[04:04] <hrjoey> does anybody know a method to fix the failed shutdown issue with ubuntu 12.04?
[04:04] <holstein> hrjoey: what hardware? what issue?
[04:04] <holstein> hrjoey: i would check for updates, and try maybe some different kernels
[04:05] <hrjoey> custom build. the issue is that no matter how i attempt to shut down my system, the system begins the shutdown procedure, but then fails at the shutdown screen with the loading bar
[04:06] <hrjoey> it only happens if i use the computer for a few minutes. if i turn it on and turn it off right away its fine. if i open one application though and then try to shutdown, the shtudown fails
[04:07] <hrjoey> i also have installed all available updates through the update manager
[04:08] <holstein> hrjoey: i would say, go to stock ubuntu and see how its working
[04:10] <Yos> I'd try the live cd, see if the same thing happens on it
[04:11] <holstein> yup.. the live CD would be easy
[04:12] <hrjoey> i have tried the live cd previously, and it seemed to work a little more often, but the shutdown problem seems to still exist
[04:12] <hrjoey> could it be a driver issue?
[04:15] <holstein> hrjoey: more often?
[04:15] <holstein> hrjoey: the drivers are in the kernel, so thats waht i was poposing. but im not sure about your customizations
[04:16] <hrjoey> when i booted up the live cd it shutdown properly about 1 in every 5 times i used applications and then shut down the computer
[04:17] <holstein> hrjoey: i would shutdown from the terminal.. and report errors
[04:18] <hrjoey> im sorry, didnt realize the drivers are in the kernel. my knowledge is fairly novice when it comes to linux. i just built my first computer and am installing linux because i am an IT student and realize Linux is vital to my future career.
[04:20] <hrjoey> i have tried to shutdown using commands such as shutdown now and shutdown -h now, with no success
[04:20] <holstein> hrjoey: ok.. but what are the errors?
[04:21] <holstein> sudo shutdown -h now
[04:22] <hrjoey> i honestly dont know how to check for the errors, its just fails at the gui screen for the shutdown process, and i dont know how to read the log files from there
[04:22] <holstein> hrjoey: there should be no GUI screen
[04:22] <holstein> hrjoey: you should be in a terminal, and type "sudo shutdown -h now"
[04:22] <holstein> then, it'll either shutdown, or it should spit out an error
[04:22] <holstein> or hang somewhere
[04:23] <hrjoey> oh okay, yes. when i tried before it went into a never ending loop
[04:23] <holstein> hrjoey: a loop of what?
[04:23] <hrjoey> i tried to read the information it displayed, but it kept scrolling through too fast for me to read the errors
[04:23] <holstein> hrjoey: i would test the hardware too
[04:23] <holstein> the ram and the hard drive
[04:24] <hrjoey> if you would like i could provide you with the make a model of my hardware?
[04:25] <holstein> i would just dump it in a search ... but feel free
[04:27] <hrjoey> AMD FX-6200 Six Core 3.8 GHz Processor ASUS M5A99X EVO Motherboard ASUS Radeon HD 6850 EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Video Card CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W Power Supply Western Digital Carviar WD1002FAEX 1TB 64MB Cache 7200RPM  G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900)
[04:29] <holstein> hrjoey: i was thinking more like from the terminal.. lspci
[04:30] <holstein> but, i would still just search that in the forums.. see if anyone is having the same issues
[04:31] <hrjoey> ok thank you for all the help, hopefully i can use your help and fix these problems in the next few days.
[04:31] <holstein> hrjoey: i bet you'll probably find you actually dont have any operating system issues at all
[04:32] <hrjoey> ok, so youre saying focus on the kernel and hardware?
[04:32] <holstein> hrjoey: it wont hurt to test the ram and the hard drive
[04:32] <hrjoey> ok thanks again
[07:59] <s-fox> Hello :)
[12:24] <irkinosor> hi there,
[12:25] <Yos_> hello
[12:25] <irkinosor> I just install U12.04 and I can connect to the internet event with the correct proxy setting
[12:25] <irkinosor> on firefox and chronium
[12:26] <irkinosor> I can download packages however very well
[12:26] <irkinosor> What should I do?
[12:26] <Yos> well, you are connected to the internet with it now, right ?
[12:27] <irkinosor> Or you can see I can connect on the IRC so I don't understand why Firefox and Chronium are not working!!
[12:27] <Yos> are you using a proxy ?
[12:27] <irkinosor> yes
[12:28] <Yos> Then it must be something with your proxy/proxy settings
[12:29] <irkinosor> what do you mean. If I can use the IRC channels or the U software Center it means that my proxy is set-up correctly right???
[12:33] <irkinosor> A note: I was using U11.10 yesterday and my internet connection with the same setting worked perfectly... when I upgraded to U12.04 that's when I couldn't connect any more with the previous working proxy setting
[12:38] <geirha> irkinosor: Try switching to the guest account and see if you can connect with firefox/chromium there
[12:39] <irkinosor> ok. Is my IRC connection gonna be closed?
[12:40] <Yos> when you log out, yes
[12:40] <geirha> Click your name in the upper right corner, then click guest session. And no, the irc session will not be closed. You can switch back and forth between users.
[12:47] <irkinosor> hey @geirha it is working there and I notice that not network systemis set-up though, just set it on firefox
[12:47] <irkinosor> So what now?
[12:48] <geirha> Not sure I understand the last bit you said, but it sounds like the problem is with your firefox and chromium settings
[12:48] <irkinosor> Btw ubuntu had a internal error when I switch back to my personal session
[12:48] <geirha> Oh? did it say which program failed?
[12:49] <irkinosor> I don't know , I try to submit the error but it satrt asking to go to support over the internet or some... I just cancel after one trial failed
[12:50] <irkinosor> I was saying that I used the same proxy setting on the guest session and it work.
[12:50] <geirha> Oh. Odd.
[12:51] <irkinosor> but I check if the Admin/network setting was set-up and I there is not setting there
[12:52] <geirha> Yeah, the guest user has very limited privileges
[12:53] <irkinosor> I do I make it work where I have all the privileges then?
[12:53] <geirha> Do you have a lot of bookmarks and stuff? it could be useful to try and wipe the browser settings
[12:54] <irkinosor> not
[12:54] <irkinosor> nothing
[12:55] <geirha> ok, if you run the following in a terminal, chromium's settings should be reset to default:   mv ~/.config/chromium ~/.config/chromium.backup
[12:55] <geirha> make sure chromium is closed first though
[12:56] <geirha> the mv command will be silent if it succeeded
[12:56] <irkinosor> ...
[12:56] <irkinosor> what's mv?
[12:57] <geirha> short for "move". It is used to move and/or rename files and folders
[12:57] <irkinosor> should I start with sudo?
[12:57] <geirha> No sudo
[12:57] <geirha> In this case we just rename the chromium folder to chromium.backup
[12:58] <irkinosor> all that is in one line right?
[12:58] <geirha> yes
[12:58] <irkinosor>  separated with space??
[12:58] <geirha> mv ~/.config/chromium ~/.config/chromium.backup
[12:58] <geirha> you can copy/paste it
[12:59] <geirha> you can of course do it with the regular file browser too
[12:59] <irkinosor> done
[12:59] <irkinosor> I guess I have a back-up now!
[13:00] <geirha> Yep
[13:01] <irkinosor> next...
[13:02] <geirha> start chromium and see if you can access the internets
[13:04] <irkinosor> not working!
[13:06] <geirha> Hm. Odd that it works for the guest user, but not your admin user :/
[13:11] <irkinosor> odd indeed!
[13:23] <irkinosor> @gerha: are you still giving a thought to my problem???
[15:28] <BlindedCannibal> Hello
[15:38] <Sidewinder> Mornin' BlindedCannibal
[15:59] <s-fox> biab
[17:42] <s-fox> Hi
[17:51] <deper29> is there a way to share folders between users on a machine?
[17:51] <bioterror> !samba | deper29
[17:51] <ubot2> deper29: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT.
[17:52] <s-fox> isn't that a little overkill?
[17:52] <bioterror> what?
[17:52] <s-fox> samba i mean
[17:53] <bioterror> why?
[17:53] <bioterror> samba is easier than nfs
[17:54] <bioterror> oh sorry
[17:54] <s-fox> I've always used nfs ;)
[17:54] <bioterror> users on a machine :D
[17:54] <deper29> yeah, haha
[17:54] <bioterror> haaha
[17:54] <bioterror> :D
[17:55] <deper29> use nfs then?
[17:55] <bioterror> I was thinking about network
[17:55] <deper29> oh, yeah, just machine :P
[17:55] <deper29> network couldn't I just sshfs?
[17:55] <s-fox> brb
[17:55] <bioterror> for example
[17:55] <Unit193> The only time I used NFS was in XP. :P
[17:56] <bioterror> I've mostly done a folder or something like that to / for accessing files between users on same computer
[17:56] <deper29> i'm not familiar with NFS
[17:56] <bioterror> and then made a symlink/shortcut on desktop
[17:56] <deper29> bioterror, I can do that with NFS/
[17:56] <bioterror> deper29, NFS = Network File System
[17:56] <bioterror> forget it
[17:56] <bioterror> I made a mistake
[17:56] <bioterror> as I didnt read well your question
[17:56] <deper29> ??
[17:57] <bioterror> make /Share or something like that folder
[17:57] <bioterror> and give it correct rights that everyone can read and write
[17:57] <Unit193> Should already have a ~/Public, no?
[17:58] <deper29> Unit193, I do, but I have a bunch of stuff already set to go to a certain folder, and I don't really want to move all of that to a different folder and reconfigure
[17:59] <deper29> bioterror, so could I just make my music folder have read permissions for all users?
[17:59] <deper29> I only want write permissions to myself
[18:00] <bioterror> if you let them access your ~/, then yes
[18:00] <deper29> bioterror, how would I do that?
[18:01] <bioterror> you can so to their account and try if they can read your home folder
[18:01] <bioterror> you can "su"
[18:02] <deper29> gotcha, I got it working :)
[18:02] <deper29> thanks :D
[18:35] <s-fox> biab
[20:12] <TheStuff> you dont really need
[20:12] <s-fox> :)
[20:12] <TheStuff> you could just update it nomally
[20:12] <TheStuff> but of course you could do a complete reinstall
[20:13] <TheStuff> just remember to bckup your files
[20:14] <TheStuff> nooo
[20:14] <TheStuff> your files have already been deleted
[20:15] <TheStuff> if youve parted your disk
[20:15] <TheStuff> neokya:
[20:18] <Unit193> ...Are you talking in the wrong channel? :P
[20:18] <TheStuff> Gape: you could just do a complete re-install
[20:19] <holstein> "if you have reached this channel in error..."
[20:19] <Unit193> TheStuff: Hello?
[20:19] <TheStuff> unit: woot
[20:19] <holstein> TheStuff: one easy trick is to use the tab complete for nicknames :)
[20:19] <TheStuff> Unit193: aha!
[20:20] <holstein> type "g" and hit the tab key a few times and you'll see there is no "Gape"
[20:20] <Unit193> But there is a holstein.
[20:20] <holstein> and a Unit193 !!
[20:20] <TheStuff> Unit193: what is a "holstein"
[20:20] <Unit193> It's someone's irc nick.
[20:21]  * holstein 's nickname :)
[20:22] <TheStuff> ericP: be more specific on your problem, please
[20:22] <TheStuff> neokya: Youre just gonna have to wait it out, sorry, no better solution.
[20:23] <holstein> TheStuff: those folks are not in this channel
[20:23] <TheStuff> holstein: what..
[20:23] <holstein> TheStuff: if you use tab to complete the nicknames, you'll see that they are not here... maybe they are in #ubuntu?
[20:23] <holstein> TheStuff: there are no nicknames "ericP" or "neokya" here in this channel
[20:24] <TheStuff> holstein: why doesnt someone write a script to filter it out, am i gonna have to do it
[20:24] <holstein> TheStuff: ?
