  I'm just getting up in California.
[14:47] <dholbach> good, got a bit of stuff done already, but I'm not at the end of the list for today yet :)
[14:48] <grantbow> uh oh :)  I know the feeling.
[14:49] <dholbach> how are you?
[14:49] <grantbow> Pretty good.  Are you aware of any NGO activity in Afghanistan?
[14:54] <czajkowski> grantbow: not that I'm aware of
[14:54] <czajkowski> no
[14:55] <grantbow> hi czajkowski :-)
[14:59] <grantbow> hmm, looks like my email didn't make it to the ubuntu-ngo mail list yesterday.  Aha! I sent to the wrong address.
[15:04]  * grantbow resends
[15:07] <dholbach> grantbow: do you know where in Afghanistan they send the laptops?
[15:07] <dholbach> grantbow: NGO activity having to do with Ubuntu?
[15:08] <dholbach> grantbow: I know the http://hubuntu-af.org/ team is doing good work in the west of the country (Herat) and building a custom distribution
[15:10] <dholbach> http://event.stockholmchallenge.se/project/2008/Public-Administration/FrontlineSMS-Text-Messaging-Hub-Grassroots-NGO-Community looks interesting too (mentions ubuntu)
[15:11] <dholbach> if you're looking for NGOs in general that do great work in Afghanistan, I'd mention http://www.aid-for-afghan-children.de/  http://www.ikat.org/ and http://skateistan.org/
[15:13] <grantbow> custom distribution?  wow - great resources!  Good people to talk with to strengthen the stance of open source in the country.
[15:14] <grantbow> I know Carol Ruth Silver is now in Afghanistan and has been in Kandahar and traveling but I know how where yet.  They want to scale up operations to use XOs in remote areas where teachers aren't even available yet.
[15:15] <dholbach> yeah, there's lots of those areas in .af
[15:15] <grantbow> Carol is a former SF Supervisor who I am working with a bit, perhaps more soon.
[15:15] <dholbach> nice
[15:15] <dholbach> let us know how things go there!
[15:15] <dholbach> that's amazing
[15:15] <dholbach> give her a big hug from me :-)
[15:15] <grantbow> will do :-)
[15:16] <grantbow> we had a conference call with her and Mike Dawson a couple weeks ago at a Saturday OLP
[15:16] <grantbow> OLPC-SF meeting
[15:17] <grantbow> I think she returns in a couple weeks
[15:19] <dholbach> it'd be sweet if Ubuntu could do any good there
[15:20] <grantbow> the OLPC project has had Fedora sponsorship in the past and needed custom spins but that relationship has changed after sugarlabs emerged out of the OLPC organization and is now on their own.
[15:20] <grantbow> Fedora and Red Hat sponsorship
[15:20] <grantbow> Now that the new hardware supports any distro that changes things quite a bit.
[15:21] <dholbach> I'm happy to see that the sugar team is active in Ubuntu
[15:21] <grantbow> Recent activity sponsored by sugarlabs
[15:21]  * grantbow is happy too
[15:22] <grantbow> there's still a nasty X.org bug that gets triggered by xephyr that's a big pain - modifier keys get stuck down when trying sugar!
[15:22] <grantbow> emulation is the work around right now
[15:22] <grantbow> virtualbox
[15:23] <dholbach> urgh
[15:23] <dholbach> did you talk to the guys in #ubuntu-x?
[15:23] <dholbach> is there a bug for it?
[15:23] <dholbach> did somebody forward it upstream?
[15:24] <grantbow> it's a nasty deep bug in x.org triggered by the nested X that xephyr does - I think there are several bugs for it
[15:24] <dholbach> ok
[15:24] <grantbow> I haven't talked to them yet
[15:24] <grantbow> good idea, thanks
[16:50] <xdatap> hi everybody
[16:54] <czajkowski> xdatap: aloha there
[16:55] <xdatap> czajkowski: hey Laura, how are you
[16:55] <czajkowski> great you?
[16:55] <xdatap> czajkowski: i'm fine
[16:55] <xdatap> czajkowski: are you coming next uds?
[16:58] <czajkowski> I am indeed
[16:58] <czajkowski> :)
[16:58] <czajkowski> xdatap: as is Pendulum
[16:58] <czajkowski> gonna working on ngo stuff tonight
[16:58] <czajkowski> and cross items off the blueprint
[16:58] <czajkowski> and create an agenda for a meeting
[16:58] <czajkowski> so we can work on a blue print for uds-m
[16:59] <xdatap> yay!
[16:59] <czajkowski> so if you've any ideas drop us an email
[17:00] <xdatap> i will
[17:00] <czajkowski> <--- gone


[12:22] <innovati> so, does anybody here recall what the default windeco and widget style are for kubuntu or will be default in the upcoming releasE?
[12:26] <mhb> innovati: they will be the same as in Feisty
[12:26] <mhb> innovati: most likely
[12:27] <mhb> innovati: that means Crystal windeco and Polyester widget style
[12:27] <innovati> mhb: hmm, I think I left the default settings ~10 minutes after installing it haha, thanks
[12:27] <innovati> oh yes, I recall polyester, it's a nice style isn't it
[12:28] <mhb> it's not that bad
[12:28] <innovati> haha so shiny all of a sudden haha
[01:19] <MaximLevitsky> Hi
[01:20] <kubuntu> i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that?
[01:21] <MaximLevitsky> Two days before I told here that I found some bugs in kdesu, and that kdesudo is far from perfect. I need to know which one kubuntu will use,so I can fix it
[01:22] <kubuntu> how about kdesu
[01:22] <MaximLevitsky> I mean will kdesu be replaced with kdesudo?
[01:23] <kubuntu> dont know
[01:23] <mhb> MaximLevitsky: that's a good question, but most of the people here are asleep. I would recommend using the kubuntu-devel mailing list.
[01:23] <kubuntu> i just klicked on my trash can and it asked me what do i want to open it with? anybody know about that?
[01:23] <mhb> kubuntu: nope :o) you should try the #kubuntu channel, we're not exactly support here, sorry.
[01:24] <kubuntu> ok thanks mhb
[01:24] <MaximLevitsky> mhb, sure i will ask, thanks
[01:24] <MaximLevitsky> i/I
[01:24] <mhb> MaximLevitsky: my bet is on "kdesu" staying the default, but ask there to make sure
[01:26] <MaximLevitsky> mhb, thanks a lot, and btw I agree with you, I also find it better that kdesudo
[02:13] <pgquiles> nixternal: ping
[07:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken__: pong
[07:09] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[07:09] <Hobbsee> heya nixternal!
[07:10] <n8k99> heya nixternal and Hobbsee!
[07:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: compiz is by default for machines that support it
[07:10] <Hobbsee> mhb: if they dont, it drops back to metacity
[07:10] <Hobbsee> hiya n8k99!
[07:11] <nixternal> hola
[07:12] <Hobbsee> fabo: seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132096 ?
[07:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132096 in kvpnc "Upgrade disables vpn client kvpnc" [Undecided,New]
[07:12] <mhb> Hobbsee: ah, thanks for enlightening me
[07:13] <Hobbsee> (as we keep finding major bugs each tribe)
[07:14] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kubuntu/index/C/index.html
[07:14] <nixternal> how does that index look? all of the 'How do I...' stuff will be links to the answers
[07:53] <fabo> Hobbsee: on previous kvpnc, pkcs11-tool wasn't supported, opensc was added on 0.8.9
[07:53] <fabo> Hobbsee: as kvpnc can support multiple vpnc type of connection, every "helper" is a suggests
[07:53] <Hobbsee> fabo: ah right
[07:54] <fabo> don't need to explain the rationale :)
[10:35] <Riddell> anyone want to package the new amarok?
[10:55] <siretart> anying using xine based applications with the smb:// url?
[10:57] <Riddell> wouldn't have thought xine could work with smb://
[10:58] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure amarok doesn't do a great job of it, apachelogger_ may know
[10:59] <apachelogger_> xine doesn't support kio slaves
[11:00] <apachelogger_> siretart: though I have been told for years that it's being worked on, I never saw anything working... ;-)
[11:00] <apachelogger_> Riddell: btw, the amarok package should get a debug package, debian added it in 1.4.6
[11:01] <Riddell> all our packages have debug packages
[11:01] <Riddell> (you just have to know where to get them)
[11:01] <apachelogger_> lol
[11:01] <apachelogger_> do they get hidden?
[11:07] <Riddell> they're on an obscure archive somewhere
[11:07] <apachelogger_> hm
[11:07] <Riddell> jdong: did ktorrent get a fix?
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger_: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-September/000195.html
[11:07] <apachelogger_> Riddell: thx
[11:07] <apachelogger_> Riddell: that does ship debug symbols for everything, just not backports :|
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger_: yes, why the long face?
[11:07] <apachelogger_> Riddell: how is one supposed to take a proper backtrace from a backports package?
[11:09] <Riddell> apachelogger_: in theory it should just work
[11:09] <Riddell> oh, it /doesn't/ have backports, I misread you
[11:10] <apachelogger_> :P
[11:10] <Riddell> dunno, pitti would know why it wasn't included
[11:16] <Tm_T> hi manchicken_
[11:17] <ijuz__> NetworkManager is the suck, all my laptop says is "NetworkManager: <info> Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access type not supported"
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: compile is progressing rather well.. have a few packages that cause probs
[11:28] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what causes problems?
[11:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: libxml-parser-perl and libxml-encoding-perl depend on eachother to build, subversion is missing gcj build-dependency, rpm depends on libdb4.4 but libdb4.5 is required by some other packages, so they need to be swapped
[11:30] <_StefanS_> libneon25-dev changed to libneon26-dev in rpm debian/rules as well.
[11:30] <_StefanS_> but nothing yet for i386 vs. lpia
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: here's the list of the stuff currently rebuilt: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33551/
[11:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: which of those are blocked by the above issues?
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: These are: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33552/
[11:33] <Riddell> _StefanS_: ok, please e-mail the list of good kde modules and dependencies that still need to be built to infinity
[11:33] <Riddell> and cc me and doko
[11:33] <_StefanS_> righto.
[11:33] <_StefanS_> quite a list ;)
[11:33] <Riddell> you can also add the list of issues you have above at the end
[11:33] <Riddell> yep, great stuff :)
[11:35] <_StefanS_> uhm I expect the whole list you mailed me to be rebuilt later today, so I'll mail the list once I'm done. And ofcourse include any issues with it
[11:35] <_StefanS_> ok?
[11:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it would be really cool to have some of these backgrounds included within kubuntu .. : http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/gallery/ specifically the "vplants" collection
[11:37] <_StefanS_> they're downright amazing.
[11:38] <Riddell> we already have a background for gutsy
[11:38] <Riddell> of course he can submit the artwork to the kde oxygen background competition
[11:45] <_StefanS_> well I dont know the guy, I just sorta stumbled upon the backgrounds
[11:45] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:58] <fabo> Riddell: builds fine under feisty confirmation -> strigi_0.5.5-2build1 + kde4libs_3.92.0-0ubuntu3
[12:01] <Riddell> fabo: do I need to make kde4libs build-dep on that strigi version?
