[00:03] <sonicbadger> I am going to call it a night now. I have to go to bed now. Tomorrow is going to be an interesting day. My boss is back from holiday and that means he has spent way to much time thinking about things that he wants to change. So he will spend the first few hours of tomorrow having a strop at everybody.
[00:05] <godbyk> Fun!
[00:05] <godbyk> Thanks for your help, sonicbadger.
[00:05] <sonicbadger> np
[00:05] <sonicbadger> I do have some fun planned for tomorrow at work.
[00:06] <sonicbadger> Another guy is also back from holiday. I have rigged a device that will flick tiny bits of paper at him when he gets in and moves his mouse. :)
[00:07] <godbyk> lol
[00:07] <godbyk> awesome.
[00:08] <sonicbadger> Hopefully I can get it on video
[00:08] <godbyk> I'll be working on the manual this evening. Then I have to spend a bit of time on some C++ code for work.
[00:08] <godbyk> You'll have to share it if you do. :)
[00:08] <sonicbadger> Np
[00:52] <nisshh> humphreybc: hey, hows the company thing coming along?
[00:52] <humphreybc> lol
[00:52] <humphreybc> not bad
[00:52] <nisshh> what?
[00:52] <nisshh> did i say something?
[00:53] <godbyk> Hey. humphreybc.. don't forget to fix that Ubuntu manual bug that's assigned to you before tomorrow. :)
[00:53] <humphreybc> no?
[00:53] <humphreybc> godbyk, yeah, that's what I was going to come in here for
[00:53] <godbyk> cool
[00:53] <nisshh> humphreybc: why did you laugh? :)
[00:55] <humphreybc> "the company thing"
[00:55] <humphreybc> made me chuckle
[00:55] <nisshh> oh lol
[00:55] <nisshh> humphreybc: should i have said "the super duper awesome never before seen company"?
[00:56] <humphreybc> haha no "the company thing" sums it up nicely
[00:57] <humphreybc> godbyk: give me a list of the folders from / down that people should know about
[00:57] <nisshh> hehe
[00:58] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[00:59] <godbyk> humphreybc: Though this page appears a bit more concise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_directory_structure
[01:00] <godbyk> I'd say the ones that end users care about most are probably:
[01:01] <godbyk> oh, and /media since that's where their usb keys and whatnot get mounted nowadays.
[01:01] <godbyk>  /home, /etc /var/log and /usr/bin and /usr/lib
[01:01] <godbyk> (forgot the space, so irc hated me. oops)
[01:03] <humphreybc> ok
[01:05] <humphreybc> how big does this diagram have to be?
[01:06] <godbyk> no clue
[01:06] <humphreybc> lol
[01:07] <humphreybc> so is /var and /log separate?
[01:07] <humphreybc> are end users really going to care about these?
[01:07] <godbyk> log is a subdir of /var
[01:07] <brandonj> humphreybc: there is no /log
[01:07] <godbyk> and end users would only care if they need to find the log files for reporting errors, etc.
[01:11] <humphreybc> ok
[01:14] <Omega> Yo humphreybc.
[01:14] <Omega> Did you hear about Ubuntu Tour?
[01:15] <humphreybc> ?
[01:15] <Omega>  http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75 https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour
[01:15] <Omega> It
[01:16] <Omega> It's a project we started yesterday (today)
[01:23] <humphreybc> what do we think about this? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1887929/filesystem.png
[01:25] <Muscovy> That's a good chart.
[01:25] <Muscovy> I like how it emphasize the home dir.
[01:25] <godbyk> humphreybc: not too bad.  Music, Photos, and Videos should be capitalized, though, right?
[01:25]  * humphreybc sighs :P
[01:25] <Muscovy> I'd maybe include /bin and /media.
[01:25] <godbyk> Also, the letterspacing on the type is too tight.
[01:25] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:25] <humphreybc> I need to fix the kerning
[01:26] <godbyk> Muscovy: only system binaries are in /bin.
[01:26] <godbyk> humphreybc: Is it a vector graphic?
[01:26] <godbyk> humphreybc: Oh, and you should probably have a root / node at the top.
[01:26] <brandonj> +1 to root node and /media
[01:27] <humphreybc> okay, two secs
[01:29] <godbyk> humphreybc: The width of the text block (including margin note area) is 480 pt.
[01:29] <humphreybc> oh
[01:29] <humphreybc> my thing is twice that
[01:30] <humphreybc> nvm, i'll work something out
[01:30] <godbyk> So whatever you give me will be scaled to fit that width.
[01:30] <godbyk> it's okay if it's bigger, it'll get scaled automatically.
[01:30] <godbyk> I just wanted to let you know so you'd have an idea of what scale it'd be at.
[01:30] <godbyk> (the width is slightly different for A4 paper anyway)
[01:31] <godbyk> speaking of, will we have to have new graphics for each translation?  (Is Music, Photos, etc. translated?)
[01:31] <humphreybc> yeah...
[01:31] <humphreybc> unfortunately
[01:32] <brandonj> thats a pain
[01:35] <humphreybc> refresh that link
[01:36] <humphreybc> good?
[01:36] <humphreybc> now I just need to scale it
[01:37] <brandonj> i like it
[01:37] <godbyk> for the subdirs of /usr and /var, you list the /usr and /var parent dirs. but you don't do that for the other subdirs.
[01:38] <Omega> I was just about to mention that.
[01:38] <humphreybc> refresh
[01:39] <humphreybc> it doesn't look very good scaled down to < 480 pts wide
[01:41] <Omega> For the subdirs of /, you list the / parent folders for all but home.
[01:41] <Omega> folder*
[01:42] <humphreybc> fixed
[01:42] <Omega> I think under user, a better fit would be Documents, Downloads, Music.
[01:42] <Omega> For the variety
[01:42] <godbyk> I'm building the PDF with your image. We'll see how it looks.
[01:43] <Omega> So the user doesn't assume it's only for multimedia.
[01:43] <humphreybc> fair point
[01:45] <godbyk> uploading
[01:45] <godbyk> it'll be on page 121
[01:45] <humphreybc> righto
[01:45] <humphreybc> i think the fonts are going to take the hardest hit
[01:46] <godbyk> uploaded to http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/main.pdf
[01:46] <godbyk> brb. gonna grab my other mouse. this one's batteries died.
[01:48] <humphreybc> actually it looks fine
[01:48] <godbyk> back
[01:48] <brandonj> yeah I dont think it looks bad
[01:48] <humphreybc> we'll need to change the text underneath to reflect the new diagram
[01:48] <Omega> Are there any plans for an online version of the guide?
[01:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: what app did you use to create this?
[01:48] <humphreybc> godbyk I give you one guess
[01:48] <godbyk> can we get a vector version? (say, svg or pdf?)
[01:49] <humphreybc> ugh I suppose I could re-do it in illustrator
[01:49] <humphreybc> is it really, really, really important?
[01:49] <godbyk> well, it looks all pixelated and blech.  and it may not print well.
[01:50] <humphreybc> I think it looks okay
[01:50] <humphreybc> I can resize it in photoshop first, might have better resizing
[01:50] <humphreybc> (especially for fonts)
[01:50] <godbyk> Are you thorwil? ;-)
[01:50] <humphreybc> I have shit to do today and a lab report due on thursday!
[01:51] <godbyk> Who waited 'til the last minute to create a new diagram?  <grin>
[01:51] <humphreybc> new and imporved smaller version: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1887929/filesystem.png
[01:51] <humphreybc> maybe I'll get around to making it better for Maverick
[01:52] <humphreybc> (read: in illustrator)
[01:52] <humphreybc> godbyk: why does our monospace font look so terrible?
[01:53] <godbyk> humphreybc: What's terrible about it?
[01:53] <humphreybc> everything
[01:54] <godbyk> rebuilding pdf with smaller version.
[01:54] <humphreybc> godbyk, do you think you have time to fix the text underneath the diagram?
[01:54] <godbyk> humphreybc: Ha. Well, you'll have to be more specific, I guess.  We're using DejaVu Sans Mono.
[01:54] <humphreybc> The spacing between verticals in 'm' and 'n' is horrible
[01:55] <humphreybc> in general, it's just horrible
[01:55] <humphreybc> surely we have some other monospace we can try ;)
[01:56] <godbyk> humphreybc: Find me one with good language support and I'll give it a shot.
[01:56] <humphreybc> bastard :P
[01:57] <godbyk> It's really hard to find good monospaced fonts.
[01:57] <humphreybc> that's disappointing :(
[01:59] <godbyk> uploading new pdf.
[02:00] <humphreybc> godbyk: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/pongo-records-screen-activity-audio.html
[02:01] <godbyk> upload finished. same url.
[02:01] <godbyk> humphreybc: cool. 'bout time. :)
[02:03] <humphreybc> stupid windows
[02:03] <humphreybc> every time i try to open the file, it says adobe reader can't view it in the browser and will now close
[02:03] <humphreybc> but i can't download the file
[02:04] <humphreybc> okay, just went back to /builds and downloaded it from there
[02:05] <humphreybc> godbyk is it just me, or does that look worse than before?
[02:06] <godbyk> I think it looks fuzzier than before, yeah.
[02:06] <humphreybc> use the larger one then
[02:06] <godbyk> you have to upload the big one again.
[02:06] <humphreybc> already done
[02:07] <godbyk> 'kay.
[02:07] <godbyk> rebuilding.
[02:09] <Omega> Maybe we should use the new Ubuntu font.
[02:10] <humphreybc> doesn't have a serif version
[02:11] <godbyk> Omega: When it's been released we quite possibly will use it for the headings.
[02:11] <godbyk> It doesn't work well for the margin notes, unfortunately.
[02:12] <Omega> Well, night guys.
[02:12] <Omega> School life begins!
[02:17] <humphreybc> these guys are so unruly: http://www.myspace.com/localnatives
[02:17] <humphreybc> scroll down to see crazy zombie heads
[02:20] <godbyk> See ya, Omega!
[02:21] <godbyk> humphreybc: that pretty much reaffirms why I don't click on myspace pages. UGLY!
[02:21] <humphreybc> haha
[02:22] <humphreybc> great band though
[09:05] <trijntje> ping godbyk
[09:06] <godbyk> trijntje: pong
[09:07] <trijntje> hi, I saw you mailed hannie about some issues with the manual, but she forgot to forward that mail to the dutch team before she went on vacation. Can you tell me an update about the translation problems with LP?