[20:24] <holstein> TheStuff: you can look at the /names list
[20:24] <TheStuff> holstein: thats slow, now does irssi support python-plugins
[20:25] <holstein> TheStuff: im using irssi
[20:25] <holstein> TheStuff: tab complete works great
[20:25] <holstein> TheStuff: i use a few plugins, but not for a names list
[20:26] <TheStuff> holstein: hmm, gonna have to read into that...
[20:26] <holstein> TheStuff: maybe you dropped and got reconnected in the same window in a different channel
[20:26] <TheStuff> holstein: ?, only been using irssi for a while. how could that happen
[20:27] <holstein> TheStuff: i just trying to come up with a scenario thats not your fault ;)
[20:27] <holstein> you are likely just typing in the wrong window
[20:27] <TheStuff> holstein: lol.. i probably did something
[20:28] <holstein> TheStuff: i started on weechat because it was the one that auto-connected to freenode for me
[20:28] <TheStuff> holstein: how do you install a plugin, is it just like in vim where all you have to do is "drop it there"
[20:28] <holstein> TheStuff: i didnt understand how to even /connect irssi for a long time
[20:28] <holstein> TheStuff: i put them in a /dir in ~/.irssi i think
[20:28] <Unit193> /run script.pl  as long as it's in ~/.irssi/scripts or the global scripts dir.
[20:29] <holstein> yeah... what Unit193 says ^^
[20:29] <Unit193> One more dir down in "autorun" for it to run on starting.
[20:29] <TheStuff> holstein: is it usually this quiet on the channel?
[20:30] <TheStuff> holstein: maybe irc is finally going dead...
[20:31] <Unit193> Well then...
[23:24] <bACktRaCk5> hello to all. i`m beginner on linux.. and i want to ask if is possible to see a crypted file..
[23:33] <bACktRaCk5> can some one tell me how can i decrypt a file pls ?


[00:19] <rcn-ee> cwillu_at_work, 2.6.34-rc7 is queued up... https://code.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6.34-devel
[00:23] <DanaG> Anything notable that's new?
[00:24] <rcn-ee> latest btrfs bits... :)
[00:24] <DanaG> hmm, is the on-disk format stable enough, and do the ubuntu utils support it well enough, to use?
[00:25] <DanaG> I'm also still wondering about that g_audio thing... so does musb=y and g_*=m not work?
[00:25] <rcn-ee> he's doing a bunch of sd card tests with it...  he just needed the dss2 patch for overo, after i teased him with a non dss2 over 2.6.34-rc6 yesterday.. ;)
[00:28] <rcn-ee> i don't have it set: "# CONFIG_USB_AUDIO is not set"  if someone where to find a way to enable that CONFIG and still be able to use a rootfs on the otg port at boot, i'd enable it...  (half my beagles i use for building it, have either none or unreliable ehci ports)
[00:32] <DanaG> hmm, I'd have to try compiling my own kernel, then.
[00:33] <rcn-ee> go for it.. ;) i've scripted about 95% of it in a script in that repo.. (./build_kernel.sh) you just need a to setup your Cross Compiler and git clone the linux-2.6-stable tree...
[00:33] <rcn-ee> out of the box, it'll give you the same thing i upload to rcn-ee.net...
[00:36] <DanaG> Where's the build_kernel script?
[00:36] <DanaG> oh, not in "deb"...
[00:37] <DanaG> or something.
[00:37] <rcn-ee> it's in the bzr repo http link i posted above..
[00:37] <DanaG> ah
[00:37] <DanaG> I missed that bit. =þ
[00:37] <DanaG> So I'd just have to fiddle with defconfig?
[00:38] <rcn-ee> yeah, i got tired of remembering it myself so i put the script in the repo...  yeap, when you run it, it'll defaults to poping up menuconfig after patching everything up...
[00:39] <DanaG> Cool.
[00:40] <DanaG> I'm also curious what glxinfo on the powervr would show?
[00:40] <DanaG> Does it even do GLX?
[00:41] <rcn-ee> you know.. in my 2-3 years messing with omap's.. i've never done that...
[00:42] <rcn-ee> just make sure you use '<IP_ADDRESS>', the <IP_ADDRESS>'s still don't work (outside the ti 2.6.32-psp) kernel, it's still next on my todo list... (as long as 2.6.34-rc7 boots on lucid..)
[00:47] <DanaG> ah, and PowerVR's driver installer makes nvidia's look positively great.
[00:47] <DanaG> At least nvidia's builds.
[00:47] <DanaG> TI / PowerVR.... tries to "make clean" on a target dir that doesn't exist.
[00:48] <rcn-ee> is that in their readme?
[00:49] <rcn-ee> i just tweak the makefile a little, point to my kernel, and issue a 'make'.. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6-stable/annotate/head:/build_sgx_modules.sh
[00:51] <DanaG> hmm, that's changed since the last time I tried it.  Last time it insisted on wanting to build a kernel.
[00:52] <rcn-ee> ahh.. i still require it in my scripts.. ran into a bug a couple years ago, where something in the 'defconfig' was forcing it..  not sure if it's needed anymore, but playing safe...
[00:53] <DanaG> I'm curious what actual 3D capabilities the thing has.
[00:53] <DanaG> Oh, and fglrx seems to have some GL ES support... or at least there are GL ES strings in the libraries.
[00:54] <rcn-ee> i'd say, 'cell phone 3d graphics'
[01:05] <rcn-ee> hey DanaG, i know your play with radeon/kms.. have your tried 2.6.34-rc7 with drm-test-radeon? i lost kms on boot...
[01:06] <DanaG> hmm, I haven't tried RC7.... I can give it a try now.
[01:28] <DanaG> rcn-ee: looks like my KMS is working with 34-rc7.
[01:28] <rcn-ee> i'm rebuilding with out the drm-radeon-testing.. ;)
[01:28] <DanaG> I'm using the kernel-ppa stuff.
[01:29] <rcn-ee> ahh. that's alot faster..; )
[01:29] <DanaG> I want that new PM code.... the old PM code uses "medium" speed and doesn't save very much power.
[01:29] <DanaG> It's so weird having my cursor appear directly on top of my text console at gdm start. =þ
[01:29] <rcn-ee> i have a weird rv560 in here.. it only shows one cpu/memory speed.. hopeing the latest would show more...
[01:30] <DanaG> ah, mine's rv635.
[01:31] <rcn-ee> i have another half dozen, but this is my fastest r500 class for r300g gallium testing..
[01:34] <DanaG> ah.  I have a Radeon 7500, a 9800 Pro, and my Mobility HD3650.  In between those is an NV G73.
[03:35]  * cwillu adds rcn-ee to his revenge list :p
[03:35] <cwillu> DanaG, the latest btrfs batches fix up a few more ways to oops the kernel;  still not really ready for general consumption
[03:35] <cwillu> and ubuntu's utils are horrendously out of date :p
[03:36] <rcn-ee> what's up cwillu
[03:37] <cwillu> teasing me like that...
[03:37] <rcn-ee> i happens.. ;)
[03:38] <rcn-ee> i put too many builds in the queue, it should show up built later tonight or tomorrow..
[03:39] <cwillu> no problem;  not going to have a chance to try it until tomorrow night probably
[03:39] <cwillu> I mean, I _could_ put it out on a customer's system with out adequate testing, but... :p
[03:40] <rcn-ee> i tried a cross built version today, and musb/zippy2 tested okay.. ;)
[03:40] <cwillu> \o/
[03:40] <rcn-ee> yeah, you don't want to do that yet..  i'm going to move it to my gcc testers later for a 24/7 load testing..
[03:47] <cwillu> 86k writes to my fancy industrial sd card
[03:47] <cwillu> no checksum errors yet
[03:47] <rcn-ee> already.. are you just dd'ing over and over?
[03:47] <rcn-ee> or wait.. running firefox.. ;)
[03:48] <cwillu> no, appending a small amount of data to one file, and rewriting a small amount of data in another file, sync'ing, and then reading back both
[03:48] <cwillu> but I'm doing it with firefox running too, so it's a conservative estimate of the write count :p
[03:48] <cwillu> slc sd card though;  I'm hopeful
[03:49] <cwillu> i.e., I really should be able to get 100k even if there's no wear levelling at all
[05:26] <zord> i'm in
[06:45] <DanaG> argh, how do I get networkmanager to connect my wifi?
[06:46] <DanaG> cnetworkmanager doesn't show the wifi connection on the beagle, yet the same system-settings file works fine on my host system.
[06:55] <zord> DanaG: I have used etworkmanager on Jaunty on OMAP 3530 and it connects my WiFi easily.
[06:56] <DanaG> hmm, for me, it's not even trying.
[06:56] <DanaG> I copied the system-connection file from my host system... and it doesn't appear in the list.
[07:21] <cwillu> DanaG, you're not missing the firmware for the wifi are you?
[07:21] <DanaG> Nope, it scans fine-ish, and cnetworkmanager can connect.
[07:22] <DanaG> It just doesn't auto-connect -- it's like the system-connection file doesn't exist.
[08:07] <DanaG> scan_results_cb(): could not get scan results: An error ocurred getting scan results..
[08:54]  * hrw-uds moved few lines of code and vm-builder/armel got even simpler ;d
[09:42] <GrueMaster> Night.
[09:42] <ogra> Morning
[09:43] <XorA|UDS> hey GrueMaster
[09:43] <GrueMaster> Erm, Hey?
[09:43] <XorA|UDS> didnt i meet you with persia at breakfast?
[09:43] <GrueMaster> Sorry, I typed the previous message in the wron window.  I was telling my son goodnight.
[09:44] <GrueMaster> I think so.
[09:44]  * XorA|UDS has at least 1k ram then
[09:44] <GrueMaster> I have the 20oz "Bubba Keg" coffee mug.
[22:02] <tonyplee> Has anyone tried qt app in Lucid release?
[22:03] <tonyplee> qterm SIGILL on me.
[22:03] <tonyplee> Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. QColor::toHsv (this=<value optimized out>) at painting/qcolor.cpp:1703 1703    painting/qcolor.cpp: No such file or directory.
[22:03] <tonyplee> known issue?
[22:05] <tonyplee> Crash on the same place for a helloworld app I tried.


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[07:45] (fabbione/#ubuntu-mythtv) test
[02:09] <fabbione> anybody alive?
[06:37] <cbx33> wow!
[06:38] <cbx33> so here we are
[06:38] <cbx33> how good is mythtv now on Ubuntu?
[06:55] <superm1> imbrandon, u around?
[06:55] <spiderworm> anyone here successfully compiling .20 fixes branch on edgy?
[06:56] <imbrandon> superm1, yup
[06:56] <imbrandon> cbx33, rockin smooth ;)
[06:56] <superm1> could you get me access into that server today?
[06:56] <imbrandon> superm1, sure, lemme set it up now
[06:57] <superm1> spiderworm, yes i've built 0.20 debs
[06:57] <superm1> spiderworm, lots of times
[06:57] <spiderworm> superm1: oh cool!
[06:57] <superm1> spiderworm, 0.20 is in multiverse already though
[06:57] <spiderworm> im wondering if you could take a look at this: http://pastebin.ca/410665
[06:57] <superm1> with the fixes branch snapshot from a few months ago
[06:58] <spiderworm> yikes.... netsplit?
[06:58] <superm1> spiderworm, your not building a deb, just a svn checkout it appears
[06:58] <imbrandon> spiderworm, dident look like it, only you
[06:58] <superm1> right?
[06:59] <spiderworm> i prefer building from source with myth (worked great on dapper!) because ive gotten burned using packages in the past
[06:59] <spiderworm> superm1: correct
[07:00] <spiderworm> i upgraded to edgy over the weekend and have had nothing but trouble now with myth :(
[07:00] <superm1> spiderworm, i'm imagining your missing a ffmpeg build depen here
[07:00] <superm1> spiderworm, you might consider trying the debs in multiverse though.  things have changed a bunch since dapper in terms of packaging for them
[07:00] <spiderworm> superm1: i was thinking so but nowhere is it warning me about "no such file or directory"
[07:00] <imbrandon> yea we actualy started working on them, you might even try feisty
[07:01] <imbrandon> beta
[07:01] <spiderworm> superm1: im considering it for sure and may have to fall back on that
[07:01] <spiderworm> hehe well, is feisty using the .21 branch?
