[04:13] <miturburu> histo: thanks
[04:14] <coffee1> hello my ubuntu followers
[04:14] <pabix> hello coffee1
[04:16] <amen51> harpreet, it seems that they only have windows drivers (no surprise)
[04:16] <amen51> harpreet, and mac osx
[04:17] <maxrogers> man, I am getting so frustrated! I am trying to get two network cards working properly connecting to two separate networks. Anyone that can help me accomplish this?
[04:17] <nownot> for my pptp vpn i can connect, i get addy <IP_ADDRESS> with router <IP_ADDRESS>. but i cant ping <IP_ADDRESS>, so my traffic isnt even getting to ppp0 port. any ideas on how to fix this?
[04:18] <maxrogers> :-D "help"
[04:19] <maxrogers> I have made some changes in /etc/network/interfaces that I can pastebin... anyone?
[04:19]  * L linux QQ ?linux PP? Xchat
[04:22] <amen51> hi again, is there howto for getting a sony dvd handycam to work in ubuntu?
[04:22] <Mr_Bunny_> Why doesn't firestarter allow me to edit policies? The buttons are greyed out.
[04:24] <boho103> hey I need
[04:24] <boho103> some help :[
[04:24] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: what's your problem?
[04:25] <boho103> okay well
[04:25] <boho103> whenever I use a wine application
[04:25] <boho103> that requires 3d graphics
[04:26] <boho103> my screen
[04:26] <boho103> basically
[04:26] <boho103> splits in two
[04:26] <boho103> and i got mirror images
[04:26] <boho103> and my text is illegible
[04:26] <boho103> and all the pixels are scrambled
[04:26] <boho103> and I have to restart
[04:26] <boho103> I have compiz disabled and visual effects off
[04:26] <tritium> !enter | boho103
[04:26] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: weird - what graphics card are you running, and have you tried ctrl-alt-backspace instead of a hard reboot?
[04:27] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: disabling effects is a good starting point
[04:27] <boho103> hmm haven't tried ctrl alt backspace
[04:27] <boho103> oh sorry
[04:27] <anacaona> good evening. does anyone know if there's a GUI motd-type software for ubuntu?
[04:28] <ethana2>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[04:28] <ethana2>    45 root      15  -5     0    0    0 R 41.5  0.0   1262:10 kacpi_notify
[04:28] <boho103> I am using an ATI Radeon x1400, and I haven't tried the backspace thing, what does that do?
[04:28] <ethana2> please help
[04:28] <ethana2> blast, it messed up the formatting
[04:28] <dabud> hi all    i am running ubuntu 8.04  and the other day my [ps/2]kybrd quit i plugged a usb kybrd in and it worked, but every once in a while i get strange things happening   [like a row of '7''s   i can't delete]     any idea where i shud start looking to solve this problem?    both kybrds r  Logitech   the newer one[plain jane] was the one that quit,  the one i am using now [multimedia type] acts strange eer once in a while
[04:29] <ethana2> dabud: that can happen if the software goes unrepsonsive
[04:29] <ethana2> dabud: what's the cpu usage like when that occurs?
[04:29] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: the ctrl-alt-backspace key combo restarts the x server
[04:29] <dabud> is my kybrd shot?
[04:29] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: meaning it reloads the graphical interface
[04:29] <boho103> should I try that right now Mr Bunny?
[04:29] <ethana2> dabud: we'll find out, what the cpu usage when that happens?
[04:30] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: not if your display isn't glitching, no
[04:30] <ethana2> gahh, kacpi_notify is eating my power again
[04:30] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: have you enabled restricted drivers for your card?
[04:30] <ethana2> 50% of the time while running, my pc is nigh worthless
[04:30] <dabud> i wud have to check that  but i think it shud be ok   this is a core 2 duo machine with 4 gb ram  and i am only running 2 programs on it
[04:30] <ethana2> I went to remove all that acpi stuff, but it's a dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <ethana2> dabud: race conditions are what I'm thinking
[04:30] <boho103> MR BUNNY: yeah I have enabled restricted drivers, I didn't have this problem until the 8.6 catalyst drivers
[04:31] <dabud> ethana2   wot is race conditions?
[04:31] <greg__> anyone know of a good limewire clone for linux? Thanks
[04:31] <ethana2> ..anyone?
[04:31] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: well, now we know what to do - roll back your drivers
[04:31] <ethana2> dabud: when something wastes all your power doing nothing at all
[04:31] <Mr_Bunny_> greg__: frostwire - availible in applications > add/remove programs
[04:31] <boho103> Mr Bunny, how do I do that?
[04:31] <ethana2> like my kacpi_notify here
[04:32] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: I don't know, I'll have to do some googling
[04:32] <boho103> Mr Bunny: Alright thanks :D
[04:32] <dabud> ethans2  and how wud i check that out   to see wot is causing it?
[04:32] <ethana2> dabud: just keep an eye on your cpu usage
[04:33] <ethana2> if it spikes when your keyboard does that, it's not your keyboard's fault
[04:33] <boho103> Mr Bunny: I'll be right back xD
[04:33] <ethana2> race conditions still take out dual core cpu's, which makes no sense to me
[04:33] <dabud> whats the accepted program to do that in ubuntu 8.04   please
[04:33] <ethana2> but I have one, it renders it unresponsive
[04:33] <ethana2> even though it only uses one core
[04:34] <lirit> when i run: "unrar e somefile.rar" it will ask for a password. how can i input the password autmatically?
[04:34] <jeremy_> brazzers
[04:34] <boho103> back :D
[04:35] <russ> can anyone tell me how to determine which device is sdb1?
[04:35] <russ> is it my display? keyboard? mouse?
[04:35] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: alright, it looks like there's a newer 8.7 version out, released 8 days ago. since it looks like ubuntu hasn't rolled out the update, you are faced with two immediate options: you can wait for ubuntu to update the drivers, which will have less of a chance of causing problems upon kernel upgrade, or you can install the drivers yourself now, the downside being a kernel upgrade may break them
[04:35] <Mr_Bunny_> russ: it's a file device
[04:35] <christopher> hola
[04:36] <Mr_Bunny_> russ: if it would help you to know which one by knowing the capacity, run df -h
[04:36] <hvgotcodes> has anyone with nvidia graphics optimized xorg.conf?
[04:36] <christopher> necesito ayuda
[04:36] <ethana2> !spanish | christopher
[04:36] <russ> Mr_Bunny_ how can you tell?
[04:36] <Finnish_> What's the easiest way to format SD-memorycard to FAT16-format?
[04:37] <powertool08> russ: hda hdb sdc etc always are hardrives/dvd drives/etc
[04:37] <Belboz99> Hey all, I'm trying to compile a custom driver for Cuda on WINE, but am receiving the following make error, any ideas?
[04:37] <Belboz99> make: *** No rule to make target `cudart.dll.so', needed by `all'.  Stop.
[04:37] <jmatrix1>
[04:38] <dabud> ethana2  i am running under 50%   [approx 25%, 12.5, 12.5 each] with the odd spike up to 30% and memory usage is 582.7 out of a possible 3.0 gb
[04:38] <ethana2> dabud: hmm
[04:38] <russ> Mr_Bunny_, powertool08 thanks! that answers it, I've been asking the same question a couple of times a day for several days on this forum and that's the first reply I've got
[04:38] <Mr_Bunny_> Belboz99: I wouldn't count on getting much wine-specific help here, try #wine
[04:38] <ethana2> dabud: then I don't know what's up
[04:38] <Mr_Bunny_> russ: happy to help
[04:39] <powertool08> Belboz99: #winehq
[04:39] <ethana2> dabud: do you have access to other hkeyboards?
[04:39] <ethana2> keyboards**
[04:39] <Belboz99> Mr_Bunny_: the wine dev's have been Zero help doing anything like this
[04:39] <Belboz99> they always say ask somewhere else
[04:39] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: care to take on another restricted driver challenge?
[04:39] <dabud> ethana2   u mean other as in another brand?
[04:39] <Belboz99> all I need to do is know how to compile this file
[04:39] <russ> My machine is having trouble waking up after going to sleep (I often have that problem myself)
[04:39] <ethana2> dabud: sure
[04:39] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: I can try... go ahead
[04:40] <Belboz99> it's not really anything wine related, my problem that is
[04:40] <mhz128> what software do I use to burn Audio CD's in Ubuntu?
[04:40] <Belboz99> mhz128: Brasareo
[04:40] <dabud> i could probably dig up a MS one   i think i have one around
[04:40] <russ> When I wake it up it reports a bunch of I/O errors to device sdb1, which I now see is my external usb drive
[04:40] <Scorp_> Hey, i'm using a laptop and an external card reader to connect my digi cam's memory card. On connecting to the laptop, there's nothin happening at all.. How do i solve this ??
[04:40] <russ> not sure that's the issue though
[04:40] <Chihork> does anyone know where the startup settings for compiz are stored?  ie. how does ubuntu know to run compiz as the window manager, and with what flags?
[04:40] <mhz128> thanks dude!
[04:40] <dabud> mhz128  i have found k3b  is good
[04:41] <mhz128> cool
[04:41] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: ok, I'm on hardy 8.04.1, ATI radeon 9600xt, ultimate goal: 3d rendering with ati drivers in dual-head big desktop mode and some compiz functions enabled
[04:41] <IndyGunFreak> powertool08: lol.. good luck.
[04:42] <boho103> Mr Bunny: Alright thank you :D
[04:42] <Belboz99> okay, does anyone know how to compile a simple driver here?  I'm not asking anything related to WINE
[04:42] <boho103> Mr Bunny: How do I do a driver upgrade?
[04:42] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: your starting point will be here - http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
[04:42] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: If I install restricted drivers from repo and restart then I have the extended desktop setup at the login screen but with a very low resolution
[04:43] <Belboz99> I just need someone to give me a nudge in the right direction, I have no clue why it's giving me this error, and Google hasn't been much use here
[04:43] <Mr_Bunny_> Belboz99: is there a library you could be missing?
[04:43] <dabud> k   i will keep my eye on cpu usage and try to dig up that other kybrd [MS]   and maybe try to see if kybrd that quit originally will work on other machine  have a gr8 nite all
[04:43] <Scorp_> Hey, i'm using a laptop and an external card reader to connect my digi cam's memory card. On connecting to the laptop, there's nothin happening at all.. How do i solve this ??
[04:43] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: then if I login to my main user, it resets to clone mode every time, if I login to my other user which I rarely use, it keeps the extended desktop but still horrible resolution
[04:43] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: have you tried installing the very latest drivers from amd's site?
[04:43] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: I'll have to poke around for preferences
[04:43] <Belboz99> Mr_Bunny_: that's a good question, I've got the path to the libraries it should be using listed in the Make file
[04:43] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: oh ya, it also doesn't render the background of menus correctly
[04:44] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: and what have you done so far as trying to change the resolution and screen-cloning settings?
[04:44] <ethana2> gyarr, well, I may as well just shut this machine down
[04:44] <Mr_Bunny_> Belboz99: the best I can do is tell you what make's telling you: it doesn't know what to do in order to compile, other than that I don't know enough to help you, sorry
[04:45] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: mainly uninstall purge drivers reinstall, re-run aticonfig
[04:45] <Belboz99> k, thanks Mr_Bunny_
[04:45] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: does changing the resolution in the screen resolution tool do anything for you?
[04:45] <boho103> Mr Bunny: I got the ati driver installer 8.7.run, how do I install it? I double clicked and nothing happened
[04:45] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: have you tried with different monitors?
[04:46] <Belboz99> Mr_Bunny_: do any of the libs, spec's, headers, or c files need to be executable to be compiled?
[04:46] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: I only have two at my disposal :/
[04:46] <Scorp_> Hey, can someone help me with the Card Reader ?? I need to copy my photographs to my PC..
[04:46] <Mr_Bunny_> Belboz99: I wouldn't think so, but I have no clue.
[04:47] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: go to applications>accessories, and open terminal
[04:47] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: what directory did you save the drivers in?
[04:47] <boho103> Mr Bunny: They are on the desktop, should I cd to it?
[04:47] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: what problems are you encountering
[04:47] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: the screen resolution after login is ok, but it doesn't render menu backgrounds and various other things correctly
[04:47] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: yes, then run it with ./[driver file name]
[04:48] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: does it do so correctly on the lesser-used logon?
[04:48] <boho103> Mr Bunny: It said permission denied, I tried sudo and it didn't work : /
[04:48] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: Its basically that no action is happening when i connect the card reader... Is it not plug and play???
[04:49] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: the rendering issue is on both users, but the reset to clone only exists on primary user
[04:49] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: what type of card reader is it? in that I mean how does it connect to your computer, and what brand is it?
[04:49] <jack> any packagessubuntu.com admin around?
[04:49] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: Its a Tech-com card reader which works on USB 2.0
[04:49] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: the only thing I could think to recommend is manually installing the latest drivers
[04:50] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: have you googled for instructions on it? to help you with this that's what I'd be doing anyway...
[04:50] <boho103> Mr Bunny: It said permission denied, I tried sudo and it didn't work : /
[04:50] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: I tried, cudnt find any instructions... are they there ???
[04:50] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: *cough* https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_cat87-inst.html
[04:50] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: ok, I will try that, do you the command to open the catalyst control center?
[04:51] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: I don't know, I guess I'll look. any model numbers you can give me?
[04:51] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: I used to run an onboard ati, but now I'm running nvidia (but wanting at :\) so I don't know
[04:51] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: Its a generic stuf.. not really a big brand..
[04:51] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: ok, thanks for you help
[04:51] <Mr_Bunny_> you could ls /usr/bin/ati* or something to see if you can find anything
[04:51] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: or try to guess with tab-complete in terminal
[04:52] <electrofreak> is JFS a stable file system??
[04:52] <tarelerulz> I have been using nautilus a lot.  Is there something for gnome that file manger that has tabing like Konqueror ?
[04:52] <Mr_Bunny_> tarelerulz: pcman
[04:52] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: tried autocomplete, /usr/bin/ati doesn't exist. Maybe I will find it after the manual install :)
[04:53] <sn9> electrofreak: is for me
[04:53] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: should I uninstall restricted drivers first or install over them?
[04:53] <boho103> Mr Bunny: I looked there and it said to do the same thing, and it says to do the same thing you said, except I still get permission denied  : /
[04:54] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: either I'm reading this wrong, or they only have drivers for windows 98: http://www.techcomindia.com/home.php?vaction=download
[04:54] <Mr_Bunny_> powertools08: I was suggesting wildcard to see if you can find any command that looks like it
[04:54] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: Yeah, cuz after that it works plug and play... ;)
[04:55] <jackripper> hi
[04:55] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: and iirc you should uninstall the existing drivers and maybe even pull a ctrl-alt-backspace to restart the x server before installing the new ones manually
[04:55] <spiritssight> Is there a beta release with desktop installed for 8.10 or is it just the command line type screen?
[04:55] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: I know, but /usr/bin/at <tab> doesn't show anything ati related
[04:55] <powertool08> Mr_Bunny_: ok, will do
[04:56] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: have you checked to make sure the usb port you're plugging it into is working correctly? what version of ubuntu are you running?
[04:56] <Mr_Bunny_> powertool08: ultimately ati's guide is to be followed
[04:56] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: I'm running Hardy heron.. How do i check if the usb is workin ?? One thing is that the Tech-com thing is geting power.. What else do i check ??
[04:56] <boho103> Mr. Bunny: Nevermind I got it xD, needed to put sudo sh ./.....
[04:56] <Superking> How can I restore my audio settings to the default settings without a clean install?
[04:57] <Mr_Bunny_> boho103: ah, it was a shell script
[04:57] <coffee1> cuil search for 'ubuntu' => 21,000,000 results.  google search for 'ubuntu' => 90,000,000 results.   I havent slept in days and i really am lost.
[04:58] <coffee1> that sounds more like it
[04:58] <coffee1> cuil really f***ed that PR attempt up
[04:58] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: USB is working cuz i can connect my printer to it. But the USB Card Reader is not getting recognized on ubuntu.
[04:59] <Mr_Bunny_> Superking: would you be comfortable using terminal, or would you like a graphical way to do this?