[09:07] <trijntje> *give me an update
[09:08] <godbyk> trijntje: I'm not sure what specific problems you have in mind.
[09:09] <trijntje> godbyk, translations reverting back to suggestions
[09:09] <godbyk> trijntje: But at the moment, you should be focusing on translating the lucid-e1 branch.  (Though if you like you can switch to the lucid-e2 branch in a few days after we've released it.)
[09:09] <godbyk> Ah, right. Not much I can do about that, I'm afraid.
[09:09] <godbyk> I don't know why that happens.
[09:10] <trijntje> that also happens in e1, thats the problem
[09:11] <godbyk> I know.
[09:11] <godbyk> A few things I do know:
[09:11] <godbyk> 1. If the translation template file (.pot file) is updated, then it can screw up existing translations if Launchpad thinks the original English text has been changed.
[09:12] <godbyk> This shouldn't happen in e1 as it's under a writing freeze.  But since people have changed the translation settings a couple of times, Launchpad has reloaded the .pot file and this may have caused problems.
[09:12] <godbyk> 2. Launchpad will pull translations from e1 to e2 and vice versa if the strings match.
[09:13] <godbyk> So if you translate a paragraph in e2 and the same paragraph appears in e1, Launchpad will show the e2 translation as a suggestion in the e1 branch.
[09:13] <trijntje> thats a good thing
[09:14] <trijntje> so I should try to review some more, download the .po just in case and see if it reverts again?
[09:14] <godbyk> 3. There's a Launchpad bug with the translations where an empty string in the .po file (translation file) can cause existing translations to be marked as suggestions. The Launchpad developers know about it, but haven't had time to fix it yet.
[09:14] <dpm> That's message sharing. It will actually translate the message in e1
[09:14] <godbyk> trijntje: Sounds like a plan.
[09:14] <godbyk> trijntje: Do you translate using Launchpad? Or do you edit the .po file itself?
[09:15] <trijntje> godbyk, using launchpad, as we have many new team members that submit suggestions
[09:15] <godbyk> trijntje: Okay. I think most of our translators are using Launchpad.
[09:18] <trijntje> godbyk, ok, ill try it today or tomorrow and I will be back here if something goes wrong
[09:19] <godbyk> trijntje: Sure. Let me know if you run into problems.  If you do, we'll make a careful list of steps to repeat the bug so we can report it to the Launchpad developers.
[09:20] <trijntje> godbyk, will do, thanks for your time
[09:23] <godbyk> no problem
[09:27] <jcisio> hello
[09:28] <jcisio> we Vietnamese has arrived at 100% milestone, could someone pull the LP to bazaar and compile to check it?
[09:28] <jcisio> :)
[09:29] <jcisio> next step, we hope that there are a lot of users volunteering for the proofreading and release it soon
[18:51] <jenkins> thorwil: what do you think of http://www.flickr.com/photos/muscovyx/4886602265/ suggested by muscovy
[18:51] <jenkins> flan ping
[18:51] <jenkins> I think the lense needs some adjusting and the colours changed to less ubuntu ones but its a good idea
[18:52] <flan_> Hi.
[18:52] <flan_> I noticed that you cleared out the idle applicant list.
[18:53] <flan_> Internet isntallations's cheduled for Saturday.
[18:53] <thorwil> jenkins: there is no lense, unless you really _want_ to see one. no hint that it's about more than just a screenshot (and not much of a hint that it is about screenshots at all)
[18:54] <flan_> I like the way it looks, but I have no clue what it represents.
[18:54] <flan_> I'd gladly affix it to a car or get it put onto a shirt.
[18:55] <jenkins> well I had a chat in #ubuntu-uk and asked people to guess what the program was from the icons we had so far. The feed back was it took to long to guess and a picture of a desktop was suggested by popey as it was more screenshot like to him
[18:56] <jenkins> I did come up with http://imagebin.org/109820 and this one http://imagebin.org/109830 basied on pope-ys idea
[18:56] <flan_> What about a side-view of an old-style CRT and a camera pointing at it?
[18:57] <jenkins> I also did something else which i can't find
[18:57] <thorwil> ah, that's what you meant with 45 degrees rotation
[18:58] <jenkins> yep :)
[18:58] <thorwil> http://imagebin.org/109830 could be monitor-controls or appearance
[18:59] <jenkins> yea thats what i thought but i went with the idea as it was suggested
[18:59] <thorwil> worse than not making sense is looking like something else, as you can bet there will be such a just-a-monitor icon around
[19:00] <thorwil> flan_: got any feedback on http://www.foopics.com/showfull/97ddf1478522eee7212bca5f6963789e ?
[19:02] <flan_> The last one on the second row seems to imply "this does something with parts of your screen".
[19:02] <flan_> And it's visually pleasing.
[19:02] <jenkins> thorwil: it was 3-4 guesses before anyone got screenshots when I asked :( in #ubuntu-uk but muscovy said he liked the far rigth ones and those are my prefered from them
[19:05] <jenkins> I am not sure on the colours but I have no better suggestions.
[19:06] <flan_> I'm totally going to get a mousepad with jenkins' first-linked image on it.
[19:06] <thorwil> the colors are very much secondary
[19:07] <jenkins> yep i figured :)
[19:09] <jenkins> flan_: I am getting there with the debian rules file rewrite
[19:09] <flan_> I am waiting for an Internet.
[19:09] <flan_> :(
[19:10] <flan_> It's very hard to write code with a still-not-fully-familiar framework and no access to APIs or supporting documentation.
[19:10] <jenkins> :( i sent half the weekend pinging you untill i remembered :D
[19:10] <flan_> Yeah... irssi was pretty "YOU HAVE LOTS OF NEW MESSAGES!" when I go in today.
[19:11] <flan_> But I disabled logging, so I couldn't read them.
[19:11] <jenkins> no worries it,
[20:58] <thorwil> jenkins, flan_, vish: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/4a0a3d709163b46dd879aee55ddd5f1b
[20:59] <jenkins> thorwil: that does make more sense now. at 100% in a browser is that the right size for an icon?
[21:01] <jenkins> I think 69% looks about icon size to me
[21:02] <jenkins> I like it lots better than the original mock up :) and is the best so far
[21:02] <thorwil> jenkins: 48px
[21:04] <thorwil> jenkins: good. i'd like to know if we have a winner here, before i bother with other sizes, though :)
[21:04] <jenkins> yea i don't blame you :)
[21:05] <jenkins> I think it would be best to make each desktop a different colour / distro. but that is also immaterial until we decide, flan_ ....
[21:07] <thorwil> then the next guy will complain about it being to colorful ;)
[21:07] <thorwil> good night!
[21:51] <jenkins> night all
[21:51] <Muscovy> Gnight.
[22:17] <godbyk> Hey, daker.  How will creating an available_manuals2 array do anything?  I do see anywhere in the code that looks for such an array.
[22:17] <dutchie> is it out yet?
[22:18] <godbyk> Nope, not yet.
[22:18] <godbyk> I was just planning a head a bit.
[22:18] <godbyk> I'll release it in a few hours.
[22:19] <daker> available_manuals2 is downloads.php & ajax_manuals.php
[22:20] <daker> in*
[22:21] <godbyk> I don't see it there yet.  Should it be there already? Or will you upload those changes after I've released the manual?
[22:23] <Muscovy> I'm excited for e2. :D
[22:25]  * daker is confused
[22:26] <daker> godbyk, i'll do the changes oki ?
[22:26] <godbyk> daker: Okay. Thanks!
[23:31] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: Think we're ready for the e2 release?
[23:33] <dutchie> you have half an hour to release it on time in en_GB
[23:33] <dutchie> :P
[23:40] <Omega> Are you really a dutchie?
[23:40] <Omega> Or is it all leugens?
[23:41] <dutchie> it's all a joke
[23:41] <dutchie> since my name is Josh Holland
[23:41] <daker> \o/
[23:44] <godbyk> http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/screen.pdf and http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/print.pdf
[23:45] <godbyk> If anyone sees any bugs, this is your last chance to report 'em and fix 'em. :-)
[23:45] <Muscovy> Will do.
[23:45] <Muscovy> ETA a few hours still>
[23:45] <Muscovy> ?
[23:45] <godbyk> Muscovy: Whenever I get tired of sitting around and waiting.  :)
[23:50] <ChrisWoollard> found a bug
[23:50] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: do tell
[23:50] <ChrisWoollard> my instead of by
[23:51] <godbyk> where?
[23:52] <ChrisWoollard> fixed already :)
[23:52] <godbyk> okay


[00:00] <fbrier> I have an odd problem after migrating my home directory from a Fedora 27 Mate system to a new Ubuntu 18.04 Mate system. It doesn't think it has a valid window manager. It also puts the primary display on my left monitor instead of the right.
[00:01] <sparr> I have upgraded from 18.04 to 19.04 using the Software Updater GUI and now have two problems. First, my wifi doesn't work because the iwlwifi module won't install due to no suitable firmware. I can ignore this for now and hope it's fixed in 19.10, which leads to my next problem. Software Updater offers an upgrade to 19.10 which silently fails, and from the command line I can see that it complains "Please
[00:01] <sparr> install all available updates for your release before upgrading.". Software Updater says there are no updates to install. `apt update` says one package is upgradable, and `apt list --upgradable` says "libsnmp30/disco-updates 5.7.3+dfsg-5ubuntu1.2 amd64 [upgradable from: 5.7.3+dfsg-1.8ubuntu3.3]" but `apt upgrade` says that package is kept back. Manual attempts in install/update libsnmp30 lead to an unmet
[00:01] <sparr> dependency on libsensors5 which depends on libsensors-config which conflicts libsensors4 which a whole bunch of gnome packages have in their dependency tree.
[00:01] <fbrier> So I change it with Mate Tweak, and the window manager gets loaded and all is good. Until I log out.
[00:02] <konrados> Hey, I do know that newest ubuntu's requirements regarding RAM is about 4gb, but now I only want to *install* it, from bootable usb, using a PC with 2gb, is this possible? I mean, I've been now waiting an hour for it to even start, I only see a logo and those 5 dots flashing.
