[00:00] <jmho> or how can I otherwise get to a shell prompt (in lucid) ?
[00:06] <AssociateX> I have a partition ext3 called storage. How can I give it read and write, no-execute to all my users?
[00:08] <Karhu> does anyone use xmms2 ? with a graphical front end ?
[00:10] <Karhu> or know of any nice ones ?
[00:14] <Soul_Sample_> i have just upgraded to kde 4.4 and it broke my pulseaudio server. regular sound works, but i cannot have multiple applications access the sound card. any solution is ok (fix pulse, or fix multiple sources)
[00:16] <Lars_G> what was the url for the 4.4 thingy?
[00:17] <Lars_G> Oj... topic
[00:17] <Lars_G> nvm
[00:30] <frando> Hey. I just updated my whole system, now I'm running 9.10 and kde sc 4.4. I am right now using the radeon opensource driver, i've got a mobility radeon hd 2600 card. glxinfo tellx me direct rendering "yes" but when I enable kwin desktop effects i just get some grey boxes on the screen.
[00:31] <frando> So my question: does kwin support compositing with radeon driver at all or do i have to use fglrx to get desktop effects?
[00:49] <vbgunz> I just upgraded to 4.4. isn't there supposed to be a new option to remove the shadow from the theme? oxygen still has a pesky non-modifable shadow on the window border. wasn't this fixed?
[00:49] <MWisBest> I recently tried to see if the virtuoso-server package bug was fixed (it wasn't) and now after uninstalling the whole virtuoso-server thing I have a cpu monitor up in the upper right corner of my screen. How do I get rid of it? I'm on Lucid.
[00:52] <vbgunz> got it
[00:52] <vbgunz> finally
[00:59] <AssociateX>  I have a partition ext3 called storage2, how do I set it up in fstab to mount rw -x for all users on this computer? Kind of like how /tmp works.  I have googled the heck out of this.
[00:59] <Goliath> v
[00:59] <Goliath> does anyone know where the smplayer icon is located?
[00:59] <vbgunz> anybody know why konversation after upgrading to 4.4 has random dots all throughout the titlebar area?
[01:15] <vbgunz> anybody have dual screen with nvidia binary drivers, do you have dots on your titlebar if you drag your window to the top? what could be causing this?
[01:15] <vbgunz> nepomuk after logging in, says, nepomuk not running. agent disabled. any solutions to anything above?
[01:17] <ToxinPowe> vbgunz: I don't have dots on my titlebar
[01:17] <ToxinPowe> dual screen+nvidia binary
[01:18] <vbgunz> hmm, I have dual screens with nvidias binary and on screen 1 I have konversation right under a top panel and dots are intermittingly showing up. if I move the window the dots move or multiply or disappear. any window I move to that area gets the dots in the border
[01:18] <vbgunz> I just upgraded to 4.4. this was not seen in 4.3
[01:19] <ToxinPowe> my setup is almost the same top panel and konversation on 4.4
[01:19] <ToxinPowe> I don't know sry :s
[01:20] <vbgunz> what about nepomuk? anybody know what happend on the upgrade to 4.4?
[01:20] <ToxinPowe> vbgunz: maybe with a fresh cfg, mv .kde .kde-OLD :m
[01:20] <vbgunz> nepomuk indexing agent have been disabled
[01:21] <vbgunz> ToxinPowe: yeah *but* damn, I really don't want to do that. too much counting on that folder :/
[01:22] <ToxinPowe> yep, but you can move old folders if works
[01:24] <vbgunz> performance regressed for me too. :/
[01:25] <vbgunz> im gonna try creating a new user and seeing what happens on that account
[01:28] <PenneitE> vbgunz: What method did you use to upgrade?
[01:30] <vbgunz> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade using the ppa backports
[01:30] <PenneitE> Okay, I was about to ask if these packages were safe to use
[01:30] <PenneitE> Do you think I should upgrade then?
[01:31] <PenneitE> Cause last time I tried to upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3 without waiting for the next release, I ended up regrettin it, too
[01:31] <ToxinPowe> I update 2pcs, only 1 problem for know, with spanish keyboards
[01:32] <vbgunz> gonna try something
[01:32] <PenneitE> Plus it looks like the backports PPA is still having packages built right now
[01:32] <PenneitE> *building
[01:34] <ToxinPowe> bye
[01:35] <whirleystar> aaackk!  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/qvfb', which is also in package qt-x11-free-dbg 3:3.3.8-b-5ubuntu3
[01:36] <whirleystar> upgrading to 4.4 and i get above... i forget, how do you force overwrite?
[01:39] <PenneitE> I'd like to know, too
[01:39] <whirleystar> haha... i sounded like Cathy..... output is here: http://pastebin.com/m7f555872
[01:54] <whirleystar> hmm.. after reading around --force-overwrite may not be the smart (or even right) thing to do.... anyone have any advice? (http://pastebin.com/m7f555872)
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> the only thing bad that would happen is that using the dbg symbols to get backtraces for Qt3 apps wouldn't work
[01:57] <whirleystar> JontheEchidna: sounds expendable... thanks
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> the correct thing for the packagers to do to correct this issue is to just make these packages conflict each other
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> well, speaking as on of them that's my position :P
[02:35] <daskreech> !info rekonq lucid
[02:36] <satepc> Can someone send me the packaging link for 4.4 kde kubuntu process?
[02:40] <ansong> i'm sure this is an easy question but i haven't found an answer yet: i can't right click my desktop and get a menu anymore. i can right click files in dolphin, etc. just not the desktop
[02:40] <ansong> just updated to 4.4
[02:44] <ansong> hello?
[02:47] <satepc> I don't think 4.4 is ready yet
[02:48] <ansong> can anyone else not right click their desktop anymore?
[02:50] <ansong> ok, seems to be solved by checking "different activity for each desktop" under system settings / desktop / multiple desktops
[02:50] <ansong> what an intuitive spot to put that
[02:51] <daskreech> ansong: you probably disabled all the menu plugins
[02:51] <ansong> i probably should have renamed .kde before upgrading
[02:51] <ansong> where would i have done that?
[02:52] <daskreech> My memory might be bad but by right clicking on the Desktop :)
[02:52] <satepc> kde 4.4 isn't ready for kubuntu I though
[02:52] <satepc> t
[02:53] <daskreech> satepc: good thing is that you don't need to use it :)
[02:53] <ansong> lol, then i'm pretty sure it wasn't me. i didn't get anything right clicking the desktop
[02:53] <ansong> what issues have you found satepc?
[02:53] <satepc> daskreech:  any idea when it will be ready for kubuntu
[02:53] <satepc> I haven't installed it yet ansong
[02:53] <ansong> the looks have gotten better every time at  least
[02:54] <satepc> Wanna show a screenshot :p
[02:54] <ansong> srslly?
[02:54] <daskreech> satepc: Look in the topic :)
[02:54] <satepc> What topic?
[02:55] <daskreech> the one you get by typing /topic
[02:55] <satepc> ah
[02:55] <ansong> chat in offtopic? oops
[02:55] <satepc> how do you install it?
[02:55] <daskreech> satepc: http://www.kubuntu.org
[02:56] <ansong> i followed the directions on that site. didn't take too long.
[02:56] <ansong> i'll head into offtopic now
[02:57] <satepc> Im not on irc for links, I'm here for real time help
[03:01] <ansong> what's the issue you're having satepc?
[03:01] <satepc> I'm just trying to figure out how to install kde4.4
[03:01] <satepc> I have 4.3
[03:02] <jadamcze> satepc: Add the kubuntu backports ppa, install updated packages.
[03:02] <ansong> what he said
[03:05] <satepc> Yup got it working now
[03:06] <satepc> wow kubuntu worked all day getting this packaged
[03:09] <satepc> Now what ansong just reboot?
[03:09] <tsimpson> you don't need to reboot, just logout and back in again
[03:13] <satepc> I logged out, but what is different?
[03:13] <tsimpson> open a KDE app, go to Help -> About KDE, look at the version
[03:14] <satepc> 4.35
[03:15] <ansong> did you use the kpackagekit or a aptitude / apt-get on the command line?
[03:15] <tsimpson> you haven't upgraded then, open your package manager and upgrade or use "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[03:16] <ansong> the dist-upgrade was necessary. i forgot and just ran upgrade which updated a lot but didn't go all the way
[03:19] <satepc> koackage
[03:25] <satepc> ummm
[03:25] <satepc> I rebooted, its still saying 4.4
[03:25] <satepc> i checked kb3 app
[03:26] <satepc> 4.3*
[03:29] <kde185> quick question: how do I close applications when using kde 4.4 with the plasma netbook shell
[03:30] <kde185> meh I guess I can just try and figure it out
[03:50] <Izinucs> YeeeeHaa.. I just got Twinkle to connect to my office PBX.. cool kde app
[03:51] <pushax> hi all.  Can someone tell me the device name for Pulseaudio?  I ahve xvidcaputre and I want to capture audio but don't knwo the device name it asks.  I looked in /dev and no find
[04:03] <jschall> what, we have this dumbass indicator applet thing on kubuntu now? how do i ditch it? it followed me all the way from gnome, apparently.
[04:03] <jschall> oops, i just deleted my panel.
[04:20] <tallen> i cant find anyone else with this problem: after installing kde4.4 from the karmic-backports ppa it no longer boots into kde.  Ctrl+Alt+F1 is scrambled also.
[04:20] <tallen> Ctrl+Alt+F7 shows a black screen with the cursor and a messagebox about unable to load the oxygen theme...
[04:21] <tallen> i also apt-get remove'd kde (as best i could) and re-installed 4.4
[04:22] <jschall> what causes "blocked updates?"
[04:23] <tallen> jschall: many things...unmet dependencies (ie broken packages, missing apt sources, etc) for one
[04:36] <darthanubis> thx for the 4.4
[04:36] <darthanubis> those upgrading don't discard the beta ppa just yet
[04:36] <darthanubis> still depends in there you need
[04:43] <vbgunz> I have a list of packages for apt-get or aptitude. I need to remove packages from this list that will automatically be installed. how do I go about that?
[04:45] <scunizi> vbgunz: since you posted in 2 channels.. I'll bite.. are you talking about an update?
[04:46] <vbgunz> scunizi: I have a list of packages I originally got from dpkg --get-selections. thing is, its huge. 664 packages. I know some if not most of those packages are dependencies. I want to filter that list into a readable list of packages. otherwise it is cryptic
[04:46] <vbgunz> I am just trying to filter out the names of packages in that list that are automatically going to be installed based in another package actually depending on it
[04:47] <scunizi> vbgunz: what was the original intent.. to list all the main packages?
[04:47] <vbgunz> for example: libssl-dev Depends zlib1g-dev ... so remove libssl-dev from that long list
[04:48] <vbgunz> scunizi: pretty much. only show the main packages.
[04:48] <scunizi> ah.. ok.. do you have to do this via dpkg or would you be willing to get that list in a different fashion?
[04:49] <vbgunz> scunizi: I already got the list but other than that, I am cool with whatever works :)
[04:49] <vbgunz> what do you have in mind?
[04:50] <scunizi> ok.. there's a web page that shows all the main packages broken down by repo ie Main, backports, by release version etc.. packages.ubuntu.com
[04:50] <F40PH> !ops
[04:50] <vbgunz> I should have a list just like that in text form I believe on my very system. I don't know where it is or what its called :/
[04:51] <genii> F40PH: Don't do that
[04:51] <F40PH> !ops
[04:51] <F40PH> i just did
[04:51] <F40PH> !ops
[04:51] <rumpsy> Wat for
[04:51] <scunizi> vbgunz: possibly but I don't either.. perhaps in /etc/apt but I'm guessing
[04:52] <scunizi> vbgunz: maybe sudo updatedb and then locate *.deb
[04:53] <vbgunz> I can find the debs :(
[04:54] <vbgunz> scunizi: thanks for trying to help. I wish dpkg was smart enough to figure it out
[04:54] <scunizi> vbgunz: have you "man dpkg" 'd yet?.. (wish hope and a prayer)
[04:55] <vbgunz> no, using --get-selections is what I am referring too. im in it now, though I am betting its not there. I tried this before and failed
[04:58] <darthanubis> nepomuk keeps stopping after login
[05:02] <scunizi> vbgunz: I'm checking on #linux .. you've got my curiosity up :)
[05:03] <harolddo1g> anybody had a problem booting after installing 4.4?
[05:03] <vbgunz> scunizi: apt-cache has some good stuff
[05:03] <vbgunz> apt-cache dump is looking promising
[05:03] <scunizi> vbgunz: there's got to be more "switches" to narrow it down
[05:04] <vbgunz> yeah, be sweet I can get a python dictionary out of the deal ;)
[05:05] <vbgunz> scunizi: hmm, apt-cache is really looking up right now
[05:05] <vbgunz> thanks you for your interest. worse comes to worse, I'll try parsing some of this stuff
[05:05] <Kage> Night all!
[05:05] <scunizi> this is the fun stuff
[05:06] <vbgunz> scunizi:  it appears apt-cache depends <my list of packages> will get me a good list to start parsing. im anxious. going to reinvent a wheel or two :)
[05:07] <tsimpson> why do you need to prune the list?
[05:08] <scunizi> vbgunz: check out dpkg -l \* | grep '^[^i]i'
[05:09] <tsimpson> you don't need the '*', "dpkg -l|egrep '^ii'" will work
[05:09] <vbgunz> scunizi: nothing
[05:09] <vbgunz> I just piped apt-cache depends <mylist> to a file and am checking that out quick
[05:10] <scunizi> tsimpson: we're trying to get a list of packages available without the dependancies associated with them.. is that the right way?
[05:10] <tsimpson> scunizi: my question is, why is that needed?
[05:10] <tsimpson> "dpk -l|egrep '^ii'" lists _all_ installed packages
[05:11] <scunizi> tsimpson: not sure but that's what vbgunz is trying to do
[05:11] <scunizi> tsimpson: I think he want a list of the repo packages available... main packages without dependancies
[05:12] <tsimpson> if you just want a list of default packages, look at the dependencies of ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard, and kubuntu-desktop
[05:12] <scunizi> tsimpson: where do you find that list
[05:13] <vbgunz> tsimpson: that is not the list I am looking for
[05:14] <tsimpson> scunizi: either "apt-cache show <package>" or "apt-cache depends <package>"
[05:14] <tsimpson> vbgunz: so what are you trying to do exactly?
[05:15] <vbgunz> tsimpson: I could be far off. kubuntu has or had or damn I couldn't find it a way to let me know my own downloading history. some times I download packages that have many dependencies. if I remember to remove the package the dependencies go. thats fine. but over the span of about 3 years. whoa. too many. its nuts :(
[05:16] <scunizi> vbgunz: apt-get autoremove or autoclean
[05:16] <tsimpson> !deborphan
[05:16] <vbgunz> so I am just trying to filter a long list I got from dpkg-selections into a list of main packages in which I know I installed or know I need. its hard running through 664 packages atm... I would like to filter it down even further
[05:16] <tsimpson> you can use deborphan to remove packages that nothing depends on
[05:16] <bobbob1016> I added backports, did apt-get update, but I get a lot of unresolvable dependencies, is tehere another repo to add?
[05:16] <bobbob1016> there*
[05:16] <scunizi> tsimpson: that's a new one for me.. never knew that existed.. thanks
[05:16] <vbgunz> scunizi: autoclean autoremove are awesome. when you know the main packahe you're removing. my case is about 3 years of cli apps, etc
[05:17] <scunizi> vbgunz: I use it on occation and it seems to clean things that are no longer needed.. dependancies and such.. perhaps deborphan will work for you as tsimpson suggested.
[05:18] <tsimpson> just be careful not to remove anything you're not sure about
[05:18] <tsimpson> if it starts with "lib", "linux", "ubuntu" or "kubuntu", leave it :)
[05:19] <vbgunz> scunizi: deborphan not really. kubuntu already does most of it. my issue is not in finding the packages I have installed *but* filtering a list of packages I have that I haven't even installed yet
[05:19] <scunizi> with deborphan? .. if it's orphaned then shouldn't it have no other packages dependant on it?
