[02:05] <phillw> !metapackage
[02:05] <phillw> !lubuntu-desktop
[02:06] <phillw> !ubuntu-desktop
[02:06] <phillw> hmmm, not yet sync'ed then
[02:07] <phillw> oooh, it is, I missed it :D
[02:10] <MonthOLDpickle> hey
[02:10] <MonthOLDpickle> the best way to install wine is sudo apt-get install wine
[02:13] <ghuru> hello guys!
[02:14] <ghuru> I was wondering how do you do network discovery on Lubuntu?
[02:35] <phillw> ghuru: there seems to be a little package missing, it's being worked on.
[02:36] <phillw> I'm just a documentor, so am struggling to keep up with the tech talk on this, you can ask on the mailing list.
[02:36] <phillw> bioterror: are you asleep?
[02:37] <czz> does lubuntu get updates at the same time as ubuntu?
[02:37] <czz> or is there a delay process?
[02:38] <phillw> czz: the updates through the cycle from one release to the next run at the same time.
[02:38] <phillw> as they are *buntu family releases
[02:38] <czz> seems like i get less updates for chromium
[02:38] <czz> i was getting 1 every 1-2 days
[02:39] <phillw> maybe chromium is stablising, it depends if you're running stable or daily build.
[02:40] <czz> dev. build
[02:40] <phillw> chromium issues a daily build, but it has to be added.
[02:40]  * phillw waves to hyperair
[02:40] <czz> phillw, which do you use?
[02:41] <ghuru> pyneighborhood
[02:41] <ghuru> i guess im sticking to that one
[02:41] <phillw> I use stable as am 3G atm, when I'm on ethernet I use daily
[02:41] <ghuru> this thing runs so nice on a netbook
[02:42] <phillw> ghuru: It's a nice little system :) , but, then again I'm biased as I love it to bits.
[02:42] <czz> phillw, do you code for lubuntu?
[02:43] <phillw> czz: no, I'm a documentor / wiki person
[02:43] <ghuru> phillw the only thing it is missing is a network discovery tool, or a tool to dicover and share over smb
[02:44] <ghuru> oyneighborhood does part of the job though
[02:44] <phillw> ghuru: there is a patch for that, just that I don't fully understand what the devs were on about enough to write up the notes up yet.
[02:44] <ghuru> well i guess ill wait on that :)
[02:45] <phillw> ghuru: I'll have it up in a couple of days.
[02:47] <phillw> there is one package that you need... let me go check through the emails and see if I can find it.
[02:47] <phillw> me thinks it is gvfs-backend, but I do need to check.
[02:49] <phillw> ghuru: " I was remembering I needed something and it was gvfs-backends. I apt-get'd it and now it works"
[02:49] <phillw> heck, I was close :D
[02:52] <phillw> pcmanfm can then see them.
[02:53] <phillw> it is going to be sorted out; it appears it was an oversight that it was not included on the iso.
[02:56] <ghuru> but is this like a gui?
[03:00] <lubatic> Woohoo, made my first "fix".  Addressess "mailto:" bug in Chromium. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/662544/comments/2
[03:01] <MonthOLDpickle> how do I install java?
[03:02] <rlc> how do i get the login screen enabled again?
[03:03] <MonthOLDpickle> rlc
[03:04] <MonthOLDpickle> Preferences > Users and Groups > On yoru usernam hit advance
[03:04] <rlc> brb
[03:06] <rlc> change advanced settings where?
[03:10] <MonthOLDpickle> should be on right
[03:10] <rlc> I dont see the login here ... onlt delete user
[03:11] <rlc> options: disable account, home dir., shell, main grp, userid
[03:12] <MonthOLDpickle> I need to install java anyone know how
[03:12] <MonthOLDpickle> http://i51.tinypic.com/sxdgmc.png
[03:13] <rlc> have you checked synaptic?
[03:14] <MonthOLDpickle> oh I am in terminal
[03:20] <rlc> ok whats the command?
[03:40]  * hyperair waves at phillw
[03:41] <phillw> hyperair: you get the email ?
[03:42] <hyperair> what email?
[03:42] <phillw> I just sent one to the mailing group "padawans"
[03:44] <hyperair> O_o
[03:44] <hyperair> i don't think i know any mailing group like that
[03:44] <phillw> no, the subject was padawans, it was sent to the lubuntu maiing list
[04:13] <hungtran> hello, anyone here has tried lubuntu with a 128MB RAM machine?
[04:16] <phillw> hungtran: yeah many have
[04:17] <phillw> installing it off the normal cd will not work on such a machine though.
[04:19] <phillw> hungtran: you will need to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[04:20] <hungtran> phillw: oh thanks I know it, I just want to be sure that we could run Lubuntu on machines like that
[04:21] <phillw> hungtran: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended%20Audience and the team are resolute that it will remain the case.
[04:24] <hungtran> phillw: in 10.10 update manager uses much memory, is it safe if I remove it?
[04:24] <phillw> yes, quite safe
[04:25] <phillw> you can manually update if you want, but lubuntu does not issue releases every two days like some do :)
[04:27] <phillw> if you use the mini-iso it installs without auto-updates turned on.
[04:28] <hungtran> phillw: yeah, I don't think put update manager in lubuntu is a good idea, my old laptop runs 10.10 a bit slower than 10.04, but I think that because i'm familiar with terminal and linux, some new Linux users could like update manager :)
[04:28] <hungtran> phillw: yes, I use mini-iso but update manager is still running and uses about 10MB RAM :(
[04:29] <phillw> it's always a hard call to make; we want lubuntu to be user friendly, but with that comes an overhead.
[04:30] <phillw> you can remove it, and get that precious 10MB of RAM back.
[04:32] <hungtran> phillw: do you know about translation process? lubuntu team updates new translation or lxde team does? Vietnamese translation is almost done now but I can't see it in 10.10
[04:32] <phillw> Step 9 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall says to leave it off? Are you saying it is being turned back on ?
[04:33] <hungtran> phillw: yes I always turn it off, it's like my habit now :), I always update ubuntu and lubuntu in terminal
[04:34] <phillw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Translations has details on translation projects.
[04:34] <hungtran> phillw: i think it auto update is off but update manager is on, it runs but I think I do nothing
 phillw: i think it auto update is off but update manager is on, it runs but I think it does nothing
[04:34] <phillw> hungtran: I will file a bug for you.
[04:35] <hungtran> phillw: oh thanks
[04:35] <phillw> lubuntu should not be using up 10MB of your RAM for a useless process.
[04:38] <hungtran> phillw: my old laptop has 256MB RAM but lubuntu runs slowly, slower than windows xp does, so I'm not sure where these problems come from
[04:41] <phillw> hungtran: I've filed a report to the dev team.
[04:42] <phillw> as it is a small team, it may be couple of days before I have a resolution for you. My initial thinking is to use 10.04
[04:44] <phillw> If you do not have a 10.04 disk, then I can give you link to get one.
[04:46] <hungtran> phillw: thank you, I get one :)
[04:47] <phillw> do you need a link to get it?
[04:47] <phillw> I hold copies on my server area.
[04:47] <hungtran> phillw: I'm going to have a talk a FOSSASIA 2010 in Vietnam, I'm going to introduce Lubuntu, so I think I should use the new release
[04:49] <phillw> okay, the dev team are usually quick responding to an email via the mailing list.
[04:49] <phillw> hungtran: you may want to have read through and join https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
[04:52] <phillw> hungtran: it's obvious that you want push lubuntu out, so by doing that you will get up to date information of where the project is at.
[04:53] <hungtran> phillw: oh I joined as translator, I'm in launchpad and mailing list too
[04:54] <phillw> you will see the reply to my earlier question about update-mamnager, then :)
[04:55] <phillw> once it is replied to :D
[04:58] <hungtran> phillw: uh oh, I misunderstand, what uses 10 MB RAM is "update-notifier" not "update-manager", update-notifier runs automatically in the background and update-manager is just a gtk application
[04:59] <phillw> ::sigh ::
[04:59] <phillw> okies I'll update the email, you should get a copy of it.
[05:00] <hungtran> oh sorry
[05:00] <hungtran> but the same question, is it safe to remove it, i mean update-notifier
[05:01] <phillw> yeah, trash it. you not need it - as you said, you manually update
[05:02] <zkriesse> wazzzup
[05:02] <zkriesse> ya'll
[05:02] <phillw> g'day zkriesse
[05:03] <hungtran> phillw: you could let me update on mailing list
[05:03] <zkriesse> hey phillw
[05:03] <zkriesse> phillw: who was that guy (your buddy?) that was setting up a forum?
[05:03] <phillw> hungtran: have you had my update through?
[05:04] <hungtran> ah, i got it
[05:04] <phillw> zkriesse: offtopic, please
[05:04] <phillw> reply to all !!!!!
[05:07] <phillw> hungtran: please do not spam the mailing list, not that I need to tell you that. The lubuntu team is real small & we all put in what spare time we have into project (and then some more).
[05:09] <hungtran> phillw: I'm sorry so sorry :(
[05:10] <phillw> hungtran: you never need to apologise, I was not saying that you had, only requesting that you do not :D
[05:28] <bioterror> :D
[05:28] <bioterror> I can help too :-)
[05:28] <bioterror> sorry
[05:28] <bioterror> !lubuntu
[05:29] <bioterror> !lubuntu-desktop
[05:29] <bioterror> niiice
[07:50] <audio> Is it possible to instruct the Lubuntu 10.10 installer to install GRUB to the Lubuntu partition rather than the MBR?
[07:51] <audio> I'm looking to boot multiple OS's from the same disk via PLOP boot manager.
[07:52] <bioterror> ofcourse you can remove the grub and use what ever you want?
[07:53] <audio> bioterror: Hi, again.  I do not want to remove GRUB just not install it to the MBR which has happened on the test rig I am using.
[07:53] <audio> I want to recreate the test rig with GRUB in the Lubuntu partition
[07:54] <audio> I am wondering how to tell the 10.10 installer how to do this?
[08:11] <audio> By way of a little explanation - PLOP finds and presents the boot loader of each OS and allows a simple choice of which to start.  It also provides booting from CD/USB for those (older) PCs which don't have the capability.
[08:25] <bioterror> huh
[08:25] <bioterror> I was busy D:
[08:25] <audio> It happens to us all...
[08:28] <audio> I suppose the question boils down to: when using the 10.10 CD installer is there an option to tell it where to install GRUB?
[08:31] <bioterror> seems that the mbr is the correct way for the grub
[08:33] <audio> yes, MBR is frequently used but it is also often installed to an OS partition.
