[17:01] <ubot2> AndrewMC called the ops in #ubuntu-beginners ()
[19:26] <GPenguin> hello. is this the right place to discuss #ubuntu-de affairs, my channel ban and things like that?
[19:29] <Mohan_chml> GPenguin: First of all, who banned you? what you did which forced them to ban you?
[19:29] <erUSUL> GPenguin: if the #ubuntu-de those not have an operator channel and you couldn't discuss it with an opearator in private ....
[19:30] <GPenguin> i dont remember who placed the ban, it lasts since a few months
[19:30] <GPenguin> i was observing #ubuntu-de to that time. and there was a hostile climate. newbies were treated in a rude way
[19:31] <GPenguin> so i voiced my complaint and was called a troll, etc.
[19:32] <GPenguin> as far as i remember, the german channel ops expected me to follow the ubuntu code of conduct while they ignored it
[19:33] <GPenguin> so i ranted on #freenode about abusive people who should not run #ubuntu-de
[19:33] <Pici> GPenguin: #ubuntu-de-ops exists.  None of us here currently can help you with your ban, so no need to explain the circumstances.
[19:34] <GPenguin> i dont think i can resolve this with the german people
[19:34] <GPenguin> and i would like to read first, how these channels are run actually
[19:34] <GPenguin> maybe the whole problem can be solved by renaming the channels to ##ubuntu-de
[19:35] <rww> I don't think encouraging the use of ##*ubuntu* is a good idea, personally.
[19:37] <GPenguin> from an official support channel i expect, that new people are treated nicely, because they are potential helpers and contributors
[19:37] <GPenguin> the problem is that multiple channels ops dont know "nice" at all
[19:38] <GPenguin> they think its about asking smart questions or about showing respect for people with access, etc.
[19:38] <GPenguin> not really a fit for the ubuntu philosophy
[19:38] <GPenguin> but maybe i am mistaken and this has officially changed
[19:39] <Mohan_chml> GPenguin: please ask about your bans in #ubuntu-de-ops and people here can't help you with that.
[19:39] <GPenguin> whats the next level higher to this place here?
[19:39] <Pici> GPenguin: You need to talk to the #ubuntu-de ops first.
[19:40] <GPenguin> i wasted a lot of time with those german people already
[19:40] <GPenguin> so when this place here is not the right place, whats the next level higher?
[19:49] <GPenguin> would it help my case if i get a few people to blog about it?
[19:50] <GPenguin> maybe the community manager should be made aware of this
[19:50] <k1l> GPenguin: u escalated this here already on march 2nd.
[19:50] <GPenguin> yeah, because some of you think this is a funny game
[19:50] <GPenguin> you move me from one channel to another one and the problem is not resolved
[19:51] <GPenguin> on the one side you and your marketing department are asking more and more people to come to IRC. but on the other side, some people are not ready to handle these people properly
[19:51] <k1l> no, because of your behavior you got banned from the german ubuntu channels. you were swearing at people. so you couldnt stay in there
[19:51] <GPenguin> i dont care about the channel ban
[19:52] <Pici> Then?
[19:52] <GPenguin> i care about those people who will get abused every day
[19:52] <GPenguin> newbies who might ask a stupid question
[19:52] <GPenguin> people who are seeking guidance
[19:53] <GPenguin> i dont get why a certain type of personality gets all the IRC jobs here, when these are not capable of running "social", "friendly" and "nice" places
[19:53] <GPenguin> nobody needs help robots who process tickets as fast as possible
[19:53] <k1l> and what is about your problems with the german ubuntu-de mailing list. and the problems with the debian channels and mailin list. and freenode itself? dont you think your behavour leads to alle these problems?
[19:54] <GPenguin> k1l: the fact that i suffer from schizophrenia and the fact that i have a long history on IRC should not matter too much, because i can name you more than 10 people who supported me in march, when i voiced these problems
[19:55] <GPenguin> k1l: and as far as i can see, you are not even a _member_
[19:55] <rww> Ubuntu membership or lack thereof has little to do with this issue.
[19:56] <GPenguin> oh yes?
[19:56] <GPenguin> thats interesting
[19:56] <k1l> but one one hand you say one problem is that newbies might get a rude answer. but on the other hand you say its ok to insult others.
[19:56] <GPenguin> what?
[19:57] <GPenguin> now _you_ feel insulted, oh no. i am sorry.
[19:57] <k1l> just to make it clear: i am an op of #ubuntu-de*
[19:57] <GPenguin> i dont care about your access
[19:58] <k1l> and everyone here can have a look at their backlog if they want to know what happend back then
[19:58] <GPenguin> my point was and still is, that #ubuntu-de is picking up the negative attitude of #debian.de
[19:58] <GPenguin> and i can wait till i am having an interview with the right people
[19:59] <GPenguin> #debian.de #ubuntu-de and #gentoo.de are famous for their abusive way of treating newbies
[19:59] <Fuchs> GPenguin: basically you had interviews with 4 different teams, and none of them supported you, so: maybe sit down and think for a few minutes whether the problem is not on our side
[20:00] <GPenguin> Fuchs: i had 10 people back in march who came to me in private and said "finally, somebody who picks it up"
[20:00] <GPenguin> lets see if we can get all of them to write a blog article
[20:00] <Fuchs> GPenguin: we had a few dozens being glad that you got banned ... so I guess I won't count this as an argument
[20:01] <Fuchs> (for the record: I am an operator in the german ubuntu channels plus in the ubuntuusers portal channels)
[20:01] <GPenguin> Fuchs: one more proof for the antisocial nature of some people
[20:01] <GPenguin> whats your full name please?