[12:03] <fabo> Riddell: it is recommended. kde4libs_3.92.0-0ubuntu3 build only with strigi_0.5.5-2build1
[12:04] <Riddell> ok
[12:53] <doc_> hi there :)
[12:54] <Riddell> hi doc_, has your island burnt down?
[12:54] <doc_> a littel :/ thanks for asking :)
[12:54] <Riddell> at least your internet seems to be working, that's the important thing
[12:55] <doc__> hehehehe of course :)
[12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: found a bug related to that networkstatus in kdelibs, will try to fix and make a patch for you.
[12:55] <_StefanS_> ouch.. cpu is 99 degrees celcius. Better find my external fan :D
[01:06] <Riddell> _StefanS_: what's that?
[01:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `.//usr/bin/networkstatustestservice': No such file or directory
[01:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: gotta find out why that binary is not created/moved to the correct place
[01:07] <Riddell> it may no longer exist
[01:07] <Riddell> _StefanS_: did you send that e-mail to infinity?
[01:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: not yet. I was going to wait until I had finished compiling the last 4 packages
[01:26] <siretart> apachelogger: no, xine doesn't support kioslaves
[01:26] <siretart> apachelogger: xine however does support various MRL schemes, see xine(5) for details
[01:26] <apachelogger> siretart: yeah, but I think the smb thingy is br0ken
[01:26] <apachelogger> I'm not really into smb stuff though ;-)
[01:27] <siretart> apachelogger: that's what I believe as well
[02:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ctypes  (python-ctypes) needs lpia in debian/control under Architecture.
[02:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if you want to submit it.
[02:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: can you send me a debdiff?
[02:18] <Riddell> as an attachment preferably
[02:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm ok
[02:24] <_StefanS_> hey hobbs
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the attachment is in the  second mail
[02:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: regular diff....
[02:25] <Riddell> _StefanS_: do you object to debdiffs?
[02:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: no not at all.. I just cant never get it to work
[02:26] <Riddell> dch -i    ..add changelog..   debuild; cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[02:27] <_StefanS_> goody, I will write it down :)
[02:28] <_StefanS_> uhm I guess I missed the dch -i part
[02:28] <_StefanS_> thats why it didn't have anything to diff even though I changed the source
[02:28] <Riddell> oh, debuild -S, I forgot the -S
[02:29] <_StefanS_> oh yep.
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I added you to motu-uvf, I noticed you had no negative votes :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's dealing with amarok?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, somehow!  :P
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whoever grabs it first
[02:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell, Hobbsee: I'm compiling it for lpia if thats what you're talking about
[02:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: no, we're talking about the new version, which needs to be packaged (and backported) by someone
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[02:32] <_StefanS_> oh ok
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: then again, no idea how much ubuntu stuff i'll be doing, including if i'll have time to do -uvf
[02:35] <Hobbsee> but it will be useful to be able to shove kubuntu stuff thru
[02:36] <Riddell> :)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> interesting answer.  Riddell's smiling over me saying i'll probably be spending less time on *ubuntu
[02:39] <jjesse> i think we all are Hobbsee
[02:39] <Hobbsee> jjesse: right, okay then
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: excellent, so we have 2 kubuntu ack's, and can shove anything thru without gnome interference.  excellent.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i didnt know you wanted to get rid of me that much...
[02:40] <jjesse> Hobbsee: i don't
[02:41] <ScottK> Of course I've been having less time for *ubuntu lately too...
[02:43] <Riddell> I'm smiling that kubuntu remains the important thing
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, it tends to seem the most useful
[02:43] <ScottK> Well that's the thing I actually use every day.
[02:46] <Hobbsee> it's interesting - the top distros, apart from ubuntu, all seem to be shipping kde as their default...
[02:49] <kwwii> erm, redhat?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> okay, excluding redhat.
[02:49] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Which are those (I'm curious)?
[02:49] <ScottK> opensuse?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, pclinux07,
[02:49] <ScottK> IIRC, SUSE shipped Gnome/KDE on an equal footing now.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> http://distrowatch.com/
[02:49] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought it did kde
[02:50] <kwwii> nope, those days are gone
[02:50] <ScottK> Since Novell bought them the've leaned more and more towards Gnome.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:50] <Hobbsee> dodgy
[02:50] <jjesse> for opensuse you have the opportunity in the install ot specify either KDE or gnome
[03:00] <\sh> Riddell: compiz and kde under gutsy? compiz-kde installed, but how do someone enable it?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> \sh: compiz --replace
[03:00] <\sh> i did...
[03:00] <\sh> no change
[03:01] <\sh> with gnome no problem
[03:02] <Riddell> do you have compiz-fusion plugins installed?
[03:02] <\sh> Riddell: is it installed by default?
[03:02] <Riddell> no
[03:03] <\sh> plugins-main is installed
[03:03] <\sh> plugins-extra I don't know
[03:03] <\sh> hmm...installing emerald ;)
[03:22] <\sh> and freeze ;)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: undocumented feature.
[03:23] <\sh> Hobbsee: hehe...looks like
[03:23] <\sh> let's try it again
[03:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's the opposite to teh windows burning down
[03:23] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh - you cant ctrl+c the terminal compiz
[03:24] <Hobbsee> \sh: use kwin --replace to get out of compiz
[03:26] <\sh> Hobbsee: tbh, compiz --replace gives more problems then under gnome...
[03:31] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes, compiz and kde are not friends
[03:33] <\sh> hopefully kde4 will solve this issue
[03:36] <nixternal> mornin'
[03:38] <Riddell> \sh: you got it working?
[03:40] <\sh> Riddell: yepp...but only for a short time
[03:40] <\sh> Riddell: kde3 and compiz...
[03:41] <\sh> many graphical bugs (top/bottom line of panel, depends where you moved the panel)
[03:41] <\sh> the keyboard shortcuts are gone, when switching from gnome to kde compiz
[03:45] <Riddell> \sh: what did you need to do to get it working?
[03:47] <\sh> Riddell: just a compiz --replace
[03:47] <\sh> and you need compiz-kde installed
[03:48] <\sh> but how to change the keyboard shortcuts...I didn't manage...
[03:48] <\sh> I'll check this evening when I have more time to investigate
[03:49] <\sh> (works here with the free radeon driver from xorg...M300 ati card)
[03:53] <nixternal> anyone else having external mouse issue at all?
[04:02] <kwwii> nixternal: yeah, I can find mine :p
[04:03] <nixternal> mine is acting like it the battery is dead, but I just replaced it
[04:03] <nixternal> the touchpad works fine, but the external mouse is garbage right now
[04:03] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: AAAAH!
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:05] <Tm_T> don't laugh, its great idea!
[04:08] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder what's happened to Tonio
[04:09] <Riddell> _StefanS_: kdesudo is in main
[04:19] <Riddell> anyone have tonio's phone number?  kwwii, manchicken?
[04:19] <jjesse> is there a meeting today?
[04:20] <kwwii> nope, I do not have it
[04:20] <Hobbsee> jjesse: not for kubuntu -it's not the first wednesday of the month
[04:20] <Riddell> jjesse: no, but he's been missing for 10 days and I need to know what's happening with bluetooth before FF
[04:21] <nixternal> Riddell: didn't he go on a vacation with his girlfriend?
[04:22] <jjesse> ah
[04:22] <Riddell> rings a bell
[04:22] <jjesse> ive just mised the the last couple and didnt' want to miss another one
[04:22] <nixternal> I remember him saying something like "did I tell you I love her"
[04:22] <Riddell> going to Rome
[04:22] <nixternal> so I am wondering, you think he popped the question?
[04:22] <Riddell> "on vacation on sunday for 10 days"
[04:23] <Riddell> mm, in Rome, might be hard not to
[04:23] <nixternal> right
[04:23] <Riddell> so he's gone until FF basicly
[04:23] <Riddell> anyone fancy updating his kdebluetooth packages and uploading?
[04:24] <Riddell> I don't know if there's fancy stuff that needs doing or not though
[04:24] <nixternal> 08/03/07] [12:33:44] [    Tonio_]  Riddell: and I'll be on vacation on sunday for 10 days
[04:24] <nixternal> [08/03/07] [12:34:01] [    Tonio_]  going to visit roma, my girlfriend offered me the trip for my birthday :)
[04:24] <nixternal> [08/03/07] [12:34:10] [    Tonio_]  did I tell you I love her ? ^^
[04:24] <nixternal> :)
[04:24] <nixternal> so he has a couple of more days
[04:24] <nixternal> ahh, I just noticed you posted it
[04:25] <nixternal> Riddell: I can update it, you can upload it :)
[04:27] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm not sure where he was putting his packages
[04:27] <Riddell> fabo has the url to kdebluetooth betas
[04:27] <nixternal> I think in a PPA iirc
[04:27] <Hobbsee> or on his home repo, maybe
[04:27] <nixternal> kdebluetooth repos in pkg-kde?
[04:28] <nixternal> kde-extras
[04:32] <fabo> nixternal: tonio package is on his home repo
[04:32] <nixternal> ah, OK, thanks
[04:33] <Riddell> nixternal: http://cryptomilch.de/~dgollub/kdebluetooth/  beta 6 here
[04:33] <fabo> :)
[04:34] <Riddell> I can't remember why it wasn't uploaded, it needs a new dependency or something
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont you log?
[04:35] <Riddell> ubuntulog does, but I can't find it just now
[04:35] <fabo> basket rules ;)
[04:45] <bddebian> Heya
[04:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sweet news about kdesudo
[05:07] <mhb> Riddell: what is the plan with kdesudo? There was a person asking about it the other day.
[05:08] <nixternal> I think it was just added to kubuntu-meta (seen something in gutsy-changes about it)
[05:09] <nosrednaekim> as for that bug that someone was reporting the other day with VIA chipsets and Kinfocenter, its definately a VIA video driver problem.
[05:09] <nixternal> Riddell: should I change the maintainer to Kubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:09] <nosrednaekim> I tried it out on a VIa computer.
[05:09] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: what bug is that?
[05:10] <nixternal> I have to via systems here to try and reproduce it on
[05:10] <nixternal> s/to/two
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> I forget. :( but it was some bug where kinfo center would crash the whole computer when looking at the openGL status.
[05:10] <nixternal> works fine here
[05:10] <nosrednaekim> (or at least crash X)
[05:11] <nixternal> but then again I am not using binary drivers
[05:11] <nosrednaekim> are you using vesa? or "via"?
[05:11] <nixternal> ati (dri r300 project)
[05:11] <nixternal> via chipset though
[05:11] <Riddell> nixternal: can do
[05:11] <nixternal> k
[05:11] <nixternal> test building it now
[05:12] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: this had to do with the via graphics chip
[05:12] <nixternal> ahh
[05:12] <nixternal> ya, the via graphics chip, the xorg drivers for it are really really bad
[05:13] <nosrednaekim> yeah, the bug is (partly) reproducable on fiesty (kinfo center just crashes)
[06:01] <nixternal> Riddell: http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta6~r698638-0ubuntu1.dsc
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: groovy, any idea if it works?
