[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #165093 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[nvidia-glx-new] Xorg crashes with /usr/bin/X(FontFileCompleteXLFD+0x1e1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165093
[05:42] <tjaalton> soren: oh, glad that it worked
[05:42] <tjaalton> soren: btw, you seem to have the same keyboard/mouse as I do (bought it this Saturday) :)
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #165117 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (multiverse) "Broken Image/Road Overlays on Google Earth" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165117
[15:26] <ubotu> New bug: #165189 in xorg (main) "cannot switch VTs from bulletproof-X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165189
[17:01] <ScislaC> tjaalton: was it your xorg-driver-fglrx debs that ended up hitting the repos for Hardy?
[17:06] <ScislaC> I still get the watermark in the bottom right corner, and for the most part everything in my Xorg.0.log looks fine... the only things I wonder about are the lines that say "No signature file" and "AMD Video Driver is unsigned".
[17:06] <ScislaC> btw... hi all :)
[17:39] <bryce> heya ScislaC
[17:40] <ScislaC> hi bryce! how goes in X land?
[17:41] <bryce> I've been thanksgiving-ing the past few days so am not sure myself
[17:42] <ScislaC> hehehe
[17:42]  * ScislaC nods
[17:42] <ScislaC> yeah, I think I've hit my turkey quota for the rest of the year
[17:45] <bryce> we tossed the rest in the freezer yesterday
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #165002 in xorg (main) "Installing new PCI device breaks X" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165002
[19:47] <tjaalton> hey dudes
[19:47] <tjaalton> ScislaC: maybe the driver is just buggy
[19:57]  * bryce waves
[20:01] <tjaalton> hey bryce
[20:01] <bryce> http://news.launchpad.net/general/inkscape-moving-to-launchpad
[20:03] <tjaalton> yeah, xcb-1.1 built already
[20:04] <tjaalton> and radeonhd, nv synced
[20:09] <ScislaC> tjaalton: well, if you get bored in the coming weeks and want to give the newer one (Catalyst 7.11) a shot, I'd be happy to test it before you up it to the repo
[20:10] <tjaalton> maybe when hardy gets a new kernel
[20:12] <tjaalton> "catalyst 7.11" is just marketing, the driver itself is 8.43 :)
[20:15] <ScislaC> tjaalton: New kernel makes sense... as for version numbering, yeah, I know... but I want to roll with what it's officially called :)
[20:59] <ScislaC> tjaalton: fyi, the following got rid of the watermark for me. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3843078&postcount=3
[21:02] <bryce> yeah, I think there might also be a build option that turns it off
[21:02] <bryce> I was thinking we should incorporate that into our build scripts
[21:02] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, did you commit the lrm changes into the kernel team's git?
[21:06] <ScislaC> bryce: so now I know the driver works :)   Now to see if I can get XGL working again :D (since aiglx doesn't work with that driver and the newest xserver)
[21:08] <bryce> cool
[21:22] <tjaalton> bryce: it's not in the git
[21:23] <tjaalton> ScislaC: it should work
[21:24] <ScislaC> tjaalton: I'll be the judge of that ;) just unpacking a large tar, then I will restart X
[21:26] <tormod> hi, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Patches originally meant for backports to 1.4 (Hardy) or 1.3 (Gutsy) as well?
[21:28] <tormod> maybe we should have a Gutsy field and a Hardy field? Or some way to tag where the patch is nominated for?
[21:35] <bryce> good idea
[21:35] <bryce> heya tormod btw, good to see ya
[21:36] <tormod> hi bryce
[21:36] <bryce> yeah that page was set up originally just for Gutsy backports, but it certainly can be extended if you'd like
[21:36] <tormod> well I see some patches are well commented about SRUs
[21:36] <bryce> yeah I'm going to try pushing on those a bit today
[21:37] <bryce> I'd like to clear out that page, I don't think there's as much pressure for gutsy backports of the fixes as I anticipated
[21:43] <tjaalton> bryce: your merge-status page isn't updating, it shouldn't have separate apps anymore ;)
[21:44] <bryce> hrm
[21:44] <tjaalton> ScislaC: doesn't work?
[21:44] <ScislaC> nope... xgl is a no go here... going to look at logs
[21:44] <tjaalton> oh, I meant aiglx
[21:45] <ScislaC> ah, no... aiglx does not work with the newest xserver according to many reports on phoronix and my own experience of it not doing what it should (yes I whitelisted fglrx for compiz and all that jazz)
[21:45] <ScislaC> or... let me say
[21:45] <tjaalton> do you have a link?
[21:46] <ScislaC> FGLRX 8.42 does not use AIGLX correctly with the new version
[21:46] <ScislaC> give me a couple mins to dig up
[21:46] <bryce> hmm, you're right - last update was the 20th.  I'll start capturing logs on it.  meanwhile I'm doing a manual update now
[21:46] <tjaalton> ok, nice to know that it's the driver failing :)
[21:46] <bryce> bbiab (lunch)
[21:49] <tjaalton> ScislaC: btw, I misread your original issue.. I thought you had some corruption on the screen or similar
[21:49] <ScislaC> no no... it was just the watermark originally :)
[21:49] <ScislaC> tjaalton: here's a thread that discusses it http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=37328
[21:49] <tjaalton> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449117
[21:49] <ubotu> Debian bug 449117 in fglrx-driver "fglrx-driver: Corruption in the lower right corner with 8.42.3" [Important,Open]
[21:50] <tjaalton> that's why it sounded familiar
[21:50] <tjaalton> thanks, I'll read
[21:50] <ScislaC> I've seen a few threads on phoronix mention the aiglx and xserver-xorg version issue too... so the compiz thread isn't alone
[21:51] <ScislaC> tjaalton: as for that bug, yes, I have seen the corruption twice there... once when I had the watermark, and the other today after I removed the watermark
[22:01] <tjaalton> ScislaC: ok, let's wait for the next release then
[22:02]  * ScislaC nods
[22:02] <ScislaC> tjaalton: I've seen mixed reports of 8.43 fixing the aiglx issue
[22:02] <ScislaC> I'll keep you posted either way, just because it's good to have more info rather than less :)
[22:06] <tjaalton> well, if there is going to be a 2.6.24rc kernel for the alpha, we are forced to update fglrx :/
[22:07] <tjaalton> or :)
[22:13] <tjaalton> I wonder if libx11 needs a rebuild because of the new libxcb
[22:14] <jcristau> eh? there's no soname change
[22:15] <ScislaC> tjaalton: just curious, with stuff like xserver-xgl, is that just the automatic merge from debian, or is the ubuntu X team doing stuff like that?
[22:25] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh, right
[22:26] <tjaalton> ScislaC: could you rephrase that?
[22:31] <tjaalton> ScislaC: you mean if xserver-xgl is packaged by ubuntu?
[22:32] <tjaalton> seems to be the case
[22:37] <ScislaC> tjaalton: let me ask the real question... :)   In Gutsy, if XGL was installed, gdm would automatically start a session with it. I'm just wondering if that was part of the xserver-xgl package or a gdm thing, or what. Mainly I wonder because it doesn't start an XGL session (even though it's still installed) with all the new xorg/xserver stuff.
[22:38] <tjaalton> see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/98xserver-xgl_start-server
[22:39] <tjaalton> which is from xserver-xgl
[22:39] <tjaalton> I'd just get rid of xgl ;)
[22:39] <tjaalton> like, completely
[22:40] <bryce> tjaalton: hmm, versions page updated, but the old packages haven't dropped off
[22:40] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html
[22:40] <tjaalton> is it because of gutsy still being listed?
[22:41] <bryce> hmm, it shouldn't.  let me poke a bit
[22:42] <bryce> appres is one that should be disappeared now, yes?
[22:43] <bryce> aha, found the issue
[22:45] <bryce> (the chroot wasn't getting apt-get update'd)
[22:45] <tjaalton> hehe
[22:45] <bryce> ok regenning.  thanks for catching the problem
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #165282 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "laptop freezes after log out with Intel 855GM graphic chip" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/165282
[22:47] <tjaalton> there should be a couple of apps left which are not in x11* bundles, and are probably worth dropping completely
[22:47] <tjaalton> although there is a debian bug about adding beforelight
[22:48]  * bryce nods
[22:48] <bryce> page is refreshed now
[22:48] <bryce> I bet we could drop beforelight and no one would care
[22:49] <bryce> woow, look at all the green :-)
[22:50] <tjaalton> yeah :)
[22:50] <tjaalton> apps are still listed though :)
[22:51] <bryce> do you know if the -evdev package pre-1.2.0, or post-1.2.0?
