[00:05] <gamerchick02> i did not know that. thanks!
[10:42] <rick_h_> heh http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/23/5643774/google-is-testing-stars-an-attempt-to-make-bookmarking-actually-useful
[10:42] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/qyGNmt - Google is testing 'Stars,' an attempt to make bookmarking actually useful | The Verge
[11:19] <brousch> rick_h_: Sounds more like evernote than bookie to me
[13:06] <cmaloney> OK, am I missing something?
[13:06] <cmaloney> 14.04 doesn't have an alternate .iso?
[13:06] <cmaloney> So how does one set up RAID under 14.04?
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: server iso?
[13:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's the best option at the moment
[14:57] <brousch> Drama on the GSoC ML
[14:57] <cmaloney> Of course.
[14:57] <rick_h_> lol
[14:57] <rick_h_> yea, I love it. Makes me realize our drama is so small
[14:58] <cmaloney> Whatever. Go grind your axe off-list.
[14:58] <cmaloney> brb.
[14:58] <brousch> Why would he even sign up as a mentor to begin with?
[14:59] <brousch> rick_h_: I didn't know orgs got paid. What are you doing with your $500? PSF sucks up ours.
[14:59] <brousch> The t-shirts and such?
[14:59] <rick_h_> brousch: not sure I'll ask for it yet tbh
[14:59] <rick_h_> I've got to look at the docs and paperwork
[15:02] <brousch> Nice that they'll fly you to Google too
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: does bookie have a twitter account? I was going to mention in a tweet but couldn't find one
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> i ended up just mentioning you and linking to the github
[15:57] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: RT you from there
[15:57] <rick_h_> RT'd that is
[15:59] <mrgoodcat> cool
[15:59] <mrgoodcat> followed
[17:16] <brousch> It's amazing how a $100 car repair turns into $750
[17:19] <rick_h_> brousch: ftw :/
[17:20] <brousch> My usual mechanic doesn't do alignments, so I brought it to belle tire. They want to replace my shocks and struts
[17:20] <brousch> balance and alignment
[17:21] <cmaloney> Yeah, they're all about upsell
[17:26] <mrgoodcat> wow
[17:39] <tony-smlr> .?
[17:39] <rick_h_> .? party party
[17:40] <brousch> Now they think I should get new wheels too
[17:41] <rick_h_> lol, tirerack those bad boys
[17:41] <rick_h_> :)
[17:42] <brousch> I don't know what that means
[17:43] <rick_h_> I had to get new wheels and got them from tireracka because they were $440 per wheel at VW and < $250 at tirerack
[17:43] <rick_h_> anyway, as a fellow wheel buyer
[17:47] <Havenstance> what permissions do I have to give my folders for samba to be able to share them?
[17:48] <brousch> Same permissions your user would need
[17:48] <Havenstance> at this point i can read and write on the local machine but when i try to access from a windows client on the network I get a permission denied
[17:48] <brousch> Usually add the user to a group, give the group permission
[17:49] <brousch> don't forget to add the user to samba
[17:49] <brousch> smbpasswd -a myuser
[18:37] <jrwren> brousch: how old a car?
[18:40] <brousch> 2002
[18:47] <jrwren> huh, crazy.
[18:47] <brousch> rick_h_: Wheels for my car would be $60 - $80
[18:47] <jrwren> my 2003, i never get any suggestions on stuff.
[18:47] <brousch> I wonder why yours are so much more
[18:48] <brousch> jrwren: I think it's due to Belle tire being shady
[18:48] <jrwren> i figured they see how old it is, and guess that I'm super poor and i don't do anything.
[18:48] <jrwren> oh.
[18:48] <jrwren> so are you really spending all that just for an alignment?
[18:48] <brousch> I'll bring it to my regular mechanic tomorrow and see what he says
[18:48] <jrwren> hell, $100 is a lot just for an alignment
[18:48] <brousch> No.  Nobody looking at it would think I care
[18:49] <jrwren> what were they thinking? what a bunch of idiots.
[18:49] <mrgoodcat> mine is actually still pretty nice. just haven't put the new bumper on it yet
[18:49] <brousch> I threw a wheel weight during the winter and it vibrates a lot over 50mph
[18:50] <brousch> Much better now that it's rebalanced
[18:50] <rick_h_> yea, if the balance isn't just right the touareg shutters
[18:50] <jrwren> that sounds nice.
[18:50] <jrwren> I'd do that, except i'd just lose a weight on my commute home from the store.
[18:50] <rick_h_> hah
[18:52] <brousch> I asked for alignment, but when they went to the up-sell they mentioned alignment is free with the $700 of other stuff. So I said OK just do the balancing for now
[18:52] <brousch> Now I can see if the balance fixes my problems or if it really needs an alignment too
[18:52] <mrgoodcat> heh
[18:52] <mrgoodcat> ~free~
[18:52] <brousch> So their up-sell cost them $75
[18:53] <mrgoodcat> rick_h_: get a chance to look at teh docs?
[18:54] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: no, worky worky for me
[18:55] <mrgoodcat> busy busy bees
[18:55] <mrgoodcat> how did the release go? wasn't that supposed to be today?
[18:55] <rick_h_> yea, was up until 2am working on work last night and back at it today
[18:55] <rick_h_> heh, it was supposed to be...except for the working until 2am thing found issues that made it no releaseable
[18:55] <mrgoodcat> eww
[18:56] <rick_h_> pretty much
[19:00] <cmaloney> Ugh
[19:01] <mrgoodcat> brousch: playing with rpi with the kid?
[19:01] <brousch> Not yet :(
[19:01] <mrgoodcat> stop motion animation on bmark.us/recent
[19:01] <brousch> Too many meetings
[19:01] <brousch> mrgoodcat: I BMed it :P
[19:02] <brousch> I am going to use BM now instead of bookmark
[19:08] <_stink_> hahaha
[19:09]  * rick_h_ just shakes head
[19:09] <rick_h_> bmark? anyone?
[19:12] <brousch> I will fork Bookie and create MyBMs.com
[19:43] <jrwren> i'm lolling.
[19:44] <jrwren> bmark logo is going to be a steaming turd.  sorry rick_h_
[20:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: woot, my work is done here
[21:14] <mrgoodcat> wow http://www.daniellesucher.com/2014/04/24/my-new-favorite-vim-tmux-bug/
[21:14] <bookiebot> http://is.gd/Oks9Qt - My new favorite vim/tmux bug - Danielle Sucher
[21:14] <mrgoodcat> just going to say i'd probably never have figured that out
[21:14] <mrgoodcat> t_F9 == F19 wat


[00:23] <micahg> lifeless: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/126078
[00:25] <lifeless> wgrant: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/126078 could you note in there what needs doing to make it trivial for EBUSY losas's :)
[00:29] <wgrant> lifeless: Done.
[00:29] <lifeless> spm: in your queue, low pri-or-hand-to-your-successor-this-evening
[00:29] <lifeless> spm: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/126078
[01:22] <micahg> can we no longer subscribe people to questions?
[01:22] <lifeless> micahg: I don't recall any changes to stop it
[01:22] <lifeless> why?
[01:23] <micahg> becuase I can't do it on the above question
[01:25]  * micahg looks for a bug
[01:26] <bdrung_> i have a question about launchpadlib: if i have a merge proposal object, how do i get the related distribution?
[01:26] <micahg> lifeless: bug 201498
[01:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 201498 in Launchpad Answers "subscribe someone else to a question in Answers (affected: 1, heat: 12)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/201498
[01:27]  * micahg guesses it was never there to being with
[01:34] <lifeless> bdrung_: from the target branch
[01:37] <bdrung_> lifeless: mergeproposal.target_branch.?
[01:39] <lifeless> yeah
[01:39] <bdrung_> lifeless: i don't see a distribution link in https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html#branch
[01:39] <bdrung_> am i blind or is there a trick?
[01:40] <lifeless> well it won't be to distro
[01:40] <lifeless> it will be to distro series
[01:40] <lifeless> and it may not be exposed yet
[01:41] <lifeless> nope, there it goes
[01:41] <lifeless> sourcepackage_link
[01:42] <bdrung_> lifeless: mergeproposal.target_branch.sourcepackage.distribution . let's test it
[01:47] <poolie> i just got a gpg rejection mail from launchpad
[01:48] <poolie> even though i wasn't asking it to do anything but add a comment
[01:48] <poolie> is this a known bug?
[01:48] <lifeless> hmm
[01:48] <lifeless> it may be; colin watson filed a bug last week on malone
[02:13] <poolie> ah mine was bug 643170
[02:13] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 643170 in Launchpad Foundations "mail quoting a gpg-signed mail produces "submit request failure" (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643170
[02:14] <poolie> makes sense when you think about it
[02:46] <ajmitch> is loggerhead a bit broken today?
[02:49] <lifeless> first report we've had
[02:49] <lifeless> why/
[02:50] <ajmitch> OOPS-1724CB184
[02:50] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1724CB184
[02:50] <ajmitch> I was probably being bad, since I was opening a series of revisions in a new tab
[02:50] <ajmitch> got an oops on each of them
[02:53] <lifeless> try again
[02:54] <ajmitch> still broke, OOPS-1724CB204
[02:54] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1724CB204
[02:56] <lifeless> spm: can you see of loggerhead has gone south and if so gcore and restrat ?
