[02:53] <pleia2> woo, pasadena airport
[02:54] <pleia2> wow, we need a lot of summaries, anyone about?
[03:12] <pleia2> still need to write all planet summaries, but going to bullet point the blogosphere ones
[03:12] <pleia2> half the people in this boarding area are from Facebook o_O
[03:29] <pleia2> Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue451
[03:30] <pleia2> and sent off to editors
[03:31] <Unit193> Thinking it looks good.
[03:33] <pleia2> thank you :)
[03:45]  * pleia2 airplane
[19:53] <PaulW2U> editorial review done
[20:22] <pleia2> thanks PaulW2U \o/


[13:09] <punkgeek> I want to upload a shell script file into the running VM on qemu. Is there any way other than using ssh access? libvirtguestfs was a good method but it requires turning VM off. I'm using VMware tools on the VMware infrastructure which gives me an option to login into the VM by user and password. What can I do on qemu virtualization?
[13:58] <tomreyn> punkgeek: spice offers some kind of file sharing or transfer, i think
[13:59] <tomreyn> or you could mount another storage (with just the script in it) to the VM, or set up some other network based disk access on the vm (nfs, samba, nbd, ...)
[14:33] <punkgeek> tomreyn: Thank you but I want to run it after uploading
[16:24] <JanC> what's wrong with using SSH and/or SPICE?
[16:45] <punkgeek> JanC: the vm doesn't have network
[16:45] <JanC> so what _does_ it have enabled?
[16:48] <JanC> how do you interact with it normally?
[18:27] <patdk-lap> normally if there is no network, I'll just use paste into the vm console
[18:47] <TheGuestMovie> Is there any point in using ESXi on a home server now that there's Docker/LXC/containers? If all you're running is Linux systems, then VMs are just extra overhead for nothing, right?
[19:26] <patdk-lap> depends
[19:28] <TheGuestMovie> patdk-lap: lay it on me
[19:29] <TheGuestMovie> I've used ESXi before, before I learned Docker. Last week I started using Docker and it seems way superior, if only because of very low RAM usage, and shared storage filesystem.
[19:54] <patdk-lap> I use esxi + docker + k8s + lxc
[19:54] <patdk-lap> basically gave up on lxc and moved it to docker, lxc is much more vm like than docker
[19:55] <patdk-lap> but some things just don' twork in docker, or is just way too annoying to bother in docker
[19:55] <patdk-lap> I do run esxi clusters and k8s clusters side by side
[20:03] <TheGuestMovie> bearing in mind I'm a home user just running random independent self-hosted apps and hoping to minimize required hardware. I dont need "corporate" features (and ESXi doesnt really have those either)
[20:04] <TheGuestMovie> what doesnt work in Docker?
[20:04] <TheGuestMovie> I know snaps dont
[20:10] <patdk-lap> for me, just doing network management has been a huge pain to do in docker
[20:23] <tomreyn> the main difference between virtualization and containers would be the strength of isolation, and whether you can run cross-platform code.
[20:24] <TheGuestMovie> tomreyn: right. So for someone who's only running Linux services, and who considers Docker "isolated enough", it's a no-brainer, Docker wins right?
[20:26] <tomreyn> if you can live with its network + storage management, and the design which is more targetted at development rather than long term operation, yes.
[20:27] <TheGuestMovie> I mean I have a Ubuntu 20.04 container I'm using to run my backup jobs on my NAS, and it's just using 20MB of RAM and a tiny amount of disk space.
[20:27] <tomreyn> or lxc/lxd, which is the better design, just ubuntu sadly made it a snap, which makes it pretty useless.
[20:27] <TheGuestMovie> why isn't it good for long term operation?
[20:27] <TheGuestMovie> eh, I already learned Docker, dont feel like learning something else
[20:27] <TheGuestMovie> (My NAS only supports Docker anyway)
[20:29] <tomreyn> i'd say don't run complex / live services where your backups are (which is often on a NAS)
[20:30] <tomreyn> i didn't say docker isn't good for long-term operation, just saying it's primarily designed for the use case where you create minimalistic images, deploy them, run them for a while, then replace them by a new image. you can do long term operation that way, as long as you keep building new images.
[20:31] <tomreyn> you can also break out of this original design and just run those guests long-term, it's just not how it's meant to be used.
[20:33] <TheGuestMovie> yeah I get that. I'm using --volume to have the data dir be on the host filesystem. As long as the updated image doesnt break anything (and because I'm not using "latest" tag, it shouldnt), I'll be OK
[20:33] <tomreyn> "long term operation" is probably not the best way to describe it. i was comparing to the general home system which you install at some point, then just keep installed and run release upgrades on over the years (at least that's a common pattern)
[20:35] <TheGuestMovie> so from what I'm picking up here, a power user who knows they're using Linux ,and who will use --volume mappings to keep data outside the container, Docker is a superior replacement to ESXi due to far smaller resource usage, and simpler management
[20:35] <TheGuestMovie> *who knows they're using Linux exclusively
[20:36] <patdk-lap> for me, setting up and doing autoupdates in a vm is *simpler* mostly
[20:36] <patdk-lap> backing that up might be more complex for a home user
[20:36] <patdk-lap> docker is simple to backup, but updating images can be a pain
[20:36] <patdk-lap> if the source you use updates good nice, and just have to watch for breaking changes
[20:36] <patdk-lap> then it's just the images you build yourself
[20:37] <TheGuestMovie> why would updating the OS/image be more of a challenge on Docker than a VM?
[20:38] <patdk-lap> well letys just say there is something called debian/ubuntu that already made that auotupdate work and they test the updates
[20:38] <patdk-lap> docker images, not so much
[20:38] <patdk-lap> some do, and they are good, most are kindof crap
[20:38] <patdk-lap> and the more specific you get your docker image, the more crap you tend to run into
[20:39] <TheGuestMovie> but they're the ones publishing the docker images. eg https://hub.docker.com/layers/ubuntu/library/ubuntu/focal/images/sha256-3555f4996aea6be945ae1532fa377c88f4b3b9e6d93531f47af5d78a7d5e3761?context=explore
[20:39] <patdk-lap> yes, and that is a base
[20:39] <patdk-lap> but that doesn't do anything in itself
[20:39] <patdk-lap> you would have to build a docker image that installs apache or whatever it is you want to do
[20:39] <patdk-lap> now it's not so much autoupdate anymore
[20:39] <TheGuestMovie> right, the Dockerfile. I wrote that one myself
[20:40] <TheGuestMovie> I see what you mean
[20:40] <patdk-lap> it's not a huge deal, but your going have to update and re publish it and move over to it
[20:40] <TheGuestMovie> I'm good until 2025 though.
[20:41] <patdk-lap> ya, but it is nicer to use someone elses apache made containers
[20:41] <patdk-lap> like say, use nginx, and not worry about it, and let it update itself in docker
[20:41] <patdk-lap> you just have to watch for breaking changes, and if they continue to update it
[20:41] <patdk-lap> nginx your not likely to have an issue
[20:41] <TheGuestMovie> OK, I get what you mean
[20:42] <patdk-lap> but like I said, the more specific you get, the more issue, like nextcloud
[20:42] <TheGuestMovie> oh? tell me about Nextcloud. I was planning to run that at home soon.
[20:42] <patdk-lap> I put it on a manual pile
[20:43] <patdk-lap> it's always having conflicts when going between major versions, kindof expected, and sql issues you need to resolve manually
[20:43] <patdk-lap> but they made that upgrade process really manually attended :(
[20:43] <patdk-lap> it can work ok most of the time, but you really need to check it each time and cannot just leave it to upgrade at will
[20:44] <TheGuestMovie> that makes sense though. Even if they claimed upgrades are fully tested I'd still never run a "latest" image of ANYTHING that saved data.
[20:44] <TheGuestMovie> cause you're one developer bug away from losing stuff. I know, I know, backups.
[20:48] <TheGuestMovie> do you advise a casual user with some Linux experience, but zero experience in hosting stuff on the public internet, in running a Nextcloud on the Internet? Can I just stay on their major Docker image (v22 right now), recreate it periodically for updates, and update the image when v23 is out, and not get hacked?
[20:48] <TheGuestMovie> only the Nextcloud port (443) would be open on the firewall
[20:49] <patdk-lap> well, install otp and set it up for your accounts
[20:50] <TheGuestMovie> 2fa? I'm not worried about being brute-forced, I'd pick a complex password created by my password manager. It's more about flaws in Nextcloud or the webserver software. I've never used any of that.
[20:50] <TheGuestMovie> And I presume Nextcloud has some sort of "ban IP on too many login failures" setting
[20:50] <patdk-lap> it's easy to protect from brute force
[20:50] <patdk-lap> that isn't what 2fa is protecting against
[20:51] <patdk-lap> well, there is no way around flaws
[20:51] <patdk-lap> the idea about flaws is to use something popular enough that flaws are found quickly
[20:51] <patdk-lap> or if it isn't and is attacked, someone else will report the attack and it will be fixed before you are attacked
[20:52] <patdk-lap> or can apply protection for that attack
[20:52] <TheGuestMovie> so nothing wrong with hosting Nextcloud on the internet despite lack of experience
[20:52] <TheGuestMovie> as long as I make sure the container image is updated periodically
[20:52] <patdk-lap> na, normally experience just has to do with how quickly you respond to issues
[20:52] <TheGuestMovie> (to pull the latest v22 with the patches)
[20:53] <TheGuestMovie> tbh I was hoping to simply let it run in autopilot and never look at it again :/
[20:53] <patdk-lap> I put a docker-notify thing so when a new image is released I'm notified and can check the release changlog
[20:53] <patdk-lap> for things that don't have their own security mailing list
[20:54] <patdk-lap> nextcloud does have a build in email security thing if you add yourself to the admin group
[20:54] <TheGuestMovie> nice, I'll save this
[20:54] <patdk-lap> love docker-notify
[20:54] <patdk-lap> mostly cause cloudflared doesn't have any release notifications :(
[20:57] <TheGuestMovie> I set up Radarr, Sonarr, Calibre-web, etc at home with Docker. honestly I love how convenient Docker made this, it's become AppImage for Linux backend daemons.
[20:58] <TheGuestMovie> better than AppImage, since AppImage is still contending with Flatpak and Snap
[20:58] <TheGuestMovie> while Docker images are supported in most container systems (correct me if I'm wrong)
[20:59] <patdk-lap> well, a docker image is just a filesystem
[21:00] <patdk-lap> just a collection of tar.gz files in basic terms
[21:00] <patdk-lap> and some metadata added
[21:01] <TheGuestMovie> imagine if desktop apps had a similar "ship all dependencies" mentality. I think Debian (and therefore Ubuntu) is still shackled by restraints from 20 years ago, by forcing the split of dynamic libraries.
[21:01] <patdk-lap> no, that would be insane
[21:02] <patdk-lap> dynamic libraries allows you to contain security to limited set of things
[21:02] <patdk-lap> if everything installed whatever version of everything it wanted
[21:02] <patdk-lap> it would be insane to patch
[21:03] <patdk-lap> like right now, if openssl has an issue
[21:03] <TheGuestMovie> and yet , we ended up either running old obsolete software, or AppImage and Snap and Flatpak which have the same issue, but are fragmenting the choice of a single format
[21:03] <patdk-lap> it's simple to patch that
[21:03] <patdk-lap> in docker, you have to wait for every docker image to update openssl then download those images and run them
[21:04] <patdk-lap> snap resolves it, by keeping the dependencies as seperate snaps
[21:04] <patdk-lap> I don't know anything about the others and I'm not fond of snap at all
[21:04] <TheGuestMovie> so snap has eg Qt 5.1, 5.2, ... 5.15, 6.0, all as separate snaps that remain in the snap database?
