[01:41] <lithpr> every time i switch users, i get xscreensaver asking me for my password.  is there anyway to disable this behavior?
[03:53] <halaszvarig> hi all
[03:54] <halaszvarig> I just created a bluebird like chrome theme (only the frame color was changed to match the color from the theme): https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hedddjdackneeciinimepakidindpgdd
[04:05] <nsgn> hello. why on earth wont glslideshow read a jpg from a folder i point it to?
[04:06] <nsgn> the only jpgs i can get it to read on the whole system are the ones in the default background folder
[05:11] <lnxg33k> guys i have just installed xbuntu natty
[05:11] <lnxg33k> how to switch between keyboard layout ?
[05:23] <bazhang> lnxg33k, #ubuntu+1 for natty support
[05:23] <bazhang> ugh
[05:44] <Jason1> Hey there. Can someone give me some advice about a network connectivity issue?
[11:43] <Sysi> somebody using 10.04 with alex2000 xfce 4.8 ppa?
[11:43] <Sysi> actual question: does it work?
[12:08] <lithpr> Sysi, i'm using the koshi ppa for 4.8, and it's great
[12:08] <lithpr> (for 10.10)
[12:09] <Sysi> different ppa and different xubuntu
[12:09] <Sysi> i know from natty that 4.8 is nice
[12:10] <Sysi> i might as well *could* try since i moved mainly to kde
[12:11] <lithpr> i've tried Natty Alpha 2 for kde and Gnome, but both were very unstable on my box
[12:12] <lithpr> so i decided to side step it for xfce
[12:14] <Sysi> kde shouldn't be very bad, but xfce works maybe even better
[12:15] <Sysi> unity is stil in development afaik
[12:17] <lithpr> right, i had tons of crashing on kde 4.6 w/ natty, did better with ppa on maverick
[12:17] <lithpr> still too unstable though
[12:18] <lithpr> the biggest problem on kde 4.6 MM is that it all crashes on logout, other than that, it's good
[13:14] <jigynet> how do i configure / confirm proper installation of intel gma?
[13:15] <jigynet> is the gma fully utilized in ubuntu's?
[13:20] <Sysi> intel drivers should be there by default
[13:37] <jigynet> well it seemed to improve a little when i install the drivers..
[13:38] <jigynet> a settings ap isnt obvious, dont know any commands to configure things lik antianiliseing
[13:41] <jigynet> the i965 va drivers??
[13:43] <jigynet> plus there are many other settings that need adjusting memory footprint, shared memory settings..
[14:01] <andy_> Good day all. I'm trying to solve a problem I created: I'm running ubuntu 10.10 on a netbook (Asus eee 900A; 16GB SSD, 1.6 ghz atom). I switched to XFCE, then tried to eliminate the extra apps left over from gnome by deleting them via synaptic package manager. Not too bright: now I get a command line on startup and cannot start xubuntu desktop or get updates. Any suggestions?
[14:04] <lithpr> andy_ certainly the simplest and most robust way to recover from a situation like that is to reinstall
[14:04] <Sysi> plug it to wired internet and (re)install xubuntu-desktop
[14:05] <Sysi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:05] <andy_> lithpr and Sysi: thanks. Can't install either; neither sudo apt-get update nor sudo apt-get install xubuntu desktop work.
[14:06] <Sysi> what does it say?
[14:06] <andy_> I get a long list of unmet dependencies and "failed to fetch" messages.
[14:06] <andy_> I've tried to fix the sources list, to no avail.
[14:06] <Sysi> sounds like reinstall..
[14:07] <andy_> Can't boot from a flash drive either. You suggesting reinstall the OS?
[14:07] <Sysi> yes
[14:07] <andy_> Sysi - thanks. That's about what I figured. Now I need to figure out how to do that when I can't boot the thing from a USB drive. Any suggestions there?
[14:08] <lithpr> how did you get it on there in the first place?
[14:08] <brousch> boot from external USB CD-ROM
[14:08] <Sysi> you've created usb stick with unetbootin or usb-creator and press esc on boot?
[14:08] <andy_> lithpr: I used the flash drive. I've somehow borked its ability to do even that.
[14:09] <andy_> Sysi: yes
[14:09] <lithpr> that should be a bios issue- you couldn't have killed it from the OS
[14:09] <Sysi> what does it do?
[14:09] <andy_> Sysi: just boots into the command line despite the presence of the USB drive.
[14:10] <Sysi> do you get the boot device selection menu?
[14:11] <lithpr> andy_, have you gone into the bios and made sure that booting from usb has the highest priority?
[14:11] <andy_> Sysi: just tried again and this time it worked. I didn't get the boot device menu before but now I do. Weird stuff. Thanks again. I'll reinstall. thanks all!
[14:12] <Sysi> np
[14:37] <jigynet> aw
[14:37] <jigynet> why not sudo dpkg-configure?
[14:37] <jigynet> he may also have other usb's plugged in at boot?
[14:38] <Sysi> could have been worth a try, but reinstall takes half an hour and after that he has pure xfce system
[14:38] <Sysi> he also got usb-boot to work
[14:38] <jigynet> dpkg reconfig also needs to be run from the usb os xD
[14:38] <jigynet> xD
[14:38] <Sysi> why?
[14:39] <jigynet> otherwise it would only rebuild the root os
[14:39] <jigynet> xD
[14:39] <jigynet> not other installs
[14:39] <jigynet> lol
[14:39] <jigynet> lol is there a command for that hehe
[14:40] <jigynet> but i always use that if things get quirky or unfixable and i got terminal still.. much less time then download/reinstall
[14:41] <jigynet> and you keep everything xD
[14:41] <jigynet> maybe 30 min depending on connection and traffic
[14:41] <jigynet> selected packages xD
[14:42] <jigynet> just wish i could find a fan control for a samsung netbook..
[15:37] <Jason1> I configured opendns this morning and now my connection keeps dropping after 10 or 20 minutes of use. Any ideas on how to diagnose the issue?
[16:58] <jigynet> how do i share my wifi locally?..like coffe shop / home users
[16:59] <jigynet> plus my bro needs help secureing his pc =/
[16:59] <charlie-tca> you want to allow any user to use your wifi?
[17:00] <jigynet> if they are given a password..and a key preferably
[17:00] <charlie-tca> then you should just give them the password and key they can connect with
[17:00] <jigynet> i'd use bluetooth but his pc is older..
[17:01] <jigynet> that connects a pc directly  to the router..not my pc in a way he can use the internet via one of 2 ap's
[17:01] <jigynet> ad-hoc right?
[17:03] <jigynet> haveing random people use the router directly would be kinda bad =/
[17:03] <jigynet> brb
[18:19] <xubuntu012> hello.  I'm installing xubuntu.  However I've reached a snag.  it says "Downloading pakckages (5015:47 remaining)".  I do not have that long to wait.
[18:19] <charlie-tca> lose a connection?
[18:19] <xubuntu012> no
[18:19] <xubuntu012> same conection I'm using to talk to you.
[18:20] <xubuntu012> There is a hyper-link that directed me to this irc.
[18:20] <xubuntu012> on the installer
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Maybe the connection dropped and came back
[18:21] <charlie-tca> It should be a constantly updating time
[18:21] <xubuntu012> It jumped down to 15 mintues, but only for a few secounds
[18:21] <xubuntu012> Most of the time it's still.
[18:21] <xubuntu012> Is there a way to switch mirrors?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> not during trhe install
[18:26] <xubuntu012> alright
[18:26] <xubuntu012> thanks for your time
[18:48] <lithpr> backed up system... installing compiz... hope it all works out
[18:59] <jigynet> how do i share internet hime wifi?
[18:59] <jigynet> home xD
[19:20] <lithpr> yeay!  compiz + xfce runs flawlessly!
[19:22] <Guest34418> i am trying to get the tv out working on my
[19:23] <lithpr> unfortunately, the session manager doesn't know how to return windows to the correct virtual desktop
[20:14] <surreal7z> hi guys.. when I plug in my external HDD this is what happens... It's called "The Cube" and I have a folder \media which has "The Cube" folder, but owner is root... and when I want to access it... I don't have permissions and the "The Cube_" is created which is good...
[20:25] <surreal7z> I didn't do anything.. it was working till now... except I had to access it first from thunar before using it in rhytmbox and other applications'
[20:25] <surreal7z> The Cube_ has good permissions of a user
[20:25] <surreal7z> any way to fix that?
[20:25] <surreal7z> thx
[20:25] <Sysi> what filesystem
[20:26] <surreal7z> okey... i have fixed it... but still when I log in I need to access thunar first before I use it in other applications
[20:39] <surreal7z> ntfs
[20:39] <surreal7z> Sysi
[21:00] <hellhack> boas
[22:10] <dvanstone> text browsers recommendation anyone
[22:10] <dvanstone> ?
[22:10] <dvanstone> or a proper <channel> would be fine
[22:13] <Unit193> dvanstone: elinks isn't too bad...
[22:13] <dvanstone> is it rpm or deb based?
[22:14] <Sysi> w3m, links
[22:16] <SgrA> My friend used WUBI to install Xubuntu but after that was done and he rebooted, X server couldn't be started and some frequency error was reported.


[12:33] <Jeromee> hmm
[12:35] <ogra> Jeromee, ?
[12:35] <Jeromee> is checkinstall included in edubuntu?
[12:37] <ogra> its in universe afaik
[12:37] <Jeromee> k
[12:37] <Jeromee> from what I hear
[12:38] <Jeromee> its a rather sweet thing
[12:38] <Jeromee> heh
[12:38] <ogra> not really
[12:38] <ogra> it produces broken stuff...
[12:38] <Jeromee> no?
[12:38] <Jeromee> hm
[12:38] <Jeromee> bummer
[12:38] <ogra> it doesnt work out dependencys...
[12:39] <ogra> the only advantage is that you can easily uninstall the software through the package manager
[12:39] <Jeromee> gotcha
[12:40] <ogra> if you want to produce packages, have a look at the debian new maintainer guide...
[12:41] <smykes> no live cd huh?
[12:41] <ogra> nope
[12:41] <ogra> next release
[12:41] <ogra> we needed to get the stuff in shape first
[12:42] <smykes> next release meaning drak?
[12:42] <smykes> drake
[12:42] <ogra> yup
[12:42] <ogra> if i find a lot of sparetime (very unlikely) i'll remaster a ubuntu CD ...
[12:42] <smykes> is that when content filtering is going to make its appearance as well?
[12:43] <ogra> yes
[12:43] <ogra> content filtering with a nicely integrated gui is one of my main targets for dapper
[12:43] <smykes> its HUGE
[12:43] <smykes> all the pcs at my school have content filtering on them
[12:44] <smykes> so I dont let the kids on the ubuntu box
[12:44] <ogra> why dont you have a centralized solution ?
[12:44] <smykes> i think there is
[12:44] <smykes> but then there is content filtering on top of that
[12:44] <ogra> its a lot of wasted administration time to have one on every pc
[12:45] <smykes> Im not the administrator
[12:45] <smykes> Im the Music teacher :D
[12:45] <ogra> heh.. then current edubuntu will suck for you, sorry... we have no sound support in ltsp yet
[12:46] <smykes> yeah I installed ubuntu on my biggest fastest computer in my room
[12:46] <smykes> the rest were shitty boxes and wouldnt run it
[12:46] <smykes> its allright as the screen isnt virtually flat so I cant look at it for more then 10 minutes at a time
[12:47] <ogra> grmpf...
[12:47] <smykes> wb
[12:47] <ogra> wrong key
[12:47] <smykes> does it have gnome baker standard?
[12:48] <ogra> nope
[12:48] <ogra> we have serpentine for audio
[12:48] <ogra> and nautilus for data...
[12:48] <ogra> no need to duplicate the functions
[12:49] <smykes> and rhythm box for audio?
[12:49] <ogra> and gnomebaker in main would mean to rip out the nonfree codecs and functions, i think its better to keep a full equipped gnome baker in univese
[12:49] <ogra> *universe
[12:49] <ogra> yes, rhythmbox fr audio
[12:50] <smykes> be nice if someone just wrote a complete app\
[12:50] <smykes> itunes eske
[12:50] <smykes> that did everything out of the box
[12:50] <ogra> i heard amarok shall be wuite good..
[12:50] <ogra> quite
[12:50] <ogra> its a KDE app though...
[12:50] <smykes> does alexandria come standard or do you have to apt-get it?
[12:50] <crimsun> (I love how gnomebaker 0.5.5 was released two days after Breezy. Sigh.)
[12:51] <ogra> but since we have a mixed environment in edubuntu anyway, it wouldnt hurt
[12:51] <smykes> i had big issues with alexandria in hoary
[12:52] <ogra> smykes, we only targeted a single classroom with this release... bibshelf would be my suggestion for this usecase rather than alexandria
[12:52] <ogra> alexandria is rather for big setups...
