[17:36] <nhaines> Well the *plan* was to do meeting upkeep during lunch break at UOS.
[17:36] <nhaines> But then the phone rang and now I just got back from grabbing food.


[12:21] <cliebow_> ijwyn, you mean  chmod? chown?
[12:21] <ijwyn> yeah, chmod
[12:27] <lns> Hey all
[12:28] <lns> Does anyone have any information on getting flash/java plugins working on an edubuntu xeon (x86-64) server for x86 thin clients?
[12:29] <lns> Am I missing something easy or do i have to jump through hoops to get it to work under 64-bit?
[12:30] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd check the Ubuntu forums
[12:31] <LaserJock> becuase I think you can get a 32bit Firefox that flash works in
[12:31] <lns> Yeah I read a bit about that
[12:31] <lns> you have to use some sort of wrapper
[12:32] <lns> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=160318&highlight=java+firefox+64
[12:35] <lns> actually this might be a (really hairy) solution: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[12:41] <ijwyn> ok thanks for the help guys, I think we've more or less figured things out :-)
[12:41] <ijwyn> I'm outta here
[12:46] <pirast> could anyone please apply the debdiff in bug 90814?
[12:46] <pirast> where's ubugtu?
[12:46] <pirast> oh mh
[12:46] <pirast> wrong channel
[12:46] <pirast> sorry :)
[12:51] <cliebow> mouse action is miserable in ppc..any way to speed er up
[03:06] <cliebow_> fixed itself on update !!
[04:46] <sesja> hello
[04:48] <sesja> anybody there
[04:48] <sesja> ?
[04:48] <LaserJock> somebody I'm sure
[04:51] <LaserJock> sesja: what's up?
[04:51] <sesja> i am going to do something
[04:52] <sesja> to get know system
[04:53] <sesja> what are the goals of open source systems?
[04:53] <sesja> :-)
[04:53] <sesja> ?
[04:54] <sesja> emotion mark?
[04:54] <LaserJock> well, that's a very general question
[04:54] <LaserJock> many people have many different goals with open source softare
[04:54] <LaserJock> generally it's about freedom
[04:55] <sesja> oh if it is true i like it at once
[04:55] <sesja> but
[04:55] <sesja> but?
[04:56] <sesja> i would like to know how can I use effectively the system
[04:56] <sesja> where should i start?
[04:56] <LaserJock> well, you can start by installing Edubuntu :-)
[04:58] <sesja> then what?
[04:58] <LaserJock> start playing around
[04:58] <LaserJock> you're free to pretty much do whatever you want
[04:58] <LaserJock> Edubuntu has access to lots and lots of open source software
[04:59] <sesja> sounds like advertisement
[04:59] <LaserJock> hm?
[04:59] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[04:59] <sesja> you know
[04:59] <sesja> there is windows
[04:59] <sesja> and other distributions of open source
[04:59] <sesja> why edubuntu
[05:00] <LaserJock> oh
[05:00] <LaserJock> well, Edubuntu is primarily designed for kids and schools
[05:00] <LaserJock> Ubuntu (the parent project of Edubuntu) is more general
[05:01] <sesja> are u kid or student?
[05:01] <LaserJock> well, I'm a PhD student
[05:01] <LaserJock> 25 years old
[05:01] <sesja> oh
[05:02] <sesja> i don't know what PhD means
[05:02] <LaserJock> Doctorate of Philosophy
[05:02] <sesja> wow !!
[05:02] <LaserJock> the highest level of university traning in the US
[05:02] <sesja> that's cool
[05:03] <sesja> you are great
[05:03] <LaserJock> heh
[05:03] <sesja> i think
[05:03] <LaserJock> not exactly
[05:03] <LaserJock> I've just been in school a long time
[05:04] <sesja> so
[05:04] <sesja> you are philosophy student
[05:04] <LaserJock> not exactly
[05:04] <LaserJock> a PhD is a general term
[05:04] <LaserJock> from back in the day when philosophy meant more than what it means now
[05:05] <LaserJock> I'm a Physical Chemistry student
[05:05] <sesja> :-)
[05:06] <sesja> so you learn about Everything ?
[05:06] <LaserJock> heh, I wish I could
[05:06] <sesja> so do I
[05:07] <sesja> is using Edubuntu part of your philosophy?
[05:07] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[05:07] <sesja> when you said about freedom I thought about some deeper meaning
[05:08] <LaserJock> ah
[05:08] <LaserJock> well, I think I'm still working on it
[05:09] <LaserJock> some people certainly apply the freedom philosophy outside of software
[05:09] <LaserJock> I do work with a group of scientists working on "open source" science
[05:10] <sesja> i would like to do so
[05:10] <sesja> and liking is all I have
[05:10] <LaserJock> you might be interested in http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy
[05:12] <sesja> it says about freedom electronically at least
[05:13] <LaserJock> yes
[05:14] <sesja> i tried to work on mandrake and had great problem to install any software not included in packages
[05:14] <LaserJock> ah
[05:15] <sesja> what do u think?
[05:15] <LaserJock> that can happen
[05:15] <LaserJock> Ubuntu has several tools to avoid that
[05:16] <sesja> you talk about Ubuntu but we are on Edubuntu channel
[05:16] <LaserJock> they are essentially the same
[05:16] <LaserJock> Edubuntu is just a educational variant of Ubuntu
[05:17] <sesja> does it have the same possibilities?
[05:17] <LaserJock> it has access to the same software repositories
[05:17] <sesja> is it full answer?
[05:18] <LaserJock> yes, it has the same possibilities
[05:18] <sesja> thank u
[05:18] <sesja> :-)
[05:18] <sesja> can I turn off this graphical marks?
[05:18] <sesja> these
[05:19] <sesja> do u use them>
[05:19] <sesja> ?
[05:19] <sesja> ok
[05:20] <sesja> freedom software
[05:20] <LaserJock> which graphical marks?
[05:20] <sesja> :-)
[05:20] <sesja> that one
[05:20] <LaserJock> oh, yes. I use them a fair amount
[05:22] <sesja> I think Edubuntu is quite fast
[05:22] <sesja> is that so?
[05:23] <sesja> many questions
[05:24] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:24] <LaserJock> it kind of depends on what you are comparing the speed to
[05:25] <LaserJock> I find it prety fast
[05:25] <LaserJock> *pretty
[05:26] <sesja> :-)
[05:26] <sesja> how many questions left?
[05:27] <LaserJock> heh
[05:27] <sesja> are u kind of scientist?
[05:27] <LaserJock> yes
[05:28] <LaserJock> I work with lasers
[05:28] <sesja> really?
[05:28] <sesja> these in CD ROMS?
[05:28] <LaserJock> hehe, no
[05:28] <sesja> jedi knights?
[05:28] <LaserJock> my research doesn't have anything to do with computers
[05:29] <sesja> so this is kind of "hobby" ?
[05:29] <LaserJock> we investigate molecules with the lasers
[05:29] <sesja> wow
[05:29] <sesja> u crash them
[05:29] <sesja> ?
[05:29] <sesja> no
[05:29] <LaserJock> kind of
[05:29] <sesja> uhm
[05:29] <LaserJock> we shoot them with the laser and watch how the respond
[05:29] <sesja> poor molecules
[05:30] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:31] <LaserJock> but yeah, Ubuntu/Edubuntu are kind of a big hobby
[05:31] <sesja> ok
[05:31] <sesja> what do use them for?
[05:32] <LaserJock> Ubuntu?
[05:32] <sesja> yes
[05:32] <LaserJock> I run it on my computers
[05:32] <LaserJock> and I help maintain the software so other people can benefit
[05:32] <sesja> maintain?
[05:33] <sesja> do you keep it? make it accessible ?
[05:34] <sesja> or work on projects?
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, Ubuntu is made up of thousands of different pieces of software
[05:34] <LaserJock> from thousands of different software authors
[05:35] <LaserJock> and we have to make sure it all works together and is as bug free as we can make it
[05:35] <sesja> i understand
[05:36] <sesja> how did u get the knowledge about computers?
[05:36] <sesja> not in school as i see
[05:36] <LaserJock> no
[05:36] <LaserJock> just using it
[05:36] <LaserJock> and reading
[05:36] <LaserJock> and eventually by just hleping out
[05:36] <LaserJock> *helping
[05:37] <sesja> helping learns teacher?
[05:37] <sesja> other helping
[05:37] <LaserJock> well, mostly helping maintain packages
[05:37] <LaserJock> and writing documentation
[05:37] <sesja> wow
[05:37] <LaserJock> and teaching people how to do that
[05:37] <LaserJock> and writing some software
[05:37] <LaserJock> stuff like that
[05:37] <sesja> :-)
[05:38] <LaserJock> I just help where I can
[05:38] <sesja> like gaim?
[05:38] <sesja> ;-)
[05:38] <LaserJock> I haven't worked on gaim, yet
[05:38] <sesja> you should
[05:38] <sesja> there is one option missing
[05:39] <sesja> have always been using linux system?
[05:39] <sesja> you
[05:39] <LaserJock> no
[05:39] <LaserJock> I've been using it for about 5 years
[05:40] <sesja> what was before?
[05:40] <sesja> BigBang
[05:41] <LaserJock> what was before what?
[05:41] <sesja> I don't know if I should ask this question
[05:41] <sesja> did u use windows?
[05:42] <LaserJock> oh sure
[05:42] <LaserJock> still use it sometimes
[05:42] <LaserJock> although I use OS X a lot more
[05:42] <LaserJock> as I have an iMac at work
[05:43] <sesja> what systems have you installed on your machine?
[05:43] <sesja> i have windows xp media center
[05:44] <sesja> running edubuntu live cd
[05:44] <sesja> i like linux systems more
[05:44] <LaserJock> well, at home my machines dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu
[05:44] <sesja> uhm
[05:45] <LaserJock> at work just Ubuntu and OS X
[05:45] <sesja> i thing it is good solution
[05:45] <LaserJock> I do too
[05:46] <sesja> i would like to install EduBuntu could help me with that?
