[00:17] <bazhang> sidewalk cross-trolling?
[00:17] <LjL> bazhang: oh - i'm only watching him in #debian
[00:17] <bazhang> LjL, he is doing same in #ubuntu
[00:23] <LjL> second time sebsebseb's getting on my nerves today
[00:24] <bazhang> heh
[00:24] <bazhang> its an ongoing occurence with me
[00:24] <bazhang> never quite gets off them
[00:25] <bazhang> he'll shortly quit in a huff.
[00:28] <LjL> i'm feeling triggery.
[00:28] <LjL> very triggery.
[00:28] <bazhang> he just encourages others to act lolcats
[00:34] <bazhang> any way to put a time limit on a mute? I recall some freenode folks mentioning this (like 10 minutes for example)
[00:34] <bazhang> anything to avoid re-populating the ban list :)
[00:36] <LjL> bazhang: only if you have a script to do that
[00:37] <bazhang> LjL, okay thanks; too worried that old xchat and chanserv.py bug will resurface to throw that in the mix :)
[00:44] <LjL> ha ha so funny.
[00:45] <bazhang> its true: lately unbanning via the gui flashes every single ban in the channel (making me think I just removed all bans)
[00:47] <LjL> bazhang: i didn't mean you, i meant sebsebseb
[00:48] <bazhang> LjL, okay
[00:48] <bazhang> sebsebseb> meshuggah:  if I was a mod I might boot you out ha ha :D  nah  not really since you seem ok
[00:49] <bazhang> :/
[00:49] <LjL> yes, that
[00:51] <bazhang> so 'mods' only boot people they dislike essentially
[00:51] <LjL> doesn't concern me
[00:51] <LjL> i'm not a mod
[00:52] <bazhang> hehe
[00:52] <bazhang> he's pre-emptively setting himself as a 'victim'
[00:52] <LjL> though you have to forgive them... some people - LIKE JDONG - actually have the word "mods" instead of "ops" in their channel's very topic.
[00:52] <bazhang> eww
[00:53] <bazhang> (that name, not the word 'mods')
[00:53] <jdong> :P
[00:53] <bazhang> oh wait
[00:54] <bazhang> pyckupline: oh say can you see
[00:54] <LjL> wha?
[00:54]  * bazhang huggles jdong for making sych a gryt bot
[00:54] <LjL> another?
[00:54] <bazhang> checkout #uf
[00:55] <Flannel> #unf?
[00:55] <Flannel> is there #pak and #chooi as well?
[00:55] <bazhang> ubuntuforums thx
[00:55] <LjL> i... don't get it
[00:55] <bazhang> better than the bot in trivia
[00:56] <Flannel> whats up with pHreaksYcle in ot?
[00:57] <Flannel> also, LjL, sebx3 is in -ot, so you can talk in there
[00:57] <LjL> yeah
[00:58] <LjL> jdong: my disk is broken alright :( took a tar backup, reformatted, was restoring it... fs went read-only again while i was restoring it.
[00:59] <tritium> nalioth: can you please have ubot3 re-join #ubuntu-us-nm?  Thanks!
[01:00] <LjL> tritium: i could join ubotwo meanwhile
[01:00] <tritium> LjL: sure, thank you.
[01:01] <jdong> LjL: OUCH :(
[01:01] <tritium> LjL: do you just want me to kick ubotwo when ubot3 re-joins?
[01:01] <LjL> jdong: well... at least it's under warranty
[01:01] <LjL> tritium: give me a reminder too when ubot3 joins, or ubotwo will join again next time it reconnects to the server
[01:02] <tritium> LjL: ok, thanks.  Will do.
[01:02] <LjL> jdong: i did hope solid state wouldn't suck *this* much, though.
[01:05] <jdong> LjL: unfortunately they all seem to.
[01:05] <jdong> LjL: we just had some people on campus report that a database journal on an X25-E died about 4 months into usage.
[01:07] <nalioth> so which bot is where, tritium ?
[01:07] <jdong> tritium's a bot?
[01:07] <tritium> nalioth: LjL gave us Ubotwo, on loan, until we could get ubot3 back.
[01:08] <tritium> jdong: You never know, do you?  ;)
[01:08] <jdong> tritium: well is it that you never know, do you that I feel you are a bot?
[01:08] <tritium> Thanks, nalioth.  LjL you can remove Ubotwo, if you like.
[01:08] <jdong> ;-)
[01:09] <tritium> Thanks to you as well, LjL.
[01:10] <LjL> jdong: i don't understand, i could have understood losing the root disk... (the eeepc 901 has two disks), but /home? it's not like it gets written to all that often
[01:11] <jdong> LjL: well if you want my blunt opinion on it, the Eee comes with a tiny high-quality SSD and a cost-cutting big one for the spec sheet.
[01:11] <jdong> LjL: to be honest I'd trust a digital camera SD/CF card more than the auxiliary SSD
[01:11] <jdong> (I am an Eeepc owner)
[01:12] <tritium> jdong: do you tweak things to limit writes?
[01:12] <LjL> jdong: well i assumed the main drawback of the cost-cutting big one was speed.
[01:14] <LjL> jdong: know anything about those 90x models with only a single ssd? (there are such, right?)
[01:15] <tritium> That would be my one concern with SSDs.
[01:16] <LjL> tritium: not sure it's *so* relevant in practice. this ssd of mine failed with really few writes - there's many more writes on the other one, with stuff writing to syslog all the time for starters
[01:16] <LjL> i guess if an ssd is decent, it'll last like your average hd even if you treat it badly
[01:16] <LjL> if it's not then well
[01:18] <bazhang> c0rrupted/matrixhomie in #k
[01:20] <LjL> jdong: will formatting with -c possibly give me a working filesystem, or is it no use on flash?
[01:56] <jdong> LjL: I don't believe -c is any use due to wear leveling
[01:56] <jdong> physical defects are different locations from logical addresses
[01:56] <LjL> yes that's what i was thinking...
[01:57] <LjL> jdong: although - it's probably too early to say - but it might have just been some bug in adamm's kernel that i was using. i've booted into a vanilla ubuntu kernel, and it's copying stuff fine for now...
[01:57] <LjL> of course it may also be just chance.
[01:57] <jdong> LjL: certainly filesystem corruption could be a kernel-ish problem.
