[12:27] <bac> hey rick_h_
[12:28] <rick_h_> bac: morning
[12:29] <bac> rick_h_: so, it turns out mjc still had a cronjob to do queueing.  that should've been removed in a version of the charm a few back.
[12:29] <bac> rick_h_: once it was turned off manually everything is normal
[12:29] <bac> rick_h_: so, i have some charm oddities to investigate.  1) why didn't the config file get written properly and 2) why wasn't the new cron entry written?
[12:34] <rick_h_> bac: hmm, could it be like a migration story?
[12:35] <rick_h_> when the charm upgrades it needs to go back and remove the old files it no longer needs
[12:35] <rick_h_> like dropping tables in a db no longer used
[12:35] <rick_h_> staging gets 'rebuilt' more often, though not recently. It does get manually touched and farther from the base charm path I'd guess.
[12:42] <bac> rick_h_: the hooks in the charm should handle re-writing those files.
[12:43] <bac> rick_h_: the only thing i can think of is that I.S. has made some modifications since they muck with the charm before deploying.
[12:43] <bac> rick_h_: another reason we need a prodstack-based staging server...
[12:43] <rick_h_> bac: right, but if we drop a file in /etc/cron.d we have to manually remove it on upgrade right?
[12:43] <rick_h_> the charm doesn't follow old written files to clean up
[12:44] <bac> rick_h_: there is a template for creating that file.  it should get re-written based on the changed template
[12:44] <rick_h_> ok, so it was not 100% removed from existance then?
[12:44] <bac> rick_h_: no, just one entry was to be removed and another added
[12:44] <rick_h_> gotcha
[12:44] <bac> rick_h_: but the version of cron.d/charmworld on prod was the old one
[12:45] <bac> rick_h_: makes me suspect their novel version has changed something
[12:45] <bac> perhaps they maintain a modified version of the template
[12:45] <rick_h_> layers of invisible bug points wheeee
[12:49] <bac> data centre nightmare: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25873252
[12:49] <bac> add that to your contingency plans
[13:25] <hatch> morning all
[13:25] <gary_poster> hiya
[13:34] <hatch> lastnight I set my laptop up on my monitor finally....wow my monitor resolution sucks compared to the retina screen lol
[13:34] <hatch> I need rick_h_ 's 4k
[13:34]  * frankban lunches
[13:35] <rick_h_> hatch: :P
[13:35] <hatch> as long as I place my monitor far enough away it's ok
[13:35] <hatch> so that's cheaper I suppose
[13:35] <hatch> lol
[13:37] <gary_poster> I want the 4k too.  Kinda tempted to see what Apple comes out with for that though
[13:38] <rick_h_> yea, why I got this ultrasharp. the dell US and apple displays generally share the same panels
[13:38] <rick_h_> though I'm sure the apply will be nice with lightning connectors/etc
[13:38] <rick_h_> while I got usb3
[13:39] <hatch> I noticed that the laptop screen has horrible glare while my monitor has a matte finish
[13:39] <rick_h_> matte or bust!
[13:39] <hatch> yeah, not sure I'd enjoy a 30" glossy screen
[13:39] <hatch> unless they have better glare reduction than the laptop screen
[13:40] <rick_h_> some of it's the size I bet as well. lot more surface to catch it
[13:40] <hatch> yeah, and the window and lights are behind me so that just compounds it
[13:40] <hatch> buuuut sitll, matte doesn't have the issue :P
[13:41] <hatch> is the 4k matte?
[13:41] <rick_h_> yea, I only do matte
[13:41] <gary_poster> heh
[13:41] <rick_h_> I got one glossy and it's been in my closet for a long time
[13:41] <rick_h_> should sell it
[13:41] <hatch> does it have a 'sparkle' look to it?
[13:41] <hatch> on a white screen I can see these little sparkles in the monitor
[13:42] <rick_h_> not sure
[13:42] <hatch> the internet claims it's from the matte coating
[14:12] <hatch> frankban any questions re the putcharm stuff?
[14:43] <frankban> hatch: hey, so what's the target URL? https://{state-server-address}/charms/? what port?
[14:44] <hatch> dimitern are you around?
[14:45] <hatch> frankban dimitern wrote the juju-core implementation. so he would know best. From the docs I would assume the state server address on 17070
[14:45] <hatch> in the email I sent it had the structure of the url
[14:46] <frankban> hatch: cool, so 1111 is just something you use for debugging, right?
[14:47] <hatch> frankban yes sorry, that's just the port I use for my tunnel
[14:48] <frankban> hatch: ok thank you. starting the branch now, will ping you later for any questions
[14:48] <marcoceppi> rick_h_ or bac are either of you guys running trusty?
[14:49] <bac> marcoceppi: i have a trusty vm but had to stop using it temporarily. can fire it up if needed.
[14:49] <bac> marcoceppi: but in general i'm running saucy
[14:49] <hatch> frankban thanks!
[14:49] <marcoceppi> bac: no, that's fine. there's a dep for amulet that's not building on trusty but builds on all other series
[14:50] <marcoceppi> wanted to know how to prioritize it for today's test writing sprint
[14:50] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 10
[14:50] <gary_poster> wait no
[14:50] <hatch> I was wondering :D
[14:50] <gary_poster> what is the calendar reminding me of now :-P
[14:50] <bac> timewarp
[14:50] <gary_poster> ah, um.  charm testing writing sprint in 9 :-P
[14:53] <rick_h_> benji: got a sec?
[14:54] <benji> rick_h_: sure, want to coopt the dialy meeting hangout?
[14:54] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: I'm on trusty
[14:54] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: what dep, I can peek at it?
[14:54] <hatch> ugh native events are so clunky
[14:54] <rick_h_> benji: here please https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/72cpjkbrct4593pml722lph0vo?authuser=1&hl=en
[14:54] <hatch> I'm spoiled by YUI's event system
[14:54] <rick_h_> hatch: +1
[14:54] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: sure, I jsut asked for another build but it's charmworldlib
[14:55] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: when/if it errors out in the next few mins I'll send it your way
[14:55] <marcoceppi> it was saying it couuldn't download setuptools.py from the internet
[14:56] <frankban> hatch: is putCharm already implemented in core trunk?
[14:56] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: k
[14:58] <hatch> frankban in trunk yes,
[14:58] <hatch> you'll have to build it
[14:58] <frankban> hatch: ack
[14:59] <hatch> frankban http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~go-bot/juju-core/trunk/revision/2155 the merge
[15:02] <frankban> hatch: cool thanks
[15:09] <dimitern> hatch, frankban , sorry, i'm here now
[15:11] <frankban> hatch: what's the best way in git to get your GUI branch locally? git remote add jeff .. + git checkout -b something + ??
[15:11] <frankban> dimitern: hey, so the URL for putCharm is https://{state-server}:17070/charms/, correct?
[15:12] <dimitern> frankban, yes
[15:12] <frankban> dimitern: cool thanks
[15:13] <dimitern> fwereade, it's actually https://{apiserver:ip}/charms?url={series}
[15:13] <dimitern> frankban, sorry, ?series={series}
[15:14] <frankban> dimitern: ack
[15:18] <hatch> frankban sorry I missed the ding
[15:18] <hatch> one sec I'll paste the git commands
[15:18] <frankban> hatch: cool thanks
[15:21] <hatch> git checkout -b hatch-local-zip-upload develop && git pull git@github.com:hatched/juju-gui.git local-zip-upload
[15:22] <hatch> ^ frankban  I'm pretty sure that's the right command
[15:23] <frankban> hatch: what about the following:
[15:23] <frankban> $ git remote add hatch git@github.com:hatched/juju-gui.git
[15:23] <frankban> $ git fetch hatch
[15:23] <frankban> $ git checkout -b local-zip-upload hatch/local-zip-upload
[15:24] <hatch> yeah I think that'll also work
[15:24] <frankban> yeah, and "git fetch hatch" is cool
[15:24] <frankban> ;-)
[15:24] <hatch> lol
[15:24] <hatch> agreed
[15:26] <frankban> hatch: it worked. so, does your branch work in theory? e.g. I can zip a charm and drop it to the canvas, correct?
[15:27] <hatch> frankban you bet, it should even console.log the progress, error, and loaded events
[15:29] <frankban> hatch: cool. now in theory, when in the future I want to test/review one of your branches, I suppose all I have to do is " git fetch hatch" and git checkout ..., correct?
[15:29] <rick_h_> frankban: yes, you've not setup a new remote that allows you to see what he's got up on github
[15:30] <frankban> rick_h_: and fetch will always update that remote to what's present in github
[15:30] <rick_h_> frankban: yes
[15:30] <rick_h_> frankban: and a normal git fetch should check all remotes
[15:31] <rick_h_> makefile experts, can I change a variable from within a target block somehow?
[15:31] <frankban> rick_h_: makes sense, and what's the difference between pull and fetch? pull is for just one branch?
[15:31] <rick_h_> benji: gary_poster ^
[15:32] <hatch> frankban pull merges
[15:32] <rick_h_> frankban: fetch will not pull down any source/code/etc. It's just a fetch of 'metadata' as I understand it
[15:32] <hatch> fetch just pulls it down
[15:32] <hatch> the metadata
[15:32] <benji> rick_h_: environment variable or make variable?
[15:32] <hatch> yeah
[15:32] <hatch> :)
[15:32] <rick_h_> benji: makefile variable
[15:32] <frankban> cool thanks
[15:33] <benji> rick_h_: is the value static or does it change (like in a loop)?
[15:33] <hatch> frankban here is a very simple comparison http://stackoverflow.com/a/292359
[15:34] <rick_h_> benji: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6808881/
[15:34] <frankban> hatch: ic
[15:35] <rick_h_> benji: the nose path can be in one of two places. If it's missing we pip install it and I want to run that check again and update it
[15:36] <benji> rick_h_: I would probably just re-run the make file (i.e., have make run make)
[15:36] <rick_h_> ooh, it can do that? /me never thought to try that
[15:37] <rick_h_> so at the end of $(NOSE): $(PY) block just run make test?
[15:37]  * rick_h_ is confused how this would work
[15:39] <rick_h_> ok, so it both works and then doesn't because after it re-runs itself and runs the tests, it goes back to the original test target and runs it with the bad path value
[15:39] <benji> oh, you want to depend on nose in order to run test...
[15:39] <rick_h_> I guess I should just evaluate it in the test block itself
[15:39] <rick_h_> benji: right
[15:40]  * rick_h_ looks if I can create a 'locate_nose' function in the makefile and just use that vs $(NOSE)
[15:40] <benji> that might be an option
[15:40] <hatch> there was a windchill warning in Orlando yesterday....it was +9C lol
[15:41] <benji> doing it recusively shouldn't be too bad, you can have a test target that depends on nose like you have now, then have the body of that test target be just "make post-nose-test" which has no prereqs but has the body of your current test target
[15:41] <rick_h_> benji: ah, gotcha
[15:41] <rick_h_> good call
[15:45] <benji> hatch: I was a little surprised it was so cold here this morning, I had to go to my dad's office to fax something early and it was -18C.
