[10:24] <Jeroe1> does anybody know where this icon is located on my filesystem? I like it a lot and would like to use it somewhere else, but can't seem to find it: http://bayimg.com/mAgOeaabP
[03:19] <lapo> hi
[05:34] <Locuaz> hello .. .can somebody help me?
[05:35] <Locuaz> if there is some windows emulator i love ubuntu but i need some programs. like 3dsmax or vectorworks.. working in ubuntu... please some body cantell if thereis some emulator windows.


[00:12] <Brian_H> bkerensa: where is your blog/review of tech products posted?
[02:49] <Gerty_> Just moved to Eugene. Can anyone recommend an ISP?
[02:55] <tgm4883> Gerty_, IDK, Comcast? I could ask at work tomorrow
[02:56] <Gerty_> I feel like every time I move to a new place, people say "IDK, Comcast/TimeWarner/Verizon?" Just thought I'd put it out there and see if there's any locally ones and zeroes. Artisinal ones and zeroes. You know. Organic.
[02:57] <tgm4883> Gerty_, I'll agree with that, but there isn't usually a lot of variety in ISP's these days
[02:57] <tgm4883> Maybe in some of the smaller towns where they rolled out fibre, but I doubt in Eugene
[03:13] <bkerensa> Brian_H: http://technorati.com/technology/gadgets
[03:14] <bkerensa> Brian_H: I will likely be trying to write for someone else in the future... Technorati imho is headed to a obsolete future
[03:15]  * bkerensa has also contributed to IntenseBlog and BlogCritics (Also owned by Technorati Media)
[03:15] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I think Eugene might be Charter
[03:16] <tgm4883> bkerensa, could be
[03:16] <bkerensa> My grandmother is in Coos Bay and all they have is Comcast
[03:16] <bkerensa> and Frontier
[03:41] <bkerensa> got me a new tripod for my flipcam today :D
[04:52] <C_Smith> good evening.
[05:11] <bkerensa> Hi C_Smith
[05:11] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Did you enjoy the jam? I know you took some pics for flickr
[05:12] <C_Smith> yes, I enjoyed it very much, I just have to find my MicroSD card so I can get the pics off of my cell phone and onto my PC and ultimately to Flicker.
[05:14] <C_Smith> bkerensa, did you get my last message?
[05:14] <bkerensa> C_Smith: No?
[05:14] <C_Smith> "yes, I enjoyed it very much, I just have to find my MicroSD card so I can get the pics off of my cell phone and onto my PC and ultimately to Flicker."
[05:14] <bkerensa> cool
[05:15] <bkerensa> how many pics did you get?
[05:15] <C_Smith> about 5 I wanna say, but that may be wrong.
[05:15] <bkerensa> cool
[05:15] <bkerensa> my photos are up on flickr.com/bkerensa
[05:15] <C_Smith> doing some last minute configurations to Ubuntu before I head to bed, ugh, school tomorrow.
[05:17] <bkerensa> oh yeah summer is over :)
[05:18] <C_Smith> that it is.
[05:20] <C_Smith> so, the fact that we're not an approved team is due to what, again?
[05:24] <C_Smith> well, I'd better be off, cya
[05:24] <bkerensa> C_Smith: We just need to do a bit more work :)
[06:16] <Kitty-> hey
[08:19] <bkerensa> hmm
[08:23] <bkerensa> I'm giving Oneiric (Unity) a two week trial period... I tried Alpha and didnt much care for Unity so we will see
[08:23] <bkerensa> =/
[08:24] <bkerensa> Gnome FTW
[08:26] <bkerensa> Hmmm Unity borked Rythmbox
[13:58] <shantorn> good morning
[14:18] <bdmurray> bkerensa: if you give me some more details I might be able to sort out where your bug mail is coming from
[15:29] <C_Smith> g'day
[15:51] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I found out it was because of my doc team membership
[15:51] <Brian_H> morning
[15:52] <bdmurray> bkerensa: okay cool.  How as the Jam?
[15:52] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Pretty fun... Good turnout so far I think it was the biggest Jam in the U.S. ;) maybe we can get you to make an appearance at a Ubuntu Hour sometime?
[15:53]  * bkerensa will buy your first drink
[15:53] <bkerensa> :D
[15:53] <bdmurray> Ah an Ubuntu Hour would be good!
