[00:40] <Unit193> parole | 0.7.0-0ubuntu1   | utopic/universe
[00:40] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 17 link
[00:40] <Unit193> So is this finished?
[00:40] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/rYdUpT2q/17-suite-c-call
[00:40] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 73 link
[00:41] <xubutrello> https://trello.com/c/QRco5FLe/73-parole-0-6-2-0-7
[00:42] <bluesabre> yup, looks that way
[00:43] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 73 move to Done 14.10
[00:43] <xubutrello> Couldn't find any list named: "done". Aborting.
[00:44] <bluesabre> already moved it
[00:44] <bluesabre> ;)
[00:44] <Unit193> Bah.
[01:27] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: :O
[01:28] <Unit193> Hmm?
[01:28] <bluesabre> he found a new bug while doing SRU verification
[01:28] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[01:28] <bluesabre> see last comments
[01:28] <bluesabre> easy fix, but :(
[01:29] <Unit193> Ouch.
[01:31] <bluesabre> jjfrv8: would you mind removing ~/.config/menus/xfce-applications.menu, and try that same test with a launcher that has been saved (even a new launcher, as long as it has a filename assigned to it)
[04:40] <Unit193> xubuntu-meta sitting in NEW: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue
[06:25] <knome> bluesabre, hey, at least we're finding the bugs "internally" on the team, so they don't spread out too far
[07:46] <Unit193> ochosi: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xfce/+packages
[09:29] <ochosi> Unit193: which packages would be intended for which ppa?
[10:07] <ochosi> bluesabre: tried my best with bdmurray, as he's the sru guy today, if you have any better ideas/shots, feel free to give it a try
[10:07] <ochosi> (note: bdmurray isn't around yet)
[10:19] <Noskcaj> Why is it that we seed libcheese-doc?
[10:35] <bluesabre> I think it gets pulled thanks to gstreamer1.0-tools
[10:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: if he's the pilot today, we just gotta keep poking :)
[11:12] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i guess
[11:17] <bluesabre> what's up ochosi?
[11:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: not much, mostly working :)
[11:23] <ochosi> but it's frickin' hot outside
[11:24] <ochosi> oh, and waiting a bit for bdmurray to show his face so i can ping him over and over :>
[11:24] <ochosi> actually i should also fix one or two things in xfpm today or tomorrow
[11:24] <ochosi> "one fix a day keeps the release-date away"
[11:25] <ochosi> i saw you got another bug in menulibre
[11:29] <bluesabre> yeah
[11:30] <bluesabre> so that's fun
[11:34] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[11:35] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: please see my comments for the xfce4-session merge
[11:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: hf, ttyl
[12:39] <jjfrv8> bluesabre, did as you requested. Giving New Launcher a name and saving before moving prevents the problem.
[12:45] <jjfrv8> Updated bug report with that result.
[14:19] <slickymasterWork> elfy, you around?
[16:40] <elfy> sigh - so I do have a bug in a clean install ... lagging badly when changing to another desktop
[17:25] <elfy> which appears to be worse with nouveau than nvidia
[17:41] <Unit193> ochosi_: xfdash, extras.
[17:56] <Unit193> ochosi_: Also, can you remove thunar-dropbox from extras/utopic?
[17:56] <ochosi_> yeah, i saw it got uploaded today
[17:56] <Unit193> Maybe trusty too, the one in Ubuntu is "older"
[17:56] <Unit193> Cool.
[17:56] <Unit193> xubuntu-core is in proposed (Sean pinged them) so it should be in normal soon.
[17:57] <elfy> excellent
[17:57] <ochosi_> yup, saw that too
[17:57] <ochosi_> still waiting for xdg-utils and x-d-settings
[18:44] <Unit193> bluesabre: I suppose you got nothing on the packageset question?
[20:05] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, You will notice that d/p/series was not changed
[20:06] <Noskcaj> The patches were just unapplied when i pushed the branch, as i have been told to by dholbach
[20:09] <ochosi> Unit193: both done (xfdash + thunar-dropb)
[20:11] <elfy> evening all
[20:12] <ochosi> hey elfy
[20:12] <ochosi> how's it goin?
[20:13] <elfy> better now it's a bit cooler :p
[20:13] <elfy> had to reinstall unicorn today - was driving me nuts :)
[20:13] <ochosi> again?
[20:13] <ochosi> :)
[20:13] <elfy> same issue - I've just been really lazy ...
[20:14] <ochosi> btw, we have a few SRU bugs that need to be verified, in case you have time and vboxes to check that out
[20:14] <elfy> I can do that - just point me and I can set the vm's up again
[20:15] <ochosi> this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1331871
[20:15] <ochosi> and this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/menulibre/+bug/1323405
[20:15] <ochosi> (both in trusty-proposed)
[20:15] <elfy> ok - it'll not be today nor early tomorrow
[20:16] <ochosi> we'll see, might be too late then. we're aiming for the 14.04.1 inclusion
[20:16] <elfy> no time tonight, working till 5 tomorrow
[20:16] <ochosi> sure, no worries
[20:16] <ochosi> as far as i can see jjfrv8 already checked them
[20:17] <ochosi> so it'll hopefully be enough
[20:17] <ochosi> (although he discovered a new bug along the way)
[20:17] <elfy> ok
[20:33] <ochosi> bbl
[21:48] <Noskcaj> Can someone please check that gmusicbrowser still works after you manually select a time in a song. It stops making sound for me
[22:52] <ochosi> Noskcaj: sounds like a combinatiom of .ogg and gstreamer
[22:53] <ochosi> at least we had a similar issue in parole
[23:14]  * bluesabre enters quietly


[17:30] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[17:35] <pavlushka> hello zaki
[17:35] <pavlushka> zaki: how is it going?
[17:41] <zaki> dinner time
[17:41] <zaki> and everything fine


[12:20] <hobgoblin> cortman: things are moving - check the last item, but you won't be able to see the link to the thread
[12:20] <hobgoblin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[12:21] <cortman> Yay hobgoblin !
[12:21] <hobgoblin> :)
[12:21] <hobgoblin> that'll put the cat amongst the pigeons ...
[12:21] <cortman> Whew
[12:21] <cortman> The day that happens I think I'll hide under the telly with quackers


[03:39] <tsimonq2> Hey guys, having a bit of a peculiar problem, which is why I'm coming here. :)
[03:39] <tsimonq2> I've been having MAJOR DNS problems lately...
[03:40] <tsimonq2> Like, I can't visit Twitter or the CSS on GitHub doesn't load...
[03:40] <tsimonq2> Works fine on my phone
[03:40] <tsimonq2> But in w3m, Google Chrome, AND Mozilla Firefox, I'm having problems.
[03:41] <tsimonq2> I really suspect it's a DNS problem. I can ping the IPs ok, just can't visit them...
[03:41] <tsimonq2> I guess my question is, what packages make up DNS in the Ubuntu Development release at the moment?
[03:42] <tsimonq2> If I can find that out, I can at the very minimum do some digging to see if someone broke something...
[03:42] <tsimonq2> If anything, I'd just like to solve this issue...
[03:43] <tsimonq2> Troubleshooting steps? Any logs I can check?
[03:51] <tsimonq2> So an example is this.
[03:51] <tsimonq2> ping assets-cdn.github.com
[03:51] <tsimonq2> On my host system, it's not working. It's throwing this:
[03:51] <tsimonq2> ping: assets-cdn.github.com: Name or service not known
[03:52] <tsimonq2> On my cloud container, however, it works fine...
[03:54] <tsimonq2> Oh, that's new:
[03:54] <tsimonq2> # run "systemd-resolve --status" to see details about the actual nameservers.
[03:54] <tsimonq2> I thought I saw an email about that, hold on...
[03:59] <tsimonq2> Bah, blasted shell that I have to remember to renew every two weeks...
[04:00] <tsimonq2> Anyways
[04:00] <tsimonq2> I think pitti is to blame, I'll go hunt him down I think. :)
[04:02] <tsimonq2> Eh, whatever, I don't know...
[12:59] <icey> tsimonq2: I started running into https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3826 yesterday
[13:06] <icey> tsimonq2: no solution for you unfortunately but it is known?
[19:47] <SuperLag> renew a shell?


 doin crazy dev stuff. any ideas @kc2bez ? … ImportError: /usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages/PySide2/Qt/lib/libQt5Network.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZdaPvm, version Qt_5
 (Photo, 710x200) https://i.imgur.com/KkzUPlh.jpg
 currently trying to build and run another DE.
 checking the code it had to do with bindings and pyqt5... i had to override stuff by removing it. similar story here?
 Somewhat difficult to tell but it looks like you need to install a python module or two.
 @kc2bez [Somewhat difficult to tell but it looks like you need to install a python module …], Always unlucky with PySide2
 with the current assuming we have Qt 5.15 it's a hell of a mess.
 And considering idk what the plan is for Qt 5.15 and 20.10/Debian Unstable (atm) then that'd require patching it for specific debian to enforce an override
 now.. there is Side2
 another module
 ugh
 i minus well see how it's going with JADE or try again another day or something
 i'd rather see a success of JADE in manjaro first then in debian
[04:32] <vishu> hi i am a newbie i installed lubuntu 20.04 few days back. im tryin to intall nitroshare but have dificulties with it
[04:33] <vishu> file:///home/vishu/nitroshare/PKGBUILDfile:///home/vishu/nitroshare/qt-5.11.patch
[04:33] <vishu> i have extracted these two files and i dont know what to do further
 @vishu [<vishu> hi i am a newbie i installed lubuntu 20.04 few days back. im tryin to in …], Is the original package a .deb file?
[07:06] <zqf> 你好，有人在吗？
 @zqf [<zqf> 你好，有人在吗？], Please speak english
[07:07] <zqf> ok
[07:07] <zqf> su: Authentication failure
[07:08] <zqf> how to deal with
 @zqf [<zqf> su: Authentication failure], That is normal and expected. The password of root is deactivated.
