[13:58] <jcsackett> sinzui: i'm on call today but i don't think it makes sense for me to grab the review you have in the queue.
[13:58] <jcsackett> what with you being the one who does my follow up. :-P
[13:58] <sinzui> I will ask bac or EdwinGrubbs
[13:59] <bac> sinzui:  i can do it
[14:00] <jcsackett> thanks, bac.
[14:08] <jcsackett> sinzui, bac: mind if i take you out of the queue in the topic?
[15:47] <bac> sinzui: i haven't gotten to your review yet and now i have the YUI thing for an hour.  are you in a huge rush?
[15:47] <sinzui> No rush at all
[16:22] <henninge> danilos: did you want to review the branch or shall I ask jcsackett to look at it?
[16:23] <danilos> henninge, just go for jcsackett, I can only glance to see that you didn't remove something important :P
[16:25] <henninge> jcsackett: Hi! I have a somewhat oversized branch but it has a lot of mechanical changes. I wrote up a nice cover letter, too. ;)
[16:26] <jcsackett> henninge: shoot me the MP, i'm happy to look at it.
[16:26] <henninge> https://code.launchpad.net/~henninge/launchpad/db-devel-688519-getusedtranslationmessage/+merge/43924
[16:26] <henninge> jcsackett: thanks
[16:28] <bigjools> mrevell: care to take a butcher's? https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/launchpad/front-page-link-to-ppas-bug-583707/+merge/43929
[16:28] <mrevell> bigjools, I certainly would.
[16:29] <bigjools> as long as you don't tell me to sling my butcher's
[16:52] <mrevell> sorry for the delay bigjools, I'm having some trouble getting it to run.
[16:52] <bigjools> mrevell: can I help?
[16:53] <mrevell> bigjools, When I run make run I get the following:
[16:54] <mrevell> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544503/
[16:54] <bigjools> mrevell: run rocketfuel-get
[16:54] <bigjools> your sourcecode is out of date
[16:55] <mrevell> Oh, I had but after I'd pulled your branch. Do I need to merge in devel?
[16:57] <mrevell> yes, I do, right, working
[16:58] <bigjools> mrevell: no need to merge
[16:58] <bigjools> just update sourcecode
[17:10] <henninge> jcsackett: I have to run out now, sorry.
[17:10] <jcsackett> henninge: no worries.
[17:17] <bigjools> mrevell: any good?
[17:18] <mrevell> bigjools, I've updated sourcecode and it then asked me to rerun link-external... so I did that and it still won't make run ... I'm trying rocketfuel-get again for good measure.
[17:18] <bigjools> rerun?
[17:19] <bigjools> mrevell: easy steps: 1. rf-get, 2. get my branch, 3. link-ext..., 4. make run
[17:20] <bigjools> that should be enough
[17:20] <mrevell> Yeah, did all that ... ah,  it's complaining about repo format when I do the rf-get
[17:22] <mrevell> bigjools, running rf-setup to get a clean sheet
[17:22] <bigjools> !
[17:22] <bigjools> mrevell: can you paste output?
[17:24] <mrevell> bigjools, link-external-sourcecode gives me this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544510/
[17:24] <bigjools> mrevell: try utilities/link-external-sourcecode ../../lp-sourcecode
[17:25] <mrevell> hmm
[17:25] <mrevell> bigjools, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544511/
[17:25] <mrevell> oh, source-deps
[17:25] <mrevell> ?
[17:26] <bigjools> sourcedeps my bad
[17:26] <bigjools> ok now?
[17:27] <mrevell> okay, so that worked, thanks ... make run gives me: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/544512/
[17:27] <mrevell> which is what I was getting earlier
[17:28] <mrevell> bigjools, When I try rocketfuel-get it's complaining about different rich root support. Does that sound familiar?
[17:28] <bigjools> ignore it
[17:28] <bigjools> mrevell: ok
[17:28] <bigjools> try utilities/update-sourcecode
[17:29] <mrevell> running
[17:30] <mrevell> each one said "no change"
[17:30] <mrevell> trying make run ... no luck
[17:34] <bigjools> hmph
[17:35] <bigjools> mrevell: have you got lp-sourcedeps/eggs/testtools-0.9.8_r151-py2.6.egg
[17:36] <mrevell> bigjools, no
[17:37] <bigjools> mrevell: are you running utilities/update-sourcecode in my branch's directory?
[17:37] <mrevell> I am
[17:37]  * bigjools is stumped
[17:38] <mrevell> trying update-sourcecode again as I have no better ideas
[17:38] <bigjools> mrevell: this has happened to me before - I think I blew away all my eggs and restarted
[17:38] <bigjools> but it'd  be nice to work out wtf is going on
[18:03] <leonardr> benji-lunch, going to give you an incremental diff for yesterday's branch
[18:06] <bac> hi sinzui
[18:11] <sinzui> hi bac
[18:13] <sinzui> EdwinGrubbs, bac: I have another branch of 3 trivial bugs that needs review
[18:13] <bac> hi sinzui.  i was testing your branch and created a new team with mailing list.  i was momentarily confused when i got the message "Mailing list requested and queued for approval"
[18:13] <sinzui> yuck
[18:13] <bac> is that still there just to indicate it isn't available immediately?  very misleading
[18:13] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: I can take it.
[18:13] <sinzui> lets get that message out of the code
[18:13] <sinzui> bac, the list is not available immediately
[18:14] <bac> sinzui: yes, as above
[18:14] <bac> i think a new message that said "give us a few minutes already" would be swell
[18:14] <bac> "hold your horses"
[18:15] <sinzui> bac: maybe: "The mailing list will be available in a few minutes"
[18:15] <bac> not as colorful but will work
[18:15] <sinzui> There is a bug I decided to postpone. the team page implies the list and archive are working immediately
[18:16] <sinzui> I want a message I can show in the portlet and on the configure page.
[18:16] <leonardr> benji-lunch: https://code.launchpad.net/~leonardr/launchpadlib/retry-on-invalid-token/+merge/43784
[18:16] <leonardr> now going to work on your feedback
[18:17] <bac> sinzui: when creating a mailing list the button still says "Apply for a mailing list" which is misleading too
[18:17] <sinzui> yeo
[18:17] <sinzui> yep
[18:17] <sinzui> that is also in the ug
[18:17] <sinzui> bug
[18:17] <bac> oh ok
[18:17] <sinzui> there is a counter part too. The list is deactivated, but the button say create a list
[18:17] <benji> leonardr: looking
[18:21] <bac> sinzui: so i'm confused.  are you saying all of those issues are bundled in another bug?
[18:21] <sinzui> yes
[18:21] <sinzui> teo bug
[18:21] <sinzui> two bugs
[18:22] <bac> sinzui: ok, then i won't mention them in this review.  gotcha.
[18:22] <bac> sinzui: were you getting an assertion error due to the lack of a page_title
[18:22] <sinzui> bac: I thought I could fix them in this branch, but I think they should be a separate branch
[18:23] <bac> sinzui: +1
[18:23] <sinzui> bac, yes
[18:23] <bac> sinzui: why is that assertion not seen in the web UI?
[18:24] <sinzui> I think the upcall to the parent may be different. The class *should* provide page_title because the parent's label is different, thus the page title is different (and wrong) too
[18:26] <bac> sinzui: r=bac
[18:36] <jcsackett> henninge: just in case you're no monitoring the channel i accidentally sent this message to first, there are comments/questions on your MP.
[18:37] <jcsackett> please, no more 800+ branches, folks. :-P
[19:19] <leonardr> benji: "programmatic enforcement of the
[19:19] <leonardr>     given rules is warranted"
[19:19] <leonardr> you mean by raising ValueError?
[19:20]  * leonardr considering raising ValueError if the values given are _inconsistent_, but leaving it alone otherwise
[19:30] <benji> leonardr: right; it seems that there are many combinations of arguments that leave some ignored, offering opportunities for user frustration; it would be nice to short circuit some of that frustration
[20:05] <flacoste> gary_poster: can you make sure that bug 673252 is QAed?
[20:05] <_mup_> Bug #673252: server.* scope not robust on misspelt scopes <feature-flags> <lp-foundations> <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by stub> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/673252 >
[20:05] <gary_poster> flacoste: ok, on call, but will arrange
[20:05] <flacoste> jcsackett: and you can QA bug 681034?
[20:05] <_mup_> Bug #681034: UnknownURLScheme raised running distributionmirror-prober script <lp-registry> <oops> <qa-needstesting> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by jcsackett> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/681034 >
[20:06] <gary_poster> benji, do you have availablility to QA the bug above
[20:06] <gary_poster> ?
[20:06] <jcsackett> ah, flacoste, sorry. i qa'ed it but forgot to change the tag. one moment.
[20:06] <benji> gary_poster: sure
[20:07] <gary_poster> thank you much benji
[20:07] <benji> gary_poster: wait, jcsackett said that he QAed it
[20:07] <gary_poster> benji that was another bug?
[20:07] <jcsackett> benji: i qa'd 681034.
[20:08] <jcsackett> distributionmirror-prober.
[20:08] <benji> ah!  the reverse-cronology of the scroll-back confused me; I'll QA 673252
[20:10] <benji> generally we need to be better about writing down solid reproduction steps
[20:17] <benji> gary_poster, flacoste: 673252 is qa-ok
[20:17] <gary_poster> thank you benji
[20:17] <benji> np
[20:18] <flacoste> thanks
[20:29] <jcsackett> flacoste: 681034 is tagged qa-ok.
[22:15] <EdwinGrubbs> sinzui: review sent


[00:01] <folkie> hey. i customized my plymouth loader, but it only works when shutting down. when the computer is starting up, the default xubuntu image is shown, and the customized background is only shown if i press an arrow key (goes to text mode) and again to come back to graphical mode (returns to the customized background). how can i make the starting image to be the customized one?
[00:24] <HiddenDjinn> i'm having issues playing full screen video using trusty
[00:33] <peyam> no didnt work. lightdm restart wont work
[00:40] <cremorne> Hi guys, I have been using Xubuntu 14.04 beta 2 for the last 8 weeks or so, with no problems, its been working fine. I've been using Blender 2.69 for video editing which has also been working fine. Two days ago I upgraded my Xubuntu to the official 14.04 release. Now I have a serious problem in Blender. Specifically, the Camera Solve and Object Solve functions, in the movie clip editing panel, now crash instantly when I try to use them. As mentioned, it was
[01:37] <Dayofswords> Has do-release-upgrade worked for anyone on 12.04?
