[00:00] <mcasadevall> TheMuso, http://people.ubuntu.com/~mcasadevall/linux-31.zip
[00:05] <TheMuso> thanks
[00:12] <mcasadevall> TheMuso, I'll take a stab at fixing SPARC
[00:13] <mcasadevall> TheMuso, as it stands, we should also chat about changing the powerpc kernels, and the sparc ones
[00:13] <mcasadevall> (I'll draft an email to ubuntu-kernel, but I'm not really excepting too much ping reply)
[00:25] <TheMuso> ok
[08:41] <TheMuso> NCommander: is the ia64 fix in the upstrea kernel yet? If so, wouldn't it be better to wait for that?
[08:42] <NCommander> TheMuso, no, its in the patchworks section, bouncing around
[08:42] <NCommander> TheMuso, as it stands, it only affect ia64, since the driver that is being compiled is only included on that architecture
[08:43] <NCommander> TheMuso, to be frank, I really need an ia64 kernel upload so we can fix d-i and get CD images rolling. I understand if you don't want to kick the patch to our kernel guys, and I'll accept your judgement
[08:43] <TheMuso> NCommander: Actually, it seems it has made it to mainline: intel-iommu: Fix one last ia64 build problem in Pass Through Support
[08:44] <NCommander> TheMuso, ah, guess it just landed; it wasn't in the last kernel pull I got
[08:45] <TheMuso> ah ok
[08:45] <TheMuso> although the original author is different
[08:46] <TheMuso> so just checking a little more.
[08:48] <TheMuso> and the file being patched doesn't look very arch specific to me.
[08:50] <TheMuso> Ok no, its not in there yet.
[08:53] <TheMuso> And, I am not sure we should throw it in, as it seems it hasn't yet been tested, goign by the original location for the patch you linked to.
[08:54] <TheMuso> your message also doesn't explain what config changes you made.
[09:10] <NCommander> TheMuso, a lot :-/. it puts the config changes in line with the x86/amd64 arches.
[09:11] <NCommander> I can make it more explicate, but its going to be a nutty long commit log
[22:49] <TheMuso> NCommander: I was referring to the config change in the ia64 iommu patch.


[13:21] <Wiz_KeeD> Hey guys
[13:22] <Wiz_KeeD> What if I make major changes to a file that is revisioned by bzr and then I just wans to push and update a small modification on the same file but not the other work I did?
[13:22] <Wiz_KeeD> So I make changes I commit, Change, commit, change, commit...then make a small adjustment and commit that?
[13:22] <Wiz_KeeD> only that
[13:52] <bgardner> Wiz_KeeD: I'm not a bzr guru, but that seems unlikely to be possible.
[14:49] <Wiz_KeeD> I see
[14:49] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks :(
[15:24] <Peng> Create a separate branch?
[15:25] <Peng> If you haven't committed the otehr stuff yet, you can use bzr shelve (from bzrtools) or bzr record (from bzr-record ;)
[15:44] <LeoNerd> You could also create a separate branch and 'replay', but beware of replay's rudeness
[15:50] <Wiz_KeeD> hmm
[15:51] <Wiz_KeeD> that is a good thought
[15:51] <Wiz_KeeD> you guys are helpful :D
[18:32] <lfaraone> Do code contributions to bzr require a CLA?
[19:45] <bgardner> lfaraone: Yes
[19:46] <bgardner> lfaraone: See the entry for Bazaar for contact info: http://www.canonical.com/contributors


[22:30] <paulsomebody> Hi. I wanted to ask members of the Ubuntu design team: are there any plans stretching into the foreseeable future to integrate the Ayatana Overlay Scrollbars into the most used applications, like Firefox, Chromium and LibreOffice? This lack of integration is the most unpleasant part of my user experience with Ubuntu at the moment.


[07:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: that is very scary
[07:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, the image corruption?
[07:38] <tsdgeos> yep
[07:38] <Saviq> yeah it is
[07:38] <Saviq> there were all kinds of issues with the image over thu/fri
[07:39] <Saviq> but just confirmed it's not a file corruption
[07:39] <Saviq> like reinstalling unity8 from .deb doesn't help
[07:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, to add to the weirdness, we weren't even touching the areas that broke
[07:42] <Saviq> yeah, it's QML compilation
[07:42] <tsdgeos> ?
[07:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, removing the cached precompiled files fixes the issues
[07:43] <tsdgeos> doh
[07:43] <tsdgeos> what could go wrong with caching :D
[08:49] <dednick> larsu: good morning. Can you take a quick look @ https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/qmenumodel/lp1378941-disconnect-signals/+merge/238013, and top approve if you agree?
[08:51] <larsu> dednick: sure
[08:54] <larsu> dednick: approved. How does qmenumodel land? Do I need to merge manuallY?
[08:54] <dednick> larsu: not sure. havent done much in it in quite some time
[08:54] <dednick> larsu: i think it's manual.
[08:59] <larsu> dednick: hm, I'll wait a bit and merge if it doesn't happen automatically
[08:59] <larsu> thanks for the patch
[08:59] <seb128> larsu, dednick: that likely go through ci landing
[09:00] <seb128> larsu, dednick: I can put a landing up if you want
[09:02] <larsu> seb128: yes please, thanks
[09:02] <seb128> yw!
[09:02] <larsu> one day I'll learn how all of this is set up
[09:10] <seb128> larsu, they documented it recently on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
[09:10] <seb128> larsu, I didn't read it, but maybe have a look
[09:10] <larsu> ah thanks, I will
[09:31] <larsu> dednick: did you see the bugs about the time format in i-messages? I thought those where mine at first, but you added the relative time formatter, right?
[09:31] <larsu> dednick: bug #1372061 and bug #1378821
[09:33] <dednick> larsu: hm. yes. you send the numerical time i think.
[09:34] <larsu> dednick: it's definitely not the service's fault, it doesn't care about timezones or relative times at al
[09:34] <larsu> *all
[09:34] <larsu> dednick: I mean time formatting in plugins/Util/relativetimeformatter.cpp
[09:34] <dednick> larsu: sure. it's my fault. i pulled the code from indicator-datetime.
[09:35] <dednick> probably doing something wrong with tz.
[09:35] <larsu> dednick: do you have time to fix it or should I take a look? (probably not that hard)
[09:35] <larsu> I wonder if the time has come to merge those classes and put them into the SDK
[09:35] <larsu> Saviq reminded me of that the other day
[09:36] <dednick> larsu: ya. been meaning to do that for awhile..
[09:37] <larsu> dednick: hm, they mix strftime and qt-style time formats ...
[09:37] <larsu> I guess the sdk will want qt-style, but then we'll have to re-translate all those strings
[09:39] <dednick> larsu: ya. i just used strtime in unity8 to keep it somewhat maintainable from indicator-datetime. but i needed to make some changes anyway, so it's probably time to change to qt.
[09:40] <dednick> larsu: and should be exporting raw time from indicator-datetime as well.
[09:40] <dednick> not formatted.
[09:41] <larsu> ya, of course
[09:41] <larsu> we should have one place to format time and it should be as close to the ui as possible
[09:44] <larsu> dednick: is now the time to do this or should we wait until after rtm?
[09:44] <seb128> larsu, dednick, building in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-008 if you want to test the deb later on
[09:50] <larsu> seb128: thanks
[11:02] <Saviq> seb128, hey, have you any idea why the language selection list scrolls so slow?
[11:03] <Saviq> it looks like delegate creation is awfully heavy
[11:12] <mzanetti> greyback: ping
[11:16] <dandrader> mzanetti, was testing launcher-update-on-dconf-change last Friday using the "reset launcher" button in the settings app. it din't work with or without  this patch. :-/
[11:16] <dandrader> mzanetti, will try with https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/drop-reboot-label-in-launcher-reset/+merge/236876 now
[11:17] <mzanetti> dandrader: define "didn't work"
[11:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, the launcher contents do not change, even after a reboot
[11:18] <mzanetti> dandrader: that system settings patch only drops the label...
[11:18] <mzanetti> dandrader: you need another one in systemsettings, let me find it
[11:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, I unpinned everything and pinned just "dropping letters"
[11:18] <mzanetti> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/update-reset-launcher/+merge/234309
[11:19] <mzanetti> dandrader: otherwise systemsettings still resets AccountsService
[11:19]  * mzanetti wonders why this isn't merged yet
[11:19] <mzanetti> seb128: hey, is there a reason why this isn't merged yet? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/update-reset-launcher/+merge/234309
[11:19] <dandrader>  mzanetti, ok will add drop-reboot-label-in-launcher-reset and update-reset-launcher
[11:20] <greyback> mzanetti: pong
[11:21] <mzanetti> greyback: hey. question: if I kill an app from cmdline. what's supposed to happen?
[11:21] <greyback> mzanetti: did you start that app from command line too?
[11:21] <mzanetti> greyback: no
[11:21] <mzanetti> greyback: it seems I'm intentionally not getting the applicationRemoved() because appman assumes it got lifecycled
[11:22] <mzanetti> greyback: however, the ApplicationInfo entry goes away
[11:22] <greyback> mzanetti: if app in foreground, app is considered to have crashed so should be removed from app list. If in background, assumed OOM struck, so kept in app list
[11:22] <mzanetti> greyback: ah ok, its the focused one
[11:22] <mzanetti> greyback: so we have a bug that if the foreground app crashes, the dash is not woken up from suspend
[11:23] <dandrader> ah, drop-reboot-label-in-launcher-reset already brings update-reset-launcher
[11:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: yeah, one is a prereq of the other
[11:23] <greyback> mzanetti: I think if foreground app crashes, focusApplication is set to nullptr in qtmir
[11:23] <greyback> mzanetti: as that used to be the dash
[11:23] <mzanetti> dandrader: technically you only need the prereq as the other really just drops the label that says "you need to reboot"
[11:23] <mzanetti> ah ok
[11:24] <greyback> mzanetti: so need to change that to focus dash I guess
[11:24] <mzanetti> greyback: that helps, will try to fix. might come back though if failing
[11:24] <greyback> mzanetti: sure
[11:26] <dandrader> mzanetti, I didn't look at the diffs at all :)
[11:42] <tsdgeos> Saviq: dednick: besides the two minor comments i made sharedunitymenumodel looks good to me
[11:43] <tsdgeos> let's wait for the CI run and approve it
[11:43] <dednick> tsdgeos: cool. just uploaded fixes for those.
[11:48] <Saviq> cool
[11:49] <dednick> Saviq: i've uploaded latest changes to panel design branch as well. back in MP.
[11:49] <Saviq> dednick, thanks
[11:49] <tsdgeos> dednick: is that ready for review too?
[11:49] <dednick> tsdgeos: yup
[11:50] <tsdgeos> ok, so shall  i get into that one next?
[11:50] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ↑?
[11:50] <dednick> tsdgeos: Cimi has been doing it, but could use some more eyes
[11:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yes have a look
[11:50] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, go for it
[11:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, I will re'-review after lunch
[11:50] <Cimi> but is tricky
[11:51] <tsdgeos> ok
[11:51] <tsdgeos> i
[11:51] <tsdgeos> i'm off for lunch too
[11:52] <Saviq> dednick, testing silo 10 now... http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?distro=ubuntu&q=landing-010
[11:53] <Saviq> dednick, panel icons seem to get stale straight away
[11:54] <dednick> Saviq: stale?
