 :D
[01:23]  * drc now understands the need for eye-bleach.
[01:25] <bluesabre> haha
[01:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Anything else I need to ping you about? :P
[01:29] <bluesabre> if you think of anything, drop me a line
[01:30]  * Unit193 calls bluesabre.
[01:31]  * bluesabre expects phone to start ringing
[01:31] <Unit193> Pretty sure elfy mentioned getting stuff that we actually want from staging into the real archive, but not sure what's pending right now.
[01:32] <bluesabre> probably lots
[01:32] <bluesabre> need to get light-locker and xfpm uploaded
[02:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: before I upload light-locker and xfpm, were there any concerns/complaints about the one in -staging?
[02:47] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, welcome back
[02:47] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: hey
[02:47] <bluesabre> working on taskmanager now
[02:49] <bluesabre> and.... uploaded
[03:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not a clue.
[03:05] <bluesabre> Thanks!
[03:05] <bluesabre> I think :P
[03:10] <Unit193> I think we can all agree, hamster is useless for us. :P
[03:11] <bluesabre> <3 hamster
[03:14] <Unit193> Nooo, xfce4-hamster-plugin, since you're going through the PPAs. :P
[03:16] <bluesabre> :D
[03:16] <bluesabre> just trying to dent my backlog :)
[03:17] <bluesabre> annoyingly, I feel the need to rebuild things before I try to upload, so it takes a while
[03:17] <Unit193> Ah, good choice.
[03:18] <Unit193> Anything fun in the backlog?
[03:18] <bluesabre> not really, building light-locker now and watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5tkGmavfvQ
[03:21] <Unit193> Ah, this will be the new settings then.
[03:24] <Unit193> bluesabre: So what about the others anywho, while it's building mind giving your thoughts on it?
[03:25] <bluesabre> yeah, light-locker and xfpm-settings
[03:25] <bluesabre> as for the others, checking now
[03:26] <Unit193> Oh sorry, meant in extras.  But anywho, branched xubuntu.vivid, so as soon as you upload I can push the removal of -settings.
[03:56] <bluesabre> uploaded, but wait a bit longer for xubuntu.vivid dropping -settings
[03:56] <bluesabre> want to fix it for the new release before losing upload rights :)
[03:58] <Unit193> Figured you would, yep.  Do you lose rights quickly then?
[03:59] <bluesabre> I think the packageset gets updated daily
[04:09] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, do panel yet?  If not, http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=e01b5aba18226b52227549f13f6f74dc447464d3 - http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/commit/?id=1cfbcde589ebd4f59296202296d9e9e42252b8c1 review these maybe?
[04:10] <bluesabre> already did panel (everything goes to -proposed it seems), but I can take a look at that tomorrow perhaps
[04:11] <Unit193> OK.
[04:14] <bluesabre> I think that's a good start for tonight... be back tomorrow
[04:14] <bluesabre> g'night
[04:14] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras/+packages and to the fate of those too, it's a thing to look at later.
[04:14] <Unit193> G'night!
[08:53] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:55] <ochosi> elfy: so, my (final) patch for shaded windows and intelligent hiding was pushed last night, so it' ll be in the next release and we can (if we want) carry it as a patch before that. but it's probably not crucial enough
[09:05] <elfy> hi ochosi
[09:05] <elfy> and okey doke :)
[09:05] <andrzejr> ochosi, if you need a release (when?) just let me know
[09:06] <ochosi> andrzejr: thanks! well not sure a single commit warrants a release, but i'll keep that in mind
[09:06] <ochosi> i hope there'll be more commits until 15.04 ;)
[09:07] <andrzejr> when is the freeze?
[09:08] <ochosi> in ~2months
[09:08] <ochosi> so enough time
[09:08] <ochosi> (bugfix releases could be sneaked in until late in the cycle)
[09:08] <andrzejr> OK, thanks. gtg
[09:10] <ochosi> sure, ttyl andrzejr
[09:10] <ochosi> elfy: i talked to some folks in ubuntu desktop about the menuitem problem we've been seeing with transmission
[09:10] <ochosi> and we debugged it together, pointing to a bug (or: unwanted behavior) of gtk itself
[09:11] <ochosi> now the final suggestion was to disable icons in menus altogether (since that also fixes the issue)
[09:13] <elfy> that'll be one of those things that I don't see unless it's pointed out to me then ;)
[09:13] <ochosi> hah, not sure tbh
[09:13] <ochosi> you might end up seeing it
[09:13] <elfy> looks fine to me :)
[09:13] <ochosi> have you flipped the switch already?
[09:14] <elfy> switch?
[09:14] <elfy> just running here with defaults except staging and shimmer ppa's (possibly unit's)
[09:14] <ochosi> oh right, you mean you won't notice the bug in transmission
[09:15] <elfy> yea :)
[09:15] <elfy> old eyes - need new glasses :p
[09:15] <ochosi> so just so we get everything right, let's start from the top
[09:15] <ochosi> open transmission -> see the padding on the left of the items in the menubar
[09:16] <elfy> don't know what you mean by padding :)
[09:16] <ochosi> click e.g. the "file" menu and see that the menubar-menuitem has weird padding
[09:16] <ochosi> well an empty space on the left
[09:17] <elfy> oh right
[09:17] <elfy> yea - I see that :)
[09:17] <ochosi> ok, now open the settings editor
[09:17] <ochosi> go to xsettings > Gtk
[09:17] <ochosi> and there should be an entry "MenuImages"
[09:17] <ochosi> untick that box
[09:18] <elfy> yep - see the effect too
[09:18] <ochosi> so transmission should be fixed
[09:18] <elfy> yep - I can see that and agree with you :)
[09:19] <ochosi> ok, now try to live with that setting for a day
[09:20] <elfy> ok
[09:21] <ochosi> we'll see, maybe we get the bug fixed upstream thoguh
[09:21] <ochosi> then we can keep the icons
[09:22] <elfy> so - while this looks ok with transmission with only text and no icons - others with both look odd?
[09:23] <ochosi> just open a menu in e.g. thunar
[09:23] <ochosi> right click in a folder
[09:23] <ochosi> that gives you a good idea of the effect
[09:24] <elfy> mmm
[09:24] <elfy> I can see now that's going to annoy me :)
[09:24] <ochosi> yeah
[09:24] <ochosi> i was afraid it would annoy all of us
[09:25] <ochosi> i'm actually pretty sure that nobody here wants to get rid of icons in menus
[09:25] <ochosi> it's what upstream gtk wants though
[09:25] <elfy> I don't actually really read those menus ...
[09:25] <elfy> mmm - how surprising
[09:27] <elfy> given the choice between odd padding and icons - I'd go for odd padding :)
[09:28] <ochosi> thing is, it might take quite a bit of effort to get that bug fixed (and to find the culprit) upstream, so i wanna make sure it's worth the effort before i invest lots of time
[09:29] <elfy> well from my pov
[09:29] <elfy> I didn't even take any notice
[09:29] <elfy> I understand that your pov is you see when something is 1px wrong :)
[09:30] <ochosi> that's 16px!!!
[09:30] <ochosi> ;)
[09:31] <elfy> ha ha ha
[09:31] <ochosi> but yeah, it's probably not worth this sort of workaround, we'll see
[09:31] <elfy> and ...
[09:31] <elfy> I've ticked the box already
[09:32] <elfy> imagine someone using English settings that has English as a third language or something - they'll be using icons :)
[09:58] <ochosi> elfy: wow, i think that setting is really a clear no-go. the power manager panel plugin looks like craaaaap
[09:59] <ochosi> uargh, and the old appmenu in the panel is even worse
[10:07] <elfy> my ind stuff in the panel's all fubar currently so can't tell
[10:07] <elfy> but I looked at the old appmenu ...
[10:07] <elfy> we can't do that to people :)
[10:08] <ochosi> yeah
[10:08] <ochosi> weird that your indicators are all messed up
[10:08] <ochosi> maybe i should create a new user in vivid
[10:09] <ochosi> i'm currently sharing my profile between a trusty and vivid install
[10:09] <elfy> yep - expecting ssd this morning - will be doing some clean installs today, will check afterwards
[10:09] <elfy> seemed to lose the sound ind after installing a new soundcard - though probably coincidence
[10:11] <ochosi> ok, created a new user just to be sure and everything is fine with the indicators
[10:11] <ochosi> so i'm not sure what's up with your installation
[10:11] <elfy> ochosi: well ... you know - fiddle about doesn't help :p
[10:12] <ochosi> yeah, probably not
[10:12] <elfy> if it's still the same after clean install I'll be more concerned
[10:12] <ochosi> yup
[10:12] <ochosi> you saw the trello thingy i started for gtk3 issues, right?
[10:12] <elfy> yep I did thanks
[10:12] <ochosi> ok
[10:12] <ochosi> feel free to add stuff if you notice
[10:12] <ochosi> or maybe i also forgot to list something we already discovered
[10:13] <ochosi> (should've started this list earlier)
[10:14] <elfy> I will - but given it's likely I'll not notice so much - but I'll keep an eye on it, subscribed to it
[10:22] <elfy> logs are on wiki now
[10:23] <elfy> ochosi: so bluesabre thinks best not to bother with A2 as well it seems
[10:46] <elfy> hi slickymasterWork - do you know that it's your turn to set up the next meeting ...
[10:47] <elfy> if you didn't - you do now :p
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> yes I know, I was going to do it today
[10:47] <elfy> :)
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> elfy, 22:00 UTC is still a good hour for you?
[10:56] <elfy> ok for me - but don't set time specifically for me :)
[10:56] <elfy> next one I set I'm going to do on a day off during the day to suit bluesabre :)
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> on one of yours?
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> the day off I mean
[10:57] <ochosi> elfy: right, in that case i'm fine with skipping a2
[10:57] <slickymasterWork> hey ochosi
[10:57] <ochosi> hey slickymasterWork
[10:58] <elfy> slickymasterWork: yea
[10:58] <ochosi> how's it going?
[10:58] <elfy> ochosi: ok
[10:58] <slickymasterWork> doing fine. a bit tired though
[11:04] <bluesabre> yes, let's skip it
[11:04] <bluesabre> :)
[11:05] <ochosi> morning bluesabre, and congrats on your internet ;)
[11:05] <bluesabre> ty
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> hey bluesabre
[11:06] <ochosi> first question
[11:06] <ochosi> you mentioned an xfpm build last night
[11:06] <ochosi> but the one in staging never built
[11:06] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, is 22:00 UTC alright with you for the next meeting?
[11:06] <ochosi> so testing the light-locker patch wasn't possible
[11:06] <ochosi> (i mean i've tested it with my local build, but others haven't)
[11:07] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: I'll do my best
[11:07] <bluesabre> ochosi: well, its pushed to the archive now
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> I can set another hour if you give a time frame
[11:07] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: I'll make it work
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> that works for you
[11:07] <slickymasterWork> ok, thanks
[11:09] <ochosi> bluesabre: incl the patch?
[11:10] <ochosi> i have 1.4.2-0ubuntu3, would that be it?
[11:10] <bluesabre> should be
[11:10] <bluesabre> xfce4-power-manager (1.4.2-0ubuntu3) vivid; urgency=medium
[11:10] <bluesabre>   * debian/patches: Add ll_integration.patch, for light-locker
[11:10] <bluesabre>     integration in xfce4-power-manager-settings
[11:10] <bluesabre>  -- Sean Davis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 08 Jan 2015 22:36:37 -0500
[11:11] <bluesabre> light-locker (1.5.1-0ubuntu1) vivid; urgency=medium
[11:11] <bluesabre>   * New development release.
[11:11] <bluesabre>   * Merged packaging from debian unstable, remaining changes:
[11:11] <bluesabre>     - debian/control:
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Remove liblightdm-gobject-dev, not in Ubuntu and not required
[11:11] <bluesabre>         to build and operate
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Add light-locker-settings | xfce4-power-manager to Recommends
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Update standards version to 3.9.6
[11:11] <bluesabre>     - debian/rules:
[11:11] <bluesabre>       - Build with no-lock-on-suspend and late-locking support
[11:11] <bluesabre>  -- Sean Davis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 17 Dec 2014 06:30:58 -0500
[11:12] <ochosi> right, then i have to report that it doesn't work
[11:12] <bluesabre> :\
[11:12] <ochosi> no security-tab in xfpm-settings
[11:12] <ochosi> i have both of those packages in the referred-to versions
[11:12] <slickymasterWork> damn wiki
[11:13] <bluesabre> open dconf-editor and check if /apps/light-locker exists
[11:13] <ochosi> it does
[11:13] <ochosi> might also exist from before
[11:13] <bluesabre> and open xfce4-power-manager-settings in terminal
[11:13] <ochosi> i think i've tested 1.5.1 locally here
[11:14] <ochosi> yeah, i've done that
[11:14] <ochosi> just some warnings
[11:14] <ochosi> (xfce4-power-manager-settings:11313): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion 'GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed
[11:14] <bluesabre> any output?
