug in sound cards and wireless cards and so on
[05:29] <kbmonkey> is it a large mobo or tiny?
[05:30] <Kilos> looed large i think
[05:30] <Kilos> looked
[05:30] <kbmonkey> sound and wireless must be built in then
[05:31] <kbmonkey> otherwise if its a server board it wont need sound or wireless
[05:31] <kbmonkey> must be for special uses
[05:32] <Kilos> http://www.foxconnchannel.com/ProductDetail.aspx?T=motherboard&U=en-us0000568
[05:33] <Kilos> 8 usb ports, maybe they using usb for everything
[05:36] <kbmonkey> it has a lan, vga and hdmi out
[05:36] <kbmonkey> one pci v3 slot
[05:38] <kbmonkey> correction, it has 2 pci slots: standard and 2.0
[05:38] <kbmonkey> see the specs section. that overview is useless
[05:38] <Kilos> where ? i dont see them there
[05:39] <kbmonkey> read the specs sheet Kilos
[05:39] <Kilos> the long yellow slot is for graphics i take it
[05:42] <Squirm> morning
[05:42] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[05:42] <Kilos> oh my if you hover mouse over the picture it enlarges
[05:43] <Kilos> wow that be cool
[05:46] <Kilos> haha they say thats a good mobo for peeps with a budget
[05:46] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[05:47] <bduk1> Morning Kilos and everyone
[05:55] <Kilos> the killer is the cpu prices
[05:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:08] <kbmonkey> ja Kilos the spec sheet sas different things that the picture. so who knows what to trust anymore?
[06:10] <Kilos> hehe
[06:14] <kbmonkey> well I go now
[06:14] <Kilos> have a good day laddy
[06:15] <kbmonkey> you too meneer!
[06:15] <Kilos> danke
[06:15] <kbmonkey> I will try sneak into irc during the day if I kan
[06:15] <Kilos> cool
[06:25] <Kilos> morning superfly
[06:27] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:37] <superfly> morning theblazehen
[06:37] <superfly> ag, I mean ThatGraemeGuy
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ello
[06:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:40] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: you know the devices we make?
[06:40] <superfly> (at work)
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[06:41] <superfly> So, funny production bug at the moment... in order to get the true data usage we do a USSD request and then send the result of that back to the server
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> k
[06:41] <superfly> but recently Vodacom started sending SMSes back after the USSD request
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh
[06:42] <superfly> in apparently unrelated news, if you send an SMS to the device, it reboots
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh noes!
[06:42] <superfly> (weird bug, fixed already)
[06:42] <superfly> and as soon as the device starts up, it queries for its balance
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> loopy de loop
[06:43] <superfly> so you get start up -> query -> sms -> reboot -> start up -> ...
[06:43] <superfly> yup!
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice one
[06:43] <Kilos> ouch
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> better you than me :)
[06:43] <superfly> hehehe
[06:43] <superfly> we have a way around that fortunately
[06:43] <superfly> but it's an amusing scenario
[06:43] <superfly> at least now we know what's causing it
[06:43] <superfly> we didn't for a week or so
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh wow
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> so for a week people couldn't sell vouchers?
[06:45] <superfly> some people, not everyone it seems.
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> across the board, or limited
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> still, wow
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> stressful week then :0
[06:46] <superfly> nah, not really
[06:49] <superfly> Oh, and the way to "fix" it for the moment (until we roll out the new code)? Send it an SMS.
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> uuuhhh....
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i'm definitely missing something, elaborate...
[06:50] <superfly> I can't say that my work here is ever dull :-D
[06:50] <superfly> we can send a couple of commands to the device via SMS as well, so we can stop it from requesting the airtime balance using an SMS command
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh right
[07:19] <nlsthzn> Goeie more Suid Afrika
[07:35] <nlsthzn> slaap almal alweer?
