[12:39] <aquarius> Not sure if this is the right place, and you possibly already know, but https://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/606 pops up an error about the SSL certificate having expired on 06/01/06.
[12:43] <mdke> aquarius: the website uses http:// I think
[12:44] <aquarius> mdke: I followed the "Release Notes" link from http://www.ubuntu.com/download.
[12:45] <mdke> aquarius: I think that is an erroneous link.
[12:45] <Burgundavia> aquarius: I will fix it
[12:45] <aquarius> It also pops up another two errors; one because the CA isn't recognised for the certificate, and one because the certificate has the wrong name ("Canonical Ltd" rather than "www.ubuntu.com").
[12:45] <mdke> Burgundavia: aww
[12:46] <Burgundavia> aquarius: fixed, should replicate to the server in about 10m inutes
[12:46] <aquarius> cool. The latter two errors have been around for a while on https URLs at ubuntu.com, but I figured someone already knew about it.
[12:46] <alchemist> fark. any of the ndiswrapper maintainers online?
[12:46] <aquarius> Burgundavia: cool; I just thought it needed mentioning because /download is pretty high visibility.
[12:46] <Burgundavia> alchemist: what is your issues
[12:46] <Burgundavia> aquarius: thanks for pointed it out
[12:47] <alchemist> Burgundavia: I'm hacking at the wpa-supplicant/networkmanager issue
[12:47] <Burgundavia> aquarius: you can pm me (this nick or burgwork) if you seen any other issues
[12:47] <alchemist> Burgundavia: I think one fo the issues is the 1.8 build of ndiswrapper
[12:47] <aquarius> Burgundavia: will do; I didn't realise you were maintainer
[12:47] <mdke> aquarius: you can also file bugs on the website in launchpad, in case you can't find Burgundavia
[12:47] <Burgundavia> aquarius: I can do minor edits
[12:47] <alchemist> Burgundavia: so I'm hoping to find someone who could compile 1.10 for me on dapper so I cna try that
[12:47] <aquarius> mdke: I was going to do that if no-one here could help :)
[12:48] <mdke> aquarius: good plan
[12:48] <alchemist> if that works, then I can start looking at backport fixes
[12:48] <crimsun_> alchemist: ndiswrapper is in our kernel. Do you need a straight import, or ...?
[12:49] <alchemist> crimsun_: 1.8 is in the kernel. I need to test 1.10 - there are some fixed pertaining to wpa-supplicant
[12:49] <alchemist> so prolly a straight import
[12:49] <alchemist> s/fixed/fixes
[12:50] <crimsun_> alchemist: do you have a dapper pbuilder? If not, I'll walk you through getting 1.17-1 in #trilug.
[12:50] <alchemist> crimsun_: no pbuilder. a chroot anda xen session
[12:50] <alchemist> crimsun_: we can hop to #trilug
[12:50] <crimsun_> right.
[01:22] <gentoo_helper> Sorry to bother you all, but I have an issue that I think might actually be a bug. I would like to verify this with you guys before I file. It is a problem concerning Xorg and my S3 Inc ProSavage graphics chip.
[01:23] <Burgundavia> gentoo_helper: what is the issue?
[01:23] <gentoo_helper> Burgundavia, Basically after an unspecified amount of time...
[01:23] <gentoo_helper> Burgundavia, My screen locks up and I am unable to recover without a hard reboot.
[01:24] <gentoo_helper> Burgundavia, The thing is, this issuse appears to be related to apt-get
[01:24] <Burgundavia> gentoo_helper: that sounds more like a hardware issue to me. Have you tested with memtest86?
[01:25] <gentoo_helper> Burgundavia, It is reproducible on my system: if you open an exterm and start apt-get (such as apt-get install ethereal) and then attempt to open any program that requires you to clock on a button (for instance open xchat and clock "connect") the machine will either lock up completely, or in rare instaces, do a soft reboot
[01:25] <Burgundavia> gentoo_helper: lets move to #ubuntu-bugs
[01:25] <gentoo_helper> Burgundavia, I have not tested with memtest86, but I can tell you that I do not have this issue in Windows. I assume that if it were a hardware issue I would have something similar happening there.
[01:26] <gentoo_helper> Burgundavia, Ok.
[01:36] <Burgundavia> mako: I am now permanently scarred by that picture :)
[01:37] <mako> what can i say.. i'm sick
[01:37] <mako> oh, you mean the second one :)
[01:37] <Burgundavia> mako: yes the 2nd one. Get better soon
[01:38] <mako> i'm not really sick :)
[01:38] <mako> at least not physiologically ill
[01:38] <Burgundavia> only in your head?
[01:39] <Burgundavia> that is also quite a startling colour of blue in your eyes
[01:39] <ajmitch> heh
[01:39] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: how goes SoC?
[01:40] <ajmitch> it goes well enough
[01:51] <mako> Burgundavia: my eyes are very blue :)
[02:01] <flyman_ubuntu> hola
[02:02] <flyman_ubuntu> quick question ...yes/no...works/does not work
[02:03] <flyman_ubuntu> ...i was getting an xorg.log error that /usr/lib/xserver/securitypolicy  could not be found.  has anyone here created the folder 'xserver' in /usr/lib/and placeed the file "/usr/share/doc/examples/SecurityPolicy" in the new folder?  it uses XC-QUERY-SECURITY-1 which is greek to me...
[02:16] <flyman_ubuntu> quick question ...yes/no works/does not work
[05:57] <Vaske_Car> How to check folder size from command line?
[05:57] <_ion> See topic. (du(1))
[06:08] <dieman> mako: your new record cover is awesome.
[06:34] <mako> dieman: heh, glad you like it
[06:45] <dieman> mako: you going to be in france too?
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> Wh..
[07:01] <bluefoxicy> I just tried to apt-get build-dep gnupg and it told me no I have to be more specific
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> Evidently I have 50 MTAs to pick from, now do I want to install postfix or exim... wait, hold on
[07:02] <bluefoxicy> why the heck do I need a mail server to compile gnupg?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> jdub: you seen this http://computerdropoff.org/
[08:01] <jdub> cool
[08:03] <Burgundavia> going to be in New Orleans at the end of the month, should be interesting
[08:05] <fabbione> PANTS OFF
[08:08] <jsgotangco> well interestingly, some of north america's electronic junk also end up here sometimes sold in 2nd hand shops along with japanese and korean television sets
[08:10] <Burgundavia> s/north america/united states
[08:10] <Burgundavia> Canadian stuff almost never finds it away overseas
[08:11] <Burgundavia> too bad we are 1/10 the pop...
[08:12] <jsgotangco> that's how i got some cheap sun terminals
[08:12] <Burgundavia> cool
[08:13] <Burgundavia> I got a promising lead on some space, so it looks like my recycling project might become more than just a backburnered project
[11:25] <mdke> hunger: you can change it!
[11:42] <sivang> hunger: right, by uploading stuff yourself and joining the MOTUs ;-)
[11:53] <hunger> mdke: Only in theory:-)
[11:53] <hunger> mdke: With the little time I have I can not change anything significantly.
[11:56] <giftnudel> hunger: you can always break stuff, nobody will notice the difference
[11:57] <sivang> hehe, depends where :p
[11:57] <msikma> Ohh, pastebin is down.
[11:57] <mdke> hunger: well, that's the same reason that you're not seeing any downloading during the weekend. No point finding it depressing
[11:58] <mdke> uploading*
[12:22] <hunger> giftnudel: Yeah, breaking stuff is easy:-) I do that a lot on my system.