[06:03] <nixternal> I don't have bluetooth on this machine to test it
[06:03] <nixternal> that's it..I am going to go buy some bluetooth toys this week
[06:06] <Riddell> fdoving: do I remember you have bluetooth?
[06:06] <nixternal> my cellphone doesn't even have bluetooth...man I am cheap
[06:07] <nixternal> a bluetooth usb adapter is fairly inexpensive...I can take my laptop to the mall and sit in the food court and borrow people's cell phones :D
[06:28] <toma> nice artwork/kdm in gutsy atm!
[06:28] <Hobbsee> toma!
[06:28] <toma> ola Hobbsee
[06:28] <Hobbsee> toma: i like your idea, btw
[06:29] <toma> hmm, which one ;-) ?
[06:29] <toma> i'm full of idea
[06:29] <toma> s
[06:30] <Hobbsee> toma: the one about closing kde3 bugs, when kde4 releases
[06:30] <toma> Hobbsee: you do? o allright. I expected some objections from packagers
[06:31] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Until KDE4 is the default supported version in a released version of Kubuntu, I don't think we should do that.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> ScottK: upstream b ugtracker
[06:32] <Hobbsee> toma: wlel, if you're not going to fix the bugs anyway, what's the point in having them?
[06:32] <ScottK> Ah.
[06:32] <Hobbsee> all tehy do is sit there and rot
[06:32] <Hobbsee> i cant see the point
[06:32] <nixternal> toma: I am onboard with the kde3 bug closing as well...I know Phil Rodgriguez and I already talked about it and are planning on something similar in the next few months
[06:33] <ScottK> Well until KDE4 is mature enough for mere mortals, don't be so sure you're done fixing KDE3.
[06:34] <nixternal> kde 3.5.8 is pretty much it, unless it is security or grave
[06:34] <toma> Hobbsee: i agree
[06:34] <toma> nixternal: planning on something similar?
[06:34] <nixternal> heh, there are still bugs from KDE 3.3
[06:34] <nixternal> stuff with KHC and docs right now
[06:35] <nixternal> but I have been following the KDE bugsquad and I know some of them have stated something similar
[06:36] <toma> the reactions  on my blog are a bit mixed
[06:36] <toma> i think a somewhat mild version of my proposal can make it
[06:36] <toma> not sure how to proceed though
[06:38] <toma> it will close the bugs in launchpad as well though
[06:38] <toma> i dont know if you aer happy with that
[06:38] <Hobbsee> toma: it'll close the upstream links
[06:38] <Hobbsee> and we can close based off that
[06:38] <toma> k
[06:38] <Hobbsee> personally, if upstream arent going to fix them, and we arent either, then what's the point in keeping them open?
[06:39] <toma> +1
[06:39] <toma> now i need someone to explain the klamav thread to me
[06:40] <ScottK> What isn't clear?
[06:40] <toma> What is not clear to me is why you dont want klamav to update its core
[06:41] <ScottK> First, as a matter of policy, updates should be done within the packaging system.
[06:41] <ScottK> So, it's normal to disable functionality that allows updates external to the packaging system.
[06:41] <ScottK> So, I'd put it the other way, why should we allow it?
[06:42] <ScottK> Additionally, I've discovered that clamav can easily be made to use a mix of /usr/local and system files from different versions and that can't be a good thing.
[06:42] <toma> because i fear people will not have to right lines in the apt package manager to receive the updates at all and because people do not update every day
[06:43] <ScottK> But to make the klamav approach work they also need to know enough to install the build-dependencies, which most people won't do either.
[06:44] <ScottK> Also, -security is enabled by default and we've been very good about getting security updates for clamav done quickly.
[06:44] <toma> why would people need to have build-deps?
[06:44] <ScottK> Additionally, desktop av doens't have the same level of criticality on Linux desktops as it does on Windows desktops.
[06:45] <ScottK> So they can build the new version of the software from source.
[06:45] <ScottK> That's what klamav does, it fetches the new upstream release, builds, and installs it in /usr/local.
[06:45] <toma> ahhh
[06:45] <toma> that was not clear
[06:46] <toma> i thought it jst received a binary blob which was a standalone part of the scanning
[06:46] <ScottK> No.
[06:46] <ScottK> Also, virus definitions are retrieved.
[06:46] <ScottK> This is just for clamav engine upgrades.
[06:46] <toma> right
[06:47] <toma> thanks, i'll reply to the list after dinner to cancel my objections
[06:48] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[07:30] <nixternal> conversation with su failed
[07:30] <nixternal> what does that mean when trying to run add/remove in feisty?
[07:34] <nixternal> actually that error is in edgy...jeesh
[07:34] <Riddell> it means kdesu broke?
[07:35] <nixternal> that is what I suspect
[07:35] <nixternal> but he is supposedly getting this on a new system...trying to get him to upgrade
[09:32] <jc-denton> is there a plan to implement spellchecking in klauncher?
[09:32] <jc-denton> which can correct errors with a distance of 1 or 2?
[09:33] <jc-denton> will it be able to compete with quicksilver (which katapult is not imho)
[09:33] <jc-denton> will the next kubuntu ship with kde4?
[09:35] <TheInfinity> kubuntu 7.10?
[09:35] <jc-denton> yes
[09:35] <TheInfinity> no. kde4 is not final
[09:36] <jc-denton> yes but it will be a bit after the release of the new kubuntu
[09:36] <jc-denton> so i ask myself if you will delay it a bit
[09:37] <ScottK> It's been discussed and it's just not possible.
[09:37] <TheInfinity> there will be inoffical kde4 upgrades
[09:38] <TheInfinity> but they are not offically supported
[09:38] <ScottK> The Kubuntu schedule is tied ot the Ubuntu schedule and there really is no mechanism to delay one without the other.
[09:39] <jc-denton> where?
[09:39] <jc-denton> what does mean not possible
[09:39] <jc-denton> of course it is
[09:40] <TheInfinity> jc-denton: kubuntu.org offers inofficial kde upgrades
[09:40] <TheInfinity> the have kde4 atm
[09:40] <TheInfinity> but its just for testing
[09:41] <jc-denton> yes but i don't want inoffical stuff if i upgrade to a new distro
[09:41] <jc-denton> i'm already playing with them too
[09:41] <TheInfinity> then you have to wait ;)
[09:41] <TheInfinity> kde 4.0 wnt be that stable i think, so its even better if theres some time
[09:41] <jc-denton> no i'll switch to opensuse :P
[09:42] <jc-denton> (and waste my spare time with rpm dependencies)
[09:42] <TheInfinity> do what you want ;9
[09:42] <jc-denton> but nobody wants an old kde version with a new distro
[09:42] <mhb> jc-denton: KDE4 is very unstable by itself
[09:43] <TheInfinity> jc-denton: everyone who likes just a stable OS likes an old kde version ;)
[09:43] <mhb> jc-denton: actually, everyone wants the system to "just work" without tweaking, and KDE4 doesn't offer it yet
[09:44] <mhb> jc-denton: if you are a KDE enthusiast, you can easily install KDE4 with just a few packages
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> mhb: I am convinced that isn't hat gentoo users like ;)
[09:44] <TheInfinity> jc-denton: if you like the latest software sometimes with a lack of stability you can use sidux for example - or using the inofficial backports
[09:44] <jc-denton> i'm not an enthusiast, i'm just interested
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> *what
[09:45] <TheInfinity> or gento - there you will have always the latest software
[09:45] <jc-denton> but kde4 will then be final (which i also have problems to imagine, since i played with the kde4 beta)
[09:46] <TheInfinity> jc-denton: windows vista for example is also final
[09:46] <TheInfinity> i dont need to say more, dont I? ;)
[09:46] <jc-denton> it's indeed very stable
[09:46] <mhb> jc-denton: you see, KDE4 has a beta available, but their "beta" is a lot different to the Kubuntu concept of "beta" version
[09:46] <jc-denton> ok maybe change topics
[09:46] <mhb> jc-denton: they don't have all the features there, which is a prerequisite for a beta
[09:47] <jc-denton> does anybody know about the new kde launcher
[09:47] <mhb> jc-denton: krunner?
[09:47] <jc-denton> mhb: microsoft?
[09:47] <mhb> jc-denton: no, KDE4 guys ...
[09:48] <jc-denton> yes i read about this
[09:48] <jc-denton> it will come available later
[09:48] <jc-denton> but that does not mean that 4.0 will be unstable
[09:48] <mhb> jc-denton: I'm afraid if KDE4.0 final will arrive at the planned date, it would be of "beta" quality for us
[09:48] <ScottK> jc-denton: For those of us who use Kubuntu for actual work that we get paid for, I think Gutsy with KDE4 by default would be a disaster.
[09:48] <ScottK> It'd be time for me to look for another distro.
[09:48] <sahin_h> Is Kubuntu 8.04 will be provide KDE4 as default? I'm just wondering.
[09:49] <TheInfinity> sahin_h: depends on how stable kde4 is
[09:49] <sahin_h> If not, I don't mind. I'm really just wondering.
[09:49] <sahin_h> So is there hope for it?
[09:49] <jc-denton> ScottK: well kontact was and still is a desaster in every kubuntu distro ;)
[09:50] <jc-denton> ScottK: but i understand
[09:50] <ScottK> jc-denton: Oddly enough I've used it as my primary mail client for over two years with no real problems.
[09:51] <ScottK> Actually 1 + years on Kubuntu.
[09:51] <ScottK> Opensuse and Xandros before that.
[09:51] <mhb> sahin_h: most likely not
[09:51] <TheInfinity> jc-denton: you never moved many mails in an IMAP folder ...
[09:51] <jc-denton> ScottK: i don't belive you
[09:51] <mhb> sahin_h: Kubuntu 8.04 will be an LTS release, so we should try and make it an exceptionally stable release
[09:51] <jc-denton> we tried to use it at work
[09:51] <TheInfinity>  i meant ScottK
[09:51] <jc-denton> with kolab
[09:51] <jc-denton> it never worked
[09:51] <sahin_h> mhb: Well this is sad, however you are the developers.
[09:51] <ScottK> TheInfinity: True.  I use pop, not imap.
[09:52] <sahin_h> I won't switch to opensuse. ;-)
[09:52] <ScottK> If jc-denton had said IMAP is Kmail really sucks, I'd have agreed.
[09:52] <TheInfinity> ScottK: i have ca. 500 MB mails in imap
[09:52] <TheInfinity> and there kmail really sucks
[09:53] <jc-denton> TheInfinity: ?
[09:53] <TheInfinity> cached imap of course ;)
[09:53] <ScottK> sahin_h: I am a developer now, but that wasn't true most of the time I'be used Kontact/Kmail.
[09:53] <jc-denton> ScottK: well i mean that
[09:53] <mhb> sahin_h: if you think KDE4 will be production-ready for you at its release or in Kubuntu 8.04, you can easily switch to it
[09:53] <jc-denton> nobody uses pop nowadays
[09:53] <jc-denton> and kolab uses imap for everything
[09:53] <ScottK> Then I guess I'm nobody.
