[00:37] <studio-user686> hello, chat in italy?
[00:38] <Unit193> !it
[00:38] <studio-user686> thx
[00:39] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[00:41] <studio-user686> The Italian chat never answers anyone, I write haha here
[00:44] <studio-user686> Ubuntustudio installation stays on the "apt install" screen
[00:45] <studio-user686> unit196, are online?
[00:50] <admin-HK> Hi
[00:50] <studio-user686> admin-hk, Hi
[00:51] <admin-HK> i have a problem with installation
[00:51] <admin-HK> you*
[00:51] <studio-user686> Yeah
[00:52] <studio-user686> Ubuntustudio installation stays on the "apt install" screen
[00:52] <admin-HK> Mh
[00:52] <admin-HK> Try with re install ubuntu
[00:52] <Unit193> studio-user686: Yes I am still.  And that doesn't really tell me a lot.  It may be easier to wait for an answer (presuming you asked a question) in #ubuntu-it as they'll understand you better.  Also, there's no need to sockpuppet with admin-HK.
[00:54] <studio-user686> Admin HK and another person always in my palace, we nest all the same network
[00:55] <studio-user686> However, nobody answers in the Italian chat
[00:58] <admin-HK> Studio-user, however for these issues you might also go in the direction and ask an expert hahahah
[00:59] <studio-user686> I'm lazy :(
[01:02] <studio-user686> noo admin-hk ;(
[01:02] <Unit193> Since the installer doesn't have much UbuntuStudio specific, you could in fact ask #ubuntu.
[01:02] <studio-user686> someone? online?
[01:28] <Guest49718> Hi, help me?
[01:30] <krytarik> With what?
[01:30] <Guest49718> My problem and i do not know the reason .. the installation crashes on "apt configuration"
[01:31] <Guest49718> It stops there
[01:32] <Guest49718> are dead
[01:32] <Guest49718> '?
[01:36] <Wanna-cry> Mh
[01:37] <Wanna-cry> KICK Unit193
[01:37] <Wanna-cry> MHH
[01:37] <krytarik> Wanna-cry: Bye.
[01:38] <Wanna-cry> :(
[01:38] <Wanna-cry> Plz 2 m
[01:38] <Wanna-cry> haahahaha
[01:38] <krytarik> Guest49718: Any details and error messages would be needed to help you.
[01:40] <Wanna-cry> Give me administration credential :)
[01:40] <Wanna-cry> https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=traduttore&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#channel=fs&q=wanna+cry
[01:41] <Wanna-cry> why time out at guest49718
[01:41] <Wanna-cry> ?
[01:45] <Unit193> Wanna-cry: If you're not going to help us help you, and just going to say silly things, this is not the place for that.
[01:46] <Wanna-cry> But I'm here to inject a virus called wanna cry :(
[01:47] <krytarik> You fail. :(
[01:47] <Unit193> Which is a Windows virus, and the focus of this channel is Linux.  Also that's not polite.
[01:52] <Wanna-cry> But I'm here to inject a virus called wanna cry
[02:01] <Wanna-cry> Unit193: i have create version for ubuntu.. i want you to be the frist guinea pigs
[02:02] <Unit193> Sure you did, bud.
[02:03] <krytarik> Which is off topic here, too.
[02:03] <Wanna-cry> AAHHG i'm scared
[02:04] <Wanna-cry> Which is off topic here, too.
[02:04] <krytarik> Ah, so you are used to that.
[02:06] <Wanna-cry> You're testing for a business, if your PC crashes, it's still a hahahah moment
[02:07] <krytarik> lol
[02:07] <Wanna-cry> No one can bargain, there is but I have 500 proxy hahahaha
[02:09] <krytarik> I see.
[02:10] <Wanna-cry> wait please, i loading..
[02:10] <Wanna-cry> ASII text is been loaded
[02:10] <Wanna-cry> â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ
[02:10] <Wanna-cry> â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆ â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ•‘â•‘â•‘â•‘â–ˆâ–ˆâ”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â”€â–ˆâ–ˆâ
[02:13] <Wanna-cry2> Helloooo
[02:13] <Wanna-cry2> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$_$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$_$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$__$$$$$$$$$$$$$$_$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$_______________$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$___________________$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$____$$$_________$$$____$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$_____$$$_________$$$_____$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$_______
[02:22] <studio-user761> Hi
[02:23] <studio-user761><PHONE_NUMBER>11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111<PHONE_NUMBER>11111111111111111111111Â¶Â¶Â¶111111111111111111111<PHONE_NUMBER>11111111111111111111Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶11111111111111111111111<PHONE_NUMBER>111111111111111111Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶1111111111111111111111111<PHONE_NUMBER>1111111111111111Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶1111111111111111111111111<PHONE_NUMBER>11111111111111Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶1111Â¶Â¶Â¶11Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶111<PHONE_NUMBER>11111Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â¶Â
[02:26] <krytarik> studio-user761: This is not the way to solve issues with your installation, btw.


[14:20] <mathomastech> tonyyarusso: Sure, i'd be up for helping organize things. I am moving to the Northfield area in October and work up in the cities. I'd be available to organize any events that take place between the cities and Rochester. That covers a decent part of southeast Minnesota.


[03:55] <sarnold> rbasak,teward, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1262710/comments/6 -- I sure hope "please add a new binary package" isn't too large a hurdle for nginx. the core code looked really good.
[04:35] <teward> sarnold, the source of the problems will be the large number of users who have come to rely on the non-core modules.
[04:35] <teward> sarnold, that, and you're basically asking for a duplicate of upstream's repository
[04:35] <teward> which is broken at that
[04:35] <teward> s/broken/in violation of many policies/
[04:36] <sarnold> teward: those users can continue to rely upon the universe-supported package
[04:36] <sarnold> teward: I'd be content to support nginx-tiny if it dropped 'echo' -- if that's the easiest way to get nginx in main, that's fine by me.
[04:37] <teward> sarnold, as an aside, "those users" consists of a very large portion of the userbase of the debian packages, by my observations.
[04:37] <sarnold> teward: that's fine :)
[04:37] <sarnold> teward: they all use universe packages now..
[04:38] <sarnold> teward: .. and they can continue to use universe packages if they wish.
[04:38] <sarnold> teward: but we need some clear demarcation between what we can and can't support, and whatever we -can- support should go into 'main'.
[04:38]  * teward yawns
[04:40] <teward> sarnold, agreed, but i'm already imagining there being people being... I think the correct wording is "extremely displeased to an uncivil degree" if we drop, and Debian already has a... "poor view" of Ubuntu's support for nginx as it is.
[04:40] <teward> earliest i'd be starting to work on this is... what, saturday, I think...?
[04:40] <teward> i'm kinda busy with the new job so meh
[04:40] <sarnold> teward: I'm not saying -drop- the package -- I just want one new binary package with nothing but upstream nginx code. :)
[04:40] <teward> speaking of which, i need to get some sleep...
[04:41] <sarnold> teward: oh cool! congratulations :)
[04:41] <sarnold> teward: good night :)
[04:41]  * sarnold -> dinner
[04:42] <teward> sarnold, when you return, poke around at the nginx.org debian repository and look there.  that's upstream-only code, but that package breaks policies and user-friendliness
[04:42] <teward> sarnold, if the code base there is more to your liking I can *try* and replicate the admin-friendliness of nginx that the Debian packages have in a separate binary
[04:42] <sarnold> teward: ahhhhhh I think this might explain some of the disconnect...
[04:43] <sarnold> teward: I just hope that we can add a new paragraph to debian/control for a new nginx-upstream package, add a new debian/nginx-upstream.install file with a few paths, and get this thing done right quick :)
[04:43] <sarnold> I'm hoping the debdiff is ~75 lines, tops.
[04:43] <teward> probably gonna be higher than that
[04:44] <sarnold> probably, I'm always too optimistic :)
[04:44] <sarnold> teward: anywa, you need sleep ad I need food. :) have fun at the new job!
[04:44] <teward> sarnold, you're probably looking at the entire debian/ folder, butchered up from Debian, minus the third-party modules, plus the Ubuntu specific branding, and me slicing and dicing the debdiffs around to get something functional
[04:44] <teward> but by that point even I wouldn't run that :P
[04:44] <teward> not without MASSIVE amounts of testing
[04:44] <sarnold> haha
[04:44]  * teward volunteers YOU to run the testing :P
[04:45] <sarnold> oh believe me, we'll need some test cases. i'm sure I'll be writing plenty of tests.
[04:45] <sarnold> supporting this thing for five years ain't going to come cheap :)
[04:45] <teward> bleh, i've got enough crap with high-level sec reviews of 20 or so system updates for the *shudders* windows systems at work
[04:45]  * teward shivers
[04:45] <sarnold> teward: ugh. my condolances.
[04:46] <teward> sarnold, FORTUNATELY i only have to deal with the dell deployment appliance.  it's still windows though, so eurgh
[04:46] <teward> ANYWAYS
[04:46] <teward> good night
[04:46] <sarnold> eurgh indeed :)
[04:46] <sarnold> goodnight, thanks!
[04:46] <teward> sarnold, and forgive me if, say, i start condemning you over the next few days as i butcher down debian's debian/ directory a bit... that's no small feat.
[04:47] <teward> (and it's necessary to maintain the sites-available / sites-enabled admin friendliness that already exists in universe)
[05:08] <infinity> teward: What would be wrong with just dropping 'echo' from nginx-light and calling it done?  Or is that somehow required to make the other bits work?
[05:20] <pitti> Good morning
[07:10] <pitti> shadeslayer, Riddell, apachelogger, debfx_: just to triple-check, Kubuntu is not using jockey any more, but u-d-common, right?
[07:10] <pitti> I'm going to remove jockey from trusty
[07:11] <pitti> Task: kubuntu-active
[07:11] <pitti> is that still relevant?
[07:49] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <cff> Is Qt 4.8.x available in Ubuntu 12.04.x ?
[08:06] <cff> ubuntu backports, canonical qt edgers, ubuntu sdk ppa, don't have it
[08:07] <didrocks> cff: seems to be 4.8.5
[08:07] <cff> didrocks: where?
[08:08] <didrocks> on 14.04
[08:08] <cff> didrocks: I'm asking in 12.04
[08:08] <didrocks> not sure that we backport Qt on 12.04
[08:08] <cff> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-backports/allpackages no qt here
[08:09] <didrocks> cff: you can see the version of Qt4 for all supported ubuntu releases here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11
[08:10] <didrocks> so, it's 4.8.1 in precise
[08:10] <infinity> We don't tend to backport libraries like that.  It's just asking for trouble.
[08:11] <infinity> If there's a reason you need bleeding edge versions, you likely don't want to be running an LTS.
[08:18] <apachelogger> pitti: kubuntu-active isn't built right now I think, and yes, jockey was replaced by kubuntu-driver-manager; good to remove
[08:18] <cff> alright thanks
[08:18] <pitti> apachelogger: thanks
[09:08] <soren> mdeslaur: A quick heads up: curl has a unit test that fails since Feb 1st, due to a cookie timing out on that day, so for the next security update, you'll need to update that as well.
[09:09] <soren> mdeslaur: I just spent way too much time thinking I caused a unit test to fail only to realise it also failed without my patch applied. I thought I'd save you the same trouble since you seem to be the one who does most of the curl security updates.
[09:23] <pitti> cjwatson: does https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/britney/britney2-autopkgtest-fixes/+merge/208657 look sane, or would that need a different approach? (first time I looked at britney admittedly, some state keeping is rather confusing)
[09:41] <rbasak> sarnold: it seems reasonable, though I suppose we need an FFe now. Thank you for the review!
[09:46] <rbasak> teward: ^^ - let's chat about this when you're next online. Note that I'm away Mon-Wed next week.
[09:52] <ogra> doko, i see you added a new dep on libtasn1-6, but  it seems there was no older dep dropped (see http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20140228.changes) is that wanted ?