[05:46] <sesja> you
[05:46] <sesja> or send me where can I learn about that
[05:47] <sesja> i am talking about dual-boot
[05:48] <LaserJock> on the same hard drive? or do you have a second hard drive?
[05:48] <sesja> should I have second?
[05:48] <LaserJock> it's easier
[05:48] <sesja> I know
[05:48] <LaserJock> the problem is you need to resize the Windows partition to allow room for Edubuntu
[05:48] <sesja> I know that too
[05:49] <sesja> what i don't know is:
[05:50] <sesja> is it safe to repartition on hard drive with system on it
[05:50] <sesja> is it good to have 2 systems on one hard drive
[05:50] <sesja> and
[05:50] <sesja> how much space should I reserve for Edubuntu
[05:50] <sesja> :-)
[05:51] <sesja> send me to google if u wish
[05:51] <LaserJock> well, I use Partition Magic for Windows to make the space
[05:52] <sesja> I used it and thing it's the best
[05:52] <LaserJock> and I'd make at least 10GB of space to Edubuntu if you have space
[05:52] <sesja> i have
[05:52] <LaserJock> how much free space do you have on there now?
[05:52] <sesja> i waited for this questio
[05:52] <sesja> n
[05:55] <sesja> i think there is about 180 GB
[05:55] <sesja> can I check it in Edubuntu?
[05:55] <sesja> or where can I check it
[05:56] <sesja> I don't know basic information about my equipment
[05:56] <sesja> until it is necessary
[05:57] <LaserJock> you probably can check it in Ubuntu
[05:57] <LaserJock> if you go System->Administration->Partition Editor (or something like that)
[06:00] <sesja> here is said I have 153.38 GiB
[06:00] <sesja> i thought there is only "round" number
[06:00] <LaserJock> it says that is fre space?
[06:00] <LaserJock> *free
[06:00] <LaserJock> or total space
[06:01] <sesja> total
[06:01] <sesja> unused 136 GiB
[06:01] <sesja> :-)
[06:01] <LaserJock> well, 180GB doesn't really mean 180GB
[06:02] <sesja> is it connected with this...
[06:02] <sesja> multiplier?
[06:02] <LaserJock> well, I'd give Edubuntu whatever you what realy
[06:03] <LaserJock> if you plan on putting a lot of stuff on there (music, files, etc.) then you might want to do 20+GB
[06:03] <LaserJock> the minimum is around 2GB
[06:03] <LaserJock> but you'll definately want some space to play around
[06:03] <sesja> :-)
[06:04] <sesja> can I change the size of partition after intallation?
[06:04] <sesja> installing
[06:04] <sesja> can I put some more space for Ubuntu if i need to after installing?
[06:05] <LaserJock> hmm, well I wouldn't recommend it
[06:05] <LaserJock> but it's possible
[06:05] <sesja> ok
[06:05] <sesja> why not?
[06:05] <LaserJock> it would involve resizing partitions with stuff on them
[06:05] <LaserJock> which is always a tad risky
[06:05] <sesja> i thought so
[06:05] <LaserJock> so you want to do it as little as possible
[06:06] <sesja> no it is not true
[06:06] <LaserJock> resizing the Windows partition probably wouldn't be too bad
[06:06] <sesja> i thought to divide hard drive in two
[06:06] <LaserJock> that' be more than enough
[06:06] <sesja> so
[06:06] <sesja> how much is enough?
[06:06] <LaserJock> if you divid it in half
[06:07] <LaserJock> you'd have lots room
[06:07] <LaserJock> it's always to have more :-)
[06:07] <LaserJock> always good
[06:08] <sesja> remember that when I add I deduct too
[06:08] <sesja> in this case
[06:08] <sesja> that's why i ask
[06:09] <sesja> am asking
[06:10] <sesja> is there partition magic for linux?
[06:10] <sesja> i know that it is commercial program in windows
[06:10] <sesja> and I can't get it lately
[06:11] <sesja> or GNOME resiser would do?
[06:12] <sesja> if I am tiring to much just say
[06:12] <LaserJock> well, the installer has a partitioner
[06:13] <sesja> it is rare to hear answer other than RTFM when talking about linux systems
[06:13] <sesja> installer?
[06:13] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu
[06:13] <LaserJock> installer
[06:13] <sesja> Edubuntu
[06:13] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:13] <LaserJock> well
[06:13] <sesja> it will destroy my Windows
[06:13] <sesja> or not?
[06:13] <LaserJock> that wouldn't be good
[06:13] <LaserJock> well, it *could*
[06:14] <LaserJock> that's why we recommend you backup
[06:14] <sesja> backup?
[06:14] <LaserJock> but the Desktop installer should be able to resize
[06:14] <sesja> should I go paranoid
[06:14] <LaserJock> backup important stuff from your Windows install
[06:14] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:14] <sesja> ok
[06:14] <LaserJock> well, we have to cover ourselves
[06:15] <sesja> IMPORTANT STUFF that won't be much
[06:15] <LaserJock> we can't tell you it's fine if there is a chance it could have problems
[06:16] <sesja> I can only tell that when I used Partition Magic it worked well
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, that's what I used
[06:16] <sesja> is installer partitioning as good as it?
[06:16] <LaserJock> well, that's hard to say
[06:17] <LaserJock> I've not had problems with either
[06:17] <LaserJock> but I'd personally trust Partition Magic more
[06:17] <sesja> ok
[06:17] <sesja> hmm
[06:18] <sesja> I have great problems with decisions
[06:18] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:18] <LaserJock> well, I'd recommend backing up things that you want back *if* Windows happened to get killed
[06:18] <LaserJock> and then play around
[06:19] <sesja> I like the expression
[06:19] <sesja> play around
[06:20] <sesja> where should I look for to get know what can I do using the system
[06:21] <LaserJock> well, it's sort of hard to say
[06:21] <sesja> aGain
[06:21] <LaserJock> look for software for things that you are interested in
[06:21] <sesja> ok
[06:22] <LaserJock> like I look for science software
[06:22] <sesja> are there any *start* places?
[06:22] <sesja> for software for example
[06:22] <LaserJock> well, get it installed, check out the programs that are installed
[06:22] <sesja> uhm
[06:23] <LaserJock> then go to "Add/Remove Applications"
[06:23] <LaserJock> and look for some interesting stuff
[06:23] <sesja> step by step :-)
[06:24] <sesja> have I to install it?
[06:24] <sesja> ??
[06:24] <LaserJock> no
[06:24] <LaserJock> it's in the menu
[06:26] <sesja> i remember that there was also choice how much memory to give for swap and others
[06:26] <sesja> how to define it?
[06:27] <sesja> LaserJock:
[06:28] <sesja> is there no manual for correct installation ?
[06:29] <sesja> for lames
[06:29] <sesja> :-)
[06:29] <sesja> or you are the one?
[06:30] <sesja> sorry
[06:31] <LaserJock> well, it should be fairly straightforward
[06:31] <LaserJock> how much RAM do you have?
[06:32] <LaserJock> you can have it automatically set up the partitions, by the way
[06:32] <sesja> aha
[06:32] <sesja> it is good
[06:33] <sesja>  1 G i thing
[06:33] <sesja> *k
[06:33] <sesja> where can I check all information about my computer
[06:33] <sesja> in Ubuntu
[06:34] <sesja> I have enough RAM to run LIVE CD that is sure
[06:34] <sesja> wait
[06:34] <sesja> maybe in filesystem?
[06:36] <sesja> no
[06:36] <sesja> you know I am the kid who get computer from mummy and I don't know nothing about it
[06:37] <sesja> :-)
[06:37] <sesja> i think 512 or 1 G
[06:38] <sesja> are you working now on something?
[06:38] <LaserJock> sorry
[06:39] <sesja> for what?
[06:39] <LaserJock> I think 512MB of RAM would be fine
[06:39] <LaserJock> I was away for a while
[06:39] <sesja> there is enough
[06:39] <sesja> no problem
[06:40] <sesja> is LaserJock your hacking nick? ;-)
[06:42] <sesja> hmm
[06:42] <sesja> i tried to listen to internet radio
[06:42] <sesja> it doesn't work here
[06:43] <LaserJock> I guess it's my hacking nick
[06:43] <LaserJock> it's what I go by on IRC and I use it a fair amount
[06:44] <sesja> why can't linux use windows applications ?
[06:44] <sesja> or *specifications* ?
[06:44] <nixternal> 2 totally different OS's (kernels) for one
[06:45] <nixternal> you can run some Windows apps with Wine though
[06:45] <sesja> I thing it is not very good idea
[06:45] <nixternal> what's that?
[06:45] <sesja> Wine
[06:45] <sesja> it is emulator
[06:46] <nixternal> depends on if you are talking drinking wine or the win32 app wrapper
[06:46] <sesja> oh
[06:46] <sesja> that was funny
[06:46] <nixternal> wine is not an emulator, that's at least what they want you to think
[06:46] <sesja> i ran wine and windows apps worked very bad or didn't worked at all
[06:47] <nixternal> well, if you could all of those Windows app makers to start writing free software ports for Linux, then everyone will be happy. Until then the MS monopoly rides on :)
[06:47] <nixternal> I have only messed with wine to play online poker. hehe
[06:47] <sesja> :-)
[06:47] <nixternal> now they have Java clients, so I don't need Wine anymore
[06:48] <sesja> i tried to run Quake III Arena on mandrake
[06:48] <sesja> the result was horrible
[06:49] <sesja> are the others on the channel bots?
[06:49] <nixternal> I run Q3A on my laptop with an integrated Intel graphics card, and w/o Wine
[06:49] <sesja> ooo
[06:50] <sesja> nixternal: is there linux version of it?
