[09:19] <daxroc> Morning all
[10:33] <tdr112> airurando: how many cd's did we get
[10:47] <airurando> <tdr112: 250 Desktop, 50 Server and 50 Kubuntu
[10:47] <airurando> if my calculations are correct.
[10:47] <airurando> :)
[10:48] <tdr112> good stuff , we need to get them to the colleges asap before they go home for the summer
[10:59] <airurando> I'm sending emails this morning.
[10:59] <airurando> tdr112: can I send you a spreadsheet with the contact details I have already?
[10:59] <airurando> see If you can think of more.
[11:13] <airurando> tdr112: How many for TOG?
[11:18] <daxroc> How do you request?
[11:44] <airurando> daxroc. I've DMed you.
[12:35] <tdr112> airurando: lets say 30 and any that are left over
[12:45] <tdr112> airurando: did the colleges get back to you when emailed them a while ago
[12:49] <airurando> tdr112: redbrick?
[12:49] <airurando> if so, no they didn't.
[12:51] <airurando> tdr112: could you provide me with the correct address again just in case.
[12:52] <airurando> could you also provide me with an alternative address.
[12:52]  * airurando flees to collect the kids
[13:01] <tdr112> airurando: email sent , if you wanted to save on postage i guess you could drop them upto dublin and i could hand them into rebrick and tcd again
[15:14] <czajkowski> tdr112: you have mail re launchpad people in dublin
[15:16] <tdr112> yep i have replied and stopped cc you on the mail , thanks for putting us in contact
[15:17] <czajkowski> no bother
[15:17] <czajkowski> mat rocks
[15:17] <tdr112> airurando: is mickitoole.com your site
[15:17] <tdr112> lets how we can have a meet up while they are here
[15:18] <tdr112> mickotoole.com i should say
[16:00] <airurando> tdr112: afraid not.
[16:01] <tdr112> good as its not the best
[16:01] <airurando> haven't gotten to that stage yet
[16:01] <airurando> glad I didn't disappoint you
[16:01] <airurando> tdr112: would you be in TOG on Monday evening?
[16:01] <tdr112> twitter is as far as you go
[16:02] <airurando> I do have a domain but no site as of yet
[16:02] <tdr112> n
[16:02] <airurando> tuesday?
[16:02] <tdr112> nope i will be in tomorrow and then not for a week until after my exams
[16:02] <airurando> fair enough
[16:03] <airurando> can't make dublin tomorrow
[16:03] <airurando> will just post so as time is so short
[16:03] <airurando> tdr112: who in trinity should I contact?
[16:03] <airurando> they are not on my list.
[16:04] <tdr112> i went onto there irc and asked last time , i can do the same if you like ?
[16:04] <airurando> please do. thanks
[16:05] <airurando> and if you have the redbrick post address I could just send 20 to keep the ball rolling.


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[07:14] <xu-help88w> my laptop has an intel cpu, but i can only find an amd download for xubuntu. will this work or is there another one hidden somewhere?
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[11:17] <Drone> In accordance with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001923.html we are moving to Libera Chat and would love to see you there!  I mean, it is ok, but every 20 minutes...
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[11:41] <kryten> gnrp: Given how quickly the average new user leaves again, this might actually be too long of an interval though - and if you are idling here.. well, it's intended to make you not do that but move to the new network too..
[11:46] <gnrp> kryten: I moved to the new network, but maybe makes sense to stay here as well?
[11:46] <gnrp> !libera
[11:47] <gnrp> and also have a message in the bot to give tha tanswer
[11:48] <kryten> No, not really, because there isn't supposed to by any support request handling here anymore - and I'm only staying here for a while still myself to help people move over.
[11:52] <kryten> Of course you are free to do the same, but then you probably want to ignore or filter the message in your client indeed.. >_<
[11:54] <gnrp> kryten: That's what I mean. Yeah, I could just ignore it, but I prefer not ot ignore things
[11:55] <gnrp> anyway, it's not really an issue worth discussing^^
[11:57] <kryten> WeeChat got a nice feature to filter messages but make them toggleable rather than dropping them completely, which is what I'm using for this. :)
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[11:59] <gnrp> kryten: Ah, good to know, thanks^^
[11:59] <gnrp> I feel like I am using 5% of what weechat is capable of actually
[12:00] <kryten> Oh, you are actually using it yourself too.. >_>
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[21:26] <ralinux> Hi guys my keyboard and touchpad freezes randomly, the graphic k eeps working, clock, applets(battery..), what could be the problem?
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[00:49] <LinDol> hi all
[00:49] <LinDol> good morning :)
[05:46] <austin4123> Hi! I would appreciate if you guys could help me out. Here is the problem I'm facing:
[05:46] <austin4123> So I am trying to get the Vino VNC Server to startup on boot, meaning I don't have to login to have the VNC Server start. I am on Ubuntu GNOME 15.04, and I have already added "/usr/lib/vino/vino-server" to 'Startup Applications'.
[05:46] <austin4123> However, the VNC Server still won't start as soon as I boot up. I have to login in order for the VNC Server to start. What should I do?
[06:00] <darkxst> austin4123, "startup applications" are user only
[06:00] <darkxst> you will want a systemd unit if your on 15.04
[06:00] <darkxst> or an upstart session prior versions to that
[06:04] <darkxst> austin4123, you can also try set org.gnome.desktop.remote-access enabled in dconf-editor
[07:51] <austin4123> darkxst it is enabled already in dconf
[07:52] <austin4123> darkxst what do you mean by systemd unit? How do I configure it so that Vino can start up automatically?
[08:28] <darkxst> austin4123, I don't know if vino ships with one, but if it does its just a case of doing something `systemctl enable vino`
[08:28] <darkxst> if not you will need to create one
[08:28] <austin4123> darkxst I have searched through the systemd folder, and there is none for vino
[08:29] <darkxst> http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
[08:30] <austin4123> darkxst I'm really noob, and I have almost no idea what that article is talking about. Do you know if there are any existings one that have existed?
[08:31] <austin4123> I have been googling for a couple hours, but still can't find a solution
[08:31] <darkxst> austin4123, this would be close to what you want http://www.itzgeek.com/how-tos/linux/centos-how-tos/configure-vnc-server-on-centos-7-rhel-7.html
[08:31] <darkxst> see the bit half way done where they create a .service file
[08:32] <darkxst> I think you could just swap vncserver with vino-server
[08:34] <austin4123> Could you guide me on how I can do it? I have almost no idea what it means...
[08:35] <darkxst> austin4123, or try nx nomachine, it uses virtualGL and should actually work better with gnome-shell
[08:36] <darkxst> https://www.nomachine.com/
[08:37] <austin4123> darkxst The reason I went with Vino is because it is already installed by default, and because of how I planned my server out, I need to remain with Vino...
[08:38] <darkxst> austin4123, that is way faster than VNC though, especially over DSL type lines with crappy upload speeds
[08:39] <austin4123> darkxst, I know there are a ton of VNC servers out there and I really don't like Vino too, but again I'm kinda stuck on Vino...
[08:39] <darkxst> nomachine is not VNC server
[08:41] <austin4123> darkxst I haven't really went into detail on what it exactly does, but I need to use Vino for remote desktop access..
[08:43] <darkxst> then go and make a systemd unit file, as per my other link
[08:44] <austin4123> I came here because I don't know how to make a systemd unit file
[08:45] <darkxst> austin4123, I am not going to do it for you, read the page I linked, it has an example unit file
[08:45] <darkxst> and you should just need to replace vncserver with vino-server
[08:46] <austin4123> darkxst what does "@:5.service" in "vncserver@:5.service" mean?
[08:50] <darkxst> at a guess its telling to use display :5
[08:51] <austin4123> when i ran the command "cp<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/etc/systemd/system/vino-server@:5.service", it returned:
[08:52] <austin4123> cp: cannot stat<EMAIL_ADDRESS>No such file or directory
[08:53] <darkxst> you may need to grab the file from centos packages!
[08:53] <austin4123> darkxst So first of all I need to find out where the vinoe-server.service file is right?
[08:53] <austin4123> huh?
[08:55] <darkxst> perhaps just cut+paste text from page, it seens complete enough
[08:56] <darkxst> i gtg, you nay have better luck in #ubuntu or so, this is nothing specific to Ubuntu GNOME
[08:56] <austin4123> ok. tried there, no response
[08:58] <darkxst> ubuntuforums then perhaps
[09:00] <austin4123> tried there too.
[09:00] <darkxst> austin4123, sorry but I do not have time to provide individual user support
[09:01] <austin4123> alright
[09:01] <darkxst> I barely have time to run Ubuntu GNOME atm
[09:01] <darkxst> s/run/lead/
[09:13] <austin4123> I just tried it, but it didn't work. I saved the file as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(without quotes). Did I did it correctly or should it be saved as other names?
[09:32] <darkxst> austin4123, that name should be fine
[09:33] <darkxst> but you need to enable the service with systemctl also
[09:38] <austin4123> I got the error "Failed to start<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Unit name<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not valid."
[09:39] <austin4123> , when I typed "systemctl start<EMAIL_ADDRESS>into the terminal
[09:41] <darkxst> @ maybe globbed, try \@ or just remove ti from filename
[09:41] <meetingology> darkxst: Error: "maybe" is not a valid command.
[09:44] <austin4123> darkxst Error: "Failed to start vino-server.service: Unit vino-server.service failed to load: Invalid argument. See system logs and 'systemctl status vino-server.service' for details."