 You can use sudo -i
[07:09] <zqf> is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[07:10] <zqf> after use sudo -i
 The user is not in the sudo group
[07:15] <zqf> will you tell me how to add in the sudo group
[07:54] <Jimmy164> Hello?
[07:55] <guiverc> G'day Jimmy164, if you have a Lubuntu Support question please ask it (try and keep to a single line, and be patient, people will respond when they are able)..  For non support chat though please use #lubuntu-offtopic
[08:02] <jimmy190> Hello
[08:07] <jimmy190> I am trying to install Lubuntu 18.10, 32-bit version on my old pc computer (it has a Palermo 90nm Amd cpu and 518MB or Ram). After using Rufus to render my flash drive bootable, I couldn't find a usb boot option from my Bios, so i installed acustom extended bios menu where I was able to boot lubuntu. I chose language, and pressed enter on Run
[08:07] <jimmy190> Lubuntu. But after that, a black screen appears than automatically runs some commands, and i get a print_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0
[08:09] <jimmy190> This is where my system prompt and installation stops. How can I fix this?
[08:13] <andriana20> Hello?
[08:15] <andriana20> Can someone assist me?
[08:16] <guiverc> @jimmy190 Lubuntu 18.10 is EOL or end-of-life
[08:16] <andriana20> What is that supposed to mean?
[08:17] <guiverc> andriana20, just ask your question (try and keep to a single line), people will reply when they can  (my last line was to prior question)
[08:17] <andriana20> Sorry guys, this is jimmy (i got disconnected and had to create a new username)
[08:18] <andriana20> I will repeat my problem : I am trying to install Lubuntu 18.10, 32-bit version on my old pc computer (it has a Palermo 90nm Amd cpu and 518MB or Ram). After using Rufus to render my flash drive bootable, I couldn't find a usb boot option from my Bios, so i installed acustom extended bios menu where I was able to boot lubuntu. I chose language, and
[08:18] <andriana20> pressed enter on Run Lubuntu. But after that, a black screen appears than automatically runs some commands, and i get a print_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0 This is where my system prompt and installation stops. How can I fix this?
[08:19] <guiverc> Lubuntu 18.10 or the 2018-October release of Lubuntu is end-of-life, it upgraded to 19.04 which itself is EOL now too.  19.10 reaches EOL in a matter of hours.  You don't want to use the EOL software; or if you do, you need to support yourself
[08:20] <kc2bez> andriana20: You can find the supported release downloads at https://lubuntu.me/downloads
[08:21] <andriana20> Guys, I've got a critical installation error with my system. It happens no matter whether I use 18.10, or 18.04. My system is 32-bit , and I would appreciate slmeone who could assist me with this specific issue of mine
[08:21] <guiverc> 512MB of RAM is insufficient to run as a 'live' system AND do installations, which is why the alternate ISO existed (it's last production was 18.04 though)
[08:22] <guiverc> We don't support EOL software
[08:22] <andriana20> And How come My system Runs a Windows 7 32-bit OS
[08:22] <andriana20> ?
[08:23] <andriana20> Yes, you already informed me you don't support 18.10 . Take this issue as an inquiry of General Sense. Alright?
[08:23] <guiverc> Okay, with <768MB of RAM you need to use the alternate installer, which was last produced for Lubuntu 18.04 LTS as already stated.
[08:23] <andriana20> If my system can Run Windows 7 on 518MB of Ram, why It wouldn't run Lubuntu?
[08:24] <guiverc> Lubuntu will run, but the installer won't run in 512MB of RAM ontop of a 'live' system.  Not even windows 7 runs in a 'live' environment.
[08:25] <andriana20> What do you mean? 'live'? Did I ever mention that term?
[08:25] <kc2bez> andriana20: did you use the alternate installer?
[08:25] <guiverc> Lubuntu 18.10 only comes on a 'live' system
[08:26] <andriana20> So live means , running an OS on top of an already installed one?
[08:26] <andriana20> Can you define what a live system is?
[08:26] <guiverc> a 'live' system is a non-installed OS being run, ie. all from memory
[08:26] <kc2bez> live means running the os from DVD or USB
[08:27] <andriana20> Alright then, lets suppose that I want to install directly on top of W7, and not demo it. Thats what i tried to do. But i suppose there s no way tk make that happen?
[08:28] <guiverc> you need to use the alternate ISO if you have <768MB of RAM which you said you have
[08:28] <andriana20> I mean, the way systems work, any single way I try to install Lubuntu, I will have to run it live first?
[08:29] <guiverc> no, the alternate ISO doesn't run a 'live' system, it uses the debian installer.
[08:29] <andriana20> Okay. The alternate ISO exists and will work for all Lubuntu versions?
[08:30] <guiverc> I've already stated the last alternate ISO was created in April-2018, ie. original 18.04 media only (no .1, no .2, etc)
[08:31] <andriana20> I am asking that I am shown some understanding. I am not an expert and its my first attempt, ok?
[08:33] <guiverc> andriana20, https://lubuntu.me/downloads/  scroll down to 18.04.4 Bionic Beaver LTS (LXDE) and you'll see alternate ISOs for x86 (32-bit) & amd64/x86_64 (64-bit)
[08:34] <guiverc> the alternate ISO is older, so will have 2+ years of updates to install, unlike other media though which has been refreshed 4 times since 2018-april.
[08:34] <andriana20> I do not have a fettish with any specific Lubuntu version over others. Carrying the limited lnowledge I have for computers, I wanted to install the best possible version which will offer me better system stability than windows 7 do. I just discovered that my cpu instruction set support 64-bit at most. Which Lubuntu version do you best recommend me
[08:34] <andriana20> to start with? Thanks for the aptience
[08:35] <andriana20> I just chose 18.10 because of its pretty LDqt. But i have no problem ceding this feature for the better of my system
[08:36] <andriana20> I also want the best System response (least input and output lag)
[08:36] <guiverc> It'll depend on your RAM which you've indicated twice+ was 518MB (an unusual size, it's usually 512MB or a power of 2 being binary which is why I read it as 512 sorry).  18.10 is EOL thus not advisable unles syou're offline only.
[08:37] <andriana20> Yup, i want to revive my friend's 518mb Ram pc
[08:37] <andriana20> Sorry if my size stating isn t exact, its at 500+ MBs of RAM
[08:38] <andriana20> An AMD Sempron 3000+ (Palermo 90nm) with an instriction set of 64-bit
[08:39] <guiverc> the 512Mb is your problem, Lubuntu 18.10 requires more RAM to install as it only came on a 'live' ISO. We cannot help with 18.10 though.
[08:39] <andriana20> I understand performance is limited, but I want the best lubuntu version for internet browsing and simple everyday use
[08:39] <andriana20> Alright then, of course I am willing to choose a different version
[08:39] <andriana20> Do you recommend me to go to 20.04 64-bit or towards an older 32-bit one?
[08:39] <guiverc> I've already said Lubuntu 18.04 LTS is the only options I see, installed via alternate ISO as you have <768MB of RAM  I'd use 32-bit
[08:40] <guiverc> 64-bit has a slightly larger overhead because each RAM address is double-the-size.. it's a small hit yes, but on such a small RAM, every RAM hit will be noticed.
[08:40] <guiverc> (non-local addresses anyway, relative addresses will be same size)
[08:41] <andriana20> I see
[08:41] <andriana20>  I really liked the ldqt of newer versions
[08:41] <andriana20> So i guess using 20.04 would be suicidal for my system?
[08:41]  * guiverc clarified my answer as I saw a flaw, even if you didn't understand it... ie. 32bit is slightly more efficient.  (very slightly)
[08:43] <guiverc> you don't have enough RAM to boot it I suspect, though even if you could boot, you won't be able to run `calamares` I bet (the installer used by Lubuntu LXQt releases)
[08:43] <andriana20> it's ok, don't bother with what i looks like i understand guys, i just want to get through with this
[08:44] <andriana20> Ok. Know anything about the print_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0  i got?
[08:45] <andriana20> Got this even after i disabled my floppy disk drive
[08:45] <guiverc> I would ignore it, your machine thinks you have a floppy (fd0) but you have no media inserted thus sector cannot be read (ie. no floppy in the drive to read)... how I read your error
[08:46] <guiverc> I still have some boxes with floppies installed, I ignore the message when I see it
[08:46] <andriana20> Yeah, but this is where my lubuntu installation prompt stops
[08:46] <andriana20> And i have to restart my pc
[08:47] <andriana20> Virtually, this was the only problem i had with i 18.10
[08:47] <andriana20> So i couldn't innor it really
[08:47] <andriana20> Ignore*
[08:48] <guiverc> okay, Calamares has an issue with floppies, it'll try and write the MBR to a floppy if it believes a floppy is present..  It's an issue which has now been fixed, but the fix only just occurred and isn't in any release media (for Lubuntu or any other distro yet either, it's very recent fix)
[08:49] <guiverc> fix is in calamares 3.2.27 released 9 days ago
[08:50] <andriana20> Yes, but the problem is that I encounter that problem without even having Booted Lubuntu at all. I am on windows 7
[08:51] <andriana20> So software fixes are unsuable for an Operating system installation error
[08:51] <andriana20> Unless there is something i could do to bypass it
[08:51] <andriana20> I encounter this at the very start of my first Lubuntu boot Attempt
[08:52] <andriana20> I get the Lubuntu Logo choose language , 4 options (first is Run Lubuntu)
[08:53] <guiverc> I can't (or won't) help with EOL releases sorry.
[08:53] <andriana20> And after running lubuntu, a black screen command prompt that runs automatic commands leads me to this error
[08:54] <andriana20> Yes, but this error can easily occur with 18.04 lts version and i need to combat this error regarless
[08:54] <guiverc> You are most welcome to use EOL (end of life) software but all security patches are no longer provided by Canonical/Ubuntu community, so responsibility is all on you. Official support options are also closed, as we do not encourage the use of unsupported EOL software. If you're competent enough to back-port all security patches yourself, you won't need support anyway.
