[18:48] <asac> something that i coyuld do? i guess we would have to hack the kernel :)?
[18:48] <ricmm> you mean write to .cache/upstart/ ?
[18:49] <ogra_> ricmm, that bit i will pix by putting a snippet into /etc/profile.d/ instead ... so slangasek doesnt need to suggest it all the time (and we can finally say we use it) :)
[18:49] <ogra_> ricmm, right, write
[18:49] <ogra_> s/pix/fix/
[18:49] <ricmm> awesome
[18:49] <ogra_> and desktop can use it from there too
[18:50] <ricmm> while at it, how would you feel about a profiile.d hook to make all terminals join the phablet UPSTART_SESSION by default
[18:50] <ricmm> for now, at least
[18:50] <ogra_> mdeslaur had some securooty concerns though
[18:50] <ogra_> *security
[18:50] <ricmm> so peopne can ssh -> start application APP_ID="foo"
[18:50] <ogra_> i guess we need to show all our evil hacks to the security team at some point :)
[18:50] <ricmm> yes
[18:51] <mdeslaur> ogra_: shall I start assigning the CVEs now? :)
[18:51] <ogra_> haha
[18:51] <ogra_> mdeslaur, after FF
[18:51] <ogra_> :P
[18:51] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:51] <ricmm> frankly I dont approve of any hacks just to ease app launching
[18:51] <ogra_> ricmm, sure, go ahead with the UPSTART_SESSION stuff
[18:51] <ricmm> not even the dbus one :) a default ssh login shouldnt be in the context of the running ui session
[18:52] <ogra_> ricmm, well, this was more to unbreak autopilot
[18:52] <ricmm> actually this is to perpetuate autopilot's broken behaviour
[18:52] <ogra_> we are on a phone after all ,.... and starting X apps on a machine you ssh in with the same use works too
[18:52] <ricmm> shouldnt autopilot set up its running environment?
[18:54] <kalikiana> ricmm, what's the alternative to launching from ssh?
[18:54] <ogra_> it probably should
[18:55] <ogra_> ricmm, my point is that X has exactly the same behavior
[18:55] <kalikiana> for development it's a bit hard to avoid
[18:55] <ricmm> ogra_: yup I know
[18:55] <ogra_> ricmm, through ~/.dbus/session/$sessionid
[18:55] <ricmm> kalikiana: no option, just set up your correct environment
[18:55] <ricmm> if you need to launch apps in the running session, join the session
[18:55] <ogra_> so i dont think what we do is massively wrong
[18:56] <ricmm> or we put in the hack, but if we have the hack then we dont take complaints ;)
[18:56] <ricmm> its not wrong for now, in our single user scenario and heavy development
[18:57] <kalikiana> ricmm, would it be possible to output a message with the right command when ssh'ing in?
[18:57] <kalikiana> knowing exactly what to do is the biggest hurdle
[18:57] <ricmm> I'll send an email today explaining the upstart session to the list
[18:57] <ricmm> with ogra's changes you will be in dbus tho
[18:57] <ricmm> so should be transparent to launch them as you always have
[18:57] <kalikiana> with the latest updates it "half" worked when I did what I used to do
[18:58] <kalikiana> wrong dpi and no uitk
[18:58] <kalikiana> if it was very obvious what to do without reading and asking, I wouldn't mind the exact invokation much
[18:59] <kalikiana> that's from my pov anyway
[18:59] <ogra_> tomorrows image will work as usual
[19:00] <nik90> kalikiana: I heard from Kaleo that you are working on a search box widget.
[19:00] <nik90> kalikiana: Do you plan to implemented instant search as part of that so that it searches as you start typing?
[19:00] <ricmm> kalikiana: what device do you have?
[19:01] <nik90> popey: is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1172869 still valid?
[19:02] <popey> nik90: lemme see
[19:02] <kalikiana> ricmm, galaxy nexus
[19:03] <ricmm> pixel ratio shoudld be fine as long as you are phablet then
[19:03] <ricmm> the default fits gnex
[19:04] <popey> nik90: hmm, arguably it's not a problem... e.g. as the second hand goes from :31 to :30 the text switches from :31 to :30 as the hand leaves :31. which is true, because at that point it's 30.9999, then 30.9998 etc
[19:05] <kalikiana> I login as phablet user, yes
[19:06] <nik90> popey: tbh both text and hand start moving at the same time. However text updates instantly while the hand takes less than a second to reach its new destination.
[19:06] <nik90> popey: I do not think it is an issue.
[19:06] <kalikiana> I guess it could be that qtcreator's spawning ssh changed in some other way. I'll try updating the image again tomorrow and see if it works
[19:06] <nik90> popey: do you mind if I close it?
[19:07] <popey> nik90: sure
[19:07] <popey> nik90: _however_ it _is_ an issue for clocks which go forward ☻
[19:07] <popey> e.g. stopwatch
[19:08] <kalikiana> nik90, search box widget is a bit ambiguous… in app search. your app defines "I am searchable", you can trigger it from the dash, the search view(s) replace(s) the header with a searchbox. the dash integration part is WIP
[19:09] <nik90> kalikiana: oh. I thought you were making a widget which is like a textfield and search a listview for an item.
[19:09] <nik90> my mistake
[19:09] <nik90> popey: true, but the difference in updates between the text and the hand is very very small that I do not think it can be noticed
[19:10] <nik90> *difference in update frequency*
[19:10] <popey> ☻
[19:10] <popey> I notice ☻
[19:11] <popey> but I am annoying like that, and happy to let it lie as there are other more important things to do
[19:11] <nik90> alrite I will keep it open for the stopwatch and clock. But I do not see a way to fix it.
[19:11] <nik90> if I start asking the text to wait until the hand has finished its transistion, I will accidentally add more bugs
[19:12] <popey> yeah, it should be low priority
[19:12] <cyphermox_> rsalveti: the glib commit for the nm-glib bug is this one right? https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=31fde567a95ff8f50b6b0e75d4010da9b73514ed
[19:13]  * cyphermox_ is confused as to how this would affect the bug; it doesn't seem to be touching any related code
[19:13] <kalikiana> nik90, essentially yes. it goes further and adds tight shell integration, and have you not worry about all the details
[19:13] <kalikiana> so: you define your search resuls view
[19:13] <kalikiana> you don't care how it is invoked
[19:13] <kalikiana> nik90, in what context are you asking about search?
[19:13] <nik90> kalikiana: I need such a widget in the clock app to search world cities that I present in a listview to the user.
[19:14] <nik90> kalikiana: currently I have implemented it myself, but thought a universal search textfield to search through a list would be useful for some of the core apps
[19:15] <ricmm> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/livecd-rootfs/join-upstart-session-default/+merge/175101
[19:16] <ricmm> what do you think about that? simple
[19:16] <asac> doanac: so there will be a new image for today
[19:16] <asac> with the fix so we can hopefully run stuff :)
[19:16] <asac> we need to punch stuff through
[19:20] <ogra_> ricmm, but from a new file in /etc/profile.d/ ;)
[19:20] <ricmm> oops right
[19:21] <ricmm> ogra_: any preferred number?
[19:21] <pmcgowan> ricmm, ogra_ what does it take to enable the nexus 7 in tablet mode?
[19:21] <ogra_> ricmm, as you like :)
[19:21] <ogra_> pmcgowan, what does "in tablet mode" mean ?
[19:21] <pmcgowan> ogra_, make it behave like a tablet
[19:22] <pmcgowan> go landscape, havea sidestage
[19:22] <kalikiana> nik90, you'll want to use the search stuff then. I'm not sure exactly when it'll be ready but during this week or next dash integration will be implemented, maybe we can catch up again when there's something to try
[19:22] <nik90> kalikiana: sure.
[19:23] <ogra_> pmcgowan, dunno, i have no clue how tablet mode gets enabled :) happz to learn about it :)
[19:23] <kalikiana> nik90, actually I'd be interested if you can point me at your current code, to see what requirements you have, what api you'd need etc
[19:23] <ricmm> ogra_: pmcgowan we would need to translate input if we want it to default like that
[19:23] <pmcgowan> must be in the boot somewhere
[19:23] <ricmm> technically 0,0 is top left when looking at the n7 in portrait
[19:23] <ricmm> so it would take some hacks, as the default hw orientation is actually portrait
[19:23] <mhall119> rsalveti: sergiusens: I've created an MP to add the last of the Core Apps to the daily touch builds, if you can review them when you have time: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-seeds/touch-remaining-coreapps/+merge/175105
[19:23] <asac> pmcgowan: i think we said that sidestage etc. would only be on larger devices... so maybe its a unity runtime check or something?
[19:23] <ricmm> ogra_: refresh the MR
[19:24] <pmcgowan> ricmm, is that the magic you never figured out?
[19:24] <asac> pmcgowan: e.g. based on screensize etc.?
