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[09:21] <LocutusOfBorg> hello
[09:21] <LocutusOfBorg> reverse-depends src:llvm-toolchain-4.0 -r disco <-- GREEN NOW
[09:21] <LocutusOfBorg> kill it with fire please? apw doko
[09:21] <LocutusOfBorg> (it has 3 false positive)
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[07:41] <knightwise> morning peeps
[07:51] <mapp> morning knightwise
[08:06] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:06] <mapps> morning SuperMatt
[08:13] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:15] <mapps> mornin MonsterKiller
[08:16] <mapps> MooDoo
[08:16] <mapps> sup mate
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:17] <MooDoo> it's monday :(
[08:17] <mapps> im going to Ukraine in July lads
[08:17] <mapps> Malaga -> Moscow -> Kiev :D
[08:17] <MooDoo> nice :D
[08:17] <mapps> yea
[08:17] <MooDoo> holiday or work?
[08:17] <mapps> holiday
[08:18] <mapps> friend off betfair forum lives there
[08:18] <MooDoo> brill :)
[08:18] <mapps> hopefully meet up with him
[08:18] <mapps> says on wiki the average wage is $8k usd - so i plan to go to a club buy everyone a drink and girls shoould fall in love;p
[08:19] <MooDoo> pmsl good luck
[08:19] <mapps> im serious lol
[08:20] <mapps> if average wage is $8k
[08:20] <mapps> il go in a bar buy a shed load of drinks
[08:20] <mapps> girls be like 'woah hes mad rich'
[08:20] <mapps> marry a hot ukranian:P
[08:22] <MooDoo> or get mugged for being a cocky git
[08:22] <mapps> i should be ok i hope
[08:22] <mapps> ive managed in the uk:P
[08:23] <mapps> lived in Portsmouth for 4 years.lived in Elepehant and castle..lived in Brixton
[08:23] <mapps> as long as you're ok there's nevera problem
[08:24] <mapps> and it's not cocky MooDoo i just want a nice ukranian girl lol
[08:27] <SuperMatt> how's the new XFCE?
[09:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:15] <bashrc> morning
[09:15] <mapps> morning
[09:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:17] <mapps> 15c here
[09:17] <mapps> :D
[09:21] <knightwise> morning
[09:22] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJl5YuLWROc
[09:22] <Laney> MORNING
[09:22] <mapps> almost sleep time for me
[09:24] <bashrc> night shift?
[09:24] <mapps> as usual
[09:24] <mapps> but i was off last night
[09:25] <mapps> went into spain:)
[09:34] <Resupine> hello plz can you help me
[09:35] <popey> !ask
[09:35] <Resupine> is there anywhere i can paste it pls
[09:35] <popey> paste.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <Resupine> thanks
[09:37] <Resupine> is there anywhere i can paste the image please
[09:37] <Resupine> i forgot the site
[09:38] <popey> imgur.com
[09:38] <Resupine> thanks popey thats the one
[09:40] <Resupine> doesnt appear to be workin
[09:41] <foobarry> imgur.com is up
[09:41] <Resupine> it keeps failing
[09:42] <SuperMatt> sounds like you might have a networking problem
[09:42] <mapps> hm
[09:42] <Resupine> possibly
[09:42] <Resupine> i got the usual problem of not enough disk space
[09:43] <mapps> its only 16c :( i feel cold
[09:43] <Resupine> empty your trush and stuff
[09:43] <SuperMatt> not enough disk space for what?
[09:43] <Resupine> for the software updater
[09:44] <SuperMatt> then you need to delete files
[09:44] <SuperMatt> you may have some in your trash
[09:44] <Resupine> it actually worked this time
[09:45] <Resupine> http://imgur.com/n2aHPcI
[09:45] <Resupine> thanks
[09:45] <popey> Resupine: sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:45] <popey> should clean out some old kernels
[09:45] <Resupine> i think i tried but ill try it again
[09:46] <Resupine> thanks
[09:46] <foobarry> doesn't the unity-tweak package help clear out kernel pacakges in a noobish way?
[09:47] <Resupine> im not sure how to do it i think i tried
[09:47] <popey> foobarry: no
[09:48] <mapps> what can i do to avoid roaming charges? beyond dont do it- when i go from gib -> spain they charge me
[09:48] <popey> turn it off on your phone
[09:48] <mapps> nothing i can do i dont think
[09:48] <mapps> pah
[09:49] <mapps> it's the same place its so stupid
[09:49] <Resupine> i still get the same message
[09:49] <mapps> my phone connects to orange es some days
[09:49] <SuperMatt> what size is your /boot partition?
[09:49] <Resupine> how can i check thanks
[09:50] <SuperMatt> df -h /boot
[09:50] <Resupine> cheers
[09:50] <Resupine> its 236mb
[09:51] <Resupine> but ive used 210
[09:51] <SuperMatt> ah, a nice sticky little situation
[09:51] <SuperMatt> my question would be who set the size so small?
[09:52] <popey> the installer
[09:52] <Resupine> i dont know how it happened
[09:52] <popey> it defaults too small
[09:52] <Resupine> oh ok
[09:52] <SuperMatt> fun
[09:52] <popey> it was discussed at length recently on ubuntu-devel
[09:52] <Resupine> is there anyway to change that at all do you know
[09:52] <Resupine> oh
[09:52] <popey> you can, yes.
[09:53] <popey> you can resize it, or just keep on top of it.
[09:53] <Resupine> is it easy to do
[09:53] <popey> is brain surgery easy?
[09:53] <popey> for those that know how to do it :)
[09:53] <Resupine> sounds difficult the
[09:53] <Resupine> n
[09:53] <popey> its not that hard, but there are risks
[09:53] <Resupine> ha ha
[09:53] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/443673/gparted-resizing-boot-partition
[09:54] <Resupine> ill take a  look
[09:55] <Resupine> thanks for your help
[09:55] <popey> np
[09:57] <foobarry> my son's school has this thing called a focus week
[09:58] <foobarry> where they ask one child per week for a few things they would like the class to study that week e.g. dinosaurs, etc
[09:58] <foobarry> they asked my boy (who is 5). he said "i'd like to learn more about how to build stable buildings"
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Dr. Seuss Day! :-D
[10:13] <foobarry> is it?
[10:13]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the green eggs and ham.  and calls 999 in advance...
[10:13] <foobarry> remind me not to check reddit today
[10:14] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:15] <zmoylan-pi> czajkowski... you didn't watch the rugby... my twitter feed was strangely silent over the weekend :-)
[10:23] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: I was in the car coming up from Dorset and I was getting tweeted so I could follow it
[10:23] <czajkowski> :D
[10:23] <czajkowski> I LOVED THE GAME!
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> wasn't the same without a twitter feed going bonkers... :-)
[10:32] <czajkowski> lol
[10:34]  * MooDoo doesn't want to think about the rugby
[10:35] <zmoylan-pi> ♪ a nation once again... ♫ :-)
[11:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: http://img.pandawhale.com/post-10623-Grumpy-Cat-in-a-Happy-Birthday-cehB.jpeg cat in a hat
[11:19] <JamesTait> davmor2, where did you find that photo of me?
[11:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: It was your birthday profile pic ;)
[14:17] <lopta> I'm wondering whether to try Ubuntu 14.10 or 14.04.2
[14:18] <foobarry> try = how long for?
