[00:11] <arbitrary> I think something is horribly wrong in my route.
[00:12] <arbitrary> I think I'm supposed to see more when I use route -n than "Kernel IP routing table / Destination       Gateway      Genmask     Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[00:42] <zirusoulslayer> hola
[00:45] <zirusoulslayer> alguien?
[00:45] <zirusoulslayer> hello
[00:49] <bodhi> hi
[01:03] <_Sophia> fatal: destination path 'rvm' already exists and is not an empty directory.  ERROR: Cloning from https://github.com/wayneeseguin/rvm.git failed, perhaps your git version does not support the https protocol?  out of ideas... halting.
[01:03] <_Sophia> =/ ?
[01:06] <james147> _Sophia: when running what exactly?
[01:09] <bodhi> im new to this haven a clue lol
[01:09] <iskander> saludos y salutaciones
[01:11] <_Sophia> http://ryanbigg.com/2010/12/ubuntu-ruby-rvm-rails-and-you , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmWYZVUln4E
[01:11] <_Sophia> trying to install Ruby 1.9.2 and Rails 3 by using RVM
[01:11] <_Sophia> stuck on the RVM part when it gets to the bash script
[01:13] <bodhi> sophia! where are you
[01:13] <_Sophia> o.o
[01:13] <_Sophia> ?
[01:15] <bodhi> hi Sophia   my name is Ray  :)
[01:20] <bodhi> where you from
[01:21] <james147> _Sophia: you have git-core installed right?
[01:27] <_Sophia> yes james147, i do
[01:38] <james147> _Sophia: what happens if you run "git clone git://github.com/wayneeseguin/rvm.git"  (what that script is trying to do)
[01:39] <_Sophia> Initialized empty Git repository in /home/sophia/rvm/.git/ remote: Counting objects: 18398, done. remote: Compressing objects: 100% (5021/5021), done. remote: Total 18398 (delta 12473), reused 17741 (delta 11902) Receiving objects: 100% (18398/18398), 3.17 MiB | 1.10 MiB/s, done. Resolving deltas: 100% (12473/12473), done.
[01:40] <james147> _Sophia: that looks like a successful clone ^^
[01:40] <_Sophia> meaning? ;s
[01:45] <james147> _Sophia: not sure ^^ hmm, throughs the same error here when useing the command they gave, but not when downloading and running the script manually
[01:45] <bodhi> why is nobody talking am i on a different planet!!
[01:45] <james147> bodhi: ^^ you havnt asked a question
[01:45] <james147> (relevent to kubuntu)
[01:46] <bodhi> i thought it was questions and chat ; )
[01:47] <james147> _Sophia: Download the script ( http://rvm.beginrescueend.com/releases/rvm-install-head ) and run it with bash "bash rvm-install-head"
[01:47] <_Sophia> uh
[01:47] <_Sophia> no i figured out the problem :P
[01:47] <_Sophia> i already have rvm installed
[01:47] <james147> bodhi: this is the support channel, #kubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-offtopic are the chat
[01:47] <_Sophia> but had to edit it with the bash command :D
[01:48] <_Sophia> i should join kubuntu-offtopic too =P
[01:55] <bodhi> : )
[01:57] <bodhi> Sophia!! where are you  lol
[02:34] <bodhi> no one talking     strange!!
[02:37] <mcurran> Are there any separate nforce drivers for linux, or does the display driver/gpu cover them usually?  I have an nforce board with integrated 6150SE, but I also have a GTX 460.  When I search nvidia's site, I get the same results with the same latest driver showing it supports all...
[02:39] <valorie> mcurran: run jockey
[02:39] <valorie> that will check for any updated drivers, and install them if you want them
[02:40] <mcurran> Yeah, no, I don't want the restricted free drivers though, I want the latest, just wondering if there is a separate linux driver I can update for the chipset and not the gpu
[02:41] <valorie> well, jockey won't install if you don't want it
[02:41] <james147> mcurran: jocky will install the proprity dirvers.
[02:41] <valorie> and it should look for ALL drivers
[02:41] <valorie> not just free
[02:42] <james147> mcurran: and it dose a better job of installing them
[02:43] <valorie> bodhi: this isn't a chat channel -- support only
[02:43] <valorie> if you want to chat, there is #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:44] <james147> bodhi:  ^^ though #ubuntu-offtopic has more traffic
[02:53] <mcurran> I know how to install the latest drivers from nvidia, and they work better as far as I have seen.
[02:53] <mcurran> I'm looking for nforce chipset modules I can install apart from the pre-compiled kernel, so I guess they don't exist
[03:26] <bodhi> how do you create a shortcut bodhi linux
[03:27] <Do_Sanga> I have a ? i was here before because of unbuntu wasnt picking up my wireless
[03:28] <Daskreech> bodhi: Hmm?
[03:28] <james147> bodhi: create a sym link (ln -s /path/to/dest link-name) (or use dolphin and selece create link to...)
[03:28] <Do_Sanga> so i went out and bought a netgrear n150
[03:28] <Daskreech> Do_Sanga: Ask
[03:29] <bodhi> thanks
[03:30] <Do_Sanga> and that isnt workng
[03:30] <Do_Sanga> also
[03:32] <Do_Sanga> im was on google
[03:32] <Do_Sanga> checked there
[03:32] <Do_Sanga> the only way i get anything is if i connect it with cat 5
[03:33] <Do_Sanga> wired no wiress internal or external
[03:33] <Daskreech> Do_Sanga: is this a desktop or a laptop?
[03:33] <Do_Sanga> laptop
[03:34] <Do_Sanga> Hp
[03:35] <Daskreech> Do you know the make of the wifi card?
[03:35] <Do_Sanga> netgear n150
[03:36] <Do_Sanga> usb
[03:36] <Daskreech> ah does it have an internal Wifi card?
[03:37] <Do_Sanga> yeah but that dont work eaither
[03:37] <Do_Sanga> lol
[03:37] <Daskreech> what's the internal one?
[03:37] <Do_Sanga> Atheros is internal one
[03:38] <Daskreech> Ah
[03:38] <Daskreech> What model?
[03:39] <Do_Sanga> 5000
[03:39] <Do_Sanga> peace said from info i have em
[03:40] <Daskreech> Did you check lspci ?
[03:40] <Daskreech> !wifi
[03:40] <Do_Sanga> i can as soon as its done updating
[03:42] <Do_Sanga> its almost done
[03:43] <Do_Sanga> id rather just trying get the external
[03:43] <Do_Sanga> working
[03:43] <Do_Sanga> becuse the other one i am afraid is fried
[03:44] <Do_Sanga> ill check the docs
[03:44] <Do_Sanga> :)
[03:44] <Daskreech> Ah ok
[03:44] <Daskreech> Why do you think it's fried?
[03:44] <Do_Sanga> it dont show up
[03:44] <Do_Sanga> at all
[03:45] <Do_Sanga> lol
[03:45] <Daskreech> Do_Sanga: Did you flip the kill switch?
[03:45] <Do_Sanga> yes
[03:45] <Do_Sanga> its workng
[03:45] <Do_Sanga> shows blue wireless
[03:45] <Daskreech> It's working but it's fried?
[03:45] <Do_Sanga> yeah
[03:46] <Do_Sanga> the light shows blue
[03:46] <Do_Sanga> thats it
[03:46] <Daskreech> Hm ok
[03:47] <Daskreech> I'm just trying to ask Sane questions I've never got wifi working on Ubuntu before
[03:48] <Do_Sanga> then i guess im not the only one
[03:48] <Do_Sanga> lol
[03:51] <Daskreech> 	:)
[03:51] <Daskreech> Mostly cause I've nevr had wifi
[04:00] <Do_Sanga> its a Atheros 5001
[04:02] <Do_Sanga> thats the internal
[04:03] <Do_Sanga> and the usb is Bus 002 Device 002 ID 0846:9030 NetGear
[04:08] <arbitrary> Um. What do I do if kubuntu says "could not enter folder /media/arcade" (arcade is the name of the mounted partition)
[04:11] <mcurran> did you try looking in storage media in konqueror
[04:11] <arbitrary> How do I do that?
[04:12] <arbitrary> Scratch, figured out how to enter it in Konqueror. It says the same thing.
[04:13] <arbitrary> trying to cd to the directory in terminal gives me "permission denied"
[04:15] <venky80> does anyone know if i can automount fixed hdd partitions automatically in kubuntu
[04:16] <venky80> apparently kde in arch does not allow it in system settings
[04:25] <helio_99> is every place on this network boring...?
[04:31] <helio_99> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6.1
[04:34] <Daskreech> !fstab | venky80
[04:34] <Daskreech> helio_99: If we can be
[04:34] <venky80> Daskreech: but what about the partitions i see in system settings
[04:34] <Daskreech> Same concept
[04:34] <venky80> why cant i make them auto load from there
[04:35] <BORINCANNER> NECESITO ALGO DE AYUDA ESTOY INSTALANDO ESTE SISTEMA Y NO ME PUEDO CONECTAR WIRELESS
[04:35] <helio_99> yeah...i was looking for other info not much to develop
[04:36] <venky80> weird with all the udisks and other developement this is still done through fstab
[04:39] <helio_99> yes....the they won't main in develop there is only so much done
[04:45] <Daskreech> helio_99: What are you looking for?
[04:45] <Daskreech> venky80: Give it time?
[04:46] <venky80> Daskreech: sure :)
[05:16] <Antares> Algun usuario aca?¿
[05:16] <Antares> que hable español?
[05:18] <Daskreech> !es
[05:19] <Daskreech> :(
[06:32] <antuan> люди
[06:32] <c2tarun> kdeedu failed to build from source on armel and powerpc, Error due to some C++ declarations, here is the complete buildlog https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeedu/4:4.6.1a-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2326220/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.kdeedu_4%3A4.6.1a-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz can anyone please take a look
[07:19] <Daskreech> !re
[07:19] <Daskreech> !ru
[08:01] <shravan> anyone?
[08:02] <shravan> im new to linux and need a lil help
[08:05] <valorie> !ask
[08:05] <valorie> :-)
[08:06] <ivan_> !list
[08:07] <shravan>  k thanks
[08:07] <shravan> i need help installing skis3g in my kubuntu os...
[08:08] <shravan> i try to run the commands in konsole, but it doesnt seem to work out
[08:08] <shravan> sakis*
[08:25] <robbiethe1st> Hey guys, how do I set the Metacity window-border colors? What's the name of the application? (I'm running it under KDE, so I can't just go wo Menu > preferences etc.)
[08:46] <valorie> robbiethe1st: are you looking for systemsettings?
[08:46] <valorie> that can be run from the console
[08:47] <robbiethe1st> What's the exact name of the gnome system-settings executable?
[08:47] <robbiethe1st> systemsettings works, but launches the KDE one
[08:48] <Daskreech> robbiethe1st: do you have Gnome installed?
[08:48] <robbiethe1st> Bits and pieces. I assume I'll have to install that package
[08:49] <robbiethe1st> I've got Metacity, a bunch of GTK libs, gnome-appearance-properties, as well as, of course, GTK apps.
[08:52] <Daskreech> robbiethe1st: Gnome as far as I know does not have one panel for all the settings they have lots of individual ones for each of the settings
[08:52] <Daskreech> you can try gnome- and then press tab twice to get a listing of the ones you ahve installed
[08:52] <robbiethe1st> Which was why my original question was about the window-border colors; I assume it's going to be system-colors
[08:54]  * Daskreech shrugs. I haven't been intimate with Gnome since Gnome 1
[08:55] <robbiethe1st> Heh. Fair enough.
