[00:00] <Sven_vB> In xfce on focal, with keyboard layout XKBMODEL='pc105' XKBLAYOUT='de' XKBVARIANT='deadgraveacute' XKBOPTIONS='caps:none', how do I type "??" (broken pipe)? On trusty it used to be Shift+AltGr+"<". (aka shift + "|" because AltGr+"<" gives the normal pipe.)
[00:03] <Sven_vB> (variables from /etc/default/keyboard; in xfce4 settings manager > keyboard > layout > "use system defaults" is checked)
[00:04] <sarnold> Sven_vB: wikipedia suggests altgr+`, altgr+6, altgr+shift+\ and compose!^
[00:04] <sarnold> Sven_vB: does the deadgraveacute thing override the composekey?
[00:05] <sarnold> in urxvt you can type shift+control+(a,6) --> ¦
[00:05] <Sven_vB> sarnold, unfortunately I have no idea what a compose key is. if it helps, lots of other combinations for exotic symbols do work as I'm used to, and most of them are formed using AlrGr.
[00:05] <Sven_vB> I'll try that
[00:06] <Sven_vB> oh, I assume the () mean to use a compose key
[00:06] <sarnold> no
[00:06] <sarnold> it means hold down shift and control, then tap the a key, then tap the 6 key, then release shift and control
[00:06] <Sven_vB> thanks, I'll try that then.
[00:07] <sarnold> I don't know if there's a good way to write that or not :)
[00:07] <Sven_vB> should it work in gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal, too?
[00:08] <sarnold> dunno.. when you hit it in urxvt it pops up a dialog that says "iso 14755 mode" -- maybe the docs for gnome-terminal or xfce4-terminal would have something for that?
[00:09] <Sven_vB> I'll just install urxvt then
[00:11] <Sven_vB> yes, urxvt behaves as expected.
[00:12] <sarnold> I'm curious what you need the broken pipe for; I've never actually seen it used before
[00:12] <Sven_vB> I need an exotic string delimiter. :)
[00:12] <sarnold> aha! success :)
[00:14] <Sven_vB> well, as a stopgap I'll try and make a hotkey that launches xdotool to type it
[00:14] <Sven_vB> there has to be an actual fix though.
[00:14] <Sven_vB> I'll compare that xev sees
[00:15] <sarnold> stuff it into your PRIMARY select buffer and then just hit shift+insert when you need it?
[00:17] <Sven_vB> that would interfere with my other clipboard use. also muscle memory already knows the broken bar
[00:18] <Sven_vB> I'll check whether it's about XKBOPTIONS
[00:23] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: ctrl-shift-u + a + 6 + space
[00:24] <tomreyn> (it is unicode character 00A6)
[00:25] <tomreyn> so that's not explaining why compose (AltGr by default) + shift + | does not work, but at least ist's a workaround.
[00:25] <tomreyn> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/tips-specialchars.html.en#ctrlshiftu
[00:29] <johnfg> hi folks
[00:29] <johnfg> I'm running ubuntu desktop 20.04, all patches.
[00:30] <johnfg> Some things have changed with networking at the office.  I think that perhaps the gateway is incorrect.  I just have a wireless connection.  Where do I configure the gateway?
[00:30] <johnfg> Incorrect here, at the home office.
[00:43] <Sven_vB> results are in, it's not about XKBOPTIONS. http://paste.debian.net/plain/1192446
[00:52] <sarnold> hey, nice, a string to tug on :)
[01:13] <jake> oh wow
[01:13] <jake> Is this working? Do you see me?
[01:15] <sarnold> jake: yeah
[01:15] <jake> sarnold: thanks. irssi for the first time  :0
[01:37] <jake> eh?
[01:54] <jake_> yes
[01:58] <Sven_vB> is there a way to use the old keyboard layout files from a 32bit Ubuntu trusty (where the brokenbar key works) on a 64bit Ubuntu focal?
[02:03] <sarnold> Sven_vB: I think somethin glike this should do the trick: xkbcomp :0.0 /tmp/out  ; scp /tmp/out foo:/tmp; xkbcomp /tmp/out :0.0 -- there's probably a better way but this comes to mind :)
[02:04] <sarnold> Sven_vB: you can probably find the diff between the one that works and the one that fails and figure out how to make just that change to a more minimal config..
[02:05] <Sven_vB> the scp command confuses me
[02:05] <sarnold> just moving the file from machine to machine
[02:06] <Sven_vB> I see. I'll read man xkbcomp
[02:08] <Sven_vB> oh, I think I get it now. I could just copy from an SSH X11-forwarded display on trusty, to the local display on focal.
[02:08] <sarnold> maaaaybe
[02:09] <Sven_vB> yeah, on 2nd thought, I think I'll use files and compare them first.
[02:09] <Sven_vB> thanks :)
[02:10] <Sven_vB> is that fraction part actually ever used? my X display numbers in the last few years always happened to be integer.
[02:11] <sarnold> good question
[02:18] <Sven_vB> The diff is long, but the relevant part is probably this:
[02:18] <Sven_vB> -        symbols[Group1]= [            less,         greater,             bar,       brokenbar ]
[02:18] <Sven_vB> +        symbols[Group1]= [            less,         greater,             bar, dead_belowmacron ]
[02:19] <Sven_vB> so I patched just that in my file from focal, copied it back with "xkbcomp fixed.txt :0", now AltGr+Shift+"<" no longer triggers any key press event in xev.
[02:19] <Sven_vB> to clarify, I applied the reverse of the patch
[02:20] <sarnold> waaat
[02:21] <Sven_vB> also no other line in the trusty file mentions "brokenbar". I checked because I thought maybe I need to copy its definition.
[02:22] <Sven_vB> I'll try and put a normal letter key in there
[02:23] <Sven_vB> nope, with "minus" it also has no effect
[02:25] <Sven_vB> when I "xkbcomp :0 minus.txt", minus.txt differs a lot from fixed.txt
[02:25] <Sven_vB> I guess the input and output format of focal's xkbcomp aren't strictly compatible
[02:25] <kryten> xmodmap -e "keycode 94 = less greater less greater bar brokenbar bar brokenbar" -- is what made the broken bar work for me fwiw. \o/
[02:26] <Sven_vB> oh. just discovered that now my ">" key also has no effect
[02:27] <kryten> And yes, I'm also using a (slightly modified) German keyboard layout.
[02:28] <Sven_vB> that command had no effect for me. I guess I'll have to reboot the focal machine, then try it again.
[02:34] <Sven_vB> kryten, nice! now your command fixed it. thanks!
[02:35] <Sven_vB> I wonder though, why each pair is repeated?
[02:39] <kryten> Sven_vB: And short of finding a method that doesn't risk the changes being undone by any updates to the 'xkb-data' package (though these are rather seldom), I'd then still just adapt the file '/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/de' to how I want it.
[02:40] <Sven_vB> also "xmodmap -pke | grep brokenbar" only shows "keycode  94 = less greater less greater bar brokenbar bar", without the final "brokenbar". does yours keep it?
[02:41] <Sven_vB> I discovered I already have an xmodmap script in my autorun, to adjust multimedia keys. I'll just put brokenbar in there
[02:42] <kryten> Well, the output to the same command shows the second instance of "brokenbar" here too though.
[02:42] <kryten> Ah, very well then!
[02:42] <Sven_vB> odd
[02:42] <Sven_vB> well, good enough for now. :)
[02:45] <kryten> And without the second "brokenbar" it doesn't work here.
[03:08] <Sven_vB> kryten, unfortunately that xmodmap fix only lasts until the keyboard is unplugged. :(
[03:08] <Sven_vB> how do I set the defaults for newly connected keyboards?
[03:09] <Sven_vB> I use a mechanical KVM switch, so keyboard plugging happens a lot
[03:19] <bindi> hello, I'm using Ventoy to boot Ubuntu 20.04.2 desktop, looking to get in the live desktop environment. I see a purple splash screen (keyboard + some other logo on bottom) and then first few lines of syslog, resolution changes to something my monitor does not support (has worked before though on same system/monitor). It's unresponsive to ctrl+alt-F1-F8 to change to a TTY as well. only thing I can do is
[03:20] <bindi> ctrl+alt+del out of it
[03:20] <bindi> Older HP DL180 G6 with onboard VGA graphics, BIOS based. Should I try without Ventoy? I only really need to get to a CLI and run some ZFS commands, does Ubuntu Server offer this?
[03:20] <bindi> in an live environment that is
[03:22] <bindi> i dont get any boot menus for selecting advanced options etc
[03:24] <bindi> i think that's ventoy's fault actually
[04:11] <sergioad[m]_> Friends Adwaita is being used in both Flatpak and Snap, is there a way to use QogirBudgie?
[04:52] <latincanadian> hello , does anyone here had problems with keyboard layout? im having a hard time in here.
[05:03] <bindi> my plain 20.04 ubuntu stick is also giving me input not supported as soon as it boots up. how do i edit the boot options?
[05:05] <bindi> ok, pressing right shift apparently. there's a safe graphics option already
[07:11] <luna> morning
[07:37] <OERIAS> hi folks
[07:37] <OERIAS> I have a current problem when ubuntu 20.10 is corrupting my external hd drives.
[07:38] <OERIAS> anyway to fix this annoying issue
[07:38] <OERIAS> the drive is new
[07:38] <OERIAS> and this is the second replacement.
[07:48] <guiverc> OERIAS, are you safely ejecting them? ie. ensuring any buffers are written to disk before you unplug
[07:59] <cbreak> USB? Broken USB Adapter?
[07:59] <cbreak> Tried ZFS?
[09:44] <VMGuy23> Ubuntu tries to mount a UUID that doesn't exist, looks like the root, but it's correct in fstab... Now it's just BusyBox
[09:44] <VMGuy23> This happened after reinstall
[09:45] <VMGuy23> When reying to fix a disk change
[09:45] <VMGuy23> *trying
[09:45] <VMGuy23> It won't reinstall again because it finds no EFI partition
[09:46] <VMGuy23> ...when it did before
[09:46] <VMGuy23> Any help?
[09:47] <VMGuy23>  (I'm on Ubuntu install CD right now)
[10:00] <VMGuy23> Any help?
[10:12] <guiverc> VMGuy23, use `blkid` to get your UUIDs to check with the fstab
[10:12] <VMGuy23> I checked with Gnome Disks
[10:12] <B2055777_> Ola!
[10:13] <guiverc> what release won't reinstall b/c of no EFI?
[10:13] <VMGuy23> 20.10
[10:13] <erialdo> hello, does anybody know how do I go to a previous command in the current bash shell even though I just put a space before with HISTCONTROL=ignorespace.
[10:14] <VMGuy23> I have an EFI system with an EFI partition bit the installer lost sight of it, got to go now
[10:15] <B2055777_> @erialdo maybe try !! on the bash
[10:17] <erialdo> yes of course. but I intended to do another thing. e.g add a space before the command and then run. forgot to add smth in the command and want to go back. but can't because ignorespace value in HISTCONTROL. just want to go back to previous command in the current session
[10:17] <erialdo> when I press !! it takes the last command saved in the history file
[10:18] <erialdo> there has to be something as a temporary cache
[10:18] <erialdo> I used this functionality in zsh shell
[10:18] <erialdo> but cannot find the equivalent in bash shell
[10:27] <B2055777_> @erialdo if am understanding you correctly, you looking for a previous command you typed, which if all fails, do it manual, i.e. `history|less` check the command you want, copy paste with the added spaces you indicated?
[10:35] <erialdo> hello I want to access with arrow the last command in current bash shell despite HISTCONTROL value. How do I do that?
[11:08] <zetheroo> Installing a BIOS update from Ubuntu Software ... at least I think I am. There is no progress or way to see if it's installing the update or how far along it is ... seems very dangerous.
