[21:08] <nomopofomo> i just created a new ext4 partition with the kde partition manager. how do i start using it?
[21:09] <BluesKaj> nomopofomo, install an OS on it
[21:09] <Luggage> lol
[21:10] <Luggage> was afraid of offending wanted to reply put files on it, or ask to define starting to use it :)
[21:10] <nomopofomo> i mean i can't access it in my file manager, so i'm guessing i have to mount it
[21:10] <nomopofomo> maybe i have to restart?
[21:10] <dragan_> kako se ovo koristi
[21:11] <Mamarok> dragan_: English, please
[21:11] <Luggage> dragan check /dev/ folder for device name
[21:11] <Luggage> or use lshw or such
[21:12] <Luggage> then E.g. sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 I think
[21:12] <dragan_> serbian, please
[21:12] <Luggage> in konsole
[21:12] <chronos> hello
[21:12] <chronos> :)
[21:12] <Luggage> hi chronos
[21:13] <chronos> I have a kubuntu install cd, 9.10
[21:13] <chronos> and a ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop package, 9.04
[21:13] <BluesKaj> nomopofomo, do a google search for mounting partitions and adding them to fstab
[21:13] <chronos> I can make upgrade using files of cdrom from my desktop install?
[21:13] <chronos> or only using internet or a new install with cdrom
[21:14] <dparker> I just authorized a system update for my 9.10 install and got a message that an unauthenticated package had been installed - any idea what that might be?  I wasn't asked any questions, and I don't see anything in any logs indicating what it was.
[21:15] <cuznt> there does not seem to be a PartitionManager
[21:16] <BluesKaj> nomopofomo, http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/mounting.html
[21:16] <Dragnslcr> !info partitionmanager | cuznt
[21:16] <chronos> dparker, I think that it means that third party packages (packages than not official packages) won't be upgraded
[21:16] <cuznt> im on a love cd
[21:16] <paul___> hi2all)
[21:16] <cuznt> live rather
[21:17] <dparker> chronos - that wasn't the wording though - it was "was installed"
[21:17] <Dragnslcr> cuznt- if partitionmanager isn't on the CD, use gparted instead
[21:18] <chronos> ahn guys, no way of use files of livecd to update from installed distro?
[21:18] <cuznt> gparted qtparted is not installed
[21:19]  * cuznt brings up the run command and types it all in each of its own of course
[21:20] <Dragnslcr> cuznt- did you try actually installing the packages?
[21:20] <properz> hi , i changed resultion but my bar still not in all screen
[21:20] <cuznt> i am on a live cd. trying to manually partition my 320g sata
[21:20] <Dragnslcr> The LiveCD doesn't install every package on the disc in the live environment
[21:20] <nomopofomo> how do i get the uuid of a partition?
[21:20] <cuznt> by default for some reason it thinks my 500 g is the master
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> Probably because the 500 GB disk is connected to SATA1
[21:21] <cuznt> its not sata
[21:21] <Dragnslcr> In that case, PATA disks come before SATA disks
[21:22] <cuznt> !
[21:22] <BluesKaj> nomopofomo, /dev/sdax is usually enough to id a partition
[21:22] <Dragnslcr> I guess that would be up to your BIOS
[21:22] <cuznt> hrmmmm
[21:22] <cuznt> i will return!
[21:22] <cuznt> thanks
[21:23] <Dragnslcr> cuznt- so did you actually try installing the partitionmanager package?
[21:23] <Dragnslcr> Oy
[21:24] <ncfi1013> what is another name for aptitude, if there is one, because i have it running and i want to turn it off and i cant find it in system activity.
[21:24] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr, you can lead a horse to water........ we seem to be getting a lot of doubters or non - listeners in here
[21:25] <properz> how i enable effects ? i cant its tell me congiuare X server something
[21:26] <hagabaka> properz: do you use an ATI card?
[21:26] <properz> i have NVIDIA card
[21:26] <properz> 9500GT
[21:26] <hagabaka> oh
[21:26] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- apt-get, synaptic, and kpackagekit are the first ones that come to mind that might have the APT database locked
[21:26] <properz> oh is good or bad ?
[21:27] <hagabaka> well I don't know what to do with nvidia
[21:27] <Dragnslcr> properz- you might need to install the restricted drivers
[21:27] <properz> dragnlscr : i have the driver i just dont know how to install it
[21:27] <hagabaka> I use an ATI card, desktop effects worked in jaunty but not in karmic, I had to set up "kernel mode setting" to get it to work
[21:27] <Dragnslcr> There should be an icon in the system tray for restricted drivers
[21:28] <|moe|_> hagabaka: where did you set that up?
[21:29] <properz> Dranglscr : there is README in nvidia how ot install or something ?
[21:29] <Dragnslcr> properz- you shouldn't need to look at any README files
[21:29] <Dragnslcr> properz- Kubuntu handles it all through a graphical interface
[21:29] <ncfi1013> what would i look for in system activity to turn it off?
[21:30] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- if none of those programs are running, the database lock might have gotten stuck
[21:30] <Dragnslcr> !aptfix | ncfi1013
[21:30] <hagabaka> |moe|_:  I needed to add the x-edgers ppa, and then add a file containing "options radeon modeset=1" in /etc/modprobe.d. desktop effects work now, but X server has crashed a few times
[21:31] <|moe|_> hagabaka: thank you!
[21:31] <hagabaka> np
[21:31] <properz> so how i can use effects ? /=
[21:32] <BluesKaj> properz,, system settings/desktop/desktopeffects - enable
[21:32] <dpl8tex> hay all
[21:33] <properz> BlueKaj : its enabled but it tell me i need to congiuare something X Server
[21:34] <hagabaka> properz: what's the exact error? does it say "Failed to activate desktop effects..." or something else?
[21:34] <properz> one sec i tell you
[21:34] <properz> the following effects could not be activated : .......
[21:34] <properz> in the first time i try its tell me configuare something
[21:35] <hagabaka> disable it and enable again, and see if you get that message
[21:36] <tech404> I'd like to find a balance between encryption and performance. I will be the only user of the system. Would anyone have an opinion about encrypting /var and /home with preboot luks, swap encrypted with a random, as well as putting /tmp on tmpfs? Would data in /home be safe?
[21:36] <properz> please check your X - server
[21:37] <hosified> yep, it's official...kde better then gnome in my opinion....;)
[21:38] <properz> how i enable effects ? i get error ( configuare X server)
[21:38] <nomopofomo> ok so i've got the new partition in fstab now but i can't use it because of permissions, i think... how do i properly set up the disk as a regular user disk and not for admin only?
[21:38] <hosified> I only switched to ubuntu as my fulltime desktop about 7 months ago...today, I'm proudly on kubuntu...;D
[21:39] <nomopofomo> yeah just double checked, root can create folders but i can't on my regular account
[21:39] <ncfi1013> dragnslcr: i did as you and ubottu suggested. would the two of you explain to me what i just did?
[21:40] <nomopofomo> do i want to use chown?
[21:40] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- did it work?
[21:41] <hosified> nomopofomo: I remember when I wanted to automount my disks I had the same issue...what I did you resolve it was setup a subfolder on my disk called files and then modified the permissions to allow me to write to that folder.
[21:41] <ncfi1013> dragnslcr kpackagekit opens but not adept
[21:41] <nomopofomo> hosified: i think i just want to change the owner of the folder that the disk is mounted to
[21:42] <hosified> nomopofomo:  yeah, you can do that as well.  The folder should have a placeholder created under /media
[21:42] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013-  I think KPackageKit doesn't try to lock the APT database until it actually installs or modifies packages, while Adept tries to lock the database when it first starts
[21:42] <hosified> try to use chmod 777 on the folder (ie. chmod 777 /media/sda1)
[21:42] <properz> how i enable effects ? i get error ( configuare X server)
[21:42] <hosified> or change the ownership via the chown command
[21:43] <ncfi1013> im getting read only mode in adept
[21:43] <nomopofomo> hosified: yeah i just did :P
[21:43] <hosified> did it work?
[21:43] <ncfi1013> that usually means another pkg mgr is open
[21:44] <nomopofomo> yeah there was no placeholder in media though, it's an ext4 partition that i pointed to a folder in my home director
[21:44] <ncfi1013> is there something running in the background?