[15:45] <hatch> really? wow I had no idea it got that cold there
[15:45] <rick_h_> polar vortex of doom!
[15:45] <rick_h_> canada, quit sending us your cold air
[15:45] <benji> it doesn't very often :)
[15:46] <rick_h_> benji: bingo, this works nicely. Thanks
[15:46] <benji> I just wish we would get 20 inches of snow to go with it.
[15:46] <hatch> rick_h_ lol, "polar vortex of common place but sensationalized by media"
[15:46] <benji> rick_h_: cool
[15:46] <rick_h_> hatch: no, it's darn colder than the past few winters here
[15:46] <hatch> rick_h_ right, but a polar vortex is not anything special
[15:47] <hatch> every planet has 2 of them and they change in size throughout the year
[15:47] <rick_h_> we get some 0F stuff. but not every day for weeks
[15:47]  * rick_h_ misses 20F and sunny with some snow on the ground
[15:47] <hatch> this year has had low pressures below the polar region so it allowed the north polar vortex to influence the lower weather patterns
[15:47] <rick_h_> when his nose hairs didn't freeze getting the mail
[15:50] <gary_poster> ooh ooh!
[15:50] <gary_poster> jujugui, call in ten *now*
[15:52] <hatch> lol
[15:53] <hatch> TIL: XMLHttpRequests do not throw errors for anything above a total network failure :/
[15:53] <rick_h_> hatch: no, you have to watch them
[15:53] <hatch> if (status > 400 && status < 500) { throw!!!!! }
[15:53] <hatch> such lamesauces
[15:54] <hatch> erll
[15:54] <hatch> well
[15:54] <hatch> if (status > 399 && status < 500) { throw!!!!! }
[15:54] <rick_h_> if status doens't start with 20 throw
[15:54] <rick_h_> heh
[15:55] <hatch> their events are so weird
[15:55] <hatch> the 'load' event handles everything besides 'progress'
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[16:05] <mhall119> hi everyone, I need help from somebody who's dealt with webops, I have a django charm that keeps running into problems when I deploy updates
[16:12] <rick_h_> mhall119: howdy, we're on a team call atm, but happy to see if we can help
[16:15] <mhall119> thanks rick_h_
[16:18] <hatch> frankban I used `go get` to pull down trunk so I have no idea what revno. Does bzr store the revno in the .bzr folder somewhere?
[16:18] <frankban> hatch: run "bzr revno" in the branch
[16:19] <hatch> *facepalm* 2247
[16:19] <frankban> cool, mine is 2253
[16:20] <hatch> you were saying that you were having issues with it?
[16:20] <frankban> hatch: yes
[16:21] <hatch> hmm, it's working for me, do you have the charm pushed up somewhere?
[16:21] <hatch> I can test it here
[16:21] <hatch> if you like
[16:21] <frankban> hatch: I was having issues to deploy the charm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6808945/
[16:21] <frankban> hatch: I'll try reverting to your revno
[16:22] <hatch> permission denied...that's odd,
[16:22] <hatch> ohh they are working on removing sudo
[16:22] <hatch> maybe it's broken
[16:52] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: buildlog for charmworldlib on trusty https://launchpadlibrarian.net/163611830/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.charmworldlib_0.2.2-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.04.1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:53] <marcoceppi> seems to build fine on all the other series
[16:53] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: k, will look in a bit
[17:01] <hatch> frankban were you able to get the charm to deploy? (not sure if you were doing it on the call or not)
[17:02] <frankban> hatch: yes, it seems to work well now
[17:03] <frankban> hatch: the path will be /juju-core/charms/?series=xxx . the idea is to expose a /juju-charm/ namespace which proxies all requests (GET, POST) to and from core
[17:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: going into delete the trunk series gives me a lot of scary looking warnings. In particular The associated branch will be unlinked: lp:juju-gui
[17:04] <gary_poster> rick_h_: uh. :-)
[17:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: can you +1 that it's just scary and press the button?
[17:04] <gary_poster> heh ok, will go look
[17:04] <rick_h_> gary_poster: thanks
[17:06] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: do the builders not have external network access then? It can't download setuptools?
[17:06] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: do you have a successful log for me to compare against?
[17:06] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: why would it fail for trusty and not others
[17:06] <hatch> frankban yeah that's what I was thinking too, so do you mean that it will expose a /juju-core/ namespace?
[17:07] <hatch> rick_h_ downside to deleting it is that we loose all that history and what-not
[17:07] <hatch> do we need to delete it? :)
[17:07] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yea that's why I want to compare
[17:07] <hatch> maybe if it's scary we just leave it hah
[17:07] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, I'm wondering as well. I guess it's just confusing for others
[17:07] <rick_h_> but we know enough
[17:07] <rick_h_> so meh
[17:08] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: I want to see if the others downloaded setuptools or if it was something already available to that build.
[17:08] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/163199754/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-i386.charmworldlib_0.2.2-0ubuntu2~ubuntu13.10.1~ppa1_UPLOADING.txt.gz looks like it's not trying to download. Maybe what comes in trusty py3 vs saucy differs and doesn't include
[17:08] <frankban> hatch: basically https://{guiaddress}/juju-core/* --> https://{api-address}:17070/*
[17:08] <hatch> frankban right ok cool that's exactly what I was thinking
[17:09] <gary_poster> rick_h_: six deletion attempts, six timeout errors.  how about I rename "trunk" series to "experimental"?
[17:09] <rick_h_> gary_poster: works for me
[17:10] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I see python3-setuptools in saucy but not in trusty
[17:10]  * marcoceppi looks at pkg
[17:11] <gary_poster> rick_h_: https://launchpad.net/juju-gui/experimental , marked obsolete
[17:11] <rick_h_> gary_poster: hah, I went to hit submit and got "lost something?"
[17:11] <rick_h_> gary_poster: thanks
[17:11] <gary_poster> welcome, sorry for confusion
[17:12] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: hmm, it exists. http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/python3-setuptools
[17:12] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: I don't think python3-all pulls it down
[17:12] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: all ok
[17:12] <marcoceppi> I dont' explicitly require python3-setuptools
[17:12]  * marcoceppi fixes
[17:13] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: so that looks like the failure though. It tries to download it and can't from the builder
[17:14] <marcoceppi> ta
[17:18] <rick_h_> jujugui really cool article with some handy 'say you want to do xx' git commands/notes. http://pypix.com/tools-and-tips/pro-git-workflow/
[17:18] <hatch> it's missing the "say you want to smash it to itty bitty pieces"
[17:19] <rick_h_> I like the standup one
[17:19] <rick_h_> "wtf did I do? Hmm, git standup"
[17:22] <frankban> hatch: localCharmHelpers is undefined in services.js
[17:23] <hatch> frankban run in devel/debug mode
[17:23] <hatch> that branch doesn't have it included in prod (sorry)
[17:23] <frankban> hatch: ok
[17:31] <rick_h_> hatch: here you go
[17:31] <rick_h_> * wind chill values will fall to between 15 and 25 degrees
[17:31] <rick_h_>    below zero this morning. The wind chill readings will remain
[17:31] <rick_h_>    around 15 degrees below zero during the afternoon.
[17:31] <rick_h_> * Southwest winds will increase to 20 to 30 mph this
[17:31] <rick_h_>    afternoon... gusting at times to 35 to 40 mph.
[17:32] <rick_h_> there's our wind chill warning that I just got
[17:32] <hatch> that's quite the warning
[17:32] <hatch> ours is Temperature -10C, Windchill -30C
[17:32] <hatch> you get a lot more information haha
[17:34] <mhall119> rick_h_: do you have time now to help?
[17:35] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-api-website is the project, you'll see one branch for the app itself and another for the charm
[17:35] <mhall119> the charm works fine in LXC, but in stagingstack it keeps getting db credentials for a user that can't read or write anything to the db
[17:36] <mhall119> even after webops manually adds permissions/roles, on the next deployment they're erased again
[17:36] <rick_h_> mhall119: what db is it talking to?
[17:37] <mhall119> I just added the grant_perms.py script that is called before doing any DB managment by the charm, but even that can't connect to the DB and set the permissions for the role
[17:37] <mhall119> rick_h_: postgresql
[17:37] <mhall119> using pg_bouncer in prodstack, but not stagingstack (unless they've added it now
[17:37] <mhall119> )
[17:37] <rick_h_> so the db hook is sending bad data to the charm? Does the user/pass it sends exist?
[17:38] <mhall119> yes, and it can *connect*, it just has no permissions to do anything
[17:39] <rick_h_> mhall119: hmm, I've not used the postgres charm so not sure how it creates the users and such. I'd ping someone that's hacked on that. Or find another charm that uses it and compare the db hooks between your app and their to see if it requests/passes anything extra?
[17:40] <mhall119> rick_h_: I've forked the certification website charm to make mine, it uses the same db hooks
[17:40] <rick_h_> mhall119: maybe ping stub and see if he's run into it before. I know he's worked on the pgsql charm some
[17:41] <mhall119> already did, he suggested I add the grant_perms.py from certification charm but that fails because of lack of permissions too
[17:42] <rick_h_> huh, yea it seems to me you'd have to get a user account that can do something
[17:43] <mhall119> stub says postgres sets up a role for the user, and it's my charm's job to grant perms to the role (which is what grant_perms.py does), but the user it's given doesn't have permission to grant permissions to the role that was created
[17:43] <rick_h_> mhall119: heh, chicken meet egg
[17:44] <rick_h_> mhall119: looked at using the db-admin relation to get a user with super access to create the user for you?
[17:45] <rick_h_> mhall119: looking at https://jujucharms.com/precise/postgresql-59/#bws-readme there's notes about using db-admin to get a superuser and that user should then have access to grant/do things to create an app user to the database created for use?
[17:47] <rick_h_> mhall119: given nothing there says why it works locally but not in the stagestack
[17:52] <mhall119> huh, I didn't know there was a separate user account created by postgresql
[17:53] <mhall119> oh wait, does it depend on the relation type added?
[17:55] <mhall119> so, rick_h_, they have 2 instances of my site, one has an added ADMIN_MODE flag set that tells it to run syncdb and migrate and some other db-management stuff, should that node have been given the postgresql:db-admin relation instead of postgresql:db relation?
[17:56] <rick_h_> mhall119: looking at https://github.com/charms/postgresql/blob/master/hooks/hooks.py#L1110 the roles is pulled from the relation_get('roles'). What does the db-relation-joined hook symlink to? I cant' tell from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~api-website-devs/ubuntu-api-website/api-website-canonical-is-charm/files/head:/hooks/
[17:57] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: it was a dep issue, latest build shows it as resolved
[17:57] <marcoceppi> re charmworldlib
[17:57] <mhall119> rick_h_: it symlinks to db-relation-changed
[17:57] <rick_h_> mhall119: no idea as to your question about ADMIN_NODE stuff. I'm just looking at the pgsql charm for the first time myself tbh.