[11:14] <ochosi> etc
[11:14] <bluesabre> hm
[11:15]  * bluesabre downloads a vivid daily iso
[11:16]  * ochosi tries a new user profile
[11:16] <ochosi> brb
[11:16] <elfy> back in a while
[11:17] <ochosi> same with a blank user profile
[11:18] <ochosi> maybe we need to add some debug statements for the light-locker integration
[11:19] <bluesabre> there is
[11:19] <bluesabre> +    } else {
[11:19] <bluesabre> +        g_warning("Schema \"apps.light-locker\" not found. Not configuring Light Locker.");
[11:19] <bluesabre> +        gtk_widget_hide (light_locker_tab);
[11:19] <ochosi> ah ok
[11:19] <ochosi> hm
[11:19] <bluesabre> if the tab is to be hidden, you'll see a message
[11:20] <ochosi> then i guess it's just the tab showing/hiding that doesn't work as presumed..?
[11:20] <bluesabre> do you have a local install of xfpm?
[11:20] <ochosi> since it's hidden
[11:20] <ochosi> nope, i don't think so
[11:20] <ochosi> and even if i had, it would be overridden by the package upgrade already
[11:20] <ochosi> (or even: overwritten)
[11:20] <bluesabre> not if its in /usr/local
[11:21] <bluesabre> which xfce4-power-manager
[11:21] <ochosi> yeah, but there's nothing
[11:21] <ochosi> i'm running all from /usr/bin
[11:22] <bluesabre> if there's no warning and no tab, theres an issue with the install
[11:22] <ochosi> you mean with the packaging?
[11:22] <ochosi> ;)
[11:22] <bluesabre> nope :P
[11:23] <bluesabre> I'll take a look later.... my internet seems slow for ISOs
[11:24] <jhenke> hi folks, if any of you have some time to look at bug 1408979 (UI/theming)
[11:25] <ochosi> jhenke: numix is fixed or will be, the others aren't maintained/supported anymore
[11:25] <ochosi> if you wanna submit a patch for that, i'll probably merge it
[11:25] <ochosi> but i don't have time to maintain all those themes, so in the future only numix+greybird
[11:26] <jhenke> okay, Numix is the important for me :)
[11:26] <jhenke> thanks anyway for all you theming work
[11:26] <ochosi> np
[11:26] <ochosi> had to take that decision with gtk3.14 demanding many changes in the theme again
[11:26] <ochosi> (introducing a new button state etc)
[11:27] <ochosi> it's just sucking up too much time
[11:28] <jhenke> I'll file another bug about Numix btw, in some applications like Synaptic the unchekced checkbox is not visible at all
[11:29] <ochosi> in menus?
[11:29] <ochosi> i'd say try with the shimmer-daily PPA first
[11:29] <ochosi> then you'll see whether the bug is already fixed
[11:29] <jhenke> I saw that both in the ubuntu installer and synpatic
[11:31] <ali12341> ochosi: is orion unsupported then?
[11:35] <ochosi> ali12341: yup
[11:35] <ali12341> i will take over maintaining it then
[11:35] <ochosi> nice
[11:36] <ochosi> as long as it's maintained, i don't mind shipping it by default
[11:36] <jhenke> afaik the themes are mostly a set of css files?
[11:36] <ali12341> what needs to be done with it?
[11:36] <ali12341> or: where are the bugs?
[11:37] <ochosi> jhenke: mostly. i patched up greybird to mostly work with gtk3.14, but a rewrite in SASS might happen at some point so to be able to keep in sync with gtk's changes more easily
[11:37] <ochosi> ali12341: i guess you'll have to look for them yourself (the bugs), you can use greybird's git log for orientation though. the themes are fairly similar, so porting greybird's patches to orion would be step 1
[11:37] <jhenke> are your changes visible in the git commits on the githuib projects?
[11:38] <ochosi> yeah
[11:38] <jhenke> okay was thinking whether it is feasable to port your greybird work to Albatross as well
[11:38] <ochosi> it is
[11:38] <ochosi> it's just a mattter of time
[11:39] <ochosi> ali12341: starting with this commit: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/6f8013cf293f2484b1896bfaaa0a052c02b1f83b
[11:39] <jhenke> maybe it would work if there were one person for every theme
[11:39] <ochosi> yeah
[11:39] <ochosi> if you wanna maintain a theme, that'd be welcome
[11:40] <ali12341> so where do i get gtk 3.14?
[11:40] <ali12341> vivid?
[11:40] <ochosi> yup
[11:40] <ochosi> or a PPA
[11:40] <ochosi> but vivid is probably more reliable
[11:40] <ochosi> as there might be ubuntu-specific patches
[11:40] <ali12341> is it working at the moment if i get the ISO?
[11:41] <ochosi> it should, i've been on vivid for a while
[11:42] <jhenke> ali12341 most safe way is if you can use a vm
[11:48] <ochosi> slaveworx: for qa you best talk to elfy
[11:49] <ochosi> he's not around right now, but he'll come back#
[11:51] <jhenke> ochosi let's say I consider adopting Albatross then once I get my new hardware, right now I cannot run xubuntu on any bare metal sadly :(
[11:52] <ochosi> sure, let's say that ;)
[11:52] <ochosi> you can adopt it anytime you want
[11:52] <ochosi> as long as it's before UIF
[11:53] <bluesabre> oh man, sure enough, no security tab in vivid
[11:53] <jhenke> one thing: I assume it is normal that the sound indicator does not have any icon right now? it is just a blank square
[11:53] <bluesabre> :\
[11:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: i'll take a look at that this weekend I suppose
[11:55] <bluesabre> judging by the warnings, I'd say something happened with patching the ui file
[11:56] <bluesabre> and since the security frame is missing, it looks like it tried to load it, but died
[11:57] <ochosi> jhenke: that's weird and a bug. elfy had the same problem, for some reason i don't
[11:57] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm :/
[11:58] <ochosi> yeah, seems like the patch in the UI file failed somewhere
[11:58] <ochosi> maybe just a few wrong glade tags?
[11:58] <bluesabre> dunno... I'll have to experiment with it
[12:02] <slaveworx> ochosi: thank you! I'l wait for him to come!
[12:03] <bluesabre> the patch seems to apply fine, so I'll have to keep an eye on the build process to get an idea
[12:03] <bluesabre> time to get ready for work, bbl
[12:05] <bluesabre> ah
[12:06] <bluesabre> I bet I need to update the header file, probably not touched outside of maintainer mode
[12:08] <jhenke> ochosi okay, is there a bug about it already?
[12:08] <ochosi> jhenke: a bug about what?
[12:09] <jhenke> sound-indicator/missing icon
[12:10] <ochosi> ah right
[12:10] <ochosi> maybe not
[12:10] <ochosi> i haven't seen that bug personally
[12:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: did you notice the sound indicator missing in your vivid daily?
[12:11] <ochosi> sry, the icon of the sound-indicator
[12:12] <jhenke> you can also see it in the screen shot I uploaded to bug 1408979
[12:12] <ochosi> it's actually hard to see there, but yes
[12:12] <ochosi> is this vivid daily?
[12:13] <jhenke> yes
[12:13] <ochosi> could you add the shimmer-daily PPA and see whether that helps? it also has the icons from git
[12:15] <bluesabre> seems to work in mine, might have some ppas set up though
[12:16] <bluesabre> ochosi: pretty sure I tracked down the issue, doing a test build now
[12:16] <jhenke> shimmer ppa is installed, but still empty square
[12:16] <bluesabre> for xfpm
[12:16] <ochosi> jhenke: have you restarted your session?
[12:16] <jhenke> yep
[12:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: nice! so outdated headers?
[12:17] <ochosi> jhenke: very strange... not sure what that is about
[12:17] <jhenke> me too, just asking to let you know about it in time
[12:17] <ochosi> would be nice if you could file a bugreport against xubuntu-artwork
[12:17] <ochosi> just so that i don't forget
[12:18] <ochosi> but i'm not sure where to start debugging this
[12:18] <ochosi> please check whether the icon is there with other themes
[12:19] <jhenke> I did not see that icon with any theme... :(
[12:19] <jhenke> but the sound indicator seems to be bugged itself too
[12:19] <jhenke> it sometimes crashes on start up/login
[12:20] <ochosi> mh
[12:20] <ochosi> i see
[12:20] <ochosi> its menu also doesn't work 100% here
[12:20] <ochosi> the volume scale is broken
[12:20] <ochosi> so it might not be entirely fixed with gtk3.14
[12:21] <ochosi> so skip that bugreport then, i don't think it's related to our icon theme
[12:21] <jhenke> okay good to know
[12:22] <ochosi> it's a known issue, just confirmed that in #u-desktop
[12:26] <bluesabre> verified
[12:26] <bluesabre> uploading now
[12:26] <ochosi> sweet
[12:26] <ochosi> thanks bluesabre
[12:31] <bluesabre> uploaded
[12:31] <bluesabre> enjoy when that builds and is available :)
[12:31] <ochosi> nice, will do ;)
[12:32] <ochosi> and the next step will be patching xdg-utils for light-locker
[12:32] <ochosi> and disabling locking on suspend by default
[12:32] <ochosi> then i think we're done in that department
[12:33] <jhenke> ochosi when do you plan to upload the changes in the theme to the official package?
[12:33] <brainwash> ochosi, jhenke: sound indicator works perfectly here, no glitches whatsoever (up-to-date vidid)
[12:33] <jhenke> since shimmer-daily ppa seems to fix the other two ui problems
[12:34] <jhenke> brainwash thanks, strange, here it is broken, but it seems to be known and not xubuntu specific after what ochosi said
[12:38] <ali12341> http://i.imgur.com/NEJMKUv.png
[12:45] <brainwash> bluesabre: logind-handle-lid-switch is set to false (xubu default settings), but the logic has been inverted in xfpm 1.4
[12:45] <brainwash> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/commit/?id=03193df6cad651841e8d9960335b4a3bf13afdad
[12:46] <brainwash> shouldn't it be set to true now (utopic and up)?
[12:47] <brainwash> I've asked about this some time ago, maybe you've already given some explanation =S
[12:59] <ali12341> i just discovered something slightly interesting
[13:00] <ali12341> in ubiquity when you get the black background, if you press alt-f1 a message pops up saying "no running xfce4-panel instance found". close it, and the background turns blue
[13:00] <ali12341> that is, the wallpaper loads correctly
[13:01] <ali12341> looks like xfdesktop loaded
[13:02] <ali12341> the weird scrollbar in the slideshow is fixed too
[13:20] <brainwash> ali12341: and let me guess, the unnecessary maximize button is gone too?
[13:21] <ali12341> didn't notice
[13:21] <brainwash> Unit193 wrote a patch for the background issue, but I cannot find it
[13:23] <brainwash> ali12341: some ubiquity windows still have a maximize button despite the xfwm4 fix
[13:24] <brainwash> I think it's only the case when you run it inside ubiquity-dm
[13:27] <brainwash> I would like to understand why it's added to the window decoration. however, last time I tried to debug this, I was not able to launch ubiquity-dm on my installed system -> python errors
[13:43] <ali12341> ochosi: okay i've got 15.04 installed, i can't see any problems with orion except that the indicators have a button type outline
[13:44] <ali12341> oh wait gtk3
[13:45] <ali12341> yeah that's messed up, wtf have they done??
[13:46] <ochosi> the same as with (almost) every release ;)
[13:46] <ochosi> seriously, just trust me and follow the greybird git log
[13:46] <ochosi> that (and more) is needed
[13:47] <ali12341> this install of vivid i just did... the firefox homepage is in arabic
[13:53] <ali12341> bug 1409015
[14:42] <ali12341> ochosi: why does shimmer-themes orion work correctly with headerbar, but the one from git doesn't?
