[02:13]  * guiverc is going to copy/paste into uwn 819 quickly NOW (in hurry)
[02:13] <Bashing-om> guiverc: A  bit at the time :P
[02:14]  * guiverc out & away 30+ mins
[02:29]  * guiverc going in again (my depatured was postponed)
[02:32] <guiverc> I'm out, two more summaries added; 2nd maybe needs adjusting as per comment  (change focus of writing... to 'please come test')
[02:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I do tweaking in tomorrow's wrap-up :D
[06:11]  * guiverc will edit uwn819 & paste some more in a few mins
[06:19]  * guiverc out
[11:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Thanks for Attending the Ubuntu Summit 2023 @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQleDSv5jV4
[21:15] <Bashing-om> guiverc: 819 clear for doing the Saturday wrap-ups ? Nothing new found to add.
[21:24] <Bashing-om> UWN: Going into 819 - rope around my waise if I get to deep :P
[23:13] <guiverc> sorry Bashing-om ; didn't hear the ping..   i'll respond always IF its a problem though
[23:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: Enlightenment Desktop Sees New Stable Release @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/12/enlightenment-0-26-desktop-released


[20:21] <DeviceZer0> hello all. Im thinking of updating my mythtv 0.23 install to 0.24 on my 10.04 system...is there any known issues i should be aware about?
[20:21] <DeviceZer0> any tips suggestions?
[20:22] <DeviceZer0> Im familiar with updating mythtv...but im not sure if the mythbuntu stuff does anything non standard i should know about
[22:13] <tgm4883> DeviceZer0, nothing I can think of
[22:22] <DeviceZer0> tgm4883, ok cool...i just started the update now
[22:22] <DeviceZer0> so far so good


[00:15] <Ex777> skype and teamspeak playback static instead of sound, web browser and other programs playback sound fine why does voip software not seem to work correctly for me
[00:33] <Avihay> it may be that one set uses alsa while the other uses pulse. there might be some config options to select the working sound system in the programs that doesn't. there are wrapper scripts that let you load alsa using programs with pulse and the other way around, I think. you may want to try them
[00:38] <Avihay> I was thinking bout something like alsa-oss but I can't find it
[00:39] <BluesKaj> most onboard soundcards can be used fully including flash webaudio without pulseaudio , most pci soundcards require pulse audio to link to alsa for webaudio
[01:02] <faglnar> Avihay: edwardw from #videolan got it. its this: http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/6641
[01:03] <faglnar> its 3 am already *zzzzzz*
[03:35] <ignerious> why telepathy does not show "contacts come online/offline " notification?
[03:35] <ignerious> i mean KDE_telepathy
[03:35] <ignerious> why telepathy does not show "contacts come online/offline " notification?
[03:35] <ignerious> why telepathy does not show "contacts come online/offline " notification?
[03:35] <ignerious> why telepathy does not show "contacts come online/offline " notification?
[03:36] <FloodBotK1> ignerious: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:36] <ignerious> ???
[03:39] <genii-around> ignerious: FloodBotK1 can't really help you, they are a bot. If no one replies to your question right away, just ask it again after a reasonable amount of time ( like 5-10 minutes )
[03:39] <ignerious> ok
[03:40] <ignerious> why telepathy does not show "contacts come online/offline " notification?
[03:43] <genii-around> ignerious: You might also want to try http://www.kubuntuforums.net/content.php
[04:21] <gulzar> Please help. How to have only icons in KDE-taskbar (without text)? Similar to pclos-kde or much better.
[04:25] <gulzar> anyone?
[04:28] <gulzar> ?
[04:47] <naught101> has anyone else noticed kdialogues and dolphin being incredibly slow and/or hanging lately?
[04:52] <gulzar> Please help. How to have only icons in KDE-taskbar (without text)?
[05:00] <christopher> The multisystem script isn't working, it worked on UBUNTU. That's how I was able to instlal Kubuntu...I'm googling but I can't find anything...this is retarded
[05:02] <christopher> "2: install-depot-multisystem.sh: Syntax error: redirection unexpected" http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/ I got it straight from here last time with no problems. I have no clue how to trouble shoot this..Any ideas?
[06:15] <tebu> hi
[06:15] <tebu> I am facing booting problem
[06:15] <tebu> By default it get stuck in to starting bluetooth deamon
[06:16] <tebu> after a long time I get GUI Login screen,
[06:16] <tebu> but no mouse access
[06:16] <tebu> I need to reboot and need to select previous version
[06:16] <tebu> kindly help to fix the same
[06:21] <genii-around> tebu: FloodBotK2 is a bot, they cannot assist. Right now this channel is quiet, many of the helpers are not in your local timezone. Perhaps to try again later, or try searching the Kubuntu forums.
[07:40] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:49] <Yoser> good morning
[10:19] <danielo> hey
[10:19] <danielo> Guys
[10:19] <danielo> after updating nvidia driver I can resume my laptop
[10:20] <danielo> its quite sad
[10:27] <lordievader> danielo: Do you get a promt or just a black screen?
[10:27] <danielo> no promt only black screen :(
[10:27] <danielo> I have updated from here
[10:27] <danielo> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates
[10:29] <lordievader> danielo: How did you install the nVidia driver?
[10:30] <danielo> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[10:30] <danielo> sudo apt-get update
[10:30] <danielo> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[10:33] <lordievader> danielo: I see, why didn't you use the jockey? Anyhow I reccommend uninstalling those packages and then installing the driver through the jockey.
[10:34] <ikonia> ahhh PPA
[10:34] <ikonia> bye bye
[10:34] <lordievader> ikonia: ?
[10:35] <ikonia> lordievader: the x-swap PPA
[10:36] <lordievader> ikonia: Is there something wrong with it? Never heard of it myself.
[10:36] <lordievader> danielo: Do you know how to boot into rescue mode?
[10:36] <ikonia> lordievader: I just find it poor and lacking testing
[10:40] <danielo> i think I know
[10:40] <danielo> what do you mean by jockey?
[10:41] <danielo> I've installed it by this ppa cause there wasnt any other in system actualizator:P
[10:41] <lordievader> danielo: Jockey is a gui made to install non-open-source drivers, like the nVidia driver.
[10:41] <danielo> yea I know
[10:42] <danielo> but there wanst that version of driver :P
[10:43] <lordievader> What version, danielo
[10:43] <danielo> I've contacted with ppa contributors and they told me that there is already bug commit in this ppa
[10:43] <danielo> 302.17
[10:43] <danielo> Linux-x86_64
[10:44] <lordievader> danielo: And why do you need to ahve that version of the driver? You want support for some new things or something?
[10:46] <danielo> the newest version give support form reall time changing display
[10:46] <danielo> until that driver anytime I've connected my tv I had black and white colour
[10:46] <danielo> I had to detect displays then logout
[10:46] <lordievader> danielo: Are those drivers available on the nVidia website?