[02:24] <\sh> hmmm...is gcc4.1 not in essentials for egdy? ;)
[02:27] <\sh> Kamion: could it be that you forgot the changes in debootstrap for edgy, but you mentioned it in the changelog?
[02:31] <infinity> \sh: Could it be that deboostrap for edgy hasn't built yet?
[02:31] <infinity> \sh: And neither has gcc-defaults (where the "gcc" metapackage comes from).
[02:31] <infinity> \sh: Patience.
[02:33] <\sh> infinity: oh yes, ubuntu3 and I have ubuntu2 .. need new glasses...sorry
[02:33] <\sh> Kamion: my blindness :( forget about what I said
[05:21] <\sh> any fridge admins online? ;)
[05:40] <shaya> are there any instructions anywhere for redoing the dapper live cd?
[05:45] <phanatic> shaya: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomization/Dapper
[05:45] <jdub> jpatrick: ping
[05:46] <\sh> jdub: if you are not too busy, would you add my blog back to p.u.c.?
[05:46] <jdub> uh, ok
[05:47] <jpatrick> jdub: yes?
[05:47] <jdub> \sh: #[http://linux.blogweb.de/feeds/index.rss2]
[05:47] <jdub> ?
[05:47] <\sh> jdub: http://linux.blogweb.de/feeds/index.rss2 yes
[05:47] <\sh> jdub: thx :=
[05:47] <jdub> jpatrick: the description on the package you just uploaded is *awesome*
[05:48] <_ion> URL?
[05:48] <_ion> *wanna see*
[05:48] <jpatrick> I didn't touch it
[05:48] <jpatrick> jdub: debian maintainer's choice: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/kxdocker
[05:49] <\sh> jdub: forget about kxdocker, most likley it will break with gcc-4.1 ;)
[05:49] <jdub> jpatrick: i know - that makes you double the culprit ;)
[05:49] <jpatrick> jdub: and upstreams
[05:50] <jdub> well, that's just sad
[05:50] <jdub> but still funny :)
[05:50] <jpatrick> I'll say it again: "not my fault"
[05:50] <jdub> you let it through (and brought this humour to my attention)! ;)
[05:50] <\sh> jpatrick: now you see the liability of a package maintainer, or uploader ;)
[05:51] <\sh> jpatrick: but it's just kxdocker
[05:51] <jdub> and the exposure of the -changes lists... brown paper bags are always amusing
[05:51] <\sh> jpatrick: but if it's "break my ipod, dude"...I'll tell you, you will get be blamed and bashed ;)
[05:53] <jdub> there are some really amusing descriptions around
[05:53] <\sh> jpatrick: but if you are drunk during the last 2 days of release time, it's fun .. try me :)
[05:53] <jdub> i like all the packages that claim they are "powerful"
[05:53] <jpatrick> \sh: Nop, can't drink
[05:54] <jdub> or "featureful"
[05:54] <\sh> jpatrick: right, you shouldn't :)
[05:54] <jdub> $ apt-cache search powerful | wc -l
[05:54] <jdub> 502
[05:54] <jdub> RAW POWER.
[05:54] <\sh> JDUB FOR PRESIDENT !
[05:55] <jpatrick> 506 here
[05:55] <jdub> ysm - A powerful ICQ console client
[05:56] <\sh> ugh
[06:17] <mako> dieman: yes, i'm going to be in france
[06:17] <dieman> mako: rock
[06:17] <dieman> mako: see you then
[06:18] <mako> absolutely, i'm looking forward to ti
[06:18] <dieman> i'll be there a day early in the morning
[06:18] <dieman> may run out to sightsee a little
[06:18] <\sh> hmm...I can't attend UDS Paris and now mako is just coming to europe..what a pity
[06:18] <dieman> depends on how much i sleep on the plane
[06:18] <mako> i can't remember my schedule
[06:19] <mako> but i am still trying to go to brazil from paris for the creative commons conf right after
[06:19] <mako> but it looks like i might not get the visa in time
[06:19] <mako> which means i'll probably hang around for 5 days or so afterwards
[06:19] <mako> probably not in paris.. but i'm not sure where
[06:19] <mako> i'd like to go to germany but with the world cup i think that might be both crazy and expensive
[06:20] <\sh> mako: go to karlsruhe, I have a sleeping place for you..for cheap
[06:20] <mako> \sh: i'll let you know :)
[06:21] <\sh> mako: a hotel room with a bed, for 40 euros..which is cheap nowadays :)
[06:21] <\sh> mako: and a clean shower :)
[06:21] <\sh> mako: and congratulations to your marriage :)
[06:22] <mako> thanks! on all counts
[06:24] <\sh> mako: really, to you and mika all my love
[06:25] <sivang> anybody knows what differnet in a dapper chroot? I'm following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot ,
[06:25] <sivang> everything went fine during the bootstraping process
[06:26] <sivang> but I can't install any other packages after chrooting into the chroot
[06:26] <sivang> I get E: Package gnupg has no installation candidate
[06:26] <sivang> for evry package I try to install
[06:26] <\sh> sivang: just normal?
[06:27] <sivang> \sh: yes, I haven't done anyhting wierd other then ln -s /home/sivan/chroot /var/chroot so I could use my home for storage
[06:28] <sivang> when I try and udate, I get:
[06:28] <sivang> Err http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release
[06:28] <sivang> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper Release
[06:28] <sivang> Ign http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security Release
[06:28] <\sh> sivang: you can just use /home/sivang/chroot just adjust the paths in the howto..after that, gnupg is still complaining :)
[06:28] <sivang> Ign http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates Release
[06:28] <sivang> \sh: I did this before, the symlink doesn't make any differnce
[06:29] <sivang> \sh: gpg complains, but when I try to install it form the net it says "no installation candidiate"
[06:31] <\sh> sivang: shermann@amd64-home:~/pbuilder/etc/dapper$ less apt.conf.d/allow-unauthenticated
[06:32] <sivang> hmm, is "not existant" a good answer? :)
[06:33] <sivang> I don't have this file at all
[06:33] <\sh> sivang: strange
[06:34] <sivang> root@swirl:/# apt-get update --allow-unauthenticated
[06:34] <sivang> still gives error in apt-get update
[06:34] <sivang> *odd*
[06:38] <\sh> sivang: but is it installing the package?
[06:38] <sivang> \sh: no, dammit, I think I accidently wiped out the binary source line :-/
[06:41] <sivang> yep
[06:41] <sivang> DOh, that was it.
[06:41] <sivang> \sh: thanks :)
[06:43] <\sh> sivang: no ways..come on. this must be an action fixable bug;)
[06:43] <\sh> with some action ahead of us ;)
[06:59] <sivang> \sh: heh
[07:00] <\sh> sivang: no laugh ;)
[07:57] <kagou> hi
[08:07] <jdub> Keybuk: thanks for the kickseed fix
[08:09] <HiddenWolf> edgy is open?
[08:11] <sladen> HiddenWolf: esr kills a kitten everytime that somebody asks that
[08:12] <HiddenWolf> sladen: I'll take a kitten from you, thanks. :)
[08:31] <Keybuk> jdub: ah, it was you who found it?
[08:31] <jdub> Keybuk: yeah; did Kamion's fix not fully fix it?