[02:00] <LjL> jdong: though, since it happened pretty much every time i touched it, it logically should also have happened on the other drive, if that's the case
[02:00] <jdong> hmm they are the same bus right? (i.e. use the same kernel driver)
[02:03] <LjL> jdong: scsi@1:0.0.0 and scsi@1:0.1.0 according to lshw
[02:03] <jdong> LjL: I assume both are hooked up to ata piix?
[02:04] <LjL> jdong: in english?
[02:04] <jdong> the kernel module responsible for accessing it
[02:04] <jdong> is it a standard Intel PIIX?
[02:04] <jdong> (dmesg should provide hints as to which scsi driver finds the drive)
[02:08] <LjL> jdong: i honestly don't know how to read it. the first clear mention i see of them is from "ata2.00" and "ata2.01"
[02:08] <LjL> jdong: there's also "scsi0 : ata_piix" and "scsi1 : ata_piix"
[02:08] <LjL> (keep in mind i have a third drive connected now)
[02:09] <LjL> though anyway this is with the ubuntu kernel, so who knows whether it's any different with adamm...
[02:10] <jdong> LjL: right, ata_piix is handling the drives both
[02:10] <jdong> so if it were a driver problem it should've affected both.
[02:10] <LjL> still, it's still copying stuff without complaining
[02:13] <jdong> oddness
[02:13] <jdong> well when will be the next wear-leveling rotation of death? :D
[02:14] <LjL> jdong: right now i think.
[02:14] <LjL> jdong: my log has just filled up with stuff about "new_block: Allocating block in system zone"
[02:14] <jdong> eep
[02:14] <LjL> jdong: although this time it's not remounted r/o yet...
[02:16] <LjL> jdong: why doesn't the stupid thing at least mark bad blocks as bad and stop fscking using them? >:
[02:16] <jdong> LjL: because nobody paid them to ;-)
[02:16] <LjL> jdong: but my FLOPPIES do that!
[02:17] <LjL> christ.
[02:17] <jdong> LjL: yeah, unfortunately SSDs are pretty primitive and IMO primarily a cost-cutting measure in netbooks.
[02:17] <jdong> I'd personally rather have a nice Hitachi 4200RPM drive
[02:17] <jdong> the ones that take 50G's of operating shock and 1000G's of nonoperating.
[02:20] <LjL> jdong: i suppose i'd have had a HDD if the 901 ever came with one...
[02:21] <LjL> jdong: i think now they're stopping making 90x-sized machines entirely. at least asus are, and i don't see any of the others making them
[02:21] <jdong> LjL: the Dell Mini 9 is roughly that side right?
[02:21] <LjL> and that size is already on the too-big side for me, i bought this as a Psion replacement
[02:21] <LjL> jdong: the dell probably isn't sold in italy, i haven't seen it anywhere at all, including online shops
[02:22] <jdong> oh :(
[02:23] <LjL> jdong: what we have here is the eee's, the acer ones (bit big), the horrible HP Compaqs, the Samsung NC10 (my mother has it, it's nice), and if you're lucky the Wind
[02:23] <jdong> LjL: yeah of the ones you listed, the NC10 and the Wind are nice.
[02:23] <LjL> jdong: but while fine for my mom, they're not the right size for me
[02:24] <LjL> jdong: there's also a new 10" acer one around now, it looks decent though i haven't very much investigated
[02:24] <LjL> the keyboard feels the best
[02:24]  * jdong nods
[02:24] <LjL> while the eee keyboard, meh
[02:24] <jdong> yeah I have a mini9 and an eee and neither's keyboards impress me.
[02:24] <LjL> and it's not at all about the size
[02:24] <jdong> the mini 9 is a little bit better
[02:24] <jdong> but both are flaky
[02:24] <jdong> they're certainly no Macbook.
[02:25] <LjL> i guess not, but then the samsung keyboard is pretty fine (aside from the enter key that gets stuck a little but who cares), and the acers feel wonderful to me
[02:25] <LjL> the wind - not sure, only got my hands on it once
[02:31] <LjL> jdong: the dell's a little bigger than the eeepc, but just a little... i suppose i'd have considered it if i'd actually seen it anywhere
[02:32] <LjL> jdong: it even comes with one bigger ssd, so you err, lose more data at once.
[02:32] <tritium> I'll be looking closely at the Dell Mini 10, once they offer some of the promised upgrades (720p display, integrated TV tuner, etc.)
[02:33] <LjL> higher resolution is what's missing from mom's NC10
[02:33] <LjL> i can deal with the smallness, after all for me it replaces a psion... but 1024x600 is tight for most people given today's software and sites
[02:33] <LjL> (which is crazy, but not much i can do about it)
[02:34] <LjL> i mean hell, neither kde's nor gnome's *solitaires* fit
[02:37] <jdong> LjL: it comes with a single SSD too.
[02:41] <LjL> jdong: yes, the question is, is it the eee-4gb kind, or the eee-16gb kind... and i'd suspect the latter or how would they keep similar prices
[02:43] <LjL> (lucky thing besides that i just bought an external HD (technically for my dad), or i wouldn't have been able to back the eeepc up to begin with...)
[02:43] <jdong> LjL: it's about 22MB/s random
[02:44] <LjL> jdong: that's pretty impressingly fast isn't it?
[02:46] <jdong> it's as fast as IMO a SSD on a netbook needs to be
[02:46] <jdong> it's definitely no intel X25 but any faster won't help in a weakling netbook
[02:48] <LjL> jdong: well hddparm on the eeepc gives me some 10MB/s (not quite random, either) iirc
[02:49] <LjL> jdong: still, will "fast" be tied to "reliable"?
[02:51] <jdong> I'm not sure
[02:51] <jdong> I've only had it for a few weeks
[02:52] <LjL> jdong: you've got an eeepc *and* a mini 9? and?
[02:53] <jdong> lol that's it.
[02:54] <jdong> not a huge netbook fan
[02:54] <LjL> jdong: are you one of those forum dwellers who go like "Well, I have to say after I sold my 700 and got my 901 I felt happier, but this NC10 gives me some new emotions for sure. Shame they've already bought it on eBay, but oh well, I'll have the Wind U100 to play with"
[02:55] <jdong> haha no
[02:55] <jdong> I hate doing the buy-and-sell thing.
[02:55] <jdong> I do the "every part is used" native american hunting thing.
[02:55] <jdong> the eeepc is a security camera
[02:56] <LjL> jdong: oh about that - you don't happen to know of any way to grab shots without the led lighting up?