[08:54] <guiverc> 18.04 uses different installers (debian OR ubiquity) to 18.10 so is different
[08:55] <andriana20> I will see about that. I will be here again if it reoccurs
[08:56] <andriana20> Is my boot method on point at all?
[08:56] <andriana20> Used rufus to pass the iso to my flash drive
[08:56] <guiverc> I don't know your hardware, so any advice I give it won't be worth much
[08:56] <guiverc> I've also never used rufus to write media either, so cannot help there.
[08:56] <andriana20> What do you need to know about my hardware?
[08:57] <andriana20> Rufus is adviced to be used in the official website
[08:57] <andriana20> What do you mean?
[08:58] <andriana20> I was introduced to rufus by the lubuntu installation guide
[08:58] <guiverc> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1.2/booting_the_image.html is all Ican provide.  (I've never used rufus in my life, never seen it running on a machine even)
[08:58] <andriana20> Ok, so what is my alternative tested by you?
[08:58] <guiverc> I've not used it sorry, I use windows maybe twice a year  (i'm lucky)
[08:59] <andriana20> I ll check it
[08:59] <andriana20> It's not luck oriented, but choice oriented
[09:00] <andriana20> So do not worry about running out of luck
[09:03] <andriana20> Yet you need to understand how windows function so you can advise windows users who want to turn lubuntu
[09:04] <andriana20> lubuntu seemed to boot just fine using a rufus flash drive
[09:05] <andriana20> I don't know if it will detect by iso bruning
[09:06] <andriana20> Anyway
[09:07] <andriana20> I will try to get it both ways and see ehich one works
[09:07] <andriana20> Hopefully it gets resolved..!
[09:16] <andriana20> guiverc still here?
[09:17] <guiverc> yes, but busy doing things.... I'll respond when I can (like most people in room, or those invisible as on telegram)
[09:20] <andriana20> guiverc understood. i want to install lubuntu to a friend as  a service. So you understand that I have to make one visit this afternoon, and that i i do not get there prepared with the correct lub version, a properly bootable usb stick and the knowledge to do it, it s one day s work that goes to waste, and repeat tomorrow.. what do you think should
[09:20] <andriana20> i do
[09:21] <diogenes_> andriana20, what's the issue?
[09:22] <andriana20> Its a long story diogenes, we discussed it with guiverc for the last hour . Can you check the chat history?
[09:22] <diogenes_> andriana20, you can always compress it in 1 sentence.
[09:23] <andriana20> I will try
[09:24] <andriana20> Nice name btw, sounds like it came out of Greece, where i come from
[09:24] <diogenes_> yeah it comes from Sinope )
[09:24] <andriana20> Sinope?
[09:25] <andriana20> Sorry, i got off topic
[09:25] <andriana20> My friend has this old computer (2006 est.)
[09:29] <diogenes_> and?
[09:30] <andriana20> Cpu: amd sempron 3000+ palermo 90nm (64-bit) , and 512MB of ram. I booted ubuntu 18.10 (which Yes, i now know is not supported anymore , booted it into rufus properly, and went off to his house. I was trying to get its BIOS to read and boot my flash drive, to no avail. So i installed an extended custom Bios menu (called Free... Something) and i
[09:30] <andriana20> finally got the LUBUNTU logo. I chose language, then hit Run lubuntu, and after initiating it, i got a black coand prompt that automatically runs commands, and got anprint_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0 error, which pauses the executional, and gets me stuck there. So i have to restart my pc for it to respond. So i couldnt do it all night long
[09:30] <andriana20> )
[09:31] <andriana20> His system is currently running windows 7 32-bit
[09:32] <andriana20> It was a crapshoot
[09:32] <andriana20> Mobo is Microstar LS-7135 (Socket 940)
[09:35] <diogenes_> andriana20, first i'd not use rufus but either etcher or win32diskimager, and for such ancient hardware i'd use antiX which is a Greek distro btw.
[09:36] <andriana20> Will the software used to make my flash drive bootable fix the error?
[09:37] <andriana20> I was prompted to rufus through the lubuntu inst. guide
[09:39] <diogenes_> andriana20, i shared what i'd do, you decide to follow or now, everything is a trial and error method, you try and see.
[09:39] <diogenes_> not*
[09:39] <andriana20> Is there anything wrong with the lubuntu version I decided to use?
[09:40] <andriana20> I think booting my rufus flash drive worked fine, right?
[09:40] <andriana20> I can't imagine how that would be the source of my issue
[09:40] <diogenes_> Lubunto is for low spec hardware but low spec doesn't necessarily mean old.
[09:41] <andriana20> Wait, what do you mean?
[09:41] <diogenes_> and i'd not use rufus.
[09:41] <andriana20> That lubuntu is not suited for that system?
[09:42] <andriana20> Ok, which is my best option instead of rufus?
[09:43] <andriana20> I mean, etcher, win32dmanager, antiX
[09:43] <andriana20> I want to lock in 1 choice
[09:43] <diogenes_> andriana20, https://etcher.download/#Download_Your_Copy_Of_Etcher
[09:44] <guiverc> I tested Lubuntu 18.04, 18.10 & 19.04 on older hardware than yours andriana20 , but always with 1GB ram (or more)
[09:44] <andriana20> Okay
[09:44] <andriana20> Oh..
[09:44] <andriana20> Does that mean..
[09:45] <andriana20> My ram is insufficient to run it live?
[09:45] <diogenes_> andriana20, but in any case, even if you are lucky and you install any distro on 512MB or RAM, as soon as you open a webpage in the browser, your system will froze.
[09:46] <andriana20> Wait a minute. So you're saying i'd rather stay on windows 7 32-bit?
[09:46] <andriana20> I thought lubuntu optimizes performance and response time for such systems
[09:47] <diogenes_> is that system running win7? i don't believe.
[09:47] <guiverc> andriana20, diogenes_ has already given his suggestion (antix),  if lubuntu 18.04 doesn't suit, I'd suggest pure debian
[09:47] <andriana20> Of course it is
[09:47] <andriana20> It is nice to hear a second perspective
[09:48] <andriana20> But i kept your adivce guiverc
[09:48] <diogenes_> ok then you've been given a few choices already, make up your mind and pick what you think suits you better.
[09:48] <andriana20> Guys..
[09:48] <andriana20> This system was purchased about 2006
[09:49] <andriana20> I mean, it had to run at least one kind of OS
[09:49] <andriana20> Anyhow
[09:49] <andriana20> I am asking you guys because of your experience
[09:50] <andriana20> I get that annoying error
[09:51] <andriana20> Should I change anything in my methods? Do you know what the problem is?
[09:53] <andriana20> I at least want to understand what you mean by t
[09:53] <andriana20> if lubuntu 18.04 doesn't suit, I'd suggest pure debian
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Cpu: amd sempron 3000+ palermo 90nm (64-bit) , and 512MB of ram. I …], Which pc he has?
 Did you try to enter into boot menu first and then choose the ...wait does that device have uefi?
[09:58] <andriana20> No, I don't think so
[09:59] <andriana20> It's got the classic Blue Bios Boot menu
[09:59] <andriana20> DEL button for Bios, F11 for Setup I think
[09:59] <andriana20> DEL button for Boot**
[10:00] <andriana20> Only problem is, I couldn't see my flash hdd as boot device
[10:00] <andriana20> So i installed an extended bios menu that actually detected it
[10:10] <andriana20> guiverc I will do what you suggested. Do i Have to do something with my Rufus Flash drive right now to de-Rufus it? Or shall I just delete the files and it's good as new?
[10:12] <guiverc> I've never used rufus, so cannot advise with rufus
[10:13] <andriana20> Ok..
[10:14] <andriana20> Can you give me a quick summary of the process I shall follow? Download the alternate 18.04.4, burn it on my usb stick, and then what do i do on that pc?
[10:14] <andriana20> Shall i use my extended bios menu again to run from my usb stick.
[10:15] <andriana20> Or does that installer follow a dofferent process?
[10:17] <guiverc> andriana20, I haven't used the debian installer in a very long time, I cannot advise sorry. (blue background is all that comes to mind, but i'll be confusing too many installations to be of help).. as for booting, each box is somewhat different & I don't know your box.
[10:17] <guiverc> in your case, I'd do a VM install on a local machine now, or before you go... so you're familiar with it...
[10:18] <andriana20> Its alright
[10:19] <andriana20> If the process goes smooth, i dont mind first time encounters
[10:19] <andriana20> Its just that print_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0 i m afraid
[10:20] <andriana20> Imagine a full screen command prompt, that the system is running commands on its own and ends up print_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0
[10:21] <andriana20> And stays there indefinitely
[10:21] <guiverc> I think that's just a message, not your issue..  the last message written before your issue.  but opinion only
[10:21] <andriana20> What do you mean by the last message before your issue?
[10:23] <guiverc> different messages (warnings etc) get printed... they are not always the error that kills the install/program, but clues as to where it is (what it had done), more than the problem itself..
[10:25] <andriana20> Hey
[10:37] <andriana20> By the way, i ran a performance test on my main pc and it stated that it is suffering from excessive memory paging
[10:38] <andriana20> Isn't it odd?
[10:38] <andriana20> I got 4 gb of ram
[11:24] <andriana20>  Hi guiverc
[11:24] <andriana20> Sorry, which burning software did you recommend me to use? Chat history expired
[11:26] <guiverc> a browser can show all chat history; https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/07/16/%23lubuntu.txt, I don't think I've ever written an ISO from windows
[11:26] <andriana20> Diogenes suggested me 3 programs
[11:27] <andriana20> I think antix and 2 other
[11:28] <andriana20> I'll check it out, thx
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> guiverc I will do what you suggested. Do i Have to do something wit …], U need to format it manually.