[21:44] <properz> how i login as root ? in terminal
[21:44] <properz> what command i need
[21:44] <hosified> oh, ok.  Same principle tough....glad you got it figued out...
[21:44] <nomopofomo> thx!
[21:44] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- KPackageKit, Adept, aptitude, etc. are all just frontends for APT. To make sure that multiple APT programs don't interfere with each other (which could cause major problems), an APT program gets a lock on the database to prevent other programs from accessing the database at the same time
[21:44] <ncfi1013> how do i find out?
[21:44] <hosified> properz: sudo su
[21:45] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- I don't know if there's a way to see which program locked the APT database. You may just have to look through the process list for any programs
[21:46] <properz> how i configuare my X Server ? ( i want get my graphic card work)
[21:46] <hosified> properz: what kind of vid card do you have?
[21:46] <ncfi1013> that part i know. i just dont know specifically what to look for
[21:47] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- kpackagekit, apt-get, adept, aptitude, synaptic
[21:47] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- those would be my first guesses
[21:47] <ncfi1013> oh
[21:48] <rerushg> proper: how about...... System>Hardware Drivers.......?
[21:49] <ncfi1013> dragnslcr: kpackagekitsmarticon maybe?
[21:50] <Dragnslcr> I dunno, maybe
[21:50] <Riddell> ** Getting KDE 4 ready for LTS talk in #ubuntu-classroom in 10 minutes
[21:50] <Dragnslcr> One thing you could try is opening Konsole and doing "sudo more /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[21:50] <Dragnslcr> I don't know if the lock file will have any information in it, but it's worth a shot
[21:51] <ncfi1013> dragnslcr: nope nothing
[21:51] <rerushg> ncfi1013: reboot maybe?
[21:52] <properz> sorry i didnt wat here
[21:52] <properz> how i configuare my X Server ? ( i want get my graphic card work) i have nvidia 9500gt
[21:52] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I was about to say, at this point it might be easiest to logout and log back in, and if that doesn't fix the problem, reboot
[21:52] <ncfi1013> in system activity what does renice process mean?
[21:53] <Dragnslcr> Did you run that command that ubottu gave you?
[21:53] <rerushg> properz: should be automatic.... try menu: System > Hardware Drivers
[21:53] <ncfi1013> yes
[21:53] <Dragnslcr> "nice" is the Unix term for priority
[21:53] <Dragnslcr> And you still get an error about the database being locked?
[21:54] <ncfi1013> yes
[21:54] <properz> refuseg : i  tired its not automatic
[21:55] <rerushg> properz: card does not show up in list?
[21:55] <properz> rareug : no
[21:55] <BluesKaj> properz, you have to make sure your graphics card driver is correctly installed, xorg isn't necessary to run kubuntu now. Your graphics driver should be the nvidia-glx-185 driver, look in kpackagekit or your package manager for the installed driver
[21:55] <Dragnslcr> ncfi1013- I don't know what else to suggest, other than logout, and if that doesn't work, do a full reboot
[21:56] <hosified> does anyone know why amarok doesn't download lyrics?
[21:56] <ncfi1013> i killed kpackagekitsmarticon and adept is still read only. thank you for your help. i know more now than 20 minutes ago
[21:56] <properz> bluekaj : i have glx-190 driver
[21:56] <hosified> doesn't seem to work on a fresh install
[21:56] <stefanjrklb> Hello Guys :) I have a question for experience linux users :)
[21:57] <hackfrost> hi
[21:57] <stefanjrklb> What should i read to get to know kubuntu/ubuntu better :)
[21:57] <stefanjrklb> I am new in this staff :)
[21:57] <ncfi1013> kubuntu.org
[21:57] <properz> how i configuare my X Server ? ( i want get my graphic card work) i have nvidia 9500gt
[21:57] <hosified> http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html
[21:58] <brendan-> anyone able to recommend a visio substitute for *nix?
[21:58] <hackfrost> you can also type man "your command" in the Konsole
[21:59] <hackfrost> for example "man apt-get"
[21:59] <hosified> properz: is there not a little green icon that looks like a pci card in your taskbar, bottom right hand side?
[21:59] <|moe|_> sun tells me that my version is sun java15 but update 17 is most actual, where do i get this update for karmic?
[21:59] <hosified> you need to enable the restricted nvidia drivers.
[22:00] <kristian1> torchlight, by the makers of diablo 2. make yourself heard: http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=901
[22:00] <hosified> otherwise, you can enable it through the applications -> system -> hardware drivers option in the "K" menus....
[22:03] <ncfi1013>  would the nvidia graphics driver version 185 be compatible with my nvidia geforce 9400 evga and not cause problems with my gui?
[22:03] <hosified> yes, they should work fine...they work great for my 8600 GT.
[22:03] <hosified> .....so far, so good anyways...;)
[22:04] <hosified> but you never can be 100% sure...
[22:04] <hosified> until you try.
[22:04] <properz> my effects still dont work ! its tell me configuare X Server !!
[22:05] <hosified> properz: you have to reboot after you install/enable the nvidia drivers.
[22:05] <Shura> Hi, I don't have the "crypto" menu in Konqueror configuration, is it normal ?
[22:05] <properz> hosifiled : i rebooted
[22:05] <hackfrost> how can I make my eeepc boot faster ?
[22:05] <properz> hosifiled : i using virtualbox
[22:05] <hosified> effects won't work in a virtual machine.
[22:06] <properz> hostifiled : yes they are i used in the past
[22:06] <properz> just tell me how to configuare X server .
[22:06] <RussellAlan> ubuntuI started my Kubuntu box and i get Mount of filesystem failed | s msintenance shel will now be started.
[22:07] <properz> how to configuare X SERVER !!! GODDD DAMMT
[22:08] <ncfi1013> hosified see i had problems with my old onboard and i had to redo my whole system by logging into dos - i call it dos cuz im not sure what its called now
[22:09] <hosified> properz:  hold on....i'm looking for the config file....
[22:09] <ncfi1013> i am just worried/paranoid the same will happen again and i dont know very well how to fix it if im not looking at a gui
[22:10] <properz> hosifled : ok
[22:10] <danielix> hi there!
[22:11] <hosified> try editiing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:11] <hosified> that contains the default display settings for your x-server display.
[22:11] <hosified> for options in that file, you'll have to google...
[22:12] <danielix> great distro Kubuntu had become with 9.10 !! thnx to all
[22:13] <danielix> alldow I have one issue with the 5.1 sound configuration
[22:13] <danielix> I will state my doubt here if alowed
[22:14] <hosified> properz: also, if your inside a virtual machine....ie virtualbox...you need to install the virtualbox guest additions
[22:14] <properz> hosifiled : i installed
[22:14] <hosified> k, just checking
[22:14] <properz> i need configuare x server
[22:15] <hosified> did you enable 3d acceleration on the virtual machine and grant enough video memory?
[22:15] <properz> oh one sec
[22:15] <hosified> well, xorg.conf should be the file for that...search google for the specific options that you can set.
[22:16] <danielix> Is there a way to configure more than just one master channel? so when I will try to pull up the volumen from the kmix then all the sliders selected will move toghether
[22:16] <properz> hosifiled : right now i do
[22:17] <hosified> so right now you have the 3d enabled, atleast 32mb of video memory and the guest additions installed....
[22:17] <hosified> and you've rebooted.
[22:17] <properz> hosifiled : what the hell when i rebotted my computer
[22:17] <properz> i got virutal terminal
[22:17] <hosified> ??
[22:18] <properz> i cant use my computer
[22:18] <hosified> I believe left ctrl + alt + F7 will force graphical mode.
[22:18] <TheWoozle> Is it possible to run dpkg on a filesystem other than the one you booted from (e.g. on the hard drive, when you boot from a liveCD)?
[22:18] <properz> when i reboot him its join me to place with commands
[22:18] <hosified> does it say tty1?
[22:19] <properz> hosfiled : YES !
[22:19] <hosified> hmmm.....
[22:19] <hosified> press left ctrl + alt + f7
[22:20] <properz> i presse
[22:20] <hosified> make sure you have captured the mouse in the virtual machine...