[20:01] <k1l> GPenguin: the point where you disqualified for the channels was where you did refuse to stick to channelrules and discuss this in the offtopic channel for example, so that the regular support can go on.
[20:02] <GPenguin> k1l: no
[20:02] <k1l> GPenguin: sure
[20:02] <GPenguin> k1l: you keep trying to discuss my ban while thats not the main focus
[20:02] <GPenguin> nur um mich zu defamieren
[20:02] <GPenguin> ein weiteres zeichen weshalb leute wie du unfähig sind solche channels zu leiten
[20:02] <Fuchs> GPenguin: it is the main focus.  Whether or not they do also has nothing to do with this issue that I can see.
[20:05] <GPenguin> rww: he brought up my history with freenode and debian. thats why his identity is essential
[20:05] <GPenguin> i have no problem to openly discuss my schizophrenia. but i talk this face to face. not with anonymous morons
[20:06] <GPenguin> and not with _teenagers_
[20:07] <Fuchs> \o/   I feel a lot younger now :)
[20:07] <GPenguin> see. attitude problem. its not just me here :-))
[20:07] <Fuchs> GPenguin: anyway, if you think that you get help by insulting random people in many different IRC channels (I count 5 so far): Just keep going
[20:07] <GPenguin> asperger type personalities always have issues with schizophrenics :-)))
[20:07] <k1l> GPenguin: i brought up yyour history with debian and freenode, because others might want to know, whats behind your acting. im not a teenager, i got a lot of social life. and because u wont stop insulting im out of this discussion
[20:07] <Tm_T> GPenguin: stop that unconstructive namecalling
[20:08] <GPenguin> Fuchs: i insulted 5 people while i talk to 2 people? how is that possible?
[20:09] <Fuchs> 5 IRC channels. In 3 of them you are banned since a long time. But anyway, I guess the others here get the picture anyway.
[20:09] <GPenguin> Tm_T: the definition of aspergers is "not capable of handling social situations and conflicts" and its not name calling at all to label somebody as asperger if they are behaving that way
[20:09] <GPenguin> Tm_T: its pretty much the mirror disease to my schizophrenia
[20:10] <GPenguin> and thats why these people "love it" how things go
[20:10] <Tm_T> GPenguin: I know very well what asberger is, stop it
[20:10] <GPenguin> because they believe its about my person while its not
[20:10] <rww> Can you stop throwing around questionable psychological definitions and stick to the issue, please?
[20:10] <GPenguin> its about the protection, the guidance and care of newbies who enter #ubuntu-de
[20:11] <GPenguin> these typical germans made this a case of "we dont like _him_ as person. thats why we wont resolve the problem."
[20:11] <GPenguin> but its not about my person at all
[20:12] <GPenguin> its not about removing a channel ban :-)))
[20:12] <GPenguin> again: its about the protection, the guidance and care of newbies who enter #ubuntu-de
[20:13] <GPenguin> and after the experience of today i can only repeat: the best would be to rename the channel to ##ubuntu-de
[20:14] <GPenguin> so they can run this as private hobbby
[20:14] <GPenguin> but not as official ubuntu channel
[20:14] <GPenguin> the reason is simple: not capable of handling social situations and conflicts
[20:14] <charlie-tca> Wouldn't getting yourself unbanned be more benefit to those new people?
[20:15] <GPenguin> no
[20:15] <GPenguin> i could walk around the ban or stay out of there forever. both is fine. thats really not my point here.
[20:15] <GPenguin> german linux support channels are infamous for their antisocial and hostile climate
[20:16] <GPenguin> i dont see why Ubuntu has to be included
[20:16] <rww> Evading channel bans is a violation of freenode network policy. I don't recommend suggesting that you're going to "walk around the ban".
[20:16] <GPenguin> not with such a shiny marketing department, slogans, ethics, etc.
[20:16] <GPenguin> rww: you still dont get it?
[20:16] <GPenguin> rww: are you trying to _DISTRACT_ or resolve?
[20:18] <GPenguin> #ubuntu-de has the same negative reputation as #debian.de and #gentoo.de
[20:18] <GPenguin> and you guys are either going to help fix it
[20:18] <GPenguin> or you sign for the wrong side
[20:18] <GPenguin> either on my costs, on costs of my schizophrenia or only because you like Ubuntu
[20:19] <GPenguin> for Debian i lost my battle
[20:19] <GPenguin> but thats not your business
[20:19] <GPenguin> i will keep to battle for social places
[20:21] <GPenguin> because thats how the whole community works. you join a _peaceful_ and _friendly_ place and get hooked up. you wanna be part of the community. you become a helper and contributor
[20:21] <GPenguin> but what #ubuntu-de teaches their newbies is how to become a bastard operator from hell
[20:22] <GPenguin> thats a real shame that some do still not get how this was a parody
[20:22] <GPenguin> thats why the reference to the asperger syndrome
[20:22] <GPenguin> because that is _so_ obvious
[20:23] <GPenguin> what healthy person is dreaming of becoming a bastard operator from hell
[20:23] <highvoltage> wow you sure do a lot of name-calling.
[20:26] <m4v> we had this discussion here before, and we didn't get nowhere...