[14:18] <lopta> Probably a month or so.
[14:19] <jpds> lopta: Try both?
[14:19] <lopta> jpds: Hmmm... that's a possibility I hadn't considered.
[14:20] <jpds> lopta: Spinning up a VM takes a few minutes.
[14:20] <lopta> I'll try 14.10 first.
[14:20] <lopta> jpds: True enough and that's what I do on my work laptop. I'll be running this test on bare metal though (an old desktop PC at the office)
[14:36] <popey> I'd go for 14.04.2
[14:39] <lopta> popey: I'll download that next then.
[14:39] <lopta> (once this torrent's in).
[14:41] <lopta> popey: Is that because it'll be around longer or because there's newer (less tested?) stuff in 14.10?
[14:41] <popey> longer support
[14:41] <lopta> popey: Thanks for the insight.
[14:44] <foobarry> hence my question about "a month or so"
[14:44] <lopta> Thinking about it, I should break out my laptop.
[14:45] <lopta> ...think I'll let it thaw out a bit before I power it up though.
[14:53] <popey> was it buried in snow?
[14:53] <jpds> Maybe took it skiing?
[14:55] <popey> one per foot?
[14:55] <daftykins> LTS is where it's at
[14:56] <daftykins> i have a £208 Lenovo 15" intel i3 laptop coming this week :O
[14:56] <popey> like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKP7jQknGjs
[14:56] <daftykins> super cheap deal! free printer too O_O
[14:56] <popey> (best video I have seen this week)
[14:59] <foobarry> i have a video of me doing the same thing
[14:59] <foobarry> on a snowboard
[14:59] <popey> 3min54 is good
[15:00] <popey> also 4min15
[15:05] <jpds> popey: 3:54> what the hell.
[15:05] <popey> yeah :)
[15:08] <daftykins> heh some neat bits in that
[15:09] <jpds> Ha, that poor person at 1:30.
[15:11] <lopta> popey: I left it in the car overnight.
[15:11] <lopta> It get's a bit chilly here.
[15:12] <lopta> s/overnight/over the weekend/
[15:12] <lopta> Let's plug the charger in, that'll warm it up a bit.
[15:14] <daftykins> O_O
[15:14]  * zmoylan-pi could always tell when a pc for repair coming in had been in a car over night this time of year.  metal to cold to touch for a few hours.
[15:14] <jpds> popey: 4:40 is just obscene.
[15:21] <foobarry> somebody put sl;eeping pills in my lunch
[15:21] <foobarry> either that or its cos i'm 40 yrs old now
[15:22] <lopta> foobarry: Welcome to your forties! ;-)
[15:22] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: that must add many hours to the job :/
[15:23] <moreati> bigcalm: you got name checked by the register http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/02/ubuntu_15_04_flavours_vivid_vervet/
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> and so cold the hard drives couldn't spin up in time.  would take a few attempts to warm them up
[15:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:28] <bigcalm> moreati: heh, nice. Sometimes tempted to change my surname
[15:37] <Myrtti> I've not yet had a day when I've not regretted doing it. The only bit I'm feeling bad about the wedding. I can only hope it gets easier once all the paperwork is finally done.
[15:38] <MooDoo> how do all
[15:38] <MooDoo> are we all changing names?
[15:39] <foobarry> irc or irl names
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> can i still be me? :-)
[15:39] <laurac> aloha :)
[15:39] <MooDoo> lol just reading scroll back and not properly i might add lol
[15:39] <popey> zoiks
[15:39] <MooDoo> laurac: ??
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> gee willikers
[15:39] <popey> s/laurac/lauraf/
[15:40] <MooDoo> lauraf?
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> now the usage of my z key bill drop to 0... :-)
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> *will
[15:40] <MooDoo> popey: ignore that, lol
[15:41] <MooDoo> laurac: congratulations by the way :D
[15:41] <Laney> C Z TAB noooooooooo
[15:43] <laurac> lol
[15:43] <laurac> nope not laura F yet
[15:44] <laurac> but will so be changing my name when we do the deed :)
[15:44] <MooDoo> won't be long :D
[15:44] <laurac> exept on irc and on twitter as well everyone can do tab complete :)
[15:44] <MooDoo> yay
[15:44] <MooDoo> just as i've learnt to say it you'll be changing your surname lol
[15:48] <daftykins> :o
[15:48] <daftykins> MooDoo: hahaha :D
[15:55] <MooDoo> :D
[15:55] <davmor2> laurac: prod
[16:00] <lopta> I might go across the road for a fancy coffee while this is installing.
[16:01]  * zmoylan-pi misread that and wondered what a fancy toffee was like...
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> probably not a scots clan...
[16:02] <bigcalm> laurac: I think Jon should change his name
[16:02] <diddledan> ello
[16:03] <diddledan> I'm not gonna get used to laurac's new nick :-p
[16:16] <davmor2> laurac: prod
[16:17] <davmor2> at some point laurac will snap and then we'll know it's still her
[16:17] <laurac> bigcalm: eh why ?
[16:17] <laurac> I never get that when men change their names to the wifes but each to their own tbh :)
[16:17] <laurac> I do like tradition
[16:18] <directhex> well
[16:18] <directhex> legally
[16:18] <directhex> there's no paperwork for a wife to change her name, or keep her name. just do it. any other choices require deed poll
[16:18] <directhex> double-barrelling, or husband changing to wife's surname, deed poll
[16:18] <directhex> which is a PITA
[16:19] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer mononyms.  there's only one me
[16:19] <directhex> everyone should use a GUID to identify themselves?
[16:19] <daftykins> :D
[16:19] <directhex> works until we colonize other planets & need to switch to UUID
[16:19] <zmoylan-pi> can i use klingon characters in my guid? :-)
[16:19] <laurac> loth double barrelling!
[16:20] <daftykins> amusingly a mate just messaged to tell me my name was written wrong on the funeral attendance list for his dads funeral the other day
[16:20] <daftykins> i even spelt it for this church guy!
[16:21] <Myrtti> in Finland you need to fill a form to choose a last name when you're getting married. Both need to fill it, even if they keep their own names, which is the default.
[16:21] <bigcalm> laurac: only suggested it to be contrary
[16:22] <bigcalm> laurac: a cousin of mine and her fella both changed their surnames when they had a baby together.
[16:23] <bigcalm> But aren't married
[16:23] <foobarry> lol
[16:23] <daftykins> that's a cunning way to do it
[16:23] <foobarry> why not marry?
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> didn't want to fill out the forms :-)
[16:25] <lopta> Ah poo. It was looking promising until the reboot but now I have a black screen.
[16:26] <daftykins> reboot after having done what? :)
[16:26] <lopta> daftykins: Installing 14.10
[16:26] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[16:26] <daftykins> try that
[16:26] <daftykins> unless you know the exact hardware of the machine
[16:28] <bigcalm> foobarry: they have their reasons. One might be that they've just had a baby and don't want the expense of a wedding
[16:28] <bigcalm> Who can say
[16:29] <lopta> Looks as though a cold reset helped.
[16:29] <Azelphur> kinda tempted to buy http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/mini-robotic-vacuum-cleaner-39-99-maplin-2155783 any thoughts?