[09:46] <austin4123> Running systemctl status vino-server.service gives me:
[09:47] <austin4123> http://i.imgur.com/loKHrPe.png
[09:49] <darkxst> you probably messed up the execstart.execstop lines somewhoe
[09:50] <darkxst> somehow
[09:54] <austin4123> http://i.imgur.com/A3GUTq0.png
[09:55] <austin4123> I copied and pasted the code, replaced "vncserver" with "vino-server", replace <USER> with "b", my username
[09:55] <darkxst> austin4123, the "quotes" have gone funny
[09:55] <austin4123> lol
[09:56] <darkxst> fix those and it will probably work better!
[10:03] <austin4123> almost a same error: http://i.imgur.com/F8Fjc5d.png
[10:03] <austin4123> I've rebooted the system
[10:03] <austin4123> could it be because vino-server is not in /usr/bin?
[10:06] <darkxst> you need to use the correct path
[10:06] <darkxst> /usr/lib/vino/vino-server
[10:10] <austin4123> Changed the paths, got the same error: http://i.imgur.com/loKHrPe.png
[10:11] <darkxst> austin4123, the error is probably because your quotes are messed up
[10:12] <austin4123> darkxst http://i.imgur.com/sRPKrsT.png
[10:13] <austin4123> btw when i tried to save the file, i got this: "(gedit:1980): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
[10:14] <darkxst> austin4123, execstop opens with " but closes with '
[10:21] <darkxst> austin4123, also [Install] should probably be on a new line
[10:23] <darkxst> austin4123, also possibly might need to be using backticks `, since its passing to the shell
[10:24] <austin4123> so use ` for both opening and closing?
[10:27] <darkxst> austin4123, maybe, though probably the most important bit is that open and closing match
[10:28] <darkxst> "some string' is never going to work ever
[10:29] <austin4123> darkxst alright so i tried copying and pasting the quotes directly. this is the current code: http://i.imgur.com/RmtJEvK.png
[10:29] <austin4123> it gives me this error: "(gedit:2139): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files" when i tried to save it
[10:30] <darkxst> austin4123, you do not want wordproccesor friendly quotes in a script
[10:30] <darkxst> I would try ' for exec start/stop and if that dont work then `
[10:30] <austin4123> darkxst ok.
[10:31] <darkxst> bash probably doesnt even understand unicode quotes
[10:31] <darkxst> dash definately wont
[10:34] <austin4123> darkxst just tried ' for both exec start and exec stop and it didnt work: http://i.imgur.com/n5nidql.png
[10:34] <austin4123> trying ` now
[10:35] <austin4123> darkxst using backticks: http://i.imgur.com/G2aO5Ec.png gave me this error: "(gedit:2335): Gtk-WARNING **: Calling Inhibit failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files"
[10:36] <austin4123> when i tried to save it
[10:37] <austin4123> the current filename is "vino-server.service"
[10:40]  * darkxst goes, must eat
[21:52] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Can we sync g-o-a or does it switching to webkit2gtk break stuff?
[23:18] <darkxst> Noskcaj, webkit switch is probably ok, but not sure if the yahoo removal will affect g-c-c


[01:13] <stefg> ah.... thx LjL . that was quick
[01:25] <ikonia> service with a smile
[01:59] <Seeker`> 'gutsy is still beta software and is not officially supported yet'?
[02:37] <Madpilot> hi all
[02:37] <Madpilot> greetings from Gutsy :)
[03:47] <nalioth> anybody know anything about NFS ?
[03:47] <nalioth> it's my bi-annual attempt to get it working
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> I've usually shared files by just setting up apache instances on each machine.... :P
[04:03] <jdong> nalioth: what, did you get a !nfs | nalioth ?
[04:03] <nalioth> jdong: didn't you see?
[04:04] <jdong> no, wasn't paying attention... *reads scrollback*
[04:04] <nalioth> of course i did.
[04:04] <jdong> LOL you did
[04:06] <jdong> Samba IMO is much more braindead-simple to set up and works very will with almost every OS out there
[04:06] <nalioth> jdong: that's why you limit it to internal IPs
[04:07] <jdong> nalioth: aye, but my internal IP is a fairly large network where I have no reason to trust whether or not aynone's IP spoofing or eavesdropping via a switch sniffing software
[04:50] <nalioth> how do you browse smb shares in a terminal?
[04:56] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  smbclient -L?
[04:57] <maxamillion> nalioth: few ways ... you can use fusesmb and then just cd to it or you can use smbclient
[04:57] <maxamillion> there are others but i am not familiar with them
[05:03] <jdong> nalioth: if you have GNOME, you can also use gnomevfs-ls smb://server/share
[05:03] <jdong> nalioth: a better permanent solution is just to use mount.smbfs to mount the Samba share somewhere
[05:04] <nalioth> thanks all
[05:05] <jdong> anyone here use Mutt with maildirs?
[05:06] <jdong> hmm nvm, what I'm trying to do seems unsupported
[06:38] <nalioth> tgm4883_laptop: so #ubuntu-mythtv-dev won't work?
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> that would also be great
[06:38] <nalioth> go for it
[06:40] <nalioth> tgm4883_laptop: please register it in accordance with #ubuntu guidelines
[06:41] <nalioth> tgm4883_laptop: /msg chanserv help register
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> i did /msg chanserv help per the webpage, but nothing happened
[06:42] <tonyyarusso> check your server window
[06:42] <nalioth> your client may be directing it weirdly
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> xchat
[06:42] <nalioth> yep, xchat is good at that
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> yea im not getting it anywhere.  Would it just come though as a pm?
[06:43] <nalioth> yes
[06:43] <nalioth> but xchat puts chan/nickserv msgs just anywhere
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> :(, usually i get pm's under the Ubuntu Servers.  i'm not getting it anywhere though
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, already identified too
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> seems it perfers /msg ChanServ
[06:54] <ubotu> nickrud called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:54] <ubotu> kotau called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:55] <ubotu> heguru called the ops in #ubuntu
[06:55] <nalioth> all those bans
[06:55] <nalioth> for 1st time offenders, too
[07:38] <ubotu> In ubotu, ardchoille said: This is my bold text.
[08:00] <Jucato> jdong: ping. ubuntuforums question :)
[08:00] <jdong> sure
[08:01] <Jucato> is there a place (maybe a channel) where I can ask about how/what to do as a moderator? :)
[08:02] <Jucato> (I know this is not the place.. maybe there's some other place)
[08:02] <jdong> we dont' have a particular channel for that
[08:02] <jdong> I don't mind where it's discussed
[08:03] <Jucato> I see. ok. might ask in the future... now a mod in our loco sub-forum :)
[08:03] <jdong> Jucato: awesome -- there should be some info in the forum guidelines that is directed towards moderators
[08:04] <Jucato> yep. I was thinking more of how/when to do things. technical stuff mostly... but anyway no questions for now :)
[08:06] <jdong> yeah, poke whenever you have a question :)
[08:06] <Jucato> thanks :)
[08:44] <Mez> Jucato, just dotn ask me
[09:26] <Madpilot> hey all.
[09:26] <tonyyarusso> hey
[09:28] <Madpilot> messing around w/ gutsy beta via livecd. is interesting. compiz frustrates me.
[09:33] <jussi01> Madpilot: doesnt it frustrate everyone?
[09:33] <Madpilot> quite possibly
[09:34] <Madpilot> One point in Gutsy's favour - all this crapiz stuff works on my ATI 9600XT w/o any Restricted Driver stuff
[09:37] <jussi01> oooh, thats nice :)
[09:38] <Madpilot> evidently the Free ATI drivers have caught up to my tech level :)
[09:39] <jussi01> hehe, I have the same thing with my radeon 9250... although the drivers are currently borked...
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I bought a couple of Drupal books today
[09:43] <Madpilot> cool. haven't heard back from Canonical about the Theme Editor or any of the other questions I had, but feel free to poke around in the guts of ubuntu.ca
[09:45] <Madpilot> Least Favourite Crapiz "Feature": No way to switch desktops w/ mousewheel. I use that all the time in Metacity...
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> I wish you had ssh and/or ftp access so you could install modules and the like yourself.
[09:45] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso: that was one of the things I asked about in the email I sent
[09:46] <tonyyarusso> cool
[09:48] <Madpilot> also asked about Planet
[10:08] <Madpilot> hey Amaranth - enjoying the media attention?
[10:09] <tonyyarusso> media attention?
[10:10] <Amaranth> MOTU interview
[10:10] <Madpilot> on p.u.c - scroll down to the Behind MOTU post
[10:10] <Amaranth> And if it's anything less than Forbes I'm not impressed ;)
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> ah, right
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> Saw that
[10:11] <Madpilot> Meh. The Economist > Forbes ;)
[10:11] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: does System76's offer of LoCo even flyers apply to Canada?
[10:12] <Madpilot> No idea, haven't looked into it.
[10:13] <Madpilot> cool
[10:14] <Madpilot> we haven't even talked about a release party locally; a couple of the other known Ubuntu users have left town recently and the rest of us are busy w/ non-Ubuntu things - school, mostly
[10:14] <tonyyarusso> I can't decide whether I'm excited because we're having a release party or terrified because I'm in charge and don't know what I'm doing ;)
[10:15] <Madpilot> buy beer. and chips. provide wireless. done.
[10:15] <Tm_T> Madpilot: doesnt work here =)
[10:15] <tonyyarusso> Skipping the beer for the main portion.  nnonix is looking into the possibility of going out afterwards though.
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> I should ask what the internet setup is there...forgot to mention it.
[10:16] <Madpilot> skipping the beer? at a geek party? terrible!