[12:52] <smykes> yeah or small, depending on what your scope is
[12:53] <ogra> we'll consider it for dapper... depending on free diskspace on the CD
[12:53] <smykes> i doubt its very valuable to anyone else
[12:53] <ogra> currently you need to get it from universe
[12:53] <smykes> what I really need is something that will catalog my sheet music
[12:53] <ogra> its valuable for all librarys
[12:54] <smykes> i wish i had more time at work to tinker at school
[12:54] <ogra> it should be better in breezy... if it isnt, please report it to me and i'll trigger a backport from dapper
[12:55] <smykes> well im not very advanced so it just didnt work for me
[12:55] <ogra> yes, and my target is to make it "just work" ;)
[12:56] <smykes> heh so I might be your perfect target ;)
[12:56] <ogra> ... for people like you
[12:56] <smykes> as I am primarily an OS X user
[12:56] <ogra> great
[12:56] <smykes> but the school has no mac hardware
[12:56] <ogra> and linux has no qbase :)
[12:56] <smykes> qbase?
[12:57] <ogra> isnt that the state of art for musicians ?
[12:57] <smykes> I use logic
[12:57] <smykes> you are thinking of cubase
[12:57] <smykes> i got confused with the q
[12:58] <smykes> a good gui for lilypond would be nice heh
[12:58] <ogra> oh, yes... non musician here, just consumer :)
[12:58] <ogra> cu indeed
[12:58] <smykes> logic and protools are the defacto
[01:00] <smykes> lilyponds output is beautiful though
[01:07] <alison> hi, I'm trying to follow the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowtoNAT to enable internet access on my clients, and when I do sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, I get "permission denied."
[01:09] <ogra> heh, thats a wrong comand from someone used to use root :)
[01:10] <alison> so what should I do instead?
[01:13] <ogra> try: sudo sh -c 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
[01:14] <ogra> tell me if it works, i'll correct the wiki later...
[01:14] <alison> terminal gave no complaint
[01:14] <ogra> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[01:14] <ogra> should give 1
[01:15] <alison> yup
[01:15] <ogra> great :)
[01:19] <ogra> wiki fixed
[01:28] <alison> excellent.  You decide where you end up.
[07:59] <HiddenWolf> Jeromee, mindmapping is a way of storing information. Summarising in a graphical way, rather than written.
[07:59] <Jeromee> I know this, and this is why I'm back in school, getting my diploma, and going to college with a scholarship
[08:00] <HiddenWolf> Did you drop out?
[08:00] <Jeromee> yeah, I was supposed to graduate two years ago
[08:00] <HiddenWolf> I don't get the US system. Here you wouldn't be allowed to.
[08:00] <Jeromee> well
[08:00] <Jeromee> you're allowed to skip grades here...
[08:01] <Jeromee> I skipped 2nd
[08:01] <Jeromee> and 7th grade
[08:01] <Jeromee> heh
[08:01] <Jeromee> started early too
[08:01] <Jeromee> haha
[08:01] <HiddenWolf> Yeah, here too, but you're not allowed to leave school before you're 17, and you better damm well have a diploma.
[08:02] <Jeromee> lol.
[08:02] <Jeromee> I might be doing dual enrollment next year, I plan to get out of college asap.
[08:02] <Jeromee> next semister rather.
[08:02] <HiddenWolf> University is good. :D
[08:03] <Jeromee> I'll be going to community college
[08:03] <Jeromee> but our community college here, is on par with alot of Universities
[08:04] <Jeromee> where are you from?
[08:04] <Jeromee> UK?
[08:04] <HiddenWolf> Netherlands.
[08:04] <Jeromee> ah
[08:05] <Jeromee> gotcha
[08:05] <Jeromee> should have noticed... being in the NL ubuntu channel :-)
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle*
[08:05] <HiddenWolf> Go WHOIS. :)
[08:05] <Jeromee> yeah
[08:06] <Jeromee> I'm like
[08:06] <Jeromee> still half asleep though
[08:06] <Jeromee> girlfriend woke me up, went and got some cigarettes, just got back in
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> heh, yeah. I had 5 hours of sleep tonight, and it's 8.06am.
[08:06] <Jeromee> debating on when to go back to sleep
[08:06] <Jeromee> lol.
[08:06] <Jeromee> its 2:04 am
[08:06] <Jeromee> I feel asleep at 12:10
[08:06] <Jeromee> woke up at 1:20
[08:06] <Jeromee> =P
[08:06] <HiddenWolf> I slept at 2, was up at 7.
[08:07] <Jeromee> werd
[08:07] <Jeromee> you're only 6hrs ahead of me
[08:07] <Jeromee> w00t.
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> I've got 2 lectures today, and a meeting. Need to shop and cook too. :)
[08:07] <Jeromee> lol.
[08:07] <Jeromee> are you a teacher?
[08:07] <HiddenWolf> No, student.
[08:07] <Jeromee> gotcha
[08:07] <Jeromee> whats your major?
[08:07] <Jeromee> I assume you're in college
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> System is slightly different here, I'm in university.
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> International Business.
[08:08] <Jeromee> oh, fun fun
[08:08] <Jeromee> I'll be majoring in Computer Programming/Computer Network Management
[08:08] <HiddenWolf> One can actually pay for higher education here. :)
[08:09] <Jeromee> its insane here
[08:09] <Jeromee> honestly
[08:09] <Jeromee> if I don't have a scholarship
[08:09] <Jeromee> I won't be attending anything.
[08:10] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=691
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> I'm waiting for the supermarket to open.
[08:10] <Jeromee> awesome
[08:10] <HiddenWolf> I'm hungry, and out of bread. :)
[08:11] <Jeromee> lol
[08:25] <enyc> 0000
[08:25] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW
[08:25] <JaneW> morning jsgotangco
[08:26] <dabaR> Hi. Is there somewhere you can log in to the edubuntu wiki? I can not seem to find a place to log in.
[08:30] <dabaR> All the pages say locked page for me, even though I am logged into the ubuntu wiki, with the rosetta login, I think.
[08:31] <dabaR> Is that how it should be? locked?
[08:41] <Oly> just a quick quesstion of intrest, are we going to see a forum for discussing edubuntu ?
[08:41] <jsgotangco> we could probably ask the forums to add one
[08:42] <jsgotangco> given enough interest
[08:42] <Oly> yeah, seems like a good idea to me, especially as IRC does not work at school because the provider blocks the portds
[08:43] <Oly> while i am here may as well ask a quick question, installed edubuntu last friday before i finished work
[08:43] <Oly> got it to network boot a laptop, but it booted to a terminal
[08:44] <Oly> and said it needed an nfs server, do i need to install this seperate ?
[08:44] <Oly> i assumed it would just boot to a gui with out any other work
[08:44] <jsgotangco> JaneW, is it possible to add Edubuntu to the official forums?
[08:44] <Oly> not really had chance to look into it more, thought i would ask now while i can :p
[08:45] <juliux> Oly, it should boot a gui by default
[08:45] <jsgotangco> well by default it should boot gdm
[08:45] <Oly> i thought that might be the case
[08:45] <Oly> which means something went wrong somewhere
[08:46] <juliux> Oly, check if the gdm is running
[08:46] <Oly> will look into it when i get to work,
[08:46] <Oly> it did not look like it got that far
[08:46] <Oly> from what i remember
[08:47] <juliux> Oly, ps aux |grep gdm helps
[08:47] <Oly> i will try later, see if its there
[08:47] <juliux> Oly, if the gdm is not running you can start it with sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:48] <Oly> but i think a service is bumming out and stopping the boot
[08:48] <Oly> okay i will try starting it manually, and see if it is launched
[08:48] <Oly> also write down any of the errors
[08:49] <\sh> good morning
[08:51] <jsgotangco> moin \sh
[08:51] <juliux> moin \sh
[08:52] <\sh> ok...I don't know if you heard about it, ogra and I were testing amd64 ltps server + i386 client :) works now with a couple of lines of patches
[08:52] <jsgotangco> wow
[08:52] <jsgotangco> how about the ppc client?
[08:53] <\sh> jsgotangco: ppc iso were fcked up because of a kernel install thingy..
[08:54] <\sh> good morning JaneW :)
[08:54] <JaneW> \sh morning
[08:55] <\sh> JaneW: I think ogra will be back to normal this week...after this weekend ,-)
[08:58] <dabaR> so noone knows about my wiki issue where I can not log in to make changes?
[09:02] <JaneW> dabaR: does it not offer a place to log in?
[09:03] <dabaR> I can not see one, no.
[09:04] <JaneW> um... my logon is automatic... I will try to replicate...
[09:04] <JaneW> are you using the orange and red edubuntu wiki skin?
[09:05] <dabaR> afai can see
[09:06] <dabaR> that makes even my ubuntu wiki locked.
[09:06] <dabaR> wait, maybe not, let me check here...
[09:06] <DemisM> what is the difference between edubuntu and ubuntu?
[09:07] <JaneW> both use the launchpad login
[09:07] <JaneW> access through ww.edubuntu.org
[09:07] <dabaR> No, it does not, just the edubuntu wiki pages are locked.
[09:07] <dabaR> JaneW: you see a login screen or textboxes at edubuntu anywhere?
[09:08] <JaneW> and click on wiki linkg - you should get a login link in the top of the orange bar at the top
[09:08] <JaneW> try go to http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UserPreferences
[09:09] <dabaR> Hah, never saw it. thank you.
[09:18] <JaneW> dabaR: you sorted now?
[09:20] <Yagisan> G'day ogra - haven't seen you for a few days
[09:23] <ajmitch_> hi JaneW, Yagisan
[09:24] <JaneW> hi ajmitch_
[09:24] <JaneW> Yagisan: I don;t think ogra is up yet
[09:24] <ajmitch_> probably still sleeping off the effects of having \sh visit
[09:25] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch_
[09:25] <\sh> hehe
[09:25] <Yagisan> \sh what did you do to him ??
[09:26] <\sh> Yagisan: we had a nice weekend with a lot of drinks, extreme after release relaxing :)
[09:26] <\sh> when I counted right
[09:27] <Yagisan> cool - are you going to demo the multi-client-arch edubuntu at UBZ ?
[09:28] <\sh> 1 bottle glen grant, 1 bottle glen fiddich, half a box of beer (12 bottles) and a half bottle of rum...
[09:28] <\sh> Yagisan: I think we should show it to the world :)
[09:31] <Yagisan> \sh - yeah- we know what you drank :) but what about ogra :-P
[09:31] <\sh> Yagisan: i had the beer and the rum ;)
[09:31] <Yagisan> \sh - have you noticed that the clients don't have a volatile directory or non-free modules ?
[09:32] <\sh> Yagisan: no....we were happy that it was working like this...and now ogra can have a closer look what's there and what not
[09:34] <Yagisan> \sh: I noticed it a few days ago, none if my i386 clients got a nvidia.ko module
[09:34] <Yagisan> \sh: for systems that need firmware - it may be an issue
[09:34] <\sh> Yagisan: the only thing which is really annoying is the fade out effekt during logoff
[09:35] <\sh> effect even
[09:35] <Yagisan> \sh: that goes so sssssssslllllllllllooooooowwwwwwwwwww on my p2 clients
[09:35] <\sh> because it takes a hell of a lot of bandwidth
[09:35] <Yagisan> \sh: even on crossover it is dog slow
[09:36] <\sh> and it looks like an old dia-show of hires boob pictures on c64
[09:36] <Yagisan> \sh: you think we can get a c64 working as a client ?
[09:37] <Yagisan> \sh: would look cool :)
[09:37] <\sh> Yagisan: hmm...there is a tcp/ip stack for a c64 via userport
[09:38] <\sh> and if there is a running implementation of the X protocol for c64...
[09:39] <Yagisan> \sh: booting from tape may take a while ..
[09:39] <\sh> coffee....brb
[09:53] <Gand_> hi all
[09:55] <Gand_> my gnome icons on bottom bar are little messed up (bin is placed left to desktop) no problem with a new created user. How can i fix it? thank
[09:57] <Gand_> I've oslved dragging them, thank
[09:58] <Gand_> oslved/solved
[09:58] <Gand_> just wonder why after upgrade icons were messed up
[10:01] <Yagisan> Gand_: were you logged in twice ?
[10:01] <Yagisan> Gand_: sometimes that happens if you are logged in twice at the same time
[10:07] <Gand_> YYagisan you mean logged twice on my machine? no, I did never
[10:08] <Yagisan> Gand_: I had it happen to me when I logged in from a few terminals at once
[10:09] <Yagisan> Gand_: It cleared up for me when I logged them all out, then did a single log in
[10:11] <Gand_> I restarted computer, so all logged user were logged out, and I didn't log twice, anyway I solved, no prob, thanks
[10:11] <Gand_> As my school students are about 14/18 years old, where can I find previous edubuntu desktop (little bit less K12 style :)
[10:11] <Gand_> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=434&slide=4
[10:13] <Gand_> not yet available here: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Preview_Wallpaper_Examples
[10:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW, no habla espanol
[10:13] <jsgotangco> he
[10:14] <Yagisan> Gand_: I don't know -  try right clicking the desktop to change it
[10:14] <Yagisan> Gand_: The current one was what was voted for - that's why they shipped it
[10:15] <jsgotangco> i don't think we'll be able to put up wallpapers of boy bands and hip hop groups to cater that age group for legal reasons :)
[10:15] <jsgotangco> joke
[10:15] <jsgotangco> :)
[10:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no
[10:16] <JaneW> Gand_: I'll u/l it for you....