[17:58] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: yay
[17:58] <rick_h_> mhall119: hmm, is something setting relation-set roles=$DB_ROLE
[17:58] <rick_h_> ?
[17:58] <mhall119> rick_h_: admin_mode is on my charm, it just tells it whether or not to run manage.py commands against the DB when the charm runs
[17:58] <mhall119> rick_h_: yes, db-relation-changed is setting that now
[17:58] <rick_h_> mhall119: ok, so that seems a different issue
[17:59] <rick_h_> mhall119: is that in a fork or something then?
[17:59] <rick_h_> are they running the right source that sets it?
[17:59] <mhall119> they have the right source as far as I can tell
[18:00] <mhall119> I'm thinking now that the admin_mode instance might also be using the regular postgresql:db relation, instead of :db-admin
[18:00] <rick_h_> well I think a script that assigns roles would need to be a db-admin user in order to run
[18:00] <mhall119> I've asked for a 'juju status' pastebin in #webops to know
[18:00] <rick_h_> mhall119: about it not working as is, it seems that the role passed in relation-set needs to be good/valid and I'd question that based on reading https://github.com/charms/postgresql/blob/master/hooks/hooks.py#L1126
[18:01] <mhall119> what do you mean by good/valid?
[18:01] <rick_h_> mhall119: all I got though :/
[18:03] <rick_h_> well what is pgsql expecting to get as a 'role' in there. That roles gets passed to grant_roles function. So that it must be the right name/value for the db to have access to?
[19:05] <hatch> nanananana writing-test-man writing-test-man
[19:05] <rick_h_> hah
[19:20] <bac> anyone here ever install nagios?
[19:20] <rick_h_> bac: long time ago we used it at my last job
[19:20] <bac> rick_h_: where is it on the simple-to-horror scale to get up and running?
[19:21] <rick_h_> bac: from packages, it's simple to get started. It's horror to manage and use since the UI is awful and so much is scripts/plugin stuff
[19:39] <hatch> holy smokes that's a lot of loc for some tests
[19:41] <hatch> 390line diff....yuss I only need one reviewer
[19:41] <hatch> lol
[19:43] <rick_h_> hatch: lol
[19:51] <hatch> hey rick_h_  I appear to have messed something up with my rebase -f in my branch
[19:51] <hatch> https://github.com/hatched/juju-gui/compare/juju:develop...hatched:local-zip-upload?expand=1
[19:51] <hatch> it's picked up a previous commit and applying it in this diff
[19:52] <hatch> any idea how I fix that?
[19:52] <hatch> create a new branch and apply the hash from the proper one maybe?
[19:53] <rick_h_> hatch: sec looking
[19:54] <rick_h_> hatch: so the commit is from your branch?
[19:54] <hatch> no it's already been merged into develop
[19:54] <rick_h_> hatch: if it's just in your branch you can always rebase -i HEAD~~~ to tweak it more
[19:54] <rick_h_> oh
[19:54] <hatch> somehow it was pulled 'up' or whatever
[19:54] <rick_h_> sec, I want to figure this out then
[19:55] <rick_h_> there's supposed to be a way to remove every commit in your branch, update from origin, and then re-layer your commits down again
[19:55] <rick_h_> and I think that's the way to work with these
[19:55] <rick_h_> hatch: but yea, I'd just update develop, new branch, cherry-pick your commit you want, and repush
[19:55] <rick_h_> as far as speed goes
[19:57] <rick_h_> hatch: try this please
[19:57] <rick_h_> git checkout develop
[19:57] <rick_h_> git juju-sync
[19:57] <rick_h_> git checkout local-zip-upload
[19:57] <hatch> I don't have juju-sync, I'm just resolving the conflicts in the cherry-pick right now
[19:57] <rick_h_> git rebase develop
[19:57] <rick_h_> bah
[19:58] <rick_h_> well, fine. just git pull juju (or whatever you call it) develop
[19:58] <rick_h_> and the key is to run in your branch `git rebase develop`
[19:58] <rick_h_> and see what it does with that
[19:58] <rick_h_> https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorial/remote-repositories#!pull
[19:58] <rick_h_> as well
[19:59] <rick_h_> git pull --rebase develop maybe?
[20:01] <hatch> bah, no matter what it keeps pulling in that new one
[20:01] <hatch> even with a cherry pick of the specific hash
[20:01] <hatch> hmm
[20:02] <rick_h_> you broke it
[20:02] <hatch> damn rebase
[20:03] <rick_h_> lol
[20:03] <hatch> oh I think I know how I broke it
[20:03] <rick_h_> stop doing that then
[20:03] <hatch> rebase re-stacks commits
[20:03] <rick_h_> right
[20:03] <rick_h_> that's the point
[20:03] <hatch> so when I 'picked' one even though it was older
[20:03] <rick_h_> you can move commit saround with an interactive rebase
[20:03] <hatch> it re-applied it
[20:03] <hatch> instead of leaving it
[20:03] <rick_h_> huh? pick just means to keep it
[20:03] <rick_h_> it shouldn't reapply it
[20:04] <hatch> maybe it does
[20:04] <hatch> I don't see how else it could have shown up
[20:05] <rick_h_> no, because you can remove the commit and it should go away
[20:05] <rick_h_> do you have it in there twice? is that commit in your git log twice?
[20:05] <rick_h_> with two diff hashes?
[20:05] <hatch> I think I've got it
[20:05] <hatch> pushing
[20:05] <hatch> victory
[20:07] <rick_h_> did you create a new branch from that existing one?
[20:07] <rick_h_> instead of from develop?
[20:07] <hatch> jujugui lf a review https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/86 no qa needed
[20:07] <rick_h_> looking
[20:07] <hatch> rick_h_ I updated develop so it's most recent branch wasn't the 'extra' one and then the cherry pick worked without conflicts
[20:07] <gary_poster> on it hatch
[20:08] <gary_poster> oh rick_h_has it
[20:08] <hatch> I think it's about time for lunch
[20:08] <rick_h_> hatch: yea, it looks like you created the branch from the other feature branch and then did a pull request that contained both changes
[20:13] <hatch> now to do some Python
[20:13] <hatch> bring on the semicolons!
[20:13] <hatch> er.... :P
[20:15] <gary_poster> semicolons? :-P
[20:37] <bac> rick_h_: the tickle to run config-changed on mjc stomped all over the cowboyed changes.  that's actually good.  but it wrote out bad data, so my theory seems to be right.
[20:37] <bac> working with deej to see exactly what they do and how to make it work
[20:37] <rick_h_> bac: the theory that they're not running the scripts and cowboying things?
[20:38] <bac> rick_h_: no, that their modified local copy of the charm is not merging in changes we make to the actual charm
[20:38] <rick_h_> oh ok
[21:03] <hatch> my cable box goes to channel 41 when I type in 0330
[21:52] <bac> rick_h_:  sorry i missed deej's last statement.  all good and reconvene on monday?
[21:55] <rick_h_> bac: sorry, was afk /me looks at history
[21:55] <rick_h_> 21:44       deej| That's all fixed
[21:55] <rick_h_> 21:44       deej| The charm's getting updated
[21:55] <rick_h_> 21:44       deej| It's not getting its new template files though


[11:01] <MobileDruif> akgraner: have you got a minute?
[11:02] <MobileDruif> pleia2: or would you happen to have a spare moment?
[11:03] <MobileDruif> Would they even be awake right now? :)
[18:25] <Myrtti> pleia2: ping?
[18:25] <pleia2> Myrtti: pong
[18:25] <Myrtti> pm?
[18:25] <pleia2> sure
[18:54]  * nlsthzn has gotten to do one summary then the Linux Action Show live show sucked all my attention >.<
[18:54] <pleia2> hehe
[20:54] <pleia2> need lots of summaries!


[00:16] <mup> PR snapcraft#3849 opened: linters: add classic confinement linter <Created by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3849>
[09:31] <pstolowski> morning!
[10:57] <dob1> there is still a important bug on firefox snap, it was there still the first time the snap package was released: it still doesn't disable dpms so watching youtube after some time turns monitor off
[10:57] <dob1> not a good experience
[10:59] <ogra> dob1, is your screen-inhibit-control interface connected ? (snap connections firefox)
[11:00] <dob1> ogra: screen-inhibit-control    firefox:screen-inhibit-control  :screen-inhibit-control          -
[11:00] <ogra> (and are you on a default desktop or any self knitted setup ?)
[11:00] <dob1> what does knitted means ?
[11:00] <ogra> it surely works for me ...
[11:00] <ogra> self built
[11:00] <dob1> I am using i3
[11:00] <ogra> ah
[11:01] <ogra> well, that might not provide the expected dbus bits needed to tell logind to inhibit dpms
[11:01] <ogra> it works on a default gnome desktop for sure
[11:01] <dob1> what you suggest?
[11:01] <ogra> finding out what you miss 😉
[11:03] <dob1> DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 600    Suspend: 600    Off: 600 DPMS is Enabled    this is from xset q
[11:03] <dob1> do you think it's an i3 issue?
[11:05] <ogra> well, a session issue ... i3 is just your WM ... usually the session consists of a lot more
[11:06] <dob1> do I need something like xscreensaver maybe?
[11:06] <ogra> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/interfaces/builtin/screen_inhibit_control.go#L58
[11:07] <ogra> you need a freedesktop compliant screensaving technology of any kind
[11:07] <dob1> in simple terms ? :)
[11:08] <ogra> no idea 🙂
[11:08] <ogra> i have not crafted my own desktop session in years ...
[12:40] <mup> PR snapd#12009 opened: tests: Fix a missing parameter in command to wait for device <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12009>
[12:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3850 opened: meta: add support for s390x <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3850>
[14:14] <mup> PR snapcraft#3850 closed: meta: add support for s390x <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3850>
[15:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#3851 opened: requirements: update craft-parts <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3851>
[17:09] <mup> PR core20#137 closed: Makefile: create /usr/lib/clock-epoch <squash-merge> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/pull/137>
[17:44] <mup> PR snapcraft#3852 opened: lint: lint legacy code with isort <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3852>
[17:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3853 opened: lint: lint legacy code with black <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3853>
[17:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#3854 opened: lint: lint legacy code with flake8 <Created by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3854>
[20:09] <mup> PR snapcraft#3851 closed: requirements: update craft-parts <Created by mr-cal> <Closed by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3851>
[22:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#3848 closed: repo: fix_pkg_config removes prefixes from staged snap's .pc files <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by cmatsuoka> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3848>


[00:00] <Patrickdk> why would someone be able to help you?
[00:01] <Patrickdk> you haven't even stated your issue
[00:01] <Patrickdk> !ask
[00:02] <root_> Alright, I'm sorry about that guys, I'm new to this. I just installed linux last night and I finnaly got it running good with no errors, but I cannot download anything from the software centre, I see install but when I click it nothing happens.
