[00:00] <fibz_> did you perform a complete scan and enable checking of bad sectors? or just the usual chkdsk?
[00:00] <Unit193> mulletman1970: Enablement stack just brings in a newer xorg and kernel.
[00:00] <mulletman1970> usual chkdsk
[00:01] <fibz_> then yes, try out smartmontools available in the repos to read the hard drives SMART logs
[00:01] <mulletman1970> should i boot back to bill and try that and come back?
[00:01] <fibz_> no
[00:01] <fibz_> you can do that right now
[00:01] <mulletman1970> sweet!
[00:01] <mulletman1970> Wish I knew how. lol
[00:02] <fibz_> open a terminal and type: sudo apt-get install smartmontools   (or search for it in the Ubuntu Software Center)
[00:03] <mulletman1970> Doing it via terminal now. thanks
[00:04] <fibz_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[00:05] <fibz_> ooo never knew there was a GUI version
[00:06] <mulletman1970> short test, long, or conveyence?
[00:07] <fibz_> long
[00:07] <mulletman1970> cool. like 5 minutes
[00:08] <mulletman1970> DOH! 119 minutes lol
[00:28] <kingplusplus> please how do i install flash on xbuntu
[00:29] <Unit193> Either install flashplugin-installer, or add the partner repo and install adobe-flashplugin.
[00:29] <kingplusplus> Unit193, please do you know the cmd
[00:30] <Unit193> However you'd normally install software, USC, synaptic, apt-get, aptitude, etc.
[00:33] <kingplusplus> please anyone noticed firefox dones't allow saving password on Xubuntu, the save password flashes and viola its gone how can i fix this?
[00:59] <kingplusplus> please how do i fix the audio of my Xubuntu, i wasn't able to edit the volume so i typed alsamixer and increased all options is there a way to make it better because now i am get a tone coming up if the volume is 50% high
[01:34] <fibz_> internal sound cards absorb a lot of RFI/EMI, also check your cabling, loosing connections or old/bad cables will cause this as well. also clean up your cabling, interferences jumps between cables. use terminators to help absolrb some of the noise. also if you have a pre-amp control in your alsamixer, turn that down, pre-amp shouldnt be set too high
[02:04] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys I am using Xubuntu 12.04 and I am trying to get my screen to dim after idle for 12 seconds, but it does not dim...what can i do to attempt to fix trhis issue
[02:09] <Psil0Cybin> Hey guys sorry I am trying to get my Xubuntu to dim on inactivity my screen using xfce power manager but it seems to not dim at all
[03:07] <fibz_> broke my tab key binding. Tab works for Alt+Tab switching, but all other functions provided by tab (cycling through cells and input boxes, autocomplete, indenting text and so on) any idea how to fix this?
[03:07] <fibz_> problem started after i changed the keyboard shortcut for window resize (changed to alt+1)
[03:09] <holstein> fibz_: you can always blow out your user config and get "default"
[03:09] <fibz_> where is it located?
[03:10] <holstein> fibz_: it depends on what you want to remove.. or reset
[03:10] <holstein> fibz_: somewhere in your /home should be all you are looking for
[03:10] <fibz_> i dont know what i broke. i am in ./config and not sure where to go from here
[03:11] <holstein> fibz_: then, move the entire thing
[03:11] <holstein> fibz_: test.. then, put back what you want/need
[03:11] <fibz_> k
[03:27] <fibz_> deleted /home/user/.config/xfce4/ and that fixed it
[03:27] <fibz_> thanks holstein
[03:27] <holstein> fibz_: cheers!
[05:31] <Psil0Cybin> Anyone know how I can diagnose a xfce4-power-manager issue? I cannot get the dim setting to work on my laptop Lenovo G700
[05:35] <Noskcaj> Psil0Cybin, while not actually diagnosing it, ubuntu-bug xfce4-power-manager would help track down this issue
[05:39] <Psil0Cybin> Noskcaj, I am kinda new to the process of filing bugs how would I go about doing this?
[05:40] <Psil0Cybin> nvm Noskcaj I am doing that now
[05:43] <Noskcaj> also, what version of xubuntu do you have?
[05:45] <Noskcaj> Psil0Cybin, I think it's a bug i fixed in xubuntu 14.04
[05:46] <Psil0Cybin> Noskcaj, I am using Xubuntu 12.04 LTS.http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2208549 is my thread on the forums
[05:48] <Noskcaj> It's bug 1067749 that you have i think
[05:56] <Noskcaj> Psil0Cybin, If you're able to, upgrade to 14.04 (we just released beta 1). If not, i can try and make the patch work in precise if you really need it.
[06:00] <Psil0Cybin> I do not "really" need it, but I would love to learn how to fix this issue and perhaps patch it without adding a PPA? Or doing it manually?
[06:00] <Psil0Cybin> Is this a difficult task? I am fairly new, but hate adding PPA's as they cause problems later on
[06:00] <Noskcaj> well patching it is doing it manually
[06:01] <Noskcaj> but you could make the .deb yourself fairly easily.
[06:02] <tsaavik> anyone having font issues since the last xubuntu chrome/nvidia/gtk upgrade?
[06:04] <Noskcaj> tsaavik, That's a lot of different options. Maybe try looking at bug reports for the various packages you mentioned?
[06:09] <tsaavik> Yeah, been stalking around, no luck so far
[06:09] <tsaavik> I pushed the upgrade button and rebooted and WHAM, helvicta is BOLD and almost unreadable :(
[06:10] <tsaavik> even tried hacking up a custom.css to remap helvetica in chrome, but no dice
[06:10] <tsaavik> Maybe I can hold out another month for 14.04 :\
[06:11] <Noskcaj> tsaavik, It's fairly safe to upgrade to 14.04 now
[06:16] <tsaavik> Ah cool, i'll keep that as an option :D
[08:13] <AussieUpOver> Trying to install drivers for my Brother HL-3150CDN on xubuntu 14.04, it seems to list a wide range of Brother printer drivers in xubuntu but misses out the one I need (Which is just typical for me). On the Brother Linux Drivers page now & it seems the drivers from there won't install. Got any tips?
[08:14] <AussieUpOver> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#HL-3150CDN
[08:21] <CrypticByte> Question guys when I run wow64 bit the mouse cursor looks fine but game crashes before it opens, if I run wow 32 bit game works perfectly but the mouse is gray.  What could be causing this?
[08:23] <AussieUpOver> Not running it in windows that's what. I can't get it going either.
[08:24] <CrypticByte> Works perfectly using Ubuntu with Unity, OpenSUSE, just cant seem to get it running right with any buntu distro that doesn't use Unity
[08:37] <CrypticByte> Question guys when I run wow64 bit the mouse cursor looks fine but game crashes before it opens, if I run wow 32 bit game works perfectly but the mouse is gray.  What could be causing this?
[08:44] <xubuntu631> Hi there. I am really impressed of the Beta 14.04 Xubuntu, and I am wondering, if I install the Beta 1, will this be updated all the way to final? Or should I make a new install after final is released?
[08:46] <elfy> xubuntu631: update it and it will be
[08:48] <xubuntu631> elfy: ....it will be.... updated until final? :-)
[08:49] <CrypticByte> on that 14.04 xubuntu can you still get the non free ATI drivers?
[08:50] <elfy> xubuntu631: if you update - then you'll have the final
[08:50] <elfy> CrypticByte: no idea - don't use ATI cards
[08:50] <elfy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/fglrx
[08:51] <bazhang> fglrx are the proprietary ones
[08:51] <bazhang> perhaps he means "radeon"
[08:51] <CrypticByte> well I'm going to make a post on Winehq website about the gray mouse cursor but I fixed the problem
[08:51] <elfy> lol - like I said - no idea :p
[08:51] <elfy> CrypticByte: look on packages.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <CrypticByte> It was in fact a 32bit lib that was missing but doing sudo apt-get install ia32-libs fixed the problem
[08:52] <bazhang> CrypticByte, they have a channel here on freenode
[08:52] <bazhang> #winehq
[08:52] <elfy> no ia32-libs in trusty
[08:53] <CrypticByte> trusty, whats that
[08:53] <CrypticByte> I'm just learning linux :P
[08:53] <bazhang> 14.04
[08:53] <bazhang> release next month
[08:53] <bazhang> as in 4th month 14 (2014)
[08:53] <CrypticByte> so they will no longer be a ia32-libs thats crazy
[08:54] <bazhang> you wont need it
[08:54] <CrypticByte> I needed it now, what they do so differently next month
[08:54] <bazhang> need it for what
[08:54] <bazhang> !find ia32
[08:55] <CrypticByte> world of warcraft to get the mouse cursor working, only way I found that it works
[08:55] <elfy> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[08:55] <bazhang> what version you on
[08:55] <CrypticByte> version of what
[08:55] <bazhang> xubuntu
[08:56] <bazhang> lsb_release -a in the terminal
[08:56] <CrypticByte> I'm on Mint currently I been debating on switching over
[08:56] <bazhang> uh thats not supported
[08:57] <bazhang> irc.spotchat for linuxmint help
[11:00] <xubuntu329> Greetings all. In need of some urgent help. After I login, I get no response. Luckily, synapse still functions so I was able to pull up the browser. Otherwise, I have either a grey screen or a nlank wallpaper. Non of the basic desktop loads, not even the toolbar up top.
[11:00] <xubuntu329> blank*
[11:03] <xubuntu329> I was sticking to 13.04 for this concern. But decided to uprgrade since its always bugging me about it, and, many 13.04 packages are no longer updated, etc.
[11:10] <xubuntu392> Slve a TUTTI
[11:11] <xubuntu392> qualcuno parla italiano
[11:11] <fibz__> delete you /home/user/.config
[11:12] <v1adimir> o.0
[11:12] <xubuntu392> Italian
[11:12] <xubuntu392> ?
[11:13] <xubuntu329> I'll try it...
[11:14] <v1adimir> apt-get install -f maybe, to begin with
[11:15] <v1adimir> http://askubuntu.com/questions/140246/how-do-i-resolve-unmet-dependencies
[11:16] <xubuntu329> hmm...nope...seems to have no effect
[11:17] <xubuntu329>  Was literally functioning fine 10 minutes ago
[11:18] <xubuntu329> Now, I'm completely "greyed out". If I minimize a window, its gone. considering trying fibz___ suggestion
[11:20] <v1adimir> if a new user might help, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto
[11:20] <v1adimir> but, this is doubtful..:)
[11:21] <xubuntu329> This is a new problem, that is for certain. First time for everything as they say.
[11:23] <v1adimir> yeah xD
[11:24] <xubuntu329> Can't even access folders...this is nuts
[11:24] <v1adimir> xubuntu329: but, did you sudo apt-get autoclean ; sudo apt-get autoremove ; sudo apt-get clean b4 trying to apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[11:24] <v1adimir> .. and check if old sources are disabled.
[11:25] <v1adimir> maybe it's just something simple :-f
[11:26] <xubuntu329> I din't run any terminal commands after install. No clue as to what this issue is. I've seen the no wallpaper hissy fits..but I can't even use my machine. Thanks to synapse, I am able to workaround some.
[11:29] <xubuntu329> going to reboot...fingers crossed. Thanks for the assistance.
[11:33] <xubuntu152> Rebooted to same predicament
[11:34] <xubuntu152> Think I should just wipe the HDD and fresh install 13.04?
[13:25] <meeseek> i thought light-locker is replacing xscreensaver, but latest trusty still uses it for locking
[13:25] <meeseek> whats up with that
[13:26] <TheSheep> it's not ready yet
[13:29] <meeseek> TheSheep, ok. just making sure it's not a bug on my end. im running the daily iso.
[14:42] <any_chaos> Hallo ich habe ein Problem mit meinem System, ich kann mich als Gast bei einer xfce Sitzung anmelden, nur wenn ich mich mit meinem Konto anmelde komme ich direkt zur Anmeldemaske zurück. Das Passwort ist richtig eingegeben. Kann mir bitte jemand helfen?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> !de|any_chaos,
[15:47] <cubed_root> i tried install gnome using sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, the installation seemed to run successfully, but after logout and restart i'm not seeing the gnome options in the login window
[15:50] <holstein> cubed_root: under the session selection
[15:51] <cubed_root> i think that's what i'm talking about:  after install i just see xubuntu and xfce
[15:51] <holstein> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/12/upgrade-gnome-3-10-ubuntu-13-10 should be relevant.. though, you may not want the PPA's
[15:52] <cubed_root> thanks
[15:53] <holstein> ubuntu-gnome-desktop is what they suggest. but, i havent tried it
[15:53] <holstein> you should be able to just add gnome, and select it
[15:53] <cubed_root> what are ppa's again?
[15:53] <holstein> !ppa
[15:54] <cubed_root> thanks
[15:54] <holstein> i can say, i have installed gnome, and experienced issues
[15:55] <cubed_root> i might leave it alone for now as this is a laptop i use alot
[15:55] <holstein> cubed_root: you can always try it in virtualbox, or a live CD :)
[15:56] <cubed_root> actually i've installed it on an older laptop and like it, but i want to try using it for a couple hours to see if i like enough to switch
[15:57] <cubed_root> ...i want to try doing work on it
[15:58] <holstein> cubed_root: you can.. the PPA is probably a good idea at that point
[16:00] <cubed_root> holstein: were your gnome issues with hardware or with having xubuntu also installed
[22:08] <Robertinho> conversaria em portugues?
[22:08] <bazhang> !pt
[23:42] <zukeprime> xubuntu 14.04 Beta 1:  still has xscreensaver.  Is that intentional? Don't see lightlocker settings anywhere
[23:45] <fibz_> best 14.04 support can be found in #ubuntu+1
[23:45] <zukeprime> cool thanks fibz_