[05:19] <vbgunz> scunizi: the list of packages I have are not installed
[05:19] <vbgunz> i am going through this list to run it through apt-get
[05:19] <scunizi> k
[05:20] <vbgunz> I think I can parse the apt-cache depends list enough for me to do what needs to be done
[05:20] <tsimpson> vbgunz: use something like
[05:20] <tsimpson> while read pkg; do dpkg -l|egrep '^ii'|grep -q $pkg || echo "You need to install $pkg";done < my_package_list
[05:21] <vbgunz> tsimpson: hold up. too much cli-fu right there atm
[05:21] <vbgunz> :)
[05:21] <harolddo1g> what are the computer visionn libraries (libcv1, livcvaux1 & libhighgui1) for and why did they get pulled in when I did a dist-upgrade?
[05:22] <tsimpson> or: dpkg -l|egrep '^ii'|awk '{print $2}' > installed; while read pkg; do egrep -q "^$pkg$" installed || echo "$pkg"
[05:23] <tsimpson> vbgunz: "dpkg -l|egrep '^ii' > installed" dumps your installed packages to a file called "installed"
[05:23] <scunizi> harolddo1g: dist-upgrade pulls in new version of available packages
[05:24] <tsimpson> vbgunz: "while read pkg; do egrep -q "^$pkg$" installed || echo "$pkg" < wanted_packages" will read each line from "wanted_packages" and check for that line in "installed", if it's not there it'll print out the line (package)
[05:24] <tsimpson> bash is fun :)
[05:24] <vbgunz> yeah you got the fu ;)
[05:24] <harolddo1g> yeah these packages weren't installed before though. I'm wondering if it has something to with the fact that I cant get a login screen after upgrading to 4.4
[05:25] <scunizi> harolddo1g: perhaps.. reboot to find out :)
[05:25] <harolddo1g> I've done that a few times now
[05:26] <harolddo1g> funny thing is right after installing 4.4 I could get a login screen, just garbled graphics.  then dist-upgrade pulled in these computer vision libs.  now aptitude update is wanting to remove them
[05:27] <harolddo1g> *I mean right after installing 4.4 I COULDN'T get a loginn screen
[05:27] <harolddo1g> nobody has had a problem with 4.4 like that?
[05:27] <harolddo1g> hmmm
[05:30] <bobbob1016> harolddo1g, What repos did you use?
[05:31] <harolddo1g> kubuntu-ppa backports repo
[05:32] <bobbob1016> harolddo1g, Because I have the same repo and I'm getting unresolved dependencies
[05:33] <harolddo1g> yeah me too kdeartwork and kdetoys won't fully update for me.  BUt that wouldn't effect the boot would it?
[05:35] <harolddo1g> I can boot into the recovery mode and then just choose continue regular to get to a console login... but if I just try and do a regular boot the screen glitches out before it evenn gets to the login screen so I can't even choose console login
[05:35] <bobbob1016> harolddo1g, I think your booting is a different issue.  KDE has nothing to do with "booting" as such, it is just a gui.  Hard to explain.  Do you see your bios screen?  Then Grub or your bootloader?  Then any linux screen?
[05:38] <harolddo1g> bootloader shows up fine.  the problem has got to be with one of the packages I just updated, which were all kde packages. As I said once go through recovery I can console login just, like I'm doing now, but as soon as the grapical elements try and run it glitches out
[05:40] <harolddo1g> how do you reconfigure the xserver on karmic?
[05:40] <bretzel> My god! KDE 4.4.0 from backport screwed ALL apt!!! cannot do any updates anymore!
[05:41] <harolddo1g> is there another source for 4.4 besides the backports repo?
[05:42] <bretzel> /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs5_4%3a4.4.0-0ubuntu1~karmic1~ppa1_i386.deb brokes I relly need kdelibs and -dev
[05:42] <jadamcze> bretzel: have you tried -f with apt-get ?
[05:43] <harolddo1g> the dependency problems with the 4.4 backports repo seems to boil down the packages wanting a different version of libkscreensaver than is available. without it kdeartwork and kdetoys won't update
[05:43] <bretzel> yes that's what showed the error above
[05:44] <bretzel> harol... : seems more than just libkscreensaver and kopte! LOTS of pkg are screwed
[05:45] <bretzel> I even did ( useless ) apt-get upgrade -f
[05:46] <harolddo1g> well I assumed somethinng was really wrong with it somewhere since updating to it ruined my ability to login graphically
[05:49] <bretzel> Kubuntu admins/dev got horribly too fast and really screwed up our kde systems!
[05:49] <bretzel> I am in a very stressed project development and I will have to wipeout Kubuntu isntallation!
[05:53] <FeasibilityStudy> I am trying to update KDE via the ppa.  However I am getting 54 blocked updates.  I tried installing these yesterday and borked my system.  Is there anything I should do to install this? or should I just disable the ppa?
[05:53] <darthanubis> you not use kpagageit
[05:53] <darthanubis> it is terrible
[05:53] <darthanubis> use synaptic
[05:53] <FeasibilityStudy> im not
[05:54] <darthanubis> or the cli
[05:54] <FeasibilityStudy> I am using aptitude
[05:54] <darthanubis> wow
[05:54] <darthanubis> well I used synaptic and running 4.4 right now perfectly
[05:54] <FeasibilityStudy> you didn't have blocked updates?
[05:54] <darthanubis> I know I know, I would have perfererred not to install synaptic but it is the best thing going
[05:54] <darthanubis> no
[05:55] <darthanubis> I had the beta ppa and then added the backports ppa
[05:55] <darthanubis> thy both must be enabled
[05:55] <darthanubis> they
[05:56] <FeasibilityStudy> Here is how I have the Kubuntu-ppa-backports in my sources.list:
[05:56] <FeasibilityStudy> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[05:56] <FeasibilityStudy>
[05:57] <FeasibilityStudy> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main
[05:57] <darthanubis> yeah I don't manually edit my source.list
[05:57] <darthanubis> no need to
[05:57] <FeasibilityStudy> is that correct?
[05:57] <darthanubis> looks fine
[05:57] <FeasibilityStudy> well I am getting 54 blocked updates
[05:58] <FeasibilityStudy> ands that is what screwed me up yesterday..So obviously I am doing something wrong
[05:58] <darthanubis> what does apt-get dsy?
[05:58] <darthanubis> say?
[05:58] <FeasibilityStudy> also I have the regular kubuntu backports enabled as well.
[05:58] <darthanubis> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:58] <FireCrotch> do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade to get the latest kde
[05:59] <FireCrotch> the updates are blocked because they require the installation of some new packages, not just upgrades of older ones
[05:59] <FeasibilityStudy> ok thats it..
[05:59] <FeasibilityStudy> DUH
[05:59] <FeasibilityStudy> thanks fire
[05:59] <darthanubis> knew it
[05:59] <FeasibilityStudy> I was just trying to upgrade
[05:59] <darthanubis> thats why I said skip aptitude
[05:59] <FireCrotch> I hate the new way of choosing plasma widgets
[06:00] <darthanubis> me too
[06:00] <FireCrotch> is there a way to get back the old dialog-based system?
[06:00] <FeasibilityStudy> i guess I will find out when it installs..  Overall I hope it is better
[06:01] <FireCrotch> ooo there's a pidgin plasmoid now
[06:02] <FireCrotch> oh wait thats not useful at all
[06:02] <FireCrotch> at least not on my laptop
[06:02] <Guest43621> asl
[06:03] <Guest43621> asl
[06:06] <darthanubis>  ooo there's a pidgin plasmoid now???
[06:06] <FireCrotch> well this does not bode well... kdeinit4 just segfaulted on me
[06:08] <FeasibilityStudy> ok im done installing.. Going to logout.  :::Crosses fingers:::
[06:29] <naught101> what's the equivalent of kdebase-dev for kde3? I'm trying to compile a qt3 app (kxmleditor) and all it tells me is onfigure: error: Can't find X includes.
[06:51] <rethus> how can i start firestarter as root without enter a password at kde-boottime?
[07:01] <FeasibilityStudy> rethus: get rid of firestarter and use ufw/gufw
[07:02] <rethus> i like firestarter, has a nice - quite easy gui
[07:02] <rethus> and overview of all access attempts
[07:03] <rethus> but did u know how i can start a programm as root without every startup to enter the passwd?
[07:15] <pucko-> is it only me that get a dependency problem with kdeartwork sc 4.4 not installing (it wants kscreensaver 4:4.4.0a, but only 4:4.4.0 is available)
[07:15] <pucko-> ?
[07:17] <e_t_> After the upgrade to 4.4, my virtual terminals are invisible. I think it's something to do with kdm. Is there a fix for it?
[07:20] <pucko-> e_t_, probably in kdmrc as you said. I noticed that it removed the line "ConsoleTTYs=tty1,tty2,tty3,tty4,tty5,tty6" from mine during upgrade.
[07:20] <pucko-> you should probably have a kdmrc.dpkg-old in there so you can check what it changed
[07:21] <e_t_> where would I find that>
[07:21] <e_t_> ?
[07:21] <pucko-> in /etc/kde4/kdm
[07:22] <pucko-> e_t_, were you able to install kdeartwork (or kscreensaver) in your upgrade?
[07:22] <e_t_> No. Aptitude wanted to downgrade it to 4.3.4
[07:22] <pucko-> ok
[07:23] <harolddo1g> libkscreensaver is the wrong version I have the same problem
[07:23] <e_t_> kdmrc and kdmrc.dpkg-old are substantially identical for me.
[07:24] <harolddo1g> Could a kdmrc problem also be the reason my machine won't boot to a graphical login since updating to 4.4?
[07:25] <pucko-> oh, I have to very different kdmrc files there.
[07:25] <e_t_> harolddo1g: you've probably got the same problem I have. Can you see anything in your virtual terminals?
[07:26] <pucko-> but I guess it added mostly comments
[07:27] <harolddo1g> I can do a console login if I go through the recovery option in the boot menu and terminals work
[07:29] <e_t_> When Kubuntu loads, the bar scrolls across the screen, the screen goes crazy with colors, then black. Then I get the spinning cursor, a flash of crazy color and I see the login screen for a second. From then on, I see only a blinking cursor, but if I type my password, it will begin logging in. Weird.
[07:31] <harolddo1g> yeah I get the weird colors.  it looks like an 8bit videgame gltch or something. I dont get the login for a moment like you do though.. I havent tried just typing the pass to see what happens
[07:33] <e_t_> Once I'm logged in, everything works wonderfully.
[07:35] <harolddo1g> guess I could try just typing my password
[07:38] <jschall> i'm trying to install 4.4 and a whole bunch of packages were "kept back"
[07:38] <jschall> this is getting really annoying and i wish it would explain why packages are being kept back.
[07:39] <darthanubis> jschall: use apt-get
[07:39] <jschall> so now a bunch of stuff is broken
[07:39] <darthanubis> jschall: because you have no idea what you are doing
[07:39] <jschall> darthanubis: i was using apt-get initially and it kept packages back so now i'm trying aptitude
[07:39] <darthanubis> don't blame others
[07:39] <darthanubis> use apt-get
[07:39] <darthanubis> sudo apt-get dusit-upgrade
[07:39] <jschall> darthanubis: ok, how?
[07:39] <darthanubis> did you do that?
[07:39] <jschall> there we go
[07:39] <darthanubis> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:39] <jschall> cool, thanks!
[07:40] <darthanubis> sheesh
[07:40] <jussi01> darthanubis: keep it friendly please. :)
[07:40] <darthanubis> np
[07:40] <darthanubis> you tell me to keep it friendly. I thought help was considered friendly?
[07:40] <jschall> i'm not blaming anyone. if it had a damn hint that said (try dist-upgrade) or something it would be a lot nicer
[07:40] <jschall> but it is my fault for not knowing that
[07:40] <darthanubis> jussi01: he was the one getting ready to rip your community a new one
[07:43] <jschall> darthanubis: i have no problem taking responsibility for not knowing why free software works, and i have no problem politely helping others with their issues when i know how.
[07:43] <jschall> by the way, why does aptitude behave differently from apt-get?
[07:44] <darthanubis> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/apt-get-vs.-aptitude-363365/
[07:45] <darthanubis> http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/
[07:46] <darthanubis> jussi01: s the ops have my name on pounce huh?
[07:47] <jussi01> darthanubis: none as far as I know, I just noticed you telling a user "because you have no idea what you are doing" which didnt seem overly friendly to me.
[07:47] <darthanubis> hmph. I suposse.
[07:48] <darthanubis> jschall: I have anger management issues. Nothing personal.
[07:53] <vbgunz> anyone know whtss up with the KDE 4.4 nepomuk indexing agent being disabled at start up?
[07:57] <harolddong> does the tag database actually work for anybody yet in 4.4?
[07:59] <Bonst4r> strigi even works yet?
[08:01] <harolddong> nepomuk strigi was actually working fine in 4.3 if you set it up with the sesame backend. tagging and search were slow but usable. since they have gone to 4.4 and virtuso it's been pretty screwed
[08:01] <vbgunz> hmm. seems KDE 4.4 in Kubuntu is more beta than stable. runner just crashed. konsole just froze. effects are badly shot. window grouping sort of breaks the entire group :/
[08:02] <vbgunz> I applaud the devs for trying hard to stay as up to date as possible and as fast as possible but 4.4 seems really borked :(
[08:02] <harolddong> you get tagging to work fine but I havent been able to get the search to recognize the tag database since vituoso so its useless
[08:03] <Bonst4r> loLs best not to try to hard
[08:04] <jussi01> vbgunz: its in a PPA, you run it at your own risk ;) I assume you have restarted kde since the update?
[08:04] <harolddong> its one of the coolest new kde features it's frustrating that they just can't get it to work
[08:04] <vbgunz> yeah several times I rebooted. usually I trust the ppa but I guess on something this big well, probably wasn
[08:04] <vbgunz> the brightest idea*
[08:05] <jussi01> vbgunz: pop into #kubuntu-devel and let them know the issues, Im sure theyll try fix them if they can.
[08:06] <darthanubis> vbgunz: http://socceroosd.blogspot.com/2010/02/kubuntu-karmic-kde-44-and-nepomuk.html
[08:06] <crissi> hello. when kde 4.4.0 packages will be available for jaunty (http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu)?
[08:06] <vbgunz> jussi01: what is frightening is, almost everything is broken and this was pretty much a clean upgrade from 9.10.
[08:06] <darthanubis> it works fine
[08:07] <darthanubis> nothing is broken
[08:07] <darthanubis> it is all user error
[08:07] <darthanubis> relax
[08:07] <jussi01> darthanubis: again, not so friendly ;)
[08:07] <darthanubis> matter of opinion I guess
[08:08] <darthanubis> I'd find it friendly to know my software was not garbage, and that I was overlooking something
[08:08] <darthanubis> Something I could fix and was given a link to by some anonymous who did not have to
[08:08] <darthanubis> i find that extremely friendly
[08:09] <darthanubis> I don't talk down to peopel
[08:09] <darthanubis> seems to the ubuntu way is to assume people are idiots with the emotional maturity level of 12yr olds
[08:10] <vbgunz> darthanubis: no joke. im not kidding. I just did a fresh install of the root partition. updated, dist-upgraded, enabled the ppa, did another update and dist-upgrade. so many things are broken. I been using k/ubuntu for years. this is pretty much out of the box experience. so many things aren't working like they should. just doesn't seem stable. more beta if anything :(
[08:10] <darthanubis> but, that is a matter of opinion as well
[08:10] <darthanubis> vbgunz: that is strange
[08:11] <darthanubis> vbgunz: I just upgraded from RC2 a few hours ago, and all is stable
[08:11] <vbgunz> im gonna try that virtuoso walkthrough from the blog link
[08:11] <darthanubis> jussi01: see, he is not crying. Why don't you at least wait til someone is offended?
[08:12] <fincan> hello, I have a problem with amarok after upgrading to 4.4, whenever I start the amarok, it crashes and I read a solution that I should disable aoutamtic cover fetching but how can I disable it?
[08:12] <darthanubis> vbgunz: it is really just a matter of deleting the nepomuk folder
[08:12] <darthanubis> but since you clean installed that should not be an issue
[08:12] <darthanubis> fincan: it is in the options of course
[08:13] <fincan> darthanubis: in amarok?
[08:13] <darthanubis> thats what you asked about?