[00:03] <Patrickdk> you JUST installed ubuntu? and you installed 12.04?
[00:03] <root_> 11.10 i believe
[00:03] <Patrickdk> you do know that 12.04 is not stable
[00:03] <Patrickdk> this channel is only for 12.04 help
[00:03] <Patrickdk> visit #ubuntu for other versions
[00:04] <root_> im using irrisi how do i navigate to there?
[00:04] <Patrickdk> I wouldn't know
[00:04] <tomodachi> root_:  there are several ways
[00:04] <tomodachi> root_:  type /join #ubuntu
[00:05] <tomodachi> to join that room , godspeed
[00:05] <Patrickdk> hmm, I really need to submit a patch for mytop
[00:05] <Patrickdk> this bug has annoyed me for the last 10 years
[03:22] <sillytones> so if I understand the planning right, pangolin will be mostly like 11.10 with more polish and attention to detail?
[03:22] <sillytones> or will it be more like 8.04 with a bunch of new features
[03:26] <jbicha> sillytones: we're shooting for similar to 11.10 but with less bugs & more consistency :)
[03:26] <sillytones> jbicha: ok cool! Also I wonder if touchpads will enjoy better support
[03:27] <jbicha> sillytones: what do you mean re: touchpad support ?
[03:27] <sillytones> I see a lot of people looking for support on forums and google
[03:28] <sillytones> also as a personal anecdote, edge scrolling stopped working for me in 11.04, and still hadn't been addressed in 11.10
[03:28] <sillytones> so i'm wondering if 12.04 will be any different
[03:44] <sillytones> jbicha: this seems like it might be the main beef: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/747092/comments/43
[03:47] <jbicha> sillytones: ah ok, I don't do much with kernel stuff
[03:49] <sillytones> jbicha: it would be cool if ubuntu could detect known issues like that and say, "hey, looks like your trackpad's not working! that's because..." but that would be in a perfect alternate dimention
[03:55] <jbicha> maybe as Ubuntu Friendly gets going that will be possible
[03:56] <jbicha> I'd love to see Ubuntu get smart enough to warn users if their hardware won't work well with an upgrade
[04:33] <sillytones> jbicha: I did the hardware survey for ubuntu friendly, but I noticed something I'm not sure is intentional
[04:34] <sillytones> jbicha: the whole survey is really long, and the last thing you test is standby -- my computer wouldn't wake from standby, so I had to hard reset -- was all the time I put into the survey lost then?
[04:37] <jbicha> sillytones: good question, you could file a bug report or ask<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:41] <sillytones> email sent :)
[10:00] <FernandoMiguel> murninf
[10:01] <jasef> Morning
[10:01] <jasef> O_O
[10:05] <jasef> Anyone know where I can find dailies for Pangolin desktop? Or am I jumping the gun a bit?
[10:07] <Ian_Corne> you're jumping the gun
[10:07] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: toooo soon
[10:07] <FernandoMiguel> just upgrade from 11.10
[10:07]  * FernandoMiguel misses running 12.04.... is loosing the boat :\
[10:08] <FernandoMiguel> when I said I wasn't sure I would be running 12.x while at 11.10, I sure didn't meaning not having the HW for it....... *ML
[10:10] <Ian_Corne> the hw?
[10:11] <jasef> When do you think I'll be able to get some dailies for it? I like running bleeding edge software and scaring my friends :P
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> jasef: alpha1 I think
[10:12] <Ian_Corne> but you can just upgrade your 11.10
[10:13] <jasef> I can? How? Just doing s/oneiric/precice/ on /etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:13] <Ian_Corne> yes
[10:13] <jasef> Oh, sexy. Should I expect a lot of random weird things?
[10:15] <FernandoMiguel> never did
[10:16] <FernandoMiguel> as long as you have the main meta packages
[10:16] <FernandoMiguel> and if you do, than you found a bug :)
[10:16] <kyofel> nothing weird broken here yet after the upgrade at least
[10:17]  * FernandoMiguel looks at kyofel nick and  scratches head......
[10:17] <FernandoMiguel> kyofel: I resamble that nick from some place ....
[10:18] <kyofel> I'm at school - only web client avaliable :(
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> lol
[10:18] <kyofel> that's why I'm twice in there now. web + quassel
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[10:18] <FernandoMiguel> you addicted
[10:18] <kyofel> :P
[10:19] <jasef> I know when I was running natty dailies, I had bugs with stuff because some packages depended on and old version of gcc
[10:19] <Ian_Corne> jasef: for me nothing broken that wasn't broken before :D
[10:19] <jasef> Kay. Updating now :D
[10:19] <jasef> How do I use sed to do this again?
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: did you have both repo versions?
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> ctrl+f
[10:19] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[10:19] <jasef> FernandoMiguel, for natty dailies? I don't remember.
[10:20] <jasef> Grrr, ruining my CLI fun.
[10:21] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[10:21] <FernandoMiguel> nano FTW
[10:22] <FernandoMiguel> or $ man sed
[10:22] <FernandoMiguel> you gonna need to take a couple of hours to read *and* understand all the regexp syntax. and do backup your sources :p
[10:24] <jasef> root@dionysus:~# mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.oneiric
[10:25] <jasef> root@dionysus:~# sed 's/oneiric/precise/' </etc/apt/sources.oneirc >/etc/apt/sources.list
[10:25] <jasef> <- so proud of myself xD
[10:25] <jasef> er... ignore the typo in that second one, I fixed it in my CLI command but did it before I copied it >.>
[10:25]  * FernandoMiguel pats jasef in the back
[10:26] <FernandoMiguel> AFAIR sed can backup the file too
[10:26] <FernandoMiguel> so you could do that inline
[10:27] <jasef> O_O.
[10:27] <jasef> Must know how...
[10:31] <jasef> I got 404 errors on two of my sources, is that okay?
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> no
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> it shouldn't
[10:31] <Ian_Corne> unless it's partner
[10:31] <kyofel> or PPA's
[10:31] <jasef> Both are from extras.ubuntu.com
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> strip those.. and also comment all PPAs till you make sure they are available
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> that's the same as partner I think
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> just put oneiric there
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> although you can use older ones, many times
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> FernandoMiguel: the ppa's are in sources.list.d
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> and should not be changed with the sed command
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> not mine
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> ah
[10:32] <Ian_Corne> you don't add them with add-apt-repository?
[10:32] <FernandoMiguel> I still have ppas back ijn maverick....
[10:33] <FernandoMiguel> Ian_Corne: I'm an old dog
[10:33] <Ian_Corne> Me too, but I clear out sources.list and ppa's eveyr now and then :)
[10:33] <jasef> So I shouldn't get any problems using the oneiric versions of those?
[10:33] <FernandoMiguel> who knows
[10:34] <FernandoMiguel> YMMV.... it may just work.... or eat kittens
[10:34] <jasef> Lol thanks :P I'll try and see what happens... I should find out what software I have from those repositories first
[10:35] <jasef> Uhm. Any way to do that without installing Synaptic?
[10:37] <FernandoMiguel> do what?
[10:37] <FernandoMiguel> apt-cache policy is your best friend
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> I don't think it's can go wrong, dependencies versions are set
[10:37] <Ian_Corne> and stuff
[10:38] <Ian_Corne> at most, updating will be annoying
[10:38] <jasef> FernandoMiguel, I mean finding what packages I've installed from a particular source
[10:38] <FernandoMiguel> yeah, synaptic has one of the best views for it
[10:39] <jasef> o: It's installing synaptic without any problems... I thought it'd have to update a tonne of packages since I made it all go to precise lol
[10:40] <FernandoMiguel> oh rite, now synpacit is not part of -desktop...
[10:40] <FernandoMiguel> it's like aptitude LOL
[10:40] <jasef> I still don't understand why they removed Synaptic.
[10:44] <kyofel> it's too intelligent for common people
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> :)))
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: I also agree it's uncessary for most common users
[10:45] <FernandoMiguel> especially with the all pretty software center
[10:46] <jasef> Software Centre is kinda annoying and slow for me.
[10:46] <FernandoMiguel> me too
[10:46] <FernandoMiguel> but I use aptitude for most of my installs
[10:46] <jasef> Eh... I'm just commenting out the repositories for now, I don't figure any harm will come.
[10:47] <jasef> I don't like aptitude... I just use apt-get
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> too late... you should do that *before* you upgrade
[10:47] <jasef> I haven't upgraded yet.
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> don't forget to --update first , so you get the new sources
[10:47] <jasef> All I did was changed the sources.list
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> protip: apt-get clean
[10:47] <jasef> What does clean do?
[10:47] <FernandoMiguel> cleans out all the packages you have in /car/cache/apt
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> and all the .lists, that will be outdated for 12.x
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> *var
[10:48] <jasef> So if I just do apt-get clean, then apt-get update, I should be fine?
[10:48] <jasef> What's better, apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> $ du -csh /var/cache/apt/archives/
[10:48] <FernandoMiguel> 491M	total
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> jasef: I dunno.  I just use aptitude
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> have been using it since the times I did the kde 3.5 > 4.1 migration
[10:49] <jasef> Aptitude has both options too, doesn't it?
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[10:49] <FernandoMiguel> which certanly SOUND nicer and more clear than those from apt-get
[10:50] <jasef> Freaking touchpad.
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> *which certanly SOUND nicer and more clear than those from apt-get
[10:50] <jasef> Anyway, using aptitude, which command would you recommend I run?
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> safe
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> THAN full
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> I even have an alias for it lOL
[10:50] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo apt-get update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[10:51] <jasef> FCKING.
[10:51] <jasef> >.>
[10:51] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo apt-get update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[10:51] <FernandoMiguel> !language | jasef
[10:51] <jasef> >.> Sorry
[10:51] <FernandoMiguel> I know
[10:51] <jasef> I'll be good now.
[10:52] <jasef> Argh.  Thanks for all the help :)
[10:54] <jasef> And I'll try to remember about the language from now on.
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> aptitude safe-upgrade is broken on my 64 bit machine
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> always need to use --full-resolve or something
[10:57] <Ian_Corne> and that's just dependency hell
[10:58] <FernandoMiguel> can't test *right now* but was fine last week
[11:05] <jasef> Delayed by my emails D:. Going to dinner now, but safe-upgrade is working fine for me atm, I'll report how it goes when I get back home :)
[13:31] <jasef> Yay. It finished downloading the safe-update... it was waiting for my confirmation on gnome's default applications file >.>
[14:00] <jasef> :( so sad
[14:00] <jasef> My login screen still says 11.10
[14:21] <drussell> jasef: tip-ex?
