 Another entertaining and informative Q&A.
 Take meee ooonnnnn.... Marius aaaarrggg looses headphone cable.
[07:48] <ubptgbot> Max Skrpka was added by: Max Skrpka
[07:53] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> hi, sometimes i cant switch on WIFI or Mobile, or Bluetooth , and restart of pinephone is always help. But is there is terminal command, to restart WIFI, mobile, bluetooth without restarting whole phone
 I stop and restart bluetooth with `rfkill block bluetooth && rfkill unblock bluetooth` (in case I need to reconnect my smartwatch).
[08:47] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ok, great, thanks, what about wifi and mobile ?
 Selamm
 Hello guys! … I'm using a porting made by another guy and i would ask you in data partition i have 2 files, "ubuntu.img" and "system.img". Which one do i have to enlarge in order to get space to install thing via apt? I think ubuntu.img
 [Edit] Hello guys! … I'm using a porting made by another guy and i would ask you in data partition i have 2 files, "ubuntu.img" and "system.img". Which one do i have to enlarge in order to get space to install thing via apt? I think ubuntu.img (Both are 2Gb large)
 @NotKit [@klaartje_b I think it was you with Lenovo M10 FHD? https://gitlab.com/ubports/c …], I get this errors when running the command for userdata, do you have any idea? … ```Invalid logical-block-size 512: must be a power of 2 and at least 4096. … mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020) … /tmp/TemporaryFile-36t0Fy: Unimplemented ext2 library
[09:04] <ubptgbot> function while setting up superblock … /usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools/mke2fs failed with status 1 … mke2fs failed: 1 … error: Cannot generate image for userdata```
 @NotKit [@klaartje_b I think it was you with Lenovo M10 FHD? https://gitlab.com/ubports/c …], [Edit] I get these errors when running the command for userdata, do you have any idea? … ```Invalid logical-block-size 512: must be a power of 2 and at least 4096. … mke2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020) … /tmp/TemporaryFile-36t0Fy: Unimplemented ext2
[09:10] <ubptgbot> library function while setting up superblock … /usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools/mke2fs failed with status 1 … mke2fs failed: 1 … error: Cannot generate image for userdata```
 @Mattia990 [Hello guys! … I'm using a porting made by another guy and i would ask you in data …], They are the same, one is the hardlink to the other
 Thats a legacy problem, we will deal withj this for newer ports, but the old 5.1 ports do have those 2 entries
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[09:21] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> do i understand corretcly, that "realese candidat" chanel is more stable than "kernelupgrade"
[09:21] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ?
 it is … kernelupgrade is actually a special channel for development so it might even have higher chance of breaking than devel
 well chances of breaking, vs things fixed
 release candidate channel is a good compromise between stability and faster fixes/improvments
[09:26] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> cool, will try it
 dev broke a few times in the last month, so always be ready to reinstall :)
 [Edit] dev broke a few times in the last month on certain devices, so always be ready to reinstall :)
[09:26] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> tried kernel upgrade about 2 weeks ago, and my PP stack in booting
 @Max Skrpka [tried kernel upgrade about 2 weeks ago, and my PP stack in booting], yes, you will need to restart this is a bug it has
[09:27] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> oh, so it was like only restart needed
[09:27] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> will know
[09:27] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> because i reflash right after it
 boot randomly fails on kernelupgrade :)
 yeah, it's a bit random, sometimes it'll boot, sometimes not … but recently it has occurred a lot less
[09:28] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> 😀 wild wild west
 some things fixed, some things broke :)
 best thing about kerneluprgade is the less frequent need of charging especially if you don't really use it much, only for checking for updates 😄
[09:30] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> less charging ? you mean battery works more better ?
 excited to see progress on the modem wake :) cant wait for that to be more stalble
 that was one thing i avoided it for daily usage for
 wifi dropping was fine, but calls and texts into the void...
[09:32] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> is there any problems ? becuase i tested it works fine even in crust
[09:32] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> i call mysefl and wrote sms
 the problem is it would fail after some time and you wouldn't be able to tell, and it would show like it was still connected and everything
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> oh
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> good to know
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> because i am using it as DD
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> xD
 restart often :)
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> will i get sms after restart?
 nope
 they silently fail
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> 0_o
[09:35] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> well good to know
[09:35] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> no matter what cellphone?
[09:35] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> i am using pinephone
 @Max Skrpka [no matter what cellphone?], was really bad, no way to tell if it is not working - only pinephone
 well you could text yourself
[09:35] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> only pinephone have this problem, or only pinephone doest have this problem
 only pinephone has
 yeah, it's the pinephone's specialty 😆
[09:37] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> omg
[09:37] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> okay
 its a dev device :)
 the pinephone developers are basically solving the problems that Android developers solved years ago so it's not easy
 but it's a big thing moving forward
[09:38] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> didnt have problems with manjaro, at least no one tell me
[09:38] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> =)
 but they announced that Bhushan  made huge progress
 @Max Skrpka [didnt have problems with manjaro, at least no one tell me], all distros so far
[09:38] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> who is Bhushan
 one of the main kde plasma devs right?
 yeah, from plasma mobile
 which is also using ofono so they are a big help for UT
 @mateosalta [wifi dropping was fine, but calls and texts into the void...], Yeah, that one is a killer. The main reason I refrain from using PP at the moment...
 my prepaid sim expired because I already forgot to monitor it on my pinephone 😆
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> hmm
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> i dont really had somekind of experience
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> or i just doesnt get sms
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> and will never get
[09:52] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> same stuff with realese candidate ?
[09:53] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> btw what is ofono  ?
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFono
[10:05] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> release candidate - works more smoother. at least in browser
[10:13] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> does it mean, as soon plasma mobile will get modem update
[10:14] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> UT will get it next week as soon after plasma mobile
[10:14] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> ?
 t.me/utonpine  this is the Telegram chat regarding Pienphone
 For UT and Protonmail users out there, you can vote for development of a native app here: https://protonmail.uservoice.com/forums/284483-feedback/suggestions/9564855-ubuntu-phone-touch-application
 @Javacookies [I get these errors when running the command for userdata, do you have any idea? …], you may need newer fastboot util
 https://developer.android.com/studio/releases/platform-tools
 @NotKit [you may need newer fastboot util], yeah, I tried a standalone fastboot and it worked. It boot loops though 😅
 with Lenovo logo?
 yeah
 did you downgrade it to 9 before? does it just reboot repeatedly, or stays on logo?
 if it boots kernel, it should expose USB network, since I haven't disabled that yet
 @NotKit [did you downgrade it to 9 before? does it just reboot repeatedly, or stays on lo …], I flashed the oldest image from the linked site … it reboots repeatedly
 @Javacookies [I flashed the oldest image from the linked site … it reboots repeatedly], did it boot to Android 9 fine before?
 yes, although I only went until the first screen of the wizard
 I'm trying to flash stock android again but so far sp flash won't detect it 😅
 you connect the device when it's powered off?
 yeah
 then press volume up or down … it worked earlier
 reflashing UT still works though
 and still bootloops? do you get USB network or something on host?
 yeah, still the same … no battery charging screen too
 how do I check the USB network?
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[15:46] <ubptgbot> <Wandu Weipz> [https://tesIacrypto.com](https://bit.ly/2ODCMTI) … Amazing time! Tesla with EIIon-Musk open giveaaway crypto-coins!!!!