[08:36] <audio> Some additional info ref: PLOP site http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html#installhd  Section 6
[08:50] <zebastianortis> how do i regulate the screen brightness in lubuntu
[08:50] <zebastianortis> everytime i disconnect my laptop when i connect it again to the power plug it dims down
[08:50] <zebastianortis> its very annoying
[08:52] <zebastianortis> i need top brightness
[08:57] <bioterror> zebastianortis, hop
[08:57] <zebastianortis> hop?
[08:57] <bioterror> zebastianortis, from the preferences
[08:58] <zebastianortis> exact path?
[08:58] <bioterror> press the battery icon, click prefences and take off those dim display and things
[08:58] <bioterror> "lick the battery icon" ;)
[08:58] <bioterror> lick :D
[08:58] <bioterror> click
[08:59] <zebastianortis> ok i unchecked that
[08:59] <zebastianortis> still dim
[08:59] <bioterror> put it up
[08:59] <zebastianortis> if youre taking about the preferences>screensaver>advanced tab
[08:59] <bioterror> nope
[09:00] <zebastianortis> ok.......
[09:00] <bioterror> you have that battery icon in your task bar
[09:00] <bioterror> systray
[09:00] <zebastianortis> no i dont
[09:00] <bioterror> take off the cord
[09:00] <bioterror> and it will appear
[09:01] <zebastianortis> ok
[09:01] <zebastianortis> now what do i do on it
[09:01] <bioterror> Check the preferences
[09:02] <zebastianortis> what else
[09:03] <zebastianortis> it says brightness is set to a hundred percent
[09:04] <zebastianortis> there
[09:04] <zebastianortis> thank you http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/roberts-m1.1.1.html
[10:38] <andriii> Hey :)
[10:39] <bioterror> hi
[10:49] <akis> is it available a live-cd?
[10:52] <head_victim> akis: Yes, it is a livecd and installation CD
[10:53] <akis> ok thaks. you mean i have just to burn it as .iso image?
[10:54] <head_victim> Yes, if you've downloaded the ISO file then you can just burn it to disk and it should boot up into a menu where you can just try Lubuntu
[10:54] <akis> ok. thanks again. bye
[11:57] <beginner0815> helo
[11:58] <beginner0815> does lubuntu have a text mode installer?
[12:15] <JoeMaverickSett> beginner0815: i think this might help you out; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Minimal%20Install
[12:18] <JoeMaverickSett> beginner0815: oh, sorry, i didn't look at it clearly, it's this; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[12:41] <beginner0815> JoeMaverickSett: thanks. i think i need a new ram stick first. :(
[16:04] <OlMightyGreek> hi
[16:04] <OlMightyGreek> is there a 64bit version of lubuntu?
[16:08] <JoeMaverickSett> OlMightyGreek: i think this might help you, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[16:08] <JoeMaverickSett> in that section it states how to get the 64bit version of lubuntu.
[16:09] <OlMightyGreek> ok, thanks. i also could build a lubuntu 64bit by using UCK, right?
[16:11] <JoeMaverickSett> OlMightyGreek: tbh, i don't know. it might work, though. :)
[16:37] <Kurdistan> hey guys
[16:38] <bioterror> hi
[16:39] <Kurdistan> bioterror I have problem updating my system
[16:39] <Kurdistan> I think the problem is sun java (jre).
[16:40] <bioterror> okay
[16:40] <bioterror> I suggest you to remove openjdk
[16:40] <bioterror> and install sun-java-jre
[16:40] <Kurdistan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/516317/
[16:42] <bioterror> ahhh
[16:42] <bioterror> it doesnt find the packageS+
[16:42] <Kurdistan> okey how can I fix it?
[16:48] <bioterror> hmmm
[16:48] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update
[16:49] <bioterror> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:49] <bioterror> how it works ;)
[16:49] <bioterror> hope it works even
[16:53] <Kurdistan> okey I will test
[16:53] <Kurdistan> do I need to upgrade to 10.10 for it to work
[16:53] <Kurdistan> stranges
[16:53] <MonthOLDpickle> Jurd
[16:53] <MonthOLDpickle> Kurdistan:
[16:53] <MonthOLDpickle> Do a full install I recommend
[16:53] <MonthOLDpickle> so backup your data
[16:53] <Kurdistan> I fixed it
[16:55] <Kurdistan> no need to dist-upgrade
[16:55] <Kurdistan> MonthOldpickle :) thx but no thx
[19:07] <hyperair> hmm what browsers do people here use?
[19:08] <hyperair> i've been looking for a suitable firefox replacement, now that it has turned into a supreme RAM hog that can eat up 30% of 2G
[19:09] <bioterror> chromium
[19:09] <bioterror> it's default in lubuntu
[19:12] <MonthOLDpickle> I use chromium on both windows and linux
[19:18] <hyperair> hmmm
[19:18] <hyperair> but chromium is just as bad in terms of memory consumption.
[19:18] <hyperair> if not worse.
[19:18] <bioterror> well
[19:18] <bioterror> try midori?
[19:19]  * hyperair is trying that at the moment
[19:19] <hyperair> so far it's hit 7%.
[19:19] <hyperair> which is pretty bad, but not terrible.
[19:19] <hyperair> yet
[19:20] <bioterror> haha
[19:20] <MonthOLDpickle> how many tabs?
[19:20] <MonthOLDpickle> extensions
[19:20] <MonthOLDpickle> etc
[19:20] <MonthOLDpickle> Mine barely uses any
[19:20] <MonthOLDpickle> and I usually have 6 tabs
[19:20] <hyperair> MonthOLDpickle: 3 tabs.
[19:20] <hyperair> MonthOLDpickle: i had more open just now, but the memory usage didn't drop after closing them
[19:21] <hyperair> extensions.. i have almost all the default ones enabled. maybe i should unload some
[19:21] <bioterror> hyperair, sudo apt-get install links2
[19:21] <hyperair> like mouse gestures, since i don't even know how to activate it
[19:21] <bioterror> hyperair, and then alt+f2 and you type "links -g"
[19:21] <hyperair> something graphical please.
[19:21] <MonthOLDpickle> I only have three extensions
[19:21] <MonthOLDpickle> whats links2 do ?
[19:22] <bioterror> every browser requires memory, ofcourse
[19:22] <bioterror> and nowdays internet pages are huge
[19:22] <hyperair> =\
[19:22] <hyperair> i should really switch back to 32-bit.
[19:22] <MonthOLDpickle> I liek chromium cause its actually efficent vs firefox
[19:22] <MonthOLDpickle> >.>
[19:22] <hyperair> my 32-bit p4 desktop doesn't seem to have problems with firefox.
[19:23] <MonthOLDpickle> efficient **
[19:23] <MonthOLDpickle> My duo 2 core intel at 3.2ghz with gb of ram and gtx260 has mem issues with FF
[19:23] <MonthOLDpickle> dunno about my mini 9 single core 1.9 atom
[19:23] <bioterror> I dont have any memory issues :-)
[19:23] <MonthOLDpickle> I just stay away from FF
[19:23] <MonthOLDpickle> it acts like IE
[19:23] <bioterror> I have lots of ram to waste :-)
[19:24] <hyperair> MonthOLDpickle: my p4 with 1G ram has no issues with FF whatsoever. pretty interesting eh.
[19:24] <MonthOLDpickle> no
[19:24] <MonthOLDpickle> P4 are decent cpus
[19:24] <hyperair> on the contrary, my 64-bit with dual core intel and 2G RAM has memory issues with firefox.
[19:25] <MonthOLDpickle> My moms P2 just finally died
[19:25] <MonthOLDpickle> lol
[19:25] <hyperair> MonthOLDpickle: i'm not talking about the CPU, i'm talking about the age and RAM capacity.
[19:25] <MonthOLDpickle> yea hyp thats mine set up 64 but duo 2 core
[19:25] <hyperair> for some reason, 32-bit firefox doesn't chew up the entire system's memory
[19:25] <MonthOLDpickle> He computer was a Pii at like 500mhz
[19:25] <MonthOLDpickle> ide everything
[19:26] <MonthOLDpickle> and amd like 15mb of ram
[19:26] <MonthOLDpickle> two sticks
[19:32] <hyperair> i bet it didn't run firefox.
[19:33] <MonthOLDpickle> end of its life it could barely run windows
[19:33] <MonthOLDpickle> XP
[19:33] <hyperair> i don't believe you can run windows xp on 15M of ram.
[19:33] <MonthOLDpickle> and man I built a pc for her for 276 total but the cd drive was a pain tog etout
[19:33] <MonthOLDpickle> I think thast the case I think one stick was BAD
[19:34] <MonthOLDpickle> prob why it died lol
[19:34] <bagoj> Hello Everyone, can you pls help me? I have a problem with Lubuntu 10.10 livecd, it cannot boot.
[19:34] <bagoj> MD5sum seems to be OK, I get the menu but after selecting "Try Lubuntu without modifying my computer" or similar I get only blinking cursor in the upper left corner
[19:34] <bagoj> What boot options should I use?
[19:34] <MonthOLDpickle> You using a CD or USB?
[19:34] <bagoj> CD
[19:35] <MonthOLDpickle> How did you download lubuntu?
[19:35] <MonthOLDpickle> and whats the file size?
[19:35] <bagoj> Directly from Lubutnu.net. The size is...
[19:35] <bagoj> ...572,014,592 bytes
[19:36] <MonthOLDpickle> thats the correct size
[19:36] <MonthOLDpickle> hummm I can't really help you there
[19:36] <bioterror> cd's should boot without a problem
[19:36] <MonthOLDpickle> I could suggest making a Bootable USB one and trying that
[19:36] <bioterror> if you have burned it properly
[19:37] <bagoj> :-( I'm quite new for this, I thought there are safe boot options that I could use
[19:37] <MonthOLDpickle> I always do USB boots
[19:37] <MonthOLDpickle> There is thats the try without installing
[19:37] <MonthOLDpickle> Do you have a spare USB you can use?
[19:37] <MonthOLDpickle> USB flash drive thingy
[19:37] <MonthOLDpickle> thats 1GB +
[19:38] <bioterror> if you can boot USB media
[19:38] <bioterror> some older pc's cannot
[19:38] <bagoj> OK then, I'm trying with universal usb installer, and got back in a couple of minutes :-)
[19:38] <MonthOLDpickle> okay
[19:38] <bagoj> I have a quite new notebook, it's 1,5 years old and have no problem with USB booting
[19:38] <MonthOLDpickle> which netbook
[19:38] <MonthOLDpickle> err notebook
[19:38] <bioterror> bagoj, awesome
[19:38] <bioterror> hmm
[19:39] <bioterror> bagoj, Unetbootin is kick ass for the installation media
[19:39] <bagoj> It's an ASUS f50s
[19:39] <MonthOLDpickle> pendrive usb universal is what I use in windows and unetbootin in linux
[19:39] <bagoj> So far I have Windows but it might change very soon. ;-)
[19:40] <bagoj> I'll check usb boot and get back, thank you!