[16:30] <daftykins> don't dog sit, i've seen a nasty picture of what happens when someone with a robovac looks after a dog
[16:31] <Azelphur> can't anyway, tenancy agreement doesn't allow it :P
[16:31] <daftykins> ;]
[16:32]  * lopta runs the Software Updater
[16:32] <lopta> That's a curious font. Not bad, just a bit strange.
[16:33] <daftykins> i prefer to just apt-get dist-upgrade ;)
[16:33] <zmoylan-pi> my childhood cat used to assinate vacuum cleaners by pushing them down the stairs till they broke
[16:33] <daftykins> lmao
[16:33] <zmoylan-pi> she wasn't a fan of hoovers
[16:34] <lopta> We used to have a little spherical hoover that floated on a cussion of air.
[16:35] <lopta> I wonder whatever happened to those.
[16:35] <lopta> Does Ubuntu ship with bash?
[16:35] <daftykins> yes bash is the default
[16:36] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: I remember I fell down the stairs onto the family hoover when I was a kid :P
[16:36] <lopta> Has it been patched against "shell shock" (in case corporate IT ask me)?
[16:36] <Azelphur> managed to Karate chop a chunk of it off on the way down
[16:36] <zmoylan-pi> whatever happened to dysons wheelbarrows with a ball for a wheel?
[16:37] <daftykins> lopta: ages ago, yeah
[16:37] <lopta> zmoylan-pi: I had one of those when I was a toddler. Ballbarrow. Wasn't from Dyson though.
[16:37] <daftykins> but feel free to confirm
[16:37] <daftykins> :)
[16:37] <lopta> daftykins: Great, thanks.
[16:39] <lopta> Might try our computer-based training thing on this desktop once the updater's finished.
[16:39] <daftykins> some web based thing?
[16:41]  * lopta nods
[16:42] <lopta> I'm tempted to max out the RAM on this but we really shouldn't spend money on it.
[16:43] <daftykins> is it old?
[16:43]  * lopta nods
[16:43] <lopta> Pentium 4 something-or-other.
[16:43] <lopta> 3 GHz
[16:46] <lopta> Xubuntu works on it ...as does MS Windows 10 Technical Preview.
[16:46] <daftykins> haha, i think people have very different definitions of 'works' :D i couldn't stand anything single core now
[16:47] <lopta> daftykins: I have a dual-core Atom box at home and Mrs. lopta has a quad-core Phenom II.
[16:48] <daftykins> :S
[16:48] <lopta> daftykins: I have a shelf full of single-core desktops at the office though and if we use them at all, it'll be mostly as RDP terminals.
[16:48] <daftykins> mmm makes sense
[16:48] <daftykins> the College i used to work at and teach at gets donated even quad core systems now
[16:49] <lopta> daftykins: We're not that fortunate. ;-)
[16:49] <daftykins> i need to get in touch actually, there was talk of hundreds of laptops being offered 0o
[16:49] <lopta> Time to try another reboot.
[16:50] <daftykins> \o/
[16:50] <lopta> I'd like to try one of those 8-core Atom chips but I don't have ready access to one and it's not a priority.
[16:51] <daftykins> i think of all atoms as being glorified calculators :)
[16:51] <diddledan> lol
[16:51] <diddledan> is this bad taste? http://newsthump.com/2015/02/28/william-shatner-steals-space-shuttle-to-search-for-reborn-leonard-nimoy/
[16:51] <lopta> daftykins: Aren't all computers glorified calculators? ;-)
[16:51] <daftykins> some have some actual beans :D
[16:53] <lopta> I think our application server must be a VM
[16:53] <lopta> Xeon X5550 but Task Manager only shows four cores.
[16:54] <diddledan> yeah I don't suppose anyone uses real iron these days
[16:54] <diddledan> except for hosting vms
[16:54] <daftykins> not if they're sensible + sufficiently funded :)
[16:54] <intrbiz> X5550 is a quad core chip is it not
[16:55] <lopta> Hmm... might be bare metal. Apparently the X5550 is quad-core.
[16:55] <lopta> Might be a single-socket server.
[16:55] <intrbiz> or old one CPU installed
[16:55] <daftykins> quad core with HT
[16:55] <daftykins> http://ark.intel.com/products/37106/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5550-8M-Cache-2_66-GHz-6_40-GTs-Intel-QPI
[16:55] <daftykins> so 8 logical
[16:55] <intrbiz> only* not old
[16:55] <lopta> daftykins: HT may be turned off.
[16:56] <daftykins> or VM as you said, whichever goes
[16:56] <lopta> It's slow enough at times to be a VM.
[16:56]  * lopta shrugs
[16:57] <czajkowski> folks may find this interesting http://www.couchbase.com/press-releases/unity-couchbase-mobile-improves-game-development-with-sync-and-offline-support
[17:00] <lopta> Well, it's able to play video.
[17:02] <diddledan> lol @ spam - "Brandie k. wants Daniel to EXPLORE her B***S"
[17:03] <daftykins> bills
[17:03] <diddledan> lol
[17:03] <diddledan> yeah, I'm a financial advisor in a different life
[17:03] <daftykins> *nod*
[17:03] <daftykins> the US version of you :)
[17:11] <diddledan> blinkbox have so far given me 3 half-price offers in the space of a month
[17:12] <lopta> I wonder whether I am the U.S. version of me.
[17:29] <lopta> Is it lunch time yet?
[17:30] <diddledan> 17:30. methinks you missed it
[17:36] <lopta> Only 11:36 here.
[17:36] <lopta> Almost lunch time.
[17:36] <diddledan> my spidey sense is tingling. I think we might have an interloper :-p
[17:37] <daftykins> :D
[17:40] <mapps> hi
[17:40] <daftykins> afty mapps
[17:46] <lopta> diddledan: Hopefully I'm allowed in. I'm a UK Citizen, if that counts.
[17:46] <diddledan> lopta, lol, sure you're allowed
[17:46] <daftykins> though offering us chocolate is always a good move
[17:47] <diddledan> daftykins, +1
[17:49] <lopta> Can't get real chocolate over here ;-)
[17:50] <daftykins> hmm, diddledan note to UK customs... must install chocolate vending machines on other side of border
[17:51] <diddledan> must be in amerrycar
[17:52] <diddledan> only amerrycar does evil chocolate
[17:52] <diddledan> the recipe of the damned hershey's method
[17:53] <diddledan> the rest of the world is sane
[17:53] <diddledan> especially belgium
[17:53] <diddledan> belgium is the most sane in terms of chocolate
[17:53] <diddledan> <3
[17:53] <daftykins> any fave type from them? i don't think i've had much
[17:54] <daftykins> i forget where Lindt is, swiss?
[17:54] <diddledan> yeah, switzerland is pretty good too
[17:54] <diddledan> I think you're right about lindt being swiss
[17:54] <diddledan> those chocolate balls are divine
[17:54] <daftykins> huzzah \o/
[17:55] <diddledan> I love sucking on a chocolate ball
[17:55] <diddledan> I usually just bite it tho
[17:55]  * daftykins wonders where diddledan is going with this
[17:55] <diddledan> I hadn't decided on a destination yet
[17:56] <diddledan> but. innuendo is always a good idea
[17:56] <lopta> Right, I've decided that it's lunch time.
