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[01:04] <lduros> hello, where shall I write a comment about unity.ubuntu.com regarding a typo?
[01:04] <lduros> on the site?
[07:51] <didrocks> good morning
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:02] <davidcalle> Hi, good morning
[09:05] <htorque> good morning, everyone! is bug 750018 a bitesize one?
[09:51] <delac> trying to find out how to customize the Dash (menu opened from the top left Ubuntu logo). Trying to change the size and number of the icons as well as what applications are shown there.
[09:52] <delac> also, does anyone know what is the name of the package that includes the "media apps" and "internet apps" Lenses?
[10:41] <kim0> Hi folks, any idea why gnome-terminal is not beeping under unity
[12:18] <coz_>  good day all
[12:40] <kamstrup> kenvandine: u-l-g says http://paste.ubuntu.com/589219/
[13:46] <rdale> what's the best way to test unity-2d - does it run under xephyr?
[14:17] <om26er> JohnLea_, Hi! quick questions, whats the minimal screen pixels unity is designed for? also bugs reported for 800*600 screens are 'won't fix'?
[14:18] <om26er> bug 749632 for reference
[14:44] <lamalex> hey om26er and cdbs
[14:44] <cdbs> hi lamalex
[14:44] <om26er> hey lamalex
[14:44] <cdbs> lamalex: good morning, how are you?
[14:45] <lamalex> not bad, how were your weekend?
[14:45] <cdbs> lamalex: my weekend was over on Friday :) well, it was rockin', you was yours?
[14:45] <cdbs> s/you/how/
[15:19] <lamalex> i seem to have managed to royall screw my compiz..
[15:24] <lamalex> njpatel: what source file does the panel keybinding code live in?
[15:24] <lamalex> grep doesn't find XK_F10 any where but in quicklist keynav code
[15:30] <lamalex> nevermind, foudn it
[15:32] <om26er> gord, Hi! could you please comment/look into bug 748588 ? as I believe the tiles part is yours ;)
[15:35] <gord> om26er, sure - looks like the highlight isn't centred but the contents are, i'll assign to me
[15:36] <om26er> gord, thanks :)
[15:37] <tedg> klattimer, Is there a way in EDS to make the "full day" events work nicely?  Things like birthdays and anniversaries?
[15:37] <tedg> klattimer, They all show up at 7pm the day before for me, which I'm gussing is midnight UTC.
[15:37] <tedg> klattimer, I'm going to say happy birthday to someone the day before and make a fool of myself soon.  Please save me!
[15:37] <tedg> ;-)
[15:41] <klattimer> tedg: it'd take a lot of investigation to figure out if it's possible
[15:41] <klattimer> I don't think there's something as simple as a "all day event flag" from what I've seen
[15:41] <tedg> klattimer, Ah, bummer.  I was hoping there was something.
[15:42] <klattimer> tedg: just double checked and there's no e_cal_component_is_allday or similar :/
[15:44] <klattimer> tedg, it's weird that it doesn't convert midnight to midnight local time
[15:44] <klattimer> i'm assuming all the others have the right time?
[15:44] <tedg> klattimer, I guess we'd have to figure how Evo. UI does the detection and do the same then.
[15:44] <tedg> klattimer, Yeah, that is weird.  I bet it put it in as UTC?  Not sure why.
[15:44] <tedg> klattimer, This is the auto generated birthday calendar by Evo
[15:44] <klattimer> tedg: yeah, basically the API docs don't reflect reality, and the only relevant consumer is evolution
[15:45] <klattimer> so you have to 'use the source' to figure out everything :/
[15:45] <aruiz> loicm, ping
[15:46] <tedg> klattimer, Yeah, it'd like odt and LO ;-)
[15:46] <loicm> hi aruiz
[15:47] <aruiz> loicm, few questions, hi, are there any compiz bugs that are high prio and unnasigned?
