[00:00] <erle-> Turski, it is
[00:00] <erle-> every core 2 chip is
[00:00] <Turski> oh, lol
[00:00] <dotech> you can run 32-bit on it of course, but 64-bit would be 8-12% faster if you have <=4gb of ram
[00:00] <dotech> even better if you have > 4gb
[00:00] <erle-> thats the major difference between core duo and core 2 duo
[00:00] <Turski> i have always thought that it's 32-bit
[00:00] <Turski> and i have c2d too :D
[00:00] <dotech> c2q here
[00:00] <erle-> Turski, check /proc/cpuinfo
[00:00] <dotech> it was on sale :)
[00:01] <erle-> you will find a flag "lm" for long mode
[00:01] <pvandewyngaerde> i have 64 bit and 4 GiB of RAM
[00:01] <larson9999> i got this vsmile handheld and a gba pre backlit.  i should be able to merge those and have backlight.
[00:01] <dotech> erle-, ill try manually writing the ext3 fs
[00:01] <Thib_> anybody?
[00:02] <Thib_> surely the device manager hasn't disappeared
[00:02] <Turski> erle-: yeh, it's there
[00:02] <pvandewyngaerde> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow rep_good
[00:02] <Thib_> I'm just disoriented from 7.10 to 8.04
[00:02] <Turski> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts pni monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr lahf_lm
[00:03] <erle64-> my isp is ...
[00:03] <erle64-> no stable connection today..
[00:03] <larson9999> this old pc is so fast, i can't imagine what i'd do with IP-35 pro motherboard, intel core 2 quad, 8gb memory, using 64-bit
[00:04] <erle64-> larson9999, media encoding
[00:04] <erle64-> encryption
[00:04] <erle64-> zipping
[00:04] <dotech> hahah
[00:04] <erle64-> ...
[00:04] <erle64-> :D
[00:04] <dotech> thats why i got it, sick of my unit tests taking 30 seconds
[00:04] <larson9999> erle64-, well, i do that already.
[00:04] <dotech> i want them done in milliseconds
[00:04] <larson9999> not big on encrypting though
[00:05] <dotech> the cpu is only 18C right now too, i should be able to overclock it to 3.6ghz
[00:05] <erle64-> my core2 duo 2 ghz laptop cpu is 5 times faster than my pentium 4 desktop 3.4 ghz
[00:05] <dotech> its 2.4ghz stock
[00:05] <erle64-> when encoding dvd-ripped video data
[00:05] <larson9999> maybe i'm just too slow
[00:05] <Thib_> hal-device-manager
[00:05] <Thib_> oh, hmm, apparently it's not on 8.04
[00:05] <Thib_> there is only hal-device.
[00:06] <erle64-> dotech, the fs tools if hardy are from march 13th
[00:06] <erle64-> maybe there is a bug in mke2fs
[00:07] <larson9999> says i got to reboot
[00:08] <erle64-> dotech, are you shure that you can overclock that much?
[00:08] <Daisuke-Ido> erle-, let him blow it up :)
[00:08] <erle64-> Daisuke-Ido, i don't think that it starts burning
[00:09] <erle64-> but it will not work correct
[00:09] <Thib_> so, the idea is that if the restricted hardware dialog tells me that the wireless LAN driver is "enabled" and "in use" then my wireless should work
[00:09] <Thib_> but I don't see it anywhere
[00:09] <clarezoe> anyone can help, urgent, I can't connect to internet any more
[00:09] <Thib_> *restricted drivers dialog
[00:10] <Thib_> only the wired interface appears in the network manager app, ifconfig and iwconfig
[00:10] <erle64-> what driver? what card?
[00:11] <dotech> haha sweeet
[00:11] <dotech> my headphone amp works in hardy
[00:11] <dotech> burrbrown dacs for the win
[00:11] <Jordan_U> clarezoe, Wired or Wireless?
[00:12] <clarezoe> wired
[00:13] <Jordan_U> clarezoe, Can you do tests in Ubuntu without disconnecting from this channel?
[00:13] <clarezoe> I started to solve the wireless problem, now wired doens't work either
[00:13] <clarezoe> Jordan_U yes
[00:14] <erle64-> kernel update coming in... :D
[00:14] <dotech> damn the guided partitioning makes my swap 10GB!
[00:14] <Thib_> Atheros something...
[00:14] <x1250> lol
[00:14] <clarezoe> I'm using another computer, but maybe it's hard to copy and past the testing output
[00:14] <Jordan_U> clarezoe, What happens when you run "sudo ifconfig eth0 && sudo dhclient eth0" ?
[00:14] <Thib_> I'm not sure which because it doesn't appear anywhere in dmesg or anywhere I can look at
[00:15] <erle64-> dotech, that really much
[00:15] <dotech> yea haha
[00:15] <erle64-> do you think that you will ever need a single byte of swap space? :D
[00:15] <dotech> nope
[00:16] <clarezoe> Jordan_U, there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pkd with pid 134519072 internet system consortium DHCP client V3.0.6
[00:16] <dotech> unless i have a very bad memory leak :)
[00:16] <Thib_> the kind of wireless card is not listed on the specs page or in the specs section of the owner's manual :-|
[00:16] <Thib_> is there anywhere I can find out from? dmesg?
[00:16] <erle64-> i have 2 gigs of ram and i never have seen any swapping
[00:16] <clarezoe> Jordan_U, listening on LPF/eth0/00:08:2d:71:04
[00:17] <dotech> i do bring most systems to their knees but 8gb is more than i've ever had the chance to play with
[00:17] <dotech> this may very well be too much machine for me to handle
[00:17] <dotech> that being one of my favorite lines from Hackers the movie
[00:19] <dotech> of course, RISC is good being the best :)
[00:19] <erle64-> at my university i sometimes work on a solaris/sparc machine with 16 gigs - but there are most of the time 10 to 50 persons working at the same time on that machine
[00:19] <dotech> at work i run parallel builds on 32 CPUs, that takes it down to 0% idle
[00:19] <dotech> that will happen here too, but the memory is another story
[00:20] <dotech> my code is always low in complexity so the compiler has it easy
[00:20] <erle64-> the 4 cores will spend much time with waiting for the memory ;)
[00:20] <dotech> i could test it out with 10 layers of nested switch statements
[00:20] <dotech> see how the optimizer deals iwth that ;)
[00:20] <clarezoe> Jordan_U, thanks, I solved, I modified the dhclient.conf file that causes the problem
[00:21] <dotech> erle64-, i don't have /dev/sda1
[00:21] <erle64-> dotech, what compiler do you use? (what language)
[00:21] <dotech> yet when i do fdisk on /dev/sda it has 3 partitions
[00:22] <dotech> anything really, C primarily but i love it all
[00:22] <dotech> gcc for C
[00:22] <dotech> PPC assembly too but thats only useful for embedded network devices these days
[00:23] <erle64-> brb
[00:23] <Thib_> well
[00:23] <Thib_> it's really not working out
[00:23] <dotech> so im curious how i have partitions on sda but they don't have a corresponding device
[00:23] <dotech> thats new to me
[00:23] <Thib_> I cannot figure out by myself how to extract the list of my recognized hardware
[00:24] <dotech> lspci?
[00:24] <Jordan_U> Thib_, lshw ?
[00:24] <Thib_> on 7.10 I used to use hal-device-manager which is also in the Systems menu
[00:24] <boxybrown> I tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto on hardy and i get "sending of password did not succeed. Mail server <IP_ADDRESS> responded: chdir Maildir failed"
[00:24] <Thib_> but it doesn't come with 8.04
[00:24] <boxybrown> im not sure if its because the guide isnt intended for hardy or what
[00:25] <Thib_> lshw ? I'll try that
[00:25] <dotech> /sys/block/sda/sda1, i guess things have moved around since i last used linux
[00:26] <dotech> rather, since i last upgraded
[00:26] <Thib_> is it supposed to take a long time to scan?
[00:26] <Thib_> it says PCI (sysfs) and then hangs.
[00:26] <Thib_> I mean, I don't suppose it is really hanging, but I mean, it isn't doing anything visible.
[00:27] <Jordan_U> Why does the hardware test say that it is impossible to detect the current resolution with fglrx? "The following resolution was detected for your display: impossible with fglrx Is this a good resolution for your display?
[00:28] <dotech> what block size does the installer try to make?
[00:28] <Jordan_U> Thib_, Takes a few seconds for me
[00:29] <Thib_> mine is still hanging
[00:29] <Thib_> 'top' says it's using 100% of one CPU
[00:29] <Thib_> (allegedly)
[00:32] <dotech> is there a way to see what the installer is actually doing?
[00:32] <dotech> some log i can tail perhaps?
[00:33] <Jordan_U> Thib_, It does warn that it should be run as root ( though I have never had problems before, and unless Device Manager is set ID it doesn't run as root either )
[00:33] <Thib_> I tried running it as me or as root
[00:34] <Thib_> any other ways of listing existing hardware?
[00:34] <Thib_> I don't think my wireless hardware is being seen at all
[00:34] <Thib_> but I don't know how to ... determine that
[00:35] <Thib_> I see the wired interface if I pay close attention to dmesg or lshal
[00:35] <Thib_> but I don't see any mention of the wireless one anywhere
[00:36] <Jordan_U> Thib_, lspci
[00:36] <Thib_> except in the restricted drivers dialog, which tells me it's enabled an Atheros driver for wireless LAN cards, so, clearly, some part of my system has detected a wireless card and found that it was Atheros...
[00:36] <Thib_> (even I couldn't find that from the specs)
[00:36] <Thib_> lspci ... let's see
[00:37] <Thib_> aha, here it is
[00:37] <Thib_> last line
[00:37] <dotech> ubiquity keeps crashing
[00:37] <dotech> where can i get the core dump? :)
[00:37] <Thib_> Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> Thib_: ah.. I have one of those! you need ndiswrapper
[00:38] <dotech> Error in blink(), sweet :)
[00:38] <Thib_> what's ndiswrapper?
[00:38] <dotech> hockey time, bbl
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> !ndiswrapper
[00:38] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:38] <Thib_> (forgive my continued show of ignorance)
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> its ok... it uses windows drivers.
[00:38] <nosrednaekim> and interfaces them to the linux kernel
[00:39] <Thib_> er
[00:39] <Ibycu1> hi all, found a bug in nautilus (or gvfs), how do I find out debugging information for it that i can submit with a bug report?
[00:39] <teamcobra> I thought the atheros cards were well supported?
[00:39] <Thib_> which one of the many links do I click?
[00:40] <Thib_> at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:40] <Thib_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29 ?
[00:41] <Thib_> is that it, nosrednaekim ?
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> teamcobra: not this one
[00:41] <Thib_> note that I might not be able to install anything easily if my wireless isn't working.
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> teamcobra: I suppose this computer came with Vista?
[00:41] <Thib_> [chuckles]
[00:41] <nosrednaekim> Thib_: sorry... I was meaning you
[00:42] <nosrednaekim> Thib_: ndiswrapper should be included on the CD
[00:42] <Thib_> oh
[00:42] <Thib_> hmm
[00:42] <Thib_> let me pop the CD in
[00:44] <derspankster> ndiswrapper is available in synaptic
[00:44] <Thib_> I see it now
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> derspankster: what I meant was it was on the Cdrom repository
[00:45] <derspankster> oh, ok
[00:46] <Thib_> nosrednaekim: Synaptic isn't cooperating, it keeps asking me to insert the 8.04 beta CD no matter how many times I insert it into the drive
[00:46] <Thib_> I'm therefore doing something wrong.
[00:47] <Thib_> I added the 8.04 CD in "software sources"
[00:47] <lubosz> zomg
[00:47] <lubosz> gdmgreeter is crashing balls
[00:47] <lubosz> after yesterdays update
[00:48] <lubosz> i have to use gdmlogin now oO
[00:48] <lubosz> not quite eye candy
[00:48] <Thib_> sigh
[00:48] <Thib_> well, it's beta software
[00:48] <ethana2> aaand firefox just exploded again
[00:48] <Thib_> I'd hoped it'd work better out of the box
[00:49] <Thib_> I'm just going to burn and install 7.10 for now
[00:49] <Thib_> I hope it'll work better
[00:49] <ethana2> Thib_: have fun running massive updates
[00:49] <lubosz> hardy works nicely
[00:49] <ethana2> ^_^
[00:49] <ethana2> generally speaking, yes it does
[00:49] <lubosz> 7.10 is old school
[00:49] <ethana2> beta4 of FF3 is a little... unstable
[00:49] <ethana2> 7.10 is /old/
[00:49] <lubosz> hm, ff3 runs well for me
[00:49] <ethana2> the hardware drivers...  eucch
[00:49] <Thib_> the choice isn't very hard between massive updates, and no wireless + 800x600 resolution.
[00:49] <derspankster> lubosz: agreed
[00:50] <ethana2> oh
[00:50] <ethana2> I see
[00:50] <Thib_> but that's assuming 7.10 will work with my new laptop -- maybe it won't either
[00:50] <teamcobra> thib: wait
[00:51] <teamcobra> instead of thrashing your install, is there any way you can put the machine in question on a wired connection?
[00:51] <lubosz> Thib_: you tried 8.04 and its not working?
[00:51] <teamcobra> just until you get wireless up (like 2 mins, esp if using ndis-gtk  (available in synaptic, will appear under system/administration/windows wireless drivers)
[00:51] <Thib_> it is on a wired connection, and it keeps saying "network is unreachable"
[00:52] <Thib_> I'm really having a lot of problems :-(
[00:52] <teamcobra> try opening up a console, doing a "sudo ifconfig eth0 up ; sudo dhclient eth0"
[00:52] <teamcobra> without quotes
[00:52] <Thib_> the network I'm on doesn't have DHCP, I have a statically assigned IP address
[00:52] <Thib_> so I configured that.
[00:52] <teamcobra> oh, ok.... then 1 sec
[00:54] <teamcobra> make sure the settings in /etc/network/interfaces match the static ip settings you're using
[00:55] <teamcobra> and that /etc/resolv.conf has your dns servers in there
[00:55] <akk> network unreachable usually means that the gateway is wrong, doesn't it? (or IP addy not configured at all)
[00:56] <Thib_> ok
[00:56] <Thib_> I have connectivity now
[00:56] <Thib_> via the wired
[00:56] <Thib_> I'll try installing ndis* with Synaptic or Aptitude or something, over the network instead of over the CD
[00:57] <teamcobra> wait
[00:57] <teamcobra> just install ndis-gtk
[00:58] <teamcobra> and it'll install the required deps
[00:58] <teamcobra> then, go to system/administration/windows wireless drivers, point it to the proper inf file, hit ok, and reboot.... ndiswrapper joy
[00:59] <teamcobra> it might be in universe/multiverse, not 100% positive
[01:00] <teamcobra> but it'll make it a bit easier on you install on a machine that needs ndiswrapper (hopefully, never again ;) )
[01:01] <gaminggeek> can someone here help me get my wacom tablet working in hardy?
[01:03] <Thib_> my wireless card is not listed here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_a/
[01:03] <Thib_> what now...
[01:04] <blueyed> Is the black window bug with nvidia-glx-new back? or is it me using linux-server?
[01:05] <Thib_> oh well
[01:05] <Thib_> I have to go now
[01:05] <Thib_> I spent all afternoon trying to set up this new laptop
[01:05] <Gnine> !topic
[01:05] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[01:06] <blueyed> Gnine: ?
[01:06] <Thib_> are you saying that because of the "Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system (including broken dependencies), and how to fix it when it breaks, before installing Hardy" bit?
[01:07] <Thib_> I thought I knew how to administer and fix my Ubuntu machines and the Ubuntu machines at my work
[01:07] <Thib_> but I guess I'm assuming a slightly higher starting point
[01:07] <Gnine> i just wanted to check out the topic
[01:08] <Thib_> oh :-)
[01:08] <Thib_> well, it's okay you didn't mean to criticize me; I meant to criticize me.