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> We are however going to have a digital projector and a few systems with Gutsy installed, and check it out on the big screen.
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Too many underage people we don't want feeling left out.
[10:16] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Plus, our meeting location is on the university campus.
[10:17] <tonyyarusso> So, part a is dry, possible part b otherwise.
[10:17] <Tm_T> always fun to start day with kickban
[10:17] <Madpilot> ah, right, I forgot you're in the Land Of Insanely Old Drinking Ages
[10:17] <Tm_T> Madpilot: sorry, I fail to understand your meaning
[10:17] <tonyyarusso> 21 vs 18 Tm_T
[10:17] <Tm_T> yes?
[10:18] <Madpilot> having 21 be the legal age for drinking, vs 19
[10:18] <Tm_T> so?
[10:18] <Madpilot> or 18 in some provinces
[10:18] <Tm_T> almost like you cant have fun without alcohol
[10:18] <Madpilot> well, it just means that a university crowd is far more likely to be underage
[10:19] <Tm_T> I'd rather keep alcohol out from Ubuntuland, afterparties are different ofcourse
[10:19] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, that's pretty much what we're going for Tm_T - a semi-unofficial afterpart for that; keep it clean for the normal stuff.
[10:20] <Madpilot> ya, there's also the risk of someone combining drink & sudo - that way like wrecked systems :)
[10:20] <Madpilot> s/like/lies
[10:20] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: yup
[10:20] <tonyyarusso> Plus, I _really_ don't want to risk the off chance of anyone getting out of hand and having to pay the multiple-hundreds-of-dollars bill for extra cleanup charges on the university location....
[10:24] <Tm_T> mooh mooh
[10:27] <tonyyarusso> hokay, 3:30 AM?  bedtime.
[10:31] <Madpilot> gah, 0130 here - got to be up by 0700. Bleh.
[10:32] <Madpilot> night all
[10:34] <Tm_T> 1134
[10:35] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe I should start going to uni, see ya kids ->
[12:57] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, kyja said: !!!! Compize is rawkin for me now !!
[03:29] <ubotu> WaltzingAlong called the ops in #ubuntu
[03:34] <stdin> now Woet is asking in -offtopic
[03:34] <gnomefreak> i see that
[03:34] <Hobbsee> need ops there too?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> oh, you have ops there
[03:34] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: not yet
[03:35] <gnomefreak> im trying to
[03:36] <Hobbsee> mmm...i should upload nspluginviewer
[03:36] <Hobbsee> it's still marked as orange in my inbox
[03:36] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: if you want iceape is in revu as well
[03:36] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: just leave them.  that's the most effective way
[03:36] <Hobbsee> bah, revu.
[03:36] <gnomefreak> sincee asac decided to ignore me the last 3 weeks
[03:37] <Pici> Seveas: Aww.. :(
[03:37] <Hobbsee> all i do for revu is resync the keyring, and unscrew whatever idiot user has decided to do, who clearly *isnt* following any instructions.
[03:38] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: sounds like fun :)
[03:38] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i agree sort of
[03:38] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah.  where do they get the pea-brained idea to upload a _i386.changes?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> that's mentioned *nowhere* in any ubuntu documentation
[03:38] <Hobbsee> and still they do it
[03:38] <gnomefreak> i hope no tme
[03:38] <gnomefreak> not me
[03:39] <Hobbsee> and dont bother about ubuntu version numbers, or ubuntu targets
[03:39] <Hobbsee> likely no time - he's still trying to fix the mangler, remember
[03:39] <gnomefreak> because they assuming its right when dput <tab> is used
[03:42] <Hobbsee> means they're building binaries, not sources.
[03:42] <Seveas> Hobbsee, don't assume they know the difference :p
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Seveas: yeah, well.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> if the version doesnt have 'ubuntu' somewhere in it, it must be wrong.
[03:47] <Woet> Im complaining about Seveas
[03:47] <Seveas> like we haven't seen that before
[03:47] <Hobbsee> Woet: okay, why?
[03:47] <Woet> Because he bans without any reason or warning.
[03:47] <Seveas> https://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/bans.cgi?query=Woet&kicks=on&oldbans=on&bans=on&oldmutes=on&mutes=on
[03:48] <Seveas> heh, lying, haven't seen that before either
[03:48] <Woet> ?
[03:48] <jrib> Woet: I was typing out your ban as well.  I had given you more than enough warnings
[03:48] <Woet> You go talk bullshit then you say "NO discussion anymore"
[03:48] <Woet> because you cant proof your point
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Seveas: can it.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> gah.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> @btlogin
[03:51] <Pici> hmm.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Woet: how many users are in #ubuntu?
[03:52] <Woet> no idea?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> take a guess
[03:52] <Woet> like 1200?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nearest hundred will do
[03:52] <Hobbsee> correct
[03:52] <Hobbsee> and how many of those do you think are asking questions?
[03:52] <Woet> like 50?
[03:53] <Woet> 1135 users btw
[03:54] <Hobbsee> so, how do you think the channel would be if they repeated their questions each minute?
[03:54] <Woet> If they repeated when you need to scroll to see the message, it should be fine.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> if 50 people repeated every minute, everything that they were asking, the channel would be unusable.
[03:55] <Woet> and the good thing is, only i am repeating
[03:55] <TheSheep> considering the standard terminal has 25 lines, they would have to reapeat all the time ;)
[03:55] <Woet> So thats ok.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Woet: yes, but that got you banned.  and wont be getting you banned any time soon.
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Woet: your ability to be a moron doesnt make everything OK.
[03:55] <Woet> So, maybe they need to warn?
[03:55] <Seveas> Woet, and why do you think you're so special you're allowed to repeat?
[03:56] <Seveas> Woet, you got quite a few warnings, you just got more obnoxious after each
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Woet: warn?  whatever for?  most people can actually look and read and apply *thought*.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Seveas: again, can it.
[03:56] <Seveas> Hobbsee, can it yourself, I'm explaining why I banned
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Seveas: fair enough
[03:56] <Woet> Well, if you kick for legit reasons i would behave.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Woet: and repeating is not a legit reason?
[03:57] <Woet> That wasnt the only kick.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i saw all of them.  htey were all for repeating.
[03:57] <Woet> let me show you my logs then.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Woet: give me a break.  you clearly dont know how to behave in a busy irc channel, so you wont be back there any time soon
[03:57] <Hobbsee> oh, go ahead.  i'll compare them to the bantracker logs
[03:58] <Woet> * You have left channel #ubuntu (requested by Seveas: "*no* further discussion means *no* further discussion")
[03:58] <Woet> that isnt about repeating.
[03:58] <Seveas> true, that's for staying obnoxious after ops told you the rules
[03:58] <Woet> He didnt tell me the rules, he asked me something.
 Woet: repeating your question does not magically make people know the answer. People do not know the answer. No more discussion on this please
[03:59] <Woet> So, you think your smart enough on that point that i cant reply to it?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> and what did he ask?
[04:00] <Woet> Its about WHY he asked it.. and if its fair to ask that kind of question.
[04:00] <Woet> If someone joins after my question who knows the answer, he doesnt know i asked it.
[04:00] <Woet> And when i repeat it, he will.
[04:00] <Hobbsee> yes, but the world doesnt revolve around you.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> and, if everyone used the same logic, the channel would be unusable.
[04:01] <Woet> im not the only one repeating.
[04:02] <Woet> and the channel is still usable
[04:02] <Seveas> and you're not the only one being kicked for it
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Woet: their moron-ness does not excuse yours.  they got kicked, just as you did.
[04:02] <Woet> I got banned, they got kicked.
[04:02] <Woet> And the channel was fine when i repeated myself, still usable, so i see no reason to kick/ban me.
[04:02] <Seveas> you continued, they stopped
[04:03] <Pici> Usually people get that they shouldn't be doing that after they get kicked.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> probably because of the sheer number of times you repeated.  how do you know they didnt get banned, anyway?
[04:03] <Woet> And the channel was fine when i repeated myself, still usable, so i see no reason to kick/ban me.
[04:03] <Woet> .
[04:03] <Hobbsee> Woet: you're deluded.  and all you're doing now is showing your unfitness for the channel, so therefore increasing the lenght of your ban.
[04:04] <Woet> who is the owner of #ubuntu?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hte irc council
[04:04] <Woet> and where can i find him?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> and they've just told you.
[04:04] <Woet> where is he?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> here, and Seveas.
[04:05] <Woet> too bad the owner is an abusing admin then
[04:05] <stdin> too bad some people simply can not obey the rules too
[04:05] <Hobbsee> that's why there are others, and two other people have already weighed in on this ban, and told you it was warranted.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> so, too bad that you refuse to follow the rules.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> and be a sane human being.
[04:06] <Woet> i never saw any rules?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> they were in the topic.
[04:06] <stdin> and you were told about the no repeating rule
[04:06] <Woet> lets see.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> dude.  you've been through this.  the answer was still no
[04:07] <Woet> * Topic for #ubuntu is: Official Ubuntu Support Channel | Please be patient and read the FAQ. | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Gutsy is NOT supported, beta testers can join
[04:07] <Woet> and where are the rules?
[04:07] <jrib> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[04:07] <Hobbsee> first and third links.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> you lose.
[04:07] <Woet> a FAQ isnt rules
[04:07] <Hobbsee> the other is
[04:07] <Woet> IRC Info isnt either.
[04:07] <jrib> read it
[04:07] <Hobbsee> that just shows your inability to read then
[04:07] <stdin> if you read them you will find them
[04:08] <Woet> If you give more clear information about each link, users will click them.
