[05:24] <Kilos> morning all
[06:19] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:21] <Squirm> morning
[06:21] <Squirm> Nvm - Off to work
[06:21] <Squirm> chat later
[06:21] <Kilos> ok
[06:21] <Kilos> go safe
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyone using 15.04 already?
[07:19] <Kilos> nope are you?
[07:19] <Kilos> ill try it when officially released
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> not yet, but considering it
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> i usually install when the second beta hits
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> has served me well for all this time
[07:20] <Kilos> i once installed with the second beta but its not the same as an official release
[07:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> no idea what you mean by that
[07:20] <Kilos> the finishing touches make everything better
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> mm ok
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> debatable but whatever
[07:22] <Kilos> i once watched them on the dev channel just before a release and they do lots of finishing
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> well that's kinda obvious isn't it, if there was nothing else happening after final beta, then it wouldn't be the final beta, it would be the released version
[07:23] <Kilos> lol
[07:24] <Kilos> ya well i cant do finishing things like the clever peeps so ill wait rether
[07:24] <Kilos> rather
[07:25] <Kilos> they know what they are doing, i just break things
[07:33] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:34] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:53] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[09:43] <Squirm> Hello
[09:43] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[11:57] <gremble> Good day y'all
[11:57] <Kilos> hi gremble
[11:57] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[11:57] <gremble> How are you Kilos
[11:58] <Kilos> im good ty gremble  and you?
[11:58] <gremble> I am well thank you
[12:13] <pieter2627> hi Kilos
[13:01] <Squirm> Today
[13:01] <Squirm> is
[13:01] <Squirm> draggign
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> https://brentlindeque.wordpress.com/2015/04/02/best-aprilfools-ever-bmw-offered-a-free-car-as-a-prank-and-then-this-happened/
[13:19] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: That's brilliant!
[13:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> if only they did that here
[13:33] <Squirm> I'd have gone
[13:33] <Squirm> and if they refused
[13:34] <Squirm> Held them to their word :D
[13:34] <Squirm> False advertising and all
[13:34] <Squirm> :P
[13:34] <Kilos> lol
[13:40] <Kilos> inetpro  its the second, you dont have to hide anymore
[15:05] <Kilos> wbb, needs to do some ineternal investigation
[15:17] <Kilos> oh my, spooks visit here too
[15:27]  * Kilos hates getting things working and not know how i did it
[15:47] <Squirm> Home
[15:47] <Squirm> 1 week leave
[15:47] <Squirm> :D
[15:47] <Kilos> yay
[16:17] <Kilos> wb Tonberry
[16:18] <Tonberry> hi
[16:25] <Kilos> hi drussell  hows ya doing?
[16:30] <Mopkop> Hello!
[16:30] <Maaz> Mopkop: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell mopkop Please upload your branch, finished or not , so it can be reviewed and site go live" 2 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes and 6 seconds ago
[16:30] <Mopkop> O sorry, I'll get to that just now...
[16:30] <Kilos> hi Mopkop  hoe gaan dit seun?
[16:31] <Kilos> vergeet dit eers en vertel my hoe dit met jou gaan man
[16:32] <Mopkop> Hello oom. Baie om voor dankbaar te wees! En self? Jammer ek het so weggeraak. Ek sukkel met time management.  Die hele aand eintlik! Hulle sê mens moet ten minste 33% van jou dag gee vir werk en studies. Ek doen net studies to 5 uur, so die res van die tyd het ek vir kerk en Ubuntu :)
[16:39] <Kilos> rofl
[16:40] <Mopkop> O, en ek het toe Python geleer :)
[16:40] <Kilos> mooi
[16:41] <Mopkop> Maar dit was 2, moet nou net leer hoe 3 verskil.
[16:41] <Kilos> n begin is n begin
[16:43] <Kilos> en dit sal jou goed te stand kom as jy alby ken
[16:44] <Mopkop> Is daar enige nice video's oor Ubuntu, wat mense sal kry om dit te gebruik.  Ek moes reeds, 'n paar goed uithaal :(
[16:54] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Kilos> ek gaan eet nou
[17:03] <Mopkop> Geniet dit!
[17:11] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[17:11] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are you
[17:11] <Kilos> good ty busy eating
[17:12] <georgelappies> long time since I've been here ;)
[17:12] <Kilos> always good when im filling my face
[17:12] <Kilos> hows you?
[17:12] <georgelappies> aah eating is always good
[17:12] <Kilos> ya you very naughty
[17:12] <georgelappies> I am fine thanks
[17:12] <georgelappies> lol
[17:12] <Kilos> where you been?
[17:13] <georgelappies> been taking a break between my studies
[17:13] <Kilos> you okes break with the wrong stuff man
[17:13] <Kilos> hows thew studies going?
[17:14] <Kilos> the
[17:15] <georgelappies> studies is going well thanks
[17:15] <Kilos> good
[17:16] <georgelappies> yeah, wife needs some attention as well :) So between studies and work, I try and spend some time with family as well
[17:16] <Kilos> good man
[17:17] <Kilos> a happy wife is the main ingredient in every happy marriage
[17:25] <Kilos> Mopkop  how do you break your audio every time
[17:25] <georgelappies> very true
[17:26] <Mopkop> Kilos: This time I tried installing Realtek drivers to cancel out the static on the Microphone. Not a good idea!
[17:27] <Kilos> lol what do you do with a mike?
[17:32] <Kilos> Mopkop  save this link
[17:32] <Kilos> https://askubuntu.com/questions/138266/distorted-and-choppy-audio
[17:33] <Mopkop> O thank you Kilos! But I already solved that problem. I just keep creating new ones I have to fix :(
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:35] <Kilos> bit more practise and you can join the bugsquad
[17:35] <Mopkop> Haha!
[17:36] <Kilos> im serious they need helpers badly
[17:36] <Kilos> knowing python will be a big advantage i think
[17:37] <Mopkop> Who is the bugsquad?
[17:37]  * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[17:37] <Kilos> they the ubuntu peeps that fix bugs
[17:37] <Kilos> hi magellanic  ty all good now
[17:38] <Mopkop> Lol, duh. :P.
[17:38] <Kilos> im sure now i had to do the same thing on unity a year ago
[17:38] <Mopkop> Hello magellanic!
[17:38] <magellanic> heya
[17:39] <magellanic> Kilos: ah, the auto mute? or the modules config?
[17:39] <Kilos> i did both
[17:39] <Kilos> last time too
[17:39] <Kilos>  haha
[17:39] <magellanic> lol
[17:39] <magellanic> are your tunes clear now?
[17:39] <Kilos> yeah lekker ty
[17:40] <magellanic> nice
[17:40] <Kilos> and i put the alsaequal think too and turned down some volumes
[17:40] <magellanic> yeah I saw people complaining about volumes in the forums
[17:41] <Kilos> yeah crazy to drive speakers with built in amps with full volume
[17:42] <magellanic> if you get the time and inclined, remove that module setting and try, curious to see if it was the driver or alsa
[17:43] <Kilos> nono if it aint broke dont fix it
[17:43] <Kilos> leave well enough alone
[17:43] <magellanic> lol okay
[17:44] <Mopkop> I really should learn to follow that advice...
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <magespawn> good evening
[18:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:19] <Kilos> long time no see
[18:20] <magespawn> a little while, been busy
[18:21] <Kilos> haha everyones favourite excuse
[18:22] <Kilos> even busy sleeping is busy at something
[18:24] <magespawn> that is the next item n the agenda
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> you ok lad?
[18:25] <magespawn> just tired, too much work with the public holidays taing away two days
[18:25] <Kilos> ai!
[18:25] <magespawn> s/taing/taking
[18:27] <Mopkop> Hello magespawn!
[18:27] <magespawn> hi Mopkop
[18:28] <Mopkop> I just have the homepage left. Would it be OK to steal from the Ubuntu-ZA site?
[18:28] <Kilos> yes
[18:28] <magespawn> Kilos: but it will be good to have some time off
[18:28] <Kilos> always magespawn
[18:29] <Kilos> Mopkop  what superfly  doesnt like he will change'
[18:29] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:29] <Mopkop> I think he is going to redo the entire site :(
[18:29] <Kilos> letys hope not
[18:30] <magespawn> maybe i can get around to learning restructured text
[18:30] <Kilos> otherwise it means you gotta study harder
[18:30] <Kilos> Mopkop  let him see it and he will give advise, thats how one learns
[18:30] <Kilos> advice
[18:49] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:58] <Mopkop> Kilos: Can I steal this from you? "Ubuntu African Teams gathers all active Ubuntu Local Community Teams in  Africa. The main objective of Ubuntu African Teams is to bring all the  teams together to help each other and cooperate on different issues and  activities"
[18:58] <Kilos> yes of course
[18:59] <Kilos> dont forget that all other linux users are welcome to join us as well
[19:24] <Kilos> oh Mopkop  and of course to promote and grow ubuntu in africa
[19:25] <Kilos> grow, expand , spread, im not sure what sounds best
[19:25] <Kilos> hi captine
[19:25] <captine> hi there
[19:25] <Maaz> captine: By the way, superfly on freenode told me "Tell captine I've merged your changes and they're live on the site."  I hope I remember how...
[19:52] <Kilos> lol
[19:53] <Kilos> dont ask me im full from rtfs and getting nowhere
[19:54] <Mopkop> PS, I am not to be held responsible for any spelling mistakes, or any harm done to any person, computer or anyone's mental health.
[19:54] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <Kilos> inetpro  will fix it
[19:55] <inetpro> Mopkop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_often
[19:57] <Mopkop> inetpro: Note taken :)
[19:57] <Kilos> haha
[19:57] <Kilos> dont forget you score brownie points too
[20:02] <Mopkop> https://code.launchpad.net/~prysdieheer/ubuntu-africa/starting-pages
[20:02] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[20:04] <inetpro> of course I have nothing else to do
[20:05] <Kilos> but of course
[20:05] <Kilos> nothing more important anyway unless its family
[20:08] <inetpro> Mopkop: cool, that is a start at least :-)
[20:11] <Kilos> did you see the site inetpro  ? or just that lp page
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: you can test it also
[20:12] <inetpro> the page tells you exactly what to do
[20:12] <Kilos> i have forgotten all that with this ubuntu mail thing
[20:12] <Kilos> let me go read again
[20:13] <Mopkop> Kilos, I have an idea. I'm sure the church won't mind...
[20:13] <inetpro> you don't even have to remember much
[20:13] <Kilos> the bzr stuff?
[20:13] <Kilos> and nikola
[20:13] <Kilos> what Mopkop  ?
[20:13] <inetpro> Kilos: see "Get this branch"
[20:13] <Mopkop> Kilos: I'll ftp it to the church's domain so you can have a look :)
[20:14] <Mopkop> I'll delete it later.
[20:14] <Kilos> ok
[20:14] <inetpro> Mopkop: why?
[20:14] <Mopkop> So he doesn't have to sukkel with Nikola again.
[20:14] <inetpro> ai! Nikola makes life easy man
[20:14] <Mopkop> That is the problem isn't it?
[20:15] <Kilos> no i just forgot
[20:15] <Kilos> all the cd this and cd that
[20:15] <inetpro> just his fingers need to learn by repetition
[20:18] <Kilos> si i go to ubuntu-africa here and then branch and then the login thing
[20:23] <Mopkop> I don't get this nikola thing. How to I get the output to ftp?
[20:23] <inetpro> ai!
[20:24] <Mopkop> It has all the pages in the output folder, but I can't just double click on it....
[20:25] <inetpro> Mopkop: you can use rsync
[20:25] <Mopkop> on the output folder?
[20:26] <inetpro> well, before you do that
[20:27] <inetpro> do you have ssh access to your server?
[20:28] <inetpro> there's a very simple rsync example in your conf.py file
[20:29] <inetpro> all you need is to modify for your circumstances then you can just execute 'nikola deploy'... but
[20:29] <inetpro> you might not want to do it that way
[20:30] <Mopkop> inetpro: nope, I use shared hosting. So I don't get ssh.
[20:30] <Mopkop> Just ftp
[20:31] <inetpro> hmm... the point is, you just mirror the output/ folder to your webserver's destination folder
[20:31] <inetpro> for example: "rsync -rav --delete output/ joe@my.site:/srv/www/site"
[20:31] <Mopkop> I did that. It doesn't show the pictures and doesn't seem to link the stylesheets :(
[20:32] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:32] <Mopkop> Let me do it again and i'll show you...
[20:32] <Mopkop> I think it has somthing to do with the link paths...
[20:32] <Kilos> ive got mine  going so i can see the original site at miles@P64:~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/trunk/output$
[20:32] <inetpro> Mopkop: the links are relative to the root, that is why
[20:32] <Kilos> what  must i change inetpro
[20:33] <Mopkop> So I should create a sub-domain and try again?
[20:33] <inetpro> Mopkop: or you must figure out how to let nikola use relative links
[20:34] <Mopkop> aai...
[20:34] <Kilos> lol
[20:35] <Kilos> inetpro  i dont know how to point it to other branches
[20:35] <inetpro> Kilos: WAYTTD?
[20:35] <Kilos> see what he did
[20:35] <inetpro> uh
[20:37] <Kilos> oh i need to use that address from get this branch
[20:37] <inetpro> Kilos: go to the folder ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/ and then
[20:37] <inetpro>      bzr branch lp:~prysdieheer/ubuntu-africa/starting-pages
[20:38] <Kilos> sigh
[20:39] <Kilos> here by me or on lp
[20:39] <Kilos> as in how much must i do here in the terminal
[20:39] <inetpro> it will effectively download Mopkop's project into a folder called 'starting-pages' on your machine
[20:39] <Mopkop> Kilos: I feel the same. They should make a GUI for nikola. I think bzr already has a GUI.
[20:40] <inetpro> guys, this is easier than falling off a tree
[20:40] <Kilos> oh ya i see then nikola build and nikola branch
[20:41] <inetpro> nikola build && nikola serve
[20:41] <Kilos> but i have to already be in a branch to do that
[20:42] <inetpro> Kilos: go to the folder ~/Projects/ubuntu-africa/starting-page and then 'nikola build && nikola serve'
[20:42] <inetpro> obviously after having set the virtualenv thingy
[20:42] <Kilos> ai!
[20:43] <Kilos> all this so late at night
[20:43] <inetpro> it's just a matter of getting used to it, and you can not get used to it if you don't start somewhere
[20:45] <Mopkop> Maybe I should just install apache again. Then I can run it locally and you can see it by typing in my IP in your browser....
[20:46] <inetpro> Mopkop: no, he knows how to see it with nikola
[20:46] <inetpro> he has done it more than once
[20:47] <inetpro> repeat, repeat, repeat... eventually it will become 2nd nature
[20:47] <Mopkop> Ok :-[
[20:47] <Mopkop> Well I did find an easier way to do it than using pyenv :)
[20:48] <inetpro> putting it on another server is pointless and introduces more issues
[20:49] <Mopkop> echo "alias nikola=~/virtualenv/bin/nikola" | tee --append ~/.bash_aliases
[20:49] <Mopkop> Now you can just type in nikola and it will work through virtualenv :)
[20:50] <inetpro> yikes!
[20:50] <Mopkop> Did I break something again? =-O
[20:50] <Kilos> lopl
[20:50] <Kilos> lol ook
[20:50] <Kilos> ek te moeg nou
[20:51] <inetpro> Mopkop: no, just an interesting way of adding the alias to ~/.bash_aliases
[20:52] <Mopkop> inetpro: Is there an easier way?
[20:52] <inetpro> Mopkop: superfly said he has written up new instructions for us but we still need to see that
[20:53] <inetpro> there are multiple ways to do it
[20:53]  * inetpro thought the pyenv was quite simple
[20:53] <Mopkop> I like the copy-paste way :)
[20:54] <inetpro> you do it once and it gets out of your way
[20:55] <inetpro> but my simple tends to be complicated for most people
[20:55]  * inetpro is used to that
[20:55] <Mopkop> inetpro: Indeed!
[20:57] <superfly> inetpro: I wrote them up on Trello
[20:59] <Kilos> im too tired to go on now guys.
[20:59] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:59] <inetpro> superfly: where?
[21:00] <inetpro> Kilos: good night
[21:00] <Mopkop> Night Kilos!
[21:00] <Kilos> sorry i cant go on
[21:01] <Mopkop> I'm going to bed too. Have Church tomorrow. Lekker slaap almal!
[21:05] <superfly> inetpro: it looks like someone overwrote it
[21:05] <inetpro> ai!
[21:05] <inetpro> where was it?
[21:06] <superfly> inetpro: oh, wait, here it is: https://trello.com/c/hRfmh5Kd/45-build-ubuntu-africa-site
[21:06] <inetpro> unfortunately trello has no version control for the description
[21:07]  * inetpro will look at that tomorrow then we can revise the whole thing and publish on the site
[21:08] <inetpro> using trello for documentation is not the best idea
[21:09] <inetpro> thanks superfly
[21:09] <superfly> indeed not
[21:10] <inetpro> but it's a nice and easy way to get started
[21:10] <inetpro> good night