[06:50] <sesja> of Q
[06:51] <nixternal> haha
[06:51] <sesja> :-)
[06:51] <nixternal> sesja: I was actually going to link you to the page
[06:51] <nixternal> but it seems it has been hacked by a turkish hacker
[06:51] <nixternal> http://gaming.gwos.org/
[06:51] <nixternal> lol, they show you how to get it working
[06:52] <sesja> totem couldn't play fd0
[06:52] <sesja> great link
[06:52] <nixternal> hehe
[06:52] <nixternal> there are Q3 howtos out there for Linux
[06:52] <nixternal> the one I wanted to link you to I think is the best
[06:52] <sesja> you are laughing at me
[06:53] <sesja> straight me up instead of that
[06:53] <nixternal> you copy the baseq3 to /usr/games/quake3/ and then you you run this q3 updater bin and it will allow you to run Q3 natively
[06:54] <sesja> I ran the game but it worked EXTREMELY slow
[06:54] <sesja> natively you say
[06:54] <nixternal> yes
[06:54] <nixternal> I run it and my system isn't fast at all
[06:55] <nixternal> you don't have to run Q3 in Wine
[06:56] <sesja> and other games
[06:57] <sesja> what slows applications when using Wine
[06:57] <sesja> translating?
[06:57] <nixternal> I really don't know
[06:58] <sesja> great radio have I caught here in Ubuntu
[07:01] <sesja> where are the visual art for music played?
[07:01] <sesja> are there any in system?
[07:01] <sesja> i loved mandrake ones
[07:01] <sesja> 3 or 4 at the same time
[07:02] <nixternal> when it comes to GNOME, I couldn't tell ya
[07:02] <sesja> hmm
[07:02] <sesja> there was a program for mp3
[07:02] <sesja> what was its name
[07:02] <sesja> wait
[07:04] <sesja> downloading package information
[07:06] <sesja> where is the information about packages available?
[07:06] <nixternal> what information are you interested in?
[07:07] <nixternal> from the cammand line, you can always type      apt-cache show packagename
[07:07] <nixternal> that will provide you with some info
[07:07] <sesja> next turkish hackers trick ? ;-)
[07:08] <nixternal> haha, I wish that site would come back up though, they have great gaming tutorials on there for Ubuntu
[07:09] <sesja> W: Unable to locate package packagename
[07:09] <sesja> E: No packages found
[07:09] <sesja> aha
[07:09] <sesja> i should put the name of package right?
[07:09] <nixternal> well replace package name with the name of the application you are looking for
[07:09] <nixternal> I am sorry
[07:09] <sesja> i want list of all of them
[07:09] <nixternal> yes, you are correct
[07:09] <sesja> not at all
[07:10] <sesja> i want to know what is there
[07:10] <sesja> 1 in system
[07:10] <sesja> 2 on cdrom
[07:10] <sesja> 3 maybe on net
[07:10] <sesja> this is information i am looking for
[07:10] <nixternal> ahh, good question
[07:10] <sesja> is there an answer?
[07:11] <sesja> list of packages available
[07:12] <sesja> there was something like that in mandrake
[07:13] <nixternal> for that you might get a better answer in #ubuntu or the like
[07:13] <nixternal> there is always http://packages.ubuntu.com
[07:13] <nixternal> but nothing tells you if it is on the cdrom or not
[07:13] <nixternal> it will either be in main, universe, multivers, or restricted
[07:13] <sesja> STRANGE
[07:15] <sesja> i can't even have the information what package could be installed from CD ROM?
[07:17] <sesja> universe
[07:17] <sesja> I thought u were kidding
[07:18] <sesja> i have intel pentium which architecture is it?
[07:18] <sesja> amd no
[07:19] <sesja> i386 or power pc?
[07:23] <sesja> i386 i guess
[07:23] <sesja> let us try
[07:25] <LaserJock> i386
[07:25] <LaserJock> ppc is for macs
[07:25] <sesja> thx
[07:26] <sesja> Same version is available in a software channel
[07:26] <sesja> You are recommended to install the software from the channel instead.
[07:26] <sesja> what does it mean?
[07:26] <sesja> i tried to install new package and run it
[07:27] <sesja> and that is what i got
[07:27] <sesja> what is software channel?
[07:28] <sesja> wow I saw the ? mark in menu :-)
[07:38] <LaserJock> a software channel is a different component of the Ubuntu repositories
[07:38] <LaserJock> like Main and Universe
[08:05] <sesja> Application->Add Remove
[09:47] <sesja> where can I find software dedicated to Ubuntu?
[09:48] <stgraber> once you have a activated all repositories (software sources), launch synaptic, there will be a lot of software you can install
[09:49] <sesja> downloading packace information
[09:49] <sesja> thx
[09:49] <stgraber> all Ubuntu packages will be there, you can also add some customs sources to have more packages
[09:49] <stgraber> gtg
[10:35] <sesja> how can I run program (package)
[10:35] <sesja> I don't know where it is
[10:35] <sesja> can I check path for package (executable) ?
[10:55] <sesja> ok i got it
[11:08] <bimberi> sesja: gui programs should be added to the menu.  Otherwise you can do 'dpkg -L <package> | grep bin' to get an idea of what executable(s) are installed by the package
[11:34] <sesja> what compilators are there built in system?
[11:42] <sesja> what is ICT?
[11:42] <mpytasz> information and communication technology
[11:44] <sesja> mpytasz: jeste z Polski?
[11:44] <mpytasz> tak wyszo, ale to chyba anglojzyczny kana...
[11:45] <sesja> na to wyglda
[11:47] <sesja> what is thin-client then?
[11:47] <sesja> misterious language
[11:48] <mpytasz> :) a client with limited abilities of data processing
[11:48] <mpytasz> sesja, RU translating some database rejated stuff?
[11:48] <mpytasz> related
[11:49] <sesja> no just reading edubuntu cookbook
[11:49] <mpytasz> ah, i see
[12:00] <sesja> how can I have access to data of windows (ntfs partition) from Ubuntu
[12:00] <sesja> is it possible?
[12:07] <mpytasz> don't know about ubuntu, I'm using gentoo, usually uoy can just mount them, the best way is through fuse and ntfs3g
[12:12] <bimberi> !ntfs
[12:12] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions .


[08:36] <SalahMessaoud> Good morning
[08:48] <elacheche_anis> Morning SalahMessaoud :)
[08:55] <SalahMessaoud> elacheche_anis, how are you ?
[08:55] <elacheche_anis> Good.. Have some problems with some Grails plugins.. but good x) :D hmd :) u?
[08:56] <SalahMessaoud> elacheche_anis, I am trying to learn some sass & compass asap :D
[08:59] <elacheche_anis> Nice :D :D I'll try to have some free time soon to learn them too.. I should finish some MongoDB & Python courses first..
[09:07] <SalahMessaoud> Python on my list as well :D
[09:07] <elacheche_anis> Do you have good resources or you'll looking for recommendations?
[10:25] <SalahMessaoud> elacheche_anis, Do you have some good courses ?
[11:09] <elacheche_anis> SalahMessaoud, Of course :)
[11:09] <elacheche_anis> hold on
[11:10] <elacheche_anis> SalahMessaoud, http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ & https://www.udacity.com/course/cs101 & http://www.codecademy.com/learn
[11:12] <SalahMessaoud> elacheche_anis, thank you !!
[11:13] <elacheche_anis> :)
[17:48] <pixmagic> bonsoir à tous
[17:48] <pixmagic> j'ai besoin d'aide s'il vous plait


 :)  I'll send ya a gmail invite in exchange...
[04:51] <Cheri703> heh
[16:51] <Cheri703> hehe: http://io9.com/5816415/transformers-3-is-a-movie-about-how-wrong-you-were-to-hate-transformers-2


[09:42] <|NewUser|> i just download new gdm theme? i can i use install or use it?
[09:44] <|NewUser|> *hoow
[09:44] <|NewUser|> *how
[10:18] <tsmithe> so where's a good inkscape tutorial?
[11:14] <troy_s> tsmithe: What do you need to know?
[11:14] <tsmithe> oh nothing :)
[11:14] <tsmithe> it's cool now - sis was just asking :P
[11:14] <troy_s> tsmithe: Start with the basic tutorials that come with it in their dir
[11:15] <tsmithe> that's what i told her
[11:15] <troy_s> tsmithe: There are only a handful of tools, but you can combine them to do quite dramatic bits.
[11:15] <troy_s> Clip and Mask setting are probably themost powerful.
[11:15] <tsmithe> yeah - some of the works that come out of it are fantastic


[00:39] <daftykins> webpigeon: you and your IPv6 are BROKEN, SIR!
[00:50] <shauno> :(
[00:55] <daftykins> shauno: morning o/ how do?
[01:01] <shauno> same old same old :)
[01:02] <shauno> I just discovered the existance of 'dual port ram', which is going to make a little project I'm playing with much more interesting
[01:02] <penguin42> time itself has been reversed
[01:03] <zmoylan-pi> any time gained will be lost by most as they putter around changing clocks
[01:03] <shauno> hm.  for some reason I thought that at 3am, it went back to 2
[01:03] <penguin42> (that's also a line from a particularly corny film)
[01:04] <ali1234> if time was rebersed, how would you know?
[01:04] <zmoylan-pi> the first time you went for a poo :-p
[01:05] <ali1234> after it happened you would have no memory of it because it hasn't happened yet
[01:05] <shauno> I caught an odd bit on reddit though, that some spanish trains handle this by just stopping for an hour
[01:06] <penguin42> haha
[01:09] <daftykins> XD
[01:10] <daftykins> someone raised a fair point, apparently some local clubs have had a debate with local police to say that surely they can open an hour longer?
[01:10] <ali1234> how is that a fair point?
[01:11] <shauno> would they be happy to close an hour earlier in spring?
[01:11] <zmoylan-pi> their licence says the time they close at
[01:11] <shauno> I'd assume the logic is "if I have to close at 1am .. which 1am"
[01:12] <shauno> which is quite simple because at 1:01, they're in violation
[01:13] <zmoylan-pi> their logic is, stay open, make money
[01:13] <ali1234> "okay, you have to close for an hour, everyone has to stand outside, then you can open again at 1am for 1 minute"
[01:13] <ali1234> is how that conversation ended
[01:14] <zmoylan-pi> of course they'll all be prosecuted for loitering outside
[01:15] <daftykins> i've been drinking, leave me alone with your logic :P
[01:15] <daftykins> or rather don't because i think your logic will beat me up.