[04:59] <Superking> im good with either.
[04:59] <Superking> I just want the sound mixer to work, and my mic to work :/
[04:59] <glitsj16> spiritssight: it's not in beta yet, but you can get the 8.10 alpha 3 cd image at http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1601
[05:00] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: I don't know what to tell you - my card reader works - and it's plug and play, and I don't see any drivers or tutorials. sorry...
[05:00] <Mr_Bunny_> Superking: mv .pulse pulse_old
[05:00] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: When u connect the card reader, what happens next ?? does it mount to /media or something else ??
[05:00] <roe_> intrepid ibex is going to be released in october?
[05:00] <Mr_Bunny_> Superking: what sound card are you running?
[05:01] <Superking> oi, i know its a Realtek HD Soundcard, on an Intel chipset. I know thats not specific but thats all i know :/
[05:01] <SeveredCross> roe_: Yes, it's 8.10, it's probably coming out in October, between the 14th and 21st or so.
[05:01] <Mr_Bunny_> Scorp_: I don't have a card here to test it with at the moment but iirc the slot shows up under Nautilus' "computer" view, and it pops up just like a usb flash drive would
[05:01] <glitsj16> roe: yes that's the target date
[05:01] <roe_> wow, I feel like all bugs were just gettng worked out of hardy
[05:02] <Scorp_> Mr_Bunny_: Ok.. I'll see what i can do. Thanks..
[05:02] <m0u5e> does anyone know how to activate track changes / revisions for open office?
[05:04] <Mr_Bunny_> Superking: I can't seem to find how to list installed drivers at this point... I'd be inclined to assume it's a problem with the driver, but I have no way of knowing
[05:04] <Mr_Bunny_> Superking: are there any restricted drivers for it you could enable?
[05:04] <m0u5e> is there an openoffice channel i can go to?
[05:04] <tarelerulz> I am wanting to try out a new file manger and I am wondering how would I make it my default ?
[05:04] <hkittysmoothie> I can't get any sound in Hardy to play unless I unplug and re-plug in the cord, at which point it repeats about a quarter-second of sound over and over again. How do I fix this?
[05:05] <Superking> unfortunately not. Its weird, because Skype was working but it works on and off, and its because another program tries to access sounds
[05:05] <Superking> oh well
[05:05] <Jadewolf> anyone know why my system isn't using dns servers in resolv.conf?
[05:05] <SuperLag> m0u5e: #openoffice.org
[05:05] <m0u5e> SuperLag: ty
[05:06] <SuperLag> m0u5e: you're welcome
[05:06] <Mr_Bunny_> Superking: well if it works sometimes, that might be because some apps don't play nice with pulseaudio - try running programs with pasuspender in front of the command, or restarting your x server with ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:06] <clp> Hello
[05:06] <Superking> mk.
[05:06] <Mr_Bunny_> hkittysmoothie: what wire do you have to unplug and replug? what audio interface are you using?
[05:06] <clp> Who can tell me the irc channel of DjangoProject?
[05:07] <sn9> Jadewolf: can it connect to them?
[05:07] <hkittysmoothie> Mr_Bunny_: I have to unplug the audio cable that goes to my speakers, and I'm using pulseaudio
[05:07] <Jadewolf> sn9: I just rebooted the laptop let me see once its back up , I could ping my outside IPs and my internal Ips though
[05:08] <Bogus8> ok, sudo is acting odd and I can't figure it out... on my old (etchy) debian system in my sudoers I have the line "bogus        ALL= NOPASSWD:  ALL"  and this allows me to use sudo without being prompted for the password... I attempt this on ubuntu and it doesn't work???
[05:08] <Mr_Bunny_> hkittysmoothie: so you're just using standard audio jacks? that sounds really weird...
[05:08] <sn9> clp: #django
[05:09] <hkittysmoothie> I can't get any sound in Hardy to play unless I unplug and re-plug in the cord, at which point it repeats about a quarter-second of sound over and over again. How do I fix this?
[05:09] <sn9> hkittysmoothie: does it work without pulse?
[05:09] <Jadewolf> sn9: yes it pings the DNS ips fine.
[05:10] <hkittysmoothie> sn9, what should I use in place of pulseaudio
[05:10] <Jadewolf> snd9: I had to manually config this NIC, it didn't even have a /etc/resolv.conf files till Imade one
[05:10] <sn9> Jadewolf: is it possible they simply don't respond to dns?
[05:10] <dcolish> bogus8: try ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL
[05:10] <Bogus8> dcolish: tried that... could the spacings/tabs be an issue?
[05:10] <Jadewolf> its the same servers I'm using on this system I'm on with you right now
[05:11] <sn9> hkittysmoothie: nothing
[05:11] <dcolish> but you shouldn't be doing that really
[05:11] <dcolish> make sure you have tty on the system
[05:11] <cratel> just switched to Hardy (32 bit) and MacBook. All is OK except it takes about 30 sec at least to wake up from suspend. I did some googling but haven't turned up a solution. Tried all sorts of settings in /etc/defaults/acpi.conf but nothing is making a difference.
[05:11] <Bogus8> dcolish: it's a personal box... so it's not a real security risk
[05:11] <Jadewolf> sn9: its the same servers I'm using on this system I'm on with you right now
[05:11] <hkittysmoothie> sn9, it seems that "nothing" isn't an option. My choices are OSS, ALSA, Autodetect, and Pulesaudio
[05:11] <Jadewolf> sn9: So I'm pretty sure they do DNSing
[05:11] <Bogus8> dcolish: how do you mean tty?
[05:12] <sn9> hkittysmoothie: oh, you mean for gstreamer. try alsa
[05:12] <dcolish> bogus8: when you login you create a tty session, by default you can't use the passwordless sudo without it
[05:13] <ManualOverDozer8> has anyone used the application Discover on hardy ? does it detect hardware correctly? does it mess with  the boot process at all ?
[05:13] <dcolish> with ssh this is an issue, but not on a desktop
[05:13] <glitsj16> hkittysmoothie: have you re-checked your pulseaudio configuration ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4928900 gives a nice overview if you haven't seen that already
[05:13] <Bogus8> dcolish: ok... when I make changes I "duplicate" my putty session to start a new session to make sure everything is "fresh"
[05:13] <hkittysmoothie> sn9, after switching to alsa, it now makes a different repeating noise
[05:13] <sn9> hkittysmoothie: ok, that's a kernel issue
[05:14] <sn9> hkittysmoothie: you have unhandled irq's
[05:14] <dcolish> bogus8: are you sure the line is         bogus      ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL
[05:15] <bruno> bonjour
[05:15] <hkittysmoothie> sn9, could this have to do with me recently booting with the "noapic" parameter?
[05:15] <dcolish> notices the (ALL) is differen from the syntax earlier
[05:15] <sn9> hkittysmoothie: definitely
[05:15] <Bogus8> dcolish: I've had it both ways... would the spacing have anything to do with it?
[05:15] <dcolish> nope
[05:15] <hkittysmoothie> sn9, I'll try booting without that parameter
[05:15] <Bogus8> dcolish: yeah, I actually just changed it back from the (ALL) because my debian box doesn't have (ALL)
[05:16] <sn9> Jadewolf: do weird things appear in dmesg when dns queries are issued?
[05:16] <Chihork> where does ubuntu keep the startup settings for the window manager?  I'd like to add some flags to start compiz with.
[05:17] <dcolish> bogus8: try droping the space after NOPASSWD:
[05:17] <dcolish> it should be NOPASSWD:ALL
[05:17] <Bogus8> dcolish: your way (ALL) or mine? or both?
[05:17] <dcolish> the correct syn is  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[05:17] <dcolish> as per every other time i've set it up
[05:18] <Bogus8> dcolish: I shall try... man I HATE vim... is there a way to make it act like my debian's visudo (using nano)?
[05:18] <dcolish> not sure, I love vim :)
[05:18] <Flannel> Bogus8: export EDITOR=nano
[05:19] <mrwoody> Hi *. If I run 2 Xorg (:1 and :2) would the system use my graphic card memory or just the RAM for that?
[05:19] <Flannel> Bogus8: and set edit to nano with update-alternatives
[05:19] <Bogus8> dcolish: bleh :p I've tried a couple times... I'm fighting my way into using emacs now
[05:19] <dcolish> emacs is an operating system not an editor
[05:19] <Bogus8> Flannel: Ok, I shall try to figure all that out very soon
[05:19] <dcolish> a vim cheatsheet is the way to go, you'll get it in no time
[05:20] <Bogus8> dcolish: vim is russian not an editor :p
[05:20] <dcolish> ha
[05:20] <zingy> any1 familiar w/ wine doors?
[05:21] <D1> hiiiiiiiiiii
[05:21] <dcolish> as Flannel said, you could probably set your editor to emacs as well
[05:21] <Bogus8> dcolish: still asking for the password it's set to "bogus        ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL"
[05:21] <dcolish> you're using sudo right
[05:22] <VampsFedora> hey hasting
[05:22] <Bogus8> dcolish: yep :)
[05:22] <dcolish> Bogus8: sorry had to ask
[05:22] <Bogus8> dcolish: I've done this several times on other boxes (all debian)
[05:22] <matthias_N> hi i can not play anutyhing on youtube even if i install the missing plugin it still complains that puginns is missing ...
[05:22] <sn9> Bogus8: are you actually logged in as "bogus" there?
[05:23] <bullgard4> IBM_4690_Operating_System_Messages_Guide_Version 5.2 defines 'panel' as "The complete set of formatted information that appears in a single display on a visual display unit." This seems to me a rather rare use of the word 'panel' in Ubuntu. Do you agree or did I overlook something?
[05:23] <Bogus8> sn9: yep.. only log in on the system (besides root)
[05:23] <matthias_N> any ideas
[05:23] <dcolish> does echo $SSH_TTY return anything?
[05:23] <litius> ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
[05:24] <litius> hardy heron
[05:24] <Bogus8> dcolish: /dev/pts/3
[05:24] <litius> 2.6.24-19-generic
[05:24] <sn9> litius: bad sata cable, most likely
[05:24] <demasrv> I need help, I compiled a new kernel and I'm not sure how to use grub to boot it
[05:25] <litius> cable - really?
[05:25] <glitsj16> matthias_N: which plugin did you install exactly ?
[05:25] <litius> that would be kuel...
[05:25] <litius> cause launchpad says HD
[05:25] <litius> but I know HD is good
[05:25] <litius> so.. just tweak the cable
[05:25] <litius> ?
[05:25] <altair> I'm having issues installing ubuntu. When I boot from the live cd and select the first option (start/install) I get a loading screen, then a pretty screen with lots of colors.. so it's a graphics problem. So I boot into graphics safe mode and get a dialog box that says it can't run some feautres, so I click continue and I'm left with a black screen with a dot on it (in the top lefthand corner)... any ideas?
[05:25] <litius> it has started only today
[05:25] <Bogus8> litius: or swap it
[05:26] <litius> Bogus8, thx - you mean change the cable?
[05:26] <Bogus8> litius: yeah
[05:26] <demasrv> altair: you could try booting it with like init=2, but I'm not completely sure if that would work
[05:26] <matthias_N> adobe
[05:26] <Bogus8> altair: have you tried that NOAPIC options?  it's in the boot menu stuff
[05:26] <matthias_N> glitsj16:  adobe
[05:26] <dcolish> Bogus8: not sure what you've got going on there, I just set it up on an extra box I had and it works fine
[05:27] <Bogus8> grrr
[05:27] <matthias_N> glitsj16: installed gnasg and failed installed swdf and works but hangs
[05:27] <sn9> altair: what video card?
[05:27] <Bogus8> dcolish: there is no service I have to restart right?
[05:27] <dcolish> not that I am aware of
[05:27] <bleh> How can i disable the effects in ubuntu just installed, i don't see compiz installed or anything.
[05:27] <Chihork> bullgard4: don'tchya hate it when people redefine words?
[05:27] <Bogus8> this is hong kong fuey
[05:27] <glitsj16> matthias_N: okay .. you have only the one from adobe active in firefox right now ?
[05:28] <matthias_N> okey tried but not workinmg ...
[05:28] <litius> ok - will try - thanks guys.
[05:28] <litius>  sudo smartctl -s on -H /dev/sda1 gives "[05:28] <litius> and "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda1 | grep Load_Cycle_Count" gives "193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   253   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0"
[05:28] <sn9> bleh: compiz is installed by default. system->prefs->appearance->visual effects
[05:28] <litius> that is why I wasn't sure what it was
[05:28] <litius> thought kernel at first
[05:28] <altair> ok idk the video card, it's a Dell Inspiron 2600 laptop, with the default card. I haven't tried init=2 or NOAPIC options, dunno how..
[05:28] <demasrv> can anyone here help me with configuring grub so that I can boot a kernel I just compiled?
[05:28] <litius> any other ideas if not cable?
[05:28] <Bogus8> dcolish: when you did yours did you type tabs or anything?  I'm grasping at straws here but something has to be different
[05:28] <mrwoody> Hi *. If I run 2 Xorg (:1 and :2) would the system use my graphic card memory or just the RAM for that?
[05:28] <bleh> thx sn9
[05:29] <bullgard4> Chihork: Yes, I do.
[05:29] <dcolish> Bogus8: I did use tabs rather than spaces
[05:29] <bullgard4> Chihork: But who was first here?
[05:29] <bleh> is 2.6.24-19-generic the latest kernel ?
[05:29] <sn9> altair: is that older than 7 years?
[05:29] <Bogus8> dcolish: which I have... so username <tab> then the rest or did you have any other tabs?
[05:30] <altair> hmmm... possibly, or close to it
[05:30] <litius> its the one that came with Hardy
[05:30] <Bogus8> dcolish: I'm gonna duplicate EXACTLY if I can ;)
[05:30] <litius> (bleh)
[05:30] <someone> demasrv: the configuration file for grub is at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:30] <sn9> altair: check the dell website for a bios update
[05:30] <bleh> yes litius
[05:30] <dcolish> Bogus8: bogus<TAB>ALL=(ALL)<TAB>NOPASSWD:ALL
[05:30] <litius> bleh, "its the one that came with Hardy"
[05:30] <Bogus8> dcolish: ok, I will do exactly that
[05:30] <altair> sn9: alright... I'll check
[05:31] <bleh> litius, any easy tuts to upgrade this?
[05:31] <Bogus8> dcolish: BAH! no good :(
[05:31] <Bogus8> very frustrating
[05:31] <litius> I found many occurrences with this and 2.6.23 kernel for the same exception..
[05:32] <litius> I can upgrade the kernel, but before I need to know it is causing a problem :)
[05:32] <demasrv> someone:  I've modified menu.lst, but I don't know what to change in it to boot my new kernel
[05:32] <Chihork> bullgard4: we could argue all night long about who was here first, who claimed what definition to which word.
[05:32] <dcolish> Bogus8: are you adding this at the very end? if you're a member of a group that does not have nopasswd that will override your efforts
[05:32] <Chihork> but I must be off to sleep.
[05:32] <sn9> litius: unlikely
[05:32] <demasrv> I tried running update-grub, but it isn't changing anything in my menu.lst even though its saying it is
[05:32] <dcolish> line order matters
[05:32] <Bogus8> dcolish: true... there is a line after %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:32] <Bogus8> but that SHOULDN'T apply to me
[05:32]  * nickrud claims the eastern orthodox iconic movement had earlier use of 'panel'
[05:33] <dcolish> put that line last
[05:33] <bleh> 2.6.26 is the latest tho
[05:33] <dcolish> the one for you
[05:33] <ManualOverDozer8> apt-get clean      does ? i can guess but i want to make sure
[05:33] <cbxrahl_> hey i am trying to save a file and it wont let me, i am not the owner how do i provide the authorization
[05:33] <dcolish> also try getent groups bogus
[05:33] <Bogus8> dcolish: doing that now
[05:33] <Bogus8> what is that?
[05:33] <dcolish> that will tell you if you're in that group
[05:33] <Iron_Chef> hey a quick 'new to ubuntu' question - how do i install .deb files?  (from an rpm background)
[05:33] <Bogus8> ok
[05:33] <Chihork> nickrud: :-0
[05:33] <litius> bleh, do you think it make sense to update?