[22:51] <bryce> er ^is^
[22:51] <tjaalton> pre, but new enough
[22:54] <tjaalton> actually, 1.2.0 breaks all evdev setups that doesn't use input-hotplug
[22:54] <bryce> hmm, there doesn't seem to be much recent activity on -avivo.  I wonder if it's still relevant, or if we should think of deprecating it?
[22:55] <tormod> I don't think avivo makes any sense any longer.
[22:55] <tjaalton> right
[22:55] <tjaalton> soon radeonhd faces the same destiny :)
[22:56] <bryce> what's going to replace radeonhd?
[22:56] <tormod> what about -mga, should we file a sync request?
[22:56] <tjaalton> stuff being merged in -ati
[22:56] <tjaalton> atombios stuff
[22:56] <bryce> tjaalton: ahhhh nice
[22:56] <bryce> tormod: not a bad idea
[22:56] <tjaalton> you mean 1.9.100?
[22:56] <bryce> yeah
[22:56] <tormod> tjaalton: yes
[22:56] <bryce> I see it's in experimental
[22:57] <tjaalton> check the bugs first :)
[22:57] <bryce> maybe it'll sync over on its own once it's out of experimental?
[22:57] <tjaalton> yes
[22:57] <tormod> bryce: yes
[22:57] <bryce> ah
[22:58] <ScislaC> where can I find a list of cards that -ati currently supports? (the version in the repo)
[22:58] <bryce> any interesting stories with -sis?
[22:58] <bryce> ScislaC: I'm not sure there's a published list, but if you apt-get the source, you could look in the pci id file to check what's advertised as supported
[22:59] <tormod> bryce: I think 0.9.3-6 is almost as good as 0.9.4
[22:59] <bryce> anyway, that short list of outstanding merges is pretty dang short!  I'm impressed
[23:00] <ScislaC> maybe I'll just break my stuff real quick to test instead ;)
[23:00] <ScislaC> brb
[23:01] <tjaalton> too fast :)
[23:01] <tjaalton> his X1xx surely isn't supported
[23:02] <tormod> :) he could have just asked
[23:05] <tjaalton> yeah
[23:08] <bryce> nah, he loves testing this stuff
[23:11] <bryce> what's the difference between -dbg and -dbgsym?
[23:12] <jcristau> the latter is ubuntu-specific and exists for all packages, aiui
[23:12] <tormod> bryce: I think -dbg is when the source package makes it and -dbgsym when it's built separately
[23:13] <tormod> but I think packages should be fixed to not build -dbg.
[23:13] <tormod> hmm I asked about this here or somewhere else but don't remember the answer :)
[23:14] <bryce> ah interesting
[23:15] <bryce> I kind of like it when packages have -dbg's -- makes it simpler to build both versions for testers
[23:16] <tormod> yes but there is just a package to install that will always make dbgsym's using a hook in debian/rules
[23:17] <tjaalton> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam/2007-March/000215.html
[23:18] <tjaalton> so there are no user-installable packages called $pkg-dbgsym
[23:18] <tjaalton> but some have $pkg-dbg
[23:18] <tormod> I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyDebugPackageRemoval
[23:19] <bryce> huh, interesting
[23:20] <bryce> ok, in any case, that's enough to answer the user's question, thanks.
[23:21] <ScislaC> well... no -ati for me... but radeonhd works okay. All that matters is that I have a semi-working driver that doesn't peg one of my cores (as the new fglrx does)
[23:22] <bryce>  brb
[23:22] <bryce> <-- ScislaC has quit ("Leaving.")
 too fast :)
[23:22] <bryce>  his X1xx surely isn't supported
 :) he could have just asked
[23:22] <bryce> ;-)
[23:22] <ScislaC> hehehe
[23:22] <tormod> what card do you have?
[23:22] <ScislaC> mobility X1400
[23:24] <tormod> ScislaC: you could try the atombios branch of -ati git...
[23:24] <tjaalton> 01:21 < ScislaC> well... no -ati for me... but radeonhd works okay
[23:24] <tjaalton> but yeah, why not try that as well :)
[23:24] <tormod> when "okay" is too boring :)
[23:25] <ScislaC> heh... okay is always too boring ;)
[23:25] <tjaalton> "I can see something moving on the screen.. I'll try git head instead"
[23:25] <ScislaC> heh
[23:26] <ScislaC> you want to point me to the url? (also, is there a recommended way to install so that I don't fudge repo updates?)
[23:29] <ScislaC> okay then...
[23:29] <ScislaC> apparently this driver is a little buggy :P
[23:29] <tjaalton> \o/
[23:29] <tjaalton> more fun
[23:30] <ScislaC> I tried to start something that required acceleration, but, it died...
[23:31] <ScislaC> I so wish I had stuck with the intel graphics chip instead of going for the ati... :(
[23:32] <ScislaC> oh well... one more person to help you guys test stuff ;)
[23:32] <ScislaC> oh hey... didn't even notice keescook in here :)
[23:32]  * keescook waves "hi" to ScislaC :)
[23:32] <ScislaC> heya keescook! how goes in security land?
[23:33] <keescook> goes okay.  still need more hours in the day.  :)
[23:33] <keescook> how're you doing?
[23:34] <ScislaC> doing okay... the funny thing? I'm also still having that hours in the day problem. ;)
[23:34] <keescook> hehe
[23:38] <tormod> ScislaC: http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati.git;a=shortlog;h=atombios-support
[23:39] <tormod> ScislaC: for how to make debs out of it, do something like http://wiki.debian.org/XTips
[23:42] <jcristau> or just run autogen.sh && make and copy the resulting radeon_drv.so in /usr/lib/xorg/modules
[23:46] <bryce> heya keescook
[23:46] <keescook> hiya bryce
[23:51] <ScislaC> tormod: pardon my git stupidity... when I do a git clone git://git.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati, I don't seem to get the AtomBios stuff with it... (and I don't believe I need everything on a higher level from the git repo either, but may be wrong about that)
[23:52] <tormod> you have to change to the atombios branch
[23:52] <jcristau> ScislaC: you need to checkout the atombios-support branch after the clone
[23:52] <jcristau> git-checkout -b atombios-support origin/atombios-support
[23:57] <ScislaC> hmmm not quite getting it yet (still new to git)... have to run and will try tomorrow...
[23:57] <ScislaC> bbl


[06:40] <cgoldberg> thomi, can I haz review?  both are short
[06:40] <cgoldberg> https://code.launchpad.net/~coreygoldberg/autopilot/deps-remove-py33-mock/+merge/220205
[06:40] <cgoldberg> https://code.launchpad.net/~coreygoldberg/autopilot/no-more-tox/+merge/220469
[06:42] <thomi> cgoldberg: first one is approved
[06:42] <thomi> cgoldberg: second one is approved too
[06:42] <cgoldberg> thanks!
[06:42] <thomi> cgoldberg: now we just need the video refactoring stuff to land
[07:03] <nik90_> elopio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1322472
[07:11] <elopio> thanks nik90_
[07:18] <balloons> autopilot folks; how's about a lightning talk about AP today? Can we show off some cool stuff? I also have an old deck on best practices I was considering
[07:29] <elopio> nik90_: can you come and help me please
[07:30] <nik90_> yeah
[08:31] <elopio> nik90_: can you come please?
[08:38] <nik90_> elopio: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/remove-optionselector-ap-hack/+merge/220727
[08:42] <nik90_> elopio: thnx for the review
[08:43] <elopio> nik90_: please give me the bug number to showing the options when you have it.
[08:44] <nik90_> elopio: 1 min..reporting now
[08:48] <nik90_> elopio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1322523
[08:48] <nik90_> elopio: I am creating a qml example to illustrate the issue
[09:06] <elopio> nik90_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7504784/


[06:05]  * DanaG want-eth an Aurora-based theme packaged.
[09:05] <AnAnt> Hello, I need help with creating an icon theme
[09:06] <AnAnt> sorry, a cursor (pointer) theme
[09:06] <AnAnt> can it inherit from another cursor theme ?
[09:17] <BHSPitLappy> good question!
[09:21] <AnAnt> BHSPitLappy: but you don't have an answer ?
[09:21] <BHSPitLappy> Nope!
[16:24] <Sonne> hi!
[16:24] <Sonne> is this the right place to ask about usplash?
[22:27] <BHSPitLappy> Are there any new/changed icons in Hardy (from Gutsy)?