[07:36] <Kilos> morning nlsthzn sorry was outsidew
[07:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[07:36] <Kilos> outside as well
[07:36] <nlsthzn> all well uncle Kilos ?
[07:36] <nlsthzn> my daughter coming to SA middle of Dec... will make sure she brings the hardware along
[07:36] <Kilos> yes ty , very lekker. package just arrived from omega in durbs
[07:37] <Kilos> lovely lovely ty nlsthzn
[07:37] <nlsthzn> awesome
[07:37] <Kilos> got some sticks and a wireless card and psu
[07:37] <nlsthzn> cool...
[07:37] <nlsthzn> well I am sending mobo/cpu/ram
[07:38] <Kilos> now need to make up an external wifi antenna and search for wifi
[07:38] <Kilos> ty very muchness
[07:40] <Kilos> im gonna be so happy with a fast pc
[07:43] <Kilos> green power 500w psu
[07:43] <Kilos> hope it dont stain my pc
[07:57]  * Kilos goes off to install wireless adapter. wbb, hold them thumbs
[08:38] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:38] <Kilos> even a wireless adapter comes with an install cd
[08:38] <Kilos> guess for what os
[08:42] <Vince-0> M$WINBLOW$
[08:43] <Kilos> hehe
[08:49] <nlsthzn> but once you have the drivers and you install it your hardware will work
[09:08] <Kilos> wb Vince-0
[09:08] <Kilos> ping got you
[09:16] <charl> good morning
[09:16] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:16]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:17] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:17] <charl> hi Kilos
[09:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:21] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:21] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:30] <charl> wb theblazehen
[09:31] <charl> theblazehen: what ever happened to that richard stallman video?
[09:33] <Kilos> ask Vince-0
[09:47] <Vince-0> ey!
[09:47] <Vince-0> It has not been released from UKZN - paperwork
[09:48] <Vince-0> bit of a joke really
[09:50] <Kilos> wow do sticks come out with installable stuff for win now
[09:50] <Kilos> adata.exe and adata_chrome.exe
[10:04] <charl> hi Vince-0
[10:05] <charl> Vince-0: wow seriously?! oh my goodness
[10:34] <Vince-0> charl, yep, I will check again with them
[10:34] <Vince-0> apparently the file size is like 20GB as well
[10:34] <Vince-0> so that's going to be one long upload
[10:34] <Kilos> ouch
[10:46] <charl> Vince-0: sounds like a nice high-quality 1080p recording :) out of interest, which format? ogg vorbis? and where are you planning on mirroring it?
[10:46] <charl> bittorrent would be ideal for distributing a file like that
[11:14] <charl> theblazehen's connection is on the fritz
[11:34] <charl> Maaz: seen darksurferza
[11:34] <Maaz> charl: darksurferza was last seen 1 day, 1 hour, 58 minutes and 51 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-11-21 11:35:13 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-11-21 11:39:37 SAST
[11:35] <charl> Maaz: tell darksurferza https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7598531
[11:35] <Maaz> charl: Righto, I'll tell darksurferza on freenode
[11:44] <Vince-0> charl, it will be in ogg vorbis and most likely hosted on archive.org depending on their size restrictions
[12:00] <inetpro> good afternoon
[12:03] <Vince-0> !
[12:03] <theblazemobile> ?
[12:05] <theblazemobile> Stuck at school :/
[12:23] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[12:23] <theblazemobile> Hi Kilos inetpro
[12:23] <Kilos> stuck in what way theblazehen
[12:23] <Kilos> theblazemobile, rather
[12:23] <theblazemobile> Dont have a ride home until 3
[12:24] <Kilos> aw sorry man
[12:24] <theblazemobile> Exam finished at 11
[12:24] <Kilos> ouch
[12:25] <theblazemobile> Yep :/ and got nothing to study either
[12:28] <inetpro> hi Kilos, theblazemobile
[12:30] <inetpro> theblazemobile: only 30 minutes to go
[12:30] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[12:30]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[12:30] <theblazemobile> inetpro yeah.