[14:43] <ali12341> oh wait, never mind
[14:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: works nicely now! (xfpm+ll)
[14:53] <ochosi> bluesabre: good work
[14:55] <ali12341> i see a bug
[15:00] <ali12341> http://i.imgur.com/fqpq4n6.png the "left" button has missing left border
[15:00] <ali12341> that's greybird git
[15:34] <elfy> ochosi: seems that sound indicator is segfaulting
[15:37] <elfy> perhaps an issue with the card - the older one was ok
[15:58] <ali12341> ochosi: so everywhere there is ".button:active" rule there should also be a ".button:checked" rule?
[19:55] <Unit193> bluesabre: Moved to https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+junk/xfpm-pkging
[20:56] <ochosi> ali12341: yeah, as ridiculous as it sounds, where there was active, there also has to be checked
[20:57] <ochosi> and the other one with the left border, if you see it for real in an app, i'll investigate
[20:57] <ochosi> the spinner currently also seems to be broken
[20:57] <ochosi> elfy: it's a known issue and not sound-card related afaik
[20:59] <elfy> ok - good - coincidence is good :)


[21:45] <wxl> hey folks running thunderbird-trunk in trusty off of the ff/tb daily ppa and i seem to be stuck on 38.0, even though the ppa says 40.0 is published. any clues?
[21:46] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages likely last successful trusty build.
[21:47] <wxl> oh i was looking too quickly
[21:47] <wxl> amd64 succeeded but i386 failed https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+builds?build_text=thunderbird-trunk&build_state=built
[21:52] <wxl> darn, and just missed the change i want :( https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/7eeb90bee7f4


[01:47] <trollixx> Is it possible to publish a desktop app in Ubuntu Software Center? http://developer.ubuntu.com/ talks only about mobile apps.
[08:54] <davidcalle> stephwil_, patricia_, hi, how are you ? We are landing our scopes templates changes in doc and code today, so don't feel blocked by it
[08:55] <patricia_> davidcalle: thanks for letting us know!
[09:54] <stephwil_> Thanks David!
[09:54] <mcphail> popey: http://themcphails.uk/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template.sturmflut_0.4_armhf.click !!!!
[09:55] <popey> mcphail: !
[09:56] <mcphail> We're in business :)
[09:58]  * mcphail needs to go to attend to real life for a while, but Baldur's Gate is a-comin'
[09:58] <popey> mcphail: Dots! Thousands of them!
[09:58] <mcphail> popey: _SDL_ dots !!!
[09:58] <popey> heh
[09:58] <popey> is what was done documented somewhere?
[09:58] <popey> this is awesome
[09:58] <mcphail> popey: I'll write it up later
[09:58] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-05-22-105842.png
[09:58] <popey> thanks mcphail
[09:59] <mcphail> popey: you can use the sdl libs from that click for now. Haven't compiled in any audio drivers or anything - kept it as basic as possible for testing
[09:59] <popey> nice!
[10:00] <mcphail> gtg. send me a link to scummvm when you get it working this afternoon :)
[10:00] <popey> hahah
[10:57] <kalikiana> t1mp: can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/textDocument/+merge/252798 please?
[11:05] <t1mp> kalikiana: I top-approved it yesterday, but jenkins kicked it back
[11:05] <t1mp> kalikiana: ah, that's the one where I asked you to update components.api
[11:06] <kalikiana> t1mp: hrm hold on, somehow the diff doesn't look like the latest update
[11:19] <kalikiana> t1mp: my bad, I had managed to put the components.api update in another branch entirely... now it's actually in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/textDocument/+merge/252798
[11:23] <t1mp> kalikiana: happroved
[11:25] <kalikiana> t1mp: thanks!
[11:29] <t1mp> kalikiana: and I have one for you :) https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/90-IconButton/+merge/259906
[11:30] <kalikiana> t1mp: I should've known there's always a price to pay :-D
[11:31] <kalikiana> lemme grab something to quaff and I'll have a look
[11:41] <t1mp> kalikiana: owww :( these failures again https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/2505/#showFailuresLink
[11:41] <t1mp> kalikiana: we need to fix those before we can land anything
[11:41] <t1mp> kalikiana: were you looking at those yesterday?
[11:44] <kalikiana> t1mp: I was looking a bit and then waiting to hear back about how to get the missing video files - which apparently have been disabled at one point - I didn't try the instructions yet http://ubuntu-test-cases-touch.readthedocs.org/en/latest/#provisioning-and-executing-autopilot-tests-for-an-mp
[11:45] <kalikiana> t1mp: atm I'm looking at the tst_listitem issues which crash on CI on a 50% or so chance now...
[12:02] <mcphail> popey: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mcphail/ubuntu-touch-sdl-template/master/lib/src/how_to_build_sdl_for_ubuntu_phone.txt
[12:02]  * popey hugs mcphail
[12:03] <popey> mcphail: I tried bundling love2d in for fun, it launches (which is better than it ever did before) :)
[12:04] <mcphail> Great! definite progress
[12:05] <mcphail> I will probably not get a chance to try anything exciting until next week, but I'm a happy chappy today
[12:05] <popey> yeah, good work!
[12:43] <NingerJohn> guys, I am using ubuntu sdk on ubuntu 14.04. however I was not able to create a devices. When I clicked the Devices tab, there's no reaction
[12:43] <NingerJohn> Anyone know the possible reason about this issue?
[12:52] <davidcalle> bzoltan, zbenjamin ^ any idea?
[12:52] <davidcalle> Oh wait, he left
[13:41] <bzoltan> davidcalle:  did he push the + button?
[13:41] <davidcalle> bzoltan, heh, no idea
[13:43] <bzoltan> davidcalle:  let's ask when we see his nick
[15:29] <balloons> so popey are you happy if jenkins is? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-calendar-app/add-waits-for-selects/+merge/259932
[15:30] <popey> balloons: jenkins is happy, thus I am happy
[15:30]  * popey happroves
[15:30]  * popey waits for jenkins
[15:30] <popey> Time passes...
[15:30] <popey> You have been eaten by a grue!


[01:29] <bobweavertv> any one here good with utouch ?
[01:42] <bobweavertv> What in the world is NUX_IMPLENMENT_ITEM  ?
[01:43] <bobweavertv> in how it is calling the LensView c++ page IDGI
[01:44] <bobweavertv> in LensView.cpp in the dash ?
[01:44] <bobweavertv> I want to make a SimpleDash cpp and header file
[01:44] <bobweavertv> Just like in unity 2d
[01:45] <bobweavertv> well not just like but ..
[01:45] <bobweavertv> or maybe StandaloneLensView.cpp
[01:45] <bobweavertv> and headers
[01:48] <bobweavertv> I guess that is how NUX talks so to say but I also guess other things RE is not a good thibg all the time
[02:00] <bobweavertv> KATN  the Ice WM  http://imagebin.org/225779
[04:07] <bobweavertv> waiting and calc...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpe6p9sIgbk
[04:18] <David> hI
[04:19] <David> I was thinking of Unity, maby developers could put an extra row to it?
[13:33] <MCR1> Hello. Q: Do I have to disable the 13 not yet ported to GLES Compiz plug-ins to prevent Compiz/Unity from segfaulting ?
[13:37] <MCR1> I hate regressions !
[15:45] <bobweavertv> Anyone know where I can get flowchart's for Unity 6.2 ?
[15:46] <popey> what kind of flowchart?
[15:46] <bobweavertv> or so sorta charts that explain what the end goal is
[15:46] <bobweavertv> like should I make casestatments for like for-factor tv
[15:46] <popey> eh, again in english?
[15:47] <bobweavertv> or should I just make new .cpp filess and .h
[15:47] <bobweavertv> ok
[15:47] <bobweavertv> so I want to make Unity 6.2 standalone look and act like unty 2d shell/TV
[15:48] <bobweavertv> but I do not want to code in a bunch of case statements if that is not th goal
[15:48] <bobweavertv> like if I should make like StandaloneSimpleLauncher.{cpp,h}
[15:48] <bobweavertv> or if I should make case statements or if statments right in Launcher.{cpp,h}
[15:49] <popey> what do you understand the end goal to be?
[15:49] <bobweavertv> a working tv that is under a different form factor
[15:49] <bobweavertv> also netbook ect anything that can run open gles
[15:49] <bobweavertv> opengl es
[15:49] <popey> ok, so desktop, TV, tablet, phone, toaster, whatever..
[15:50] <bobweavertv> correct
[15:50] <popey> same framework on all those devices
[15:50] <popey> unity, nux.. plus qt/qml for apps
[15:50] <bobweavertv> unified vision correct
[15:50] <popey> ok, good
[15:50] <popey> where are the gaps?
[15:51] <bobweavertv> in the main code its self
[15:51] <bobweavertv> like what others are doing
[15:51] <bobweavertv> I do not want to step on toes
[15:51] <bobweavertv> I do not want to code outside what is the norm
[15:51] <popey> sure, and for TV the best people to speak to are will and jim
[15:51] <bobweavertv> thanks popey
[15:52] <bobweavertv> you know that it is hard to get ahold of will but jim on the other hand is easy but he never tells me what I am looking for just to sit back and wait
[15:52] <bobweavertv> I am not about waiting
[15:53] <bobweavertv> I will talk to him on the tv channel
[16:04]  * popey is bothered by bug 1041583
[17:19] <bobweavertv> Anyone know if there is anything in nux compairable to Qml's XmlListModel Element  ? thanks
[17:27] <bobweavertv> if you do not know what the element does here is a man page http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-xmllistmodel.html
[19:05] <gotwig> hey there
[19:12] <bobweavertv> hi gotwig
[19:12] <gotwig> bobweavertv: new ;P?
[19:14] <bobweavertv> yes
[19:16] <bobweavertv> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXfEDkoy0Y4    j/k


[02:20] <dashua> _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot-1.1235355588.png
[02:20]  * _MMA_ clicks
[02:20] <dashua> Better or worse? IYO
[02:21] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm diggin' that man.
[02:21] <dashua> Dark panel, lighter menus
[02:21] <dashua> Sweet
[02:22] <_MMA_> I like the color variance between things. Light menu. Grey window and dark panel. Nice.
[02:22] <_MMA_> Really, I think I'd like to use this with my alternative-desktop project once I get a little more of that worked out.
[02:23] <dashua> I have a mod with dark menus sort of like Dust, but Oo menubar us giving me issues
[02:23] <dashua> Awesome :)
[02:24] <dashua> Should I throw this one the wiki as an alternate version or make this the main and the lighter panel darker menus the mod?
[02:24] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm using this with Dust atm. I'm emailing the artist for a hires one. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stitch/3079514354/sizes/o/
[02:25] <dashua> Ah that's nice.
[02:25] <_MMA_> dashua: I would make this the main one. I think it is an improvement. But that's just me. :P
[02:25] <dashua> Yeah, same here.
[02:26] <dashua> Just wanted some other opinions.  Thx.
[02:26] <_MMA_> np
[02:27] <dashua> That start here icon Sebastien just posted is hot.
[02:27] <_MMA_> Reminds me of the one used in KDE4 but that's fine. We'll see where he goes with it.
[02:28] <dashua> i like the black Ubuntu logo.
[02:28] <dashua> I always liked that on other icon themes.
[02:29] <dashua> Breathe is really picking up a buzz, that's great.
[02:35] <_MMA_> You seen it mentioned anywhere else?
[02:37] <_MMA_> dashua: ^^^ (forgot to use your name to highlight you) :P
[02:38] <dashua> Yeah, all over the art pages (GNOME, Ubuntu, etc.)
[02:39] <dashua> People are really digging it asking where to get it.
[02:39] <dashua> Now with the PPA it'll be easier to direct them.
[02:40] <_MMA_> dashua: Yeah. I still gotta solidify my workflow. Making updates to trunk, then go to the packaging branch that end up in the PPA. I might have to script something.
[02:41] <dashua> Yeah, most build average users don't know how to build things, so this it'll be good. (packages)
[03:04] <Cimi_> which features I will implement in murrine tomorrow? any ideas?
[03:12] <_MMA_> Cimi_: Have Murrine was my car and find me a job.