[07:25] <dpm> good morning all
[07:25] <Numbskull> good morning, dpm
[07:30] <artnay> hi all
[07:30] <artnay> trijntje: I can't see ubuntu desktop guide translated in your language: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/nl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ubuntu+desktop+guide
[07:31] <artnay> in Finnish it's been translated for months, yet the translation doesn't show up in yelp: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubuntu-docs/+pots/ubuntu-help/fi/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=ubuntu+desktop+guide
[07:31] <dpm> hi Numbskull
[08:43] <TLE> dpm: good morning
[08:45] <dpm> morning TLE
[08:45] <dpm> happy release day everyone!
[08:46] <sagaci> 21% on en_AU to go :)
[08:48] <TLE> you too
[08:48] <TLE> I'm working on the lang pack release schedule for oneiric
[08:48] <TLE> (last minute)
[08:49] <TLE> dpm: I'll send out a suggestion on the email list as soon as it is done
[08:49] <dpm> TLE, ah, awesome :)
[09:51] <artnay> dpm: are you aware if there's any blueprint for docs and translation team coordination? that would probably help a lot with LTS docs. there's DocumentationStringFreeze and NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline but at least docfreeze hasn't been very solid.
[09:53] <artnay> I bet some translators belong to docs team, too. I don't know much about schedule, workflow etc. when it comes to doc team
[11:20] <TLE> hey guys, anyone know of the top of their heads how (in moinmoin) to insert a horizontal line in a table without borders?
[11:25] <TLE> arrrrgh, it was a bad idea to start editing the wiki on release day
[11:25] <TLE> the servers ar ebeing hammerede
[11:25] <iceroot> same problem here :(
[11:26] <iceroot> need some info from the wiki but its down
[11:27] <kelemengabor> keep pressing F5, for the third time it worked for me :)
[11:28] <iceroot> ah great :) know its working here also :) time to kill some bugs
[11:28] <TLE> kelemengabor: good old trick
[11:40] <TLE> dpm_: you doing a sustainable translation session on UDS?
[11:41] <dpm_> TLE, I might do, I still haven't started preparing all the blueprints (just some of the objectives). Ask me again tomorrow after the release :)
[11:43] <TLE> will do, I would like to have a discussion about the stream lining the language pack releases a bit, and so I need to figure out whether that should be part of another session or a stand alone, but let's talk about that tomorrow
[11:54] <dpm> ok, cool, thanks TLE
[12:36] <kelemengabor> TLE: I'm looking at the proposed langpack update schedule, and I have a question
[12:36] <TLE> kelemengabor: yes
[12:36] <kelemengabor> which of these are planned to be full language pack updates?
[12:37] <kelemengabor> so that they can contain help updates
[12:37] <TLE> none so far, I have not been keeping myself up to date with that discussion
[12:38] <TLE> But I guess if we have a procedure for that, we decide which of them are most appropriate for that and tag them for it
[12:39] <kelemengabor> I don't know if we have a procedure... one thing is certain, we should coordinate such updates with the docs team, so that they can generate a new ubuntu-docs package for us, with exported translations
[12:39] <kelemengabor> mdke: any comment on this? :)
[12:40] <kelemengabor> how about using the second update as such?
[12:40] <kelemengabor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/OneiricLanguagePackReleaseSchedule
[12:41] <kelemengabor> that is, six weeks from now
[12:42] <TLE> yeah the second or the third might be good for that, and _maybe_ one of the last ones
[13:30] <kelemengabor> dpm: now that Oneiric is out... we won't have Gnome 3.2.1 packages as updates, right?
[13:30] <dpm> kelemengabor, not sure, we usually have them, though
[13:30] <dpm> that is, .1 updates
[13:32] <kelemengabor> would be great :)
[15:00] <TLE> kelemengabor: hey, which of the documentation guys do we need to talk to about the full update stuff? mdke ?
[15:00] <TLE> or is there someone else that I can forward the email to
[15:00] <kelemengabor> TLE: AFAIK yes, he is their dpm :)
[15:00] <dpm> hehe :)
[15:04] <TLE> ok, that would be the guy then
[15:04] <TLE> ahh yes, Matthew East, that sounds about right
[15:27] <jkbys> dpm: ping
[15:27] <dpm> hi jkbys
[15:27] <jkbys> hi
[15:27] <jkbys> My name is Jun Kobayashi, from Ubuntu Japan LoCo.
[15:28] <jkbys> Could you take a look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/873401 ?
[15:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873401 in live-build (Ubuntu) "Check disc for defects failed with a iso images built using ubuntu-defaults-image (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[15:37] <dpm> let me read the bug
[15:40] <dpm> jkbys, I've set the bug to be against the right package. pitti, the maintainer of ubuntu-defaults-builder should soon come back to you about this. If not, you can always find him in the #ubuntu-devel IRC channel
[15:42] <jkbys> Thank you.
[20:15] <trijntje> artnay: You are right that the term 'Ubuntu desktop guide' is not translated in dutch. I was referring to the fact that translations do show up. I probably misunderstood your bug report


