[15:03] <mib_4j6wo7no> jojoo
[19:01] <[NikO]> hi there
[19:01] <markvandenborre> hi
[19:01] <Seveas> hey
[19:01] <[NikO]> @schedule
[19:12] <nizarus> @schedule tunis
[19:16] <McPeter> hi there
[19:16] <markvandenborre> McPeter: hi... (8pm UTC == 9pm for most of EU)
[19:17] <McPeter> ah ok .. thanks :)
[19:20] <MichaelGodawski> McPeter, also for ubuntu membership tonight ?
[19:20] <MichaelGodawski> :=)
[19:20] <McPeter> yes
[19:21] <MichaelGodawski> me too :) nervous?
[19:22] <McPeter> no :)
[19:23] <MichaelGodawski> good
[19:23] <MichaelGodawski> :)
[19:27] <mr_dxter> I am also applying for membership... :)
[19:28] <MichaelGodawski> hey mr_dxter good luck to us all :)
[19:28] <mr_dxter> yeah... same to you ;)
[19:29] <MichaelGodawski> I hope we get through... last time (many months ago) I waited 3 hours ...
[19:29] <mr_dxter> WTF!?
[19:29] <MichaelGodawski> there were many applicants and I was one of the last ones
[19:29] <mr_dxter> holy shit... :P
[19:29] <markvandenborre> many moons ago, the system was different
[19:29] <markvandenborre> don't worry
[19:29] <MichaelGodawski> but the method changed
[19:30] <MichaelGodawski> yes markvandenborre thats right
[19:30] <mr_dxter> yeah... i can imagine why... ;)
[19:30] <MichaelGodawski> it was discussed on that very meeting when I waited so long
[19:30] <MichaelGodawski> :=)
[19:30] <mr_dxter> Anyone else from Sweden by the way?
[19:38] <mr_dxter> i guess not :P
[19:38] <mr_dxter> so how does this work, the board go through each applying member one by one?
[19:39] <[NikO]> apply is not automatic
[19:40] <mr_dxter> i know ;) but do they go through each member one by one according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/EMEA ?
[19:40] <[NikO]> yes
[19:40] <mr_dxter> cool.. thanks NikO :)
[19:49] <mr_dxter> so the meeting has started now? ;)
[19:49] <[NikO]> or not, depends if there is EMEA 'admin'
[19:50] <drubin> it is still early
[19:51] <mr_dxter> yeah i know, but the toptic changed to "Current meeting:..." so i guess that the meeting had aldready started :)
[19:58]  * stgraber waves
[19:58]  * forumsmatthew waves back
[19:58] <stgraber> I'm at work so I'll try to vote on as many candidate as I can but I can't promise I'll be able to do so for everybody
[19:59] <forumsmatthew> fair enough
[19:59] <[NikO]> anyway, happy new year all :)
[19:59] <forumsmatthew> happy new year
[19:59] <theseinfeld> Happy New Year...
[20:00] <MichaelGodawski> thx [NikO]
[20:00] <MichaelGodawski> :)
[20:00] <mr_dxter> same back to all you guys! :)
[20:01] <mr_dxter> i noticed that is 9 o clock... has the meeting "officially" started yet? :P
[20:02] <forumsmatthew> let's see who is here from the approval board... me, stgraber... anyone else here yet?
[20:03] <[NikO]> o/
[20:03] <McPeter> :)
[20:03] <forumsmatthew> PriceChild, Seveas : you guys at your keyboards?
[20:04] <Seveas> here
[20:04] <Seveas> markvandenborre, poke
[20:04] <forumsmatthew> anyone heard from popey?
[20:04] <PriceChild> Hey
[20:04] <markvandenborre> ah, here I am again
[20:05] <forumsmatthew> that's almost all of us, shall we get going?
[20:05] <forumsmatthew> long list today
[20:05] <Seveas> nothing from popey or phanatic. Were the available today?
[20:05] <mr_dxter> (Y)
[20:05] <forumsmatthew> phanatic sent an email saying he probably won't make it
[20:06] <Seveas> k
[20:06] <Seveas> ok, let's start. If popey arrives later he can catch up
[20:06] <forumsmatthew> agreed
[20:06] <markvandenborre> fine with me
[20:07] <Seveas> the first four on the list are not here.
[20:07] <mr_dxter> i am here
[20:07] <Seveas> mr_dxter, ah, you should have put your real nickname on there
[20:07] <mr_dxter> i know, but dxter was allready occupied :(
[20:08] <Seveas> mr_dxter, ok, you're up first. Please introduce yourself in a few lines
[20:08] <Seveas> other candidates: please prepare a 3-line introduction in a text editor which you can paste when it's your turn
[20:08] <Seveas> council members: shall we remove schakenberg, Richard Verwayen and amitk from the list? The haven't shown up since adding themselves to the list
[20:09] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, yeah, probably
[20:09] <PriceChild> sure
[20:09] <mr_dxter> Well, i am a Swedish Ubuntu enthusiast that has a buring passion for IT and past the last years, also open source and the community around it. I work as a IT consultant and i work primary with enterprise Windows and Ubuntu enviroments around the world focusing on central management and automated deployments.
[20:10] <forumsmatthew> I'm reading through the wiki/launchpad links now
[20:10] <Seveas> I'm going for -1. Your wikipage does not list any contributions you have made to Ubuntu
[20:11] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to agree for now. I see a lot of excitement, but not a lot of activity (yet...).
[20:11] <mr_dxter> ok... my IRL and online contributions are not enough? :(
[20:11] <Seveas> mr_dxter, Ubuntu membership is based on a significant and sustained contribution to ubuntu and/or its community. To apply for membership, you must have made and documented this contribution. I'm not saying you're not doing anything but we can't see any of it on your wiki
[20:12] <PriceChild> Is there anybody that can cheer for your "active team participation" in those 4 teams? I see you joined several teams on launchpad at the same time.
[20:12] <forumsmatthew> I think you have great potential, and I definitely want you around't see anything, but I don
[20:12] <forumsmatthew> don't see any evidence of your activity
[20:12] <mr_dxter> i respect that
[20:12] <Seveas> PriceChild, with a karma of one I doubt that
[20:13] <PriceChild> Yeah... and joining several at the same time, two months ago... :/
[20:13] <mr_dxter> Karma is not everything... i didnt get any karma for all the hours i have spent with the Landscape team...