[01:16] <zmoylan-pi> this is where you use drunken singing to brow beat logic
[01:16] <shauno> well, I think I'm going to take this as a second chance to go to bed at a reasonable hour
[01:17] <shauno> otherwise I'd be defeated by the realisation that I spent the "free" hour debating the free hour.
[01:19] <daftykins> shauno: that's a dangerous realisation
[01:19] <daftykins> sleep well!
[08:26] <foobarry> bring back BST
[08:27] <foobarry> nobody told the kids about the lie in
[08:31] <SuperEngineer> BST for Englsand, GMT for Scotland... a nice bit of devolved power & everybody happy :D
[08:31] <foobarry> +1
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> yeah BST is GMT+1 :P
[09:01] <SuperEngineer> BST = Beer Sipping time.  GMT = Glenfiddich Moderation Time
[10:01] <SirMarky> Hello - can someone help me with a problem booting 14.10 on my laptop?
[10:03] <SirMarky> 13.10 and 14.04 both boot fine with UEFI and Secure Boot.  I have never had an issue with either.  However 14.10 won't boot.  The laptop complains no boot device is available.
[10:04] <SuperEngineer> SirMarky: I'm not sure if this is relevant but are you sure you use the 64bit ISO?
[10:04] <SuperEngineer> *used
[10:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:07] <SirMarky> SuperEngineer - yes, I am.  First I simply did an over the air update from 14.04.  After the laptop didn't boot, I downloaded the ISO, burned to a USB key and installed from that.  I have tried reformmating the SSD and recreating the EFI, Swap and / partitons, but no joy.  I reinstalled 14.04 and all was well.  Something in 14.10 is stopping the boot from working but I'm lost as to what.
[10:08] <SirMarky> My desktop boot and it too uses UEFI and an SSD with 14.10.
[10:09] <SirMarky> The laptop BIOS settings haven't been touched, but I investigated anyway to see if anything in there may help but cannot see anything to stop it.  Fast boot is off but it has to be so I can start with the USB boot stick.
[10:10] <SirMarky> I am thinking the EFI boot certificates have changed since the last release.  Also, unlike the desktop, there is no MBR on the SSD partition.  I see no reason why it should with EFI but perhaps I am wrong.
[10:11] <SuperEngineer> does it have a dual boot [UEFI & BIOS compatibilty] setting you could use?
[10:11] <SirMarky> I tried to use BOOT-REPAIR but there is no option for EFI when running on the live disc and cannot make it run from the USB stick because it complains about secure boot.
[10:12] <SirMarky> Yes - I thought of that and tried it too.  I disabled secure boot (which I don't want to do) and tried again, but again it wouldn't boot.
[10:12] <SuperEngineer> [hmm...if anyone hears the noise of someone grasping at straws... that's me]
[10:13] <SirMarky> 14.10 hasn't been good to me so far.  I spent all day fixing a video driver problem on my desktop and the laptop has me flumuxed!
[10:14] <SuperEngineer> have you tried the forums to see if other's have this prob & found answers?
[10:14] <SirMarky> What I don't understand is what has changed between 14.04 and 14.10 with EFI.  It may help me a little more if I did.
[10:14] <SirMarky> I posted in askubuntu and ubuntuforums.  Nothing.  Not a whisper.
[10:15] <SirMarky> A similar problem was seen with the Samsung Activ Book, but I can't reproduce the solution as boot-repair won't boot.
[10:17] <SuperEngineer>  hmmm, sorry - out of ideas... keep searchin & hang around in case anyone else has answers
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> [one last thought - have you read the "lnown issues" for the release. Anything there?]
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> *lnown
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> *Known
[10:18] <SirMarky> Yes.  I checked the known issues.  There is one that matches a problem left in the desktop but nothing for this on the laptop.
[10:18] <SuperEngineer> YUK
[10:23] <SirMarky> Does the live CD/USB stick use UEFI to boot?
[10:27] <SuperEngineer> not sure but I assume it probably does
[10:27] <SirMarky> That would make it more confusing then.
[10:28] <SuperEngineer> anyone here know the answer to the above?
[10:29] <SirMarky> I usually use BTRFS on the disc, but have tried with EXT4 as well.
[10:33] <SuperEngineer> ...there's aleways the possibility of a corrupt image on the stick/usb  have you checked it?
[10:34] <SuperEngineer> ...or the dvd ...or the original downloaded ISO [md5 check it?]
[10:34] <SirMarky> Yes.  I downloaded another and tried again.  But I don't think it is as I originally tried an over the air update.
[10:34] <SuperEngineer> scratching my head now!
[10:52] <mapps> geez
[10:52] <mapps> i ony jus got in
[10:54] <mapps> thought i was gonna die
[10:54] <mapps> tooo much k:(
[11:45] <ujjain> Does anybody know if a My Moneybuilder ISA would be a stock or cash ISA? http://www.topcashback.co.uk/scottish_friendly/
[11:47] <ujjain>  Get cashback once premiums invested in your plan total £80 and your ISA has been set up for more than 30 days.  < So I just need to give them 80 pound and they give me 84 pound cashback?
[11:51] <ujjain> ISA limit is until end of tax year, e.g. april, right?
[11:51] <ujjain> not december
[11:56] <penguin42> correct
[12:15] <foobarry> who are these booksellers who can sell new books for half the price of amazon~?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: that's the ones who don't make the publishers angry by trying to offer cheap ebooks
[12:24] <foobarry> s/don't/do ?
[12:28] <penguin42> foobarry: The pricing on Amazon is very algorithmic for a lot of sellers and thus quite confusing
[12:29] <penguin42> foobarry: There was some examples a while ago where they reached silly prices because of interacting pricing algorithms on different vendors
[12:30] <penguin42> foobarry: But where did you find somewhere cheaper?
[12:36] <foobarry> penguin42: on amazon marketplace
[12:37] <foobarry> book which has €29 RRP selling for £21 on amazon but other sellers selling new for 12.78+2.80 postage
[12:38] <penguin42> oh on marketplace
[12:38] <penguin42> it was marketplace I was referring to the price setting systems
[12:38] <foobarry> not sure they have better buying power than amazon
[12:38] <foobarry> so wonder how they sell brand new book (only just released) for much cheaper
[12:38] <penguin42> but how much do they buy them for anyway?
[12:39] <foobarry> dunno
[12:40] <foobarry> looks a nice book though http://canfora.se/campaign/#book-first
[12:40] <penguin42> I'm sure Amazon tries to get them as cheaply as possible from the publisher, but that doesn't mean that they sell them cheaply
[12:40] <hazrpg> hey all\\o
[12:40] <shauno> 'lo haz
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> and what would be the price difference between a physical book and an ebook to amazon when there's bugger all manufacturing cost
[12:41] <penguin42> how odd
[12:42] <hazrpg> Something I just noticed on 14.04.1 is that the brightness doesn't seem to work anymore, does anyone know how to solve this? The last thing I did was changed from using bumblebee to nvidia-prime, and it stopped it from working.
[12:42] <hazrpg> shauno: lo :)
[12:42] <hazrpg> shauno: hows it going dude?
[12:45] <shauno> same old same old :)
[12:45] <hazrpg> know that feeling
[12:51] <SuperEngineer> currently burning Ubuntu_Mate to DVD...
[12:52] <SuperEngineer> Q/ any known "advice" if I choose to use it to fill my empty partition [e.g. separate swap space to main [encrypted] swap advised]
[12:57] <SuperEngineer> ah well ... here goes... let's try it live from DVD first [this should be fun] ;)
[12:57] <penguin42> sharing encrypted swap might be a little hairy, sharing normal swap should work
[12:58] <brobostigon> join #aspietalk
[12:59] <brobostigon> sowwie.
[13:04] <hazrpg> brobostigon: don't worry about it dude ^_^
[13:04] <brobostigon> :)
[13:12] <brobostigon> connectivity issues.
[13:16] <MooDoo> afternoon
[13:17] <MooDoo> rats I've pressed something now I'm in a screen zoom
[13:18] <MooDoo> logout cured it.
[13:39] <hazrpg> I really need to find a fix for this brightness - its almost blinding me
[13:45]  * zmoylan-pi hands hazrpg a pair of sunglasses :-p
[13:47] <hazrpg> zmoylan-pi: ^_^ - I actually need a new pair :P - my old ones got smushed by the car door >_<
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully the only thing crushed by the car door :-/
[14:55] <ali12341> MooDoo: alt + mouse wheel
[14:59] <MooDoo> thanks ali12341 drove me nuts, but I'm back on ubuntu lts at the moment :D
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> just installed ubuntu mate 14.10 [not as main system but to try]... in 1 word: impressed, in 2 words: it's good, in 3 words: I'm keeping it.
[16:38] <foobarry> A
[16:38] <foobarry> DD
[16:39] <foobarry> arghvhidl g child
[16:40] <foobarry> couldn't minimise in time
[16:43] <diddledan_> o_O
[16:45] <omni3> hi, my 12.10 ubuntu machine recently crashed during an attempted update, and as a result i seem to have lost almost all functionality.  network connections disappeared, it doesn't recognise any usb drive (including an attempt at booting to the latest 14.10 usb live).    Initially i wanted to save a few files, but now I just want an easy
[16:45] <omni3>  way to boot to a usb and format and start again.  Any one have experiences where a crash just seems to lose all drive and network functionality, even during boot stage?
[16:46] <omni3> when I disable all boot options but usb, i get the "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[16:47] <foobarry> maybe the partition is full, and the update was incomplete
[16:47] <foobarry> hence breakage
[16:48] <omni3> it shouldn't be full, it was barely used, mainly just for streaming
[16:48] <foobarry> sometimes F11 or F12 offers a boot menu to choose boot device
[16:48] <omni3> i've found the boot device priority, i just disabled everything but usb, but get the error above
[16:49] <omni3> i can boot to ubuntu desktop, but there's no functionality, hardly any app/program opens without providing a system error
[16:49] <foobarry> doesn't sound like the usb key was prepared properly
[16:49] <foobarry> how did you create it?
[16:49] <omni3> windows unetbootin
[16:49] <omni3> selected iso
[16:49] <omni3> rather than the presets
[16:49] <foobarry> hmnn
[16:50] <foobarry> there's a really good windows one, i forget the nane now :(
[16:50] <daftykins> omni3: can you run memtest?