[15:56] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Your out in Washington County or Multnomah? I was talking to Brian_H about possibly doing one out near Beaverton sometime
[15:56] <bkerensa> We will be having a Ubuntu Hour and Release Party in October
[15:56] <bdmurray> bkerensa: Actually I'm in Camas now
[15:57] <Brian_H> I'll show up :)
[15:57] <bkerensa> bdmurray: So your downstream from shirgall ;)
[15:58]  * bkerensa needs to go to Washington someday..... I wanna plan a trip to Seattle soon plus I will be going to LinuxFestNW next year
[15:58] <shirgall> bkerensa: No, he's upstream
[15:59] <shirgall> shirgall: Camas is upstream from Vancouver, I'm downstream from it
[15:59] <shirgall> shirgall: And now I'm talking to myself, whee
[15:59] <bdmurray> The stream being a big river in this case
[15:59] <bkerensa> Indeed
[16:00]  * bkerensa looked at the Google Maps upside down
[16:00] <bdmurray> Anyway Beaverton would be challenging but downtown isn't so bad
[16:01] <shirgall> bkerensa: For us, the bridge traffic must always be considered
[16:01] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Downtown is preferred for me
[16:01] <bkerensa> shirgall: Indeed
[16:01] <shirgall> bkerensa: Even meeting at Jantzen Beach can be... challenging when the bridge is not cooperating
[16:03] <bkerensa> shirgall: Hmm never been to WA at all ;)
[16:03] <shirgall> bkerensa: It's like Portland with no income tax and better roads
[16:04] <bkerensa> shirgall: Anything is a improvement on Portland words.... Its like medieval down here at times
[16:04] <shirgall> bkerensa: Of course I'm way out in farmland, way outside the urban growth boundary
[16:05] <shirgall> bkerensa: I usered to live and work downtown 8 years ago, I remember.
[16:05] <bkerensa> shirgall: So essentially the gig is living in Washington (Pay no income tax) then do all your shopping or a majority of it in Oregon (No Sales Tax)?
[16:06] <shirgall> bkerensa: I admit I do most of my shopping at Amazon.com, and I do end up paying sales tax
[16:06] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:07] <bkerensa> shirgall: you must buy a lot of stuff on Amazon?  I don't do them, I buy from a local butcher with local animals
[16:08] <bdmurray> shirgall: what butcher?
[16:08] <bkerensa> shirgall: Nah.... Its some other meat slinger they charged me $40 for 5 chicken breasts
[16:08] <shirgall> bdmurray: There's one in Ridgefield
[16:09] <shirgall> bdmurray: I usually go in on half a steer or something like that every 6 months or so
[16:09] <shirgall> bkerensa: wow, that's way out there
[16:09] <shirgall> bkerensa: were they gold-plated chickens/
[16:10] <C_Smith> so, why is the team not official, again? I've forgotten, darn my poor memory
[16:11] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Because we have yet to jump through the neccesary process
[16:11] <bkerensa> C_Smith: We are an official LoCo.... Just not "Approved"
[16:11] <C_Smith> ah, ok, I was thinking it was part of the effects of the failed merge of us, Washington and California.
[16:12] <C_Smith> and Approved is what I meant, got the 2 confused. XD
[16:12] <bkerensa> C_Smith: There is only really one benefit to approval and that is printed cd's each release cycle
[16:12] <C_Smith> ah, ok
[16:13] <C_Smith> anyway, like I have said, whenever someone can get me what needs to be edited on the team's wiki, I can get started on that.
[16:13] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Kinda like Ubuntu Membership its not about perks or gain just a process to signify your making a contribution.... I think they might add more incentive in the future based on some discussions I have seen but who knows
[16:13] <C_Smith> ah, I see.
[16:13] <bkerensa> C_Smith: I will pm you in a second
[16:13] <C_Smith> cool
[16:15] <bkerensa> C_Smith: I will probably apply for approval in October though right around the same time I apply for membership
[16:15] <C_Smith> cool
[16:16] <bkerensa> bdmurray: So sad the new bug-indicator obviously doesnt work in Unity ;)
[16:16] <C_Smith> also, if anyone needs it, I can make a 11.10 CD, although CDs are kinda outdated.
[16:16] <shirgall> bkerensa: which one is that one? I don't have any lp-related indicators
[16:17] <C_Smith> Bkerensa, are you talking about an Apport applet?
