[08:44] <gijosh> directory*
[08:44] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 will linux make the crossover to ibm easy, or is it going to be like starting from scratch?
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> rm can do that as well. :P
[08:45] <hondje> crossing over to IBM what?
[08:45] <hondje> AIX?
[08:45] <ubuntudriftfast1> yea
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: how do you mean?  AIX?
[08:45] <gijosh> Dr_Willis  Well when I tried I got the message that it's a directory..
[08:45] <holycow> tanki, not only that ....
[08:45] <ubuntudriftfast1> aix
[08:45] <Trackilizer> i read this blog the other day where a guy who always used linix went to windows xp
[08:45] <holycow> ... i love the bsa organization
[08:45] <tanki> aix and xenox sitting in a tree..
[08:45] <Trackilizer> he couldnt work with it
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> or rmdir, or rm -rf
[08:45] <hondje> The fundamentals are the same
[08:45] <holycow> i wish they would do like weekly raids
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: basic unix usage is pretty standard, but AIX has some of it's own quirks
[08:45] <ws009> hiiiiii
[08:45] <gijosh> Dr_Willis Thanks man
[08:45] <Trackilizer> cause he had to look for all his apps online
[08:45] <holycow> that would REALLY make open source a very attractive proposition
[08:45] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: if you expect to admin AIX boxes, you'll want an AIX-specific book, or an AIX person to help you
[08:45] <Trackilizer> he was used to "apt-get"
[08:46] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 i just want to be prepared when i get into the industry, and dont want to leave anything out
[08:46] <tanki> holycow, open source yeah but not necessarily GNU
[08:46] <Trackilizer> he left win after only 1 week
[08:46] <rommer> PoopinClumpin: i basically want to learn more about it, going to try server web pages to start off with (they r slow computers)
[08:46] <La_PaRCa> download.com cant hold a candle to universe!!!
[08:47] <ubuntudriftfast1> whats the longest a linux server has ever stayed online for ?
[08:47] <bob2> non-free software for windows, basically
[08:47] <La_PaRCa> look at the windows n00b. Let him run in the wind!
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: years
[08:47] <Razor-X> ubuntudriftfast1: Linux servers have nice uptimes
[08:47] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: but uptime is not a useful measure of anything, except for guessing how many kernel exploits you can throw at a particular machine
[08:47] <IIIEars> ubuntulog, - no aweat - give ubuntu a try. - you will like it and have a good basic knowledge in no time. - sure beats using an unreliable windows box.
[08:47] <ubuntudriftfast1> and i can run ubuntu as server?
[08:47] <tanki> i'd be scared to have an account on a box that hasn't been rebooted in years though
[08:47] <Razor-X> BSD servers have kickass fscking uptimes ;)
[08:47] <tanki> you can't hotfix kernels
[08:47] <Trackilizer> do you guys think there ever will be a google OS
[08:47] <Trackilizer> ?
[08:47] <hondje> there already is
[08:48] <Trackilizer> there is?
[08:48] <hondje> I'm sure google has customized the hell out of their installs
[08:48] <bob2> tanki: hmm, depends
[08:48] <bob2> if it's a problem in a module, you can
[08:48] <bob2> (sometimes)
[08:48] <Razor-X> Trackilizer: I don't like the concept of ``A google world''
[08:48] <hondje> wow
[08:48] <hondje> all this software at download.com sucks
[08:48] <Razor-X> google has a nice search engine
[08:48] <Razor-X> but, I think it's move for uniformity is useless
[08:48] <Ghetek> how do i list all hard drive/partitions?
[08:48] <desrt> hondje; any of it free?
[08:48] <La_PaRCa> Razor-X, right on... Google is getting a wee bit scarringly big.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> hondje,  lol - and its like 90% spam/ad/demoware
[08:48] <desrt> Ghetek; cat /proc/partitions
[08:49] <hondje> as in beer?
[08:49] <IIIEars> hondje - how does google do it? - geez - even image files can trip up a server and they surf everywhere.
[08:49] <desrt> hondje; as in free
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> Ghetek,  fdisk -l
[08:49] <cat> hey i have a question can i changed from sarge to ubuntu?
[08:49] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 at what time when your modifying a linux kernal does it become a new distro? Has anyone done it on a user level or are they all major proj.?
[08:49] <desrt> Dr_Willis; oo.  that's nice.
[08:49] <hondje> IIIEars: lots of cheap distributed clients, and tons of presearching
[08:49] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: differences between kernels are not huge between distros
[08:49] <hondje> they index a bizarre amount of searches in advance
[08:49] <bob2> well, they can be large, but it's not the important change
[08:50] <bob2> cat: not easily
[08:50] <tanki> bob is right as long as the distro uses a GNU kernel
[08:50] <hondje> um, the GNU kernel is Hurd
[08:50] <hondje> :)
[08:50] <bob2> hurd would make it even easier, but you can hotfix large parts of linux
[08:51] <holycow> tanki, good point on gnu, but not everything or everyone agrees with 100 % free software
[08:51] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 howabout throwing a good place to download codecs etc.... so i can watch vids
[08:51] <rommer> i have a couple of identical computers that i am looking to turn into a cluster using ubuntu linux, anyone have an idea on how to do this
[08:51] <holycow> tanki, i'm not so sure its a good idea that everything is gnu, as much as it is a goal to strive for
[08:51] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:51] <bob2> rommer: what do you want them to do?
[08:51] <IIIEars> Anyone see the new calition between Intel and microsoft on DRM? - techrepublic sent out an email
[08:51] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 Im real stoked as it is seeing how i just swtiched from a server03 with no sound. I feel like im free
[08:51] <bob2> "cluster" can mean lots of thing
[08:52] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 thanks
[08:52] <IIIEars> erm "coalition"
[08:52] <pef> bonjour
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> rommer,  check out the cluster linux info sites.. and a 'cluster' linux speficic disrto
[08:52] <tanki> holycow, yeah that's up for debate
[08:52] <pef> hi
[08:52] <pef> :]
[08:52] <hondje> Imagine a beowulf cluster of them....
[08:52] <Madpilot> IIIEars: yeah, the built-in monitor-DRM cr*p? saw that...
[08:52] <ColonelKernel> is there openmosix for 2.6 kernels yet?
[08:52] <rommer> bob2: spread processes over all nodes of the cluster
[08:53] <bob2> rommer: to do what?
[08:53] <tanki> hurd is a wasteful step towards EROS/Vapour
[08:53] <bob2> do you mean mosix? LRI?
[08:53] <RichardC> i followed the steps here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs for installing multimedia codecs, however i dont believe everything installed correctly.  from the System->preferences->multimedia systems selector, under the video tab, video 4 linux was set as the input source, but when i press test, i get the error: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'Video for Linux (v4l)'"  Anyone know what to do?
[08:53] <RichardC> woops
[08:53] <RichardC> long post
[08:53] <bob2> tanki: no, it's a highly useful project, that a bunch of people enjoy working on
[08:53] <rommer> mosix
[08:53] <ubuntudriftfast1> bob2 and everyone else, have a good night and thanks
[08:53] <bob2> RichardC: do you know waht V4L is?
[08:53] <bob2> ubuntudriftfast1: adios
[08:53] <RichardC> bob2: nope
[08:54] <hacked`> guys, i just installed ubuntu, and it installed grub at the end, and now when my pc boots it says "grub loading stage1.5   grub loading, please wait... Error 17" and my PC just hangs there
[08:54] <RichardC> just figured that the default should work
[08:54] <RichardC> hacked`: maybe this will help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html
[08:54] <Razor-X> I wish my friend had loaned me his physical book instead of his PDF :(
[08:54] <tanki> btw HURD is NOT a kernel, it's a series of server running on the Mach MicroKernel.. which means you could write up a linux server on HURD and run it like linux but dont get them confused
[08:54] <Razor-X> he spent money on the whole thing, why give me just the PDF
[08:55] <bob2> RichardC: it requires special hardware for video input
[08:55] <Razor-X> I'm a big fan of printed books
[08:55] <bob2> RichardC: if you don't have that hardware, it's unsurprising that it doesnt work ;p
[08:55] <RichardC> bob2: then why is it the default?
[08:55] <bob2> RichardC: because it's reasonable
[08:55] <Madpilot> Razor-X: yeah, they work when the comp breaks and you're trying to fix it... too bad O'Reilly stuff is so expensive, tho...
[08:55] <tanki> bob2, HURD is probably famous for its slowass development
[08:55] <hondje> usb 3-1: config 1 interface 0 altsetting 0 has 3 endpoint descriptors, different from the interface descriptor's value: 2 <-- anyone know what thatm eans?
[08:56] <RichardC> so what should the video output source be set to?
[08:56] <bob2> tanki: sure, but lots of cool things have bad reps
[08:56] <bob2> RichardC: XVideo is good, if it works
[08:56] <thechitowncubs> why doesn't linux have a way of installing software from websites?
[08:56] <RichardC> sdl and xwindows (no xv) both work
[08:56] <ColonelKernel> i love my dual boot
[08:56] <thechitowncubs> in linux its pretty hard just to go to a website and get software
[08:56] <vladuz976> hi, if i want to add another HD, how would i make ubuntu recognize it? anybody know?
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> thechitowncubs,  it does.
[08:56] <thechitowncubs> i was wondering if there is any plan to resolve these issues
[08:56] <RichardC> bob2: is XWindows (No Xv) ok?
[08:56] <tanki> bob, hurd is mostly just a political effort
[08:56] <highvoltage> thechitowncubs: apt?
[08:56] <bob2> thechitowncubs: it's trivial, but stupid
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> thechitowncubs,  thats easially done with the 'autopackage'  tool - but not everone uses it..
[08:57] <tanki> i mean, linux has a lot of stupidities. but nothing can touch hurd ingeneral incompetence.
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> i know about apt-get and everything
[08:57] <bob2> thechitowncubs: using apt is a far better way to get coherent stuff that works well together
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> i know about building from source
[08:57] <hacked`> wtf, i hate ubuntu
[08:57] <hacked`> i just installed ubuntu, and it installed grub at the end, and now when my pc boots it says "grub loading stage1.5   grub loading, please wait... Error 17" and my PC just hangs there
[08:57] <bob2> tanki: er, are you an OS designer?
[08:57] <Trackilizer> why
[08:57] <Trackilizer> ?
[08:57] <hacked`> what kind of garbage is that
[08:57] <thechitowncubs> but there isn't really an easy way to get 3rd party software that isn't in the repos
[08:57] <Trackilizer> ubuntu is great
[08:57] <bob2> hacked`: thanks for your insightful commentary
[08:57] <nicedreams> Is /dev/hdb only the primary slave or is that for the second hard drive?  Like /dev/hdc would be primary master even if it is a single drive with no other drives right?  Or am I wrong?
[08:57] <bob2> thechitowncubs: the easy way is to get it in the repositories!
[08:57] <ColonelKernel> hacked`, maybe you ought to try another distro then
[08:57] <RichardC> hacked`: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1669.html????
[08:57] <hacked`> whos the one who said earlier that ubuntu "simply works"
[08:57] <hacked`> richardc, tried, does nothing
[08:57] <hondje> I think I found two apps that aren't in the repos
[08:57] <Trackilizer> me
[08:57] <Trackilizer> i said it simply works
[08:58] <Trackilizer> it does for me
[08:58] <bob2> hacked`: so, on your particular hardware, it doesn't
[08:58] <Madpilot> thechitowncubs: if there's a .deb package available,that's usually easy to install. Opera, for example
[08:58] <RichardC> it does fror me
[08:58] <tanki> bob2, I sat down a couple years ago and hacked together a tiny microkernel over a couple of days which I was using for testing some boards, and it could do more than hurd too. and it was a piece of shit..
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> for example, firefox releases updates, the *new* ubuntu user goes to download it and then it doesn't work
[08:58] <Trackilizer> everything just works
[08:58] <bob2> tanki: then I don't think you're in a good position to comment
[08:58] <vladuz976> can anybody help and tell me how to mount my extra hard drive?
[08:58] <hondje> hurds not so bad, it can even run mplayer now hehe
[08:58] <bob2> thechitowncubs: so, they shouldn't download it fro mthere
[08:58] <hacked`> bob2, k, i already had the previous version of ubuntu installed on this same machine, so thats out the window
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> Madpilot: installing it requires going to the console which shouldn't be required of anything
[08:58] <cool_bud> cn anyone help me with es1371 sound card
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> bob2: how should one go about getting a new release of firefox?
[08:59] <bob2> thechitowncubs: by not getting it
[08:59] <Madpilot> thechitowncubs: *shrug* what can you do?
[08:59] <Dr_Willis>  thechitowncubs,   http://www.autopackage.org/downloads.html   - can let ya install stuff without all that  - but it has its own 'problems'
[08:59] <hondje> very zen, ubuntu
[08:59] <bob2> thechitowncubs: and waiting for the next release of ubuntu to come out
[08:59] <tanki> bob2, whys that? I know people who've been developing it for 11 years and it still can't stay up longer than a week
[08:59] <bob2> thechitowncubs: or by running the development version
[08:59] <Madpilot> thechitowncubs: you've been listening to Burgundavia, right? ;)
[08:59] <Trackilizer> my unbuntu cds came
[08:59] <RichardC> bob2: is XVideo (No Xv) ok?
[08:59] <Trackilizer> 5 cds
[08:59] <bob2> tanki: yes, it's been slowly developed...can your kernel run 80% of the Debian archive?
[08:59] <RichardC> wrr
[08:59] <RichardC> err
[08:59] <bob2> RichardC: it's slower, but ok
[08:59] <tanki> their idea of a buffer cache is mmap()'ing the fucking filesystem
[08:59] <Trackilizer> gave 3 away alreday
[08:59] <thechitowncubs> bob2: well i think the user should be able to do it
[08:59] <tanki> lol
[08:59] <hondje> they can do it
[09:00] <RichardC> bob2:so should i use sdl or xwindows?
[09:00] <bob2> thechitowncubs: and I'd like wings so I could fly
[09:00] <hacked`> anyways, is there any way i can not load grub on bootup, and reinstall ubuntu
[09:00] <hondje> but a new user would probably go the easy route and use synaptic
[09:00] <thechitowncubs> i just don't understand it, i have been using ubuntu and think its great for a long time
[09:00] <Burgundavia> thechitowncubs, that is why you wait for your vendor (Ubuntu) to patch
[09:00] <bob2> RichardC: doesn't really matter, I think SDL will use the exact same output method as X Windows in that case
[09:00] <gp_aaron|upstair> is there anyway I can stop Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[09:00] <gp_aaron|upstair>  'Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)'
[09:00] <gp_aaron|upstair> in the drive '/cdrom/' and press enter
[09:00] <gp_aaron|upstair> from coming up
[09:00] <gp_aaron|upstair> every time I try to install something
[09:00] <bob2> thechitowncubs: it's trivial if you want it, setup firefox to install .debs when you click on them, or use autopackage
[09:00] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron|upstair, lauch synaptic and remove the cdrom
[09:00] <thechitowncubs> I guess that makes since, but what about software that isn't in the repos and requires to be built from source
[09:00] <bob2> thechitowncubs: but it's a terrible idea, since it encourages people to install random, broken junk
[09:00] <thechitowncubs> what is the installion model for that
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> edit the apt.cources gp_aaron|upstair  and comment out the cdrom line is another way. :P first line i think.
[09:01] <hondje> 'going to websites' to get stuff is for people without package managers. If a user doesn't want to trust the pkgmanager, they should use something like slackware
[09:01] <gp_aaron|upstair> Burgundavia, it is a server install, no synaptic
[09:01] <bob2> thechitowncubs: things are in ubuntu (main) because they're tested and stable
[09:01] <thechitowncubs> bob2: i understand that
[09:01] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron|upstair, then remove it from your sources.list
[09:01] <Trackilizer> firefox doesnt want to seem to want to update
[09:01] <Burgundavia> gp_aaron|upstair, it should be the first line
[09:01] <gp_aaron|upstair> Dr_Willis, just '#' comment them out?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, firefox update is disabled in Ubuntu
[09:01] <Trackilizer> why?
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> gp_aaron|upstair,  yea. thats all that the synaptic thing does  really. :P
[09:01] <Trackilizer> any reason for that?
[09:01] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, that is the job of our security team to backport the fix
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> :P
[09:02] <hondje> Trackilizer: if you are having problems getting extensions, about:config in the location bar, look for 'vendorSub', and change the version
[09:02] <Trackilizer> if the next ubuntu rls came tommorrow would i have to reinstall the whole thing?
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> The user wants freedom, and being held down by the software available to them provided by their vendor just seems ridiculous.
[09:02] <hondje> other than that, security stuff is done by people who get paid to keep you safe
[09:03] <hondje> You're not being held down
[09:03] <hondje> You're just being asked to rtfm before doing it
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> I perfer security in my os.. vs.. ease to install any random program.