[11:54] <Saviq> dednick, the icons don't change at all, display the first icons that were displayed
[11:54] <dednick> Saviq: hm. will take a look.
[11:54] <Saviq> dednick, any from the MRs seem relevant?
[11:55] <Saviq> dednick, also, datetime indicator empty
[11:55]  * Saviq reflashes to pristine
[11:55] <dednick> Saviq: not from the list...
[11:55] <Saviq> dednick, yeah didn't think so
[11:56] <dednick> Saviq: mterrys greeter shizzle isn't there is it?
[11:56] <Saviq> dednick, no
[11:56] <seb128> mzanetti, not that I know
[11:56] <mzanetti> seb128: seems its just that it was stuck in "Needs Review" and considere being finished
[11:57] <mzanetti> ...and *not* considered finshed
[11:58] <seb128> mzanetti, well, I was waiting on the unity8 side to land, did that happen?
[11:59] <mzanetti> seb128: yeah, long ago
[11:59] <seb128> mzanetti, ok, I'm putting it in the next landing then
[11:59] <mzanetti> seb128: there's multiple parts though. the fact that the launcher swiched to dconf landed a while back already
[11:59] <seb128> jgdx, ^ the reset launcher changeset was ok, right? seems like you looked at it by didn't top approve
[11:59] <mzanetti> seb128: the dynamic updating without reboot is not landed yet
[11:59] <seb128> oh
[12:00] <seb128> when is that landing?
[12:00] <jgdx> seb128, t'was
[12:00] <mzanetti> seb128: hopefully soon, the code is reviewed and looks good. dandrader is doing a last test run now, so it will go into the next unity silo
[12:01] <seb128> k
[12:04] <dandrader> mzanetti, after i do "reset launcher", should I get an empty launcher (ie, with nothing pinned)?
[12:05] <mzanetti> dandrader: no, you should get the default list
[12:05] <dandrader> mzanetti, I got an empty launcher
[12:05] <mzanetti> hmm, that's not good
[12:06] <mzanetti> dandrader: where are you trying this?
[12:06] <dandrader> mzanetti, hmm, I pinned contacts
[12:06] <mzanetti> dandrader: on the desktop?
[12:06] <dandrader> mzanetti, and it stayed after the reset
[12:06] <mzanetti> hm, ok. something wrong then
[12:06] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, something breaks the indicators in that silo :|
[12:06] <dandrader> mzanetti, but dropping letters went away
[12:06] <dandrader> mzanetti, as it's not in the default list, I suppose
[12:06] <dednick> Saviq: ok, i'm taking a look now. just finished flashing
[12:06] <dandrader> mzanetti, testing on the device
[12:07] <Saviq> dednick, thanks
[12:07] <mzanetti> dandrader: this is the default list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8552071/
[12:08] <Saviq> dednick, ah crap
[12:08] <dednick> Saviq: did you update just the packages in silo, or do upgrade?
[12:08] <Saviq> dednick, my fault
[12:08] <Saviq> dednick, I resubmitted the test fix to include greeter profiles indeed
[12:08] <Saviq> dednick, let me undo that
[12:09] <dandrader> mzanetti, tried again: had dropping letters and phone pinned. then did the reset. had a launcher with just phone pinned
[12:09] <dednick> ah. hm, didnt see that on list
[12:10] <mzanetti> dandrader: what does "gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher items" tell you?
[12:10] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, because I resubmitted, but didn't *add* the actual MR
[12:10] <dednick> Saviq: ok.
[12:11] <Saviq> dednick, meaning my branch included the other
[12:11] <Saviq> dednick, so as you were, sorry for the noise
[12:11] <dednick> Saviq: no prob. guess that means the greeter branch is buggy though...
[12:11] <Saviq> dednick, well, the indicators updates weren't in the silo though, maybe that's why?
[12:11] <dandrader> mzanetti, ['appid://dialer-app']
[12:12] <dednick> :/
[12:12] <dednick> i'll try the greeter silo again
[12:12] <mzanetti> dandrader: err... that's weird... seems your reset call doesn't work then
[12:12] <dandrader> mzanetti, which is indeed what I see pinned in the launcher
[12:12] <mzanetti> dandrader: try "gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Launcher items"
[12:12] <dandrader> mzanetti, I added a comment in the MP with what it seems to be happening
[12:12] <Saviq> dandrader, mzanetti, that branch's in silo 10, was just about to test thes
[12:12] <Saviq> this
[12:13] <dandrader> mzanetti, at least my guess about it
[12:14] <mzanetti> ok, need to figure what's happening... dandrader, doesn't it work even if you use gsettings command line to reset it?
[12:15] <dandrader> mzanetti, what's that command line? I don't know it
[12:15] <Saviq> mzanetti, seems to work fine here
[12:15] <Saviq> dandrader, what did you use? dconf?
[12:16] <mzanetti> dandrader: try "gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Launcher items"
[12:16] <dandrader> Saviq, the "reset launcher" button un ubuntu-system-settings
[12:16]  * Saviq tries
[12:16] <dandrader> Saviq, under the "reset phone"  option
[12:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: note, the settings button isn't updated yet
[12:16] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, I see that
[12:16] <mzanetti> Saviq: unless you pull in that branchhttps://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/ubuntu-system-settings/update-reset-launcher
[12:16] <Saviq> since it requires a restart
[12:17] <dandrader> mzanetti, yeah, it works with the command line!
[12:17] <mzanetti> Saviq: not even that... still resets AS
[12:17] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, that too
[12:17] <mzanetti> hmm... that's even weirder then
[12:17] <mzanetti> as systemsettings calls QGSettings::reset()
[12:17] <Saviq> mzanetti, sounds like gsettings-qt bug?
[12:18] <mzanetti> not ruling it out, although I would have said "unlikely"
[12:18] <mzanetti> but if gsettings reset works
[12:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, actually it does not really. if I had only phone pinned it worked
[12:18] <mzanetti> aha
[12:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, but them I unpinned everything and pinned only dropping letters
[12:18] <dandrader> mzanetti, then the command leaves the launcher empty
[12:18] <mzanetti> hmm... crap...  I think I know what it is
[12:19] <mzanetti> Saviq: sorry then... I guess you can drop it from the silo
[12:19] <mzanetti> I'll fix it today
[12:19] <mzanetti> depends on when you want to release
[12:19] <Saviq> ok, dropping
[12:23] <dednick> Saviq: hm. greeter profiles silo doesnt work at all for me now... u8 cycles on startup.
[12:23] <Saviq> dednick, I don't think it's built proper
[12:23] <Saviq> dednick, I was waiting for silo 10 to land, can kick unity8 build if you want though
[12:24] <dednick> Saviq: meh. it can wait
[12:37] <dandrader> Cimi, started reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/fix-1378920/+merge/238012
[12:38] <dandrader> Cimi, when I press the volume buttons (with stock image) I don't hear anything
[12:38] <dandrader> Cimi, is that expected?
[12:38] <Saviq> dandrader, that's not landed yet
[12:39] <Saviq> dandrader, https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity8/synchronous-notification/+merge/229059
[12:39] <dandrader> I also cannot reproduce bug 1378920
[12:39] <dandrader> using krillin r81
[12:41] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, because that was reverted
[12:42] <MacSlow> dandrader, there's  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-api-team/unity-notifications/trunk/view/head:/examples/sound.py you could use to trigger a notification with sound
[12:43] <Saviq> mzanetti, can you please resubmit quicklist on top of touch ownership please
[12:43] <Saviq> please
[12:43] <MacSlow> dandrader, that would be enough to reproduce the video-playback-pause
[12:46] <mzanetti> Saviq: one "please" would have been enough :)
[12:46] <Saviq> mzanetti, please :P
[12:49] <mzanetti> Saviq: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/rework-quicklist-visuals/+merge/238149
[12:49] <Saviq> mzanetti, tx
[12:52] <mzanetti> Saviq: it's interesting that bzr thinks line 98/99 would be my change
[13:10] <Saviq> mzanetti, had to pull your MP from the silo after all, it conflicted elsewhere this time (stupid bzr)
[13:10] <Saviq> /food
[13:11]  * mzanetti grumbles
[13:15] <tsdgeos> dednick: https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/expanded-panel-design/+merge/237031/comments/584355
[13:23] <dandrader> hmm, got media-hub-service eating "392%" of the phone's CPU after playing a video.
[13:24] <Saviq> jhodapp, ↑
[13:24] <jhodapp> dandrader, Saviq: yeah that's a logged bug already
[13:25] <dandrader> jhodapp, good to know!
[13:25] <jhodapp> will be looking at that in the next several days
[13:54] <tsdgeos> dednick: there?
[13:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: do you also know why testShell now disappears?
[14:01] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: what do you mean disappears?
[14:02] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I figured it... same as in testShellWithPing happened
[14:02] <mzanetti> it got changed to have a Row {} as main item
[14:02] <mzanetti> wich makes it go to 0,0 size at some point during the test run
[14:05] <Saviq> mzanetti, fixed in my branch
[14:11] <tsdgeos> Cimi: do you know if this is by design? https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/expanded-panel-design/+merge/237031/comments/584390
[14:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, the panel?
[14:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yes, approved
[14:13] <Cimi> tsdgeos, there might be bugs in the UX, but nick is on track...
[14:14] <Cimi> tsdgeos, he went last week to the office and reviewed with vesa, there were things to tweak, so he might be addressing them
[14:18] <mzanetti> greyback: have time for a focus related review? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/refocus-dash-on-app-crash/+merge/238166
[14:19] <greyback> mzanetti: sure
[14:19] <greyback> mzanetti: "interctive" - typo
[14:20] <mzanetti> greyback: where?
[14:20] <mzanetti> wah
[14:20] <mzanetti> how come it still works?
[14:20] <greyback> mzanetti: you decided against patching qtmir to not set the focused app to null - that was my first thought. Ok will test in a while
[14:21] <mzanetti> greyback: yeah, qtmir has a comment there: "The app disappeard. Let unity decide what to do wit it"
[14:21] <mzanetti> greyback: given that its our long term plan anyways, I decided to do that
[14:21] <greyback> mzanetti: gotcha
[14:22] <tsdgeos> dednick: Cimi: i'm also concenrned about the high number of timers we seem to have in there
[14:22] <tsdgeos> why so many?
[14:26] <Cimi> tsdgeos, this is probably something left from the prototype
[14:52] <dednick> tsdgeos: Cimi: not from the prototype. the scroll timer is used for scrolling (holding mouse on area emits scrolls ever x ms). velocity timer is used to determine when velocity decreases below a threashold. alignment timer is used for a delay.
[14:55] <dandrader> mzanetti, should https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix_snap_decision_test/+merge/238015 get in or not? its description says "This proposal has been superseded by a proposal from 2014-10-10. "
[14:56] <mzanetti> dandrader: I just reactivated it, still need to fill in the checklist though
[15:06] <Saviq> tsdgeos, for your dash bottom edge branch, make the bottom tab thingy catch taps please
[15:06] <mzanetti> Saviq: hey, on that branch, testwhitespace fails, but doesn't tell me where and I can't find any :/
[15:06] <mzanetti> seen that before?