[20:13] <forumsmatthew> I'm -1, and hopeful that you can come back in six months or so with some activity and a few other people to vouch for you
[20:13] <Seveas> mr_dxter, landscape is a canonical project. Has nothing to do with the Ubuntu community
[20:13] <forumsmatthew> so we have something to base membership on.
[20:13] <mr_dxter> ok
[20:14] <mr_dxter> i understand
[20:14] <mr_dxter> sorry
[20:15] <markvandenborre> yeah, /me too would rather have you gather some more evidence of activities... but please don't let that put you off!
[20:15] <Seveas> PriceChild, markvandenborre, stgraber: a vote please (or further comments)
[20:15] <PriceChild> -1
[20:15] <stgraber> sorry, just came back. Looking at the above and the comments that were done, I'm going to follow with a -1 on this one. Please come back later when you have documented your contributions.
[20:15] <mr_dxter> i will.. thank you for your time :)
[20:16] <forumsmatthew> I look forward to seeing you again later
[20:16] <mr_dxter> me to, thanks :)
[20:16] <Seveas> mr_dxter, sorry to disappoint, and hopefully see you sson
[20:16] <Seveas> [NikO], you're up
[20:16] <[NikO]> I'm Nicolas Coevoet, i'm irc Admin/Operator on #ubuntu-fr* channels for years (4/5) now
[20:16] <[NikO]> I provide help, support and i do use a lof of my time to keep channels friendly, usefull and 'convivial'
[20:17] <[NikO]> i also maintain uBOTu-fr https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-bots/ubotufr a supybot derivated which help user and moderator on #ubuntu-fr #ubuntu-es and at a moment #ubuntu-eu channels
[20:17] <Seveas> [NikO], are there any other #ubuntu-fr ops or the channel owner here to cheer for you?
[20:17] <[NikO]> i think Zic McPeter
[20:18] <[NikO]> perhaps some others, but lot of them use wiki testimonials
[20:18] <McPeter> :)
[20:18] <legreffier> hey
[20:18] <Seveas> I see the wiki testimonials, that's great
[20:18] <Seveas> and I'm leaning towards +1, but some cheers in here would help
[20:19] <forumsmatthew> The testimonials are quite good
[20:19] <Seveas> when did you start contributing to #ubuntu-fr and when did you start ubotu-fr?
[20:19] <popey> apologies
[20:19] <Zic> yes
[20:19] <Seveas> hey popey
[20:19] <popey> hi
[20:19] <forumsmatthew> yay popey is here!
[20:19] <Zic> my apologies, I'm late
[20:19] <[NikO]> i start helping in #ubuntu-fr 4 years ago
[20:19] <legreffier> mine too
[20:19] <legreffier> i didn'got the mail
[20:19] <[NikO]> and host the first/only bot on #ubuntu-fr* channel at the same times
[20:20] <Seveas> popey, (dxter has been 'handled', now on [NikO])
[20:20] <popey> thanks
 I'm Nicolas Coevoet, i'm irc Admin/Operator on #ubuntu-fr* channels for years (4/5) now
 I provide help, support and i do use a lof of my time to keep channels friendly, usefull and 'convivial'
 i also maintain uBOTu-fr https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-fr/ubuntu-bots/ubotufr a supybot derivated which help user and moderator on #ubuntu-fr #ubuntu-es and at a moment #ubuntu-eu channels
[20:20] <McPeter> mine too
[20:20] <Seveas> +1, 4 years of help on irc and excellent testimonials
[20:20] <PriceChild> I think [NikO] has always been great when I've interacted with him about #ubuntu-fr. Any big plans?
[20:21] <markvandenborre> +1
[20:21] <Zic> [NikO]: is one of the main operators on #ubuntu-fr* channels, his work contribute to moderation and virtual animation (principally with help)
[20:21] <forumsmatthew> +1 from me
[20:21] <stgraber> +
[20:21] <Zic> so, +1
[20:21] <legreffier> I +1 too because i <3 [NikO]
[20:22] <[NikO]> davromaniak, any report about my work on #ubuntu-fr* :)
[20:22] <popey> +1 based on those testimonials
[20:22] <Seveas> PriceChild, can I consider your last statement to be a +1?
[20:22] <legreffier> he's (almost) always happy and the bot is great
[20:22] <PriceChild> Yep, +1.
[20:22] <legreffier> and he kicks ass :D
[20:22] <Seveas> ok, congrats [NikO] and welcome aboard!
[20:22] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[20:22] <[NikO]> thanks a lot all :)
[20:22] <davromaniak> +1 for [NikO], he's a great member, his bot is great, law prohibits human cloning, and it's a shame, :)
[20:23] <PriceChild> dearie me what a cheer...
[20:23] <Seveas> McPeter, you're next on the list
[20:23] <[NikO]> lol davromaniak :)
[20:23] <Seveas> also good testimonials
[20:24] <McPeter> hi
[20:24] <McPeter> I'm Pierre Pavard, i'm irc Admin/Operator on #ubuntu-fr* channels for 3 years now. I make different tutorial on doc.ubuntu-fr.org and maintain .i help a lot in next version of ubuntu-fr.org portal, with css/xhtml/php strict compilant
[20:24] <McPeter> i also provide pastebin for ubuntu-fr user and wiki backup in case of ubuntu-eu failure
[20:24] <Seveas> McPeter, can you link us to some wikipages you're particularly proud of?
[20:24] <McPeter> on fr wiki
[20:25] <forumsmatthew> pas de problem
[20:25] <Seveas> some of us do understand french :)
[20:25] <McPeter> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/lamp_repertoires_de_travail
[20:25] <forumsmatthew> only enough to get in trouble in Paris
[20:25] <McPeter> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lamp <-- at the end
[20:25] <popey> :)
[20:25] <[NikO]> McPeter, do a lot of help, step by step, i spend a lot of time for that on main #ubuntu-fr channel
[20:25]  * stgraber is looking
[20:25] <McPeter> screencast to install easy lamp
[20:26] <Seveas> screencasts ftw
[20:26] <McPeter> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/lightscribe
[20:26] <Zic> McPeter is, like [NikO], one of the main operators of #ubuntu-fr channels, and he wrote somes tutorials about LAMP server, PulseAudio's problem and fixing, and he develop somes tool on ubuntu-fr-secours.org (paste, sourceslist generator, screencasts...)