[09:03] <bob2> thechitowncubs: they have freedom
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> i can wait a week or 2 for official updates.
[09:03] <Burgundavia> thechitowncubs, you are free to break you package management system. Just don't expect support when you do
[09:03] <Madpilot> given the amount of stuff in Ubuntu repos, it's hard to describe it as "being held down", really
[09:03] <nicedreams> I have Grub installed and have 3 hard drives (windows | storage drive | ubuntu | dvd-rw).  My second hard drive which is my 'storage drive' has died and I had to remove it.  So now I have (windows | empty | ubuntu | dvd-rw).  Now since I have my storage drive disconnected I get a 'GRUB ERROR 21'.  How can I fix this?  I chroot to my /dev/hdc1 which is ubuntu through Knoppix and now what do I...
[09:03] <nicedreams> ...do?  Please help me out!
[09:04] <thechitowncubs> Alright, thanks for the disscussion everyone... I understand why a lot better now. That is all :)
[09:04] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, Breezy will have a clear upgrade path without a reinstall or needing to download a cd (ala FC)
[09:04] <Trackilizer> cool!
[09:04] <floo> can anyone help with a usb printing problem?
[09:04] <thechitowncubs> So is everyone excited about Breezy :)?
[09:04] <hondje> I am
[09:04] <hondje> lots of neat stuff in gnome 2.12
[09:04] <Trackilizer> when is it coming?
[09:04] <bob2> thechitowncubs: if people really want it, they can configure firefox to install .debs when they click on them.  but it's a bad bad idea.
[09:04] <hondje> october
[09:04] <ColonelKernel> nicedreams, I cannot guarantee this will work, but try out "grub-install -recheck /dev/hda"
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> Im waiting for the Ubuntu site to sell stuffed animal mascots for each release....
[09:04] <gp_aaron|upstair> thanks everyone that helped me
[09:05] <thechitowncubs> bob2: is there an extension or something?
[09:05] <hacked`> i hate stuffed animals
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> hacked`,  even the "stuffed bacteria/viruses" that are getting popular? :P
[09:05] <bob2> thechitowncubs: no, you just associate .deb with "sudo dpkg -i"
[09:05] <hacked`> maybe i'll buy a ubuntu stuffed animal so i can use as a piata
[09:05] <thechitowncubs> interesting, i'd rather not do that :)
[09:05] <floo> I can't get my hp digital copier 410 usb printer to print.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> floo,  that a hp all in one scanner/printer?
[09:06] <thechitowncubs> hondje: what is planned for gnome 2.12?
[09:06] <tanki> It's 3am, what am I doing up? All the sane americans are asleep
[09:06] <floo> it's a printer copier
[09:06] <ColonelKernel> rofl been like 2 weeks now banned in #fedora for mothing
[09:06] <thechitowncubs> tanki: its 2am here :)
[09:06] <Burgundavia> thechitowncubs, here is a rought draft --> http://live.gnome.org/ReleasesNotes2p12Items
[09:06] <floo> it's using hpijs driver but I just can't get it to print
[09:06] <floo> it's detected by the system
[09:06] <ColonelKernel> they did me a favor, now I use ubuntu
[09:06] <thechitowncubs> Burgundavia: thanks
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> floo for my hp1012v  - i had to manually start the hpdoj service i THINK...  i got rid of it a few mo ago...
[09:07] <nicedreams> ColonelKernel: It says /sbin/grub-install: line 389: /dev/null: Permission denied.    I am in Knoppix and I mounted /dev/hdc1 and then 'chroot /mnt/hdc1'   Is that all I need to do to change root to do this?
[09:07] <floo> hpdoj???
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> floo,  there was some service that set the device up and did some other twiddling.. i forget its name. :(
[09:07] <thechitowncubs> Burgundavia: I am intersted in getting involved in Ubuntu, helping out... and i know that you are part of the doc team, what do you recommend for me to look into?
[09:07] <ColonelKernel> nicedreams, I am unsure but I dont know if you have to mount it or not
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> floo may want to check the ubuntu wiki's/forums.
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> well its nap time
[09:07] <Burgundavia> thechitowncubs, if you want to join the doc team, we talk in #ubuntu-doc
[09:07] <floo> ook thanks anyway
[09:07] <ColonelKernel> nicedreams, im used to the automatic rescue process
[09:08] <tanki> thechitowncubs, i need to keep my insomnia in check.. i'm noticing i'm making more european friends because of my sleeping habit
[09:08] <ColonelKernel> and I think you can do linux rescue off of the ubuntu cd - or maybe thats just a fedora thing
[09:08] <Burgundavia> ColonelKernel, you can
[09:08] <ColonelKernel> tanki, yeah i got loads 'o friends overseas
[09:08] <thechitowncubs> tanki: I don't have insomnia, a good book kept me up tonight, and i'd thought i'd get involved more with ubuntu while im up
[09:08] <nicedreams> How I do this recovery thing then?
[09:08] <tanki> thechitowncubs, yeah i already finished the harry potter book
[09:08] <hondje> lol
[09:09] <tanki> thechitowncubs, now i'm going around the web posting spoilers
[09:09] <thechitowncubs> I was actually reading Artemis Fowl
[09:09] <ColonelKernel> ok then nicedreams you should just boot the ubuntu cd and type linux rescue at the prompt
[09:09] <nicedreams> If I need the cd then I'll have to download it again since i gave my copy away...
[09:09] <thechitowncubs> lol tanki
[09:09] <ColonelKernel> bummers!
[09:09] <nicedreams> ColonelKernel: k...i'll do that
[09:09] <ColonelKernel> ubuntu kicks butt so I want it to spread
[09:09] <nicedreams> yeap
[09:09] <Madpilot> Linux is so viral...
[09:09] <nicedreams> i ordered new cd's but they haven't came in about 2 months now
[09:09] <ColonelKernel> i might switch to debian but b/c the channel is so nuts ill prob stick w ubuntu
[09:10] <nicedreams> If it wasn't for ubuntu repositories i'd be using debian
[09:10] <axis> anyone know how to take a screenshot with Kubuntu?
[09:10] <axis> kde
[09:10] <Burgundavia> nicedreams, given that Ubuntu repos are mostly debian...
[09:10] <gijosh> You know how with some window managers when you minimize a window, instead of shooting down the the panel, it stays being able to be moved around?  Is there a way to set that up with Gnome/Metacity
[09:10] <nicedreams> Burgundavia: I thought they were heavily modified?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> nicedreams, some bits are
[09:11] <nicedreams> can I do this linux recovery with knoppix
[09:11] <Burgundavia> nicedreams, any package with an ubuntu# after it has been modified by ubuntu
[09:11] <nicedreams> or do i have to have ubuntu cd?
[09:11] <axis> Anyone know if there's a default app installed within Kubuntu to take screen shots?
[09:11] <nicedreams> Burgundavia: ubuntu seems to have more packages in their repositories though still
[09:11] <bob2> !dstats
[09:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[09:12] <nicedreams> regardless....i'll use it if it's debian based....command line doesn't change at least
[09:12] <Burgundavia> nicedreams, there a few that have made it into ubuntu and not debian. It is easier to get a new package into Ubuntu
[09:12] <nicedreams> oh
[09:12] <hondje> usb 3-1: config 1 interface 0 altsetting 0 has 3 endpoint descriptors, different from the interface descriptor's value: 2 <-- anyone know what that means?
[09:12] <bob2> nicedreams: yeah, in total, Debian has more packages
[09:12] <axis> NM
[09:12] <gp_aaron|upstair> is there a online package list?
[09:12] <axis> lol
[09:12] <bob2> but ubuntu does indeed have some that Debian doesn't
[09:12] <nickrud> 1437, my :)
[09:12] <hondje> packages.ubuntu.org
[09:12] <vladuz976> anybody know if there is a way to make emacs start in the terminal by default?
[09:13] <poningru> can anyone check mozilla.org site
[09:13] <tanki> bob2 i said something nice to you in the other channel
[09:13] <gp_aaron|upstair> thanks
[09:13] <tanki> i'm going to bed, good night
[09:13] <poningru> and see if its down please?
[09:13] <nicedreams> i've noticed the packages I like are in ubuntu more
[09:13] <bob2> gp_aaron|upstair: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/ubuntu_packages_powerpc.txt
[09:13] <bob2> bah
[09:13] <nicedreams> well actualy they are backports
[09:13] <tanki> remember kiddies, only you can prevent core dumps
[09:13] <RQ> hello
[09:13] <hondje> ulimit -c unlimited, for all your reading pleasure
[09:13] <bob2> nicedreams: yes, the backports people have packaged some things that the law would suggest they shouldn't
[09:13] <nicedreams> Can I do a linux recovery from Knoppix?
[09:14] <bob2> nicedreams: depends what you mean by "recovery
[09:14] <nicedreams> like how I need to fix grub
[09:14] <nicedreams> ColonelKernel: said to use ubuntu cd and type 'linux recovery'   is that just ubuntu?
[09:14] <RQ> is there ANY way to get X working in breezy? :)
[09:14] <ColonelKernel> nicedreams, linux rescue
[09:14] <bob2> gp_aaron|upstair: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rweir/ubuntu_packages_powerpc.txt
[09:15] <nicedreams> oh
[09:15] <nicedreams> oops
[09:15] <bob2> poningru: wfm
[09:15] <Burgundavia> RQ, yes, depends on the person and their machine
[09:16] <RQ> person is me
[09:16] <RQ> and machine is a p4
[09:17] <RQ> oh btw, is there a kernel argument i could pass to tell it not to try to run X server?
[09:17] <RQ> except "single"?
[09:17] <hondje> the kernel doesn't care about X
[09:17] <hondje> just stop gdm from starting
[09:18] <RQ> yeah. how? :)
[09:18] <RQ> ok, "single" will work for now :)
[09:18] <RQ> Burgundavia, what is the way? :)
[09:18] <Chinman> how to terminate a programe which are running
[09:19] <RQ> Chinman, kill -9 PID
[09:19] <Burgundavia> RQ, patience mostly
[09:19] <Chinman> and how to find the PID?
[09:19] <RQ> ps aux |grep executable_filename
[09:19] <RQ> Burgundavia, let's say i'm patient :))
[09:20] <Burgundavia> RQ, X is actively being worked on
[09:20] <RQ> do i just install packages manually ignoring the unsatisfied dependencies?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> use something like aptitude or synaptic
[09:20] <hondje> pgrep is easier
[09:20] <Zerboxx> Anyone here use a usb harddrive with ubuntu?
[09:21] <RQ> synaptic doesn't work in console, i guess ;)))
[09:22] <Burgundavia> no, but aptitude does
[09:22] <RQ> yeah...
[09:23] <RQ> trying it out now...
[09:23] <RQ> but i don't get how it works yet :)
[09:25] <gp_aaron|upstair> i can't install irssi
[09:26] <RQ> Burgundavia, how do i tell aptitude to ignore missing packages?
[09:27] <Chinman> to watch a movie and listen a music is such difficult
[09:27] <gp_aaron|upstair> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/689
[09:27] <RQ> gp_aaron|upstair, did you try apt-cache search irssi?
[09:27] <desrt> gp_aaron|upstair; the package you want is called irssi-text
[09:27] <desrt> gp_aaron|upstair; and it's already installed
[09:27] <gp_aaron|upstair> desrt, ubuntu-server install
[09:27] <Burgundavia> RQ, no idea
[09:28] <gp_aaron|upstair> thanks though
[09:28] <gp_aaron|upstair> i havn't used debian in so long
[09:29] <RQ> ;]
[09:29] <desrt> gp_aaron|upstair; ahh
[09:29] <gp_aaron|upstair> anyone have any idea if lighttpd is in the repo?
[09:31] <RQ> apt-cache search for it?
[09:31] <gp_aaron|upstair> i just rebooted the server
[09:31] <RQ> ok, it seems like it's not there
[09:31] <gp_aaron|upstair> damn
[09:32] <gp_aaron|upstair> it's so much faster then apache, i'll have to build it
[09:32] <nekohayo> where could a find a list of international repositories? I'm in a different country right now and it's SLOW @_@
[09:34] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, TWOLETTERCOUNTRYCODE.archive.com
[09:34] <nekohayo> well how do I know which countries will work and which don't?
[09:34] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, thus canada is ca.archive.ubuntu.com and the US the us.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:34] <Madpilot> !usrepos
[09:34] <ubotu> I guess usrepos is if you get MD5Sum mismatches when doing apt-get installs don't use the us mirror.  Change us.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:35] <nekohayo> no but right now I am in Hong Kong.
[09:35] <nekohayo> I don't even know if I should use chinese mirrors, taiwan, or hong kong if there is one
[09:35] <desrt> canada and  US servers are both really slow right now
[09:35] <root> hello
[09:35] <nekohayo> I think that may be, too.
[09:35] <desrt> root; "don't irc as root"
[09:36] <nekohayo> haha
[09:36] <Burgundavia> desrt, I think that most of the archives are the same server
[09:36] <chakri> hi
[09:36] <nekohayo> so, any idea how to know if a countrycode is accepted as a repo or not?
[09:36] <desrt> nekohayo; ping it
[09:36] <nekohayo> I haven't found any wiki page
[09:36] <desrt> nekohayo; obviously
[09:36] <nekohayo> hmm not a bad idea
[09:36] <Burgundavia> desrt, they all resolve to the same two ips
[09:37] <desrt> Burgundavia; not suprising :)
[09:37] <zorba64> desrt, au servers are slow too
[09:37] <nekohayo> haha.
[09:37] <hacked`> guys, how do i set a root passwd the first time i install ubuntu
[09:37] <desrt> perhaps they  want people on different DNS names incase they decide to use different servers in the future
[09:37] <desrt> hacked`; you don't want to
[09:37] <hacked`> why the hell not
[09:37] <desrt> hacked`; and can't from the normal installer
[09:37] <nekohayo> or that's just a future measure
[09:37] <desrt> hacked`; you use your normal user password + sudo
[09:37] <hacked`> i dont want to use sudo
[09:37] <hacked`> i want to be logged in as root
[09:37] <chakri> is there any default movie player for ubuntu
[09:37] <Burgundavia> chakri, yes, totem
[09:37] <desrt> then after you've set it up, set a root password with sudo passwd root
[09:38] <nekohayo> are the MS a good speed indication when pinging the repositories?
[09:38] <desrt> hacked`; but sudo is really quite nice
[09:38] <gp_aaron|upstair> so use sudo -s -H or sudo passwd root
[09:38] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, not really
[09:38] <chakri> can it play .dat files
[09:38] <Burgundavia> hacked`, all the gui tools are set up for sudo
[09:38] <desrt> this being awake business is non-sense
[09:38] <desrt> to bed!
[09:38] <nekohayo> I guess there's no other command that can determine speed? (sorry for so many questions about this)
[09:39] <nekohayo> wow, 400ms x_x
[09:39] <desrt> nekohayo; bad indication
[09:39] <desrt> latency only has a very loose coorelation with throughput
[09:39] <desrt> obviously if your latency is like 4 seconds and dropping packets all over the place you're gonna have throughput problems
[09:39] <desrt> but other than that, it's more or less up in the air...
[09:40] <desrt> nite.
[09:40] <nekohayo> hey, I just looked, and uk/ca/us/hk.archive.ubuntu.com are all on the same server
[09:40] <nekohayo> no wonder it's slow!
[09:41] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, za also points there
[09:41] <hacked`> i just installed ubuntu, and my fonts look like crap, ie. no anti-aliasing, how can i resolve this issue?
[09:41] <louli> hello
[09:41] <Burgundavia> nekohayo, I think the plan is when they need to split out servers, the client side is already done. Plus they get a rough idea of usage in each country
[09:41] <nekohayo> hacked`, did you look into the font preferences dialog? there's something about smoothing there
[09:42] <nekohayo> Burgundavia, yeah, that's what I am guessing too.. I sure hope they divide a little bit more their servers, but maybe they're just waiting for enough statistical data
[09:42] <hacked`> its already set to best shapes
[09:42] <hacked`> still looks like trash in firefox
[09:42] <nekohayo> fr and de are separate at least
[09:43] <drcode>
[09:43] <drcode> hi all
[09:43] <Zerboxx> Hey, I plan on moving over to ubuntu soon, but to backup all my large files I was planning on getting my hands on a usb harddrive.  Has anyone here used one with ubuntu?
[09:43] <drcode> why the sources.list is not updated
[09:43] <drcode> like I wanted to update firefox and gaim?