[15:06] <mzanetti> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix_snap_decision_test/+merge/238015
[15:06] <greyback> death to the whitespace test!
[15:07] <Saviq> checkin'
[15:09] <Saviq> dednick, the steps from https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/lp1336715-checkable-bindings/+merge/234503/comments/582588 still fail for me?
[15:09] <mzanetti> Saviq: hmm... I deleted everything from the file, saved it, pasted everything back saved it again
[15:09] <mzanetti> working now
[15:10] <mzanetti> maybe Josh edited the file with windows :D
[15:10] <Saviq> mzanetti,
[15:10] <Saviq> /home/michal/dev/canonical/unity8/repo/tests/qmltests/tst_Shell.qml: bad whitespace in multiple lines
[15:10] <mzanetti> yeah
[15:10] <dednick> Saviq: hm. i've been meaning to test that case.
[15:10] <mzanetti> I know its's tst_Shell
[15:11] <mzanetti> but in there, also LP diff doesn't show any changes that would contain whitespaces
[15:11] <Saviq> mzanetti, yeah, can't see where either
[15:11] <dednick> Saviq: give me a minute. will try
[15:12] <Saviq> dednick, so yeah, the kick is that they're now cross-synced
[15:12] <Saviq> dednick, meaning that if I enable in settings, it gets disabled in indicators
[15:12] <dednick> wtf
[15:13] <Saviq> dednick, basically it's a toggle
[15:13] <larsu> dednick: did you say you'll take care of the time bugs or do you want me to take another look?
[15:13] <Saviq> dednick, settings sends toggle, indicator switches without checking for the real value, but maybe it's actually settings' fault
[15:13] <dednick> larsu: if you've got time (har har), otherwise i will try get to them later.
[15:14] <larsu> dednick: haha okay. I'll reassign to you for now
[15:14] <dednick> Saviq: it should se to the server check value rather than just switching
[15:14] <Saviq> dednick, or that
[15:15] <dednick> Saviq: i'll have to check which frontend is wrong first.
[15:15] <Saviq> dednick, k, I'm landing the silo anyway
[15:15] <Saviq> as it's not getting worse
[15:15] <dednick> Saviq: ok
[15:16] <dednick> larsu: thanks.
[15:16] <mzanetti> greyback: hey, you reviewed this already, I just added the test now, mind reapproving? https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/fix_snap_decision_test/+merge/238015
[15:17] <greyback> mzanetti: sure.
[15:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: sorry was looking at the phone, what do you mean with " make the bottom tab thingy catch taps please" ?
[15:20] <Saviq> tsdgeos, with touchOwnership I can tap through the bottom hint
[15:20] <Saviq> the hint itself should be tappable I think
[15:20] <tsdgeos> Saviq: why?
[15:21] <tsdgeos> it's never been like that
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, because otherwise people will try and tap it and it launches an app
[15:21] <tsdgeos> and it's not something design requested
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I don't mean it should *do* anything
[15:21] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just it shouldn't be transparent to input
[15:22] <tsdgeos> ok, we had to do some extra code with dandrader to make it happen :/
[15:22] <tsdgeos> but ok
[15:22] <tsdgeos> Saviq: can you make a note in the MR so i won't forget while i review dednicks code?
[15:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, to make the hint thingy transparent?
[15:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: well to make sure it did not conflict with the scrollarea when moving up in that area
[15:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ok, I'll leave a note then
[15:25] <dandrader> Saviq, you mean make only that tab absorb touches, but not the whole bottom area, right?
[15:25] <Saviq> dandrader, yes
[15:26] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ^
[15:26] <Saviq> dandrader, just the white thingy with ^
[15:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ah i thought you meant the whole area
[15:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, no, just the white tab hinting thingy
[15:26] <tsdgeos> ok
[15:26] <tsdgeos> that makes more sense
[15:27] <Saviq> thanks
[15:27] <dednick> Saviq: hm. installed silo + apt install unity8 = blank screen...
[15:27] <Saviq> I did say *tab*, *hint*, tried to explain what I mean ;)
[15:27] <tsdgeos> sure sure
[15:27] <Saviq> dednick, silo 11?
[15:27] <Saviq> 10
[15:27] <dednick> er 10...
[15:27] <tsdgeos> i'm not saying it's your fault
[15:27] <dednick> doh
[15:28] <Saviq> dednick, no, 10 is good
[15:28] <Saviq> dednick, generally use `citrain device-upgrade 10`
[15:28] <Saviq> from phablet-tools-citrain
[15:28] <dednick> Saviq: ah. didnt know there was that...
[15:28] <Saviq> dednick, worked fine here every time
[15:28] <Saviq> so not sure what got you
[15:28] <dednick> Saviq: will try. perhaps there is a missing dep somewhere
[15:29] <Saviq> dednick, there's qtmir there as well
[15:29] <Saviq> dednick, just do `citrain device-upgrade 10 $password` now
[15:29] <Saviq> dednick, it will do the right thing
[15:29] <dednick> Saviq: presumably if the specific version was needed it would be deped to that?
[15:30] <Saviq> dednick, it was, yeah
[15:30] <Saviq> dednick, but maybe we do have some dependency problem still
[15:30] <dednick> hm. perhaps my install wasn't fresh or something..
[15:30] <Saviq> - qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin (>= 0.4.3),
[15:30] <Saviq> + qtdeclarative5-qtmir-plugin (>= 0.4.4),
[15:31] <dednick> or had another silo in apt
[15:32] <Saviq> dednick, uugh... your 1500ms timer... plane mode takes more than that to activate...
[15:33] <dednick> Saviq: hm. but it should be updated by a subsequent trigger from dbus :(
[15:33] <dednick> unless dbus is being faaaar too clever
[15:33] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, *but*
[15:33] <Saviq> dednick, it goes on, off, on
[15:33] <Saviq> really not great
[15:33] <dednick> for it's own stupidity that is
[15:33] <dednick> Saviq: :/
[15:34] <Saviq> aand now I'm out of sync
[15:35] <Saviq> dednick, I can't land that, I'm stuck in plane mode now :|
[15:35] <Cimi> tsdgeos, wondering if we can avoit the timers using a mousearea
[15:35] <dednick> ahh.. ffs
[15:35] <Saviq> dednick, if it decides to go back, it let's the other side know it went back
[15:36] <Saviq> lets
[15:36] <Saviq> dednick, and we basically get a feedback loop
[15:36] <dednick> bloody useless
[15:36] <tsdgeos> Cimi: how? as far as i undertand being pressed at a certain X has to trigger scroll
[15:36] <tsdgeos> i don't see how to do that without a timer
[15:37] <dednick> shouldnt do that :/ only supposed to be on user interaction!
[15:37] <Cimi> tsdgeos, reading mouse event x position of a mousearea on top?
[15:37] <Saviq> dednick, that's just my suspicion, not saying that's what happens
[15:37] <Saviq> dednick, pulling that MP from the silo in any case...
[15:37] <tsdgeos> Cimi: and how are you going to keep scrolling?
[15:38] <tsdgeos> Saviq: which one?
[15:38] <dednick> Cimi: need to keep scrolling without position changes
[15:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/lp1336715.server-value-reassert/+merge/237822
[15:39] <tsdgeos> ah couldn't find that 1500 reference
[15:40] <dednick> Saviq: Error reading https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu: Not Found
[15:41] <dednick> although still seems to be doing something...
[15:41] <dednick> Saviq: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8553318/
[15:41] <Saviq> dednick, yeah, that didn't work
[15:42] <Saviq> wonder if ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/ubuntu/landing-010 is correct
[15:43] <dednick> something is going really slow..
[15:43] <Saviq> dednick, you might need to reflash, something got real weird in your sources
[15:43] <dednick> i just did
[15:43] <dednick> although not a wipe
[15:44] <Saviq> dednick, no no, no wipe necessary
[15:44] <Saviq> dednick, apt-cache policy phablet-tools-citrain?
[15:45]  * Saviq gotta split for now
[15:46] <dednick> Saviq:  1.1+14.10.20141010-0ubuntu1
[15:46] <dednick> will just do manual
[15:52] <MacSlow> Saviq, I guess https://code.launchpad.net/~macslow/unity-settings-daemon/max-volume-notification-warning/+merge/238180 needs and rtm branch too?!
[16:03] <dednick> Saviq: qtmir-anrdoid wasn't upgraded with manual silo install.
[16:04] <dednick> which means the rest of mir wasn't either.
[16:10] <greyback> mzanetti: both u8 branches approved
[16:12] <mzanetti> greyback: thanks a lot :)
[16:20] <dpm> dbarth, it seems that the FB webapp asks me for user name and password every time I start it. Is this a known bug? Or is it supposed to work like that?
[17:03] <dednick> dandrader|lunch: i think i sorted out some more problems with that velocity calculator now.
[17:03] <dednick> it should be fairly quiet now :)
[19:13] <mzanetti> dandrader: hey, the launcher dconf branch should be fixed now
[19:13] <mzanetti> thanks for catching that issue
[19:16] <dandrader> mzanetti, np. I've hit my EOD. will test it again tomorrow


[00:32] <BLZbubba_> does 16.04 finally get rid of upstart and plymouth?
[00:32] <BLZbubba_> i've been waiting since 10.04 for that
[00:33] <k1l_> ubuntu uses systemd since 15.04
[00:34] <k1l_> but plymouth is still used iirc
[00:35] <rww> hrm, i should spin up a VM and test if it's removable now
[00:35] <rww> if memory serves plymouth was a depend of upstart, so couldn't be removed completely, just turned off
[00:35] <genii> rww: What, upstart?
[00:36] <rww> nah, i know upstart's gone :)
[00:36] <genii> Hm
[00:36] <BLZbubba_> thank god, maybe i can put nfs mounts in fstab again
[00:37] <BLZbubba_> for years flaky nfs mounts in fstab would cause upstart to freeze with no messages at all
[00:37] <rww> lol, xenial image is 1.4GB right now
[00:38] <k1l_> systemd is way more wonky when it comes to fstab
[00:40] <genii> rww: Yeah insane, almost twice the size of 2 regular CDs now
[00:40] <k1l_> once you go post-cd size it cant be stopped :X
[00:41] <rww> quite
[00:41] <genii> Almost forces you to use USB if you don't have a DVD burner
[00:42] <rww> i use USB for everything these days anyway, even netinst images in Debianland
[00:44] <k1l_> havent used a cd or dvd since years. my thinkpad x230 even doesnt have a dvd slot anyway. but i have a base-dock for that :)
[01:08] <rww> oh, joy. ubuntu-desktop depends lightdm. lightdm depends plymouth
[01:08] <rww> so not removable in Ubuntu Desktop any time soon
[01:09] <rww> but yeah, can be disabled, so *shrug*
[08:12] <stephanbuys> hi all, does ubuntu's implementation of systemd also use networkd? I'm trying to use systemd-networkd to configure my interfaces but it doesn't seem to work? Do I have to fall back to /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:24] <TJ-> stephanbuys: yes, it uses systemd-networkd
[08:26] <stephanbuys> TJ-: I figured it out just had to disable networking and enable systemd-networkd (and systemd-resolved)
[08:26] <stephanbuys> thanks though
[08:27] <TJ-> do you mean "disable ifupdown network configuration" ?