[19:24] <pmcgowan> asac, I have gotten feedback from the head of design to perhaps make it do sidestage
[19:24] <asac> also remember N7 is kind of in maintenance mode, we prefer to not look too deep there :)
[19:24] <pmcgowan> yeah
[19:24] <ricmm> pmcgowan: I stopped because design discarded the idea, you know that :(
[19:24] <pmcgowan> ricmm, I never did ;)
[19:25] <ogra_> ricmm, hmm, looks good, now i wonder if we shouldnt just ship that file in ubuntu-touch-session :D and thats actually one hack less then ;)
[19:25] <rsalveti> asac: ogra_: I think it'd probably be good to have a kernel patch to always use the latest argument, if possible
[19:25] <rsalveti> so we could overwrite the ones passed by the bootloader
[19:26] <ricmm> ogra_: right, good idea
[19:26] <ogra_> rsalveti, definitely ... i also wonder if our packages actually ship the android defined cmdlines
[19:26] <ricmm> will re-MR
[19:26] <rsalveti> cyphermox_: yes, found with git bisect
[19:26] <ogra_> rsalveti, i was suspecting before that we dont
[19:26] <ogra_> since we have packages
[19:27] <ogra_> (but havent looked at the kernel config yet)
[19:27] <rsalveti> ogra_: what do you mean by our packages?
[19:27] <rsalveti> kernel you mean?
[19:27] <rsalveti> I believe that's just from the bootloader
[19:27] <rsalveti> but yeah, need to check
[19:27] <sforshee> rsalveti, mfisch: MR for emergency low-battery shutdown: request state
[19:27] <sforshee> oops
[19:27] <sforshee> I meant https://code.launchpad.net/~sforshee/powerd/low-battery-shutdown/+merge/174861
[19:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: should I take https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-seeds/touch-remaining-coreapps/+merge/175105 or want to do it yourself?
[19:28] <rsalveti> sforshee: cool, thanks
[19:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, feel free
[19:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: ok
[19:28] <ogra_> rsalveti, i have to catherd another image build
[19:28] <ogra_> for the dbus fix
[19:29] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, cool
[19:29] <mfisch> sforshee: I can look in a bit
[19:30] <ricmm> ogra_: https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/session-manager-touch/join-upstart-session-by-default/+merge/175106
[19:32] <ogra_> ricmm, drom the .sh :)
[19:32] <ricmm> builds and works
[19:32] <ogra_> *drop
[19:33] <ogra_> ah, no, dont
[19:33] <ogra_> seems thats common schema
[19:33] <ogra_> how ugly :P
[19:33] <ricmm> :)
[19:33] <ricmm> yup
[19:33] <ogra_> looks fine
[19:34] <ricmm> rsalveti: can you take a look at ^
[19:36] <asac> do we need to change anything on the infra side now that the fix landed? or will autopilot stuff just work again?
[19:36] <rsalveti> ricmm: -su: initctl: command not found
[19:36] <rsalveti> when adb shell; su - phablet
[19:36] <sergiusens> asac: ?
[19:36] <rsalveti> initctl is not under phablet's path
[19:37] <asac> sergiusens: autopilot tests failed completely in todays image
[19:37] <asac> sergiusens: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3010/
[19:37] <rsalveti> ricmm: might want to use /sbin/initctl instead
[19:37] <asac> i was told fix is in archive or close to be there
[19:37] <asac> and then ogra wanted to spi a new image so we might hit something with a useful dashboard
[19:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: changed back to needs review
[19:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, why ?
[19:38] <sergiusens> asac: oh, I'm not sure of what doanac is using in utah, if he's using phablet-test-run from phablet-tools, no, and it's me who needs to update
[19:38] <asac> :(
[19:38] <asac> thought you guys had talked about it
[19:38] <asac> doanac: ^^
[19:38] <rsalveti> ogra_:  	#adb shell; su - phablet
[19:38] <rsalveti> -su: initctl: command not found
[19:38] <sergiusens> asac: pinged a couple of times but didn't get a reply
[19:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm, so we need to fix adb
[19:38] <asac> doanac: !! :-P
[19:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: well, it's under /sbin
[19:39] <rsalveti> ogra_: wouldn't hurt to use the entire path there
[19:39] <ogra_> traditionally ubuntu has /sbin in the users path
[19:39] <asac> sergiusens: lets see
[19:39] <asac> we might be able to see it
[19:39] <asac> in logs
[19:39] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3010/
[19:39] <asac> going to gallery aopp
[19:39] <ogra_> so yeah, we should fix it there, why is that not set properly though ?
[19:39] <asac> going to build
[19:40] <asac> it worked before
[19:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, indeed, we need to fix the path as well
[19:40] <asac> it surely was a change in behaviour
[19:40] <asac> if behavioyur is exactly like before
[19:40] <ogra_> rsalveti, you adb in as root and sudo to phablet, no ?
[19:40] <asac> it willw ork
[19:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but with su -
[19:40] <ogra_> well, shouldnt make a difference ...
[19:40] <rsalveti> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
[19:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: it does, the - makes it use a clean env
[19:41] <ogra_> oh, its the /etc/environment mangling i guess , we dont use d-i to create it, yeah
[19:41] <asac> sergiusens: Running command: utah-autopilot run -v gallery_app.tests.test_album_editor.TestAlbumEditor.test_add_photo
[19:41] <asac> in https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-gallery-app-autopilot/7/consoleFull
[19:41] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, wow, not even /usr/sbin
[19:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah
[19:42] <asac> bzr branch lp:utah :)
[19:42] <rsalveti> now how that gets set
[19:42] <ogra_> livecd-rrotfs ?
[19:42] <sergiusens> there's a user config hook
[19:42] <sergiusens> 01-
[19:42] <ogra_> live-build/ubuntu-touch/hooks/48-setup-env.chroot
[19:43] <ogra_> god
[19:43] <ogra_> we need to clean that up
[19:43] <ogra_> *whine*
[19:43] <rsalveti> maybe /etc/login.defs
[19:43] <rsalveti> yup
[19:43] <asac> sergiusens: i think thats where the code lives
[19:43] <rsalveti> ogra_: the path there is fine
[19:44] <rsalveti> only matching path I found locally was /etc/login.defs
[19:44] <sergiusens> asac: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-test-case-dev/ubuntu-test-cases/smoke-touch-apps/changes
[19:44] <asac> whats that?
[19:44] <asac> ah the definition
[19:45] <asac> how it does the jobs
[19:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, gets from /etc/login.defs
[19:45] <doanac> asac: sergiusens: i don't use phablet-test-run.
[19:45] <sergiusens> doanac: yeah just saw
[19:45] <doanac> it required ssh and such we can't always use for our tests
[19:45] <ogra_> rsalveti, strange
[19:45] <asac> sergiusens: so will our fix make infrastructure just work?
[19:45] <asac> e.g. a new image can succeed again?
[19:45] <asac> :)
[19:45] <ogra_> why do i get a fine path on a desktop then
[19:45] <doanac> sergiusens, asac: I run autopilot stuff with:
[19:45] <doanac> 'export $(grep SESSION /home/phablet/.dbus-session)',
[19:45] <doanac>         'sudo -i -u phablet {} \\'.format(env),
[19:45] <doanac>         '  DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS autopilot $*',
[19:46] <sergiusens> asac: not sure, doanac do you stop the shell?
[19:46] <sergiusens> doanac: if you do, that code needs to be updated
[19:46] <doanac> sergiusens: i launch the script listed above via an upstart job
[19:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: at your host: echo $PATH; sudo su - <your user>; echo $PATH
[19:46] <ogra_> why woudl i do sudo su - :P
[19:46] <ogra_> sudo -u user -i
[19:47] <rsalveti> right, whatever :P
[19:47] <rsalveti> just to reproduce the issue
[19:47] <ogra_> yeah, k
[19:47] <doanac> sergiusens: so what do i need to update specifically?
[19:47] <ogra_> bit thats the sudo (or su) invocation ...
[19:48] <ogra_> *but
[19:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah, seems related with su
[19:48] <ogra_> we cant fix user behavior indeed
[19:48] <rsalveti> su will not set the env correctly
[19:48] <ogra_> well, you tell it to do that with the -
[19:48] <rsalveti> well, that just tells it to use a clean env
[19:49] <rsalveti> Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly.
[19:49] <rsalveti> that's a lie
[19:49] <rsalveti> :P
[19:49] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[19:50] <ogra_> so feel free to fix login :)
[19:50] <sergiusens> doanac: so you never stop the shell and the tests just work?
[19:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: more interesting:
[19:50] <rsalveti> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# sudo -u phablet -i
[19:50] <rsalveti> initctl: Unable to query session directory
[19:50] <ogra_> yeah
[19:50] <ogra_> see ricmm's fix above
[19:50] <rsalveti> that's with his fix
[19:50] <doanac> sergiusens: what do you mean by "stop the shell"?
[19:51] <sergiusens> doanac: for running apps, like the gallery
[19:51] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, hmm
[19:51] <doanac> i run "adb shell initctl emit <my signal>" and the upstart job will launch a script that runs the commands i listed above
[19:52] <rsalveti> ogra_:   * Removed unity8 from touch [armhf i386]
[19:52] <rsalveti> lol
[19:52] <rsalveti> after running ./update in the meta package
[19:52] <sergiusens> doanac: ok, just interesting that it works since the shell would be locked
[19:52] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# sudo -u phablet -i
[19:52] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ env|grep XDG
[19:52] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[19:52] <sergiusens> doanac: can I see the full code instead of the snippet?
[19:52] <ogra_> rsalveti, so you miss the XDG stuff for the session dir
[19:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, hmm ? thats weird, it should just use the ppa
[19:53] <rsalveti> right :-)
[19:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: got it, not using the next ppa there
[19:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: will add that there
[19:54] <ogra_> it did before
[19:54] <doanac> sergiusens: we have a "utah-autopilot" script here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~utah/utah/dev/view/head:/examples/run_utah_phablet.py#L131
[19:54] <rsalveti> are you sure?