[20:26] <[NikO]> he also provide with #ubuntu-fr-devweb team a lot of work for drupal integration, css themes
[20:26] <popey> \o/ screencasts#
[20:26] <Seveas> long contribution to irc, good contributions to doc and to webteam. +1 here
[20:27] <Zic> he also works on the ubuntu-fr.org's Drupal
[20:27] <forumsmatthew> agreed. +1
[20:27] <popey> +1 here too
[20:27] <markvandenborre> +1
[20:27] <markvandenborre> watching the video right now
[20:27] <PriceChild> I'm going to +1 along with the great cheers.
[20:27] <Seveas> stgraber, ?
[20:28] <legreffier> the only guy that can save the ubuntu-fr world , from mIRC. +1 indeed :)
[20:28] <McPeter> mIRC ? oO
[20:28] <McPeter> legreffier, rhoo :)
[20:28] <legreffier> :P
[20:28] <stgraber> looks good
[20:28] <stgraber> +
[20:28] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[20:28] <stgraber> +1 even
[20:28] <popey> these french.. they're quite... passionate! :)
[20:28] <markvandenborre> McPeter: bleh, nano
[20:28] <Seveas> congrats McPeter
[20:28] <markvandenborre> nano is for wussies! :p
[20:28] <Seveas> welcome to the club
[20:28] <davromaniak> dd rocks, :D
[20:28]  * forumsmatthew likes nano and must be a wuss  :)
[20:29] <markvandenborre> no, really, welcome to the club, congratulations
[20:29] <McPeter> many thanks all :)
[20:29] <Seveas> MichaelGodawski, you're up
[20:29] <legreffier> \o/
[20:29] <MichaelGodawski> My name is Michael Godwski. I am 23 years old. I am studying history of art and sociology. Not the usual “geek”, as you can see from my studies. Using Ubuntu since the 7.04 release and am in the Beginner Team and Unanswered Post Team since the 7.10 release. Recently I am also active in the Education Focus Group, writing courses and holding classes. However the most hours I spend on the forums helping new users and
[20:29] <MichaelGodawski> writing tutorials on my Ubuntu Website.
[20:29] <Zic> (g'night everyone)
[20:29] <Seveas> MichaelGodawski, why are you writing tutorials on your website and not on the wiki?
[20:30] <MichaelGodawski> some are written extra easy for beginners, also I write them when I work on the Absolute Beginner Talk, to document the best solutions
[20:31] <Seveas> I see no reason not to have that on the wiki or help.ubuntu.com, would be very useful :)
[20:31] <popey> having looked at a few of them, they're very nicely written tutorials
[20:31] <MichaelGodawski> if you think that I can easily move them to the wiki no problem :)
[20:32] <markvandenborre> I'm a bit confused... you say you're in the beginners team since 7.10
[20:32] <markvandenborre> but the launchpad page says 2008/11/28
[20:32] <MichaelGodawski> yep, I am responsible for the confusion
[20:32] <PriceChild> Was there any reason for creating your own website in the first place?
[20:32] <Seveas> markvandenborre, the ubuntuforums beginners team perhaps?
[20:32] <MichaelGodawski> slow one after the other :)
[20:32] <popey> it is explained on his wiki page
[20:33] <MichaelGodawski> i had to do a break... my former nick was janquark, it is also stated on my wiki
[20:33] <Seveas> ah right
[20:33] <MichaelGodawski> PriceChild, I thought my tutorials were not good enough for the official wiki
[20:33] <popey> they are MichaelGodawski in my opinion
[20:34] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, can you say anything about MichaelGodawski's contributions to the forums?
[20:34] <MichaelGodawski> but I wanted to link to them if needed, thx popey
[20:34] <markvandenborre> sorry, overlooked it
[20:34] <PriceChild> But that's what is great about a wiki, even if you don't think its the best it could be, you can put your stuff on there and work with others to make it better.
[20:34] <forumsmatthew> I feel good about the tuts, the application in general, and am +1
[20:34] <forumsmatthew> He has a lot of posts in the forums helping people
[20:34] <forumsmatthew> and I know the people leaving the testimonials
[20:34] <Seveas> good to know, as I don't know them :)
[20:34] <Seveas> +1 from me
[20:34] <popey> MichaelGodawski: i will happily help you migrate them to the wiki
[20:34]  * Joeb454 is here to give "cheers" for MichaelGodawski too :)
[20:34] <stgraber> +1
[20:34] <markvandenborre> I feel a bit mixed about keeping this stuff outside the channel
[20:35] <PriceChild> MichaelGodawski: from your website: "By using Ubuntu you also accept to act according to the Ubuntu Code of Conduct" - I don't think that's quite true.
[20:35] <popey> PriceChild: its an interpretation :)
[20:35] <MichaelGodawski> it should be :)
[20:35] <popey> :)
[20:35]  * drubin is also here for MichaelGodawski
[20:35] <popey> I am going to +1 because I believe he has made a sustained contribution to ubuntu both on the forums and in the form of tutorials (wherever they are hosted)
[20:36] <PriceChild> The CoC says "be nice", everyone should follow it regardless of whether they use Ubuntu or not imo. But its not a requirement.
[20:36] <MichaelGodawski> PriceChild, I can change this sentence :) accordingly to your suggestions
[20:36] <Seveas> popey, yeah, the location of a contribution shouldn't really be relevant. It's good to have discussed it though, we may see more good wikicontent soon now ;)
[20:36]  * forestpixie is here for him too
[20:36] <markvandenborre> I tend to +1, just please try to integrate your stuff with the rest of the docs
[20:37] <MichaelGodawski> sure markvandenborre
[20:37] <popey> MichaelGodawski: mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and I'll help you migrate content to the wiki if you need it
[20:37] <Seveas> PriceChild, your vote please
[20:37] <MichaelGodawski> will do popey
[20:39] <Seveas> PriceChild, ?
[20:39] <PriceChild> I'm going to give a -1 on this. I do hope you move your work onto the wiki and would like to see that the best it could be.
[20:39] <Seveas> PriceChild, any particular reason for the -1?
[20:40] <Seveas> just the location of the docs, or other reasons?
[20:40] <PriceChild> The location of the docs mainly.
[20:40] <Seveas> k
[20:40] <MichaelGodawski> sure PriceChild and thx for your opinion
[20:40] <PriceChild> But congratulations I think :)
[20:40] <Seveas> that makes it a 5/1 split decision, so you still made it
[20:40] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[20:40] <Seveas> congratulations and welcome to the team!