[02:56] <jdong> LjL: ugh currently no, I think it's firmware tied sadly
[02:56] <LjL> (no, i'm not spying on anyone.)
[02:56] <jdong> lol I will admit to that :)
[02:56] <LjL> feared so
[02:57] <LjL> jdong: i actually just wanted to use it to auto-adjust screen brightness.
[02:57] <jdong> brilliant idea
[02:57] <jdong> but is it worth the 3W power draw? :D
[02:57] <LjL> jdong: wasn't planning on keeping it on, just a quick grab every 30 seconds or so
[02:58] <LjL> (hope it doesn't have a spike current...)
[02:59] <jdong> yeah that's a really really neat project :)
[03:00] <LjL> jdong: other thing i wanted to try with the webcam was opengazer, but i can't get it to compile for the heck of me
[03:17] <Until_It_Sleeps> The bot in #Ubuntu-read-topic can't test me, and I need to be tested manually.
[03:20] <elky> Until_It_Sleeps, do you always use the same nickname?
[03:21] <Until_It_Sleeps> yes
[03:21] <elky> and where did you get banned from?
[03:22] <Until_It_Sleeps> No, I just wish to be tested so I can see which network/port to take off my autoconnect list.
[03:22] <Until_It_Sleeps> Chatzilla is a little screwy when it comes to ports and stuff...
[03:23] <elky> #ubuntu-read-topic only tests people who are quarantined from #ubuntu. it's not a whim service
[03:23] <Until_It_Sleeps> ah... that's why it's not doing it.
[03:23] <elky> yes. if you're not banned from #ubuntu, it wont test you
[03:24] <elky> you have to be in it's list
[03:27] <Until_It_Sleeps> So, does that mean you won't be able to/aren't willing to test me?
[03:28] <elky> you'll have to wait for someone who knows how
[03:29] <Until_It_Sleeps> Oh :|
[04:07] <elky> * Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) has joined #ubuntu <--- what a cloak....
[06:43] <elky> someone please get paddy off me
[07:08] <Flannel> !away > FlareDS
[08:48] <Myrtti> elky: I think the correct syntax is "victim Until_It_Sleeps"
[08:50] <elky> i figured it out about 1 second before he /quit
[08:51] <jussi01> why do I know that nick...
[08:51] <elky> because you've probably had to victim it a few times
[08:53] <elky> mmm... soup
[08:53] <elky> vegetable soup at that
[08:54] <jussi01> mm... Id love some tomato soup...
[08:55] <elky> this is 'country harvest' and it has potato, turnip, celery, carrot, peas, green beans, pinto beans, and barley in it
[08:55] <elky> i used to hate beans, but i seem to not mind them now.
[08:56] <elky> baked beans are still eww though
[08:56] <jussi01> hehe
[08:56]  * jussi01 likes baked beans also
[08:56] <Myrtti> if only there'd be refried beans in Finland
[08:56] <elky> oh, it has onion in it too
[08:56] <Myrtti> they made excellent cheesy bean dip for tortilla chips
[08:57] <elky> Myrtti, you cant even get it in cans?
[08:58] <Myrtti> I know I could make it myself but no, that's what I meant, no canned refried beans anywhere
[08:58] <elky> ow
[08:58] <Myrtti> once upon a time about six years ago my sister did see a can or two
[08:58] <elky> of all the weird things you finns eat, but not that...
[08:59] <elky> Myrtti, it's also good to throw in a lasagna if you cant be bothered mashing 4 bean salad mix
[08:59] <jussi01> Myrtti: behnfords in helsinki
[08:59] <jussi01> in the world trade center iirc
[09:00] <Myrtti> jussi01: that's no consolation for a person who doesn't live within ten km radius of the Three Smiths
[09:00] <jussi01> hehe
[09:00] <Myrtti> not with the amount of Mexican me and my sister eat, anyway
[09:02] <jussi01> and behnfords is ridiculously expensive anyway...
[09:03] <elky> Myrtti, i found some TVP the other day too. now i just need to figure how to use it
[09:03] <Myrtti> strips or crushed?
[09:04] <Myrtti> they're all lovely though
[09:04] <elky> Myrtti, it's actually labelled textured soy protein, and it's like big crumbs the size of peas. i could have got bigger crumbs, but i figured this would be better to try with
[09:04] <Myrtti> the amount of vegans and vegetarians must be substancial in Finland since every grocery store has TVP
[09:05] <elky> Myrtti, australia is more asian in it's vegetarianism i think
[09:06] <elky> tofu, tempeh, lentils, beans and chickpeas
[09:06] <Myrtti> ewww chickpeas
[09:06] <Myrtti> those I *hate*
[09:06] <elky> i dont mind them so much
[09:07] <Chipmunk> i'm hungry now
[09:07] <elky> they're tolerable in a good pesto sauce
[09:07] <elky> and, i <3 a good hommus
[09:07] <Myrtti> graah
[09:08] <Myrtti> why do totally random people want to befriend me in Facebook
[09:08] <Chipmunk> 'cos thats what facebook is for?
[09:08] <Myrtti> no, it's not
[09:09] <Myrtti> it's for friends to connect
[09:09] <Chipmunk> oh, so why have I got many stalkers? :p
[09:09] <elky> hrm, i dont have gary on facebook
[09:10] <Myrtti> me neither
[09:10] <Myrtti> I think. no, I don't.
[09:10] <Chipmunk> add me then :p
[09:10] <Myrtti> too many Gary K's in there :-/ argh
[09:11] <Chipmunk> Myrtti: only one Gary Kearley
[09:11] <Myrtti> oh, but that one has nine mutual friends with me...
[09:11] <Myrtti> *click*
[09:11] <Myrtti> Chipmunk: five
[09:12] <Myrtti> two in london, one in bristol, one in france and...
[09:12] <Myrtti> one with a baby.
[09:12] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[09:12] <elky> Chipmunk, orange shirt, hugging a black pup?
[09:13] <Myrtti> elky: I'd guess so
[09:13] <elky> it's either that or this one http://profile.ak.facebook.com/v226/919/85/s685449245_589.jpg
[09:13] <Myrtti> since christel has him...