[08:27] <stephanbuys> TJ-: no, systemctl disable networkign
[08:27] <stephanbuys> s/networkign/networking/
[08:29] <TJ-> right, which is ifupdown via /etc/init.d/networking
[08:47] <Fudge> is there anything special you have to do on a gateway running dhcp3 and bind9 to make the gateway use the cached dns so it can lookup the fixed hostnames?
[15:41] <loveheartjoylove> Does the oversized image size imply an oversized installation size?
[15:42] <k1l> no
[15:42] <loveheartjoylove> Sweet
[15:42] <k1l> (if i understand what you mean)
[15:43] <loveheartjoylove> Well there's this bug, that is causing the disk image size to be larger than normal
[15:43] <loveheartjoylove> I'm wondering if that will cause the installation footprint to also be larger than normal
[15:43] <teward> and by 'installation footprint' you mean the total installed size?
[15:43] <loveheartjoylove> Yes
[15:43] <teward> as i understand the issue (and I'm not 100% fluent in it) that shouldn't impact installed size
[15:44] <loveheartjoylove> Kewell
[18:13] <croberts> has anyone got wine to work with 16.04
[20:18] <damascene> !ubuntu


[05:40] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[05:40] <Kilos> hi CraigZim
[06:07] <CraigZim> morning Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> hi sparda
[08:05] <sparda> hi Kilos
[08:05] <Kilos> first time here
[08:05] <sparda> Long time :-)
[08:05] <Kilos> ?
[08:05] <Kilos> oh my
[08:05] <sparda> This is brainiarc7
[08:05] <Kilos> welcome back then
[08:05] <Kilos> aha
[08:05] <sparda> Different handle
[08:05] <Kilos> lol
[12:50] <urbanslug> Kilos: Kenyans love to play with their nicks
[12:51] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Na3iL> o/
[12:52] <Na3iL> Hello Africa
[12:52] <Na3iL> wassup Kilos urbanslug
[12:53] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[12:53] <Kilos> urbanslug mike is already in my channel
[12:53] <Kilos> and Na3iL
[12:54] <Kilos> Na3iL we are working at translating a game to swahili and afrikaans
[12:54] <Na3iL> ah that's cool Kilos :D
[12:54] <Kilos> you can get involved and do the same for your fav language
[12:54] <Na3iL> Sure, any links!
[12:54] <Kilos> its to teach kids to read and write
[12:54] <Kilos> sec
[12:54] <Na3iL> Aww, super cool!
[12:55] <Kilos> http://raisingphoenicia.com/
[12:55] <Kilos> http://raisingphoenicia.com/localization
[12:55] <Kilos> mhall is involved too, he started us off
[12:56] <Kilos> its his project i think
[12:56] <Kilos> or him and others
[12:56] <Na3iL> Ah! I see


[04:02] <menn0> anastasiamac: gah. just found in nasty bug with resources (not migrations but resources themselves).
[04:02] <menn0> anastasiamac: should be easy enough to fix
[04:18] <veebers> menn0: (eavesdropping) what's the bug? Might be a candidate for EDA
[04:18] <menn0> veebers: EDA?
[04:19] <menn0> veebers: the problem is with "placeholder" resources. A placeholder resource is where a charm has defined a resource but no unit has retrieved it yet.
[04:19] <veebers> menn0: escaped defect analysis that qa does i.e. why did this bug git hit outside our testing
[04:20] <veebers> git/get
[04:20] <menn0> veebers: when the application is removed a cleanup operation is scheduled for the placeholder resource to remove it from gridfs
[04:20] <menn0> veebers: but there's nothing to remove, so the cleanup fails
[04:21] <menn0> veebers: it's only visible from the logs (and also prevents a migration from starting, which is how I noticed)
[04:21] <veebers> menn0: ah I see, nice catch :-)
[04:22] <menn0> veebers: there's no unit test coverage for this (which I will fix)
[04:22] <menn0> veebers: not sure if it makes sense to cover in functional tests - it's a corner case
[04:24] <veebers> menn0: ack, cheers
[04:43] <blahdeblah> axw: Around, or still on a sprint?
[04:47] <blahdeblah> Or anyone else around familiar enough with https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1645729 to help me work out a problem with testing it?
[04:47] <mup> Bug #1645729: environment unstable after 1.25.8 upgrade <juju:Fix Committed by axwalk> <juju 2.1:Fix Committed by axwalk> <juju-core:Fix Committed by axwalk> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645729>
[05:00] <blahdeblah> Well, I'll throw my questions here and hope someone sees them:
[05:00] <blahdeblah> I've added the proposed ppa and upgraded my local package such that "juju version" reports 1.25.9. I've also added agent-stream: proposed to environments.yaml for the environments I want to upgrade.
[05:00] <blahdeblah> But when I try an upgrade-juju --dry-run, it tells me no upgrades are available.
[05:06] <blahdeblah> Tried once with --upload-tools and it didn't work, but looks like it might be working now. o.O
[05:46] <anastasiamac> menn0: this is brilliant \o/ thank you for finiding it and for fixing it \o/
[05:47]  * anastasiamac wonders if nay part of HA would require migration.. menn0could fix it as drive-by
[05:47] <anastasiamac> any*
[05:47] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: axw is on holiday until mid-Jan. how is ur upgrade?
[05:48] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: I'm not sure
[05:48] <blahdeblah> Still waiting for sync-tools to finish
[05:48] <blahdeblah> yay ADSL 1Mbps upload
[05:50] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: *\o/*
[05:51] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: i need to go afk - **sigh** kids... - but will check backscroll later.. alternatively, feel free to email ;D
[05:52] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: Is there anything that explains the process of upgrading a stable environment to proposed other than the paragraph on the PPA?
[05:53] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: as far as I kow, u need to upgrade you tools stream value to 'proposed' and that's it
[05:54] <blahdeblah> I don't suppose there's a way to get the bootstrap node to pull the tools directly from streams?
[05:54] <blahdeblah> Or should that be the default
[05:54] <blahdeblah> ?
[05:55] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: i think setting agent-metadata-url could do it...
[05:55]  * blahdeblah gives up on letting sync-tools trash his ADSL link
[05:55] <blahdeblah> setting it to what?
[05:56] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: i need to go but for Juju 1.x, you could ...
[05:56] <anastasiamac> juju set-env agent-metadata-url=https://streams.canonical.com/juju/tools
[05:56] <anastasiamac> juju upgrade-juju --version 1.25.6
[05:56] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: u might b able to do equivalent for Juju 2.x
[05:56] <blahdeblah> This is 1.25.8
[05:57] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: sorry, I'll b back in cuple of hrs ... promise :)
[05:57] <blahdeblah> no worries - thanks anastasiamac
[05:57] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: yes, so it should work as long as --version set to ur next desired..
[05:59] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: u'd still need agent-stream value to b set to proposed tho
[05:59] <blahdeblah> yep
[08:31] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: Thanks for the help; I seemed to need juju sync-tools before things would work.
[08:31] <blahdeblah> I'll update the bug shortly
[09:44] <voidspace> frobware: ping
[09:45] <frobware> voidspace: pong
[09:45] <voidspace> frobware: morning :-)
[09:46] <voidspace> frobware: I'm having a chat with Ante about his network issues at noon
[09:46] <frobware> voidspace: ok, can join.
[09:46] <voidspace> frobware: I added you to the meeting if you'll be available
[09:46] <frankban> hey, I need a review for the quick fix at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6694, anyone available?
[09:46] <voidspace> frobware: cool, thanks
[09:49] <voidspace> frankban: not possible to test it I guess
[09:50] <frankban> voidspace: just bootstrap a controller, and run "juju gui"
[09:50] <voidspace> frankban: I mean an automated test
[09:50] <voidspace> frankban: but that sounds like a good thing to do too
[09:50] <frankban> voidspace: unit tests are already there, and they keep passing
[10:02] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: ack
[10:03] <voidspace> frankban: so if we're specifying the target directory there's no difference (except signature of function) between ioutil.TempDir and os.MkDir
[10:03] <voidspace> frankban: I know it's a trivial change, just want to ensure I *actually* understand it
[10:03] <voidspace> frankban: "juju gui" didn't fail with lxd, trying it with maas to watch it fail
[10:05] <frankban> voidspace: the difference is that os.MkDir receives the dir name, while TempDir creates a temporary dir (therefore with an available random name) in the given directory, with the given prefix
[10:06] <voidspace> frankban: ah yes, it's still a random name in the specified directory
[10:06] <voidspace> frankban: thanks
[10:07] <voidspace> frankban: I'm pretty sure your one line change is fine, I'm just trying it out
[10:07] <voidspace> frankban: :-)
[10:07] <frankban> voidspace: cool, and thanks!
[10:17] <voidspace> frankban: so I can't repro the original problem without multiple storage devices on my maas nodes
[10:17] <voidspace> frankban: but the new branch at least works fine, so LGTM
[10:17] <frankban> voidspace: ty!
[11:53] <mattyw> hey folks, is it possible to force juju to change the leader, so I can test leadership election in charms?
[12:00] <voidspace> frobware: ping for networking
[12:00] <frobware> voidspace: omw
[15:05] <kjackal> Hey rick_h got a question you might be able to help me with or route me to the right person. When I "juju register" a controller the password field inside the ~/.local/share/juju/accounts.yaml is not set. The python jujuclient we have is failing to parse the environment.
[15:05] <kjackal> rick_h: Is this a problem with the "juju register" command or with the jujuclient lib?
[15:09] <rick_h> kjackal: thinking
[15:09] <kjackal> rick_h: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23619350/
[15:10] <kjackal> rick_h: Here is cwr failing because of this problem
[15:11] <voidspace> frobware: ping
[15:15] <rick_h> kjackal: so, what client is doing the register?
[15:15] <rick_h> kjackal: so when you normally cli register you get a chance to set a password
[15:15] <rick_h> kjackal: but if not set, there's a cookie I think that gets set
[15:15] <rick_h> kjackal: so it could be client issue in registering, reading the cookie, etc
[15:15] <rick_h> kjackal: but hard to say from the pastebin as that's after the fact so not sure what got up to there
[15:16] <kjackal> rick_h: you "juju register" the controller and you provide a password. After that the controller is operational. Bundle tester works fine with it. No problem there.
[15:17] <kjackal> rick_h: The registration process does not add the password field in the accounts.yaml so the jujuclient library is failing
[15:18] <rick_h> kjackal: right so what's bundle tester using that jujuclient isn't then. I'm guessing it's not able to read the cookie data?
[15:19] <kjackal> rick_h: from your answer I gather that the password field in accounts.yaml is optional
[15:19] <rick_h> kjackal: yea, though I'm trying to think about that.
[15:19] <rick_h> kjackal: I mean the only real 'permanent' password is the credentials.yaml
[15:20] <rick_h> kjackal: that's persistent, so I'm curious if there's something that we should be doing in credentials.yaml that's correct or not
[15:20] <rick_h> kjackal: that one I need to chat with some other folks on and see why we don't. I guess because that's for a cloud and not a controller that's already running...