[19:54] <ogra_> we ship unity8 since a while
[19:54] <doanac> that's what i use to run autopilot stuff.
[19:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure, but that was because it was also part of the phablet-team/ppa
[19:54] <ogra_> it wouldnt be shipped if it wasnt used by meta
[19:54] <rsalveti> not anymore
[19:54] <ogra_> oh
[19:54] <ogra_> ok
[19:54] <ogra_> yeah, makes sense
[19:55] <doanac> sergiusens:  we then have typical upstart code like: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~utah/utah/dev/view/head:/examples/run_utah_phablet.py#L119
[19:55]  * ogra_ wasnt aware the ppa was cleaned up :)
[19:55] <ogra_> yay
[19:56] <ricmm> rsalveti: I pushed the change
[19:56] <rsalveti> where is ricmm haha
[19:56] <rsalveti> oh, there you go
[19:56] <rsalveti> :-)
[19:56]  * ogra_ pokes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/dbus/1.6.12-0ubuntu2
[19:56] <ogra_> whay does it now promote ... hmpf
[19:56] <sergiusens> doanac: this is the shell restart part http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~utah/utah/dev/view/head:/examples/run_utah_phablet.py#L142
[19:57] <doanac> sergiusens: yes
[19:57] <sergiusens> doanac: unity8 is an upstart user session now
[19:57] <doanac> sergiusens: okay. I need to update this ASAP then
[19:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: you say '~/.dbus-session' in your changelog, but the code is using $HOME/.cache/upstart/dbus-session instead
[19:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: is that expected?
[19:57] <doanac> can you just  do a "stop unity8" or something?
[19:58] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, mdeslaur pointed that out too ...
[19:58] <asac> doanac: so new imagese are probably coming out in 1-2h
[19:58] <asac> :)
[19:58] <ricmm> doanac: technically you can
[19:58] <ogra_> i was to lazt to just upload for a changelog fix :)
[19:58] <sergiusens> doanac: in theory stop/start unity8 as the phablet user should work once that new package is built
[19:58] <ricmm> doanac: if you have joined the upstart session, which with my MR wshould happen by default
[19:58] <ogra_> rsalveti, $HOME/.cache/upstart/dbus-session is right
[19:58] <ricmm> when su - phablet or ssh'ing as phablet
[19:58] <doanac> ricmm: okay thanks
[19:58] <rsalveti> -bash: /home/phablet/.dbus-session: No such file or directory
[19:59] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, then we need to change ^ as well, right?
[19:59] <asac> doanac: is there an easy way for sergiusens to try utah-autopilot to really see if his updated system will suceed?
[19:59] <rsalveti> to source from the right file
[19:59] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, already done, see livecd-rootfs
[19:59] <ricmm> that is changed
[19:59] <ricmm> yup
[19:59] <asac> just saying that we would know for sure then
[19:59] <asac> and just can sit back :)
[19:59] <asac> and click buttons
[19:59] <rsalveti> ogra_: great
[19:59] <ogra_> rsalveti, that should go into a profile.d snippet as well
[19:59] <rsalveti> just pushed
[20:00] <rsalveti> yeah
[20:00] <doanac> asac: install and run the "run_utah_phablet.py -N lp:~doanac/+junk/autopilot-utah-example/master.run"
[20:00] <rsalveti> that would be even better
[20:00] <ogra_> but i'll keep that for tomorrow since we want to build a new image
[20:00] <rsalveti> hate to see stuff coming into .bashrc
[20:00] <ogra_> ++
[20:00] <ogra_>  well /etc/environment looks worse than our bachrc stuff
[20:00] <asac> sergiusens: could you run the above line?
[20:01] <asac> on your local/patched to latest system? ... of course just if you have it at hand
[20:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: details
[20:01] <rsalveti> :P
[20:01] <ogra_> heh
[20:01] <doanac> sergiusens: you might add "--skip-install" so it doen't install a new image your system
[20:01] <sergiusens> doanac: asac ack
[20:02] <sergiusens> asac: I'll need to update, but not to worry
[20:03] <ricmm> ogra_: how long for your dbus package to hit archive?
[20:03] <rsalveti> ogra_: just pushed new meta
[20:04] <rsalveti> mhall119: merged
[20:04] <ogra_> ricmm, well, it sits there  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/dbus/1.6.12-0ubuntu2
[20:04] <ogra_> in proposed ...
[20:04] <ricmm> he usual rodeo
[20:04] <ricmm> the*
[20:04] <seb128> ogra_, you screwed up the changelog entry, but thanks for actually fixing the location ;-)
[20:04] <ogra_> well, livecd-rootfs was uploaded afterwards
[20:05] <ogra_> seb128, yeah, you are not the first to point it out
[20:05]  * ogra_ will make a t-shirt for the next sprint "i screwed up the changelog entry"
[20:05] <ogra_> :P
[20:05] <rsalveti> ricmm: happroved
[20:05] <ricmm> \o/
[20:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: lol
[20:06] <ricmm> ogra_: order a few
[20:06] <ricmm> M for me
[20:06] <rsalveti> "yes, we used a ppa"
[20:06] <ogra_> :)
[20:06] <ogra_> haha
[20:06] <rsalveti> we trust jenkins
[20:06] <rsalveti> we got a lot
[20:07] <ogra_> doanac, so for the next image you might want to source the file from the new location (see the code, ignore the changelog) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5881676/
[20:07] <ricmm> ogra_: add something in bashrc that symlinks to that file
[20:07] <ricmm> j/k j/k ;)
[20:07] <ogra_> HAHA
[20:07] <pmcgowan> are the launcher apps still hardcoded somewhere?
[20:08] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: yes, in unity8
[20:08] <doanac> ogra_: ack.
[20:08] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: if you assign to me, I can update
[20:08] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ok, I think calendar got renamed or something
[20:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can you make it dynamic and secure as well? :P
[20:09] <rsalveti> remembers the entire secure talk when demoing it
[20:09] <ogra_> secure because hardcoded ?
[20:10] <sergiusens> rsalveti: sure, can we enable rw on /? trust me
[20:10] <rsalveti> sure :-)
[20:10] <sergiusens> :-P
[20:16] <sergiusens> boiko: still around?
[20:23] <boiko> sergiusens: yep
[20:23] <ogra_> rsalveti, sergiusens, whats the prob, we even have it world writable now :)
[20:24] <rsalveti> ogra_: hahah
[20:24] <rsalveti> guess ssh complains all the time here
[20:24] <ogra_> yeah
[20:24] <nik90> popey: I know this is late, but can you quickly check if you are able to see the correct sunrise/sunset times for your location?
[20:25] <ogra_> and by correct you indeed mean that he needs to stay up to verify ?
[20:25] <nik90> ogra_: :-)
[20:26] <nik90> ogra_: he can just check with google
[20:26] <ogra_> :)
[20:28]  * ogra_ sighs ... dbus seems to have quite some deps to check ... of britney went on vacation without telling us ...
[20:28] <popey> ☻
[20:28] <ogra_> s/of/or/
[20:28] <popey> nik90: ok
[20:30] <popey> yes, its accurate nik90
[20:30] <popey> 05:01 / 21:10 which agrees with me googling for sunset/sunrise times
[20:31] <nik90> popey: I just fixed it and released the bug, but I got a comment saying it was wrong. Thanks for checking
[20:31] <nik90> I realise it is getting late
[20:34] <popey> nah, its fine
[20:39] <stgraber> and finally, upgrade using gpg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5882103/ (not very visible as the files are valid ;))
[20:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: I was being sarcastic ;-)
[20:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, no, really ?!?
[20:39] <sergiusens> :-)
[20:39] <ogra_> :)
[20:40] <stgraber> sergiusens, rsalveti: can one of you commit http://paste.ubuntu.com/5882107/ to the recovery git branch and kick a rebuild of android?
[20:41] <stgraber> (yeah, that contains a tar.xz as base64, hopefully git am won't mind)
[20:41] <rsalveti> stgraber: sure
[20:42] <stgraber> rsalveti: thanks!
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can take care of the git push, got my hands at the phablet-saucy stuff
[20:42] <sergiusens> stgraber: yeah, give me a couple
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I can push it, will have to push in both branches
[20:42] <rsalveti> sergiusens: ping you back to trigger a new build
[20:43] <stgraber> in theory we'll be feature-complete after that one. There may be some way of improving performance (in the worst case the .tar.xz is currently read 4 times...) but for the normal update (first flash and delta updates from there), it's not too bad (read twice and smaller files)
[20:43] <ogra_> xnox, binary blobs for qemu ?
[20:44] <stgraber> even in the worst case, a full reflash took a bit over 5min on my nexus4, though getting measurements on maguro would be nice (should be much easier once I finish my phablet-flash changes)
[20:45] <xnox> ogra_: i believe there are google vendor files and blobs for qemu yeah.... unless they are simply prebuilts and source is available somewhere.
[20:45] <rsalveti> some scary greps all over, hope it's all behaving properly :-)
[20:45] <ogra_> xnox, i would expect the latter
[20:45] <ogra_> xnox, they wont be in our tree indeed :)
[20:46] <ogra_> and i doubt in CM trees either
[20:46] <xnox> ogra_: rsalveti: at the moment I'm looking at consolidating & hopefully removing "prebuilts/ndk/" from the tree. Some thinks compile to API level 9, some to 8, our libc is 10 and AOSP is at 14
[20:46] <xnox>  /o\
[20:46] <ogra_> (there once was a cyanogenmpd 2.x emulator  or so .... but i havent seen something newer)
[20:46] <xnox> ogra_: yeah, it seems dead, that one.