[20:27] <GPenguin> highvoltage: i dont think you know what namecalling actually is
[20:28] <GPenguin> on your behalf you are all sensible
[20:28] <GPenguin> but you have no problems to point with the finger on old problems, old bans, my schizophrenia, etc.
[20:28] <Tm_T> GPenguin: this is last warning, stop the namecalling, or all your references to asperger
[20:28] <GPenguin> thats very interesting
[20:29] <GPenguin> Tm_T: right, that was the last chance. i am addressing Mark now.
[20:29] <GPenguin> you will be looking forward to a set of interviews
[20:30] <Tm_T> good
[20:30] <GPenguin> you signed the code of conduct. you escalate.
[20:30] <m4v> you should try to tone down that attitude, is hard to take you seriously..
[20:30] <rww> who's "Mark"?
[20:30] <GPenguin> m4v: how serious you or others take me is not my business anymore
[20:31] <GPenguin> most important is, that we all have a log
[20:31] <GPenguin> and we are going to discuss the log on as many platforms as possible
[20:31] <Pici> We?
[20:31] <GPenguin> then we are going to see how illegal it is to talk about the Aspergers Syndrome
[20:32] <GPenguin> it will be in the center of discussions like my schizophrenia
[20:32] <GPenguin> because Ubuntu is also about people :-)))
[20:32] <GPenguin> Jono Bacon knows
[20:33] <GPenguin> a few others know, too
[20:33] <ts2> I'm sure they'll point you in the direction of the relevant council(s)
[20:33] <GPenguin> and a lot more people will have to learn that support is about being social, not about being a perfect robot
[20:34] <Fuchs> ts2: we already directed him to the IRC council
[20:34] <GPenguin> those who dream about becoming a perfectionist, robot-like thing can join the Debian or Gentoo community :-)))
[20:34] <ts2> however, I think this discussion has stopped being productive now, GPenguin
[20:34] <GPenguin> or attend therapy sessions
[20:34] <GPenguin> i do attent therapy sessions. no shame in that
[20:35] <Tm_T> I would rather discuss the actual topic in productive manner
[20:35] <GPenguin> Fuchs: still waiting for your full identity
[20:35] <Fuchs> GPenguin: you won't get it
[20:35] <Fuchs> GPenguin: I see no reason nor obligation in giving it to you, sorry.
[20:36] <GPenguin> its the due respect
[20:36] <GPenguin> i talk to you as real person. you address me.
[20:36] <ts2> it's his right to deny your request
[20:36] <GPenguin> you do it with your real identity or you move
[20:36] <Fuchs> if you can talk to me without insulting, we can talk about respect. In the meantime I'd say we try focussing on the topic.
[20:36] <charlie-tca> Respect is earned, not a right
[20:36] <xteejx> What's all this then?
[20:36] <xteejx> lol
[20:36] <GPenguin> what a load of nonesense we are fishing now
[20:37] <GPenguin> EOF.
[20:38] <GPenguin> ah, one thing. i almost forgot. we do have permission to publish the full log or do we need to walk around this problem by using quotes?
[20:38] <tsimpson> it
[20:38] <rww> !1984
[20:38] <Pici> rww: :)
[20:38] <GPenguin> very nice, thank you
[20:39] <rww> (#ubuntu-irc is on the first site, #ubuntu-de the second)
[20:39] <GPenguin> "anonymous jerks tried to troll poor me, schizophrenic, most hated, ..."
[20:39] <m4v> GPenguin: cut that off
[20:39] <GPenguin> make me
[20:40] <topyli> yes, please :)
[20:40] <GPenguin> topyli: hey, your name sounds like a good song. what do you think about the social agenda of this nice community?
[20:40] <tsimpson> GPenguin: that's off topic for this channel
[20:41] <GPenguin> it is?
[20:41] <GPenguin> bummer
[20:41] <GPenguin> will have to move that to other platforms aswell
[20:41] <tsimpson> very well
[20:41] <GPenguin> at least i am not going to be a bored blogger anytime soon
[20:42] <GPenguin> and i _will_ find out about the identity of several people
[20:42] <rww> Well, that's creepy.
[20:42] <GPenguin> thats my right
[20:42] <tsimpson> you don't do anything illegal
[20:42] <GPenguin> like that is topic here, what i do and what i better dont do
[20:43] <GPenguin> if somebody is hiding behind an anonymous way of being but trying so hard to give me a bad reputation, only to cover his rotten self, well sorry. i am not playing fair on this one
[20:44] <GPenguin> its not like we all are taking part in some game
[20:44] <GPenguin> this is real
[20:44] <tsimpson> this is IRC
[20:44] <GPenguin> its still real
[20:44] <GPenguin> no law-free zone
[20:44] <GPenguin> no playground for Aspergers
[20:45] <tsimpson> seriously, that's enough now
[20:57] <niko> +z is useless here no ?
[20:57] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-irc, niko said: +z is useless here no ?
[20:57] <niko> ubot4: thanks, i noticed
[20:57] <ubot4> niko: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[20:58] <Pici> niko: does it hurt?
[20:59] <niko> people could not notice they are quieted
[21:00] <tomaw> ie, the ircd won't tell people the message wasn't sent if the channel is +z
[21:11] <nhandler> niko, tomaw: ^^^
[21:11] <m4v> chanserv doesn't give a notice when you're being quieted anyway?