[02:54] <qwebirc31348> How do I increase the volume for all of Mythbuntu , including other applications?
[03:10] <qwebirc31348> volume keys [] move volume indication up & down but have no effect on audio out.
[16:48] <troyh> tgm4883: to follow up from yesterday. A full reinstall of the FE's did resolve the problem although I did re-IP them and give them a new hostname so that the BE would not use any leftover cruft in the DB.
[17:26] <troyh> DaveInTO: just got the xios, which plugins do you use?


[09:52] <davidcalle> mhr3, ping
[09:56] <mhr3> davidcalle, pong
[09:56] <davidcalle> mhr3, how are you?
[09:56] <mhr3> busy :)
[09:57] <davidcalle> mhr3, quick question then: what's the status of zeitgeist datasources? Are they maintained? Any plan on packaging some of them? Having some of them by default?
[09:58] <mhr3> davidcalle, manish in #zeitgeist will know details, but basically upstreaming is preferred
[09:59] <davidcalle> mhr3, thanks :)
[14:37] <ana_> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/drawings/d/1C8f-grtD7-Kpe7glE2b1jjMY_Ez5HLKoJiYf5YlfjwE/edit
[14:37] <ana_> Hello Bill, I added the question to the screen I am referring to. Thanks in advance
[19:00] <melodie_> hello
[19:01] <melodie_> I would like to learn about the Unity launcher panel and if there are methods to configure it, and especially configure the lauchers so that the children won't remove them while clicking ? what can be done to fix them ?
[19:44] <melodie_> hi again
[19:45] <melodie_> is there someone likely to help me solve a little issue with the unity panel ?
[19:45] <melodie_> I would like to learn about the Unity launcher panel and if there are methods to configure it, and especially configure the lauchers so that the children won't remove them while clicking ? what can be done to fix them ?
[19:51] <CookieM_> you might try this: http://ubuntuguide.net/unsettings-ubuntu-unity-desktop-tweaking-tool
[19:55] <melodie_> hi CookieM_
[19:55] <CookieM_> hi
[19:56] <melodie_> CookieM_, your link : "
[19:56] <melodie_> "Unsettings can only change your users’s settings, you can’t use it to change global settings or do anything else that needs root privileges."
[19:57] <melodie_> this means you can't forbig unpriviledged users to change the launch bar icons. I want to set up the launch bar and make it fixed, solid as rock !
[19:57] <melodie_> any other suggest ?
[23:01] <paanii> hi
[23:02] <paanii> i want to remove the format option when i right click the usb drive in the launchpad