[21:04] <patdk-lap> yes, unless you remove them, and as long as some other snap it using it
[21:05] <TheGuestMovie> so there's a list of base dependency snaps? Who maintains those, Canonical?
[21:05] <patdk-lap> whoever made that snap
[21:06] <patdk-lap> canonical made many
[21:06] <patdk-lap> changing lxc to only be a snap is what finally killed lxc for me
[21:06] <TheGuestMovie> I didnt actually know this, I havent used Snap. the one time I needed it, when I ran the app, it didnt work (required a webservice) and the dev said the snap was too old.  I just find the odd AppImage sometimes online.
[21:07] <TheGuestMovie> (to be clear the webservice was the website the snap app was a client for, not Ubuntu's fault)
[21:07] <TheGuestMovie> AppImage is "here's everything, it WILL work"
[21:10] <TheGuestMovie> About OpenOTP which you recommended earlier...the latest Nextcloud version posted here is 15: https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/twofactor_rcdevsopenotp/releases   Nextcloud is at v22 now
[21:11] <TheGuestMovie> will it still work? Do you use it?
[21:11] <patdk-lap> dunno about openotp
[21:12] <TheGuestMovie> ok, nm, there's many more 2FA apps on Nextcloud under Security. I just mentioned OpenOTP cause you did.
[21:13] <patdk-lap> Two-Factor TOTP and Two_Factor U2F
[21:13] <patdk-lap> I mentioned OTP
[21:13] <patdk-lap> I didn't specify the type of otp
[21:14] <TheGuestMovie> my bad, you did
[21:14] <patdk-lap> just use my yubikey in u2f mode
[21:14] <patdk-lap> and totp for if I don'y have my yubi on me
[21:16] <TheGuestMovie> Thanks for all the advice. I'm looking forward to setting up Nextcloud...even though I have a feeling I wont use it much
[21:17] <patdk-lap> I have all my backups get copied offsite using it
[21:17] <patdk-lap> and phones all get backedup to it
[21:17] <TheGuestMovie> via the Nextcloud mobile apps?
[21:17] <punkgeek>  can I excute system command such as virt-customize through python libvirt conenction?  conn = libvirt.openAuth('qemu+ssh://root@ip', auth, 0)
[21:18] <patdk-lap> yes
[21:18] <patdk-lap> also desktop
[21:18] <patdk-lap> my wife gets her pictures synced from phone to her desktop and backup in nextcloud now, she happy
[21:18] <patdk-lap> icloud won't sync it to the desktop


[00:53] <tsimonq2> Oh hi.
[00:53] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: Looks like that stage is all good.
[00:59] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: So, with this changelog entry...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/e624fb4a707bba6008c14dfa34b657b4d004ba5d)
[01:02] <tsimonq2> In lxqt-config you missed a dash, fixing:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/75d57d9826f9e2bb7e08e37ea4425fe6727ef1f4)
[01:15] <tsimonq2> All of the packages in that list are uploading now. Please let me know if I missed one.
[01:46] <tsimonq2> Closed all of the PRs, should be solid for now
[01:46] <tsimonq2> Let me know once you have another list, Aaron
[01:46] <tsimonq2> For now I go back to being afk :)
[17:28] <kc2bez[m]> Testers - Please verify https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1980687
[17:28] <kc2bez[m]> Thanks
[17:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Good afternoon!
[17:32] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> arraybolt3: So, with this changelog entry...... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/46f4ece738bb05a95fbb416d8da0c61c3debe667)
[17:32] <arraybolt3[m]> > <@tsimonq2:linuxdelta.com> In lxqt-config you missed a dash, fixing:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/c490c387d2277cb754ae5b989ca842c082686245)
[17:33] <arraybolt3[m]> kc2bez[m]: Fresh VM?
[17:34] <kc2bez[m]> arraybolt3[m]: A jammy VM, probably doesn't need to be fresh but it does need the version of Quassel in -proposed.
[17:34] <arraybolt3[m]> OK (was about to spin up Kinetic...)
[17:34] <kc2bez[m]> Kinetic should be released already so that should work too.
[17:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Well making a Jammy system is trivial.
[17:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Just install, update, reboot, open Quassel, right?
[17:35] <kc2bez[m]> The jammy -proposed one needs the verification.
[17:35] <arraybolt3[m]> (Oh, an enabled -proposed. Got it.)
[17:35] <kc2bez[m]> yup
 Testing Jammy Quassel proposed right now
[17:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Me too.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> Let me know how it goes.....
[17:36] <kc2bez[m]> cool, a couple can't hurt
[17:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, it should be stupid simple.
[17:37] <kc2bez[m]> Very true
 OK - Network name : DebianIRC but server is irc.libera.chat:6696 and join channel #ubuntu
[17:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Uh.... did I miss... the.... network... .name.....
[17:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> ?
[17:39]  * Eickmeyer[m] facepalms hard
[17:39] <arraybolt3[m]> Guess we're about to find out.
 yes (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> Uh.... did I miss... the.... network... .name.....)
[17:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> sigh A one-line change, not hard to fix, but back to the drawing board a little.
[17:40] <kc2bez[m]> iterative changes, progress all the way.
[17:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, but the SRU team tends to get annoyed with this stuff.
 Should I hold off with bug comments? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, but the SRU team tends to get annoyed with this stuff.)
[17:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> @Leokolb Yeah, probably. I'm already on it.
[17:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1980687/comments/5
 ok fine - give a shout when it needs re-testing (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> @Leokolb Yeah, probably. I'm already on it.)
[18:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> @Leokolb Feel free to comment if you wish, but I don't know how much more you can add. I'll also alert Robie.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, @Leokolb, arraybolt3 Dan Simmons , the fix for the quassel name has been accepted, we're good to go.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Rather, the network name.
[18:34] <kc2bez[m]> Excellent, thanks for the update.
[18:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> No prob.
 tks ..running test (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, @Leokolb, arraybolt3 Dan Simmons , the fix for the quassel name has been accepted, we're good to go.)
[18:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> @Leokolb it's not even in proposed yet.
 ohhhh...ok np (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> @Leokolb it's not even in proposed yet.)
[18:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Still building.
 Saw the comment from Robie..
[18:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's a hybrid-automated comment when they accept an SRU.
[18:44] <kc2bez[m]> You can watch the build process here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/1:0.14.0-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley (Developer): There's still a couple of Stage IV LXQt backports that haven't been merged yet (I think I did them late last night): https://github.com/lubuntu-team/qterminal-packaging/pull/1 and https://github.com/lubuntu-team/xdg-desktop-portal-lxqt-packaging/pull/1
 Quassel after 22.04.3 upgrade - https://imgur.com/a/XLDHpYD (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's a hybrid-automated comment when they accept an SRU.)
[20:17] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/
[20:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> Take a look for UbuntuIRC.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> (should be default)
 NP connecting to #ubuntu (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> (should be default))
[20:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Awesome.
 yes ..have to run but good to get another confirm on this (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Eickmeyer[m]> Awesome.)
[20:25] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: ^
[20:25] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Will test shortly.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/+bug/1974231 I can't update the manual on xscreensaver becasue I keep running into this bug I filed
[22:11]  * tsimonq2 uploaded an image: (205KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/linuxdelta.com/lghTXhzMHhwgxbjUrdeqNFdY/Screenshot_20220706-171127_Outlook.jpg >
[22:12] <arraybolt3[m]> Hey, did you see the two last Stage IV PR's I linked to? Simon Quigley (Developer)
[22:13] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3[m]: Yes I did
[22:13] <tsimonq2> I will review them in a bit
[22:13] <tsimonq2> Feel free to start on others as well :)
[22:14] <arraybolt3[m]> Nice. I'll be done with Stage V by tonight most likely. Then we can sprint tomorrow.
 okay, so i've got drone partially set up
 it's set up with the docker runner. not sure if we can create a template 'build' env that allows us to launch the relevant docker image builds and produce build runs, but if not i can always create an ssh/exec runner on a relevant LXD container for a given release and set stuff up.  or create an exec runner that has access to sbuild etc. calls
 @kc2bez see above
 right now it only has the docker runner on it, but at least i'm making progress.  it's running on a RamNode VPS at the moment, because it suggested NOT running the drone stuff on the same system as other resources so
 (max of 2 concurrent builds at the moment though, might up it to 4 but we'll see)
 at least i'm STARTING to make progress
[23:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Wow, that's exciting! You're having to run it on a VPS? Would it potentially be cheaper to run it on cheap physical hardware (say intel i3 Alder Lake)?
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Recent Intel i3s have gotten insanely fast just recently.
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> I put together a sample build in PCPartPicker for ~$600 that should have been able to take on 8 concurrent builds.


[01:43] <whurley> hi all, we're (the Open Management Consortium) evaluating Ubuntu Server and having some issues installing it on our servers. I thought perhaps someone here could help us out.
[01:45] <whurley> the issue: when installing onto boxes supplied to us by Penguin Computing (dual opteron 248s 4GB ram 300GB hd) the amd 64 bit Ubuntu cd boots up fine but freezes right after the "io scheduler cfg registered" and right before where the kernel should be loaded into the ram disk. We're tried several boot options and other tricks and tips but nothing works. Any suggestions?
[03:50] <nictuku> hi
[03:58] <nictuku> I'm building a test platform for nwu using pbuilder.
[03:59] <nictuku> one of the tasks is to do retake the tests Junichi Uekawa was doing for Debian
[03:59] <nictuku> so I can check how every package deal with non-interactive installation
[04:00] <nictuku> maybe I'll be able to build a 'blacklist' of packages that nwu shouldn't touch
[04:02] <nictuku> question is, is there any kind of batch mass-install test currently in production, maybe internally?
[04:06] <ajmitch> nictuku: piuparts
[04:06] <ajmitch> it was designed more for testing installs, compared to pbuilder which was for building
[04:11] <nictuku> ajmitch, so I lost a couple hours of work to do what piuparts does better :-)
[04:12] <ajmitch> at least it was hours, not days :)
[04:12] <ajmitch> iwj *may* have some automated testing stuff done
[04:12] <ajmitch> which he was going to do with xen, iirc
[04:13] <nictuku> thanks, I'll investigate
[06:22] <dura> can i use a breezy package on dapper by chance?
[06:22] <dura> wana try midgard cms
[11:29] <\sh> hi guys
[11:44] <\sh> hmm...splash enabled kernels (from dapper) are not working with the ilo software of HP BLade bl35p
[11:45] <infinity> Err, you're not actually trying to boot with a splash over ilo?
[11:47] <maswan> \sh: even when booting nosplash (or whatever it is called)?
[11:48] <maswan> and isnt the server kernel nonsplashy by default even?
[11:48] <\sh> maswan: no...without the splash setting it works perfectly
[11:48] <\sh> maswan: no...and that's somehow strange
[11:49] <infinity> THe server kernel can do splash just as well as any, but the server install doesn't install usplash (hence you'd never get a splash)
[11:49] <\sh> infinity: then something is wrong with my 6.06 server cd
[11:49] <infinity> Oh, but there may well be a bug in initramfs-tools where it'll load vga16fb for your console if "splash" is on the command line, even if there's no usplash.
[11:49] <infinity> ISTR that was a "too late to fix" issue that we left alone.
[11:50] <\sh> I just did an dist-upgrade for all sec updates and it installs the 2.6.25-27 kernel with the splash option
[11:50] <infinity> Just whack "splash" out of your grub config and you'll be forever happy.
[11:51] <\sh> what about new kernels to come? the grub config is added from the kernel package, or am I wrong?
[11:51] <infinity> It's not so much a bug as a misfeature.  Nothing wrong with having a framebuffer console by default.. Except that ILO hates it.
[11:52] <infinity> \sh: Change #def
[11:52] <\sh> grmpf...got the setting for update-grub
[11:52] <infinity> Err.