[20:40] <MichaelGodawski> thx to all :)
[20:40] <popey> well done MichaelGodawski, make sure you mail me to keep PriceChild happy :)
[20:41] <Joeb454> 'grats MichaelGodawski
[20:41] <PriceChild> :P
[20:41] <Seveas> theseinfeld, you're up
[20:41] <MichaelGodawski> thx all
[20:41] <theseinfeld> ok
[20:41] <theseinfeld> Hi all!
[20:41] <theseinfeld> Linux user since 1994, Debian and then Ubuntu user since breezy...
[20:41] <theseinfeld> Senior Software Architect in Elektrobit, Special Terminals & Solutions dealing with Linux for Moblin and done some Ubuntu mobile contributions as well.
[20:41] <theseinfeld> Also, I have been active within ubuntu on various projects as well on the bug reporting, forums, wikis but mostly on the free open source community. I am also member of the Ubuntu-Ro and FOSS of Finland.
[20:42] <theseinfeld> those are my three lines
[20:42] <Seveas> -1. The main contributions you list on your wikipage are in packaging of packages I don't think I can judge well. Maybe the MOTU route is a better route to membership for you https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[20:43] <theseinfeld> Other than this, I am also Assistant Professor, and used Ubuntu in my classes, so, I guess that will count as advotating...
[20:43] <popey> some interesting teams you're a member of there theseinfeld :S
[20:43] <Seveas> theseinfeld, while we appreciate advocacy, it's also very hard to judge without some sort of evidence (photos, reports)
[20:43] <theseinfeld> Hmm, that is one work I did and I am still doing...
[20:44] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to -1 for the same reasons as Seveas for now...I would like to see more evidence
[20:44] <PriceChild> I agree with Seveas.
[20:44] <forumsmatthew> Sorry, all. I have to go. My son just woke up and needs me
[20:44] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, ok, see you next time! Thanks for being here
[20:44] <PriceChild> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers gives information about the membership route for developers (ubuntu contributing developers)
[20:44]  * popey stops rattling the cot
[20:44] <theseinfeld> Seveas, that is true. I cannot give you internal access to laboratory documents though :(
[20:44] <PriceChild> (I have 15 minutes)
[20:45] <theseinfeld> beside that, I did contribute to some documents, help in the IRC, bugs, etc.
[20:45] <popey> I have to agree with Seveas, it's difficult to gauge developer contributions for me. I would recommend the MOTU route also.
[20:45] <markvandenborre> is there anyone around to cheer for you
[20:45] <Seveas> theseinfeld, then you should document that on your wikipage. We cannot guess that :)
[20:46] <theseinfeld> cprov, adiroiban for ubutu-ro
[20:46] <theseinfeld> I know couple of other guys, like crazybyte, DoruHush, elkbuntu, lool, ogra, persia
[20:47] <cprov> right, I did work and with Peter on the artoolkit debianization and I think he has valuable knowledge on that area (augmented reality / video applications)
[20:47] <theseinfeld> perhaps even popey might remember me from some revu things one year ago...
[20:47]  * popey has never done any revu stuff :S
[20:47] <popey> unless it was when I was dreaming of course
[20:47] <Seveas> theseinfeld, then please document all these things on your wikipage, or use the MOTU route to membership if your main focus is packaging
[20:48] <theseinfeld> perhaps I confuse you with another name, sorry...
[20:48] <popey> np
[20:48] <theseinfeld> Seveas, the MOTU was for one package, a library that I am developer (libdc1394) that was lagging behind
[20:49] <Seveas> markvandenborre, stgraber: can I have a vote please?
[20:49] <theseinfeld> I am not sure if I will go more than couple of packages that I help
[20:49] <theseinfeld> I have done some work on the libdc1394 packaging that went back to debian (my work0
[20:49] <stgraber> Seveas: -1 based on the above comments
[20:49] <markvandenborre> +- ... 0 ... would rather see you go the MOTU way
[20:49] <theseinfeld> than later to ubuntu
[20:50] <markvandenborre> and document stuff better
[20:50] <Seveas> theseinfeld, I'm afraid that the lack of documentation made us say no today, but please document all your contribution and gather some cheers from other people on your wikipage and you could be accepted next time
[20:50] <theseinfeld> sure
[20:50] <theseinfeld> thanks for your time
[20:50] <markvandenborre> I'm a bit torn here...
[20:50] <popey> or go the MOTU route :)
[20:50] <markvandenborre> oops, sorry, message was meant for a friend
[20:50] <Seveas> Last available person on the list today is xdatap
[20:50] <theseinfeld> as I said, MOTU is perhaps too much for my digestion :D
[20:51] <xdatap> ok
[20:51] <popey> heh
[20:51] <xdatap> may i go?
[20:51] <Seveas> theseinfeld, see you in a couple of weeks/months when you've finished your wikipage!
[20:51] <Seveas> xdatap, yes
[20:51] <xdatap> Launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~xdatap1  ||  Wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaoloSammicheli
[20:51] <xdatap> Hi everybody. My name is Paolo Sammicheli from Siena, Italy. I started contributing in Ubuntu on November 2006 mainly within the Italian LoCo Team. Inside the LoCo Team I've been doing translations, contributing to the web site and I'm one of the administrators of the Italian Marketing Team (Gruppo Promozione). I've been contributing translations also for upstream projects (GNOME, freeciv.org) and I'm a member o
[20:51] <xdatap> f the Siena LUG where I'm Free Software Evangelist since 1999. I also attended last UDS in Mountain View where I had a lot of fun meeting incredible ppl. In the future i will continue to work on Italian Marketing Team spreading the verb and... who knows? Maybe packages?
[20:52] <Seveas> cheers from mdke and hattory. Will be hard to say no
[20:53] <markvandenborre> +5
[20:53] <markvandenborre> :)
[20:54] <Seveas> xdatap, I'd like to see some more documentation about what you do for the -it team though
[20:54] <popey> what is the utoon team for?
[20:54] <Seveas> +0 here, testimonials good, documentation not so
[20:54] <xdatap> popey: it's growing. a guy from italian it's a cartoon designer. we are trying to make some strips
[20:55] <popey> excellent, compete with xkcd or userfriendly? :)
[20:55] <xdatap> Seveas: what kind of documentation? I'm in web site team, workin on site
[20:55] <xdatap> Seveas: and in Gruppo Promozione i'm one of the admin
[20:55] <Seveas> xdatap, yes, but what kind of things do you do? Maintain drupal? Write php? Style with css?
[20:56] <Seveas> just some more details. I don't doubt that you do good work, but I'd like to know what you do :)
[20:56] <popey> xdatap: i thought I recognised your photo, you were at UDS in SFO?