[16:50] <daftykins> it's an option on the live USB's boot menu
[16:50] <omni3> i don't get that far
 when I disable all boot options but usb, i get the "reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[16:51] <omni3> is what i get if i disable all boot options but usb, doesn't go to usb boot menu
[16:51] <daftykins> ah yes
[16:51] <foobarry> recheck the iso downloaded correctly
[16:51] <daftykins> how did you make up the drive?
[16:51] <foobarry> and redo the usb
[16:51] <daftykins> !md5
[16:51] <penguin42> omni3: Is it an EFI machine or plain bios?  I just ask because I ehard unetbootin is a bad idea for uefi
[16:51] <daftykins> ^ me too
[16:51] <daftykins> omni3: what OS is on the computer you made up the flash drive with?
[16:52] <omni3> honestly, i can't remember, we're talking 2 years ago i initially set it all up
[16:52] <omni3> windows 8.1
[16:52] <omni3> rebooting to bios setup i'll find out the answer to penguin42 question
[16:52] <daftykins> ok grab Universal USB Installer from pendrivelinux.com
[16:53] <daftykins> check the hash of the ISO you downloaded to be sure, then format that drive thoroughly before using the above to remake it
[16:53] <foobarry> guys, can wine handle symlinks?
[16:53] <foobarry> under .wine
[16:53] <daftykins> really, playing with boot priority is counter-intuitive in my book. i would try and use a one-time boot menu where possible
[16:54] <diddledan_> foobarry: I would expect windows apps to see a symlink as a file
[16:54] <omni3> regarding boot priority, it was the only way i could ensure it was trying to boot to usb, as i couldn't get it to recognise a cd, usb or anything it kept booting to disk
[16:55] <daftykins> i understand, if you can get a menu though it's definitely preferable
[16:55] <omni3> i'm in bios setup now, penguin42 - where would i find if it's efi or bios?
[16:55] <daftykins> if you can share a make and model of system that might help answer that
[16:56] <omni3> mozart ip media lab, 2gb ram
[16:56] <omni3> that's all I have (it's a friend's media pc he gave me ages ago, I don't have the specifics)
[16:56] <omni3> sorry, I feel like I'm being so unhelpful with this
[16:57] <diddledan_> https://twitter.com/MSFTnews/status/524262781592539136
[16:57] <daftykins> diddledan_: *gasp*!
[16:58] <daftykins> omni3: ah, thermaltake?
[16:58] <daftykins> VF3001BNS?
[16:59] <daftykins> looks like just a custom case
[16:59] <foobarry> MS <3 profits and lies
[16:59] <omni3> yes, daftykins - looks about right
[17:00] <daftykins> foobarry: lies? MSN messenger reportedly ran on Linux for years
[17:00] <daftykins> omni3: it may be more relevant to share a motherboard make and model if you could pop the case off, then
[17:01] <omni3> ah, that's going to be a pain the way it's mounted. let me see if I can find something more specific, I could probably get access, but we're talking a 15-20 minute job to get it out of the mount and get the stuff to take off the case
[17:01] <daftykins> ah ok
[17:02] <daftykins> perhaps it's worth focussing just on the flash drive re-making
[17:03] <omni3> yes, i'm just looking at the md5 thing now
[17:05] <popey> Morning
[17:05] <popey> Feels like Saturday here. Got the day off tomorrow \o/
[17:06] <daftykins> :D
[17:06] <penguin42> popey: Bah!
[17:07] <omni3> daftykins: http://releases.ubuntu.com/utopic/ - which file do I download to run against the md5 check?
[17:07] <omni3> or just get the md5 value to paste in
[17:08] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[17:08] <popey> those are the right hashes
[17:09] <omni3> doesn't match! :( does that just mean the download was corrupted? I got it from the ubuntu website
[17:09] <omni3> wait
[17:09] <omni3> ignore me
[17:09] <popey>  /ignore omni3
[17:10] <omni3> I've not downloaded 14.10 i've done 14.04
[17:10] <omni3> the md5 matches
[17:10] <popey> ah okay. great!
[17:10] <daftykins> ^ i did suspect you may've been looking at the wrong version
[17:10] <daftykins> i'd definitely stick to 14.04.1 right now
[17:10] <omni3> ok, that's all good then, I just didn't pay enough attention during the check
[17:11] <omni3> ok, going to use that universal usb thingy
[17:11] <daftykins> good stuff
[17:11] <daftykins> make sure to tick the ol' format button
[17:11] <omni3> does this format automatically?
[17:12] <omni3> there's no format option
[17:13] <daftykins> should be a tickbox eventually
[17:13] <popey> in the manual partitioning there is
[17:14] <daftykins> popey: this is Universal USB Installer from pendrivelinux.com
[17:14] <daftykins> for making up the drive
[17:14] <popey> wat
[17:14] <daftykins> not booting is the issue at the moment
[17:14] <popey> what is this nonsense?
[17:14] <daftykins> so we're remaking the flash drive
[17:14] <daftykins> (windows PC)
[17:15] <popey> we dont use unetbootin anymore?
[17:15] <omni3> i used that first time around and it's not worked
[17:15] <daftykins> never used that on Windows - there were tales for a long time that it broke a few use cases, mostly EFI though i think so i dunno
[17:16] <daftykins> i'm just suggesting what i know to work :)
[17:16] <omni3> http://imgur.com/k6wVI6b
[17:16] <omni3> that look right?
[17:17] <daftykins> yeah, i'm a little concerned at no format option though
[17:17] <omni3> i can't format in windows
[17:17] <daftykins> i might do it from the OS and be sure to select FAT
[17:17] <omni3> it just goes forever
[17:17] <daftykins> how come?
[17:18] <omni3> no idea
[17:18] <daftykins> are you using USB ports directly on the motherboard via the rear IO panel, or case ports?
[17:18] <omni3> I do have a second usb stick if needed, i was just going to keep it as it's a bigger capacity incase i can get into usb live and possibly save file
[17:18] <omni3> case ports
[17:18] <omni3> on the media drive, and it's a laptop on my windows machine
[17:19] <daftykins> can you share a screenshot of diskmgmt.msc showing the flash drive?
[17:19] <omni3> yeah sure, hang on a mo
[17:19] <daftykins> i'd definitely do OS boot tasks from the motherboard ports though
[17:20] <omni3> ok, i'll work for that once the iso is put on the usb properly
[17:22] <omni3> http://imgur.com/BZwYaZo
[17:23] <daftykins> oh interesting, it's raw
[17:23] <omni3> the "RAW" filesystem is weird
[17:23] <daftykins> omni3: ok close UUI for now and run a command prompt with admin rights, are you familiar with cmd?
[17:23] <omni3> and brings back bad memories
[17:25] <omni3> relatively
[17:25] <daftykins> ok in cmd, run 'diskpart' then type "list disks"
[17:25] <daftykins> you'll see the 4GB one that corresponds to the flash drive, so then type "select disk #" where # is its' number
[17:25] <daftykins> then type "clean"
[17:27] <foobarry> or try an app called rufus
[17:27] <foobarry> http://rufus.akeo.ie/
[17:27] <daftykins> interesting
[17:29] <daftykins> omni3: how far did you get?
[17:35] <omni3> hey sorry, phone rang, i'm here
[17:36] <omni3> just told it to clean the 4gb one
[17:37] <daftykins> cool
[17:37] <daftykins> it should say that completed successfully, then you can quit out and re-run diskmgmt.msc and try selecting to create a new primary partition with FAT
[17:37] <omni3> it seems to be taking it's time
[17:38] <omni3> *its
[17:38] <daftykins> hmm, your drive / that system sounds iffy
[17:38] <daftykins> i'd definitely switch to using the motherboard ports
[17:38] <omni3> it's a laptop
[17:38] <omni3> ah
[17:38] <omni3> we have an error
[17:39] <daftykins> mmm?
[17:39] <omni3> one sec, i'm loading the event long
[17:40] <omni3> The IO operation at logical block address 0x0 for Disk 1 (PDO name: \Device\000000bd) was retried.
[17:41] <daftykins> that drive sounds like it's toast
[17:41] <daftykins> as you said your other drive is larger, you can actually partition it if you want - or you can still write data to it even after Ubuntu is on there
[17:41] <penguin42> yeh that doesn't sound good
[17:42] <omni3> that's fine, it was a free usb one, that was nice and convenient for stuff like live usb's and stuff
[17:44] <omni3> just put the other usb drive in, there's a format option this time
[17:44] <omni3> this seems far more promising
[17:45] <omni3> should I set anything in the "persistent file size" option?
[17:47] <daftykins> nah
[17:47] <daftykins> that's only when you want to keep an installation on the drive, sort of thing
[17:47] <daftykins> or keep changes, rather
[17:47] <omni3> I see
[17:47] <omni3> running it now
[17:48] <omni3> I get the feeling that I probably wouldn't have had any of these problems if I'd used this usb disk at the start, and I'd have booted into the live usb and probably have installed ubuntu again.
[17:49] <daftykins> :)
[17:49] <daftykins> you can probably do the data recovery pretty easily too
[17:52] <omni3> yeah i just need to get into a ubuntu system (or any really) with working network and drive functionality. I'm no linux expert, but I'm not a moron, so should be reasonably ok :D
[17:52] <omni3> ok, the installation is done
[17:52] <omni3> let's see if it boots this time
[17:54] <daftykins> :)
[17:55] <omni3> same error on boot
[17:55] <omni3> I've used the port at the front, and the port at the back on the case :(
[17:56] <diddledan_> f11
[17:56] <omni3> does nothing
[17:56] <diddledan_> while the post is running
[17:57] <omni3> yup
[17:57] <omni3> pressed through the entire boot
[17:57] <diddledan_> hmm
[17:57] <diddledan_> there should be some helpful text that lets you know what the button is
[17:57] <daftykins> besides a logo typically
[17:57] <omni3> only delete for bios
[17:57] <omni3> let me try again
[17:57] <daftykins> do you get a logo for the brand of motherboard at all?