[11:52] <infinity> Change "# defoptions" in menu.lst, then run update-grub.
[11:52] <\sh> jepp
[11:52] <\sh> infinity: btw, do you know anyone who installed an oracle 10g on dapper?
[11:53] <infinity> Not off hand, no.
[11:56] <fabbione> \sh: somebody installed the express version available as .deb from oracle.com
[11:56] <fabbione> but i don't know about the full version
[11:57] <\sh> fabbione: that's my question...I'm planning a switch of distros here at combots from sles9 to ubuntu dapper...the only problem I have right now is to convience the management, that we also can use ubuntu dapper server 6.06 tls as oracle server ,-)
[12:01] <fabbione> \sh: now i have a question for you... given that i told you that there is a .deb from oracle for oracle DB (in a ligher version of the full one) and that we do officially support OCFS2.. what's the answer to your question?
[12:08] <\sh> fabbione: the answer is yes, but my problem is "Official Oracle Certificaton for Ubuntu Dapper", management shit
[12:09] <fabbione> no Oracle doesn't support Ubuntu yet
[01:17] <J_P> hi all
[04:11] <whurley> Has anyone here ever looked at/used openQRM (http://openQRM.org)
[04:12] <whurley> I;m the project lead and I'd like to ind a way to get it integrated with the server build since the software is production quality and has a ton of automation features that I think would be useful to people deploying Ubuntu server in their data centers
[04:13] <whurley> I'm trying to work on testing it myself here at the OMC (open management consortium) however, I still can't get Ubuntu server installed on the boxes we have (frustrating)
[04:14] <lionelp> whurley: the topic has come into discussion somes times here, but I am not aware of any effort for packaging it
[04:14] <lionelp> whurley: as you (may or may not) know, today is a freeze day for Ubuntu (freeze for next release in october)
[04:14] <whurley> well, I would be more than happy to start a systems mgmt team to take it, and other projects within the OMC and pkg them up
[04:15] <lionelp> so now, integrating new software will be for Edgy+1
[04:15] <whurley> lionelp: I wasn't aware, sorry I'm fairly new to Ubuntu in general
[04:15] <lionelp> do not be sorry: you're welcome !
[04:15] <whurley> lol
[04:15] <whurley> thanks
[04:15] <whurley> well, setting a solid plan to integrate with Edgy+1 is no issue
[04:16] <whurley> the software is pretty popular and there's a good community around it
[04:16] <whurley> what are the milestones/dates around Edgy+1?
[04:16] <lionelp> it is not planed yet
[04:16] <whurley> so perfect timing huh? :)
[04:17] <lionelp> edgy+1 will be released in april 2007, that all what we know :)
[04:17] <whurley> well, I'll see what I can pull together, perhaps finding a few people in the community to release a .deb (or whatever is required) would be a good first step
[04:17] <lionelp> (a release every six moth)
[04:18] <lionelp> whurley: do you have some sort of package or not yet ?
[04:18] <whurley> so can you help me with my installation issue here? Or should I go to a different channel (none have been too helpful so far)
[04:18] <lionelp> whurley: this is not a support channel, but when the question is server related, it can be answered here :)
[04:19] <whurley> lionelp: we've had community contributors create a few .debs however they haven't been through nay testing
[04:19] <whurley> Cool!
[04:19] <lionelp> whurley: were are the deb ?
[04:19] <whurley> lionelp: Here is the issue I'm having trouble with. When installing onto boxes supplied to us by Penguin Computing (dual opteron 248s 4GB ram 300GB hd) the amd 64 bit Ubuntu cd boots up fine but freezes right after the "io scheduler cfg registered" and right before where the kernel should be loaded into the ram disk. We're tried several boot options and other tricks and tips but nothing works. Any suggestions?
[04:22] <whurley> lionelp: I tried several different boot options, and everything I could find in the forums but I have to think there's something simple that can help me get this installed. The OMC (http://openmanagement.org) is building a new data center and we'd like to std. on Ubuntu server...if I can get us past step #1 :)
[04:23] <lionelp> whurley: which cd are you using ? Dapper server CD ?
[04:24] <whurley> lionelp: ubuntu-6.06.1-server-amd64.iso
[04:25] <whurley> lionelp: it boots fine, the memory test, etc work however I have that freeze wen trying to install
[04:25] <whurley> lionelp: just a note, the result is the same across all of the boxes and we re-burned the CD to make sure there wasn't any corruption issues
[04:25] <lionelp> OKay
[04:27] <whurley> lionelp: I'm at my wits end because I'm not sure what I can change that will get us up and running and we'd like to announce what server we've selected at ApacheCon here in Austin on the 9th
[04:27] <lionelp> Could you post a bug on malone ? You will have the good intrelocutors.
[04:27] <lionelp> I am not strong enough
[04:28] <whurley> lionelp: no worries no one has been so far :)
[04:29] <whurley> lionelp: we have several people here looking at it and Canonical, AMD and Penguin are trying to help with the issue...just no one has so far ;)


[00:27] <TDO|Denton> 'lo
[06:56] <user|19430> Hi
[06:57] <user|19430> Anyone online?
[06:59] <diogenes_> !ask | user|19430
[07:01] <user|19430> Sorry... I'm new to xubuntu ... It's taking 3 minutes to boot but Ubuntu gnome takes 22 sec to boot ... I'm using 20.04
[07:01] <user|19430> And is there a telegram group of xubuntu?
[07:05] <diogenes_> user|19430, any kinds of bugs could happen to 20.04 at this stage.
[07:05] <well_laid_lawn> user|19430:  try   systemd-analyze blame   in a terminal https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-analyze.html
[07:08] <user|19430> It's showing fwupd.service on top ... Over a minute
[07:15] <user|19430> ?
[16:11] <xu-help98w> I have a problem installign lubuntu or xubuntu (either one would satisfy me). Now 'm back running ubuntu, since the sound dont work on xubuntu/lubuntu. Could someone point me in the right direction to a support forum where I could post details?
[18:58] <cousteau> Hi!  Any recommendations for a simple audio recorder?
[19:02] <well_laid_lawn> cousteau:  alsa comes with arecord
[19:02] <diogenes_> cousteau, i use audacity.
[19:02] <cousteau> ok thanks!
[19:03] <cousteau> I just installed gnome-sound-recorder, but that doesn't seem to allow saving files
[19:03] <cousteau> well_laid_lawn, well I was expecting something slightly less simple than a command line utility but I guess that'll do
[19:05] <cousteau> ah never mind, I have a ~/Recordings folder now
[19:06] <cousteau> (who was the genius who decided to put the record and stop buttons two miles apart though?)
[21:51] <n-iCe> hi guys, can I make xubuntu to run faster settings the governors to always be in performance?
[21:57] <well_laid_lawn> n-iCe:  if your cpu has that option sure you can
[22:03] <n-iCe> how can I know sorry


[12:22] <hobgoblin> cortman: go to one of the pages then settings
[12:23] <cortman> uh huh
[12:23] <hobgoblin> then preferences - set theme to something other than default - save and you'll probably need to reload the page after it refreshes
[12:23] <cortman> ok
[12:23] <cortman> I had it at "light theme" to start with
[12:23] <hobgoblin> I had it on classic
[12:24] <cortman> I'm changing it to classic lol
[12:24] <hobgoblin> pointless though as no-one will actually see it
[12:24] <cortman> Wow
[12:24] <hobgoblin> other than people no set to default
[12:25] <cortman> So should I pursue it with Matthew and friends?
[12:26] <hobgoblin> they'll want someone to do the patch
[12:26] <hobgoblin> I think given that they are looking at sumo anyway at some point it'll be a waste of time - but that's up to you :)
[12:26] <hobgoblin> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/uds-q/2-community-q-docteam
[12:27] <cortman> OK
[12:27] <cortman> It's not a big deal I guess, just rather annoying
[12:27] <hobgoblin> yep
[12:27] <cortman> And goodness knows how little time I have to pursue that right now anyway
[12:27] <hobgoblin> lol
[19:28] <wildmanne39> hey elfy
[19:34] <elfy> hi wildmanne39
[19:36] <wildmanne39> elfy, when you get time will you look at this wiki and see how it looks to you, it was difficult because it called for colors and and such that did not work so I have tried to do it without them. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeALiveCD/DVD/BootableFlashFromHarddiskInstall
[19:37] <elfy> I shall look right now :)
[19:37] <wildmanne39> okay thanks
[19:43] <elfy> looks great wildmanne39 :)
[19:43] <elfy> I see what you mean about the colour thing
[19:44] <wildmanne39> thanks for looking, I could get it to work in a line by itself but not in a sentence
[19:45] <elfy> yea - I think it is all about themes in wiki
[19:45] <wildmanne39> I have been trying to get this wiki done for more then a week but I did it a little at a time because of the issues, I was hoping they would get fixed
[19:45] <elfy> the default one doesn't work
[19:45] <wildmanne39> that is what they said
[19:46] <wildmanne39> I tahink they are working on it now
[19:46] <wildmanne39> think
[19:47] <wildmanne39> I am glad to be done with that one
[19:48] <elfy> I've been a bit fail lately I'm afraid
[19:53] <wildmanne39> it happens to all of us from time to time, I personally am going to stay away from wiki's for the next 2 days and enjoy a break
[19:54] <cortman> I'm off-and-on too on this
[19:54] <cortman> Plus running out of threads to wikify...
[19:55] <elfy> good - glad both of you are aware of burnout or - appears so :)
[19:55] <elfy> cortman: yea - time to trawl again - especially now that posts are uneditable
[19:55] <wildmanne39> cortman, I could not even get bold text to work today while working with commands in the wiki, it would work outside of the command structure but not within
[19:56] <cortman> yeah elfy I didn't quite get that?
[19:57] <cortman> Original posts more than 24 hrs old can't be edited any more?
[19:57] <cortman> wildmanne39, that is ridiculous...
[19:57] <wildmanne39> that is why I am taking a the next 2 days, I think the author could have written his guide better not use all the colors like he did
[19:57] <wildmanne39> cortman, in T&T?
[19:57] <elfy> cortman: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=341621
[19:58] <elfy> that was not like that when I added it to the list ...
[19:58] <elfy> spam - create posts then come back later and edit in the spam
[19:59] <cortman> Whoa
[20:00] <elfy> wildmanne39: everywhere - after 24 hours (I think) only staff can edit posts
[20:00] <cortman> but what about this ?
[20:00] <cortman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1909108
[20:00] <wildmanne39> can you still edit that cortman
[20:00] <elfy> cortman - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2011597
[20:01] <cortman> crouaghtauodhgh
[20:01] <cortman> It appears like I can't wildmanne39
[20:02] <cortman> That's for all posts elfy ?
[20:02] <bodhi_zazen> elfy: I changed it to a week
[20:02] <elfy> yep
[20:02] <cortman> *all threads
[20:02] <elfy> oh right ok thanks bodhi_zazen
[20:02] <wildmanne39> the link answers that
[20:02] <bodhi_zazen> I thought a weed would be a little more reasonable
[20:02] <elfy> :)
[20:02] <elfy> I'll assume that's a typo :p
[20:03] <cortman> lol
[20:03] <bodhi_zazen> *cough*
[20:03] <cortman> So I can't update the master index on my command line resources thread?
[20:03] <wildmanne39> HAHA
[20:03] <elfy> oh so it wasn't then ...
[20:03] <elfy> cortman: nope
[20:03] <bodhi_zazen> cortman: you can, you just need a little assistance is all
[20:03] <bodhi_zazen> ask a staff here
[20:03] <cortman> Ok......
[20:03] <cortman> this is just dawning on me now.
[20:04] <cortman> Wow
[20:04] <cortman> Should that be moved to a wiki???
[20:04] <wildmanne39> cortman, an epiphany?