[15:21] <kjackal> rick_h: is password is optional then this line here seems wrong: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju-deployers/python-jujuclient/trunk/view/head:/jujuclient/juju2/connector.py#L64
[15:22] <kjackal> *if
[15:22] <rick_h> kjackal: yea, I just can't think of a great reason not to fill it in if the user has entered it. Maybe worth an email to juju-dev email list.
[15:23] <rick_h> kjackal: can you do full repro steps and bring it up and I'll chime in and see if we can get some feedback from the folks that did it if there was some reason I'm blanking on atm?
[15:24] <kjackal> ok, will do that. thanks rick_h
[15:35] <frobware> voidspace: pong
[15:48] <voidspace> frobware: tycho's patch uses the constraints off the instanceConfig
[15:48] <voidspace> frobware: however the CreateContainer method it is in takes a parameter called cons, which is a constraints.Value
[15:49] <frobware> voidspace: the patch is quite old. :/
[15:49] <voidspace> frobware: obviously kvm needs to specify these constraints differently from within the CreateContainer call
[15:49] <voidspace> frobware: ah, ok - so it may just be out of date
[15:49] <voidspace> frobware: I'm trying to see how it's used
[15:50] <frobware> voidspace: pretty sure this was done at the austin sprint, so march/april this year.
[15:50] <voidspace> frobware: that's no *soooo* olld
[15:50] <voidspace> *old even
[15:51] <frobware> voidspace: 2016 still. :)
[15:51] <voidspace> frobware: right
[15:52] <voidspace> frobware: so StartInstanceParams dows have Constraints, which is also a constraints.Value
[15:52] <voidspace> I wonder if it's just the same stuff duplicated or different
[15:52] <voidspace> time for some instrumentation I think
[19:33] <mup> Bug #1649379 opened: bootstrap failed sigabrt when installing services <bootstrap> <intermittent-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649379>
[22:32] <alexisb> ping anastasiamac
[23:17] <cmars> hey, does the GCE provider support exposing port ranges?
[23:17] <cmars> i may have found a bug..
[23:24] <mup> Bug #1510689 changed: juju upgrade --upload-tools tries to upload tools agents that are not permitted by the state server <bug-squad> <simplestreams> <upgrade-juju> <upload-tools> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510689>
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1510689 opened: juju upgrade --upload-tools tries to upload tools agents that are not permitted by the state server <bug-squad> <simplestreams> <upgrade-juju> <upload-tools> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510689>
[23:36] <mup> Bug #1510689 changed: juju upgrade --upload-tools tries to upload tools agents that are not permitted by the state server <bug-squad> <simplestreams> <upgrade-juju> <upload-tools> <juju:Triaged> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510689>
[23:48] <mup> Bug #1649379 changed: bootstrap failed sigabrt when installing services <bootstrap> <intermittent-failure> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649379>


[14:41] <Thomas_J> .
[15:14] <Kumool> so, It seems xfce has stopped working entirely, it launches applications, but input is behaving strangely
[15:14] <Kumool> and the panel didn't launch
[15:15] <Kumool> and by behaving strangely, I mean that the input on certain applications don't work, but shortcuts do
[15:15] <Kumool> I managed to type an address on firefox, and I opened A xfce4-terminal, but after that I couldn't exit that terminal
[15:15] <Kumool> so maybe xfwm didn't launch?
[15:17] <Spass[m]> Kumool: maybe something in ~/.xsession-errors will give you some hints?
[15:19] <Spass[m]> you can also 1) clear your session in xfce4-session-settings and restart, and 2) see if the problem is visible on a newly created user
[15:19] <Kumool> I'll create a user and see what happens
[15:23] <GridCube> Kumool: you could simply restart xfce4-panel?
[15:24] <GridCube> or xfwm?
[15:24] <GridCube> simply execute xfwm4 --replace
[15:24] <GridCube> or xfce4-panel --restart
[15:39] <Kumool> xfwm wasn't even started apparently
[15:39] <Kumool> I wonder why
[15:42] <Kumool>
[15:44] <Kumool> stupid weechat
[15:50] <Kumool> should xfwm4 be in the Application Autostart menu? because its not there
[15:52] <Thomas_J> I just installed xubuntu desktop onto a Rock Pi4b. I notice that the time was set to GMT and changed that to America/Chicogo. The system time was changed but the desktop still shows GMT time.
[15:53] <Thomas_J> Also, why was the natinal time server services installed with the OS install?
[15:54] <Kumool> I'm going to rm -rf .config/xfce4*, good/bad idea?
[15:54] <Thomas_J> That is why not the National time services installed also?
[16:05] <xubuntu50w> How to get enhanced session for Xubuntu in Hyper-V
[16:06] <xubuntu50w> There are steps to get enhanced session in Ubuntu but then it changes my xubuntu environment
[16:25] <Mark030a> hello
[17:19] <Spass[m]> Kumool: make sure xfwm4 is running and go here - https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/4.12/preferences#session
[17:20] <Spass[m]> make it run "Immediately"
[17:21] <Spass[m]> maybe that will help
[17:28] <Kumool> I have a autolaunch/xfce, so I'm putting xfwm there
[17:28] <Kumool> launching it if it isn't running
[17:36] <Kumool> It was already on Immediately
[17:36] <Kumool> btw
[20:56] <Guest_83> So... i have an issue with my xubuntu client that prevents me from using my pc in any way except from my usb.


[07:57] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:58] <flocculant> hi lordievader
[08:00] <lordievader> Hey flocculant, how are you?
[08:02] <flocculant> saturday morning ish :p
[08:27] <lordievader> Hehehe
[10:02] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[16:10] <flocculant> hi BluesKaj
[16:10] <BluesKaj> hi flocculant
[16:13] <flocculant> funnty place this is, this side of release and nothing much going on :D
[16:13]  * flocculant thinks hggdh is really pratchett's #DEATH
[16:14] <flocculant> :)
[16:14] <nedstark> is nobody using yakkety
[16:14] <flocculant> spoken in a quietly forbodingly loud voice
[16:14] <BluesKaj> some of us are , but it's early days
[16:15] <flocculant> nedstark: well - that'd be nobody-flocculant :p
[16:15] <flocculant> and BluesKaj
[16:15] <flocculant> ...
[16:15]  * flocculant only does it so he can hassle the xubuntu devs
[16:15] <nedstark> if there's not going to be unity 8, throw in cinnamon
[16:16] <flocculant> well
[16:16] <flocculant> cinnamon nor unity8 mean sod all to me :)
[16:16]  * BluesKaj is a KDE guy
[16:16] <flocculant> not sure BluesKaj cares too much about *not* kde things too
[16:16] <nedstark> mint has to do the testing anyhow
[16:16] <flocculant> yup
[16:17] <nedstark> testing cinnamon on top of ubuntu
[16:17] <flocculant> frankly I wish this channel was "#ubuntu+1,but mostly flavours"
[16:17] <flocculant> ubuntu has a bunch of auto tools
[16:18] <nedstark> opensuse lives on those tools
[16:18] <nedstark> automated testing is most of what they do
[16:18] <flocculant> would not be the first time I've seen someone trying to move someone away for not being an Ubuntu tester
[16:19] <flocculant> which is bad
[16:19] <nedstark> no qa means no release
[16:19] <flocculant> yea right
[23:36] <hggdh> flocculant: IT IS NOT TIME FOR US TO MEET


[00:27] <ubuntujenkins> how do i merge lp:~quickshotdevs/quickshot/luke-quickshot  into lp:quickshot?
[00:35] <MTecknology> ubuntujenkins: pull the lp:quickshot branch, go into that directory, then br merge lp:~quickshotdevs/quickshot/luke-quickshot
[00:35] <ubuntujenkins> cool thanks
[08:00] <scibotic> Hi, I want to have a subdirectory of a repository to have seperate defaults to the rest, is it safe to just initialise another in there or is there another way I should approach it?
[08:04] <scibotic> Oh hmmm, I probably should just avoid adding that directory ey?
[12:24] <en1gm4> Hi all
[12:25] <en1gm4> can anyoune tell me what's the command to view a screen like this: http://samba.org/~jelmer/bzr/bzrk.png
[12:25] <jelmer> en1gm4: bzr viz
[12:25] <jelmer> it's part of the bzr-gtk plugin
[12:25] <en1gm4> jelmer: thanks a lot!
[12:26] <en1gm4> yes I installed it but thought its command start with g***
[12:26] <en1gm4> ok it works thanks!
[16:28] <jelmer> maxb: hi
[18:53] <meoblast001> ok, i've probably asked this before, but i tend to forget things a lot
[18:53] <meoblast001> but when you move files, doesn't Bzr only log a move?
[18:53] <meoblast001> actually, i'm sure i've asked that before, but don't remember the answer
[19:25] <ronny_> meoblast001: kind of, it just reflects the changed locations of things in the inventory
[19:26] <meoblast001> ok, so it doesn't log as file deleted, new file created?
[19:26] <ronny_> just a move
[19:28] <meoblast001> ah, ok, goo
[19:28] <meoblast001> d
[19:29] <ronny_> i dont think there is a vcs that records a delete+new (all that im aware of is recording copy+delete)
[19:44] <luks> ronny_: CVS? :)
[19:45] <ronny_> luks: is cvs really a vcs?
[19:46] <lifeless> certainly
[19:46] <luks> well, it has it even in it's name
[19:46] <lifeless> ronny_: git
[19:46] <lifeless> ronny_: (doesn't record copies, so it does delete + new)
[19:46] <ronny_> lifeless: git doesnt record deletes either, it just records tree state
[19:47] <lifeless> ronny_: well, from that angle so does bzr
[19:48] <ronny_> lifeless: bzr cares about item histories and where a item is uniequely placed
[19:48] <ronny_> git is just a state of trees of blob
[19:48] <lifeless> ronny_: its tooearly for this. I assure you though, bzr does not record deltas.
[19:49] <lifeless> any more than git does; bzr is snapshot focused.
[19:49] <ronny_> lifeless: i didnt mention deltas, afair all of the major 'good' vcs's see them as internal optimazion
[19:50] <ajeans> jelmer: I'm coming from LP #533407, do you have instructions on how to use the trunk versions of dulwich and git ?
[19:50] <lifeless> well you claim 'git doesn't record deletes' - a delete is part of a delta
[19:50] <lifeless> you can't have a debate about 'storing deletes' - or not - without the concept of a delta being present.
[19:50] <ajeans> jelmer: I grabbed the trunks of both, but how do I set them up ?
[19:50] <luks> darcs doesn't count as good anymore?
[19:51] <ronny_> luks: darcs isnt major
[19:51] <lifeless> I wants: http://web.media.mit.edu/~marcelo/cornucopia/
[19:52] <luks> heh
[19:52] <ronny_> lifeless: everyone that saw star-trek does
[19:52] <lifeless> :)
[19:53] <ronny_> hmm, i think git is the most snapshot oriented, bzr carries way too much metadata about inventories
[19:56] <luks> only the file ID
[19:56] <luks> the rest is the same
[19:56] <luks> but the file ID makes a big difference
[19:56] <ronny_> where?