[08:14] <darthanubis> the options of the discussed program yes
[08:14] <fincan> darthanubis: but amarok craches too fast before I can reach options :)
[08:14] <darthanubis> not that sucks
[08:14] <darthanubis> now
[08:14] <darthanubis> delete amaroks folder
[08:15] <vbgunz> gonna try and see whats up, brb
[08:17] <darthanubis> amarok no longer plays sound
[08:17] <Bonst4r> make some noise
[08:18] <darthanubis> weird neither is juk
[08:18] <darthanubis> what did I do?
[08:19] <sheytan> HI there. I've got kubuntu backports ppa, and it shows  me that i've got 78updates  and 55 blocked updates of KDE 4.4. What should i do?
[08:19] <Bonst4r> dist-upgrade?
[08:20] <vbgunz> still get the nepomuk agent disabled notification. following the steps on the blog and trying to mv the nepomuk folder into a backup.
[08:20] <sheytan> Bonst4r should I?
[08:20] <Bonst4r> yea
[08:20] <Bonst4r> update then dist-upgrade
[08:21] <darthanubis> vbgunz: I persobnally scraped the whole neomuk dir
[08:21] <sheytan> Ok, it will not broke anything?:D
[08:21] <Bonst4r> dont think so
[08:21] <darthanubis> there are no guarantees
[08:21] <darthanubis> but it is how ppl are upgrading
[08:21] <sheytan> OK, will try ;)
[08:22] <Bonst4r> well
[08:22] <Bonst4r> i removed the betas and rc 1st
[08:22] <Bonst4r> then installed the final
[08:22] <Bonst4r> just in case
[08:22] <sheytan> I've got 4.3.5 now ;)
[08:23] <vbgunz> darthanubis: rather than scrap the I pretty much moved it out of there
[08:23] <vbgunz> didn't want to just delete it
[08:23] <darthanubis> it will be rebuilt anyway
[08:23] <darthanubis> you don't have anything in it with a clean install
[08:23] <vbgunz> darthanubis: I am still using my home directory
[08:24] <darthanubis> has nothign to do with your home dir
[08:24] <darthanubis> the db will be rebuilt
[08:24] <FeasibilityStudy> darthanubis: do you happen to post over at BBR forums?
[08:24] <vbgunz> you're talking about the ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk folder? thats carried over from my old install as it sits in my home dir
[08:25] <darthanubis> FeasibilityStudy: yes
[08:25] <FeasibilityStudy> darthanubis: so do I ;)
[08:25] <darthanubis> vbgunz: i c
[08:25] <daskreech> vbgunz: you fixed something earlier
[08:25] <darthanubis> FeasibilityStudy: ;) How did you find me :-P
[08:25] <FeasibilityStudy> stalking it's a challenge, but rewarding. ;)
[08:26] <vbgunz> daskreech: ?
[08:26] <daskreech> vbgunz: How did you do it?
[08:26] <daskreech> vbgunz: Sorry 3:30 am here
[08:26] <vbgunz> daskreech: what did I fix?
[08:26] <FeasibilityStudy> I like 4.4 pretty well.  One thing that is annoying is how to get icons onto the Desktop folder
[08:27] <daskreech> You had said you were looking to fix something then you said never mind I found it and left
[08:27] <daskreech> Didn't get a chance to ask where the setting was
[08:27] <daskreech> Shadow or something?
[08:27] <vbgunz> usually I post my findings. I wish I could remember :/
[08:27] <vbgunz> I'll check my logs
[08:27] <ubuntuku> just upgraded to 4.4, but kdeartwork kscreensaver seems to be broken
[08:28] <vbgunz> ubuntuku: watch out, that could be a matter of opinion ;)
[08:28] <ubuntuku> :)
[08:28] <daskreech> FeasibilityStudy: How do get them there?
[08:29] <ubuntuku> did you get those packages working?
[08:29] <daskreech> FeasibilityStudy: You mean to overlay an image on the Desktop Folder in Dolphin? Or get things to turn up as iconson the Desktop ?
[08:30] <vbgunz> man. I am using konversation and stumbled on a real subtle bug or something. I am running through my logs and the find next and find previous buttons have sort of swapped meaning :/
[08:30] <FeasibilityStudy> daskreech: in 4.3 I could go to my menu and drag and drop an icon into the "folder view" on dsktop
[08:30] <FeasibilityStudy> now I cant
[08:30] <daskreech> FeasibilityStudy: Menu as in KDE app menu?
[08:31] <FeasibilityStudy> menu as in start menu
[08:31] <FeasibilityStudy> bottom left of screen
[08:31] <daskreech> FeasibilityStudy: Huh. Never tried that. But it should create a .desktop file if it does work
[08:31] <vbgunz> daskreech: found it
[08:32] <vbgunz> daskreech: the shadow around the windows can now be modified in 4.4. in other words you can even turn them off. I been waiting for that forever :)
[08:32] <vbgunz> daskreech: systemsettings > window (something like that ;)
[08:33] <vbgunz> is their a prerequisite when using nvidia binaries directly from nvidia? am I suppposed to install the modalias packages anyway?
[08:33] <daskreech> I'd guess no. You just manage the mods to the kernel yourself
[08:34] <vbgunz> daskreech: yeah, effects performance took a hit in 4.4. I really thought performance was going to be the other way around squeezing more juice out my card
[08:34] <vbgunz> heh
[08:34] <vbgunz> hmm
[08:35] <daskreech> vbgunz: System Settings -> Appearance -> Windows -> Shadows ?
[08:35] <vbgunz> daskreech: not sure, I can look again
[08:35] <vbgunz> daskreech: yup
[08:35] <vbgunz> man, I am so glad for that
[08:36] <vbgunz> the shadows were too thick, I really hated them
[08:36] <vbgunz> what is the kubuntu devel channel?
[08:36] <vbgunz> got it
[08:38] <daskreech> vbgunz: :-D
[08:38] <daskreech> #kubuntu-devel
[08:39] <vbgunz> :)
[08:39] <vbgunz> figure I go in there and ask if somebody want to figure out my window grouping bug
[08:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: please use apt-get dist-upgrade to do that sort of upgrades
[08:43] <apachelogger> sheytan: also what happenes when you run ... sudo apt-get install kdegraphics-strigi-plugins
[08:43] <sheytan> apachelogger i think there's something wrong with my sources.list. First i'll restore the oryginal one, then will try it :) Give me a minute ;)
[08:44] <rethus>  i i want to sign a mail with kmail, i got the error: wrong phraraphrase anyone know why? i didn't be asked for a paraphrase1
[08:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: kk, the blockage of kscreensaver I already uploaded a fix for, just waiting for it to build
[08:45] <apachelogger> actually it is alrady built for i386, just waiting for amd64 :)
[08:45] <sheytan> apachelogger It always was so: Some updates were blocked, but after some time, i did refresh and it was all ok.
[08:46] <apachelogger> yeah, because we silently resolved the issues :P
[08:46] <apachelogger> thought I think that they should not have been there to begin with *shrug*
[08:46] <sheytan> apachelogger :D
[08:47] <vbgunz> im glad plain tabs made it back into the gui
[08:51] <gunsofbrixton> am I the only one getting 4.4 from the repos veeery slowly? :)
[08:52] <Bonst4r> guess so
[08:52] <Bonst4r> took about 3mins
[08:52] <gunsofbrixton> Bonst4r: uhm interesting... wonder why, oh well, I'll just wait 22 more days till it's done downloading
[08:54] <rethus>  i i want to sign a mail with kmail, i got the error: wrong phraraphrase anyone know why? i didn't be asked for a paraphrase1
[08:54] <sheytan> apachelogger I've got the default sources.list only added backports. Now it shows me 91 updates, and 43 blocked
[08:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: in apt-get?
[08:55] <sheytan> apachelogger  like before :)
[08:55] <apachelogger> so try that install kdegraphics-strigi-plugins command :P
[08:57] <sheytan> apachelogger http://pastebin.com/m674c7e45
[08:58] <apachelogger> uhm
[08:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah, kipi-plugins is an evil boy
[08:59] <sheytan> should i remove it?
[08:59] <apachelogger> no
[08:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: kscreensaver should be unblocked already ... the other 2 can be ignored for now
[08:59] <apachelogger> I'll try to get the kipi mess sorted soonish
[08:59] <apachelogger> sheytan: what version of digikam do you have installed
[09:00] <apachelogger> dpkg -s digikam | grep Version
[09:00] <sheytan> apachelogger Version: 2:1.1.0-karmic~ppa1
[09:00] <apachelogger> kthx
[09:01] <vbgunz> need to test dual screens
[09:02] <harolddong> kipi-plugins has been a block update since th rc's. is there a source for a correct version of it and digikam?
[09:03] <sheytan> apachelogger So should i wait with upgrading to 4.4 until you fix it? :)
[09:03] <apachelogger> nah
[09:03] <apachelogger> should not cause any troubles
[09:04] <apachelogger> sheytan: what version of kipi-plugins do you have?
[09:05]  * apachelogger notes that there is no trace of the stated digikam version ... so no idea where that came from
[09:05] <sheytan> apachelogger Version: 1.1.0-karmic~ppa1
[09:05] <sheytan> apachelogger digikam if from someone's ppa. It's not karmic's default
[09:06] <apachelogger> I know, but I did not find that someones ppa :P
[09:06] <apachelogger> sheytan: kipi is also 1.1.0?
[09:06] <sheytan> apachelogger Can it be digikam makes that problems? I can remove it and checkout ;P And yes, kipi same version as digikam ;)
[09:07] <vbgunz> I think I have the new grub for some reason. 1.9.7 beta or similiar. where is the new /boot/grub/menu file located OR what do I edit now for boot time options?
[09:07] <sheytan> apachelogger kipi-plugins are from the same ppa as digikam, as i remember
[09:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: that is interesting because AFAIK there is no 1.1.0 kipi :P
[09:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: which is probably why you have that problem to begin with
[09:08] <vbgunz> damn 4.4 doesn't have a user manager?
[09:08] <sheytan> apachelogger Let me remove it, and checkout, ok?
[09:08] <apachelogger> sheytan: just do sudo apt-get install kipi-plugins=1.0.0-1ubuntu1~karmic1+ppa1
[09:09] <apachelogger> that should downgrade to the version from backports mking it 4.4 compatible
[09:09] <Guest10096> hey guys... my sound isn't working in firefox at all... any help? it seems to work for system sounds and amarok
[09:09] <apachelogger> vbgunz: kuser
[09:09] <vbgunz> apachelogger: accessing that interface through systemsettings I think is broken :/
[09:09] <sheytan> apachelogger it want me to upgrade some of kde libs and base, and other apps
[09:09] <vbgunz> thanks for pointing it out, it seem to run fine from runner
[09:10] <sheytan> apachelogger first i'll remove it ;)
[09:10] <apachelogger> vbgunz: there aint is no systemsettings integration for kuser
[09:11] <vbgunz> apachelogger: wasn't it at system > user management? I still have that interface but get an error now through systemsettings
[09:11] <apachelogger> oh
[09:11] <apachelogger> that is a different app
[09:12] <apachelogger> though I shall not talk about it, because I will end up ranting
[09:12] <sheytan> apachelogger nothing. I removed kipi and it sill shows me the same blocked and updates
[09:12] <vbgunz> apachelogger: ok, got you, thanks :)
[09:13] <vbgunz> where do I edit the grub menu options? I used to be able to do this at /boot/grub/menu.lst *but* that file doesn't seem to be there anymore :/
[09:13] <apachelogger> sheytan: sudo apt-get install gwenview
[09:13] <apachelogger> what does that do?
[09:14] <vbgunz> got it
[09:15] <plutonium241> helau
[09:16] <sheytan> apachelogger http://pastebin.com/m7706acc9
[09:17] <apachelogger> sheytan: libkipi6
[09:17] <sheytan> apachelogger what to do with?
[09:17] <apachelogger> remove it
[09:17]  * apachelogger once again wants to mention that all this is caused by installing software from unsupported ppas
[09:18] <sheytan> apachelogger it wants to remove almost a whole system :D Let me show  you ;D
[09:20] <sheytan> apachelogger http://pastebin.com/m164d456c
[09:20] <apachelogger> well
[09:20] <sheytan> when i try to remove libkipi6 in kpackagekit, it shows me that dpenencies are broken
[09:21] <apachelogger> just leave it alone until some real support person comes along to help you sort that mess
[09:21] <apachelogger> sheytan: until then you should be save to upgrade and leave gwenview and digikam as blocked
[09:22] <sheytan> apachelogger isn't there a command to skip deps ? :D
[09:22] <sheytan> so i can remove libkipi6
[09:26] <sheytan> apachelogger take a look here https://launchpad.net/~darcio53/+archive/ppa
[09:26] <sheytan> i think it's taht repo with kipi-plugins and digikam
[09:32] <binarylooks> since the upgrade yesterday, my tty1 console is gone. when I switch to it, I only see lots of colors
[09:33] <binarylooks> seems to be a graphics problem, but there was no uipdate for that yesterday
[09:35] <binarylooks> nobody else has this problem?
[09:38] <binarylooks> when I login through the colors and type "cls" the colors change randmoly so the input still works
[09:39]  * binarylooks remembers that you should not name the Dark One (for the WoT readers in here)
[09:49] <skwara96> witam
[09:49] <bohun> hello, I've installed today KDE 4.4.0 packages from ppa and can't add Facebook plasma widget on desktop. Does anybody know whether it is connected with Pyhon script engine ?
[09:49] <bohun> witam
[09:50] <skwara96> jest ktos z polski?
[09:50] <bohun> :D
[09:50] <skwara96> :P
[09:50] <skwara96> ej
[09:50] <skwara96> jak mam kubuntu na pendrive
[09:50] <bohun> but we should talk here in english
[09:50] <skwara96> to co mam zrobic, zebym mogl na nim zapisywac pliki
[09:50] <bohun> or in PM
[09:50] <skwara96> z kubuntu
[09:51] <Torch> binarylooks: you should also not assume that cls does mean anything outside microsoft dos. ;-)
[09:52] <binarylooks> Torch: you're right. its "clear" not cls (Very old habits die hard)
[09:53] <Torch> binarylooks: it's ctrl+l (lowercase L)
[09:53] <Torch> ("clear" works too, of course, but ctrl+l is what you normally use)
[10:12] <binarylooks> I just received new updates again in karmic, and my complete session crashed during dpk. The same happened this morning during updates
[10:27] <alvin> I was just going to ask if I updated too soon. Everything looks ok, aside from a few expected bugs, but nothing seems to be wrong with the packaging. Am I right that the packages are all in place and that upgrading is (relatively) safe?
[10:35] <Vishesh> Hi. Any Idea when will KDE 4.4 be released on Kubuntu?
[10:36] <Vishesh> I really wanna try it out, but I'm not that keen about compiling it myself.
[10:38] <Torch> Vishesh: see topic
[10:38] <Vishesh> Torch: Man.  Sorry about that.
[10:39] <Torch> Vishesh: no worries ;-)
[10:42] <Galvatron> Hi
[10:42] <Galvatron> I got a pretty strange issue with my Jaunty
[10:43] <Galvatron> When I send an application to another workspace/desktop, the window disappears
[10:45] <Galvatron> When I call the window back with tray icon, it appears, but the desktop gets black and I can only kill X
[10:46] <Galvatron> It's the same under Compiz and Kwin
[10:53] <koltroll> Heya guys. I've just installed kubuntu and the graphics is really strange on me. I've got a ati radeon 4770. I should be able to active special drivers for it, but I don't find where to do it
[10:53] <koltroll> *activate
[10:54] <jussi01> koltroll: menu -> system -> hardware drivers
[10:55] <koltroll> jussi01, do you mean "System Settings" -> "hardware". Cause that's as close as I can get
[10:56] <jussi01> koltroll: no, in the menu there is a submenu called "system"
[10:56] <koltroll> oh yea dude sorry.
[10:56] <koltroll> The graphics in the menu is really messed up for me, so I didn't see it
[10:56] <jussi01> :)
[10:56] <jussi01> koltroll: found it now?
[10:57] <koltroll> meh. "No propietary drivers are in use on this system". And I can't choose any other drivers. :(
[10:57] <koltroll> When I was in the "live"-mode before installing atleast it told me that there was better drivers to choose from
[10:57] <jussi01> curious.
[10:58] <Galvatron> koltroll - you must download the drivers from AMD website ;)
[10:59] <jussi01> Galvatron: no he shouldnt need to.
[10:59] <jussi01> koltroll: which version have you installed?