[09:14] <Chipmunk> thats me, added you both
[09:14] <elky> or this one http://profile.ak.facebook.com/profile6/676/10/s549103430_2415.jpg
[09:15] <Chipmunk> when you have ten friends in common, all from irc, including a fair few staff, you just know you are a geek
[09:15] <elky> since we know you like having muscly men wrap themselves around you
[09:15] <elky> hehe yeah
[09:16] <Myrtti> elky: pwned ;-)
[09:16] <Myrtti> facebook : oh how do I hate thee
[09:16] <Chipmunk> oooo, that reminds me, I so need to stalk jenda more
[09:17] <elky> Myrtti, so how do i actually use this tvp stuff?
[09:18] <Myrtti> I soak it up in a veggie stock or something before doing anything to it
[09:18] <Myrtti> unless I'm making mince meatballs and substitute some of the meat with the coarse tvp crush
[09:19] <Myrtti> for that they're excellent substitute for eggs in the mixture
[09:19] <Myrtti> soak up the juices of the meat and all
[09:20] <elky> it looks like it'd do well in lasagna too
[09:20] <Myrtti> yup
[09:20] <Myrtti> I've only used the dark crush and light strips
[09:21] <elky> i have light crush
[09:23] <Myrtti> Chipmunk: oh drat. would this be a good reminder to quote the one undeniable truth about men? "all the goodlooking are either taken or gay, or both"
[09:23] <Chipmunk> Myrtti: are you saying I am good looking?
[09:23] <Chipmunk> aww bless :-)
[09:23] <Myrtti> Chipmunk: people say I'm good looking, for some odd reason...
[09:24] <Chipmunk> Myrtti: you are
[09:24] <Chipmunk> very pretty
[09:24] <elky> Chipmunk, you both are cute
[09:24] <Chipmunk> now, are you talking me and the dog, or me and tom? :p
[09:25] <elky> i'm talking you and miia
[09:26] <Myrtti> I should go out today for a good walk
[09:26] <Myrtti> there's lots of sunshine and snow
[09:26] <Chipmunk> :-)  she is nice - this is fab - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1093609&id=789962064
[09:26]  * Myrtti looks at emacs
[09:27] <Myrtti> Chipmunk: *blush* thank popey for that
[09:27] <jussi01> bring back Gary!
[09:28] <Myrtti> I like the picture Mez took of me at LRL more though
[09:28] <jussi01> ooh.. its International Woman's Day today
[09:28] <jussi01> (apparently)
[09:28] <elky> jussi01, yah
[09:29] <elky> Myrtti, which is that?
[09:30] <Myrtti> can't find it now...
[09:31] <popey> :)
[09:31]  * jussi01 wants to be home already :/
[09:32]  * Myrtti slops a plate full of mämmi, cream and sugar to wait for jussi01
[09:33] <Gary> there you go jussi01
[09:33] <elky> mammi?
[09:34] <Myrtti> omnomnom
[09:34] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A4mmi
[09:35] <jussi01> Gary: :)
[09:35] <Myrtti> lent delicacy ♥
[09:36] <elky> ooh, like a pudding?
[09:36]  * jussi01 hasnt properly tried mämmi yet :P
[09:36] <Myrtti> mämmi with proper cream and touch of sugar is bliss
[09:36] <Myrtti> though *cough* I should have it with skimmed milk
[09:36]  * elky looks at all the [weasel words] in the article
[09:37] <Myrtti> Professor Hely Tuorila of Helsinki University conducted research in the United States of America as part of a project on the acceptance of ethnic foods. This was carried out in the early 1990s by the US Army Natick RD&E Center [10]. On the Food Neophobia Scale which resulted it found that on the whole: "Finnish foods did not do too well".
[09:37] <jussi01> [weasel words]?
[09:37] <Myrtti> LOL
[09:37] <Myrtti> *snork*
[09:37] <jussi01> hahah
[09:39] <elky> Myrtti, finnish foods are probably not nearly sweet, salty or fried enough
[09:39] <Myrtti> elky: yeah, our foods are bland at best
[09:40] <Myrtti> I should have some break... erm. brunch
[09:40] <topyli> they used to be salty (not that it helps) but the health mafia took even that away
[09:41] <Myrtti> mmmm butter
[09:41] <elky> salty is only ok with certain foods. potatoes for example
[09:41] <Myrtti> salty butter!
[09:41] <Myrtti> salty butter with new potatoes!
[09:41] <elky> i prefer my taters salty and greasy
[09:41] <elky> Myrtti, and garlic!
[09:41] <Myrtti> the most sinful dish ever invented
[09:42] <Myrtti> cooked new tatties with salty butter
[09:42] <Myrtti> it has the overload of everything bad
[09:42] <Myrtti> carbs, salt, hard fats
[09:42] <elky> baby taters with garlic butter is pure yum
[09:44] <Myrtti> though, of ingenious foods I think grouse spiced with juniper berries is quite nice
[09:45] <Myrtti> and spicy to the definition of spicy.
[10:01] <elky> topyli, i'm sure you're thinking the exact same thing i'm thinking right now about -women :P
[10:02] <topyli> elky: i am in fact thinking about women, but not the channel :)
[10:02] <elky> lol
[10:03] <topyli> women in rwanda actually. it's the only country with female majority in the parliament. of course, they're not particularly happy about it nevertheless :(
[10:05] <Myrtti> mmm, rye bread with tomatos and salad leaves and chevre, vanilla oat "yoghurt", french roast coffee with milk, orange juice.
[10:05] <Myrtti> I feel so bourgeois, even the juice is Tropicana!
[12:07] <Myrtti> I just love SIP - when both users use Ekiga.  this time is a remove
[12:17] <Myrtti> +1
[12:17] <bazhang> its nasty
[12:34] <elky> phew i think this means i went a day without having aprilhare pester me
[12:59] <ikonia> bazhang: sorry, slow response there
[13:00] <bazhang> ikonia, I warned him in -ru to no avail; trolling from there is zero tolerance after what happened in past
[13:00] <ikonia> I agree
[13:01] <ikonia> another "serverloft" user
[13:01] <bazhang> nice eye
[13:02] <elky> another, or the same?
[13:02] <ikonia> who knows
[13:03] <bazhang> not the same I would guess
[13:03] <ikonia> abra is using the same host in #ubuntu
[13:12] <ikonia> would it be possible to get "This channel is English only" added to the fist line of all loco-channel factoids
[13:13] <Myrtti> !fi
[13:13] <Myrtti> hmmm
[13:14] <Myrtti> ikonia: not really
[13:14] <ikonia> Myrtti: what does that translate to
[13:14] <Myrtti> Finnish discussion about (K)ubuntu on channels ...