[10:47] <danielo> restart x and ther log in back
[10:47] <danielo> yea
[10:47] <danielo> there is a binary version to
[10:47] <lordievader> danielo: Then do a manual install of the driver.
[10:48] <danielo> a binary version
[10:48] <lordievader> danielo: Read this for the how to: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/295.59/README/index.html
[10:49] <danielo> thanks
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:58] <gem_> hi all
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hi gem_
[13:26] <danielo> Hey guys
[13:26] <danielo> I would like to ask You about Your opinion about nouveau drivers
[13:26] <danielo> how they work?
[13:27] <danielo> what are the diference between them and properity drivers from nvici
[13:27] <danielo> nvidia*
[13:28] <asier> hola, se puede forzar a kwin a que ponga los efectos que yo quiera por una sesión (P.D.: uso Kubuntu 12.04)
[13:29] <asier> hello, you can force kwin to put the effects I want for one session (PS: use Kubuntu 12.04)
[13:34] <asier> nobody?
[13:50] <L3top> !es | asier
[15:59] <Harmonium> Hello. Anyone knows how can I change the button used to move a window (currently Alt+drag) in KDE? I can't find the option in the system settings.
[16:01] <mydognameisrudy> left mouse button?
[16:02] <BluesKaj> Harmonium, you do't need alt to drag awindow just click hold & drag
[16:03] <Harmonium> No, you can drag a window from anywhere, not just the title bar, if you hold Alt and left click, but I want to change the key to Meta.
[16:03] <Harmonium> Under Gnome2 there was a "Window" setting under preferences. I don't know where it is on KDE.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> titlebar and toolbar are available for dragging ...seems enough to me :)
[16:07] <Harmonium> BluesKaj: Well, not to me. I mean, I wouldn't come here asking for help and be happy to know someone else doesn't need that function.
[16:07] <Harmonium> Should I try the main KDE channel?
[16:07] <mydognameisrudy> i would if i were you.
[16:08] <Sentynel> Harmonium: system settings > window behaviour > window behaviour > window actions > modifier key
[16:09] <Harmonium> Sentynel: There it is! Fantastic! Thanks a lot. :D
[16:22] <BluesKaj> heh, I don't have a meta key on this KB , Harmonium , that's why I didn't fully understand your question, didn't mean to be flippant
[16:23] <mydognameisrudy> not sure what that will do ? guess i have no use for it at this  point
[16:24] <BluesKaj> this kb is wireless , obviously doesn't have all functions for some reason
[16:24] <mydognameisrudy> what is the alt key doing ?
[16:25] <Joit> its mainly like an other level, like alternative
[16:25] <mydognameisrudy> to drag a window?
[16:25] <Joit> err, forget that :D
[16:26] <mydognameisrudy> oh you can drag it at any point inside the window
[16:26] <mydognameisrudy> ah i c
[16:26] <mydognameisrudy> ;)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> yeah , butr why a meta key , does that save a step of some kind
[16:27] <mydognameisrudy> not to me alt key is closer to touch pad
[16:28] <mydognameisrudy> leason #1 learned something new today ;)
[16:29] <BluesKaj> not me , I'm still confused about what a meta is and what it does :)
[16:30] <mydognameisrudy> well mine is set to the alt key and you can hit alt+drag at any  place in the window and move it
[16:30] <mydognameisrudy> if you hit the left mouse key to drag it will click a button or action instead
[16:32] <Harmonium> I need it to be Meta because I use that function and I use Photoshop and Alt+click does something I need, but if it's both set to Alt, then I'll move PS instead of performing the action I want.
[16:33] <mydognameisrudy> Harmonium:  thanks i learned something new ;)
[16:36] <Harmonium> No problem. I find it more useful if it's Meta, since that key will not interfere with many programs.
[16:40] <Pingator> hi does someone here know about the source code of kmix? i want to find the place, where the increment of volume on hotkey press is defined
[16:45] <Miguelito> Hello - having some issues with them manager and was wondering if someone could help
[16:45] <Pingator> Miguelito: theme manager?
[16:46] <Miguelito> yea - its called Desktop Theme - just see it as the tool to change your Desktop Theme
[16:48] <dnivra> hello. I running Kubuntu 12.04 on a sony vaoi vgnfw260j. My left button on my touchpad has stopped working-the right button works fine. Could someone tell me how can i make the left touchpad button work?
[16:49] <Miguelito> just getting back into Linux and Ubuntu was highly recommended and last night I upgraded to kubuntu
[16:51] <Pingator> Miguelito: what are the issues?
[16:51] <Miguelito> i select the new theme and apply but the change is not taking effect
[16:53] <Pingator> workspace theme is just changing widget borders and background maybe they look similar
[16:53] <Pingator> window decoration is yeah window decoration
[16:53] <Pingator> and there is also an application design for changing the colors of greyspace and text
[16:54] <Miguelito> no I downloaded some themes that look way different than the default
[16:54] <Pingator> give me the name of the theme, i just have a vanilla kubuntu 12.04 here
[16:55] <Miguelito> one sec'
[16:56] <Miguelito> Slim Glow is the one I tried changing to at the moment
[16:56] <Pingator> in which category?
[16:57] <hoijui> i want to install kubuntu on a machine, preserving its partitioning layout and the data on /home
[16:57] <hoijui> the system uses RAID1 and LVM
[16:57] <Pingator> Miguelito: readme says you neednt download it, its in the repositories in a kdeartwork package
[16:57] <hoijui> the kubuntu instaler does not seem to support RAID (and i guess neither LVM)
[16:58] <hoijui> is that correct?
[16:58] <Pingator> hoijui: try the alternate cd, that installer has advanced settings
[16:58] <hoijui> thanks Pingator! :-)
[16:59] <Pingator> hoijui: the livecd installer is for some reason kept very simple and straight
[16:59] <Miguelito> Pingator, I just clicked install through Desktop Theme and applied it. I dont see a category
[16:59] <Pingator> i mean in which kde settings module
[17:00] <Pingator> they are 2 main modules with each shaving submodules
[17:00] <Pingator> lol shaving
[17:00] <hoijui> man.... now even the dudes on the internet shave their "sub modules" ?
[17:01] <hoijui> wheres this worl going wiht all that metrosexuality
[17:01] <Pingator> Miguelito: um uninstall the theme from the settings and apt-get install kdeartwork*
[17:02] <Pingator> it should be in there
[17:02] <Pingator> hoijui: shaven submodules are less likely to itch
[17:03] <dnivra> hello. I running Kubuntu 12.04 on a sony vaoi vgnfw260j. My left button on my touchpad has stopped working-the right button works fine. Could someone tell me how can i make the left touchpad button work?
[17:03] <hoijui> :/ maaaaan you really doin it!!
[17:03] <hoijui> to my knowledge, you would have to shave them very often for this to hold true though..