[07:01] <superm1> spiderworm, most people are the *other* way around.  try the *easy* debs, and if that doesnt work - go source, but to each his own
[07:02] <superm1> feisty is 0.20 fixes as well (not 0.21)
[07:02] <spiderworm> yes i guess thats true :)
[07:02] <superm1> spiderworm, but if your going to do it the hard way, do a "sudo apt-get bulid-dep mythtv"
[07:02] <superm1> and you will get all build deps normally used for the packages
[07:03] <spiderworm> superm1: actually i dont, i get an error
[07:03] <spiderworm> one sec and i'll get that error for you
[07:04] <spiderworm> E: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied. <--- only error :(
[07:04] <spiderworm> so very helpful, wouldn't you say?
[07:05] <spiderworm> do you know of a way to get more verbose output for that?
[07:05] <imbrandon> do you have multiverse enabled ?
[07:07] <spiderworm> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse , deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse , and deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse all enabled
[07:08] <spiderworm> when i upgraded to edgy over the weekend, after the upgrade i was having troubles so i cleared out sources.list and rebuilt it
[07:08] <spiderworm> then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade, of course
[07:08] <superm1> your missing universe then on "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy multiverse"
[07:08] <spiderworm> but i wonder if there's some packages on there from old repos that are causing me trouble
[07:08] <spiderworm> i have it on a seperate line
[07:09] <superm1> could you post your sources.list in a pastebin as well?
[07:09] <spiderworm> actually: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/sources
[07:10] <spiderworm> its copied & pasted from the edgy section
[07:11] <superm1> your missing universe and multiverse on edgy-updates and multiverse on edgy-security then
[07:11] <superm1> from what i gather
[07:11] <spiderworm> ok, let me try that...
[07:12] <superm1> these 4 are adequate for most purposes: (i'm not sure why a lot people seperate them and make it hard to read)
[07:12] <spiderworm> i suppose you're right... my gosh!
[07:12] <superm1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <superm1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <superm1> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-security main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <superm1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <superm1> haha
[07:12] <superm1> at least its something easy
[07:15] <superm1> imbrandon, will you need a public key from me?
[07:15] <superm1> er you can get it off launchpad i guess
[07:18] <spiderworm> grrr after apt-get update and apt-get uprade, still E: Build-dependencies for mythtv could not be satisfied
[07:18] <spiderworm> one sec, will paste my sources.list
[07:18] <spiderworm> http://pastebin.ca/410761
[07:19] <superm1> woah whats that bottom one there....
[07:19] <superm1> http://knm.org/mythdebs/
[07:19] <spiderworm> superm1: oh i donno, something i picked up somewhere....
[07:19] <spiderworm> should i lose it maybe?
[07:20] <superm1> yes
[07:21] <spiderworm> even still same problem
[07:21] <superm1> take out the deb and deb-src line for that repo
[07:22] <spiderworm> theyre gone
[07:22] <spiderworm> already did it
[07:22] <superm1> apt-cache policy mythtv
[07:22] <superm1> whats that get you?
[07:22] <imbrandon> superm1, do you have your public key on lp ?
[07:22] <superm1> yes both
[07:23] <superm1> i have two machines that i use
[07:23] <superm1> and both keys are there
[07:23] <superm1> https://launchpad.net/~superm1/+sshkeys
[07:23] <imbrandon> ok
[07:23] <spiderworm> it gets me: http://pastebin.ca/410768
[07:23] <superm1> okay then thats right.
[07:24] <superm1> it sounds like you have some build dependency installed right now that conflicts with mythtv build deps then
[07:24] <superm1> i'm not sure where it would have came from (or your old dapper repos that were in use previously)
[07:24] <spiderworm> how would i go about cleaning this mess up?
[07:24] <superm1> but the easiest way i know to check on it is to go into synaptic, and set the filter that shows "local" packages
[07:25] <superm1> meaning that version currently installed isnt on the repositories on /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:25] <spiderworm> local meaning not found in repos
[07:25] <superm1> rihgt
[07:25] <spiderworm> gotcha
[07:25] <superm1> and you can hit ctrl-e on any of those
[07:25] <superm1> to switch to another version
[07:25] <superm1> there probably is a way with command line apt too, but i dont know it
[07:27] <spiderworm> im i dont see Local as an option anywhere in synaptic filters
[07:27] <spiderworm> help?
[07:27] <superm1> let me see if i can get to an edgy synaptic
[07:27] <superm1> its changed in feisty
[07:27] <superm1> and thats what i have on my laptop
[07:28] <spiderworm> thanks by the way for the help
[07:28] <superm1> Status button
[07:29] <spiderworm> ive been struggling through this for days and ai cant stop!
[07:29] <superm1> and then Installed (local or obsolete)
[07:29] <superm1> not a problem, glad to help :)
[07:29] <spiderworm> i have no status button :(
[07:30] <spiderworm> syanptic v .57.8
[07:30] <spiderworm> oh wait
[07:30] <spiderworm> i found it :)
[07:31] <spiderworm> was looking in filters for it
[07:31] <superm1> yea that is where it is feisty i think
[07:32] <superm1> thats probably why i thought it was still there in edgy
[07:38] <cbx33> all teh directory issues ironed out in feisty then?
[07:38] <superm1> cbx33, which ones?
[07:38] <cbx33> i think when i used edgy, nothing worked propoerly in the plugins
[07:38] <cbx33> using knoppmyth at the mo
[07:39] <cbx33> but wanting to really use bubuntu
[07:39] <superm1> cbx33, all the plugins should be properly setup now, making directories in /var/lib/
[07:39] <cbx33> nice
[07:39] <superm1> afaik :)
[07:45] <cbx33> i saw the instructions for myth on feisty
[07:46] <cbx33> looked a little complicated
[07:46] <superm1> complicated?  its supposed to be getting easier :)
[07:46] <superm1> which page were you looking at
[07:46] <cbx33> hehe well that's what I thought
[07:46] <cbx33> lemme find it
[07:46] <cbx33> oh btw...can i play copy protected dvds on mythtv
[07:46] <superm1> majoridiot has taken over the pages, so i'll let him know your input
[07:46] <superm1> you can if you have libdvdcss2 installed
[07:47] <cbx33> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_Backend_Frontend
[07:47] <cbx33> i just installed that on my knoppmyth box and it wouldn't let me play kung fu hustle
[07:47] <cbx33> but "the one" played fnioe
[07:47] <spiderworm> superm1: i removed 115 local packages :)
[07:47] <spiderworm> superm1: build-dep now works
[07:47] <superm1> wow spiderworm
[07:48] <superm1> spiderworm, very good
[07:48] <superm1> cbx33, are you saying this page looks complicated because all of the steps are in such a linear fashion?
[07:48] <superm1> all on the same page and all
[07:49] <cbx33> probably
[07:49] <cbx33> :p
[07:49] <cbx33> I'll try it out later ;)
[07:50] <superm1> cbx33, well i mentioned that to majoridiot too
[07:50] <superm1> that the page is a whole lot of information at one time
[07:50] <superm1> maybe at least moving the what next section to another page
[07:50] <superm1> or the basic install steps since not everyone will follow those
[08:06] <spiderworm> doh!
[08:06] <spiderworm> still getting the same error during compile
[08:07] <superm1> lol
[08:07] <superm1> was there other build deps installed though?
[08:08] <spiderworm> yes, several
[08:08] <superm1> well you probably solved several later problems then during compilation
[08:10] <superm1> so u ready to bit the bullet and try the debs yet ;)?
[08:10] <spiderworm> perhaps
[08:10] <spiderworm> ive heard horror stories of passwords being changed, themes disappearing and mythfrontend not starting
[08:10] <superm1> well i can tell you what happens with the password problem
[08:11] <superm1> that is directly related to not reading documentation
[08:11] <superm1> and there is a big wrapper script in place for feisty to end it
[08:11] <spiderworm> (yay!)
[08:11] <superm1> themes dissappearing is something i havent heard however
[08:11] <spiderworm> mythfrontend wont start if it cant find the theme
[08:11] <superm1> so with regard to the passwords - any user that you start mythtv with
[08:12] <superm1> needs to be in the mythtv group
[08:12] <superm1> *before* you try to launch mythfrontend
[08:12] <superm1> or mythtv-setup for the first time
[08:12] <superm1> eg you need to add yourself to the group, log out, log back in
[08:12] <superm1> and then start any myth apps
[08:13] <superm1> is your missing a theme, there is a command line option to start with a different theme. i dont know the option off hand, but our packages dont remove any themes, so thats gotta be related to migrating a box and not installing a theme you had there
[08:14] <spiderworm> people going from source to packages..... the packages dont contain all the themes that are in svn, do they?
[08:16] <superm1> you need to install mythtv-themes
[08:16] <superm1> thats all
[08:16] <fabbione> hey guys
[08:16] <superm1> and you should then have everything that was in 0.20-fixes but not necessarily svn
[08:16] <fabbione> so who is familiar with libmythtv code? (live tv stuff specifically)
[08:16] <superm1> hey fabbione .
[08:16] <superm1> familiar with the code itself ... i doubt anyone in the room
[08:16] <superm1> i know not i
[08:17] <fabbione> problem is that even if i configure 2 cards, livetv can't switch between them
[08:17] <fabbione> it tells me that there is no other recorder?!?
[08:17] <spiderworm> i just installed the packages
[08:17] <superm1> oh did that workaround work for you yesterday that i mentioned?
[08:17] <fabbione> but there are 2
[08:17] <spiderworm> mythfrontend --override-setting theme=<anyone have a valid theme name?>
[08:17] <fabbione> superm1: i can see the channels in the program guide, but i can't switch
[08:18] <spiderworm> G.A.N.T doesnt seem to work...
[08:18] <spiderworm> blue doesnt work...
[08:18] <spiderworm> wtf
[08:20] <spiderworm> lol
[08:20] <spiderworm> could not find theme default
[08:23] <superm1> brb
[08:23] <superm1> ill help in  a sec
[08:31] <fabbione> BZZZZZZZZZT
[08:31] <fabbione> 2007-03-26 20:31:22.370 DVBChan(1) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed.
[08:31] <fabbione>                         eno: Device or resource busy (16)
[08:44] <superm1> spiderworm, you installed source before
[08:44] <superm1> into /usr/local?
[08:46] <spiderworm> superm1: yeah i figured out hte problem :) you nailed it on the head
[08:46] <spiderworm> deleted /usr/local/lib/*myth* and mythfrontend fired up
[08:46] <superm1> sorry i was talking with a prof.
[08:47] <spiderworm> NOW im BACK to the orginal problem that started this whole mess in the first place!
[08:47] <superm1> which is?
[08:47] <spiderworm> the original problem was (is) that mythbackend runs, throws no errors in shell or in log, but frontend cannot connect to it AND it backend does not show up in netstat!
[08:47] <spiderworm> w00t
[08:47] <superm1> fabbione, why is thta happening?
[08:47] <fabbione> AHHH
[08:48] <fabbione> superm1: fixed it...
[08:48] <fabbione> i will explain in 2 minutes..
[08:49] <superm1> spiderworm, /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[08:49] <spiderworm> sudo netstat -tuna | grep 6543 shows nothing, sudo netstat -tunap | grep myth shows nothing
[08:49] <superm1> check and see what it is saying
[08:49] <spiderworm> superm1: log is clean
[08:49] <superm1> clean as in empty?