[04:08] <Woet> IRC Info seems like a help-page about IRC to me.
[04:08] <jrib> and I told you the rule explicitly
[04:08] <Hobbsee> Woet: consult them while you're banned.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> then come back, and see if you're suitable for irc.
[04:09] <Woet> well, i guess i am.
[04:09] <Woet> since this isnt the only network im online at.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> maybe they have different rules
[04:10] <Woet> well, your talking about being suitable for irc in general
[04:10] <Woet> not for this server or channel.
[04:10] <stdin> that's all well and good, but #ubuntu has certain rules and you refuse to follow them. maybe someone on those other network can help you
[04:10] <Hobbsee> but most would have rules telling you not to be a moron.
[04:10] <Hobbsee> btw, what's your other client/
[04:10] <Woet> other client.. as in?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> you're obviously using another one, to get the users of teh channel, etc.
[04:11] <Woet> err
[04:11] <Woet> ./list #ubuntu
[04:11] <Woet> ?
[04:11] <penguincentral> no dot
[04:11] <Woet> /list #ubuntu
[04:11] <Hobbsee> ah, right.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> either way, the answer is still no.
[04:12] <Woet> you could start with saying users there are rules before kicking
[04:12] <Woet> and making clear your an op.
[04:12] <Woet> if i see some unnamed guy in a chan ask me to shut up.. i dont take it serious
[04:12] <Woet> if a op does, i do take it serious
[04:13] <Hobbsee> does this answer your question?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> refer to freenode policy for staying op'd
[04:13] <Woet> well, do like
[04:13] <Woet> Im an op, and im asking you to stop repeating
[04:13] <Woet> .
[04:13] <Hobbsee> if you see some person telling you to behave, you should always obey it, if it's right
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ye gods.
[04:14] <TheSheep> awww, so cute :3
[04:14] <Hobbsee> shoulda kickbanned him earlier.  oh well
[04:15] <Hobbsee> sad, that people require force to learn how to behave.
[04:15] <Seveas> Hobbsee:
 you'll regret that
 I'm banned for discussing OSS on a freenode channel....you sure you wanna do that?
[04:15] <Seveas> that's another candidate
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh yay.
[04:16] <Pici> He spelled source wrong.
[04:16] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: i found the code of conduct, but it was buried very deeply
[04:16] <jrib> heh
[04:16] <Hobbsee> !coc | penguincentral
[04:16] <ubotu> penguincentral: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:16] <Hobbsee> oh, that's interestin
[04:16] <Hobbsee> g
[04:16] <Pici> Is Common Questions even relevant/updated anymore?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> the code of conduct isnt actually listed on ircresources
[04:17] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: yeah, that's what i found
[04:17] <jrib> gets linked to from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:17] <Seveas> sigh
[04:17] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: added.
[04:18] <Seveas> aoirthoir keeps vandalizing IrcGuidelines
[04:18] <Hobbsee> what, again?
[04:18] <Pici> Again?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> cant you lock the page?
[04:18] <penguincentral> ok
[04:18] <Seveas> 3rd time already
[04:18] <Hobbsee> ask matt east to lock the page, etc.
[04:18] <gnomefreak> can they do that?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> of course
[04:19] <gnomefreak> can he lock it for everyone except the council?
[04:19] <TheSheep> moin is pretty good at handling vandalizm :)
[04:19] <gnomefreak> or lock is lock for all
[04:20] <TheSheep> gnomefreak: he can put any access control list on it
[04:20] <gnomefreak> sweet
[04:21] <maxamillion> TheSheep has strong moin-fu
[04:21] <maxamillion> Hobbsee: one of the xubuntu ops
[04:21] <gnomefreak> xubuntu op
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:21] <Pici> Its a sheep.
[04:21] <Seveas> Hobbsee, shoarma-to-be
[04:21] <Hobbsee> well, duh :)
[04:21] <Seveas> with garlic sauce
[04:22] <Seveas> I doubt he'll ever learn
[04:22] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: use the locking as a reason to throw the guy off teh wiki.
[04:22] <Seveas> having one this 3 times now
[04:23] <Pici> It should be locked anyway imo.
[04:23] <gnomefreak> cant we just have his account revoked?
[04:23] <gnomefreak> i know a bit extream
[04:23] <gnomefreak> extreme
[04:23] <Pici> We probably can't stop him from registering a new one.
[04:24] <gnomefreak> Pici: LP reserves the tight to accept or decline as they see fit
[04:24] <gnomefreak> s/tight/right
[04:25] <gnomefreak> being vindictive IMHO is a right to decline, now if he did something to help community would be different
[04:26] <Pici> Remind me, do you need an LP account to register for the Wiki?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> Pici: yes
[04:27] <gnomefreak> Seveas: under How to ask for help in the channel (in the guidelines) the link reads "this line is not on the ubuntu site" should this read something else? or was it always that
[04:29] <Seveas> weird
[04:30] <gnomefreak> Pici: iirc wiki uses your LP login info
[04:30] <Pici> gnomefreak: Make sense.
[05:03] <Pici> s/make/makes
[07:14] <ubotu> Pici called the ops in #ubuntu
[07:17] <Pici> sigh. I don't think I've seen anyone paste a strace into #ubuntu before.
[07:18] <Hobbsee> hah
[07:18] <Hobbsee> that's sad
[07:18] <TheSheep> might have been worse: complete core dump ;)
[07:25] <jdong> Pici: I've had someone not realize what "/exec -" means... and was using irssi as a shell...
[07:25] <jdong> Pici: "Oh look, irssi can work as a shell" "err.. yeah... we all see....."
[07:26] <Pici> jdong: yikes.
[07:26] <mc44>  /exec -o cat /dev/urandom
[07:27] <Pici>  /exec -o tail -f ~/irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu.log
[07:27] <Hobbsee> ew
[07:27] <jdong> infinite log recursion!
[07:27] <mc44> haha
[07:31] <superm1> Can someone provide me with a higher level of ops in #mythbuntu-dev so that I can set the topic?
[07:31] <nalioth> superm1: what happened to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev ?
[07:32] <superm1> nalioth, we have that too now?
[07:32] <superm1> we've got #ubuntu-mythtv
[07:32] <superm1> and #mythbuntu redirects to it
[07:32] <superm1> but we just got #mythbuntu-dev today
[07:32] <nalioth> alright.
[07:32] <nalioth> this needs to stop.
[07:32] <superm1> so we can do support and development in different channels
[07:32] <superm1> what does?
[07:32] <nalioth> y'all need to get your mythical selves together
[07:32] <nalioth> a dev came in yesterday and we set him/her up with #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[07:33] <nalioth> right hand - left hand thing?
[07:33] <superm1> well i wasn't CC'ed on such request
[07:33] <nalioth> right.
[07:33] <superm1> let me double check with my people
[07:33] <superm1> sorry for the mistake here.
[07:33] <nalioth> no mistake here, just 'right hand doesn't know what the left hand does'
[07:34] <superm1> yeah, i would have expected something sent to our mailing list regarding filing such requests since i wasn't around
[07:35] <superm1> nalioth, do you know who it was?  i found out this morning that #mythbuntu-dev was formed, but didn't hear of #ubuntu-mythtv-dev at all
[07:58] <Seveas> nalioth, could you kill nealmcb's wikipedia cloak in favor of an ubuntu/member one?
[08:01] <nalioth> ok
[08:18] <nealmcb> Seveas: As I noted before, I want to switch to an ubuntu member cloak, and thanks to you, nalioth just contacted me.  I noticed that he has something that looks like a dual cloak - freenode staff and ubuntu member<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Which made me wonder if I could retain my current wikipedia identification at the same time that I proudly wear an ubuntu cloak.  So he asked me to ask you... If it is a hassle never mind, but
[08:19] <Seveas> nalioth, I though only freenode/pdpc cloaks were available as dual cloaks
[08:19] <ubotu> r00723r0 called the ops in #ubuntu
[08:19] <Daviey> nalioth: ping
[08:19] <nalioth> hi Daviey
[08:20] <Daviey> nalioth: got you in the other channel :)
[08:25] <Daviey> Any ubotu ops avaliable?
[08:25] <nalioth> Daviey: ubotu ops?
[08:25] <Seeker`> Daviey: trying to cause problems?
[08:25] <Daviey> yes sir
[08:25] <superm1> you mean people like Seveas ?
[08:25] <Daviey> I want LP bugs to appear in a different channel
[08:25] <Seveas> which one?
[08:25] <Daviey> currently in #* and want them in #*-dev
[08:26] <Daviey> Seeker`: #ubuntu-mythtv
[08:26] <Daviey> ^ Seveas
[08:26] <Daviey> to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[08:26] <Seveas> Daviey, has the #mythbuntu-dev vs #ubuntu-mythtv-dev issue been cleared?
[08:26] <Daviey> yep
[08:26] <Daviey> #mythbuntu-dev fwd's to #ubuntu-mythtv-dev now
[08:27] <Seveas> @join #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[08:27] <Seveas> @config channel #ubuntu-mythtv plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer
[08:27] <ubotu> True
[08:27] <Seveas> @config channel #ubuntu-mythtv plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer False
[08:27] <ubotu> OK
[08:27] <Seveas> @config channel #ubuntu-mythtv-dev plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True
[08:27] <ubotu> OK
[08:27] <Seveas> done
[08:27] <Daviey> Thanks :)
[08:28] <Seveas> hmm, need to fix the bugreporter as well
[08:29] <Seveas> fixed
[08:29] <superm1> Daviey, we should turn him off as bug reporting in #ubuntu-mythtv, but only report in -dev.  he can still spit out bug numbers though in #ubuntu-mythtv i'd say
[08:30] <superm1> oh that's probably what Seveas just did :)
[08:31] <Daviey> superm1: SOUNDS GOOD
[08:31] <Daviey> damn caps lock
[09:11] <peanutb> hey. who can i talk to to get my ubuntu member cloak?