[10:01] <doko> ogra: libtasn1-3-dev is now built form libtasn1-6
[10:02] <doko> not sure why libtasn1-3 wasn't there before
[10:08] <ogra> doko, it still is there i was just expecting it to be traded for the new binary (there are no "dropped packages" in the list as there usually are in transitions)
[10:12] <Laney> oh, we got 1-6 in main, cool
[10:13] <cjwatson> pitti: I haven't reviewed it quite yet, planning to look today.  I don't want to give a knee-jerk opinion as I'll need to stare at the context for a while
[10:13] <Laney> there was something we had a delta on to keep it at 3. /me tries to remember what that was
[10:13] <cjwatson> pitti: Thanks in advance of review for diving into that though :)
[10:13] <pitti> cjwatson: ack; yes, no knee-jerk patches into britney :)
[10:13] <Laney> p11-kit
[10:13] <pitti> cjwatson: next week I'll look into fixing that "binary taken over by new source" bug (the gccgo-4.9 fun that we had)
[10:14] <pitti> cjwatson: but I wanted to start with something easier first
[10:27] <tkamppeter> mdeslaur, hi
[10:45] <xnox> cjwatson: if a package drops things into /etc/default/grub.d does it need to do anything special to trigger "update-grub" or do grub packages have file trigger for those? (looking quickly through triggers, i don't see one)
[10:45] <xnox> cjwatson: or should one just do "update-grub || true" in postinst? (given that grub might be installed, but not in use)
[10:59] <cjwatson> xnox: Just conditionally do update-grub like lupin-support.postinst does, I think
[10:59] <xnox> cjwatson: thanks for pointer.
[11:10] <pitti> hm, did anyone see this error with the new kernel already?
[11:10] <pitti> In file included from ../src/core/socket.c:32:0:
[11:10] <pitti> /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/xattr.h:31:3: error: expected identifier before numeric constant
[11:10] <pitti>    XATTR_CREATE = 1, /* set value, fail if attr already exists.  */
[12:17] <mdeslaur> soren: cool, thanks!
[12:17] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: hi!
[12:21] <mdeslaur> tkamppeter: ah, got your email, thanks
[13:48] <xnox> plars: psivaa: server images should be back to green. By the way, why are floodlight jobs not triggered? the referenced bug was fixed, no?!
[13:50] <psivaa> xnox: thanks for the server image fix. floodlight was disabled as per server team request. let me see the exact convo
[13:52] <xnox> psivaa: if it's disabled, why is it (a) red, (b) published on jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com ?
[13:52] <psivaa> xnox: <jamespage>     psivaa, where do I find the utah smoke tests again? going to convert the floodlight test into a DEP-8 test instead
[13:52] <psivaa> psivaa, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/ubuntu-test-cases/server-drop-floodlight/+merge/196511
[13:52] <xnox> psivaa: maybe i'm looking at the wrong views?
[13:53] <xnox> psivaa: ah, sounds excellent! can it be cleaned up from jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com (trusty series at least)?
[13:53] <xnox> psivaa: or do a last green run ;-)
[13:53] <psivaa> xnox: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/server/amd64/20140228/6872/ is the right place. but i'll report a ticket to clean up floodlight
[13:54] <xnox> psivaa: ok, thanks! will bookmark those pages then.
[14:43] <Saviq> jibel, hey, I saw you were enabling some autopkgtests for uitk, I was wondering recently - we have a bunch of QML UI tests that we only run on CI on a real machine these days, I'd love to put that into autopkgtest, but they require OpenGL, is that something we could get with xvfb via gallium / llvm / whatever-its-called?
[14:47] <xnox> Saviq: ubuntu-emulator-runtime runs under xvfb with gallium on cloud instances / virtual machines, and it requires gl accelaration.
[14:47] <ogra> urgh
[14:48] <brendand> dholbach, hey - do you have any idea how to create a mailing list on lists.ubuntu.com?
[14:49] <xnox> Saviq: libgl1-mesa-glx, xvfb, xinit is all you need I believe.
[14:50] <Saviq> xnox, ok, I tried that locally recently, didn't seem to work - will try again :)
[14:50] <Saviq> xnox, thanks for the confirmation that it should
[14:50] <xnox> Saviq: best boot into ubuntu-desktop livecd in a VM. that should have all the gallium bits, et. al. and try running the tests there.
[14:50] <xnox> Saviq: distilling down from that should be easy.
[14:51] <xnox> Saviq: oh, for some tests we had to increase the default xvfb screenresolution and pixel depth.
[14:51] <Saviq> xnox, good to know
[15:00] <jibel> Saviq, as xnox said you need libgl1-mesa-glx and set screen to a minimum of 1024x768x24, by default xvfb uses 800x600x8 IIRC
[15:01] <xnox> jibel: should we just bump xvfb default, no a more reasonable default?! the world has moved on from 800x600x8....
[15:02] <jibel> xnox, it is even worst than that, the default is 640x480x8
[15:36] <jibel> bdmurray, any opinion about bug 1286161? it looks like a real issue but first time I see it from S to T
[15:40] <bdmurray> jibel: this looks suspcious Unpacking udev (204-5ubuntu11) over (204-0ubuntu19.1) ...^M
[15:40] <bdmurray> Preparing to unpack .../libblkid1_2.20.1-5.1ubuntu14_amd64.deb ...^M
[15:41] <bdmurray> jibel: whoops, sorry its still early
[15:43] <dholbach> brendand, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailingLists#Requesting_a_list
[15:52] <guest6019532> hello
[15:52] <guest6019532> i came here because of the following bug:
[15:52] <guest6019532> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/932834
[15:53] <guest6019532> is anyone here who could comment on this? is there any chance this bug could be fixed for trusty (14.04)?
[15:53] <guest6019532> some more info:
[15:53] <guest6019532> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/install-pulseaudio-with-built-in-system.html
[15:53] <guest6019532> https://sites.google.com/site/nevion/projects/qpaeq
[15:54] <guest6019532> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1378087
[15:54] <guest6019532> it would be much appreciated
[15:55] <seb128> guest6019532, you can try to talk to TheMuso, but he's based in Australia and it's friday night there, so maybe better to try next week either earlier or later in the day
[15:59] <guest6019532> seb128: thx for your reply. i already approached TheMuso in #ubuntu-accessibility a few minutes ago. but he didn't reply.
[15:59] <seb128> guest6019532, it's 3am for him, he's probably sleeping
[16:00] <Laney> You could also email him
[16:01] <seb128> or that
[16:07] <guest6019532> seb128: ok, thx anyway
[16:07] <seb128> yw
[16:08] <guest6019532> Laney: to see email adresses on launchpad, one needs to log in first, as far as i can see. however, i am not registered on launchpad ;p
[16:08] <Laney> guest6019532<EMAIL_ADDRESS>works for ubuntu members
[16:09] <guest6019532> Laney: ok, thx
[17:01] <Saviq> xnox, jibel, so with xvfb-run I'm getting:
[17:01] <Saviq> libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast
[17:01] <Saviq> Could not initialize GLX
[17:01] <Saviq> and crash
[17:02] <Saviq> even though unity itself runs under gallium in the VM where I'm trying that
[17:02] <Saviq> ah
[17:03] <Saviq> xnox, jibel, unping, seems the resolution/colorspace change helps
[17:06] <jibel> Saviq, yes, without a depth of 24 it fails with Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[17:06] <Saviq> jibel, awesome, we're getting somewhere, thanks!
[17:19] <xnox> Saviq: start with trying to run "glxinfo" and nux_test utilities, to make sure they say it's all good.
[17:20] <Saviq> xnox, yup, that's what I did, even managed to get it to load gallium on my nvidia
[17:20] <xnox> Saviq: excellent.
[17:20] <Saviq> xnox, so all looks great, we'll be having some new autopkgtest soon :]
[18:59] <pranith__> Hi, can someone help me in packaging the latest GNU global package for Ubuntu 14.04? The package in debian is 6 years old and the maintainer is not interested in packaging the latest upstream because of some issues
[19:01] <Noskcaj> pranith__, link the bug you made
[19:01] <Laney> why do we want the issues in Ubuntu?
[19:02] <pranith__> upstream debian bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574947
[19:03] <pranith__> ubuntu bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/global/+bug/1275029
[19:15] <pranith__> what is the front-end package which I need to use with bzr-fastimport?
[19:15] <pranith__> on 12.04 I get an error of no such package for front-end
[20:21] <ockham> hi, i'm trying to set up a sid pbuilder under saucy, but it fails with
[20:21] <ockham> Err file: saucy/ Packages
[20:21] <ockham>   File not found
[20:22] <ockham> ~/.pbuilderrc is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/7012360/
[20:22] <ockham> can anyone help?
[20:24] <sarnold> ockham: you can take raring out of your UBUNTU_SUITES -- it's EOL -- but that likely won't fix your problem, which I can't spot. good luck :)
[20:24] <ockham> sarnold: thx
[20:43] <ockham> i think i found it. i had to touch /var/cache/archive/sid/Packages and /var/cache/archive/sid/Sources
[23:55] <teward> sarnold, when yo uwake up, or are not busy, ping.
[23:55] <sarnold> hey teward :)
[23:56] <teward> sarnold, wrt nginx and the mir, would you want a separate source package, or an nginx-tiny added to the existing source to build an upstream-core-modules-only binary that would get into main?
[23:56] <sarnold> teward: existing source package would be great
[23:56] <teward> that makes my work considerably LESS evil
[23:57] <teward> it's easier to add to the current debian/ than it is to trim down the current debian/ and still make everything work xD
[23:57] <sarnold> teward: oh absolutely
[23:58] <sarnold> teward: I just need some clear demarcation for the users about which modules we can support and which modules we can't support. I certainly don't want to discard all the hard work you've put into the package over the years :)
[23:58] <teward> sarnold, debian put the effort into the package :p
[23:58] <teward> not me
[23:58]  * teward has only been on this for about a year with the PPAs
[23:58] <sarnold> teward: do you think debian upstream would be willing to accept these changes too? it'd also be nice to avoid an ubuntu delta here
[23:59] <teward> sarnold, if by "upstream" you mean "debian"
[23:59] <sarnold> teward: oh no, I know you've put work into it :P
[23:59] <teward> then ask Debian
[23:59] <teward> i have no say in what debian does/doesn't do
[23:59] <teward> i just yell things at them and they sometimes listen xD
[23:59] <sarnold> :)D


[02:30] <poolie> spiv, hi?
[07:24] <mgz> morning all!
[07:39] <Merwin_> hi mgz :)
[10:08] <mgz> to get a log of the whole of a history branch given a dotted revno from within it,
[10:08] <mgz> is there anything smarter than:
[10:08] <mgz> `bzr log --forward -l1 -r191.1.5..`
[10:08] <mgz> then seeing what the revno of that is in the parent branch and doing:
[10:09] <mgz> `bzr log -n0 -c198`
[10:17] <ribe> I have checkout main project branch, but how do I create development branch on my localhost?
[10:19] <mgz> ribe: not really sure what you want, but just `bzr branch exisiting_main new_devel`?
[11:16] <vila> mgz: bzr log -n0 -cmainline:191.1.5 ?
[11:21] <mgz> vila: thanks!
[11:29] <jonathanj> hi, i have a stange problem with locations.conf that has only recently (and suddenly) started happening
[11:30] <jonathanj> for some reason bzr is not matching stanzas in locations.conf that is has been matching for years
[11:31] <jonathanj> i'm using bzr 2.6b1 on OS X 10.7.3
[11:31] <jonathanj> is there some way to debug the matching?
[11:33] <jonathanj> my branch is at /Users/jonathan/Coding/Project/branches/123-branch, i have a /Users/jonathan/Coding/Project/branches stanza
[11:34] <jonathanj> if i remove path elements until a location stanza starts appearing in "bzr config" i end up with /Users/jonathan/Coding, which seems bizarre (hah!)
[11:34] <jonathanj> as far as i can tell there is nothing (nor has there ever been) anything special about the Coding directory
[11:35] <jelmer> jonathanj: this code has been changed recently, so I suspect it's a regression
[11:35] <jelmer> jonathanj: can you file a bug?
[12:03] <jonathanj> jelmer: after a whole lot more messing around it seems that somehow os.getcwd was reporting "Coding" as "coding" (while Finder, pwd, ls, etc, reported it as "Coding"), moving it to foo and back to Coding appears to have resolved all my issues
[12:04] <jonathanj> although on OS X "coding" and "Coding" are actually the same path, so maybe i should file a bug about that
[13:40] <huggie> So I committed, pushed but it was wrong.  I'd like to undo that.  I found uncommit and revert and now I'm back where I should be but I can't push.  I tried an empty commit and now I've diverged.  Um, help? ;)
[13:40] <jelmer> huggie: you can discard the remote history using "bzr push --overwrite"
[13:41] <huggie> Aha.