[01:41] <Unit193> Dayofswords: LTS releases get the update window (and option) at the first point release.
[01:43] <Dayofswords> like 14.04.1?
[01:43] <Unit193> Yeppers.
[01:45] <Dayofswords> Unit193: Aren't those normal made around the next 6 month release?
[01:45] <Dayofswords> 14.10 that is.
[01:45] <Unit193> July 24th
[01:46] <Dayofswords> oh I found it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-14.04.1
[01:50] <CyborgCygnus> Alright I finally got round to attempting a dual boot install of xubuntu 14.04lts on my ssd. It got the the parts of the installation & failed installing the grub, I tried putting it on 3 other partitions but couldn't actually make a new one for it. I tried to put it on the Windows bootloader
[01:50] <CyborgCygnus> got to*
[01:51] <CyborgCygnus> I stuffed that up. It got to the last stages of installation & even said installation was complete, but a pop up came up for the grub saying it had failed to install.
[02:25] <xubuntu043> Hi room, wondering if I can ask for some help for a newbie to linux...been on windows for a good 12+ years now.
[02:27] <xubuntu043> I have an old desktop PC running Win XP Home.  This machine was built in 2002.
[02:28] <delt> xubuntu043: if xubuntu doesn't run smoothly on it, you could take a look at "lubuntu"
[02:28] <delt> !lubuntu | xubuntu043
[02:29] <delt> it's even lighter and less resource-hungry than xubuntu
[02:29] <xubuntu043> go with lubuntu vs xubuntu?
[02:29] <xubuntu043> great -- thank you!
[02:29] <delt> you could try both =) depends what you want to do with the machine.
[02:29] <xubuntu043> work well with GNUcash?
[02:29] <delt> gnucash?
[02:29] <xubuntu043> basically a workhorse desktop.
[02:29] <xubuntu043> yes.
[02:30] <delt> yeah, i see gnucash in the repositories
[02:30] <xubuntu043> home finance software, productivity software (i.e. open office), internet browsing.  not much more I can do with this desktop.
[02:30] <delt> so that means you can install it from any ubuntu-based linux system
[02:31] <delt> directly from the same ubuntu repos
[02:31] <flan_suse> XF86Sleep doesn't work on 14.04.
[02:31] <delt> there's also ubuntu studio, if you want tons of apps for audio production, video editing, etc etc.
[02:32] <delt> but you could install most of those apps from another distribution anyways.
[02:32] <flan_suse> Whether I set it to suspend or open the calculator, XF86Sleep has no effect. Even though it registers as an input / event.
[02:32] <xubuntu043> I had found this resource and installed/tried xubuntu on a flashdrive...got a black screen after selecting "try before you install."
[02:32] <xubuntu043> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/01/preparing-your-disks-for-installing.html
[02:33] <delt> xubuntu043: to dual boot it's usually a lot easier if windows is already installed first, then you install another OS
[02:34] <xubuntu043> windows is on the desktop.
[02:34] <delt> because when you install any version of windows, it grabs control of the master boot record and pretends it's the only "OS" in existence.
[02:34] <xubuntu043> will need to partition the drive before an install, but wanted to see if it could use the current hardware resources first.
[02:34] <delt> yeah, you can easily do that from the ubuntu install
[02:34] <xubuntu043> sweet.
[02:35] <delt> there's a more advanced partition tool also, that comes on the install
[02:35] <xubuntu043> and that's with the lubuntu ISO?
[02:35] <delt> anyway i'm off to bed.. good night everyone
[02:35] <delt> yeah also
[02:35] <xubuntu043> thank you delt.  'night!
[02:35] <delt> it's basically the same installer
[02:35] <delt> good night!
[02:35] <xubuntu043> ok cool.  wish me luck.  :-)
[02:36] <flan_suse> Anyone get XF86Sleep to work on 14.04?
[02:36] <xubuntu043> if you're still here, last question:
[02:36] <xubuntu043> my video card is a PCI slot card (mobo doesn't have a AGP slot).
[02:36] <xubuntu043> will lubuntu catch that natively?
[03:28] <kupo_> hello folks. is it safe to get rid of thunar and just use pcman?
[03:28] <holstein> kupo_: why get rid? why not just use pcman?
[03:29] <kupo_> figure not using. why have it. if it's a big issue and would destroy my menu or panel. no biggie
[03:29] <holstein> kupo_: why get rid of it? the few mb's of space?
[03:29] <holstein> kupo_: if you want to get rid of it, you can.. i wouldnt though, it will likely pull out more than you think
[03:30] <cfhowlett> kupo_ agreed.  keep it, don't delete it.
[03:30] <holstein> kupo_: and, you literally get a small-ish chunk of a larger disk back
[03:30] <kupo_> ok. i won't. not trying to mess system up right now. already done two fresh installs past day or so heh
[03:48] <james0r> I don't really get why the indicator plugin is needed.
[03:49] <james0r> I'm guessing it's to offer the same kind of tray integration as is on Unity? seems to have drawbacks though like not being able to hover for tooltips
[03:50] <james0r> and accessing Skype is 2 clicks instead of one. maybe it's more comfortable if you're coming from Unity though.
[03:50] <kupo_> you can hide certain indicators or remove it though
[03:51] <james0r> yeah i removed it entirely. i gave it a try but couldnt figure out why i would need it
[03:52] <b4tm4n> what is the proper way to make ip rules and ip routes persistent in xubuntu?  I've been trying to use iptables-save and iptables-restore, but it doesn't appear that my routes or rules are persisting using this method.
[04:08] <CyborgCygnus> Back, asked a question but had to leave for an appointment. I installed xubuntu 14.04 dual boot with Windows, but right at the end the grub installation failed. To even get xubuntu on the same drive as Windows I had to custom partition it as it was hidden from the first menu. I told it to put the bootloader on the same partition as the windows one & xubuntu on a new partition. What are my options for fixing this?
[04:10] <henry_> my indicator plugin is displaying the menubar for the active window, causing constant crashing of the indicator plugin
[04:11] <henry_> any idea how i can fix this?
[04:14] <henry_> CyborgCygnus, i would just re-install xubuntu,
[04:14] <CyborgCygnus> henry_, I tried that, same problem
[04:15] <henry_> boot-repair wont install so i dont know
[04:15] <CyborgCygnus> henry_, I ran a boot repair from the live usb
[04:15] <henry_> well you can manually install boot repair but that could be harmful
[04:15] <CyborgCygnus> henry_, It didn't pick up the xubuntu on the SSD partition
[04:16] <henry_> open gparted b4 trying to install. delete everything but windows and start over?
[04:16] <CyborgCygnus> henry_, Would reinstalling with a seperate partition for the grub work?
[04:16] <henry_> install grub to disk, not partition
[04:17] <CyborgCygnus> henry_, I don't know, I'll try another reinstall
[04:18] <henry_> sda = disk whereas sda1 = partition
[04:18] <henry_> My indicator plugin is displaying the menubar for the active window, causing constant crashing of the indicator plugin. Any idea how i can fix this?
[04:20] <henry_> eg: having xchat as the active window casues a crash loop unless i choose to remove the plugin
[04:46] <abhra> could anybody provide any idea to solve the problem of huawei e355 usb modem with xubuntu 14.04? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1309054
[04:51] <bazhang> abhra, keep to the one channel, dont crosspost
[04:54] <abhra> bazhang, very well. i will wait for the answer in this channel then.
[04:56] <mapp> hey abhra cant help ut have you tried the ubuntuforums
[04:56] <mapp> often very useful
[04:59] <abhra> mapp, not for 14.04. upto 13.04 it worked by default. in 13.10, there was a solution proposed in a german ubuntu users forum. they basically deactivated the changes made in the cdc_ncm part of the kernel; the changes made post 3.8 series. their hypothesis was that the modemmanager was not showing the changes made in the kernel.
[05:01] <mapp> ah
[05:02] <LiquidRain> do-release-upgrade is not finding xubuntu 14.04
[05:02] <LiquidRain> how can I upgrade in-place?
[05:02] <mapp> what is it on now
[05:03] <LiquidRain> 13.10
[05:04] <mapp> whats the actual error
[05:04] <LiquidRain> "No new release found"
[05:04] <LiquidRain> Could be my mirror is slow
[05:07] <abhra> mapp, modem manager is not showing the ethernet-over-usb at all. wifi hotspot is available but not the wired connection.
[05:07] <LiquidRain> I had to change the software update settings to notify me of any new release
[05:07] <LiquidRain> It was set to "only long term versions".
[05:07] <LiquidRain> Isn't 14.04 an LTS?
[05:08] <abhra> mapp, modem manager should show "wired connection" and one wifi hotspot. but it is only showing the hotspot,not the "wired connection" part
[05:11] <henry_> LiquidRain, sudo update-manager -d
[05:11] <henry_> it wont give you the option until 14.04.1
[05:11] <LiquidRain> henry_: same problem, it always told me "no new release found."  setting update manager to notify me of any new release fixed it.
[05:12] <henry_> well thats how i did it
[05:14] <henry_> because you wont be given the option untill 14.04.1
[05:15] <LiquidRain> OK.  Well I upgraded anyway. :)
[09:47] <bragamob> hello,I'm having a problem installing xubuntu in a hp machine.... I had installed it like I did in this machine (packard Bell), but when I start it it stays black with an underscore blinking....
[09:47] <bragamob> is this normal... or you know a way to change it!
[09:48] <bragamob> thanks in advance
[09:54] <bekks> !nomodeset | bragamob
[09:58] <CyborgCygnus> Well after 3 install attempts the 3rd was the lucky charm for xubuntu dual booting on a ssd with windows. Holy flipping sock ducks is it quick on the SSD compared to the 500gb hdd
[10:47] <alita> hi, i installed today Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. As before i wanted to use synapse as launcher. after: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:synapse-core/ppa sudo apt-get update i get: http://ppa.launchpad.net/synapse-core/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found is there still a good way i can install synapse? thank you for reading this.
[10:48] <nlsthzn> yes you can... I installed it via a deb... one moment I see if I can find the link :)
[10:48] <nlsthzn> I am sure there are others but this is what I installed from - https://code.launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/testing/+build/5907622
[10:49] <nlsthzn> works fine for me
[10:49] <alita> thank you!