[11:30] <andriana20> Lubot So rufus is excluded?
[11:30] <andriana20> Oh, got it
[11:30] <diogenes_> andriana20, ISO writing software: 1. Etcher you can find it here: https://etcher.download/#Download_Your_Copy_Of_Etche 2. win32diskimager - https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ and anitX is NOT a burning software, antiX is a Linux Distribution same as Lubuntu but it's based on Debian.
[11:31] <andriana20> diogenes_ alright, that helped quite well
 @guiverc [<guiverc> a browser can show all chat history; https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/0 …], U want to install windows or linux?
[11:31] <andriana20> lubot lubuntu
[11:32] <andriana20> Check my pc specs
[11:32] <andriana20> Its ancient
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> lubot lubuntu], Rufus or etcher.
[11:32] <andriana20> Lubot ok
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Check my pc specs], I dont need to.
 And you might want to try to boot from  a usb as well if you have one. An sdcard with at least 4gb memory will also work
[11:33] <andriana20> Lubot do you know what causes print_req_error io error dev fd0 sector 0 every time i initiated a lubuntu 18.10 installation from bios?
[11:34] <andriana20> I did it using rufus on my usb drive
[11:34] <andriana20> My default boot menu couldn t detect the usb stick, so I used an extended bios menu and it booted
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Lubot do you know what causes print_req_error io error dev fd0 sect …], 1. Who is lubot? … 2. Try to quote the msg or mention the person you are referring for clarity
[11:35] <andriana20> Ok
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> My default boot menu couldn t detect the usb stick, so I used an ex …], Are things like secure boot disabled?
[11:35] <andriana20> I am not refering to any message or me tion
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> I am not refering to any message or me tion], Still, if you dont do that i dont get any notification so i never know if u replied .
 Makes sense?
[11:36] <andriana20> Your question is on point, and I have to answer that I did not check
[11:36] <andriana20> I did not disable secure boot manually
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Your question is on point, and I have to answer that I did not chec …], Check. And you arent quoting still
[11:37] <andriana20> I am not familiar with this chat
[11:37] <andriana20> Lubot is it ok now?
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> I am not familiar with this chat], Just swipe from right to left on a msg to quote the msg. … Or use @ and then username to mention the person
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Lubot is it ok now?], Who tf is lubot lol
[11:38] <andriana20> @lubot for some reason swiping isnt working
[11:38] <andriana20> @lubot so thats all that can be done
[11:39] <diogenes_> andriana20, it's not lubot, lubot is just a robot, not a humab being, when you see something like this: Lubot <nihal697> then, the person name is actually nihal697 and not Lubot.
[11:39] <diogenes_> human*
[11:39] <andriana20> Damn
[11:39] <andriana20> Got me confused as hell
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @lubot for some reason swiping isnt working], My username is nihal697 … Who tf is lubot lmao
 @diogenes_> andriana20, it's not lubot, lubot is just a robot, not a humab being, when you see something like this: Lubot <nihal697 [<diogenes_> andriana20, it's not lubot, lubot is just a robot, not a humab being …], Thanks
[11:40] <andriana20> Nihal just try to give me an easy time here, its the firs time i use this chat
[11:40] <diogenes_> and nihal697 doesn't know about lubot either because he is probably in telegram chat and not on IRC.
[11:40] <andriana20> Ok
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Nihal just try to give me an easy time here, its the firs time i us …], I m not even mocking or yelling, just helping you out so i might help you out.
 @diogenes_ [<diogenes_> and nihal697 doesn't know about lubot either because he is probably …], Yep.
 Did you check for secure boot?
[11:41] <andriana20> @nihal697 i am not on telegram, so no swipe function here, Plus you are not included in mention list cause u re from telegram
[11:41] <andriana20> Can we get to the issue now?
[11:41] <andriana20> How do I do that?
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 i am not on telegram, so no swipe function here, Plus you …], Just mention @nihal697 like you did now whenever you are referring to me. Thats okay as well.
[11:42] <andriana20> I read somewhere that I should do that, but dodn't do it eventually
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> How do I do that?], In boot settings there shud be an option named secure boot
 Shud be disabled
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> I read somewhere that I should do that, but dodn't do it eventually], Nice
[11:42] <andriana20> @nihal697 yes, nice
[11:43] <andriana20> @nihal697 how do I navigate to secure boot disabling?
[11:43] <diogenes_> secure boot in 2006?
[11:44] <andriana20> My mobo is MS-7135 socket 939
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 how do I navigate to secure boot disabling?], When you boot the pc, press the key that takes you to boot settings.  While checking the drive? … Did you do a system check on usb for errors?
 Before booting it up
[11:47] <andriana20> Yes i did a memory test
[11:47] <andriana20> I mean
[11:48] <andriana20> @nihal697 It gets me to this blue Lubuntu menu, it says Start Lubuntu, check disc for defects, Test memory and Boot from first hard disk
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Yes i did a memory test], Memory test it said? … I mean the test After booting the usb when you choose to reboot into lubuntu
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 It gets me to this blue Lubuntu menu, it says Start Lubun …], Check disc for defects
 Did u run that?
[11:49] <andriana20> @nihal697 I press Start Lubuntu, I get a black full screen command prompt, some commands are executed, then it transitions to a new same one, and i get that error and get stuck st that unfinished command
[11:50] <andriana20> So it never boots
[11:50] <andriana20> Lubuntu never starts
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 I press Start Lubuntu, I get a black full screen command …], Do  a disc check first
[11:50] <andriana20> I get stuck at that black screen with commands executed
[11:50] <andriana20> What disk check?
 It shows you if the bootable was created properly
[11:50] <andriana20> My disk is fine
 check disc for defects
 Jesus fuckin christ
[11:50] <andriana20> Wait
[11:51] <andriana20> Jesus won't help
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> My disk is fine], Its not the disk but the check for yoor bootable.
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Jesus won't help], Looks like he technically cant
 Now do a disk check thn whininh
[11:51] <andriana20> @nihal697 version 18.10 which i attempted to install i am unsure if it had the option check disc for defects. The other 3 were definitely included
[11:52] <guiverc> In https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/_images/boot_installer.png it's the third option in the menu, it validates your write to media
[11:52] <andriana20> Yes
[11:52] <andriana20> Thats where i read the options from
[11:52] <andriana20> I cant exactly remember if they were the exact same yesterday
[11:52] <andriana20> There were 4 options, not 5!
[11:53] <andriana20> Because these options differ from lubuntu version to another
 Its better u just boot it up and see now?
[11:53] <guiverc> andriana20, the options can vary on your hardware... so may differ slightly despite you booting the same thumb-drive on multiple boxes..
[11:53] <andriana20> Right now i am not at my friends computer
 Ping when you are at it
[11:53] <andriana20> Besides, i erased version 18.10 as guiverc told me
 Cuz blind guessing + theory not gonna lead us anywhere
[11:54] <andriana20> And booted 18.04 alternative imagine on my usb stick just now
[11:54] <andriana20> Alright
[11:54] <guiverc> the logo will be different for 18.04, but otherwise it'll be ~same (though I'm not sure the alternate installer has that option now)
 Doesnt matter which version you boot up, our concern is to boot it up.
[11:54] <andriana20> @nihal697 i will be there in exactly 2 hours and 30 mins
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 i will be there in exactly 2 hours and 30 mins], I hope im free at that time. But make sure to check disk before booting up. It shud be somewhere in the screen if not upfront
[11:56] <andriana20> @nihal697 guiverc told me not to install 18.10 because the system's RAM 512MB won't be able to boot version 18.10
 In fact u shud check disk before installing any os
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 guiverc told me not to install 18.10 because the system's …], Cant comment on that really as i have nver tried it on 512 mb ram personally but 2gb one.
 Still if you wanna try you can create two bootables
 Or just use the older
[11:57] <andriana20> @nihal697 He said that 18.10 uses an installer that cannot be booted Live on such a small Ram bandwith
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 He said that 18.10 uses an installer that cannot be boote …], As i said, i have no idea. I just personally test myself in the name of hope.
 Its ur choice
[11:58] <andriana20> @nihal697 And that only Alternate image isos such as 18.04 bypass the live running and directly install
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 And that only Alternate image isos such as 18.04 bypass t …], Hm
[11:59] <andriana20> @nihal697 Is that corrent?
[11:59] <andriana20> @nihal697 I shall also download telegram to show you pictures too
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 Is that corrent?], Corrent?
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 I shall also download telegram to show you pictures too], Sure.
[12:00] <andriana20> @nihal697 Correct*
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 Correct*], Oh. … I have no idea about that to be honest. You can cross check it by web searching.
 Or can try yourself as booting doesnt harm
[12:01] <andriana20> Sure
[12:02] <andriana20> @nihal697 Try myself what?
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 Try myself what?], Booting both to see what happens.
[12:03] <andriana20> Ok, but as I said, i have no access to that computer right now
[12:03] <andriana20> We will check it in 2:30 hrs
[12:03] <andriana20> Are you guys in usa?
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Ok, but as I said, i have no access to that computer right now], Doesnt make any difference . U can do it whenever its available
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Are you guys in usa?], I m in pajeetland
[12:04] <andriana20> @nihal697 Oh, sweeden?
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 Oh, sweeden?], Nah. Pajeetland is a country
[12:04] <andriana20> That's funny
 Where pajeets are originally from
 Whats funny ?
[12:05] <andriana20> No such country exists
[12:05] <andriana20> It's a pity to be hide the soviety you live in
[12:06] <andriana20> But i am a computer science student, I know how this community fonds hoding locstions etc
[12:06] <andriana20> Or better yet this anonymity complex
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> No such country exists], It does.
[12:07] <andriana20> Sure
[12:08] <andriana20> Maybe in a meme fantasy world
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> Maybe in a meme fantasy world], No. Search for pajeets online.