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[20:31] <yano> https://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2015-8024
[20:31] <jenni> [ NVD - Detail ] - https://j.mp/1QtTzzQ
[20:39] <thafreak> oh come on mcafee


[05:16] <pitti> charles: I had the same question a while ago, upower's test suite now has umockdev-synthesized bt mouse/keyboards
[09:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:02] <darkxst> hi seb128
[09:03] <seb128> darkxst, hey, how are you?
[09:04] <darkxst> yeh good, and you?
[09:11] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:11] <seb128> nice, unity lock screen finally landed, it was getting late
[09:11] <seb128> bugfix mode now!
[09:11] <seb128> bregma, Trevinho, well done unity team ;-)
[09:45] <charles> pitti: thanks, noted :)
[09:49] <seb128> charles, good "morning"? ;-)
[09:54] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[09:57] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke! und Dir?
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, auch gut, danke!
[09:57] <pitti> seb128: amazingly tame and constructive systemd UDS discussion yesterday :)
[09:57] <seb128> happy to see the new lock screen landed, so we can focus on bugfixing
[09:57] <seb128> pitti, nice to read
[09:58] <seb128> pitti, I've a difficult time to put myself in postLTS mindset for that vUDS, still trying to get the LTS in shape :/
[09:58] <pitti> seb128: yeah, me too
[09:58] <seb128> timing is not great
[09:58] <pitti> it feels like we are still in the middle of the cycle
[09:59] <seb128> yeah, we are
[09:59] <seb128> well not "middle"
[09:59] <seb128> but we should work on getting the LTS solid atm
[09:59] <seb128> not stop everything to think about next cycle and discuss futur stuff for 3 days
[09:59] <pitti> ok, off to some sponsoring
[09:59] <seb128> oh well, some of the discussions are good to have
[10:00] <seb128> pitti, enjoy!
[10:00] <pitti> wroooooooom!
[10:00] <seb128> queue to 37, that's reasonable
[10:00] <pitti> and most of it < 1 week, indeed
[10:01] <pitti> let's see how much I can churn through today
[10:01] <seb128> yeah, I spend my monday afternoon on it
[10:01] <seb128> there are still some easy ones in there I think
[10:28] <ochosi> larsu: quick question, does the desktop_lockscreen mode do the same as the greeter_mode that indicators had before (or maybe still have)?
[10:29] <larsu> ochosi: apparently some indicators will have different controls on the lock screen than on the greeter
[10:29] <larsu> most of them will be the same, though
[10:30] <ochosi> right, so what's the diff with -power?
[10:30] <ochosi> (with -sound, i can imagine you'd have playback controls in the lockscreen, but not in the greeter?)
[10:30] <larsu> that's what I thought, but apparently not: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1291086/comments/3
[10:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1291086 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "Should only list running players in the greeter" [High,New]
[10:31] <larsu> ochosi: I don't know about -power
[10:31] <ochosi> ah, i see
[10:31] <ochosi> weird
[10:31] <ochosi> ok, i'll just wait and see what you guys do and then decide what to do with lightdm-gtk-greeter
[10:32] <ochosi> (for us greeter=lockscreen)
[10:32] <larsu> yeah
[10:32] <larsu> tbh, I'm not entirely happy with that distinction
[10:32] <ochosi> what would you do?
[10:33] <larsu> I don't have a better solution, which is why I gave in to Trevinho and added the lockscreen profile
[10:33] <larsu> ideally, lock screen and greeter would be the same thing
[10:33] <larsu> but there are some edge cases where that doesn't work
[10:34] <larsu> like, all user-related things, since the greeter is running in its own session
[10:35] <ochosi> yeah
[10:35] <ochosi> it's not really easy
[10:35] <ochosi> finding a sane policy for that
[10:36] <ochosi> especially cause locking the screen is more common for some devices (phones/tablets) than others (desktops @home)
[10:36] <larsu> right
[10:37] <ochosi> anyway, thanks for the heads up larsu
[10:37] <larsu> no problem!
[10:49] <seb128> mlankhorst, is that a known issue (happens when running unity-control-center under valgrind)
[10:49] <seb128> ==1528== Invalid read of size 1
[10:49] <seb128> ==1528==    at 0x402D9BA: strcmp (in /usr/lib/valgrind/vgpreload_memcheck-x86-linux.so)
[10:49] <seb128> ==1528==    by 0x9676E1D: stub_find_dynamic (in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglapi.so.0.0.0)
[10:49] <seb128> ==1528==    by 0x96769AB: ??? (in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglapi.so.0.0.0)
[10:49] <seb128> ==1528==    by 0x9676C3C: _glapi_get_proc_address (in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libglapi.so.0.0.0)
[10:49] <seb128> ==1528==    by 0x9628826: glXGetProcAddress (in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/libGL.so.1.2.0)
[10:51] <mlankhorst> not that I'm aware of?
[10:58] <seb128> do you get those as well?
[11:07] <mlankhorst> sec I was doing bug handling all morning, let me try :-)
[11:12] <mlankhorst> seb128: with some looking at valgrind it claims to be freed in cogl_feature_check :/
[11:14] <mlankhorst> hm might be bogus though, I'll try more aggressive options for valgrind
[11:15] <seb128> mlankhorst, hum, it might be https://git.gnome.org/browse/cogl/commit/?h=cogl-1.16&id=fc4f882db70960c615fb8c211ef7d6612a3e2118
[11:15] <seb128> or not
[11:19] <mlankhorst> weird stuff
[11:19] <mlankhorst> oh right, glapi is innocent here, bug is in libcogl
[11:21] <mlankhorst> so it's not a mesa bug afaict, it's because glxGetProcAddress was called with a free'd argument
[11:40]  * mdeslaur <3 new lock screen :)
[11:44] <rickspencer3> hey guys, new lock screen looks really nice
[12:30] <seb128> rickspencer3, hey, thanks, kudos to andyrock and Trevinho
[12:30] <rickspencer3> hey seb128
[12:31] <rickspencer3> seb128, nice that all these updates are landing so cleanly
[12:31] <rickspencer3> you can hardly tell that major updates are happening, everything "just works" when I dist-upgrade :)
[12:31] <seb128> rickspencer3, yeah, though a bit later in the cycle that we would have preferred, but we should be done with changes now
[12:32] <rickspencer3> seb128, you know what I think ... so long as it's ready to land, land it :)
[12:32] <seb128> ;-)
[12:32] <rickspencer3> better land it late and right, than land it early with regressions
[12:32] <rickspencer3> fix it before you land it
[12:33] <rickspencer3> blah blah blah, etc... etc... etc...
[12:33] <didrocks> +1000
[12:33] <didrocks> (just saying)
[12:36] <seb128> yeah, better to land early without regressions though :p
[12:36] <seb128> what, having your cake and eating it too?! ;-)
[12:37] <didrocks> seb128: coffee with my cake please :)
[12:37] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[12:37]  * didrocks is serious… and waiting!
[12:37] <didrocks> :)
[12:38] <seb128> didrocks, it's UDS, just go to the table in the conference area, they have the coffee and cake
[12:38]  * didrocks looks around and feels something is wrong… but not sure what… :)
[13:05] <desrt> good morning all
[13:06] <desrt> virtual cake!
[13:06] <seb128> desrt, good morning to you!
[13:06] <seb128> desrt, I saw you got a patch up for your gsettings bug, nice ;-)
[13:06] <desrt> ya
[13:06] <desrt> i'm not happy about it
[13:06] <desrt> but i spent like a week trying to do it 'the right way'
[13:06] <desrt> and ended up with a patch that has no earthly chance of getting merged a week before hard code freeze
[13:07] <seb128> no rewriting of gobject before release!
[13:07] <seb128> or glib
[13:07] <ogra_> both !
[13:07] <xnox> in virt-manager, the global menus stopped working. They are shown (File, edit, etc.) but i can't open anyone of them.
[13:07] <xnox> how / where should I report this?
[13:08] <seb128> xnox, do you use the local integrate menu?
[13:08] <larsu> xnox: works for me
[13:08] <larsu> *cough*
[13:08] <xnox> seb128: i have local integrated menus in gnome-terminal.
[13:09] <desrt> seb128: in any case, timely testing is very much appreciated
[13:09] <seb128> xnox, that was not the question
[13:09] <xnox> seb128: however, i don't think that works with virt-manager, since that grabs focus into inside the virtual-machine.
[13:09] <larsu> xnox: it uses unity-gtk-module, so file a bug against that please (or talk to attente)
[13:09] <xnox> seb128: how do i verify to answer your question?
[13:09] <seb128> xnox, system settings -> appearence -> behaviour
[13:10] <seb128> the "show menu in" option
[13:10] <xnox> it says in the menu bar.