[16:18] <shirgall> I admit that I add the indicator-weather and indicator-cpufreq :)
[16:19] <bkerensa> shirgall: Umm some gnome applet Jono posted about a day or two ago
[16:19] <bkerensa> I just upgraded to Oneiric and am trying to adjust =/
[16:19] <bkerensa> shirgall: How do I add indicators in Unity? I added some via ppa and apt-get install but can figure out how to actually add
[16:20] <shirgall> bkerensa: I upgraded to Oneiric on my main machine over the weekend too
[16:20] <shirgall> bkerensa: Alt-F2 and search for indicator to run it, once you run them they often get added to startup applications
[16:21] <bkerensa> kk
[16:23] <C_Smith> I add the battery applet to Unity in 11.04 just by running a command (can't remember what it was), this is not the GNOME battery Applet (which is useless in 11.04 and backwards) this is Battery-status I'm talking about. I run it from a library it installs in /usr/lib and adding --indicator, not sure if other applets work in a similar manner.
[16:24] <C_Smith> holy great wall of text, batman!
[16:27] <bkerensa> shirgall: I wish they would make a Unity panel or somehow let me make this bar smaller and drag is elsewhere
[16:28] <shirgall> bkerensa: which bar?
[16:28] <shirgall> shirgall: the one on top?
[16:28] <bkerensa> The Unity Bar
[16:28] <bkerensa> :D
[16:28] <bkerensa> Sidebar
[16:28] <shirgall> it's almost always hidden when I do things
[16:29] <bkerensa> yeah but I would like it at bottom of screen like a dock instead of on the side constantly wiggling
[16:29] <bkerensa> :P
[16:29] <shirgall> Why is it constantly wiggling?
[16:29] <shirgall> Shouldn't wiggle unless you get near
[16:30] <bkerensa> Xchat activity
[16:30] <bkerensa> ;)
[16:30] <shirgall> I admit I use irssi in a maximum terminator window w/bybou so I don't see that
[16:30] <bkerensa> better yet why couldnt a working version of gnome fallback be provided :)
[16:32] <shirgall> That stuff isn't up to me, I'm an old fvwm fan :)
[16:32] <bkerensa> Who is it up to? Surely not the community at large ;) I don't remember being presented with a survey :P
[16:32] <shirgall> bkerensa: it was discussed at UDS
[16:33] <bkerensa> peh :P
[16:33] <C_Smith> I use Pidgin for IRC, MSN and Xfire.
[16:33] <bkerensa> A small fraction of the Ubuntu Community attends UDS :P
[16:33] <shirgall> bkerensa: and besides, there's many fallbacks
[16:33] <bkerensa> yeah
[16:33] <bkerensa> xfce
[16:33] <bkerensa> ;)
[16:33] <bkerensa> kde is not an option for me
[16:33] <shirgall> bkerensa: There are many ways to attend, in person, via IRC+soundcast, and the communities have several ways of handling feedback
[16:34] <bkerensa> =o
[16:34] <bkerensa> oh I had no idea they did soundcast and irc
[16:34] <C_Smith> KDE for me crashes too much, literally every 5-30 minutes. especially when I'm using Wine.
[16:34] <shirgall> xfce, fvwm, unity-2d, gnome3 will be working soon enough...
[16:34] <shirgall> I haven't played with kde, or wine, in a long time
[16:39] <bkerensa> shirgall: Why would Canonical ship me a package and not even let me know what it is? I'm assuming its a Conference Kit since I requested one but mind you I requested it after 7pm on a Thursday and the next morning got a UPS e-mail saying it had been shipped
[16:39] <bkerensa> so my assumption is it is a conf kit but perhaps Mark S sent me a petite lap giraffe
[16:39] <bkerensa> :D
[16:40] <shirgall> bkerensa: I have no way to know
[16:41] <bkerensa> :D
[16:41] <bkerensa> Canonical is a mystery to me :P you all work remotely and send packages in clandestine manner :P
[16:41] <bkerensa> well it should be here within the hour so I guess I'll find out
[16:42] <shirgall> bkerensa: Run silent, run deep
[16:42] <bkerensa> LOL
[16:57] <bkerensa> shirgall: You seen the Raspberrypi's? I'm on a list to get one in November
[16:57] <shirgall> bkerensa: I haven't played with one
[16:58] <C_Smith> I've seen the Raspberry Pi's. interesting piece of machinery.