[12:31] <inetpro> what did you write today?
[12:32] <theblazemobile> Biology
[12:32] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[12:33] <Kilos> wats nuus inetpro ?
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> tx
[12:33] <inetpro> Kilos: nuus, wat is dit?
[12:33] <inetpro> theblazemobile: how did it go?
[12:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:34] <theblazemobile> Inetpro: went well :)
[12:34] <Kilos> good
[12:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[12:34] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[12:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[12:34] <Kilos> aw i forgot
[12:34] <Kilos> Maaz, `wheres mine
[12:34] <Maaz> Kilos: *blink*
[12:34] <Kilos> twit bot
[12:35] <Kilos> inetpro, did you see?
[12:35] <Kilos> Maaz, forecast pretoria
[12:35] <Maaz> Kilos: Thursday: Overcast. High: 28° C., Thursday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 15° C., Friday: Chance of Rain. High: 27° C., Friday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 15° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 32° C., Saturday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 31° C., Sunday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 15° C., Monday:
[12:35] <Maaz> Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 29° C., Monday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 17°…
[12:35] <inetpro> Kilos: what happened?
[12:35] <Kilos> different command
[12:35] <Kilos> old way still burps
[12:40] <inetpro> oh clever Kilos, how did you find out?
[12:40] <charl> hi inetpro
[12:40] <charl> long time no speak to
[12:40] <Kilos> georgl, use it for spotty on my channel
[12:42] <inetpro> hi charl
[12:42] <inetpro> charl: too much to do, too little time
[12:46] <Kilos> wbb
[12:50] <charl> inetpro: lol
[13:05]  * Squirm looks around
[13:06] <Kilos> yo Squirm
[13:07] <charl> hi Squirm
[13:28] <charl> whow! bittorrent is amazing!
[13:29] <charl> i just downloaded linux mint 16 (cinnamon iso and mate iso) at half a gigabit per second with rtorrent (according to bwm-ng)
[13:29] <Kilos> wow
[13:29] <charl> this is what i'm talking about! no way i could get that via http/ftp
[13:32] <Vince-0> I know what you are talking about
[13:32] <Kilos> ok somewhere im missing the plot. i want to install ubuntu onto a flash drive but dont get option to install from the dvd
[13:33] <charl> the installer doesn't see the flash drive?
[13:33] <Kilos> i dont just want a startup disk to install from, i want ubuntu installed on the stick
[13:34] <charl> never tried it myself to be honest
[13:34] <Kilos> ya it shows the stick in the launcher but i dont see the install goodie
[13:39] <charl> in principle it should just see it as a hard drive
[13:40] <charl> but in practice i don't really know how it works
[13:40] <charl> you can install and run grub from a flash drive too
[13:40] <charl> so i see no reason it shouldn't just install as normal
[13:40] <charl> as long as it correctly sets up and configures grub on the flash drive
[13:41] <charl> but it's all supported i think
[13:41] <Kilos> yeah driving me nuts. i only have the stick connected otherwise the dvd offers to install to a hdd
[13:41] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:42] <Kilos> lemme fiddle more
[13:44] <Kilos> i dont want a live usb to install with, i want to use the stick as my drive
[13:44] <charl> have any of you guys used jitsi? it's extremely slow for me
[13:56] <charl> mint cinnamon runs terribly slow inside vmware - seems to be related to the graphic effects
[13:56] <charl> ubuntu 13.10 (unity) also runs absolutely terrible
[14:11] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:11] <Kilos> kde 12.04 is installing. wonder what is different
[14:16] <Kilos> hi adeebnqo you just disappeared last night
[14:17] <Kilos> ok bye
[14:17] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[14:18] <charl> hi psychicist
[14:18] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[14:18] <psychicist> hi charl
[14:18] <psychicist> on the bus to Prague :D
[14:18] <charl> oh nice, the bus has wifi?