[10:49]  * nlsthzn is not sure if there is a better way
[10:49] <ts14ic> He-e-e-ello ^ )
[10:50] <alita> iis this only for 64 bit systems?
[10:51] <nlsthzn> ah yes I have a 64-bit system... let me have a look for 32-bit...
[10:51] <ts14ic> I have this small problem, when whisker menu button get's dark black, when you drag items from taskbar oO . Disabling the labels in taskbar is a workaround.., which I don't like : ) . Is there any other way? Xubuntu 14.04 Thanks : )
[10:52] <nlsthzn> alita, https://launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/testing/+files/synapse-dbg_0.2.99%7Ebzr520%2Bi18n%2B518%7Eubuntu14.04.1_i386.deb
[10:52] <nlsthzn> sorry wrong one
[10:52] <alita> i think i found it. https://launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/testing/+sourcepub/4084987/+listing-archive-extra
[10:52] <nlsthzn> alita, https://launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/testing/+files/synapse_0.2.99%7Ebzr520%2Bi18n%2B518%7Eubuntu14.04.1_i386.deb
[10:52] <nlsthzn> that should work
[10:53] <alita> thx a lot!
[10:53] <nlsthzn> no worries , pity the official ppa doesn't work for 14.04
[10:55] <alita> yes, since i started using synapse i cannot imagine using xubuntu without it
[10:55] <brainwash> ts14ic: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10656
[10:56]  * nlsthzn also got whisker to work with superkey so synapse has a partner in crime now :)
[10:56] <ts14ic> brainwash, gosh. I knew this bug since 12.04 oO ... If feels so at least oO.
[10:59] <ts14ic> brainwash, i mean. I already moved the panel to the top, because sound applet is misplaced because of the mpris2 stuff. And now... The two panel scheme? Again : )
[11:01] <ts14ic> brainwash, thanks.
[11:51] <star_prone> hi!
[11:52] <star_prone> I have upgraded my xubuntu installation from 13.04 to 14.04 but now my aptana stops w/o an error message
[11:53] <star_prone> when it first stopped, I had an error message with something related to java jvm
[11:53] <star_prone> but now it stops without any message
[11:53] <star_prone> did anyone else had this problem?
[11:54] <MopsieUK> Hi,  I thought I would ask here first.  I have just done a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04.   I want to add AboutMe to the MenuLauncher under System.  I have gone to the MenuLibre menu editor, but can't figure out how to show the menu items
[11:54] <MopsieUK> Does anyone have an idea?
[11:56] <bluesabre> MopsieUK: remove all the categories from "About Me" except "System".  This should move it from the System Settings to the System menu
[11:57] <bluesabre> (you may have to add "System" yourself)
[12:00] <MopsieUK> mmm.  I have done that and but its still not appearing in the menu.
[12:04] <bluesabre> so, like this? http://imagebin.org/306954
[12:05] <bluesabre> I'm heading out the door now, hopefully somebody else can give you a hand.
[12:06] <MopsieUK> Thanks Bluesabre.  For some reason I have to logout first
[12:06] <MopsieUK> but its working now
[12:06] <MopsieUK> :-)
[12:31] <xubuntu222> Hi. Anyone here?
[12:31] <nlsthzn> !ask
[12:32] <xubuntu222> I've got the problem, that skype is not minimized to systray in Xubuntu 14.04, anymore.
[12:32] <xubuntu222> is there anyone experiencing the same problem?
[13:29] <xubuntu307> Hi. New Xubuntu user here. Just installed 14.04 a couple of days ago. I changed my desktop wallpaper to an image in another folder using the settings GUI and now things are weird. The image has reverted to a default and I can't change it. Also right-clicking on the desktop no longer pulls up any sort of menu.
[13:33] <ochosi> xubuntu770: sounds like xfdesktop crashed
[13:33] <ochosi> err
[13:33] <ochosi> srry
[13:33] <ochosi> wrong nick
[13:33] <ochosi> xubuntu307: sounds like xfdesktop crashed
[13:34] <ochosi> what happens when you bring up the settings dialog?
[13:35] <christoffer> anyone here that knows where I can specify number of workspace rows?
[13:35] <christoffer> in Xubuntu 14.04
[13:35] <christoffer> I can't find the setting after re-install
[13:36] <xubuntu307> Ha. No worries "Xubuntu07" isn't exactly catchy. The settings GUI seems normal. I can select wallpapers, folders for wallpapers, etc. but there's no change when selected.
[13:36] <ochosi> christoffer: settings manager > workspaces
[13:36] <knome> hey christoffer :)
[13:36] <christoffer> ochosi, yea, I only have "number of workspaces" and workspace names there
[13:36] <ochosi> xubuntu307: what about running "ps -A | grep xfdesktop" in the terminal
[13:37] <christoffer> knome, hi, how are you?
[13:37] <xubuntu307> Just a sec...
[13:39] <xubuntu770> Help!
[13:39] <xubuntu307> doesn't seem to be doing anything whatsoever
[13:39] <knome> xubuntu307, what's up?
[13:40] <holstein> xubuntu770: just ask if you have a question, and a volunteer may be able to help
[13:41] <xubuntu770> I think I have really messed up my installation of Xubuntu - it was all going quite well, until I tried to sort out the home network.  I now have a core2 machine running 14.04 64bit, and an older machine running 32 bit, but they will not share folders or files.  I think my error was to delete Samba in an attempt to remove a windows network.  Somehow I have now got an inconsistency between my /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname fi
[13:41] <xubuntu770> les, and I still can't share folders or files!!!
[13:41] <elfy> christoffer: right click on the workspaces plugin - you can set rows there
[13:41] <elfy> properties ...
[13:42] <knome> christoffer, fine, still recovering from the release :)
[13:42] <christoffer> elfy, workspace plugin?
[13:42] <xubuntu307> not much, Knome. Changed my wallpaper to an image in a differnet folder. Now the desktop is acting up. Can't change the image even though the settings mamger seems normal and right-clicking the desktop no longer pulls up a menu.
[13:43] <ochosi> xubuntu307: please try to run "xfdesktop" from the terminal then
[13:44] <elfy> christoffer: if you want workspaces in more than 1 row - the option to change it is actually in the workspaces switcher on the panel
[13:45] <mpmc> Hey folks, where can I get different themes for xfce?
[13:46] <star_prone> I have upgraded my xubuntu installation from 13.04 to 14.04 but now my aptana stops w/o an error message
[13:46] <star_prone> but now it stops without any message
[13:46] <star_prone> did anyone else had this problem?
[13:46] <holstein> mpmc: http://xfce-look.org/ and many other places
[13:46] <knome> star_prone, what is "aptana"?
[13:46] <star_prone> an ide for php
[13:47] <knome> star_prone, where did you install it from?
[13:47] <star_prone> aptana.org I think
[13:47] <knome> star_prone, ok, ask their support
[13:47] <xubuntu307> @Ochosi: That did it. Thank you. I guess I'll move my wallpaper images to the default backdrop folder for the time being just to be safe.
[13:48] <star_prone> I can't remember exactly, this happened an year ago
[13:48] <star_prone> ohhh you genius... thanks for support
[13:48] <knome> star_prone, we can't guarantee packages that aren't installed by default work, let alone packages aren't in the repositories
[13:48] <christoffer> elfy, thanks. If I right click the workspaces in the panel I get the "settings > workspaces" but the "number of rows" only exists if I press the "workspace settings" from within the panel settings.
[13:48] <knome> star_prone, good luck
[13:48] <xubuntu307> at least until I figure out why/if changing it caused the crash
[13:48] <star_prone> thanks
[13:49] <star_prone> although java it is in the default repository
[13:49] <ochosi> xubuntu307: there should be no need to do that
[13:49] <christoffer> knome, aha I see. You always need some recovery time after meeting some deadline.
[13:49] <knome> star_prone, i would bet the issue is generated by aptana, not java; otherwise all other java applications would be broken as well
[13:49] <christoffer> I'm currently starting to get a bit stressed with my master thesis but I think I will be able to finish it in a few weeks
[13:50] <ochosi> xubuntu307: you can go to settings manager > session and startup > session and make sure "xfdesktop" is there
[13:50] <ochosi> xubuntu307: then it should get autospawned, should it die again
[13:50] <knome> christoffer, good luck! :)
[13:50] <knome> christoffer, and any plans after that?
[13:50] <star_prone> knome: you're probably right, don't know what to say about it
[13:51] <christoffer> knome, yea, starting to work for a Norwegian company but still in Sweden ;) ...starting the 1st of september
[13:51] <star_prone> knome: apart from the fact that it worked until 3-4 hours ago when I did the upgrade and that the only error was java related
[13:51] <elfy> christoffer: you don't see Properties in the right click menu?
[13:52] <xubuntu555> help
[13:52] <xubuntu307> okay, in that case I'll leave well-enough alone. At least I know how to restart it now. Xfdesktop isn't in my startup list, just the Xfsettingsd daemon. I'll add it now.
[13:53] <christoffer> elfy, aha, my mistake ...assumed "properties" was "workspace settings" but I have them both in the right-click menu
[13:53] <holstein> xubuntu555: just ask if you have a question , and maybe a volunteer will be able to assist..
[13:53] <elfy> christoffer: :)
[13:53] <xubuntu555> after the update skype is not showing in the systray, anymore. any trick to make it reappear?
[13:55] <holstein> xubuntu555: you can always try asking the skype team to address it
[13:55] <xubuntu555> thet's true. thanks, anyway.
[14:07] <xubuntu290> hola ayuda porfavor
[14:09] <xubuntu290> instale la vercion 14.04 de xubuntu , pero al reproducir las peliculas se ven de color verde
[14:10] <GridCube> !es
[14:10] <GridCube> xubuntu290, si no sabes inglés pasate a #ubuntu-es y te explico
[14:10] <xubuntu290> dode pongo eso
[14:10] <GridCube> donde estas escribiendo
[14:11] <GridCube> /j #ubuntu-es
[14:11] <xubuntu290>  ok
[14:46] <Vyrlokar> Hello everyone
[14:48] <Vyrlokar> I do have an NVidia Optimus laptop that I'm trying to install xubuntu to, using nvidia prime. I perform the install with nomodeset as I did with previous versions of Ubuntu, but after enabling the privative nvidia driver, I reboot withnout nomodeset and it black screens
[14:49] <Vyrlokar> It's a clean install. nVidia prime was installed automatically
[14:51] <Vyrlokar> I would prefer to use nVidia Prime instead of Bumblebee that I used before, as I understand that it should be officially supported, instead of being hackish like Bumblebee is
[14:52] <star_prone> knome: this is the error that causes my application to crash: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7307587/
[14:52] <star_prone> in case this is related to the upgrade
[15:00] <fballs> Vyrlokar, you enabled nomodeset in grub?