[01:08] <Thib_> I'm not a wiz but I thought I could do stuff, but in this instance, the out-of-the-box state is too complicated for me
[01:09] <Thib_> no wireless, most dialog boxes have their OK and Cancel buttons off screen because the graphics card isn't recognized, I mean... it's unworkable for a little guy like me :-(
[01:09] <Thib_> I'm hoping 7.10 will work better
[01:09] <Thib_> thanks everyone
[01:11] <gaminggeek> has anyone got a wacom tablet to go in hardy?
[01:11] <gaminggeek> mine sorta works
[01:12] <Dr_willis> ive got one of those tablets. not ttried it in hardy. in gutsy i had to add some entries to the xorg.conf i recall.
[01:12] <gaminggeek> if I touch the tablet with the the pen it works but not how it should it should work just by hovering over it
[01:12] <gaminggeek> the lines are not in hardy
[01:12] <Dr_willis> Right - the new xorg.conf style is very minimal. You may have to add the lines.
[01:12] <gaminggeek> what are they?
[01:12] <Dr_willis> The whole minimal xorg.conf  - is causing quite a few issues with 'unusual' systems.
[01:13] <Dr_willis> I  got the entry info from the wacom docs installed with the wacom packages.
[01:13] <gaminggeek> its very annoying
[01:13] <blueyed> Dr_willis: could this also be the reason for keycodes sent by acpi_fakekey (acpi-support, ..) to get lost? If they aren't visible in xev..
[01:14] <gaminggeek> *sigh* I wish this worked out of the box :/
[01:14] <Dr_willis> blueyed,  perhaps. Im not too up on that deeper stuff :)
[01:14] <Dr_willis> I though the wacom tablets were enabled out of the box on the older releases.. and everyone hated it.. :)
[01:15] <blueyed> Dr_willis: me neither.. but there are quite few such bugs around.. but /me is still using the previous xorg.conf, so it's unlikeyl.
[01:15] <Dr_willis> at least the entries for somthing was in the default xorg.conf. caused a lot of 'warnings' that confused people.
[01:15] <blueyed> Dr_willis: yes, that was for the wacoms.
[01:16] <blueyed> Dr_willis: it made a lot of people think that was a root cause for another issue when looking at the console output for finding a bug.
[01:16] <Dr_willis> so he could find an older xorg.conf, and  use the info from it.
[01:16] <gaminggeek> why dont they have a "wacom" config with a script that you run?
[01:17] <blueyed> gaminggeek: they? You don't have it.. ;)
[01:18]  * blueyed has the nvidia black window bug again, on linux-server kernel.
[01:18] <dotech> ok back for the intermission, have to figure out why the installer can't create ext3
[01:18] <blueyed> gaminggeek: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[01:18] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  following that logic we would have 100000 scripts for every occasion.. and that gets to be a mess.
[01:18] <blueyed> (gg: wacom xorg.conf)
[01:19] <blueyed> Dr_willis: well, we should support it, without the mess.
[01:19] <Dr_willis> ive seen some disrtos that do that sort of 'thing'  with scripts.
[01:19] <gaminggeek> blueyed: the lines arnt there anymore we have been over this
[01:19] <Dr_willis> blueyed,  they did.. and it caused problems.. so its a catch22 problem.
[01:20] <blueyed> pm-utils is much nicer than acpi-support for example..
[01:20] <Dr_willis> it took me all of 10 min to get it going on my other system. Ijust read the wacom docs in /usr/share/wacom (i think) and cut/pasted, restarted X
[01:20] <blueyed> gaminggeek: I've thought you needed the lines for your wacom?
[01:20] <Dr_willis> you CAN put the lines in xorg.conf to manually configure things
[01:20] <gaminggeek> blueyed: i added them and it crashed X
[01:20] <Dr_willis> i may have to go track down my tablet for this pc...
[01:20] <blueyed> gaminggeek: like how?
[01:21] <gaminggeek> like it put it in bullet proof X mode
[01:21] <blueyed> gaminggeek: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please.
[01:21] <blueyed> gaminggeek: from the crash.. so might be .1. instead.
[01:21] <dotech> /var/log/installer/debug thats what i was looking for
[01:22] <dotech> Permission denied: '/proc/24967/environ'
[01:22] <gaminggeek> blueyed: this was weeks aqo
[01:22] <dotech> weird, its failing to create Cairo haha
[01:22] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i wonder if you have the  wacom-tools package instgalled..
[01:22] <blueyed> gaminggeek: try again please.. I just had the bullet proof X because of missing linux-restricted-modules (nvidia driver), so it might be something else, e.g. a typo even.
[01:23] <Dr_willis> This forum thread implies the wacom tablet works with no tweaking.
[01:23] <Dr_willis> 'My Wacom tablet is working fine in Hardy with the latest packages. I still have to have it plugged in before X starts.'
[01:23] <gaminggeek> ah installing wacom tools
[01:23] <gaminggeek> I thought I had it
[01:23] <Dr_willis> I do recall that 'issue' you could not unplug/hotplug the thing.
[01:24] <blueyed> dotech: I've never seen /var/log/installer/ before and mine is from 2005-06-09 :D
[01:24] <Dr_willis> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28084
[01:24] <dotech> haha nice
[01:24] <akk> Dr_willis: A long time ago, I found I could fix the needing-to-connect-before-starting-x by making sure the wacom and evdev kernel modules were loaded
[01:24] <akk> dunno if that's still true
[01:24] <dotech> well i know why ubiquity is crashing at least, Cairo is broken!
[01:24] <dotech> :)
[01:27] <Smegzor2> I'm stuck in low graphics mode with little more than a console.  I want to run the gnome menu editor since it has access to everything i need to fix my problem.  What do I type in console to run the gnome menu editor?
[01:28] <Dr_willis> the gnome menu editor can fix your res problem?
[01:28] <Smegzor2> YES
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i thought its name was 'alacarte' or somthing.
[01:28] <Smegzor2> but I need to run it
[01:28] <keithclark>  If I log in to a remote machine in a terminal using ssh -X<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and then start a program such as firefox, is the program actually running on the remote machine?
[01:28] <Smegzor2> I'll try that
[01:29] <Dr_willis> Im not following this logic.. :) alacarte
[01:29] <Dr_willis>  alacarte   is the command you are looking for.
[01:29] <Dr_willis> i just checked :)
[01:29] <Smegzor2> thanks!  now I can run every command I need.
[01:29] <Smegzor2> I'm looking at command properties to get the console commands to run stuff
[01:30] <Smegzor2> since I don't know the commands off by heart
[01:30] <Dr_willis> The menu items are defined by various .desktop files :) you could look at those also.
[01:31] <Smegzor2> i installed restricted drivers and it messed up.  When I unticked that, it REALLY messed up and I have half a desktop and no menu
[01:31] <Smegzor2> I know there are other ways to fix it, but I'm trying to help myself for a change :)
[01:32] <blueyed> Smegzor2: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:32] <blueyed> ..what the error is.
[01:32] <Dr_willis> i wonder what would happen under hardy if you just moved the xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old  and started X with no xorg.conf
[01:32] <blueyed> Dr_willis: quite strange thread about the wacom (in "answers"). anybody here involved there?
[01:32] <gaminggeek> so why did they take the tablet entrys out of xorg.conf?
[01:32] <blueyed> Dr_willis: maybe no wacom? :p
[01:32] <Smegzor2> thanks.  I have mc installed so I can mess around with conf files easily.  Why mc isn't installed by default is a mystery.
[01:33] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  they took basicially EVERYTHING out of xorg.conf - X is suppost to 'auto configure' when started
[01:34] <gaminggeek> ok
[01:34] <Dr_willis> Smegzor2,  mc is one of the first things i install on a new install. :)
[01:34] <Dr_willis> and the full vim package
[01:34] <gaminggeek> why isnt it auto configuring for me :(
[01:35]  * Dr_willis notices the 'beta' namein the title. :)
[01:35] <gaminggeek> yea I know
[01:35] <gaminggeek> but if we can find the problem we can submit a bug report cant we?
[01:35] <Dr_willis> dont make me go downstairs and find my tablet, and plug itin.
[01:35] <x1250> yeah, but maybe the stable will also not configure it for him >:)
[01:35] <Dr_willis> report a but anyway.. well.. search for other related bugs.. you may find a fix.
[01:36] <Dr_willis> Im not sure what subsystem auto-magicially-configures X - so it may be that X needs some work. not a bug, just a feature not there.. but apraently it DOES work for some people
[01:36] <blueyed> gaminggeek: Please read my answer at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28084
[01:37] <jaffarkelshac> can you take screenshots to file without prompts
[01:37] <blueyed> Dr_willis: it works for those who upgrade, I suppose.
[01:37] <gaminggeek> blueyed: which one is yours?
[01:37] <blueyed> gaminggeek: the last one.
[01:37] <gaminggeek> ok
[01:38] <gaminggeek> I have looked in there
[01:38] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: import filename
[01:38] <Dr_willis> jaffarkelshac,  there are command line 'screen shot programs' you could use that dont have any dialog box's
[01:38] <gaminggeek> its quite a long and confusing man file :)
[01:38] <jaffarkelshac> Dr_willis, i dont know any of them, which ones are there
[01:38] <Dr_willis> jaffarkelshac,  fire up the package manager and search. I havent used any in ages.
[01:39] <jaffarkelshac> k
[01:39] <jaffarkelshac> thanks though
[01:39] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: "import" from imagemagick will do.
[01:39] <geniehost> Hello all where I can find a keyboard layout for my Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard 1.0A ?
[01:39] <geniehost> I am using ubuntu 8.4
[01:40] <jaffarkelshac> blueyed, is import in repo
[01:40] <blueyed> gaminggeek: I've only skimmed the man file. You might just want to try adding the lines (in a new file, if there isn't any /etc/X11/xorg.conf yet)
[01:40] <Dr_willis>  imagemagick  is a package of a lot of tools
[01:40] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: the package is imagemagick, a set of command line tools for image manipulation
[01:40] <blueyed> !imagemagick
[01:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagemagick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:41] <gaminggeek> blueyed: I would rather find out why its not auto detecting
[01:41] <jaffarkelshac> cheers blueyed
[01:42] <gaminggeek> !imagemagik
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about imagemagik - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <blueyed> gaminggeek: that's the next step, to find out or add this functionality. I'd say it's just not ready (from the man file), but there are a lot of changes in "aptitude changelog wacom-tools". I'd also try to find/file a bug about it.
[01:46] <jaffarkelshac> i added it in apt but i am not sure where it is,
[01:46] <jaffarkelshac> i added it in apt but i am not sure where it is, blueyed
[01:46] <Dr_willis> given the varity of wacom tablets.... i imagine thatthe older ones are better supported then the newer ones
[01:47] <x1250> Hey guys, is there anyway I can force a nautilus script (~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts) to execute in a terminal?
[01:47] <blueyed> jaffarkelshac: open a terminal and enter "import filename.png", then click somewhere, or look at it options. What do you want to do?
[01:47] <jaffarkelshac> i used locate and its in usr/bin/....libextract-imagemagick.so blueyed
[01:47] <caesa1>  Firefox 3 always starts in offline mode. Is there a way to force it to work in online mode, even if I'm offline?
[01:48] <blueyed> x1250: chmod +x $SCRIPT; ./$SCRIPT
[01:48] <blueyed> caesa1: that's strange. It doesn't for me.
[01:48] <x1250> blueyed: I'm not trying to give the script execute permissions, but to execute it in a terminal window
[01:49] <x1250> I need to interact with it through a terminal
[01:49] <Dr_willis> x1250,  cant make the scrit run somthing like 'xterm -e commandname'
[01:49] <caesa1> blueyed: well, I'm on dialup. And Network manager doesn't seem to acknowledge when I'm online or offline. I think that's why it starts in offline mode
[01:49] <x1250> Dr_willis: I'll see about that
[01:50] <blueyed> x1250: yeah, you would just start it from a terminal, but it needs to be executable, or depending on the script do e.g. "bash $SCRIPT" or "python -c $SCRIPT"
[01:51] <x1250> blueyed: you don't understand my problem. I can execute the script already, just not in a terminal, and I want to use the nautilus menu to execute it
[01:51] <blueyed> caesa1: so that's a bug in network manager or FF. Nothing in "about:config" I could find.
[01:51] <gaminggeek> Dr_willis: I have a wacom intos3
[01:52] <blueyed> x1250: how can you execute it already? from the menu, but not the command line? or the other way around?
[01:53] <caesa1> blueyed: well, it's a really old bug. I don't think it's going to be fixed any time soon, and I was fine and dandy in Gutsy Gibbon. Is there a way I can just FORCE it to be on online mode, outside of about:config?
[01:53] <caesa1> or however would work
[01:53] <x1250> I dont want to use the command line (I dont want to open by hand a terminal). I want to use the nautilus script menu to execute the script, but I need the script to open up in a terminal all it will end inmediatly, and I need it to loop until I want...
[01:53] <x1250> all/or/
[01:53] <blueyed> caesa1: so it regressed in Hardy, because before this FF would be in online mode always?
[01:54] <caesa1> yeah
[01:56] <blueyed> x1250: create a .desktop file for it and add Terminal=True (or use alacarte, if that's possible)
[01:56] <SilverDawn> Does anyone know how to change the workgroup of a ubuntu box, Cuz suddenly the shares on the other computer dissapeared... and nothings changed
[01:56] <SilverDawn> =|
[01:56] <blueyed> SilverDawn: samba broken maybe?
[01:57] <SilverDawn> Hrm
[01:57] <SilverDawn> smbclient finds the chares
[01:57] <SilverDawn> shares*
[01:58] <x1250> blueyed: yeah, but I can't use alacarte since I need to execute the script with $NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_CURRENT_URI, so I need nautilus. I don't know If I can create a .desktop file for a nautilus script.
[02:00] <gaminggeek> Dr_willis: can you get your tablet it would be really help full :)
[02:00] <Dr_willis> You expect me to get up from my chair and walk downstairs!
[02:00] <x1250> or maybe I can put something like Terminal=True or something like that inside the script, I'll check that
[02:00] <Dr_willis> egads!
[02:00] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:00] <gaminggeek> lol
[02:00] <Dr_willis> i got a much older graphit tablet. so it may just work.. :)P
[02:01] <gaminggeek> mine sorta works out of the box
[02:01] <gaminggeek> I can put the pen to the tablet and move the cursor around
[02:01] <gaminggeek> so the driver it working
[02:02] <gaminggeek> but it hasnt detected some options like that it needs to have the stylus mode
[02:02] <Dr_willis> ok.. i Plugged it in.. :) lets see
[02:03] <Dr_willis> hmm..it 'seems' to be working fine. :)
[02:03] <Dr_willis> let me fire up gimp
[02:03] <gaminggeek> what is it doing?
[02:03] <thompa> does anyone have atheros 5007 (misidentified)  or 5006 working?
[02:04] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  its working.. normally on the desktop.. moving the pointer selecting text so forth.. :)
[02:04] <Dr_willis> now for gimp
[02:04] <gaminggeek> ok thats more than mine..
[02:04] <thompa> Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x in  lspci also drivers for atheros but no device to configure
[02:05] <thompa> i also cannot compile using madwifi because of this
[02:05] <syke_> hi
[02:05] <gaminggeek> the anoying thing is it worked fine in gutsy :/
[02:06] <syke_> when will there be a fix for the ndiswrapper and ssb race? I'm really tired of this regression at this point, and want to make sure it gets fixed before release :)
[02:06] <Dr_willis> its Not working properly with gimp, no pressure, no eraror and so forth,,I may need to restart X
[02:06] <gaminggeek> ok
[02:06] <thompa> my two problems is no wifi atheros 5007 , impossible to fix. and no more usb devices automounting
[02:07] <gaminggeek> I need to restart x too I screwed up the config and its in bullet proof mode :/
[02:07] <thompa> in alpha 6 i could use madwifi svn at least
[02:07] <thompa> i dont feel like compiling my own kernel for all this
[02:08] <ethana2> hey
[02:08] <ethana2> broadcom
[02:08] <ethana2> ...how do broadcom wireless devices work on hardy?