[19:41] <MonthOLDpickle> Also USB booting saves resources lol
[20:03] <czz> firmware-b43-installer
[20:03] <czz> Setting up firmware-b43-installer (<IP_ADDRESS>-4) ...
[20:03] <czz> Not supported low-power chip with PCI id 14e4:4315!
[20:03] <czz> Aborting.
[20:03] <czz> dpkg: error processing firmware-b43-installer (--configure):
[20:03] <czz> i get this error everytime i install any updates
[20:05] <szczur> sudo apt-get purge firmware-b43-installer
[20:05] <szczur> before confirming please pastebin the output
[20:06] <szczur> eg. paste the text here > pastebin.com
[20:06] <czz> okay
[20:07] <czz> i also get an error when i try to install my wireless firmware
[20:07] <czz> the driver
[20:07] <bioterror> I noticed
[20:07] <bioterror> I have in my work hp laptops with same chipset
[20:07] <czz> interesting
[20:07] <szczur> so bioterror, no he's in your hands :>
[20:08] <szczur> now*
[20:08] <bioterror> no no
[20:08] <szczur> YES YES!
[20:08] <czz> :(
[20:08] <bioterror> I just booted once with my pendrive
[20:08] <bioterror> I dont have much experience on this one yet
[20:08] <bioterror> been too busy to play around :-)
[20:08] <szczur> and i have none
[20:09] <szczur> czz, and what with that output?
[20:09] <czz> let me pastebin
[20:09] <bioterror> somwehere around next week I might have time to check more those broadcoms
[20:10] <czz> szczur, http://pastebin.com/eJtU3yCG
[20:11] <szczur> ahh, only one package
[20:11] <szczur> so you can do it safely :)
[20:11] <czz> alright, thanks
[21:15] <mmaksimov> Hi, gang! After upgrading Lubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 I'm unable to create panel launcher for pcmanfm, though it starts normally if started from the menu. Any suggestions?
[21:33] <bagoj> Hello Everyone. It's me again, the guy who has problems booting from 10.10 livecd
[21:33] <bagoj>  I tried to boot from USB, and it's the same: after the menu I get blinking cursor at the upper left corner and that's all
[21:33] <bagoj> I deleted the "quiet splash" part from the boot options
[21:34] <bagoj> then I could see where it stops
[21:34] <bagoj> but I could not get further
[21:34] <bagoj> it's at the beginning of kernel init, I guess (I'm far from being an expert)
[21:35] <bagoj> it tells about EISA initialization, then cpu governor, then after "registered taskstats version 1" line it halts
[21:35] <bagoj> I downloaded Ubuntu 10.10, and it's the same
[21:36] <bagoj> so it must be the kernel (?)
[21:36] <MonthOLDpickle> I think there is a safe vga mode
[21:36] <MonthOLDpickle> don't ask me
[21:36] <MonthOLDpickle> lol
[21:36] <bagoj> lol :)
[21:36] <bagoj> No problem, I will google for it
[21:37] <enderwig> did you verify the md5 of the image you downloaded?
[21:37] <MonthOLDpickle> he mentioned before yes
[21:37] <enderwig> ok
[21:37] <bagoj> @enderwig: yes, I started with that
[21:37] <meetingology> bagoj: Error: "enderwig:" is not a valid command.
[21:38] <bagoj> yes, thanks, the ISO should be OK
[21:38] <bagoj> md5 and size match
[21:39] <bagoj> I guess Linux don't like my hardware. I tried 10.04 and 9.10 before, and it could not handle my ethernet card. Now I tried 10.10 and it is getting worse
[21:40] <mmaksimov> what hardware are you running on?
[21:41] <bagoj> It's an Asus F50S, the network card is an Atheros AR9285
[21:42] <bagoj> theoretically it is supported but I had no luck with it
[22:12] <Kurdistan> hey
[22:27] <Kurdistan> guys, I think it will be great if lubuntu lucis iso gets updated.
[22:27] <Kurdistan> like ubuntu lucid iso is ubuntu 10.04.1
[22:27] <Kurdistan> less update, better for the user and beginner.
[22:30] <Kurdistan> its not :) off-topic guys
[22:31] <MonthOLDpickle> I wouldn't know the difference
[22:31] <Kurdistan> its about user experience
[22:45] <MonthOLDpickle> explain
[22:45] <Kurdistan> I haved in the off-topic session
[22:45] <MonthOLDpickle> eh?
[22:45] <MonthOLDpickle> guessing lubuntu-offtopic
[22:47] <Kurdistan> yes
[22:47] <MonthOLDpickle> prob won't see it if I join it
[22:49] <file_not_found> helllo
[22:49] <MonthOLDpickle> hi
[22:50] <file_not_found> lubuntu works in amd 64 bits?
[22:50] <Kurdistan> file_not_found yes
[22:50] <Kurdistan> it works great under amd 64 bits
[22:50] <Kurdistan> :) I have it
[22:51] <phillw> file_not_found: if you want 'true' 64 bit, then you need a different kernal.
[22:51] <file_not_found> how?
[22:52] <Kurdistan> file_not_found you dont need 64 bits
[22:52] <Kurdistan> is it something speciell you want?
[22:52] <Kurdistan> but if you really want to try lxde edition with 64 bits take a look on lxde.org
[22:53] <phillw> It's not on the priority list, but can be done via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall That will give you the 64Bit Kernel and then you can put Lubuntu on top.
[22:53] <Kurdistan> you can download and try it out
[22:53] <Kurdistan> it is debian based
[22:53] <phillw> file_not_found: all the instructions for doing so are on that link.
[22:54] <file_not_found> yes
[22:55] <file_not_found> what is the specific link of 64 bits lxde?
[22:56] <Kurdistan> take look on the link phillw gave you file_not_found
[22:57] <phillw> file_not_found: just follow the instructions to install the 64Bit Kernel, Lubuntu does not mind if it runs on 32 or 64 bit system.
[22:58] <file_not_found> first I should install lubuntu?
[22:58] <phillw> file_not_found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[22:58] <phillw> follow the instructions, they took a lot of making :)
[23:05] <file_not_found> i am not speaking english very well but
[23:06] <file_not_found> what is the file what have to download?
[23:06] <file_not_found> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/installer-amd64/20100211ubuntu29/images/netboot/
[23:06] <phillw> file_not_found: what is your native language?
[23:06] <file_not_found> spanish
[23:06] <file_not_found> latin american
[23:06]  * phillw goes finds a spanish speaker
[23:07] <phillw> Yes, that is the correct link
[23:07] <file_not_found> what is the file to download?
[23:13] <file_not_found> i found
[23:13] <file_not_found> thanks very much
[23:13] <file_not_found> gracias
[23:14] <file_not_found> totales
[23:14] <file_not_found> #lubuntu
[23:14] <file_not_found> i will try lubuntu soon
[23:15] <phillw> you are welcome, I'm sorry that I only do english; I did ask and there were no spanish speakers around.
[23:16] <Kurdistan> by dear lubuntu users. have nice time.
[23:23] <jumpingclear> In 10.04 pcmanfm showed the folders in my home partition in the bottom of the left hand panel. This doesn't happen in 10.10. Anyone know how to set this up?


[11:01] <AlinuxOS> so no need of phone.
[11:01] <AlinuxOS> ah undertand :D
[11:02] <pitti> AlinuxOS: the irony is that we have the world's most modern telephone network and not able to provide a fast internet connection through them to the end user
[11:02] <AlinuxOS> pitti, TESTING TESTIN TESTING ?:)
[11:02] <pitti> AlinuxOS: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current, I did all I could :)
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> pitti, yes + Telecom's 15 Euro
[11:03] <pitti> If I see one more d-i today, I'll start crying
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> :D
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> I've tested 4-5 hours ago..
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> no problems here :)
[11:03] <infinity> pitti: Blue's not your favourite colour?
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: stop confusing me any further
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: if you refer to that ML thread, I didn't read it
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: oh, I understand. nevermind :)
[11:05] <pitti> (as it happens, blue *is* my favourite color :) )
[11:05] <AlinuxOS> but, I really like Humans colord :)
[11:05] <AlinuxOS> woddy/orange color :)
[11:05] <infinity> pitti: Dude, have you completely lost your mind?  What thread? :)
[11:05] <mdke> sounder thread
[11:06] <pitti> infinity: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-May/007069.html
[11:07] <infinity> We're going to ADD a question to the installer for the sake of themeing?
[11:07] <infinity> LIES.
[11:07] <mdke> i find it unlikely
[11:07] <infinity> Also, I rather like the brown.
[11:07] <infinity> I'm totally down with the brown.
[11:07] <mdke> but it may be one to add to the mass-rugby-tackle-sabdfl spec
[11:08] <jdub> branding > installer questions!
[11:08] <crimsun> sorry, but baby jebus is weeping here
[11:08] <jdub> ha ha
[11:08] <infinity> jdub: Whoah, where'd you come from?  Do you have "down with the brown" on nick hilight? :)
[11:08] <mdke> lol
[11:08] <jdub> crimsun: perhaps we should just say "BJC" in these kinds of circumstances
[11:09] <jdub> crimsun: add it to the project lingo
[11:09] <crimsun> mm yes
 *crack*
[11:09] <_ion> It would be a good idea to also add the question "would you like me to install an Atari ST emulator?" to the installer.
[11:09] <iwj> mdz: (if you're still there)  Yes; I'm filling them in the table.
 ... BJC
[11:10] <thom> _ion: no dude, everyone wants ST love by default
[11:10] <thom> even the amiga weenies who don't know that they do
[11:10] <LaserJock> hmm what about "Would you like me to make you a latte while the install progresses?"
[11:11] <jdub> we should just boot into hercules
[11:11] <_ion> Well, the fact that Atari suxor and Amiga rules _was_ the joke in that line. ;-)
[11:12] <infinity> thom: Hey, watch it, I'm an Amiga weenie.
[11:12] <Burgwork> _ion, dude, there are more private places for that ;)
[11:12] <mdke> ah, the pre release tension
[11:13] <thom> infinity: i know :-)
[11:14] <tritium> mjg59: I see you asked about the drive earlier.  Here are some details: http://linux.spiney.org/debian_gnu_linux_on_an_ibm_thinkpad_t43p_harddisk
[11:17] <sladen> tritium: it turns out those bridges are buggy.  IBM have actually patched the firmware on the IDE drives they've shipped with the machines...
[11:18] <sladen> tritium: I hit it today when I popped in another HDD to do some testing ...Bingo:  1020: Your harddrive does not have suitable firmware.  Please remove it.