[13:44] <huggie> Woo.  After a little time launchpad updated too.
[13:44] <huggie> jelmer: Thanks, that was perfect :)
[15:58]  * mgz blames jml here instead
[15:58] <mgz> skip on twisted and unittest should not use incompatible exception classes
[15:59] <jml> backwards compatibilit
[16:00] <mgz> is it actually impossible to skip a test in such a way as it'll not count as a fail on one of trial or unittest -m?
[17:26] <james_w> https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/udd/packages-last-update/+merge/101009
[21:54] <ribe> When I do MERGE/ POOL main branch to my branch msg is 'there is nothing to do', but right after that if I do merge my branch into main there is changes to commit. How is that possible?
[21:55] <ribe> I'm truing to revert some changes btw, and can't update my branch to current version of main branch...
[22:08] <ribe> How to revert my branch to privies version and the do update/pull the current version of the main branch?
[22:09] <jelmer> ribe: 'bzr pull --overwrite <main-branch-url>' ?
[22:14] <ribe> jelmer: that may help, just that I using Bzr explorer...need to check out how to do that in terminal...


[15:11] <perrito666> afternoon
[15:14] <jcw4> perrito666: or morning... whatever
[15:14] <jcw4> :
[15:14] <jcw4> :)
[16:08] <perrito666> perrito666: currently is 13:08 her
[16:08] <perrito666> so Ill say afternoon


[04:02] <sl3apy> hello guys... I have been taught java and self taught myself C#/VB .NET and developed programs using those languages.  however I want to be useful in some kind of linux project since I have been using linux a lot more on my computers.  what language is more heavily used in linux projects and how do I get started in a linux programming project group?
[04:04] <ESphynx> sl3apy: hey :) I have an open source software project that would greatly benefit from help :P
[04:05] <sl3apy> ESphynx: what language are you using? I am learning C++ syntax in college (persuing a degree in comptuer science)
[04:06] <ESphynx> sl3apy: In fact the project is centered around a new language called eC :) It's an OO language based on C, so it's similar to C#/Java in many aspects, but it's compiled and native as opposed to managed or ran in a virtual machine
[04:06] <sl3apy> ESphynx: ooo cool.
[04:06] <ESphynx> sl3apy: The project is a light GUI/graphics cross platform toolkit, Integrated Development Environment and Compiler ...
[04:07] <sl3apy> that actually does sound like I would understand it really good then
[04:07] <ESphynx> sl3apy awesome ;) Join us in #ecere? ;)
[04:17] <bjsnider> ok, so in gnome-shell, the menubars have been removed now, as in unity, and in osx
[04:18] <bjsnider> the difference is, the options have not been moved to a menubar that is located in the top bar
[04:18] <bjsnider> they have been moved to an icon located in the top bar. if you click hte icon for empathy, for example, you get all of the menubar stuff
[04:19] <bjsnider> sop i guess nobody has any menubars anymore
[04:19] <ESphynx> I liked menu bars.
[04:20] <bjsnider> yes but you're mistaken
[04:21] <ESphynx> no I'm not. opiniated, perhaps.
[05:44] <ankit_> how do i install the drivers for my ati raedon 6400 on 12.10
[06:40] <X-tonic> will python 3.3 make it to 12.10?
[07:59] <endstille> hey all, do you know, if 12.10 will run with linux kernel 3.5 or will the new 3.6 kernel be used?
[08:01] <bazhang> !info linux
[08:03] <endstille> i'm running a netbook with 12.10 right now, i know the kernel, that is used right now ;)
[08:03] <endstille> i just wonder if 3.6 will core, or if i have to use mainline, to get it ;)
[08:04] <bazhang> perhaps wait around for someone with more knowledge (like a developer) to see your question and respond
[08:36] <gnomefreak> ChanServ: access #ubuntu+1 list
[08:36] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:11] <Milos_SD> Hi
[13:12] <Milos_SD> Why Libreoffice that is in 12.10  doesn't work? It will not start, and there is no errors in terminal (only 2 warnings)
[13:12] <Milos_SD> :S
[13:18] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: works here
[13:19] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: did you try renaming the config folder for the app?
[13:25] <Milos_SD> actionParsnip, I don't have .libreoffice folder in my home folder
[13:25] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice_old
[13:26] <Milos_SD> actionParsnip, http://pastebin.com/C2jCE9Wq
[13:27] <Milos_SD> doesn't work...
[13:27] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: is that after renaming the folder?
[13:27] <Milos_SD> I had almost the same problem with loffice 3.6 from ppa in 12.04
[13:27] <Milos_SD> yes, after
[13:27] <Milos_SD> before there ware only the first one and the last two
[13:27] <Milos_SD> :)
[13:27] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: are you using KDE?
[13:28] <Milos_SD> actionParsnip, no.. I use Unity
[13:28] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: ok, so gnome desktop ;)
[13:30] <actionParsnip> !bug 666523
[13:30] <actionParsnip> ah
[13:31] <sebas_> Beta 2 got issues with nvidia? got no video at boot
[13:31] <sebas_> card 460GTX
[13:33] <BluesKaj> sebas_, install nvidia-current . then reboot
[13:34] <sebas_> BluesKaj: I cannot do a liveboot
[13:34] <actionParsnip> Milos_SD: try:  sudo apt-get --purge remove libreoffice*; rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice; rm -r ~/.config/libreoffice_old; sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get updpate; sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[13:34] <actionParsnip> sebas_: tried the boot option: nouveau.blacklist=1
[13:34] <sebas_> actionParsnip: nope thanx will try rightaway
[13:36] <BluesKaj> sebas, can you drop to TTY , sudo service lightdm stop, then install nvidia-current , sudo nvidia-xconfig , then startx
[13:38] <sebas_> BluesKaj: thanx
[13:39] <BluesKaj> sebas_, I'm assuming your DM is lightdm
[13:39] <BluesKaj> oops too slow
[13:40] <CaptainKnots> is there a way to get unity 6.6 from quantal installed in 12.04?
[13:41] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: there is a Unity backports PPA
[13:41] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=unity
[13:42] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: its a great page to search for PPAs.
[13:42] <jbicha> CaptainKnots: no
[13:43] <CaptainKnots> actionParsnip: I already added the unity staging ppa
[13:43] <jbicha> oh dear, someone actually tried
[13:43] <actionParsnip> jbicha: https://launchpad.net/~benkai/+archive/precise-unity-backport
[13:43] <actionParsnip> jbicha: so, yes. It exists
[13:43] <CaptainKnots> it brought me up to 5.16
[13:44] <actionParsnip> CaptainKnots: the PPA has 6.2 Unity for Precise.
[13:44] <CaptainKnots> well, time to see if my system blows up
[13:44] <jbicha> I'm very skeptical; the gsettings transition is huge and we're still trying to squash bugs from it
[13:44] <CaptainKnots> has ubuntu moved to systemd?
[13:58] <dark_> problem installing ubuntu12.10 beta 2 using unetbootbin after installing ..grub2 doesn't load
[13:58] <actionParsnip> dark_: is it during the installation, or is this an installed OS?
[13:59] <dark_> help?
[14:00] <dark_> in an installed OS
[14:01] <actionParsnip> dark_: what video chip do yo use?
[14:07] <dark_> amd both
[14:07] <dark_> 3400 series
[14:07] <actionParsnip> try the boot option: nomodeset
[14:08] <sunk8> is there any error message dark_ ? or are you sent to the grub>> prompt?
[14:09] <AaronCampbell> On 12.04 in terminal doing something like 'git <tab><tab>' would give me a list of git commands (add, bisect, branch, commit, etc).  Now it offers a list of files in the current directory instead
[14:10] <AaronCampbell> Since this is a completely fresh install for me, is there maybe a package or a setting I'm missing? Or is this different in 12.10
[14:10] <AaronCampbell> Obviously I prefer the command-specific prompting/completion
[14:10] <dark_> nope nothing sent to grub2
[14:11] <Artemis3> AaronCampbell, bash-completion?
[14:11] <AaronCampbell> Artemis3: According to synaptic, that's installed
[14:12] <dark_> sorry its not amd.... on another computer i installed ubuntu12.10 beta 2 using unetbootbin after installing ..grub2 doesn't load..the config is intel i5 ,nvdia 520m
[14:13] <dark_> help?
[14:15] <Artemis3> dark_, can you hold shift when booting to see grub menu?
[14:18] <dark_> no i didn;t see menu...i switched my win7 gets booted
[14:19] <dark_> no i didn;t see menu...i turned on ...my win7 gets booted
[14:19] <Artemis3> so grub never installed
[14:20] <dark_> its days installed during installation
[14:21] <dark_> its says installed during installation
[14:21] <Artemis3> maybe its installing in the wrong place...
[14:22] <Artemis3> i suppose you should start with a thumbdrive first
[14:23] <dark_> if i put my thumbdrive....it only opens only intall menu
[14:23] <Artemis3> which image did you use in the thumbdrive?
[14:25] <dark_> ubuntu-12.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:25] <Artemis3> ah start, just don't install
[14:25] <Artemis3> its a "live" desktop
[14:30] <dark_> ya..i started it
[14:31] <Artemis3> try in a terminal: sudo lshw -class disk output to pastebin or similar
[14:31] <dark_> when trying to installing it detects that thart quantal is inatlled
[14:59] <designbybeck> Tomboy isn't used anymore in Ubuntu is it?
[14:59] <designbybeck> wasn't it based on mono?
[15:08] <Daekdroom> designbybeck, it isn't, and yes, it is based on Mono.
[15:08] <Daekdroom> Still available on the repos.
[15:26] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone else have issues with google talk aut
[15:26] <FunnyLookinHat> *auth
[15:26] <FunnyLookinHat> It seems empathy can't sign in every day, and I have to re-authorize the account or something to that degree....
[15:27] <Daekdroom> That used to happen to me. I don't know why it doesn't anymore
[15:29] <FunnyLookinHat> It just had me re-authorize with a full login ( as opposed to hitting the "Grant Access" button ) - maybe that'll fix it?
[15:30] <FunnyLookinHat> I have a feeling the initial perms request that was setup didn't have a long enough timeout
[15:36] <pepee> hi
[15:39] <pepee> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/quantal/beta2  <-  can/will features from linux 3.6 be backported?
[15:40] <pepee> sorry, http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.6
[15:44] <nbf> I upgraded to the quantal beta, how do I use the shopping lens?
[15:44] <nbf> I want to shop amazon via the dash dammit!
[15:46] <actionParsnip> nbf: just search
[15:47] <actionParsnip> nbf: use dash to search, things will appear
[15:47] <nbf> actionParsnip: I only get suggestions for music and dvds
[15:49] <pepee> btw have you ever read what stallman says about amazon? http://stallman.org/amazon.html
[15:49] <bazhang> !ot
[15:49] <nbf> for the things I like about rms, he's kind of a kook
[15:49] <bazhang> ...
[15:49] <nbf> kind of the bin laden of FLOSS
[15:50] <bazhang> lets move on pleaes
[15:50] <nbf> don't you have better things to do
[15:50] <nbf> it's not like this channel is busy with useful chat
[15:50] <pepee> ^
[15:50] <bazhang> it's not the chat channel.
[15:53] <pepee> anyway, where can I read about the phases of development of ubuntu?
[15:54] <bazhang> pepee, this release?
[15:54] <pepee> any release
[15:54] <bazhang> !schedule
[15:54] <pepee> about the process itself
[15:55] <bazhang> the mailing lists
[15:55] <pepee> to know if the features will or will not be backported
[16:48] <brohan__> I did a clean install of 12.10 Beta 1. While using live thumbdrive, all worked well. Afterinstalling all worked well. After an upgrade, when I log in I get no launcher, no sys tray, etc
[16:56] <BluesKaj> it have application support ?
[16:57] <BluesKaj> oops wrong channel
[16:59] <brohan> I am here now
[16:59] <BluesKaj> yup
[16:59] <trism> brohan: do you have -proposed enabled?
[16:59] <brohan> Restarting after install from thumbdrive Beta-1 iso
[17:00] <brohan> I assume not, I don't know what that is
[17:00] <trism> brohan: apt-cache policy compiz; pastebin that
[17:00] <brohan> I am now rebooting after install has completed
[17:01] <trism> brohan: oh did you just reinstall instead?