[10:17] <Gand_> thank
[10:18] <Gand_> just have it available
[10:18] <Gand_> as I find other one, but not the previus shipped
[10:19] <JaneW> Gand_: er I just need to find it again...
[10:19] <Gand_> :)
[10:19] <Gand_> lost in space :)
[10:20] <JaneW> Gand_: on ogra's page somewhere ;)
[10:21] <ajmitch_> jsgotangco: throw some this way :)
[10:21] <Gand_> I think it had to be added on "Preview wallpaper example" page on edubuntu site
[10:22] <JaneW> Gand_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/wallpaper/
[10:22] <JaneW> Gand_: I'll u/p it to  "Preview wallpaper example" now
[10:22] <Gand_> thank
[10:23] <JaneW> no problem
[10:23] <JaneW> :)
[10:32] <magnon> morning!
[10:32] <highvoltage> morning, got to run again, so bye!
[11:43] <enyc> meep
[11:43] <enyc> erm
[11:43] <magnon> meep.
[11:44] <enyc> amybody know why my edubuntu 5.10 i386 install asking me for ip address ??
[11:44] <enyc> its connected to dhcp network....
[11:45] <magnon> yes, you're installing the server, apparently
[11:45] <magnon> that means it will BE the dhcp server thus needs an IP
[11:45] <enyc> well yes
[11:45] <enyc> but i didnt ask for server
[11:46] <magnon> hm
[11:46] <magnon> I don't have a recent installation here, I don't know
[11:46] <magnon> edubuntu is server by default I think
[11:47] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:47] <magnon> just do the installation and then configure it for dhcp later if you can do that
[11:47] <jsgotangco> on boot type workstation so as not to install the server components
[11:48] <ogra> morning everybody
[11:48] <enyc> errrrm
[11:48] <jsgotangco> hi ogra
[11:49] <ogra> JaneW, i uploaded the wallpaper already to art.ubuntu.com... waiting for moderator approval...
[11:49] <ajmitch_> hi ogra
[11:49] <ajmitch_> how's the head? ;)
[11:49] <enyc> it says type 'server' for server install
[11:49] <magnon> morning ogra
[11:49] <magnon> enyc: umm, probably a bug. That's inherited from Ubuntu proper
[11:49] <JaneW> ogra: oic...
[11:49] <ogra> enyc, yes, there are som cosmetic bugs in the installer
[11:49] <JaneW> ogra: morning
[11:49] <ogra> :)
[11:50] <enyc> so i need to select 'workstation' at boot prompt ???
[11:50] <ogra> enyc, like http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes says ;)
[11:51] <jsgotangco> enyc, yes
[11:51] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:51] <ogra> if you want a ubuntu with an edubuntu-desktop only workstation is right
[11:53] <ogra> i think so... they are in the default install, arent they ?
[11:53] <enyc> kk
[11:53] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:53] <jsgotangco> i'll try it later i guess
[11:53] <enyc> loading...
[11:53] <jsgotangco> the oem will install server hehehe
[11:53] <jsgotangco> its pretty neat actually
[11:54] <ogra> lol
[11:54] <jsgotangco> the only instruction for oem avaialble was the one i wrote about and published in planet
[11:54] <ogra> i'll check it... i only know the hwdb client doesnt work...i didnt even know he used it until release day
[11:56] <magnon> thursday is my departure for eventually ending up in Montreal =)
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> hi all
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> anyone could help with xserver pb on thin client?
[11:58] <ogra> bluefrog-10, sure
[11:59] <bluefrog-10> got a fatal error unrecognized option vttty1. don't know where from this thing is coming
[12:00] <ogra> did you create a lts.conf ?
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> yes
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> copied it from k12ltsp which is working ok
[12:01] <ogra> did you look for the line it complains about in this file ?
[12:02] <bluefrog-10> trying to switch to low vesa server as my server card is intel 915 and got a nvidia on client. no vttty1 in my conf. getting from somewhere else but am not good enough with grep to find out where
[12:02] <ogra> this is no string our ltsp uses anywhere, it must be something you added... i.e. through lts.conf
[12:03] <ogra> you dont need to configure X that happens automatically, did you try without lts.conf already ?
[12:03] <bluefrog-10> haven't fiddle for sure with a vttty1 anywhere
[12:03] <ogra> we have native i915 support ....
[12:03] <bluefrog-10> without lts.conf was telling me lts.conf was mising
[12:04] <ogra> and you are sure you use edubuntu with edubuntu ltsp ??
[12:04] <ogra> it shouldnt bother with a missig lts.conf... our ltsp surely doesnt give such a message
[12:05] <bluefrog-10> not for certain. as i had pb with dhcp i fiddle a bit with packages. going to reinstall and have a look now that i know how to run dhcp.
[12:06] <bluefrog-10> when i install from scratch do i have to run ltspadmin afterwards?
[12:06] <ogra> did you follow the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes ?
[12:06] <ogra> you only have to replace the IP range in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match the IP you selected on install... restart the dhcp server and thats all... no further action needed
[12:07] <bluefrog-10> ok then a clean reinstall should do the trick ty. will come back if same problem
[12:07] <ogra> yup....
[12:08] <ogra> just follow the instructions from the wiki (and from the linked pages there)
[12:08] <ogra> gah, to slow
[12:16] <jsgotangco> brb
[01:34] <enyc> hmmmmmmm
[01:34] <enyc> im having dhcp trouble
[01:34] <bluefrog-10> dhcp won't start?
[01:34] <enyc> dhcp-client....
[01:35] <enyc> but nettwork works etc....
[01:35] <enyc> trying knoppix
[01:37] <bluefrog-10> hi all. made clean install. switch on client. getting at the ltsp display manager. trying to log on, keeps throwing me back at the display manager. haven't touched anything yet on the server. can anyone help pls
[01:38] <Yagisan> bluefrog-10: select gdm off the menu
[01:38] <bluefrog-10> selected GNOME
[01:39] <Yagisan> bluefrog-10: soory - I don't have a box handy - At least it starts with G :)
[01:39] <bluefrog-10> :)
[01:39] <bluefrog-10> done that but no luck. is there a log somewhere on the server?
[01:40] <Yagisan> bluefrog-10: sounds like you have the ssh key problem then
[01:41] <Yagisan> bluefrog-10: on the server run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys and see if that helps
[01:41] <ogra> bluefrog-10, did you see the known issues list on the wikipage ? ;)
[01:41] <ogra> the menus in the loginmanager dont work... dont waste time to select stuff :)
[01:42] <bluefrog-10> seen something like that yes. tried for the sake of it
[01:42] <ogra> :)
[01:42] <ogra> is sshd running on the server ?
[01:43] <Yagisan> ogra: the menus doesn't work - odd, sometimes picking gnome worked for me
[01:43] <ogra> Yagisan, we dont use gdm in ubuntu ltsp :) its called ldm...
[01:43] <bluefrog-10> apparently yes as i can ssh test@edubuntu
[01:43] <Yagisan> ogra: I'm tired and can't spell - I got the right first letter
[01:44] <ogra> bluefrog-10, and you log in with the same userdata via ldm ?
[01:45] <bluefrog-10> yes
[01:45] <ogra> hmm, k....
[01:45] <bluefrog-10> tried the  sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys. no change
[01:45] <bluefrog-10> have created a user test pwd test
[01:45] <bluefrog-10> trying as well with the install created user
[01:45] <ogra> you can set a rootpw for the client and look into the ldm.log there
[01:46] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
[01:46] <ogra> ^^^sets a root pw...
[01:46] <ogra> you can then log in on console on the client as root... look at the last lines of /var/log/ldm.log
[01:47] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd -l locks the password again afterwards
[01:48] <bluefrog-10> permission denied publickey,password
[01:48] <ogra> hmm...
[01:49] <bluefrog-10> trying private key /root/.ssh/id_rsa
[01:49] <ogra> does /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts exist and contain the right key ?
[01:49] <ogra> else delete it and run ltsp-update-sshkeys again
[01:51] <ogra> note that this command is run by the installer at the end of the install... if you run it afterwards, you may have the same key twice in there...
[01:51] <bluefrog-10> done rm and run again no luck
[01:52] <ogra> can you scp the log file to the server and post it to a pastebin service ?
[01:52] <bluefrog-10> setting up a password for root on server wouldn't help would it? (guess it's a stupid question)
[01:52] <ogra> nope, it wouldnt
[01:53] <bluefrog-10> wow wow scp pastebin, u talk chinese to me. give me a url where i can post the log
[01:53] <ogra> the only place where a root pw helps is in the chroot to read the logfile... but it should contain the explicit error
[01:53] <bluefrog-10> btw the client took an awful long time to boot, is that normal for now?
[01:55] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:55] <ogra> yes, we'll improve boot time for dapper and also add the bootsplash to the thin client boot
[01:56] <bluefrog-10> hang on am in with the install created user right now
[01:56] <ogra> there is also a next generation ldm already that didnt make the freeze date for breezy... it is themeable and looks not as ugly as the current one
[01:56] <ogra> wow, great news :)
[01:57] <bluefrog-10> as for the uesr i created am gonna try again but it seems to be an Xauthority lock pb
[01:57] <ogra> how did you create the user ?
[01:57] <bluefrog-10> sudo useradd
[01:58] <ogra> hmm... rather take the gui tool for that.... it has user profiles ...
[01:58] <bluefrog-10> stupid me it no home for test
[01:58] <ogra> heh :)
[01:59] <ogra> that explains the error in the log :)
[02:00] <bluefrog-10> yep sure helps to have a home. going alright. there was still this key pb solved by rm and recreating it
[02:01] <ogra> if you want to tweak it, you could now transfer the essential parts to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf from your former lts.conf...
[02:02] <ogra> it should have existed in the first place if you didnt run ltsp-udate-sshkeys manually
[02:02] <ogra> as i said above, that might add the same key twice...
[02:02] <bluefrog-10> am abit baffled though as ther's no lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc.
[02:02] <ogra> it will be read if you create one...
[02:03] <bluefrog-10> where does it take the conf from right now?
[02:03] <ogra> ubuntus autodetection mechanisms :)
[02:03] <bluefrog-10> k fair enough :)
[02:04] <ogra> the file is only necessary if you got values that arent detected or detected wrongly...
[02:04] <bluefrog-10> if i remember what i read no use trying to get the sound work on client correct?
[02:04] <ogra> yes...
[02:04] <bluefrog-10> ah..
[02:04] <ogra> next release... i plan to integrate something like a streaming server fo audio...
[02:05] <ogra> so we can forward the audion compressed through a ssh tunnel if the latency doesnt get to evil...
[02:05] <ogra> s/audion/audio
[02:06] <ogra> for local devices i plan to have a tunneled dbus/hotplug/hal combination so you can just plug in your camera or scanner on the thin client and it gets used as its now in ubuntu
[02:07] <enyc> so.....
[02:07] <bluefrog-10> k
[02:08] <enyc> when does ubuntu tree next 'sync with deb unstable then start ubuntu-paching again etc....?'
[02:08] <ogra> for this release the target was mainly to have a base to build on for the future
[02:08] <bluefrog-10> got u
[02:08] <ogra> the archive for dapper opens tomorrow... no idea if the automerges start immediately
[02:09] <enyc> i wonder how that workos, etc....
[02:09] <CuriousCat> so, edubuntu will still follow the six-month release plan, right?
[02:09] <magnon> yes
[02:09] <ogra> the time to get new features in will a bit shorter this release, since we'll have to do more stabilization work for a 3/5 year supported release
[02:09] <ogra> CuriousCat, yes
[02:10] <enyc> ;-)
[02:10] <ogra> that way we can benefit from the fast reease cycle ubuntu has an get newest stuff in very fast
[02:10] <enyc> get on with it then ;p
[02:11] <ogra> and i only have to care for the edubntu specifics, the rest is done reliably by the ubuntu team....
[02:11] <enyc> so....
[02:11] <CuriousCat> So, will it still be the same? I mean, whatever major changes they have in store for ubuntu dapper will also be seen on edubuntu? Just curious since I have plans to use edubuntu for my project next year. :)
[02:11] <enyc> ace you planning for a late 5.10-ppc edubuntu cd once stupid-problem in ltsp fixed ?