[17:57] <diddledan> lopta, \o/
[17:57] <diddledan> nomnomnom
[17:57] <daftykins> i didn't want to stop eating today
[17:57] <lopta> I was able to use Ubuntu to complete one computer-based training course.
[17:57] <daftykins> i had a bowl of cereal and then a pasta snack from M&S for lunch
[17:58] <diddledan> daftykins, you have real M&S over there?!
[17:58] <daftykins> yip
[17:58] <lopta> That's done, so it's time to buy windscreen wipers, washer fluid, sarnies etc.
[17:58] <diddledan> wow, and there was me thinking you were in the stone-age
[17:58] <daftykins> in fact, i know of at least 3 shops in the island
[17:58] <davmor2> diddledan: bet he doesn't
[17:58] <lopta> Think I'll go to K-mart.
[17:58] <daftykins> the town one has a little food hall, the other two are full size supermarkets
[17:58] <daftykins> but their food is too fancy to be of the likes i'd buy ;)
[17:58] <daftykins> (mostly)
[17:58] <lopta> K-mart, at least it's not Wal*Mart[tm]
[17:58] <diddledan> lopta, nah, go to the quickie mart
[17:58] <daftykins> the lunch stuff though, ooooh yes
[17:59] <lopta> brb
[17:59] <diddledan> aye, m&s snacks are wow
[19:13] <diddledan> so gog.com just emailed me about a massive sale they're having on digital downloads of games "until stock runs out"
[19:15] <daftykins> lmao
[19:15] <daftykins> diddledan: all bits must GO!
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> maybe they're selling bitcoins, the game known as 'steal the parcel'?


[05:43] <monsoongroover> ?
[05:44] <monsoongroover> is there anybody out there ?
[05:44] <Balsaq> yup
[05:44] <monsoongroover> cool.
[05:47] <monsoongroover> have you heard of a bug in xubuntu that causes the login screen to re appear continuously when booting up ?
[05:47] <Balsaq> in 9.10?
[05:48] <monsoongroover> yeah the latest release
[05:48] <Balsaq> i have heard of several bugs in 9.10
[05:49] <monsoongroover> this one in particular?
[05:49] <Balsaq> no
[05:49] <Balsaq> sounds like a grub issue
[05:50] <monsoongroover> i've seen other instances of it in the forums.
[05:50] <Balsaq> do you eventually get around it?
[05:50] <monsoongroover> i must confess that i am a total N00B . 3 days
[05:51] <Balsaq> i have had xubuntu for a few months now, but i also use a few other distros. i must confess that i have never had a problem with 904
[05:52] <monsoongroover> i re installed and checked the "Automatic Login" radio button. it helps but the problem still comes back
[05:53] <Balsaq> i use a username and password
[05:53] <Balsaq> wonder if that would help fix it
[05:53] <monsoongroover> when i do that , the login box re appears ad infinitum
[05:53] <Balsaq> dual boot?
[05:54] <monsoongroover> no only xubuntu
[05:54] <Balsaq> installed to the HD?
[05:54] <monsoongroover> yup
[05:54] <Balsaq> what kind of hardware
[05:55] <monsoongroover> amd 500+ mhz 32 g hd
[05:55] <Balsaq> ram?
[05:55] <monsoongroover> 256 meg ram
[05:56] <Balsaq> on my computers that are like yours i use puppylinux
[05:56] <Balsaq> i have one 400mgz and one 450
[05:56] <monsoongroover> tell me more
[05:56] <Balsaq> puppylinux works better computers like yours
[05:57] <Balsaq> at least that had been my experience
[05:57] <Balsaq> if yours runs fast pay no attention too me
[05:57] <monsoongroover> i'll look into it
[05:57] <Balsaq> its a bit of a pain to install
[05:57] <CharlesR> using xubuntu 9.10, trying to set up networking to several windows machines, i bring up shared folders and am told nfs or smb must be installed. i say go ahead and install both, type my password, and shortly it again says they have to be installed, as many times as i try. firefox accesses th eweb with no problems.
[05:58] <monsoongroover> thanks
[05:59] <Balsaq> is xubuntu fast on your 500mgz?
[06:00] <monsoongroover> fast enough
[07:16] <xubunoobie> Hello.  Could I ask a question about java in xubuntu
[07:18] <SMQBlot> anyone knows if there are a xubuntu repos?
[07:24] <xubunoobie> does anyone know how to get java installed?
[07:49] <Sysi> xubunoobie: what you're gonna do with it?
[07:49] <Sysi> propably sun-java-jre6 or something is what you're searching for
[07:52] <xubunoobie> sysi:  I am getting closer.  In synaptic, I noticed that the openjdk ice tea browser plugin wasn't installed.  So I just did that.  It still doesn't quite work, but at least something is happening now (box appears and seems to almost start java) instead of just saying "You don't have java"
[07:53] <Sysi> i'd recommend to to remove everything you've installed and install "xubuntu-restricted-extras"
[07:53] <Sysi> java comes with that, and many useful things also
[07:54] <xubunoobie> That was the first thing that I did (this is a fresh install as of 2 days ago)
[07:54] <Sysi> have you searched plugins with firefox?
[07:54] <xubunoobie> xubuntu restricted extras somehow left the browser plugin out though
[07:55] <xubunoobie> sysi: you mean about:plugins
[07:55] <xubunoobie> oops for some reason it made a face
[07:55] <xubunoobie> about : plugins
[07:55] <xubunoobie> that is better
[07:55] <Sysi> no, tools → plugins
[07:58] <xubunoobie> sysi: Thank you.  There is a lot listed including many java plugins
[07:59] <xubunoobie> Iced Tea web browser plugin
[08:00] <xubunoobie> iced tea java web browser plugin
[08:00] <Sysi> B[Bthat should work
[08:01] <xubunoobie> Yes I thought that it should
[08:02] <xubunoobie> almost works
[08:02] <xubunoobie> box appears where something should be happening----this is more activity than it did before I installed the plugin
[08:03] <Sysi> the java applet can be problem itself
[08:04] <xubunoobie> I am on the java test on the  Sun website
[08:05] <xubunoobie> Is there another java test that you know of?
[08:06] <xubunoobie> I found some
[08:06] <Sysi> if that works where you need java, it works :)
[08:06] <Sysi> the applet that you need
[08:08] <xubunoobie> Ok.  I found a website with examples of java applets.  They appear to be working.  That is weird that the java test on the Sun website doesn't work, but those do.
[08:08] <xubunoobie> Thank you for the suggestion
[12:17] <CharlesR> using xubuntu 9.10, trying to set up networking to several windows machines, i bring up shared folders and am told nfs or smb must be installed. i say go ahead and install both, type my password, and shortly it again says they have to be installed, as many times as i try. firefox accesses th eweb with no problems.
[12:40] <TheSheep> CharlesR: I think it has a bug, just close it and open it again (the good ol windows way_
[12:40] <TheSheep> )
[12:40] <CharlesR> ive done that several times
[13:07] <TheSheep> !samba
[18:13] <maverick> how can i remap ctrl + alt + backspace to restart gdm in karmic?
[18:22] <xubunoobie> Hello!  If my ipod will not mount after installint the restricted extras package and the ipod plugin for ehaile.  Is there something I am missing?
[18:24] <TheSheep> xubunoobie: what's the error?
[18:25] <maverick> how can i remap ctrl + alt + backspace to restart gdm in karmic xubuntu?