[13:14] <Myrtti> ikonia: I was just thinking that the clones of ubottu are on several loco channels as well
[13:14] <ikonia> Myrtti: it would be nice to explain why they are hitting with the factoids, if they don't understand english it seems rude
[13:15] <ikonia> eg: the channel you are in is English only, if you want finish chat join #ubuntu-fi
[13:15] <Myrtti> so saying !se on -fi, having the factoid say "This channel is English only"
[13:16] <Myrtti> or in !ses' case "Denna kanal är för endast engelska diskussion om Ubuntu..."
[13:16] <Myrtti> when -fi is Finnish...
[13:18] <ikonia> just poindering as I hit a polish guy with !pt and it came across as "polish is there -> get out"
[13:18] <ikonia> only because I don't think he could understand english
[13:19] <Myrtti> !fi-#ubuntu is <reply> Tämä kanava on tarkoitettu vain englanninkieliselle keskustelulle. Jos haluat apua suomenkielistä (K)ubuntun ongelmiin, liity kanavalle #ubuntu-fi / #kubuntu-fi :-)
[13:19] <Myrtti> ikonia: for polish it would actually be !pl ;-)
[13:19] <ikonia> Myrtti: typo
[13:19] <ikonia> I think I did !pl
[13:20] <ikonia> (I hope I did )
[13:20] <Myrtti> topyli, Tm_T ^
[13:20] <ikonia> yeah, I did !pl, phew
[13:28] <bazhang> eh samuel-afk on the rampage
[13:28] <ikonia> just -uk left
[13:28] <ikonia> he refuses to discuss it in pm so I'm not going to allow him to kick off again
[13:29] <ikonia> starting in -uk now
[13:31] <Myrtti> again, one korean speaker...
[13:36] <elky> bed
[13:41] <ikonia> night elky
[13:43] <topyli> Myrtti: "... Jos haluat suomenkielistä apua..." not the other way around
[14:05] <bazhang> bleh.
[14:06] <Myrtti> topyli: true
[14:06] <Myrtti> !no fi-#ubuntu is <reply> Tämä kanava on tarkoitettu vain englanninkieliselle keskustelulle. Jos haluat suomenkielistä apua (K)ubuntun ongelmiin, liity kanavalle #ubuntu-fi / #kubuntu-fi :-)
[14:31] <bazhang> Cube3D, how may we help you
[14:31] <Cube3D> sorry, I want join in offtopic, no here:P
[14:31] <Cube3D> sorry and thanks:)
[14:31] <LjL> yeah i always type "ops" instead of "offtopic" too
[14:31] <LjL> common typo
[14:32] <bazhang> hehe
 I don't like logged channels
[14:38] <Myrtti> I'm looking at him...
[14:39] <bazhang> just unbanned from the 3rd it seems
[14:39] <LjL> that one should stay banned methinks
[14:39] <LjL> let me check again what he did though
[14:39] <bazhang> asia carrera?
[14:40] <bazhang> ^^a model of porsche?
[14:40] <Myrtti> banned?
[14:40] <Myrtti> an actress I think... I think he was on Wayne's World
[14:41] <LjL> ah uhm i hadn't banned him to begin with it would appear
[14:41] <LjL> now *that* was a mistake...
[14:41] <bazhang> oof
[14:42] <bazhang> nsfw actress actually
[14:42] <Myrtti> oh.
[14:42] <bazhang> no wonder he doesnt want logs
[14:42] <Myrtti> oh yeah, Tia Carrere was the one in Wayne's world
[14:42] <Myrtti> mixed that one up
[14:42] <bazhang> heh
[14:45] <bazhang> is wanting to do !no to people from .no addresses immature?
[14:46] <LjL> !no | bazhang
[14:46] <bazhang> yep
[14:46] <LjL> or rather yes but who cares
[14:47] <LjL> elky, did you put the words "terms of services" in the -ot topic? it makes me shiver. brrrr.
[14:48] <bazhang> yep EULA would be much nicer
[14:48] <LjL> [15:47:41] *** Shizuo has been kicked from the channel by Elidix (No trolling).
[14:48] <LjL> [15:47:41] --> Shizuo has joined this channel (i=shizuo@200-171-49-211.dsl.telesp.net.br).
[14:48] <LjL> [15:48:02] <Shizuo> alguien estava a conversar con LjL :D
[14:48] <LjL>  /kick bazhang
[14:48] <LjL> this is #kubuntu-es
[14:48] <bazhang> yeowch LjL
[15:10] <Myrtti> I've definitely worked too much
[15:10] <Myrtti> I couldn't install geo::ip on this machine
[15:11] <Myrtti> someone noted that my shellprovider has a geoip-yaml service
[15:11] <Myrtti> out came...
[15:11] <Myrtti> /exec - -window curl -s 'http://lakka.kapsi.fi:40086/lookup.yaml?host=<IP_ADDRESS>' | grep -e "iso" -e "country" | sed 's/\(\:[a-z]*\:\ \)\([^\n]*\)/\2/'
[15:12] <Myrtti> I need helå
[15:12] <Myrtti> help
[15:14] <gnomefreak> can someone please ban NZaP from #ubuntuforums? its sending spam in PM
[15:14] <bazhang> * [NZaP] (n=qwerty@pool-141-152-245-237.phil.east.verizon.net): q
[15:17] <LjL> query as ident, hmm
[15:18] <gnomefreak> uha as well
[15:19] <gnomefreak><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:19] <gnomefreak> name == q
[15:19] <LjL> gnn
[15:20] <LjL> there's also a Wicla in #ubuntu+1
[15:20] <LjL> might be unrelated
[15:21] <bazhang> ohlol is not reassuring
[15:22] <popey> who looks after #ubuntu-kernel, uha in there is a spamming racist
[15:22] <gnomefreak> lets find out ;)
[15:22] <gnomefreak> there too
[15:23] <LjL> popey: not the irc council
[15:23] <gnomefreak> i think its just kernel devs
[15:23] <LjL> quite
[15:23] <gnomefreak> or devs in general
[15:24] <LjL> popey: anyway i've told #fn about him, let's see
[15:24] <popey> ok
[15:31] <LjL> popey: although if all those channels added the irc council nickname to the op list, i suspect that would help a little.