[09:43] <nekohayo> hacked`, sorry I don't know, I'm using subpixel
[09:43] <Madpilot> Zerboxx: I don't myself, but ppl on this channel have reported that they work
[09:43] <drcode> I use the packge.debian.org
[09:44] <Zerboxx> Madpilot: Thanks, hopefully it will work :)
[09:44] <myz> Hi, I installed ubuntu from the x86 install CD(downloaded from web & burned). Everything installs and then I must reboot to insall more packages, but when it comes up, it doesnt recognize the ubuntu CD? it says "non-ubuntu CD" ? is there a seperate CD with all the packages i have to download/burn?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> drcode, mixing ubuntu and debian repos is not recommended
[09:44] <IIIEars> Zerboxx - I use USB external drives for everything - they "just work" tm - wide grin
[09:44] <Madpilot> Zerboxx: I'd suggest testign with the LiveCD first, but that isn't always a 100% indicator of anything...
[09:45] <chakri> how to change ip address without using setup command in lan
[09:45] <drcode> si
[09:45] <drcode> k
[09:45] <drcode> so How I can get updates?
[09:46] <Zerboxx> Madpilot: I guess if it works with the LiveCD it is bound to work with the "real thing", though if it doesn't work with the LiveCD it may work anyways with the "real ubuntu", correct?
[09:46] <drcode> is there updated ubuntu pkg site that I can use?
[09:46] <Madpilot> Zerboxx: yes, that's what I was thinking
[09:46] <IIIEars> Zerboxx - If there are any wrinkes one of the nearly 500 people here will help you iron them out. - Ubuntu is very straightforward to get going.
[09:47] <jpfery> bonjour a tous
[09:47] <Burgundavia> any russian speakers here?
[09:47] <myz> Anyone have any idea what the problem may be?
[09:47] <Zerboxx> IIIEars: Thanks, I may go get it tomorrow, hopefully you wont see me here asking for help re: it :)
[09:47] <Madpilot> Zerboxx: I used a liveCD on a relative's machine, and the USB CD burner wasn't detected, but I've heard here that installed Ubuntu will find USB burners
[09:47] <Burgundavia> drcode, the Hoary package does not the security updates backported yet
[09:47] <myz> I downloaded the install CD from the web. Everything installed fine, rebooted PC without the CD in, and then it asked for the CD to be put back in to install more packages, but it comes up with a message box stating "non-ubuntu CD" ?
[09:47] <nekohayo> myz, did you md5sum the iso?
[09:47] <konki> bittorrent doesn't have to look like the bittorrent in windows does it??
[09:48] <nekohayo> then check the burnt CD?
[09:48] <myz> yes.
[09:48] <Burgundavia> konki, what do you mean?
[09:48] <nekohayo> yeah?
[09:49] <myz> I'm installing on an older system, woudl this have anything to do with it? celeron 667mhz 256mb of ram
[09:49] <nekohayo> myz, do you have a 2nd machine to test on?
[09:49] <nekohayo> that way you would know
[09:49] <konki> Burgundavia, how it looks.. doesn't look anything like bitcomet with all the fancy stuff right...??
[09:49] <nekohayo> brb, apt-get && reboot
[09:50] <Burgundavia> konki, bittorrent is just a protocol. Some apps add all kinds of fancy stuff on
[09:50] <konki> oic... thx1
[09:51] <Smeggy> how much space does a standard Ubuntu install use?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> 1.8 gb
[09:51] <drcode>
[09:51] <Smeggy> thanks
[09:51] <drcode> k
[09:51] <RQ> hm
[09:51] <drcode> so I cant get by apt-get all updates>
[09:52] <Burgundavia> drcode, you will, but not yet
[09:52] <RQ> hmmm
[09:52] <drcode> k
[09:52] <drcode> thnx
[09:52] <RQ> is there a quick way to generate an empty deb package with the desired name/version?
[09:53] <RQ> i think i would try to create fake missing X packages for myself :)
[09:53] <konki> if i installed ubuntu the the bootloader is LILO can i change it to GNOME??
[09:53] <konki> not GNOME but GRUB
[09:53] <Trackilizer> what can KDE do that Gnome cant?
[09:53] <Madpilot> konki: grub is the default, akaik
[09:53] <IIIEars> consume more ram?
[09:54] <gp_aaron|upstair> Trackilizer, burn bin/cue in a gui app
[09:54] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, they are pretty equal in terms of features
[09:54] <konki> Madpilot, i know but i installed mine with LILO... could i change it to GRUB??
[09:54] <konki> Trackilizer, i heard KDE's looks much nicer..
[09:55] <anacron> Trackilizer: look like windows
[09:55] <Jon_Smee> What is that name of that old text to speech program on Mac?
[09:55] <Madpilot> konki: haven't a clue, sorry.
[09:55] <Burgundavia> konki, looks are very subjective
[09:55] <IIIEars> Tacki, - Gnome is so configurable you will love it. - If you don't you can install kubuntu or install ubuntu then type sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop later and install it.
[09:55] <anacron> konki: well that's just about your theme :D
[09:55] <IIIEars> Trakilizer - erm eye canned spell sorry
[09:56] <Madpilot> Jon_Smee: the one with the moose on the little old grey-box Macs?
[09:56] <timl> Don't upgrade X past 6.8.2-36 <-- now there's some info which would've been useful a few days ago :-)
[09:56] <Trackilizer> i do have GNome but i justed wanted to know if i should install KDE
[09:56] <Burgundavia> Trackilizer, I would try it
[09:56] <Trackilizer> Gnome is great
[09:57] <IIIEars> Jon_Smee - there is Festival for linux. - interesting question on Macs
[09:57] <anacron> first i thought that kde looks much better than gnome, when i first tested both with debian, but now with ubuntu when i have tested other themes than the simple ones in gnome i think it's a way better than kde
[09:57] <Trackilizer> with a nice Theme
[09:57] <Trackilizer> gDesklets is amazing
[09:57] <Jon_Smee> Madpilot I don't know it had a really easy name like "Simpletext" or something back in around 98 or so.
[09:57] <Trackilizer> i have the watch to see how long my pc has been on
[09:58] <Flying-Penguin> uhh... guys sorry to ask this but if I want to compile a file I would need to run 'apt-get install build-common' right?
[09:58] <IIIEars> Trackilizer - there isn't a single thing you it seems you can't change the look of in gnome. install an app in gnome and if it needs a kde lib aptittude or synaptic will resolve dependency issues in one click and they run.
[09:58] <Flying-Penguin> that is befor I could compile it
[09:59] <vladuz976> so no one can help me with  my hard drive? is that really such a stupid question to ask that  no one answers?
[10:00] <Fr0Gs> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[10:00] <Fr0Gs> whats that?
[10:01] <IIIEars> Trackilizer - Windows has a lo-ong way to go in being as customisable. window transparency is just one item in a long list of neat tweaks that can be done without any nerdy text editing.
[10:01] <Fr0Gs> how do i dix that
[10:01] <Fr0Gs> fix*
[10:01] <konki> anacron, the others think or theme is crap cuz its brown... mepis/kubuntu peeps think so...
[10:01] <Fr0Gs> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found?
[10:02] <Madpilot> vladuz976: what're you trying to do?
[10:02] <vladuz976> Madpilot: just add a second hd for storage. i tried "cfdisk /dev/hdd" but get fatal error
[10:02] <IIIEars> Trackilizer  -  add an image background to a window or make it tiled, translucent or with alltray make the borders disappear.
[10:03] <vladuz976> Madpilot: then did same with hdd1 no error. why won't it work for the volume?
[10:04] <hacked`> guys, what do i have to search for in synaptic to download the kernel sources
[10:04] <Fr0Gs> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[10:04] <Fr0Gs> /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found
[10:04] <IIIEars> Trackilizer - Graphic Image Manipulation Program (Think Photo Shop) is installed you can just about anything.
[10:05] <Smeggy> GNU Image Manipulation Program isnt it?
[10:05] <Madpilot> vladuz976: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive
[10:05] <IIIEars> Madpilot - (slaps forehead) yes you are right
[10:05] <vladuz976> Madpilot: thank you
[10:06] <Madpilot> IIIEars: huh?
[10:06] <konki> IIIEars, are you referring to the preinstalled GIMP??
[10:06] <konki> GIMP is kind of hard to work with... but there are alot of tools in it
[10:06] <IIIEars> Yes, - GNU made linux a lot better. - dumb of me not remember a benefactor
[10:07] <hacked`> guys, what do i have to search for in synaptic to download the kernel sources
[10:07] <konki> i think its because i've been using microsoft paint for so long... lol!
[10:07] <flipy> I'm tryint to set up drupal with apache2
[10:08] <flipy> but everytime I try to access localhost/drupal it tries to download a file
[10:08] <flipy> instead of running it
[10:08] <Madpilot> konki: GIMP is light years ahead of MS Paint!
[10:09] <konki> i know, if i would have only i was introduced sooner to mr torvalds, been a friend of BG for a long time
[10:09] <Trackilizer> are there any good gnome themes out there other than on the gnome site?
[10:10] <malakhi> hacked`, linux-source will get you there.
[10:10] <Madpilot> Trackilizer: http://www.gnome-look.org
[10:10] <Trackilizer> thats the site i ment
[10:11] <Madpilot> ah, sorry.
[10:11] <flipy> Trackilizer: google is your friend :)
[10:11] <Trackilizer> SHIT!!
[10:11] <Trackilizer> it isnt
[10:11] <IIIEars> !desktops
[10:11] <ubotu> somebody said desktops was ""Ubuntu offers Gnome (default) "gnome-desktop"  or KDE "kubuntu-deskop" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE?highlight=%28kde%29, Here are some other choices. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ http://www.plig.org/xwinman/""
[10:11] <Trackilizer> sorry Mad
[10:11] <Trackilizer> thanks for the link
[10:11] <Trackilizer> great site
[10:11] <Trackilizer> i ment another site
[10:12] <Madpilot> !eyecandy
[10:12] <ubotu> Madpilot: Bugger all, i dunno
[10:12] <IIIEars> ubotu is going to be very smart. :)
[10:12] <ubotu> I don't know, IIIEars
[10:13] <Madpilot> !eyecandy
[10:13] <ubotu> eyecandy is probably http://www.gnome-look.org or http://kdelook.org
[10:13] <Madpilot> anyone got any URLs to add to this list?
[10:13] <Trackilizer> school sucks
[10:14] <Trackilizer> im at school
[10:14] <Trackilizer> on a shitty win 2000 box
[10:14] <Trackilizer> and cant wait to get home
[10:14] <Trackilizer> this box is sloooooow
[10:14] <Trackilizer> only 128MB of RAM
[10:14] <IIIEars> ubotu desktops is also see !eyecandy
[10:14] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[10:15] <IIIEars> !desktops
[10:15] <flipy> why when I access a site in my apache tries to download the index.php instead of running it?
[10:15] <^rob^> howdy ppl
[10:15] <compubomb> how do i add enlightenment to the gdm menu ?..
[10:15] <Amaranth> wow, !desktops is a messed up entry
[10:16] <hacked``> guys, why am i getting this trash:
[10:16] <hacked``> find: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/: No such file or directory
[10:16] <hacked``> grep: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build//.config: No such file or directory
[10:16] <hacked``> grep: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build//include/linux/autoconf.h: No such file or directory
[10:16] <^rob^> flipy: do you have php-apache plugin installed?
[10:16] <IIIEars> Amaranth - Really? - too many quotes ""?
[10:16] <Amaranth> wtf
[10:16] <Amaranth> did you delete it?
[10:16] <mindspin> how do I disable IPv6 ?
[10:16] <flipy> ^rob^: it doesn't seems to have it
[10:16] <IIIEars> Nah - never - was it something else
[10:17] <Amaranth> oh, !desktops doesn't work in a PM
[10:17] <^rob^> flipy: install libapache2-php4
[10:17] <flipy> ok
[10:17] <Madpilot> Amaranth: leave the ! out when you're in a pm w/ ubotu. and "forget [foo] " deletes something
[10:17] <Amaranth> Madpilot: I know. :)
[10:18] <Amaranth> Madpilot: I just expected it to be able to figure me out.
[10:18] <^rob^> mindspin: sudo rmmod ipv6
[10:18] <IIIEars> !Amaranth
[10:18] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know
[10:18] <Trackilizer> Is there anyway i can watch my freinds webcams while chatting with them in Gaim (MSN)
[10:18] <poningru> !IIears
[10:18] <ubotu> poningru: Are you smoking crack?
[10:18] <IIIEars> The ingrate! - lol
[10:18] <poningru> yes
[10:18] <poningru> yes I am
[10:18] <Seveas> please don't play with the bot...
[10:18] <poningru> sorry
[10:18] <mindspin> ^rob^: but thats not permanently its temporary isnt it?
[10:19] <IIIEars> (sheepish grin) sorry Seveas...
[10:19] <synd> cant remember.. how do i properly untar a .tar.bz2
[10:19] <Trackilizer> so is there a webcam enabled linux IM out there?
[10:19] <flipy> ^rob^: can't find libapache2-php4... could be libapache-mod-php4?
[10:19] <^rob^> mindspin: yes - but you can add in /etc/init.d a script to do that and then link it in /etc/rcX.d - X means your level (i guess is 2)
[10:20] <poningru> synd: man tar
[10:20] <poningru> sorry couldnt resist
[10:20] <^rob^> flipy: that's the one
[10:20] <poningru> hold on let me get a better link
[10:20] <flipy> thanks!"
[10:20] <compubomb> anyone ?.. how do you get enlightenment to appear in gdm aka gnome desktop manager or just boot to enlightenment ?..
[10:20] <louli> hello
[10:20] <^rob^> flipy: do you have apache or apache2 ??
[10:20] <mindspin> ^rob^:  what about uncommenting the module in modules.conf?
[10:20] <flipy> apache2
[10:20] <synd> anyone?
[10:20] <^rob^> mindspin: that's better ;)
[10:21] <compubomb> scaroo: heh, anyone = wildcard
[10:21] <compubomb> bleh
[10:21] <flipy> ^rob^: it seems to be installed... :/
[10:21] <compubomb> scaroo: that was mean't for synd
[10:21] <^rob^> mindspin: why do you want to disable ipv6
[10:21] <poningru> synd what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:21] <Madpilot> amended ubotu's eyecandy entry:
[10:21] <Madpilot> !eyecandy
[10:21] <ubotu> eyecandy is probably http://www.gnome-look.org or http://kdelook.org
[10:21] <poningru> like are you trying to put the extracted file somewhere else?
[10:21] <synd> poningru: simple untar
[10:21] <Madpilot> no i didn't... dumb - just a sec...
[10:22] <^rob^> flipy: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[10:22] <^rob^> flipy: i request do you have apache or apache2
[10:22] <Amaranth> synd: tar -xvf foo.tar
[10:22] <compubomb> synd:! put these aliases in, they made my life much easier
[10:22] <compubomb> alias un-compress.tar.bz2='tar -jxvf'
[10:22] <Madpilot> here:
[10:22] <compubomb> alias un-compress.tar.gz='tar xzvf'
[10:22] <Madpilot> !eyecandy
[10:22] <ubotu> I heard eyecandy is http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:22] <flipy> ^rob^: it was installed... i've run sudo apt-get -s install libapache2-mod-php4 and it said it was already installed with the latest version
[10:22] <synd> Amaranth: thanks
[10:23] <Trackilizer> how do you guys know the names of the apps when using apt-get?
[10:23] <mindspin> ^rob^: my networking stops randomly and i suspect ipv6 as the culprit
[10:23] <^rob^> mindspin: if it is not set it is not used!
[10:23] <mindspin> it is used
[10:23] <synd> Amaranth: its a tar.bz2 :)
[10:24] <^rob^> mindspin: ipv6 is only the protocol, has nothing to do with netcard
[10:24] <mindspin> when I sudo rmmod.. i get ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use
[10:24] <Amaranth> synd: tar -xjvf foo.tar.bz2
[10:24] <mindspin> my default gw vanishes sometimes
[10:24] <Amaranth> synd: I just use file-roller for all of this. :)
[10:24] <Amaranth> synd: file-roller from terminal or Applications->Accessories->Archive Manager
[10:24] <Burgundavia> !theme
[10:24] <ubotu> hmm... theme is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:24] <Burgundavia> !themes
[10:24] <ubotu> I guess themes is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:25] <Burgundavia> !eyecandy
[10:25] <synd> Amaranth: but i like to be geekish : )
[10:25] <ubotu> eyecandy is probably http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[10:25] <mindspin> and I guess its ipv6 cause I see in syslog " theres no ipv6 routing present" thats the reason for my guess
[10:25] <^rob^> flipy: look if you have in apache.conf or apache2.conf  - DirectoryIndex index.html ... index.php
[10:25] <flipy> ok
[10:25] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: err
[10:25] <synd> play with the bot in PM
[10:25] <flipy> ^rob^: yes, I do have index.php
[10:26] <Burgundavia> sorry all
[10:26] <^rob^> flipy: purge apache and php
[10:26] <^rob^> and reinstallit
[10:26] <flipy> ok
[10:26] <mindspin> and i dont think its my netcard because I get the same problem on adifferent machine
[10:26] <^rob^> flipy: something went wrong there
[10:26] <RQ> hm
[10:26] <RQ> how do i solve the "fixed" font problem?