[17:03] <Pingator> lol
[17:03] <hoijui> i.. heard
[17:04] <Pingator> yes actually it would be far more convenient if you could just control hair growth at will
[17:05] <hoijui> yeahhhh
[17:06] <Pingator> dnivra: i had a sony vaio, is the button physically working?
[17:07] <dnivra> um could you tell me what you mean by physically working?
[17:08] <dnivra> i can tap it and it's going down but the click response doesn't happen. i can't click command buttons(Ok, cancel etc) or even click and select text.
[17:08] <Pingator> dnivra: like not being stuck such
[17:08] <dnivra> left button worked fine till yesterday. now it doesn't.
[17:09] <dnivra> maybe I could get some info from the logs that could help? I didn't find any in the syslog-are synaptik events logged somewhere else?
[17:09] <Pingator> dnivra: there is a terminal app for checking the raw output from hardware keys but i cant remember the name
[17:09] <dnivra> dmesg?
[17:10] <Pingator> no dmesg doesnt show key events
[17:10] <dnivra> ah got it. xev.
[17:11] <Pingator> yes
[17:11] <dnivra> i ran xev and it detects motion and right button down but not left click.
[17:12] <Pingator> was there any update in between which could have tampered with the touchpad?
[17:12] <Pingator> if not its likely a mechanical problem
[17:13] <dnivra> let me check the history of updates.
[17:15] <dnivra> i just check and found that xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse and xserver-xorg-input-evdev today. Guess that's what caused the problem Pingator?
[17:17] <Pingator> vmmouse ist just for virtual machines
[17:18] <Pingator> when was the update?
[17:18] <dnivra> ah okay. what about the other one? input-evdev?
[17:18] <Miguelito> Pingator, I have that innnstalled - how do you access that
[17:19] <Pingator> might be *googling for packet description*
[17:19] <dnivra> Pingator: about 3:30AM UTC.
[17:20] <Pingator> yes evdev is a thing which autoconfigures support for mice and their extrakeys and scrollwheels, so likely for touchpads too
[17:21] <Pingator> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW
[17:21] <Pingator> look there if your bug is already posted
[17:25] <Pingator> i dont think its posted
[17:26] <Pingator> dnivra: can you read german? would be convenient because there is an awesome ubuntuwiki in german
[17:26] <dnivra> sure! i'll try making sense using google translate
[17:27] <Pingator> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/evdev i think its faster when we both search
[17:31] <dnivra> Pingator: sure. I'm on it now.
[17:33] <Pingator> does the translator work well? long time since i used it. i dont use it often as i can read german english and spanish. i recently tried to use it for reading japanese pages but it was really bad
[17:34] <dnivra> makes some sense to me. think I could manage with it.
[17:34] <hoijui> using the alternate install image... i loaded it onto a USB stick using unetbootin, but ...
[17:35] <hoijui> one of the steps of the install process is, checking and loading installer stuff from the CD
[17:35] <hoijui> and.. that faisl cuase i am not using a CD but a USB stick, i guess
[17:36] <hoijui> kind of strange though.. that would mean nobody on a netbook could use an alternate installer
[17:36] <hoijui> could i use the ubuntu installer and later convert ubuntu to kubuntu?
[17:37] <Pingator> i actually used it on a netbook
[17:37] <hoijui> mmm
[17:38] <Pingator> there is one option for loading components from the image and one for downloading from the net
[17:38] <Pingator> any message why it fails?
[17:38] <hoijui> the install step is called: "Detect and mount CD-ROM"
[17:38] <hoijui> hmm...
[17:38] <hoijui> i dont see that option..
[17:39] <hoijui> no message, no
[17:39] <exaIns^> hoijui: are you also having problems with the alternate installer not mounting the cd? :)
[17:39] <Pingator> no it just worked
[17:39] <hoijui> exaIns^, yes
[17:39] <Pingator> did you partition the usb stick somehow before using unetbootin?
[17:39] <exaIns^> Interesting, I'm here for pretty much the same reason.
[17:39] <hoijui> i dont have a CD though, am booting from an USB stick
[17:40] <exaIns^> same here
[17:40] <hoijui> yes, i formatted with ext4
[17:40] <Pingator> could be the problem
[17:40] <hoijui> then i put the normal kubuntu isntaller on it, and then the alternate one
[17:40] <exaIns^> I formatted mine with FAT32. Didn't help.
[17:41] <Pingator> the ubuntu usb stick creator does format it to fat32 and then copies the image and makes it a fake cd
[17:41] <exaIns^> hoijui: Does your normal installation also freeze when you're just about to partition the drive?
[17:41] <hoijui> exaIns^, did you also put the normal installer on the stick first?
[17:41] <exaIns^> yes, but formatted it beore putting the alternate on.
[17:41] <hoijui> exaIns^, no, i never tried to go that far, as i need raid nad lvm support, which hte nromal installer does not have
[17:41] <hoijui> Pingator, no
[17:41] <exaIns^> oh, I'm just using the alternate because the normal installer freezes.
[17:42] <hoijui> unetbootin does not format the stick at all
[17:42] <Pingator> try just formatting it with one fat partition and then copy the image with usb-creator-kde
[17:42] <Pingator> use disk utility (apt-get install palimpsest) its imo the best partitioner available, the same like on macs
[17:43] <exaIns^> What if you're a dirty windows user?
[17:43] <hoijui> Pingator, also.. the install menu main screen reads: "Ubuntu installer main menu"
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> use unetbootin ?
[17:43] <TheLordOfTime> sorry wrong channel
[17:44] <hoijui> Pingator, but... this smells fishy...
[17:44] <Pingator> then wait in the image could be an exe version of the usb creator, can you mount the iso in windows?
[17:44] <hoijui> if the alternate install only works when using a special way of setting up the usb stick...
[17:45] <hoijui> as in.. oyu already need kubunut to install kubuntu..
[17:45] <hoijui> or at least follow a list of special steps
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> actually
[17:45] <Pingator> unetbootin often messes up isos for me
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> afaict all the installers for all ubuntu derivs are that way
[17:45] <TheLordOfTime> if yo ucant use a usb use a cd/dvd
[17:46] <Pingator> they cant because netbook
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> if that doesnt work, try unetbootin
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> (for your USB)
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> if *that* doesn't work, well...
[17:46] <Pingator> they used unetbootin
[17:46] <hoijui> TheLordOfTime, i am using unetbootin ;-)
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> did they hash-sum the ISO
[17:46] <TheLordOfTime> make sure the download was complete?
[17:46] <exaIns^> TheLordOfTime: I have the same problem, so I doubt it's got to do with that.
[17:47] <hoijui> we both having an fialed iso download .. with the fail in the smae place..
[17:47] <hoijui> not likely
[17:47] <Pingator> its very easy for a download to be unfinished even with just a few bytes
[17:47] <hoijui> and again my question..
[17:47] <hoijui> can i install ubnutu and later switch to kubuntu?