[00:02] <konrados> Install it on a disk, which will later go to a  better computer.
[00:02] <fbrier> And using the Control Center, I change the primary display.  And then the disk will go to a machine with 16 GB.
[00:07] <fbrier> Something is preventing the changes from being remembered. Thoughts?
[00:10] <sparr> if I forcibly remove libsnmp30 then try do-release-upgrade then pkgProblemResolver tries to resolve broken dependencies and ends up wanting to uninstall a bunch of stuff
[00:12] <MrSassyPants> Ok, past the grub kernel options, what do I need to disable/change so I can see the rest of the console output during boot
[00:17] <sparr> "Remove: gnome-control-center hplip simple-scan ubuntu-desktop-minimal" is this expected with an upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10?
[00:17] <sparr> gnome-control-center sounds important
[00:20] <Robert74> I can't transfer files from my PC to my phone. What might be the problem? What should I do to fix that?
[00:26] <sparr> Robert74: usb, bluetooth, some other connection?
[00:27] <Robert74> USB. Previously it worked fine. Now (after installing 19.10) it doesn't.
[00:33] <chieta> just realized that this take resource intensively https://bpaste.net/OY3A ... anyone here with this update-secureboot-policy process?
[00:36] <OerHeks> looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1799279
[00:38] <Robert74> How can I figure out what my issue is with transferring files?
[00:38] <Robert74> The phone does not appear in File Manager
[00:40] <sparr> Robert74: does `dmesg` show anything at the bottom when you plug or unplug the phone?
[00:40] <OerHeks> is the phone unlocked before connecting?
[00:40] <sparr> or `tail -f /var/log/syslog` which you can leave running in a terminal while you experiment
[00:41] <sparr> does the phone start charging?
[00:42] <Robert74> yes
[00:42] <Robert74> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h9t8KzZMbg/
[00:43] <Robert74> That is what happens when I plug it to the PC and choose "Transfer files" instead of "Charge the device"
[00:46] <Robert74> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pDjcdkNDvR/
[00:48] <Robert74> @OerHeks, yes, it is unlocked
[00:48] <chieta> checking the link OerHeks
[00:50] <OerHeks> redmi 4?
[00:50] <OerHeks> or 5?
[00:50] <Robert74> Redmi Note 5A
[00:55] <OerHeks> seems like a trouble maker, how did you get it working in your previous ubuntu?
[00:56] <OerHeks> this one? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1085575/unable-to-connect-to-mtp-device
[00:56] <Robert74> No, not this. Mine isn't 5 Pro. Mine is 5A.
[00:57] <Robert74> It just worked in Xubuntu 19.04. Then I tried installing Xubuntu Core 19.10 via netinst. I think I may not have some packages / libs or something like that.
[00:57] <Robert74> I've chosen Xubuntu minimal installation
[00:58] <OerHeks> oh, no upgrade?
[00:58] <Robert74> I didn't upgrade it. I just reinstalled it.
[00:58] <OerHeks> and a special way of installation ..
[00:59] <extor> Is there some peer to peer way of transferring files between two ubuntu laptops without involving a wifi hub? Bluetooth or wifi?
[01:14] <OerHeks> Robert74, how about just reinstall xubuntu-desktop*
[01:15] <OerHeks> and that mtp package stuff, that must be uninstalled too with core/minimal
[01:15] <Robert74> It will bring many unnecessary apps & packages :(
[01:29] <Bashing-om> Robert74: gvfs-backends? ' apt show gvfs-backends '-verify it is installed: ' dpkg-l gvfs-backends' .
[01:29] <extor> Any decent bluetooth utilities in ubuntu? CLI or graphical
[01:30] <Robert74> I just tried installing it, but nothing happened. I'll try rebooting PC to see if it helps.
[01:34] <OerHeks> decent? no, the standard tools work fine.
[01:39] <extor> Just found it
[01:44] <Robert74> Thank you SO much! :)  installing gvfs-backends and rebooting helped me indeed! It was so easy, why didn't I guess to do it myself :)  :)  :)
[01:45] <Bashing-om> Robert74: :D Good job ! ^ no substitute for experience. Now you too have more :P
[02:08] <Aktive> why is ubuntu 19.04 not on the website
[02:08] <funhouse> Just wondering what the best way to run a command as www-data user?
[02:21] <sparr> Aktive: it's outdated
[02:25] <sethkush> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 19.04 keeps logs if there's a kernel oops?
[02:25] <sethkush> My PC has an oops every time I try to resume from suspend
[02:27] <sethkush> 19.10 that is
[02:48] <Aktive> 18.04 is newer than 19.04 ?
[02:50] <Bashing-om> !releases
[02:52] <quazimodo> so i have something weird going on
[02:53] <quazimodo> /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf instead of ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[02:53] <Aktive> Bashing-om, Oh I just assumed it was lts
[02:54] <quazimodo> I don't know what config messups i've made, but i have NetworkManager, systemd-resolvd, resolvconf & expressvpn on this machine
[02:54] <quazimodo> every time i turn off vpn nothing works right
[02:54] <Bashing-om> !lts
[03:02] <quazimodo> does 18.04 come with resolvconf installed?
[03:53] <WoC> I'm getting a; "Could not sync environment to dbus" when i try to login to my Plasma session, is there any simple fix for this ?
[03:53] <WoC> only a "okay" button which logs me out
[03:54] <WoC> re-install dbus ?
[03:57] <WoC> Nope, that didn't help
[04:00] <cgipython> Anyone using a ssh from ios device here? I am looking for a good ssh solution from ios - preferably from a us or eu based company
[04:03] <WoC> cgipython: try #Apple ?
[04:03] <cgipython> WoC, Just got some help there
[04:03] <WoC> ok :)
[04:04] <WoC> cgipython: I don't think you find anything better than open-ssh though
[04:09] <cgipython> WoC, I dont think openssh is compiled for an ipad - is it?
[04:10] <WoC> if you compile it ;)
[04:11] <WoC> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian bullseye/sid • CPU: PPC970 (2.00GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.8 GiB Total (2.8 GiB Free) Swap: 15.6 GiB Total (15.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 229.1 GB / 1.9 TB (1.7 TB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV350 [Radeon 9550/9600/X1050 Series] @ Apple Inc. CPC945 HT Bridge • Uptime: 1h 13m 16s
[04:11] <WoC> This is the only Apple product i have
[04:21] <cgipython> WoC, which apple product?
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> WoC: this is ubuntu support, not debian support
[04:30] <WoC> lotuspsychje: I know, the other box is ubuntu, sorted now, lxdm broken
[04:31] <WoC> besides, ubuntu doesnt support ppc
[04:32] <WoC> gdm3 works, but not lxdm ;P
[06:00] <elgoo> g'day all
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> morning elgoo
[06:01] <elgoo> =)
[06:14] <mohnish_> Hello everyone! I'm having trouble with the current version of bluez (5.50). And, I wish to downgrade it to 5.48, but, when I try "sudo apt install blues=5.48", it says that the version was not found for package blues. Is there a way I can get it installed?
[06:14] <mohnish_> *bluez
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: we strongly reccomend to use package versions, meant for your specific ubuntu version
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[06:14] <mohnish_> 19.10
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> !info bluez eoan
[06:16] <mohnish_> But, there seems to be a bug in it. I asked here earlier about that bug, unfortunately I couldn't get help. That is why I wish to downgrade
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: do you have the bug ID for it please?
[06:16] <mohnish_> um, let me search for it
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[06:22] <mohnish_> lotuspsychje: I'm sorry, I can't find the bug ID
[06:23] <mohnish_> Why is it not recommended to downgrade?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: if you want to start testing/debugging reccomended to install another version of ubuntu with the bluez version that comes with it
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: when you mix package versions on apt, your system will result into dependency issues
[06:24] <mohnish_> Oh
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: for higher versions one can try !backports or snaps
[06:25] <mohnish_> So, is there a way I can downgrade to Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. I'm a novice to linux and would like to go for the LTS
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: i see there's a bluez 5.47-3 snap too, you can try if you like
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: no, downgrading ubuntu releases is also not done
[06:27] <mohnish_> you mean, it cannot be done?
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: its not how it works yeah
[06:28] <mohnish_> oh, okay
[06:29] <mohnish_> Let me try 5.47-3. I'll see if it works
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: im curious, whats your bug about exactly?
[06:31] <mohnish_> When I try to scan using blueman,
[06:31] <mohnish_> it says dbus.error.noreply
[06:31] <mohnish_> It cannot scan my phone, and my phone cannot scan my pc
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: on gnome?
[06:32] <mohnish_> MATE
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: you might want to also talk with the #ubuntu-mate guys then
[06:32] <mohnish_> Oh, okay
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> maybe someone has seen that error
[06:33] <mohnish_> oh, okay
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> on gnome you can choose between built-in bluetooth or installing blueman
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> not sure how mate handles it
[06:35] <amazoniantoad> I can't get my computer to sleep I get "refuses to freeze" and it says something about wq_busy=0
[06:35] <mohnish_> lotuspsychje, When I try to install 5.47-3, it says the version was not found for bluez
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: sudo snap install bluez
[06:36] <mohnish_> =5.47-3?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> thats the version it will install
[06:39] <mohnish_> okay, so should I do, "sudo snap install bluez=5.47-3"?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> no
[06:40] <mohnish_> without "=5.47-3", right?
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> yes
[06:40] <mohnish_> ok
[06:44] <elgoo> hi all hoping s1 could help me-getting this when using Gedit
[06:44] <elgoo> Set document metadata failed: Setting attribute metadata::gedit-spell-language not supported
[06:44] <elgoo> https://pastebin.com/metmgm81
[06:45] <elgoo> wanting to be able to click save and close the file made by pasting from firefox to a gedit file
[06:48] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 19.10 (earlier tried 18,04.3) on my Dell Latitude E7440, the only 1 problem is the Erratic Alps Touchpad. Tried pretty much everything from the internet, but just doesn't work. Please help, tx
[06:51] <elgoo> update all sorted if works will post
[06:59] <pi0> help
[06:59] <pi0> how do i create a recovery usb
[06:59] <pi0> my system boots up and i have no control over the mouse or keyboard
[06:59] <pi0> I installed an app called run_scaled and it all went to shit after that
[07:05] <elgoo> pi0 hold shift during boot, pick a number;a time when it all worked(earlier date).boot up then google ubuntu bup 'options'
[07:07] <elgoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[07:07] <pi0> what would cause a mouse to freeze?