[16:58] <C_Smith> although I'm not exactly sure what it's for.
[16:58] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Its a computer ;)
[16:59] <bkerensa> C_Smith: You can run Ubuntu on one
[16:59] <shirgall> bkerensa: Got pandaboards for that :)
[17:02] <shirgall> Still, at 1/5 the price, it's an interesting item
[17:03] <shirgall> bkerensa: What I prefer about that OMAP4-based board is that it has a full complement of ports... HDMI, USB, Ethernet...
[17:04] <C_Smith> Bkerensa, then that's a small PC.
[17:04] <shirgall> bkerensa: Hrm, Broadcom BCM2835 I haven't played with yety
[17:04] <shirgall> C_Smith: If by small you mean "USB key sized" :)
[17:05] <C_Smith> yep, and that's a tiny PC compared even to Netbooks.
[17:05] <shirgall> C_Smith: yeah, the pandaboard is about 6"x6"x2"
[17:05] <C_Smith> you'd still probably need a monitor, though.
[17:06] <C_Smith> most TVs will serve that purpose well, though.
[17:15] <bkerensa> Well the box from Canonical arrived its lanyards and stickers galore to give out at puppetconf
[17:16] <bkerensa> but no CD's? Weird I thought were supposed to get 75
[17:16] <bkerensa> oh wait I gotta order those via http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ but shipit is down
[17:17] <C_Smith> bkerensa, with 11.04, Canonical said they are discontinuing Shipit.
[17:18] <bkerensa> C_Smith: Thats only for end users
[17:18] <bkerensa> ;)
[17:18] <C_Smith> ah, I see.
[17:18] <bkerensa> LoCo Leads are still able to use it for conf cd's
[17:18] <C_Smith> is Cloud computing really all it's cracked up to be?
[17:31] <shirgall> C_Smith: Depends on what you want to do with it
[17:35] <bkerensa> C_Smith: I take that back apparently Canonical doesnt do CD's at all for unapproved teams anymore and just forgot to update the wiki covering this :P but Approved teams can request CD's for conferences and once a release cycle.
[18:07] <C_Smith> well, apparently Banshee transfers MP4 Videos just fine, but not .M4V videos..... is there a good converter for .M4V to .MP4?
[18:07] <thefinn93> VLC
[18:08] <C_Smith> VLC converts?
[18:08] <thefinn93> yes
[18:08] <C_Smith> hmmmm, never knew it could, and I've used it quite a bit for playing videos.
[18:09] <thefinn93> Media -> Convert/Save
[18:09] <shirgall> C_Smith: ffmpeg is good for converting things
[18:09] <thefinn93> yeah but ffmpeg is all command line which gets really confusing when you've got that many options
[18:10] <thefinn93> imo
[18:10] <shirgall> thefinn93: I agree, but when you're trying to get it right, ffmpeg doesn't hide anything from you
[18:10] <thefinn93> true,
[18:10] <thefinn93> but for M4V to MP4, VLC will do fine
[18:12] <C_Smith> cool, never really got the hang of ffmpeg.
[18:19] <bkerensa> thefinn93: You going with me to Hillsboro? To see the crane
[18:19] <thefinn93> no
[18:20] <thefinn93> trying to root this tab
[18:20] <bkerensa> good luck with that
[18:21] <thefinn93> thx
[18:21] <thefinn93> it looks promising
[18:22] <thefinn93> the seemingly accepted method of rooting uses an adb exploit
[18:22] <thefinn93> which this obviously has
[18:25] <C_Smith> well, VLC didn't seem to like converting it, I'll try using this GUI I found for FFMpeg
[18:25] <thefinn93> WinFF?
[18:25] <C_Smith> yep
[18:25] <thefinn93> good
[18:26] <C_Smith> meh, don't see the option for that in it.
[18:35] <thefinn93> bkerensa, can i (try) to root this tab or do you still need more stuff with it?
[18:44] <C_Smith> not sure what "rooting a tab" means, but whatever.
[18:45] <thefinn93> tablet
[18:45] <thefinn93> an android tablet
[18:45] <thefinn93> i'm rooting
[18:45] <thefinn93> it
[18:45] <C_Smith> ah, I see.
[18:45] <thefinn93> as in jumping from an unprivileged user to root
[18:45] <C_Smith> rooting the tablet is like jailbreaking an Iphone?
[18:45] <thefinn93> yes
[18:45] <C_Smith> ok, I see.