[20:56] <Seveas> popey, yes, see wikipage ;)
[20:56] <xdatap> popey: yes, we met ad comunity track
[20:56] <popey> it was rhetorical Seveas :p
[20:56] <popey> thought so
[20:57] <xdatap> Seveas: let me find pages for italian marketing team, that is the most evident work
[20:57] <xdatap> here's the blueprint tree i made for gruppo promozione: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-it/+spec/promozione-goal
[20:58] <xdatap> each blueprint it's related to a project followed by a project manager
[20:58] <markvandenborre> sorry guys, really have to go... +1 from me
[20:58] <markvandenborre> bye
[20:59] <Seveas> xdatap, for how many of those projects are you the manager?
[20:59] <xdatap> Seveas: actualy i follow "LUG Partnership"
[21:00] <xdatap> Seveas: it's a huge work because the project want to put in contact the 150 LUG of Italy with Ubuntu-it. Not easy at all. someone don't like us so much
[21:00] <Seveas> ah duh, it says right there in the image
[21:01] <xdatap> Seveas: and then supervisioning all project, talking in our mailing list
[21:01] <Seveas> popey PriceChild stgraber, are you ready to vote?
[21:02] <popey> xdatap: were you sponsored to UDS by canonical or did you get other funding?
[21:02] <PriceChild> I'm torn for the same reasons as Seveas I'm afraid. +0. Would be great if you could get a little more info on your wiki page about what they are cheering you for.
[21:02] <xdatap> popey: i payed myself my expenses and i'm very proud of it (someone called me crazy)
[21:02] <Seveas> PriceChild, I'm actually leaning towards +1 now, given the added info
[21:02] <stgraber> yeah, I tend to agree with Seveas too, +0 as well
[21:02] <popey> nice one xdatap
[21:02] <PriceChild> I've got to run in a couple of mins sorry & won't be able to stay throughout the next candidate.
[21:02] <popey> +1 from me.
[21:03] <Seveas> PriceChild, this is the last candidate :)
[21:03] <jpds> xdatap: I'd say. ;-)
[21:03] <Seveas> I'm changing to a +1
[21:03]  * PriceChild thinks
[21:05]  * popey notes the lights start to dim
[21:05] <Seveas> heh
[21:05] <Seveas> is PriceChild thinking that hard?
[21:05]  * popey puts mor dilithium crystals in PriceChilds ear
[21:06] <Seveas> moar dilithium!
[21:06] <PriceChild> Right ok I'll go +1. They are great cheers.
[21:06] <popey> woot
[21:06] <xdatap> yay! Thanks everybody!
[21:06] <popey> congrats xdatap
[21:07] <Seveas> That makes 4 +1 and one +0.


[01:57] <Kurdiez> when I use the snapstore to host my own snap store, I get an error from the snapd with signature mismatch
[01:57] <Kurdiez> I looked at the sources of the current snapstore and it does not do any kind of signature attachment to the JSON response it sends back to the snapd.
[01:58] <Kurdiez> Is there an updated SnapStore that works with the latest snapd?
[01:58] <Kurdiez> I got the SnapStore link from the Ubuntu Core official site.
[05:46] <foxmask> bonjello
[10:15] <mup> Bug #1643292 opened: /snap/bin/hello - fails to execute with apparmor error. <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1643292>
[11:49] <gerry_> hi I am trying to package my java app and receiving this error "Error: Unable to access jarfile /snap/highlighterpdf/x48/highlighterpdf.jar"
[11:51] <gerry_> sorry forgot to mention I get this error when I try to use it after I have installed it
[11:56] <OnkelTem> Hi all
[11:56] <OnkelTem> I've just discovered Snaps things :)
[11:56] <OnkelTem> thing*
[11:57] <OnkelTem> I wonder is it more a future technology or I can make use of it right now?
[11:59] <OnkelTem> I'm trying to create a portable workstation and currently targeting on docker images
[12:00] <OnkelTem> I'd like to up and run a workstation with all needed (developer) environment as fast as possible
[12:00] <OnkelTem> in some sense I dream of a thin workstation :)
[12:01] <OnkelTem> well technically it will be thick of course, but from administration pov it would require almost zero efforts to get it working
[12:02] <OnkelTem> Can snaps help me in this?
[13:50] <gerry_> hi I am trying to package my java app. This is my yaml http://pastebin.com/7K241tTf . When I try to run it  I get "A fatal error has been detected by the Java Runtime Environment:"
[14:17] <gerry_> I am using this one line wrapper "$JAVA_HOME/jre/bin/java -jar $SNAP/usr/bin/highlighterpdf.jar"
[14:24] <Guest58894> does anyone knows where $SNAP_DATA writes to? to which directory? thanks
[14:29] <foxmask> Guest58894: /usr/lib/snap* ?
[14:29] <foxmask> or /var/lib/snap*
[14:30] <foxmask> not sure
[14:31] <Guest58894> hum, because I'm writing my logs to $SNAP_DATA and I have no idea where it is
[14:31] <Guest58894> in the reference they had an example with a format like: /var/snap/<snap-name>/<version>
[14:31] <Guest58894> but I didn't see the logs there :/
[14:32] <foxmask> Guest58894: my poor friend, i a noob like you :/
[14:33] <Guest58894> :D
[14:33] <foxmask> :D
[14:33] <foxmask> try a find / -name yourlogfile.log
[14:33] <foxmask> you'sll spot the $SNAP_DATA folder :)
[14:33] <foxmask> you'll spot the $SNAP_DATA folder :)
[14:34] <Guest58894> no luck :/
[14:34] <Guest58894> maybe nothing is getting written in the file :D
[14:35] <Guest58894> and I got no bugs, so there's no need to write a log of a problem that didn't happen :D
[14:36] <Guest58894> thanks anyways :)
[14:36] <Guest58894> good luck out there too
[15:32] <blackout24> Hi, I'm running the ubuntu-terminal-app on Arch Linux as a snap. The only issue is that it asks for authentication, but doesn't accept my standard password. What does it need authentication for?