[09:12] <nalioth> peanutb: got a LP URL ?
[09:12] <peanutb> sure
[09:12] <peanutb> http://launchpad.net/~paul-bartell
[09:15] <nalioth> TA-DAAA
[09:16] <peanutb> thanks
[09:17] <nalioth> you're welcome :)
[09:19] <jpatrick> nalioth: this is about #kubuntu-es, I've contacted the only person who has op status thrice now and they're not responing, is there any way I could get op status there?
[09:21] <jpatrick> I contacted another member of staff and they told me to use memoserv, tried that and msging while he was there, nothing
[09:21] <nalioth> jpatrick: the owner was just here yesterday
[09:21] <jpatrick> nalioth: I tried msging him, he just ignores (or just isn't there)
[09:22] <nalioth> what do you need to do there?
[09:22] <jpatrick> just have a regular user (and admin of kubuntu-es) with op powers
[09:23] <nalioth> jpatrick: you have ops there
[09:25] <jpatrick> did you just add it?
[09:26] <nalioth> nope
[09:26] <jpatrick> odd, didn't see it before
[10:00] <gnomefreak> anyone seen kunix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>before?
[10:02] <jpatrick> I just know it's a spanish user
[10:03] <gnomefreak> anyone tell me what this means
[10:03] <gnomefreak> requested CTCP  PING from gnomefreak:<PHONE_NUMBER>
[10:03] <gnomefreak> almost like a ddc send only messed it up?
[10:03] <mc44> it's a ping...
[10:03] <jpatrick> they were curious to know what program you're using for irc
[10:04] <gnomefreak> pings dont include numbers
[10:04] <mc44> yes, its the timestamp
[10:04] <nalioth> it's just a ping
[10:04] <nalioth> nothign to get worried about
[10:05] <gnomefreak> i didnt think it was but i dont rmemeber numbers (timestamp or not)
[10:36] <desertc> Greetings
[10:37] <nalioth> desertc: why the change from #ubuntu-tn to #ubuntu-tennessee ?
[10:37] <desertc> There was a country-wide mandate to change all state teams from a two letter abbreviation to a spelled-out name
[10:37] <nalioth> there was?
[10:37] <desertc> See: #ubuntu-ky who has the forwarding set up
[10:38] <nalioth> i thought we were using 2 character irc channel suffixes
[10:38] <mc44> what if tunisia wants a loco channel? :)
[10:39] <desertc> I am talking about the USA teams?
[10:39] <nalioth> desertc: as you don't have ops in #ubuntu-tn, we'll get it sorted
[10:40] <desertc> I see there is someone idling in #ubuntu-tn, and they are probably wondering why no one else is interested in the team.
[10:40] <nalioth> so advise them of the name change  :)
[10:40] <mc44> must be a fair few states that conflict with TLDs
[10:40] <desertc> Of course, but an automagical solution would prevent further confusion.
[10:41] <desertc> nalioth, Thank you for your assistance.
[10:58] <jussi01> exit
[10:58] <jussi01> gah, wrong window...
[11:10] <ubotu> bruenig called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:30] <peanutb> whats with +v?
[11:30] <peanutb> oh nevermind
[11:30] <PriceChild> Members of the ubuntu-irc ops team :)
[11:31] <jdong> peanutb: they do it to feel better about themselves
[11:31] <PriceChild> And woo you've got your cloak. (I'm slow)
[11:31] <PriceChild> jdong, I feel BIG
[11:31] <peanutb> yes'
[11:31] <peanutb> YAY I have a cloak
[11:31] <jdong> PriceChild: that's just a feel though :)
[11:31] <jdong> PriceChild: others probably won't feel it ;-)
[11:31] <PriceChild> peanutb, it just gets confusing otherwise... not knowing whether someone is lurking in a good or bad way for example.
[11:32] <peanutb> gtg. bus is leaving
[11:32] <peanutb> and ill loose my wifi in a sec
[11:32] <PriceChild> have fun :)
[11:32] <PriceChild> loooads of lurkers lately..
[11:33] <Pici> hm
[11:33] <PriceChild> Apex, can I help?
[11:33] <Seveas> hmm ues...
[11:33] <Pici> ues?
[11:33] <Seveas> s/u/y/
[11:34] <Seveas> To all who see this as one of the last lines in this channel: The IRC council reserves the right to remove idlers from the channel
[11:34] <PriceChild> *shifts seveas's right hand one key to the left*
[11:35] <ubotu> astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:35] <PriceChild> 8-)
[11:35] <Seveas> haha
[11:35] <mc44> :P
[11:36] <PriceChild> mc44, bad autorejoin! :)
[11:36] <mc44> PriceChild: blame Seveas  ;)
[11:36] <jdong> LOL
[11:36] <PriceChild> Seveas, that was "cheshirecat" who i believe used to have +v in here.... probably wrong
[11:36] <jdong> I'm still alive!
[11:36] <Seveas> ah
[11:36] <jdong> uh oh
[11:36] <Pici> ahh
[11:36] <mc44> jdong: you survived the purge!
[11:36] <jdong> bad statement
[11:36] <mc44> oh, no you didn't :(
[11:36] <jdong> silly brits
[11:37] <PriceChild> gosh darn it!
[11:37] <PriceChild> jolly bad show jdong! what what.
[11:37] <jdong> :)
[11:38] <jdong> Pici: pricey doesn't show his monocle to any random guy.
[11:41] <mc44> the kickings will continue until morale improves
[11:41] <PriceChild> Hmmm what about that Daviey one... always seemed a little shifty to me.
[11:43] <PriceChild> He'll tell us that when he comes back then and we'll feel sorry for him :/
[12:24] <LjL> mc44: oh look, my morale is so low that even kicking you wouldn't do a thing
[12:25] <rob> LjL, you can kick me, I like it.
[12:25] <LjL> well, not that mc44 doesn't
[12:26] <mc44> I do not!
[12:26] <PriceChild> secretly
[12:27] <LjL> PriceChild: uhm, it can't be secret, as he just said it.
[12:27] <LjL> oh wait, you meant to say he secretly *does*?
[12:27] <PriceChild> yes :)
[12:27] <LjL> i thought that was the common knowledge.


[06:41] <RAOF> You know what would be nice?  If building xorg-server on armel didn't take all day.
[11:01] <JamesWStubbs> Hello, is porting Ubuntu to a mobile device (Apple iPhone) considered appropriate in this room?
[11:06] <tjaalton> can't see why it would be
[11:07] <JamesWStubbs> I was advised to ask here about mu problem
[11:07] <JamesWStubbs> What does the x stand for in #ubuntu-x ??
[11:07] <tjaalton> X.org
[11:07] <JamesWStubbs> My query is xorg related
[11:07] <tjaalton> make that X.Org
[11:10] <JamesWStubbs> Basically, I've gotten the screen to display and accept input using fbdev and evtouch, for the sake of screen estate I need to rotate the screen to landscape. If I use the option Option "Rotate" "CW" the display will rotate perfectly fine, but as soon as the screen's touched X11 will close. I've also tried adding Mode "480x320" in a subsection of xorg.conf but then xrandr doesn't show that rotation is possible.
[11:11] <JamesWStubbs> I can't release my images while the screen's portrait, applications are unusable.
[11:17] <JamesWStubbs> Is my query X.Org related? Or should I look elsewhere?
[11:18] <tjaalton> so it crashes. have you tried debugging why?
[11:18] <tjaalton> does fbdev support rotating the screen?
[11:19] <JamesWStubbs> tjaalton: I've tried debugging nothing grabbed my attention, fbdev should support rotation
[11:20] <tjaalton> you could try on #xorg-devel
[11:21] <JamesWStubbs> It isn't a relevant query according to them
[11:22] <JamesWStubbs> I've asked them questions over the course of developing Ubuntu on the iPhone
[11:23] <tjaalton> yeah, it's silly anyway ;)
[11:24] <JamesWStubbs> What's silly the idea behind the port? or the issue with X11?
[11:24] <tjaalton> the port
[11:24] <JamesWStubbs> :) Why do you think that?
[11:25] <tjaalton> i thought it was a capable phone as is
[11:25] <tjaalton> so why brick it :)
[11:25] <JamesWStubbs> The process is very safe, it uses loopback images so the host partition isn't effected
[11:25] <JamesWStubbs> The only issue I've had up to now is that it seems to reset the time and date, I'm working on that.
[11:27] <tjaalton> sounds like evtouch makes the server crash
[11:27] <tjaalton> why not use evdev?
[11:27] <tjaalton> evtouch is unmaintained anyway
[11:27] <JamesWStubbs> I used evdev, worked perfectly in landscape
[11:28] <JamesWStubbs> But it doesn't support right-click
[11:28] <tjaalton> works fine with my mouse
[11:28] <JamesWStubbs> It's a touchscreen
[11:28] <tjaalton> yes?
[11:29] <JamesWStubbs> Right click has to be emulated
[11:29] <JamesWStubbs> Long press for right click
[11:29] <tjaalton> so add support for it in evdev
[11:29] <JamesWStubbs> My co-developer is working on that
[11:29] <JamesWStubbs> While I try to sort evtouch
[11:29] <tjaalton> sounds like you should move on ;)
[11:30] <JamesWStubbs> Until one of us solves the problem with either driver, I shouldn't move on.