[17:58] <omni3> yes, i just pressed all of f2, f8, f10, f11, f12, and i have a boot menu
[17:58] <omni3> there's no usb option
[17:59] <diddledan_> find the disk by name
[17:59] <omni3> it's only showing the hdd and the cd drives
[17:59] <daftykins> this is currently in the motherboard IO panel USB?
[17:59] <omni3> yes, at the back
[18:00] <omni3> if needed, i can take a photo of the screen or anything required
[18:00] <omni3> and I don't blame any of you if you just can't be arsed (I have horrendous luck with harddrives and partitions, to the point that it's a genuine curse)
[18:01] <daftykins> hehehe
[18:01] <daftykins> i would definitely like to identify the motherboard here
[18:01] <daftykins> any info on brand or model from inside the BIOS?
[18:02] <daftykins> a picture of the main screen there would be handy
[18:02] <omni3> ok, i can display the post, but I have less than a second to take the picture
[18:02] <omni3> give me a minute or two to actually time it right
[18:03] <daftykins> nah i mean hit delete and get into the screen there
[18:03] <daftykins> unless you mean you see a model number or similar on the POST
[18:03] <omni3> there's not a lot on the main screen, tad more in system information
[18:03] <omni3> actually
[18:03] <omni3> i'll do a video
[18:04] <omni3> or take photos of all pages
[18:05] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:06] <omni3> uploading to imgur now
[18:07] <omni3> bulba is a cracking analyst and commentator
[18:07] <omni3> ah crap, wrong window.
[18:07] <omni3> sorry
[18:07] <daftykins> sounds like a fine gent
[18:07] <daftykins> or lady
[18:07] <omni3> (I'm watching the dota starladder tournament in the background)
[18:08] <daftykins> ah i installed that but never even got around to trying it. it angers me how many frequent huge patches it gets =|
[18:08] <omni3> haha, that's a good thing (generally)
[18:08] <omni3> it's a great game, but it's got a horrendous learning curve
[18:09] <omni3> don't expect to enjoy your first 200 hours or so
[18:09] <omni3> still uploading photos (slow internet), 3/4
[18:10] <diddledan_> holy banana, 200 hours of pain?!
[18:10] <diddledan_> that sounds sucky
[18:10] <daftykins> i hear nobody ever truly gets good at it, either
[18:10] <omni3> yeah, pretty much. that's assuming you have someone who you can learn from really. if you're totally left to yourself, it can be awful. there's just so much to learn
[18:10] <omni3> nah, you can get good
[18:11] <omni3> i have around 1300 hours now, and I'm competent at it, although not particularly good
[18:11] <daftykins> crikey
[18:13] <omni3> right, Frx3Xar, AUmXKZS, A5aJrhn, j2Ury8c
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> thnx for the passwords
[18:13] <omni3> (needed to type it up)
[18:13] <omni3> LOL
[18:13] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/Frx3Xar.jpg
[18:14] <daftykins> ;D
[18:14] <omni3> I recognise your username, several years ago you once dedicated about 20-30 minutes of your time to help me on an issue
[18:14] <omni3> MartijnVdS:
[18:14] <daftykins> that looks a bit like an Asus
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> omni3: I did? No problem :)
[18:14] <omni3> asus sounds right, i'm trying to get a picture of the post display, as it's got a lot of info (probably helpful), but it's hard to time
[18:14] <daftykins> ah no way it's a Q6600 just like my desktop
[18:14] <daftykins> omni3: remember the ol' pause key
[18:15] <omni3> so it's not just for decoratoin?
[18:15]  * omni3 gets excited to finally see it in action
[18:15] <daftykins> ah yes there we go, ASUS BIOS version 0414
[18:15] <daftykins> no idea of model of motherboard though
[18:16] <omni3> yeah all that's showing here
[18:16] <omni3> ok, one sec
[18:16] <omni3> new photo coming shortly
[18:16] <daftykins> omni3: ok here's what i'd do, load the BIOS defaults then save and exit. plug in the USB flash drive to a motherboard port and power off, then power up and use F8 to get the boot menu
[18:18] <omni3> :o
[18:18] <omni3> I just did what you said
[18:18] <omni3> and I saw something that I've not seen in 10 years
[18:18] <omni3> "1st Floppy Drive"
[18:18] <omni3> (there's no USB option)
[18:18] <omni3> http://imgur.com/JmBj2Me
[18:18] <omni3> for the post display
[18:20] <omni3> we're in!
[18:20] <omni3> changed port (again) at the back
[18:20] <daftykins> oh my word
[18:20] <omni3> and I'm on the usb menu
[18:20] <daftykins> that's an Asus P5K
[18:20] <daftykins> i think that's my mobo
[18:20] <daftykins> :D
[18:20] <omni3> is it any good? I only ever use it for streaming and media on my pc
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> btw.. sabdfl sings now?
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> compare:
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Mark-Shuttleworth-Says-that-Ubuntu-Is-Now-the-Biggest-OS-in-the-Cloud.jpg
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61B-7wVkxxL.jpg
[18:21] <daftykins> omni3: the LGA775 socket is ancient now, i built my setup 6 years ago. uses DDR2 as well, so nothing can be replaced as it's all old and dead generation
[18:21] <daftykins> i'm typing from it now as my main desktop though :)
[18:22] <daftykins> the Q6600 is an ace processor, coupled with 8GB RAM and SSDs, it flies
[18:22] <omni3> ok, i mean this is 2gb ram and stuff, probably useless for anything really taxing
[18:22] <omni3> ok, it loaded the live up successfully
[18:23] <omni3> i'm going to backup a few things quickly, then install the full thing before my luck runs out
[18:23] <penguin42> it was an ace processor about 10 years ago
[18:23] <omni3> guys, daftykins, diddledan_, penguin42, foobarry and everyone who has helped me today, thanks so much, I really appreciate it
[18:24] <daftykins> anytime sir :)
[18:24] <daftykins> penguin42: aww, but it's lovely! :D
[18:24] <daftykins> my VMs on a RAID-0'd pair of 300GB WD velociraptors fly
[18:27] <daftykins> i'd get something new but i don't like spending until there's going to be a proper jump in performance again
[18:27] <diddledan_> I've killed my QX6700 many times by using GPT instead of MBR partitioning (such as a hybrid-gpt+mbr) because my bios either doesn't support the spec completely or follows it too rigidly (I forget which)
[18:28] <diddledan_> basically using gdisk to create a gpt label will cause the entire system to stall mid-post
[18:28] <penguin42> oh that's annoying
[18:28] <diddledan_> no errors, just a lack of progression through the remainder of the post cycle
[18:30] <diddledan_> it gets to where you'd expect it to "detect hard discs" but the message never appears and it just sits there
[18:31] <diddledan_> one sure way of getting it deadified is to install citrix xenserver
[18:34] <penguin42> hmm, I hadn't spotted those but they look nice; haswell-E's 6 core/3.3GHz - #300 inc
[18:39] <omni3> hey guys, if i might ask, how do I do a folder connection across a network between windows and ubuntu?
[18:39] <omni3> I remember doing it before, and there's a specific term or something, but I can't remember
[18:40] <omni3> what I want to do is just copy files across a network
[18:41] <diddledan_> samba?
[18:41] <omni3> that sounds familiar, do you remember how I set it up?
[18:41] <omni3> do I do samba.ip?
[18:42] <diddledan_> in ubuntu the simplest way is to open the file manager and "connect to server" with the address smb://ip-or-hostname/share-name
[18:42] <diddledan_> that's accessing a windows folder in ubuntu
[18:42] <diddledan_> for the reverse you need to jump through a few more hoops
[18:44] <diddledan_> specifically you need to use smbpasswd(?) to set a password for the windows world and then you need to share the folder (easiest is through the file manager again)
[18:45] <omni3> I see
[18:45] <omni3> I have the theory right, that if I have a windows folder in ubuntu, I can just drag/drop into it?
[18:45] <omni3> and that's all I need?
[20:17] <diddledan_> anyone got a spare fortune? http://www.tranquilpcshop.co.uk/ubuntu-orange-box/
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> as a desktop pc?
[20:19] <isleofmandan> A bit over-specced for my needs...
[20:20] <popey> not really designed to be sold
[20:20] <diddledan_> popey: that doesn't stop me wanting one :-p
[20:20] <diddledan_> or two
[20:20] <popey> heh, sure
[20:20] <diddledan_> two would be good
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> well the weight and bulk rules out shoplifting for amateurs :-p
[20:21] <popey> when i first saw them in the office I was one of many fawning over them
[20:21] <diddledan_> great concept if you ask me - even though it's envisioned as a demo I can well believe that they'd be great for small business clustering
[20:22] <diddledan_> I like the idea of "cloud in a box"
[20:22] <zmoylan-pi> a server rack in a box
[20:22] <daftykins> i've been given this by a friend, but it's got a dead battery and mains adapter - http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.2-white-13-late-2007-santa-rosa-specs.html
[20:22] <diddledan_> but.. if it's a cloud in a box, won't it get wet? :-p
[20:22] <daftykins> i don't think it's really even worth fixing up :/
[20:22] <daftykins> pretty old spec
[20:22] <daftykins> it can't take newer than OS X 10.7 i think
[20:24] <diddledan_> daftykins: yeah the gfx was going to be a pain on more recent osx so they pulled support for them entirely
[20:24] <diddledan_> I _think_ I'm correct in that anyway
[20:24] <daftykins> wow!
[20:24] <daftykins> in terms of 3D support for even the desktop?
[20:24] <popey> i think i know someone who still rocks one of them
[20:25] <popey> reminds me, i need to decide on a laptop before january ☻
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> main purpose of laptop?
[20:25] <popey> work
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> beefy v frugal v cheap
[20:25] <popey> will probably end up going for the dell xps13 i imagine
[20:26] <popey> neither frugal nor cheap
[20:26] <popey> got my laptop budget set aside
[20:26] <zmoylan-pi> then a gamers laptop that supports linux 100%
[20:26] <popey> gamer = heavy + fans
[20:26] <popey> dont really need nvidia
[20:26] <diddledan_> it's rare for an off-the-shelf "windows" laptop to be 100% under loonix
[20:27] <diddledan_> although it's certainly a LOT better than it used to be
[20:27] <zmoylan-pi> some high end business laptop then?