[21:11] <nhandler> m4v: It only notices if the quiet affects a large number of users iirc
[21:11] <niko> m4v: when you are quieted, not when you join later
[21:12] <niko> nhandler: you talk about public notice
[21:12] <m4v> ok, point taken
[21:12] <tomaw> it notices the victim(s) if that's four or less people, otherwise the channel
[21:12] <tsimpson> and chanserv will only give you a notice if you use it to quite (not /mode +q manually)
[21:13] <tsimpson> *them, not you
[21:14] <guntbert> nhandler: may I draw your attention to Markell in #freenode?


[13:13] <wgrant> lifeless: Is there a tarball for testresources 0.2.5 somewhere?
[13:14] <wgrant> It's apparently released, but I see no files.
[13:32] <lifeless> wgrant: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/testresources
[13:35] <wgrant> lifeless: Ah, thanks.
[14:21] <lifeless> wgrant: np
[16:15] <jml_> anyone around?
[16:22] <jelmer> hey jml_
[16:24] <lifeless> jml_: FSVO
[16:24] <jml_> lifeless: thanks. following up w/ jelmer
[23:17] <lifeless> anyone around ?
[23:17]  * lifeless needs to double check a small zcml/zope thing
[23:17] <lifeless> specifically, how can I be sure a template is not being used ?
[23:19]  * mwhudson waves
[23:19] <mwhudson> lifeless: grepping for the template name should work i think?
[23:19] <lifeless> is just grepping on the configured name from the zcml sufficient ?
[23:19] <lifeless> e.g. lib/lp/answers/templates/questiontarget-portlet-latestquestions.pt is what I was looking at (which I found a use) - but the template name is not what is referenced :)
[23:19] <lifeless> yay indirection
[23:20] <mwhudson> i guess it can be pretty hard to tell
[23:22] <mwhudson> that template is pretty clearly used though
[23:22] <lifeless> indeed
[23:22] <lifeless> it is one of the culprits using memcache.
[23:25] <lifeless> (not that I object to memcache in principle, but its not being very helpful today
[23:25] <lifeless> low hit rate, some inappropriate uses, and we're not using it for *scale* we're using it for performance, which entirely misses the point of random access usage patterns.
[23:26] <mwhudson> yes
[23:30] <lifeless> yay, huge list of conflict :(
[23:31] <lifeless> oh, and no invalidation protocol
[23:31] <lifeless> so, lots of repeated user confusion


[17:05] <justdave> are there any tools other than loggerhead for viewing/searching contents of a bzr repo?
[17:05] <justdave> trying to ween our remaining users off of cvs and I have a couple still refusing to go because loggerhead doesn't do everything that bonsai does
[17:06] <justdave> wondering if there's anything fancier than loggerhead out there
[17:08] <jelmer> hi justdave
[17:08] <jelmer> justdave: There isn't anything fancier than loggerhead out there for Bazaar as far as I'm aware.
[17:22] <beuno> well
[17:22] <beuno> loggerhead is a web viewer
[17:22] <beuno> the local viewers are much fancier
[17:22] <beuno> qbzr and bzr-gtk
[17:22] <beuno> right?
[17:38] <justdave> passed those along, I'll see how convincing it is. :)
[17:38] <justdave> makes sense since you have a local copy of the repo when you branch
[19:06] <Jayden> Hi.  After a bzr checkout of a head, I drop back to a specific revision with `bzr revert -r###`, which I think is correct.  I notice that `bzr log` on the "reverted" tree STILL gives me log entries from ALL/newer revisions.  This is different than git, so suche wan't to ask -- is it expected for bzr?


[01:43] <xubuntu91w> hi everyone.  can i install more themes on xubuntu 16.04.04?
[01:46] <xangua> https://www.xfce-look.org
[01:47] <Unit193> I'd likely go with something in the repos instead.
[01:47] <xubuntu91w> xangua and Unit193 thanks
[01:48] <Unit193> Xubuntu 16.04 is sort of EOL though.
[04:28] <odranysa> Hello, everyone. Is anyone here alive? I don't know how to install a .tar.xz file, it's bugging me.
[04:30] <diogenes_> odranysa, that's an archive.
[04:31] <odranysa> I meant installing a program/application from a compressed .tar.xz file. Is there any file manager that can do it automatically for me?
[04:32] <odranysa> I mean, like Synaptic.
[04:34] <diogenes_> odranysa, only in manjaro uses tar.xz as package format (afaik), in ubuntu you only install packages that end in .deb, if you get an archive then most likely it has a source and instructions inside that you have to compile, so first step is to extract the archive and see what you get there.
[04:34] <Unit193> Well, a bunch of things could come in tarballs.  Precompiled applications, source (this is very common, Ubuntu uses it)
[04:35] <diogenes_> Unit193, right but you can't install any archive format with gdebi for instance, only .debs
[04:35] <Unit193> Sure.
[04:36] <Unit193> That sort of presumes gdebi is the only way to install something, but sure.
[04:37] <diogenes_> i brought gdebi as an example sicne i'm not gonna list all the available installers, they all do the same thing.
[04:37] <diogenes_> since*
[04:37] <odranysa> diogenes_ Look, I want to install Sway but it comes in .tar.xz only, the same happened with Toxic and a lot of other programs I want installed. It's frightening me out because the YouTube tutorials I follow don't solve anything. In fact, it's worsening my migration process...
[04:38] <Unit193> !info sway disco
[04:38] <Unit193> !info sway eoan
[04:38] <Unit193> Huh, it's only in Debian experimental?  Unfortunate.