[07:13] <ochosi> hi everyone, what's the correct way of forking a launchpad-bzr-repo into a new project? (link to a bzr project or pull it and then push it to the new repo?)
[07:21] <wgrant> ochosi: Are you sure you want to create a whole new project, and not just a branch in the existing one?
[07:22] <ochosi> wgrant: well specifically i want to create a project for xubuntu's greeter (lightdm), which will be a fork of unity-greeter
[07:23] <wgrant> ochosi: Have you talked to the unity-greeter devs to check that you can't support both with a single codebase?
[07:25] <ochosi> wgrant: i can't imagine that they would like to replace gnome-settings-daemon with something else :)
[07:26] <wgrant> ochosi: You should really talk to them before forking.
[07:26] <wgrant> Forking rarely helps anybody, so it should be avoided whereever possible.
[07:27] <ochosi> i agree, i'll talk to them
[07:27] <wgrant> However, in the unlikely event that you do actually want to fork, you'll want to create a new project and just push the branch up.
[07:28] <wgrant> No need to link it through LP.
[07:28] <ochosi> "they" are mostly robert_ancell i guess, no?
[07:28] <wgrant> Probably, yes :)
[07:28] <wgrant> Probably mterry too, but I'm not really sure these days.
[07:28] <ochosi> ok
[07:35] <ochosi> wgrant: to be honest i'm not the dev who should develop the greeter, i'm just mitigating that process. so i really wouldn't know if gnome-settings-daemon can be replaced in unity-greeter
[07:40] <ochosi> wgrant: haha, i just realized that i already sent an email to robert about that and he replied:
[07:40] <ochosi> > Were not going to modify Unity greeter to support different use cases,
[07:40] <ochosi> > as we want to be able to quickly adapt it in it's current form.  A
[07:40] <ochosi> ;)
[07:40] <ochosi> > forked version however shouldn't be too hard to keep in sync if you were
[07:40] <ochosi> > willing to maintain it.
[09:58] <Laney> is the branch scanner lagging?
[10:01] <mpt> I'm getting 503 errors ... is there an update happening right now?
[10:02] <StevenK> mpt: Should be back.
[10:02] <mpt> it is, thanks
[10:02] <StevenK> mpt: We just went down for 1:30 for a fastdowntime
[10:05] <czajkowski> mpt: every day at 10UTC
[12:23] <alo21> hi all
[12:24] <alo21> can someone follow me on hoe merge a branch, please?
[12:56] <zyga> hey, is launchpad just going down?
[13:00] <wgrant> zyga: No. Why?
[13:00] <zyga> wgrant, I just got a few fail pages with links to uptime / social microblogging
[13:01] <zyga> wgrant, but it seems to be operating properly now
[13:01] <sagaci> that's normal :P
[13:01] <wgrant> Erm
[13:01] <wgrant> That's never meant to happen.
[13:01] <wgrant> Outside the 10:00-10:05 UTC downtime window
[13:02] <sagaci> it seems like when you request 50 translations or submit the same, it's often a coin flip on whether it'll actually process
[13:04] <wgrant> sagaci: That timeout page is different from the one zyga mentioned.
[13:04] <zyga> right, I don't recall seeing that page normally
[13:04] <zyga> if that's relevant I was requesting https://launchpad.net/~zkrynicki
[13:05] <wgrant> One of our appserver instances is apparently having DB connection trouble.
[13:49] <mb21> Helllo, I'm trying to use the RestAPI (not using python) to get a collection of bugs for a specific project. But my project (https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/slg) doesn't have a collection_link listed. Is this not possible..? thanks
[13:56] <dobey> mb21: that seems correct according to https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#project
[13:57] <mb21> @dobey thanks for replying! so you're saying it doesn't seem possible?
[13:57] <dobey> mb21: you'd need to do a searchTasks() call on the project to get a but_task collection
[13:58] <dobey> bug_task even
[13:58] <dobey> mb21: i'm saying there is no documented field for a bug_task collection in a project entry.
[13:58] <dobey> mb21: the only way i see to get it is to use the project entry's searchTasks()
[13:59] <dobey> mb21: also what language are you using?
[14:00] <mb21> okay, so something like https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/slg?ws.op=searchTasks&...
[14:01] <dobey> right
[14:01] <mb21> atm i'm trying to get it working with curl on the command line
[14:02] <dobey> probably not the best way to test. doing oauth with command line curl isn't exactly trivial :)
[14:04] <mb21> well, for now i'm using only get request.. but you're right, i'll have to switch soon :)
[14:04] <mb21> oh, https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/slg?ws.op=searchTasks actually seems already to do the trick and list me my bugs!
[14:05] <dobey> right, well, it won't list any private bugs unless you're authenticated :)
[14:06] <dobey> authentication isn't only for writing, but is also needed for many read operations as well, to verify permissions with
[14:07] <mb21> right.. guess i'll have to dive into oauth then.. thanks a lot so far!
[14:15] <ivory> benji: could you review this for me? https://code.launchpad.net/~ivo-kracht/launchpad/bug-425934/+merge/110786
[14:16] <benji> ivory: sure; unless it is urgent, it will be a minute though, there are a couple of people in line before you
[14:44] <benji> ivory: I approved your branch.  I had on thought about a possible improement and included that comment in the review.
[14:55] <ivory> benji: i corrected it, thank you for the review
[14:56] <benji> ivory: my pleasure
[14:57] <czajkowski> ivory: you're here again this week, good to see
[15:00] <ivory> czajkowski: yes, will be here for another 3 weeks
[15:01] <czajkowski> ivory: oh good stuff
[15:01] <czajkowski> ivory: we should do a wee chat and maybe a blog post at some point on you and launchpad if you fancy maybe next week
[15:01] <czajkowski> which reminds me
[15:01] <czajkowski> jam: ping
[15:02] <jam> czajkowski: /wave
[15:02] <czajkowski> jam: email I sent last week, can you try and answer the questions this week as I have jelmer and vila but need yours to kick off the smurf interviews
[15:03] <czajkowski> mgz: pokeage reply to interview mail please :)
[15:03] <jam> czajkowski: sure, I have it in the todo list, I'll work on it tomorrow early
[15:03] <czajkowski> jam: excellent
[15:03] <czajkowski> shall try and get 1+2 out this week
[15:03] <czajkowski> and then 3+4 out next week
[15:16] <mgz> czajkowski: can I reply entirely in rhyming couplets?
[15:19] <czajkowski> mgz: can I have a photo to go with it
[15:19] <czajkowski> of you
[15:20] <mgz> ...you don't want any of my lovely obfuscated pictures?
[15:22] <czajkowski> no
[15:22]  * czajkowski peers at you don't make me come up there and take a popper picture!
[15:22] <mgz> I really don't want to turn up in an image search for my name,
[15:22] <mgz> though I've given up on not being indexed at all, alas.
[15:22] <czajkowski> ah
[15:24] <mgz> (I might already which would make my complaint moot, haven't checked)
[15:24] <mgz> (but probably not, being a member of the anti-social web)
[15:39] <george_e> I have a project with a single branch. I would like to create a second branch for the Debian packaging but I don't want the branch linked to the code branch. How would I go about doing this?
[19:48] <djbobbydrake> is launchpad buggin out?
[19:48] <lifeless> no, why do you ask ?
[19:49] <djbobbydrake> nevermind - just got an error screen a moment ago, but it's cleared itself
[19:51] <lifeless> did you get an OOPS code? if so, in future, you can paste that here and we can look into it for you
[19:55] <k> I'm getting repeated "problem connecting to the Launchpad server" errors on http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~logan/ubuntu/quantal/tovid/debian-watch/revision/12.
[19:55] <k> Never mind. Working now.
[19:56] <lifeless> The codebrowse cache can take a bit to initialise on deep histories.
[20:12] <k> lifeless: Thanks. :)
[21:50] <czajkowski> sinzui: nice articles!


[16:36] <stas> mhall119: ping
[16:36] <stas> when you get some time, can you please review and merge my request for light-wordpress-theme?
[16:37] <stas> its a tweak kim0 reported and it got fixed yesterday
[16:37] <mhall119> stas: pong
[16:37] <mhall119> stas: if you're the only one working on the wordpress theme, would you rather just maintain the branch yourself?
[16:38] <mhall119> You know more about WP theming than I do, it's kind of silly for me to be reviewing it
[16:38] <newz2000> I'm stumped on a CSS prob
[16:38] <newz2000> try this: in FF, go to http://www.canonical.com/engineering-services/certification/hardware-certification
[16:38] <newz2000> hit print preview
[16:38] <stas> mhall119: if you give me access that will spare me buging you all the time :)
[16:38] <newz2000> notice the content is pushed to page 2 and cut off
[16:38] <newz2000> (oops, sorry, didn't mean to butt in)
[16:39] <stas> newz2000: what ff?
[16:39] <daker> firefox
[16:40]  * newz2000 looks
[16:40] <mhall119> newz2000: could you add stas to ~ubuntu-website-community so he can maintain the WP branch?
[16:40]  * daker daker looks too
[16:40] <newz2000> 3.6.8
[16:40] <newz2000> mhall119: yes
[16:40] <newz2000> stas: you'll get some bug email
[16:40] <mhall119> not too much
[16:41] <stas> newz2000: ok
[16:41] <stas> thanks
[16:41] <stas> newz2000: http://ubuntuone.com/p/BqV/ on ff 3.6.8
[16:41] <newz2000> stas: try using print preview
[16:41] <newz2000> it only happens when printing
[16:42] <daker> newz2000, yes i see
[16:42] <newz2000> and not in chrome
[16:42] <newz2000> stas: you're part of the team, thanks a bunch for all the work you've done
[16:43] <newz2000> I've had this prob once before, a while back, but I can't remember what fixed it
[16:43] <stas> newz2000: thank you for offering this chance, more to come :)
[16:44] <newz2000> stas: some time I'd like to hear about the work your doing on buddy press
[16:44] <newz2000> I have a friend who is really into LMS stuff and we both like the idea behind BP (though not played much with it)
[16:44] <stas> newz2000: then im your guy, i would love helping with it
[16:45] <newz2000> is your work to add LMS capability to buddy press?
[16:46] <stas> yes
[16:46] <stas> actually my work is almost done
[16:47] <stas> i added LMS capabilities to social networking layer buddypress has
[16:47] <stas> features include: management of courses, assignments + responses/answers, gradebook, bibliography and schedules
[16:48] <stas> all tightly integrated into groups
[16:48] <newz2000> stas: do you know someone who will be using it?
[16:48] <stas> basically you can now uses groups as classes
[16:48] <stas> newz2000: some universities announced using it
[16:48] <newz2000> wow, cool
[16:49] <newz2000> So do you think it will remain a 1-man operation or do you see getting contributions and help from others?
[16:49] <stas> also some possible customers already asked me for signing some contracts with them, but I let them wait :)
[16:49] <newz2000> super cool!
[16:49] <stas> newz2000: its open sourse, so I'm looking to improve it
[16:49]  * newz2000 speaking from experience, it's awesome when your open source work results in getting paid
[16:49] <stas> also my mentors are two teachers, both wordpress / buddypress hackers
[16:49] <stas> so I'm sure it will get a community around
[16:50] <stas> plus jane wells is directly monitoring it and wants it to become a core component in future
[16:50] <newz2000> I will talk to my friend to see if he's interested in it. He hates Moodle (me too). If so, I'll set him up a server with it on it.
[16:52] <daker> newz2000, i think i know what's the problem
[16:53] <newz2000> daker: oh?
[16:54] <daker> the third div inside the div with the id column-main
[16:54] <newz2000> me looks
[16:55] <newz2000> daker: the one that wraps around class="row-wrapper-2" ?
[16:55] <stas> newz2000: thanks, i would love comitting some buddypress stuff for ubuntu reither with some corporates :)
[16:56] <newz2000> Well, we're using moodle now and hate it
[16:56] <newz2000> I'll play with it, I just sent my friend a msg on facebook
[16:57] <daker> newz2000, yes
[16:57] <newz2000> I haven't tried buddy press since around the time it went 1.0
[16:57] <daker> brb
[17:00] <mhall119> stas: you should let #edubuntu know about your LMS stuff
[17:04]  * stas fscks mcDonalds public wifi
[17:05] <stas> newz2000: ping me next week (since this weekend i'll be somewhere in Carpathian mountains at a FLOSS event :P) and I can offer you access to my dev instance of buddypress where you can test exisint features
[17:06] <newz2000> ok
[17:06] <newz2000> it may not be until later than that actually, want to finish my current fun proj first. ;-)
[17:09] <stas> :)
[17:10] <daker> newz2000, try to split the content into multi divs instead of one
[17:11] <daker> something like this
[17:11] <daker>

[17:11] <daker>
Canonical's certification service

[17:11] <daker>
blablabla

[17:11] <daker>

[17:11] <daker>
Keep up with Ubuntu

[17:11] <daker>
blablabla

[17:11] <daker>

[17:11] <daker>
Certification features

[17:11] <daker>
blablabla

[17:11] <newz2000> I will try it.
[17:13] <daker> so basically the browser can't split the long div when he is trying to print the page
[17:13] <daker> i meab this div :