[08:55] <robbiethe1st> I just got fed up witb Kwin being very laggy on Kubuntu 10.10 - Installed metacity and my performance(and 3D performance) went up about 3X
[08:55] <Daskreech> robbiethe1st: #ubuntu might be a good room to ask in :)
[08:56] <robbiethe1st> Heh - asked there. No responce.  Not sure where to file it, or what to file it under
[09:04] <Daskreech> robbiethe1st: bugs.kde.org under kwin
[09:05] <Daskreech> robbiethe1st: or you could wait a few hours and jump in #kwin and talk to the devs
[09:05] <robbiethe1st> Sure, why not.
[09:52] <ubuntu> I NEED HELP
[09:52] <ubuntu> my kubuntu is not taking start up
[09:52] <ubuntu> when i start my pc... kubuntu logo appears and then it doesnt proceed
[09:53] <robbiethe1st> I think hitting the down key will show messages
[10:36] <jozefk> this is very simple to do in Gnome: http://bit.ly/dEbtel    anybody knows how to do it in KDE?
[10:39] <rethus> what is the commandline command to close a xsession and come back tologinscreen?
[10:49] <ganterted> hi
[12:27] <TornadoKubuntu> Hello! Please I am not able to boot to my kubuntu 10.10 system. After issuing the command: "sudo reboot now", I started to receive a black screen with "mount: mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory" followed by two similar messages for "/root/sys" and "root/proc". Then a line of: "Target system doesn't have requested /sbin/init" is printed at the end of the line. Please how can i solve this? I am not able to boot now :(
[12:36] <Iszak> !offline
[12:48] <TornadoKubuntu> Please anyone can help me with this issue? : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3116034.0
[12:49] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: reading
[12:50] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: mmm
[12:50] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: have you made some harddisk check ?
[12:50] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: have you tried to boot with kernel recovery?
[12:52] <TornadoKubuntu> i have tried to boot with the recovery mode but i received the same message. I had today an electricity failure problem just before i logged in the last time and issuing the reboot command.
[12:53] <TornadoKubuntu> Do you think a harddisk check will help? or shall attempt something else?
[12:54] <TornadoKubuntu> My harddisk is new by the way! less than 3 months old
[12:57] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: mmm
[12:57] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: check the hard drive maybe some errors...
[12:57] <Peace-> can be found
[12:57] <Peace-> i guess from live cd
[12:58] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: fsck.ext3
[12:58] <Peace-> or fsck.ext4
[12:59] <TornadoKubuntu> ok i will do that! what kind harddisk check shall i attempt? i mean from where shall i access the checking tools? [Gparted for example?]
[13:00] <TornadoKubuntu> btw, thanks for your help Peace
[13:02] <james147> TornadoKubuntu: all kubuntu livecds should have the harddisk check tools
[13:02] <james147> ^^ and probally most other live cds :p
[13:03] <TornadoKubuntu> i see... thanks james147 for the info. If no errors were reported, what should my next attempt be?
[13:05] <james147> TornadoKubuntu: not entirly sure... that error dosnt sound good at all, to me it looks like your missing /sbin/init (which is the parent of all pther processes) ^^ and if your missing that you might be missing other things :S
[13:06] <TornadoKubuntu> There will be no chance then without a complete format? D:
[13:08] <james147> TornadoKubuntu: it might be possible to recover from it ^^ (most things in Linux are) but it might be easier to re-install if the harddisk check doesn't help... i would like to know however that you dont need to format ^^ and if you dont the kubuntu installer will delete the old system folders (/dev /usr /bin .. etc) but it will leave /home intact (and thus all your user settings), so you will only need to reinstall the programs you had (and
[13:08] <james147> system level configuration)
[13:08]  * james147 notes that he has only tried that with the "manual partitions" option in the installer
[13:09]  * james147 also notes to always backup before trying anything like this ^^
[13:09] <Peace-> TornadoKubuntu: i don't think you have to format
[13:11]  * james147 is saying that as a point that a reinstall isnt as bad as in windows ^^ you dont ahve to lose all your data when you do it
[13:15] <TornadoKubuntu> Thanks james147 for all your notes, i will try to carry on a disk check and then i will see what i can do. Thanks for all your time
[13:27] <lente> Hi. I want to use (k)ubuntu 10.10 and kde3. Is there a better way than using the triniy-packages?
[13:28] <james147> lente: no
[13:28] <james147> lente: kubuntu does not support kde3 for maverick at all ^^
[13:28] <lente> james147: I know. But kde4 is far to fancy for me :)
[13:29] <Peace-> lente: omg kde3 :S
[13:29] <Peace-> kde3 is like an old lady
[13:29] <james147> lente: ^^ its configureable
[13:29] <Peace-> kde4 has all the stuff kde 3 had
[13:30] <lente> I just want to work on my pc. No need for fancy stuff. On the other hand are xfce and lxde not practical enought.
[13:30] <james147> lente: you can quite easaly make kde4 look and act like kde 3 now ^^
[13:30] <james147> lente: then turn off the 'fancy' stuff rather then trying to use unsuported software ^^
[13:30] <lente> james147: sounds good. What do I have to read?
[13:31] <lente> james147: can I use icon themes for kde3?
[13:31]  * james147 would just play around with the settings ^^ turning off desktop effects turns off m,ost the fancy effects
[13:31] <lente> how do I remove the button on the top left
[13:32] <james147> are icon themes depended on an desktop environment? I thought the point of them was that they arent ^^
[13:33] <james147> lente: I would just ignore it, ^^ but there is http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=91009&forumpage=4
[13:33] <james147> or better yet http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Stealth+Cashew?content=108460
[13:33] <lente> james147: I rather prefer using old software then ignoring things^
[13:35] <lente> james147: thank you I will try http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=91009&forumpage=4
[13:35] <james147> lente: i suggest the second link, its more uptodate
[13:36] <lente> james147: I will read both^^
[13:38] <darthanubis> kubuntu weather wallpaper not working
[13:38] <darthanubis> is there anything I can check
[13:39] <darthanubis> google returned nothing useful
[13:39] <lente> james147: thanks for the help.
[13:56] <Pranav_rcmas> Is there a way to remove libqt4-dev without having to remove other packages like kdelibs5, kdevplatform, etc?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[13:59] <james147> Pranav_rcmas: you should beable to ^^ through i would expect it to remove the dev packages for kdelibs5...
[14:00] <Pranav_rcmas> That's the problem. I have to build something that requires Kdelibs, kdevplatform and qt4.7.1. I got the qt beta 4.7.1, but to install it, I guess I need to remove libqt4-dev.
[14:01] <james147> Pranav_rcmas: um, why the beta?
[14:02] <Pranav_rcmas> The QtSDK with 4.7.1 is still in Beta, I presume?
[14:02] <james147> http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/11/09/qt-4-7-1-released/ << not according to that
[14:03] <james147> although, as far as i know you can install two versions and pick which one to link agienst
[14:04] <james147> you may or may not need to recompile kde as well though :S
[14:04] <Pranav_rcmas> Oh..Does QtQuick come along with 4.7.1?
[14:04] <Pranav_rcmas> Because I will be needing QtQuick..
[14:05] <james147> it came with 4.7.0
[14:05] <james147> (which is included in maverick)
[14:05] <Pranav_rcmas> Oh, then I have pointless errors to sort out, I guess. Thanks for your help :)
[14:06] <guinux> Hello Everybody...I'm playing Kubuntu 10.10 with Liquorix kenrel and it works great!
[14:10] <BluesKaj> guinux, Liquorix?
[14:11] <guinux> BluesKaj: Yes, Liquorix...the alternative kernel, Don't you know?
[14:13] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i dont know liquorix
[14:13] <Peace-> too
[14:14] <BluesKaj> guinux, alternative kernel ? ,,,no I don't . I go withe the default , unless you're talking about the alternate install
[14:15] <Peace-> BluesKaj: Liquorix is a distro kernel replacement built using the best configuration and kernel sources for desktop, multimedia, and gaming workloads.
[14:15] <Peace-> BluesKaj: sid ...
[14:15] <Peace-> :S
[14:17] <Pranav_rcmas> james147, sorry to disturb, but since you said I can install two versions and pick which one to link against, could you tell me how to pass a flag to cmake asking it to use a particular installation directory of Qt?
[14:18] <guinux> BluesKaj: Just Google it for a tutorial how to install in (K)ubuntu...
[14:18] <james147> Pranav_rcmas: pfft  :) I beleave its possible, but dont know how ;)  ..
[14:18] <Pranav_rcmas> ah ok
[14:19] <james147> guinux: ^^ whats difference with the default one?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> guinux, why , what are the advantages?
[14:20] <guinux> BluesKaj: As mentioned by Peace- Liquorix is a distro kernel replacement built using the best configuration and kernel sources for desktop, multimedia, and gaming workloads.
[14:21]  * james147 notes that in qt-creator you can pick the qt version to build agienst...
[14:21] <guinux> BluesKaj: it means that the system runs much faster and more responsive if you have a desktop profile....
[14:21] <claydoh> that description sounds like mumbo jumbo to me :D
[14:21] <Peace-> guinux: mm
[14:21] <Peace-> guinux: how do you install it ?
[14:22] <claydoh> I have tried it actually, couldn't see a difference on my old laptop
[14:23] <guinux> Peace-: I have not  a good english, but I'll try to explain you...
[14:23] <claydoh> but not that i wouldn't for someone else's hardware
[14:23] <claydoh> s/i/it
[14:24] <BluesKaj> guinux, why would such a kernel not be incorprorated as the default kernel in kubuntu if it was so good ...looks like a kerenel dev'ed for PCLinux OS in the forums
[14:24] <guinux> Become Super-User and create thi file  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/liquorix.list
[14:25] <Peace-> so you added the repository ? guinux
[14:25] <Peace-> ?
[14:25] <guinux> Like "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list.d/liquorix.list"
[14:25] <guinux> Then add this line to it deb http://liquorix.net/debian sid main
[14:26] <Peace-> guinux: mmm
[14:26] <Peace-> guinux: sid
[14:26] <Peace-> guinux: it's not nice use repo of sid
[14:26] <Peace-> guinux: some peoplce could get huge problems
[14:26] <Peace-> guinux: please speak about that on kubuntu-offtopic
[14:26] <Peace-> !offtopic
[14:27] <guinux> Peace-: I'm sorry. Stoped right now!
[14:27] <james147> BluesKaj: Its probably more optimised and, thus, might not work for everyone ^^
[14:28] <BluesKaj> I see nothing in the linux forums about that Liquorix migrating to kubuntu , lots of info about its tweaking in PCLinux OS tho.
[14:28] <guinux> BluesKaj: Just ansewring the question. Because mainstream distros need a more generic implementation o f kernel. To run normal and the most types of configuration...
[14:29] <BluesKaj> definitely offtopic here
[14:29] <guinux> BluesKaj: I can't talk about this no more. Sorry.
[14:29] <Peace-> guinux: for unoifficial talks you can use kubuntu-offtopic
[14:30] <Peace-> guinux: :)
[14:30] <guinux> I was just happy about the result and tried to share....
[14:30] <BluesKaj> guinux, no matter , it's not kubuntu approved anyway , so we'll leave it at that.
[14:30] <Peace-> guinux: i understand that but :) ... if one get a problem with that kernel ?
[14:31] <guinux> I don't know that I'll cause a problem...It's not my intention. Never.
[14:32] <guinux> Once again...Sorry for the inconvenience...
[14:32] <Peace-> guinux:  so if you want share that stuff come with us on #kubuntu-offtopic where people know what they do :P
[14:32] <skamster> hello all, i've got a question about multipble (2) monitors with the radeon-driver for a Radeon HD 4670? i tried it with 2 xorg.conf-files and the randr-settings but it won't work so nice..
[14:32] <Peace-> skamster: mmm
[14:32] <james147> Peace-: if you try to install it, make sure it dosnt remove the old kernel, then if it dosnt work for what ever reason, you should beable to boot back into the old kernel
[14:32] <guinux> Peace-: OK...Thank you
[14:33] <Peace-> james147: hehhehehe you have understood eh :P
[14:33] <james147> Peace-: through that wont protect you if the kernel is malicious (though i am not saying it is)
[14:33] <Peace-> skamster: i will use a normal xorg
[14:34] <skamster> just one screen..?