[07:08] <pi0> you mean boot from an ealier version of kernel?
[07:11] <akemhp> Or boot into terminal mode only and uninstall that app.
[07:11] <akemhp> Maybe you can still switch to terminal with ctrl+alt+FX at the login screen.
[07:14] <elgoo> pi0, yup to an earlier kernel i meant, but i am by no means an expert with linux
[07:14] <pi0> arg
[07:14] <pi0> i am able to boot into the machine
[07:14] <pi0> as soon as i enter my username and passsword
[07:14] <pi0> it freezes
[07:15] <pi0> fudge!
[07:15] <elgoo> restart shift choose kernel report back errors
[07:16] <elgoo> any reason you cant fresh install
[07:16] <elgoo> eg i have no bups
[07:16] <pi0> that is my plan but i have school project on there and i cant loose it :/
[07:17] <pi0> going to try the restart, were is the report back errors located?
[07:18] <elgoo> no physical location just let me know whether it works and tell if it does the same thing or if it logs back in
[07:18] <elgoo> an ur mse is usable
[07:18] <elgoo> shit stop
[07:19] <pi0> i am in recovery menu
[07:19] <elgoo> dont want u to delete file dont proceed
[07:20] <elgoo> could try memtest
[07:23] <pi0> hmm
[07:24] <elgoo> how about running ubuntu live from a usb, then browsing to the file you need to save and saving elsewhere like on another usb or cloud service
[07:24] <elgoo> then fresh installing
[07:24] <elgoo> and carrying on as normal
[07:25] <pi0> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/446816/ubuntu-16-04-lts-mouse-keyboard-doesnt-work-at-login-screen-and-then-freeze
[07:25] <pi0> this is the issue
[07:25] <elgoo> doesnt teach you how to fix issue but gets u where u wanna be worse case
[07:29] <akemhp> Boot on a live USB and copy the files you need from the disk then do a clean reinstall, seems the easiest/fastest.
[07:29] <elgoo> im with akemhp
[07:30] <pi0> how do i mount the directories
[07:30] <pi0> from the comp
[07:30] <Blade> ikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[07:30] <Blade> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 5.5.0-050500rc4-lowlatency x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Gnome 3.34.1
[07:30] <Blade>            Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[07:30] <elgoo> use a gui or a terminal with mount and read man mount
[07:31] <elgoo> have you got a working terminal
[07:31] <elgoo> machine in question
[07:32] <akemhp> pi0, Something like "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" to mount it to "/mnt", use "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda" to list the partitions.
[07:34] <pi0> thank you
[07:34] <pi0> that is the best thing to do
[07:34] <pi0> i am toast
[07:34] <pi0> i have spent all day for a solution on this
[07:35] <pi0> i will try that tomorrow
[07:35] <pi0> thank you for the suggestion!
[07:35] <akemhp> Np.
[07:35] <pi0> and now i really need to figure out how to create a recovery method
[07:35] <pi0> that i can go back to when it goes bad
[07:36] <elias_a> pi0: Use a separate /home partition and backup regularly. That's it.
[07:36] <pi0> brb
[07:36] <pi0> will be
[07:36] <pi0> will do
[07:38] <elgoo> déjà-dup
[07:38] <akemhp> elias_a, You can backup your home regularly without having a separate /home partition.
[07:39] <akemhp> I don't really see the advantage of having a separate home partition.
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> ubuntu freezes completly after i login
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> even the numlock freezes
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> however when i boot into windows everything works
[07:55] <AugustusCaesar24> im dual booting ubuntu 18.04 and windows 10
[08:07] <akemhp> AugustusCaesar24, Did you try ctrl+alt+F1 or F2 at login screen to switch to terminal?
[08:08] <AugustusCaesar24> i did but i couldnt login for some reason
[08:08] <AugustusCaesar24> my same username and password wasnt working
[08:08] <AugustusCaesar24> im currently in recovery mode trying to see what i can do
[08:10] <AugustusCaesar24> i think its a driver issue
[08:10] <akemhp> I see, maybe your keyboard mapping was wrong? If it's not qwerty. Did you install that program named "run_scaled" too and/or "winswitch/xpra"?
[08:11] <AugustusCaesar24> because my mouse does freeze at times and i use the   sudo apt-get reinstall xorg mouse for it to work again
[08:11] <AugustusCaesar24> i dont think so
[08:11] <AugustusCaesar24> the hardware works when i boot into windows
[08:11] <AugustusCaesar24> it cant be the hardware
[08:12] <akemhp> Maybe you can try Xorg instead of Wayland at login, see if it makes any changes.
[08:13] <AugustusCaesar24> what should i run
[08:13] <akemhp> You need to click the little gear icon at login. But if your mouse is frozen at boot time it will be complicated of course.
[08:14] <akemhp> AugustusCaesar24, Is it a laptop computer?
[08:14] <AugustusCaesar24> yep
[08:14] <akemhp> The touchpad is locked too?
[08:14] <AugustusCaesar24> yep
[08:14] <akemhp> I mean you tried with/without USB mouse?
[08:15] <akemhp> I see.
[08:15] <AugustusCaesar24> i tried going to recovery mode and after i tried somethings i would hit resume and it would freeze there until i press the powerbutton and then it shuts down
[08:15] <AugustusCaesar24> im not sure whats going on there
[08:21] <akemhp> Well i'm not sure what you can do either...But if you can switch to terminal it means its not frozen, now; that you can't login with your IDs is another issue...What i would do is reintall...But maybe someone will know what else you can do. Good luck with that.
[08:39] <AugustusCaesar24> thank you
[08:47] <juanonymous> greets, how do i free disk space in ubuntu 18.04 xenial? i tried sudo apt autoremove
[08:47] <juanonymous> but when i df -h still the same amount of used space
[08:48] <juanonymous> i did this first btw sudo apt  purge --auto-remove squid
[09:03] <kaleidekopy> hi can i ask a question here about getting my encrypted /boot working with grub2 and initramfs?
[09:04] <kaleidekopy> i've installed several FDE systems before, in gentoo, and also in linux mint, but I'd like to try it in ubuntu, and I can't seem to get it to work properly with grub or initramfs somehow..
[09:05] <kaleidekopy> i'm currently following https://cryptsetup-team.pages.debian.net/cryptsetup/encrypted-boot.html and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[09:05] <kaleidekopy> but when i reboot the system, it goes to the grub> menu and does not boot
[09:06] <kaleidekopy> when i run "insmod cryptodisk" it says "error: file `/grub/x86_64-efi/cryptodisk.mod` was not found
[09:07] <kaleidekopy> is this the right channel to discuss this, or could someone point me to a better one?
[09:09] <isomari> greetings, is there a way to encrypt specific folders after installation without reinstallation?
[09:11] <ducasse> isomari: you can use ecryptfs
[09:14] <q9> How do I remove the coverimage from 1000 ogg-files? eyed3 seems to work only on mp3
[09:14] <EriC^^> isomari: ecryptfs
[09:14] <isomari> thanks
[09:23] <isomari> an a drive with ecryptfs folders be cloned with a mass drive duplicator? i need to clone an installation to many systems using a dick duplicator.
[09:23] <isomari> s/dick/disk
[09:23] <isomari> bad typo :-)
[09:27] <kaleidekopy> @q9 remove or change?
[09:28] <kaleidekopy> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/84915/add-album-art-cover-to-mp3-ogg-file-from-command-line-in-batch-mode  or  https://superuser.com/questions/169151/embed-album-art-in-ogg-through-command-line-in-linux
[09:42] <q9> kaleidekopy: drastically reduce in size. In some files there is more cover art than music. T
[09:42] <q9> Thanks for links, looks complicated
[10:08] <juanonymous> greets, how do i clean up /dev/sda1 if it is listed 100% full?
[10:10] <sixwheeledbeast> I'd probably start by removing any old or temp files you don't need, to give you a little room to breathe
[10:11] <sixwheeledbeast> any trash , old kernels, temp dir
[10:13] <sixwheeledbeast> assuming everything is sda1
[10:16] <EriC^^> juanonymous: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[10:16] <EriC^^> juanonymous: can you pastebin 'df -h' ?
[10:18] <juanonymous> is it ok, to paste irccloud's default pastebin here? i am on a mobile phone right now, i can only paste from my irccloud default paste
[10:20] <juanonymous> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DileleUn/Screenshot_2019-12-30-18-20-16-85.png
[10:21] <juanonymous> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fUI0zE79/Screenshot_2019-12-30-18-21-30-53.png
[10:23] <EriC^^> juanonymous: ok, try running first 'sudo apt-get clean'
[10:23] <EriC^^> juanonymous: then "sudo apt-get autoremove --purge"
[10:24] <EriC^^> juanonymous: then type "sudo du -sxh /* | sort -h" and paste output
[10:25] <juanonymous> ok
[10:25] <juanonymous> what's the last part?
[10:26] <juanonymous> sudo du -sxh /* | sort -h
[10:26] <EriC^^> that shows the space in the dirs and sorts them
[10:27] <EriC^^> (sorts the results)
[10:31] <juanonymous> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WJsagzqL/Screenshot_2019-12-30-18-32-01-92.png
[11:09] <EriC^^> juanonymous: it looks good, seems like most of the space is being used by /home
[11:41] <nlyx> hey fellas
[11:41] <nlyx> so essentially I want to dualboot ubuntu with my existing windows installation
[11:41] <nlyx> and the thing I want to avoid is windows messing with the linux partition
[11:43] <nlyx> I've read plenty of articles about windows update rendering the linux os unusable, so what can I do to prevent that (aside from backing up the linux partition and turning off windows updates)?
[12:03] <courrier> Hey guys! What are the benefits of making a live usb with persistence over just installing Ubuntu on the usb drive directly?
[12:07] <grammoboy> can someone help me with md5?