[15:48] <lamalex> aruiz: launchpad is the easiest way to find that out
[15:48] <lamalex> aruiz: go to the advanced search and you should be able to limit your search to confirmed/triaged high pri bugs and probably just ones without assignees
[15:49] <aruiz> lamalex, I've been told to specifically ask loicm about this :-)
[15:49] <lamalex> ok
[15:50] <aruiz> lamalex, thanks though
[15:55] <loicm> aruiz: :)
[15:55] <loicm> artfwo: lamalex is right
[15:55] <artfwo> about what?
[15:56] <loicm> artfwo: sorry I meant aruiz ;)
[15:56] <artfwo> oh :)
[15:56] <loicm> aruiz: feel free to pick anything you feel you can tackle that's high priority
[15:59] <aruiz> loicm, okay
[15:59] <aruiz> loicm, the other thing is, I wrote a test case for the transient window problem in the unity decorator
[15:59] <aruiz> loicm, where should I commit that test case?
[16:12] <delac> trying to find out how to customize the Dash (menu opened from the top left Ubuntu logo). Trying to change the size and number of the icons as well as what applications are shown there.
[16:12] <delac> also, does anyone know what is the name of the package that includes the "media apps" and "internet apps" Lenses?
[16:13] <loicm> aruiz: I'm gonna figure that out, what bug # is it?
[16:13] <kenvandine> kamstrup, ok... i have reproduced the gwibber lens problem we talked about this morning with some print statements in the code and the daemon running in a terminal
[16:14] <kenvandine> none of the functions that happen on the notify events are getting called
[16:14] <kamstrup> kenvandine: ?! that explains why the model is not populated :-)
[16:15] <kenvandine> indeed...
[16:15] <kamstrup> so somewhere something is racing on the "synchronized" signal
[16:15] <aruiz> loicm, #736878
[16:17] <kenvandine> kamstrup, actually, on_section_change is getting called
[16:17] <kenvandine> none of the others
[16:19] <kenvandine> kamstrup, actually, i think that only gets called on active
[16:38] <loicm> aruiz: feel free to push that in a branch under your launchpad user, we'll try to group all the tests in the same repo later on
[16:38] <aruiz> loicm, sounds like a plan
[16:38] <loicm> aruiz: just link it to the bug request so that we can track it easily
[16:38] <aruiz> loicm, should I branch the compiz repo in launchpad or the git repo in git.compiz.org?
[16:38] <loicm> aruiz: the launchpad one for now
[16:39] <aruiz> great
[16:39] <aruiz> will do
[16:42] <gord> kenvandine, hey - any chance i could get more info on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/746432 ?
[16:45] <kenvandine> gord, i didn't get a stacktrace from it, weird on my laptop most of the unity crashes don't seem to dump crash files
[16:46] <kenvandine> gord, in my case it was one of the cached avatars from gwibber
[16:48] <kenvandine> gord, when i mentioned it to njpatel he wasn't surprised
[16:48] <gord> kenvandine, problem is right now i can't reproduce - no matter where i point the icon loading code. random 404's - broken links, wherever, it always works fine
[16:49] <kenvandine> gord, for file in ~/.cache/gwibber/avatars/*; do file $file;done |grep xHTML
[16:50] <kenvandine> i only got it from the cached files
[16:50] <kenvandine> not from urls to the images
[16:50] <kenvandine> right now i have only one
[16:50] <gord> kenvandine, hrm - are you sending file uri's to unity in the gwibber lens. or direct filepaths?
[16:50] <kenvandine> filepaths
[16:51] <kenvandine> would rather use the cached images
[16:51] <kenvandine> well, specifically i am calling the funtion in gwibber to cache them and produce the file path
[16:52] <kenvandine> so if it isn't already cached it gets cached and both the lens and gwibber will use it
[16:52] <kenvandine> gord, i have a file you can use to test
[16:52] <kenvandine> i clearly need to make gwibber smarter about it and not cache the 404
[16:53] <kenvandine> but regardless we don't want that to crash unity
[16:54] <kenvandine> gord, http://ubuntuone.com/p/ksV/
[16:54] <kenvandine> you can download that
[16:54] <gord> hrm, even using the cached 404's that i have from gwibber using your command, i don't get a crash =\
[16:54] <kenvandine> gord, well maybe it was fixed already :)
[16:54] <davidcalle> kenvandine, for the record: I've just tried to make an icon from a bad url in the books lens, no crash.