[20:47] <rsalveti> xnox: what would the the benefit of that?
[20:47] <rsalveti> just saving disk space?
[20:47] <ogra_> smaller sourcer package
[20:47] <ogra_> -r
[20:47] <rsalveti> I wonder if that will cause issues with our porters
[20:48] <rsalveti> might need to check a port coming from ICS
[20:48] <rsalveti> I'm kind of against just removing most of stuff for now, prefer doing the clean up later
[20:49] <xnox> rsalveti: well, it's mimimum versions of the ndk, so things should be forward portable. our blobs do work with libc at 10, so that should be an ok baseline. but our tree at the moment compiles stl/libc yet other packages use includes from and link against prebuilts/ndk/*
[20:50] <rsalveti> xnox: right, that's why I was interested to see if there would be any other dependency with ports coming from ICS (using ics blobs but in a jb - 4.2.2 image)
[20:51] <xnox> prebuilds/ndk is 472MB of legacy stuff (many levels) and I can't be rebuilding them all, nor uploading blobs into the ubuntu-archive.
[20:52] <xnox> rsalveti: right this is not removed from the repo forest, but not used/excluded in the archive build.
[20:52] <sergiusens> ogra_: can we turn off syncing of jenkins ubuntu-touch-preview?
[20:52] <xnox> i feel that: brunch $foo should just-work(tm) and generate ready-to use images.
[20:52] <rsalveti> xnox: right
[20:53] <rsalveti> sounds fine then
[20:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, do ports work with flipped ?
[20:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: no, but the livebuild is broken for unflipped
[20:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh
[20:54] <xnox> my package correctly creates zips for both flipped and unflipped.
[20:54] <ogra_> yeah, i'll remove the job from nusakans crontab
[20:54] <xnox> and system/boot images.
[20:55] <ogra_> xnox, your package wont be used on modotola droid :)
[20:55] <om26er> sergiusens, hey! will you be working for messaging-app and dialer-app CI jobs ?
[20:55] <sergiusens> om26er: yes
[20:55] <om26er> sergiusens, I could if you want
[20:55] <sergiusens> om26er: don't worry, focus on getting good autopilot tests ;-)
[20:56] <xnox> ogra_: ah, gotcha..... i obviously do not have the unflipped ubuntu tarball......
[20:56] <ogra_> yeah, and it should be long dead, but we havent verified a port ourselves yet
[20:56] <ogra_> i'll do that this week
[20:56] <om26er> sergiusens, sure, it kind of falls into my job so wanted to make sure if you were comfortable.
[20:57] <ogra_> there is just always another emergency holding me back
[20:57] <rsalveti> sergiusens: one thing, we never tagged a saucy build for flipped, right?
[20:57] <rsalveti> sorry, unflipped
[20:58] <rsalveti> xnox: where are you pushing your stuff?
[20:58] <xnox> debian/ dir is at: git@github.com:xnox/android.git
[20:59] <xnox> and manifest.xml is just locally editted to remove stuff.
[20:59] <xnox> and uploaded into the ppa
[20:59] <xnox> <om26er> sergiusens, I could if you want
[20:59] <xnox> arh.
[20:59] <xnox> ignore.
[20:59] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-toolchain/+archive/android
[20:59]  * xnox needs new batteries for my mouse.
[21:00] <om26er> *his
[21:02] <sergiusens> om26er: no sweat
[21:04] <boiko> sergiusens: hey, did you by chance had time to look into the CI and autolanding for those new branches?
[21:05] <sergiusens> boiko: where are your MRs, need to get to it now
[21:06] <boiko> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/telephony-service/packaging/+merge/175140
[21:07] <boiko> sergiusens: for the other two branches I think salem_ didn't do the MRs yet
[21:07] <rsalveti> stgraber: pushed
[21:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can you trigger a new android build?
[21:08] <om26er> boiko, for future ref, I am your QE ;)
[21:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: err, I was reviewing the diff!
[21:08] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I said I'd take care of it
[21:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I'll create
[21:09] <sergiusens> rsalveti: must of missed it since I thought I read phablet-saucy
[21:09] <boiko> om26er: oh, sorry, didn't know you were also in charge of setting that up, good to know
[21:09] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right, just said that I'd push it because I had my hands in the phablet-saucy branch already :-)
[21:09] <boiko> sergiusens: sorry for that, I should have asked om26er instead
[21:09] <rsalveti> so I just pushed in both branches
[21:10] <sergiusens> boiko: don't worry, we have different plans for these projects
[21:17] <sergiusens> boiko: so the telephony-service would still depend on indicator-messages in the phablet-team ppa
[21:18] <boiko> sergiusens: yes, that didn't change :/
[21:19] <sergiusens> boiko: good thing i checked :-P
[21:19] <ogra_> asac, looks like dbus might still take a while, the dependency checks  are still running (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html)
[21:20] <boiko> sergiusens: yeah, the only thing is that the UI is not there anymore, but the rest is still the same
[21:22] <salem_> sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~tiagosh/dialer-app/dialer-app-noautopilot/+merge/175141
[21:22] <stgraber> rsalveti: thanks!
[21:22] <salem_> sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~tiagosh/messaging-app/messaging-app-noautopilot/+merge/175142
[21:24] <stgraber> sergiusens: let me know once you kick the build, I'll monitor and test once it's done
[21:26] <sergiusens> stgraber: kciked
[21:26] <sergiusens> *kicked
[21:26] <stgraber> thanks
[21:26] <sergiusens> salem_: thanks
[21:56] <dkessel> i have a question on the default user's folder names in ubuntu touch. on normal ubuntu, certain folder names, like "Desktop" or "Music" are automatically when a user is created. and the thing that happens is that the folder names are translated to the user's (or system's) language.
[21:57] <dkessel> should an ubuntu touch app expect user folders to be translated this way? if so, how would it find the correct folder for music, for example?
[21:59] <mhall119> dkessel: apps should expect translated folders, yes, I think for things like ~/Music/ there is an XDG method of retrieving the actual name
[22:04] <ahayzen> dkessel, you want XDG_MUSIC_DIR (look at the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs)... i looked into this for the music-app but couldn't figure out how to query XDG from javascript
[22:05] <dkessel> ahayzen, yeah. I found bug 1198909, which is about this issue.
[22:09] <dejello> hello
[22:09] <ahayzen> dkessel, yh i was looking at tht yesterday...
[22:13] <asac> ogra_: :/
[22:13] <asac> ok
[22:24] <dkessel> ahayzen, mhall119 , thanks for your help so far. i am in contact with danielholmen to fix my problems. good bye, see you the other day
[22:24] <ahayzen> dkessel, thanks cyas :)
[22:51] <annerajb> hello everybody
[22:52] <ogra_> asac, dbus is there, build started
[22:53]  * ogra_ vanishes
[22:53] <xnox> asac: that's normal. if it's not considered for >>1h than there are things to fix. otherwise it's typically <<30minutes after fully build across all arches to be copied over into release pocket.
[22:53] <xnox> hmm... it was 4h.
[22:53] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+publishinghistory
[22:58] <annerajb> how can i debug a broken recovery? I installed it on my device but it's giving me a error installing is there anything like a serial connection on desktops for the phone?
[23:12] <RobbyF> sweet. latest build is awesome
[23:13] <RobbyF> can someone remind me/correct me, is there a way to 'exit' an application that your in besides from the home screen
[23:20] <ogra_> asac, build failed, something seems wrong with the buntu-touch-coreapps-drivers PPA i'll check tomorrow
[23:22] <ogra_> rsalveti, sergiusens , ^^^ in case one of you wants to look (no idea whats wrong there ... w3m cadejo.buildd/~buildd/LiveCD/saucy/ubuntu-touch/ from nusakan has the live builder logs)
[23:23] <rsalveti> will check
[23:23] <ogra_> (nothing changed in the code that could have impact on that ... )
[23:24] <ogra_> Fetched 11.4 MB in 31s (364 kB/s)
[23:24] <ogra_> W: Failed to fetch bzip2:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ppa.launchpad.net_ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers_daily_ubu
[23:24] <ogra_> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[23:24] <ogra_> thats the error
[23:25] <rsalveti> right, probably a sync error when fetching the data from launchpad
[23:25] <rsalveti> ogra_: we should trigger it again, want me to do it? so I can watch once it's done
[23:25] <ogra_> well, i'll trigger a new build but wint be around in care it fails
[23:26] <ogra_> running
[23:26] <sergiusens> ogra_: rsalveti seems to be a common ppa issue, jenkins sometimes fails due to this
[23:26] <rsalveti> cool
[23:26] <rsalveti> yeah
[23:26] <ogra_> it is the first time i see it
[23:27] <rsalveti> saw that a few times already
[23:27] <rsalveti> even when running apt-get update
[23:27] <ogra_> k
[23:27] <ogra_> we'll see (well, you, i'll be off :) )


 Will we see Falkon 3.1.0 in the repo any time soon?