[12:07] <grammoboy> $ md5sum twrp-3.3.1-0-mako.img
 8b0cb169a1db0b9a43fcedf1ba84faa2  twrp-3.3.1-0-mako.img
[12:08] <grammoboy> md5sum twrp-3.3.1-0-mako.img.md5 c0b980e369eb27af79e9f99661648391  twrp-3.3.1-0-mako.img.md5
[12:08] <grammoboy> https://dl.twrp.me/mako/twrp-3.3.1-0-mako.img.html
[12:08] <nlyx> courrier: a more responsive os I guess, USB flash drives aren't really designed for an OS
[12:41] <osse> grammoboy: use md5sum -C twrp-3.3.1-0-mako.img.md5
[12:41] <osse> I mean -c
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:12] <ws2k3> should i be able to install plasma-pa on ubuntu 18.04 ?
[13:13] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: Are you talking about the audio volume control applet?
[13:14] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma:  yes
[13:15] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma:   plasma-pa : Depends: pulseaudio-module-gconf but it is not going to be installed
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: If you have the KDE Desktop installed, then yes. Otherwise, I believe it has dependencies with the KDE Desktop, which means to install it requires installing the KDE desktop environment with it.
[13:15] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma:  yes i have kde desktop installed
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: So are you running Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[13:16] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma: ubuntu. but i installed kde on it
[13:17] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: Do you have any additional PPAs installed other than the repositories that were included by deafult? Often, a message like that is because of a package conflict due to installing PPAs for other software
[13:17] <ws2k3> nope no additial ppa's
[13:18] <ioria> ws2k3, you might need pulseaudio-module-gconf in -proposed
[13:18] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: How did you install KDE? Did you use the meta package "sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop" ??
[13:20] <ws2k3> yes i ran apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: that package should have installed with the kubuntu-desktop meta package
[13:22] <ws2k3>  pulseaudio-module-gconf : Depends: libpulse0 (= 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4) but 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5 is to be installed
[13:22] <ws2k3>                            Depends: pulseaudio (= 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4)
[13:22] <ws2k3> pulseaudio is already the newest version (1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5).
[13:23] <ioria> ws2k3, you might need pulseaudio-module-gconf in -proposed
[13:23] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: Looks like you have some pending updates... try "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to see if there are any pending updates
[13:23] <ws2k3> ioria: what do you mean with that
[13:23] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma: already did. no pending changes
[13:24] <ioria> ws2k3, you need to enable the -proposed  repository if you want to install  plasma-pa
[13:24] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I'm not sure I understand why you're recommending the -proposed update channel... the package they want should be in the main/update channels
[13:25] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, normally, yes, not in this case
[13:25] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: Could you please exemplify the reasoning?
[13:25] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, there is a mismatching
[13:26] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, if you are on 18.04, just run 'apt -s install  plasma-pa'
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: it's already installed on my machine and I'm fairly certain I have not activated -proposed
[13:27] <ws2k3> then i get  pulseaudio-module-gconf : Depends: libpulse0 (= 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4) but 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5 is to be installed
[13:28] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, i guess you're  on kubuntu then
[13:29] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I installed via mini.iso ... then installed kubuntu-desktop
[13:30] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  can you check your  pulseaudio-module-gconf  version ?
[13:30] <ws2k3> yes that would be nice
[13:31] <ioria> the point is pulseaudio0, btw
[13:31] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: version 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5
[13:31] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  right
[13:32] <ioria> !info pulseaudio-module-gconf bionic
[13:32] <ws2k3> thats odd :P
[13:32] <ioria> pragmaticenigma,  but bionic has 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4
[13:32] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, 7.5 is in proposed
[13:32] <ws2k3> ioria:  pragmaticenigma im on bionic and i dont get 7.4
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> yet I don't have proposed enabled
[13:32] <ioria> !info pulseaudio-module-gconf bionic-proposed
[13:33] <pragmaticenigma> is it possibly in universe or multiverse?
[13:34] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, nope
[13:34] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, apt-cache policy pulseaudio-module-gconf
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3YF9HZkTHk/
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> it's listed as universe
[13:35] <pragmaticenigma> err
[13:36] <pragmaticenigma> I have no idea how it got into my system then
[13:36] <ioria> you have another setup, i think
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> any way to find out?
[13:37] <ioria> ws2k3, to be synthetic wait for updates, or use -proposed
[13:37] <ioria> brb
[13:37] <ws2k3> odd when i run apt-get install apt-get install libpulse0=1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4 it try's to remove kde
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: Question: Is this a brand new installation?
[13:38] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma: no. i think 7 months old
[13:38] <ws2k3> pragmaticenigma: i also had gnome installed
[13:40] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: Personally, I've never had luck with KDE being installed after the fact. I'm not sure how I ended up with the newer version of the package (maybe it was included with mythbuntu's repo.) If this was a brand new install that you did today, I'd recommend starting over and installing KDE from the beginning
[13:41] <pragmaticenigma> ws2k3: Otherwise, it looks like you need to enable the -proposed repo (which I don't personally like) to resolve the package conflict
[13:44] <BluesKaj> the proposed repo/ppa can be dangerous, especially if it isn't removed before the next package upgrade
[13:55] <jackhum> why does my ubuntu shows command not found when i use sudo , and otherwise it works fine
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> jackhum: what is the full command?
[13:58] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma, sudo cargo install somepackagename
[13:59] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma, i installed the package, but when i run it using packagename , then it gives me some permission error , but when i do sudo packagename , it just gives me command not found
[14:00] <pragmaticenigma> jackhum: unfortunately I'm not familiar with "rust" or "cargo"
[14:00] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma, okay thanks for trying, but i think this problem is more because of env and path messing up instead of rust
[14:01] <BluesKaj> jackhum, add your username to the sudo group
[14:04] <jackhum> BluesKaj, but wouldnt it mess with my current state of system , and will be like not good for my system level security
[14:07] <pragmaticenigma> jackhum: I don't believe their is any adverse impact by having your username associated with the sudo group. Unless you made changes to the way sudo works, by default the command sudo requires the user to enter their password prior to any action being executed
[14:07] <BluesKaj> jackhum, if you're already in the sudo group, then some other permissions problem exists, normally your username is added to sudo during installation
[14:08] <leftyfb> jackhum: how did you install cargo? Maybe it's only in your users path
[14:18] <heap_> guys im running two unbutuns inside as vms... one gettin 140/10 mbits other 140/3 ... any idea why 7 mbits are somehwere gettin lost?
[14:19] <nlyx> the installer is asking me if I want to install ubuntu ALONGSIDE windows boot manager, do I say yes to that or do I resize the partitions myself?
[14:19] <heap_> i am not executing speed test in parallel ... just first vm then second
[14:19] <nlyx> (I've also heard that windows doesnt have a bootloader under uefi so im a little confused)
[14:20] <heap_> any idea what issue is with network interface?
[14:20] <heap_> also one ubuntu has eth0 other enp0s3
[14:20] <jackhum> BluesKaj, should i reinstall rust and cargo ?
[14:20] <leftyfb> jackhum: how did you install cargo? Maybe it's only in your users path
[14:21] <MJCD> holla what is the command to get my current ubuntu build number
[14:21] <MJCD> ubuntu specifically
[14:21] <leftyfb> heap_: I would check the virtual network card/drivers you used in the VM guest settings
[14:21] <aivit> i want to stop an app from upgrading to a specific version of it when i do app upgrade
[14:21] <leftyfb> MJCD: cat /etc/issue
[14:21] <aivit> how would i do that?
[14:21] <leftyfb> !pin | aivit
[14:21] <MJCD> leftyfb, perfect - thanks
[14:21] <jackhum> leftyfb, i used curl https://sh.rustup.rs -sSf | sh
[14:21] <MJCD> peace
[14:21] <heap_> leftyfb: what exactly do  you mean
[14:22] <heap_> leftyfb: there were installed somehow by default?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> jackhum, sorry I have no idea
[14:22] <leftyfb> jackhum: then that is why. root doesn't have it in it's path. You'll have to seek support from cargo/rust for that installation.
[14:23] <heap_> leftyfb: how can i cehck it?
[14:23] <leftyfb> heap_: look in the settings for each VM guest. Look at the network settings and compare them
[14:23] <heap_> there is basicaly eth0
[14:23] <jackhum> leftyfb, i think i should reinstall it with sudo ?
[14:23] <leftyfb> heap_: in the VM software you are using. Not in ubuntu
[14:23] <heap_> the settings are almost the same .. .its bhyve
[14:23] <leftyfb> jackhum: sudo apt install cargo
[14:24] <leftyfb> jackhum: after removing the install you did using curl (seek support rom frust/cargo for that)
[14:29] <aivit> if what i want to not upgrade to is 10.4.3 ad it's 'jellyfin/unknown 10.4.3-1 amd64 [upgradable from: 10.4.2-1]" im not exactly sure what to add for "Package: firefox-3.0 Pin: release n=hardy Pin-Priority: -10"
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> aivit: Since jellyfin is not provided in any official Ubuntu repositories, you will have to ask the maintainer of the software/PPA for the package name
[14:34] <aivit> ok
[14:34] <leftyfb> aivit: you can set your PPA to a higher priority
[14:37] <leftyfb> aivit: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/SBNYjSS4cB/
[14:39] <aivit> thanks
[14:39] <jackhum> leftyfb, i think rustup toolchain include cargo already, i dont see any reason why should i use sudo apt install cargo seperately
[14:40] <leftyfb> jackhum: because you are having issues with the manual method and don't know how to fix it?
[14:40] <leftyfb> jackhum: you should install applications from the official ubuntu repositories unless you know what you're doing.
[14:40] <Ether_Man> Heya. So I would like to check out beegfs on 18.04, but it's not something that's available in the regular package repos. Beegfs themselves say that they have packages for it ubuntu but https://www.beegfs.io/release/beegfs_7_1/dists/ does not have any ubuntu dists as possible candidates. Are they expecting us to use the debian packages for ubuntu given their "Debian 8/9 (and Ubuntu)" description of what they have packages for?
[14:40] <leftyfb> jackhum: either way, we cannot support the method you chose
[14:40] <aivit> so get the origin from them, leftyfb ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kCwQkGcnHn/
[14:41] <leftyfb> aivit: put the url for the ppa in there
[14:43] <aivit> which one of these is the spa leftyfb https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y9TSZwdThH/
[14:43] <leftyfb> aivit: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jellyfin.list
[14:44] <courrier> I've made a "casper-rw" ext4 partition sda2 on a liveUSB and an empty sda1 burned a Bionic image with dd, but when I boot on it a blinking cursor appears and never stops, is it a wrong way to create a LiveUSB with dd?