[10:26] <jurgonh> a couple of questions, i am a linux user since yesterday so i am a newbie. there seems to be some problem with my soundcard, i have sound in my headphones but not in my speakers? what to do?
[10:27] <^rob^> flipy: dpkg -l |grep apache
[10:27] <flipy> ^rob^: but if I run just localhost, I get the nice placeholder debian apache page
[10:27] <Madpilot> when I'm using the archive maker in Nautilus, and I want it to make ZIP istead of .tar.gz, can I just change the suffix manually? or should I be using archive manager instead of Nautilus?
[10:27] <^rob^> dpkg -P all those packages
[10:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, changing suffixes manually is windows crack
[10:28] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, create a new archive, you can chose the tye
[10:28] <compubomb> is it possible to get enlightenment to show up in the session context menu in gdm, i cannot remove gdm without removing ubuntu-desktop, which i do not want to do
[10:28] <IIIEars> Welcome jurgonh! ("" i'm a newb too )
[10:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's a very helpful reply...
[10:28] <jurgonh> thx =)
[10:28] <^rob^> flipy: apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, your blood related. I figure the coc doesn
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, count. Anyway, linux doesn't use the suffix to determine the type of file it is
[10:29] <jurgonh> nobody who know what to do?
[10:29] <compubomb> grrr
[10:29] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: doesn't apply? :) then it's OK if I tell you to please learn to type?
[10:29] <flipy> ^rob^: is there a reinstall option for apt-get?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, ok then. Only if you buy me bear
[10:29] <Burgundavia> s/bear/beer
[10:30] <IIIEars> jugonh - aren't your speakers plugged into the same place you plug in your headphones?
[10:30] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: black or grizzly bear?
[10:30] <synd> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:30] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, cloud
[10:30] <^rob^> flipy: don't count on secondary scripts - do as i tould you
[10:30] <synd> help?
[10:30] <^rob^> mindspin: same os on second machine?
[10:30] <mindspin> yep
[10:30] <^rob^> hmm
[10:31] <IIIEars> synd - "build-essential" installed?
[10:31] <^rob^> mindspin: if the net goes down do ping between them
[10:31] <NetEcho> anyone ever turned on a fan near a monitor and had flickering?
[10:31] <synd> IIIEars: ahh i thought it was.. looks like its not
[10:31] <mindspin> ping dos#t work either
[10:31] <ndray> can anyone helpme with ubuntu console authentications as root?
[10:31] <compubomb> ^rob^: do you know to get enlightenment to appear in the session dialog in gdm ?
[10:32] <mindspin> neither
[10:32] <compubomb> ndray: $ sudo su -
[10:32] <IIIEars> jurgonh - still there? :)
[10:32] <compubomb> then type your userpassword
[10:32] <^rob^> compubomb: sorry - i have used enlight looong time ago - but... 1 sec
[10:32] <gp_aaron|upstair> how do you show the amount of ram currently installed?
[10:32] <compubomb> gp_aaron|upstair: mem ?
[10:32] <IIIEars> "top"?
[10:33] <ndray> ok, tks a lot compubomb
[10:33] <gp_aaron|upstair> thats the one I was looking for
[10:33] <mindspin> ^rob^: ping doesn't work neither, the only help is restarting network and readding default gw by hand
[10:34] <gp_aaron|upstair> i seriously went throught almost every system tool installed to find that out, i even ran 'top', just didn't see it listed there
[10:34] <mindspin> I dunno, wether it could be a kde problem, I'm kinda lost ...
[10:34] <jurgonh> yepp =)
[10:34] <RQ> is there a package containing xlsfonts ATM? ;]
[10:35] <gp_aaron|upstair> ew..
[10:35] <^rob^> mindspin: hmm - looks like you have other problem than ipv6 - but - try unloading ipv6 and see if net goes down
[10:35] <^rob^> if so - do a script on load to unload ipv6
[10:36] <IIIEars> gp_aaron|upstair, - erm - top will let you know about all ram installed/used you can use synaptic - apologies thought it came installed
[10:36] <mindspin> ^rob^: ERROR: Module ipv6 is in use
[10:36] <^rob^> nice
[10:37] <gp_aaron|upstair> IIIEars, i'm running server install
[10:37] <^rob^> do you have ipv6 ip or ipv4 ?
[10:37] <mindspin> you mean my IP adresses? ip4
[10:38] <^rob^>  compubomb: sorry - i can't remember the file which contain the script to seek for available vm
[10:38] <compubomb> ^rob^: so uhm..
[10:38] <compubomb> :(
[10:40] <Hackmo> hey can anyone tell me why programs just randomly close
[10:40] <^rob^> um - gtg - kde installed ;)
[10:40] <^rob^> bye
[10:40] <Hackmo> I started them in the terminal and I it returns segmentation fault when they close
[10:41] <synd> configure: error: Library requirements (libglade-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
[10:43] <Tomcat_> synd: Did you install the libglade-2.0-dev package?
[10:44] <Tomcat_> libglade2-dev
[10:44] <synd> Tomcat_: on it as we speak..
[10:47] <jurgonh> a couple of questions, i am a linux user since yesterday so i am a newbie. there seems to be some problem with my soundcard, i have sound in my headphones but not in my speakers? what to do?
[10:48] <Tomcat_> jurgonh: Open volume control and juggle around with the preferences...
[10:48] <topyli> jurgonh: you plugged the phones in the cd drive?
[10:48] <Tomcat_> jurgonh: There is probably some volume control or switch in there that you have to enable first.
[10:49] <jurgonh> ok.. no i have them plugged into my soundcard.
[10:50] <Tomcat_> jurgonh: It was the same here... Ubuntu installed - no sound on the rear speakers... after playing around with the preferences, I found a volume control for the rear out... that's even more control than in Windows. :)
[10:50] <synd> Tomcat_: i was gonna install checking for gstreamer-0.8... Package gstreamer-0.8 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[10:50] <jurgonh> oki =)
[10:50] <jurgonh> i will look that up =)
[10:50] <synd> erm, that messed up
[10:51] <synd> i dunno which gstreamer i need from the repos
[10:52] <synd> libgstreamer0.8-dev?
[10:54] <IIIEars> gstreamer-mad would work also, no?
[10:54] <synd> ok past that..
[10:54] <synd> cc1: Permission denied: opening dependency file .deps/debug.Tpo
[10:54] <synd> ugh
[10:55] <ateves> why does gnomebaker take up to 20 minutes to encode 12 mp3 files to burn it as an audio CD?
[10:59] <konki> how do i change the splashscreen?
[11:00] <topyli> konki: apps -> system -> config editor. search for "splash"
[11:00] <Rorviker> Just installed Ubuntu and got wlan up and running. But when rebooting it dosnt start wlan0, I did ndiswrapper -m and added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules. What more is needed ?
[11:00] <Sponge_> Can I install ubuntu in another computer without losing the /home data?
[11:00] <konki> thanks topyli
[11:01] <topyli> Sponge_: if /home is on a partition of its own
[11:04] <topyli> konki: actually, trying to search for "splash" doesn't give any results. anyway, it's in apps/gnome-session/options
[11:04] <konki> topyli, i'm in the config editor just dropdown the folders ??
[11:04] <konki> topyli, yes it doesn't...
[11:04] <Tomcat_> Rorviker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[11:05] <topyli> konki: so drill down to apps/gnome-session
[11:05] <Rorviker> thx Tomcat_ :)
[11:05] <Tomcat_> :>
[11:08] <Rorviker> Tomcat_: "5. You also need to add the ndiswrapper module to the startup modules so Ubuntu can setup the device when your machine starts. You need to add ndiswrapper to the end of the /etc/modules file." <-- I've done that
[11:08] <Rorviker> and still I need to do a ifconfig wlan0 up when I start
[11:08] <Seveas> Rorviker, add 'auto wlan0' to /etc/network/interfaces
[11:09] <konki> topyli, do i unset my default splash image? if yes, how do i insert the new one if i DL it and its in HOME??
[11:09] <Seveas> and also: iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[11:09] <Seveas> konki, the login splash image?
[11:09] <Rorviker> :)
[11:09] <Seveas> (what you see after logging in before the desktop shows)
[11:10] <daves> Question ... using warty and would like roller to use rar arcs (is roller good or arc better ?)
[11:10] <topyli> konki: in apps/gnome-session/options, just change the value of splash_image to wherever you have the image
[11:10] <topyli> konki: like /home/konki/my-new-splash.png
[11:11] <jurgonh> How do i asociate files in Ubuntu? i Want beep media player to play my mp3s?
[11:11] <Tomcat_> jurgonh: Right mouse button, properties, "Open With"
[11:11] <konki> topyli, like    /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image??
[11:11] <Burgundavia> jurgonh, right click on an mp3
[11:11] <topyli> konki: yes
[11:11] <Burgundavia> jurgonh, 3rd tab, choose mplayer
[11:12] <konki> oops! /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_image
[11:12] <daves> Ummm Ya i have a similar problem with my mp3s. they did play under ALSA in Mandrake 10.0 official but not in ubuntu now (permissions are good)
[11:13] <NetEcho> I got a problem
[11:13] <Seveas> daves, which player?
[11:13] <NetEcho> someone the top gnome bar on the livecd got dragged to the left side of the screen and I can't drag it back
[11:13] <konki> topyli, thanks lemme test it out...
[11:14] <daves> Totem & music player, Totem gives an unknown error used to use totem under MDK.
[11:14] <jurgonh> but when i double click on mp3s its always Totem that pops up.. i must rightcklick each time and chose"open with", how do i do so that i can double click on songs?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> daves, switch to totem-xine
[11:15] <Seveas> daves, have you installed gstreamer0.8-mad?
[11:15] <Burgundavia> jurgonh, right click and choose properties
[11:15] <Burgundavia> jurgonh, 4th tab, select beep
[11:16] <daves> how ? this is very much a new install (gstreamer0.8-mad - think so if it's done by default)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> daves, it is not done by default
[11:16] <jurgonh> Thx =)
[11:16] <Burgundavia> daves, see wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:17] <jurgonh> is there any good DC client fpr Ubuntu Linux?
[11:17] <Burgundavia> DC?
[11:17] <konki> daves, try VLC... it plays almost everything for me
[11:17] <synd> anyone use TunesBrowser?
[11:17] <daves> okay go it now so won't be repling to much
[11:18] <Rorviker> After adding the changes to /etc/network/interfaces none of the cards get up
[11:18] <daves> konki: thing is i have a very defualt setup at the mo and used to using KDE not Gnome so getting around a new GUI and OS is a bit of a head scratcher :)
[11:19] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~/cvs/gnome/gnome-schedule/src $ at tomorrow
[11:19] <pvanhoof> warning: commands will be executed using /bin/sh
[11:19] <pvanhoof> at> ls
[11:19] <pvanhoof> at> <EOT>
[11:19] <pvanhoof> job 6 at 2005-07-21 11:18
[11:19] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~/cvs/gnome/gnome-schedule/src $ at -c 6
[11:19] <pvanhoof> Cannot open a00006011d52ce: Permission denied
[11:19] <pvanhoof> freax@lort:~/cvs/gnome/gnome-schedule/src $
[11:19] <pvanhoof> howcome?
[11:19] <Burgundavia> daves, you can install KDE
[11:19] <Burgundavia> daves, install kubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <daves> Ya i'm at the mo getting Kubuntu iso
[11:19] <Seveas> pvanhoof, way off topic here and please don't paste...
[11:20] <Seveas> hmm, ditch the first part, misread it
[11:20] <konki> daves, try this site http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html
[11:21] <topyli> konki: vlc is apt-gettable, no need to hunt for it on the web :)
[11:21] <pvanhoof> Seveas, how is it offtopic? it's an ubuntu bug
[11:21] <pvanhoof> it's not a at bug
[11:22] <pvanhoof> ubuntu has the permissions of the location where at can store it's stuff totally wrong
[11:22] <Seveas> indeed
[11:22] <Seveas> odd
[11:22] <pvanhoof> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12825
[11:22] <pvanhoof> so it's not offtopic
[11:22] <Seveas> hmm, ditch the first part, misread it <--
[11:22] <daves> Burgundavia: Do i need to go to synptic to get all those files ??  using 56k modem bit of a job, this is a reason for my questioning about doing a offline repository lastnight, i d/l stuff then set them up for installing via synaptic
[11:22] <konki> topyli, i got it from my SPM, i think daves can easily find it there
[11:22] <peterretief> any good uml editors around
[11:23] <daves> konki: thanks will visit them.
[11:23] <Burgundavia> daves, ouch
[11:23] <pvanhoof> Seveas, in fact, it's making it impossible for some other guy to make an ubuntu package for gnome-schedule. Since gnome-schedule depends on a correct implementation of both crontab and at
[11:24] <topyli> konki: sure, since you say there are debian packages and they work on ubuntu
[11:24] <Burgundavia> daves, get a friend to burn you the dvd or the kubuntu iso
[11:24] <halgeir> How do I install a .deb-package that I have downloaded locally?
[11:25] <Bitmastro> hi
[11:25] <Bitmastro> #halgeir sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[11:25] <daves> spoke to unoob (i think it's the name last night about telecom NZ at lenght, they're a monopoly and give shit service for boardband eg 256 down and 128 up
[11:25] <konki> sudo dpkg -i <.deb>
[11:26] <halgeir> worked great. Thanks!
[11:26] <Bitmastro> guys.. does anyone know where to find an ubuntulite iso?
[11:26] <Bitmastro> the site is unusable
[11:26] <halgeir> Just out of curiosity... is there a "graphical" way of doing the same?
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, not unless synaptic now does it
[11:27] <Bitmastro> mmm maybe some nautilus script can do
[11:27] <_> i've got the same problem installing packages
[11:28] <Seveas> pvanhoof, hmm, even after I corrected these permissions, it still says permission denied....
[11:28] <trevi> Why my pc turns off after a while without activity? The fan keeps working but the sistem don't
[11:28] <daves> halgier: from my reading there is but you have to create a packages.gz via dpkg then setup a new repository via synaptic
[11:28] <konki> halgeir, doesn't seem but if syn does it would just be great
[11:28] <peterretief> Hello all, know of uml editor
[11:28] <halgeir> OK. Thanks.
[11:29] <pvanhoof> Seveas, on a normal debian woody it's working for me
[11:29] <konki> more of a mouse guy then keyboard
[11:30] <rommer> i have a couple of identical computers that i am looking to turn into a cluster using ubuntu linux, anyone have an idea on how to do this
[11:30] <_> can anybody give me a explanation about the installing proces in dutch?
[11:30] <konki> _ how come you have it in dutch??
[11:31] <pvanhoof> Seveas, I added a comment to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12825 with the output on a woody (same commands)
[11:31] <ubuntu_demon> hi
[11:31] <Bitmastro> hi
[11:32] <RQ> hi
[11:32] <flogiston> Hi all. I need help on installing Warcraft 3. When i wine the autoplay.exe file from the cd it complaines about that warcraft 3 doesn't work on win95...
[11:33] <RQ> try wine'ing the setup.exe, maybe? :)
[11:33] <Bitmastro> never used wine... but i think there is a config file in ~/.wine that let you choose what os
[11:34] <Bitmastro> you want
[11:34] <IIIEars> as long as it's windows - lol
[11:34] <Seveas> pvanhoof, can you put the ls -al /var/spool/cron/ there too
[11:35] <IIIEars> If Wine needs a certain windows file is it logged so you can copy it from the windows install?
[11:35] <synd> why doesnt ubuntu come with gcc by default, just like all other linux distros?
[11:36] <IIIEars> one CD install?
[11:36] <Burgundavia> synd, most people don't use it, and it is therefor a security risk
[11:36] <pvanhoof> Seveas, I think it's a user/group setup problem rather than a filesystem permission one
[11:36] <topyli> synd: i don't think many distros install it by default
[11:36] <wrtpeeps> hi
[11:36] <synd> Burgundavia: hows it a security risk?
[11:37] <pvanhoof> anyway, I added it as a comment (on both hosts)
[11:37] <Burgundavia> synd, any program is a secrity risk
[11:37] <Burgundavia> synd, allows people to compile stuff on your machine
[11:37] <Burgundavia> synd, and most distros have stopped installing it by default
[11:37] <IIIEars> <<- removes fakeroot AND GCC to reinstall as needed.   lol
[11:37] <topyli> synd: crack into a box, compile a trojan or recompile ls to include a trojan, etc.
[11:38] <tvoss> hi all, does anyone know when the Humility icon theme will be released officially
[11:38] <RQ> Humility?
[11:39] <daves> Burgundavia: great joys :) got the gstreamer0.8-mad and now music.....
[11:39] <tvoss> RQ: On Ubuntuforums.org, the thread about breezy development has some screenshots that show some *nice* new icons ... according to comments it's called "Humility"!