[02:59] <spm> hrm. it seems perfectly fine. doing zip all.
[03:02] <lifeless> hmm
[03:02] <lifeless> ajmitch: what url ?
[03:02] <ajmitch> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/libindicate/trunk/revision/382
[03:02] <lifeless> hmm, that should be trivial
[03:03] <lifeless> the OOPS reports aren't showing up in the oops ui
[03:03] <lifeless> could you do me a favour and file a bug about that on launchpad-foundations
[03:03] <wgrant> *cough* op issue
[03:04] <lifeless> wgrant: *cough* no
[03:04] <ajmitch> file a bug about the OOPS happening, or it not showing up for you?
[03:04] <wgrant> :(
[03:05] <lifeless> wgrant: and even if it was, we're one project, not two projects.
[03:05] <lifeless> ajmitch: about it not showing up.
[03:06] <ajmitch> ok, bug #643182
[03:06] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 643182 in Launchpad Foundations "OOPS report not showing up in the OOPS UI (affected: 1, heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/643182
[03:07] <ajmitch> given the number of revisions I tried to view at once, I probably caused some locking to go funny
[03:08] <lifeless> its readonly ;)
[03:08] <lifeless> there's clearly also an issue with the branch, but until we can diagnose..
[03:08] <ajmitch> I won't pretend to know why it fell over in a screaming heap then :)
[06:06] <micahg> lifeless: do you have a document explaining why bi-directional linking with upstream is good?
[06:06] <lifeless> no idea
[06:06] <lifeless> probably
[06:07] <micahg> lifeless: Mozilla's asking why they need it
[06:07] <micahg> mozilla 597786
[06:07] <ubot5`> Mozilla bug 597786 in Bugzilla: Other b.m.o Issues "Ubuntu Launchpad bugspamming b.m.o. Linking to (Ancient|Dupped|Wrong Product) bugs." [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597786
[06:07] <lifeless> gmb: ^
[06:07]  * micahg thinks he's subscribed already
[06:07] <lifeless> micahg: you have seen the parallel bug in launchpad, right ?
[06:07] <micahg> lifeless: yes
[06:07] <lifeless> good good
[06:07] <micahg> lifeless: but the LP bug seemed a little tamer
[06:08] <lifeless> so it allows closer integration
[06:08] <lifeless> it breaks down the silo and allows something more like federation
[06:08] <lifeless> its new, and there will be tuning steps needed.
[06:08] <lifeless> I'm sure there is a spec /wiki page(s) etc
[06:09] <lifeless> but you'll be just as able as I to find them.
[06:09] <lifeless> there are some contentious angles
[06:09] <lifeless> one is extra noise (though frankly, if this had happened when the bugs were open, as it would normally, not 2 years later), I don't htink anyone would have thought to complain.
[06:10] <lifeless> another is the proxy effect of non bugzilla users being able to comment via LP
[06:10] <micahg> lifeless: what if we just added more recent stuff?
[06:10] <lifeless> but see also http://www.salmon-protocol.org/
[06:10] <micahg> like w/in the last year?
[06:10] <lifeless> which would be lovely to migrate to, but LP needs more of an atom/rss model for that to be within reach.
[06:10] <lifeless> micahg: well it should be caught up now.
[06:11] <lifeless> but talk to gmb; the dude knows.
[06:11] <micahg> lifeless: k, will have to do later if I"m still on or in the morning here
[08:57] <Eliovir> hello
[08:58] <Eliovir> is there a problem with the translation export to bzr branch ?
[08:58] <Eliovir> https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+question/125775
[09:03] <dpm> henninge, ^
[09:45] <henninge> Eliovir, dpm: jtv will be looking into this.
[09:45]  * jtv waves
[09:46] <Eliovir> henninge: thanks
[09:51] <Eliovir> jtv, thanks for finding the bug.
[09:52] <jtv> Eliovir: I haven't found anything yet… we have the error message, but I'm still looking for what might trigger it.
[09:52] <Eliovir> ;) it is "in progress"
[09:52] <jtv> It's not directly triggered by translations code, only indirectly.  So the question is now, where exactly.
[09:53] <Eliovir> so, good luck/good work!
[09:53] <jtv> thanks :)
[09:54] <jtv> Eliovir: do you happen to know whether the template(s) contain a translation credits message?
[09:54] <jtv> (If so, chances are actually that the same error is waiting for us in the translation UI somewhere)
[09:55] <Eliovir> I'm looking
[09:55] <jtv> I'm guessing probably not, but might as well check.
[09:55] <jtv> Thanks.
[09:55] <Eliovir> the only email address is
[09:55] <Eliovir> "Language-Team: eo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:56] <Eliovir> for example
[09:56] <Eliovir> and
[09:56] <Eliovir> # FULL NAME <EMAIL@ADDRESS>, 2010.
[09:56] <Eliovir> hm, sorry, you told "template"
[09:57] <Eliovir> "Last-Translator: FULL NAME <EMAIL@ADDRESS>\n" "Language-Team: LANGUAGE<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:57] <jtv> The translation credits message is a special msgid, typically "translator_credits" or somesuch
[09:57] <jtv> That's where the names and email addresses of the translators are automatically inserted.
[09:58] <jtv> (It's not actually translatable in the Launchpad UI, because the "translation" is automatically generated, but it shows up as one of the messages in the template)
[09:58] <Eliovir> the templates do not contain such message
[09:58] <jtv> OK
[09:58] <Eliovir> thanks for the notice
[10:01] <jtv> ah-hah
[10:02] <jtv> Eliovir: I have a suspect, though it's not actually in the Translations code.  I'll go over to #launchpad-dev to see if I can raise anyone to discuss it with.
[10:03] <jtv> (If you're interested in Launchpad's internal workings, my suspect is a function called get_contact_email_addresses)
[10:05] <jtv> Hrm… no, I clear that one of all charges.  Back to searching.
[10:11] <jtv> Okay, new suspect… I _think_ this can happen if we have no preferred email address for the branch owner.
[10:11] <ricotz> bigjools, hello, i found a build which is stuck - https://edge.launchpad.net/~guido-iodice/+archive/guiodic-testing/+build/1958516
[10:12] <bigjools> ricotz: ok thanks, I need to wait for an admin to reset the builder
[10:12] <Eliovir> jtv: I have a prefered email-address
[10:12] <jtv> Eliovir: but you're not the branch owner, are you?  :)  It's owned by a team.
[10:13] <Eliovir> ;) you're right
[10:13] <jtv> This is a change in the Code app that we developed for this feature.
[10:13] <jtv> (We developed the change for this feature, not the entire Code app :)
[10:14] <Eliovir> jtv: the team does not have an email address 'No contact email'
[10:14] <jtv> 'zacly
[10:14] <Eliovir> jtv: if you need, I can set an email address
[10:15] <jtv> Eliovir: if my guess is right, that'll work around the problem for now.
[10:15] <Eliovir> jtv: do you want I set an email address or you want to change the code ?
[10:17] <jtv> Eliovir: I'll change the code, and hopefully that'll fix the problem before tomorrow's run.
[10:17] <Eliovir> many thx
[10:18] <jtv> But in case I don't make it (I need to design a solution together with people in other timezones), it'd still be useful to set a contact address.  If that fixes your problem before I get my fix in, it'll confirm whether this is really the problem you're hitting.
[10:27] <Eliovir> jtv: ok, so I set it. I nothing occurs tomorrow, I'll come back to tell it.
[11:51] <luboss> hello
[11:54] <luboss> do you think that you could point me to place where I could find how ubuntu repository work? what's the mechanism behind creating distro files. I have found bunch of tools which can do the work, but very curious which of them uses Ubuntu.
[11:54] <luboss> not distro files, sorry. I mean suites - releases
[12:12] <Odd_Bloke> I'd appreciate someone having a look at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/123948
[13:14] <maxb> Is there a CHR person?
[13:15] <maxb> If so, please reassign development focus branch on https://edge.launchpad.net/librsvg/main from lp:~vcs-imports/librsvg/old-svn to lp:~vcs-imports/librsvg/master
[13:19] <bdrung_> when will the bzr-builder format 0.3 be supported? i tried to use it, but i got an oops (OOPS-1724ED552)
[13:19] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1724ED552
[13:25] <allenap> Hi maxb :)
[13:25] <maxb> Hi
[13:26] <allenap> maxb: Done.
[13:26] <maxb> Also, could you public-pastebin bdrung_'s oops?
[13:27] <maxb> thanks
[13:29] <allenap> maxb: Is the traceback enough? I'm not sure if there's sensitive information in the rest of the log.
[13:29] <maxb> traceback should be enough to hazard a guess as to the cause
[13:30] <allenap> maxb: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/496992/
[13:34] <maxb> bdrung_: So, it looks like a new enough bzr-builder was integrated already, but there's still a check in the Launchpad code which believes 0.2 is the maximum supported.
[13:34] <bdrung_> ok
[13:34] <maxb> It would probably be wise to file a bug against launchpad-code to record that, in which case there's a decent chance it can be taken care of for next month's rollout
[13:36] <wgrant> maxb, bdrung_: There's already a branch in progress to support 0.3.