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[11:19] <mparillo> Tweeted (a bit too briefly...twitter does not expand URLs).
 Final RC's are now tommorow. These images are interim. … https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-October/004224.html
 well, that's what the email sounds like anyway. it's a bit, they are, but they aren't
[11:23] <mparillo> Doh! That is what I get for seeing something here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/383/builds
 we need to wait for official announcement from the release team on things like this, before we announce stuff on our website
[11:28] <mparillo> In prior years, I have seen 4 to 5 RCs before final
[11:30] <mparillo> I think the extra word, "final" might be the big one. In this case, reading your link, they know they will have another set of ISOs. In the past somebody finds a stop-ship bug, and the re-spin.
 Well I just changes 'final' for 'initial' on the website
 and added "Note: This is an initial spin of the RC images. It is likely that at least one more rebuild will be done on Monday."
 since that story is now syndicated everywhere!
[11:34] <mparillo> And twitter is just a bare link. So let me edit G+
[11:35] <mparillo> Ahh, you also changed the URL
[11:37] <mparillo> Old tweet deleted to avoid 404. New Tweet with some text out
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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[19:41] <valorie> sorry for jumping the gun on the RC story folks
[19:41] <valorie> thanks to acheronuk for fixing
[19:50] <mparillo> It is a tough path. I seem to recall sometimes we have had a half-dozen release candidates before final. If you wait until the end, then there is no time for testing. If you test early, you face the frustration of re-spins resetting your test completions to zero. That is why I generally ask if there is a planned respin before I test.
[19:50] <valorie> yup
[19:51] <valorie> we basically need as much RC testing as all the alphas and betas put together, usually
[19:58] <valorie> and that reminded me to stop seeding and remove the beta2 torrents
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[14:35] <kevinO> hello does anyone know hot to calibrate touchscreens? I have an elo touchscreen that pretty much works out of the box, it just needs to be calibrated.
[14:50] <Celtiore> hi
[14:50] <Celtiore> kevinO
[14:51] <Celtiore> kevinO  : http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/evtouch
[14:51] <Celtiore> i have elotocuh 1515l usb and it works
[16:27] <tonyespy> Blythe: the canonical wiki has two addresses for the montreal office?
[16:29] <tonyespy> one is 1250 Renee Leveque and the other is listed as the Support Office is listed at 1425 RL?
[16:29] <tonyespy> sorry wrong channel.  ;(
[20:59] <jhaas> Hello... I'm attempting to install Ubuntu MID on my Samsung Q1U. I put it on a USB drive and booted, was prompted to press ENTER, the standard Linux boot stuff rolled by, then it said "will mount from /dev/sdb", and has sat there for like 15 minutes. The activity light on the USB drive is flashing. Should I just let it sit there, and how long should it take?
[21:02] <jhaas> Anyone?
[21:11] <GrueMaster> jhaas:  You may need to reimage your flash drive.  What command did you use?
[21:11] <jhaas> Hmm, I don't remember, GrueMaster. I imaged the drive a few weeks ago but only now got around to installing.
[21:12] <jhaas> Is there a good way of putting the .img file on a USB drive in Windows? I'm at work at the moment and Windows is the operating system convenient to me right now.
[21:12] <GrueMaster> If you still have the img file lying around, use "dd bs=1024 if=<imagefile.img> of=/dev/sdb"
[21:13] <GrueMaster> Or whatever your usb drive is on your host pc.
[21:13] <GrueMaster> But you need the "bs=1024".  Otherwise, the drive won't always work.
[21:13] <jhaas> I do still have the .img... will give it a try.
[21:16] <jhaas> I'm still a bit of a Linux newbie... what command can I use to verify that /dev/sdb is in fact my USB drive so I don't accidentally clobber a different one?
[21:16] <GrueMaster> after inserting the drive, type "dmesg" to see which one it was detected as.
[21:17] <GrueMaster> Also, make sure to unmount it before using dd, as the filesystem can become corrupted otherwise.
[21:21] <jhaas> Taking forever to copy the .img file from the Windows box I downloaded it to to my home directory.
[21:21] <jhaas> ::impatient::
[21:44] <jhaas> Seems to have done the trick, GrueMaster, thanks.
[21:44] <GrueMaster> No problem.  Have fun with your new image.
[21:45] <jhaas> Will try.
[21:45] <jhaas> I'm hoping to find some use for this Q1U, which was all but unusable with Vista on it :)
[21:46] <GrueMaster> You may need to install the mad wifi drivers to get wireless working.  Other than that, ours work fine.
[21:47] <GrueMaster> Of course, don't try to run Doom3 or Quake4.
[21:48] <jhaas> And, there goes the battery. Knew I shoulda brought the charger.
[21:49] <jhaas> Oh well, will play with it when I get home.
[21:50] <jhaas> Thanks again, I'm off.
[21:57] <mkrufky> ...anybody else notice that mobilepartners.canonical.com is down?>
[22:30] <davisc> Are the deps for virtual-mobile-builder broken? Saying "Depends: ubuntu-vm-builder (>= 0.4-0ubuntu0.3) but 0.4-0ubuntu0.3~804um1 is to be installed"
[22:30] <davisc> (or the version of ubuntu-vm-builder)