[14:18] <charl> or you got your own 3g/4g thing
[14:18] <psychicist> yeah
[14:18] <psychicist> no
[14:18] <Kilos> come charl tell me why 12.04 installs but unity dont even give the option
[14:19] <psychicist> there is free wifi on the bus
[14:19] <charl> Kilos: option for what?
[14:19] <charl> psychicist: very cool!
[14:19] <Kilos> wow wifi on a bus
[14:19] <Kilos> to install charl
[14:19] <charl> psychicist: i had that once in the usa too when we were in oregon for oscon
[14:20] <psychicist> charl, Megabus?
[14:20] <psychicist> the company that has it here is called Polskibus, but it has the same owner
[14:20] <charl> psychicist: we were on our way to oregon state university for a tour of the open source lab
[14:20] <psychicist> btw, you should check it out
[14:20] <charl> no idea, can't remember...
[14:20] <psychicist> you can travel from Amsterdam to Paris for €15 with Megabus
[14:21] <psychicist> or for a little more to many places in the UK
[14:21] <charl> oh i must bookmark this
[14:21] <charl> i want to go to paris next year
[14:21] <charl> also to valencia they have this amazing museum there
[14:22] <psychicist> yes
[14:22] <psychicist> and in Germany you can use Meinfernbus
[14:22] <psychicist> much cheaper than trains
[14:25] <Kilos> theblazehen, you home yet?
[14:26] <Kilos> inetpro, lyk of die weer weer kom
[14:26] <Kilos> sal gou gaan beloer
[14:36] <charl> yeah but trains are nice and fast :P
[14:36] <charl> and comfortable
[14:36] <charl> the bus is the suck
[14:38] <charl> mint mate is fast inside vmware - most definitely related to cinnamon
[14:42] <charl> why on earth does ubuntu default to yahoo search, are they nuts
[14:42] <charl> mint, i mean
[14:50] <Kilos> tell them
[15:25] <kbmonkey> greetings 0/
[15:26] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey wb
[15:30] <kbmonkey> how goes it in the cyberspace?
[15:30] <Kilos> no man we earth bound
[15:33] <kbmonkey> bound I agree with but earth I am not sure about!
[15:38] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Kilos> when nm says wifi connected is it connected to somewhere else or just to the wifi adapter
[15:41] <Kilos> and if to somewhere else how do i find to where
[15:45] <kbmonkey> it means it connected to a wifi hotspot
[15:45] <kbmonkey> maybe your router
[15:46] <Kilos> nope router off
[15:46] <Kilos> can one use tracepath or something
[15:47] <kbmonkey> the tray icon says nothing?
[15:47] <Kilos> in nm?
[15:47] <Kilos> only shows the option to disconnect
[15:48] <Kilos> ohi Trixar_za
[15:48] <Kilos> you well?
[15:49] <kbmonkey> Run nm-tool | grep \*. That should show just the line with the SSID you are connected to.
[15:49] <Kilos> ty
[15:49] <kbmonkey> also, run "iwconfig"
[15:49] <kbmonkey> that also shows the name of the network you are conneccted to :]
[15:50] <Kilos>  *myfi:           Ad-Hoc, 9E:07:DA:C6:79:C4, Freq 2412 MHz, Rate 0 Mb/s, Strength 100 WEP
[15:50] <Kilos>  Wireless Access Points (* = current AP)
[15:51] <Kilos> whatever does that mean
[15:51] <kbmonkey> iwconfig | grep wlan0
[15:51] <kbmonkey> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"rubber-chicken
[15:51] <kbmonkey> ^ thats mine
[15:52] <kbmonkey> ESSID is the name you looking for
[15:52] <kbmonkey> it is an ad-hoc network, did you create a network?