[03:13] <_MMA_> s/was/wash
[03:17] <Cimi_> ok no features for you :)
[03:19] <_MMA_> hehe
[03:24] <_MMA_> dashua: Try this one as a background. http://www.flickr.com/photos/georgesgewels/2445842640
[03:27] <dashua> Cimi_: How about shadows/gradients beneath progressbars and radio/checkbuttons like in MODERN Nodoka, that possible?
[03:27] <dashua> _MMA_: That's nice.
[03:29] <_MMA_> dashua: When can I test what you're currently working on?
[03:30] <dashua> I'm working on it now.  I lost my glazestyle on the selected items on the lighter menu.  Trying to see what I messed up here.
[03:32] <_MMA_> np. I'm just getting a little inspired for alt-desktop here. If you're ok with it, I'd like to use your new work.
[03:34] <dashua> Yeah, np.  I'd be delighted.  Just trying to work a few tweaks. :)
[03:44] <Cimi_> dashua, murrine already has shadows and gradients on those widgets
[03:45] <dashua> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Jaunty/Nodoka%20Dust?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Widget_02012009.png
[03:46] <dashua> Like that?  I may need to mess with some settings.
[03:46] <Cimi_> in murrine they are much more subtle
[03:47] <dashua> If you zoom in on it,  looks like it's tilted or something.
[03:47] <dashua> Like a 3d effect.
[03:47] <dashua> Ah alright.
[06:18] <rsc___> :D
[13:49] <_MMA_> throwil: Where did you get the ratio numbers you posted? Because, 2560x1600 and 1920x1200 are 16:10. (a small detail as long as people just use the X&Y sizes to create)
[13:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: quoting myself:"8:5 is often given as 16:10 ..."
[13:57] <_MMA_> Weird. It's obviously half but here (states) I've never seen it posted that way.
[13:58] <_MMA_> I guess people are so used to 16:9, 16:10 gives a more obvious mental picture. 16:9, but a little bigger.
[13:59] <thorwil> yep
[13:59] <thorwil> but i dislike inconsistencies :)
[14:35] <_MMA_> dashua: Around?
[19:01] <thorwil> discussing mailing list options, great
[19:02] <_MMA_> I know. I know.
[19:02]  * _MMA_ shakes head.
[19:02] <thorwil> nice lack of quotation markup in dilomo's mail
[19:08] <thorwil> _MMA_: i can't imagine that it was directed to Sebastian. but it's a trainwreck of a message. he should leave that to our fail guys
[19:10] <_MMA_> hahaha
[19:11] <_MMA_> That's why I mentioned "I hope you just quoted something out of order."
[19:57]  * thorwil sends mail to Anton, regarding quotations
[19:58] <_MMA_> He's a gmail user and he's the only one I seen that happen to. I don't know what he's doin' different.
[20:01]  * _MMA_ thinks he's gonna take a year or so away from Ubuntu and learn Blender.
[20:01] <thorwil> 1 year for Blender? mwuhahahaha
[20:02] <thorwil> plan for the "or so"
[20:02] <_MMA_> I didn't say I'd be a guru or anything. :) Just as things are, I can't even get started.
[20:03] <_MMA_> Hell, I'd go to school for it if there were local clasess.
[20:04] <thorwil> _MMA_: i learned mayn apps by simply fooling around with them. the notable excpetions are solidworks and blender
[20:04] <thorwil> for solidworks, i needed a little push to understand the basics
[20:05] <thorwil> and for blender i had to go through an introductionary tutorial
[20:05] <thorwil> and would need to read docs/tuts for anything new i havn't done before ...
[20:05] <_MMA_> I'm also looking into Blender for video editing. I think it's actually the best thing we got atm. I made a .deb that launches Blender with a custom layout and menu entry.
[20:06] <thorwil> well, you read troy's blog, right?
[20:06] <_MMA_> (.deb that installs a setup that is)
[20:07] <_MMA_> Not lately. I got the .blend file from him for the UI.
[20:11] <thorwil> _MMA_: prepare ... take a deep breath ...
[20:12] <_MMA_> ...
[20:12] <thorwil> _MMA_: the reason for Anton's lack of > is ... Outlook
[20:12] <_MMA_> Nooo.......
[20:12] <_MMA_> hehe :)
[20:13] <thorwil> windows because of autocad
[20:13] <_MMA_> At *least* use Tbird. :P
[20:13] <_MMA_> thorwil: Sure. Even I got XP around for a couple of apps. But unless Im usin' them Im in nix.
[20:15] <_MMA_> Man. I can't think of 1 person I know that uses Outlook outside or the office. :)
[20:15] <_MMA_> s/or/of
[20:16]  * thorwil passes on the thunderbird suggestion
[20:21] <_MMA_> thorwil: Thunderbird imports Outlook accounts won't it?
[20:22] <thorwil> could be
[21:08] <dashua> _MMA_: Sup mate?
[21:09] <dashua> Just got home, finishing some final touches on Miu and I'm going to upload it.
[21:12] <SiDi> hey dashua, you're the one working on Miu ? :)
[21:13] <dashua> SiDi: Yes, I'm changing to a dark panel and some other tweaks.
[21:13] <SiDi> Well, i'd like to know then
[21:13] <SiDi> Could you look into an issue i'm having with Miu ? it really renders badly with Thunar
[21:13] <dashua> Screenshot?
[21:14] <SiDi> sec
[21:14] <SiDi> Also, i made an xfwm for it
[21:14] <SiDi> i posted the link on the mailing list and in gnome-look.org
[21:15] <_MMA_> dashua: Yo. When you get a min, I'd like to tinker with what you're working on. (just test here to get an idea of some things)
[21:15] <SiDi> Damn i don't have Miu's gtk in my Intrepid distro
[21:15] <dashua> _MMA_: Sure.  Want me to send you what I have?
[21:16] <dashua> It's pretty much complete I'm just playing with BG[SELECTED] on the dark panel
[21:16] <dashua> Looks pretty good so far.
[21:17] <dashua> For the menubar.
[21:17] <_MMA_> dashua<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:17] <dashua> _MMA_: One sec :)
[21:17] <_MMA_> Take your time.
[21:18] <_MMA_> dashua: I'm gonna rename it locally so I can install it in parallel.
[21:18] <dashua> Sure
[21:18] <dashua> Np
[21:19] <SiDi> Uploadin
[21:20] <SiDi> When i was in jaunty it was even more blatent, but still : http://img10.imageshack.us/my.php?image=miuthunar.png i'm using murrine SVN
[21:20] <SiDi> i might make a screen of nautilus/thunar next to each other next time i'll boot on jaunty so that you can see
[21:21] <SiDi> the icons in thunar are just almost twice as big as in nautilus
[21:21] <dashua> SiDi: That is fixed in the update.
[21:22] <dashua> Icon sizes.
[21:22] <SiDi> ah great then :)
[21:22] <dashua> _MMA_: Sent.
[21:22] <SiDi> also, would you mind including the xfwm ? that'd be cool for xfce users
[21:22] <dashua> SiDi: Sure, I'm not an XFCE user but I should be able to figure it out. :)
[21:23] <SiDi> thanks ;)
[21:23] <SiDi> http://www.xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=99823 i packaged it here
[21:23] <dashua> Ok, will look into tonight.
[21:24] <SiDi> if there are any changes in the metacity i'll just change the xfwm too.  What engine does this use?
[21:26] <dashua> Murrine
[21:26] <_MMA_> Hmm...
[21:26] <dashua> Anything over 130 something should work.
[21:26]  * SiDi wants an @ubuntu.com address too .. :)
[21:27] <_MMA_> dashua: Says it wants a theme called "CLASSIC".
[21:27] <dashua> Hrm, that's a mod of the metacity
[21:27] <dashua> Maybe the index is borked.
[21:28] <_MMA_> I'm running studio so it's a little more bare-bones than Ubuntu. I thought I might be missing a depend.
[21:29] <dashua> What murrine version?
[21:29] <dashua> You definitely need a newer murrine package.
[21:29] <SiDi> If i remember well, on jaunty, with the murrine svn PPA enabled, i was having trouble with it too
[21:29] <SiDi> i just removed the index.theme and then it worked
[21:29] <_MMA_> dashua: That's it. I'm running the repo version of Murrine. Got a link to a new .deb?
[21:30] <dashua> I'll have to make a new index then
[21:30] <dashua> Sure
[21:30] <SiDi> is the repo one actually the 139 ?
[21:30] <_MMA_> It's murrine .60 here.
[21:30] <dashua> https://launchpad.net/~suraia/+archive
[21:30] <dashua> I'm on revision 143
[21:30] <dashua> Dotted focus is gone :)
[21:31] <dashua> But the gtkrc should still work with that PPA
[21:32]  * _MMA_ sits back and watches him screw the Studio theme up.
[21:33] <dashua> SiDi: Ha, yeah it will bork it, maybe.
[21:33] <dashua> Or you'll get a deprecation warning
[21:33] <SiDi> Well i was having a weird message with the index.theme, involving this line
[21:33] <SiDi> and when i removed it, the theme was available in the "customise" theme menu, but not in the appearence window
[21:34] <SiDi> though it was working
[21:34] <dashua> I guess I should those XFCE panel tweaks as well for the dark panel.
[21:34] <dashua> add*
[21:35] <_MMA_> dashua: What is the classic theme? Part of GNOME themes or is this your index.theme issue?
[21:35] <dashua> It's the metacity theme name.  I need to rename it.
[21:36] <SiDi> you can inherit metacity themes ? Oo
[21:43] <_MMA_> dashua: I think it needs a bit to tie in the brown. I'd play with making the menu highlights brown as well as the space between the buttons and the far left on the metacity.
[21:43]  * _MMA_ also doesn't know about the orange text on tabs.
[21:44] <dashua> Yeah.
[21:44] <dashua> I'm torn with the orange.  I like it sometimes and other times I play with black.
[21:44] <SiDi> Ah, the orange text on tabs isnt normal ?
[21:45] <dashua> Normal for now until we modify it.
[21:45] <SiDi> Okey
[21:45] <_MMA_> Now the orange on the menu I don't feel real strong about it's just a idea but I think if you could make just that little space in the metacity match the panel that might be cool.
[21:46] <_MMA_> dashua: I like how the area with the buttons is squared off or looks to lean out from the titlebar.
[21:46] <dashua> Okay.
[21:47] <dashua> Thx.
[21:47] <dashua> The theme is pretty much complete absent the color scheme tweaks and text.
[21:47] <dashua> It's pretty responsive too, not that matter too much.
[21:48] <_MMA_> dashua: There's also an issue on roll up. There's a 2px or so line at the bottom that doesnt go to the very ends.
[21:49] <dashua> Ah alright.
[21:50] <_MMA_> dashua: Your bottom corners, the round parts, also need to have the same grey line go from the side to the bottom. Right now, the frame looks broken.
[21:50] <dashua> I'm actually using Impression's metacity now.  I think that has some potential if the button issues are worked out.
[21:50] <dashua> The bottom right and left corners seemed a bit off to me.
[21:51] <_MMA_> Yeah. Looks like the corners are nipped off.
[21:52] <_MMA_> dashua: And don't get me wrong. I think this has alot of potential. God. If people only knew how much tinkering went into the Studio theme. Back and forth. Back and forth.
[21:53] <dashua> Yeah. I know.  People will never understand.
[21:53] <dashua> It's is a lot work.  You change one thing, it messes up something else.
[21:53] <_MMA_> Yes sir.
[21:53] <dashua> Just let me know, and I'll tweak it up.
[21:54] <dashua> It seems like people may actually like and use this theme if I get it right.
[21:54] <_MMA_> Well the note above are all Ill do for now. :) Don't wanna overwhelm ya. :)
[21:54] <dashua> Alright
[21:55] <SiDi> _MMA_: do you actually work at Ubuntu ? Just curious
[21:55] <dashua> I just want to make sure I keep it warm and it says "Ubuntu" to some extent.
[21:58] <SiDi> gd night
[21:58] <_MMA_> SiDi: I started Ubuntu studio and am currently it's lead artist. I handed over the main reigns at the start of Jaunty. I know Ken pretty well.  But to answer directly, I have only contributed little pieces to Ubuntu proper.
[21:58] <_MMA_> Oh well.