[12:07] <tdr112> morning
[12:32] <ebel> morning
[12:33] <tdr112> is slashtommy alright
[12:34] <tdr112> noting from him in a few days
[12:34]  * slashtommy is fine
[12:35] <tdr112> its alive
[12:35] <tdr112> anyone up for a ubuntu hour next week
[12:36] <slashtommy> when did you have in mind?
[12:36] <tdr112> science gallery have a new show starting this week i think
[12:38] <slashtommy> ubuntu hour at the science gallery?
[12:38] <ebel> yeah saw science gallary was packed last week
[12:38] <ebel> something about stomachs I think
[12:40] <tdr112> http://www.sciencegallery.com/node/3418
[15:03] <slashtommy> tdr112: what's your suggestion?
[15:33] <tdr112> i think sciencegallery saturday week lunch time , have a look around and a cup of tea in the cafe
[15:47] <slashtommy> saturday 25 feb?
[16:13] <tdr112> yep
[16:16] <slashtommy> sounds good
[16:16] <slashtommy> you going to email the list?
[16:18] <tdr112> yep i will do it on the way home
[20:59] <infoturtle> how do all
[21:00] <Victor9098> all good in da hood
[21:00] <ebel> ello all
[21:00] <ebel> irc meeting scheduled to start now
[21:00] <airurando> evening
[21:00] <airurando> go for it
[21:00]  * ebel shall chair
[21:00] <ebel> #startmeeting
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[21:01] <ebel> well we'll wait a few mins for others to arrive
[21:01]  * ebel hands out some coffee
[21:01] <ebel> so, how's the form?
[21:01] <infoturtle> ooooooo, coffee
[21:01] <airurando> all good here and with you ebel?
[21:01] <Victor9098> mmmm, a brew
[21:02]  * ebel is grand
[21:03]  * infoturtle too
[21:04] <tdr112> hello
[21:04] <airurando> hiya tdr112
[21:05] <Victor9098> hey!
[21:05] <Victor9098> Everyone see the survey to select the new sounds for 12.04??
[21:06] <infoturtle> nope
[21:06] <ebel> nope....
[21:06] <airurando> yip
[21:06] <infoturtle> seen that grooveshark are charging in Ireland for service now tho, that upset me
[21:06] <ebel> infoturtle: grooveshark worked for me the other day…
[21:07] <Victor9098> Here's the link to the article, sounds, and then the survey: http://design.canonical.com/2012/02/sound-theme-update/
[21:07] <infoturtle> worked for you in the bussiness sense or the way it's ment to work as a music player?
[21:07] <ebel> infoturtle: worked as playing music for free over the internet on demand
[21:08] <tdr112> will we make a start
[21:08] <ebel> anyways, we should start the meeting proper...
[21:08] <ebel> I am your chair, please say PRESENT if you're paying attention
[21:08] <ebel> #link the meeting agenda is here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/338/detail/
[21:08] <ebel> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/338/detail/
[21:08] <airurando> PRESENT
[21:08] <moylan> PRESENT
[21:08] <Victor9098> PRESENT
[21:08] <infoturtle> ya, a friend just wrote about it on the site, must be new
[21:08] <infoturtle> PRESENT
[21:09] <tdr112> PRESENT
[21:09] <ebel> i added an item to the agenda today and it put it at the top, so i'll mentally move that last
[21:09] <ebel> #topic Review of previous action items from airurando
[21:09] <ebel> airurando: ?
[21:09] <airurando> none for this month
[21:10] <airurando> onwards and upwards
[21:10] <ebel> cool
[21:10] <ebel> #topic 12.04 LTS Release Party from (I thihk Victor9098 ?)
[21:11] <Victor9098> Yes I added that, just thought we could get the ball rolling for the LTS
[21:11] <ebel> good idea
[21:11] <airurando> yeah
[21:12] <Victor9098> But also should have added the Global Jam (but maybe consider that in any other business)
[21:12] <airurando> sounds good
[21:13] <ebel> release 2 months away isn't it, right?
[21:13] <Victor9098> April 26th
[21:13] <infoturtle> 4th month
[21:13] <ebel> ok, good to get started
[21:13] <ebel> what shall we do? ideas!
[21:13] <ebel> (god pangolins are ugly. Why couldn't it be a panda? everyone loves pandas)
[21:14] <moylan> too obvious
[21:14] <tdr112> i like pandas
[21:14] <czajkowski> lol
[21:14] <czajkowski> wait till we see waht R is going to be
[21:14] <infoturtle> could be worse to be fair
[21:14] <moylan> i like pandas too, but i couldn't eat a whole one :-D
[21:15] <infoturtle> mmmmmmmmm
[21:15] <infoturtle> BBQ panda
[21:15] <Victor9098> :D
[21:15] <moylan> how do you like it? rare? :-)
[21:15] <infoturtle> should we BBQ a panda for the party?
[21:15] <Victor9098> Guess we are going to the chinese then....they probable have both ;)
[21:15] <ebel> right, so ideas? Go to a pub/restauarnt? usual idea? or jimmy chungs? :P
[21:15] <airurando> based on past experience I suggest the Saturday after release day 28th of April
[21:16] <infoturtle> cool
[21:16] <moylan> sounds best
[21:16] <ebel> (pic of cute panda on a plane: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-U2d3UBNU-qM/TvGWdu3KabI/AAAAAAAAMrk/F26ljXcEFoE/Img%2B2011-12-21%2Bat%2B08.18.45.jpg )
[21:16] <infoturtle> ^^ ba ha ha ha!!!
[21:16] <Victor9098> Sat afternoon, food then meet and greet in a bar or at least somewhere with wifi and a bit on room!?
[21:16] <infoturtle> I lie the sound of this
[21:16] <infoturtle> 8like
[21:16] <infoturtle> **
[21:17] <ebel> good idea
[21:17] <Victor9098> (that's how they flew them to Scotland....)
[21:17] <tdr112> yep the sat is best
[21:17] <ebel> wifi would be a plus, but is it that important? lotsa people have mobile data, right?
[21:17] <ebel> saturday is good idea
[21:18] <infoturtle> yea, bring usb's and make live installs off one copy even
[21:18] <infoturtle> don't need to mass download it
[21:18]  * airurando shoots himself in the foot again as he'll be working on 28 Apr 12 :(
[21:18] <Victor9098> True, or all we really need is a downloaded copy that we can 'supply' to people if they bring a usb
[21:18] <Victor9098> Airurando can attend via Google hangout
[21:18] <moylan> bring usbs and making copies from a single point would be very olympic torch like. cool!
[21:19] <ebel> we could delay it by another week, we /might/ have offical cds by then....
[21:19] <ebel> this time it was delayed for many temas
[21:19] <ebel> but before we got them a few days after release
[21:19] <infoturtle> I'm down for what ever day really, unless I've exams but I've no idea when they start
[21:19] <tdr112> lets not worry about it now
[21:20] <ebel> yeah, we could play it by ear for now?
[21:20] <Victor9098> ok, so we will pencil in April 28th or May 5th for our Release Party?
[21:20] <ebel> yeah?
[21:20] <tdr112> yes
[21:20] <infoturtle> sounds like the plan
[21:20] <moylan> yes
[21:20] <airurando> yip
[21:21] <airurando> venues?
[21:21] <airurando> decide here or mailing list?
[21:21] <infoturtle> mailing list
[21:21] <ebel> well, dublin? other places are encouraged to have their own parties?
[21:21] <infoturtle> I'd like to go to the Dublin one
[21:21] <infoturtle> I find some events here to be low on attendies
[21:22] <airurando> decide venue and exact date at the march meeting.
[21:22] <Victor9098> We can plan for Dublin in the mailinf list and let others add other locations leadin gup
[21:22] <tdr112> lets have a few options and pick next meeting
[21:22] <ebel> #topic CD Distribution
[21:23] <ebel> from me
[21:23] <ebel> basically i still have a decent amount of cds left
[21:23] <ebel> as i said in last meeting i contacted lots of people and asked them to send SAEs so i could post them
[21:23] <ebel> but haven't heard anything
[21:23] <ebel> (i.e. if you send me a SAE I didn't get it, please contact me)
[21:23] <airurando> Victor9098 will you mail the list looking for feedback re venue and preferred date?
[21:24] <ebel> So we have lots left. However i doubt we'll shift them all
[21:24] <Victor9098> I can *learn* to do that ;)
[21:24] <airurando> that's a pity ebel.
[21:24] <ebel> We shifted lots when i paid for posting them. Might do that in future since you send more around. twas only about €30 anyways
[21:24] <ebel> ah well, you live you learn.
[21:24] <ebel> so we could do that for next release
[21:25] <airurando> Victor9098 good on ya!
[21:25] <Victor9098> Next release will not be cds though... too big
[21:25] <ebel> oh? TBH I haven't looked into it
[21:25] <airurando> ebel I think we meed to develop the drop off/pick up system more
[21:26] <Victor9098> From what I understand it will be about 50mb oversized
[21:26] <airurando> Victor9098 probably DVDs
[21:26] <ebel> hmm, will we be getting discs?
[21:26] <moylan> if they can't get it on a cd they should default to a 4gb distro, no?
[21:27] <airurando> moylan mr shuttleworth fixed it at 750mb
[21:27] <airurando> doesn't want bloath
[21:27] <ebel> ok, i'll need to check if we are getting discs for distribution
[21:28] <ebel> in which case we might not have to do anything next release
[21:28] <moylan> 4gb would allow most apps to be residing on the dvd and save a download for those on dialup
[21:28] <ebel> moylan: only people in the developing world are on dialup
[21:28] <tdr112> i am getting to dislike how much say he has
[21:28] <infoturtle> dailup and cd's, what an age we live in
[21:28] <moylan> ebel: still a lot of folk on dialup in ireland.
[21:29] <ebel> #action ebel to investigate if locos are getting disks next release
[21:29] <meetingology> ACTION: ebel to investigate if locos are getting disks next release
[21:29] <airurando> moylan indeed but the thought is to keep it small and comfy on a 2gb thumb drive.
[21:30] <moylan> fair enough but after going over the 700mb limit they should optimise to the next medium size.  whether it be 1gb or 4gb is irrelevent.
[21:31] <airurando> tdr112 perhaps I said it wrong.  long story at UDS. czajkowski can probably explain it better
[21:31] <ebel> right
[21:31] <ebel> #topic AOB ?
[21:31] <ebel> Victor9098: you said something?
[21:31] <Victor9098> Global Jam 2 - 4 March 2012
[21:31] <tdr112> can i do my topic
[21:31] <ebel> #topic global jam
[21:31] <tdr112> as i have to do
[21:31] <tdr112> go
[21:31] <ebel> tdr112: sure, go ahead
[21:32] <tdr112> ubnutu hour in dublin next week
[21:32] <airurando> we can get back to UGJ
[21:32] <tdr112> in the  sciencegallery saturday week
[21:32] <ebel> tdr112: good idea
[21:32] <tdr112> i will email to the list tonight
[21:32] <moylan> what time?
[21:32] <airurando> good stuff
[21:32] <tdr112> 2pm
[21:32] <Victor9098> will watch for details
[21:32] <moylan> cool
[21:32] <tdr112> meeting at 1.30 for people who want to look around
[21:33] <tdr112> 2pm for people just for tea
[21:33] <ebel> tdr112: good idea
[21:33] <airurando> tdr112 will you put it up on the LTP?
[21:33] <tdr112> what LTP
[21:33] <airurando> loco team portal that was the loco dir
[21:34] <tdr112> i will put it on the loco dir thing
[21:34] <tdr112> have to get a bus see ya
[21:34] <ebel> cool, good idea
[21:34] <airurando> bye
[21:34] <moylan> take care
[21:34] <Victor9098> bye!
[21:35] <ebel> right, Victor9098 ?
[21:36] <ebel> #agreed ubuntu hour in dublin in science gallery
[21:36] <Victor9098> Just on the topic of the Jam, just thought we better arrange something
[21:36] <infoturtle> I'm setting one up in Limerick via the UL compsoc, just need a date
[21:37] <infoturtle> wanted to do it the same date as Dublin if there was one
[21:37] <ebel> infoturtle: good idea
[21:37] <Victor9098> I saw some suggestions in the mailing list, hangouts and so
[21:37] <infoturtle> hangouts on the day would be great
[21:37] <ebel> dublin ideas: tog (again)? some other venue (where?), virtual meetings, other ideas?
[21:37] <Victor9098> 2 - 4 March 2012 is the official dates, 3rd would be a sat
[21:38] <infoturtle> are we all good for the 3rd?
[21:39] <Victor9098> Sounds good
[21:40]  * ebel might be
[21:40] <ebel> Victor9098: do you wanna organise this?
[21:40] <airurando> i know tdr112 can't make it that weekend
[21:41] <Victor9098> Not sure I would be the best for the Jam, somebody else might be better able to assess requirements and location
[21:42] <infoturtle> just a place with power supply, table and net
[21:42] <ebel> yep
[21:44] <ebel> ok, well, see if something happens?
[21:44] <ebel> for dates, tis good to email the mailing list and or use a doodle poll, and see what the dates are like?
[21:44] <Victor9098> I will add to the mailing list this evening and the other about the release party, see if suggestions come?
[21:44] <ebel> Victor9098: people will help you organise things if you want. it's really really easy
[21:45] <infoturtle> I've to book rooms two weeks in advance so the sooner we know the better for me
[21:45] <airurando> It is so close to the start of march now I reckon just go for the 3rd
[21:45] <ebel> Sometimes you just have to grab the thing by the horns and just fecking do it :)
[21:45] <Victor9098> Well, we will settle on the 3rd now, and then figure out a physical location
[21:45] <airurando> if something can't be arranged for Dub then those in Dug can join Limerick via G plus hangout
[21:46] <ebel> sure
[21:46] <infoturtle> sure, that'll work :D
[21:46] <ebel> anything else?
[21:46] <Victor9098> For those of us around Dub anyway
[21:46] <infoturtle> nope, think we're done
[21:46] <Victor9098> not from me
[21:46] <airurando> ebel comment on the old website?
[21:47] <ebel> #topic Website
[21:47] <ebel> yay for website
[21:47] <infoturtle> :D
[21:47] <ebel> apparently canonical hosting can change DNS stuff
[21:47] <ebel> there was a lot of automated spam on old website ubuntu-ie.org
[21:47] <airurando> just to report that the old ubuntu-ie.org was taken down due to spam
[21:47] <Victor9098> Yeah, I got that via my RSS feeds
[21:47] <ebel> so it's gone offline now
[21:48] <ebel> infoturtle: you were the one who wanted to do the 'setting it up on blacknight' right?
[21:48] <infoturtle> yep
[21:48] <infoturtle> we got details now?
[21:48] <airurando> infoturtle you have a clean slate now.
[21:49] <airurando> no migration
[21:49] <ebel> infoturtle: details? you have blacknight account details, right?
[21:49] <infoturtle> oh, that just makes everything a lot faster to do now
[21:49] <airurando> fresh start
[21:49] <airurando> :)
[21:49] <infoturtle> oooooo I'm not sure if I do anymore
[21:49] <infoturtle> any chance you can resend them ebel??
[21:49] <ebel> sent
[21:50] <infoturtle> cheers ebel
[21:50] <ebel> right, have a look there, setup your /etc/hosts, play around, let us know when you're ready?
[21:50] <infoturtle> will do!
[21:50] <airurando> next meeting 21 Mar 12?
[21:51] <ebel> #agreed infoturtle will set up draft new ubuntu-ie.org on BK
[21:51] <infoturtle> airurando that's fine by me
[21:51] <ebel> airurando: sounds fine
[21:51] <Victor9098> sounds good
[21:51] <airurando> rocking!
[21:51] <ebel> #agreed next meeting 21st march 2012
[21:52] <ebel> AOB?
[21:52] <infoturtle> I'm good anyway
[21:52] <airurando> I'm all done
[21:52] <ebel> #endmeeting
[21:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 21:52:41 2012 UTC.
[21:52] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2012/ubuntu-ie.2012-02-15-21.00.moin.txt
[21:52] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-ie/2012/ubuntu-ie.2012-02-15-21.00.html
[21:52] <ebel> thanks for coming everyone
[21:52] <airurando> thanks ebel
[21:52] <Victor9098> thanks for the coffee
[21:52] <infoturtle> huzzar for all
[21:54] <ebel> :)
[22:04] <infoturtle> ebel I created the domain new.ubuntu-ie.org ages ago thinking I was creating a subdomain of the ubuntu-ie.org site but it seems I have to delete it to create ubutu-ie.org, will deleting it affect our hosting on it or will I get rid of it and create ubuntu
[22:04] <infoturtle> *ubuntu-ie.org, sorry pressed enter too soon
[22:06] <czajkowski> ubuntu-ie.org currently redirects to loco.u.c/irish team
[22:06] <czajkowski> due to spam being on the website
[22:06] <czajkowski> and it was just easier
[22:09] <infoturtle> it's cool, figured it out
[22:24]  * ebel is unsure how the blacknight interface would workd