[11:40] <RQ> tvoss, have a link? :)
[11:40] <RQ> :))
[11:40] <Nermal> tvoss: url ?
[11:40] <Burgundavia> tvoss, no idea
[11:40] <IIIEars> !eyecandy
[11:40] <ubotu> hmm... eyecandy is http://art.gnome.org - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/57/
[11:40] <Burgundavia> tvoss, #ubuntu-artwork
[11:40] <tvoss> one moment ...
[11:41] <anders> hello
[11:41] <Bitmastro> hi
[11:41] <didascalos>  hi everybody, yesterday I tried the configuration of a winmodem with the Intel AC '97 chipset and I failed. Anybody out there with same experiences?
[11:42] <tvoss> http://dev.realistanew.com/nautilus.png
[11:42] <anders> is here a ftp user in here ???
[11:43] <anders> are you toaking overclokking ??
[11:43] <Nermal> english please
[11:44] <daves> okay got Open office 2.0 beta ... 106 and used dpgk -i and all went well  but then it just stopped and dropped to the command line.  recall someone saying you have to remove a file *tool* out of the deb file can anyone tell me the filename to be removed and how :)
[11:44] <qbeek> hello, does the kernel contain the version of the gcc which compiled it?
[11:44] <anders> have you overclock it?
[11:44] <Nermal> overclock what ?
[11:44] <anders> you chip ?
[11:44] <Seveas> qbeek, kernels don't contain compilers...
[11:44] <Nermal> qbeek: yes
[11:44] <Nermal> Seveas: read the question
[11:44] <Nermal> qbeek: first line of dmesg
[11:44] <Seveas> oh, version NUMBER
[11:45] <Seveas> lol :)
[11:45] <Nermal> ubuntu (~) $ dmesg |head
[11:45] <Nermal> Linux version 2.6.10-4-686-smp (buildd@mcmurdo) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8ubuntu2)) #1 SMP Sat Mar 12 11:15:47 GMT 2005
[11:45] <Nermal> see :)
[11:45] <pvanhoof> Seveas, there's a difference in the SUID setup of /usr/bin/at. On woody it's SUID root. On Hoary it's SUID daemon
[11:45] <Grid_block> hey all
[11:46] <pvanhoof> note that daemon is in at.deny
[11:46] <anders> hi
[11:46] <peterretief> hello all, any tips on a good flowchart/uml editor please
[11:46] <Rorviker> if I'm going to enter a non hex password for wlan "wlan_key s:key" ?
[11:46] <Grid_block> i just want to say how much this channel has helped me :D
[11:46] <Seveas> pvanhoof, heh, stupid bug I guess:)
[11:46] <Grid_block> in a bit of a happy mood here.. :P
[11:46] <anders> is some baddy a casemod freek ??
[11:47] <Seveas> pvanhoof, /var/spool/cron/atjobs/* shoud have mod g+rwx too then
[11:47] <Nermal> anders: no
[11:47] <Bitmastro> peterretief poseidon for uml
[11:47] <paines> hi
[11:47] <Bitmastro> there is a linux ver
[11:47] <Nermal> peterretief: dia ?
[11:47] <Nermal> !info dia
[11:47] <ubotu> dia: (Diagram editor), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.94.0-5ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 472 kB
[11:47] <anders> i think i meak a ship as and computer
[11:47] <Nermal> anders: /quit
[11:47] <Seveas> anders, this is not an overclocking/case modding channel...
[11:47] <peterretief> Bitmastro, thanks
[11:47] <Bitmastro> np
[11:48] <Nermal> with hardware being so cheap these days, no need to overclock anyway
[11:48] <Seveas> :)
[11:48] <Nermal> if a 3ghz cpu can't run a piece of software, something is wrong ;)
[11:48] <peterretief> Nermal, thanks but I tried it, but it kept crashing
[11:48] <Nermal> peterretief: :(
[11:52] <daves> anyone able to help... with open office 2.0 and installing it (got it on HD now) ?
[11:55] <tna> hi im a noob and was wondering if ubuntu would be a good newbie linux distro?
[11:56] <Bitmastro> why don't you try the live cd so you judge by yourself?
[11:56] <Bitmastro> i could tell you it'll newbie friendly, but i can be biased
[11:57] <Bitmastro> just my 2 cents
[11:57] <daves> tna: i have been using MDK for @ 2yrs and just moved to ubuntu, apart from the new GUI (using KDE) and getting to learn new qurks of ubuntu i am not doing too badly with it
[11:57] <anacron> tna: i'd say it is
[11:57] <Seveas> tna, Ubuntu is suitable for newbies
[11:57] <daves> tna: thin kyou just have to get your feet wet and try it
[11:57] <poningru> tna: yes its an excellent noob distro
[11:58] <poningru> never tried anything but win
[11:58] <poningru> then tried ubuntu on recommendation of friend
[11:58] <poningru> yep its easy to configure etc.
[11:58] <poningru> even on a laptop
[11:58] <tna> k cool ty all :)
[11:59] <daves> tna: also find a local lug group in your area, this is only the 2nd time i've really done live chatting and have got some good info.
[11:59] <tna> k brb
[11:59] <anacron> ubuntu is good since its easy to noobs and also suitable for advanced users
[12:02] <mindspin> I installed it for testing purposes at a customers office and the people ther had no problems using it
[12:02] <tna> i was also wondering how much space i should allocate to ubuntu, i want to keep windows
[12:02] <tna> and
[12:02] <tna> my hard drive is 120gig
[12:02] <ateves> ok, what burning application do you use?
[12:02] <ateves> i can't find the right one
[12:03] <aleksi_> k3b is good for me
[12:03] <ateves> any gnome solutions?
[12:03] <anacron> tna: that depend's what do you wan't use linux for, you can access to your windows things with linux too, so watching movies and such a thing is possible
[12:03] <Bitmastro> gnomebaker... but k3b is the best imho
[12:04] <aleksi_> and it works just fine in gnome
[12:04] <ateves> yeah, i tested gnomebaker some days ago, but it took ages to encode mp3 files before burning them as an audio CD
[12:04] <Seveas> tna, 5GB for / and up to 1GB swap would do it
[12:04] <Seveas> but you can of course allocate more :)
[12:04] <anacron> how do i configure my no-ip tools so that it works?, i downloadet it with apt-get and it didn't ask any configurations
[12:06] <aleksi_> anacron: i can't remember but everything needed was on their website
[12:06] <aleksi_> I have no-ip on my ubuntu also
[12:07] <anacron> aleksi_: but did you install it with apt-get
[12:08] <topyli> anacron: ez-ipupdate might support no-ip too. i use it with dyndns though
[12:08] <daves> anyone tell me how to look inside a deb package ?
[12:08] <aleksi_> anacron: o, it might be i didn't
[12:08] <RQ> dh_unpack?
[12:08] <RQ> or sth
[12:08] <RQ> for that
[12:09] <anacron> topyli: well i'd like to use no-ip since i did get it working with debian
[12:09] <Seveas> anacron, how did you cinfig it ubder debian?
[12:09] <Seveas> daves, wit dpkg-deb or ar you can look inside it
[12:09] <Bitmastro> you can open it with right click.. mm archive manager (don't know if it's the right translation)
[12:09] <topyli> anacron: yep, i'm just saying that ez-ipupdate comes with ubuntu and you can configure it for different services
[12:09] <anacron> just downloaded the file and then make, make install and other compiling stuff and then it worked just fine
[12:10] <Seveas> anacron, well, if you didn't do any configuring under debian, you probably won't need any for Ubuntu too..
[12:10] <anacron> topyli: oh, so how do i run it
[12:10] <topyli> anacron: it's a service, starts at init
[12:11] <anacron> Seveas: how do i configure it then? just typing the name in console?
[12:11] <anacron> maybe i just try before asking stupid questions
[12:11] <topyli> anacron: debconf should configure it, asking a few questions
[12:11] <kolcvk> pplz can you help me ? why my ubuntu is so slow ?
[12:11] <kolcvk> i've got :
[12:11] <kolcvk> Celeron 1.2 GHz / 768 MB RAM / 240 GB HDD / 256 MB VGA
[12:11] <anacron> if ubuntu is slow then you have slow computer :D
[12:11] <tuxJr_14> hi
[12:12] <kolcvk> that's not slow PC
[12:12] <kolcvk> :)
[12:12] <Bitmastro> it shouldn't be so slow
[12:12] <tuxJr_14> even my ubuntu is slow
[12:12] <Seveas> kolcvk, then what is slow?
[12:12] <tuxJr_14> 512 Mb ram
[12:12] <tuxJr_14> 2.33 ghz pc
[12:12] <RQ> anacron, why not use ez-ipupdate?
[12:12] <tuxJr_14> *cpu
[12:12] <Bitmastro> open a console and do top
[12:12] <RQ> i've been using it personally. works.
[12:12] <kolcvk> maybe it need some specific progs ?
[12:12] <Bitmastro> which process are eating up cpu?
[12:12] <Seveas> anacron, /usr/local/bin/noip2 -C                 configure a client
[12:12] <Seveas> from the README
[12:13] <anacron> Seveas: i did try that, but when i do the config's it won't work
[12:13] <Seveas> try it as root
[12:13] <anacron> Seveas: i did
[12:13] <trevi> I'm on a Duron 950 and 128M, and ubuntu works great
[12:13] <anacron> Seveas: or, you mean like root, or sudo -s?
[12:13] <Seveas> kolcvk, tuxJr_14 'my pc is slow'  is a bad diagnostic... please be more specific....
[12:13] <daves> Seveas: do you know about a file that is need to be reomved from openoffice 2.0 106 ?
[12:14] <Seveas> daves, no
[12:14] <Seveas> anacron, doesn;t matter
[12:14] <Seveas> anacron, by the way NEVER use sudo -s
[12:14] <Seveas> use sudo -i instead
[12:14] <anacron> Seveas: why
[12:14] <anacron> Seveas: is that in sudo wiki?
[12:14] <Seveas> sudo -s does not reset HOME, USER etc...
[12:14] <kolcvk> hmm Seveas what exactly we need to paste ?
[12:14] <Seveas> may cause unexpected things to happen
[12:14] <tuxJr_14> Seveas, ubuntu is dead slow. dunno why
[12:14] <anacron> Seveas: okay
[12:15] <anacron> thanks for info
[12:15] <Seveas> kolcvk, just tell what exactly is slow, games, the gui, etc....
[12:15] <epiloc> Seveas, I use sudo -s all the time... what kind of 'unexpected' things might this cause?
[12:15] <kolcvk> gui
[12:15] <Seveas> tuxJr_14, paste the output of top -b -n1 on a pastebin
[12:15] <daves> Seveas: oh, thanks, will have a look inside it to see if i can see something that looks familiar.
[12:15] <anacron> my mini-itx is "slow
[12:15] <anacron> too, but i changed my theme and it work's a lot better now
[12:16] <kolcvk> yes it probably of MacOS theme ...
[12:16] <gusman> hey all
[12:16] <Seveas> kolcvk/tuxJr_14: sis you install a kernel specific to your system (ie: linux-686 for intel or linux-k7 for amd) and do you have a large enough swap?
[12:16] <gusman> what /dev is my raid under
[12:16] <gusman> ?
[12:16] <Seveas> kolcvk/tuxJr_14: have at least 768MB swap
[12:16] <Seveas> gusman, /dev/md* iirc
[12:17] <kolcvk> i have 2G's of swap
[12:17] <drcode> hi all
[12:17] <drcode> is there dc++ gui in linux
[12:17] <drcode> ?
[12:17] <marko4> Leave
[12:17] <Seveas> kolcvk, then do the top -b -n1 and show the output
[12:17] <Seveas> drcode, dcgui-qt (aka valknut)
[12:17] <Fidelio> can anybody please tell me how to specify a DHCP server to connect to in Hoary?
[12:17] <drcode> thanx
[12:18] <daves> drcode: why not try amule ?
[12:18] <marko4> quit
[12:18] <Seveas> marko4, try /quit
[12:18] <drcode> thanxc
[12:18] <drcode> I will
[12:18] <anacron> Fidelio: you can specify that in networks options
[12:18] <drcode> thanx
[12:18] <kolcvk> aaah its ok
[12:18] <kolcvk> it was just  file copying
[12:18] <kolcvk> but why copying from DVD is terribly slow ?
[12:19] <Seveas> kolcvk, enable dma to make that go faster and interfere less with the rest
[12:19] <Fidelio> I can specify to use DHCP, but I want to know where can I specify the address of actual dhcp server
[12:19] <Seveas> Fidelio, dhcp uses broadcasts
[12:19] <gusman> Seveas: should that display under fdisk if its installed?
[12:19] <Fidelio> ok, so where do I specify the broadcast address?
[12:19] <topyli> Fidelio: the server should advertise itself for your box
[12:19] <Seveas> gusman, don't know, but I think they don't...
[12:19] <gusman> using fdisk -l i only see sdb1 ,2 ,3
[12:20] <gusman> ok
[12:20] <Seveas> Fidelio, the broadcast address is fixed :)
[12:20] <gusman> cool
[12:20] <daves> got a 2nd hd with w2k on it, when i installed grub didn't pick it up so am unable to boot to it, any ideas ?
[12:20] <Fidelio> when I run dhclient3 I see the system looking for a DHCP server on all network interfaces but,
[12:20] <gusman> Seveas: what did u mean bye iirc?
[12:20] <Fidelio> it only looks at <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[12:20] <Seveas> if i recall correctly
[12:20] <gusman> Seveas: /dev/md* iirc
[12:20] <gusman> you said
[12:21] <Seveas> Fidelio, that IS the broadcast address :)
[12:21] <Seveas> gusman, iirc is a well known abbreviation for 'if i recall correctly'
[12:21] <gusman> cool
[12:21] <gusman> thanks very much
[12:22] <Fidelio> OK, I'm confused
[12:22] <Fidelio> why then does my windows machine get a dhcp response, but not the ubuntu machine
[12:23] <anacron> Seveas: ah now no-ip thing works, i dunno what i did :D
[12:23] <Seveas> Fidelio, maybe the dhcp server ignores it
[12:23] <Fidelio> I'm pretty sure the wireless card is setup correctly as I've run quite a few tests on it
[12:23] <mindspin> Seveas: isn't the correct broadcast adress localnetwork.255 as <IP_ADDRESS> if your network address is <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[12:23] <topyli> anacron: no-ip.com probably just took some time to agree with your client
[12:23] <Seveas> Fidelio, does the output of iwconfig give you an Access point other than FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[12:24] <Seveas> mindspin, <IP_ADDRESS> is the global broadcast
[12:24] <mindspin> yes
[12:24] <Seveas> and since dhcp client does not know the network it must use a global broadcast :)
[12:24] <mindspin> ok
[12:25] <Fidelio> as far as I remember yes
[12:25] <Seveas> look at it
[12:25] <Seveas> it should look like what is posted at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/691
[12:25] <anacron> topyli: i don't think it's that, since i've been working this since yesterday
[12:26] <anacron> topyli: maybe it was some small thing in configuring
[12:26] <anacron> typo or so
[12:26] <carlos> Is there any guide that explains how to install Hoary from the network without a CD or a floppy disk?
[12:26] <Fidelio> seveas, I'll have to come back to you on that...
[12:26] <Seveas> carlos, yes
[12:26] <topyli> anacron: perhaps the moon phase just changed
[12:26] <Seveas> carlos, the LocalNetInstall page on the wiki
[12:26] <anacron> topyli: yeah, that must be it
[12:26] <carlos> Seveas, ok, thanks!
[12:27] <Seveas> carlos, I used that as inspiration to create an automated cluster install :)
[12:27] <jurgonh> Is there any  programs like DVD-shrink for Linux?
[12:27] <Rorviker> there aint no firewall in ubuntu ? got problem with both ftp and ssh, work local but not from the outside
[12:27] <anacron> jurgonh: check out what gnomefiles.com got for you
[12:27] <Nermal> jurgonh: acidrip ?
[12:27] <Nermal> !info acidrip
[12:27] <ubotu> acidrip: (ripping and encoding DVD tool using mplayer and mencoder), section multiverse/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.14-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 268 kB
[12:28] <Nermal> note the multiverse
[12:29] <Seveas> Rorviker, there ar no firewalling rules installed by default
[12:29] <Seveas> is your machine behind a NAT router perhaps?
[12:29] <trevi> how do I desativate the minimize effect? It's awful...
[12:30] <Nermal> trevi: probably a key in gconf
[12:30] <Rorviker> Seveas: Yeah, behind a router, but I have forwarded the ports.
[12:31] <trevi> ok...I check
[12:32] <Seveas> Rorviker, also  for passice ftp..?
[12:32] <Seveas> that needs more than just port 21...
[12:32] <Rorviker> I know
[12:33] <Rorviker> there is no connection at all
[12:33] <Rorviker> I'm gonna move the server now so hope I can fix it
[12:33] <Rorviker> thx for the help .)