[11:18] <tritium> sladen: yeah, I've definitely noticed the bugginess.    I'll check.
[11:20] <sladen> mdke: hope not.  what's your machine?
[11:20] <tritium> mdke: this is the first machine I've seen bus errors on resume with
[11:21] <mdke> sladen: a T43, without the p.
[11:21] <sladen> mdke: and more to the point, what's the bug-number you filed?  ;-)
[11:21] <mdke> sladen: I'll dig it out
[11:21] <sladen> mdke: lucky you, me and tritium.  See the page above too
[11:21] <mdke> sladen: with breezy I didn't have any errors
[11:22] <sladen> mdke: that's called a regressions then.  All the more reason for filing a bug report!
[11:22] <mdke> sladen: dude, stop insinuating I didn't file one ;)
[11:22] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source/+bug/39449
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39449 in linux-source "Error messages "over-current change on port 1"" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[11:23] <fabbione> that's not a regression
[11:23] <crimsun> that was in hoary and breezy.
[11:23] <fabbione> the overcurrent message is in the USB specs
[11:23] <fabbione> if you didn't get it before is because the kernel was not 100% compliant to the specs
[11:23] <tritium> that's good info.  Thanks again, sladen
[11:23] <mdke> I didn't say it was, I just said I didn't see them resuming
[11:24] <fabbione> usuall that error comes out only on first connect of the device
[11:24] <fabbione> not if it's already connected
[11:24] <fabbione> phisically'
[11:24] <mdke> it's usb? I think I've seen it when I haven't been using usb
[11:24] <mdke> i'll have to check
[11:25] <mdke> so that's a dupe I take it?
[11:25] <fabbione> rejected
[11:25] <fabbione> it's not a bug
[11:26] <mdke> well, the feedback when resuming is a bug, although probably not that one
[11:26] <fabbione> another user reported it in hoary
[11:26] <iwj> Riddell: do you have an opinion about bug 47780 (just filed) ?
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47780 in Ubuntu "example odt does not open after kubuntu breezy -> dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47780
[11:26] <fabbione> and i had to dig into the USB hw specs to understand where the hell it was coming from
[11:27] <mdke> fabbione: lucky you were here now, thanks
[11:27] <fabbione> mdke: basically, if you get that errror, stop buying cheap hw
[11:27] <mdke> fabbione: it was free from your employer
[11:27] <fabbione> not the host
[11:27] <mdke> how could I refuse
[11:27] <fabbione> the devices you plug to it
[11:28] <mdke> ipod/camera
[11:28] <fabbione> that error is basically generated when a plugged device return too much current on the port
[11:28] <mdke> ah, could be the usb mouse actually
[11:28] <mdke> that was cheap
[11:28] <fabbione> whatever is connected on port 1
[11:29] <fabbione> the host doesn't suffer of the issue
[11:29] <fabbione> the host detects the issu in the plugged device
[11:29] <fabbione> mdke: goggle for that error and adds USB hardware specification
[11:29] <fabbione> there are even hw schemas with examples
[11:30] <mdke> ok, thanks
[11:30] <mdke> anyhow, recently I've been getting loads of feedback on resume, not just that
[11:32] <tritium> hi sivang
[11:32] <sivang> Is it know that the desktop-cd takes ages to boot / load ?
[11:32] <sivang> (I already tested the live cd, and everything else on the graphical boot menu that did not require installation)
[11:35] <sivang> the boot and setup phase took much longer then it did for the breezy live cd)
[11:36] <sladen> seb128: none.  just crossing it off the list of bugs I had
[11:36] <seb128> "none" to what?
[11:38] <sladen> seb128: "what is the interest of the new comment?" in 34492
[11:38] <seb128> ah ok
[11:38] <seb128> yeah, it looked like a "I insist on my bug being a priority" comment
[11:39] <seb128> which is a sort of comment we don't really need, especially if the bug has been acknowledged and forwarded upstream
[11:40] <desrt> malone #34492
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34492 in gnome-utils "keybindings-properties: DoS by screenshot" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34492
[11:42] <sivang> seb128: in any event we are not going to fix anything like that now, only for updates right?
[11:43] <seb128> sivang: we are not fixing anything now, CD are rolled and will probably not be rolled again
[11:45] <mako> Burgwork: you around?
[11:45] <sivang> seb128: cool, would it make sense to give more testing now?
[11:45] <sivang> (cd testing, that is)
[11:45] <mako> Burgwork: we should talk here.. i have only a little bit of time left on this net connection :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:45] <seb128> sivang: cd testing are always useful
[11:46] <sivang> seb128: k
[11:49] <janimo> Kamion, as there's no final xubuntu release yet on cdimage, I hope it's not too late to rebuild xubuntu alternate. last comment on bug 41322. thanks
[11:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41322 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "add LTSP server option for xubuntu install CD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41322
[11:51] <janimo> back in the morning
[11:56] <pitti_> wb mdz
[11:56] <pitti_> mdz: reappearing at midnight for an early release? :)
[11:57] <doko_> pitti_: yesterday that was the time where "MiniBar" was called ;)
[11:57] <mdz> pitti_: just checking that all is quiet on the battle front before I sleep
[11:58] <pitti_> mdz: did you hear about any major breakages today?
[11:58] <pitti_> doko_: mmm, DrinkingBoF
[11:59] <mdz> BenC: I got a kIrDAd panic during my last boot
[11:59] <mdz> pitti_: none
[12:00] <kermitX_> hey guys. i just tried removing the xubuntu-desktop meta package via aptitude, and it automatically selected it's "contents" for removal -- it didn't used to do that.
[12:00] <pitti_> mdz: \o/ it worked surprisingly smooth for me, too
[12:00] <BenC> mdz: There's a bug report about it aswell, not on boot, but related to usage on some oddball case
[12:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, please use #ubuntu for support
[12:00] <kermitX_> seveas: this is not a devel issue? something changed on "your end" regarding this.
[12:00] <BenC> mdz: were you booting from a suspend?
[12:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, aptitude has always done that
[12:00] <pitti_> kermitX_: see #ubuntu, I answered
[12:00] <kermitX_> seveas: NO it has not.
[12:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, and for bugs there is the bugtracker
[12:01] <mdz> BenC: no, from a cold start (my first in a while)
[12:01] <mdz> BenC: the boot continued OK from there, though usplash timed out
[12:01] <BenC> mdz: Are you using irda in any way?
[12:01] <mdz> BenC: nope
[12:01] <BenC> maybe you had your tv remote aimed at it or something :)
[12:02] <mdz> BenC: my trace looks like the one in bug #46947
[12:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46947 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Oops with IrDA in 2.6.15-23-686" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46947
[12:02] <infinity> kermitX_: If you installed xubuntu-desktop via aptitude, it will, by default, record its dependencies as being "indirectly requested", and mark them for removal when nothing "directly requested" depends on them anymore.
[12:02] <infinity> kermitX_: This is aptitude behaviour you can disable, but it's always been like that.
[12:02] <mdz> BenC: exactly the same eip in fact


[03:04] <failmaster> guys, i have a problem trying to switch passphrase to keyfile authorization for root partition, while it works flawlessly for others on 13.04, however, the end-goal scheme used to work fine on 12.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/238163/comments/18 anyone?
[04:02] <freze> are there any vps guides?
[04:02] <freze> like a frist-step guide on what to do after getting into the server
[04:03] <freze> i.e. setting up ssh etc.
[04:45] <freze> does apt-get have a user friendly package management
[04:46] <anepanaliptos> it is user friendly.
[04:46] <anepanaliptos> if you're running gnome 'software center' -- if you're on kde, 'package manager'
[04:47] <anepanaliptos> or aptitude from the command line.
[04:47] <freze> I meant like aptitude
[04:47] <anepanaliptos> but most people just use apt-get install package
[04:47] <anepanaliptos> or apt-cache search text | grep some nicer filter
[04:48] <freze> apt-cache?
[04:48] <failmaster> so as i expected i end up with unbootable system dropped into initramfs environment
[04:49] <anepanaliptos> failmaster: oooo, i wish i could help you. but when it comes to that stuff, im clueless.
[04:49] <anepanaliptos> post a little more info, what's up?
[04:49] <failmaster> anepanaliptos, attention to the subject in more than i could expect
[04:50] <failmaster> i have a problem trying to switch passphrase to keyfile authorization for root partition, while it works flawlessly for others on 13.04, however, the end-goal scheme used to work fine on 12.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/238163/comments/18
[04:50] <failmaster> i suspect this issue is the same one
[04:51] <failmaster> pretty much similar setup with the only difference that in filed case he had a key on root fs and was mounting another non-root drive
[04:53] <failmaster> but i see connection between things especially after i've read answers of maintainers https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+question/37176
[04:55] <failmaster> most probably i'm wrong, but it's a bug, definitely, besides this debian wheezy and 13.04 server have a common issue not including usb drivers necessary to provide usb keyboard working at the stage when i'm craving for it in order to enter luks passphrase after first reboot =)
[04:56] <failmaster> but that's an old story
[04:56] <failmaster> no options but 12.04 actually
[04:57] <failmaster> the most smooth setup of such configuration atm
[05:22] <hanuman> hi
[05:23] <hanuman> i am installed kvm lvm based virtualmachine with dhcp, how can i get that virtual machine console
[05:44] <hanuman> i installed kvm lvm based virtualmachine with dhcp, how can i get that virtual machine console
[05:48] <SpinningWheels> i keep getting a message of "E: Internal Error, No file name for libssl1.0.0" when i attempt to apt-get -f install
[05:48] <freze> what kernel does 13.10 run?
[06:48] <jc> sarnold: Just to follow up on last night, my plan worked!
[06:49] <jc> sarnold: Renumbered new server from a 10.0.4.x/<IP_ADDRESS> address to a 10.3.0.x/<IP_ADDRESS> address, reconfigured the switch port and updated DNS, and it magically eliminated that ten-second connect delay
[06:49] <jc> sarnold: I hate DNS :/
[06:49] <freze> should I disable the root userr?
[06:53] <andol> freze: Well, you definitely want to have the root user in one capacity or another, but it might be worth disabling root logins, at least remote ones.
[06:54] <freze> andol by remote you mean ssh ones?
[06:54] <andol> freze: That would be the most common yes, unless you have set something additional up.
[06:57] <freze> andol: got it. sudo login root doesn't work by default right?
[06:58] <andol> freze: Not sure I follow...
[06:59] <freze> as in   "$sudo login root"
[07:00] <andol> Not sure, have never tried using the login command that way. Still, if you have full sudo right you can always do something like "sudo -i", and get a full root shell
[07:01] <freze> that works
[07:01] <freze> ty
[07:12] <freze> I did: sudo apt-get --purge remove apache2
[07:12] <freze> then I checked ps -A and apache2 is still running? How's possible if I uninstalled it.