[11:10] <zetheroo> The fan in the laptop (Thinkpad P14s) is on max, which is normal for when a BIOS update is installing, but other than that there is no visual clue as to what's going on with the update
[11:12] <Elw3> One would imagine, the file is small so the install is super fast...
[11:15] <zetheroo> Elw3: writing a new BIOS usually takes several minutes ... but here I am still waiting for the laptop to automatically restart ...
[11:17] <zetheroo> going ahead with the CLI instead https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wMNR9K5DbC/
[11:18] <zetheroo> Ubuntu Software app has never been great :/
[11:18] <ogra> sound like you should file a whishlist bug to get a progress bar ... "ubuntu-bug gnome-software" should be the right thing to report that
[11:18] <ogra> *sounds
[11:19] <zetheroo> ogra: if the app allows the updating of firmware it should have everything ready for that - this is just amateur.
[11:19] <zetheroo> rebooting ...
[11:21] <Elw3> ->"An update requires a reboot to complete. Restart now? [y|N]:" At least in synaptic i found questions during install often causing problems.
[11:23] <Elw3> I would not trust any gui tool for such system packages.
[11:38] <erialdo> hello I want to access with arrow the last command in current bash shell despite HISTCONTROL value. How do I do that?
[11:39] <locsmif> Hi. What is the actual service name to restart the network on Focal Fossa? I changed the static ip address, but neither "networking" nor "NetworkManager" exist in systemctl list-unit-files, and I see multiple possibilities
[11:40] <locsmif> erialdo: how does that variable interfere with the keyboard shortcut?
[11:41] <erialdo> you know I have it already set the HISTCONTROL=ignorespaces. but I just want to go back to the previous command even though I put space in front
[11:41] <locsmif> erialdo: I may be unaware, but as you explain it, I don't understand. In any case, you can see the last command with history | tail -2 | head -1
[11:41] <erialdo> just for the session
[11:43] <locsmif> Well, the environment variable lasts for the session only, so why not modify it?
[11:43] <erialdo> I type command with space. I want to go back to the said command in the same session because I want to change it. is there any small cache
[11:43] <erialdo> I want just the current session. I do not want the command to remain in history after I close the terminal
[11:43] <locsmif> Modifying that variable doesn't modify anything permanently unless, you modify it in any of the automatically invoked sourced scripts such as .bashrc or .profile
[11:44] <locsmif> erialdo: now I'm confused as to what you want? Do you want to *access* the history or do you want the shell to not store your history after you exit?
[11:44] <erialdo> I want the shell to restore the last command that I typed
[11:45] <EriC^^> he wants to temporarily have it in the list, but not saved to bash_history, pretty shady stuff
[11:45] <erialdo> yes
[11:45] <EriC^^> you agree it's shady then
[11:45] <erialdo> why is shady lol? the same functionality exists in zsh. I just don't know how to set it up in bash shell
[11:45] <locsmif> Well, it's easy to edit the history file anyway, but... why can't he just modify the environment variable?
[11:46] <locsmif> I just explained it only lasts for the session, I don't get it
[11:46] <locsmif> If this is about covering your tracks, I'm obviously not answering that, but otherwise, what's the big deal?
[11:47] <locsmif> What's wrong with using variable inheritance as intended? That's the entire point
[11:47] <erialdo> locmif I think you misunderstood me . it is not about shady . just convenience.
[11:47] <erialdo> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1288/preserve-bash-history-in-multiple-terminal-windows
[11:47] <erialdo> check this question last point
[11:47] <erialdo> that is what I want to do
[11:47] <erialdo> my english is shite, I know
[11:48] <locsmif> You want the history to save all commands from all terminals?
[11:48] <locsmif> Oh right
[11:48] <erialdo> no. just the last point for one shell, one session
[11:48] <locsmif> Well ... modify HISTCONTROL like I said?
[11:48] <erialdo> after closing, the command does not have to be in history
[11:49] <locsmif> What command? That's preventing history saving and a different question
[11:49] <locsmif> Do you want to prevent commands with leading spaces from being ignored or do you want to prevent the shell from saving history?
[11:50] <locsmif> otherwise, do "help history" if you want to see what options you have to delete a single entry
[11:51] <locsmif> But.. other than that, I still don't get it, can't you modify the environment variable? *It only lasts for as long as your shell session does*
[11:51] <EriC^^> locsmif: what possibilities do you have in systemct list-unit-files?
[11:51] <erialdo> If I type a command with leading space, and then in the same shell session I want to go back to that command using up arrow key, do I have that possibility?
[11:52] <locsmif> erialdo: yes, by modifying HISTCONTROL
[11:52] <locsmif> erialdo: ???
[11:52] <erialdo> HISTCONTROL=ignorespace?
[11:52] <locsmif> EriC^^: I get a list with grep -i net, but this is Proxmox and it doesn't allow copy/paste from the webshell
[11:53] <locsmif> EriC^^: let's see if I can type it over, comma separated, moment
[11:53] <EriC^^> locsmif: use <command> | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:53] <EriC^^> it will paste it over nc
[11:55] <locsmif> netplan-ovs-cleanup.service, networkd-dispatcher.service, systemd-network-generator.service, systemd-networkd-wait-online.service, systemd-networkd.service, systemd-networkd.socket, network-online.target, network-pre.target, network.target
[11:55] <locsmif> EriC^^: saw that after I was already almost done, sorry, will do next time
[11:55] <EriC^^> no worries
[11:56] <EriC^^> locsmif: try sudo netplan apply
[11:56] <locsmif> I grepped for "net", case insensitive
[11:57] <locsmif> EriC^^: hmm, that worked, ... for what range of versions can I expect to be using netplan? I'm an oldhat and I have to get used to new things a bit
[11:57] <EriC^^> i have no idea locsmif , i'm still clinging on to 16.04 myself, eol this month though
[11:58] <erialdo> @Eric^^ just curious, why is it shady to have the command temporary in history and not saved?
[11:58] <erialdo> because the same functionality I use in arch distro with zsh
[11:58] <locsmif> erialdo: you can set the variable to nothing or use: unset HISTCONTROL
[11:59] <locsmif> erialdo: keep in mind, if you want any child processes to pick up this variable you set, you have to use "export HISTCONTROL"
[11:59] <locsmif> After you exit the shell, and open a new one, it will be reset again to what is default or specified in your systemwide or user-specific shell configuration
[12:00] <erialdo> If HISTCONTROL is set to ignorespace (or ignoreboth) it does not save any command with leading spaces, as it should be. What I want to achieve is save a command only temporary even if I put a leading space.
[12:00] <EriC^^> erialdo: it just has some shady use cases, unless you want to run commands on your own system and not have them saved
[12:00] <erialdo> after exiting the command should not exist
[12:00] <locsmif> EriC^^: haha, yeah, I can see that. We're trying to setup ubuntu-landscape server and it only works on Bionic, basically
[12:01] <locsmif> erialdo: this is where I get confused. A "command" is not something you can have "not exist".
[12:01] <locsmif> Well, unless there is no such command on the entire system
[12:01] <locsmif> So, that's I guess where your English fails you, it's not your fault
[12:02] <locsmif> You'll have to be more precise as to what you want exactly, but I believe we've covered nearly everything
[12:02] <EriC^^> he wants it not saved in the history file, but while in the session be able to take advantage of the up/down arrow list
[12:02] <erialdo> yes EriC^^
[12:02] <locsmif> We've covered modifying history, we've covered not ignoring leading spaces, we've covered exporting, we've covered shell and systemwide configuration
[12:02] <erialdo> exactly . thank you lol. my english is shit, forgive me
[12:02] <locsmif> Alright
[12:02] <EriC^^> encfs unlock ~/myporn
[12:02] <locsmif> lol
[12:03] <locsmif> There are tricks, but since they're so often used by hackers, I'd rather not share
[12:03] <locsmif> But you can just exit, then edit your history file
[12:03] <locsmif> I don't see the problem?
[12:04] <locsmif> Just run "vi" and then open it from there
[12:04] <erialdo> right understand. by hackers you mean, you either don't have the knowledge to do that or just do not want to help
[12:04] <locsmif> Haha, my boy, I have been on irc for nearly 20 years and I run #bash on oftc
[12:04] <locsmif> You can query nickserv if you don't believe it
[12:05] <locsmif> I'm the original author of Infobash: https://github.com/fullstory/infobash  .. which was later forked into inxi
[12:05] <locsmif> So give me a break
[12:05] <erialdo> I believe you, I do not want to antagonize
[12:06] <locsmif> EriC^^: should I just tell him? I don't mind if you don't?
[12:06] <EriC^^> sure go ahead
[12:06] <locsmif> erialdo: unset HISTFILE
[12:06] <locsmif> Nothing will be saved when you exit
[12:06] <erialdo> ok I will try that
[12:07] <locsmif> It's just an environment variable pointing to the file where history is saved, if it's empty, Bash saves nothing
[12:08] <locsmif> And by the way, I tip my hat to the true experts in #bash, like greycat and twkm
[12:08] <locsmif> But I'm certainly not completely clueless
[12:08] <locsmif> Just old
[12:10] <erialdo> I thank you for the tip, I believe your intent to help me and do not question your expertise. But I know what unset HISTFILE does. I want to save the file. I just want to access current history of shell regardless of leading spaces or not. After exiting the shell, only non-leading commands are saved in history.
[12:12] <locsmif> Well, there is no such feature that I am aware of, that can tell Bash to filter specific history entries from being saved
[12:12] <locsmif> Perhaps I am mistaken, but just not that I know of
[12:13] <locsmif> HISTFILE points to the file where everything is stored, you'll have to sed or perl that in place
[12:13] <locsmif> (After you exit)
[12:13] <erialdo> I am asking this because the zsh shell does have this, but I don't know the equivalent in bash shell.
[12:13] <locsmif> Hmm, I might be wrong
[12:13] <locsmif> I've just found HISTIGNORE
[12:14] <EriC^^> erialdo: i dont think you can achieve that hybrid in bash, if you do "HISTCONTROL=" it will save the leading space ones, the guys in #bash might be able to help you, just a thought, if your commands share something special, you can run a script when bash exits automatically that purges the history file of them using sed
[12:14] <locsmif> erialdo: https://linux.die.net/man/1/bash  <-- search for HISTIGNORE
[12:14] <EriC^^> or wait, in case locsmif just found something
[12:14] <locsmif> Maybe that'll do what you want, not entirely shure
[12:14] <locsmif> sure*
[12:15] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:15] <locsmif> I believe that might apply to the live history list, not the one saved, so again, I don't know if there even is such a feature as you'd like to have, sorry
[12:16] <EriC^^> erialdo: or perhaps add a flag to them, <mycommand> #del   and then the script deletes all lines that have "#del" in them
[12:17] <EriC^^> erialdo: better yet, you can write the script to delete all commands that have a leading space, if that's saved on "HISTCONTROL="
[12:17] <EriC^^> yup, they're saved with the leading spaces
[12:18] <erialdo> @EriC^^ that could be a solution. I will try that
[12:21] <ckb> hi friends, I need some help setting up my dev environment. I either need to turn off DHCP or not use a bridged network interface
[12:22] <ckb> (from my understanding)
[12:27] <locsmif> ckb: hmm, you probably don't want to turn off the bridge
[12:27] <ckb> I only need it local
[12:27] <ckb> NAT can't work?
[12:27] <locsmif> Using VirtualBox, or?
[12:28] <ckb> yes
[12:28] <locsmif> https://www.tecmint.com/network-between-guest-vm-and-host-virtualbox/
[12:28] <locsmif> "Host-only Networks"?
[12:29] <locsmif> You can then select static or dynamic
[12:29] <locsmif> Where dynamic is governed by a Virtualbox DHCP server
[12:30] <ckb> locsmif, thanks. trying now
[12:32] <locsmif> ckb: in terms of configuring a static IP, that HOWTO might be out of date
[12:32] <ckb> tbh host only sounds like it just uses VB as a router?