[12:34] <qt2> linux video streaming... suggestions? pointers? guides?
[12:34] <qt2> ;)
[12:35] <wrtpeeps> guys, do you think this would be useful to newcomers: http://wrtpeeps.stonerocket.net/bin/Ubuntu-minimal.txt
[12:36] <wrtpeeps> it's very simple, i was just curious is all :)
[12:36] <cap_> has anyone installed ubuntu-5 on a fujitsu/siemens lifebook s7020? or any other laptop with the new 915 graphic chipset?
[12:36] <brouillard> does anyone know when the firefox 1.0.6 package for ubuntu comes out?
[12:37] <topyli> perhaps in the next ubuntu release
[12:37] <brouillard> not earlier?
[12:38] <topyli> definitely not
[12:38] <Seveas> security patches will be backported to the current version
[12:38] <brouillard> but i thought there were security problems
[12:38] <brouillard> oh
[12:38] <jimcooncat> Good morning! How can I tell the options a package was compiled with, say I'd like to know what the "apache" package supports?
[12:38] <Seveas> but firefox developers are lazy so it's a lot of work for Ubuntu
[12:38] <Seveas> devs
[12:38] <brouillard> and that works with the normal system updates?
[12:38] <ptlo> maybe ubuntuforums backport repositories will get them earlier?
[12:38] <ptlo> s/them/firefox1.0.6/
[12:38] <Seveas> jimcooncat, apt-get source apache2 and read debian/rules :)
[12:39] <jimcooncat> thanks Seveas!!
[12:39] <anacron> seveas knows everything
[12:39] <Seveas> wrtpeeps, these instructions are crap!
[12:39] <topyli> ptlo: probably, but it's not necessary to use the backport
[12:40] <Seveas> wrtpeeps, first you make sources.list public writable and then you edit it as root, how foolish...
[12:40] <wrtpeeps> heh
[12:40] <wrtpeeps> ah
[12:41] <wrtpeeps> yea, i was told about that, meant to change it
[12:41] <wrtpeeps> Seveas: so they're crap cause of 1 mistake..
[12:41] <wrtpeeps> man you rule :/
[12:41] <Seveas> wrtpeeps, and install an *dm so you don't need startx
[12:41] <Seveas> wrtpeeps, ok, i overexaggerated :)
[12:42] <ptlo> topyli, *nod*; i'm using the backports because they've got some other intersting packets (not in the multiverse at all) which i'm too lazy to build myself (and why would i when the fine folks over there already did it:)
[12:42] <wrtpeeps> Seveas: hehe, anyway, i uploading a new version, changed that problem
[12:42] <topyli> ptlo: yep, backports-extras has genuinely useful packages
[12:43] <Seveas> topyli, yeah
[12:43] <Seveas> freenx!
[12:43] <wrtpeeps> Seveas: refresh it
[12:44] <Seveas> wrtpeeps, why aren't you installing xdm/gdm/kdm/whatever *dm?
[12:44] <hondje> entrace doesn't have a dm
[12:45] <hondje> maybe raster should rename it edm
[12:45] <IIIEars> Is there a command to mount all available drives?
[12:45] <Flying-Penguin> hello guys I need help,OK, I am using a microsoft intellimouse explorer 2.0 wireless, witch has side scrolling and back and foword buttons, in an atemp to make theas buttons work  I found this website http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/03/01/tilt-wheel-mouse/
[12:45] <Seveas> IIIEars, if you have them in fstab: mount -a
[12:46] <Flying-Penguin> right now I am only trying to do the xorg.conf stuff, then I will move on to the next step,this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/18118now I = dumb with linux, so i didn't realy know what to do, when I saw this I thought this should work for xorg, and it said what to put in my mouse section so I deleted my mouse section and put that in... and X wouldn't start
[12:46] <hondje> unless they're set noauto
[12:46] <IIIEars> Seveas - Thank You :)
[12:46] <Seveas> hondje, true
[12:46] <Flying-Penguin> this is my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/18118*
[12:46] <Flying-Penguin> can anyone help me?
[12:47] <wrtpeeps> Seveas: i am going to add that
[12:47] <wrtpeeps> you mean the graphical login thing?
[12:47] <hondje> those links don't work
[12:47] <Flying-Penguin> arg that web site agen is http://pastebin.ca/18118 (and this time it doesn't have anything that I forgot to put a space on)
[12:47] <Seveas> wrtpeeps, yes
[12:47] <wrtpeeps> yea, GDM, i am going to add that
[12:48] <hondje> that doesn't look like ubuntu's xorg.conf
[12:48] <Flying-Penguin> I used fglrxconfig... I have an ATI
[12:49] <hondje> should probably uncomment some of the modelines
[12:50] <hondje> oh, there they are
[12:51] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: ???
[12:52] <mridle> i have a real weird error, downloads stalls when i use apt-get
[12:53] <mridle> have to abort apt and try again (luckily apt-get resumes)
[12:53] <mridle> anyone heard of something similar?
[12:54] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: uncomment what?
[12:54] <Oddie0101> hi all
[12:54] <hondje> nothing, I didn't scroll down far enough
[12:54] <hondje> I can't see what's wrong, probably because I've never set up an ATI in my life :)
[12:55] <Oddie0101> im going crazy here can anyone help me with an installation of a wireless pcmcia card?
[12:55] <Flying-Penguin> no see... I am in x right now so nuthing is wrong with that config hondje
[12:55] <hondje> I don't see why the load modules is uncommented, but I bet there's a reason
[12:55] <hondje> oh, then what were you asking?
[12:55] <Flying-Penguin> but I am having problem following this http://blog.blackdown.de/2005/03/01/tilt-wheel-mouse/
[12:56] <hondje> oh
[12:56] <hondje> you said X wouldn't start, I ran from there
[12:56] <rommer> i have a couple of identical computers that i am looking to turn into a cluster using ubuntu linux, anyone have an idea on how to do this
[12:57] <hondje> what kind of cluster?
[12:57] <Oddie0101> no body.....?
[12:57] <Oddie0101> that sounds cool rommer
[12:57] <Flying-Penguin> sorry to have typed so much hondje, but I was saying X wouldn't start after I pasted in the first step as my mouse section
[12:57] <cap_> rommer, whats your goal?
[12:58] <Poromies> uh oh, guys, I have a problem with kernel-restricted-modules and Synaptic
[12:59] <Poromies> when i try to dl&install restricted modules with synaptic, it says that they have unmet dependencies
[12:59] <Seveas> Poromies, which version of Ubuntu?
[12:59] <Poromies> "Riippuvuudet: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-3-amd64-k8  but it is not installable"
[12:59] <Seveas> rommer, I just did such a setup
[12:59] <Seveas> rommer, I'm documenting it on the wiki (UbuntuOnCluster)
[12:59] <topyli> Poromies: ubuntu doesn't have a "kernel". it has a "linux". you're confusing debian packages with ubuntu's
[12:59] <hondje> Flying-Penguin: did /var/log/Xorg.0.log give you any useful errors?
[12:59] <Seveas> but it's pretty inclomplete right now
[01:00] <hondje> the starfish knows all
[01:00] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: I don't even know what that is... I am way a linux nub
[01:00] <Seveas> Poromies, breezy has NO restricted modules yet
[01:00] <Poromies> Riippuvuudet=Dependecies
[01:00] <Poromies> crap :(
[01:00] <hondje> Flying-Penguin: ah, well then in a terminal run 'sudo gedit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' and look for error messages (usually near the end, with (EE) in front)
[01:00] <Seveas> Poromies, you should not yet use Breezy anyway :)
[01:01] <Poromies> well humm.. i do need restricted modules to get ATI drivers working, or do I?
[01:01] <IIIEars> Seveas - Do you have that phrase aliased to a single key? - grin
[01:01] <Seveas> rommer, for the fglrx driver: yes
[01:01] <Seveas> IIIEars, no :)
[01:02] <Seveas> Poromies, for the fglrx driver: yes
[01:02] <hondje> there's enough?
[01:02] <Seveas> rommer, when are you planning to create your cluster, I will finalize my documentation this week or next week
[01:03] <IIIEars> << Faxes Seveas a cup.
[01:03] <hondje> so many types of clusters :-/
[01:03] <topyli> Seveas: install coffee.el for your emacs
[01:03] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: I didn't realy see any, but I went through it kinda fast... if you wana look here it is http://pastebin.ca/18119
[01:03] <IIIEars> <<- likes chocolate covered peanut clusters.. - lol
[01:04] <Seveas> topyli, emacs leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
[01:04] <IIIEars> heh
[01:04] <hondje> plus it sucks
[01:04] <topyli> Seveas: nevertheless, it's the only editor with a coffee maker extension :)
[01:05] <IIIEars> roflmao
[01:05] <Seveas> so useless
[01:05] <gusman> can someone tell me can if mount a raid array that was made for windows xp
[01:05] <Seveas> like 99% of emacs :)
[01:05] <gusman> that is ntfs
[01:05] <gusman> or if it was fat even
[01:05] <deFrysk> Seveas, suffering leads to heaven ;p
[01:05] <Seveas> mount -t vfat /dev/your_raid_array /mnt/wherever
[01:06] <Seveas> if it is harware raid of course :)
[01:06] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: how would you put in the first step on that mouse help website? I am prity sure you can reply to the paste on that pastebin
[01:07] <N00b_Jurgonh> I have a External USB - HDD, i can read from it but not write to it, i dont have the authotity.. how do i change this?
[01:07] <IIIEars> vfat and raid? no journaing filesystem?
[01:07] <gusman> Seveas: is reall hardware raid like allway gona work on linux?
[01:07] <hondje> Flying-Penguin: try Xorg.1.log
[01:07] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: ok
[01:08] <Seveas> gusman, if you have drivers for your raid controller: i guess so
[01:08] <Seveas> but my experience with this is very limited
[01:08] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: its blan... meaing the file doesn't egsist I think
[01:08] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: exist*
[01:08] <nilsl> Another videoplayer than mplayer?
[01:09] <anacron> nilsL: vlc
[01:09] <IIIEars> vlc is very nice and crossplatform
[01:09] <IIIEars> !dvd
[01:09] <ubotu> hmm... dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[01:09] <topyli> nilsL: xine and its various frontend options
[01:09] <nilsL> anacron: Ok.
[01:10] <nilsL> topyli: Ok.
[01:10] <nilsL> Thx. :-)
[01:10] <gusman> Seveas: if you had hard ware raid would you need drivers?
[01:10] <gusman> Seveas: I thought you wouldn't
[01:10] <Seveas> gusman, most likely
[01:10] <Seveas> all hardware needs drivers
[01:10] <basti> wtf? xmms just stopped playing mp3s when I installed linuxheaders for my kernel?
[01:11] <Seveas> it's just that most are available by default :)
[01:11] <TheNeXuS> moin
[01:11] <hondje> Flying-Penguin: change the lines in Xorg.conf like you did, then ctrl-alt-bckspace to restart X.  Then, if it doesn't come back up, press ctrl-alt-f1 to get a tty, and log in. Then, run 'cp /var/log/Xorg.0.log xorglog' and come back here
[01:11] <gusman> hmmm
[01:11] <topyli> another thunderstorm goes by, i'm still up and running :)
[01:11] <basti> someone could give me a better suggestion instead of xmms ?
[01:11] <hondje> beep media player
[01:11] <Seveas> beep rocks
[01:12] <basti> k :) gonna try it
[01:12] <hondje> like xmms, but not ancient :)
[01:12] <Seveas> or muine
[01:12] <topyli> basti: almost any player :)
[01:12] <basti> sounds good
[01:12] <gusman> Seveas, well its sillian vally onbord raid on a lan party mobo and it is set up in the bios
[01:12] <deFrysk> whats wrong with xmms ?
[01:12] <hondje> it's ugly
[01:12] <deFrysk> hondje, get a propeer skin
[01:12] <N00b_Jurgonh> I have a External USB HD, i cant download anything to it or change anything on it, it is read-only.. i cant change it either.. what to do?
[01:12] <topyli> deFrysk: the interface is unusable and looks bad
[01:12] <deFrysk> proper
[01:13] <deFrysk> topyli, never had any probs
[01:13] <hondje> the skin can't change the evil that is gtk1
[01:13] <Seveas> propers skins won't help there
[01:13] <Seveas> crappy gtk1 menus
[01:13] <anacron> i think xmms is making that what it should do, play mp3 and other music files.
[01:13] <deFrysk> xmms is better supported then beep
[01:13] <IIIEars> jurgonh - iswhat type of file system is the disk?
[01:13] <topyli> deFrysk: well, i used xmms for years, it works of course. there's just so many better options now
[01:13] <mridle> rythmbox aint all that bad
[01:13] <hondje> Yes, but it's still ugly
[01:13] <hondje> xmms2 might be better
[01:14] <Seveas> deFrysk, lots of things for xmms work on beep :)
[01:14] <deFrysk> rythmbox is fine too yes
[01:14] <Seveas> including the Ubuntu skin :)
[01:15] <topyli> deFrysk: persistence is a virtue :)
[01:15] <Seveas> or a curse ;)
[01:15] <deFrysk> topyli, true true ;p
[01:15] <deFrysk> Seveas, also true
[01:16] <basti> this is insane I cannot play mp3s in any player!?
[01:16] <hondje> !tell basti about restricted
[01:16] <hondje> does the bot use notice yet?
[01:16] <basti> well he told me :P
[01:17] <hondje> in a msg or a notice?
[01:17] <mridle> !tell mridle about restricted
[01:17] <Bitmastro> anyone heard of ubuntulite?
[01:17] <basti> in a priv msg
[01:17] <hondje> !tell hondje about restricted
[01:17] <mridle> pm
[01:17] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: sorry i was afk are you still there?\
[01:18] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, no she just left :)
[01:18] <Seveas> (and yes I know hondje is not female :p)
[01:18] <mridle> she isnt?!?
[01:18] <hondje> :(
[01:18] <hondje> Yes, I'm here
[01:19] <hondje> And still male :p
[01:19] <Flying-Penguin> :P
[01:19] <topyli> so all is well
[01:19] <Flying-Penguin> ok so by change you mean delete all fo Pointer's InputDevice section
[01:19] <hondje> nah, just comment it out with #'s and add that stuff you found
[01:20] <Flying-Penguin> and put in   Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver     "mouse" Option  ..... AxisMapping"    "8 9 6 7"  Option     "Emulate3Buttons" "false"
[01:22] <hondje> and then edit Xmodmap
[01:22] <hondje> like that site said
[01:22] <Linforcer> Hey, I think I left my jacket in this/ channel.
[01:22] <Linforcer> Anybody seen it?
[01:22] <Linforcer> it's like.. denim
[01:22] <hondje> Did you check #debian?
[01:22] <Linforcer> hmmm
[01:23] <Linforcer> you have int don't you?
[01:23] <ubuntudriftfast1> hondje your addicted to the irc arent ya?
[01:23] <Linforcer> trying to get me to leave eh
[01:23] <Linforcer> so you can STEAAAL IT
[01:23] <hondje> No, I'm forced to be up all night
[01:23] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: how do I edit Xmodmap?
[01:23] <hondje> just like you edit xorg.conf
[01:23] <ubuntudriftfast1> hondje why the caffeine?
[01:23] <Linforcer> nuuuuuuu!
[01:24] <Linforcer> my jacket!
[01:24] <Linforcer> I need it
[01:24] <mridle> this is so f*cked up.. my dvd-burner stopped working in windows, but works in ubuntu... :)
[01:24] <Linforcer> I'm leaving for Spain in 20 minutes
[01:24] <hondje> ubuntudriftfast1: work
[01:24] <Linforcer> :D
[01:24] <mridle> however, my network is unstable in linux...
[01:24] <ubuntudriftfast1> hondje what do you do?
[01:24] <topyli> Linforcer: perhaps it founded its own channel... #denim-fetish or something
[01:24] <hondje> make pretty pictures, normally
[01:24] <mridle> large downloads stalls&aborts.. anyone know *anything* about that sort of behaviour?
[01:24] <Linforcer> xD
[01:24] <hondje> tonight I'm sitting here talking in #ubuntu, in case something happens
[01:25] <hondje> like, a phone ringing
[01:25] <ubuntudriftfast1> i mean what kinda job
[01:25] <Linforcer> hondje hhas a job as a guard dog
[01:25] <Linforcer> that's why he's "hondje"
[01:25] <hondje> guard puppy :)
[01:25] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: what if there is no Xmodmap in /etc/X11/?
[01:25] <Linforcer> ya
[01:25] <hondje> Flying-Penguin: then make it :)
[01:25] <ubuntudriftfast1> easy enough
[01:25] <hondje> edit it, and save it
[01:25] <hondje> I odn't know what kind of job I have
[01:25] <hondje> a boring one?