[10:59] <koltroll> jussi01, 9.10
[11:00] <jussi01> koltroll: Ive a similar ati card and mine is detected. I wonder what the issue is.
[11:01] <koltroll> perhaps I'll try with a .... REBOOT! :)
[11:01] <Tm_T> packagelists have to be updated after install
[11:01] <koltroll> Tm_T, how do I do that? By entering the update manager (or whatever it is called) ?
[11:02] <Tm_T> koltroll: something like that yes
[11:02] <koltroll> Tm_T, I'm gonna try that. thank you
[11:03] <jussi01> ahh, that makes sense, forgot about that
[11:04] <Martijn81> hi, when does kde 4.4 for kubuntu comes out?
[11:04] <Vroomfondle> when Lucid is released.
[11:04] <Vroomfondle> though I think there is a PPA repo if you're desperate
[11:04] <Tm_T> Martijn81: Vroomfondle: see topic (:
[11:04] <Tm_T> and kubuntu.org
[11:04] <Martijn81> yeah, i have that source in my repo file, but it does not download it yet
[11:04] <Vroomfondle> yeah, that's the one.
[11:04] <koltroll> can I start the update manager from terminal?  Now I atleast have the ati/amd-driver in "Hardware Drivers"
[11:47] <koltroll> but nothing happens when I click "activate"
[11:53] <sheytan> apachelogger have a minute?
[11:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: depends
[11:54] <sheytan> apachelogger one question: im on a fresh installed kubuntu. Added the backports repo, and i still got blocked updates. But only in kpackagekit. when i do dist-upgrade, it's ok
[11:55] <sheytan> Can i do dist-upgrade?
[11:55] <apachelogger> you should indeed
[11:55] <apachelogger> kpackagekit is not usable for that kind of complicate updates
[11:55] <sheytan> apachelogger ok, thank you :)
[11:57] <noaXess> how does knetwork manager knows about my huawei e220? ttyUSB0? where can i set that so knetwork manager knows it?
[12:10] <binarylooks> are the current lucid kubuntu builds installable? Does ubiquity work again?
[12:29] <Martijn81> how do i start using webkit instead of khtml in konqueror?
[12:36] <binarylooks> is rekonq 0.4 already somewhere in a ppa?
[12:36] <koltroll> what would be the "best" way of adding a dock to kubuntu? For gnome I've used gnome-do and cairo-dock
[12:37] <Eruaran> Hello can someone please help
[12:37] <Eruaran> I have tried to update to KDE SC 4.4
[12:37] <Eruaran> When I try to log in normally I don't get a KDM login or anything... I just get nasty flashing artifacts
[12:39] <Eruaran> But... If I go into recovery mode I can login to KDE as root... and things seem to work normal... if I try to log in under my username Plasma crashes every time... Can I clear something in my .kde so it works ??
[12:40] <Eruaran> I am desperate to get things working normally again
[12:42] <iconmefisto> Eruaran: you could try ~/.kde/share/config/plasmarc
[12:42] <iconmefisto> Eruaran: or other files plasma* in that folder
[12:43] <Eruaran> iconmefisto: plasmarc?
[12:44] <Eruaran> iconmefisto: There doesn't seem to be a plasmarc folder...
[12:44] <iconmefisto> plasmarc is a file
[12:44] <Eruaran> iconmefisto: yes sorry, misunderstood
[12:45] <Eruaran> iconmefisto: just remove it to get defaults?
[12:45] <iconmefisto> Eruaran: yes, or rename it if you want to keep a backup of it
[12:45] <Eruaran> iconmefisto: ok
[12:48] <Eruaran> What about KDM?
[12:49] <Eruaran> I had a themed login before... if that's screwing things up I'd like to get rid of it
[12:53] <Eruaran> well... I'm gonna see if this works
[12:58] <Eruaran> yay I can log in as me now...
[12:58] <Eruaran> :'(
[12:58] <Eruaran> Plasma is not crashing
[13:06] <reagleBRKLN> i just upgrade to 4.4 but get: strigi-daemon: Depends: libstreamanalyzer0 (= 0.7.0-1) but 0.7.1-1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed
[13:06] <reagleBRKLN> any help?
[13:07] <reagleBRKLN> ah, dang it.... konq still takes up to 100% cpu and jams
[13:07] <reagleBRKLN> on some pages
[13:10] <Eruaran> still can't login normally
[13:11] <Eruaran> If I start in recovery mode, drop to a root prompt and login as myself, KDE starts normally
[13:11] <Eruaran> But normal boot and all I get it nasty artifacts
[13:12] <Eruaran> No KDM or KDE
[13:12] <RaGNORAK> hi
[13:12] <Eruaran> hi
[13:12] <RaGNORAK> i can't seem to install vlc properly
[13:13] <RaGNORAK> i cant install the arts audio plugin
[13:13] <RaGNORAK> it keeps giving me an error
[13:13] <RaGNORAK> so i get no audio :(
[13:13] <RaGNORAK> can someone help?
[13:14] <Kyril> Eruaran: Same problem here. With Strg+Alt+F1 & Strg+Alt+F7 I can login, but I have to do it everytime after a restart.
[13:14] <RaGNORAK> or can you tell me how to use .deb files
[13:15] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: Why not just get VLC from the repositories?
[13:15] <iconmefisto> RaGNORAK: double-click .deb files and you should get a gui
[13:16] <Eruaran> Kyril: yes... All I know so far is that X must be ok, KDE is ok, graphics drivers are ok... but normal boot is nasty
[13:16] <RaGNORAK> Eruaran:  i tried
[13:17] <RaGNORAK> but i cant get the arts plugin to install
[13:17] <RaGNORAK> it keeps giving me an error
[13:17] <RaGNORAK> namely : a package dependency cannot be found
[13:18] <Eruaran> VLC uses arts?
[13:18] <Eruaran> Does VLC start?
[13:18] <RaGNORAK> yes
[13:19] <RaGNORAK> but i t doesn't play audio
[13:19] <iconmefisto> RaGNORAK: I don't think kde uses arts any more
[13:19] <RaGNORAK> ummm then why doesn't dudio work?
[13:19] <RaGNORAK> audio*
[13:19] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: Oh wait
[13:19] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: I think I had that problem... if you try to use YouTube do you get any audio?
[13:20] <RaGNORAK> didn't try till now
[13:20] <RaGNORAK> wait
[13:20] <AlexZion> hi everyone , I saw right now the uograde available of KDE 4.4 for karmic, but KPackageKit said  122 update available and 86 locked update ....., why ?
[13:21] <Eruaran> AlexZion: I dunno... but my system was partially borked afterwards when I bypassed KPackageKit
[13:21] <AlexZion> I mean , if I upgrade now , can be danferous for my system , or I should update by konsole using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[13:22] <RaGNORAK> Eruaran:  it doesnt play either
[13:22] <Eruaran> AlexZion: a couple of us are not having a smooth upgrade...
[13:22] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: ok... It might be your alsa settings
[13:23] <AlexZion> Eruaran: ok , so probably is better if I wait a bit more ....
[13:23] <khaije|selen> Which meta-package adds kubuntu-desktop from a server install?
[13:23] <RaGNORAK> so should i install a alsa player?
[13:23] <Eruaran> AlexZion: yes, unless u want to join us in "err what is going on here" land... :p
[13:24] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: no, alsa is installed
[13:24] <RaGNORAK> sorry i just installed linux yesterday for the first time so am a total noob
[13:24] <petsounds> AlexZion, try dist-upgrade
[13:24] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: its an issue specific to ubuntu/kubuntu but easy to fix
[13:24] <RaGNORAK> can you explain to me how
[13:24] <RaGNORAK> please?
[13:24] <Eruaran> yes
[13:25] <AlexZion> petsounds: I tried it , but it's even worst ...., it will update just few package in this way ...
[13:26] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: just a sec
[13:26] <AlexZion> petsounds: just 17 packages update and 191 not update ....
[13:28] <jussi01> AlexZion: try closing pacakgekit and running in terminal: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:29] <gilles_> i prefer konversation
[13:29] <AlexZion> jussi01: I did , but the result is the same, 17 package to update and 191 not update ...
[13:30] <jussi01> AlexZion: could you copy the output of that into a pastebin so I can see please?
[13:30] <jussi01> !paste
[13:30] <AlexZion> jussi01: sure , wait a seconds ....
[13:32] <AlexZion> jussi01: the output is in Italian , but shouldn't be difficult to understand ..... http://paste.ubuntu.com/373948/
[13:33] <jussi01> AlexZion: please try the command I gave you
[13:33] <jussi01> with dist-upgrade
[13:33] <gilles_> i'm having troubles with nepomuk and kde 4.4.0
[13:33] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: open up a terminal (like konsole) and type "sudo alsamixer"
[13:33] <gilles_> it was working fine with beta
[13:33] <AlexZion> jussi01: sorry , I was sure it was dist-upgrade .....
[13:33] <RaGNORAK> done
[13:33] <gilles_> how to reset nepomuk ?
[13:34] <RaGNORAK> can i pm you?
[13:34] <jussi01> gilles_: I am also having issues. not really sure on how to fix it yet
[13:34] <reagleBRKLN> i just upgrade to 4.4 but get: strigi-daemon: Depends: libstreamanalyzer0 (= 0.7.0-1) but 0.7.1-1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed
[13:34] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: you can use the arrow keys on your keyboard to change the volume settings for each section - just make sure none are muted
[13:34] <AlexZion> jussi01: ok , now is different 206 update 53 new, 8 removed and 2 not update
[13:35] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: kmix will work as well I think (kickoff>applications>multimedia)
[13:35] <jussi01> AlexZion: :)
[13:35] <call> center
[13:35] <AlexZion> jussi01: do you want the pastebin as well ?
[13:35] <jussi01> AlexZion: no, thats about correct
[13:35] <AlexZion> or I can do the upgrade ?
[13:35] <PascalFR> Hey
[13:35] <jussi01> AlexZion: that upgrade should take you to 4.4. :)
[13:35] <reagleBRKLN> anyone running 4.4, which version of strigi-daemon do you have installed?
[13:36] <RaGNORAK> Eruaran:  ya nothing is muted
[13:36] <jussi01> AlexZion: just realise this 4.4 is not officially supported
[13:36] <PascalFR> can someone from canonical or kubuntu  explains or points me to new rules regarding bug reporting on kubuntu ?
[13:36] <jussi01> PascalFR: thats more a question for #kubuntu-bugs
[13:37] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: basically something is muted or volume is down where it shouldn't be... make sure master volume is up and PCM is up as well... you should find that you have audio in VLC and flash sites like YouTube after that
[13:37] <AlexZion> jussi01: ok , and it will be in the future for karmic ?
[13:37] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: just crank everything up ;p
[13:37] <jussi01> AlexZion: unlikely, however 4.4 will be default for Lucid
[13:37] <jussi01> AlexZion: the PPA is an "at your own risk" item
[13:37] <PascalFR> jussi01:  ok  trying
[13:38] <AlexZion> yes I know that , but I was unpatient to try the great new features of KDE 4.4 , so I can't wait until April ... :)
[13:38] <jussi01> AlexZion: yeah, Id just say dont do it on a machine that is essential for production ;)
[13:40] <PascalFR> it seems all bug reports about kubuntu is flagged invalid and must be reported to kdebugs instead
[13:40] <Eruaran> AlexZion: I have updated but can't log in normally at the moment... I get nasty flashing graphical artifacts... most disconcerting... But I have found that if I use recovery mode and then login as myself I can startx and KDE starts normally (after I removed my previous plasma settings)... so, its a bit 'bleeding edge' at the moment
[13:40] <AlexZion> jussi01: I'll try to wait for the new release , but I'm pretty sure I'll not resist so much .. :D
[13:40] <RaGNORAK> Eruaran:  thank you
[13:40] <RaGNORAK> it works now
[13:40] <Eruaran> RaGNORAK: yay :D
[13:41] <AlexZion> Eruaran: yeah , I think it's quite normal, probably renaming the .kde folder , it qill start much better I guess ....
[13:42] <Eruaran> AlexZion: would that effect KDM?
[13:42] <AlexZion> yeah probably you will lose all the settings about kde , but it's quite normal when change are so important...
[13:43] <Eruaran> AlexZion: The reason I ask is that I'm thinking its a settings issue... If I can reset KDM with basic defaults it might start working normally
[13:43] <AlexZion> in this version if I don't mistake , they change a lot of thing .....
[13:43] <shankly> hi all, i've updated to kde 4.4, but now, when I start my pc, after usplash I see a dark,with some colored dotts, screen
[13:43] <shankly> if I use ctrl f8
[13:43] <shankly> and then ctrl f7
[13:43] <AlexZion> yea, I think so , so try to rename the .kde folder in your home , and you will see ....
[13:43] <Eruaran> AlexZion: I don't mind losing those settings... thats mostly personalized stuff and easy to change
[13:43] <shankly> kdm appear
[13:44] <shankly> i've tryed gdm instead of kdm, and i've no trouble
[13:44] <gilles_> jussi01: i found this answer to my nepomuk problems
[13:44] <Eruaran> shankly: yeah a few of us getting the same thing
[13:44] <gilles_> jussi01: http://socceroosd.blogspot.com/2010/02/kubuntu-karmic-kde-44-and-nepomuk.html
[13:44] <shankly> Eruaran: it's a kdm issue, isn't it?
[13:44] <AlexZion> Eruaran: so try it , and if you get the same problem , just remove the new .kde folder and rename back the oldone
[13:45] <Eruaran> shankly & AlexZion I will try it now
[13:45] <shankly> i've deleted .kde, with no good news
[13:45] <Eruaran> oh ok
[13:45] <Eruaran> didn't work?
[13:46] <shankly> no
[13:46] <AlexZion> ok , let us know what happens ...
[13:46] <markus___> shankly: i had a similar issue with kdm. since i  changed from fglrx to radeonhd kdm has been working
[13:46] <Eruaran> Ok maybe I wont try that then
[13:46] <markus___> i had no screen at all
[13:46] <shankly> markus___: what I've done is
[13:46] <shankly> ctrl f8
[13:46] <shankly> and then ctrl f7
[13:46] <markus___> only some funny colored dots
[13:46] <shankly> and I've kdm
[13:47] <AlexZion> ok , let me try what happen on a virtualized Kubuntu machine ....
[13:47] <Eruaran> ok
[13:48] <markus___> shankly: do you mean ctral+alt+f8 ?
[13:49] <shankly> markus___: sorry, yes
[13:49] <shankly> markus___: ctrl+alt+f8 and then ctrl+alt+f7
[13:51] <Eruaran> I will do that until I know how to fix
[13:51] <Eruaran> sigh... at least its not life threatening
[13:51] <shankly> Eruaran: if you use gdm there's no trouble
[13:51] <shankly> Eruaran: til kdm works
[13:51] <Eruaran> shankly: cant be stuffed installing gdm ;p
[13:52] <Eruaran> But if I get sufficiently annoyed I might get motivated
[13:52] <shankly> :D
[13:52] <Eruaran> :p
[13:55] <shankly> there's a ppa with OO 3.2?
[13:55] <markus___> shankly: yes, it was the same for me. kdm showed up for approx. 10secs. then the screen blanked. i was able to input my password blindly. after some time and some crtl+alt+f1/f7 i was able to see the desktop.
[13:56] <Eruaran> oh great now I have no audio...
[13:56] <Eruaran> I had audio before...
[13:57] <markus___> shankly: but after some time the screen blanked again. i thought fglrx was outdated and built myself ubuntu packages from the ati 10.1 driver.
[13:57] <shankly> markus___: I insert the password after ctrl+alt......
[13:57] <markus___> shankly: after reboot i was not able to see any screen.
[13:58] <shankly> markus___: mine works the same every time I reboot
[13:58] <markus___> shankly: this was annoying and i changed the driver from fglrx to radeonhd via remote shell
[13:58] <markus___> shankly: no compositing, but full kdm
[13:59] <markus___> shankly: but do you have to blindly enter your pw?
[14:00] <shankly> markus___: no, after ctrl+alt+f8 and ctrl+alt+f7 I see the kdm login screen
[14:00] <shankly> markus___: and I insert the password
[14:02] <AlexZion> Eruaran: ok , I leave my VM doing the upgrade , now I have to go for couple of hours , if you will be here , I'll let you know how it goes ...