[08:49] <spiderworm> no errors no problems
[08:49] <superm1> or clean as in nothing
[08:49] <spiderworm> clean as in i'll pastebin it for ya
[08:50] <superm1> k
[08:50] <superm1> hey jetsaredim
[08:51] <jetsaredim> dude
[08:51] <jetsaredim> I started messing with the glade shit
[08:51] <superm1> jetsaredim, and good or bad news proceeds...
[08:51] <jetsaredim> but I think there was something incompatible between the edgy glade which I had on my system and the feisty glade from the livecd
[08:52] <superm1> whats happening?
[08:52] <jetsaredim> some sort of unrecogized glade type
[08:52] <jetsaredim> like they are using some glade type that wasn
[08:52] <jetsaredim> t in the version i had
[08:53] <fabbione> superm1: basically it's a hvr3000 driver limitation. afaik it's on windows, but basically with multiple frontends, when you get an exclusive access to a device (Mythtv default) you can't access the other frontend. So the backend can't initialize the second configured frontend
[08:53] <jetsaredim> so i'm coaxing my dev box through a feisty upgrade (which is not going totally well)
[08:54] <fabbione> the solution is to set dvb_on_demand in the mythtv config for now
[08:54] <fabbione> that will allow you to init both hvr3000 frontends from the backend
[08:54] <fabbione> and you can switch in livetv
[08:54] <fabbione> i assume this limitation has other consequences like you can't watch dvb-t and record dvb-s at the same time
[08:54] <fabbione> but i will solve that later on
[08:55] <spiderworm> superm1: http://pastebin.ca/410875
[08:55] <spiderworm> (prepare to be mystified)
[08:56] <superm1> fabbione, that probably touches upon another issue that i heard of recording two sources on the same mux in the US
[08:56] <superm1> fabbione, no code has been proposed as of yet
[08:56] <superm1> but thats good you solved it
[08:56] <fabbione> superm1: if it's a kernel limitation there is not much you can do in Mythtv
[08:56] <fabbione> you need to fix the drivers first
[08:57] <superm1> fabbione, good point
[08:57] <fabbione> superm1: it would be good if you can actually add these information to the MythTV/ubuntu wiki
[08:57] <fabbione> right now i am porting the HVR3000 code from linuxtv.org to 2.6.20
[08:57] <fabbione> once i get that to build and work i will look into the limitation
[08:57] <fabbione> it might just be a wrong return
[08:58] <superm1> fabbione, i'll add a note about this to troubleshooting then.  very good info
[08:58] <superm1> jetsaredim, have you tried to install the feisty glade packages on edgy?
[08:58] <fabbione> superm1: thanks
[08:58] <superm1> spiderworm,  that log looks prestine
[08:58] <jetsaredim> superm1: too late now
[08:58] <spiderworm> superm1: doesnt it tho?
[08:58] <jetsaredim> I'm basically done the upgrade
[08:59] <superm1> jetsaredim, ah okay :)
[08:59] <jetsaredim> was just not a fun one
[08:59] <jetsaredim> my nvidia stuff got all screwed up
[08:59] <spiderworm> superm1: i bet that poor process was like "dont kill me! i've been good!"
[08:59] <jetsaredim> not even sure if that's really fixed until I reboot
[08:59] <spiderworm> he only THOUGHT he's been good
[08:59] <spiderworm> i just dont know how to get it through his thick skulll....
[08:59] <superm1> jetsaredim, haha
[09:00] <superm1> spiderworm, are you sure that yo uhave the right ip set
[09:00] <superm1> in mythtv-setup
[09:00] <jetsaredim> seems like every time I reboot the nvidia drivers just disappear
[09:00] <spiderworm> superm1: <IP_ADDRESS> port 6543.... status on 6544... that ip is correct
[09:00] <spiderworm> best i can tell is something in edgy is not allowing it to listen on 6543?
[09:00] <spiderworm> *shrug*
[09:00] <superm1> jetsaredim, using drivers in restricted manager?
[09:01] <superm1> spiderworm, .... hmm
[09:01] <superm1> wait a minute...
[09:01] <superm1> you started as root
[09:01] <superm1> not as mythtv
[09:01] <superm1> oh nvm
[09:01] <superm1> you used the init script
[09:01] <spiderworm> yes
[09:01] <jetsaredim> superm1: ??
[09:01] <superm1> jetsaredim, how did you do nvidia-drivers, linux-restricted-modules?  or from the nvidia installer
[09:02] <superm1> spiderworm, try adding some verbose options
[09:02] <spiderworm> you got it
[09:02] <jetsaredim> nvidia installer?
[09:02] <jetsaredim> i had them installed from edgy
[09:02] <superm1> spiderworm, to /etc/default/mythtv-backend
[09:03] <jetsaredim> i didn't reinstall
[09:03] <superm1> jetsaredim, if you installed from the nvidia installer, u might want to try reverting to open source driver and then using restricted-manager to install directly from ubuntu repos
[09:04] <jetsaredim> o - i had the ??? because I had no idea what you were talking about
[09:04] <jetsaredim> i just installed the drivers from adept
[09:05] <superm1> oh okay
[09:05] <superm1> so what happens that you "lose" it
[09:05] <superm1> the nvidia.ko isn't generated?
[09:05] <jetsaredim> not sure
[09:05] <jetsaredim> like I have it up and working at the moment
[09:05] <superm1> oh wait you just did this today
[09:05] <superm1> right
[09:05] <superm1> or yesterday or so
[09:06] <superm1> because there was a new kernel image released yesterday, but no linux-restricted-modules to compliment it
[09:06] <jetsaredim> i think it has to do with the fact that its being installed into some volatile area
[09:06] <superm1> so if you installed that and rebooted into it
[09:06] <superm1> linux-restricted-modules got released today
[09:06] <jetsaredim> which - 20-13
[09:06] <superm1> yes
[09:06] <jetsaredim> o
[09:07] <superm1> i got bit by that yesterday too
[09:07] <superm1> with my ati drivers
[09:07] <superm1> but since i've had feisty on for a bit, i had an old kernel to revert to until l-r-m was ready
[09:07] <spiderworm> superm1: i accidentally erased /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend ... how to use apt to get it back again?
[09:07] <jetsaredim> it must be now
[09:07] <spiderworm> dpkg-reconfigure mythtv ?
[09:07] <superm1> spiderworm, sudo apt-get install --reinstall mythtv-backend
[09:07] <superm1> should do it
[09:08] <superm1> jetsaredim, yup it is,  i just got it a few hours ago
[09:08] <superm1> from my mirror
[09:08] <superm1> spiderworm, if that doesn't do it, you'll need to apt-get remove --purge mythtv-backend and then do the apt-get install mythtv-backend
[09:14] <spiderworm> superm1: http://pastebin.ca/410908
[09:17] <superm1> does it just sit there?
[09:17] <spiderworm> superm1: indeed
[09:17] <spiderworm> superm1: nothign pops up when mythfrontend tries to connect
[09:18] <spiderworm> superm1: should there be more log output after that or something?
[09:18] <superm1> well it shouldnt just stop in the middle of mysql selects like htat
[09:19] <spiderworm> superm1: i did kill it pretty quickly, i'll let it run a minute or two this time
[09:21] <superm1> spiderworm, k
[09:28] <superm1> spiderworm, you cleaned up all binaries in /usr/local/lib *and* /usr/local/bin right?
[09:29] <superm1> not just one or the other
[09:30] <spiderworm> superm1: yes, and also those in /usr/local/include and /usr/local/share
[09:31] <superm1> this is an existing mythtv-database however right?
[09:31] <superm1> in mysql
[09:32] <superm1> gardengnome, "sudo apt-get install mythtv-database" ?
[09:33] <gardengnome> superm1: i f'ing wish. ;)
[09:34] <superm1> gardengnome, what happened?
[09:34] <gardengnome> this time it's actually because he's using the external IP address to access the DB server. the mythtv-database scripts don't account for that, i suppose. it's not critical, though.
[09:35] <superm1> gardengnome, they *should* be accounting for that
[09:35] <gardengnome> how so?
[09:35] <superm1> oh wait, he is installing the DB on a remote server?
[09:35] <superm1> as in remote mysql server
[09:36] <gardengnome> i don't know.
[09:36] <superm1> well mythtv-database installs on the mysql server you configured in mythtv-common
[09:36] <superm1> so if you choose to do it on a remote server, then as long as it was right in mythtv-common, then it will be fine
[09:37] <superm1> but if you updated /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt manually instead of dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[09:37] <superm1> then it wont
[09:38] <gardengnome> i'll paste our conversation to him. thank you.
[09:38] <superm1> k
[09:38] <gardengnome> i'm gonna update the channel faq or something with this.
[09:39] <gardengnome> so i can yell "RTFM" at people. :)
[09:39] <superm1> haha
[09:39] <superm1> on #mythtv-users?
[09:39] <gardengnome> yeah. the guy i'm talking to is in #mythtv-de though
[09:39] <superm1> ah
[09:40] <superm1> jetsaredim, having connectoin issues it appears?
[09:40] <jetsaredim> omfg
[09:40] <jetsaredim> I need to figure out how to un-break dhclient
[09:41] <jetsaredim> like - I want it to grab the information from resolv.conf on boot
[09:41] <jetsaredim> but then it keeps grabbing it periodically
[09:41] <jetsaredim> which I don't want
[09:41] <superm1> oh i think i know the solution you're looking for.
[09:41] <jetsaredim> cause when I connect to work via my vpn, it needs to put down the vpn network's resolv.conf
[09:43] <jetsaredim> you would be my saviour
[09:43] <spiderworm> superm1: ok i think ive got most things working now
[09:43] <superm1> spiderworm, what'd you have to do
[09:43] <superm1> jetsaredim, i *think* /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[09:44] <jetsaredim> yea
[09:44] <spiderworm> superm1: i can record by doing cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/file.mpg and play it back with mplayer
[09:44] <superm1> spiderworm, that's not entirely a "working" mythtv however...
[09:44] <spiderworm> but tvtime wont play tv and mythfrontend says all available inputs are in use
[09:44] <spiderworm> mythfrontend is connecting to backend now )
[09:44] <spiderworm> :)
[09:45] <superm1> spiderworm, how'd you get mythfrontend connecting
[09:45] <spiderworm> superm1: i waited :D
[09:45] <superm1> haha
[09:45] <spiderworm> it finally showed up on netstat and i connected
[09:45] <spiderworm> now i need to figure out why "no inputs are availble"
[09:45] <spiderworm> bullcrap!
[09:46] <superm1> were you doing the cat /dev/video0 as the backend was starting?
[09:46] <superm1> perhaps during the time it would have init'ed the card
[09:46] <spiderworm> superm1: no
[09:46] <superm1> jetsaredim, you need a dhclient hook from what i gather
[09:46] <superm1> in /etc/dhcp3
[09:46] <spiderworm> i'll restart backend to be sure tho
[09:47] <superm1> jetsaredim, this discusses how to do it: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_dhclient-script.htm
[09:47] <superm1> you need to redefine a hook that is made by dhclient
[09:48] <superm1> jetsaredi1, not sure if you saw the posts before since you appear to be vpn'ed now: jetsaredim, this discusses how to do it: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8_dhclient-script.htm
 you need to redefine a hook that is made by dhclient
[09:49] <jetsaredi1> I just commented out the timeout value
[09:50] <superm1> and that did it?
[09:50] <jetsaredi1> just to see if it works
[09:50] <jetsaredi1> not sure yet
[09:50] <superm1> :)
[09:50] <jetsaredi1> usually happens around 2 min
[09:50] <superm1> how are things looking for ubiquity other than the glade issues you ran into?
[09:51] <jetsaredi1> fuck
[09:53] <superm1> ?
[09:53] <jetsaredi1> reverted back
[09:55] <superm1> jetsaredi1, what vpn client?
[09:55] <superm1> cisco i'd imagine?
[09:55] <jetsaredi1> yea
[09:56] <spiderworm> superm1: everything is working great now, thanks superm1
[09:57] <spiderworm> *hug*
[09:57] <spiderworm> *slobbery kiss*
[09:57] <superm1> spiderworm, wonderful that it works :)
[09:57] <superm1> spiderworm, see binary packages aren't that bad eh?