[14:44] <FernandoMiguel> someone has logs of a chat from 2 weeks ago we were having about passwords? I'm not in my laptop and seems chrome didn't sync my bookmarks :(
[14:44] <Pici> !1984 | FernandoMiguel
[14:44] <FernandoMiguel> thanks Pici
[14:44] <Pici> np
[14:44] <bjsnider> it syncs but you have to sign into gmail
[14:45] <FernandoMiguel> -_-'
[14:50] <FernandoMiguel> no luck going over those logs .... oh well
[14:52] <FernandoMiguel> found it : http://passwordmaker.org
[15:12] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, oh, that's what you were looking for
[15:23] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: it was
[15:23] <FernandoMiguel> so I keep generating the passwords with the same scheme
[17:50]  * Ian_Corne removes all 32bit cruft
[22:33] <roasted_> Exit.
[22:33] <roasted_> Exit


[12:06] <Riddell> opensource: it's better
[12:06] <Riddell> still not as nice as the old one
[12:06] <Riddell> what's wrong with the one on kubuntu.org?
[12:07] <Riddell> the current one has 3 different shadow effects going on :)
[12:12] <opensource> the artist is still working on the logo
[12:12] <opensource> but this one is temporary
[12:14] <Riddell> I actually have a slightly newer version of the kubuntu logo I need to start using
[12:14] <Riddell> opensource: who's the artist?
[12:14] <opensource> I will mention the kubuntu.org image to him.  Just need to change the background color, and add the word forums
[12:15] <opensource> ereicesque
[12:15] <opensource> ericesque
[12:20] <opensource> Riddell: how can bring ideas to developers to be implemented into Kubuntu?  I have a forum for requests and new features.  There are a few requests posted in it.
[12:23] <Riddell> freeflying_: woo!
[12:23] <freeflying_> Riddell: thx
[12:23] <\sh> freeflying_: congrats (again from me :))
[12:24] <freeflying_> \sh thx again  :)
[12:24] <Riddell> opensource: URL?
[12:24] <opensource> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?board=48.0
[12:25] <opensource> I haven't really looked them over or compiled them, but I was just wondering who I could approach about requests in general?
[12:27] <Riddell> opensource: me :)
[12:27] <Riddell> if it's something like include package X then any MOTU (me, \sh, pef, raphink, Tonio_ etc)
[12:28] <Riddell> if it's tweaking default settings or default packages probably me
[12:28] <Riddell> if it's fixing bugs then launchpad.net or do it yourself for best response
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm not a MOTU for the moment ^^
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: wait a bit ;)
[12:29] <\sh> Tonio_: you are a MOTU :) but in the moment, you don't have the upload rights, but it's only a matter of time
[12:29] <Tonio_> \sh: thanks ;)
[12:30] <raphink> :)
[12:31] <opensource> ok thanks, I will keep this info in mind
[12:32] <Riddell> opensource: if there's stuff on the forums you think the developers should see do pop in here and point us to it
[12:32] <Riddell> developers don't tend to use forums too much for whatever reasons
[12:33] <Riddell> opensource: new logo I'm ment to use http://kubuntu.org/art/kubuntu-dapper.png
[12:33] <Riddell> spot the obvious mistake there, sheesh
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm, those adverts on the forums are getting more invasive :)
[12:37] <opensource> Yeah I think I am going to drop the one below the logo.  Next to user info.  I have to run for now, class is over
[12:38] <Riddell> opensource: cheereo, thanks again for your kubuntu forums work
[12:39] <opensource> no problem, i enjoy it and i am learning alot as well
[12:41] <allee> Tonio_, freeflying_ : congratulation
[12:41] <freeflying_> allee: thx
[12:46] <Tonio_> allee: thanks a lot ;)
[12:47] <Tonio_> allee: and what about you ? how can YOU not be a member, a MOTU, a DD or something ? ;)
[12:49] <Riddell> good question
[12:49] <freeflying_> allee: yep
[12:49] <allee> Tonio_: Why, well I missed the opertunity when amu asked me ages ago.  now that you applied and mako raised the standard for wiki pages...
[12:50] <\sh> I wonder where amu is hiding anyway...need to call hom
[12:50] <\sh> him even
[12:50] <allee> Seriously: My work is almost invisible.  No dozends of pkgs, no 1200 forum entries, ...  I think 'thin' is the word mako used
[12:51] <freeflying_> allee:  :)
[12:52] <Tonio_> allee: ^^
[12:53] <Tonio_> allee: how many of us did you help during packaging ? that counts also....
[12:53] <allee> thx
[12:53] <Tonio_> allee: the world work to much on what is "visible"... :)
[12:55] <allee> well if people here think that lots of allee++ outweight the 'thin' visibility ...
[01:03] <\sh> allee for president
[01:03] <allee> \sh lol
[01:04] <allee> \sh so sabfld(sp?) position is vacant?
[01:04] <Riddell> I think dictator is above president
[01:04] <\sh> sabdfls position can't be vacant...he is a step above a president...:)
[01:05] <allee> okay let's start small and just apply to kubuntu team :)
[01:10] <Riddell> We received a request from the user named 'allee
[01:10] <Riddell> (allee)' trying to join the team 'Kubuntu Team'
[01:10] <Riddell> ok people, do we like this allee chap?
[01:21] <\sh> Riddell: well..if he's not annoying...take him :)
[01:22] <\sh> and he must sign the code of Konduct ,)
[01:22] <allee> \
[01:23] <allee> \sh: i'm trying.  Complains no pubkey, strange
[01:23] <Riddell> allee: have you uploaded your key to launchpad?
[01:23] <\sh> allee: you didn't upload your privkey?
[01:24] <allee> \sh: I hope not.  don't make me nervous
[01:24] <\sh> off to bed...cu later today
[01:24] <\sh> allee: import your pubkey to LP :)
[01:24] <allee> nite \sh
[01:24] <allee> \sh did ages ago
[01:28] <JRe> Riddell: have tested a bit Keep ?
[01:29] <Riddell> JRe: no, busy with kde 3.5.1 and koffice buliding today, tomorrow I will
[01:29] <Riddell> and please test KDE 3.5.1 on dapper folks!
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: can't test on dapper cause it doesn't work on my laptop, but I'd be glad to test breezy backports if any....
[01:29] <Riddell> mornfall: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/28018
[01:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: what doesn't work on laptop?
[01:31] <Tonio_> hum, when I migrate to dapper, I lost my network card, graphic card, wifi card ;)
[01:31] <Tonio_> I think the intel chipset is simply not detected.....
[01:31] <Tonio_> I didn't try with a dapper-fly cd
[01:32] <allee> Tonio_: ipw2200 works fine here with dapper
[01:32] <Tonio_> I will try one of those days and eventually post a bug...
[01:32] <crimsun> Tonio_: today has been full of changes; the dbus, hal, sysvinit, ifupdown, etc. changes have contributed to some "breakage"
[01:33] <Tonio_> allee: chat is it ?
[01:33] <Tonio_> s/chat/what
[01:33] <Tonio_> crimsun: I must say I think I updated just when there was a problem with xlibs lol
[01:33] <allee> Tonio_: wifi part of intel chipset
[01:33] <allee> but rest works too.
[01:34] <Tonio_> allee: ah okay !
[01:34] <Tonio_> anyway, I will test again with a flight-cd, and eventually updating again....
[01:39] <mornfall> Riddell: that's because i forgot to remind you that you should also bump build-depend in adept from libapt-front >= 0.3.5 to >= 0.3.5ubuntu2 (since 0.3.5ubuntu1 >= 0.3.5)
[01:39] <mornfall> Riddell: when it gets built with new libapt-front, it should be magically fixed
[01:41] <Riddell> mornfall: do I have that new libapt-front?
[01:48] <mornfall> Riddell: i am almost sure i told you to get it from debian :-)
[01:48] <mornfall> i am surprized it even built
[01:50] <Riddell> blurg, ok I'm too sleepy
[01:50] <Riddell> too long watching kde 3.5.1 compiles scroll by :)
[01:51] <JRe> :)
[01:51] <mornfall> :-)))
[01:51] <mornfall> i can feel your pain
[01:51] <mornfall> elenna says hello too
[01:51] <mornfall> we are studying for modal and temporal logic exam tomorrow
[01:52] <mornfall> err today
[01:52] <mornfall> 10am
[01:53] <Riddell> temporal logic sounds a bit sci-fi to me
[01:53] <Riddell> good luck elenna!
[02:32] <raphink> Riddell: or here maybe :)
[02:33] <Riddell> raphink: hi
[02:33] <Riddell> if you're quick
[02:34] <raphink> sure
[02:34] <raphink> we're talking with tonio about konq-kim
[02:34] <raphink> dunno if you had a look at it sometime in the past
[02:34] <raphink> to remind you really quick
[02:34] <raphink> kim is a set of servicemenus for konqueror
[02:34] <Tonio_> yep, I think inclusion in kubuntu-default-settings could be a nice idea :)
[02:34] <raphink> to manage images from the file view
[02:34] <raphink> it's very nice and powerful
[02:34] <Riddell> I think it clutters the right click menu too much for default inclusion
[02:35] <raphink> but upstream had not taken my patches and applied GPL properlyy
[02:35] <raphink> I just spent my evening on this program
[02:35] <raphink> Riddell: how about modifying it for inclusion?
[02:35] <raphink> Riddell: as it is, the upstream doesn't have time anymore for it
[02:35] <Tonio_> raphink: already responded ;)
[02:35] <raphink> he's asking for a new maintainer
[02:36] <raphink> so we might actually develop it inside kubuntu
[02:36] <raphink> taking only the basic parts to not make it too heavy by default
[02:36] <allee> raphink, biased ;) : I think, it would be better to write a cmdline app that uses kipi-plugins
[02:36] <raphink> allee: what I see is that kim exists
[02:37] <raphink> I use it almost daily and it totally changes my way to deal with images in KDE
[02:37] <allee> kipi-plugins too ;)
[02:37] <raphink> what do they allow?
[02:38] <allee> apt-cache show kipi-plugins  # me is pround of the long description ;)
[02:39] <raphink> kipi-plugins work in konqueror?
[02:40] <allee> no ;) missing peace is the command line wrapper that feeds the file names into the plugin
[02:40] <raphink> s/peace/piece/
[02:41] <allee> right :)
[02:41] <raphink> ok
[02:41] <allee> then we would have 5 apps using the same plugins (and hopefully a bit more interest in developing more/new kipi-plugins)
[02:41] <raphink> I think I'm fine with Kim as long as there is no such piece released for kipi plugins
[02:42] <raphink> and I'm no dev really
[02:42] <allee> me too :(
[02:42] <raphink> so in the meanwhile I'll get kim in
[02:43] <allee> raphink: fine.  I just want to mention it, if you think about:
[02:43] <allee> [02:36]  <raphink> so we might actually develop it inside kubuntu
[02:43] <allee> that work is better invested in a cmdline tool.