[04:38] <diogenes_> odranysa, the first thing is to extract the archive, you gonna get a folder, open the folder and tell me what's in there.
[04:38] <odranysa> Okay, I'm going to redownload it.
[04:40] <Unit193> Note: sway requires a newer version of libjson-c than what is in Ubuntu.
[04:40] <odranysa> So what do?
[04:40] <odranysa> add-apt-repository ppa:samoilov-lex/swayapt updateapt install sway
[04:42] <odranysa> add-apt-repository ppa:samoilov-lex/sway - Got a "must be root to execute"Next ones are apt update and apt install sway, which I didn't even type
[04:48] <Bashing-om> odranysa: system call - in ubuntu got to "Super-User-Do" i.e. ' sudo add-apt-repository ppa:samoilov-lex/swayapt ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt install sway ' . :)
[04:52] <diogenes_> and pray for not breaking anything :) ^^
[04:54] <Bashing-om> odranysa: ^^ +1 :D
[04:54] <odranysa> Thank you Bashing.
[04:54] <odranysa> I'll do it now.
[04:55] <technolost> Let's see if I can't "break" Xubuntu as badly as I seem to be able to Winblow$
[04:55] <Bashing-om> !ppa | odranysa
[04:56] <odranysa> Thank you.
[04:59] <technolost> Is there any chance a PPA could break the system?
[05:03] <odranysa> No se ha podido localizar el paquete sway (Couldn't locate sway pack)
[05:03] <odranysa> Big F.
[05:07] <Bashing-om> odranysa: Yup , onlu for disci release - see: https://launchpad.net/~samoilov-lex/+archive/ubuntu/sway .
[05:07] <Bashing-om> only*
[05:07] <Bashing-om> disco* sheesshh L(
[05:08] <odranysa1> So, there's nothing I can do nor do I have the will to do it
[05:08] <odranysa1> BTW, is there any other useful WM as Sway that doesn't require the same amount of time to cry over?
[05:09] <odranysa1> I've been trying to rice Xfce to nearly no avail, not being able to play with the windows whenever needed is bugging me a bit
[05:09] <Bashing-om> odranysa1: Well, depends on the need - release upgrade to disco <- Maybe UNgood as that leaves the LTS path.
[05:11] <Bashing-om> odranysa1: For developments .. might be a good thought to dual boot.
[05:13] <odranysa1> Alright, Bashing-om, I am going now. See you sometime later, you're awesome. I'm going to have to stick to this channel a bit, I'm still a hard newbie. XOXO
[06:04] <friendlyGoat> i dont quite need help as its grown on me but i am confused about something that has happened. i got things fixed and all that on xubuntu which im really glad about but i updated and nothings broken but one things weirdly different. my splash screen when im first booting up is very simple with 4 loading dots and a tiny almost plain text xubuntu logo. and when i shutdown, theres the normal splash screen. what happened there an
[06:04] <friendlyGoat>  i go about fixing it/generally knowing what happened?
[06:05] <friendlyGoat> its grown on me a little bit but part of me still wants it fixed.
[06:16] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, it has to do with early KMS failing to load.
[06:16] <friendlyGoat> ahh, what would i have to do to get KMS to work again?
[06:17] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, run: cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:18] <diogenes_> paste here the link.
[06:20] <friendlyGoat> https://termbin.com/8dt9
[06:22] <diogenes_> everything seems fine there, first thing to try is to run: sudo update-initramfs -u and reboot afterwards, if that doesn't help then re-install plymouth, if that doesn't help then re-instaling the graphics driver.
[06:23] <friendlyGoat> alrighty thanks
[06:23] <diogenes_> np
[12:59] <odranysa> http://i.imgur.com/atpfRFk.png - Do you like my ricing? ^^
[14:24] <odranysa> Hello, everyone.
[14:29] <Alabalistic> hi
[17:16] <intensity> function key + f9 does not change brightness anymore. How do I fix it for xubuntu 19.04?
[17:41] <intensity> hi
[17:41] <intensity> function key + f9 does not change brightness anymore. How do I fix it for xubuntu 19.04?
[17:44] <intensity> +join #ubuntu
[20:06] <patek2404> Hi there! Im using Xubuntu 18.04.2 on my MacBook Air 2017 13 inch. I have got a problem when I close my MacBook open the laptop is turned off. Do I can get help?


[03:30] <balld> Hello everyone!  Can someone tell me the proper way to download or rather install the JDK libraries under Kubuntu..I have already downloaded the files, but it's in a rpm.bin file version and I'm really not sure how to extract/compile that file, or even if I have the right software already installed to do the job.
[05:48] <prgrmr> after update to dapper "javac" stop working
[07:42] <prgrmr> after update to dapper "javac" stop working, what can i do?
[07:59] <prgrmr> after update to dapper "javac" stop working, what can i do?


[01:14] <James_Epp> In Ubuntu 12.04's nautilus, I can go file - connect to server. Using lubuntu 12.04, is there a way to accomplish this same task using a GUI?
[01:14] <Unit193> Go > Network drives.
[01:14] <James_Epp> FTP server
[01:15] <Unit193> Might if you install gigolo.
[01:20] <James_Epp> Unit193: I'm not crazy about using Gigolo, as The goal is to be able to open files off an ftp server into libreoffice
[01:21] <Unit193> I saw.  Just type it into the URL bar (In libreoffice or pcmanfm)
[01:21] <James_Epp> Thanks for the help.