[09:57] <spiderworm> *shrug* we'll see :)
[09:57] <superm1> jetsaredi1, you seen bug 92761
[09:57] <ubotu> Malone bug 92761 in network-manager "resolv.conf overwritten no matter what I do" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92761
[09:57] <spiderworm> i've used debs before... you just keep them up to date, ya hear me? ;)
[09:58] <superm1> spiderworm, haha
[09:58] <spiderworm> you just do all the work while i have some fun, got it? ;)
[09:58] <superm1> spiderworm, as long as you spread the help around in case you see someone else running into this, i'm all over that
[09:59] <superm1> spiderworm, particularly #mythtv-users, as i'm sure people in there run into stuff like this all the time
[09:59] <spiderworm> superm1: tell ya wat, i'll autojoin and help people in her efrom time to time
[09:59] <superm1> spiderworm, cool :)
[09:59] <spiderworm> if you ever need help with blender btw im sort of a bigwig in the community
[09:59] <spiderworm> sort of
[09:59] <spiderworm> maybe a medium wig
[10:00] <spiderworm> ok a pretty small frikkin wig but i can at least offer some help & support
[10:00] <superm1> spiderworm, i dont even know what blender is?
[10:00] <spiderworm> blender 3d?!
[10:00] <superm1> i've heard its name thrown around
[10:00] <gardengnome> blender is a ncie 3d modeling app.
[10:00] <superm1> but no idea what it was
[10:00] <spiderworm> my gosh man, /join #blender3d already!
[10:00] <gardengnome> i totally suck at it. :)
[10:00] <superm1> sorta like solidworks?
[10:00] <spiderworm> er oops
[10:00] <spiderworm>  i mean, /join #blender
[10:00] <gardengnome> spiderworm: do you want him to play with blender or make nice packages for us? ;)) (j/k)
[10:00] <superm1> haha
[10:00] <spiderworm> superm1: more like maya
[10:01] <spiderworm> gardengnome: a bit of both!
[10:01] <superm1> i'll install it, and it to my list of things to toy around with :)
[10:02] <gardengnome> it's really nifty.
[10:02] <spiderworm> superm1: you can blame me for this popular documentation: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro
[10:03] <superm1> spiderworm, nice.  adding it to del.icio.us right now
[10:03] <spiderworm> superm1: actually i have another question for you
[10:03] <superm1> spiderworm, sure shoot
[10:03] <spiderworm> i still want to play around with the source checkouts
[10:03] <gardengnome> spiderworm: thanks for that guide
[10:04] <superm1> jetsaredi1, did you look through some of the stuff on that bug?  seems to have a few possible solutions
[10:04] <spiderworm> how reasonable is it to build myth from source in a /home directory while there is a package install on the system?
[10:04] <superm1> spiderworm, source checkouts as in svn or 0.20-fixes
[10:04] <spiderworm> both, probably :)
[10:04] <Xenocide> hey hey everyone
[10:04] <superm1> spiderworm,  well once you introduce a machine running svn into your network, expect troubles for all non-svn machines
[10:05] <superm1> especially if you use a common database
[10:05] <spiderworm> superm1: at this point, only one machine is running mythfrontend
[10:05] <superm1> well moreover, once you go svn - dont expect to be able to go back
[10:05] <superm1> hey Xenocide
[10:05] <Xenocide> hey
[10:05] <Xenocide> bout to bounce, gonna get food before physics class
[10:05] <spiderworm> im more concerned about building when there are libraries from .deb packages on the system
[10:07] <superm1> spiderworm, well the most intelligent thing to do here, would be start building your source packages into debs
[10:07] <superm1> that way you can easily manage both
[10:07] <superm1> and switch quickly between the two
[10:07] <superm1> if need be
[10:07] <spiderworm> i should learn to do that huh
[10:07] <spiderworm> i'll give that a roll
[10:08] <superm1> spiderworm, its unfortunately a bit involved at first
[10:08] <superm1> i have a post on the forums outlining the basic process
[10:11] <jetsaredi1> superm1: that bug seems sorta like what I'm seeing
[10:11] <jetsaredi1> though in my case the <IP_ADDRESS> is the nameserver on my local subnet
[10:12] <superm1> jetsaredi1, there is a few hacks in there that you might be able to get by using hopefully
[10:13] <jetsaredi1> i just wrote a little script that copies over the resolv.conf with the version for my vpn
[10:13] <superm1> over and over?
[10:14] <jetsaredi1> yep
[10:14] <jetsaredi1> brute force, baby
[10:15] <superm1> a bit of a dirty hack, but functional i guess :)
[10:15] <jetsaredi1> yea
[10:15] <jetsaredi1> at this point I'm just fed up with dealing with it
[10:15] <jetsaredi1> it wouldn't be so bad
[10:16] <jetsaredi1> I used to just remove dhcp3 and install dhcpcd
[10:16] <jetsaredi1> which isn't as invasive
[10:17] <superm1> ah
[10:20] <jetsaredi1> but for some reason the network-manager app needs dhcp3
[10:20] <jetsaredi1> I tried removing it, but I end up getting errors when I open konsole or things like that
[10:21] <superm1> wow thats bizarre
[10:21] <jetsaredi1> yea
[11:04] <superm1> looks to have worked :)
[11:06] <superm1> jetsaredi1, i'll catch up with you later more on ubiquity
[11:06] <superm1> gotta run
[11:07] <jetsaredi1> k
[11:07] <Xenocide^> wifi is so flaky


[00:00] <Laney> We have gotten f-spot to be syncable again \o/
[09:21] <huats> morning everyone
[09:22] <didrocks> morning huats
[09:22] <huats> hey didrocks ;)
[09:23] <pochu> hi didrocks & huats
[09:24] <didrocks> hey pochu & seb128 :)
[09:24] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:24] <pochu> hi seb128
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks: want some updates to do?
[09:25] <huats> seb128: hello !
[09:25] <huats> seb128: i am doing the gnome-keyring , the gcalctool and the gtksourceview
[09:25] <seb128> hey pochu
[09:25] <seb128> lut huats
[09:25] <seb128> huats: ok cool
[09:25] <didrocks> seb128: yes, I am currently working on gnome-python* and I have one pending question about a patch you did (but I prefer to ask you when you will be less busy), but you can give me more to do, with pleasure :)
[09:25] <huats> (at least the last 2 ones are done here)
[09:25] <seb128> didrocks: I'm not too busy right now
[09:25] <huats> oh and deskbar-applet too is done here
[09:25] <seb128> didrocks: you can do gnome-games and evince if you want
[09:26] <seb128> huats: I've already uploaded deskbar-applet ...
[09:26] <huats> seb128: ok
[09:26] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I take them both
[09:26] <seb128> I was trying to find things to do for myself and though you wouldn't start by this one, sorry about that
[09:26] <huats> seb128: no pb :)
[09:26] <huats> I was offline when I saw it
[09:26] <huats> :)
[09:26] <seb128> I though gcalctool and gnome-keyring were going to take you busy until we spoke on IRC
[09:27] <huats> and I assume you were drinking beers ;)
[09:27] <huats> seb128: no problem at all :)
[09:27] <huats> seb128: gnome-keyring still have issue related to the used flags...
[09:27] <huats> and upstream haven't answered me...
[09:27] <huats> I'll try to find out (again)
[09:27] <seb128> use bugzilla rather than direct email
[09:28] <huats> I will
[09:28] <seb128> who are you mailing upstream about that?
[09:28] <huats> stefan walter
[09:29] <huats> seb128: I am putting the various stuffs I did on LP today and once it is done I ping you to ask for more :)
[09:29] <seb128> ok
[09:30] <didrocks> seb128: so, if you have time about the patch, the question was about 01-dont-build-with-lpython.dpatch in python-gnome
[09:30] <didrocks> seb128: I paste it there, easier: http://paste.ubuntu.com/113129/
[09:31] <seb128> didrocks: looking
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks: the goal was to avoid having gnome-python depending on a specific python version when we were doing multiversion built, that's probably less revelant when using 2.5 only
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: but it seems to have some parts that are still depending on a specific python version (see second stenza)
[09:36] <seb128> didrocks: not sure, apt-cache show python-gnome2 and see the depends
[09:37] <seb128> didrocks: upstream might have changed since, don't bother we do only use one python version in jaunty
[09:37] <seb128> the easy way to check is to look at the depends when building different python versions
[09:38] <didrocks> seb128: ok, this is clearer
[09:39] <didrocks> seb128: do I still keep the patch, even if it's not relevant ?
[09:39] <seb128> didrocks: yes, it will be useful again when we get python 2.6
[09:39] <seb128> and then we can check if it needs update
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: right, ok :) I prefered to ask you before juste keeping the patch to keep the patch (I like understand what I do, surprising ? ;))
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: thanks a lot
[09:41] <seb128> sort of surprising when you are used to work with huats ;-)
[09:41] <seb128> (just joking huats)
[09:41] <didrocks> rohhhh ^^
[09:41] <huats> seb128: that is not nice seb128
[09:42]  * huats thinks about switching to kubuntu ;)
[09:42] <seb128> lol
[09:42] <didrocks> :)
[09:42] <huats> seb128: do they have gcalctool in kubuntu ?
[09:42] <huats> ;)
[09:43] <pochu> kalktool
[09:43] <pochu> kalktool4 even ;)
[09:44]  * didrocks wishes that kile is ported to gtk... installing a bunch of qt lib just because you use LaTeX :/
[09:44]  * pochu hides from Riddell :)
[09:44] <pochu> didrocks: heh, my only qt app is also for LaTeX ;) but it's Texmaker
[09:45] <didrocks> pochu: hum, I never got used to Texmaker, I switched quickly to kile
[10:47] <seb128> pitti: hello
[10:47] <seb128> pitti: hello
[11:01] <crevette> hello there
[11:03] <seb128> lut cr
[11:03] <seb128> lut crevette
[11:04] <crevette> salut seb128
[11:26] <davmor2> Meh after todays update I know have 2 sound icons in the panel, 1 gnome sound the other pulse any ideas why?
[11:47] <crevette> davmor2, I have the same
[11:55] <davmor2> crevette: bug 324807
[12:00] <crevette> davmor2, tx
[15:11] <crevette> thanks super seb128
[15:13] <crevette> thanks super seb128
[15:13] <seb128> crevette: thanks for what?
[15:13] <crevette> now I can do the epiphany
[15:13] <crevette> update
[15:14] <seb128> ah ok
[15:14] <crevette> I was stuck do the broken releases of gtk+
[15:44] <ember> seb128 i will work on sj update, is there any other updates that need work?
[15:45] <seb128> no
[15:45] <seb128> other updates are assigned already or not to do for now
[15:46] <ember> ok ping me if you have any updates free
[15:47] <seb128> right
[15:47] <ember> thanks.
[15:48] <pochu> hi ember
[15:48] <ember> hey pochu
[16:37] <fta2> seb128, when I push a file to a davs:// server using nautilus, the transfer never finishes. the file looks fine on the server (apache2), but on the client, the progress bar stays at 100%. Rings a bell?
[16:37] <seb128> no
[16:38] <seb128> I don't use webdav but the gvfs code is quite buggy
[16:38] <fta2> I also get DBus timeouts when i try to reconnect to a davs:// ressource
[16:38] <fta2> DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)
[16:38] <seb128> the upstream hacker is busy with university for a while
[16:38] <fta2> hmm, damn
[16:40] <fta2> seb128, is it worth a bug?
[16:40] <seb128> an upstream one
[16:47] <fta2> ok, thanks
[17:21] <mahfiaz> with todays update there came a new volume control for pulseaudio. This does not support changing volume with mouse-wheel scrolling. When compared to the old panel applet this is a regression.
[17:21] <mahfiaz> is this part of pavucontrol?