[16:55] <kenvandine> this bug was filed over a week ago :)
[16:55] <kenvandine> gord, and... now that i think of it... i do have that broken image cached and it isn't crashing for me
[16:56] <gord> kenvandine, awesome, sounds like its fixed :) i can't get it to crash just browsing in my gwibber lens either - got a fair few 404's cached
[16:56] <gord> lets keep an eye on it
[16:57] <kenvandine> great :)
[16:59] <kenvandine> i was just worried about random things lens developers do causing unity crashes
[17:08] <delac> can anyone tell me where madia apps or internet apps Lenses are located? or what package they are part of?
[17:08] <delac> media*
[17:14] <kim0> Is gnome-terminal unable to beep under unity?
[17:19] <delac> kim0: well, doesn't seem to beep. But it's not doing it on Maveric either.
[17:20] <kim0> delac: ah .. It does on classic (gnome) .. I just switched and noticed that
[17:21] <kim0> beeps are important to me since irssi notifies me with them
[17:21] <kim0> Think I'll file a bug then
[17:23] <kim0> delac: would you mind testing this one too please .. open "sound preferences", under Hardware tab, click "Test speakers" .. The test button also does not produce a beep sound
[17:24] <delac> kim0: you have to enable the "Enable window and button sounds". Which is bit odd.
[17:25] <delac> kim0: but that is how it works on Maveric too...
[17:26] <delac> kim0: also, it doesnt seem to work either way if you push the testbuttons with enter or spacebar.
[17:29] <kim0> delac: not sure I understand you .. I checked "Enable window and button sounds" still not getting beeps from terminal and not from Test-sound button (mouse clicking, or spacebar/enter ) .. i.e. not getting beeps by any means
[17:30] <delac> kim0: do you have the "alert volume" ramped up?
[17:30] <delac> kim0: and unmuted?
[17:31] <kim0> delac: where do I find that please
[17:31] <delac> kim0: sam tab as "Enable window and buttons sounds"
[17:31] <delac> kim0: same*
[17:32] <kim0> delac: oh the big volume bar :) yeah .. it's 90% and unmuted
[17:34] <delac> kim0: well, I use it at 100. I think that means it as loud as other sounds
[17:34] <kim0> just dragged it to 100%
[17:34] <kim0> still not hearing beeps though
[17:35] <delac> kim0: what about your sound theme (same tab)
[17:35] <kim0> Default
[17:36] <delac> kim0:   but you do hear other sounds like musicplayer?
[17:40] <kim0> yeah sure :)
[17:41] <kim0> I'm no n00b hehe
[17:42] <delac> kim0: well then I guess you do have a bug
[17:43] <kim0> filed thanks :)
[17:57] <nhaines> Hmm, do we know why the emblem API was removed from Unity?
[17:57] <kenvandine> dbarth_, ^^
[18:01] <kim0> smspillaz: hi .. about that bug of not getting system-beeps .. not sure what you mean by "That's muted by pulseaudio" .. since I do hear beeps under gnome/classic-desktop
[18:03] <smspillaz> kim0: yes, but you will here a "duuuuk" instead of a "BEEEP"
[18:04] <smspillaz> kim0: because metacity is catching the beep x event and turning it into a libcanberra sound
[18:04] <smspillaz> I wanted to implement something like this in a compiz plugin, but never had time to
[18:06] <kim0> ah got you
[18:06] <smspillaz> seriously the BEEEP would drive you insane
[18:07] <smspillaz> *hear
[18:07] <smspillaz> wow, 1am is not good for my grammar
[18:08] <kim0> smspillaz: yeah I know .. I want the duuuk :)
[18:08] <smspillaz> right
[18:08] <smspillaz> patches welcome!