[05:33] <dcolish> Bogus8: its going to give you the groups you're a member of
[05:33] <ManualOverDozer8> you can covert rpm files to deb
[05:33] <sn9> bleh: 8.04 has 2.6.24, 8.10 has 2.6.26
[05:33] <litius> bleh, ( I am using that box for mythbuntu )
[05:33] <nickrud> cbxrahl_ if you're trying to edit a file outside your $HOME, you need to start with privs.  gksu gedit <file> in a terminal
[05:34] <Bogus8> dcolish: as I should gilligan:x:1000:
[05:34] <Bogus8> bogus gilligan same same ;)
[05:34] <Iron_Chef> ManualOverDozer8, i've heard that, but i have .deb files to install
[05:34] <sn9> Iron_Chef: dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:34] <Iron_Chef> thanks
[05:34] <nickrud> !alien
[05:34] <Bogus8> dcolish: BUT, putting it at the end was the trick
[05:34] <ManualOverDozer8> iron_Chef you can click on them and open them with gDebi to install the packages
[05:34] <bleh> Yes i have 8.04, i just want to get latest kernel.
[05:34] <Iron_Chef> even easier :-)
[05:34] <dcolish> Bogus8: there is an override somewhere in the visudo file
[05:35] <Bogus8> dcolish: odd that that %admin group was the issue... no understanding of that
[05:35] <Bogus8> only that ONE line after my users line :/
[05:35] <dcolish> Bogus8: you can use getent passwd bogus too
[05:35] <Flannel> bleh: Latest kernel for Hardy is .24
[05:35] <dcolish> that might be helpful
[05:35] <ManualOverDozer8> better yet, best not to convert RPM to DEB, ubottu wouldnt say that for nothing
[05:35] <bleh> Flannel, so no point to upgrade?
[05:36] <Bogus8> dcolish: basically it's a cleaner way to look at the passwd file it seems
[05:36] <demasrv> bleh: you could try compiling your own custom kernel but its difficult
[05:36] <dcolish> Bogus8: correct
[05:36] <ManualOverDozer8> Iron_Chef DEB files are nice for new users
[05:36] <dcolish> must safer too
[05:36] <someone> demasrv: Near the bottom of the menu.lst file you should see lots of sections that begin with the line "title Linux" and end with the line "boot"
[05:36] <Bogus8> dcolish: so for educational purposes, why did that %admin line fuck me all up?
[05:36] <Flannel> bleh: Just stick with the Hardy kernel, yeah.
[05:36] <ice109> can someone tell me why in the world i can get onto irc but can't get browse the internet
[05:36] <nickrud> !language | Bogus8
[05:37] <ice109> i think it might have something to do with my computer and not my router
[05:37] <michael_> hello, anyone help me, every time i want to quit my ubuntu by click the quit button, the x windows will freeze, what can i do?
[05:37] <sn9> bleh: 2.6.24-19 is current, 2.6.24-20 is next week
[05:37] <dcolish> Bogus8: the line order is important in visudo, so you must be a member of admin somehow
[05:37] <someone> demasrv: You'll see one of the lines starts with the word "kernel" this line tells what kernel to boot if this section was picked at in the boot menu.
[05:37] <Bogus8> nickrud: appologies
[05:37] <nickrud> Bogus8 a bummer, ubottu is seriously lagged or dead
[05:37] <michael_> ice109: are you set the dns server?
[05:37] <ice109> michael_ what do you mean?
[05:37] <Bogus8> dcolish: that's kind of scary... Oh, you know what... that's probably the way ubuntu gets you into root as I never was told to define a pssword for it
[05:38] <demasrv> title		Ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.26-ultimate
[05:38] <demasrv> root		(hd0,4)
[05:38] <demasrv> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-ultimate
[05:38] <Iron_Chef> ManualOverDozer8, ubottu i meant *I'm* from an rpm background :-)
[05:38] <sn9> Bogus8: because you're in the admin group?
[05:38] <Iron_Chef> not the packages
[05:38] <bleh> What is the best way to get the new image
[05:38] <demasrv> is that correct?
[05:38] <ice109> michael_ how do i do that
[05:38] <da> ...
[05:38] <da> ...
[05:38] <michael_> ice109: you need to set the dns sever, which will reslove your url to ip address
[05:38] <ManualOverDozer8> Iron_Chef i am not from old-school linux so RPM's are foreign to me
[05:38] <someone> demasrv: Yeah You can copy the entire section and make a new option for your new kernel.
[05:38] <Bogus8> sn9: yeah, I didn't think I would be as I wouldn't the a regular user would be jammed in there but since this is the user that the install created I guess it figured I would have to be to get anywhere after setting up the box ;)
[05:38] <michael_> ice109: you use ubuntu?
[05:38] <ice109> xubuntu but close enough
[05:38] <ManualOverDozer8> Iron_Chef i know they are there but i never used them
[05:38] <Iron_Chef> ManualOverDozer8, heh I'm from C++ days even ;-)
[05:39] <JorgeAlvare1> Hi, does anyone know of any programas that can recover deleted files, I have allreadu tried foremost and it didn;t find what i wanted
[05:39] <Bogus8> which leads me to ask... why doesn't ubuntu ask you to set a root pass when installing?
[05:39] <Iron_Chef> ManualOverDozer8, rhel and sles use them
[05:39] <nickrud> !root | Bogus8
[05:39] <Flannel> Bogus8: because the root account is locked.
[05:39] <michael_> ice109: at the right top, network setting, find the dns tag
[05:39] <dcolish> Bogus8:  do a getent groups admin
[05:39] <dcolish> you or a group you're in is associated
[05:39] <michael_> ice109: and input your isp's dns server address in it.
[05:39] <dcolish> also try the same for passwd
[05:40] <Bogus8> nickrud: I figured that as soon as I tried to su - and realized I never set the password... was just wondering why ubuntu chose to do it that way
[05:40] <da> ...
[05:40] <ice109> umm i'm connected to a router
[05:40] <Flannel> Bogus8: because sudo allows finer controls over who can do what, etc.
[05:40] <ice109> i don't know if that affects anything
[05:40] <sn9> JorgeAlvare1: your files are gone
[05:40] <nickrud> Bogus8 that link gives some of the rationale. Personally, I like sudo for the 4 letter security it gives me. I've had one encounter with romeo foxtrox all in the wrong terminal ;)
[05:41] <michael_> ice109: of course, dns server is a server on the internet. like httpd is a server. you just to use it.
[05:41] <ice109> ok well then i already have my isp dns servers in my list
[05:41] <ice109> but it still doesn't work
[05:41] <Bogus8> nickrud: lol... I hear ya.. I sudo MOST of the time myself.. just when I initially set up a box there is SO much to do under root
[05:42] <michael_> ice109: you can use nslookup command
[05:42] <Flannel> Bogus8: sudo can do that too
[05:42] <ice109> to do what
[05:42] <Bogus8> Flannel: I guess it forces new users to learn sudo verses just su -
[05:42] <dcolish> Bogus8: just assume root
[05:42] <dcolish> sudo su -l
[05:42] <Flannel> dcolish: No.  sudo -i
[05:42] <nickrud> Bogus8 sudo -i
[05:42] <dospod> is wireless supposed to be iffy with the bcw fwcutter
[05:42] <michael_> ice109: to check can you connect to the dns server.
[05:42] <dcolish> flannel: whats the diff?
[05:43] <Bogus8> yeah, that's what I usually do if I have to do a lot in root... but I try not to get in there much
[05:43] <JorgeAlvare1> sn9, oh well i better be more careful next time, thanks
[05:43] <glitsj16> JorgeAlvare1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery mentions a few other things you might try
[05:43] <ice109> ok how do i do that
[05:43] <ice109> nslookup then what
[05:43] <michael_> ice109: type some address, like www.google.com
[05:43] <itai-michaelson> i'm looking for wine 1.0 , i understand its not in the repos, my question is if i install it from winehq will it get updated when a new stable version comes out?
[05:43] <ice109> and what should i get?
[05:43] <michael_> ice109: can you get the ip address of www.google.com
[05:44] <Bogus8> dcolish: btw, that getent groups didn't work.. says unkown database 'groups'
[05:44] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[05:44] <JorgeAlvare1> thanks glitsj16
[05:44] <michael_> ice109: ip address of google
[05:44] <nickrud> itai-michaelson if the one from ubuntu has a higher release number, it will replace the one from winehq. But winehq is nearly always ahead
[05:44] <ice109> yes i guess that what the print out has given me
[05:44] <dcolish> Bogus8: group
[05:44] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, hardy
[05:44] <ice109> non authoritive answer blah blah blah
[05:44] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: wine 1 is in the repos.
[05:44] <ice109> 5 different ips
[05:44] <Bogus8> Ah, that worked... I thought about it as I typed it
[05:44] <Bogus8> lot of spam tonight
[05:44] <ice109> michael_ so what does that mean
[05:45] <michael_> ice109: maybe the problem on your broswer
[05:45] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-updates/wine  make sure (for this, and a number of other reasons) you have hardy-updates enabled (and hardy-security)
[05:45] <dcolish> flannel: from what I can see sudo su -l and sudo -i are the same
[05:45] <dcolish> both set the login shell
[05:45] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, but apt-cache show gives me :Version: 0.9.59-0ubuntu4:
[05:45] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: you don't have -updates enabled then
[05:45] <ice109> michael_
[05:45] <ice109> ive tried another browser
[05:45] <ice109> doesn't work either
[05:45] <Flannel> dcolish: yes, but one only uses one program, and is shorter.
[05:45] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, let me check
[05:46] <Bogus8> dcolish: btw, it does show me in that group... it all makes sense now (hind sight is 20/20 eh?)
[05:46] <arvind_khadri> ice109, are you able to ping yahoo??
[05:46] <altair> sn9: ok here's the problem... with the bios install... on that laptop I'm currently running a hd install of backtrack2, with no windows... The bios upgrade wants to install to the C drive... so I'm not sure that's an opton.. any other ideas?
[05:46] <ice109> yes
[05:46] <ice109> but look i know something is funny because i can't even access my routers admin address
[05:46] <dcolish> Flannel: is it really that much shorter?
[05:46] <michael_> ice109: that's a big problem. maybe firewall?
[05:46] <dcolish> Bogus8: better with out my typos
[05:46] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, is this not it? :deb-src http://ubuntu.cn99.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted universe multiverse?
[05:46] <arvind_khadri> ice109, ping your default gateway
[05:46] <Flannel> dcolish: Not really, no, but it does use one one program instead of two.
[05:47] <michael_> ice109: try to telnet to the sites by 80 port
[05:47] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: it is.  Have you updated (sudo apt-get update) recently?
[05:47] <ice109> how do i look that up, i think i know it but i want to check
[05:47] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: Oh, that's just deb-src, you need deb too.
[05:47] <Bogus8> dcolish: haha... if I would have thought about how I had to gain root access to start with it might have dawned on me that I MUST be in a sudo group already DOH!
[05:47] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: assuming you want binary debs
[05:47] <arvind_khadri> ice109, ping <IP_ADDRESS> assuming its your default gateway
[05:47] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, i copy the wrong entry from the source.list ,i have deb too
[05:47] <ice109> yea i can ping that
[05:47] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: Have you updated recently then?
[05:47] <ice109> but when i type that into my browser i get nothing
[05:48] <arvind_khadri> !tab | ice109
[05:48] <ice109> err i got a 400 error
[05:48] <dcolish> Bogus8: totally true, I think you are given sudo access by default in ubuntu
[05:48] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, last week...i'll check now
[05:48] <michael_> ice109: i am not very good at firewall. but i think the problem is there.
[05:48]  * nickrud forgot about insults in sudoers :) They should be enabled by default
[05:48] <ice109> everyone else on my network is doing fine
[05:48] <sn9> altair: dell often has an "iflash" option
[05:48] <ice109> its not like its my mac address being block
[05:48] <ice109> but i can't telnet google
[05:48] <ice109> either
[05:48] <michael_> ice109, are you telnet google's 80 ports?
[05:48] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: that particular mirror is about a week behind regular updates as it is.
[05:48] <Bogus8> dcolish: yeah, and I'm not used to that from debian or fedora
[05:49] <arvind_khadri> ice109, hmm ... aren't you able to access any web-page?
[05:49] <sn9> altair: no, wait, that's intel
[05:49] <Bogus8> dcolish: when I used fedora I didn't even mess with sudo as it seemed too complicated ;)
[05:49] <ice109> actually on port 80 i can telnet google
[05:49] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, i see...china is always far behind....
[05:49] <dcolish> Bogus8:
[05:49] <michael_> ice109, and type get after you telnet it.
[05:49] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: no, just that mirror.   rootguide.org and Shanghai Linux Users Group are up to date.
[05:49] <dcolish> Bogus8: sorry, yeah I run the rhel arch a lot and I always use sudo
[05:50] <michael_> ice109,  can you get the html files.
[05:50] <dcolish> Bogus8: it leaves a better record in the secure log
[05:50] <ice109> michael_ : i got a bunch of html code
[05:50] <ice109> yes
[05:50] <ai3gtmc> hi
[05:50] <altair> sn9: you mean as the install file? I don't see that there
[05:50] <ice109> and then connection closed by host
[05:50] <nickrud> dcolish only the first user (from the install) has default sudo
[05:50] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: http://mirror.rootguide.org/ubuntu/ and http://mirrors.shlug.org/ubuntu/ respectively
[05:50] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, rootguide is that in china? i never heard of it, is it fast? i use cn99 cause its fast
[05:50] <michael_> ice109, so i dont know where is the problem
[05:50] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: those three are all 100Mbps
[05:50] <ai3gtmc> how do I mount my windows Devices? I cant see it on places
[05:51] <dcolish> flannel: one + for su is the -p flag
[05:51] <michael_> ice109, it seems that you can get the html file. but you can draw it.
[05:51] <itai-michaelson> Flannel -thank you!
[05:51] <ai3gtmc> I mean windows hard disk
[05:51] <ai3gtmc> ntfs
[05:51] <dcolish> nickrud: very true, would be pretty messy otherwise
[05:51] <Bogus8> dcolish: for me it was just that I was new to linux... it was FC3 ;)
[05:51] <michael_> ice109, maybe you can reinstall your browser.
[05:51] <ice109> michael_ : when i try to access a page the loading bar at the bottom just gets stuck at half way
[05:51] <arvind_khadri> !ntfs | ai3gtmc
[05:52] <ice109> hmm
[05:52] <nickrud> dcolish sorry, from the line you where you mentioned it it seemed you weren't clear on the subject. Sorry 'bout that :)
[05:52] <Bogus8> dcolish: I made myself learn it when I installed debian (obviously not that hard) and have been using it ever since
[05:52] <ai3gtmc> !NTFS-3G
[05:52] <ice109> michael_ : well why can't i access my router's admin page
[05:52] <sn9> altair: do you want to keep the backtrack install?
[05:52] <dcolish> nickrud: no worries
[05:52] <ai3gtmc> thanks
[05:52] <Flannel> dcolish: I believe that'd be -s with sudo
[05:52] <altair> sn9: nope
[05:52] <michael_> ice109, now, your browser cant show a web.
[05:53] <ice109> michael_ the thing is i have another browser
[05:53] <michael_> ice109, cant show any web.
[05:53] <ice109> no
[05:53] <ice109> no web
[05:53] <ice109> even on elinks i get nothing
[05:53] <ice109> it stalls at request sent
[05:53] <michael_> ice109, maybe your router have a access list.
[05:53] <arvind_khadri> ice109, try accessing something from lynx, did you?
[05:54] <ice109> yea
[05:54] <ice109> i get nothing
[05:54] <ice109> it stalls
[05:54] <ice109> arvind_khadri: yes it stalls
[05:54] <arvind_khadri> ice109, then call up your isp...
[05:54] <dcolish> Flannel: and so it does
[05:54] <michael_> ice109, that's a big problem, hehe.
[05:54] <ice109> arvind_khadri: every other computer on the network is fine
[05:54] <error404notfound> anyone used nagios?
[05:54] <dcolish> Flannel:
[05:55] <dcolish> Flannel: habits are hard things to break
[05:55] <michael_> ice109, maybe you can try some plain txt site.