[22:20] <hosified> hmmm....
[22:20] <properz> its stuck when i preesed
[22:20] <hosified> jeeze, I have no idea what you got done now....
[22:20] <hosified> you don't have the cd still mounted do you?
[22:20] <properz> no
[22:21] <properz> its because the command
[22:21] <hosified> did you modify xorg.conf in any way?
[22:21] <properz> hm
[22:21] <hosified> restore the original.
[22:21] <hosified> if you made a backup...;)
[22:21] <properz> i remember i write
[22:21] <properz> nvidia-xconfig
[22:21] <properz> or something
[22:21] <hosified> see, you can't use nvidia-settings inside a virtual machine.  The virtual machine doesn't have direct write capabilities to the video card.
[22:21] <hosified> it uses emulated drivers...
[22:22] <hosified> what is your host operating system?
[22:22] <properz> i told you i remember before like 3 months i got virtualbox+kubuntu + graphic card work
[22:22] <properz> windows 7
[22:22] <hosified> did you just upgrade to windows 7?
[22:22] <hosified> say in the past month or so?
[22:23] <TheWoozle> I need to either run dpkg on the hard drive from a liveCD, or else I need to figure out how to remount the root system as writeable (for some reason it is getting mounted read-only).
[22:23] <hosified> the graphics should work using the guest additions drivers...but I don't expect you to get your affects working...i've never seen it working in virtualbox....
[22:24] <hosified> i've only heard recently that Vmware Workstation 7 has full 3d acceleration and graphics capabilities...
[22:24] <hosified> especially on Windows 7.
[22:24] <properz> ok you know what
[22:24] <properz> i install now my kubuntu
[22:25] <hosified> kubuntu runs great as a host...;)
[22:25] <hosified> ditch the windows....take the challenge...:D
[22:25] <properz> i have one question before
[22:25] <properz> there is any way to write fixmbr / fixboot without use windows disc ?
[22:26] <hosified> just so you know, I run WIndows 7 inside a virtualbox VM on my kubuntu host, it doesn't give me 3d graphics and effects....
[22:26] <properz> there is any way to write fixmbr / fixboot without use windows disc ?
[22:27] <hosified> fixmbr / fixboot?  sorry, never heard of it...
[22:27] <properz> ok thanks
[22:27] <hosified> the only time I ever repaired a windows boot record was with the fdisk command
[22:27] <hosified> on a bootable floppy...
[22:27] <properz> i know when i install kubuntu
[22:27] <properz> i didnt get the windows in grub
[22:28] <properz> and then i need fix it with a disc
[22:28] <hosified> no, you can modify the grub configuration to show the windows installation...i'm assuming you are setting up a dual boot installation.
[22:28] <hosified> google dual boot ubuntu windows grup
[22:28] <hosified> correction: google dual boot ubuntu windows grub
[22:29] <properz> hosfield : after  i install kubuntu
[22:29] <properz> i need to download something
[22:29] <properz> to get graphic card work ?
[22:30] <hosified> if you install kubuntu on your host, you should then get the green card icon in the bottom right of your task bar to enable the restricted nvidia drivers...which will in turn state that you need to reboot and then the effects will work.
[22:30] <hosified> nvidia right?
[22:30] <properz> yes nvidia
[22:30] <properz> so i need press the green card icon in the task bar ?
[22:31] <hosified> ok, that's what should happen...I just installed kubuntu today...I was running ubuntu for the past 7 months.  If the green icon doesn't appear in the taskbar/system tray...you can find it under Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers from the "K" menus....
[22:31] <properz> ok thanks , last question , how much size i need to do in swap area ?
[22:31] <hosified> in there, you'll need to select the driver version and click enable....
[22:32] <hosified> I usually let it automatically choose.....personally I don't use any swap cause I have 4GB of ram and I carefully monitor my memory allocation.
[22:32] <hosified> However, a good size would be 512 - 1024....
[22:32] <properz> i have 4gb ram too
[22:32] <hosified> if your disk is swapping out anymore then that, your system performance will be severly impacted...in my opinion, swap is bad - but an evil necessity....
[22:32] <properz> so i dont need swap areA?
[22:33] <properz> area*
[22:33] <hosified> you don't need it...but if you get a program that is out of control and has a memory leak, your system may crash or become unresponsive....512 or 1024 would be safe.
[22:33] <hosified> no more then that, it's a waste of space.
[22:33] <properz> ok
[22:33] <properz> you will be here more half hour ?
[22:34] <hosified> swap is for swapping information from memory to disk to free memory for other programs...meaning you would have to use all your memory up somehow before swap starts getting utilized...
[22:34] <hosified> maybe...
[22:34] <properz> ba bye
[22:35] <hosified> do we get paid for this??? lol
[22:38] <hackfrost> bye all
[22:38] <equaeghe> isn't swap also used to store images when suspending to disk?
[22:39] <hosified> equaeghe:  I didn't think that was written to swap...but it might be....I though that was stored in a hibernation file...I know in windows it's not part of the page file (ie swap).
[22:39] <hosified> but you could very well be right....
[22:40] <BluesKaj> swap file used to be normally 1.5 times ram , maybe it's different now
[22:40] <hosified> Swap space is the area on a hard disk which temporarily holds memory pages that are inactive. Swap space is used when physical memory, or RAM, is full. If the system happens to need more memory resources or space and the physical memory is currently full, inactive pages are then moved to the swap space. Note that the access time for swap is slower therefore do not consider it to be a complete replacement for the
[22:40] <hosified>  physical memory. Swap space can be a dedicated swap partition (recommended), a swap file, or a combination of swap partitions and swap files.
[22:40] <hosified> that's from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[22:41] <hosified> AND!!!
[22:41] <hosified> Hibernation (suspend-to-disk) The hibernation feature (suspend-to-disk) writes out the contents of RAM to the swap partition before turning off the machine. Therefore, your swap partition should be at least as big as your RAM size. The hibernation implementation currently used in Ubuntu, swsusp, needs a swap or suspend partition. It cannot use a swap file on an active file system.
[22:41] <jazzy_d> Heya everyone
[22:41] <hosified> congrats equaeghe, you got that one right.  All the purposes of swap are listed on that link above...
[22:41] <jazzy_d> Im on 9.10 and I have a sound problem when Im playing 24bit 96khz flacs in Amarok
[22:42] <jazzy_d> it produces noise
[22:42] <equaeghe> hosified: yeah, it bit me before, I had 1GB swap and 2GB ram...
[22:42] <jazzy_d> vlc plays them but seems resampled
[22:42] <BluesKaj> amarok plays flac ?
[22:42] <jazzy_d> to 44.1
[22:42] <jazzy_d> yep
[22:43] <BluesKaj> 96khz is rather audiophilic for a pc :)
[22:43] <hosified> nice....properz is going to be pissed when he finds that out...:)
[22:43] <hosified> "welcome to linux"...:D
[22:44] <hosified> my bad...
[22:45] <jazzy_d> so any fix for my case?
[22:45] <BluesKaj> hosified, I told prosperz to make sure he had the right driver installed , but just ignored advice and repeated his problem...he's not a reader , too busy asking for help
[22:46] <hosified> I don't feel so bad then....
[22:46] <hosified> ;)
[22:46] <jazzy_d> Im using audigy se by the way
[22:46] <hosified> half the battle is learning how to google....
[22:46] <hosified> :S
[22:46] <hosified> :/
[22:47] <hosified> maybe he should start with that...
[22:47] <jazzy_d> Im googleing but no result
[22:47] <hosified> oh, sorry jazzy_d, I was refferring to another person/problem....
[22:48] <jazzy_d> ok
[22:48] <BluesKaj> jazzy_d, check the internet for a more audiophile friendly app then amarok, there is one , but I can't recall it's name
[22:48] <hosified> I dunno if exaile supported flac or not....I find it to be a decent audio player...but it was more for gnome then kde.
[22:49] <jazzy_d> I have errors with audacious 2.1
[22:49] <jazzy_d> its oss
[22:49] <jazzy_d> Im on alsa
[22:49] <hosified> hmmm....jazzy_d: this may not be the best advise but....have you installed the ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:49] <jazzy_d> yep
[22:49] <jazzy_d> nothing happend
[22:49] <hosified> hmmm, ok...