[21:59]  * dashua heard you :)
[22:00] <_MMA_> :P
[22:00] <_MMA_> dashua: You know how you hit a menu option and it turns Orange with the menu below?
[22:01] <dashua> On the Menu Bar (Upper left)
[22:01] <dashua> ?
[22:01] <_MMA_> The menu.
[22:01] <dashua> That is what I'm toying with.
[22:01] <_MMA_> File Edit Blah blah blah
[22:02] <dashua> I tried black, but this gives now action
[22:02] <dashua> Ah
[22:02] <dashua> Yeah
[22:02] <_MMA_> I think the bottom of the orange button things looks odd with rounded bottom corners. It's like a button on top of a menu. Doesnt flow well.
[22:02] <dashua> Ok
[22:02]  * _MMA_ fires up gedit.
[22:02] <dashua> Let me mess with that and the color.
[22:03] <dashua> The button should be an easy fix with roundness
[22:05] <dashua> menu_item fixes the roundness issue
[22:05] <dashua> Maybe 1 or 2?
[22:05] <dashua> was 3
[22:06] <_MMA_> Maybe: menubaritemstyle    = 1
[22:07] <dashua> style "menu_item" {
[22:08] <dashua> Yeah, that does it.
[22:08] <dashua> 1 and 2 look decent.
[22:08] <_MMA_> dashua: No. That should effect the hightlight over a menu option.
[22:08] <dashua> 3 was too round.
[22:08] <_MMA_> We're talking about 2 different things.
[22:08] <dashua> Ah
[22:09] <_MMA_> Change line 96, then click on the menu in a app.
[22:09] <dashua> I thought you were talking about the orange highlight on the menubar.
[22:11] <_MMA_> dashua: But I think changing those 2 settings actually look better.
[22:11] <dashua> Yeah, it does
[22:13] <dashua> "menu_item" roundness = 1 looks good with menubaritemstyle = 1
[22:21] <dashua> _MMA_: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-2.png
[22:24]  * _MMA_ clicks
[22:25] <_MMA_> dashua: Yeah. Thats what I got here. I edited the file.
[22:25] <dashua> Kk
[22:26] <_MMA_> dashua: Hmm... I dont have the same amount of padding as you in the metacity. Much thinner. I think it's because of some Studio settings.
[22:28] <dashua> I will work on the metacity a bit more.  That was something new for me.
[22:28] <_MMA_> np.
[22:28]  * _MMA_ takes a break for a bit. (I got a headache)
[22:29] <dashua> Yeah, np
[23:01] <mib_5ueehj> hi, is there a list of current proposals, and maybe votes for current proposals of jaunty artwork?
[23:01] <mib_5ueehj> how is it decided what the art will be?


[00:36] <shaunm> godbyk: hmm, that's true. I could see it being useful to be able to record what version of ubuntu a page was last checked for, as well as the last time it was checked against the corresponding gnome package
[00:38] <shaunm> that's tricky
[00:38] <godbyk> shaunm: yeah
[00:39] <godbyk> shaunm: Are there any constraints on the pkgversion attribute?  Can I use it to store a string like mypackage-1.2.3?
[00:41] <shaunm> no constraints
[00:43] <shaunm> it's possible some tool somewhere might try to (for example) sort with the assumption of dotted tuples
[00:47] <shaunm> that does give me an idea though


[00:15] <pycurious> Canonical has a k8s implementation - how does one scale those pods on different cloud providers? Does anyone here use that product?
[01:21] <bewees> Can I run a kernel >=5.13 in 21.04 relatively stable? I think beta for 21.10 is not out yet
[01:22] <bewees> Ah found daily builds for 21.10: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[01:22] <tomreyn> !mainline | bewees
[01:22] <bewees> Thanks I try that tomreyn
[01:23] <tomreyn> but note this is only meant for testing. why do you need th enewer kernel?
[01:23] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | bewees
[01:24] <bewees> tomreyn: My Laptop uses Intel 11th generation with Iris igpu and in 5.10 adjusting the backlight is working only for newer kernel versions
[01:25] <bewees> tomreyn: So you would recommend to better use 21.04 with the mainline kernel rather than 21.10 testing images?
[01:27] <tomreyn> bewees: "in 5.10 [a kernel version] adjusting the backlight is working only for newer kernel versions"? i'm not sure i understand
[01:28] <tomreyn> hirsute (Ubuntu 21.04) comes with kernel version 5.11
[01:30] <tomreyn> generally speaking, if you have hardware functionality you strictly depend on, and which is too new to be supported on any ubuntu release but supported by newer kernel versions, then you could use a script to keep running the latest mainline kernels until there is support for it in ubuntu.
[01:31] <tomreyn> this isn't supported, but probably the best approach in this (rather rare) situation.
[01:32] <bewees> tomreyn: I see, I will try that. I tried 21.04 already, thus 5.11 seems to not have my required drivers either
[01:32] <bewees> Until October this should be doable, then I can upgrade to 21.10
[01:34] <pycurious> is anyone using k8s from canonical in production here?
[01:34] <leftyfb> pycurious: try #ubuntu-server or contact Canonical for any of their commercial products
[01:37] <tomreyn> bewees: there is https://github.com/pimlie/ubuntu-mainline-kernel.sh (but i think this one does not verify gpg signatures) and https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#wget_kernel_mainlinesh (which was really written by TJ, and can verify gpg signatures)
[01:41] <bewees> Thankd tomreyn I will try this tomorrow, very late here already 😊
[01:46] <tomreyn> i assume those will still be there tomorrow, this should be fine. ;-)
[02:27] <user1> hi
[03:24] <pycurious> is there a command line way to start and stop recording the screen in ubuntu? Then write a mp4 or mov file as output?
[03:25] <matsaman> pycurious: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Desktop
[03:27] <pycurious> matsaman: Thanks - that is what i was looking for
[03:35]  * SnoopJ likes SimpleScreenRecorder, too
[04:32] <blahboybaz> Can not remove a printer in 20.04. It keeps automatically adding back as soon as I remove it. I've tried looking for information online but what I'm finding looks like a bunch of long-winded jibberish! Is there a simple solution that allows me to get rid of this offending printer that I don't even own?
[04:32] <blahboybaz> I don't even know who's printer it is - I just want it gone
[04:34] <noarb> some printers announce themselves on the network and can be auto-discovered (via avahi/bonjour)
[04:45] <blahboybaz> noarb: I thought I had it with an edit to some line in some cups config file (something I found in a forum post). The only thing that changed is I don't get a pop up revealing that it was added back (but it is still actually being added back)
[04:45] <blahboybaz> I really don't want some strangers printer on my laptop
[04:50] <blahboybaz> So am I forced to have some printer on my machine? What happens if I uninstall cups?  Or if I get a printer later that I want to use I can't because I don't have cups on my machine? If I reinstall it to use my own printer later then it just installs that strangers printer again like - ha ha! gotcha again! right?
[05:33] <noarb> blahboybaz: https://askubuntu.com/a/463392 did you edit your configuration when the service was not running?
[05:57] <alkisg> blahboybaz: start printing this line on this printer, until it goes away: "PLEASE DISABLE YOUR PRINTER SHARING" :P :D
[05:58] <alkisg> (and yeah I agree with you that it should be possible to blacklist some network printers)
[06:02] <alkisg> blahboybaz: for workarounds, see: https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting#CUPS_2.2.4_and_the_GTK_Print_Dialog
[06:03] <TJ-> blahboybaz: if your system is discovering the remote printer its on your network(s). Find out its IP addresses and then figure out how it is reachable. "avahi-browse -art" and look for the 'host' entry for the print
[06:46] <dob1> if I am not using gnome I am not able to run the software update gui, it doesn't ask for my password. What I have to install? I just installed policykit-1-gnome
[06:54] <audiobirb> I'm trying to use a self-signed cert to add ssl to a website hosted with nginx. but i'm getting a permissions error. i created the ssl certificate with openssl and it put it in a folder i cant even access with sudo for security purposes. but the nginx configuration file cant even access it either. i've no clue what to do. here is the permissions error: https://pastebin.com/YM6fdMvY
[06:56] <alkisg> dob1: which desktop environment are you using? Each one has its own software update gui
[07:20] <dob1> alkisg, i3
[07:21] <alkisg> Ah, you mean no desktop environment at all, just a window manager?
[07:22] <dob1> alkisg, yes
[07:22] <alkisg> Eh, that will have missing bits indeed :)
[07:23] <dob1> it's not just software update, every software that asks for authorization doesn't work because I doesn't ask for my password to continue
[07:23] <dob1> *it doesn't
[07:24] <alkisg> So pkexec bash has the same issue?
[07:27] <dob1> alkisg, pkexec bash asks for my password but it fails too
[07:28] <dob1> Error executing command as another user: Not authorized
[07:28] <alkisg> dob1:  Well, these are my polkit/policykit related packages on Ubuntu MATE 20.04; see if some of them help: https://termbin.com/rpkw
[07:29] <alkisg> But in general, you might be better off installing a desktop environment, even lubuntu, to satisfy all the dependencies; then run your i3 instead
[07:30] <dob1> alkisg, I installed ubuntu so I have gnome, I could use gnome. After the installation I installed i3
[07:30] <alkisg> Hmm, but you're using a custom session, you didn't just change the window manager, right?
[07:31] <alkisg> Is dbus even running in your setup?
[07:31] <dob1> alkisg, I am using i3 alone, not ask wm for an existing de
[07:31] <dob1> it is
[07:31] <alkisg> How about this one? root         941  0.0  0.0<PHONE_NUMBER>2 ?        Ssl  08:06   0:01 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
[07:32] <alkisg> And, there should also be an authentication agent, although mine is from mate:
[07:32] <alkisg> alkisg      2545  0.0  0.2<PHONE_NUMBER>8 ?        Sl   08:07   0:00          _ /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/polkit-mate/polkit-mate-authentication-agent-1
[07:32] <dob1> it's running
[07:32] <dob1> alkisg, the second one it's not running
[07:33] <alkisg> What's the output of `grep -ri authent /etc/xdg/autostart` ?
[07:33] <alkisg> There should be a gnome polkit authentication agent  there
[07:34] <alkisg> It'll probably also have an only-run-in: gnome entry in the desktop file, and that would be why it won't launch in your custom session
[07:35] <dob1> alkisg, it's this https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0df7fe48/
[07:35] <alkisg> Try to run it manually: /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[07:35] <alkisg> Then try again: pkexec bash
[07:36] <ducasse> i don't those are started with i3 unless you use dex
[07:37] <dob1> alkisg, if I run the one you suggested and then pkexec bash will ask for a graphical password and it works
[07:37] <dob1> what is dex?
[07:37] <ducasse> it runs .desktop files, but can also handle autostart xdg items
[07:38] <alkisg> ducasse: I've no idea about i3, you think it doesn't run /etc/xdg/autostart at all? Because that one wouldn't run anyway, I bet it has a OnlyShowIn=GNOME or something in it...
[07:38] <alkisg> dob1: anyway, just put that command in your session script
[07:41] <dob1> alkisg, ok thanks. I will try!
[07:41] <alkisg> 👍
[07:43] <ducasse> dob1: you can also use lxpolkit if you don't want the gnome agent
[07:44] <dob1> ducasse, but it's for lxde
[07:45] <ducasse> doesn't matter, it's just a small polkit agent
[07:45] <dob1> ok I installed it
[07:46] <ducasse> i use it where i don't want gnome deps
[08:35] <ice9> apt autoremove doesn't remove old kernels, any idea?
[08:53] <alkisg> ice9: you can remove them manually. List them with e.g. `dpkg -l 'linux*' | grep -v ^un` and put the ones that you don't need in an `apt purge xxx` command
[09:10] <blomberg> hi
[09:11] <blomberg> when i run protonvpn app it says for current version of gtk3 it needs ubuntu 20.04 not 18.04 which i have?? so how can i get the latest version
[09:12] <Mekaneck> ice9 alkisg doesn't Ubuntu remove old kernels itself? At least i have been told that a while ago.
[09:12] <alkisg> Mekaneck: it does but only for a couple of the most recent kernels; if they're left over, it no longer tries to delete them
[09:13] <blomberg> gtk3.24 or higher
[09:13] <Mekaneck> alkisg: ah, ok. Thanks.