[17:02] <brohan> FYI I am logging in, has KDE workspace button and a guest button. After upgrading last time it only had my name, no guest no KDE button
[17:02] <BluesKaj> trism, he's installing kubuntu
[17:02] <brohan> I am doing this so that if I need to come back to this log I can follow what I am doing in case I need to do it again
[17:03] <pepee> you should have moved ~/.kde
[17:03] <brohan> System is up what do you recommend I do now BluesKay
[17:03] <GirlyGirl> I want to completely remove ubuntu-desktop packages on Kubuntu, any ideas?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> so you're at the login screen , brohan ?
[17:04] <bazhang> !purekde | GirlyGirl
[17:04] <GirlyGirl> bazhang: That's not for 12.10
[17:04] <brohan> I have logged in, all is well. Blueskaj
[17:05] <trism> BluesKaj: thanks, seems like I missed part of the discussion
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> bazhang: Some package names change so I would not do that
[17:05] <BluesKaj> cool brohan
[17:05] <brohan> Now what
[17:06] <BluesKaj> open a terminal and run sudo apt-getupdate;sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:06] <BluesKaj> err, run sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:06] <BluesKaj> brohan, ^
[17:07] <brohan> I get error messages at first
[17:07] <brohan> says can't get InRelease
[17:08] <brohan> couldn't resolve us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, no internet connection
[17:08] <brohan> couldn't get release.gpg couldn't resolve security.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <brohan> BUT
[17:08] <brohan> it says some index files failed to download, then building ress
[17:08] <brohan> tree
[17:09] <brohan> yada yada then need to get 240 mb/290 mb of archives
[17:09] <brohan> do I wan to continue
[17:09] <BluesKaj> yup
[17:10] <brohan> Oops
[17:10] <brohan> you were right, no internet connection
[17:10] <brohan> I connected redid command
[17:10] <brohan> all is well as far as no error messages
[17:11] <brohan> go ahead and hit Y now?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:11] <brohan> I don't have to worry about video drivers getting bunged up?
[17:12] <pepee> brohan, ati graphics?
[17:13] <BluesKaj> well ,there's always a chance , but I'm sure we can solve the problem if it happens
[17:15] <brohan> ati radeon x1400
[17:16] <brohan> If this is the same as doing the muon upgrade, this may very well cause an issue
[17:16] <BluesKaj> are you seeing any errors , brohan ?
[17:17] <brohan> not yet
[17:17] <brohan> all looks good
[17:17] <brohan> after I hit Y to begin it is GET one line after the other nothing in between
[17:18] <BluesKaj> pepee, what's the default driver for un configured ati graphics ,,vesa ?
[17:18] <brohan> It says GET then maybe one or 2 HIT, then as it get so GET 20 it is all Get 21 Get 22 etc
[17:18] <BluesKaj> brohan, yes that's normal
[17:18] <brohan> perfect
[17:19] <brohan> It looks like it is doing final processing, and I got a sys not box saying upgrades are avail
[17:19] <pepee> I'm not sure BluesKaj
[17:19] <pepee> shouldn't it be ati?
[17:20] <BluesKaj> yeah , that one's always behind the terminal brohan , muon and apt-get  both use the the dpkg management system , muon is just a GUI and apt-get is the terminal app , both do the same thing
[17:21] <brohan> makes sense, just figured it was odd that I was upgrading and it tells me there are upgrades, GUI lags?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> that's just a slow notifier at work brohan
[17:22] <brohan> What is the diff in doing this, vs the way I used gui before that gave me this graphics issue?
[17:22] <BluesKaj> hard to know
[17:22] <brohan> ok
[17:23] <brohan> I am pretty new to this that is why I am asking :-)
[17:23] <brohan> Lots of setting up lines now
[17:24] <brohan> error grub bios secto 32 in use by FlexNet
[17:25] <brohan> installation finished (that part) no errors reported
[17:25] <BluesKaj> brohan, once the upgrades are finished in the terminal , look in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[17:25] <brohan> will do
[17:25] <pepee> no, reboot first
[17:25] <pepee> and reboot twice
[17:25] <brohan> Rebuilding Xapian index
[17:26] <brohan> So reboot once, log in then reboot, or reboot to login screen, reboot, then log in and check the menu apps system add drivers?
[17:26] <BluesKaj> twice ?
[17:27] <brohan> It is done in terminal, Reboot?
[17:27] <pepee> I've seen strange things happen, so I reboot twice to be sure
[17:27] <brohan> so reboot now?
[17:27] <pepee> it takes you a minute, so...
[17:27] <BluesKaj> yes , probly a good idea to reboot now
[17:27] <brohan> OK
[17:28] <brohan> then reboot to login screen and reboot, or login and then reboot?
[17:28] <pepee> perphaps it's not needed, but it's a good idea to always reboot after upgrading
[17:28] <BluesKaj> pepee, so reboot again from the login after the first reboot ?
[17:28] <pepee> brohan, login and reboot
[17:28] <brohan> ok
[17:29] <BluesKaj> getting to be like a windows install
[17:29] <brohan> pepee as an FYI, after upgrading last time, I logged in to nothing, no launcher, systray, no right mouse click etc
[17:30] <brohan> Unfortunately I have to go soon, but will be back in about 2 hours
[17:30] <pepee> brohan, mv ~/.kde{,_backup}
[17:30] <pepee> run that in a console, then reboot
[17:31] <BluesKaj> gonna be 3 reboots if there's a recommended driver to install
[17:31] <brohan> still waiting on 1st reboot :-(
[17:31] <brohan> hdd is running
[17:31] <pepee> ok, let it do whatever it's doing
[17:31] <pepee> don't run the command
[17:32] <brohan> I will let it keep smoking
[17:32] <pepee> not until another reboot
[17:32] <brohan> that was just shutting down, it is now firing back up, for the 1st time :-)
[17:33] <brohan> I am at login screen for the first time, all appears well
[17:33] <brohan> getting login icons
[17:34] <brohan> (which didn't happen before)
[17:34] <brohan> OK, logged in, all is well, asking for wallet password. Reboot now?
[17:34] <pepee> yeah, just to be sure
[17:34] <brohan> I know what went awry!
[17:35] <brohan> I backed up my home dir
[17:35] <brohan> then I just restored backup
[17:35] <brohan> I now assume that restored old config settings for 12.04?
[17:35] <pepee> probably
[17:36] <brohan> and that caused issue?
[17:36] <brohan> How can I remedy that?
[17:36] <brohan> I have to go :-( Can I look you guys up  when I get back?
[17:37] <pepee> my guess would be that something needs to redo something, and until it's done, all will be a mess
[17:37] <pepee> sure brohan
[17:37] <brohan> Will look you up later
[17:37] <brohan> THANK YOU for all your help
[17:37] <BluesKaj> np
[17:40] <BluesKaj> brohan, better to have a / and /home partitions rather than solely relying on backup , the conf files in /home are auto reconfigured to new version afaik during the reinstall to /
[17:42] <jetsaredim> is there a way to manage the unity lenses
[17:46] <trism> jetsaredim: manage in what way? I believe the only way to stop them from loading is to uninstall them
[17:47] <jetsaredim> trism: hm - ok - they seems to be continually crashing so it would be nice to disable them
[17:47] <jetsaredim> i never use anything other than the program search
[18:17] <silverarrow> hi
[18:19] <BluesKaj>  hi silverarrow
[18:20] <silverarrow> I have manage to boot quantal ppc of Ubuntu
[18:20] <silverarrow> not yet installed
[18:23] <BluesKaj> live cd /usb ?
[18:27] <silverarrow> cd
[19:33] <designbybeck> Uh oh! This isn't good: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/10/ubuntu-wont-fix-nsfw-content-in-amazon-unity-results
[19:33] <designbybeck> I'd hate to have this installed for some of the kids we work with and have NSFW stuff pop up at random searches
[19:33] <designbybeck> WHat is your take on this?
[19:34] <designbybeck> But I guess it is "removable"
[19:35] <jtaylor> it sucks ...
[19:36] <jtaylor> edubuntu does not install it by default
[19:36] <designbybeck> oh that is good to know!
[19:36] <designbybeck> I haven't checked out edubuntu 12.10 yet how is it looking jtaylor
[19:36] <jtaylor> I haven't tried it either
[19:36] <dmatt> what should be used instead of jockey?
[19:37] <dmatt> in Kubuntu
[19:37] <jtaylor> but I saw that there was a bug about removing it from edubuntu for obvious reasons
[19:37] <Rallias> Is there any word as to if kernel 3.6 is making it into quantal?
[19:37] <jtaylor> Rallias: won't happen besides backports
[19:37] <designbybeck> i thought i saw it was Rallias
[19:37] <designbybeck> ...oh maybe not
[19:37] <Rallias> Oh... fun.
[19:37] <jtaylor> it was only released today, quantal is due in three weeks
[19:38] <jtaylor> far to little time
[19:38] <Rallias> Yeah, but kernel freeze is on the 4th
[19:38] <Rallias> so I was wondering.
[19:38] <silverarrow> will it ever be tested for an update?
[19:38] <jtaylor> hm I think if it was planned we would have an rc in quantal already
[19:38]  * silverarrow googles rc
[19:39] <Rallias> So there's no ability to use quantal for commercial LXC?
[19:39] <jtaylor> rc = release candidate
[19:40] <jtaylor> lxc should work with 3.5 too?
[19:40] <jtaylor> or is there something specific in 3.6?
[19:40] <jtaylor> I have used lxc in precise which has 3.2
[19:40] <Rallias> 3.5 series if you issue shutdown in a container it shuts down the host system.
[19:40] <Rallias> That was fixed in 3.6
[19:40] <jtaylor> outch
[19:40] <jtaylor> its likely that fix was or will be backported
[19:41] <jtaylor> lxc is important for ubuntu
[19:41] <trism> Rallias: do you know which commit fixed it? we may have added it to 3.5
[19:41] <Rallias> trism I'm not sure, I just know it was targeted for 3.6
[19:42] <Rallias> I tested it in a self-compiled kernel, but I would much rather use a stock kernel in a high liability environment.
[19:44] <Rallias> Is there a PPA for me to use to get the 3.6.x kernels?
[19:46] <jtaylor> Rallias: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[19:47] <jtaylor> but they are for testing purposes, not really supported
[19:47] <silverarrow> is there a clever way to get the b43 quantal package on a usb stick?
[19:48] <jtaylor> silverarrow: cp /var/cache/apt/archive/...*deb /media/...?
[19:48] <silverarrow> hmm, ?
[19:48] <jtaylor> what do you mean?
[19:49] <silverarrow> well, I usualy have to get wired and do updates and what not to get the b43 stuff
[19:49] <jtaylor> so for the live usb?
[19:49] <silverarrow> and I have only wireless right now
[19:50] <silverarrow> well, I have live cd which boots now, but the b43 drivers
[19:51] <jtaylor> you can allocate persistent storage on an use and put it there
[19:52] <dmatt> BluesKaj: the first question is if jockey-kde is going to be functional or not
[19:53] <BluesKaj> dmatt, I haven't heard that
[19:53] <dmatt> BluesKaj: if yes and only after final release, i am kind of ok with that even though there is not time to test anything
[19:54] <dmatt> BluesKaj: if no, I am pretty much interested in testing the alternative which is going to be official way to install fglrx
[19:55] <dmatt> BluesKaj: citing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2 :
[19:55] <BluesKaj> dmatt, the fglrx driver seems to work on some radeons and not others , I don't know what the answer is except to try everything possible including the ati/radeon proprietary
[19:56] <dmatt> BluesKaj: Jockey has been deprecated in favor of a "Drivers" component in software-properties.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> do thexedgers crew have any drivers available , I haven't checked
[19:57] <s9iper1> does empathy support to get the previous convrsation history from facebook ??
[19:58] <BluesKaj> dmatt,  so you don't have an additional drivers option in the kmenu?
[19:59] <dmatt> BluesKaj: yes but this was update from 12.04
[20:00] <dmatt> BluesKaj: maybe even fglrx in repositories would work for me (it used to without problems), jockey just does not suggest anything
[20:00] <dmatt> BluesKaj: and when i found in release notes that jockey is deprecated, I want to know if there is other official way
[20:00] <BluesKaj> dmatt, I did a clean install to / , maybe the additional drivers component was saved in the conf files
[20:01] <dmatt> BluesKaj: you don't have it in 12.10?