[22:50] <jazzy_d> the guys at #linux on efnet told me that, then they told me to configure alsa for 24/96
[22:50] <jazzy_d> because on default its 16/44.1
[22:50] <jazzy_d> but I cant find on google how to do that
[22:50] <hosified> jazzy_d:  going to have to pass on that question, i'm still tinkering with the audio on my installation.  However, I thought that the default sound system in kubuntu was pulseaudio.  Anyone verify that?
[22:52] <hosified> jazzy_d...I also remember in ubuntu that there was an alsa mixer program and config program that I installed that allowed me to configure those options...
[22:52] <BluesKaj> jazzy_d, Aqualung audio player
[22:52] <hosified> lemme see if they are availble for kubuntu in the package manager.
[22:52] <ericG> I just switched to Konversation as my IRC client instead of Quassel. I like the layout better, but I can't find where to hide joins, parts, nick changes, etc. Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
[22:53] <jazzy_d> the only one Im seeing is kmix
[22:53] <Shura> Hi, how can I import a personal certificate in Konqueror ?
[22:53] <jazzy_d> perhaprs alsamixer is terminal thing
[22:55] <BluesKaj> ericG, on konverstion, click the sttings tab/configure /
[22:55] <kubuntuser> jazzy_d: alsamixer is a terminal thing
[22:55] <jazzy_d> ok
[22:56] <BluesKaj> ericG, configure konversation/chat window
[22:56] <todd_> ericg under behavior/chat window/2nd box is hide joins,parts
[22:57] <jazzy_d> Im running alsamixer now but it only shows how to adjust volume
[22:58] <hosified> sudo apt-get install padevchooser
[22:58] <hosified> that might do the trick jazzy_d
[22:58] <ericG> thanks BluesKaj todd_ found it :)
[22:58] <jazzy_d> I had read that amarok plays them fine btw, but I dunno whats the deal
[22:58] <jazzy_d> ok hosfield
[22:59] <hosified> hold on, that installs a lot of gnome crap...
[22:59] <hosified> lets see if we can find a better way to modify the pulse audio config then that....
[23:00] <BluesKaj> VLC is still my fav audioplayer , it has a lot of configurable options
[23:00] <jazzy_d> vlc downsamples them to 44.1
[23:03] <jazzy_d> hosified I already runned it
[23:03] <hosified> ok....I don't think it will cause you any problems.  I'm just going through my installation and I don't see pulseaudio as being installed.  Maybe that's the answer to your problem, install pulse audio.
[23:04] <jazzy_d> and with sudo apt-get install padevchooser Im installing it?
[23:04] <BluesKaj> hosified, pa doesn't run well with pci audio cards, it just creates an uneeded layer
[23:05] <hosified> yeah, seems like some others are having the same issue with audigy cards.  Read this..
[23:05] <hosified> http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1306142
[23:05] <hosified> sorry, no answers yet jazzy_d
[23:06] <jazzy_d> ok
[23:06] <hosified> i'ver got some flac files here, let me see if I can get them to work...
[23:06] <brendan-> anyone know if its possible to configure the windows start button for the KDE menu?
[23:06] <brendan-> or gnome for that
[23:07] <BluesKaj> i have a cmedia pci card , and pa is choppy and distorted on it , so I purged it , now my sound is as good as my pc soundcard ca muster
[23:08] <rysiek|pl> hi guys
[23:08] <brendan-> what i wanna do is map the windows button on my laptop keyboard to display the menu
[23:08] <BluesKaj> brendan-, are you trying to hide kubuntu ?
[23:08] <brendan-> no
[23:08] <brendan-> i'm trying to display the menu when i press the windows key on the keyboard
[23:08] <jazzy_d> hosified, the cards listed are audigy 2 z something
[23:08] <jazzy_d> and I have audigy se
[23:09] <jazzy_d> or that doesn't makes chage?
[23:09] <BluesKaj> brendan-, check the keyboard shortcuts in system settings
[23:09] <brendan-> k
[23:11] <hosified> dunno, still looking...
[23:11] <jazzy_d> someone posted that the fix is by adding him in audio group
[23:11] <nomopofomo> how do i select a single file instead of opening it?
[23:12] <bbeck> nomopofomo: when hovering a plus sign should appear, press that.
[23:13] <nomopofomo> bbeck: does that include the folder view widget?
[23:13] <bbeck> nomopofomo: I don't think so, you may just have to rubberband the file.
[23:14] <nomopofomo> bbeck: fyi ctrl seems to work :P
[23:17] <jazzy_d> hosified, downloading done
[23:17] <jazzy_d> *and installing
[23:19] <amik> is there a way to upgrade to karmic straight from an iso (alternate, I assume)?
[23:20] <nomopofomo> hey, i'm trying to figure out what file is stopping amarok's collection scanner.. i'm running amarok --debug but it's not telling me anything useful  like which file it's processing... anybody have any useful info?
[23:22] <jazzy_d> hosified ?
[23:22] <hosified> yeah, i'm hear man...working on the same stuff...my audio is all fooked as well...
[23:24] <jazzy_d> ok
[23:24] <hosified> I think i'm going to install pulse audio and see how that works...I just don't seem to be able to get this to work based on the default kubuntu installation...
[23:24] <jazzy_d> ok
[23:24] <kexman> i have broadcom wired / wireless network adapters
[23:25] <jazzy_d> tell me the result
[23:25] <kexman> none of them show up after upgrade to 9.10
[23:25] <BluesKaj> amik, latest version should if you run it from the commandline, sudo do-release-update, but make sure you just use the cdrom as the repos, comment all other debs in sources.list
[23:25] <kexman> what should i do ?
[23:25] <kexman> update kernel ?
[23:25] <kexman> do i need to load any driver ?
[23:26] <jazzy_d> hosified I have to reboot the pc, coming after 5 mins
[23:27] <amik> thanks BluesKaj, is do-release-update the same as update-manager?
[23:27] <BluesKaj> yes, it's a server command
[23:27] <roby> ciao :-)
[23:28] <kexman> coool ive been trying to get some solution from web nothing like this .... cant find no solution here neither
[23:28] <amik> BluesKaj: by server command u mean command line?
[23:28] <roby> hi does anybody know how to add icons in the main menu of new kubuntu netbook?
[23:29] <amik> roby: u can ask in #kubuntu-netbook
[23:29] <BluesKaj> amik, the devs use that command on the repos servers
[23:29] <roby> oh I should know ;-)
[23:29] <roby> thanks I'll try!
[23:30] <kexman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8233103 not even turning off acpi didnt helped ....
[23:30] <roby> bye!
[23:30] <sobi> hi, today has released kde 4.3.3, but not still in repo, anybody knows, when it will be install-able ? using kubuntu 9.10
[23:31] <xtyper> how i upgrade my kde ?
[23:31] <sobi> have the same questions :)
[23:33] <roby> hey guys another more general question....
[23:33] <sobi> how to upgrade my kubuntu 9.10 to actual kde 4.3.3
[23:33] <jazzy_d> hosified any result?
[23:34] <roby> can you give some hints for an application like cheese in kubuntu?
[23:34] <dparker> eek - what's happened to kommander?  is it supported in 9.10?
[23:36] <BluesKaj> !kde
[23:36] <KingKaiser> hey
[23:38] <Deihmos> i can't get firefox to look as good as ie 8 in windows 7. in windows everything looks clear and crisp but with ubuntu it looks old and washed out
[23:38] <Deihmos> is there something i need to do
[23:39] <Deihmos> i think maybe in windows they use clear type
[23:40] <BluesKaj> Deihmos, make sure you are using the same resolution as windows and dpi
[23:40] <Deihmos> usin gsame resolution
[23:41] <kaddi> hi, I can't change the brightness on my laptop screen, this has been so since I upgraded to karmic. Today I noticed the following line in dmesg:   12.046297] acer-wmi: Brightness must be controlled by generic video driver   And thought it might point to the problem.... Anyone know anything about regaining brightness settings?