[19:08] <oly562> im trying to load this webcam, can someone help me out? im pretty good with linux, and it shouldnt take too long, i just need some tips or clues ok? let me know what you want displayed from cmdline and i will provide any info that you may need. thanks!!
[19:18] <dobey> if it doesn't "just work" in for example, skype, there is probably an issue with the drivers, or it is just unsupported
[19:20] <oly562> sighs
[19:20] <oly562> Bus 005 Device 023: ID 041e:403d Creative Technology, Ltd WebCam Notebook Ultra
[19:20] <oly562> its there though
[19:21] <dobey> what chipset is that?
[19:21] <oly562> cant i do a mount fs usb something /dev/video0 to /mnt/vid0
[19:21] <oly562> something like this
[19:21] <dobey> the camera doesn't have a filesystem, no
[19:22] <dobey> and if it did have a flash filesystem on it, there would be a /dev/sd[a-z] device for it
[19:22] <dobey> but that wouldn't get you video
[19:23] <dobey> what program are you using to try and use the camera with?
[19:24] <oly562> all the basics
[19:24] <oly562> camorama, cheese, kopete
[19:24] <oly562> 5-6 of them
[19:24] <oly562> vlc
[19:24] <oly562> vls
[19:24] <oly562> yadda
[19:24] <oly562> so forth so on
[19:25] <oly562> same thing
[19:25] <oly562> no /dev/video0
[19:25] <oly562> which means in /dev there is no video0 file
[19:25] <oly562> link
[19:25] <oly562> notta
[19:29] <dobey> what chipset is it?
[19:35] <oly562> how do i find that out
[19:35] <oly562> dobey: ?
[19:35] <oly562> thanks
[19:35] <oly562> im not about to open it lol
[19:37] <dobey> google i guess
[19:38] <oly562> oh
[19:38] <oly562> thanks
[19:38] <oly562> rolls eyes
[19:38] <dobey> i searched for the usb id there, and the first thing i found was: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=543204
[19:38] <dobey> :)
[19:39] <oly562> that user is fiesty os, im on hardy, and i have seen that post, and usually forums blow for input. yet i still read them, and still cam is dead
[19:42] <dobey> i don't know. my cam works fine, but it's a different chipset
[19:42] <dobey> perhaps there is an issue with the driver then
[19:47] <oly562> im way past the basic net searches, and driver loading, and kernel moding
[19:48] <oly562> i have tried ov51x, Spca5xx
[19:48] <oly562> so forth
[19:48] <oly562> so on
[19:55] <dobey> your camera is spca5xx
[19:58] <oly562> k
[19:58] <oly562> sure?
[19:58] <oly562> lol tell me how you know, for my better understanding
[19:58] <oly562> what clued you in?
[19:59] <oly562> i think all the ones i have tried are the right one. lol
[20:01] <oly562> Which the spca5xx driver is included in the Ubuntu kernel and works out of the box in Ubuntu 6.06 and higher
[20:01] <oly562> im on hardy
[20:01] <oly562> 8.04
[20:02] <oly562> i think that mod is now gspca which i do have
[20:03] <oly562> locate spca5
[20:03] <oly562> /usr/lib/libgphoto2/2.4.0/spca50x.so
[20:03] <oly562> /usr/share/doc/libgphoto2-2/camlibs/README.spca50x.gz
[20:03] <oly562> thats not it
[20:03] <oly562> i do have
[20:04] <oly562> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/ubuntu/media/gspcav1
[20:04] <oly562> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/ubuntu/media/gspcav1/gspca.ko
[20:04] <oly562> .ko file
[20:05] <oly562> so i just loaded them
[20:05] <oly562>  sudo modprobe -v gspca
[20:05] <oly562> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l1-compat.ko
[20:05] <oly562> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2-common.ko
[20:05] <oly562> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/videodev.ko
[20:05] <oly562> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/ubuntu/media/gspcav1/gspca.ko
[20:05] <oly562> and...
[20:05] <oly562>  lsmod |grep -i vid
[20:05] <oly562> videodev               29440  1 gspca
[20:05] <oly562> v4l2_common            18304  1 videodev
[20:05] <oly562> v4l1_compat            15492  1 videodev
[20:05] <oly562> video                  19856  0
[20:05] <oly562> output                  4736  1 video
[20:05] <oly562> so...
[20:06] <oly562> i try to load cheese, kopete, camorama, vlc, vls, so forth, same error
[20:06] <dobey> because it's there doesn't mean it's bug free :)
[20:06] <oly562> Could not connect to video device (/dev/video0)
[20:06] <oly562> ha
[20:06] <dobey> obviously there is a problem. maybe you should file a bug in launchpad, or watch one that's already been filed if there is one that matches your issues
[20:06] <oly562> hmmm
[20:07] <oly562> i just signed up for a launchpad last week or so
[20:07] <oly562> good idea
[20:07] <oly562> Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[20:07] <oly562> [ 6014.001023] usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca
[20:07] <oly562> [ 6014.001030] /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-generic/media/gspcav1/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 01.00.20 registered
[20:07] <oly562> dmesg looks good
[20:08] <oly562>  /var/log/message is good
[20:08] <oly562> Feb  3 12:05:04 pluto kernel: [ 6013.979413] Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[20:08] <oly562> Feb  3 12:05:04 pluto kernel: [ 6014.001023] usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca
[20:08] <oly562> Feb  3 12:05:04 pluto kernel: [ 6014.001030] /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-2.6.24/debian/build/build-generic/media/gspcav1/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 01.00.20 registered
[20:08] <dobey> please stop pasting everything in channel :)
[20:08] <oly562> why?
[20:08] <dobey> if you need to paste logs/etc... you should use pastebin.com
[20:08] <oly562> its just a screen
[20:08] <dobey> because it makes it hard to read
[20:08] <oly562> what?
[20:09] <oly562> its only 3 lines
[20:09] <oly562> lolol
[20:09] <dobey> that is not 3 lines
[20:09] <oly562> its chat
[20:09] <oly562> sheshh
[20:09] <oly562> im not pasting the whole dmesg or message ... :|
[20:32] <oly562> shrugs


[07:54] <dholbach> hiya
[07:54] <dholbach> I just tried to allow a script on a server to use launchpadlib and it tries to connect to https://launchpad.net/+authorize-token?oauth_token=<blablabla>&allow_permission=DESKTOP_INTEGRATION
[07:55] <dholbach> I'm not sure if DESKTOP_INTEGRATION is a red herring, but it keeps on asking me for a keyring passphrase
[07:55] <dholbach> which I have to reenter everytime the script is run
[07:55] <dholbach> can anyone help me with this?
[07:56] <wgrant> dholbach<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:57] <wgrant> "5. If your script is not intended for interactive use, pass in a credentials_file argument to login_with() to avoid the keyring.
[07:57] <wgrant> "
[07:57] <dholbach> aha
[07:57] <dholbach> thanks
[07:57] <dholbach> I'll try that
[07:57] <dholbach> for some reason I never had to do that
[07:58] <wgrant> Lucid's launchpadlib is different.
[07:58] <wgrant> This is new in natty
[08:03] <dholbach> thanks wgrant
[11:08] <MechanisM> hello guys. I'm long time ago reported that chromium-daily ppa is not maintained anymore. So noone actually cares about it right?
[11:09] <MechanisM> it's so important for web-developers to have cutting age browser wersions to test things.
[11:09] <MechanisM> edge*
[11:11] <maxb> MechanisM: Launchpad provides the PPA infrastructure, but the contents and maintenance of PPAs are up to the individuals concerned.
[11:12] <jpds> MechanisM: The proper people to ask are the maintainers.
[11:12] <maxb> Though, if I remember correctly, the chromium-daily PPA may be a bit "special"
[11:13] <MechanisM> yes but I'm just want to know if this will be maintained or I should forget about this option and upgrade other ways
[11:13] <maxb> I think it stopped happening after a period of ongoing pain which demonstrated that chromium simply takes too long to build for the PPA infrastructure to cope with
[11:13] <maxb> MechanisM: Then you're asking the wrong people
[11:13] <MechanisM> ohh yep. big codebase actually
[11:17] <MechanisM> btw I'm did apt-get source somepackage, modified it and wanna generate deb from it. how to do it?
[11:17] <MechanisM> ohh and also did apt-get build-dep somepackage
[11:19] <jpds> MechanisM: #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask.
[11:20] <MechanisM> thanx
[12:12] <zul> hi how do i make a ppa private?
[12:12] <jpds> zul: Wrong channel. ;)
[12:13] <zul> jpds:  which channel do I need to be on?
[12:19] <TheLordOfTime> jpds:  actually, right channel, really...
[13:12] <Roj> i need help to active  OpenPGP in launchpad
[13:13] <Roj> i recive imail with code to active it
[13:13] <Roj> i can not read email how i can active my pgp ?
[13:14] <dobey> Roj: it is encrypted using the key you added to launchpad
[13:14] <dobey> Roj: you must decrypt it to read it
[13:18] <Roj> no any why to active it with out encrypted mail i use any chrome and firefox add-ons but can not read
[13:21] <dobey> copy and paste the body of the message into a text file, and use gpg to decrypt it locally then
[13:21] <dobey> and stop pasting it in a privmsg to me
[13:21] <dobey> i can't do anything wit hit
[13:22] <Roj> :(
[15:05] <bdmurray> sinzui: regarding https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/201431 grub-pc is binary package provided by grub2.  I thought launchpad used to redirect from a binary package to a source package.
[15:08] <sinzui> bdmurray, I don't think Lp does that redirect. I thought apport knew which package the user has. Since packaging changes, lp would need more information to complete the redirect
[15:13] <sinzui> bdmurray, `ubuntu-bug grub-pc` certainly knows that grub2 is the sourcepackage
[16:40]  * mpt wonders if <https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport> actually works any more
[16:40] <mpt> It's timed out 100% of the time for me the past week
[17:03] <dobey> Error ID: OOPS-6f6ea6859b389c761c1a37754e492700
[17:07] <Lasall> why is there an dependency wait / unmet dependency? https://code.launchpad.net/~depict/+archive/depict-dev/+build/3639863
[17:07] <Lasall> see control file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~depict/d-pict/depict-debian/view/head:/debian/control
[17:07] <Lasall> pbuilder works fine with precise
[17:27] <dobey> Lasall: i'd just get rid of the "valac (>= 0.16) |" there and have it just require valac-0.16
[18:18] <Lasall> dobey: good idea.
[18:18] <Lasall> thx
[18:32] <wooo> heywhen i am uploading a package on launchpad by using command dput ppa:your-lp-id/ppa <source.changes> it is giving me error hecking signature on .changes gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.gpg: the signature could not be verified.Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc) should be the first file given on the command line.No signature on /home/manu/geekchat_0.1-0extras11.10.1_i386.changes.
[18:32] <wooo> sombody pls help..its urgent!!
[18:34] <wooo> anyone please help!!!!!!!!!
[18:36] <Lasall> wooo: sign your files with debsign
[18:36] <wooo> Lasall: how to do that??
[18:37] <Lasall> wooo: run: debsign <yourchangesfiles>.changes
[18:38] <Lasall> do you have a gpg key already?
[18:41] <lucas_> Hello, I'm new to bzr/Launchpad and I've just create a new project. When I try to upload my local branch (made bzr init before, pure source code) with "bzr push lp:~lucasbetschart/qubuntuone/trunk" I always get the following error:    bzr: ERROR: Zugriff verweigert: »~lucasbetschart/qubuntuone/trunk/«: : You cannot create branches in "~lucasbetschart/qubuntuone"
[18:41] <lucas_> "Zugriff verweigert" means acces denied. What am I doing wrong?