[08:32] <Keybuk> there was another instance of the same bug a few lines above
[08:32] <jdub> i promised to be his kickstart bitch after i found that
[08:32] <Keybuk> he found it on Friday, and text me this morning asking me to fix it
[09:09] <zyga> hello
[09:10] <Amaranth> hey
[09:14] <zyga> I'll see sabdfl tomorrow :)
[09:15] <Keybuk> oh aye?
[09:17] <phanatic> zyga: he's going to .pl right?
[09:18] <Seveas> yeah
[09:19] <bluefoxicy> ugh
[09:19] <Seveas> HAHAHA
[09:19] <bluefoxicy> screw this.  *steals the xvid no-exec-stack patch and textrel fix from Gentoo*
[09:19] <Seveas> highvoltage, pyland
[09:20] <bluefoxicy> does anyone know who upstream xvid is so I can try to get libxvidcore4 patched upstream?
[09:25] <zyga> phanatic: yes!
[09:25] <zyga> :)
[09:25] <zyga> I hope to get a signed disk tomorrow :)
[09:40] <bluefoxicy> Patches submitted upstream.  I think.
[09:48] <desrt> BenC; ping
[09:51] <bluefoxicy> holy crap, gcj7 is STILL building
[09:57] <highvoltage> for how long?
[09:58] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: it is?
[09:59] <Keybuk> showing up as built to me
[09:59] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  no, I mean I'm building it over here to try and track why it has a +X stack
[09:59] <bluefoxicy> and correct it
[09:59] <Keybuk> Date built:  	2006-06-11 15:04:03 BST
[09:59] <Keybuk> Build duration: 	2 hours 20 minutes
[09:59] <Keybuk> ahh
[09:59] <bluefoxicy> oshit 2 hours?!
[09:59] <Keybuk> that's on our buildd
[10:00] <Keybuk> always wondered, how does all this stack protection stuff play with gdb?
[10:00] <bluefoxicy> Xvid I referenced the gentoo patches and also threw them at upstream, qthreads... well, time to hit gentoo cvs huh.
[10:00] <bluefoxicy> GDB doesn't care
[10:01] <Keybuk> doesn't it affect gdb's ability to make the process execute arbitrary code?
[10:01] <bluefoxicy> no
[10:01] <Keybuk> how comes?  that just sticks stuff on the stack, iirc
[10:01] <bluefoxicy> gdb uses ptrace() IIRC, so it attaches to a running process-- or, loads a process stopped and executes it
[10:01] <bluefoxicy> hmm
[10:02] <bluefoxicy> sticks stuff on the stack?  How does it know what parts of the stack aren't in use
[10:02] <Keybuk> right, but while under gdb you can run functions and change data
[10:02] <Keybuk> it's one of gdb's more useful abilities
[10:02] <Keybuk> "see what would happen if I run the function with different arguments, ah *that's* better"
[10:02] <bluefoxicy> like write code, compile, and inject; or "call this function"
[10:02] <Keybuk> both
[10:02] <bluefoxicy> if you're just calling different code with different arguments there's no problem
[10:03] <bluefoxicy> injecting new code sounds tricky.
[10:03] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% echo "main() { }" > test.c
[10:03] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% gcc -g test.c
[10:03] <bluefoxicy> sounds like elfsh too
[10:03] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% gdb a.out
[10:04] <Keybuk> (gdb) break main
[10:04] <Keybuk> Breakpoint 1 at 0x8048360: file test.c, line 1.
[10:04] <Keybuk> (gdb) run
[10:04] <Keybuk> Starting program: /home/scott/a.out
[10:04] <Keybuk> Breakpoint 1, main () at test.c:1
[10:04] <Keybuk> 1       main() { }
[10:04] <Keybuk> (gdb) p printf ("hello world\n")
[10:04] <Keybuk> hello world
[10:04] <Keybuk> $1 = 12
[10:04] <Keybuk> etc.
[10:04] <bluefoxicy> I don't think that injects code
[10:04] <Keybuk> has to, otherwise how else does is call the function? :p
[10:04] <bluefoxicy> printf is a built-in gdb function that formats the given text
[10:04] <Keybuk> no, that's "p printf"
[10:05] <bluefoxicy> well, calling printf is easy enough.
[10:05] <Keybuk> syndicate scott% echo 'test(int a) { printf("called with %d\n", a); }' >> a.c
[10:05] <Keybuk> then
[10:05] <Keybuk> uh, s/a.c/test.c/
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> open up a stack frame (i.e. move %esp, doable when you're controlling a task's execution and registers), write a stack frame for printf in (i.e. write current %eip as retp, write in the data you want to send to printf()), move %eip to the prologue of printf()
[10:06] <Keybuk> (gdb) p test(47)
[10:06] <Keybuk> called with 47
[10:06] <Keybuk> $1 = 15
[10:06] <Keybuk> (gdb) p test(12)
[10:06] <Keybuk> called with 12
[10:06] <Keybuk> $2 = 15
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> calling functions can be done without injecting code
[10:06] <Keybuk> ah, so you can still do that
[10:06] <Keybuk> that's what I was asking
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> try writing a new function
[10:07] <Keybuk> can't an exploiting process just do the same thing then?
[10:09] <Keybuk> it does seem to me that either it breaks gdb, or leaves a back door open
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> If you're interested, go pick up a No Starch Press printed book, Jon Erickson's "Hacking:  The Art of Exploitation"
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> it's not bad, it goes through the full exploit development process and shows how to inject code into the stack, and then shows how to evade non-executable stacks using ret2libc attacks
[10:10] <Keybuk> I'm only interested from a "don't break existing stuff" pov.
[10:10] <Keybuk> I know how to inject stuff into processes
[10:10] <bluefoxicy> http://pax.grsecurity.net/docs/aslr.txt is how you break ret2libc attacks btw ;)
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> well
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> I highly doubt gdb executes code in the target process
[10:11] <Keybuk> it does
[10:11] <bluefoxicy> it'd be hard to figure out reliably what it can and can't do
[10:11] <Keybuk> why?
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> executing a function doesn't have to involve injecting new code anyway
[10:12] <Keybuk> it can do a lot more than just executing functions, that's just the easiest example to demonstrate
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> well, gdb has to debug the program, it can't interfere with it THAT much
[10:12] <Keybuk> sure it can
[10:12] <sladen> D'uh.
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> the program has a non-executable stack, if you try to execute on the stack it dies.
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> If you have a NX stack and try to execute a nested function, it crashes.
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> Now what happens when you open your debugger and try to debug it if the debugger makes the stack executable?  :P
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> "I dunno why, it works in the debugger..."
[10:13] <zul> hey keybuk
[10:13] <Keybuk> if it works in the debugger, then any exploiting process can do it
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> i386 is the only architecture where the stack isn't typically non-executable.
[10:13] <Keybuk> the debugger isn't a magic binary
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> nope
[10:13] <Keybuk> it's not even setuid root
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> read what I said?
 Now what happens when you open your debugger and try to debug it if the debugger makes the stack executable?  :P
[10:14] <bluefoxicy> injecting code onto the stack when it's non-executable is fine; jumping to it will not work
[10:14] <Keybuk> if a debugger makes the stack executable, then so can an exploit
[10:14] <bluefoxicy> no, it can't.
[10:15] <Keybuk> what's magic about a debugger?
[10:15] <Keybuk> it's just a program that knows a little bit about how compilers make executables
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> An exploit can't halt a process, skip over an instruction, randomly alter data, and produce a full back trace at will.
