[12:31] <Dylan_> Can i skip select and install packages in the install?
[12:34] <Dylan_> grazie: It worked! Thanks. I rebooted and typed in my login and password, then it came up with dylan@localhoast:~$
[12:35] <Jester45> anyone her like to explain what a PCI-bus slot cpu card is and/or ISA-bus and/or Slot CPU card accessories ---> link --> http://www.advantech.gr/products/sub_category.asp-Category_ID=1-1TH71W&BU=ACG.htm
[12:35] <Jester45> hi
[12:36] <Jester45> is it a mini computer? that uses the pci slot for power? or just a cpu? linux compatible
[12:36] <grazie> Dylan_: I'm confused...what worked?
[12:36] <Dylan_> grazie: the installation, but i can skip select and install step right?
[12:36] <Jester45> no i dont think so
[12:38] <grazie> Jester45: I don't know what I'm being asked...
[12:39] <grazie> Dylan_: you've installed xbuntu, yes?
[12:39] <Jester45> grazie: go to the above link and explain to me what those are
[12:40] <Dylan_> grazie: yeah, but its not working, i skipped a step in the installation process
[12:41] <grazie> Jester45: look like motherboards for small devices to me
[12:41] <grazie> Dylan_: what step did you skip?
[12:44] <Jester45> grazie: they plug into pci slots
[12:45] <grazie> Jester45: some kind of development platform? new to me...
[12:46] <Jester45> i think they are mini computers
[12:46] <Jester45> one has 8 usb ports intergrated video and a 1gb ram slo
[12:46] <Jester45> t
[12:47] <Darkkish> O.O What are we talking about?
[12:47] <Jester45> http://www.advantech.gr/products/sub_category.asp-Category_ID=1-1TH71W&BU=ACG.htm
[12:48] <Jester45> those things
[12:48] <cellofellow> what? ANOTHER Firefox security update? Hope this gets swiftfox-ized soon.
[12:49] <cellofellow> cool, already is/
[12:50] <Darkkish> interesting
[12:50] <Jester45> is they are mini computers...
[12:51] <Dylan_> garzie: i skipped the setting up network(but that shouldn't have hurt it)and the select and install software
[12:51] <Jester45> i got 4 pci slots for them
[12:51] <Darkkish> lol jester
[12:51] <Jester45> and a unused motherboard with a 133mhz in it
[12:51] <Jester45> get a new power supply and then used that as power for a few more
[12:51] <Darkkish> cellofellow is that alot nicer than regular FF and can you use regular FF extensions very well?
[12:52] <cellofellow> Darkkish: all the extensions and everything else work perfectly. The underside stuff is optimized for Linux and specific CPU's.
[12:52] <Jester45> yes regular extensions work
[12:52] <Jester45> its lgihter and faster
[12:52] <cellofellow> getswiftfox.com
[12:53] <cellofellow> plugins, extensions, themes, page rendering. All works identically.
[12:53] <Darkkish> neat cellofellow
[12:53] <Darkkish> cellofellow is it faster or something?
[12:53] <cellofellow> click the Debian link.
[12:53] <cellofellow> plenty faster, especially at startup time.
[12:54] <Darkkish> this is my good comp but i don' thave linux installed right now
[12:54] <Darkkish> on this one
[12:54] <Darkkish> its an athlon64 3500+
[12:54] <cellofellow> oh, :) :(
[12:54] <cellofellow> there's athlon-specific versions of Swiftfox. I get the PIII version.
[12:54] <Darkkish> pretty soon i'm going to get a faster processer, more ram, and a faster Gfx card... i'm thinking about just buying a new case and mobo to go with it.
[12:55] <Darkkish> yeah my lappy with xubuntu is PIII
[12:55] <Jester45> Darkkish: if you did that then it wouldnt really be the same comp
[12:55] <Darkkish> Jester45 exactly.
[12:55] <Darkkish> two nice compys :)
[12:55] <Jester45> you could just get a2nd processor 2 ram 2 gfx card and so one and have 2 comptuers
[12:56] <Darkkish> yep
[12:56] <Darkkish> what am i missing...
[12:56] <Darkkish> gfx card, ram, harddrive, mobo, case, psu, cpu
[12:56] <Darkkish> thats everything right?
[12:56] <Darkkish> aside from a moniter, speakers and keyboard/mouse of course.
[12:57] <Jester45> cd drive
[12:57] <Jester45> but thats not NEEDED
[12:58] <Darkkish> yeah but it is if i plan to install an OS on it :p
[12:58] <Darkkish> well almost...
[12:58] <Jester45> you coulse just use the drive from the 1st computer
[12:58] <Jester45> to install then your be fine
[12:58] <Jester45> use network or usb to transfer files
[12:59] <Darkkish> yeah... but CD Drives are cheap
[12:59] <Darkkish> I'd get a DVD +/- RW burner
[12:59] <Jester45> yea
[12:59] <Darkkish> this is what i plan to put into my new comp
[01:00] <Darkkish> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ (or higher (maybe)), 2GB Kingston or Corsair ram, GeForce 7900GT, some Asus mobo w/ sli and all the goodies...
[01:01] <Darkkish> and a 200GB WD HDD
[01:01] <Darkkish> thats what i'm aiming for.
[01:01] <Darkkish> i'll probably buy the parts and assemble it over the course of 1 or 2 months.
[01:01] <BFTD> Darkkish don't waste our money on SLi
[01:01] <Jester45> im looking at Intel Pentium 4 or D, a 700 watt power suppy with 160 mm fan, ninja cpu cooler, geforce 7900 gtx, 4gb ram
[01:01] <BFTD> to much cost for too little of an improvemnt
[01:01] <Darkkish> lol i just want an sli mobo, i don't actually have sli cards, because i agree with you
[01:01] <BFTD> yeah thats ok
[01:02] <Darkkish> ASUS makes really nice nforce mobos which come with SLi usually
[01:02] <Darkkish> 700 watts?
[01:02] <Darkkish> its a computer not an overn
[01:02] <Darkkish> oven*
[01:03] <Jester45> ??
[01:03] <BFTD> I have 1100 watts in mine
[01:03] <Jester45> you probly have a 300 or more
[01:03] <Darkkish> lol BFTD wtf?
[01:03] <Darkkish> i have 500
[01:03] <BFTD> I would suggesting going with anything less then 500watts
[01:03] <Darkkish> right now i have an AMD 3500+ with a geforce 6600GT
[01:03] <BFTD> Darkkish yeah I have 2 PSU's in it
[01:04] <Darkkish> BFTD why?
[01:04] <BFTD> a 500 and a 600
[01:04] <Darkkish> do you just enjoy high elec bills?
[01:04] <Darkkish> :p
[01:04] <BFTD> Darkkish I ran out of conectors, I didn't have a y splitter so i just the extra psu
[01:05] <Darkkish> Lol
[01:05] <BFTD> Darkkish it only usues about 400 watts of it
[01:05] <Darkkish> yeah usually :p
[01:05] <Darkkish> holy shit
[01:05] <Darkkish> you should see the price on these athlon X2s
[01:05] <Darkkish> its insane
[01:05] <Darkkish> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103759
[01:05] <BFTD> Darkkish lets move this subject over too #xubuntu-offtopic
[01:06] <BFTD> Darkkish thats a great deal, you should get it
[01:06] <BFTD> :)
[01:06] <Darkkish> sorry BFTD :p
[01:08] <cellofellow> bug 30791
[01:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30791 in firefox "firefox 1.4.99 upgrade still have compreg.dat, creates issue" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30791
[01:09] <cellofellow> hello little bor
[01:09] <cellofellow> bro*
[01:09] <DuMonkey> i'm not BORING
[01:09] <DuMonkey> u r
[01:10] <cellofellow> when did I say you were?
[01:10] <DuMonkey> what's all the other names on the right
[01:10] <cellofellow> people in here.
[01:10] <DuMonkey> they're not talking
[01:11] <cellofellow> shut up and listen.
[01:11] <DuMonkey> to what????????
[01:11] <DuMonkey> :| ?
[01:11] <cellofellow> the ops kickbanning you for spamming up the channel.
[01:11] <DuMonkey> what?
[01:11] <posingaspopular> yea im here listening
[01:12] <cellofellow> :D
[01:12] <posingaspopular> no one is SAYING anything really important though
[01:12] <posingaspopular> plus im doing hw
[01:12] <DuMonkey> I don't know anything about XUBUNTU
[01:12] <DuMonkey> !
[01:12] <cellofellow> well, leave the channel then.
[01:12] <DuMonkey> ok
[01:13] <DuMonkey> i will
[01:13] <Darkkish> lol bye
[01:15] <BrendanM> what the heck was that about?
[01:15] <cellofellow> my kid brother.
[01:15] <posingaspopular> ha he actually left?
[01:15] <posingaspopular> cellofellow: my older brother got me into ubuntu
[01:16] <posingaspopular> he runs kubuntu exclusivly though
[01:16] <cellofellow> My brother likes ubuntu better too, he just isn't a geek kid.
[01:16] <posingaspopular> i run edubuntu on one comp, kubuntu on another, trying to get a new hd for xubuntu
[01:16] <posingaspopular> ahhh yea im not TOO big into the coding, doc, w/e stuff
[01:17] <posingaspopular> but im big into the freedom
[01:17] <posingaspopular> and helping out wherever i can
[01:17] <cellofellow> xubuntu on here, Win98 on the box he's using, and still fighting to get Xubuntu on it.
[01:18] <cellofellow> It really needs a reinstall of SOMETHING. I figure I if I buy a new copy of Win98 and then dual-boot everbody will be happy.
[01:18] <posingaspopular> windows 98? why touch that stuff?
[01:18] <Jester45> its lightweight
[01:18] <cellofellow> and some people still need Windows here.
[01:18] <posingaspopular> where is here?
[01:19] <cellofellow> my house
[01:19] <posingaspopular> oh... but why do they needs windows?
[01:19] <BrendanM> Have you tried any of the utilities that strip down windows 98? Some of those are really cool
[01:19] <cellofellow> I still can't get Noteworthy Composer or an equivilant to run on Linux.
[01:19] <posingaspopular> hmm what is noteworthy
[01:19] <BrendanM> there's one that replaces the Win98 shell with the Win95 one, and it flies
[01:20] <cellofellow> posingaspopular: notation and midi (music stuff) program my mom uses.
[01:20] <cellofellow> BrendanM: I think I would like something with the more robust NT core instead of the clunky DOS core.
[01:21] <BrendanM> http://www.litepc.com/98lite.html
[01:21] <posingaspopular> ahh i see
[01:21] <cellofellow> there's also litestep.
[01:21] <BrendanM> That's true, but Win98 was relatively stable as far as non-NT-based Windows goes
[01:22] <cellofellow> I tried NoteEdit, which had notation capablities to surpass NoteWorthy, but I can't get it to output to ALSA, as it is ONLY midi.  She needs something that does 3 things: 1) Easy input of notes with buttons AND keystrokes. 2) Plays output to speakers. 3) Plays output and notates input from the digital piano.
[01:30] <topo> alguien que hable espaol
[01:30] <Jester45> any advice on srinking my prartion
[01:30] <cellofellow> !es
[01:30] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:30] <Jester45> whats the chance of messing up my stuff
[01:30] <topo> cellofellow, men
[01:31] <cellofellow> I've done that, using gparted. back up the partition that will get BIGGER, and make sure there is little fragmentation in the part that will get smaller.
[01:32] <Jester45> ok i got 2 partions
[01:32] <Jester45> install and swap
[01:32] <Jester45> i want to srink the OS part
[01:32] <Jester45> OS and swap
[01:35] <cellofellow> just swapoff /dev/thepart and use gparted, then swapon /dev/thepart
[01:36] <Jester45> so i would need to use a live cd them
[01:36] <Jester45> then
[01:37] <cellofellow> yeah
[01:37] <cellofellow> but the livecd will still use that swap partition and won't let you resize it, so you'll have to swapoff.