[12:09] <andriana20> Until then, let's keep using our national Telecommunications services to get online
[12:10] <andriana20> @nihal697 So, that would make you Indian
[12:10] <andriana20> Or a troller
[12:10] <andriana20> Lel
 @andriana20 [<andriana20> @nihal697 So, that would make you Indian], Ah yes, our old name.
[13:28] <iffraff> Hi, I have an app that starts up a browser.  Some how i knows the worst place to put it and the worst size to make it :)  Is there any way to at least influence where the browser starts up?  e.g. I have two monitors.  I'd just be happy if it started on the left monitor.  I feel like it used to as well.  Any thoughts appreciated
[13:29] <iffraff> This may seem tivial, but the app is an e2e test runner so I'm spawing browsers over and over when I'm developing and its super frustrating.
[14:15] <iffraff> Perhaps this isn't the right group. should I post this in ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:16] <iffraff> or somewhere else even?
[14:16] <ardag> hi
 This would be the correct group ish
 You should look for default application or preferred applications
 There you should hopefully or maybe have an option to do so.
[14:18] <iffraff> lubot: :) in the ubuntu settings right? not the test runner?
 are you testing/using lubuntu or ubuntu?
 It also depends what Desktop Environment you're using.
[14:19] <iffraff> I'm using ubuntu 20.04
[14:20] <iffraff> I don't see anyting helpful in settings, perhaps in "tweaks"
[14:20] <ardag> same im use too
[14:23] <iffraff> lubot: I don't see anything in settings.  I thought this is a long shot.
[14:23] <iffraff> Here's a more interesting question perhaps
[14:24] <iffraff> I'm running ubuntu 20.04.  I have a bluetooth ear thing.  The system is picking up the bluetooth headset as a speacker but does not recognize the microphone.  Does anyone know how I could get it to register?
[14:32] <Munsko> iffraff, it does not show you the microphone?
[14:33] <Munsko> i mean, it does not appear in the list
[14:33] <iffraff> Munsko: so in settings no,  the ear piece shows up in speakers list but not in mic list
[14:34] <Munsko> the microphone is separated or its with the ear thing?
[14:36] <iffraff> it's all one tiny little ear bud thing.  Like an apple ear ...thing, but way cheaper
[14:37] <Munsko> hmm, i see
[14:37] <Munsko> have you tried conenct it with another device?
[14:37] <Munsko> (like a phone)
[14:37] <Munsko> just to be sure that the problem is that dont work in the pc(or if the problem is the ear thing)
[14:38] <iffraff> well, no, I should have thoguth of that.  I'll give that a try.  One moment
[14:40] <iffraff> yep works on my phone
[14:40] <Munsko> so the problem is on the pc
[14:41] <Munsko> what application you use to connect via usb?
[14:41] <Munsko> (you can check that in the package manager searching for "bluetooth")
[14:43] <iffraff> just native, whatever comes with bluetooth.  I just got to bluetooth settings, pair, then go to sound setting and test.
[14:43] <Munsko> there's various applications
[14:44] <Munsko> thats why i ask
[14:44] <iffraff> Arrgg, I'm sorry I was mistaken, the ear piece DOES show up under mic but it does not show any sound coming through, by which I mean ther's a litte "progress bar" that should bounce when it hears sound
[14:44] <iffraff> yes I will check the application one sec
[14:45] <iffraff> er,  what would the command be for apt-get?
[14:45] <Munsko> so it does not recognize the speaker
[14:45] <Munsko> check it on graphical package manager
[14:45] <Munsko> if you have it
[14:45] <Munsko> like synaptic, muon, etc
[14:45] <Munsko> you will find it on the menu
[14:45] <iffraff> sorry, no it recognizes both the speaker and the mic, however when testing the in the sound settings, speaker works but mic does not.
[14:47] <Munsko> i see, so it recognizes but dont seems to work
[14:47] <Munsko> you app is blueman?
[14:47] <Munsko> (since you are in gnome,that should be the default i think)
[14:48] <iffraff> so in the "Ubuntu Software" gui under installed it does not show any bluetooth stuff.  when I search for bluetooth it only shows stuff under "explore"  is there a cli command I could use/
[14:49] <Munsko> hmm
[14:49] <Munsko> what you see when you search for "blueman"?
[14:49] <Munsko> its a bluetooth program
[14:50] <iffraff> so it says "no applications found"
[14:50] <iffraff> perhaps blueman is not updated for 20.04?
[14:52] <Munsko> no
[14:52] <apt-ghetto> !info blueman
[14:52] <Munsko> check if you have another program like ubuntu software
[14:52] <Munsko> like synapic package manager
[14:52] <Munsko> and check it there
[14:52] <Munsko> i never liked the ubuntu software center
[14:52] <Munsko> but i can guide yourself in that one since im in lubuntu, not ubuntu
[14:52] <Munsko> cant*
[14:53] <Munsko> so check if you have another program for package maager like the synaptic
[14:54] <iffraff> I don't seem to. I never liked it either, I usually just go commnad line  maybe I can search for it via apt-get
[14:54] <Munsko> hmm
[14:55] <Munsko> i discourage that, and more if you dont are sure of what you are using
[14:55] <Munsko> !info synaptic
[14:55] <Munsko> i sugget you install synaptic
[14:55] <Munsko> using the ubuntu software manager
[14:55] <Munsko> and then check "blueman" there
[14:55] <Munsko> its very useful application
[14:57] <iffraff> mmm, is that spelled correctly? I'm just getting "Validity fingerprint Sensors Linux Tools"
[14:58] <iffraff> so here's what I have in apt for bluetooth ( I hope this dosn't blow up irc )
[14:58] <iffraff> gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0/focal,now 3.34.1-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[14:58] <iffraff> gnome-bluetooth/focal,now 3.34.1-1 amd64 [installed]
[14:58] <iffraff> libbluetooth3/focal,now 5.53-0ubuntu3 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[14:58] <iffraff> libgnome-bluetooth13/focal,now 3.34.1-1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[14:58] <iffraff> pulseaudio-module-bluetooth/focal-updates,now 1:13.99.1-1ubuntu3.3 amd64 [installed]
[14:59] <Munsko> i see
[14:59] <Munsko> maybe you could try search with apt "blueman"
[14:59] <Munsko> that application have more options i think
[15:00] <Munsko> you get that message from the ubuntu sofware center?(validity fingerprint...)
[15:01] <apt-ghetto> !paste | iffraff
[15:02] <iffraff> apt has synaptic - Graphical package manager
[15:03] <iffraff> more evidence that the Ubuntu Software gui is .. no bueno
[15:03] <Munsko> you should install synaptic
[15:03] <Munsko> with apt
[15:03] <Munsko> and then check for "bluetooth" in that app
[15:03] <Munsko> synaptic is a safe thing btw
[15:04] <Munsko> it was included in older versions of ubuntu
[15:04] <Munsko> but someway they quite it on the base setup
[15:04] <Munsko> from the*
[15:04] <iffraff> in process
[15:06] <iffraff> right so yes ther eare lots of entries under bluetooth.  including bluemon ( with an o ), bluetooth ( from ubuntu )
[15:07] <iffraff> and bluedevil  KDE Bluetooth stach
[15:08] <Munsko> blueman is there?
[15:08] <Munsko> check if its installed or not
[15:08] <iffraff> yea, it's ther too but maybe because I just installed it using apt :)
[15:09] <Munsko> i see
[15:09] <Munsko> so you have it now?
[15:09] <Munsko> try check your problem with that app
[15:09] <Munsko> you will find it as "Bluetooth Manager"
[15:12] <iffraff> HA!  so "bluetooth manager" has nothing, nor blueman and bluetooth just has the system settings BUT now the ding dang thing works!  so perhaps installing blueman installed som drivers:)
[15:12] <iffraff> yay!  thank you Munsko
[15:24] <Munsko> iffraff, now it works?
[15:24] <iffraff> yep! :)
[15:24] <Munsko> so you are using blueman or the one from before?
[15:26] <iffraff> So what I did was was apt install blueman ( and also synaptic ) then paired my device went to sound settings check mic and the sound did register when I spoke.
[15:26] <iffraff> sooo who knows :)
[15:26] <Munsko> i see, the important thing is that works
[15:27] <Munsko> if you have any other problem, you can ask here or #ubuntu, which is the official channel for ubuntu and have a lot of people(you have more chance of get your answer there if you use ubuntu)
[15:28] <iffraff> cool thanks.  I didn't even notice the l until you mentioned it.  This channel came default with Quassel.  Thanks again for you help.
[15:28] <iffraff> Actually do you have any thoughts on my earlier quiestion re: where the browser spawns?
[15:29] <apt-ghetto> With Gnome, I think, the browser opens on the monitor, where the mouse pointer is.
[15:30] <Munsko> iffraff,  i dont have idea about that, sorry
[15:31] <iffraff> Munsko: ok, thanks.
[15:31] <iffraff> apt-ghetto: I tried that but I don't think it works in this case
[15:32] <iffraff> so I have an app that ( actually a test runner, and the test runner ) opens the browser.  I have the test runner gui in the left screen, and the mouse focused in the left screen and the browser starts in the right window
[15:33] <iffraff> right screen
[15:34] <apt-ghetto> iffraff: With test runner you mean something like Selenium?
[15:34] <iffraff> yes, except it's called cypres and iT"S WAY BETTER :)  it does not use selenium under the hood
[15:40] <apt-ghetto> I am not a tester, but I guess, the frameworks normally are run on servers without graphical environment. It is enough to get the results of the test.
[15:41] <iffraff> yes, but in development the gui is supppper helpful.  If you are a fullstack or front end dev you should really check it out
[15:41] <iffraff> then figure out the browser location issue and let me know :)
[16:13] <andriana20> Guys
[16:13] <andriana20> I am in dire need for help
[16:14] <andriana20> Could someone assist me please?
[16:14] <akem> Ask your question.