[19:57] <luks> the difference? in how you can view the system
[19:58] <ronny_> the only thing it really can help is annotate on a single file history
[19:58] <luks> oh, I didn't mean functional differences
[19:59] <ronny_> my usual view is tree of files' how do file-id's add a new perspective?
[20:01] <luks> they don't (most filesystems represent files as ids anyway), git's no-file-ids add a new perspective
[20:02] <ronny_> so where do they make the difference in viewing the system
[20:02] <luks> in the definition of a snapshot
[20:03] <luks> you said that git is the most snapshot oriented system
[20:03] <luks> but the only difference is that bzr keeps file ids
[20:03] <luks> so there is a difference in what people consider to be snapshots
[20:04] <ronny_> bzr has a lot of metadata that relates items within one snapshot to the previous snapshot
[20:05] <lifeless> no
[20:05] <luks> what kind of metadata?
[20:05] <lifeless> relates items in one snapshot to any other snapshot <- I'll accept that statement
[20:05] <lifeless> luks: file id, content-revision-id
[20:06] <ronny_> lifeless: my sloppy wording again :(
[20:06] <luks> oh right, I forgot about per-file revisions
[20:06] <lifeless> ronny_: :P de nada
[20:15] <ronny_> lifeless: i decided to degrade bzr from fully wanted to 'pass the tests' in anyvc
[20:34] <lifeless> ronny_: oh, thats a shame
[20:55] <ronny_> lifeless: since having bzr in my mind actively complicated some of my mindmodels more than ever should be necessary i lost all reasons not to
[22:14] <itistoday> anyone from japan here? Or know japanese immigrants who've lived in the USA whom I can ask a few questions?
[22:55] <mwhudson> jelmer: "merge dave" isn't much of a commit message :-)
[22:56] <mneptok> mwhudson: but makes a great potential title for a romantic comedy (or porn film)
[23:07]  * jelmer tries to be smart and keeps quiet
[23:41] <RenatoSilva> is there any command for undoing a given diff?
[23:42] <bob2> kinda out of scope
[23:42] <bob2> patch -R
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> bzr: ERROR: no such option: -R
[23:43] <bob2> nothing to do with bzr
[23:43] <bob2> the gnu patch tool can apply diffs backwards
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> can you get what I want?
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> e.g. you are in rev 100
[23:43] <RenatoSilva> then you realize that rev 80 was a mistake, then you want to undo it
[23:44] <idnar> bzr merge -r 80..79
[23:44] <RenatoSilva> it would be nice to have something like bzr revert -r 80
[23:44] <idnar> or...
[23:44] <RenatoSilva> idnar: nice, will try it
[23:44] <idnar> hmm
[23:44] <idnar> doesn't look like there's an easier way to specify it
[23:45] <idnar> -c 80 will get you 79..80
[23:45] <bob2> -c -80?
[23:46] <RenatoSilva> bzr merge -r 80..79 doesn't work, it generates a conflict in a file, non-sense, the file wasn't edited in that revision
[23:46] <bob2> bet you it was
[23:46] <idnar> bob2: -80 will get you the revision 80 revisions before HEAD, I think
[23:46] <bob2> ah
[23:47] <idnar> RenatoSilva: are you sure r80 is the one you want to revert?
[23:47] <RenatoSilva> of course
[23:47] <RenatoSilva> it's actually 146, but that doesn't matter
[23:47] <idnar> so you're using -r 146..145?
[23:47] <RenatoSilva> 146 should not exist, so bzr merge -r 146..145
[23:47] <RenatoSilva> yes
[23:48] <fullermd> You need the dot.  "bzr merge -r80..79 ."
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> oh
[23:48] <idnar> oh, that's my bad
[23:48] <fullermd> That won't make it not exist.  It just reverses the change and sets you up to commit that.
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> of course
[23:48] <fullermd> There's no way to make it not exist without rewriting all the revs after.
[23:48] <RenatoSilva> no one said it would
[23:48] <fullermd> Well, re "<RenatoSilva> 146 should not exist [...]"
[23:49] <RenatoSilva> fullermd: and?
[23:49] <fullermd> Just sayin'.
[23:49] <RenatoSilva> no, I didn't say
[23:49] <bob2> oh, I think RenatoSilva meant "146 is the rev I'd like to undo the effect of"?
[23:49] <RenatoSilva> should != will
[23:50] <fullermd> I know.  I'm just clarifying.
[23:50] <RenatoSilva> bob2: should not exist == if I could go back in time, I would not commit it
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> which may be possible if I find The Island
[23:51] <RenatoSilva> fullermd: ok
[23:52] <RenatoSilva>  bzr merge -r 146..145 . is sort of workaround right? it generates a conflict for the change, it doesn't actually patch the file
[23:53] <RenatoSilva> hmm, it doesn't work either
[23:53] <bob2> it's not a workaround, it is asking bzr to undo that change
[23:53] <RenatoSilva> if I simply accept the merge source, I could be reverting valid changes in further commits (my case here)
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> <<<<<<< TREE
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> div.header, div.footer, div.sidebar, ul#timings, div#interwiki, table.navigation, a.action {
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> [23:54] <RenatoSilva> div.header, div.footer, div.sidebar, div#interwiki {
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> >>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> it should be:
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> div.header, div.footer, div.sidebar, div#interwiki, ul#timings, {
[23:54] <RenatoSilva> >>>>>>> MERGE-SOURCE
[23:54] <bob2> is this repo available?
[23:55] <RenatoSilva> hmm that's right
[23:55] <RenatoSilva> if a further rev did not chnage that line, the conflict would not happen I think
[23:55] <idnar> if there have been other changes since r146 that conflict with undoing r146, then I would expect to see conflicts
[23:55] <idnar> which you'll then have to manually resolve
[23:55] <RenatoSilva> it's really a conflict I must solve
[23:57] <RenatoSilva> so ok, my bad, but I don't get bzr merge -r 146..145 ., although I know the pratical result. I would get better bzr revert -r 146..145
[23:57] <RenatoSilva> anyway, this is not so useful, it's more easy to just see the changes and undo them manually
[23:58] <RenatoSilva> but thanks all anyway
[23:59] <RenatoSilva> is there how to bzr diff -r 146..<current_uncommitted_changeset>?
[23:59] <lifeless> bzr diff -r 146
[23:59] <RenatoSilva> ok thanks!


[00:00] <well_laid_lawn> but you have to kill X first
[00:00] <twig_> lemme pull that log up, i know ive looked but i cat remember now
[00:05] <twig_> i was hoping i wouldnt have to kill X, i saw that option but im real new with linux, i wouldnt bother with this except my monitor is small and i was trying to hook up a old crt so i could have the man and howto pages open while i worked
[00:07] <well_laid_lawn> if you want X to use another config it will need a restart - or you use randr from the cli
[00:07] <well_laid_lawn> with the monitor plugged in and on does it show in xrandr
[00:07] <Sysi> arandr is graphical fronted for that
[00:08] <well_laid_lawn> did not know about arandr thnx Sysi
[00:09] <twig_> i had tried grandr but that showed showed a default and didnt give me ne way of adding an output
[00:11] <twig_> Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)   am i missing a pkg maybe?
[00:12] <twig_> arandr is same as grandr, it shows a output marked default and nothing else
[00:14] <well_laid_lawn> how many outputs show up in xrandr then?
[00:15] <well_laid_lawn> at the top of http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 they show an example with four outputs
[00:15] <twig_> yeah i dont have that
[00:16] <well_laid_lawn> how many outputs show up in xrandr then?
[00:16] <Sysi> pastebin your xrandr output?
[00:17] <twig_> hold on one sec double checking making sure im reading it right
[00:17] <twig_> okay i think im showing one
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> if there's more on the card the log will show 'em
[00:20] <twig_> http://pastebin.com/xpgM15iy
[00:20] <well_laid_lawn> The old days where you had to restart X when plugging a new monitor are gone. With RandR 1.2, you can plug/unplug monitors whenever you want. Running the following line will query all outputs and enable them with their default mode
[00:21] <well_laid_lawn> xrandr --auto
[00:21] <twig_> i tried that...  the term paused for a second and then gave me a new prompt
[00:23] <well_laid_lawn> are you trying to run onboard and a agp card at the same time?
[00:24] <twig_> apparently the onboard is either the agp or mislabeled because the second card is a old pci slot
[00:25] <Sysi> two differen graphics card at the same time is something i wouldn't try
[00:25] <twig_> its a compaq p6700n onboard card with a matrox mill2 pci card
[00:25] <well_laid_lawn> it at least needs a diff approach
[00:27] <twig_> so rather than xinerama i should look into the seprate sessions deal so linux treats them as two diff desktops?
[00:29] <well_laid_lawn> I would look for two vid cards sharing X
[00:30] <well_laid_lawn> xinerama is for two outputs on the one card afaik
[00:31] <twig_> oh the pages i was looking at were sounding like xinerama didnt care as long as it could see two, they were about a year old though
[00:32] <twig_> the only things i had found was xin and twinview
[00:32] <well_laid_lawn> try   http://superuser.com/questions/117239/how-can-i-get-multiple-video-cards-to-work-on-linux
[00:32] <twig_> but i havnt been online in a long time
[00:32] <twig_> k
[00:34] <well_laid_lawn> does   lspci | grep VGA   return two lines?
[00:35] <twig_> hold on a sec i was still reading it over
[00:35] <well_laid_lawn> k :]
[00:35] <twig_> got to much stuff open
[00:38] <twig_> 2 VGA compatible controllers
[00:39] <twig_> so if i write the xorg.conf it will force evrything else to follow?
[00:39] <well_laid_lawn> excellent - so in the xorg.conf you need two driver sections each showing the relevant bus id
[00:41] <twig_> i have a page witha  sample one fully written, with the info from this superuser.com link i should be able to re-write it
[00:41] <well_laid_lawn> and two monitor sections each one nemaed in the relevant driver section
[00:41] <well_laid_lawn> ok great :]
[00:41] <twig_> when i first looked at that and then went to xorg.conf it was empty so i was still looking for a configuration file that had something in it
[00:42] <twig_> actually i think it was Xorg.conf
[00:42] <twig_> i checked them both to be sure
[00:42] <well_laid_lawn> it should be little x xorg.conf for the filename
[00:42] <twig_> ok
[00:43] <twig_> i was checking everything i could find, looked up wildcard usage so i could search for every conf file, config, etc
[00:45] <well_laid_lawn> some know google-fu some don't yet :]
[00:45] <well_laid_lawn> ppl*
[00:46] <twig_> so i make my backup and then the ubuntu forums has a howto (i already checked) on accessing files using chroot from the live cd, that should work to replace the blank conf file so that it will be were it is now correct?
[00:46] <twig_> yeah my search skills are crap, havnt had aconnect in years so ive been looking at googleguide and some other stuff like that
[00:46] <texastwister> Having trouble with an "alternate" install of Xubuntu 10.04 on a very old PC.  After going through the entire install, I get "error: unknown filesystem." and a grub rescue prompt.  Current partitioning is /dev/sda1 = 300 MB, bootable, ext3 (or 4) mounted at /boot, /dev/sda2 = 3G swap, /dev/sda3 = 70+GB ext4 mounted at /. Grub installed to /dev/sda.