[15:53] <ubptgbot> Thomas Hansen was added by: Thomas Hansen
 @Max Skrpka [ok, great, thanks, what about wifi and mobile ?], Wifi: service network-manager restart
 @Javacookies [I mean the update channel on UT … anyway, here are the commands … sudo nmcli radio a …], this is what I use for restarting wifi on the pinephone
 @Flohack [Thats a legacy problem, we will deal withj this for newer ports, but the old 5.1 …], Thank you! … And regarding anbox, is this the latest image http://cdimage.ubports.com/anbox-images/android-armhf-64binder.img ?
[16:07] <ubptgbot> Jan Dierickx was added by: Jan Dierickx
 @Max Skrpka [ok, great, thanks, what about wifi and mobile ?], [Edit] Wifi: `service network-manager restart`
[16:58] <ubptgbot> <Max Skrpka> @Fuseteam [Wifi: service network-manager restart], Thanks
[17:07] <ubptgbot> DG4DSL was added by: DG4DSL
[18:34] <ubptgbot> Sanger Chocky was added by: Sanger Chocky
 @gibcheesepuffs [why do you need to hex edit uboot? flashing vbmeta isn't working?], No, it don't have the keys.
[18:53] <ubptgbot> <Sanger Chocky> [https://musk-crypto.net](https://bit.ly/3dVfe5f) … EIIon Muskk announce biggest crypto give-aa-way! goood!
 (Sticker, 512x401) https://irc.ubports.com/RCzihzAi.webp
 I missed my chance
 @NotKit [and still bootloops? do you get USB network or something on host?], I was able to flash lastest version using Lenovo's smart and rescue tool. Knowing I have a way to go back, I'll try again 😄 … mine came with Android 10, not sure if that causes my issue
 I wonder if it is worth to switch to A10... I have it booting with that too
[20:27] <ubptgbot> Elvin was added by: Elvin
 hi can i install ubuntu touch on Philips S326?
 @Elvin [hi can i install ubuntu touch on Philips S326?], Hello! You can check for it here and then you will know: … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 @Elvin [hi can i install ubuntu touch on Philips S326?], There is no port for it, and that device does not have enough RAM or storage to make it very usable with Ubuntu Touch.
[21:05] <ubptgbot> Cryptos027 was added by: Cryptos027
 i have a very dumb question, will ubuntu touch work only in /sdcard or will it go into / of the phone itself? … device: Xiaomi redmi note 7
 Ubuntu Touch will overwrite your current operating system
 yes it will delete the android, but will /sdcard be like / in ubuntu touch?
 like /sdcard is the root folder of ubuntu touch
[21:16] <ubptgbot> ManSitsUnderTree was added by: ManSitsUnderTree
[21:20] <ubptgbot> Catrena Padisetty was added by: Catrena Padisetty
 @Cryptos027 [yes it will delete the android, but will /sdcard be like / in ubuntu touch?], No - the Ubuntu Touch image will get written into the internal storage using  both UBports Installer or the GSI image installation instruction with the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7.
 @Cryptos027 [yes it will delete the android, but will /sdcard be like / in ubuntu touch?], [Edit] No - the Ubuntu Touch image will get written into the internal storage using  both UBports Installer or the GSI installation instructions with the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7.
 @Cryptos027 [yes it will delete the android, but will /sdcard be like / in ubuntu touch?], [Edit] No - the Ubuntu Touch image will get written into the internal storage using both UBports Installer or the GSI installation instructions with the Xiaomi Redmi Note 7.
 ok, thanks
 wait, but if i want to restore orange fox,  with android, will i be able to do that?
 Yes
 thanks a lot!
 also can i safely delete the stock user and add my own?
 or just change the password for the stock user
 @Cryptos027 [also can i safely delete the stock user and add my own?], Stock user on UT? No you cannot delete the stock user safely, are you looking to put a different username? May i ask why?
 @Cryptos027 [or just change the password for the stock user], The stock user's password is whatever you use to unlock your device


[00:01] <pangolin> !no pangolin is <reply> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) will be the sixteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/784 | Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[00:04] <knome> oh, he remembers THAT pangolin
[00:04] <knome> but not the other
[00:04] <pangolin> which other?
[00:07] <knome> don't know.
[00:07] <knome> i can't remember the other pangolin either
[00:07] <pangolin> :P
[02:18] <pangolin> !12.04
[07:17] <bazhang> ...
[07:17] <pangolin> no kidding
[07:27] <pangolin> could someone help out vibhav when he joins here, it's about his mute in #u
[07:27] <pangolin> I'm checking BT
[07:28] <vibhav> When can I be unmuted?
[07:31] <vibhav> hello?
[07:32] <pangolin> vibhav: if I remove the mute are we going to have the same problems as before that got you muted?
[07:33] <vibhav> No
[07:33] <vibhav> I promise
[07:33] <vibhav> Ill try to , at least
[07:35] <pangolin> vibhav: I think a better idea is for you to rejoin when Tm_T is online (you can send him a PM) and talk to him
[07:35] <vibhav> I could , but I dont have much time left
[07:35] <vibhav> Can't you do it?
[07:36] <pangolin> if I see him I will talk to him about removing the mute but you should also send him a pm
[07:36] <vibhav> I memoserv  him
[07:36] <pangolin> hold on a minuite
[07:36] <pangolin> minute*
[07:38] <pangolin> vibhav: ok, I will remove the mute but please make sure to follow channel guidelines and please please do not abuse the bot, use common sense :)
[07:38] <vibhav> as you wish
[07:40] <vibhav> No
[07:41] <vibhav> Irssi: #ubuntu Cannot send to channel
[07:41] <vibhav> still no
[07:41] <pangolin> hmm give me a moment
[07:43] <vibhav> thanks
[08:00] <Tm_T> uh
[11:30] <ikonia> why was vibhav messing with hte ops call ?
[11:32] <oCean> apparently he wanted to change 'idleone' to 'pangolin'
[11:33] <ikonia> another hunt for "thanks then
[11:35] <Myrtti> ubottu thinks I'm not identified
[11:35] <Myrtti> oh shush
[11:36] <Myrtti> fixed now
 as a nick, really?
[11:37] <oCean> and is DCC_SEND banevading?
[11:37] <Myrtti> oCean: you can ask him to change it if you want, I'm off to get lunch
[11:39] <Myrtti> oCean: yeah, and just sent an onjoin message
[11:39] <oCean> I'm not op in -ot
[11:40] <Myrtti> need food, will look at off fall later
[11:40] <Myrtti> he is in #u too
[11:41] <oCean> I see
[11:47] <excrementalist> so, oCean said I should join to find out exactly which part of the TOS i've infringed upon to justify a ban,
[11:47] <excrementalist> in my politely complaining about ubuntu upgrade from 11.04 -> 11.10 removing my gnome desktop.
[11:48] <excrementalist> i do not believe i've sworn, used obscenity as defined by the federal communications commisson of the united states,  nor have i been disruptive.
[11:49] <excrementalist> i find it extremely disheartening that oCean is allowed to ban me in the middle of my politely requesting - and receiving - help from 3 channel members with absolutely zero disruption to anyone else.
[11:52] <excrementalist> i signed in as poopdick and was getting help under that nick. oCean asked me to change my name, so I changed it to "fecalphallus" and he kicked me. perhaps this is justifiable if i were being disruptive in some manner. i note other users swearing in the channel without receiving any warnings.