[13:36] <wgrant> It's even approved.
[13:36] <maxb> ah. I checked for bugs
[13:37] <bdrung_> do you have the bug number?
[13:38] <wgrant> I don't think there is one.
[13:38] <wgrant> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~abentley/launchpad/allow-0.3/+merge/34478
[13:43] <bdrung_> that links to bug #479705, which has an open launchpad-code task
[13:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 479705 in Launchpad Bazaar Integration "merge subdirs (affected: 4, heat: 22)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/479705
[13:44] <wgrant> Ah, I didn't see the -code task.
[14:07] <mgedmin> "OOPS reports - lovely" on https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide tickles my curiosity
[14:07] <mgedmin> do you have any non-private examples?
[15:05] <jml> mgedmin, not that I know of.
[15:05] <jml> mgedmin, there might be some pasted on the public mailing list
[15:21] <james_w> hey, oopses generate by loggerhead!
[15:26] <jcastro> Hi, I need help transferring the smuxi superproject to the right person: https://edge.launchpad.net/smuxi
[15:48] <Odd_Bloke> maxb: I've worked out the problem at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/123948.  Should I now file a bug?
[15:48] <Odd_Bloke> maxb: Thanks for all your help, by the way. :)
[15:55] <maxb> *blink* That's. Really. Not. Supposed. To. Happen.
[16:18] <mdeslaur> Can someone help me? I've been trying to unembargo a security update for the past two hours, and LP has been OOPSING every single time. ie: OOPS-1724O1306
[16:18] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1724O1306
[16:19] <mdeslaur> or this: OOPS-1724L1218
[16:19] <ubot5`> https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=1724L1218
[17:31] <allenap> mdeslaur: That OOPS is not recorded it seems. Can you check that it's correct?
[17:58] <cjohnston> What's up with bazaar.lp.net?
[17:59] <mdeslaur> allenap: actually, it's bug #641338
[17:59] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 641338 in Soyuz "timeouts too low for security unembargo (affected: 1, heat: 10)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641338
[18:00] <cjohnston> I'm constantly getting "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server." when trying to look at code on lp
[18:16] <gege2061> Hello
[18:17] <gege2061> (sorry for my poor english)
[18:17] <gege2061> I have a problem with launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide/valide/trunk/files
[18:17] <gege2061> And I can't init a new local repository:
[18:18] <gege2061> $ bzr init lp:valide
[18:18] <gege2061> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', "Cannot lock LockDir(lp-100603472:///%2Bbranch/valide/.bzr/branchlock): File exists: u'/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/mirrors/00/05/bb/f3/.bzr/branch/lock': [Errno 17] File exists: '/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/mirrors/00/05/bb/f3/.bzr/branch/lock'")
[18:19] <gege2061> anyone can help me?
[18:40] <maxb> gege2061: Generally, you do not "bzr init" branches on Launchpad. You initialize a new branch locally, and push it to launchpad once you've got something in the branch
[18:43] <gege2061> maxb: indeed, 'bzr branch' is better but doesn't work
[18:43] <maxb> What are you actually trying to do?
[18:43] <gege2061> $ bzr branch lp:valide
[18:44] <gege2061> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide-dev/valide/trunk/": location is a repository.
[18:44] <maxb> right, so what we have here is a stacking issue. Let me investigate...
[18:44] <gege2061> It's probably du to the new team (valide-dev)
[18:44] <gege2061> maxb: thank's
[18:44] <maxb> yes, combine with a launchpad bug
[18:46] <maxb> gege2061: Why is there both ~valide-dev/valide/trunk and ~valide/valide/trunk ? What is the intended end result?
[18:47] <gege2061> I don't know, I created a new team for a mailing-list
[18:48] <gege2061> ~/valide/valide/trunk is the only valid branch
[18:49] <maxb> hmm. I wonder what someone did to create that
[18:49] <maxb> s/that/the other branch, with this messed up stacking relationship
[18:55] <gege2061> strangely my local branche point to ~valide-dev/valide/trunk but I don't ask anything
[18:57] <ahasenack> can I undo a nomination for a release?
[18:57] <maxb> ahasenack: I don't think so
[18:57] <ahasenack> it wasn't acted upon yet, it just says "nominated for maverick by foo"
[18:58] <maxb> gege2061: Ok, so what has happened, is that somehow someone has deleted the branch tip metadata for lp:~valide-dev/valide/trunk, and turned it into a shared repository
[19:01] <jcsackett> freaking internet connection is having issues today.
[19:02] <gege2061> maxb: I have an opportunity to correct it?
[19:02] <maxb> Yes, I'm just trying to figure out how to best describe the process
[19:07] <maxb> gege2061: Please could you run "bzr init lp:~valide-dev/valide/trunk" - I am expecting it to error, but have done something useful by the time it errors
[19:13] <gege2061> maxb: bzr: ERROR: Already a branch: "lp:~valide/valide/trunk".
[19:13] <maxb> you did run exactly what I said? ~valide-*dev* not ~valide?
[19:14] <gege2061> bzr: ERROR: Already a branch: "lp:~valide-dev/valide/trunk".
[19:14] <maxb> gege2061: great, it's improved the situation a bit
[19:15] <maxb> gege2061: ok, so next step is to get things to the point where you can delete one of the trunks
[19:16] <maxb> First, lp:valide/website is marked as sharing storage with it, though it doesn't need to - so run: bzr reconfigure --unstacked lp:valide/website
[19:18] <gege2061> maxb: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/valide/website/ is now not stacked
[19:21] <maxb> gege2061: right, now the same for the other branch: bzr reconfigure --unstacked lp:valide
[19:24] <gege2061> maxb: done
[19:25] <maxb> gege2061: Ideally you would now delete ~valide-dev/valide/trunk. However, there's one recipe build attached to it
[19:26] <maxb> You would have to get the owner of the recipe build to delete it first
[19:29] <Azendale> I'm having problems looking at bzr branches. Is that down for scheduled maintenance or something?
[19:30] <gege2061> maxb: On the website, that doesn't work : "This branch cannot be deleted as it has 6  branches sharing revisions."
[19:31] <maxb> gege2061: hmm, looking
[19:31] <maxb> Azendale: not that I know of, but it breaks often. Can you paste an exact URL that breaks?
[19:32] <gege2061> maxb: the command is mut (no message)
[19:34] <maxb> gege2061: Could you try "bzr reconfigure --stacked-on=bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide/valide/trunk lp:~valide/valide/0.7" ?
[19:35] <maxb> And if that succeeds, repeat for 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.5.1 0.6.1
[19:35] <gege2061> ok
[19:38] <gege2061> maxb: I have a problem with 0.4 and 0.5:
[19:38] <gege2061> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide/valide/main/".
[19:39] <maxb> ah, I see, stuff has been renamed in the past
[19:40] <maxb> gege2061: Could you download this script, the bzr core command doesn't have the necessary options for fixing this alone: http://j.maxb.eu/~maxb/bzr-set-stacked-url.py
[19:41] <maxb> You can then run "./bzr-set-stacked-url.py lp:~valide/valide/0.4 ~valide-dev/valide/trunk", followed by "bzr reconfigure --stacked-on=bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide/valide/trunk lp:~valide/valide/0.4"
[19:41] <gege2061> ok
[19:44] <Azendale> maxb: I went away from the computer for a couple of minutes and when I retryed it it worked. It was http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/4378 if you still wanted to know
[19:45] <maxb> Azendale: ok. Unfortunately Loggerhead is a little flaky in huge deployments. People are working on it, slowly.
[19:46] <gege2061> maxb: bzrlib.errors.PermissionDenied: Permission denied: "Cannot create '~valide-dev'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."
[19:47] <gege2061> it's not rather ~/valide/valide/trunk ?
[19:47] <maxb> gege2061: oh whoops, I missed the lp: prefix
[19:48] <gege2061> maxb: bzrlib.errors.NotBranchError: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide-dev/valide/trunk/": location is a repository.
[19:48] <maxb> !
[19:49] <maxb> So somehow lp:~valide-dev/valide/trunk has returned to its earlier broken state
[19:49] <maxb> Try "bzr init lp:~valide-dev/valide/trunk" again
[19:52] <gege2061> maxb: bzr: ERROR: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide-dev/valide/trunk/.bzr/ is not a local path.
[19:53] <maxb> gege2061: ok, it says that, but it did what we need it to. Try the "./bzr-set-stacked-url.py lp:~valide/valide/0.4 lp:~valide-dev/valide/trunk", followed by "bzr reconfigure --stacked-on=bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~valide/valide/trunk lp:~valide/valide/0.4" again
[19:56] <gege2061> maxb: it's ok now
[19:56] <maxb> gege2061: ok, so repeat for 0.5, and then hopefully there will be no branches sharing revisions
[19:59] <gege2061> maxb: done
[19:59] <maxb> just to check, try deleting ~valide-dev/valide/trunk again
[20:02] <gege2061> maxb: "recipe uses this branch"
[20:03] <maxb> ok, so you'll have to get in contact with the owner of the recipe. Once they've deleted it, you should be able to finish this tidy-up
[20:03] <gege2061> Ok it's an old branch I see this the owner for deletion
[20:04] <gege2061> s/this/with/
[20:07] <gege2061> maxb: now that work fine, thank you so much for your help!