[00:47] <twig_> hehe
[00:47] <twig_> i went through an hour and ahlaf of alt xubuntu last night got to grub install and failed
[00:47] <texastwister> I've tried several other partition configs, but nothing seems to work.
[00:48] <well_laid_lawn> twig_: to get the xorg.conf file into /etc/X11 I would just do   sudo cp -v ./xorg.con /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then log out
[00:48] <twig_> its not as clean but theres a way to install ubuntu, then the xubuntu desktop and then remove most of the ubuntu install stuff that doesnt match up
[00:48] <well_laid_lawn> !purexfce
[00:50] <twig_> thats the one ubottu
[00:50] <twig_> oh bot, duh
[00:51] <texastwister> Used the same disk on another system (not as old) with no problem...
[00:51] <twig_> texas: other than my optical drive continually trying to commit suicide the ubuntu install works really well
[00:52] <twig_> i dont know enough to help you ne more than that
[00:52] <well_laid_lawn> texastwister: anything in the bios about partition size limits?
[00:53] <texastwister> well_laid_lawn: Possibly -- but I thought I addressed that by creating the small /boot partition
[00:53] <twig_> bbl
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> texastwister: it is trying to boot to the 70+GB partition
[00:54] <well_laid_lawn> try a 10GB / and the rest /home
[00:55] <well_laid_lawn> you'll need an extended partition to do that
[00:55] <well_laid_lawn> can't have more than 4 primaries afaik
[00:55] <texastwister> well_laid_lawn: Should be booting just the kernel and the initrd from /boot, no?  And then the kernel should be able to address the rest of the disk... or so I thought...
[00:56] <RJ_F1> you need to set the root partition to load from, i believe
[00:56] <Sysi> you can have every single folder in own partition
[00:57] <texastwister> Sysi: not quite true... several directories are required to be on the root partition for proper function.  But I know that many folders can be on dedicated partitions.
[00:59] <RJ_F1> I have a problem with the shutdown options
[01:00] <RJ_F1> the "save session" is not checked, yet when I reboot, what I had up comes back up anyway. Any way to fix that?
[01:01] <well_laid_lawn> at login select xfce session not last session iirc
[01:01] <RJ_F1> i believe it is auto set to "xubuntu session" should i still try xfce?
[01:02] <well_laid_lawn> is there no last session option?
[01:02] <well_laid_lawn> it might be the xubuntu one
[01:02] <RJ_F1> i do not think so. ,let me check.
[01:03] <Sysi> texastwister: afaik everything can be on differet partition, it's about unix-structure
[01:03] <Sysi> texastwister: of course you need to have fstab right then
[01:03] <RJ_F1> there is Xterm, Xfce, and Xubuntu session ( xubuntu session in italics)
[01:04] <well_laid_lawn> RJ_F1: I would try the xfce one
[01:04] <Sysi> stay here long enough that i can tell solution -.-
[01:04] <Sysi> RJ_F1: rm -rf .cache/sessions/
[01:05] <RJ_F1> sorry, it froze.
[01:05] <RJ_F1> should I run that as sudo?
[01:05] <Sysi> no
[01:05] <RJ_F1> ok.
[01:05] <RJ_F1> command completed with no messages.
[01:05] <Sysi> and then check tap for saving epty session
[01:06] <RJ_F1> sorry, i didnt get that
[01:06] <Sysi> or well, it doesn't matter
[01:06] <RJ_F1> so it should be ok now?
[01:06] <Sysi> yup
[01:07] <RJ_F1> ok thanks.
[01:07] <Sysi> i need to go to bed →
[01:07] <RJ_F1> goodnight, then, i guess
[02:18] <twig_> Xorg -configure
[02:49] <dbdii407> Where can I download the theme used in the current release?
[02:50] <dbdii407> My sister is bothered by this system's default look and is dying to have the old theme back
[02:56] <tenach> Is there a way to make xfce remember window locations?  It is the only gripe I have with this wm, and one would think that it'd do this by default.
[02:57] <tenach> I've been searching through documentation and google to no avail.
[03:04] <icarus> hello, does anyone have experience with creating ntfs partitions?
[03:04] <icarus> i cant seem to get my windows 7 cd to accept the ntfs partition ive made from within linux
[03:54] <xubuntu659> anyone in here ?
[03:57] <xubuntu659> no none
[04:01] <thefatloverboy> how can i open a cd in xubuntu?
[04:05] <thefatloverboy> so
[04:05] <thefatloverboy> how can i open a cd in xubuntu?
[04:13] <thefatloverboy> help
[04:32] <mranima> Hello?
[04:33] <mranima> question how do I install themes?
[08:28] <Guest12135> Hello
[08:31] <Guest12135> Would be possible to enable single click on desktop?
[08:34] <TheSheep> not yet
[08:34] <Guest12135> is it something to do with GTK+?
[08:37] <Guest12135> is it reserved for gnome users only?
[08:39] <TheSheep> it's because of how the xfdesktop component of xfce is written
[08:40] <TheSheep> it will be rewritten to enable that option, but it takes time
[08:40] <Guest12135> right, thanks for information.
[08:40] <Guest12135> bye\
[08:59] <sagarchalise> Is it possible to change default file manager to pcmanfm
[09:03] <TheSheep> just start using that other file manager
[09:04] <TheSheep> there is nothing that makes thunar special
[10:27] <ronia> Seems like Xubuntu fetches the wrong time from the network. Where are the settings for changing time zones/ time?
[10:30] <TheSheep> ronia: system -> time and date
[10:38] <redwyrm> why does the verve command line not ever have focus?
[10:38] <redwyrm> even when I click on it?
[10:38] <redwyrm> (I'm running 10.4)
[10:42] <zaib> help cant install new software
[10:43] <TheSheep> what is the error message?
[10:43] <zaib> Previous installation hasn't been completed
[10:43] <zaib> The installation could have failed because of an error in the corresponding software package or it was cancelled in an unfriendly way. You have to repair this before you can install or remove any further software.
[10:43] <TheSheep> that's pretty self-explanatory
[10:44] <zaib> the above is the error
[10:44] <zaib> i m using ubuntu software centre
[10:45] <zaib> help
[10:45] <TheSheep> the message already explains what happened and what you need to do, how can I help you further?
[10:45] <zaib> this is my first day with any linux plz explan
[10:46] <zaib> what should i do
[10:47] <knome> zaib, we will help you, but there's no reason to lie (you've been asking for help here before, so it's not your first day)
[10:47] <TheSheep> zaib: can you go to applications->system->synaptic package manager and see if you get any error there?
[10:48] <zaib> sorry
[10:48] <zaib> An error occurred  The following details are provided:
[10:49] <zaib> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.  E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[10:49] <knome> !pastebin | zaib
[10:49] <TheSheep> ok, can you try that command it recommends in terminal?
[10:49] <zaib> ?
[10:50] <zaib> what is pastebin
[10:54] <zaib> how can i take screen shot
[10:57] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107767
[10:58] <zaib> hello
[10:59] <zaib> help !
[10:59] <ronia> TheSheep, thx!
[11:00] <schlaftier> zaib: Note that you have misspelled "configure" there
[11:01] <schlaftier> and also omitted a space
[11:03] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107770 now what
[11:04] <schlaftier> zaib: It's --configure -a (there's a space in between)
[11:06] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107771
[11:07] <zaib> the confiure -a also dont work
[11:07] <schlaftier> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:08] <schlaftier> zaib: Make sure to get every single character right, please.
[11:08] <zaib> configure sorry my ''G'' doest sometime work
[11:08] <schlaftier> you might want to copy-paste that into your terminal
[11:09] <zaib> can you tell me where space is and where not
[11:10] <schlaftier> zaib: just copy-paste it
[11:11] <zaib> how can u copy paste on a terminal ?
[11:11] <schlaftier> zaib: right-click, or via the edit menu
[11:12] <ronia> zaib, if you use the gui terminal, its also ctrl-shift-c and ctrl-shift-v
[11:16] <zaib> thanks all problem solved :)
[11:18] <zaib> and there is another problem ,vlc player show different line of colours like red ,green etc when i play dvd
[11:19] <zaib> !
[11:28] <zaib> http://imagebin.org/107776 problem not solved still cant install software
[11:29] <zaib> plz anyone help
[11:31] <zaib> some one help
[11:32] <zaib> help
[11:33] <zaib> h
[11:33] <zaib> e
[11:33] <zaib> l
[11:33] <zaib> p
[11:35] <zaib> help
[11:35] <zaib> anyone
[11:36] <schlaftier> zaib: relax and have patience, this will not help. Eventually, somebody will be there to help
[11:36] <schlaftier> zaib: Try clicking on "Details"
[11:45] <zaib> details say :E:I wasn't able to locate a file for the fgfs-base package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. (due to missing arch):
[11:53] <schlaftier> zaib: As it's pretty quiet here and it doesn't seem to be Xubuntu-specific, you might be better off asking in #ubuntu
[11:56] <zaib> thanks me going and thinking of removing xubuntu and installing xp
[11:58] <zaib> xp or xubuntu which is better
[11:58] <Sysi> i hate xp so much
[11:59] <schlaftier> so do I
[12:00] <schlaftier> If it must be Windows, then Vista or 7
[12:01] <Sysi> vista isn't really usable if you don't have 2-4GB ram
[12:02] <zaib> can u name any other os that i can run on 192 mb RAM computer
[12:02] <Sysi> 7 is almost okay but i'm not supportin piracy or expensive software
[12:02] <Sysi> xp with 192mb sounds great, it's slow even with 512
[12:02] <Sysi> win 98?
[12:03] <zaib> no not windows any linux
[12:03] <Sysi> DSL, lubuntu, puppy
[12:04] <schlaftier> I suggest you keep Xubuntu and get rid of the problems you're having now
[12:04] <zaib> is xubuntu more heavy than lubuntu
[12:04] <Sysi> yes
[12:05] <schlaftier> oh, wait, only 192 MB... maybe Lubuntu is a better choice
[12:06] <schlaftier> But then again, all these are only variants of Ubuntu which are different only because of the desktop environment and default software
[12:07] <zaib> is lubuntu faster than xp
[12:07] <Sysi> should be, lot
[12:08] <Sysi> schlaftier: those are biggest you can do for memory footprint
[12:09] <schlaftier> Sysi: Yes, I was just implying that zaib does not need to reinstall everything for "switching" from Xubuntu to Lubuntu
[12:09] <Sysi> yeah
[12:10] <zaib> how faster than xp (lubuntu)
[12:10] <TheSheep> 42
[12:10] <zaib> 42 ?
[12:10] <TheSheep> yes
[12:11] <Sysi> that's right
[12:11] <zaib> 42 ?
[12:11] <zaib> whats right
[12:11] <TheSheep> ok, maybe 41.73
[12:11] <zaib> what is 42 , 41.73
[12:11] <TheSheep> numbers
[12:12] <zaib> hahaha
[12:12] <Sysi> "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life the Universe and Everything"
[12:12] <zaib> tell me how are u comparin
[12:12] <zaib> g
[12:12] <TheSheep> well, you should tell us in your question, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense
[12:13] <Sysi> and it's hard to tell exact difference
[12:13] <zaib> ok  !