[17:47] <exaIns^> I've tried several different versions and downloaded several times :)
[17:48] <Pingator> yes you can install the metapackage kubuntu-desktop to add kde as desktop
[17:48] <TheLordOfTime> ^
[17:48] <hoijui> ok.. thanks :-)
[17:48] <hoijui> i guess i also need the ubuntu alternative image for RADI and LVM support?
[17:49] <Pingator> yes
[17:49] <Pingator> but
[17:49] <Pingator> i have another idea for you
[17:50] <Pingator> partition the usbstick new, no format, then do dd if=/path/to/your/image.iso of=/your/usb/device
[17:51] <Pingator> but wait which of you does have a linux distro ready? or both not?
[17:53] <Pingator> because unfortunately i dont have a windows ready to check XD
[17:55] <hoijui> i do
[17:55] <hoijui> ok thanks.. i will try that
[18:00] <faglnar> i am Pingator
[18:00] <faglnar> just switched computer Pingator is not regisered
[18:01] <hoijui> faglnar, did you also use the alternative image when installign on the netbook?
[18:01] <faglnar> yes
[18:01] <hoijui> ok
[18:01] <faglnar> i used usb-creator-kde to put the image on
[18:02] <hoijui> i dont have to do anything t make the stik bootable?
[18:02] <hoijui> ok
[18:02] <faglnar> no
[18:03] <faglnar> dd if of does work only as root and make SURE its the right device and it doesnt overwrite anything valuable
[18:05] <dnivra> faglnar: the german wiki to me to a page that asks me to add entries to xorg.conf. I did add entries for the mouse section but still doesn't work on logout/login-the left button doesn't work.
[18:06] <faglnar> the xorg conf isnt used by default
[18:06] <faglnar> wait
[18:07] <faglnar> brbr cat destroys house
[18:13] <hoijui> ok, now testing with the dd'ed version
[18:13] <hoijui> nope, does nto boot from that
[18:14] <hoijui> the download is correct
[18:14] <hoijui> did an md5sum check
[18:16] <faglnar> then i told you wrong then just put a new partition table on the stick and change the output of dd to /dev/sdx1
[18:17] <faglnar> or it just doesnt work to dd the alternate disk, in that case id try usb-creator-kde again
[18:18] <faglnar> cat regained temporary sanity
[18:28] <faglnar> dnivra: sudo Xorg -configure creates the initial configuration file
[18:29] <dnivra> oh okay! and I have to just add the mouse related entry once the initial conf file is created right?
[18:31] <dnivra> faglnar: i tried the command but it says X server is already running. is that normal-I've to poweroff X server to create the conf file?
[18:34] <dnivra> is there someway perhaps i could rollback to the version before the update to check if it works?
[18:35] <BluesKaj> dnivra, yes , drop to a TTY , then sudo service kdm stop , sudo xorg-configure, then sudo service kdm start
[18:35] <BluesKaj> dnivra, that's not a roll back
[18:35] <dnivra> BluesKaj: yeah got it :).
[18:36] <BluesKaj> to drop to the TTY , do ctl+alt+f1
[18:42] <faglnar> a roll back, maybe if the old version is still in the repo you could specify the version number on install if you know it
[18:42] <dnivra> faglnar: i ran the command you gave me but it exited with return code 2-http://pastebin.com/cKqrzxPG
[18:44] <faglnar> dnivra: did you run it as root?
[18:44] <dnivra> faglnar: yes.
[18:45] <faglnar> try it while x is down like BluesKaj said with kdm stop
[18:46] <dnivra> I followed BluesKaj's instructions properly.
[18:46] <dnivra> i did poweroff kdm just like what he said and restarted it after the Xorg -configure command exited with code 2.
[18:54] <faglnar> hm any more details from it?
[18:55] <dnivra> the paste i all that I have: 2-http://pastebin.com/cKqrzxPG
[18:55] <dnivra> oops typo: http://pastebin.com/cKqrzxPG
[18:55] <lordievader> Good evening
[18:57] <L3top> evening
[18:57] <faglnar> use the command again with -verbose
[18:58] <faglnar> "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices." wtf
[18:58] <faglnar> evening
[18:59] <BluesKaj> 'afternoon , lordievader ")
[19:00] <lordievader> Hey L3top, BluesKaj, how are the both of you?
[19:00] <dnivra> faglnar: yeah that's what puzzled me too. Here's the verbose output - http://pastebin.com/Pm5FETPL
[19:00] <L3top> just hacking away at lmce... how are you?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> fine thanks , lordievader  and you ?
[19:01] <lordievader> I'm doing well. Rested quite a bit.
[19:02] <lordievader> Fiddeling a bit with the pulse audio config.
[19:05] <faglnar> dnivra: i dont quite get it
[19:06] <dnivra> oh! well here's something which crossed my mind-does it have something to do with the fact that keyboard and mouse is disabled?
[19:07] <dnivra> maybe in the enabling process, left button wouldn't work?
[19:08] <faglnar> try stopping kdm and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[19:09] <pietro10> Hi. I installed from a LiveUSB to an external hard drive. My laptop is telling me the external hard drive is not bootable, even though the installer told me it would put a bootloader on the right drive. gparted is telling me the ext4 partition is marked as bootable. What else can I do? Thanks.
[19:13] <dnivra> faglnar: just did that. i even reconfigured xserver-xorg-input-synaptiks and xserver-xorg-input-mouse. but no luck still :/
[19:13] <BluesKaj> pietro10, have you run sudo Updte-grub since the install ?
[19:13] <faglnar> dnivra: rebooted?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> err sudo update-grub
[19:14] <dnivra> oh! restarting kdm isn't sufficient?
[19:14] <dnivra> well anyway to be on the safe side, i shall restart and come here.
[19:14] <faglnar> dnivra: thats the most frequent thing i forget
[19:15] <pietro10> BluesKaj: no, but I'll try that now
[19:15] <pietro10> since I need t oinstall to an external drive to recover my main HDD, is there a special command line tha tI should use?
[19:18] <BluesKaj> pietro10, why are you installing an OS to the external drive ?
[19:19] <pietro10> so I can have something to boot off and use
[19:19] <lordievader> pietro10: If you need to recover files why not use a live-cd and then copy the files to the external?
[19:20] <pietro10> after I do make an image of the internal disc, so I can still hav esomething to use until I can get my computer's case repaired, since I have a feeling it's something loose that's causing the HDD to go bad
[19:20] <BluesKaj> pietro10, you can recover grub with the live-cd
[19:21] <pietro10> yeah that's wha tI'm about to do
[19:21] <BluesKaj> then you don't need to install an OS to your external drive
[19:21] <dnivra> faglnar: ah okay. well I've rebooted and issue still exists. i even booted up an older kernel <IP_ADDRESS> and it still doesn't work.
[19:25] <faglnar> dnivra: can you rearrange the touchpad button assignment in the control panel?