[01:23] <James_Epp> Yeah, as you can tell, I'm debating which one I am going to pick xD
[01:24] <Unit193> Nah, I hadn't noticed at all. ;)   Try both as a liveUSB, see what you like best.
[01:25] <James_Epp> I'm in virtual machines. The thing I have going on right now is ubuntu on a portable hard drive with all my programs on it. I have a clonezilla image of this on a dvd I carry around with me for backups. At home, I have my FTP server with all my schoolwork. I love it, but ubuntu can be slow.
[01:27] <James_Epp> I think xubuntu won, however.
[01:28] <Unit193> Why is that?
[01:28] <James_Epp> More familiar
[01:28] <Unit193> Alright.  And you may not want to use FTP, at least go with sftp.
[01:29] <James_Epp> I'm not too concerned, tbh
[01:30] <Unit193> Alrighty.
[01:33] <Unit193> Well, good luck!
[01:34] <James_Epp> Thank you!
[06:53] <thedoctar> hey
[06:53] <thedoctar> how do I get cpufreq to work
[06:53] <thedoctar> it's a pannel applet
[07:34] <user09390> Audio stuck on mute.  Chipset:   Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:36] <user09390> Alsamixer shows a master volume setting but I'm unable to increase volume.
[08:07] <qwertymn> hi, i upgraded to 13.04, and now after logging in, my desktop won't start anymore. It just shows a blue screen , that's it. Anyone an idea howto fix?
[08:26] <grano> hi
[10:23] <Lubuntenrico> hi ,my lubuntu doesn't save keyboard keys speed settings
[10:27] <Lubuntenrico> not even editing desktop.conf using gksudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[10:27] <Lubuntenrico> not even rebooting after that
[10:27] <Lubuntenrico> the settings keyboard delay and interval
[10:27] <Lubuntenrico> and the same thing for mouse settings
[10:28] <Lubuntenrico> please help me
[10:41] <Lubuntenrico> hi
[12:25] <Lubuntenrico> hi ,my lubuntu doesn't save keyboard keys speed settings
[12:25] <Lubuntenrico> not even editing desktop.conf using gksudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[12:25] <Lubuntenrico> not even rebooting after that
[12:25] <Lubuntenrico> the settings keyboard delay and interval
[12:26] <Lubuntenrico> and the same thing for mouse settings
[12:26] <Lubuntenrico> please help me
[12:33] <Bad_Dream> hi. im having problems with sudo and su. getting authentication failures
[12:34] <Bad_Dream> looked for help online but it was vague and im not sure wat the heck is going on
[12:44] <Bad_Dream> nvm i fixed it i think
[12:47] <Lubuntenrico> hi ,my lubuntu doesn't save keyboard keys speed settings
[12:47] <Lubuntenrico> not even editing desktop.conf using gksudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[12:47] <Lubuntenrico> not even rebooting after that
[12:51] <Lubuntenrico> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxinput/+bug/989430
[12:51] <Lubuntenrico> Reported by Jonas Hellström on 2012-04-27
[12:52] <Lubuntenrico> 1  year ago and
[12:52] <Lubuntenrico> nothing had been fixed since
[12:54] <Lubuntenrico> well is written also how to _How to circumvent the problem_
[13:05] <thor1> phillw dont have a off day;-)
[13:05] <thor1> you
[15:33] <Lubuntenrico> i like lubuntu
[15:33] <Lubuntenrico> more than others ,much better than kubuntu
[15:54] <holstein> !best
[15:54] <holstein> Lubuntenrico: glad you like it!
[17:55] <BenBE> I have a small issue on my Notebook with Lubuntu 13.04: When I mute the sound it is properly muted, but when I try to unmute it via keyboard there's no reaction.
[17:55] <holstein> BenBE: but, you can get it unmuted, correct?
[17:56] <BenBE> Yes, but only when clicking the tray icon with the mouse.
[17:56] <BenBE> Getting it muted works with the keyboard.
[17:57] <holstein> BenBE: i have seen that as well.. though, i had found a bug with xubuntu for pulse and xfce that did that..
[17:57] <BenBE> It worked previously, thus I'm wondering ...
[17:57] <holstein> looking for and following up on a proper bug report, or making one is the way to go
[17:58] <BenBE> I'm not yet convinced this actually is a bug - and even if I still don't know which package to file it against.
[17:59] <holstein> BenBE: alsa
[17:59] <holstein> BenBE: or at least, thats where i would start looking
[18:06] <BenBE> Seems to be known ... https://encrypted.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=amixer%20set%20master%20toggle%20not%20working&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugs.launchpad.net%2Fbugs%2F1026331&ei=dPyDUfb2G4iPtQag7ICABg&usg=AFQjCNGS4mkEz0J-UXFGr5NiCs2YUMWXEw&bvm=bv.45960087,d.Yms
[18:06] <BenBE> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1026331
[18:07] <holstein> BenBE: thats the pulseaudio one.. are you using pulseaudio?
[18:16] <BenBE> Yes.
[18:16] <BenBE> LXDE default configuration.