[18:08] <smspillaz> if I had time to write it I would
[18:08] <smspillaz> but a) I can't put it in core and b) it is too late in the cycle to be adding new plugins (there are logistical reasons we can't add new plugins right now)
[18:08] <kim0> smspillaz: does it have to be implemented as a compiz plugin ? can it be a separate app ? perhaps in python that way I might have chance to write it
[18:09] <smspillaz> kim0: if you can write something that runs in the background and monitors for a specific event then asks libcanberra to play the duuk that would work
[18:09] <smspillaz> let me grab what the event is
[18:11] <smspillaz> kim0: it's an xkb event so
[18:11] <smspillaz> first you need to
[18:11] <ion> duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck duck
[18:11] <smspillaz>     priv->xkbExtension = XkbQueryExtension (dpy, &xkbOpcode,
[18:11] <ion> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S29A97UPyRM
[18:11] <smspillaz> 					    &priv->xkbEvent, &priv->xkbError,
[18:11] <smspillaz> 					    NULL, NULL);
[18:11] <smspillaz>     if (priv->xkbExtension)
[18:11] <smspillaz>     {
[18:11] <kim0> hehe
[18:11] <smspillaz> 	XkbSelectEvents (dpy, XkbUseCoreKbd,
[18:11] <smspillaz> 			 XkbBellNotifyMask | XkbStateNotifyMask,
[18:11] <smspillaz> 			 XkbAllEventsMask);
[18:11] <smspillaz>     }
[18:11] <smspillaz> and then
[18:12] <smspillaz> in your event handler
[18:12] <smspillaz> check if event->type == xkbEvent
[18:12] <smspillaz> then XkbAnyEvent *xkbv = (XkbAnyEvent *) event;
[18:12] <smspillaz> if (xkbEvent->xkb_type == XkbBellNotify)
[18:13] <smspillaz>  /* play your amazing libcanberra sound here */
[18:13] <smspillaz> not sure about how well that will go down in python
[18:13] <kim0> smspillaz: ok thanks for the help :) I'll keep that bug open till Onieric
[18:14] <smspillaz> right, I'll discuss with with conor again at next uds
[18:14] <kim0> awesome .. thanks
[18:19] <fta> smspillaz|zzz, still there?
[18:33] <kamusin> hello there, today I have upgraded my natty and for a unknown reason indicator-sound from banshee is not working any more.. I noticed that is looking for the old banshee.desktop file but I don't know how to tell indicator-sound please update your links so any help would be appreciated
[18:33] <kamusin> I have some debug messages at http://paste.ubuntu.com/589350/
[18:38] <Omega> didrocks: This bug occurs for me, should I submit a new report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/741674
[18:38] <didrocks> Omega: when does it occur?
[18:38] <Omega> Cold boot, on pressing the meta key.
[18:39] <Omega> It might be a racing condition, I've only had it happen at the start of the session, then it doens't happen anymore.
[18:39] <didrocks> Omega: and you can reproduce it reliably?
[18:39] <Omega> It has happened multiple times before.
[18:40] <didrocks> ok, so please, report it with apport
[18:40] <Omega> Alright.
[18:40] <didrocks> so that we can get the stacktrace and such
[18:40] <didrocks> and subscribe me
[18:40] <Omega> Mhm
[18:41] <didrocks> Omega: thanks :)
[18:42] <Omega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/750532
[18:44] <didrocks> Omega: awesome, let's wait for the retracer
[18:44] <didrocks> ok, seems a timeout not removed, weird on start
[18:44] <Omega> I hope this gets fixed soon :)
[18:46] <didrocks> Omega: the thing it's hard to know which timer is the guilty one :)
[18:46] <didrocks> Omega: but I'll look again if we still have some connected
[18:46] <didrocks> Omega: do not hesitate to ping again after next release if it still occurs
[18:47] <Omega> didrocks: Alright, thanks!
[18:48] <didrocks> Omega: thanks to you :)
[20:26] <jcastro> kamstrup: around?