[09:53] <mhb> sahin_h: we will provide fully functional KDE4 packages. They just won't be the default.
[09:54] <TheInfinity> jc-denton: lots of people use pop3 at home
[09:54] <jc-denton> yes my grandma
[09:54] <sahin_h> mhb: Ok. That's fine.
[09:54] <jc-denton> ;)
[09:54] <ScottK> Every time I've tried IMAP I've lost mail.  Doesn't matter what client I used.
[09:54] <mhb> sahin_h: but we will provide instructions on how to set KDE4 as default, so everyone can make the switch if they want
[09:54] <TheInfinity> but if you have an own server or a network in a company you have imap ;)
[09:54] <sahin_h> mhb: Even better!
[09:54] <ScottK> Well my company is the ideal size.  Employees == 1.
[09:54] <sahin_h> mhb: That's will be fine for me.
[09:55] <TheInfinity> ScottK: I just have an own server in net and make some web projects. and have imap mail ;)
[09:58] <jc-denton> ScottK: too bad for you, you need to do all the work yourself :D
[09:59] <jc-denton> just curious.. what kind of company is it, ScottK ?
[09:59] <ScottK> I mostly do consulting in system engineering and also some SMTP related stuff.
[10:00] <ScottK> And I'd rather do all the work myself than deal with trying to manage getting other people to do it for me.
[10:01] <jc-denton> system engineering == project management
[10:03] <jc-denton> maybe not == , but  like that?
[10:05] <ScottK> No more on the technical end of working out the details of how different complex system interact.
[10:06] <jc-denton> so you do coding? or sysadm related stuff?
[10:06] <ScottK> Group A designs syste AA and Group B designs system BB.  When in-service will AA and BB work together well and how to make it better.
[10:06] <ScottK> I do some coding, but mostly for prototype work.
[10:06] <ScottK> It's mostly design documentation.
[10:07] <jc-denton> ok
[10:07] <jc-denton> klauncher: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4: undefined symbol: _ZN14QObjectPrivate15checkWindowRoleEv
[10:07] <jc-denton> i did as written on the kubuntu page
[10:08] <jc-denton> also with the export
[10:08] <jc-denton> i want to try out klauncher now!! :(
[10:10] <mhb> jc-denton: do you mean krunner?
[10:11] <jc-denton> yes
[10:11] <mhb> jc-denton: well why don't you test it then?
[10:11] <jc-denton> humm
[10:11] <jc-denton> no program works
[10:11] <jc-denton> see above
[10:11] <mhb> jc-denton: not true, it works here (Gutsy, KDE4 beta)
[10:11] <jc-denton> well i have feisty
[10:12] <mhb> jc-denton: do you have KDE4 beta packages installed?
[10:12] <jc-denton> yes
[10:12] <jc-denton> but wait
[10:12] <jc-denton> kdelibs5 kdelibs5-dev
[10:12] <jc-denton> it could not install them
[10:13] <mhb> jc-denton: hmm, ask in #kubuntu support channel then
[10:13] <jc-denton> i did
[10:13] <jc-denton> they told me to ask here
[10:14] <mhb> jc-denton: actually, the new krunner launcher is no marvel in beta
[10:14] <mhb> jc-denton: I tried to run it from KDE3, it launches, but it can't really do anything useful
[10:15] <mhb> jc-denton: you can either launch a command if you write the exact comamnd or launch a konsole
[10:15] <jc-denton> humm
[10:16] <mhb> jc-denton: even KDE3's katapult can do more stuff at this point
[10:16] <jc-denton> http://rafb.net/p/WDjJbV29.html
[10:16] <jc-denton> katapult sucks
[10:16] <jc-denton> maybe we could hack up krunner
[10:17] <jc-denton> but i first have to get it running
[10:18] <mhb> jc-denton: I'm afraid I have no idea what the problem is.
[10:18] <jc-denton> hrmm
[10:18] <jc-denton> the instructions on the page looked so easy
[10:18] <jc-denton> did anybody try out the packaes on feisty actually?
[10:19] <ScottK> instructions on a page are often that way.  no sorry, not me.
[10:19] <mhb> jc-denton: yes, people did and it worked well for them
[10:19] <mhb> jc-denton: are you sure you have all the latest Feisty updates and that you didn't miss any step?
[10:20] <jc-denton> yes
[10:23] <jc-denton> ah wait
[10:23] <jc-denton> apt-get installs other stuff then aptitude
[10:23] <jc-denton> lol
[10:23] <jc-denton> first it did not work with apt-get now with aptitude
[10:23] <jc-denton> where is apt-work?
[10:27] <fdoving> Riddell: yes, you remember correctly, i have bluetooth.
[10:28] <jc-denton> now aptitude wants to remove all the things apt-get installed
[10:28] <jc-denton> looks completely broken to me
[10:29] <jc-denton> my other computer is still running edgy
[10:29] <jc-denton> i guess i cant install it there
[10:30] <nixternal> fdoving: I put the kdebluetooth package on my PPA, but it seems there is an issue with a libobex dep in the PPA
[10:30] <nixternal> jc-denton: katapult is far from "sucks"
[10:31] <jc-denton> nixternal: have you ever tried quicksilver?
[10:31] <fdoving> nixternal: PPA = personal package archive or something? (i'm like 1,5 weeks delayed in the online-world)
[10:31] <nixternal> what is quicksilver?
[10:31] <nixternal> fdoving: yes
[10:31] <fdoving> sounds like an apple-thing
[10:31] <fdoving> nixternal: from where did you get that kdebluetooth? url?
[10:31] <jc-denton> the thing katapult tries to be
[10:31] <nixternal> well seeing that I haven't used proprietary software since the 90s, that would be no
[10:32] <jc-denton> nixternal: do you have access to a mac?
[10:32] <jc-denton> if so try it out
[10:32] <jc-denton> if not search youtube
[10:32] <nixternal> fdoving: you just want my source files from the PPA so you can build it?
[10:32] <jc-denton> nixternal: quiksilver is what katapult tries to be
[10:32] <fdoving> nixternal: sure. that would be ok.
[10:32] <fdoving> nixternal: i'll go get my cell.. hang on.
[10:32] <jc-denton> eg you type ado, adobe or maybe just ad
[10:33] <jc-denton> then it shows you a list with the installed adobe software
[10:33] <jc-denton> and the first choice is the one you use most
[10:33] <nixternal> fdoving: http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/nixternal/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebluetooth/kdebluetooth_1.0~beta6~r698638-0ubuntu1.dsc
[10:33] <jc-denton> you can also type adboe
[10:33] <jc-denton> and it will work
[10:33] <nixternal> that is cool
[10:33] <jc-denton> yes
[10:33] <nixternal> that would probably be a fairly easy hack for Katapult to do the same I am sure...just gotta bop Mez in the head when he is around
[10:34] <jc-denton> so compared to it katapult does not look that easy
[10:34] <jc-denton> in what language is it written
[10:34] <jc-denton> in what language is krunner written
[10:34] <nixternal> will quicksilver open OpenOffice.org Writer by doing ->    o w
[10:34] <jc-denton> krunner should come with these capabilities
[10:35] <jc-denton> http://youtube.com/watch?v=lIJKvt8fsrA
[10:35] <jc-denton> this here shows quicksilver
[10:35] <mhb> jc-denton: I think it will have those, but it doesn't have them yet
[10:35] <jc-denton> but u can't read the fonts on the screen, unfortunately
[10:36] <jc-denton> mhb: would be cool
[10:36] <jc-denton> and a plugin system
[10:37] <jc-denton> so you can connect your mp3-, video player, browser, office, google suggest, etc to it
[10:45] <fdoving> nixternal: sorry about the delay, kid woke up, (2nd. night in own bedroom). building.
[10:48] <nixternal> roger
[10:49] <ScottK> Do we really need to be installing NTFS stuff by default?  Urgh.
[10:50] <jc-denton> yes
[10:50] <ScottK> Why
[10:50] <jc-denton> and also flash and all proprietary codes imho
[10:50] <jc-denton> because it sucks if you have to install them manually
[10:50] <ScottK> NTFS is only useful for people who are dual booting.
[10:51] <ScottK> I think it's defeatist to assume people will use Windows.
[10:52] <fdoving> nixternal: installed, what steps did you make to trigger this error?
[10:52] <nixternal> ahh, that error was a build problem with the PPAs...I don't have bluetooth to test it, hence why Riddell called you out :)
[10:53] <fdoving> nixternal: it built nicely, installed too, but it doesn't work..
[10:53] <nixternal> lol
[10:54] <mhb> ScottK: if we could, we would assume people are having all of the OSes in their systems
[10:54] <mhb> ScottK: how is the presence of a driver problematic to you?
[10:55] <mhb> ScottK: I mean - you surely have a driver for HFS in your system and you dont mind much
[10:56] <ScottK> I suppose.
[10:57] <ScottK> I just think it's not right to assume that Windows compatibility is something everyone cares about.
[10:57] <ScottK> I don't view NTFS support as "a file system that some people use, but I don't
[10:57] <ScottK> I view it as "Windows compatibliity cruft that's not even potentially of use to me"
[10:58] <jc-denton> well maybe not everybody
[10:58] <jc-denton> but 90% at least
[10:58] <mhb> ScottK: I think we can gain more users when "the software/driver is there when you need it"
[10:58] <fdoving> it's nice when you sometimes need to help customers recover their NTFS-stored critical data.
[10:58] <ScottK> RIght.
[10:58] <fdoving> some magic with a livecd and usb-disks.
[10:59] <ScottK> I guess I'll sit down and quit whining.
[10:59] <jc-denton> lol
[11:00] <mhb> ScottK: well, come back whining when this issue is the highest priority unfixed bug in Launchpad :o)
[11:00] <ScottK> Sure.
[11:01] <mhb> ScottK: oh, and if you have time for whining, perhaps you also have time to set up distcc on a slow box and a fast box together and then use delta debugging to target the bug in python-kde3/konsole kpart
[11:01] <mhb> (joke :o)
[11:07] <nixternal> has anything been said about getting nspluginwrapper and oo.o working again in Gutsy? this is the longest lasting break I have ever seen
[11:08] <fdoving> nixternal: i investigated that issue a while back. (around 2 weeks ago). and it's unclear to me where exactly the problem is.
[11:09] <fdoving> i'm kind of waiting for the novell/suse guys to figure it out :)
[11:20] <nixternal> haha
[11:21] <Riddell> kwwii: do you still have that sample kubuntu banner from last year?
[11:21] <Riddell> kwwii: it might be needed for froscon if we can't get the poster stand out of glasgow
[11:21] <kwwii> Riddell: not sure...which one?