[18:16] <holstein> BenBE: lubuntu wasnt shipping with pulse.. if it is, you'll get that bug as well
[18:16] <BenBE> (System installed with 12.10 discs)
[18:32] <zacarias> Hi. I've been trying to load live cd's with 13.04 on my PowerPC mac. I've tried with Kubuntu and Lubuntu lice cd's. However, after the splash screen, booting freezes on a black screen with some messages, where the last one states "Stoping mount network filesystems". The only thing I can do is to enter a terminal prompt with Ctrl+Alt+F1. I currently have Kubuntu 12.04 installed on the machine, and that works well. I should add that the same problem has h
[18:38] <BenBE> Found a workaround for the issue: Had to manually set the toggle for Master Headphone and Speaker in lubuntu-rc.xml for the XF86AudioMute command key.
[18:38] <BenBE>     <keybind key="XF86AudioMute">
[18:38] <BenBE>         <action name="Execute">
[18:38] <BenBE>             <command>amixer -q -D pulse sset Master toggle</command>
[18:38] <BenBE>             <command>amixer -q -D pulse sset Headphone toggle</command>
[18:38] <BenBE>             <command>amixer -q -D pulse sset Speaker toggle</command>
[18:38] <BenBE>         </action>
[18:38] <BenBE>     </keybind>
[18:41] <genii-around> !pastebin
[18:53] <n-iCe> hello guys


[03:57] <[reed]> asac / fta: ping
[13:51] <fta> http://www.linux-foundation.org/events/node/50
[14:26] <MechtiIde> asac, ping
[14:43] <fta> http://www.flickr.com/photos/kwwii/2515965446/sizes/o/
[14:51] <fta> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/udsintrepid/
[18:41] <offby1> I _never_ normally ask this sort of question, because it's rude and annoying, but what the heck: when can we expect the released version of Firefox 3 to make it into Hardy?  I ask not because there's anything wrong with what I'm currently using (ff3b5), but purely out of curiosity.
[18:43] <fta> read bug 233922
[18:44] <fta> preview packages for hardy mentioned in comments 16 & 17
[18:44] <fta> preview for intrepid are in my own ppa
[18:53] <offby1> fta: thanks.
[20:04] <MechtiIde> wb asac
[20:20] <sebner> asac: ping
[20:21] <sebner> hmm ok to all of you. Is this a know issuse that under linux you can't do a http://- with firefox?
[20:21] <fta> ?
[20:21] <fta> what is a "http://-" ?
[20:22] <sebner> fta: a url which starts with a "-". it's not working under linux but with mac and windows it does
[20:23] <fta> is that even valid ? do you have an example ?
[20:29] <fta> sebner: according to RFC 2396, it's not valid.
[20:29] <fta> hm, gone


[08:15] <tumbleweed> ~
[08:15] <tumbleweed> grr
[08:15] <nigelb> Morning to you too tumbleweed :P
[08:16] <tumbleweed> :)
[23:28] <cjwatson> Riddell: when we eventually have sufficient API so that I can write an API version of queue, I won't duplicate that design error :-)
[23:29] <cjwatson> It used to be that you had to type 'queue accept "*"' to accept everything.  I forget why it was changed; I think it was a side-effect of a not very good attempt to fix other usability problems
[23:30] <cjwatson> I do actually have an LP branch in progress that might make an API queue client doable
[23:41] <Riddell> I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often


[00:26] <livingdaylight> so, when i attach an external usb hard drive and play either audio or video xubuntu crashes
[00:27] <livingdaylight> also my clock is completely wrong despite having set it to the right time zone
[00:30] <livingdaylight> anyone know anything about either problem
[00:50] <portokaosol> does anyone know how can I see what hardware drivers I am using, or how can I access some sort of a devices manager in Xubuntu?
[01:01] <bill> portokaosol: what is the issue you're having - there isn't anything like that in xubuntu
[01:02] <portokaosol> I am trying to see what drivers are assigned to my graphics card
[01:03] <portokaosol> since I think that there's no drivers for it
[01:04] <bill> portokaosol: what is the graphics card?
[01:05] <portokaosol> ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 IGP
[01:05] <bill> !ati | portokaosol
[01:07] <portokaosol> so basically, Restricted Driver Manager?
[01:07] <bill> portokaosol: yep
[01:08] <portokaosol> I've already tried it
[01:08] <portokaosol> nothing
[01:08] <portokaosol> I am thinking about trying a newer driver, a hope taht's it's backwards compatible
[01:12] <portokaosol> hey bill, I have another question for you
[01:12] <portokaosol> I managed to install another keyboard layout, but how do I rotate the languages?
[01:15] <bill> portokaosol: look at this page about your card - and sorry but I never change keyboard layouts so I don't know about that
[01:15] <bill> http://www.rage3d.com/Board/showthread.php?t=33905792
[01:17] <portokaosol> ok thx
[01:19] <portokaosol> bill, my renderiing is: NO
[01:20] <portokaosol> I'm gonna try to enable it
[01:24] <bill> portokaosol: I'll be right back
[01:39] <portokaosol> so bill
[01:40] <bill> portokaosol: does   lsmod | grep radeon   show anything
[01:41] <portokaosol> is that LSMOD
[01:41] <portokaosol> no, it won't return anything
[01:42] <bill> portokaosol: don't worry it won't - I have the ati rage card here using the r128 driver and it doesn't show
[01:42] <portokaosol> ok
[01:42] <bill> portokaosol: render = yes yet?