[11:52] <excrementalist> but then i change my nick to excrementalist, rejoin, and ask:
[11:52] <excrementalist> excrementalist> oCean, why so humorless.. fecal phallus is a valid - but perhaps witless - expression of angst with the sudden changes to my ubuntu install upon upgrading.
[11:52] <excrementalist> and this is grounds for a ban?????????
[11:52] <oCean> Are you claiming you read our CoC and Channel Guidelines?
[11:53] <excrementalist> i'm claiming my behavior was not disruptive in any way, and your ban is completely arbitrary. I note you did not reply to my question in the query window, asking if EuroNerd was warned or banned for his language.
[11:54] <excrementalist> and, btw i have the ToS open in firefox and im reading as we discuss this.
[11:55] <excrementalist> OK so now I've read the code of conduct as well.
[11:55] <excrementalist> Again, I've been nothing but polite, except perhaps in my choice of initial nickname I used to join the channel, and even that is debatable.
[11:56] <ikonia> excrementalist: your argument that blows huge chunks of rotting excrement.
[11:56] <ikonia> is that polite ?
[11:56] <excrementalist> thats not what i said
[11:56] <excrementalist> i said, <poopdick> zaxonspox, damn, that blows huge chunks of rotting excrement.
[11:56] <excrementalist> in response to:
[11:56] <ikonia> your complaiing pile of steaming, rotting waste products
 poopdick didnt checked, but read, that you have to put some work to be able to choose gnome into gdm choose list
[11:57] <ikonia> is the way I'm talking to you polite ?
[11:57] <excrementalist> ikonia, i am indeed relating the concept that, if i have to "put some work to be able to choose gnome into the gdm choose list"
[11:57] <excrementalist> then that is, indeed, a huge pile of rotting excrement
[11:57] <ikonia> excrementalist: you are failing
[11:58] <ikonia> that is not a polite way to communicate with people
[11:58] <ikonia> I can take that same approach then
[11:58] <excrementalist> i was not banned for the above statement
[11:58] <excrementalist> i was banned for asking, " excrementalist> oCean, why so humorless.. fecal phallus is a valid - but perhaps witless - expression of angst with the sudden changes to my ubuntu install upon upgrading."
[11:59] <ikonia> excrementalist: yes, and that is a continuation of above
[11:59] <excrementalist> so in other words, to have ones work at customizing a desktop layout removed without warning by an upgrade, is acceptable to you?
[11:59] <ikonia> your language and approach to communication is unacetpable
[11:59] <oCean> excrementalist: As you might be aware in the meantime, our coc and guidelines comes down to "keep it clean, respectful, family-friendly and professional"
[11:59] <ikonia> if you have to explain it "in other words" it's wrong
[12:00] <oCean> if you don't understand your current behaviour is not acceptable, I would advice you to take some time off to consider this.
[12:00] <oCean> You can return in a day or 3 and let us know if you can work with the CoC and guidelines provided
[12:01] <excrementalist> oCean, and i would use the standards of "family friendly" that you are applying to EuroNerd and others who utilized language in a similar matter
[12:02] <excrementalist> would you like to review the channel logs from the past 24 hours to see just how many times others have used profane language and NOT been even kicked, let alone banned?
[12:02] <oCean> no, not at all
[12:02] <ikonia> worry about yourself
[12:02] <ikonia> euronerd made no such comments in #ubuntu
 Stanley00, I just installed it and tried to change sth and it completely f#cked up my desktop. Had to spend 20min searching for a solution on the web to restore it.
[12:03] <ikonia> worry about yourself
[12:03] <oCean> excrementalist: would you like to review the channel logs from the past 24 hours to see just how many users are happily complying with our Coc and guidelines?
[12:03] <excrementalist> if my lighthearted comments comparing a disruptive software upgrade to excrement are considered profane, then surely euronerds comment is far more explicit, yet he was not even warned.
[12:04] <excrementalist> again, i came back in the channel with a new nickname "Excrementalist" and attempted to open a lighthearted and jovial discussion with you, oCean, about the fact that my choice of wording was entirely based on having a software upgrade destroy or otherwise eliminate all traces of my efforts spent customizing the gnome desktop.
[12:04] <excrementalist> to which you responded with a ban.
[12:05] <excrementalist> that is hardly respectful or professional.
[12:05] <ikonia> well, those are the rules, you can accept them or not use the channel, your call
[12:05] <ikonia> come back as oCean said when you can make up your mind
[12:05] <excrementalist> but i have respected them.
[12:05] <ikonia> nothing more to discuss
[12:05] <ikonia> no - you have not
[12:06] <ikonia> that's just been explained to you with your fecal pile of excriment "style" comments
[12:06] <excrementalist> i complied with the request made with the kick.
[12:06] <excrementalist> i was kicked due to my choice of language.
[12:06] <excrementalist> the ban was entirely unnecessary.
[12:06] <ikonia> and then came back trying again
[12:06] <ikonia> with "joval" comments
[12:06] <ikonia> clearly not as you came back with the same approach
[12:07] <ikonia> when you are happy that you can join the channel without such comments or "joval" discussion I don't think there will be a problem
[12:07] <excrementalist> the word is Jovial
[12:07] <excrementalist> not joval
[12:07] <excrementalist> jo·vi·al 1. endowed with or characterized by a hearty, joyous humor or a spirit of good-fellowship: a wonderfully jovial host.
[12:07] <ikonia> apologies for a typo, but if that's your concern, I think you can stop wasting our time now and leave
[12:08] <ikonia> my "I" key is sticking due to a bit of lag
[12:08] <ikonia> I suggest you leave now and think about how you interact with people
[12:09] <excrementalist> i will be monitoring your ubuntu channel from several hosts over the next week, and watching yours and Ocean's activity as to consistency and impartiality of enforcement of the ToS and CoC.
[12:10] <ikonia> then you will be ban evading and I'll report this to freenode now
[12:10] <excrementalist> i will be taking this up with ubuntu channel management in email and/or physical, handwritten letter, as well as freenode staff, also in writing if need be.
[12:10] <excrementalist> you have no idea who i am.
[12:10] <ikonia> Freenode have nothing to do with the channel, you can contact them in #freenode if you want
[12:10] <ikonia> I don't care who you are
[12:10] <ikonia> leave the channel pleas.e
[12:11] <excrementalist> your actions in defending this ban are entirely arbitrary and capricious, while i have been - and continue to be - nothing but good natured
[12:11] <ikonia> leave the channel please
[12:11] <excrementalist> particularly in my request that if the rules are to be enforced, then they are done so impartially and consistently to all channel users.
[12:11] <ikonia> I suggest someone remove him
[12:11] <ikonia> leave the channel please if you want to show you can follow the rules
[12:12] <excrementalist> so be it. you will likely be hearing about this from your management staff.
[12:12] <ikonia> you've had the reason explained to you, you've been given the option of returning when you can comply with the rules, you continue to argue
[12:12] <ikonia> ok - I look forward to hearing about it from managment staff
[12:12] <ikonia> leave the channel and come back when you have thought about how you want to proceed
[12:12] <ikonia> now leave the channel please.
[12:12] <excrementalist> i have already stated, i was not in noncompliance with the rules upon my return. i was speaking to oCean. he could have replied with a reference to the ToS or CoC.
[12:12] <excrementalist> instead he banned me.
[12:13] <ikonia> ok - leave the channel, take it up with mangagment, we are done here
[12:13] <Myrtti> excrementalist: a link to the TOS is given to you when you join the channel
[12:13] <excrementalist> this is hardly professional. and I will be monitoring his and your actions for consistency and impartiality over the next week.