[17:13] <daker> it contains a lot of content
[17:14] <newz2000> I don't know if thats a prob though, I print pages that are wrapped in a single div often
[17:15] <daker> well try the solution and we will see
[17:15] <newz2000> ok. I am making notes of things to try next week
[17:16] <newz2000> I just found out yesterday there's a lucid point release scheduled for next week :-/
[17:16] <newz2000> This will be our first update to the download page since we got the new site
[17:17] <daker> newz2000, you are the only one working on ubuntu.com ?
[17:18] <newz2000> yes, at the moment
[17:18] <newz2000> but we're hiring. ;-)
[17:18] <daker> poor newz2000
[17:18] <knome> newz2000, remote?
[17:18] <newz2000> knome: at this point the project manager wants someone near London
[17:19] <knome> newz2000, okay:/
[17:19] <newz2000> she's having a bit of a challenge so she's about to compromise to "easy/frequent access to London" I think
[17:19] <knome> newz2000, he could pay us the rent of an apartment next to the canonical HQ and i'm in for the job
[17:20] <newz2000> that part of town is very expensive, better aim for somewhere cheaper and a bus pass. ;-)
[17:20] <knome> newz2000, as long as canonical pays, shouldn't it be frequent from anywhere? :P
[17:20] <newz2000> presumably frequent from somewhere not expensive to get to London from
[17:21] <knome> finland is not too expensive ;)
[17:21] <newz2000> If you think you meet the qualifications, put that in the job descriptions. There are others on that team who commute in for a couple days a week. Just make your salary high enough to cover your costs.
[17:22] <newz2000> So if you can live in Finland cheaper than London and cover the cost of a flat and transport with the diff, you're in good shap
[17:22] <newz2000> shape
[17:23] <knome> i doubt my wife will cheer for me applying for that job..
[17:23] <newz2000> I'm skeptical anyone in this room would love the position we're hiring for.
[17:23] <newz2000> It's more of a content editor, someone in charge of using the cms
[17:23] <newz2000> not dev
[17:24] <newz2000> (though there are some web dev jobs on the website iirc)
[17:24] <knome> i kind of might like that more than being a "hard" developer
[17:24]  * stas g2g, bye all
[17:25] <newz2000> later stas
[17:26] <knome> tbh, i'm merely playing with the though for the time being, but i imagine that in a few years it might be more of a reality to work abroad, remotely or not