[20:04] <bodhi_zazen> Yea
[20:04] <bodhi_zazen> wiki wiki wiki
[20:04] <cortman> Ugh
[20:04] <elfy> :p
[20:04] <elfy> do you want some help with the tool cortman ?
[20:04] <elfy> :D
[20:05] <cortman> I guess it can be- I hadn't been sure for some time if that was proper wiki material
[20:05] <wildmanne39> LOL
[20:05]  * cortman kicks elfy
[20:05] <cortman> :P
[20:05] <elfy> :p
[20:05] <bodhi_zazen> cortman: bodhi_zazen	And there was much rejoicing - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12058229&postcount=27
[20:06] <cortman> crouaghtodhough
[20:06] <bodhi_zazen> There are a few potential recruits in that thread for people who may be willing to help with wiki
[20:06] <bodhi_zazen> If you could recruit one person a month ...
[20:06] <bodhi_zazen> one quality person ...
[20:06]  * cortman mutters under his breath
[20:07] <wildmanne39> it is time to get rid of the sticky in desktop environment don't you think?
[20:07] <elfy> bodhi_zazen: I doubt that anyone in that thread would be helping - unless they already are doing stuff - like QIII
[20:08] <cortman> I'll do my own thread if that's what's required... but...
[20:09] <elfy> wildmanne39: do you want it unstuck?
[20:09]  * cortman kicks elfy again, in an overwrought sort of way
[20:09] <wildmanne39> if it needs to be it is ok
[20:09] <wildmanne39> it is already a wiki
[20:10] <elfy> cortman: well it does mean anyone can add to the list :)
[20:10] <elfy> in a collaborative sort of way
[20:10] <bodhi_zazen> QIII FTW
[20:11] <elfy> yea -= breath of fresh air
[20:11] <cortman> I'm cool with wikifying the thread- just a bit of a surprise.
[20:11] <elfy> :)
[20:11] <cortman> Obviously I'm for the wiki %100
[20:11] <cortman> But... whoosh
[20:12] <cortman> I will say- a week is a much better idea than 24 hrs.
[20:12] <bodhi_zazen> cortman: well, as you know, we are sort of headed in that direction, but, sometimes events tip the scales one way or another
[20:12] <cortman> And for other people to be able to contribute, that's great
[20:12] <cortman> to the resources thread in particular
[20:12] <elfy> wildmanne39: - you could ask a friendly mod to edit the first post with the link to the wiki and close it - leave it stuck for the moment and watch the views?
[20:12] <cortman> I guess bodhi_zazen
[20:13] <wildmanne39> that would be okay too elfy if you please?
[20:13] <wildmanne39> elfy, about to use his super ubuntu powers
[20:14] <elfy> is it the link that is already there wildmanne39 ?
[20:14] <cortman> And a weed is a much better idea than a week, for some anyway.
[20:14] <wildmanne39> elfy, yes
[20:14] <elfy> k
[20:16] <elfy> wildmanne39: Thread closed.
[20:16] <elfy> Please ask support questions in the appropriate forum.
[20:16] <elfy> is that ok?
[20:16] <wildmanne39> yes sounds good thanks
[20:17] <elfy> k
[20:18] <elfy> done then wildmanne39
[20:19] <wildmanne39> thanks
[20:19]  * elfy really needs to shut down threads that have been wikified and create dicussion threads for them
[20:19] <elfy> s/really needs to get on and/
[20:21] <wildmanne39> discussion threads will be normal threads right but where will they be located?
[20:21] <cortman> OK, the resource thread is added to pages for import
[20:21] <cortman> It feels like selling my firstborn
[20:21] <cortman> :)
[20:21] <wildmanne39> LOL
[20:22] <elfy> ha ha ha
[20:22] <cortman> On the plus side, I'll be able to get it into a proper grid form now.
[20:23] <elfy> wildmanne39: discussion thread in tutes'n'tips - no support, support threads in normal forums - no discussion
[20:23] <elfy> original thread closed with link to wiki and new discussion thread
[20:23] <elfy> bodhi_zazen: that is how we envisage it ^^ is it not?
[20:24] <bodhi_zazen> Yea
[20:24] <bodhi_zazen> T&T to discuss changes / updates to wiki
[20:24] <bodhi_zazen> support has always gone to support sections, T&T has some sticky about support questions
[20:25] <elfy> yep - cool - when I do the new threads I will set up a nice greasemokey script to do most of it :)
[20:25]  * bodhi_zazen writes a script to convert stickies to wikis (past present and future)
[20:25] <elfy> so they'll be exactly the same other than links
[20:26]  * elfy writes script to convert electricity to smoke and we can all go home
[20:26] <wildmanne39> LOL
[20:26] <bodhi_zazen> Oh I have the hardware to do that elfy
[20:26] <elfy> was that you !!!
[20:26] <elfy> can I buy it back now ?
[20:28] <wildmanne39> we need a new issue with wireless to give me more to do
[20:28] <elfy> wildmanne39: have a rest instead
[20:29] <wildmanne39> it has been slow all wiki wireless wise, just the wiki to keep me busy, I am taking a break from it
[20:30] <wildmanne39> now I can not type, time for a break
[20:30] <elfy> :)


[20:01] <gerzel> tyr: works fine on my netbook
[20:01] <genii-around> P-Chan: But yes, that is the idea
[20:01] <Mandy849> L3top: thanks I'll have a look at it
[20:01] <daverw> Tyr2007, I used to run ubuntu 11.04 on a samsung n230 and it was great for my needs
[20:01] <Tyr2007> does it run smothly?? and how hard would it be to make a boot usb...?
[20:01] <gerzel> Tyr2007: Might go with one of the netbook-customized versions of ubuntu but I have it on mine with no problem  eeepc 701
[20:02] <Tyr2007> I want to try my hand at android dev...
[20:02] <Tyr2007> thinking of using my netbook
[20:02] <gerzel> Tyr2007: Didn't have any problems and I have an OLD netbook.  the 701 is first generation netbook pre-atom.
[20:02] <Cottus> !rm <did anyone do
[20:02] <Mandy849> on a unrelated matter, I have a programming problem with ns3. I know it's not ubuntu related but it's hard to come by ns3 developers so if by any chance one of you has some c++ knowledge and is willing to help can (s)he send me a private message ? Thanks. Sorry for the off topic.
[20:02] <Cottus> !rm
[20:03] <IdleOne> !msgthebot > Cottus
[20:03] <genii-around> Cottus: Luckily no one ran that command this time. But we have had it happen before from new users who just like to try out commands they see people write in the open channel.
[20:03] <Cottus> did anyone do !rm ?
[20:03] <jane_wayne78> is there a way to specify which DHCP server to use?
[20:04] <Cottus> i mean it's ok to ban me but also show them
[20:04] <LjL> Cottus: !danger has been called, that's the appropriate factoid to call
[20:05] <Cottus> ok i guess it's up to me
[20:05] <IdleOne> What is up to you?
[20:05] <Cottus> to send rm -rf / and then !rm
[20:05] <mneptok> Cottus: please drop it. further discussion now makes a ban more likely.
[20:05] <Cottus> no , offtopic
[20:05] <mneptok> Cottus: and you just typed it *again*
[20:06] <P-Chan> IdleOne: finish him
[20:06] <IdleOne> Cottus: i'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish but I can tell you that if you don't stop it will end with you being banned.
[20:06] <LjL> Cottus: utter that command again and you will have a long ban. now back to support
[20:06] <IdleOne> Cottus: This is not a debate. You will NOT post that command in any Ubuntu channels again. Thank you.
[20:07] <Cottus> hmm
[20:07] <daverw> I've just borked my ubuntu server and need help. I set it up with encrypted lvm, and added a new disk. I had no problems adding it, but on rebooting I am not prompted for the encryption password for the new disk and it (quite reasonably) refuses to activate a partial volume group. I then drop to a busybox shell. How do it get it to ask for the password for the second disk?
[20:09] <oozbooz> I've installed repo pubkey (ran apt-get update) but still getting "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" Any idea where to look .. thanks
[20:09] <Cottus> you can add a factoid on the 'command'
[20:09] <P-Chan> I taught my great grandmother to use slackwate B) but i prefer ubuntu
[20:12] <Cottus> P-Chan, did you find out what to do about resolution?
[20:12] <P-Chan> Cottus: yes but I need run the command after logon
[20:12] <P-Chan> sux. I want distro more easies than ubuntu
[20:13] <P-Chan> because the paid solution is more easy
[20:14]  * Cottus reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:14] <dstorrs> hey folks.  I need to specify which username to run the mongodb process as when 'service mongodb start' happens (and at boot).  I think this is handled by the upstart job, but I can't find where exactly to set it.  Can someone point me to a good FM?
[20:15] <rachelfish> fm?
[20:15] <dstorrs> Fine Manual
[20:16] <rachelfish> can't help with a manual, but check /etc/init.d for the mongo service
[20:18] <genii-around> Or perhaps just in /etc/init if it's an upstart job
[20:20] <dstorrs> ok, thanks
[20:20] <davv3_> hey. how do i get access to ubuntu unstable repository? or simillar to sid where i can find the latest libs
[20:21] <rachelfish> i believe its commented out in sources.list
[20:21] <rachelfish> in /etc/apt
[20:21] <LjL> davv3_: i guess the closest thing is "proposed", but it's not quite safe to use
[20:22] <mneptok> davv3_: if you mean the development version, discussion happens in #ubuntu+1
[20:23] <derbie> Hello. What program do you recommend for stress testing the CPU and GPU ?
[20:23] <derbie> seperate program for each task
[20:24] <LjL> derbie: for the CPU, there's the package "cpuburn". its description warns that it might damage CPUs, though
[20:24] <derbie> uhm
[20:24] <derbie> no thanks :D
[20:24] <davv3_> mneptok: no i believe LjL hit it on the head
[20:24] <derbie> prime95 for windows was nice, i've read that it is for ubuntu as well
[20:25] <rachelfish> stress testing is always dangerous derbie
[20:27] <Cottus> P-Chan, i don't think modeline are supported but they were the sollution
[20:28] <P-Chan> Cottus: this works if i paste in terminal
[20:29] <Cottus> yeah , modeline were added in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:29] <derbie> rachelfish: because of high temperature?
[20:29] <P-Chan> Cottus: xorg.conf is deade
[20:29] <P-Chan> dead
[20:29] <Cottus> :D
[20:29] <rachelfish> yep
[20:30] <agike> Hi, I have just deleted /boot on natty. Any advice on how to restore it .. ?
[20:31] <BlueWolf> Hi, can someone tell me how I can set my computer to Hibernate like it shuts down with this ( sudo shutdown -h 04:30 )?
[20:32] <Cottus> agike, reinstall grub
[20:32] <tootie> hi, how do I permanently enable sshd on 12.04 desktop install?
[20:32] <isitme> Cottus: won't work
[20:32] <live_> hello. I am using a live disc on a windows comp.  wondering if it is at all possible for ubuntu to see my 1st gen 512mb ipod??  It is charging through usb but the sys doesnt recognize it.
[20:33] <live_> I have gtkpod manager but it doesnt see it
[20:33] <Cottus> then , grub-setup /dev/sda
[20:33] <mu3en> is it possible to force install of grub pc instead of grub efi with ubuntu sever 1204?
[20:33] <gartral> live_: rhythembox should be able too see it
[20:34] <live_> gartral  ill try it thanks
[20:34] <Cottus> no grub-setup does not work
[20:34] <trism> tootie: just installing openssh-server should result in a system that always starts sshd on boot
[20:34] <live_> gartral but how will it see it if the OS live cd doesnt
[20:35] <gartral> live_: because iPods are MTP devices, and MTP can't be mounted as a drive, like a flash drive
[20:36] <tootie> trism, ty. ubuntu is so broekn, how can you distro linux without sshd installed???