[12:13] <ikonia> excrementalist: I have informed freenode of your intention to ban evade,
[12:14] <ikonia> excrementalist: please contact our managment as you have suggested, leave.
[12:14] <Myrtti> excrementalist: while we thrive to be professional, it's all voluntary
[12:15] <excrementalist> Myrtti: i understand. and the only thing i've done which was apparently considered unprofessional, was express my disgust at having my work at customizing gnome removed by this upgrade, both in my nick and in exactly one statement in the channel.
[12:15] <ikonia> multiple statments
[12:15] <ikonia> and then a simialr style statement once you where kicked as a warning
[12:15] <ikonia> similar
[12:16] <ikonia> this has gone on long enough, you've been given chances to comply
[12:17] <excrementalist> ikonia: there was exactly one statement in the channel for which i was kicked. i came back in asking why i was kicked, and for that i was banned.
[12:17] <ikonia> excrementalist: I've given you multiple statments you said in the channel, I'll re-paste them for you
[12:17] <excrementalist> that hardly qualifies as "multiple" statements since i had to use the same words to express the question about why i was kicked
[12:17] <ikonia> 1.)
[12:17] <ikonia> 11:40 < poopdick> zaxonspox, damn, that blows huge chunks of rotting excrement.
[12:18] <ikonia> 2.)
[12:18] <ikonia> 1:41 < poopdick> oCean: i cant speak about the pile of steaming, rotting waste products that unity is compared to gnome?
[12:18] <ikonia> and after you where spoke to and kicked as a warning
[12:18] <ikonia> 3.) 11:44 < excrementalist> oCean, why so humorless.. fecal phallus is a valid - but perhaps witless - expression of angst with the sudden changes to my ubuntu install upon upgrading.
[12:18] <excrementalist> yes and i was only warned about ONE of those first two statements.
[12:18] <excrementalist> not both of them.
[12:18] <ikonia> this is petty
[12:19] <ikonia> you are banned - change your attitude and come back
[12:19] <excrementalist> so was the ban for asking why ocean was humorless
[12:19] <ikonia> discussion over
[12:19] <excrementalist> you note i did not contest the kick
[12:19] <excrementalist> i came back in, in full compliance.
[12:20] <ikonia> Myrtti: this guy won't leave or listen and continues to argue, threaten to ban evade, you can waste more time with him or remove him when you grow board, I a have enough of this waste of time
[12:20] <excrementalist> none of this disparaged any user in the channel, nor did it disrupt any users discussions or help they were receiving. the only thing i disparaged with my statements was the upgrade process that destroyed my work in customizing gnome.
[12:20] <excrementalist> again, i came back in the channel with a new nickname, which was oCean's last request to me, to change my nick, and the reason he kicked me in the first place.
[12:21] <Myrtti> excrementalist: ok, here's the beef
[12:21] <Myrtti> excrementalist: as I said to you in #ubuntu earlier, the problems you've experienced in 11.10 stem from the fact that Gnome 2 is *not* supported anymore.
[12:21] <excrementalist> and, my gathering statistics on the quality of operator professionalism, consistency and impartiality hardly constitutes ban evading.
[12:21] <Myrtti> it's not supported by Gnome Foundation and the developers, so Ubuntu can't support it either
[12:22] <Myrtti> other distros will soon move to Gnome 3 as well
[12:23] <Myrtti> this topic, however, with all the nuances that involve the subject, is not on topic to #ubuntu, which doesn't take sides and can only suggest alternatives, and we as ops can only ask people to take the discussion of comparing different environments to channels that aren't support only
[12:23] <excrementalist> Myrtti, indeed, I thank you again for your polite response to my query, admittedly expressed in an angsty (and perhaps witless) manner. you gave me good information, and i was well on my way to discussing further with zaxonspox about what issues he encountered getting gnome-shell to reappear in the gdm menu.
[12:26] <excrementalist> actually i have no problem with gnome 2 being unsupported. i am more than happy to begin the migration to gnome 3. but, since gnome 3 is already in the repository, i am surprised the upgrade process did not detect that i was still using gnome and already NOT using unity for 11.04, and automatically install gnome 3 or at least gnome shell.
[12:26] <Myrtti> now going on further with the discussion, #ubuntu aims to be a familyfriendly channel that is strictly support - and especially with the recent influx of users who are disappointed in the functionalities of Gnome3 and/or Unity, it's become a frustrating job to tell our users to move the discussion elsewhere. When your "angsty and perhaps witless)" outburst appeared on the channel with the language you used, people jumped. ...
[12:26] <Myrtti> ... Bleeped out cussing is frowned upon, and acronyms as well
[12:26] <excrementalist> i note the ~/.gnome2 hierarchy is still intact so probably my customizations are still intact
[12:27] <Myrtti> we have a policy that even obfuscated cursing is cursing as we all know what is meant, and so an op asked you to refrain from foul language and to change your nick to something appropriate
[12:27] <Myrtti> I'm certain your keyboard is capable of typing a nick that doesn't appear to be chosen just to spite people who have asked you to change it
[12:27] <excrementalist> are you saying that the problem is with my current nickname, excrementalist?
[12:28] <Myrtti> I see it as a display of an attitude that I'm not happy about
[12:28] <excrementalist> Because really, I was already aware that the issue was the profane nature of the concept of a "fecal phallus." Thats why I changed it to excrementalist.
[12:30] <excrementalist> ok well, considering that despite my choice of expressions, overall I've maintained a high degree of politeness and decorum about these matters, if I changed my nickname to something entirely different  - and agreed to keep my expressions within the ToS and CoC as I am obviously more than capable of, would the management here be willing to lift the ban???
[12:32] <Myrtti> ikonia? I'm happy to let him in
[12:33] <mentalgymnast> ill even go one further.
[12:33] <ikonia> up to you - I'm not, I find his atittude poor, and his threats to ban evade and "monitor" when he didn't get his way a bad atittude, that said, if you're happy, go for it
[12:34] <Myrtti> ok, entelechy: there's a catch in all this
[12:34] <entelechy> yes?
[12:34] <Myrtti> if ikonia or any other op is unhappy with how you behave, the ban is back on and discussing it here will be considerably more difficult
[12:34] <entelechy> understood.
[12:34] <Myrtti> do you understand that?
[12:34] <Myrtti> good
[12:36] <Myrtti> oCean?
[12:37] <oCean> If entelechy is convinced he understands what we've discussed, and under what conditions he can enter again, fine with me
[12:37] <entelechy> thank you.
[12:37] <Myrtti> ok, you can try to join now.
[12:37] <entelechy> i'd like to point out that the same sort of attention to the minutiae and wording should be applied equally to all users.
[12:37] <entelechy> i do not see it as "ban evading" to check to see if the enforcement of these considerations is selective and capricious as it seemed to me here, or consistent and impartial as it should be and hopefully usually is.
[12:37] <Myrtti> thanks for co-operation
[12:37] <ikonia> here we go again
[12:37] <entelechy> thanks, im really not trying to be disruptive.
[12:37] <ikonia> still complaining
[12:37] <oCean> :(
[12:38] <ikonia> screw it, this guy is not going back in
[12:38] <oCean> attitude is back
[12:38] <entelechy> so, to politely request consistency is to be construed as "attitude"??
[12:38] <entelechy> this is quite troublesome.