[13:10] <seb128> k, so in the panel like before
[13:10] <seb128> and what's the issue? are the menu items there but not doing anything?
[13:11] <xnox> hm, something is very odd, let me restart my session.
[13:12] <seb128> desrt, do you feel confident enough in the patch to have it pushed to trusty? (that's the best way to get feedback)
[13:12] <seb128> desrt, well, I'm going to test it locally before anyway, but still working for me doesn't mean it's a good idea to push it to trusty ;-)
[13:12] <desrt> seb128: if it works for you, push it
[13:12] <desrt> if not, talk to me :
[13:12] <desrt> :)
[13:12] <seb128> k
[13:13] <seb128> you can sure count on that ;-)
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> hello desktop!
[13:21] <desrt> chrisccoulson: hihi
[13:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[13:22] <chrisccoulson> hi desrt, seb128
[13:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. mostly avoided UDS so far ;)
[13:23] <seb128> haha
[13:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm sure you are going to have at least one session (I saw webbrowser for touch on the schedule)
[13:23]  * chrisccoulson hides
[13:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i can't have any more work assigned to me ;)
[13:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you sure can, let me show you!
[13:26]  * seb128 assigns bugs to chrisccoulson
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> i'll just assign them back to you ;)
[13:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, joke aside, I hope you fix that firefox url handling issue before release, or I'm going to upload the apturl config hack ;-)
[13:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, that's where you regret you never code upload rights out of firefox set ;-)
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128, firefox needs fixing properly. can't you get the firefox maintainer to do that? ;)
[13:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, see, you just got more work assigned, and by yourself! ;-)
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> i haven't spent more than 5 minutes on firefox in the last month or so
[13:45] <mdeslaur> xnox: FYI, I now see your virt-manager issue too
[13:47] <seb128> xnox, mdeslaur: when did that start? what happens exactly, the menus are there but not doing anything?
[13:48] <mdeslaur> seb128: yeah, you click on them and nothing happens, the menus don't open
[13:49] <mdeslaur> not sure when it started, as I don't use them often
[13:49] <seb128> does it work with e.g alt-f ?
[13:49] <xnox> seb128: alt-f, triggers hud on alt, and that's the only way i can run any of the menu items
[13:49] <mdeslaur> when the vm is powered off, the menu items display, with a lot of them inactive...when you power on the vm, they won't appear anymore
[13:49] <xnox> seb128: alt-space does work.
[13:50] <mdeslaur> seb128: alt-f doesn't work
[13:50] <xnox> bug #1291370
[13:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1291370 in virt-manager (Ubuntu) "in virtual-manager, the global-menu or local integrated menus stopped working in the vm-display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1291370
[13:50] <mdeslaur> I think it's when virt-manager tries to make certain menu items active, something goes wrong
[13:50] <xnox> has screenshot.
[13:50] <xnox> no way to open up file, virtual machine, view, send key.
[13:51] <mdeslaur> it of course works well with UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0, so it's not virt-manager itself
[13:52] <xnox> mdeslaur: well - virt-manager is the last python2 gobject application we use?!
[13:52] <xnox> =)
[13:53] <larsu> this sounds like a unity issue to me
[13:53] <mdeslaur> xnox: quite possibly :)
[13:53] <xnox> mdeslaur: larsu: propose adding it to blacklist? it's not _that_ popular app.
[13:53] <mdeslaur> xnox: uhm, no. this is a new bug
[13:54] <larsu> xnox: you're right! I can also not click the menu items in your screenshot
[13:54] <mdeslaur> xnox: something is busted somewhere
[13:55] <mdeslaur> global menu in gtk2 is a patch, right?
[13:55] <mdeslaur> oh, it's a plugin, huh
[13:55] <xnox> larsu: lol =)
[13:56] <mdeslaur> I'll try reverting unity-gtk-module this afternoon
[14:00] <xnox> hm, i only have unity going from 20140305 -> 0311. I'll check if that's where the regression happened.
[14:13] <kenvandine> seb128, xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-wallpapers/14_04_wallpapers/+merge/210616
[14:14] <xnox> kenvandine: excellent, let me review that. I'd like to learn ubuntu-wallpapers packaging.
[14:15] <xnox> i'm hearing rick =)
[14:15] <kenvandine> me too :)
[14:15] <xnox> best hangout ever! =)
[14:15] <kenvandine> haha
[14:15] <xnox> wrong channel as well =)
[14:15] <xnox> kenvandine: but oh well ;-)
[14:15] <xnox> (above is about #ubuntu-uds-core-1)
[14:16] <kenvandine> at least someone here knew what you were talking about
[14:17] <seb128> hangout, technology for the futur :p
[14:18] <xnox> seb128: technology of back to the future =)
[14:24] <kenvandine> xnox, i just pushed another revision to that branch, the upstream version was still 13.04... i guess it's time to update that :)
[14:29] <xnox> kenvandine: good. =)
[14:29] <kenvandine> guess we missed that for 13.10
[14:30] <kenvandine> with daily release updating the versions for us, it's easy to miss
[14:30] <kenvandine> 13.04.0+13.10..... is confusing :)
[14:42] <kenvandine> alesage, i'm getting CI failures that look like jenkins problems
[14:42] <kenvandine> hudson.util.IOException2: remote file operation failed: /iSCSI/storage/jenkins/workspace/ubuntu-wallpapers-trusty-amd64-ci at hudson.remoting.Channel@7ae9b86f:genie
[14:42] <kenvandine> MR is https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-wallpapers/14_04_wallpapers/+merge/210616
[14:42] <kenvandine> alesage, ^^
[14:42] <alesage> kenvandine, I'll look into, remedy will probably come from CI though
[14:42] <alesage> kenvandine, also hi :)
[14:43] <kenvandine> alesage, hello :)
[14:45] <alesage> kenvandine, btw I'll be helping with content-hub QA, we should chat about at some point
[14:46] <mlankhorst> bah, xorg bugs are exploding :o
[14:46] <mlankhorst> boom!
[14:46] <kenvandine> alesage, sweet!
[14:47] <kenvandine> alesage, yes lets talk soon
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: c'est l'heure de la glace maintenant !
[15:09] <pitti> seb128: nothing to sponsor any more, job done, time for ice and UDS :)
[15:12] <seb128> pitti, good job! enjoy
[15:24] <mlankhorst> --keep-stacktraces=alloc-and-free is my new favorite valgrind option <3
[15:24] <seb128> what does it do?
[15:29] <mlankhorst> guessing it keeps the alloc stacktrace for freed memory too
[15:29] <attente> i can't boot my machine... i keep getting "The disk drive for /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1 is not ready yet or not present" under plymouth :(
[15:30] <seb128> attente, try asking on #ubuntu-devel
[15:30] <seb128> or maybe xnox can help there
[19:33] <robert_ancell> mterry, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-greeter/double-authenticate/+merge/210529?
[19:33] <mterry> robert_ancell, yes...  haven't gotten to it.  But now is actually a good time
[19:33] <robert_ancell> fginther, is jenkins asleep? https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/lightdm/guest-session-type/+merge/210540
[19:35] <mterry> robert_ancell, I assume you tested this?  Code itself looks fine
[19:35] <robert_ancell> mterry, yeah, works here
[19:35] <mterry> robert_ancell, approved!
[19:35] <robert_ancell> mterry, ta!
[19:37] <fginther> robert_ancell, the MP is approved, as a result jenkins will ignore it (this is a consequence of moving to ci-train for merging). If it's set back to needs review, jenkins will test it.
[19:37] <robert_ancell> fginther, we're not on the ci-train unless someone changed something yesterday
[19:38] <robert_ancell> fginther, is there a list of projects on the ci-train somewhere?
[19:39] <fginther> robert_ancell, I saw an MP in the last day or two indicating that everything trusty should be on ci-train now. looking for it
[19:40] <fginther> robert_ancell, https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro-config/ci-train-everywhere/+merge/210314
[19:41] <fginther> robert_ancell, for the official list of projects on ci-train: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdC05a2ZQSmgwU2NFYnJQOE9qMDRYa3c&usp=drive_web#gid=1
[19:41] <robert_ancell> humf
[19:46] <robert_ancell> seb128, where is the CI train documentation?
[19:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, there is none
[19:46] <robert_ancell> awesome
[19:46] <robert_ancell> where is the ci train magic spreadsheet?