[16:15] <andriana20> I just installed my Lubuntu 18.04 , 32-bit
[16:15] <andriana20> It was all nice and set, i even downloaded some updates for the software that the system adviced me to
[16:15] <andriana20> But i had one issue with my resolution. It was stuck at 640*480
[16:16] <andriana20> So i searched online, and i did the following
[16:16] <andriana20> The system didn t offer me a resolution choice
[16:16] <andriana20> Through screen preferences
[16:16] <andriana20> So I opened the terminal and hit
[16:17] <andriana20> sudo nano etc/default/grub
[16:18] <andriana20> Then i searched the line # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)#GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[16:18] <andriana20> And changed it to # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[16:18] <andriana20> I saved the file
[16:18] <andriana20> And then hit sudo update-grub
[16:18] <andriana20> It looked like it worked perfectly
[16:19] <andriana20> I went again at preferences, and now I could choose 1280*720 , 72 hz (my screen default)
[16:19] <andriana20> So i click on it, and then click on save changes
[16:20] <andriana20> Then for some reason, the screen doesnt change resolution, the choice locks on 640*480 again, despite the file staying on its change form
[16:20] <akem> You don't have to change the file /etc/default/grub afaik.
[16:20] <andriana20> So I normally turn off my computer, and now every time I turn it on, lubuntu won't even boot up
[16:20] <akem> Do you run the system right now?
[16:21] <akem> Ha...
[16:21] <andriana20> It stays on a black screen, with a text input prompt kndefinitely
[16:21] <andriana20> Did I mess up?
[16:22] <andriana20> One user said that helped him
[16:22] <andriana20> ... i dont understand what went wrong here
[16:23] <andriana20> Hello?
[16:23] <akem> Well, yeah. You probably need to  manually enter the commands to boot. It will be faster if you just reinstall. The other option is to boot from a live USB and undo the modifications / update grub but it's a bit annoying, you have to chroot etc IIRC...boot repair may work...Just wipe it off and reinstall, then come back for the screen resolution but don't touch anything that has to do with grub.
[16:24] <andriana20> Sorry, but this computer is on 512MB of ram, so i cant run any live OS
[16:24] <andriana20> I used the 18.04 alternative iso
[16:24] <apt-ghetto> Do you see the Grub menu?
[16:24] <andriana20> Maybe I can now, idk
[16:24] <akem> Reinstalling will be much faster than messing with the system again.
[16:24] <andriana20> I see an empty black screen with only a text promot
[16:24] <andriana20> And i cannot type anything
[16:25] <andriana20> This is where i end up after the booting of my mobo ends (press del for boot menu and f11 for setup)
[16:25] <akem> Only 512 MB of RAM ? :X
[16:25] <andriana20> Yes
[16:25] <andriana20> I was running windows 7 32bit originally
[16:25] <andriana20> What should i do now?
[16:26] <andriana20> It's a 2006 pc, and lubuntu worked perfectly
[16:26] <andriana20> Until THIS haplened
[16:26] <andriana20> happened*
[16:26] <akem> I would reinstall, but 512 MB is low even for LUbuntu. Can't you add another 512 MB more?
[16:26] <andriana20> At the moment, i need to reboot the system sir
[16:26] <apt-ghetto> If you press CTRL + ALT + F5 do you get a login prompt?
[16:26] <andriana20> It is my friends pc and i dont want to hand him this thing
[16:27] <andriana20> No i dont
[16:27] <apt-ghetto> If it is your friend, then I never would hand this thing, unless the friend owns a computer museum.
[16:27] <andriana20> It says No caching mode page found
[16:27] <akem> :)
[16:28] <andriana20> Assuming drive cache: write through
[16:28] <andriana20> The only thing that matters is to deliver back a functional computer ffs
[16:28] <akem> You'll waist your time, just reinstall.
[16:28] <andriana20> Ok, restart pc?
[16:29] <andriana20> Fuck
[16:29] <andriana20> I forgot
[16:29] <apt-ghetto> !language | andriana20
[16:29] <andriana20> I booted lubuntu through an extended bios menu on windows 7
[16:29] <andriana20> Which doesnt exist anymore as i installed lubuntu clear
[16:29] <andriana20> Cause the bios wouldnt detect my flash drive
[16:30] <andriana20> How can i get my default bios to boot from my usb flash drive?
[16:31] <akem> Try another USB stick, or maybe you have a DVD on that machine?
[16:31] <andriana20> Its not the stick's issue
[16:31] <andriana20> This is the stick i install lubuntu in the first llace
[16:31] <andriana20> Its the fact that the default bios of my system cant find my usb i think
[16:31] <andriana20> Wait
[16:32] <andriana20> When i get into boot menu, it only has Floppy, Hard Disk and CDROM choices
[16:32] <andriana20> No usb hdd
[16:32] <andriana20> .......
[16:32] <akem> Double check your BIOS boot options/order, you may also have a FX keys like F9 or F11 etc at bootime that will pop up the boot drive option.
[16:33] <andriana20> Can i do some bios settings to counter that?
[16:33] <akem> Go look into your bios with your stick plugged maybe.
[16:34] <andriana20> Advanced bios features
[16:34] <andriana20> Boot Sequence
[16:35] <andriana20> 1st boot device gives me the following choices: Floppy, ls120, hard disk, CDROM, Zip, USB-FDD, USB-ZIP, USB-CDROM, LEGACY LAN, DISABLED
[16:37] <andriana20> Hello?
[16:37] <akem> I would try USB-CDROM and then USB-FDD :X
[16:37] <akem> But it may not work i think you need USB-HDD.
[16:37] <akem> You'll probably have to boot with something else.
[16:38] <andriana20> Damn
[16:38] <andriana20> Even after i changed these, it still gives me the same boot options
[16:38] <andriana20> I have messed up
[16:38] <andriana20> Ugh
[16:39] <akem> It's old hardware.
[16:39] <akem> You gotta boot with an oldschool Linux CD.
[16:39] <andriana20> I need it back working man
[16:39] <akem> Like Knoppix for example.
[16:39] <andriana20> But cd only has 700mb of capacity
[16:39] <akem> Yeah.
[16:40] <andriana20> I cant use lubuntu on it
[16:40] <akem> But even if you boot Knoppix, i don't know how you could install LUbuntu from there :P
[16:41] <andriana20> Is there any lubuntu version lowwr than 700mb?
[16:41] <andriana20> An iso?
[16:41] <akem> You still have the option to reinstall Win7.
[16:42] <andriana20> How?
[16:42] <apt-ghetto> You can download for example the Gentoo minimal installation cd and boot from it, then chroot into the installed Lubuntu, fix the problems and reboot
[16:42] <akem> No idea. Check the download section.
[16:42] <apt-ghetto> Important is that the architecture of the iso is the same as the installed systemd
[16:42] <akem> It can be a bit tricky if you don't know about Linux tho.
[16:43] <andriana20> I have no idea about linux
[16:43] <andriana20> It is the first time
[16:43] <apt-ghetto> And your friend does know Linux?
[16:43] <andriana20> Why can i just not boot it from my flash drive . Ffs
[16:43] <andriana20> No guys. Its a damn 2005 pc that i promised to make run smoothly
[16:43] <andriana20> Using lubuntu
[16:43] <andriana20> Now its all fcked up
[16:44] <akem> Easiest for you is to get a Win7 install CD.
[16:44] <akem> :P
[16:44] <andriana20> You mean buy it?
[16:45] <akem> You can download from the internet if you don't have it, you just need the license key.
[16:45] <andriana20> I ll have to . Yes
[16:45] <apt-ghetto> Win7 is out of support, it might be a bit difficult to find an official download for it.
[16:45] <andriana20> I dont xare
[16:45] <andriana20> Care
[16:45] <andriana20> I have to
[16:45] <andriana20> One way ay another
[16:46] <akem> Look for a torrent...But your OEM key may not work with all versions. Anyway it's offtopic now :X
[16:47] <akem> Good luck with your machine ;)
[16:47] <andriana20> I ve found no luck until now
[16:48] <andriana20> Right now I am steps back from where it all started
[16:48] <andriana20> I just wanted a normal screen resolution
[16:49] <andriana20> Oh
[16:49] <apt-ghetto> 640x480 is a normal screen resolution
[16:49] <andriana20> Maybe i got lucky
[16:49] <andriana20> Not for this sytem
[16:49] <andriana20> It now says GNU GRUB version 2.02
[16:49] <apt-ghetto> Then press the key "E"
[16:50] <andriana20> AND 4 CHOICES: UBUNTU, ADVANCES OPTIONS FOR UBUNTU, MEMORY TEST(MEMTEST86+), MEMORY TEST (MEMTEST86+, SERIAL CONSOLE 115200)
[16:51] <andriana20> Use the up and down keys to select which entry is highlighted. Press enter to boot the selected OS,
[16:51] <andriana20> 'e' to edit commands before booting or 'c' for a command line
[16:51] <andriana20> What should I do now??
[16:52] <apt-ghetto> Press e and then you can edit
[16:52] <andriana20> Ok
[16:52] <andriana20> Now??
[16:52] <andriana20> setparams 'Ubuntu'
[16:53] <andriana20> recordfail, load_video, gfxmode $linux_gfx_mode, insmod gzio etc
[16:54] <apt-ghetto> what shows the line with "linux   /boot/vmlinuz-....."?
[16:54] <andriana20> Nothing, its just text editing
[16:55] <apt-ghetto> Surprisingly, I know that
[16:55] <andriana20> If [  x$grub_platform = xxen ]; then insmod xzio; insmod lzopio; fi
[16:55] <andriana20> Insmod part_msdos
[16:56] <andriana20> Insmod ext2
[16:56] <andriana20> Set root='hd0,msdos1'
[16:57] <andriana20> If [z$feature_platform_search_hint = xy ] then search --nofloppy --fs-uuid --setroot --hint-bios=hd0, msdos1 --\
[16:58] <andriana20> I need to upload some oictures
[16:59] <andriana20> Here https://ibb.co/09Txd67
[16:59] <andriana20> This is what k see
[16:59] <andriana20> And it has some more text
[17:01] <andriana20> https://ibb.co/cc4sYr8
[17:01] <andriana20> Can you see it?