[12:38] <oCean> even tricked us in believing you understood
[12:39] <entelechy> i do understand. quite well indeed.
[12:39] <oCean> no, you don't
[12:39] <oCean> now leave the channel and consider what happened
[12:39] <oCean> !appeals > entelechy
[12:39] <entelechy> if these rules are to apply to me, they need to apply to EuroNerd too.
[12:40] <ikonia> they apply to every one - and I've told you 3 times, concern yourself with YOURSELF
[12:41] <entelechy> ive already demonstrated that by changing my nickname, YET AGAIN. it hardly constitutes attitude to make a polite statement that these rules should be consistently applied.
[12:41] <ikonia> I'm doing other things now, bye
[12:50] <ikonia> !idle | entelechy
 I'm doing other things now, bye
[12:51] <ikonia> correct, so please leave the channel now.
 concern yourself with YOURSELF
[12:51] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with anything
[12:51] <entelechy> perhaps I should. I'm busy writing several letters to your seniors in ubunti management. good day.
[12:51] <ikonia> please leave the channel now. you have been told how to appeal your ban,
[12:51] <ikonia> good idea.
[12:52] <entelechy> goodbye.
[12:52] <ikonia> bye
[13:20] <ikonia> hello orated
[13:20] <orated> Hello! Can anyone help here?
[13:20] <orated> Hi ikonia
[13:20] <ikonia> what's up ?
[13:20] <ikonia> how can we help
[13:20] <orated> I'm getting abusive pm's from nick monica in #ubuntu
[13:20] <ikonia> I was just looking at that, what sort of thing are you gettin g?
[13:20] <ikonia> links ?
[13:21] <ikonia> sorry, are you getting links ?
[13:21] <orated> Yes and things like that
[13:22] <ikonia> ok, I'll deal with this, thank you for reporting it
[13:23] <orated> I have shared partially what I was getting by PM to you, if you didn't mind that.
[13:23] <orated> Thank you
[13:23] <ikonia> delt with
[17:02] <Ignacio> Hi
[17:02] <oCean> Hi Ignacio
[17:03] <Ignacio> Excuse Me,, Me equivoque de canal
[17:03] <Ignacio> I need help:
[17:03] <Ignacio> Failed to create window or set video mode SDL error: X11 driver not configured with OpenGL
[17:03] <Ignacio> (Speak spanish)
[17:03] <oCean> !es | Ignacio
[17:29] <Ryan_Reynolds> oCean, why the ban?4
[17:31] <oCean> I'll be right with you
[17:33] <oCean> Ryan_Reynolds: So, I made it quite clear that the #ubuntu channel is not for general discussion, nor for your personal rants against specific developments in ubuntu
[17:33] <oCean> yet you continued in the same manner
[17:34] <Ryan_Reynolds> so asking for assistance in enabling my nvidia driver is a bannable offense?
[17:34] <Ryan_Reynolds> you're a fuckin retarded mod
[17:34] <oCean> Oh, that is going to help you
[17:34] <Myrtti>  it's a pattern
[17:40] <mneptok> i'm very disappointed in Andy Griffith.
[17:41] <oCean> mneptok: yeah, one would expect that he could make a better argument
[17:42] <mneptok> and a more genteel, gentlemanly one.
[17:43] <mneptok> maybe things get better after the commercials.
[17:43] <oCean> (:
[17:45] <mneptok> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARXfQzfl9EQ
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Would it be a good idea to register the nick "ubuntu" so that users joining from LiveCDs would be switched to a Guestfoo nick? Or maybe recommend a patch to Ubuntu's Empathy / Xchat configuration to use something like "ubuntu-live-user" instead?


[00:07]  * PriceChild is probably back tomorrow
[00:11] <nikrud> everyone have your fun while you can
[01:54] <ubotu> In ubotu, kgoetz said: ubotu thx is reasons to use words when thanking people: http://lumpio.no-ip.com/dont-use-thx-sry-plz.txt
[02:07] <Pici> eh.. no.
[02:31] <nikrud> Pici you are overly discriminating I think ;)
[02:32] <Pici> nikrud: thx
[02:32] <nikrud> heh
[02:32] <nikrud> yw
[04:49] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, re-align said: ubotu, why is there no Kubuntu version of you?
[05:54] <ubotu> RioMerc called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[05:58] <nalioth> what the heck was that?
[05:58] <elkbuntu> you havent put ubotu in #linux have you?
[05:58] <tritium> kindofabuzz was asking how to find out who the ops of a channel are, and RioMerc used the ops trigger
[05:59] <nalioth> zcat issued a weird weird phrasing
[05:59] <tritium> Oh, you mean zcat[1]'s bit.  That was strange
[05:59] <nalioth> i know about riomerc and kindofabuzz
[05:59] <elkbuntu> then zcat decided to repaste the list list with the channel changed
[06:01] <nalioth> says he joined ##linux and /msg'd the bot 'ops'
[06:01] <nalioth> ?!?!?!?!?
[06:01] <nalioth> alrighty then
[06:08] <tritium> Good night.
[06:26] <Myrtti> morning
[06:43] <tritium> What the heck...
[07:23] <DBO> ping Amaranth
[09:45] <tonyyarusso> whoa, it's a DBO
[09:46] <DBO> it sure is
[12:14]  * Hobbsee has had enough of irc ops crap.
[12:14] <Hobbsee> more than enough
[12:28] <Myrtti> I'm quite certain Lyn wasn't trolling
[12:29] <Seveas> then what the hell would you call that behaviour?
[12:29] <Myrtti> spam isn't exactly a clear term since it's closely associated with email spam
[12:30] <Myrtti> I know what it means in that factoid only because I've been ... what's the word...
[12:31] <Myrtti> /me is shooting blanks
[12:31] <elkbuntu> bring orvokki in here please
[12:31] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, you mean, you're in the know?
[12:31] <ompaul> elkbuntu, na lets leave it
[12:31] <Myrtti> because I've been watching and participating in the process
[12:32] <Myrtti> I can discuss the matter with him if you want
[12:32] <ompaul> if we have to address every person for a lack of common sense then -ot should be shut down
[12:32] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, please
[12:32] <ompaul> and #u kept on topic the whole time
[12:33] <ompaul> _no_ social activity on irc
[12:33] <Myrtti> could you please unban Lynoure?
[12:33] <Myrtti> I don't think the ban is just
[12:33] <Myrtti> a simple kick would've sufficed
[12:33] <Myrtti> and asking her to come here and explain the matter, if necessary
[12:36] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[12:37] <Hobbsee> hm?
[12:37] <Myrtti> I'm disagreeing with the banning of Lynoure being necessary and just
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Seveas: did you speak to her?
[12:38] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, have her come explain why she insists on providing an obstacle. it's hard enough to catch emma since she's so sneaky, let alone having to put out lynoure's fires whilst trying to do so.
[12:38] <Seveas> Hobbsee, haven't had time yet with all the side discussions going on
[12:38] <Hobbsee> k
[12:40] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: honestly I don't want to get more mixed up in this since I didn't do the ban and haven't been dealing with the issue of emma and her channel
[12:40] <Myrtti> and I'm naturally biased towards Lyn
[12:40] <Myrtti> as anyone can see.
[12:46] <Myrtti> oh, never mind. I'll do vacuuming before I do anything irate
[12:46] <elkbuntu> she gave seveas some bad attitude, but hobbsee's managed to talk to her. she's unbanned.