[02:08] <ethana2> !broadcom
[02:08] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[02:09] <thompa> no wireless extensions but lspci  AR242x and drivers for atheros show enabled
[02:09] <SilverDawn> hrm my samba doesnt wanna work
[02:10] <teamcobra> SilverDawn, make sure the shares are set up under system/administration/samba
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. gimp still isent seeing the cursor.stylus stuff properly,
[02:10] <Dr_willis> so its  useable as a tablet, but not 100%
[02:10] <SilverDawn> teamcobra, theres no system/admin/samba
[02:10] <SilverDawn> =\
[02:11] <teamcobra> odd...... 1 min, I'll check to see what app it is
[02:11] <eduardo> Qestion: I just made the last update for 8.04 and after that I have this problem, just after i log into ubuntu my computer freezes, anyone knows how to fix this?
[02:11] <syke_> ethana2: I have never had luck with the bcm43xx drivers over the course of 3 laptops. I always end up using ndiswrapper.
[02:11] <MTecknology> so, what's new with -15?
[02:12] <SilverDawn> for smbclient -L hostname i get the following after the output of the shares on that box
[02:12] <SilverDawn> session request to <IP_ADDRESS> failed (Called name not present)
[02:12] <SilverDawn> session request to 192 failed (Called name not present)
[02:12] <SilverDawn> session request to *SMBSERVER failed (Called name not present)
[02:12] <SilverDawn> NetBIOS over TCP disabled -- no workgroup available
[02:12] <MTecknology> lotta kernel updates the last week
[02:12] <eduardo> Qestion: I just made the last update for 8.04 and after that I have this problem, just after i log into ubuntu my computer freezes, anyone knows how to fix this?
[02:13] <ethana2> syke_: how do you find the windows drivers?
[02:13] <syke_> there are links that can help
[02:13] <Dr_willis> can you ping the hostname SilverDawn ?
[02:13] <syke_> but generally you can just go to your laptop manufacturer's website and download
[02:13] <gaminggeek> ARG now my X is a mess :/
[02:13] <teamcobra> silver: apt-get install system-config-samba
[02:13] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, Yep
[02:13] <ethana2> syke_: they usually use .exe files
[02:13] <Dr_willis> it seems theres been a lot of times when samba/shareing has beenbroken forme under hardy, then it gets fixed.. thenit breaks again
[02:14] <eduardo> can anyone help me?
[02:14] <ethana2> Dr_willis: yes.  ..wait, it gets fixed?
[02:14] <syke_> ethana2: oh! sorry -- yes, you'll need to use wine to run some of the unpackers.
[02:14] <ethana2> ohhh
[02:14] <ethana2> ok
[02:14] <Dr_willis> ethana2,  every so often.. even the sshfs was crashing hard onme for a while
[02:14] <ethana2> syke_: you've had good success running driver installers in wine?
[02:14] <SilverDawn> I just need to get the music off of the vista box...
[02:14] <SilverDawn> Any possible way of doing that
[02:14] <SilverDawn> I dont care if its samba or not
[02:14]  * eduardo screams for help.
[02:14] <SilverDawn> i guess proftpd might work
[02:14] <dotech> interesting
[02:15] <dotech> my time shifted ahead by 4 hours when i set my location in the installer
[02:15] <Dr_willis> SilverDawn,  install ssh server, install winscp on windows box, copy things over using winscp
[02:15] <Dr_willis> Much simpiler then setting up a ftp server
[02:15] <dotech> i guess my bios is supposed to be set to GMT?
[02:15] <eduardo> anyone willing to help me?
[02:16] <ethana2> eduardo: sorry, hang on, pretty active channel right now
[02:16] <eduardo> ok
[02:16] <ethana2> eduardo: somebody will probably get back, read the log...
[02:16] <ethana2> eduardo: and try to give you assistance
[02:17] <dotech> so my problem with the installer is this: it is trying to write ext3 to /dev/sda1 but i do not have /dev/sda1.
[02:18] <dotech> the first partition on sda is actually /sys/block/sda/sda1
[02:18] <Dr_willis> ive seen some cases where if the partitionign tool does changes.. thekernel does not see the changes.. but it WILL see them if you reboot.
[02:19] <Dr_willis> the old fdisk command had warnings about this.
[02:19] <dotech> hmm
[02:19] <dotech> well its worth a shot :)
[02:19] <Dr_willis> I often fire up a live cd wight gparted and partition, then reboot the isntall cd.
[02:19] <dotech> well it did partition the drive
[02:19] <dotech> that part worked
[02:19] <dotech> but the device wasn't created in /dev
[02:20] <Dr_willis> i would say try a reboot
[02:20] <dotech> yea that will fix it
[02:20] <dotech> im curious how i could really fix it though
[02:20] <dotech> so others wont have this happen :)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> its a issue with the hardware/kernel/drives
[02:20] <Dr_willis> thers no 100% fix. :)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> even in dos/windows i have often had to reboot.
[02:20] <dotech> ill have to get on git and patch the kernel :)
[02:21] <Dr_willis> The kernel partition tables and what bios says dont match up. its safext to reboot
[02:21] <dotech> yea
[02:21] <dotech> i know they use ioctl() to reread the partition table
[02:21] <dotech> and that appears to be successful, its udev that isn't creating a device for the partition i think
[02:21] <syke_> ethana2: yes, and the wine in hardy should be alright for that purpose. dapper's wine is another story -- I had to use unofficial builds of wine there.
[02:21] <dotech> probably because the kernel didn't update something properly
[02:22] <Dr_willis> i think its more of a bios issue also. some machines i have i have to always reboot.. most newer ones i dont
[02:23] <dotech> maybe the installer should force a reboot after the partitioning with the guided tool?
[02:23] <dotech> that would prevent this
[02:23] <Dr_willis> then you have to be sure it rebooted right..and so forth..
[02:23] <Dr_willis> the FDISK command will say 'partitions will not be correct untill you reboot'
[02:23] <dotech> or at least make the error that pops up suggest rebooting :)
[02:24] <dotech> right now it just says it failed with some weird numbers and the device name
[02:25] <dotech> damn and it keeps shifting my time haha
[02:25] <dotech> i tell it im at GMT-4 and my time shifts ahead 4 hours
[02:25] <dotech> if anything iw ould expect it to go backwards 4 hours
[02:25] <blueyed> eduardo: any clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? When does it freeze?
[02:26] <SilverDawn> god samba is so fscked on hardy.... if i try to go in manually it crashes nautilus
[02:27] <eduardo> blueeyed, when i try that it says no such file or directory
[02:27] <eduardo> blueyed, when i try that it says no such file or directory
[02:29] <blueyed> eduardo: looking at Xorg.0.log? try "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" from a terminal, then press G to scroll to the bottom.
[02:30] <blueyed> eduardo: again, when does it freeze? and how? black screen, no more disk access?
[02:30] <eduardo> blueyed i tried cat /var/log/xorg.log/ lgrep EE
[02:30] <blueyed> eduardo: Xorg.0.log
[02:30] <eduardo> blueyed, it freezes just after i log into ubuntu
[02:31] <blueyed> eduardo: you can do just "grep EE $FILE"
[02:31] <blueyed> eduardo: so gnome freezes? how far does it get? do you see the taskbar?
[02:31] <eduardo> blueyed, it freezes my keyboard and mouse, and i only see a pink screen
[02:31] <blueyed> maybe compiz freezes?
[02:31] <eduardo> blueyed, no, no taskbar
[02:32] <blueyed> eduardo: might be a compiz/graphics driver issue then.
[02:33] <eduardo> blueyed, it used to freeze on the login screen, but i reinstalled gdm, and then i could login normally, but just after logging in it freezes
[02:33] <SilverDawn> why are we running an alpha version of smbclient?
[02:34] <baudelaire> Hey Guys!  I have a quick question.  I'm pretty new to Ubuntu.  Do you guys have any productivity tips that you think would help me?  I already use Gnome-Do.   :-) :-P
[02:36] <Fritzel> my desktop has pieces that go visible and invisible on KDE4 new install, is this a driver issue? and is it a known issue?
[02:39] <Meshezabeel> how do I disable compiz?
[02:40] <blueyed> Fritzel: in the taskbar/plasma? known issue I think (have it to), but it's getting better with every 0.1 release.
[02:40] <blueyed> baudelaire: shell :)
[02:41] <Fritzel> blueyed: it's getting worse and worse as time goes on though, my temperatures are fine though is it possible to run KDE4 without plasma? or am I right in guessing that the panel is nothing but a docked widget?
[02:41] <Meshezabeel> I have problems with java apps and need to disable compiz
[02:41] <baudelaire> blueyed, hehe
[02:42] <blueyed> Fritzel: you could try restarting plasma (kill and restart)
[02:42] <Fritzel> what's the proper way to do that? and the app name? plasma I assume?
[02:42] <Fritzel> or just kill -9 plasma;plasma
[02:42] <Fritzel> er killall rather
[02:43] <blueyed> Meshezabeel: in ubuntu (gnome)? "Appearance" in "Preferences" IIRC. => Visual Effects
[02:43] <blueyed> Fritzel: yes, just worked for me, too.
[02:44] <Fritzel> it didn't me half my stuff is still vanishing
[02:44] <blueyed> Fritzel: you might want to leave the terminal open then, as it spits out debug info and when it's getting hot again, you might get some clue.
[02:44] <blueyed> Fritzel: all the time?
[02:44] <Fritzel> when I can read the terminal that is
[02:45] <Fritzel> it was miner before but yeah it's doing it almost constantly now
[02:45] <Meshezabeel> thanks blueyed!
[02:45] <Fritzel> minor >< not miner
[02:46] <Shiiii> hello all
[02:46] <Shiiii> can someone point to a solution to i965 graphics in hardy ?
[02:48] <T1m0thy> Is there a way to record Skype calls in Hardy?
[02:48] <Fritzel> ok I have no idea what's different now but the system is abck to normal? ><
[02:49] <Dr_willis> T1m0thy,  i recall some 'how to record skype' howto on some ubuntu site.
[02:49] <T1m0thy> Okay.
[02:50] <T1m0thy> Are you talking about the Forums or the Wiki?
[02:50] <T1m0thy> The Wiki is deleted.
[02:52] <Dr_willis> this was some other site - ubuntututorials, or somthing
[02:53] <SilverDawn> whats with the constant recompiles of the ubuntu kernel lol
[02:53] <SilverDawn> =\
[02:53] <Dr_willis> i have like 8 ubuntu tips sites in my live-bookmarns
[03:01] <dotech> ok now its time to figure out what bugs im finding :)
[03:03] <Tm_K> hi kids
[03:03] <Dr_willis> !hi
[03:03] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:03] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:03] <Silverdawn> Anyone know how to correctly mount a samba share manually
[03:03] <gaminggeek> hello :)
[03:04] <Dr_willis> Silverdawn,  i cheat and use the fusesmb tools. its much easier for me. :)
[03:04] <Silverdawn> I thought it was like... mount smb:host username%password cifs
[03:04] <Silverdawn> or somethin
[03:04] <Silverdawn> fusesmb?
[03:04] <Dr_willis> yes.. fusesmb.. or was it smbfuse
[03:04] <Silverdawn> Im willing to do anything -_- i just need to get into those files
[03:04] <Dr_willis> You dident want to try the winscp on the windows box eh?
[03:04] <Silverdawn> i did
[03:05] <Silverdawn> -_-
[03:05] <Dr_willis> so..........
[03:05] <Silverdawn> it didnt work
[03:05] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:05] <Silverdawn> and fusesmb just worked in one go :|
[03:05] <Silverdawn> wow
[03:05] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:05] <Dr_willis> fusesmb worked without you confguring it?
[03:05] <Tm_K> I got loveletter from HAL:  wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware revision not supported' (HAL status 13)
[03:05] <Silverdawn> Yeah i just did fusesmb /mnt
[03:05] <Silverdawn> and now its all in /mnt
[03:06] <Tm_K> <3
[03:06] <Dr_willis> You must have some no password needed shares setup?
[03:06] <gaminggeek> ok so I was screwing around with my x config trying to get my wacom to go and now my screen res is stuck at 1024x768
[03:06] <Silverdawn> Dr_willis, yeah
[03:06] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:06] <Dr_willis> There ya go..
[03:06] <Silverdawn> :)
[03:06] <Dr_willis> now see if it actually works
[03:07] <Silverdawn> seems too
[03:07] <Dr_willis> of course gnome and kde both have samba networkbrowser tools also.
[03:07] <Silverdawn> Except how do you unmount wiht it?
[03:07] <Silverdawn> with it*
[03:07] <Dr_willis> fusermount -u sharename
[03:07] <Dr_willis> or sudo umount whatever
[03:09] <Silverdawn> they are all unmounted on reboot right?
[03:09] <gaminggeek> ok got my xconfig back
[03:10] <dotech> is there a separate place to log bugs against hardy?
[03:10] <gaminggeek> did you get your tablet working Dr_willis
[03:10] <Dr_willis> gaminggeek,  the basics worked.. but not the pressure and so forth.. so i put it back in the closet.
[03:10] <gaminggeek> ok
[03:11] <gaminggeek> damn
[03:11] <Dr_willis> i dont hae the table space for the thing. I rember why it was in the closet
[03:12] <Silverdawn> Dr_willis, when i reboot the shares will be unmounted correct?
[03:12] <Silverdawn> Like... they wont be mounted when i startup like a service
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Silverdawn,  of course..  they are not services
[03:13] <Silverdawn> :)
[03:14] <Silverdawn> Do you by chance use mpd
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Nope
[03:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:14] <Silverdawn> Damn
[03:14] <Silverdawn> err
[03:14] <Silverdawn> darn
[03:14] <Silverdawn> lol
[03:15] <Silverdawn> Im trying to figure out how to make it play on boot as a service, Since its 100% doable in other distros
[03:16] <Dr_willis> run it from rc.local is one way
[03:16] <Dr_willis> i thought it DID run as a service
[03:16] <Flannel> Dr_willis: you can run it as a daemon, or not
[03:16] <Dr_willis> etting up mpd (0.13.1-3ubuntu1) ...
[03:16] <Dr_willis>  * Starting Music Player Daemon mpd
[03:17] <Dr_willis> by default it just launched as a service here.. :)
[03:17] <Dr_willis> Not that its doing anything.
[03:18] <cowbud> did the latest updates hose us? some people are saying that on the forum..
[03:18] <Dr_willis> Im stillhere.
[03:19] <Flannel> I agree.  As of Gutsy it does start as a service by default
[03:19] <Flannel> Dapper didn't.  No idea when it changed
[03:19] <Flannel> You may have to uncomment something ot get it to actually function as a service though.  Thats what you used to have to do, if I remember properly.
[03:20] <Fritzel> where's the proper place to add a new user?
[03:21] <dotech> do you know what block size hardy uses when you create an ext3 file system?
[03:21] <dotech> during the install
[03:22] <blueyed> dotech: 4kb? maybe depending on the partition size.. "man make2fs"?
[03:23] <dotech> i dont think there is a default size
[03:23] <blueyed> *"man mke2fs"
[03:26] <dotech> hmm i guess its calculated based on the FS size and type
[03:26] <prakriti> all of my md raid devises in an array got marked as a (S) spare
[03:27] <prakriti> they all seem intact but the raid wont start because they are all (S) :(
[03:27] <prakriti> does anybody know how to fix that?
[03:27] <prakriti> md0 : inactive sdg1[0](S) sdh1[6](S) sde1[5](S) sdf1[4](S) sdd1[3](S) sdb1[2](S) sdc1[1](S)
[03:27] <prakriti>       341829760 blocks
[03:27] <pen> why firefox segfault when I restart?
[03:27] <pen> I have to click firefox twice or more to launch it
[03:29] <dotech> can we rename partitions in the installer?
[03:29] <dotech> doesn't seem to let me
[03:32] <pen> and firefox is slow with compiz.
[03:32] <Dr_willis> rename?
[03:32] <pen> Anyone know how to solvei t?
[03:32] <Dr_willis> filesystems can have labels,you can set,
[03:33] <Dr_willis> pen,  try removing all the firefox settings,
[03:33] <dotech> i meant partition number
[03:33] <Dr_willis> it may be a extension or somthing goofingup.