[07:13] <andol> freze: I assume you still have a package apache2-mpm-something?
[07:14] <andol> freze: I'd say the easiet way to delete all apache2-related packages would be removing the apache2.2-common package. Just double that apt then don't also removes more than you want it to.
[07:14] <freze> hmm not sure. This ubuntu image game with apache2 preinstalled
[07:15] <andol> freze: dpkg --list | grep -i apache
[07:15] <freze> andol: that helps  I see a ton of apache packages
[07:15] <freze> I'll uninstall them
[07:17] <andol> freze: By the way, familiar with the | thingy? (Usually refered to as a pipe)
[07:17] <freze> yep
[07:17] <freze> I's this a good idea sudo apt-get remove apache2*
[07:51] <Semor> how to install systemtap on ubuntu precise1 kernel ?
[08:04] <bobz_zg> hi, anyone can help please. I have trouble with permissions on files i upload over FTP, i'm in group www-data, but when I upload filss over FTP they have have permissions 600, instead of 644 or 755. any advice?
[08:10] <lotia> hello all. working on an upstart job for ubuntu 12.04 LTS and am using the setuid directive within the job. I need to make sure certain directories exist, and can use the pre-start section, but the user being set may not have privileges to create the directories.
[08:11] <lotia> is the normal pattern to have another upstart task that creates directories and have that run as root?
[08:17] <jodh> lotia: yes
[08:18] <lotia> jodh: thanks
[08:23] <freze> can I safely delete usr/games
[08:48] <rbasak> jamespage, yolanda: are you aware of squid3's dep-wait on libecap2-dev in saucy-proposed?
[08:48] <yolanda> rbasak, no, first notice
[08:49] <yolanda> rbasak, no, sorry, yes, i forgot it
[08:49] <yolanda> i filed a MIR for it
[08:50] <yolanda> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libecap/+bug/1200173
[08:51] <rbasak> thanks yolanda!
[08:51] <rbasak> mdeslaur: ^^
[10:36] <Rapid2214> Hello, Has anyone got experience with HP DL360p and Ubuntu 12.04 with bonding?
[10:40] <rbasak> !anyone | Rapid2214
[10:44] <Rapid2214> Ok thanks, When setting up a bond on this hardware, it does not come up, whereas on a G7, the bond is initialises correctly
[11:08] <jamespage> Rapid2214, its possible that the G8 hardware works better with a newer kernel version that 3.2 as in 12.04
[11:09] <jamespage> Rapid2214, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack on how to install later kernels on 12.04 in a supported manner
[11:09] <mardraum> Rapid2214: you should also run the latest hp fimrware update dvd/usb on the hardware
[11:09] <mardraum> firmware*
[11:10] <Rapid2214> mardraum, I have updated all the firmware from HP - just did a test running: ifenslave bond0 eth0 - and it forces it in, normal ifup or boot doesn't seem to be adding the device - I will look at the kernels
[11:12] <Rapid2214> jamespage, intended for use on x86 hardware at this time :/
[11:16] <Rapid2214> Thinking the resolution to this bug will fix it, will let you know https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/996369
[11:26] <mdeslaur> rbasak: thanks
[12:31] <pimpf> hello
[12:31] <pimpf> someone alive? need bit help
[12:36] <xerxas> Hi all
[12:36] <xerxas> I would like apport / whoopsie to send me an email when a program has core dumped
[12:36] <xerxas> is it possible ? if so , how ?
[12:36] <rbasak> !ask | pimpf
[12:55] <DenBeiren> is there a known working tut to enable bonding in 12.04?
[12:57] <zul> jamespage:  hey half the sqlalchemy patch that we are carrying i pushed upstream
[13:01] <smoser> hallyn, around ?
[13:02] <Rapid2214> DenBeiren, I've been spending all morning on that - What do you need?
[13:04] <smoser> hallyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5962517/ is my rework of lxc-ubuntu-cloud to support clone
[13:04] <smoser> but i dont think clone is calling my lxc.clone.hook
[13:08] <smoser> stgraber, maybe ?
[13:09] <qman__> xerxas, I don't know if apport has that sort of feature, but you could write your own script which uses inotify to watch apport's log directory and sends you an email when a new file is created
[13:10] <xerxas> qman__: right, thanks. I think apport or whoopsie (don't know which one) , should have this sort a feature ... ;)
[13:16] <hplc> is it possible to get a more server-like interface?, somewhat a server console where i can control and configure common server software?
[13:18] <Rapid2214> hplc, a command line, what do you have at the moment?
[13:18] <hallyn> smoser: sorry, i'm here
[13:18] <hplc> Rapid2214: a base ubuntu server install with gnome running on top of it
[13:19] <Rapid2214> hplc, just open terminal or use SSHD to connect to a terminal session remotely
[13:19] <Rapid2214> <3 CLI
[13:19] <hplc> but kinda want the "classical" gui interface, where ftp cifs rsync and such is gatheresd
[13:19] <smoser> hallyn, you see that ?
[13:19] <smoser> it just doesn't seem to invoke me on clone
[13:19] <hallyn> looking
[13:20] <hplc> well CLI console would do too for that matter
[13:20] <hallyn> smoser: I think it'd be better to just ship a standard clone hook in /usr/share/lxc/hooks
[13:20] <hallyn> rather than have the template write it out
[13:21] <Rapid2214> hplc, not sure what you mean about a classic gui, terminal is the best imo
[13:21] <smoser> ok. i didn't know of /usr/share/lxc/hooks.
[13:21] <smoser> i'm ok with that.
[13:21] <smoser> but its not getting called anyway :)
[13:21] <hallyn> :)
[13:21] <hallyn> still looking
[13:21] <hallyn> smoser: which lxc version are you running?
[13:22] <stgraber> hallyn: not sure if you saw sarnold's comment on the MIR bug, anyway, I'll take care of getting LXC to build with the right hardening flags (not sure why it's not already the case ...)
[13:22] <hallyn> stgraber: I did see it.  I won't be ENTIRELY surprised if something breaks with those flags
[13:22] <hallyn> (i.e. some clone bits)
[13:22] <hallyn> but hopefully it just works
[13:24] <tomtom565> Hello>
[13:24]  * hallyn wishes add-apt-repository were installed byd efault in containers
[13:24] <hallyn> sick of guessing the source package based on release :)
[13:25] <smoser> hallyn, ppa from yesterday
[13:26] <smoser> lxc     <IP_ADDRESS>~staging~20130726-2106-0ubuntu1~ppa1~saucy1
[13:26] <hallyn> thanks, setting that up
[13:29] <hplc> hmm CLI it is then, what ftp server to go for? its on the inside, wont ever get in touch with external net, just need to be fast to setup
[13:30] <hallyn> smoser: hm, ubuntu-cloud requires uuidgen, guess we should add that to Depends
[13:33] <pimpf> have a question on how to install varnish on ubuntu
[13:34] <pimpf> i follow a tutorial and in this he write up "Create the file http://repo.varnish-cache.org/ubuntu/ precise varnish-3.0 and put the following in it:"
[13:34] <pimpf> what means this? and who i have to upload the "file" ???
[13:35] <lotia> pimpf: that is a repo definition. It should be put in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[13:35] <lotia> should be named something like varnish.list
[13:36] <hallyn> smoser: it runs for me.  at least at lxc-clone -o c1 -n c2.
[13:36] <hallyn> i cut-pasted your hookfile contents to /usr/share/lxc/hooks/cloud, and added lxc.hook.clone = /usr/share/lxc/hooks/cloud to c1's config
[13:37] <hallyn> now you're also wanting to run the hook at lxc-create.  that's a semantic stretch that i don't really like...
[13:37] <pimpf> thx lotia
[13:38] <hallyn> smoser: doh!  you have 'lxc.hook.mount' , not 'lxc.hook.clone'
[13:41] <rbasak> zul: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/08/google_backs_mariadb/ - how's the mysql alternatives blueprint going?
[13:42] <zul> rbasak:  waiting for debian
[13:42] <zul> SpamapS: ^^^
[13:42] <DenBeiren> Rapid2214: it's been a while since i last played with bonding,.. i remember that i didn't get it to work :-)
[13:42] <DenBeiren> i'd like the two nice to work together to double the throughput
[13:43] <hplc> isnt it carp thats supposed to handle nic fallback/failover?
[13:43] <rbasak> zul, SpamapS: do you think we'll have it done for Saucy? Assuming that Oracle don't address the pain points we summarised at the UDS, I don't want to see the door closed for switching to mariadb in main for T.
[13:44] <zul> rbasak:  totally
[13:45] <zul> rbasak:  im not sure done though since mysql mailing lists on debian are filled with spam
[14:00] <jamespage> zul, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/heat/redux/+merge/179197
[14:04] <Rapid2214> Quick question, if I have installed a package using dpkg -i package.deb, will aptitude upgrade it when it has an update? I am guessing so? (Needed to install some networking packages from virtual iLO floppy)
[14:04] <jamespage> zul, we probably want to push a snapshot asap-ish so we can drop quantumclient in full
[14:04] <jamespage> Rapid2214, yes
[14:05] <zul> jamespage:  reading
[14:06] <zul> jamespage:  +1 you have restored my faith in humanity and my sanity
[14:07] <Rapid2214> Thanks James
[14:17] <zul> jamespage:  if you want to upload a snapshot for heat that would be cool with me just make sure you do python setup.py sdist
[14:18] <jamespage> zul, yeah - just done one
[14:18] <jamespage> will upload shortly
[14:18] <zul> ok
[14:18] <zul> and then i can stop cursing
[14:20] <koolhead17> alex88, hola
[14:21] <alex88> koolhead17: oh hi man :)
[14:21] <alex88> wassup?
[14:21] <koolhead17> am gud you tell me?
[14:21] <alex88> yeah I'm fine man, tons of work due some near milestones :D
[14:21] <alex88> have to be fast  :D
[14:31] <jamespage> zul, uploaded
[14:31] <zul> jamespage:  cool dont forget about the CA
[14:31] <jamespage> zul, yeah - I'll let it pass the autopkgtests first tho!
[14:34] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[14:39] <smoser> hallyn, ok. so that was me being wrong there.
[14:39] <smoser> but it exposed and issue i think
[14:40] <smoser> the clone hook is specified in the config as /var/lib/lxc/precise-amd64-source/config
[14:40] <jamespage> zul, blimey - tests failed
[14:40]  * jamespage sighs
[14:40] <jamespage> zul, I'll limit the concurrency and try again
[14:40] <zul> jamespage:  im not really surprised
[14:40] <smoser> but when 'clone' happens, the replace of 'old-root' to 'new-root' has already occurred, so it says
[14:40] <smoser> sh: 1: /var/lib/lxc/ephem2/ubuntu-cloud-clone-hook: not found
[14:40] <jamespage> zul, I've seen similar issues with other projects
[14:40] <jamespage> high levels of concurrency seem to bork things up
[14:40] <zul> jamespage:  ah yes
[14:41] <zul> rbasak:  ping
[14:41] <smoser> hallyn, i think its reasonable for a hook to be in the directory for the container, and that seems impossible here.