[14:34] <Peace-> skamster: the will manage the second monitor with  xrandr
[14:35] <skamster> yes, i tried it.. it detected the graphiccards ant it's identifier :) but the actions for the screens doesn't work..
[14:35] <castellino> HI
[14:36] <Peace-> skamster: mm i dunno man sorry i have an intel
[14:36] <Peace-> skamster: and i use the module of systemsettngs
[14:36] <skamster> or maybe i use the wrong command..
[14:37] <castellino> If i create a bootable flash using kubuntu os, can i use the same flash to install windows xp on anothercomputer?
[14:37] <james147> skamster: i would use the ait config utils to set it up... though I have never used an ait card so I cannot really help you with it :(
[14:38] <Peace-> skamster: i guess is the worng command
[14:38] <Peace-> :)
[14:38] <skamster> mh, i tried this also, but i've got no success.. i see both screens and could change the resolution, but in the "multiple monitorssection" was just a message "that i don't got the right configuration" for that..
[14:38] <james147> castellino: only if the flashdrive contains and xp installer ^^
[14:39] <Peace-> skamster: you can see xrandr second monitor ati
[14:39] <Peace-> skamster: i guess you coud get some interesting link
[14:39] <Peace-> s
[14:39] <castellino> james 147: i am not really getting you?
[14:39] <james147> skamster: see if this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=221174
[14:40] <castellino> i have not understood
[14:41] <james147> castellino: if you want to install xp from a flash drive that flash dirve needs an xp installer on it ^^ (like the one found in the cd) though I am not sure how simple it is to correctly create the flash drive with the installer :p
[14:42] <castellino> thanks
[14:42] <james147> though it should be possible to create it with kubuntu ^^
[15:17] <skamster> hello all again.. for these who regoniced my probleme last time: i've got the 2 screens back in a good way.. there is just one problem - screen 1 and screen 2 are wrong..
[15:17] <skamster> any idea?
[15:18] <james147> wrong?
[15:33] <eliasp> hi
[15:35] <james147> Hello eliasp
[15:46] <eliasp> did anyone already apply this patch to libnepomuk4? http://tinyurl.com/5r3empc  just trying it, but wasn't successful yet....
[15:49] <eliasp> applying it using 'edit-patch' fails here... http://paste.kde.org/7664/
[16:16] <saintt> К кому можно обратится с вопросом ?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> !ru | saintt
[16:22] <s0phia> good morning kubuntuians :D
[16:29] <james147> Hello s0phia
[16:30] <s0phia> hi =)
[16:30] <s0phia> last major problem i have is getting headphones to work ;o
[16:30] <s0phia> since i figured out the Ruby/Rails install yesterday >.<
[16:34] <james147> s0phia: do your speakers mute then yu plug them in?
[16:35] <s0phia> i haven't tried unplugging my speakers
[16:35] <s0phia> but any solution shouldn't require that
[16:35] <s0phia> the computer sees the USB headphones
[16:35] <james147> ^^ i dont mean unplug your speakers, but do they mute when you plug in the headphones?
[16:35] <s0phia> they're just muted in alsamixer
[16:35] <s0phia> and it won't let me turn the volume of them up
[16:35] <james147> ahh usb headphones...
[16:36] <s0phia> no, the speakers do not mute when i put my headphones in
[16:36] <s0phia> so yeah
[16:36] <s0phia> volume of headphones is 0 in alsamixer
[16:36] <s0phia> it won't let me increase the volume :/
[16:36] <james147> s0phia: System settings > multimedia > phonon
[16:36] <s0phia> have already done that
[16:36] <s0phia> and put headphones on higher priority than speakers
[16:36] <james147> s0phia: make sure the usb device is above your other devices for all outputs
[16:36] <s0phia> it is
[16:36] <james147> hmm
[16:37] <s0phia> that was like the first thing i tried
[16:37] <s0phia> =)
[16:37] <s0phia> the problem is that the volume is set at 0 in alsamixer
[16:37] <s0phia> X_X
[16:37] <james147> s0phia: in alsamixer press F6 and change to the usb device
[16:37] <s0phia> k...sec
[16:38] <s0phia> k now what o_O
[16:38] <s0phia> speaker is at 82 volume, mic is at 0
[16:39] <james147> non muted?
[16:39] <s0phia> oh O_O
[16:39] <s0phia> now they're non-muted
[16:40] <s0phia> lol
[16:40] <s0phia> k, now what =D
[16:40] <james147> :)
[16:40] <james147> do they work?
[16:40] <s0phia> both headphones and speakers are plugged in
[16:40] <james147> and sound comes out?
[16:40] <s0phia> not out of headphones, no
[16:40] <s0phia> oh
[16:40] <s0phia> maybe if i go back to the main page of alsamixer
[16:40] <s0phia> it will let me increase headphone volume now
[16:41] <s0phia> nope
[16:41] <s0phia> still won't let me >.<
[16:42] <s0phia> O_O
[16:42] <s0phia> for some reason
[16:42] <s0phia> in the main page
[16:42] <s0phia> if i mute  headphones
[16:42] <FloodBotK1> s0phia: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:42] <s0phia> it mutes the speakers...wth?
[17:15] <wn1zid> hi, just put it on my eeepc, how do i get it to boot normal kubuntu instead of remix ??
[17:16] <eliasp> I'm losing my mind... apt-file search tells me, the file org.kde.nepomuk.Query.xml would be in kdebase-runtime-data ... but 'apt-get source kdebase-runtime-data' creates a kdebase-runtime-4.6.1 directory which only contains nepomuk-server's CMakeLists.txt file, but nothing else....
[17:17] <james147> wn1zid: System setitings > workspace > workspace type    or System settings > workspace behaviour > workspace > workspace tpye    depending on which version of kde
[17:17] <wn1zid> ok ill try that, thanks man
[17:18] <wn1zid> ya, thats it, thanks james147
[17:18] <wn1zid> good day
[17:18] <s0phia> x.x?
[17:37] <daniele71c> Ciao nessuno italiano
[18:33] <draik> Hello all
[18:34] <draik> I'm looking into building a new desktop, and wanted to get a general idea about how Kubuntu would handle a thought I had.
[18:34] <draik> If I build a 64-bit system, but throw in my 32-bit Kubuntu HDD, can I dual-boot and choose between the drives?
[18:35] <draik> Also, how is the 64-bit version of Kubuntu doing? Any particular bugs I should know?
[18:36] <james147> draik: I havnt had any problems with 64bit kubuntu ^^
[18:36] <draik> james147: That's good. I don't suppose anything really changes on the user-side when on 64-bit.
[18:36] <james147> and you can dualboot 64 and 32bit fine... though i am not sure why you would want to... there is practically no difference between them for general use
[18:37] <james147> draik: not really
[18:37] <draik> I would dual-boot just because I have the drive with 32-bit already on it. No particular reason, really.
[18:37] <draik> Would a 64-bit desktop/hardware work well with 32-bit OS?
[18:38] <james147> draik: 32bit on 64bit computer is no different then running a 32bit on a 32bit comp
[18:38] <draik> Upon testing and making sure it works well for me, I will move my /home/draik/* to the 64-bit drive.
[18:39] <draik> james147: Thanks. I will now put through my order for the 64-bit desktop.
[18:39] <draik> I am placing the order through newegg.com and was undecided about going one way or the other.
[18:40] <draik> And now my video card is out of stock :(
[18:51] <draik> If I use a 64-bit video card, will it work on my 32-bit OS?
[18:52] <james147> do they make 64bit vidoe cards?
[18:52] <draik> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130586
[18:54] <james147> heh, never seen one labeled with 64bit before
[18:55] <james147> but yeah, it will work, all 64bit hardware should beabel to work on 32bit level
[18:58] <james147> heh, http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460-us.html ^^ is 256-bit  dont think the graphics card cares much about what cpu arch your using
[19:54] <rafael_> fala galera
[21:22] <dreamer1> hello
[21:22] <dreamer1> I have pidgin in my kubuntu
[21:22] <dreamer1> and I can't add a friend in msn protocol
[21:24] <dreamer1> it say the email address must be valid
[21:24] <dreamer1> but the address is valid
[21:48] <namra> m,
[21:52]  * Solak has an odd question: is there a way to check why the logout/lock/restart buttons are not working?
[21:52]  * Solak did an upgrade from 10.04 LTS to 10.10 :)
[22:21] <Daskreech> Solak: nothing happens when you click them?
[22:21] <Daskreech> I'm assuming this is on any instance of them?
[22:21] <Daskreech>  did you login via GDM?
[22:29] <Solak> Daskreech: no, but I think I located the problem: [ 4430.666406] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
[22:29] <Solak> Daskreech: now I have to figure out how to solve that :/
[22:34] <Solak> Daskreech: it worked just after the upgrade, but then logout locked and I had to restart with a 'shutdown -r now'
[22:43] <Solak> ok, time to retry reboot... bbl.
[22:55] <18VAAEUVI> hello
[23:13] <s0phia> i need to add a directory that i can add code to. how do i do so? ;o
[23:17] <Solak> re
[23:18] <Solak> selecting another kernel in the grub-menu did the trick.
[23:25] <moetunes> s0phia:  to add another directory to $PATH add a line in ~.bash_profile like   if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
[23:25] <moetunes>     PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
[23:25] <moetunes> fi
[23:25] <s0phia> i can't just use mkdir ?
[23:37] <moetunes> you can if you don't need to add it to $PATH
[23:37] <moetunes> s0phia:  ^
[23:37] <s0phia> uh
[23:37] <s0phia> what's the difference? ^_^
[23:38] <moetunes> you can tab complete executables in a terminal
[23:38] <moetunes> !tab
[23:39] <s0phia> o_O
[23:39] <s0phia> it's for code snippets
[23:40] <moetunes> in that case just do   mkdir /path/to/new/folder
[23:41] <Solak> sigh...
[23:42] <s0phia> o_O
[23:44] <Solak> kernel: [ 1625.999171] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation
[23:44] <Solak> earlier it was framebuffer...
[23:44]  * Solak is confused.
[23:45] <Solak> anyway, it looks like logout locks.
[23:45] <Solak> and when I restart, the logout buttons don't work anymore and give messages related to drm.
[23:46] <Solak> the last message I see is about 'battery' (and it isn't even running on a system with a battery other than that for the bios ;))
[23:50] <Solak> reboot, brb
[23:54] <Macer> my spidey sense is tingling on getting an alienware m11
[23:54] <Macer> what a beast
[23:54] <Macer> kubuntu probably wouldnt run on it heh
[23:54] <Macer> that would be disappointing
[23:57] <chx> how can i change a password stored in my kwallet? can't figure it since kde4 to be honest... but now i really need it :/ i am on 10.04 lts


[01:28] <mup> PR snapd#10825 closed: tests: Include the tools from snapd-testing-tools project in "$TESTSTOOLS" <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10825>
[06:48] <mborzecki> morning
[08:07] <pstolowski> morning
[08:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#3598 opened: extensions/kde-neon: declare non-experimental for core20 <Created by ppd> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3598>
[08:32] <mborzecki> pstolowski: hey
[09:46] <mardy> mborzecki, miguelpires, pstolowski: hi!