[03:33] <dotech> it seems to just add sequentially
[03:33] <Dr_willis> You make a partition, it has a #. thats how they work 1-4 are primaries
[03:33] <Dr_willis> 5+ are logicials inside extended
[03:33] <Dr_willis> Not sure what you are trying to do. :)
[03:33] <dotech> yep, i was just wondering if i could create a 2 without a 1 :)
[03:33] <Dr_willis> why would you want to?
[03:34] <Dr_willis> that can really goof up parted/gparted/other tools later
[03:34] <dotech> haha yea
[03:34] <dotech> im getting a strange error when i partition it though
[03:34] <dotech> i must have / at least<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes
[03:34] <dotech> yet my / partition is 250gb
[03:34] <pen> Dr_willis: still segfault if I click restart firefox.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> it pays to keep partition layouts simple. :)
[03:34] <pen> Dr_willis: although firefox is much smoother now
[03:35] <pen> Dr_
[03:35] <dotech> /dev/sda1 ext3 / 248008MB
[03:35] <dotech> yet the popup says "some of the partitions you created are too small. Please make the following partitions at least this large in bytes: /<PHONE_NUMBER>
[03:36] <dotech> clearly my / is not too small
[03:36] <Dr_willis> i often just leave a lot of hd space unallocated and let the installer auto-partition it.
[03:37] <pen> Dr_willis: can you restart and firefox open automatically?
[03:37] <dotech> ill reboot and see if it detects the partition properly afterwards
[03:37] <Fritzel> plasma says "plasma(10129) Plasma::Dialog::position: QPoint(984,694)" whenever I mouse over the "Recently plugged devices" applet, is this anything I need to worry about? only reason I'm asking is sometimes parts of my interface go invislbe
[03:37] <Dr_willis> pen,  restart firefox? - ive seenit do that with my extensions. but havent tried it lately.
[03:38] <Dr_willis> kde4 and plasma are still very much a work in progress. :(
[03:38] <dotech> well i can't install heh
[03:38] <dotech> the guided partition doesn't work
[03:38] <Fritzel> -nod- I realize that, alright fair enough
[03:38] <dotech> the manual doesn't work :\
[03:39] <pen> Dr_willis: now not even restart, whenever I enable or disable some themes or addons my firefox always resist to open and I have to click many times to wake it up :(
[03:39] <Dr_willis> dotech,  i tend to just setup 3 primary partitions when i manually partition, one for / one for /home and one for swap.
[03:39] <Dr_willis> pen,  sounds like buggy themes.
[03:39] <dotech> yea i tried
[03:39] <pen> Dr_
[03:39] <dotech> it doesn't detect my / partition for some reason
[03:39] <pen> Dr_willis: I use the default theme
[03:39] <pen> Dr_willis: do you mean the default theme is buggy?
[03:40] <Dr_willis> You just stated that it was with some themes or addone.
[03:40] <Dr_willis>  try a new user. see if it affects them also.
[03:40] <dotech> when i tail syslog it says it can't find /dev/sda1, and i know /dev/sda1 is not there
[03:41] <dotech> it is, however, in /sys/block/sda/sda1
[03:41] <pen> Dr_willis: I have already disable all the addon and restore my theme back to default
[03:41] <dotech> so something strange is going on with the devices
[03:42] <dotech> im not making this up :)
[03:43] <dotech> i know i can manually go call mke2fs on that device but that's cheating
[03:43] <dotech> im running the beta so i can help flush out bugs
[03:44] <pen> Dr_willis: I don't understand that if I let firefox unminimized all the other apps will perform slowly but if I minimize firefox or close it others will behave normally
[03:44] <pen> Dr_willis: firefox is really buggy
[03:44] <Dr_willis> it may be.. i dont seeany of those problems here.
[03:44] <Dr_willis> it may be some other extension/theme sucked down a lot of memory and dident release it also.
[03:45] <dotech> Dr_willis: after rebooting again it worked :)
[03:45]  * Dr_willis is watching tunapie crash like a crashprone thing.
[03:45] <Dr_willis> dotech,  i would watch dmesg output - could be that hd is having some 'issues'
[03:45] <dotech> dmesg is clean
[03:46] <dotech> i checked earlier when i was having other issues
[03:46] <dotech> i guess as long as a few reboots fixes it thats ok, must be a kernel issue
[03:46] <cybercyst> what do you do if you have a package that needs libglib in hardy?  libglibldbl is the only package... and this doesn't satisfy libglib still
[03:47] <CVD-PR> when the first 8.04 beta came out?
[03:49] <crimsun> cybercyst: err... libglib2.0-0 or libglib1.2ldbl?
[03:50] <cybercyst> libglib1.2
[03:50] <Nis2k> Question: My system is freezing for no apparent reason, anyone knows whats going wrong?
[03:51] <jbroome> Nis2k: with the aweseome amount of info you provided, sure i can narrow it right now
[03:51] <jbroome> *down
[03:51] <crimsun> cybercyst: that no longer exists, which is why I mentioned the latter.
[03:52] <Nis2k> jbroome, i cant gather any more info, its just freezing for no apparent reason, I dont know whats going wrong
[03:53] <cybercyst> but i have a .deb that wants libglib1.2
[03:53] <crimsun> Nis2k: start with when it freezes.
[03:53] <cybercyst> its for my printer... lousy canon pixma
[03:53] <crimsun> cybercyst: which?  (and installing random debs is a Bad Idea)
[03:53] <Nis2k> jbroome, it used to freeze just after I log into ubuntu, so i did dhclient && aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && reboot, and then i could log in normally, but now its just freezing randomly..
[03:54] <Nis2k> crimsun, what do you mean with "start when it freezes" ?
[03:55] <crimsun> Nis2k: I mean describe when it freezes.
[03:55] <Nis2k> crimnsun, It just freezes, I cant move my mouse and my keyboard doesnt respond
[03:55] <jbroome> i would think that having it reboot right after an aptitude upgrade might not be a good idea.  If something fails, you don't get a chance to see it
[03:56] <crimsun> Nis2k: run the memtest from the grub menu
[03:56] <protonchris> Nis2k: Check your logs /var/log/syslog
[03:56] <protonchris> Nis2k: from a liveCD
[03:57] <Nis2k> im in terminal atm, im using irssi
[03:57] <Gnine> irssi!
[03:57] <Nis2k> what about irssi?
[03:57] <dotech> its the best
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> !irssi
[03:57] <ubotu> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.
[03:57] <nomasteryoda> =D
[03:57] <Gnine> awezum
[03:58] <dotech> so here's the weird thing
[03:58] <dotech> Current time: 10:58:27PM
[03:58] <dotech> Selected region: United States
[03:58] <dotech> I pick new york GMT-4:00 and my time jumps ahead 4 hours.
[03:59] <Nis2k> when i try to use /var/log/syslog, it says permission denied
[03:59] <Nis2k> and im root
[03:59] <Dr_willis> its fun when you set your time ahead.. and it kicks in the powersaving/autoshutdown/hibernate stuff.....
[03:59] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:59] <dotech> haha
[03:59] <dotech> yea or during install it makes all my files in the future
[03:59] <Dr_willis> use it? how are you usingit?
[03:59] <dotech> that tends to screw things up
[03:59] <Dr_willis> cat /var/log/syslog
[03:59] <protonchris> Nis2k: it is a text file.  read it with something like nano.
[04:00] <Nis2k> ok
[04:00] <Nis2k> how can i scroll from terminal?
[04:01] <mesilliac> hold down shift
[04:01] <mesilliac> sorry I think that was bad advice :) didn't read
[04:01] <Dr_willis> shift pageup/down
[04:01] <Dr_willis> or was it ctrl-pageup/down ?
[04:02] <Dr_willis> if you mean the CONSOLE, or xterm. or konsole.. :) they may differ
[04:02] <Dr_willis> OR BEST - learn to use the more or less command. :)
[04:02] <Dr_willis> less /var/log/syslog
[04:31] <dotech> magically the 2 partitions show up in /dev/sda1,2 now
[04:31] <dotech> something is flaky with that
[04:35] <woodwizzle> Is there a good comparison of the latest beagle and tracker indexing engines?
[04:35] <woodwizzle> I'm willing to give tracker a fair shot, but it doesn't appear to index tomboy notes which is important to me.
[04:36] <woodwizzle> and any online reviews of the two engines seem dated.
[04:36] <pen> how to make flash work in opera?
[04:38] <dapiz987> hello, is anybody experiencing reduced audio quality using the 8.04 beta? if so, is there any known fix?
[04:39] <Lunks> "Error: glXCreateContext failed"
[04:39] <Lunks> NVIDIA driver is loaded, what's happening? O.o
[04:41] <dapiz987> anybody?
[04:41] <Lunks> Using a custom kernel, too.
[04:43] <shirish> !linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic
[04:43] <Lunks> Ok, I guess it's the mesa update.
[04:43] <pen> how to make flash work in opera?
[04:44] <shirish> guys, anybody knows where the linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic package is in launchpad?
[04:46] <cwillu> !info linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic
[04:46] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic (source: linux): Linux kernel image for version 2.6.24 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24-15.26 (hardy), package size 17938 kB, installed size 60368 kB
[04:46] <Pici> hey, info is working again. neat.
[04:46] <shirish> cwillu: I'm trying to get the launchpad page for the same, not getting it :(
[04:47] <White_Magic> Anyone Good with Miro Internet Tv?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> White_Magic,  whats to be good about with it? it works here.
[04:47] <White_Magic> I know it works
[04:47] <White_Magic> i want to add a site to it but i dunno how it works
[04:47] <White_Magic> Like Either a site to Search for videos
[04:48] <White_Magic> or add as a channel
[04:48] <SilverDawn> Anyone know a good Gnome tool to burn a audio cd
[04:48] <White_Magic> But i dont think the site hosts the videos directly on it
[04:48] <Gnine> lastest update did not offer -15-generic for me.. where is that coming from
[04:48] <Dr_willis> White_Magic,  thats possible. theres the add channel -> enter url thing..  but ive never trie adding anything else
[04:48] <White_Magic> Well its ietv.co.uk...
[04:48] <White_Magic> that didnt work
[04:49] <White_Magic> i tried to RSS Feeds too
[04:49] <SilverDawn> Anyone?
[04:49] <White_Magic> Bracero
[04:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm theres a Linux Journel channel now. :)
[04:49] <shirish> Gnine: from the archives, I got the page https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/<IP_ADDRESS>.17
[04:49] <almostdvs> my system wants to update wants to update but it gets problems and can't.  i suspect the update would fix the problem but you obviously...
[04:49] <almostdvs> that looks horrible should i try again?
[04:50] <Gnine> 10-4 shirish
[04:50] <White_Magic> the kernal Upgrade uses the Dist-Upgrade?
[04:50] <White_Magic> correct
[04:50] <White_Magic> ?
[04:50] <cwillu> cart before the horse
[04:50] <cwillu> dist-upgrade updates the kernel, as does just normal upgrade
[04:50] <shirish> White_Magic: I didn't have to do anything like that, I just did the normal sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[04:51] <White_Magic> "Full"
[04:51] <cwillu> full-upgrade == dist-upgrade (latter is deprecated)
[04:51] <White_Magic> I already have Hardy
[04:51] <White_Magic> dist-upgrade is deprecated?
[04:51] <macogw> crimsun: you up?
[04:51] <akk> it always tells me to do safe-upgrade when I do a dist-upgrade ... but I really should be doing full- ?
[04:51] <White_Magic> So no ones knows how to add
[04:51] <White_Magic> IETV.CO.UK
[04:51] <White_Magic> to Miro
[04:52] <cwillu> dist-upgrade is being renamed to full-upgrade, so stop using the older form :p
[04:52] <cwillu> ?
[04:52] <White_Magic> well whas the point of "Dist-Upgrade" Or "Full-Upgrade" if you already use the Latest Dist
[04:52]  * akk wonders if they've changed the message to recommend full-upgrade instead of safe-ugprade
[04:52] <cwillu> White_Magic, that's why they're changing the name, because it doesn't mean what people think it means
[04:53] <x1250> full-upgrade can uninstall/install new packages, safe-upgrade cannot do that
[04:53] <shirish> cwillu: that just tells you that's that command is being deprecated
[04:53] <cwillu> akk, which program are you running?
[04:53] <Jordan_U> Is FF3b5 not packaged yet or is my mirror just behind?
[04:53] <almostdvs> my system wants to upgrade but can't due to a problem with synaptic.  i suspect the update fixes this problem but obviously can't.  does anyone have any clues?
[04:53] <White_Magic> Well when i start update-manager
[04:53] <White_Magic> it does regular upgrades
[04:53] <White_Magic> then a few seconds later says more updates needed
[04:53] <shirish> akk: nope,  afaik some things like a kernel upgrade need full-upgrade
[04:53] <akk> cwillu: That's with aptitude, but I'm trying to switch back to apt-get now so I don't get all the recommended packages
[04:53] <SilverDawn> !mp3
[04:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:53] <White_Magic> and it ends up bringing up the Dist-Upgrade thing
[04:54] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, Can you be more clear, what "problems", do you get any error messages?
[04:54] <shirish> most of the time safe-upgrade works, but when you are upgrading the kernel or chipset drivers or something critical like that than need full-upgrade
[04:55] <akk> thanks, shirish ... I'm not worried about kernel upgrades because 2.4.24 has a bug that keeps me from using it anyway
[04:55] <x1250> that's not entirely true. If your upgrade needs to uninstall or install new packages, then safe-upgrade will hold them, but full-upgrade will go all the way
[04:55] <cwillu> akk, -R will tell aptitude to not do the recommended as dependency thing
[04:55] <shirish> akk: what bug?
[04:55] <cwillu> shirish, safe-upgrade will update a kernel, there's nothing special about that afaik
[04:55] <White_Magic> does that kill out "Recommended"Drivers and stuff
[04:56] <akk> cwillu: I tried to find a way to set that in /etc/apt so I didn't have to type something every time, but eventually gave up (succeeded for apt-get but not for aptitude)
[04:56] <White_Magic> that you have but need to be upgrade
[04:56] <shirish> cwillu: not at my end.
[04:56] <akk> shirish: the visor driver is broken, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10118
[04:57] <ubotu> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 10118 in USB "visor: probe of 1-2.3:1.0 failed with error -5" [Normal,New]
[04:57] <x1250> $ man aptitude. The difference between safe or full-upgrade are restrictions. Safe-upgrade cannot un/install packages, only upgrade
[04:57] <gluer> how do i install all the multimedia codecs at once?
[04:57] <cwillu> gluer, ubuntu-restricted-extras will do a little more than you want (i.e., including java, flash, etc)
[04:57] <Dr_willis> gluer,  install the w32codec package and what cwillu  said also..
[04:57] <x1250> so if devs add a new dependency to a package X, then safe-upgrade will hold package X
[04:57] <gluer> cheers!!!
[04:58] <almostdvs> Jordan_U: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10668177@N05/2389145468/sizes/o/
[04:58] <White_Magic> i dont get what "Restricted" means in ubuntu
[04:58] <White_Magic> if there restriced doesnt that mean you cant have them?
[04:58] <White_Magic> or they dont work
[04:58] <White_Magic> something to that extent...
[04:58] <cwillu> it means you can't redistribute them, or things along those lines
[04:59] <White_Magic> OH
[04:59] <x1250> restricted = restricted license
[04:59] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, Have you been running GUI applications with sudo?
[04:59] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, do you know what pkg you need for brasero to burn mp3's
[04:59] <SilverDawn> It didnt offer so im at a bit of a loss since i dont know gstreamer well at all
[04:59] <Dr_willis> Nope.
[05:00] <Dr_willis> I dont even have tgnome installed on this box.
[05:00] <SilverDawn> k
[05:00] <almostdvs> jordan_U i'm pretty sure i haven't
[05:00] <Dr_willis> check the ubuntu faq/wiki/forums I guess
[05:00] <SilverDawn> well theres the huge meta sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:00] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, What is the output of "ls -l ~/.Xauthority" ?