[05:55] <arvind_khadri> ice109, hmm ... might be your card... call ISP once and ask him for a check up :)
[05:55] <Flannel> dcolish: You're welcome to use what you will, but please only recommend sudo in this channel.
[05:55] <ice109> arvind_khadri: in fact i think the only other one that is having problems is an ubuntu computer
[05:55] <michael_> ice109, when i use ie some day ago, the javascript will show me the same thing.
[05:55] <dcolish> Flannel: lets be clear that I suggested sudo su -l
[05:55] <ice109> this is so weird
[05:56] <arvind_khadri> ice109, then your settings aint proper i feel...
[05:56] <dcolish> Flannel: I am pretty sure the net result is the same
[05:56] <ice109> i can use package manager and everything
[05:56] <Flannel> dcolish: right, and in the future, sudo -i would be better.
[05:56] <arvind_khadri> ice109, are you able to download through apt??
[05:56] <ice109> well now i can even access sites
[05:57] <michael_> ice109, yes, now, there's no problem about the network. but the browser.
[05:57] <ice109> but i feel like this is temporary
[05:57] <Bogus8> dcolish: Flannel:  sorry I opened this can of worms :)
[05:57] <dcolish> Flannel: it appears that way, but I dont see why you need to suggest I recommended insecure admin practices
[05:57] <ice109> michael_ what about elinks then
[05:57] <Flannel> dcolish: I don't believe I ever did so.
[05:57] <michael_> ice109, elinks, what?
[05:57] <ice109> elinks is a different browser
[05:58] <dcolish> Flannel: maybe I am missing something, but I am pretty sure you reprimanded me for not suggesting use of sudo
[05:58] <altair> sn9: so what shall I do ?
[05:58] <michael_> ice109, i get it, have you try the lynx?
[05:58] <ice109> yes
[05:58] <ice109> and it didn't work before either
[05:58] <michael_> ice109, try some simple browser without javascript
[05:59] <ice109> elinks is a terminal browser
[05:59] <Flannel> dcolish: channel policy is sudo (because that's Ubuntu policy), sudo su - is better as sudo -i, sudo su is better as sudo -s
[05:59] <ice109> no javascript
[05:59] <michael_> ice109, maybe you should sent a bug report to firefox.
[05:59] <orzo> how's this sound... /etc could be made to be a working copy of a local subversion repository and whenever a package is isntalled it adds its conf files to the repository and then does an update of /etc.  Then you can use svn commands "diff" and "revert" to perform useful things
[05:59] <michael_> ice109, i cant help you anymore. that's all i know. sorry.
[06:00] <Flannel> dcolish: I apologise if it sounded like I was saying you were being unsafe
[06:00] <nickrud> orzo yep, a workable system
[06:00] <Flannel> orzo: Except you double+some up on your space requirements
[06:00] <error404notfound> I am unable to setup my nagios to send emails to me on any other email address then those at @localhost. any comments?
[06:00] <Flannel> orzo: er, triple.  sorry
[06:00] <sn9> altair: if you don't want to keep backtrack, install windows temporarily
[06:01] <michael_> is there anyone here can help me? that every time a click on the quit button of gnome,  it will freeze.
[06:01] <dcolish> Flannel: I agree that both sudo -i and sudo -s are better and my habits have been to use sudo su -l or sudo su -p
[06:01] <altair> sn9: meh alright.. I might have to look into this tomorrow
[06:01] <altair> sn9: thanks for your help
[06:01] <foxjazz> hello anyone there do code?
[06:02] <arvind_khadri> foxjazz, which code??
[06:02]  * nickrud considers 60M as excessive size: nah
[06:02] <ai3gtmc> hmm I just installed xubuntu what apps do you think I should have? I already install flash,java,jedit.
[06:02] <michael_> foxjazz, which code?
[06:02] <foxjazz> you mean which language?
[06:02] <dcolish> ai3gtmc: wicd, rip networkmanager right out
[06:02] <orzo> you could even have a foreign subversion repository and packages would just attempt to use update to the right revision number of that global repository
[06:02] <arvind_khadri> ai3gtmc, depends on what you need ...
[06:02] <itai-michaelson> i have a network share mounting question: i want to mount a windows share permanently , but i have two user on ubuntu, one with admin rights(1000) one without (1001), do i need to create a fstab line for each user?
[06:02] <michael_> foxjazz, yes
[06:02] <ai3gtmc> dcolish: whats wicd?
[06:03] <foxjazz> c#, c++, I could learn perl maybe
[06:03] <nickrud> orzo I did do that once, but have gone back to using rcs for /etc. Easy to use, and easy to backup history
[06:03] <michael_> foxjazz, so what's your problem?
[06:03] <kun-10> hi guys
[06:03] <arvind_khadri> !hi | kun-10
[06:03] <michael_> foxjazz, maybe i can help you on c#.
[06:03] <dcolish> ai3gtmc: wicd is a network connection utility that I prefer over network manager
[06:03] <ai3gtmc> oh wireles.. Im wired. :p
[06:03] <dcolish> ai3gtmc: it works for wired too
[06:03] <ai3gtmc> so it has wired too?
[06:03] <foxjazz> well I went to the ubuntu site, and it's really cryptic to get around the site for developers.
[06:03] <kun-10> how can open file NFTS
[06:03] <kun-10> ?
[06:04] <foxjazz> I am interested in helping with development of open source
[06:04] <ai3gtmc> oh ok so I install it using"sudo apt-get install wicd" ?
[06:04] <arvind_khadri> !ntfs | kun-10
[06:04] <sn9> altair: there is also ReactOS
[06:04] <orzo> i'm building the phython package for gutsy
[06:04] <sn9> dcolish: forget wicd and get n-m v7
[06:04] <orzo> and it is testing every python module
[06:04] <arvind_khadri> foxjazz, then go to #ubuntu-motu
[06:04] <arvind_khadri> !motu | foxjazz
[06:04] <orzo> and it is apparently doing that over and over and over with no end in sight
[06:04] <michael_> foxjazz, maybe you best get some info on the mail-list
[06:04] <mrwoody> Hi *. I have been trying to use an external monitor with my laptop. I can change configuration with nvidia-settings. Is there a way to create a script so that it would be easier to switch?
[06:04] <dcolish> sn9: does it still screw up everything if i use dhcp?
[06:05] <orzo> it does every module in alphabetical order, when i see z i think its about done, but it just repeats back to a
[06:05] <kun-10> the windows partitions is only can found
[06:05] <kun-10> !!
[06:05] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, i just changed to mirror.rootguide updated but still get 0.95.1 as wine's vesrion
[06:05] <ce_oRigiNal> hai
[06:05] <arvind_khadri> kun-10, which language do you speak??
[06:05] <michael_> anyone tell me, why i click on the quit button of ubuntu and it is freeze????????/
[06:05] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: pastebin your sources.list, and the output of sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy wine
[06:05] <bullgard4> IBM_4690_Operating_System_Messages_Guide_Version 5.2 defines 'panel' as "The complete set of formatted information that appears in a single display on a visual display unit." This seems to me a rather rare use of the word 'panel' in Ubuntu. Do you agree or did I overlook something?
[06:05] <kun-10> english
[06:05] <arvind_khadri> !hi | ce_
[06:05] <arvind_khadri> !hi | ce_oRigiNal
[06:06] <kun-10> and arabic
[06:06] <debian_akroyd> evening all
[06:06] <arvind_khadri> !ar | kun-10
[06:06] <kun-10> yep
[06:07] <esac> hi, i want to change the text color on gnome panel to white. i tried a creating a .gtkrc-2.0 as a few sites suggest , uncommented fg[NORMAL] line ,and killall gnome-panel and no luck. any ideas?
[06:07] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, ok, what is the different between apt-cache policy and apt-cache show? the former gives me 1.0 the later 0.95
[06:07] <arvind_khadri> !arabic | kun-10
[06:07] <harisund> Does anybody know why the output of 'uname -i' on a Ubuntu machine is "unknown" while on a RedHat based machine is "x86_64" etc?
[06:07] <nickrud> esac install gnome-color-chooser, it's a nice gui tool to do just that
[06:07] <kun-10> ty
[06:07] <ai3gtmc> how come I can't unmount? it says "bash: unmount: command not found"
[06:07] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: apt-cache show shows you the package you currently have installed.  apt-cache policy shows all available versions in all of your repos (and some other goodies)
[06:07] <arvind_khadri> ai3gtmc, its umount :)
[06:08] <ai3gtmc> oh lol ok thanks
[06:08] <bradtek> unmount command is umount
[06:08] <deadlyallance691> i am kind of a newb to linux and was thinking could i install the ubuntu server 64bit base system then add the dreamlinux repos and install the dreamlinux desktop environment so as to end up with a 64 bit dreamlinux?
[06:08] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, thank you very much, you have solved the mystery (though wine is not installed on this computer...)
[06:08] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: well, assuming you have the package installed, otherwise apt-cache show will show the version that would be installed.
[06:08] <arvind_khadri> harisund, as they have been designed so... :)
[06:09] <debian_akroyd> deadlyallance052, why not just use ubuntu desktop?
[06:09] <Bogus8> you do realize that you guys' own page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo has instructions on how to remove the password prompt for sudo... I got a lot of "I wouldn't recommend it" and it really doesn't say anything about not recommended there... so not sure if someone wants to put a note in there or what... just FYI
[06:09] <roadfish> can I install Ubuntu from the CD iso without actually burning the CD? I mean can I just directly use the image from a Linux paritition?
[06:09] <ai3gtmc> hmm Im getting a "Ignoring /dev/sda1 - already in /etc/fstab" error when I try to use diskmounter
[06:09] <mrwoody> Hi *. I have been trying to use an external monitor with my laptop. I can change configuration with nvidia-settings. Is there a way to create a script so that it would be easier to switch?
[06:09] <arvind_khadri> roadfish, no thats not possible...you can use netboot though
[06:10] <Bogus8> speaking of that page... it says root is locked.. but I was still able to sudo su -... so did that unlock it or is that a special case?
[06:10] <itai-michaelson> Flannel, mmmm...if wine is not insatlled why does show shows me .95 and policy 1.0?
[06:10] <arvind_khadri> !netboot | roadfish
[06:10] <dcolish> Flannel: one curiosity, why include su at all if ubuntu does not approve of its use
[06:10] <roadfish> arvind_khadri: ok, netboot ... thanks
[06:10] <Flannel> Bogus8: there used to be
[06:10] <arvind_khadri> roadfish, welcome :)
[06:10] <Flannel> itai-michaelson: I'm not sure.
[06:10] <ai3gtmc> hmm anyone? .. XD how do I remove /dev/sda1 in fstab?
[06:11] <debian_akroyd> roadfish, if i were you id probably try a netinstall..you know install ubuntu over the network/internet
[06:11] <Flannel> dcolish: because some people prefer it, and its one of those things "all" linuxes have.
[06:11] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, policy will show the package in the repo and if its installed or not...
[06:11] <Bogus8> dcolish: well, it's one thing not to approve of it and another thing to limit people that still know and want it
[06:12] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, what does "apt-cache show" show?
[06:12] <Bogus8> dcolish: one might not approve of drinking but they aren't going to be an A-hole and say "you can't in my house" if they are having a gathering or something... maybe I'm off but it seemed to fit ;)
[06:12] <dcolish> Flannel, Bogus8: a user could easily install it if they chose
[06:12] <jeffspeff> will ubuntu install .deb packages?
[06:13] <sn9> jeffspeff: yes
[06:13] <dcolish> Bogus8: byosu
[06:13] <Bogus8> dcolish: true, but it is basically a standard
[06:13] <ai3gtmc> where is fstab located?
[06:13] <dcolish> Bogus8: absolutely, just a thought
[06:13] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, it displays records for named packages as dpkg --print -avail does
[06:13] <nickrud> Bogus8 the key there is the sudo, that gave you root perms to use su
[06:13] <nickrud> dcolish recommend is not the the same as forbid another method
[06:13] <fourthdimension> can anyone tell me how to install jdk?  I installed it with sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk, but it can't compile anything correctly
[06:14] <dymas> hi
[06:14] <Bogus8> nickrud: ok, so it's still technically locked?
[06:14] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, i;m not sure what that means, why would show and policy give different versions?
[06:14] <dcolish> nickrud: i dont know if not installing by default is forbidding, see movie players
[06:15] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, try #ubuntu-motu
[06:15] <Bogus8> dcolish: but the ubuntu peeps don't want to make waves and not include something that might make 1337 peeps scoff at their distro ;)
[06:15] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, whats that?
[06:15] <nickrud> Bogus8 yes
[06:15] <Bogus8> nickrud: thanks
[06:15] <ai3gtmc> anyone can help me install LAMP on xubuntu?
[06:15] <aoirthoir> i just read a blog report on the problems with hardy, and a lot of them seem to be ones I am having and a lot of other folks aparently, do we know if there are any plans to fix these issues?
[06:15] <sn9> dcolish, Bogus8: sudo is not a replacement for su
[06:16] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, its a channel where MOTU members are there :)
[06:16] <fourthdimension> can anyone tell me how to install jdk?  I installed it with sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk, but it can't compile anything correctly
[06:16] <nickrud> dcolish not the same at all ;)
[06:16] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, i think my question was whats motu...
[06:16] <Bogus8> sn9: I agree... I think the point being argued is that it is being presented as such it seems
[06:16] <arvind_khadri> !motu  | itai-michaelson
[06:16] <nando> does "Sudo apt-get install wine" work for a wine installation?
[06:16] <aoirthoir> itai-michaelson: motu just means folks who make packages
[06:17] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, i'm not sure dare venture there,,,
[06:17] <aoirthoir> i dont know why its called motu but I seriously doubt it is such a name as masters of the universe
[06:17] <vilemaxim> ai3gtmc:  I usally just install phmyadmin that usally covers everything
[06:17] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, they are really friendly :)
[06:17] <fourthdimension> nando yes
[06:17] <aoirthoir> ubuntu folks have much more humbleness than that
[06:17] <dcolish> nickrud: sn9 Bogus8 agreed, and this would probably apply to advanced users only anyway, who could totally install it in under a minute
[06:17] <deadlyallance691> i am kind of a newb to linux and was thinking could i install the ubuntu server 64bit base system then add the dreamlinux repos and install the dreamlinux desktop environment so as to end up with a 64 bit dreamlinux?
[06:17] <nando> forthdimenison thank you
[06:17] <ay^_> nando: yes, but you might not get an updated package, to get them go to wines webpage and add their own repository
[06:17] <fourthdimension> nando yes
[06:17] <fourthdimension> nando yes
[06:17] <fourthdimension> lol wrong paste
[06:18] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, ok...i'll give it a try
[06:18] <fourthdimension> can anyone tell me why sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk doesn't work?
[06:18] <fourthdimension> it installs but the compiler doesn't work.
[06:18] <Bogus8> dcolish: as I said, I think it would be a no go because of the fear of backlash from such snobbish people and the distro "biz" is pretty cut throat it seems
[06:18] <ay^_> fourthdimension: what goes wrong with it?
[06:18] <dcolish> Bogus8: yeah probably
[06:18] <sn9> fourthdimension: sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun
[06:18] <fourthdimension> gives me errors in compiling anything besides a hellow world program
[06:18] <fourthdimension> like ones dealing with objects, imports, etc
[06:18] <Bogus8> dcolish: need an example, talk to gentoo people ;)
[06:19] <ManualOverDozer8> http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java6/
[06:19] <sn9> fourthdimension: sudo update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun
[06:19] <ai3gtmc> jeez anyone?.. :(
[06:19] <vook> aptitude is the preferred over apt-get
[06:19] <Flannel> vook: Not really, no.
[06:19] <ay^_> ai3gtmc: anyone what?
[06:19] <vook> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html
[06:19] <ai3gtmc> know how to install LAMP
[06:19] <bradtek> deadlyallance691  I doubt that would be compatible ...  but I guess it would be possible to install the Enlightenment Desktop Enviroment  in Ubuntu
[06:20] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, policy is meant to help debug issues relating to the preferences file. With no arguments it will print out the priorities of each source. Otherwise it prints out detailed information about the priority selection of the named package.