[23:41] <kexman> sudo modprobe -r b44 ssb ndiswrapper
[23:41] <kexman> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[23:41] <kexman> sudo modprobe b44
[23:41] <kexman> fix to broadcom net problem in 9.10
[23:44] <xtyper> when i restart my computer in kubuntu my screen black and didnt restart , and i need to press in button to restart my computer
[23:50] <xtyper> agter upgrade kde the language stay?
[23:51] <jazzy_d> hosified ?
[23:51] <jazzy_d> hosified_ ?
[23:51] <hosified_> yep...
[23:52] <jazzy_d> an result?
[23:52] <jazzy_d> *any
[23:52] <hosified_> i've installed pulse audio, I can only get 2 channel audio...:S
[23:52] <hosified_> so no further ahead as of yet....
[23:52] <hosified_> haven't even tried the flac files
[23:52] <jazzy_d> ok
[23:52] <carmelita> How can I add spell ckeck to kontact(kmail) under kubuntu 9.10 what do I need to install? I need it for spanish
[23:52] <jazzy_d> I need 2ch
[23:52] <carmelita> Please, can someone help me?
[23:53] <jazzy_d> but how to configure it for 24/96
[23:53] <jazzy_d> cuz Im still getting noise
[23:53] <hosified_> if I knew, i'd tell you....still digging...
[23:55] <The_Journey> how can I turn off 3d acceleration? It's causing my system to freeze
[23:56] <busbaby> anyone on kubuntu 9.04 still?
[23:57] <genii-around> busbaby: Quite a few, including myself
[23:57] <amik> me too
[23:57] <kexman> shame on kubuntu i say :)
[23:57] <genii-around> Shame on kexman, I say! ;)
[23:57] <kexman> i always tought about this distro as a plug in and play distro :D
[23:58] <busbaby> do you guys have the update notifier telling you about 9.10, even though you told it "don't ask again"
[23:58] <amik> busbaby: I have the icon, but don't remember any 'dont ask again' being asked
[23:59] <busbaby> so i guess you cant get rid of it either then eh
[23:59] <kexman> busbaby: i didnt say dont ask again still was getting it :)
[23:59] <busbaby> ?
[23:59] <kexman> upgraded
[23:59] <kexman> now no net for me :) hahah
[23:59] <kexman> i managed to update it with update-manager


[01:58] <choel> Hi, I just moved to NZ about 7 months ago from Europe, I having problems finding a good ISP without a data cap and high costs. Can anybody recommend any ISP. I'm also locking for a good ISP for mobile broadband, any suggestions?
[01:58] <choel> I'm not used to data caps :/
[01:59] <G> choel: pretty much all the NZ ISPs have datacaps
[01:59] <G> choel: it can also depend on what Suburb you give in too
[02:00] <choel> G, I seen that, just wonder why? Been reading about it but can't understand why.
[02:00] <G> choel: why we have datacaps?
[02:00] <choel> G, well I live on waiheke outside auckland.
[02:01] <choel> G, yes, why datacaps, as I said I haven't seen it in europe. And I started using the internet when it came to sweden in 94 and I've never seen datacaps.
[02:01] <G> choel: basically because at the moment, there is only one provider of International transit to Australia and US
[02:02] <G> It's expensive to lay, and they need to make a profit, and keep the fibre etc maintained as well
[02:02] <choel> G, A I see, was thinking about that. So NZ are connected to Australia via sea cable?
[02:03] <G> (and there is, a finite capacity over the cable as well)
[02:03] <G> choel: yep, have a look at the Wikipedia entry for "Southern Cross Cable"
[02:03] <choel> G, will do
[02:04] <choel> G, any suggestion for mobile broadband?
[02:04] <choel> G, had telecom but the just messed with my deal with them and change the cost. so not to happy with them right now.
[02:04] <G> choel: the other reason, and I'm not sure how correct my understanding on the subject is, but Chorus do dimensioning on the handover links to the ISPs from the DSLAMs/Exchanges, and that also raises contention issues, so Datacaps are also a way to reduce contention
[02:05] <G> choel: do 2degrees have any powers on Waiheke?  If not, it's either a choice between Telecom and Vodafone
[02:06] <choel> G, sounds about right according to what I read. Also the lack of competition between the ISP:s. Is not that many of them.
[02:07] <G> choel: yeah, all comes down to numbers really, finite number of customers, finite capacity of backhauls, peering points, international capacity etc
[02:08] <ajmitch> & large distance from the rest of the world
[02:08] <G> choel: that said, the likes of Telecom etc are getting cheaper, and bigger caps etc
[02:08] <G> ajmitch: I think that comes under finite internation capacity too :)
[02:08] <choel> G, so what’s the general thought about it, going to change any time soon?
[02:08] <G> choel: well there is the Pacific Fibre consortium international link that is 2-3 years away
[02:08] <ajmitch> G: finite capacity, but it means that it's horribly expensive to get more
[02:09] <ajmitch> no matter what, distance is a big problem that won't be solved anytime soon
[02:09] <G> coupled with UFB & RBI initiatives, I think it can only get better
[02:09] <G> ajmitch: yep, exactly 110%
[02:10] <choel> I read that there where some ISPs trying without datacap and the where overwhelmed by the response of customers.
[02:10] <G> choel: don't take this the wrong way either, but you may be at an even bigger disadvantage living in Waiheke, I know there are a couple of sea-cable links from Waiheke to mainland, but no idea how big they are, that said, I'd love to live on Waiheke Is :)
[02:10] <ajmitch> right, it's made worse by all the high-usage customers flocking to that one ISP, and their speeds dropping
[02:11]  * ajmitch read that you can get DSL on waiheke
[02:11] <G> ajmitch: yep
[02:11] <G> iirc they are getting ADSL2+ soon (or already have it)
[02:11] <G> still 3 years away for ADSL2+ for me :(
[02:11] <ajmitch> ouch
[02:12] <choel> G, hehe, I know waiheke is in a bad spot. But mostly looking in general for auckland area.
[02:12]  * ajmitch likes syncing at just under 22Mbps now
[02:12] <choel> ajmitch, hehe. that's about it.
[02:13] <G> and I only found that out, when I realised Chorus had secretly released the RBI-ADSL2 spreadsheet, and converted all the local exchanges Map Grid references to Long/Lat and found my cabinet :)
[02:13] <choel> G, where about are you?
[02:13] <G> choel: West Auckland
[02:13] <G> ajmitch: twist the dagger a bit more eh? ;)
[02:13] <ajmitch> G: sure :)
[02:13] <choel> G, k. but still on the mainland. doh.
[02:13] <ajmitch> no, mainland is down south :)
[02:14] <choel> haha
[02:14] <choel> do cold down there
[02:14] <G> I'm actually in the comical situation, where my phone/T-Stick can download faster than my ADSL connection :P
[02:14]  * ajmitch is in dunedin
[02:14] <ajmitch> hardly cold here
[02:14] <choel> G, that's not the situation you want :)
[02:15] <G> My phone managed to clock in at 3.74Mbps, where as the max my ADSL has clocked in at, is about 2.2Mbps
[02:15]  * ajmitch won't paste his modem sync stats then
[02:15] <ajmitch> because that's just poor, if you're on a cabinet
[02:16] <G> ajmitch: I'd imagine w/ a Sync of 22Mbps, you'd be able to get VDSL if you wanted?
[02:16] <ajmitch> G: most likely, the exchange is right across the road from where I live
[02:16]  * choel thinks ajmitch shouldn't paste any sync at all!
[02:16] <G> ajmitch: yeah, I'm on a cabinet, but it's a rural cabinet which is pretty much a glorified patch panel iirc
[02:16] <ajmitch> ah right
[02:17] <choel> So, any suggestion of mobile broadband provider?
[02:17] <G> choel: assuming that 2Degrees aren't on Waiheke Is, it's pretty much, pick your poison between Telecom & Vodafone
[02:17] <G> and 99.9% of the time, I'd personally pick Telecom
[02:18] <choel> G, 2Degrees almost cover waiheke, but it's shadowed from all the forest and stuff here.
[02:19]  * ibeardslee avoids Telecom
[02:20] <choel> G, telecom tricked me. Bought a card of them with the deal that I pay 30 dollars for 4 gigs of data. But after three months they change the deal so I have to pay 90 dollars for 4 gigs and then the next 4 gigs 40 dollars and then 90 again.