[12:13] <Sysi> and windows is after half of year a lot slower than after installing :P
[12:14] <TheSheep> usually doing very cpu-intensive things will be similar, because operating system tends to keep away from the program then
[12:14] <zaib> xubuntu is very slow than xp i think ?
[12:14] <TheSheep> but things like starting up, starting an application, etc. will be faster, how much -- depends on the hardware and the application itself
[12:15] <TheSheep> zaib: no, it's much faster, at least on my computer
[12:15] <Sysi> xubuntu works better with 256mb than xp, propably 512 too
[12:16] <zaib> so i should upgrade my RAM
[12:17] <zaib> what will u choose XP or XUBUNTU
[12:17] <zaib> ok i m going bye
[12:18] <TheSheep> considering how my last windows was win95 and I'm pretty much lost in modern windows, I'd choose any linux distro
[12:18] <Sysi> i can use win7, but i haven't found any reason yet
[12:20] <TheSheep> I'm mostly doing development, and windows is a hostile development environment for me
[12:21] <Sysi> i'm just brosing internet and IRC, and doing schoolwork
[12:23] <Sysi> so i do not want search what antivirus would be okay, and scan from viruses and search through entire internet to get some program
[12:24] <Sysi> and xfce has very nice features
[12:33] <qu4nt> hey - downloaded xubuntu but im stuck at the login screen - how is the default login? already tried admin, user, root, nothing ..... does not work
[12:34] <Sysi> you're trying to install?
[12:35] <qu4nt> i downloaded the xubuntu image and burned it to cd, but wanted to copy some files to an usb stick before installing so tried to just boot into it from cd.
[12:36] <Sysi> tru ubuntu with empty passwd
[12:36] <qu4nt> did that
[12:36] <qu4nt> also xubuntu
[12:36] <Sysi> hmm
[12:37] <qu4nt> the image is from the mirror of the TU CHemnitz
[12:37] <qu4nt> should work imho
[12:37] <Sysi> 10.04?
[12:37] <qu4nt> yes
[12:37] <qu4nt> i386
[12:37] <Takeasy> i lost my panel in desktop
[12:37] <Sysi> !panels | Takeasy
[12:38] <Takeasy> thanks
[12:38] <Sysi> qu4nt: did you check the disc?
[12:38] <Takeasy> is it a FAQ?
[12:39] <Sysi> yeah
[12:39] <qu4nt> Sysi, what to you mean by that? it boots correctly, it just always says "Fehler bei der Authentifizierung"
[12:39] <Takeasy> recently ? or has been keep asking?
[12:42] <qu4nt> Sysi, i did not do a md5 check, could that be a cause for such an error
[12:43] <Sysi> qu4nt: there is option for checking in the first menu, you should try that
[12:43] <Sysi> just rebooting worth a try too
[12:44] <Sysi> Takeasy: i've seen it many time since 8.04 when i started using xubuntu
[12:44] <qu4nt> Sysi, ok i will try that. if it does not help, i will burn another iso from another mirror. thanks, bb
[13:45] <slow-motion> hi
[13:48] <bazhang> !hi
[13:49] <Sysi> do you have script for that hi or do you write it by hand every time? :P
[13:49] <bazhang> Sysi, its a !factoid
[13:49] <Sysi> bazhang: yeah i know
[13:50] <bazhang> ah sorry Sysi you meant slow-motion and the hi
[13:51] <Sysi> :b
[13:52] <slow-motion> hi bazhang
[13:52] <bazhang> slow-motion, hi!
[17:32] <zaib_> hi i have a old laptop http://paste.ubuntu.com/472258/ plz tell me that will lubuntu run faster xp on my laptop
[17:33] <Sysi> this channel isn't about either, lubuntu or xp
[17:33] <zaib_> but still help will be great
[17:33] <charlie-tca> Don't really know. I use Xubuntu. perhaps you could ask that in #lubuntu
[17:34] <zaib_> i have also asked on #lubuntu but no one is answering
[17:35] <charlie-tca> Hmm, I don't think Xubuntu will be able to tell you if "lubuntu" will be better for you, honestly.
[17:35] <zaib_> i have read some reviews ,saying that xubuntu is little more heavy than even ubuntu
[17:36] <charlie-tca> There will always be some bad reviews. Have you read the ones that say it is not more heavy?
[17:36] <th0r> a better idea would be to try them both and decide for yourself
[17:37] <zaib_> but honestly is xubuntu heavy than ubuntu ?
[17:37] <charlie-tca> no
[17:38] <charlie-tca> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
[17:38] <zaib_> i dont have lot of net speed (256 kb speed) to download all the distributions
[17:38] <charlie-tca> read that report. They are a trusted testing group
[17:51] <zaib_> ok i have read that report, i see not much difference in XFCE and LXDE but still noticeable difference
[17:51] <charlie-tca> okay
[17:55] <zaib_> thanks i have my answer (xp) now i wont be bothering you guys anymore :)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[17:56] <zaib_> THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[17:56] <zaib_> :)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> good luck
[17:57] <zaib_> ya i will need it as sometimes my cd-ROM dont work :)
[17:58] <zaib_> bye bye and thanks for ur great hospitality
[19:30] <rww> Can I set the Xfce Menu to open when I press Alt-F1, like the menus in Ubuntu and Kubuntu do?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> sure - define a shortcut in settings -> keyboard
[19:31] <rww> charlie-tca: for xfce4-popup-menu?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> for the applications menu
[19:32] <rww> thanks
[19:33] <charlie-tca> You can also get the menu in Xubuntu by right-clicking the desktop and choosing applications with the moust
[19:33] <charlie-tca> s/moust/mouse
[20:38] <malikeye|123> how does one choose the default audio device?
[20:54] <redwyrm> why does the verve command line not ever have focus, even when I click on it? (I'm running 10.4)
[22:23] <slow-motion> n8


[21:33] <mardy> hi! Does Mir use EGL drivers, or does it require some modifications to them?
[22:09] <RAOF> mardy: The question is sort of malformed; EGL is a cross-platform(ish) way of mapping from a windowing system to GL/GLES/OpenVG/etc.
[22:10] <RAOF> mardy: So, accelerated Mir clients use an EGL driver - with Mir platform support - to draw to the surfaces they've created through Mir.
[22:10] <racarr> Mir uses EGL, but requires additional driver support basically
[22:11] <RAOF> mardy: And on the server-side, Mir uses various EGL platforms, yes. On the free stack Mir uses the drm platform to do the KMS→GLES mapping; on Android it loads the magical android stuff to do the same job.
[22:11] <RAOF> racarr: Also, a fine Sunday evening to you!
[22:12] <racarr> RAOF: Howdy :)
[22:13] <racarr> Happy monday morning


 Monday. :-(
[13:37] <JonathanD> Who's up for a vista installfest?!
[13:42] <MutantTurkey> who isn't
[13:45] <ChinnoDog> JonathanD: you are a day late for April Fools
[13:46] <MutantTurkey> shucks
[13:46] <MutantTurkey> i really fell for the gnome 4 post
[13:46] <MutantTurkey> but then i sat back and though "this isn't really that unrealistic, frankly it's rather scary'
[13:47] <ChinnoDog> I wasn't on the internet yesterday. What did it say?
[13:49] <MutantTurkey> err
[13:49] <rmg51> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20120402#humour
[13:49] <PennBot> Title: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing.  I didn't read all of it.
[13:58] <JonathanD> there is a quiz, still, I suppose :)
[13:58] <ChinnoDog> what quiz?
[13:58] <JonathanD> Look at the doc. Or over the doc. Either way.
[13:59] <JonathanD> or even download the doc.
[13:59] <JonathanD> There will be cake at the end of the quiz. And a party.
[13:59] <ChinnoDog> There isn't a quiz..
[14:00] <JonathanD> There is a quiz :)
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20120402_Local_group_to_buy_Phila__Media_Network_for__55_million.html
[15:18] <PennBot> Title: Local group to buy Phila. Media Network for $55 million (at www.philly.com)
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> brutal
[15:35] <beta0x64> :(
[16:48] <ChinnoDog> I could use a nap
[16:59] <MobileTurkey> aye
[17:03] <jedijf> MobileTurkey: did we want a wall behind our table at ptw gala to do laser grafitti?
[17:03] <jedijf> i love the laser grafitti; would love to see Nutter hit up the wall!
[17:04] <jedijf> wrong channel
[17:04] <jedijf> channel_fail
[17:04] <MobileTurkey> yes yes yes
[17:04] <jedijf> hahah
[17:04] <MobileTurkey> lazer show
[17:05] <jedijf> our (hive76) laser grafitti is bangin'
[17:05] <jedijf> paint can that shoots laser
[17:05] <MobileTurkey>  tomahawk missiles...
[17:05] <JonathanD> I want a laser that shoots paint cans.
[17:06] <jedijf> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/thehacktory/6967057791/in/set-72157629182543788
[17:06] <PennBot> Title: Untitled | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at secure.flickr.com)
[17:19] <waltman> is laser grafitti anything like laser zeppelin?
[17:28] <jedijf> waltman: more like yuletide zep
[17:33] <waltman> jedijf: Interesting!
[17:41] <adom> tryin out Pidgin
[17:46] <jedijf> waltman: i was in love with yuletide zep, no one else in the house appreciated it
[17:46] <jedijf> :(
[17:54] <MobileTurkey> pidgin does da jab
[18:03] <adom> i prefer my irssi via ssh to my personal box sitting at home, but im working on it atm so for now, ill use pidgin on my office linux machine
[18:07] <Joe_CoT> I use xchat with bip
[18:07] <Joe_CoT> and then yaaic with bip on my phone
[18:15] <adom> bip?
[18:18] <Joe_CoT> bip
[18:18] <Joe_CoT> http://bip.milkypond.org/
[18:18] <PennBot> Title: Bip - Bip - DuckCorp Projects (at bip.milkypond.org)
[18:38] <adom> bip is just a proxy for irc then?
[22:06] <JonathanD> Hello my friends.
[22:07] <teddy-dbear> hi :-[
[22:08] <JonathanD> Hello!
[22:08] <teddy-dbear> o/
[22:08] <JonathanD> There is a fosscon 2012.
[22:08] <JonathanD> It has a date, and it has a place.
[22:10] <teddy-dbear> are you going to come pick me up? ;-)
[22:10] <JonathanD> I'll send a fedex box.
[23:08] <jedijf> 2day is last day to apply for City of Phila GIS Summer Intern Prgm. We have intern positions in 8 depts!
[23:09] <jedijf> http://t.co/cJFbmwak


[03:30] <cy1> Man, rsync is hanging for me. :(
[03:30] <cy1> I dunno why either. It just suddenly started doing it.
[03:34] <cy1> the one side writes, and it just gets lost, and the other side reads and waits...
[16:35] <c_smith> bkerensa, are you intending to try and attend the Salem Ubuntu hour this week?
[20:25] <bkerensa> c_smith: no. I would let you know far in advance if I was going to.