[01:37] <Jester45> ok
[01:37] <Jester45> well
[01:37] <Jester45> im going to resize my OS partition
[01:38] <cellofellow> I have 4 partitions on 3 drives. OS and Swap on one, /home on another, and /media/little-disk on another.
[01:39] <Jester45> lol
[01:40] <Jester45> my media part is like 100gb then swap is 10 and OS is using umm 10ish
[01:40] <maxamillion> jeebus
[01:40] <maxamillion> sooo much used space
[01:41] <Jester45> well...
[01:41] <Jester45> thats on this computer
[01:43] <Jester45> i got used in my house
[01:43] <Jester45> over a tb
[01:44] <maxamillion> jeebus
[01:44] <maxamillion> i just don't have that much stuff ... i stream all my music from shoutcast and all i do is school work and code
[01:46] <Jester45> i stream my music from my fileserver
[01:46] <Jester45> and movies
[01:46] <Jester45> and games
[01:46] <Jester45> and everything else
[01:46] <Malfist> How can I set a program to autostart?
[01:46] <Malfist> quit
[01:47] <cellofellow> well, that's not right
[01:50] <Jester45> lol
[01:50] <Jester45> cellofellow: so resizing the OS partition should work?
[01:50] <cellofellow> should be perfectly fine.
[01:51] <Jester45> ok
[01:51] <Jester45> now
[01:52] <Jester45> how could i go about booting to the 2nd partion
[01:52] <Jester45> if my computer doesn't have usb keyboard ablity and thats all i have
[01:53] <cellofellow> ummm. so the BIOS won't use USB keyboard?
[01:53] <cellofellow> grub should though.
[01:54] <Darkkish> Jester45 at radio shack
[01:54] <Darkkish> you can buy thoes little USB/PS2 connectors for pretty cheap
[01:54] <Darkkish> or you could just check craigslist for free ps2 keyboards in your area
[01:55] <Jester45> yes i had one but i broke it
[01:55] <Jester45> and i cant to go store right now
[01:55] <Jester45> and i wanna boot to it right now
[01:56] <cellofellow> you gotta have a ps/2 keyboard somewhere. I got a drawer full of things like keyboards and mice.
[01:57] <Jester45> nope none that i can use
[02:10] <Darkkish> Jester45 what do you mean that you can use?
[02:10] <cellofellow> ps/2 keyboards
[02:11] <Jester45> i know what they are i have one in the house but i cant use it
[02:11] <Jester45> its connected to my xbox
[02:11] <Jester45> long story
[02:11] <cellofellow> ps/2 connected to xbox?
[02:12] <Jester45> yes
[02:13] <Jester45> complicated
[02:14] <cellofellow> If I got an XBox, I'd have to promise to my parents to hack it. They don't like video games.
[02:14] <cellofellow> I wonder if tuxracer would run on a hacked xbox.
[02:16] <kalikiana> cellofellow, I guess tuxracer would be slow, with no accelerated gfx :/
[02:17] <cellofellow> xbox has no acceleration?
[02:17] <kalikiana> yes the xbox does, but there is no linux driver as far as i know
[02:18] <kalikiana> unless 700mhz can do everything in software mode ;)
[02:20] <Malfist> Can anyone tell me how to ste a program to autostart? I have a memory and CPU monitor I want to autostart
[02:21] <cellofellow> add them to Applications -> Settings -> Autostarted Applications
[02:21] <Malfist> I saw that but I don't know how to add it
[02:21] <Malfist> it's name under the menu is CPU/Mem monitor
[02:22] <Malfist> what would that command be?
[02:22] <cellofellow> I think you can drag and drop into the Autostarted Apps thing from the AppFinder in Applications -> Accesories.
[02:22] <Malfist> oh
[02:22] <Malfist> I'll try
[02:23] <Malfist> No, didn't work
[02:24] <Malfist> the program is in the repositories
[02:24] <cellofellow> ummm
[02:25] <Malfist> What would be the command to launch it?
[02:25] <Malfist> would it just be CPU/Mem Monitor?
[02:26] <cellofellow> no
[02:26] <cellofellow> what's it really called. In lowercase without slashes
[02:26] <cellofellow> when you installed it
[02:26] <Malfist> what do you mean?
[02:26] <Malfist> I got it from the standard thingy not the package manager
[02:27] <Malfist> the add/remove
[02:27] <cellofellow> oh :/
[02:27] <cellofellow> you can just use the System Stats or whatever it's called applet for the panel.
[02:27] <Malfist> ?
[02:27] <cellofellow> you can add those things to the taskbar/panel
[02:28] <maxamillion> !htop
[02:28] <maxamillion> :)
[02:28] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-1 (edgy), package size 42 kB, installed size 172 kB
[02:28] <cellofellow> htop will tell you the command that was run for a process. Nice part about it.
[02:28] <Malfist> you've lost me
[02:29] <Malfist> add what to the taskbar/panel?
[02:29] <cellofellow> cpu and memory monitors
[02:29] <Malfist> how do I add it to the taskbar?
[02:29] <cellofellow> right click, click Add Items, and then scroll around
[02:29] <j1mc> !atop
[02:29] <ubotu> atop: Monitor for system resources and process activity. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.16-2 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 200 kB
[02:29] <maxamillion> atop?
[02:30] <Malfist> apt-getting atop
[02:30] <j1mc> i just read about it in "linux format"
[02:30] <Malfist> and htop
[02:31] <Malfist> in add item it calls it cpu graph
[02:31] <Malfist> would that be the command?
[02:31] <maxamillion> j1mc: have you tried htop?
[02:31] <j1mc> no
[02:31] <maxamillion> Malfist: it should be
[02:31] <maxamillion> j1mc: you should give it a shot
[02:32] <j1mc> cool.  i will check it out.
[02:32] <Malfist> it doesn't stick
[02:32] <Malfist> I close the autostart menu and restart it and the program is gone
[02:33] <cellofellow> conky may be your cup of tea
[02:33] <cellofellow> !conmky
[02:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about conmky - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:33] <j1mc> !conky
[02:33] <ubotu> conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.2-1 (edgy), package size 118 kB, installed size 376 kB
[02:34] <Malfist> conky?
[02:35] <cellofellow> ever used DSL? it's based off of the system monitor in that.
[02:35] <Malfist> Only DSL I've ever used was the internet and Dark and Shattered Lands, a mud game
[02:35] <Malfist> over telnet
[02:36] <Malfist> conky gets to 'Conky: drawing to subwindow of root window (1000003)
[02:36] <Malfist> Conky: drawing to single buffer
[02:36] <Malfist> ' and stops
[02:37] <cellofellow> :(
[02:37] <Malfist> oh
[02:37] <Malfist> I see it on the desktop
[02:37] <Malfist> How can I move it
[02:37] <Malfist> it's in the bottom corner and can't read it
[02:37] <cellofellow> config file ~/.conkyrc
[02:38] <Malfist> sudo it?
[02:38] <cellofellow> no
[02:38] <maxamillion> Malfist: no ... just edit it :)
[02:38] <maxamillion> bah!!!!
[02:38] <maxamillion> brb
[02:38] <Malfist> It seems to be a blank file
[02:38] <cellofellow> yeah
[02:39] <cellofellow> read man conky
[02:39] <Malfist> kk
[02:40] <Malfist> how would I set a value? variable:value ?
[02:40] <cellofellow> umm, I don't remember
[02:42] <[187ci] marc> hacked xbox?! Please that is nothing more then modding...
[02:42] <Kresjah_laptop> Hey! Need some serious help. I have a machine with xubuntu here, where I am experiencing extreme instability. Long story short, it has an uptime of about 4 minutes before it freezes the whole computer completely. Only way to restart is the reset button it seems. I'm no techie, so there might be stuff I've missed, but the only things I can see of errors and warnings in Xorg.0.log is some missing font directories and stuff. Anyone w
[02:43] <Kresjah_laptop> This seems to apply when running standard mode. I don't think this happens in recovery mode.
[02:43] <cellofellow> video card?
[02:43] <[187ci] marc> lol
[02:45] <Kresjah_laptop> Humm... umm... ATI Rage 128 or something around there. The odd thing is that it has worked almost perfect for several days, it just started acting up a few hours ago (with no changes done since those "several days").
[02:45] <kriel> hey. can somebody help me fight through a sound patch? I got a new laptop that isn't supported by ubuntu's built in sound system, and i found a patch that's supposed to alleviate the problem, but im not entirely sure how to implement said patch.
[02:45] <cellofellow> odd, I had similar problems this week, but only when fluxbox was running.
[02:46] <[187ci] marc> have you installed anything lately?
[02:46] <Kresjah_laptop> Quote from last lines I've written: "(with no changes done since those "several days")."
[02:47] <Sweetandy> Is there a terminal command in Xubuntu that will give him his computer's Mhz?
[02:47] <[187ci] marc> just restart the computer
[02:47] <[187ci] marc> go in your cmos
[02:48] <Sweetandy> ah, mmk
[02:48] <[187ci] marc> and look for monitor hardware
[02:48] <[187ci] marc> it should be some place there
[02:50] <Sweetandy> lol mmk
[02:51] <grazie> Sweetandy: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:51] <Kresjah_laptop> Anyone have any clue as to where I can start debugggin this issue
[02:52] <Kresjah_laptop> ?
[02:54] <grazie> Kresjah_laptop: If it's just started freezing after no sw changes it'll be tough to find, but I'd suspect hw failure
[02:57] <Sweetandy> grazie: Thanks!
[02:59] <Kresjah_laptop> it seems that the last entries in Xorg.0.log are always these:
[03:00] <Kresjah_laptop> Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/, removing from list
[03:00] <Kresjah_laptop> And there are two more similar lines, just replacing TTF with OTF and CID
[03:53] <Malfist> is anyone still on that helped me earlier with cpu/mem monitor stating at start up?
[03:54] <Malfist> I found the process's name
[03:54] <Malfist> mb-applet-system-monitor
[03:54] <Malfist> I guess not
[03:54] <Malfist> oh-well
[03:54] <Jester45> would that be
[03:54] <Jester45> cellofellow or maxamillion
[03:54] <Darkkish> hm
[03:54] <Darkkish> ?
[03:55] <Darkkish> oh lol
[03:56] <Darkkish> Jester45 is everyone who comes in so impatient?
[03:56] <Jester45> kinda
[03:57] <Jester45> one guy said
[03:57] <Jester45> hi
[03:57] <Jester45> anyone here?
[03:57] <Jester45> guess not
[03:57] <Jester45> bye suckers
[03:57] <Jester45> and left
[03:57] <Jester45> he came and left in under a minute
[03:58] <Darkkish> some guy in wine did that
[03:58] <moparisthebest> thats just how some people are, they think we are here to serve them
[03:58] <Darkkish> whinehq
[03:58] <moparisthebest> like we owe them or something ;)
[03:58] <Darkkish> lol :p
[03:59] <Darkkish> well i have joined channels to get help and sometimes its a pain in the ass getting anyone to talk, but usually i hang around for 10-30 minutes...
[03:59] <moparisthebest> yea, I join channels for help all the time, patience is the key
[03:59] <moparisthebest> it's kind of like hunting or fishing
[03:59] <moparisthebest> :P
[04:22] <Jester45> i have a question
[04:22] <Jester45> why does all new computers come with vista preinstalled
[04:22] <Darkkish> http://bash.org/?731734 lmfao
[04:23] <Jester45> i would rather have xp then that piece of crap
[04:23] <Darkkish> Jester45 the same reason all old computers came with winxp but just be happy, vista is a total mem-hog, all the new computers you buy will have atleast semi-decent hardware in it to begin with
[04:23] <Darkkish> none of that 512MB of ram crap
[04:23] <Darkkish> and nona that onboard video either
[04:23] <cellofellow> bug #1
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[04:24] <j1mc> cellofellow, is that bug going to be fixed for feisty?