[02:43] <raphink> yes you're right
[02:45] <allee> time for some sleep.  Nite everyone
[02:45] <raphink> yes
[02:45] <raphink> night
[02:46] <allee> nite raphink
[03:21] <Tonio_> nite all ;)
[04:25] <spstarr_home> maximizing/windows seems to randomly trigger it's demise :)
[01:40] <raphink> Riddell: could you have a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1612 please?
[02:56] <Riddell> raphink: ok
[02:57] <Riddell> raphink: fancy packaging kdbus?
[02:57] <raphink> huh?
[02:57] <Riddell> http://rohanpm.net/kdbus
[02:57] <raphink> what is that?
[02:57] <Riddell> like kdcop but for dbus
[02:58] <raphink> nice
[02:58] <raphink> I'll have a look later on
[02:58] <raphink> I'm writing a guide for reviewing
[02:58] <raphink> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewingGuide
[02:58] <raphink> just began
[02:58] <raphink> ;)
[03:00] <Riddell> raphink: great
[03:00] <raphink> you like it?
[03:00] <raphink> This is gonna be a huge guide :)
[03:01] <allee> raphink: Pre-existence of the package section should have it's own page.  It's usefull at several places and as far AFAIR I've seen at least 3-4 variant of them
[03:02] <raphink> hmm ok
[03:02] <raphink> well we can section this guide later on
[03:02] <raphink> in several pages
[03:02] <raphink> so far I want to work on it this way, I can split it later on
[03:02] <allee> yeap
[03:02] <raphink> or there's always a way to refer to this section from another page
[03:02] <Riddell> I think MOTUReviewingGuide is a handy page to have it on if the other pages would link to there
[03:02] <raphink> that was my guess too
[03:05] <allee> 'k.  mentors have/use 2 standard URL for the 'license' section and at least one URL for 'what a reviewer should check'.  If you don't have them I can look them up.
[03:11] <raphink> yes I know the two urls
[03:11] <raphink> I plan to use them too
[03:16] <allee> raphink: mhhmm, fwiw I assume ReviewGuide will be terse or checklist like than e.g. PackagingGuide.  So I assume there is at least the need for 2 variants of 'check for exsiting deb'. Or it's possible to 'highlight' the checklist to it's easy to skip the 'why' explanations with the eye then one version maybe enough.
[03:17] <raphink> what do you mean?
[03:20] <allee> raphink: as you mention in the page, the one doing reviewing should know why he/she is checking for this and that.  No not much that much explanation is necessary that in the PackagingGuide that need to also to teach why to do it this or that way.
[03:20] <raphink> ic
[03:20] <raphink> well if it's too much, I guess people can read fast ;)
[03:20] <raphink> I like to give reasons
[03:21] <raphink> and if people consider this guide is too huge, they will remove parts of it
[03:21] <raphink> it's a wiki :)
[03:22] <allee> So my 'I assume' was wrong. np ;)
[03:32] <Riddell> raphink: E: Package mjpegtools has no installation candidate
[03:32] <raphink> really?
[03:32] <raphink> hmm maybe it's in multiverse
[03:32] <raphink> do you have multiverse on?
[03:33] <raphink> I should have mjpegtools recommended, since it's only for one or two functions
[03:33] <raphink> minor ones
[03:34] <Riddell> so long as there's a sane error message if it isn't installed
[03:35] <raphink> mhm
[04:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about something
[04:06] <Tonio_> actually when you change a few parameters in font settings, or color sheme, that doesn't apply for "kdesu" launched apps....
[04:07] <Tonio_> isn't there a way to "bind" the root profile to the local one, only for specific files, which wouldn't cause any danger
[04:08] <Riddell> I don't konw of any such way
[04:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm gonna check if that possible in any way...
[04:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: If you want something really homogenous, it is a pain copying those files in the root profile manually each time
[04:14] <Tonio_> hh
[04:30] <Tonio_> hum Riddell, I just checked different possibilities, and I found something interesting
[04:30] <Tonio_> using sudo adept for example, I get my profile settings, meaning the $HOME is set to /home/me
[04:31] <Tonio_> using kdesu it uses /root
[04:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that normal, kdesu limitation, or simply not implemented ?
[04:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: using sudo means you'll end up with files in your home directory that are owned by root such as ~/.ICEauthority
[04:34] <Riddell> which breaks any subsequent programs you run
[04:35] <Riddell> I've reently changed kdelibs to just set $HOME to root when run as uid 0
[04:41] <Tonio_>  Riddell that sound indeed logic....
[04:53] <mdz> Riddell: what does kdelibs-bin need with netpbm?  can that dependency be avoided?
[04:56] <Riddell> mdz: it's used for image thumbnails I think
[04:56] <Riddell> mdz: netpbm is in main though isn't it?
[04:58] <mdz> Riddell: it is, but if possible we would prefer that it weren't
[05:10] <Riddell> mdz: it looks like it isn't used any more
[05:10] <mdz> Riddell: score
[05:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'm sorry
[05:33] <jpatrick> I let you all down...
[05:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdbus : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1613
[05:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: no you didn't :)
[05:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: we still love you
[05:37] <jpatrick> can't they have more reasonable times?
[05:38] <Riddell> the times move about
[05:38] <jpatrick> but not in my favour
[05:39] <Riddell> next one is at midday UTC
[05:39] <jpatrick> oh crap
[05:39] <jpatrick> can't go
[05:41] <jpatrick> oh dear.
[05:45] <jpatrick> can't they accept via wikipages?
[05:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: not really, they need to be able to chat to you
[05:46] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't you have internet access at school?
[05:46] <jpatrick> email?
[05:47] <jpatrick> Riddell: I don't have computer lesson at that time
[05:47] <Riddell> but that's 13:00 in spain, should be siesta time or lunch time?
[05:48] <jpatrick> no
[06:01] <nlindblad> jpatrick: how are you?
[06:01] <nlindblad> Riddell: how are you?
[06:01] <jpatrick> nlindblad: not in a good mood
[06:02] <nlindblad> :(
[06:02] <Riddell> nlindblad: I'm fine
[06:02] <Riddell> and it's burns nicht
[06:02] <jpatrick> Riddell: they changed the logo at KubuntuForums
[06:03] <nlindblad> my "to do" list is way too long
[06:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: to the one with three different shadow effects
[06:05] <Riddell> four if you count the lack of shadow on "forums"
[06:10] <nlindblad> damn this constant beep
[06:10] <nlindblad> it's getting louder
[06:10] <Riddell> nlindblad: which?
[06:11] <nlindblad> the constant beep inside my head
[06:13] <nlindblad> quite annoying sometimes
[06:13] <Riddell> I'd imagine it would be
[06:14] <nlindblad> today for the first time I actually heard it during a not that loud conversation
[06:14] <jpatrick> right...
[06:15] <nlindblad> and once it gets a bit louder, it's that loud until it gets louder
[06:15] <nlindblad> no way of stopping it
[06:15] <jpatrick> :|
[06:16] <nlindblad> I just can't remember what silence is like
[06:22] <nlindblad> probably the right place to complain about my life though
[06:22] <nlindblad> s/the/not the/
[06:24] <Riddell> sounds like a job for a doctor
[06:40] <jpatrick> np: Amateur Transplants - London Underground
[06:40] <jpatrick> ;)
[06:49] <Riddell> pef!
[06:50] <Riddell> pef: did't you have a speedcrunch 0.7 package?
[06:50] <pef> package to upload ?
[06:50] <Riddell> to review
[06:51] <pef> Riddell: no, to package :) but you said there is a problem about qt4 and Dapper
[06:51] <pef> so I stopped any work on it
[06:52] <nlindblad> Riddell: been to a doctor several times
[06:52] <Riddell> pef: I was thinking we could rename it speedcrunch-qt4 or something
[06:53] <Riddell> have it in universe
[06:54] <pef> Riddell: and consider it as a new package ? so we will have speedcrunch (qt3) and speedcrunch-qt4
[06:55] <Riddell> pef: yes
[06:55] <jjesse> Riddell: upgraded to kde 3.5.1 for dapper and no problems
[06:55] <Riddell> dunno, may well be not worth it
[06:55] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent
[06:55] <Riddell> jjesse: does kmail work?
[06:55] <pef> I find that a bit confusing for end user
[06:55] <jjesse> Riddell: trying it right now
[06:56] <Riddell> pef: ok, lets just leave it then
[06:56] <pef> Riddell: it's just my opinion ;)
[06:57] <pef> that's not because I'm lazy :]  (had to found a hack because of CFLAGS being dropped by cdbs)
[07:01] <pef> Riddell: what's the problem with qt4 and Dapper ? too late ?
[07:04] <Riddell> pef: having two versions of the same library is frowned upon from a support view, and dapper is a long term supported release
[07:05] <pef> 5 years, isn't it ?
[07:05] <Riddell> yes
[07:06] <pef> Riddell: have you already investigated the adept crash "when click on fetching updates" issue ?
[07:07] <Riddell> pef: yes, I need to update libapt-front, which I'll do in about 5 minutes
[07:07] <pef> ok :)
[07:08] <mornfall> pef: it's fixed, no worries ;)
[07:10] <pef> mornfall: great :)
[07:40] <allee> oh, 5 not only 3 years
[07:43] <Riddell> 5 on the server
[07:43] <Riddell> qt probably isn't considered server though
[08:02] <allee> 30 2 or 4 core opterons count as server (no need for kde there:)  I cross my fingers that oracle zerfies on it. -> SLES go home
[08:13] <Riddell> there's a podcast from oracle the other day that talks about packages for kubuntu
[08:27] <allee> podcast?  Searched www.oracle.com for ubuntu without luck.
[08:27] <Tonio_> re
[08:36] <Riddell> yo Tonio_
[08:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: want to test the breezy packages?
[08:37] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[08:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course ;) I'm waiting for that for 2 days ;)
[08:37] <Tonio_> let's go
[08:38] <jpatrick> "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/ breezy main"
[08:38] <jpatrick> or "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-lastest/ breezy main"
[08:39] <hunger> jpatrick: Will this go into dapper?
[08:39] <Riddell> latest doesn't point yet
[08:39] <Riddell> hunger: I need people to test the dapper packages too
[08:39] <allee> Riddell: where?
[08:39] <Riddell> and if they work I'll ask to put it into dapper
[08:40] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ ./
[08:40] <allee> upgradign ...
[08:42] <allee> koffice not ready yet?  krita: Kollidiert: koffice-libs (< 1:1.5.1) aber 1:1.4.2-3ubuntu8 soll installiert werden.
[08:42] <jpatrick> whatever that meant
[08:42] <jpatrick> ;)
[08:42] <allee> oh, shit.
[08:43] <allee> krita uninstallable. conflicts with ((< 1:1.5.1)  but 1:1.4.2-3ubuntu8 is to be installed
[08:44] <Riddell> hmm, that's not good, I'll fix that allee
[08:45] <allee> uhm LC_ALL and LANG setting ignored by aptitude. errmsg still german :(
[08:45] <hunger> Riddell: I am already downloading the dapper-testing debs:-)
[08:47] <Tm_T> heh, I'm using KDE 3.5.1 from testing debs
[08:47] <Tm_T> no problems noticed
[08:48] <hunger> Riddell: krita and koffice won't install due to version conflicts.