[09:50] <miguelpires> hi mardy
[10:01] <mup> PR snapd#11100 opened: interfaces: allow receiving PropertiesChanged on the mpris plug <Simple 😃> <Needs security review> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11100>
[10:16] <mup> PR snapd#10768 closed: daemon: amend ssh keys coming from the store <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10768>
[10:26] <mup> PR snapd#11101 opened: packaging: stop building with buildmode=pie and strip binary <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11101>
[11:08] <pstolowski> jamesh: fixed the test issue in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11072, thanks for spotting
[11:08] <mup> PR #11072: usersession/client: provide a way for client to send messages to a subset of users <refresh app awareness> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11072>
[11:36] <mup> PR snapd#11047 closed: tests: new tool used to retrieve data from mongo db <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11047>
[11:51] <mup> PR snapd#11102 opened: o/devicestate: during remodel first check pending download tasks for snaps <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11102>
[12:01] <mup> PR snapd#11103 opened: o/snapstate: refactor disk space checks <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11103>
[12:26] <mup> PR snapd#11104 opened: interfaces/builtin/hardware-udev-control: add new interface <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11104>
[15:47] <mup> PR snapd#10900 closed: o/devicestate: introduce DeviceManager.Unregister <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10900>
[15:47] <mup> PR snapd#11100 closed: interfaces: allow receiving PropertiesChanged on the mpris plug <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11100>
[18:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#3599 opened: desktop: improve shell substitution logic <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3599>
[18:43] <mup> PR snapd#11105 opened: tests: run snap-disconnect on uc16 <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11105>


[10:12] <mup> Bug # changed: 1928253, 1930688, 1931606, 1939032, 1939033, 1941008, 1948058
[10:48] <mup> Bug # changed: 1810796, 1867350, 1879986, 1883750
[15:27] <mup> Bug #1953049 opened: Error while calling ScanNetworks: Unable to get RPC connection for rack controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1953049>
[17:52] <mup> Bug #1953060 opened: Fails on  commissioning when jammy is used. <MAAS:Fix Committed by adam-collard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1953060>


[07:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2555](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2555): Fix regenerate-miral-symbols-map.py (and symbols.map)
[07:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] edited [pull request #2557](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2557): Add virtual pointer protocol name to miral
[09:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2558](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2558): [doc] Don't leave obsolete docs around
[10:03] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2557](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2557): Add virtual pointer protocol name to miral
[10:42] <alan_g[m]> Saviq headspace for this? https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2556
[10:49] <Saviq> ACK
[10:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2559](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2559): Use Clang parser for generating docs... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a21a2aa66daa0729d28e885c4b78527d4d12dd97)
[11:19] <Saviq> alan_g just one thing re: quirks: any better verb for "allow"? skip vs. allow don't seem like the right pair.
[11:19] <Saviq> skip vs. use? skip vs. enable?
[11:21] <alan_g[m]> I struggled there. There's no obvious antonym for this use of "skip" (I thought of those options before proposing "allow")
[11:22] <alan_g[m]> I also thought of making uo "unskip"
[11:22] <Saviq> But that assumes it's skipped ;)
[11:23] <alan_g[m]> Better would be "disable" vs "enable"
[11:23] <Saviq> I suppose context-wise, it is "skip this driver/devnode" vs. "allow this driver/devnode, if you encounter it"
[11:23] <Saviq> It's "soft" in that sense -- enable/disable suggests it would be an error to give a driver/devnode that doesn't exist (or doesn't get used)
[11:24] <Saviq> So maybe, since it's not generic, but only applies to this context, it's actually fine, even if sans context, it doesn't necessarily work
[11:25] <alan_g[m]> That is where I arrived at. But easily convinced otherwise
[11:26] <alan_g[m]> "use" and "enable" seem too strong. "Unskip" is just artificial
[11:46] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2559](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2559): Use Clang parser for generating docs
[12:25] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2556](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2556): Add more defaults to driver-quirks
[12:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2558](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2558): [doc] Don't leave obsolete docs around
[13:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2560](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2560): Add a libmiral-bin metapackage... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2887be4e5a81f023ca49cba86ce8f2adfb0b23e9)
[14:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2467](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2467): Auto-selection of X11 platforms fails with Nvidia drivers (470 and 515) using LXDE
[14:25] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2278](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2278): Wayland platform: support all pointer events
[14:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2176](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2176): Implement discrete scrolling for mouse wheel
[14:36] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #1717](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1717): We still publish libmirserver-dev
[14:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq requested a review from RAOF for [pull request #2560](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2560): Add a libmiral-bin metapackage
[15:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #341](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/341): Surface frame events don't have timestamps
[15:34] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths added wmww review required to [issue #318](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/318): Wayland interfaces fail to verify `serial` parameter
[16:46] <Saviq> Good evening o/
[17:05] <alan_g[m]> Good evening o/


[12:40] <wachunei> hello?
[12:41] <mhb> wachunei: it's a bit late here
[12:41] <mhb> wachunei: hello to you too
[12:42] <wachunei> thanks mhb , do you only speak english?
[12:43] <wachunei> nevermind, i have an inkscape question, may i ask here?
[12:44] <mhb> some #inkscape channel could be better, I think
[12:44] <mhb> but you can ask (I don't know if I can answer, too)
[12:45] <wachunei> i need a perspective transform
[12:45] <AndyFitz> see you in #inkscape wachunei
[12:45] <AndyFitz> ;-)
[12:46] <mhb> wachunei: I think he's right ... (I'm too tired to answer)
[07:09] <troy_s> greetz mad
[07:09] <Madpilot> hi troy_s
[07:10] <troy_s> well i guess i should contact sheet the new stuffs.
[07:10] <troy_s> grr.
[12:05] <kwwii> moin
[02:03] <klepas> g'morgen
[06:43] <cyanescent> ahoy
[08:04] <troy_s> cyanescent, HES BACK
[08:04] <troy_s> yo niel you in bro?
[08:04] <cyanescent> hey yup.. thank god for the internet connection at this uni
[08:05] <cyanescent> had a panic session this morning though -- got a pone call at 8.30 saying I had to leave by 12 ;-(
[08:06] <troy_s> what happeend?
[08:08] <cyanescent> some misunderstanding... the house is given to us on lease by the uni. but they're all a bunch of nutty physicists with no idea how to plan accommodation.. so yesterday evening we got a family of 4 dropping in with the same keys saying they'd booked the room
[08:10] <cyanescent> I don't know the uni phoned saying they'd told us.. but they hadn't
[08:10] <cyanescent> so we thought we'd also got our bike stolen today... but it turns out the uni was scoping the bike stands to reclaim bikes without telling people either...
[08:11] <cyanescent> thank god I don't study here..
[08:11] <troy_s> eek
[08:11] <troy_s> sorry... i was mailing
[08:11] <cyanescent> brb..check on food
[08:14] <cyanescent> I saw mark's post.. sounds very confusing
[08:16] <troy_s> Yep
[08:16] <troy_s> But I tried to make a little sense of it.
[08:16] <cyanescent> not sure whether there is enough agreement between what the AC wants and the CC wants
[08:16] <troy_s> What I think he wants is for all development to pick up from the LSplash events.
[08:16] <troy_s> Well... there is no Art Council yet
[08:16] <troy_s> That said,
[08:16] <cyanescent> is Frank not AC ?
[08:17] <troy_s> frank is the artist in cheif
[08:17] <troy_s> yes.
[08:17] <troy_s> this is why i was pressuring the point
[08:17] <troy_s> to get some clear direction from above... it requires a little work, but i think i have a pretty good handle on where to go in the immediate future...
[08:23] (kwwii/#ubuntu-artwork) troy_s: I think so
[08:23] (cyanescent/#ubuntu-artwork) we really need a run down on what we need in submissions
[08:23] (kwwii/#ubuntu-artwork) which one are we talking about?
[08:23] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) you see the lsplash mockups i forwarded?  they are pretty simple and plain, but with a distinct difference per version (subject to sizing composition, position etc)
[08:23] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) the "Ubuntu" gloss... here.
[08:24] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GlassyLogo
[08:24] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) the problem that i have with the illustrative gloss
[08:24] (cyanescent/#ubuntu-artwork) brb... need to cook
[08:24] (mhb/#ubuntu-artwork) kwwii: what wallpaper do you have in mind?
[08:24] <troy_s> was one that i brought up in paris -- it isn't easily extrapolated across a wallpaper
[08:24] <troy_s> or a larger area...
[08:24] <troy_s> so i need some good sketch proposals on a way to integrate it
[08:25] <troy_s> weidel's work has a good little background attempt that MIGHT work with it.
[08:25] <kwwii> mhb: not sure, feel free to keep proposing ideas :-)
[08:25] <kwwii> ahhh, yes, I did help him a little
[08:25] <troy_s> then we can bind the three things into one professional feel.
[08:25] <troy_s> (which is my main concern, i only bothered to contribute to at least get the ball rolling -- sometimes getting 'no' is better than getting nothing :) )
[08:26] <troy_s> kwwii:  you see my issue?
[08:26] <kwwii> I am still reading the emails :-)
[08:27] <kwwii> ok, so you want to make wiedels gloss stuff a bit more like the tangerine gloss look that who made?
[08:28] <troy_s> actually no
[08:28] <troy_s> i need you to brainstorm on how to take the illustrative simple gloss
[08:28] <troy_s> present on the human folder and who's logo
[08:28] <troy_s> and figure out a nice way to get that integrated into something on a wallpaper
[08:29] <troy_s> with a variant for a gdm
[08:29] <troy_s> with me?
[08:29] <troy_s> because obviously the wallpaper lacks logo etc.
[08:29] <troy_s> weidel's wallpaper has one set that has a good background that MIGHT be a starting point.
[08:30] <kwwii> one second, wife
[08:31] <troy_s> good name for a band
[08:31] <troy_s> "One Second Wife"
[08:32] <cyanescent> heheh
[08:33] <kwwii> hehe
[08:33] <troy_s> cyanescent, did frank talk to you about the illuminating meshes yet?
[08:33] <cyanescent> no. I suppose I should give him the gmail account
[08:33] <troy_s> i think that gloss can be easily transitionned into a very 'illustrative' gloss via a few oil canvas passes
[08:33] <troy_s> laf.
[08:34] <kwwii> hrm
[08:34] <troy_s> its very easy... oil canvas then selective gaussian blurs stacked up
[08:35] <troy_s> ends up looking very illustrative
[08:35] <kwwii> the problem about the gloss on the logo is that it has a hard line, not sure how easy that is to put in a bg
[08:35] <troy_s> that said, i would really
[08:35] <troy_s> exactly!
[08:35] <cyanescent> heh... well it's one style or another IMO. 3D doesn't always work, and if sabdfl doesn't want, there is no need to go further down that road
[08:35] <troy_s> that's why i need you to pound out some sketches... look to some sort of obscure shapes that would be well suited to the background.
[08:35] <kwwii> well, I would make the background soft and fuzzy, then it doesn't matter
[08:35] <troy_s> cyanescent, agree... but this is for futures :)
[08:35] <kwwii> something like fyre produces with nice gradients
[08:35] <troy_s> soft and fuzzy doesn't carry the same gloss though
[08:36] <troy_s> and carrying the gloss is one step towards achieving the professionalism we are looking for
[08:36] <troy_s> so that things feel cohesive...
[08:36] <troy_s> here... let me snag the link.
[08:36] <cyanescent> troy_s can't you just remix some of the colours on your backgrounds ?
[08:36] <cyanescent> fyre with honey ?
[08:37] <cyanescent> well... fyre has many lines which may get in the way of the hard line
[08:37] <troy_s> cyanescent, it is easy to get variants into usable items if you realize that proposals are very loose.
[08:37] <troy_s> kwwii
[08:37] <troy_s> kwwii https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/WallpaperProposal
[08:37] <troy_s> top two under Weidel's proposal section
[08:37] <troy_s> those shapes would fit to gloss well i think
[08:37] <troy_s> and they are quite stylish
[08:38] <troy_s> cyanescent, it is very easy when you have a full team of artists to look at bigger pictures, but when you are liasing with folks who aren't artist inclined, it can be difficult at first.
[08:39] <kwwii> troy_s: you mean the rendered grey and brown stuff (that looks so damn cool)?
[08:40] <troy_s> the brown set
[08:40] <troy_s> yes
[08:40] <troy_s> minus the brand
[08:40] <troy_s> something like waves with the gloss applied over it?