[10:15] <Keybuk> sure it can
[10:15] <Keybuk> the explot can ptrace the executable :p
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> on Linux the debugger attaches to a process using ptrace()
[10:15] <sladen> bluefoxicy: man ptrace
[10:15] <bluefoxicy> which you need privileges to do to a higher privileged process.
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> so if user Jackass tries to ptrace() firefox-bin run by user David, it says "no, fuck off"
[10:16] <Keybuk> indeed
[10:16] <Keybuk> but you can ptrace your own executables
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> If you're already David, there's no need to hack your own executables.
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> you already have the privileges you need.
[10:16] <Keybuk> you can't write to the stack of higher privileged processes either
[10:16] <Keybuk> so I'm not sure I'm following your point
[10:16] <bluefoxicy> uh, yeah, right.
[10:17] <sladen> good-oh.
[10:18] <Keybuk> yes ... congrats, your on my machine as "scott" ?
[10:18] <Keybuk> how is that going to help you do anything
[10:18] <bluefoxicy> who says you even need to be on the same machine to pull out an exploit?  You can fire them straight through firewalls in some cases.
[10:18] <bluefoxicy> heh
[10:19] <Keybuk> you could just buy me a very large drink, and I'd lend you my laptop for half an hour :)
[10:19] <bluefoxicy> Well if I can get on your machine as scott, I can pull attacks like (for example) hitting postfix (if you have it installed, bound to <IP_ADDRESS> to mail root errors) or mysql (typically bound to localhost), or just yank down a new local root exploit (back in the day there was one that fucked up VMA and let you write to root process memory, by screwing with use_lib()...)
[10:19] <bluefoxicy> or prod around on http://www.milw0rm.com/
[10:20] <Keybuk> and then what would you do? :p
[10:20] <bluefoxicy> of course if the stack's not executable it's kind of hard to execute code you just injected on it :)
[10:20] <bluefoxicy> I dunno
[10:20] <Keybuk> I'm always curious about the script kiddie mentality
[10:20] <Keybuk> they're all "I'll h4x0r j00"
[10:20] <bluefoxicy> format your hard drive?  use root access to ptrace() firefox and suck up your passwords?   I gave him <IP_ADDRESS>. The next day he told me I was lucky that whenever he tried to attack me his machine crashed:-)
[10:21] <Keybuk> you couldn't get my GPG key from my laptop, it's on a separate device
[10:22] <bluefoxicy> I've done the lmsg nickserv identify <my root password is the same as my nickserv password> thing :)
[10:22] <Keybuk> there are far more interesting social engineering attacks to get that though
[10:22] <hunger> Keybuk: I laughed my head of... and so did everybody else in that IRC chanel... he never dared come back.
[10:22] <Keybuk> hacking people is MUCH more fun :p
[10:22] <sladen> bluefoxicy: what you do, is you overflow the stack with the return address to another function, that takes parameters left on the stack, then you buffer-overflow that function, in the case of an executable stack
[10:22] <_ion> Please hack infrared vision to my eyes.
[10:22] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  Yep.  That works, that's how you evade the NX stack.
[10:22] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  of course, if the mmap() base and stack base constantly move around, you have yet another task
[10:23] <Keybuk> ya know
[10:23] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  Locate the base of the stack (take a guess, that's about as good as it gets...) and of loaded libraries (yeah, good luck guessing that too...)
[10:23] <Keybuk> a thought occurs
[10:23] <Keybuk> prelink defeats randomised maps
[10:23] <Keybuk> yet ANOTHER reason to dislike prelink
[10:24] <sladen> bluefoxicy: yes, you already have to guess your way past 8-bit of mmap() base randomness and 19-bits of stack randomness
[10:24] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  So what next?  ... okay, write your stack frames into the heap, that doesn't move.  Bounce to a call in the main executable with %esp pointed in the right place in the heap, it'll finish off the stack frame, call the function.    Next you go to the pub and look for cute people to try and take home.
[10:26] <Keybuk> heh, now there's how to hack the Ubuntu archive.
[10:26] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  So this one's easy... build the main executable PIE, it moves with mmap(). Randomize the heap base too.  Bading.  :)
[10:26] <Keybuk> hire really gorgeous people to seduce Ubuntu developers and get them to upload back doors to things like the kernel or sysvinit
[10:26] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  Next order of business... give it time, someone will find something.  You probably left some daemon configured with a default root user and password or something.  ;)
[10:27] <Keybuk> roofies may be involved
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  hi :)
[10:27] <tseng> hi
[10:27] <sladen> "hey there sexy, I'd like to exploit your backdoor"
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> at any rate
[10:27] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  ok that sounds really gay
[10:27] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: there is a really simple way to completely guarantee your computer will never be hacked
[10:27] <zul> mmm...baddoors
[10:27] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: and what's wrong with being gay?
[10:27] <Keybuk> uh, heh
[10:28] <hunger> kkeybuk: scissors?
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  Dip it in molten iron and drop it down into that trench in the ocean.
[10:28] <Keybuk> hunger: exactly!
[10:28] <sladen> bluefoxicy: and what exactly would be wrong about that?
[10:28] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  *shrug* Nothing, just pointing out
[10:28] <Keybuk> there are several gay and bisexual Ubuntu developers on both Canonical pay roll and in the community
[10:29] <Keybuk> not to mention *gasp* women
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> sladen:  besides, I don't normally hear anyone talk about picking up guys at bars... usually they go to the GLBT center.
[10:29] <sladen> Keybuk: women?  *gasp*.  Youcannotbeserious?!(!)(!)(!)(!)
[10:29] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  There are females on the intarweb?
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> sladen: There's also furries in #ubuntu *gasp* :O
[10:30] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: so I suggest at this point you read the "Be respectful to others" section of the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  First off, my user page still says I haven't signed any code of conduct; second, I was never disrespectful to anyone.
[10:31] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: by participating here you are agreeing to abide by the code of conduct
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  ad-hominem but okay
[10:32] <tseng> this is highly entertaining
[10:32] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  I'd imagine from your stance it would be :p
[10:32] <Keybuk> bluefoxicy: if you do not feel you can participate without making insult to people different to yourself, I would ask that you leave
[10:33] <bluefoxicy> Keybuk:  I never insulted anyone, unless (inadvertantly) pointing out someone's gay somehow became an insult.
 sladen:  ok that sounds really gay
 sladen: There's also furries in #ubuntu *gasp* :O
[10:34] <Keybuk> etc.
[10:34] <Keybuk> these things could be insulting to others
[10:34] <Keybuk> both imply that you believe these kinds of people are not welcome here
[10:34] <Keybuk> that is not true
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> no, your brain implies that
[10:34] <bluefoxicy> I never said any such thing.