[08:56] <allee> koffice crashed on first start after I closed the slashscreen and the digikam project was reloaded ...
[08:56] <allee> s/koffice/kdevelop/
[08:56] <allee> when I started kdevelop the second, third time, no splash and not crash after project was loaded.
[08:57] <allee> fwiw.  that's without logout/in
[09:00] <hunger> allee: So far I have not managed to have kdevelop not crash on me:-(
[09:00] <hunger> allee: No version of kdevelop ever worked here:-(
[09:01] <allee> hunger: :)
[09:02] <allee> okay time for reboot, can't hurt ...
[09:03] <hunger> Riddell: Everything upgraded fine (apart of koffice and krita).
[09:06] <tobias___> Riddell: All looks good so far.
[09:06] <tobias___> Riddell: cpu_freq is still broken in ksysguard...
[09:07] <jjesse> has anyone been following the discussion on shutdown on kubuntu-users group?  can someone confirm what is happening?
[09:08] <jjesse> kubuntu-users mailing list that is
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: no pb with 3.5.1 on breezy for the moment
[09:13] <Tonio_> are there specific tests to perform ?
[09:13] <Tonio_> I can't find a decent changelog...........
[09:16] <Tonio_> except concerning bugfixes of course
[09:22] <jpatrick> I'm off
[09:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5to3_5_1.php
[09:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: dapper or breezy?
[09:29] <Riddell> tobias___: rather
[09:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: Breezy
[09:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, the changelog is about only bugfixes, that's why I couldn(t find anything else ;)
[09:32] <Riddell> it's a bugfix release :)
[09:43] <allee> no bugs yet here with 3.5.1
[09:50] <allee> oh :(  / /home /srv are again visible in media:/  again
[09:51] <allee> why isn't k3b the default app for blank CD media?
[09:59] <Sime> sebas: ping
[10:00] <Sime> sebas: als je een svn up doet van guidance, dan kan je displayconfig uitproberen en kijk of je nvidia gfxcard gevonden wordt.


[08:48] <ari-tczew> is there any ppa for arm64 / ppc64el? I found probably a patch to fix FTBFS on such archs, but I wouldn't  do mess up in -proposed...
[08:56] <ari-tczew> or another way, can someone take a look on following buildlog and give a feedback, whether enabling dh-autoreconf should fix that FTBFS? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/200243699/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-ppc64el.blktap_2.0.90-3ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:58] <mitya57> ari-tczew: enabling autoreconf won't fix it
[08:58] <ari-tczew> mitya57: ok thanks, also upstream problem
[09:01] <ari-tczew> mitya57: what do you think, is now better way to disable compiling blktap on arm64 and ppc64el? our delta is: Architecture: i386 amd64 -> Architecture: linux-any
[09:02] <mitya57> Actually that error (uninitialized variable) does not look architecture-specific at all
[09:03]  * ogra_ hugs infinity ... (initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch builds again )
[09:07] <mitya57> hm, maybe it's a false positive
[09:09] <mitya57> ari-tczew: looks like it is a false positive: vhd_footer_offset_at_eof(ctx, &end) will either initialize end or return an exit code, which will be handled
[09:12] <mitya57> a simple "end = 0;" before "err  = vhd_footer_offset_at_eof(ctx, &end);" will make it compile without that warning
[09:24] <ari-tczew> mitya57: wow, nice. however, in such cases ppa for arm64 / ppc64el would be useful... anyway I have to test your fix through -proposed
[09:29] <mitya57> there are landing ppas with all 6 architectures, but a very limited set of people can upload to it
[09:35] <ari-tczew> mitya57: ok, so if it's very limited for VIPs, then I'll push a patch to vivid-proposed without any doubts
[09:36] <mitya57> yes
[11:03] <ari-tczew> mitya57: Well, I was trying to build your fix, but now it fails with the same error on i386, as well :)
[11:05]  * mitya57 looks
[11:06] <mitya57> oh, not i386, but arm64
[11:07] <mitya57> ari-tczew: or do you mean that it fails locally?
[11:07] <ari-tczew> mitya57: locally
[11:08] <ari-tczew> @pbuilder
[11:08] <udevbot> Error: "pbuilder" is not a valid command.
[11:09] <mitya57> do you have the build log?
[11:09] <mitya57> and paste the patch that you applied, please
[11:10] <ari-tczew> mitya57: build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10650875/
[11:10] <mitya57> well, you didn't include the ';'
[11:12] <mitya57> actually even if you (or I) fix it, it won't migrate because of a different error
[11:12] <mitya57> "blktap-utils/powerpc unsatisfiable Depends: blktap-dkms"
[11:13] <mitya57> let me fix it
[11:13] <ari-tczew> mitya57: odd, lame bug
[11:14]  * ari-tczew is hiding himself underground
[11:16] <ari-tczew> mitya57: how are you going to fix unsatisfiable depends if there is no arch provided by blktap-dkms?
[11:19] <mitya57> I'm going to check if blktap-dkms builds on powerpc
[11:21] <ari-tczew> mitya57: have you got a powerpc or do you have an access to VIP's ppa? :)
[11:23] <mitya57> Both :)
[11:23] <mitya57> well, not my powerpc, but I can test on Debian's porter boxes
[11:24] <ari-tczew> mitya57: is it possible to build fine that package on Debian, but on Ubuntu's builder will FTBFS?
[11:25] <mitya57> I don't think there will be any difference between Debian and Ubuntu here
[11:27] <ari-tczew> ok
[11:45] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, that fakechroot behaviour is irritating.
[11:45] <infinity> ogra_: But I guess I don't update glibc to new upstream versions more than once every six months, so not world-ending.
[11:45] <ogra_> infinity, well, the prob is that you cant tell debootstrap to use proposed :)
[11:47] <infinity> ogra_: Yeah, I've been considering fixing that.  Well, not proposed specifically, but extra sources, so that preseed netinst installs can debootstrap from updates instead of doing release-pocket-then-upgrade.
[11:48] <ogra_> oh, that would be cool ... i can imagine that restriction bites in other places too
[11:48] <infinity> ogra_: But debootstrap used to be pretty sensitive to Packages ordering (there's a bit of dumb luck involved), so just concatenating Packages files, which would be the naive way to fix it, might break things.
[11:49] <infinity> ogra_: I think the "right" way to do it would be to pull all the source you asked for and then interlace them, or maybe even supersede old entries with new, but that's a lot more work, given debootstrap's generally simple architecture.
[11:49] <ogra_> yeah
[11:55] <jhenke> hi are there any known problems with the dns resolution after boot? Here it just works after cycling all connections once
[11:55] <jhenke> bug #1434986
[19:16] <infinity> Riddell: Your new upstream version of libgit2 is incompatible with one of its only 2 rdeps (libgit2-glib).
[19:19] <Riddell> infinity: libgit2-glib needs to fix its abi https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-February/038683.html
[19:20] <infinity> Riddell: Whee.  Has anyone told upstream that they broke ABI?
[19:21] <Riddell> infinity: not that I know of
[19:21] <infinity> Riddell: Oh, wait, that's a .0 SOVER, I imagine ABI breaking is something they feel within their rights to do.
[19:21] <infinity> Riddell: So, the right thing to do would just be to declare a versioned Breaks on gitg (<< 3.15) and carry on, I imagine.
[19:23] <Riddell> infinity: gotcha, I'll add it to my todo
[19:24] <infinity> Riddell: Ta.  It's the only thing in NBS right now, so it was sticking out like a sore thumb, hence my poking at it.
[19:28] <Noskcaj> infinity, Riddell: Should libgit2-glib 0.22.0 be packaged?
[19:30] <Noskcaj> and the required gitg patches
[19:31] <Riddell> Noskcaj: yes please :)
[20:25] <Noskcaj> Riddell, both are in ppa:noskcaj/staging
[20:26] <Noskcaj> Do i need to file a new FFe, or is there an existing one i should add this to?


[09:06] <EnglishQQ> hey guys, i have a question regarding English, is this correct? "See and share upcoming events, store your membership card, get navigation instructions, and get ready to party!"
[18:52] <BobJonkman2> If EnglishQQ comes back, someone tell him that's correct :)
[18:52] <BobJonkman2> See you all in about four hours for the IRC meeting?
[22:41] <Seven_Six_Two> how long is the 7pm meeting expected to last?
[22:50] <BobJonkman> Hi Seven_Six_Two: No more than an hour
[22:50] <BobJonkman> Since the agenda is sparse, probably less
[22:53] <Seven_Six_Two> alright. That sounds good. I think the kids will be asleep anyhow
[22:54] <BobJonkman2> For the keeners, the agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-06-27
[22:54] <BobJonkman2> Must be young kids.  Mine is usually up 'til four in the morning...
[22:55] <Seven_Six_Two> lol. 2 and 5
[22:55] <BobJonkman2> 21
[22:55] <BobJonkman2> ... and don't ask how I know he's up 'til four in the morning...
[22:55] <Seven_Six_Two> uh oh. I have to go for a few minutes. I'll be back asap. Oh, I nerd out too, so those are my normal hours.
[22:57] <BobJonkman2> s'OK.  I'll do an all-call when we get going; your IRC client might alert you...
[23:00] <BobJonkman2> #startmeeting Ubuntu Canada IRC meeting
[23:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 27 23:00:26 2013 UTC.  The chair is BobJonkman2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[23:00] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired
[23:00] <BobJonkman2> Here we go!  Hey, everybodeee! Seven_Six_Two SergioMeneses rgreening philballew FiReSTaRT bregma egerlach DarwinSurvivor txwikinger2 BobJonkman2 mars genii ryanakca KombuchaKip sipherdee jlamothe Chex azend jaguar cyphermox
[23:01] <BobJonkman2> #topic Introductions
[23:01] <BobJonkman2> Seems like dscassel isn't here today, so I'll be hosting the meeting.
[23:02] <BobJonkman2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2013/2013-06-27 is the current agenda...You can find an agenda at
[23:02] <BobJonkman2> :D
[23:03] <BobJonkman2> I'm Bob Jonkman from Elmira, Ontario (just north of Waterloo).  I'm one of the contacts for Ubuntu Canada
[23:03] <Seven_Six_Two> Hi! I'm new to here, but not to linux or Ubuntu
[23:03] <Seven_Six_Two> Jean-Paul Sauve
[23:03] <BobJonkman2> Great to have you, Seven_Six_Two!
[23:04] <Seven_Six_Two> Thanks. I'm excited to see if I can spark local interest in linux
[23:04] <BobJonkman2> It's a reasonably nice summer day in EDT, so there may not be much participation today
[23:04] <Seven_Six_Two> It's seems that way
[23:05] <Seven_Six_Two> oh, and I'm from London.