[16:07] <Pricey> No longer an issue?
[16:09] <Pricey> bah, got times messed up, sort of
[16:56]  * Myrtti facepalms
[16:57] <Myrtti> I don't know how to explain what I want to Jihui_Choi without confusing him more
[16:57]  * Myrtti prods jpds ^
[16:58] <jpds> Myrtti: On it.
[16:58]  * Myrtti huggles jpds
[17:00] <jpds> :)
[19:55] <Myrtti> WTF
[19:55] <Myrtti> erhm
[19:55] <Myrtti> hello dux0r
[19:55] <Myrtti> how can we help you?
[19:58] <Flannel> He's forwarded.  Likely doesn't know he's even here.
[20:00] <dux0r> Who are you people? Get out of my kitchen
[20:01] <Myrtti> dux0r: we're the people who give you access to your kitchen
[20:03] <Myrtti> @bansearch dux0r
[20:03] <Myrtti> oh my.
[20:05] <Myrtti> two marks
[20:05]  * Myrtti prods LjL
[20:06] <Flannel> Myrtti: They're just two versions of the same forward.
[20:06] <Myrtti> unf, my tummy hurts, brb
[20:12] <Flannel> pak chooie unf.  pak chooie unf.
[21:16] <Myrtti> so
[21:16] <Flannel> sew
[21:16] <Myrtti> I just noticed that IceStar in his infinite wisdom had sent me a pm
[21:16] <Myrtti> to wish me happy International Womens Day.
[21:17] <Myrtti> I'm of course passively ignoring him
[21:17] <Myrtti> but my gawd it ticks me off
[21:30]  * genii sips
[21:31] <Seeker`> hyi
[21:32] <genii> Seeker`: Hiya :)
[21:34]  * genii brews a large pot of coffee
[21:40] <LjL> Myrtti: bad quit message
[21:40] <LjL> (very bad)
[21:48] <Flannel> LjL: He's in -ot now
[21:48] <Flannel> oh
[21:48] <Flannel> you know that.
[21:48]  * Flannel ought to ... yeah.
[21:52] <LjL> he might be in here soon too.
[21:53] <Flannel> LjL: What's the deal with bruce in #u?
[21:53] <Flannel> I'm puzzled.  Looking for second opinion.
[21:53] <Myrtti> bruce?
[21:53] <LjL> Flannel: mark a @mark
[21:53] <Flannel> LjL: I'm not sure its malice, could just be confusion/etc
[21:55] <LjL> Flannel: that's why it's just a re@mark.
[22:01] <Myrtti> the trolls aren't entertaining tonight
[22:02] <LjL> he's coming.
[22:02] <LjL> prepare.
[22:02] <Flannel> Nope, rather boring.
[22:02] <balzac> hello
[22:02] <LjL> Flannel: who's boring?
[22:02] <Flannel> LjL: Puppies.
[22:02] <LjL> hi.
[22:03] <balzac> I came here to complain because I thought I was "handled" with a bit too much efficiency by some op(s) in #ubuntu
[22:03] <Myrtti> when and which ops?
[22:03] <LjL> that would be flannel and i, i believe
[22:03] <balzac> I think IRC operators shouldn't behave like mall cops
[22:03] <Myrtti> you're entitled to your opinion
[22:03] <Myrtti> however, the channel rules are quite clear
[22:04] <balzac> well, I know the ops have some discretion on when to enforce policies
[22:04] <Flannel> balzac: We believe people who visit our support rooms should follow the rules, as well.
[22:04] <balzac> and some idle chatter happens, even in support channels
[22:04] <Flannel> balzac: Yes, but your chatter wasn't idle.
[22:04] <balzac> right, but there is usually a bit of tolerance for non-compliance
[22:04] <balzac> I wanted to directly raise an issue
[22:05] <balzac> but I was offered a channel called #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:05] <LjL> balzac, there's tolerance only to the extent that you are warned a first time.
[22:05] <LjL> and a second time.
[22:05] <LjL> and sometimes a third time.
[22:05] <balzac> ever since the first time I was invited to move my conversation to such a badly-named channel, I was put off by it
[22:05] <LjL> eventually, you get your kick/ban
[22:05] <balzac> it devalues the discussion to call it #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:06] <balzac> as if you only want the conversation to be among insiders
[22:06] <LjL> your continued statement that #ubuntu-offtopic is "badly named" offends me a bit. i'm very much into that channel.
[22:06] <balzac> well, I was not in a hurry to go to #ubuntu-offtopic because the name seems to discourage conversation
[22:06] <Seeker`> balzac: what do you mean "insiders", and how does it discourage converstaion
[22:07] <balzac> well, this is a problem with many of the "open source" project channels on freenode, not just ubuntu
[22:07] <Flannel> balzac: I wasn't aware that "offtopic" was a synonym for "don't talk".  Where do I find such an up to date dictionary?  Mine's obviously antiquated.
[22:07] <balzac> I think it's the corporate influence
[22:07] <Seeker`> balzac: you are'nt answering the question
[22:08] <balzac> Seeker`: by insiders I mean this: I get the feeling that the most influential discussions aren't happening in #ubuntu-offtopic, nor in #ubuntu
[22:08] <balzac> It may be happening in a Canonical conference room
[22:09] <balzac> I'm just asking for a bit more hospitality in the "lobby"
[22:09] <Seeker`> a lot of the influential discussions are happening on the relevant channels, where it is ontopic for that channel
[22:09] <LjL> neither channel is *intended* to make "influential" discussions at all.
[22:09] <Seeker`> #ubuntu isn't the "lobby", it is the support channel
[22:09] <balzac> yeah, and that's why the channel is called #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:09] <Flannel> balzac: -offtopic is for chatting, not making decisions, there are other channels for that purpose.
[22:09] <LjL> #ubuntu is for support, and #ubuntu-offtopic is for general mostly ubuntu-related discussion. neither is to make decisions about anything
[22:09] <LjL> and ubot4 is an idiot.
[22:09] <Seeker`> LjL: agreed
[22:10] <Myrtti> agreed
[22:10] <balzac> it is meant to devalue the conversation that happens there because the corporate guys don't care to invite the general public to discuss the most important topics of conversation
[22:10] <balzac> LjL: I can see that, and I don't really think it's the best way
[22:10] <Seeker`> balzac: #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic are not the only two ubuntu channels
[22:11] <balzac> Why doesn't Ubuntu have a user-moderated forum?