[18:46] <thefinn93> and this isn't specific to tablets
[18:46] <thefinn93> android devices in general
[18:46] <C_Smith> ah, cool
[18:46] <thefinn93> but i think this device might have come pre-rooted
[18:46] <thefinn93> which is unheard of AFAIK
[18:46] <C_Smith> so, you could jailbreak a Droid phone per se?
[18:47] <thefinn93> yep
[18:47] <thefinn93> except it's called Rooting not Jailbreaking
[18:47] <thefinn93> because Android is a fork of linux
[18:47] <C_Smith> ooops, my mistake.
[18:47] <thefinn93> basically, when you get an android phone (or device)
[18:48] <thefinn93> the user that you're running as
[18:48] <thefinn93> isn't a sudoer (so can't use sudo)
[18:48] <thefinn93> rooting it basically makes the person a sudoer
[18:48] <C_Smith> cool
[18:48] <thefinn93> yep
[18:49] <C_Smith> speaking of which, I find myself using sudo apt-get a lot..... really much more useful than the software center when you know the package name you need.
[18:49] <thefinn93> absolutely
[18:49] <thefinn93> the software center is for non-technical users
[18:54] <tgm4883> working from the command line is almost always faster than doing it in a GUI
[18:54] <tgm4883> *if you know what you are doing
[18:54] <shirgall> C_Smith: I admit to using synaptic, especially when I'm looking at what packages and versions are in ppas for comparison puropses
[18:55] <shirgall> and forcing package versions for that matter
[18:55] <C_Smith> synaptic i've actually found useful when i have broken dependancies. when 11.10 goes stable, Synaptic is going on it.
[18:56] <C_Smith> and the only forced install I've ever done is the set of programs for Lightscribe on a 64-bit OS (the apps only come in i386 architecture.)
[18:57] <C_Smith> yes, I used 11.10 beta, but for me, it was bad, couldn't use most of the stuff I need. so I went back to 11.04
[18:57] <shirgall> C_Smith: it took a couple days, but I got all my normal flow stabilized now
[18:58] <tgm4883> what was wrong with 11.10?
[18:58] <C_Smith> meh, most of the stuff I use only has packages for 11.04 and below.
[18:58] <C_Smith> wine even only has packages for that.
[18:59] <C_Smith> since 11.10 is only in beta, most developers are gonna concentrate on 11.04 until the final release of 11.10
[18:59] <C_Smith> most of the stuff I use comes directly from a PPA.
[19:01] <shirgall> C_Smith: most of the PPAs I grab things from had oneiric branches, I admit
[19:01] <C_Smith> yeah, I haven't found that in the ones I use.
[19:02] <C_Smith> and when I tried to run a program that needs opengl, it crashes because the library for it isn't installed correctly in a new 11.10 installation.
[19:02] <C_Smith> I find that especially with wine there.
[19:03] <shirgall> C_Smith: mesa? vdpau? dri?
[19:03] <C_Smith> some library to do with drivers.
[19:03] <shirgall> C_Smith: remember that when you do upgrades, it's best to purge the ppas first and then relayer back on
[19:03] <C_Smith> possibly mesa, can't say for sure.
[19:03] <C_Smith> actually, I did a clean install.
[19:03] <shirgall> C_Smith: it's especially true with X edgers
[19:03] <C_Smith>  mainly because my PC name was just "c"
[19:03] <shirgall> oh, hrm
[19:04] <C_Smith> so a clean install (as in wiping the current installation and installing 11.10) means I can rename the PC.
[19:04] <C_Smith> I use xorg edgers quite a bit.
[19:09] <tgm4883> well, most stuff that would be in PPA's should be in the official repos right?
[19:09] <shirgall> tgm4883: not everythign makes it into universe quickly
[19:10] <tgm4883> shirgall, you are talking about brand new stuff then?