[12:33] <ckb> detached from hosts controller
[12:33] <locsmif> If you read on, it says another virtual NIC is offered, which offers a pathway to the internet. You could bring that offline if you want. The host only stuff is basically a LAN between the host and the guest
[12:34] <locsmif> If the host and the guest are then on the same subnet, with different IP addresses of course, they should be able to find each other
[12:34] <locsmif> If you do want internet access, then you can either set up some kind of NAT, yes, or bridge and use the same DHCP your host machine uses
[12:35] <ckb> NAT is host as router, right?
[12:35] <locsmif> (If any)
[12:35] <locsmif> Correct, well Virtualbox plays the router
[12:35] <ckb> at that point it uses DHCP?
[12:35] <locsmif> It can, it's probably the best way, but it's not strictly necessary
[12:36] <locsmif> And DHCP is then provided by VirtualBox
[12:36] <locsmif> Do you need a predictable ip address?
[12:36] <ckb> Yes.
[12:37] <ckb> As NAT, ifconfig -a / ping from host times out?
[12:37] <locsmif> How does ifconfig -a time out?
[12:38] <ckb> ping from the adaptor
[12:38] <ckb> host: ping adaptor = timeout
[12:39] <ckb> ifconfig -a to get ip, ping ip from host = timeout
[12:39] <locsmif> ifconfig -a does... not get an IP?
[12:39] <ckb> inet xx.xx.xx.xx?
[12:40] <locsmif> ckb: are you somewhat new to Linux in general or?
[12:40] <ckb> when it's bridged, I can SFTP just fine, I just don't want to have to change the IP in my editor / PuTTY / etc configs everytime the VM boots
[12:40] <locsmif> no offence intended, trying to gauge how I should formulate my responses
[12:40] <ckb> I am NOT new
[12:40] <locsmif> Ok
[12:40] <ckb> maybe to networking
[12:41] <summonner> what's the host OS?
[12:41] <ckb> inet <IP_ADDRESS>  netmask <IP_ADDRESS>  broadcast <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:41] <ckb> \Win 10
[12:41] <ckb> Ubuntu 20.04 guest
[12:41] <locsmif> If it's bridged, you can set a fixed IP address on a specific MAC address on your actual router
[12:41] <summonner> and Ubuntu as the VM OS, correct?
[12:42] <ckb> Yes but, I don't know if I have access to the router
[12:42] <ckb> I can likely find it...
[12:42] <locsmif> Unless your router does not support that. Otherwise, you can do a static IP in a NAT setup, or a DHCP server inside Vbox, but you may have to go into VBoxManage dhcpserver
[12:43] <locsmif> I would choose a static IP at that point, probably
[12:43] <locsmif> But this means the guest OS must be properly configured with a netmask, a gateway, and name servers
[12:43] <erialdo> 1. Create host only network in virtual box by going to File -> Host Network Manager. The new Adapter (vboxnet0) should not have dhcp so uncheck the dhcp option.
[12:43] <erialdo> 2. Go to Settings of virtual machine. Go to Network -> Adapter 2 -> Enable Network Adapter -> Attach to: Host-only Adapter
[12:43] <erialdo> 3. Configure network files in Ubuntu server to accomodate the new adapter enp0s8. Go to netplan config files and change it:
[12:43] <erialdo> $ sudo vi /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml
[12:43] <summonner> you should go for bridged networking to avoid all the configuration issues
[12:44] <summonner> that way the host talks directly on the network for its own stuff
[12:44] <locsmif> summonner: however, if he wants a predictable IP, that then means he needs to link a MAC address to an IP address in his router's DHCP configuration
[12:44] <ckb> yeah, I just need to find the router login.
[12:44] <ckb> :<
[12:44] <locsmif> He just said he might not know where to find the router/how to access it
[12:44] <locsmif> ckb: just check your Windows gateway settings
[12:45] <ckb> I have the password in my texts.
[12:45] <ckb> I'm just going to do it the right way
[12:45] <locsmif> Yes, as long as you know the router's ip address, just connect, configure its DHCP and add your VM's MAC address with an IP address to your liking, within its DHCP range
[12:46] <summonner> the problem is you're trying to manage constant through a dynamic system
[12:46] <summonner> that's what DNS was made for
[12:46] <locsmif> Routers do not generally have their DNS servers
[12:46] <locsmif> their own*
[12:47] <summonner> in this case the router should assign the name from the IP, ala AD DNS system
[12:47] <ckb> I think it was over the phone with my landlord :<
[12:47] <locsmif> More often, they have DHCP settings which allow for fixed IPs
[12:47] <ckb> doesn't the router assign based on MAC?
[12:47] <summonner> DHCP allows you to request a preferred address
[12:47] <locsmif> It doesn't _guarantee_ a fixed ip address unless you configure it as such explicitly
[12:48] <summonner> I would shrink the DHCP pool, and add static into the /etc/networking/interface file
[12:48] <summonner> specifying an IP outside the pool range
[12:48] <locsmif> Then he has to set up a gateway, netmask and DNS servers statically on the VM as well
[12:49] <locsmif> ckb: can you access your router yet?
[12:49] <summonner> but that's the easiest part, because you always have access to the VM console, even through a browser
[12:50] <locsmif> summonner: if it was that easy _for him_ he wouldn't be here asking us though
[12:50] <ckb> locsmif, apparently I'm locked out of it for 5 minutes
[12:50] <ckb> Give me a moment
[12:50] <summonner> DHCP will abort providing an IP if there's a conflict. you can just go ahead and static the IP, then drop and start the interface again, that will be fine through the console
[12:51] <summonner> (skip to the next)
[12:51] <ckb> I mean I would choose some random <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:51] <locsmif> No, don't.. why?
[12:52] <summonner> nah, pick a high IP in your C-class range
[12:52] <summonner> otherwise you have to add routing rules to the gateway and a heap of other stuff
[12:52] <ckb> <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:52] <ckb> I'm 192.168.*
[12:53] <summonner> if your win10 box is <IP_ADDRESS>, pick <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:54] <ckb> I'll brb, I think I might need to hard reset the router.
[13:16] <locsmif> Well, I'm guessing the hard router reset might nog have gone as planned :|
[13:16] <locsmif> not*
[13:36] <ckb> I am back
[13:38] <locsmif> ckb: you live!
[13:38] <ckb> well I realized my living room ceiling is now leaking
[13:38] <ckb> so that's fun
[13:39] <locsmif> btw: does anybody know why webmin's repository only shows "Sarge" in its Release file? http://download.webmin.com/download/repository/Release  -- that is so old, it can't be real...
[13:39] <locsmif> ckb: that sucks
[13:39] <ckb> NOW I need to figure out what mac address this VM is
[13:40] <TheBigK02> is webmin still a thing? i thought its dead for ages
[13:40] <locsmif> TheBigK02: I was asked to investigate the possibility of its use, so you might be right
[13:41] <locsmif> However, the thing is, if I look here: http://download.webmin.com/download/repository/pool/contrib/w/webmin/  I see a version which appears to be from 2021-03-07
[13:41] <TheBigK02> locsmif: yeah looks active in some sort... but may be the debian packages are not?
[13:42] <locsmif> But those are the debian packages, and they've got one from March this year... I'm a bit confused tbh
[13:42] <locsmif> Honestly it sucks that so many possible options for web-based management are dead/abandoned or neglected
[13:44] <ckb> I don't see my VM on the list of devices with bridged?
[13:45] <locsmif> ckb: which list are you looking at? Do you mean "list of VMs"?
[13:46] <locsmif> ckb: I take it this means you can now get into your router?
[13:46] <ckb> locsmif, yes I did a hard reset
[13:46] <locsmif> ckb: does it have fixed IP assignment based on DHCP-MAC?
[13:46] <ckb> one moment
[13:47] <locsmif> It's not that I'm against static IP configuration, but I personally find this approach most sensible for you atm
[13:47] <ckb> it's a cox router
[13:47] <locsmif> You'll VM will change alongside your other devices if something on the ISP side changes
[13:47] <ckb> so I can change it to reserved IP
[13:47] <locsmif> Your*
[13:48] <locsmif> ckb: meaning you can you can specify your VM's MAC addy?
[13:48] <ckb> yes
[13:48] <locsmif> Then you're set
[13:48] <locsmif> Just check out the hardware details for your VM and copy the MAC addy
[13:48] <ckb> I got it, thanks locsmif
[13:48] <locsmif> Great :)
[13:49] <locsmif> !offtopic
[13:49] <locsmif> I'll have to pay that channel a visit
[14:00] <sieve> Is there any kind of rate limiting on ubuntu mirrors - or any reason why apt would flake out sometimes due to network failure?
[14:06] <nescius> Hi, i have a wierd issue - psql (and maybe telnet) executed via ssh dont show spaces, so I can't write any sql command as all contain spaces (getting select*fromtable; instead of select * from table;) and googling for space gives a lot of irrelevant nonsence.. help?
[14:08] <rory> nescius, is it only psql that shows this issue, or do you see the issue when running just "ssh" with no extra command to get a bash shell?
[14:08] <leftyfb> nescius: ssh user@hostname "mysql -e 'show databases'"    # this works fine for me
[14:09] <locsmif> sieve: depends on the mirror afaik
[14:12] <nescius> rory: psql and an alias executing telnet, space works without any problems in remote session via the ssh otherwise...
[14:13] <nescius> leftyfb: thanks for the hint, i will try that this way
[14:19] <nescius> leftyfb: thanks! the -e part did not work for me, but when executed as command, then spaces work in the psql.
[14:21] <nescius> ehm, sorry for spamming, i misred your hint and placed -e in the ssh options :)
[14:40] <luna> Anyone know how to mount ZFS the easiest way from an Ubuntu Live USB ?
[14:41] <Maik> luna: stop cross posting please
[14:42] <Maik> asking in one channel is sufficient enough :)
[14:42] <luna> okay
[15:11] <nyxyn> Anyone know how to use x11 tabbed? I'm trying to run Alacritty with tabs
[15:11] <nyxyn> I try to run: $ tabbed alacritty but I'm just getting a blank window
[16:25] <nightraven> when installing the nvidia driver in ubuntu does that mok password thing need to be enter at every boot or is it just one time only?
[16:31] <isapgswell> nightraven use dkms
[16:32] <isapgswell> nightraven if you define in setup good, if not use dkms with secureboot enabled
[16:33] <isapgswell> nightraven installation**
[16:33] <nightraven> i do,  it installed nvidia-dkms-460 when i installed the nvidia driver
[16:33] <isapgswell> nightraven sudo dkms install nvidia/version
[16:34] <isapgswell> nightraven check if secureboot is enabled when you install bia dkms
[16:34] <isapgswell> nightraven mokutil --sb-state
[16:35] <isapgswell> nightraven then run dkms install command
[16:35] <nightraven> secure boot was enabled when i installed the driver,  so i guess i have to reinstall the driver without secure boot enabled
[16:35] <isapgswell> nightraven if you wanna use secureboot with nvidia installed you should what i typed
[16:36] <isapgswell> nightraven and do not care about sign the driver
[16:36] <isapgswell> nightraven the sign key is /var/lib/shim-signed
[16:37] <isapgswell> nightraven you can sign manually with kmodsign
[16:37] <nightraven> sudo dkms install nvidia/version  gave this: Error! Could not find module source directory.  Directory: /usr/src/nvidia-version does not exist.
[16:38] <isapgswell> nightraven where version you put 460.something
[16:38] <isapgswell> nightraven run sudo dkms status
[16:38] <isapgswell> nightraven in my case i use: sudo dkms install nvidia/460.67
[16:39] <nightraven> command gave: nvidia, 460.39, 5.8.0-48-generic, x86_64: installed
[16:39] <isapgswell> nightraven so you hit command: sudo dkms install nvidia/460.39
[16:40] <isapgswell> nightraven check if nvidia already is installed...