[05:00] <SilverDawn> but like... i dont need most of that
[05:01] <gluer> i do :-)
[05:01] <almostdvs> Jordan_U -rw------- 1 root root 0 2008-04-03 14:46 /home/cody/.Xauthority
[05:01] <Random> On LaunchPad, theres different statuses on bugs... when should these statuses be changed? Like for example, if someone filed a bug, and I had the same issue, does that mean I should set the status to "confirmed"?
[05:02] <cwillu> almostdvs, stop running non terminal programs with sudo (you _need_ to use gksudo, unless you know how to and enjoy fixing .Xauthority junk) :p
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Ya know.. its annoying how dolphin is getting launched as the default file manager. when ive set KONQUEROR up as the default file manager in several spots...
[05:03] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, That should be owned by you, the ownership of this file is often modified to root when GUI apps are run with sudo rather than gksudo, to fix it run "sudo chown cody:cody ~/.Xauthority"
[05:03] <cwillu> doing things directly as root will break it as well (if you set a password or used sudo options to bring up the shell)
[05:03] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, i agree
[05:03] <almostdvs> cwillu i can't think of any non terminal programs i have even started with terminal
[05:03] <J-_> I just enabled backports. Now I have a whole bunch of packages ready to be installed. Including libc6, should I install?
[05:04] <nomasteryoda> i hate the new kde4 konqueror too... the options i use every day... like rt-click, move or copy are gone
[05:04] <cwillu> J-_, you don't want to just enable backports
[05:04] <cwillu> J-_, there's a way you can add it such that it won't use it by default
[05:04] <Jordan_U> almostdvs, Have you used any third party scripts ( most of which are unfortunately poorly made )?
[05:04] <cwillu> or you can just download particular deb's that you want
[05:05] <cwillu> but just adding the backports repo and hitting upgrade is a good way to break weird and wonderful things :)
[05:05] <J-_> cwillu: Okay, I'll cancel the installation then. Figured VMware would be in there.
[05:05] <almostdvs> i have a broken gdm and use this workaround,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-look/+bug/211241
[05:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 211241 in ubuntustudio-look "gdmgreeter crashed with SIGSEGV in g_build_filename()" [Medium,New]
[05:06] <White_Magic> So do i need to do "Full-Upgrade" ?
[05:06] <cwillu> J-_, I don't know the exact url, but it should be something like adding a low priority to the backport repo in /etc/apt/preferences or something like that)
[05:06] <almostdvs> but i've changed from ubuntustudio look to human
[05:06] <J-_> cwillu: Cool, thanks dude. I'll check it out.
[05:07] <dotech> after the partitioning failures with the installer i managed to get hardy installed, and it works perfectly so far!
[05:08] <almostdvs> thanks, Jordan_U  the chown enabled the update to initiate
[05:09] <DanaG> Heh, is blue itself just gloomy?
[05:09] <DanaG> Every blue theme I make seems gloomy, or at best, not-cheerful.
[05:10] <SilverDawn> umm
[05:10] <SilverDawn> since brasero transcodes and then burns
[05:10] <cwillu> maybe something in baby blue DanaG ?
[05:10] <SilverDawn> Does the transcoding actually effect the real files?
[05:10] <SilverDawn> :|
[05:10] <DanaG> The Fedora 8 blue is nice and bright, but it's distinctly non-Ubuntu.
[05:11] <DanaG> I guess it's orange for me.
[05:11] <DanaG> ... except in Windows.  I haven't found any nice orange Windowblinds themes.
[05:11] <Gnine> ubuntu brown is more ubuntuish than blue
[05:11] <dotech> my favorite color is orange, i had to pick this distro
[05:11] <J-_> Man, I really wish there was an option in the updater/ synaptic to show when updated packages were updated.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> SilverDawn,  it shouldent touch your original files
[05:11] <SilverDawn> Dr_willis, alrighty
[05:12] <J-_> Or, the time when they were added to the repos
[05:12] <Dr_willis> It does seem my testing machine.. is a bit flakier now then it was a few days ago.. heh
[05:12] <Gnine> update-manager does tell how long ago was (...) last updated
[05:13] <J-_> Gnine: Weird, can't see anything like that. Maybe I'm blind =)
[05:14] <Gnine> right in thy interface..
[05:15] <DanaG> Wow, I just installed -14 kernel yesterday.
[05:15] <DanaG> Now there's a -15-generic.
[05:15] <tanner_> thats one of the annoying things about ubuntu
[05:15] <tyron> Hi i installed virtualbox and virtualbox modules, rebooted and now im in low graphics mode and network devices not being detected? i have also uninstalled the changes to fix but did not work
[05:16] <tanner_> tyron: sounds like a kernel problem
[05:16] <DanaG> ... and still no CGROUP option set.
[05:16] <dotech> hrm ffx 3 froze
[05:16] <cwillu> cgroup?
[05:17] <tyron> tanner: does ubuntu have anything like system restore?
[05:17] <tanner_> tyron: did you recently update ubuntu which required a restart?
[05:17] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/188226
[05:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[05:17] <Gnine> no matter.. you dont hAVe to be up with 'latest' kernel.. just give it time..
[05:17] <tyron> tanner: no, i did do an update but did not need a restart, after installing the virtualbox modules it needed a estart though
[05:18] <cwillu> DanaG, ah, yes, that piece of travesty
[05:18] <tanner_> the virtual box modules should not need a restart, and i am not aware of a system restore like option
[05:19] <tyron> tanner: what is my best opton to try fix it? the laptop cant access network anymore but i do have discs
[05:20] <cwillu> DanaG, try the server kernel?
[05:20] <tanner_> hmm
[05:21] <DanaG> What else is different between server and generic?
[05:21] <tanner_> tyron: i have a feeling the solution will not be simple
[05:21] <Thib_> hi folks
[05:21] <Thib_> I'm back
[05:21] <tanner_> DanaG: server likely doesnt include things not necessary on a server machine
[05:21] <Thib_> well, I did find something very interesting
[05:21] <Thib_> this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201180
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged]
[05:22] <DanaG> Heh, would you call this ugly?  I might.    http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4339
[05:22] <tyron> tanner_: that sucks, i have just got everything working perfectly and made the full move to linux and i may have to start again
[05:23] <Thib_> ostensibly, that would be why my new laptop with an Atheros wireless interface doesn't seem to work.
[05:23] <cwillu> preemption is turned off, and a lower timer rate (100hz instead of 250hz)
[05:23] <Thib_> since 8.04 Beta currently sports 2.6.24-12
[05:23] <tanner_> tyron: we may be able to help with more detailed information as to whats going on. are you able to be on that machine and talk here at the same time?
[05:23] <dotech> oh man, sirius doesn't work in ffx3 :\
[05:23] <Thib_> so one of my problems can apparently be fixed by installing 2.6.24-11
[05:24] <Thib_> dotech: oh no, I like my Sirius :-|
[05:24] <Thib_> how does one go about making a given version of the kernel available at boot time?
[05:24] <tyron> tanner_: Yes i have stolen the girlfriends laptop
[05:24] <dotech> i have a headphone amp hooked up via usb and i set it as the default playback device, did the sound output test and hear it clearly
[05:24] <dotech> yet no sound from sirius :\
[05:24] <tanner_> tyron: alright, what video card do you have
[05:24] <Thib_> (I've only ever updated it via your-average-user updates, upwards)
[05:25] <tyron> tanner_: Nvidia geforce 7300 GO
[05:25] <dotech> i know their media player is horrible and doesn't conform to any standards, so im wondering how i can get around this now
[05:25] <ptr771> i am getting an error 15 from Grub after some auto updates and a restart -- can anyone help?
[05:25] <akk> DanaG: I think that's for artists who have no taste in colors
[05:25] <tanner_> tyron: how did you install the drivers?
[05:26] <tyron> tanner_: I didnt they just worked "out of the box"
[05:26] <Thib_> if anybody knows what magic apt-get command I could run...
[05:26] <ptr771> Seems to be the two later kernels 2.6.24-14 and 2.6.24-15 , 2.6.24-12 still seems to work
[05:26] <tanner_> alright, have you tried resetting the resolution? system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[05:27] <tyron> tanner_: Yes, and it doesnt give me any options. i also tried selecting the card and drive - logged back out and in but still same
[05:28] <dotech> Thib_: strange, it have audio when i click "Test" but when i go to the Sounds tab and try testing the sounds i don't hear anything
[05:29] <tanner_> tyron: sounds like your kernel upgrade has broken quite a few things
[05:29] <DanaG> Some of these are a bit nicer:  http://www.mtv-tama.com/
[05:29] <tyron> tanner_: can i "downgrade using the disc?
[05:29] <DanaG> Oh wait: on the audio thing:
[05:29] <DanaG> Perhaps PulseAudio is using the wrong device.
[05:30] <dotech> i have USB Audio selected for mine since it is a usb audio device
[05:30] <dotech> and i hear the sounds when i click Test
[05:30] <tanner_> tyron: dont believe so, however you already have the older packages on your system most likely
[05:30] <dotech> yet when i test the system action sounds i hear nothing, also nothing from anything else
[05:30] <tanner_> tyron: you *can* try (although we dont actually support it) using Envy to restore your video
[05:32] <tyron> tanner_: I dont no what that is? i think i install some sort of virtual kernel uname -r shows 2.6.24-14-virtual
[05:32] <Thib_> I need to install an older kernel than 8.04 beta ships with, how can I do that?
[05:32] <tanner_> hmm
[05:33] <tyron> tanner_: ifthe origional kernel is there could i rebuild it?
[05:33] <akk> Maybe try copying a kernel .deb from gutsy and installing it with dpkg -i ? (I don't know what deps kernel packages have, but it might work)
[05:34] <tanner_> tyron: does your grub boot menu not show the other kernel versions?
[05:34] <akk> (my suggestion was for Thib_)
[05:34] <tyron> tanner_: my grub does not show, ill reboot and make it show
[05:38] <tyron> tanner_: Yes. i booted in to the "generic one this time same issue though
[05:45] <Jordan_U> Is FF3b5 not packaged yet or is my mirror just behind?
[05:46] <Thib_> akk: something along those lines ... can you be more specific? I'm not very good
[05:46] <DG19075> I'm running FF 3b5 here
[05:46] <tyron> tanner_: You got it, i managed to boot in to the the kernel that was there before i ruined everything. there is about 30 kernels listed how do i get rid of all the ones i dont want?
[05:47] <Thib_> akk: I've been browsing things like http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/allpackages trying to find the magic package and hoping I can download it, bring it to the machine in question (which can't get online, right) and run some dpkg command.
[05:47] <Jordan_U> DG19075, What mirror are you using?
[05:47] <Flannel> tyron: remove their packages
[05:47] <DG19075> getting straighht from mozilla
[05:47] <Dr_willis> or set grub to only show the latest 3 kernels or so. :)
[05:48] <DG19075> but having a hell of a time trying to get 3b5 to run Java
[05:48] <Dr_willis> I was also having some firefox java issues eralier today
[05:48] <akk> Thib_: If you have a gutsy (or older) install sitting around, you probably have a kernel package sitting there, e.g. /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic_2.6.22-14.52_i386.deb
[05:48] <LibertyShadow> FF 3b4 crashes hotmail for me... its okay though, because gmail is better :D
[05:49] <akk> Thib_: I got that with: locate locate linux | fgrep .deb
[05:49] <Thib_> right, good iead
[05:49] <akk> Thib_: so if you do that on an older debian system, it'll show you kernel packages you have sitting around
[05:49] <tyron> Flannel: so if i just remove all kenels except for what uname -r shows now i should be ok?
[05:49] <Thib_> the one I'm speaking from now, yes
[05:49] <DanaG> Leave at least one old one, though.
[05:49] <Thib_> the machine I'm trying to ... teleport a little back in time can't get online
[05:49] <akk> Thib_: then take one of those, stick it on the new system and try dpkg -i whatever.deb and see if it works :)
[05:50] <Thib_> akk: okay, yes, I hope it does
[05:50] <Thib_> er, wait
[05:50] <DG19075> just trying to figure out how to do the symlinks so a Java install for 3b5 takes
[05:50] <Thib_> so the machine I'm on now (Gutsy) is i386
[05:50] <akk> Thib_: Can it read a usb stick or floppy or something? (actually these are probably way too big for a floppy)
[05:50] <Flannel> tyron: I'd keep at least one old one (keep one known good one, and then the latest), but yes.
[05:50] <Thib_> the machine I'm trying to fix is amd64 with multiple cores/cpus
[05:50] <Thib_> yes, it can read a USB stick, I was going to bring it that way
[05:51] <akk> Thib_: It will probably still work (the other way wouldn't work, but amd64 can probably use a regular x86 kernel)
[05:51] <Thib_> those aren't the same kernels, right?
[05:51] <DanaG> Heh, try moving the mouse and then simultaneously clicking the button.....
[05:51] <DanaG> it'll be late.
[05:51] <Thib_> well, but I wouldn't want to go to a single-core kernel or to 32 bits ... unless I become too desperate
[05:51] <akk> Thib_: I'm not sure, honestly, if 64-bit libs and a 32-bit kernel will work together, but it should be easy to try
[05:51] <Thib_> okay
[05:51] <tyron> Flannel: what is the latest i have booted in to 2.26.24-12
[05:52] <akk> Thib_: (I'm on an amd64 right now, but I installed a regular x86 ubuntu because I want to be able to run java and flash and google earth)
[05:52] <Flannel> tyron: Latest is whatever the current one is.  Just always wise to keep more than one, incase you discove some problem with the most recent, you can use the older one that you haven't found a problem with yet.
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> replace 14 with 15 for me
[05:52] <nomasteryoda> but not restartedyet...
[05:52] <Thib_> akk: well, funny you should say this...
[05:53] <Thib_> akk: so... I just got this amd64 laptop
[05:53] <DG19075> Has anyone gotten Java to work in Firefox 3b5 yet?
[05:53] <Thib_> akk: (it's my first non-32-bit, non-single-core machine)
[05:53] <Thib_> akk: Java doesn't work on it?
[05:53] <Thib_> or Flash?
[05:53] <Jordan_U> DG19075, What mirror are you using?
[05:53] <akk> Thib_: they may be better now ... it was 6 months ago or so when I tried it (or maybe longer) and none of them were available for 64-bit then
[05:54] <DG19075> usually use  the US mirror
[05:54] <Thib_> akk: oh... :-\
[05:54] <Thib_> hmm
[05:54] <akk> Thib_: and ubuntu has some compat libs but they only work if you're willing to set up a chroot (sounded like way too much work to me)
[05:54] <Thib_> er, for me too :-)
[05:54] <mesilliac> akk: are you sure you need to set up a chroot? I thought it was all automatic now
[05:54] <Thib_> [grunt]
[05:55] <Thib_> okay
[05:55] <dotech> even though i changed my sound to USB Audio, if i run alsamixer it defaults to the Realtek onboard chip
[05:55] <akk> mesilliac: as I said, this was 6 months ago or so ... maybe it's better now
[05:55] <Thib_> let me ask something else
[05:55] <dotech> i wonder if that is why i don't hear any sound
[05:55] <Thib_> so the reason I need to "downgrade" my kernel is because of this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/201180
[05:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 201180 in linux "[hardy] kernel 2.6.24-12 breaks wireless (atheros)" [Medium,Triaged]
[05:55] <Thib_> but I see that there are 2.6.24-15 and 2.6.24-16 packages for Hardy now
[05:56] <Thib_> would those have fixed this bug?
[05:56] <Thib_> (I presume not unless the bug report says it's fixed)
[05:56] <Thib_> (which it doesn't) :-(
[05:56] <mesilliac> if the bug report doesn't say it's been fixed, it probably hasn't :)
[05:56] <akk> Thib_: The bug is status triaged, not fixed, so right, what mesilliac says
[05:57] <DG19075> If there's another mirror that has workable Java for ths, it'd be helpful....
[05:57] <Thib_> right :-(
[05:57] <akk> Thib_: You can probably get the amd64 packages for linux-image-$version from here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-updates/base/
[05:58] <ethana2> another day, another convert
[05:58] <ethana2> *sigh*
[05:58] <ethana2> i hope this goes well....