[20:27] <popey> optimus is the annoyance now then
[20:27] <popey> i want 1080p or higher
[20:28] <popey> higher would be awesome
[20:28] <diddledan_> yeah the optimus is just nuts
[20:29] <diddledan_> rawr: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B05lSJ9IAAAB2xQ.jpg
[20:29]  * zmoylan-pi is tempted by http://pi-top.com/ :-)
[20:29] <isleofmandan> 1080p is a mixed blessing. My XPS 13 isn't on full resolution. Everything is too small for my eyes if I use the native resolution!
[20:30] <popey> you have the touch version?
[20:30] <isleofmandan> nope
[20:30] <popey> well, mostly it'll be connected to a 1080p display
[20:31] <popey> maybe i should just save the money and get a high res desktop display and keep the laptop longer
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> a chromebook using data to link to beefy home pc?
[20:33] <daftykins> popey: what are you kicking around these days, spec wise?
[20:33] <popey> my x220 is coming up 3 years old in jan
[20:33] <popey> i7, 16GB, 2x250GB SSD.
[20:33] <isleofmandan> Better spec than XPS13. Keep the x220 :)
[20:33] <popey> heh
[20:33] <daftykins> nothing wrong with that!
[20:34] <popey> out of warranty in jan.
[20:34] <daftykins> oh i see
[20:34] <zmoylan-pi> don't use it to fend off zombies after that date :-)
[20:35] <popey> and I just got my laptop budget
[20:35] <shauno> mine's starting to feel quite elderly too :(
[20:35] <isleofmandan> Warranty? My XPS13 only had 12 months. That finished in the summer...  If it breaks, there are soldering irons :)
[20:35] <daftykins> i'm tired of 1366x768 on this 13" Asus :(
[20:35] <popey> ditto
[20:35] <popey> i paid for 3 years NBD on the x220
[20:35] <popey> have used is 4 times!
[20:35] <daftykins> ! what died?
[20:35] <popey> i need my laptop for my job
[20:36] <isleofmandan> Oh... Reliability issues then? I thought x220 was rock sold
[20:36] <isleofmandan> solid
[20:36] <popey> display, mobo, fan
[20:36] <isleofmandan> ouch
[20:36] <popey> so basically it's triggers broom
[20:36] <zmoylan-pi> did you cause the hardware failures?
[20:36] <popey> and anything i buy needs to last
[20:36] <popey> no. duh
[20:37] <popey> i asked lenovo if i could extend the warranty but they said no
[20:37] <isleofmandan> Yep. I don't *need* my machine for work, so it's different for me.
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> well i've seen people do dumb things with hardware without thinking or accident or random
[20:37] <popey> i mean, i have a desktop pc too, i could use that as a backup if needed
[20:38] <shauno> I ran mine over with an office chair :)  I think that's on the 'dumb' scale somewhere
[20:38] <isleofmandan> Yeah, but that relies on you keeping things in sync. Which nobody ever does properly.
[20:38] <zmoylan-pi> my favourite was the brand new in 80s sharp laptop when it was a whole new idea and some rich plonker picked up laptop and threw it in back seat like he did with briefcase
[20:39] <popey> right now I'm typing on my backup/backup x61
[20:39] <popey> x61s in fact
[20:39] <popey> (under windows tho)
[20:40] <daftykins> Lenovos are pretty pricey
[20:41] <popey> i got 20% off
[20:41] <daftykins> i got an x240 i think it is for the boss a bit ago
[20:41] <popey> the x1 carbon touch looks nice, but lenovo have gone mental with the keyboard
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> detri-mental?
[20:41] <popey> completely
[20:42] <daftykins> yeah i saw that
[20:42] <Myrtti> mäy I just say here: I ♥ LaTeX
[20:42] <Myrtti> that is all
[20:42] <Myrtti> continue
[20:42] <daftykins> that's the one with the touch sensitive top row as well, right?
[20:43] <isleofmandan> I used to like Lenovo machines until I met one! EFI/BIOS is buggy as can be: http://danw.info/2014/02/the-weirdest-bug-lenovo-ideapad-s205/
[20:54] <daftykins> isleofmandan: hah that's crazy
[20:54] <daftykins> probably got fixed in an update though ;)
[20:54] <isleofmandan> I thought it's be a 15 min job over a cup of tea :)
[20:55] <isleofmandan> Still, It's been going strong ever since. And Ubuntu has behaved impeccably. I'm slowly converting the island. One machine at a time...
[20:57] <daftykins> i wouldn't like to be there for an upgrade
[20:57] <daftykins> ;)
[20:58] <isleofmandan> True :)
[20:59] <daftykins> ooh i think i found a new sport
[20:59] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/gallery/m09yFoF
[20:59] <zmoylan-pi> full contact tiddywinks? :-)
[20:59] <daftykins> even better than that!
[21:00] <daftykins> isleofmandan: still, that's why we wisely rock LTS :D
[21:01] <zmoylan-pi> giving pills to herd of cats speed competition? :-)
[21:01] <daftykins> i'm actually typing from a lucid LTS server install, probably time i sort that out
[21:01] <daftykins> only got... 6 months left now i think?
[21:01] <isleofmandan> Actually I installed 14.10 on this laptop just the other day... My servers are all LTS though.
[21:02] <daftykins> oh yeah, but for peoples you work on i mean
[21:02] <isleofmandan> Oh yeah, usually recommend the LTS releases. Saves me having to go back and tinker.
[21:02] <MooDoo> howdy all
[21:03] <isleofmandan> Evening MooDoo
[21:03] <MooDoo> ooo just running a 14.10 upgrade on this laptop as we speak :D
[21:04] <isleofmandan> I went for a clean install (because I wanted to see if I could stop using 'legacy' ROM option in EFI)
[21:04] <popey> hmm.. looking at other thinkpads
[21:04] <popey> http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t440s/
[21:04] <zmoylan-pi> lenovo seems to have dropped the ball with thinkpads.  don't see as many of them about
[21:04] <popey> looks chunky
[21:04] <isleofmandan> I'd pick a thinkpad over XPS13 if it was a machine I needed to depend on.
[21:04] <popey> at the sprint last week it was all thinkpads, macs and dell xps's
[21:06] <isleofmandan> Macs are most popular at our local code club. Seem to have cornered the developer market!
[21:06] <daftykins> popey: i saw one solitary HP in one pic someone shared here :D
[21:06] <popey> community team is 75% thinkpads
[21:07] <popey> i didnt even use my charger once, used everyone elses
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> but how many of them are new thinkpads?
[21:07] <popey> none
[21:07] <popey> all 2+ years old
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> are any of them still ibm thinkpads lurking around? :-)
[21:07] <daftykins> my current Asus does 8-10hrs, i can't wait until things are even better than that
[21:08] <shauno> we have a couple of thinkpads knocking around at work
[21:08] <shauno> they just won't die
[21:08] <isleofmandan> Loads of thinkpad spares on Ebay too. Friend got a refurb machine for 60 quid, and a few parts from Ebay and now has a very nice machine for a shade over 100 quid.
[21:08] <daftykins> that new battery technology that's meant to provide sub 30-min charge times sounds exciting
[21:08] <popey> yeah, i bought this x61s for 60 quid
[21:08] <zmoylan-pi> batteries shouldn't be exciting, that tends to suggest blast radius
[21:10] <czajkowski> popey: welcome back
[21:10] <popey> ta
[21:42] <diddledan_> who does the uukstats page? ('cos it seems offline for the past few)
[21:43] <dutchie> popey: i have a t440s
[21:43] <dutchie> it's nice
[21:43] <popey> diddledan_: brobostigon
[21:48] <brobostigon> yes popey ?
[21:48] <diddledan_> o/
[21:48] <diddledan_> brobostigon: stats is down
[21:48] <diddledan_> :-p
[21:49] <brobostigon> ok, minute.
[21:53] <brobostigon> diddledan_: and now?
[21:53] <diddledan_> yup, working again
[21:53] <diddledan_> ta
[21:53] <brobostigon> i just restarted apache,
[21:54] <diddledan_> heh
[21:54] <MooDoo> brobostigon: remind me where they are again, I was looking for them the other day :)
[21:54] <diddledan_> MooDoo: topic
[21:54] <brobostigon> taylorworld.me.uk
[21:54] <diddledan_> specifically: http://tinyurl.com/uukstat
[21:55] <MooDoo> That's the ones :D   davmor2 I'm after you sir! :D
[21:55] <MooDoo> diddledan_: you're loosing out as you have the _ ;)
[21:55] <brobostigon> weird, something must have happened to apache,
[21:56] <diddledan_> MooDoo: soon fix that
[21:56] <diddledan> MooDoo: now it should know I'm both :-p
[21:56] <brobostigon> anyways, sorry boys and girls.
[21:57] <MooDoo> :)
[21:58] <brobostigon> :)
[21:58] <shauno> they can't be right?  they have me above foobarry. and mapps.
[21:58] <diddledan> I've been fiddling with pisg myself.. specifically to parse the entire history of ubuntu since the big bang as logged by ubuntulog_
[21:59] <diddledan> http://ubuntu-irc-analysis.bowlhat.net/ <-- WIP
[22:00] <shauno> wow.  some serious utf-fail across a lot of the locos
[22:00] <diddledan> ouch
[22:01] <shauno> you're welcome :)
[22:01] <shauno> -ps is as messy as the same would imply
[22:02]  * brobostigon puts bbc on, RHGN :)
[22:02] <brobostigon> bbc2*
[22:02] <daftykins> me, ali and Azelphur are active at the same sorts of times :>
[22:02] <shauno> -ps seems to be logging server messages too.  "you're now know as .." is in in 22nd place
[22:03] <MooDoo> big difference in some of the results between the too, take a look at czajkowski for instance.
[22:03] <Azelphur> :)
[22:04] <shauno> I also notice Azelphur is !ohmy on brobostigon's  ;)
[22:04] <Azelphur> huh?