[20:26] <kamstrup> jcastro: yes
[20:26] <jcastro> ok so the order of lenses vs. apps in the dash
[20:26] <jcastro> is that something that will be natty fixed or should we start telling lens authors to not connect to the dash
[20:27] <jcastro> I'd rather have it be annoying that we make you click on a lens explicitly than spamming askubuntu, google lens, gwibber, and whatver everytime I do super+"chrome"
[20:27] <kamstrup> jcastro: i don't know really - this is a neil-question really
[20:28] <jcastro> ok, I'll catch him tomorrow
[20:28] <jcastro> kamstrup: the horiz view looks amazing btw, the AU lens looks really sharp now
[20:28] <kamstrup> jcastro: but I also think we should try and convince lens authors to not hook into the global dash search
[20:28] <kenvandine> kamstrup, on a related note, what is you hack for limiting the search frequency?
[20:28] <kenvandine> a sleep or something?
[20:29] <kamstrup> kenvandine: free/thaw_notify()
[20:29] <jcastro> kamstrup: ok, so you'd be fine with us just telling people on the wiki, don't do this pls.
[20:29] <kamstrup> kenvandine: freeze i mean
[20:29] <kenvandine> jcastro, my only complaint with the horizontal view is the left to right reading
[20:29] <kamstrup> jcastro: I think so yes
[20:29] <kenvandine> it feels weird in the gwibber case
[20:29] <kenvandine> kamstrup, got an example?
[20:30] <jcastro> it's   method SetGlobalSearch right?
[20:30] <kenvandine> freeze with a sleep or something?
[20:31] <kamstrup> kenvandine: look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-place-applications/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala#L398 and then also at the end of that method
[20:31] <jcastro> davidcalle: do you register books with global dash?
[20:31] <jcastro> kenvandine: same question
[20:32] <jcastro> kamstrup: ahh, ShowGlobal=true|false (defaults to true) in the .place file?
[20:32] <kamstrup> jcastro: yeah I think so
[20:35] <kenvandine> jcastro, i do
[20:35] <kenvandine> i kind of like it there actually
[20:35] <kenvandine> but i can see your point
[20:35] <jcastro> well
[20:35] <jcastro> globally things should
[20:36] <jcastro> like, a people place perhaps
[20:36] <kenvandine> i am thinking about making it limit the search results by media type or something though
[20:36] <jcastro> but like, every time the user uses the dash you'll do a search in gwibber
[20:36] <kenvandine> if i can find a sane way to do that
[20:36] <htorque> hey guys, bug 750018 -> maybe a bitesize one?
[20:36] <jcastro> kenvandine: that would be great
[20:37] <jcastro> because if the user gets a result for every lens they install they will quickly realize that they don't want them installed if they clutter up the dash every time they are trying to launch something.
[20:39] <kenvandine> like maybe just return results for images, videos, and links
[20:39] <kenvandine> something like that
[20:39] <kenvandine> but actually i would prefer that be integrated in the files place
[20:39] <kenvandine> if you are looking for images, included images from the gwibber stream for images as well
[20:39] <kenvandine> these are some of the things i want to talk about at UDS
[20:40] <jcastro> kenvandine: me too
[20:40] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok I'll tell stefano to just shut off our lens in global
[20:40] <jcastro> I will go for less spam for 11.04 and we'll sort something for 11.10
[20:41] <kenvandine> jcastro, so right now the gwibber lense only searches on the persons name in the dash
[20:41] <kenvandine> i think
[20:46] <jcastro> kenvandine: ok and is it being shipped ootb?
[20:49] <kenvandine> no
[20:49] <kenvandine> well, not in natty
[20:49] <kenvandine> enabled in the dash though... for now
[21:04] <lamalex> hey what gives, i thought closing banshee wasn't supposed to stop playback
[21:17] <davidcalle> jcastro "do you register books with global dash?" I do, but I've limited the search to a simple google books search, without any features.
[21:18] <jcastro> ok
[21:46] <nmarques> anyone who can help me with a question involving transmission and libappindicator implementation ?