[19:01] <Lasall> lucas_: you have to setup code hosting for your project first
[19:01] <Lasall> (afaik)
[19:08] <dobey> no, the problem is that he created it in a way that he doesn't have permissions to upload
[19:10] <dobey> oh, and maybe code hosting does need to be configured
[19:12] <dobey> lucas_: you should not make your project be "part of" ubuntuone
[19:13] <lucas_> ah yes thx, that was the mistake
[19:14] <lucas_> because I made it part of ubuntuone
[19:14] <lucas_> I though this is just more for visuel categorisation


[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[17:36] <bashrc> QUESTION: if bob and alice both have spare computers can they combine them into a single cloud with the single command that mark mentioned?
[17:59] <dholbach> bashrc, try asking in #ubuntu-uds-plenary
[18:00] <dholbach> (although we're soon running out of time on this session)
[18:03] <bashrc> heh, I missed it


[01:05] <rud0lf> can i reboot xubuntu (logged in into gui) by terminal's "sudo reboot"?
[01:05] <rud0lf> or is it discouraged?
[01:18] <well_laid_lawn> rud0lf:  I do that sometimes with ni issues
[01:18] <well_laid_lawn> s/ni/no/
[01:19] <rud0lf> thanks
[01:31] <twinsenaxe> sometimes i "sudo reboot" or "sudo init 6" when chrome crash or freeze., i can ignore any loss of session data because i deal with trivial things with my xubuntu desktop... i think it (couraged or discouraged) depends on how much precious your data is...
[01:32] <twinsenaxe> i'm reading https://www.fosslinux.com/1115/how-to-reboot-shutdown-log-off-pc-from-terminal-by-command-line-in-ubuntu-and-linux-mint.htm
[01:33] <twinsenaxe> reboot --help
[01:33] <twinsenaxe> init 6 --help
[09:02] <gnrp> rud0lf: It is fine. It is not much different from shutting down your system with the shutdown button in the gui, simply everything getting killed
[09:02] <rud0lf> btw
[09:03] <rud0lf> (on the other topic, actually) i've made some (a lot) changes to os
[09:03] <rud0lf> and now upon login i have this window "ubuntu encountered a problem" (report/don't send)
[09:03] <rud0lf> i'm translating off my head because it's localised to polish
[09:03] <rud0lf> how can i track it?
[09:04] <rud0lf> being pedantic, i'd like my login clean :)
[13:00] <bodiccea> instead of simply reboot, I use the REISUB magic keys... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key and https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/sysrq.html
[15:15] <xubuntu24w> how do I force gui file browsing as root and no I don't care why devs believe I should not.
[15:16] <xubuntu24w> None of the posted solutions elsewhere work
[15:16] <xubuntu24w> I'll settle for being able to login as root. Not a risk as I'm the sole user.
[15:38] <bodiccea> xubuntu24w, what do you need exactly ? Enable root login, or having a file manager run as root ?
[15:39] <diogenes_> gone
[15:40] <bodiccea> where do all these xubuntuXXw come from ? A specific IRC application ?
[15:41] <diogenes_> supposedly assigned by the ircbot, no clue.
[15:48] <brainwash> bodiccea: http://xubuntu.org/irc/
[15:49] <bodiccea> ah ok...
[19:58] <mok0> Hmm, seems my WiFi broke with the 5.0.0-15-generic update... I need to boot into 5.0.0-13-generic to get it to work. Anyone else heard about this?
[20:06] <Bashing-om> mok0: Proprietary drivers often break in a kerenel upgrade. What driver did you have amd how did you install it ?
[21:50] <mok0> Bashing-om: I am using rtl8812au-dkms it is open source.
[21:53] <mok0> I honestly can't remember if I did anything to activate it
[22:03] <Bashing-om> mok0: WIFI is not something I have a lot of experience with, but is the driver loaded ? what shows ' sudo lshw -C network ' ?


 APSA
[09:19] <mmikowski> kirvesAxe: Some Nvidia capabilities still requires closed source drivers.
[09:20] <mmikowski> IIRC, some ML and other bits are not in the OSS driver package, at least not initially.
[09:20] <mmikowski> You will want to look at their announcement, but at least to start, not all capabilities were there.
[09:21] <mmikowski> I don't know the current status off the top of my head, but things like CUDA, OptiX, and other crown jewels of Nvidia may not all be there.
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:47] <user|28> hi
 When will kubuntu 23.04 be out?
[17:23] <genii> April 20th
[17:23] <genii> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lunar-lobster-release-schedule/27284
[19:15] <Guest87> The initial release of plasma 5 was a bit rough around the edges, will Kubuntu 24.04 (I'm more curious about LTS releases because they're released every 2 years) stick with plasma 5.27 if 6.x isn't really ready yet for prime time?


[06:22] <acheronuk> LocutusOfBorg: have you any fix for the FTBFS of your merge of python-numpy on armhf?
[06:25] <acheronuk> oh. reading back a loooong way, seems slangasek was looking at that?
[06:29] <slangasek> except that I'm still blocked on reproducing it until IS sets up cosmic porter chroots for me
[06:30] <acheronuk> slangasek or anyone else: also seems jemalloc was (unwisely?) synced from experimental, where it was FTBFS on multiple architectures, and now sits preventing some redep rebuilds for the ilmbases/openexr transition from becoming valid candidates
[06:30] <acheronuk> could that maybe be removed?
[06:30] <acheronuk> slangasek: oh. right. fair enough
[06:30] <slangasek> jemalloc is on my list to look at still; it can be removed if necessary, as I told doko already
[06:32] <acheronuk> slangasek: right. hmmm. my bnc scrollback clearly has some gaps. apologies
[06:34] <slangasek> acheronuk: not necessarily, I told that to doko elsewhere :)
[06:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debootstrap (artful-proposed/main) [1.0.91ubuntu1.1 => 1.0.91ubuntu1.2] (core)
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[07:28] <acheronuk> slangasek: kubuntu-meta has "seed_base: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/" in update.cfg
[07:28] <acheronuk> I assume that is ok to keep?
[16:36] <LocutusOfBorg> slangasek, if you have some minutes, also haskell-cipher-aes has a sad "arm64 usespace and armhf build misaligment"
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> and I can't sort out the proxy error for haskell-iso8601-time and haskell-src-exts-util
[16:37] <LocutusOfBorg> but it is reproducible on pbuilder, so I'll debug it now
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg> interesting, pbuilder-dist sid login and then dpkg-buildpackage is ok, while pbuilder-dist sid build gives that HTTP error message
[16:41] <LocutusOfBorg> any idea?
[18:30] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: I'm again unlikely to be able to do anything with haskell-cipher-aes until porter chroots are available
[18:31] <slangasek> acheronuk: seed_base: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/> well, I'd say it's not ideal, but it won't break as a result of the platform bzr->git migration
[18:41] <acheronuk> slangasek: looks like its been that for a long time. I guess someone before my time thought it was a better choice :/
[18:42] <acheronuk> slangasek: also https://github.com/numpy/numpy/issues/11088
[18:42] <ubot5-ng> numpy bug 11088 in numpy "1.14.3 on sparc64: numpy.core.tests.test_multiarray.TestMethods.test__complex__should_not_work ... Bus error" (comments: 1) [Open]
[18:44] <acheronuk> the github issue looks superficially the same/similar from the debian uploader
[18:44] <acheronuk> not sure if that is overly illuminating at the moment, but fyi in case you had not seen that
[18:44] <slangasek> acheronuk: sparc64 and armhf-on-arm64 have similar alignment requirements, but I don't know that there's a sparc64 Debian porter box currently either ;)
[18:45] <slangasek> if there were an upstream patch that fixed it on sparc64 I would be +1 for applying it
[18:46] <acheronuk> not yet that I can see. now I more or less confirm the issue, hopefully may be forthcoming
[18:47] <slangasek> yeah there don't appear to be any reachable sparc64 Debian porterboxes currently
[18:48] <acheronuk> oh well. hope for an upstream fix sooner than later then
[18:51] <ginggs> slangasek: won't a armhf chroot on amdahl.d.o do the trick?
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[00:10] <TheMuso> maxb: Not that I know of, but it certainly wouldn't be hard to whip one up, simply by pulling the version with a sed regexp.
[01:06] <tcole> hello
[12:38] <apw> maxb, our tree should already carry the tags
[12:39] <apw> there is a script which is used in early release which could be adaped to do it, called retag
[12:39] <apw> but if you are using our git trees the git tags should already be on them
[12:39] <maxb> Yes, but I'd like to emulate whatever you do when I make myself a private build :-)
[12:40] <apw> tagging is manual as we release
[13:14] <LLStarks> morning.
[16:28] <monreal> I have a problem with intrepid not booting because the initrd is not generated correctly... is this the right channel?
[16:32] <rtg> monreal: what is incorrect about it?
[16:33] <monreal> rtg: ok, well, this morning it did not boot... says "udevadm trigger is not permitted while udev is unconfigured." right at the beginning
[16:34] <monreal> I googled for this but the only real match does not help
[16:34] <rtg> hmm, seems like it might be a Keybuk question.
[16:34] <rtg> monreal: was this after an update?
[16:34] <Keybuk> this sounds like you rebooted *mid* update
[16:35] <monreal> hard to say, the machine ran for some days
[16:35] <monreal> Keybuk: don't think so
[16:35] <Keybuk> or something called update-initramfs without a dependency on initramfs-tools (!!)
[16:35] <rtg> monreal: can you boot an older kernel?
[16:35] <monreal> well, I can boot the system with an old kernel and the old initrd
[16:36] <monreal> .27-9
[16:36] <BUGabundo> apw: here
[16:36] <BUGabundo> I lot wifi
[16:36] <BUGabundo> and seem not the only one
[16:36] <rtg> monreal: good, do that, then run 'update-initramfs -u'
[16:36] <apw> you lost wifi how?
[16:36] <apw> you mean if you boot with the rfkill on, and then turn it off ?
[16:36] <rtg> apw: LBM no doubt
[16:37] <BUGabundo> linux-backports-modules-2.6.28 (2.6.28-8.7) jaunty; urgency=low
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   [Stefan Bader]
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   * scripts: Fix typo in prepare-compat-wireless.sh
[16:37] <BUGabundo>     - LP: #332576
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   [Tim Gardner]
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   * Update to master-2009-03-03
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   * Accomodate request_module() calls when munging module names.
[16:37] <BUGabundo>  --  Tim Gardner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:05:15 +0000
[16:37] <BUGabundo> linux-backports-modules-2.6.28 (2.6.28-8.6) jaunty; urgency=low
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   [Tim Gardner]
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   * Added LPIA arch support
[16:37] <BUGabundo>   * Bump ABI
[16:37] <BUGabundo>  --  Tim Gardner<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 02:44:25 +0000
[16:37] <rtg> BUGabundo: I'm working on it
[16:37] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/193970?comments=all
[16:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 193970 in linux "iwl3945 | iwl4965: Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:37] <BUGabundo> ok rtg
[16:37] <BUGabundo> thanks
[16:37] <monreal> rtg: Isn't this the same that dpkg-reconfigure udev runs for example?
[16:37] <BUGabundo> I had to reboot into -7 just to have wifi
[16:37] <BUGabundo> and nvidia is also a mess!
[16:37] <BUGabundo> only noveu works
[16:38] <apw> BUGabundo, heh ... yes a bit of a mess there.
[16:38] <rtg> monreal: probably, but your _are_ living on the bleeding edge.
[16:38] <BUGabundo> I'll wait for a new kernel bump
[16:38] <apw> if you weren't using lbm before you could deinstall that i believe
[16:38] <BUGabundo> do guys have a time line? so I boot into -7 until then
[16:39] <monreal> rtg: bleeding edge? this is intrepid...
[16:39] <apw> BUGabundo, did you have linux-backports-modules before i asked you to install it?
[16:39] <apw> if not then i believe just removing it should sort you out
[16:39] <BUGabundo> let me check
[16:39] <rtg> monreal: oh, I guess I assumed Jaunty.