[15:53] <Kilos> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bgn  ESSID:"myfi"
[15:53] <Kilos> myfi is the name of my adapter
[15:54] <Kilos> or my network i created
[15:55] <Kilos> so to me it looks like nm is connect to the adapter not outside
[15:55] <Kilos> right or wrong
[15:55] <Kilos> ?
[15:56] <kbmonkey> its connected to your mifi
[15:56] <kbmonkey> but its off?
[15:58] <Kilos> how you see that?
[15:59] <Kilos> looks same as yours so how can you say its off
[15:59] <Kilos> nm shows the disconnect button
[16:07] <kbmonkey> gee I don't know Kilos - iwconfig says its connected to mifi so it must be.
[16:07] <kbmonkey> one clue is that it says "ad hoc", which it should not say for normal networks
[16:07] <Kilos> ya but myfi is me
[16:08] <kbmonkey> which means you or someone else created a network on your pc
[16:08] <Kilos> oh
[16:08] <Kilos> must i make that dhcp?
[16:08] <kbmonkey> and called it mifi, and it is not actually the mifi device
[16:08] <Kilos> man myfi not mifi
[16:08] <kbmonkey> is that what you use to go online?
[16:09] <Kilos> online to where?
[16:09] <Kilos> only plugged the adapter in today
[16:09] <Kilos> never had wifi before
[16:09] <Kilos> used eth to router
[16:10] <kbmonkey> ah, I understand what you say. a usb adapter?
[16:10] <Kilos> maybe there isnt any wifi close enough
[16:10] <Kilos> no pci card
[16:10] <kbmonkey> online to irc of course ;)
[16:11] <kbmonkey> to the cyber space
[16:11] <kbmonkey> to the series of tubes
[16:11] <Kilos> man thats with 8ta
[16:12] <kbmonkey> oh noes, so many devices!
[16:12] <kbmonkey> it is an orgy of electronics in your house Kilos
[16:14] <Kilos> lol you must see it
[16:14] <Kilos> 2 drives running outside from separate psu
[16:15] <Kilos> actually 3 outside and one inside on pcs power
[16:15] <Kilos> but everything works
[16:16] <Kilos> outside is maverick and 12.04 unity and 80g scrap drive thats become storage and inside is 12.04 kde
[16:16] <Kilos> cant put the cover on anymore
[16:17] <Kilos> hehe
[16:18] <Kilos> but around christmas time things will change
[16:18] <Kilos> neelsie is sending me a mobo with ram and cpu
[16:19] <Kilos> first quads
[16:19] <Kilos> i3 i think they were
[16:19] <kbmonkey> wow that is very nice!
[16:20] <kbmonkey> how is your hard drives doing, okay?
[16:20] <Kilos> yeah all working
[16:21] <Kilos> some with 10g win installed first to use up the bad sectors
[16:21] <Kilos> oh i wanna mail you something
[16:22] <kbmonkey> oh? I am curious now!
[16:24] <Kilos> whew fat one
[16:26] <kbmonkey> is that for xmas Kilos ?
[16:26] <Kilos> hehe
[16:27] <Kilos> anytime
[16:27] <kbmonkey> hehe, okay :)
[16:29] <Kilos> also got sent a mail today about using lemon to kill cancer instead of chemo
[16:30] <Kilos> would like to share it with everyone
[16:30] <Kilos> lotsa cancer peeps out there
[16:37] <kbmonkey> ah thanks!
[16:37] <kbmonkey> got disconnected there.
[16:37] <kbmonkey> mifi ran out of battery
[16:37] <Kilos> ai!
[16:37] <kbmonkey> moved it to the other side of house with power, but now on slow 1g LOL
[16:37] <Kilos> thats why pci adapter is better
[16:38] <Kilos> all these plugin charger things are a pain
[16:38] <kbmonkey> ja!
[16:46] <kbmonkey> thanks Kilos I got the email!
[16:46] <Kilos> good
[18:15] <Kilos> hmm... noisy bunch
[18:29] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow