[00:25]  * sarashina Sorry for leaving a while due to Internet disconnection
[00:27] <Mekely> hello i am still having issues with installing ubuntu
[00:27] <Mekely> i get to grub2.02 and it wont install
[00:38] <deltab> Mekely: there's a number of reasons why that might be, so you should say what happens when you try, in particular what messages you see
[00:38] <deltab> however I won't be able to help you with that now. Good luck!
[00:39] <Mekely> ok that is fine, i have been trying to solve this issue all day it seems like and the return is extremely vauge
[00:40] <BaronKrause> Anyone know how to enable autologin on 18.04.03 LTS? It worked on 18.04.02, but with .03 it is just ignored, ive even reinstalled 3 times testing it.
[00:41] <deltab> BaronKrause: checked the changelog/release notes to see what was changed?
[00:42] <BaronKrause> not yet, the settings to set autologin are still there as usual though
[01:19] <Mekely> hello so i have a screen shot of my current partitions im wondering if this will properly install grub
[01:19] <Mekely> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ytXGQpLb/Screenshot%20from%202019-09-23%2020-17-49.png
[01:22] <akemhp> Mekely, You're installing it on an SD card?<
[01:22] <Mekely> technically yes
[01:23] <Mekely> its my onboard storage on a 2/1 laptop tablet
[01:23] <akemhp> I see. But why do you keep that fat32 partition?
[01:26] <Mekely> hmm its for ueif
[01:26] <Mekely> at least that is what the guy on youtube said
[01:27] <Mekely> i was following this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HckJ8UYRw38
[01:31] <naribia> I've burned ubuntu 19.04 to my 8gb flash drive
[01:31] <naribia> trying to install it on my new dell xps 15
[01:31] <akemhp> Mekely, What machine is it?
[01:31] <Mekely> oh im trying this with ubuntu 18.04 lts
[01:31] <Mekely> its a acer spin 1 2 in 1 tablet laptop
[01:31] <naribia> it says "you need at least 8.6gb, you only have 7.7"
[01:31] <akemhp> Normaly mount point for root is just "/", not "/target"
[01:32] <ironpillow> hi all, I have two ethernet interfaces. One is the built in NIC and other is usb-to-ethernet module. They are both connected to two separate networks. A (<IP_ADDRESS>) and B (<IP_ADDRESS>). Both receive dhcp from the appropriate dhcp server. But when I ping or curl from interface B - all the traffic is going out via interface A. I tried adding two routing tables: https://gist.github.com/ironpillow/6fd941f379879ff2ce19102b51155a26. Any advice
[01:32] <ironpillow> ?
[01:32] <naribia> does this mean it is not detecting the laptop HD ? thanks for any help
[01:35] <akemhp> Mekely, Looks like this machine has lots of problem to boot Ubuntu and Linux distributions in general.
[01:36] <Mekely> yeah akemhp is there anyway i can get it to install if not i will just continue using a usb
[01:36] <Mekely> at this point i would be fine with a cli install
[01:39] <Mekely> naribia: i have more then 8gb on the machine
[01:40] <naribia> mekely: you do? im talking about my machine. It should be 512 GB, I think ubuntu setup is not able to see it
[01:41] <Mekely> oh ok, i thought you were talking about my machine
[01:42] <akemhp> Mekely, Check in the bios you should be able to disable UEFI. Then boot USB install, remove everything when partitionning, and add first an ext4, with mounpoint "/" (not "/target") and 2nd partition as swap like you did, then continue the install.
[01:42] <Mekely> @hackatheos_  the `grub-efi-amd64-signed` package failed to install into / target/. without the grub boot loader, the installed system will not boot this is what i get when it tries to install grub2
[01:42] <akemhp> Mekely, But from what i read the owners was only able to get Manjaro Linux running, but it was 1 year ago.
[01:43] <Mekely> hmm i updated to a recent firmware but is manjaro debain based?
[01:43] <Mekely> i need a debain based machine
[01:43] <akemhp> It's based on Arch Linux.
[01:43] <Mekely> wait its arch based
[01:43] <Mekely> that will also work
[01:43] <hackatheos_> Kali linux is very nice
[01:43] <Mekely> yes that was what i was origonally going to install
[01:44] <akemhp> Mekely, Then i suggest try this one maybe.
[01:44] <Mekely> if its arch based i can also get the same programs i need
[01:48] <Mekely> installing manjaro
[01:48] <Mekely> thanks guys
[02:58] <pepperhead> o/
[02:59] <pepperhead> So installing Ubuntu on a poweredge with 16 drives, should I just RAID6 the lot and install on one drive?
[03:18] <pepperhead> Installing Ubuntu on a poweredge with 16 drives, should I just RAID6 the lot and install on one drive?
[03:19] <Ascavasaion> pepperhead, You need to be patient until someone with an answer reads it and answers.
[03:28] <wjlafrance> Hey everyone, just wanted to let you know I got Arch Linux installed on ZFS alongside an existing Ubuntu install. I had to create an archiso with zfs support built in as there's not enough room in the liveboot environment to install it there, plus now I have a USB stick with ZFS support baked in. It took me about 3 days to get set up. It was insanely frustrating and the most fun I've had with a computer in a while.
[03:31] <Bashing-om> wjlafrance: \o/ Glad ya got it fingered out -you did say you would :) .. thanks for the update !
[03:32] <wjlafrance> I'm sorry, I meant to paste that in #archlinux rather than #ubuntu. But thanks for your help as well Bashing-om :)
[03:34] <Bashing-om> wjlafrance: Still good to know that it all workie now :P
[03:37] <pepperhead> TBH I struggle with the freebsd vs Linux for the ZFS. ZFS is REALLY nice, but Ubuntu/Canonical really shines for DevOps right now. Congrats on the ZFS win. Arch is a feat in itself.
[03:38] <ryuo> Wouldn't this be better in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[03:38] <tatertots> yepper
[03:39] <pepperhead> Negative. It directly involves Ubuntu coixistence and extensions.
[03:41] <ryuo> yet FreeBSD and arch have nothing to do with ubuntu support.
[03:41] <pepperhead> ZFS does
[03:41] <pepperhead> As it migrates into the Ubuntu world
[03:41] <tatertots> there are plenty of ZFS howtos and youtube videos
[03:42] <ryuo> yet this isn't a place to discuss the merits of technology.
[03:42] <pepperhead> A user posted an Ubuntu success story, very relavant
[03:42] <pepperhead> Nobody asked for ZFS help
[03:43] <ryuo> which is primarily what this channel is for. support questons.
[03:43] <pepperhead> And success stories from help recieved here
[03:43] <ryuo> evidently you're not going to listen, so be it.
[03:43] <pepperhead> Someone deserved that Kudo
[03:46] <wjlafrance> I actually had Ubuntu running from ZFS for a while now and it was very nice. Not super easy to set up but worth it in the long run. But I see someone doesn't want to hear about it here so I'll be quiet.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> !offtopic
[03:46] <wjlafrance> Except to say I'm glad it's officially supported in ubuntu+1.
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> not in this channel wjlafrance pepperhead
[03:47] <pepperhead> LOL
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> only ubuntu support issues like volunteers have pointed out already
[03:57] <pepperhead> Well congrats wjlafrance. I am off. As someone noted, there are many how-tos and videos out there, making this group is irrelevant.
[03:59] <tatertots> etc/groups
[04:01] <mojtaba> Hello, I have changed my HDD (encrypted home), and now when I connect it through USB, my system does not recognize it. Do you know what should I do?
[04:08] <mojtaba> Do you know how can I mount the encrypted disk?
[04:08] <mojtaba> Previous OS was on the disk.
[04:17] <guiverc> mojtaba, what release & flavor are you using?  I've only had to boot usb, enter file manager (pcmanfm-qt; thunar) and go to partition - i'm asked for password, if I enter it i can see files.. your issue sounds more like disk isn't recognized (not related to encryption)
[04:18] <mojtaba> Previously it was Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on HDD, now it is 18.04 LTS on SSD.
[04:19] <mojtaba> It shows it now, but I cannot mount it.
[04:19] <mojtaba> It took long time to recognize it.
[04:19] <punk2g> Hi All - very new to this and hoping someone can point me in the right direction. Just starting to learn through standing up a few VM's for testing purposes. Currently trying to setup an OpenVPN sever and struggling to get two Ubuntu 18.04 instances to be able to talk to each other via SSH. I've followed a few guides for this but seem to hit the same roadblock even if I disable the firewall
[04:19] <punk2g> altogether
[04:23] <Gallomimia> does anyone know a tool i can use to visualize the allocation of my logical volumes? VisualLVM just hangs..
[04:25] <guiverc> mojtaba, i'd not used encryption in 16.04, but had to add a package to get 18.04 to recognize my encrypted /home (created in 17.10); it maybe ecryptfs-utils but I'm unsure sorry
[04:40] <Gallomimia> mojtaba i thought cryptsetup was standard on most OS
[04:42] <Gallomimia> can you describe your problem more? i've bashed my head against plenty of cryptFS problems. i'm trying to deal with LVM inside an encrypted container right now. i need a bit of visual output. but the tool i used to use no longer works
[04:43] <Gallomimia> to unlock the disk, use this: cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/path/to/device/or/partition nameofvolumeinside
[04:43] <Gallomimia> as root, usually
[04:52] <pantato> can someone tell me why ubuntu puts folders and configs in non-default paths?
[04:53] <Gallomimia> seems to me it's in a state of transition between the old way, and the new way
[05:16] <pantato> huh?
[05:53] <nikolam> Uh, I managed to set lxd/lxc and virt. machine is running, I created lxb1 bridge interface on <IP_ADDRESS> during that and virt. machine takes <IP_ADDRESS> IP dynamically.
[05:54] <nikolam> But I lost all other communication over the physical LAN adapter that is taking <IP_ADDRESS>...
[05:54] <nikolam> Should bridge interface be ultimatively in another IP range then LAN? I was under impression virt. machine can take it's role in the real world
[05:55] <nikolam> all communication is bridged over <IP_ADDRESS>, bridge adapter that is accessible only form the host machine..
[06:03] <nikolam> Also is this fully outdated or what https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[06:09] <nikolam> internet connection sharing also didn't work when set as "shared to other computers" on LAN adapter.
[06:15] <nikolam> once I deleted bridge on LAN, LAN started working
[06:18] <tatertots> nikolam: have you observed that the internet followed the bridge?
[06:19] <nikolam> hi tatertots , local LAN communication was routed through the bridge, and that stopped lan communication
[06:20] <tatertots> nikolam: vm still has lan communication? confirmed via pings?
[06:21] <nikolam> tatertots, I also deleted vm. Yes it had communication between host machine and vm , but not to outside world
[06:30] <nikolam> Maybe because dnsmasq was started also on bridge and it was in the same Ip range as other LAN
[07:25] <ws2k3> im trying to find out why a upstart service is not starting after boot. when i start it manualy it works just fine. there is also no .log file in /var/log/upstart
[07:45] <Falc> Hello. On 18.04, does anyone know of a way to do either "sudo -i" or "sudo -s" without loading root's bash profile?
[07:47] <EriC^^> Falc: i think sudo -s doesnt them
[07:48] <EriC^^> *load them
[07:49] <Falc> I tried and it does...
[07:49] <EriC^^> Falc: what did you try? i tried adding echo bla to bashrc and profile it loaded neither
[07:49] <Falc> I mean, I would 100% agree with you according to the documentation...