[14:05] <Eruaran> hmm my audio is back
[14:05] <koltroll> so I can configure kde with active corners for dashboard, active windows and some other things. But I can't make it show the desktop? I realize this is kinda the same thing as showing the dashboard, but the dashboard get's all dark and ugly. I just want all the windows to be minimizer, as if I click the "show desktop"-button in the panel
[14:06] <shankly> guys, no one knows if there's a ppa for openoffice 3.2?
[14:08] <bobbob1016> I added the backports ppa and I can't install kubuntu-desktop because it says I have unmet dependencies, any ideas?
[14:09] <shankly> bobbob1016: what says apt-get dist-upgrade?
[14:10] <bobbob1016> shankly, won't that give me lucid?  I don't want lucid, I want 4.4 on karmic
[14:12] <shankly> that don't give you lucid if you don't have lucid repo in source.list
[14:13] <bobbob1016> shankly, I don't have kde yet, I wanted to install kde 4.4 alongside gnome
[14:13] <shankly> bobbob1016: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:14] <jbee> hey guys. how can i set the default app for http:// in kde 3?
[14:14] <bobbob1016> shankly, That gives me the "unmet dependencies"
[14:14] <shankly> bobbob1016: what dependencies?
[14:15] <bobbob1016> http://pastebin.com/m42efaee0
[14:16] <EagleScreen> bobbob1016: what are you doing?
[14:16] <bobbob1016> shankly, I figured it out, I had some KDE stuff, so dist-upgrade, then "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" seems to have done it
[14:17] <shankly> bobbob1016: ok
[14:17] <EagleScreen> bobbob1016: always paste the command that generated the output
[14:19] <RaGNORAK> i am having a problem with ktorrent
[14:19] <RaGNORAK> i use dual boot with windows
[14:20] <RaGNORAK> and i added my old torrent files so that i can seed them but they do not reload after i restart kubuntu
[14:20] <RaGNORAK> how do i get them to stay?
[14:21] <gigasoft> how to clear kmail's cashes, to reload all mails
[14:23] <shankly> RaGNORAK: have you copied files into your ktorrent folder or have you mounted windows partition and inserted them in shared files?
[14:24] <RaGNORAK> umm you mean the .torrent files?
[14:24] <RaGNORAK> they are in the windows partition
[14:25] <RaGNORAK> should i copy them to a folder in /home?
[14:25] <shankly> RaGNORAK: and you've setted to mount automatically windows partition at kubuntu start?
[14:25] <RaGNORAK> how do i do that?
[14:26] <shankly> RaGNORAK: you've to modify fstab
[14:27] <RaGNORAK> hmmm i dont know how that works but i'll google
[14:27] <Eruaran> I like ktorrent
[14:27] <shankly> RaGNORAK: it's not too hard, you'll find how to do that ;)
[14:28] <RaGNORAK> ty
[14:28] <RaGNORAK> thank god for google :)
[14:28] <shankly> RaGNORAK: :)
[14:30] <RaGNORAK> got it
[14:30] <RaGNORAK> ntfs config
[14:30] <RaGNORAK> now to see if it works
[14:47] <ilumi> what app can read image tags that have the gps info etc
[14:50] <Eruaran> Is it just me or is there suddenly no way to change Plasma themes in KDE SC 4.4 ?
[14:52] <satepc> http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1265892675214.jpg
[14:53] <shankly> Eruaran: is in systemsettings->appearance->workspace
[14:53] <Eruaran> oh i c thanks shankly
[14:54] <shankly> Eruaran: ;)
[14:55] <aLeSD> byeç
[15:00] <reagleBRKLN> can anyone tell me how nepomuk/strigi are supposed to work with 4.4 ppa debs? strigi-utils: Depends: libstreamanalyzer0 (= 0.7.0-1) but 0.7.1-1~karmic1~ppa2 is to be installed
[15:26] <binnyg> Morning. I have KUbuntu and my screen hangs every couple of hours. I can still loginto the machine using ssh. Looks like a graphic card error. How do I troubleshoot it? any help is appreciated
[15:26] <pache> I want to install openoffice 3.2 from lucid but i want to stay karmic. How I configure apt?
[15:26] <binnyg> I was asked to show /var/log/Xorg* files but I got disconnected
[15:26] <binnyg> I can share the files now
[15:31] <Martijn81> binnyg: you may have a chance with apt pinning
[15:32] <Martijn81> oops
[15:32] <Martijn81> pache:
[15:32] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:33] <binnyg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[15:33] <binnyg> ??
[15:33] <chfwiggum> hi all
[15:34] <pache> thank you
[15:40] <chfwiggum> i upgraded my karmic to kde 4.4 . when i try to mark an email as spam in kmail my whole system locks and i have to reboot the kernel. also, when booting i see like a test pattern on my x. the consoles are all yellow meaning i can't use them. when i switch back to x i see the kdm screen as usual. the consoles stay yellow and unusable. has someone any idea what might be the problem or could give me a hint where to start searchin
[15:40] <bobbob1016> So I got 4.4 installed, and it's working fine, except my panel window list thing isn't working right.  I have 2 konqueror windows up, and if I click to select one I don't get the list.  I also have two different programs over each other in the list as well, any ideas?
[15:42] <binnyg> Martijn81: this is my graphic device 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device
[15:44] <Martijn81> sorry binnyg, i think i cannot help
[15:44] <binnyg> ok I will look in the forums. thanks
[15:45] <genii> Hm, too bad ilumi left, I had an answer to his GPS tagging question
[15:45] <sixofour|fp> so, how would I install kubuntu on a netbook with no cdrom or flash drive?
[15:45] <chfwiggum> usb stick
[15:46] <Vroomfondle> a usb stick *is* a flash drive
[15:46] <Martijn81> pache: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html and change the line in sources.list to the source you want
[15:46] <genii> werfact: gpscorrelate-gui  is what you wanted
[15:46] <sixofour|fp> i was thinking i could do it over my homenetwork
[15:46] <Vroomfondle> sixofour|fp: you might be able to do it by netbooting (I've never done that with kubuntu though) - try googling
[15:46] <sixofour|fp> or with a usb cable
[15:47] <petsounds> genii, thanks for helping me in #ubuntu+1
[15:48] <genii> petsounds: You're welcome
[15:52] <oxymoron> Does anyone know package name for gnome-sound-recorder?
[15:52] <chfwiggum> what might be the problem for me not being able to switch into consoles with alt+F2? they appear all yellow and i can't see if i'm typing. possible that the kde4.4 upgrade messed with my x server?
[15:56] <Kolia> chfwiggum: out of curiosity, was there a kernel update too when you upgraded kde?
[15:58] <chfwiggum> Kolia: i'm still running 3.6.31-19 like i did before
[16:00] <chfwiggum> *2.6 of course
[16:12] <Anubis> hi guys
[16:13] <marcus_> Lo there.
[16:14] <Anubis> i have this error when i try to update the kernel: Failed to fetch ....Could not connect to localhost:8118 (<IP_ADDRESS>). - connect (111: Connection refused)
[16:14] <Anubis> what can i do to solve this problem
[16:14] <marcus_> What are you using to update?
[16:15] <Anubis> adept
[16:15] <marcus_> Hmm. Have you tried KPackageKit, or apt-get?
[16:16] <Anubis> first i tried KPackageKit
[16:16] <markus___> chfwiggum: i had this problem too. yellow screens and on f7 blank screen after upgrade from rc2 to 4.4. maybe this is an issue with fglrx and 4.4. i changed to radeonhd and then kdm worked again as well as the consoles.
[16:17] <marcus_> Anubis: did it return the same error?
[16:17] <Anubis> then i tried apt-get and this is messge: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[16:17] <marcus_> All right.
[16:17] <marcus_> Hmm...
[16:18] <marcus_> Go into aptitude and check if there's a red bar at the bottom.
[16:18] <Anubis> marcus: i think this problem occured because of privoxy/polipo/tor/tork
[16:18] <iconmefisto> I did  apt-get purge kdm  then reinstalled kdm, and I could log in ok
[16:18] <marcus_> Anubis: Aah, sorry. I don't know anything much about tor.
[16:19] <marcus_> Anubis: Is everything else working? Is all the traffic going through Tor?#
[16:20] <Anubis> i uninstalled everything and deleted manually the files related to privoxy/tor. etc
[16:21] <Anubis> everything else is working
[16:22] <marcus_> Anubis: Aah. Have you checked your KDE proxy set-up? If it's not now directly connecting to the internet and is trying to go through a proxy, it might cause problems.
[16:22] <sheytan> What packages I need to install to get akonadi?
[16:24] <marcus_> sheytan: have you tried searching for it in KPackageKit?
[16:25] <inclement> I just installed kde4.4 from the backports repository. It seems to work fine, except that when I boot X just gives me a cursor on a black screen (and the wrong resolution, I think). ctrl+shift+f7 does nothing, but switching to ctrl+shift+f2 then ctrl+shift+f7 resets it to give me the kdm screen
[16:25] <inclement> Any ideas what's wrong, and how to make the graphics initalise properly the first time?
[16:25] <sheytan> marcus yes, but there's some packages and i don't know what should i install :P
[16:26] <Anubis> marcus: i checked and is set to connect ....
[16:31] <benoitg> inclement: I have the same problem
[16:36] <chfwiggum> how do i reinstall all kde packages?
[16:38] <zibi> hello guys
[16:39] <zibi> I have installed a kubuntu 9.10 and update it
[16:39] <zibi> i wonna to install kde 4.4
[16:39] <Vroomfondle> zibi: see the channel topic
[16:39] <Vroomfondle> (the bit about KDE SC 4.4 in the Kubuntu Backports)
[16:40] <sverro2> is it stable? Kubuntu 9.10 with kde 4.4?
[16:40] <zibi> so I add the backports kde repo and when I'm try to update Kpackageit tell me that the pacakges as blocked
[16:41] <zibi> what are you finking about
[16:41] <sverro2> no
[16:41] <sverro2> :)
[16:43] <chfwiggum> is kdebase the one that pulls in all the other packages as dependencies?
[16:51] <sverro2> chfwiggum, I don't know, but I had the same issue with kpackagekit. When I installed synaptic I could install the blocked updates. Not a very good way to fix it, but I uninstalled synaptic when I was done...
[16:52] <rmrfslash> shot in the dark but, does anyone know of a manpage creator? That is somehting I can use to whip up a man page instead of writing it in vim and memorizing all the tags
[17:08] <olskolirc> how do I bring up that default note that comes with the original install.  It comes on the desktop and it has the nicer settings
[17:09] <tim> hi, after todays updates to the kubuntu-ppa/backports ppa, logging into kde will show me a black screen ... any idea, what could could be the reason for this or how i can solve it?
[17:10] <binarylooks> tim: ALt+F2 and type plasma-desktop
[17:11] <tim> binarylooks, i'll give it a try ... if it won't work, i will be back in a minute ... if not, thanks in advance
[17:11] <binarylooks> tim: np
[17:18] <dmatt> Kubuntu 9.10 + KDE 4.4 insata
[17:20] <dmatt> Kubuntu 9.10 + KDE 4.4 installed today and after reboot, just before login all goes black, screen resolution changes to some low setting and only visible thing is huge white mouse pointer. Anybody has similar problem?
[17:20] <darthanubis> nope
[17:21] <darthanubis> maybe try moving your .kde folder
[17:21] <darthanubis> back up the old one
[17:21] <darthanubis> move it, and re-login
[17:21] <dmatt> booting in recovery and manually starting KDM does not exhibit this problem
[17:24] <iconmefisto_> dmatt: in recovery mode root console, I did  apt-get purge kdm  then reinstalled kdm, and I could log in normally
[17:26] <dmatt> iconmefisto_:  thnx, I try it
[17:34] <inclement> iconmefisto_: I have the same problem, though it can be bypassed by switching to a TTY and back (which makes kdm work properly). I'll try your fix, thanks!
[17:37] <frodoleggins> guys, kdm of kde4.4 is buggy
[17:37] <frodoleggins> isn't it? can't open tty, but using instead xdm all works
[17:38] <frodoleggins> is there a solution?
[17:42] <inclement> Well, that didn't work :(. At least the TTY workaround works for now
[17:43] <racecar56> kubuntu 9.10 refuses to boot, when i boot into recovery mode it says something about udevtrigger returning status 1
[17:43] <sverro2> Is it normal common error that I get a black screen when starting the Live CD of kubuntu 10.04 alpha 2 in Virtual Box?
[17:45] <racecar56> sverro2: on a real PC, i know if i try a disk integrity check, it either gets stuck on an ubuntu loading screen, or a blank screen
[17:45] <racecar56> why is udevtrigger returning status 1?
[17:45] <harolddong> did the updated 4.4 packages work for anybody? I'm still getting garbled login window
[17:46] <racecar56> i was able to boot on this live usb stick so my hardware is OK
[17:46] <vaier> hi am a gprs kubuntu user
[17:46] <racecar56> harolddong: i think they worked for me but i might have kde 4.3 i don't know
[17:46] <racecar56> harolddong: if that's what you're talking about
[17:46] <opensuse> harolddong : same here
[17:47] <racecar56> harolddong: if they were recent (yesterday) then i didn't get them installed
[17:47] <vaier> can you tell me, how big updates for kubuntu, am install it from CD 9.0
[17:47] <vaier> *9.10
[17:48] <racecar56> vaier: asking how many updates there are when you update kubuntu 9.10? ~150
[17:48] <lucypher>  /msg NickServ identify metgorna_2525
[17:48] <vaier> omg, @racecer65 thanks
[17:49] <racecar56> should I reinstall kubuntu, due to my "udevtrigger returned status 1" error?
[17:51] <racecar56> i guess that's all i can do :[
[17:51] <racecar56> not going to be too fun having to reinstall...when i just recently reinstalled
[17:52] <vaier> racecar56, you should ask google
[17:53] <racecar56> vaier: "No results found for "udevtrigger returned status 1". Results without quotes." :[
[17:53] <edon> hi, i upgraded kde to kde 4.4sc from kubuntu-ppa, now plasma segfaults immediatly, is there any solution?
[17:54] <racecar56> vaier: maybe i should cause the error again and see if it's in a different format than what i thought it was?
[17:54] <vaier> https://launchpad.net/bugs/204612
[17:54] <vaier> one second
[17:54] <binarylooks> racecar56: maybe you hit this bug: http://q-funk.blogspot.com/2010/02/ubuntulucid-recovering-from-yesterdays.html
[17:55] <AlexZion> edon: I have tried to upgrade on a Virtualized machine, and except for the main panel , everything works fine ....
[17:55] <racecar56> binarylooks: i know i experienced some stupid update where update-grub ran, and it hanged, and i kill -9-ed it
[17:55] <racecar56> binarylooks: and i tried dpkg --configure -a and it caused the error again -_-
[17:55] <AlexZion> edon: have you tried renaming .kde folder on your home ?
[17:55] <binarylooks> racecar56: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:56] <racecar56> binarylooks: i'll chroot into it as i'm on a live usb stick now
[17:56]  * racecar56 likes chroot
[17:56] <binarylooks> racecar56: chrooting will not help
[17:56] <lucypher> edon : same here... I've found that removing ~/.kde folder should help,  I'm trying it now. see you aftre reboot
[17:56] <binarylooks> racecar56: you have to patch the trigger file or change the small mistake yourself (provided you ran into this bug)
[17:56] <racecar56> binarylooks: oh
[17:57] <harolddong> how is facebook xmpp working for everyone in kopete?  cause for me its not
[17:57] <binarylooks> it's a small typo in a file, changing it is easy or you follow the blog post i gave you the link above
[17:57] <racecar56> binarylooks: i have to modify the file over this usb stick, is that OK?
[17:58] <racecar56> binarylooks: because my system will not boot at all
[17:58] <racecar56> binarylooks: but this usb stick does
[17:58] <vaier> racecar56: http://www.google.ru/search?hl=ru&source=hp&q=udevtrigger+returned+status+1&btnG=Поиск+в+Google&lr=&aq=&oq=
[17:58] <binarylooks> racecar56: oops, doesn't boot art all? maybe chrooting IS an option
[17:59] <racecar56> binarylooks: k
[17:59] <binarylooks> racecar56: the error that you had with dpkg -i should have been more explcit.