[20:02] <BluesKaj> I have addtitonal drivers option , dmatt , but it's nvidia , not ati
[20:02] <dmatt> BluesKaj: I am trying to determine what "Jockey has been deprecated in favor of a "Drivers" component in software-properties." from beta2 release notes really means
[20:03] <BluesKaj> yeah , good question
[20:04] <dmatt> dmatt: maybe the upgrade was b0rked, I had to use cli jockey to deaactivate fglrx to get to GUI
[20:05] <dmatt> BluesKaj: ^
[20:06]  * BluesKaj nods
[20:08]  * MrChrisDruif waves at BluesKaj
[20:09] <BluesKaj> dmatt, for what it's worth . the drivers listed in jockey are different ,( so probly upgraded options) , now than the last time I checked , so jockey might be retained for nvidia equipped pcs
[20:09]  * BluesKaj waves back at MrChrisDruif
[20:09] <MrChrisDruif> =D
[20:11] <BluesKaj> dmatt, altho I'm not using any of the optional drivers listed in jockey
[20:13] <glebihan> dmatt, BluesKaj : jockey is going away completely, replaced by an additional tab in software-properties
[20:13] <dmatt> BluesKaj: thatnk, i try clean test install and check jockey there
[20:13] <glebihan> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1021733 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings#drivers
[20:14] <dmatt> glebihan: and what will replace it in Kubuntu?
[20:14] <glebihan> dmatt, I'm not sure what's been decided for kubuntu
[20:19] <BluesKaj> where is the software properties equivalent on kde , glebihan?
[20:20] <glebihan> BluesKaj, I'm not sure, it's been a while since I've last used KDE
[20:21] <BluesKaj> probly the software center , which i don't use
[20:21] <BluesKaj> or have installed
[20:26] <dmatt> BluesKaj: no it is not in software center, it only leads back to jockey
[20:32] <silverarrow> Vista got a bit better after the sp packages
[20:32] <silverarrow> boots in about a week
[20:35] <BluesKaj> dmatt, found it in /usr/share/software properties, but thereisn't anything there about graphics drivers
[20:48] <dmatt> BluesKaj: don't know if this is really related
[20:49] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, A OEM vista?
[20:49] <BluesKaj> dmatt, yeah it was just a guess using locate in the terminal
[20:50] <silverarrow> a what?
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, Factory install not a straight install from a disc original equipment manufacture (OEM)
[20:53] <dmatt> BluesKaj: jockey (0.9.7-0ubuntu11) quantal; urgency=low
[20:53] <dmatt> * debian/control: Turn jockey-gtk into a transitional package for
[20:53] <dmatt> software-properties-gtk, to avoid showing two icons in control-center
[20:53] <dmatt> after upgrading.
[20:53] <dmatt> -- Martin Pitt<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:45:56 +0200
[20:54] <silverarrow> yes factory installed
[20:56] <dmatt> BluesKaj: seems to me that jockey-kde should work
[20:57] <BluesKaj> software-properties-kde  maybe
[20:57] <dmatt> BluesKaj: i'll make that clean install and check jockey there
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, Ah worst install type, lots of extra stuff not needed that make it run slower in general, vista has a bad rap I only tried it for a couple of weeks with a reinstall on a used computer I bought ran pretty good, but I suspect overtime there may have been problems, hard to say.
[20:58] <BluesKaj> jockey works here , both in additional drivers and the krunner
[20:58] <BluesKaj> dmatt,^
[20:58] <dmatt> BluesKaj: ok, sofware-properties-kde is for repositories setting
[21:00] <dmatt> BluesKaj: thank you for help
[21:01] <silverarrow> it takes a long time to boot and for wireless to be up and running, otherwise there are not any trouble
[21:01] <silverarrow> it has been stable and reliable for years
[21:01] <silverarrow> these days when ultrabooks boots in 20 seconds, this one is ridiculous
[21:02] <BluesKaj> dmatt, dunno how much help I was , but it was a learning experience for me :)
[21:06] <BluesKaj> ok , time to go ..stuff to do
[21:14] <brohan> Hey BluesKaj, I am back, sorry it took longer than expected
[21:14] <brohan> BluesKaj as a reminder I just did a new install, upgraded, my video works great. I need to now restore my backup (I assume minus the old config files)
[21:15] <brohan> and you are gone :-(
[21:16] <brohan> you here Pepee?
[21:19] <brohan> Can anyone help with doing a clean install of 12.10 and then restoring a 12.04 backup  without messing up my video (which works just fine in 12.10)
[21:23] <pepee> brohan, why not just simply copy the files?
[21:24] <pepee> hmm you'll need to change permissions after that
[21:24] <brohan> I did the backup with deja dup
[21:24] <brohan> I am not sure how to restore other than using it to restore all
[21:25] <brohan> (although in the future by backup drive is big enough to just copy, not compress)
[21:25] <brohan> Before I had left pepee you had suggested after rebooting mv ~/.kde {,_backup}
[21:26] <brohan> still do that?
[21:26] <silverarrow> are you in quantal now?
[21:26] <pepee> no, if it's working , leave it there brohan
[21:26] <pepee> also, be careful when copying commands
[21:26] <silverarrow> when you boot quantal is the side taskbar there?
[21:26] <brohan> ok. What happens when I restore my backup which was made in 12.04 and made of my entire home directory?
[21:27] <pepee> brohan, does your system has the same username as the previous one?
[21:27] <brohan> I am using kubuntu, and was recommeded, and had the conversation in this chat, so it is a bit off topic
[21:27] <brohan> pepp yes it does
[21:27] <pepee> *have
[21:28] <brohan> It didn't, BUT then last night I redid everything so it did, which I should have left my mistake alone
[21:28] <brohan> So right now my username is the same\
[21:29] <brohan> create a new user, restore backup to that user, then copy what I need?
[21:29] <pepee> same IDs too?
[21:29] <pepee> try copying the files directly and see what happens, but make sure to not touch your backup
[21:29] <brohan> what do you mean by ID's, the computer name?
[21:30] <pepee> user ID
[21:30] <brohan> How do I copy the files directly? They were backed up with Deja Dup, as some kind of compressed one I think. Right now my username is the same as it was before yes
[21:30] <pepee> brohan, sadly, I've never used deja dup
[21:31] <brohan> I believe that I can actually restore it to a different directory
[21:31] <brohan> I will give that a go?
[21:31] <pepee> do you want to recover the whole /home?
[21:32] <pepee> including configs, etc?
[21:32] <brohan> NO, just data files from what I would imagine since I did a whole fresh install with HDD formatting
[21:32] <brohan> no need for any configs
[21:32] <brohan> any software configs I can redo
[21:32] <brohan> they were just eyecandy
[21:33] <brohan> luckily my browser bookwarks are in the cloud
[21:33] <pepee> it's a backup of /home?
[21:33] <brohan> yes
[21:33] <brohan> and just /home
[21:33] <brohan> well /bjrohan
[21:33] <brohan> home/bjrohan
[21:34] <pepee> well, I'd just try it
[21:34] <brohan> try to restore it to the same directory
[21:34] <pepee> if something goes wrong, redo all the process
[21:34] <brohan> do you think the kde config will mess up my display again?
[21:34] <brohan> that will take hours
[21:35] <brohan> but if you are over 50% sure I can restore backup fine I will give it a go
[21:37] <brohan> If I may, what did we do this time that kept my display issues from happening than I did on my own?
[21:41] <brohan> I am just asking so I can learn, to fish vs being fed once :-)
[21:42] <zzillezz> i'm getting a black screen after a successful install of ubuntu gnome remix 12.10 beta :(
[21:43] <pepee> zzillezz, do you know how to use the grub manager at boot?
[21:44] <pepee> brohan, if it does, you can always fix it
[21:45] <brohan> true
[21:45] <brohan> Now in KDE I can't find the standard Muon Package manager
[21:46] <zzillezz> pepee, what's there to do besides selecting Ubuntu ?
[21:46] <pepee> brohan, its  called apper I think, but I'm not sure
[21:48] <pepee> zzillezz, in grub, press e and remove "quiet splash", then press ctrl+x
[21:51] <zzillezz> pepee, it stops again at Booting Node 0, Processors #1
[21:51] <pepee> does it show some error message or somthing?
[21:51] <pepee> *something
[21:52] <zzillezz> nope :(
[21:53] <pepee> zzillezz, what cpu?
[21:53] <pepee> zzillezz, a workaround:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/100721/ubuntu-11-10-64-bit-wont-start-after-i-upgrade-it-possible-procesor-problems
[21:55] <zzillezz> alright, i'll have a read thanks pepee
[21:55] <pepee> zzillezz, what cpu?
[21:55] <zzillezz> i was running xubuntu 12.10 without problems ... core i3
[21:55] <brohan> pepee, do you recommend I restore then install my software (gimp, scribus) or install then restore?
[21:56] <pepee> zzillezz, just add "maxcpus=1"  to that line, and file a bug report.
[21:56] <pepee> brohan, not sure, sorry
[21:56] <pepee> but I'd restore and install
[21:57] <zzillezz> the line in grub where i deleted quiet splash ?
[21:57] <pepee> yes zzillezz
[21:57] <brohan> ok
[21:57] <pepee> brohan, that if it's the configs in /home
[21:57] <brohan> they are
[21:57] <brohan> Thanks :-)
[21:59] <pepee> zzillezz, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1706348
[21:59] <pepee> zzillezz, ^it says the solution is to upgrade your BIOS
[22:00] <zzillezz> no bios updates available i'm afraid ...
[22:00] <pepee> read that thread, could be helpful
[22:00] <zzillezz> can i change the keyboard layout of grub ?
[22:00] <zzillezz> can't find the = since i'm not using qwerty
[22:02] <pepee> not sure zzillezz, never did that
[22:03] <zzillezz> found it :)
[22:04] <zzillezz> it's booting now ... let's see if it's working on all cores
[23:05] <brohan> pepee, IT WORKED did the restore, rebooted all is well
[23:05] <brohan> now time to install the apps
[23:06] <pepee> cool brohan
[23:06] <brohan> And . .  it looks like it brought over some of my old config settings
[23:07] <brohan> although need to update 3rd party dock etc. Thank you so much for your help.
[23:07] <pepee> you are welcome
[23:09] <brohan> Now to add old preferred software etc.


[06:24] <Kilos> o/
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[08:41] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[09:11] <popey> dpm / davidcalle: do you know if we plan to document running apps under XMir at any point soon?
[09:12] <popey> or indeed packging x apps for running under XMir on devices
[09:12] <dpm> I don't know what the status is, the best person to ask is bregma
[09:15] <popey> ok
[09:19] <davidcalle> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Libertine
[09:19] <popey> oooh! Docs!
[09:19] <popey> thanks
[09:19] <popey> ♥
[09:19] <davidcalle> np ;)
[09:26] <dpm> nice one davidcalle
[09:27] <dpm> we really need to pull together the different ways of packaging and running apps on 16.04...
[09:39] <dpm> popey, davidcalle, does thht reflect the combinations on the 16.04 desktop and what we need to document? http://pad.ubuntu.com/8Jmx2TJGMu
[09:41] <davidcalle> dpm: omg, yes
[09:42] <dpm> :)
[09:46] <popey> holy crap
[09:46] <popey> I mean, "yes"
[15:01] <balloons> btw dpm, re: gci/gsoc. Some points to note. We've filed the PO now for the 7k, so it should be coming. Also, I'll forward you the feedback from google about our GSOC application. Finally, we need to handle billing for Pasi. At the moment he is out the funds for his ticket, I'm not sure how we want to reimburse him
[15:01] <balloons> by that I mean, I'm not sure how much to bill Google for -- perhaps they have a per diem so we can know the total cost right now
[15:02] <balloons> and presumably, we're 'ok' with using community funds to reimburse until we get the money from google or no?
[15:03] <dpm> balloons, sounds sensible, but we've got a team call later on, perhaps we can use a few minutes to talk about it in detail
[15:05] <knome> balloons, i have a list of the max amounts they will reimburse on certain meals
[15:05] <knome> balloons, in addition they will reimburse some meals without limit (aiui), as well as traveling to/from airports
[15:06] <balloons> knome, ohh excellent. It would be nice if we could file for funds right now -- I don't think there's anything stopping us if we have those amounts right?
[15:06] <balloons> hmmm
[15:06] <knome> balloons, i'll fwd you the related parts of the mail
[15:06] <knome> just a sec..