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[06:02] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
 <Elton> Afternoon everyone. I was wondering Valerie, when would Kubuntu 19.04 be released? The stable version. Should I install the beta version and later update to the stable version? I have a desktop with a discrete AMD R9 GPU. I'm wondering if it would be stable enough for me to use. @Valoriez
[13:05] <BluesKaj> EEElton 19.04 release date is tomorrow
 <Elton> I have 18.10 currently installed, but it's a bit unstable with high Ram and CPU usage. I have upgraded and downgraded the Plasma editions several times so I think perhaps that's what causes it.
[13:07] <mparillo> Per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscoDingo/ReleaseSchedule April 18th
 @BluesKaj, Oh great. I should wait to download the stable version tomorrow then. Thanks.
 Is there much difference between the beta today, and the stable version tomorrow?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> not much , everything is on freeze atm
 Mm I see.
 I imagine 19.10 would incorporate Plasma 5.16
[13:10] <BluesKaj> nope, it's 5.15.4
[13:11] <BluesKaj> I'm on 19.04
 @EEElton, Correct
 19.03 has 5.15
 *19.04
 I'm really impressed with Kubuntu. Been using it for a year now. While I think the UI widgets can look a bit clunky, that's plasma fault. I think overall Kubuntu OS really provides a polished Linux OS. Quite stable too with incremental and necessary updates.
 @BluesKaj, How is the experience of 19.04 so far?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> EEElton very stable so far for me, but my HW is mostly intel, no nvidia etc so your experience may differ
 @BluesKaj, 19.10 would have Plasma 5.16 then? I should check the wiki. Though it makes sense to incorporate 5.16 in 19.10 and fix the bugs for LTS 20.04
 @BluesKaj, Ah.... Right....I have an AMD GPU. My motherboard has a realtek sound driver as well. The sound isn't very high on Linux, but quite decent on Windows.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> EEElton, open alsamixer in the terminal and set the vol ctrls you use to at least 80%
 @BluesKaj, Oh I have tried that. That controls the master volume as well right?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:26] <BluesKaj> same goes for pavucontrol if you use it
 Yeah I figured.
 You'll update to the stable release once it's out tomorrow right?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> think the release I'm using is mostly up to date already, but i I update/upgrade every day anyway
 @BluesKaj, You upgrade to a new version everytime?
 How stable is the experience so far?
 What tips can you give?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> not a new version everytime , the packages are updated or upgraded, kernel updates are less frequent
 @BluesKaj, But you do base updates when it's out right?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> EEElton, they point release updates are always availble in the repos if that's what you mean
[13:35] <BluesKaj> !repos
[13:36] <BluesKaj> EEElton ^
 Ah I see.
 Clarify for me, if you will - the base releases contain only the package updates and the kernel updated. Anything else I'm missing?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates
 Thanks for this.
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[10:44] <rvba> Tiny maas-test branch up for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~rvb/maas-test/apache-timeout/+merge/199257
[10:46] <jtv> rvba: I can take it.
[10:46] <jtv> I just put a larger one up for review myself:
[10:46] <jtv> https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/api-acquire-not-in-zone/+merge/199258
[19:43] <_bjorne> are that someone here that can answer a question about maas and juju? 3 weeks and not get it function... are that so buggy so that is shit?
[19:45] <_bjorne> im getting error 404 in apache log file when the client try to get user-data. why?


[00:00] <k1l> you can install "ubuntu-desktop"
[00:00] <k1l> that should bring you the whole unity and lightdm
[00:01] <hachre> .
[00:02] <k1l> hachre: you got your connection right?
[00:02] <hachre> not at all
[00:02] <hachre> my client is going crazy
[00:02] <hachre> and spawning more and more connections lol
[00:03] <Elfin> if I reinstall from the new iso, unity should be included, correct?
[00:03] <hachre> im giong to kill it
[00:03] <hachre> brb
[00:03] <k1l> Elfin: yes
[00:03] <Elfin> will it  be default?
[00:03] <k1l> yes
[00:04] <Elfin> perfect. thank you. oh and, do you have a link to an official changelog of some sort for 13.04?
[00:04] <Elfin> though I know some features are being kept secret (rumor)
[00:05] <k1l> there are no secrets
[00:07] <Elfin> well then yes, it is a rumor. is there a changelog somewhere? (im after the most noticeable changes, as I'm coming from 12.04LTS)
[00:21] <[Saint]> Is audio/video being slightly too fast a known issue?
[00:21] <[Saint]> I had a brief look, but I may have fudged the search terms.
[00:22] <Elfin> hmm.. if I'm not mistaken, 13.04 gave me the wrong graphics driver
[00:23] <Elfin> acer says i have Intel HD Graphics (Pentium B960) and Ubuntu says Intel Sandybridge Mobile
[00:35] <Elfin> important question (n00b question though sorry) if I install this daily build, will it update to the release version at release time?
[00:35] <[Saint]> Depending on your settings, yes.
[00:36] <Elfin> so using the disc I create to install on multiple pcs, will be as If I have the release cd just requiring some update? (sorry, I just want to make sure)
[00:37] <Elfin> you see, I'm low on dvds and the iso is bloated
[00:41] <[Saint]> It really doesn't matter how you install it. Whether you burn your own disc, buy one, use the net-installer - doesn't matter.
[00:41] <[Saint]> It will still prompt you (depending on your settings) to upgrade when the release drops.
[00:43] <Elfin> awesome. hopefully when I reinstall unity will come out of the shadows. i dont know if you were here for that issue
[00:43] <[Saint]> ...huh?
[00:44] <Elfin> my installation of raring neglected to have unity, unity shell, greeter, etc. I have to reinstall to hopefully have it.
[00:44] <[Saint]> you did "something wrong)TM)" then.
[00:44] <roasted> Anybody running Chrome?
[00:44] <roasted> I'm unable to install it on 13.04.
[00:45]  * [Saint] uses Chrome on 13.04
[00:45] <roasted> I have two 13.04 machines, one with chrome, one without.
[00:45] <roasted> The one without I just can't win against.
[00:45] <roasted> I run dpkg -i chrome.deb, it of course fails, apt-get -f install, it says 163 MB to be freed, and that's it.
[00:45] <roasted> I can't INSTALL It.
[00:46] <roasted> every single guide on the magical internet tells me to do exactly what I did
[00:46] <[Saint]> you're "doing it wrong(TM)".
[00:46] <[Saint]> http://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel
[00:46] <[Saint]> find your .deb, download it, click it, done.
[00:46] <Elfin> Saint: I bet I did, I will pay closer attention to the install this time.
[00:46] <roasted> that does not solve my problem
[00:46] <roasted> all that does is install chromium
[00:46] <roasted> I want to install chrome ;)
[00:46] <qengho> roasted: chromium-browser is insufficient?
[00:47] <roasted> I'm not implying that. But why am I unable to install chrome?
[00:47] <roasted> clearly it should be possible
[00:47] <roasted> I also noticed with chromium it's continually asking met o "run this time" for flash sites. Unsure about that... if that's just Chromium or what.
[00:47] <qengho> Well, no one in Ubuntu project made that package, and we don't know what's in it, so "should" doesn't mean a lot here.
[00:47] <roasted> I installed it on another system with 13.04, so it "should" be possible.
[00:48]  * [Saint] points out that he is using the packages from the link above, and it is in fact Chrome
[00:48] <roasted> orly?
[00:48] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[00:48] <Elfin> roasted: The run this time means that the plugin is outdated or something similar. It happens in chrome too, even on windows..
[00:48] <roasted> Elfin: I have yet to see that on Chrome on any OS I use. :(
[00:49] <qengho> roasted: a deb you download will do nothing but add a new APT source to your system.
[00:49] <qengho> I think.,
[00:49] <[Saint]> errr...kinda.
[00:49] <[Saint]> it does both.
[00:49] <Elfin> roasted: Maybe Chromium/Chrome doesn't have sufficient privilages to download and install plugin updates. Check your settings.
[00:49] <[Saint]> it installs the package, *and* adds the repo.
[00:49] <roasted> <[Saint] that link still failed
[00:49] <[Saint]> Works for me dude.
[00:50] <[Saint]> I literally just tried it then.
[00:50] <roasted> also, if I run it into software center, , I get Dependency is not satisfiable: libudev0 (>=147)
[00:50] <roasted> hmmm
[00:50] <designbybeck_> any of you running +1 yet in a semi-stable way? and/or if so do you just keep on using that build when the new one comes out this month? or do you do a full install over again?
[00:50] <roasted> brb
[00:50] <trism> yeah, libudev0 was deleted recently, so anyone who already has it can install google-chrome, everyone else fails with a missing dep
[00:50] <[Saint]> designbybeck_: yes - and, why would you?
[00:50] <Elfin> I plan to just update, designbybeck.
[00:51] <Elfin> Furthermore, I am running semi-stable.
[00:51] <qengho> designbybeck_: I've using R, what will be 13.04. I never reinstall.  I installed one machine in 2004 and one in 2008.
[00:51] <Elfin> There is no difference, is there?
[00:52]  * [Saint] too - I installed Ubuntu on this machine ~4 years ago :)
[00:52] <[Saint]> No need to trash the install to update - that's just silly.
[00:53] <Elfin> That's what I figured from our conversation earlier, Saint. I grasp that a reinstall is only needed to fix more serious errors and such.
[00:53] <designbybeck_> haha., didn't know if the "beta" leaves stuff behind or is backwards comaptable if it updates some repos or something like that
[00:53] <qengho> designbybeck_: well, don't run anything that's not released unless you expect to find bugs and report them on Launchpad.