[06:20] <bullgard4> IBM_4690_Operating_System_Messages_Guide_Version 5.2 defines 'panel' as "The complete set of formatted information that appears in a single display on a visual display unit." This seems to me a rather rare use of the word 'panel' in Ubuntu. Do you agree or did I overlook something?
[06:20] <Bogus8> ai3gtmc: apt-get install lamp and if that doesn't work apt-cache search lamp and find the right package and install that
[06:20] <ai3gtmc> ay^_:you know how?
[06:20] <Ahmad> hi
[06:21] <nick__> why is ubuntu sutch a pain to watch at ?
[06:21] <Flannel> !lamp | ai3gtmc
[06:21] <ay^_> ai3gtmc: no, but I think google could tell me
[06:21] <mrwoody> Hi *. I have been trying to use an external monitor with my laptop. I can change configuration with nvidia-settings. Is there a way to create a script so that it would be easier to switch?
[06:22] <bleh> Hi guys i installed nvidia but when i reboot my x server does not run any idea i used the installer.
[06:22] <bleh> It runs when i use the installer, but after reboot it doesn't run again.
[06:22] <bradtek> bleh , which installer ?
[06:22] <jgoo> I've had synergy working before, just using the conf files. Today I am trying quick synergy for the second time...
[06:23] <Ahmad> blank screen?
[06:23] <Flannel> bullgard4: #ubuntu-offtopic would be a more appropriate place for that question
[06:23] <Bogus8> ah, LAMP, I was thinking LDAP woops
[06:23] <[-Mabus-]> anyone have Kismet installed that can tell me where the default output for the log files is?
[06:23] <bleh> bradtek, NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.09-pkg1.run
[06:23] <sn9> bleh: don't use the installer
[06:23] <jgoo> and again, no matter what I do, nothing seems to happen. I've names the screen and link to the server, it starts without errors, but nothing happens... :/
[06:23] <bleh> I used the Hardware drivers in System options, but its an old version need updated.
[06:23] <bleh> its 160 somthing.
[06:24] <Bogus8> lamp isn't hard to install... just install what you need... usually if you pick the right one the rest follow in anyway... like phpmyadmin
[06:24] <jgoo> Why isn't there a 'two computer' screenshot or setup conf example?
[06:25] <poon> could i get some assistance setting up ximapd? i'm trying to setup squirrelmail, and i'm getting an error saying theres no IMAP service on port 111.
[06:25] <poon> any help would be great
[06:25] <sn9> [-Mabus-]: current dir, iirc
[06:25] <bleh> sn9, what shall i do then ?
[06:25] <bradtek> Have you tried Envy to install
[06:25] <bleh> Since i don't need the old version
[06:25] <sn9> bleh: use the old version
[06:25] <vilemaxim> jgoo: because you haven't written it yet
[06:25] <nando> Do games suck under wine?
[06:25] <bradtek> envy uses old version ?
[06:26] <cweagans> nando: no....well...it depends on your video driver and what version of wine and what game
[06:26] <[-Mabus-]> sn9,  I'm looking for the Kismet output files
[06:26] <jgoo> vilemaxim, wow. awesome. The comment is in the context of, if you are going to write some help, and they have, and people do, why don't people, humans, naturally gravitate towards real world examples?
[06:26] <vilemaxim> nando: a few friends play WOW used wine
[06:27] <nando> ok thanks guys ill just have to see for myself
[06:27] <jgoo> vilemaxim, not necessarily as 'I want my help!'. I will just hack it more. it is annoying though
[06:27] <sn9> [-Mabus-]: the dir where you start kismet
[06:27] <kun-10> when i make mount
[06:27] <level1>  hi, how do I find a slightly old version of a package in ubuntu?
[06:27] <kun-10> fuse: mount failed: Device or resource busy
[06:27] <sn9> level1: "slightly old" ??
[06:28] <level1> sn9: for example, they released version 10 beta of flash in backports and then within a few hours reverted to version 9
[06:28] <level1> sn9: I want to find the package for version 10
[06:29] <cweagans> they probably reverted for good reason
[06:29] <vilemaxim> jgoo: I'm not saying you idea of how documentation should be written is bad.  I like screen shots... but a lot of people... new to open source... often complain about lack of documentation... or poor documentation, but when they figure something out, they don't write it ether.
[06:29] <level1> apparantly it caused system crashes
[06:29] <cweagans> i.e. version 10 sucked/caused problems/killed people
[06:29] <cweagans> =D
[06:30] <level1> cweagans: imo, killing people is a special cause of causing problems which itself is a special case of sucking
[06:30] <cweagans> haha...it wouldn't be if you were a ninja
[06:30] <cweagans> =D
[06:30] <level1> s/cause/case
[06:31] <bradtek> search says its in hardy backportrs
[06:31] <level1> you are still causing problems, just not for you
[06:31] <bradtek> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=flash
[06:31] <level1> bradtek: yes, its version   <IP_ADDRESS>+<IP_ADDRESS>5ubuntu1~hardy1+really<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[06:31] <level1> note the end
[06:31] <level1> really<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2
[06:31] <[-Mabus-]> sn9,  thanks found them, they where hinding the /var/
[06:31] <bradtek> lol
[06:32] <sn9> level1: i might still have 10 in my /var/cache/apt/archives if i haven't cleared it
[06:32] <level1> lol... isn't there a way to get this stuff online though?
[06:32] <level1> I thought nothing was deleted in the ubuntu archives
[06:32] <bradtek> why name it like that
[06:32] <SleepyThor> Hi, I got an issue about ubuntu having x-server freezed half-way
[06:33] <SleepyThor> the last time it crashes merely 3 mins after I start it up.
[06:33] <Ontolog> I have samba 3.0 installed but I can't find mount.smbfs
[06:33] <Ontolog> What is the deal here?
[06:33] <vilemaxim> Ontolog: aptitude install smbfs
[06:34] <Bogus8> Ontolog: I think you need sambamnt or something like that
[06:34] <V-sat> hi
[06:34] <Bogus8> samba package is just for samba sharing
[06:34] <mrwoody> Hi *... Does anyone here uses a docking stations and knows if there is a way to create a script so that the monitor changes when using the dockign station (without using nvidia-settings)?
[06:34] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: does it crash when you boot off the ubuntu CD?
[06:35] <sn9> !xrandr | mrwoody
[06:35] <SleepyThor> no, vilemaxim, when I'm on a working system
[06:35] <sleepster> what's the advantages of setting up a chrooted environment
[06:35] <mrwoody> sn9: ok.. thanks. Does it work for docking stations?
[06:35] <SleepyThor> it's find if I move my hdd to the other computer, but when working on my own testbed laptop, it freezes.
[06:35] <cweagans> sleepster: testing? development?
[06:35] <sn9> mrwoody: docking is an acpi event
[06:35] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: you video card might be bad... so a live cd might tell you if your problem is hardware
[06:36] <sleepster> cweagans: does it add security?
[06:36] <mhz128> Hello world!
[06:36] <DarkLimit> I instaled ubuntu and after I updated it it won't load and it brings me to this busybox (imitramfs) screen..any idea whats wrong?
[06:36] <mhz128> Where can I find some linux sounds to use for Pidgin? where are the default sounds stored?
[06:36] <ManualOverDozer8> has anyone used "Discover" to look at hardware in Hardy ?
[06:36] <mhz128> ubuntu sounds that is
[06:36] <cweagans> sleepster: couldn't tell you...I used it for building a LFS system
[06:36] <mrwoody> sn9: ok.. so does that mean it should work? at the moment, the only way I can get the external monitor to work is to use nvidia-settings
[06:36] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: I'm suspecting a bad video carda as well.
[06:37] <vilemaxim> sleepster: yes it does
[06:37] <cweagans> mrwoody: you can always do things from the terminal. here's the script that I would use:  reboot
[06:37] <cweagans> =D
[06:37] <sn9> mrwoody: make sure the acpi modules for docking are loaded, and add an event handler to hal-info
[06:37] <vilemaxim> sleepster: commands executed in the chroot cannot effect the non chroot environment
[06:37] <sleepster> vilemaxim: oh nice..
[06:37] <mrwoody> cweagans: it is not quite true
[06:38] <vilemaxim> sleepster: kinda a jail... sometimes refered to that way
[06:38] <sn9> mhz128: there are some in /usr/share/sounds
[06:38] <mrwoody> sn9: well at the moment, before I want to do that  I want to make sure I can change the configuration using only the terminal
[06:38] <mrwoody> sn9: otherwise would it work?
[06:38] <sleepster> vilemaxim: I need to restrict the commands users execute on my box so I was planning to use chroot to do that
[06:39] <sn9> mrwoody: from the terminal, just use xrandr
[06:39] <sleepster> create a usr/bin that will contain symbolic links of the commands that I will only allow them to execute
[06:39] <vilemaxim> sleepster: I use to run debian stable and unstable at the same time... with Xservers for each one on F7 and the other on f9
[06:39] <mhz128> sn9: cool thanks, how do i play ogg files? ubuntu wont let me
[06:39] <sn9> mhz128: just open them
[06:39] <vilemaxim> sleepster: the chroot must have everything they need in it
[06:40] <mhz128> sn9: "no availble software to view this file"
[06:40] <sn9> hmm
[06:40] <sleepster> vilemaxim: so is there a way to restrict the users from executing specific commands using chroot?
[06:40] <binskipy2u> anyone know if ubuntu's 64bit version has good multimedia codec support or is it lacking far behind 32bit ubuntu?
[06:40] <mrwoody> sn9: xrandr doesn't seem to realize that there are 2 monitors, unless I use nvidia-settings
[06:40] <vilemaxim> sleepster: sometimes mounting proc within the chroot helps with devices
[06:40] <mrwoody> sn9: I will try more
[06:40] <binskipy2u> if so, can you install a "server kernel" after you install 32bit ubuntu, so you can see all your ram if you have over 4gigs
[06:40] <LSD|Ninja> you really don't want to do that though
[06:41] <vilemaxim> sleepster: cannot say I'm an expert on it... just played around really.  But the simplist way is to limit what you put in the chroot
[06:41] <ManualOverDozer8> mhz128 : /usr/share/sounds/
[06:41] <mhz128> sn9: never mind, you can't run files from the gnome search tool...... only from nautilus...... how weird
[06:41] <sleepster> thanks viezerd
[06:41] <vilemaxim> sleepster: if bash isn;t in the chroot, they cannot do anything.
[06:41] <sleepster> thanks vilemaxim
[06:42] <marki613> /msg ubottu etiquette
[06:42] <vilemaxim> sleepster: no problem
[06:42] <binskipy2u> so anyone know if theres a true advantage to installing 32bit ubuntu+ server kernel to see all yoru ram and use all multimedia codecs, vs using a 64bit kernel, and not have as much multimedia codecs?
[06:43] <binskipy2u> but seeing all your ram w/o installing/upgrading the kernel
[06:43] <vilemaxim> sleepster: take a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html
[06:43] <SNuxoll> binskipy2u: kernel has nothing to do with multimedia codecs
[06:43] <vilemaxim> sleepster: section  8.6.35 chroot
[06:43] <binskipy2u> but 64bit ubuntu doesnt have as many codecs
[06:43] <SNuxoll> binskipy2u: the only difference really is that 64bit stil has troubled flash support
[06:43] <binskipy2u> but 32bit does
[06:43] <ai3gtmc> hmm how do I add another monitor? IM on xubuntu
[06:43] <binskipy2u> but 32bit doesnt see all my ram
[06:43] <binskipy2u> i'm missing close to 800mb
[06:43] <binskipy2u> 3.2something
[06:43] <binskipy2u> when i have 4gigs
[06:43] <vilemaxim> sleepster: that was the document that got me started
[06:44] <sleepster> thanks vilemaxim
[06:44] <ai3gtmc> binskipy2u: how do you check ram?
[06:44] <sleepster> ai3gtmc: free
[06:44] <binskipy2u> top
[06:44] <binskipy2u> and system info
[06:44] <binskipy2u> 3.2something
[06:44] <sleepster> ai3gtmc: or top
[06:44] <vilemaxim> sleepster: no problem
[06:44] <binskipy2u> total system memory
[06:44] <binskipy2u> when i have 4. gigs
[06:44] <ai3gtmc> jeez im on xubuntu..
[06:44] <powertool08> Is anyone available to help with ATI driver install?
[06:45] <LSD|Ninja> If you have >4GB RAM and want to see/use all of it then use a 64 bit kernel/OS. Don't take shortcuts.
[06:45] <sn9> powertool08: which ati do you have?
[06:45] <cweagans> powertool08: sudo apt-get install envy
[06:45] <cweagans> then use envy to install it
[06:45] <ai3gtmc> so anyone know how to add another monitor?
[06:45] <cweagans> works great
[06:45] <powertool08> sn9: 9600xt
[06:45] <sn9> powertool08: you don't need any ati driver
[06:45] <suraklin> envyng is awesome
[06:45] <elfgoh> hi wld any1 know wat happened to getdeb.net?
[06:45] <MTecknology> Well, I got all four emails sent off - hopefully I can make some money from them
[06:45] <MTecknology> ttyal
[06:45] <powertool08> sn9: ?
[06:45] <sn9> powertool08: 9600 works OOB
[06:45]  * MTecknology out
[06:46] <smokewon> !paste
[06:46] <binskipy2u> LSDninja.. will it make much of a performance differencing using 64bit ubuntu w/less multimedia support vs 32bit w/server kernel to see all 4gigs of ram
[06:46] <powertool08> sn9: didn't work for me :/ I've tried enabling the restricted, didn't work, installed through aptitude, didn't work, just installed from source, isn't working
[06:46] <binskipy2u> i'm trying to get the most out of this system
[06:47] <sn9> powertool08: don't use the restricted
[06:47] <elfgoh> hi wld any1 know wat happened to getdeb.net?
[06:47] <jeffspeff> i'm running off the desktop boot cd, what is the default root password to su ?
[06:47] <powertool08> sn9: what do I use then? ati or radeon? and will these get me 3d rendering with dual-head setup?
[06:47] <LSD|Ninja> binskipy2u: Do you *really* need 4GB RAM though? Is there anything you do that routinely needs more than 2-3?
[06:47] <elfgoh> hi wld any1 know wat happened to getdeb.net? Any1?
[06:48] <sn9> powertool08: radeon works
[06:48] <SNuxoll> !repeat | elfgoh
[06:48] <binskipy2u> i guess not
[06:48] <binskipy2u> a shame not to utilize it all and disable swap
[06:48] <binskipy2u> that would speed things up
[06:48] <vilemaxim> Any Citadel admins around.. trying to connect citadel to ldap.  Cannot figure out how to get these two talking
[06:48] <nickrud> !rootsudo | Bogus8 (Flannel's been hard at work, happy now? :)
[06:48] <binskipy2u> swappiness=0
[06:48] <cweagans> elfgoh: the admins probably got annoyed at people who don't feel it's worth their time to type complete words so they took the site offline
[06:48] <powertool08> sn9: Ok thanks, i'll try that
[06:48] <LSD|Ninja> binskipy2u: By the time you actually need it, 64 bit compatibility will almost certainly be a non-issue
[06:48] <Bogus8> nickrud: LOL... boy I started some ish eh?
[06:48] <elfgoh> cweagans: @@ wat did u mean by complete words?
[06:49] <Flannel> Bogus8: Nah, thanks for pointing it out.
[06:49] <binskipy2u> would you use 32bit on your 64bit hardware, just for that very reason..
[06:49] <sn9> binskipy2u: you should never disable swap altogether. it's better to swap to a ramdisk, ugly as that sounds
[06:49] <nickrud> Bogus8 it was a very good point you made
[06:49] <cweagans> 'what' instead of wat, 'you' instead of 'u'
[06:49] <Bogus8> of course it was :p
[06:49] <Flannel> elfgoh: You should speak properly, because not everyone speaks english as a first language, and slang/aolspeak is difficult for them to understand.
[06:50] <elfgoh> Flannel: oh ok sorry!
[06:50] <elfgoh> cweagans: ok tks!