[00:21] <ubotu> New bug: #186246 in ubiquity (main) "[Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy i386 desktop alpha daily-build:  Installation to hard drive produces bad grub boot menu.lst file lacking necessary boot info -- SHOW-STOPPER FOR ALPHA-4]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186246
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186247 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "[Hardy]sun-java6-bin: suit.properties.tmp (Permission denied)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186247
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186248 in transmission (main) "Strange capitalisation in preferences dialogue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186248
[00:26] <crimsun> gcc bug 34470
[00:26] <ubotu> gcc bug 34470 in c++ "[4.3 regression] spurious "is used uninitialized" from auto_ptr" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=34470
[00:52] <greg-g> could someone mark bug 150252 to Importance: High (severely affecting a small portion of users)
[00:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150252 in tasksel "tasksel remove all Ubuntu-desktop dependencies without confirmation dialog" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150252
[00:52] <ubotu> New bug: #186250 in gedit-plugins (universe) "gedit unable to open text file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186250
[00:53] <greg-g> and bug 183918 to Low Importance
[00:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183918 in network-manager-applet "network-manager applet freeze" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183918
[00:53] <greg-g> and bug 185805 to Wishlist
[00:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185805 in apt "Need a way to list high urgency updates only" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185805
[00:54] <ubotu> New bug: #186251 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "Flash framerate is slower than the older version of Flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186251
[00:57] <persia> greg-g: Done.
[00:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186252 in nautilus (main) "Suggestion, Multiple side bars in Nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186252
[00:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186253 in ubuntu "[Hardy] freeciv-sdl won't start - no usable default theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186253
[00:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186254 in freeciv (universe) "[Hardy] freeciv-sdl won't start - no usable default theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186254
[00:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186255 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig is blank when using radeonhd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186255
[00:59] <greg-g> thanks persia
[01:00] <persia> greg-g: Thank you for the investigation.
[01:01] <greg-g> persia: 'tis what I am here for :)
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #186256 in ubiquity (main) "[Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy i386 desktop alpha-3+ daily-build]  Guided entire disk installation fails when installing onto existing Ubuntu system that should be over-written." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186256
[01:17] <ubotu> New bug: #186257 in xorg (main) "[Gutsy] Xorg initialises with wrong refresh rate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186257
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #186260 in ghdl (universe) "constraint error: Message: nodes.adb:111 index check failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186260
[01:42] <ubotu> New bug: #186264 in hal (main) "keyboard randomly goes dead; takes a logout to restore functionality." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186264
[03:48] <ubotu> New bug: #186267 in nautilus-python (universe) "Please sponsor nautilus-python 0.5.0 (universe) into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186267
[04:28] <ubotu> New bug: #186266 in nautilus "[hardy] nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186266
[04:28] <ubotu> New bug: #186272 in marble (universe) "After upgrading to Gutsy, Marble does not start anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186272
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #186274 in util-linux "set uuid for swap-partition, mkswap-uuid patch by drbl (clonezilla) project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186274
[04:47] <ubotu> New bug: #186275 in dput (main) "dcut shouldn't pretend to work for Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186275
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #186279 in gnome-terminal (main) "Desktop effects enabled no borders on windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186279
[06:37] <ubotu> New bug: #186280 in apport (main) "apport refuses to report firefox crash - not genuine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186280
[06:53] <ubotu> New bug: #186282 in hal (main) "bad policy description" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186282
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #186283 in postfix (main) "Please sync postfix 2.4.6-5  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186283
[07:33] <ubotu> New bug: #186284 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] vamp-plugin-sdk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186284
[07:54] <ubotu> New bug: #186286 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashes when visualizing a particular icon owned by root on Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186286
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #186289 in ubuntu "Ubuntu 7.10 no sound after a while" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186289
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186292 in penguintv (universe) "PenguinTV crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186292
[10:23] <ubotu> New bug: #186295 in ffmpeg (main) "ffmpeg crashes with segfault in audio_resample()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186295
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186296 in linux (main) "[Patch] include wireless scan_capa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186296
[10:29] <Iulian> Hmm, there are a lot of bugs reported about nautilus.
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #186297 in linux (main) "Regression: No replacement for /proc/acpi/alarm due to missing rtc0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186297
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #186298 in gnome-system-monitor (main) "logitech quickcam 5000 pro doesnt work on ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186298
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #186299 in network-manager (main) "[Patch] include wireless scan_capa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186299
[10:54] <ubotu> New bug: #186301 in rkward (universe) "Unneeded dependencies?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186301
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #186302 in xfce4-battery-plugin (universe) "Please merge xfce4-battery-plugin 0.5.0-4 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186302
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #186303 in gdm (main) "gdm makes you log-in twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186303
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #186304 in libxfce4mcs (main) "Please merge libxfce4mcs 4.4.2-2 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186304
[11:32] <ubotu> New bug: #186305 in wmaker (universe) "Merge wmaker 0.92.0-7 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186305
[11:37] <Hobbsee> !ping
[11:37] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #186306 in slocate (main) "updatedb runs every day" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186306
[11:47] <ubotu> New bug: #186307 in gnome-panel (main) "Window List Invisibility Issue (Programs Disappear And Come Back Randomly)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186307
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #186311 in kaffeine (main) "kaffeine unexpectedly terminated when i switched between engines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186311
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #186312 in kaffeine (main) "kaffeine doesn't use mplayer even if it's installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186312
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #186313 in kaffeine (main) "kaffeine doesn't show controls if i use gstreamer library" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186313
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #186314 in youtube-dl (universe) "Please upgrade youtube-dl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186314
[12:22] <ubotu> New bug: #186317 in tomboy (main) "package tomboy 0.9.4-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186317
[12:23] <ubotu> New bug: #186315 in mono (main) "package libmono-winforms2.0-cil 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186315
[12:24] <ubotu> New bug: #186316 in coq-doc (universe) "Please move coq-doc to multiverse (non-free/docs)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186316
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186318 in mono (main) "package libmono-winforms1.0-cil 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186318
[12:47] <ubotu> New bug: #186319 in ubuntu "changing sound output device via asoundconf not reflected in Gnome Sound Preferences applet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186319
[12:47] <ubotu> New bug: #186320 in xevil (universe) "Please sync xevil 2.02r2-8 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186320
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #186321 in labyrinth (universe) "labyrinth crashed with KeyError in delete()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186321
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #184893 in thunar (universe) "Kafeine refused to close (look like closed) and crash on unmounting of removable drive (containing music used by Kafein)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184893
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #186324 in evolution (main) "Evolution still does not use gnome-keyring in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186324
[13:00] <ubotu> New bug: #186325 in linux-source-2.6.22 "kernel ignores "acpi=force" with quiet option on older BIOS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186325
[13:09] <ubotu> New bug: #186328 in update-manager (main) "update-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_keymap_get_direction()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186328
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #186327 in netatalk (universe) "netatalk file transfer to real mac very slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186327
[13:12] <Hobbsee> !ping
[13:12] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[13:13] <wolfger> pong
[13:13] <Hobbsee> !ping
[13:13] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[13:13] <Hobbsee> right.