[02:12] <ogra> enyc, its quite easy... all packages that have ubuntu specific changes have a ubuntuX version number... the autosync tool (MOM or merge o matic) doesnt sync them ... but creates a bug with the differences of the packages...
[02:12] <enyc> hmm
[02:12] <ogra> so all packages with a ubuntuX version require manual merging... the rest gets in right away from debian
[02:13] <ogra> CuriousCat, yes, it will always have ubuntu as underlying architecture...
[02:13] <Yagisan> ogra: ppc broke ?
[02:13] <ogra> Yagisan, yes :(
[02:14] <Yagisan> ogra: I don't feel so bad about qemu being unable to process it now
[02:14] <ogra> enyc, nope we wont hae a fixed iso... but the release iso is on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ (with the bug in ltsp indeed)
[02:15] <Yagisan> ogra: I can wait for qemu to get better before implementing ppc client with i386/amd64 server
[02:15] <ogra> so if you dont want to use a ppc server, you can still do a workstation install from it...
[02:16] <Yagisan> ogra: what was the problem with ppc ltsp ?
[02:16] <ogra> there is no linux package in ppc
[02:17] <Yagisan> ogra: so it can't get a kernel ?
[02:17] <ogra> so theltsp client builder from the installer breaks on it ... as well as ltsp-build-client does...
[02:17] <ogra> yes
[02:17] <ogra> which breaks the install
[02:18] <Yagisan> ogra: I see, is it missing from the cd or the archive completely ?
[02:18] <ogra> ltsp-build-client needs an arch check and set the package name accordingly
[02:19] <ogra> there was no ppc CD released... we only have the last daily (which is identical with the release but wasnt blessed QA wise)
[02:19] <Yagisan> ogra: hmm - that would make it a bit more difficult re multi-client-arch
[02:19] <ogra> why ?
[02:20] <Yagisan> ogra: I would have to add extra ppc logic
[02:20] <ogra> if the base arch is ppc or the --ppc option for the client building is set, it uses the right linux package...
[02:20] <ogra> its not complicated...
[02:20] <Yagisan> ogra: what package does ppc use instead of linux
[02:21] <ogra> linux-powerpc :p
[02:21] <ogra> or linux-powerpc64
[02:21] <Yagisan> ogra: bug against linux-powerpc for failure to provide meta-package linux
[02:22] <ogra> its a question of setting one variable based on autodetection...
[02:22] <ogra> i'm not sure if its a bug or a feature... that'll need discussion with the kernel team :)
[02:23] <Yagisan> ogra: or bug against linux-i386 for providing meta-package linux - the achive isn't consistant
[02:23] <ogra> yes...
[02:23] <Yagisan> ogra: Did you notice that the kernel volotile mount is created on the clients ?
[02:24] <Yagisan> isn't
[02:24] <ogra> nope...
[02:24] <Yagisan> ogra: I noticed that on a p2 - it displayed an error while booting
[02:25] <ogra> we'll fix that..
[02:26] <ogra> we'll have some BOFs about ltsp, multiarch support local devices etc at UBZ
[02:26] <ogra> its mdz's babay, so all stuff will need his approval
[02:26] <Yagisan> ogra: well, no one needs anything that needs it yet (until someone gets a new nvidia or ati card anyway)
[02:27] <ogra> i have a nvidia card and tested also the binary driver.... worked fine... but i'm not sure if that was before or after the tmpfs for the volatile stuff was added
[02:30] <Yagisan> ogra: any idea why they did tmpfs for volatile ?
[02:30] <ogra> nope
[02:31] <Yagisan> ogra: The old system was working well, but now, I can't see on my filesystem the stuff that is in volatile
[02:32] <Yagisan> ogra: and it's not good on low memory systems
[02:32] <ogra> ask the kernel team ... #ubuntu-kernel :)
[02:33] <ogra> hehe http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientWithoutPxe
[02:37] <highvoltage> ogra: hi
[02:38] <ogra> hey
[02:38] <highvoltage> ogra: what would happen if you installed ldm on a normal ubuntu system?
[02:38] <highvoltage> could you connect to the server through that?
[02:38] <ogra> you cant
[02:38] <highvoltage> ah
[02:38] <ogra> there is no separarte package
[02:38] <Yagisan> ogra: you noticed that now ???
[02:39] <highvoltage> ogra: if there were a seperate package, would it work? or if you install ltsp-thin-client and fix things up, would it work?
[02:39] <ogra> Yagisan, the wikipage ? yes :)
[02:39] <Yagisan> ogra: I need to clean it up and add more instructions later for hard disk boot, but I'm to busy now
[02:40] <Yagisan> ogra: You wouldn't believe how many people I've tried to help while you were hungover er resting
[02:41] <ogra> highvoltage, yes, it *could* work, no promises though... we also planned to put it in a separate package
[02:41] <ogra> Yagisan, thats great news... we need more community...
[02:52] <magnon> ogra: know where claire davis works, and if she's on irc at the moment under some strange name?
[02:54] <JaneW> magnon: her nick is cvd
[02:54] <JaneW> magnon: and she is in London
[02:55] <magnon> ah, thanks
[02:55] <JaneW> she should be on-line now, I have been chatting to her throughout the day
[02:56] <magnon> ok
[03:03] <highvoltage> hi JaneW
[03:28] <mhz> hi you all
[03:29] <magnon> hey
[03:29] <mhz> hi magnon
[03:44] <mhz> JaneW: could we talk about the CD stuff?
[04:36] <enyc> meep
[04:36] <enyc> got udubuntu 'workstation' going...
[04:40] <enyc> errr edeubuntu
[04:41] <enyc> id really like to have a specified user login automatically....
[04:41] <enyc> password can be used when sudoing...
[04:42] <enyc> i.e. for a standalone non-multiuser-setup
[04:42] <enyc> which is what i want *at the moment*
[04:43] <ogra> you can set this up in the loginmanager settings for gdm...
[04:47] <Yagisan> enyc: that's not such a good idea from a security point of view ... but it's your call
[04:53] <enyc> yes i know this
[04:53] <enyc> i am well aware of the consequences etc...
[04:54] <enyc> laooe,rpe
[04:54] <enyc> oops
[04:57] <enyc> im in "login screen setup"
[04:57] <enyc> aha
[05:03] <enyc> hrrrrm
[05:04] <enyc> autologin didnt work
[05:04] <enyc> laoo,rpe
[05:04] <enyc> argh wrong keyswitch setting
[05:28] <juliux> ogra, ping
[05:28] <ogra> juliux, pong
[05:29] <juliux> ogra, do you know where i can manipulate the log out prozess from gnome?
[05:29] <ogra> manipulat ? in which way ?
[05:30] <enyc> hrmmmm
[05:30] <enyc> questidon ;-)
[05:30] <juliux> ogra, ich want that if a user log out that the home dir of the user is backspace to a default content
[05:31] <juliux> s/ich/i
[05:31] <enyc> if i plug edubunte/ubuntu box into a duifferent  DDC (plug/pray) monitor......
[05:31] <enyc> and boot it....
[05:31] <enyc> will the x-server detect the new freq. range settings ??
[05:32] <ogra> enyc, you'll probably have to run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[05:32] <enyc> hmmmmmmm
[05:32] <ogra> to generate a new xorg.conf
[05:32] <enyc> i see i see
[05:32] <ogra> depending o the monitor
[05:32] <enyc> thats what i suspected
[05:32] <ogra> *on
[05:33] <enyc> ill get out a worse monitor then do that ;p
[05:33] <Yagisan> enyc: the clients should auto detect
[05:33] <juliux> ogra, it is clear what i mean?
[05:33] <enyc> or set ranges manually
[05:33] <ogra> juliux, yes....
[05:33] <enyc> this is standalone/workstation for now
[05:33] <ogra> enyc, ... the above only applies for non ltsp indeed... ltsp clients autodetect the settings
[05:35] <enyc> kk
[05:35] <enyc> kk
[05:35] <enyc> kk
[05:35] <enyc> ;-)
[05:35] <ogra> juliux, the only thing that comes to mind would involve ugly ldm hacks...
[05:36] <juliux> ogra, i think that there was a simple shell skript that runs if you log out
[05:36] <juliux> ogra, but i did not know where i should start my search
[05:37] <ogra> for gdm, yes... but ldm doesnt have such a function yet
[05:37] <juliux> ogra, ldm?
[05:37] <ogra> ltsp display manager ...
[05:37] <juliux> ogra, ok
[05:37] <ogra> the login manager
[05:38] <juliux> ogra, but isn't there a log file which logs which user logs in and out?
[05:38] <ogra> what we do is to run /etc/X11/Xsession through a ssh tunnel... you could also hack on this file or the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[05:39] <juliux> hm
[05:39] <ogra> /var/log/auth.log ?
[05:39] <juliux> i will look there if i find time
[05:43] <juliux> ogra, but a daemon that look the hole time on the log file is not very nice
[05:43] <ogra> thats what i meant with weird ldm hack :)
[05:44] <juliux> ogra, hm
[05:44] <ogra> look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
[05:44] <ogra> find the ssh_remote_command array
[05:44] <juliux> ok
[05:44] <juliux> at first i will boot the server
[05:45] <ogra> add your script before 'kill -1 $PPID']
[05:45] <juliux> ogra, thanks
[05:45] <ogra> now it will get executed before the session is killed
[05:45] <juliux> ok
[05:45] <ogra> but its very ugly and will get overwritten on upgrade
[05:45] <juliux> i know
[05:46] <ogra> (not that i'd expect upgrades to ltsp ruing breezy)
[05:46] <juliux> but no risk no fun
[05:46] <ogra> juliux, there is also a beatified version of the login manager with theme support... http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/
[05:48] <Yagisan> ogra: There have been sec updates already - I've updated my ltsp chroots - libssl anyone ?
[05:55] <pere> Suvarov[work] : hi. :)
[05:55] <Suvarov[work] > pere: hello!
[05:56] <pere> Suvarov[work] : good evening. :)
[11:08] <bluefrog-10> hi all. where can i find the conf used by ltsp in edubuntu pls?
[11:27] <ogra> bluefrog-10, there is none, its autodetected...
[11:28] <bluefrog-10> oh sad
[11:29] <ogra> bluefrog-10, if you want a specific conf, create /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf on the server, there is a example in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/
[11:29] <ogra> most of the values from the original ltsp (found on wiki.ltsp.org) will work
[11:30] <ogra> bluefrog-10, whats not working right for you ?
[11:30] <bluefrog-10> it's just that i installed ltsp on ubuserver as i'd like ti install it at my kid's school but i like the way edubuntu detected the thin client hardawre
[11:30] <bluefrog-10> i guess it's coming from the kernel
[11:30] <ogra> oh, you installed the legacy ltsp ?
[11:31] <bluefrog-10> yes, no offence to your work but having no sound yet prevents me from installing edubuntu right now
[11:31] <ogra> yes, i understand that very well... i'm also quite sad that we dont have sound yet
[11:32] <bluefrog-10> and i'd like to get away from redhat k12
[11:32] <ogra> but for sound the ugly ways k12 or legacy ltsp use might work in edubuntu too
[11:32] <ogra> i didnt have the time to test such stuff sadly
[11:33] <bluefrog-10> so so far ubuserver with ltsp works quite well excepts for the hardware detection. throws me to low vesa while edubuntu finds the correct graphic card apparently
[11:33] <ogra> but dvelopment for the next release just starts ... in april we'll hopefully have a rocking audio and local device support
[11:33] <bluefrog-10> yes u told me that yesterday
[11:33] <ogra> thats an xorg/kernel/hotplug thing...
[11:34] <ogra> we use kernel 2.6, legacy ltsp uses 2.4 ...
[11:34] <ogra> i think k12 also still uses xfree86 ...
[11:34] <bluefrog-10> well it was just for the sake of research as they will have crappy graphic card at the scholl anyway
[11:35] <bluefrog-10> am using 269 with ubuserver but u use 2612 in edubuntu
[11:35] <bluefrog-10> i mean in /tftpboot
[11:35] <ogra> yes...
[11:36] <ogra> but you most likely dont ues initramfs and the latest xorg that has many improvements...
[11:36] <bluefrog-10> i tried to copy the all stuff but then i have a mount /dev/.static/dev problem
[11:36] <ogra> especially for autodetection
[11:42] <bluefrog-10> sry am not linux guru (far far far from it). last question. if i compile new ltsp kernel to have 2612 instead of 269 in tftpboot would the autodetection improved or has it nothing to do with it?
[11:44] <mhz> ogra: hi. Just wanted to tell you that your ltsp-update-sshkeys worked fine.
[11:44] <mhz> Clients do login based on .xsession now
[11:44] <ogra> cool
[11:45] <ogra> bluefrog-10, thats rather a thing that has to do with initramfs
[11:46] <bluefrog-10> ok then that's chinese to me i'll stick with what i have and will do an upgrade to dapper next year. ty for your time
[11:46] <ogra> you wont win anything with a higher kernel version... there is a lot integration wok gone into initramfs/udev/hotplug/kernel combnation
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> k the server working ok for me. next big step is ldap. no pb in FC4 but i struglled and quit several times in ubuntu.