[17:02] <andriana20> Is this any help?
[17:03] <apt-ghetto> Everything looks good and normal
[17:04] <andriana20> Thank fck
[17:04] <apt-ghetto> You can delete the words "quiet splash" on the line with linux
[17:04] <apt-ghetto> and boot with F10, so you should see some kernel messages
[17:04] <andriana20> Ok so wait
[17:05] <andriana20> After i delete quiet splash, ro and $vt should have 1 space bar between?
[17:05] <apt-ghetto> yes
[17:05] <andriana20> Because ro and quiet has 2 space bars between
[17:06] <apt-ghetto> it does not matter
[17:06] <andriana20> Ok
[17:06] <andriana20> Now which bytton to save?
[17:06] <apt-ghetto> F10
[17:06] <andriana20> Ok
[17:06] <andriana20> Welcome to ubuntu
[17:06] <andriana20> Many OK
[17:07] <andriana20> fck
[17:07] <andriana20> Back at the same page
[17:07] <andriana20> Take a look
[17:08] <andriana20> https://ibb.co/p4s6V8V
[17:08] <andriana20> After all those commands ran
[17:08] <andriana20> I am back here again
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> wait five minutes
[17:08] <andriana20> Ok
[17:08] <apt-ghetto> maybe you hear the harddisk?
[17:08] <andriana20> Uh
[17:09] <andriana20> I wouldnt say so.. :(
[17:09] <apt-ghetto> And after 5 minutes, press CTRL + ALT + F5
[17:10] <apt-ghetto> If you get a login prompt, you can try to login
[17:10] <andriana20> I m waiting
[17:13] <andriana20> I ll try it now
[17:14] <andriana20> Ctrl alt f5 does nothing
[17:14] <andriana20> Damn..
[17:15] <apt-ghetto> You can consider your project successfully failed
[17:15] <Munsko> andriana20, what about install windows xp with some cds?
[17:16] <andriana20> I can consider i ve already considered that
[17:16] <Munsko> i mean, ask somebody to burn a xp iso in 2 or 3 cd
[17:16] <andriana20> Munsko thats what i will do
[17:16] <Munsko> then you could use your program to install lubuntu
[17:16] <andriana20> Yeah..
[17:16] <apt-ghetto> Windows XP? Why not Windows 95 or Win 3.11?
[17:16] <Munsko> apt-ghetto, i dont see older windows versions good to conect to internet
[17:17] <Munsko> i mean, it could not recognize some hardware or drivers
[17:17] <andriana20> I did not originally have xp
[17:17] <andriana20> But windows 7
[17:17] <apt-ghetto> Munsko: But you see Win XP good to connect to the Internet?
[17:17] <Munsko> i think its a bit more "modern" in that way
[17:17] <andriana20> W7 32bit
[17:17] <Munsko> when w95 was released i think the internet was 56k
[17:18] <apt-ghetto> Every Windows system out of support should never see an active Internet connection
[17:18] <Munsko> of course not
[17:18] <Munsko> but between that and cant use a pc
[17:18] <andriana20> What the hell team
[17:18] <apt-ghetto> You can use a pc without internet, no problem
[17:19] <Munsko> yes, of course
[17:19] <andriana20> Yes guys
[17:19] <Munsko> but the idea here is install xp to install again ubuntu
[17:19] <andriana20> But the piece of software i used to extend my bios menu
[17:19] <andriana20> Was run on windows 7
[17:20] <Munsko> then you could try burn windows 7 in some cds
[17:20] <Munsko> with the help of another pc
[17:20] <andriana20> I said before, my bios cannot even access my usb flash drive
[17:20] <andriana20> So any os i install until i get to w7 has to be in a CD-r size
[17:20] <Munsko> but you said that cd was an option iirc
[17:20] <andriana20> It is an option
[17:21] <andriana20> But only cds
[17:21] <apt-ghetto> andriana20: Arch Linux or Gentoo
[17:21] <apt-ghetto> Both without a graphical user interface, but good to learn
[17:21] <andriana20> Once i get windows, i can download that software and install lubuntu again
[17:22] <andriana20> Guys, the pc is not mine. Right now i am not at home. This has to happen within a logic time frame
[17:22] <andriana20> I am not looking to learn how to program right now
[17:23] <Munsko> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/
[17:23] <Munsko> theres a version called "alternate"
[17:23] <andriana20> Ok
[17:23] <Munsko> which is 722mb
[17:23] <andriana20> But i want lubuntu
[17:23] <Munsko> its lubuntu
[17:23] <andriana20> It only has 512mb of ram
[17:23] <andriana20> Oh, ok
[17:23] <andriana20> Got to reach a pc and find a cd
[17:24] <andriana20> Cd-r or cd-rw?
[17:24] <Munsko> no idea about that
[17:24] <apt-ghetto> cd-r  is better
[17:24] <apt-ghetto> and burn it slowly to avoid errors
[17:25] <andriana20> Can someone give me a link of this chat history llg?
[17:25] <andriana20> I dont want to lose the link u sent me, i m on a phone
[17:25] <Munsko> just a minute
[17:26] <andriana20> Oh, wait a minute.
[17:26] <andriana20> Once i install 16.04, will i be able to go back to 18.04 ?
[17:26] <apt-ghetto> 16.04 is out of support
[17:27] <apt-ghetto> Take 18.04 or let it be
[17:27] <Munsko> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso
[17:27] <andriana20> How will I take18.04 if i can only install through a cd rom?
[17:27] <Munsko> thats the 18.04
[17:27] <Munsko> 715mb
[17:27] <andriana20> That was the one i installed today!!!
[17:27] <Munsko> the logs arent updated
[17:27] <andriana20> i already have that!!
[17:27] <Munsko> so it will dont show this mssg
[17:27] <Munsko> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23lubuntu.html
[17:27] <andriana20> Will it fit in a cd r???
[17:27] <Munsko> but there it is
[17:28] <andriana20> Fk
[17:28] <andriana20> 715mb equals.. 0.7 gb
[17:29] <Munsko> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/07/16/%23lubuntu.txt
[17:29] <Munsko> thats another, more secure link
[17:29] <Munsko> i remember you could install some things in a hard drive via another pc
[17:29] <Munsko> something called "slave hard drive"
[17:29] <Munsko> dont rememebr right the name
[17:30] <Munsko> the idea is connect your hard drive to another pc and do the instalation via that one
[17:33] <andriana20> But i cannot bring the whole system here
[17:33] <andriana20> Besides, what use could it be if the slave pc doesnt even run on an os?
[17:34] <Munsko> you could format the disk
[17:34] <Munsko> install an OS from the master pc to the slave hard disk
[17:34] <andriana20> No way i can bring two pc s in that room
[17:34] <Munsko> without having your cd or bios problem
[17:34] <Munsko> you need just to use the disk
[17:34] <andriana20> Only with a laptop
[17:34] <Munsko> extract the hard disk i think
[17:35] <andriana20> Munsko can you add me so we dont losebtouch?
[17:35] <andriana20> On instagram
[17:35] <Munsko> https://appuals.com/how-to-install-windows-10-on-external-hard-drive/
[17:35] <Munsko> i think thats some type of guide
[17:35] <Munsko> but i dont have ide how to do it
[17:35] <Munsko> idea*
[17:36] <andriana20> Can i not install windows 7 on a cd?
[17:36] <Munsko> i dont see it possible
[17:36] <Munsko> iso is more bigger than 700mb i think
[17:36] <Munsko> like 3 or 4GB
[17:36] <andriana20> Maybe find a way to fit 715mb?
[17:36] <Munsko> i dont think so
[17:37] <Munsko> try check that link
[17:37] <andriana20> Something that could be removed from it?
[17:37] <Munsko> if you can extract your hard disk
[17:37] <Munsko> you could try somebody install the os froma nother pc
[17:37] <Munsko> then plug it back in your pc
[17:38] <Munsko> but not sure if it will work
[17:55] <andriana20> @munso hello
[17:55] <andriana20> Munsko hello
[17:55] <andriana20> I returned
[17:55] <Munsko> hey
[17:55] <andriana20> Is there any chance the disk driver is stated as cd rom but in fact also support dvd
[17:56] <Munsko> im not sure about that
[17:56] <andriana20> Because I can't really make out how windows 7 were installed there in the first place!!
[17:56] <andriana20> I m sure it originally was windows xp, the commercial os of 2005
[17:57] <Munsko> i see
[17:57] <Munsko> but theres some OS that comes with a bunch of cds
[17:57] <Munsko> like 3 cds
[17:57] <Munsko> they could have installed it that way
[17:57] <andriana20> He did an unofficial format
[17:57] <andriana20> Dont think they used 3 cds
[17:58] <andriana20> Can i install ubuntu on 2cds??
[17:58] <Munsko> thats a good question
[17:58] <Munsko> maybe they use a dvd cd
[17:58] <Munsko> with another pc
[17:58] <andriana20> What is a dvd cd??
[17:58] <Munsko> and put the hard drive in that one
[17:58] <Munsko> DVD disk, sorry
[17:58] <andriana20> No way
[17:59] <andriana20> Its a 72 gb hdd
[17:59] <andriana20> If he changed it, it would be bigger
[17:59] <andriana20> Its the default hdd from 2005
[17:59] <Munsko> i mean, used the disk in another computer that have a DVD reader
[18:00] <Munsko> hard drive*
[18:00] <andriana20> Too complicated
[18:00] <andriana20> Dont think so
[18:01] <Munsko> or some mass method to install os in hard drives
[18:02] <andriana20> Ffs
[18:02] <andriana20> We re in a rural area
[18:03] <andriana20> Dont think too complex
[18:03] <andriana20> It was some time ago
[18:03] <Munsko> i mean an industry that make the drives
[18:03] <Munsko> to sell them in pcs
[18:03] <andriana20> NO...