[18:26] <Sysi> http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/11/12/recovering-ctrl-alt-backspace-functionality-in-ubuntu-9-10-karmic/
[18:27] <xubunoobie> TheSheep: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail  or so
[18:28] <xubunoobie> I haven't rebooted since installing the exhaile ipod plugin.  Do you think that will help?
[18:36] <xubunoobie> I am having a little trouble getting my ipod to be recognized.  I get an error:  mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail  or so    I installed the "restriced extras"  and the ipod plugin for exaile, then rebooted.  Is there something that I overlooked?
[18:37] <TheSheep> xubunoobie: I think the ipod is not visible as disk
[18:37] <TheSheep> xubunoobie: by design
[18:38] <Pres-Gas> xubunoobie: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod
[18:38] <xubunoobie> oh wow.  Is there a remedy for that?  Supposedly Exaile  has support for ipod
[18:42] <TheSheep> it should be visible in exaile as a media player
[18:42] <xubunoobie> Pres-Gas:  Thank you. My synaptic says this not installed yet.  I will try it.  Thank you again!
[18:42] <xubunoobie> gtkpod
[18:48] <xubunoobie> Hello.  I am still getting this message when I plug in the ipod. mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,        missing codepage or helper program, or other error        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try        dmesg | tail  or so  .
[18:49] <xubunoobie> I thought for sure that that would work
[18:50] <xubunoobie> (installing gtkpod)
[20:20] <becker_11> Morning!
[20:21] <becker_11> I've installed Gwibber and call me stupid but I can't find a button or menu option anywhere to actually send a message ... using identi.ca
[20:29] <likemindead> !gwibber
[20:29] <likemindead> Hmm...
[20:29] <likemindead> Worthless bot...
[20:30]  * charlie-tca kicks the bot
[20:30] <likemindead> Sorry, becker_11, I've never used Gwibber. :-\
[20:30] <charlie-tca> Maybe gwibber doesn't have that feature yet?
[20:48] <becker_11> charlie-tca, I created the account and it asked for send and receive and I ticked both but yeah it's frustrating
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I believe it :-(
[20:49] <becker_11> not as frustrating as nutting out the curl script I've been working on for 2 days to update identica from the shell but close
[23:20] <NameMe> hello i have a small problem
[23:21] <knome> !ask | NameMe
[23:22] <NameMe> oafiid:gnome-indacatoraplet incountered a problem while loading and fastuserswichapplet and _panel_trashapplett while installing the live cd
[23:23] <NameMe> ubuntu isnt installed on the pc yet its supose to be running from the cd
[23:23] <NameMe> not sure if i wont to make perm changes
[23:25] <knome> NameMe, are you trying to install ubuntu or xubuntu?
[23:26] <NameMe> sorry for many lines
[23:26] <NameMe> oh ouch
[23:27] <NameMe> umm i requested a cd by mail its a ubuntu 9.10 but.....
[23:27] <knome> not that it would make big difference, but if i'm correc gnome-indicatorapplet refers to gnome which means ubuntu
[23:27] <NameMe> it says desktop adition im trying to load it on a laptop
[23:27] <knome> NameMe, does the cd say ubuntu or xubuntu?
[23:28] <NameMe> ubuntu
[23:28] <knome> desktop edition means it is for "non-servers"
[23:28] <knome> you probably should ask #ubuntu. they might know if this is a known bug or issue. i've never heard of that
[23:28] <knome> does it stop you from doing something, btw?
[23:28] <NameMe> cool should work on laptop tho?
[23:29] <knome> yes, will work on laptop.
[23:29] <NameMe> havent tryed
[23:29] <NameMe> lets see
[23:29] <knome> okay. it might just be some warning you can ignore :)
[23:29] <NameMe> what like play a game?
[23:29] <knome> i mean, when you get the message, are you expecting something to happen that doesn't happen?
[23:30] <knome> i suppose not, trying to figure out from the warning :)
[23:30] <NameMe> im getting the message when loading the cd
[23:30] <knome> yeah. just don't worry too much about it
[23:30] <knome> i don't think it really makes any difference
[23:31] <NameMe> humm ok
[23:31] <NameMe> so how is your day?
[23:31] <NameMe> =)
[23:31] <knome> well, night. it's 1:30am and i'm planning to go to bed :P
[23:31] <knome> the day was okay, though ;)
[23:32] <NameMe> heh well good night and ty so far
[23:32] <knome> np. feel free to ask more, there usually is people even from your timezone ;)
[23:32] <knome> night everybody o/
[23:55] <GSF1200S> anyone know how to disable launch notification in xubuntu?
[23:57] <GSF1200S> i cant remove libstartup-notification0 without apt wanting to remove everything. archs xfce didnt have this package as necessary..
[23:58] <GSF1200S> if anyone comes around and knows an answer or has an idea, just ping me


[01:14] <bkerensa> hi jono
[01:14] <jono> hey bkerensa
[01:14] <bkerensa> jono: how goes your weekend?
[01:14] <bkerensa> or Friday*
[01:15] <jono> bkerensa, good so far :-)
[01:15] <jono> getting ready for a fun weekend :-)
[01:15] <bkerensa> cool stuff
[01:15] <pleia2> weekend++
[01:16] <bkerensa> I'm going to see the Spruce Goose
[01:16] <bkerensa> :D
[01:16] <bkerensa> then find a nice Casino :D
[01:16] <pleia2> cool!
[01:18] <pleia2> maybe you can fly the Spruce Goose to a casino
[23:06] <daker> hey guys any good topic(ubuntu) for a 10min lightning talk ?


[10:28] <mdz> pitti: there's nothing left in unchecked, and I've processed everything from accepted
[10:28] <elmo> I assume these want to go into main?
[10:28] <pitti> great
[10:28] <mdz> pitti: -fo is new, eh?
[10:29] <Kamion> Riddell: you have new kubuntu/daily-live builds
[10:29] <pitti> mdz: oh, hm, entirely possible
[10:29] <Riddell> and i386 is even undersized
[10:29] <pitti> mdz: drop it if it creates trouble
[10:29] <Riddell> thanks Kamion
[10:29] <mdz> elmo: (yes)
[10:29] <mdz> pitti: seed it
[10:30] <mdz> Kamion,Riddell: kubuntu-live wants to move into universe; bad seed merge?
[10:30] <lamont> elmo: nm
[10:31] <pitti> elmo, mdz: seeded
[10:31] <Kamion> mdz: oh, yeah, my fault, fixing
[10:31] <pitti> elmo, mdz: oops, wait, commit failed; gimme 1 minute
[10:32] <pitti> elmo, mdz: -fo committed
[10:32] <mdz> pitti: and the new packs for the install CD?
[10:34] <ogra> mdz, looks like there are some people upset with the broken pt_BR tanslation (see -devel and the bug)... Kamion said .desktop files are not handled by .po files and i have the fix ready for upload here...
[10:34] <ogra> (tesbuilt and tired)
[10:35] <pitti> mdz: shall I commit the seed changes directly? or do you wnat to take a look at the diff?
[10:35] <mdz> ogra: you said a few minutes ago that this was not a .desktop file
[10:35] <mdz> pitti: go ahead
[10:36] <mdz> ogra: which bug?