[18:00] <binarylooks> racecar56: I'm still not sure you had the udev trigger typo bug
[18:00] <racecar56> binarylooks: all i know is my system refuses to boot due to udevtrigger returning status 1
[18:00] <binarylooks> racecar56: it can return status 1 for many reasons
[18:00] <racecar56> binarylooks: it hangs after fussing about my USB devices (it always says things like read error -62 but they work fine
[18:01] <binarylooks> racecar56: maybe check the link vaier gave you
[18:01] <binarylooks> racecar56: otherwise chroot and dpk -i again and see if you didn't miss a more explicit error message
[18:02] <racecar56> binarylooks: i'm dpkg --configure -a ing now
[18:02] <racecar56> binarylooks: just to see what happens
[18:02] <binarylooks> racecar56: ok
[18:02] <racecar56> binarylooks: grep: /proc/modules: No such file or directory cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[18:02] <racecar56> binarylooks: makes sense
[18:02] <racecar56> binarylooks: i didn't bind /proc and stuff
[18:03] <binarylooks> racecar56: thats exactly the bug I thought it was
[18:03] <racecar56> binarylooks: mount -o bind /proc /mnt/proc? (/mnt is where my root is mounted)
[18:03] <binarylooks> it seraches for a firmware.sh while it should search for a firmware (without .sh)
[18:03] <binarylooks> check the blogpost i gave you and do what he says
[18:04] <racecar56> binarylooks: i did that.
[18:04] <racecar56> several grep: /proc/modules: No such file or directory errors
[18:04] <binarylooks> racecar56: for me patching didn't work, becasue the "patch" command didn't work on my system
[18:04] <racecar56> binarylooks: cpio: ./lib/udev/firmware: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[18:05] <chfwiggum> hey
[18:05] <racecar56> binarylooks: looks like patch didn't do anything?
[18:05] <racecar56> chfwiggum: hi
[18:05] <binarylooks> racecar56: just type patch
[18:05] <racecar56> binarylooks: k
[18:05] <binarylooks> racecar56: to see wheteher u have the program
[18:05] <racecar56> binarylooks: it just sits there and doesn't come back to the prompt
[18:05] <racecar56> binarylooks: sounds like it is there
[18:06] <binarylooks> racecar56: damn it.
[18:06] <racecar56> binarylooks: root@ubuntu:/# which patch
[18:06] <racecar56> /usr/bin/patch
[18:06] <racecar56> binarylooks: it found patch
[18:06] <binarylooks> racecar56: lets do it manually, give me a sec...
[18:06] <binarylooks> racecar56: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39011493/udev-firmware.patch
[18:07] <racecar56> binarylooks: k
[18:07] <racecar56> binarylooks: it's in the root of the system (inside the chroot)
[18:07] <binarylooks> ryanakca: nano /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev
[18:08] <chfwiggum> you have other people reporting problems after upgrading to 4.4? when booting into kde i see like a test pattern and my consoles are unusable. they are all yellow, text can't be seen. i have this on *TWO* machines, one upgraded, the other was a fresh install
[18:08] <binarylooks> ryanakca: u have that file?
[18:09] <binarylooks> racecar56: ^
[18:09] <binarylooks> (sorry ryanakca)
[18:09] <racecar56> binarylooks: k
[18:09] <dmatt> Kubuntu 9.10 + KDE 4.4 installed today and after reboot, just before login all goes black, screen resolution changes to some low setting and only visible thing is huge white mouse pointer. Tried renaming .kde, reinstall kdm kubuntu-desktop and xorg-fglrx
[18:09] <binarylooks> ryanakca: search for this line : copy_exec /lib/udev/firmware.sh /lib/udev
[18:10] <binarylooks> ryanakca: and remove the .sh
[18:10] <racecar56> binarylooks: it's already removed, oddly enough
[18:10] <chfwiggum> dmatt: can you switch into consoles with ctrl+alt+F1?
[18:10] <dmatt> switching to ttys makes color pattern, but it is not possible to write
[18:10] <chfwiggum> dmatt: exactly the same here
[18:10] <harolddong> dmatt, its happened to a lot of people. they messed something up
[18:10] <racecar56> binarylooks: the .sh is not there
[18:11] <dmatt> however I can boot through recovery console and manualy starting kdm
[18:11] <vbgunz> wow. I upgraded to KDE 4.4 yesterday. very buggy. Today I update and have 52 upgrades. maybe 4.4 wasn't complete yesterday?
[18:11] <chfwiggum> harolddong: it's not that easy. i had this on two installs
[18:11] <binarylooks> racecar56: ok, i'm lost. sorry
[18:11] <vbgunz> my tty 1-6 are all botched too
[18:11] <binarylooks> racecar56: try asking in ubuntu
[18:11] <racecar56> binarylooks: k
[18:12] <harolddong> there were updated packages today mainly related to kdm that installed hoping it would fix the issue. It didnt and now the oxygen icons are screwed up
[18:12] <inclement> Is it possible to set a hotkey to switch tabs in the new kwin tabbing system? If it is I will keep looking, but it isn't clear if it's even possible
[18:12] <dmatt> sometimes i can see login dialog for half a second and than everything turns black
[18:13] <inclement> dmatt: Have you tried pressing ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+alt+f7 ?
[18:13] <inclement> dmatt: Also as a workaround, I think a differnet login manager (like gdm) will work - you'd just lose the ability to shutdown straight from your desktop
[18:14] <inclement> I do now know what the fix is though :(
[18:14] <dmatt> only ALT+SYSRQ+B works after switch
[18:14] <racecar56> binarylooks: i messed around (put .sh back on, bound /proc to /mnt/proc and /dev to /mnt/dev, and dpkg --configure -a ed, and it was more successful)
[18:14] <harolddong> this is bizarre apparently there was some major problem causing change between the rc's and the final, which I didnt think was supposed to happen.  the betas and rc'sran fine for me
[18:14] <vbgunz> anybody else window grouping botched?
[18:14] <racecar56> binarylooks: all i have that are errors "Cannot find list of partitions!"
[18:14] <dmatt> is there a bug filed for it?
[18:16] <harolddong> it might be time to pull an intervention on the ubuntu kde team, guys, because someone has obviously been drinking
[18:16] <dmatt> inclement: how do I setup my nb to use different login manager?
[18:17] <sheytan> What should I install to get akonadi on KDE 4.4 in karmic?
[18:17] <inclement> dmatt: Do you have one already installed? If not, installing one (apt-get install gdm or whatever) will automatically let you configure it to be used
[18:17] <inclement> If not, there is a command to do it that I forget
[18:17] <racecar56> binarylooks: i'm going to reboot and see what happens
[18:17] <inclement> I don't know for sure that it'll work, btw, but it seemed to for me
[18:18] <binarylooks> racecar56: i'm off for dinner will be back later
[18:18] <dmatt> I rebooted about 20 times in last 30 minutes
[18:18] <vbgunz> I applaud the Kubuntu team for trying. really. my KDE 4.4 upgrade although through the ppa backports feels a little rushed and alpha at some points.
[18:19] <inclement> I don't know for sure that it'll work, btw, but it seemed to for me
[18:19] <racecar56> IT WORKED
[18:19] <racecar56> :D
[18:19] <dmatt> I suspect there was something else updated in the process concerning either xorg or fglrx
[18:19] <racecar56> by *adding* .sh to firmware, it fixed everything
[18:20] <koltroll> I installed gnome-do and choose to have it as a dock. Then after a restart I can't make it a dock, it's telling me "Your display is not properly configured for theme and animation support. To use these features, you must enable compositing".
[18:20] <koltroll> I'm kinda lost since it worked fine before the reboot. Also I thought KDE had some own special special thing instead of Compiz ?
[18:21] <anoneemouse> hi. Just installed kde 4.4 from backports and now plasma is crashing on startup with error: Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" : " "The name org.kde.plasma-desktop was not provided by any .service files" "
[18:21] <koltroll> And if I go ahead and install/activate compiz then I'm afraid that's gonna interfer with kd's thingy
[18:21] <anoneemouse> is there a way i can force a retry through apt-get?
[18:22] <Biosftw> hey starting kopete is crashing the plasma desktop? (kde 4.4)
[18:24] <chfwiggum> Biosftw: yeah, among others it also crashes when i use kmail
[18:24] <anoneemouse> with me it crashes when it starts :/
[18:24] <anoneemouse> plasma that is
[18:24] <chfwiggum> my whole machine stalls
[18:25] <anoneemouse> the woes of being an early adopter
[18:25] <chfwiggum> yeah, but it's so nice
[18:25] <anoneemouse> when everything works it is
[18:26] <harolddong> nepomuk/strigi still don't totally work either, so that'ssomething else
[18:26] <chfwiggum> that, too
[18:26] <harolddong> the move to virtuoso has been sort of wrecked nepomuk
[18:27] <harolddong> sesame was slow but at least it worked as advertised
[18:27] <anoneemouse> im not so worried about those... everything is basically broken for me
[18:27] <Biosftw> so there is no fix or workaround yet? chfwiggum : D
[18:28] <chfwiggum> Biosftw: i'm still waiting on further instructions :(
[18:28] <gorgonizer> Biosftw: are you using the kopete facebook plugin?
[18:29] <Biosftw> yeah i just found a bug report about this plugin
[18:29] <Biosftw> just removing
[18:29] <harolddong> as it stands right now I'm having the same kdm/plasma borked login issues that a lot of people are having. I have to jump through hoops to get to a usable desktop.  some updated packages wrecked the oxygen icons and nepomuk still doesn't work.  Fix all that stuff and I'll be a happy camper
[18:29] <gorgonizer> if you had the 0.1.4 version, you need at lest the 0.1.5 version..
[18:29] <vbgunz> last upgrade just killed X in the middle of updating
[18:29] <vbgunz> had to run dpkg --configure -a
[18:29] <gorgonizer> though you can now use Jabber/XMPP to join Facebook Chat
[18:30] <harolddong> vbgunz, it can do that if it's upgrading kdm
[18:30] <anoneemouse> lol this is like a desktop massacre
[18:30] <Biosftw> woh sweet its working thanks : P
[18:30] <vbgunz> nepomuk indexing agents have been disabled :(
[18:30] <Biosftw> oh can i?
[18:30] <vbgunz> harolddong: yeah, but I was looking at nothing. I had no tty 1-6 and it never turned itself on. I waited a couple minutes :/
[18:30] <gorgonizer> Biosftw: see http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php for more info.. :)
[18:31] <harolddong> even when you get nepomuk setup right you still can'tuse the tag database to search because nothing else will see it. It's been this way since the move to virtuoso backend.  The Sesame backend worked fine
[18:32] <vbgunz> window grouping. tty 1-6, nepomuk still all seem broken and effect performance is still shot bad :/
[18:32] <harolddong> I tried the faceboook xmpp setup but it didnt work. Has anybody gotten it to work?
[18:32] <anoneemouse> harolddong: it wokrs for me
[18:32] <harolddong> it just wont ever sign on in kopete for me
[18:32] <gorgonizer> harolddong: working here in Kopete
[18:33] <harolddong> hmmmm, what are your settings?
[18:33] <anoneemouse> at first it threw me out with a password error. and then it mysteriously started working after a while
[18:33] <harolddong> I followed the instructions on on the fb page but maybe I missed something
[18:33] <gorgonizer> harolddong: I also had a kopete-facebook plugin account setup, my XMPP account only signed in when I removed both accounts and created the XMPP account only..
[18:34] <harolddong> yeah I havent had the fb plugin installed in a while since it never worked anyway
[18:35] <anoneemouse> is there a way i can force ubuntu to reinstall all the kde 4.4 packages
[18:35] <Biosftw> thanks gorgonizer
[18:35] <harolddong> I dont think that will help, anon
[18:35] <anoneemouse> i got some strange KIO errors while the update was running
[18:35] <gorgonizer> harolddong: I used the settings shown when I clicked the Other option on the Facebook Chat page..
[18:36] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[18:36] <wizkoder> I just tried to get the facebook chat working with kopete. but get the message "xmpp 1.0 is needed". Wat can I do?
[18:37] <anoneemouse> wizkoder: make sure override servers settings is not checked
[18:38] <harolddong> so "allow plaintext authentication" and "use protocol encryption" are both unchecked?
[18:38] <harolddong> port 5222?
[18:39] <anoneemouse> thats right but you shouldnt mess with the port settings
[18:39] <harolddong> well then mine is setup right.  dunno why its not working
[18:39] <wizkoder> same here. its not working
[18:40] <anoneemouse> try deleting the account and recreating it in kopete... sounds strange but it worked for me
[18:40] <harolddong> that's what I'm trying right now
[18:40] <seekis> i am trying to setup kubuntu netbook remix via usb and install gets stuck at black screen
[18:41] <seekis> is my image bad or is something else hindering the install
[18:41] <seekis> im running unr right now
[18:41] <wizkoder> You are right. This time just entered my username and its working :-)
[18:42] <harolddong> yay now it works
[18:42] <dmatt> concerning borked login, i went through apt log and except kdepim-runtime-libs4 dependency problem there is nothing which looks suspicious
[18:44] <seekis> i tried the try before install and it reaches a screen that has a prompt that says ubuntu@ubuntu:
[18:44] <anoneemouse> i dont think ill ever use kpackagekit again... im using apt-get and it seems to be updating stuff that kpackagekit claimed it was updating
[18:44] <seekis> where do i go from there
[18:45] <harolddong> aptitude is the best ad its all you need
[18:46] <harolddong> *and
[18:46] <harolddong> okay kopete/xmpp login problem fixed
[18:46] <harolddong> now let'sfigure out the rest of this stuff
[18:52] <dmatt> harolddong: do you know if there is bug filed for borked login after upgrade to 4.4?
[18:52] <dmatt> or anybody else
[18:52] <harolddong> I don't know
[18:53] <benoitg> dmatt: If there is, haven't found it.
[18:54] <kuse> Did a dist-upgrade on karmic today, after that I got some problems when booting, seems like kdm/xorg isnt working as it should, all I get is a blackscreen, switching to a tty and back to X (ctrl+alt+f7) brings back kdm correctly, anyone knows what can be wrong?
[18:55] <OzoNe> kuse the same problem here after upgrade to kde 4.4.0
[18:55] <xMine> hello
[18:55] <OzoNe> I do Alt+E for reload KDM and OK
[18:55] <kuse> OzoNe: yeah thats why I upgraded, kde 4.4, is this a known issue then?
[18:56] <OzoNe> I don't know if this is a known issue, but affects me too :)
[18:56] <dmatt> I am going to test it one more time
[18:57] <Bente> How can I change a icon, that I have on my desktop?
[18:57] <harolddong> its affecting a lot of poeple
[18:57] <xMine> i need help. i've updated to KDE 4.4 and now i can't start kde: first i could login, the init window came and after the K was there it disappeared. then i had a black screen (with mouse) and a window that said that plasma crashed. so i've switched to console and installed "plasma-desktop" and now i can't even login!
[18:57] <xMine> any help would be appreciated
[18:58] <harolddong> its a known issue, xmine
[18:59] <xMine> so, how can i downgrade?
[18:59] <xMine> can i remove "plasma-desktop" again?
[19:00] <dmatt> so alt-e works for me as well, that makes starting a lot easier
[19:02] <harolddong> so just press alt-e to reload kdm if is borked?  was not aware of that
[19:02] <betinho> ppl, I just updated to ppa:backports on 9.1, and my accents stopped working in kde 4.4 ( but they do work on firefox )
[19:03] <OzoNe> betinho, same problem here, its because kde-l10n-* is not updated
[19:03] <OzoNe> maybe we need wait
[19:03] <anoneemouse> yay i got plasma back
[19:04] <ToxinPowe> OzoNe: or a qt-error like old versions o kde4
[19:04] <betinho> OzoNe: but kde-i10n is not for translations?
[19:04] <betinho> it's not for keyboard input.
[19:04] <lucypher> anoneemouse : what have you done?
[19:04] <betinho> yup, probably a Qt error.
[19:04] <OzoNe> betinho then I don't know what happen :S
[19:04] <anoneemouse> apt-get install plasma-desktop
[19:05] <OzoNe> betinho I think that someone should report
[19:05] <betinho> can you?
[19:06] <betinho> I always got lost on that bug reporting page.
[19:06] <OzoNe> I don't know how, and my english sux
[19:06] <betinho> and yet, we are talking here in english.