[06:50] <cweagans> np
[06:50] <cweagans> and you did it again and so did I
[06:50] <cweagans> =D
[06:50] <level1> so, flash player 10 isn't very interesting
[06:51] <level1> and doesn't fix konqueror :(
[06:51] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: you know what's funny, it seemed to be fine running Windows XP (from another HDD)
[06:51] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: you did the install on a different system?
[06:51] <binskipy2u> i guess  800mb doesnt really matter, 3.2gigs should be enough for anything yoyu can throw at it
[06:51] <elfgoh> cweagans: oops!
[06:51] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: and move the drive to that system?
[06:51] <binskipy2u> still beats vista
[06:52] <cweagans> =D
[06:52] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: I installed this ubuntu on the offending system, then moved the drive to another one which seemed to work (all the machine has the same hardware config though sans a couple of keyboard differences afaik)
[06:53] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: I would try moving to a vesa driver and see if that helps
[06:54] <dfgas> does ubuntu have issues with sata booting?
[06:54] <ai3gtmc> how i restart x?
[06:54] <vilemaxim> dfgas: not that I noticed.  I'm on sata now
[06:54] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: how would one set the display driver to vesa?
[06:54] <dfgas> dual sata drives now
[06:54] <sn9> SleepyThor: safe graphics mode
[06:54] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: I haven't had the need to do that in a while, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I think
[06:55] <vilemaxim> I would drop into a non X terminal
[06:55] <vilemaxim> I guess you have no choice.
[06:55] <suraklin> dfgas: i had problems with dual sata drives, i had to change my grub device.map
[06:55] <vilemaxim> didn;t think that through
[06:56] <dfgas> suraklin, can you explain more
[06:56] <xinnix> is there a way to install live cd distros to boot from HD?
[06:56] <suraklin> dfgas: for some reason drive 1 was being seen as sdb and and drive 2 was being seen as sda
[06:56] <xinnix> i am assuming yes but just want to make sure
[06:56] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: it didn't say anything about display settings, it just babbled about keyboard!
[06:57] <vilemaxim> xinnix: I think you can get grub to boot iso
[06:57] <suraklin> dfgas: so i edited /boot/grub/device.map to change /dev/sdb to hd0 and /dev/sda to hd1
[06:57] <monte> .org
[06:57] <ManualOverDozer8> oops wont try that again :)
[06:57] <suraklin> dfgas: then i ran update-grub and grub-install to fix my boot issues
[06:57] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: the hard way would be to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:58] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: look for drive under device
[06:58] <sn9> that's not hard
[06:58] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: well, it has been edited. :P
[06:58] <SleepyThor> but as a carboncopy from the driver provider.
[06:58] <marki613> hello, does anyone have any idea on how to get sata hard drives to work on an a8n-sli motherboard with 8.04 x64
[06:59] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: change to vesa
[06:59] <michael> When I try to enable desktopneffects I getb theb error 'Desktop effects could not be enabled', does anybody  know why?
[06:59] <SleepyThor> you know what's funny, vilemaxim.
[06:59] <sn9> marki613: ahci mode in the bios
[06:59] <LSD|Ninja> michael: video card?
[06:59] <SleepyThor> it seemed to be fine on this alternative laptop I'm using
[06:59] <michael> LSD|Ninja, i'm using a PS3
[06:59] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: well you should be good then... I hate directing noobs there, but if you have been editing it before you shoudl be fine
[07:00] <dfgas> suraklin, acutally he is saying that when he has both drives hooked up he has problems that ubuntu won't show the sata drives at all unless he unhooks one or runs them both off of his sata raid card. however he is not running raid
[07:00] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: I'm a noob actually, but I'm at a loss as to why it works on this current computer but not my own testbed,
[07:00] <marki613> sn9:you mean change it so the hdds appear as raid?
[07:01] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: would it be a cooling problem?
[07:01] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: not sure what the problem is.  vesa is a very simple driver
[07:01] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: I'll need to check whether it is actually on vesa.
[07:01] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: you would think windows would suffer the same probelm then
[07:01] <sn9> marki613: options should be legacy, raid, or ahci. choose ahci
[07:01] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: funny enough, it seemed to be fine atm. :S
[07:02] <LSD|Ninja> michael: sounds like you're not using an accelerated video driver. No idea what you're supposed to use with a PS3 though. I know it's an nVidia of some sort but I doubt you can just go to the hardware drivers panel and intall their normal driver...
[07:02] <SleepyThor> It's so awkward that I don't even know what sort of black magic it is going on.
[07:02] <kaushal> hi
[07:03] <eross> could anyone help me with mythtv? my tv card isn't to be recognized after i modprobbed the cx18 coxenant driver
[07:03] <michael> LSD|Ninja, got any advice then?
[07:03] <kaushal> is there any option to show time in netstat command
[07:03] <vilemaxim> michael: I've heard from a friend that  linux installed on PS3 does have access to the video card's acceleration... by design
[07:03] <LSD|Ninja> michael: nope, if I even get a PS3 I sure as hell won't be installing Linux on it :P
[07:03] <eross> can i unmodprobe it to where it was before
[07:04] <vilemaxim> eross: what kinda of card is it
[07:04] <sn9> eross: you may need the to add pitti's (martin pitt's) apt repository
[07:04] <eross> vilemaxin - dont know, it came with model m7640n hp, think it comes up as iTvi or something under lpsci
[07:04] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: In fact, I'm trying to stress test the Window system on the offending machine.
[07:05] <sn9> eross: ivtv?
[07:05] <eross> sounds like it sn9
[07:05] <marki613> sn9:there's not option to change it only to enable or disable the sata controller
[07:05] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: I dobt it's a cooling problem then
[07:05] <Arodon> I'm trying parse the output of nm-tool in a bash script. There is a line in the form "    IP Address:       xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". How can I get just the address portion of this line?
[07:06] <ManualOverDozer8> marki: hdparm -I
[07:06] <michael> vilemaxim, LSD|Ninja, apparently it has a nvidia 7800 gtx graphics card.
[07:06] <michael> ANy help?
[07:06] <[T]ank> i am trying to install pptpconfig and am getting the following error:  Depends: php-gtk-pcntl but it is not going to be installed
[07:06] <[T]ank> cant figure out how to get past it
[07:06] <[T]ank> can anyone please help?
[07:06] <ManualOverDozer8> parse the delimiter
[07:06] <sn9> marki613: on the oldest sata boards, you may be out of luck
[07:06] <ManualOverDozer8> use the .
[07:07] <vilemaxim> eross: was hoping it was the one I setup, but it is not.  my card was a bitch to get setup
[07:07] <[T]ank> here is my sources http://pastebin.ca/1086853
[07:07] <eross> now i see this: 03:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)
[07:07] <sn9> eross: ivtv is not cx18
[07:07] <[T]ank> how can i correct or get past that error?
[07:07] <harisund> Arodon, use the command "cut" with ":" as a delimiter
[07:08] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: methinks it actually was part of the problem as the cooling fan was not working well, but that has been fixed and the problem is still recurring.
[07:08] <Arodon> harisund: ok thanks:)
[07:08] <mrwoody> sn9: I have been trying to use xrandr... but it seems that it can only see the internal monitor (until I use nvidia-settings)
[07:08] <eross> do i need to reinstall the os?
[07:08] <vilemaxim> eross: I had to pass kernel options when loading the card... there are 2 options with 0-24 in either and different ones would give me sound and color.... it was painful
[07:08] <sn9> mrwoody: oh, well...
[07:09] <sn9> eross: i doubt that will help
[07:09] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: but no recurring under windows now though... right
[07:09] <michael> LSD|Ninja, apparently Sony restrict access to the graphics cardsv full functionality  under Linux.
[07:09] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: yup
[07:09] <SleepyThor> so it'd be a driver problem
[07:10] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: unless your install for messed up... that is what it seems like to me
[07:10] <murlidhar> i am using custom base ubuntu installation . i use openbox and want to put some application launcher much like a dock , which doesn't have a system tray.
[07:10] <ledenby> anybody ever have trouble to open this chat room from Pidgin on Ubuntu?
[07:10] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: oops, might be a good idea to reinstall it then
[07:10] <murlidhar> what should i use
[07:10] <SleepyThor> :S
[07:10] <mrwoody> sn9: no more hints?
[07:10] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: the vesa driver would help figure out if it's your Xserver
[07:10] <eross> tv-time doesn't work, won't let me change the video source from /dev/video0
[07:11] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: wouldn't hurt, but I would try vesa drivers first... a lot faster
[07:11] <xintron> Is it possible to get realtransparancy with metacity?
[07:11] <Masteredu> Morning
[07:11] <sn9> mrwoody: read the nvidia driver readme? other than that, no
[07:11] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: though it didn't seem to ask me that question when I entered dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:11] <marki613> ledenby: no i'm actually using pidgin from ubuntu right now...
[07:11] <Masteredu> i have a problem all time when i restart my pc my keyboard goes back to the USA Keyboard
[07:11] <sn9> eross: tvtime is not compatible with ivtv
[07:11] <Masteredu> but i set alltime the german keyboard
[07:12] <sn9> Masteredu: that's a known bug
[07:12] <murlidhar> i am using custom base ubuntu installation . i use openbox and want to put some application launcher much like a dock , which doesn't have a system tray.
[07:13] <Masteredu> sn9 what i have to do?
[07:13] <ManualOverDozer8> !de
[07:13] <ManualOverDozer8> maybe they can help as they come up to the same situation
[07:13] <SleepyThor> aha, I seemed to overstreched the windows machine as well, vilemaxim
[07:13] <ledenby> marki613; hmmm, i used to get pidgin to go on this room but no more
[07:13] <SleepyThor> when I was doing stress test, it went blue!
[07:13] <ManualOverDozer8> SleepyThor : are you trying to kill a windows machine ?
[07:13] <sn9> Masteredu: read bug report #194645
[07:14] <murlidhar> BSOD kills /me
[07:14] <ManualOverDozer8> lol
[07:14] <SleepyThor> ManualOverDozer8: Not really, I'm trying to figure out why Ubuntu got frozen on my offending Linux testbed but not on this originally Windows machine.
[07:14] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: well if you are getting a new laptop I recommend the lenovo t62p  :)
[07:14] <Masteredu> where i can read bug reports?
[07:14] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: No, these are work testbeds. :P
[07:14] <vilemaxim> T61p sorry
[07:14] <Masteredu> pls lnik
[07:14] <Masteredu> link
[07:14] <marki613> ledenby: don't take my word for it, this is the first time i use pidgin for irc...
[07:14] <sn9> ubottu: bug 194645
[07:15] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: I've got two a penny laptops for my own, thanks.
[07:15] <kaushal> is there any option to show time in netstat command
[07:15] <SleepyThor> ManualOverDozer8: I just found out that when I stressed test my original testbed, it went to bsod.
[07:16] <ledenby> marki613: i'm using pidgin now from Pupplylinux...no probs here but it won't open the window on Ubuntu...oh well can't win em all!
[07:16] <murlidhar> i am using custom base ubuntu installation . i use openbox and want to put some application launcher much like a dock , which doesn't have a system tray.
[07:16] <vilemaxim> kaushal: netstat -t ?
[07:16] <unop> kaushal, netstat shows statistics for the current moment in time - why would you need timestamps for that?
[07:17] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: what did you use to stress it
[07:17] <tlove> Hello
[07:17] <kaushal> unop, i was interested in knowing when the port was connected
[07:18] <tlove> Hey, im using wine to run STEAM, and every game i start up freezes about midway before im about to click anything.
[07:18] <murlidhar> i am using custom base ubuntu installation . i use openbox and want to put some application launcher much like a dock , which doesn't have a system tray.
[07:18] <kaushal> unop, netstat -an|grep 12001
[07:19] <cweagans> murlidhar: install compiz and avant window navigator
[07:19] <cweagans> =D
[07:19] <m0u5e> just out of curiosity, whatever happened to the quality control for backports?
[07:19] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: SEi QA+ Win32
[07:19] <m0u5e> adobe flash beta 10 was horrible... even if it was only exposed for half a day (half a day too much IMO)
[07:19] <cweagans> all the bugs in the backports software ate the maintainers
[07:19] <cweagans> =D
[07:20] <m0u5e> cweagans, -__-; is it me, or do I sense a trend of of decreasing quality in backports
[07:20] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: when it went for hardware config, bsod occured.
[07:20] <m0u5e> does anyone else sense it? (i'm not trying to flame, I'm genuinely concerned, perhaps we should forward this to the appropriate people)
[07:20] <cweagans> yeah....backports sucks
[07:21] <cweagans> but I don't care because I compile all my software
[07:21] <cweagans> =D
[07:21] <m0u5e> cweagans, it didn't used to, there used to be a deal of quality control...
[07:21] <eross> i could try to install mythbuntu directly
[07:21] <ManualOverDozer8> is there any way to stop that "border fade to panel" thing ? it drives me nutz i dont like it
[07:21] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: I work for a pc repair company and am always looking for test programs
[07:21] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8, what do you mean border fade?
[07:21] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: aha
[07:21] <ManualOverDozer8> when i minimize the app, it fades to panel
[07:21] <murlidhar> cweagans: i don't want to use compiz . just a simple application launcher with no system stay and as far as i know awn shows the icons of the application that are running
[07:22] <SleepyThor> well, as I said, I'm a noob who's also a noob at the company I'm working atm.
[07:22] <[T]ank> can anyone recommend a good vpn client that is not pptpconfig?
[07:22] <cweagans> dunno then
[07:22] <[T]ank> using gnome
[07:22] <cweagans> openvpn?
[07:22] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: you like it?
[07:22] <ManualOverDozer8> m0u5e the border outline fades to the panel, maybe better way to put it
[07:22] <SleepyThor> though ironically, most people don't know linux: they stress test everything in Windows, and only install Linux before they ship out.
[07:22] <SleepyThor> vilemaxim: so far so good.
[07:22] <joe_chat> why does the new kernel freeze after gdm
[07:22] <[T]ank> does openvpn do pptp?
[07:23] <cweagans> eh...no....
[07:23] <joe_chat> white screen followed by black screen
[07:23] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8, outline of the panel border? (sorry if I'm not understanding)
[07:23] <cweagans> kppp?
[07:23] <cweagans> pppd?
[07:23] <SleepyThor> joe_chat: Hmm, good question
[07:23] <Skandalist> I'm using an Ubuntu (debian) based linux and have a problem with kopete, which I have installed manually... synaptic says that the package is broken (some libraries are too old), however, it work fine. How can I made synaptic just to ignore this package?
[07:24]  * N3bunel saluta
[07:24] <sn9> Skandalist: use apt-preferences and pinning
[07:24] <murlidhar> joe_chat: it's not kernel freeze it is that compiz and other startup items problem. log into gnome-safe mode and strike off the useless startup scripts from sessions
[07:24] <vilemaxim> SleepyThor: well it's almost 1:30 here so you can have the chat room.  take care.
[07:24] <ManualOverDozer8> m0u5e lets see.... when i minimize and application from maximized, it shows a jittery outline of the application down to the panel. it only does it wen i click on mininmize, not when i click on the panel again to maximize it
[07:24] <joe_chat> it seems gdm uses x windows and the freeze might be gnome or kde both freeze
[07:25] <m0u5e> Skandalist, first try "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade" and see if synaptic can solve that problem
[07:25] <joe_chat> ok
[07:25] <cweagans> brb....gotta poop
[07:25] <cweagans> =D
[07:25] <ManualOverDozer8> m0u5e i shut off visual effects in which it looks a little better but the visual effects dont go so well with this old vidcard
[07:25] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8, ah i know what you mean, i get that problem too... i think its an opengl bug
[07:25] <SleepyThor> talking about time difference...
[07:25] <ufk> i installed ubuntu 8.04 and the gnome-panel gets stuck a lot.
[07:25] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8, I don't remember if I fixed it, but currently i don't use the animations plugin (i use juse fade out)
[07:26] <m0u5e> ufk,  stuck?
[07:26] <ufk> like... gnome-panel freezes and i cannot start any new X program
[07:26] <murlidhar> joe_chat: just log out and choose gnome-safe session or something like that which i don't remember exactly
[07:26] <ManualOverDozer8> m0u5e yes it looks better but i turned it off. i have old mx440 and it struglles
[07:26] <m0u5e> ufk: are you by chance using backports and flash?