[14:44] <derrik> whats the best linux administrator book?
[14:45] <hallyn> smoser: I put the hook in /var/lib/lxc/c1/ and called it from there, still works
[14:46] <hallyn> smoser: does /var/lib/lxc/ephem2/ubuntu-cloud-clone-hook in fact exist?
[15:00] <smoser> hallyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5962884/
[15:01] <hallyn> will look in a bit, lemme <scribble> finish this other thing
[15:11] <smoser> hallyn, other thing...
[15:11] <smoser> name=ephem1 section=lxc hooktype=clone rootfs_mount=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc rootfs_path=overlayfs:/var/lib/lxc/precise-amd64-source/rootfs:/var/lib/lxc/ephem1/delta0
[15:11] <smoser> those are the args i get passed to my clone hook
[15:11] <smoser> err... args and environment variables
[15:11] <smoser> i dont find 'rootfs_mount' or 'rootfs_path' terribly useful in that state.
[15:12] <smoser> i can surely fiture out how to parse 'overlafs:....:' (which actually breaks if there is a ':' anywhere in the persons path), but it seems silly for me to do that.
[15:15] <hallyn> smoser: oh, copying the hook is not done by default, you have to say '-H'.
[15:15] <hallyn> maybe that's silly
[15:15] <hallyn> but it doesn't try to guess based on pathanme what you wanted,
[15:15] <hallyn> (which would get very complicated and fragile),
[15:16] <hallyn> so if you're using /usr/share/lxc/hooks/cloud-clone, and you said lxc-cloen -H, then it would copy cloud-clone into your container dir
[15:16] <jamespage> zul, OK - heat passed the dep8 tests now
[15:16] <smoser> hallyn, i'm saying i can copy it.
[15:16] <smoser> but it should'nt lie to me and change it.
[15:16] <hallyn> ?
[15:17] <smoser> the config i said to clone said that the hook was '/var/lib/lxc/precise-amd64-source/ubuntu-cloud-clone-hook'
[15:17] <smoser> but lxc decided it should run a completely different program
[15:17] <smoser>  /var/lib/lxc/ephem1/ubuntu-cloud-clone-hook:
[15:17] <smoser> that seems arbitrary.
[15:17] <hallyn> i thought i just got rid of that yesterday actually
[15:18] <zul> jamespage:  just got the email
[15:18] <zul> jamespage:  \o/
[15:18]  * jamespage dances around a bit
[15:18] <smoser> hallyn, ok. so for rootfs_path=overlayfs:/var/lib/lxc/precise-amd64-source/rootfs:/var/lib/lxc/ephem1/delta0
[15:18] <smoser> could you give me something more useful as the 'LXC_ROOTFS_PATH'
[15:19] <smoser> and what is LXC_ROOTFS_MOUNT
[15:19] <hallyn> smoser: i do.  use rootfs-mount
[15:19] <smoser> no
[15:19] <hallyn> rootfs-mount is where the path gets mounted
[15:19] <smoser> that is less useful
[15:20] <smoser>  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc
[15:20] <hallyn> it's where you can update your rootfs
[15:20] <smoser> unlikely
[15:20] <hallyn> ?
[15:20] <hallyn> have the hook do an ls of that.  it certainly should be.
[15:21] <hallyn> gets mounted at lxccontainer.c:1813
[15:24] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/nova-tests-refresh/+merge/179215
[15:24] <smoser> hallyn,
[15:24] <smoser> ❭ sudo lxc-clone -B overlayfs -o precise-amd64-source -s -n ephem1
[15:24] <smoser> LXC_CONFIG_FILE='/var/lib/lxc/ephem1/config'
[15:24] <smoser> LXC_NAME='ephem1'
[15:24] <smoser> LXC_ROOTFS_MOUNT='/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc'
[15:24] <smoser> LXC_ROOTFS_PATH='overlayfs:/var/lib/lxc/precise-amd64-source/rootfs:/var/lib/lxc/ephem1/delta0'
[15:24] <smoser> LXC_SRC_NAME='precise-amd64-source'
[15:25] <smoser> you're telling me that /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc is my root directory ?
[15:25] <jamespage> zul, I'm going to have to backport python-boto as well to support heat in the CA
[15:25] <stgraber> hallyn: I fixed the lxc packaging branch (again) :)
[15:25] <hallyn> smoser: whiel you're running the clone hook, yes
[15:25] <hallyn> stgraber: ?
[15:25] <stgraber> hallyn: ubuntu:lxc was 6 uploads behind the archive
[15:25] <hallyn> how?  noone's been updating it by hand have they (we/me)?
[15:25] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[15:25] <zul> wasnt it already thre?
[15:26] <smoser> hallyn, ok.  you were right.
[15:26] <smoser> is that racy ? or am i in some alternative namespace
[15:27] <jamespage> zul: http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/ca/havana/
[15:27] <jamespage> zul, no - I was slightly surprised as well!
[15:28] <zul> jamespage:  +1
[15:29] <zul> jamespage:  we should be ok for autopkgtests for openstack now should we? no surprises right
[15:29] <hallyn> smoser: does that suffice then?
[15:29] <smoser> hallyn, it would seem to, but is that racy ?
[15:29] <hallyn> sounds like i'll need to update the lxc.conf manpage
[15:29] <hallyn> no
[15:29] <smoser> or am i in an alternative namespace
[15:29] <hallyn> yes
[15:29] <smoser> (and yes, those variable names are wierd too)
[15:29] <hallyn> yo'ure in a separate namespace so that the mount will get cleaned up
[15:30] <hallyn> i didn't come up with them :)
[15:30] <smoser> since 'rootfs_path' is not the "root filesystem path"
[15:30] <hallyn> it's the root filesystem src i suppose
[15:30] <hallyn> can be a directory, blockdev, or now more complicated blobs
[15:31] <hallyn> i'm not sure we can safely change that now without impacting existing users
[15:31] <hallyn> 'lxc.rootfs' has menat what it means since 2007 or so
[15:31] <smoser> i dont care. but at least you shooud update the man page to explain them better it hink
[15:31] <smoser> exmamples would help also
[15:31] <hallyn> agreed
[15:33] <jamespage> yolanda, not sure I understand your question re emails+MIR?
[15:34] <Daviey> jamespage: solved.. ~ubuntu-server needed to be added as a bug subscriber for a MIR package
[15:34] <jamespage> Daviey, ack
[15:35] <jamespage> does that mean squid3 is now unblocked?
[15:35] <Daviey> jamespage: almost..
[15:36] <hallyn> smoser: marked todo
[15:39] <stgraber> hallyn: sure enough, turning on the hardening flags makes LXC ftbfs :)
[15:39] <hallyn> shucks
[15:39] <stgraber> hallyn: warning: the use of `mktemp' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp' or `mkdtemp'
[15:40] <hallyn> stgraber: can you pb a list of all the warnings and i can address them this afternoon?
[15:41] <stgraber> hallyn: well, actually that one warning is a false positive as we use mktemp to get a random name and not to get filename we'd then open
[15:41] <stgraber> hallyn: so I need to figure out how to override this one :)
[15:43] <hallyn> excellent then i can whip up the unprivileged nic use for lxc program instead!
[15:43] <hallyn> though i really need to go through the coverity warnings at some point
[15:43] <hallyn> some of the new ones were valid
[15:44] <stgraber> hallyn: gah, there's apparently no way to override a linker warning? ...
[15:45] <hallyn> kees: ^ what burnt offerings to we throw the linker's way to appease it?
[15:46] <hallyn> iow we don't want mkstemp or mkdtemp bc we dont' want a file/dir created
[16:02] <stgraber> hallyn: I think I'll just cheat and copy the gettemp function from bionic and use that instead of mktemp ;)
[16:02] <hallyn> security misfire
[16:02] <stgraber> well, I'l also drop anything that deals with files in there as we clearly don't care about that
[16:27] <sarnold> stgraber: heh, thanks for silencing that mktemp warning, too. :)
[16:31] <stgraber> sarnold: well, it looks like it's causing a FTBFS so I don't really have a choice ;) though it actually seems odd for that warning to be the cause of the ftbfs.
[16:31] <stgraber> sarnold: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147098836/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.lxc_0.9.0-0ubuntu19~ppa1~saucy1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz thoughts?
[16:32] <jamespage> rbasak, did you notice that there is a mysql-5.5 update stuck in proposed?
[16:33] <sarnold> stgraber: ow! that seems needlessly draconian. :)
[16:34] <sarnold> stgraber: granted, this may be the one safe use of mktemp() left :) but .. ouch.
[16:37] <stgraber> so I'll take a look at this tomorrow (EOD here and got to leave), I think the right way to fix that is to create a mkifname function which essentially does the same as mktemp but for interface names, so takes a template, replaces X by a random char, then check that /sys/class/net/<name> doesn't exist
[16:37] <roaksoax> Daviey: if you have the chance, could you review 'dlm' from the new queue? It is an entirely new package that I need in the archive. Debian doesn't have it yet cause I need to forward the packaging
[16:37] <stgraber> it's going to be racy but there's no way around that and it's already going to be much better than our current mktemp (and won't trigger the warning)
[16:37] <roaksoax> and till it hits the debian archives can take foreever
[16:38] <sarnold> stgraber: have a good night :)
[16:45] <Daviey> roaksoax: not right now.. but tomorrow i can.
[16:45] <roaksoax> Daviey: works for me :). Thanks!
[16:52] <rbasak> jamespage: no
[16:52]  * rbasak looks
[16:53] <rbasak> jamespage: I'm not sure what's going on there. I can't find the Jenkins failure log.
[16:54] <jamespage> rbasak, I can even start mysql from proposed right now
[16:54] <rbasak> jamespage: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[16:54] <rbasak> jamespage: it says one Jenkins job failed and another is running
[16:59] <rbasak> jamespage: I'll look at it tomorrow if nobody else does by then.
[16:59] <jamespage> rbasak, thanks much appreicated
[17:26] <petey> would a 500 internal server error be from going through bandwidth?
[17:26] <sarnold> unlikely
[17:27] <patdk-wk> a 500 error is *very specific*
[17:27] <patdk-wk> no responce from cgi
[17:28] <petey> ah okay
[17:28] <petey> server overload?
[17:29] <petey> could it possibly be a server overload, not enough memory or CPU ?