[10:36] <ogra> mdz, the translation stuff for that .desktop file is in the po
[10:36] <ogra> 16448
[10:36] <Kamion> oh, what's wrong with the timezone screen now
[10:37] <ogra> mdz, i wasnt aware that .desktop files are not handled by langpacks... the .desktop file in the source is empty (us only) inded
[10:37] <mdz> ogra: upload it; if we need to build a new livefs anyway we will roll it in, otherwise target breezy-updates
[10:38] <ogra> ok
[10:38] <mdz> ogra: the situation with .desktop files is documented on the release schedule and has been for some time
[10:38] <ogra> mdz, i'll read it immediately
[10:38] <mdz> I also mentioned it in my release status update to -devel when the freeze date arrived
[10:40] <mdz> Kamion: are the new ubuntu livefs builds ready?
[10:41] <Kamion> mdz: yes
[10:41] <Kamion> mdz: but probably not amd64
[10:41] <mdz> Kamion: amd64 will need a new one, or has one already in progress?
[10:42] <Kamion> mdz: in progress, lamont's doing it
[10:43] <mdz> unless it's far along, we might as well redo all 3 and get xscreensaver and launchpad-integration in
[10:43] <Kamion> ok, but I want to see the outcome of lamont's build for size purposes
[10:44] <Kamion> oem-config etc. uploads coming up now; tested, and they worked with one small modification (reloading /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.templates because something seems to be trashing the translations from it in the templatedb, and I'm buggered if I'm going to track that down now)
[10:45] <Florob> Sorry to bother you all with a silly user question, but nobody else seems to know: Is there any specific reason, why the caligula themes are not packaged for breezy, or is it just lack of time, or do I miss something obvious.
[10:45] <pitti> mdz, Kamion: I added all langpacks to amd64 and i386, they don't even fill the CD up; powerpc is committed, too
[10:46] <mdz> pitti: excellent
[10:49] <pitti> mdz: the complete lack of langpacks on the live CDs is more worrying, but I guess it's too late for that
[10:50] <Kamion> mdz: what about this xkeyboard-config thing in accepted? daniels checked it with a number of people, it apparently works on all arches, fixes a major bug, but I didn't want to touch the actual approval myself
[10:50] <mdz> pitti: how much could we fit?
[10:50] <mdz> Kamion: not touching it
[10:50] <mdz> no bug refs in the .changes, diff is non-obvious
[10:50] <mdz> too late
[10:51] <Kamion> +    $threelevellayouts, although this is only cosmetic (closes: Ubuntu#13527).
[10:51] <mdz> uploads at this stage are subject to the same criteria that breezy-updates will be
[10:51] <Kamion> (point of information)
[10:51] <mdz> so if it's safe for now, it'd be just as good after release
[10:51] <Kamion> oh, the bug number was typoed
[10:51] <pitti> mdz: none to amd64 apparently, four big ones to i386 and ppc
[10:51] <Kamion> no, I'm just looking in the wrong place
[10:51] <Kamion> +    $threelevellayouts, although this is only cosmetic (closes: Ubuntu#15327).
[10:52] <Kamion> argh, and *that* was typoed too
[10:52] <mdz> Kamion: it was obviously hurried
[10:52] <Kamion> #15372 was the number
[10:52] <mdz> xkb is a nightmare and I want no part of it
[10:52] <seb128> daniels is pinging people all around the place for some days
[10:53] <seb128> and those changes seem to fix the weird issues reported on GNOME and duped according to bugzilla feedback
[10:53] <mdz> seb128: we are releasing now
[10:53] <seb128> (not that I'm pushing them)
[10:53] <seb128> mdz: yeah, I agree that's quite late ... we will get them with -update?
[10:53] <mdz> and there are a bunch of other changes in there as well
[10:54] <mdz> seb128: not enough information for me to predict that
[10:54] <fabbione> i guess it's going to be a long long night
[10:54] <\sh> well...I really admire mdz ... no joke
[10:54] <mdz> seb128: if we can get a minimal, well-tested upload prepared, I don't see why not
[10:55] <mdz> seb128: it's not critical at install time, right?
[10:55] <ogra> \sh, we all do
[10:55] <pitti> mdz: ok, let's not touch the live images to have some safety margin for new uploads and the growing new langpacks
[10:55] <\sh> I think gentoo will say: come on...let's get every untested patch get in...actually it's bleeding egde
[10:55] <seb128> mdz: no
[10:55] <Kamion> mdz: I'll approve the oem-config stuff now
[10:55] <mdz> Kamion: ok
[10:55] <Kamion> then we can get debian-installer built, and then get started on images
[10:55] <mdz> Kamion: gparted is also ->dapper btw
[10:56] <pitti> mdz: is it reasonable to sleep now to start the mega-test in about 8 hours? or is it vital to test them ASAP and crash afterwards?
[10:56] <Kamion> mdz: noted
[10:56] <fabbione> Kamion: any of these 3 udebs will land in the initrd?
[10:56] <Kamion> (I thought it probably was)
[10:56] <Kamion> fabbione: yes
[10:56] <Kamion> fabbione: 21:55 < Kamion> then we can get debian-installer built, and then get started on images
[10:56] <\sh> ogra: no...seriously this guy at ISH? and no changerequest will be fulfilled ;)
[10:56] <mdz> pitti: if you are tired, sleep
[10:56] <fabbione> Kamion: ok..
[10:56] <Kamion> fabbione: only kbd-chooser is arch: any
[10:57] <fabbione> Kamion: roger
[10:57] <mdz> pitti: save it for tomorrow night ;-)
[10:59] <pitti> mdz: btw, I already tested all images today (I thought it made more sense to be able to actually fix things); no big issues
[11:00] <pitti> mdz: powerpc live did not shut down totally cleanly for me, but it works for other people
[11:00] <Kamion> mdz: I'm uploading the new d-i, but please don't approve it just yet
[11:00] <mdz> Kamion: all yours
[11:00] <mdz> pitti: what was the issue?
[11:01] <pitti> ok, I'm dizzy and tired anyway, I'll crash now and get up early, unless there is some catastrophy
[11:01] <mdz> pitti: good night
[11:01] <pitti> mdz: after ejecting the CD it did not ask for pressing Enter
[11:01] <mdz> pitti: sometimes on powerpc there seems to be a long delay there, but it eventually comes up
[11:01] <pitti> mdz: and didn't react to it, but the autoreboot after 30 seconds, or the ctrl+apple+power worked fine
[11:01] <dholbach> night pitti
[11:01] <seb128> elmo: kbd sync please
[11:01] <seb128> "night pitti
[11:02] <pitti> mdz: no blocker IMHO
[11:02] <mdz> there is no autoreboot that I know of
[11:02] <\sh> pitti: I#m dizzy, too...but heavy dizzy
[11:02] <fabbione> \sh: get some reast
[11:02] <pitti> mdz: ok, then it was just the delayed reaction to my enter press, I guess
[11:02] <fabbione> rest even
[11:02] <mdz> pitti: yes, enter seems to work even when the message does not display quickly
[11:02] <fabbione> \sh: we will need everybodys help tomorrow to test the images
[11:02] <pitti> mdz: I leave my mobile on in case there is some trouble with langpacks
[11:03] <mdz> \sh: drink water and sleep
[11:03] <pitti> good night, cu tomorrow
[11:03] <\sh> mdz: too late..