[01:26] <nilsL> I got all the xine-things from synaptic installed, but where's the player?
[01:26] <hondje> great, supposed to be 108 today :(
[01:26] <topyli> nilsL: you need a frontedn. xine-ui or totem-xine or something
[01:27] <topyli> frontend even
[01:27] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: should it be anything like .conf or just no .
[01:27] <nilsL> topyli: Ok.
[01:27] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: make that no .(something)
[01:27] <hondje> Just Xmodmap
[01:27] <Flying-Penguin> ok
[01:27] <Flying-Penguin> ty
[01:27] <hondje> extensions are for convenience, linux uses magic numbers
[01:28] <topyli> extensions are for dumb systems that don't know a file from a device :)
[01:28] <hondje> I was trying to be nice :)
[01:28] <topyli> heh
[01:29] <Flying-Penguin> LOL ok brb I am going to restart X
[01:29] <hmrocha> Hello, anyone here uses xchm?
[01:30] <basti> this pisses me off; normally in default install I could play mp3 from scratch in xmms and now I cant?
[01:31] <basti> anyone wanna remote me through vnc?
[01:31] <hmrocha> basti, install gstreamer0.8-mad and use rhythmbox to listen to mp3
[01:31] <basti> I did it!!!
[01:31] <basti> but I dont wanna use rhytmbox
[01:31] <Whistler> mantass swx
[01:31] <hmrocha> hondje, a program to read microsoft's chm document format
[01:31] <topyli> basti: free systems don't play non-free stuff before you add non-free codecs
[01:31] <hmrocha> basti, use muine then
[01:32] <hmrocha> basti, (xmms sucks)
[01:32] <basti> k gonna try
[01:32] <hondje> I don't even know what a chm is, so no clue :)
[01:32] <hmrocha> basti, i don't know if muine is already in hoary's ports
[01:32] <mantass> Whistler: labas
[01:32] <basti> it is
[01:32] <hmrocha> basti, ok, muine is a great player
[01:32] <basti> apting it now
[01:33] <Flying-Penguin> ok
[01:33] <Flying-Penguin> I did what you asked... and X didn't start so I ran that command
[01:33] <Whistler> how do i restart gnome panels?
[01:33] <Flying-Penguin> now what hondje?
[01:33] <hmrocha> Whistler, open a terminal and execute "killall gnome-panel" i think
[01:33] <hondje> upload that xorglog thing you made with cp to pastebin
[01:34] <hmrocha> hondje, it's just a document format
[01:34] <mantass> Whistler: updating X'us ish breezy ir nereiks gnome paneliu :)
[01:34] <hmrocha> hondje, proprietary i think
[01:34] <Whistler> mantass kaip suprast?
[01:35] <hondje> ah, google says 'This is documentation on the .chm format used by Microsoft HTML Help'
[01:35] <hondje> why would you need one of those in linux?
[01:35] <hmrocha> hondje, i have a document in chm format that i need to print, i use xchm to read it
[01:35] <hmrocha> hondje, i just want to print a chapter, but i think i can only print all pages or page x to y
[01:36] <hmrocha> and this document doesn't tell me the page i'm in! :(
[01:36] <hondje> No clue man, sorry
[01:36] <hmrocha> hondje, no problem
[01:36] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: http://pastebin.ca/18121
[01:38] <hondje> Flying-Penguin: post your xorg.conf again
[01:38] <hondje> I think you have mismatched names in there
[01:38] <Flying-Penguin> I restarted x... I don't have it
[01:38] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: hold on let me re pastbin it
[01:39] <ed1t> Flying-Penguin, use generic mouse drivers
[01:40] <Flying-Penguin> ed1t: by generic you mean?
[01:40] <ed1t> Flying-Penguin, wa kinda mouse is it? PS/2?
[01:41] <Flying-Penguin> ed1t: it is ps/2... but it has 5 buttons pluse side to side scrolling
[01:41] <ed1t> hmmm
[01:41] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: here is my current xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/18122
[01:42] <IIIEars> Flying-Penguin - likely there is a fix out there somone has that mouse and linux - give the model name and i will test my google skills for a solution for you.
[01:42] <hondje> (EE) Mouse1: cannot open input device
[01:43] <hondje> That's because the mouse is named mouse1 later on
[01:43] <hondje> but you're putting in that other one
[01:43] <hondje> on line 544
[01:43] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: this is my xorg.conf after I changed it, this is what I did when it woudn't start http://pastebin.ca/18123
[01:43] <abarbaccia> hey - i have a rio carbon MP3 player and when i plug it in ubuntu mounts it like a removable drive.  I put a song on it -but only the song name appears, with no data in the file (0 bytes) any ideas?
[01:43] <J_P> hi all
[01:43] <tvoss> all: Get the humility-icon-theme here: http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/humility-icons.tar.bz2
[01:43] <Flying-Penguin> ok IIIEars let me type it
[01:44] <Flying-Penguin> IIIEars: its a Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0        model:1007
[01:44] <ed1t> Flying-Penguin, also add Option "CorePointer" in mouse
[01:45] <J_P> people, not have package flashplugin in ubuntu ?
[01:45] <IIIEars> http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xfree/mouse/ - kinda vague. but still looking.
[01:45] <hondje> flashplugin-nonfree is in multiverse
[01:45] <ed1t> i got a microsoft wireless mouse...it works perfect under the same settings as u
[01:46] <IIIEars> edlt - how many buttons does your mouse have?
[01:46] <ed1t> 2 and scroll bar
[01:46] <ed1t> scroll*
[01:46] <basti> omg.. that muine player sucked =(
[01:46] <ed1t> basti, ?
[01:46] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: "that's because the mouse is named Mouse1 later on" as you see on line 255 of the original 'Identifier  "Mouse1"' so when I copyed in Identifier "Configured Mouse" I changed it to "Mouse1"
[01:46] <basti> muine media player...
[01:47] <basti> blows :S
[01:47] <ValheruLord> grub-install (hd0,0)
[01:47] <ValheruLord>  why is this not working
[01:47] <ed1t> basti, lol use media player
[01:47] <ValheruLord> it says syntax error
[01:47] <basti> hmrocha told me it was a good one lol
[01:47] <ed1t> rhythmbox
[01:47] <Flying-Penguin> IIIEars: well it has the two normal buttons (2) a scrool weal (2) pushing down the scrool weal (1) the two side buttons (2) and left and right scrool (2) so thats 9 I think
[01:48] <ed1t> rythmbox is good
[01:48] <basti> its too big imo =/
[01:48] <basti> and not sxinnable
[01:48] <ed1t> have u tried xmms?
[01:48] <ed1t> xmms is compac
[01:48] <ed1t> compact
[01:49] <basti> yeah. but it bugs for me dunno why.. I cannot play mp3s in it. it just freezes
[01:49] <ed1t> basti, same thing happens to me
[01:49] <ed1t> heh
[01:49] <basti> really?
[01:49] <Flying-Penguin> basti: you can't play mp3s because you have to install a plugin
[01:49] <ed1t> basti, yea gstreamer9
[01:49] <ed1t> err
[01:49] <ed1t> 8
[01:49] <ed1t> basti, yea gstreamer8
[01:50] <Flying-Penguin> ed1t: why "also add Option "CorePointer" in mouse"
[01:50] <ed1t> !info gstreamer8
[01:50] <Flying-Penguin> IIIEars: did you get that?
[01:50] <basti> hmm
[01:50] <Flying-Penguin> hondje: you still there?
[01:50] <ed1t> !info gstreamer8.9
[01:50] <ed1t> !info gstreamer8.0
[01:50] <basti> gstreamer0.8-mad package ?
[01:51] <basti> I got it alrdy. still freezes
[01:51] <Flying-Penguin> you know what
[01:51] <ed1t> Flying-Penguin, coz u have CorePointer defined in line 544
[01:51] <ed1t> InputDevice "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
[01:51] <Flying-Penguin> now that I think abought it my xmms freezes everyonce and awile (abought 12 songs) when on random
[01:51] <Flying-Penguin> must be something abought your songs
[01:52] <Flying-Penguin> for instance in windows I cant listen to some of my songs unless I go download the licence for them... (wma's) I think most are
[01:52] <scena> I have a quick question about routing. Can someone help?
[01:53] <ed1t> scena, just ask
[01:54] <Flying-Penguin> is everyone done helping me?
[01:54] <Shorty`> Flying-Penguin, I think so
[01:54] <Shorty`> Next please
[01:54] <Shorty`> :>
[01:54] <scena> Ok. :) I'd like to use Ubuntu as a router. I just need it to route between two specific IP ranges (12.XX.XX.XX and 10.100.104.XX). Do I need to install any complex routing software, or can I get away with adding static routes to the network cards?
[01:54] <Flying-Penguin> :*( thats not good considering that my problem isn't fixed
[01:54] <IIIEars> Flying-Penguin - linux will recognize all of your mouse buttons. How do you assign them to a function in firefox?
[01:54] <Shorty`> scena, you should be fine with static routing.
[01:55] <hussam> what PCMCIA wifi cards are supported by kernel 2.6 without ndiswrapper or any 3rd party driver?
[01:55] <qt2> linux video streaming... suggestions? pointers? guides?
[01:55] <scena> Shorty': Ok, then mynext question is which start up script would I place the route commands?
[01:55] <Shorty`> hussam, check the kernel stuff?
[01:55] <ksyms> Where is the grub config file located?
[01:55] <Shorty`> vim /etc/network/interfaces
[01:55] <Shorty`> :)
[01:55] <scena> shorty': sweetness. i was looking in the wrong place. :)
[01:55] <Flying-Penguin> IIIEars: how do I assign them in firefox then?
[01:56] <Shorty`> nw :)
[01:56] <Shorty`> dinner time :>
[01:56] <IIIEars> Yes. - nothing in firefox to add mouse functions
[01:57] <ed1t> hussam, i got Intel 100/1000 Pro Wireless card, it works perfect
[01:57] <ed1t> i didnt had to download/install any drivers
[01:57] <scena> Whoa, that interface file isn't what I was expecting to see. Is there a special way to add static routes?
[01:57] <J_P> people, what package I install for look web pages with flash ?
[01:57] <hussam> ed1t: without ndiswrapper, right?
[01:58] <ed1t> 2196 a/b/g
[01:58] <ed1t> 2195 a/b/g
[01:58] <Flying-Penguin> ohh btw IIIEars if linux recognizes all my mouse buttons... why does my mouse button 4 go down as mouse button 3 and mouse button 5 go down as mouse button 2??
[01:58] <ed1t> hussam, yea
[01:58] <ksyms> Should we have a /etc/grub/grub.conf?
[01:58] <ksyms> i mean, should't we?
[01:58] <qt2> Flying-Penguin, xmodmap.
[01:58] <Flying-Penguin> qt2: what is xmodmap?
[01:59] <qt2> you can use it to map your mouse buttons.
[01:59] <Flying-Penguin> qt2: but if linux doesn't see my mouse button 456789 how can it map them?
[02:00] <qt2> Flying-Penguin, add a line to xorg.conf...
[02:00] <IIIEars> http://www.mepis.org/node/5663 http://lists.terrasoftsolutions.com/pipermail/yellowdog-general/2004-December/017321.html -
[02:00] <qt2> what mouse do you have?
[02:00] <ksyms>  /boot/grub/menu.lst right?
[02:00] <ed1t> ksyms, yes
[02:01] <qt2> Flying-Penguin, what mouse do you have?
[02:01] <ed1t> ksyms, wat about it?
[02:01] <ksyms> ed1t, i was trying to find it at /etc/grub/grub.conf
[02:01] <ed1t> ksyms, ooo
[02:01] <Flying-Penguin> qt2: I have the microsoft Wireless IntelliMouse Explorer 2.0
[02:02] <ed1t> brb
[02:02] <scena> Do you really place static routes in the /etc/network/interface file?
[02:03] <Flying-Penguin> IIIEars: thank you I will take a look at that
[02:03] <ksyms> ed1t\work, never used grub, should I edit this file, I've just compiled my kernel?
[02:04] <IIIEars> scena - "Bastille" Take a peek at it a graphical configuration tool for your firewall. - don't think firestarter will do it for you. :/
[02:04] <qt2> Flying-Penguin, bluetooth version?
[02:05] <Flying-Penguin> qt2: yup
[02:05] <ed1t\work> ksyms, wat u need to edit it for?
[02:06] <ed1t\work> ksyms, sudo grub-update or update-grub
[02:06] <ed1t\work> i dont remember
[02:06] <Fidelio> what does mode managed mean on a wifi connection?
[02:06] <ed1t\work> yep its update-grub
[02:06] <ksyms> ed1t\work, yeah, i was looking at the manpage, update-grub. Nice.
[02:06] <ksyms> ed1t\work, the default install of 5.0.4 didn't recognized my sound blaster live 7.1 24bit
[02:07] <qt2> Flying-Penguin, mind if i pm you?
[02:07] <ed1t\work> ksyms, that will automatically update the menu.lst for u
[02:07] <ksyms> ed1t\work, had to compile the kernel to set it.
[02:07] <ed1t\work> ooo
[02:08] <Flying-Penguin> qt2: no not at all
[02:08] <Fidelio> anybody?
[02:12] <Whistler> is it possible to stop download and continue it later when i am using apt-get
[02:12] <Whistler> ?
[02:12] <bimberi> Whistler: yes
[02:12] <Whistler> how can i do this?
[02:12] <bimberi> Whistler: <ctrl>C
[02:12] <J_P> ubuntu package of the packges from sid right ?
[02:13] <Whistler> and how do i continue?
[02:13] <ColonelKernel> J_P are they? I didnt know that
[02:13] <bimberi> Whistler: just re-run the same apt-get command
[02:14] <Whistler> oh yeah thx a lot
[02:14] <Whistler> =]
[02:14] <warty> Hi, I need a win xp sp2 serial...
[02:14] <samu> any idea why i get an illegal instruction error when trying to run mplayer?
[02:15] <bimberi> Whistler: np :)
[02:15] <samu> i apt-get the mplayer-custom package
[02:16] <flipy> warty: weird channel to ask it...
[02:16] <Whistler> :)
[02:16] <scena> Ok, so with the 'up' option in the 'interfaces' file, I can issue any command I like, correct?
[02:16] <bimberi> perhaps it's the nick :)
[02:17] <chucky_> heres an interesting one for ya, I just bought myself a new dual core intel chip.... and of course most of the h/w isnt yet supported ;p
[02:18] <warty> flipy, i need to reinstall my win partition, and... well... I am using ubuntu right now... Well, its not an excuse, but...hmmm... ok!!! Does anyone have an easy serial to help me?
[02:18] <Tsar_vonHumbug> flipy, mebbe warty has a highly attuned sense of irony ;)
[02:18] <chucky_> I kinda need to get it working a bit better with ubuntu, would the latest kernel ( dangerous I know ) be the right way to move?
[02:18] <Tsar_vonHumbug> nope, apparently not :p
[02:19] <IIIEars> Qtparted shows 38gigabytes for a 40 gigabyte disk. - is there something wrong?
[02:19] <flipy> warty: well, you can always ask Google, he knows everything
[02:19] <flipy> IIIEars: is a fat partition?
[02:20] <IIIEars> empty - zeroed out using dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb
[02:20] <chucky_> I'm thinking of installing 2.6.11 SMP good or bad idea?
[02:20] <warty> Ok, haha, thanks anyway.... I love ubuntu, but my parents wont live w/o win... i`m going to search, tks hehe... bye bye
[02:20] <flipy> chucky_: ubuntu-2.6.11?
[02:20] <concept10> chucky_, do you have 2 or more processors or an HT enabled processor?
[02:20] <chucky_> kernel 2.6.11
[02:21] <chucky_> I have one of those new pentium D processors
[02:21] <chucky_> dual core
[02:21] <IIIEars> flipy - could it be zeroed with an unusual cluster size even without a parttion table?
[02:21] <maswan> IIIEars: disk manufacturers count a gigabyte as<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes, but software counts a gigabyte as<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[02:21] <flipy> IIIEars: yes
[02:21] <concept10> it cant hurt to try it, just dotn delete old kernel
[02:21] <IIIEars> maswan - Oops! "Marketing" - roflmao.
[02:21] <flipy> IIIEars: try to run hdd regenerator
[02:22] <Tsar_vonHumbug> IIIEars, that's user space - there's some slack allowed usable only by root
[02:22] <maswan> IIIEars: this would mean that a disk labled 40 gigabytes would end up as 37-38 gigabytes as reported by partitioning tools and other software
[02:22] <concept10> IIIEars, you knew that already
[02:22] <flipy> IIIEars: look at p2p for hiren's boot cd 7.0
[02:22] <chucky_> hehe i'll give it a go.... i'm used to using far more conservative hw with linux
[02:22] <chucky_> so linux on the desktop with new h/w is new to me
[02:22] <IIIEars> flipy - hdd regenerator? - thats news? do you have a link?