[04:24] <Jester45> i dont care that the computer come with xp preinstalled but know i have ot buy a computer then pay to downgrade??
[04:24] <Jester45> lol
[04:24] <cellofellow> maybe BY feisty+1
[04:24] <cellofellow> I think 7.10 should be called Groovy Gazelle.
[04:25] <Jester45> tell a dev that
[04:25] <cellofellow> It's up to Mark Shuttleworth what the releases are called.
[04:26] <Jester45> give him it
[04:26] <Jester45> he might like it
[04:26] <cellofellow> he has a public email?
[04:26] <T`> where's the feisty list of features for xubuntu? if ther eis one
[04:26] <Jester45> groovy gazelle would need beryl by default
[04:26] <T`> cellofellow, sure.. he posts on the mailing list
[04:27] <T`> whats groovy gazelle? 7.10?
[04:27] <T`> 7.04 had some other name i thought.. cant remember waht
[04:27] <cellofellow> that'd be the release notes, which I think are in the wiki.
[04:27] <j1mc> feisty fawn  :)
[04:27] <Darkkish> gahrooveh gazayell
[04:27] <Darkkish> i like that
[04:27] <cellofellow> yeah, Feisty Fawn.
[04:27] <j1mc> oh, there was another name, other than feisty?
[04:27] <Darkkish> groovey gazelle
[04:27] <cellofellow> groovy gazelle was just my idea.
[04:27] <Darkkish> i know
[04:27] <Darkkish> its good
[04:28] <T`> cellofellow, the release notes im' looking at only have 6.06
[04:28] <cellofellow> :(
[04:28] <cellofellow> Docs out of date I guess.
[04:28] <Darkkish> when i downloaded xfce
[04:28] <Darkkish> er
[04:28] <Darkkish> xubuntu *
[04:28] <Darkkish> and ran firefox for the first time
[04:28] <cellofellow> oh, and you'l have to look in the Feisty dev stuff fer Feisty.
[04:29] <Darkkish> it said "xubuntu 6.06"
[04:29] <Darkkish> i thought it was 6.10
[04:29] <cellofellow> I never got that, cause I updated.
[04:29] <T`> Darkkish, you should condense your sentences ;)
[04:29] <j1mc> :(  fix has been committed for that, but was not backported
[04:29] <T`> cellofellow, running fiesty by any chance?
[04:30] <cellofellow> nope. I had it installed on a spare hard drive but formatted.
[04:30] <cellofellow> it got out of date.
[04:32] <j1mc> i'm running feisty
[04:33] <j1mc> i've had it on my laptop for about three weeks or so now
[04:33] <T`> j1mc, anything noticable you like?
[04:33] <j1mc> it's been fine
[04:33] <T`> compared to edgy that is..
[04:33] <j1mc> well, it has xfce4.4 final.
[04:33] <cellofellow> stable XFCE4 is nice.
[04:33] <j1mc> updated gaim
[04:34] <j1mc> i don't use it for too much heavy stuff.
[04:34] <T`> oh.. xfce has been stable like a rock for me.. even though its beta2.. great piece of software
[04:34] <cellofellow> who cares about gaim? Unless you chat on like 10 networks, use a network-specific client with some real features.
[04:34] <j1mc> it's more of an evolutionary improvement than an OMG improvement.
[04:34] <T`> cellofellow, like?
[04:34] <T`> cellofellow, i thought on linux gaim is the answer to all
[04:35] <T`> i use gtalk, would be nice to have voice on that..
[04:35] <cellofellow> I like Gajim for Jabber, which is all I really use.
[04:35] <cellofellow> Jabber/GTalk, whatever.
[04:35] <T`> i'm thinking of hnaving my parents switch to xubuntu (i bought them a laptop recently)
[04:35] <cellofellow> No voice for that yet, thought I think Psi has a Jingle version working.
[04:35] <T`> so would be nice to have some kind of good voip
[04:35] <j1mc> if it's a new laptop, i would have them to go ubuntu or kubuntu.
[04:35] <T`> gnomemeeting sucked bigtime last time we tried.. audio quality wasn't good on the low bandwidth connection
[04:36] <cellofellow> there's Skype, which though closed-source is available, and PhoneGaim too.
[04:36] <T`> j1mc, well its like 2 years old..
[04:36] <j1mc> they will probably want to see videos on the web and stuff.
[04:36] <cellofellow> so, flash and codecs?
[04:36] <T`> cellofellow, yea skype is there i know.. wanted to try something which is open.. will give phonegaim a shot
[04:36] <moparisthebest> doesn't ventrilo work on linux?
[04:37] <T`> j1mc, no.. my parents are computer illeterate really
[04:37] <T`> only do emails and some web browsing
[04:37] <T`> like news, etc..
[04:37] <j1mc> ok.
[04:37] <T`> and they dont use pop, imap clients.. just email thru yahoo or wahtever.. lol
[04:37] <cellofellow> Google Suite? Gmail, GCal, GReader, GDocs and Spreadsheets? All works here great.
[04:38] <cellofellow> Firefox 2 integration with Google Reader is nice to have.
[04:38] <j1mc> xubuntu would be great on a two year old laptop
[04:39] <cellofellow> it'd be awesome.
[04:39] <moparisthebest> T`, this should work for you: http://www.goteamspeak.com
[04:39] <cellofellow> Google Talk (Jingle)?
[04:42] <T`> cellofellow, it works on unix?
[04:43] <cellofellow> no, I don't think so.
[04:44] <moparisthebest> no, it doesnt
[04:44] <moparisthebest> teamspeak does however, have you tried it T` ?
[04:44] <T`> not yet moparisthebest
[04:44] <T`> is it easy to use?
[04:45] <moparisthebest> yes T` very easy
[04:45] <T`> moparisthebest, ok.. so all i have to do is setup a server on my end.. and ask me parents to dial in right?
[04:45] <moparisthebest> basically once you set thier client up for them all they have to do is double click it and click connect
[04:45] <moparisthebest> yes
[04:45] <moparisthebest> the server is easy to set up too :)
[04:45] <T`> can i have my team server on my home server.. and i use client at work, etc.
[04:45] <T`> or on my laptop at a cafe, etc..
[04:46] <T`> so then we two are on the client.. but server is always constant
[04:46] <moparisthebest> yep
[04:46] <moparisthebest> if you want it that way
[04:46] <T`> perfect.. will give it a shot..
[04:46] <T`> thanks
[04:46] <moparisthebest> no problem
[04:46] <T`> yea its better.. no changing ips then
[04:46] <T`> my server has dyndns.. so they just dial to the same host name always
[04:47] <moparisthebest> there you go, sounds like you have a good setup :)
[04:47] <moparisthebest> I have experience with parents who barely know how to turn on a computer, I can sympathize ;)
[04:48] <T`> haha yea.. its painful sometimes because it seems so easy to us
[04:48] <T`> they are too afraid it might break the computer.. like blow it up or somehting
[04:49] <moparisthebest> I know
[04:49] <moparisthebest> I always tell them there is nothing they can do that will break anything
[04:49] <Darkkish> lol
[04:49] <cellofellow> On Linux, no need to fear if they have no root password.
[04:49] <moparisthebest> and to just try stuff out, but they dont seem to have the ability
[04:49] <Darkkish> yeah hell
[04:49] <Darkkish> you can't even change the clock w/o root
[04:49] <T`> cellofellow, true.. i'm almost sure they will never need to do sudo.. i'll have it all setup properly
[04:50] <T`> its amazing how easy *ubuntu's setup is though.. the liveCD is a brilliant idea
[04:50] <cellofellow> give yourself remote SSH access to fix things.
[04:50] <T`> there is no "fear factor" that way
[04:50] <T`> yea.. thats what i intend to do
[04:50] <T`> with private key auth.. only for me..
[04:50] <cellofellow> for dyndns, ddclient is a good update daemon.
[04:51] <T`> is transperancy in xfce 4.4 thru composite in X11?
[04:51] <cellofellow> yeah
[04:51] <T`> last time i tried composite it was a bit laggy.. so had to turn it off
[04:51] <T`> i like the snap switching of xfce when i switch virtual windows
[04:51] <cellofellow> On my card, I have to turn off AIGLX or OpenGL doesn't work at all.
[04:51] <T`> i frequently toggle between two virtual windows .. and dont like any delay at all
[04:52] <T`> like if i'm coding and have the spef open in a brtowser on next window
[04:52] <T`> s/spef/spec
[04:52] <cellofellow> Sometimes I read a coding ebook and want to be able to see the book and the editor at the same time, so I turn on the compositing. I'd like a dual-head monitor for that.
[04:54] <moparisthebest> T`, also apt-get install x11vnc
[04:54] <moparisthebest> its a vnc server to share the current x11 session
[04:54] <T`> sec.. on phoen
[04:54] <cellofellow> if you've got decent DSL or cable, you can tunnel X through SSH.
[04:54] <moparisthebest> comes in handy to guide them, especially because they can see what you are doing
[04:54] <cellofellow> oh, good point
[05:00] <Darkkish> i have VoIP
[05:00] <Darkkish> vonage
[05:00] <rmd_> i can't find any info about changing my boot screen from graphical to text
[05:00] <Darkkish> o_O
[05:00] <rmd_> i've disabled GDM, but the boot is still graphical and i hate it
[05:00] <moparisthebest> rmd_, I think I know exactly how to do that
[05:01] <moparisthebest> you mean the little bar that goes to the right on bootup?
[05:01] <rmd_> yes, that
[05:01] <cellofellow> rmd_: set it up so that gdm does NOT start at boot with init in runlevel 2.
[05:01] <moparisthebest> yep, I know how to do it
[05:01] <cellofellow> oh
[05:01] <moparisthebest> give me a few seconds to find the file rmd_
[05:01] <rmd_> cellofellow, i already did that.  all you have to do is disable that in the services app.
[05:01] <rmd_> moparisthebest, thanks loads.
[05:02] <moparisthebest> rmd_, its an option in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:02] <rmd_> ahh
[05:02] <cellofellow> huh?
[05:02] <moparisthebest> can you paste yours someplace? I dont remember the exact thing to remove
[05:02] <cellofellow> a kernel option?
[05:02] <moparisthebest> it is after quiet
[05:02] <moparisthebest> but I cant recall exactly the option
[05:02] <cellofellow> oh, remove splash
[05:02] <rmd_> moparisthebest, now that you mention that it reminds me of the solution
[05:03] <cellofellow> so that the mouse goes away.
[05:03] <moparisthebest> that is probably the option cellofellow
[05:03] <moparisthebest> a guy in #kubuntu helped me remove that awhile ago
[05:03] <Darkkish> i'm goin afk
[05:03] <moparisthebest> for some reason it screwed up my video card :P
[05:03] <cellofellow> there are only three options IIRC. ro quiet splash. I added vga=792
[05:04] <moparisthebest> thats it
[05:04] <moparisthebest> splash, I knew it was after quiet
[05:07] <moparisthebest> cellofellow, what does the vga option do out of curiosity?
[05:07] <cellofellow> sets the resolution and bitdepth for the kernel framebuffer.
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[05:08] <Darkkish|AFK> oops
[05:08] <Darkkish|AFK> sorry
[05:08] <Darkkish|AFK> meant to paste something else >_>
[05:08] <Darkkish|AFK> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811217019 how does this look for a case?
[05:08] <cellofellow> now I can play dvd's in the CLI
[05:08] <T`> ok back...
[05:08] <T`> moparisthebest, thats a great idea.. will do
[05:08] <moparisthebest> cellofellow, how do you set the resolution with 1 number?
[05:08] <T`> moparisthebest, you can both see the mouse and control it?
[05:08] <T`> its like like windows RDP where it logs the active user out right?