[15:03] <star_prone> does the upgrade to 14.04 changes something related to java?
[15:05] <fballs> star_prone, did you try updating/reinstalling java?
[15:07] <star_prone> fballs: no, I was waiting for competent suggestions
[15:08] <star_prone> should I update/reinstall open java or the java distribution from oracle?
[15:08] <knome> star_prone, no, it isn't
[15:08] <knome> star_prone, it's possible that it's a version mismatch, but we still can't take the responsibility for non-default, not in repository applications breaking
[15:09] <knome> star_prone, did you ask for support from the application developers?
[15:10] <Vyrlokar> fballs: with nomodeset, the laptop boots in low graphics mode, I used that to install. However, after installing the nVidia driver via additional drivers, I edit the grub command line to remove nomodeset, and it back screens. I can continue booting with nomodeset, but that gives me the wrong resolution, and disables the secondary screen
[15:11] <star_prone> knome: do you think I just want to waste your time? of course I have asked for support even before I wrote here. I respect your time as much as I would like others to respect mine.
[15:11] <knome> star_prone, i don't, but there is not much we can do about it
[15:12] <star_prone> knome: it's not about that, but about making the problem known to the world in case the write person hears about it
[15:12] <star_prone> another thing
[15:13] <star_prone> is it a good idea to install java from oracle and uninstall open java
[15:13] <star_prone> someone suggested that
[15:13] <cfhowlett> !java
[15:28] <Vyrlokar> Anyone else having issues with nVidia Prime after removing nomodeset? are hybrid graphics broken at the moment?
[16:07] <xubuntu770> to try to clarify for anyone who is willing / able to help;  I had the older machine running ubuntu 12:10 and had used samba to configure it to allow network sharing and printing.  I set up the core2 machine with Xubuntu when XP (whatever you say, it will be missed) became even riskier to use and was delighted to be able to choose which to boot into, and even more delighted to find I could run the xp machine virtually usin
[16:07] <xubuntu770> g oracle vmbox inside Xubuntu.  But I had problems with file sharing.  SO I decided to remove samba from everything, and start again, and it seems that at this point, I have somehow messed up my /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname files, as I tried to create a domain for the computers to work in.  I removed Samba, and then re-installed it, but I still have the old windows workgroups, and I do not have the option to "share" when I
[16:07] <xubuntu770>  right-click a folder or file.  And, every time I try to use a sudo command, the terminal tells me it cannot resolve localhost.  So I'm pretty much stuffed, baffled, and have no clue what to do next.  things I want to sort are 1  resolve sudo issue, 2 fix hosts / localhost issue, 3 file and folder sharing between machines on same network.  Any suggestions and support would be most welcome.
[16:21] <GridCube> xubuntu770, are any of your machines using windows yet? if not then you can use a different sharing approach, like ssh
[17:02] <c3l> Does anyone else have problems with screen not lighting up on laptop after suspend. I close the lid and reopen, then it sometimes work again but I cannot change intensity.
[17:06] <ochosi> c3l: it's a known issue
[17:07] <c3l> ochosi, good, then its not just me. is there a bug filed on launchpad (or what is the bug tracking system?)
[17:07] <ochosi> yes there is
[17:07] <ochosi> we're working on it
[17:08] <ochosi> it's just a bit tricky to resolve and quite a few ppl are 1) on holidays and or 2) exhausted from the release
[17:09] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[17:09] <c3l> ochosi, aah I see. great, thank you :)
[17:09] <ochosi> no problem
[17:13] <NRDisciple> hey guys, i have a work computer running a Pentium 4 2.53Ghz .  Old Dell computer.  Geforce2GTS vid card, 2GB RAM.  Do you think Xubuntu will run fine for it?  Or should i put Lubuntu on it?
[17:13] <knome> NRDisciple, should be no problem
[17:17] <wrongplace> I need to edit a pdf to get rid of a text mark on each page. How can I do that?
[17:18] <wrongplace> on each page there is a set of letters, a name
[17:18] <wrongplace> I can select it as text
[17:18] <knome> editing a PDF file is not really a trivial task.
[17:21] <wrongplace> the forget it
[17:21] <wrongplace> n
[17:28] <NRDisciple> thanks knome
[17:28] <NRDisciple> the fun part is getting the samsung wireless printer set up :P
[17:28] <knome> you can try it on the live CD
[17:29] <knome> don't know how well samsung printers are generally supported, but good luck
[17:29] <NRDisciple> i've been researching it.. it's not a simple thing =/
[17:30] <NRDisciple> some say the open source drivers are better, some have better times with the Samsung driver
[17:30] <NRDisciple> i'll just have to play around with it
[17:31] <nhoj> I have a Brother wireless printer.  Tricky getting the printer a static ip. Simple with the xfce4 printer settings manager.
[17:32] <NRDisciple> that's good to know.  I had some issues with cups on another wireless printer we have on the network
[17:32] <nhoj> The drivers were readily available in this case.
[17:32] <NRDisciple> yeah i've d/l the official linux drivers for the printer and the open source drivers
[17:33] <NRDisciple> the computer is still on XP lol
[17:33] <NRDisciple> migrating some things.. just backed up the palm desktop info
[17:33] <NRDisciple> and all the diagnostic software is web based
[17:33] <NRDisciple> so i should be good to go
[17:38] <amigamagic> hi guys, how to automount an ntfs drive at boot? I have to change the fstab file or is there an easier way?
[17:44] <koegs> amigamagic: fstab is the way to go
[17:45] <haitham_bar> hello
[17:45] <haitham_bar> I'm stuck, my acer aspire laptop's keyboard/touchpad isn't working in any linux release, tried it in ubuntu, xubuntu, fedora, tried googling but nothing seems to help
[17:46] <amigamagic> koegs, I think so too, thanks
[17:55] <bellu> hello everybody! I have a problem with sound card: xubuntu sees my sound card just at reboot, never at boot the first time...any suggestion??
[17:56] <bellu> ...I have a notebook hp 2230s..
[17:56] <elfy> haitham_bar: it might be easier to find an issue if you told us the model
[17:57] <haitham_bar> it's acer aspire 5553G
[17:58] <haitham_bar> half year ago i was running experiments on ubuntu/xubuntu, all worked fine
[17:58] <haitham_bar> it's dead this time
[17:58] <NRDisciple> the sound card is dead?
[17:59] <elfy> NRDisciple: different user - different issue
[18:00] <elfy> haitham_bar: someone with similar issue http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1555029
[18:00] <elfy> seems a bios update/ and  or booting with acpi=off worked
[18:01] <bellu> NRDisciple: if you told to me, I say you no..
[18:02] <NRDisciple> yes elfy i know
[18:02] <NRDisciple> and bellu... what?
[18:03] <haitham_bar> woah, thanks elfy, hope it's gona work.. one last question, is it possible to flash bios from live-cd?
[18:03] <haitham_bar> im currently running on bodhi via usb-drive
[18:03] <elfy> no idea re bios I'm afraid
[18:04] <bellu> NRDisciple: excuse me, I thought you was referring to me...
[18:05] <NRDisciple> not at all
[18:05] <NRDisciple> haitham
[18:05] <NRDisciple> anyways i'll go and stop confusing people :P
[18:08] <Kolor> Hello. Was wondering if anyone could help me before I loose my mind.
[18:08] <Kolor> yesterday I updated from Xubunduto 13.10 to 14.04 (running xfce 4.10) Since the upgrade I've had some icons go missing from the notification area (namely deluge-gtk and Dropbox.)
[18:08] <Kolor> Both item are set not set to hidden in the properties (nne are), and from what I can gather I have the correct icons in the my icon theme, it has not changed anyway. Any ideas??
[18:27] <amigamagic> it's possible to change a file owner in thunar?
[18:27] <amigamagic> I can't find the option...
[18:29] <wrongplace> sudo chown
[18:30] <amigamagic> wrongplace, I know that...
[18:30] <amigamagic> I'm asking if it is possible in thunar
[18:30] <wrongplace> sudo thunar
[18:31] <amigamagic> I tried that, but there is no option to change file owner
[18:31] <Kolor> You could write a script and add as a helper app
[18:31] <amigamagic> it's so difficult to give a simple answer, like YES or NO? :D
[18:32] <nhoj> I'd go with "NO"
[18:32] <amigamagic> I would like to know just if there is a GUI approach to change a file/dir owner in thunar
[18:33] <Kolor> http://imovethings.blogspot.com/2014/04/linux-tricks-thunar-custom-actions.html
[18:35] <amigamagic> Kolor, thanks for the help, but your answer is not related to what I wanted to know (and btw, maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that with custom actions you can create a GUI to select which user do you want to assign to a file/dir)
[18:36] <elfy> afaik you'll not be able to change owner with thunar
[18:36] <Kolor> You can set a context menu item to right click > chown through it though
[18:36] <amigamagic> Kolor, yes but then you couldn't select the user for changing the ownership
[18:37] <amigamagic> elfy, from what I've seen until now, I think there isn't such an option in thunar
[18:37] <amigamagic> maybe this is another thing that should be added in the future
[18:41] <amigamagic> I love the philosophy "keep it small and simple", but not at the cost of the usability. I know that from the command line you could do ANYTHING, but in a modern workstation I would like to configure my pc as much as possible with a GUI. My PC is not a web-server or a database server a firewall, or similar things.
[18:45] <elfy> then use something else - maybe the people using it are happy and don't want everything changed
[18:47] <amigamagic> I don't want to use something else, I will improve what I'm using now until I'm satisfied
[18:47] <amigamagic> because it's funny :D
[18:50]  * amigamagic is rebooting is PC after changing the fstab and chowned some dir, hoping its PC will not implode
[18:50] <nhoj> oy!
[18:54]  * amigamagic is not imploded (yet...)
[18:55] <amigamagic> ok, I added my secondary ntfs hdd to the fstab and chowned its mount point, so that only I could access to that drive
[18:56] <amigamagic> it's strange... Everything worked on the first attempt...
[19:00] <amigamagic> what is the name of that tool to see the disk usage in a graphical format? Like a map of the drive?