[19:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, it's ongoing work/moving parts and didrocks said he had spent quite some time previously on documentation the workflow than nobody was reading
[19:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dFlCc1VzeVZzWmdBZS11WERjdVc3dmc#gid=0
[19:47] <seb128> if you look for the list of landings in the queue
[19:47] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdC05a2ZQSmgwU2NFYnJQOE9qMDRYa3c&usp=drive_web#gid=1 if you want the list of projects and their landers
[19:47] <seb128> what's the real question/issue?
[19:48] <seb128> e.g do you try to get something added to it, or to be lander for something, or to get something to land?
[19:48] <robert_ancell> seb128, apparently lightdm is on the train now and I've got some MPs I need to land
[19:48] <seb128> weird
[19:48] <seb128> that seems backward
[19:48] <seb128> but I think didrocks said they want to close the infra for non CI train
[19:49] <robert_ancell> seb128, fginther says https://code.launchpad.net/~robru/cupstream2distro-config/ci-train-everywhere/+merge/210314 is the cause
[19:49] <robert_ancell> not sure if that is correct or not
[19:49] <seb128> likely, they said they want to stop having to maintain 2 infras
[19:49] <seb128> which makes sense
[19:49] <robert_ancell> I can't edit that spreadsheet
[19:49] <seb128> but the way they are doing it might be suboptimal
[19:50] <seb128> right, you didn't get landing training/got added to that group
[19:50] <seb128> but the landing process is reversed
[19:50] <seb128> e.g you need to upload to Ubuntu first and then it gets to trunk
[19:50] <seb128> it's fine for touch, but I'm not sure that you are going to like that for lightdm
[19:51] <robert_ancell> no, that makes absolutely no sense here
[19:51] <seb128> if not I guess you can commit manually to your trunk and argue with didrocks&co later
[19:51] <robert_ancell> I'm just going to manually upload it
[19:51] <robert_ancell> yeah
[19:51] <robert_ancell> But I kind of wanted Jenkins to do the checks for me
[19:51] <seb128> I think that should still be possible, but check with fginther
[19:52] <seb128> looks like something we should provide to any upstream wanting to help us improve quality
[19:52] <seb128> them being in touch landing or not
[19:52] <robert_ancell> seb128, what about unity-greeter? Guess I should do that manually too?
[19:52] <seb128> that seems like more Ubuntu/Unity specific
[19:52] <seb128> I would be happy to have it in CI train, the process is ok
[19:53] <robert_ancell> that codebase will be dead next cycle anyway, so not really worth getting it up to scratch
[19:53] <seb128> you list merge requests, that gives you a ppa to test built with trunk+those, if you hack that uploads to the archive/merge to trunk
[19:53] <seb128> there is nothing to get up to scratch
[19:53] <seb128> they put lightdm in there :p
[19:53] <seb128> I mean you don't have any pre-require on tests or anything
[19:53] <robert_ancell> seb128, but neither lightdm or u-g are automatically uploaded to the archive, they are both manually done
[19:54] <seb128> well, you could decide that from now u-g follows the same landing than most of our stuff
[19:54] <seb128> e.g no release, CI train
[19:54] <robert_ancell> that's what we had before right?
[19:54] <seb128> e.g somebody lists merge requests, press the button and things get merged/uploaded, iterate as often as needed
[19:55] <seb128> no, before we had automerge and regular uploads
[19:55] <seb128> now it's the other way around, with a manual "that component can land" from the people checking the image in between
[19:55] <seb128> e.g you say "I've those 3 changes to land, please give me a silo"
[19:56] <seb128> they give you a "slot", which basically means you click a button and get a ppa with the debs of trunk+<what you asked>
[19:56] <seb128> you test that, if happy you press the upload button, which uploads for you
[19:56] <seb128> once it's in ubuntu proper (out of proposed) you press the merge/clean button which merges to trunk and clean the ppa you had
[19:57] <seb128> in practice it's quite nice, the only real work you have to do is list merge requests in order
[19:57] <seb128> but you get a ppa for free, which includes armhf, which is nice for testing before uploading
[20:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, regarding the face images - we should just drop support for user images from the GUI because that's confusing
[20:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, actually I can't even find the controls to change the image, where are they?
[20:01] <robert_ancell> ah, I found it
[20:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, click on your image?
[20:01] <robert_ancell> I was clicking the one on the left
[20:01] <seb128> well, I don't find them confusing, I picked an icon for each ones of my users
[20:01] <robert_ancell> that doesn't get used anywhere else in the gui
[20:01] <seb128> they are not very fancy but that's better than all the default icon
[20:01] <seb128> it does
[20:02] <robert_ancell> I mean drop all the icons
[20:02] <robert_ancell> oh, where else?
[20:02] <seb128> on the session menu
[20:02] <seb128> indicator-session
[20:02] <robert_ancell> oh, I assumed that was a fixed icon
[20:02] <seb128> the list of users has their icons
[20:03] <robert_ancell> seb128, we should get a set of those face icons from design and ship those with u-c-c then
[20:03] <robert_ancell> the orange ones
[20:03] <robert_ancell> anyone from design awake?
[20:04] <seb128> I doubt it, they are in London for most of them and don't work in evenings
[20:04] <seb128> open a bug, I can ping around tomorrow
[20:04] <robert_ancell> will do
[20:04] <seb128> but otherwise if we think it's not import we can drop the feature, I would be happy to build u-c-c without cheese
[20:04] <robert_ancell> seb128, is the "ping design" thing still open task on ayatanna-design?
[20:04] <robert_ancell> I'd just drop it
[20:05] <seb128> the most bugs we report is user account failing to load due to cogl/clutter issues coming through cheese
[20:05] <seb128> yeah, open a bug and add ayatana-design
[20:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, open a bug, I'm going to follow up on it tomorrow
[20:05] <seb128> on that note I need to go
[20:05] <robert_ancell> bye
[20:06] <seb128> night (or good day to you .au/.nz)


[00:23] <Noskcaj-school> ochosi, eric_the_idiot_ : I've looked at the upower patch some more, for it to apply properly we need to make it the first xubuntu-only patch we apply. Then the only changes needed are the logind patch's configure.ac and 4 of the shutdown hunks
[00:23] <Noskcaj-school> However i can't do the shutdown part as i have no idea what the patch is doing and how to refresh it
[01:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts? anything that should be modified? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/+bug/1331871
[02:02] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'd think it looks fine, though is it miss something to show up on their radar?
[02:03] <bluesabre> yeah, wanted to make it good before I starting subscribing folks
[02:03] <Unit193> I'd suppose that testcase will also make it so they can reproduce the problem.
[02:03] <bluesabre> right
[02:04] <Unit193> Then looks good to me.
[02:10] <bluesabre> hopefully these will be painless to get into trusty
[02:38] <bluesabre> catching up on sleep tonight, bbl
[02:38] <bluesabre> night folks
[02:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: G'night.
[03:16] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~mniess/ubuntu/trusty/ibus/fix-lp1240198/+merge/223651
[03:16] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1240198
[22:43] <Unit193> Logan_: Not sure if you were interested, but found the right person and he did a NMU, fixing 3 Debian bugs (including an RC bug) so that's taken care of and there's no more delta. \o/
[23:07] <Logan_> Unit193: woot


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[17:22] <SortedSand> Can you help with this error
[17:53] <Eickmeyer> SortedSand: Looks temporary. Wait a few minutes and try again.
[18:58] <SortedSand> I have experienced this for a couple days now.
[20:31] <arraybolt3> I see SortedSand is gone, but I would think that he needs to run "sudo apt update" first.


[00:03] <knome> i'm gonna hit the bed now. good night everybody
[00:30] <thejayjetson> nikolam:  I have a 40GB model (but installed a 250Gig HD)
[00:40] <thejayjetson> I am stuck on the kboot screen on my ps3-trying to install xubuntu 9.1 from disc-when i look at disc in mac i see all files just fine-burned xubuntu using "Burn" then on my second attempt simply used disc utility-each disc has the same files but neither boot the PS to a new OS
[00:52] <thejayjetson> I am stuck on the kboot screen on my ps3-trying to install xubuntu 9.1 from disc-when i look at disc in mac i see all files just fine-burned xubuntu using "Burn" then on my second attempt simply used disc utility-each disc has the same files but neither boot the PS to a new OS
[00:53] <thejayjetson> hey
[00:53] <thejayjetson> anyone ????
[01:00] <thejayjetson> mrnaz, can you help me?
[01:02] <CobaltDelta> That's more like it. So, I've got me a question. :D
[01:02] <thejayjetson> I am stuck on the kboot screen on my ps3-trying to install xubuntu 9.1 from disc-when i look at disc in mac i see all files just fine-burned xubuntu using "Burn" then on my second attempt simply used disc utility-each disc has the same files but neither boot the PS to a new OS
[01:04] <CobaltDelta> Well, first and foremost, I suppose it'd be wise to ask, am I even allowed to ask for help installing xubuntu on an Xbox (the old kind, not the 360)?