[09:13] <blomberg> what's cmd to check my gtk version
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: apt policy your-package-here
[09:33] <blomberg> apt policy gtk3-
[09:33] <blomberg> gtk3-engines-breeze  gtk3-engines-unico   gtk3-engines-xfce    gtk3-im-libthai      gtk3-nocsd
[09:33] <blomberg> lotuspsychje: can i get new version of gtk3.24 or higher on ubuntu 18.04
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: apt policy libgtk-3-0
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: its usualy not a good idea to mix packages across several ubuntu releases
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: best to stick on package versions meant specific for your ubuntu release
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: there are some workarounds on that with !pinning !backports !snaps and proposed
[09:39] <bewees> How secure Ubuntu save their infrastructure keys and is Ubuntu obligated to share them with governmental juridictions?
[09:40] <blomberg> ok then' i will update , but let's hope it doesn't break my install
[09:40] <blomberg> i feel there is risk
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: update what?
[09:41] <bewees> Safe*
[09:41] <blomberg> to 20.04 from 18.04
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> blomberg: make a good backup of your files, then upgrade safe
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | bewees try here
[09:44] <bewees> Thanks lotus
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[09:46] <xavier4> quit
[09:46] <xavier4> quit
[09:46] <xavier4> exit
[09:56] <blomberg> lotuspsychje: what's this "safe"
[10:00] <jelly> hi, I need to resurrect a 12.04.1 installation and possibly install additional packages to make it boot on different hw (with lvm); where do I find repos for precise, or better, the exact point release of precise, today?
[10:08] <oldgalileo> Howdy! Would it be possible to downgrade the systemd version alone on Ubuntu 18.04.5?
[10:23] <ledeni[m]> jelly -->http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/ & http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/
[11:24] <guiverc> jelly, Ubuntu 12.04 is EOL; and thus not supported here.  12.04 ESM was available, but I think even that has ended
[11:37] <Mekaneck> guiverc: yep, you're right. 14.04 and 16.04 are the ones with ESM now iirc.
[11:50] <Helmholtz> How difficult is it to maintain a PPA for a Go app?
[11:50] <Helmholtz> Is it like a GitHub Action? Can I ssh into a box and build the package?
[11:52] <r4> Hi
[12:01] <goddard> Helmholtz: why not just use flatpak or appimage?
[12:02] <goddard> 1 package for all linux users rather than just ubuntu
[12:02] <goddard> i like appimage personally, but people seem to like flatpak as well
[12:02] <Helmholtz> goddard, yeah I also use them but there is this PPA, I was wondering how hard is maintaining one
[12:04] <goddard> i haven't created a PPA so couldn't tell you, but I believe launchpad uses bzr.
[12:04] <Guest62> my laptop sound isn't as loud as it used to be on windows
[12:04] <Guest62> any idea how to fix it?
[12:05] <goddard> Guest62: allow the volumn have "over-amplification"
[12:06] <Guest62> goddard how can i do that
[12:06] <goddard> its in gnome settings under sound
[12:07] <Guest62> i'm using kubuntu
[12:07] <goddard> i dont remember for plasma
[12:07] <goddard> it has the same thing though i think
[12:08] <Guest62> i can't find it
[12:12] <Guest62> also my windows key won't open start menu anymore
[12:13] <Helmholtz> How to see how a PPA is built?
[12:13] <Helmholtz> .dsc ?
[12:13] <Mekaneck> Guest62: then re-asign the key to it
[12:13] <Guest62> Mekaneck with what command
[12:14] <Mekaneck> no command needed
[12:15] <Mekaneck> rightclick on the menu button and select Configure Application Launcher Guest62
[12:15] <Mekaneck> then go to Keyboard Shortcuts
[12:15] <Guest62> it's showing "none"
[12:15] <Guest62> but when i click on it
[12:15] <Guest62> and then click my windows key
[12:16] <Guest62> it shows meta
[12:16] <Guest62> and wants me to clickk another key
[12:16] <Mekaneck> try ALT + F1
[12:16] <Guest62> it seems like it own't allow only one key to open the start menu
[12:16] <Mekaneck> then the windows key should work again
[12:16] <Guest62> woked!
[12:17] <Guest62> thank you a lot <3
[12:17] <Mekaneck> you're welcome
[12:24] <hajonnes> Hi, I have a hard time finding things in the repository. e.g. I found only snap gimp, I used apt install gimp and it worked. Also I want to install intellij and synaptic does not show it when searching but Ubuntu Software finds it easy. what is wrong?
[12:28] <sharperguy> Hi. Is there a way I can use iptables or something else to create a simulated network delay, to a specific process only?
[12:32] <tarzeau_> hajonnes: synaptic was long replaced by something else, doesn't exist anymore
[12:32] <tarzeau_> hajonnes: intellij is not packaged, mabye as snap or flatpak, otherwise you have to take care of it yourself
[12:33] <hajonnes> tarzeau_what should I use instead of synaptic. I like to see packages and so on?
[12:34] <tarzeau_> packages.ubuntu.com in browser? or gnome-software or what it is called
[12:34]  * tarzeau_ prefers apt-cache search
[12:34] <hajonnes> tarzeau_, yes I saw that now. it is snap. need to find and install it the real way I think.
[12:40] <hajonnes> tarzeau_, Will try apt-cache search.
[12:52] <hajonnes> how can I find the icon file of a program? @ubuntu 20.04
[12:53] <tarzeau_> look for the desktop file, then inside that file Icon= then list the pkg for that name
[12:53] <tarzeau_> usually it's a .png
[12:56] <merpnderp> Anyone know of a good RDP client for windows?
[12:57] <tomreyn> merpnderp: try a windows channel such as #windows
[12:57] <merpnderp> tomreyn: I need a linux RDP client.
[12:58] <merpnderp> #windows wouldn't know about those.
[12:58] <pizzaburger> Hello all! Having troubles booting into Ubuntu 20.10. After I unclock the disk "keystore-rpool" I get this message: [1.779286] psmouse serio1: synaptics: Ubavle to query device: -5
[12:58] <pizzaburger> Unable*
[12:58] <leftyfb> merpnderp: remmina is an RDP client for linux
[12:58] <merpnderp> I need a linux RDP client so that I can RDP into a windows machine.
[12:58] <merpnderp> thanks leftyfb
[12:58] <tomreyn> merpnderp: okay, you asked for "a good RDP client for windows", that's why ;)
[12:59] <leftyfb> merpnderp: ubuntu has a software stop that you can search for applications. Just like on your phone.
[12:59] <merpnderp> tomreyn: yeah, I realized I was very unclear there :P
[12:59] <merpnderp> leftyfb: Yeah, I looked through it but couldn't really compare which ones were better.
[12:59] <merpnderp> Plus I haven't been in the linux world for 10 years, so its hard to know which packages have good reputations.
[13:00] <leftyfb> merpnderp: you install them and try them out. This isn't the place for software opinions. Try #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[13:00] <merpnderp> okay
[13:02] <tomreyn> tarzeau_ / hajonnes: looks like synaptic is still available (from universe) with growing version numbers until the latest stable release
[13:03] <tomreyn> personally, if i needed something graphical for package management (luckily i don't), i would still very much prefer it to "ubuntu-software", just because it lists all the packages, and i can tell what's provided by apt vs snap
[13:04] <tomreyn> (but i'd also recommend using "apt" in a terminal)
[13:07] <jelly> ledeni[m], thank you!
[13:07] <pizzaburger> The message also reads: You are in emergency mode. After logging in, type "journalctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot, "systemctl default" or "exit" to boot into default mode. Press enter for maintenance (or press Control-D to continue):"
[13:08] <pizzaburger> Yesterday I pressed ctrl+D on that message in it got to the login screen and all was fine. Today I can't even do that anymore. Does anyone know how to resolve this? Thanks!
[13:09] <hajonnes> tomreyn, Yes I agree. I do not like sofware center now prefers snap. I do not find any way to change it also. But it is strange that I do not find apt gimp in sofware center and I can install it using apt.
[13:11] <tomreyn> hajonnes: i have little experience with software center, so can't exactly comment as to why only the snap would show there. i know that at some point both snap and apt packages going by the same name would show there. maybe this has changed since.
[13:12] <tomreyn> !20.10 | pizzaburger
[13:14] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: this could be a physically broken disk. boot from an ubuntu installer/live system and run smartctl -x against the disk
[13:15] <tomreyn> is this a hdd or ssd?
[13:15] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: ssd
[13:16] <tomreyn> okay, then my theory is less likely to be correct. but try it nevertheless.
[13:17] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: ok, gimme a sec to make a bootable USB
[13:17] <pizzaburger> Your theory is scary
[13:17] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: shouldn't be, if you have backups?
[13:18] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: about that...
[13:18] <tomreyn> :-(
[13:19] <pizzaburger> I can't make a live USB from an already live USB, can I?
[13:19] <pizzaburger> I can, awesome!
[13:20] <tomreyn> so is this not actually an ssd but just a usb stick then, flash memory?
[13:21] <pizzaburger> No, it's SSD on my laptopt, I'm just trying to make a bootable USB for it to test that "smartctl -x" command from an already live Ubuntu from a different laptop.
[13:21] <tomreyn> ok
[13:29] <pizzaburger> Also, I wouldn't be able to unlock the drive if it was broken, correct?
[13:30] <pizzaburger> When I do ctrl+D on that message it gives me: "Failed to start default target: Transaction for graphical.target/start is destructive (emergency.target has 'start' job queued, but 'stop is included in transaction)."
[13:35] <tomreyn> i have not seen this message before
[13:36] <tomreyn> apparently this can be a result of file system inconsistencies (which can be the result of a decaying disk)
[13:37] <tomreyn> (or of using btrfs)
[13:40] <Guest46> tomreyn: is there any method of booting to my desktop and at least backing up my data? Decaying disk sounds interesting, the laptop is 3 years old.
[13:42] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: got that bootable USB. Should I still try to run that "smartctl -x" command?
[13:43] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: it is just one theory, there can be other reasons. you likely have a broken file system on / now. if the file system isn't that broken you could still have booted to recovery, but from what i understand that's no longer so. so you need to boot off a working live system and repair from there.
[13:44] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Thanks for the insight! Any pointers on where should I start with the repair?
[13:44] <tomreyn> yes, do the smartctl -x (or just -a) against the disk you normally boot off first. review it, or have it reviewed here (pastebin). then, if it looks ok, run fsck against then normal installations' root file system.
[13:47] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: note that you have two major problems here: no (complete, current, proven restorable) backups, EOL system (we would not normally support you here with this). make sure you fix both of those as soon as you can.
[13:47] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: roger that.
[13:48] <tomreyn> !smart | pizzaburger
[13:50] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CBczsSrVHt/a
[13:51] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: could you please review the output?
[13:52] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: " The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist. "
[13:52] <tomreyn> looks like you meant https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CBczsSrVHt/
[13:55] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i'm not really able to interpret this other than by "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED" - i've not worked much with nvme's, yet.
[13:55] <tomreyn> but based on that message, you can probably go ahead and (try to) repair the file system and backup your data
[13:56] <tomreyn> "Unsafe Shutdowns: 174" - that's plenty, try to prevent this in the future.
[13:57] <tomreyn> !sysrq
[14:01] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: awesome, thanks! Will keep the unsafe shutdown in mind, but those are all cases when I had this problem earlier. So I'm just running "fsck" in ubuntu@ubuntu dir, right? Or should I mount that /dev/nvme0n1p5 disk first?
[14:03] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: whenever you can, run fsck against file systems which are not mounted
[14:04] <tomreyn> i don't know which device you need to check
[14:04] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: so "fsck /dev/nvme0n1p5" - that's the Solaris Root partition
[14:05] <tomreyn> "Solaris Root partition"?
[14:05] <tomreyn> this channel is about ubuntu linux
[14:05] <pizzaburger> I'm viewing the disks in "Disks"
[14:06] <tomreyn> do you use zfs in addition to btrfs?
[14:06] <pizzaburger> Have 5 volumes: partition1 (BIOS Boot), Filesystem (EFI system), Partition 3 (linux swap), bpool (solaris boot), rpool (Solaris Root)
[14:08] <tomreyn> hmm i guess i lack experience with btrfs then. indeed, something on either bpool or rpool may be what you need to check.