[11:21] <kwwii> ahh, you mean the small printed one
[11:21] <kwwii> yes, I have it
[11:21] <Riddell> kwwii: you said you had a sample one from akademy 2007
[11:21] <kwwii> let me know if I can send it to you
[11:22] <Riddell> kwwii: froscon is in germany, I have an address it can go to
[11:22] <kwwii> great, let me know and I can send it tomorrow
[11:23] <kwwii> within germany normal post arrives within two days
[11:23] <kwwii> if it is close, 1 day
[11:25] <kwwii> btw. perhaps we should discuss UDS invitation-invitations
[11:26] <Riddell> kwwii: I put the names I have on that wiki page jono made, with this new conference format thingy I've no idea how many people we're likely to be able to invite
[11:27] <kwwii> Riddell: well, as far as artwork goes I was unsure who to invite, so I thought it might help if I invited some people as well
[11:28] <Riddell> sure
[11:28] <Riddell> but if you're unsure who to invite, who would you invite?
[11:28] <kwwii> ruphy and kevin
[11:29] <Riddell> kevin ottens?
[11:29] <kwwii> point being, if you have ideas let me know
[11:29] <Riddell> who's that other oxygen guy that has been doing tidying up?
[11:29] <Riddell> David Jonathon Miller
[11:30] <kwwii> I talked to him - he said he can't come
[11:30] <Riddell> ok
[11:32] <Riddell> well artwork people is something we're lacking so ruphy sure, kevin I always love to have around but he's been before and you'd need to have a reason
[11:36] <kwwii> right...I'll do what I can and see how it works out
[11:37] <Riddell> add them to the wiki page, always worth a shot
[11:54] <Riddell> kwwii: e-mailed about the poster with you in CC
[11:55] <kwwii> Riddell: received it...one thing to note is that the banner I have is horizontal in layout
[11:55] <kwwii> actually, I was not that far from nevesfelde on Sunday
[11:55] <Riddell> I believe they have a room rather than just a stand, there will be somewhere to put it as long as they bring string
[11:56] <kwwii> I can put a bit of string in with the banner, just in case
[11:57] <Riddell> :)
[11:58] <nixternal> g'nite sir


[00:05] <n0yd> ya 3.8 theming is a bit of a pain, i know they had changed some stuff alot from 3.6. It seems like none of themes work correctly, even if listed as 3.8
[00:06] <n0yd> But why I am able to use a 3.8 in the metacity-theme-viewer that doesnt load when you actually switch to it, is odd
[00:06] <n0yd> Cause the other themes that dont work wont even load in the viewer
[02:05] <darkxst> n0yd, gtk in general is a pain, breaks lots of things every cycle
[09:40] <hombibi> Hi all.
[09:41] <hombibi> Seems quiet here.
[09:42] <hombibi> All right, i'll come back later, bye.
[15:13] <atrus> anybody aware of an evolution-ews packages to go with ubuntu-gnome+gnome3-ppa+gnome3-staging?
[15:15] <atrus> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.desktop/4270 points to somebody looking into it anyways.
[17:44] <Linkeichi> None for helpme with my display issue?
[20:25] <alexxtasi> hi everyone. I want to enable my system's hibernation and I tried it following this https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html and also this http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation (those two links says almost the same steps...). Although my system can hibernate (when sudo pm-hibernate), there is no option on the menu (only Suspend and Power Off). I am using ubuntu 13.04, GNOME Shell 3.8.2 and
[22:28] <oko> Hello :-) can any one give info is there some difference between Ubuntu + Gnome Desktop and Ubuntu Gnome?
[22:32] <darkxst> oko, everything comes form the main archives, so Ubuntu + ubuntu-gnome-desktop = Ubuntu GNOME
[22:33] <darkxst> The only real difference is that you wont get all the Ubuntu/Unity dependencies if you install Ubuntu GNOME directly
[22:34] <oko> a, ok, thank You :-) Is good to know that.


[02:10] <ssarah_> hei guys, do-release-upgrade for 17.10 to 18.04 still doesn't work?
[02:11] <krytarik> Yes, it hasn't been opened for upgrade yet indeed.
[02:13] <ssarah_> Aight :) ty
[02:14] <ssarah_> https://jpg-cleaner.en.softonic.com/ <- you guys know if there is a sotware like this for linux?
[02:27] <krytarik> ssarah_: https://askubuntu.com/questions/260810/how-can-i-read-and-remove-meta-exif-data-from-my-photos-using-the-command-line - have a look at this.
[02:28] <ssarah_> i found it meanwhile, jpegoptim
[02:28] <ssarah_> but was looking for a more generic tool, for all media, mp4, avi, jpeg, mp3, to check if things are corrupted
[03:16] <Keeler> I am using an external Focusrite audio interface with Xubuntu 17.10. Everything works fine except when I run a libgdx app. With those I get little audio ticks and pops even when I run a simple app without sound. Any idea what could cause that? The same thing also happens with Linux Mint 18.3. And, I don't get any audio ticks and pops through my laptops built-in sound.
[06:41] <Spass> I know that's old stuff, but I want to know your opinion - I want to install 18.04 on my mother's old laptop, Celeron with 2 GB RAM, processor supports 64-bit, I can't decide what version to install there... any reasons for 32-bit?
[06:48] <MoL0ToV> i use ubuntu 16.04LTS why if i do: sudo do-release-upgrade says to me No new release found? ubuntu 18.04 is not available for upgrade?
[07:29] <MoL0ToV> after some minutes of audio streaming the chrome audio become noise. is a bug?
[07:33] <Spass> MoL0ToV, if you're using 16.04 and have your release updates set to "For the long-term releases only" you will not get an upgrade until the point release 18.04.1 will be released (July)
[07:33] <Spass> you can force an upgrade if you really need it, but it's not recommended
[07:34] <MoL0ToV> Spass, i only want to fix the firefox/chrome problem
[07:35] <MoL0ToV> for example if i listen youtube, after some minuter the audio become noise when as a radio il not receiving signal
[07:39] <Spass> and the issue doesn't occur when you listen to music in some music application or watch a movie in a movie player? only in browsers?
[07:43] <MoL0ToV> Spass, only in browser, if i close and restart the browser the audio works
[07:43] <MoL0ToV> for some minutes
[07:43] <MoL0ToV> the problem exist in chrome and in firefox
[08:48] <MoL0ToV> [ 5794.627822] perf interrupt took too long (2535 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50000 in dmesg what means?
[08:56] <antimist> quick question, my xubuntu 18, does not have the grub as a package installed on apt
[08:56] <antimist> is this normal
[08:56] <antimist> Since, grub commands and the actual grub screen works fine
[08:57] <antimist> /media/emanon/PiDrive/Backup/Ubuntu/Old_XUBUNTU/HOME/.irssi
[08:57] <antimist> ^ sorry about that
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> antimist:  do you have a /boot/grub folder ?
[09:01] <antimist> I do
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> it is strange that it isn't listed as a package
[09:02] <antimist> I just checked, for some reason grub doesn't show up on 'dpkg -l' but shows installed on 'apt show'
[09:02] <antimist> not sure why the discrepancy there
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> what apt command are you using ?
[09:02] <antimist> literally, 'sudo apt show grub2-common'
[09:03] <antimist> or apt list --installed
[09:03] <antimist> and grep on top
[09:04] <antimist> nvm
[09:04] <antimist> not an issue anyway
[09:04] <antimist> thanks for everything
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> a database error is what I'd put it down to
[09:05] <antimist> yeah, I did an apt update, now it works
[09:05]  * antimist shrugs
[09:05] <antimist> who knows
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> nothings broken so best to smile and move on :)
[09:12] <drb1> Does the notification manager show up for any of you on the latest update? Mine isn't.
[09:35] <knome> drb1, if you are following the LTS->LTS path, the upgrade isn't suggested to you yet, only after the .1 release
[09:38] <knome> Spass, if the processor has 64-bit architecture, there is very little reason to use a 32-bit OS
[09:39] <Spass> yeah, you're right, I'll go with 64-bit
[10:18] <Escimo> So yeah. I got 16.04 LTS, how do I make it upgrade to 18.04? I tried do-release-upgrade, not cigar
[10:19] <knome> Escimo, read what i wrote 3 lines ago...
[10:20] <Escimo> Ah, goddamnit, I keep forgetting about those point releases.. every damn LTS 🤦
[10:22] <Escimo> Thanks knome. I tried reading chat history from this weekend. Didn't read chat logs from "just now" 😁
[10:25] <knome> you are excused... this time
[11:36] <Guest76504> 	 1946 New Year Honours From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The 1946 New Year Honours were appointments by many of the Commonwealth Realms of King George VI to various orders and honours to reward and highlight good works by citizens of those countries, and to celebrate the passing of 1945 and the beginning of 1946. They were announced on 1 January 1946 for the United Kingdom,[1][2] and Dominions,[3] Canada,[4] the Union of S
[11:36] <Guest76504> 	 1946 New Year Honours From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The 1946 New Year Honours were appointments by many of the Commonwealth Realms of King George VI to various orders and honours to reward and highlight good works by citizens of those countries, and to celebrate the passing of 1945 and the beginning of 1946. They were announced on 1 January 1946 for the United Kingdom,[1][2] and Dominions,[3] Canada,[4] the Union of S
[11:36] <Guest76504> 	 1946 New Year Honours From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The 1946 New Year Honours were appointments by many of the Commonwealth Realms of King George VI to various orders and honours to reward and highlight good works by citizens of those countries, and to celebrate the passing of 1945 and the beginning of 1946. They were announced on 1 January 1946 for the United Kingdom,[1][2] and Dominions,[3] Canada,[4] the Union of S
[11:36] <Guest76504> 	 1946 New Year Honours From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The 1946 New Year Honours were appointments by many of the Commonwealth Realms of King George VI to various orders and honours to reward and highlight good works by citizens of those countries, and to celebrate the passing of 1945 and the beginning of 1946. They were announced on 1 January 1946 for the United Kingdom,[1][2] and Dominions,[3] Canada,[4] the Union of S
[11:36] <Guest76504> 	 1946 New Year Honours From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  The 1946 New Year Honours were appointments by many of the Commonwealth Realms of King George VI to various orders and honours to reward and highlight good works by citizens of those countries, and to celebrate the passing of 1945 and the beginning of 1946. They were announced on 1 January 1946 for the United Kingdom,[1][2] and Dominions,[3] Canada,[4] the Union of S
[13:21] <jollyjester> hello!
[14:03] <xubuntu-ed> .
[14:04] <xubuntu-ed> When will we see the online upgrade from xubuntu artful to bionic ?
[14:59] <MoL0ToV> on xfce xubuntu 18.04 when i disconnect a usb drive the warning message that says don't disconnect usb device writing in progress remains also after write is done
[14:59] <MoL0ToV> this bug is known?
[15:05] <fabioluciano> @MoL0ToV this is not a bug
[15:07] <MoL0ToV> on other systems (16.94) the message remain only for few seconds, on 18.04 remains forever
[15:11] <teraspora> hello ... I've never used IRC chat before but looking for support installing Xubuntu 18:04...