[15:06] <balloons> ty
[15:09] <knome> ok done
[15:10] <knome> so it isn't implied explicitly that they want receipts for all money spent, but i would think that's what they want since they mention "up to X"
[15:10] <knome> apart from the meals during the travel on airports
[15:11] <knome> again, it's not a problem for me to spend the money and get the reimbursement back after that
[15:12] <knome> balloons, ^
[15:13] <balloons> knome, ok. It seemed like we were supposed to bill google right away, but if we're not until afterwards, that makes sense
[15:13] <knome> i think they are expecting you to do it twice; once for the flights and second time for the other expenses
[17:07] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone - I'm calling it a day!
[18:01] <dpm> marcoceppi, when you've got a minute, could you tell us how to do a manual update of the ubucon.org site? I'm not sure how the whole charm fits together, and we want to do some code changes in preparation for ubucon europe
[18:27] <dpm> ok, calling it a day, what a week! Have a great weekend everyone


[08:24] <trijntje> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27948
[08:25] <trijntje> How hard would it be to find out what percentage of a program is translated? For many programs launchpad knows, but what about applications that are translated elsewhere?
[10:46] <trijntje> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27948
[10:46] <trijntje> How hard would it be to find out what percentage of a program is translated? For many programs launchpad knows, but what about applications that are translated elsewhere?
[10:47] <andrejz> @trijntje: i think it would be best if .po files in the packages would be parsed directly
[10:49] <trijntje> andrejz, are .po files included in the packages? I thought only .mo files were used
[10:49] <andrejz> when a program is packaged, the .po files in the package could be examined for translated, fuzzy and untranslated strings
[10:49] <andrejz> that data could be fed into software center somehow
[10:50] <andrejz> i think that's much easier that looking through various upstream homepages / statistics
[10:50] <trijntje> but it would require all packagers to alter their workflow, would it not?


[04:31]  * Symmetria spends some sicko amount of money on some adobe software
[05:51] <Squirm> hi
[06:16] <magespawn> morning all
[17:26] <Kilos> hmm where ubuntulog  came from
[17:27] <Kilos> is it a logbot kinda thing
[17:27] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:29] <Squirm> could be Freenodes logging
[17:29] <Squirm> no, nevermind :P
[17:31] <Squirm> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com
[17:39] <superfly> Kilos: I will do my best
[17:39] <Kilos> ty superfly
[17:39] <Kilos> hi tempodivalse
[17:50] <Squirm> Kilos: much luck with that broadband thing?
[17:55] <Kilos> hi smile
[17:56] <smile> hi :)
[17:56] <Kilos> brb
[18:16] <smile> Kilos: wb :)
[18:16] <Kilos> ty smile
[18:17] <smile> yw :)
[18:17]  * smile is happy
[18:25] <Kilos> why smile ?
[18:26] <Kilos> you are always happy
[18:26] <smile> Kilos: I went to see my gf :)
[18:26] <Kilos> ah
[18:27] <smile> Kilos: she was very cute ;)
[18:27] <smile> :)
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> young love
[18:27] <smile> yeah :)
[18:28] <smile> Kilos: French kiss! :D
[18:31] <Kilos> you a naughty boy
[18:31] <smile> lol :)
[18:31] <smile> Kilos: you got me :o
[18:32] <smile> bye, have to go
[18:32] <smile> good night :)
[18:59] <zeref> hurrrmmm
[19:01] <zeref> so a friend of mine decided to compress his harddrive, stopped it half way, rebooted his comp
[19:02] <zeref> now on boot up he get BPTFZ is compressed error
[19:02] <zeref> (windows 7) anybody heard of this, cant find anything on google
[19:03] <Kilos> eish with windows you dont stop anything halfway
[19:04] <Kilos> because it can never find its way back again
[19:04] <Kilos> tell him to do a recovery
[19:05] <Kilos> i dunno if it works same as xp, you boot from cd then go install then get to recovery
[19:08] <zeref> he doesnt have a cd :/
[19:08] <Kilos> eish
[19:08] <Kilos> is there nothing online about doing a recovery without cd
[19:08] <Kilos> oh wait
[19:09] <zeref> whats strang is that, is if google "BPTFZ is compressed "
[19:09] <Kilos> chkdsk
[19:09] <zeref> i dont get any results
[19:09] <Kilos> but does it not boot paste that ?
[19:09] <Kilos> past\
[19:09] <zeref> nope
[19:10] <Kilos> so its stopping halfway in booting
[19:10] <Kilos> whew
[19:10] <Kilos> where is he
[19:10] <Kilos> noone near with a cd?
[19:11] <Kilos> there should be a way to boot to command line
[19:11] <Kilos> then run chkdsk
[19:12] <Kilos> Squirm, see if you can find something about running chkdsk when booting
[19:13] <Squirm> you'd have to have a bootdisk
[19:13] <Squirm> or take out the hdd and plug it into another pc, then run chkdsk from there
[19:14] <Kilos> doesnt it even get to safemode before booting
[19:14] <zeref> i put an ubuntu cd to see what was on his drive, there is a file called BPTFZ there, i thought about deleting it....
[19:14] <Squirm> zeref: have you tried safe mode? though to me it sounds like nothing would work
[19:14] <Kilos> in safemode you should be able to get to command prompt and do chkdsk
[19:14] <zeref> Squirm: does not even get that far
[19:15] <Squirm> if I think of a half compressed drive, I wouldn't believe any OS would run.
[19:15] <Kilos> hmm
[19:15] <Squirm> zeref: you're going to have to find windows, a boot cd or slave the hdd in another machine
[19:15] <Kilos> doesnt hitting f8 or 10 or space or something while booting get you to command line
[19:16] <Squirm> Kilos: even if he got there, I still think it wouldn't work. I don't think windows would run off a half compressed drive
[19:16] <zeref> i told him to find a win cd, it's on a lappy
[19:17] <Squirm> if it's a new lappy, it's easy enough to take it out. the sata connections are the same as a desktops
[19:17] <Kilos> eish
[19:17] <zeref>  lappy > 4 yrs
[19:18] <Squirm> hmm
[19:18] <zeref> but Squirm, ever heard of BPTFZ?
[19:18] <Kilos> give him a buntu cd and tell him install
[19:18] <Squirm> zeref: nope
[19:19] <zeref> lol
[19:20] <Kilos> with ubuntu alongside you can move all the important data off
[19:20] <zeref> ummm, he doesnt want to fiddle with computers
[19:21] <zeref> sooo buntu might not be the best option
[19:21] <Squirm> zeref: I know you probably have checked. but are you sure it's BPTFZ?
[19:21] <Squirm> cause like you said. I can't find anything on it
[19:21] <zeref> yeap, checked 3 times just to make sure as well
[19:22] <Kilos> then noly way is to slave it by a friend and run chkdsk or get a cd and recover or reinstall
[19:22] <Kilos> or take to pc shop and pay
[19:22] <Kilos> they arent cheap either
[19:23] <Squirm> a windows repair might do the trick
[19:23] <Kilos> with?
[19:23] <Squirm> though I think you need to somehow start the compression from where it left off
[19:23] <Squirm> Kilos: he can't do anything until he finds a cd
[19:24] <Kilos> where is he
[19:24] <zeref> Squirm: when i booted of ubuntu to check the contents of his drive, there was a small file called BPTFZ
[19:24] <zeref> delete it?
[19:24] <Kilos> delete it
[19:24] <Kilos> lol
[19:24] <Squirm> umm
[19:24] <Squirm> backup
[19:25] <zeref> Kilos: same res.
[19:25] <Squirm> so if it makes things worse, you can put it back
[19:25] <Kilos> there must be someone there with a cd
[19:25] <Kilos> them big places with lotsa peeps
[19:25] <zeref> Kilos: he is asking around, said he'll get back to me when he finds one.
[19:25] <Kilos> good
[19:26] <zeref> most peeps have xp cd's :/
[19:26] <Kilos> there is lots online about win7 not booting and how to repair
[19:26] <Squirm> zeref: res net?
[19:26] <Squirm> Kilos: but is there anything on having a half compressed drive?
[19:27] <zeref> Squirm:
[19:27] <zeref> ?
[19:27] <Kilos> cant member seeing anything like that
[19:27] <Squirm> zeref: download it off res net?
[19:27] <zeref> oh, we dont have that
[19:28] <zeref> asked the res manager if we could create one, said no :/
[19:28] <Kilos> eish peeps are so helpful
[19:29] <Kilos> methinks best moves are repair recovery or install to same drive again once you got a cd
[19:30] <Kilos> normally when you install to same place it keeps whatever extras you had
[19:30] <zeref> yep, i think thats the best option. so will wait....
[19:31] <Kilos> night guys. sleep warm
[19:31] <zeref> ciao Kilos
[19:31] <Kilos> sorrywe cant help zeref
[19:31] <Kilos> nag nuvolari lekker aslaap
[19:32] <Squirm> I think you're going to have a problem
[19:32] <zeref> ?
[19:32] <Squirm> I know backing up is a schlep, I probably also wouldn't do it. but I have absolutely no idea how a repair would work out
[19:34] <zeref> hmm, he did say he would do a fresh install, if it came to that, since he does not anything important on the drive
[19:34] <zeref>  *have
[19:35] <Squirm> if a repair fails, I can't see another way
[19:44] <Squirm> well, good luck. let me know how it turns out, I'm curious
[19:44] <Squirm> gnight


[00:20] <karora> snail: I saw a simple book digitisation device last year that was using relatively cheap digital cameras, much smaller than the bookdrive but a similar concept.
[00:39] <snail> karora: there are a number of very, very cheap designs out there. five years ago when we bought ours it was considered very, very cheap too, but things have moved on.
[00:40] <karora> Certainly seems like the right general approach to the job.
[00:42] <snail> the main trick is that if you can about colour reproducibility you need eliminate secondary sources of light and let your bulbs warm up before you start
[00:42] <karora> The enhancements in the 'pro' version would seem well worthwhile for a professional environment, but I'd find it hard to see why you would not do the basic job with DSLRs.
[00:43] <snail> karora: most of the 'pro' versions use DSLRs too. they're just so cheap, reliable and interchangeable.
[19:41] <snail> morning all
[19:41] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:44] <snail> sometimes i really wish nautilus didn't copy USB drives by first building an in-memory list of every file on the drive...
[19:44] <snail> my copy is still going from last night
[19:45] <snail> and taking up so much memory that my PC is almost unusable for anything but IRC
[20:00] <ojwb> morning
[20:31] <ajmitch> morning
[21:22] <snail> does someone know of a nice scriptable commandline tool for putting metadata into PDFs?
[21:26] <Aginor> isn't there a really good pdf library for python?
[21:26] <Aginor> it isn't exactly command line, but it is very scriptable
[21:27] <ajmitch> reportlab?
[21:29] <Atamira> rmorning
[21:33] <ojwb> snail: pdftk?
[21:34] <snail> ojwb: thanks, looking into pdftk now
[21:35] <ojwb> don't think i've used it to set metadata but I have for other stuff
[21:36] <ojwb> says it can do it anyway
[22:03] <snail> looks like perl's Image::ExifTool is the perfect storm for editing PDF (and other image formats) metadata
[23:15] <hads> Anyone think I should sell these; http://www.fit-pc.com/web/
[23:17] <ajmitch> hads: they look like they could be good, what sort of price though?
[23:19] <chilts> hads: I got one a few years ago, they're nice ... but I had nice problems getting the video card working with my old monitor
[23:19] <chilts> it was weird
[23:19] <chilts> but they are nice machines
[23:23] <hads> They would be around $600 for the base model I think, so not super cheap.
[23:23] <hads> chilts: Weird, what type of problems?
[23:23] <hads> Got offered the NZ distribution but wondering whether it's worth commiting $10k to it.
[23:24] <ajmitch> that's quite a cost
[23:26] <chilts> it just took a while and someone else poking it to work ... I wasn't sure what they did in the end
[23:26] <chilts> I'm happy to send you it for evaluation, remembering that this is an older model
[23:27] <hads> Thanks, I think they are going to send an eval model anyway
[23:28] <hads> ajmitch: The $600 or the $10k
[23:28] <ojwb> looks a neat box
[23:28] <ajmitch> hads: $10k :)
[23:28] <hads> Yeah, that bit is :)
[23:28] <ajmitch> you'd need to sell a few to get that back
[23:29] <ojwb> $600 doesn't seem too bad by NZ prices
[23:29] <hads> Just from the minimum distributor order
[23:29] <ojwb> to that's $10K of stock rather than buy the rights?