[07:27] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8: yeah, it might just be our gpus are too old :(
[07:27] <ufk> backports in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:27] <zen-xstat_> hello, anybody knows where can i ask python+gtk questions??
[07:27] <ManualOverDozer8> flash 10 works good on this machine, but if you look at description it says "but really 9.xx.xxx"
[07:27] <unop> zen-xstat_, #pygtk i believe
[07:27] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8: thats because backports got "fixed"
[07:27] <ufk> m0u5e, you mean a repository called backports ?
[07:28] <m0u5e> ufk: well the ubuntu-backports repos... so i suppose yes?
[07:28] <Flannel> ManualOverDozer8: that's because flash10 is still in beta.
[07:28] <ManualOverDozer8> i wasnt aware, i just happen to install it. this is new install as of last week
[07:28] <SleepyThor> ManualOverDozer8: well, on my own machine, sometimes, Flash Player 9r117 fails on Firefox.
[07:28] <ufk> let me check
[07:28] <zen-xstat_> unop: must include the # right?
[07:28] <unop> zen-xstat_, right
[07:28] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8: I'ved heard lots of problems with flash 10 (and I've experienced quite a few myself)
[07:29] <ManualOverDozer8> m0u5e yes as have i. i must have gotten lucky, it worked the first time i installed it
[07:29] <ufk> m0u5e, backports in not enabled.
[07:29] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8: do you ever try to "maximize" the screen... thats usually where my problems began
[07:29] <cweagans> back
[07:30] <ManualOverDozer8> "maximize screen" ? not sure what you mean. its default settings, at 800x600
[07:30] <ufk> m0u5e: should i enabled backports ?
[07:30] <m0u5e> ufk mm have no idea then... have you tried to kill X and restart? or does it always boot in like that
[07:30] <m0u5e> ufk: no
[07:30] <ManualOverDozer8> the apps that show at the bottom in the panel, clicking on them between min and max will do it, but not min to max
[07:31] <ufk> m0u5e, it works if i do that.. but this problem happens very often
[07:31] <m0u5e> ufk: i was just asking about backports, because i experienced what you are experiencing when using flash10
[07:31] <ufk> m0u5e, flash10 is also in backports ?
[07:31] <m0u5e> ufk: huh.... do you remember when it started?
[07:31] <ManualOverDozer8> m0u5e more just an anoyance rather than a bug, i know why the outline is there, but i dont like it, as i never liked any fades or special effects on windows
[07:31] <lat> I'm trying to install the driver from Epson for the Stylus C90, but I get this error message: "su: Authentication failure." I'm using the correct password, so what does this mean?
[07:31] <m0u5e> ufk: not anymore (thank god) its not
[07:31] <ufk> m0u5e, it started since i installed ubuntu
[07:32] <ManualOverDozer8> i like straightup speed, i dont need no eyecandy to run a machine :)
[07:32] <ufk> it's a new installation on lenovo r61
[07:32] <ManualOverDozer8> and with this vidcard i need every single mhZ it can push
[07:32] <ufk> i have a very important process that is running for two days.
[07:32] <ufk> and i cannot kill X
[07:32] <ufk> because i started it on a terminal on X.
[07:32] <m0u5e> ufk: well,  you could try reinstalling nautilus
[07:33] <m0u5e> ufk: and killing nautilus and restarting
[07:33] <ManualOverDozer8> ufk CTRL + ALT + BACKSPACE  be carefull
[07:33] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8: no that would kill his X...
[07:33] <ManualOverDozer8> attempt at your own risk
[07:33] <ufk> ctrl-alt-backspace will kill my X session and currently i can't because of an important process that is running.
[07:33] <ManualOverDozer8> yes i tried it
[07:33] <ufk> can i move the computer to sleep state from console ?
[07:33] <SleepyThor> hmm, ufk, your problem seemed to be similar to what I have.
[07:33] <h4x3ls10r> what options do i remove from menu.1st to get rid of the splash screen?  is it "quiet splash" ?
[07:33] <ManualOverDozer8> ther eis a restart i forget the command though
[07:34] <suraklin> ufk: too bad there's no way to attach that process to screen :(
[07:34] <ManualOverDozer8> google hit on restarting X > http://johnboy45.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/how-to-restart-x-windows-without-rebooting/
[07:34] <m0u5e> ManualOverDozer8: but it would kill his immediate processes wouldn't it?
[07:35] <suraklin> ufk: in the future, use screen to start processes that you might want to keep running while killing X
[07:35] <ufk> suraklin, yeah :(
[07:35] <suraklin> hindsight is 20/20 :(
[07:35] <suraklin> i just learned about screen today, i had no idea how powerful it is
[07:36] <suraklin> it reminds me of Desqview
[07:36] <ManualOverDozer8> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:36] <h4x3ls10r> gee gentoo has an ugly bootup - without the splash\
[07:39] <NeonMonk> gentoo is ugly
[07:39] <suraklin> typically, distros get prettier and less stable the more they're forked
[07:39] <suraklin> debian -> ubuntu -> mint
[07:40] <sn9> hah
[07:40] <h4x3ls10r> oh i mean ubuntu sorry guys, the gentoo on looks neat :-P
[07:40] <h4x3ls10r> the text on ubuntu boot up looks like a C64
[07:40] <FAJALOU1> h4x
[07:40] <FAJALOU1> are you on a widescreen?
[07:41] <h4x3ls10r> no, lappy
[07:41] <h4x3ls10r> the font is massive
[07:41] <h4x3ls10r> must be 20 point or something
[07:41] <Skandalist> use apt-preferences and pinning / sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade - I don't have these things...
[07:42] <h4x3ls10r> other than that it looks great - i'm coming from 10 odd years using other (now more commercial) distros
[07:42] <h4x3ls10r> i use gentoo on my 'rice-burner' though ;-)
[07:43] <h4x3ls10r> ubuntu looks really solid (now)
[07:43] <h4x3ls10r> must only be a matter of time before they too go corporate ;-)
[07:43] <h4x3ls10r> (not trolling, just joking)
[07:43] <sn9> put gentoo on your netbsd toaster :)
[07:43] <FAJALOU1> h4x3ls10r: it's because your screen is prolly widescreen, and the front usplash is just inproportonate, so you just need to change that
[07:44] <ufk> can i pause a process in console somehow and then to continue ?
[07:44] <cih997> hi, I have a hsdpa modem and want to connect. I'm using umtsmon but I can't connect. When I open "pppd" in terminal I got something like "~�}#�!}!}!} }4}"}&}". Umtsmon tells that pppd is wrong or something. What can I do?
[07:44] <unop> ufk, how was the process started? at the command line?
[07:44] <h4x3ls10r> i killed the splash all together FAJALOU1 it's the init sequence that looks weird (and it's not widescreen) :-)
[07:44] <sn9> ufk: ctrl-Z
[07:44] <ufk> no started on X
[07:44] <ufk> and now X froze..
[07:45] <cih997> hi, I have a hsdpa modem and want to connect. I'm using umtsmon but I can't connect. When I open "pppd" in terminal I got something like "~�}#�!}!}!} }4}"}&}". Umtsmon tells that pppd is wrong or something. What can I do?
[07:45] <ufk> the process keeps running... and my boss needs to take the laptop home now
[07:45] <FAJALOU1> h4x3ls10r: huh that's weird then, i think it's supposed to be big though.
[07:45] <AHemlocksLie> I installed Windows after installing Ubuntu, and it overwrote the bootloader. How do I regain the ability to dual boo?
[07:45] <AHemlocksLie> *dual boot
[07:46] <FAJALOU1> ufk sudo killall <process name>
[07:46] <unop> ufk, you can send the process a STOP signal to stop it for now
[07:46] <unop> ufk, and then to resume it later, send it a CONT signal
[07:46] <sn9> !grub | AHemlocksLie
[07:46] <ufk> unop, the STOP signal won't kill the process ?
[07:46] <unop> FAJALOU1, errm, no -- that kills off the process
[07:46] <ufk> FAJALOU1, i just said.. i can't kill the process
[07:46] <unop> ufk, no
[07:46] <zvacet>  AHemlocksLie :http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351&highlight=reinstall+grub
[07:46] <ufk> ok.. how can i send it the stop signal ?
[07:47] <FAJALOU1> sorry, just jumping in too late.
[07:47] <unop> ufk, see  kill -l  for a list of signals
[07:47] <ufk> thanks
[07:47] <unop> ufk,  -19 and -18 for STOP and CONT respectively
[07:48] <AHemlocksLie> ubottu: Thanks a lot, that should work.
[07:48] <AHemlocksLie> sn9: thanks, that should work
[07:48] <ufk> thanks
[07:50] <cih997> hi, I have a hsdpa modem and want to connect. I'm using umtsmon but I can't connect. When I open "pppd" in terminal I got something like "~�}#�!}!}!} }4}"}&}". Umtsmon tells that pppd is wrong or something. What can I do?
[07:53] <ajay> hi guys
[07:53] <ajay> question how do i install new icons
[07:54] <FAJALOU1> !icons | ajay
[07:54] <fuxxorz> hey, i installed a theme package and now its not showing up in appearance, how do i find it?
[07:55] <lat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/32088/
[07:55] <FAJALOU1> !themes | fuxxorz
[07:56] <Sanctusorium> Hey ya guys
[07:56] <FAJALOU1> !hi | Sanctusorium
[07:56] <fuxxorz> FAJALOU1, i have the themes, i isnstalled a theme pack, i just dont see them in the apperance tab
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> I just got a GTK theme and its in a tar.gz folder with a bunch of sub folders in it.
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> How would i go about installing it?
[07:57] <fuxxorz> FAJALOU1, i just want to use the themes i installed, im tired of my dark theme and want to use my new theme
[07:57] <FAJALOU1> fuxxorz:  did you drag and  drop the tarball into appearance.
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> :)  Thanks for any help/
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> FAJALOU1, Yeah, but it doesn't work
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> Er
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> Sorry
[07:57] <FAJALOU1> Sanctusorium: drag and drop into Appearances
[07:57] <Sanctusorium> FAJALOU1, Doesn't work correctly
[07:57] <cool> how i do networking ???
[07:58] <fuxxorz> FAJALOU1, it says the themes were installed correctly, but they dont show up for me to select them
[07:58] <Sanctusorium> It gives me a very ugly look, none of the pngs and what not are being loaded I guess.
[07:58] <FAJALOU1> Sanctusorium:  try a different theme
[07:59] <cool> how  i can network??
[07:59] <fuxxorz> can anyone help me get my themes working?
[07:59] <FAJALOU1> !explain | cool
[07:59] <lat> Never mind. I figured out the problem. It is a bash script and needed bash on the command line.
[07:59] <FAJALOU1> cool we need details to help
[08:00] <cool> iam trying  to network to my roomie pc
[08:00] <cool> hes on win
[08:01] <sn9> which windows?
[08:01] <cool> xp
[08:01] <Sanctusorium> Most all themes that AREN'T in mutiple folders work...  Just wonder how to get these mutiple folder ones to work.  I've read to extract it in /usr/themes, but I don't know what to do from there <.<;
[08:02] <acc> hello
[08:02] <sn9> cool: if he sets his disk to be shared, go to Places->Network
[08:03] <acc> how to change a permission
[08:03] <morbyte> hi
[08:03] <fuxxorz> can anyone help me get my themes working?
[08:04] <sn9> acc: right-click, Properties
[08:04] <acc> and then
[08:04] <morbyte> is there a possibility to install 32-bit libraries on a 64bit ubuntu for compabilities sake?
[08:04] <ManualOverDozer8> chmod 77 perm change that or just fo the session ?
[08:04] <dymas> dgsfgfsg
[08:04] <dymas> arfdsfdsfds
[08:04] <acc> i want the command line
[08:04] <sn9> morbyte: yes
[08:04] <morbyte> fuxxorz: ill try
[08:04] <cool> can i ues a name thats how i did it with my old linux 2 my old win that was xp  ??
[08:05] <fuxxorz> morbyte, i installed a theme package with a few themes in it, variations of the same theme. but they arent showing up in the themes tab
[08:05] <morbyte> sn9: or should i take wine for games?
[08:05] <wuyuan> hi
[08:05] <fuxxorz> morbyte, it said they installed successfully
[08:05] <BRB_RSI> should try Crossover Games
[08:06] <sn9> morbyte: wine needs 32 bits anyway
[08:06] <unop> acc,  what are these files and directories? your documents or music, etc?
[08:06] <morbyte> fuxxorz: hmm maybe re-login?
[08:06] <h4x3ls10r> what's the desktop setting to get the windows all lined up when pointer hits the corner?
[08:06] <acc> thank you and toz
[08:07] <acc> q
[08:07] <fuxxorz> morbyte, thanks, ill try that
[08:09] <morbyte> sn9: ill simply try the WineForAMD64 faq :)
[08:09] <cih997> hi, I have a hsdpa modem and want to connect. I'm using umtsmon but I can't connect. When I open "pppd" in terminal I got something like "~�}#�!}!}!} }4}"}&}". Umtsmon tells that pppd is wrong or something.
[08:10] <cool> wine dont work for all games
[08:12] <powertool08> sn9: I uninstalled everything I could find that had to do with fglrx, and here is my updated xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/32091/ Still don't have dual monitors going and glxinfo says direct rendering: yes but I don't think its right
[08:13] <sn9> powertool08: does xrandr work?
[08:14] <Flynsarmy> Is there a man page for the PS1 variable for terminal?
[08:14] <powertool08> sn9: Probably, I had it setup like that once
[08:14] <sn9> Flynsarmy: man bash
[08:14] <moreau> anyone know a program that wll index .wmv movies
[08:15] <powertool08> sn9: Ok so I think I can get dual desktops going with xrandr, but is my direct 3d setup correctly for games/compiz?
[08:15] <powertool08> sn9: glxinfo output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32092/
[08:15] <Banditul> hi ...i have SB Live and can't make it work ...anyone have solutions ?
[08:16] <Adondai> After trying ubuntu with wubu and loving it I installed ubuntu on its own partition and dual booted it with vista. I had heard this gives a slight performance boost (plus you can hibernate) however for some strange reason now video doesnt seem to be working quite as well? its still decent... but I get a little flashing and black lines with compez flipping desktop effects and that kinda stuff, screensavers struggling to render... anyone know why this would b
[08:17] <krughanh> hi all can some one help please --- dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stops after keyboard detection
[08:18] <krughanh> so i cannot get to the screen resolution srction
[08:18] <krughanh> section
[08:18] <sn9> powertool08: you shouldn't really need all that in xorg.conf; the defaults should be ok
[08:18] <krughanh> im using ubuntu 8.04 gnome
[08:18] <sn9> krughanh: there is no such section anymore
[08:19] <cool> why wine  dont work with my  games?
[08:19] <krughanh> sn9 ---- it show me the keyboard and mouse then it stops
[08:19] <krughanh> im pretty sure i done 4 times
[08:20] <powertool08> sn9: Does the default xorg.conf say "Configured Video Device" "Configured Keyboard Device" etc? Because thats what I get with a dpkg-reconfigure
[08:20] <cool> why wine  dont work with my  games?
[08:20] <sn9> powertool08: it's mostly blank
[08:20] <TLE> UBertha: java
[08:20] <FAJALOU1> !wine | cool
[08:20] <sn9> krughanh: that's normal
[08:20] <krughanh> i get Configured Keyboard Device but never get to the part that let me choose the screen size
[08:21] <powertool08> sn9: ok
[08:21] <sn9> krughanh: there is no such part anymore
[08:21] <krughanh> so im stuck on 800*640 (i think)
[08:21] <ayianus> Greetings.
[08:21] <krughanh> :(
[08:21] <ayianus> How can I modify the entires in the "Places" menu of the standard panel?
[08:22] <lk0> Hi. Has anybody know about good window tailing manager for gnome ?