[23:05] <BobJonkman2> So, as people trickle in, feel free to jump in with your introduction at any time
[23:05] <Seven_Six_Two> kk
[23:05] <BobJonkman2> Great to see stuff happening in London. Why don't we...
[23:05] <BobJonkman2> #topic Other Stuff
[23:06] <BobJonkman2> #subtopic London!
[23:06] <BobJonkman2> So, Seven_Six_Two, how are things in London?
[23:06] <Seven_Six_Two> To be honest, I meet users, but I've only ever found the seldom-used mailing list.
[23:07] <BobJonkman2> I see you've created the London page on the Ubuntu-ca wiki
[23:07] <BobJonkman2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/London
[23:07] <Seven_Six_Two> I tried to start a LUG and website a number of years ago, but the person maintaining the mailing list on googlegroups was very negative and not at all welcoming. He said that his users don't need a website.
[23:07] <BobJonkman2> And I see a nice page at http://lolug.ca/
[23:08] <Seven_Six_Two> hahaha... "his users"
[23:08] <Seven_Six_Two> Thanks. It's not even close to being ready, as I'm working on a listserv, and oath login.
[23:08] <BobJonkman2> I think I'm still subscribed to a Google Groups mailing list for LOLUG
[23:09] <Seven_Six_Two> I don't think that there's been a post in over 6 months
[23:09] <Seven_Six_Two> The website that is listed on the googlegroup is for a vox blog. Vox is gone!
[23:09] <BobJonkman2> Don't worry too much about making the page and the mailing list perfect.  As the Vancouver chapter points out to us, it's the connection with local Ubuntu users that counts
[23:10] <Seven_Six_Two> That's a good point.
[23:10] <BobJonkman2> The last message I've got archived from the LOLUG Google list is from September 2009.
[23:10] <Seven_Six_Two> who does your mailing list Bob?
[23:11] <BobJonkman2> The Ubuntu Canada mailing list is hosted by Canonical (I think), and the Ubuntu-ca-kw list comes from the Launchpad site.
[23:12] <Seven_Six_Two> is Ubuntu-ca-kw affiliated with kwlug?
[23:12] <BobJonkman2> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-waterloo-region
[23:12] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks@
[23:12] <BobJonkman2> KWLUG is the umbrella Linux Users Group in Kitchener-Waterloo, and there's a lot of overlap between members
[23:13] <Seven_Six_Two> great!
[23:13] <BobJonkman2> But there are a lot of KWLUG members that I never see in Ubuntu-ca-kw, and a few Ubuntu-ca-kw members who don't come to KWLUG meetings
[23:14] <Seven_Six_Two> Well I hope I can find a good group of people. I'm interested to check out the unlab
[23:14] <BobJonkman2> I would think the easiest way to get started is to announce an Ubuntu Hour in London, then go sit at a coffee shop for an hour and see who shows up.
[23:14] <BobJonkman2> Feel free to announce it on the Ubuntu-ca list, and on the Ubuntu-ca-kw list too.
[23:14] <Seven_Six_Two> Alright. I'll give that a go.
[23:14] <BobJonkman2> And even on the KWLUG list.  There are some people from London who come to KWLUG meetings
[23:16] <BobJonkman2> If you want, I can see what's needed to set up a Launchpad page for Ubuntu-ca-london
[23:16] <Seven_Six_Two> sure, that would be great. I'll take a look as well
[23:17] <BobJonkman2> #action BobJonkman2  to see what's needed to create an Ubuntu-ca-london page on Launchpad
[23:17] <meetingology> ACTION: BobJonkman2  to see what's needed to create an Ubuntu-ca-london page on Launchpad
[23:20] <BobJonkman2> Well, let's move back to...
[23:20] <BobJonkman2> #topic: Events
[23:21] <BobJonkman2> There's not much on the agenda...
[23:21] <BobJonkman2> #subtopic Ubuntu Hours
[23:21] <BobJonkman2> Sadly, azend wasn't able to host the Ubuntu Hour in Guelph
[23:22] <KombuchaKip> Hey folks. My name's Kip. I'm from just outside of Vancouver. I'm project lead behind the Avaneya initiative, a cerebral science fiction game for GNU.
[23:22] <BobJonkman2> (which would be on right now, having the IRC chat IRL
[23:22] <BobJonkman2> Hi KombuchaKip!
[23:22]  * KombuchaKip waves at BobJonkman2
[23:23]  * BobJonkman2 thought everyone might be out for summer recess...
[23:23] <jmcveity> Hi. I'm James.  I'm from Windsor, ON.
[23:24] <BobJonkman2> And Hi to jmcveity! Glad to have you!
[23:24] <BobJonkman2> How's the Ubuntu scene in Windsor?
[23:25] <jmcveity> Thanks Bob.  Never been in an irc meeting before.  I'm not too sure if there is an ubuntu scene here.
[23:26] <BobJonkman2> Might be a hidden, underground Ubuntu scene.  Very cloak'n'dagger :)
[23:26] <jmcveity> I found a website for a unix group but it seems to be defunct.
[23:27] <BobJonkman2> I see at least one guy from Windsor on the wiki:
[23:28] <BobJonkman2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Members#line-128
[23:29] <BobJonkman2> Ah, this looks to be a Windsor LUG:
[23:29] <BobJonkman2> http://www.wuug.org/
[23:29] <BobJonkman2> Maybe not Linux, but Unix...
[23:29] <Seven_Six_Two> check last post dates, bob
[23:29] <jmcveity> Doesn't seem to be active though.  Loaded with spam.   There should be more than a few titles "Burning doesn't work. Please Help"
[23:32] <jmcveity> Seven_Six_Two.  Nice to see things happening in London.   There's nothing happening here (yet)
[23:32] <jmcveity> Sounds like a daunting task
[23:32] <Seven_Six_Two> That's my goal for the summer.
[23:33] <jmcveity> Very cool.
[23:33] <Seven_Six_Two> I have to switch to my laptop, so I'll be back with the most (apparently) annoying nick ever.
[23:34] <BobJonkman2> Easiest way to get folks involved is to announce something like an Ubuntu Hour in Windsor, then go do that.  That's about as much effort as is required for planning and execution...
[23:35] <BobJonkman2> So, jmcveity, feel free to use the Ubuntu Canada mailing list to announce an Ubuntu Hour. Also the Ubuntu-ca-kw list, and even the KWLUG mailing list.
[23:35] <BobJonkman2> And feel free to create a page for Windsor on the Canadian Team wiki:
[23:35] <BobJonkman2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/
[23:36] <_______________-> Hi all
[23:36] <BobJonkman2> Hello _______________- !
[23:36] <jmcveity> Sounds like a good idea.  Thanks.
[23:38] <jmcveity> I'm a member of the list and I think I'm a member of the launchpad site but not the wiki?
[23:38] <BobJonkman2> If you're on Launchpad you can use that login for the Ubuntu wiki too
[23:39] <jmcveity> Okay
[23:39] <BobJonkman2> I was hoping there would be a couple more people from KW here today.  Charles McColm (chaslinux) normally hosts the Ubuntu Hour Kitchener
[23:39] <BobJonkman2> But he'll be away on holiday next week, and wants someone else to host.
[23:40] <BobJonkman2> So that might be me...
[23:40] <BobJonkman2> Fortunately, hosting is nothing more complicated than showing up first.
[23:40] <jmcveity> Any suggestions on the best times of day or days of week to host an Ubuntu hour?
[23:40] <BobJonkman2> And even that's optional.
[23:40] <_______________-> only that the time stay the same
[23:41] <BobJonkman2> jmcveity: In KW there is a lot of tech activity that happens at the beginning of the week (Mon, Tue, Wed), but THursday, Friday seem to be pretty sparse for tech activity.
[23:41] <_______________-> second saturday 4pm
[23:41] <BobJonkman2> So, either that means you'd get good attendance on Mon, Tue, Wed, because everyone's expecting events then...
[23:42] <BobJonkman2> Or everyone
[23:42] <_______________-> I think it depends on the kind of users you'd like to meet.
[23:42] <BobJonkman2> Or everyone's too busy on Mon, Tue, Wed with existing events, and Thu, Fri might be a better choice.
[23:43] <BobJonkman2> We've had the Ubuntu Hour Waterloo bounce all over the place over the last few years.
[23:44] <BobJonkman2> Either the place closed early in the winter months; another place didn't honour our reservations in the summer months, and a third place had food that might have been too exotic for Waterloo Ubuntians...  (Schawarma Poutine, anyone?)
[23:44] <jmcveity> I think in a smaller city I'd just want to pick a day and time that would be convenient for any type of user.
[23:44] <BobJonkman2> Several groups in Quebec hold weekly Ubuntu Hours.
[23:45] <_______________-> jmcveity, no such thing!
[23:45] <_______________-> but afternoon would likely be better than morning
[23:45] <BobJonkman2> If you find yourself at a coffee shop, or restaurant, or pub on a regular basis, then just declare that an Ubuntu Hour.
[23:45] <BobJonkman2> Could be some place down the street you go to for lunch...
[23:47] <BobJonkman2> In a University town like Waterloo the summer might be sparse for attendance (all the students are gone).
[23:47] <BobJonkman2> Basically, just try something, and if it works, stick with it.
[23:47] <jmcveity> Make sense. So if no one else shows up I still have fun.
[23:47] <BobJonkman2> Exactly.  I've hosted many Ubuntu Hours where I was the only one there.
[23:48] <BobJonkman2> For a while I was working afternoon shifts one day a week, so I went to a local coffee shop to waste some time in the morning, and called that an Ubuntu Hour.
[23:48] <BobJonkman2> After a few weeks of making the announcement, people actually started coming!
[23:49] <jmcveity> Nice. That must have been exciting.
[23:50] <BobJonkman2> Kinda cool.
[23:52] <jmcveity> I have to go now.  Thanks for the info and ideas.
[23:52] <BobJonkman2> Great having you here, jmcveity!
[23:53] <BobJonkman2> Let us know if you do any Ubuntu related stuff in Windsor!
[23:53] <jmcveity> Good chatting Bob.  Thanks again.  Will do!
[23:55] <BobJonkman2> OK, that pretty much exhausts the agenda...
[23:56] <_______________-> It was good to meet everyone. I (and my other nick, Seven_Six_Two ) will  be continuing in #freenode, #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, and ##psychology
[23:56] <BobJonkman2> If you get the chance, check out ##coffeeclub, hosted by JuanValdez
[23:57] <BobJonkman2> I think genii (aka genii-around) may have been responsible for that.
[23:58] <BobJonkman2> Everyone OK with meeting again on the fourth Thursday of July?
[23:59] <BobJonkman2> I think that's 25 July.
[23:59] <BobJonkman2> I'm not sure if 4:00pm PDT is too early for the folks on the West Coast...