[11:31] <JamesWStubbs> There's a patch for right click he's working on compiling.
[11:31] <tjaalton> well, that's my advice anyway
[11:31] <JamesWStubbs> Ok
[15:37] <JamesWStubbs> Hello, im trying to compile evdev from source, I have a patch I need to apply https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=321924&action=diff&context=patch&collapsed=&headers=1&format=raw , I have used apt-get source xserver....evdev
[15:37] <JamesWStubbs> How would I merge the two .diff ?
[15:37] <JamesWStubbs> So they're both applied when I compile?
[19:06] <cnd> RAOF, do you know when the new xorg-server will be uploaded?


[19:43] <MrBIOS> anybody alive?
[19:48] <[[[asimov]]]> Does it work on samsung devices?
[20:14] <[[[asimov]]]> Does it work on samsung devices?


[18:55] <MarkDude> Hello everyone, I wish I could make it to LFNW
[18:55] <MarkDude> I will be in Portland for CLS and OSCON
[18:55] <Salt> BOOOOO
[18:56] <Salt> LFNW is FREEEEE
[18:56] <Salt> actually, is OSCON free if you booth >_>
[18:57] <MarkDude> Well Oregon actually is planning a release party
[18:57] <MarkDude> And to have folks at OSCON
[18:57]  * MarkDude wants to use the local team events thing for their party at the end of the month
[18:57] <MarkDude> WAshingtons
[18:58] <Salt> you know there'll prob be a release party at lfnw >_>
[18:58]  * MarkDude got clearance for this from local team usa folks
[18:58] <Salt> along with other party like activities
[18:58] <MarkDude> that is 3 hours from some folks
[18:58] <MarkDude> is it on the directory?
[18:59] <Salt> no, but it's a gathering of linux folk, the team will have a table, and it's 2 days after the release
[18:59] <Salt> so i figure
[18:59] <MarkDude> fair enough
[19:00]  * MarkDude figures no one would mind using the WA event thing- and pointing out it is in Portland
[19:00] <Salt> yea
[19:01] <MarkDude> So - I will be talking to Oreilly- is WA getting any SWAG from them- books and such?
[19:01] <Salt> unsure, i need to get ahold of peanutb, he was handling that stuff
[19:02] <Salt> while you're chatting, mind letting me know how gslug could get some swag too ;)
[19:17] <MarkDude> Cool
[19:18] <MarkDude> are they willing to do a few reviews of books that are sent to them?
[19:18]  * MarkDude also has a few Metal Ubuntu case badges I cn send your way
[19:20] <Salt> yeah, we used to have the review thing going
[19:20] <Salt> but when dan departed it left with him
[19:25] <MarkDude> Ok- I can put in request with Jon and Marsee
[19:35] <seattlegaucho> I'll be @ OSCON
[19:35] <seattlegaucho> ... for free ;)
[19:36] <Salt> seattlegaucho, how'sthat
[19:37] <seattlegaucho> got a talk accepted
[19:37] <seattlegaucho> will still have to pay for lodging
[19:40] <Salt> nice
[19:51] <MarkDude> good deal seattlegaucho
[19:54] <seattlegaucho> I hope to get to meet w/ some of you in real life :)
[19:57] <MarkDude> you will
[19:57]  * MarkDude is guessing it is up to me to get the ball rolling for the Ubuntu table this year
[19:57] <MarkDude> I did it last year- and I expect more people this year
[19:59] <Salt> seattlegaucho, coming to lfnw?
[19:59] <seattlegaucho> Nope :( ... family issues will take me to Pulman ... the other end of the state
[20:00] <Salt> aye
[20:00] <Salt> unfortunate
[20:22] <seattlegaucho> nothing serious ... just making sure everything will be fine through the end of the academic year
[20:24] <zenrox> wow i live in pullman
[21:43] <MarkDude> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/924/detail/
[21:44] <MarkDude> Oregon event - end of the month
[21:44] <MarkDude> Ty nice folks in WA for letting OR use your fancy official listing
[21:45] <Salt> totally not making that
[21:45] <MarkDude> lol
[21:45] <MarkDude> I figured
[21:45] <MarkDude> :)
[21:45] <Salt> why aren't we having a release party up here?
[21:45] <MarkDude> idk
[21:45] <MarkDude> Why not plan a geeknic also
[22:19] <valorie> I would like to find someone to share a room with for CLS/OSCON
[22:20] <valorie> makes it a lot more fun
[22:40]  * seattlegaucho snores too loud to make it fun
[22:40] <seattlegaucho> ... at least I'm sleeping soundly while I do :)
[22:54] <valorie> hahaha


[04:26] <pitti> Good morning
[06:10] <didrocks> good morning
[07:17] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:17] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:18] <seb128> re didrocks
[07:21] <darkxst> hey seb128 didrocks
[07:21] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:21] <darkxst> anything happening with the bluez5 transition this cycle?
[07:23] <didrocks> good evening darkxst
[07:23] <didrocks> it was mentioned in the last meeting and looking for volounteers (it seems we won't block on touch and just do it)
[07:23] <didrocks> ppa needs to be refreshed and restested I guess
[07:25] <darkxst> didrocks, theres not even much in that ppa, surely there are loads more rdeps
[07:27] <darkxst> but I or Noskcaj should be able to take care of the GNOME-ish bits
[07:28] <Noskcaj> I can get help with whatever, finishing that transition finally would be great to clean up some packages
[07:29] <didrocks> that would be nice, I guess we can use a common ppa, prepare everything and land this
[07:30] <didrocks> or we can sponsor the GNOME side in that ppa if you have things ready, and just do a package copy (once we are sure the gcc5 transition is fully done)
[07:32] <seb128> darkxst, why do you think that bluez has a lot more rdepends?
[07:33] <didrocks> IIRC, we listed all direct rdepends when we built the first list
[07:35] <darkxst> didrocks, gnome-control-center update is blocked on g-o-a needing webkit2gtk source in main bug 1466290, anychance you could take a look at that?
[07:37] <darkxst> seb128, tbh I haven't looked at it since last cycle, so things may have changed, I just though it was a larger transition that what is in the ppa
[07:37] <seb128> it could be
[07:38] <seb128> didrocks, ^ do you remember the details?
[07:38] <seb128> oh, you already replied to that ;-)
[07:38] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, so I'm sure I checked the list deeply
[07:39] <didrocks> and we also had an UOS on it and nobody had anything to say on the list of rdepends (but maybe they didn't check :p)
[07:39] <seb128> yeah, let's assume that the ppa list is what we need
[07:39] <didrocks> let me check the blueprint
[07:40] <didrocks> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-v-bluez5
[07:40] <didrocks> some items were still TODO, but they are small (apart from the indicator)
[07:40] <didrocks> and u-c-c was done by larsu IIRC
[07:40] <didrocks> he just didn't change the status I guess
[07:47] <seb128> right
[08:01] <willcooke> morning!
[08:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:03] <Laney> yo yo!
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, how is u.k today? how was your w.e?
[08:07] <didrocks> good morning willcooke, Laney!
[08:08] <Laney> quite fine!
[08:08] <Laney> had friends over to fight the zombie invasion
[08:11] <Laney> oh and climbing on friday with free pizza :P
[08:11] <Laney> what about you?
[08:13] <seb128> w.e was great, summer weather
[08:13] <seb128> so some biking, walking around and went to the beach yesterday ;-)
[08:13] <seb128> no free pizza though
[08:13] <seb128> and now back to work, eying to that gcc transition, I've a feeling it's going to be a long one
[08:16] <Laney> oh I want to go to the beach
[08:16] <didrocks> Laney: played zombicide?
[08:16] <Laney> didrocks: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/150376/dead-winter-crossroads-game
[08:17] <didrocks> ok, I don't know that one ;)
[08:18] <Laney> it's fun
[08:18] <willcooke> oh yeah....
[08:18] <Laney> there is a team objective and each person has their own one
[08:18] <willcooke> Good morning hikiko-lpt :)
[08:18] <Laney> you have to solve both to win
[08:19] <didrocks> sounds nice, zombicide is more a group one
[08:19] <Laney> which is funny if the group needs to collect the same thing that you do
[08:19] <didrocks> hehe, I guess :)
[08:19] <Laney> "noooooooooooo I don't have any food ¬_¬"
[08:19] <Laney> (hand full of tasty food)
[08:20] <didrocks> heh, I like asymetric game as well, when you have "traitors" :p
[08:20] <didrocks> didn't play that this week-end though
[08:20] <Laney> yeah some of the personal cards are like that too
[08:20] <Laney> called "betrayal"
[08:21] <Laney> https://coggaming.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/deadofwinterbetrayal.jpg?w=600&h=412
[08:21] <Laney> muhahaha
[08:21] <didrocks> heh ;)
[08:21] <didrocks> we played cash'n'guns this week-end, the 2014 edition (new rules, way more fun): https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/155362/cah-n-guns-second-edition
[08:22] <didrocks> then, 7 wonders https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/68448/7-wonders (classical :p)
[08:22] <didrocks> and 2 more card games, one with betrayal and a classic bet one
[08:22] <Laney> did you go to that game place?
[08:23] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:23] <didrocks> horrible website, but great place!
[08:23] <didrocks> (and still 1800 games ;))
[08:24] <Laney> \o/
[08:25] <Laney> we're getting one of those
[08:25] <Laney> there was a kickstarter that got funded
[08:26] <didrocks> oh, they kickstarted this kind of place? Nice!