[16:40] <BUGabundo> linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-generic:  Installed: 2.6.28-8.7
[16:40] <BUGabundo> yea it seem I had it already
[16:40] <BUGabundo> I didn't manually installed it TODAY
[16:40] <BUGabundo> if it was, it was there a while ago
[16:40] <monreal> no... if it happened on some alpha distribution I would not care much... but this was supposed to be my stable system :(
[16:41] <apw> BUGabundo, what version did you have before?
[16:42] <BUGabundo> apw: no idea!
[16:42] <BUGabundo> need to check aptlog
[16:42] <monreal> is there a way to extract the initrds? I have a good and a bad .27-9 initrd, maybe the difference would tell what's wrong?
[16:42] <apw> BUGabundo, well the previous version is still in the pool
[16:42] <BUGabundo> ah?
[16:42] <apw> BUGabundo, are you 32 ot 64 bit?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> on my cache?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> 64
[16:43] <apw> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-backports-modules-2.6.28/linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-generic_2.6.28-8.6_amd64.deb
[16:43] <apw> i believe that that would be the previous version, you could downgrade to that
[16:43] <BUGabundo> ERROR:root:NvidiaDetection returned a error: dir modaliases/ not found
[16:43] <BUGabundo> MarkUpgrade() called on a non-upgrable pkg: 'ubuntu-desktop'
[16:43] <BUGabundo> this explains why NV sucks
[16:44] <smb_tp> monreal, cat initrd|gunzip -c|cpio --extract --make-directories should work
[16:44] <apw> BUGabundo, erp.  did you get something else in the upgrade?
[16:44] <apw> that sounds unrelated to the lbm thing
[16:44] <BUGabundo> 2009-02-18 10:07:43 status installed linux-backports-modules-jaunty <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[16:45] <BUGabundo> there it is.. the last one before today
[16:45] <BUGabundo> apw never mind NV... wrong log
[16:45] <BUGabundo> old apt.lg
[16:45] <BUGabundo> not dpkg.log.1
[16:50] <monreal> wtf, /sbin/udevadm is a script in the bad inited and a binary in the good one
[16:52] <BUGabundo> apw: rtg does that help?
[16:53] <apw> BUGabundo, sorry?
[16:53] <monreal> besides /sbin/udevadm the initrds are totally identical
[16:54] <apw> [ ]	linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-server_2.6.28-8.7_amd64.deb	04-Mar-2009 02:04 	1.2M
[16:54] <apw> [ ]	linux-backports-modules-2.6.28-8-server_2.6.28-8.7_i386.deb	04-Mar-2009 02:04 	1.2M
[16:54] <BUGabundo> (04:44:54 PM) freenode: 2009-02-18 10:07:43 status installed linux-backports-modules-jaunty <IP_ADDRESS>.8
[16:54] <BUGabundo> (04:45:21 PM) freenode: there it is.. the last one before today
[16:54] <BUGabundo> apw ^^^^^^^
[16:54] <apw> those two appear to be the broken one
[16:54] <BUGabundo> I would believe so
[16:55] <apw> the link i posted to you before was a link to the .deb of the version which preceded that
[16:55] <apw> which would likley fix your issue
[16:55] <apw> wget that down and dpkg -i foo.deb on it
[16:55] <ogasawara> sbeattie: ok if I add a "linux" task to bug 329489 for the patch you provided
[16:55] <ubot3> Malone bug 329489 in apparmor "locks on unlinked files leak memory in apparmor" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329489
[16:55] <sbeattie> ogasawara: uh, yeah. Doh.
[16:55] <BUGabundo> apw so in the mean time removing it should fix it?
[16:56] <apw> BUGabundo, no, if you had it installed before you updated, then you would want the older version i posted above
[16:56] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:57] <BUGabundo> apw: downgraded
[16:57] <apw> BUGabundo, let me know if it works for you :)
[16:57] <BUGabundo> no time now!
[16:57] <BUGabundo> at work.. busy
[16:58] <BUGabundo> that's why I needed it working
[16:58] <BUGabundo> strange... it was working fine, I upgraded as I do every day... still worked
[16:58] <BUGabundo> then when I tried to reconect to wifi... no more!
[17:01] <apw> BUGabundo, strange indeed
[17:05] <TheMuso> apw: Whats the status of getting the HDMI patches into the kernel for the dell hardware we have/are working with?
[17:07] <apw> i thought the stuff kernel side was already in
[17:07] <apw> mayhaps i miss remember
[17:08] <TheMuso> apw: afaik there were patches that Mario pointed out to you that needed to be applied.
[17:08] <apw> they got applied somewhere i thought
[17:09] <apw> perhaps it was just a ppa kernel, hmmm
[17:09] <apw> TheMuso, the short answer is i don't know for sure
[17:09] <apw> and i need to go find out
[17:09] <TheMuso> apw: Just checking, but I don't think so, as I have a separate branch locally that I rebase against mainline with, and the patches always have to be applied.
[17:10] <TheMuso> apw: i.e I have to apply the patches every time I want the latest jaunty kernel for the dell I have access to currently.
[17:10] <apw> TheMuso, is that branch somewhere i can see it, be good to compare it to anything i find
[17:10] <TheMuso> apw: No, once I rebase against latest Jaunty I can push a tree to zinc if thats helpful.
[17:10] <apw> TheMuso, that would be perfect
[17:10] <TheMuso> ok will do so shortly.
[17:12] <apw> TheMuso, sorry to be vague, i have 71 branches in my jaunty tree alone and some things slip through the cracks
[17:12] <TheMuso> apw: np
[17:22] <TheMuso> apw: git://kernel.ubuntu.com/themuso/ubuntu-jaunty.git has the hdmi related patches rebased on top of latest jaunty mainline in git./
[17:26] <rtg> apw: I'll take care of the Jaunty HDMI stuff.
[17:26] <apw> rtg ... ok
[17:28] <rtg> apw: how did all of these patches get your SOB without going into Jaunty?
[17:28] <apw> i assume they are signed off by me in the branch that i have here
[17:28] <apw> TheMuso, where did you get your patch stack from
[17:28] <apw> me ?
[17:29] <apw> i did the collection of the patches a long time back and we made test kernels
[17:29] <apw> i would have signed them as i pulled them into my branch ready for pushing to jaunty
[17:29] <rtg> apw: I guess that wuold explain it
[17:29] <apw> i assume that part is the bit which was missed
[17:29] <TheMuso> apw: I asked Mario about the HDMI patches, and he referred me to a tree of yours if I remember correctly.
[17:29] <apw> then that all fits with my expectation
[17:30] <rtg> TheMuso: I assume this stuff is tested to work?
[17:30] <apw> i was going to compare the two, but as i assume TheMuso has actually tested this pile, i would tend to use his
[17:30] <TheMuso> rtg: Yes, I've been rolling hdmi enabled kernels every jaunty kernel upload for use on the dell notebook I currently have, and yes HDMI is working.
[17:30] <rtg> TheMuso: cool, I'll pull it
[18:21] <Keybuk> do we copy modules.order into /lib/modules/blah ?
[18:25] <rtg> Keybuk: never seen that file.
[18:25] <Keybuk> it's in the top-level of the build afterwards
[18:25] <Keybuk> the word would me made of more kittens if you could include that in the kernel package in the /lib/modules/blah directory
[18:26] <rtg> something new with Jaunty that I've not noticed?
[18:26] <Keybuk> no, turned up about a year ago upstream,
[18:26] <Keybuk> it's a file containing the order that modules would be linked into the kernel had they been built-ins
[18:26] <Keybuk> modprobe will load modules in that order when multiple ones match
[18:26] <Keybuk> ie. the modprobe order for a MODALIAS and the built-in order will match
[18:26] <Keybuk> rather than being random
[18:28] <rtg> Keybuk: there appears to be one in each subdirectory that creates a .ko. Do you want them all?
[18:28] <Keybuk> no
[18:29] <Keybuk> just the top-level one
[18:29] <Keybuk> the kernel cats them all together as part of MODPOST
[18:29] <rtg> there it is, couldn't see it for the forest.
[18:31] <tcole> by the way, what is the correct next step for bug #300143?
[18:31] <ubot3> Malone bug 300143 in linux "tablet devices show up as non-functional joysticks" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300143
[18:34] <Keybuk> apw: you remember how we were looking into the problem of making built-in modules show up somehow to modprobe
[18:34] <Keybuk> apw: it turns out that the kernel almost but not quite does this already
[18:34] <Keybuk> e.g. /sys/module/printk :p
[18:34] <Keybuk> it just looks like certain modules aren't showing up
[18:34] <Keybuk> (like ata_piix)
[18:43] <rtg> Keybuk: how is modules.order going to be affected by external build like LBM ?
[18:51] <tcole> my question's been answered elsewhere, but thank you
[18:51] <tcole> I'll submit the patch properly
[18:59] <Keybuk> rtg: doesn't LBM install into updates?
[19:00] <rtg> Keybuk: yep, but it also pre-empts module load order when /etc/modprobe.d/conf is set.
[19:01] <rtg> Keybuk: depmod.d that is
[19:11] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[19:12] <rtg> Keybuk: /etc/depmod.d/ubuntu.conf controls search order, which seems to preempt the order defined in modules.order
[19:13] <Keybuk> exactly
[19:13] <Keybuk> so if you have something in LBM, it'll be in updates, so preferred
[19:14] <rtg> Keybuk: yep.
[19:14] <Keybuk> isn't that desired?
[19:14] <rtg> Keybuk: yes, which is why I asked if modules.order would have any affect in that case. If not, then I'm ok with it.
[19:16] <Keybuk> great
[19:17] <rtg> Keybuk: different topic. is it OK to make kexec-tools depend on initramfs-tools ?
[19:17] <Keybuk> I can't see why not
[19:18] <rtg> k
[20:22] <kristian1> is this the kernel?
[20:31] <maxb> How do I ask the latest linux-backports-modules to be in a different wireless regulatory zone?
[20:37] <Wellark> could someone take alook at this, please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/273152
[20:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 273152 in linux-meta "New rtl8187b device ID" [Undecided,New]
[20:38] <Wellark> it's probably filed against wrong package as it's trivial and fix is attached, but it seems that jaunty kernel is missing the ID, too
[22:22] <jbuncher> apw:  I just saw your post to Bug #327431, but I'm not sure how to test the version of linux-ubuntu-modules that you uploaded.  The package you want me to test has the 2.6.24-24 kernel numbering, but I don't have that installed.  Will I be able to test that package with the -23 kernel?
[22:22] <ubot3> Malone bug 327431 in linux "iwl3945 cannot connect to hidden ssid WPA enterprise with Hardy 2.6.24-23 - Regression" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/327431
[23:05] <apw> jbuncher, hrm, i built that against the latest kernel for hardy i guess.  i downloaded the headers to build it from the pool so it must be in there
[23:05] <apw> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-image-2.6.24-24-generic_2.6.24-24.50_i386.deb
[23:05] <apw> is probabally it
[23:07] <jbuncher> apw:  Ok. I'll install that kernel first and test it (just to check if -24 fixed the problem anyway), then I'll try with the new -ubuntu-modules you uploaded.  It might take me a while to do, as I have to get my laptop repaired in the next day or so (dc power jack issues).
[23:08] <apw> heh typical ... thanks for testing
[23:41] <maco> does bug 270754 make sense to any of you?  the person says their computer worked fine until installing Intrepid either wiped or corrupted their BIOS.
[23:41] <ubot3> Malone bug 270754 in ubuntu "8.10 Killed my motherboard?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270754
[23:44] <soren> What exactly is it that makes the iptables modules load when I run iptables for the first time?
[23:46] <soren> Oh. Hah. Never mind :)


[09:15] <mup> PR operator#716 closed: Updated docs on planned units <Created by pengale> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/716>
[09:40] <mup> Issue operator#707 closed: Exposure of `JUJU_DEPARTING_UNIT` <Created by MiaAltieri> <Closed by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/707>
[09:40] <mup> PR operator#712 closed: expose the departing unit on RelationDeparted events <Created by rwcarlsen> <Merged by jnsgruk> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/712>