[20:07] <maxb> no problem :-)
[20:08] <gege2061> Is my fault? To avoid repeat
[20:12] <maxb> I don't think so. Part of it is a Launchpad bug that it doesn't fix the Bazaar-side metadata when it lets you rename a branch with other branches stacked upon it (this is being worked on). But there was also something very weird with the branch becoming not-a-branch
[21:55] <bsaibes_> Is the staging server up?


[13:41] <jgdx> greyback, hey, able to chat today?
[13:42] <greyback> jgdx: yeah, in a meeting atm, will ping you after
[13:42] <jgdx> greyback, okay.
[14:11] <anpok> hmm https://github.com/NVIDIA/libglvnd
[14:21] <greyback> jgdx: ok, am free now. Can we hangout?
[14:24] <jgdx> greyback, yeah, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/system-settings
[15:08] <jgdx> greyback, you'll let me know how I'll get a hold of the mir pointer? Or is that documented somewhere?
[15:12] <greyback> jgdx: this should work: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13825584/
[15:29] <jgdx> greyback, thx
[23:12] <RAOF> anpok: Yeah, that's been slowly stewing for *ages*.
[23:12] <RAOF> (libglvnd)


[09:35] <cjwatson> lamont: do the livefs buildds have natty chroots yet?  I got an awful lot of failure mails last night, and there don't seem to be any logs, which suggests an early failure
[12:17] <Riddell> is someone else doing New queue?
[12:17] <cjwatson> I'm doing new-binary-debian-universe, but that's all
[12:18] <cjwatson> following my morning new-source pass
[12:18] <cjwatson> (it's easier to just do that stuff every morning, rather than try to remember when it's my archive day, and I figured nobody would mind ...)
[12:18] <Riddell> ah hah
[12:19] <Riddell> I've looked at a couple of binaries and they both have debian-changelog-file-missing
[12:19] <cjwatson> yes, pitti removed them from everything
[12:19] <cjwatson> TB discussion ongoing, but consider that the status quo for the moment
[12:20] <Riddell> ok
[12:21] <cjwatson> my daily routine is currently: sync-source -a (and for contrib and non-free too); sync in new-source, with some filtering, and process those straight through NEW; NBS; sync-helper for manual syncs
[12:22] <cjwatson> not that I mind if somebody else does those, as I say it's just easiest for me to do those every morning
[12:23] <cjwatson> new-source is a bit difficult at the moment since there's a bunch of stuff that fails to sync for various reasons, and since I haven't debugged those I haven't blacklisted them
[12:23] <cjwatson> so I've just been remembering various things not to bother syncing just yet
[13:48] <Riddell> New queue is empty!
[13:54] <cjwatson> nice one
[14:04] <lamont> cjwatson: you may have a very good point there
[14:04] <lamont> checking
[14:12] <lamont> cjwatson: you have correctly identified the source of the failure, fix in progress now
[14:18] <lamont> cjwatson: kick off a livecd build set?  (only expect abject failure from acorn - it needs a little power-switch smackery before it'll let me do stuff there)
[14:22] <cjwatson> running
[14:23] <cjwatson> hm, I think perhaps amd64+mac ought to reuse the amd64 livefs
[14:23] <cjwatson> it didn't before because it was ports
[14:23] <cjwatson> wait, it *does* reuse it, it just builds it twice.  special
[14:25] <cjwatson> fixed for next run
[17:53] <cjwatson> could somebody NEW isc-dhcp?  merge of dhcp3 changes into current isc-dhcp from Debian, has delicate interaction with network-manager (coordinating with cyphermox) which I'd like to land as synchronously as possible
[19:22] <cjwatson> thanks to whoever newed isc-dhcp
[20:12] <cjwatson> Riddell: bug 672144: please don't remove these in future, we shouldn't be putting effort into keeping our list of source packages in sync with the set of architectures we build - it's busy-work and will be problematic if we need to reintroduce architectures in the future
[20:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 672144 in silo (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Remove silo from archive (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672144
[22:55] <lamont> cjwatson: et al.  extras.ubuntu.com should be current and fresh and working.  scream if you can't validate my testing success
[22:56] <lamont> I verified that it was fail before, and that it's not fail now.


[14:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#4188 closed: elf_utils: add missing triplet for i386 <Created by valentindavid> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/4188>


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[17:36] <magespawn> Hey Kilos, how goes it?
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[18:12] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Kilos> hi magespawnstill going ty. hows things your side
[18:13] <magespawn> All good Kilos.
[18:13] <Kilos> stupid chat
[18:14] <magespawn> That person is actually a nasty piece of work if the website that link leads you to is anything to go by.
[18:14] <Kilos> i cant do the settings in konversation because the apply button is off the bottom of the screen on the laptop
[18:14] <Kilos> crazy
[18:15] <magespawn> there should be a way to resize the window.
[18:15] <Kilos> they just kicked him on locoteams
[18:15] <Kilos> our admins arent here
[18:16] <Kilos> pavlushka: all good there?
[18:17] <pavlushka> Kilos: its raining now, so I guess it is :)
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <pavlushka> magespawn: long time, huh
[18:19] <Kilos> hey guys go vote for tara
[18:19] <Kilos> i get a link
[18:19] <Kilos> https://woobox.com/6u9t3z/gallery/j8Zd0ioInWk
[18:20] <magespawn> been awhile pavluska
[18:21] <magespawn> been awhile pavlushka
[18:21] <magespawn> see even forgot tab complete
[18:21] <pavlushka> Kilos: ha ha ha
[18:21] <pavlushka> magespawn: ^^
[18:21] <Kilos> why you laugh pavlushka?
[18:22] <Kilos> thats my baby and she far behind
[18:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: <magespawn> see even forgot tab complete
[18:22] <Kilos> oh lol
[18:22] <Kilos> its my tab complete i cant set here
[18:22] <pavlushka> Kilos: the site says voting is not allowed from my location
[18:22] <Kilos> needs a space after nick complete
[18:23] <Kilos> what?
[18:23] <pavlushka> Kilos: yes
[18:23] <Kilos> are you guys terrorists?
[18:23] <pavlushka> Kilos: could be
[18:24] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <pavlushka> Kilos: dont tell nobody, then I used tor and voted (wink)
[18:24] <Kilos> i will ask tara why
[18:24] <Kilos> bangalory place hey
[18:24] <pavlushka> Kilos: I guess.
[18:24] <Kilos> need to wait till midnight for a reply , so ill hear tomorrow
[18:25] <Kilos> wow greeks can vote
[18:25] <Kilos> good man ty
[18:27] <pavlushka> Kilos: not finished yet, there's more, but that vote is not counted
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[18:29] <pavlushka> Kilos: it has it has counted
[18:29] <pavlushka> been
[18:30] <pavlushka> count was 384, now is 385
[18:31] <pavlushka> but she is behind, yeah
[18:32] <Kilos> ty
[18:33] <Kilos> the other guys know more peeps i think
[18:33] <Kilos> pavlushka: wb
[18:34] <pavlushka> Kilos: just updated my hexchat, so the restart
[18:36] <Kilos> ah
[18:40] <Kilos> i go sleep. night all, rest well
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[01:06] <valorie> Roey: I saw your link, yes
[01:07] <valorie> I'm not going to pass the news along to my husband who already hates all stinging insects, though
[01:08] <valorie> my brother-in-law's sister-in-law died of a bee sting
[01:28] <Roey> valorie:  I'm sorry to hear that :(
[01:29] <valorie> life can get tragic at times
[01:29] <valorie> this past weeks seems full of that
[01:29] <valorie> off-topic for this chan though
[02:12] <Matombo> anyone also have a problem with alt-gr key (german keyboard) when using kubuntu in virtual box?
[03:03] <IllSpentYouth> hello.  i'm having a problem with kubuntu not recognizing my onboard sound, a realtek alc889.  is there anyone who can lead me in the right direction to a solution?
[07:10] <zxsinclair_> I am trying to test Neon/KDE5 on a Trusty installation but get problems with installing "neon-base". Anyone managed this?
[07:10] <zxsinclair_> To clarify: I get dependency-hell issues
[07:11] <alket> zxsinclair_: what depency issues , could you post the logs ?
[07:12] <zxsinclair_> ome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[07:12] <zxsinclair_> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[07:12] <zxsinclair_> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[07:12] <zxsinclair_> or been moved out of Incoming.
[07:12] <zxsinclair_> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[07:12] <zxsinclair_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:12] <zxsinclair_>  project-neon-base : Depends: project-neon-bluedevil but it is not installable
[07:12] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kate but it is not going to be installed
[07:12] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kde-base-artwork but it is not installable
[07:12] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kde-baseapps but it is not installable
[07:12] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kde-wallpapers but it is not installable
[07:13] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kdeplasma-addons but it is not installable
[07:13] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kmix but it is not installable
[07:13] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-konsole but it is not installable
[07:13] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-kwallet but it is not installable
[07:13] <alket> zxsinclair_: please use http://paste.kde.org
[07:13] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-minimal but it is not going to be installed
[07:13] <zxsinclair_>                      Depends: project-neon-networkmanagement but it is not installable
[07:13] <zxsinclair_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[07:13] <zxsinclair_> sorry for extreme long postings...