[14:10] <tomreyn> https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Btrfsck
[14:11] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rPNSFts7Kh/
[14:11] <pizzaburger> I assume that's not what I'm looking for
[14:13] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: not according to the wiki page i posted above (which is from 2015)
[14:13] <tomreyn> i suggest to read up on it ot to wait for someone who is experienced with btrfs.
[14:15] <pizzaburger> Ok, so I'm doing "btrfs check --repair <device>" on the root volume, and not any other volume on my disk, correct? The root one being the biggest (507 GB out of 512 GB)
[14:16] <tomreyn> about "Will keep the unsafe shutdown in mind, but those are all cases when I had this problem earlier" - note that file system corruption doesn't neccessarily go away by itself. especially if it remains, you need to actively try to fix it and not just ignore the error.
[14:16] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Duly noted.
[14:17] <tomreyn> now is a good time (since the system is not live) to ensure that all file systems are in good shape.
[14:17] <tomreyn> how you'll do this for btrfs, i'm afraid i do not know.
[14:18] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ny29nPFvkd/
[14:19] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: see above
[14:20] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[14:21] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i think i brought up btrfs here, mixing this up with a chat i had in #ubuntu-server. what you have there is probably zfs, not btrfs
[14:21] <marcoagpinto> why has my VM installed hours ago crashed?
[14:21] <marcoagpinto> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pe66ihmm9kxwci9/ubuntu20_04_02_crash_20210818.png?dl=0
[14:21] <marcoagpinto> I deleted and reinstalled it because "videos" app was crashing all the time
[14:21] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i also can't help you fix zfs, though
[14:22] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: then it won't be possible to find out now.
[14:22] <marcoagpinto> but this screenshot is from the one I installed today
[14:22] <marcoagpinto> it crashed while I was browsing with Firefox
[14:23] <jelly> marcoagpinto, virtualbox can be unstable every now and then.  You could try hyper-v or esxi for the host
[14:23] <jelly> or kvm
[14:23] <marcoagpinto> I don't have Windows 10 Pro, so no hyper-v :(
[14:23] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: okay, so this error is about virtualbox guest additions.
[14:24] <jelly> marcoagpinto, in any case, you'll want to look at logs on the host side for reasons for crash
[14:24] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: is that good?
[14:24] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:24] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: it means the failing software is not part of ubuntu
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhhh
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> oki
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[14:25] <alkisg> It's saying that you didn't install gcc so it can't compile the additions
[14:25] <alkisg> You don't need to compile them, just install them from the ubuntu repositories
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> I didn't install gcc, only pearl
[14:25] <marcoagpinto> :(
[14:26] <nibjc> pearl best progrem
[14:26] <marcoagpinto> if I do: sudo apt-get install gcc
[14:26] <marcoagpinto> will the crash be gone for good?
[14:26] <moha> by "enable -now" we can enable a service  and start it: systemctl enable --now something.service
[14:26] <moha> is there any trick to restart and get the status of service one after the other in one systemctl command?
[14:28] <tomreyn> marcoagpinto: to provide the very file the error message discusses you'd need to install libgcc1 - but you may actually need mor ethan just that to make VirtualBox Guest Additions work. they do provide documentation. the easiest approach may be to sudo apt install build-essential
[14:29] <marcoagpinto> gcc is already the newest version (4:9.3.0-1ubuntu2).
[14:29] <marcoagpinto> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[14:29] <marcoagpinto>   chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra gstreamer1.0-vaapi
[14:29] <marcoagpinto>   libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libva-wayland2
[14:29] <alzgh> Hello, sorry if this question is out of scope or obvious. If I want to investigate/read the source of a GNU tool on Ubuntu, say `factor` from coreutils, where/how can I find the source on Ubuntu repos? Is it better to investigate it on Ubuntu repos or go to GNU upstream?
[14:29] <tomreyn> !paste | marcoagpinto
[14:29] <marcoagpinto> ahhh... sorry about the multiplelines
[14:30] <marcoagpinto> tomreyn: sudo apt install build-essential ? I am about to run it
[14:30] <tomreyn> moha: not that i know of, but this should be easy to script
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> done
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> :)
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> let me reboot the VM
[14:31] <hajonnes> I'm trying to build a .desktop file. when I execute it I get error but when I start the program directly without the .desktop file I get no error.
[14:33] <hajonnes> error log https://pastebin.com/65xvvuPS
[14:34] <hajonnes> .desktop file https://pastebin.com/R7u85wUQ
[14:36] <hajonnes> what could be the problem? I have a .ini file that I think is not engaging when using the .desktop file but I'm not sure.
[14:36] <tomreyn> hajonnes: you may want / need to specify Path=
[14:36] <varaindemian> how can I install python3 32-bit on ubuntu 18.04/20.04 64-bit?
[14:37] <hajonnes> tomreyn, ok the path to the directory where the execution should take place?
[14:38] <tomreyn> hajonnes: yes, that's what i mean. i hope PAth= is correct, i haven't verified this
[14:39] <hajonnes> tomreyn, I'll check it out. Thanks for your help! :)
[14:40] <tomreyn> hajonnes: it is correct according to https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html#recognized-keys
[14:41] <tomreyn> also note that package desktop-file-utils provides the command desktop-file-validate
[14:41] <hajonnes> tomreyn, thanks a lot. I did not find that. :)
[14:42] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[14:42] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: so i think what you need to do is to recover a zfs pool. you should be able to read up on how to do this online.
[14:43] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Yeah, I encrypted the drive with ZSF.
[14:43] <tomreyn> encryption, too?
[14:43] <SnoopJ> varaindemian, you can install the i386 architecture version of the package (i.e. `python3:i386`), or you could build your own (I like using pyenv for this)
[14:43] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Was a brand new way to encrypt when 20.10 launched.
[14:43] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: and certainly marked as "experimental"?
[14:44] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: can't recall, but would say no. Would they include experimental features as default options?
[14:45] <tomreyn> not as default, but as experimental features, yes
[14:47] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: ok, googling on how to recover a zfs pool. Thanks!
[14:49] <hajonnes> tomreyn, the desktop-file-validate say "Encoding=" is deprecated, could I just remove it then?
[14:49] <varaindemian> SnoopJ: installed it with sudo apt python3:i386 how can I see that this is what it uses?
[14:50] <hajonnes> tomreyn, I think it is ok.
[14:53] <tomreyn> hajonnes: yes
[14:58] <tomreyn> varaindemian: dpkg -L python3:i386 | grep -E '^(/usr)/s?bin/'   should list executables provided by the package you installed
[14:59] <hajonnes> how can I copy or write a path in to nautilus?
[14:59] <SnoopJ> varaindemian, I'm not sure, I've never done multi-arch, don't even know if you can have multiple arch versions of the same package installed simultaneously.
[15:00] <SnoopJ> I wouldn't recommend trying it even if it's possible, dist-packages is basically designed to explode
[15:00] <tomreyn> hajonnes: Ctrl-L
[15:00] <tomreyn> (lower case L)
[15:02] <tomreyn> hajonnes: btw. it's called GNOME Files now (in case you'll try to find documentation)
[15:02] <matsaman> which you won't be able to with a name like 'files' =)
[15:09] <hajonnes> tomreyn, ok thank you! :) Do you know how to get the icon for a program when I build the .desktop. When I start the program the icon gets engaged and shows (at least before I created the .desktop file) can I somhow see what the program is using. I have tried to search for -iname xmind.ico, png, jpg, swg. but no luck
[15:09] <hajonnes> xmind being the program name.
[15:14] <hajonnes> tomreyn, found some versions of icons. but still, is it possible to see what xmind is using?
[15:19] <wonko[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qxMzztVCNw/
[15:19] <wonko[m]> what is libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 and why is it being installed?
[15:19] <wonko[m]>  * what is `libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0` and why is it being installed?
[15:24] <SnoopJ> to the first question: 'GStreamer libraries from the "bad" set' https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 the base/good/bad/ugly division is from gstreamer itself apparently: https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/documentation/additional/splitup.html
[15:24] <SnoopJ> to the second: dunno, we can't see what command you issued
[15:25] <wonko[m]> apt update/apt upgrade
[15:25] <wonko[m]> removed that with dpkg, now it's happening somewhere else:
[15:25] <wonko[m]> ```
[15:25] <wonko[m]> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/avldrums.lv2-data_5%3a0.4.1_all.deb (--unpack):
[15:25] <wonko[m]>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/lv2/avldrums.lv2/Black_Pearl_4_LV2.sf2', which is also in package avldrums.lv2-soundfont 0.4.2~repack1-1```
[15:25]  * wonko[m] sighs
[15:30] <SnoopJ> wonko[m], can you paste the output of `apt show libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0` ?
[15:31] <wonko[m]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P5PGShfBny/
[15:31] <SnoopJ> the -dmo4 bit in the version of the installed package makes me wonder if you've gotten the installed version of that package from some other repository and Weird Stuff is afoot
[15:31] <SnoopJ> ah, and so it is
[15:31] <wonko[m]> what the hell is madlinux?
[15:32] <SnoopJ> wonko[m], so as to the "why," that's because apt sees the package in the Ubuntu repositories and wants to upgrade to it
[15:32] <wonko[m]> I remove the madlinux source
[15:32] <wonko[m]> things are much happier now
[15:33] <SnoopJ> 👍
[15:36] <wonko[m]> Ok, not better (but apt is happy)
[15:37] <wonko[m]> Autoremove just broke X
[15:37] <SnoopJ> oh boy
[15:38] <wonko[m]> Yeah, something important got removed and a bunch of very important dependencies went with it
[15:38] <wonko[m]> Ugh
[15:38] <wonko[m]> Is there a way to find out what packages should be installed by default?
[15:41] <ioria> wonko[m], you can check the manifest ( e.g. http://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ ) but usually some packages are removed after the install
[15:43] <Guest46> Hello, if anyone has any experience recovering ZFS pools I'd very much appreciate some pointers. Can't boot to Ubuntu 20.10 desktop after unlocking my drive. Thanks!
[15:43] <ioria> wonko[m], or you can try to reinstall the ubuntu-desktop pkg: sudo apt  install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop^   (note the caret); but before hat i'd check the sanity of the system , meaning purge external sources
[15:44] <wonko[m]> Would that be the same meta package name for studio?
[15:45] <ioria> i don't think so...
[15:45] <ioria> i guess is xfce4
[15:45] <wonko[m]> Let me ask ovenwerks
[15:46] <wonko[m]> I'm on 21.04 so plasma
[15:49] <wonko[m]> Ubuntustudio-desktop
[15:49] <wonko[m]> That should have been obvious. 🤣
[15:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:56] <alzgh> is there a way one can go through Ubuntu's source without downloading the source repositories? Like through a web frontend.
[15:58] <manuels> hi i have ubuntu server 64 bit on my pi. 64 bit is mandatory for docker aarch64 images. therefore I cant use bluezalso from the raspbian repos. is there a way to make the pi a bluetooth a2dp sink?
[15:58] <tarzeau_> alzgh: debian has that, not sure with ubuntu (but since they sync it, it's pretty much the same, but not exactly)
[15:59] <alzgh> Debian, is good enough for me.
[15:59] <tarzeau_> manin_: there's a way to install arm64 debian on it, but dunno if ubuntu has arm64 images for raspberry yet
[16:00] <tarzeau_> alzgh: example link to browser a source pkg: https://sources.debian.org/src/pt2-clone/1.27+ds-1/
[16:00] <alzgh> Just found this refrence on the front page:
[16:00] <alzgh> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
[16:01] <alzgh> lmao
[16:01] <alzgh> thanks tarzeau_
[16:01] <tarzeau_> alzgh: wait until you find engrish.com and r/engrish :)
[16:02] <alzgh> O, man. I cant work until I check that :D
[16:07] <gloomy> Hey :-) Is there something similar to gparted but slightly more beginner friendly (ideally something that can check that the current configuration is sensible and identify problems)?
[16:07] <TJ-> gloomy: you're describing gparted :)
[16:07] <ioria> gloomy, you can try gnome-disks
[16:09] <Grems> Terminal emulators: Which ones allow me to limit the number of tabs/windows that are open at the same time, the easiest? E.g. setting the limit at 10, and when I attempt to open #11, this one is immediately closed. (bash- and UTF-8-support are pretty much mandatory)
[16:11] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: is there a way to access the drive from a live Ubuntu boot in order to scrape the data? Considering I can unlock the drive.