[16:40] <nightraven> it gave Module nvidia/460.39 already installed on kernel 5.8.0-48-generic/x86_64
[16:40] <isapgswell> nightraven so yo ucan remove before: sudo dkms remove nvidia/460.39
[16:40] <isapgswell> nightraven and reinstall
[16:41] <nightraven> and disable secure boot before reinstall?
[16:41] <isapgswell> nightraven no, run isntall command with secureboot enabled
[16:42] <nightraven> sudo dkms remove nvidia/460.39  gave this: Error! Invalid number of parameters passed. Usage: remove <module>/<module-version> --all or: remove <module>/<module-version> -k <kernel-version>
[16:42] <isapgswell> nightraven after reboot check secureboot: mokutil --sbstate
[16:43] <isapgswell> nightraven check what kernel nvidia driver is installed to: sudo dkms status
[16:43] <nightraven> nvidia, 460.39, 5.8.0-48-generic, x86_64: installed
[16:44] <isapgswell> nightraven run the command to remove, sudo dkms remove nvidia/460.39 -k 5.8.0-48-generic
[16:44] <nightraven> ok done now it worked
[16:45] <isapgswell> nightraven and reinstall: sudo dkms install nvidia/460.39 -k 5.8.0-48-generic
[16:45] <isapgswell> nightraven sorry, check secureboot state
[16:45] <isapgswell> nightraven and reinstall
[16:46] <cypherone> Ey folks, someone could help me with PeppermintOS considering that is related somehow with Ubuntu?
[16:46] <nightraven> i must reboot before check  secure boot state?
[16:46] <isapgswell> nightraven no
[16:47] <isapgswell> nightraven without root run, mokutil --sb-state
[16:47] <nightraven> SecureBoot enabled
[16:48] <isapgswell> nightraven good now, install via dkms: sudo dkms install nvidia/460.39 -k 5.8.0-48-generic
[16:51] <nightraven> ok now its done gave  DKMS: install completed.
[16:52] <nightraven> so now i dont have to run that mok password at every system boot right?
[17:28] <Bradipo> Where can I find pdksh for Ubuntu 18.04?  apt-cache search pdksh doesn't turn up anything for pdksh (but does list mksh and posh).
[17:31] <ioria> Bradipo,  superseded by mksh ; last supported in  trusty (14.04)
[17:31] <Bradipo> Hmm, pity.
[17:32] <Bradipo> Guess I'll go with mksh for now.
[17:32] <Bradipo> Thanks for confirming what I suspected.
[17:33] <ioria> ok
[17:50] <sveinse> I'm having troubles mouting a loopback device to a file that resides on a nfs4 mount. I'm getting I/O error in console log once a second. It's a bit unexpected that I get this, but are there any nfs4 mount options I might have missed that would impact the loopback device?
[17:54] <sarnold> sveinse: I don't think I'd expect that to work
[17:54] <sarnold> sveinse: if it used to work once upon a time, you might be able to do something like git bisection to find when it broke
[17:54] <sarnold> sveinse: but I'd be surprised if it worked in the past, too :)
[17:55] <sveinse> sarnold: because loop devs need to be local?
[17:57] <sveinse> I wonder then how it would work if someone had root on nfs and tried to use snap that relies heavily on loopback devs
[17:58] <sarnold> sveinse: not well, NFS requires apparmor networking privileges, and there's no way for snap to grant that when needed
[17:58] <sveinse> Perhaps the answer is that nfs isn't used as much as it once where. IDK.
[17:58] <sarnold> sveinse: I'm pretty sure snap has never been used in environments that rely on nfs
[17:58] <sveinse> jep, I'm not trying to deny that
[18:00] <sveinse> Do you think it's likely that there are any remote fs that can be used with loopback devices?
[18:02] <sarnold> it feels pretty unlikely .. I wonder if you could tell by source inspection or not
[18:03] <sveinse> I have a set of disk images stored on a NAS which I need to mount to access the files for. Having to move the files locally is tedious and very slow. Albeit if that's the only way to do it, then it has to be done this way...
[18:05] <sarnold> sveinse: loopback mount them on the nfs system, export those?
[18:07] <sveinse> sarnold: hmm, I don't control the nfs server -- its running on freenas, so it doesn't really do extfs prefectly
[18:07] <sarnold> oh :/
[18:07] <sarnold> sveinse: fire up a linux VM on the thing?
[18:08] <sveinse> I'm contemplating on firering up an ubuntu VM on it.
[18:08] <sveinse> Yeah like that
[18:09] <sveinse> sarnold: anyways. Thank you.
[18:11] <sarnold> sveinse: good luck :)
[18:25] <Sven_vB> hi! on focal, I created a new keyboard layout /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/sven . how can I activate it? if I just set XKBLAYOUT='sven' in /etc/default/keyboard and reboot, it results in US default keyboard.
[18:26] <isapgswell> sven switch vt and try run setupcon as root
[18:27] <isapgswell> Sven_vB switch vt and try run setupcon as root
[18:27] <Sven_vB> will do, thanks!
[18:27] <isapgswell> Sven_vB ok
[18:28] <isapgswell> Sven_vB welcome
[19:18] <kryten> Sven_vB: Did you figure it out yet?  Otherwise I could paste a diff of what I did to both 1.) have my custom keyboard layout as variant of German and 2.) insert it as an actual keyboard layout one can select in the settings.
[19:19] <kryten> And yeah, there is a variety of circumstances that make the xmodmap approach insufficient.
[19:21] <isapgswell> kryten how to get info about active keymap?
[19:22] <isapgswell> kryten in the multi keyboard scenario
[19:23] <isapgswell> kryten from terminal
[19:23] <kryten> I've never had multiple keyboards connected at once yet, so I wouldn't know.
[19:23] <isapgswell> kryten i have builtin notebook keyboard and another usb port keyboard connected
[19:24] <isapgswell> kryten i think xinput, but it doesnt tell the primary keyboard or secondary
[19:25] <pac1> I'm having trouble with getting ubuntu re-installed.  Each installation of 2020.10 fails at some point while running grub-install.  Is there a workaround?
[19:25] <isapgswell> pac1 try to set shimx64.efi directly from bios
[19:25] <isapgswell> pac1 after installation
[19:26] <isapgswell> pac1 create a path to shimx64.efi in bios, somethime i need to do that on my dell notebook
[19:28] <isapgswell> pac1 are you trying dual boot?
[19:29] <Sven_vB> I ran setupcon but it did not make brokenbar work in VT. I'll try how the VT behaves with "de" layout so I can compare
[19:31] <isapgswell> Sven_vB yes
[19:32] <isapgswell> Sven_vB setupcon is needed if you wont reboot the system to take effect
[19:32] <Sven_vB> oh I see
[19:33] <Sven_vB> I've disabled gdm temporarily so X won't interfere. let's fix just my console first. I have de layout now, and AltGr+Shift+"<" types a normal | bar
[19:34] <Sven_vB> how to go from here to make it type brokenbar?
[19:35] <Sven_vB> my own attempt, using a modified copy of the "de" layout, also typed the normal bar, so that approach failed.
[19:35] <Sven_vB> kryten, yes, please share your diff
[19:36] <isapgswell> did you edit /etc/default/grub
[19:36] <isapgswell> sorry
[19:36] <isapgswell> keyboard
[19:36] <isapgswell> etc default keyboard
[19:36] <Sven_vB> isapgswell, yes, earlier I changed XKBLAYOUT='sven' and rebooted
[19:37] <Sven_vB> the normal bar then confused me, so I changed back to "de" and tried, and discovered that it's the same.
[19:37] <isapgswell> sven_vB what modifications you did to de
[19:38] <Sven_vB> isapgswell, sed -re '/^\s+key <LSGT>/s~dead_belowmacron~    brokenbar ~'
[19:39] <Sven_vB> ??? -- de >sven
[19:39] <pac1> isapgswell yes.  dual booting Ubuntu 2020.04 LTS, and Kubuntu 2010.10.  Will also probably want to have a partition for 2021.04
[19:40] <isapgswell> pac1 it common to occur when using dual boot and mbr partition is rewrited
[19:40] <pac1> happens even if using UEFI on a gpt disk.
[19:41] <isapgswell> pac1 try to access bios and in boot sequence you create only one path to Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[19:41] <Sven_vB> pac1, back when I had those problems, I used to not install a boot loader at OS install. I then used the SuperGrub Disk (support in channel #sgrub ) to boot into the Ubuntu, and then install GRUB from there.
[19:42] <kryten> Sven_vB: http://paste.openstack.org/show/oCJjMPRzYS4ZFXm9Jwmu/ - here you go.
[19:42] <Sven_vB> kryten, thanks!
[19:44] <Sven_vB> pac1, SuperGrub Disk is useful also to boot the Ubuntu ISO from a fast storage like an SSD. makes the Live session experience much snappier than USB thumbdrive.
[19:45] <Samian> wtf I'm tired of everything being done through the command line!
[19:45] <Samian> I google how to connect a Window HD to ubuntu, and it's all command line stuff
[19:45] <Sven_vB> Samian, what are you trying to do?
[19:46] <Samian> I'm trying to connect my external harddrive to my laptop which runs ubuntu
[19:46] <Samian> external HD is partitioned ntfs
[19:46] <isapgswell> is it ntfs formmated?
[19:47] <Sven_vB> Samian, ok. so what's the problem? does it not show up in your file manager
[19:47] <Samian> it does not
[19:47] <Samian> btw Sven_vB  is there any file manager you recommend?
[19:47] <Sven_vB> Samian, run gparted to see what partitions are detected, if any
[19:47] <Samian> or do you use the default one?
[19:48] <Sven_vB> Samian, I like thunar.
[19:48] <Sven_vB> which happens to be the default for xfce
[19:49] <Samian> dangit it's not showing up
[19:49] <Sven_vB> do we have a graphical tool for searching dmesg?
[19:49] <hotdicks69> I'm purposefully buying a garbage laptop (ASUS R420S, N3060, 4 GB DDR3) with zero intent on having Windows on it. I also detest Chrome OS. With a computer running specs like those, would Ubuntu XFCE suffice or Mate or what?
[19:49] <Sven_vB> Samian, what Ubuntu version?
[19:50] <Sven_vB> hotdicks69, xubuntu might run but you'd have to try.
[19:50] <Sven_vB> hotdicks69, especially whether all hardware has drivers
[19:51] <Samian> yes it shows up!
[19:51] <Samian> Sven_vB,  do I click on "name partition" ?
[19:51] <Samian> "Set partition name on /dev/sdb2"
[19:52] <Sven_vB> Samian, yes, having a partition name might help
[19:53] <Sven_vB> Samian, after applying the changes, you'll have to quit gparted to have your file manager be updated
[19:54] <Sven_vB> also, if you haven't already configured windows to properly unmount disks, you'll need to do that. by default, windows leaves the disks in unclean state, which might not be safe to mount in Ubuntu.
[19:54] <Samian> weird that seems to have done the trick
[19:54] <Samian> thank you!
[19:54] <Samian> Sven_vB,  thank you very much!
[19:55] <Sven_vB> Samian, your file manager disk list cannot offer you an item with no text
[19:55] <Sven_vB> Samian, glad I could help :)
[19:55] <lastshell> Why ubuntu 18.04 LTS now has a limitation of 32 characters for useradd command ?
[19:56] <Sven_vB> lastshell, is that limit for the username length?
[19:56] <lastshell> correct ubuntu 14.04 didn't have that
[19:56] <lastshell> the fun part useradd command just says invalid username
[19:56] <lastshell> no lenght exceeded
[19:57] <Sven_vB> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/220542/linux-unix-username-length-limit
[19:57] <Samian> does thunar have tree view?
[19:57] <Sven_vB> lastshell, ^ that article recommends to obey that limit and explains
[19:57] <Sven_vB> Samian, yes, ctrl+t I think
[19:58] <Sven_vB> nope, ctrl+e
[19:59] <Sven_vB> actually I was wrong with the 2nd part. the article doesn't explain beyond FUD.
[20:00] <Samian> yesssssss
[20:00] <Samian> thank you!!!!!!
[20:00] <Sven_vB> :)
[20:02] <lastshell> https://github.com/shadow-maint/shadow/blob/e84df9e163e133eb11a2728024ff3e3440592cf8/libmisc/loginprompt.c#L61 I guess is hard limit
[20:04] <isapgswell> sven_vB did you solve keymap issue?
[20:04] <sarnold> lastshell: thta limit is for the number of strings in the environment
[20:05] <AJ_Z0> Hot off the press: STIG Update - DISA Has Released the Canonical Ubuntu 20.04 LTS STIG. Finally we can make stupid changes to the current release.
[20:05] <Sven_vB> isapgswell, not yet
[20:05] <lastshell> I saw now in defines.h thanks sarnold :D
[20:07] <lastshell> how safe is to recompile useradd ?
[20:07] <lastshell> I gues I will poke around thanks guys
[20:12] <sgen> Probably a silly question but why is my /var/log/kern.log over 100gb?
[20:12] <sgen> And how do I fix that
[20:15] <Bradipo> > /var/log/kern.log
[20:15] <sarnold> sgen: read it, and find out what it says
[20:15] <Bradipo> Of course, that's not exactly a "fix", but it will reduce the size. :-)
[20:15] <Bradipo> Obviously first finding out the reason for the large file would be apropos.
[20:16] <sgen> BRB Seeing if opening 121+gb of log is going to crash my computer
[20:17] <Bradipo> tail?
[20:17] <Sven_vB> or less
[20:17] <Bradipo> I wouldn't try to "open" it in vi.
[20:18] <Sven_vB> yeah
[20:20] <sgen> Well I found it. Its discords snap butting heads with apparmor. 'Apr  4 00:18:13 desktop-ubuntu kernel: [115529.477816] audit: type=1400 audit(1617509893.581:1785568): apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="snap.discord.discord" pid=7246 comm="Discord" requested_mask="read" denied_mask="read" peer="unconfined"
[20:20] <sgen> Its basically ALL that
[20:20] <sgen> ffs
[20:20] <sgen> Whats ptrace
[20:20] <Bradipo> grep snap.discord.discord kern.log | wc
[20:21] <Bradipo> That should give you a clue as to how much of the log is consumed by snap.discord.discord.
[20:21] <sgen> ty We shall see
[20:23] <mike18> hi can you tell me what happens if i run this command in the terminal? /bin/sh -c "images=$(sudo docker image ls --filter 'reference=docker.myorg.com/bla/appd'); echo $images"
[20:24] <mike18> i get some weired errors like /bin/sh: 1: TAG: not found
[20:24] <mike18> something wrong with quoting?
[20:26] <sarnold> sgen: https://github.com/snapcrafters/discord/issues/23
[20:27] <sgen> wc says "334085 5867885 88182615"
[20:28] <sgen> sarnold: thats it thanks!
[20:30] <sgen> I didnt know the discord devs were such special people. I might just uninstall it on this computer
[20:30] <sgen> that is silly stuff. Not checking returns, debouncing or checking and setting flags ...
[20:31] <Samian> does thunar have a search files ability?
[20:31] <sarnold> sgen: yeah, there's a lot of sadness to share around :(
[20:31] <Samian> oh it's a custom action? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/thunar#Search_for_files_and_folders
[20:32] <sveinse> sgen: wait, wait? Is discord using ptrace in production code?
[20:32] <sarnold> sveinse: no
[20:32] <sarnold> sveinse: it just looks up /proc/*/comm things to find all the software you're running
[20:33] <sarnold> sveinse: that gets turned into ptrace requests by the kernel's internal security framework, and the apparmor policy supplied by the snap for discord doesn't automatically grant this permission
[20:34] <sveinse> ah
[20:35] <Bradipo> sgen: 88MB doesn't really account for 100GB of logs.
[20:35] <Bradipo> So unless the message is split up over multiple lines, that's not it.
[21:02] <VMGuy23> Ubuntu fails to mount something and drops to BusyBox, even though I've checked fstab and it's correct. From the UUID it tries to mount, it looks like /. Any help?
[21:03] <VMGuy23> This happened after I reinstalled because it couldn't mount /boot/efi.
[22:49] <sgen> Bradipo: How would I check for what else is causing it?
[22:56] <sgen> Idk after scanning through it with less it looks like its ALL discord. Theres the odd "kauditd_printk_skb: 143 callbacks suppressed" with anywhere from 8-140+ callbacks suppressed.
[22:56] <sgen> How would I know if its multiple lines?
[23:05] <Bradipo> sgen: Well, you just have to eliminate the various types of logs that are showing up there.
[23:05] <Bradipo> Are you sure it's 100GB?
[23:20] <sgen> Im pretty sure its 100GB+. nautilus lists it as 121.7 baobab lists /var/log at 240
[23:20] <sgen> Theres the kern.log listed at 121.7GB on Nautilus
[23:21] <sgen> And a syslog full of Apr  6 00:09:12 sgen-desktop-ubuntu kernel: [287791.196159] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: fifo: SCHED_ERROR 20 []
[23:21] <sgen> Which may not be related
[23:21] <sarnold> ew
[23:21] <sgen> Yea that doesnt sound good
[23:21] <sarnold> maybe try the propreitary drivers?
[23:22] <imi> my my /etc/resolv.conf basically says my localhost is my dns server. how do I figure out what dns server(s) my dhcp gave me?
[23:22] <sgen> Is that my GPU or lack of drivers for it?
[23:23] <sgen> rofl syslog looks like its all the same SCHED_ERROR
[23:25] <sgen> Yea that probably is my lack of drivers Ill see if I can fix that
[23:28] <leftyfb> imi: systemd-resolve --status|grep -i "dns servers"
[23:28] <imi> leftyfb: ok thanks
[23:29] <leftyfb> imi: or nmcli device show  | grep IP4.DNS
[23:30] <imi> is that possible that I have an ipv6 address?
[23:31] <imi> I have an ip6 address but I don't have an ip6 gateway
[23:32] <sgen> Well the drivers seem to work
[23:38] <sgen> Trying grep -e 'SCHED_ERROR' on /var/log/syslog | wc now to see how much of it is that SCHED_ERROR
[23:39] <sgen> If its all that error should I delete it or rotate it or something and see if its still occuring?
[23:39] <sarnold> imi: yeah you'll probably have a link-local fe80:: address on some of your interfaces
[23:49] <imi> sarnold: fe80:: indeed
[23:50] <sgen> Alright Im going to take a break while this silly grep | wc runs. Itll be a little while.
[23:52] <blahboybaz> how come I can't log in as root on my new 20.04 installation?  If I do $ sudo -i
[23:52] <blahboybaz> sudo: you do not exist in the passwd database
[23:52] <blahboybaz> that what I get
[23:53] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: how was this installation installed exactly?
[23:54] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: "exactly"?
[23:54] <blahboybaz> I think I may have found something - it looks like instructions to set up a root password
[23:54] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: that would be the wrong thing to do


[00:04] <wheeei> is there any difference to run KDE on ubuntu to install kubuntu from the start?
[00:10] <BigWig> Hello, I tried doing a dist-upgrade and it broke my install of plasma next
[00:10] <BigWig> here is what happens when I try and run plasmashell
[00:10] <BigWig> http://pastebin.com/Qt8Q2Jpp
[00:11] <BigWig> Any easy way to start clean without reinstalling the OS?
[00:13] <mikeru> hey
[00:13] <mikeru> my backlight suddenly stopped working
[00:14] <mikeru> well kde's support for controlling it, it doesn't detect it anymore but I can change it via /sys/clas/backlight and that works
[00:14] <mikeru> how do I debug it=
[00:14] <mikeru> ?
[01:06] <BigWig> I fixed it :)
[01:06] <BigWig> Something wrong with sycoca
[01:06] <BigWig> Couldn't write to it for some reason
[01:06] <BigWig> What is syscoca?
[01:52] <jalcine> BigWig: it's how KDE shares core config
[04:40] <phoenixz> Trying to install Kubuntu in a machine with an NVidia 7990 card, on graphics start I see only garbled white with crap screen.. I do have text mode. Can I somehow install Kubuntu in text only, then install the nvidia drivers?
[04:41] <phoenixz> or, alternatively, install the nvidia drivers in text only?
[04:46] <phoenixz> or, what drivers do I need to install for 7990 support? I see nvidia-173 for example, but I have no idea if thats the right one or not..
[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:14] <fknero>  irc.utchat.com
[10:05] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:00] <Guest62954> hello
[13:41] <serioux1> Hello to everyone.
[13:42] <serioux1> I just install kubuntu 14 lts , i have made some changes but... i do not know to change login interface lightdm
[13:44] <BluesKaj> serioux1, change lightdm, how and why?
[13:44] <serioux1> I have tryied to change background image of the login screen but after reset it was all white
[13:44] <BluesKaj> lightdm is default
[13:44] <serioux1> true
[13:44] <serioux1> i want to change the theme of lightdm
[13:45] <serioux1> or only background of login screen
[13:46] <BluesKaj> serioux1, make sure the image is jpg
[13:46] <serioux1> ok it will take a moment
[13:47] <serioux1> you are right
[13:48] <serioux1> it was a png file
[13:48] <serioux1> thank you
[14:04] <M1ke> Good morning, is anyone familiar with Ubuntu-After-Install program?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> M1ke, ubuntu or kubuntu?
[14:53] <M1ke> Hey BluesKaj I am using Kubuntu
[14:53] <M1ke> I will be back gotta re-boot
[14:58] <M1ke> Ok BluesKaj I am back. Can you help me with After-Install
[15:27] <BluesKaj> M1ke, so what are you trying to do after install, exactly?
[15:32] <M1ke> I try running the program "After-Install" it is supposed to have a lot of the things that are missing (google chrome, flash, ect) I succesfully installed the program and when i try to run it it prompt me for a password but it never runs. I found the program here> http://www.unixmen.com/top-things-installing-ubuntu-14-0413-1013-0412-1012-04/ It is in section 2.
[15:41] <M1ke> I would also like a desktop music player - maybe something like iheart or pandora, is there anything like that or kubuntu
[15:46] <serioux1> i am using amarok
[15:49] <serioux1> it is better to install any software from software center
[16:03] <BluesKaj> M1ke, that after install is for ubuntu and  gtk apps and unity/gnome , not for kubuntu and KDE desktop, try this : http://www.binarytides.com/better-kubuntu-14-04/
[18:00] <Th3H4xor> how do i
[18:00] <Th3H4xor> hoi
[18:45] <Guest62151> Hi, is it okay to ask a question about a strange behaviour of KDE, or should I just start a topic in kubuntuforums.net?
[18:45] <Guest62151> I mean here :)
[18:50] <BluesKaj> Guest62151, yes just ask your question here.
[18:53] <Guest62151> I have Kubuntu 14.04.1 installed on two notebooks, and several virtualbox machines. On the first notebook, with nvidia graphics and properietary drivers, my problem (see later) does not appear.
[18:53] <Guest62151> On the other machines, so the other notebook with intel graphics, and all of my virtualbox vm's, there is a little annoyance:
[18:53] <Guest62151> When I resize windows, the windows' title's text's font start to bounce. By bouncing I mean that for specific characters the distance between each other increases/decreases.
[18:55] <Guest62151> Furthermore, because of this change in the character's distances, sometimes, when the window is sized "unproperly", certain fonts are way to close to each other, they are almost touching.
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Guest62151, so the the vms aren't passthrus to the host's hardware/gpus I presume?
[19:03] <Guest62151> Hmm, I don't quite understand. I enabled 3D acceleration for the vm's, set 128 MB video ram, and installed guest additions in kubuntu.
[19:03] <Guest62151> That's all I did regarding gpu's
[19:04] <Guest62151> I also noticed, that with nvidia's proprieatary drivers the font handling is different. For example, the same size values produce much larger fonts (compared to nouveau).
[20:00] <alvin> Guest62151: That is correct, but not in all cases. Take a look at the Option "UseEdidDpi" "False" setting in xorg.conf
[20:00] <alvin> Then set the DPI manually. I prefer nouvea, to get it right, but there are reasons too to use the proprietary driver.
[20:01] <Guest62151> alvin: AFAIK, we don't need xorg.conf's anymore.
[20:01] <Guest62151> Should I generate one?
[20:01] <alvin> Yes, except when using the proprietary driver.
[20:01] <alvin> Yes, but you can use a very small one. Just for those settings
[20:01] <18VAA6ERI> anyone knows where the quassel profile folder is saved in kubuntu? i can't find it under .kde/share/apps
[20:01] <alvin> Only a Section "Monitor"
[20:02] <Guest62151> alvin: The proprietary drivered system works perfectly.
[20:02] <Guest62151> alvin: I have this problem with the intel integrated based notebook, and all of my virtualbox vms.
[20:04] <alvin> I have no experience with virtualbox and less with 3D acecleration in virtualbox. As far as I know it could be the method virtualbox uses to render the screen. (Isn't that RDP?) For qemu based virtual machines that's spice or VNC. That protocol might also be the cause of the distortion
[20:08] <18VAA6ERI> anyone knows where the quassel profile folder is saved in kubuntu? i can't find it under .kde/share/apps
[20:17] <18VAA6ERI> anyone knows where the quassel profile folder is saved in kubuntu? i can't find it under .kde/share/apps
[20:19] <18VAA6ERI> found it
[20:33] <lordievader> Good evening.
[20:33] <TheFakeazneD525> sup
[20:34] <lordievader> Hey TheFakeazneD525, how are you?
[20:34] <TheFakeazneD525> I am good
[20:35] <TheFakeazneD525> so apparently rekonq is being maintained
[20:35] <TheFakeazneD525> and ported
[20:38] <lordievader> TheFakeazneD525: Congratulations ;)
[20:38] <TheFakeazneD525> but not by me :c
[20:57] <man-woof> language support incomplete, additional packs required... this comes up every time but when i click it nothing happens
[21:36] <dolomite> hello, does kubuntu automagically enable fstrim for SSDs?
[21:36] <dolomite> I have not configured it to run yet it runs every time I boot
[21:36] <man-woof> ubuntu does it weekly
[21:36] <man-woof> hmm
[21:37] <dolomite> I don't have the discard option set in fstab, just noatime,nodiratime
[21:39] <dolomite> it really lags my machine and I'd prefer to designate it as a cron job so it would only run monthly
[23:09] <Moogly2012> hello
[23:09] <valorie> what can we help you with, Moogly2012?
[23:10]  * valorie observes that here, it's 2014
[23:10] <Moogly2012> trying to figure out where a certain folder is in Kubuntu
[23:10] <Moogly2012> I installed a KDE program called 'AMOR' not sure if you're familiar with it
[23:10] <Moogly2012> and I can't seem to locate the folder where it keeps it's files
[23:11] <valorie> !info amor
[23:11] <Moogly2012> indeed
[23:11] <valorie> no, I've not heard of it
[23:11] <valorie> nice name, though
[23:11] <Moogly2012> "Amusing Misuse of Resources
[23:11] <Moogly2012> apparently
[23:11] <valorie> is it targeted at kubuntu (KDE) or ubuntu unity?
[23:12] <TheFakeazneD525> its a KDE thing
[23:12] <Moogly2012> yeah, it's a kde package
[23:13] <Moogly2012> it's part of "KDE Toys" apparently as well
[23:13] <valorie> fun!
[23:13] <valorie> if it is a KDE application, most likely it will be found in ~/.kde/share/apps somewhere
[23:13] <valorie> or configs right there
[23:14] <valorie> very occasionally you'll find something in ~/.local or ~/.config instead, but those are usually non-KDE applications
[23:14] <Moogly2012> yeah everything I found pointed to that dir, but when I went there, the folder "amor" wasn't in there
[23:14] <Moogly2012> I'll check .local
[23:16] <Moogly2012> oh I think I found it
[23:16] <TheFakeazneD525> speaking of misusing resources... there was this "steampunk" plasmoid for KDE... scripted with JS
[23:16] <valorie> there might not be a folder
[23:16] <TheFakeazneD525> took a few hundred megs of ram :c
[23:16] <valorie> could be just an rc file or two
[23:17] <Moogly2012> really?
[23:17] <Moogly2012> oh
[23:17] <Moogly2012> @ the steampunk plasmoid
[23:18] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525 likes to gum up hir system
[23:18] <valorie> ...
[23:18] <Moogly2012> I found the folder, apparently Dolphin has decent searching capabilities haha
[23:18] <valorie> oh, it does
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> valorie: speaking of, will x/kscreensavers be ported to Wayland?
[23:18] <valorie> sometimes takes awhile
[23:18] <Moogly2012> now I just gotta terminal in cause I don't have access to these files
[23:18] <TheFakeazneD525> or would it work under XWayland
[23:19] <valorie> TheFakeazneD525: that I do not know
[23:19] <valorie> i know there is work on the screen locker
[23:19] <Moogly2012> apparently there's a /usr/share/kde4/apps/ folder
[23:19] <Moogly2012> it's no wonder I couldn't find it
[23:19] <valorie> but screensavers, no idea
[23:20] <Moogly2012> thanks for the help guys :)
[23:20] <valorie> unless they are a security problem, in which case they will NOT be ported, or supported
[23:20] <valorie> not a guy, but you are welcome
[23:20] <Moogly2012> guys and gal
[23:20] <Moogly2012> :(
[23:21] <valorie> there are women on the internet, contrary to myth!
[23:21] <Moogly2012> better yet, thank you valorie :)
[23:21] <valorie> yw
[23:21] <Moogly2012> well people still say "guys" as a gender neutral term though
[23:21] <valorie> even grandmas like me
[23:21] <valorie> Moogly2012: they do, but it does not feel inclusive to me
[23:21] <Moogly2012> even on TV when girls say bye to groups of girls they say "see you guys later"
[23:21] <valorie> I like including everyone
[23:22] <Moogly2012> I'll be sure to keep it in mind then :D
[23:22] <BuntuTech> hi valorie
[23:22] <valorie> greets, BuntuTech
[23:23] <BuntuTech> valorie, what is your favorite linux distro?
[23:24] <valorie> kubuntu, of course!
[23:25] <valorie> I've been using it for around 10 years
[23:25] <BuntuTech> i was trying to use for a few weeks but its sooo slow
[23:25] <BuntuTech> and  i couldnt find stuff easy
[23:25] <Moogly2012> er
[23:25] <valorie> what are you using now?
[23:25] <Moogly2012> crap LOL
[23:25] <valorie> this isn't religion; people can use what they like
[23:25] <BuntuTech> well atm im in my w8 machine but my favorie VM distro is ubuntu
[23:26] <valorie> everyone has different likes and tasts
[23:26] <valorie> tastes
[23:26] <BuntuTech> i liked the way kubuntu looked initially but it was soooo slow
[23:26] <Moogly2012> yeah it needs a graphics card at least
[23:26] <Moogly2012> although you could disable all the special eye candy effects I think
[23:27] <Moogly2012> earlier I was using SliTaz, which runs on about 100MB of your ram,
[23:27] <Moogly2012> was interesting
[23:27] <BuntuTech> well i have an i7 quad core 8 thread 12 gb ram anda gtx 645 with a gig of gddr5 ram dedicated
[23:27] <BuntuTech> state of the art
[23:28] <BuntuTech> ican run a half dozen vm's play the most graphical intense game chat and do skype screen sharing and its not even breathin heavy
[23:29] <BuntuTech> all at the same time
[23:29] <Moogly2012> yeah but if you don't have the graphics drivers installed
[23:29] <Moogly2012> it wont matter
[23:29] <BuntuTech> ahh hah
[23:29] <valorie> I've never found it slow, but I am running on my son's 'old' gaming machine
[23:29] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-HP-Pavilion-dv7-Notebook-PC': Running inside KDE 4.14.1 on Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS, Trusty Tahr powered by Linux 3.13.0-36-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3610QM CPU @ 2.30GHz at 1200-2301/2301 MHz, RAM: 7106/7884 MB, Storage: 344/784 GB, 328 procs, 61.39h up
[23:29] <BuntuTech> i dont think i added any drivers
[23:29] <Moogly2012> I have a great machine myself, but without the graphics driver installed
[23:29] <Moogly2012> my machine slows down big time
[23:30] <valorie> I have pretty much stock everything except I have the neon5 session also
[23:30] <BuntuTech> but even tmy built in graphics is a powerhouse
[23:30] <Moogly2012> hmm
[23:30] <BuntuTech> HD 4600
[23:30] <BuntuTech> it run anything too
[23:31] <valorie> plus I seed all the *buntu torrents
[23:31] <valorie> so this machine is doing a lot
[23:31] <BuntuTech> i wonder why they cant make it run fast?
[23:31] <valorie> runs fast for me....
[23:31] <valorie> the only slow machine is my 5yo netbook with an atom processor
[23:31] <valorie> everything is slow there
[23:32] <BuntuTech> omg yeah
[23:32] <valorie> gonna replace that this next year
[23:32] <valorie> I can't bear how slow 'tis
[23:32] <BuntuTech> yeah i'd like to slap the man who invented those with a dead salmon
[23:33] <BuntuTech> ive worked on a few of them
[23:33] <Moogly2012> oh I finally got it working hah
[23:33] <valorie> it was fine for traveling
[23:33] <BuntuTech> you could run lubuntu on it
[23:33] <valorie> but everything else has gotten faster, and it is almost literally stuck in the past
[23:33] <BuntuTech> or puppy
[23:34] <valorie> nope, KDE or nothing for me
[23:34] <valorie> thinking of a chromebook with Kubuntu on it
[23:34] <valorie> cheap, fast
[23:34] <BuntuTech> ima unity lover
[23:35] <BuntuTech> from the day i 1st saw her'
[23:35] <BuntuTech> those icons and that launcher
[23:36] <TheFakeazneD525> omg I think I just found a bug in KWin
[23:37] <BuntuTech> valorie, was kubuntu your 1st?
[23:38] <BuntuTech> sometimes i think your 1st is always your favorite...
[23:38] <valorie> no, I started with Mandrake
[23:38] <valorie> then gentoo (don't recall the desktop choice)
[23:38] <valorie> probably KDE
[23:38] <BuntuTech> how does one evn do that..when i 1st googled "free os" BUNtu was all over it
[23:39] <valorie> then kubuntu
[23:39] <Moogly2012> gentoo is kind of whatever you want
[23:39] <valorie> well, I started using linux on the desktop back in ..... 2002 or so
[23:39] <Moogly2012> there is no default gentoo desktop lol
[23:39] <BuntuTech> id like to create a distro
[23:39] <valorie> not many choices back then
[23:39] <Moogly2012> if you want to create one you gotta learn plenty of C
[23:39] <valorie> we should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:39] <valorie> please
[23:40] <Moogly2012> or take something like TinyCore or SliTaz and expand on it


[03:23] <micahg> astraljava: I actually upload a bunch of other stuff too :)
[03:27] <Unit193> xnox: I take it you never got any of them?
[05:02] <astraljava> micahg: Yeah I think I wanted to say so, but probably phrased it badly. :)
[05:02] <astraljava> Was thinking about the stuff that you do when you're patch piloting, for instance.
[07:53] <xnox> Unit193: never got any of what, sorry?
[17:51] <pleia2> knome: where did we end up with getting the offline docs uploaded somewhere? and doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu deleted?
[17:52] <micahg> knome: any more seed changes (I'd like to respin xubuntu-meta so we pick up the pam-xdg support
[18:05] <knome> micahg, no, as long as we fit on a CD
[18:06] <knome> pleia2, we should contact the IS about uploading under xubuntu.org - other docs can go
[18:06] <pleia2> knome: ok, shall I open a ticket?
[18:06] <knome> pleia2, please :)
[18:06] <pleia2> k
[18:06] <micahg> knome: still do according to latest dailies
[18:07] <knome> micahg, great
[18:07] <micahg> knome: we seem to have a bunch of room on amd64 now, should I add back a language or 2?
[18:11] <knome> micahg, what is "bunch" ?
[18:11] <knome> micahg, and how come we do have that space
[18:11] <micahg> ~20M
[18:11] <micahg> idk...
[18:11] <knome> well meh.
[18:11] <knome> i'd rather reintroduce gnumeric, but it sucks we're this late in the cycle
[18:11] <knome> but i suppose langpacks are fine
[18:12] <micahg> we'd have to drop an i386 language to do that
[18:12] <knome> yeah
[18:12] <knome> let's not do that atm
[18:12] <micahg> ok,  pick 2 of 'xh fr pt de' to be on amd64
[18:12] <knome> well what's the most spoken
[18:13] <knome> xh pt ?
[18:13] <micahg> I think so
[18:13] <knome> i'd imaging that would be near what we had
[18:14] <micahg> ok, tomorrows images should be closer together in size
[18:15] <knome> ok, thanks again
[19:02] <pleia2> always worrysome when I submit an RT ticket and get no ticket number back
[19:02]  * pleia2 waits
[19:02] <pleia2> also, case badge stickers shipped yesterday :)
[20:52] <SiB_2> Hello?\
[20:52] <SiB_2> I'm trying to write a C program, but GCC doesn't recognize the functions 'strptime' and 'localtime_r'
[20:53] <SiB_2> But I have done #include <time.h>
[20:53] <SiB_2> Any ideas?
[20:58] <micahg> hrm? how are you building it?
[20:59] <SiB_2> gcc -ansi -Wall (filename)
[20:59] <micahg> and what do you get?
[21:00] <SiB_2> warning: implicit declaration of function ‘strptime’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
[21:01] <micahg> can you pastebin your code?
[21:02] <SiB_2> Okay, I
[21:02] <SiB_2> Hang on...
[21:02] <SiB_2> ....oh.
[21:02] <SiB_2> Forgot this:
[21:02] <SiB_2> "#define _XOPEN_SOURCE"
[21:03] <SiB_2> Sorry to bother you... I guess this is what you get when you develop the same code on a different platform than your target :P
[21:04] <ochosi> SiB_2: so you're working on something related to xubuntu in any way?
[21:05] <SiB_2> Not really. It's an assignment for school. The computer it has to run on runs Xubuntu, though.
[21:05] <SiB_2> I (and the prof) develop on a Mac, which is why neither of us included it in the base file.
[21:05] <SiB_2> It's just a basic calendar parser.
[21:06] <ochosi> a-ha
[21:06] <ochosi> well if you wanna develop something for xubuntu, that'd be most welcome (we're rather short on devs usually)
[21:07] <SiB_2> Ummm.. but what would I develop?
[21:07] <ochosi> depends on what you're interested in :)
[21:07] <ochosi> theoretically there's lots of stuff to do
[21:07] <ochosi> i guess starting with bug-fixes is always best
[21:09] <SiB_2> Good to know
[22:00] <SiB_2> Bye.


[07:12] <bilalakhtar> .channel list
[07:12] <bilalakhtar> Sorry for that
[12:02] <godbyk> Morning, thorwil.
[12:02] <thorwil> hi godbyk
[12:05] <thorwil> godbyk: what was the utc time of the meetings again?
[12:05] <godbyk> Um.. 5 minutes ago. :)
[12:05] <godbyk> I just pinged mpt to see if he's going to join us.
[12:05] <godbyk> I haven't see anyone else around yet.
[12:06] <godbyk> haven't seen, rather.
[12:06] <godbyk> (It's gonna be a bad typing day..)
[12:07] <godbyk> Hey, wers.


[20:47] <RikMills> https://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2021/DebConf21/debconf21-140-state-of-kdeplasma-in-debian.webm


[01:26] <elhoir> hello guys, coulñd you tell me what exactly are the linux-tools-* packages?
[01:26] <elhoir> what kind of tools?
[04:14] <bubbasaures> .
[04:53] <dns53> i'm trying to upgrade using do-release-upgrade -d and it is having problems calculating the upgrade, is there something i should try to debug it?
[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:47] <elfy> morning
[08:54] <lordievader> Hey elfy, how are you this Saturday morning?
[08:57] <elfy> excellent thanks :)
[08:57] <elfy> you?
[08:57] <lordievader> Doing good here :), it's a nice day, sun in shining :)
[08:57] <elfy> wish it was here - it's not raining though :)
[09:36] <freddy__> clear
[10:32] <vitimiti> hi
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:36] <rymate1234> hey I got a bug in the ubuntu 14.10 daily image http://images.rymate.co.uk/images/dsOYCo5.png
[12:37] <elfy> that's a screenshot of the system monitor
[12:42] <BluesKaj> rymate1234, best to describe your bug first
[12:42] <rymate1234> can you not see the black rectangles around the graphs
[12:43] <BluesKaj> not everyone uses your desktop so we can't see anything wrong
[12:47] <rymate1234> I get the same visual bug in a vm though http://images.rymate.co.uk/images/vv25zhX.png
[12:47] <rymate1234> so it can't just be "my pc"
[12:54] <BluesKaj> one has to expect the odd bug on a devel OS, altho it doesn't seem too serious you can file a bug if you wish
[13:10] <richardP> Hi all! I tried to boot into Ubuntu Next (Unity8) from USB, but the screen is not on the right postion: Screenshot: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9l5uq90yqbms6y/IMG_20140927_150353.jpg?dl=0
[13:10] <richardP> Any idea?
[13:15] <lordievader> richardP: Wrong display setting?
[13:15] <richardP> but how can I change it?
[13:16] <richardP> I can't login, because I can't click to the skip intro button
[13:16] <lordievader> richardP: xrandr?
[13:16] <richardP> i'll try it, reboot
[13:18] <BluesKaj> was going to suggest f6
[13:21] <lordievader> f6? No modeset?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> options to boot with no acpi , nomodeset etc
[13:31] <kbroulik> is there at least a ppa that provides qt 5.3.2 for kubuntu utopic? I'm tired of having an outdated qt 5.3.0 version with all kinds of weird bugs that have been fixed months ago.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> kbroulik, so what makes you think a newer version will be bug free?
[13:34] <bipul> Hello, I am unable to intall Ubuntu14.10 on my Virtualbox.
[13:36] <elfy> bipul: unable to install at all - or get bug 1371651 ?
[13:40] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, nomodeset wouldn't work with Mir.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, well maybe the other options will
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, thought it was Xmir anyway
[13:42] <lordievader> Daekdroom: Why not? I thought nomodeset was a kernel thing?
[13:43] <bipul> elfy: Even i have also reported that issue.
[13:43] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, XMir can only be used with Mir, as a means to make X-compiled apps work with Mir.
[13:43] <Daekdroom> lordievader, yes, but it's currently necessary for direct rendering, which is a pre-requisite for Mir.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> aamof lordievader I think it is, it bypasses the kernel module iirc
[13:44] <lordievader> Daekdroom: Ok, thanks.
[13:44] <elfy> bipul: bug number?
[13:45] <bipul> elfy: 1374754
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, then that's unfortunate, makes more difficult to boot with some gpus
[13:46] <BluesKaj> fortunately i don't use Unity
[13:46] <elfy> bipul: can't find it
[13:46] <elfy> bug 1374754
[13:46] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, yes. Mir basically only works with opensource drivers that use KMS, right now. Closed-source ones will get support later (if at all, depending on whether Nvidia and AMD care)
[13:49] <bipul> elfy: yes
[13:49] <elfy> bipul: read it now - different issue
[13:50] <bipul> sorry i don't get you?
[13:50] <elfy> nvm - can't help you I'm afraid
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, maybe nvidia will help develop drivers for Mir, but support from amd/ati historically hasn't been as good so there may be problems with their gpus
[13:51] <elfy> tgm4883: you got a minute?
[13:51] <tgm4883> elfy: whats up?
[13:53] <elfy> PM'd you
[16:30] <Bluefoxicy> ugh
[16:30] <Bluefoxicy> Chromium needs a print option for media type, instead of hacking through the page with the developer tools and deleting all media=screen attributes and media=print tags
[17:00] <tux_> anyone use steam on 14.10 ?
[17:06] <jtaylor> <
[18:11] <ICantLinux> 14.10 updated yesterday (minor kernel update?) and now my display is no more. :(
[18:20] <BluesKaj> ICantLinux, which gpu?
[18:21] <ICantLinux> r9 280x. Was running mesa 10.3 from the x-staging ppa.
[18:21] <ICantLinux> (and xorg 1.16)
[18:23] <ObrienDave> intel graphics?
[18:29] <BluesKaj> amd gaming card, unfortunately, and support is tough to come by these days
[18:33] <ICantLinux> From what I can remember, grub and the kernel were updated. Don't remember the other updates. Strangely enough, glxinfo properly detects my GPU.
[19:00] <ICantLinux> Any way to revert Xorg to 1.15 (so I can attempt installing the proprietary drivers)?
[19:04] <lordievader> ICantLinux: Why do you need to revert Xorg for that?
[19:04] <ICantLinux> Catalyst beta doesn't support 1.16, unfortunately.
[19:06] <lordievader> Where did you read that? Usually they depend on version >=x
[19:07] <lordievader> Ah nvm, spotted it.
[19:07] <lordievader> I guess you are stuck with the open source driver on Utopic.
[19:38] <ICantLinux> Yup. Might have to try a kernel update. If the drivers still refuse to cooperate, it's back to 14.04.
[19:39] <Nothing_Much> ICantLinux: What happened?
[19:39] <Nothing_Much> Do you have specs?
[19:40] <lordievader> Nothing_Much: The AMD driver page specifies it. The beta driver only supports up to 3.13.
[19:41] <Nothing_Much> Then he needs to stick to the radeonsi driver
[19:41] <Nothing_Much> But specs would still be nice
[19:41] <Nothing_Much> APU or GPU, specifically
[19:41] <ICantLinux> Utopic updated yesterday. Installed kernel 3.16.0-18 along with some other minor updates. Can no longer boot to any display (monitor loses input after grub screen).
[19:41] <lordievader> Nothing_Much: That's what I said ;)
[19:42] <Nothing_Much> lordievader: Yes, but what is it? APU or GPU?
[19:42] <Nothing_Much> I have an APU and radeonSI runs perfectly fine
[19:42] <lordievader> 27-20:21 < ICantLinux> r9 280x. Was running mesa 10.3 from the x-staging ppa.
[19:42] <Nothing_Much> Oh okay
[19:42] <ICantLinux> Nothing_Much the latest beta supports >= 3.16. I currently have the radeon driver installed, but neither the default version or oibaf can fix the issue.
[19:43] <Nothing_Much> I think I missed the issue
[19:43] <Nothing_Much> What's up?
[19:43] <lordievader> ICantLinux: By the by, the package provided by Ubuntu doesn't work?
[19:44] <ICantLinux> Nope.
[19:44] <Nothing_Much> What package?
[19:44] <lordievader> The amd proprietary driver package.
[19:44] <Nothing_Much> Ah
[19:44] <ICantLinux> hmmm...
[19:44] <Nothing_Much> Yeah.. AMD just made an announcement that they want to know what's wrong with their driver
[19:45] <Nothing_Much> So they can fix it up and stuff
[19:45] <Nothing_Much> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNHlIZ4F9Jc
[19:45] <ICantLinux> Default proprietary drivers don't support Utopic (no 3.16 kernel support) :(
[19:45] <Nothing_Much> Not even the updates-* one?
[19:45] <lordievader> That is somewhat strange at this point...
[19:45] <ICantLinux> Neither do IIRC.
[19:46] <Nothing_Much> Was there an xorg.conf in /etc/X11/?
[19:47] <ICantLinux> There's no xorg.conf. I've removed all the extraneous backups that the proprietary drivers generate as well.
[19:49] <ICantLinux_> Just tried resuming boot from safe mode. Everything works (albeit at a low resolution), but still can't boot normally.
[19:56] <Nothing_Much> ICantLinux: It's because you're not using the drive
[19:56] <Nothing_Much> r
[19:56] <Nothing_Much> It's using vesa I think, which is the basic video driver just to output the basic necessities
[19:56] <ICantLinux> How can I tell which driver I'm using?
[19:57] <lordievader> ICantLinux: lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA
[19:57] <ICantLinux> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti XT [Radeon HD 7970/8970 OEM / R9 280X]
[20:01] <ICantLinux> lordievader: X log contains no trace of radeon, but that could be because of safe booting.
[20:05] <lordievader> ICantLinux: Only one line of output? If so it is vesa.
[20:06] <ICantLinux> I'll try restarting and booting normally to get a better log. Might have to ssh though.
[20:14] <ICantLinux> lordievader: Even without quiet splash in kernel boot params, I get nothing. Not a thing. After grub screen, my monitor just loses input.
[20:14] <lordievader> ICantLinux: Try the nomodeset kernel parameter.
[20:15] <ICantLinux> Will do.
[20:19] <ICantLinux> lordievader: nomodeset appears to have made some sort of progress. I get an Ubuntu purple bar covering the first third of the screen, a black bar covering the second and miscellaneous noise along the last third.
[20:21] <lordievader> ICantLinux: This is still (trying) to use the AMD driver I suppose?
[20:22] <ICantLinux> Indeed. Still on the open source driver. Not sure if vesa is being used, however, as I can't even get to a shell.
[20:22] <lordievader> Err, with AMD I ment the closed-source one...
[20:23] <lordievader> ICantLinux: If you add 'text' as a kernel parameter do you get to a tty then?
[20:23] <ICantLinux> I don't think I CAN use fglrx. Will try.
[20:31] <ICantLinux> lordievader: Booting with text freezes after "Stopping userspace bootsplash"
[20:33] <lordievader> ICantLinux: Hmm, I guess you are out of luck. (In other words, I don't know how I can help you)
[20:34] <ICantLinux> I guess I'll just fiddle with grub until something (hopefully) works out. Thanks for your help :)
[20:45] <vitimiti> Hi
[21:52] <peepTV> apt-get remove bash
[21:53] <jtaylor> yeah, don't do that ..
[21:55] <peepTV> remote feature relly on bash
[21:59] <Daekdroom> ...?
[22:09] <peepTV> and cgi


[00:12] <CaponeBH> Hey guys, how are you all?
[00:14] <CaponeBH> Does anybody know how can i make my windows get on fire when i close them? its with beryl right?
[03:49] <kenbo> Hello
[03:53] <holstein> hey kenbo
[04:25] <kenbo> Anybody here into RoseGarden?
[04:25] <holstein> i do very little midi
[04:26] <holstein> but when i do, its rosegarden
[04:26] <holstein> kenbo: check out #opensourcemusicians
[04:26] <kenbo> If so how do you get some good instruments into/out of it?
[04:26] <kenbo> I'm logged into that
[04:32]  * holstein going to bed
[04:32] <holstein> kenbo: you need some soft synths
[04:32] <holstein> some sounds for rosegarde
[04:32] <holstein> n
[04:32] <holstein> soundfonts
[04:33] <holstein> lots of MIDI guys in #opensourcemusicians
[04:33] <holstein> laterz
[05:57] <kenbo> thanks holstein
[11:54] <pog> I'm interested in "music with linux". I'm like to find out how to recieve a note/tone and let's say generate interactively a chord, which I can control wie comuterkeybord, for example minor or major and variants.
[11:54] <pog> a first step would be to programm music, without interaction.
[11:56] <pog> I'm looking also for an easy possibilty, to capture notes with my Roland E15 and output it as an ascii File, to use in ABC Notation.
[11:59] <folken_houhoubir> Hello
[12:00] <folken_houhoubir> I have a to install Ubuntu Studio on a computer (Intel 920 2.66Ghz, 6Gb of RAMà wich distribution should i choose ?
[12:04] <folken_houhoubir> 'ellooooo, somebody alive here ?  Oo''
[12:05] <astraljava> folken_houhoubir: Please read the topic. Not everyone's watching all the time.
[12:05] <astraljava> folken_houhoubir: What do you mean "which distribution"?
[12:05] <astraljava> folken_houhoubir: Ubuntu Studio _is_ the distribution.
[12:13] <folken_houhoubir> red2kic@#ubuntu> Yes. amd64 is an acceptable term for x86-64
[12:14] <folken_houhoubir> it was about the version
[12:14] <folken_houhoubir> but got an answer :)
[12:14] <folken_houhoubir> astraljava> yes, you were right, my mistake about asking the wrong way :)
[12:15] <astraljava> folken_houhoubir: Okay, yeah I would suggest using the amd64 as well with those specs.
[12:38] <lau1> same here otherwise memory will be unused
[13:09] <folken_houhoubir> Gotta go, bye bye
[15:23] <psidrum> anyone know a program in linux that can slice images and export them as html similar to fireworks
[20:21] <Metrahla> is there any app to record both video and Audio ?
[20:54] <holstein> hey Metrahla
[20:54] <holstein> what is the goal?
[20:54] <holstein> the final product?
[20:54] <holstein> i have used http://www.ustream.tv/
[20:55] <holstein> an online service
[20:55]  * holstein doesnt do much video
[20:55] <holstein> http://projects.gnome.org/cheese/
[20:56] <holstein> cheese pretty much does all i need as far as video
[20:57] <_guitarman_> Metrahla: there's a new webcam app
[20:57] <_guitarman_> lemme dig it up
[20:58] <holstein> _guitarman_: is it the one included?
[20:58] <_guitarman_> could this be it... nope you d/l it
[20:58] <_guitarman_> http://sourceforge.net/projects/webcamstudio/
[20:58] <holstein> pitivi?
[20:58] <holstein> http://www.pitivi.org/
[20:59] <holstein> i havent even launched it yet
[21:05] <_guitarman_> it depends if you want to do a live capture or just video editing
[21:05] <_guitarman_> pitivi, kdenlive
[21:05] <_guitarman_> are video editors
[21:06] <holstein> i was hoping the 'anything in' described on the pitivi site meant the video card in capture
[21:06] <holstein> or web-cam
[21:06] <holstein> HEY
[21:06] <holstein> speaking of that
[21:06] <holstein> VLC does webcam capture AFAIK
[21:17] <_guitarman_> yup
[21:17] <_guitarman_> i've streamed mine to icecast
[21:18] <holstein> i still havent figured that out ;)
[21:18] <holstein> i remember seeing you do it though
[21:18] <_guitarman_> yeah, quality was shit mind you
[21:37] <Metrahla> ok ty
[21:42] <skx> Hello, I installed Ubuntu Studio on my desktop with geforce 6600 and after installing recommended restriced drivers X server doesn't start.
[21:42] <skx> is there any quick fix or do I need to edit xorg.conf? ;\
[21:43] <rlameiro> skx: which kernel are you using?
[21:43] <skx> latest
[21:43] <rlameiro> RT?
[21:43] <rlameiro> or the generic that comes with ubuntustudio?
[21:43] <skx> preempt, yes
[21:43] <skx> 2.6.32-22-preempt
[21:43] <rlameiro> well, i dont know how to do it
[21:44] <skx> is it different for different kernels?
[21:44] <rlameiro> but some discussion about nvidia drivers problms took place on the mailing list
[21:44] <skx> I would just like to roll back to default, open drivers
[21:44] <rlameiro> skx: yes, because the drivers are closely tied to the kernel
[21:44] <skx> mhm
[21:44] <astraljava> skx: Can't you disable the restricted drivers?
[21:45] <skx> astraljava, I probably can, I just don't know how :)
[21:45] <rlameiro> skx: enter in recovery mode
[21:45] <astraljava> System > Administration > Hardware drivers
[21:45] <astraljava> Oh, duh!
[21:45] <skx> astraljava, I don't have GUI
[21:45] <rlameiro> and then run jockey in command line
[21:45]  * astraljava shuts up now.
[21:45] <rlameiro> jockey is the app that install the restricted drivers
[21:45] <skx> I have access to the CLI, sure, I can login
[21:46] <skx> and there's a text mode, thanks
[21:46] <rlameiro> jockey-text
[21:46] <skx> maybe I shouldn't have installed the "current" drivers :\
[21:47] <skx> jockey-text returns nothing except for some error about gtk :\
[21:47] <rlameiro> well, if you dont need it, try to use the nouveau drivers
[21:47] <skx> yeah, how do I do it?
[21:48] <rlameiro> jockey-text -l to list the drivers
[21:48] <rlameiro> or run jockey-text -h to see the options
[21:49] <rlameiro> i think you can run jockey in diferent license modes
[21:49] <rlameiro> so it will try to install oly free drivers if you select it
[21:49] <skx> yeah, thaks
[21:50] <skx> there are no free drivers available here but I think I can disable the ones I use
[21:50] <rlameiro> well disable it, and search for them in aptitude
[21:50] <rlameiro> sudo aptitude
[21:50] <skx> ok, disabled, reboot
[21:52] <skx> I think it worked, thanks
[21:52] <rlameiro> ok
[21:52] <skx> ok, let's try the not-current branch :)
[21:52] <rlameiro> i was going to tell you to do apt-cache search nvidia |more
[21:52] <rlameiro> and search the package you want and then apt-get it
[21:52] <rlameiro> :D
[21:53] <skx> I'm a little more comfortable with GUI in this resort, thanks again though
[21:53] <rlameiro> np :D me too, but if you dont have GUI it comes handy
[21:54] <skx> anyway, I expected some problems with x86_64 anyway
[21:58] <skx> and the 173 drivers failed me too, I guess opensource it is ;)
[21:58] <skx> no, it's fine
[21:58] <skx> hm
[21:59] <rlameiro> try to search the ubuntustudio mailing list
[21:59] <rlameiro> the last days/week people talked about it
[21:59] <skx> no, I'm ok, just the splash looks like crap
[21:59] <skx> everything else is fine
[21:59] <astraljava> I always had success with envy-ng for nVidia drivers, but it's not included in Lucid anymore, is it?
[22:00] <rlameiro> well, the splash was made by ScottL, he made it in little time, and after the deadline... due to the change to plymouth
[22:00] <skx> the newest drivers before current went through
[22:03] <skx> suspend works too, Ubuntu Studio seems great
[22:04] <rlameiro> nice
[22:04] <rlameiro> :D
[22:04] <rlameiro> if you can/want hang in here (channel) we need to expand the channel and have more posble helpers :D
[22:05] <skx> I'll stay, sure
[22:09] <rlameiro> going to sleep now
[22:09] <rlameiro> bye
[23:33] <skx> does the preemptive kernel excludes using any shares over the network? sshfs and samba seem not to work properly and just hang when listing the contents of mounted shares
[23:34] <skx> in general it seems unstable
[23:42] <ShadeS>  /win 19
[23:43] <ShadeS> fail