[19:25] <faglnar> i dont see it because i dont have a touchpad
[19:27] <dnivra> oh! That's okay I'll describe the panel. which do I assign a new value to? in touchpad config, there're 4 options: hardware, cursor motion, scorlling and tapping.
[19:29] <pietro10> ok it appears my drive is on /dev/sda
[19:29] <pietro10> what is the proper update-grub command to fix GRUB? sudo update-grub and sudo uptdate-grub /dev/sda give me errors about / not being found (is /dev unmounted) or something like that
[19:31] <lordievader> pietro10: Read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[19:31] <pietro10> thanks
[19:37] <dnivra> faglnar: i'm leaving now-it's 1am here and I should get some sleep. If you do come across something, please PM me-i'll check it when I return. Thanks a lot for your help!
[19:37] <dnivra> BluesKaj:  you too-thanks a lot!
[19:37] <dnivra> i'll drop by later on then. catch you all then hopefully!
[19:37] <faglnar> dnivra: yes will do, dont expect it today even if its early 22 i will sleep too
[20:01] <hoijui> faglnar, i though i found the solution... in the boot menu of the alternative install image, i chose "Expert Install"
[20:01] <hoijui> but then it would only install from network
[20:02] <hoijui> to call it expert install makes little sense, if it just changes the install medium from cd to network
[20:02] <hoijui> it should be called network install then
[20:02] <hoijui> .. network does not work on that machine ;-)
[20:02] <faglnar> i actually used expert install from cd
[20:03] <faglnar> expert normally gives more options like installing ssh server or similar
[20:04] <hoijui> i dont see an option like that
[20:04] <hoijui> wow.. the bootmenu is a mess! :D
[20:04] <hoijui> it has more then 20 entries
[20:04] <pietro10> Ok, after running Boot-Repair, the hard disk is still being rpoerted as non-bootable
[20:04] <pietro10> ?
[20:04] <hoijui> and many of them have very similar names
[20:05] <hoijui> for example:
[20:05] <hoijui> expert
[20:05] <hoijui> Expert Install
[20:05] <hoijui> Install in expert mode
[20:05] <hoijui> and others are similar too
[20:05] <faglnar> thats the fault of unetbootin and the reason i dont recommend using it for (k)ubuntu
[20:05] <hoijui> ah.. its from unetbootin
[20:06] <hoijui> mm
[20:06] <faglnar> did you try the ubuntu usb creator?
[20:06] <hoijui> i would need kde for that?
[20:07] <pietro10> "No boot sector on USB device."
[20:07] <hoijui> ahhh
[20:07] <hoijui> ok.. i will try that one now
[20:07] <faglnar> there is a kde and a gtk verison
[20:08] <faglnar> and its always preinstalled un u and ku buntu
[20:08] <faglnar> usb-creator-gtk and usb-creator-kde are the binaries
[20:27] <hoijui> faglnar, indeed... now it does not fail anmore to find the cd
[20:27] <hoijui> thanks :-)
[20:28] <faglnar> np and yay
[20:29] <hoijui> :-)
[20:36] <pietro10_> !compiz
[20:36] <pietro10_> ?
[20:36] <pietro10_> ok that's generic ubuntu instructions
[20:37] <lordievader> pietro10_: Kwin is to kde, what compiz is to gnome.
[20:37] <pietro10_> I need a specific feature of compiz: Enhanced Zoom Desktop
[20:37] <pietro10_> it's the only adequate zooming facility I see on Linux
[20:39] <lordievader> pietro10_: There are several zoom things available within kde, have you checked the Desktop Effects section in System Settings?
[20:42] <pietro10_> ah yes, that works nicely
[20:42] <pietro10_> thanks
[21:11] <microIns> After many tries and a broken windows installation I'm installing kubuntu 64 bit in advanced mode because nothing else has worked so far. Which kernel should I use?
[21:16] <linuxshine> whats new in kubuntu 12.10?
[21:21] <faglnar> not much i think. its mostly 12.04 with i think a newer small version of the kernel and a bunch of updates
[21:21] <microIns> After many tries and a broken windows installation I'm installing kubuntu 64 bit in advanced mode because nothing else has worked so far. Which kernel should I use?
[21:21] <faglnar> yoiuhave to choose between 3?
[21:22] <microIns> Like 20
[21:22] <pietro10_> on the GRUB menu?
[21:22] <faglnar> tell me which
[21:22] <faglnar> ne the installer
[21:22] <microIns> I'll send you a pic, one sec
[21:22] <faglnar> k
[21:23] <microIns> Typing this on my phone so I'm keeping it as short as possible :)
[21:24] <microIns> http://www.imgur.com/5WSFx.jpg
[21:27] <pietro10_> apparently linux-image-3.2.0-25-generic
[21:28] <microIns> Thank you!
[21:33] <microIns> Installed. When I boot I come to tty1.
[21:33] <pietro10_> you probably did not install X properly
[21:33] <pietro10_> try using the simple installer instead
[21:34] <microIns> I can't, it freezes
[21:35] <microIns> For some reason my computer can't handle live sessions, installers.
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> try an older version (for testing)?
[21:36] <TheLordOfTime> if your system cant handle the live sessions it likely won't handle installed from the hard drive
[21:37] <microIns> It's the same with all distros.
[21:37] <microIns> I was afraid of that.
[21:38] <TheLordOfTime> how old's the system
[21:39] <microIns> 8 months
[21:39] <microIns> It's good enough.
[21:39] <microIns> Sandy bridge 2500k
[21:39] <microIns> Nvidia 580
[21:44] <pietro10_> is there a program I can use to determine whether or not my SATA controller is not picking up anything or if my hard drive is just derping
[21:54] <ronrom> im running kde but the gnome apps appear with too big fonts and running "kcmshell4 kcmgtk" and enable gtk apps to use kde fonts isnt doing any changes, any help?
[21:58] <faglnar> pietro10_: hdparm
[21:59] <pietro10_> thanks
[22:03] <nafg> I have Konsole set as Show a Launcher When Not Running, on the Icon-Only Task Manager (taskbar). When I reboot when Konsole was running, it starts up again since the session is saved and restored. The taskbar thinks it's not running though so clicking the icon starts a new instance.
[22:03] <nafg> On the other hand there is no "running" icon for Konsole, so it's employing contradictory logic.
[22:03] <nafg> Or it doesn't know that there is a Konsole application running, period.
[22:30] <casapk> pokpokop
[22:36] <lorddelta> help? why won't my sound work properly? It works, but something's screwy with kmix? I don't know, I don't really know where to start. VLC/Amarok/Juk/Dragon Player all complaing about various libraries not being installed, but play/flashplayer work just fine with sound
[22:44] <kesten> can anyone give a hand with the diff command?
[22:47] <kesten> I want to do $ diff -p1 dir1/stuff dir2/stuff > stuff.patch with the p1 to strip off the first directory level, but i think this is an "svn diff" not the utility diff of the command line.