[14:45] <OerHeks> yes, live usb + persistence, use mkusb for that. https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/create-persistent-storage-live-usb-with.html
[14:46] <aivit> including bionic main leftyfb https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/RMXqJyR2mN/ ?
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> Ether_Man: You will have to contact the maintainer of those packages directly. Support is only available here for packages that are provided in the official Ubuntu software repositories.
[14:47] <courrier> What's wrong with dd exactly? Some people burn images with it, is the issue occuring because of the casper partition OerHeks?
[14:47] <pragmaticenigma> courrier: Also, the ubuntu disk images as provided are setup to support both installation from USB and being burned to optical media. Because of this, dd doesn't work well
[14:48] <OerHeks> dd is oke, it just writes a hybrid image, i think that conflicts with that sda2 you created,
[14:49] <OerHeks> do that persistence part with mkusb or manually after writing with dd ( i have no manual to do this manually)
[14:50] <SEOium> selamlar
[14:50] <[Tahini]> is there a way to check logs for CPU spikes? I've been plagued for years by CPU spikes / system freezes, and frankly I've had enough. Most of the times the system becomes unresponsive and I need to restart it, so I cannot check the logs while the spikes happen
[14:50] <courrier> I'll try mksub. I wisehd I could do it with no additional ppa
[14:52] <OerHeks> !journalctl
[14:52] <OerHeks> Tahini perform a memtest86 run, to see if it is just memory
[14:52] <SEOium> how can I install ubuntu on https://www.seoium.com 's server? can you help me?
[14:54] <heap_> hi
[14:54] <heap_> why one of my vm vm has eth0 other has enp0s3? both are ubuntu 18.04
[14:54] <mohnish> In this link, down to "2. Deactivate Xubuntu window manager (may vary depending on the distribution)", what happens if I disable "Immediately" to "Never" in xfwm4?
[14:55] <mohnish> https://linoxide.com/gui/install-i3-window-manager-linux/
[14:55] <mohnish> This is the link: https://linoxide.com/gui/install-i3-window-manager-linux/
[14:56] <OerHeks> heap_, maybe one vm is upgraded from the old situation, without predictable interface naming
[14:56] <OerHeks> or you just forced to use the old naming
[14:56] <OerHeks> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[14:57] <heap_> i didnt force anything
[14:57] <OerHeks> neither did we..
[14:58] <ericus> how do I save my monitor setup? I have to reconfigure it every time my computer goes to sleep/reboot
[15:00] <ericus> https://send.firefox.com/download/d66c998308253a75/#MBkmaTdmJ0DhM9g_7dO0mg
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> mohnish: All that does is turns off the interface features. Meaning you won't see the XFCE taskbar and interface. instead you will work with the i3 system instead
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> mohnish: the instructions are making it so you can easily reverse this decision later, should you decide that i3 window manager isn't worknig for you
[15:06] <courrier> OerHeks: mkusb complains bcause I'm running EFI: dus-persistent 12.3.8 cannot install the package 'grub-pc'
[15:06] <courrier> when running in installed systems in UEFI mode. 'grub-pc' is used to make
[15:06] <courrier> persistent live drives bootable in BIOS mode.
[15:07] <courrier> But I would like to create an EFI Live USB, why isn't it an option?
[15:07] <OerHeks> the ubuntu iso is hybrid, so uefi and legacy boot.
[15:08] <courrier> Should I ignore this error then?
[15:08] <OerHeks> mkusb should be able to do UEFI too
[15:09] <courrier> THer's a upefi option that I checked
[15:21] <ericus> how do I save my monitor setup? I have to reconfigure it every time my computer goes to sleep/reboot
[15:22] <ericus> the order of the monitors and refresh rate
[15:28] <OerHeks> write a xorg config and put it in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ --- https://superuser.com/questions/1245227/how-to-understand-which-xorg-conf-d-is-actually-used-by-the-system
[15:29] <OerHeks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[15:29] <ericus> OerHeks doesnt display settings write that when I hit apply everytime?
[15:30] <OerHeks> the /etc/X11/xorg.conf is not static, iirc
[15:30] <OerHeks> that is why the xorg.conf.d folder is invented
[15:31] <tomreyn> unless you use nvidia-settings or another software which touches it, /etc/X11/xorg.conf should be static IMO
[15:34] <pragmaticenigma> I believe tomreyn is correct. Ubuntu doesn't create the xorg.conf file, therefore, I don't believe it is modified by any of the tools Ubuntu uses to manage Xdisplays. It should be safe to save to /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... though the newer preferred method is to add to the /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ path
[15:57] <tomreyn> my debian (or unix?) schooled expectation would be that /usr is the domain of the OS, where software and OS specific configurations / defaults are deployed. and that you can always configure things in /etc, and in fact you should, since /usr (except for /usr/local) is really the operating systems' domain (read: only packages should write there normally).
[15:58] <tomreyn> i don't know whether Xorg deviates from this now (does it?), AFAIk you still can and actually should configure it in /etc/Xorg
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> According to the documentation here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config ... /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the preferred way for users to continue defining their configurations
[16:01] <ericus> I want it to be static, and behave as if there is three monitors even if only one is powered on
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> ericus: That would depend on your monitors. If they disassociated from the controller when they're powered off, Xserver is going to reconfigure to the remaining displays.
[16:03] <pragmaticenigma> ericus: There is no way around that. In the case you presented, the issue would be users not knowing where an application window went to when a display is no longer attached to the system
[16:04] <ericus> well at least to make the display reappear on the right side when turned on again
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> again, not possible
[16:04] <ericus> So they will always be arranged in the order 1 2 3?
[16:05] <ericus> not 2 1 3 as I would prefer?
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> ericus: I don't know the logic behind how a monitor is assigned its enumeration. Usually it's done based on the enumeration of the ports on the display adapter or the heiarchy of the PCI bus slots.
[16:06] <Bulfrog994> how can I get rid of the annoying middle mouse paste option ?
[16:06] <Bulfrog994> I tried with Gnome tweaks
[16:06] <Bulfrog994> but does someone know how to do it through the terminal ?
[16:11] <mohnish> I followed the steps for Ubuntu in this link: https://linoxide.com/gui/install-i3-window-manager-linux/
[16:11] <mohnish> But, now I want xfce4 back
[16:11] <mohnish> But, xfwm4 and xfdesktop won't show up in sessions and startup
[16:13] <mohnish> even if I select xfce in lightdm while logging it, it opens the panel of xfce and the bottom panel for i3
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> mohnish: open a terminal and enter the commands for xfwm and xfdesktop... then you should be able to get to the settings menu to restore them to "Immediately" in the sessions section
[16:14] <mohnish> okay
[16:15] <pomeha> hello, is there a way to use openssl client to download mitm proxy's cert (I want to install it into trusted ca certs)
[16:15] <pomeha> ?
[16:17] <pomeha> oh, god, the proxy is actually nsproxy, so openssl fails with temporary failure in name resolution :(
[16:28] <mohnish> I'm sorry, what's the command for xfce4?
[16:28] <mohnish> I removed i3 package
[16:29] <mohnish_> sorry, I'm back
[16:30] <mohnish_> so, yeah, all the windows open like they open in I3
[16:30] <mohnish_> I don't know what to do now
[16:30] <mohnish_> Can someone help me?
[16:34] <pragmaticenigma> mohnish_: did you get into the session manager?
[16:34] <mohnish_> yes
[16:34] <mohnish_> it doesn't show anything
[16:34] <mohnish_> totally empty
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> mohnish_: Unfortunately I'm not sure what the next steps would be... You could create a new user account on the machine and then move your stuff over to the new account if it works
[16:37] <mohnish_> oh, okay
[16:37] <mohnish_> I appreciate you helping me, though
[16:55] <pomeha> startxfce4
[16:58] <echosmile> hello. I did a ubuntu instalattion with disk partitions by default with LUKS. Then when using the system I check that to use hibernation I need a swap with 10GB. I'm reinstalling again, but at installation when I choose the option "something else" to define myself how the partitions should be. But I'm blocked, if I define one swap partition by hand
[16:58] <echosmile> and then define one LUKS partition he don't allow me because the swap is outside of luks. How to config a swap with the size I want and using luks as well ?
[17:01] <leftyfb> echosmile: if you're going to keep swap for hibernation outside of your LUKS volume, then don't bother encrypting
[17:02] <echosmile> leftyfb sure, but I don't want outside. My question is how to config luks with a swap with a size set by me
[17:03] <leftyfb> echosmile: create your LUKS volume, then create your partitions on top of that
[17:03] <Nyle> Hello there, good morning
[17:03] <leftyfb> sorry ...  create an LVM volume on top of LUKS, then create partitions in the LVM
[17:03] <echosmile> leftyfb can I do it on ubuntu default installation ?
[17:04] <Nyle> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (fully updated). I just tried to setup DNS based adblocking. `sudo apt install dbab dnsmasq' and I get the following error: failed to create listening socket for port 53: Address already in use
[17:04] <leftyfb> echosmile: Pretty sure you can
[17:04] <echosmile> I mean, default ubuntu GUI
[17:04] <Nyle> It seems like systemd dns service is already running and overtaking the system port of 53
[17:04] <leftyfb> echosmile: that I'm not sure of
[17:04] <Nyle> How can I disable systemd dns resolver and use dnsmasq instead
[17:07] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl disable systemd-resolved
[17:07] <OerHeks> sudo systemctl stop systemd-resolved
[17:07] <OerHeks> https://computingforgeeks.com/install-and-configure-dnsmasq-on-ubuntu-18-04-lts/
[17:07] <Nyle> Ok thanks
[17:07] <Nyle> I tried sysctl
[17:07] <Nyle> hmm. Different command name
[17:07] <OerHeks> easy peasy, what guide did you follow?
[17:14] <Nyle> I didn't
[17:14] <Nyle> Now I disabled systemd resovler and enabled dnsmasq and it is running but I have no resolution
[17:16] <Nyle> I got resolution now back, but no more adblocking.