[17:41] <SpinningWheels> i tried this rm -R folder[1-10] intending to delete folders folder1 ... folder 10, it says cannot remove folder[1-10]
[17:43] <sarnold> SpinningWheels: the shell won't turn [1-10] into 1, 2, 3, ...
[17:43] <hggdh> hum. bug 1160490 seems to be interesting
[17:43] <SpinningWheels> http://www.codecoffee.com/tipsforlinux/articles/26-1.html ?
[17:44] <sarnold> SpinningWheels: you could either run: for i in `seq 1 10` ; do rm -R folder${i} ; done   or you could run: rm -R folder10 folder[123456789]   -- at least I think that second one would work
[17:51] <qman__> you could also do rm -R folder[1-9] folder10
[17:52] <SpinningWheels> lol. my range isnt actually 1-10, that was for example. the for i in seq works fine :)
[17:52] <qman__> the point is, the regex you selected is a character match, not a counter
[17:52] <SpinningWheels> yeah i see what i did now.
[17:52] <qman__> so it only applies to one digit at a time
[18:22] <jefgy> my root device is /dev/md5.  it's defined in fstab as /dev/md5.  I'm receiving a warning when I run update-intiramfs "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical device of /dev/md5"  should I be referencing the uuid for md5 instead of the device itself? I.E.  $ blkid /dev/md5  /dev/md5: UUID="5d79c9fb-b720-4895-b48a-4404b1ec9358" TYPE="ext4"
[18:22] <smoser> hallyn,
[18:22] <smoser> https://github.com/smoser/lxc/tree/uc-clone-hook
[18:22] <smoser> tell me what you think of that.
[18:22] <smoser> i've not actually tested all the way though yet.
[18:47] <SpamapS> rbasak, zul: Don't wait for _ME_ to do anything for MariaDB. Join the debian packaging team and review the packages Otto K has already produced and help us get them uploaded.
[18:47] <SpamapS> rbasak, zul: I barely have time to upload security fixes.
[18:54] <qman__> jefgy, yes, you should use UUIDs for all drives in fstab, as the device names change depending on order of disk detection and other conditions in udev
[18:54] <qman__> you can't count on the device nodes being the same between boots
[19:11] <SpamapS> qman__: another option is filesystem labels
[19:11] <SpamapS> which gives you a way to move root filesystems without changing /etc/fstab
[19:49] <hallyn> smoser: sorry, looking
[19:54] <smoser> hallyn, great.
[19:54] <smoser> i will try to build a ubuntu package and instlal and see how it goes.
[20:08] <hallyn> smoser: you have 'return 1' from clone()...  that 1 doesn't actually do anything right?
[20:37] <LargePrime> hi all
[20:37] <LargePrime> I have an ssh user i want to give sudo to
[20:37] <LargePrime> what do i need to know
[20:55]  * hallyn going out for a walk, intend to be on a lot tonight - \o
[20:56] <LargePrime> see ya
[20:56] <LargePrime> o /
[21:01] <LargePrime> ok was using visudo and lost connection
[21:01] <LargePrime> now visudo is busy
[21:01] <LargePrime> how do i kill it
[21:04] <Rapid2214> killall <command>
[21:07] <LargePrime> so "killall visudo" ?
[21:08] <LargePrime> Rapid2214:  how do i know the process name
[21:09] <qman__> LargePrime, lsof | grep /etc/sudoers
[21:09] <qman__> unless it names it something else
[21:12] <qman__> that works but you can also kill the editor process
[21:13] <qman__> visudo copies /etc/sudoers to a sudoers.tmp file, and then opens that with editor (a symlink to your default editor)
[21:13] <qman__> once that editor process ends, it determines what to do
[21:13] <qman__> if you save and the file validates, it copies over sudoers
[21:13] <qman__> if not, it just deletes the tmp file
[21:16] <LargePrime> Thanks qman__  and Rapid2214
[21:16] <LargePrime> I am doing this
[21:16] <LargePrime> to enable sudo over ssh with keys
[21:16] <LargePrime> http://siliconexus.com/blog/2012/11/sudo-authentication-via-ssh-agent/
[21:17] <LargePrime> but it is not workig
[21:17] <LargePrime> thoughts?
[21:36] <qman__> seems a little too complicated, what's your use case?
[21:37] <qman__> for example, I use backuppc to back up my systems, and it needs an unprivileged user with sudo access over SSH to cooy all files, so I add a line to sudoers that allows it to use the one specific command it needs without a password
[21:43] <patdk-wk> god helps if someone gets qman's backuppc user account :)
[21:43] <patdk-wk> in my case, I do the oppisite
[21:43] <patdk-wk> user logs and sudo both require 2factor
[21:44] <patdk-wk> publickey is ok to login, but not for sudo
[21:45] <qman__> that's true, but that's why it has no password and a key
[21:46] <qman__> I trust that key to be pretty strong and well guarded
[21:48] <patdk-wk> I don't
[21:48] <patdk-wk> I trust it is as well guarded as their password
[21:48] <patdk-wk> not at all
[21:50] <sarnold> a backup key is different than a human-controlled key
[21:51] <sarnold> how does your bacula connect to other hosts? :)
[21:52] <patdk-wk> sarnold, depends on how well the server that has the backup key is controlled
[21:52] <patdk-wk> open access to the internet? or via proxy
[21:53] <patdk-wk> just have habbits, and those habbits go as wide as possible, with rare exceptions
[22:01] <blkperl> where can I find ubuntu cloud images in QCOW2 format>
[22:02] <sarnold> blkperl: qemu-img convert  may be able to help you
[22:02] <blkperl> the ubunto cloud image website is really good at redirecting to itself :S
[22:03] <LargePrime> qman__: I just need to give a ssh user sudo
[22:03] <LargePrime> And i have passwords disabled
[22:03] <LargePrime> and I am a total noob
[22:03] <LargePrime> Do i just need to give him the sudo password
[22:04] <LargePrime> or can i have him auth vs his key
[22:04] <LargePrime> or perhaps i should ask, WTF should i be doing?
[22:04] <sarnold> hehe :)
[22:05] <sarnold> LargePrime: sudo normally uses their user password, from /etc/shadow. you can configure sshd to require publickey for login and not allow passwords (no point to the brute-force ssh login attempts..)
[22:05] <sarnold> LargePrime: but the user can still have a password that is used for sudo
[22:05] <LargePrime> that is what i have.  no pass auth
[22:05] <LargePrime> and how do i set that password for sudo
[22:06] <blkperl> by giving the user a password
[22:06] <blkperl> as long as password auth is disabled they won't be able to use to login
[22:06] <LargePrime> ok then
[22:06] <sarnold> if the user does not yet has a password, "sudo passwd <username>"
[22:06] <LargePrime> but CAN i configure it to use a key
[22:07] <LargePrime> and would that be a seperate key
[22:09] <sarnold> LargePrime: hrm. I don't see any packages matching my keyword guesses for that, not quite like the webpage you found..
[22:14] <LargePrime> ok so that worked
[22:16] <LargePrime> thanks sarnold
[22:17] <sarnold> LargePrime: cool :)
[22:18] <LargePrime> dont have key auth
[22:18] <LargePrime> but i can go forward
[22:18] <LargePrime> I want you all to kow that I really appreciate your vollenterring
[22:19] <LargePrime> and that you don't make fun of my spelling
[22:20] <sarnold> LargePrime :D woot
[22:29] <qman__> patdk-wk, it's my key, stored on my server, no one else has access to it
[22:29] <qman__> except maybe NSA spooks, but you know
[22:30] <freze> where do you all store your sites? /usr/share/nginx/site.com is that a good folder with rwxr-xr-x (751) permissions?
[22:30] <qman__> point being, if they can manage to steal that key, they can manage to get in anyway
[22:30] <qman__> I trust it to be strong enough that brute force is not feasible
[22:31] <sarnold> freze: (a) use whatever works for you (b) i'd put them in /var/www/ or /srv/www ... I like /usr to be completely controlled by the distribution
[22:32] <sarnold> freze: granted, /usr/local/ isn't under control of the distribution, but those are pretty rare for me anyway
[22:32] <qman__> agree, I don't touch anything in /usr except /usr/local
[22:32] <qman__> for servers with sites that are all managed by me, I put them in /var/www/sitename
[22:33] <qman__> for servers with user-managed sites, I usually have a homedir based setup
[22:33] <freze> qman_ every user gets a directory in /home/ for sites ?
[22:34] <qman__> they can, depends on how you set it up
[22:35] <freze> Got it. What do you mean by /usr is completely controlled by the distribution?
[22:35] <qman__> if you start changing files around in /usr, you might get your changes overwritten by software packages / updates
[22:35] <freze> ahh
[22:35] <qman__> because the package manager assumes that (most) everything in there is part of a package
[22:36] <qman__> with the notable exception of /usr/local which is generally left for you to mess with (but not always, some packages still do stuff there)
[22:52] <zerick>  Is it possible to resize, create partitions on hot ?
[22:53] <sarnold> zerick: investigate lvm, it may do what you want
[22:55] <failmaster> zerick, define "on hot"
[22:57] <zerick> failmaster, alive maybe ?
[22:58] <failmaster> zerick, they become alive technically after they were recognized by bios
[23:04] <freze> is 25MB memory for aplain system sound about right?
[23:04] <zerick> failmaster, well, I was refering doing it while the system is UP
[23:04] <zerick> not using a live-cd
[23:05] <sarnold> freze: 25M feels awfully tiny. why so small?
[23:05] <failmaster> zerick, btrfs is a nice suggestion for that case, but i'm not familiar with it mostly because i prefer the very stable things in general terms, like ext
[23:06] <failmaster> broken fs is a bigger problem rather than unstable software from my subjective point of view
[23:06] <freze> sarnold: I have nothing but the default installation running
[23:06] <zerick> failmaster, isn't Ubuntu porting that on a future as the main fs ?
[23:07] <failmaster> zerick, sometimes it is a good idea to "draw the whole picture" for community, maybe there are another ways to achieve the end goals, who knows
[23:09] <failmaster> zerick, maybe, but again, i personally don't trust that much to such statements "it was ported as main == it's stable enough for sure"
[23:09] <failmaster> that's just me anyways
[23:10] <zerick> failmaster, well, I heard that a long time before, that Ubuntu, well, Canonical, was investing on it
[23:10] <qman__> zerick, it's possible depending on the filesystem
[23:10] <qman__> with ext[234] you can expand but not shrink while mounted
[23:16] <failmaster> zerick, they also were investing in unity and all that stuff i consider totally pointless, but again, it's just me =)
[23:23] <freze> does this make sense: * 10800 IN CNAME @    I want all the subdomains to point to my a record
[23:23] <freze> @ 10800 IN A <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:23] <freze> example
[23:25] <Patrickdk> freze, sure, but that won't do that
[23:28] <freze> Patrickdk: the CNAME wont work? I'm following and that's how they have it setup which confused me, because I didn't think you could have at @ symbol for the address in * 10800 IN CNAME @
[23:28] <Patrickdk> oh, no, the cname will *work*
[23:28] <Patrickdk> but it will have other side effects
[23:29] <freze> Will it point all subdomains to the domain, which will then route to the IP specified in the A record
[23:30] <Patrickdk> depends on the dns server
[23:30] <Patrickdk> a cname redirects ALL lookups, not just A
[23:30] <Patrickdk> so it will also redirect NS, MX, ....