[04:35] <CIA-3> localechooser: cjwatson * r146 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.09ubuntu2
[04:42] <cjwatson> stgraber: thanks, but he added set -x to the wrong script. See my comment
[04:42] <shtylman> ooo... that evil thing that takes 10000 million years to generate templates!
[04:48] <CIA-3> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r698 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 64ubuntu4
[04:49] <CIA-3> partman-auto-lvm: cjwatson * r217 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 32ubuntu4
[05:15] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1397 ubuntu/debian/changelog: correct changelog
[05:16] <CIA-3> tasksel: cjwatson * r1398 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.73ubuntu15
[05:27] <CIA-3> user-setup: cjwatson * r160 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[05:27] <CIA-3> user-setup: user-setup/password-weak can't be preseeded since that would interfere
[05:27] <CIA-3> user-setup: with correct interactive behaviour, but create
[05:27] <CIA-3> user-setup: user-setup/allow-password-weak which can.
[05:29] <CIA-3> user-setup: cjwatson * r161 ubuntu/debian/user-setup-udeb.templates: move template to live with the other preseedable-only templates
[05:32] <CIA-3> user-setup: cjwatson * r162 ubuntu/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
[05:32] <CIA-3> user-setup: Rename passwd/allow-password-empty to user-setup/allow-password-empty,
[05:32] <CIA-3> user-setup: for consistency with user-setup/password-empty. Provide compatibility
[05:32] <CIA-3> user-setup: with the old name for one release.
[05:36] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3067 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/base.py):
[05:36] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Cope with renaming of passwd/allow-password-empty to
[05:36] <CIA-3> ubiquity: user-setup/allow-password-empty in user-setup 1.23ubuntu14.
[05:38] <CIA-3> user-setup: cjwatson * r163 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.23ubuntu14
[05:40] <TheMuso> someone's up early. :)
[05:44] <cjwatson> yeah, have a cough and couldn't sleep
[05:47] <StevenK> cjwatson: I hate it when that happens. :-(
[05:48] <TheMuso> Ah that sucks.
[06:48] <CIA-3> ubiquity: superm1 * r3068 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/mythbuntu_install.py): Remove dead AdditionalDrivers code
[06:50] <CIA-3> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r668 ubuntu/ (14 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.66
[06:52] <CIA-3> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r669 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.66ubuntu1
[07:51] <tjaalton> cjwatson: trying the iso now, but I'd like to use our preseed-file as well. fetching it fails, because the installer messes up the url somehow
[07:51] <tjaalton> it adds "BOOT_IMAGE=/install/vmlinuz" to the url :)
[08:05] <tjaalton> cjwatson: but is it the new udev that should fix the issues with partman?
[08:19] <cjwatson> I think it ought to, yes. I don't think I changed the installer in any other way
[08:26] <tjaalton> but it'd need a rebuild of d-i to generate a netboot image I could use?
[08:28] <cjwatson> I can build you a netboot image
[08:28] <tjaalton> thanks!
[08:32] <mark> cjwatson: did you see the > 16 disks bug? no idea how to assign it to you, but I subscribed you
[08:33] <cjwatson> I have it now, thanks
[08:34] <cjwatson> tjaalton: which netboot files do you normally use?
[08:35] <tjaalton> cjwatson: just the tarball, in this case amd64
[08:35] <tjaalton> netboot.tar.gz
[08:35] <cjwatson> oh, um, not sure I can easily do amd64
[08:35] <cjwatson> give me a bit, then, I'll see
[08:36] <tjaalton> 32bit is fine
[08:36] <tjaalton> just need to edit the pxeboot file
[08:36] <tjaalton> no biggie
[08:51] <cjwatson> tjaalton: ok, amd64 turns out to be more painful than I'd like ... http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/netboot.tar.gz is an i386 build
[08:51] <cjwatson> tjaalton: if you want amd64, build udev with http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/hotplug/udev.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d3a0a709a38805259fe07240c3ca47a120dd5d6 applied, copy the resulting udev-udeb into d-i's build/localudebs/, and 'fakeroot make rebuild_netboot' in the build/ directory
[08:57] <tjaalton> cjwatson: thanks, trying the image now
[09:00] <tjaalton> hmm, still fails to remove the old logical volumes
[09:01] <davmor2> tjaalton: you still having issues?
[09:01] <tjaalton> yes
[09:02] <cjwatson> ok, that could be another problem I do know about
[09:02] <cjwatson> the LVM tools aren't really atomic in several ways
[09:02] <tjaalton> I'm trying to install lvm on a clean disk now
[09:03] <cjwatson> when you run 'vgchange -a n ubuntu && vgremove ubuntu', vgchange only tells the kernel to deactivate the logical volumes, but doesn't actually wait until userspace has finished doing so
[09:03] <cjwatson> and, with the current architecture, if you made it try to wait, it would deadlock
[09:03] <tjaalton> oh..
[09:03] <cjwatson> so I plan to stick some udevadm settle calls into the installer to work around this
[09:03] <cjwatson> I've had a couple of long conversations with Scott about this over the last few days, and I understand the problem much better now
[09:04] <davmor2> tjaalton: I've come on to late what are trying do install over an lvm install?
[09:05] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/123706/ applied to /lib/partman/lib/lvm-base.sh is something like what I plan to do
[09:06] <tjaalton> davmor2: hmm, sorry I don't follow?
[09:06] <tjaalton> trying to install lvm on a clean disk now complains that the volume group name is already in use
[09:06]  * cjwatson hands davmor2 some punctuation :-)
[09:07] <cjwatson> how clean?
[09:07] <tjaalton> I deleted the partitions before rebooting
[09:07] <cjwatson> I wonder if LVM metadata was left around in the old partitions
[09:08] <cjwatson> I suspect we need to be better about cleaning that out when creating new partitions
[09:08] <tjaalton> I'll try harder :)
[09:09] <tjaalton> bad fdisk.. nothing like on tru64
[09:13] <cjwatson> hmm, so the difficulty is a layering one
[09:13] <cjwatson> we don't want to clear out LVM metadata unconditionally, only when the PV partitions are newly-created
[09:18] <tjaalton> I tried the iso without any preseeding, and then it succeeded in installing on a clean disk
[09:18] <tjaalton> so..
[09:31] <tjaalton> one note about the succeeded partitioning; it showed the maximum size of the vg, and when I chose it I got an error message saying that there's not enough space
[09:32] <tjaalton> so I had to change the value
[09:32] <cjwatson> that's fixed
[09:32] <tjaalton> nice
[09:32] <cjwatson> bug 334648
[09:32] <tjaalton> ah
[09:32] <cjwatson> was a rounding error, didn't happen to me in initial testing because in my test it rounded down rather than up
[09:37] <evand> bug 330979 is perplexing.
[09:46] <evand> cjwatson: do you recall why we decided to filter all disks with mounted partitions from parted_devices rather than just /cdrom?
[09:46] <evand> It seems to be creating a headache for a number of users, and I'm wondering if we should try to unmount the partitions in question, then try again, or filter less out.
[09:48] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r995 intrepid-proposed/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-13 kernels.
[09:49] <cjwatson> evand: because if any partition is mounted on a disk then you can't tell the kernel to reread its partition table. We added partman/filter_mounted so that they can control it
[09:49] <evand> oh, of course
[09:49] <cjwatson> I think this is a bit of a lose-lose situation
[09:50] <cjwatson> 330979> astonishingly bad bug triage there
[09:51] <evand> Ugly, but perhaps a dialog warning them that they wont see the following disks because they have mounted partitions
[09:51] <cjwatson> "this bug has some similarity to <completely different bug>"
[09:51] <evand> lol
[09:52] <cjwatson> or a question asking them whether they want to unmount those partitions or not; of course they may have documents open on them ...
[09:52] <cjwatson> feels like perhaps the sort of thing that should be done in ubiquity rather than partman-base
[09:52] <cjwatson> in d-i it's much less likely that partitions will be mounted
[09:52] <evand> indeed
[09:54] <cjwatson> no objection to ameliorating the lose-lose on either side of course :-)
[09:54] <cjwatson> oh god must kill management-speak
[09:56] <davmor2> hmm confirming a bug without reproducing it genius :)
[09:58] <evand> haha, old job titles die hard?
[10:07] <davmor2> cjwatson: out of curiosity why has lvm become such a bummer
[10:09] <cjwatson> davmor2: udev has got faster and so the lvm race conditions become more obvious
[10:09] <cjwatson> or possibly slower. but at any rate perturbed it enough that more people happen to encounter it. :-)
[10:10] <davmor2> :) Okay
[10:10] <cjwatson> evand: bug 292159: last week you said you'd work on it "next week"
[10:11] <evand> argh, indeed.  I'll get on it in a few minutes.  I'm just in the process of putting our previous discussion in a bug report and discussing changes to usb-creator with a contributor.
[10:11] <evand> but I'll make it my top priority today
[10:12] <cjwatson> thanks
[10:19] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r996 intrepid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu28
[10:33] <davmor2> evand: Just to let you know that in ubiquity now everytime you do a guided - whole drive install you get the  m-a page and says it can't find an os to copy from.
[10:34] <evand> some day I will make time to work on that mess of code.
[10:34] <evand> but that bug is one I will fix this release
[10:34] <evand> it's part of the jaunty-ubiquity-usability specification
[10:38] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r79 trunk/ (debian/changelog gui/usbcreator.glade):
[10:38] <CIA-3> usb-creator: "Note that using GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER_ALWAYS is almost always a bad idea."
[10:38] <CIA-3> usb-creator: Place the window in the center, don't keep it centered. Thanks Eric
[10:38] <CIA-3> usb-creator: Butler.
[11:03] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r80 trunk/ (debian/changelog usbcreator/gtk_frontend.py):
[11:03] <CIA-3> usb-creator: Set the title property of the labels after creating WrapLabels, not
[11:03] <CIA-3> usb-creator: before. Thanks Eric Butler.
[11:43] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r81 trunk/debian/ (changelog control): Point Vcs-Bzr in the control file to the proper location.
[12:08] <evand> Hrm, cjwatson what are your thoughts on having a separate usb-creator icon?  You expressed concern that using the ubiquity icon might lead to confusion, and I'm about to ask Ken if he's willing to create one, should he find some free time, but I wanted to make sure it's something desired by more than just me.