[05:59] <Thib_> akk: right, thanks, I'm digging through it now
[05:59] <Thib_> akk: parenthetically, here: https://sdlc5a.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet;jsessionid=93BD0E84C8D97A72D999450EF331934A
[05:59] <akk> Thib_: Hmm, actually I'm not seeing an amd64 version either there or in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/
[05:59] <Thib_> (bad URL, no cookie)
[05:59] <Thib_> akk: it says there's a "Linux x64" version
[06:00] <akk> oh, cool
[06:00] <Thib_> (but it says "use 32-bit version for applets and WebStart)
[06:00] <akk> though I worry less about java than flash and google earth
[06:00] <Thib_> fair statement :-)
[06:00] <akk> oh, applets are the only java I do lately
[06:01] <Thib_> I worry about Java because all my work is in Java and Eclipse, so, without Java or with a crippled Java, it's going to be hard to go to my boss and justify the brick I just bought.
[06:01] <Jordan_U> Thib_, If nothing else you can setup a 32 bit chroot
[06:02] <akk> Thib_: This says it's for x86_64 ... is that amd64? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/base/linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-14-rt
[06:02] <Thib_> Jordan_U: that's what akk said -- is it difficult? (sounds difficult)
[06:02] <Thib_> well, I don't want the -rt patch
[06:02] <Jordan_U> !chroot | Thib_
[06:02] <ubotu> Thib_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot use this to build 32 bit environments on a 64 bit box
[06:02] <Thib_> but I was wondering the same thing about http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic
[06:03] <Jordan_U> Thib_, It's fairly difficult, any reason that you need to be running 64 bit Ubuntu?
[06:03] <xtknight> w00t.  on hardy now.  after fedora and suse failed to even boot.  hardy on the other hand worked (w/ safe gfx mode) and nvidia/window effects/multi monitor support out of the box.  i'm thrilled :D
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> xtknight, cool
[06:04] <Thib_> Jordan_U: well, uh, not intentionally... it's just that my new laptop has a Turion X2
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> hardy is quite impressive
[06:04] <xtknight> yes i think it's a big step up from previous versions
[06:04] <xtknight> drive mounting looks to be more systematic now..
[06:04] <Thib_> akk: I found the answer
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:04] <xtknight> i mount something it actually appears in My Computer.  there is a link between fstab and hal now
[06:04] <nomasteryoda> lots of polish
[06:05] <Jordan_U> Thib_, 32 bit operating systems can be run on 64 bit hardware
[06:05] <dotech> wow, i just listened to /bin/bash
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> will be a big party on the 24th
[06:05] <Thib_> akk: yes, x86_64 means "amd64", because I see in the description of the package on my amd64 machine has the same description
[06:05] <dotech> that was not pleasant.
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:05] <akk> Thib_: ah, good
[06:05] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  that can be annoying at times also. :)
[06:05] <xtknight> Dr_willis: ooh yeah?
[06:05] <xtknight> amd64 cpus can run all 32bit code altho some 64-bit native cpus can not necessarily run 32bit code.  im not sure about the itanium
[06:05] <Jordan_U> dotech, "cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp" ?
[06:05] <dotech> cat /bin/bash > /dev/dsp1 == i hear binary
[06:05] <dotech> haha yea
[06:05] <Thib_> Jordan_U: well, yes, of course... you can also set up your 500GB hard drive to use only the first 250GB and leave the other 250GB alone...
[06:05] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  every *&&@ fusesmb, or fuseWhatever mount i was doing kept poping up filemanager windows for me the other day
[06:06] <dotech> i think thats why i don't have sound :)
[06:06] <dotech> my device is dsp1, not dsp
[06:06] <xtknight> Dr_willis: ah well yeah it autoopens a window.
[06:06] <Thib_> it's not so much what I can do I'm worried about, it's just that I feel bad having to leave behind some of the benefit of a new machine.
[06:06] <xtknight> Dr_willis: but it's not too bad, i'd rather it do that than not show anything in my computer i guess
[06:06] <Cpudan80> Hello all
[06:06] <Cpudan80> I tried the HH beta today
[06:06] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  and if you were vnc'd in or using remote xdmcp. it shows up on EVERY users desktop.
[06:06] <Cpudan80> Minor problem
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> Dr_willis, that's not nice
[06:07] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  so the fix for a 'singgle user' just borked the  multi-user stuff. :)
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Thib_, Except that for most uses ( see: almost anything but rendering and number crunching ) there isn't much of an advantage to using 64 bit
[06:07] <Cpudan80> I have my laptop's screen resolution set to 1024x768 --- but the external monitor should be at 1280x1024
[06:07] <xtknight> Dr_willis: ah hmm
[06:07] <hotmonkeyluv> Where are screen savers installed to in Hardy?
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> esp if you have some documents you don't want others to see
[06:07] <Dr_willis> So its  'user friendlyness' at the cost of other annoyances..
[06:07] <xtknight> Dr_willis: but only one of the multiusers would have to close it.  at least in case of vnc right?
[06:07] <Cpudan80> That works ok ---- but the gnome panels and menus and stuff don't take up the full screen
[06:07] <hydrogen> for almost all cases
[06:07] <xtknight> Dr_willis: or does each of these multiusers haev a unique login
[06:07] <hydrogen> 64bit is more of a headache
[06:07] <xtknight> so that it appears on all
[06:07] <hydrogen> than a help
[06:07] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  but if one of the other users happened to open it. then you cant unmount the thing.
[06:07] <Cpudan80> Like the menu bar is in the middle of the screen on the bigger monitor (vs on the bottom)
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, System, Preferences, Screensaver
[06:07] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  ive seen it both ways.
[06:07] <nomasteryoda> ?
[06:07] <decay> how do i check to see which hard drive is sda, sdb, sdc, etc
[06:08] <xtknight> Cpudan80: do you have two monitors?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> xtknight,  i went to the upstairs machine and it had about a dozen 'what do you want to do with this disk' dialogs.. :)
[06:08] <xtknight> decay: right click the drive icon and it's on one of the tabs
[06:08] <xtknight> Dr_willis: lol
[06:08] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I meant the actually directory, like /usr/bin/hacked/again
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> ah
[06:08] <xtknight> Dr_willis: it's just asking for all the uesrs' opinions? :P
[06:08] <Cpudan80> xtknight: yeah
[06:09] <xtknight> Cpudan80: ok well have you ever installed a video driver before?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> of coruse right now, removeable media - is defaulting to using the Dolphin file manager . not konqueror for me.
[06:09] <decay> xtknight: it isnt =[
[06:09] <Cpudan80> xtknight: On hardy no -- I just tried the live CD
[06:09] <xtknight> decay, weird looks like they removed this from hardy?
[06:09] <redwhitewaldo>  which version of flash should i install. Firefox is giving me these 2 options: gnash and adobe.
[06:10] <Cpudan80> But yes I have installed the ATI drivers on GG
[06:10] <Dr_willis> id rather have a  nice mounting tool..  then try to clone how windows handles removeabel media.
[06:10] <jcarey75> Anyone have an idea why the system monitor shows 494 GiB as total space of / with 406 GiB Free, but / is only using 12 GB (per file system properties), I installed to 1 partition ( / ) and emptied trash for root and the user account.
[06:10] <decay> xtknight: maybe. the problem im having is gnome is auto mounting my drives, and then i cant really browse through them. so i wanna add them to fstab
[06:10] <xtknight> Cpudan80: oh ok.  well when you install it you can use the Restricted Drivers Manager ("jockey") to  install ati drivers ("fglrx"
[06:11] <xtknight> Cpudan80:  then you can use Screens and Graphics under other tools (or something like that) to configure each of your screens properly. and be sure to pay attention to whether you enable widescreen.
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[06:11] <Jordan_U> redwhitewaldo, Unless your initials are RMS you probably want to choose adobe ( for now at least :)
[06:11] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: thanks!
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> Jordan_U: what's RMS?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> !rms
[06:12] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> you can launch anyone of those in a window
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> Jordan_U: why is adobe better?
[06:12] <Dr_willis> adobe is the OFFICIAL/REAL flash
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> ok. thanks.
[06:12] <redwhitewaldo> i'll install that then.
[06:13] <hydrogen> rms is one hell of a zealot
[06:13] <Jordan_U> redwhitewaldo, Richard M. Stallman :)
[06:13] <hydrogen> thats tha best way to describe him
[06:13] <Dr_willis> you may want to install the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package also
[06:13] <Cpudan80> xtknight: My ATI card wasn't supported by fglrx in GG
[06:13] <Cpudan80> It's an old Radeon 7500
[06:13] <xtknight> o
[06:13] <xtknight> hmm
[06:13] <xtknight> well i think there's a new radeonhd driver
[06:13] <xtknight> but i dunno if that supports 7500?
[06:13] <xtknight> i'm assuming not
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, this one is fun to put on the screen in a smaller window... hehe  /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar
[06:14] <Cpudan80> xtknight: But either way - I should be able to use the opensource driver right?
[06:14] <Cpudan80> And just config the screen?
[06:14] <xtknight> Cpudan80: i'm not sure.  but ya if it supports multi monitors, ya
[06:14] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: how do you do that
[06:14] <Cpudan80> I didn't see screens and graphics in the system menu
[06:14] <Cpudan80> Yeah it supports multi-monitors
[06:15] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: wait
[06:15] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I got it, silly me
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:15] <xtknight> Cpudan80: i saw mine, used it a little, installed some updates, then it disappeared :\
[06:15] <xtknight> cmdline is displayconfig-gtk
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> if you use the & on the end of the command it will go "background" and still run ... so you can use the terminal for other things
[06:15] <xtknight> rather "gksu displayconfig-gtk"
[06:16] <Cpudan80> xtknight: I'll check it out
[06:16] <xtknight> Cpudan80: you on the livecd right now?
[06:16] <Cpudan80> no
[06:17] <Cpudan80> And it takes so long to boot --- I really dont want to do it :-/
[06:17] <xtknight> doh
[06:17] <xtknight> because of pc specs or a bug?
[06:17] <Cpudan80> PC specs
[06:17] <Cpudan80> slow CD drive
[06:17] <Cpudan80> it takes like 2-3 mins
[06:18] <Cpudan80> The HDD install (of GG) is quite good
[06:18] <xtknight> 2-3 mins ? not bad
[06:18] <akk> Are there machines where booting from a live CD is fast? I've never seen one.
[06:18] <xtknight> my pc is about the same and i'd consider it fairly state of the art
[06:19] <akk> of course, part of why it's slow is that ubuntu does way too much at boot time then loads a big bloated gnome desktop :)
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> hotmonkeyluv, thanks... i had forgotten about that feature... now my glslideshow can run right on the desktop... hehe as a window
[06:20] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I'm trying to get glmatrix to play as my desktop
[06:20] <GhotiPhud> did anyone else have breakage during today's updates?
[06:20] <hotmonkeyluv> GhotiPhud: nope
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> ah hotmonkeyluv might be kinda difficult.. the cmatrix workss ok for that
[06:20] <xtknight> what kind of breakage?
[06:20] <GhotiPhud> my hard drive won't complete the check now
[06:20] <DG19075> No breakage, but Java doesn't work in FF 3b5
[06:20] <GhotiPhud> get's to like 15% then dies out
[06:21] <GhotiPhud> reboots the computer
[06:21] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: oh, thanks
[06:21] <GhotiPhud> if I skip it, I can boot fine
[06:21] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: I was having a tab bit o' trouble
[06:21] <nomasteryoda> and most of the 3d stuff with gl makes issues with compiz... so the fusion-icon comes in handy for switching it off... on my intel graphics based laptop at least
[06:22] <GhotiPhud> I think my problem may be that it died during the upgrades
[06:22] <GhotiPhud> but I've updated all the way now
[06:22] <redwhitewaldo> Dr_willis: why should one install ubuntu-restricted packages too?
[06:23] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: how can I get cmatrix to play *as* the desktop and not on it?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> redwhitewaldo,  it grabs a lot of this stuff, java, flash, codecs, othe bits..
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> hang on hotmonkeyluv
[06:23] <Dr_willis> saves a lot of time ane people asking questions :)
[06:24] <Jordan_U> nomasteryoda, I've made a script that disables compiz ( if it is running ) , runs the command passed to it in the arguments, then re-enables compiz after the command finishes and I use it for all of my launchers to 3D apps
[06:24] <dotech> is there a way to force firefox to use /dev/audio1?
[06:25] <dotech> seems like no matter what i do the system continues to use /dev/audio or /dev/dsp
[06:25] <os2mac> linke /dev/audio1 to /dev/audio?
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Jordan_U, nice...
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> i use compiz-switch on my gutsy install...
[06:26] <x1250> Jordan_U: could you upload somwhere that script? If you want, ofcourse...
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> http://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/use-a-screensaver-as-desktop-wallpaper-299410.php
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> that's the method i used... before hotmonkeyluv
[06:27] <nomasteryoda> time to snooze... gn
[06:27] <Jordan_U> x1250, Sure, I hacked it together quickly in perl, so don't expect much
[06:28] <x1250> thanks :D
[06:29] <hotmonkeyluv> nomasteryoda: thanks!
[06:29] <DanaG> fun thing to do with hard drives:
[06:29] <DanaG> cat them piped into aplay.
[06:29] <Jordan_U> x1250, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62215/
[06:29] <dotech> haha man
[06:29] <nomasteryoda> DanaG, lol
[06:29] <dotech> when i first connect the usb device i hear this crazy jungle music
[06:30] <gaminggeek> anyone here got a tablet to work on hardy?
[06:30] <dotech> i know im so close to getting this to work
[06:31] <akk> gaminggeek: someone pointed earlier to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/28084
[06:31] <os2mac> DanaG:  forgive my ignorance but what would that do?
[06:32] <DanaG> Or rather, cat partitions to the sound card that way.
[06:32] <DanaG> Different file systems sound different.
[06:32] <dotech> haha
[06:33] <gaminggeek> akk: sorry but that is useless
[06:33] <forrest> hi, I just installed virtualbox and the gui looks bad, is there a QT package I'm missing or something maybe? the gui looks real chunky :p
[06:33] <dotech> anyway, im trying to listen to some  breakbeats, not bash
[06:33] <dotech> when i plug in my usb audio device it plays jungle music for 5 seconds :)
[06:33] <dotech> i know it works
[06:33] <x1250> Jordan_U: thanks, I'll try it later :)
[06:34] <dotech> but for some reason no other audio is getting directed to it unless i manually redirect something to /dev/audio1
[06:34] <dotech> in syslog i get 1 strange message, alsa-util.c: Cannot find fallback mixer control "Mic".
[06:34] <dotech> from pulseaudio
[06:36] <Jordan_U> x1250, np
[06:43] <DanaG> wtf? quodlibet won't play anything!
[06:43] <DanaG> Fri Apr  4 22:43:21 2008: GStreamer encountered a general resource error.
[06:43] <woodwizzle> Whats the best way to make a USB hard drive a permanent part of my filesystem? Should I just manually edit my fstab?
[06:44] <gaminggeek> why do you want to do that?
[06:44] <gaminggeek> and yes fstab would be your best shot
[06:44] <woodwizzle> gaminggeek: Its a 750gb drive that I keep all my movies, music, fonts etc and misc data on
[06:45] <gaminggeek> do you want to mount it to /home/woodwizzle/stuff rather than /media/stuff?
[06:46] <akk> You might need to make a udev rule so the specific drive is recognized.
[06:46] <woodwizzle> gaminggeek: Not sure really. In the past it has been /media/stuff, I'm running a 1 user system
[06:47] <woodwizzle> I want to make it part of the filesystem so banshee knows where my music is, and tracker or beagle knows what to index
[06:48] <woodwizzle> editing my fstab is no prob. I've done it tons in the past. But there really should be a GUI for this kinda thing I think. A lot of desktop users have a large backup or media drive connected at all times
[06:49] <woodwizzle> gaminggeek: Why do you ask where I want to mount it? Is there something I'm not considering?