[08:22] <sn9> krughanh: on some machines, you must now edit the file manually. sorry
[08:22] <krughanh> sn9----- thank you for helping ------ time for hitting Google then....... thanks again
[08:23] <cool> why wine  dont work with my  games?  i like games www.netgame.com wine will not work with any of them
[08:23] <ajay> guys im using gtkpod for transfering music to my ipod
[08:24] <ajay> but knopw i have a freinds ipod and wanted to talk some of his music out from it and put in in my pc
[08:24] <ajay> i could transfer the files from gtkpod but ill get like a random name for the songs
[08:24] <Mba7eth> morning all ... where can i find a good tut for Hping ?
[08:24] <ajay> is it possible to transfer the music direclty with the name in it
[08:25] <ajay> is it possible with amarok musik player
[08:26] <alexbobp> How can I vew the list of packages that were installed in an offline installation of ubuntu that I have mounted?  I keep seeing "dpkg --get-selections", but that only works for the currently running system.
[08:26] <Neophos> I'm trying to install the development libraries for gtk2, but I get that some dependencies (libatk1.0-dev, libcairo2-dev, libglib2.0-dev and libpango1.0-dev) cannot be installed with the simple error "but it is not going to be installed". What's wrong?
[08:27] <Neophos> I have enabled all repositories in synaptic according to the guide on the official Ubuntu Wiki
[08:29] <anto9us> alexbobp, this might not be the best solution but you could look in the installation's /var/log/apt/term.log
[08:30] <alexbobp> anto9us: well, that certainly gives me information, but there's no way I can parse that...
[08:30] <cool> why wine  dont work with my  games?  i like games www.netgame.com wine will not work with any of them
[08:30] <FAJALOU1> cool > AppDB
[08:31] <FAJALOU1> !AppDB > cool
[08:31] <Flannel> alexbobp: /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:31] <anto9us> alexbobp, cat /var/log/apt/term.log | grep "Setting up"
[08:32] <Flannel> anto9us: is that new? and does that hold all of them? or just recent ones?
[08:32] <alexbobp> heh, someone in ##club-ubuntu gave me a better solution: chrooting into it
[08:32] <anto9us> alexbobp, Flannel, zcat /var/log/apt/term.log.1.gz | grep "Setting up" and so on for all gz files
[08:33] <Flannel> anto9us: That'd require me to have said file, see first question.
[08:33] <alexbobp> anto9us: thanks, but chrooting works way better :P
[08:33] <cool> anything like wine free and better?
[08:33] <anto9us> alexbobp, yeah, probably not the best solution, like I said :)
[08:34] <anto9us> Flannel, I'm not sure what you're asking me mate
[08:34] <pucko> hm... is 'sudo' broken? I define an environment variable in /etc/profile and/or /etc/environment but still it won't show up when doing 'sudo env'?
[08:34] <Shish_> sooo, what does it mean when my screen goes black, with columns of tiny blue dots goin from top to bottom, and right next to that -- what appears to be bullets...???
[08:35] <Flannel> anto9us: Do you know when that was added?
[08:36] <anto9us> Flannel, no, I'm on Hardy though
[08:36] <Flannel> cool: wine is free.
[08:37] <Flannel> cool: wine doesn't work with everything.  Have you checked the appDB? or asked in #winehq?  some games need special tweaks
[08:38] <cool> i did not fun
[08:39] <cool> any gay games for linux?
[08:40] <lat> Closer but still can't install the driver for my Epson Stylus C90 printer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/32096/
[08:41] <morbyte> how do i start a process with a high priority?
[08:42] <cool> no  fun no help with anything iam out
[08:42] <Ububegin> cool: did you try the "brokeback mountain" game.. its pretty gay...
[08:43] <SNuxoll> !offtopic | Ububegin
[08:43] <cool> no were 2 get it?
[08:43] <vlt> Hello. What else than `umount` happens exactly when I click on "remove USB storage safely"? What makes the device recognise the cable is "disconnected"?
[08:44] <Ububegin> SNuxoll: sorry, was irritated with cool's question on where to get "gay" games for linux. So had to respond back with sarcasm..
[08:44] <SNuxoll> Ububegin: sorry, didn't ready my scrollback myself
[08:46] <Ububegin> cool: Pls dont keep pm'ing me. I DONT KNOW where to get GAY games.. Maybe you should go to some other channel..
[08:47] <SNuxoll> cool: unsolicited privmsg's are not cool
[08:48] <Slym> I'm trying to install a radeon 9250 graphics card on 7.10 ubuntu. If i have the card in the pci slot when I boot the splash screen locks up. Is there any way that i can use envy to install a driver before boot? I'm very new to ubuntu... Thanks in advance.
[08:48] <SNuxoll> Slym: they xorg driver won't change a lockup at usplash
[08:49] <arelis> !x3100
[08:49] <arelis> !intel
[08:49] <Slym> So envy will not help my problem?
[08:49] <SNuxoll> Slym: no
[08:50] <Slym> k
[08:50] <BoomSie> !radeon
[08:50] <SNuxoll> !search x3100
[08:50] <arelis> Hello everybody. My intel X3100 video card is being really slow in lots of games, such as Nexuiz. And it's one of the newest cards in laptops. Why, and how do i solve it?
[08:50] <SNuxoll> arelis: the X3100's not exactly a high end card
[08:50] <crdlb> arelis: 3d performance with the open source drivers is not very good at the moment
[08:50] <moreau> anyone know of a map editor for freeciv?
[08:50] <arelis> SNuxoll: still, it's better than than the 950, which is in my Mac Mini, which runs Nexuiz fine
[08:51] <crdlb> arelis: improved X infrastructure will help in the future, particularly gallium and DRI2
[08:51] <arelis> crdlb: so it's drivers are not yet good?
[08:51] <arelis> but compiz is working fine
[08:51] <crdlb> arelis: it's not a problem with the drivers really, but with the DRI infrastructure that all drivers other than nvidia use
[08:52] <arelis> crdlb: ATI ran fine too
[08:52] <crdlb> arelis: compiz is extremely light on gpu resources
[08:52] <arelis> and i thought intel had the best open source drivers?
[08:52] <crdlb> they do, but not for high-performance gaming
[08:52] <crdlb> arelis: what kind of ATI?
[08:52] <arelis> crdlb: ATI Radeon 9600, although i had tons of problems with it
[08:53] <crdlb> arelis: well, fglrx is a different story
[08:53] <crdlb> that's highly optimized like nvidia's driver
[08:55] <arelis> crdlb: so it's supposed to be so slow?
[08:57] <iqson716> hey
[08:58] <crdlb> arelis: without gallium, the DRI stack cannot provide good throughput
[08:58] <mosteak> whatx l
[08:58] <ogzy> if i dont see my wireless pci card at the lspci output, does that mean that i need the driver of it or should i maybe need the firmware also?
[08:59] <iqson716> I want to make a GameServer with Frozen-Bubble! How can I do this?
[08:59] <SNuxoll> ogzy: if you don't see it then your computer doesn't see the card
[08:59] <hzalai> 好久没有来了，请教一个问题，为什么我的NTFS文件系统打不开，提示说参数有问题？
[08:59] <SNuxoll> !jp | hzalai
[08:59] <arelis> crdlb: openarena runs fine. But only with bloom off. Once i turn it on, it becomes slow.
[09:00] <ogzy> SNuxoll, so how can i solve it? driver installation and/or firmware
[09:00] <SNuxoll> ogzy: the card isn't properly installed
[09:00] <SNuxoll> ogzy: physically
[09:00] <crdlb> arelis: there may be some tweaks that could help (but I don't know anything about them)
[09:00] <hzalai> sorry
[09:01] <ogzy> SNuxoll, himm so if it is installed properly i should see it anyway? are you sure there is no need for a firmware support?
[09:01] <xnv> Anyone know which package the 'signal' command would be in?
[09:01] <ogzy> SNuxoll, because i checked the pluging twice, should be working
[09:01] <SNuxoll> ogzy: yes
[09:01] <ogzy> SNuxoll, ok will check it again
[09:02] <arelis> crdlb: would you at least link me to a place with such tweaks?
[09:02] <MikeSeth> oh yeah, PXE boot + network install for ubuntu!
[09:02] <crdlb> arelis: I would if I knew of such a place
[09:02] <iqson716> Please help me! how to make a GameServer with Frozen-Bubble!??
[09:02] <unop> xnv, don't think there is any package that contains it.  why do you need the signal command?
[09:03] <xnv> unop: Sounds less ominous than "kill" :-)
[09:03] <hyperair_> ehllo there. how come cups doesn't seem to support grayscale printing?
[09:03] <unop> xnv, so the reason you need the signal command comes out of being pedantic?
[09:04] <itai-michaelson> whats the command to backup fstab? cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab-backup?
[09:04] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, sudo cp -r
[09:04] <MikeSeth> itai-michaelson: you could do it that way, yes
[09:04] <unop> itai-michaelson, that works
[09:04] <dahlia> hi, can anyone direct me to the secret incantations to allow java applets to work in firefox in ubunbu 8.04 64 bit?
[09:04] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, why do i need the -r?
[09:04] <xnv> unop: If it's not provided, it's not the end of the world.
[09:05] <unop> itai-michaelson, short hand.  cp /etc/fstab{,-backup}
[09:05] <crdlb> itai-michaelson: you don't
[09:05] <arvind_khadri> itai-michaelson, oops you dont need it...
[09:05] <unop> xnv, it's not provided - for good reason i think. there is already a set of utilities that do it.  kill, killall, pkill, etc
[09:05] <itai-michaelson> arvind_khadri, thanks
[09:05] <vierranet> Hardy not printing to PDF (home/vrv/pdf)
[09:05] <untraceable> my atheros 5008 isnt supported in ubuntu what can i do to get it running
[09:06] <itai-michaelson> crdlb, unop MikeSeth thanks
[09:06] <xnv> unop: "kill" just gives a certain impression if you don't pay close attention to which signal is being sent
[09:08] <dudetard> I'm trying to run a windowed app that requires me to press F! but when I do it fires up a Power Information app. how can I stop this?
[09:08] <dudetard> err F1 that is
[09:08] <unop> xnv, it's moot. you can stop execution of a process in different ways - same like you can kill something in different ways.
[09:09] <xnv> unop: Except I'm not stopping execution
[09:09] <iqson716> I have a valid IP and setting up my router for pppoe, now I want to make a server and use my IP as http://myip/index.html         ????
[09:09] <unop> xnv, off topic
[09:09] <jcooke> What's the simplest way to have a windows position and size remembered permanently when it's run each time?
[09:10] <unop> jcooke, use a window manager that is capable of this.  fluxbox for example
[09:10] <moreau> if you have compiz you can do it
[09:10] <jcooke> moreau, using windows class/type?
[09:11] <chazco> Hi... how can i optimise Ubuntu for the Intel Atom CPU?
[09:11] <moreau> its called 'window rules' its the last item in the 'Window Management' section, all the wya near the bottom of ccsm
[09:12] <koth> Hi there~
[09:12] <jcooke> moreau, don't see anything specific to location, basically trying to manage some apps like Dia/GIMP so that all of their windows load in the same location/size
[09:13] <koth> I have a question about using ubuntu, connection to a mac share.
[09:13] <killuats> hi all!
[09:13] <koth> can anyone help please?
[09:13] <jcooke> moreau, probably Place Windows + Window Rules will do it?
[09:14] <jcooke> nm, place is for viewport, using that already
[09:14] <moreau> ah your right
[09:14] <moreau> Place windows for location, window rules for siza
[09:14] <jcooke> place windows only sets what viewport/desktop it goes to, using that so all my apps start up on various workspaces
[09:14] <koth> HI there, I am having a problem connecting to a MAC share from ubuntu using smb. Can anyone give me a hand?
[09:15] <master_> I'm trying to run a windowed app that requires me to press F1 but when I do it fires up a Power Information app/OSD. how can I stop this?
[09:16] <ra21vi> i have a script /usr/local/cc.sh , which starts cruisecontrol. If i create a symlink in /etc/init.d/ willit work, or will I have to write another script for init.d
[09:17] <trojan__> vrotmnenogi
[09:17] <killuats> i have a 2 winxp installed on my machine, the 1st xp is installed at the primary partition and the 2nd one is on extended drive d:, right now i just finished installing ubuntu8 and configured menu.lst of grub, how can i directly boot my second winxp on menu.lst?
[09:17] <LanceMartin> looking for a modem (telephone dialer) not for internet just for making phone calls ...?
[09:17] <trojan__> Vrotyoulegs
[09:17] <ikonia> ra21vi: you should write an init script with the correct hanlder
[09:18] <trojan__> You need kiss my ass
[09:18] <unop> ra21vi, ideally you want that script to respond to the start, stop and restart commands.
[09:18] <ra21vi> ikonia: what is meant by handler in script? start | stop | restart etc
[09:18] <unop> ra21vi, yep
[09:18] <ikonia> trojan__: stop that now
[09:18] <ikonia> ra21vi: exactly,
[09:18] <ra21vi> unop: I just need start at this moment,
[09:18] <ikonia> ra21vi: look at the functions script that all ubuntu init scripts call
[09:18] <unop> ra21vi, if you simply want your script to run on bootup, call it from /etc/rc.local
[09:18] <ra21vi> ikonia: unop right now not willing for stop | restart | and status
[09:19] <trojan__> lubaaa
[09:19] <trojan__> A
[09:19] <ra21vi> unop: will it be same when installed on RedHat distros and debian/ubuntu
[09:19] <trojan__> nihuya sebe Oo
[09:19] <trojan__> opa!
[09:19] <untraceable> anyone know a madwifi driver that will work with an atheros 5008
[09:19] <ikonia> ra21vi: it's your call what you do that
[09:19] <ikonia> trojan__: stop
[09:19] <ogzy> Ra
[09:20] <unop> ra21vi, well, you can place a symlink in /etc/init.d  but then you must enable it for the runlevels you want to run in (runlevel 2 specifically) . i.e. through update-rc.d
[09:20] <unop> ra21vi, i believe it should be the same on redhat distros too - same init, same style of init scripts
[09:21] <koth> HI there, I am having a problem connecting to a MAC share from ubuntu using smb. Can anyone give me a hand?
[09:21] <trojan__> no
[09:21] <ikonia> koth: sure, whats the issue ?
[09:21] <ra21vi> unop: exactly that is needed. it should start in runlevel 3, so I will create a symlink in /etc/init.d/ and then ?? update-rc.d ?
[09:22] <koth> hi ikonia: I am sharing a folder in my mac, using it build in share function(both mac share and windows share)
[09:22] <LanceMartin> Thank you ikonia ... !
[09:22] <ra21vi> unop: the biggest problem is, I am developing script on Ubuntu and the client needs that on Redhat fedora.. so the script need to be distro independent
[09:22] <untraceable> poor guy-trojan- lol
[09:22] <ogzy> ok i checked the wireless card plugging again and still i dont see it at my lspci output, can someone say me that whether i should install the wifi driver or firmware or not
[09:22] <koth> ikonia: I can see the machine in Network
[09:22] <ikonia> koth: ok, that sounds reasonable so far
[09:22] <ra21vi> unop: ok, thanks :)
[09:22] <unop> ra21vi, i'm not sure how redhat enables script - chkconfig i believe
[09:22] <ikonia> unop: bang on
[09:22] <untraceable> anyone know a madwifi driver that will work with an atheros 5008
[09:22] <koth> ikonia: but the problem i have, is that some of the share is only share to a few user
[09:22] <ra21vi> unop: yes there they use chkconfig :(\
[09:23] <koth> ikonia: and my ubuntu login is different from my mac login,
[09:23] <unop> ra21vi, on debian/ubuntu.  update-rc.d foobar start 60 3 . stop 70 0 1 6 .
[09:23] <ikonia> koth: well thats going to be an issue with the share setup on the mac, on either a user or username limit
[09:23] <koth> ikonia: so my question is: can u "login as a different user"
[09:23] <soulchild> Hi all, somehow I can't use Compiz or any visual effects, like those in KDE 4, anymore. All i get is a black and white screen (where the windows are white), any ideas ?
[09:23] <ikonia> koth: if your username is different you have to pass the username option -o username=koth for example
[09:23] <ra21vi> unop: can you please tell me about the 60 3 in parametes
[09:24] <ra21vi> is 60 priority? and 3 initlevel