[19:01] <Pici> boabab?
[19:02] <p1ro> hi, is there any usb monitor app/service on ubuntu?
[19:02] <amigamagic> Pici, thanks, it was baobab...
[19:03] <p1ro> err xubuntu*
[19:03] <nhoj> something like lsusb perhaps?
[19:05] <p1ro> nhoj, no, something trying to access usb
[19:06] <amigamagic> plro, what exactly do yo mean? Like when you insert a pendrive?
[19:08] <p1ro> something like that
[19:08] <p1ro> ill explain
[19:10] <p1ro> im tryign to get usbjtag working but the app keeps trying to read the programmer, just keep restarting, asked on their forums, the owner told me thta can be happening by two apps trying to acces the programmer  at same time, that maybe there is a usb monitoring sotfware meesing around
[19:11] <p1ro> i try and cant find any, this is almost a fresh install
[19:17] <nhoj> plro, i looked up usbjtag -- not sure what it is.  As far as "something" accessing the device, the Filemanager might be probing to mount it.
[19:18] <nhoj> pleia2, mistaking it for a storage device.  Other usb devices like wireless or sound cards may also be probed.
[19:19] <amigamagic> maybe it should change the advanced options of thunar, related to the mounting of external devices
[19:22] <nhoj> p1ro, the lsusb might report something interestin about the device but not what is accessing it.
[19:22] <elfy> p1ro: you got a link to this thing?
[19:23] <nhoj> elfy, I just took a look at google  usbjtag ???
[19:23] <elfy> all I can find is some unsupported windows thing
[19:24] <nhoj> connects to a JTAG scan
[19:24] <p1ro> nhoj, tells me what is the device and its conected
[19:25] <p1ro> elfy, link to what?
[19:25] <nhoj> http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_a_USB_JTAG_do?#slide=2
[19:26] <nhoj> p1ro, we don't seem to know anything about the device.  A web link would help.
[19:32] <xubuntu770> Gridcube
[19:32] <xubuntu770> thanks for your reply - yes, I do have windows machines on my network
[19:35] <p1ro> http://usbjtag.com/
[19:37] <nhoj> USB JTAG is Windows based EJTAG tool for all MIPS core CPU.
[19:38] <elfy> p1ro: I think you'll be best trying to get help on their forums
[19:40] <nhoj> p1ro, /join #usbjtag
[19:46] <amigamagic> I don't know if it happens to others, but on my workstation with an intel graphics board integrated in the CPU, the "square" that you should see when you move an icon on the desktop, is near invisible...
[19:47] <amigamagic> * near=nearly
[19:47] <nhoj> intel G41 looks OK here
[19:48] <flan_suse> Anyone able to suspend with the XF86Sleep keyboard shortcut?
[19:48] <flan_suse> E.g, Fn + F11
[19:48] <amigamagic> sometimes I see only a vertical line on the left of the icon, other times I don't see anything around it
[19:49] <p1ro> elfy, yes im trying treir forums
[19:49] <p1ro> i wanted to clarified that there shoulnt be anything messing with the usb
[19:51] <amigamagic> sysinfo detect an "Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])" but my cpu definitely is not a Xeon processor... :D
[19:52] <counter> hi, since I upgraded to 14 .04, I get some errors with with gedit, that the file .config/dconf/user Permission denied
[19:52] <nhoj> amigamagic, lscpu lspci  maybe
[19:53] <amigamagic> nhoj, it gives to me info on the cpu, not the gpu
[19:53] <counter> I changed the owner once from root to my mine, but now the owner is root again ...
[19:54] <counter> is gedit over writing the file maybe with "sudo gedit .."
[19:54] <amigamagic> counter,  you changed the owner of what?
[19:54] <nhoj> amigamagic, lspci here "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[19:54] <nhoj> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[19:55] <pjotter> The new Tahr... can it be trusted?
[19:55] <counter> "(gedit:21665): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._g_2dfile_2derror_2dquark.Code2: Cannot open dconf database: Failed to open file '/home/counter/.config/dconf/user': Permission denied"
[19:55] <amigamagic> nhoj, to me that command don't tell anything on the display controller
[19:55] <counter> the user file is root, I do not know why, this happens first time after the upgrade to 14.04
[19:56] <amigamagic> nhoj, maybe it's because my gpu is integrated in the cpu
[19:56] <counter> I changed the owner to my user back, but now the owner is root again ...
[19:57] <counter> from the .config/dconf/user  file
[19:57] <elfy> try either installing gksu and setting it up - or sudo -i and then running gedit then
[19:58] <elfy> or of course you could use a cli editor instead
[19:59] <counter> elfy: do you mean me?
[19:59] <elfy> yes sorry counter I did mean you
[20:04] <counter> ok, so gedit overwrite the user file, but this seems to be new
[20:07] <counter> if I use "sudo -i" I can not save the gedit config?
[20:07] <nhoj> amigamagic, have you tried sudo lshw?
[20:09] <amigamagic> nhoj, from that command I have: -display      description: VGA compatible controller      product: Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
[20:09] <nhoj> amigamagic, lscpu tells you the correct cpu ?
[20:10] <elfy> counter: running gui apps with sudo can sometimes cause issues - I install gksu, run gksu-properties and set that to sudo and use gksudo to run gui apps
[20:11] <amigamagic> nhoj, lshw gives to me the correct CPU name
[20:11] <drc_> Installed 14.04, no 3d Party codecs (don't ask, it won't install with that option checked)  What is the current method for installing the codecs that that option would install (if I could :) )
[20:11] <counter> ok, thanks, I try
[20:11] <amigamagic> lscpu tells only that I have a Genuine Intel CPU
[20:11] <elfy> drc_: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:11] <drc_> danke elfy
[20:11] <nhoj> amigamagic, well looks like you have genuine Xeon GPU along for the ride eh. :)
[20:12] <drc_> guess it hasn't changed in a while
[20:12] <elfy> :)
[20:12] <amigamagic> but lshw identify correctly the CPU as a Pentium G3220
[20:12] <elfy> drc_: I sometimes need to get other ones
[20:12] <amigamagic> older kernels identified my GPU as an Intel Haswell or Haskell or something like that
[20:13] <drc_> Well, so far that option has always been all I needed (in the past, that is)
[20:13] <elfy> I use clementine - sometimes need some ffmpeg thing
[20:14] <amigamagic> anyway, OpenGL applications work. It's only that grid of the desktop that is broken with current intel drivers
[20:14] <nhoj> amigamagic, perhaps sysinfo is not up-to-date for the job
[20:14] <drc_> At least I can install xubuntu now...haven't been able to with any of the 14's and had a hard time with the 13's :(
[20:15] <nhoj> amigamagic, if you turn the compositor off in window manager tweaks does the problem go away?
[20:15] <elfy> drc_: good :)
[20:15] <amigamagic> nhoj, yes
[20:15] <amigamagic> with compositor off, I see correctly the grid under the icons when I move them
[20:16] <drc_> elfy: Thanks again
[20:16] <amigamagic> but I don't want to loose the shadows under the windows... :-(
[20:17] <amigamagic> and the transparent effects...
[20:17] <nhoj> amigamagic, xfce4 compositor and intell graphics seem to not get along very well
[20:17] <nhoj> amigamagic, :(
[20:17] <amigamagic> nhoj, maybe I should try to compile last intel drivers
[20:17] <amigamagic> (if they exist)
[20:18] <nhoj> amigamagic, I am convinced that you will try everything you can think of -- carpe diem!
[20:19] <nhoj> Flucht nach vorne
[20:20] <amigamagic> nhoj anyway many thanks for your support ;)
[20:21] <rnz> Hello! Anybody known how to disable rewriting /etc/X11/xorg.conf in 14.04 ?   When start X (lightdm) xorg.conf moved to xorg.conf.<date> and generated new xorg.conf with basic device sections.
[20:21] <amigamagic> nhoj, as you have suspected, I'm easily bothered by small insignificant details... :D
[20:22] <nhoj> enjoy!
[20:33] <p1ro> hi, im trying to disable xubuntu for asking password everytime monitor goes standby, with no luck?
[20:34] <nhoj> p1ro, what have you tried?  Settings manager -> lightlocker ?
[20:34] <xubuntu602> can someone help me with a software center problem
[20:35] <elfy> !ask ! xubuntu602
[20:35] <elfy> sigh
[20:35] <elfy> !ask | xubuntu602
[20:35] <p1ro> xubuntu602, ill recommend get synaptic sudo apt-get install synaptic
[20:36] <p1ro> nhoj, there i have never blank monitor or anything, but it was enable ill just have disable it
[20:37] <xubuntu602> is synaptic like software center?
[20:37] <p1ro> xubuntu602, yes
[20:37] <xubuntu602> ok
[20:37] <p1ro> btw why is xubuntu-es invite only?
[20:37] <p1ro> xubuntu602, but you soulhd say what is your problem with sotfware center
[20:38] <xubuntu602> it simply will not function. it will open but the window remains in a blank loading state
[20:39] <nhoj> p1ro, I have Enable light-locker "ON" with Auto lock the session "Never".  I wonder if you have to log and a back in to get the setting?
[20:39] <p1ro> xubuntu602, how long have you waited?
[20:39] <xubuntu602> at least 10 min
[20:39] <nhoj> p1ro, log out and back in
[20:40] <p1ro> nhoj, let me check
[20:40] <p1ro> xubuntu602, well you can update with command then check ubuntu sotfware center
[20:40] <p1ro> maybe there is something wrong
[20:40] <p1ro> sudo apt-get update
[20:40] <nhoj> xubuntu602, Just try to describe your problem with Software Center.
[20:41] <xubuntu602> it opens a blank window and locks in a loading state
[20:42] <p1ro> nhoj, well everything is off there now
[20:43] <p1ro> btw what could be best driver for a old ati x200 (pc)
[20:43] <p1ro> i know is no longer suported by ati drivers
[20:43] <xubuntu602> plro, i ran the update as you suggested but i still face the problem
[20:45] <xubuntu602> do you have another suggestion?
[20:48] <keeper_19_86> I don't have a real issue, but i'd be very interested in what this "reactivate HP LaserJet 1018/1020 after reloading"-"Program" (preinstalled on every xubuntu 14.04) is all about ...