[00:54] <[Saint]> Elfin: fwiw - a reinstall isn't even needed to fix "more serious" errors - people just do so because they're lazy and/or can't figure out how to solve their problems any other way.
[00:54] <[Saint]> you shouldn't ever need to reinstall.
[00:55] <qengho> designbybeck_: but, released is a statement of quality, not a feature of the system.  It shouldn't matter to the computer about "beta" or whatnot, and won't leave stuff behind or whatever.
[00:55] <Elfin> Suppose a buttload of packages wasn't installed. Would you reinstall or would you try to figure out which packages they were and install and configure them all?
[00:55] <[Saint]> the latter.
[00:55] <[Saint]> the former takes way more time.
[00:56] <designbybeck_> i have it running in a VM at the moment, was debating on taking it for a spin on the netbook
[00:56] <designbybeck_> i have 12.10 on there now and it seems fine for the lil' guy
[00:56] <qengho> Elfin: eh?  A metapackage will provide what is the basis of the system.  Installing "ubuntu-deskop" will get everything that was on the CD.
[00:56] <designbybeck_> 1gb/ atom dell 10mini
[00:57] <Elfin> I seem to disagree. I'm missing everything associated with unity, even missing some schemas, and I'm missing various other packages. Also, the wrong graphics driver is installed..
[00:57] <qengho> Elfin: "apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop"
[00:57] <Elfin> policy?
[00:58] <qengho> A wrong package that has an alternate is possible, but a CD wouldn't necessarily get that right either.
[00:58] <Elfin> -_- it says  Installed: (None)
[00:58] <qengho> Then you don't have what's on the CD.
[00:59] <Elfin> lol how is that possible?
[00:59] <qengho> You might have tried to remove a package that WAS on a previous CD, and the "ubuntu-desktop" package Depended on it, so you agreed to remove both.
[01:02] <qengho> Elfin: Or, you didn't use an Ubuntu CD, but another variant.  kubuntu, lubuntu, et c.  Those have different metapackages.
[01:08] <TheElfinGuy> must've lagged out
[01:18] <hachre> I'm not getting any kind of notification about new updates, I've let a test VM run for days - it's now days outdated and the update notification is set to check daily but I'm getting nothing... What's up with that? Is it broken?
[01:20] <roasted> trism: so how does one work around that lack of dependency? I guess it makes sense because my laptop was installed a week ago, but my desktop, just yesterday.
[01:30] <Elfin> lol guys. I burned Ubuntu GNOME to a disc, not the full ubuntu raring..
[01:31] <Elfin> I just ran the disc and it said Ubuntu GNOME
[01:31] <Elfin> So I AM going to reinstall
[01:32] <trism> roasted: someone worked around it earlier by installing the libudev0 package, which is still available here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/175-0ubuntu19 (click your arch under Builds)...otherwise going to have to wait for google to work around it
[03:00] <sary> !bug #1162027
[03:16] <roasted> has anybody added printers yet on 13.04? I'm curious if my printer-box-crashing issue is related to ubuntu gnome 13.04 or 13.04 as a whole.
[03:57] <otend> I think Synaptics pooed the bed.  My touchpad isn't registering clicks right now out of nowhere.
[03:57] <otend> Has this problem been encountered before?
[03:57] <otend> wait
[03:57] <otend> misdiagnosed yet again.  alt-tab is also out.
[03:57] <otend> I'm honestly not sure what's broken now.
[04:46] <hachre> roasted: I can add a printer to test it for you
[04:50] <hachre> roasted: I added a network printer via system-config-printer and it worked like a charm
[04:50] <hachre> roasted: im on unity 13.04 not gnome
[05:49] <sary> in addition to our Discussion earlier today in regards to Chromium project : http://benjaminkerensa.com/2012/06/28/help-wanted-chromium-ppas-for-ubuntu http://goo.gl/2WHr1
[11:25] <qengho> sary: have you seen chromium lately in Ubuntu?  It's very close to up to date, often ahead of Google Chrome, even.
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:28] <streulma> hello, I found 2 bugs
[11:29] <streulma> first, I can't get to the installer disk choose screen on Mac, had to make a new partition table and then it works and then I had to repartition with the installer
[11:29] <streulma> then when I'm on the desktop, I can't change background colors
[12:43] <lq> hello everybody
[12:43] <lq>  my tty1 cant be senn in the screen ,the screen is just black entirely ,other ttys appear the same
[12:44] <lq> how to solve the problem?thank  you my english is poor ,sorry
[12:52] <lq> which window environment do you use now?
[13:19] <Bauer> guys, yesterday for the first time ever, my Linux restarted without my consent.. it showed up suddenly logout screen (where I select restart, shut down etc), I hit Esc, but it still rebooted
[13:19] <Bauer> Are there any logs to tell me what caused it?
[13:19] <Bauer> what triggered it
[13:21] <Bauer> I lost hours of work due to it, I want to know what happend
[13:47] <bjsnider> Bauer, i am very disturbed to hear this
[13:48] <Bauer> bjsnider: me too, those annoying restarts are the main catalyst for changing to linux for met, but the important thing now is to try and figure out what caused it... are there any logs I could look through?
[13:50] <bjsnider> Bauer, are you absolutely sure you didn't hit a key or something?
[13:51] <Bauer> bjsnider: well I specifically have a keyboard without  power keys, and if I did hit something in some weird wicked way, where would such action be logged? in what logfile?
[13:52] <bjsnider> it depends on what desktop you;re running
[13:52] <bjsnider> unity is in .xsession-errors
[13:52] <Bauer> the default one for 13.04, I think its GTK
[13:52] <bjsnider> gnome-shell isn't. don't know about the others
[13:53] <bjsnider> there's the /var/log directory too
[13:54] <bjsnider> you could check syslog there
[13:54] <Bauer> hmm first one has no timestamps.. btw it was a shut down yesterday, not restart (wrote wrong word here..)
[13:56] <bjsnider> well, obviously it's not goin gto automatically shut down
[13:56] <bjsnider> i could see automatic restarts after updates or whatever, but not shutdowns
[13:57] <Bauer> bjsnider: these are the last lines in syslog before system shut down: http://codepad.org/0twxRmnc
[13:57] <Bauer> I think the last 4 lines are relevant
[13:57] <Bauer> not sure what it means however
[13:57] <sublation> notify-osd and exaile are not playing nice together.  I can see the error in the terminal when exaile changes tracks
[13:57] <sublation>     WARNING : error showing OSD notification: Timeout was reached
[13:57] <sublation> WARNING : Perhaps notify-osd is not installed?
[13:58] <sublation> But it is installed and works without issue SOMETIMES
[13:58] <sublation> However, every now and again when the track changes the entire system will hang with no graphical updates on the monitor
[13:58] <sublation> However mouse still moves music still plays.   Wait 20 or 30 seconds for it to timeout and everything goes back to normal
[13:58] <sublation> Can disable Exailes use of notify-osd as a workaround \
[13:58] <sublation> But I want to see what is happening on notify-osd end when exail tries to use it.
[13:59] <sublation> how do I watch in real time what notify-osd is doing?
[13:59] <sublation> like I can with exail run from terminal
[14:04] <sublation> is it even possible?
[14:05] <bjsnider> i'd say so
[14:05] <bjsnider> it would have to be run from a console with a verbose switch though
[14:05] <bjsnider> and i'm not an expert in it
[14:06] <bjsnider> and there's probably no one here who is
[14:06] <sublation> because the problem may not be with how exaile and notify-osd are cooperating but how notify-osd and shitty ass nividia are cooperating
[14:06] <bjsnider> don't use profanity in here
[14:06] <sublation> notify-osd can't be run on its own  i don't think
[14:06] <sublation> sorry.  I have a deep seeded hatred for nividia drivers
[14:06] <bjsnider> sedated
[14:07] <bjsnider> seated i mean
[14:07] <bjsnider> well, you might see more from .xsession-errors, which is updated in real time
[14:07] <sublation> no I meant seeded... as in THEY planted it in me and it grew big and strong
[14:07] <bjsnider> and also running exaile from a console in a heavy verbose mode
[14:21] <GuySoft> hey all, is there a repo for python 2.7.3 for ubuntu 13.04. 2.7.4rc1 is unstable
[14:22] <Bauer> bjsnider: any ideas about the errors from my syslog?
[14:22] <bjsnider> no
[14:23] <Bauer> last 4 are exactly the time it shut down, more or less around 1am
[14:24] <Bauer> how do you suggest I proceed then?
[14:27] <bjsnider> file a bug
[14:29] <Bauer> on launchpad? to what package shall I attribute it?
[14:34] <bjsnider> that's a good question
[16:08] <abhi_> hello
[16:08] <abhi_> using ubuntu 13.04 now
[16:09] <abhi_> i'm having problem with lightdm
[16:09] <k1l> which problem
[16:09] <abhi_> after login my desktop wallpaper isn't coming
[16:09] <abhi_> the lightdm screen coming everytime as wallpaper
[16:09] <abhi_> everything other looking normal
[16:09] <abhi_> panel, unity etc. are normal
[16:10] <k1l> i have the same issue
[16:10] <abhi_> i tried to logout and login again
[16:10] <abhi_> this time no wallpaper is coming
[16:10] <abhi_> a black screen is there as wallpaper
[16:10] <k1l> sometimes its just black and sometimes it stays on the wallpaper with the ubuntu logo and the 13.04 in the left corner
[16:11] <abhi_> k1l: yes, exactly the same
[16:11] <abhi_> my system is up-to-date
[16:11] <abhi_> but problem not solved
[16:12] <abhi_> anyone with any solution?