[22:05] <MooDoo> brb upgrade to utopic has just finished and I need to restart
[22:05] <shauno> the random quote it's showing me
[22:05] <Azelphur> ah hehe
[22:05] <diddledan> !ohmy
[22:05] <shauno> ^ needs more Takei
[22:05] <diddledan> !ohmyyy
[22:07] <diddledan> does the bot learn?
[22:07] <zmoylan-pi> gort, klatu barada niktu!
[22:07] <shauno> I believe it learns, but it's very selective about its teachers
[22:07] <diddledan> I tried msging it with "!learn something" but it didn't
[22:07] <MooDoo> well that worked, upgrade successful
[22:07] <diddledan> MooDoo: \o/
[22:07]  * brobostigon has done 4500 steps today, and burned 950 calories according to his pebble today.
[22:08] <zmoylan-pi> you tied your pebble to the dog? :-)
[22:08] <brobostigon> heh :(
[22:20] <diddledan> interesting - wordpress are leaving irc (for their dev talk)
[22:20] <diddledan> https://make.wordpress.org/chat/
[22:20] <shauno> lol @ friendly
[22:21] <shauno> they're right, their channel isn't friendly.  but I don't believe the platform is the problem
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> and if you aren't on the android/ios bandwagon?
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> lost a valuabe few % right there
[22:22] <diddledan> IRC is still used becasue it's a solid platform
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> and everywhere
[22:22] <zmoylan-pi> is there a platform that can't irc?
[22:22] <daftykins> "Many contributors aren’t technical, and IRC can be a struggle for even technical users."
[22:22] <daftykins> wat
[22:23] <diddledan> speaking of "wat" https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
[22:26] <daftykins> lol thats great
[22:27] <daftykins> that drum playing t-rex, ermagerd
[22:34] <diddledan> in terms of platforms' irc ability - pretty much everything can do it IIRC - maybe not DOS tho
[22:35] <shauno> why not dos?
[22:35] <diddledan> ircjr does dos
[22:35] <diddledan> it'll even run on 8088 cpus
[22:35] <diddledan> dos2.1+
[22:36] <diddledan> http://www.brutman.com/mTCP/IRCjr.html
[22:36] <shauno> yeah, I was gonna say mTCP.  pretty much anywhere there's a tcp stack, there's an irc client
[22:40] <diddledan> going back to wordpress abandoning irc tho - they say it's complex, but it's the simplicity that draws me
[22:40] <daftykins> i remember prior to my very first join i didn't understand the whole 'servers' thing, but once i got beyond that i quite enjoyed learning it all
[22:40] <diddledan> "n00bs be like wtf is the font setting?!"
[22:41] <daftykins> i suppose people of modern generations are petrified of commands though ¬_¬
[22:41] <shauno> I tried this slack, but I have to create another wordpress account (?) before I can create a slack account
[22:41] <diddledan> shauno: you don't have a wordpress account?
[22:42] <shauno> I thought I already had a wp account, but that was a wp.com account not a wp.org account
[22:42] <diddledan> aah
[22:42] <diddledan> yeah
[22:42] <shauno> and it wants a .org account before you can sign up for slack
[22:42] <diddledan> that's a distinction I find odd
[22:42] <shauno> that's about the point where I got bored :)
[22:43] <diddledan> we use slack at work becuase shiny
[22:43] <diddledan> I'd prefer to use irc
[22:43] <shauno> that's different, you're wannabe hipsters.  you use node and all that other nonsense.
[22:44] <daftykins> ;)
[22:44] <diddledan> I tried turning on the irc gateway but it complained that I wasn't the account owner
[22:47] <zmoylan-pi> i have a nokia s40 phone on irc.  runs all day without affecting the battery when i want it
[22:49] <diddledan> one nice thing about slack is that it effectively maintains a history of everything that happens when you're awol so you can scroll-back even if you weren't logged-in at the time
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> that's what my pi is for :-)
[22:49] <diddledan> heh
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> sits in kitchen next to wifi ap running on phone charger
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> and i find myself using the pi more and more for getting stuff done on computers connecting to it via ssh
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> no time/cpu/ram wasting gui :-)
[22:51] <shauno> and here I just play sega on mine :)
[22:52] <daftykins> XD
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> i'm thinking a second pi with a hdmipi and running risc os on it as a laptop replacement
[22:54] <shauno> a second?  you only have one?
[22:55] <zmoylan-pi> an original b not the new shiny b+
[22:56] <diddledan> with 256 or 512?
[22:56] <shauno> seems there's an a+ coming too.  I wonder what they'll do with that
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> 512
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> more power frugal seems to be the direction
[22:56] <diddledan> aah, I was an early adopter - my first two came with 256 each
[22:57] <shauno> I've only got one with 256
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> even running the gui on startup it reports only using 150mb day to day
[22:57] <shauno> it lives hoooked up to a breadboard as the 'victim' .. the one I care less about if I oops
[22:57] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: do you run raspbian on it?
[22:57] <zmoylan-pi> yup
[22:57] <daftykins> i have not used one before
[22:58] <diddledan> where's alanbell?! I want ubuntu on it already :-p
[22:58] <daftykins> yeah, i haven't heard anything about that pi build project
[22:59] <diddledan> the last word was an initial website set up with a photo of the cluster
[22:59] <shauno> there's a guy at work uses one to irc past the web filter
[22:59] <daftykins> heh
[22:59] <diddledan> libertos.org
[22:59] <shauno> it's just a serial console & a 3g modem
[23:00] <popey> i heard a rumour they are releasing a new pi soon, which will be armv7
[23:00] <diddledan> :-o
[23:00] <shauno> that'd make it ubuntable?
[23:00] <popey> yes
[23:00] <shauno> (I'm not sure if that's a word, but it's surprisingly easy to pronounce)
[23:02] <daftykins> :D
[23:02] <daftykins> i concur!
[23:02] <popey> AlanBell: if you come up with some specific blockers, maybe someone can help?
[23:02] <zmoylan-pi> there will be no new pi other than a rehash of the model a.  at least that's the official line
[23:02] <daftykins> maybe it'll be something with a new name
[23:02] <popey> yeah, i dont believe that
[23:02] <daftykins> rasperrycake
[23:03] <daftykins> +p
[23:03] <daftykins> oops +b
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> a model c is supposed to be 2 years away as they concentrate on a and b
[23:03] <shauno> it's a "rock and a hard place" scenario.  I can understand that they don't want to facture the community, as the community is the only thing that makes the pi better than the various other sbcs
[23:03] <zmoylan-pi> having a static platform is required for teaching
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> the longer it is around the more people will squeeze out of it
[23:04] <zmoylan-pi> when the zx spectrum was first released it was considered a terrible platform for vector graphic games but programmers got smarter
[23:05] <popey> yeah, i remember Starglider on the speccy 128 fondly
[23:06] <daftykins> :)
[23:06] <zmoylan-pi> docking complete!
[23:06] <popey> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3214002/ this evening
[23:07] <daftykins> huzzah
[23:07]  * popey hugs netflix
[23:08] <daftykins> i prefer consistent quality :D
[23:14] <shauno> my netflix is broken.  quite badly :(
[23:14] <daftykins> how-so?
[23:15] <shauno> it gives me the list of content from netflix-US
[23:15] <shauno> but will only let me play things that are on netflix-ireland
[23:16] <zmoylan-pi> i think that's to make you learn how to set up a vpn :-)
[23:17] <shauno> nah.  I just steal what I need
[23:17] <shauno> any time their incompetence makes piracy easier, I opt for piracy
[23:19] <daftykins> :D
[23:19] <shauno> it really shouldn't be a good thing though, right?
[23:19] <shauno> I pay for netflix, I pay for iplayer-global ..
[23:20] <shauno> I think I pay for the bbc twice, on iplayer-global & on cable.  but it's still easiest to get dr who & top gear off usenet
[23:20] <shauno> something's very broken there
[23:22] <popey> tomorrow is new tv day
[23:25] <shauno> I keep telling myself I'll wait until I move :)
[23:27] <shauno> I thought my plasma was the bees knees until I saw a friend's wafer-thing samsung thingie.  now I'm suspecting that this will be easier to give away than move when I finally go
[23:27] <jussi> morning crazy UK peoples :)
[23:28] <jussi> been a while since I have been around... :)
[23:28] <popey> yeah, my plasma needs to go
[23:30] <jussi> popey: what sort of tv will you upgrade to?
[23:30] <shauno> when I eventually pull it off, I'm planning on moving to the continent.  which is why big heavy stuff like the TV gets an odd look and a ponder
[23:30] <popey> an LED one smaller than current one
[23:31] <jussi> popey: what is the current one?
[23:31] <jussi> We have a really nice LED 42 inch LG
[23:32] <jussi> it happens to have 3D on it, but its a gimmick, rarely used.
[23:33] <popey> some crappy philips plasma
[23:34] <jussi> big one? probably eats the electricty right?
[23:34] <popey> 42"
[23:34] <popey> probably, yeah
[23:34] <jussi> we had an epic storm here last night: http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/news/wild-weather-huge-storm-hits-melbourne-and-western-victoria/story-fnjbnts5-1227103101936
[23:44] <shauno> I wonder how messy it'd be to add overlays to retroarch
[23:45] <shauno> I keep losing races because I pause a game for 30 minutes, go back to it and can't remember which button is Accelerate.  It could be interesting to overlay a map of the controller on the pause screen


[09:01] <k1l> oooooooooooo is niggard
[09:02] <k1l> @comment 75930
[10:18] <ikonia> k1l_: how do you know ooooooooo is niggard ?
[10:19] <k1l_> same attitude, same ident, new account registered the moment niggard got banned in #u
[10:19] <ikonia> oh really, on the same day
[10:20] <k1l_> Registered : Mar 30 09:15:59 2017 (1w 0d 1h ago)
 I came with popcorn, did you already discuss the news about Ubuntu switching to GNOME and stopping the development of Unity 8 and Ubuntu Phone?
[11:52] <bazhang> LinuxAdventure_>
[11:53] <bazhang> seems to be getting way ot