[20:29] <luis220413> I would like to prepare a security update for Tor but the 0.4.2 series, to which the version in Focal belongs, is no longer supported upstream. For Bionic I will package <IP_ADDRESS>.
[20:29] <luis220413> Note that Trisquel has regular updates for Tor: https://ftp.caliu.cat/pub/distribucions/trisquel/packages/pool/main/t/tor/
[20:30] <luis220413> Trisquel is a Ubuntu derivative without any nonfree software.
[20:34] <Unit193> Pretty sure the bionic version will no longer really be useful.  Depending on the version, obfs4proxy would be a good candidate too for jammy.
[20:37] <luis220413> Looking at the Trisquel repositories, I will package version <IP_ADDRESS> to Bionic, Focal and Jammy as an SRU.
[20:40] <luis220413> Unit193: OK, I will also package obfs4proxy if there are vulnerabilities or other major bugs.
[20:44] <Unit193> It's golang, needed new stuff, sooo...
[20:45] <Unit193> !info obfs4proxy jammy
[20:45] <Unit193> .13 is fine, actually.
[20:53] <luis220413> Unit193: 0.3.5 seems not to be supported upstream.
[20:54] <luis220413> Tor 0.3.5
[20:55] <rbasak> luis220413: just because something isn't supported upstream doesn't automatically disqualify it from receiving a cherry-pick. The norm is for upstreams not to have any specific support promises for the vast majority of packages anyway.
[20:55] <rbasak> And yet distributions patch their packages for security updates normally by cherry-picking.
[20:56] <Unit193> rbasak: The difference here is that it's privacy focused software, and needs to connect to the Tor network.
[20:56] <rbasak> Yeah so if that's a reason to need a major version bump then that's fine.
[20:56] <rbasak> But then that would be the justification, not "not supported upstream".
[20:58] <rbasak> "Updates that need to be applied to Ubuntu packages to adjust to changes in the environment, server protocols, web services, and similar, i. e. where the current version just ceases to work." - but that's an exception available should it be required. Not the norm, especially when a cherry-pick would work.
[20:58] <rbasak> (from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#High-impact_bugs)
[20:59] <rbasak> "Not supported upstream" is starting to trigger me. It's not a justification. That would be the cart leading the horse.
[20:59] <luis220413> rbasak: Ignore that. A good justification is that protocol changes require Tor to be updated (and it is even explicitly listed in that wiki page)
[21:00] <rbasak> luis220413: sure, but to be clear, is Tor actually broken on Focal already because protocol changes have broken it?
[21:01] <Unit193> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2022-March/020446.html - https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2022-March/020447.html - https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2022-April/020470.html for some useful mailing list posts.
[21:02] <luis220413> rbasak: That will require deeper testing.
[21:02] <luis220413> rbasak: Is there an exception to allow upgrades to the latest upstream release for Tor?
[21:04] <luis220413> Unit193: OK. Should I proceed with the upgrade to <IP_ADDRESS> for all Ubuntu releases?
[21:04] <rbasak> luis220413: not specifically, though Tor is an example given in the policy. I think you'd still need to demonstrates that the tor package no longer work, or will shortly stop working, or has some similar major flaw, when connecting to the Tor network.
[21:05] <rbasak> So if for example there's an upstream schedule with a deadline for rejecting that version of the Tor client, then that might be reasonable.
[21:05] <luis220413> rbasak: See bug 1837793
[21:05] <Unit193> luis220413: At the very least a backport, I'd say.  Given how terrible Ubuntu's rep is in the Tor community, it can't hurt to get *something* *somewhere*.
[21:06] <rbasak> However, if upstream routinely runs a schedule that makes it impossible to keep up with for the lifetime of an Ubuntu release, perhaps it'd be better to remove Tor from the (deb) archive entirely and rely on snaps or something.
[21:07] <rbasak> IMHO, "not recommended" isn't really good enough. So many upstreams make that claim nowadays, when really they just disagree fundamentally with distribution's stable release policies.
[21:07] <luis220413> rbasak: It is maintainable for the lifetime of an Ubuntu release. See https://ftp.caliu.cat/pub/distribucions/trisquel/packages/pool/main/t/tor/ (repository of an Ubuntu derivative, maintained for the LTS period) and bug 1982224 for my SRU (without patches).
[21:08] <rbasak> OTOH if there's some specific reason that it needs updating, like some specific vulnerability or threat that can be articulated directly, then SRU policy already allows a major version bump.
[21:09] <rbasak> I suppose what I really object to here is tenuous claims of "not recommended" or "not supported" instead of specific technical reasons such as "CVE-2022-XYZ" or "the protocol change X was made for reasons Y which means clients older than Z will no longer work with the network".
[21:10] <rbasak> Maybe Tor should have a further exception because of its nature. That's be up to the TB and SRU teams to figure out I guess.
[21:10] <rbasak> That would raise questions about the best place for the package (main archive vs. backports vs. snaps) and who would maintain it and how, etc.
[21:11] <sarnold> eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/+bug/1260602 was when bitcoin was removed, because it could no longer participate in the network
[21:12] <rbasak> To be clear, if there's an urgent need because of a security issue or it completely breaking against a protocol change, then we already make an exception.
[21:12] <rbasak> But I would expect the security team to require a cherry-pick if that's feasible.
[21:12] <sarnold> that's definitely preferred, yes
[21:13] <luis220413> rbasak, sarnold: There are 11 CVEs in this source package marked as unfixed in the Ubuntu CVE Tracker.
[21:13] <Unit193> The newer version is supposed to mitigate a DoS attack, so...sort of yeah.
[21:13] <rbasak> And I'm not sure if "contributor prefers major version bump over a feasible cherry-pick" is a reasonable justirication, even if we do value the contribution.
[21:13] <sarnold> luis220413: yeah, as Unit193 said, no one's been tending to this one..
[21:14] <Unit193> luis220413: https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/team/-/wikis/NetworkTeam/SupportPolicy might be useful reading too.
[21:15] <Unit193> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/team/-/wikis/NetworkTeam/CoreTorReleases has the support status.
[21:17] <luis220413> I will return in 15 minutes.
[21:18] <Unit193> FWIW, Tor is very good about supporting older distro releases, it's one of the only packages in buster-backports-sloppy and whatnot.  Anywho, hopefully I didn't derail the discussion with links.
[21:19] <rbasak> Links are useful!
[21:19] <rbasak> Especially if this leads to a request for a wider exception.
[21:20] <rbasak> And to be clear, I welcome such a discussion. The above is both my view and I think mostly the view of the project, but contributors are welcome to seek to change it
[21:20] <Unit193> I sure wouldn't mind helping out there, I'm fond of Tor (I run 4 relays.)
[21:21] <Unit193> rbasak: -backports is a lot easier, but I have no idea if users know how to use it, and I don't think there's any data on that at all. :/
[21:21] <rbasak> One issue with backports is that it's opt-in, and requires the package to be in the development release, which means it'd make it into stable releases.
[21:22] <rbasak> So users would end up using the not-backports package by default, which I think is undesirable here?
[21:22] <rbasak> If tor were only in backports and not in Ubuntu releases, then that would work, but currently I think that's against backports policy for a bunch of quality reasons that we probably don't want to break.
[21:26] <Unit193> Not in the case of Tor, no.  Some usage data could be nice, but that type of tracking is generally not preferred. :P
[21:31] <luis220413> I have returned.
[21:39] <luis220413> rbasak: There is a specific technical reason. From the first mailing list post: "Alright, I just pushed a commit to get relays rejected by fingerprint which are still running an unsupported Tor version" and "We'll run further rejection rounds in the coming weeks to deal with new relays/bridges popping up with unsupported Tor versions."
[21:40] <luis220413> rbasak: I believe Tor should have a further exception, if it does not meet the bulleted requirements in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases
[21:46] <luis220413> sarnold: If a volunteer is available to maintain bitcoin, it can return to the Ubuntu repositories. See my 2 comments in bug 1862002 (for another Bitcoin-related package)
[21:49] <luis220413> rbasak: As mentioned in the first mailing list post, the Tor network excludes relays based on the reported version of Tor. Reporting a higher version when cherry-picking fixes would create false expectations in the Tor network, and therefore a regression.
[21:50] <luis220413> rbasak, sarnold: Can I proceed with the update to <IP_ADDRESS> for all stable releases? It fixes 11 CVEs and this fatal bug for relays in Bionic and Focal.
[21:52] <luis220413> sarnold: Can you (or another member of the security team) triage CVEs in Tor?
[21:53] <luis220413> Such that I can go to the Tracker (the CVE pages on ubuntu.com have been with problems in the last weeks) and see which CVEs are fixed by the new upstream release for each Ubuntu release.
[22:06] <luis220413> Unit193: "The newer version is supposed to mitigate a DoS attack, so...sort of yeah." What DoS attack?
[22:09] <Unit193> TROVE-2022-001 - CVE-2022-33903
[22:10] <luis220413> Unit193: This CVE is fixed by my SRU
[22:10] <Unit193> Yes.
[22:10] <luis220413> rbasak, sarnold: Can I proceed with the update to <IP_ADDRESS> for all stable releases? It fixes 11 CVEs and this fatal bug for relays in Bionic and Focal.
[22:11] <luis220413> I will leave now but I will see your replies in this channel's logs.
[22:12] <Unit193> No version of Ubuntu ships the affected Tor for that specific CVE, note it's for 0.4.7.x and Jammy has <IP_ADDRESS>.
[22:33] <sarnold> luis220413: for a version jump like that, rather than targetted updates, we'd probably rather prefer the package go through the SRU process and be copied to -security after it's gotten more scrutiny


[12:51] <zerous> Hi
[21:35] <jbicha> darkxst: wow, unless someone pays $80/year/user, only the most recent 10,000 messages are viewable in slack https://slack.com/pricing
[21:38] <jbicha> I just had never looked at the pricing before
[21:38] <jbicha> it makes sense though since it's a product targetted at businesses
[23:05] <jbicha> https://slarck.com/blog/2016/slack-too-expensive/
[23:06] <jbicha> https://slarck.com/open-source/
[23:07] <jbicha> Ubuntu Budgie uses gitter.im


[22:08] <joerlend> I'm trying to use help.ubuntu.com but there are many errors.
[22:09] <joerlend> if you follow the guide for OpenLDAP Server, you do not get the expected results.
[22:09] <joerlend> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[22:09] <joerlend> under LDAP Authentication, you're asked to enter this line: sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap
[22:10] <joerlend> when you do, you get an error saying: Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found -- Errors found.  Aborting (no changes made)


[18:36] <valku> Is anyone here who is willing to meet with me (in the GTA) and sign my OpenPGP key with certificate level 3?


[20:16] <philipballew> kdub, Wanna come to the 14.04 release hangout/party next week?
[20:17] <philipballew> Its what all the cool people are doing these days
[20:17] <kdub> maybe, depends the day/time
[20:18] <philipballew> thursday probably, and in the evening.
[20:18] <philipballew> thinking 7pm.
[20:18] <philipballew> so people can come from work.
[20:24] <kdub> I probably can't come thursday/friday, easter week stuff at church
[20:25] <Darkwing> Hey guys, long time no chat!
[20:26] <philipballew> kdub, ah, yeah. He is risen!
[20:27] <philipballew> Darkwing, that it has been
[20:28] <Darkwing> LOL
[20:28] <Darkwing> How is everything on the left coast?
[20:29] <philipballew> warm Darkwing .
[20:29] <philipballew> how is the mid coast?
[20:29] <Darkwing> Cold.
[20:29] <Darkwing> LOL
[20:29] <Darkwing> It's getting warmer... finally in the 40s and 50s. so I'm wearing shorts again.
[20:30] <philipballew> I put on a jacket in the 40's
[20:31] <akk> CA temps aren't the same as other temps.
[20:31] <akk> There's snow on the ground in Montreal and we've been getting snow/hail/sleet/something in NM but neither one seems as cold as a 48-degree day in San Jose.
[20:34] <Darkwing> We set record cold and snow fall this winter.
[20:34] <Darkwing> -35 sounds cold... it's colder than it sounds.
[20:34] <kdub> philipballew, heh, amen, mon-wed would work best.. i'm up in del mar these days
[20:34] <akk> Anything with a minus sign at the beginning sounds cold,
[20:35] <kdub> also have to check with the wife
[20:35] <Darkwing> lol yeah
[20:35] <Darkwing> It wasn't so bad though.
[20:37]  * ianorlin forgot to ask where it was
[21:00]  * kdub hopes up by del mar
[23:48] <rww> so i guess it's summer today?
[23:59] <raevol> SUMMAR