[02:22] <flipy> IIIEars: http://www.dposoft.net/
[02:23] <IIIEars> Terrific! - Thank You. :)
[02:23] <flipy> IIIEars: I was having issues with a old 30 Gb 2.5'' hdd
[02:23] <flipy> IIIEars: linux saw it as 20Gb
[02:24] <J_P> In debian is "apt-cache search kernel-source" for get souces of kernel, and in ubuntu ?
[02:24] <flipy> IIIEars: after running hdd regenerator (it takes a lot of time to run) everything was fine again
[02:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug> IIIEars, see man mke2fs option -m - I quote " -m reserved-blocks-percentage
[02:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug>               Specify the percentage of the filesystem blocks reserved for the
[02:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug>               super-user.  This value defaults to 5%.
[02:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug> "
[02:24] <IIIEars> heh - "issues" - yep familiar with it. (got the T-Shirt and matching cap. too many windows rformat/fdisking)
[02:24] <bimberi> J_P: linux-source
[02:24] <Tsar_vonHumbug> and 5% of 40gig = 2gig
[02:25] <J_P> bimberi: Exist anyone manual with diferences between use debian and ubuntu, as this for example of the get kernels etc ?
[02:25] <flipy> I've set up an apache server in my home server, and I've installed mysql and php, but if I make the testphp.php and try to load it, it tries to download the file, not run it. What's the problem?
[02:25] <bimberi> J_P: not that i know of
[02:26] <J_P> bimberi: beouse I am change debian for ubuntu in servers and i need know what are diferenes..
[02:26] <J_P> only simply manual for ubuntu
[02:26] <Flying-Penguin> HELLO GUYS I am back ;)
[02:28] <mridle> flipy:  seems you failed to install the php module
[02:28] <flipy> uhmn
[02:28] <flipy> it is installed
[02:29] <bimberi> J_P: There is this - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[02:30] <mridle> flipy:  restarted apache?
[02:31] <flipy> yes
[02:32] <flipy> restarted, reinstalled
[02:32] <bimberi> J_P: ... but it's mostly philosophical - can't find much that's technical
[02:32] <flipy> I can see the default page for apache debian
[02:32] <scena> I added route commands to my interfaces file, but they aren't being picked up on boot.
[02:33] <scena> ive got an IP of 10.100.104.X on eth1 and 12.19.195.X on eth0. in eth1, i added: up route add -net <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0 . But it didn't work. Did I do something incorrect?
[02:36] <scena> Did i issue the up command incorrectly, or is that not what you do?
[02:37] <adwait> hey......can anyone help me with crontab? i used crontab -e to setup a few jobs.....but they just dont run
[02:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> do htey give an error?
[02:38] <bojangles> wow this is some comment:
[02:39] <ateves> hi! is there a way to resize the startmenu button so that it is not 128x128 but 256x128?
[02:39] <bojangles> "Once both residential broadband ISPs in your area adopt a policy of giving you an IP address only if your router and all computers connected to it are "trusted", Linux without DRM won't be worth much."
 :P
[02:41] <bojangles> "You won't be able to decrypt and use any of the new files formats. You won't be able to install/register/decrypt any of the new software. You will get increasingly locked out of websites. In a short time, the Trusted Computer Group's Network Connect System may deny you any internet access at all."
[02:41] <Tomcat_> That was exactly like I thought some years ago.
[02:41] <adwait> hey......can anyone help me with crontab? i used crontab -e to setup a few jobs.....but they just dont run
[02:41] <IIIEars> ateves - odd isn't it the other icons on the bar resize auto-magically. - i wonder if replacing the gnome foot *.png with a larger one would do it? Bar >> Properties >> size
[02:41] <Tomcat_> Now that TC is there but is not getting used anywhere, I highly doubt it will ever have any leverage.
[02:41] <rob_cowie> hi there.... Is this the right place to ask a few questions about installing packages (Specifically apache) on a machine with no net access
[02:42] <ateves> just replacing does not work, it's sized to 128x128 automatically
[02:42] <bojangles> "The generously give you a choice. You can voluntarily "opt-in" to using the Trust system and submit to wearing a pair of handcuffs in public, or you can crawl live as free as you like locked inside a virtual prison cell cut off from everyone else and everything else."
 :) I cant see any reason not to be present when sorting out channel issues.
[02:57] <avalost> I run anope services for my server
[02:57] <Amaranth> avalost: Unless it was doing a kline it'd be worthless
[02:57] <avalost> the killclones doesn't really work all that well
[02:57] <iiears_> Gee, imagine what one bigot could do with a script. - ugh
[02:57] <avalost> well killclones actually does set a kline for a temp time
[02:57] <nalioth> iiears_: you lost an ear
[02:58] <Amaranth> iiears_: That wasn't a script, that was a small zombie army.
[02:58] <iiears_> nalioth - i did? - grab some duct tape will ya?
[02:58] <avalost> Stx: I tend to disagree with you, i feel IRCops shouldn't have any say in private channel matters
[02:58] <Amaranth> He either didn't have anymore zombies yet or didn't want to ruin them on attacking us.
[02:58] <avalost> really
[02:58] <Amaranth> avalost: A bot flood disrupts network activity.
[02:58] <avalost> unless the matters spill over and result in chaos for the entire network/lusers
[02:58] <nalioth> Amaranth: did i miss the daily windows zombie revue and chorus?
[02:59] <ColonelKernel> Amaranth, its also a federal crime under US law
[02:59] <chaps0063> what is the proper information to insert into /etc/fstab for a rw fat32 volume?
[02:59] <avalost> Amaranth: i'm aware of that
[02:59] <Amaranth> nalioth: yep, sorry
[02:59] <Stx> avalost: We dont interfere in channels, unless asked.
[02:59] <avalost> Stx: ahh
[02:59] <avalost> good :P
[02:59] <RQ> J_P, universe ain't supported officially because there's not enough people to do that.
[02:59] <ColonelKernel> Amaranth, also, its a violation of every AUP ive ever red
[02:59] <nalioths_dog> chaps0063: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[02:59] <ColonelKernel> read
[02:59] <ircrob> orcs are better than zombies
[02:59] <Stx> Ill be leaving now, Amaranth - if anything, query me.
[02:59] <Stx> Stay safe.
[02:59] <Amaranth> avalost: Which means they don't interfere ever because they'll only do it an op asks.
[02:59] <Amaranth> gah, i didn't get to say thanks
[03:00] <iiears_> nalioth - they were doing the "Springtime for hitler reprise" - nice synchronization and thats about it.
[03:00] <goo> I have a problem with my 3crwe154g72 (driver 3c154g72 from ndiswrapper -l) - I can't get it to set the essid, altough it seems to run OK. Does anyone has any magic solution to this?
[03:00] <avalost> One of these days i'm going to compile dancer
[03:00] <avalost> i've never fiddled with it
[03:00] <Amaranth> wtf is Jvu_Z anyway?
[03:00] <Amaranth> dancer is dead
[03:00] <Amaranth> they are replacing it
[03:00] <avalost> Amaranth: looks like gibberish to me
[03:00] <avalost> with what?
[03:01] <Amaranth> I can't remember the name.
[03:01] <chaps0063> what do i add to /etc/fstab to mount my fat32 partition rw for all users.
[03:01] <nalioth> avalost: your character set is incomplete (or your client won't display those characters)
[03:01] <RQ> chaps0063, umode=000
[03:01] <Amaranth> It's something mostly like dancer for the ircd but they are getting rid of services and making something called 'Registry' to replace it.
[03:01] <RQ> ?
[03:01] <peterretief> how do i get this * JM installed anyway!!
[03:01] <Goshawk> hi
[03:02] <nalioth> chaps0063: the dog sent you something on that
[03:02] <iiears_> !java
[03:02] <ubotu> it has been said that java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:02] <chaps0063> nalioth: sorry about that..
[03:02] <avalost> nalioth: I see the characters, but still can't make sense of it
[03:02] <Goshawk> bob2, wireless cardworked in and amd64 laptop using ndiswrapper (i'm the guy of yesterday)
[03:02] <RQ> hm
[03:02] <Amaranth> brb
[03:03] <avalost> so i'm actually thinking about switching to ubuntu today
[03:03] <avalost> I just don't like the idea of compiling my servers and getting junk running again
[03:04] <avalost> nor does the idea of getting my music collection set up sound all that appealing
[03:04] <RQ> aand? ;)
[03:04] <avalost> and
[03:04] <RQ> go switch ;)
[03:04] <avalost> i'm whining
[03:04] <avalost> well
[03:04] <avalost> that would also require going to grab some new cd's as i've just discovere di'm out
[03:05] <RQ> is that a problem?..
[03:05] <iiears_> avalost - time to do some shopping for a new machine? - newegg is calling.. - grin
[03:05] <avalost> yes,, I still need to burn the iso
[03:05] <RQ> hmm, i wonder if there are netinstall floppies available for ubuntu ;))
[03:05] <avalost> iiears_: i'm poor man
[03:05] <avalost> lost my job when my mom had a stroke
[03:05] <avalost> had to go back home for a month
[03:06] <nalioth> RQ: the only way i know to netinstall is to use the minimal woody debian floppy image(s)
[03:06] <iiears_> Sorry to hear that.
[03:06] <avalost> ehh it happens
[03:06] <ircrob> i upgraded to xorg on breezy and it worked !
[03:06] <avalost> hopefully i'll find a decent job soon
[03:06] <avalost> otherwise i'll starve
[03:06] <RQ> wow
[03:06] <RQ> ;D
[03:06] <avalost> and no new machines for me
[03:06] <RQ> ircrob, lucky you :)
[03:06] <nalioth> RQ: once you get network and apt up, drop in the hoary sources.list and get after it
[03:06] <RQ> nalioth ah ;)
[03:06] <ircrob> with nvidia as well
[03:07] <iiears_> avalost - you could always take up playing poker online. - ;)
[03:07] <RQ> ircrob, aren't you missing the "fiexed" font now? :D
[03:07] <avalost> iiears_: tried that lost 100$ to win $160 :P
[03:07] <ircrob> RQ: added link for misc font
[03:08] <nalioth> RQ: doest work real well with sid, sarge or etch
[03:08] <RQ> errr... "fixed"
[03:08] <RQ> nalioth what doesn't?
[03:09] <nalioth> RQ: using sarge, sid or etch netinst image(s) dont work real well for this procedure
[03:09] <fjleon> hi, i need to install the ubuntu 2.6.10 kernel source
[03:09] <fjleon> what is the name of the package?
[03:09] <RQ> nalioth well, i have the CD anyways :)
[03:10] <ColonelKernel> fjleon, linux-source
[03:10] <RQ> the boot floppies was an idea for avalost
[03:10] <RQ> fjleon, apt-cache search for it?
[03:10] <nalioth> RQ: ah
[03:10] <ColonelKernel> fjleon, linux-source-2.6.10
[03:10] <rob_cowie> Am I right in thinking that apache2 is installed by default?
[03:11] <marco_MA> hi to all!
[03:11] <fjleon> thanks, i was wrongly looking under "kernel-source-xxx"
[03:11] <marco_MA> I need to setup a wireless whit dhcp
[03:11] <marco_MA> what tool can i use in ubuntu ?
[03:12] <RQ> marco_MA, network preferences panel, i guess..
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob_cowie: not on a standard install
[03:12] <rob_cowie> ok
[03:12] <din> marco_MA, iwconfig
[03:12] <din> marco_MA, and ifconfig
[03:12] <rob_cowie> if i 'locate apache2' in the console, it does find a directory that seems to contain it
[03:13] <rob_cowie> Am i mistaken?
[03:13] <din> example: iwconfig eth1 essid (wlan name here) enc (wep key here if there is one)
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob_cowie: if you can connect to "localhost" in your browser, its installed.
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> otherwise no
[03:13] <marco_MA> I need an easy tool like the tool that you can use in the installation for setup the net.. becasue I need to teach hot to to other people
[03:13] <rob_cowie> ok
[03:14] <rob_cowie> if it isn't installed, how can I install it on a machine with no net connection?
[03:14] <RQ> marco_MA, i think it's in the settings menu
[03:14] <RQ> (or whatever the name)
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> rob_cowie: it may be on the cd, but i dotn know
[03:14] <RQ> should be relatively easy
[03:15] <rob_cowie> i think it is - how do I configure apt-get to use the cd instead of a net repository?
[03:15] <rob_cowie> i have kubuntu
[03:15] <rob_cowie> so synaptic is not installed
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have a thing called kynaptic... dont know how it works though
[03:15] <rob_cowie> kynaptic doesn't appear to have the capability to use other repositories
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> if the cds int the drive, a standard "apt-get install apache2" should do it
[03:15] <rob_cowie> there is no option to add new package collections
[03:15] <RQ> rob_cowie, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually
[03:16] <marco_MA> hot to know wlan name ?
[03:16] <nalioth> rob_cowie: use "apt-cdrom" to add cdroms
[03:16] <Taosy> Any idea what might be my problem: Yesterday I tried to install ubuntu with the 5.04 install cd. It booted from the cd and let me chose the language etc but after configuring network it just halted in process which said scanning discs at around 40%. And now when I tried to install it again can't get past the "detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives" screen...
[03:16] <sJaM> [14:50]  * Cannot join #ubuntu (Channel is invite only).
[03:16] <rob_cowie> cheers
[03:16] <rob_cowie> i'll try now
[03:16] <nalioth> Taosy: check md5 sums
[03:17] <iiears_> Taosy - md5sum your disk. - likely something a fingerprint or a corrupt D/L
[03:17] <ateves> hi! is there a way to resize the startmenu button so that it is not 128x128 but 256x128?
[03:17] <iiears_> md5sum yourfile.iso should do it
[03:18] <iiears_> there is a free and very good windows app "filealyzer" md5summer is nice to
[03:19] <marco_MA> thanks I use Amministrator tool ! all work raight
[03:19] <reka> iiears_: what happened to your other ear?
[03:19] <superbenk> hello
[03:19] <iiears_> lol - an "ear" is a plaing card bent at the corner for cheating.
[03:20] <rob_cowie> cheers fellas, apache2 now working
[03:20] <iiears_> Hi
[03:20] <nalioth> iiears_: you are missing something, people want to know
[03:21] <superbenk> I'm trying to install albumshaper package into ubuntu hoary (fresh install), but I don't see it in the package lists (apt-cache search)... when I try to download it directly from a repo online and install it with dpkg -i, I get dependency issues with libc6 (requires 2.3.4 but I have 2.3.2)
[03:21] <rob_cowie> i think the apt-cdrom cammand should be mentioned in the wiki - ne1 think thats a bad idea?
[03:21] <iiears_> Ubuntu - has made me lose all 10 of my windows install disks for this machine. - grateful.
[03:21] <superbenk> what am I missing to get things up to date so I can install this?
[03:21] <sango> how to save a playlist in beep media player?
[03:21] <superbenk> I've done the apt-get update/dist-upgrade already
[03:22] <theD3viL> superbenk ubuntu is buggy and slow !
[03:22] <reka> sango: enable the playlist and then click on the lower left button.
[03:22] <reka> *lower right
[03:22] <sango> reka, that doesn't work.
[03:22] <marco_MA> sometimes the sistem freeze ... what can be a cause ?
[03:23] <nalioth> are there any ubuntu rsync enabled mirrors?
[03:23] <theD3viL> marco_MA hardware ?
[03:23] <ircrob> theD3vil: KDE is faster
[03:23] <marco_MA> for sample ? do you think ram problem ?
[03:23] <theD3viL> ircrob i know i was using kubuntu but its slow
[03:24] <sango> reka, does playlist name need to hava specific postfix?
[03:24] <reka> sango: weird...i can't save one either.
[03:24] <theD3viL> marco_MA temprature ?
[03:24] <reka> sango: not afaik
[03:25] <qt2> ircrob, kde is slower than gnome. :(
[03:25] <ircrob> theD3vil: removed xproxy
[03:25] <J_P> can I use kernel-package for compile kernel as in debian ?
[03:25] <Taosy> iiears, nalioth there weren't any differencies in the md5sums
[03:26] <sango> reka, try to  add ".m3u" to your playlist name.
[03:26] <marco_MA> I doesnt know if is like I think.. but when  change kernel and I use an other.. no freeze.. But I can see in my LAPTOP how is the battery
[03:26] <ircrob> qt2: on my amd64 its not :-)
[03:27] <Kyral> hmmm, Python is using up 746 MB of VM...is this NORMAL?
[03:27] <theD3viL> ircrob what ?
[03:27] <qt2> ircrob, lol.
[03:27] <sJaM> no that isn't kyncani
[03:27] <sJaM> sorry
[03:27] <iiears_> Taosy - Did you say the progress bar stopped as it was scrolling? - or was it later as ubuntu set up security abnd backport repositories?
[03:27] <sJaM> Kyral,