[07:50] <Falc> Some of my colleagues have given root a specific prompt which I dislike, so my main goal is to not load that. Both sudo -s and sudo -i changed it
[07:51] <EriC^^> Falc: hmm, do you know where they added the prompt?
[07:51] <Falc> good question
[07:52] <EriC^^> Falc: maybe try to get the prompt using "echo $PS1" and grep for part of it in /root and /etc ?
[07:54] <Falc> pretty sure it's coming from /root/.bashrc
[07:55] <EriC^^> Falc: simple test, try "sudo mv /root/.bashrc{,.backup}"
[07:56] <Falc> whoa... I'd never seen that {..} syntax before. If nothing else, you tought me something
[07:57] <Falc> EriC^^: and yes, that's the source
[07:59] <EriC^^> Falc: i wonder why it's using it for you and not for me, maybe we can strace the process?
[08:00] <Falc> EriC^^: (fwiw, sudo -s keeps me in my current location while sudo -i puts me in /root)
[08:02] <EriC^^> Falc: same for me
[08:06] <EriC^^> Falc: is there a "/etc/sudo.conf" file?
[08:06] <Falc> EriC^^: no
[08:08] <EriC^^> Falc: i kind of wonder what happens if you do "sudo -s /bin/sh"
[08:08] <Falc> EriC^^: very basic prompt
[08:10] <Falc> EriC^^: did an strace, but nothing much came out...
[08:15] <EriC^^> Falc: hmm
[08:20] <EriC^^> Falc: maybe somebody in ##linux might know more about the matter
[08:20] <Falc> EriC^^: thanks anywa
[08:20] <EriC^^> Falc: no problem
[08:23] <EriC^^> Falc: do you have any alias or function of sudo by any chance? try "type sudo"
[08:23] <Falc> sudo is hashed (/usr/bin/sudo)
[08:26] <Falc> EriC^^: sudo /bin/bash --rcfile /home/ldt/.bashrc  <= not quite the solution I was hoping, but it works, so *shrug*
[08:27] <ws2k3> im trying to find out why a upstart service is not starting after boot. when i start it manualy it works just fine. there is also no .log file in /var/log/upstart anyone an idea on how to debug?
[08:41] <deadbit> Is screen still supported under 18.04
[08:42] <deadbit> I see the list of sources for it in the repository but i'm having trouble starting it under the current session in terminal.
[08:42] <mendi> hi friends ubuntu doesn't let me install on my gtx 1070ti
[08:42] <mendi> size unavailable is the only error
[08:42] <deadbit> mendi what do you mean?
[08:42] <mendi> windows 10 works fine
[08:43] <mendi> no display output
[08:43] <deadbit> drivers
[08:43] <mendi> im using 18.04 from the website
[08:43] <mendi> 18.04.3
[08:43] <deadbit> but what drivers have you uploaded for it? theres an option when installing ubuntu to use 3rd party drivers
[08:43] <deadbit> that's the release of ubuntu version but not the version of drivers for your hardware
[08:43] <mendi> the install tool doesnt work
[08:43] <mendi> the install tool doesnt output anything on the screen
[08:44] <deadbit> which install tool? mendi
[08:44] <mendi> it shows ubuntu logo, says size unavailable before that and then all output gone, monitor says no signal
[08:44] <mendi> install tool from usb
[08:44] <mendi> that i made with windows dd
[08:45] <mendi> made with LiLi before that same issue
[08:45] <mendi> switched usbs even
[08:46] <deadbit> mendi so youre saying your installing using a usb/dd ubuntu installer?
[08:46] <deadbit> fastest and easiest way ive tried is rufus with iso. not gpt/dd
[08:47] <mendi> official iso, written with dd on gpt
[08:47] <deadbit> you can try a uefi/gpt installer from rufus as well; should work
[08:47] <deadbit> try rufus
[08:47] <mendi> ok
[08:49] <mendi> i think ill still have to use the intel graphics for install then get the non-free drivers but im afraid they wont work
[08:50] <deadbit> yeah you might. but add the switch (check the box) for 3rd party drivers
[08:50] <deadbit> play on linux should have some support regarding the drivers for the gtx1070
[08:50] <deadbit> i don't game on pc much these days so i've lost some insight to it.
[08:51] <rishav> Hey I have seen that my battery drain faster in ubuntu or any linux than it was on Windows.. Does anyone have any suggestion for this..
[08:51] <mendi> ill use it for cuda so output to display not that important but still kind of strange
[08:53] <deadbit> rishav usually some driver
[08:53] <mendi> rufus doesnt detect devices even though i have 1 ntfs 1 ext4 or whatever dd wrote
[08:53] <deadbit> or have you checked the PS states for your machine under linux?
[08:54] <deadbit> rufus does detect, there's a checkbox for show all partitions i think or show all hdds
[08:54] <mendi> oh wtf
[08:54] <mendi> ty
[08:54] <deadbit> if it's a usb device; you should be able to detect it and write to it as a gpt/dd installation for ubuntu using whatever iso you downloaded.
[08:54] <mendi> why would they not enable that by default
[08:54] <deadbit> not sure.
[08:56] <rishav> deadbit, my laptop is lenovo ideapad 320. in the lenovo support they provide only drivers for windows OS. Now how will I get driver for linux
[08:56] <ws2k3> im trying to find out why a upstart service is not starting after boot. when i start it manualy it works just fine. there is also no .log file in /var/log/upstart anyone an idea on how to debug?
[08:57] <deadbit> rishav i'm sure there are drivers out there... have you looked at the forums.
[08:58] <deadbit> there is a full and rich community of developers that work for free to help develop a HAL/compatible for ubuntu
[08:58] <deadbit> you might have to port over drivers from a different distribution or look one level up under debian for them.
[08:59] <deadbit> but i'm sure they're there
[08:59] <deadbit> brb
[08:59] <rishav> deadbit, I didn't get much help in the forums. they all said that companies provide windows specific drivers, that's why windows is able to save power however linux/ubuntu is not able to do that
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: wich ubuntu version are you still using?
[09:02] <ws2k3> lotuspsychje: 14.04
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: are you paying for ESM support?
[09:02] <ws2k3> lotuspsychje: else it woudent be upstart =)
[09:02] <ws2k3> no
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: then 14.04 is end of life for you, we cannot support it anymore here
[09:04] <mendi> I still have 14.04 on a CD
[09:04] <ws2k3> had this discussion maby times before here and its a bit tiring but allright. does the fact that 14.04 is EOL change anything about upstart?
[09:04] <mendi> back when ubuntu looked fresh in gnome2
[09:04] <lotuspsychje> mendi: please only ubuntu support questions here
[09:05] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: feel free to discuss about it in #ubuntu-discuss
[09:05] <mendi> ubuntu 18.04 runs on gnome and not unity right?
[09:06] <ws2k3> yeah exacly. another anser that is totaly unrelated to my question. which brings me back at my point. what is a good way to debug upstart?
[09:06] <ws2k3> i already tryed the methods described here https://blog.thesparktree.com/debugging-upstart-jobs-on-ubuntu-1404 but didnt found anything
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: we cannot support your ubuntu version, its reccomended you install a supported version from the topic
[09:07] <ws2k3> lotuspsychje: ok. maby someone else has something usefull to say :)
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> no
[09:07] <mendi>  ^
[09:07] <ws2k3> thats the fun of irc. thats not up to you =)
[09:08] <mendi> let the guy use centuries old software if he wants to
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> !chat | mendi
[09:09] <ws2k3> so yeah. anyone any idea's?
[09:09] <deadbit> rishav
[09:10] <deadbit> i'm trying to get screen to work so i can keep my buffers/logs but i cant even get weechat to keep the damn servers in it's add-list.
[09:10] <deadbit> oi vey. why did i come back to computing?!
[09:10] <deadbit> i should have stayed in gaming and braindead.
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> deadbit: please stay ontopic
[09:11] <deadbit> does ubuntu lts 18.04 support screen?
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> !info screen | deadbit yes
[09:11] <ws2k3> deadbit: yes apt-get install screen
[09:11] <deadbit> yeah i tried that and found it in the repositories but it doesn't start
[09:12] <ws2k3> deadbit:  what happens you type screen and hit enter?
[09:13] <ws2k3> oh and fyi lotuspsychje screen also works realy Great on ubuntu 14.04 a miracle isnt it? :D
[09:14] <mendi> deadbit my ubuntu installer now hangs the bios and nothing will boot until I unplug it really funny
[09:15] <deadbit> i used to use screen on debian 8
[09:15] <deadbit> i wanna say.
[09:15] <deadbit> you have to do screen -R for a new session
[09:15] <deadbit> but i peters out on me.
[09:15] <deadbit> nothing happens is what i mean ws2k3
[09:16] <ws2k3> deadbit: show us. pastebin ur output
[09:16] <deadbit> ps aux | grep -i weechat
[09:16] <deadbit> does give me the pid so i can try to start a new screen with that
[09:17] <deadbit> i got it.
[09:17] <deadbit> sweet!
[09:20] <deadbit> ws2k3 thanx
[09:21] <deadbit> i forgot to see if it was just clearing the buffer first. screen -r shows the available screens.
[09:22] <humpled> thought that would be screen -ls
[09:23] <mendi> isnt there a netinstall version of ubuntu
[09:23] <mendi> for 18.04
[09:23] <ws2k3> mendi:  why go with ubuntu?
[09:26] <deadbit> ws2k3 imgur.com/a/ulVGnql
[09:26] <mendi> the cuda version that i want is compiled for 18.04 ws2k3 don't know of it will work on debian 9
[09:26] <deadbit> probably because it has the most UXUI friendly environment that doesn't require an in depth knowledge for make-install
[09:27] <deadbit> or compiling your own kernel
[09:27] <ws2k3> deadbit: https://imgur.com/a/ulVGnql is not a valid link
[09:27] <deadbit> mendi what about debian 8
[09:27] <ws2k3> deadbit: proberly debian 10 is a better idea
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> stop that ws2k3
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> ws2k3: you are in the ubuntu support channel, please dont reccomend another Os
[09:28] <ws2k3> xD
[09:28] <deadbit> try https ws2k3
[09:29] <ws2k3> deadbit:  i did
[09:29] <ws2k3> https://imgur.com/a/ulVGnql not a valid link
[09:29] <deadbit> oh well
[09:29] <mendi> so ubuntu doesnt have netinstall right?
[09:29] <deadbit> take my word for it.
[09:29] <deadbit> it screen works fine
[09:29] <deadbit> i just have to brush up on commands
[09:30] <mendi> could install debian then upgrade to ubuntu
[09:30] <mendi> 100 iq
[09:30] <deadbit> lol
[09:30] <ws2k3> mendi: yeah good idea
[09:30] <deadbit> or any kubuntu variant
[09:30] <Ascavasaion> So I installed Lubuntu on a machine.  I then swapped the monitor and it refuses to display anything.  Monitor has blue light, so it is getting signal, and it displays POST on boot.  Any idea why it is not autodetectecting the new monitor and working?
[09:30] <Ascavasaion> autodetecting
[09:30] <deadbit> sorry *ubuntu variant
[09:30] <ws2k3> mendi: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/bt-cd/debian-10.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso.torrent there you go
[09:31] <export> Ascavasaion: probably because xrandr
[09:31] <mendi> thx dont ban him hes just helping me install ubuntu
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> !ops | ws2k3 deadbit mendi disturbing, trolling, debian reccomends, offtopic
[09:32] <deadbit> ws2k3 yes Debian 10 would be a better choice but if the cuda he's trying has been around for a while, odds are debian 8 has stable support for it
[09:32] <ws2k3> hmm
[09:32] <Ascavasaion> export, but it does not even show the boot up images and log in screen.  POST and then black for the rest of the boot.
[09:33] <deadbit> ws2k3 wow you triggered someone on irc?
[09:33] <DalekSec> !mini
[09:33] <ws2k3> deadbit:  no lotuspsychje did
[09:33] <DalekSec> mendi: Netinst for Ubuntu, sure.
[09:33] <deadbit> #ubuntu and IRC as a proxy/extension has changed a LOT!!!
[09:33] <DalekSec> ws2k3: Please keep the Debian support in #debian though.
[09:33] <export> Ascavasaion: are you running only one gpu?
[09:33] <Ascavasaion> export, YEs
[09:33] <ws2k3> DalekSec:  i will. at the same time it would be very nice is lotuspsychje can stop being a little child
[09:34] <deadbit> ^ agree
[09:34] <export> Ascavasaion: i presume when bios exists, it will simply pass off to the kernel, and the kernel goes from there, usually if a card works on one system it works on the other, if only one, try to disable onboard if using external
[09:34] <ws2k3> DalekSec deadbit its very simple. he already chose to screw me a several times. so he deserved some payback.
[09:34] <deadbit> hey did come to ubuntu and unfortunately its not working for him. an alternative solution is not another OS. it's the grandaddy OS and framework/foundation for this one.
[09:35] <Ascavasaion> export, I am using the onboard.
[09:35] <deadbit> ubuntu is only an additional layer built UPON debian.
[09:35] <deadbit> so logic dictates that we are still essentially offering topic related information.
[09:35] <DalekSec> ws2k3: This isn't really te channel for that, though.
[09:35] <ws2k3> DalekSec: agree
[09:35] <deadbit> it'd be like talking about a tree and referring to it's root system as a completely separate organism.
[09:36] <ws2k3> DalekSec:  but it had to be done. but i agree with you
[09:36] <humpled> ffs
[09:36] <DalekSec> deadbit: No, #ubuntu is for Ubuntu and official flavors.  If Ubuntu doesn't work for him, that's understandable to note that something else will, but with further queries on the subject in the appropriate channel.
[09:37] <deadbit> cool
[09:37] <deadbit> that's reasonable
[09:37] <deadbit> daleksec
[09:37] <mendi> but ubuntu installer really doesnt recognize 1070ti
[09:37] <deadbit> so mendi in so many words they're saying "fuck off and try something else" that they won't help you with here
[09:37] <DalekSec> mendi: The mini.iso (what Debian calls netinst) uses the debian-installer last I knew.
[09:37] <deadbit> mendi try #linux
[09:37] <export> deadbit: also debian is far different from ubuntu from a literal standpoint, it's necessary to have different support channel.s
[09:38] <export> channels*
[09:38] <mendi> thanks DalekSec ill try it
[09:38] <export> Ascavasaion: maybe poke around in bios an see if you can get anything disbabled.
[09:38] <DalekSec> mendi: I have no idea if that'll help with your specific issue, but it might be worth a shot?
[09:38] <deadbit> export i don't disagree with that perspective. completely understood.
[09:39] <Ascavasaion> export, Okay, will do.  Just perplexed how ti worked until I changed the monitor.
[09:39] <export> Ascavasaion: could possibly need to tinker with refresh rates and stuff, a new monitor can be weird nonethless maybe even get a live usb and see what happens to determine the defaults.
[09:40] <deadbit> well ascavasaion did you try to restart it?
[09:40] <deadbit> i'm being serious. daemon could have hung.
[09:40] <export> that is also fair...
[09:40] <deadbit> grep your processes to see if one is blitzed.
[09:48] <Ascavasaion> export, I would use a live USB if the moitor stayed on beyond flashing a second or so of POST
[09:48] <Ascavasaion> deadbit, Numerous times
[09:49] <Ascavasaion> I allowed it to boot all the way to the login screen, I could not see anything with the blank monitor... and left it to go into power saving, monitor light went orange after a few minutes.  I then his ESC and the computer flashed the Lubuntu login screen for a second and then went blank again.  The monitor light remained blue.
[09:49] <Ascavasaion> I have tried different cables too.
[09:50] <export> Ascavasaion: so did you try using xrandr from a brand new booted system?
[09:50] <deadbit> no that seems like it can't get the refresh/dimensions right
[09:50] <export> just google xrandr and i'm sure you can fidn soemthing that can get it right
[09:50] <deadbit> if it's flashing the splash screen and does work during post
[09:50] <deadbit> then it is pushing/pulling mib info
[09:50] <Ascavasaion> export, Cannot use xrandr if there is nothing displayed after a second of POST.
[09:51] <deadbit> but once it changes the ps for the monitor, maybe it's the driver you are using for your video card or graphics card settings.
[09:51] <deadbit> drop them to the most ugliest basic settings
[09:51] <Ascavasaion> deadbit, IT does not show the whole POST, it flashes that initial screen with CPU etc stuff (very quickly so cannot be sure what it shows, and then goes blank.
[09:51] <export> Ascavasaion: not even on one monitor?
[09:51] <deadbit> then if it doesn't show all POST info; try #hardware
[09:51] <Ascavasaion> export, I am only using one monitor, it is not a dual monitor set up.
[09:52] <deadbit> at that point it's based on MIB and not installation
[09:52] <deadbit> and that's hardware related.
[09:52] <deadbit> unless you have a diff monitor Ascavasaion and that monitor works
[09:52] <Ascavasaion> deadbit, Think I will have to
[09:52] <Ascavasaion> deadbit, It works with other monitors... but they are being used on other computers.
[09:53] <Ascavasaion> LEt me try the monitor giving the issues on this machine
[09:53] <deadbit> Ascavasaion: complete post?
[09:53] <deadbit> yeah try that... use the troublesome monitor on this current session
[09:54] <ws2k3> im trying to find out why a upstart service is not starting after boot. when i start it manualy it works just fine. there is also no .log file in /var/log/upstart anyone an idea on how to debug?
[09:56] <nailyk> Hello. In my company we are looking for a new distribution with support. Looking at buy.ubuntu it seems only the 14.04 is avaiable. Is there any new ubuntu version with corporate support please ?
[10:00] <Ascavasaion> deadbit, I am chatting to you using this as the third monitor on my laptop.
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !esm | nailyk
[10:02] <nailyk> thanks lotuspsychje ;)
[10:03] <ws2k3> lol :)
[10:07] <ws2k3> im trying to find out why a upstart service is not starting after boot. when i start it manualy it works just fine. there is also no .log file in /var/log/upstart anyone an idea on how to debug?
[10:09] <ikonia> is there a current supported ubuntu version still using upstart ?
[10:10] <ws2k3> ikonia: no idea why you ask?
[10:11] <ikonia> ws2k3: well, only supported ubuntu version are for discussion here, and I thought all current supported ubuntu version where all systemd by now
[10:11] <ikonia> I thought (could be wrong) that the ubuntu versions still using upstart where EOL
[10:11] <ws2k3> yes i think its eol
[10:12] <ikonia> then it's not supported in this channel
[10:12] <ikonia> what version is it out of interest ?
[10:12] <ws2k3> 14.04
[10:12] <ikonia> yeah, long EOL
[10:12] <deadbit> alright i'm out
[10:13] <ws2k3> its been eol for 5 months but still that its eol does not change the behavior of upstart ^^
[10:14] <jeremyb> EOL means we no longer support it
[10:15] <ws2k3> k :) this is so exhausting
[10:16] <SimonNL> Now I understand why the topic was changed
[10:16] <SimonNL> months ago
[10:16] <ikonia> RIP a good distro
[10:18] <ws2k3> haha
[10:19] <mgedmin> why do I keep forgetting that 19.10 is not out yet and no I'm not running it
[10:19] <mgedmin> every time I see 19.04 I think "why use that old distro" augh stupid brain
[10:21] <statusfailed> does the  mesa-vulkan-drivers package give me a software renderer for vulkan? I'm pretty sure my intel integrated graphics card doesn't support vulkan
[10:26] <VHS1987> Hi there, I am having a debate regarding Ubuntu with a friend, and we need community opinion to know who is right lol
[10:26] <VHS1987> The question is:
[10:26] <ikonia> this is a support channel VHS1987
[10:26] <VHS1987> do you mean I can't ask questions here?
[10:27] <ikonia> if you have a support related question, yes
[10:27] <VHS1987> well, it is related to installing things on Ubuntu
[10:27] <VHS1987> question is:
[10:29] <VHS1987> If I install `apt-get install python3` today on Ubuntu 18.04 and python `3.6.5` is installed, then if I do exactly the same on another machine 2 years later but STILL on Ubuntu 18.04, will I get still python `3.6` because its the default version for 18.04 (bionic) ? Or will I get whatever new versions there is by that time?
[10:29] <mgedmin> you'll get 3.6
[10:29] <VHS1987> You read quite fast lol
[10:30] <mgedmin> you might get a newer point release of 3.6, or just 3.6.5 with a few more security patches backported
[10:30] <VHS1987> So I am right thanks :)  If I understand it well, default version of packages are fixed based on the OS version, is that correct?
[10:30] <mgedmin> if you want an official-sounding page describing this policy, it's here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:32] <VHS1987> that is a good link that you shared there
[10:32] <VHS1987> thank you
[10:45] <mendi> @DalekSec ty for the tip! mini.iso is a lifesaver
[10:46] <mendi> how good is the ntfs driver for linux
[10:46] <mendi> in terms of speed vs ext4
[10:47] <mendi> is there any difference
[10:53] <mendi> does efi partition need a mountpoint or should i just format it to fat32 and expect installer to detect it
[10:54] <mgedmin> you need to mount it on /boot/efi, or grub-install will complain
[10:55] <mendi> alright but i cant change the boot flag from off
[10:55] <mendi> i press enter and nothing happens
[10:55] <mgedmin> the installer should take care of it if you install on an efi system
[10:56] <mendi> so leave boot flag off?
[10:56] <mgedmin> (I don't know what happens if you do manual partitioning, though!)
[10:57] <mgedmin> are you using a MBR or GPT disklabel?  I don't think GPT has bootable flags...
[10:57] <mendi> GPT
[10:58] <mendi> that would make sense why it doesnt want to set it
[10:58] <mendi> haha
[10:58] <mgedmin> at least fdisk -l doesn't show anything like it on my GPT system -- it doesn't even show a Bootable column
[10:58] <mendi> installer still complains about no efi
[10:58] <mendi> partition
[10:58] <mgedmin> partition type must be efi, I think?
[10:58] <tomreyn> gpt does support the 'boot' flag. i'm not sure you need it, though.
[10:58] <mendi> ohhhhhh
[10:59] <mendi> there is an efi partition type
[10:59] <mendi> thank you!!!!
[11:00] <mgedmin> huh, the ubuntu installer set up my /boot/efi to be mounted with umask=0077, I wonder why
[11:02] <mendi> thats only write and execute without read?
[11:07] <statusfailed> I want to mess around with Vulkan, but my intel graphics chip is too old to support it; can I get mesa to do software rendering somehow?
[11:07] <humpled> i think that means root can do anything but group and others can do nothing
[11:09] <mgedmin> yeah, umask 077 takes away rwx for group and other
[11:09] <mgedmin> yesterday I tried to make a server boot using UEFI and failed miserably
[11:09] <mgedmin> (I had two servers; one worked fine, the other didn't)
[11:10] <mgedmin> had to give up and return to legacy boot
[11:10] <mgedmin> how are you supposed to use efibootmgr when /sys/firmware/efi is not accessible because you legacy booted anyway?
[11:11] <tomreyn> you don't, you boot in uefi mode to access /sys/firmware/efi
[11:13] <faceface> hello
[11:14] <faceface> I'm bionic, but a dist described here doesn't list bionic: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup
[11:14] <faceface> Do I just go with jessie?
[11:14] <tomreyn> statusfailed: https://salsa.debian.org/Kazan-team/kazan/blob/master/README.md
[11:15] <faceface> wait... what even is jessie?
[11:16] <faceface> I@m so noob
[11:17] <tomreyn> faceface: "jessie" is a debian release name, this is #ubuntu (bionic is an ubuntu release name, that of 18.04 LTS)
[11:17] <faceface> oh right
[11:17] <faceface> Just found that :-)
[11:17] <faceface> https://releases.wikimedia.org/debian/dists/ <- any way to pick?
[11:17] <faceface> Try one and hope it works?
[11:18] <faceface> so bionic is based on buster... Jessie seems older
[11:18] <faceface> strange they mix ubuntu and debian names there
[11:19] <tomreyn> do you have an ubuntu support question?
[11:19] <faceface> yes
[11:19] <faceface> the instructions here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Parsoid/Setup mention a repo that doesn't match bionic. A) can and B) how can I work around this?
[11:20] <tomreyn> talk to the developers, this channel only supports packages in ubuntu's repositories, not third party software
[11:20] <faceface> oh, great
[11:20] <faceface> I bet you're real popular at parties ;-P
[11:20] <faceface> thanks though
[11:25] <amosbird> Hello, what's the right way to upgrade a local .deb package?
[11:25] <amosbird> just apt-get install .deb?
[11:25] <faceface> amosbird: dkms -i I belive
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> amosbird: wich program are you going to install please?
[11:26] <faceface> but generally you want to find it in a repo
[11:26] <amosbird> lotuspsychje: some local packages
[11:26] <faceface> amosbird: it does make a difference
[11:26] <faceface> apt update
[11:26] <amosbird> faceface: it's packaged from a github repo
[11:26] <amosbird> it's compiled and built locally
[11:27] <faceface> dkms -i
[11:27] <amosbird> so I can repeatedly call dkms -i when github repo updates?
[11:27] <faceface> Depends on how the deb was built I'd guess... But I think so
[11:28] <amosbird> thanks
[11:28] <amosbird> faceface: will dkms -i install dependent packages too?
[11:28] <leftyfb> no
[11:29] <leftyfb> dkms will not update any packages
[11:29] <faceface> sorry
[11:29] <mgedmin> are you sure you meant dkms -i, and not dpkg -i?
[11:29] <amosbird> .........
[11:29] <leftyfb> amosbird: if you installed a .deb manually, (without apt) then it will not be updated in any way. Not unless that app installed it's own repo
[11:30] <amosbird> leftyfb: I mean to replace it
[11:30] <amosbird> the update deb is on my hand now
[11:30] <leftyfb> amosbird: what package is this?
[11:30] <amosbird> leftyfb: https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse but locally built one
[11:31] <amosbird> it has some debian script to generate debs
[11:31] <amosbird> https://github.com/ClickHouse/ClickHouse/tree/master/debian
[11:31] <leftyfb> there's no way to update that. You'll be reinstalling it every time
[11:32] <amosbird> leftyfb: yes. but how
[11:32] <amosbird> "reinstalling"
[11:32] <leftyfb> the same way you installed it the first time
[11:32] <leftyfb> amosbird: for that, you'll need to seek support from the project maintainer/site/support
[11:33] <amosbird> leftyfb: the same way?
[11:33] <amosbird> that's funny
[11:33] <leftyfb> why is that funny?
[11:33] <amosbird> 19:25 <amosbird> Hello, what's the right way to upgrade a local .deb package?
[11:33] <amosbird> 19:25 <amosbird> just apt-get install .deb?
[11:34] <leftyfb> amosbird: you'll need to download the .deb and run "sudo dpkg -i package.deb"
[11:35] <amosbird> leftyfb: even if the first installation is apt-install?
[11:35] <leftyfb> either way
[11:35] <humpled> they have a repo, but you have locally compiled?
[11:36] <amosbird> leftyfb: either way?
[11:36] <leftyfb> humpled: they don't have a repo
[11:36] <amosbird> will dpkg -i somehow pull in the new dependencies if any?
[11:36] <humpled> https://clickhouse.yandex/#quick-start
[11:37] <mgedmin> dpkg -i doesn't do anyhting about dependencies, except complain loudly (but then it goes ahead and installs anyway)
[11:37] <leftyfb> amosbird: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/159114
[11:37] <amosbird> humpled: yes, I'm doing development
[11:37] <mgedmin> you can apt install -f or --fix-missing to install missing dependencies, assuming those are available from some apt repo
[11:37] <amosbird> leftyfb: apt install it is then
[11:37] <hackatheos_> So to update you wouldnt use apt-get
[11:38] <amosbird> that apt-get -> apt thing
[11:38] <mgedmin> dealing with .debs is a pain, which is why it's very nice to set up a ppa once you're done developing and want to make the thing installable
[11:38] <amosbird> when did that happen?
[11:38] <mgedmin> a couple of years ago?
[11:38] <amosbird> 16.04?
[11:38] <mgedmin> ooh 2014, I'm old: https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/
[11:38] <amosbird> ok
[11:38] <amosbird> "set up a ppa" sounds cool
[11:39] <humpled> :v
[11:39] <mgedmin> yeah it likely missed the 14.04 lts window
[11:39] <amosbird> is there a global ppa repo I can use, similar to docker hub?
[11:39] <mgedmin> no, but if you have a launchpad account you sort of already have a ppa
[11:39] <leftyfb> amosbird: launchpad.net
[11:39] <amosbird> how much space do I have?
[11:39] <mgedmin> like 2 gigs I think?
[11:39] <amosbird> ..........
[11:39] <amosbird> that's too low....
[11:40] <leftyfb> for .deb packages????
[11:40] <mgedmin> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[11:40] <mgedmin> "if you need more space, ask us"
[11:40] <mgedmin> what is it you're packaging that doesn't fit in 2 gigs???
[11:41] <amosbird> mgedmin: it barely fits
[11:42] <amosbird> ok, I guess it's doable
[11:42] <amosbird> so
[11:42] <amosbird> can I repushing a new deb to my ppa to replace the old one so that it won't take addtional space?
[11:43] <leftyfb> amosbird: please see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA for support with PPA's. It's not supported here.
[11:43] <mgedmin> ... I don't know how the accounting is being done?
[11:43] <mgedmin> you can delete packages manually in the UI
[11:43] <mgedmin> and there's a Python API (launchpadlib) for automation
[11:44] <amosbird> lemme do some experiments
[11:44] <amosbird> dput ppa:amosbird/ppa <source.changes>   heh, so it's darn simple
[11:45] <amosbird> here are all the files I've packaged https://la.wentropy.com/iqcA . should I just place them into the <source.changes>?
[11:45] <leftyfb> !ot | amosbird
[11:45] <leftyfb> amosbird: try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-devel
[11:46] <amosbird> thanks
[11:48] <kristian_> Hey I am looking for a way to quickly save notes on ubuntu 18, I'm not looking for a fully fledged notes app but rather a notes "widget" with less features but can be accessed quickly
[11:48] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | kristian_
[11:48] <EriC^^> kristian_: xpad?
[11:50] <leftyfb> kristian_: https://itsfoss.com/indicator-stickynotes-windows-like-sticky-note-app-for-ubuntu/   # first result on google for "ubuntu sticky notes"
[11:50] <mgedmin> many years ago tomboy was a great notes app, but it's not integrating nicely into modern desktops any more
[11:50] <mgedmin> I haven't found a good replacement yet; I ended up using google keep in a browser window
[11:50] <mgedmin> (also because it does sync with my phone)
[11:53] <kristian_> thanks for your suggestions
[11:53] <kristian_> stickynotes looks like I want leftyfb (I have been googling but not for stickynotes.. ;) )
[11:54] <ws2k3> any idea why this upstart script would fail? https://pastebin.com/vHPnDiHS there is nothing in the logfile defined nor in the /var/log/upstart/conf.log
[11:55] <tomreyn> use systemd
[11:55] <mgedmin> more precisely, use a supported ubuntu version that's not EOL -- all of which use systemd
[12:06] <ikonia> ws2k3: 14.04 is EOL and not supported here, please dont ask again
[12:07] <ws2k3> ikonia: ... its not allowed for someone else to respond???
[12:09] <ikonia> ws2k3: not allowed to ask
[12:09] <ws2k3> ikonia: hmm nah that doesnt make any sense
[12:11] <ikonia> ws2k3: that's fine that you don't get it, but we don't support EOL distros in this channel
[12:12] <ws2k3> ikonia: k. maby someone else has something to say that is actualy usefull ^^
[12:12] <JimBuntu> ws2k3, how about this... it's in the topic - "#ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 16.04, 18.04, 19.04"
[12:12] <ws2k3> JimBuntu:  how is that usefull?
[12:12] <ikonia> ws2k3: bottom line, please stop asking
[12:12] <ikonia> work within the channels topic/rules/policy whatever you want to call it (please)
[12:14] <JimBuntu> ws2k3, You could try ##Linux or #upstart
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:38] <manornk> Hi, I copied some files from windows to linux, and the files have names: š, č, ć.. and now those characters are as ???
[12:38] <manornk> How to fix this
[12:38] <manornk> But when i create directly file with such names, it works
[12:42] <ikonia> #theforeman
[12:42] <ikonia> oops
[12:43] <vlt> manornk: What does "from windows" actually mean? What did you do?
[12:44] <manornk> vlt, Copy from windows file system to linux server, and all those crazy characters ended up being read as ?
[12:44] <cchildress> hi all. I want my Ubuntu VMs to restart in case of a kernel panic and send a kdump to a remote machine
[12:45] <cchildress> So far, I've followed the guide at help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/kernel-crash-dump.html, and the "testing" section has shown that the functions work as expected
[12:45] <vlt> manornk: Seomtimes `mount -o utf8 <windows_fs> <mount_point>` works.
[12:45] <cchildress> however, I'm still occasionally seeing hung VMs (in kernel panic), with no dump. what, if anything, can I do?
[12:46] <vlt> manornk: You might need that option if your filenames don't have only special characters.
[12:47] <manornk> vlt, it's ščž letters
[12:49] <pragmaticenigma> cchildress: You might want to try #ubuntu-server... this channel is more focused on Desktop Ubuntu
[12:51] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: TTY and terminal emulators aren't always configured to render UTF-8 charactesr in file names. There really isn't a fix other than to try a different terminal emulator. If you are remotely accessing the server via Putty ... you may need to change the settings in your SSH client to understand there are UTF-8 characters.
[12:52] <manornk> pragmaticenigma, This was windows  server and in copying it lost it's names, just looking if there is any way to fix  names
[12:53] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: No, nothing automatted. Were you using Samba/Windows File Share to transfer the files?
[12:53] <mgedmin> well, first figure out if the names really aren't there, or if they're just not displaying because your locale or terminal charset is wrong
[12:53] <manornk> mgedmin, They are not there. it's not display problem
[12:54] <manornk> pragmaticenigma, Not samba, download on local windows machine and then upload
[12:54] <manornk> either of servers are not local servers, but web
[12:54] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: How are you transfering the files back and forth?
[12:54] <manornk> pragmaticenigma, FTP access
[12:55] <manornk> we were migrating files to new server
[12:55] <mgedmin> what FTP server?  (proftpd/vsftpd/???)
[12:55] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: FTP doesn't support UTF-8 file names. Use SFTP
[12:55] <manornk> we copied with sftp on our linxu machine, but ftp from windows
[12:56] <manornk> pragmaticenigma, so is new copy-paste (better one this time) best way?
[12:57] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: Without RFC 2640 support, FTP by default does not support UTF-8 character sets in file names, and both the server and the client program have to support that RFC specification.
[12:57] <manornk> pragmaticenigma, Thanks.
[12:57] <geirha> so just use sftp both ways
[12:58] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: The only options I can think of are to setup a VPN to that machine and copy them down via windows file share, or to install an SFTP server on the remote machine and download them that way
[12:58] <manornk> Thank you very much.
[12:59] <pragmaticenigma> manornk: Another idea that comes to mind is to use a container format like 7-zip or just a plain zip file. Bundle the files up, and download the archive, decompress locally and then upload
[12:59] <Siamaster> My computer freezes crashes when I copy large files from disk A to other disks. I have tried copying to another SDD and an HDD disks both crashes in same way
[12:59] <manornk> pragmaticenigma, that may be the best one yet, simplest
[13:00] <Siamaster> Someone suggested to upgrade my BIOS firmware. I have done that now and the problem is still there
[13:01] <pragmaticenigma> Siamaster: What is "Disk A" ? What is the disk formatted in? Is the disk encrypted?
[13:04] <Siamaster> Disk A is the 240 GB SDD formated in ext4
[13:04] <Siamaster> nautilus says ext3/ext4 but I remember formatting it in ext4
[13:05] <Siamaster> It's there drive I have ubuntu installed on and my boot drive
[13:09] <humpled> is the target filesystem vfat and are the files larger than 4GB?
[13:11] <Siamaster> HDD is fuse and SDD is ext4
[13:11] <Siamaster> I have 3 disks. 2 SDD one HDD
[13:13] <Siamaster> and besides from the crash while copying, I'm having regular daily random freezes and crashes that I don't know how to recreate
[13:13] <Siamaster> but the copying crashes everytime
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> Siamaster: journalctl -f and try a copy, see if you can catch errors and pastebin the whole output
[13:22] <adkjump> hi, I'm having trouble scripting a preseed/early_command for the Ubuntu installer, it works fine in Debian but isn't run in Ubuntu
[13:22] <adkjump> is this the right place to ask?
[13:24] <mgedmin> maybe?  which installer are you using?  iirc 18.04 switched to a different installer which maybe doesn't use quite the same preseed mechanism?
[13:24] <mgedmin> (but there are alternative iso images that still use debian-installer)
[13:24] <adkjump> text mode installer not the graphical one
[13:24] <Siamaster> hmm. It doesn't seem to crash anymore
[13:25] <Siamaster> Thanks!
[13:25] <mgedmin> ah, sorry, I was talking about server images (which have a new text-mode installer that's not debian-installer since 18.04)
[13:27] <adkjump> mgedmin: ah, we're getting our images from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[13:27] <mgedmin> ah, netboot
[13:27] <mgedmin> anyway I've exhausted my knowledge on the topic
[13:28] <adkjump> ok, thanks anyway, do you know where are the docs on the server text-mode installer by any chance?
[14:07] <wonko> I followed this when I was runng 18.04 and it worked as intended: https://fixingitpro.com/2018/12/28/displaying-ip-info-on-console-with-netplan/
[14:08] <wonko> now that I'm running 19.04 it's no longer working (fresh install) is there something I may have missed or does netplan behave differently now?
[14:09] <mgedmin> possibly the login prompt is displayed before the network is up?
[14:10] <tomreyn> or the legacy "route" command no longer exists?
[14:10] <wonko> I'm not doing exactly what he's doing there, I've just stolen his technique. I'm running an ip rule and ip route
[14:11] <wonko> but they never get added
[14:11] <tomreyn> editing /etc/issue.net is probably not a good idea anyways. better use the motd-tail mechanism
[14:11] <wonko> I'm not doing that
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> wonko: Can you better describe what you are trying to do, a volunteer might have a different approach that is more effective
[14:12] <wonko> I'm just trying to get netplan to run a script after the network comes up
[14:12] <wonko> ^^
[14:12] <wonko> :-D
[14:12] <wonko> I need to add a rule and a route to a table when the network comes up
[14:12] <tomreyn> netplan doesn't bring up the network, so that's probably the wrong place to hook into
[14:13] <wonko> ip rule add from <IP_ADDRESS> table StaticIPs
[14:13] <wonko> ip route add default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev br.StaticIPs table StaticIPs
[14:13] <wonko> networkd-dispatcher supposedly does?
[14:14] <mgedmin> oh, right, /sbin/route is not installed by default in modern ubuntus
[14:14] <wonko> ip2 or gtfo. :)
[14:14] <mgedmin> ss doesn't have a flag to show the program name :'(
[14:14] <wonko> or whatever that nonsense is called
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> I thought script to run when network was brought online should go in /etc/network/if-up.d ??
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> wonko: I thought script to run when network was brought online should go in /etc/network/if-up.d ??
[14:16] <wonko> pragmaticenigma: is that true if networkd is the renderer and not NetworkManager?
[14:16] <mgedmin> I think NetworkManager runs scripts from /etc/network/if-up.d, but I don't think systemd-networkd does
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> wonko: networkd is the base for both NetPlan and NetworkManager.
[14:17] <wonko> you can have netplan use NetworkManager as the renderer though (but I'm not)
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> I know that wpasupplicant lives in that folder, which is needed for various network configurations one state changes
[14:18] <tomreyn> server defaults to systemd-networkd, desktop to networkmanager as a network instrumentation (and netplan renderer). and i think netplan is not installed on desktops by default.
[14:18] <pragmaticenigma> s/one/on/
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> wonko: are you using ubuntu server 19.04 for production or testing?
[14:22] <tomreyn> i'd assume that if you wanted to hook into the network-up systemd target (it may be called differently, have not checked), you'd write a unit which triggeres upon reaching it.
[14:25] <wonko> I'm using 19.04 desktop but I've got netplan managing my (not so simple) network for me
[14:26] <tomreyn> "network-online" is the proper target
[14:31] <phigan> greetings
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> welcome phigan
[14:32] <phigan> can someone tell me why a service would be logging twice in rsyslog? sh[PID]: log and service[PID]: log
[14:32] <phigan> specifically, dhcpd.
[14:33] <ra21vi> #postgres
[14:34] <mgedmin> phigan: maybe it thinks it's logging to syslog and printing to stdout?  but systemd forwards both syslog and stdout to the journal?
[14:35] <phigan> I thought about that.. not sure how to stop it, though
[14:46] <adac> On ubuntu 16.04 I get:
[14:46] <adac> https://pastebin.com/P2CvZFV6
[14:46] <adac> any ideas?
[14:48] <mgedmin> have you checked the system log for more information?  (journalctl)
[14:49] <wonko> tomreyn: put the unit file in /etc/systemd/network?
[14:49] <wonko> That seems like the correct place to me. :)
[14:52] <phigan> mgedmin: I tried to trick it by setting log-facility to local7, then in rsyslog.d/50-default I put local7.* /dev/null.. but no luck :)
[14:58] <phigan> and .. I can't figure out what is starting it with the -f flag, keeping it in the foreground.
[14:59] <mgedmin> phigan: pstree -aup might show you what process spawned it?
[15:00] <mgedmin> or does it do the double fork to become rooted under init?
[15:03] <adac> mgedmin, hmm there is nothing in there  (journalctl) actually that could explain  what was wrong
[15:03] <mgedmin> :(
[15:09] <phigan> straight from systemd, pstree says
[15:10] <phigan> ah, found it
[15:10] <adac> mgedmin, strange the very same behavior on an Ubuntu 18.04
[15:11] <adac> mgedmin, different server of mine
[15:14] <repr0bate> I all.  I was getting confused about the numerical version representations because I assumed 4.4 > 4.10
[15:15] <repr0bate> so then 4.15 is latest Ubuntu 16.04 available kernel
[15:15] <mgedmin> yeah, this is like section numbering in a book, not like a number with a decimal point
[15:15] <repr0bate> gotcha!
[15:15] <mgedmin> it used to be clearer when linux verisons had multiple dots (2.4.16 etc.)
[15:15] <repr0bate> thank you very much
[15:15] <JimBuntu> repr0bate, if it were 4.40, then it would be greater. Think of the minor version number as an int, not the entire major.minor as a float
[15:15] <uRock> journald is driving me up the wall with the constant jumping to 100%
[15:17] <markus_e92> hello, on my docking station (HP 120W Thunderbolt G2) the displayport isn't working. I'm using Kubuntu 18.04 with an HP ProBook 445R G6 (Ryzen 5 3500U). Does anyone know what could be the reason?
[15:19] <phigan> heh, if I take out -f it doesn't leave the daemon running. sigh.
[15:19] <phigan> plus it still logs with sh[pid] and dhcpd[pid]
[15:20] <adac> repr0bate, happened to me a lot in my early days  :)
[15:20] <wonko> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sHmZ5c83jY/
[15:20] <wonko> does that ExecStart line work the way I expect it to?
[15:21] <adac> mgedmin, hmm maybe the directory needs to exist first
[15:22] <mgedmin> wonko: you can have multiple ExecStart lines, but you can't have shell constructs like ; in a single ExecStart unless you do ExecStart=/bin/sh -c 'ip X; ip Y'
[15:25] <mgedmin> (multiple ExecStart lines are better than using the shell just for this)
[15:26] <wonko> ok, I wasn't sure if you could have multiples. It's been too long since I'm written unit files (thankfully!) :)
[15:27] <adac> yes that was it the directory must exist
[15:30] <mgedmin> I've been burned by accidentally having repeated directives when I tried to override a systemd unit
[15:30] <mgedmin> so I know really well that systemd supports multiple ExecStart directives and runs them one after another :)
[15:31] <wonko> I just need to figure out all the other bits to make it happy. Slowly getting there as systemctl complains about my awful unit file. :)
[15:34] <wonko> Ok, so can I get systemd to not care that the command has failed?
[15:34] <wonko> rather that one or the other of the commands
[15:35] <mgedmin> prefix it with a - I think?  there's a manual page that documents all this somewhere, man systemd.unit?
[15:36] <mgedmin> yeah, a - and the docs are in the systemd.service man page
[15:44] <wonko> mgedmin: perfect, thanks!
[15:44] <wonko> now we wait for reboot to see if it works. :)
[15:57] <Sven_vB> on xenial, "systemctl get-default" says "graphical.target". can I query whether systemd actually tried to start it this boot (yet)?
[15:57] <Sven_vB> nevermind, it's actually active even
[16:02] <phigan> well that's dumb :).. I had to add "> /dev/null 2>&1" to the exec line in isc-dhcp-server.service
[16:03] <phigan> but I guess it works.
[16:27] <Nyle> Hello. I am getting  : Temporary failure in name resolution for google.com or any domain, I enabled dnsmasq and disabled systemd-resolvd
[16:27] <Nyle> I'm trying to use dbab (adblock) plus dnsmasq
[16:27] <Nyle> but now I can't open the instructions cuz browser won't resolve anything
[16:27] <Nyle> So I'm kind of stuck.
[16:29] <Nyle> I reverted all the changes back and now I can get it, but I tried it again and same result
[16:29] <Sven_vB> Nyle, most ISPs provide a default proxy. their hotline should be able to tell you its host (might be handy later), IP and port. then you set the IP and port in your browser as proxy and you can surf even w/o DNS.
[16:29] <Nyle> not isp related
[16:29] <Nyle> I've ruled that one
[16:29] <Nyle> out
[16:29] <Sven_vB> Nyle, yeah, well, any static IP proxy will allow you to read the web while you experiment with DNS.
[16:30] <Nyle> sure. You have one?
[16:30] <Nyle> ISP's in USA don't really provide such proxies for people to use
[16:30] <Sven_vB> yes, but you won't get access to that. :P that's why I suggested you use the default one from your ISP.
[16:30] <nikolam> Hi, I have a problem with Webcam not working, it is an ols USB pac7311 (0093a:2608) that used to work in previous ubuntu releases (even with vertical Flip of the picture)
[16:30] <phigan> can't you add like server=<IP_ADDRESS> to dnsmasq.conf?
[16:30] <Sven_vB> oh
[16:30] <Sven_vB> well in that case, you can use TOR.
[16:31] <Nyle> O_o
[16:31] <Nyle> focus, guys.
[16:31] <Nyle> conflicts between systemd and dnsmasq
[16:31] <Nyle> and how to resolve those.
[16:31] <Nyle> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/304050/how-to-avoid-conflicts-between-dnsmasq-and-systemd-resolved
[16:31] <Nyle> found this
[16:31] <nikolam> I don't see device in Cheese and v4l2ucp can't start preview windows ether. It is black in Skype, but recognized with device
[16:31] <Nyle> I recently installed dnsmasq to act as DNS Server for my local network. dnsmasq listens on port 53 which is already in use by the local DNS stub listener from systemd-resolved.
[16:31] <nikolam> I wonder if it is about kernel module or something else.
[16:31] <Nyle> However, the trouble is that if I disable systemd-resolved, and then install dnsmasq, I get no resolution.
[16:32] <ioria> Nyle, and have you removed dnsmasq ?
[16:32] <Nyle> no, I want dnsmasq
[16:32] <Nyle> that's my end goal
[16:32] <Sven_vB> Nyle, so your apt install fails because at the time you try it you don't have DNS?
[16:32] <Nyle> it does not fail, it installs the packages. The post inst scripts in the package fail as port 53 is in use, so dnsmasq can't start
[16:32] <Nyle> port 53 is in use by systemd-resolved
[16:32] <phigan> what's your resolv.conf say when you have disabled systemd-resolved?
[16:33] <Sven_vB> try reboot after you disable the stub resolver
[16:33] <Nyle> default. never modified.
[16:33] <phigan> pointing to dnsmasq/localhost?
[16:33] <Nyle> yes
[16:33] <Nyle> afaik
[16:33] <phigan> def need to check :)
[16:33] <Nyle> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>'
[16:33] <Sven_vB> so is "port 53 is in use" your current problem?
[16:34] <Nyle> yes
[16:34] <iffraff> Hi, I'm trying to add a new secureboot-policy key.  when I run the command then look at the folder it says that the .der .priv  were created two days ago.  so I don't believe it was successful
[16:34] <ioria> Nyle,  check  ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[16:34] <Nyle> however, if I disable systemdresolved, and port53 is now open/available, then I install dnsmasq, and it starts, but I don't get name resolution
[16:34] <Nyle> ioria: why
[16:34] <Nyle> I know th efile exists and I just pasted you the contents.
[16:34] <Sven_vB> Nyle, at least you have dnsmasq running then, so you're a step further.
[16:35] <Nyle> yes, I already said that :)
[16:35] <phigan> name resolution depends on resolv.conf, and if that's being modified as you add/remove packages, that may be the issue.
[16:35] <Sven_vB> ok so what's the next problem?
[16:35] <Nyle> phigan: good point.
[16:35] <Nyle> I can test that next
[16:35] <Nyle> hang on
[16:36] <ioria> Nyle, the point it's not the content but the link it's pointing to
[16:36] <Nyle> resolv.conf is unmodified even after isntalling dnsmasq
[16:37] <Nyle> someone mention stub listener option earlier
[16:37] <Nyle> I'll give that ag o
[16:37] <ioria> Nyle, ok, again, can you post ls -l /etc/resolv.conf ?
[16:37] <phigan> i'd try just having 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>'
[16:40] <um1b0zu> Hi all. How do I set up my VPN to route all traffic to it in 19.04? I feel like I should be able to do this in the IPv4 tab in the network manager UI in settings, but I'm not sure what to put in there.
[16:41] <sla3k> Hi, I have a strange IP config here on one of the VM running Ubuntu 16.04 server https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NPJcfkyWfH/ There are two IP addresses assigned to one interface, I'd life to remove the first one (192...) and keep second one (10.23...); Any idea how would I do that?
[16:42] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, I'd try setting the default gateway to the VPN's gateway. (and make a custom route to the dial-in server if required.)
[16:42] <um1b0zu> Sven_vB yeah is there a way to do it in the UI? I'm asking because I don't want to have to command line set this up every time I connect
[16:43] <um1b0zu> There should be a way to do this without needing to dig into ifconfig and muck up my route table there.
[16:43] <phigan> sla3k: ifconfig <interface> inet del <ip>
[16:44] <sla3k> phigan, thanks. It will not delete the second one as well right?
[16:44] <phigan> shouldn't. also ip addr del <ip> dev <interface> :)
[16:45] <sla3k> hmm, ran the first command it reports no errors, but the IP is still there...
[16:46] <phigan> you ran as root?
[16:46] <sla3k> yes
[16:46] <phigan> or with sudo
[16:46] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, usually command line commands are easier to automate than UI settings. :) maybe ifupdown already knows when you connect.
[16:46] <phigan> weird. try ip command
[16:46] <sla3k> as root.
[16:46] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, also CLI is easier to debug via SSH. ;)
[16:47] <sla3k> phigan ip addr del <IP_ADDRESS> dev ens3 did it :)
[16:47] <phigan> excellent
[16:48] <sla3k> but it warns about prefix length which makes total sense, note to self: whenever doing this, prefix with /32 to delete specific IP address and not the whole range
[16:48] <sla3k> Thanks phigan
[16:52] <ericus> hi
[16:53] <ericus> building a fresh PC, should I install Ubuntu as UEFI or legacy?
[16:53] <ericus> dual boot with Win10
[16:54] <phigan> that depends on your PC
[16:54] <phigan> whichever it is set to currently boot/support
[16:54] <ericus> I should install Windows first right?
[16:55] <ericus> on a single drive that is
[16:55] <phigan> not necessarily. your preference on bootloader should dictate which you install first
[16:55] <phigan> if you want grub, install windows first. If you want Windows loader, install Ubuntu first
[16:55] <ericus> I like grub
[16:56] <ericus> isnt win gonna mess with MBR?
[16:56] <phigan> they both will, so the one you want to keep is the one you install last
[16:57] <ericus> does windows even give me a boot menu?
[16:57] <ericus> I only use win for gaming
[16:57] <phigan> when there is more than one choice, yes, or if you specify it to
[16:57] <phigan> usually it is set to autoboot if only one choice
[16:57] <ericus> then I'l go with GRUB
[16:57] <ericus> I'lll*
[16:57] <ericus> ...
[17:02] <ericus> does proprietary drivers requrire uefi?
[17:08] <um1b0zu> Sven_vB what's ifupdown
[17:08] <um1b0zu> I think my issue is I'm not really sure how networking actually works on ubuntu
[17:09] <um1b0zu> I'm open to learning though
[17:09] <um1b0zu> I'd love to actually use the VPN I've paid for :-)
[17:10] <um1b0zu> I just find it weird that the route table in the UI doesn't work as a setting to route all traffic
[17:10] <phigan> what VPN is that?
[17:10] <um1b0zu> I'm using vyprvpn
[17:10] <phigan> did you check their website?
[17:11] <phigan> using pptp or openvpn?
[17:12] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, it's a mechanism to triggering scripts when network interfaces go up or down. see /etc/network/if-*.d/
[17:12] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, systemd can probably do it even fanicer
[17:13] <humpled> what is the actual problem here?
[17:18] <sla3k> Hello again, am sorry am not much of a routing guy but recently I changed the internal subnet of my network and one of the server still have old routes set. how can I change the old routes to the new one https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/76NF4c6NsP/
[17:23] <um1b0zu> Sven_vB true
[17:23] <um1b0zu> so question, you mentioned "setting the default gateway to the vpn gateway". I don't know how to do that, and I don't know what that means anyways. Got any good tutorials or videos on how gateways work?
[18:02] <amincd> usbguy1, on my desktop
[18:07] <Sven_vB> um1b0zu, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Default_gateway , "ip route help", "man ip"
[18:21] <platz> trying to undo an apt pickle. https://pastebin.com/raw/M7wnvd7f
[18:22] <platz> if i try to 'apt --fix-broken install' it wants to uninstall everything
[18:22] <platz> such as network-manager
[18:22] <deego> try dist-upgrade?
[18:22] <deego> or try apt install libgnutls30
[18:22] <platz> libgnutls30 is already the newest version (3.6.5-2ubuntu1.1).
[18:23] <deego> Mixed distributions/backports/sources?  another way is to just purge these offending packages for now and try again
[18:23] <deego> i don't recall but aptitude works sometimes, and tries to find a path forward instead of uninstalling everything
[18:23] <platz> i  install a different gnutls package before, but that appers to have been a no-no
[18:24] <deego> apt-show-versions  | grep -i "unavailable" and purge such weird pkges for now ?
[18:25] <deego> ofc, before that, make sure your sources.list and sources.list.d don't contain all kinds of sources. and then apt update
[18:25] <deego> You can also use dpkg etc to overrule apt, but that's a more drastic step..
[18:27] <platz> is there a way i can find out what libs i *should* have on my system
[18:27] <platz> instead of the ones i messed up
[18:28] <platz> by default on 19.04
[18:37] <deego> aptitude --full-resolver dist-upgrade might also help
[18:37] <platz> ok i fixed it, i went to https://packages.ubuntu.com/disco/amd64/libcurl3-gnutls/download and just installed that via dpkg
[18:38] <platz> it appears i had a wierd libcurl3-gnutls
[18:38] <deego> ++
[18:39] <deego> now try apt upgrade again and make sure your apt doesn't want to overwrite what you just did (because you may have a strange source somewhere)
[18:40] <platz> i couldn't get it via apt for some reason and apt policy libcurl3-gnutls didn't show anything weird oddly even though i had a different pkg
[18:40] <platz> yeah my sources are ok
[19:15] <seven-eleven> hi
[19:17] <seven-eleven> how can I read all system mails (crontab, anacron etc) from one host? so each host in the LAN sends its mails to one host where I can read it centrally
[19:22]  * gaunledream
[19:22]  * gaunledream action
[19:33] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: mail is usually read oin a mail user agent, which doesnt have to be (and most often is not) identical to the mail storage server. usually, you'd configure all root aliases to point to the same ip address, such as<EMAIL_ADDRESS>on every server{001..100}.mydomain.tld, and set up the MX for mydomain.tld as mailstorage.mydomain.tld. and then you'd configure your e-mail client to fetch mail (using IMAP or POP3) from
[19:33] <tomreyn> mailstorage.mydomain.tld. but you could also skip imap / pop3 setup and just read mail using a CLI mail client on mailstorage.mydomain.tld.
[19:42] <B|ack0p> hi
[19:42] <B|ack0p> sound  on my old laptop is parasited while watching videos
[19:42] <B|ack0p> any advice to fix it?
[19:42] <B|ack0p> running Ubuntu 18.04 with gnome classic desktop
[19:42] <B|ack0p> 64bit
[19:43] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, what do you mean by "parasited"?
[19:43] <B|ack0p> sound is not clear
[19:45] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, what kind of video player? VLC? Youtube?
[19:45] <B|ack0p> Netflix
[19:46] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, ok, and can you reproduce it with any other video player?
[19:47] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: it is same on every videos on Netflix, Youtube..
[19:47] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, ok. What CPU and GPU do you have?
[19:47] <B|ack0p> T7200 cpu with ATI mobility radeon x1300
[19:48] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, yeah, initially I didn't want imap/pop3, i just wanted to read all mail from one host cli
[19:48] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, should my aliases on a host look like this? https://bpaste.net/show/99kb
[19:49] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, phserver02.ffm01.lan is supposed to be my mailstorage.mydomain.tld
[19:50] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, and what drivers are you using for the x1300?
[19:50] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, this is /etc/postfix/main.cf on the mailstorage.mydomain.tld: https://bpaste.net/show/7Y_5
[19:51] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: stock driver came with ubuntu
[19:51] <B|ack0p> i didnt install specific driver
[19:51] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, and if you run 'ubuntu-drivers list', does it recommend any?
[19:54] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: unfortunately ubuntu-drivers list returned with nothing
[19:54] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, have you played videos without problems on this hardware before? it is quite slow...
[19:55] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: yes i did
[19:55] <B|ack0p> it is quite nice playing videos normally
[19:55] <B|ack0p> with ssd it is more than expected
[19:55] <B|ack0p> currently i dont have ssd on it but i will in couple of days
[19:55] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, if you download a video and play it with VLC, does that run fine?
[19:56] <B|ack0p> let me play 1080p video :p
[19:58] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: it plays without any lag but sound is not clear still
[20:03] <cpare> Help - After a clean reinstall of 19..04 I am now getting lots of I/O errors in my logs
[20:04] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, what is your CPU load like when it is playing?
[20:04] <lordcirth> !paste | cpare please paste some examples
[20:05] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: between %45-65
[20:06] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, Of 1 core or both?
[20:07] <cpare> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xFjTPpJ7x9/
[20:07] <cpare> @lordcirth - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xFjTPpJ7x9/
[20:08] <lordcirth> cpare, is /dev/sr2 your optical drive?
[20:08] <lordcirth> Is there a disk in it?
[20:09] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: https://postimg.cc/gallery/1vw1ju1ru/
[20:09] <cpare> @lordcirth - One of three I would like to use in the build, if does have a disc in it.
[20:10] <cpare> /dev/sr0, /dev/sr1, /dev/sr2
[20:12] <cpare> @lordcirth - I have a 6 port SATA on  the MOBO, another 6 port SATA card, and an eSATA card - I may be a data horder :)
[20:13] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, try editing  /etc/pulse/default.pa. Find "load-module module-udev-detect" and append "tsched=0". Then "pulseaudio -k" and try your video again.
[20:18] <iffraff> hi, I'm having trouble signing kernal modules for virtualbox. I've followed some postes and they seem successfull but vobx still says I need to sign
[20:22] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: there is no tsched=0 in there
[20:24] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: this is /etc/pulse/default.pa >>>> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sbQXzKQmct/
[20:25] <acidbear> hey all, I've got a corrupted NTFS partition and I was wondering what is a way to search the entire partition for a specific UTF-8 string
[20:26] <cpare> @lordcirth - this is a gigabyte 970A-DS3P motherboard - here are the logs while attempting to use all 3 drives - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xh2j4Hmfjs/
[20:31] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, finally got it working, my client main.cf had a misconfiguration, it used smtp.<my-fqdn>, althought it's just <my-fqdn>
[20:33] <pnwise> Why ufw it does not block ip, I put it as rule number 1
[20:33] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, yes, you are supposed to add it. Line 52 of your paste, append  "tsched=0"
[20:33] <pnwise> To                         Action      From
[20:33] <pnwise> --                         ------      ----
[20:33] <pnwise> Anywhere                   DENY        <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:33] <lordcirth> cpare, perhaps a bad cable? bad drives? Have you used them recently?
[20:35] <tomreyn> seven-eleven: glad you worked it out. i was gone for a meal, just returned. if you should have more questions regarding this: this is more likely a topic for #ubuntu-server or your preferred mail server support channel (i didn't think of pointing this out when i replied initially).
[20:35] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: should be the line look like this? load-module module-udev-detect append "tsched=0"
[20:35] <tomreyn> !paste | pnwise
[20:35] <B|ack0p> < load-module module-udev-detect append "tsched=0" >
[20:35] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, without the quotes.
[20:35] <seven-eleven> tomreyn, thanks, I'll join there :-)
[20:35] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, and no literal "append" on the line.
[20:36] <lordcirth> B|ack0p,  load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0
[20:36] <B|ack0p> thanks
[20:36] <pnwise> Sooo you posted 8 lines to put me in place for my 3?
[20:36] <pnwise> I usually do that if it is long stuff
[20:36] <pnwise> but figured 3 lines is not such a big deal
[20:37] <pnwise> I did not post 200 lines config file
[20:38] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: no difference :/
[20:38] <cpare> @lordcirth - Two of them were working fine before the reinstall, I have since changed cables and SATA ports without any success
[20:39] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, you did "pulseaudio -k"?
[20:39] <tatertots> cpare: does this only occur when you "rip discs"?
[20:39] <B|ack0p> lordcirth: on netflix no sound
[20:39] <B|ack0p> but local video has sound but still same issue
[20:40] <cpare> @tatertots - it's my best way to check for errors as it's the heavy activity - the CD worked fine for the install
[20:40] <B|ack0p> yes i did pulseaudio -k on terminal
[20:40] <cpare> @tatertots - technically DVD
[20:40] <lordcirth> B|ack0p, you might have to restart netflix to get sound to work after -k. Well, I'm out of ideas, sorry.
[20:40] <B|ack0p> lordcirth:  i did closed browser and opened again
[20:42] <tatertots> cpare: literally, technically you only have made this observation while "ripping DVD"?
[20:42] <B|ack0p> in sound settings it doesnt show audio device
[20:43] <doug16k> pulseaudio kill leaves it killed
[20:43] <doug16k> -k isn't restart
[20:43] <B|ack0p> hmm
[20:44] <B|ack0p> doug16k: what should i do?
[20:44] <B|ack0p> but it plays local videos with sound
[20:44] <doug16k> run `pulseaudio --start` now
[20:44] <tomreyn> pnwise: i used one line, the bot then used another line. it is possible to place multiple statements and even sentences in one line if you make use of so-called dots ("."). your irc clieent must be wrapping those long lines, though, if it showed it as 8.
[20:44] <B|ack0p> just online videos have no sound
[20:44] <doug16k> might have to close browser altogether (all browser windows), then start it again
[20:44] <cpare> @tatertots, no, it's in the logs at boot and while while ripping discs - I can do a clean binary copy from any drive if you feel it has merit.
[20:45] <B|ack0p> doug16k: ~$ pulseaudio --start
[20:45] <B|ack0p> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: Daemon startup failed.
[20:47] <doug16k> B|ack0p, strange, just tested `pulseaudio -k` then `pulseaudio --start` on my system, worked as expected.
[20:47] <acidbear> how would you go about reading /dev/sda1 with vim?
[20:47] <B|ack0p> doug16k: what do you advise?
[20:48] <b247_eu> Hi there, I just published a blog article on how am I using restic to backup my Pop!_OS (Ubuntu) daily driver, you can check it here: https://www.b247.eu.org/2019/09/restic-incron-inotify-continuous-backup-folder-change.html
[20:48] <tomreyn> !ot | b247_eu
[20:48] <doug16k> also, did kill while youtube video playing. it stopped playing saying "audio renderer error". then --start'ed pulseaudio, reloaded that page, boom, worked
[20:49] <B|ack0p> ...
[20:49] <doug16k> I wish it failed for me too :D
[20:49] <B|ack0p> why?
[20:49] <cpare> @tatertots - I was able to copy  the contents of my install CD now with no new errors
[20:50] <doug16k> then I would be reproducing your issue if I understand it correctly
[20:52] <cpare> @tatertots - as soon as I drop a DVD in and try to copy the physical file I get errors - x-special/nautilus-clipboard
[20:52] <cpare> copy
[20:52] <cpare> file:///media/cpare/DEXTER_S1_D2/AUDIO_TS
[20:52] <cpare> file:///media/cpare/DEXTER_S1_D2/VIDEO_TS
[20:52] <B|ack0p> ok
[20:52] <B|ack0p> doug16k: lordcirth:  after i delete line tsched=0 from load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0
[20:52] <B|ack0p> it works now
[20:53] <tomreyn> acidbear: trolling is off-topic on #ubuntu
[20:53] <cpare> print_req_error: I/O error, dev sr1, sector 1572 flags 80700
[20:54] <tomreyn> cpare: this is probably a DVD with some kind of copy protection?
[20:54] <doug16k> I would diff it with my config if it didn't insist on login to wget https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sbQXzKQmct/plain/
[20:54] <cpare> @tomreyn, with that disk I dropped in, yes
[20:55] <doug16k> shame on you paste.ubuntu.com
[20:55] <tomreyn> cpare: does it happen with standard data DVDs?
[20:55] <i^migunov> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Майкрософт Windows 10 Pro (x64) • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700U with Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx   (2,20GHz) • Memory: 15,7 ��� Total (7,0 ��� Free) • Storage: 264,5 ��� / 535,8 ��� (271,3 ��� Free) • VGA: AMD Radeon(TM) RX Vega 10 Graphics • Uptime: 5h 1m 26s
[20:55] <tomreyn> !ot | i^migunov
[20:55] <cpare> @tomreyn - I was able to do a data disk without any trouble,
[20:57] <tomreyn> cpare: so that seems to reduce the issue to "how do i backup / pirate copy protected DVDs?"
[20:57] <acidbear> tomreyn: I am not trolling, I am desperate
[20:58] <doug16k> cpare, being unable to rip copyrighted dvds is by design, you need a program that hacks the protection
[20:58] <cpare> @tomreyn - I woudl call it an I/O error while making a legal backup of my collection.
[20:58] <doug16k> I don't condone it
[20:58] <tomreyn> acidbear: what's the issue you're trying to solve there, and why did you choose this approach?
[20:58] <cpare> @doug16k - I have been using makemkv without issue for years, this only popped up after the reinstall
[20:58] <acidbear> I know this sounds ridiculous but photorec is taking *ages* to find my documents, so I figured I'd do a manual search through the hard disk while it's running
[20:59] <acidbear> the estimated time of completion is about 17k hours
[20:59] <acidbear> I /did/ manage to look at some of the binary contents though cat /dev/sda1 | less, but it gives up whenever there is an IO error
[20:59] <tomreyn> acidbear: is the storage physically decaying?
[20:59] <acidbear> I believe so
[21:00] <tomreyn> acidbear: then you should have used ddrescue to create an image, and work on that.
[21:00] <doug16k> B|ack0p, ah! I have removed tsched=0 too. I did it to fix massive glitching/popping in skype
[21:00] <tomreyn> the more workloads you throw on this decaying storage, the less likely you'll save any data
[21:01] <acidbear> Thanks
[21:02] <tomreyn> !dvd | cpare
[21:27] <evilaliv3z> hello!