[05:08] <moparisthebest> yes T` :)
[05:08] <cellofellow> moparisthebest: it's this code thing
[05:09] <moparisthebest> it doesnt log the active user out
[05:09] <moparisthebest> they can see everything you do
[05:09] <T`> looksl ike you have dealt with these issues yourself?
[05:09] <moparisthebest> yep, VNC is a platform independant protocol
[05:09] <cellofellow> moparisthebest: 792 is 1024x768x24
[05:09] <moparisthebest> you can control windows from linux and vice versa
[05:09] <moparisthebest> its pretty handy
[05:09] <Darkkish|AFK> nobody wants to tell me?
[05:10] <T`> moparisthebest, oh i know how VNC works.. but last time i treid vnc on X, it used to create its own session
[05:10] <moparisthebest> cellofellow, do you know where I could see a list of these codes?
[05:10] <cellofellow> um, google.
[05:10] <moparisthebest> oh yea I know what you mean now T`
[05:10] <T`> moparisthebest, that was like 2 years ago may be.. but now its good
[05:10] <moparisthebest> x11vnc shares the current session though
[05:10] <moparisthebest> so its much handier
[05:10] <T`> yup
[05:11] <moparisthebest> looks fine to me Darkkish|AFK, although it is a little pricey
[05:14] <rmd_> changing that file isn't working
[05:14] <rmd_> it keeps reverting to the original after i update-grub
[05:15] <moparisthebest> don't update-grub
[05:15] <moparisthebest> why are you doing that anyway?
[05:16] <rmd_> someone else said i'm supposed to do that after editing :-/
[05:16] <moparisthebest> they were wrong ;)
[05:19] <T`> hmm
[05:19] <T`> no, he is supposed to run update-grub
[05:19] <T`> the reason is not to make it work, but to test sanity
[05:19] <moparisthebest> I never have, and I edit menu.lst all the time
[05:19] <cellofellow> just reboot
[05:19] <T`> like his config will get erased when he upgrades his kernel
[05:19] <moparisthebest> I guess I just take a chance
[05:20] <T`> the way you do is to edit within the # default_options=
[05:20] <cellofellow> it will, but that's just a fact of life
[05:20] <T`> and run update-grub which will automatically add/delete all optins from all entries
[05:20] <T`> the readme is in the menu.lst
[05:20] <moparisthebest> oh, I didn't know that
[05:20] <moparisthebest> interesting
[05:20] <T`> and if you want to add stuff which is persistent, you add it at the beginning before the START block..
[05:20] <moparisthebest> I usually just go back in a redo everything when I upgrade my kernel :/
[05:20] <cellofellow> for me, I have to comment out savedefault because it always causes the system to hand just after the kernel boots.
[05:21] <T`> s/START/BEGIN i meant..
[05:21] <T`> oh
[05:21] <cellofellow> no idea why.
[05:21] <cellofellow> the recovery kernel would work cause it didn't have savedefault
[05:22] <cellofellow> no idea what savedefault does though
[05:44] <chip__> [Desktop Entry]
[05:44] <chip__> Version=1.0
[05:44] <chip__> Encoding=UTF-8
[05:44] <chip__> Type=Application
[05:44] <chip__> Name=JavaFIBS
[05:44] <chip__> Comment=FIBS
[05:44] <chip__> Categories=Application;
[05:44] <chip__> Exec=java -jar JavaFIBS.jar
[05:44] <chip__> Icon=user-info
[05:44] <chip__> Terminal=false
[05:44] <chip__> StartupNotify=false
[05:44] <chip__> Path=/home/chip/Apps/JavaFIBS
[05:45] <chip__> any idea why that wont work?
[05:45] <chip__> i can go to the actual .Jar file and right click it, that works.  I can also do it via terminal in the directory
[05:59] <thedaemon> hello
[06:06] <grazie> chip__: tried.....Exec=java -jar /home/chip/Apps/JavaFIBS/JavaFIBS.jar....(should have pastebinned your .deskjtop btw)
[06:10] <thedaemon> any idea how to kill the xwindows so I can install video drivers?
[06:18] <chip__> grazie, that still errors the application
[06:19] <grazie> chip__: it was just a suggestion...I don't run any java apps myself
[06:22] <grazie> chip__: did you change Path=  ...?
[06:26] <grazie> chip__: Terminal=True  ...?
[06:32] <Tooth_DeKa1> hello, is this thing on?
[06:33] <thedaemon> hi
[06:34] <Tooth_DeKa1> how are you with xubuntu?
[06:35] <thedaemon> perfect on my laptop. not so perfect on my desktop. but my desktop doesn't have internet connection. so its just a base install
[06:35] <thedaemon> if you mean, you need help.
[06:35] <thedaemon> I know a little, but not too much
[06:37] <Tooth_DeKa1> Well I tried to install it on an old machine I have. Dual P3 1.2Ghz on an Intel server board and the keyboard & mouse just dont seem to work.  Yet they did during the startup, but once the live boot session is running I have no mouse and keyboard.
[06:39] <thedaemon> usb?
[06:40] <Tooth_DeKa1> USB keyboard and a USB mouse with a ps2 converter.  Also tried without the converter.
[06:40] <thedaemon> did you try ctrl-alt-f1?
[06:41] <Tooth_DeKa1> That was the first thing I tried (to get to xorg.conf) but I have no keyboard at all.
[06:41] <thedaemon> hmm. does your keyboard work at the bios?
[06:43] <Tooth_DeKa1> it works in bios and during the startup of the live boot cd.  I can select the type of install and add boot parameters, but once it's started no kb or mouse......I even put in an expansion usb card to see if that would work and no go..
[06:44] <thedaemon> hmm, yeah too deep for me sorry.
[06:44] <thedaemon> did you try just the keyboard?
[06:44] <thedaemon> do you have any extra devices hooked up?
[06:46] <Tooth_DeKa1> The only things I have connected are the keyboard, mouse, scsi controller and 2 scsi hdd's in raid 0, and annnn ide cd-rom
[06:47] <grazie> Tooth_DeKa1: the alternate cd doesn't use X,,,so you could install with that and sort you keyboard/mouse problem later
[06:48] <grazie> Tooth_DeKa1: anything unusual abut the keyboard & mouse?
[06:48] <grazie> Tooth_DeKa1: probably worth searching ubuntu forums for problems with them
[06:51] <Tooth_DeKa1> I have searched the formus but with no luck, which is why I am here.
[06:51] <Tooth_DeKa1> I will try with the alternate CD tonight and see how it goes.
[07:05] <Tooth_DeKa1> Sorry, missed one of your questions, No there is nothing strange about the keyboard or mouse.  The keyboard is just a cheap standard 101 usb keyboard and theeee mouse is a microsoft intellipoint usb laser mouse.
[07:49] <Radica1Faith> hello
[07:49] <Radica1Faith> anyone in here?
[07:55] <Radica1Faith> hello
[07:56] <moparisthebest> yes
[07:57] <posingaspopular> Radica1Faith: people are always in here
[07:57] <moparisthebest> Tooth_DeKa1, did you get your keyboard problem fixed?
[07:57] <Tooth_DeKa1> nah, came back looking for more solutions
[08:02] <Tooth_DeKa1> does xubuntu support older motherboards?  Maybe it's a driver issue with the Intel Server Motherboard.  What do you think?
[08:02] <Radica1Faith> is it safe to resize a root partition if there is plenty of space, and just after a clean install?
[08:33] <robinlinth_> Are there any alternative menu's for Xfce?
[08:44] <krash123123> can someone help me with my nvidia drivers please _
[08:44] <krash123123> ?
[08:44] <posingaspopular> !nvidia
[08:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:45] <krash123123> i already tried that but it brings me an error when i  reboot..
[08:45] <krash123123> >S
[08:45] <krash123123> :S
[08:45] <posingaspopular> what error
[08:46] <krash123123> mm says like the xorg is bad configurated
[08:47] <krash123123> it doesnt show the login screen, and brings a window saying that theres been a problem with X
[08:47] <krash123123> i restablish the backup and goes well again ..
[08:49] <krash123123> can you help me ?
[10:43] <doudoo> hello
[10:43] <doudoo> all
[10:43] <doudoo> i install xubuntu-desktop on my kubuntu
[10:43] <doudoo> but I wanted to change icon theme
[10:44] <doudoo> but it kill all panel and desktop
[10:44] <doudoo> now when i log in under xfce my desktop stay desperatly empty....
[10:44] <doudoo> could someone help ?
[10:45] <posingaspopular> doudoo: i would love to but i dont know how
[10:45] <doudoo> so sad
[10:45] <doudoo> i want to run xfce... it looks really cute!
[10:45] <doudoo> :)
[10:55] <TheSheep> doudoo: alt+f2, type 'xfce4-panel', enter
[10:55] <doudoo> oki
[10:55] <doudoo> ill test
[10:58] <tonitoni> should i install this over ubuntu 606?
[01:20] <the-noo-noo> Hi, I'm trying to mount a CF card I have in my PCMCIA slot.  I've added a line to fstab as below, but it's not working.  I want full read/write permissions for myself. Any ideas?
[01:20] <the-noo-noo> /dev/sda1       /media/cfcard   vfat    defaults,umask=000  0       0
[01:42] <the-noo-noo> sorted: I didn't realise there had to be a spare new line at the end of fstab and I added gid=1000 and uid=1000
[01:43] <the-noo-noo> see you
[02:30] <`nicola> what repository should I add/change to upgrade from 6.10 to herd 4 ? thanks
[02:32] <TheSheep> !upgrading | `nicola
[02:32] <ubotu> `nicola: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:32] <`nicola> thanks
[02:58] <galen198> Hi.. I need help. I just Upgraded to 6.10 and I just reboot the computer, and now its all black..
 will Herd 5 be out today?
 j1mc: that is the goal, yes.  I should probably build new xubuntu isos too.
[03:00] <galen198> Can anyone help me?!
[03:01] <cyt> grazie: Did you see your kernel booting messages?
[03:02] <j1mc> galen198, are you on a different computer, or are you typing this from the computer that's all black?
[03:02] <grazie> cyt: ?
[03:02] <cyt> grazie: More information is good to figure out what happened to you :D
[03:03] <grazie> cyt: I haven't a clue what you're talking about
[03:03] <j1mc> galen198, i have to go to work, but try doing a search on "ubuntu issues upgrading dapper to edgy"
[03:03] <minus198> jlmc, im on the computer thats all black yes.. but im on windows now.. dualboot you know
[03:03] <minus198> but i can bring my laptop and start xubuntu
[03:04] <minus198> ok
[03:04] <minus198> thanks
[03:04] <j1mc> good luck!  you will get it sorted out.  :)
[03:04] <j1mc> bye
[03:08] <intengu> has anyone installed ltsp with herd4
[03:12] <intengu> anyone installed ltsp?
[03:15] <danshtr> Hi all. Anyone here tried to boot xubunto on IBM 770 laptop?
[03:17] <crimsun> which version of xubuntu?
[03:17] <danshtr> the latest and greatest
[03:17] <danshtr> 6.06
[03:17] <crimsun> no
[03:18] <danshtr> i was just wondering how much time should I wait, if I dont see anything on the screen after the spash screen with the mving bar.
[03:19] <crimsun> for 6.06.1, I recommend using the alternate installer
[03:19] <danshtr> i waited for two hours and nothing happend
[03:19] <danshtr> alternate? why?
[03:19] <danshtr> (i'll try it for sure)
[03:19] <crimsun> 6.06's desktop installer has many issues
[03:19] <danshtr> i am not taling about the installer, just booting as live CD
[03:20] <intengu> anyone installed ltsp?
[03:20] <moe_evil> intengu: yes, me
[03:20] <crimsun> danshtr: have you posted dmesg from that boot? Guessing doesn't help.