[12:09] <cjwatson> seems sensible for separate programs to have separate icons
[12:09] <evand> ok, thanks for the input
[12:09] <cjwatson> doesn't seem hugely critical though
[12:11] <evand> of course
[12:18] <cjwatson> evand: when you were doing the language_iconview change for oem-config, did you ever figure out why the vertical spacing between cells is so big?
[12:18] <cjwatson> evand: it results in a very tall window, and looks kind of silly on subsequent screens because their contents gets stuck in the middle of this tall window
[12:19] <evand> I think my notes for that are long gone.  But I suspect if I did get to the bottom of it, I would have made the change.  Unfortunately as I believe you've pointed out as well, the iconview is quite inflexible.
[12:20] <evand> There are some alternative box packing widgets (either in libview or medsphere), but that seemed to be the cleanest approach.
[12:30] <cjwatson> it seems to just use a cellrenderertext, but I can't quite unpick the twisty mazes of code involved
[12:38] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r82 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Call dd with the correct arguments (LP: #331327). Thanks Martin Pitt!
[12:39] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r83 usb-creator/debian/control: Update Vcs-Bzr to the usb-creator-hackers team.
[12:41] <evand> ugh, I can't reuse the ubuntu-installer list as a contact address for usb-creator in LP
[13:24] <mgariepy> hi
[13:25] <stgraber> cjwatson: mgariepy is the one doing the preseeds test
[13:25] <mgariepy> cjwatson : i did try to set -x in /bin/perfrom_recipe but it doesn't log anything
[13:44] <cjwatson> mgariepy: hmm. could you perhaps try putting set -x in /lib/partman/display.d/10initial_auto, /bin/autopartition, and /bin/perform_recipe?
[13:44] <cjwatson> hopefully that should cover it - sorry for having to go round a couple of times
[13:44] <mgariepy> no problem
[13:44] <cjwatson> mgariepy: or, actually, why not save time and just put set -x at the top of /lib/partman/lib/base.sh
[13:44] <cjwatson> will produce honkingly enormous amounts of output
[13:45] <cjwatson> but the stuff I need should be in there somewhere :-)
[13:45] <mgariepy> ok i'll put it in base.sh :)
[13:58] <mgariepy> cjwatson, just uploaded the 15 000 lines syslog :) enjoy
[13:59] <cjwatson> heh
[13:59] <mgariepy> cjwatson, if you need any more test, just ask  hehe
[13:59] <cjwatson> ok, will do; I'm expecting a visitor shortly so may be out for a bit
[14:00] <mgariepy> i'll be around for a while
[14:00] <cjwatson> this looks like it has the necessary bits though, at a first glance
[14:00]  * cjwatson stuffs it into vim rather than a browser
[14:05] <davmor2> evand: Re icon just usb stick above a cd :)
[14:16] <cjwatson> mgariepy: aha
[14:16] <cjwatson> mgariepy: you have an invisible trailing space on this line:
[14:16] <cjwatson>                       mountpoint{ / }                         \
[14:16] <cjwatson> mgariepy: the backslash has to be the very last character on the line, with no space after it
[14:21] <evand> davmor2: :)
[14:21] <davmor2> evand: you know it makes sense :)
[14:23] <mgariepy> ho
[14:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: trying without it now ...
[14:29] <mgariepy> but the preseed file was working fine before 8.04.2
[14:33] <cjwatson> mgariepy: are you sure it wasn't edited in any way? this is the sort of thing that can easily creep in by accident
[14:34] <cjwatson> I'm pretty certain that none of the preseed-file handling code changed in 8.04.x, and this is right at the bottom level
[14:36] <mgariepy> yeah, the preseed file is in subversion ""r1196 | mgariepy | 2008-08-14 18:22:44 -0400 (Thu, 14 Aug 2008) | 1 line""
[14:36] <cjwatson> well, I'm not sure what could have caused it to work, then, but I know it's broken as-is :-)
[14:36] <mgariepy> plus i had like 35 server isntall with it :)
[14:37] <cjwatson> that's definitely the thing causing the failure - you can see it stopping there in the trace
[14:37] <mgariepy> but it's working now, w'll just have to be more carefull when editing preseed. :)
[14:37] <mgariepy> thanks
[14:39] <mgariepy> cjwatson, what does we do with the bug ?
[14:43] <stgraber> should we consider that a regression from previous d-i where it used to parse the file and just ignore trailing spaces or was that a parser bug that it used to work ?
[15:11] <cr3_> I have the lvm options in a preseed partman-lvm/device_remove_lvm, device_remove_md and confirm. yet, my installation stalled on a bluescreen with this in the logs: Logical volume "LogVol00" successfully removed, Can't remove open logical volume "LogVol01", 0 logical volume(s) in volume group "VolGroup00" now active
[15:11] <cr3_> should I report a bug about this or might there be a problem with my preseed?
[15:12] <davmor2> cr3_: I hate to say this incase I'm wrong but there is a races issue with lvm cjwatson can fill you in more :)
[15:20] <cr3_> davmor2: if it's a known issue, I won't generate more noise by reporting another bug about it. I'll wait for cjwatson's view on the issue
[15:24] <fader> cjwatson: ping
[15:27] <fader> cjwatson: I'm getting an error when running some server installs about the partition being busy.  It seems to clear up if I try it a second time, but this obviously makes running installs through cron problematic.  (Error message to follow)
[15:27] <fader> Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 -- Device or resource busy.  This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting.
[15:27] <fader> cr3 suggested I ask you if you knew a workaround...
[15:28] <cr3_> ... or if this was a known issue :)
[15:31] <cjwatson> stgraber: I am finding it really tough to credit the claim that it worked in 8.04/8.04.1 given that the preseed package literally has not changed at all
[15:31] <cjwatson> stgraber: and given that, to the best of my knowledge, your file should *never* have worked as-is
[15:32] <cjwatson> I honestly think the best answer is to fix the file and move on :)
[15:32] <cjwatson> cr3_,fader: both your problems are part of a general set of bugs being investigated, and that indeed were mentioned in the alpha 5 release notes
[15:33] <cr3_> cjwatson: ack, thanks for the reminder about the release notes!
[15:33] <cjwatson> fader: for a server installation, I would appreciate it if you could try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/tmp/20090226/jaunty-server-i386.iso
[15:33] <cjwatson> that rolls in a udev change from upstream
[15:33] <fader> cjwatson: Will do.  Specifically the -i386 image or will -amd64 work as well?
[15:33] <cjwatson> I am aware that this doesn't fix all the LVM-related bugs
[15:33] <cjwatson> fader: it was built by hand, so I only have i386, sorry
[15:34] <cjwatson> anyway, there should be no need to report a bug; we found out about this before alpha 5 but there wasn't really a way to fix this without significant risk of making things worse
[15:34] <fader> cjwatson: Okay, no problem... I'll grab i386.  It's not 100% reproducible so I can only really verify its presence if it happens again
[15:34] <cjwatson> yes, it's a (set of) race condition(s)
[15:35] <cjwatson> there are two fixes in progress:
[15:35] <cjwatson> 1) make udev remove inotify watches when devices are removed (udev 139-1 includes this)
[15:35] <cjwatson> 2) change parts of the installer that call the LVM tools to call udevadm settle in between
[15:36] <fader> Cool.  I won't file any bugs and I can live with rerunning failed tests by hand for a while.  Thanks, cjwatson :)
[15:39] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1055 ubuntu/debian/changelog:
[15:39] <CIA-3> debian-installer: No-change rebuild to pick up new components (particularly udev with the
[15:39] <CIA-3> debian-installer: inotify-watch-on-device-remove fix, and debian-installer-utils with
[15:39] <CIA-3> debian-installer: update-dev --settle).
[15:41] <mgariepy> cjwatson, i'll have to make another test monday, the install i was using wasn't using partitionning. :
[15:41] <cjwatson> stgraber,mgariepy: in other words, it is my belief that the file *should* never have worked, even if it accidentally did, which makes it difficult for me to consider it as a regression
[15:41] <mgariepy> d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda
[15:41] <mgariepy> d-i partman-auto/method string regular
[15:41] <mgariepy> d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic
[15:42] <mgariepy> d-i partman/confirm_write_new_label boolean true
[15:42] <mgariepy> d-i partman/choose_partition select finish
[15:42] <mgariepy> d-i partman/confirm boolean true
[15:42] <mgariepy> that's the partitioning i was originaly using.
[15:42] <mgariepy> and i assure you that it was working, i'll have more info moday
[15:42] <cjwatson> *that* will work
[15:42] <cjwatson> no continuation lines in there
[15:42] <mgariepy> monday
[15:43] <cjwatson> it's exclusively the continuation line stuff that broke, AFAICS
[15:43] <cjwatson> the semantics are the same as in C
[15:44] <cjwatson> where you have the same property - backslash-space-newline is different from backslash-newline
[15:44] <mgariepy> i'll test and post on the bug monday for more information.
[15:44] <mgariepy> if it's not working, should i set -x in base.sh too ?
[15:44] <cjwatson> yeah
[15:44] <mgariepy> ok :)
[15:44] <cjwatson> probably the quickest way
[15:44] <mgariepy> the quickest way with like 15000 lines hehe
[15:45] <cjwatson> yeah, but consider the round-trip time :)
[15:45] <mgariepy> yeah
[15:45] <cjwatson> it's vast overkill for me, certainly - I have to wade through for the few bits I need - but it's good to be pretty much guaranteed success
[15:46] <mgariepy> well i'm leaving irc now :) cya
[15:46] <cjwatson> ok, thanks
[15:46] <mgariepy> have a nice weekend
[15:46] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1056 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu22
[17:15] <CIA-3> usb-creator: evand * r84 usb-creator/ (Makefile debian/changelog):
[17:15] <CIA-3> usb-creator: Move the addition of usb-creator.desktop.in to POTFILES.in to the build
[17:15] <CIA-3> usb-creator: script.
[17:44] <evand> having an interesting time trying to get a new initrd to not cause a kernel panic, but will hopefully have a solution soon
[18:31] <MountainX> hi-what is the best channel for help installing ubuntu?
[18:31] <MountainX> after I install Ubuntu (8.10, alternate CD 64 bit) on a computer with 5 HDD's, and reboot at the end, the computer fails to boot (black screen, blinking cursor, no message). I think it is looking in the wrong place for the /boot partition. What is the correct way to install a boot partition that isn't on (hd0,0)?