[02:12] <craigbass1976> Anyone know where volume control is in Jaunty?  I've been blasted by headphones for the last time...
[02:17] <imran> Hello
[02:17] <imran> Anyone here
[02:18] <craigbass1976> imran, I am
[02:18] <imran> Can you help me install xubuntu
[02:18] <forces> I want pupusas
[02:18] <forces> T_T
[02:18] <forces> !install
[02:18] <imran> I have done it before but have formatted
[02:18] <forces> !install | imran
[02:18] <imran> I know but i née live help
[02:19] <imran> Because ts not acting the same as last time
[02:19] <imran> Last time I was able to save windows by dragging a bar to set a partition for ubuntu
[02:19] <craigbass1976> forces, what's pupusas?
[02:19] <imran> I'm not getting that option thi time
[02:20] <forces> a typical food in El Salvador
[02:20] <forces> !google pupusas
[02:20] <forces> ¬¬
[02:20] <craigbass1976> imran, I can help you, but I would urge you to ditch windows. ;)
[02:20] <forces> http://www.google.com.sv/search?source=ig&hl=es&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ESDE335&q=pupusas&lr=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw
[02:20] <imran> Craig no for many unspeakable reasons
[02:21] <imran> Ok so i've gotten past keyboard layout
[02:21] <imran> Now on partition page
[02:21] <craigbass1976> imran, ok...  You'll feel so much better though.     Why can't you tell xubuntu to use the ext3 partition for the install?
[02:21] <imran> I have 2 options ;
[02:21] <imran> Use entire disk
[02:22] <imran> Or specify partitions manually
[02:22] <craigbass1976> imran, right.  What happens when you try to specify?
[02:22] <imran> So I click specify manually
[02:22] <imran> Did I say I don't want to lose windows
[02:22] <imran> Which I was able to do last time
[02:22] <imran> anyway
[02:23] <imran> Now at prepare partitions
[02:23] <imran> Is see my whole harddrive in green at the top
[02:23] <imran> And I see dev sva
[02:23] <craigbass1976> There's no way to make a new partition?
[02:24] <imran> Beneath that is dev sda1 mtgs
[02:24] <craigbass1976> forces, what's the partitioning tool Xub is using for this?  The GUI one I mean
[02:24] <imran> Ntfs*
[02:24] <imran> ok so I hit new partition table
[02:24] <imran> Hit continue
[02:24] <craigbass1976> imran, is all your windows stuff backed up?  You may end up in fdisk...
[02:25] <imran> Craig I don't have backed up
[02:25] <imran> But it fresh install
[02:25] <imran> So don't need that bad
[02:25] <craigbass1976> imran, windows you mean?
[02:25] <imran> Yes
[02:26] <craigbass1976> Ok, becuase I've never fdisked except on a fresh drive.  Hang on a sec
[02:26] <imran> But last time I installed ubuntu using a slider to set how much space for ubuntu/windows
[02:26] <imran> And I'm not getting that option this time
[02:28] <imran> I just don't wanna go through installing video card again
[02:28] <craigbass1976> imran, things change.  I can't find a bleeping volume control, other than in the command line...   Check this out:  http://man.linux-ntfs.org/ntfsresize.8.html
[02:29] <imran> Craig what about this "gpart" I'm hearig a lot off
[02:31] <imran> Hello?
[02:32] <craigbass1976> imran, sorry, working on a website too.  I don't know gpart.  Is it a GUI front end for fdisk?
[02:33] <craigbass1976> imran, if it's gparted you're thinking of, that's the gnome partitioner.  You can install it in your livecd environment I imagine and use it, or just boot to a regular ubuntu cd and use it long enough to make your partitions the way you want them
[02:34] <imran> Would that be able to partition without ruining windows?
[02:36] <imran> I got it loaded on liveCD
[02:38] <imran> hallo
[02:38] <craigbass1976> imran, dude, settle down.  If you typed my name it would make my screen blink so I'd know you said something.
[02:38] <craigbass1976> imran, it should not ruin your windows partition... but who knows.
[02:40] <imran> Craigbass1985 sorry I'm chatting on my iPod so I have to upe everything out
[02:41] <craigbass1976> imran, ok, and I'm about to go solder my MP3 player and smoke a cigarette, so I'll be gone a bit.  GParted is pretty self explanatory.  BBIAB
[02:42] <imran> Waiit
[02:53] <craigbass1976> I'm back.  The soldering gun was already hot, and the player was already apart
[02:53] <craigbass1976> imran, how's it going?
[02:54] <imran> Not well
[02:54] <imran> Trying to use gparted but it won't let me do anything because I'm trying to work with boot drive
[02:56] <imran> Craigbass1976 sorry I forgot to put you name in there
[02:56] <craigbass1976> imran, hmmm...  It won't let you resize the ntfs partition?
[02:56] <imran> It's not currently partitioned
[02:57] <imran> Whole drive is dedicated to windows
[02:57] <craigbass1976> imran, that doesn't mean it's not partitioned.  It must be or you wouldn't have been able to install windows.
[02:57] <imran> An it won't let me do anything, craigbass1976
[02:57] <craigbass1976> imran, there is a gigantic ntfs partition, yes?
[02:58] <imran> Well yes
[02:58] <craigbass1976> /dev/sva1 ?
[02:58] <imran> Yes
[02:58] <craigbass1976> And you're using gparted?
[02:58] <imran> Yes
[02:58] <craigbass1976> or gpart?  I've never heard of gpart, but that doesn't meananything
[02:58] <imran> But it ha a exlamation point next to it
[02:59] <imran> Yes it's gparted
[02:59] <craigbass1976> hang on
[02:59] <imran> K
[03:00] <craigbass1976> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/docs/help-manual/C/gparted_manual.html#gparted-partitions   Any of that helpful?
[03:02] <imran> Uhhh
[03:02] <imran> Hold on
[03:03] <imran> Lemme log on on um pc
[03:03] <imran> On ym
[03:03] <imran> On my*
[03:03] <craigbass1976> meh?
[03:03] <imrann> ok
[03:03] <imrann> can you say that site again
[03:06] <imrann> craigbass1976, can you repeat that site again
[03:07] <boboso> imrann: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/docs/help-manual/C/gparted_manual.html#gparted-partitions
[03:07] <imrann> boboso, thanks
[03:08] <boboso> np
[03:08] <imrann> Auuugh its still not working i just wanna cry
[03:10] <craigbass1976> imrann, you may have to fight that card again.  You'd have been better off partitioning first, then installing windows, then linux
[03:11] <imrann> x_X
[03:11] <imrann> thats just stupid... this didnt happen last time
[03:11] <imrann> last time it had an option to just drag a slider to set space for each
[03:11] <imrann> Is there a way to do that again?
[03:14] <imrann> craigbass1976, ?
[03:14] <craigbass1976> Not that i'm aware of.  The newer version of the partitioning program must have gotten rid of that feature
[03:18] <imrann> craigbass1976, im using the same cd to install as last time
[03:18] <imrann> and the setting was in the install process D:
[04:07] <blue0488>  is there a way to install xubuntu on a usb drive with all the options of saving downloading etc but use it on a different pc than the one I install it on?
[04:11] <blue0488> does anyone know if there is a way to install xubuntu on a usb drive with all the options of saving downloading etc but use it on a different pc than the one I install it on?
[09:22] <thejayjetson_> I installed xubuntu 9.4 earlier today on my ps3 and borrowed a mouse to help set up my bluetooth mouse-well, now i have booted back up into it and the bluetooth mouse is not working-the other mouse is gone now-with my keyboard [01:21] <thejayjetson> i got into the bluetooth section and saw my mouse, but still not able to connect it???  then i opened the terminal and i am stuck in there-not sure how to get out of there with
[09:22] <thejayjetson_> oh, i meant 9.04
[09:55] <vadviktor> hello there! :) how can I edit the content of the xfce menu? Gnome has a graphical menu editor, does xfce have one?
[09:55] <knome> vadviktor, which xubuntu version do you have?
[09:55] <vadviktor> latest
[09:56] <knome> okay. i'm sorry to tell, but xfce 4.6 does not have a menu editor.
[09:56] <knome> we're working to get one in karmic
[09:58] <vadviktor> so there is only the xml editing way, is it? :)
[09:59] <knome> yes, for now
[10:02] <vadviktor> thank you very much for the info! byez! o/ :)
[11:05] <mijax> Hi all,
[11:05] <mijax> I download deft4.2
[11:05] <mijax> It is live cd.