[12:47] <ompaul> ballard is not our friend
[12:48] <ompaul> ruining our ban lists like that
[12:58] <ikonia> LjL: are you there at all ?
[12:58] <ikonia> morning ompaul
[12:58] <ompaul> ikonia, I am
[12:58] <LimCore> hello
[12:59] <elkbuntu> LimCore, can we help?
[12:59] <Pici> ompaul is not LjL last time I checked.
[12:59]  * Pici checks again
[12:59] <elkbuntu> Pici, hopefully a satisfactory replacement though
[12:59] <LimCore> yes, it would be so nice if some operators will not place longer bans basing on personall feelings
[12:59] <ompaul> Pici, morning ompaul was said -0- I did not hit him with a it is afternoon
[12:59] <elkbuntu> LimCore, you'll need to be more specific
[13:00] <LimCore> default ban length is 24 hours isnt it?
[13:00] <ompaul> no
[13:00] <Pici> There is no 'default ban length'
[13:00] <LimCore> they dont auto expire?
[13:00] <Hobbsee> there is...bah.
[13:00] <ompaul> no
[13:01]  * Hobbsee types too slowly.
[13:01] <elkbuntu> LimCore, please state your issue fully.
[13:01] <Hobbsee> i thought there were plans to make an autoexpirer for banning with ubotu, though
[13:01] <Hobbsee> sometime.
[13:01] <Seveas> LimCore, one tip, if you want to get someone to do something for you (in this case the removal of a ban), it's better not to start with verbal abuse...
[13:01] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, yeah they um... are still in progress
[13:02] <ompaul> Hobbsee, feel free to write the code ;-)
[13:02]  * ompaul runs
[13:02] <LimCore> well, mneptok interrupted intereesting conversation with a ban, and keeps it while it is no longer needed
[13:02] <Seveas> Hobbsee, need to replace ubotu first, need to upgrade my colobox to hardy for that
[13:02] <LimCore> where I pointed out social related security issue in scponly program in #ubuntu+1
[13:03] <Seveas> mrt 22 07:13:43 <LimCore>       boy, is ubuntu+1 full of close minded people like mneptok
[13:03] <LimCore> Seveas: that was my reaction to the oryginal ban
[13:03] <Seveas> LimCore, it doesn't help your case
[13:03] <elkbuntu> LimCore, that line is considered a personal attack.
[13:03] <LimCore> I thought on FREEnode people should be free to say what they trully think. it works usually on other channels
[13:04] <elkbuntu> !codeofconduct
[13:04] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[13:04] <LimCore> elkbuntu: I didnt said "idiot" or something. it was ment like "conservative"
[13:04] <Seveas> LimCore, your behaviour in #ubuntu+1 warranted a ban, if you don't know why, read that link ubotu gave
[13:04] <elkbuntu> LimCore, that code is linked to from channel topics. it is the Terms of Service for the ubuntu channels.
[13:05] <LimCore> Seveas: ok
[13:05] <Seveas> mrt 22 06:30:29 <LimCore>       ubuntu sucks about security, can this be changed?
[13:05] <LimCore> Seveas: and now keeping such ban makes no sense, other then distrupting me for fixing a bug in ubuntu
[13:05] <Seveas> sure, that's the way to get help
[13:05] <Seveas> the ban stays, trolls are not welcome
[13:05] <Hobbsee> LimCore: afaik, bugs don't get fixed on irc anyway.  that's why there's a bugtracker.
[13:05] <LimCore> Seveas: it works fully on other top10 channels, some apparently vary in accepted style
[13:06] <LimCore> Hobbsee: I wonder how to make a proper .patch to send to bugtracker
[13:06] <elkbuntu> LimCore, read the code of conduct and come back another time
[13:06] <Seveas> LimCore, you're lucky I wasn't there when you were trolling. I'd have banned you for that line alone
[13:06] <LimCore> Hobbsee: and, who to ask to have it polled in into new version asap
[13:06] <Hobbsee> LimCore: suggest you ask in #ubuntu-motu, where developers are.
[13:06] <Seveas> LimCore, anything else?
[13:06] <Hobbsee> LimCore: we're in feature freeze.  they'll tell you ther.e
[13:07] <LimCore> Seveas: yes, "trolling" is defined by lack of constructive point, and this is why it's not wellcomed, right?
[13:07] <Seveas> mrt 22 06:30:29 <LimCore>       ubuntu sucks about security, can this be changed?
[13:07] <Seveas> that's not constructive
[13:08] <LimCore> Seveas: and I didn't said anything more on this topic, or did I proceed to explain my point
[13:08] <elkbuntu> Seveas, agreed. thats an insult with a few words tacked on the end
[13:08] <LimCore> Seveas: it was a bad start yes, sorry
[13:08] <Seveas> LimCore, only nonsense came after that
[13:08] <Seveas> so bye bye
[13:08] <Hobbsee> ...
[13:10] <Pici> sigh
[13:10] <Hobbsee> Seveas: finger.  trigger.  bad.
[13:11] <Seveas> Hobbsee, troll. not stopping. worse :)
[13:11] <Seveas> logs from +1 and his 'retaliation' in #ubuntu say enough
[13:11] <Hobbsee> Seveas: catalysing.
[13:11] <Seveas> as does his entrance here
[13:11] <Hobbsee> yeah well
[13:12] <elkbuntu> it could be worse, he could have been the 'hi can we help you' 'yes i want my ban lifted' 'ban from where' 'i want my ban lifted' guy
[14:27] <ubotu> In ubotu, evand said: wubi is an official Ubuntu installer for Windows users.  It is included on the 8.04 CD.
[14:28] <Pici> !wubi
[14:28] <ubotu> wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://wubi-installer.org/
[14:28] <Pici> hmm
[14:28]  * Pici wonders what other factoids will have to be updated for Hardy's release
[14:28] <ompaul> !search gutsy
[14:28] <ubotu> Found: studiorepo, links, kde, dolphin, torrents, download, 7.10, virtualbox, rt, gibbon
[14:29] <Hobbsee> !no wubi is an official Ubuntu installer for Windows users.  It is included on the 8.04 CD.
[14:29] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[14:29] <Jucato> dolphin/d3lphin doesn't need to be changed :)
[14:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I really hate wubi, have there been some imporvements I have not seen?
[14:29] <Hobbsee> !wubi > evand
[14:29] <Pici> I meant because of changes to audio, video, etc.. not just name changes.
[14:39] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: ok, lets continue this here then.
[14:39] <ompaul> Scunizi, ?
[14:39] <ompaul> seamus_ie, ?
[14:39] <ompaul> how can we help you?
[14:40] <evand> Wubi *is* supported by Ubuntu and you should not turn users away from #ubuntu because they're asking for help using it or installs from it.
[14:40] <Scunizi> I'm listening.. debate on Wubi and it's merrits
[14:41] <Jack_Sparrow> wubi is unofficial until hardy.. unoffical ..
[14:41] <evand> Uh, no.
[14:41] <evand> Sure, you can direct them to #ubuntu+1 as it's only available on Hardy.
[14:41] <evand> But that's not what you were doing at all.
[14:41] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, People are always having trouble with it and the simulated partitioning.
[14:41] <evand> It is NOT simulated partitioning.
[14:41] <evand> I already explained this to you.
[14:42] <Jack_Sparrow> It does not work and can even pose a danger to your ntfs system per one of the last blogs I read and shared with the other ops
[14:42] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: It does work, if there's a bug in it, it should be filed as such.