[16:11] <pizzaburger> Reading on recovering ZFS pools but that's way over my head.
[16:29] <Merritt> Fresh install of Kubuntu 21.04, splash screen is blank / black while booting until the desktop loads. Not too familiar with.. plymouth I think? All the wikis / articles I found seem outdated and unreliable.
[16:31] <wonko[m]> All fixed, thanks guys!
[17:02] <pizzaburger> Got to importing the zpools but can't figure out how to recover them: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2sppCt3F38/. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!
[17:02] <mybalzitch> sudo zpool import -f bpool rpool
[17:06] <pizzaburger> mybalzitch: Thanks! Seems the commands worked, trying to reboot to see whether I still have the same error.
[17:09] <pizzaburger> Nope, still at "psmouse serio1: synaptics: unable to qquery device: -5" error after unlocking drive.
[17:13] <logranrun> running ubuntu 20.04, it looks like the ondrive support is integrated into the system. how do I access it. I can see in the control pannel under online accounts I am signed into Microsoft
[17:13] <logranrun> OneDrive I mean
[17:21] <logranrun> so on the control pannel it has "Online Accounts". It looks like google drive is integrated into the file explorer. I am trying to figure out how one drive works since there is a microsoft option, but I don't see the drive mounted anywhere
[17:26] <rfm> logranrun, I installed the "onedrive" package to use it. I seem to remember something about it not working on 20.04, though (I built it from source there.)  On 21.04 it works OK except a compiler bug makes it dump core on exit.  Setting it up is a bit complicated too, read the docs
[17:32] <logranrun> rfm, I am familiar with the ondrive executible
[17:32] <logranrun> but it seems something is built into 20.04
[17:33] <logranrun> I ahave been searching and it doesn't seem like anyone else knows what it does either
[17:33] <rfm> logranrun, I suspect the Microsoft account in settings is for mail and calendar...
[17:34] <logranrun> If you click on it, it seems to support mail and documents
[17:36] <mcon> I seem to remember Ubuntu has facilities to run processes in a container mimicking an older version (I need to run in 16.04) but I cannot remember details. Can someone point me in the right direction?
[17:36] <logranrun> maybe it is just broken in this release or soemthing
[17:37] <logranrun> found something in the manual that says to use a documents app, not sure what that means
[17:37] <oldgalileo> mcon: Pretty sure it's `adapt`?
[17:38] <logranrun> guess i am stuck with onedrive, the down side to that was you basically have to keep a mirror of the onedrive stored locally I think, or at least the part you use
[17:38] <logranrun> adapt?
[17:39] <ioria> i think he's looking for debootstrap and schroot
[17:41] <ioria> mcon,  ^ unless you want to install a vm or lxc
[17:42] <mcon> oldgalileo: No, AFAIK "adapt" makes some old software run in the current distribution. My need is the reverse: I have a build environment (not part of ubuntu distribution) expecting to run under Ubuntu 16.04. It generally works also with current (20.04), but in certain instances fails (e.g.: while compiling some selinux packages).
[17:42] <mcon> Current "solution" is to run in a VirtualBox VM, but that is very heavy.
[17:44] <mcon> I seem to recall there's some Hypervisor expecially tuned to run older Ubuntu releases and that Ubuntu maintains a series of "ready-to-use images. Did I dream?
[17:45] <hajonnes> where can I find infromation about my system, e.g. what firewall is installed @ubuntu 20.04
[17:46] <rfm> mcon, are you thinking of multipass * http://multipass.run )?  Only question is does it have a 16.04 image..
[17:49] <ioria> mcon, https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Programmazione/DebootstrapChroot
[17:50] <toddc> hajonnes: none I recommend ufw if yu want one
[17:50] <hajonnes> toddc I was thinking of installing firewalld https://firewalld.org/ and wonder if that is frontend of something. It seems that I have ufw installed but inactive.
[17:51] <mcon> ioria: I think lxc was the thing I had in mind. I will look also ay proposed alternatives. THANKS!
[17:51] <mcon> s/ay/at/
[17:51] <hajonnes> toddc though going in to "ubuntu software" it seams I have no marking of ufw being installed and there it says that I can install it.. strange?
[17:52] <toddc> hajonnes: https://www.configserverfirewall.com/ufw-ubuntu-firewall/ubuntu-check-firewall-status-ufw/
[17:59] <tomreyn> hajonnes: since the xmind 'executable' is a likely a .jar file (a java archive, actually a zip archive), there's a good chance you'll find an icon sized image file in it. idally, icons and logos should be in SVG format, but several other formats (such as those you mentioned) will work, too. the .Desktop file can point to an image file you placed on disk. common locations to store such files are /usr/share/icons/ and ~/.local/share/icons/
[17:59] <tomreyn> pizzaburger: i do not know how to recover ZFS pools. chances are someone else here (or in #linux) will know.
[18:21] <carnophage2> hi
[18:22] <tomreyn> hello carnophage2, and welcome to ubuntu (volunteer) support.
[18:26] <pizzaburger> !archive
[18:29] <tomreyn> logranrun: from what i remember, there are two usable onedrive clients available for Linux. Both of which do not immediately provide a GUI (but i think they describe ways to integrate with existing GUIs, such as GNOME Files / Nautilus). The one that's in Ubuntu (also available in never releases from a PPA), and another one. At least the first one is configurable. While it defaults to the 'full mirror' approach you discussed, later versions can
[18:29] <tomreyn> also run in the 'only access over the network' (and maybe also the 'only mirror what's regularly used') approach. The second implementation actually defaults to this approach.
[18:30] <carnophage2> hey tom
[18:31] <carnophage2> i want to set it up
[18:31] <carnophage2> where hexchat starts when i turn on my vm
[18:31] <carnophage2> i run ubuntu
[18:31] <carnophage2> i added hexchat in the startup programs
[18:31] <carnophage2> and it still doesn't start up when i turn on the vm
[18:31] <carnophage2> am i missing an argument or something?
[18:31] <carnophage2> for command i just have "hexchat"
[18:33] <tomreyn> logranrun: first implementation (in ubuntu) and installationa nd configuration details (scroll down) https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive --- second implementation: https://github.com/skilion/onedrive
[18:33] <tomreyn> !enter | carnophage2
[18:35] <tomreyn> carnophage2: is there a ~/.config/autostart/*exchat*.desktop  file?
[18:36] <tomreyn> carnophage2: the easiest approach for configurring applications you want to autostart is to install GNOME Tweaks ("Tweaks"), run it, go to "Startup Applications" and select the application you want to start.
[18:39] <pizzaburger> tomreyn: Thanks!
[18:39] <pizzaburger> How do I view all the messages from this chat room? Is there an archive?
[18:40] <tomreyn> !irclogs | pizzaburger
[18:40] <hajonnes> I do not find the keyboard layout I want in the settings but it is installed. I can activate it by "setxkbmap eu". How do I make it permanent and how do I select it from the gui @ubutntu 20.04
[18:40] <carnophage2> ubottu ok i did not know.
[18:42] <tomreyn> Merritt: if this is a Kubuntu specific issue (it could be, and I assume it is also "nvidia" driver specific), you may want to ask about it in #kubuntu instead.
[18:44] <tomreyn> hajonnes: this is euskalherria, right?
[18:50] <hajonnes> tomreyn, no it is eurokey https://eurkey.steffen.bruentjen.eu/download.html
[18:50] <hajonnes> sorry eurkey
[18:51] <hajonnes> under "Choose your installation"
[18:52] <tomreyn> i would not strictly expect this to be already packaged
[18:52] <tomreyn> ...in ubuntu
[18:54] <tomreyn> and, at least in ISO-639-1, "eu" is definitely short for "euskal" (basque)
[18:54] <tomreyn> *euskara
[18:54] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
[19:06] <hajonnes> tomreyn, it is packed in ubuntu. but since it is US keyboard with altGr to make special characters I tried to find it under US. Do you know where it is stored, I tried to search for euskara but could not find anything.
[19:09] <tomreyn> hajonnes: you're saying it's packaged, then you'll know the package name? you can show all the files in a deb package using    dpkg -L <packagename>    and this may hint on how to select it on the GUI.
[19:22] <hajonnes> tomreyn, I'm not sure, "setxkbmap eu" results in the eurkey keyboard layout. So it must exist in some package. it also says on the homepage that it is included in xkeyboard-config 2.12 and newer. But I do not know more than that.
[19:39] <Sayona> Hi, I need some help with VLC on ubuntu, I have two separate windows for display + another one for control.. how I can to be only one windows when I start vlc?
[19:54] <Liblx> Hello, I have closed all apps and terminals using my external drive but I still can't diconnect it safely. Is there a way to find the process using the drive?
[19:56] <kodiak_f> philisophical question.  Better to place /boot on LVM or on a raw partition?  I see pros and cons
[20:09] <TJ-> anyone else noticed that dhclient doesn't send its hostname despite the /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf "send host-name = gethostname();" ?
[20:20] <Simplar> Can I use legacy Unity from Ubuntu 14.04?
[20:25] <leftyfb> Simplar: no, nothing from Ubuntu 14.04 is supported any longer. There is still a maintained Unity project AFAIK though so you should be able to use that
[20:25] <Simplar> What would you recommend by the way in place of unity?
[20:26] <tomreyn> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[20:27] <leftyfb> Simplar: I would recommend gnome shell which is the default in ubuntu
[20:27] <tomreyn> it only has community support, though. the default and most supported desktop would be ubuntu-desktop (based on the gnome shell)
[20:27] <leftyfb> Simplar: free free to ask for more opinions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:27] <leftyfb> feel*
[22:07] <Lutin> hi guys... I'm wondering what resoved uses by default as its (forward) DNS servers... it seems to use my local ISP's ones but I don't see them define anywhere
[22:14] <toddc> Lutin: if we assume you are using default dhcp service DNS is confiured in you router all traffic goes from laptop to router then to the internet and external dns
[22:15] <toddc> Lutin: you can overide any of those settings
[22:16] <Lutin> toddc true...  indeed... can resolved use the rootservers ?
[22:16] <Lutin> toddc yeah I know but didn't thought of DHCP :)
[22:20] <toddc> Lutin: if you change your laptop to say google DNS you will not find other local computers on your network so normally we set DNS at the router level
[22:20] <Lutin> toddc yeah but this is a public VPS... that's why
[22:23] <toddc> Lutin: I like to set all my computers/servers to static IP and gateways routes ect then I do not need dhcp service --more stable
[22:23] <Lutin> toddc yeah I agree but this is pretty solid
[22:24] <Lutin> toddc I wonder how I can make resolved use the rootservers
[22:25] <toddc> edit /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml to your liking
[22:26] <TJ-> Lutin: you should never use the root servers as resolver
[22:26] <Lutin> TJ- why not ? what do you think a real resolver uses ?
[22:27] <Lutin> toddc I was hoping that resolved had those servers in hardcoded
[22:30] <toddc> Lutin:   https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration   no --  I agree with TJ- I avoid it/always used a local DNS that forwards to a external
[22:31] <TJ-> root servers provide hints but they're not intended for recursive resolving for clients
[22:32] <TJ-> If it is a VPS then using the ISP's recursive resolvers, or a public service like Cloudflare, Quad9, or similar, is the best option
[22:32] <Lutin> toddc not when you are not in control of the DNS servers... powerdns recursor can fix it also
[22:33] <Lutin> TJ- hints ?
[22:43] <TJ-> use bind as a recursive resolver then it's all yours, no forwarder
[22:48] <hajonnes> is there a place where I can put a setxkbmap command that gets executed on startup? .xinitrc does not work. I think gnome is overriding a lot of stuff.
[22:55] <noarb> in order to print to a CUPS ubuntu server from a separate CUPS service running on both, or is there a smaller client available?
[22:56] <noarb> sorry, kind of gibberish. If an ubuntu server is running CUPs and has a printer attached and shareable, is the full CUPS suite required on clients to print to that server?
[23:14] <BinarySavior> when i get a crash "The application APPNAME has closed unexpectedly" where does it log all the details?
[23:14] <BinarySavior> i would like to attach it to a bug report
[23:39] <Lutin> would it be possible to install bind and make it listen only on localhost ?