[08:40] <troy_s> is where i am thinking
[08:40] <troy_s> and this is sort of your forte, so you could be of great assistance.
[08:41] <kwwii> I would suggest staying away from that idea....I actually just tried it not to long ago, and it tends to make things look funky (you only notice that it looks like glass from far away because of the size of the effect
[08:41] <troy_s> well weidel's is simple enough to work
[08:42] <troy_s> it is already glossy (not in the same style though)
[08:42] <troy_s> and it isn't too busy
[08:42] <kwwii> I think that if you use the same kind of gradients as in the logo in his abstract bg stuff it will do the trick
[08:44] <troy_s> yes
[08:44] <troy_s> that background with a subtle gloss twint across the tops of the emboss
[08:44] <troy_s> although the shapes are completely arbitrary
[08:44] <troy_s> i have a few folks working in that direction now.
[08:44] <troy_s> and i would dearly appreciate your help.
[08:45] <kwwii> troy_s: look at http://bootsplash.org/edgy3a.png
[08:45] <kwwii> you mean that kind of effect (only not soo pronounced, etc.)?
[08:46] <troy_s> hold...downing
[08:47] <troy_s> the top gloss... basically white to transparent (if i remember correctly) in a sweepy curve, top to bottom, across a good series of shapes.  Coupled with a gradient.
[08:47] <troy_s> pretty basic, but i think we can limit this game of battleship if we get a bunch of stuff like that on the table.
[08:47] <troy_s> OK I LIED
[08:47] <troy_s> looking at the folder again
[08:47] <troy_s> it is white gloss on top
[08:48] <troy_s> looks like an almost radial grad too, no?  how do you do it?
[08:48] <kwwii> that is the problem
[08:48] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GlassyLogo
[08:48] <troy_s> well just make a bunch of curves on the background, and emboss them
[08:48] <troy_s> then apply your technique
[08:48] <troy_s> how's that?
[08:48] <troy_s> with me?
[08:49] <kwwii> well, it is simply a gradient from white to transparent, but it gets cut off by the curve
[08:49] <kwwii> it is really simple
[08:49] <troy_s> yes...
[08:49] <troy_s> so we need curves
[08:49] <troy_s> because that sells it
[08:49] <troy_s> so a few abstract wavy lines...
[08:49] <kwwii> to which pic?, the brown version from wiedel with a logo in it?
[08:49] <troy_s> i can bang out some sketches if it would help for a given background.
[08:49] <kwwii> or something new, you mean?
[08:49] <troy_s> well i cited that as a starting point because he managed to take some
[08:49] <troy_s> rather
[08:50] <troy_s> unobtrusive 'shapes', emboss them slightly
[08:50] <troy_s> which makes for a potential sweepy gloss application
[08:50] <troy_s> so i think it is a step in the right direction
[08:50] <troy_s> with some good gradients.
[08:50] <kwwii> I see what you mean now
[08:50] <troy_s> also, think towards grad'ing the stroke for the sweep as i find that to be quite slick (in the future... don't worry right now)
[08:51] <cyanescent> this is for LSplash, right?
[08:53] <troy_s> http://www.noscope.com/journal/assets/openhouse_0804/osx_bg.jpg
[08:53] <troy_s> this is for all targets
[08:53] <troy_s> that is a good example of the sweep lines
[08:53] <kwwii> LSPlash? what is that?
[08:53] <kwwii> hehe
[08:53] <kwwii> yeah
[08:53] <troy_s> except with the kwwii gloss
[08:53] <kwwii> I did quite a lot of that stuff 5 years ago
[08:54] <troy_s> make it work on the big
[08:54] <troy_s> then we can migrate it to the smaller (lsplash)
[08:54] <troy_s> and get the proper hues
[08:54] <troy_s> i would like to see something distinct if we can manage it...
[08:54] <troy_s> but that is the needed direction
[08:55] <troy_s> i think we will score more hits than misses if we travel that way.
[08:55] <kwwii> what is the lsplash?
[08:55] <kwwii> usplash, you mean?
[08:55] <kwwii> I will whip something up a bit later...working on something atm
[08:57] <troy_s> lsplash
[08:57] <troy_s> logon splash
[08:58] <troy_s> as in the splash between logon and wallpaper
[08:58] <kwwii> ahaaa, I see
[08:59] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/LSplashProposal
[08:59] <troy_s> where light grey is complete transparency
[08:59] <troy_s> and the pill is subject to gloss etc.
[09:00] <kwwii> gotcha
[09:00] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wester/38490644/in/set-740780/
[09:01] <troy_s> here is some interesting sort of lines that might work, seastian just has been sending them to me.
[09:01] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wester/34207376/in/set-740780/
[09:01] <troy_s> but more abstract
[09:01] <troy_s> the lines are terrific for that sort of thing though
[09:01] <kwwii> nifty
[09:02] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wester/35180260/in/set-740780/
[09:03] <troy_s> i don't know... something to give you some lines :)
[09:12] <viper550> Hello
[09:15] <viper550> I just realized that you can use Opera as an IRC program too!
[09:16] <troy_s> That's Terrific!
[09:16] <viper550> But I still kinda prefer x-chat
[09:19] <viper550> Can Gimp open PSD files?
[09:24] <troy_s> yes
[10:20] <Viper550> Does anyone know how to suggest fonts in metathemes?
[11:36] <Who_> Hi all
[11:37] <kwwii> hi Who
[11:37] <kwwii> erm
[11:37] <kwwii> Who_:
[11:37] <kwwii> hehe
[11:37] <kwwii> you get the point
[11:38] <Who_> indeed
[11:38] <Who_> I've been doing some work trying to make a gdm proposal a bit like the Dapper Splash - I could do with some opinion
[11:38] <kwwii> Who_: could you post your blue bubble pic on the list and perhaps add it to the wiki page suggesting it for use in kubuntu?
[11:38] <Who_> s
[11:38] <Who_> yea, for sure :)
[11:40] <Who_> Where do proposals live on the wiki?
[11:40] <kwwii> Who_: I guess on the same pages as the others
[11:40] <Who_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals - there?
[11:41] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/WallpaperProposal  sounds like the right place
[11:50] <Who_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GDMProposal
[11:50] <Who_> thoughts?
[11:54] <kwwii> I think that the bg needs to be a bit more complex, with some hints of the gradients used in the title grapihc
[11:54] <kwwii> but otherwise, I love it :-)
[11:56] <Who_> yea, the title graphic does stand out a bit
[11:57] <kwwii> it looks nice
[11:57] <kwwii> but the bg is a bit too simple for oit
[11:57] <kwwii> it
[11:57] <troy_s> who
[11:57] <troy_s> yay
[11:58] <troy_s> very nice work who_
[11:58] <troy_s> terrific
[11:58] <troy_s> only a couple problems as i can see Who_
[11:58] <Who_> not quite 'proposy' enough, I worry
[11:59] <troy_s> nope
[11:59] <troy_s> its very good...
[11:59] <Who_> cool, suggest away
[11:59] <troy_s> have you tried it against the pre-rendered area for the gdm?
[11:59] <troy_s> i think it is terrific
[11:59] <troy_s> can you do up some more with different stylings?
[11:59] <troy_s> like the placement of the logo plus text?
[12:00] <troy_s> 1) ship me your glossy logo -- it looks wonderful
[12:00] <troy_s> 2) mock up some more variations on the gdm, try this as a suggestion box:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/LSplashProposal
[12:00] <Who_> lol, it doesn't when you scrutinise it :P!
[12:00] <troy_s> 3) ship me as many as you can -- don't worry about resolutions
[12:01] <troy_s> no its perfect for proposal phase.
[12:01] <Who_> I am scaling them all donw at the moment, because they look bad on the wiki
[12:01] <troy_s> well just give them to me
[12:01] <troy_s> you use imagemagick?
[12:01] <troy_s> imagemagick will contact sheet them very quickly and easily
[12:01] <troy_s> i will contact sheet all the current viables... like weidel's approach (minus the brand)
[12:02] <Who_> well, then I will use that :) - can you give me some quick hints to save me tha man page?
[12:02] <troy_s> my only thought would be -- busy up the background a bit, so that the contrasts look more like gloss
[12:02] <troy_s> with me?
[12:02] <troy_s> right now they are so simple in tone (which is good -- we will provide a gradual progression)
[12:02] <troy_s> that you can't really see the gloss.
[12:03] <Who_> I will do many variations. Just gimmie a little while
[12:04] <troy_s> its very good, and my gut tells me it is pretty much what sabdfl is looking for... can you ship me them via email when you are done?
[12:04] <troy_s> i'll wiki them all together with the others...
[12:04] <troy_s> Who_?
[12:04] <troy_s> as i said, just bust out as many as you can (don't worry about any form of polishing), and try to work the gloss up.
[12:04] <Who_> troy_s: I will zip up a whole load and email
[12:04] <troy_s> terrific work though.
[12:04] <troy_s> thanks for coming back
[12:04] <troy_s> you were horribly missed :)


[09:18] <hikiko> andyrock, ping :)
[09:19] <hikiko> mmm... too early
[09:19] <hikiko> +wrong channel
[09:19] <hikiko> sorry people
[09:19] <hikiko> I thought I am in ubuntu-desktop
[09:23] <ypwong> heh
[09:24] <ypwong> this channel needs some noise :)


[19:45] <chrs_> hi. anyone running ubuntu on a samsung arm chromebook series 3? do you have accelerated graphics working?
[19:45] <chrs_> ARM Mali T604 GPU in the Samsung Exynos 5 SOC
[19:46] <chrs_> i already have a tweaked armsoc x server (or driver??) from a linaro dude
[19:49] <chrs_> i realize this isn't an arm core specific question, more like a gpu IP within arm core issue
[19:49] <chrs_> err.. x server driver on arm gpu ip


[03:09] <benfitzpatrick> hey all
[03:10] <benfitzpatrick> well i am going through my 1st ever kubuntu and in general 1st linux install, and i do wanna keep win10 on my hard drive. and i've seen pictures of KDE5 and it looks not to my liking so i went with 14.04.5 because it looked better to me so i fired up a 14.04.5 usb and its not showing my existing partitons on my Hard drive
[03:11] <benfitzpatrick> i dunno what to do about this
[03:11] <benfitzpatrick> and i did google this issue but..no result
[03:14] <benfitzpatrick> and i was lead to believe that Linux support was there to help new users with setting stuff up and be interactive, and all i have seen here, is a "dead zone"
[03:16] <fuze> benfitzpatrick: you can customize the look of everything in kde, definitely download kde 17.04
[03:17] <benfitzpatrick> well i did try it fuze, it was too much a UI overhaul, kde4 was just better for me tbh
[03:17] <benfitzpatrick> and easier
[03:18] <fuze> ok i see, just know there are less features and more bugs in my experience
[03:18] <benfitzpatrick> i know
[03:18] <benfitzpatrick> well kde4 had more of what i need than 5 tbh
[03:18] <benfitzpatrick> but the only challenge is 14.04.5 is not finding my partitions on my laptops hdd/ssd hybrid drive
 @benfitzpatrick, People are either sleeping or don't know the answer right now
[03:19] <benfitzpatrick> and i ahh im sorry
[03:20] <benfitzpatrick> i was just trying to get kubuntu installed i've been trying ALL day to get installed alongside win10 and it hasnt worked at all its not finding my partitions on my hdd
[03:20] <benfitzpatrick> it does in the terminal but not the GUI
[03:21] <benfitzpatrick> and ironically my USB is detected as sda and my hard drive as sdb..im like oook
[03:21] <fuze> does the windows partition take up the whole drive
[03:22] <benfitzpatrick> no i did make seperate space for linux
[03:22] <benfitzpatrick> i have a 1tb hdd and it has a swap space and a free partition for linux alongside windows
[03:23] <fuze> i think you need to disable fast boot
[03:23] <benfitzpatrick> i have..