[10:35] <Keybuk> please be more aware of how things you say could be interpreted
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> anyway how did we get here from discussing gcj and xvid executable stacks
[10:35] <ChipX86> to be fair, the first was in response to "hey there sexy, I'd like to exploit your backdoor," and the second was a play on "there are *gasp* women"
[10:35] <bluefoxicy> yes chip
[10:36] <Keybuk> ChipX86: it was not a welcome response
[10:36] <ChipX86> I think this was just blown out of proportion
[10:36] <lifeless> iwj: heh, squid just picked up your patched version of Colin Pplumbs md5
[10:36] <ChipX86> Keybuk: no, perhaps not, but in the context it didn't appear to be anything but playing along
[10:37] <ChipX86> I think the best thing to do would be for everyone to move along
[10:37] <Keybuk> I agree
[10:37] <bluefoxicy> in context I figured a straight guy would go "uh" and try to recover face, and a gay guy would just shrug and not care
[10:37] <bluefoxicy> neither of which is particularly damaging to person
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> anyway what do I have to fix next
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> qthreads... where is that
[10:39] <lifeless> Keybuk: We're using the Claverly again for overflow :)
[10:39] <Keybuk> lifeless: I liked the Claverly -- who's ended up there? :)
[10:39] <lifeless> Keybuk: I *am* looking forward to breakfast next week :)
[10:39] <Keybuk> heh
[10:39] <Keybuk> the breakfast made up for the air-conditioning units
[10:39] <lifeless> and possibly breaking in some Mao players ;)
[10:40] <bluefoxicy> Running /tmp/x/gcj-4.1-4.1.0/src/gcc/testsuite/gcc.c-torture/compile/compile.exp  <-- awesome
[10:40] <lifeless> indeed, I'm not looking forward to hat
[10:41] <Keybuk> how did we end up overflowing a hotel?
[10:41] <Keybuk> I didn't think anyone else was in London this week?
[10:41] <lifeless> I think the hotel underflowed its spaces
[10:42] <lifeless> the K&K is just booked out
[10:42] <bluefoxicy> crap.
[10:43] <Keybuk> weren't you booked in already ages ago?
[10:43] <lifeless> yes
[10:43] <lifeless> currently at the K*K.
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> guile has no execstack patch on gentoo and fixing it is inordinately complex (fix some assembly files, rename some assembly files to .S instead of .s, fix the build system to recognize .s instead of .S, patch files calling the .s to use .S...)
[10:44] <bluefoxicy> I'll do that one later.
[10:58] <bluefoxicy> ok... liblzo1 is also complex but gentoo has a patch.
[11:48] <bluefoxicy> Running /tmp/x/gcj-4.1-4.1.0/src/gcc/testsuite/gcc.dg/dg.exp ...
[11:48] <bluefoxicy> FAIL: gcc.dg/20020122-2.c (test for excess errors)
[11:49] <bluefoxicy> just flat apt-get source'd and dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot'd it.


[02:56] <joey_> hi
[02:56] <joey_> does anyone here work on ubuntu studio ?
[03:07] <joey_> help
[03:12] <joey_> how do i stop ubuntu from showing errors on startup
[03:12] <joey_> its annoying
[03:12] <joey_> sooo annoying
[03:12] <joey_> is there a log i have to read ?
[03:12] <joey_> something ?
[03:49] <holstein> joey_: why?
[03:49] <holstein> joey_: you are likely seeing messages.. not errors
[03:49] <holstein> joey_: there is little way to integrate into the hardware to make it hide all of those
[03:50] <holstein> joey_: you can try a grub config to quiet them, but i assume you have already tried that..
[03:50] <holstein> !grub
[03:50] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/248/how-can-i-show-or-hide-boot-messages-when-ubuntu-starts
[03:52] <joey_> no
[03:52] <joey_> not grub!
[03:52] <joey_> xfce4
[03:52] <joey_> when I login :)
[03:53] <holstein> joey_: you would have but to ask a question
[03:53] <holstein> !details
[03:53] <joey_> i get like 4 of them
[03:53] <joey_> bugs
[03:53] <holstein> i have no idea what you are looking at.. take screenshots..
[03:53] <joey_> and it ask
[03:53] <holstein> !paste
[03:53] <joey_> for
[03:53] <joey_> oh boy ok
[03:53] <joey_> hold on
[03:53] <holstein> joey_: you are assuming bug..
[03:53] <holstein> joey_: oh boy?
[03:53] <joey_> haha
[03:54] <joey_> what?
[03:54] <holstein> joey_: let me help you with what our relationship is.. im a volunteer here.. and im offering volunteer help
[03:54] <joey_> you know when it ask for report
[03:54] <joey_> k ill restart
[03:54] <holstein> joey_: please try and use patience and share any details that can help a volunteer assist you
[03:54] <joey_> ok brb
[03:57] <holstein> joey_: "it" doesnt ask me for a report, friend.. this is going to be quite specific to your hardware, and "messages" based on your hardware case
[03:58] <joey_> lol
[03:58] <holstein> joey_: ?
[03:58] <joey_> I get these : http://imgur.com/oV3OIFx
[03:58] <joey_> Everytime I log in
[03:59] <joey_> It's in french
[03:59] <joey_> god damnit
[03:59] <joey_> oh only one is
[03:59] <joey_> it says exactly the same thing
[03:59] <holstein> !language | joey_
[03:59] <joey_> sorry
[03:59] <joey_> sigh
[03:59] <joey_> My life is bad ok ?
[03:59] <joey_> I'm sorry
[03:59] <holstein> joey_: ?
[04:00] <holstein> joey_: this is a support channel for an operating system, friend.. has nothing to do with life
[04:00] <joey_> I am alone
[04:00] <holstein> ok.. you dont need anyone to address your situation..
[04:00] <joey_> well it's my life
[04:00] <joey_> I don't ?
[04:00] <joey_> It says system program problem detected
[04:00] <holstein> joey_: please feel free and communicate about your life in an offtopic channel. #ubuntu-offtopic or the defocus channel
[04:01] <holstein> joey_: otherwise.. what i would do about the popup messages is, start by applying upgrades..
[04:01] <joey_> Done
[04:01] <joey_> I am an upgrade freak
[04:01] <holstein> joey_: in a terminal.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:01] <holstein> joey_: you can run the commands i gave above, and report that you are up to date..
[04:02] <holstein> joey_: then, if you have any PPA's or 3rd party unsupported sources, you'll want to consider removing them
[04:02] <holstein> !ppa
[04:02] <joey_> I am
[04:02] <holstein> !info ppa-purge
[04:02] <joey_> uh
[04:02] <joey_> I don't trust these so no...
[04:02] <joey_> the only thing would be infinality but it always worked fine
[04:02] <joey_> and I installed that one myself
[04:03] <holstein> joey_: "it" always worked fine?
[04:03] <joey_> Never had an error from using it for months
[04:03] <joey_> while...*
[04:03] <holstein> from using what?
[04:03] <joey_> Infinality
[04:03] <holstein> did installing it cause the messages?
[04:03] <joey_> nope
[04:03] <joey_> It is the first thing I installed
[04:03] <holstein> ok.. then, its likely its no issue then, correct?
[04:03] <joey_> always is
[04:04] <joey_> Yes, I would assume.
[04:04] <holstein> joey_: ok.. but, do you feel its not causing the issue?
[04:04] <joey_> Especially if I get 4 prompts
[04:04] <holstein> ok.. what i would do next is, test as another user..
[04:04] <joey_> No because it is working properly
[04:05] <holstein> if i dont see those messages as the guest user, or a different user, then the issue could be in my user config
[04:05] <joey_> and what would be the if else of that
[04:05] <holstein> joey_: the "if else of that" ?
[04:05] <joey_> haha
[04:05] <holstein> joey_: ?
[04:05] <joey_> I am bad at programming?
[04:05] <holstein> joey_: i dont know what you are talking about. or asking me
[04:06] <holstein> i dont konw what that means when you ask "whats the if else of that"...