[19:06] <OzoNe> too easy english xD
[19:06] <ToxinPowe> me too
[19:06] <ToxinPowe> tarzan english :)
[19:06] <lucypher> anoneemouse : already installed and I've also tried to reinstall the package, I think that the problem is KDM, I've installed GDM and no crashes happenned
[19:07] <ubuntu> i have a question, i cannot get pass bye that screen when it asks you wich operatin system... what  sould i do? it stopped yesterday...
[19:07] <betinho> ubuntu: cry.
[19:07] <ubuntu> this is live version kubuntu, sould i try to install this?
[19:08] <xMine> awesome, black screen after grub
[19:08] <xMine> and a blinking cursor
[19:08] <ubuntu> hm... no one... i should have never left winxp
[19:08] <ubuntu> enoy your linux... it has no use
[19:09] <chfwiggum> haha
[19:09] <anoneemouse> i dont know lucypher, my update updated some packages but not others
[19:09] <anoneemouse> this caused bad crashes
[19:10] <dmatt> anoneemouse: use apt-get install dist-upgrade
[19:10] <xMine> what the fuck, i can't select something in the recovery menu. c'mon, this is linux not windows
[19:11] <darthanubis> !language | xMine
[19:11] <anoneemouse> thanks dmatt: thats not a bad idea
[19:11] <xMine> is it so hard to help a noob? really...
[19:12] <betinho> xMine: try
[19:12] <betinho> ctrl + alt + f4
[19:12] <betinho> it should place you in a terminal
[19:12] <betinho> then
[19:12] <betinho> ctrl + alt + f7
[19:12] <betinho> it *should* get you back to safety
[19:12] <xMine> black screen w/ blinking cursor
[19:13] <betinho> in ctrl + alt + f4?
[19:13] <xMine> yes
[19:13] <OzoNe> or Alt+E after reboot and black screen, it reload KDM
[19:13] <betinho> hm... I didn't know about Alt + E.
[19:14] <OzoNe> it works for me, if you are in the KDM tty
[19:14] <dmatt> works for me to
[19:14] <dmatt> too
[19:14] <xMine> when i boot normal i don't get a screen - only a black screen with a blinking cursor
[19:15] <xMine> i see a mouse cursor for a half second and then it disapperas again
[19:15] <xMine> i don't even have  a console
[19:15] <betinho> xMine: me too. but then I do a ctrl + alt + f1 - then a ctrl + alt + f7
[19:15] <betinho> and it works
[19:15] <betinho> this only with kde 4.4 tougth.
[19:15] <betinho> but I'm using kde 4.4 on another distro, and all I can think is 'ubuntu's fault'
[19:15] <OzoNe> betinho in another distro, accents are working OK?
[19:15] <xMine> the same screen on ctrl+alt+ f1 - f12 -.-
[19:16] <binarylooks> raindog: strange...cool, but strange :-)
[19:16] <xMine> when i have to reinstall it anyway, should i try the new lucid dreams beta? or karmic koala?
[19:16] <raindog> binarylooks: huh?
[19:16] <betinho> OzoNe: yup.
[19:17] <binarylooks> raindog: sorry, was for racecar56
[19:17] <betinho> xMine: I guess you should try another linux.
[19:17] <betinho> maybe mandriva.
[19:17] <xMine> mh, isn't ubuntu the best for linux beginners?
[19:17] <betinho> xMine: I don't get accents, and I'm not a beginner.
[19:18] <betinho> xMine: all of the big linuxes are now usable by beginners,
[19:18] <chfwiggum> xMine: you press the keys at the same time?
[19:18] <xMine> yes
[19:18] <anoneemouse> i wanna try this window tabbing thing... how do i do it?
[19:18] <lucypher> xMine: have you tried to change keyboard layout in systemsetting?
[19:18] <betinho> anoneemouse: click on the window with the middle mouse button and drag to the other window
[19:18] <betinho> lucypher: I did, and no accents whatsoever.
[19:19] <anoneemouse> betinho... tried that, doesnt do anything
[19:19] <xMine> no, i can't even got to that. even the secure mode thing is broken -.-
[19:19] <xMine> *go
[19:19] <inclement> anoneemouse: Make sure you are using the oxygen theme, that middle click on titlebar is defined as 'drag to tab mode' or similar, and middle click drag one window onto another
[19:19] <xMine> so, is there a "good" linux distro with the new kde 4.4?
[19:20] <inclement> xMine: It's only been released for a few hours, so I doubt there is any consensus right now
[19:21] <xMine> okay, i think then i'm gonna put the usb stick in again and reinstall ...
[19:21] <anoneemouse> inclement: i cant find the settings. I am using oxygen
[19:23] <xMine> can debian run kde 4.4?
[19:23] <inclement> xMine: Settings > Window behaviour > Window behaviour > Titlebar actions ?
[19:24] <inclement> Then the middle click option?
[19:24] <inclement> (Though I thought this was automatically set)
[19:24] <inclement> Also, is it oxygen both for main theme and for window settings? You have to set both ,that confused me
[19:25] <anoneemouse> awesome... its working. Thanks inclement
[19:25] <anoneemouse> now i can make mutant applications.... bwhahahaha
[19:26] <inclement> :)
[19:28] <xMine> does kde 4.4 run on lucid dream?
[19:31] <sverro2> xMine yes
[19:34] <xMine> okay ... then i have to download the iso haha...
[19:34] <oxymoron> Does someone has an explanation why I got black screen when KDE login? First SPlashimage and some noisy stripes and then it goes black. I goes ctr+alt+f* and then back with ctrl+art+f7 and works, why so? :S
[19:34] <xMine> or is there a command to upgrade from 9.10 to lucid dreams?
[19:34] <sverro2> xMine Sorry, I only read Lucid :) I don't know Lucid Dream
[19:35] <xMine> np - so there is no way to do this?
[19:37] <Armi^> hi all. Who can help me get kmail to work again? Akonadi doesnt seem to start up anymore (kde 4.4 sc)
[19:38] <benoitg> Armi^: Try: akonadictl stop; akonadictl start;
[19:38] <benoitg> Armi^: Paste the error to pastebin and the url here
[19:39] <inclement> oxymoron: Lots of people have this, including me. Seems to be a kdm issue. I hope it will be fixed soon, but don't nkow anything more
[19:39] <Armi^> benoitg: http://pastebin.org/90249
[19:39] <Armi^> there it is
[19:40] <Armi^> stopping it and starting it again isnt working (akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted!)
[19:42] <IppatsuMan> Hi all, I guess I'm not the only one who broke KDE by using the PPA Backports repository. The error reported by KDM is: "/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdm_greet: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN15QGraphicsObject16staticMetaObjectE" Is there any workaround or fix?
[19:42] <oxymoron> inclement: Alright, does somebody know why it is so or it is a big question mark for everyone? :P Its kind of sad, I thought KDE 4.4 would be perfect and flawless and KDM is messing :( First off i got som message on my screen that X-server tried to commmunicate through an unsyncronized mode or something like htat.
[19:43] <IppatsuMan> (if I run startx then kdeinit4 just says that the installation is broken and quits)
[19:45] <Tm_T> IppatsuMan: that sounds like you have broken installation
[19:45] <newbie123abc> Where is kde 4.4 rc3?
[19:46] <newbie123abc> sorry
[19:46] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc: meaning where it was tagged within the project's source tree? or you want the kubuntu packages?
[19:46] <newbie123abc> kde 4.4 was release
[19:46] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc: kde44 final for kubuntu? follow the links in the URL
[19:47] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc: meant channel topic ... or www.kubuntu.org
[19:47] <plan_rich_> hi there. i also updated to 4.4... the whole plasma desktop does not work and quits with error. Also there is a package conflict with klipper because of kdebase-workspace-data
[19:47] <newbie123abc> WaltzingAlong: but and ppa?
[19:47] <IppatsuMan> Tm_Tr: uhm, yes, I kinda already figured that out, the question is: how can I fix it?
[19:47] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc: yes it would be to add the kubuntu backports ppa
[19:47] <Armi^> benoitg: any luck
[19:47] <Armi^> ?
[19:48] <sverro2> Is there a place where I can download the 10.04 alpha 1
[19:48] <sverro2> ?
[19:48] <newbie123abc> WaltzingAlong: not released yet?
[19:50] <benoitg> Armi^: Sorry, doesn't look like any error I ever saw personally.
[19:51] <newbie123abc> How can i update to KDE 4.4 ?
[19:51] <Armi^> benoitg: ah ok, it was there a few days ago and i do not know what killed it
[19:52] <Armi^> well, will search the web some more
[19:52] <Armi^> thnx anyways :D
[19:53] <newbie123abc> plz
[19:53] <newbie123abc> help me
[19:53] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc: yes, you could. packages are available for kubuntu karmic
[19:53] <Armi^> newbie123abc: see http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.4
[19:54] <newbie123abc> WaltzingAlong: after "aptitude update" kde 4.3.95 persist
[19:54] <Armi^> newbie123abc: add the last line (ppa: ..... ) to your update sources
[19:58] <newbie123abc> Armi^: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/beta/ubuntu ?
[20:00] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc:    deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main
[20:02] <Armi^> newbie123abc: open 'system settings' (somewhere in the k menu) > 'add and remove software' > Settings > Edit software sources (and enter password) > Other software > Add > ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports > OK / Now update your system
[20:08] <WaltzingAlong> newbie123abc: getting it?
[20:11] <newbie123abc> WaltzingAlong: Armi^ : ok working fine. Thanks a lot.
[20:11] <Armi^> np ;)
[20:12] <xMine> cool, ubuntu keeps the data after a reinstall
[20:12] <WaltzingAlong> xMine: which info?
[20:13] <xMine> background and stuff
[20:13] <newbie123abc> WaltzingAlong: Armi^ : ok working fine. Thanks a lot.
[20:13] <newbie123abc> sorry 2x
[20:14] <Armi^> lol
[20:15] <sverro2> newbie123abc does it really work fine? not unstable?
[20:16] <Armi^> sverro2: i installed it too this evening and everything is running great. Only problem i have is that akonadi wont start, but that problem started a week ago
[20:16] <sverro2> Armi^ in 9.10 or 10.04
[20:16] <sverro2> ?
[20:17] <Armi^> 9.10
[20:17] <sverro2> Armi^ then I'll install it too. can't wait :)
[20:17] <Armi^> sverro2: good luck
[20:18] <sverro2> Armi^ thanks
[20:20] <sena---> hello everybody
[20:20] <sena---> i am trying to use wpa_supplicant v 0.5.8 on my kubuntu 8.04 and i get strange behaviour that i could not solve after a lot of searching and reading
[20:21] <sena---> if i try to connect to my wpa encrypted ap with wpa_supplicant it connects - everything is fine
[20:21] <sena---> f i change my mac with macchanger it doed not connect
[20:21] <sena---> and I get this error
[20:21] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/476853
[20:22] <sena---> Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out
[20:22] <sena---> anyone any idea?
[20:24] <xMine> where can i see which kde version i'm using?
[20:24] <ToxinPowe> Help, About KDE
[20:25] <xMine> ty
[20:27] <sverro2> Armi^ can I just add the repository and update?
[20:27] <xMine> so.... when will be there the final kde 4.4?
[20:27] <WaltzingAlong> sverro2: yes
[20:28] <WaltzingAlong> xMine: packages are available now for kubuntu
[20:28] <xMine> in which repo?
[20:28] <sverro2> WaltzingAlong, ok thanks, thats really easy
[20:28] <xMine> oh, a new grub version
[20:28] <e_t_> Are other people having a problem with KDM at login?
[20:28] <xMine> me
[20:29] <WaltzingAlong> xMine: can you view the channel topic from there? or check out the link at www.kubuntu.org
[20:29] <WaltzingAlong> e_t_: yes
[20:29] <e_t_> What's going on with that?
[20:31] <igor_> hello everybody. after upgrade to 4.4 when loading x-server appear colored artifacts. After restart the x-server work fine, anyone any idea?
[20:32] <xMine> why are there blocked updates? should i not install these or what about them?
[20:33] <sverro2> WaltzingAlong, I've got 71 blocked updates in kpackagekit
[20:33] <WaltzingAlong> sverro2: ok
[20:34] <sverro2> WaltzingAlong, perhaps it will work with "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[20:35] <WaltzingAlong> sverro2: could try it. i prefer aptitude, but as you like
[20:35] <dmatt> hello, I filed bug for KDM login problem, if you experience it please write so in https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226392
[20:36] <WaltzingAlong> blocked updates - newer version available, required dependencies for newer version not available
[20:36] <dmatt> sverro2: sudo apt-get install dist-upgrade
[20:36] <sverro2> dmatt, thanks
[20:37] <Armi^> dmaat sverro2 : I prefer the aptitude command instead of the apt-get command
[20:37] <dmatt> Armi^: yes, aptitude upgrade should work too
[20:38] <Armi^> aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
[20:38] <sverro2> Armi^, I don't know how aptitude actualy works. I really must learn it. Can't be too difficult
[20:38] <Armi^> is my live motto ;P
[20:38] <xMine> what key is SYSRQ ?
[20:40] <Koenji-Hyakkei> same as print screen
[20:40] <xMine> ah, okay
[20:40] <Armi^> sverro2: aptitude has only one command. For example: aptitude search (apt-cache search); aptitude update (apt-get update); enz
[20:41] <OzoNe> dmat it seems that the problem is only in kubuntu, so kde.org is not the site for report that bug
[20:41] <Armi^> sverro2: just type ' man aptitude '
[20:41] <Armi^> sverro2: handeles dependencies better alsio
[20:42] <dmatt> OzoNe: I asked without answer on kubuntu devel, how to report it
[20:42] <sverro2> Armi^, that's nice indeed :) Thanks for the "man aptitude"
[20:42] <dmatt> OzoNe: where shoul I report it then?
[20:42] <OzoNe> dmatt, launchpad.net I think, but I don't know really
[20:43] <dmatt> it is from backports and that is not supported afaik
[20:45] <sverro2> Armi^ I've upgraded, so perhaps, I ll write again :) I reboot NOW
[20:45] <Armi^> sverro2: good luck again ;)
[20:47] <dmatt> nobody but kubuntu users have this KDM bug?
[20:47] <benoitg> dmatt: Good question
[20:47] <Armi^> dmatt: what bug?
[20:49] <xMine> YES, i have KDE 4.4 now
[20:49] <Armi^> He just found out my concoles are all fuzzy (ctrl-alt-F1
[20:49] <xMine> just did apt-get update & dist-upgrade before restart
[20:49] <dmatt> Armi^: empty black page instead of login page - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226392
[20:50] <sverro2> Armi^ I am back again. Wow, thanks a lot. KDE 4.4 is awesome :)
[20:50] <Armi^> sverro2: have fun :D
[20:51] <Armi^> dmatt: no bug here. But do you get a prompt when going to another tty?
[20:51] <Armi^> I only get weird colors
[20:51] <dmatt> Armi^: me the same
[20:52] <Armi^> k
[20:53] <igor_> Armi^: I get weird colors too in kde4.4()
[20:55] <racecar57> pidgin refuses to minimize into my indicator applet when i close it, but instead of minimizing like normal, the whole thing shuts down. why?
[20:55] <racecar57> also, i wonder why i am racecar57...i'm racecar56...
[20:57] <Guest39931> OK i got that fixed...
[20:57] <Guest39931> wait...what??? now im a guet
[20:57] <Guest39931> *guest
[21:00] <jrmy> salut
[21:00] <jrmy> besoin d'aide
[21:01] <WaltzingAlong> salut
[21:01] <WaltzingAlong> jrmy: in english or
[21:01] <WaltzingAlong> !fr | jrmy
[21:01] <WaltzingAlong> please
[21:01] <jrmy> beh laissé tombé j'aime pas l'anglais xd
[21:08] <josef_> hallo
[21:09] <sahk0> hi, trying to update to KDE 4.4 i added PPA in my sources list but i get a whole bunch of blocked updates. how do i deal with that?
[21:09] <sahk0> im using 9.10
[21:11] <sahk0> WaltzingAlong: you got to be kidding me. a notice?
[21:11] <sverro2> sahk0 open terminal and type ¨ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade¨
[21:11] <sahk0> WaltzingAlong told me to sudo aptitude -y full-upgrade
[21:12] <sahk0> which seems better
[21:13] <WaltzingAlong> sahk0: either should work. i prefer aptitude
[21:13] <Ahox_> Hi, when running virtuosoconverter I get an Could not find a valid Virtuoso installation, any ideas why?