[22:55] <nafg> kesten: What?
[23:21] <lorddelta> Well hopefully nearly solved my problem.
[23:52] <NoiseCounsellor> Odd. Is there any reason that some GTK-based (synaptic and gparted) applications should sometimes fail to launch from menus, krunner or panels, but always show up successfully when launched from Terminal, as in 'kdesudo program;'?
[23:54] <NoiseCounsellor> Specifically, the password prompt shows up, I enter password, the launching courser/icon animation plays a short while longer and nothing happens


[04:08] <gnomefreak> crimsun: do you have updated pulseaudio in your PPA?
[14:25] <rawhead> hi all
[15:27] <fta> it's quiet in here
[15:30] <asac> fta: yeah
[15:30] <asac> i am on holiday
[15:30] <fta> :)
[15:33] <asac> fta: will start to work on free time stuff on monday again i think
[15:33] <asac> just looked if anything super-urgent popped up
[15:33] <asac> started holiday yesterday
[17:10] <plun> hello....      ubuntu-useragent.js
[17:10] <plun> Any comments... ?  a lot of whinings
[17:10] <plun> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
[17:10] <plun>
[17:14] <plun> *ping*     Its Firefox   !!!!     nothing else !   (for mainstream majority, 99, 99 % )
[17:15] <fta> hi
[17:15] <fta> ?
[17:18] <plun> fta: users are annoyed about Hotmails "dustbin" for mail....
[17:18] <plun> Why are we using Ubuntu as useragent ? we are running Mozilla Firefox !
[17:18] <fta> not my choice
[17:19] <plun> Rather stupid, IMHO....  ;)
[17:20] <plun> I have no problem with TB3 and the "dustbin" addon.... more a "newbie challenge  ;)
[17:21] <fta> i guess it's for distrowatch or something
[17:22] <fta> asac, ^^
[18:30] <[reed]> fta: what's the UA?
[18:31] <fta> [reed], in 3.1, i have Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) Gecko/20081106 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Shiretoko/3.1b2pre
[18:31] <[reed]> er, why are you building with official branding for a nightly?
[18:31] <[reed]> :(
[18:32] <fta> changed that last week
[18:32] <[reed]> Shiretoko/3.1b2pre doesn't exist... should be Minefield/3.1b2pre
[18:32] <[reed]> Shiretoko/3.1b2 will exist soon
[18:33] <fta> well
[18:34] <fta> i used minefield for months
[18:34] <[reed]> and you just got tired of the name?
[18:34] <[reed]> lol
[18:40] <fta> [reed], why does it matter ? it's not an official ubuntu build
[18:41] <fta> I just have ~500 users
[18:41] <[reed]> yeah
[18:41] <[reed]> probably doesn't
[18:42] <fta> well, maybe more, at least 500 are reporting stats to ubuntu
[18:43] <fta> it seems i have >7200 users for songbird
[18:43] <directhex> fta, PPA stats?
[18:43] <fta> popcon
[18:43] <directhex> ah
[18:43]  * directhex has >12000 users for mono backports
[18:45] <fta> yep, probably, i don't advertize much, if at all, and only in the dev version
[18:46] <fta> directhex, how do you identify those 12000 users?
[18:47] <directhex> fta, i don't point to the PPA directly, i mirror & sign (using a script from mythbuntu)
[18:47] <directhex> fta, so i have web logs from the web host
[18:47] <fta> oh, ok
[18:47] <directhex> just track unique IPS grabbing Packages.gz
[18:47] <fta> lol, what about dyn IPs?
[18:56] <plun>  fta: sorry missed this....  I know what asac thinks about this...   hack Hotmail...  ;)
[18:57] <plun> directhex...  can you please fix Moonlight...  ;)
[19:02] <plun> fta:  I asked yesterday about FF3.1 and Jauntu, possible... ?
[19:02] <plun> We cannot "wait and wait and wait" for Debians never ending talks... !
[19:03] <plun> Jaunty... sorry  ;)
[19:04] <directhex> fta, i assume dynamic users balance out NAT users
[19:04] <directhex> plun, define "fix"
[19:07] <fta> plun, it's possible, i will post b2 in universe for sure
[19:07] <directhex> plun, i have packages ready, but am withholding them for now
[19:14] <plun> directhex:  Ok.... I be glad to test :)  Moonlight 1.0 was a piece of junk, IMHO
[19:16] <plun> fta: all users must be force to use FF3.1, otherwise we cannot nail bugs... !
[19:16] <plun> With FF3 we waited and waited....  wrong strategy.
[19:16] <plun> Let the "whinings" go on and users and devs finds more bugs !
[19:17] <fta> plun, no, it will not become default until final 3.1
[19:17] <fta> if moz is late, we don't want to ship jaunty with a beta as in hardy
[19:18] <plun> fta...  "baaah"...   it is Debian strategy  ?..  maybe I am a "cannibal"  but slangasek is terrible wrong.. !
[19:19] <plun> fta: it must be tested in long run !
[19:21] <fta> plun, it's not my call anyway, i can't upload to main ;)
[19:22] <directhex> plun, moon 1.0 hasn't been tagged yet has it? i know it's been branched
[19:23] <plun> fta: well... hack it...  :)     I cannot understand it anyway....  dev version waiting for a stable version...sounds crazy !
[19:24] <plun> directhex: Ok... I have tested Moon 1.0 and its junk IMHO.... worthless.
[19:24] <directhex> could be worse. tried Gnash?
[19:26] <plun> directhex... yes.. even more, clear tragedy...
[19:29] <plun> fta: tell someone which is going to Googles fort that FF3.1 must be tested.... even before Debian says it stable  ;)
[19:29] <plun> Good night !
[19:34] <fta> directhex, Moonlight guys have access to a spec right?
[19:35] <directhex> fta, right
[19:35] <fta> gnash guys do not
[19:35] <directhex> fta, they do now. adobe recently allowed access to the swf spec for apps other than swf creators
[19:38] <fta> directhex, really? are they using it? i discussed with rob 5 months ago at the last UDS, it seems to me he would prefer losing an eye rather than using that, but maybe i'm wrong
[19:38] <directhex> rob who?
[19:39] <fta> the creator of gnash
[19:42] <fta> Rob Savoye
[19:48] <directhex> "Adobe has removed the entire license agreement from the SWF and FLV/F4V specifications. The only remaining restrictions are on copying and distributing the specifications themselves and on the use of Adobe trademarks, including the Flash trademark. The copyright and trademark restrictions are on the copyright page of the specification. Developers are now free to implement what is documented in the specifications without res
[19:48] <directhex> trictions from Adobe."
[19:48] <fta> nice
[19:49] <fta> when did that happen?
[19:51] <directhex> May
[19:51] <fta> hm, uds was in may
[19:51] <fta> and gnash didn't make any progress since ?