[23:31] <qman__> wildcard DNS causes a lot of issues in general, and I recommend against it
[23:31] <qman__> makes troubleshooting in particular rather difficult
[23:35] <freze> I just want all subdomains to point to my domain. Is the better way to do it this:  * 10800 IN CNAME mydomain.com
[23:35] <freze> would that prevent NS,MX redirection..
[23:36] <qman__> no
[23:37] <arooni-mobile__> how can i upgrade my ubuntu 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS?
[23:37] <qman__> NS and MX records are defined in the SOA nameserver
[23:37] <qman__> the only way to redirect or change them is to intercept DNS and specify changes, which you as the site owner have no control over regardless
[23:38] <qman__> arooni-mobile__, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:39] <qman__> the latter does the actual release upgrade, but you should update your 10.04 first
[23:42] <qman__> freze, a better question is, why do you want to do this? I can't think of any task or situation where wildcard DNS is a good idea
[23:45] <arooni-mobile__> how long does that take
[23:45] <arooni-mobile__> i'm having trouble with DNS resolution.  theres nothing in /etc/resolv.conf
[23:45] <arooni-mobile__> i tried adding to /etc/network/interfaces '    dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>'  ... but i'm getting no name resolution
[23:45] <freze> qman__ I guess that is a good point. Since the main website is: example.com I thought it would be good for users who type www.example.com or by accident wwww.example.com to be redirected to example.com
[23:46] <sarnold> arooni-mobile__: that'll only change /etc/resolv.conf when interfaces come up or down. change /etc/resolv.conf directly ..
[23:46] <qman__> freze, in my opinion it would be better to simply create a www cname, and set up your web server to redirect to the main site
[23:46] <sarnold> freze: URL rewriting or redirects would be far better..
[23:47] <freze> how about a permanent redirect fro www -> example.com
[23:47] <freze> from www.example.com
[23:47] <arooni-mobile__> sarnold, but on a restart or something wont that go away?
[23:47] <sarnold> arooni-mobile__: sure, but you can fight that later :)
[23:48] <arooni-mobile__> sarnold, ok i got it working now by editing resolv.conf;  should my addition to /network/interfaces work on restart?
[23:48] <sarnold> freze: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_301
[23:49] <sarnold> arooni-mobile__: probably, yes
[23:50] <freze> sarnold: yeah that looks like the best option instead of having the webserver handle the redirection. I'll do it from the dns page


[01:21] <Crell> Hi folks. I've been having an issue with my 21.04 install for a while. When I start up, the audio just... sometimes doesn't boot. It seems mostly random. Right now, after 2 consecutive reboots I get *nothing* for audio output options, despite having 3 audio output devices connected, at least.  Any idea what the issue is, or how to find it?
[01:21] <Crell> Sometimes it's fine, other times it's just... missing stuff.
[01:21] <Crell> (This is a particular problem as I'm supposed to give a remote presentation tomorrow. :-)  )
[01:22] <Crell> Sometimes unplugging the laptop from its docking station and reconnecting it fixes things, other times not.
[01:23] <Crell> ... And apparently this is one of the good times.  Still how do I figure out what's going on and stop it?
 You may want to try uninstalling pipewire especially if using any BT device.
 However, I do not know how to re-install/configure pipewire so be warned, you will have to "google" to re-install it.  (Kubuntu runs fine without pipewire. I removed pipewire due to inconsistent BT behavior with a Plantronics headset)
[01:52] <ti-tonton> ^^
[01:57] <ti-tonton> ....
 I installed kde desktop environment with ubuntu(gbome). Is it safe to remove gnome completely?
[04:51] <guiverc> @DORanjiida, I believe yes, but I would still read the packages to be removed before it was executed (results may vary on your unstated release; at worst though I'd expect issues would be fixed by a `apt install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop`) but note this is opinion as I've done it, but likely on a different release (and packages are release specific)
 I can't install gnome desktop environment from kde
 Saying not found
 Or
 Aborted
 I can't remove gnome desktop environment from kde
 Saying not found
 Or
 Aborted
 How can i remove all files related to gnome desktop environment.
 Hello, I need help with Jabber and Pidgin - it worked flawlessly on Kubuntu until I installed the otr plugin in the terminal, then I uninstalled pidgin in Discover and reinstalled it with sudo and the otr plugin was already on it. then I tested it on kali and installed pidgin with sudo and then otr and everything went perfectly. only with kubuntu does it tell me that it cannot be connected to the server. So the server is up. And on google I h
[07:41] <alkisg> michael, use shorter sentences as not all content reaches irc and matrix
[07:42] <alkisg> Does the problem happen in another user? If not, then it's a user issue (under /home/username). If yes, it's a system issue.
 Hello. Decided to test kubuntu in virtual box. Here inhabit the accompanying this distribution?
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[16:51] <jabberwock> Hello. I am hoping to find a way to map META+Down Arrow to bring all instances of the active window into view.
[16:52] <jabberwock> Like hovering over the icon in the kde/plasma taskbar, but bigger. Like macos really
[17:07] <user|28> How to create a bootable UEFI flash drive?
[17:18] <oerheks> all kubuntu iso are UEFI compatible, just follow the usb guide
[17:19] <oerheks> !usb
[17:19] <oerheks> and the uefi guide
[17:19] <oerheks> !uefi
[19:02] <mindentropy> Hi. When I try to run Muon I get "Failed conversation with su". How should I fix this? I am running Ubuntu 21.04 with Kubuntu packages.
[19:05] <mindentropy> Hi. When I run Muon package manager I get "Conversation with Su failed" when I go into "Configure software packages". How do I fix this? I am running Ubuntu 21.04 with Kubuntu installed.
[19:06] <BluesKaj> mindentropy, how did you install muon ?
[19:07] <mindentropy> I installed via Kubuntu and kde packages.
[19:07] <mindentropy> kubuntu-desktop and kde-all I think.
[19:07] <BluesKaj> with apt or discover, or?
[19:07] <mindentropy> apt.
[19:08] <BluesKaj> not apt-get I hope, that can lead to problems nowadays
[19:10] <mindentropy> No. Just apt.
[19:10] <BluesKaj> did you try reinstalling muon?
[19:11] <mindentropy> No. I thought I have to setup some kdesurc in .config but that didn't work.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> sudo apt install --reinstall muon
[19:15] <BluesKaj> it's a gui package manager
[19:16] <mindentropy> BluesKaj: I removed the muon package with --purge and installed and it has the same problem.
[19:17] <user|72> how do we enter the last character in this command: apt-get install lamp-server^
[19:17] <user|72> thank you very much.
[19:26] <valorie> muon is old tech - Discover is much better
[19:26] <valorie> muon was "it* at one time, but that time was quite awhile ago
[19:27] <mindentropy> valorie: I want to remove automatic updates completely from kde. I will update it by myself.
[19:27] <mindentropy> valorie: I am looking at some option somewhere to disable this.
[19:27] <valorie> in system settings, I would assume
[19:28] <valorie> I use alt+space `updates` and pick the right one from krunner
[19:28] <mindentropy> I have kept update software to manual but it still checks if there are any updates.
[19:29] <valorie> of course
[19:29] <valorie> security updates will always be flagged for you
[19:29] <valorie> but you do them in your own time
[19:30] <mindentropy> I don't want it check for updates. I will be doing it manually.
[19:30] <mindentropy> Should I remove discover?
[19:31] <valorie> I have no clue of the ramifications of that, mindentropy
[19:32] <mindentropy> valorie: Ok.  Something to be done with packagekit?
[19:33] <valorie> I sometimes use packagekit too, just as a check....
[19:33] <valorie> but again, no clue what would happen if that was removed
[19:34] <valorie> you get Kubuntu free, and if you break it you have a free broken system!
[19:34] <mindentropy> How is it scheduled to run? In cron or somewhere else?
[19:35] <valorie> you can check cron and see.....
[19:36] <mindentropy> valorie: Not there in it. :-(
[19:39] <valorie> I'm failing to understand why an indicator -- very subtle - is a *bother*
[19:39] <valorie> it's just information
[19:39] <valorie> I don't do auto-updates
[19:40] <valorie> sometimes I choose to do them in discover
[19:40] <valorie> sometimes with apt
[19:40] <valorie> sometimes with pk
[19:40] <valorie> just to test how things are doing
[19:40] <valorie> but always when I have time, at the time of my own chooseing
[19:40] <valorie> choosing
[19:46] <mindentropy> valorie: I don't want it to check updates and waste my cpu cycles. I will be doing it by myself.
[19:46] <mindentropy> During some downtime.
[19:48] <mindentropy> I think I can disable packagekit systemd service
[20:37] <Guest3859> hello. I am trying to install a lamp server on my kubuntu. What is the easiest way to do this for a newbie? Thanks
[20:44] <RobertM34> hello. I am trying to install a lamp server on my kubuntu. What is the easiest way to do this for a newbie? Thanks
 download .run file of xampp from its website and install it (re @IrcsomeBot: <RobertM34> hello. I am trying to install a lamp server on my kubuntu. What is the easiest way to do this for a newbie? Thanks)
[20:47] <RobertM34> ok i will try. thank you
[20:47] <donofrio> RobertM34, lamps server ubuntu
[20:48] <donofrio> https://lmgtfy.app/?q=lamp+server+ubuntu+20.04
[20:48] <abkader> j
[20:49] <donofrio> RobertM34, try this https://upcloud.com/community/tutorials/installing-lamp-stack-ubuntu/
[20:51] <donofrio> RobertM34, nevermind that this seems better uses tasksel - https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/lamp-applications
[20:53] <RobertM34> ok because i want to use mysql and not mariadb
[20:54] <donofrio> yep
[21:07] <RobertM34> i installed mysql, apache2 and php but my *.php files show the source code in my browser. do you know how i fix this?
[21:07] <RobertM34> *.html files work perfectly
[21:09] <donofrio> your missing mimetype or something like that
[21:22] <RobertM34> i am not sure what that is. will look it up. thanks
[22:44] <donofrio> RobertM34, glad to hear it worked for you.