[11:03] <ogra> mdz, he had to much beer already i suppose :)
[11:03] <fabbione> \sh: close IRC, take a break and relax
[11:03] <pitti> langpack buildd output looks fine :-)
[11:04] <\sh> ogra: don't suppose
[11:04] <ogra> heh
[11:04] <\sh> i had a hard day at work...and forget it..going to bed...good night
[11:05] <ogra> \sh, ciao
[11:05] <dholbach> night \sh
[11:05] <\sh> mdz: appreciate your work...really...I would like to see u as project manager in our company...
[11:05] <ogra> lol
[11:05] <mdz> \sh: thanks, but I think I have enough work for now ;-)
[11:06] <ogra> \sh, what a loss for the world having mdz locked in into ISH
[11:06] <mdz> what is ISH?
[11:06] <ogra> www.ish.de
[11:06] <dholbach> a telco/tv company
[11:06] <HWolf> \sh, we all kind of apprecaite your work too. :)
[11:06] <mvo> night \sh
[11:06] <HWolf> but without typing errors, really. :)
[11:07] <ogra> mdz, my former company... \sh is one of my former colleagues :)
[11:07] <\sh> HWolf: thx :) but I'm just another guy
[11:07] <mdz> ogra: oh, I didn't realize
[11:07] <ogra> mdz, and actually look at mvo's ip ;)
[11:07] <HWolf> \sh, sure, but doing a lot of work. :)
[11:07] <mdz> telcos can be difficult places to work
[11:08] <fabbione> the telco were i was working before, just crossed 50GB/sec of customer traffic today
[11:08] <\sh> mdz: I'm a stoopid ops guy...who kicks only non working servers and appliences
[11:08] <\sh> fabbione: that's nothing
[11:09] <fabbione> \sh: only customers.. without services and anything else.. the real traffic is way higher :)
[11:09] <ogra> fabbione, ISH has 4.5 mio customers...
[11:10] <fabbione> ogra: ISH is not a Tier-1
[11:10] <fabbione> anyway
[11:10] <ogra> nope, they are a cable company that also provides voip and internet
[11:10] <fabbione> sorry i did drag you offtopic
[11:11] <\sh> fabbione: yeah for us, too :) only 30 analog tv streams..and finally 20 transport streams with aehm...20x20 dtv streams..fcking scary when I'm rebooting the scramblers for p0rn stuff
[11:11] <\sh> fabbione: u would have fun :)
[11:11] <fabbione> \sh: get a sleep.. on the unscrambled p0rn ;)
[11:12] <\sh> ah...btw
[11:13] <fabbione> \sh: -> GO TO SLEEP
[11:13] <mdz> lamont: is there a reasonable way for me to check up-to-dateness for myself, using stuff in http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/ perhaps?
[11:13] <\sh> fabbione: YES SIR ;)
[11:13] <fabbione> \sh: you need some rest and we need you fresh tomorrow
[11:13] <\sh> fabbione: well..no prob...I'll have to work at 4 UTC
[11:14] <\sh> quit
[11:18] <mdz> Kamion: is the winfoss issue resolved, or do we need hno73?
[11:18] <mdz> I have his phone number somewhere if so
[11:19] <hno73> mdz: I'm here
[11:19] <hno73> mdz: I made new uploads today, so I think it's resolved
[11:20] <hno73> if not let me know
[11:21] <Riddell> what's the winfoss issue and does it affect kubuntu?
[11:23] <hno73> Riddell: 'too much of it'
[11:23] <hno73> Riddell: AFAICT your ADM image still looks rather big ...
[11:23] <mdz> hno73: reading the log, yes, it looks like Kamion worked out what was wrong and we're OK
[11:23] <hno73> ok
[11:23] <mdz> hno73: he was getting a 404 trying to get a tarball I think, but I guess the URL was wrong or similar
[11:23] <hno73> Riddell: AMD64 even
[11:24] <hno73> The URL might be wrong in the bugzilla entry
[11:24] <mdz> Riddell: yep, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/breezy-install-amd64.OVERSIZED
[11:24] <mdz> Riddell: looks like you have some trimming to do, if that's up-to-date
[11:25] <Riddell> mdz: yep, top of my TODO list after testing the live CDs
[11:25] <hno73> mdz: It's all sitting nicely here: http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/
[11:27] <Kamion> mdz: it's resolved for Ubuntu, AFAIK
[11:27] <Kamion> lamont's latest build is MUCH smaller
[11:28] <Kamion> like, 81MB smaller
[11:28] <Riddell> Kamion: is kubuntu using the image at http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/ ?
[11:28] <Kamion> we could probably go back to using the i386 build on amd64 for Ubuntu, in fact
[11:28] <Kamion> Riddell: yes, as I said before
[11:28] <Kamion>                                                                 echo http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/kubuntu/current/Kubuntu-WinFOSS-5.10.tgz
[11:28] <Kamion>                                                                 echo http://www.theopencd.org/winfoss/kubuntu-AMD/current/Kubuntu-WinFOSS-5.10-AMD.tgz
[11:28] <Riddell> Kamion: great
[11:29] <fabbione> ok guys
[11:29] <mdz> Kamion: that's, err, worryingly smaller
[11:29] <fabbione> i am off to sleep
[11:29] <Kamion> mdz: it's not much bigger than the i386 image, though
[11:29] <fabbione> mdz/Kamion: i have my mobile phone with me if something shows up
[11:29] <mdz> Kamion: where did 81M come from?
[11:29] <Kamion> lamont: have you by any chance only been e2fs-zero.py'ing the amd64 image for some time, not removing the old- cloop?
[11:29] <mdz> fabbione: ok, good night
[11:29] <fabbione> otherwise i will be back in 6 or less
[11:29] <fabbione> night
[11:30] <Kamion> hno73: yeah, the URL was wrong in bugzilla, but it's fixed in cdimage now
[11:31] <hno73> cool
[11:31] <Kamion> lamont: also, could you take the thing you just did to the Ubuntu amd64 image and do it to Kubuntu amd64 as well, please?
[11:32] <Kamion> mdz: I think we've just been using sladen's zeroing script for a while, and not realising that it hadn't in fact been working properly
[11:34] <Kamion> so, with 66MB difference between the WinFOSS tarballs (as of last download), 81MB decrease in cloop size, and amd64 only being 8MB over, I think we can switch amd64 back to the tarball including OOo2
[11:35] <Kamion> mdz: (FWIW, my mobile's AWOL at the moment; use my landline on Offices if you need to call)
[11:36] <hno73> Kamion: or I can make an AMD tarball like the i386 one, but sans gaim, saving ~7MB
[11:37] <Kamion> hno73: it appears that the i386 tarball will now fit on the amd64 live CD, though
[11:38] <hno73> Kamion: cool, all the better
[11:38] <Kamion> so if we're not going to be adding more langpacks to the live CDs (mdz?) then we might as well use the space for WinFOSS
[11:38] <lamont> Kamion: 550601665
[11:38] <lamont> wow.  sladen's code is b0rked.
[11:38] <Kamion> lamont: how long have we been relying on sladen's code for amd64 reduction?