[08:26] <didrocks> I guess next year, we'll as well pay at the second one
[08:26] <didrocks> it has different hours of opening
[08:27] <Laney> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thedicecup/the-dice-cup-a-boardgame-cafe-in-nottingham/description
[08:27] <Laney> I've been observing the location but there's no sign of activity yet :(
[08:28] <didrocks> did you back it?
[08:29] <Laney> yup
[08:29] <didrocks> supposed to open in september, nice!
[08:30] <didrocks> ah, it's not like a NGO, you don't get a membership
[08:31] <didrocks> on the 2 of them in Lyon, one is 6€ a year, the other 9€
[08:31] <Laney> it sounds like you can buy membership to get cheaper entry
[08:31] <Laney> but don't have to
[08:32] <didrocks> the entry is free then
[08:32] <didrocks> for us
[08:32] <didrocks> well, you generally buy a drink, but that's it
[08:33] <Laney> nice!
[08:37] <darkxst> seb128, did you get a chance to look at the compiz keybindings thing? from my quick look it seems like can just switch the build-dep to u-c-c-dev
[08:37] <seb128> darkxst, no, got busy looking/helping with gcc5
[08:37] <seb128> it's still on my list
[08:37] <seb128> if you want to have a look please do
[08:38] <Laney> this is weird
[08:38] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/213448270/buildlog_ubuntu_wily_amd64_ubuntu_BUILDING.txt.gz
[08:39] <Laney> maybe a component mismatch?
[08:39] <seb128> yes
[08:39] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ /srv/ubuntu-archive/bin/chdist apt-get wily-amd64 --dry-run install gnome-contacts | grep universe
[08:39] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$
[08:39] <Laney> ?
[08:40] <seb128> libchamplain is a new build-depends and in universe
[08:40] <didrocks> yeah, libchamplain itself :)
[08:40] <seb128> bah, of course it was silo built
[08:40] <seb128> and that doesn't respect components
[08:41] <Laney> lame
[08:41] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libchamplain/+bug/1463659
[08:41] <seb128> let me promote it
[08:42] <didrocks> I really wonder why the check I put in place for this (component mismatch) blocking publication has been nuked
[08:42] <Laney> file a cu2d bug? :)
[08:42] <didrocks> if anyone is interested into this, sure :p
[08:43] <Laney> haha
[08:43] <Laney> I see what you did there
[08:44] <didrocks> b:p
[08:44] <Laney> can you remember what the reason is that the ppas don't have the respect compoments option on?
[08:45] <darkxst> Laney, you can force ppa
[08:45] <darkxst> to build against main only in the dependencies page
[08:45] <Laney> I know
[08:45] <Laney> I'm asking why the "silo" PPAs don't use that
[08:46] <seb128> likely because some of the silos are used for testing things that are not ready for the archive yet
[08:46] <Laney> I can think of one reason - that it's weird to have to promote things in the archive to make builds in a PPA work
[08:46] <seb128> and you don't want the archive constrains for experimental testing
[08:47] <Laney> so have an option at assignment time that flips the switch
[08:47] <didrocks> Laney: my first idea was to do that automatically
[08:47] <Laney> but doesn't let you publish then
[08:47] <didrocks> but this wasn't in the API
[08:47] <didrocks> let me check
[08:47] <ochosi> hey folks
[08:47] <Laney> maybe nnot
[08:47] <seb128> hey ochosi, how are you?
[08:47] <ochosi> not sure any of you are interested in this and i know larsu is still not around, but i found some nice theming benefits you might be interested in
[08:47] <ochosi> seb128: good good, thanks :)
[08:48] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, we are likely interested, feel free to mp change and ping us about them ;-)
[08:48] <seb128> or just point us to the changes
[08:48] <seb128> it's more likely that we review/land things in mps though
[08:48] <ochosi> ok, i'll just quickly outline what it's about before putting together a MP, it'll be a bit of work...
[08:48] <seb128> k
[08:49] <ochosi> thing is, currently CSD pick up icons from the icon theme
[08:49] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, it seems that strict_component is only available as a GET method
[08:49] <ochosi> so if you dont use ubuntu's default icon theme, the window close, max and min buttons in CSD will differ from everything drawn by compiz
[08:50] <ochosi> but you can directly load assets (using the same icons as in compiz's decorator), so the gtk theme will always look the same, no matter what icon theme is in use
[08:50] <ochosi> so consistency++
[08:51] <hikiko-lpt> hello willcooke :)
[08:51] <ochosi> example: this is with elementary-xfce (xubuntu icon theme) http://i.imgur.com/MTAHm6g.png
[08:51] <hikiko-lpt> and everyone :)
[08:52] <ochosi> and this is with ubuntu-mono: http://i.imgur.com/MIcSLoy.png
[08:52] <ochosi> (only focus on the CSD window control icons)
[08:52] <Laney> didrocks: "checkUpload
[08:52] <Laney> Wrapper around checkUpload for the web service API. "
[08:53] <Laney> great documentation! :)
[08:53] <Laney> hey hikiko!
[08:53] <didrocks> hey hikiko! welcome! ;)
[08:53] <seb128> hey hikiko, welcome on board ;-)
[08:53] <ochosi> and this is pretty much what's needed: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/commit/37e5c05da36368ceaf77d6a5f92c254431d47f3c
[08:53] <hikiko> hello Laney didrocks seb128 :)
[08:53] <didrocks> Laney: ahah, I'm used to launchpad doc after having used it so much, that even didn't jump in my eyes anymore ;)
[08:53] <hikiko> thanks!!
[08:54] <seb128> ochosi, yeah, not depending on the icon theme seems like it would be better indeed
[08:54] <ochosi> seb128: could also report it as a bug as a first step if you wanna discuss it internally before deciding and all
[08:56] <seb128> ochosi, I don't think there is anything to discuss "internally" here, consensus on this channel is what we need
[08:56] <ochosi> okeydokey
[08:56] <ochosi> then just lemme know ;)
[08:56] <seb128> so atm changing your icon theme without changing the gtk theme might lead to weird looking decorations, right?
[08:56] <ochosi> yeah
[08:56] <seb128> and the change would ensure the decoration are always the same
[08:56] <ochosi> just try it, change it to gnome/adwaita
[08:56] <ochosi> and you'll see that CSD buttons don't look integrated anymore
[08:57] <ochosi> yeah
[08:57] <seb128> well, not only the decorations it seems
[08:57] <seb128> the title is white and not vertically centered anymore
[08:58] <ochosi> really? only by changing the icon theme?
[08:58] <seb128> oh, no, I changed the theme in appearance ;-)
[08:58] <ochosi> ah, haha, well that changes both iirc
[08:58] <seb128> yeah, right
[08:58] <seb128> so yeah, +1 from me
[08:58] <ochosi> i guess in unity it's not such a big issue because you have "theme packages"
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks, Laney, do you have an opinion on the topic?
[08:58] <ochosi> but theoretically you can bundle gnome icons with Ambiance
[08:58] <ochosi> (or even very practically)
[08:59] <Laney> seems sensible to treat those as part of the gtk theme
[09:01] <didrocks> let me backlog a little bit
[09:03] <ochosi> (btw, i don't mind waiting for larsu to return if you prefer that. don't wanna mess with his toys in his absence ;))
[09:03] <didrocks> yeah, agreed as well, sounds like they are mostly part of the gtk theme itself in practice
[09:03] <seb128> I don't think larsu feels attached to the themes
[09:04] <seb128> he's maintaining those because somebody needs to do it and nobody else was
[09:04] <ochosi> oh ok
[09:04] <Laney> you haven't seen his tattoo of his favourite rules from the ubuntu themes
[09:04] <Laney> he loves it
[09:04] <ochosi> lol
[09:07] <ochosi> k, i'll try to prep something for you to test then...
[09:07] <Laney> thanks ochosi!
[09:07] <Laney> are you coming to debconf btw? ;)
[09:09] <ochosi> Laney: would love to, but i'm starting a new job in september (and before that i'm gonna be a dad), so... ;)
[09:10] <Laney> oh!
[09:10] <Laney> doublecongrats then
[09:11] <seb128> ogra_, congrats!
[09:12] <ochosi> thanks :)
[09:12] <ogra_> seb128, thanks a lot ... but for what ? :)
[09:12] <seb128> ochosi, just curious, where/on what are going to work?
[09:12] <seb128> ups
[09:12] <seb128> ochosi, congrats!
[09:12] <seb128> ogra_, for being awake on a monday morning? ;-)
[09:13] <seb128> not like me apparently :p
[09:13] <ogra_> lol, k, that counts ...
[09:13] <ochosi> seb128: well i don't have the typical education for a technical job (phd in philosophy, my contract as a university teacher just ended), but i'm going to be software configuration manager at an austrian embedded company
[09:13] <ochosi> would've preferred a job in FOSS, but .at seems to really suck in that respect
[09:14] <Laney> some companies allow home working :)
[09:14] <darkxst> seb128, compiz fails to build, gcc5 fallout?
[09:14] <darkxst> 41: error: logical not is only applied to the left hand side of comparison [-Werror=logical-not-parentheses]
[09:14] <darkxst>       if (!screen->outputDevs ().size () > 1)
[09:15] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, i wouldn't mind that. still, without the education it's not that easy to find something
[09:15] <ochosi> and i looked, the canonical jobs didn't seem to fit (everything design-related was UK/office based, everything technical required too much coding experience, and i'm only half a coder)
[09:19] <darkxst> I suppose that should be  if (screen->outputDevs ().size () <= 1) in a gcc5 world
[09:19] <Laney> darkxst: I know andyrock was saying he had fixed stuff with gcc5
[09:19] <Laney> maybe it didn't get uploaded?