[02:20] <choel> not working for me.
[02:20] <G> The only problem with Telecom, is they seem to have a habit of stuffing up a lot, HOWEVER I've always found them pretty quick at correcting their mistakes and what not
[02:21] <G> choel: was it written in the contract that it would happen?
[02:21] <choel> they offered me 10 dollars as a help to the 90.
[02:22] <choel> problem with buying a prep paid card is that you don't sign a contract. so they can change the plan. My problem with them is they didn't notify me about the change so I lost 40 dollars recharging my card.
[02:22] <G> The worse stuff up that Telecom did w/ me, is I brought a Datacard inthe CDMA days, and asked for it to be attached to my personal account, and they ended up attaching it to the family account that I didn't have any authority over
[02:25] <choel> The best plan I been on so far I telestra clear
[02:25] <choel> but still only landline.
[02:30] <choel> So I guess we'l just wait and hope there roof will fall down.
[02:41] <G> choel: yep
[02:48] <choel> G, thanks for your info.
[02:48] <G> choel: no problem
[05:11] <mwhudson> so telstraclear are having routing problems with international traffic
[05:11] <mwhudson> "Customers may be experiencing intermittent issues with slow loading for some overseas websites. This is an issue with the websites concerned and their traffic routing preferences. It occurs outside both our network and we have no control over the routing. The issue is intermittent and appears to also impact customers of other New Zealand internet service providers.
[05:11] <mwhudson> Although the cause of the problem is outside our network, on behalf of our customers we’ve asked our international traffic providers to raise this with the website companies concerned. As long as this issue exists, we will continue to point out to those websites the impact on our customers and the less-than-satisfactory experience they will be having when visiting the websites. "
[05:12] <mwhudson> does anyone know what they actually mean by this?
[05:44] <mwhudson> seems to be one of their peers advertising routes they really shouldn't be
[07:18] <chilts> yeah, I'd say it's not the websites as such, but maybe _their_ providers
[07:18] <chilts> who knows
[07:20] <stuartyeates> I see McCarthy is dead :(  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/24/father_lisp_ai_john_mccarthy_dies/
[07:31] <chilts> not a good few months for the technical world :(
[07:31] <chilts> but at least we have their legacies
[18:29] <ibeardslee> morning
[18:53] <chilts> morning
[19:33] <Atamira> morning
[19:33] <ajmitch> morning
[22:21] <hads> Anybody want to load this (audio streaming) web page for me? Trying to test the stream with a few people connected; http://aluminium.nice.net.nz/test/
[22:22] <ibeardslee> very quiet
[22:24] <hads> Thanks, just playing with bandwidth at the moment. I can increase the energy coming from the conference later.
[22:24] <hads> I thought blaring music at people testing wouldn't be too nice :)
[22:24] <ibeardslee> ahh ok .. just hard to tell if it is breaking up etc
[22:27] <hads> Ah right. It's standard FreeSWITCH hold music so is pretty quiet anyway.
[22:33] <hads> Thanks, you can stop listening if you still are :)
[22:33] <ibeardslee> you mean I can't keep sucking your bandwidth?
[22:34] <hads> Sure you can, it's from the US so there's hundreds of GB spare.
[22:35] <hads> A bit of a change form here.


[01:02] <xrandr> I'd even take that.....my laptop is 1376 x something
[12:44] <tMH> hiya everyone
[12:45] <tMH> I am planning to install fresh ubuntu version on lowcost machine (old one, with P3 cpu), I've tried to install 18.04-alternative, but for some reason gfx32 (or how it spelled) did not load.
[12:52] <tMH> I unpacked one by one those distro isos: lubuntu-16.04.1-alternate-amd64.iso, lubuntu-16.04.1-alternate-i386.iso, lubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso, lubuntu-18.04-alternate-amd64.iso, lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso - all they have tens of missed files - I've check md5sum inside...
[12:52] <tMH> only one disto has no problems - lubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[12:52] <tMH> iso files were dloaded from https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[12:52] <guiverc2> P3 as in pentium-III (3)?   Lubuntu 16.04 LTS is EOL; flavors only come with 3 years of supported life; 2016.April + 3 years = 2019.April EOL.
[12:52] <tMH> even http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/16.04/release/lubuntu-16.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[12:53] <tMH> guiverc2: can you tell why there are md5sum errors (missed files) in those isos ?
[12:53] <tMH> when I try to load one of them - loading is failed because gfx*.c32 file is not found!
[12:54] <tMH> I did read about "tab, choose live or install" - that's nice, but install starts in text mode...
[12:54] <tomreyn> tMH: end of live (EOL) is when something is no lonfger supported. try 18.04.3
[12:54] <guiverc2> there shouldn't be md5sum errors in the files; I've downloaded & never had issues (I tend to download from more local mirror, but grab md5sum/sha256sum from main site)
[12:54] <tMH> tomreyn - both of 18.04 has missing files in their isos...
[12:55] <guiverc2> I also don't expand the ISO, just write to my install media. (usually thumb-drive & install from that)
[12:55] <tMH> ok, wait here, I'll check out 18.04 386/amd64 versions and paste what I've met by md5sum testings.
[12:55] <guiverc2> (expand as in the write will expand ISO to boot, but I don't manually expand it prior to write)
[12:57] <tomreyn> i guess if you're saying that the 18.04.3 iso's you have verified to have downloaded AND written to the boot media with the correct checksums, cannot verify the md5sum of some components when you do the live media test, then thats's probably worth reporting a bug if there's no such report, yet
[12:57] <tomreyn> but it also shouldn't pose any issues if you verified the iso was proerly written to the installer storage
[12:57] <tMH> amd64 md5sum test errors: https://justpaste.it/48u3g
[12:58] <tomreyn> how do you run these tests?
[13:00] <tomreyn> unpack the iso, then md5sum --check <MD5SUM ?
[13:00] <tomreyn> tMH: the lubuntu website is the one in the topic, not the one you seem to have downloaded from.
[13:00] <guiverc2> If I run the `md5sum lubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-i386.iso`  i get "7b0a543da70aafe476796f536842d408  lubuntu-18.04.1-desktop-i386.iso"  which matches perfectly the value in the MD5SUMS file http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/MD5SUMS
[13:01] <guiverc2> (likewise the amd64 file)
[13:01] <tMH> tomreyn - yes, unpack the iso and run md5sum over md5sum.txt
[13:01] <tMH> inside unpacked folder, of course
[13:02] <tomreyn> so tMH is referring to the MD5SUMS over single files contained in the ISOs
[13:02] <tMH> https://justpaste.it/48u3g
[13:02] <tMH> reload the paste, I wrote new md5sum errors there.
[13:03] <tomreyn> whats the checksums on those isos you tested? do they match what's given on lubuntu.ME and cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[13:04] <tMH> tomreyn - once again - I unpack .iso file and check md5sum.txt file inside by md5sum. results you can see on justpaste.it I posted earlier.
[13:04] <tMH> the reason I decided to check the content of those isos is because usb is not loading as it supposed - in gfx mode.
[13:04] <tomreyn> tMH: i understand what you're doing. you're testing *some* ISO files' contained files against the contained MD5SUMs
[13:04] <tMH> it stops by "gfx*.c32" not found.
[13:04] <tMH> tomreyn - yes.
[13:05] <tMH> tomreyn - not some - but those are listed in md5sum.txt file
[13:05] <tomreyn> but you're not understanding this part: there i no use in testing random ISO files. only test those official ISOs please
[13:05] <tMH> tomreyn - give me the link of "official iso", please, I check it right after.
[13:06] <tomreyn> as i said, the lubuntu website is given on the channel topic
[13:06] <tMH> of the "official iso" even.
[13:06] <tomreyn> it's lubuntu.ME
[13:06] <tomreyn> cdimage.ubuntu.com also works
[13:06] <tMH> tomreyn - not lubuntu.net ?
[13:06] <tMH> ok, cdimage.
[13:06] <tMH> tomreyn - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso
[13:06] <tMH> ok ?
[13:06] <tMH> this one ?