[07:13] <zxsinclair_> ok hold on
[07:14] <zxsinclair_> http://paste.kde.org/pym7cpgw0
[07:14] <zxsinclair_> I can start a session but I get several errormessages
[07:15] <alket> zxsinclair_: I get them too , because its still new
[07:15] <alket> zxsinclair_: could you try this in terminal "sudo apt-get autoclean"
[07:15] <alket> then do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[07:15] <zxsinclair_> OK am on it
[07:16] <zxsinclair_> and thanks
[07:16] <ikonia> the error seems pretty clear
[07:16] <ikonia> "packages not yet created2
[07:17] <zxsinclair_> the autoclean deleted a bunch of packages
[07:17] <joker_>  /links
[07:17] <joker_> hi all
[07:17] <zxsinclair_> but I still get stuck on trying to install neon-base...
[07:18] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: do the packages exist
[07:18] <zxsinclair_> have no idea, I just follow the instructions on project neon website ;-)
[07:18] <zxsinclair_> or trying to rather
[07:19] <zxsinclair_> for starters I don't want bluedevil as my computer does not have bluetooth..
[07:20] <zxsinclair_> https://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[07:21] <joker_> i just started with this so i see ubuntu chat room and there was link to kubuntu chat is there easy newbie friendly way do add lot of chat rooms
[07:21] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: so checking if the packages are there would be a good start
[07:22] <zxsinclair_> +ikonia to put it this way I find it a bit strange to be asked to test something and the instructions on the website do not wok
[07:22] <zxsinclair_> work
[07:23] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: not really, it's in development, things change
[07:23] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: I find it more odd that you're just blindly following something without checking anything when you hit an error
[07:23] <zxsinclair_> am trying here, not an expert on apt
[07:24] <ikonia> don't have to be
[07:24] <ikonia> actually go to the PPA and check the packages
[07:24] <ikonia> make sure they are there
[07:24] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: also, do you have any other 3rd party repos or PPA's on your system
[07:24] <zxsinclair_> yes I do
[07:25] <ikonia> ok, so that may also be causing conflict
[07:25] <ikonia> that's a very very common situation
[07:25] <joker_> hello world
[07:25] <valorie> zxsinclair_: also, there is #project-neon for just this sort of question
[07:26] <zxsinclair_> ikonia or others; are you successful in using neon? And thanks for the link I was not aware
[07:26] <ikonia> I don't use kde
[07:26] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: again - I'd not focus on what others are doing - I'd focus on your problem
[07:27] <ikonia> zxsinclair_: eg: you have other PPA's that may cause a conflict, so what does it matter if others can use it, you can't at th emoment
[07:29] <zxsinclair_> ikonia - thanks for the input and assistance
[07:29] <zxsinclair_> I will head to neon channel
[07:36] <DKChewy> Hi. Noob to Linux. Just installed Kubuntu 14.04 and am having the issue where screen doesn't turn on after coming back from suspend. Every article I find is either significantly out of date or assumes I know Linux inside and out. Can anybody lead me in the right direction?
[07:50] <DKChewy> Any advice from anyone concerning the black screen after coming out of suspend?
[07:51] <valorie> !info libavcoded53
[07:51] <valorie> !info libavcoded54
[07:51] <valorie> um
[07:52] <valorie> !info libavcode
[07:52] <valorie> forget I asked
[07:52] <FuzzyWhirlpool> !info libavcodec54 | valorie
[07:53] <valorie> aha, he misspelled it
[07:53] <valorie> thanks, FuzzyWhirlpool
[07:53] <FuzzyWhirlpool> Yeah, you should ask `apt-cache search` before asking ubottu.
[07:56] <valorie> I often do that indeed
[08:04] <geartrek> jubuntu linux dosn't want to install as a base os on a acer laptop
[08:04] <geartrek> grrr
[08:04] <geartrek> kubuntu
[08:06] <valorie> "doesn't want to install"?
[08:06] <FuzzyWhirlpool> What is your laptop version?
[10:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:18] <ArunC> Hi all, I am trying to add the kubuntu-ppa/next repository on my kubuntu 14.04. But I get an error saying PPA not found
[11:18] <ArunC> Any idea what might be wrong?
[11:24] <BluesKaj> ArunC, how are you adding the ppa?
[11:25] <ArunC> BluesKaj: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next
[11:26] <BluesKaj> ArunC, you need to add the ppa key first
[11:27] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I followed this link: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/07/how-to-install-plasma-5-in-kubuntu-1410.html
[11:27] <BluesKaj> ArunC, find the key on the launchpad ppa page, then do, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys xxxxxx
[11:28] <ArunC> BluesKaj, sure, let me try that.. thanks.
[11:29] <BluesKaj> ArunC, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[11:30] <BluesKaj> ArunC, click on the "technical destails about this ppa"
[11:31] <ArunC> BluesKaj, thanks.
[11:33] <BluesKaj> ArunC, my mistake , make sure you use this instead, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[11:34] <BluesKaj> the prvbious ppa was for Utopic not Trusty
[11:35] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I updated my ubuntu to 14.10.. but still lsb_release -a shows 14.04
[11:35] <ArunC> which one shall I use?
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ArunC, how did you upgrade to 14.10?
[11:37] <ArunC> BlueKajs, my bad.. I'm on LTS.. forget my previous msg
[11:39] <ArunC> BluesKaj, should I use "1024R/8AC93F7A" as the key? There is a Fingerprint, should I use that as the key?
[11:39] <BluesKaj> ArunC,, no just the numbers after the /
[11:39] <BluesKaj> 8AC93F7A
[11:40] <ArunC> BluesKaj, Oh OK, thanks. I will try that.
[11:46] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I am behind a proxy and I get "?: keyserver.ubuntu.com: No route to host".
[11:46] <ArunC> Any idea?
[11:48] <BluesKaj> most proxies throttle bandwidth, you need a more direct connection to the repos servers if possible
[11:48] <ArunC> I get my updates and upgrades without any problem
[11:48] <BluesKaj> the ppa server
[11:49] <BluesKaj> keyserver
[11:52] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I'm sorry, I din't understand.
[11:54] <ArunC> Got it.. I had to supply sudo -E
[11:55] <ArunC> to instruct sudo to use my env variables.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> could be interpreting the keyserver as https which most proxies can't  handle
[12:00] <ArunC> I was using sudo apt-key <stuff>. I changed it to sudo -E apt-key <stuff> and it worked
[12:07] <BluesKaj> ArunC, is that some special command for use with proxy connections , never heard of sudo -E
[12:07] <BluesKaj> but I'm
[12:08] <BluesKaj> a home user
[12:10] <ArunC> BluesKaj, the proxy is set via env variables http_proxy and https_proxy. So when you do a sudo, these env variables will be ignored. To make sudo get the env, we need to pass the -E switch
[12:11] <ArunC> BTW, I get "E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-plasma5-desktop"
[12:11] <ArunC> Let me reboot my box and try it again.
[12:18] <ArunC> No change after the reboot as well.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> ArunC, run update and upgrade
[12:18] <BluesKaj> always update after adding repos
[12:19] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I did it before the reboot. Still no luck.
[12:19] <ArunC> I tried it just now after reboot. Now there is nothing to be upgraded.
[12:19] <ArunC> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> check your sources.list, make sure the ppa was added
[12:19] <ArunC> OK.
[12:20] <ArunC> Let me check that
[12:21] <ArunC> No, it is not added there. In fact, I ran this entire command.
[12:21] <ArunC> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/next && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[12:22] <ArunC> It asked this:  Kubuntu Next  KDE Frameworks 5 and Plasma Next and Unicorns  More info: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next Press [ENTER] to continue or ctrl-c to cancel adding it
[12:22] <ArunC> Doing the same command part by part now.. let me see..
[12:23] <BluesKaj> ArunC, use separate commands for updating and installing ,...it's much safer
[12:23] <ArunC> oh ok..
[12:25] <ArunC> BluesKaj, Even after apt-add-repository, I don't see the next PPA in /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:26] <ArunC> Should I check sources.list somewhere else?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> ArunC, you may have the syntax incorrect in the add-apt-repository, copy and paste the debs into the sources.list and update, it's easier
[12:29] <ArunC> BluesKaj, Oh, OK. Let me try that instead.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> besides you have apt-add, it;s add-apt
[12:30] <ArunC> yeah, sorry, that was just a typo on the channel.. here is the output: http://paste.kde.org/phijaamzs
[12:31] <BluesKaj> no need to run as root btw, sudo is sufficient
[12:34] <BluesKaj> ArunC, you still have the command incorrect, it's add-apt , not apt-add
[12:35] <ArunC> Oh! yyp error from the website where I saw the post how to install plasma next..
[12:35] <ArunC> they have it wrong there as well.
[12:37] <BluesKaj> I usually just copy and paste the deb to the sources.list and update
[12:40] <ArunC> Blueskaj, just found that apt-add-repository is just a soft link to add-apt-repository ;)
[12:41] <BluesKaj> well, it's best to use the hard link :)
[12:41] <ArunC> :)
[12:41] <ArunC> BluesKaj, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop plasma-workspace-wallpapers still returns nothing.