[21:13] <sahk0> those two do the same?
[21:14] <WaltzingAlong> sahk0: very similar, yes
[21:14] <WaltzingAlong> sahk0: you could also use aptitude with dist-upgrade, but full-upgrade is preferred
[21:15] <sahk0> yeah read the man page
[21:15] <sahk0> thanks, im gonna go with yours
[21:15] <sahk0> hope it doesnt die
[21:15] <WaltzingAlong> sahk0: and no, not kidding you. yes it was a notice
[21:16] <sahk0> youre probably the first "normal" person to sent me a notice on freenode
[21:16] <sahk0> is that common practice around here?
[21:17] <WaltzingAlong> not sure about normal or not
[21:17] <sahk0> by normal i meant not spammer, moron, younameit
[21:18] <WaltzingAlong> we have not yet established that i am not a moron ;)
[21:19] <sahk0> hah :) yeah i guess i will have to reboot to figure that part out. but thanks for the reply
[21:19] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[21:22] <sahk0> ftr i port all that stuff to the status window so chances are i wouldnt have noticed the notice :p
[21:22] <sahk0> wow its gonna be an hour
[21:23] <WaltzingAlong> gives you something to look forward to
[21:28] <ziggy> any dolphin gurus here?
[21:33] <WaltzingAlong> ziggy: not kubuntu specific questions about dolphin could probably be asked in #kde
[21:33] <darthanubis> !ask | ziggy
[21:36] <ziggy> i dont know if its kubuntu specific or not...but i have an external drive formatted for a mac, and i cant paste files to it through dolphin, any ideas what im dong wrong?
[21:37] <WaltzingAlong> ziggy: might need to look at hfs tools
[21:38] <ziggy> hfs tools?
[21:38] <ziggy> ok, thanks
[21:39] <WaltzingAlong> !info hfsutils | ziggy
[21:40] <ziggy> thanks waltzing
[21:40] <WaltzingAlong> cheers
[21:41] <Toph> how do i tell which version of KDE I'm running?
[21:41] <racecar56> Toph: open a KDE program (like konqueror)
[21:42] <racecar56> Toph: and click help and click about kde
[21:42] <Toph> racecar56: ok,, thanks
[21:42] <racecar56> Toph: any time :]
[21:43] <Toph> i thought i had updated to KDE 4.4, but I see I'm still with 4.3.2
[21:43] <WaltzingAlong> Toph: have you reloaded kde since then?
[21:44] <Toph> WaltzingAlong: yes, i restarted my computer
[21:44] <ToxinPowe> Toph: use add-apt-repository and apt-get update
[21:45] <ToxinPowe> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[21:47] <Toph> i did:  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta        sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:47] <ToxinPowe> and your packages were installed?
[21:47] <varisitee> hello
[21:47] <ToxinPowe> dpkg -l|grep kde
[21:51] <Toph> ToxinPowe: that produced a good number of hits ,  but i don't see 4.4 included
[21:51] <Toph> ToxinPowe: that produced a good number of hits ,  but i don't see 4.4 included
[21:52] <ToxinPowe> Toph: then you didn't install 4.4
[21:53] <ToxinPowe> apt-get -f install?
[21:53] <ToxinPowe> or dpkg --configure -a if you had problems with the upgrade
[21:53] <Toph> so what is the command to install?
[21:54] <ToxinPowe> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, but maybe your install don't finish
[21:54] <kubian> Toph: if u want 4.4 add the ppa:backports not beta in karmic
[21:56] <Toph> kubian: ok,, good point
[21:57] <ToxinPowe> ups, sorry then I was wrong
[21:57] <kubian> Toph: shud be ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:58] <Toph> ok,, thanks
[21:58] <kubian> no problema
[22:00] <ubuntu> #ubuntu-es
[22:08] <twoten> I'm trying to install kubuntu 9.10 from my cd, but it keeps dropping me into a console and asking me to run root commands
[22:08] <twoten> I've switched on noapic and nolapic and safe graphics mode but always the same thing
[22:09] <twoten> I have an nvidia 7600, it should be recognized, what gives?
[22:10] <raindog> I'm using 4.4 from backports.  I have apparently deleted all activities and I can't get to the corner cashew to create one.  Any suggestions?
[22:10] <twoten> it won't boot into live cd mode, and it won't install directly from the boot menu
[22:10] <raindog> Rather the corner cashew is not there.
[22:11] <twoten> I've never heard of corner cashew, the urge to make nut jokes is strong
[22:12] <twoten> seems like these kubuntuans have better things to do than help a retard like me
[22:13] <raindog> twoten: It may take awhile.
[22:13] <twoten> I'm losing I.Q. points just sitting here waiting
[22:14] <twoten> when my slobber hits the keyboard you'll know by my string of gibberish
[22:14] <Torch> raindog: deleting (or moving away) all files $HOME/.kde/share/config/plasma* should reset that
[22:15] <Torch> raindog: of course you need to do that while plasma is not running
[22:15] <raindog> Torch: Thanks for the help.  I should have thought of that.  :)
[22:16] <twoten> mmm erf uhhn mep
[22:16] <dmatt> twoten: what exactly does it says and when?
[22:18] <twoten> the farthest I get is doing the direct install, it says a percentage and setting the time by network time server, gets to 30%, says it is detecting file systems, then hangs up there, when I press a key I get a console
[22:20] <twoten> when I try startx it X can't start because no screens found
[22:22] <dmatt> twoten: start live cd mode and start instalation from terminal then watch for errors
[22:23] <twoten> is there a log file that I can less if I need to read back a few screens?
[22:24] <dmatt> twoten: should be, but I do not know where
[22:24] <twoten> okay, I'm off to reboot, I'll power up my second box and come back to irc from there
[22:30] <JDahl> how do I install KDE 4.4 from karmic backports? I have backports enabled, but I don't see any KDE 4.4 packages, and apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade anything
[22:31] <ToxinPowe> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[22:32] <Galvatron> Hi
[22:32] <Galvatron> Just installed Kubuntu 9.10 and upgraded KDE to 4.4 and theres a serious problem
[22:33] <Galvatron> After system loading
[22:34] <Galvatron> Sorry
[22:34] <Galvatron> I write like an analphabet
[22:34] <Torch> Galvatron: try ONE line ;-)
[22:35] <Galvatron> Just after loading the system, a screen blinks and there are colorful squared/rectangles/stripes (like artifacts) instead of login screen
[22:35] <dasen> kde 4.4 rocks!!
[22:35] <dmatt> Galvatron: welcome to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226392
[22:36] <dmatt> Galvatron: most likely
[22:37] <Torch> sounds more like a kubuntu problem than a kde bug, though.
[22:37] <Galvatron> Perhaps I should try reinstalling KDM?
[22:38] <dmatt> Galvatron: I filed that bug and if you read it, I tried that, there are also workarounds listed
[22:38] <Torch> Galvatron: i had the same effect on lucid when the packages weren't all uploaded by the kubuntu guys, so maybe that will help.
[22:39] <dmatt> Torch: it works when you restart kdm with ALT-E
[22:39] <zuzka_> hi
[22:39] <Torch> dmatt: it works for me on lucid now that all packages are there.
[22:40] <Torch> dmatt: just by installing the missing ones.
[22:40] <Galvatron> When do I hit Alt + E?
[22:41] <twoten> I'm back, now talking to you from my dual xeon server box
[22:41] <dmatt> Torch: Were you able to login using alternative method?
[22:41] <Galvatron> When the "artifacts" appear?
[22:41] <Torch> dmatt: didn't even try. i knew it was a packaging problem, so why waste time?
[22:41] <dmatt> Galvatron: yes, it restarts KDM
[22:41] <Galvatron> One more issue
[22:41] <zuzka_> i had kubuntu installed, then installed windows 7. now i need to restore the bootloader, any hints?
[22:41] <Galvatron> Seems like the desktop isnt loading fully
[22:42] <twoten> I'm back, now talking to you from my dual xeon server box
[22:42] <dmatt> Torch: well I updated morning, updated again in evening and the problem persists
[22:42] <Galvatron> Theres no default wallpaper and right-click doesn't work
[22:43] <Torch> dmatt: on lucid the problem was that the theme for kdm was missing. maybe this is the case for you guys on karmic, too.
[22:43] <dmatt> Galvatron: check if you have any updates held back
[22:44] <twoten> so I selected boot into livecd, with safe graphics, noapic and nolapic, it dropped into a console, at the top I get stdin: error 0
[22:44] <twoten> shadow passwords are now on
[22:44] <Galvatron> Just tried sudo aptitude update --> full-upgrade and there's nothing
[22:45] <twoten> copying package lists
[22:45] <twoten> I don't want to go back to Windows 98
[22:45] <Galvatron> But I'm sure that installation isn't complete
[22:46] <Galvatron> I had similar desktop issue with Jaunty, after lame "safe-upgrade"
[22:46] <dmatt> Galvatron: try to reinstall kubuntu desktop
[22:46] <dmatt> kubuntu-desktop
[22:46] <Galvatron> Done
[22:46] <dmatt> and plasma-desktop
[22:47] <Galvatron> Done
[22:48] <Galvatron> How can I activate Alt + Ctrl + Backspace in KDE 4.4?
[22:48] <dmatt> Torch: I doubt wrong packaging if it works for other people and I waited 12 hours to be sure all files are on the server
[22:48] <Galvatron> There's no "Keyboard ayout"
[22:50] <twoten> oh no, I remember now, I had to install 8.04 on this box first, then do a distro upgrade to 9.10
[22:51] <twoten> is that what I will have to do on the other machine too?
[22:51] <Galvatron> Why can't you just use 9.10 CD?
[22:51] <twoten> it craps out before I can install or even get livecd to run
[22:52] <dmatt> Galvatron: I have two system trays - but I messed with .kde folder when trying to repair install
[22:52] <Galvatron> Brb
[22:53] <Galvatron> I'll reboot and check my KDM
[22:58] <Galvatron> All right
[22:58] <Galvatron> Reinstalling plasma/kubuntu-desktop solved the desktop issue
[22:58] <zuzka_> hi
[22:58] <zuzka_> i had KUBUNU installed first, then installed Windows 7
[22:59] <Galvatron> And it orverwrote MBR...
[22:59] <Galvatron> Right?
[22:59] <zuzka_> sure. now i downloaded the install iso of kubuntu 9.10, but cant seem to boot from it
[23:00] <zuzka_> any ideas why? when i try to boot "Boot without changes to system" or "check cd for defects".... there is just a cursor blinking. nothing happens
[23:01] <twoten> sounds like my machine, are you hiding in my basement?
[23:02] <zuzka_> nope
[23:03] <zuzka_> is it safe to boot via something else, then overwrite grub?
[23:03] <zuzka_> or should i try to install NEOBOOT software
[23:04] <zuzka_> or whatever it is called
[23:04] <Galvatron> Nope
[23:04] <zuzka_> please help, i am stuck in windows(!!!)
[23:04] <Galvatron> Just run the LiveCD and recover GRUB
[23:05] <zuzka_> like i was saying, there is just blinking cursor when i try to
[23:06] <zuzka_> one option that works is "check memory".... havent tried the option "install the system"
[23:06] <Galvatron> http://www.google.pl/search?hl=pl&client=opera&rls=en&hs=xdi&q=recover+GRUB&btnG=Szukaj&lr=&aq=f&oq=
[23:07] <twoten> I seem to remember using apt-get to install mc, then using that to change the xorg.conf file
[23:08] <zuzka_> brb
[23:13] <kmitchner> im having a bash scripting problem.. sed keeps stealing my ; in this command:      find ./test/*/statistics -name logs -exec echo "{}.`date +%Y%m%d.%H%M`" | sed s/\//./g | sed s/^..//g \;
[23:15] <dmatt> zuzka_: how did you install linux before? the same medium should not stop to be bootable unless it broke in the meantime
[23:30] <[GuS]> Hi guys, i have a problem with keyboard layout since upgraded to kde4.4... I use spanish and i cant type correctly this: ´a
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/520408
[23:33] <[GuS]> so, JontheEchidna which fix do you suggest so i cant type correctly dead keys again?
[23:33] <[GuS]> installing ibus ?
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> dunno, I don't really use deadkeys
[23:34] <Torch> kmitchner: you're not really expecting anyone here to debug that for you? ;-))
[23:34] <kmitchner> already got my answer hehe
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> [GuS]: thinking about it, the reason things broke is probably because the lucid packaging that the backports were based off of are expected ibus
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> so that would probably be a good eay to fix it
[23:34] <kmitchner> brain fart, totally didnt realize i couldnt pipe in a find like that.. idiot moment
[23:35] <[GuS]> yeah, it seems
[23:35] <[GuS]> i will test if that fix this...
[23:37] <zuzka_> is it possible my linux live cd wont boot because the cpu is 32 bit and the image 64?
[23:37] <dmatt> zuzka_: definitely
[23:38] <zuzka_> i dont actually know if the cpu is 32b
[23:38] <zuzka_> it is amd turion 64 mt-32
[23:39] <zuzka_> however, i dont get how i could have installed windows 7 64 bits on it
[23:41] <ddfire> hi
[23:42] <ddfire> i installed kde 4.4 and its crash
[23:43] <ddfire> any one have the same issue?
[23:44] <dmatt> ddfire: is it similar to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226392 ?
[23:44] <rmrfslash> Anyone else have like 58 blocked updates when updating kpackagekit since yesterday?
[23:44] <rmrfslash> what do I do about these?
[23:44] <dmatt> zuzka_: how did you install linux before? the same medium should not stop to be bootable unless it broke in the meantime
[23:45] <ddfire> dmatt: nope it said plasma decorator crash
[23:46] <ddfire> i get the black screen
[23:46] <ddfire> too
[23:47] <ddfire> and i have auto login so some apps start like pidgin and skype
[23:47] <comawhite> is there a way to get kdevelop4 updated to 3.9.97?
[23:47] <rmrfslash> is it safe to ignore em?
[23:47] <comawhite> it's currently is 2 beta versions behind
[23:48] <Torch> comawhite: there is.
[23:48] <Torch> comawhite: you should read the planet from time to time ;-)
[23:48] <comawhite> I do but probably overlooked it
[23:48] <Torch> comawhite: just a second.
[23:48] <comawhite> okie dokie
[23:49] <dmatt> ddfire: hm, autologin skips login page, so the problem happens some time later
[23:49] <ddfire> any one get an error on kde 4.4 about decorator crash?
[23:49] <ddfire> dmatt: any solution?
[23:49] <Torch> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/daniele.domenichelli/backports/ubuntu karmic main
[23:49] <Torch> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/daniele.domenichelli/backports/ubuntu karmic main
[23:49] <Torch> comawhite: add this to your sources
[23:49] <comawhite> thanks mate
[23:49] <dmatt> what is the exact message?
[23:49] <Torch> comawhite: gerne geschehen
[23:50] <comawhite> Danke
[23:50] <Torch> comawhite: very good ;-)
[23:51] <[GuS]> JontheEchidna: the fix suggested in the bug report (in the last entry) didnt fixed the problem for me :(
[23:51] <comawhite> Torch: I suck at German, wish I had mates that could help me with it =[
[23:52] <Torch> comawhite: you have all of that other channel to help you with... that should suffice!
[23:52] <ddfire> dmatt: i think this is the bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226263 i am doing what it said
[23:52] <comawhite> Torch: I mean verbally not text wise
[23:53] <Torch> comawhite: just fly over here. there's a kde release party on saturday in karlsruhe ;-)
[23:53] <comawhite> Torch: only if I had money
[23:55] <comawhite> Torch: well I have a $300 plane vouncher but I don't know if it's for international
[23:56] <jrmy> bonjour
[23:56] <comawhite> Hallo! Wie geht es dir?
[23:56] <jrmy> hein ?
[23:57] <jrmy> do yo speek french N
[23:57] <jrmy> ?
[23:57] <comawhite> no
[23:57] <jrmy> merde
[23:57] <jrmy> -_-'
[23:57] <tsimpson> !fr
[23:57] <comawhite> french is way to complicated
[23:57] <comawhite> xD
[23:58]  * Torch wonders if this works for comawhite:
[23:58] <Torch> !de
[23:58] <Torch> ... it does ;-)