[04:06] <holstein> joey_: if you want an answer from me, you'll need to elaborate
[04:06] <joey_> oh im so tired
[04:06] <joey_> sorry
[04:06] <joey_> just be cool man
[04:06] <holstein> joey_: no need to be sorry.. just ask, friend
[04:07] <holstein> joey_: i am asking that you "be cool"
[04:07] <joey_> im not the brightest
[04:07] <holstein> joey_: i didnt say that.. just ask, friend
[04:07] <joey_> What I would like to know
[04:07] <joey_> is to find the root of the problem
[04:07] <holstein> joey_: you dont need to say that..
[04:07] <holstein> just ask..
[04:08] <joey_> Can't I read some log to see what those prompts are about ?
[04:08] <holstein> joey_: do you see the messages as the guest user? or another user?
[04:08] <joey_> hold on
[04:08] <holstein> joey_: you can read kwhat you like, friend.. if you are reading what im writing, i suggest using the guest account and/or another user to remove your user config from the equation
[04:08] <joey_> uh?
[04:09] <joey_> "user config" "equation" ?
[04:09] <holstein> joey_: the guest account.. from the login screen.
[04:09] <joey_> ok brb then
[04:09] <holstein> joey_: each user, your user on the machine and all other user accounts have a config
[04:09] <holstein> the config for xfce, for the session.. *alll* the user applciations
[04:10] <joey_> No I do not get the prompts as Guest
[04:10] <holstein> joey_: using the guest account removes this users config from the equation.. and can help me better determine where the issue might be..
[04:11] <joey_> Guest is fine
[04:11] <holstein> joey_: so, what would i do? start removing the user config files.. and resetting the ones pertaining to the "Messages" you are seeing
[04:11] <joey_> How
[04:11] <holstein> joey_: ?
[04:12] <holstein> joey_: as stated above, removing the offending user config files
[04:12] <joey_> how..
[04:12] <holstein> joey_: its not my system, friend.. so i would want to look and see what is "bad"
[04:12] <holstein> joey_: but, you can start with ~/.config/xfce
[04:13] <holstein> you dont have to delete or remove.. you can just rename, or move them out of the way for a bit.. and test..
[04:13] <holstein> you can try removing the saved, or cached sessions..
[04:13] <joey_> mmhh
[04:14] <holstein> .cache/sessions is likely where those are..
[04:14] <holstein> anyways, you konw where the issue is, at least.. the "root of the problem" so to speak..
[04:14] <joey_>   yeah
[04:14] <joey_> i though about sessions
[04:15] <holstein> joey_: you thought about them?
[04:15] <holstein> joey_: unless you tried to remove them from the equation.. thinking about them wont do anything..
[04:15] <joey_> haha
[04:15] <joey_> this is funny
[04:15] <holstein> joey_: this?
[04:15] <joey_> O_O
[04:16] <holstein> joey_: you mean, my trying to volunteer support to you is humorous?
[04:16] <joey_> well
[04:16] <holstein> joey_: its not that funny for me
[04:16] <joey_> the fact that we do not understand each other very well
[04:17] <joey_> plus the idea that I am tired
[04:17] <joey_> I'M SORRY OK ?
[04:17] <holstein> joey_: the goal of this channel is not that.. our understanding each other is irrelevant
[04:17] <holstein> joey_: you need not be sorry.. just ask for support if you need it..
[04:19] <joey_> ok brb
[04:20] <joey_> I still get the exact same thing (4 prompts)
[04:20] <holstein> joey_: ok
[04:20] <holstein> joey_: from doing what?
[04:21] <joey_> from login in
[04:21] <holstein> joey_: what did you do?
[04:21] <joey_> log in
[04:21] <holstein> joey_: ok, friend. in order to change the behavior, you'll need to remove some config files
[04:21] <holstein> joey_: did you remove or rename the ones i suggested?
[04:21] <joey_> yes
[04:22] <joey_> I moved them in a bak folder
[04:22] <joey_> I think I just found something
[04:22] <joey_> to fix it
[04:23] <holstein> joey_: what would i do? i would make another user.. boot in. if i see no messages.. i would go back to my user and move *all* the .config or .hidden config files.. i would test.. if no messages, i would put back the few config files that im interested in keeping..
[04:23] <joey_> I am scared
[04:24] <joey_> http://www.techdrivein.com/2012/08/how-to-disable-system-program-problem.html
[04:25] <holstein> joey_: thats to disable the messaging system
[04:25] <holstein> joey_: i suggest you address the errors as listed above.. do what you like
[04:25] <joey_> yeah
[04:26] <holstein> joey_: feel free and ask in #ubuntu since this is not ubuntustudio related
[04:26] <joey_> i get your idea
[04:32] <joey_> They were old crashed
[04:32] <joey_> crashes*
[04:32] <joey_> I fixed it
[04:32] <joey_> With this http://askubuntu.com/questions/133385/getting-system-program-problem-detected-pops-up-regularly-after-upgrade
[04:32] <joey_> I'm keeping that one as a favorite
[04:32] <joey_> :D
[04:33] <joey_> Thanks anyway !
[04:33] <joey_> " sudo rm /var/crash/* " fixed it
[04:37] <Unit193> Wonder if he knows the dumps show up in .cache/upstart/ too. :D
[04:38] <holstein> well, i have a feeling joey will be back
[17:25] <koki26> hola
[17:25] <holstein> o/
[17:25] <koki26> español?
[17:25] <holstein> !es
[18:28] <linguitarist> need help troubleshooting - D-Bus: Jack server could not be started
[18:28] <linguitarist> Sys details
[18:29] <linguitarist> Ubuntu 14.04, with ubuntu-studio packages installed, low latency kernel
[18:29] <linguitarist> already added my user to the 'audio' group
[18:30] <linguitarist> before I ran the low latency kernel, I could start jack but without real-time scheduling
[18:30] <linguitarist> goal:  run ardour3 on my dell xps 13 multicore ultrabook
[18:30] <linguitarist> suggestions?
[18:50] <linguitarist> also, it looks like pulseaudio is off.  is that the default with ubuntu studio or with the -lowlatency kernel?
[19:04] <holstein> linguitarist: without realtime scheduling?
[19:05] <holstein> linguitarist: all that should "just happen" now.. you shouldnt need to do anything to configure "realtime scheduling"
[19:05] <holstein> linguitarist: i would relax the jack settings, and undo whatever you did that seems to have broken it from starting..
[19:05] <holstein> you can use "gksudo qjackctl" to *temporarily* run as root to troubleshoot any permissions issues
[19:06] <holstein> linguitarist: you can run ardour3 with the generic kernel
[19:06] <holstein> linguitarist: my suggestion is.. if you have an internal audio device, forget about the term "lowlatency" and "realtime"
[19:06] <holstein> linguitarist: just use jack, with normal high latency..
[19:07] <holstein> you dont need lowlatency to use ardour,a nd to record and overdub
[19:07] <holstein> there are only 2 cases where you require lowlatency, and those are, realtime audio effects.. like wanting to playing a guitar and add software effects while playing the instrument live
[19:07] <holstein> the other is live software synths.. playing a midi keyboard as a live instrument live in realtime..