[02:01] <CrazyLikeAFox> Is there an easy way to get a keybaord binding to increase or decrease volume?
[02:02] <CrazyLikeAFox> I'm used to changing it from the keyboard on my laptop, and my speakers don't readily permit me turning a knob to change the volume
[07:52] <lightswitch> hey folks
[07:54] <lightswitch> i am currently downloading the xubuntu iso
[07:54] <lightswitch> am I, uh, good to go if I want to dualboot this alongside win7
[07:58] <Unit193> If done correctly one can most certainly dual-boot.  Note that Windows 7 is no longer supported by Microsoft.
[08:15] <lightswitch> yeah, right. I should probably initialise a recovery point rn
[09:13] <Deano59> if I go to /usr/share/plymouth/themes/ and manually delete xubuntu-logo, will my machine automatically run xubuntu-text instead?
[12:26] <xubuntu69i> heyho
[14:02] <tunafish> Can I ask something?
[16:36] <celso>  /clear
[16:46] <frad> how do I get rid of the splash screen on 20.04? I tried with plymouth and editing the .config file, but it didn't work.
[16:49] <frad> apparently I forgot to sudo update-grub2
[17:10] <xu-irc61w> brand new to linux, i need help
[17:11] <xu-irc61w> spent the past four days entering code from the net into terminal, and i have no idea what i may have possibly done
[17:14] <xu-irc61w> can someone please tell me how to check my system is still clean
[18:04] <Riscy> How there
[18:04] <Riscy> Hi as well
[18:08] <Riscy> Currently installing xubuntu
[20:07] <xu-irc92w> Hi, I am trying to scale my xfce ui via "xfconf-query -c xsettings -p /Gdk/WindowScalingFactor -s 2" but it only seems to accept whole numbers. 1, the default is too small and 2 is too big :(  Is there a way to make the UI scale with fractals like 1.5?
[20:32] <bluesabre> xu-irc92w: unfortunately no... fractional scaling is a feature of the compositor, and the Xfce window manager does not currently support it.  Instead, we recommend increasing the DPI (Appearance > Fonts) and using the Default-hidpi window manager theme.
[20:34] <xu-irc92w> This sadly causes quite a bit of distortion at a certain point where text, for example, doesn't fit into text-boxes anymore.
[21:47] <Noboru55> hello
[21:49] <Celso> hello Noboru55 San
[21:51] <Noboru55> i got a weird problem here, i have an usb 3.0 on my laptop and for some reason when i use this port my O.S get some problem and freezy so i need to restart and so.... i get a corrupted filesystem
[21:51] <Noboru55> it happened on my xubuntu, ok... i was using windows, and i forgot that problem on usb, and i used... so the windows showed the blue death screen and.... cant boot..
[21:51] <Noboru55> oO
[21:52] <Noboru55> how is it possible? a dammed usb 3.0 when used freezy the system and destroy it
[21:52] <Noboru55> i just installed slackware 14.2 but... for some reason xubuntu is better to manage cpu uses
[21:53] <Noboru55> i thought.. slack for old laptops.. but i was wrong... even it uses only 260 mb at startup.... when using the cpu get easily 100%
[21:57] <Noboru55> upgrading the system and wondering back or not to xubuntu
[22:04] <v1adimir> Noboru55: blah, it's the best..
[22:04] <Noboru55> i can say the same
[22:04] <Noboru55> tired
[22:05] <Noboru55> going o install focal fossa.. f.... other distro
[22:05] <Noboru55> xubuntu is better and faster
[22:43] <lwmar> Hi, I get this message sometimes when rebooting: "tainted: G 0E 5.4.0-31-generic #35-Ubuntu". Anyone can help?
[23:22] <genii> Means you have some proprietary driver installed. Likely for your video card.


[17:10] <czajkowski> folks I shal be in ireland in august :) august 14th I'm free if anyone fancies meeting up in Dublin
[17:10] <czajkowski> august 15th there will be a mongodb MUG in dublin office
[22:17] <tdr112> good stuff czajkowski we will have a meet up so
[22:17] <tdr112> any old place you want to go
[22:22] <czajkowski> I don't mind people can come along to the mug there will be some stuff out on and there will be a talk and we can hangout afterwards or we can meet up on the 14th
[22:24] <tdr112> where is it on . tcube ?
[22:41] <airurando> Sorry I won't be able to meet up :-(