[12:42] <ArunC> I have added the ppa deb in my sources.list and ran update and upgrade as well.
[12:43] <BluesKaj> ArunC, it won't install plasma5 wallpapers , the there's no link yet
[12:43] <BluesKaj> the link is broken rather
[12:43] <ArunC> Oh.. OK.. How can I install plasma5 desktop?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> try adding themes thru the gui, they don't work either
[12:44] <BluesKaj> apt-get install kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[12:44] <ArunC> thanks, let me try that
[12:45] <ArunC> unable to locate package
[12:45] <ArunC> BluesKaj, apt-cache search plasma5 did not return anything
[12:45] <BluesKaj> did you update after adding the ppa?
[12:46] <ArunC> Yeah, I did.
[12:47] <BluesKaj> you said you upgraded, that doesn't update the packages
[12:47] <ArunC> As I said, I added the deb myself into sources.list and then I ran update and upgrade.
[12:47] <ArunC> No, I did both.
[12:48] <BluesKaj> ArunC, pastebin you source.list...let's ahve a look
[12:48] <BluesKaj> have
[12:48] <ArunC> OK sure.
[12:49] <ArunC> BluesKaj, http://paste.kde.org/p1zkbukes
[12:54] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I think we should add-apt-repository ppa:neon/kf5
[12:54] <ArunC> as plasma next is not available for 14.04
[12:55] <ArunC> I am not sure though
[12:58] <ArunC> BluesKaj, yes that did the trick.
[12:58] <ArunC> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neon/kf5
[12:58] <ArunC> sudo apt-get update
[12:58] <ArunC> sudo apt-get install project-neon5-session project-neon5-utils project-neon5-konsole project-neon5-breeze project-neon5-plasma-workspace-wallpapers
[13:01] <BluesKaj> hmm, ok the ppas for 14.04 are different than last week . I wa sure there was a kubuntu next" ppa for 14.04 ...guess i was mistaken ...I dropped plasma 5 on 14,10 ...too unstable and there missing packages and links
[13:02] <ArunC> Oh!
[13:03] <ArunC> BluesKaj, should I install it on my work desktop?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> might work better o0n 14.04, dunno for sure,...you might ask in #kubuntu-devel
[13:03] <BluesKaj> ArunC,^
[13:04] <ArunC> BluesKaj, I use KDE as my primary desktop, so I hope install kf5 and related neon stuff doesn't remove the earlier version
[13:04] <ArunC> thanks..
[13:04] <BluesKaj> ArunC, not on a work desktop , absolutely not !
[13:05] <ArunC> BluesKaj, m.. OK.. long way to go probably..
[13:05] <BluesKaj> kf5 /plasma5 aren't ready for the workplace, ArunC
[13:06] <BluesKaj> remove the neon5 ppa and update, that's my advice to you
[13:07] <BluesKaj> i thought you were a home user/experimenter/tester like me, ArunC
[13:07] <ArunC> :)
[13:08] <ArunC> BluesKaj, Thanks for your kind support.
[13:08] <BluesKaj> I'm glad the ppa mucked up..it saved you a lot of grief
[13:10] <ArunC> BluesKaj, sure yeah.. if you haven't told me that, by now I would've lost my working desktop :)
[13:10] <ArunC> Thanks for all the help
[13:10] <ArunC> Signing off now. Catch you sometime later.
[13:10] <BluesKaj> ok ArunC , good luck :)
[14:14] <quintoc> hola
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[14:32] <TBotNik> All: Using Kubuntu 12.04 LTS and FireFox, but now Google has an embedded script, forcing me through their servers, instead of rendering a page directly, so getting 404, 403 and other errors when entering normal URLs.  How do I turn this #$%#@ thing off, so I browse normally?
[14:40] <TBotNik> All: Repeating: Using Kubuntu 12.04 LTS and FireFox, but now Google has an embedded script, forcing me through their servers, instead of rendering a page directly, so getting 404, 403 and other errors when entering normal URLs.  How do I turn this #$%#@ thing off, so I browse normally?
[14:40] <BluesKaj> TBotNik, using google dns ?
[14:41] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: Not sure let me check!
[14:46] <BluesKaj> TBotNik, or this https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/951962
[14:51] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:56] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: Nothing in /etc/networking/interfaces that indicates any outside DNS.  Checking out the HOWTO at:  https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/server-not-found-connection-problem?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Server+not+found  I found that something had reset my proxy to "System Proxy", where I had always had "No Proxy" set before.  Restarted FF and now getting "Error 1001 Ray ID: 14e07877c45a0926  DNS resolution error" so something still wrong with
[14:56] <TBotNik>  the DNS
[14:56] <TBotNik>
[14:58] <BluesKaj> TBotNik, do you have optional dns settings on your router/modem ? ... if so i use the OpenDNS IPs  and they work well, try them
[15:09] <menace> 1
[16:25] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: Hey was down for a while as the /etc/network/interfaces file needed some major rework after removing that "System Proxy" setting Google had forced on me.  Yup had to set static IP for my network and then finally added the dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> line in the interfaces file and restarted with "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" and now I'm back without all the redirect crap.  Thanks!
[16:26] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: I think my router may have picked up the Google DNS, but google is also very tricky with all their analytics and keytracker java viruses they put on your box, so have to be on guard against them all the time
[16:27] <TBotNik> !
[16:58] <BluesKaj> TBotNik, glad to hear that:)
[17:04] <sithlord48> can anyone tell me why i can't access https://www.kubuntuforums.net/
[17:04] <sithlord48> i get a 503 error.. works fine @ home..
[17:09] <BluesKaj> sithlord48, using a proxy or vpn ?
[17:10] <sithlord48> no
[17:10] <BluesKaj> google dns ?
[17:10] <sithlord48> as far as i know directly thru my isp's dns
[17:11] <BluesKaj> I'm using Opendns and a vpn and the url opens fine here
[17:12] <BluesKaj> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php
[17:13] <sithlord48> i can access that page . as soon as i log in i get the same 503
[17:14] <lordievader> sithlord48: HTTP 5xx codes you can not do anything about, they are server codes.
[17:14] <lordievader> 503 means service unavailable.
[17:14] <sithlord48> why does the server hate me  ???
[17:15] <BluesKaj> which browser sithlord48 ?
[17:16] <sithlord48> qupzilla but it does not work in firefox or chromium here either
[17:16] <BluesKaj> FF is having probs with some https sites
[17:16] <BluesKaj> odd, FF works here
[17:17] <sithlord48> works fine @ my house.. same browser.. same isp..
[17:17] <sithlord48> did i get my ip black listed some how?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> same laptop?
[17:18] <sithlord48> different machine almost the same hw/sw set up
[17:33] <TBotNik> BluesKaj: Thanks Again!
[17:33] <TBotNik> All: Gone! Bye!
[20:09] <mefisto_> in ktorrent download list, what does it mean when a torrent is in bold text?
[20:44] <master4> bonjour
[22:15] <skinux> What exactly does KTimeTracker's auto timing functionality do? Listen for activity/focus of applications and time changes of focus??
[23:19] <timmy_tofu> When Ubuntu 14.04.1 is released on Thursday, will the downloads on the Kubuntu download page (ftp and torrent) be changed to a new version, or will they remain the same and new installs are just expected to update as existing installs?


[17:35] <corshmock> Is anyone familiar with PyKaraoke?  Just wondering if there is any tutorials on it.  Or any alternatives that might be available?
[17:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> corshmock: Looks like abandonware. It hasn't been touched by the developers for over 7 years. Furthermore, not supported here.
[17:49] <corshmock> Thanks Eickmeyer.  I didn't think it would be supported here, but being the Ubuntu Studio channel, I just thought maybe someone might know about it, or any alternatives in Linux??
[17:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> corshmock: Anything other than support in this channel is offtopic. We have #ubuntustudio-offtopic for that stuff.
[17:58] <corshmock> Thanks very much Eickmeyer.
[22:57] <brianw> Hello
[22:58] <brianw> I installed Ubuntu Studio for a friend a couple months ago. Now he says no sound. I'm checking it out and it seems right, but no sound from laptop speakers or headphones.
[22:59] <brianw> pavucontrol shows sound activity.
[22:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> !yymm | brianw: What version?
[22:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> er....
[22:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> !yy.mm
[22:59] <brianw> Version of Ubuntu Studio or pavucontrol?
[23:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ubuntu Studio.
[23:00] <brianw> 18.04 with backports
[23:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, have him open Ubuntu Studio Controls and click on "Stop Jack". That should put everything back to stock.
[23:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, we are now recommending new installations be 19.10 since it will transition easier to 20.04 LTS than 18.04 will.


[00:12] <bryce> hm, ok rick says no further X updates except cherrypicking
[00:17] <tormod> I could not find any desktop meeting in #ubuntu-meeting logs?