[20:36] <live_> gartral rhythumbox doesnt see it either
[20:36] <gartral> live_: hang on a sec
[20:37] <gartral> live_: Edit>Plugins and make sure portable players - iPods is checked
[20:38] <live_> gartral yeah it is..   ??
[20:38] <D-Chymera> hi guys - do you know of any good app or program for gnome which helps me see how my stocks are evolving? I'm looking for some sort of program that will display all my stocks in real time - I could do this with my web browser and multiple tabs, but I'd rather have all the time courses next to one another... any ideas? :-s
[20:41] <agike> Cottus: 'grub-install /dev/sda' seems to have done it. I will have to try a reboot ..
[20:41] <Cottus> not yet
[20:41] <Cottus> need to install kernel again
[20:42] <agike>  Cottus: from where .. ?
[20:42] <gmcinnes> Hi all. How can I find out what caused an Ubuntu server to unexpectedly reboot?
[20:43] <Cottus> i 'm curious at why grub-install succeded, from synaptic..
[20:43] <Cottus> wow
[20:43] <jaha> Just got disconnected via ssh form a 12.04 upgrade, any idea how to get that session back?
[20:44] <Cottus> :D
[20:44] <Cottus> agike, can you send a uname -r ?
[20:45] <studio> is there an option where unity can autohide when iam browsing?
[20:46] <studio> nevermind i found it lol
[20:46] <studio> :D
[20:46] <Cottus> gmcinnes, check /var/log/syslog , find the last 0.0000 entry
[20:46] <derbie> is there utorrent client for ubuntu?
[20:47] <derbie> on utorrent website i can only find utorrent server for linux (??????)
[20:47] <xangua> derbie: yes, that is
[20:47] <derbie> Oh
[20:47] <Cottus> jaha, this is not the answer but next time you can use "screen" as a terminal session, it has restore property ;)
[20:47] <derbie> why is it named server then
[20:47] <Tm_T> jaha: I believe do-release-upgrade do create screen session for itself, so "sudo screen -rd" perhaps
[20:48] <jaha> Tm_T: just figured it out, i wasnt running screen as sudo
[20:48] <Tm_T> righto
[20:48] <gmcinnes> Cottus: I see it. I see when it went down, and I see a bunch of things seeming to stop normally ( i.e. a bunch of tty killed by TERM signal).   Before that there's just some output from postfix. Nothing interesting.
[20:48] <gmcinnes> Cottus: https://gist.github.com/3062649
[20:49] <Daulity> thanks all! i learned how to start a task with screen and run the task in the background! :)
[20:49] <Cottus> :D
[20:49] <nitro282> buui----
[20:50] <agike> Cottus: not from synaptic -- in LXTerminal. On a debian/ubuntu dual-boot, update-grub only recognises the debian kernel at the moment ..
[20:50] <BlueWolf> Hi, can someone tell me how I can set my computer to Hibernate like it shuts down with this ( sudo shutdown -h 04:30 )?
[20:51] <ccherrett> I am installing ubuntu for the first time (coming from gentoo). The CD boots up and my keyboard and mouse are no longer working. I have tried 3 different usb combos of mice and keyboard
[20:51] <Cottus> agike, /boot/ needs to be filled with linux-image System-map and initrd  i think
[20:51] <ccherrett> the keyboard works with the option to install or try ubuntu shows on the screen
[20:51] <Cottus> no , i 'm sure
[20:51] <ccherrett> at which point both mouse and keyboard are gone
[20:52] <ccherrett> any hints?
[20:53] <Cottus> there might be ( alternative.iso ) curses install
[20:53] <agike> ccherrett, Cottus: reinstall iso from WattOS CD ?
[20:53] <BlueWolf> Help?
[20:55] <agike> my /boot has abi-2.6.38-10-generic     initrd.img-2.6.38-10-generic  System.map-2.6.38-10-generic
[20:55] <ccherrett> so if you cannot get your keyboard and mouse detected you do not install ubuntu?
[20:55] <agike> config-2.6.38-10-generic  memtest86+.bin                vmcoreinfo-2.6.38-10-generic
[20:56] <agike> grub                      memtest86+_multiboot.bin      vmlinuz-2.6.38-10-generic
[20:56] <agike> can I reboot ?
[20:56] <Cottus> grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:56] <Cottus> grub-install /dev/sda (might be unnecessary)
[20:56] <agike> Cottus: to me ?
[20:56] <Cottus> yep
[20:57] <agike> thanks
[20:57] <Cottus> np
[20:58] <BlueWolf> Hi, can someone tell me how I can set my computer to Hibernate like it shuts down with this ( sudo shutdown -h 04:30 )?
[20:59] <gpetrakis> Am I going to have any problem with my /home partition if I install a 64-bit OS in place of the previous 32-bit one?
[20:59] <Cottus> BlueWolf, pm-hibernate
[20:59] <Cottus> BlueWolf, also see pm-<tab><tab>
[21:00] <BlueWolf>
[21:00] <mneptok> gpetrakis: you should not, no. only if you installed binaries there by hand.
[21:00] <BlueWolf> Cottus: Wo, how do I set it to Hibernate at a certain time?
[21:00] <agike> Cottus: I already have menuentry "Debian Linux" {
[21:00] <agike> set root=(hd0,1)
[21:00] <agike> linux /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb3
[21:00] <agike> initrd /initrd.img
[21:00] <agike> }
[21:00] <FloodBot1> agike: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:00] <mneptok> BlueWolf: use cron
[21:01] <Cottus> agike, sorry, i though it was grub2
[21:01] <Cottus> agike, you might have to reinstall though
[21:01] <agike> Cottus: don't know if I want to cange it. grub-mkconfig makes a symlink .. ?
[21:02] <gpetrakis> mneptok: Ok, then. So my Home folder will be visible automatically, yes?
[21:02] <BlueWolf>
[21:02] <BlueWolf> mneptok: Dude I am not with you? Whats cron? Is it not a simple code like shutting down is?
[21:02] <mneptok> gpetrakis: if you tell the installer to preserve the existing /home yes
[21:02] <Cottus> agike, nevermind, i was talking about grub2
[21:02] <mneptok> !cron > BlueWolf
[21:02] <gpetrakis> mneptok: Thank you
[21:03] <Cottus> geia
[21:03] <agike> .. it is grub2 .. or 1.99
[21:03] <Cottus> ok,
[21:03] <BlueWolf> mneptok: Thanks, but I am not to good with linux :D
[21:04] <agike> I'm getting "bash: /boot/grub/grub.cfg: Permission denied
[21:04] <agike> "
[21:04] <Cottus> i trust grub-mkconfig , it searches for images and initrd in /boot/ and automatically adds an entry for them
[21:04] <ccherrett> so 12.04 does not detect any of my mice or keyboards, so is that the end of the road?
[21:04] <Cottus> maybe you're not root
[21:04] <agike> I used sudo
[21:04] <mneptok> ccherrett: tried the -alternate image?
[21:05] <Cottus> sudo -c 'grub-...'
[21:05] <tresk> Hi, I have a notebook with external soundcard (USB). When my system wakes up from suspend mode volume is switched to 100% ... Any idea?
[21:05] <ccherrett> mneptok: no just put the CD in the drive and booted
[21:05] <Cottus> (it's the > )
[21:05] <ccherrett> mneptok: I did not see any boot options
[21:05] <mneptok> ccherrett: perhaps the text mode installer will do better than the graphical?
[21:05] <tresk> and it switches to the internal notebook soundcard sometomes, too.
[21:05] <ccherrett> mneptok: just a ubuntu splash screen
[21:05] <mneptok> ccherrett: different ISO image
[21:05] <ccherrett> mneptok: how do I invoke it?
[21:05] <ejb1123> can someone activate my acount?
[21:06] <ccherrett> mneptok: ok so abandone the official release?
[21:06] <mneptok> ccherrett: no ... go download the CD ISO image marked -alternate on any of the official Ubuntu download servers
[21:08] <ccherrett> mneptok: thanks downloading
[21:08] <shadowmaxss> Anyone got any CHEAP ideas for Terminal Services - We have a Win2003 Server running Quickbooks and want to use Ubuntu Clients to Access instances of Quickbooks and other Win Software
[21:08] <Cottus> gmcinnes, you can also check the laste lines of /var/log/Xorg.1.log , i think it "1"
[21:08] <ccherrett> mneptok: I have been on gentoo for many years, the graphical install is very strange to me
[21:08] <agike> Cottus: this time I'm getting 5 lines of 'sudo' usage advice ..
[21:08] <mneptok> ccherrett: so ... don't use it ;)
[21:08] <ccherrett> and feels like being locked in a cage when it goes wrong and you cannot see what is going on
[21:08] <Nirol> I appreciate and value the human condition
[21:08] <Nirol> Though this value often is destroyed by humanities actions. A destructive force to the idealistic love affair hardening those hearts that chase freedom, in and all its virtues. Suited men in politics work us to unite to divide by dividing to unite in an everlasting battle struggling to embrace each other for such deserved value. Tapping what sparse little love often spared to sooth as ointment
[21:08] <Nirol> over self inflicted wounds dejectedly an appathetic public laying tired heads on hopes and dreams of those choosing to grapple free from the shackles of their minds, in an untruthful deceptive spoiled world. Unchanging in its beauty and truth. The lives of men playing out on a stage of immense proportion, overshaddowed protests of concieted guile echoing out toward the blackness of silent
[21:08] <Nirol> muffled heartless crowd gazing behind the cover of lights. Cries the protagonist.
[21:08] <FloodBot1> Nirol: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:08] <Nirol>  "command thy noble actors and this stout stocky steed to shout profanities dare applause you disaffected lot". The crowd cheers and sings his praises "this world thy troubled home has no need of the ill of these afflicted people cry words of sorrow and discontent not joy or happy retorts. I swear by the power of this hand i shall do greater ill and kick such subjects to the dust".
[21:09] <agike> Nirol: go away !
[21:09] <ejb1123> can someone activate my acount?
[21:09] <ccherrett> mneptok: how do I run the text based install?
[21:09] <mneptok> ejb1123: what account? where? for what?
[21:09] <Cottus> agike, maybe its -e
[21:09] <mneptok> ccherrett: boot the -alternate image
[21:09] <Nirol> agike what up with u
[21:09] <ccherrett> ah ok
[21:09] <ccherrett> mneptok: I am on it thanks
[21:09] <kyle__> ccherrett: When you boot the installer, there are choices at the bottom, f1 f2 f3, etc.  I beleive if you hit f4 you can choose command line install
[21:10] <ccherrett> kyle__: thanks
[21:10] <kyle__> ccherrett: It's one of the other f-keys, if it's not 4.
[21:10] <Nirol> agike is a dike
[21:10] <ejb1123><EMAIL_ADDRESS>i want to figgure out how web servers work
[21:10] <kyle__> !troll Nirol
[21:10] <ejb1123> mneptok<EMAIL_ADDRESS>i want to figgure out how web servers work
[21:10] <kyle__> !Nirol troll
[21:11] <kyle__> Dmanit ubottu, do what I mean!  Stupid lack of fuzzy-logic natural language processing.
[21:11] <mneptok> ejb1123: this channel has nothing to do with live.com
[21:11] <shadowmaxss> Anyone got any CHEAP ideas for Terminal Services - We have a Win2003 Server running Quickbooks and want to use Ubuntu Clients to Access instances of Quickbooks and other Win Software
[21:12] <agike> Cottus: it now goes into the 'joe' editor. Is that OK ? I'm getting washed-out text on the screen so can't see the details ..
[21:12] <kyle__> shadowmaxss: There is a an RDP client for linux, ubuntu's package of it works well, so yes, you can connect to Windos's RDP sessions.  If that's what you mean.