[15:14] <akxwi-dave> teraspora: best to ask your question and if anyone can hep they will answer
[15:15] <fabioluciano> @MoL0ToV the data is first write to ram "buffer" and after save to the usb device. To "force" the write to usb use the command sync. To verify what is pending use iotop
[15:17] <teraspora> First tried to upgrade from 17.04.  Used do-release-upgrade with -d flag.  This seemed to succeed after downloading >1GB packages, rebooted but no video.  Then tried a fresh install from the ISO.   Validated the MD5 checksum.  Installing on a modern 4-core Intel I7 laptop with 8GB RAM; tried 2 different USB sticks, tried with UEFI on and off.
[15:20] <fabioluciano> @teraspora the "no video" situation occours before or after the grub? You can enter some commands or nor?
[15:20] <teraspora> Every time the same: if I have no external monitor plugged in, at an early point the screen goes black and nothing more happens.   With an external monitor, the video starts on the laptop screen, thenthe monitor comes on, both showing the splash screen with Xubuntu logo in the middle, then the laptop screen goes off.   I can continue on the external monitor until I have to click "Change" for the partitioning menu.      Already tried nomodeset.
[15:22] <fabioluciano> you syslog shows anything?
[15:22] <teraspora> It's a modern Nvidia with 1GB
[15:23] <teraspora> yes I think the video issue is to do with the graphics
[15:24] <fabioluciano> which version of nvidia package are you using?
[15:25] <teraspora> which version of nvidia package?  Well, isn't the driver supposed to be on the xubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso?
[15:26] <teraspora> I can boot the boot-repair iso fine and it displays fine on both monitors
[15:27] <teraspora> Thanks for your help#fabioluciano :)
[15:29] <teraspora> I figured if I can get it installed ok I can install the latest nVidia driver thereafter
[15:31] <teraspora> But how to get past clicking "Change" in order to specify a root partition?  BTW I CAN get a terminal window instance.   Anything I can do from there?
[16:37] <vivus> what theme does xubuntu 14.04 use?
[17:14] <Spass> vivus, same as now, Greybird GTK and elementary-xfce icons
[17:35] <drb1> I know, too late, though, I couldn't wait. Guess I'll have to wait until .1 rolls around in July
[17:56] <vivus> Spass: do you know what is: vertex-maia ?
[17:58] <Spass> theme in Manjaro?
[17:58] <vivus> Spass: yes.
[17:58] <vivus> I dont see greybird as an option
[18:03] <Spass> so you're using Manjaro and you want to set a Greybird theme on it? it's probably available in the repos if you don't see it on your themes list, or you can download it from GitHub
[18:04] <flocculant> and I assume that manjaro have support options too - use those
[18:11] <vivus> yeah ill ask in their channel. just wanted to confirm the name here. ty
[20:17] <elvin_presler> Hello, has anyone found a good way to deal with gksu being removed in 18.04? Some programs don't work with admin:// and some like system-config-samba still try to start with gksu and won't run.
[20:26] <fabioluciano> @elvis_presler, i dont think that this is valid, but https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/
[20:26] <fabioluciano> you already tried... sorry
[20:30] <elvin_presler> Yeah, and system-config-samba still starts with the command in the menu shortcut as gksu system-config-samba and no amount of adding -pkexec and the like by me would make it work.
[20:31] <elvin_presler> guess I will just stay away from 18.04 for a while.
[21:45] <Zeioth> I don't have the option to zip files on right click
[21:46] <Zeioth> there's any way to have it back?
[23:13] <IhrFussel> Ctrl + - makes the font smaller in the terminal...how can I increase it again?
[23:13] <knome> ctrl++?
[23:15] <IhrFussel> knome, it wasn't like that in Xubuntu 16.04 ... I need ctrl + - for nano
[23:16] <IhrFussel> Any way to disable that feature?
[23:42] <IhrFussel> ctrl+shift+- seems to work in nano ... was it always like that? I don't think I had to hold down shift before to use the "jump to line" feature in nano


[00:04] <tumi123> can someone walk me through on how to install the latest version of libusb on xubuntu?
[00:05] <knome> by "latest", what do you mean?
[00:05] <tumi123> 1.0.21
[00:05] <knome> is it not available in the repositories?
[00:06] <tumi123> the version that i download from apt-get install libusb-dev is 0.1.12 which is old, i need a newer version specifically 1.0.16 or higher in order to get something that i want working
[00:07] <tumi123> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/libusb.html i download a package from here
[00:07] <tumi123> but im not sure how to install it
[00:07] <knome> which xubuntu version are you on?
[00:08] <tumi123> 16.10 lts
[00:08] <knome> and what do you need the latest version for?
[00:09] <tumi123> https://wiki.dolphin-emu.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_the_Official_GameCube_Controller_Adapter_for_Wii_U_in_Dolphin#Linux im trying to follow this guide in order to use the offical gamecube adapter on a program called Dolphin, which emulates wii and gamecube games
[00:09] <knome> "Linux support requires libusb version 1.0.16 or greater."
[00:10] <tumi123> yep
[00:10] <knome> the libusb version in 16.10 is 1.0.20
[00:10] <knome> so you don't need .21
[00:11] <knome> sudo apt install libusb-1.0.0(-dev)
[00:11] <knome> (-dev if you for some reason need the development version)
[00:12] <tumi123> thank you so much
[00:12] <tumi123> sorry im very new to linux
[00:12] <tumi123> i appreciate it
[00:13] <knome> we all need to start somewhere
[00:13] <knome> when you start seeing stuff like "./configure" and "make", ask yourself if you *really* need that thing
[00:13] <knome> for clarity, those lines mean you'll start building packages by hand, which is in most cases not needed
[02:50] <peeps[lappy]> i want a linux on my keychain.  i got one of these drives: https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-128GB-Flash-MUF-128BB-AM/dp/B017DH3O5A  thinking of putting xubuntu on it
[02:52] <peeps[lappy]> i guess I'm wondering how i should partition it, i want to have one partition that I can just use for general storage on any host OS(like usb flash is normally used for), so that would need to be FAT i think, would it matter the order, which partition is the FAT?
[02:53] <krytarik> peeps[lappy]: Nope.
[02:54] <krytarik> !partition
[02:59] <peeps[lappy]> anything in particular to do for a live flash distro, is it going to have problems going between different hardware configurations?
[03:01] <cfhowlett> peeps[lappy], step 1.  boot hardware from USB        step 2.  note any problems.    step 3. ask about actual issues.
[03:02] <peeps[lappy]> cfhowlett, i want something that will be as compatible as possible with various hardware, so i can load it up on any computer.  not just one specific computer
[03:03] <cfhowlett> no guarantees but lubuntu should work on most legacy systems
[03:04] <krytarik> peeps[lappy]: Just put a Live image on it then, with or without persistence.
[03:11] <peeps[lappy]> how do i configure persistence
[03:11] <cfhowlett> !persistence | peeps[lappy]
[03:13] <peeps[lappy]> ok, thanks
[03:14] <cfhowlett> happy2help! peeps[lappy]
[03:17] <krytarik> peeps[lappy]: Some USB burning tools have an option for it - that's a bit long-winded there.
[04:05] <guy> Hello
[04:06] <guy> I have a xubuntu question if anyone isn't afk.
[04:08] <krytarik> guy: Just asking is how IRC works usually.
[04:09] <guy> Alright
[04:10] <guy> I've recently started using xubuntu and notice that the audio mixer doesn't seem to auto switch over volume control to the active output device.
[04:11] <guy> It keeps the volume control on the non-used audio device (internal laptop speakers) instead of sending them over to the active audo device (external speakers.)
[04:20] <peeps[lappy]> krytarik, yeah i'm still kinda mixed up here, do you know if any USB burning tool has option to make a separate partition that I could use with to r/w from windows host?
[04:21] <krytarik> peeps[lappy]: Well, generally you create that separately.
[04:21] <peeps[lappy]> is the casper-rw partition the same parition that holds the OS, or are they 2 different ones.  i think i need 3 total partitions?
[04:22] <peeps[lappy]> OS, persistence, and windows-compatible storage
[04:23] <guy> Found the solution to my own question here. https://askubuntu.com/questions/113704/make-pulseaudio-prefer-external-audio-device
[04:27] <guy> Does anyone know how to set the right click menu to trigger on release of mouse button instead on press?
[05:55] <walrider> there isnt a iso for xubuntu server 14.04.4 :(
[06:02] <walrider> :D
[15:35] <xubuntu55w> Good morning. I would like to learn to set CPU governor to performance on my laptop easily. Right now it scales from 480 MHz to 2.16 MHz
[17:05] <zincing> Probably the simplest question this evening. The screen on my laptop is darker than normal. How do I change this setting? Xubuntu 16.04
[17:15] <zincing> Found it - easy when know how :-)
[20:49] <xubuntu24w> \help How can I turn the dolby surround on? (Thinkpad X1)
[21:53] <sage78> hello im having wierd issues with the battery indicator in xubuntu 16.04. most of the time it doesnt show the charging icon when its charging and right now i dont have it plugged in and it actually says its charging .   any help is appreciated.


[10:51] <pavlushka> Good Day Kilos :)
[10:52] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[10:52] <Kilos> i been up 2 hours and ready to sleep again
[10:52] <Kilos> must be getting old
[10:53] <pavlushka> Kilos: good that you can sleep, most of the people at your age has problems with sleep :)
[10:54] <Kilos> lol
[10:54] <u-la-la> Kilos: lol
[10:54] <Kilos> actually 4 hours i see now
[11:14] <pavlushka> 4 hours is better :)
[17:04] <pavlushka> welcome zaki
[17:06] <zaki> pavlushka: ty
[17:06] <zaki> hi Kilos-
[17:06] <Kilos-> hi zaki pavlushka
[17:07] <pavlushka> Hello again Kilos- :)
[17:08] <Kilos-> haha
[17:10] <zaki> Kilos-: how are you now?
[17:13] <pavlushka> .fc Johannesburg
[17:13] <u-la-la> [Johannesburg, South Africa] WED: 83.9F (28.8C) / 55.2F (12.9C), Dew: 41.4F (5.2C), Wind: 1.3mph (2.1kmh), Clear throughout the day. | THU: 87.1F (30.6C) / 52.1F (11.2C), Dew: 50.6F (10.3C), Wind: 2.7mph (4.4kmh), Clear throughout the day.
[17:14] <u-la-la> [Johannesburg, South Africa] FRI: 90.8F (32.7C) / 50.3F (10.2C), Dew: 44.5F (6.9C), Wind: 2.6mph (4.1kmh), Clear throughout the day. | SAT: 93.0F (33.9C) / 53.0F (11.7C), Dew: 43.3F (6.3C), Wind: 2.7mph (4.3kmh), Clear throughout the day. (Powered by Dark Sky, darksky.net)
[17:17] <Kilos-> ok ty
[17:30] <pavlushka> :)


[00:03] <Steedalion> Does anyone use compiz on Lxde? Is it any good? Will it help with gaming?
[00:05] <wxl> i'm sure someone uses it. it's great if you want to tie up your system resources in a bunch of needless eyecandy, so no, it probably won't help with gaming :)
[00:07] <Steedalion> It's just the screen tearing that I have a problem with.
[00:07] <Steedalion> I don't want to struggle for hours but if it integrates smoothly I'd like to try it.