[21:28] <evilaliv3z> is there an easy way to know the GCC compilation flag used in ubuntu to compile a specific package?
[21:28] <evilaliv3z> i'm trying to identify why python3 seems to not be compiled with -fpie and is so not protected by ASLR
[21:35] <hggdh> evilaliv3z: yes, from the source package -- apt source <package>
[21:40] <evilaliv3z> thanks hggdh
[22:08] <iffraff> Hi, I think I have a problem where my ubuntu 18.04 has a couple different display drivers and it chooses kind of randomly at bootup.  so some of the time I end up in a login loop, and sometimes it logis in ok.
[22:23] <tomreyn> iffraff: can you say how often you rebooted since it last failed?
[22:27] <tomreyn> iffraff: journalctl --list-boots | tail    may help there. 0 is the current session, -1 is from before the latest reboot etc. when you know the number (from the beginning of the line), run      journalctl -b NUMBER | nc termbin.com 9999      (replacing "NUMBER" by the (negative) number from that boot) to share your log.
[22:27] <iffraff> re how often, well, it fails ~ 50% of the tiem and I've done it >10x today
[22:29] <tomreyn> great, that's not what i asked, but it means it is easy to reproduce, and then you can post the log.
[22:30] <iffraff> so there actually were 10  here is the log from 9
[22:30] <iffraff> https://termbin.com/zs23
[22:30] <iffraff> please let me know if you need more/others
[22:31] <iffraff> I can give you some background on the display driver situation if you like
[22:31] <tomreyn> sure, why not
[22:32] <iffraff> so it's a laptop with onboard intel gpu, descrete nvidia gpu and an external amd gpu
[22:32] <iffraff> it's teh amd egu which I use to drive my external monitors.
[22:32] <iffraff> I guess one of the others dirve the laptop screen when not connected.
[22:32] <iffraff> when using the external monitors,  I have the laptop display disabled
[22:33] <fuze> Is there a linux application to make IFTTT home automation buttons?
[22:35] <tomreyn> iffraff: do you have a preference on what should run the laptop screen?
[22:35] <iffraff> nope
[22:35] <tomreyn> did you notice the various acpi errors, yet?
[22:36] <iffraff> well, sort of
[22:37] <iffraff> I mean I don't really understand what they mean
[22:38] <tomreyn> me neither. but bios updates can sometimes help there, have you looked for the latest, yet?
[22:38] <iffraff> yes I tried. it's an hp laptop I couldn't find anything on firmware
[22:39] <tomreyn> how you do mean "couldn't find anything on firmware"?
[22:39] <iffraff> I mean ... I searched for firmware updates form my model?  I didn't find anything?
[22:42] <tomreyn> i see. let me give that a try as well
[22:43] <tomreyn> how about https://support.hp.com/gb-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-spectre-15-df0000-x360-convertible-pc/23238160/swItemId/ob-233741-1
[22:43] <iffraff> so what I got was .https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-spectre-15-df0000-x360-convertible-pc/23238160/model/24514904
[22:43] <iffraff> clicking your link now
[22:44] <iffraff> wtf
[22:44] <iffraff> ug,
[22:44] <iffraff> so the problem is it's an exe.  I don't know how to install that
[22:44] <tomreyn> you probably didn't select "windows" as OS
[22:45] <tomreyn> you probably didn't select "windows" as OS when at https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-spectre-15-df0000-x360-convertible-pc/23238160/model/24514904
[22:46] <tomreyn> if you don't they auto-detect your OS based on the web browser user agent string. which says linux, which is not supported on this system by HP, which means you get an empty list.
[22:47] <iffraff> ah, that makes sense.  but how can I install the update if its windows specific?
[22:50] <tomreyn> iffraff: using windows. maybe HP offers another way, you'd need to check with support.
[22:50] <iffraff> Chances are, your Linux computer already has the software it needs, as all major Linux distributions regularly integrate HP Linux Imaging and Printing (HPLIP) into their software releases. To get the latest release of HPLIP, visit the HPLIP website.
[22:50] <iffraff> not sure if I believe that
[22:57] <gimmel> Hi all, can anyone recommend any tools for trying to extract data from a USB HDD that is giving input/output errors on certain directories? Honestly, I don't care about the data, I just want to use the situation for developing recovery skills.
[22:57] <gimmel> ^^ FAT32
[22:59] <tomreyn> gimmel: see dmesg, get an idea of whether the storage could be physically defective. if so, use smartctl to try and confirm this and use ddrescue to create an image of it which you can later use to recover as much data as could possibly be read out of it.
[23:00] <tomreyn> if it doesn't look like a physical issue but just a logical one (file system), run dosfsck against it.
[23:01] <tomreyn> ... while it's not mounted
[23:03] <gimmel> tomreyn: thanks! Looking into those processes now.
[23:05] <gimmel> tomreyn: here's the last couple of blocks from dmesg -> https://pastebin.com/etLY1ZPD
[23:06] <gimmel> is "medium error" referring to a medium-level (as opposed to low) or medium as in storage medium?
[23:06] <tomreyn> gimmel: storage
[23:06] <gimmel> tomreyn: so, implying phyiscal issue?
[23:06] <tomreyn> yes
[23:15] <gimmel> Why would smartmontools require postfix?
[23:16] <tomreyn> it doesn't, it recommends it. this would be useful of you wanted smartmontools to notify you (by email) when yours disks decay.
[23:30] <MannyLNJ> I need some help please. I am trying to do a dual-boot system. Windows 10 on one drive and Ubuntu on the other. /dev/sda has Ubuntu and /dev/sdb has Windows. Can someone please assist me., Right now it will only boot into Ubuntu
[23:32] <mouses> MannyLNJ: Super easy low effort solution - boot from a Ubuntu USB into a live session.  Install boot-repair.  Run it.  Push button.  Get bacon.
[23:32] <mouses> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[23:32] <mouses> you want option 2, most likely
[23:33] <MannyLNJ> mouses, I tried booting into my running Ubuntu and running Boot-Repair but it did not work. Do I need to use the Live CD?
[23:33] <mouses> yes you have to do it from a live boot, not the running OS
[23:33] <mouses> can't modify a already mounted filesystem like that
[23:33] <MannyLNJ> mouses, Thank you. I will try that.
[23:34] <mouses> MannyLNJ: Good luck!  99% of the time it works 100% of the time :)
[23:35] <tomreyn> iffraff: i should be able to create a dd image of a usb storage containing the bios upgrade which you can then trigger from your existing uefi configuration screens. ping me in #ubuntu-offtopic if interested.
[23:37] <iffraff> great!
[23:40] <iffraff> one other thing is that I generally can not power off.  I hit escape and I see the out put then it dissapears then it sort of cycles slowly turning the screen on then off
[23:46] <MannyLNJ> mouses, this must be the 1% because it did not work.
[23:47] <mouses> MannyLNJ: Odd.  Wish I could help more, but I have not done dual booting in over a decade really :(
[23:48] <MannyLNJ> I think boot-repair did not work because my install is not standard.  /dev/sda has my Ubuntu Install and the Windows System Reserved Partiton and /dev/sdb has my Windows partition


[11:58] <jam> howdy all, I hope everyone is still recovering from the sprint, and not doing something silly like sitting in IRC :)


[01:51] <mhall119> jono: you're bringint you Bq to SCaLE too, right?
[01:51]  * mhall119 wants to see it
[08:11] <dpm> morning everyone
[08:12] <dpm> hey morgen dholbach
[08:12] <dholbach> good morning
[08:12] <dholbach> hi dpm
[08:14] <elfy> morning
[09:55] <dholbach> the stuff people come up with on the internet... celebrities that look like mattresses: http://www.sadanduseless.com/2012/03/nothing-really-matress/
[14:52] <dholbach> finding of the day: Hackney Colliery Band - they're brilliant
[14:52] <dholbach> dpm, ^ I could imagine that you like them too :)
[15:09] <dpm> dholbach, ah , nice, let me have a look
[15:09] <dpm> dholbach, I saw the other day Element of Crime are coming to Stuttgart
[15:09] <dholbach> ah nice
[17:32] <jono> dpm, free now?
[17:32] <dpm> jono, yeah!
[17:42] <dholbach> all rightie... have a great rest of your day!
[18:01] <dpm> ok, calling it a day here too, see you all tomorrow!
[20:06] <jose> hey mhall119, mind a quick PM?
[20:12] <popey> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10059319/ see line 1793 - reason why I am not as confident as you with all Intel machines :)
[20:15] <popey> bug 1384342
[20:46] <ahayzen> popey, i've had loads of problems with 3.16 on intel hardware, it would just hardlock or freeze for like 30s ... try jumping to 3.19 :)
[20:47] <popey> that bug suggested linux-headers-3.18.4-031804-generic_3.18.4-031804.201501271243_amd64.deb
[20:47] <popey> which I am about to reboot into once I send a dekko mail
[20:47] <ahayzen> yeah 3.18+ is fine i've found
[20:47] <ahayzen> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1399010
[20:47] <popey> thanks!
[20:47] <ahayzen> were my findings lol
[20:48] <ahayzen> popey, just take the latest one from here :) http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[20:48] <popey> thats where I got it :)
[20:49]  * ahayzen loves the near instant suspend/resume of the newer kernel :)
[20:57] <popey> oooh really?
[20:57]  * popey reboots
[20:57] <ahayzen> was 3.18 or 3.19 it was added?...i can't remember...
[21:00] <popey> hmm, that does come back quick
[21:00] <ahayzen> mine resumes quicker than i can lift the lid of the laptop lol
[21:00] <popey> although my screen takes a freaking age to wake up, so that gain is lost
[21:00] <popey> hah
[21:02] <mhall119> jose: you can PM me any time
[21:02] <mhall119> no need to ask
[21:02] <jose> thanks :)
[21:03] <mhall119> popey: ah, the infamous i915
[21:03] <popey> indeed :(
[23:34] <cprofitt> ping jono
[23:34] <cprofitt> ping mhall119
[23:35] <jono> hey cprofitt
[23:35] <cprofitt> hey jono... a UDS in the past we had an android app that showed the schedule
[23:35] <cprofitt> do you recall what it was?
[23:36] <cprofitt> helping to organize a conference and looking for something like that.
[23:36] <pleia2> guidebook?
[23:36] <jono> cprofitt, guidebook I think
[23:36] <cprofitt> pleia2: that might have been it.
[23:38] <cprofitt> yeah, that was it
[23:38] <cprofitt> thanks pleia2 and jono
[23:38] <pleia2> cprofitt: I recommend just making your regular schedule site mobile friendly
[23:38] <pleia2> I hate downloading apps for conferences, and most of them are awful
[23:38] <jono> np
[23:38] <cprofitt> pleia2: the issue is when we have schedule changes
[23:38] <jono> pleia2, agreed
[23:39] <pleia2> cprofitt: then update the website :)
[23:39] <cprofitt> we want to have some app that would handle sending an update
[23:39] <pleia2> ah
[23:39] <cprofitt> doesn't happen often, but some times speakers fail to show (plane delays), etc
[23:40] <cprofitt> I dislike the apps too, but not sure if that functionality works
[23:40] <pleia2> I'm not convinced it happens enough to require an app
[23:40] <cprofitt> I agree. The organization comm. asked and I said I thought there was an app.
[23:40] <cprofitt> I hope they choose to not do it, but I understand the desire
[23:41] <pleia2> I don't download conference apps anymore
[23:41] <cprofitt> :-)
[23:41] <cprofitt> sounds like that beer commercial... I don't often drink beer, but when I do...