[17:17] <Nyle> Haha
[17:17] <Nyle> This is a trip
[17:27] <non-sense> anyone have disney+ working on 16.04 firefox 71.0?
[17:28] <non-sense> I can login but when I launch a stream it just hangs.
[17:30] <leftyfb> non-sense: it works fine for me with Firefox 71.0
[17:30] <OerHeks> enable drm thingy on firefox? https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-watch-disney-plus-on-linux-with-firefox
[17:31] <leftyfb> non-sense: it's Ubuntu 18.04, but that shouldn't male a difference
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> Nyle: What you should do is setup resolvd to look at your DNSmasq instance, rather than replacing it. You may need to run dnsmasq on a different port to avoid conflicts
[17:31] <OerHeks> and there are some tips about user strings, not needed AFAIK
[17:31] <OerHeks> pragmaticenigma, he stopped resolvd..
[17:31] <OerHeks> at least, i told him howto
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> OerHeks: there was follow up
[17:32] <OerHeks> .. no more adblocking...
[17:34] <non-sense> leftyfb thanks. I thought it could be the hardware but it doesn't struggle to play 1080 attenborough films.
[17:44] <Nyle> how do I do that?
[17:49] <Nyle> ok
[17:49] <Nyle> now I got dnsmasq to use localhost etc.
[17:49] <Nyle> I still see ads.
[17:50] <non-sense> leftyfb: looks like 16.04 issue.
[17:53] <leftyfb> non-sense: what makes you say that?
[17:54] <jackhum> i am on 16.04 and there is this bug which pushes my all 4 cpu cores to 100% when i open certain apps with firefox , can anyone tell me if they have fixed that issue ? anyone else ever face this /
[17:55] <jackhum> i used top to see what is causing it , and the tool mentions web content several times,
[18:01] <echosmile> is there any manual to install ubuntu with custom partitions with LUKS enabled ?
[18:02] <non-sense> leftyfb: works for you (18.04) and not me (16.04); both using ff 71.0.
[18:03] <leftyfb> non-sense: I doubt it's related to 16.04. Firefox 71 is Firefox 71 No difference
[18:03] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 ..
[18:04] <non-sense> this is a fresh install. maybe I'm missing something else.
[18:04] <echosmile> OerHeks cool I will take a look
[18:05] <echosmile> by the way, is normal "update-grub" taking much time ?
[18:06] <OerHeks> echosmile, it takes *some* time, not like 10 seconds
[18:06] <echosmile> minutes ?
[18:07] <OerHeks> no, 1 or 2 at the most
[18:08] <echosmile> just to inform: I did it inside chroot with a SSD
[18:08] <echosmile> I will wait more minutes to see
[18:09] <gendarme> is there any way to get the ubuntu gnome store to require the password less?
[18:14] <non-sense> leftyfb: what plugins do your ff have besides the openH264?
[18:14] <leftyfb> none, I don't use FF
[18:15] <non-sense>  <leftyfb> non-sense: it works fine for me with Firefox 71.0
[18:22] <resoluti0n> hi, the copy-paste bug in 19.10 is driving me nuts. Apprently, it is cause by the version of mutter. Has someone here found a workaround on this issue?
[18:25] <ioria> resoluti0n, try to log in in the Wayland session
[18:27] <resoluti0n> ioria: wayland is causing me others problem with the softwares I'm using so still prefer use X at the moment.
[18:30] <ioria> resoluti0n, maybe would be enough to c/p copy twice (maybe 3 times)
[18:31] <OerHeks> what copy-paste bug?
[18:31] <ioria> OerHeks, i read about it somewhere and i read the report, but cannot retrieve it atm
[18:32] <resoluti0n> OerHeks: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1188960/copy-and-paste-issue-with-ubuntu-19-10
[18:32] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1852183
[18:33] <ioria> yeah
[18:33] <OerHeks> ..  should be fixed in gtk3 3.24.13 and mutter 3.34.2.
[18:34] <OerHeks> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/simple-copy-and-paste-feature-gone-from-nautilus-in-eoan/12844/5
[18:35] <resoluti0n> Should we wait to get the new versions push into the repo or we should try to update those packages manually?
[18:35] <OerHeks> is this mutter or nautilus, i wonder
[18:36] <OerHeks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter
[18:37] <OerHeks> maybe it is in proposed? i see debian https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/mutter/+changelog
[18:38] <OerHeks> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/919
[18:39] <OerHeks> ugly bug, it does not hit all users..
[18:39] <resoluti0n> it is very annoying to say the least..
[18:40] <resoluti0n> I would gladly pay a beer to any dev to get this fix soon
[18:45] <ioria> resoluti0n, have you tried some alternaticlipboard ?
[18:45] <ioria> *alternative
[18:47] <resoluti0n> nope
[18:48] <resoluti0n> Never have to..any recommendations?
[18:48] <ioria> resoluti0n, https://www.putorius.net/gpaste-best-clipboard-manager-for-gnome.html
[18:49] <OerHeks> what do you use now, clipit?
[18:52] <lovelytingy> i deleted a dir in /usr/lib  python3.8  my some programs not opening
[18:52] <lovelytingy> help me plz
[18:53] <kk4ewt> lovelytingy;  most likely you screwed yourself see if you can reinstall python3
[18:53] <kk4ewt> i suspect that relies on python as well
[18:53] <OerHeks> jups
[18:54] <resoluti0n> ioria: I will try Gpaste later today, Thank you
[18:54] <OerHeks> lovelytingy, keep your issue in #debian please .. you spawn there other info you give us.
[18:55] <lovelytingy> i have ubuntu
[18:55] <lovelytingy> @OerHeks thats why
[18:59] <lovelytingy> is there a why i can unistall all python version and install again
[19:02] <lovelytingy> hlo
[19:03] <lovelytingy> help me man #debian not helping me
[19:06] <tatertots> lovelytingy: "is there a WHY i can?"
[19:06] <f3bruary> hi all. Could someone tell me why my external monitor (LG M227WD) is doing this ? (Sorry for the quality): https://imgur.com/a/9UGEa0u
[19:06] <lovelytingy> @tater
[19:07] <lovelytingy> man help me i messed up with my os ubuntu deleted  a dir of python3.8
[19:10] <Assid> heya
[19:12] <Assid> so im trying to use ED25519 , but my key doesnt work.. if i use RSA 4096 , it wrks fine for SSH auth
[19:15] <tatertots> f3bruary: is it the same when you use a TV or other external display?
[19:29] <f3bruary> tatertots: I don't have another external display to test on unfortunately. But it's hooked up to my laptop where it doesn't happen
[19:30] <echosmile> I follow the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 and works like a charm. Just one question, at boot when system ask me for the password to decrypt, can I change this to be the default ubuntu input graphic layout ?
[20:18] <karnhack> hi, i have installed xubuntu 18.04.3 LTS on T495 netbook
[20:20] <karnhack> There seem to be some problems. lshw: https://www.karnhack.com/public/khk-think.html
[20:21] <pikapika> Whats the best way to backup and restore a system to its exact state?
[20:22] <pikapika> Things are fine now but the laptop is going kinda south so just for staying safe etc
[20:22] <OerHeks> karnhack, for AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 3500U w/ Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx i would suggest install 19.10, with kernel 5.3 and such
[20:23] <CarlenWhite> pikapika, Typically a full disk copy if I recall. Personal preference is Clonezilla.
[20:23] <OerHeks> too new hardware
[20:23] <akemhp> Missing drivers?
[20:23] <ArthurStrong> Hi all. Any success with Ext2fsd under Windows 10? Trying to mount ext3 partition, but Win10 says it can't recognize FS.
[20:23] <pikapika> Well disk copy is kind of an undefined and ambiguous term
[20:23] <pikapika> What does clonezilla actually copy?
[20:23] <pikapika> For example I don't think it makes sense to copy /dev/
[20:24] <CarlenWhite> Oh sorry. It copies partitions or disks.
[20:24] <pikapika> Well it does
[20:24] <tonyyarusso> /dev isn't on the disk.
[20:24] <karnhack> OerHeks: I tried. But it is much worse
[20:24] <pikapika> I see
[20:24] <pikapika> So like is it safe to just copy manually to a tar or something
[20:24] <pikapika> and restore if from a live disk to a new laptop?
[20:25] <pikapika> *it from a
[20:25] <Bashing-om> pikapika: There are so many ways :) Have a look at "debfoster": ' apt show debfoster '.
[20:25] <pikapika> (assuming say an external hdd to store it which I have)
[20:26] <pikapika> Reinstalling packages is the least of my issues
[20:26] <CarlenWhite> I've personally haven't tried tar-balling any of my computers but a sure-fire method to return back from whatever you do to your computer is just clone your disk.
[20:26] <pikapika> Okay but what does clonezilla actually do: a dd copy of the disk?
[20:27] <CarlenWhite> pikapika, It avoids dd if it can. Depending on filesystem, it'll attempt to copy where the data actually lives.
[20:28] <CarlenWhite> dd is used if there's no tool it has to efficiently clone a partition.
[20:28] <CarlenWhite> Derp
[20:28] <CarlenWhite> Filesystem.
[20:28] <CarlenWhite> Or...You get what I'm trying to say.
[20:29] <pikapika> ok
[20:29] <pikapika> So what you are saying is that I install clonezilla to a flashdrive and use it to make a backup onto an external hdd or something?
[20:30] <pikapika> Does the restore only work on the same laptop and configuration or can it be done anywhere else?
[20:30] <CarlenWhite> Pretty much. It can also send it over the network if it's more convenient and you have the network capacity/time to do it.
[20:30] <pikapika> well I do have an ethernet cable and another computer might consider it as an emergency option just in case
[20:31]  * pikapika hugs CarlenWhite
[20:31] <pikapika> Thanks
[20:31] <CarlenWhite> That I can't be certain. It'll let you clone onto any disk that has the space (or if you force it) but it's a matter if the OS will have a fit.
[20:32] <pikapika> My external hdd has more than enough free space
[20:32] <pikapika> the problem however is if clonezilla understands ntfs
[20:32] <CarlenWhite> It does.
[20:32] <pikapika> Good
[20:35] <CarlenWhite> I've used Clonezilla a handful of times and has treated me well when migrating Windows around.