[11:48] <bluefrog-10> at least with hoary, haven' tried yet in breezy
[11:49] <ogra> thats on my list for dapper too... but there was a thread in the ubuntu-devel mailinglist yesterday i think where many people showed off their favorite ldap tools
[11:49] <bluefrog-10> :)
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> ain't got noone. so i wont bother u with that. doing it by hand following idealx.org tuto
[11:55] <viator> hello do i need two nick cards for edubuntu to work as a terminal server?
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> not necessarily
[11:56] <bluefrog-10> u can set it up with one
[11:56] <viator> i have two but id be robbing from peter to pay paul ie then one of the other pc's would be missing one
[11:56] <bluefrog-10> one is fine
[11:56] <ogra> in fact its way easier with only one card
[11:57] <mhz> ogra: have you had come to a decision about CD printing_
[11:57] <mhz> ?
[11:58] <viator> i have a couple of REALLY old pc's  whats the minimum specs for them as clients
[11:58] <ogra> mhz, nope... we'll have our regular meeting on wednesday, lets tlak about it there :)
[11:58] <mhz> ok
[11:58] <viator> i mean "usable"
[11:59] <ogra> viator, i'd think 64MB 133Mhz pentium should work fine
[11:59] <viator> really  great
[11:59] <viator> the only think that stinks about them is ill have to use floppy
[12:00] <viator> cause theres no option in bios
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> or a cd if it boots on cd
[12:00] <viator> one is eltorito the other isnt
[12:00] <ajmitch_> the main issues with old PCs as clients is usually the video card
[12:00] <viator> so yeah i can do cd
[12:01] <viator> on one
[12:03] <viator> yeah ones an old ibm 166 which is currently running damn small linux the other is a toshiba laptop which is also 166
[12:03] <viator> i hate to throw them out if they could be used in anyway so ill try this i guess


[07:33] <dholbach> good morning
[08:01] <dholbach> davidcalle, once you're caught up, you can maybe help me a bit with lp:~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/index_page - it's a WIP branch that should go into lp:~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/snappy-docs-import - unfortunately I end up with articles which have the wrong parents (call to create_page wrong?) but once that's done we can get it into a final review and then fully merged :)
[08:02] <dholbach> davidcalle, I changed a few things, for example not recreating articles every time and being able specify an index_doc (like intro.md in the docs directory of lp:snapcraft)
[08:02] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've been following your branches last week, haven't tried any of it yet, but it looks great :)
[08:04] <davidcalle> dholbach, btw, do you know why no deploy in the last two weeks, staging seems fine. Issues with the mojo spec?
[08:09] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think the webops team had lots of other stuff to get done as well :/
[08:53] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm trying to wrap my head about how the logic has changed: when I try the branch in its current state, I end up with a standalone snappy page (the default index one), outside of the existing snappy tree, with no chidren
[09:05] <dholbach> davidcalle, yeah, that's the problem I'm still trying to fix
[09:05] <dholbach> apart from that it all works
[09:07] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm, where do imported docs end up?
[09:07] <dholbach> in /tmp
[09:07] <dholbach> you can uncomment the removedirs line to keep them around
[09:07] <davidcalle> dholbach, sorry, not end up , but "get published" :)
[09:12] <dholbach> let me check - I tried the lp:snapcraft last - let me check lp:snappy too
[09:24] <dholbach> davidcalle, good question :-/
[09:25] <dholbach> I think there's a problem with the index_doc logic
[09:27] <dholbach> ok, I think I found the issue
[09:27] <dholbach> let me confirm
[09:31] <dholbach> ok, I pushed a change now which should help in the lp:snappy case (no index_doc)
[09:31] <dholbach> it's still not quite right
[09:34] <dholbach> davidcalle, if I print out the variables of the create_page call, I get a different cms.models.pagemodel.Page reference for the parent node every time - this seems wrong
[09:36] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm. /me looks
[09:44] <dholbach> davidcalle, it's bizarre: in the page tree it looks like snappy/guides/devel went into the top level, but its url is still /snappy/guides/devel/
[09:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, yeah, urls are independent of the actual cms tree
[09:50] <dholbach> oh ok
[09:51] <dholbach> how can I get them to show up in the cms tree nicely?
[09:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, attach the right parent page to it (when creating the page, with the parent argument)
[09:52] <dholbach> right, I think that's what I did
[09:53] <davidcalle> dholbach, looks like it, yeah :/
[09:54] <dholbach> davidcalle, debug output is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12046988/
[09:54] <dholbach>         print(title, "default.html", "en", slug, parent, parent.get_absolute_url(),
[09:54] <dholbach>               menu_title, in_navigation, "last-child", redirect)
[09:55] <davidcalle> dholbach, I need to be afk for a moment. Will try to find a solution after that.
[09:55] <dholbach> sure, no worries
[09:56] <dholbach> I'll move over to the office and have a look at it as well
[09:56] <dholbach> thanks for helping out!
[11:26]  * davidcalle back
[12:15] <dholbach> davidcalle, ok, so all the articles get added in the top level
[12:16] <dholbach> davidcalle, later on they get removed by remove_old_pages
[12:16] <dholbach> maybe something with our use of page_resolver.get_page_queryset_from_path is wrong
[12:20] <davidcalle> dholbach, yeah, I'm at the same step of debugging
[12:21] <dholbach> davidcalle, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12047609/
[12:23] <davidcalle> dholbach, ty. Unrelated, but I need to add an "if placeholder.get_plugins()" at line 239 to get the branch to run
[12:23] <dholbach> oh
[12:23] <dholbach> let me check
[12:23] <davidcalle> dholbach, or it errors on placeholder.get_plugins()[0] (index out of range)
[12:24] <dholbach> sure
[12:24] <dholbach> maybe a preexisting page with no placeholders
[12:24] <dholbach> safe to check in any case
[12:26] <dholbach> davidcalle, maybe we can't rely on page_resolver.get_page_queryset_from_path
[12:26] <davidcalle> dholbach, well
[12:26] <dholbach> DJANGO_SETTINGS_MODULE=developer_portal.settings ./env/bin/python -c 'from cms.utils import page_resolver; print(page_resolver.get_page_queryset_from_path("snappy/guides").__dict__); print(page_resolver.get_page_queryset_from_path("snappy/guides").__dict__)'
[12:26] <dholbach> {'_known_related_objects': {}, '_sticky_filter': False, '_db': None, '_for_write': False, '_prefetch_done': False, '_result_cache': None, 'query': <django.db.models.sql.query.Query object at 0x7f470d9dc450>, 'model': <class 'cms.models.pagemodel.Page'>, '_prefetch_related_lookups': []}
[12:26] <dholbach> {'_known_related_objects': {}, '_sticky_filter': False, '_db': None, '_for_write': False, '_prefetch_done': False, '_result_cache': None, 'query': <django.db.models.sql.query.Query object at 0x7f470d9dc410>, 'model': <class 'cms.models.pagemodel.Page'>, '_prefetch_related_lookups': []}
[12:26] <dholbach> two subsequent calls to the same thing give me two different objects
[12:26] <dholbach> maybe that's already saying something(?)
[12:26] <dholbach> or I'm using it wrong :)
[12:27] <dholbach> ah no, sorry - that's the query object
[12:28] <dholbach> the id I get for both page objects is the same
[12:28] <dholbach> so ignore me
[12:29] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've frequently seen pages having two instances, one for live, one for draft, that could be related to what's going wrong
[12:29] <dholbach> hum hum
[12:30] <dholbach> maybe it's make sense to try to find out the parent once per branch and pass that as an object
[12:30] <dholbach> it'd be bizarre if that made it work, but it'd be worth a try and it'd be less hits on the db :)
[12:30] <dholbach> I'll try it out
[12:33] <davidcalle> dholbach, where is the index page getting its parent?
[12:35] <dholbach> davidcalle, that might be the problem
[12:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, hum... it should use the same get_or_create call like the other pages
[12:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, a ton of cached changes suddenly just appeared in my pages tree ;'(
[12:56] <didrocks> zsombi: hey, it seems that QML tries to be too smart for my use case. If I add a list of string as a property in a model object (like model.append({"foo": ["bar", "baz"]})), when I retrieved it, "foo" is a ListModel
[12:57] <didrocks> zsombi: this is a little bit annoying especially when you want to save it like in u1db as the object doesn't cast to anything (and become null)
[12:57] <dholbach> davidcalle, maybe we're missing some .save() and .publish() calls somewhere?
[12:57] <didrocks> zsombi: so, I don't know, seems like I'll have to handle all those transitions and keep 2 properties in my objects to handle the casting manually, doesn't sounds like optimal…
[12:57] <zsombi> didrocks: it's not my fault ;)
[12:59] <dholbach> davidcalle, I found another small issue :)
[12:59] <didrocks> zsombi: ahah, for sure! Just wanted to know if you encountered that and have some tips for me
[12:59] <dholbach> thanks for your persistence :)
[12:59] <davidcalle> dholbach, and in my cached tree there IS a version of my tests that put everything in the right place!
[13:00] <davidcalle> dholbach, no idea when or what though
[13:00] <dholbach> davidcalle, I used a backup of the database for every run of the script
[13:00] <zsombi> didrocks: I think it's obvious, as long as your model is also a ListModel, dynamic list roles would be considered to be ListModels
[13:01] <davidcalle> dholbach, that's smart /me takes notes
[13:01] <dholbach> davidcalle, that's at least what I'm going to do until I have the feeling everything works just fine :)
[13:01] <davidcalle> dholbach, what's your other small issue?
[13:02] <didrocks> zsombi: sure, but then, that would mean that you would expect u1db to be able to store those models by ductyping?
[13:02] <dholbach> davidcalle, when instantiating MarkdownFile, I should take index_doc already into account, so full_url is correctly set
[13:02] <dholbach> that might simplify the code in other places too
[13:02] <dholbach> looking at it right now
[13:02] <davidcalle> ok
[13:03] <zsombi> didrocks: not sure what it does if you declare the role statically in ListModel...
[13:03] <zsombi> didrocks: like ListModel { foo: ["bar", "baz"]}
[13:04] <didrocks> zsombi: well, the list is dynamic though
[13:04] <didrocks> as read from u1db
[13:04] <zsombi> didrocks: just to know what ListModel will think of that role
[13:05] <zsombi> didrocks: I guess it'll be an array then
[13:07] <didrocks> zsombi: instead of ListModel, you meant having a static ListElement in that ListModel to declare the role, right?
[13:07] <zsombi> didrocks: yeah :)
[13:07] <karni> zsombi: thank you :) (the list item swipe thing, IRC message from couple days back probably)
[13:07] <zsombi> karni: :) it shoudl be in trunk now
[13:07] <karni> \o/
[13:07] <zsombi> perhaps not...
[13:08] <karni> :D
[13:08] <zsombi> I guess it slipped the last release
[13:08] <didrocks> zsombi: "ListElement: cannot use script for property value"
[13:08] <zsombi> next one
[13:08] <karni> that's okay :)
[13:08] <didrocks> it doesn't like it :p
[13:08] <zsombi> didrocks: so no wonder it creates ListModel out of it :)
[13:08] <zsombi> dynamically I mean
[13:09] <didrocks> zsombi: yep… :/
[13:12] <dholbach> davidcalle, pushed a change
[13:14] <davidcalle> dholbach, UnboundLocalError: local variable 'plugin' referenced before assignment
[13:15] <davidcalle> plugin.save() is only for plugin update. Creation of a new one doesn't need it iirc
[13:15] <dholbach> davidcalle, ah... it should be: add a plugin = add_plugin()
[13:16] <dholbach> ok
[13:16] <davidcalle> so your add_plugin is fine
[13:16] <dholbach> yes, you're right
[13:16] <dholbach> I checked the code
[13:20]  * didrocks adds ugly workarounds :/
[13:42]  * ogra_ wonders why kalikiana wants me to put frozen joghurt into my pita
[13:43] <kalikiana> lol
[13:43] <ogra_> :)
[13:43] <ogra_> though given the weather thats probably actually not a bad idea :)
[13:46] <t1mp> I have no idea what you are talking about, but the more I think of it the worse it gets...
[13:48] <ogra_> t1mp, see G+ ;)
[13:48] <svij> for the lazy people: https://plus.google.com/109371351926239865612/posts/deARcXU7K2R
[13:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've fixed the old pages removal issue, but I think we should move away from queryset_from_path
[13:49] <dholbach> davidcalle, is there anything else you'd suggest?
[13:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, maybe something using select_related('page__id').filter(path__regex=regex)
[13:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, well, not that exactly, but filters and path regex
[13:53] <dholbach> ok
[13:53]  * davidcalle tries
[13:54] <dholbach> I'm looking into some unrelated changes right now
[13:54] <davidcalle> ok
[13:54] <t1mp> svij: ahh, thanks :)
[14:03] <davidcalle> dholbach, http://i.imgur.com/Fq1Tm8d.png \o/
[14:05] <dholbach> the magic davidcalle is back!