[00:18] <albert23> tormod: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/09/29/%23ubuntu-desktop.html starting at 17:42
[00:19] <tormod> albert23, thanks
[00:19] <bryce> tormod, they're usually held on #ubuntu-desktop
[00:23] <tormod> what is the x-testers PPA
[00:24] <tormod> hm I would have been interested in hanging around at that meeting. I though the Desktop team were fixing gnome bugs, not deciding the X stuff :)
[00:25] <tormod> I wonder if tseliot knows about xorg-edgers and x-updates PPA?
[00:26] <bryce> I don't think there is an x-testers ppa..
[00:27] <bryce> he should know about xorg-edgers.  dunno if he knows he should be pushing stuff to it
[00:27] <bryce> hrm, I kind of wish we were a bit more caught up with all this stuff... guess its my bad for being offline the past month
[00:29] <tormod> It seems like none of the people in that meeting is on the ubuntu-x ML for instance, that is a structural problem and not your fault for having a leave
	and this is why I think they should live in a PPA at first
	tseliot: are these in the x-testers PPA? I'd love to try them and see whether they fix suspend/resume
[00:32] <bryce> ah, yeah he must mean xorg-edgers
	pitti: not yet, sorry, I think I'll work on it (I've been busy with oem stuff)
[00:33] <tormod> I feel we are a bit disconnected here
[00:34] <tormod> (my remark, not a quote that last one)
[00:35] <bryce> I sense I'm going to have a lot of patch porting work in my near future
[00:35] <tormod> for commit in $(git log); do cherry-pick $commit; done :)
[00:37] <tormod> I think I will leave the bug triaging and debugging to the Desktop team :)
[00:48] <seb128> weird comment
[00:57] <bryce> I think he just means the amount of work required to backport and test all the patches needed is well beyond what the X team can do alone
[00:57] <bryce> I suspect he may be right, although I've not really investigated
[00:58] <bryce> but yeah, I had been anticipating that we'd pull all these fixes as updates, so I could spend the last couple weeks working on xserver crashers instead
[01:00] <seb128> well, we did pull a new version to fix issues previous cycle
[01:00] <seb128> and we got jaunty without compiz on some intel card to workaround the issues we didn't manage to track
[01:01] <seb128> so we are rather careful about updates this time
[01:04] <bryce> seb128, actually no, in Jaunty we opted *not* to pull new versions to fix the issues
[01:04] <seb128> ok
[01:04] <bryce> seb128, perhaps you don't recall, but we opted to stay with the -intel 2.5 instead of 2.6 which was released, and instead I spent much time doing cherrypicking
[01:04] <seb128> in any case non trivial updates are always risky
[01:04] <seb128> I though the locking issues on intel did start after some update
[01:05] <seb128> but it has been a while ;-)
[01:05] <seb128> in any case I'm not the one who decided
[01:05] <bryce> it was ironic all the fixes we needed for Jaunty were released (mostly in kernel code)
[01:05] <bryce> we just didn't have time to cherrypick everything we needed
[01:06] <bryce> seb128, the locking issues first started being reported at UDS berlin, very early on.  Just most people didn't notice them right away because they hadn't upgraded yet.
[01:06] <seb128> anyway let's not discuss jaunty now
[01:06] <seb128> dunno if you read the meeting log
[01:07] <seb128> but there was no strong argument in favor of doing the non trivial update
[01:07] <seb128> and people felt it's late in the cycle to try that many changes
[01:07] <seb128> but whoever has good argument can probably argue with pitti and rick
[01:09] <bryce> seb128, I did look at the meeting log; it didn't appear that anyone had any tangible concerns, just generic worry
[01:10] <bryce> "fix all the bugs, and btw please don't change anything while you do it."  ;-)
[01:11] <seb128> bryce, no, it was rather "do we have a good reason to throw that many changes in now"
[01:11] <seb128> bryce, and "do we feel we can test that properly and act if things break before karmic"
[01:11] <seb128> and there was no real reply to the first question
[01:15] <bryce> seb128, the replies I see are, a) "Fixes bunch of regressions on 8xx", b) "fixes backlight breakage", c) "FFe's have been filed and approved"
[01:16] <bryce> seb128, anyway it'll be embarrassing to release without this stuff in, but really it's my fault for having taken time off
[01:17] <seb128> you can't say it's your fault, it's rather the team fault to not have taken on your tasks while you were on leave
[01:17] <seb128> but argue with rick or pitti if you think we should really do the update
[01:17] <seb128> the rational was that after beta is late for that number of change
[01:18] <seb128> and that cherrypicking might be less risky
[01:18] <seb128> we are sort of sitting between a rock and an hard place now
[01:20] <seb128> anyway I'm not really the guy to talk with about those
[01:20] <seb128> I was just relying the meeting conversation
[01:20] <seb128> it's probably a good idea to talk to pitti tomorrow
[06:17] <tjaalton> bryce: the intel "2009Q3" release consists of all these new releases, so yes, I'm in favour of updating to the current stable stack
[06:17] <tjaalton> and I've been slacking with wacom.. should've uploaded it last week
[06:17] <tjaalton> but, stuff..
[06:17] <bryce> yeah, me too
[06:19] <bryce> but however I think we're now too late to update X components any further
[06:19] <bryce> it appears the desktop team semi-firmly decided not to allow updates
[06:20] <tjaalton> hrm
[06:21] <tjaalton> ooh, "xf86-input-wacom now available"
[06:22] <tjaalton> but surelyn not for karmic :)
[06:22] <tjaalton> -n
[06:22] <bryce> hey btw at XDC they got a consensus around merging the DDX drivers back into the xserver codebase
[06:22] <tjaalton> haha :)
[06:22] <bryce> so if you were worried things were going to get boring for us X packagers, none to worry!
[06:23] <tjaalton> yeah the notes suggested so
[06:23] <tjaalton> well, it should make things somewhat simpler too, I hope
[06:23] <tjaalton> at least the amount upstream regressions should go down
[06:24] <bryce> of course so much has moved into the kernel now
[06:24] <tjaalton> yep
[06:25] <bryce> btw, how'd your rowing team do?
[06:25] <tjaalton> hehe
[06:25] <tjaalton> there were ~115 teams, and we finished as 103rd or so :)
[06:25] <bryce> !!
[06:26] <bryce> well, hey you finished, that's way better than most of us could do!
[06:26] <tjaalton> but it took 30min less than the last time (6h15min)
[06:26] <pwnguin> thats a long row
[06:26] <tjaalton> yep, 58km
[06:27] <tjaalton> http://www.sulkavanvene.fi/kuvat/sulkavansoutu1.jpg
[06:27] <bryce> wow
[06:28] <tjaalton> so the hardest thing was to stay in sync
[06:28] <bryce> bet it takes a lot of practice
[06:28] <tjaalton> and holding a steady pace
[06:28] <pwnguin> bet it takes a lot more willpower
[06:28] <tjaalton> yeah, once in every second year doesn't quite cut it :)
[06:29] <tjaalton> after we finished no-one was willing to go next year, but when got to the sauna & barbeque -phase opinions had changed ;)
[06:29] <pwnguin> if you're tired im guessing the guy behind you might not be and still wants to win
[06:32] <tjaalton> we took short breaks a pair at a time (there were seven pairs and the cap'n)
[06:33] <tjaalton> http://www.vastavalo.fi/albums/userpics/11563/DSCN0116p.jpg
[06:33] <tjaalton> that's a better picture
[06:34] <tjaalton> but yeah, a sore butt and hands full of blisters cannot be avoided ;)
[06:36] <bryce> ah no gloves?
[06:36] <tjaalton> and tape, but still
[06:36] <bryce> ah heh looks like there was no guy behind timo!
[06:37] <tjaalton> haha
[06:37] <tjaalton> that's not from our team, just some pic I found
[06:37] <tjaalton> (they were mostly ladies anyway.. sometimes I felt the same about our team though=
[06:43] <bryce> the boats do sort of resemble viking longboats
[06:43] <tjaalton> yeah
[06:43] <tjaalton> we call them "church boats"
[06:44] <tjaalton> because families used to go to the church etc with similar boats
[06:44] <bryce> can they go in the open oceans or just fjords?
[06:45] <pwnguin> anything can go in the oceans, its a matter of what comes back
[06:45] <tjaalton> heh
[06:45] <bryce> lol\
[06:46] <pwnguin> i doubt you could row your way back against an ocean current
[06:46] <tjaalton> in lakes only (we don't have fjords :). there were some annoying spectators going round us on muscleboats, and the waves weren't nice to handle
[06:47] <tjaalton> because some rows would not reach the water so the pace broke
[06:55] <bryce> tjaalton, since lucid is going to be an LTS, and since the 1.7 release sounds like it was pretty shaky, and the 1.8 plans outlined at XDC sound a tad ambitious, I'm wondering that it may be wisest for us to stick with a 1.6.x xserver
[06:58] <tjaalton> bryce: hmm, I think debian squeeze will aim for 1.7, so wouldn't it make sense to follow them and benefit from it?
[06:58] <tjaalton> rc3 is in experimental
[06:59] <bryce> well, it could be.  I've been on the fence on it.  My gut says not having MPX in the LTS would be shortsighted.  However so far XDC has not been filling me with confidence about 1.7
[06:59] <tjaalton> also it seems like rhel6 will ship it
[07:00] <tjaalton> but, maybe wait a month and think about it when lucid opens?-)
[07:00] <bryce> couldn't hurt
[07:03] <tjaalton> has there been any talk about 1.8 release schedule?