[19:08] <holstein> you will not be able to achieve latency settings to facilitate this likely with *any* internal, onboard, built-in audio device
[19:08] <holstein> but, thats ok, since you are likely not doing either of those things and just read the term "realtime" somewhere, and assumed it was necessary, and its not
[20:08] <linguitarist> ok, i found a mirrored version of the jackaudio.org site (currently down) and am getting informed on real time scheduling
[20:09] <linguitarist> understand now that I don't need the special kernel
[20:09] <linguitarist> thx
[20:10] <linguitarist> https://web.archive.org/web/20140330103313/http://jackaudio.org/linux_rt_config
[20:10] <linguitarist> fyi
[20:18] <linguitarist> i fixed it all by killing jackdbus from the commandline
[20:21] <linguitarist> now i can run pulse and jack again, but still can't get jack to run with real-time scheduling.  The RT light is flashing in my qjackctl display.
[20:21] <linguitarist> I assume this means I need to try different jack latency parameters .. is that right?
[20:23] <linguitarist> or it might be a permissions issue, because I'm using plain ubuntu, with the the ubuntu-studio packages added later
[20:23] <linguitarist> I don't see a group for 'audio' or 'realtime' in /etc/security/limits.conf
[21:09] <OvenWerks> linguitarist: look in limits.d
[21:12] <OvenWerks> the file will have the word dissabled appended to it for no rt. rename to fix
[21:13] <OvenWerks> also need your user to have audio group
[21:14] <OvenWerks> the linux_lowlatency kernel is much easier to tune with.
[21:29] <linguitarist> my user had the audio group, but the audio group doesn't seem to the right security limits
[21:30] <linguitarist> I reconfigured it, now have to logout.  bye


[05:33] <beuno> Burgundavia: just got home, how's UWN?
[05:34] <Burgundavia> watching Firefly right now
[05:35] <boredandblogging> that was an awesome show
[05:35] <boredandblogging> has a user rating of 9.5/10 on imdb which is plain nuts
[05:35] <beuno> Burgundavia: great, I'll walk the dog and add whatever I have left
[05:35] <beuno> did you add what you wanted?
[05:35] <Burgundavia> not yet
[05:36] <beuno> good, do your watching, I'll finish up my part then
[05:36] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:53] <beuno> whenever your around, I also want to ask you *how* to post to the Fridge, as there aren't any links anywhere
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> "magical connections"
[05:55] <beuno> tonyyarusso: I thought I saw some magic there...
[06:07] <Madpilot> voodoo, actually.
[06:07] <beuno> Madpilot: thanks for the specifics  :D
[06:07] <beuno> aren't you an editor too?
[06:08] <Madpilot> no, I just loiter here for some reason
[06:08] <beuno> the "auto-join" thingie really defines what you end up doing in life, doesn't it?
[06:09] <Madpilot> yes, I remain interested in the Fridge because of my xchat setup :)
[06:10] <beuno> :p
[06:32] <Burgundavia> beuno: you login via /user
[06:32] <Burgundavia> and then you have stuff on the side
[06:32] <Burgundavia> what is your email again, for the UWN
[06:33] <Burgundavia> I am completely exhausted, so will postpone anything I will do until 42
[06:33] <beuno> Burgundavia: I did, and nothing new except "log out" and "my account" appeared
[06:33] <Burgundavia> maybe you didn't get the rights
[06:33] <beuno> Burgundavia: I use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:33] <beuno> Burgundavia: that sounds like what happened  :D
[06:33] <beuno> can you check it out so I can do the full release now?
[06:34] <Burgundavia> I will send you the password
[06:34] <Burgundavia> and let Madpilot deal with the Fridge
[06:34] <beuno> Burgundavia: great, thanks, good night
[06:35] <Burgundavia> sent
[06:35] <Madpilot> Me? huh?
[06:35] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you do remember I've never bothered getting Fridge edit/commit rights, yes?
[06:35] <beuno> ah
[06:35] <Burgundavia> right
[06:35] <Burgundavia> ugh
[06:35] <beuno> maybe not  :D
[06:35] <Burgundavia> nixternal might still be alive
[06:35] <beuno> nixternal maybe?
[06:37] <beuno> Burgundavia: don't worry about it, I'll get it sent tomorrow
[06:37] <Lipe_> hi everyone
[06:37] <beuno> thanks, night
[06:37] <beuno> hey Lipe_
[06:37] <Burgundavia> I can do it
[06:37] <Burgundavia> tomorrow
[06:40] <boredandblogging> beuno: anything else needed for the UWN?
[06:41] <beuno> boredandblogging: going through all of it, but it seems like another great release   :D
[06:41] <boredandblogging> awesome
[06:42] <beuno> needs some work from my part on "Team of the Week" and "Spec of the Week" to be perfect  :D
[06:42] <beuno> Burgundavia: can I run something by you real quick?
[06:42] <Burgundavia> sure
[06:42] <beuno> I added to the UWN the "Solar Planet" bit
[06:42] <beuno> and added the phrase "It's on the right side just below the "Subscribe" links. If you want to get your Planet on their, get in touch with us at the marketing team and we'll help you through the process"
[06:43] <beuno> (their should be there)
[06:43] <beuno> is that OK?
[06:43] <beuno> I didn't know where to refer people to
[06:44] <Burgundavia> that is probably best
[06:44] <Burgundavia> that way we can filter requests, basically
[06:44] <beuno> yeap, that was the main idea, just didn't want to create havoc on the mailing list
[06:46] <beuno> (now without someone elses aproval anyway)  :p
[07:24] <beuno> releasing now...
[07:28] <beuno> boredandblogging: can you digg it?
[07:33] <beuno> poningru: maybe you can digg the latest UWN?
[07:36] <boredandblogging> beuno: let me find a digg account and I'll do it
[07:36] <beuno> boredandblogging: great, thanks!
[07:39] <poningru> yarr k
[07:39] <boredandblogging> poningru: if you want to do it, go for it
[07:40] <poningru> oh ubuntumarketing and c4n0n1c4l
[07:42] <boredandblogging> ok
[07:49] <boredandblogging> is there a way to edit it after its created?
[07:49] <boredandblogging> says 34th instead of 41
[07:50] <beuno> boredandblogging: if you already sent it, I think no, but I'm not sure  :D
[07:51] <boredandblogging> thats retarded
[07:51] <beuno> poningru: any idea?
[07:51] <poningru> err...
[07:51] <poningru> dont think so
[07:52] <boredandblogging> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_41
[07:54] <boredandblogging> oh well
[07:54] <boredandblogging> with that screw up, I'm out, later all
[07:55] <beuno> boredandblogging: later, and again, great job
[02:15] <jono> jenda: ping
[02:16] <jono> elkbuntu: ping
[02:42] <jenda> jono: pong
[02:42] <jono> jenda: where is the ubuntu poster?
[02:42] <jenda> jono: where?
[02:43] <jenda> jono: source files?
[02:43] <jono> jenda: the files so someone can print it
[02:43] <jenda> j'sec
[02:43] <jenda> jono: http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/Batch%201,%20Posters/
[02:50] <elkbuntu> jono pong?
[02:51] <jono> elkbuntu: its ok, sorted now :)
[02:51] <elkbuntu> cool
[03:34] <clintfish> Greetings
[04:33] <clintfish> Greetings everyone. What do you think about aaaaaaaaaaa school project with and about ubuntu. I mean a real image film or something with photos or film
[05:06] <clintfish> Hello: I want to make a movie project with and about ubuntu. It's a school project. the last project of my school life. you know the final project. what do you think about that idea
[05:09] <clintfish> anyone here?! any respond?! please =)
[05:10] <boredandblogging> clintfish: you might want to send this to the mailing list
[05:10] <boredandblogging> it will get lost here
[05:10] <clintfish> okay and where i found it ?! xd
[05:11] <boredandblogging> clintfish: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[05:12] <clintfish> oh okay thank you very much.