[14:43]  * Hobbsee points out the fact that evand is one (or the only, now) guy who works on the ubuntu installer, including wubi, and probably has a clue.
[14:43] <evand> The only changes it makes to the NTFS filesystem is A) creating a file B) adding an option to the Windows bootloader using the Microsoft tool to do it.
[14:43] <evand> one of three if you count cjwatson and Ago.
[14:43] <seamus_ie> Jack_Sparrow: just because people are having trouble with it doesn't mean they should not be helped, quite the opposite. wubi is designed to allow windows users to try linux without partitioning their hard drive and by installing a program in the "normal" manner, I think this should be encouraged
[14:44] <Hobbsee> evand: ago?  don't know him.
[14:44]  * ompaul wonders about this idea of running gnu in a file container on an ntfs partition
[14:44] <evand> Hobbsee: Agostino Russo.  He's the lead Wubi developer, but not an Ubuntu developer yet.
[14:44] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[14:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I have not seen any of you in the channel helping with a fairly reoccuring issue with wubi
[14:45] <ompaul> evand, does it give a boot loader pointer to the file address?
[14:45] <Hobbsee> Jack_Sparrow: because developers often help out users with their issues all the time, instead of actually developing...
[14:45] <Jack_Sparrow> HOw much of windowes is running in the background
[14:46] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: none. It doesnt run in Windows.
[14:46] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: The best way for me to handle Wubi issues is via bug reports.  I have too many obligations to fixing bugs in and further developing the installer to sit in #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 to handle every user issue.  I have wubi on hilight in both channels and do give what time I can to directing people to the right place.
[14:46] <evand> Which is exactly how I came by your incorrect comments.
[14:46] <jrib> evand: is there a wubi channel?
[14:47] <evand> jrib: No, I don't believe it's necessary.  Wubi is not different enough from a regular Ubuntu install to warrant it.
[14:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Wow...
[14:48] <Pici> hm?
[14:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Disbelief in that statement...
[14:48] <jrib> evand: right, the only difference I can see would be with installation
[14:48] <Pici> Once its up and running, I suppose we may see some differences in fstab, but everything else should be the same.
[14:49] <evand> jrib: Even that isn't very different.  It actually uses Ubiquity for about 95% of the install.  In fact, it's very, very similar to a preseeded install.
[14:50] <ompaul> hang on - support a filecontainer on ntfs and then MS comes along and nukes your container generation or boot loader creation method {don't think they won't, they don't know how to play fair}  -- and have #ubuntu screaming -- I think we live in interesting times
[14:50]  * Hobbsee smiles.  -offtopic has learned.
[14:50] <ompaul> this could be intesting
[14:50] <ompaul> interesting
[14:50] <evand> ompaul: Yes.  See the Wubi bzr trunk and the lupin source package.
[14:51] <jrib> well, as wubi is on the cd, I don't see how we can claim wubi discussion is offtopic, at least once hardy is released.  Does anyone disagree with this?
[14:52] <evand> ompaul: I think we're safe.  It's a regular file on Windows and the method we use to add it to the bootloader is standard in the Windows world.
[14:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Nope.. But I clearly wont be recommending it.. but I'll leave it for others to address the issues, make their own romm if needed etc
[14:53] <jrib> evand: wubi project is only for installing ubuntu or does it do other distros as well?
[14:53]  * Hobbsee blinks
[14:53] <ompaul> evand, well watch service packs like a hawk would be my advice ;-)  -- the concept that they would not play foul in some way scares me
[14:53] <evand> jrib: Ubuntu and Kubuntu currently.
[14:53] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, do you have an howto's for the people having installation issues so we can link them
[14:53] <Hobbsee> you know, i *might* even beat Seveas in -offtopic.
[14:54] <ompaul> Hobbsee, don't try he has a +1 script ;-) infinity is smaller than infinity +1
[14:54] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: for the time being I would point them at the Wubi forum until the wubi-installer.org site is switched to the 8.04 Beta: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234
[14:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[14:54] <evand> ompaul: :)
[14:55] <jrib> !wubi
[14:55] <ubotu> wubi is an official Ubuntu installer for Windows users.  It is included on the 8.04 CD.
[14:57] <ompaul> !no wubi is <reply> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta
[14:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[14:57] <ompaul> Pici, ^^ now there is one for hardy upgrade :P
[14:57] <ompaul> hmm that does not read too good
[14:57] <ompaul> !no wubi is <reply> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[14:58] <jrib> evand: that result seem reasonable?
[14:58] <evand> https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug - anyone mind if that URL gets added to it?
[14:58] <ompaul> na
[14:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Not at all
[14:58] <evand> "Please file bugs here" or whatever people think is appropriate
[14:59] <ompaul> !no wubi is <reply> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubu bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[14:59] <ubotu> I'll remember that ompaul
[14:59] <evand> thanks
[14:59] <ompaul> evand, please remember the shorter the factoid the more the impact ;-)
[15:00] <jrib> !wubi =~ s/wubu/wubi
[15:00] <ubotu> Missing end delimiter
[15:00] <jrib> !wubi =~ s/wubu/wubi/
[15:00] <ubotu> I'll remember that jrib
[15:00] <jrib> !wubi
[15:00] <ubotu> wubi advice here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234  and  http://wubi.org  [file wubi bugs here:  https://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug ] (it will be included in hardy 8.04 currently in beta)
[15:00] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, What ab out the file installation/system problems that seem to be popping up, are they covered in the forums
[15:01] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: If they ask in the forums or file a bug about it, whatever problem they have with installation will get addressed.
[15:01] <Hobbsee> ubotu: lies
[15:01] <ubotu> Mostly just statistics, but yeah.
[15:01] <Hobbsee> lies, damned lies, and propaganda.
[15:02] <evand> lol
[15:02] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, all sound, video and networking should not be any different as far as support?
[15:02] <Hobbsee> ompaul: you want the honours?
[15:03] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: correct, that should be exactly the same
[15:03] <evand> the only thing that's *not* available to Wubi uses is hibernation.
[15:03] <evand> users*
[15:03] <Jack_Sparrow> they dont have that now :)
[15:03] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ?
[15:03] <Pici> evand: Is it somehow disabled in the install? or does it just fail?
[15:04] <Hobbsee> ompaul: see -offtopic.
[15:04] <evand> Pici: iirc, it's disabled.  But if it's available (which would be a bug), it should be avoided.
[15:05]  * Pici makes a mental note
[15:05] <Jack_Sparrow> come out of hibernation and write all over your ntfs.. ouch
[15:05] <evand> well, it will just fail to hibernate/return.
[15:06] <evand> trashing outside of the wubi file would be quite the feat.
[15:06] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, the last blog I read warned of the danger of it crashing out of the file structure and begining to write over windows
[15:06] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ok humble pie had to be eaten
[15:07] <Hobbsee> ompaul: yeah, that's why she's not gone.
[15:07] <evand> Jack_Sparrow: I'd love a link to that.  The worst you can do is hard reboot a Wubi install which could do damage to your NTFS parition, but it's the same risk posed when you do a hard reboot from Windows.
[15:07] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, but ntfs write has improved since then
[15:07] <evand> Indeed, ntfs-3g is quite stable.
[15:08] <Jack_Sparrow> evand, Is that statement anywhere in your docs about the hard boot.