[13:01]  * barry waves
[13:01] <lool> hey
[13:01] <lool> stgraber, ondra, ogra_: heyo
[13:01] <ogra_> moo
[13:02] <lool> barry: should we start with download service?
[13:02] <barry> lool: sure
[13:02] <barry> so, i uploaded a new version last night with dbus support
[13:03] <barry> stgraber: pointed to a problem with config file updates: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1204090
[13:03] <barry> so i'll be getting an 0.8 out this morning
[13:03] <barry> had a chat with seb yesterday.  his team was going to start work on the update ui.  i'll circle round to him today, though i am on patch pilot for at least half the day
[13:04] <lool> barry: so even after deleting client.ini today, I'll have to repeat every day until this is solved?
[13:04] <barry> we sketched out a very basic interaction pattern, so i think the minimal ui will be doable
[13:04] <ondra> lool: hey
[13:04] <barry> lool: yeah, but hopefully "every day" will be just "today"
[13:05] <barry> 0.8 will have only this fix and then you won't have to edit client.ini to set the device model any more
[13:05] <barry> anyway, i think that's about it for the client
[13:05] <lool> barry: so when do you think you would have a simple UI for an update?  (even if partial)
[13:05] <barry> d/l service. i have to circle back to mandel to see where/when/if that is landing
[13:06] <lool> barry: download service should be all landed now
[13:06] <barry> lool: ah, good.
[13:06] <barry> lool: i'm still aiming for tomorrow
[13:06] <barry> (on the ui
[13:06] <barry> )
[13:06] <lool> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-download-manager
[13:07] <lool> libubuntudownloadmanager1 and ubuntu-download-manager are in the images
[13:07] <lool> barry: ok
[13:07] <barry> excellent.  i'm still not going to integrate that until after the demo most likely
[13:07] <barry> done
[13:07] <lool> barry: yeah; we had noted the download service as an action on you last week, just wanted to close this topic
[13:07] <lool> since it's all landed now
[13:07] <barry> +1
[13:07] <lool> oh wow, we even have unity-scope-click in the image too !
[13:08] <sergiusens> lool: beuno was going to demo that afaik
[13:08] <lool> sergiusens: yeah
[13:08] <lool> so I think stgraber isn't around
[13:09] <lool> he was to land gpg in recovery
[13:09] <lool> but basically everything is landed, updater is announced for adventurous folks
[13:09] <ogra_> isnt that n since days
[13:09] <ogra_> ?
[13:09] <lool> and we had various issues at the time of launch and since the launch
[13:09] <lool> but getting resolved
[13:09] <ogra_> though we havent released images since 5 days due to the new policies
[13:10] <sergiusens> ogra_: stgraber pulls from pending to rebuild the images
[13:10] <lool> ogra_: yeah but update imgaes are generated from latest image rather than current, so it still works
[13:10] <barry> ogra_: new policies?
[13:10] <ogra_> (and i expect releases to not happen for a while until all bits ship full tests that utah can run)
[13:10] <ogra_> barry, 100% test coverage on the dashboard now
[13:10] <barry> ah
[13:10] <ogra_> lool, well, we will need a full test of the bits that got added to recovery ...
[13:10] <lool> barry: now that I read it more carefully, I don't understand how LP 1204090 is critical; is that in the case where the model detection would change over time?!?
[13:11] <ogra_> theoretically we couldnt release atm
[13:11] <ogra_> after asac's definition
[13:11] <lool> ogra_: not sure what you mean
[13:11] <lool> ogra_: you mean add new testsuites to cover the new bits?
[13:11] <ogra_> lool, we add ubuntu code to recvery that has zero tests
[13:11] <ogra_> by the new definition that isnt releasable
[13:12] <ogra_> so testing gpg and the ubuntu updater scripts would be needed
[13:12] <ogra_> and proper integration into utah
[13:12] <barry> lool: no.  if future changes are made to client.ini, they most likely won't get installed (at least easily) since conffile will see a local edit.  i think the point is to remove the need for almost everyone to edit their client.ini file.
[13:12] <lool> barry: oh ok
[13:12] <lool> barry: sorry, I get it now
[13:12] <lool> barry: I thought it was entirely generated
[13:12] <lool> but it's a conffile *and* gets updated after install, and wont get updated on upgrades anymore
[13:12] <lool> ok
[13:13] <barry> nope.  maybe i'll port gentoo's conffile update system to debian :)
[13:13] <lool> barry: there's ucf too
[13:13] <barry> yeah
[13:13] <lool> but this only concerns people who have renabled apt, right?>
[13:13] <barry> it's better to query the system for the device name anyway
[13:13] <lool> otherwise you get the new conffile overwritten by a system image update?
[13:14] <barry> i think that's right
[13:14] <lool> ogra_: so we do have tests in certain places, but not for everything
[13:14] <ogra_> lool, right
[13:14] <lool> ogra_: we also lack end-to-end integration tests
[13:14] <ogra_> and new features need to ship tests alongside
[13:14] <ogra_> yeah
[13:15] <ogra_> currently all we have are the app tests and default installability
[13:15] <ogra_> bit for the recovery changes we need tests too
[13:15] <lool> I'm not sure how practical it would be to have them run daily; I don't really see how that would reasonnably be done, but we could e.g. run update tests from the latest release or something like that
[13:15] <ogra_> and there should be a test that prevents stuff like above as well
[13:15] <ogra_> (broken configs etc)
[13:15] <sergiusens> lool: the end to end stuff we can discuss in our meeting with QA later today
[13:15] <lool> sergiusens: yeah
[13:16] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/
[13:16] <ogra_> thats what we depend on now
[13:16] <ogra_> and the next daily will only go out if all is green
[13:16] <lool> ogra_: right; but we need a base image to smoke test an update
[13:16] <ogra_> (which i suspect might take until the weekend)
[13:17] <ogra_> lool, right
[13:17] <lool> I think we covered all actions from last week
[13:17] <asac> i feel that daily-release should always use last /current + the proposed changes
[13:17] <asac> in that way we foster a culture of delivering something that will work in one shot
[13:17] <ogra_> asac, that makes only sense if /current is actually daily
[13:17] <asac> rather than saying you can have multiple shots to get things right (e.g. we have an option to easily see results against /rpoposed)
[13:17] <asac> ogra_: sure. it only makes sense if we go strict
[13:18] <lool> so I guess the only remaining open topics are: a) barry adding UI (high) a') barry fixing LP 1204090 b) barry switching to download service (low) c) sergiusens / ogra_ / lool discussing integration tests
[13:18] <barry> lool: seems reasonable
[13:18] <asac> on /etc ... I think it makes sense to put a zero /etc in any touch image policy
[13:18] <ogra_> lool, sounds fine
[13:18] <asac> because its a half broken concept in the new world of system image updates
[13:18] <ogra_> zero /etc ?
[13:18] <ogra_> can you elaborate ?
[13:18] <asac> at best defaults are never shipped in /etc/ anyway, and we can provide other locations to change defaults through .DOT files
[13:19] <lool> asac: it's more of a template
[13:19] <asac> lool: those should go to /usr/share/docs :)
[13:19] <barry> asac: how does that work with convergence?
[13:19] <asac> right now in the linux world /etc is not cleanly designed
[13:19] <ogra_> barry, we'll find out in the 14.04 cycle :)
[13:19] <asac> its used as one place for a) defaults (that should usually go into the app) and b) admininstrative/system wide changes
[13:20] <barry> ogra_: :)
[13:20] <asac> i think we hsould go clean about those two approaches in touch :)
[13:20] <asac> thats all i am saying (now i am out again)
[13:20] <lool> asac: I don't see a big gain in pushing defaults out of /etc
[13:20] <lool> this is make-work
[13:21] <lool> (like merging /usr/bin and /bin or renaming /etc to /config or something)
[13:21] <lool> anyway
[13:21] <asac> its not consisten behaviour
[13:21]  * ogra_ thought /etc is readonly anyway
[13:21] <barry> well, at least let's say an irc comment leaves it a bit underspecified :)
[13:21] <asac> if apt is there
[13:21] <lool> seems we're getting a bit out of the topic
[13:21] <ogra_> variable data needs to go into /data
[13:21] <asac> ogra_: not if apt is back i am sure
[13:21] <ogra_> asac, ah, no, then not indeed
[13:21] <lool> ogra_: exactly; except in convergence, or if you swithc to developer mode
[13:22] <ogra_> lool, i dont see why convergence would have to differ :)
[13:22] <ogra_> but thats 14,04 stuff
[13:22] <ogra_> not for now
[13:22] <lool> ogra_: because of the installer user bsae
[13:22] <lool> as in, today my /etc is r/w on my laptop
[13:22] <sergiusens> ogra_: if /etc is read only, where does network mananger setup it's configs?
[13:23] <lool> sergiusens: /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /var/lib/NetworkManager type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[13:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, in a tmpfs overlay ? no idea
[13:23] <lool> sergiusens: bind mounts to writable space
[13:23]  * ogra_ needs to look into the setup this week
[13:23]  * sergiusens needs to check
[13:23] <ogra_> i had planned to do an install this week
[13:23] <lool> sergiusens: sorry, I meant: /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[13:23] <ogra_> yeah
[13:23] <ogra_> thats /data
[13:23] <sergiusens> lool: and I thought you changed the location :-)
[13:24] <lool> the other is for more ephemeral stuff
[13:24] <lool> like dhcp leases and stuff
[13:24] <ogra_> they go into /run anyway, no ?
[13:24] <lool> sergiusens: so basically anything which used to write to /var or /etc needs to be diverted to /data
[13:24] <ogra_> yeah
[13:24] <asac> yeah :)
[13:25] <lool> ogra_: not that ephemeral
[13:25] <asac> and everything that is in /etc should rewally go to doc (template) or /usr/share/ (default settings)
[13:25] <lool> ogra_: you could remove it, but it's best to keep across reboots
[13:25] <asac> :()
[13:25] <lool> e.g. which ssids you've seen and such
[13:25] <ogra_> yeah
[13:25] <ogra_> asac, whats the benefit ?
[13:25]  * ogra_ doesnt see it
[13:25] <lool> asac: I don't think we need to spend engineering cycles moving stuff around in gazillions of packages
[13:26] <ogra_> if /etc is readonly anyway, why would you want to have apps read from a non std place
[13:26] <ogra_> yeah, lool expressed that better
[13:26] <ogra_> seems like a waste
[13:26] <lool> it's kind of funny to have this argument in this direction with asac
[13:26] <asac> well, i will cover this topic elsewhere... short term its not on topic
[13:26] <ogra_> heh
[13:27] <lool> asac: you're supposed to be more pragmatic than me!  and I ought to advocate beauty of the file hierarchy  :-)
[13:27] <asac> i am pragmatic
[13:27] <lool> alright, almost out of time
[13:27]  * ogra_ sees no beauty in moving configs from /etc to /doc :)
[13:27] <lool> barry, ondra, ogra_, sergiusens: Anything else we want to cover?
[13:27]  * barry is good
[13:27] <lool> also, do we want to keep this meeting?
[13:27] <ogra_> lool, do we know who will write tests ?
[13:27] <lool> perhaps until it's used by everyone?
[13:27] <ogra_> (thats why i brought it up_
[13:28] <ogra_> i know stgraber will not be around (vacations, etc)
[13:28] <barry> lool: i think we're far enough along that it most likely won't be necessary for much longer
[13:28] <ogra_> and we need to switch at some point
[13:28] <ondra> lool: not much from me, I haven't done much, only recent activity was to help stgraber to resolve gpg problem, but that was 1 tas
[13:28] <ogra_> but we cant without having tests in place
[13:28] <lool> ogra_: I would think stgraber would write upgrade tests when he's back?
[13:29] <ogra_> dunno, i think i remember something about three weeks
[13:29] <lool> barry: I'm thinking we should cancel next week then have one more meeting to plan enabling for everyone
[13:29] <ogra_> with parts of that being on/off and parts of that being gone completely
[13:29] <lool> barry: or would you be interested in writing the upgrades tests in the next weeks?  since stgraber is on leave, you might be a good candidate since you know the upgrade logic inside out  :-)
[13:29] <lool> barry: would you want to join the call we have with QA folks later?
[13:30] <lool> ogra_: yeah; release sprint, debconf and other leaves
[13:30] <barry> lool: when's the call?
[13:30] <ogra_> lool, right
[13:30] <lool> barry: 4pm UTC
[13:30] <lool> barry: adding you
[13:30] <lool> barry: feel free either way
[13:31] <lool> alright, closing this meeting them; have a good day everyone!
[13:31] <barry> lool: sure, np
[13:31] <lool> *then
[13:31] <barry> cheers!
[13:31] <lool> bye all
[13:31] <ondra> bye
[13:31] <sergiusens> see you on the channel to the left (or right) (irssi)
[13:31] <ogra_> bye
[13:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, pfft ... below
[13:31] <ogra_> (xchat)
[13:32] <sergiusens> lol
[15:32] <Laney> o/
[15:34] <Laney> oops
[16:00] <l304> o
[16:00] <hallyn> o/
[16:00] <arosales> hello
[16:00] <jamespage> o/
[16:01] <smb> \o
[16:01] <adam_g> o/
[16:01] <jamespage> lets strt
[16:02] <jamespage> #startmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul 23 16:02:00 2013 UTC.  The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <jamespage> #topic review previous actions
[16:02] <jamespage> rbasak to land delta report to lp:ubuntu-reports, Daviey to deploy
[16:02] <jamespage> rbasak, Daviey- hows that going?
[16:03] <jamespage> zul:
[16:03] <jamespage> zul has willfully volunteered to review and document what is blocking server related saucy-proposed migration excuses, with joy.
[16:03] <jamespage> I think thats all sorted now right
[16:03] <jamespage> ?
[16:03] <zul> bah
[16:03] <zul> almost apache2 again i think
[16:03] <zul> rbasak:  ^^^
[16:04] <jamespage> anyone actually here?
[16:04] <jamespage> lol
[16:04] <jamespage> anyway
[16:04] <jamespage> #action rbasak to land delta report to lp:ubuntu-reports, Daviey to deploy
[16:04] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to land delta report to lp:ubuntu-reports, Daviey to deploy
[16:04] <hallyn> my bot is...
[16:04] <jamespage> carried forward in their absence
[16:04] <jamespage> #topic Saucy Development
[16:05] <jamespage> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[16:05] <jamespage> Debian Import Freeze is on the 25th July - manual syncs after that point will be required
[16:05] <jamespage> alpha2 same week - we will be opting out again
[16:06] <jamespage> also worth noting that 12.04.3 is just under a month away
[16:06] <jamespage> the QA team now have some dkms auto-testing setup
[16:06] <jamespage> openvswitch and iscsitarget are going to need some attention in the next two weeks.
[16:06] <hallyn> ?
[16:06] <jamespage> (as are lots more I guess)
[16:07] <jamespage> hallyn, hardware enablement kernels
[16:07] <rbasak> Oops, sorry. ubuntu-reports is almost ready for an MP. apache2 is done. I'm preparing a merge with an upgrade path bug and SSL passphrase prompting fixed.
[16:07] <jamespage> 12.04.3 will get rarings 3.8 kernel
[16:07] <jamespage> rbasak, marvellous!
[16:07] <hallyn> jamespage: gotcha
[16:07] <jamespage> next
[16:07] <jamespage> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:07] <jamespage> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-s-tracking-bug-tasks.html#server
[16:08] <jamespage> I still need to look at asm4 transitions
[16:08] <jamespage> and quantum service respawns
[16:09]  * jamespage berates himself again
[16:09] <yolanda> lua5.2 is pending from review
[16:09] <jamespage> ack
[16:09] <hallyn> there's a yucky memleak in libvirt i need to look into
[16:09] <yolanda> rrdtool and rubyluabridge
[16:09] <rbasak> bug 1202653 should be targetted for Saucy. It's in hand though - I just want to fix SSL certificate prompting at the same time, write a dep8 test for that, and in any case proposed migration will be blocked as it's seeded in alpha-2 opt-in flavours.
[16:09] <jamespage> zul: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1199791
[16:09] <jamespage> rbasak, done
[16:09] <zul> in progrress
[16:09] <rbasak> thanks
[16:09] <jamespage> zul, great - thanks
[16:10] <jamespage> looks like adam_g's cheetah fixup is almost done
[16:11] <adam_g> yup, should make its way out today
[16:12] <jamespage> rbasak, whats the latest on bug 1031680?
[16:13] <jamespage> and that covers release bugs....
[16:13] <jamespage> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:13] <rbasak> No progress.
[16:13] <jamespage> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-servercloud-overview.html
[16:13] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-mongodb
[16:13] <jamespage> use of libv8 in the mongodb shell is causing some security concerns re supportability
[16:13] <jamespage> which is understandable
[16:14] <jamespage> looking at a shell disabled variant of the package - but I suspect thats worse than useless
[16:14] <jamespage> so we might be inthe position where mongodb is not suitable for main inclusion
[16:14] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-juju-2-delivery
[16:14] <jamespage> juju2 release going much smoother now
[16:14] <jamespage> two in the last week
[16:15] <jamespage> (one for OSCON)
[16:15] <jamespage> local provider has also landed if no-one noticed - works well (thanks thumper)
[16:15] <jamespage> roaksoax, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-charms-ha-v2
[16:15] <jamespage> whats happening with HA stack for saucy? I know we have had a few conversations?
[16:16] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-ceph reappears
[16:16] <jamespage> utlemming, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-webscale
[16:16] <jamespage> utlemming, are you likely to have capacity to work on this blueprint this release? its already a carry over from raring
[16:17] <jamespage> zul: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-qa
[16:17] <jamespage> needs some updates
[16:18] <zul> jamespage:  ack
[16:18] <jamespage> quite a few activities need to be worked on still this cycle there - might be work allocating out and postponing anything we know we won't get to this cycle
[16:18] <jamespage> adam_g, ^^
[16:19] <hallyn> s/work/worth/ ?
[16:19] <adam_g> agree
[16:19] <jamespage> hallyn, yes
[16:19] <roaksoax> jamespage: sorry i'm supper lagged
[16:19] <hallyn> k
[16:19] <jamespage> roaksoax, ack
[16:19] <jamespage> roaksoax, wanna update now?
[16:19]  * jamespage gives roaksoax a few to respond
[16:20] <jamespage> zul: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-havana
[16:20] <jamespage> lots of things actually done there I think
[16:20] <jamespage> good point to catchup now that havana2 is landing everywhere
[16:20] <zul> ill upate it today
[16:21] <jamespage> arosales, quite a few juju related ones with minimal progress - do you want to go through those now?
[16:21] <jamespage> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-openstack-charms
[16:21] <jamespage> adam_g, roaksoax and I have been working on the python redux of the openstack charms
[16:22] <jamespage> looking quite good now - hopefully we should have a full set of initial versions this week
[16:22] <adam_g> im hoping to have all of the bash -> python rewrites ready for testing this week
[16:22] <jamespage> \o/
[16:23] <jamespage> OK - anyone got any other BP related stuff they wanted to raise/query?
[16:23] <jamespage> ....
[16:23] <jamespage> ...
[16:23] <jamespage> ..
[16:23] <yolanda> mine of server banners is stuck, working on other issues
[16:23] <jamespage> .
[16:24] <jamespage> yolanda, is that just pending sponsorship or are you getting blocked?
[16:24] <arosales> jamespage, sorry I was in another window
[16:24] <yolanda> jamespage, i stopped working on that for a while, working on syncs and merges, and now in charms
[16:24] <jamespage> yolanda, OK
[16:25] <jamespage> arosales, juju blueprints?
[16:25] <yolanda> i got some of them uploaded, bind9 is pending on review
[16:25] <arosales> jamespage, a couple of the owners are at OSCON so I can take an action to review juju related ones this week
[16:25] <arosales> #action arosales to review Juju blueprints
[16:25] <meetingology> ACTION: arosales to review Juju blueprints
[16:25] <jamespage> #action arosales to review juju related blueprints with owners after OSCON
[16:25] <meetingology> ACTION: arosales to review juju related blueprints with owners after OSCON
[16:25] <jamespage> ooops
[16:25] <jamespage> oh well - we will remember twice now!
[16:25] <jamespage> lets move on
[16:25] <jamespage> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:26] <jamespage> something called OSCON I think
[16:26] <jamespage> anyone going?
[16:26] <hallyn> i'm guessing if they are, they are there already
[16:26] <jamespage> lol
[16:26] <jamespage> yes
[16:26] <jamespage> any other events folk want to raise now?
[16:26] <arosales> m_3 and jcastro @ OSCON
[16:26] <arosales> giveing a Charm School talk as we chat here
[16:27] <jamespage> excellent - hope its packed....
[16:27] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (plars)
[16:27] <jamespage> plars, floor is yours
[16:27] <plars> hi, a couple of bugs are affecting server testing at the moment
[16:27] <plars> both on the virtual host part
[16:27] <plars> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1203694 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1203211
[16:28] <smb> should be fixed by -5 in proposed
[16:28] <plars> bot seem to be well on their way though :)
[16:28] <plars> ack
[16:28] <rbasak> AIUI the release team are working on landing -5.
[16:28] <jamespage> excellent
[16:28] <plars> sounds good
[16:28] <plars> that's it from me
[16:28] <jamespage> thanks plars
[16:28] <jamespage> anyone got anything else qa related while we are here? matsubara maybe?
[16:29] <jamespage> ....
[16:29] <jamespage> ...
[16:29] <jamespage> ..
[16:29] <jamespage> .
[16:29] <matsubara> not really
[16:29] <jamespage> ack
[16:29] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:29] <smb> There seem also to be some problem with qemu and vmvga crashing the host which apw is working on.
[16:30] <smb> The bug number slipped my brain though
[16:30] <smb> ah
[16:30] <smb> bug 1204005
[16:31] <smb> Apart from that I cannot think of anything hot right now (exccept the weather)
[16:31] <smb> Are there questions?
[16:31] <jamespage> smb, thanks
[16:31] <jamespage> sound like a no for questions...
[16:31] <jamespage> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:32] <rbasak> Nothing new to report. Any questions for me?
[16:32] <jamespage> not from me
[16:32] <jamespage> anyone else?
[16:33] <jamespage> OK
[16:33] <jamespage> #topic Open Discussion
[16:33] <jamespage> anything anyone wants to raise?
[16:33] <arosales> UDS fastly approaching
[16:33] <jamespage> discuss or otherwise argue about?
[16:33] <arosales> http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[16:33] <zul> yeah i raised this
[16:33] <roaksoax> jamespage: basically, I'm currently updating the cluster stack, which means the removal of 'redhat-cluster' from the archives. All cluster will be based on pacemaker+corosync2.0, gfs2 + dlm (a new package that needs to be uploaded)
[16:33] <roaksoax> for distributed storage
[16:33] <roaksoax> /filesystem
[16:33] <jamespage> roaksoax, man - that is some lag - thanks for the update
[16:34] <zul> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quantum/+bug/1203766
[16:34] <roaksoax> and all packages that used to depend on redhat-cluster related dependencies need to be update
[16:34] <arosales> ah sorry for the dup zul
[16:34] <jamespage> good point about UDS _ only a month away
[16:34] <jamespage> good point to recheck on progress for saucy so far
[16:34] <zul> that should be interesting
[16:35] <jamespage> just to be clear - quantum is now called neutron if anyone missed that
[16:35] <jamespage> its not another new core project in openstack
[16:35] <jamespage> :-)
[16:35] <jamespage> anyway
[16:35] <jamespage> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:36] <jamespage> Tuesday 30th July - 1600 GMT
[16:36] <jamespage> see you then
[16:36] <jamespage> #endmeeting
[16:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 23 16:36:25 2013 UTC.
[16:36] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-23-16.02.moin.txt
[16:36] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-23-16.02.html
[16:36] <jamespage> thanks folks!
[16:51] <arosales> jamespage, thanks for chairing
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Saucy
[17:00] <ppisati> o/
[17:00] <henrix> o/
[17:00] <smb> \o
[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:01] <rtg> o/
[17:01] <cking> \o
[17:01] <ogasawara> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati> nothing new to report
[17:01] <ppisati> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> || apw       || foundations-1305-arm64-bringup || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || ppisati   || foundations-1305-kernel        || 1 work item  ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || smb       || servercloud-s-virtstack        || 3 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Saucy Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We have recently uploaded a new 3.10.0-5.14 Saucy kernel to the archive.
[17:02] <ogasawara> This includes the v3.10.2 upstream stable patch set, as well as a fix
[17:02] <ogasawara> for a regression which was causing graphics failures on boot.  We have
[17:02] <ogasawara> also rebased our unstable branch to begin tracking v3.11-rc2.
[17:02] <ogasawara> I also want to again point out that the 12.04.3 point release is
[17:02] <ogasawara> approaching on Thurs Aug 22.  Any kernel patches needing to land in the
[17:02] <ogasawara> 12.04.3 point release need to be applied to our Raring kernel tree on
[17:02] <ogasawara> or before Mon July 29 in order to hit the SRU cadence before the point
[17:02] <ogasawara> release.  Please get any patches submitted to the mailing list for
[17:02] <ogasawara> proper review as soon as possible.
[17:02] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs July 25 - Alpha 2 (opt in, 2 days)
[17:02] <ogasawara> Thurs Aug 22 - 12.04.3 (~4 weeks)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (bjf)
[17:02] <bjf> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:02] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:02] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Raring/Quantal/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/sconklin)
[17:03] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today (July 23):
[17:03] <bjf>   *   Lucid - Regression testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Precise - Regression testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Quantal - Regression testing
[17:03] <bjf>   * Raring  - Regression testing
[17:03] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:03] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:03] <bjf>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:03] <bjf> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <kamal> o/
[17:03] <jsalisbury> kamal, go
[17:03] <kamal> folks playing with 3.11-rc2 should be aware that acpi backlight is borked for many systems...  a revert of the offending commits is planned in advance of 3.11-rc3.
[17:03] <kamal> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> kamal, thanks for the heads up.
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> The next two meetings will be canceled due to the kernel team sprint.  The next meeting will be August 13th, 2013.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul 23 17:05:32 2013 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-23-17.00.moin.txt
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-23-17.00.html
[17:05] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury


[18:48] <jyo> pleia2, grantbow: Are we still looking for Nexus 4s? One of the guys at work is selling his two...
[18:49] <troyready> Appropriate timing :)
[19:29] <blacula> cause he's getting 5s?
[20:27] <pleia2> jyo: how much?
[22:08] <jyo> pleia2: ~200 a pop
[22:09] <pleia2> they were $199 new last month :) I think I'll pass
[22:10] <jyo> Exactly. :)
[22:26] <blacula> dudes cray cray
[22:54] <nhaines> haha, I was vaguely interested too until the price.  Oh well.  :)
[22:55] <nhaines> At least I'm getting Android 4.4 on my Galaxy Nexus!
[23:00] <troyready> nhaines, though CyanogenMod or similar?
[23:03] <nhaines> troyready: pretty much.
[23:04] <troyready> Nice :) I'll be doing the same on mine
[23:04] <nhaines> Although the only thing that keeps me from just using Ubuntu is Navigation, Ingress, and maybe a decent Web browser.
[23:05] <troyready> It is cool to see it being so close to usable as daily driver. I'm looking forward to it a lot
[23:06] <nhaines> On the other hand, if I can get a $150 Nexus 4, I might go for that, too.
[23:09] <nhaines> On the other hand, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS is going to rebase on Android 4.3 or 4.4, so it's probably not very good news for Galaxy Nexus owners running Ubuntu.
[23:09] <troyready> Yeah, indeed. On Android at least, the N4 is a reaaallly nice upgrade, so I'd say it's worth it
[23:21] <blacula> I'm really sad that the 32GB model doesn't have a 3,000 mah battery


[10:12]  * fnmWaoe slaps persia around a bit with a large trout
[10:12]  * fnmWaoe slaps kaaloo around a bit with a large trout
[19:25] <jpds> The program I want to package uses an Installer.class file to install everything to the right place, is it acceptable to take these installed files, put them into a .tar.gz and make a package out of them?


[01:41] <benlake> any thoughts as to why using a host name in the qemu+ssh:// stanza doesn’t function? The MAAS controller can resolve it, but it just doesn’t work unless I use an IP address.
[01:50] <pmatulis> benlake, as the user 'maas' on the rack controller, does 'host <kvm hostname>' work?
[03:36] <benlake> pmatulis: yessir
[04:15] <benlake> what the smack, why does makring something broken power it down… ugh
[09:48] <mup> Bug #1695868 opened: [2.2. bzr6054-0ubuntu1~16.04.1, Machine details - Interfaces] I tried to create a bond from two bridges and the creation failed but I didn't get any feedback on the UI <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695868>
[14:59] <ThiagoCMC> hey guys, is there any way to deploy nodes with root login enabled (via ssh)?
[15:27] <roaksoax> ThiagoCMC: no, you can customize your deployment though
[15:27] <roaksoax> ThiagoCMC: e.g. userdata, or via preseeds
[15:28] <ThiagoCMC> ok, I know... I was just wondering if there was an option on UI to do that...
[15:28] <ThiagoCMC> No biggied
[17:10] <mup> Bug #1695937 opened: [2.2] NTP server selection might not be optimal for racks serving multiple VLANs <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695937>
[18:52] <benlake> roaksoax: you mentioned custom curtin scripts and I expressed interest. I’ll now express interest in your mention of customer preseeds. Please esplain? Just point me at something, I haven’t found such info myself.
[18:55] <roaksoax> benlake: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/06/02/customising-maas-installs/
[18:56] <benlake> roaksoax: hero!
[19:44] <roaksoax> :)
[19:51] <roaksoax> benlake: /win 4
[19:51] <roaksoax> err
[19:51] <roaksoax> sorry
[20:23] <benlake> is there a way to configure a VLAN associated subnet on an interface in an untagged manner?
[20:24] <benlake> that’s a heavy question. Basically, I know this interface has access to VLAN 123, but I can’t tell MAAS to use subnet 456 on the interface unless I also set it up to be tagged, which I don’t want.
[20:31] <ThiagoCMC> benlake, deploy it as tagged, then, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and remove the tag manually (I'm not an MaaS expert but, should work)... I'm doing similar things...
[20:32] <benlake> well, I mean I know I can setup what I need manually. Trying to use MAAS native functions as much as possible
[20:33] <benlake> but doing what you suggest at least let’s the IPAM function
[20:35] <benlake> was hoping to let MAAS handle the interfaces file solely and not cross streams with deployment tooling
[21:13] <mup> Bug #1695994 opened: [2.2] Error message when MAAS cannot resolve upstream is not user friendly <MAAS:New> <MAAS 2.2:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695994>
[22:38] <benlake> is there a way to change an IP post deployment? that seems like it’d be a pretty reasonable use case. Especially if it was statically assigned.


[11:05] <davmor2> morning all
[18:17] <YokoZar> QA team meeting still going on?
[18:20] <sbeattie> YokoZar: qa IRC team meeting is at 19:00 UTC.
[18:20] <sbeattie> (this week)
[19:57] <pedro_> QA team meeting in ~3 minutes at #ubuntu-quality