[16:14] <k1l> i was to lazy to search on launchpad for the bug so far
[16:16] <abhi_> is there any bug report about this?
[16:37] <DJones> I must be the lucky one, I've still got a desktop wallpaper
[16:50] <penguin42> hmm, I've started getting some plasma shell crashes recently
[16:54] <GuySoft> hey all, is there a repo for python 2.7.3 for ubuntu 13.04. 2.7.4rc1 is unstable. i cant develop django apps like that. it broke app virtualenvs
[16:54] <GuySoft> ?
[16:59] <IdleOne> should file a bug on that.
[18:25] <johnjohn101> what is a decent xml viewer/editor?
[18:26] <bazhang> johnjohn101, apt-cache search xml returns some possibilities
[19:15] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, gedit does a good job with context highlighting and whatnot
[19:18] <johnjohn101> i installed something that it doesn't even show the correct stuff
[19:18] <johnjohn101> like wtf
[19:20] <IdleOne> more detail, less swearing
[19:20] <IdleOne> please
[19:22] <johnjohn101> sorry
[19:23] <johnjohn101> xacobeo is reporting the wrong name space
[19:42] <hsn> i am using 13.04 beta, virtual desktop switch is gone?
[19:48] <trism> hsn: I believe it is in System Settings/Appearance/Behavior (to turn it back on)
[19:57] <meetri> can someone help me mount a mac (afp) shared folder on the command line. I want it to automount
[19:58] <hsn> trism: you are right
[20:00] <genii-around> meetri: Probably like:  sudo mount -t afp  //username@server/sharename /mountpoint/place
[20:00] <GuySoft> heyall, how would i go about installing this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/amd64/python/2.7.3-0ubuntu7
[20:01] <bazhang> !addppa | GuySoft
[20:01] <meetri> genii-around, i get unknown filesystem type 'afp'
[20:02] <Pici> that doesn't look like a ppa
[20:02] <meetri> if it's easier to mount smb shares i'm open for that as well. I can do either or.
[20:02] <meetri> btw. they mount find using nautilus
[20:02] <genii-around> meetri: Try leaving out the -t afp     part then and see if it auto-chooses the correct type
[20:03] <hsn> in workspace switcher, i see 2x2 desktop grid and each destkop has yellow rectagle area
[20:03] <genii-around> If it's already mounted in nautilus, try: mount     ..at  the command-line to see what filesystem type is
[20:03] <meetri> genii-around, now i'm getting "mount error(95): Operation not supported"
[20:03] <hsn> and yellow area is about 2/3 of desktop size
[20:04] <genii-around> meetri: Try removing username@   part then. eg just //servername/sharename
[20:05] <GuySoft> bazhang, but ther is no user, its ubuntu , no tilda before the name
[20:08] <GuySoft> bazhang, how can I add a ppa from ubuntu, its not a user
[20:08] <meetri> genii-around, not sure how to make since of the results returned by mount,
[20:08] <meetri> genii-around, this seems like the most relavant line: gvfsd-fuse on /run/user/meetri/gvfs type fuse.gvfsd-fuse
[20:08] <hsn> is there some demo html5 application for checking integration with unity?
[20:08] <GuySoft> isnt there something like debian's snapshots?
[20:09] <bazhang> GuySoft, there is a link that says "downloadable files " and a .deb
[20:09] <bazhang> dl it, and software center will install it
[20:12] <genii-around> meetri: Yes, so gvfs is choosing the correct type automatically, no need to specify with the -t <filetype>  in this case.  And if it does not require username/password you can omit the username@ part as I earlier said
[20:12]  * genii-around wanders back to work
[20:13] <meetri> genii-around, so what i get now is: unknown filesystem type 'afp'
[20:14] <meetri> oops, sorry wrong error: i get "Unable to find suitable address."
[20:25] <GuySoft> bezhang, but i want the whole thing, that would not satisfy dependency problems
[20:27] <bazhang> GuySoft, see the middle left? depends on?
[20:36] <GuySoft> bazhang, ill just have to download ll manually. dependency trees are a mess , ill try replacing 7 packages based on versions
[20:39] <genii-around> meetri: Looks like you may need afpfs-ng and then can do:  sudo mount_afp afp://username:password@servername/sharename /mountpoint
[20:39] <genii-around> Meh
[23:47] <designbybeck> ok so the conclusion, was if you don't care if it is stable or not, install away and play play


[05:55] <twb> Does d-i allow you to install to a degraded md RAID array?
[05:56] <twb> e.g. can I install onto a one-disk RAID1 or a two-disk RAID5, while I wait for the last disk to arrive
[10:44] <ev> michaelforrest1: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/timezone_menu_button_icon.png
[10:50] <ev> and just like that, the menu is getting removed entirely
[10:51] <ev> michaelforrest1: for posterity: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/timezone_menu_open.png
[10:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4153 maverick-redesign/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[10:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Add a new menu button widget.
[10:56] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Wire up the timezone model to the menu button's menu.
[11:02] <CIA-97> ubiquity: evand * r4154 maverick-redesign/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[11:02] <CIA-97> ubiquity: * Get rid of timezone menu button. We had three ways of doing exactly the
[11:02] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  same thing (click on the map, type in an entry with autocomplete, or click
[11:02] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  on the menu button). We were exposing the raw data in a way that was
[11:02] <CIA-97> ubiquity:  unnecessary.
[14:52] <cjwatson> ev: bug 524803 - am I right in thinking that it would simplify usb-creator if all our CDs were hybrid?
[14:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 524803 in syslinux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "isolinux hybrid mode should be used - all other major distributions do so since last year (affects: 4) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/524803
[14:59] <cjwatson> the cost is an extra 100K on CD images, and some considerable thought about how to handle jigdo integration
[15:03] <ev> slightly confused, I thought we were dropping syslinux for grub2
[15:04] <ev> (which would also simplify usb-creator)
[15:04] <ev> cjwatson: ^
[15:05] <cjwatson> we are ultimately, but it's the same principle
[15:05] <cjwatson> that being to have the CD be bootable directly as a USB stick rather than requiring conversion
[15:05] <cjwatson> of course usb-creator would still need to do stuff in order to enable persistent storage
[15:05] <ev> indeed
[15:06] <ev> I suppose it comes down to how long its going to take us to move to grub2 for the CD bootloader.  If it's coming this cycle, I don't see why we should waste the cycles on syslinux work.
[15:06] <cjwatson> it's at risk
[15:08] <ev> ah
[15:08] <ev> well then
[15:09] <cjwatson> that said, experimentation suggests that right now we get to choose between fast jigdo generation and hybrid images; or possibly some hideous hack to tweak the template file post-generation
[15:10] <ev> I'd ideally like to avoid doing any usb-creator work prior to FF as I'm racing to finish the installer redesign.  I'm planning on dropping my other usb-creator work items.  So ideally if we're going to do this, I'd like to make the usb-creator changes as a bug fix in late August.
[15:10] <cjwatson> at least until somebody gets http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=567636 done
[15:10] <ubot2> Debian bug 567636 in src:libisofs "port jigdo template engine to libburnia" [Wishlist,Open]
[15:10] <cjwatson> so, if we can see a way round the other problems, we can do isohybrid without requiring any work in usb-creator
[15:10] <cjwatson> it would just *permit* usb-creator to be simplified
[15:11] <ev> ahh, right
[15:12] <cjwatson> it's still a valid USB image
[15:12] <cjwatson> er, still a valid CD image
[15:12] <ev> indeed
[15:13] <jussi> ev: so you noted I got it installed?
[15:14] <jussi> seems the nodmraid flag didnt do anything. when I did a simple apt-get remove dmraid (which did give an error, but still removed it) and opend the installer, I had disks detected.
[15:17] <ev> jussi: odd
[15:18] <jussi> ev: I agree odd. the above solution was mentioned in a related bug I found, so I gave it a go.
[19:06] <msergei> Question, when Ubuntu-cdimage is building iso for lucid where does it pickup which version of isolinux and menu to use?
[21:48] <msergei> What is the purpose of the apport. It seems if at least one of my seeds does not include apport, installation fails.
[22:06] <superm1> cjwatson, in scroll back i saw a mention that grub for cds is at risk, is that to lead me to think uefi is also at risk too, or are you treating them as mutually exclusive and still looking at possibly being able to have efi grub and syslinux both on the cds then?
[22:07] <superm1> and more importantly, is there anything I can offer to help alleviate risk?
[23:08] <cjwatson> superm1: the bit that's at risk is replacing gfxboot; I plan to get uefi-support done either way
[23:08] <superm1> cjwatson, ah i see, okay :)
[23:09] <cjwatson> it might just involve two boot loaders on the CD and not having gfxboot in the uefi case
[23:32] <CIA-97> ubiquity: superm1 * r4134 ubiquity/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Allow setting a custom title via ubiquity/custom_title_text.


[13:53] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:53] <rick_h_> morn
[14:08] <jrwren> good morning
[14:15] <rick_h_> code review code review everyone loves the code review
[14:16] <jrwren> indeedee do
[17:10] <jrwren> FINALLY got around to writing my per file gpg & upload to s3 script for backup
[17:12] <mrgoodcat> gpg or pgp?