[13:06] <tomreyn> yes this is an official one. though the current release is probably 18.04.3
[13:07] <tMH> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[13:07] <tMH> then this one
[13:07] <tomreyn> looks good
[13:07] <tMH> ok, let me get it and check the md5sum.txt inside
[13:07] <guiverc2> tMH, lubuntu.net is NOT related to Lubuntu/Ubuntu; if you're unsure what is, ask ubuntu.com (ie. https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours) and do NOT ask google - it'll send you wrong.
[13:07] <tMH> guiverc2 - hm.
[13:08] <tMH> guiverc2 - ok, ok, I am using ubuntu.com to get lubuntu isos
[13:08] <tMH> now
[13:08] <guiverc2> (ubuntu.com will send you where tomreyn already said to go)
[13:08] <tMH> 18 seconds dl ETA
[13:08] <tMH> 5, 4..
[13:09] <tMH> btw
[13:09] <tMH> I noticed that if iso contains large squashfs file - there are NO md5sum errors.
[13:09] <tMH> but if iso does not have such file - it contain md5sum
[13:09] <tMH> this 18.04.03 has squashfs file, but I'll check it anyway
[13:10] <tMH> ok, no errors at all
[13:10] <tMH> but let me check out prev version 18.04-alt
[13:10] <tMH> from ubuntu.com
[13:10] <tMH> this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso
[13:13] <tMH> same thing: https://justpaste.it/48u3g (reload the page to get new paste)
[13:13] <tMH> any ideas ?
 i guess if you're saying that the 18.04.3 iso's you have verified to have downloaded AND written to the boot media with the correct checksums, cannot verify the md5sum of some components when you do the live media test, then thats's probably worth reporting a bug if there's no such report, yet
[13:14] <tMH> btw, can someone tell me what is the difference between desktop and alternative versions ?
[13:16] <tMH> as I see there is no alt 18.04.03 version at all..
[13:16] <guiverc2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Alternate_ISO reports alternative are for low-ram machines  ; but no longer used
[13:16] <tMH> guiverc2 - please tell me - does it mean that lubuntu is always for lowcost machines, no matter - desktop version of alternative version is used ?
[13:17] <tMH> is always targeted to lowcost/old machines
[13:17] <guiverc2> this will be more up-to-date on alterate - https://lubuntu.me/alternate-insta/  (ie. installer is different)
[13:19] <guiverc2> Lubuntu historically concentrated on low-end; but that's not a CORE item anymore  -- https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[13:19] <guiverc2> "Therefore, our main focus is shifting from providing a distribution for old hardware to a functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer."
[13:19] <tMH> guiverc2 - btw, P3 and 512mb ram - what distro can you recommend in this case ?
[13:19] <tMH> ubuntu related, of course.
[13:20] <tMH> but might be debian one:)
[13:20] <tomreyn> i just loop mounted lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso and ran    md5sum --check <md5sum.txt | grep -v 'OK$'      and got no output
[13:20] <guiverc2> I won't go off-topic here... but P3 is unsupported in many browsers, in loads of software which requires CPU to have functions that don't exist in P3
[13:21] <tMH> guiverc2 - might me v16? or 12 ?
[13:21] <guiverc2> even debian requires i686  (they just call it i386 as does Ubuntu)
[13:21] <tomreyn> ... the same with     md5sum --quiet --strict --check <md5sum.txt
[13:22] <tMH> earlier I did upgrade 16.04 xubuntu to 18.04.03 and got a problem with geforce 6200 - no resolution except 1024x768 can be used... tried to compile nvidia drivers, got no success - get info that kernel stuff is messed up so nvidia drivers are messing up with it - too...
[13:22] <tMH> that is why I deciced to install all-new fresh system...
[13:23] <tMH> get=got
[13:23] <guiverc2> the base of Ubuntu systems (be it xubuntu, lubuntu) is the same... the major difference is GUI/desktop over that Ubuntu base.
[13:24] <tMH> 18.04 is heavy weight, as I noticed... even if I run firefox with _two_ tabs - the system load goes up to 100% ....
[13:24] <tomreyn> tMH: the files you state are missing are present for me
[13:24] <tMH> tomreyn - really ?
[13:24] <tMH> tomreyn - where do you unpack that iso - windows, linux ?
 i just loop mounted lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso and ran    md5sum --check <md5sum.txt | grep -v 'OK$'      and got no output
[13:24] <tMH> and what program do you use to unpack them ?
 ... the same with     md5sum --quiet --strict --check <md5sum.txt
[13:24] <tMH> tomreyn - hm....
[13:24] <tomreyn> just read what i wrote ;)
[13:25] <tMH> should I write that .iso from linux, then ?
[13:25] <tMH> pretty strange. I use ultraiso - as always did...
[13:25] <tMH> got no problem until this day...
[13:25] <tomreyn> use any software that's not broken, i guess
[13:27] <tMH> ok, I dloaded lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso once again.
[13:27] <tomreyn> why? use checksumming
[13:28] <tMH> ok, I'll run linux mint now , get that iso into.. and try to mount it.
[13:28] <tMH> just tell me command how to mount .iso, PLEASE:)
[13:29] <tMH> or let me find this info
[13:29] <tomreyn> sudo losetup --verbose --find lubuntu-18.04-alternate-i386.iso; losetup --all; sudo mount /dev/loopXXX /mnt/; cd /mnt; sudo md5sum --quiet --strict --check <md5sum.txt
[13:30] <tMH> uploading 18.04.03-desktop both files, and 18.04-alt both files.
[13:31] <tomreyn> you're uploading what where why?
[13:31] <tMH> tomreyn - iso files to linux box
[13:31] <tMH> done
[13:32] <tomreyn> that's fine with me then ;)
[13:32] <tomreyn> i won't personally support linux mint, though
[13:34] <tMH> tomreyn - very interesting...
[13:35] <tomreyn> that i dont support linux mint? i would not have thought so.
[13:35] <tMH> [2019-10-10][16:34]{tmh@rd2}[20] /mnt/iso>md5sum -c md5sum.txt | grep FAILED
[13:35] <tMH> [2019-10-10][16:34]{tmh@rd2}[21] /mnt/iso>
[13:35] <tMH> tomreyn - I have no questions about linux mint, just about lubuntu...
[13:36] <tomreyn> great.
[13:36] <tomreyn> then you came to the right place
[13:36] <tMH> nice to know ;)
[13:37] <tomreyn> there's more placed listed on the channel topic, though
[13:37] <tomreyn> *placeS
[13:38] <tMH> tomreyn - might be those isos have some cross-linked files ?
[13:38] <tMH> very strange thing...
[13:39] <tomreyn> i don't know what "cross-linked files" are, and even if i would, i probably don't know any more about those ISOs than you do
[13:41] <tMH> comparing mounted folders/files with unpacked ones...
[14:04] <tMH> ok, I'll install version 16 then..
[14:04] <tMH> at least it worked OK with my nvidia card, and wasn't THAT slow.
[14:04] <tomreyn> but end of life
[14:06] <tomreyn> you'll run a system with exploitable security vulnerabilities, wont be able to get support with this installation here.
[14:07] <tMH> tomreyn - anyway , the host is located on local network with no access from outside it, so fsck it, let it work ;)
[14:07] <tMH> btw, I know about archive.ubuntu.com
[14:07] <tMH> some support after official support end exists
[14:22] <tMH> ok, I 'mixed up' what was mount with what was unpacked into usb flash
[14:22] <tMH> md5sum on windows shows no errors.
[14:22] <tMH> let me run it now!;)
[14:57] <tMH> tomreyn - with squashfs big file everything is loading ok:)
[14:57] <tomreyn> i'm glad you worked it out
[15:01] <tMH> tomreyn - btw, do you know default root password for lubuntu v16 ?
[15:01] <tMH> I want to mount some disk in live mode I loaded.
[15:01] <tMH> disk/partitions
[15:06] <tMH> ah, sudo passwd..
[15:08] <tomreyn> also, "unsupported" means "unsupported"
[15:36] <seacucumber> hi!
[17:43] <dnz_> hi all, can someone help me? i 'm using my desktop with 1024x768 resolution.