[19:55] <directhex> well, i tried it on bbc iplayer. it ate 600 meg of ram then crashed my browser
[19:56] <fta> gasp
[19:59] <directhex> i'm hoping upstream will get my ITV Catchup bug fixed before 1.0 is actually released
[20:00] <directhex> which would mean the silverlight-using british broadcaster is fine with Free Software, but the Flash-using one is not
[21:43] <NCommander> Is there any issue if I help work on resolving this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/272959
[21:49] <RainCT> Hi
[21:49] <RainCT> What's the rationale for bug #272959?
[21:50] <sebner> RainCT: lol
[21:50] <james_w> heh
 Is there any issue if I help work on resolving this bug? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/272959
[21:50] <sebner> RainCT: at 22:43
[21:50] <RainCT> lol
[21:50] <NCommander> The justification is there, removing firefox 2 from the archive for Jaunty.
[21:51] <RainCT> That's not a justification. Leaving it does no harm, removing it makes backports more difficult.
[21:51] <RainCT> Not that this really matters but it seems a pointless effort to me.
[21:51] <NCommander> RainCT, as long as it depends on firefox, backports will work just fine
[21:53] <RainCT> NCommander: Uhm, right, but anyway. It's time doing the upload, time on the build servers, and jaunty users having to download and install a new version for no real benefit. It would make more sense to just do this as a secondary change when there's a real reason to touch a package.
[21:53] <RainCT> but feel free to ignore me :P
[21:54]  * NCommander points to the two uploads done before him :-)
[21:55] <fta> we already touched all the packages to add abrowser and we got a lot of complains from angry users spammed by launchpad
[21:55]  * RainCT also considered adding abrowser to be a pointless change :P
[21:56] <fta> otherwise, i already have a script to mass update this, no need to spend more than 1 minute on this if it's wanted
[21:56] <fta> but i don't think it is
[21:57] <fta> RainCT, yep, i had no hard feeling about abrowser. i'm not using it.
[21:58] <RainCT> well, it's not about wheter it's used or not, but abrowser provides firefox so it wasn't necessary to add an alternative dependency for it
[22:07] <fta> asac, oh my !
[22:07] <fta> -rw-r--r--  1 fta fta 255698776 2008-11-07 20:50 chromium_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20081107r5000.orig.tar.gz
[22:07] <fta> -rw-r--r--  1 fta fta 122593180 2008-11-07 23:05 chromium-dbgsym_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20081107r5000-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb
[22:07] <fta> -rw-r--r--  1 fta fta  21148800 2008-11-07 23:06 chromium_<IP_ADDRESS>~svn20081107r5000-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[22:07] <fta> so huge
[22:08] <NCommander> Chromium is packaged?
[22:08] <NCommander> cool
[22:08] <RainCT> NCommander: of course! were have you been the last years? :P :P
[22:08] <RainCT> *where even
[22:08] <NCommander> I never heard of chromium until Google Crome came out
[22:09] <RainCT> oh of course
[22:09]  * RainCT sees a name conflict coming :P
[22:09] <fta> i should have named it chrome, or google-chrome, as it's more than just chromium
[22:09] <RainCT> fta: chromium is a game :P
[22:10] <fta> oh, thx :)
[22:11] <RainCT> btw, usr/lib/firefox/extensions/* should also be dropped together with bug #272959, or?
[22:11] <fta> asac already said it doesn't hurt to keep it
[22:21] <fta> hm, should i use chrome or google-chrome?
[22:22] <fta> we call firefox just firefox, not mozilla-firefox
[22:23] <[reed]> chromium...
[22:24] <mconnor> mmm, point, maybe?
[22:24] <RainCT> [reed]: already exist
[22:24] <mconnor> also
[22:24] <mconnor> really depends on whether chrome feels unique enough
[22:24] <mconnor> chromium-browser ?
[22:25] <[reed]> I would think Google would be even more anal than us about the use of "Google Chrome"
[22:25] <[reed]> ;)
[22:25] <mconnor> one would think
[22:26] <fta> chromium is chrome without some features, but to build it, you currently need those features, so it's not chromium
[22:27] <fta> you need 9 source trees :(
[22:27] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/69026/
[22:28] <[reed]> and you thought Mozilla's build system was complicated
[22:28] <[reed]> ;)
[22:29] <fta> I prefer makefiles over those scons files (in python)
[22:31] <NCommander> O______________________O;
[22:31] <NCommander> [reed], ow
[22:36] <directhex> i didn't know chromium had a UI under linux yet
[22:37] <directhex> "(Shhh, don't tell anyone but if you build test_shell, it can actually render something recognisable) "
[22:39] <NCommander> lol
[22:40] <NCommander> I dunno why, but I personally find WebKit browsers under Linux to seemingly suck
[22:40] <NCommander> I dunno why
[22:41] <fta> directhex, there is one, but.. well...  http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/chrome.png
[22:47] <RainCT> now that's what I call a feature-full UI :)
[22:49] <NCommander> It looks like epiphany
[22:49] <RainCT> epiphany has a menu bar :P
[22:56]  * kgoetz looks at chrome.png and wonders if thats "it"
[22:57] <fta> nope, it's just a test so far
[22:57] <kgoetz> nod.
[22:58] <kgoetz> i was wondering for a moment :|
[23:00] <crimsun> fta: do you have a test case for the audio nasties in firefox-3.1?
[23:00] <fta> crimsun, i sure do. hold on
[23:01] <fta> [reed], damn, the list tab thing is broken
[23:01] <[reed]> lol
[23:03] <fta> [reed], oh, it's the control tab addon.
[23:04] <fta> with 110+ tabs, it's difficult to survive without that addon
[23:05] <fta> crimsun, Nov 03 00:43:37 <fta> crimsun, while you're here, i still have issues with sound in ff3.1: http://tinyvid.tv/show/e3wzq35dms5h gives me 1 or 2 seconds of sound only
[23:06] <mconnor> fta: its being integrated into trunk now
[23:06] <fta> mconnor, what?
[23:07] <mconnor> fta: the ctrl+tab addon
[23:10] <fta> mconnor, i know but the addon evolved a lot.. hmm... ?! er.. ??..  do you mean this has been merged too ? in the last few days?
[23:11] <fta> i'm running 3.1~b2~hg20081106r21383
[23:21] <fta> bug 246911
[23:27] <directhex> NCommander, you can write one in 12 lines of c# though, which is pretty neat
[23:27] <NCommander> write what?
[23:27] <directhex> NCommander, a webkit browser
[23:27] <NCommander> I can also do that with trident ;-)
[23:28] <directhex> and fta's screenshot looks identical to the demo that comes with webkit-sharp, Funnybrowser
[23:30] <crimsun> fta: got it, module-alsa-sink.c
[23:30] <crimsun> fta: also, is this error reproducible in luke's 0.9.13 packages?