[06:49] <akk> Adding an fstab line is easy. The only tricky part is figuring out where the disk will be, e.g. will it always be /dev/sda or whatever
[06:50] <bastid_raZor> akk; use UUID then
[06:50] <akk> for that, you might want to add a rule like the ones in /etc/udev/rules.d/65-persistent-storage.rules
[06:51] <woodwizzle> ooh, there is a gui. Just right click on the drive under computer, then click preferences. Its under the Volume tab
[06:51] <akk> yeah, or uuid, that's another way
[06:52] <dotech> i think my problem is pulseaudio
[06:53] <mindframe> how do i go back to the ubuntu nvidia driver after i've compiled/installed the one directly from nvidia?
[06:54] <dotech> yea pulse is definitely my problem
[06:59] <dotech> ok so maybe this question is easier
[06:59] <dotech> How do I set the device that pulse audio uses?
[06:59] <dotech> I know its sending all audio to my onboard audio chip now because I hear sirius through it
[07:05] <xtknight> does anyone else get oddly huge fonts in firefox
[07:05] <xtknight> like 'next' and 'previous' on a google reuslts page are huge/
[07:08] <jcarey75> xtknight they do look a little bigger
[07:08] <xtknight> jcarey75, well mine look giant
[07:08] <xtknight> like size hmm 40?
[07:08] <xtknight> should be about 16 i think
[07:09] <jcarey75> Yeah, mine are set at  in content, fonts & colors, but I changed the default to FreeSans
[07:09] <jcarey75> set at 16
[07:13] <xtknight> jcarey75, like this? http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/4/4/4/f_bigfontsm_e41c2be.jpg
[07:13] <xtknight> jcarey75, could be my AdBlock extension i'm not sure.
[07:13] <xtknight> my font size is set to default in FF, and i didnt touch fonts controls
[07:13] <jcarey75> xtknight, Ha!  I would definitely have noticed that!
[07:14] <xtknight> lol
[07:14] <jcarey75> I'm using 3.0b4
[07:15] <xtknight> same.  stock.  still happens w/ adblock disabled
[07:15] <xtknight> it scales proportional to my font size but there's no reason it's that big to begin with
[07:15] <T1m0thy> Why isn't FF upgraded yet?
[07:15] <xtknight> unless someone at google decided to play a prank on me or something
[07:16] <xtknight> i think ubuntuforums have the same huge font size where they shouldnt
[07:16] <xtknight> hmm i did install microsoft TTF fonts from ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:16] <xtknight> but..
[07:17] <jcarey75> I did too
[07:18] <Fritzel> what utility do you use to configure runlevels?
[07:20] <macogw> when are translation strings due?
[07:20] <macogw> oh wait
[07:20] <macogw> this is a universe package
[07:21] <xtknight> LanguagePackTranslationDeadline April 17
[07:22] <xtknight> NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline April 10, depends
[07:29] <Thib_> well :-(
[07:29] <Thib_> it seems that my wireless adapter doesn't work with anything
[07:29] <Thib_> Gutsy or Hardy, x86 or amd64.
[07:30] <Thib_> from Google searches there is circumstantial evidence I'm not alone.
[07:30] <Thib_> I guess that in the mean time I'll get a USB wireless card
[07:30] <Thib_> :-|
[07:31] <Thib_> of course even if I had wireless my graphics card isn't working either, but that's another story
[07:31] <Thib_> thanks everyone, laterz
[07:34] <Jordan_U> !boot | Fritzel ( BTW, upstart does not have a concept of runlevels )
[07:34] <ubotu> Fritzel ( BTW, upstart does not have a concept of runlevels ): Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:34] <Dr_willis> he wil have to wait for Intoxicated Ibix i guess? :)
[07:42] <shirish> can somebody look at this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/212093
[07:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 212093 in linux "GDM not working while booting hardy kernel 2.6.24-15-generic" [Undecided,New]
[07:42] <shirish> and lemme know if any more info. is needed.
[07:44] <Cheetah> morning
[07:44] <SuperQ> yup
[07:45] <Cheetah> is there a detailed list of changes/changelog for ubuntu 8.04? I'm curious about which libs changed, etc
[07:45] <SuperQ> eek
[07:45] <SuperQ> that's gonna be 1000 packages long
[07:46] <Cheetah> hmm, so what? :D
[07:46] <SuperQ> Cheetah: do you want to know between 6.06 or 7.10?
[07:46] <Cheetah> 7.10 -> 8.04
[07:46] <SuperQ> I suppose you could automate some kind of diff
[07:47] <Cheetah> basically i just want to look up a few packages
[07:47] <SuperQ> pull all the changelogs for all packages
[07:47] <SuperQ> oh, that's easy
[07:47] <Cheetah> not the whole diff ;)
[07:47] <SuperQ> http://packages.ubuntu.com/packagename
[07:47] <Cheetah> oh
[07:47] <Cheetah> it's already there
[07:47]  * Cheetah checks it out
[07:48] <Cheetah> ah yeah
[07:48] <Cheetah> thanks a lot
[07:48] <Cheetah> that's what I was looking for
[07:48] <SuperQ> yea, no problem
[07:49] <ptr771> Hi I am getting an Error 15 : file not found when booting from Grub after an update the kernel and restart (2.6.24-15 & 14). My 2.6.24-12 kernel boots fine. Can anyone suggest what the prob may be?
[07:49] <Cheetah> right now I'm using 7.10 to do some programming work. As 8.04 ships with the same version of qt4 it would be working if I upgrade to 8.04 to test my apps on it. Any big things I should watch out for while upgrading?
[07:52] <SuperQ> ptr771: grub error 15 is file loading problem
[07:52] <SuperQ> ptr771: most of the time it's a filename problem
[07:53] <SuperQ> ptr771: try sudo /usr/sbin/update-grub booted to the working kernel
[07:54] <ptr771> superQ: I'll give it a try -- this occurred after some automatic updates and the files look fine me
[07:54] <SuperQ> ptr771: ok
[07:59] <ptr771> SuperQ: did the grub-update and which picked up the different versions but still get the Error 15 when try to boot of either the -14 or -15
[07:59] <shirish> he could have also used apt-listchanges for the same.
[08:01] <SuperQ> ptr771: hrm, I guess I don't know off the top of my head
[08:02] <ptr771> SuperQ: is there anyway to tell whta file was not found? The files points to in the menu.lst are all there as far as I can tell.
[08:03] <SuperQ> ptr771: you can ls -l the filenames in the grub config
[08:03] <SuperQ> ptr771: I'd show you my setup, but it's setup for an encrypted partition, wouldn't probably make sense to you :)
[08:15] <compwiz18> does anyone have a Broadcom 4306 rev 3 working w/ b43?
[08:17] <J-_> How can I seen how much video memory I have?
[08:19] <redwhitewaldo> how can i have my ubuntu+1 comp automatically upgrade to latest firefox beta?
[08:21] <ty> Everytime i log out/restart i have to change my resolution back from 640*480 why wont it save?
[08:21] <ethana2> redwhitewaldo: just wait
[08:22] <ethana2> ty: what gpu?
[08:22] <ty> nvidia 7300 GO
[08:23] <ty> it was fine and then i acctidently install a wrong kernel i have sinc removed and everything worksfine except for this
[08:24] <ty> Sorry just saw that restricted driver was not in use will reboot and see what happens
[08:25] <Jordan_U> I can has FF3b5?
[08:25] <redwhitewaldo> ethana2: what do you mean? fx3b4 will automatically become b5 and then fx3final?
[08:26] <ethana2> hmm
[08:26] <ethana2> yes
[08:26] <ethana2> redwhitewaldo: it just lags behind a day or three
[08:26] <ethana2> hmm
[08:31] <gluer> im using FF3b5 much more stable
[08:44] <Geoffrey2> does Heron seem to still be on track for a late April release?
[08:45] <DarkMageZ> Geoffrey2, nothing will delay the release cept something that prevents it from booting on the majority of systems.
[08:48] <dennda> does totems youtube plugin work for anybody? I get errors whenever I start playing a video
[08:52] <Geoffrey2> it'll be interesting to see if the new kernel boots on my desktop without the kernel flag I need to pass to get Gutsy to boot up...
[08:53] <ryanzec> I have installed ubuntu 8.04 and seem to found an isssue. My laptop screen seems to be very dim even tho it is att 100% in power management(but if looks like it does when i put my dim to 30% on 7.10). it also does not seem to affect anything when i change the dim percentage.  is this a known issue?
[08:54] <gluer> ryanzec: add the brightness applet
[08:57] <gluer> ryanzec: there is a package called xbacklight or something but its not ready for hardy, i just added the brightness applet, worked for my asus laptop
[09:01] <x1250> it works in here also
[09:01] <x1250> dell laptop
[09:05] <ryanzec> gluer: where do i get the brightness applet from?
[09:06] <gluer> ryanzec: right click the taskbar - add applet
[09:06] <gluer> sorry add to panel
[09:07] <gluer> its under system & hardware
[09:10] <ryanzec> any reason why the power management does not control this anymore?
[09:10] <gluer> NFI
[09:11] <ryanzec> well i got the brightness applet in and got my laptop screen looking good but the slider is still showing up even i remove i tried to click on the applet to close it and even tried to remove the applet from the task bar.
[09:12] <gluer> ryanzec: but the world is bright right? ;-)
[09:12] <ryanzec> yea
[09:13] <ty> where are he settings for gnome panel stored for each user?
[09:14] <pen> anyone know why avant-window-navigator always recreate the icon when you click it?
[09:14] <pen> and move it to far right
[09:15] <ryanzec> i have used this link to be able to player flash video players http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=476924 : do i still need it?
[09:16] <doolz> pen: join #AWN
[09:17] <bullgard4> What is the most complete list of Gutsy feature upgrades towards Hardy?
[09:20] <ty> how do you kill a process?
[09:20] <LegolasV> ty: kill <pid>
[09:20] <turbotruck> hey, there
[09:20] <turbotruck> can use some help
[09:21] <ty> legolasV: what if i dont know the pid
[09:21] <LegolasV> ty: ps aux|grep <processname> and you can see all the pid's
[09:21] <turbotruck> i've the tarballed hanmade internet authorizator provided by my damn ISP
[09:22] <turbotruck> when i compile it a receive such an error log: http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html
[09:23] <turbotruck> i can download packages only manually under win system where i have the internet connection
[09:23] <turbotruck> and i'm newbee to linux
[09:24] <Dr_willis> I would run a long network cable.. :)
[09:24] <turbotruck> this error "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lzlib" means that i need an zlibc package or what?
[09:25] <Dr_willis> yep zlib-dev or simthing simillary named
[09:25] <Dr_willis> !find zlib
[09:25] <ubotu> Found: libcompress-raw-zlib-perl, libcompress-zlib-perl, libio-compress-zlib-perl, libio-zlib-perl, libruby1.8 (and 10 others)
[09:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. try  -->   apt-cache search zlib | grep dev
[09:26] <turbotruck> and what it does
[09:26] <turbotruck> ?
[09:26] <Dr_willis> well if yu dont know the basics of the package manageing system.. i think you may NOT want to be using the beta.
[09:27] <turbotruck> i have the fresh and clean hardy
[09:27] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[09:27] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[09:27] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search, searches the apt packages
[09:27] <turbotruck> where?
[09:27] <Dr_willis> where what?
[09:27] <turbotruck> over the Inet?
[09:28] <Dr_willis> apt keeps a local database of packages. thats what 'apt-get update' does
[09:28] <Dr_willis> You have a long hard road ahead - if you are not going to have any  internet connection.
[09:28] <Dr_willis> Im averating about 100 mb+ of updates here every few days.
[09:29] <ere4si> there is sneakernet :)
[09:29] <Dr_willis> I perfer a long-cable-net
[09:30] <turbotruck> i will get the connection if i install this authorizator
[09:30] <Dr_willis> authorizer?
[09:30] <turbotruck> a-ah whatever
[09:30] <turbotruck> :)
[09:30]  * Dr_willis is totally lost.
[09:30] <turbotruck> i mean authorizator to me equals authorizar
[09:31]  * Dr_willis is still totally lost.
[09:31] <turbotruck> authorizer
[09:31] <turbotruck> why?
[09:31] <turbotruck> :)
[09:31] <Dr_willis> ive neerheard the term 'authorizer' befor used  with linux, or windows, or networking.
[09:32] <turbotruck> okay, the authentification system, that's better?
[09:32] <turbotruck> it is provided in a tarball
[09:32] <turbotruck> which is a handmade sh#t by my ISP
[09:35] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, and what package i should download if the cache search will be unsuccessful?
[09:36] <Dr_willis> zlib1g-dev - compression library - development
[09:36] <Dr_willis>        seems close here..
[09:36] <Dr_willis> of course there also the actual zlib1g  libaray package.. and whatever  else that may depend on
[09:37] <turbotruck> it seems to me that i have installed this one -> zlib1g-dev_<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-7ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:38] <Dr_willis> thers also the zlib1g - compression library - runtime
[09:40] <turbotruck> emm, can you giva a direct link on http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ ?
[09:42] <Dr_willis> You cant go there with a web browser? its under the libraries section
[09:42] <Dr_willis> seems to be at http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/z/zlib/zlib1g_<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-7ubuntu1_i386.deb
[09:43] <turbotruck> ah, i got this one too
[09:44] <turbotruck> okay, it's D-time
[09:44] <turbotruck> gone trying
[09:44] <WGGMk> Are the dependencies for the new kernel broke?
[09:46] <x1250> not till yesterday at least :)
[09:49] <WGGMk> is anyone having trouble upgrading to the new kernel?
[09:50] <Dr_willis> not that i have heard WGGMk
[09:50] <x1250> better say what is your problem...
[09:53] <pen> where should I go for compiz fusion? I want the newest compiz fusion 0.7.4 where can I get that besides bz
[09:53] <Dr_willis> pen,  if you want the newest.. source is the way to go..
[09:53] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, nope, that didn't work
[09:54] <WGGMk> This is my problem http://pastebin.org/27532
[09:54] <turbotruck> still got this error "not found -lzlib"
[09:54] <turbotruck> but both zlib1g and zlib1g-dev are installed
[09:54] <pen> Dr_willis: well, it's not as smooth as a repository
[09:55] <Dr_willis> libzlcore-dev - zlibrary core - development files
[09:55] <Dr_willis> libzltext-dev - zlibrary text model/viewer - development files
[09:55] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search zlib  shows some others also.
[09:56] <x1250> WGGMk: try cleaning you're cache and redownload the files. See if that works
[09:57] <visik7> hibernate on hardy works but doesn't shutdown after finish to save ram to disk if I hard shutdown then restart it exit from hibernate
[09:58] <DBO> why does my computer set hdparm -B 128 on /dev/sda every time i resume from suspend.  It is ignoring my laptop-mode settings completely.
[09:59] <Dr_willis> DBO,  thers some scripts that get ran after resuming. Ive seen some forums/tweaks mention how to override them
[09:59] <forrest> anyone know how I can install this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules/23
[09:59] <forrest> since I dont see it on the repositories?
[09:59] <forrest> yet
[09:59] <lintel> do I have to repatch madwifi after upgrading to 2.6.24-15?
[10:00] <DBO> Dr_willis, yeah I thought so too... For the life of me I can't find such a script.  I did my best grep foo
[10:00] <WGGMk> x1250: I tried clearing the cache via Synaptic and it did not seem to work
[10:00] <Dr_willis> DBO,  google for ubuntu hard drive clicking :)
[10:01] <Dr_willis> http://www.linux-hero.com/rant/explanation-ubuntu-hard-drive-wear-and-tear
[10:01] <DBO> Dr_willis, yeah I know how to hack around the issue.  I am more curious to figure out what script is setting the wrong value initially so I can tell it to be less stupid
[10:02] <DBO> I mean ubuntu's method of dealing with laptop-mode is nothing short of brain dead to begin with...  but why dear god why is it being set to 128 every time?  I can't find anything that says it does that
[10:02] <Dr_willis> the threads detail this.
[10:03] <Dr_willis> The script that's executed when you plug or unplug your laptop is /etc/acpi/power.sh    - wonder if thats it..