[13:20] <ubotu> New bug: #186333 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Error message after plugging firewire hard disk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186333
[13:22] <ubotu> New bug: #186335 in update-manager (main) "ERRORS OF UPGRADE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186335
[13:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186337 in ubuntu "crached during uipdate process" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186337
[13:38] <Hobbsee> !ping
[13:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186338 in rhythmbox (main) "radio playback works, but does not appear as playback" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186338
[13:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186339 in libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql (main) "Memory leak libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186339
[13:38] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[13:39] <Hobbsee> !ping
[13:39] <ubotu> ping: unknown host
[13:49] <ubotu> New bug: #186340 in firefox (main) "I attempted to delete my trash emails in my yahoo mail account." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186340
[13:53] <ubotu> New bug: #186342 in gedit (main) "[wishlist] Fast access to WordWrap switching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186342
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #186343 in ubuntu "typo error in xchat-gnome description" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186343
[14:17] <ubotu> New bug: #186345 in gimp (main) "histogram disappears in gimp's curves tool" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186345
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #186346 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Wrong EXTRAVERSION number" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186346
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #186347 in alsa-driver (main) "snd-hda-intel toshiba u200-165" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186347
[14:22] <ubotu> New bug: #186348 in rhythmbox (main) "whenever i put up my volume it open the import file function... HELP!!!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186348
[14:26] <ubotu> New bug: #186349 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Wrong EXTRAVERSION number" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186349
[14:53] <ubotu> New bug: #186350 in debmirror (universe) "debmirror/Simple.pm Use of uninitialized value" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186350
[14:58] <ubotu> New bug: #186353 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "gnome-volume-manager does not start in Hurdy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186353
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #186355 in ubuntu "hardy, locking assertion failure when running netbeans" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186355
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #186356 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "hardy, locking assertion failure when running netbeans" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186356
[15:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186360 in ubuntu "82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller not working (7.10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186360
[15:33] <ubotu> New bug: #186361 in kdesdk-kde4 (universe) "File selector plugin reacts to doubleclick only" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186361
[15:33] <ubotu> New bug: #186362 in blender (universe) "Blender should be compiled with python 2.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186362
[15:33] <ubotu> New bug: #186363 in nis (main) "nis init.d script should start ypxfrd on slave, not master" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186363
[15:33] <ubotu> New bug: #186364 in synaptic (main) "I was not able to find UMTSmon in the Ubuntu repos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186364
[15:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186365 in nautilus (main) "Please move xdg-user-dirs depend to "Suggests"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186365
[15:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186366 in cpio (main) "cpio segfaults with "-E" on a non-existing file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186366
[15:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186367 in nis (main) "yphelper does not list all of master's maps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186367
[15:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186368 in cdbs (main) "install errors with 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186368
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #186371 in blender (universe) "Ray tracing too slow (not joking)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186371
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #186373 in gpsd (universe) "gpsd-clients (2.34) package in (gutsy-backports ) does not contain gpsfake" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186373
[16:10] <calc> anyone else notice that gnome/nautilus has lost its ability to open text files, it claims "There is no application installed for this file type" ?
[16:13] <pochu> calc: yes
[16:13] <calc> pochu: is there a bug already filed against it, or is it a "feature"
[16:15] <pochu> calc: I don't know whether there's a bug filed or not
[16:16] <calc> pochu: ok i'll double check with seb128 before i file one
[16:18] <crimsun> hmm, in hardy?  It seems to work here.
[16:19] <calc> crimsun: yea it happened on both my laptop and now desktop
[16:19] <calc> i was gone to london last week so i didn't notice it on my desktop until todya
[16:19] <calc> er today
[16:19] <pochu> Happens here inside nautilus. Not in the desktop though.
[16:19] <calc> the desktop is nautilus, so thats odd
[16:20] <calc> or at least if it still works the same as it used to
[16:20] <pochu> Wait, the file in the desktop is .css, whereas the one in ~ doesn't have an extension...
[16:20] <calc> if it doesn't have an extension does it work?
[16:20] <pochu> Ok, I've copied the file to the deskotp and fails equally
[16:20] <calc> ok good
[16:21] <calc> it looks like maybe they stopped using file to determine file type (but that is just a guess)
[16:21] <calc> er 'file' the program
[16:21] <pochu> removing the extension to the .css file doesn't change anything (i.e. it still works)
[16:21] <calc> hmm
[16:22] <pochu> heh, moving mc-vote to mv-vote.css in ~ makes it work
[16:22] <pochu> emilio@pochu:~$ file mc-vote
[16:22] <pochu> mc-vote: ASCII text
[16:22] <pochu> emilio@pochu:~$ mv mc-vote mc-vote.css
[16:22] <pochu> emilio@pochu:~$ file mc-vote.css
[16:22] <pochu> mc-vote.css: ASCII text
[16:22] <pochu> emilio@pochu:~$
[16:22] <pochu> and it works now...
[16:22] <calc> so looks like gnome is regressing to windows like behavior
[16:23] <pochu> Well nautilus 2.21.x has changed a lot of things, so I'd say it's just a bug
[16:23] <pochu> might be the change to gio
[16:23] <calc> ok
[16:23] <calc> i'll ping seb128 when he is online
[16:24] <pochu> ok
[16:24] <Nafallo> calc: file a bug ?
[16:47] <ubotu> New bug: #186288 in linux-source-2.6.22 "no sound on ubuntu 7.10 since installation" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186288
[16:53] <ubotu> New bug: #152647 in xfce4-places-plugin (universe) "xfce4-places crashes after rightclick>unmount a volume 2nd time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152647
[16:54] <calc> Nafallo: not certain what to file against, which was why i was going to ping seb128
[16:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186383 in ubuntu "streaming" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186383
[16:58] <ubotu> New bug: #186382 in compiz (main) "[hardy] gtk window decorator somtimes draws decoration ugly or not at all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186382
[16:59] <Nafallo> calc: just file it somewhere so it doesn't get lost. nautilus or something :-)
[17:29] <CarlFK> UsePAM fell out of hardy's /etc/ssh/sshd_config - where can I see proof, and maybe a reason not to file a bug report?