[03:21] <intengu> moe_evil: have a problem with ltsp-build-client not completing installation
[03:21] <danshtr> i dont get to issuing any command
[03:21] <moe_evil> intengu: with edgy?
[03:22] <danshtr> looks like it hangs when X tries to start
[03:22] <intengu> moe_evil: i am using feisty alternate cd
[03:23] <danshtr> crimsun: i tried to use 6.10, not 6.06
[03:23] <intengu> moe_evil: during install i select install LTSP Server - installation run but crashes at 50% during building of chroot
[03:24] <moe_evil> umm
[03:24] <moe_evil> I installed ltsp after normal installation
[03:26] <intengu> moe_evil: it then says must perform building of chroot later, and I do that by using ltsp-build-client file:///media/cdrom as root
[03:27] <crimsun> danshtr: so all the information you've given is valid for 6.10, not 6.06?
[03:27] <intengu> moe_evil: it then fails because of some missing package, how can I tell ltsp-build-client to use the cdrom, then the repository if a package is missing
[03:28] <danshtr> crimsun: right, i just rechecked the image i downloaded
[03:28] <danshtr> 770 got 256mb memor
[03:28] <danshtr> the HD got slack on it
[03:29] <moe_evil> intengu: sorry, no idea
[03:29] <crimsun> danshtr: I can't progress w/o at least dmesg. Can you switch to ctrl+alt+F2 and take a digital photo?
[03:29] <moe_evil> you can't install everething from internet? is not as much as a whole ubuntu, just a hundred of mb
[03:30] <danshtr> crimsun: I'll try the alternate CD, and I'll try to get dmesg
[03:30] <danshtr> many thanks
[03:30] <danshtr> :)
[03:33] <intengu> moe_evil: bandwidth is limiting :)
[03:56] <soweto76> How do I enable the root account on xubuntu?
[03:57] <intengu> is herd5 out yet
[03:59] <Qew> soweto76: any reason why you can't use sudo? You don't need to log in as root, you can just use sudo to run apps that require root access or do root actions.
[04:00] <soweto76> Qew, old fashioned, I guess.  Do you know how to do it.
[04:00] <tonitoni> i installed 3 files and i dont see them anywhere
[04:01] <tonitoni> ill try to restart
[04:01] <Qew> well, you can use "sudo passwd root" and pick a password for the root account.
[04:02] <Qew> well, the root account exists, but before you do that it has a random pass. Doing the above in a console will give your root account a pass you now know.
[04:03] <soweto76> Qew, After 14 years of using GNU/Linux, I just plain need it.  Thanks.
[04:03] <Qew> heh... to be honest, I have it, too. ;)
[04:03] <soweto76> not for everyone. I think the default is a very good idea.
[04:04] <Qew> yeah, agreed, and I use it. But I came over from Mandriva, so it's a habit.  It did save me having to use the boot CD in order to fix up a messed up hosts file, which causes sudo to fail. ;)
[04:04] <soweto76> I am using sudo and find no problems with it.
[04:05] <soweto76> There are times ... :)
[04:07] <soweto76> Qew, what is the purpose of the UID... on the kernel command line -- no more root=/dev/hdax eh
[04:08] <soweto76> Qew, in grub that is.
[04:09] <soweto76> Qew, e.g.,  Kernel command line: root=UUID=50b15847-a5f2-49e3-8e56-a8dae202b8ec ...
[04:09] <grazie> !uuid | soweto76
[04:09] <ubotu> soweto76: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[04:09] <Qew> I'm in Dapper, so I have the old method. It's something for me to find out in a few years. ;)
[04:10] <Qew> not sure about the reasoning, but it seems someone has helpfully pointed you to some info on that.
[04:10] <soweto76> grazie, thanks
[04:11] <Qew> might as well read about the rationale now
[04:11] <grazie> uuid gives a more reliable device identity e.g. dockable laptops, etc
[04:11] <soweto76> Adding "profile" -- editing grub boot-up screen -- seems to speed up booting.  Where is that "profile" stored or configured?
[04:12] <soweto76> Adding to kernel command line, that is.
[04:12] <soweto76> Message says:  Preparing to profile boot sequence.
[04:53] <Prodoc> good afternoon
[04:54] <Prodoc> am I assuming correctly that the php5 package listed in Synaptic is only for apache2? If yes, where can I get php5 for apache1 if it's even possible?
[04:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hey wassup
[04:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> anyone awake in here
[04:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hullo
[04:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[04:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I was wanting to ask how to convert an ubuntu install to a xubuntu
[04:59] <grazie> Prodoc: synaptic is designed to handle the dependencies
[04:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it better just do do a reformat
[05:00] <Prodoc> grazie, yes but if I select php5 it wants to install libapache2-mod-php5 as well
[05:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i wish ubuntu had better support for newer stuff in the repos
[05:01] <Prodoc> though unfortunately I need apache1
[05:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[05:02] <grazie> Prodoc: then libapache2-mod-php5 is required...not following you really
[05:02] <Prodoc> and because of that I would like to prevent apache2 from being installed
[05:02] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: you can install package xubuntu-desktop to get xfce
[05:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> then what about gnome
[05:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> which does it boot to by default
[05:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:03] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: but you will have a heavier system than a clean xubuntu install
[05:03] <Lord_Maynoth_42> does automatix work with xubuntu?
[05:03] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: probably gnome...easily changed
[05:04] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: automatix...I don't see why not...I don't use it
[05:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is xfce much harder than gnome to use and configure
[05:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sorry ive never used xfce before
[05:04] <Prodoc> grazie, I'm trying to set up a MusicBrainz server but that one requires apache1 because of some perl modules. I can life with apache1 but I also want to have php5
[05:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what is musicbrainz
[05:04] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:05] <grazie> Prodoc: but apache2 must be needed for php5...you'll have to look further into it if you think otherwise
[05:05] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, if you install xubuntu-desktop, xfce will appear in gdm
[05:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> gdm?
[05:05] <Prodoc> so I guess my question is: can I just install php5 and use it with apache1 while I don't install apache2 except for libapache2-mod-php5?
[05:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sorry me=total n00b
[05:05] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[05:06] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: basically gdm = the login screen
[05:06] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, gdm is the 'gnome display manager' == the login screen
[05:06] <Prodoc> Lord_Maynoth_42: http://www.musicbrainz.org/
[05:06] <grazie> Prodoc: no. dependencies are there for good reasons
[05:07] <Prodoc> darn
[05:07] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ooh
[05:07] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, if you want to get rid of unneeded gnome stuff, you should find sth on google.
[05:07] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ill just reformat
[05:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im just tried of ubuntu being slower than win2k
[05:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:08] <kalikiana> ok, that'll probably be the best way :P
[05:08] <grazie> kalikiana: sth?
[05:08] <kalikiana> grazie, Sorry, sth should be 'something' :)
[05:08] <grazie> k
[05:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is installing the new xfce 4.4.0 really hard on xubunut edgy
[05:08] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:08] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, no, it's easy imho
[05:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sweet
[05:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ^_^
[05:09] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, but it's not in the repository
[05:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I figured as much
[05:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[05:09] <Lord_Maynoth_42> why do they have such aversion to current (non-beta) software
[05:09] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, ?
[05:09] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: would be happy to compile from source right now?
[05:10] <kalikiana> oh, you mean why xubuntu doesn't feature the stable? *g
[05:10] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: ubuntu works a two deliveries per year basis
[05:10] <kalikiana> i suppose it's a bit lack of manpower/ willing
[05:11] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: xfce4.4 will be released in April with Feisty
[05:11] <kalikiana> xubuntu is always a bit 'behind' the others :'/. at least now a new tester team is being created.
[05:12] <grazie> xfce4.4 has only been out a month....xubuntu is not being that slow really
[05:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> back
[05:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> oh
[05:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I meant ubuntu in general
[05:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I know they get version refreshes every 6 months
[05:13] <kalikiana> grazie, it may be a matter of personal opinion, but imho the stable *should* be available in the repos, at least optional
[05:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I think their should be a repo with all the latest non-beta releases...
[05:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> of everything
[05:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[05:14] <thedaemon> how do I know what version I am running? I forget all this weird naming system?
[05:15] <grazie> kalikiana: ubuntu has a system...no system is perfect
[05:15] <kalikiana> thedaemon, cat /etc/issue
[05:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> Kaliliana do you know a webpage
[05:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> that shows how to install xfce4.4.0
[05:15] <kalikiana> grazie, it's just personal opinion, it's ok :)
[05:15] <thedaemon> 6.10 .. thanks kalikiana
[05:15] <grazie> kalikiana: yeah I agree :)
[05:16] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, you can do it with us, it's pretty easy imho ;)
[05:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you guys/girls?  rock!!!
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ugg...  it looks like I am going to have to mount a partition to do a backup
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> why doesn't ubuntu do this on its own
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:17] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: to be fair....some people have had problems putting xfce4.4 on edgy (6.10)
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> windows does
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :c
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> rly
[05:17] <danshtr> crimsun: I dont have any login prompt to get dmesg
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what about you Kali?
[05:17] <Lord_Maynoth_42> any bugs with 4.4.0
[05:17] <kalikiana> grazie, do you have an example of such problems?
[05:18] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, I' running the 4.4 form the website and everything is fine
[05:18] <danshtr> so i can't event boot 6.1 on IBM 770
[05:18] <daemonatwork> 4.4 comes on edgy xubuntu by default though right?
[05:18] <grazie> kalikiana: search the channel logs or the forums
[05:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i dun think so
[05:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it ships with older version
[05:18] <Lord_Maynoth_42> feisty is going to be out soon
[05:19] <kalikiana> daemonatwork, it ships a beta version actually
[05:19] <Lord_Maynoth_42> oh please god tell me they are not going to put compiz and beryl on xubuntu
[05:19] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha
[05:19] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, ubuntu will have it in the repos, nothing more afaik
[05:19] <Lord_Maynoth_42> awesome
[05:19] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I run older machines
[05:20] <Lord_Maynoth_42> so I don't really have the power to do any of that
[05:20] <Lord_Maynoth_42> what remote desktop app is best for xubuntu
[05:20] <Lord_Maynoth_42> does realVLC work
[05:20] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:20] <kalikiana> a 'default' install feating beryl would not work due to driver issues anyway
[05:20] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i kept thinking putting it on by default was a bad idea
[05:20] <Lord_Maynoth_42> *_*
[05:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I was like what is mark smokin
[05:21] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> if I uninstall gnome after installing xubuntu
[05:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> would that be as good as a reformat?
[05:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> or not
[05:22] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, it can be, if you remove all the gnome packages
[05:22] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sounds like more work than a reformat
[05:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:23] <kalikiana> naturally yes :)
[05:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[05:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is there a quick way to detect your second hard drive
[05:23] <Lord_Maynoth_42> to do a backup
[05:23] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, what would 'detect' mean? mounting?
[05:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yes
[05:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its not showing up
[05:24] <Lord_Maynoth_42> in computer
[05:24] <kalikiana> use the panel plugin for that, i'm not sure what it's called
[05:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> besides running xubuntu
[05:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is there anything else that can speed up an older system
[05:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> thank you guys for all the help
[05:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sry im such a n00b
[05:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lol
[05:26] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, avoid non-gtk apps for a start
[05:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I don't run much
[05:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> open office
[05:26] <Lord_Maynoth_42> abi word
[05:26] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, if you stick to one kind of toolkit (gtk, qt), that saves memory
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> kk
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i run nero linux
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> because I hate k3b
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:27] <kalikiana> and avoid apps with gnome deps. sadly many apps are unnesessarily compiled with gnome.
[05:27] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I have plenty of hard drive space
[05:27] <kalikiana> I recommend 'graveman'.
[05:28] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but only 256mb of ram
[05:28] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, I meant RAM, not harddisc space. ;)
[05:28] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: you don't seem like that much of a newbie to me
[05:28] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I am a windows guy or used to be
[05:28] <grazie> kalikiana: do you get Xfburn to work ok?