[07:03] <bryce> yes there was
[07:04] <tjaalton> fd.o is still down, so no notes available
[07:04] <bryce> the discussion was to go to more of a routine, regular release schedule, tied to the GNOME development cycle
[07:04] <tjaalton> nice
[07:04] <tjaalton> but
[07:04] <bryce> so every 6 months, shortly prior to GNOME's releases
[07:04] <tjaalton> it's usually too late for our cycle?
[07:04] <bryce> yes, that's something I'm a little concerned about
[07:05] <bryce> but I don't know that we have a whole lot of pull ;-)
[07:05] <tjaalton> unless the release management is improved like whot suggested
[07:05] <bryce> right that also got a lot of talk
[07:05] <tjaalton> meaning less regressions
[07:05] <tjaalton> less chance of..
[07:06] <bryce> there was rough consensus around changing things like whot's suggestions, and go with a stricter control over main in a more Linus-like fashion
[07:06] <pwnguin> probably, you want to give them some practice at this regular release thing before trusting them on it ;)
[07:06] <bryce> where in this case Keith (or Peter) would be the Linus
[07:06] <bryce> pwnguin, indeed
[07:07] <pwnguin> when did gnome start doing regular releases? 2003?
[07:07] <bryce> dunno
[07:07] <tjaalton> when 2.0 was released, I guess
[07:07] <pwnguin> so way earlier
[07:07] <pwnguin> before ubuntu, lets say
[07:08] <tjaalton> actually no, 2.0 was june 2002, 2.2 was feb 2003
[07:08] <tjaalton> so after that
[07:09] <bryce> this was all stuff discussed on XDC day 1; I didn't actually go in today... baby kept us up too much last night and I needed to spell my wife for the day.  but I'll be going back tomorrow
[07:09] <tjaalton> oh, congrats!
[07:10] <bryce> http://outflux.net/~bryce/arr_baby.jpg
[07:10] <tjaalton> maybe I shouldn't be telling this, but our baby has been a good sleeper so far ;)
[07:10] <tjaalton> yarr!
[08:56] <Ng> bryce: we might not have a lot of developer pull, but they might want to remember that if they care about desktops they really need to care about ubuntu ;)
[08:57] <Ng> but even if they release slightly before gnome that means we get an x server release about 2 months before each development cycle starts, so we have over 6 months to stabilise it :)
[09:39] <jcristau> Ng: i'm not sure why redhat should have to care about ubuntu tbh.
[09:39] <Ng> jcristau: that depends how honest they are about being upstream :)
[09:39] <Ng> if you're genuinely an upstream you care about your users
[09:39] <Ng> if you're not then that's fine :)
[10:04] <tjaalton> we'll see what happens with rhel6
[18:31] <mnemo> bryce: I attached dmesg, xorglog to bug 438657 (so maybe you'd want to change it from INCOMPLETE and remove  needs-lspci-vvnn  needs-xorglog
[18:31] <mnemo> ) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/438657
[22:10] <virtuald> ive got a 70 MB syslog with lots of messages like [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Invalid command stream ! [drm:r100_cs_packet_parse_vline] *ERROR* unknown crtc reloc [drm:r300_packet0_check] *ERROR* No reloc for ib[25]=0x6538 [drm] ib[24]=0x0000194E
[22:10] <virtuald> [drm] ib[25]=0x82B50215
[22:11] <virtuald> always [drm] ib[24]=0x0000194E
[22:12] <virtuald> and always No reloc for ib[25]=0x6538
[22:13] <virtuald> the other [drm] ib[25] changes but not every time
[23:01] <bryyyce> virtuald, those are kernel messages.  they can be safely ignored but if they bug you, direct your complaints to #ubuntu-kernel.  Not really anything we can do about those from Xorg-space.
[23:02] <virtuald> ok


[10:30] <xubuntu68i> Hello, I have a screen tearing on AMD 5350 APU,HD8400 cpu + gpu, on 2560 x 1080, in 2D desktop fresh installation. What I can to do now ?
[13:21] <xubuntu61w> Hello all! Does anyone know how to add in Thunar symbolic icons of sync process and status on folders and files included in the Dropbox folder like the ones in Nautilus? It used to be a Thunar-dropbox package in the store back in 14.04 and 16.04 but not in 18.04.
[13:25] <pmjdebruijn> xubuntu61w: thunar-dropbox-plugin ?
[13:25] <pmjdebruijn> not sure if that's the same or not
[13:31] <xubuntu61w> Hi! Thanks for the response! I've installed thunar-dropbox-plugin but this plugin only adds submenu context, meaning that when right-clicking on a file or folder it gives you the options of moving the item in the Dropbox folder to be uploaded etc. You can see here what it does: https://github.com/Maato/thunar-dropbox
[13:33] <xubuntu61w> I am looking for something that was possible back in 14.04 & 16.04: http://www.linux-magazine.com/var/linux_magazin/storage/images/dropbox_png/244033-1-eng-US/dropbox_png_reference.png
[19:18] <donaldkbrown> Hi everyone. I'm having a bit of weirdness on Xubuntu 18.04. The other day, my panel was missing. So, I used ALT+F2 to run xfce4-panel --preferences. It said it wasn't running and asked if I wanted to execute, so I did. Then it said how the panel couldn't be changed because it was running in Kiosk mode. After a reboot, it was missing again, so I followed the same process and this time I checked "save session for future logins" before re
[19:18] <donaldkbrown> booting. Now, every time I boot, the same two dialogues (asking if I want to execute and then saying it is running in kiosk mode) appear upon log-in. Anyone know what's going on?
[19:22] <Spass> hello donaldkbrown, can you see something weird in your session options? open 'xfce4-session-settings' and see what's listed in the Session tab - https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences#session
[19:23] <Spass> ad when you want to start the panel, just type "xfce4-panel" in that Alt+F2 window, no need to run that command with "--preferences" first
[19:24] <donaldkbrown> Nothing too weird. xfce4-panel is listed as "Immediately" under "Restart Style".
[19:30] <donaldkbrown> I've cleared my saved sessions. I'm going to try logging out/back in and seeing if it continues acting weird.
[19:33] <donaldkbrown> Clearing saved sessions and not saving my current one worked. Panel is back, no dialogues about Kiosk mode. However, I did get a "System Problem Detected" dialogue this time. I might just go back to stock Ubuntu.
[19:39] <Spass> you can see files in /var/crash/ to see what's causing the problem
[19:44] <donaldkbrown> Yep, just checked. Looks like it's Keybase related, so I'll hold off on switching DEs for now :P.
[19:45] <Spass> :)
[19:47] <Spass> if that "report a bug" dialog will be showing on every start, you can then try to remove all files from /var/crash/, it helps sometimes for that issue
[20:45] <pikapika> .seen diogenes
[21:28] <xubuntu28w> I've just installed Ubuntu from a mini.iso on a USB drive, chose Xubuntu, but it boots into the command line.
[21:32] <Spass> how did you choose Xubuntu? by installing "xubuntu-desktop" metapackage?
[21:33] <xubuntu28w> Yes
[22:26] <avatar> hello
[22:26] <avatar> is it possible to emulate right mouse button on touchscreen?


[02:37] <bregma> btw, there's a UDS session Thursday at 11:00 EST regarding enabling LoCo subteams (city chapters, provincial chapters, etc)
[02:37] <bregma> I can;t make it 'cos I'm running a session in the same time slot, but maybe some of you might be interested
[02:39] <bregma> blueprint for the session is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1305-enabling-local-subteams
[02:40] <bregma> session is at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21835/community-1305-enabling-local-subteams/
[04:15] <BobJonkman1> Thanx for that heads-up, bregma, I'll try to attend
[04:15] <BobJonkman1> Guess I wasn't paying enough attention to the vUDS schedule myself
[04:32] <dscassel> I'll be there, unless I need to fight fires at work. :/
[04:47] <BobJonkman1> That session looks like it'll be on IRC channel #ubuntu-uds-community-2


[00:03] <InHisName1> am I first for today?
[00:03] <InHisName1> we're all busy so much not even a good morning.....   soooo good evening
[11:06] <rmg51> Morning
[11:06] <waltman> Morning.
[11:07] <rmg51> didn't think anyone else would be up this early
[11:09] <waltman> I crashed really early last night.
[11:11] <rmg51> I have to do the weekly food shopping
[11:12] <rmg51> Acme opens at 7 on Sunday
[11:12] <rmg51> I don't like shopping in crowds
[11:12] <waltman> that's ... early
[11:13] <rmg51> 6 the rest of the week
[11:13] <rmg51> I usually go on Sat
[11:14] <rmg51> I had something else to do yesterday
[11:16] <waltman> I'm thinking I might visit the diner
[11:17] <rmg51> have something for me
[11:17] <waltman> will do
[11:18] <waltman> I've got to go to the supermarket too, but that'll be later one
[11:18] <rmg51> breakfast and weekends don't always work for me
[11:19] <waltman> that's sad
[11:23] <rmg51> good thing for junk food :-[
[13:37]  * InHisName1 is savoring bacon and egg day