[09:19] <darkxst> Laney, is there a branch somewhere?
[09:20] <Laney> probably :)
[09:20] <Laney> sorry, not very helpful
[09:21] <darkxst> Laney, nm found the MP
[09:22] <Laney> darkxst: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-043
[09:22] <Laney> I found that from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/dashboard.html#?q=compiz
[09:22] <Laney> dashboard is a useful link to know
[09:23] <darkxst> not seen that before
[09:24] <Laney> nod
[09:24] <Laney> so try compiz from that PPA and base any changes on that I'd say
[09:25] <Laney> iirc the CI stuff makes a branch for staged uploads like that...?
[09:34] <seb128> ochosi, k, I hope you enjoy the job still ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> darkxst, no idea, what Laney said I guess
[09:35] <ochosi> seb128: thanks, hope so too :) i guess i'll keep my eyes and ears open for FOSS related jobs. if you hear anything you think could be a fit always feel free to ping me or fwd!
[09:36] <seb128> sure, if I see anything which I think could be a fit for you I'm going to ping you
[09:37] <ochosi> thx!
[09:56]  * darkxst is also on the lookout for work!
[09:59] <Laney> haha
[09:59] <Laney> #ubuntu-desktop-jobs-please
[10:06] <darkxst> Laney, if there were actually jobs available, maybe ?!
[10:12] <xnox> ochosi: darkxst: you can subscribe to e.g. canonical job postings rss feeds
[10:13]  * xnox ponders how many openings there are in the foundations team still after so many people moved about
[10:13] <xnox> (if you are into that sort of stuff ofcourse...)
[10:13] <darkxst> xnox, I actually applied for the foundations opening
[10:14] <xnox> darkxst: how many years back, i did just that and managed to get in. took a long time however.
[10:15] <darkxst> xnox, just recently, steve was saying interviews would be soon-ish, but I see your point
[10:23] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 pitti can I get your endorsements for ubuntu-desktop packageset application? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimLunn/DesktopApplication
[10:36] <Laney> darkxst: yep from me
[10:44] <Laney> darkxst: done
[10:44] <Laney> note that for desktop you just mail our list and don't go via the DMB
[10:44] <Laney> need 3 endorsements
[10:48] <darkxst> oh ok, thanks Laney
[11:05] <ochosi> xnox: what foundation?
[11:06] <ochosi> and thanks for the hint, will subscribe
[11:27] <Laney> tjaalton: do you know any reason not to sync/merge xxv-qxl?
[11:46] <seb128> darkxst, k, I need to think a bit over it, you don't really state on that page what you want to use the rights for?
[11:48] <seb128> like is there so particular components you want to focus on?
[11:48] <seb128> for things like gtk we should still have team discussions before going ahead with changes
[11:49] <seb128> same when adding new depends or updating versions of component that impact Ubuntu Unity as well
[11:49] <seb128> if we are on agreement on that I think it's a +1 from me
[11:49] <darkxst> seb128, it would mainly be the overlapping components, and I certainly wouldn't upload anything major/breaking api without discussions first
[11:50] <seb128> k, I was just check
[11:50] <seb128> so yeah, +1 from me
[12:10]  * Laney wonders when $DELL_ENGINEER is going to come
[12:10]  * Laney backs up home directory ...
[12:16] <seb128> Laney, what are they supposed to fix/change for you?
[12:17] <Laney> keyboard
[12:17] <Laney> I get two spaces instead of one all the time
[12:17]  * Laney gpg --encrypt laney.tar.xz
[12:23] <ochosi> Laney: oh wow, that sounds annoying. i presume you've somehow fixed the broken palm detection on the touchpad?
[12:23] <Laney> no
[12:23] <Laney> I just break my wrists to type
[12:24] <Laney> want to try -libinput and/or the chrome driver
[12:24] <Laney> tbh I haven't looked at that problem very much
[12:24] <ochosi> muahaha
[12:24] <ochosi> yeah, same here
[12:25] <ochosi> i put an xorg.conf file in /etc, that helped a bit
[12:25] <Laney> laney@nightingale> synclient -l | grep Palm                                                                                ~ PalmDetect              = 0
[12:25] <Laney> that probably doesn't help
[12:25] <ochosi> at least with the general touchpad thingy
[12:25] <ochosi> but yeah, the palm detection doesn't really work
[12:25] <ochosi> can paste that one if you wanna try (unless you're generally happy with scrolling, tapping etc)
[12:26] <Laney> are you on wily/latest bios?
[12:27] <Laney> seems there's two modes the touchpad can be in and palm detect doesn't work with the better one (i2c)?
[12:28] <ochosi> i'm on vivid with bios a04, i think latest is a05, but that one fixes nothing touchpad related
[12:28] <ochosi> yeah, supposedly palm detection works better in ps2 than in i2c mode
[12:28] <Laney> seems to be a driver thing
[12:28] <Laney> so I'll try the other one but if that doesn't work then I have to wait
[12:29] <Laney> one -> drivers
[12:29] <ochosi> righty
[12:29] <ochosi> lemme know if you ever get it fixed ;)
[12:29] <ochosi> bbl, hf! (and good luck with that dell engineer)
[12:29] <Laney> that TapAndDragGesture thing is annoying
[12:30] <ochosi> yeah
[12:30] <ochosi> extremely
[12:30] <ochosi> i switched it off, still not really working for me
[12:31] <ochosi> especially with CSD and gtk3 it's terrible
[12:31] <Laney> don't know why though
[12:31] <Laney> who has the bug?
[12:31] <ochosi> and i don't even know *which* gesture that is that i should avoid
[12:31] <Laney> I usually do select stuff like that
[12:32] <Laney> is it driver or gtk?
[12:32] <ochosi> not sure
[12:32] <ochosi> likely the driver
[12:32] <ochosi> sometimes it works ok
[12:32] <ochosi> sometimes it's totally borked
[12:32] <ochosi> seems a bit random to me
[12:32] <ochosi> so probably not gtk
[12:32] <Laney> but I don't see it in other things
[12:33] <Laney> just gtk3 apps
[12:33] <ochosi> yeah
[12:33] <Laney> makes me suspicious
[12:34] <ochosi> hmm
[12:34] <ochosi> again, if you find a fix... ;)
[12:34] <Laney> If you need working palm detection, you can use xf86-input-libinput. The libinput driver supports nearly all button layouts out of the box with few additional settings.
[12:34] <Laney> that's the driver I was talking about
[12:34] <Laney> we just got that in wily thanks to tjaalton
[12:36] <Laney> might try it later today
[16:38] <bschaefer> hello, i was looking at testing a silo with unity7 on it, but there seems to be an issue with gtk bits not rebuilt with gcc5? (or unity7 depends are out of sync with gtk stuff)
[16:48] <seb128> bschaefer, hey, can you give details on the error?
[16:48] <bschaefer> seb128, not much besides if i install unity it un installs gnome-monitor
[16:48] <bschaefer> which is needed by ubuntu-desktop
[16:49] <seb128> what happen if you try to install both?
[16:49] <bschaefer> soo its flipping back and forth, if i want gnome-monitor it uninstalls unity
[16:49] <bschaefer> seb128, it says umm
[16:49]  * bschaefer gets error for you
[16:49] <bschaefer> seb128, this is with unity intsalled: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11994245/
[16:50] <seb128> is that with wily-proposed enabled?
[16:50] <bschaefer> seb128, im also on, silo28 (which ever one had the new unity changes gcc5) and im on proposed
[16:50] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:50] <seb128> there are probably unmigrated things in there still
[16:50] <seb128> don't worry too much about it
[16:50] <bschaefer> yeah
[16:50] <bschaefer> i figured it would resolve it self in a couple days
[16:50] <bschaefer> just wondering if a silo was around with that :)
[16:50]  * bschaefer didnt see one
[17:05] <Laney> bschaefer: usually you can apt-get install <package to upgrade> <package it wants to remove and shouldn't> <more packages to not remove>
[17:05] <Laney> do that repeatedly and it'll eventually tell you what the real problem is
[17:06] <bschaefer> Laney, o cool, yeah i think bregma told me to do that... ill see if i can find the package that is the main issue
[17:06] <Laney> probably is some missing rebuild for gcc5
[17:06] <Laney> right I'm off to climb some fake rocks
[17:06] <Laney> bye!
[17:07] <bschaefer> yeah  libsigc++-2.0-0v5 : Conflicts: libsigc++-2.0-0c2a but 2.4.1-1 is to be installed
[17:08]  * bschaefer just waits for the dust to settle
[17:08] <bschaefer> Laney, thanks! And enjoy!
[18:57] <mterry> darkxst, heyo!  I'm looking at bug 1466290.  Jamie said you were working on something to avoid g-c-c depending on webkit?
[18:57] <mterry> (in comment 8)
[20:18] <willcooke> yay
[20:18] <willcooke> robert_ancell, back!
[20:18] <willcooke> robert_ancell, looks like that over heating issue is the cause, and has fried my Pi
[20:45] <jcastro>  export BYOBU_CHARMAP=UTF-8 ; . ~/.bashrc
[20:45] <jcastro> whoops, sorry guys


[05:11]  * micahg wonders where charlie-tca is
[05:16] <Unit193> Wasn't he not really going to be around much 'til after UDS?
[05:16] <micahg> oh, maybe
[12:55] <mr_pouit> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2011-October/029182.html
[12:56] <mr_pouit> (for those who were still doubting)