[21:13] <Cottus> agike,
[21:13] <shadowmaxss> I'm trying to avoid client licenses in Terminal Services
[21:13] <Cottus> sorry, try sudo -i, then run the command
[21:13] <kyle__> shadowmaxss: CALs determine how-many sessions can connect at once, not the client-software.
[21:14] <agike> simulating initial login ..
[21:14] <kyle__> shadowmaxss: if you're using windows, you're stuck either buying the CALs, or violating your licensing.
[21:15] <shadowmaxss> So there aren't any Open Source Alternatives for a Citrix-Like Service?
[21:15] <brvitorio> olá pessoal
[21:15] <BlueWolf> I have a 2GB usb flash stick that is not reading in my Ubuntu and not working in my car to play music. Could it be something to do with the Ubuntu?
[21:15] <brvitorio> que saber algum jogo para ubuntu
[21:16] <brvitorio> ops eu quero saber se tem algum jogo daora para ubuntu?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> shadowmaxss: you can connect to terminal services with rdesktop
[21:16] <kyle__> shadowmaxss: Yes, the software you're speaking of has to run on windows, and only works for multiple clients trhough RDP or citrix.  There's nothing ubuntu, redhat, or any other linux can do to get around that.  That's windows software.
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> !ltsp | shadowmaxss
[21:17] <x1k> does anyone have any issues that have not been addressed yet?
[21:17] <brvitorio> só tem norte-americano aqui é? não tem nenhum brasileiro?
[21:17] <ActionParsnip> shadowmaxss: or just run openssh-server and X forward over SSH, it will be citrix-esque
[21:17] <guampa> !pt | brvitorio
[21:17] <brvitorio> valeu
[21:17] <kyle__> x1k: I get occasional lockups on 12.04 with my intel-graphics i5 laptop, but I haven't brought it up for awhile.  Why?
[21:18] <jump> go vw 5x5 na eac
[21:18] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, what filesystem is on that stick ? fat32 should be standard readable in devices & ubuntu
[21:18] <shadowmaxss> Cool Cool --- Good Ideas.
[21:19] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: Not sure, it's not showing much in disk Utility?
[21:19] <spitzi> Hi guys. I'm trying to set up an NFS mount with permissions 0777 to a Windows folder, but the permissions stay 0700 no matter what I try. Is it doable ?
[21:20] <mneptok> shadowmaxss: you could just leave QuickBooks behind and use GNUcash. then your licensing issues are over.
[21:20] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, maybe. in gparted for sure.
[21:20] <shadowmaxss> I can't leave Quickbooks behind.  I have other software that depends on it that is also Windows Based (ERP).
[21:20] <Cyrax> operator
[21:20] <Cyrax> +O
[21:20] <Cyrax> please
[21:21] <mneptok> Cyrax: yes?
[21:21] <Cyrax> +O
[21:21] <Cottus> spitzi, windows might not support group and other permission
[21:21] <Cyrax> operator
[21:21] <mneptok> Cyrax: what are you asking?
[21:21] <shadowmaxss> I'm trying to get around doing 20 workstation updates when Quickbooks releases new software, all with varying flavours of Windows.
[21:21] <Cyrax> operator
[21:21] <Cyrax> +o
[21:21] <spitzi> Cottus - so Ubuntu depends on the Windows filesystem even for NFS mounts ?
[21:21] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: What do I do because it will not format it eather?
[21:21] <Cottus> i don't know
[21:22] <spitzi> Ok, thanks.
[21:22] <spitzi> Bye.
[21:22] <kyle__> shadowmaxss: I know novell has a system that can push out packages to windows boxes, but I've never used it.
[21:22] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, it should be formattable.
[21:23] <shadowmaxss> Novell, I thought they were dead after WinNT.  Wow, haven't heard that name in a while.
[21:23] <gmcinnes> Cottus: X isn't installed on the machine.  Would you say that because things are being logged as being ended by TERM signal it's definately not a kernel panic?
[21:23] <Cottus> i think he was dialing 0
[21:23] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: Well it does not want to?
[21:23] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, buy a new one.
[21:23] <Cottus> gmcinnes, i don't know
[21:24] <Cottus> gmcinnes, might as well ask in ##linux
[21:24] <Cottus> those guys know
[21:24] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: True, but I don't like waisting resources when it still works?
[21:27] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, from my point of view it doesn't work as you want it to.
[21:27] <zLouD> &wc
[21:28] <mauricio> hello, a quick question, what is the command that is executed by pressing Alt + Prnt Scrn + B? i mean abrupt reset?
[21:28] <benxzyzzy> I just reopened my laptop lid and I'm not getting the screen unlock popup. I need to force a restart of the windowing system I think. How would I do this?
[21:29] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: Is there any other thing I can do? I don't want to throw it away if it works. Only when I am absolutely sure that it's messed then I will get a new one?
[21:29] <trism> mauricio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key "Immediately reboot the system, without unmounting or syncing filesystem"
[21:29] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, try to format it on an other machine in fat32?
[21:29] <benxzyzzy> trism: was that aimed at me?
[21:30] <benxzyzzy> (never mind)
[21:30] <mrrothhcloud__> hi what are some good RSS feeds for my news reader (google reader) to read on my iPad while I am out
[21:30] <mrrothhcloud__> some good linux or geek / tech
[21:30] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: Done that and the other machine with Ubuntu on it is also not picking it up
[21:30] <mauricio> trism, thanks :)
[21:30] <OerHeks> what is an ipad, mrrothhcloud__ ? does it run ubuntu ?
[21:30] <xangua> !ot | mrrothhcloud__
[21:31] <mrrothhcloud__> it runs ubuntu via VNC client
[21:31] <sglepage> Hello
[21:31] <kyle__> OerHeks: I'm sure someone has gotten NetBSD on an ipad, if not ubuntu.
[21:31] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, my guess it is Vfat or something.
[21:32] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: Suggestions because If I play around with it by pluging and unpluging it eventually mounts on the desktop?
[21:33] <trism> benxzyzzy: wasn't, but you can use alt+sysrq+k to kill all apps on the current console (which will restart x but you may lose any unsaved data), there is also the reisub sysrq combo that allows you to safely reboot the system in certain circumstances
[21:33] <sglepage> Anybody know how handle a .apple file?
[21:33] <trism> !reisub | benxzyzzy
[21:33] <agike> Cottus: I hate to be boring, but now I get sudo -i "grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[21:33] <benxzyzzy> thanks
[21:33] <agike> -bash: grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg: No such file or directory
[21:34] <agike> .. but it is there ..
[21:34] <OerHeks> mrrothhcloud__, any browser has a buildin rss reader, standalone there is Liferea, Tickr rssowl
[21:34] <Cottus> i meant sudo -i , enter the code, then you become root, now try that command
[21:34] <guntbert> agike: omit the -i
[21:35] <guntbert> agike: ignore me
[21:35] <benxzyzzy> In the end I restarted X windows with alt+prtscr+k, and logged back in
[21:35] <benxzyzzy> thanks again though :)
[21:35] <benxzyzzy> exit
[21:35] <benxzyzzy> oops
[21:36] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, on what machine does that usb stick actually work?
[21:36] <BlueWolf> This machine I am using now but it's not reading at the moment
[21:37] <Cottus> agike, there is a command sudo -? "mpla mpla mpla", but one can see it with "sudo --help" , i don't have sudo installed
[21:37] <BlueWolf> Even If I play around with it
[21:37] <agike> sudo "grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[21:37] <agike> sudo: grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg: command not found
[21:37] <agike> .. but  ..
[21:38] <agike> 'info grub-mkconfig' tells me
[21:38] <agike> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:38] <_raven> xubuntu 12.04 - how to install also "non-vital" packages automatically without the need of clicking "install all" every day?
[21:40] <mrrothhcloud__> no I know of client, I am saying of acutely content OerHeks
[21:40] <agike> .. which generated a grub.cfg which included the debian, but not the ubuntu drive.
[21:42] <OerHeks> mrrothhcloud__, i do not use rss, so i don't know any 'content'. i wonder if canonical uses rss ..
[21:42] <mrrothhcloud__> I have think geek RSS
[21:42] <mrrothhcloud__> I have think geek, gizmodo, apple insider, tech net, and so on but nothing with linux
[21:43] <cornfeed> hello
[21:43] <Cottus> agike, i believe it should have made an entry, unless you're mistaking the partitions
[21:44] <x64> my net dongle is not supporting ubuntu
[21:44] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: So any Ideas?
[21:44] <Cottus> wait, the entry does not contain -2.6.38-10-generic?
[21:44] <cornfeed> i am trying to compile a driver into my kernel and was having probels....the instructions say to use make and make install, but do i also need to use make modules? or maybe remake the initramfs?
[21:44] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, nope.
[21:44] <agike> Cottus: yes it does
[21:45] <agike> contain it
[21:45] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: Gee thanks hey, :D
[21:45] <OerHeks> BlueWolf, yw
[21:45] <alexm> hey, can someone help me with this: myersg2
[21:46] <Cottus> agike, did you mix up the partitions? is /boot/ empty ?
[21:46] <BlueWolf> OerHeks: ;-)
[21:46] <alexm> https://gist.github.com/1318300
[21:46] <alexm> im runny fedora on my desktop/server
[21:46] <_raven> xubuntu 12.04 - how to install also "non-vital" packages automatically without the need of clicking "install all" every day?
[21:46] <OerHeks> alexm, this is ubuntu support.
[21:47] <alexm> I know.. but no one can help me there..and I use ubuntu
[21:47] <alexm> Ok, just for the help...Im running it on a ubuntu server
[21:48] <alexm> Yes im running subsonic on ubuntu, and I need help with this: https://gist.github.com/1318300
[21:49] <agike>  Cottus: apologies in advance for minor flooding of this channel, but
[21:49] <agike> abi-2.6.38-10-generic     initrd.img-2.6.38-10-generic  System.map-2.6.38-10-generic
[21:49] <agike> config-2.6.38-10-generic  memtest86+.bin                vmcoreinfo-2.6.38-10-generic
[21:49] <agike> grub                      memtest86+_multiboot.bin      vmlinuz-2.6.38-10-generic
[21:49] <FloodBot1> agike: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:49] <agike> is the contewnts of /boot
[21:49] <Cottus> then i don't know
[21:50] <zeroziat> Hello, I am getting this error, trying to desperately get my machine back in shape: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support for libnih-dbus1, probably a dependency cycle.
[21:50] <zeroziat> Err, I've no idea if I just lost connectio, let me repost my question
[21:50] <zeroziat> Hello, I am getting this error, trying to desperately get my machine back in shape: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support for libnih-dbus1, probably a dependency cycle.
[21:50] <alexm> how do I login to irc with a redister username and password?
[21:50] <zeroziat> This I get when I do the command
[21:50] <guntbert> !register | alexm
[21:50] <zeroziat> sudo chroot "/media/1f0fb2d7-fb74-4669-b317-7759bb8cc1fe" apt-get install -y --force-yes grub-pc
[21:50] <mneptok> alexm: the instructions are for disabling the donationware aspect of the mobile client.
[21:51] <agike> Cottus: Thanks - I might try a debian live CD ..
[21:51] <zeroziat> Are my messages going through? Kinda laggy and all...
[21:51] <Cottus> ok
[21:52] <alexm> are there any good alternitives to subsonic?
[21:53] <ccherrett> mneptok: alternative iso fails as well
[21:54] <OerHeks> alexm, subsonic could work > http://www.subsonic.org/pages/installation.jsp#debian
[21:55] <zeroziat> Hello, I am getting this error, trying to desperately get my machine back in shape: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support for libnih-dbus1, probably a dependency cycle.
[21:55] <alexm> It wouldn't work for me on ubuntu...