[23:29] <hads> Yeah
[23:29] <ajmitch> ok, not so bad
[23:29] <ajmitch> $10K up front just to buy the distribution rights would be too steep
[23:30] <hads> Indeed, I don't buy rights.
[23:30] <hads> Yeah, just a gamble on how these type of things sell.
[23:30] <ojwb> so it's a case of can you sell a few dozen in a reasonable time I guess
[23:30] <hads> Yup
[23:32] <hads> The thing that attracted me was that they come OS-less or with Linux Mint which is nice.
[23:34] <ojwb> i'm not in the market for something like that (currently anyway), but if I was, it looks a good option
[23:37] <hads> Thanks, it's helpful to get feedback
[23:41] <ibeardslee> hmmm I could think of a number of uses for things like that .. although the budget disagrees
[23:41] <hads> heh
[23:42] <ibeardslee> more CPU and RAM than my existing home server
[23:44] <hads> A big draw for me is the <10W power usage.
[23:44] <ajmitch> yeah, that & being fanless is what I like
[23:45] <ajmitch> I was looking at the pc engines kit as an option for an AP & router, something like this could probably do a similar job & have power to do other stuff
[23:46] <hads> Yeah, the atom CPU has plenty of power for lots of things.
[23:46] <ajmitch> not really a gaming box though :)
[23:47] <hads> Not enough power for plenty of things too :)


[00:00] <genii-around> tgrundle: I'm curious if this is some Samsung?
[00:02] <tgrundle> genii-around: no, Asus M3A78-CM board with AMD CPU
[00:04] <genii-around> tgrundle: Ah, OK. I just saw earlier a bug with Samsung in EFI mode where the power button stops working and wondering if same issue.
[00:19] <Bluefoxicy> oi vey!
[00:19] <Bluefoxicy> they went and released Puppet 3.1 today!
[00:19] <Bluefoxicy> and here i am trying to get Puppet 3.0.2 pulled into Raring!
[00:20] <Bluefoxicy> well they didn't get Volcane's stuff in so eh, not that major.
[04:41] <gnomefreak> yay!!!! i fixed the grub theme without even trying except update-aternatives :)
[05:34] <gnomefreak> anyone being able to set screensavers in raring? or themes/
[05:34] <gnomefreak> themes?
[09:49] <rye> Every time I plug in my android phone I get a Ubuntu Core Installer started... I am pretty sure my phone would never support Ubuntu so why does it start? The phone is in developer mode, yes.
[10:11] <gry> Hi, where can I find what will be new in a next release please?
[10:27] <IdleOne> !schedule
[10:30] <gry> IdleOne: thanks, that's the dates for *freeze or similar. I am looking for what new features would be or what the new version is focusing on. And I don't see those on the page you linked?
[10:31] <IdleOne> gry: yeah, I thought there was a link to new features on that page
[10:31] <IdleOne> I'm not sure where to find that info
[10:32] <alankila> it would be lovely for me if qemu 1.3.1 would land into raring. It has a feature I desperately want, the ability to trim guest disks when backed by sparse files on the host
[10:35] <IdleOne> gry: I suppose you could check the blueprints on launchpad for 13.04
[10:37] <alankila> oh man it doesn't actually. It was put into qemu git after 1.3.0 was released but I guess 1.3.0 is not getting the newest stuff
[10:37] <alankila> or 1.3.x isn't getting the newest stuff
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:11] <drhalan> anybody can recommend a filemanager for raring? nautlius 3.6 is just painful
[13:18] <Tribaal> drhalan: what do you mean?
[13:19] <drhalan> Tribaal: well I miss the tabbed browsing for example. I was using marlin in quantal from a PPA but I would prefer something that is in the repos...
[13:21] <Tribaal> drhalan: hum sorry - I tile my windows so never needed tab browsing to work :( Did you try Nemo? It's from a PPA but I heard nice things of it http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/how-to-install-nemo-file-manager-in.html
[13:21] <Tribaal> just my 2c
[13:22] <drhalan> I was just wondering. If Nautilus stays the default we should maybe provide an alternative from the repos at least
[13:22] <drhalan> there are so many naulius 3.4 forks, thats the problem
[13:22] <drhalan> nautilus*
[13:24] <BluesKaj> well, if you don't mind some kdelibs , dolphin is great , drhalan
[13:24] <drhalan> i don't
[13:24] <drhalan> thanks for the tip
[13:27] <drhalan> o.O i cannot set the default file manager in the default applications?
[23:01] <filippo_> hi guys, first time for me here...I'd need help with Ubntu 13.04 installation on nexus 7 anyone?
[23:02] <filippo_> using the installer I end up with a prompt asking me for a localhost login. I can't figure out how to continue
[23:02] <filippo_> anyone?
[23:26] <filippo_> using the installer I end up with a prompt asking me for a localhost login. I can't figure out how to continue
[23:27] <IdleOne> filippo_: that is ARM right>?
[23:27] <ikonia> can you provide more detail ?
[23:31] <filippo_> yes it is arm
[23:32] <filippo_> I just followed the gui by the installer
[23:32] <filippo_> with ubuntu 12.10 everything went fine but with 13.04 once flashed the image
[23:32] <filippo_> the nexus reboot
[23:33] <filippo_> and end up with this weird prompt that's all i know


[06:28] <hackurx> please make "ubuntu pro" with ubuntu LTS + Mate desktop + compiz + Firefox + thunderbird ! This is the end of Windows XP, it's time to release a simple, light version for businesses. Follow the model of the desktop version 10.04.
[13:56] <tvoss_> slangasek, ping
[13:59]  * apw waits
[13:59] <tvoss_> apw, likewise
[14:00]  * xnox o/
[14:01] <tvoss_> apw, xnox slangasek is trying to start the hangout
[14:04] <slangasek> 'snot working so well
[14:04] <slangasek> ah, looks like it might be a pulseaudio issue of some kind; let's see if I can jumpstart it
[14:07] <slangasek> tvoss_, apw, xnox: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d525b6d071a23950810c98c7af9a26800980efa1
[14:08] <slangasek> sforshee: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/d525b6d071a23950810c98c7af9a26800980efa1
[14:08] <tvoss_> sforshee, wanna join us?
[14:09] <sforshee> tvoss_: I doubt I'll have much to say, but if I find that I do I'll hop in
[14:09] <danjared> has the video feed started?
[14:09] <xnox> yes.
[14:10] <danjared> oh, it just started playing
[14:22] <xnox> tvoss_: try http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-foundations-1308-revocable-memory ?
[14:22] <xnox> direct, cause it works for me.
[14:30] <alecu> I can't understand the word. Is it "brace" ?
[14:32] <tvoss_> alecu, yeah, brace :)
[14:32] <tvoss_> xnox, hah, that works
[14:32] <alecu> so, will this mean that each access to this memory has to go thru userspace code to check that the memory is still available?
[14:33] <alecu> As I understand it, CPU page faults seems like a better model than checking each access in userspace
[14:34] <alecu> QUESTION: ^ (sorry, if this has been discussed, I missed the first 10 minutes of the session)
[14:38] <arges> so is this API going to be an opt-in kind of thing? For example will existing programs that use libc/malloc just have non-revocable memory?
[14:38] <alecu> perhaps it makes sense to have a list of use cases for how client side apps will use this?
[14:39] <xnox> arges: yeah, .... and getting killed by the OOM-killer
[14:39] <arges> xnox: gotcha. so the ones using revocable memory will have memory de-allocated more gracefully
[14:40] <xnox> arges: so I guess high-memory using apps will opt into "kill my caches instead of killing all of me"
[14:40] <sforshee> arges: I suspect reclaiming revocable memory would be something that the kernel would invoke at an earlier stage than OOM
[14:40] <sforshee> so OOM killer would only kick in if not enough memory could be reclaimed
[14:41] <arges> so first we try to reclaim memory, if that still doesn't work then we OOM kill
[14:41] <sforshee> that's my guess, I haven't studied the proposed implementations in detail
[14:43] <alecu> well, large sound files, and bitmaps can be memory mapped instead directly from storage, and that does not need this kind of revocable memory
[14:44] <alecu> this kind of memory needs to be somehow "rebuilt" each time
[14:45] <alecu> oh, the session finished :-(
[14:45] <slangasek> tvoss_: ^^
[14:46] <tvoss_> alecu, yeah, sorry, happy to continue it here :)
[14:46] <tvoss_> alecu, yup, the idea is that the application provides a re-init handler
[14:46] <alecu> ah, good
[14:47] <alecu> then perhaps I'm not getting the right idea on how the "braces" would work
[14:47] <alecu> but I'm happy to wait for more doc, I'll keep watching the blueprint.
[14:48] <alecu> This was a very interesting session, from my userspace POV, thanks a lot for having it!
[14:48] <tvoss_> alecu, yup
[14:48] <slangasek> alecu: the braces indicate the section where the objects are "in use" and should not be freed by the kernel out from under the app.  But outside those braces, the memory can be freed at any time, which means when *entering* the braced section, the app may need a callback to recreate the objects
[14:48] <tvoss_> alecu, thanks for your questions. and as I said: I need to have a play with the api, too :)
[14:49] <alecu> slangasek: ah, I understand it now. Thanks!
[14:57] <zyga> how do I get the hangout started, do I do it or does the track lead do it?
[14:57] <tvoss_> zyga, usually the track lead
[14:58] <zyga> thanks
[14:58] <roadmr> hey
[14:59] <seb128> hey
[14:59] <seb128> next session starts in 6 minutes
[14:59] <seb128> the hangout is open: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4f360dd2df74af68b7df94cd0bb4204570efbf4a?authuser=0
[14:59] <seb128> I'm away a few minutes but don't worry, back to start the stream in 5 mins
[15:00] <zyga> roadmr, ara, spineau: ^^
[15:05] <seb128> http://youtu.be/jpd4guGqhSo
[15:05] <seb128> ^ cast url
[15:34] <bladernr> is this where I ask you to fix server? ;-)
[15:35] <bladernr> three sets: things that are server specific set for checkbox-cli, things that are desktop are set for checkbox-qt and things that apply to both to the checkbox meta package
[15:36] <bladernr> python3 stuff would be for both
[15:37] <bladernr> we could go back to where "checkbox" has jobs that are universal and checkbox-qt would have desktop jobs and checkbox-cli would have server jobs... like we used to do with cehckbox, checkbox-ready and checkbox-cert
[15:37] <ara> bladernr, why don't you join the hangout? ;-)
[15:40] <spineau> bladernr: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/4f360dd2df74af68b7df94cd0bb4204570efbf4a?authuser=0
[16:03] <beuno> o/
[16:03] <beuno> link?  :)
[16:03] <slangasek> shortly
[16:04] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/896ceb8c962fa06a273acfe7b451cb8cfa4a31f7
[16:07] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/896ceb8c962fa06a273acfe7b451cb8cfa4a31f7
[16:07] <slangasek> beuno: ^^
[16:07] <sergiusens> slangasek: is there room for me?
[16:07] <cjwatson> plenty
[16:08] <slangasek> sergiusens: always! don't be shy :)
[16:08] <cjwatson> we have 5
[16:09] <xnox> live \o/
[16:09] <wellsb> The session I've been waiting for
[16:09] <dholbach> previous session notes: http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1308-community-1308-qml-extensions
[16:10] <alecu> o/
[16:11] <cjwatson> if somebody could take notes, that would be helpful
[16:12] <beuno> alecu, how easy would it be to pass in the architecture from the scope to filter?
[16:12] <lool> joining slowly
[16:12] <alecu> beuno: from the scope to the webservice? I think it would be trivial
[16:13] <dholbach> would http://paste.ubuntu.com/6039969/ be a reasonable summary of what would need to happen to make this work generally? or can anyone else see anything that's missing?
[16:14] <alecu> dholbach: sounds reasonable, yes
[16:19] <jdstrand> fyi, evilapp might be a good realworld use case. ie, I'm waiting for what is decided here before applying for it to be in the app store
[16:19] <xnox> cjwatson: bin/x86_64-linux-gnu/hello    &     lib/x86_64-linu-gnu/libhello.so
[16:19] <jdstrand> I'm happy to work with people to test things with it
[16:20] <xnox> jdstrand: what's the evilapp?