[14:05] <davidcalle> huhu
[14:05] <dholbach> :-D
[14:05] <dholbach> in a call with dpm right now
[14:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, np
[14:05] <dholbach> I'll take a look at it in a bit :)
[14:05]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[15:04] <davidcalle> dholbach, here is a diff of my current state (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~davidc3/+junk/duc-snappy-doc-100815/revision/155)
[15:05] <dholbach> davidcalle, ah yes, the admin change reminds me... there's a few small changes I pushed to different MPs
[15:07] <dholbach> davidcalle, great work
[15:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've seen them, do you have any merges you would like a review on?
[15:17] <dholbach> nevermind...... I guess I thought I should split them up logically, but with so many parts moving around, I guess I can just merge two of them already :)
[15:24] <davidcalle> ok :)
[15:32] <JoeyChan> hello  mzanetti   need your help over here  ~
[15:35] <popey> JoeyChan: i think he's on vacation, maybe someone else can help?
[15:36] <JoeyChan> oh no ...  can someone help with the cmake ? I still can't figure it out   popey
[15:37] <popey> ah, sorry. Not sure who else is a cmake expert round here
[15:37] <popey> maybe zbenjamin ?
[15:38] <zbenjamin> i'm no expert but it might help to kno the problem
[15:38] <JoeyChan> better than nothing   :P
[15:38] <zbenjamin> pfft
[15:39] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:   multi-arch support using cmake
[15:39] <JoeyChan> the reminders-app is using
[15:39] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: multi arch as in fat packaging?
[15:40] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:   yes,   armhf, i386, amd64 in one click pak
[15:40] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: ok, so what is your plan.
[15:40] <dholbach> davidcalle, the case of lp:snapcraft is fixed now too :)
[15:40] <dholbach> woohoo
[15:40] <dholbach> thanks again davidcalle!
[15:41] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/index_page/+merge/267533 :)
[15:41] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: the problem is, how our builders work to build a cmake project cmake is running inside the chroot. It is simply not possible to have one cmake file to rule them all. Except you write a cmake project that works "outside" the chroots
[15:41] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:   current Shorts-app is pure qml,   & we plan to reboot it as a c++ project,  lp:~mrqtros/ubuntu-rssreader-app/reboot-add-cmake-two-fixes
[15:42] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: well one solution would be to use qmake ;)
[15:42] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: the ubuntu sdk supports fat packaging for qmake using the IDE
[15:43] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: however if you want a automated solution this is what the sdk does:
[15:43] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:   there's a bash script which can build fat click pack:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/11930209/
[15:44] <JoeyChan> but failed with current cmake
[15:44] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: yeah thats what the SDK does as well with qmake
[15:44] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:  the reboot version works will with the SDK, but failed with this script
[15:45] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: whats the error
[15:46] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin: I didn't test this cos I have only armhf chroot,   popey said he built an big AMD64 pack
[15:46] <zbenjamin> popey: ^ whats the error?
[15:46] <popey> uh
[15:46] <popey> JoeyChan: got the branch link handy?
[15:47] <popey> zbenjamin: I think it just didn't put the binary bits in arch specific folders
[15:47] <JoeyChan> popey:  lp:~mrqtros/ubuntu-rssreader-app/reboot-add-cmake-two-fixes
[15:47] <zbenjamin> popey: ah, yeah thats a project issue then
[15:47] <popey> so you get an executable in the root of the build dir, which is no good
[15:47] <zbenjamin> no, thats a zonk :D
[15:47] <popey> which would need to go in lib/armfoothing/
[15:47] <zbenjamin> popey: well the builddir is not the problem, the installdir is
[15:47] <popey> thats it
[15:48] <popey> thats all I know :)
[15:48] <zbenjamin> popey: why do you make me read cmake files? :D
[15:49] <popey> \o/
[15:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, +1 :) Now there are a few tweaks needed, eg. the info box on non-current pages has disappeared
[15:49] <dholbach> oh
[15:49] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: ok popey is right, you put the binary into the root folder
[15:49] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:  seems I just need to know how to make the click generate a script to execute multi-arch~
[15:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'll open a pad to list final tweaks? (in any case, we are in a releasable state now)
[15:50] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: no your project setup it wrong
[15:50] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:  yes I can put them in dif-folder
[15:50] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: there are std folders for that
[15:50] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: let me see
[15:50] <mcphail> JoeyChan: binaries under lib/whatever_arch/bin
[15:51] <JoeyChan> zbenjamin:  could u show an example cmake file ?
[15:52] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: you have the ubuntu sdk handy right now?
[15:52] <dholbach> thanks a bunch davidcalle
[15:52] <popey> JoeyChan: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~notes-app-dev/reminders-app/trunk/view/head:/CMakeLists.txt
[15:52]  * nemo halfheartedly pokes mcphail again
[15:52] <popey>     set(BIN_DIR /lib/${ARCH_TRIPLET}/bin)
[15:53] <popey> (and the bit above that which defines ARCH_TRIPLET)
[15:53] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: check line http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12048876/ 17
[15:53] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: line 17
[15:53] <zbenjamin> ah popey has an example too
[15:53] <mcphail> nemo: Hi!
[15:54] <mcphail> nemo: you still keen to work on HW for touch?
[15:54] <nemo> mcphail: well. keen to see if you can get past your link errors ☺
[15:55] <mcphail> nemo: ha! Haven't looked at it as have been on holiday, then swamped with work, but back to normal now so can have a look this evening
[15:55] <nemo> if I recall, koda's speculation was needing to change lib names in SDLh.pas
[15:55] <mcphail> nemo: you around a bit later?
[15:55] <nemo> koda is, unfortunately, on vacation
[15:56] <nemo> mcphail: well, on and off. evenings often dominated by kids
[15:56] <nemo> but, hey, can play IRC tag
[15:56] <mcphail> nemo: OK, I'll poke around and see if I can get any further
[15:57] <JoeyChan> popey:  I remember that u said there's a script to execute the right "arch" file
[15:57] <popey> JoeyChan: yeah, see the lines in the linked cmakelists.txt
[15:57] <popey> 33-41
[15:58] <davidcalle>  np, let's sync tomorrow on all the bright ideas we'll have tonight ;)
[16:00] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: popey: you need no script to execute the right file on the device. PATH is always set to the right directory
[16:00] <JoeyChan> popey:  no...  I mean,  the desktop file can only point to one executable file, but there r at least 3 files ...
[16:00] <popey> ah, i dont know how that works
[16:00] <popey> ah, as zbenjamin says, PATH fixes that :)
[16:01] <JoeyChan> popey:   so,  I don't need to set anything to the desktop file ?
[16:01] <mcphail> JoeyChan: you .desktop file should point to "nameofbinarywithoutanypath" and it will all work magically
[16:01] <JoeyChan> mcphail:  lol
[16:02] <popey> \o/
[16:02] <popey> I like magic.
[16:02] <zbenjamin> JoeyChan: popey: so all binary parts of the application go into that directory:   lib/<arch_triplet>   executables go into the bin subdir, qml plugins into the "qml" subdir and normal libraries just into the lib dir itself
[16:02] <JoeyChan> mcphail:  I like your answer   :D
[16:02] <mcphail> ha!
[16:03]  * mcphail wonders whether we can get rid of architecture-dependent binaries altogether by employing qemu-static, but that is another matter
[16:03] <zbenjamin> mcphail: that sounds like slooooooooooooooow apps
[16:04] <mcphail> zbenjamin: maybe. Might bring amd64 down to arm speeds :)
[16:04] <JoeyChan> haha~
[16:05] <mcphail> JoeyChan: you haven't experienced magic until you have used qemu-static
[16:06] <JoeyChan> mcphail:  haha   :P
[16:11] <aaler> hi
[16:11] <aaler> how do i compile to executable the app i made in sdk?
[16:12] <aaler> i am new here
[16:27] <zbenjamin> mcphail: its not only about executing armhf apps on x86, how about 3d acceleration , afaik qemu does not support that
[16:34] <mcphail> zbenjamin: yes - might be a problem. I can't quite work out at what level "user" mode qemu interfaces with the graphics drivers
[16:34] <mcphail> I think it is different from standard "system" mode, isn't it?
[16:36] <mcphail> (these things make my brain hurt)
[16:38] <mcphail> In "user" mode, the kernel/modules are running natively rather than being emulated, at the expense of a few broken syscalls
[16:52] <ogra_> mcphail, every time an armhf binary is found, the kernel uses the binfmt module and wraps it in the syscall translator (qemu-arm-static) ...
[16:52] <ogra_> there is no way to fake armhf hardware in that setup (you would need a container to do that and actually translation layers for the GL calles and all)
[16:52] <mcphail> ogra_: where does that leave graphics acceleration? :)
[16:53] <ogra_> nowhere :)
[16:53] <mcphail> aah. Curses!
[16:53]  * ogra_ wrote the initial imple,mentation of qemu-user-static ...
[16:53]  * mcphail is in awe
[16:54] <ogra_> only for building and test execution though
[16:54] <ogra_> well, that wasnt such a big task, i just combined work of others ;)
[16:54] <mcphail> ogra_: it is very useful for building
[16:55] <ogra_> in any case, if HW comes into play you have lost ... that already starts at a garmbage collector using /proc
[16:55] <ogra_> *garbage
[16:56] <ogra_> i think mono is still not installable in an armhf chroot today
[16:56] <ogra_> due to its GC needs
[16:57] <mcphail> ogra_: so you'd need a full system emulation environment for that?
[16:57] <ogra_> yes, and then you will have problems finding actually one that has 3d drivers :)
[16:58] <mcphail> ogra_: I had hoped qemu-arm-static had solved all my cross-compiling worries :(
[16:58] <ogra_> the android emu is special in that regard, it is a full system emu and has a translation layer for the graphics to actually hand the calls through to the host in an understandable fashion
[16:58] <ogra_> qemu-arm-static is fine for compiling :)
[16:59] <ogra_> just not for running if you actually require HW support
[16:59] <mcphail> ogra_: brilliant. Cheers :)
[17:02] <mcphail> ogra_: were ther ever any plans to use qemu-arm-static for SDK builds rather than the current click chroot setup?
[17:03] <ogra_> mcphail, i think the click chroot execution actually uses it as backend
[17:04] <ogra_> (bzoltan_ should be able to confirm or deny ;) )
[17:04] <mcphail> ogra_: not sure about that - you still need cross-compilers in the SDK click chroots
[17:04]  * bzoltan_ reads backlog
[17:04] <mcphail> ogra_: (which is why I found qemu-arm-static in the first place)
[17:05] <ogra_> mcphail, right, it is a mix ... you use a qemu-arm-static chroot and inject the compiler from the outside
[17:05] <ogra_> that way you compile at host speed using the cross compiler
[17:05] <mcphail> ogra_: aah - I didn't think there was any emulation going on in the click chroots
[17:05] <ogra_> (i know this was the initil design that was discussed, no idea thats still the case)
[17:05] <ogra_> *initial
[17:07] <mcphail> ogra_: reason I ran into problems is because there doesn;t seem to be a pascal cross-compiler: https://adoptingubuntu.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/creating-an-emulated-armhf-chroot-for-development/
[17:07] <ogra_> yes, i think fpc was never fixed on armhf
[17:07] <ogra_> thats one of the few packages we miss for that arch
[17:08] <ogra_> is pascal still a thing ?
[17:08] <mcphail> ogra_: there is a fpc build on armhf, just not a cross-compiler
[17:08]  * ogra_ would have put that in the same corner as cobol :)
[17:09] <mcphail> ogra_: nemo is keen to port hedgewars, which is pascal
[17:09] <ogra_> i.e. dead and gone but you get immensely right if you still know it :)
[17:09] <ogra_> *rich
[17:11] <bzoltan_> ogra_: the armhf click chroot is an x86 chroot with :armhf dev packages and cross compiler
[17:12] <ogra_> bzoltan_, ah, so no qemu involved at all ?
[17:12] <ogra_> mcphail, why do you need to recompile btw ... cant you just use the binaries from eth archive ?