[05:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im a+,network+ certified so
[05:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im not dumb with computer hardware per se
[05:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> just linux is a new thing for me
[05:29] <Lord_Maynoth_42> does the wine repo for ubuntu still work with xubuntu
[05:29] <kalikiana> grazie, I didn't try for a while, I prefer graveman like I said
[05:30] <grazie> kalikiana: me to, but I've never got Xfburn to work....I can't understand why xubuntu ships with it
[05:30] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i really like nerolinux even though its not foss
[05:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> the new nero7 for windows is crap though
[05:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> bloated so bad
[05:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> omg
[05:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:32] <kalikiana> I did not find nero that bad when I was on windows.
[05:32] <kalikiana> grazie, Again, personal preference? ;)
[05:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well i like nero 6
[05:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but  7 has so much bloat
[05:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> like u have to install directx9 to run it
[05:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:32] <Lord_Maynoth_42> funny story
[05:32] <kalikiana> Try graveman already.  However I do not know exactly who voted for xfburn.
[05:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I wish ubuntu would get rid of that evolution crap
[05:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha
[05:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I heard the ubuntu christian edition changes it to intelligent design by default
[05:37] <Qew> yeah, Claws Mail is what I use, so that would suit me.
[05:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is that a joke
[05:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ?
[05:37] <Lord_Maynoth_42> or serious
[05:38] <grazie> kalikiana: yeah that discussion wasn't balanced. I've only been using xubuntu a couple of months so....
[05:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is it bad
[05:39] <Lord_Maynoth_42> that I run 2 comps side by side
[05:40] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:40] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i can't afford a dual core
[05:40] <grazie> well I do too...makes life more interesting
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> haha
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> one is windows
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> because the amount of effort to get my scanner working
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is just insane
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I have to copy bin firmware out of a windows driver
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and all kinds of fun stuff
[05:41] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and I can't get TOR to work on ubuntu
[05:42] <grazie> almost completely ditched windows now...I WILL NEVER BUY VISTA!
[05:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> me neither
[05:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I figure by the time support runs out for xp that will have given ubuntu to improve enough
[05:42] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its really shaken up the the linux world imho
[05:43] <Lord_Maynoth_42> amazing how fast its developing
[05:43] <kalikiana> Then again there come these guys who ask 'Why is Mark throwing money out of the window'... ;)
[05:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah well ubuntu DOES need a way to actually make money
[05:45] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I think their should be a paid version
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> with all the extras preinstalled
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> mp3 divx
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> pdf
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> everyone would buy it
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> ubuntu support
[05:46] <Qew> what, like Linspire?
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i dunno I never messed with linspire
[05:46] <Qew> meh, it's not hard to install codecs if needed
[05:46] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: not while mint is free
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> no its not hard at all
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> very easy with automatix
[05:46] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but
[05:47] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its time consuming
[05:47] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and anoying if your doing 5 installs
[05:47] <Qew> no need for Automatix to do that, either ;)
[05:48] <kalikiana> I wonder what one could pay for if not restricted packages or support?
[05:49] <grazie> wouldn't you be paying for the someone to supply a working os?
[05:50] <kalikiana> grazie, From my understanding you can't seel GPL software, can you?
[05:50] <kalikiana> s/seel/sell
[05:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> you can sell it
[05:50] <Lord_Maynoth_42> look at xandros
[05:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> there is talk that xandros will switch to a kubuntu base
[05:51] <Qew> yes, you can sell it, but you have to divulge the source code. Xchat is an example with its Windows port.
[05:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> in which case I will be switching to xandros next go around
[05:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[05:51] <kalikiana> I mean you pay for drivers, manual, support and such, not for the os.
[05:51] <Lord_Maynoth_42> im not sure
[05:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> OMG I love it... ubuntu is actually keeping firefox current now
[05:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> finally
[05:52] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:52] <kalikiana> So as soon as I have some more money I'll probably donate some, but donating is not buying.
[05:53] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: yeah the firefox thing is good news
[05:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> If I won the lotto I would start my own linux distro based off xubuntu
[05:53] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> tweak it how I like it
[05:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> with all codecs and everything allready installed... all possible drivers installed
[05:54] <Lord_Maynoth_42> lastest software
[05:55] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, Wouldn't you destroy all the efforts to avoid unfree drivers?
[05:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I don't see why because if you didn'
[05:56] <Lord_Maynoth_42> didn't like it you could stick with plain jane xubuntu
[05:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it wouldn't be a free version
[05:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> but I would make sure pirated copies were floating around everywhere
[05:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[05:57] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and updates were free
[05:57] <grazie> kalikiana: that a very good point,,,mp3 is the perfect example of monopoly control abuse
[05:58] <danielluehr> hello everybody, I have been using xubuntu 6.10 on an AMD64 machine for a couple of weeks now and today I found that all python/gtk programs are not working, has anyone experienced or heard of a similar behaviour? thanx
[05:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I know 64bit is buggy
[05:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> use the 32bit
[05:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its gonna be years before 64bit oses are ready for prime time
[05:59] <Lord_Maynoth_42> imho
[06:00] <soweto76> Some commentators have noticed that the 64bit systems are actually slower on most things at this point.  Must be a good reason to use them, I guess.
[06:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hahahaha
[06:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> yeah 64bit is not ready by a long shot
[06:01] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I don't even know why ubuntu messes with it
[06:02] <grazie> software only gets ready by people using it though
[06:02] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, 64bit is a step forward, like 32bit was once :)
[06:02] <Lord_Maynoth_42> well I'll leave that to you guys to test and debug it
[06:03] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hehe
[06:03] <soweto76> If you want to develop 64bit, then it is definitely worth it.
[06:04] <danielluehr> thanks, for the comments, I may change to 32bit for everyday use, and may be a second partition with the 64bit os for testing, anyway I find it very strange that it worked ok for some weeks and suddenly somethings started to crash (and I don't remember installing any new packages in the last few days)...
[06:05] <grazie> danielluehr: check your /var/log/dpkg.log
[06:09] <soweto76> I installed xubuntu dual boot WinXP on my wife's Dell Inspiron 2200 laptop with 1.25 Gigs and 1.5 Celery M.  Very easy installation.  Performance is very crisp.  The box has a DVD drive.  I played some DVD stuff.  I notice that the image seems very washed out compared to her WinXP rendition on that machine.
[06:11] <soweto76> Well, who cares eh. :)
[06:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> its prolly the xp clear type
[06:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> i get teh same thing
[06:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> with win2k
[06:11] <Lord_Maynoth_42> on laptops
[06:12] <danielluehr> ok people thanks again, bye
[06:12] <Lord_Maynoth_42> why are you guys so much much nicer compared to the ubuntu chatroom
[06:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I got banned there because I said I liked automatix
[06:13] <soweto76> Clear type?  Does that effect graphic imaging?  I don't know anything about Windows really.
[06:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and autopackage
[06:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> clear type makes fonts look much clearer
[06:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> on lcds
[06:13] <Lord_Maynoth_42> not crts
[06:14] <soweto76> This laptop has a crappy lcd screen for sure but the fonts seems degraded less than the DVD content.
[06:14] <Lord_Maynoth_42> hmm
[06:14] <grazie> soweto76: have you installed a graphic card driver?
[06:14] <kalikiana> Lord_Maynoth_42, sure they banned you only for mentioning automatix? that sounds rude
[06:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> it was
[06:15] <soweto76> grazie, that seems like a good idea! Doh!  I will look into that eh.
[06:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I argued (not rudely)
[06:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I explained I had installed automatix on a minimum of 20 computers
[06:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and no problems
[06:15] <kalikiana> Personally I don't like that #ubuntu is so overcrowded
[06:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> and servas or something said I was stupid and banned me
[06:15] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[06:16] <soweto76> grazie, Perhaps the default installation may not have selected the best one?  Is that it?
[06:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> he told me to shut up and quit promoting things which kill peoples computers
[06:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> LOL
[06:16] <Lord_Maynoth_42> I was like ROFLAO and then *BAN*
[06:17] <grazie> soweto76: the installation will probably have installed the open source driver which are not usually the best available option
[06:18] <soweto76> Lord_Maynoth_42, Perhaps it is not wise to tar the whole channel with the same brush.  But the ban seems unpleasant to say the least.
[06:18] <soweto76> grazie, These laptops are probably tricky.  Will lspci give me a hint?
[06:19] <grazie> soweto76: yeah...i use 'lspci | grep -i vga'
[06:19] <soweto76> grazie, IIRC it is some kind of Intel, naturally onboard off course.
[06:23] <grazie> soweto76: you can check what driver is actually being used by searching for Driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:25] <Lord_Maynoth_42> is the new xorg gonna make it to feisty?
[06:28] <soweto76> grazie, Xorg driver is i810.  Does that seem correct for an Intel Mobile 915Gm/GMS/910GML Express Graphics?
[06:30] <soweto76> Lord_Maynoth_42, I am using ubuntu Feist Herd4.  It seems that the new xorg has been integrated to some extent at this point.
[06:30] <grazie> soweto76: that looks good to me, but I have no experience setting up the intel graphs driver
[06:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> sweet
[06:31] <Lord_Maynoth_42> :D
[06:31] <grazie> Lord_Maynoth_42: fiesty in now frozen...you check the packages at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[06:31] <soweto76> The latest XFce4 is spruced up quite nicely as well.
[06:34] <soweto76> now on xubuntu laptop...
[06:53] <killemall> howdy all
[06:53] <kalikiana> hi, killemall :)
[06:53] <killemall> in the past ive been using win2k to revive old pcs, most common being the p2-350 128 ram
[06:54] <killemall> now that ive been using ubuntu on my desktop im wondering if xubuntu would run allright on these old boxes ?
[06:54] <killemall> webrowsing,email, etc..
[06:55] <kalikiana> If you don't expect 'wonders' xubuntu should be very usable.
[06:55] <kalikiana> So of course no memeory hungry apps.
[06:56] <j1mc> killemall: yes.  xubuntu would work well on those machines
[06:56] <killemall> ive had xp on p2-350 before, but i dont like the sluggish feeling
[06:56] <j1mc> i dual boot xubuntu and win2k on a PIII 900mhz laptop w/256megs, and xubuntu is much faster to boot.
[06:57] <j1mc> much more responsive
[06:57] <killemall> right on
[06:58] <killemall> do i want the latest xubuntu or should i be using an older version in this case?
[07:01] <kalikiana> killemall, try edgy if you want current software and dapper if it doesn't work or you need really stable software
[07:03] <Eagle_101> ok I'm doing a partition of my harddrive for xubuntu, with windows being on the other partition. Does xubuntu need the partition before or after, or does it matter, or something else?
[07:04] <kalikiana> Eagle_101, xubuntu doesn't care where it lies :)
[07:04] <Eagle_101> figures, as nobody ever says anything about that minor detial :P
[07:05] <Eagle_101> Thanks for clarifying that :P
[07:05] <j1mc> just make sure you install windows first, and then install xubuntu after
[07:05] <Eagle_101> right, I'm on windows right now... just finishing up the defrag
[07:06] <kalikiana> if you like defrag you'll be missing something on xubuntu ;)
[07:06] <Eagle_101> well I don't like defrag, and I can't wait to get xubuntu running
[07:07] <Eagle_101> ;)
[07:09] <j1mc> Xubuntu should "see" your windows installation, and add it to the grub boot menu.
[07:09] <Eagle_101> ok
[07:09] <j1mc> so it should be pretty easy to select either one you'd like to boot from . . .
[07:09] <Eagle_101> I'm hoping on that... I've had a friend of mine have problems with lilo
[07:10] <j1mc> yes, grub is better than lilo.  :)
[07:10] <Eagle_101> like lilo basically screwing up his whole disk
[07:11] <Babubu> Oh man, lilo... haven't seen a distribution use it in a while.