[21:55] <zeroziat> Installing GRUB, which isn't working as much since my Windows installation won't boot
[21:55] <OerHeks> alexm, you probably use OpenJDK now, and you need the jre
[21:56] <alexm> It was just the file was bad
[21:56] <alexm> but it works on fedora.. I just need help with a patch
[21:56] <jpdumont> join #xcsoar
[21:56] <ccherrett> mneptok: I develop openoctave and wanted to support ubuntu users better. They are always having issues with the way ubuntu sets up jack audio
[21:56] <OerHeks> alexm, can't help you with bad file. download it again?
[21:57] <ccherrett> mneptok: but if ubuntu cannot detect a simple keyboard and mouse and I have to spend a whole day trying to get an install to run, then I have to give up and let the ubuntu users do their own thing
[21:57] <ccherrett> mneptok: thanks for the help
[21:58]  * ccherrett goes back to gentoo
[21:59] <mneptok> ccherrett: the sheer numbers of Ubuntu users seems to indicate yours is a corner case.
[22:00] <ccherrett> mneptok: I see this issue with 12.04 all over google
[22:00] <Cottus> ccherrett, you can try debian
[22:00] <ccherrett> mneptok: happening with upgrades and new installs
[22:00] <zeroziat> Test
[22:01] <ccherrett> Cottus: no I wanted to help out ubuntu users
[22:01] <ccherrett> Cottus: specifically ubuntu
[22:01] <mneptok> ccherrett: then check Launchpad for know bugs.
[22:01] <Cottus> hmm
[22:01] <ccherrett> so I thought I would install one production machine with ubuntu
[22:01] <cornfeed> ccherrett: i have had less problems with gentoo that with all other distros
[22:01] <cornfeed> than*
[22:01] <ccherrett> Cottus: I usually build a custom gentoo install
[22:01] <Cottus> THE KING
[22:02] <mneptok> ccherrett: you could always see what happens in a Virtualbox Ubuntu VM under Gentoo
[22:02] <Cottus> :D
[22:02] <ccherrett> cornfeed: gentoo has issues, but I can debug it easy enough
[22:02] <wo33lock> ok
[22:02] <Cottus> heh
[22:02] <ccherrett> mneptok: it installs in a vm fine for me
[22:02] <ccherrett> mneptok: I have a running vm here right now
[22:02] <ccherrett> no issues
[22:03] <cornfeed> ccherrett: all distros have troubles, but like you said, gentoo is easy to get to the root of the issue
[22:03] <cornfeed> and by nature you are more in-tune with your system because you had to custom make it
[22:03] <mneptok> ccherrett: then please do check Launchpad. and the VM should be able to offer all you need for a dev/build environment
[22:03] <ccherrett> cornfeed: I feel like I am falling behind on the times with genoo, I do not know the ubuntu language
[22:03] <cornfeed> same
[22:03] <ccherrett> cornfeed: I am a dino :)
[22:04] <mneptok> this is a support channel. let's keep it to questions and answers.
[22:04] <cornfeed> thats why i am in this room and install ubuntu right now :-P
[22:04] <ccherrett> cornfeed: haha
[22:04] <cornfeed> mneptok: sorry, just a wee bit of fun
[22:04] <mneptok> (kids these days)
[22:04] <ccherrett> pesky gentoo children
[22:05] <zeroziat> Hello? Boot-Repair-Disc uninstalled my GRUB but I can't reinstall it and I can't reboot and my Windows XP installation is broken...
[22:06] <zeroziat> When I try to reinstall GRUB
[22:06] <zeroziat> This pops up
[22:06] <zeroziat> E: Couldn't configure pre-depend multiarch-support for libnih-dbus1, probably a dependency cycle.
[22:06] <cornfeed> okay so i am installing 10.4 server (no i cant use 12 in this situation) and after running apt-get upgrade i get a message saying it has held back from installing linux-headers-server, linux-image-server and linux-server. i think those are the new kernels, right? so how come it didnt want to install them??
[22:06] <zeroziat> Hello?
[22:07] <cornfeed> zeroziat: how are you trying to re-install grub?
[22:08] <mneptok> cornfeed: "upgrade" will only upgrade the uname in place. what you want is dist-upgrade.
[22:08] <zeroziat> cornfeed: I'm on Boot-repair-disc LiveCD right now, and since my windows XP bootup didn't work at all I tried to tell it to purge and reinstall GRUB
[22:08] <wylde> cornfeed: mneptok beat me to it.
[22:08] <zeroziat> It could purge it, but when I try to install it that pops up
[22:08] <cornfeed> zeroziat: you have to do a repair install using a windows cd to repair the windows boot
[22:09] <cornfeed> zeroziat: then use a linux disk to re-install the mutilboot
[22:09] <zeroziat> cornfeed: It won't detect the windows installation
[22:09] <cornfeed> what wont? a windows cd or the live cd you are using now?
[22:09] <zeroziat> Windows CD
[22:09] <zeroziat> Skips straight to installation
[22:09] <cornfeed> :-/
[22:09] <cornfeed> thats a tough one
[22:09] <zeroziat> I tried going to the recovery console and using 'bootcfg' and 'chkdsk' and all
[22:09] <zeroziat> I knoww
[22:10] <zeroziat> I've been aching over this for... 4 days now
[22:10] <cornfeed> -_-
[22:10] <cornfeed> no good
[22:10] <zeroziat> And now I can't get GRUB back on so I keep making it worse
[22:10] <mneptok> zeroziat: you might want to ask in ##windows
[22:11] <cornfeed> and #grub
[22:11] <wylde> zeroziat: do you have all your important data backed up? Personally I'd start there before further mucking about. :)
[22:11] <tgm4883> How can I revert a commit in BZR that I have already pushed to a shared branch?
[22:11] <altruism> if one use NFS, what is "normal" write performance on a SATA drive?
[22:12] <mneptok> tgm4883: bzr revert
[22:12] <zeroziat> wylde: I have a partition with my important data backed up, yes
[22:12] <cornfeed> mneptok: i believe dist-upgrade will bring me to 12 though, no?
[22:12] <mneptok> cornfeed: no.
[22:12] <tgm4883> mneptok, right, but that just reverts the revision locally. How do I push that to the shared branch then?
[22:13] <cornfeed> ok
[22:13] <zeroziat> mneptok: I would but I need to get GRUB back too so I've no idea pretty much
[22:13] <altruism> (giga ethernet, cat-5e cable)
[22:13] <SadlyMistaken> hello everybody, I have a hp psc 1210 scanner/printer. Sometimes i scan with moiré and sometimes not, I would love to know 'why' please
[22:13] <mneptok> tgm4883: a revert should make your working tree contain the reverted change. so puch the working tree.
[22:13] <wylde> zeroziat: nice to finally hear that someone has a backup before mucking with system critical type stuffs :) +1 to you
[22:13] <mneptok> *push
[22:13] <cornfeed> altruism: depends on many factors
[22:13] <PuffTMD> Hey all
[22:13] <mneptok> tgm4883: but i am not bzr expert. there is #bzr for those people.
[22:13] <zeroziat> wylde: Yeah, this all started because of some virus I had in Windows...
[22:14] <cornfeed> altruism: 10-30mBps
[22:14] <PuffTMD> wondering if anyone can help with an issue I'm having with boot loader
[22:14] <altruism> cornfeed: is it possible 2 get as fast as it read?
[22:14] <zeroziat> wlyde: I'm just done breaking my Ubuntu so... yeah, I guess backups are a first in my case
[22:14] <tgm4883> mneptok, actually, bzr revert just reverts any uncommited changes you've made. bzr uncommit removes the last commit, but then your technically 1 revision behind the shared tree
[22:14] <cornfeed> altruism: i think you can push it with a raid0 but not completely
[22:14] <tgm4883> I'll ask in #bzr, thanks
[22:15] <altruism> cornfeed: I have 80-85 MB/s on read
[22:15] <wylde> zeroziat: sorry to hear that. Sadly, I have nothing to offer other than the suggestions made already. By the sound of matters though, I'd be preparing for the worst.  Sometimes i scan with moiré and sometimes not, I would love to know 'why' please
[22:15] <wylde> ok of windows... then repair grub.
[22:15] <cornfeed> cifs*
[22:15] <zeroziat> It may just be my thing...
[22:15] <PuffTMD> I've installed ubuntu via a bootable USB & advised it not working.
[22:16] <altruism> cornfeed: NFS on my home network
[22:16] <altruism> cornfeed: no Microsoft in my home :)
[22:16] <cogster> I see hex boxes :@
[22:16] <zeroziat> Repairing is too hard
[22:16] <PuffTMD> found article on ask ubuntu on possible repair which I've done but it advises created boot section at start of disk then re-running boot-repair
[22:16] <altruism> cornfeed: and as you said, NFS is faste
[22:16] <cogster> WHY!?
[22:16] <cornfeed> altruism: lucky you
[22:16] <zeroziat> I'll just go break everything again and redo it
[22:17] <altruism> cornfeed: fasteR
[22:17] <cornfeed> zeroziat: thats the spirit!
[22:18] <altruism> cornfeed: for the moment, when I write to the disk, I get 50% of the read speed
[22:18] <cornfeed> unfortunately i dont know enough about nfs, but in general, the things that speed up writes are raids, and the filesystem you choose
[22:19] <altruism> cornfeed: maybe I should not expect more than that, I do not know
[22:19] <cornfeed> i was going to to say that :-P
[22:19] <cogster> Less mystically, how do I get my XChat client to use characters for the unicode I don't see as a character? :>
[22:19] <cornfeed> altruism: you can get faster writes, but you would certainly be pushing it. especially since you are not dealing with the quarks of windows
[22:20] <altruism> cornfeed: how is ext4?
[22:20] <zeroziat> If I run apt-get install grub-pc within a liveCD will the changes save to my hard disk or to the liveCD session?
[22:20] <cornfeed> altruism: good quesiton, i read about errors way back and havent played with it
[22:21] <zeroziat> Ah, gotta chroot
[22:21] <cornfeed> i use jfs at home and it is pretty fast. i can push 100MBs through a gigabit switch from a windows workstation to my raid 5 with a few tweaks to windows
[22:21] <altruism> cornfeed: I see
[22:21] <cornfeed> 100MBp/s
[22:22] <altruism> cornfeed: with RAID it is no match :-)
[22:22] <cornfeed> but i choose jfs because i store large files....if you arent as much of a pirate, xfs might be worth looking at too. but from what I have read, etx3 is truely the all-around best performer
[22:23] <altruism> cornfeed: I have never felt brave enough to try anything else than EXT
[22:24] <altruism> cornfeed: if I use jfs instead of ext4, would I notice it? (I do have a lot of large files)
[22:25] <cornfeed> i noticed when i came to whole seasons and movies
[22:25] <cogster> What do you people like from people seeking assistance with Ubuntu?  I want to mesh <3
[22:26] <cornfeed> altruism: but i will say, its not bad, but small files are noticeably slower than they could be. both reads and writes
[22:26] <altruism> cornfeed: but if I get you right, 40 MB/s on network write is good concidering I am not running raid?
[22:26] <cornfeed> i would say so
[22:27] <cornfeed> i am at an office right now where we use small dlink storage devices running samba. and I can only get ~11mBps
[22:27] <altruism> cornfeed: okey, then I can stop trying to tweek it some more :-D
[22:27] <cornfeed> and internal sata copy speeds on a windows workstation are closer to ~40mBps, so i would say you are doing good
[22:28] <haf> Hi guys; I have a question -- my login prompt only shows one single user and that's not the user that I am -- so I've been locked out from using the login manager for ubuntu -- how do I make sure both me and the newly added user shows up?
[22:29] <zeroziat> I'll just boot into GParted and kill the Linux and Windows partitions then reinstall them...