[15:09] <Jack_Sparrow> evbanit may be common knowledge, but knowledge is not common
[15:10] <evand> http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php#requirements - under "Any Gotcha?"
[15:22] <MrUnagi> ljl here
[15:23] <Pici> He hasn't been around today yet.
[15:23] <MrUnagi> what time does he usually roll out of bed
[15:23] <Pici> Hes usually here by now, so I don't know.
[15:23] <MrUnagi> thanks
[15:24] <ompaul> anything else?
[16:10] <Adys> Hey there, someone sent me here to ask for an update of the !dmix link to http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin
[16:10] <Pici> !dmix
[16:10] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:11] <Adys> Last one, sorry
[16:12] <Pici> !no sound is <reply> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[16:12] <ubotu> I'll remember that Pici
[16:12] <Pici> !no dmix is <alias> sound
[16:12] <ubotu> You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm
[16:12] <Pici> !no dmix is <alias> sound
[16:12] <Pici> Adys: all fixed
[16:12] <Adys> cheers :)
[16:14] <ompaul> adys does not mince words
[17:00] <MrUnagi> has ljl arrived
[17:02] <ompaul> not since you were last here
[17:02] <MrUnagi> thanks
[17:27] <Pici> Can I get an good 'official sounding' repsonse to this: http://wiki.yak.net/894
[17:28] <Pici> Or rather, why posting it in #ubuntu+1 would be offtopic.  'because it is' isnt a good enough answer for me.
[17:28] <ompaul> braschahr1a!
[17:29] <ompaul> backports
[17:29] <ompaul> Pici, ^^
[17:31] <Pici> So its still on-topic?
[17:31] <ompaul> no
[17:31] <ompaul> composing an answer in channel
[17:33] <ompaul> Pici, hope that helps
[17:34] <ompaul> Pici, when replies for something like that is asked for - you can always put a space in there
[17:34] <Pici> ompaul: thanks, had a bit of writers block whilst composing a repsonse.
[17:34] <ompaul> time heals - instant replies are not good
[17:34] <ompaul> as we know :-/
[18:17] <anthony> j #ubuntu-ops-pvt
[19:21] <livingdaylight> is this the channel to speak about one's banned status?
[19:45] <ompaul> livingdaylight, ask
[19:45] <ompaul> where are you banned from
[19:46] <ompaul> and if we are slow to talk please allow a couple of minutes as we can be busy
[19:46] <livingdaylight> ompaul, hi, from #ubuntu and #ubuntu#offtopic
[19:46] <ompaul> Mark_G, how can we help you?
[19:46] <Mark_G> Just lerking.. thanks..
[19:46] <ompaul> livingdaylight, a moment please /me runs around
[19:46] <ompaul> Mark_G, please see the topic
[19:46] <ompaul> as in no lurking
[19:47] <Mark_G> ok.. see ya
[19:47] <livingdaylight> ompaul, sure, thank you
[19:48] <ompaul> livingdaylight, are you sure you are banned from -offtopic?
[19:48]  * livingdaylight checks
[19:48] <ompaul> in fact are you sure you are banned at all
[19:49] <livingdaylight> ompaul, yes, on both... its what XChat tell me when i attempt to join
[19:49] <ompaul> ohh
[19:49]  * ompaul goes to check
[19:50] <ompaul> livingdaylight, given the amount of times you were banned perhaps this may helpyou
[19:50] <ompaul> !guidelines
[19:50] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:50] <ompaul> I don't see you are being banned so let me check it out more
[19:52] <livingdaylight> ompaul, its been months now, if it helps :s I don't know how many times i've been banned, but a permanent ban doesn't seem warranted given my wrangle in ubuntu-offtopic with Pici
[19:53] <ompaul> the kirb step away from
[19:53] <ompaul> the amount of bans would indicate something
[19:53] <ompaul> livingdaylight, I am trying to balance about 5 things
[19:54] <livingdaylight> ompaul, no worries
[19:54] <ompaul> gime a couple of mins
[19:58] <ompaul> livingdaylight, please try to join #ubuntu
[19:58] <ompaul> I can't see how you are banned
[19:58] <ompaul> as for -ot I can see that but give a min on that
[19:59] <livingdaylight> ompaul, it still says: * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[19:59]  * ompaul can't find the ban in question
[19:59] <ompaul> either by IP or by nick
[20:00] <livingdaylight> ompaul, maybe someone did some voodoo
[20:00] <ompaul>  77 101
[20:00] <ompaul> I did and I found that
[20:00] <ompaul> but I want other stuff
[20:00] <ompaul> I can't find any  for ubuntu
[20:01] <ompaul> the voodoo was for -ot
[20:01] <livingdaylight> -ot?
[20:01] <ompaul> offtopic
[20:01] <livingdaylight> oh
[20:01] <ompaul> so that does not annoy me
[20:01] <ompaul> what annoys me is I can't find ya in -ot
[20:01] <ompaul> sorry
[20:02] <ompaul> in -ubuntu
[20:02] <livingdaylight> ompaul, maybe you can ask Pici` sometime when he's around
[20:02] <ompaul> I should be able to find this
[20:09] <ompaul> livingdaylight, check your pm
[20:23] <ompaul> ohh
[20:31] <ompaul> livingdaylight, you are sorted
[20:31] <ompaul> cheers
[20:32] <livingdaylight> ompaul, thank you
[20:46] <MrUnagi> ljl returned?
[20:48] <ompaul> I think he is gone for today - he ain't shown up at all
[20:48] <ompaul> it would be a bit late for him at this stage
[20:49] <MrUnagi> sigh
[20:50] <MrUnagi> can someone else review my case and decide whether to remove or when my ban might be removed?
[20:50] <ompaul> he was here most of the rest of the weekend
[20:50] <ompaul> he owns it you need to talk with him
[20:56] <MrUnagi> =/
[20:56] <MrUnagi> thanks for your help
[21:42] <ubotu> erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (bmw528i)
[21:43] <Gary> awww, I was about to test my cmute script
[21:57] <ompaul> Gary, you need to be faster :)
[21:58] <Gary> ompaul: well, I always hestitate a bit, due to not like being named on the access list
[21:58] <Gary> omg, I am typing essex stylee
[21:59] <ompaul> Gary, so, like, you like, if you are not named like, not to be too fast, like?
[22:00] <Gary> ummm
[22:00] <Gary> woteva
[22:01] <Seveas> Gary chav...
[22:02] <Gary> hehe
[22:03] <ompaul> Seveas, did you get the scroll back in -pvt?
[22:35] <mneptok> "essex style"
[22:35] <mneptok> oooo! far-off and exotic ESSEX!
[22:36] <mneptok> that's like ...  See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[23:22] <Amaranth> hmm, should change that
[23:22] <Amaranth> !automatix is <reply>Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[23:22] <ubotu> But automatix already means something else!
[23:23] <Amaranth> !no automatix is <reply>Automatix is no longer developed or supported by its creators and is not recommended, supported or needed by Ubuntu. See http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html and « /msg ubotu WorksForMe »
[23:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that Amaranth
[23:25] <mneptok> i *thought* i felt a disturbance in the Force.
[23:30]  * nalioth feels very bad for Pioneer Warrior
[23:30] <nalioth> Arnie, <snip>, currently are too involved in their personal lives  <<< and this is new?
[23:32] <mneptok> who TF steals the name for their new distro from the 1936 edition of "inspiring names for the people that are not insulting to Comrade Stalin?"