[22:11] <Seeker`> it does
[22:11] <balzac> why not a user-moderated irc chat?
[22:11] <Seeker`> it does
[22:11] <balzac> user-moderated?
[22:11] <Seeker`> everyone in this channel is a user
[22:11] <Myrtti> balzac: if you want to participate in the discussion elsewhere you ask "hey guys, I've got a question about this and that, and I was wondering who I should contact and what would be the best channel for the discussion about this and that"
[22:11] <balzac> no, we have ops, and then we have people who are a nuisance
[22:11] <Seeker`> a very small proportion are actually emplyed by canonical
[22:12] <LjL> balzac: it might not be the best way, but it's tried, mostly works, etc
[22:12] <balzac> why are so many "open source" projects so disinterested in the most egalitarian social software?
[22:12] <balzac> it has to be the influence of corporate culture
[22:12] <LjL> that's not our concern
[22:12] <LjL> try #politics
[22:12] <balzac> apparently it isn't
[22:12] <jdong> how many in here are paid by Canonical again?
[22:12] <Myrtti> Nafallo
[22:12] <Myrtti> none other that I know of
[22:12] <LjL> jdong: they give me a grand a week.
[22:13] <LjL> jdong: wait, no they don't, they might sue me if they see me claiming that.
[22:13] <jdong> LjL: no no not payment for THAT thing you do ;-)
[22:13] <balzac> I'm an entrepreneur myself and I'm eager to make money. That's not my issue.
[22:13] <Myrtti> oh, and Ursinha
[22:13]  * Nafallo knows of others, but up to them if they want to disclose their employeer :-)
[22:13] <LjL> jdong: now they might sue you too
[22:13] <jdong> lol
[22:13] <jdong> my point is, I doubt anyone employed by Canonical actually made any of the rules here :)
[22:13] <Flannel> Myrtti: Urs inha isn't an op in #ubuntu though
[22:13] <Myrtti> Flannel: neither is Nafallo ;-)
[22:13] <Flannel> Myrtti: ah, well then.
[22:13] <LjL> Nafallo: well, there's someone with an awful taste for humor...
[22:14] <balzac> jdong: Almost every one of these major channels has corporate culture influencing the way it runs
[22:14] <Nafallo> LjL: are you sure?
[22:14] <Myrtti> balzac: #ubuntu is run by the common sense
[22:14] <LjL> nalioth: i'm never sure of anything
[22:14] <balzac> You know what, I think Mark Shuttleworth does a pretty good job, reconciling various groups and interests.
[22:15] <LjL> even what mark shuttleworth does is not really relevant to this channel.
[22:15] <Myrtti> of "omg we have 1400 people discussing about their problems with Ubuntu software, perhaps that's what the channel should be about and other channels could be for development and other issues!"
[22:15] <balzac> But he recently said something discouraging people from being overly critical.
[22:15] <jdong> balzac: corporate culture, huh?
[22:15] <balzac> I think the problem is that people aren't critical enough of each other.
[22:15] <jdong> that's news to me.
[22:15] <LjL> balzac: i'm quite critical of you, if that makes you feel any better
[22:15] <jdong> because the rules and operators for the most part are volunteers.
[22:16]  * Myrtti makes a cross stich wall sign
[22:16] <Myrtti> [00:15] < balzac> I think the problem is that people aren't critical enough of each  other.
[22:16] <balzac> LjL: people should be comfortable being a lot more critical
[22:16] <Myrtti> I claim that as The Quote of this discussion
[22:16] <LjL> balzac: in the right places. not in #ubuntu.
[22:17] <balzac> I think this is the best channel in which to discuss ubuntu
[22:17] <balzac> unless I'm asking for technical support
[22:17] <Seeker`> balzac: you'd be wrong there
[22:17] <LjL> no, this is the channel where to discuss Ubuntu IRC operators related issues
[22:17] <balzac> Seeker`: maybe so, and maybe not.
[22:17] <Myrtti> this is for Ubuntu IRC main channels issues
[22:17] <Myrtti> nothing more
[22:17] <jdong> balzac: actually, based on channel rules you *are* wrong :)
[22:17] <balzac> Suppose I got hired by Canonical and became an op.
[22:17] <Myrtti> loco channel issues are at #ubuntu-irc
[22:17] <LjL> it says so in the topic.
[22:18] <balzac> jdong: it doesn't make me wrong from then on to break the rules at some point.
[22:18] <Myrtti> balzac: again, being employed by Canonical doesn't mean that you'll become an op
[22:18] <LjL> jdong: oh lord, you realize what you just said makes him right?
[22:18] <Seeker`> balzac: ops arent' necessarily canonical employees, and canonical employees aren't automatically ops
[22:18] <Myrtti> Canonical has very little to do with Ubuntu in reality. Most things are handled by the community
[22:19] <balzac> I'm not the kind of guy who gets hired anyway. I have to get my own company going because I'm not as eager to get along as most people in big companies.
[22:19] <LjL> somehow doesn't surprise me
[22:19] <balzac> corporate culture is pretty emasculated, even in cool companies
[22:19] <jdong> I still don't see where you're going with this, though.
[22:19] <Myrtti> so what was the issue here again?
[22:19] <LjL> jdong: lennahc siht fo tou?
[22:20] <Myrtti> balzac doesn't like to be told off to join another channel where his idle chatter is more tolerated
[22:20] <Seeker`> i think the discussion lost all sense of purpose about 10 mins ago. Perhaps it should end now.
[22:20] <balzac> any company over a certain size imposes certain indignities on the employees
[22:20] <balzac> Myrtti: I don't like the name #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:20] <LjL> ok, quick poll
[22:20] <LjL> shall we change the name of #ubuntu-offtopic?
[22:20] <LjL> i vote no
[22:20] <balzac> if it were #ubuntu-open-discussion or something, I would have been happy to go there
[22:20] <Myrtti> no
[22:20] <jdong> no.
[22:21] <Seeker`> no
[22:21] <Gary> yes
[22:21] <Seeker`> balzac: a rose by any other name...
[22:21] <Gary> oh, I mean no
[22:21] <LjL> Gary: gah.
[22:21] <LjL> Gary: gah-ry.