[20:48] <nhoj> xubuntu602, well, you could try sudo apt-get install --reinstall software-center (as there are no other suggestions --can't hurt)
[20:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> p1ro, I would just use the open source drivers for the x200
[20:49] <keeper_19_86> i googled it, but couldnt find a good answer
[20:49] <xubuntu602> nhoj,i'll do just about anything at this point, i've had this problem for months now
[20:50] <nhoj> xubuntu602, lsb_release -a please
[20:50] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i don't understand
[20:51] <nhoj> xubuntu602, run 'lsb_release -a'  as you said you had this problem for months -- what system are you running?
[20:52] <elfy> xubuntu602: open a terminal and then run this command software-center - then when it has finished trying to run - copy and paste the whole output to paste.ubuntu.com and then paste - give us the url you end up with
[20:53] <xubuntu602> nhoj, by system are you refering to the computer or the OS?
[20:53] <nhoj> xubuntu602, os
[20:53] <xubuntu602> nhoj, 13.10
[20:54] <nhoj> elfy, not clear is the command 'command software-center' ?
[20:55] <p1ro> Poisoned_Dragon, well i tried edgers but i read ati ones was old also dont even install with update
[20:55] <elfy> software-center so that it runs in a terminal and will get more useful info than it doesn't work :)
[20:55] <p1ro> xubuntu602, did you installed synaptic? also try to run ubuntu sotfware center as root
[20:55] <nhoj> xubuntu602, oh, elfy wants you to run 'software center' in a terminal
[20:56] <p1ro> maybe it wating for root and not asking
[20:56] <xubuntu602> plro, yes, although i have yet to open it.
[20:56] <nhoj> xubuntu602, then when it has finished trying to run - copy and paste the whole output to paste.ubuntu.com and then paste - give us the url you end up with
[20:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> sometimes, the autodetect gets iffy, p1ro. So, you may have to make a conf file in your /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ to make sure it loads the radeon drivers right.
[20:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've had to do that for some intel chips too.
[20:57] <p1ro> let me check what is in my xconf
[20:57] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i understood what he was asking me to do but not the instructions following that, i just chose not to respond to him
[20:57] <p1ro> xubuntu602, ???? why you wont respond some1 who is trying to help you ?
[20:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> No no... it's not an xorg.conf file. It's a conf file placed in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[20:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Unless you have ATI or Nvidia drivers, there is no xorg.conf.
[20:58] <louigi> Guys, installed another kernel, but when rebooting, grub does not display and does not let me choose which kernel to load. What should I do to fix the situation?
[20:58] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you ran the program in the terminal, correct?
[20:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> when you reboot, you have to press shift just after the bios logo disappears.
[20:58] <p1ro> Poisoned_Dragon, ahh ok, how i can know what driver is loading ?
[20:59] <p1ro> i have hardware acceleration for sure but dont know wich ones, i mean i dont know if it is edgers or the ones who come with xubuntu
[20:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> If it's x200, there is no current ATI driver for it. So, it should be ati/radeon. But, without the conf file, it may not be loading it in a way that loads the glx rendering driver.
[21:00] <p1ro> xubuntu602, did you run sotfware center as root ? or with sudo ?
[21:01] <nhoj> xubuntu602, when the screen stops filling with text, please and copy the data.  Open paste.ubuntu.com and paste the data there.  Then copy the url from your brower and paste it here.
[21:02] <p1ro> Poisoned_Dragon, well glxgears looks fine  with sync and 400 without sync
[21:02] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i'm having diffucilty copying the whole set of text after the command, the terminal is preventing me from scrooling up
[21:02] <nhoj> p1ro, don't get him more confused -- one of us at a time is bad enough eh :)
[21:03] <p1ro> nhoj, haha ok sorry my bad
[21:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> Slol
[21:03] <xubuntu602> plro, i'm unsure as how to run in root. i believe that runnung in sudo means to run it in the terminal, right?
[21:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, what's the driver issue, p1ro?
[21:03] <nhoj> xubuntu602, open a fresh terminal, then select Edit and Select all.
[21:03] <p1ro> Poisoned_Dragon, not issues, just wanted to know what could be best driver and how ill can check what driver is loading right now
[21:04] <xubuntu602> nhjo, do i need to run the command again?
[21:04] <nhoj> yes
[21:04] <Pici> 70
[21:04] <xubuntu602> sorry, nhoj
[21:04] <xubuntu602> ok
[21:05] <nhoj> go for it
[21:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh! ok. Sorry, p1ro. That's as good as it's going to get.
[21:06] <p1ro> hahahah <·
[21:06] <p1ro> hahahah <3
[21:06] <p1ro> i know i cant expect much from this, but how ill can check what driver X is loading ?
[21:06] <p1ro> if it edgers or the originals
[21:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> Short of getting an HD5k or better, it's radeon open drivers.
[21:07] <p1ro> HD5k?
[21:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use to know... I think it's glxinfo
[21:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yeah, HD5000 series radeon cards.
[21:07] <xubuntu602> nhoj, now that i have it copied, what do i do with it
[21:07] <nhoj> xubuntu602, when the screen stops filling with text, please and copy the data.  Open paste.ubuntu.com and paste the data there.  Then copy the url from your brower and paste it here.
[21:08] <keeper_19_86> Does anybody here know what this "reactivate HP LaserJet 1018/1020 after reloading"-Program (preinstalled on every xubuntu 14.04) is all about?
[21:08] <p1ro> Poisoned_Dragon, well im kinda poor right now, and here vid cards are too expensive for me right now
[21:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh, wait...glxinfo won't tell you which driver is loaded.
[21:08] <p1ro> so im stuck with this one
[21:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> I understand, p1ro.
[21:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's not a terrible card, just not nearly new enough for AMD to care.
[21:09] <xubuntu602> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7309946/
[21:09] <p1ro> just trying to get best of it, i dont really care how fast it cant run (i dont play video games on this pc) but i wanna it to be stable, something things become really slow i had to restart
[21:10] <nhoj> xubuntu602, well done.  Now state your problem here  again and include the url (save ii someplace too)
[21:11] <p1ro> yeah is waiting for something, but i dont know what :D
[21:14] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you said "it simply will not function. it will open but the window remains in a blank loading state" -- remember?
[21:15] <xubuntu602> nhoj, yes
[21:15] <nhoj> xubuntu602, repeat that and add the url http://paste.ubuntu.com/7309946/
[21:16] <p1ro> well Poisoned_Dragon and nhoj thanks for the help
[21:16] <nhoj> k001
[21:16] <p1ro> ill add this and hang out :D anythign i could help
[21:16] <xubuntu602> i need help with a problem with the software center. when i open it it simply will not function. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7309946/
[21:16] <xubuntu602> nhoj, how's that
[21:17] <nhoj> fine, now wait for a big fish to take a bite.  If not try again later.
[21:17] <nhoj> xubuntu602, that is why I wanted you to save the url.
[21:18] <xubuntu602> nhoj, right
[21:19] <nhoj> xubuntu602, it is beyond my knowledge to interpret it. :(
[21:19] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i hear you
[21:20] <damiank> has anyone seen the atom editor by github?
[21:21] <Nizumzen> damiank: seen the website - saw no reason to use it in favour of something like emacs or vim though
[21:21] <damiank> Nizumzen: thats why i asked
[21:21] <damiank> people is talking about it but i only saw it on mac..
[21:22] <damiank> you say i should stick to vim?
[21:22] <xubuntu602> nhoj, in the mean time, how do you work synaptic
[21:22] <Nizumzen> damiank: I would
[21:22] <damiank> ok, i'll take your word :)
[21:22] <Nizumzen> well GVim rather than Vim (personally preference)
[21:22] <damiank> i have gvim too
[21:22] <nhoj> xubuntu602, apt-get install synaptic  and then take a look
[21:23] <damiank> i use it too, but i was looking for other open source editors too
[21:23] <damiank> id like to get vim render on screen like sublime for eg. :)
[21:23] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i installed it when plro suggested that i should, but i hav no idea how to use it
[21:24] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you should find in the System menu on 13.10
[21:24] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i know how to open but how to operate it
[21:27] <nhoj> xubuntu602, well you can search for a package name and use a mouse to select installation or remove. Also select Reload and Mark All Upgrades and Apply -- the same as apt-get update, apt-get upgrade.
[21:27] <nhoj> xubuntu602, it is a package management tool.
[21:29] <nhoj> xubuntu602, for example, search for software center and click to select to reinstall it.  Same as apt-get install --reinstall software-center.
[21:31] <xubuntu602> nhoj, just software center or other installed packages
[21:33] <nhoj> xubuntu602, that was just an example for an upgrade and "just software center".  So, you can do both at the same time after by then selecting Apply
[21:34] <nhoj> xubuntu602, did you Reload?
[21:34] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i doesn't seem to want to let me update software-center
[21:34] <xubuntu602> or reload
[21:35] <nhoj> xubuntu602, did you authenticate with a password?
[21:35] <xubuntu602> how do i do that?
[21:36] <nhoj> it should ask you when it starts.  Start it again and see.
[21:37] <p1ro> xubuntu602, run it as root plz
[21:37] <xubuntu602> plro, how do i do that?
[21:37] <nhoj> p1ro, it should ask him to give the password
[21:37] <xubuntu602> nhoj, it did
[21:37] <nhoj> just start it from the menu in system
[21:38] <xubuntu602> nhoj, ok well that's what i did, thanks for clearing that up
[21:38] <nhoj> ok, if there is no update for software-center, then you can select to reinstall it.
[21:39] <p1ro> nhoj, but if it run as root with no problem then we know what the issue could be
[21:39] <p1ro> sotfware center save anything for user related?
[21:39] <xubuntu602> plro, you asking me
[21:39] <nhoj> There is no problem with synaptic yet p1ro
[21:40] <xubuntu602> ok it's running
[21:40] <nhoj> he is just learning how to use synaptic
[21:40] <rnz> Anybody known how to disable rewriting /etc/X11/xorg.conf in 14.04 ?   When start X (lightdm) xorg.conf moved to xorg.conf.<date> and generated new xorg.conf with basic device sections.
[21:40] <nhoj> xubuntu602, what is running?  synaptic?
[21:41] <xubuntu602> nhoj, the reinstall in synaptic
[21:41] <nhoj> p1ro, did you get rid of the locking screen?
[21:42] <xubuntu602> and it's still broken
[21:42] <nhoj> xubuntu602, now you know how to use synaptic right?