[17:44] <wxl> !ask
[17:46] <dnz_> in past there was xorg.conf file. now ubuntu doesn't use it. and i don't know the way to increase resolution
[17:52] <wxl> dnz_: ubuntu or lubuntu?
[17:53] <dnz_> lubuntu
[17:53] <wxl> what version?
[17:53] <dnz_> 19.04 stable
[17:53] <wxl> you should just be able to use the monitor settings
[17:54] <dnz_> i have intel graphics card
[17:54] <wxl> if for some reason, it doesn't expose all the options, you've probably got some funky monitor that doesn't behave right, in which case, you can use the xorg.conf (which, yes, is still a thing) or xrandr in an autostart
[17:55] <dnz_> i am trying xrandr but nothing changes
[17:55] <wxl> so the monitor settings doesn't show you additional resolutions?
[17:56] <dnz_> no highest is 1024 768
[17:57] <wxl> here's how xrandr works:
[17:57] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution
[17:58] <wxl> here's a discussion of using xorg.conf:
[17:58] <wxl> https://askubuntu.com/questions/74808/how-do-i-force-a-resolution-of-1024x768
[18:01] <dnz_> cl1p.net/tfxwdfrzbx
[18:02] <wxl> that's nice and empty
[18:04] <dnz_> https://pastecode.xyz/view/131cb867
[18:04] <dnz_> how can i add 1280x1024 res.
[18:07] <genii> dnz_:  Creating and enabling a new resolution using xrandr is the best method
[18:08] <dnz_> genii, how? i'm not so good with comands
[18:09] <genii> dnz_: If you read the xrandr webpage wxl linked to, it has the instructions step by step
[18:18] <dnz_> hallelujah
[18:18] <dnz_> thanx a lot
[18:39] <akemhp> Hey, does LUbuntu works well with dual screen especially on TV via HDMI? Can i choose between extended display or mirrored?
[19:05] <wxl> akemhp: with the latest version you will get the best support. don't use 18.04.
[19:11] <akemhp> wxl, ok, yeah i got 19.04 in a virtual machine to test it actually.
 @akemhp [<akemhp> Hey, does LUbuntu works well with dual screen especially on TV via HDMI …], yes
[19:11] <akemhp> Ok, cool.
[19:11] <akemhp> Thanks.
 only that wallpapers assume one big screen when extended in >18.04
 I've done a script to solve it in case you need it
 https://code.launchpad.net/~hmollercl/stitchwp/+git/stitchwp


[20:17] <arraybolt3> guiverc[m]: Whenever you see this, let me know if Openbox has still been crash-free. If so, I'll upload the patch to the archive so it can get a workout in beta testing (assuming Britney doesn't cause us too much trouble getting Openbox through).


[00:57] <cengique> hi everyone. we're having trouble with Microstack installation on Ubuntu 18.04LTS. is there anyone who has experience?
[00:58] <cengique> we installed Ussuri v217 and initialized a control node, but when trying to add a compute node with this:
[00:59] <cengique> microstack add-compute
[01:00] <cengique> keystoneauth1.exceptions.http.BadRequest: The 'expires_at' must not be before now. The server could not comply with the request since it is either malformed or otherwise incorrect. The client is assumed to be in error. (HTTP 400) (Request-ID: req-6d714d32-c87e-4fa4-9a36-0986a84a82f4)
[01:03] <sarnold> hey cengique :)
[01:04] <cengique> hi, again, sarnold :)
[01:05] <cengique> I'll keep this connection open in case someone drops by ;)
[01:14] <cengique> I installed ntp and got it synced, but not changing the error
[01:15] <sarnold> how many machines are in this cluster? do they all have very-nearly-identical times?
[01:16] <cengique> so far we only have the control node, and we were attempting to add the first new node
[09:33] <jamespage> fnordahl: can you proposed branches against ~ubuntu-server-dev/ubuntu/+source/ovn pls :)
[09:36] <fnordahl> jamespage: ack, will retarget them there. thx!
[09:36] <jamespage> just updating all branches
[09:37] <jamespage> ok all up to date
[09:37] <jamespage> master -> hirsute
[09:37] <jamespage> the current ovn in proposed will need to clear through first
[09:37] <jamespage> I completed the testing tagging this morning
[09:46] <fnordahl> yes, that makes sense.
[11:35] <fnordahl> jamespage: pushed new MPs to right target now and addressed cpaelzer's review requests.
[11:38] <fnordahl> jamespage: since upstream maintainsstable branches for both 20.03 and 20.06 I used the upstream equivalent patch from branch-20.03 in focal instead of refreshing the one in master/groovy (it would have caused 1-line fuzz on apply otherwise), hope that's ok
[11:50] <cpaelzer> thanks fnordahl
[11:50] <cpaelzer> I wasn't sure you wanted my patch-mumbling, but since I saw it fly by I thought I can give it a look
[11:58] <jamespage> fnordahl: the fix is in 20.09.0 right? I'm also working on updates for hirsute for ovs and ovn generally
[12:08] <trippeh> huh, when netbooting live-server, it downloads the full iso twice. first by casper, then by cloud-init
[12:10] <trippeh> that seems rather excessive.
[12:13] <trippeh> bad enough it needs to download the iso at all ;-)
[12:35] <pagios> hello, i am looking for a  opensource Linux monitoring tool that allows me to centralize monitoring of my servers into a single place. For instance i would like to know the load on each of my servers using some agents and then trigger this central monitoring server via apis to get a status and do some actions. Do you recommend any project? Thank you
[12:43] <Maik> did you have a look at Nagios as i suggested in main?
[12:43] <pagios> yea its over complicated
[12:44] <Ussat> Nagios is hardly complicated
[12:44] <Maik> as with everything there's documentation where you can learn from, if it's still too complicated then i don't know
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> pagios: think cockpit could be useful too
[14:13] <RoyK> Poster: nagios is just outdated ;)
[14:13] <RoyK> erm - meant for pagios,but (s)he left
[14:14]  * RoyK sticks with zabbix
[14:20] <fnordahl> jamespage: 20.09.0 has the fix, yes


[06:01] <bodom> Hi there! My mdadm is resyncing a raid1 array, how do I know whether it's resyncing from sda to sdb or vice-versa?
[07:58] <xnox> bodom: it uses log and resyncs from both, but there is potential for dataloss, e.g. if you boot with sda in degraded mode, then reboot sdb in degraded mode (each time saving the same file), syncing will loose of the copies.
[14:43] <hannie> According to "Going through Motu" I need to get my package reviewed and signed off by two motus
[14:43] <hannie> I have uploaded the package to our team's ppa and filed a bug, see:
[14:43] <hannie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1207273
[14:47] <hannie> Can I find 2 motus here, willing to do that for me?


[11:52] <nobuto> Hi ubuntu-mozillateam, could you take a look at this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/1074663
[11:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1074663 in Ubuntu Translations ""You should restart Firefox now" popup is not translated" [Medium,Triaged]
[11:54] <nobuto> It's a l10n problem. Another firefox extensions, such as unity-firefox-extension, has a integration with Launchpad in translations.
[11:55] <nobuto> Can you take a look into unity-firefox-extension and apply those mechanism into ubufox?
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> nobuto, no, the code in unity-firefox-extension only works for properties files, and not dtd files
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> when i get the chance to integrate launchpad translations with firefox and ubufox, it will be done properly
[11:59] <nobuto> chrisccoulson: the message proposing restart is in .properties files. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/ubufox/raring/view/head:/locale/ja/ubufox-restart.properties
[12:00] <chrisccoulson> nobuto, but it also has translations in dtd files, and more could appear as i make changes
[12:01] <nobuto> chrisccoulson: OK, thanks.
[12:03] <nobuto> chrisccoulson: how long does it take? i.e. which is it fine to you that waiting it or directly making merge proposal to the branch?
[12:03] <nobuto> chrisccoulson: merge proposal means making translation in a branch.
[12:15] <nobuto> chrisccoulson: sorry for my rude question. let me clear my intension. On a short-term basis, could you apply partial l10n only to .properties in ubufox? Or are you proposing old way to translate in a branch without LP integration?
[12:30] <dpm> chrisccoulson, speaking of ubufox translations, when you've got a minute, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/ubufox/ca-update/+merge/132879 ? Thanks!