[21:47] <AndreaAzzarone> nmarques, i can try ;)
[21:49] <nmarques> I've built transmission with libappindicator support... currently if indicator-applet is on the panel... it uses the indicator... if the indicator-applet isn't on the panel it falls back to notification area, and everything is properly working except for one thing
[21:49] <nmarques> the icon is borged :/
[21:49] <nmarques> it shows the default icon for 'missing icons'
[21:49] <AndreaAzzarone> but you are not unity? right? :)
[21:49] <nmarques> GNOME2 :)
[21:50] <nmarques> my issue if that if I should patch this for transmission (to use default icon) and send upstream
[21:50] <AndreaAzzarone> borged? i can't translate this word
[21:51] <AndreaAzzarone> i am not English sorry
[21:51] <nmarques> sry... I mean the icon is missing :)
[21:51] <nmarques> so it uses the icon theme icon for 'missing icons'
[21:51] <nmarques> for all the rest it is working properly
[21:52] <jcastro> davidcalle: whoa, I see your lens has a keyboard shortcut?
[21:52] <AndreaAzzarone> mmm...
[21:52] <AndreaAzzarone> nmarques, i am not the right person to solve this problem
[21:52] <nmarques> if it's using the indicator applet, the icon works nice ;)
[21:53] <AndreaAzzarone> nmarques, but i have made once a time a simple app
[21:53] <AndreaAzzarone> nmarques, thas works with libappindicator
[21:53] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: also ....
[21:53] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: I think we should snag super-u as a keyboard shortcut
[21:53] <davidcalle> jcastro, B for Books
[21:53] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: books snagged super-b, seems to make sense to me
[21:53] <jcastro> right
[21:53] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, oh yes, that would be pretty great.
[21:54] <nmarques> AndreaAzzarone, no worries, I'll just try to patch it and send it upstream, because this feature (fallback from appindicator to standard notification) is something that can be very interesting for me
[21:54] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: that would make not being in the home dash tolerable if we at least gave people a shortcut key
[21:54] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, you forgot to tell me that I'm on OMG!Ubuntu! again (:
[21:54] <AndreaAzzarone> nmarques, and i had not this problem! Maybe try changing the extension of the icon
[21:55] <jcastro> heh
[21:55] <stefano-palazzo> DaveDavenport, have you played around with the blekko API yet?
[21:55] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: should I file a bug on the keyboard shortcut?
[21:55] <jcastro> stefano-palazzo: you're looking for davidcalle
[21:55] <stefano-palazzo> oh, sorry Dave
[21:56] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, yes please, that'd be good. I'll grep the books source as soon as I'm done with my fooling around programming
[21:56] <stefano-palazzo> davidcalle, have you played around with the blekko API yet?
[21:57] <kenvandine> freeze_notify and thaw_notify is awesome
[21:58] <nmarques> kenvandine, jcastro : good evening :)
[21:58] <jcastro> hi nmarques!
[22:19] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, I just checked in the keyboard-shortcut, without testing it. Hope it works (:
[22:19] <jcastro> heh
[22:21] <stefano-palazzo> jcastro, is there a place I should put it, to avoid conflicts?
[22:21] <stefano-palazzo> like somewhere in the wiki
[22:28] <davidcalle> stefano-palazzo, for the record: when two places share the same shortcut, the first in the launcher wins.
[22:30] <stefano-palazzo> thanks, that's good to know
[22:57] <Daekdroom> Does anyone here know if there's a bug report on qt apps not recovering their menus after unity-panel-service restarts/crashes?


[01:05] <Atamira> afternoon
[11:16] <ojwb> hmm, so airnz charge $15 per leg for booking online and paying with a credit card, but you can't pay any other way unless you use windows
[16:49] <Atamira> they have other options?
[19:38] <ojwb> Atamira: you can pay by some direct banking think ("poli" or something) but you need some windows app installed it seems
[19:38] <ojwb> s/think/thing/
[19:38] <ojwb> morning
[20:49] <hads> AirNZ are quite into their fees.
[22:42] <ajmitch> morning
[22:42] <ajmitch> sigh, unity has gone a bit weird on me again