[19:10] <shirgall> tgm4883: yeah, that's why I use PPAs is for stuff that's not done yet :)
[19:10] <tgm4883> But.... If it's brand new, it can't be in 11.04
[19:11] <tgm4883> If there is a PPA for it for 11.04, then it can't be new
[19:11] <tgm4883> if it's brand new, it wasn't around for 11.04
[19:11] <tgm4883> see what I'm saying
[19:11] <shirgall> tgm4883: you'd be surprised how long it takes for some things, or certain pieces of functionality, to eventually make it into universe
[19:12] <tgm4883> shirgall, source required*
[19:12] <shirgall> tgm4883: of course
[19:12] <tgm4883> I know exactly how long it takes to get stuff into universe
[19:12] <shirgall> tgm4883: if there's no source, it might make it into partners, depends on what it is
[19:13] <shirgall> well, for example there's some features in indicator-weather that are not available except from the PPA
[19:13] <shirgall> anyway, it's not like I have a lot of them
[19:13] <C_Smith> tgm, you'd be surprised at how much is in PPAs but isn't in the main software channels. take Super Boot Manager for example, it's not in the official repositories, but it IS in a seperate PPA.
[19:14] <tgm4883> shirgall, isn't gnome-panel gone in 11.10?
[19:14] <tgm4883> C_Smith, so that sounds more like lazy developers though
[19:14] <shirgall> tgm4883: indicator-weather's oneiric build works fine for me
[19:15] <C_Smith> well, I don't know how a dev would get their software into the official channel. so I wouldn't know.
[19:15] <tgm4883> C_Smith, there is a process for it
[19:15] <tgm4883> adhere to some rules, and it is in
[19:15] <C_Smith> ok
[19:16] <tgm4883> shirgall, so if there is a oneiric build, why isn't it in the repos?
[19:16] <C_Smith> I don't have any official coding knowledge (should get back to learning Python, this is getting ridiculous) so I have no reason to make a program that don't work whatsoever.
[19:16] <shirgall> tgm4883: I dunno, the version in the repos is older
[19:34] <C_Smith> hmmmm, using ffmpeg via command line seems easier than I thought.
[19:35] <C_Smith> and I can go directly to the format I'm looking for without searching menus.
[19:35] <C_Smith> well, I'll just let this finish, come back later on.
[19:35] <C_Smith> cya
[19:39] <bkerensa> It sucks that Freegeek might abandon Ubuntu =/
[20:00] <Kitty-> wha?
[20:00] <Kitty-> why?
[21:40] <el_seano> primarily because it seems like the hardware requirements for the newer releases are scaling up pretty drastically.
[21:41] <el_seano> we already have a hard time with a lot of older P4 systems that can't run Lucid without patches, if at all.
[21:41] <el_seano> but, it's still under discussion.
[21:41] <el_seano> and Lucid is still supported for another couple of years, I think.
[21:42] <el_seano> (for the desktop version, if I'm remembering right)
[21:47] <Brian_H> too bad the lxde ubuntu port isn't quite there yet
[21:47] <Brian_H> I tried it out, but there was still some major issues with it
[22:15] <shirgall> el_seano: unity-2d is supposed to be making it so the hardware requirements are not so painful... if it's not working for you, please let me know
[22:16] <el_seano> shirgall: testing to follow :)
[22:17] <el_seano> one of the biggest issues is early Athlon XP and Mobile Pentium 4s choking on Lucid, as well as incompatibility with the 828{45,55}G graphics chipsets
[22:17] <tgm4883> xubuntu?
[22:18] <shirgall> el_seano: Ah, Lucid has it s struggles, that's true, early unity-2d hits in Maverick
[22:19] <shirgall> el_seano: xfce is pretty much where you want to be with Lucid
[22:20] <el_seano> I think we actually lean more towards lxde, though i've had good experiences with xfce in the past.
[22:29] <Brian_H> I played with the lubuntu release, but there were some key things it failed on like drive encryption (that was a show stopper since we have to have all laptops encrypted)
[22:29] <Brian_H> other than that I think its got potential
[22:45] <tgm4883> Brian_H, I'm hoping there is some education with full drive encryption as well
[22:46] <tgm4883> since it isn't the end all be all that people make it out to be
[22:47] <Brian_H> we have to have it for business data, thats why we require it :)
[22:49] <C_Smith> hmmm, I need to fine-tune what bitrates I convert videos at.
[22:50] <tgm4883> Brian_H, understandable, I just see a lot of people think they are totally secure with full disk encryption and get no further education on it.  :D
[22:51] <tgm4883> Brian_H, powering off your desktop doesn't protect you 100% either though
[22:52] <tgm4883> A targeted attack+time will still yield access to your data
[22:52] <tgm4883> time being 1-2 days
[22:54] <Brian_H> true
[22:54] <C_Smith> gah, ffmpeg takes a loooooong time to transcode a video.......