[11:38] <lamont> Kamion: the solution is to reset
[11:38] <Kamion> (by hand or otherwise)
[11:38] <lamont> Kamion: for my manual reductions
[11:39] <lamont> ia64 has been doing it automatically, none of the others have
[11:39] <Kamion> lamont: put another way, when did you last manually reset, roughly?
[11:39] <lamont> Kamion: breezy never reset, other than when I ran sladen's code 2-3 weeks ago
[11:39] <Kamion> mdz: I think that explains it
[11:39] <lamont> (64-bit arch that is...32 is always)
[11:40] <Kamion> lamont: ok, definitely please do that for amd64 then
[11:40] <Kamion> lamont: er, for Kubuntu I mean
[11:40] <lamont> kubuntu to happen, ubuntu already happened.
[11:40] <Kamion> yep
[11:40] <lamont> kubuntu to happen, ubuntu already happened.
[11:40] <lamont> ga
[11:40] <lamont> ubuntu already done
[11:41] <lamont> actually, next kubuntu (and base) loads on ubuntu will already get fresh fsimages.
[11:41] <ajmitch> morning
[11:41] <lamont> Kamion: unless you say "no", I'm going to nuke all 3 on ia64 and start a fresh build of all 3
[11:41] <Kamion> lamont: fine by me
[11:41] <lamont> ok
[11:42] <Kamion> hno73: I'll keep using the special amd64 tarball on Kubuntu for the meantime
[11:42] <Kamion> as it's tighter on space
[11:43] <hno73> Kamion: OK, will you need me for urgent stuff into the night or can I retire :)
[11:43] <lamont> and on that note, must go away for a few hours... back online in approx 7 hours give or take....
[11:43] <lamont> last call
[11:45] <Riddell> Kamion: does that mean I can expect new kubuntu amd64 live CD sometime soon?  I'm a little lost
[11:46] <Kamion> 21:56 < mdz> pitti: if you are tired, sleep
[11:46] <Kamion> 21:57 < mdz> pitti: save it for tomorrow night ;-)
[11:46] <Kamion> hno73: that goes for you too, I think :)
[11:46] <hno73> Kamion: oki :)
[11:46] <lamont> Kamion: ia64 building all 3, I launched no amd64 build besides that test-now-really-it amd64 ubunut
[11:46] <Kamion> lamont: I will start Kubuntu amd64 now, then
[11:47] <Kamion> actually, Kubuntu amd64/i386/powerpc
[11:47] <lamont> and remember base :-)
[11:47] <lamont> (not that we much care - if ubuntu builds, base will)
[11:47] <Kamion> yep
[11:47] <lamont> later then
[11:48] <Kamion> Riddell: in progress, yes
[11:50] <Kamion> fabbione: be careful to upload kbd-chooser before building debian-installer
[11:50] <Kamion> I'm assuming fabbione doesn't autosign
[11:51] <segfault> ogra: thanks! :-)
[11:52] <segfault> ogra: but did you get that po from Rosetta? the diff seems completely different from what i did. But there's no encoding problems, it's ok for breezy.
[11:53] <segfault> :)
[11:53] <ogra> segfault, thats the rosetta po file, converted to utf-8 and the encoding string fixed
[11:54] <ogra> i have no idea how to tell rosetta to give it to me as utf-8 sadly...
[11:54] <segfault> file pt_BR.po
[11:54] <segfault> pt_BR.po: UTF-8 Unicode PO (gettext message catalogue) text
[11:54] <Kamion> that's what msgconv's for
[11:54] <segfault> i sent it as utf8, dunno what happened
[11:55] <mdz> Kamion: might as well go for a fuller winfoss bundle, yeah
[11:55] <Kamion> I think Rosetta always outputs in the encoding that's published in the archive for that .po file if it can
[11:55] <Kamion> it probably should have a fallback case for if the text isn't fully representable in that encoding
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> guys, current dist-upgrade...
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> 29 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> Need to get 32.7MB of archives.
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> After unpacking 26.8MB disk space will be freed.
[12:00] <HiddenWolf> 26mb will be _freed_ ?
[12:01] <zyga> HiddenWolf: what was updated?


[00:30] <EvanCarroll> minimal: It's interesting how bad this problem is.
[00:30] <EvanCarroll> minimal: like on the rsync/ssh suggestion, the docs on local-exec say Important: Use provisioners as a last resort. There are better alternatives for most situations. Refer to Declaring Provisioners for more details.
[00:31] <EvanCarroll> I still have 0 idea of how to get a private key onto a machine safely.
[00:53] <minimal> EvanCarroll: after the machine is up then scp/sftp it *to* the machine from somewhere else? (assuming the pub key for the "somewhere else" account was in your user-data to add it to a user's authorized_keys file)
[00:57] <minimal> what myself and the other people in the terraform channel are all basically saying is that typically private SSH keys should *never* leave the machine that they are created on...
[01:00] <minimal> how are you intending to machine your VMs on an ongoing basis? Terraform is only for creating them in the 1st place, not for looking after them after that - that's usually where Ansible/Pupper/Salt/Chef/etc come in...
[01:01] <minimal> s/to machine/to look after/
[01:44] <EvanCarroll> minimal: sure, but if provisioning is dependent on that happening _BEFORE_ then it's not clear how cloud-init is supposed to work. What I need cloud-init to do, it can only do _after_ the key exists on the machine.
[01:45] <minimal> EvanCarroll: cloud-init can do what you are trying to do - I merely pointed out that its not a secure thing to do
[01:45] <EvanCarroll> minimal: This is just to so people can create a development sandbox. The idea here is that their working machine has a key which is authenticated with BitBucket and GitLab and that they create a sandbox in the cloud that they can do destructive things on with that key.
[01:46] <minimal> the metadata server is basically an unauthenticated webserver
[01:46] <minimal> so its contents are "open season" for anyone
[01:46] <EvanCarroll> minimal: yes, but it's kind of bothering that there is no secure method to do what I want _with_ cloud init, I would have to use Terraform, ssh the key, then provision it with ansible or something else.
[01:47] <EvanCarroll> yeah, I'm abusing the metadata server. =(
[01:47] <minimal> and I asked how you are intended to admin these VMs going forward....Terraform's not the tool for that
[01:47] <minimal> so whatever you use to admin them could ensure that the key stuff is dealt with
[01:49] <EvanCarroll> minimal: I don't I intend to have these VM's replaced entirely not updated/admin'd.
[01:49] <minimal> can't people use the SSH keys on their own laptops/desktop via SSH agent forwarding?
[01:49] <EvanCarroll> So if the user has a different key, they would just re `terraform apply` and get a fully new sandbox.
[01:50] <minimal> ^^^ my last question
[01:50] <minimal> that way their keys never leave their own device(s)
[01:57] <EvanCarroll> It's just a different security profile, sure I could make that work too I'd just prefer to solve this problem if possible. If I don't forward, the risk is if someone compromises the box as a non-root user they can access a key that I'm storing on the box as root-only. If I do forward, and someone compromises the box and gets root access, they'll have access to all keys from the forwarding agent.
[01:57] <EvanCarroll> The key I'm installing just has access to source code. The keys in the agent may have access to customer information.
[02:00] <minimal> ok. i'll leave you to figure it out - everyone's basically saying it a bad idea to do things that way
[02:02] <minimal> you're stuck in a catch-22 as how can you securely transfer the private keys if you have not established a secure transfer mechanism yet