[11:06] <mijax> when I boot with this live cd, I do not have any network connection & can not browse internet.
[11:06] <mijax> please help me.
[11:07] <mijax> Is there anyone?!?
[11:29] <TheSheep> mijax: deft? this is a xubuntu support channel...
[11:35] <mijax> deft is a live cd that use xubuntu as kernel. please help me.
[11:37] <Sysi> it's based on xubuntu, not much to do with kernel
[11:38] <Sysi> they don't have any own support? if not, there are xubuntu livecds also
[11:43] <mijax> Is it possible to config network card in live cds?
[11:44] <mijax> Sysi: ok, deft is based on xubuntu not kernel.it was a mistake!
[11:46] <Sysi> what network card do you have?
[11:46] <mijax> you suppose I use a xubuntu live cd & I want to config network card to use internet in live cd. please help me.
[11:46] <mijax> Realtek
[11:48] <mijax> Realtel PCI
[11:48] <Sysi> need to know exact model, you can google it and watch if it's known to be problematic
[11:49] <Sysi> i'm still not sure if you can set drivers on livecd, if that's needed
[11:50] <SiDi> mijax: if there are Free drivers for your card they will be on the liveCD and auto install during the install
[11:50] <SiDi> if there are not, then you need to connect via ethernet and find windows drivers for your card, and load them with ndiswrapper
[11:50] <SiDi> !ndiswrapper
[11:50] <SiDi> Find the _exact_ name of your network card and type "ubuntu + that name" in google, and you'll find HowTos or forum entries about it
[12:02] <mijax> I install a xubuntu 8.10. When I use ifconfig command to see what configs exists, I see only lo exists.
[12:02] <mijax> I do to application->system , but there is not network option to configuration.
[12:02] <mijax> please help me.
[12:42] <turtle_> anyone got virtualbox running?
[12:57] <_Pete_> turtle_: I have
[12:59] <turtle_> can you tell me how to get it working?
[12:59] <turtle_> I am getting nowhere
[13:09] <_Pete_> what error do you get?
[13:13] <turtle_> Attempting to install using DKMS
 Creating symlink /var/lib/dkms/vboxdrv/3.0.4/source ->
                  /usr/src/vboxdrv-3.0.4
 DKMS: add Completed.
 Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.30-02063003-generic cannot be found at
 /lib/modules/2.6.30-02063003-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.30-02063003-generic/source.
 You can use the --kernelsourcedir option to tell DKMS where it's located.
 Failed to install using DKMS, attempting to install without
 Makefile:147: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again.  Stop.
 thats running the 3.0 deb
 running the install from synaptic gives me a VM not installed error
[13:13] <turtle_> whoops sorry for my tag
[13:16] <_Pete_> install build-essential package
[13:16] <turtle_> dkms? I have
[13:17] <_Pete_> and linux-headers-generic
[13:18] <turtle_> tried to
[13:18] <turtle_> it cannot find them
[13:19] <_Pete_> then dunno
[13:26] <henrique_> hi can anybody help me? I just instaled xubuntu on an old laptop but the colors are all wrong
[13:27] <henrique_> can anybody tell me where to chenge coler depth and all that parameters
[13:41] <henrique_> hi can anybody help me? I just insttaled xubuntu on an old laptop but the colors are all wrong. can anybody tell me where to change color depth and all that parameters?
[13:44] <TheSheep> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:45] <henrique_> yes but that file is blank
[13:45] <henrique_> what shoul I put there?
[13:47] <TheSheep> henrique_: see 'man xorg.conf'
[14:43] <Vizirovics> ALLALUJJAH BROTHAZ
[14:44] <Vizirovics> My name is Ongavezer Da Holyness
[14:45] <Vizirovics> Pici Brotha ola
[15:10] <henrique_> hi can anybody help me? I just insttaled xubuntu on an old laptop but the colors are all wrong. can anybody tell me where to change color depth and all that parameters?
[15:11] <henrique_> now i connected the pc to an external screen and it works fine
[15:11] <henrique_> but still
[15:11] <henrique_> i need tho configure the laptop screen
[15:11] <henrique_> isn't there any script to help me configure that?
[15:14] <Hezy> what do you mean when you say the colors are wrong>
[16:17] <Besogon> hello. Is any way to change main menu with something like alacarte
[16:17] <Besogon> ?
[16:23] <SiDi> Besogon: not yet
[16:23] <SiDi> but alacarte's author is working on compatibility with XFCE
[16:30] <Besogon> SiDi, ok. xfce menu is the same like in gnome. It have got other names of files. And alacarte shouldn't to change mach to work with xfce menu. Im not program maker. But if I were I would make, of couse, on it.
[16:57] <Besogon> Today I added "My computer" in "main menu" on XP. And it was so great! I didn't have to use TotalCommander or explorer to search files at the computer...
[18:01] <fabio> Hello
[18:02] <fabio> Anyone has installed xubuntu on a Dell mini 9?
[18:02] <cody-somerville> I have
[18:03] <fabio> ok
[18:03] <fabio> have u found a way to make the keyboard shorcuts work? as in AUDIO OFF etc
[18:04] <cody-somerville> I never really tried
[18:04] <fabio> ahh ok
[18:05] <fabio> what was your general experience my friend?
[18:05] <fabio> because i'm not really that i'mpressed...
[18:05] <fabio> it's cool though
[18:07] <fabio> hi?
[18:23] <Flori_> hello everybody and good evening (MEST)
[18:23] <Flori_> can anybody help me with vanished panels of the xcfe-desktop?
[18:25] <zx> hello. is it possible to install xubuntu and have full disk encryption?
[18:27] <Hezy> Flori_: does xfce4-panel work? can you see it in your system monitor?
[18:28] <Flori_> hezy: hm... just checking
[18:31] <Flori_> Hezy: No, it doesn't. Should it?
[18:32] <Hezy> Flori_: yes/ you can start it by pressing alt+F2, write in there xfce4-panel and press run
[18:33] <Flori_> Hezy: Ah, there it goes. How can I start it automatically after booting?
[18:35] <Hezy> go to  settings->session and startup
[18:35] <Hezy> then go to the Session tab and check what is the restart style
[18:36] <Flori_> Hezy: yep... I think I just did that myself. I added another application and typed 'xcfe4-panel' into the 'command' space. I'm rebooting now.
[18:36] <Flori_> Hezy: Oh, I didn't do That! Ok, let's see what happens.
[18:36] <Hezy> no nedd to reboot
[18:37] <Hezy> just log out and back in
[18:38] <Flori_> well -- it's starting at login now.
[18:38] <Hezy> great
[18:38] <Flori_> yeah, thanks. what about the 'session' tab?
[18:39] <Hezy> you can check there to see if it is set to restart "immediately"
[18:39] <Flori_> yes, it is. what does it mean?
[18:40] <Hezy> that it is set to start immediately ;)
[18:40] <Flori_> ok ;). can I ask you something else?
[18:41] <Hezy> sure
[18:41] <Flori_> now I've installed ubunut originally. Is there a way of completely changing to xubuntu apart from installing the xcfe-desktop (as I have)?
[18:42] <Flori_> and were there any advantages?
[18:42] <knome> Flori_, xubuntu-desktop is the correct package, if you want to install default ubuntu
[18:43] <knome> Flori_, there isn't that much advantages, mostly more free HD space
[18:43] <Hezy> you can remove the ubuntu-desktop meta-package, but I don't think it will change much by itself
[18:43] <knome> !purexfce | Flori_
[18:44] <Hezy> there isn't really such a thing pure Xfce, because many of the packages that ubuntu uses are from gnome
[18:44] <Hezy> such as the System Monitor you have just used
[18:44] <Flori_> Whowwhee, what a shower of answers. Thanks! would it speed up my system to delete the ubuntu-desktop?
[18:44] <Flori_> Hezy: Thanks, I understand.
[18:44] <knome> Flori_, not really, but it wouldn't do any harm either, if you are not using gnome
[18:45] <Hezy> it will not speed your computer by itself
[18:45] <Flori_> My system, that is: thinkpad T40, ca. 1,5 GHz, 1Gb Ram, 40 Gb HD.
[18:45] <Flori_> and the free diskspace?
[18:46] <Flori_> knome: gnome-applications, you mean?
[18:46] <knome> Flori_, what?
[18:46] <zx> is it possible to encrypt just the home directory?