[03:23] <ahoneybun_> *secure
[03:23] <fuze> the checkbox for fast startup in windows power settings?
[03:23] <benfitzpatrick> im in the kubuntu USB rn and i have the installer open but it doesnt see my windows partiton its showing me a blank drive
[03:23] <benfitzpatrick> yeah i turned that off
[03:24] <fuze> what happens if you try to create a new partition
[03:24] <benfitzpatrick> it says its gonan wipe my HDD
[03:25] <fuze> create the partition in windows
[03:25] <benfitzpatrick> thats what i did
[03:25] <fuze> create the linux partition in windows
[03:25] <benfitzpatrick> yeah i did
[03:25] <fuze> what filesystem
[03:25] <benfitzpatrick> fat32
[03:26] <benfitzpatrick> and it wont show my NTFS nor fat32 partitions
[03:26] <benfitzpatrick> it shows a totally blank drive
[03:27] <benfitzpatrick> i wonder if i should try a different usb, im using a usb3.0 drive
[03:27] <fuze> have you tried doing it with the fat32 partition deleted as unallocated space
[03:27] <benfitzpatrick> hmmm i might try that and im gonna use a usb2 drive just to see if that fixes it
[03:27] <fuze> that wont matter, unless the usb3 drive is faulty
[03:27] <benfitzpatrick> i think it is, it has connection issues
[03:28] <benfitzpatrick> it wont stay plugged in and i had issues booting the usb using universal USB installer
[03:28] <fuze> do you have the 'something else' option here: http://www.debianadmin.com/wp-content/gallery/13-04desk/3.png
[03:28] <benfitzpatrick> yes i do
[03:29] <benfitzpatrick> and it shows no OS pre-installed
[03:29] <fuze> if deleting the fat32 doesnt work, try making the partition ntfs
[03:30] <benfitzpatrick> ok ill try that thanks
[03:30] <fuze> you may run into this issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/134124/why-do-i-get-no-root-file-system-is-defined-when-i-try-install-in-one-partitio/134131#134131
[07:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:31] <user|19043> hello all?
[07:33] <user|19043> I am using Kubuntu 16.04. How can I upgrade to 17.04 ?
[07:34] <lordievader> user|19043: You first need to upgrade to 16.10.
 either upgrade to 16.10, then again to 17.04. or do a clean install
[07:34] <lordievader> From there you can upgrade to 17.04.
[07:38] <Mrokii> Hello. Since a few days ago, KDE connect on my Android seems to lose connection to my Desktop (it worked before). Specifically file transfers start, but then at some point my desktop isn't visible anymore in the Android-app and the file-transfer is being interrupted. Has anybody else had this behaviour?
[07:40] <Mrokii> I just tried to pair the devices again, and that worked. Am trying another file-transfer to see what will happen.
[09:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[09:37] <K-ubuntuer> Hey
[09:37] <K-ubuntuer> Any questions about kubuntu or kde?
[09:38] <BluesKaj> not here, how about you ?  :-)
[09:38] <K-ubuntuer> Me neither
[09:38] <K-ubuntuer> Just came to say hi :)
[09:38] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[09:39] <K-ubuntuer> Ok I'm going
[09:39] <K-ubuntuer> Bye everyone!
[09:39] <BluesKaj> hey lordievader, what's up today ?
[09:40] <lordievader> Some disk optimization here.
[09:40] <lordievader> How are you doing BluesKaj ?
[09:40] <BluesKaj> good here, and you, lordievader?
[09:40] <lordievader> Apart from the heat, I'm fine.
[09:42] <BluesKaj> right
[09:43] <lordievader> It is going to be 33-36 here. With no airco :(
[09:46] <BluesKaj> eeuw, bummer!
[09:49] <oerheks> breaking temp records today, indeed
[09:52] <BluesKaj> it's gonna be 22 here this afternoon, but rain is on the way
[09:55] <lordievader> We have thunder on the way.
[16:45] <Mrokii> I can't get IM Contqcts / Telepathy to work on Kubuntu. When I start "IM contacts" I get a message about no IM accounts being configure. When I hit "yes" to create one, I can do that (with chat being enabled), but I can't configure it and when I hit "okay" I can't choose anything but "offline" in the IM Contacts-window. What am I doing wrong?
[17:15] <EldonMcGuinness> Is it just me or does the sending sms via kconnect not work
[17:17] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: I wouldn't even know how to do that. Is there a button somewhere for sending an SMS?
[17:18] <EldonMcGuinness> Not that I can see, but I could have sworn there was to be an option for that
[17:18] <EldonMcGuinness> I know it is in the Android client
[17:19] <Mrokii> Ah, I thought it was a function on the Desktop.
[17:38] <EldonMcGuinness> It should be! The Android app has an option to send sms. It just seems the desktop does not have a corresponding option.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> EldonMcGuinness, check smstools
[18:55] <EldonMcGuinness> Will give it a look
[19:56] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: Sending an SMS via the android app doesn't sound too useful to me. Sending one from the Desktop would be.
[20:23] <EldonMcGuinness> Mrokii: that is what it should let you do. On the app you give permissions for the desktop to do things. But there is no reciprocal button/prompt on the desktop.
[20:23] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: Ah, okay.
[20:26] <Mrokii> Does somebody know if I can reset my password for a kdetalk.net-account? And how?
[20:28] <clivejo> EldonMcGuinness: you have to be using the default messaging app on your Andriod device to be able to send SMS via your desktop
[20:31] <clivejo> Default SMS app : Messaging
[20:31] <Mrokii> clivejo: Ah yes, I have heard something like that before, but forgot it completely.
[20:32] <clivejo> kinda wish there was documentation on these things!
[20:44] <EldonMcGuinness> clivejo: I changed it back to the default and not seeing an option on the desktop to send a message. Perhaps it is reply only ATM?
[20:57] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: Could a restart be necessary? Maybe KDE connect doesn't recognise the change.
[21:16] <EldonMcGuinness> Would be quite unorthodox for a desktop app to require a restart for a mobile change, but what the hey.
[21:25] <Mrokii> EldonMcGuinness: Yeah, sure. Was just a thought.
[23:13] <Guest88301> Hi I'm having a huge problem, basically I need to get rid of grub somehow. I'm in the kubuntu live disk with no linux installation and I can't get into windows. When I boot it says grub rescue menu
[23:15] <Guest88301> where is the help room?


[05:09] <mapps> hi :D
[05:19] <mapps> hmm
[05:19] <mapps> noone around too early;]
[10:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:34] <amunizp> Good morning
[10:35] <brobostigon> morning amunizp
[10:35] <amunizp> o/
[10:36] <amunizp> you wouldn't know about luks encryption brobostigon ?
[10:37] <brobostigon> no, sorry.
[13:26] <awilkins> Recommends for cheap US VPS ($1 a month type cheap) - only need basic box with 128MB RAM?
[13:51]  * penguin42 doesn't know anything that cheap
[13:52]  * penguin42 was going to ask for recommendations for domain registrars (.org)
[20:06] <foobarry> awilkins: lowendbox.com ?
[20:07] <diddledan> aah he's back? awilkins, I found scaleway the other day - their low-end cost for a dedi arm box is about €2.99 IIRC
[20:08] <diddledan> oh that's their VPS
[20:08] <diddledan> their dedi arm boxes are €11.99
[20:08] <diddledan> https://www.scaleway.com/
[20:08] <diddledan> the 2.99/mo VPS is 2core 2GB RAM and 50GB SSD
[20:09] <diddledan> that's x86_64-based rather than ARM
[20:12] <foobarry> why are some films on google play not for tental? e.g. interstellar
[20:12] <foobarry> buy only.
[20:13] <diddledan> tent!
[20:13] <diddledan> foobarry, because the hollywood studio licensing deals are poo
[20:15]  * penguin42 expects it's something like more recent/more successful ones
[20:35] <foobarry> does ebay do 2FA? an't find it
[20:44] <diddledan> I've got my GMail 2fa'd now, I need to get more accounts set-up to use it
[21:11] <daftykins> mmm i use that on my personal one, my new google apps one and my microsoft account
[21:11] <daftykins> if i log into my MS account the app on my phone comes up with the request ID and i can either approve or deny
[21:12] <diddledan> \o/
[22:53]  * brobostigon has three yubikeys for such aplications.
[23:02] <n1md4> hi.  i used ecryptfs on my home directory, but have misplaced what it was or how to retrieve it.  Ideally I'd like to change it to something I will remember.
[23:02] <n1md4> Any advice would be apprecitaed
[23:03] <diddledan> n1md4, login and run ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase
[23:03] <diddledan> I think that's the right command
[23:04] <n1md4> ah ha!  that's the passphrase then
[23:04] <diddledan> or, just login and marvel at the files being accessible
[23:05] <n1md4> so, if i wanted to mount that drive, for disaster recovery, it's that phrase that I need, right?
[23:05] <diddledan> yes
[23:05] <n1md4> Oh, I'm logged in now, it's beautiful :)
[23:05] <n1md4> Thanks.  So, is it easy to change? Or can I use the password (that is my login) to mount the drive
[23:07] <diddledan> the passphrase is encrypted using symmetric encryption based on your user-account. so you should only ever need the passphrase for that recovery scenario you mention where you can't use your normal login
[23:07] <n1md4> OK so note it somewhere and keep it safe!  got it.  thanks.
[23:08] <diddledan> normally the mounting is done via PAM when you sign-in, IIRC. so if your user account goes byebye then you need to use the recovery passphrase to access the files.
[23:11] <n1md4> o7


[01:00] <wxl> thanks for the fix @tsimonq2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1795278/comments/20
[01:00] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1795278 in software-properties (Ubuntu Lunar) "software-properties-{qt,kde} attempts to use KUrl but it doesn't exist" [Undecided, Triaged]
[01:00] <tsimonq2> No worries :)
[01:02] <wxl> that has been ongoing FOREVER so that is a big win
[01:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: good now fix more bugs mr. green ~lubuntu-dev XD
[01:05] <wxl> gimme something to work on (not glibc) XD
[01:07] <tsimonq2> wxl: Can you look at the wip-qt6 branch of both qtermwidget and qterminal and figure out why that process is being forked to the background?
[01:07] <tsimonq2> :)
[01:08] <wxl> wait you run it and it just forks to the background?
[01:09] <tsimonq2> No, so you open qterminal, and it pops up with a back background and a cursor, but entering text does nothing.
[01:09] <tsimonq2> Via the terminal output, you can see the PID for the bash session. That's confirmed by looking at the files under /proc/$PID
[01:10] <tsimonq2> Something isn't properly connected, or being forked to the background. I looked at it with GDB a week or two back and pasted as far as I got.
[01:10] <wxl> have you discussed this with the lxqt team?
[01:10] <tsimonq2> 01:03 < tsimonq2> src/termwidget.cpp:85 has startShellProgram(); - adding yet another breakpoint
[01:10] <tsimonq2> 01:17 < tsimonq2> 214       if (_eraseChar != 0)
[01:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: No, because it's all in WIP Qt 6 branches. :P
[01:11] <tsimonq2> I don't quite think they care right now.
[01:11] <wxl> sure but still
[01:11] <tsimonq2> at least Alf isn't the one responding anymore ;)
[01:11]  * tsimonq2 runs
[01:12] <wxl> fair enough
[01:12] <tsimonq2> wxl: You're welcome to take a look at that, otherwise OEM instructions for Cala are already documented upstream and just need implementing, or a module for a minimal install.