[22:29] <abimael> yoooooo i LOVE UBUNTU
[22:29] <abimael> just FYI lol Hello to all
[22:31] <altruism> cornfeed: thanx for your help
[22:32] <cornfeed> altruism: np
[22:32] <cornfeed> zeroziat: good luck, i hope you can back up before hand
[22:32] <altruism> cornfeed: some day soon I will set up a ZFS file server
[22:32] <cornfeed> oohhh me too!!
[22:32] <haf> Does somebody know how I make the default LightDM show a user that is missing?
[22:33] <schultza> id like to get the actual scrollbars back on all windows... how do i do that?
[22:33] <altruism> cornfeed: then I will have faster write speed :-)
[22:35] <cndiv> Long shot, but is anyone using Ubuntu with a Macbook and the mtrack driver?
[22:35] <altruism> cornfeed: ZFS is great! but if you want it fast, the hardware is not 10 $ :-)
[22:36] <cornfeed> yeah....
[22:38] <cogster> What language did they write the kernel in?
[22:39] <altruism> cornfeed: if you have a fast CPU, a lot of RAM, at least 4 mecanic disks, 2 SSD (cache), and you run it with compression... then it gets ridiculous fast.
[22:39] <schultza> cogster, c
[22:39] <schultza> cogster, that is really a questions for #kernel or #linux
[22:39] <cogster> What advantages and disadvantages cooperate within the relationship from C to ASM?
[22:39] <cogster> OK where does my next question go?
[22:40] <cogster> :B Thank you very much by the way, I appreciate your attention to my ignorance :)
[22:40] <schultza> in that case.. thats a #programming questions or #asm or #c
[22:42] <haf> does somebody know how I make lightdm display all users?
[22:43] <wo33lock> ok
[22:52] <Mrokii> Is there a way to include "regular" GUI elements like input fields, buttons and such in Screenlets? Or is there a way to include some kind of config-window with such input-fields (besides the regular-settings window that seems to be the same for every screenlet)?
[22:54] <haf> Hi! I'm missing a user in the lightdm login screen! How can I get that user back??
[22:56] <Black_TC> #tacacs
[23:02] <duli> everyday I get msgs like this "5 Jul 06:45:03 ntpdate[23217]: step time server <IP_ADDRESS> offset 0.828481 sec" in my email. How do I supress it?
[23:04] <haf> damn, why do I always end up eating ubuntu's bugs with noone there to help!
[23:04] <haf> 'System problem detected', awesome
[23:04] <x1k> a big highfive to StormTrooper! what a well chosen name :)
[23:04] <StormTrooper> lol
[23:04] <StormTrooper> i've had this nick for some time
[23:06] <brimestone> hey guys.. how to i clean the proc/mdstat? i still remembers an array that is gone
[23:06] <brimestone> /dev/sdb, sdc, sdd is being controlled by an old array.. and i want to create a new one
[23:07] <compdoc> brimestone, are they loading if /etc/fstab  ?
[23:07] <compdoc> in
[23:08] <haf> Every time I change a user in the ubuntu user panel, the panel user listing stops working and I have to reboot the computer to see my avatar in the uppermost right corner, alsol
[23:08] <brimestone> nope...
[23:08] <brimestone> just the /boot and swap
[23:09] <agike> Cottus: I don't know what it tells us, but 'sudo os-prober' recognises debian, but not ubuntu
[23:11] <Laice> lo, does anyone know how to send commands to TTYACM2 ?
[23:15] <D-Chymera> hi guys - is there any program in synaptic for monitoring stocks?
[23:15] <Laice> !tty
[23:15] <meoblast001> hi
[23:15] <Laice> !ttyACM2
[23:15] <meoblast001> i'm having an issue that i believe may be a unity bug
[23:16] <meoblast001> occasionally, at random, my machine will start to lock up and the hard drive light will turn on steady
[23:16] <meoblast001> is this a known issue?
[23:16] <Laice> not sure how that involves unity, as unity is just the graphical interface frontecd
[23:16] <Laice> frontend*
[23:16] <Laice> this will sound silly but is it likely to be an overheating issue?
[23:17] <bekks> Laice: Sounds pretty unlikely.
[23:18] <D-Chymera> hi guys - is there any program in synaptic for monitoring stocks?
[23:19] <IPfreely> yes stock tracker
[23:21] <agike> Cottus: os-prober does not recognise ubuntu .. que pasa ?
[23:26] <Mrokii> meoblast001: I notice the same issue from time to time, though I think it's not an Unity-exclusive issue. I think I also had it when using the classic environment.
[23:26] <meoblast001> hm, strange
[23:26] <meoblast001> has it been reported?
[23:28] <Mrokii> Not by me. Ubuntu was never really stable for me and I never found solutions for the problems so I more or less gave up looking for explanations. Wouldn't even know what to report, as the lock ups are totally random.
[23:29] <canfaller> AmI alone in saying i dislike unity
[23:29] <Mrokii> canfaller: nope.
[23:30] <compdoc> I install Ubuntu on a varieity of intel and amd cpus, and ssd and normal hard drives. its perfectly stable
[23:30] <canfaller> one has to ask what was they thinking im going back to 10.04
[23:30] <compdoc> variety
[23:30] <OerHeks> !nounity
[23:30] <bulletmark> canfaller: I thought I'd be alone saying I like Unity ;)
[23:31] <angelo_> I also like it! :D
[23:31] <Mrokii> compdoc: I'm using nVidia drivers so that may be one reason for the unstable system, not sure though.
[23:31] <Mrokii> I like Gnome Shell even less than Unity.
[23:31] <compdoc> Mrokii, possibly. I try to use only ubuntu's drivers, but sometimes I do install AMD's drivers
[23:32] <angelo_> What's the topic you're talking about about?
[23:32] <IPfreely> < Gnome cube very cool
[23:33] <jmad980> Mrokii: did you like gnome2?
[23:33] <bulletmark> Mrokii: If you are using nvidia driver then perhaps bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/973096 is your problem. Ubuntu 12.04 is unusable with nvidia for me due to this bug.
[23:33] <angelo_> quit
[23:33] <jagginess> lol.. angelo missed his / key
[23:34] <IPfreely> yo ops looking for a chan that will be able to help with portsentry script in 12.04
[23:35] <Mrokii> bulletmark: I experienced this bug only very rarely on 12.04, but that may be because I updated the driver meanwhile. I'm at version 302.x I think.
[23:36] <bulletmark> Mrokki: All nvidia versions from 295.33 to current 302.17 abort for me with a segmentation fault, as described in that bug.
[23:36] <faryshta> How do I manage volume on XFCE?
[23:37] <Toph2> farchanjo,,, i installed alsamixer
[23:37] <Toph2> faryshta,,,
[23:38] <jagginess> faryshta, audio volume? (not disk volume/partitions?)
[23:39] <jagginess> faryshta, there ought to be something with synaptic or ubuntusoftwarecenter..
[23:41] <schultza> i want to be able to get a full scroll bar on my windows again.. how do i do that?
[23:42] <compdoc> that would be nice
[23:42] <jagginess> schultza, it's a tweak somewhere, I've seen posted about it on ubuntu wiki
[23:42] <Mrokii> bulletmark: Strange. As I said, it happened only very rarely here, maybe once or twice since upgrading to 12.04 and with different nVidia-drivers.
[23:42] <brophat> can i upgrade from a cd?
[23:43] <Mrokii> schultza: You mean the old style with "full" scrollbars?
[23:43] <jagginess> schultza, http://www.liberiangeek.net/2011/08/restore-the-scrollbar-in-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[23:43] <jagginess> schultza, hopefully it does for 12.04 too
[23:44] <agike> if os-prober does not recognise ubuntu .. what does that mean ?
[23:44] <schultza> yes
[23:44] <agike> yes
[23:44] <ki4ro> .
[23:44] <Mrokii> schultza: There's the instruction for 12.04: http://www.tuxgarage.com/2012/05/disable-overlay-scrollbars-in-precise.html
[23:44] <jagginess> schultza, compdoc, i've had this bookmarked (for 12.04) http://www.webupd8.org/2012/04/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html
[23:45] <Mrokii> Seems quite a few people dislike the new scrollbars, heh.
[23:45] <jagginess> I don't mind it.. as i just tend to use pgup/pgdown :p
[23:46] <jagginess> the approch Mrokii looks better
[23:46] <schultza> relogin.. ok.. be back
[23:46] <jagginess> (disabling with gsettigns is more convenient than apt uninstall a pacaakge)
[23:46] <bulletmark> Mrokii: Happens within a couple of hours for me. So nvidia driver. Hapily though, for the first time in the many years I have used Ubuntu, I discovered that the default nouveau driver works fine - in 3D Unity and gnome-shell. No compromise at all except perhaps in fps but I don't play games so don't care about that.
[23:48] <jagginess> bulletmark, nouveau driver hasnt been out for many years :)
[23:48] <IPfreely> Why the hell when i make a connection to this room I get ip <IP_ADDRESS> attempting to exploit Netbus subseven backdoor-g and other exploits viruses against my system OPS you need to ban that IP
[23:49] <luciousjr> hello, my wacom stopped working after being fine for weeks. Im on precise 64bit. Tablet still works in Windows. Any ideas?
[23:49] <IPfreely> its from Bulgaria region
[23:49] <jagginess> IPfreely, what model is it?
[23:50] <IPfreely> model?
[23:50] <OerHeks> IPfreely, join #freenode for that please.
[23:50] <bulletmark> jagginess: what does that sentence mean?
[23:50] <jagginess> IPfreely, wacom is the brand name. model means, the product title
[23:51] <IPfreely> OerHeks, read what I said, its this channel someone is script kittying users as they login here
[23:51] <Mrokii> bulletmark: I do play games so I never installed the nouveau driver. No clue at all how stable it is or how fast the 3D part is.
[23:51] <IPfreely> Jag you have wrong person you want Luciu
[23:51] <jagginess> ok
[23:52] <jagginess> luciousjr, wacom I have one (an old serial one) and i know this company is awesome, provide you can say the model and it's likely a driver is available for it
[23:52] <luciousjr> jagginess, It's an older Intuos 2
[23:53] <luciousjr> jagginess, usb hook up
[23:54] <jagginess> luciousjr, it ought to be in the package manager, wacom's site points to a sourceforge driver site for your product.. it should already be packaged or moduled somewhere
[23:54] <V3NG3NC3> kewl
[23:55] <V3NG3NC3> I am going to control 120,000 volts later tonigth with ubuntu :)
[23:55] <jagginess> luciousjr, lsmod   <enter>  , does it say wacom?
[23:55]  * V3NG3NC3 grins
[23:55] <luciousjr> jagginess, the wacom module shows in lsmod, but it's not showing that it uses any device
[23:55] <Mrokii> Speaking of Wacom... I find it annoying that there is an entry for that in my system settings even though I never used a wacom tablet. And there doesn't seem to be a way to remove that thing from system settings.
[23:56] <jagginess> luciousjr, also be sure any wacom packages out to be installed (eg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wacom ) , apt-cache search wacom
[23:57] <jagginess> luciousjr, btw there's also this command, xsetwacom --list devices
[23:57] <susi> s
[23:59] <luciousjr> jagginess, xsetwacom --list devices, shows my tablet stylus,eraser, and cursor


[07:40] <lux3_> hi
[07:41] <lux3_> i've generated a lirc config for vlc with mythbuntu-lirc-generator but the remote doesn't work in vlc, anyone knows why?
[07:59] <lux3_> ok i needed to enable lirc interface in vlc, now it works
[18:19] <inhuman> after upgrading distros to 13.04, now the top "applications" bar won't disappear when fullscreen apps like the mythtv frontend have focus. How can I make it go away?
[18:33] <inhuman> actually, it seems that mplayer is capable of fullscreening properly. VLC and the MythTV frontend still don't, however.