[18:03] <andriana20> No industry munko
[18:03] <andriana20> It is the same hdd
[18:04] <Munsko> hmm+
[18:04] <Munsko> i see
[18:04] <Munsko> i suggest you to ask in ##hardware
[18:04] <Munsko> i ran out of ideas
[18:04] <Munsko> they should know how do the job
[18:05] <andriana20> Come on, it shouldnt be that complex
[18:05] <Munsko> it looks like that
[18:05] <Munsko> you dont have much options
[18:06] <andriana20> What size is the alternate
[18:06] <Munsko> like 715mb
[18:08] <Munsko> i dont think you could cut it more
[18:12] <andriana20> It has to read dvd
[18:12] <andriana20> No other way
[18:13] <andriana20> My friend told me the guy that inst w7 had a disk
[18:13] <andriana20> That disk had to be a dvd, otherwkse it makes no sense
[18:14] <andriana20> W7 32 bit is quite large size
[18:15] <Munsko> yes
[18:15] <Munsko> it should have a dvd reader
[18:15] <Munsko> and put in in the machien someway
[18:16] <Munsko> machine*
[18:16] <andriana20> Ok
[18:16] <andriana20> But is there any lubuntu version <700mb? Just in case
[18:16] <Munsko> hmm
[18:16] <Munsko> let me see
[18:17] <Munsko> 722 and 715 the less big
[18:18] <Munsko> you could also see how make your bios recogniz usb stick
[18:18] <andriana20> Which ones??
[18:18] <Munsko> 16.04 and 18.04
[18:18] <andriana20> 18.04 is 715??
[18:18] <Munsko> yes
[18:18] <andriana20> Ohh
[18:19] <andriana20> We re so close..
[18:19] <Munsko> yes, is a pity
[18:19] <andriana20> W7 32 bit sizes 2.38gb
[18:20] <andriana20> It has to add up
[18:21] <andriana20> Dvd technology has released 20 years now
[18:22] <Munsko> wait
[18:22] <Munsko> i found something
[18:22] <Munsko> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[18:22] <Munsko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods
[18:22] <Munsko> it should allow you to make a minimmal installation and with internet just download to get the full distro
[18:23] <andriana20> What is a minimal installation?
[18:23] <Munsko> something like the basic things for OS to work
[18:25] <andriana20> @munsko sorry , browser refreshed
[18:25] <andriana20> I lost what u typed
[18:25] <Munsko> ok
[18:25] <andriana20> Even the link
[18:25] <Munsko> i found the netboot way
[18:25] <Munsko> looks like it could be burned in cd
[18:25] <Munsko> weight like 70mb
[18:26] <andriana20> Oh
[18:26] <andriana20> But is that lubuntu?
[18:26] <Munsko> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall
[18:26] <Munsko> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/AdvancedMethods
[18:26] <Munsko> yes, looks like that


[07:19] <Peng> What's the process for requesting a kernel config option be enabled? Specifically i'm interested in CONFIG_IPV6_OPTIMISTIC_DAD.
[07:19] <Peng> It's one half of a bug filed years ago, and closed because there's no apport thing attached. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/447905
[07:19] <Peng> Which i reopened a few minutes ago. And was automatically re-closed. :P
[09:24] <apw> Peng: I would file a new bug against Linux, with that old bug linked and see details of why that is a thing we want.  Drop the bug number in here.
[09:25] <apw> Though I seem to remember that optimistic dad was bad in some circumstances, which is why it is off
[09:26] <Peng> Interesting
[09:27] <Peng> Do you remember under what circumstances it causes problems?
[09:27] <Peng> Regardless, I think the kernel option just enables support. The sysctl would still default off. I think.
[09:27] <Peng> So it would just let users shoot themselves in the foot, not shoot their feet automatically. :P
[09:28] <apw> Peng: and if that is true, it is likely switchable
[09:30] <Peng> If i did file a bug, would I still have to run apport? Or can that be skipped for feature requests?
[09:31] <apw> if you ping me the bug I can stop the apport reauest
[09:31] <Peng> :3
[10:14]  * Peng crosses fingers
[10:14] <Peng> apw: Well, I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1728366


[01:42] <user|45138> Is it portable / can it be run from a CD or flash drive???
[03:25] <misterg77> how make a custom login screen
[03:26] <misterg77> do you
[03:32] <valorie> misterg77: I believe that's called SDDM, so you might google for customize sddm
[03:32] <valorie> I think there is a way to do that
[09:29] <loa> hello! what is right method to have most up to date kde stuck under ubuntu 16.04?
[09:32] <loa> i currently use kubuntu-ppa/plasma-staging
[09:32] <loa> but dunno need i add other ppas from there?
[09:33] <loa> for some reason on notebook i need add them all to update plasma to 5.7
[09:35] <hateball> loa: all you should need, if you dont want to use staging that is, is: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[09:36] <loa> hate it will be only 5.6 then
[09:36] <loa> i need > 5.7
[09:36] <loa> because of one feature which i need.
[09:36] <hateball> stuff that has gone through staging should end up there afaik, but #kubuntu-devel knows better
[09:36] <loa> it is only in plasma-staging
[09:36] <hateball> loa: yes right you are, I am using both 16.04 and 16.10, got them mixed up
[09:37] <hateball> I wonder if there wasnt talk about going straight to 5.8.x for backports, when it was deemed doable
[11:46] <yocs0000> hi everybody. What is a good kde graphic git client?
[11:47] <hateball> yocs0000: afaik you can do that in Dolphin
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:57] <yocs0000> hateball: sounds inteesting .... can you do the whole management though dolphin? do you need plugins?
[11:59] <hateball> yocs0000: a dolphin plugin iirc
[11:59] <hateball> yocs0000: I dont use it myself, I just recall reading it somewhere
[12:01] <hateball> !info kdesdk-dolphin-plugins
[12:02] <hateball> yocs0000: see http://sebastian-doerner.de/?p=51
[12:02] <hateball> anyhow, as I said it is not something I use personally so I cannot vouch for how good or bad it is
[12:05] <yocs0000> hateball: thank you anyway!
[12:07] <gysddn> where is the best for learning linux
[12:13] <Alex-Zion> hi everyone I have a problem with plasmashell in jubuntu 16.04, it crash continuosly at startup and the system is not usable, how can I fix it ?
[12:14] <Alex-Zion> *kubuntu
[12:14] <hateball> Alex-Zion: Are you using stock 16.04 or with kubuntu ppa?
[12:15] <Alex-Zion> stock 16.04 hateball
[12:15] <hateball> Alex-Zion: then I suggest you start with: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:15] <hateball> and reboot once all of that is done
[12:16] <Alex-Zion> but I usually dont use backport because I like a stable system, what happen to kubuntu ?
[12:17] <hateball> Sadly 16.04 is released with a quite buggy KDE/Plasma...
[12:17] <hateball> As you obviously have noticed
[12:18] <Alex-Zion> that's why I should probabilly leave kde and look for other DE after almost a decade with it
[12:19] <Alex-Zion> release a buggy system for a LTS is the wrost thing to do i guess
[12:21] <Alex-Zion> so in kubuntu decide to release an LTS with an uncomplete and buggy DE ?, I well understand ?
[12:24] <hateball> Alex-Zion: Well that's how it goes
[12:24] <hateball> Release schedules have to line up with regular Ubuntu etc
[12:27] <Alex-Zion> I already waste a lot of time with kde 4 at the beginning when it was unusable, I will not restart with kde5, is time to change for something I can trust
[12:27] <Alex-Zion> many thanke hateball
[12:28] <hateball> Alex-Zion: well if you dont need the LTS aspect, 16.10 is a better Plasma experience
[12:30] <Alex-Zion> I need a system I can trust hateball, in kde 5 they even remove features to give us a buggy and unusable DE, why whould I wwaste more time with it
[12:31] <Alex-Zion> what the next features will be removed ?
[12:32] <Alex-Zion> why should I trust a system that is going backward in terms of functionality and is even unusable ?
[12:37] <hateball> Alex-Zion: we have #kubuntu-offtopic if you want to rant :)
[12:37] <hateball> It's nice if we can keep this to problems/solutions :)
[12:38] <Alex-Zion> yeah , the solution is to move to unstable backport, seems a joke
[12:38] <Alex-Zion> anyway I'll not rant anymore don't worry, and many thanks hateball
[12:38] <hateball> Alex-Zion: Good luck whatever you decide
[12:38] <Alex-Zion> have a gooday
[14:24] <uid1> Greetings.  In Kubuntu 16.04, when I save a playlist in VLC, I always over-write the existing one.  I never, ever get prompted about existing file though.  Is this a Kubuntu thing, or a VLC thing?
[17:10] <misterg77> I know abosultutly noithing about Kubuntu just trying it out because I want to get away from Windows, but anyway I want to install an Epson xp-330 so far I have found zero drivers need help please
[17:17] <misterg77> need some help please
[17:38] <BluesKaj> misterg77, kmenu>system settings>printers ,and make sure you have cups installed
[17:39] <marco-parillo> I know for my Epson WF-series printer, I was able to download a driver (.deb) from the Epson website, but I see your specific model, there is none.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> bummer
[17:41] <marco-parillo> But, as BluesKaj notes, perhaps a generic driver will work.
[19:51] <hansi> Moin!
[20:14] <foormea> hi! is the last edition of "linux in a nutshell" still useful, or too old? i'm surprised there's no recent version
[20:14] <foormea> last from 2010 it seems
[21:52] <zulu_9843577fj4> echo
[22:36] <bix_> ciao
[23:01] <em> How can you restart the pannel?