[07:13] <Eagle_101> yeah well its turned my friend off of linux :S His now using Windows Vista
[07:14] <Babubu> Wonder what distribution it was, lilo is a past cycle of a boot loader. Might as well be working with loadlin or somethin'.
[07:15] <Babubu> Haven't tried Vista, only promising feature in it is the text-to-speech service that doesn't have to be trained. No solid TTS engines on Linux that I know of. :\
[07:16] <Eagle_101> he told me, but I don't recall, after digging through 50+ linux distros, they all run togather (I picked this one)
[07:16] <Eagle_101> I will ask him
[07:22] <yendor> Any Ideas on how to open a shared folder on another computer the runs XP pro for some file transfer?
[07:24] <grazie> yendor: you've set up samba?
[07:24] <Babubu> yendor: You'll need to install samba and smbfs.
[07:24] <yendor> ok
[07:24] <yendor> I do not
[07:24] <grazie> !samba | yendor
[07:24] <ubotu> yendor: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[07:25] <yendor> Thank you very much guys, i will sta rt from there
[07:44] <fegaru> Hi there... I need some help... my xubuntu dont want to connect to inet
[07:45] <fegaru> her is a paste bin eith some logs.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8108/
[07:45] <fegaru> please help me
[07:49] <fegaru> please help me
[07:49] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:49] <fegaru> hello
[07:49] <fegaru> I have some troubles with my inet connection
[07:49] <fegaru> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8108/
[07:49] <fegaru> see this paste bin please
[07:50] <grazie> fegaru: you've no network set up yet
[07:50] <fegaru> but... before it working
[07:50] <fegaru> I dont know what happends
[07:51] <fegaru> How could I configure again?
[07:52] <grazie> fegaru: what device is used to connect to the internet?
[07:52] <fegaru> eth0
[07:53] <grazie> fegaru: with a router/modem that supports dhcp?
[07:53] <fegaru> yes
[07:54] <fegaru> grazie: yes is a router
[07:55] <grazie> fegaru: it's very strange that you've lost your config
[07:56] <fegaru> and is not a way to reconfigure??
[07:56] <grazie> fegaru: what changes have been made? there must have been something that's changed
[07:56] <fegaru> I dont wanna format and reinstall everything
[07:56] <fegaru> Well
[07:56] <grazie> fegaru: yes the network can be set up again, but I'm a bit rusty
[07:56] <fegaru> My brother arrived the last weekend, and bring his WI-FI Router
[07:57] <fegaru> after that he connect again my router and this pc dont connect to inet
[07:58] <grazie> fegaru: you set up wifi on that machine?
[07:58] <fegaru> nop... my brother have a inalambric router... and change it for my alambric router while he stay here...
[07:59] <fegaru> after that he put again my router alambric... and this computer begins with torubles
[08:00] <grazie> fegaru: sounds like you set up wifi, but now the wifi router is gone yes?
[08:00] <fegaru> yes
[08:00] <fegaru> my brother put the wifi router just for us his notebook
[08:00] <fegaru> and put cables for my pc
[08:01] <fegaru> after he go, he put again my old router... and never connect to inet again
[08:01] <fegaru> this machine
[08:01] <fegaru> because others pc connect to the same router have inet
[08:03] <grazie> fegaru: I'm going to have remember how to set up networking manually...let me think for a minute
[08:03] <fegaru> thanks a lot grazie... I've been waiting
[08:05] <grazie> fegaru: work through this >> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/ubuntu-network-troubleshooting-tips.html
[08:06] <grazie> fegaru: if you've got any problems come back
[08:06] <fegaru> ok, thanks grazie
[08:06] <grazie> fegaru: actually that doesn't look very good...I'll see if I can find something better
[08:07] <fegaru> thanks
[08:09] <fegaru> i'm going to rebbot... i will back soon
[08:09] <fegaru> grazie
[08:13] <fegaru> grazie, i will back
[08:13] <grazie> fegaru: I think your problem is that you need to disable the wifi config and re-enable or reconfigure the eth0 network config
[08:14] <fegaru> ok, how I do that?
[08:14] <grazie> fegaru: The changes are probably quite simple, but I have no knowledgy of wifi, so I don't know
[08:15] <fegaru> I think is rare
[08:15] <fegaru> because my brother doesnt touch the pc
[08:15] <fegaru> only change the router
[08:16] <grazie> fegaru: but your pc now has no eth0 network config
[08:17] <fegaru> I try to reboot thwe router
[08:17] <fegaru> then I come cback
[08:18] <ffxr> hi i am trying to build a package by explicitely building for generic x86_64... can someone tell me what option i put into .configure to achieve this?
[08:20] <grazie> ffxr: do you mean build source from the repos?
[08:22] <ffxr> there is a bug in mysql on amd64 and in launchpad itsays a work around is to "Work around this in the mysql package by explicitely building for generic x86_64." but i cant work out the configure flag
[08:23] <grazie> ffxr: you're build from source outside the repos then
[08:23] <ffxr> yeah.. i have to (i think) to work round this bug..
[08:24] <ffxr> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.1/+bug/66702
[08:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66702 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "GCC emits 3DNow!-specific instruction for __builtin_prefetch" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[08:24] <slow-motion> n8
[08:26] <grazie> ffxr: there isn't an x86_64 package available then?
[08:27] <ffxr> yes there is .. but there is a bug in it.. it uses specific amd instructions & so the package doesn t work properly on my pentium based machines...
[08:27] <ffxr> i hvaee to force it to use x86_64 generic
[08:28] <ffxr> ve got this far - /configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql --with-charset=utf8 --with-collation=utf8_general_ci --build=x86_64
[08:28] <ffxr> it configues ok, but m worried i havent got the build= part correct..
[08:29] <grazie> ffxr: sorry I follow now..I think you've just got to check the build files amd64 specific stuff
[08:30] <ffxr> ok.. and how do i do that?
[08:31] <grazie> ffxr: the make file is the source of everything
[08:32] <ffxr> yeah so i go in and have a look at that manually.. ?
[08:33] <grazie> ffxr: yeah and if it's mysql it going to be big and complex probably
[08:34] <ffxr> ha nice.. right i see this: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu i wonder if i change them lines to x86_64-generic ???!? hmmm
[08:35] <grazie> ffxr: that looks like a kernel reference....read what the bug report says
[08:36] <ffxr> the workaround contains 3 lines: "he mysql server in the package fails to run on EMT64 hardware due to a misconfiguration in GCC generating a amd64 specific instruction. Work around this in the mysql package by explicitely building for generic x86_64."
[08:38] <grazie> ffxr: so it's the gcc parameters that need changing
[08:41] <ffxr> mmm i dunno, gcc is a compiler?  there is a debdiff file attached to the bug report as a potential fix, but i dunno how to use it..
[08:42] <grazie> ffxr: looks like you may be stretching yourself a bit
[08:43] <ffxr> hahahah ... well.. i really need mysql to work on my amd64 box..
[08:43] <ffxr> m trying  /configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql --with-charset=utf8 --with-collation=utf8_general_ci --build=x86_64
[08:44] <ffxr> this changes my makefile from  x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu to  x86_64-pc-none
[08:44] <ffxr> i wonder if this means x86_64 generic
[08:44] <ffxr> ve only 20mins to waste while i wait for tthe make to complete : s\
[08:50] <fegaru> grazie... I dont found the problem
[08:55] <tuxcrafter> hello, is there a way to disable dma in the kernel or kernel boot options i am debugging some serious instability issues?
[08:59] <grazie> tuxcrafter: IDE DMA? You'd need to unset in .config and rebuild the kernel
[09:00] <grazie> tuxcrafter: you must able to switch off though, but I don't know how
[09:04] <tuxcrafter> grazie: ok i will recompile the kernel
[09:07] <john64> does anyone know of a way to setup my xubuntu so by default, GDM or X doesn't start
[09:09] <TheSheep> john64: sure, install sysv-rc-conf and remove gdm from all the runlevels
[09:09] <TheSheep> john64: or do that manually in /etc/rc*.d
[09:10] <john64> thanks TheSheep
[09:10] <ffxr> what is edgy-proposed?
[09:10] <ffxr> !edgy-proposed
[09:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy-proposed - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:10] <john64> out of curiosity, what is the status of XGL and FGLRX (ATI Drivers) lately
[09:10] <TheSheep> ffxr: those are packages that are about to be added to edgy
[09:10] <john64> been a while since i care
[09:11] <john64> d
[09:11] <ffxr> TheSheep can i download from them now.. where do i find them?
[09:12] <TheSheep> ffxr: just add the repository in synaptic
[09:14] <ffxr> right.. cheers
[09:16] <john64> is a P2 233 with 64MB enough to run a command line ubuntu?
[09:50] <kalikiana> !info scribes
[09:50] <ubotu> Package scribes does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[09:51] <Lukz> Hi, is anyone any good at getting Wireless network cards to work with Xubuntu? Iv got a Belkin F5D7010 PCMIA card which is meant to work in Ubuntu, but I can't seem to get ti to work in Xubuntu. Does anyone have any ideas? =/
[09:52] <kalikiana> !info geany
[09:52] <ubotu> geany: A fast and lightweight IDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8-1 (edgy), package size 1076 kB, installed size 3664 kB
[09:54] <Lukz> Anyone? Pretty pls? :)
[09:57] <rmd_> is gnome needed for anything on xubuntu, other than gdm?
[09:58] <j1mc> you wouldn't need to install a full gnome environment, but it's ok if you want to install individual gnome applications.
[09:58] <rmd_> no
[09:58] <rmd_> i want to get rid of it
[09:58] <rmd_> i've disabled gdm
[09:58] <rmd_> and am wondering if removing all the gnome crap will harm anything
[09:58] <j1mc> hmmm...
[09:58] <j1mc> what other "gnome crap" do you have on there?
[09:59] <rmd_> one sec
[09:59] <Lukz> Is anyone any good at getting Wireless network cards to work with Xubuntu? Iv got a Belkin F5D7010 PCMIA card which is meant to work in Ubuntu, but I can't seem to get ti to work in Xubuntu. Does anyone have any ideas? =/
[10:00] <rmd_> gconf2, gnome-app-install, gnome-icon-theme, gnome-keyring, various gnome libraries, most notably gnomeprintui
[10:01] <rmd_> is gnome-app-install the "Add/Remove..." program?
[10:01] <john64> ya
[10:02] <rmd_> Ook.    So that can go.
[10:02] <john64> i agree
[10:03] <john64> i am loving the cleanliness of xfce,  i just switched from gnome myself
[10:03] <john64> my desktop has a few gnome libraries, since i need rhythmbox (only player with a media library i like with alac support), but my desktop is clean
[10:04] <rmd_> yeah.  i've just got a little panel that tells me my battery charge and the time and that's it
[10:04] <rmd_> i can't stand, like, gdeskletts and having to go to the panel for the menu and all that stuff
[10:05] <rmd_> granted, you can turn off all that stuff in gnome, but that's why it exists, so i dont bother with it :)
[10:05] <john64> gnome is really anoying me lately
[10:05] <Qew> yeah, I went for Xubuntu, not because my machine can't take KDE or Gnome, but for its cleanliness, etc.
[10:05] <john64> it is SO slow comparatively
[10:05] <john64> this is an Opteron 165 with 2gb and an X1800XT and it was chugging in gnome
[10:05] <rmd_> Qew, I'll never understand the Compiz crowd :)
[10:05] <Qew> heh
[10:06] <john64> xfce is instant, literally, 0 time to log in
[10:06] <rmd_> heh
[10:06] <rmd_> then again, i shave with a straight razor because i can't stand having more than one blade, or the handle telling me what damn angle to hold the razor at :)
[10:06] <j1mc> john64: yeah . . . it is really fast to load up.  :)
[10:06] <john64> my only problem is now i don't have anything to complain about
[10:07] <john64> i have to do my work :(
[10:07] <rmd_> hah
[10:07] <john64> yahoo finally killed the nasty gdm!