[23:31] <fta> crimsun, i dropped luke's ppa as it was a real misery. no way to play an hd video using mplayer
[23:32] <crimsun> ok, I don't know offhand if luke merged all of Fedora 10's changes to 0.9.13
[23:34] <fta> directhex: i probably is just the demo (the ui part)
[23:58] <fta> -i+it


[12:21] <cmaloney> Why didn't anyone tell me about Turses before?
[12:22] <cmaloney> (Actually, I think I knew about it, but it got a lot nicer since then)
[14:12] <mathomastech> Sad day. Just fund out the LUG group where I am moving is no longer active. Nearest one is downtown Minneapolis.
[14:15] <brousch> Not sad. Revive it!
[14:16] <brousch> Reviving our local LUG eventually led to us starting a new makerspace
[14:30] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's an opportunity calling
[19:03] <cmaloney> BTW: Looking to reschedule the monthly meeting one week earlier as I'll be AFK 10/6
[19:03] <cmaloney> New meeting time is 9/29
[19:14] <greg-g> mathomastech: where are you moving to?
[19:17] <DrDaemonEye> cmaloney: same time?
[19:17] <cmaloney> Same time
[19:17] <cmaloney> Just different date
[19:17] <DrDaemonEye> cool.  I'll be here... probably finishing up a ham radio net
[20:48] <greg-g> Carrie's last phone died from bubble solution. There's a cheap waterproof (to 3 feet) phone from Ting. Couldn't convince her to get it since it was only 3g
[21:10] <mathomastech1> greg-g  Northfield, MN
[21:11] <mathomastech1> brousch: Reviving it is something I am considering. Not sure how much luck I will have. Don't know many locals yet to get involved with it or to speak. But with 2 colleges in town, I bet I can get the word out to students.
[21:18] <greg-g> oh, he's gone
[21:18] <greg-g> yeah, Northfield is a bit away from MPLS
[21:21] <greg-g> mathomastech: ah yeah, Northfield, confusingly south of MPLS ;)
[21:21]  * greg-g used to live in MPLS for... 6 years?
[21:22] <greg-g> I still have my 612 area code phone number ;)
[21:22] <greg-g> s/;)/:)/ #no wink required
[21:22] <mathomastech> greg-g: Heh, yea. But it is North of a field.
[21:24] <mathomastech> Gah!  I have my IRC running on my work computer since it's up 24/7, except for the last 2 days the external internet has been on the frits (hence all the disconnects and reconnects) Finally got it running on my home computer. That should spam you all a lot less now.
[21:26] <mathomastech> So, any suggestions on how to revive a local LUG? I bet I can get a lot of students interested, there are 2 colleges in town.
[21:27] <greg-g> mathomastech: let's see, how did I do this Michigan LoCo thing?
[21:27] <greg-g> step 1) ignore all past attempts
[21:27] <greg-g> step 2) get jcastro to round up the good people
[21:27] <greg-g> step 3) beer
[21:27] <greg-g> that's pretty much what I did, and it seemed to have some lasting effect, not sure on quality ;)
[21:29] <mathomastech> Awesome!
[21:29] <mathomastech> j-castro: Care for a road trip out to Minnesota?:


[00:02] <ev> and now we'll never know
[00:54] <ubuntu_> I used the usb-creator to make a livecd USB stick. When it boots, USB stick is mounted as /cdrom with permissions 755. I can't seem to change it to 777. Could this be because of the mounted fmask=0022 and dmask=0022? If so, how do I change that?
[00:57] <BobPaul> It is mouted as rw and I can write to /cdrom when root, but I'd be nice to have write access as the user, since this is where most files I'd be using will be located
[06:17] <Thwapp> hello everyone..
[06:18] <Thwapp> I'm hoping there's someone online who may be able to help me figure out a Ubuntu 9.10 installation issue with my desktop PC.
[06:27] <Thwapp> is there a way to install Ubuntu with a minimal cd or USB drive that downloads all the packages off the internet?  I'd prefer to run 64 bit on my desktop, 32 bit on my notebook,and by some miracle, I managed to get the Netbook remix installed onto my MSI Wind U100-257ca (upgraded to 2gb ram and a 500 gb hd...)  Both my desktop (EVGA 780i SLI MB based) and my notebook (Acer Aspire intel core 2 duo based) have crashed on install..
[06:36] <persia> !netbook
[06:36] <persia> Err,
[06:36] <persia> !netboot
[06:37] <persia> Thwapp: Try reading about netboot installs in the install documentation.  You may find this matches your original request, although be warned it's less simple than the other methods.
[17:25] <Thwapp> persia: I've read through the netboot documentation seems to expect me to have GRUB installed..  which I don't because I can't get the initial installation to go past 22%.  I have 3 versions downloaded..  the 64 bit one (what I wanted to experiment with on my desktop), the 32 bit one (that I figured would be a good experiment on my notebook - the afore mentioned notebook), and the netbook remix (which I managed to successfully inst
[17:26] <persia> Hrm.  I'm not sure about that then.
[17:26] <persia> netboot is the only way I know to download packages at install time, rather than preinstall time.
[17:26] <Thwapp> it keeps claiming an I/O error...
[17:27] <Thwapp> I've burned prolly 4 or 5 copies of both the x64 and the x86 versions..  get the same issue...
[17:27] <Thwapp> when I built the desktop, I made sure it was 64 bit capable..  used an em64t cpu, got a solid Mobo for it..
[17:28] <Thwapp> made sure I have solid, error free ram...
[17:29] <Thwapp> This isn't  the first time I've ever installed Linux before, nor is it the first time I've ever installed Ubuntu either, however it is the first time I've ever installed Ubuntu on my desktop....
[17:31] <Thwapp> I have read the documentation on installs, and until I came in here and got the pointer to the page about install difficulties, I hadn't found that one yet..  So I've read it...  All the netboot installs seem to want GRUB installed.  I know how to USE Grub to boot an OS, but I don't know how to Install it yet.  not on it's own, not at all..  if it's part of an install, that's usually not too bad...
[17:31] <persia> Hrm.  You're sure about your optical drive?
[17:31] <Thwapp> I have 2 of them...
[17:32] <Thwapp> both IDE..  and both working just fine in Windoze..
[17:33] <persia> Hrm.  I'm not sure.
[17:33] <Thwapp> on my netbook, I have an external Samsung USB slimline DVD burner...  I even tried to boot it off that one!!
[17:33] <persia> THis channel tends to be quiet on the weekends though.  Have you talked to the folk in #ubuntu about installation?
[17:33] <Thwapp> actually, no..  that's a good idea...
[17:34] <Thwapp> I shall take a peek in there shortly!!  thanks!!
[17:34] <Thwapp> And thanks for your time!  I do appreciate it!!
[17:34] <persia> Good luck.
[23:58] <dhillon-v10> cjwatson: can you have a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/215972 possible to close that bug because GRUB doesn't make the menu.lst file anymore