[10:03] <DBO> actually unplugging/pluggin my laptop causes laptop-mode to fire and fixes the issue
[10:03] <Dr_willis> There is also script /etc/apm/event.d/20hdparm. This script also sets the spin-down timeout
[10:04] <DBO> im looking for something setting -B to 128
[10:05] <DBO> specifically 128... as that seems to be what it is set to after resume every single time
[10:05] <forrest> Is there anyway I can get access to this? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/virtualbox-ose-modules
[10:05] <forrest> I've ran 'apt-get update' but I dont see it
[10:06] <Dr_willis> it may be in the medibuntu repos that are not officially out yet.
[10:08] <forrest> what are those?
[10:08] <forrest> the addresses?
[10:08] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[10:08] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[10:09] <DBO> Dr_willis, just tested...  making a 98-laptop-mode-hack script in /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d that restarts laptop-mode fixes the issue
[10:09] <DBO> Dr_willis, that said... I would still like to know why its so brain dead...
[10:10] <Dr_willis> whys whats so brain dead?
[10:10] <DBO> well, i grepped my entire system for scripts calling hdparm, none of them are setting it to 128 (i added traces to most all of them)
[10:10] <DBO> so why when i resume, is my power management level at 128?
[10:10] <DBO> its frustrating is all
[10:11] <Dr_willis> could be nothing is setting it. and its the hd's default thats kicking back in
[10:14] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, nothing changed
[10:14] <turbotruck> it still can't find this damn lzlib
[10:14] <turbotruck> can you, please,  have a look at the error log - http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html ?
[10:14] <turbotruck> seems to be i'm blind
[10:14] <turbotruck> and missing some simple thing
[10:15] <WGGMk> Does anyone have a clue why the last 2 kernel images are being held back for me? http://pastebin.org/27532
[10:19] <ere4si> WGGMk: it says dependency probs
[10:20] <Dr_willis> hmm
[10:20] <WGGMk> ere4si: for lack of a better way to word this.... how do i fix it lol?
[10:21] <ere4si> WGGMk: how did you upgrade?
[10:21] <DBO> yeah that one is just spiffy
[10:22] <WGGMk> ere4si: fresh install.. but if you mean keeping up-to-date, have a habit of updating from the terminal if makes a difference
[10:22] <DBO> what command?
[10:22] <WGGMk> DBO: do i use?
[10:22] <DBO> yes
[10:23] <WGGMk> DBO: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:23] <DBO> try
[10:23] <DBO> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[10:23] <DBO> its a little less braindead
[10:23] <WGGMk> not sure I follow. why would my method cause an issue?
[10:24] <DBO> aptitude is better at solving dependencies than regular apt-get
[10:26] <WGGMk> it still has the same problem
[10:26] <DBO> super =)
[10:26] <DBO> try
[10:27] <DBO> sudo aptitude install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-14-generic
[10:28] <WGGMk> same
[10:29] <DBO> hmmm
[10:29] <DBO> does sudo apt-get -f install do anything fun?
[10:29] <WGGMk> WTB latest Kernel (Paying Well) lol
[10:29] <kRush> pausing rhythmbox or totem gives me 100% cpu usage from pulseaudio, is this a known bug?
[10:30] <WGGMk> yea, it does stuff but its not fun
[10:30] <DBO> kRush, if you kill pulse does gnome-power-manager do funny things when pulse is at 100?
[10:31] <DBO> WGGMk, same thing as before?
[10:31] <WGGMk> DBO: yessum
[10:32] <kRush> DBO, uhm funny like what? I don't have to kill it actually resuming/closing the audio-app is just fine
[10:32] <DBO> WGGMk, you sir are going to have to play lord of the dpkg i thinks...  unless someone else has something magical to try
[10:32] <DBO> kRush, really now?
[10:32] <WGGMk> DBO: question is, how did my dependencies become broke?
[10:32] <kRush> yeah
[10:33] <DBO> WGGMk, im going to guess the recent alignment of the sun and the moon caused a vortex swirling in the very fabric of space time and... magic
[10:35] <DBO> WGGMk, see all those package names in your big long error?  There are corresponding packages for them in /var/cache/apt/archives.  Find them and copy them all to a folder on your desktop (or wherever) then cd into that folder and run sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[10:35] <jk_> is there a file that shows updates
[10:37] <WGGMk> DBO: they are not in /var/chace/apt/archives.. only 1 file and 1 folder.. file contains nothing nor does the folder
[10:38] <DBO> WGGMk, okay, download the debs from archive.ubuntu.com i guess..
[10:38] <DBO> are you sure you spelled that right btw?
[10:39] <DBO> cache, not chace
[10:39] <rothchild> I'm trying to upgrade from gutsy but when I run update-manager --devel-release all that happens is that update manager is launched and it doesn't find the new distribution release when I check for updates, what is going on with that (my other box worked fine using this method)
[10:39] <WGGMk> DBO: i mispelled it in the message.. but not in the terminal sorry
[10:39] <DBO> ookie dokie
[10:42] <stefg> rothchild: did you or some 'third party helper' tinker with your sources.list? (automatix, envy)
[10:45] <rothchild> No,, I did a fresh reinstall from a gutsy disk not so long ago and I don't use automatix or envy (just had a quick double check and sources look box stock - hadn't even got round to putting medibuntu in there!)
[10:46] <stefg> rothchild: hmm... try a different mirror. maybe the problem is server side ?
[10:47] <rothchild> http://pastebin.ca/972293 sources.list
[10:49] <rothchild> you mean change 'gb' to 'us' or somesuch?
[10:49] <stefg> rothchild: i'd try replacing gb.archive.ubuntu.com with plain archive.ubuntu.com, then  run sudo apt-get update and try again if the update manager is finding it then
[10:50] <rothchild> ok, ta I'll give it a shot
[10:51] <rothchild> if it works after changes should I put it in launchpad?
[10:52] <stefg> rothchild: oh, and make sure your gutsy is fully updated before trying to upgrade to hardy
[10:52] <stefg> rothchild: no, this doesn't qualify as a bug, it may be just a server which is temporarily down
[10:53] <rothchild> stefg it is (if only because I just launched update manager three times trying to get it working;-)) re: reporting, it wasn't working the other night either
[10:54] <turbotruck> hey, pals. what do i need to regard the error http://rafb.net/p/LfsHmN23.html ?
[10:55] <turbotruck> i've been cracking my head for an hour already
[10:55] <Dr_willis> turbotruck,  i cant seem to find any info on it either.
[10:55] <Dr_willis> the only zlib i can find is in /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so
[10:57] <Dr_willis> ya could edit  /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[10:57] <Dr_willis>  /libc.conf  and add the path to    /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so  in there
[10:58] <Dr_willis> assuming thats the right lib
[11:00] <rothchild> hmm updated sources http://pastebin.ca/972297 and still no dice with update manager finding the upgrade
[11:00] <turbotruck> nah, i don't have this path /usr/lib/imlib2/loaders/zlib.so
[11:01] <Dr_willis> !find zlib.so
[11:01] <ubotu> No packages matching 'zlib.so' could be found
[11:01] <Dr_willis> it may been from the imlib2 library pacaktges
[11:02] <Finnish> How to setup Flash in Hardy?
[11:02] <stefg> rothchild: so what exactly is sudo update-manager -d returning?
[11:03] <turbotruck> fond \usr\lib\python2.5\lib-dynload\zlib.so
[11:03] <turbotruck> the only one really
[11:03] <Dr_willis> i have that one also.
[11:03] <Dr_willis> i tend to install EVERYTHING..... :) so i got lots of things
[11:04] <stefg> Ah, so you are the one which is hogging the servers, so others can't upgrade, Dr_willis :-)
[11:04] <turbotruck> so, you think this lib is good to path to?
[11:06] <Dr_willis> i dont know why there would be 2 of them on the system
[11:06] <rothchild> stefg the terminal returns 'Warning: could not initiate dbus' and then launches update manager, I can hit 'check' and it polls the sources but doesn't find anything to upgrade
[11:06] <Dr_willis> that one looks rather pyton specific
[11:07] <turbotruck> but i don't have any other
[11:07] <turbotruck> :)
[11:07] <stefg> rothchild: hmmm.... gutsy has som ipv6 issues... maybe it's related to that. try disabling ipv6
[11:08] <stefg> rothchild: so gutsy is fully updated? rebooted after gutsy update?
[11:08] <Dr_willis> that one from imlib,  is used for image files...
[11:09] <rothchild> I believe so, I do have privoxy installed is that likely to do anything?
[11:10] <stefg> rothchild: olh yes
[11:10] <stefg> !proxy
[11:10] <ubotu> Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR and web (Java, etc) gateways due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[11:10] <stefg> !apt-proxy
[11:10] <ubotu> apt-proxy is a program that acts as a local apt repository server for a LAN, only fetching from the internet when required. To set it up see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy
[11:10] <rothchild> aha nice one, thank you
[11:11] <stefg> rothchild: in fact these were not the factoids i was fishing for... you need to tell apt that there's a proxy, but it would be simplest to just disble it for the upgrade
[11:12] <turbotruck> Dr_willis, will i ask too much if i ask to compile this "project" by you and sent me back the result?
[11:13] <rothchild> stefg ok I'll try that, I need to swot up a bit more on what it's doing and how it's doing it anyway so this seems like a good chance to learn!
[11:13] <rothchild> stefg thanks for your help
[11:13] <no0tic> will firefox3 beta5 be in hardy?
[11:14] <visik7> no0tic: I don't think that a beta will remain un-upgraded
[11:15] <pen> no0tic: soon, I think
[11:16] <Dr_willis> turbotruck,  i cant seem to find the right lib either. ya can post the url and i can try i guess
[11:18] <turbotruck> http://rapidshare.de/files/39026511/InetAccess.tgz.html
[11:22] <turbotruck> and i've added
[11:22] <turbotruck> -ldl\
[11:22] <turbotruck> -lzlib
[11:22] <turbotruck> to LIBS
[11:22] <turbotruck> in a makefile
[11:22] <Impy> Hi does anyone else have trouble with firefox and flash? firefox closes when i try and view videos on youtube
[11:22] <turbotruck> not in a makefile but in objects.mk
[11:29] <Dr_willis>   http://pastebin.com/f95569f7
[11:30] <Dr_willis> its not wanting to compile here either
[11:30] <qiv> hi
[11:30] <qiv> anyone else experiencing problems with boost filesystem?
[11:31] <albert23> turbotruck: Are you trying to link something with the zlib library? If you do, install package zlib1g-dev and use -lz instead of -lzlib
[11:31] <Dr_willis> boost filesystem?
[11:31] <blinkiz> The package "linux-xen" does not work. Dependence missing. Is this a known problem?
[11:31] <qiv> $ lyx || terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::filesystem::basic_filesystem_error<boost::filesystem::basic_path<std::string, boost::filesystem::path_traits> >' ||   what():  boost::filesystem::exists || Aborted (core dumped)
[11:32] <qiv> thats what i get Dr_willis
[11:32] <qiv> never heard of boost whatever before ;)
[11:32] <turbotruck> albert23, ok, i'll try
[11:35] <qiv> Dr_willis: i found a hint ... it is a chmod problem, sudo lyx works ^^
[11:36] <Dr_willis> soubnds like some OOP type system call/routine
[11:44] <tomkirby> i'm having problems with Hardy - it gets really slow when there's lots of disk i/o going on... i've filed a bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/205945), but nobody wants to help me. can anyone here help?
[11:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 205945 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Heavy I/O causes other processes to starve" [Undecided,New]
[11:46] <gourdin> hi there
[11:47] <tomkirby> hi gourdin
[11:47] <gourdin> I got kde 4.0.3 on gusty here
[11:47] <gourdin> if I upgrade to hardy
[11:47] <gourdin> will my kde 4 install be ok ?
[11:50] <tomkirby> i'm really stuck with this problem - can anyone give me any pointers?
[11:50] <tomkirby> i think i've tried all the obvious stuff...
[11:51] <cvd-pr> Hey where is the xmms player? i dont see it in sinaptyc
[11:52] <Dr_willis> xmms is  long over due for death. :)
[11:52] <Dr_willis> you may want to try the beepmedia player
[11:52] <Dr_willis> xmms2 is lacking from what i tried of it.
[11:54] <DBO> why are the md5sums on the nvidia driver binaries different from the ones in the vanilla packages?
[11:55] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: maybe you can help me?
[11:57] <Dr_willis> tomkirby,  with what? :)
[11:57] <gourdin> what is the best way to upgrade gutsy to hardy ?
[11:57] <gourdin> apt-get distugrade ?
[11:57] <sourcode> sudo apt-get upgrade -d
[11:58] <sourcode> or clean install
[11:58] <gourdin> upgrade -d ?
[11:58] <gourdin> (is this dist-uprade ? :)
[11:58] <jcarey75> tomkirby, I have a similar issue, for example after my hardy install, I've been restoring my data files to /home and with heavy disk activity, system seems to slow, certainly firefox
[11:59] <cvd-pr> i just downloaded the daily beta
[11:59] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: thanks - i'm having problems with Hardy: it gets really slow when there's lots of disk i/o. i didn't have this problem with gutsy, and i was wondering where i could look for further information...
[11:59] <cvd-pr> i think its better to have a cd
[11:59] <cvd-pr> and a fresh isntall
[11:59] <gourdin> arf
[11:59] <sourcode> upgrade -d  != dist-upgrade
[11:59] <Dr_willis> tomkirby,  try testing out some of the older kernels, or some of the alternative kernels, check that dma is enabled on the hard drives
[12:00] <gourdin> sourcode: ok thx, Im reading the man :)
[12:00] <gourdin> "fresh install" that sucks
[12:00] <sourcode> fresh install is the best
[12:00] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: will certainly check re. dma - i'd forgotten what it was called :-$
[12:00] <gourdin> it shoudn't
[12:00] <tomkirby> not sure about using old kernels though - sounds complicated
[12:01] <Dr_willis> select the older kernel in the grub menu
[12:01] <gourdin> "format and reinstall"
[12:01] <gourdin> thans reminds me of something
[12:01] <gourdin> even on mac you don't have to "reinstall"
[12:02] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: thanks
[12:02] <pepie34> I still have a regression with the new kernel, madwifi-svn is not working since 2.6.24-14
[12:02] <pepie34> has anyone else got this problem ?
[12:02] <Dr_willis> ive had to reinstall on my Mac.
[12:03] <pepie34> or other wifi probleme sunce te update
[12:03] <savvas> pepie34: there's -15 now from what i see
[12:04] <pepie34> yes both -14 and -15 make madwifi-svn not working
[12:04] <pepie34> still working with -12 (so not a userland problem)
[12:06] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: i'm using a SATA hd - does this affect whether or not dma should work or be enabled?
[12:07] <Dr_willis> thers some bugs where the dma is not getting enabled on some machiens ive seen/heard
[12:08] <tomkirby> Dr_willis: hdparm is returning "HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[12:08] <tomkirby> any thoughts?
[12:08] <Dr_willis> hdparm is not for sda type disks
[12:08] <tomkirby> right
[12:08] <Dr_willis> thus theres some bugs in the libata stuff.
[12:08] <tomkirby> under gutsy, my hd used to be /dev/hda
[12:08] <tomkirby> now it's /dev/sda
[12:08] <tomkirby> same drive
[12:09] <stefg> !uuid | tomkirby
[12:09] <ubotu> tomkirby: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: « sudo blkid » (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[12:10] <stefg> !info sdparm
[12:10] <ubotu> sdparm (source: sdparm): Output and modify SCSI device parameters. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.02-1 (hardy), package size 113 kB, installed size 372 kB
[12:16] <tomkirby> stefg: thanks. how can i use sdparm to make disk access work properly (i.e. without hogging cpu)?
[12:18] <Shiiii> can someone point to a solution to i965 graphics in hardy ?
[12:18] <Shiiii> and to  a solution for sis m672 graphics in hardy
[12:21] <restless_user> hello i just updated hardy rebooted and now i get a "failed to initialize HAL" error on startup right now i am on a live cd since i have no net access in hardy