[00:08] <wxl> probably driver issues more than anything
[00:08] <wxl> but if you want just try a simple compositor, load up compton
[00:09] <lynorian> I honestly am not bothered by screen tearing at all I can't notice it
[00:16] <Steedalion> Cool, I'll investigate.
[00:18] <Steedalion> So @wxl do I just set it to use openGL for rendering and disable all the sparkles?
[00:19] <wxl> Steedalion: sure.
[00:20] <Steedalion> Thanks.
[00:56] <Steedalion> Okay so I got it to work, no hassel. It is actually installed on 18.04 by defaut. Some findings to anyone interested.
[00:57] <Steedalion> Gaming, was a no-no. The game has it's own rendering thing and having 2 running (compton+game) has no benefit.
[00:57] <Steedalion> Firefox renders a bit faster.
[00:58] <Steedalion> Lxde has a bit of window lag when dragging. Funny I use lxqt in a VM and that lag wasn't present. LXQT (even in a VM) handles the rendering better. Strange but a good sign for QT,
[00:59] <wxl> well qt is way more modern
[00:59] <wxl> gtk2 which is what lxde is... is not
[00:59] <wxl> gtk3 is better, but still..
[03:11] <xdruppi> how can i help with Lubuntu development?
[04:29] <xdruppi> why is that lubuntu 18.04 LTS has only python3
[04:29] <xdruppi> but lubuntu 18.10 has both python2 and 3?
[04:57] <yu99ie> go ask the python people
[05:42] <podlech> hi, after installing lubuntu 18.10, I started facing the same issue as https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/10/msg00007.html. What do you recommend me to do?
[05:44] <podlech> I installed 4.15.0-1024-oem to get acpi work again. How can this get fixed in 4.18?
[18:05] <xdruppi> why did Lubuntu change from low-end systems to something different?
[18:05] <apt-ghetto> Why do you think this?
[18:06] <apt-ghetto> It is moving away from old (very old) hardware
[18:06] <wxl> we just don't make decisions exclusively on low-end systems only
[18:08] <xdruppi> i think it's an interesting approach and I'm really liking Lubuntu as a new user, but I kinda got rather.. confused? if this is supposed to be lightweight, why not be as much as possible
[18:09] <wxl> because that involves a system that has no graphics, technically
[18:09] <xdruppi> don't get me wrong though, im pretty sure most modern computers can handle lubuntu really well
[18:09] <apt-ghetto> how do you define "lightweight"?
[18:09] <xdruppi> wxl is right though
[18:09] <wxl> actually "light as possible" would mean custom compiling a kernel with only the drivers you wanted
[18:09] <wxl> maybe skipping initramfs
[18:09] <wxl> etc etc etc
[18:10] <xdruppi> apt-ghetto: hmm... im not sure, honestly when I think of "Lightweight" i think of the most simple stuff, not even configuration options
[18:10] <xdruppi> oh well, it was just an opinion
[18:10] <xdruppi> i guess theres much more to it
[18:10] <wxl> lubuntu is a balance between light and low footprint
[18:13] <xdruppi> wxl: sounds about right
[19:17] <xdruppi> i feel like an idiot mentioning this, but the 18.10 lubuntu update was really great, except the soundtrack in the background
[19:17] <xdruppi> i mean
[19:17] <xdruppi> the video...
[19:17] <wxl> ?
[19:20] <wxl> in case it's not clear, i have zero idea what you're referring to, xdruppi
 soundtrack in the background? Maybe the wallpaper?
[19:22] <xdruppi> on the download part of lubuntu website, there's a video on 18.10 update
[19:22] <xdruppi> although i shouldn't mention it here considering nobody is the creator of that video
[19:22] <xdruppi> in here
[19:23] <xdruppi> the song in the background of that video makes it really look unprofessional
[19:23] <wxl> where is this?
[19:23] <wxl> provide the link
[19:23] <xdruppi> https://lubuntu.me/cosmic-released/
[19:23] <xdruppi> i dont know, maybe im exaggerating
[19:23] <wxl> i don't find it bad at all
[19:24] <wxl> i've heard similar jingles in other commercials
[19:24] <xdruppi> i've heard that song so many times
[19:24] <xdruppi> i think it has lost its status as a song
[19:24] <xdruppi> for me
[19:25] <wxl> there's no accounting for taste
 ah, the video from YT! XD
 Elevator Sountrack
[19:26] <xdruppi> yeah
[19:41] <xdruppi> can someone tell me about this thing
[19:41] <xdruppi> snapd?
[19:41] <xdruppi> is ubuntu people changing it for apt?
 NOT us
 We will likely never ship snaps by default unless forced.
[19:46] <xdruppi> tsimonq2: whats the problem with snaps?
[19:46] <xdruppi> just curious
[19:46] <teward> xdruppi: that's a long rabbit hole you don't want to go down just now
[19:46] <teward> trust me
[19:46] <teward> and trust wxl who knows more about it than me :p
[19:47] <teward> *tasers @tsimonq2 before he can reply*
[19:47] <xdruppi> teward: alright, i'll trust ya
[19:48] <teward> xdruppi: see PMs.
 They have a 30 second start time, desktop integration is nonexistent, Canonical's snap store is proprietary, snaps are huge, all snaps are automounted and continue to be even when the latest revision is being used, there's no seeded snap policy when there clearly should be one, and we have no need to because apt packages do everythin
 @teward [<teward> *tasers @tsimonq2 before he can reply*], Just took me a while. :P
 That's just the surface level complaints.
[19:49] <teward> tsimonq2: you need to write a manifesto and post it somewhere
 Hah
[19:49] <teward> that way you don't drag others into the rabbit hole via IRC or support mediums
[19:49] <xdruppi> hm...
 Plus, the marketing team seems to be double the size of the development team. :P
 Ok, FLATPAKS and APPIMAGES.
 jus kidding
[19:55] <wxl> discover supports them all
[19:55]  * wxl ducks
 @wxl [<wxl> discover supports them all], They do
 But my question is
 (Document) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/l2BEWLvs/file_4714.mp4
[19:56] <wxl> you know the answer
[19:56] <wxl> you just don't like it
 i only tested one snap because it has a giraffe
[19:57] <wxl> wow that's random
 lol
 i know
 @Wolfenprey [i only tested one snap because it has a giraffe], OHMYGIRAFFE
 YAAAS
 hahaha
 I did compile that by myself out of spite. :P
 maybe i want to compile it
 my daughter loves that game
 (me too, but nevermind)
[22:23] <xdruppi> does anybody know ho can i set up quassel to connect automatically to my account?


[10:47] <nicoz-> hi Kilos- ;)
[10:47] <nicoz-> how are you today?
[11:04] <Kilos-> not too bad ty
[11:04] <Kilos-> sleeping lots
[11:10] <nicoz-> I’m glad, yesterday I saw you feeling a little down
[11:10] <nicoz-> ;)


[00:13] <xuanrui> BTW, any recommendations for NVIDIA drivers?
[00:13] <xuanrui> ^in 18.04
[00:19] <xuanrui> also webupd8's java package seems not to work yet..
[01:29] <omarv> brainwash:I did boot live, but not run directly from USB, same error..
[01:29] <xuanrui> nvm webupd8 wasn't a ubuntu problem, package mans didn't update it
[01:30] <omarv> brainwash: how could I share you the photos of boot screen?
[01:33] <omarv> brainwash: now Iḿ doubting if there is a HW problem,..I changed the hard disk with Windows 10, and it start properly,..no see HW problem
[01:43] <xuanrui> How can I get fcitx-libs-qt working in 18.04?
[01:44] <xuanrui> I got: Version of fcitx-libs-qt on system, provided by libfcitx-qt0:amd64, is <none>.
[01:48] <xuanrui> ^that was fixed, but is there a way to just replace the default thing (ibus?) with fcitx entirely?
[01:49] <omarv> hi, who can take case from brainwash ?, I need to fix it ASASP...
[01:50] <omarv> ASAP: As soon as posible
[01:50] <xuanrui> False alarm, not fixed..
[03:07] <xuanrui>  fixed the IME problem, but still had random freeze problems
[03:07] <xuanrui> it happens usually on the login screen
[03:07] <xuanrui> if I happen to successfully log in then everything's usually OK
[03:08] <xuanrui> is this a known problem?
[03:26] <xuanrui> (thought it might be a driver problem, unfortunately nvidia drivers result in blinking screeen
[03:26] <xuanrui> screen
[03:30] <xuanrui> BTW, how do we get a TTY in 18.04?
[03:33] <xuanrui> ^found
[03:53] <quidnunc> Shouldn't avahi-daemon.service Daemonize the process?
[04:29] <BionicMac> Hello. I updated my 18.04 nstall easlier tonight adn afetr the upgrades, which were extensive about 120+ packages, the ubuntu Universe and Multi-verse repos are no longer there in my list. Was that intended during the updates?
[04:58] <BionicMac> Nevermind I was mistaken.
[06:17] <leutak> Hey guys, is there anybody with knowledge about /etc/netplan/ and static ip? When i change this to static, as 2nd example here: https://netplan.io/examples the default route to gateway is not there anymore, vm offline..
[06:17] <leutak> it looks like netplan is ignoring my gateway in .yml , instead of 3 routes (ip show route) there is only 1 route.. bug?
[06:22] <valorie> leutak: there is #netplan here on freenode
[06:26] <leutak> valorie: oh, thx
[10:59] <ANSCH> hey im trying out ubuntu 18.04 server, but i get ssl error every time i try to contact a remote https server, ssl error using both curl and wget. Tried installing openssl1.0 in case that was needed, but it didnt help. Dont know how to troubleshoot it really. curl shows error "(35) SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL", openssl s_client shows me "write:errno=104"
[11:01] <ANSCH> some sites seem to work, some not
[11:05] <brainwash> ANSCH: a quick search gives https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/1520
[11:45] <eoli3n> Hi
[11:46] <eoli3n> will netboot installer be realease the same day that desktop installer ?
[11:56] <andreas__> Hello, I've recorded some graphic glitch concerning the gnome-greeter. I'm wondering where I might find people interested in that? Should I create a bug-report? If so, where and how, or should I ask somewhere else? https://streamable.com/o598h
[11:57] <andreas__> Sorry about the focus, I've cracked the lens-glass on the cam :/
[12:02] <ducasse> !bug | andreas__
[12:37] <omarv_> brainwash: are you there ?
[12:38] <brainwash> yes omarv_
[12:40] <omarv_> I would like to send you photo of boot starting,.  could you share you email or something..?
[12:41] <brainwash> can't you upload it to an online image hosting service?
[12:42] <brainwash> like https://imgur.com/upload
[12:43] <omarv_> ok, I will try
[13:02] <omarv_> brainwash: https://imgur.com/a/pyb7VX0
[13:10] <brainwash> omarv_: were you able to boot into live mode from the 18.04 iso/usb?