[01:12] <tsimonq2> lxqt-qtplugin is probably next for a Qt 6 port to get theming working
[01:12] <tsimonq2> Qt 6 apps look fugly right now
[01:13] <tsimonq2> *shrug*
[01:17] <tsimonq2> yeah just a simple GUI module
[01:17] <wxl> ok
[01:17] <tsimonq2> I think there *might* be a step at the end that just removes all the unnecessary packages and such, could just be added to that list if it's not shellprocess or similar
[01:18] <tsimonq2> might have an apt purge call on the backend or similar if nothing is built in already
[01:18] <tsimonq2> That's what the main installer does XD
[01:19] <tsimonq2> I think they were working on stacked squashfses at some point, not sure how far that went
[01:19] <tsimonq2> KISS in what respect here?
[01:20] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/livecd-rootfs/add_multi_layered_squashfses_support/+merge/358490
[01:24] <tsimonq2> https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/auto/config XD
 tsimonq2: we *are* at feature freeze aren't we?  If so then qt6 is probably a no-go unless you *know* theres an ffe for it
 at least in regards to flavors.
 Source NEW doesn't need an FFe remember? :P (re @teward001: tsimonq2: we *are* at feature freeze aren't we?  If so then qt6 is probably a no-go unless you *know* theres an ffe for it)
 It's a general needle that needs pushing forward. Future goal that, if knocked out, will let us not worry as much about that and focus on other things the next few years
 It's not necessary something where I'm saying "hey let's shove it all through this cycle" although Qt 6 theming would be pretty sick ngl
 *necessarily


[05:49] <duflu> jamesh, was there a logical reason for changing the default branch on https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio ?
[05:51] <duflu> Hmm, can't be. It changed to "master" which doesn't exist. And so the web interface showed the latest branch instead. Now changed back to "ubuntu"
[06:05] <jamesh> duflu: I'm not sure how to change the default branch, so it if was something I did it was unintentional
[06:05] <duflu> jamesh, no, looks like a launchpad bug/change
[06:05] <duflu> The default branch reverted to "master" which does not exist so confuses the web interface
[06:06] <jibel> Good morning
[06:06] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:08] <jibel> Hey duflu
[06:18] <didrocks> good morning
[06:18] <jamesh> hi didrocks, jibel
[06:19] <jibel> Hi jamesh and didrocks
[06:27] <didrocks> hey jamesh, salut jibel
[06:33] <jibel> duflu, I reverted the title of bug 1792932 , it's more discoverable for user of cosmic on vbox. Also even if the assertion is the same it may just be a symptom of different root causes.
[06:35] <duflu> jibel, I think assertion failures in general indicate a bug. Even if you arrive at the failure by different means it's a nice clear-cut way to identify the bug by the assertion so should be considered the same bug. The only definite fix for assertion failures is to modify the code so the assertion no longer exists, or never fails
[06:36] <duflu> But I don't think it's helpful for xenial users etc to say "cosmic" or "vbox"
[06:37] <duflu> I've said enough on that now and won't change it again
[07:40] <Nafallo> hmm I see loop devices in Other Locations on nautilus=1:3.26.3-0ubuntu4. known regression?
[07:41] <Nafallo> on bionic
[07:41] <didrocks> I didn't hear about it
[07:41] <didrocks> maybe check with andyrock once he's around, he worked on the lib to hide them
[07:42] <Nafallo> all of them are lxd. no others.
[07:42] <didrocks> ah, could be that we only have hidden the snaps, but I don't think it would be a regression then
[07:42] <didrocks> maybe lxd changed?
[07:42] <didrocks> worth checking with them :)
[07:42] <Nafallo> oh, sorry. lxd snaps...
[07:43] <didrocks> yeah, could be a regression in the lxd snaps maybe, talk to stgraber
[07:45] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:49] <willcooke> good morning
[07:50] <willcooke> Happy October
[07:50] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, hey willcooke
[07:50] <didrocks> happy october indeed
[07:50] <oSoMoN> morning willcooke, didrocks
[07:51] <oSoMoN> goodbye September
[07:55] <willcooke> Woah, suddenly I've got tab completion inside gmail.
[07:55] <willcooke> It offers to finish my sentences for me, and it's pretty good
[07:57] <oSoMoN> not good enough until it learns to write your e-mails entirely for you
[07:57] <willcooke> :)
[07:58] <jibel> if it could work for me and pay my taxes it'd be perfect
[07:59] <oSoMoN> duflu, welcome back
[08:00] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, thanks
[08:00] <willcooke> jibel, out source yourself
[08:00] <duflu> Morning didrocks, Nafallo, willcooke
[08:00] <Nafallo> hey duflu :-)
[08:00] <willcooke> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693
[08:01] <Laney> hai
[08:03] <duflu> 'lo
[08:16] <oSoMoN> is https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/high-power-consumption/8191 something we are aware of?
[08:18] <jibel> I saw it but it's too vague
[08:19] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:19] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va?
[08:19] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ouais, et toi ?
[08:20] <oSoMoN> très bien! les vacances étaient bien?
[08:20] <seb128> coming back from holidays and realizing you forgot the power block from your laptop and don't have a spare one
[08:20] <seb128> #fail
[08:20] <seb128> nickel !
[08:20] <oSoMoN> perfect excuse for an extra week of holidays to go fetch it
[08:23] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:23] <Laney> feeling relaxed?
[08:23] <seb128> oSoMoN, I should :)
[08:23] <seb128> Laney, yes, very much!
[08:23] <seb128> I wonder if I can find a latitude power block in town
[08:24] <seb128> I moved my disk to an old laptop but that's slow and noisy :/
[08:24] <seb128> even slower than my personal old laptop :p
[08:24] <Nafallo> seb128: eeepc? ;-)
[08:25] <seb128> what is eeepc?
[08:25] <seb128> ah, I guess a type of netbook/slow laptop?
[08:25] <Nafallo> first netbooks. 2008 ;-)
[08:26] <Nafallo> underclocked celeron @ 630MHz, 4GB DDR, 4GB internal USB stick, 7" screen. something like that.
[08:26] <Nafallo> actually. probably not 4GB memory :-P
[08:26] <Laney> I had one of those
[08:26] <Laney> seb128: where is it? at the holiday place?
[08:27] <seb128> no, at my place in France
[08:27] <willcooke> seb128, just buy a new laptop.
[08:27] <seb128> I could have it send by post, it's going to take a few days though
[08:27] <seb128> willcooke, I plan to do that, but I probably want a Dell one so need to web order and it's going to take a bit
[08:27] <willcooke> :)
[08:27] <seb128> meanwhile I would like a machine I can use to work :)
[08:28] <willcooke> pfft
[08:28] <Laney> that's what the cloud is for!
[08:28] <seb128> or you say it's fine I don't work until new laptop arrive?
[08:28]  * seb128 goes to the swimming pool
[08:28] <willcooke> :D
[08:28] <Nafallo> 512MB memory, not 4GB :-P
[08:28] <Nafallo> and DDR2
[08:30] <willcooke> kenvandine, jibel:  WOAH!!!! I connected to the Windows PC via VNC, started an Ubuntu machine in Hyper-V, copied a load of text to the clipboard and then pasted in to an email on this machine!
[08:31] <jibel> seb128, or buy a generic power supply with interchangeable connectors and power. hopefully one will be compatible.
[08:31] <willcooke> Ubuntu -> Hyper V -> Windows -> VNC -> Ubuntu
[08:31] <jibel> willcooke, I'm happy that makes you happy :D
[08:31] <willcooke> ha, thanks
[08:31] <Nafallo> seb128: I suppose laptop-ng will be changed with USB-C then ;-)
[08:31] <Nafallo> charged
[08:33] <Trevinho> hi all, and welcome back seb128 :)
[08:33] <seb128> good morning Trevinho!
[08:33] <oSoMoN> morning Trevinho
[08:35] <duflu> Morning Trevinho
[08:46] <willcooke> duflu, jibel thanks for replying to that post that oSoMoN linked to
[08:46] <willcooke> thanks for pointing it out oSoMoN
[08:47] <duflu> willcooke, no worries. ~ubuntu-power-consumption is a lonely place these days but mostly because it's much better than it used to be
[08:47] <duflu> Without the tilde
[08:56] <duflu> willcooke, I wonder... is Tuesday morning still OK for Australia to submit reports? Same as before. That's bascially "Monday night"
[08:57] <duflu> I guess the answer is yes unless you're collating them at 2am-ish
[08:59] <willcooke> duflu, yeah that's totally fine
[09:01] <willcooke> I dont intend on collating anything, the hub posts should be just that
[09:02] <willcooke> so as long as there is something for you to read before the meeting so that you can either raise questions on the hub or however we do it
[09:02] <duflu> I know, but that's the verb which came to mind
[09:02] <willcooke> that will work
[09:02] <willcooke> :)
[09:03] <duflu> I think that will be true either way. We will have all Tuesday to read it
[09:04] <willcooke> ya
[09:04] <willcooke> kenvandine, seb128 - is this blocked until the other MIR review goes through?
[09:04] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-desktop-portal/+bug/1749672
[09:06] <seb128> duflu, that requirement was more for europeans to write the summary on their monday, so robert_ancell has a chance to read them before the meeting (since he's usually off by the time europe starts on tuesday)
[09:06] <duflu> Yes, he is very close to the international date line. Relatively
[09:06] <seb128> willcooke, yes
[09:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm reading the irclog from past week, what happened to "  - prepared and tested 62.0.2 update in a PPA, waiting for feedback from Chris before I upload to cosmic, and I will then proceed to prepare the updates for bionic, xenial and trusty"?
[09:29] <seb128> still waiting on chrisccoulson?
[09:51] <seb128> Laney, are the gstreamer point updates somewhat on your todo?
[09:51] <Laney> somewhere yes
[09:53] <seb128> good, thx
[09:57] <seb128> k, I'm almost done with IRC backlog from past week :)
[09:58] <seb128> didrocks, hey, I see Till mentioned vpn issue past week, which is resolved by a n-m-applet revert (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/network-manager-applet/issues/20) could you have a look at backporting the change in cosmic? (sorry that you got your name on that one from the update :p)
[09:58] <gitbot> GNOME issue 20 in network-manager-applet "Cannot import VPN configuration from standard ovpn files" [Closed]
[10:08] <oSoMoN> asking meld to diff two 70k lines build logs: not a good idea
[10:09] <seb128> hehe
[10:11] <seb128> you usually want to sed replace some of things in build log as well, like builddir, to simplify the diff
[10:18] <Laney> didrocks: ignore that, I started preparing on friday (for debian, then we'll can merge, you can handle that part if you want) (seb128)
[10:25] <Laney> bubblewrap needs promoting now plz
[10:28] <seb128> Laney, didrocks, having it through Debian is fine, but what I care about is having it in cosmic before we release, unsure if we plan to remerge n-m-applet at this point so please one of you get it by the way you prefer (merge/cherry pick/...)
[10:29] <Laney> yes seb
[10:29] <seb128> thx
[10:29] <Laney> I would have done the merge but since you pinged I offered it up
[10:29]  * Laney knows how this works
[10:29] <seb128> I'm sure Didier is happy to let you handle it :)
[10:29] <seb128> thx Laney
[10:30] <Laney> it's not hard to ask
[10:32] <seb128> Laney, blubblewrap is pulled it by gnome-desktop3 now right?
[10:32] <Laney> yes
[10:32] <seb128> yes, looks like it
[10:32] <Laney> see excuses
[10:32] <seb128> I got confused by the changelog summary
[10:32] <seb128> you kept the items in the "remaining changes" section
[10:32] <seb128> and then listed them as dropped bellow
[10:32] <seb128> now makes sense :)
[10:34] <seb128> bah
[10:35] <seb128> Laney, I did promote it but noticed after that the bug was not "fix commited"
[10:35] <seb128> I hope I don't get dok_oked over it :p
[10:36] <Laney> thx
[10:37] <Laney> I think we said at that meeting that we didn't have to go back to the mir team in this situation
[10:37] <Laney> but the status might have been wrong since the updates happened before that
[10:37]  * Laney shrugs, we'll see
[10:41] <seb128> jbicha, woff2 promoted as well while I was at doing those
[10:42]  * didrocks is happy to let Laney handling it, ofc :)
[10:42] <Laney> thx & morning
[10:48] <didrocks> morning Laney ;)
[10:51] <didrocks> willcooke: hey, have you seen https://github.com/ubuntu/yaru/issues/676#issuecomment-425258757? (got pinged because of the new uploads without those changes)
[10:51] <gitbot> ubuntu issue 676 in yaru "Ubiquity improvements" [Design, Discussion, Enhancement, Open]
[10:52] <willcooke> didrocks, what's the ask?  To re-do the sceenshots in the insatller?