[10:07] <john64> on my craptop
[10:07] <j1mc> john64: well, you could complain about the difficulty in accessing samba shares.
[10:07] <j1mc> gnome and kde have that down better than xfce.
[10:07] <john64> uhh, no i can't :P
[10:07] <john64> jlmc: fusesmb
[10:08] <john64> !fusesmb
[10:08] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (edgy), package size 26 kB, installed size 140 kB
[10:08] <john64> it is SO much better than Gnome-VFS in every way
[10:08] <john64> instead of apps needing to use a library, ever app, even the original vi works with it
[10:08] <john64> fuse is a better solution in terms of usability than Gnome-VFS
[10:09] <grazie> john64: how did yahoo kill gdm?
[10:09] <john64> grazie, i forgot to say I finally, so it came out really wrong
[10:10] <john64> this laptop is surprising me, it only has 64mb of ram, but XFce still runs
[10:11] <john64> and thre is 25ish mb free!
[10:15] <john64> jlmc, i found it confusing to mount fusesmb at first, since it just acts the my network places in windows, just "fusesmb /path/to/where/you/want/smb"
[10:17] <john64> is this geany any good?
[10:20] <Eagle_101> Babubu my friend was running Madriva (the one that had trouble with lilo)
[10:22] <j1mc> j1mc that fusesmb sounds pretty neat.  i'll have to check it out.
[10:22] <j1mc> errr... john64  :)
[10:22] <Babubu> Eagle_101: Weird, ah well.
[10:22] <john64> do you do anything over ssh or have any ntfs partitions?
[10:22] <john64> !sshfs !ntfs-3g
[10:23] <ubotu> sshfs: filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6-1 (edgy), package size 29 kB, installed size 116 kB
[10:23] <john64> !ntfs-3g
[10:23] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but is still BETA software, so use it with caution. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[10:23] <Eagle_101> oh that thing is cool, let me try something...
[10:23] <Eagle_101> !irssi
[10:23] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help
[10:23] <Eagle_101> neat
[10:23] <john64> !ubotu
[10:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:24] <grazie> !botsnack
[10:24] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:25] <Babubu> You're using irssi, Eagle?
[10:25] <Eagle_101> no right now I'm on windows
[10:25] <Eagle_101> I'm working on getting the partition set up
[10:26] <Babubu> Ah, either way it's a nice client.
[10:26] <Eagle_101> cool :D
[10:26] <Babubu> Had to ditch it because I got used to graphical clients with their spell-checking. X(
[10:26] <Eagle_101> and that kindo of client is?
[10:26] <Eagle_101> X-chat?
[10:26] <john64> xchat2 is really ncie
[10:27] <Eagle_101> !xchat2
[10:27] <john64> well, X-Chat version 2
[10:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xchat2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:27] <john64> it is just xchat in the repos
[10:27] <john64> !xchat
[10:27] <ubotu> xchat: IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.6.6-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 275 kB, installed size 760 kB
[10:27] <Babubu> Nah, Gaim's dumbed IRC support for now.
[10:27] <john64> i am being pleasently surprised at how useful this old laptop is with ubuntu!
[10:28] <john64> babubu: xchat has spellcheck, i just don't use it :P
[10:28] <Eagle_101> cool, I will have to figure out how to get apps onto xubuntu... but off to try the live CD :P
[10:28] <Babubu> Didn't feel like having gconf2 installed just for Xchat, though that's such a nice client and does have spell-checking support through aspell.
[10:28] <Eagle_101> After the 4th download of it
[10:28] <Eagle_101> >.<
[10:28] <Babubu> Wish there was a PERL script for irssi to make calls to ispell/aspell/gnuspell.
[10:28] <grazie> Eagle_101: why?
[10:30] <john64> grazie: likely to check spelling?
[10:31] <john64> wouldn't gaim use gconf as well?
[10:32] <grazie> john64: ?
[10:34] <john64> i need to start paying attention more
[10:34] <john64> i am finding the coloring of xchat distracting
[10:35] <Barabubu> Yeah, color scheme looks to be a hassle to change.
[10:35] <john64> yep
[10:36] <grazie> johansalim: oh...I need the functionality...I lives with it
[10:36] <john64> java on a P2???  think it'll work?
[10:36] <Barabubu> !howdy
[10:36] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[10:38] <grazie> john64: well the early jvms were disigned for embedded systems....java 6 wouldn't stand a chance now
[10:38] <john64> grazie: what about 6?
[10:38] <john64> **5
[10:38] <john64> or kaffe
[10:38] <grazie> john64: my typing isn't that accurate either
[10:39] <john64> :D
[10:39] <john64> haha,  well i guess there is one way to find out
[10:39] <john64> if i can get java 1.5 compatibility i can start bringing my P2 to lectures instead of my p4
[10:41] <john64> well, kaffe seems to run java 5 classes, so i think i am set!
[10:42] <john64> !s3-virge
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s3-virge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <john64> !s3virge
[10:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about s3virge - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:42] <john64> !xorg-driver-s3virge
[10:43] <john64> !xorg-driver-s3virge
[10:43] <grazie> john64: you've killed the bot
[10:43] <john64> did i?
[10:43] <john64> oooops
[10:43] <grazie> :)
[10:43] <john64> !ubotu
[10:43] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:43] <john64> phewww!
[10:45] <Barabubu> !botsnack
[10:45] <ubotu> Yum!
[10:45] <grazie> anyone know whether the official ISO image releases can be sync'd if corruption occurs (I know the daily release can)
[10:45] <grazie> rsync'd*
[10:47] <john64> !info xorg-driver-s3virge
[10:47] <ubotu> Package xorg-driver-s3virge does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[10:50] <j1mc> grazie: i'm not sure
[10:52] <grazie> j1mc: Just that quite a few people seem to get corruptions somehow. It's a real waste of bandwidth doing loads of complete downloads
[10:54] <john64> is it possible to do a "diff" for lake of knowledge on the daily isos? so i can always have the latest stuff?
[10:54] <john64> also, how does one add a user to an existing group from the command line?
[10:55] <grazie> john64: that's what rsync does
[10:55] <grazie> johansalim: : gpasswd -a user group
[11:29] <Eagle_101> Hey I'm back, can someone give me an idea on how to turn my computer off (I'm running the liveCD, and I want to finish with my drive partition.
[11:32] <maxamillion> Eagle_101: you want to finish with the drive partition?
[11:32] <maxamillion> Eagle_101: why not just go into Applications->System->Gnome Partition Editor .... then edit the partitions and reboot
[11:49] <Eagle_101> um maxamillion problem is that windows defrag sorta fucked up the partitions
[11:49] <Eagle_101> it does not put the data in cleanly
[11:51] <grazie> Eagle_101: not sure I'm following you...the shutdown from the panel bar doesn't work?
[11:52] <Eagle_101> grazie: I'm just being an idiot :(
[11:52] <Eagle_101> thanks
[11:52] <Eagle_101> though I think I'm going to hang around on the live CD a bit
[12:07] <maxamillion> j1mc: you on the -devel mailing lists?
[12:07] <j1mc> just hanging out in ubuntu-devel today
[12:07] <maxamillion> oh ok
[12:08] <j1mc> i've learned a lot in the past two weeks.  turns out we need to be reporting testing bugs in a different spot and stuff . . .
[12:08] <j1mc> hopefully we'll have even better testing for later releases
[12:09] <j1mc> even though a fair number of people worked hard, i don't feel like we did as much as other teams.
[12:11] <maxamillion> j1mc: this is true ... we also don't have the man power of other teams, which is something i believe is our biggest problem ... we are still a growing community and many people look at our project and scoff at it because they see what ubuntu and kubuntu produce
[12:12] <j1mc> yeah . . .
[12:13] <j1mc> it makes sense.  kde and gnome have so many people already involved, so it's easier for them to get people to join in.  xfce is still growing.
[12:14] <j1mc> i just want to make sure that we continue to have quality releases.
[12:15] <j1mc> i'm going to get members of my loco team involved in testing xubuntu.  i'm going to get some ~3gb hard drives, and hand them out at our next meeting.
[12:16] <j1mc> plus, i've always been someone who favors the little guy. :-)
[12:20] <maxamillion> j1mc: that's awesome! ... i'm a college student at a university where linux isn't very widely used within the computer science department other than by the professors so it would be hard for me to start a loco team :(
[12:21] <j1mc> i'm in chicago.  our group has about 20 people in it??  something like that.  maybe 12 were at our last meeting.  imho, we need to be a bit more organized, though.
[12:22] <j1mc> i hear they're working a lot of documentation for loco teams, though.  hopefully that will help.
[12:23] <grazie> I can't get my head round why academic institutions aren't 95% linux :(
[12:23] <j1mc> grazie: MS gives them software for cheeps.
[12:24] <j1mc> it's kind of like crack or something.  give them their first taste for free, and then they'll keep paying for it.  if all of the developers only know how to work in windows, and all of the classes are windows-based, then . . .


[13:14] <globin> how would you get a quickly app working on windows?
[14:24] <davidcalle> dpm, ping
[14:24] <dpm> hi davidcalle
[14:25] <davidcalle> dpm, hey. Quick i18n question, about .pot files, for Launchpad translation, should I add them to my branch or just rely on the fact that it can be built from POTFILES.in?
[14:28] <davidcalle> dpm, nevermind, just found the answer :)
[14:28] <dpm> davidcalle, I'd recommend adding the .po files to the branch (they can get auto-committed if you use automatic translations from LP). If we're talking about the .pot file, and if it's a Python codebase, I'd still recommend to commit it, even though it can be regenerated. If it's in the branch, then LP will scan for it and will update the translatable translations every time you update and commit it
[14:29] <davidcalle> dpm, thanks, I was committing them, I'll keep doing it.
[14:29] <davidcalle> them/it
[14:31] <dpm> davidcalle, cool. Yeah, simply remember to update the file every time you add new strings and you think that they're ready to be exposed to developers. For C apps that use autotools + intltool, LP is clever enough to generate the .pot file itself without the need for it being in the branch, but for Python, it needs to have the .pot file under revision control
[14:31] <dpm> err, to be exposed to *translators
[14:33] <davidcalle> dpm, ok :)
[20:21] <mhall119> jvrbanac: that was fast
[20:22] <jvrbanac> mhall119, haha! Google Reader pinged me saying that you put up a new post.
[20:23] <jvrbanac> Gotta love the Ubuntu WebApps :D
[20:24] <mhall119> jvrbanac: I accidentally hit publish, it's not going live until tomorrow
[20:24] <mhall119> it was only live for about 30 seconds
[20:24] <jvrbanac> woops!
[20:26] <mhall119> it's okay, I just try not to publish this late in the day, it'll be buried by other things before folks in Europe ever see it
[20:29] <jvrbanac> Ahh, got it! By the way, I'm assuming you got my e-mail a week or two ago regarding my interest and my schedule?
[20:38] <mhall119> hmmm, not that I remember, let me search my inbox
[20:40] <mhall119> jvrbanac: I'm not seeing it, can you re-send?
[20:41] <jvrbanac> mhall119, there we go.
[20:46] <jvrbanac> Hopefully, that reaches you. If not, the main point is that I have quite a bit on my plate for the next few weeks, but I will make time to help out.
[20:47] <mhall119> jvrbanac: cool, thanks
[20:52] <jvrbanac> Considering that the lack of dev documentation was a bit of a barrier when I was trying to get use to GTK, I would really like to help drop that barrier for newcomers. My guess is that it'll increase productivity for devs already using GIR GTK as well.
[20:53] <mhall119> jvrbanac: yeah, that was a common problem for a lot of devs