[22:54] <C_Smith> but any transcoder takes time, eh?
[22:55] <shirgall> C_Smith: yeah, in general ffmpeg is pretty efficient
[22:55] <tgm4883> C_Smith, I think I use handbrake and IIRC I do ~30 FPS
[22:55] <shirgall> C_Smith: it just takes what it takes :/
[22:55] <tgm4883> 30-40 I think
[22:56] <C_Smith> when encoding a file on my hard disk, I get 74 fps in ffmpeg.
[22:56] <C_Smith> that doesn't include dvds, just videos on my hard disk.
[22:56] <C_Smith> brb
[22:56] <tgm4883> The above is for my DVDs -> h264 conversions
[22:57] <tgm4883> I'd have to check the settings on it, but IIRC I'm doing pretty high quality
[22:57] <tgm4883> for DVD's that is, so still not a super high quality :/
[23:00] <shirgall> tgm4883: 480p is nothign to laugh at
[23:01] <tgm4883> 480p isn't something to write home about either
[23:02] <shirgall> tgm4883: It's pretty good on most TVs, and 480i served three generations fine :)
[23:03] <tgm4883> shirgall, by that definition, we don't need computers. As typewriters have been around forever.
[23:04] <shirgall> tgm4883: That's not a definition, but most youtube video is 360p, let alone 480p or higher
[23:04] <tgm4883> (insert reference to records, horse and buggy, wooden ships)
[23:04] <tgm4883> yea, and on a full screen 360p looks like crap
[23:05] <shirgall> You're not going to find 1080p sources for all of your DVDs yet, I'm sure... there's a lot of stuff not yet on Blu-Ray that I want
[23:05] <tgm4883> shirgall, true, but given the choice, I think it is clear (no pun intended)
[23:05] <shirgall> And a lot of stuff can't do better than 480p... lots of shot-on-video work
[23:06] <tgm4883> true, a lot of the home grown stuff is going to be low quality
[23:06] <tgm4883> along with some of the smaller studios/small budget films
[23:06] <shirgall> tgm4883: I'm talking about mainstream television stuff until the 90s
[23:07] <tgm4883> shirgall, yes a lot of television stuff from that time period will be low quality
[23:07] <tgm4883> They didn't bother to do it on high quality gear
[23:07] <C_Smith> and I R Back.
[23:07] <C_Smith> xD
[23:07] <shirgall> tgm4883: there was no reason to, when TVs only did 480i
[23:08] <tgm4883> shirgall, again... for television
[23:08] <shirgall> tgm4883: crapload more content for television than for film
[23:08]  * tgm4883 just got turned down for a job at google :(
[23:08] <C_Smith> awwww. sorry to hear.
[23:09] <tgm4883> shirgall, quantity != quality
[23:09]  * C_Smith gives tgm4883 a pat on the back
[23:09] <tgm4883> thanks
[23:09] <tgm4883> hopefully my other job interview will have turned out better
[23:09] <tgm4883> although I was less confident with that one, as they wanted a bunch of enterprise hardware experience
[23:09] <tgm4883> i has none :(
[23:10] <shirgall> tgm4883: I'm not sure why we're going down this path. I started by pointing out that most content is 480p and its quality is reasonable for most purposes. I stand by that.
[23:10] <C_Smith> I hear ya, I have none of that myself.
[23:10] <tgm4883> shirgall, reasonable for most purposes? I suppose you are correct, if I want to know what happened in the show I can get it from that recording
[23:11] <C_Smith> yay!!! ffmpeg finished! now to do a quality check on the audio and video
[23:11] <tgm4883> shirgall, but I stand by that, given the choice, I'm going to go with the 1080p version
[23:12] <tgm4883> heck, given a show with better content at 480i and a show with slightly less content at 1080p i'm choosing the 1080p version
[23:12] <C_Smith> hmmmm, better, not quite there, though
[23:12] <C_Smith> video is good, sound, not so much
[23:14] <shirgall> tgm4883: you're talking to someone that's been watching Breaking Bad and the Walking Dead in SD and buying the blu-rays a year later, I know what you mean, but I'm not gonna watch Desperate Housewives at 1080i/720p instead
[23:14] <tgm4883> shirgall, I said slightly less quality content, not total crap
[23:14] <shirgall> tgm4883: Luckily DirecTV is bringing AMC in HD on September 9th...