[22:22] <Gary> hehe, my mom says it like that
[22:22] <Myrtti> ♥
[22:22] <LjL> anyway, so it seems we aren't changing the -ot channel name
[22:22] <balzac> Maybe we need a distro which is porn-friendly, drug-friendly, and all of those things which many adults consider to be normal.
[22:22] <LjL> anything else?
[22:22] <LjL> hmhm
[22:22] <LjL> maybe we do
[22:22] <LjL> that's not Ubuntu though
[22:22] <bazhang> * [jillsmitt] (n=jillsmit@<IP_ADDRESS>): Jill Smitt
[22:22] <LjL> that's not even up for discussion, really
[22:22] <LjL> so, anything else?
[22:22] <Seeker`> balzac: off you go and create one then. Have fun.
[22:23] <bazhang> clearly trolling in #k as of a whiile ago
[22:23] <balzac> then we can see who wins the gnu/linux distro popularity contest - the adult-freedom distro, or the bland corporate distro
[22:23] <Seeker`> ok balzac, seeya
[22:23] <bazhang> balzac, please stop
[22:23] <balzac> maybe it'll be down-stream from #ubuntu
[22:23] <Myrtti> balzac: feel free to compete in India and China and muslim Indonesia with that
[22:23] <Myrtti> anything else?
[22:23] <Seeker`> why is this discussion still happening?
[22:23] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[22:23] <Gary> balzac: those topics are offtopic for the whole network, let alone ubuntu-* channels
[22:24] <balzac> for the whole network?
[22:24] <Seeker`> can someone do something about it then please?
[22:24] <balzac> Gary: are you a freenode admin?
[22:24] <balzac> Seeker`: maybe it is I who will do something about this
[22:24] <Myrtti> Seeker`: I have a feeling this is going to end soon
[22:24] <balzac> I have a lot of patience for bureaucratic engagement
[22:24] <Gary> balzac: I am staff yes, and porn and drugs are offtopic on freenode, see ya
[22:24] <Myrtti> balzac: good luck and godspeed!
[22:24] <bazhang> LjL, thanks
[22:24] <LjL> Gary: i think you might want to discuss those issues with balzac in #freenode, as they're not ontopic for this channel.
[22:24] <balzac> Gary: I'm going to ask questions and challenge that
[22:25] <Myrtti> wohooo!
[22:25] <balzac> This sounds more like prisonnode than freenode
[22:25] <Seeker`> balzac: noone is forcing you to be here
[22:25] <Seeker`> thankyou
[22:26] <genii> That was interesting
[22:26] <Seeker`> I'd have dont it myself about 10 mins ago if i could >.<
[22:26] <bazhang> he's in -ot
[22:26] <Myrtti> not for long if I can have a guess
[22:26] <bazhang> hehe
[22:26] <jpds> Right.
[22:27] <Gary> i'd wait to see what he says in #freenode first btw
[22:27] <genii> LjL: Hehe
[22:28] <LjL> Gary: don't worry, i've only kicked him. he can be back.
[22:29] <Flannel> Hi Y0sh1, how can we help you?
[22:29] <Seeker`> hi Y0sh1 how can we help you?
[22:29] <bazhang> jinx
[22:29] <LjL> hi Y0sh1, how can we help you?
[22:29] <Seeker`> :O
[22:29] <Y0sh1> ;]
[22:29] <LjL> he might have felt it a little intimidating.
[22:29] <LjL> *shrug*
[22:30] <Myrtti> @bansearch y0sh1
[22:30] <Flannel> dag nabbit Myrtti.
[22:30] <Flannel> Shouldve done that 10 seconds earlier, saved me the trouble ;)
[22:31] <Nafallo> ha
[22:35] <jussi01> oh lovely conversation with balzac in #freenode
[22:35] <LjL> ping 0
[22:38]  * genii slides jussi01 a coffee
[22:39] <genii> Is #freenode logged? I wouldn't mind reading that convo but don't care to visit
[22:39] <Gary> ooow, coffee, sounds nice
[22:39]  * jussi01 politely refuses... too late for coffee
[22:39] <Gary> genii: probably, but not offically
[22:39] <jussi01> Gary: can have it
[22:40] <LjL> gary will give you the logs, for, err.
[22:40] <Gary> LjL: I don't/can't share logs
[22:40] <genii> jussi01: Just wanted to let you know again how glad I am the core is back up, btw
[22:40] <LjL> Gary: sure sure.
[22:41] <jussi01> genii: :D
[22:41]  * Myrtti rolls her eyes
[22:41] <bazhang> fyi jillsmitt of foul language and other not niceness fame in #kubuntu is also trouble (and has been removed/banned) in -ru
[22:42] <Gary> LjL: mostly as I have not figured out how to get me logs properly :p /shame/
[22:42] <bazhang> if he shows up here from a forward that is
[22:42] <Myrtti> Gary: tsktsk
[22:43] <Gary> I phail :'(
[22:43] <LjL> Gary: oh then i can give you mine, for, err.
[22:43] <LjL> bazhang: he's also forwarded from #k
[22:44] <bazhang> LjL, sorry, was referring to the forward you set; he is straight banned from -ru
[22:44] <LjL> ok
[22:44] <bazhang> ugh work cya later
[22:45] <Myrtti> I had a thought.
[22:45] <LjL> EVERYBODY HIDE
[22:45] <Myrtti> then I lost it.
[22:46] <LjL> you can all come back.
[22:46] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/128519/
[22:47] <tomaw> Myrtti thoughts seem to be mostl of unbanning people
[22:48] <LjL> Myrtti: it doesn't have to be *empty* you know, just manageable...
[22:49] <Myrtti> LjL: I was just wondering about some of those bans I didn't check yesterday
[22:49] <Gary> do a clear :p
[22:49] <LjL> Myrtti: on some of them, *the* thing to do is to turn them into permbans
[22:49]  * Gary goes and hides
[22:49] <jpds> Myrtti: /msg ChanServ clear #ubuntu bans
[22:49] <LjL> Gary: you can't. you can run, at least you can try.
[22:52] <Myrtti> LjL: the council should discuss on some of them to really turn them into such
[22:53] <LjL> Myrtti: i know (besides, we can't physically set them, the council has to)
[23:00] <Myrtti> anyway, I removed one ban and added another
[23:00] <Myrtti> I'm off to bed.
[23:00] <Myrtti> nini kids.
[23:02] <genii> Myrtti: Sweet dreams