[10:53] <didrocks> willcooke: "I had to change the folder structure a bit, but you can grab the images and CSS from there."
[10:53] <didrocks> from what I read
[10:53] <didrocks> I'm trying to convince him to do some launchpad bzr MP so that it's easiest for you to review
[10:53] <willcooke> didrocks, I still dont follow, what are they asking to be done?
[10:54] <willcooke> New CSS in the installer?
[10:54] <willcooke> Ohhh
[10:54] <willcooke> I thought that link was a picture, it's interactive
[10:54] <didrocks> yep
[10:55] <willcooke> Well, I can test it here, but feels a bit too risky for me now
[10:55] <didrocks> I'll let you answer on the MP
[10:55] <willcooke> 2 weeks before release, and maaaybe the installer will break
[10:55] <willcooke> ack
[10:55] <willcooke> on github right?
[10:55] <didrocks> trying to teach him launchpad, I'll let you know
[10:56] <willcooke> oki, well I can reply on the github issue if needed. But I won't just yet otherwise they won't try LP
[10:56] <willcooke> FTR - happy to merge these right at the start of next cycle, but IMO it's too late this cycle and too risky
[11:08] <didrocks> willcooke: here you go: https://code.launchpad.net/~madsrh/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/Yaru-CSS/+merge/355913
[11:10] <andyrock> Trevinho: do you mind cherry-picking https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/commit/7ea034c7190d2bd13a0b3ab863df0d6700a1732e and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/commit/11fb91f60f17f6013e40992563936ac0a98262cb in gnome 3.28 branch ?
[11:19] <Trevinho> andyrock: join gnome-shell, garnacho said there might be some fallout
[11:19] <Trevinho> so you might talk better than me there
[11:22] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[11:31] <GunnarHj> Hey Laney, can you please look at the FFe request at bug #1791367?
[11:32] <Laney> I try not to look at 100% of the desktop issues, so I'd prefer if you ask in #ubuntu-release initially please
[11:34] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok, will do.
[11:35] <Laney> thanks!
[11:53] <Nafallo> didrocks: it's loops where the backend file has been removed.
[11:54] <Nafallo> didrocks: so something didn't tore down the loop device before snap removed the file. I suppose I should talk to someone else now? :-)
[11:55] <didrocks> Nafallo: no, I would still check with Stéphane
[11:55] <didrocks> as the loop was created by lxd
[11:57] <Nafallo> didrocks: the snap loops are created by lxd?
[11:58] <Nafallo> bah. I had to reboot, and of course the issue disappeared...
[11:58] <didrocks> Nafallo: wait, you told the loop devices were the ones created by lxd?
[11:58] <didrocks> now, you think it's the one created by snapd?
[11:59] <Nafallo> didrocks: no, that it was the lxd snap loops...
[11:59] <didrocks> Nafallo: talk to Stéphane, really, to see if this is the one created by lxd itself or the snap
[11:59] <Nafallo> it's not related to lxd more than that being the snap that got refreshed...
[11:59] <didrocks> he would know better than a man in the middle :p
[12:00] <didrocks> if you are sure it's a snapd issue, please check #snappy
[12:00] <Nafallo> yeah. will do :-)
[12:04] <popey> willcooke: added a couple of handy links to your post :)
[12:04] <willcooke> popey, ah!!! Nice one, thank you.  I will copy that for next time
[12:08] <willcooke> I like seeing the posts on there already.  Good plan team
[12:31] <k_alam> Hi, which branch is for merge proposals in ubuntu-themes ? https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+git
[12:32] <k_alam> ubuntu/devel ?
[12:33] <didrocks> k_alam: you sure rather use this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes (lp:ubuntu-themes) as the target
[12:33] <didrocks> the others are some autogenerated by launchpad
[12:33] <didrocks> (if you are talking about the theme pre-cosmic)
[12:34] <k_alam> So , using bzr ?
[12:35] <didrocks> yes, it seems they are using bzr by default
[12:35] <didrocks> this is for ambiance/radiance
[12:36] <k_alam> Ah. Right. Thanks. :)
[12:37] <didrocks> yw ;)
[12:38] <Laney> just found a "This is a temporary workaround" patch in gnome-shell that is approaching its first birthday 🎂
[12:38] <Laney> guess that is young in the grand scheme 😉
[12:39] <didrocks> Laney: what was it? The extension one?
[12:40] <Laney> workaround_crasher_fractional_scaling.patch
[12:40] <didrocks> interesting
[13:36] <Trevinho> when someone has time.. https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+git/gnome-calculator/+merge/355919
[13:36] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, actually I think it's not either needed anymore with current theming, but not sure... andy did it, but I never have been able to reproduce it
[13:53] <Trevinho> sil2100: hey, could you check the discussion at https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+git/gnome-calculator/+merge/354330 and see if you're ok with that?
[14:35] <sil2100> Trevinho: let me take a look at it in a minute
[14:41] <seb128> Trevinho, Laney, does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1795230 ring any bell to you? (a bit difficult to know what's going on without debug info, I commented asking for details)
[14:43] <Laney> not really
[14:44] <seb128> k, thx anyway
[14:44] <Laney> a better bt would help for sureu
[14:44] <Laney> -u
[14:45] <seb128> right
[14:48] <k_alam> Hi, I have couple of merge proposals, please review
[14:48] <k_alam> 1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1773045
[14:48] <k_alam> 2. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+bug/1795145
[14:48] <k_alam> 3. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/1795412
[14:49] <k_alam> 4. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/1708375
[14:49] <k_alam> 5. FTBFS: indicator-sound: https://code.launchpad.net/~khurshid-alam/indicator-sound/gicon-fix
[14:49] <k_alam> It only fixes the regression in glib, but not other errors, Trevinho please take a look...
[14:49] <k_alam> 6. [FFE] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1741027
[14:49] <k_alam> not really ffe, because ui for sharing panel has been landed in bionic. but anyway...
[14:50] <seb128> k_alam, hey, I'm not sure that spamming the channel this way is the best way to get your review
[14:50] <seb128> reviews
[14:50] <seb128> try maybe emailing the ubuntu-desktop@ list? Also we stopped maintaining the unity component so maybe you should land those without seaking for us to approve first
[14:51] <jbicha> seb128: do we still use that email list? we talked about just using the Community site
[14:53] <seb128> jbicha, you unsubscribe I guess :p
[14:53] <seb128> the git merge request emails go there and I approve them daily
[14:53] <k_alam> seb128: sorry about that, but nobody reviews them and I was asked to ping on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:53] <seb128> so we sort of use it for workflow (automated) messages
[14:53] <seb128> not for discussion
[14:54] <seb128> unsubscribed*
[14:54] <didrocks> especially spamming the channel for already merged MP
[14:54] <jbicha> k_alam: maybe you could ask bigon to review the telepathy-mission-control change for Debian (and the minimal Ubuntu diff)
[14:54] <didrocks> (like the ubuntu-themes one)
[14:55] <jbicha> I guess I'll take the ubuntu-settings one
[14:56] <seb128> thx
[14:56] <k_alam> didrocks: I see it merged...Thanks
[14:56] <didrocks> yeah, and please assign the team rather than individuals
[14:57] <didrocks> like themes was for me, ubuntu-settings seems to be directly assigned to (?reasons?) Laney
[14:57] <didrocks> k_alam: jbicha: please don't turn the background plugin for all in ubuntu
[14:57] <didrocks> only do it in the unity session
[14:57] <didrocks> we don't need/want that in all session inheriting "ubuntu"
[14:59] <jbicha> ok
[14:59] <k_alam> didrocks: So it stays as turned off for Ubuntu, or should I remove it , as g-s-d doesn't use that any more
[14:59] <jbicha> how do you guys handle accepting git merge proposals?
[15:00] <seb128> you mean?
[15:00] <seb128> launchpad has an UI similar to the one it has for bzr ones
[15:00] <didrocks> k_alam: keep it off, I didn't look at g-s-d code to ensure it's not used anywhere or that there is no side-effect in other pieces
[15:00] <jbicha> yeah, GNOME itself doesn't use the active keys in g-s-d any more, we just kept those because unity-settings-daemon hadn't adapted to that yet
[15:00] <seb128> you can change the status and it auto mark as merged if you merge/push
[15:00] <didrocks> k_alam: so, better to only turn it on back in unity for cosmic
[15:01] <k_alam> didrocks: All right.
[15:01] <k_alam> jbicha: Can  I ask xnox about mission-control ?
[15:01]  * didrocks would prefer this kind of "cleaning" at the start of the cycle than after FF, maybe just trying to be too conservative… :)
[15:01] <jbicha> k_alam: bigon is sort of the Debian maintainer :)
[15:08] <seb128> k_alam, I pinged j_dstrand on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-mission-control-5/+bug/1708375 and he suggested changes
[15:09] <didrocks> jbicha: have you merged ubuntu-settings?
[15:10] <jbicha> yes
[15:10] <didrocks> ah, it seems you changed in the commit itself directly
[15:10] <didrocks> ok, was expecting k_alam to do it or a message in the MP :)
[15:11] <jbicha> I figured it wasn't worth the back-and-forth since we already discussed it here
[15:11] <didrocks> yeah, you could have move with all others "Unity" properties though
[15:11] <didrocks> as I tried to organize the file for readibility…
[15:11] <k_alam> seb128: Yes,  I am updating the patch. Thanks.
[15:12] <didrocks> jbicha: also, the default in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.gschema.xml is true, no?
[15:12] <didrocks> so basically, the override is wrong
[15:12] <didrocks> you need to set it "false" for :ubuntu and reset it true to :Unity
[15:13] <didrocks> jbicha: want me to fix it?
[15:13] <jbicha> just a moment
[15:14] <jbicha> the default is whatever we want it to be since those keys are part of g-s-d's revert-gsettings-removals.patch
[15:15] <didrocks> as you wish, one way or the other, just ensure that default for ubuntu session is false
[15:15] <didrocks> which isn't the case with your last commit
[15:15] <didrocks> I don't have opinion, if g-s-d will have an upload with default set to false, that's fine by me
[15:15] <jbicha> I mean I'm confident that g-s-d doesn't pay any attention to that key
[15:16] <didrocks> not related to the discussion, we decided to go on the safe path for this cycle, and ensure the key is false
[15:17] <jbicha> ok
[15:17] <didrocks> thx
[15:23] <jbicha> grr, oops
[16:23] <xnox> willcooke, the new desktop theme is way too consistent
[16:23] <andyrock> what is gnome-get-source.mk useful fore?
[16:23] <andyrock> *for
[16:24] <xnox> it is nice, but i am taste-less person and would rather just smear orange all over the place, and then complain about orange smeared all over the place
[16:30] <jbicha> andyrock: we're eventually getting rid of it in favor of just using uscan with debian/watch
[16:31] <andyrock> jbicha: that's to say that if I find a package that still uses it I can remove it?
[16:31] <jbicha> as long as the package still builds
[16:32] <andyrock> kk thanks
[16:33] <jbicha> evolution currently uses a variable set in that file, but most packages don't
[16:35] <jbicha> one reason we had it was to fulfil the get-orig-source requirement but that was dropped in Debian Policy 4.1.4
[16:52] <andyrock> thanks for the info!
[17:44] <willcooke> gnight all


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