[13:11] <omarv_> no,
[13:12] <omarv_> I made USB bootable with Ubuntu 18.04, I choose Try without installing , and it stop and non continue
[13:13] <brainwash> I would test this https://askubuntu.com/questions/771899/pcie-bus-error-severity-corrected
[13:14] <brainwash> also, another page mentions pcie_aspm=off
[13:14] <omarv_> I change the hard disk and put a new one with windows 10, and it start normally, so I discard HW problem..I think
[13:15] <brainwash> the issue could be caused by the nvidia driver
[13:15] <omarv_> yes Im doing that..
[13:16] <brainwash> so, test with pci=nomsi OR pci=noaer OR pcie_aspm=off
[13:16] <omarv_> ok
[13:17] <omarv_> need I to chabe
[13:17] <omarv_> need I to change /etc/default/grub ? going to recovery mode ?
[13:20] <brainwash> you change it while GRUB is showing during boot
[13:20] <brainwash> see your first screenshot
[13:20] <omarv_> ok
[13:21] <brainwash> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[13:22] <omarv_> ok
[13:40] <yogg> Hi
[13:41] <yogg> I try to set up a ubuntu 18.04 machine as an domain member, I have done the same steps as on 16.04 (same packages), I have nearly the same samba config (there where only minor chages with the new version)
[13:43] <yogg> the "net ads join" works, wbinfo -u and wbinfo -g also work, but wbinfo -i mytestuser returns an error(failed to call wbcGetpwnam: WBC_ERR_DOMAIN_NOT_FOUND)
[13:43] <yogg> also "getparm passwd" only returns the local users
[13:44] <yogg> has someone an idea what I have done wrong?
[13:52] <yogg> in the log I see a line like this: "Could not convert sid S-1-5-21-1209322253-1999911125-1235562139-500: NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER"
[13:53] <yogg> if I do an "wbinfo -S S-1-5-21-1209322253-1999911125-1235562139-500" on the 16.04 machine I get back "-1" which is ok because of the "winbind enum users = yes" line in smb.conf
[14:37] <en1gma> when i try to add ppa's following this guide "https://discourse.myriadrf.org/t/howto-install-gqrx-gnuradio-soapysdr-pothosware-limesuite-on-ubuntu/2402" i keep getting apt-secure errors
[14:37] <en1gma> can someone help me out with that? never had that problem before with apt
[14:58] <en1gma> anyone?
[15:01] <brainwash> en1gma: do those PPAs support 18.04 (bionic) yes?
[15:01] <brainwash> yet
[15:03] <brainwash> other than that, share the whole terminal output
[15:03] <brainwash> via a pastebin service like https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:04] <brainwash> yogg: I would ask in the samba channel
[15:04] <brainwash> yogg: people over there should know how to debug your issue
[15:04] <yogg> kk thx
[15:12] <en1gma> brainwash im not sure if those PPS's work with 18.04. one sec ill do a pastebin. there are alot of PPA's in that link above that i was trying to add. i think all of give similar errors. gimmie a min and will copy and paste to pastebin
[15:14] <en1gma> brainwash https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SYBZgzktxj/
[15:14] <simonizor_> > alot of PPA's in that link above I was trying to add
[15:14] <simonizor_> You should probably stop yourself right there lol
[15:15] <simonizor_> If you're trying to add more than like 5 or 6 PPAs tops, you're gonna have a bad time
[15:16] <en1gma> hmmm
[15:16] <en1gma> its a guide and its supposed to work. maybe i should reinstall with 16.04
[15:16] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/~gqrx/+archive/ubuntu/gqrx-sdr/
[15:17] <brainwash> does not have packages for 18.04
[15:17] <en1gma> i hate to do that. i just did a complete fresh install of 18.04 about 4 days ago
[15:17] <en1gma> ohhhh maybe i need to build my own
[15:17] <brainwash> are you aware that 18.04 final is not out yet?
[15:18] <brainwash> well, I suggest contacting the PPA maintainer(s)
[15:20] <en1gma> yea in a week it is though right?
[15:20] <en1gma> all those ppa maintainers i need to contact?
[15:22] <brainwash> not all of them
[17:08] <omarv_> +z
[17:11] <omarv_> brainwash: Finally I got up the system !.. but Iḿs affraid to restart again. I did sudo apt-get update & sudo apt-get upgrade, in order to ensure it.. any advise to double check and avoid future errors ?
[18:22] <Mittles> Mittles> hey I'm wondering if anyone can reproduce this error with Minecraft.jar https://i.imgur.com/HRzRl8J.png I've tried just about everything with purging and reinstalling the certs for openjdk
[18:29] <brainwash> Mittles: did you run "sudo update-ca-certificates -f"?
[18:30] <Mittles> yep
[18:31] <brainwash> what about removing "-XX:+CMSIncrementalMode" from the start up command?
[18:32] <genii> Is your cert in the relative path ?
[18:33] <Mittles> brainwash: no difference
[18:33] <Mittles> genii: not sure
[18:41] <Mittles> https://askubuntu.com/questions/971059/17-10-openjdk-and-oracle-jdk-8-and-9-the-trustanchors-parameter-must-be-non-empt
[18:42] <Mittles> purging everything mentioned then installing strictly openjdk-8-jre worked
[18:44] <Mittles> and now 9 works
[18:44] <Mittles> I think that 9 isn't pulling in the certs properly
[18:46] <brainwash> bug 1743139
[18:46] <brainwash> I suggest adding your findings to that report
[19:03] <Mittles> brainwash: done
[19:05] <Andreas__> Hello, I've got something strange going on. After a fresh install I can't login to a wayland session unless I first login to xorg, remove the trash icon (the only icon) or disable all desktop icons. Then I can switch to a wayland session. Anyone know what that is about?
[19:12] <Andreas__> Or rather then can't, it freezes and throws me back to the login screen again.
[19:17] <Andreas__> Just tried turning it back on, in the wayland session, and that seems to work fine. It's there, and not crashing anymore. I wonder if it has to do with me changing to "single display", for some reason it detects my unplugged vga connector as a display.
[19:18] <nacc> Andreas__: wayland is still a tech preivew in 18.04, not sure how big of a priority it is right now
[19:22] <Andreas__> nacc: Okay, thanks. I'll look into other stuff instead. Like characters intermittently missing from the greeter.
[19:23] <nacc> Andreas__: seems more worthwhile :)
[19:49] <Andreas__> How should missing characters from the greeter be reported? I'm unsure about what package is at fault, etc. ref: https://imgur.com/a/iK7BH
[19:52] <brainwash> Andreas__: gdm3
[19:52] <brainwash> open a terminal window and run "ubuntu-bug gdm3"
[19:52] <Andreas__> brainwash: thanks.
[19:53] <brainwash> oh. did you test gdm3 on xorg vs. wayland yet?
[19:53] <brainwash> I recall suggesting doing that
[19:56] <genii> Andreas__: Do you have an Intel video card?
[19:59] <howarth> Playing with CloudReady Chrome OS on a MacPro with HD2600 XT graphics, I noticed something interesting. While the bionics video drivers produce tearing in Netflix playback, the video drivers in Chrome OS do not.
[20:00] <howarth> I assume it must be a drm thing but you really don't seem to have access to dig down Chrome OS to see the details of the video drivers.
[20:00] <Andreas__> brainwash: Oh, forgot that once I reinstalled once again. adding something to the boot command in grub was it? could you remind me again? genii: intel + nvidia optimus 620m, currently using nouveau drivers.
[20:00] <Mittles> howarth: be sure you're turning on gpu acceleration in your browser
[20:00] <howarth> I am using google-chrome-stable
[20:01] <howarth> or are you talking about flash?
[20:01] <Mittles> doesn't use flash
[20:01] <genii> Andreas__: Might have been nomodeset
[20:01] <howarth> not so sure about that
[20:01] <Mittles> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/enable-hardware-acceleration-in-chrome.html
[20:02] <Andreas__> genii: Ah, that's it. Thanks.
[20:02] <howarth> when I played with Chrome OS, I had to enable flash to get the browser to play Netflix videos
[20:02] <genii> np
[20:02] <Mittles> Netflix doesn't use Flash
[20:02] <Mittles> It uses Widevine
[20:03] <Mittles> You can enable that in Firefox now too
[20:03] <howarth> well I had to enable all the extra non-free options
[20:03] <howarth> one of them was required as the default didn't work
[20:03] <howarth> but this was under CloudReady's Chrome OS
[20:04] <Mittles> read the article
[20:05] <Mittles> Also the gpu drivers you're using are relevant
[20:07] <howarth> radeon with changes recommended in https://cubethethird.wordpress.com/2016/06/14/eliminate-screen-tearing-with-amd-gpu-on-ubuntu/
[20:07] <howarth> the tearing isn't horrible but is visible once every few minutes in playback
[20:08] <howarth> basically like a scan line rupturing in random places
[20:08] <howarth> I was wondering if any of that could be related to the mesa in use
[20:09] <howarth> I have been annoyed that the bionic mesa is still -rc despite the 8.0 release having been out for awhile now
[20:10] <howarth> Unless they are waiting to start sampling out of the 8.1 mesa branch
[20:11] <Mittles> you really need to just turn on hardware acceleration
[20:13] <Mittles> it's off on radeon by default
[20:13] <Mittles> should work fine
[20:13] <howarth> So that is a google decision to turn it off?
[20:14] <Mittles> it's just off by default
[20:14] <Mittles> i sent you the instructions to turn it on
[20:14] <Mittles> chrome://flags
[20:15] <howarth> I'll have to check under Chrome OS to see if it is enabled there
[20:30] <Andreas__> brainwash: that seems to have fixed the missing characters. but i might have broken something else, booting took 3x the time. changing the boot sequence from 10 seconds to: 5 sec blank screen -> "black flicker" (turning display off/on, or changing gfx output or something) -> 20-30 sec blank screen -> ubuntu logo for 2 sec -> greeter showing up. think I'll try a fresh install again, then retry the debugging steps, so
[20:30] <Andreas__> I don't mess this up. thanks for the help thus far.
[22:16] <sublime48> Hi. I'm having trouble with Intel AC 9560 wi-fi on 18.04 beta2
[22:16] <sublime48> I can provide lshw output
[22:17] <sublime48> Connectivity works, but I can't get above 3 Mbps on a 100 Mbps net connection
[22:17] <sublime48> Other devices on the network get full speed
[22:24] <sublime48> this is on a Gigabyte H370 mobo using the new Intel CNVi tech
[23:05] <omarv> brainwash: Restarted,, everything is ok,..thanks for your help and support,...
[23:19] <brief> are there any needed steps before do-release-upgrade -d? I'm getting "BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key (2012<EMAIL_ADDRESS>eventhough apt-key update lists the key C0B21F32
[23:26] <tomreyn> brief: what are you yupgrading from / to ? lsb_release -ds
[23:36] <brief> 16.04.4 to 18.04.
[23:37] <brief> pff, now, it's working
[23:37] <brief> I thought I have to search for MitM
[23:41] <tomreyn> the message "BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key (2012<EMAIL_ADDRESS>specifically suggests that this very signing key is already available, just a signature which semed to have been made by this key (or its private part) was deemed to be incorrect.