[00:03] <DanaG> yeah... because it's broken.  =t
[00:03] <DanaG> =þ
[00:42] <thewrath> hey all
[00:42] <ienorand> thewrath: Welcome to the void
[00:43]  * genii makes more coffee
[00:45] <thewrath> the void lol
[01:53] <arooni-mobile> seems like jaunty and intel graphics cards dont take well together...........  shold i just wait for next release?  (http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Ubuntu_9.04_(Jaunty_Jackalope)_on_a_ThinkPad_T61)
[01:55] <ienorand> arooni-mobile: This is the channel for Karmic atm... and have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/IntelPerformance and possibly downgrade the driver as per description by the end.
[01:55] <arooni-mobile> i'm wondering if karmic will have better intel support
[01:57] <ienorand> arooni-mobile: They are definitely working on improving them, and trying to get those fixes into jaunty as well... best is to follow the bug reports closely and see what's going on, it is likelythat if they get things working in Karmic, it will be backported to jaunty as well...
[01:59] <arooni-mobile> man i hope so
[01:59] <arooni-mobile> i like being able to upgrade and i hate being treated like a scond class ctizen by running a laptop
[02:07] <ienorand> arooni-mobile: Laptops are inherently trickyer hardware-wise, mostly since it's less standardized. But as I said, if you want you could go for jaunty and downgraded drivers, seems to work for several.
[02:07] <arooni-mobile> yes;  i think i'll wait until that gets fixed in mainline
[02:43] <xxploit> question for those using karmic atm, has plymouth and the new login manager been put in alrdy?
[02:45] <wirechief_> arooni-mobile: seems to be working pretty stable now with the latest fixs
[03:11] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:24] <DanaG> xxploit: looks like "not yet" on gdm and plymouth.
[09:23]  * maxb is amused at aptitude's suggestion
[09:23] <maxb> 2 installs 289 removals
[09:35] <BUGabundo> maxb: lol
[09:35] <BUGabundo> i guess stuff that arent yet on the repos
[09:35] <BUGabundo> or were removed
[10:18] <xerox1> does anybody know when the first iso-version of karmic will be available?
[10:18] <rski> xerox1: probably beta1
[10:18] <xerox1> ah, okay
[10:18] <xerox1> thx
[10:18] <maxb> Hm? Aren't there isos for alphas too?
[10:19] <BUGabundo> rski: u mean alpha1
[10:19] <maxb> There will definitely be isos before beta
[10:19] <maxb> that would be far too late to start iso testing
[10:20] <xerox1> good; this time i would like to use isos instead of upgrading
[10:20] <BUGabundo> xerox1: u can easily get the netboot iso and start  a KVM or VM ...
[10:21] <maxb> xerox1: But why?
[10:21] <xerox1> yeah, realised a few weeks ago that there are netboot isos...didnt know that before
[10:22] <xerox1> maxb, testing jaunty was sometimes painful by upgrading...had several issues just because of upgrading
[10:22] <BUGabundo> and KVM is so easy to do
[10:23] <xerox1> with an iso they should not occure
[10:23] <BUGabundo> oh u are so mistaken
[10:23] <BUGabundo> i've had so many troubles to get ISOs to work
[10:23] <BUGabundo> thats why they also need testing
[10:23] <xerox1> really?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> sure
[10:24] <xerox1> so one more task on my list
[10:24] <BUGabundo> not booting, lack of kernel, fail to support some FSs
[10:24] <BUGabundo> fail to set the user correctly, fail to show the map
[10:24] <BUGabundo> etc
[10:24] <BUGabundo> and this was only during jaunty
[10:24] <hifi> show the map?
[10:24] <BUGabundo> now add all other releases
[10:24] <hifi> oh, you are not talking about the netboot iso
[10:24] <BUGabundo> hifi: the global location map
[10:24] <BUGabundo> hifi: no
[10:25] <BUGabundo> hifi: the desktop livecd
[10:25] <xerox1> hm, greatest trouble was cause by xorg changes at my system
[10:25] <BUGabundo> i really should test the alternate iso too, more times
[10:25] <BUGabundo> last cycle i just tested Final
[10:28] <maxb> Hmm, if we're lucky, the supported-architecture buildds might just have caught up in another day
[11:34] <OldGuest> hi
[11:35] <shadeslayer> !hi | OldGuest
[11:35] <OldGuest> :)
[11:36]  * shadeslayer wonders what in store for Karmic
[11:38] <OldGuest> ubottu tell last update / fix release date for ubuntu 9.0
[11:56] <BUGabundo> need a bug confirmation: change your to be the same pass but add a few NUMBERs to the end!
[12:40] <mib_yt0bx0> in karmci till now is the updatte-manager popunder situation fixed?
[12:41] <BUGabundo> mib_yt0bx0: it wont be! its a "feature"!
[12:43] <mib_yt0bx0> BUGabundo: but i think i read somewhere taht after all the complaints tehy agreed taht they must change it someway and make it more tolerable
[12:47] <BUGabundo> mib_yt0bx0: i havent read the entire bug, but after 2 WontFix from Mark, i dont see it changing
[13:54] <xray7224> hey
[14:59] <shadeslayer> oops
[14:59] <shadeslayer> wrong channel
[16:07] <rski> opsiie
[16:32] <rski> what insurance cover's usage of karmic
[16:32] <rski> maybe it could be a niche?
[16:32]  * rski starts the buisness
[18:10] <calc> is there some way to make pidgin autostart on log in?
[18:13] <pwnguin> yes?
[18:13] <pwnguin> system->preference->startup application
[18:14] <pwnguin> then drag and drop a pidgin icon
[18:15] <calc> ah ok, thanks
[18:15] <pwnguin> i worry for the next generation...
[18:17] <calc> i recalled that session saving doesn't actually work (or didn't) and didn't know if there was a replacement for the .x(files)
[18:28] <kklimonda> hey everyone..
[20:26] <rski> hey.
[20:28] <ienorand> rski: Welcome to the Void
[20:31]  * genii makes more coffee
[21:01] <rski> moar? are you insane
[21:02] <rski> 2cups for me and im up like 3hours extra ;/
[21:25] <chx> hi. i am running konversation kde 4 on Jaunty, installed the deb from Debian experimental. please give us back konversation instead of quassel in karmic. thx.
[21:25] <pwnguin> heh
[21:25] <rski> right on topic
[21:26] <pace_t_zulu> anyone here familiar with build dependencies for debuild or pdebuild?
[21:26] <pwnguin> is konversation not installable in jaunty?
[21:26] <rski> debian binaries not supported in ubuntu
[21:26] <chx> might not be
[21:26] <chx> but it works and works well
[21:26] <rski> good for you
[21:26] <chx> what i am reporting is, there is a konversation for kde4 and works already.
[21:26] <rski> report it to debian or kde upstream then
[21:27] <pwnguin> i guess i dont understand
[21:27] <pwnguin> theres' a konversatino package in jaunty
[21:27] <chx> rski: how/where?
[21:27] <chx> pwnguin: KDE3
[21:27] <rski> hm i dont know reallty but i know debian and kde have a bugzilla
[21:27] <chx> pwnguin: this is KDE4 i am talking of
[21:27] <rski> might be a start
[21:27] <chx> right but ... erm, this is not a bugreport :D
[21:27] <rski> :)
[21:27] <pwnguin> sure it is
[21:27] <rski> feature request?
[21:28] <pwnguin> its a bug if it's not usable in kde4
[21:29] <chx> it is, it's a kde3 app http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/konversation
[21:29] <chx> what i am saying is that http://packages.debian.org/experimental/konversation works in jaunty w/o any problems.
[21:29] <pwnguin> chx: what you might do is ask (politely, and without demands) what can be done to fix this for karmic, and if its possible to backport to jaunty
[21:30] <pwnguin> chx: that you know of
[21:30] <chx> yes
[21:30] <chx> i tried to ask politely and not demand
[21:30] <pwnguin> its possible kubuntu has done something crazy like leave konversation untouched so kde3 has a viable irc client
[21:31] <pwnguin> anyways, the people who make decisions about kubuntu hide in #kubuntu-devel
[21:35] <chx> ahh thanks
[21:59] <BUGabundo> uhh pidgin crashs when adding a new avatar!
[22:00] <charlie-tca> in karmic? Hello, BUGabundo
[22:00] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:00] <BUGabundo> and nvidia not working! :(
[22:01] <charlie-tca> :(
[22:01] <BUGabundo> getting nvidia-kernel-source to see if that fixes
[22:01] <BUGabundo> grrr dpkg is killing my system
[22:02] <BUGabundo> hello charlie-tca
[22:02] <charlie-tca> doesn't sound stable, huh?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[22:03] <BUGabundo> should it?
[22:03] <charlie-tca> a person can only hope.
[22:03] <BUGabundo> it only gets stable between A1 and A5
[22:03] <BUGabundo> other then that, it sucks
[22:04] <BUGabundo> let me install pidgin-dgb and crash it again
[22:07] <BUGabundo> yay backtrace
[22:07] <BUGabundo> its so good when a bug is reproduclable
[22:08] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/164473/
[22:08] <pwnguin> until its unreproducable on a guest user
[22:09] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:09] <BUGabundo> pwnguin: actually made a new LP user file one bug, and describe the other LOL
[22:09] <BUGabundo> can't test it
[22:10] <BUGabundo> but ntfs-config shares a disk with Guest Session
[22:10] <BUGabundo> must file that bug too
[22:13] <skyjumper> any idea why a system would swap like crazy when swappiness = 0 and there's 926MB of cache?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: pwnguin: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/371898
[22:13] <skyjumper> hoping someone here might know... asked in #linux but they're engaged in mindless holy wars
[22:13] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: cache or swap usage?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> skyjumper: I think it does it because swappiness = 0. Try raising that and see what it does.
[22:14] <skyjumper> 926MB cache, 496MB swap
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:14] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo :)
[22:14] <skyjumper> charlie-tca: swappiness = 0 should cause *less* swapping
[22:15] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: hey
[22:15] <skyjumper> trying it at 100
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Why not try somethin like 10
[22:16] <skyjumper> the swapping was happening at the default value, whatever that was
[22:16] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: already karmic on vm? :)
[22:16] <skyjumper> so i'm experimenting
[22:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: vm? what's that??
[22:17] <BUGabundo> vms are for the wimpe
[22:17] <kklimonda> :D
[23:04] <virtuelv> ok, I know, we've in theory moved on to Karmic here, but #ubuntu is a tad noisy
[23:04] <virtuelv> but is there a particular reason why Jaunty refuses to set a resolution for a display that it did accept in the past?
[23:05] <bazhang> virtuelv, #ubuntu is the spot for these questions; here is for Karmic Koala only
[23:06] <tormod> filing a bug would be an option too
[23:06] <virtuelv> here's the thing, I don't know if it is a bug or not, though
[23:07] <tormod> if your monitor says it can handle a certain resolution and Jaunty won't let you, it's a bug
[23:10] <virtuelv> well, xorg.0.log says it can't, but it used to be able to in the past
[23:11] <charlie-tca> This picks up some of that overflow - ##beginners-help
[23:20] <ienorand> charlie-tca: a channel of 13, desperately needs more advertitsing it seems...
[23:20] <charlie-tca> I see. Well, maybe they are trying
[23:25] <ienorand> charlie-tca: I think few things links to that chan, that's the problem... Almost feel it should be the default, with #ubuntu mentioned in topic instead..
[23:26] <charlie-tca> They gave it out in OpenWeek, I had to hope it was really working
[23:30] <ienorand> Ah, then it wasn't to long ago, hopefully It'll even out as time goes.