[16:20] <xnox> jdstrand: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/896ceb8c962fa06a273acfe7b451cb8cfa4a31f7
[16:20] <jdstrand> xnox: it is something that makes sure that various parts of application confinement are working correctly
[16:20] <xnox> ah, ack.
[16:20] <xnox> jdstrand: your team "app" =)
[16:20] <jdstrand> I'll join if I need to. at this point I don't think I have anything to add
[16:21] <jdstrand> xnox: yes :)
[16:21] <cjwatson> xnox: e.g., yeah
[16:22] <jdstrand> lool: we already do that
[16:22] <xnox> cjwatson: note the bin/ arch qualified, which well doesn't exists in normal multiarch yet.
[16:23] <lool> jdstrand: cool
[16:23] <jdstrand> lool: we verify the arch as its declared all over. is is in the lint check
[16:23] <jdstrand> (ie, filename, DEBIAN/*, etc)
[16:23] <cjwatson> xnox: right, but that's partly due to problems that don't exist with click ($PATH)
[16:24] <xnox> true.
[16:26] <xnox> cjwatson: click mk-sbuild =)
[16:27] <beedub> sbuild chroots can persist
[16:27]  * xnox laptop arrived! =)
[16:28] <cjwatson> beedub: oh, indeed.  I think we might even be able to use sbuild or at least some of its libraries
[16:29] <cjwatson> (I have sbuild commit access)
[16:29] <beedub> cjwatson: i will have to keep that in mind :)
[16:29] <beedub> (that you have commit)
[16:30] <cjwatson> for my sins
[16:38] <doko> cjwatson, plus todos for build systems
[16:38] <doko> qmake ...
[16:38] <xnox> doko: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/896ceb8c962fa06a273acfe7b451cb8cfa4a31f7
[16:39] <cjwatson> doko: right
[16:44]  * sergiusens never had issues with cmake for x-compile
[16:45] <doko> if the cmake modules are cleanly written for cross builds ...
[16:45] <cjwatson> cmake modules do sometimes need some work, indeed, but that's more tractable
[16:46] <cjwatson> (a lot of them try to outsmart the compiler and turn out not to be as smart)
[16:46] <cjwatson> fixing it is often a matter of deleting code :-)
[16:46] <cjwatson> (ok, I simplify slightly)
[16:47] <xnox> doko: depends what sdk generates.... and at the moment it doesn't have it.
[16:50] <cjwatson> xnox: is what I wrote in the pad right?
[16:52] <xnox> cjwatson: yes.
[16:52] <slangasek> xnox: note that doko and tvoss_ have also been doing some work around cross-buildability of cmake projects for the daily-release stacks, please check that you're aligned with anything they're doing and we don't wind up with duplicated cmake abstractions everywhere :)
[16:52] <xnox> slangasek: ack.
[16:52] <bzoltan> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/trunk/files/head:/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/ubuntu/backend/
[16:53] <tvoss_> doko, did you have a chance to look at the mir cmake modules?
[16:53] <jdstrand> cjwatson: that would be via the architecture field in the manifest, or something new?
[16:53] <bzoltan> xnox: ^^^
[16:53] <xnox> bzoltan: yeap.
[16:54] <doko> tvoss_, no, not yet
[16:54] <xnox> tvoss_: slangasek: are the cross-compile cmake achievements, daily landed yet? e.g. dpkg-buildpackage -aarmhf builds stuff?
[16:55] <xnox> tvoss_: doko: are the cross-compile cmake achievements, daily landed yet? e.g. dpkg-buildpackage -aarmhf builds stuff?
[16:55] <xnox> slangasek: unping.
[16:55] <tvoss_> xnox, don't know tbh, but mir is cross-compiled for every commit
[16:55] <xnox> tvoss_: cool.
[16:55] <tvoss_> xnox, would need to check the jenkins job
[16:55] <slangasek> tvoss_: where do we find the jenkins job? :)
[16:55] <tvoss_> xnox, there are some setup scripts to bootstrap a chroot in there, too
[16:55] <cjwatson> jdstrand: probably need to extend it to be multivalued
[16:55] <xnox> tvoss_: if you can send me a link to the job, that would be nice. I suspect it might be in the other jenkins instance(s) i don't usually see =)
[16:56] <tvoss_> slangasek, if I only knew ;) somewhere in limbo :)
[16:56] <slangasek> heh
[16:56] <jdstrand> cjwatson: right, that was what I was going to mention
[16:56] <xnox>  =)))))
[16:56] <tvoss_> xnox, true
[16:56] <doko> xnox, tvoss_ is speaking about cross builds using a chroot.  the unity package itself cross builds (with a few hacks)
[16:56] <cjwatson> jdstrand: the current one is basically a placeholder which is why it's undocumented
[16:56] <slangasek> sergiusens: ^^ do you know how to find the jenkins config for the daily-release mir build?
[16:56]  * jdstrand nods
[16:56] <wellsb> If this is not available before the showdown ends, we'll need some help getting compiled apps into .click for the store.  Should be fairly easy since we can just build on device in the interim. We just need documentation for the process
[16:57] <jdstrand> yes, there is some degree of urgency due to the showdown. several people seemed to indicate wanted C++ from what I've read on the mailing list
[16:58] <jdstrand> s/wanted/wanting/
[16:58] <cjwatson> when's the end of the showdown
[16:58] <cjwatson> ?
[16:58] <jdstrand> dholbach: ^ ?
[16:59] <cjwatson> for those of us who don't religiously read the community team's many blog posts :-)
[16:59]  * cjwatson has trouble keeping up sometimes
[16:59] <wellsb> 15 Sept
[16:59] <cjwatson> hm, not completely implausible but not sure
[16:59] <cjwatson> may require some assembly
[16:59] <sergiusens> slangasek: one sec
[17:00] <jdstrand> I think it would be sufficient that if people can build locally on the target device, and that the app store can handle _armhf.click files fine, and there is documentation on how to do that, then probably ok
[17:00] <bzoltan> I like the bell
[17:00] <slangasek> :)
[17:00] <xnox> dholbach: mk-sbuild --arch armhf
[17:01] <jdstrand> some-assembly-required seems reasonable so long as it is documented :)
[17:01] <sergiusens> slangasek: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/trunk/view/head:/stacks/head/mir.cfg#L27
[17:01] <slangasek> xnox: ^^
[17:01] <wellsb> Yes, that's no problem.  We just need documentation
[17:01] <wellsb> For the structure of a .click
[17:01] <sergiusens> it's not really a config
[17:01] <jdstrand> I actually use a diffenent method. so long as its documented :)
[17:02] <xnox> bzoltan: =)
[17:02] <doko> xnox, London is not Europe ....
[17:02] <xnox> doko: ++
[17:02] <dholbach> awesome
[17:02] <jdstrand> wellsb: structure of click is not hard. put what you want to ship into a dir, cd to the dir and do 'click build .'
[17:02] <bzoltan> thanks guys
[17:02] <dholbach> thanks a bunch everyone - I'm super excited about this :-)
[17:02] <bzoltan> lots of progress, lots of work :)
[17:03] <alecu> lunch!
[17:03] <slangasek> sergiusens: "not really a config"?  well, I want to understand how the jenkins job invokes the mir build, and the goal is to minimize the amount of actual config in jenkins in favor of wrapping standard interfaces (dpkg-buildpackage) that can also be invoked locally
[17:03] <slangasek> so the less config, the better :)
[17:03] <cjwatson> and details of the structure are in click/doc/file-format.rst
[17:03] <slangasek> s/lunch/breakfast/!
[17:05] <wellsb> Good info.  Thanks
[17:05] <sergiusens> slangasek: ack, so this is piggybacking on didiers daily relase config
[17:06] <sergiusens> slangasek: xnox http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/Phablet/job/mir-autolanding/
[17:08] <sergiusens> you want to talk to fginther though, seems the setup for mir is outside of what we standarized on
[18:01] <beedub> slangasek: do you have a url yet?
[18:03] <slangasek> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5fd5313ab1492f07808af88c2a452bc0118e6491
[18:04] <stgraber> slangasek: can you send me the url?
[18:04] <slangasek> stgraber: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5fd5313ab1492f07808af88c2a452bc0118e6491
[18:05] <slangasek> lool: are you joining the OS updates session?
[18:06] <lool> slangasek: yes
[18:07] <dholbach> did the hangout start already?
[18:07] <lool> yes
[18:08] <dholbach> hum
[18:08] <lool> ah not the broadcastr no
[18:08] <stgraber> dholbach: nope, still off air, waiting for lool to join
[18:08] <dholbach> go go go :)
[18:12] <sergiusens> stgraber: you can phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel daily-proposed
[18:13] <cjwatson> "if we accidentally manage to get all the tests to pass"
[18:14] <apw> cjwatson, we should call the tool that :)  iwamtgattp
[18:15] <cjwatson> catchy
[18:15] <lool> cjwatson: lol
[18:15] <stgraber> well, looking at cdimage, the last two images that passed the tests were the one from the 22nd and the 28th, there was over a dozen images built between those two :)
[18:16] <slangasek> "passed" the tests
[18:16] <stgraber> and yeah, we call the resulting channel "daily" (the current day being of around 145 hours)
[18:19] <slangasek> right - but that's a problem that needs to be solved on the quality side ASAP, at which point we will have regular updates
[18:19] <ogra_> the last few days were crazy
[18:19] <ogra_> FF pressure etc
[18:20] <slangasek> that's mostly unrelated to the ongoing test failures
[18:20] <ogra_> so some bits went in with broken tests or changed underneath their tests
[18:20] <ogra_> (many actually)
[18:20] <slangasek> a lot of those tests have been failing intermittently for weeks
[18:20] <ogra_> only the community app ones
[18:20] <ogra_> we tend to ignore these ....
[18:21] <slangasek> ... which is broken
[18:21] <slangasek> they're part of the Touch install, they need to be tested, they need to pass their tests
[18:21] <ogra_> slangasek, well, the community apps are simply on a slower (volunteer) schedule
[18:22] <slangasek> then let's pull them out of the phone
[18:22] <slangasek> if they can't keep up with the basic quality requirements
[18:22] <ogra_> not my decision
[18:22] <sergiusens> +1
[18:22]  * ogra_ will happily change whats needed
[18:22] <ogra_> but i wont push comminuty stuff off the image :)
[18:22] <ogra_> unless i'm told so
[18:23] <slangasek> that was intended to be an outrageous strawman that you could shoot down, not a serious proposal people would agree to ;)
[18:23] <ogra_> hehe
[18:23] <slangasek> my actual point is, being "community" does not justify being held to a more lax standard
[18:23] <ogra_> it is indeed clear that the tests need fixing
[18:23] <ogra_> no but we dont hold the images back for community app breakage
[18:23] <slangasek> either they're not of a quality that should be included; or we are *collectively* responsible for making the tests pass
[18:24] <apw> slangasek, perhaps we need a touch+1-maint team
[18:24] <cjohnston> then they should be tested elsewhere
[18:24] <ogra_> they will be of the quality once we release ... might be that we included them prematurely
[18:25] <cjohnston> slangasek: IIRC there was talk at another session about changing the size of the partitions for the RO images. any idea on a timeframe for that?
[18:26] <slangasek> cjohnston: no, I hoped to have it done pre-UDS and I keep getting derailed :(
[18:26] <cjohnston> ok
[18:36] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_ro/
[18:37] <cjohnston> lool: what switch
[18:37] <lool> cjohnston: recommending ro images by default
[18:43] <alecu_lunch> group downloads is about to land on trunk, so I guess it might be on tomorrow's image
[18:45] <alecu> mandel: here
[18:48] <xnox> stgraber: dots that flash back & forth
[18:48] <xnox> =)
[18:49] <beedub> alecu, mandel: excellet
[18:57] <xnox> use hexadecimal.
[18:57] <xnox> =)
[18:57] <ogra_> octal !
[18:57] <xnox> stgraber: ^
[18:57] <xnox> also barry is not in the irc channel =((((
[18:58] <xnox> but then you will have shadow effect, as a few existing numbers have been already used in the 201308* space =)
[18:59] <apw> stgraber, you need an epoch
[19:00]  * ogra_ throws stuff at apw
[19:00] <apw> ogra_, tell me they are cookies and tins of beer
[19:00] <ogra_> you said the evil word !