[17:36] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: sorry i dropped the ball on that pull request. i had literally forgotten it existed
[17:48] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: all good, it had a good feature I wanted landed so took it over a bit
[17:48] <jrwren> gpg
[18:12] <cmaloney> afternoon
[18:20] <mrgoodcat> afternoon to you as well
[19:34] <cmaloney> And another afternoon to you too. :)
[20:27] <derekv> if mainly what I wanted to do was to boot some workstation diskless off a fileserver would ltsp be overkill?
[20:27] <derekv> (actually i'm thinking booting from usb and mounting nfs is the most painless route but i'm curious)
[20:55] <jrwren> nope, ltsp is never overkill.
[20:55] <jrwren> ltsp is a great way to boot diskless anything - workstations or servers.
[20:56] <jrwren> I once used ltsp to run a server compute cluster.  :)


[19:46] <Cheri703> Anyone who has interest in capture the flag challenges (with information security stuff), check this out: http://www.reddit.com/r/securityCTF/comments/1t74r8/free_minictf_challenge_web_app_covering_the_owasp/ (disclaimer, it's the company I work for)


[08:53] <nottrobin> Peter: https://github.com/ubuntudesign/www.ubuntu.com/pull/966
[08:53] <nottrobin> sewaddle: Peter: https://github.com/ubuntudesign/www.ubuntu.com/pull/966


[09:19] <cjwatson> sil2100 (CC seb128, wgrant): LP's language pack exports for disco look sensible.  I suggest going ahead and doing a langpack packages build from them.  Any objection to me unhiding translations for disco?
[09:19] <seb128> cjwatson, I though I did that last week?
[09:20] <cjwatson> seb128: Oh.  You disregarded the order on the process wiki page :)
[09:20] <cjwatson> (https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Translations/UbuntuOpenings)
[09:20] <seb128> ah, sorry
[09:21] <cjwatson> Should be no harm done; that part of the process is much less delicate than the start
[09:26] <seb128> k
[09:27] <seb128> cjwatson, but do you know what team has access to the +admin from translations? I think I used to have access to that page (is that the one where there is the box telling if the next export is a full one or a delta?)
[09:31] <sil2100> Seeing that we have the first full language export already, let me kick some base langpacks in some moments
[09:32] <seb128> speaking of langpacks, I got an email of someone wondering why 18.10 isn't getting weejkly ppa updates
[09:32] <seb128> is that something we should have set up and didn't?
[09:34] <cjwatson> seb128: ~ubuntu-translations-coordinators and ~rosetta-admins, I think
[09:47] <Laney> mwhudson: hah
[09:48] <cjwatson> mvo: just a post-sprint reminder to cut down the set of Commands files on cnf-extractor.internal and to tell me what the client actually uses :)
[09:48] <Laney> cjwatson: thanks for that merge
[09:48]  * Laney notices that partman-base is quite far behind in Ubuntu and screams
[09:49] <Laney> WOH someone did actually just merge it
[09:49] <cjwatson> NP.  Good luck with that merge ...
[09:49] <cjwatson> Oh, hah
[09:49] <mvo> cjwatson: thanks! sorry for letting you wait on this, I was on vac but will get to it today :)
[09:49]  * Laney hugs xnox
[09:49] <cjwatson> mvo: It's OK, so was I
[09:50] <Laney> oh right, it was more or less just translations
[09:51] <xnox> and i was away on leave =) back today =)
[10:13] <Laney> :>
[13:04] <cpaelzer> jbicha: juliank; mitya57: vorlon: I have seen that all of you hit retest for tryton-server blocking various things. I haven't found a bug about it at the tryton-server package nor does the issue trigger when run in a local VM
[13:04] <juliank> It's an odd thing
[13:04] <cpaelzer> is there any insight on what is going on there already - after all it is a cross-arch segfault which is odd
[13:04] <mitya57> cpaelzer: it succeeds if you retry it with all-proposed=1, that pulls sqlite3 from -proposed
[13:05] <juliank> it passes in Debian, but used to crash there too
[13:05] <mitya57> see Debian #923038
[13:05] <cpaelzer> mitya57: that might be why it passes for me atm, thanks mitya57
[13:05] <juliank> well, that's helpful
[13:06] <cpaelzer> mitya57: but I see you had triggered sphinx with sqlite3/3.27.2-1 and it still failed a few times
[13:07] <cpaelzer> mitya57: what made the difference eventually?
[13:07] <mitya57> cpaelzer: sqlite3 is part of base chroot so adding it to triggers does not actually upgrade it. Only all-proposed=1 makes it really use the proposed sqlite3.
[13:09] <cpaelzer> thanks
[13:11] <jbicha> ooh, thanks :)
[13:16] <dja> ddstreet: sorry about the chaos for LP: #1818340 ! Was not my intention to leave you with that sort of time bomb!
[13:18] <dja> ddstreet: by the way, is there anything in git-ubuntu to make dealing with quilt less painful? Like to turn a git patch into a debian/patches/ patch? I ended up doing it with a bunch of awful intermediate steps when I was working on the original bug and have lost all the command history, so I sort of gave up for this.
[13:20] <ddstreet> dja no prob, it happens :)
[13:20] <ddstreet> re: git ubuntu, i dont think there is anything yet that easily will turn normal git patches that you've applied already into d/p/ patches
[13:21] <ddstreet> you can just quilt import a git patch, but of course if it needs adjustment, the quilt push will fail and you'll have to hand-edit it, which can be quite annoying
[13:22] <dja> Ah I wonder why I never thought of that
[13:22] <dja> or maybe I did and they just never worked
[13:22] <dja> oh well
[13:22] <dja> It's late here so I will be interested to read your comments on the bug tomorrow!
[13:22] <ddstreet> yep, i'll try to dig into it and see what i can find :)
[13:22] <ddstreet> thnx!
[13:33] <cjwatson> git-dpm and git-buildpackage both have various approaches to let you work on a separate patched branch and have that be automatically serialised into debian/patches/.  If you use those systematically then you never have to touch quilt.  Do read the documentation in depth first though.
[13:40]  * juliank loves gbp pq
[13:41] <juliank> One thing I don't like is that it reexports unmodified patches, so you can't just import the patches, and add your own when you want to make a change on a package not using it
[13:41] <juliank> because you get unrelated changes that way
[14:43] <rbasak> tjaalton: just glanced at your libxkbcommon upload to Bionic. While you're fixing up the changelog, I'm of the opinion that the changelog should explain what is being fixed in the SRU itself, since users actually read those.
[14:43] <tjaalton> rbasak: alright
[14:44] <rbasak> Like "sync packaging to allow coinstallation of i386 and amd64 (LP: #XXXXXX)" or similar would be better for example.
[14:44] <rbasak> I'm interested to know if others on the SRU team would agree.
[14:44] <tjaalton> I'll just copy the entry from 0.8.0-2
[14:44] <rbasak> (so this isn't a hard reject if someone else thinks that's OK, etc)
[14:44] <tjaalton> and upload again
[14:44] <tjaalton> no big deal
[14:44] <tjaalton> it should show on the diff though, but I know users don't read that far
[14:45] <rbasak> Agreed. I'd prefer users to want to take SRUs, rather than react with "yet another SRU? why?!"
[14:46] <rbasak> Thanks :)
[14:46] <tjaalton> dropped the old one too
[15:30] <rbalint> i would like to create the ubuntu-wsl metapackage (to help us adding utilities later) but i can't find any process for that
[15:31] <rbalint> should i just go ahead and prepare and upload it and let the archive admins decide or i should update ubuntu-meta?
[15:33] <rbalint> btw is there a vcs for ubuntu-meta?
[15:34] <rbasak> I'm not very familiar with ubuntu-meta. I have only used it to regenerate seed-generated metapackages.
[15:34] <rbasak> I don't believe there's a VCS.
[15:34] <rbasak> Does ubuntu-meta do non-seed-based metapackages? I' m not aware of that.
[15:36] <cjwatson> It's of course technically possible but IMO it shouldn't.  If you want something in ubuntu-meta, add a seed for it
[15:37] <rbalint> cjwatson, i'm ready to do that if that's the process
[15:37] <cjwatson> There at least never used to be a VCS for ubuntu-meta because so much of it was autogenerated that there didn't seem a great deal of point
[15:38] <rbalint> rbasak, cjwatson, since i need to add ubuntu-wsl to ubuntu-meta's i guess i need to update the seed first, then upload an updated ubuntu-meta
[15:39] <juliank> I was just wondering: How would I i18n a string like "%d updates are available, %d are security updates"
[15:39] <juliank> There are variants for each %d
[15:39] <rbalint> cjwatson, my imagined point would be to agree on a change first before it hits the archive
[15:39] <juliank> like this one needs 4 variants in english
[15:49] <rbasak> juliank: some discussion here: https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_node/Plural-forms.html
[18:06] <sil2100> cjwatson, seb128: base langpack importer is running
[18:26] <seb128> sil2100, great
[21:55] <rbalint> cjwatson, rbasak i'm adding the wsl seed, i hope it is ok this way https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/364003
[21:59] <infinity> rbalint: There seems to be a lot of duplication there with minimal.
[22:00] <infinity> rbalint: Is this all to avoid having init?
[22:22] <rbalint> infinity, yes there is a lot of duplication with minimal, but wsl does not need initramfs-tools
[22:22] <rbalint> infinity, no, it is about pulling in wslu and pulling in packages later when they show up in the archive
[22:23] <rbalint> infinity,  minimal is too much for wsl