[21:42] <p1ro> nhoj, well i havent let the pc enuff time to get into stand by
[21:42] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i understand the basics
[21:42] <nhoj> yes, it was just an example -- reinstalling works infrequently.
[21:42] <p1ro> xubuntu602, what is still broken? synaptic or sotfware center
[21:43] <nhoj> software-center
[21:43] <xubuntu602> plro, the software center
[21:43] <p1ro> but synaptic is working fine ?
[21:43] <xubuntu602> yes
[21:43] <p1ro> dod you reintall it as nhoj sugested
[21:43] <xubuntu602> yep
[21:43] <p1ro> umm
[21:44] <p1ro> did you tried to run sotfware center as root ?
[21:44] <xubuntu602> yes
[21:44] <nhoj> p1ro, he ran software-center in a terminal:  see http://paste.ubuntu.com/7309946/
[21:45] <xubuntu602> nhoj, i have done both\
[21:45] <p1ro> same problem when you run ti as root ?
[21:45] <xubuntu602> yes
[21:45] <p1ro> it
[21:45] <p1ro> umm
[21:45] <p1ro> ok let me finish my lol game
[21:45] <xubuntu602> ok
[21:46] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you now have an alternative to software-center.  Enjoy.  Hopefully you will get it fixed.
[21:47] <kupo_>  // /
[21:47] <kupo_>
[21:47] <kupo_>
[21:47] <xubuntu602> nhoj, well it does have an option to install lubuntu software center, but i doubt that will work
[21:48] <kupo_> sorry. my daughter got on keyboard
[21:48] <nhoj> xubuntu602, I would hold off on that for now. You are probably right.
[21:50] <xubuntu602> there is a software updater window open that i didn't notice until now, mabye that has some hope
[21:50] <nhoj> xubuntu602, I would be tempted to try  apt-get --purge remove software center and the apt-get install software-center.
[21:51] <xubuntu602> nhoj, well i'm up for it
[21:51] <nhoj> xubuntu602, I would be tempted to try  apt-get --purge remove software-center and the apt-get install software-center.
[21:51] <p1ro> xubuntu602, sudo apt-get install --reinstall python
[21:51] <nhoj> note the correction on the second try eh
[21:51] <p1ro> and actually
[21:51] <p1ro> sudo apt-get update
[21:52] <xubuntu602> nhoj, do i do the python reinstall before or after the purge?
[21:52] <xubuntu602> plro, i tried that when you suggested it about an hour ago
[21:52] <nhoj> xubuntu602, i would hold off on python for now
[21:53] <rnz> omg! who idiot make default override/replace xorg.conf ?!
[21:53] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you see you can do the same as the command line with synaptic, right?
[21:54] <xubuntu602> nhoj, ok well i'll go ahead with the purge,. the worst that can happen is i loose a broken program
[21:55] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you will get it back -- probably not fixed but you will see.  Post your url with problem later anyway
[21:55] <nhoj> xubuntu602, you now have synaptic as an alternative in the meantime.
[21:56] <p1ro> xubuntu602, try the purge as nhoj suggesting
[21:57] <nhoj> p1ro, he is learning about stuff even if it does not work eh.
[21:57] <p1ro> hahahahhaha
[21:57] <p1ro> true
[21:57] <xubuntu602> thats the bright side
[22:01] <p1ro> xubuntu602, did the purge worked?
[22:01] <p1ro> xubuntu602, try this: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install software-center
[22:02] <xubuntu602> plro, still broken. it gave me this message at the end of the reinstall: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7310272/
[22:03] <xubuntu602> plro, i can only assume that is the problem
[22:05] <nhoj> xubuntu602, good, more info, but it may not mean much as some errors are not uncommon.
[22:06] <xubuntu602> i give up, how would you install .deb packages with synaptic
[22:08] <nhoj> xubuntu602, maybe, File -> Add downloaded packages. :)
[22:09] <xubuntu602> i'm not good a thinking today, am i?
[22:09] <nhoj> it is rather confusing really
[22:09] <xubuntu602> true
[22:11] <xubuntu602> it won't let me click it
[22:12] <nhoj> you have to go to 'computer'  -- remember you are now root.
[22:13] <xubuntu602> i cant find 'computer' but i can find my package
[22:13] <nhoj> that doesn't seem to work either. :(  We are talking about a dowloaded deb right?
[22:13] <xubuntu602> yep
[22:13] <nhoj> xubuntu602, sudo apt-get install gdebi
[22:14] <nhoj> or search gdebi in synaptic
[22:14] <xubuntu602> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:15] <nhoj> yes you are running synaptic -- close it
[22:15] <nhoj> or use it -- search gdebi and install with synaptic
[22:15] <xubuntu602> ok
[22:16] <xubuntu602> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[22:17] <xubuntu602> never mind
[22:17] <nhoj> yikes,  apt-get or synaptic?
[22:17] <nhoj> can't use both at the same time eh
[22:18] <xubuntu602> apt-get
[22:20] <xubuntu602> and now it doesn't recognize my password
[22:20] <nhoj> What doesn't recognize your password?
[22:21] <xubuntu602> the GDebi installer
[22:22] <nhoj> is synaptic closed?
[22:23] <xubuntu602> yep
[22:24] <nhoj> I will have to leave you now.  Take a break and try some more later.
[22:24] <xubuntu602> alright. thanks for everything
[22:49] <p1ro> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+question/177062
[22:49] <p1ro> xubuntu602, that is ur problem if im not wrong
[22:51] <xubuntu836> Hi everybody, can you hear me?! :)
[22:52] <knome> no, can you shout louder?
[22:52] <xubuntu836> LIKE THIS YOU MEAN!
[22:53] <xubuntu836> Eh eh eh, just a joke ;)
[22:53]  * Unit193 is awake.
[22:53] <xubuntu836> Exscuse me, I'm a nwebie, need help---
[22:54] <xubuntu836> I'm having problem installing xubuntu on my PC...maybe someone can help?!
[22:55] <knome> maybe, if you tell us what the problem is...
[22:55] <xubuntu836> I have a XP installed, and so i woluld like to install Xubuntu in dual boot...
[22:55] <cyborgcygnus> parental control settings in xubuntu 14.04?
[22:56] <knome> cyborgcygnus, nothing installed by default
[22:56] <cyborgcygnus> knome, I've tried googling, not having much luck, gnome nanny isn't in the software centre
[22:57] <xubuntu836> But the installation window doesn't give me this option. It only say 'cancel windows' and 'other', where 'other' it's not very easy for me, and i can't manage with partitions, mount, etc, etc.
[22:59] <xubuntu836> I'm talking about the 4th picture in this guide: http://www.xpocalypse.org/help.html
[23:11] <xubuntu602> plro, sorry i was busy, but yes that is the issue
[23:35] <Lazar> guys, i have problem with upgradeing to 14.04
[23:35] <peyam> what is the problem?
[23:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> it found him to be unworthy. :)
[23:36] <Lazar> It's just standing still after 2 h and it says setting up x11-common (1:7.7+1ubuntu8)
[23:36] <Poisoned_Dragon> geez, would have stopped at one hour to check the install source.
[23:37] <Lazar> I was trying to upgrade from 13.10 via  root shell
[23:37] <Lazar> Via do-dist-upgrade or something like that
[23:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh.. right... upgrade, not usb/dvd
[23:37] <Lazar> Yup
[23:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't like doing that for non-lts to lts.
[23:37] <Lazar> I could do fresh install tomorow, thats no problem at all
[23:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> It get hairy in a hurry.
[23:38] <peyam> Lazar do the fresh install.
[23:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> Lts to lts is second best to a fresh install.
[23:38] <Lazar> Ok, ill start fresh tomorow, just wanted to see can anybody  help, but ok.
[23:38] <Lazar> :D
[23:38] <Lazar> Thx anyway
[23:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> np
[23:38] <Lazar> Oh, one more thing
[23:38] <Lazar> Can i get data via live edition?
[23:39] <Lazar> I have papers for my school
[23:39] <peyam> yes. you will have internet connection
[23:39] <Lazar> Good
[23:39] <peyam> yes you could
[23:39] <Lazar> Ok, thanks.
[23:39] <Lazar> Im out.
[23:44] <endo> I want to dual boot Xubuntu 14.04 with Windows 7 on the same HDD. The Xubuntu installer does not detect Windows 7. Where should I start searching for answers?
[23:44] <peyam> endo, sudo fixparts /dev/sda
[23:45] <peyam> in the terminal
[23:45] <endo> that doesn't sound like something I want to do to my disk without understanding what 'fixparts' is/does
[23:45] <Unit193> endo: Does gparted detect Windows?
[23:45] <endo> Apparently not. It sees the NTFS partitions, though.
[23:46] <peyam> endo, windows loader has done something wrong and it has ignored them. fix part will change the format of the loader. and fixes the errors
[23:46] <peyam> endo, http://kurdiskingenjor.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/xubuntu-installation-doesnnt-find-my-windows-partition-n/
[23:46] <endo> So my bootloader (from windows) is broken?
[23:47] <Unit193> endo: First of all, is this UEFI?  Secondly, I'm wondering if it didn't have "a clean shutdown", thus marked it dirty.
[23:47] <endo> Unit193: Oh, I should have mentioned. Yes, it is UEFI with legacy support (some other acronym I forget)
[23:48] <endo> I did a clean shutdown. I think I will boot Xubuntu, join here, and conduct the installation.
[23:48] <Jok3r> hey guys, does anyone know if I can install this latest version of Xubuntu in a non-pae cpu?!
[23:48] <Unit193> endo: Ah.  If it is in UEFI mode, you'll of course need the amd64 version if you don't already have it.
[23:48] <Unit193> Jok3r: Pentium M?
[23:48] <Jok3r> yes
[23:48] <endo> peyam: That howto shows a situation where no NTFS/Windows partitions are detected. That is not my case.
[23:48] <Unit193> Boot option 'forcepae'
[23:48] <starrats> I had no problem with setting up a partition for 14.04 and win7, at the time of install of 14.04 there is a place that asks you if you want to keep the other data and it creates its own partition, i've done it 3 times already.
[23:48] <endo> Unit193: I do have the amd64 version.
[23:48] <peyam> endo, sorry.
[23:49] <endo> peyam: About what?
[23:49] <peyam> endo, so you see the win partitions in the installer?
[23:49] <endo> Unit193: What do you think about this 'fixparts' program?
[23:49] <Jok3r> Unit193: thanks man, I will try that
[23:49] <endo> Yes, let me try this all over again.