[17:12] <ogra_> *the
[17:12] <mcphail> ogra_: no - that uses SDL1.2
[17:13] <ogra_> (with some LD_PRELOAD and LD_LIBRARY_PATH hackery)
[17:13] <ogra_> ah, crap
[17:13] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  the click is not depending on qemu-user-static
[17:13] <mcphail> ogra_: the code _can_ use SDL2, but the deb build is on 1.2
[17:13] <ogra_> bzoltan_, yeah, got it
[17:14] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  scratchbox is doing that :)
[17:15] <ogra_> well, scratchbox was using qemu-system last time i looked (4-5 years ago though) and injecting commands via serial into the qemu VM
[17:15]  * ogra_ inspected scratchbox when he did the first qemu-arm thingie
[17:17]  * mcphail would be keen to know what setup the Ubuntu PPA build machine use to build armhf, so he can copy it
[17:17] <bzoltan_> mcphail:  I am cross packaging with cowbuilder
[17:18] <mcphail> bzoltan_: ooh - that looks good
[17:18] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  I am not sure if I remember right (4-6y) but as I remember SB used both system and user mode ... system for emulating and user for simple commands like building
[17:20] <bzoltan_> mcphail: for me the pbuilder based builders were the most reliable and least troublesome tools with building the SDK stuff... it has silly issues too.. but simple interface and pretty good with building-packaging.
[17:21] <mcphail> bzoltan_: cheers. That is really helpful
[17:22] <ogra_> bzoltan_, well, when i researched it user didnt exist ;)
[17:23] <bzoltan_> mcphail:  I use `cowbuilder-dist wily armhf create` and then just send it the .dsc files. All logs and results go under the ~/pbuilder And you can tune it to the skies. But it was made for .deb packaging in mind .. so when it comes to clikc app packaging the click chroot are the way to go...
[17:23] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  not impossible that i am mixing the SB2 with it... what was a different beast.
[17:23] <ogra_> yeah
[17:24] <ogra_> SB definitely couldnt use it because i wrote the first prototype of it after i looked at it ;)
[17:24] <ogra_> that was later properly implemented by lool in debian then (and renamed to qemu-user-static)
[17:25] <ogra_> i think SB2 then adopted lool's work
[18:18] <ahayzen> popey, as per https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot-remove-cpp-flag/+merge/267437 this site https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/community/core-apps/weather/ should not read "QML and C++" anymore just QML :-)
[18:22] <cwayne-afk> hi, is there a way to get the index of the listmodel when calling a leadingaction from that listitem?
[18:23] <ahayzen> cwayne-afk, should just be "index" ?
[18:23] <cwayne-afk> ahayzen: i thought so, but that seemed to get me the index of the action itself
[18:24] <ahayzen> hah
[18:24] <cwayne-afk> maybe i was doing something wrong :)
[18:24] <cwayne-afk> oh wow, i havent been afk for awhile, should prolly change that nick now
[18:24]  * ahayzen looks at the music-app's code to port to the new listitems
[18:25] <ahayzen> cwayne, we use index here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/music-app/refactor-use-sdk-listitems/view/head:/app/components/Queue.qml#L65
[18:26] <ahayzen> cwayne, oh are you putting it in the actions part of the delegate part of the ListItemActions ?
[18:27] <ahayzen> *or the
[18:27] <cwayne> ahayzen: ah, i think I know what I was doing wrong.. (basically the index of the item in my sqlite db doesnt necessarily match the index of the listmodel once one is removed)
[18:28] <cwayne> ahayzen: so i should be able to get any of the info from the listmodel from there though right
[18:28] <ahayzen> from where?
[18:28] <cwayne> the listitem action
[18:29] <ahayzen> as long as you haven't removed itself... and you should be able to get the relevant info
[18:29] <ahayzen> unless you've called the index field in the sqlite 'index' wonder if that would override the actual index property
[18:29] <cwayne> no i think i called it 'id' there
[18:32] <cwayne> will need to take a look.. thanks for the link to the relevant music-app code ahayzen, i think that'll help me quite a bit
[18:32] <ahayzen> no problem :-)
[18:53] <popey> ahayzen: yay
[18:54] <popey> ahayzen: fixed! thanks
[20:12] <mcphail> nemo: ping
[20:34] <mcphail> nemo: if you get a chance, can you have a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/12051196/ and tell me what I need to change in SDLh.pas (or give me a patched file)? Cheers
[20:34] <nemo> 'k
[20:34] <nemo> heading home tho
[20:34] <nemo> so afk for a little while
[20:35] <mcphail> nemo: np
[20:36]  * mcphail never learned pascal
[21:50] <antony_> Anyone Wanna test a gameboy/gameboy color emulator?
[21:55] <mcphail> antony_: is it in the store?
[21:56] <antony_> Yep its called ubuntu boy. ill swich it to free for a minute so you can download it.
[21:57] <mcphail> antony_: \o/
[21:57]  * mcphail wonders where he left his roms...
[21:58] <antony_> Let me know when your ready
[21:58] <mcphail> antony_: fire away
[21:58] <antony_> Ok set it to free
[21:59] <mcphail> antony_: ok, d/ling
[22:00] <mcphail> antony_: let me dig out a rom and I'll test
[22:03]  * mcphail loves z80 machines
[22:09] <mcphail> antony_: the play area is quite squashed up and the controls are very small. Can I adjust that?
[22:09] <mcphail> antony_: it is slightly better in landscape than portrait but still fairly unplayable
[22:10] <antony_> Ill make the controls bigger.
[22:10] <mcphail> antony_: the aspect ratio of the playscreen is off. I'll grab some screenshots
[22:15] <mcphail> antony_: http://themcphails.uk/tet1.png http://themcphails.uk/tet2.png
[22:15] <mcphail> antony_: good work, though.  Only one I can find on this machine
[22:17] <mcphail> antony_: it is one I used on an old hacked zxspectrum gb emulator
[22:17] <antony_> Thanks for the complement
[22:17] <mcphail> antony_: is it all done in Qt?
[22:17] <antony_> html5
[22:18] <mcphail> cool
[22:18] <mcphail> antony_: seems to play at normal speed and music works well.
[22:20] <antony_> Meizu or Bq?
[22:20] <mcphail> antony_: bq - krillin (the 4.5)
[22:50] <mcphail> can someone remind me how I kill all my unneeded click chroots?
[22:52] <mcphail> for some reason they seem to be multiplying at an alarming rate
[23:26] <antony_> The emulator should be much better now
[23:27] <antony_> Fixed the aspect ratio and made the controls bigger.
[23:32] <mcphail> antony_: looks very much better. However, I don't think the direction pad is working and there is an irritating bug where a double-tap on a button zooms the screen. Don't know if that can be fixed?
[23:35] <antony_> Would imagine disabling zoom with javascript would fix that
[23:35] <antony_> Ill try it
[23:35] <antony_> gtg
[23:35] <mcphail> antony_: great :). Might be worth forcing portrait orientation as well as the landscape mode doesn;t look so good


[06:43] <Len-nb> zequence, and anyone else, put some email on the list about sample rates.
[12:28] <ttoine> hello
[13:31] <zequence> Len-nb: I don't have a specific opinion about 44.1/48kHz. I tend to use 48kHz by default, but that's just me
[13:31] <zequence> ttoine: What's up?
[13:33] <zequence> Len-nb: Did you follow the thread on jack devel list about graphic drivers, packaging, etc
[14:19] <len-1304> zequence, nope, I can only follow so many things :)
[14:22] <zequence> len-1304: Well, las brought up bad Ubuntu packaging. I answered, and it led to me posting the diff between quantal and it's Debian source
[14:23] <zequence> Hopefully people will start to blame Ubuntu for everything
[14:23] <zequence> stop*
[14:23] <zequence> :P
[14:23] <len-1304> Ya.
[14:24] <scott-work> good morning
[14:24] <astraljava> It's only natural. You know how the best bands in the world are always those nobody has ever heard of.
[14:25] <zequence> scott-work: good morning Texas (is that where you live?)
[14:25] <zequence> astraljava: I'm guessing that was meant for another channel? :)
[14:26] <astraljava> zequence: Nope. In reference to the ubuntu-hatin'.
[14:27] <len-1304> band should be brand?
[14:27] <astraljava> It was a metaphor. I think.
[14:27] <zequence> But aren't we the best, and the most famous?!!
[14:28] <zequence> ..and let's not forget, the best looking
[14:34] <scott-work> zequence: aye, i live in texas
[15:01] <astraljava> zequence: The train of thought being it's fashionable to badmouth the famous.
[15:09] <zequence> astraljava: right


[00:01] <nhandler> So is anyone close to Case Western Reserve and interested in meeting up sometime April 21-22 ?
[00:06] <paultag> one goddamn day late nhandler
[00:07] <nhandler> paultag: We probably are flying in the night before, not sure when you are leaving
[00:08] <paultag> 20th, 7-ish
[00:08] <nhandler> Doesn't look like it will work out (unless we bump into each other at the airport)
[00:08] <paultag> aye :)
[04:08] <dmcglone> Hi all. Anyone know if ndiswrapper supports monitor drivers?
[04:08] <Unit193> dmcglone! javenm
[04:09] <Unit193> that was supposed to be "haven't seen you in a while!"
[04:09] <Cheri703> yo dmcglone
[04:10] <Cheri703> I have no clue
[04:10] <dmcglone> "haven't seen you in a while" LOL
[04:11] <dmcglone> I've been so darn buisy lately. I just got done working on a clients computer thats running ubuntu and they got a new monitor and none of the high res are working
[04:12] <dmcglone> highest it will go is 800zx600
[04:12] <dmcglone> it's a 20" acer flat screen
[04:13] <Cheri703> which version of ubuntu?
[04:13] <dmcglone> 9.10
[04:13] <Cheri703> that may be why
[04:13] <Cheri703> I put 10.10 on client's computer and it was very happy with the 21" screen
[04:14] <dmcglone> Acer?
[04:14] <Cheri703> uhm, asus
[04:14] <Cheri703> 9.10 may just not support bigger screens?
[04:15] <dmcglone> Not sure. but upgrading to 10.10 is worth a shot
[04:15] <Cheri703> at least try it with a livecd
[04:15] <dmcglone> yeah
[04:15] <dmcglone> I didn't think about that
[04:15] <dmcglone> smart advice :-)
[04:16] <Cheri703> hopefully it works!
[04:16] <dmcglone> yes. I want these people to like Linux
[04:17] <dmcglone> My sister loves it
[04:17] <Cheri703> :)
[04:17] <dmcglone> she e-mailed me today telling me that she created a Diploma on her Ubuntu. (she home schools her kids)
[04:18] <Cheri703> nice!
[04:18] <Cheri703> oooo, dmcglone I meant to tell you
[04:18] <Cheri703> I have a domain for my business now :)
[04:18] <Cheri703> www.techheroohio.com
[04:19] <dmcglone> She's pretty happy about it
[04:19] <dmcglone> Cool
[04:19] <Cheri703> and there's another computer repair business moving into the area :(
[04:19] <dmcglone> commercial or individual?
[04:19] <Cheri703> commercial
[04:20] <dmcglone> they don't stand a chance if you keep your prices lower :-)
[04:20] <Cheri703> they had a job listing up, but it's super part time, need a car, but decent pay. I dunno, I'd consider it if I had a car and could still do my own thing on my off hours, but I don't think anything like that would happen :)
[04:20] <dmcglone> they got much more overhead
[04:20] <Cheri703> also, I'm not intimidating for women clients
[04:21] <Unit193> Cheri703: What is it?
[04:21] <Cheri703> can't remember, there's a job posted on craigslist
[04:22] <dmcglone> well if you advertise for yourself, you can get clients that they couldn't because you can keep your prices down
[04:22] <Cheri703> yeah
[04:22] <Cheri703> I'm going to go get some flyers and more business cards printed his week
[04:22] <dmcglone> I compete with geek squad here :-/
[04:22] <Cheri703> :(
[04:22] <Cheri703> I have to get an actual website figured out, right now it's just my flyer as a placeholder
[04:23] <dmcglone> I think geek squad is a joke
[04:23] <Cheri703> oh yeah
[04:23] <Cheri703> I have some fun links about it
[04:23] <dmcglone> well you let me know when your ready if you want
[04:23]  * Cheri703 is super poor
[04:24] <dmcglone> thats ok, we can work something out for you if you like
[04:24] <Cheri703> I'd definitely be up for having a website set up!
[04:25] <Unit193> How else is geek squad going to get your porn...
[04:26] <dmcglone> Then you let me know when and show me a draft of what type of layout you would like and we'll take it from there
[04:26] <Cheri703> ok, I'll think about it and mock up something
[04:27] <dmcglone> Ok, show me as much as you can that you would like on the site
[04:27] <Cheri703> ok, I'll work on it. I appreciate it!
[04:28] <dmcglone> No problem.
[04:29] <dmcglone> also let me know what you would like to have in a web package, databases? how much MB etc. etc
[04:29] <dmcglone> ftp access
[04:29] <Cheri703> hmm...not sure. I have it with my existing hosting account at this point
[04:30] <dmcglone> stuff of that nature and I'll try and cherry pick everything you want for a lower monthly cost
[04:30] <Cheri703> ok, cool
[04:31] <dmcglone> I'm sorry, I forgot you already have hosting, so don't think I'm trying to pressure you.
[04:31] <Cheri703> nah, it's ok
[04:31] <Cheri703> if you can be cheaper, I'd go for it!