[20:35] <Doc-Saintly> Can anyone suggest the easiest way to make a custom "watchdog" for a process? I'm thinking something like a simple IF check (if X log hasn't been written, if process does not exist, if process is below X cpu) then run this command
[20:38] <karnhack> OerHeks: how do I force the installation of the 5.3 kernel?
[20:39] <tds> Doc-Saintly: systemd has some watchdog support, you make sd_notify calls regularly and it restarts you if you don't
[20:39] <tds> there's some docs at http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/watchdog.html
[20:40] <OerHeks> karnhack, upgrade to 19.10, not sure HWE would bring 5.3
[20:40] <OerHeks> !hwe
[20:40] <OerHeks> but you claim 19.10 is worse.. why?
[20:41] <Doc-Saintly> tds: ok, thanks :)
[20:43] <karnhack> OerHeks: the screen had too high a frequency. Sometimes strange pixels were seen due to refresh errors. Impossible to lower or raise the brightness etc. etc.
[20:43] <ioria> !info linux-virtual-hwe-18.04-edge bionic
[20:44] <OerHeks> that is edge..
[20:44] <OerHeks> better install 19.10 then
[20:44] <OerHeks> or testrun 20.04 beta
[20:44] <ioria> sorry
[20:44] <CarlenWhite> Live on the edge and hope for the best.
[20:44] <ioria> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04-edge bionic
[20:45] <CarlenWhite> Just don't get cut I suppose.
[20:45] <OerHeks> AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 3500U w/ Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx is pretty new..
[20:45] <CarlenWhite> Oh, and hello fellow ThinkPad user who's also having some fun with things being weird.
[20:48] <karnhack> with 19.10 he did not recognize the driver
[20:48] <karnhack> inxi -G
[20:48] <karnhack> Graphics:
[20:48] <karnhack>   Device-1: AMD Picasso driver: N/A
[20:48] <karnhack>   Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.5 driver: ati,fbdev
[20:48] <karnhack>   unloaded: modesetting,radeon,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~77Hz
[20:48] <karnhack>   OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 9.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 19.2.1
[20:49] <OerHeks> !paste
[20:49] <karnhack> https://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=637267&p=5169721#p5169721
[20:50] <SenfMeister> Hi.
[20:50] <SenfMeister> how do I figure out why boot is slow.
[20:51] <micronetic_> @karnhack i think i watched a video on youtube, the guy had some problems with the Vega chip, i think it was Chris Titus Tech
[20:51] <SenfMeister> I ran dmesg and can see a 30 sec gab here, and 20 sec there. it's takes 100 seconds to bood on a AMD 3400U on an allmost basic ubuntu.. but with Docker installed.. so my thought is with docked
[20:53] <karnhack> Ok, thanks. I will try to reinstall 19.10.
[20:54] <micronetic_> I don't thik you have to re-install it
[20:54] <Bashing-om> SenfMeister: Beter info: ' systemd-analyze blame '.
[20:55] <micronetic_> what if you uninstall and clean your system from all the graphic drivers and install them again?
[20:55] <SenfMeister> Bashing-om: That don't give me much useful :(
[20:55] <CarlenWhite> Bashing-om, I was going to suggest journalctl -b but that's much more useful.
[20:55] <CarlenWhite> Oh
[20:56] <SenfMeister> 20.825s plymouth-quit-wait.service    3.009s apt-daily-upgrade.service   2.098s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[20:56] <Bashing-om> CarlenWhite: Yup - useful also :)
[20:57] <SenfMeister> but I can see it jumps from 9 secs to 39 to 41, to 44 to 78 to 89 to 99
[20:57] <SenfMeister> where it performes maybe a few lines and then waits
[21:04]  * CarlenWhite also learns of some other systemd tools. Like systemd-analyze plot that'll generate a SVG instead.
[21:18] <oldominion> stupid question but isn't it possible to theme hexchat in ubuntu? installed the flatpak, put the theme files in .config/hexchat but nothing happens
[21:20] <OerHeks> oldominion, right, browse to ~/snap/hexchat, does it give the config folder too?
[21:20] <OerHeks> to keep snaps in confinement, this has changed IIRC
[21:21] <oldominion> it is not a snap so it isn't there
[21:21] <OerHeks> oops, flatpack..
[21:22] <OerHeks> maybe it is the same solution, no idea with those
[21:22] <OerHeks> snaps have the -classic option, to override this limit.
[21:23] <bprompt> oldominion:   according to https://hexchat.readthedocs.io/en/latest/appearance.html you unzip the .hct theme files to the ~/.config/hexchat folder <--- as opposed to simply dumping the .hct files in the hexchat folder
[21:23] <oldominion> usually it should work with the .config/hexchat i mean it is there but hexchat just doesn't change, maybe they did it a little bit different with flatpak
[21:23] <leftyfb> oldominion: we cannot support applications installed with flatpack here
[21:23] <oldominion> that is what i did @bprompt
[21:23] <bprompt> oldominion:  also, should be done with hexchat closed
[21:23] <OerHeks> bprompt, that would be true for apt, maybe that flatpak is in confinement too
[21:23] <oldominion> yeah i will try it as a snap now
[21:24] <oldominion> so brb ;)
[21:24] <leftyfb> oldominion: the .deb version in ubuntu 18.04 is 2.14.1. The snap is 2.14.2. You a better off installing the .deb version
[21:38] <oldominion> okay just tried the snap of hexchat, didn't work with the themes but there was a 3rd package in the software manager and with this one it worked, weird
[21:39] <leftyfb> oldominion: the .deb version in ubuntu 18.04 is 2.14.1. The snap is 2.14.2. You a better off installing the .deb version
[21:41] <oldominion> the one i installed now which works has the source as "ubuntu-eoan-universe"
[21:41] <oldominion> i am on 19.10 ubuntu right now
[22:25] <Casper26> Anyone have any suggestions on how to connect to a samba server with NT1 disabled from nautilus on ubuntu 16.04
[23:01] <cschneid> Trying to install a desktop ubuntu for the first time in a long while. Weird error, boots, and gives me the UI login screen, but when I type my correct password, it dumps me back to the 'pick a user' screen, instead of logging me in.
[23:01] <cschneid> How do I figure out what's going on there?
[23:02] <cschneid> an incorrect password correctly prompts to that fact and lets me try again
[23:05] <cschneid> trying a reinstall without the 3rd party drivers, maybe nvidia didn't install smoothly?
[23:05] <Bashing-om> cschneid: Graphic's issue ? try with the "nomodeset" boot parameter and advise results.
[23:05] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | cschneid
[23:06] <cschneid> the display initializes ok it seems, shows me the UI login prompt. Would it crash after?
[23:07] <Bashing-om> cschneid: I have seen cases of such, yes. Though that is not definitive.
[23:08] <cschneid> Ok, and getting into grub looks like 'hold shift'?
[23:09] <Bashing-om> cschneid: IF efi system - it is the escape key that grub looks for - spamm it as soon as the firm ware screen clears.
[23:11] <oldominion> hey guys, are you using the regular terminal in ubuntu or is there one which is better/looks better?
[23:11] <bobdobbs> oldominion: depending on which desktop environment you are using, you should be able to customize your terminal emulator
[23:14] <OerHeks> ton of options in settings, fancy theme, opacity
[23:15] <oldominion> i am using Gnome on ubuntu 19.10 (just switched to Linux a few days ago and love it) and have seen some nice looking transparent blurry terminal screenshots
[23:15] <oldominion> the regular terminal only lets me change the opacity
[23:15] <oldominion> not the blurriness
[23:15] <cschneid> reinstalled w/o the 3rd party drivers, and loaded fine. So probably something w/ nvidia driver there.
[23:16] <oldominion> whe i installed ubuntu i had some problems with the 435 driver, changed to 430 driver and everything is fine
[23:16] <oldominion> when*
[23:16] <oldominion> for nvidia
[23:17] <Bashing-om> cschneid: Now we can try and install the proprietary driver, if you feelthe need. "nomodeset" should no longer be needed. show ' cat /proc/cmdline' .
[23:18] <oldominion> @Bashing-om now that you say it, I had to "nomodeset" to install ubuntu, what does it actually do, does it only turn off the graphic drivers at boot?
[23:19] <Bashing-om> oldominion: Much much more;as Kernel Mode Setting is disabled !
[23:20] <oldominion> so do i have to enable it again? I see no errors or so atm
[23:20] <oldominion> and everything is working fine
[23:21] <Bashing-om> oldominion: Well, depends a lot on the hardware - ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) is also affected.
[23:24] <Bashing-om> oldominion: FYI I too some time back had to run with nomeset - as there was no driver for that then new nvidia card. No issues seen then either :)
[23:24] <cschneid> and then install nvidia drivers and it's stable and fine. Weird!
[23:24] <cschneid> Thank you for the help Bashing-om
[23:24] <Bashing-om> nomodeset*
[23:24] <oldominion> it was only for the installation because it looked like this: https://i.imgur.com/f4k3cpS.jpg
[23:25] <Bashing-om> cschneid: :D Help is what we do ... are you out of the woods now ?
[23:25] <zibymy> hey! been googleing for a while witout finding a solution
[23:25] <oldominion> AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (12) @ 3.400GH - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 is the hardware.
[23:26] <oldominion> and with nomodeset everything went fine
[23:26] <aivit> am i not doing this right?
[23:26] <aivit> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y5jFZj2zx8/
[23:26] <zibymy> I got a litle java server running, running on a ubuntu server (on a rp3). Is there a way for me to attach to the running server, so that I can query it etc via ssh?
[23:26] <cschneid> Bashing-om: yep, at the desktop. I have a fair bit of ubuntu on a server experience, but haven't done a desktop linux in a long time.
[23:26] <cschneid> So as soon as I get SSH setup to allow me to fix issues from the outside, I should be all good :)
[23:27] <Bashing-om> oldominion: Yup - graphic's driver. Though I can now install a nvidia driver, I run just fine with the open source "nouveau" driver.
[23:28] <Bashing-om> cschneid: :D Fine one that you are. Hang in here and share your skills :)
[23:59] <cschneid> What's the best approach to remote xwindows / other graphical remoteness from a Mac -> Ubuntu? I imagine I can do most of what I want in the shell, but moving this server off to be headless
[23:59] <cschneid> want some sort of remote gui option I think