[23:49] <Unit193> endo: Never used it.
[23:49] <Unit193> Jok3r: sure.
[23:49] <endo> /gone
[23:52] <xubuntu753> hi, he talk spanish??
[23:52] <Jok3r> hola
[23:53] <xubuntu510> hola
[23:53] <Jok3r> hola
[23:53] <xubuntu510> qur tal
[23:53] <Jok3r> bien y vos?
[23:54] <xubuntu510> bien tengo una duda con la instalacion, me podes ayudar?
[23:54] <Unit193> !es
[23:54] <Jok3r> talvez sí
[23:56] <xubuntu510> te comento instalando el xubuntu 14.04 me aparece este error Glip-Critical **-g-slice_
[23:57] <Jok3r> no lo seé como ayudarte
[23:57] <knome> xubuntu510, english only please.
[23:57] <knome> Jok3r, english only.
[23:57] <Jok3r> haga como el bot lo dice #ubuntu-es
[23:57] <xubuntu510> o.O Gracias igual
[23:58] <Jok3r> yes sir, just redirecting that folk
[23:58] <knome> cheers


[06:48] <kalx> Hi all. I recently made a new AMI on AWS after doing running through linux system updates. I noticed the new one has some severe lag after startup.
[06:48] <kalx>  Per logs, it seems the 'config_apt-pipelining module is taking 4-5 mins to execute now. Anyone run into similar issues before?
[07:20] <kalx> Does anyone know what the apt-pipelining config module does? Is it purely just disabling apt-pipelining? or does it do anything else?
[09:28] <kalx> Checked code, it just writes a config file to apt config dir to disable/enabling apt pipelining, nothing else
[09:28] <kalx> so likely something else causing the issue actually that just happens block that config module from finishing
[09:53] <Odd_Bloke> rharper: smoser: What clouds do you know of that use network_config?
[13:23] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, it works on openstack with config drive and nocloud currently.
[13:23] <smoser> and the 'fallback' will be in place on others.
[13:24] <smoser> Odd_Bloke currently its in place only for local data sources (not requiring network)
[13:24] <smoser> the next step is to add it for data sources that require a network. example EC2 or Openstack Metadata
[13:24] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Sorry, I should have explained what I was looking for more fully: I'm trying to track down a problem with precise's ConfigDrive handling of network_config, and I'm looking for a place where the OpenStack configuration is known-good.
[13:25] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Because I don't want to consider fixing it in precise if it turns out I'm just looking at a funky OpenStack configuration. :p
[13:26] <smoser> oh. that.
[13:27] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, what is it that you're looking at? is it openstack metadata service ? or config drive?
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Config drive.
[13:28] <smoser> ok, so that has a shot at working, but even then i think that probably on precise the cloud-init local job doesn't fully block networking from coming up.
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: (I'm hoping that we'll be able to convince the partner to just not have precise in the region they're seeing this issue, but want to be sure of all the facts before pushing for that :)
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> Because it EOLs in a year anyway, and this is a new region, etc.
[13:30] <smoser> and thus if it doesn't block networking coming up, then it best case we ifdown something and then ifup it back up.
[13:30] <smoser> the new stuff is better, in that we block networking from coming up.
[13:38] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Well, looking at it, I'm not sure it _does_ work at all.  It looks like configuration is put in to keys that aren't later read from; but I want to confirm that I'm not just dealing with a weird OpenStack configuration that cloud-init mishandles.
[13:38] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: (This was totally refactored by trusty, and that works fine)
[13:38] <smoser> oh.
[13:41] <Odd_Bloke> So I want a cloud which does network_config "properly" so I can just validate my finding of brokenness. :)
[13:42] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, and you want that to work with precise
[13:42] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Well, once we know where we're at, we can go and talk to the partner about whether it's worth making it work.
[13:47] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, ok. quickly reading that..
[13:47] <smoser> i think that what is there is support for config drive v1
[13:47] <smoser> which is probably not alive in any openstack cloud
[13:47] <smoser> config drive v2 is what you'd probably see anywhere.
[13:47] <smoser> v2 came probably 3 years ago at least
[14:54] <rharper> smoser: did you see my ping re: xenial cloud-image not getting user ubuntu installed, which breaks when we add keys ?
[14:54] <smoser> yikes.
[14:54] <smoser> no. i didnt.
 smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15621102/
 ubuntu user not in /etc/passwd, so the ssh key add failed (xenial cloud image from 2016-04-03 )
[14:56] <rharper> running a synced curtin vmtest should trip it
[14:56] <smoser> hm..
[14:56] <rharper> (ie new enough xenial cloud image)
[14:56] <smoser>  cat /etc/cloud/build.info
[14:56] <smoser> build_name: server
[14:56] <smoser> serial: 20160403-141429
[14:57] <smoser> that works in lxc at least.
[14:57] <smoser> lxd
[14:57] <rharper> you're not useradding ubuntu ?
[14:57] <smoser> (ie, just laucnhed an instance here and there is a ubuntu user)
[14:57] <rharper> where is that normally added? (default users/groups) ?
[14:57] <smoser> its part of config (/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg)
[14:57] <rharper> right. cloud-init does;
[14:59] <rharper> also, there is another one related to booting an image a second time; http://paste.ubuntu.com/15630937/
[15:08] <smoser> rharper, so what happened is you failed to get the datasource
[15:08] <smoser> and you used the fallback datasource
[15:09] <smoser> which just generates ssh keys
[15:09] <rharper> heh, *I didn't* fail
[15:09] <smoser> and there is apparently a bug in that where it creates a driectory rather than symlinking
[15:09] <smoser> :)
[15:09] <rharper> well, maybe I'm speaking too soon
[15:09] <rharper> always chance for a PEBCAC
[15:10] <rharper> we're providing the normal seed via iso
[15:10] <smoser> well, it is probably failing to find a source.
[15:10] <smoser> if you can get a aconsole log it will probably mention that
[15:11] <smoser> fallback datasource BAD THINGS TO COME or somethign liek that
[15:11] <rharper> cloud-init.log or ?
[15:11] <smoser> cloud-init.log should have WARN in it
[15:11] <rharper> yeah
[15:11] <rharper> hard to know what to look for
[15:11] <rharper> why would it fail ?
[15:11] <rharper> to find the iso ?
[15:12] <rharper> that's after it actually loads and reads seed from /dev/vdc
[15:17] <rharper> smoser: which datasource should our seed.img in our curtin tests show up under ? (NoCloud) right ?
[15:17] <smoser> yeah.
[15:18] <rharper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15631292/
[15:20] <smoser> rharper, ok. i'll take a look in 10 mimnutes trying to finish something up for matsubara
[15:20] <rharper> wouldn't the fallback seed still read and use /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg (which the default users get installed?)
[15:20] <rharper> smoser: thanks
[15:21] <smoser> yeah.. i'm not sure why the warn about the user.
[15:38] <rharper> smoser: so, another reason curtin needs to disable cloud-init network;  nic name races;  cloud-init emits the systemd link stuff, it classed with the udev rules we wrote and now I got a renam5-eth2 in there
[15:39] <smoser> hm..
[15:39] <smoser> it shoudlnt clash though.
[15:39] <smoser> as 70-persistent should always be favored
[15:39] <rharper> well
[15:39] <rharper> it's not =/
[15:39] <rharper> the fallback code decided that my eth2 would ne a nice eth0 link
[15:40] <rharper> then I suppose it got a rename even, and raced (and 70 won)
[15:40] <rharper> but not before ifup had run and setup some link information in the kernel
[15:41] <smoser> ok. i'll start poking
[15:41]  * rharper is trying again with networking disabled
[15:42] <rharper> that fixed my test run
[15:43] <rharper> it appears that the disturbance of networking takes cloud-init down some other path that fails to use the local datasource
[15:43] <smoser> oh. yeah.
[15:43] <smoser> it does.
[15:43] <smoser> thats why you're seeing the DataSourceNone
[15:43] <smoser> because networking never comes up.
[15:44] <rharper> that seems odd; especially for a nocloud ds
[15:44] <rharper> but I'm sure I'm missing something
[16:44] <smoser> rharper, what curtin tests were failing for you ?
[17:15] <smoser> rharper, ^ i just ran successfully on diglett all tests except for one trusty one (which i think failed due to io load with --processes=-1)
[17:16] <smoser> ie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15634350/
[17:40] <rharper> smoser: it's a new one I'm adding for vlan stuff
[17:40] <smoser> well, pfft.
[17:40] <rharper> in particular, it's due to the RTNETLINK stuff
[17:41] <rharper> smoser: I think the more general concern is that in the case that network fails, cloud-init fails even when nocloud datasource is present
[17:41] <rharper> and networking is failing due to cloud-init networking (in my case, emitting the systemd link file is the direct cause)
[17:41] <rharper> so before I add the vlan case which triggers this 100% of the time
[17:42] <rharper> I'm adding the code to emit network: config: disabed in curtin target
[17:42] <smoser> well, boot failed because cloud-init wanted networking (as do other things in boot).  they wait until networking is available (network.target)
[17:42] <smoser> and there was no network.target reached, so it failed.
[17:43] <smoser> i dont think its related to systemd link file
[17:43] <smoser>  see /lib/udev/rules.d/80-net-setup-link.rules
[17:43] <smoser> .link files are only paid attention to if NAME==""
[17:44] <smoser> and your 70-persistent.... would have set NAME=
[17:45] <rharper> yes
[17:45] <rharper> it's related
[17:45] <rharper> the link file forced a iface rename of eth2 to eth0
[17:45] <rharper> and it's racing with existing data in the routing table
[17:45] <smoser> how ?
[17:45] <rharper> I don't fully understand the sequence
[17:45] <rharper> but when the vlan config goes to ip set link up on the interface for the vlan
[17:46] <rharper> it finds an existing route
[17:46] <rharper> and fails
[17:46] <rharper> in the routing table, I see things like eth2-rename
[17:46] <rharper> and if I disable cloud-init networking, the eni is perfectly fine and solid
[17:46] <rharper> I'll post the branch in a minute
[17:46] <rharper> if you'd like to debug it more
[17:54] <rharper> smoser: https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/curtin/trunk.test-vlan/+merge/291023  ;  if you remove the bit in curtin/net/__init__.py where I now write a config to disable cloud-init networking, the XenialTestNetworkVlan testcase will fail and you can boot the install disk to see what's going on