[04:31] <Cheri703> :D
[04:31] <dmcglone> You decide. in the meantime, we will work on your site
[04:32] <dmcglone> how much is your hosting pacakge and what is included?
[04:32] <Cheri703> kk, thanks :) I'll start planning
[04:32] <Cheri703> it's the standard (lower) yearly package from byethost
[04:32] <dmcglone> let me take a look
[04:34] <dmcglone> you only get 250GB/Mo? that sux
[04:35] <Cheri703> well, up til now, I had NO TRAFFIC to the previous site, so...wasn't exactly a big deal, didn't have much on it
[04:35] <Cheri703> so...
[04:36] <dmcglone> true
[04:36] <dmcglone> there's no ftp with them
[04:37] <dmcglone> tomorrow I'll get you something together :-)
[04:37] <Cheri703> :)
[04:37] <Cheri703> brb, going to reboot
[04:37] <dmcglone> ok
[04:38] <dmcglone> what ya been up to Unit193?
[04:40] <Unit193> dmcglone: Just put a DVD drive and +1G ram this oldish Xubunt box....
[04:40] <Unit193> Will be testing out Xubuntu with Active Directory at "work"
[04:41] <dmcglone> sounds like you got your hands full
[04:42] <Unit193> Na, just doing random crap...
[04:42] <Unit193> You?
[04:42] <Unit193> (I also don't do much *ubuntu stuff, except IRC help)
[04:43] <dmcglone> I don't do much myself because I'm usually buisy
[04:44] <dmcglone> sometimes I feel guilty that I can't do much
[04:44]  * Cheri703 missed what you're talking about
[04:45] <dmcglone> talking to Unit193 about what he's been up to
[04:45] <canthus13> dmcglone: ...aren't you up way past your bedtime? :)
[04:45] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[04:45] <dmcglone> LOL Canthus, I'm about to be turning in.
[04:46] <dmcglone> I was working on a Ubuntu machine a little bit ago. having problems getting it to recognize the monitor properly
[04:46]  * Unit193 is useless to the Ubuntu Community...
[04:46] <Unit193> :)
[04:47] <dmcglone> My only contribution so far is advocating the use of it
[04:47] <Unit193> dmcglone: Don't you have LP Karma?
[04:47] <dmcglone> but in my eyes, anything's better than Microsoft
[04:48] <dmcglone> I'm not following
[04:48] <dmcglone> LP?
[04:48] <Unit193> Launchpad
[04:48] <Cheri703> did you try the live cd dmcglone?
[04:48] <Cheri703> even try 10.04
[04:49] <dmcglone> LOL I think they would be pretty mad if I showed up at their door at 12am
[04:49] <dmcglone> LOL
[04:49] <Cheri703> ah, didn't know if you had it at your house :)
[04:49] <dmcglone> but earlier I was working through RDP
[04:49] <Cheri703> gotcha
[04:50] <canthus13> Unit193: Cheer up. you're not useless.  You make a perfectly adequate doorstop. :)
[04:50] <dmcglone> canthus13: I thought that would be me
[04:50] <canthus13> dmcglone: Nah.  LOL
[04:54]  * canthus13 prefers freeNX.
[04:55]  * dmcglone prefers whatever works
[04:55] <Unit193> Anyone have ideas for how to integrate Ubuntu into Active Directory environment?
[04:55] <canthus13> Magic.
[04:55] <dmcglone> force
[04:55] <Unit193> canthus13: FreeNX doesn't play the best with Xubuntu :(
[04:55] <canthus13> Actually, though, I think Samba has provisions for that.
[04:55] <canthus13> that sucks.
[04:56] <Cheri703> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=815458
[04:56] <dmcglone> whats the difference between xubuntu, ubuntu and edubuntu? I assumed they were all the same, just different pre-installed apps
[04:57] <canthus13> dmcglone: xubuntu uses XFCE instead of GNOME.
[04:57] <Unit193> canthus13: Was thinking apt-cache show centrifydc
[04:57] <canthus13> edubuntu is GNOME with a bunch of educational packages.
[04:58] <canthus13> Unit193: Dunno.. I've never had to worry about ubuntu and active directory.
[04:59] <dmcglone> I see canthus13
[05:00] <dmcglone> Well it's my bed time. 6am comes quick... LOL
[05:00] <Unit193> canthus13: It's at a location full of that type of thing and I'm testing an Ubuntu way of doing it (would be best to have a GUI)
[05:00] <dmcglone> I'll talk to you guys later
[05:00]  * Unit193 waves at 6am as it passes by
[05:00] <dmcglone> lucky you
[05:01]  * dmcglone has 3 kids
[05:01] <Unit193> Have a good one and come back soon dmcglone
[05:01] <Cheri703> night
[05:01] <dmcglone> when things settle down around here I'll be back more often
[05:01] <dmcglone> anyway, night all
[05:02]  * Unit193 has too many FF and irssi tabs open...
[05:25] <Unit193> popman: I'm also from Ohio if you hadn't guessed ;)
[05:25] <popman> nice :D
[05:26] <popman> that's is pretty cool :D
[05:26] <Unit193> In the LoCo there are also ReLoCos that have bi-weekly meetups!
[05:26] <popman> nice
[05:27] <popman> is this new?
[05:28] <Unit193> I think since '06
[05:28] <popman> o
[05:28] <popman> never knew :D
[05:28] <Cheri703> popman: where are you located?
[05:28] <popman> so you guys support open source then?
[05:28] <Unit193> http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/reloco <--- any close to you?
[05:28] <Cheri703> *where in ohio
[05:28] <popman> Columbus
[05:29] <Cheri703> that's cool
[05:29] <popman> you?
[05:29] <Cheri703> Mansfield
[05:29] <canthus13> Columbus reloco has a U-H either this week or next.
[05:29] <Cheri703> canthus13: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/349.html
[05:30] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:30] <popman> you guys have a swedish, german, and poland reloco ?
[05:30] <canthus13> we don't, but Sweden, Germany, and Poland all have LoCos.
[05:30] <canthus13> dunno 'bout ReLoCos, though.
[05:30] <Cheri703> who updates our website canthus13 ?
[05:30] <popman> o nice
[05:31] <Cheri703> mansfield isn't on there :( :(
[05:31] <canthus13> Umm.. Jacob, I think.
[05:31] <Cheri703> wonder how many people have looked and missed the fact that mansfield has one
[05:32] <canthus13> Dunno.. I never looked for a Mansfield ReLoCo... Where's that, anyway? :)
[05:32] <Cheri703> paultag, gilbert_: if either of you see jacob, can Mansfield's ReLoCo get added to the list?
[05:32] <Cheri703> mmmmhm
[05:32] <canthus13> Cheri703: Oh... and my employer is holding a job fair wednesday.
[05:32] <Cheri703> :( :(
[05:32] <Cheri703> TELECOMMUTE!
[05:32] <canthus13> Heh.
[05:33] <popman> ooo
[05:33] <popman> cool
[05:34] <Unit193> popman: Do you use lubuntu, xubuntu or both? (or fluxbuntu ;) )
[05:34] <popman> fluxbuntu
[05:35] <popman> pretty ncie good for older computers :D
[05:37] <Cheri703> paultag does a lot with fluxbuntu
[05:37] <popman> nice
[05:38] <Unit193> Cheri703: fluxbuntu? I thought it was fluxbox + fubuntu--desktop
[05:39] <Cheri703> oh, I dunno
[05:39] <Cheri703> something with flux
[05:39] <Cheri703> *shrug* /me is tired
[05:39] <popman> my main system is windows but but meh =P
[06:06] <Unit193> popman: I'm a Windows/*Ubuntu user too (Only L/XUbuntu, not really using Ubuntu :p )
popman: I'm a Windows/*Ubuntu user too (Only L/XUbuntu, not really using Ubuntu :p ) <--- nice, hope i won't get ridiculed for using windows. I just use both
[06:53] <Unit193> Well, if you need help with Linux or windows, I'll sure try!
[06:56] <popman2> thank you :D
[06:56] <popman2> I am always learning things with linux
[06:57] <popman2> last group i was in it was to fanatic in open source, I got ridiculed for using win as main so I had to leave eventually =P
[06:59] <popman2> I like open source but I use win as well for things.
[06:59] <Unit193> I know... just one question: do you like Vista?
[07:00] <popman2> I've had driver issues with vista but I'm indiffernt about it because I never really did much in it lol
[07:00] <popman2> for instance sterio mix in vista always failed
[07:01] <popman2> also anything with sound with vista failed
[07:01] <Cheri703> popman2: we aren't fanatics here
[07:01] <Cheri703> we're crazy weird, don't get me wrong, but not fanatics :D
[07:02] <popman2> thank you :D
[07:02] <popman2> I supposrt open source but I mean we gotta live and what not
[07:02] <Unit193> I use Win, but I ssh into my Lubuntu ALL the time!
[07:02] <Cheri703> have you checked out #ubuntu-beginners? that's a good place to ask questions as well
[07:02] <Cheri703> *generally
[07:02] <popman2> nope I'll check it out :D
[07:03]  * Cheri703 idles in there
[07:03] <Cheri703> feel free to ask in here too, you're just more likely to get a timely response there
[07:03] <Cheri703> also a larger pool of knowledge
[07:03] <popman2> wow
[07:03] <popman2> never knew of these nice irc channels on freenode
[07:04] <Cheri703> yeah, there's a TON of ubuntu channels
[07:04] <Unit193> I seem to be the only one alive in #xubuntu... anyone want to help? ;)
[07:04] <Cheri703> I'm assuming from your nick that you're male?
[07:04] <popman2> yup I'm male
[07:04] <Cheri703> kk
[07:06] <Unit193> Did you checkout? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-ohio
[07:07] <popman2> nopers
[07:07] <popman2> this is helpful :D
[07:08] <Unit193> There is some sort of meet going on in C-bus soon (if it's still going on?)
[07:08] <popman2> o
[07:09] <popman2> what are meetings like?
[07:09] <Unit193> Sit and talk about what you want to talk about with random Ubuntu users
[07:10] <popman2> cool
[07:10] <Cheri703> they're fairly low key
[07:10] <Unit193> Can be help related or just talk
[07:10] <popman2> so I can talk about some open source stuff?
[07:11] <popman2> how about rep rap?
[07:12] <Cheri703> well, generally we have "ubuntu hours" which are just a group hanging out at a panera or such, but yeah, if you have a specific topic, you can likely talk about it. gilbert_ is the columbus lead
[07:12] <Unit193> It's the start of replicators!!!
[07:13] <popman2> LOL
[07:14] <Unit193> Googled
[07:14] <Cheri703> friend of mine in the uk built one with a friend
[07:15] <popman2> really
[07:15] <popman2> that's really cool
[07:16] <popman2> I've been thinking about building one myself
[07:35] <BiosElement> Wow
[07:35] <BiosElement> late night for the ohio folks >.>
[07:35] <Unit193> Always is...
[07:36] <Cheri703> last night I fell asleep in my recliner with my mouse in my hand and the light on...woke up in the exact same position....was odd
[07:36] <Unit193> How have you been doing BiosElement?
[07:36] <BiosElement> Ahh not bad now days heh, good work recently
[14:34] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:36] <thafreak> So I guess wednesday is the more or less official 20th aniversary of the beginnings of linux
[14:36] <thafreak> kinda crazy
[14:37] <thafreak> especially since most of the loco members were not born or in diapers then :)
[14:37]  * thafreak is looking at paultag
[15:26] <deejoe> you getting all greybeard on us, thafreak?
[16:05] <paultag> thafreak: hey :)
[16:07] <thafreak> get off my lawn deejoe
[16:15] <deejoe> heh
[16:15] <deejoe> not sure which of us is older.
[16:15] <deejoe> you older than Unix?
[16:16]  * deejoe casts an appraising glance at thafreak
[16:17] <thafreak> nope...older than linux...but not unix
[16:18] <thafreak> not even older than microsoft...but close
[16:19] <deejoe> well, then, you get off my lawn
[16:19] <thafreak> you older than microsoft?
[16:19] <deejoe> I have younger siblings than are older than Microsoft
[16:20] <thafreak> well, then I'll kindly stay off your lawn...but I'll be watching you from my porch
[16:20] <thafreak> whilst I whittle
[16:20] <deejoe> fair enough
[16:21] <deejoe> s/than/that/
[18:38] <thafreak_> it seems it helps if you actually RTFM...sometimes I forget that
[18:39] <canthus13> thafreak: Heh.
[18:40] <thafreak> kept trying to try out FreeNas on a VM and could never seem to get it to work
[18:41] <thafreak> Was using some kind of upgrade image, and trying to boot it as a virtual disk...
[18:41] <thafreak> guess I should have read the install instructions :)
[23:21] <BiosElement> And wonderful
[23:21] <BiosElement> My lead dev just claimed he'd lie about dev work and I'd be too ignorent to tell the difference.
[23:21] <BiosElement> And he wonders why I don't trust him. >.>