[23:14] <tgm4883> shirgall, they don't have that in HD
[23:14]  * tgm4883 stabs DirecTV
[23:14] <shirgall> tgm4883: Ok, how about the new "V" series that they canceled? :)
[23:15] <shirgall> Who doesn't have what in HD?
[23:15] <tgm4883> shirgall, sorry, that was more of a shock retorical question
[23:15] <tgm4883> as in
[23:15] <tgm4883> DirecTV doesn't have AMC in HD yet !?!
[23:16] <shirgall> Yeah, it pains me to say
[23:16] <tgm4883> I wish networks would stop killing shows that are good, yet not #1 in their timeslot
[23:16] <shirgall> There's no cable out where I live
[23:16] <tgm4883> or shows that don't have a ton of followers because the network keeps moving them around
[23:16] <tgm4883> I'm looking at you Fox!
[23:16] <shirgall> tgm4883: Yeah, I agree, they killed V, Lie to Me, and other stuff I actually liked
[23:17] <shirgall> Well, ABC killed V
[23:17] <shirgall> And Flash Forward, come to think of it
[23:17] <shirgall> And we'll see if "Falling Skies" survives
[23:18] <tgm4883> V, Lie to me, Terminator, (i'm ok with flash forward dying), tons of other shows I can't think of right now
[23:18] <tgm4883> oh, doll house
[23:18] <shirgall> Yeah, I forgot Sarah Connor Chromicles
[23:18] <shirgall> Chronicles
[23:19] <C_Smith> now to try 320 bps for sound
[23:19] <C_Smith> was trying 128
[23:20] <shirgall> C_Smith: I have some crappy stuff at 56VBR, good enough for AM radio, almost
[23:20] <C_Smith> vbr is ogg vorbis?
[23:23] <C_Smith> or is vbr supposed to be bps?
[23:23] <C_Smith> think I'm missing something here.
[23:28] <shirgall> vbr is variable bit rate
[23:29] <shirgall> intended to save space
[23:29] <C_Smith> ah, i see.
[23:29] <shirgall> it's a format that rapidly became irrelevant as portable audio players increased space by orders of magnitude
[23:30] <shirgall> I think my first mp3 player had 200MB of space
[23:32] <shirgall> I take it back, it was 32MB
[23:33] <C_Smith> my first mp3 player was 2GB, tiny compared to my Ipod, which is 16GB.
[23:34] <C_Smith> the first MP3 player I had could only play audio files, no video, sadly.
[23:34] <shirgall> Yeah, I didn't do portable video for many years after that
[23:36] <shirgall> Heh, audible.com member since January 2003, you guys are making me feel old
[23:38] <C_Smith> the first video player I had was an Gogear Aria, which, unfortunately, broke in my pocket, darned LCD Screens that have little protection.
[23:38] <C_Smith> also, has anyone here used conky?
[23:47] <shirgall> C_Smith: I've used it before, but I found it to be not as useful as I'd like... most of the stats I want to see are also shown by byobu
[23:48] <C_Smith> the things that don't work on it for me are temperature of certain parts and internet stats.
[23:50] <shirgall> C_Smith: yeah, that stuff can be finicky as it is
[23:50] <C_Smith> yeah,
[23:50] <C_Smith> might have to try the program you mentioned
[23:50] <C_Smith> check this out: http://i.imgur.com/9GDNR.jpg
[23:50] <shirgall> C_Smith: internet stats should be straightforward, but I don't recall if Conky dealt well with multiple interfaces
[23:51] <C_Smith> yeah, I have a wlan, and an wired one that is never used.
[23:51] <shirgall> Um, that';s a Barney joke
[23:51] <C_Smith> no, 90-60-90 on the rgb scale refers to purple
[23:51] <shirgall> C_Smith: it might be confused by the wired one, I remember having to modify the included scripts a lot
[23:51] <C_Smith> and he's talking about hip-bust-waist. in metrics
[23:52] <C_Smith> so the dad is thing on the rgb scale, and the son is talking metrics
[23:52] <C_Smith> *the dad is thinking
[23:52] <shirgall> oh, heh
[23:55] <C_Smith> you kinda have to know the metrics scale AND the rgb scale to get the joke fully
[23:57] <C_Smith> "are there seriously 19 people idling?" ben asked once, I shoulda said "yep, looks like they're dead!" XD
[23:57] <C_Smith> kinda dark, I know, but still would have been funny