[18:46] <knome> !encrypted
[18:46] <Hezy> some of what you have there is not running any way, and the things that run you probably do need. it may save some space, but not as much as you might think
[18:46] <knome> zx, ^
[18:47] <zx> I dont want to encrypt a directory, but the whole home partition
[18:47] <Hezy> Flori_: what computer do you use? (CPU, memory, disk)?
[18:48] <knome> zx, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[18:48] <Flori_> knome: you said 'if I was not using gnome' and I'm not sure whether you mean gnome-desktop or gnome applications in general. Or did I get something substantially wrong there?
[18:48] <knome> Flori_, if you are not logging into the gnome desktop environment.
[18:48] <Flori_> Hezy: I described my system some lines above, could you see there?
[18:49] <knome> Flori_, while using xfce you can't get rid of gnome *completely*, but many parts of it
[18:49] <Flori_> knome: Thank you. what did you mean with '!xubuntu'?
[18:50] <knome> !purexfce | Flori_
[18:50] <Flori_> knome: !purexcfe, I mean
[18:50] <knome> Flori_, read what ubottu tells you
[18:50] <zx> knome: i heard ubuntu gives the possibility to encrypt the home dir... why with xubuntu is not the same?
[18:50] <knome> Flori_, that's the way you can remove all gnome packages xubuntu doesn't install by default.
[18:50] <Flori_> rightio, thanks.
[18:50] <knome> Flori_, thus, ending with an installation similar to if you installed xubuntu from a disc
[18:51] <Hezy> Flori_: no I don't see it. but anyway, I don't think you would gain much from removing gnome. If it works don't try to fix it...
[18:51] <Flori_> Hezy: :) :) :) I better didn't!
[18:51] <knome> zx, everything what is possible in ubuntu is possible in xubuntu.
[18:52] <zx> i tried, but it still formats the home partition without encrypting it
[18:52] <knome> zx, are you following a specific tutorial? can you give a link to it?
[18:53] <Flori_> Hey folks, I enjoy your helpfulness a lot. Enjoy your day or night, wherever you are!
[18:53] <Flori_> See you!
[18:53] <knome> Flori_, you too
[18:53] <zx> knome: no tutorials
[18:54] <knome> zx, which xubuntu version do you have?
[18:54] <zx> 9.04
[18:54] <Hezy> Flori_: Xubuntu is not the fastest and leanest distro, but it works well by using some gnome components. if it is a very old computer you can try other distros to get more speed, but for a 5-6 years old computer Xubuntu is great.
[18:55] <knome> zx, is it already installed or are you only about to install it?
[18:55] <zx> about to install it
[18:55] <knome> okay
[18:55] <knome> you need the alternate cd
[18:55] <zx> got it
[18:56] <zx> i tried with setting expert mode
[18:56] <zx> but it doesn't let me encrypt anything
[18:57] <knome> i'm not familiar with this thing, sorry
[18:57] <zx> thanks anyway
[18:57] <knome> i don't know how it's supposed to be working
[18:58] <knome> you could ask #ubuntu, as this is not xubuntu-specific
[18:58] <zx> ill install it without any encryption.. hoping nobody will steal my laptop :)
[18:59] <zx> must go... bye!
[19:03] <Flori_> Hezy: Now that's interesting. because I have another mashine, a PIII 600MHz, 193 MBRam, and some 5 GB HD. what distro could you fancy for this one?
[19:03] <Flori_> xubuntu is doing quite well on it, though. some start-ups are slow, but apart from that it's ok.
[19:07] <durt> I would suggest a cli install of ubuntu and XFCE as an interface. Thats a low amount of ram and HD space.
[19:07] <durt> er, LXDE
[19:09] <Flori_> what's lxde?
[19:09] <durt> Lightweight Xwindows Desktop Enviroment, based on openbox.
[19:09] <Flori_> and what's a 'cli' install?
[19:10] <durt> command line interface.
[19:10] <Flori_> hm... not sure whether I'd make that...
[19:10] <Flori_> sounds difficult for me used to grafic interfaces
[19:11] <durt> well you only need use it to install the LXDE gui and synaptic.
[19:12] <Flori_> what's gui, please?
[19:12] <durt> after that your good to go in a graphical environment
[19:12] <durt> graphical user interface
[19:12] <Flori_> ah, ok.
[19:13] <Flori_> thanks, I'LL try!
[19:13] <Flori_> See you.
[19:14] <Hezy> Flori_ you can also try a live CD with LXED, it will be easier and you'll see if it fits your needs
[19:16] <Hezy> Knoppix 6.0 is a Live CD that uses LXDE and it is based on Debian (just like Ubuntu does), so it is not too different.
[19:18] <SiDi> As incredible as it may seem to be, I thought that this was #xubuntu and not #lubuntu.
[19:19] <knome> SiDi, woot! i'm on the wrong channel then
[19:19] <knome> :P
[19:19] <SiDi> knome: yyeh, go pink pink binary birds for LXDE !
[19:19] <knome> meh
[19:19] <SiDi> paint pink
[19:19] <SiDi> in 256 colours btw !
[19:20] <knome> meh
[19:30] <Hezy> SiDi: this is just for spying on the enemies ;)
[19:31] <Hezy> isn't this what live CD's are for?
[19:33] <SiDi> no. They're for playing freezbie
[19:33] <knome> what if i don't do sports?
[19:35] <Hezy> SiDi: CDs are not stable enough for freezbie
[19:35] <Hezy> try glass plate insted
[21:07] <eocyte__>  hello, i use ubuntu on notebook, but I installed today xfce and I have got this problem. "Fn" hotkey for sound stopped working in xfce but in gnome it is working. Where is the problem?
[22:09] <thejayjetson> bluetooth mouse has be set up each time upon log in-how can i get it to auto connect?


[19:02] <Bluefoxicy> is it appropriate to report "use LVM for root filesystem in Raspberry Pi images" as an Ubuntu bug?
[19:04] <Bluefoxicy> (it would be extremely useful to be able to snapshot the root fs, such as for Bacula backups)
[21:36] <rbasak> Bluefoxicy: it's a perfectly valid request, though I'm not sure that filing a bug for that would result in it happening in any way
[21:37] <rbasak> It would seem like quite an impactful change to me
[21:37] <rbasak> What about Ubuntu cloud images for other platforms, for example? Should those change to LVM too?
[21:38] <rbasak> Anyway, feel free to file a bug. I just wanted to set expectations that you might not see anything happen as a result unless you're volunteering to do most of the work, at which point it becomes a valid technical question as to whether it's an appropriate change to make.
[21:53] <GrimSleepless> Hello guys, I am making an implementation of apt-add-repository for a project in python. I don't know if I am at the right place to ask that... If I am wrong don't be shy to point me in the right direction. Is there documentation out there on how to retrieve the gpg key of a new repository you are adding to your distribution?
[21:53] <cjwatson> apt-add-repository is already implemented in Python, so you might just use it ...
[21:54] <GrimSleepless> I guess I could since I am working on an Open Source project
[21:55] <GrimSleepless> cjwatson: The source code is on launchpad, isn't it?
[21:56] <cjwatson> You could also look at softwareproperties.ppa (which is where the relevant bit of apt-add-repository is implemented); start from AddPPASigningKey
[21:57] <cjwatson> https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/tree/softwareproperties/ppa.py
[21:57] <GrimSleepless> cjwatson: cool thank you! I will have a look!
[21:57] <cjwatson> (There's a little bit of cruft in there - it still makes reference to keyserver.ubuntu.com, but no longer actually uses that, it calls a webservice API method on Launchpad instead)
[21:58] <cjwatson> That's specific to PPAs though.  If your repository is somewhere else then there's no standard for how to do this
[22:01] <cjwatson> You either need to be able to ship some kind of root of trust with your program or you need to be able to get hold of the signing key via some kind of HTTPS API (which is effectively delegating the root of trust to the global CA system)
[22:01] <cjwatson> Or some combination of those
[22:02] <GrimSleepless> cjwatson: Yes, indeed. This is the reason why I have created my own implementation. so it can be possible to add docker or other software that have their own repository and keys.
[22:03] <cjwatson> Right, but regardless, there is no single documentation or standard for how to do this that you can refer to
[22:04] <cjwatson> We can point you (and I have) for how to do it for PPAs, which cover quite a lot of repositories, but for anything else it's case by case
[22:04] <GrimSleepless> cjwatson: I understand. Thank you so much for helping me out!
[22:05] <cjwatson> np.  good luck
[22:05] <GrimSleepless> thanks!


[13:35] <rouca> eslerm: any news of sendmail ?
[14:37] <tsimonq2> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/resources-for-development-related-tasks/42544 :)