[17:43] <ubotu> New bug: #152604 in xfce4-places-plugin (universe) "Just mounted a blank dvd-r" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152604
[17:44] <ubotu> New bug: #186397 in predict (universe) "Not a bug , but a request" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186397
[17:48] <ubotu> New bug: #186393 in gpp4 (universe) "Bogus dependency in libgpp4-0 shared library package" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186393
[17:48] <ubotu> New bug: #186394 in update-manager (main) "[Hardy] update-manager shows untranslated strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186394
[17:49] <ubotu> New bug: #186374 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin doesn't start wifi on first config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186374
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #186390 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager's handling of "critically low" battery power could be more user-friendly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186390
[17:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186389 in mono (main) "package libmono-winforms2.0-cil 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186389
[17:57] <ubotu> New bug: #186391 in linux (main) "Mouse pointer hangs when pressing more then one key on the keyboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186391
[17:58] <ubotu> New bug: #186385 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "Firefox 3.0 renders pages slowly at 100% CPU and is unresponsive as it does so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186385
[17:58] <ubotu> New bug: #186388 in harbour (universe) "Harbour free Clipper compiler upgrade needed " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186388
[17:59] <ubotu> New bug: #186399 in dspam (universe) "Please sync dspam 3.6.8-6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186399
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #186398 in eog (main) "EOG locks on request for print output or setup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186398
[18:01] <ubotu> New bug: #186395 in alsa-driver (main) "snd-ymfpci: Default setup leaves gameport disabled on Yamaha sound card (+ solution)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186395
[18:05] <ubotu> New bug: #186400 in postgrey (universe) "Please sync postgrey 1.31-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186400
[18:14] <ubotu> New bug: #186258 in ubuntu "Blue Quartz Cent OS log in issues with Ubuntu 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186258
[18:14] <Nafallo> ehrm
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #186384 in ubuntu "Amarok does not autodetect devices when upgraded to KDE4 repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186384
[18:24] <ubotu> New bug: #186402 in openssh (main) "UsePAM no longer in sshd_config" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186402
[18:27] <ubotu> New bug: #186403 in update-manager (main) "upgrade failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186403
[18:54] <ubotu> New bug: #186411 in ubuntu "Connection dies occasionally" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186411
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #186408 in evolution (main) "Contacts missing after deletion of one contact" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186408
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #186409 in meta-kde (main) "can't open kde control module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186409
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #186410 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfilldatabase crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186410
[18:59] <ubotu> New bug: #186412 in grub (main) "update-grub does not write anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186412
[18:59] <ubotu> New bug: #186413 in ubuntu "Please package frei0r" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186413
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #186414 in restricted-manager "lrm-video does not load kernel module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186414
[19:18] <ubotu> New bug: #186415 in firefox (main) "mozilla firefox crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186415
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186416 in gdm (main) "Gdm / Ati crash Problem (debian version backup) will not accept '/' in password  so I can't log reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186416
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186417 in pidgin (main) "Can't hear sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186417
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186418 in gnucash (universe) "gnucash-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_slice_alloc()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186418
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186420 in banshee (universe) "[hardy] banshee should depend on libtaglib2.0-cli" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186420
[19:38] <ubotu> New bug: #186423 in compiz (main) "Wobbly windows shiver when dragging to another workspace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186423
[19:39] <ubotu> New bug: #186421 in pywavelets (universe) "Segmentation fault when printing wavelet object" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186421
[19:53] <ubotu> New bug: #186425 in ubuntu "needs-packaging: clutch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186425
[20:14] <ubotu> New bug: #186427 in flpsed (universe) "flpsed is not working on my version of ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186427
[20:14] <ubotu> New bug: #186428 in miro (universe) "miro miro-data always removed with apt-get autoremove" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186428
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #186430 in openoffice.org (main) "Changing a background in Impress" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186430
[21:24] <ubotu> New bug: #186433 in mono (main) "package libmono-winforms1.0-cil 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186433
[21:51] <ubotu> New bug: #186434 in k3b (main) "K3B cannot detect DVD writer on Firewire (Sony DVD RW DRU-710A)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186434
[21:53] <ubotu> New bug: #186436 in firefox (main) "E:-cache->()failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186436
[22:00] <mcisbackuk> I'm having a problem with a USB interface - my Sony Ericsson phone, every time I copy files to it, and unmount/eject the volume, it sits there saying its writing the copied files to it, but it never finishes....any ideas?
[22:00] <mcisbackuk> Btw Hi everyone!
[22:07] <mcisbackuk> Anyone?
[22:22] <ubotu> New bug: #186444 in nautilus (main) "Nautilus persistently segfauls when default icon size set over 100%" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186444
[22:23] <ubotu> New bug: #186440 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox don't play: It says "Could not establish connection to sound server"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186440
[22:23] <ubotu> New bug: #186441 in nautilus (main) "[Hardy] Recursive directory deletion doesnt work for external mounted drives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186441
[22:23] <ubotu> New bug: #186443 in brasero (main) "New upstream version: 0.7.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186443
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #186445 in gedit (main) "gedit depends on old version of libgtksourceview" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186445
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186448 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Firefox/Thunderbird Preferences Window too short" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186448
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #186449 in synaptic (main) ""Mark all Upgrades" should be grayed out if there are no upgrades" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186449
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #186451 in rkward (universe) "No menu icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186451
[22:58] <ubotu> New bug: #186452 in ktorrent (main) "[interdiff] ktorrent 2.2.5 available" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186452
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #186453 in ubuntu "Apple USB keyboard causes crash during boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186453
[23:11] <ubotu> New bug: #186454 in upgrade-system (universe) "Problem upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186454
[23:19] <ubotu> New bug: #186455 in avarice (universe) "avarice.rules does not list AVR-Dragon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186455
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186457 in a2mp3 (universe) "[unmet-deps] a2mp3" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186457
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186458 in kde-guidance (main) "guidance-powermanager shows duplicate batteries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186458
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #186462 in anon-proxy (universe) "Please sync anon-proxy 00.05.38+20080123-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186462
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186461 in gvfs "gvfs painfully slow over smb (samba)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186461
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #186463 in hardinfo (universe) "Commas and dots mixed up in benchmarks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186463
[23:36] <ubotu> New bug: #186464 in ubuntu "Gnome-panel crashes when using Compiz-fusion desktop switcher " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186464
[23:43] <ubotu> New bug: #186469 in wengophone (universe) "Wengophone Constantly Hangs Up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186469