[06:01] <mapps> hi
[06:42] <knightwise> morning mapps
[06:55] <knightwise> anyone know anything about Wget or Curl ? i have a bit of a challenge
[06:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:00] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[07:01] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[07:06] <knightwise> brobostigon: do you know anyting about Wget ?
[07:07] <knightwise> I'm trying to download a podcast archive from ing timeout: 258 seconds]
[07:07] <knightwise> 20:41 -!- ubot9 [asm@ubuntu/bot/ubot93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 second
[07:07] <knightwise> sorry , wrong paste
[07:07] <knightwise> http://hotcoffee.org/na_page/Podcasts/DSCPodcasts.aspx
[07:07] <knightwise> but Wget only gives me the files on the first page and all the other pages have the same ur
[07:07] <knightwise> l
[07:09] <brobostigon> not really, othr than the obvious. sorry.
[07:10] <knightwise> np
[08:11] <czajkowski> morning
[08:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:13] <czajkowski> davmor2: hows tricks?
[08:14] <davmor2> quite good today I managed to make my desktop disappear by just turning my system on grrrrr nvidia binaries
[08:15] <davmor2> other than that great I can put a card anywhere in the deck and make it appear on top as if by magic
[08:15] <davmor2> oh you meant how am I didn't you ;)  I'm good ta czajkowski how am ya
[08:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: well you of all people are talented so you know, anything is possible
[08:50] <popey> bah, silly github
[08:52] <popey> people are forking UnrealEngine and you get autosubscribed to the forks
[08:52] <popey> slow clap
[09:02] <knightwise> popey: you back from germania yet ?
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Take Your Houseplant For A Walk Day! 😃  🌷 🌹
[09:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:16] <popey> knightwise: yup
[10:53]  * awilkins is installing Win10 in a VM
[10:53] <awilkins> Sod this "run Ubuntu on Windows" thing. I'm running Windows on Ubuntu.
[11:02] <knightwise> awilkins: goodforyou :)
[11:05] <daftykins> they're not even remotely comparable :P
[11:07] <awilkins> I know
[11:07] <awilkins> But meh
[11:14] <knightwise> :) /me is downloading all the old Daily sourcecode episodes :)
[11:14] <knightwise>  Podcast nostaliga
[11:16] <popey> adam curry?
[11:18] <davmor2> popey: why would you curry adam sweet that's not gonna be tasty at all :P
[11:18] <popey> mmm, curry
[11:19] <popey> also, just remembered I have some chicken wings left over which I can re-heat for lunch
[11:19] <popey> huzzah
[11:19] <daftykins> everyone over to popey's for lunch!
[11:20]  * popey quickly easts all the wings
[11:21] <daftykins> :o
[11:21]  * davmor2 moves popey back to the west so everyone else can eat the wings
[11:23] <knightwise> popey: correct :)
[11:24] <knightwise>  I found podcasting through the DSC in 2004
[11:24] <knightwise> I actually found the ep where the name "Knightwise" is mentioned on a podcast for the very first time :)
[11:25] <daftykins> fame!
[11:26] <DJones> infamy more like
[11:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: walking house plants you say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HLGkgM5U50
[11:27] <DJones> As As Kenneth Williams said "Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me!"
[11:28] <daftykins> amazing, i read that in the voice of Ken Bruce from Radio 2 :D
[11:31] <knightwise> DJones: oh ... We where young and naive
[11:36] <DJones> knightwise: You speak for yourself, I still consider myself to be young and naive
[11:36]  * daftykins allows everyone to draw straws
[11:37] <DJones> ok, I  might be hitting 50 next month so young(ish) and naive
[11:38] <czajkowski> .c
[11:43] <daftykins> whatever my old graphics card was doing to these machines i've been working on, it seemed to be ruining their BIOSs - a reflash of one is making it behave again o0
[11:45] <popey> speaking of infamy.. did I mention my encounter on a german train last week?
[11:47] <davmor2> popey: and the guy saying Popey when he heard you
[11:47] <daftykins> followed by a car chase with a man in a penguin suit
[11:47] <popey> haha
[11:47] <popey> :)
[12:32] <daftykins> should get my new keyboard by the weekend \o/
[12:32] <daftykins> no more basic membrane-based Dell cheapy!
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> a proper ibm model m or modern remake? :-)
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> a backup weapon in event of zombie apocalypse...
[12:33] <daftykins> oh dear no, that'd be a bit too hipster a choice
[12:33] <daftykins> :) my das keyboard had about that amount of heft to it, before it began regularly dropping vowels
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> not built to the same industrial level of quality
[12:34] <daftykins> yu culd tell my keybard had a prblem with O's
[12:34] <daftykins> well i couldn't bear to use a thing without super
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> that's when you use 0 instead of leet speek
[12:35] <daftykins> :>
[12:36] <daftykins> hmm pesky slow paying clients, how'd you handle those, zmoylan-pi?
[12:36] <daftykins> threaten to swap all their mouses for comedy ones?
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> i show them my collection of hammers
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> ...and then my collection of singing potatos... :-P
[12:37] <daftykins> wow, that ought to be worse than sitting through a Celine Dion concert
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> no one has complained... >:-)
[12:38] <daftykins> not more than once, at least
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> and if you start counting at 0 it all balances out...
[12:44]  * daftykins hands zmoylan-pi an old CPU
[12:46]  * zmoylan-pi sniffs the cpu and determined it came from the north side of the intel plant at leixlip...
[12:46] <daftykins> :>
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> LonelyGirl15 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonelygirl15) uses Ubuntu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwklfIbSAgA
[13:46] <diddledan> I think I must have missed lonelygirl15, I don't remember it
[13:46] <zmoylan-pi> it was a marketing scheme from yonks back that seems to have restarted
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> from 2006... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonelygirl15
[13:48] <solarisfire> Hey guys, how come I still can't upgrade my 14.04 LTS servers to 16.04.1 even though it's at the point release now??
[13:49] <daftykins> because it needs to be ok'd
[13:49] <daftykins> and it hasn't!
[13:49] <daftykins> don't be in a rush to fix what isn't broken ;)
[13:49] <solarisfire> But I <3 new shiny stuffz XD
[13:50] <daftykins> as much as you love your backups and breakage?
[13:50] <solarisfire> What's a backup?
[13:50] <daftykins> goodbye.
[13:50] <solarisfire> Haha XD
[13:50] <solarisfire> Fine, I'll wait...
[13:50] <solarisfire> *sits patiently*
[13:50] <daftykins> do it silently :P
[15:45] <daftykins> haha, track a package on yodel - "your item was at your local depot at 00:26 today"
[15:46] <daftykins> *click more detail* your local depot - Southampton
[15:46] <daftykins> doh!
[15:46] <diddledan> trouble at tor appears to be concluded? https://blog.torproject.org/blog/statement-0
[15:46] <diddledan> daftykins: yodel are evil
[15:48] <daftykins> you have to do it where there's an echo, sir
[15:48] <daftykins> it doesn't really matter too much because we just have folks in white vans that operate as a given courier, so if their rep in England is bad, you'd have to be pretty rubbish to fail at deliveries in an island
[15:50] <daftykins> hmm folk in other channels tried to pass off the Tor thing as being a psychological campaign to discredit the project by the US gov, but it'd be quite the work to get folk to come up with the accusations that've been going around
[15:50] <daftykins> strikes me that that project is not a safe one to go near
[15:51] <diddledan> echos as in: https://youtu.be/DBVTBTUbKdU?t=37
[15:52] <daftykins> the very same, but more like coming off a mountainside
[15:54] <daftykins> oh i just remembered a thing i was supposed to do!
[15:54] <diddledan> pee?
[15:56] <daftykins> no!
[15:56] <daftykins> client got a text from O2 about his 'upgrade' coming up, which i'm a bit puzzled on since we have a SIM only service for him there
[15:57] <diddledan> haha
[15:58] <daftykins> one of my jobs a bit ago was to research UK telcos and pick him one for his worldwide travel
[15:58] <daftykins> because on-island telcos charge a lot just to go to England, most folk have to carry two phones
[15:59] <popey> dual sim phones ftw
[15:59] <daftykins> that would not work with things like whatsapp
[15:59] <popey> why?
[16:00] <daftykins> the single instance app handled identity by phone number, so if you switched from one to the other you'd have to be tied to just one of them as your identity
[16:00] <daftykins> *handles
[16:00] <popey> people have multiple whatsapp accounts?
[16:00] <daftykins> my client does
[16:01] <daftykins> i wonder how the app even sees those phones
[16:01] <daftykins> i suppose they're developed to consider one primary?
[16:01] <popey> works fine here, with only one account
[16:01] <popey> it doesn't care about the phone number once authed
[16:01] <daftykins> ah i suppose it's only when a SIM is removed it drops some bricks
[16:01] <popey> I haven't had that problem
[16:01] <popey> I swap sims a lot when travelling
[16:02] <daftykins> for some reason i had it in my head that you have to reboot between SIMs, but now i think about it i've seen those phones where both are connected at once
[16:02] <popey> 2fa tied to one sim, so i have to put that one in sometimes
[16:02] <popey> then swap back to local sim for better data rates
[16:02] <daftykins> mmm that must be fun
[16:02] <popey> yeah, now I use 2nd sim slot for SD card, it's more annoying
[16:02] <popey> try not to do 2fa type things when away
[16:02] <popey> or have another 2fa auth provider like google authenticator
[16:03] <daftykins> yarr
[16:03] <daftykins> my MS one has decided it won't pop up auto anymore and makes me enter codes from it like the google one :(
[16:03] <popey> :(
[16:03] <daftykins> i quite liked the auto one, it would just come up with a notification with allow/deny
[16:03] <popey> i re-flashed phone and now use sd card which makes it impossibe to use two sims now
[16:05] <daftykins> i suppose one plus the ubuntu phone OS might have is not going redundant so quick like android...
[16:06] <daftykins> very strange news claiming blackberry are producing another handset, they don't realise they're dead!
[16:07] <popey> daughter had two teeth out today. she looks like she's had botox on her lips
[16:07] <popey> quite amusing
[16:08] <daftykins> XD
[16:09] <daftykins> best control the social media shares, otherwise you'll be on the daily mail before bed time ;)
[16:13] <popey> heh
[16:16] <daftykins> time to raid the 4 pack of blueberry muffins in the kitchen :)
[16:20] <diddledan> they won't last long once you've started on them
[16:21] <daftykins> such is their fate
[16:25] <diddledan> the red-band trailer for sausage party is awesome (and not safe for kids)
[16:31] <daftykins> as is that whole sentence :o
[17:53] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJXXckWLc0E bikes i would not ride O_O
[17:56] <DJones> Sheesh.. Nut job
[17:57] <DJones> That looks like something a clown would ride at billy smarts circus
[18:17] <daftykins> diddledan: https://i.imgur.com/iSNS67H.jpg
[18:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD_> hi
[18:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:47] <popey> SebthreeBQM10HD: hello
[19:15] <SebthreeBQM10HD> 1
[19:21] <daftykins> 2
[19:21] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, 3
[19:21] <daftykins> sup
[19:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> nm u
[19:28] <daftykins> mmm sorting old these old PCs still!
[19:29] <daftykins> two core 2 quads with 8GB RAM now \o/
[19:29] <daftykins> and SSDs
[19:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[19:33] <daftykins> pretty decent for spares
[19:42] <diddledan> daftykins: I'm not sure that cat is properly earthed
[19:43] <daftykins> it's funny, i used to joke with a guy on quakenet many moons ago that it was all about rubbing parts on your cat before fitting them
[19:50] <MooDoo> whatsaaaaap!
[19:50] <diddledan> I have no idea what the point of WhatsApp is
[19:50] <daftykins> watchin' the game, having anything except Bud
[19:50] <diddledan> true.
[19:51] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/NsJLhRGPv-M
[19:53] <daftykins> yep could not finish :P
[21:07] <diddledan> interesting: http://qz.com/741933/internet-trolls-are-even-more-hostile-when-theyre-using-their-real-names-a-study-finds/
[22:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[22:32] <daftykins> oof nothing like blowing your lighting circuit to wake you up
[22:32] <daftykins> *click* to turn on the bathroom light, *POP* and everything went :>
[22:52] <diddledan> \o/
[22:52] <diddledan> RCDs are too sensitive at times
[22:53] <daftykins> it's amusing because that's one plugged into my old porcelain fuse wire board :P
[22:53] <daftykins> the only one... in fact
[22:53] <daftykins> *sigh* i see the sensational journalists are at it again about the next windows 10 release already
[22:53] <daftykins> "rah rah you can't turn off Cortana zomg!"
[22:54] <daftykins> excuse me sir, may i point out that you're running a _Microsoft_ account in order to access that insider preview build?
[22:54] <daftykins> ugh.
[22:55]  * zmoylan-pi wonders if there's money in a service that will disable the mic on laptops/phones...
[22:56] <daftykins> ah the tinfoilers would never go for it, you'd have to do teardowns and unplug
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> i have a few old android phones here i'm tempted to try drilling into the mic a few mm to see what the kill depth is...
[22:58] <daftykins> earlier i was half wondering if old phones could be used instead of Pis for the music player i made out of mine
[22:58] <daftykins> i was just enjoying some more Vangelis Blade Runner soundtrack down in my lounge from it :)
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> can't go wrong with vangelis...
[23:00] <daftykins> i was debating buying this pair of Wharfedale Diamond 9.1's and a NAD amp off a local trade site
[23:01] <daftykins> my bedroom setup is quite rubbish
[23:07] <diddledan> Microsoft are doing more Linux stuff: https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/07/27/chakracore-on-linux-osx/
[23:08] <daftykins> Chakra, must be Naruto
[23:09] <diddledan> it's the javascript stuff ripped from edge
[23:10] <diddledan> they're putting it into nodejs as an alternative from the google v8
[23:25] <daftykins> time for bed, g'night!


[12:38] <sveinse> Are there any updated armhf repos that are also tracking xenial security updates?
[16:28] <patrask> sveinse: ports.ubuntu.com ship security updates as -updates
[16:32] <patrask> sveinse: tho there's also a -security repo that you may want to add


[00:12] <tkamppeter> Hi, it is about the system-config-printer_1.4.3+20140219-0ubuntu2.4 SRU for Trusty, please reject it, it slipped in a wrong dependency, on cups-filters-ippusbxd which is not in Trusty.