[05:12] <clintfish> do you like that idea?
[05:12] <boredandblogging> it could be interesting
[05:12] <clintfish> =) thank you
[05:13] <clintfish> got much good feedback now it should work
[05:42] <boredandblogging> jenda: ping
[06:23] <tuxcrafte1> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
[06:23] <tuxcrafte1> why is Linux loosing market share such rapidly?
[06:24] <tuxcrafte1> had Vista such a big influence
[06:38] <jenda> boredandblogging: pong
[06:39] <jenda> tuxcrafte1: statistics are a way to make many many tiny truths into one big, big lie.
[06:39] <jenda> :)
[06:39] <tuxcrafte1> jeda: true
[06:41] <jenda> Vista, to my observation, has had a positive influence on Linux adoption rather than negative.
[06:41] <tuxcrafte1> jenda: but this source is the most accurate on the Internet, also with the website that shows how many computers are connected with the Internet you can calculate the number of Linux users. compair it with data of distrowatch and individual distros like ubuntu and I dont think you will get better data
[06:42] <jenda> tuxcrafte1: I don't believe the actual numbers are dropping.
[06:42] <tuxcrafte1> jenda: a lot of people waited to buy a new computer until vista, so when vista came out there ware a lot of new vista aka windows users so the linux markted share went odne
[06:42] <tuxcrafte1> nu numbers are NOT dropping
[06:42] <tuxcrafte1> i did not say that:-D
[06:42] <tuxcrafte1> marked share is dropping
[06:43] <tuxcrafte1> linux users are rising i think
[06:43] <jenda> I also don't think the total numbers of computers are rising so much as to show such a drop in linux usage.
[06:43] <tuxcrafte1> jenda: sorry to burst a way but i have to go directly back in 30 min
[06:44] <jenda> and BTW, market share is a very inaccurate term, according to the Gnu ;)
[06:44] <jenda> tuxcrafte1: no problem. I won't be here, thoguh.
[06:45] <jenda> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Market
[07:15] <tuxcrafte1> jenda: back
[07:17] <tuxcrafte1> jenda: yes that link sound pretty much like stallman :-P
[07:18] <tuxcrafte1> i also believe that philosophy come before business, But I strongly believe the to should not be separated and comes together
[08:07] <toros> hi
[11:08] <sladen> woo, the latest ubuntu news went out with a youtube linking pointing to soft pr0n
[11:34] <dergringo> what the... ?
[11:38] <beuno> sladen: whaaaat?
[11:38] <beuno> where?
[11:40] <beuno> sladen: just saw the youtube link... not sure its "soft pr0n", but it sure isn't mark...
[11:40] <Flannel> While I see nothing that might be porn, I also don't think that clip is the right one.
[11:40] <sladen> if anyone can look into (a) finding the right one  (b) fixing the wiki  (c) contacting youtube to see if they can assist
[11:41] <beuno> sladen: removed it from the wiki and forums, thanks
[11:41] <sladen> beuno: excellent


[03:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (xenial-proposed/main) [2.408.21 => 2.408.22] (desktop-core)
[23:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-printers (artful-proposed/universe) [0.1.7+17.04.20170227-0ubuntu3 => 0.1.7+17.10.20171021-0ubuntu1] (edubuntu) (sync)


[18:39] <qwebirc96010> hello, I have a hardware setup with 3 WinTV-HVR-1250 PCIe cards, and 1 pcHDTV 5500 PCI card, but I'm not able to get all 4 of them recording.  All 4 cards are dectected by the operating systems that I have used (mythbuntu 14.04, mythbuntu 16.04), but only 3 of them scan channels and record propertly.
[18:40] <qwebirc96010> The fourth card, which i'm almost certain is one of the WinTV-HVR-1250 cards, while being recognized as a recorder under '/dev/dvb' does not scan any channels (0 channels detected), and so i obviously cannot record anything with it.  So, i'm only able to record 3 ATSC channels simultaneously at the moment, and I'd like to be able to this machine to record 4 ATSC channels simultaneously.
[18:40] <qwebirc96010> so, i'm trying to figure out if there is a kernel device driver paramater for example, the 'cx23885' module parameter, that can be tweaked to make all 4 cards (all 3 WinTV-HVR-1250 cards) working as intended.  So, i'm looking into tweaking one of the 'cx23885' parameters like -  vbibufs, vid_limit, mpegbufs  - to see if any of these will get the desired result.
[18:41] <qwebirc96010> I know I had to set the kernel parameter "vmalloc=320M" to get 2 WinTV-HVR-1600 PCI cards to work on a different machine.  So, i'm wondering if something similar can be modified to get all 4 cards working on this machine.
[20:14] <qwebirc96010> does '#define CX23885_MAXBOARDS 8'  mean that up to 8 WinTV-HVR-1250 cards can be installed on the same system and capable of recording 8 different channels simultaneously??


[06:15] <PP2CV> GUTEN TAG
[20:20] <josh_> Good afternoon, I am using xbuntu 22.04. For some reasons when i search for a document, it doesn't display the files and it simply seems that the search function is non operational... any workarounds?
[20:30] <josh_> I guess I am left with no choice as there are no answers
[20:59] <diogenes_Vx15> josh_, you search what?
[21:01] <josh_> in the music folder, when I search for a file in the search bar, it doesnt display anything, it just stays there
[21:01] <diogenes_Vx15> what search bar? can you post a screenshot?
[21:08] <josh_> Well, it is clear enough I suppose, the search functionality doesn't work, it does not return anything
[21:10] <diogenes_Vx15> josh_, where are you searching? in Thunar?
[21:10] <josh_> I guess if you put it that way
[21:11] <josh_>  it's probably a common issue with Xbuntu


[07:27] <StevenK> wgrant: Sigh, self.findBranches()[:chunk_size] is bad -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/storm/+bug/820290
[07:27] <_mup_> Bug #820290: resultset.set ignores slice, modifying data it shouldn't <Storm:New> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/820290 >
[07:49] <wgrant> StevenK: Heh, I did mention that.
[16:23] <mtaylor> hey guys -
[16:23] <mtaylor> I'm getting an ssl handshake error when trying to connect to launchpad api
[16:23] <mtaylor> httplib2.SSLHandshakeError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:499: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed
[16:40] <mtaylor> I can login to staging, just not LPNET_SERVICE_ROOT
[16:47] <mtaylor> httplib2.SSLHandshakeError: [Errno 1] _ssl.c:504: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed
[16:47] <mtaylor> gha
[16:58] <elmo> mtaylor: looking
[17:06] <mtaylor> elmo: thanks!
[17:07] <mtaylor> elmo: fwiw, I get this on natty, oneiric and precise, and I hit it on both login_with() and login_anonymously()
[17:08] <mtaylor> easy reproducable from a local laptop ... import launchpadlib ; launchpadlib.launchpad.Launchpad.login_anonymously('testing', launchpadlib.uris.LPNET_SERVICE_ROOT)
[18:35] <elmo> mtaylor: sorry, got distracted by sabdfl, but someone else fixed it while I was talking
[18:35] <elmo> mtaylor: is it working for you now?
[18:44] <mtaylor> elmo: it seems to be fixed, thanks!