[01:42] <portokaosol> no
[01:43] <portokaosol> I also did
[01:43] <portokaosol> apt-get build-dep libdrm mesa
[01:43] <portokaosol> apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` git-core libxmu-dev x11proto-xf86vidmode-dev
[01:43] <portokaosol> cd /usr/src
[01:43] <portokaosol> git clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/drm
[01:43] <portokaosol> cd /usr/src/drm/linux-core
[01:43] <portokaosol> make DRM_MODULES="mach64"
[01:43] <portokaosol> cp /usr/src/drm/linux-core/*.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/char/drm/
[01:43] <portokaosol> depmod -ae
[01:43] <portokaosol> (sorry for the paste, but I doubt that anyone will mind)
[01:43] <bill> k
[01:45] <bill> portokaosol: I just did  -   sudo modprobe radeon   -  then changed the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to r128 and restarted x
[01:46] <portokaosol> hold on, let me log in from that machine
[01:47] <raket2> now
[01:47] <raket2> here's what I got from that command
[01:47] <raket2> FATAL: Error inserting radeon (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:50] <portokaosol2> bill: perhaps you would want to see what dmesg spits out?
[01:50] <bill> portokaosol: dmesg | tail   should do
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800426] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_core_ioremap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800430] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_ioremap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800520] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_mmap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800543] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_mmap
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800669] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_ati_pcigart_cleanup
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800673] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_ati_pcigart_cleanup
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800763] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_core_reclaim_buffers
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800768] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_core_reclaim_buffers
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800843] radeon: disagrees about version of symbol drm_release
[01:51] <portokaosol2> [  533.800847] radeon: Unknown symbol drm_release
[01:52] <portokaosol2> in meantime, I'll write a letter to ati, and see what can I do
[01:53] <bill> portokaosol: doesn't look good that - see if ati sends a reply :)
[01:54] <portokaosol> I am trying a newer driver
[01:55] <portokaosol> (for a newer card)
[01:55] <bill> k
[01:55] <portokaosol> it would be awesome if it works
[02:19] <portokaosol> If there's anyone alive, how can I make 2 xubuntu machines network?
[02:48] <japherwocky> you could use the internet
[02:48] <japherwocky> or sshd
[02:49] <japherwocky> or samba?!
[03:14] <portokaosol> japherwocky: sorry I didn't see you
[03:14] <portokaosol> isn't samba only for windows?
[03:14] <portokaosol> btw, brb
[03:31] <Bill-Gates> http://img508.imageshack.us/my.php?image=googlevsmssu8.png
[04:00] <gNewPower> A neighbor of mine is using Windoze XP.  He forgot his admin password.  I tried re-setting it with a Ubuntu live-CD using the "chntpw" application only to find out that it was not more in the Ubuntu repos.  What application in the latest version of Ubuntu can I use to reset this WXP password?
[04:18] <CHR> use BackTrack Live CD
[04:18] <CHR> hah, seriously though, I don't know
[05:02] <raket> hello everyone! I succesfully managed to create samba shares on both of my Xubuntu machines, now I only need to know how can I access them
[05:02] <raket> so could somebody help me, please?
[05:40] <aldrick> hello! how do i open a file as root? i need to edit a text document...
[05:42] <aldrick> hello! how do i open a file as root? i need to edit a text document...
[05:42] <Odd-rationale> !sudo | aldrick
[05:43] <Odd-rationale> aldrick: try "gksudo mousepad /file"
[05:44] <aldrick> thank you ill try it now
[05:47] <aldrick> you kick ass dude thanks!!! i thought i was going to have to reinstall xubuntu
[05:48] <Odd-rationale> aldrick: lol, it is simple...
[06:24] <japherwocky> is there a terminal program that will display more colors?
[07:10] <Standarsh> hi room
[07:11]  * Standarsh looks around for people
[07:11] <uda_> hey, i know this sounds quite stupid, but where is the volume control in xubuntu 8.04?
[07:12] <Standarsh> you uda_
[07:12] <Standarsh> I'm not on my xubuntu system now but I think it is under system
[07:13] <Standarsh> What I did was added the volume to the top panel for easy access
[07:14] <uda_> cant find it :/
[07:18] <Standarsh> alright, one sec
[07:18] <Standarsh> I'll go to my other computer
[07:18] <Standarsh> seeing as I have something I want to fix with it anyway
[07:18] <Standarsh> k?
[07:19] <uda_> yeah cheers
[07:23] <xStandarshy> waza
[07:29] <xStandarshy> hmm
[07:29] <xStandarshy> I'm trying to remember how I originally found it
[07:29] <xStandarshy> anyway
[07:29] <xStandarshy> I'll tell you how I do it now
[07:30] <xStandarshy> right click the top bar and select 'add new item'
[07:30] <xStandarshy> then go down to volume control
[07:32] <aldrick> hello! how can i find out what my current window manager is? i try to manage window settings and i get this pop up " These settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)"
[07:33] <xStandarshy> if you are using xubuntu, you should be on xfce
[07:33] <aldrick> but how come i get that pop up? also none of my windows have borders
[07:34] <aldrick> anyone?
[07:36] <aldrick> can anyone please throw some ideas as to why this would be happening?
[07:42] <xStandarshy> hhmm
[07:42] <xStandarshy> what are you tryin gto runÉ
[08:07] <xStandarshy> hi room
[08:07] <xStandarshy> is there any way to compine bne panelsÉ
[08:50] <AimLXJ> Hello I need help, apparantly my video card is not being detected.
[09:09] <Agnostic> ;)
[09:11] <gnyffel> Is there any reason the release notes for Xubuntu 8.04 seem to list PulseAudio, while my fresh install does in fact not run a PulseAudio server?
[09:23] <livingdaylight> AimLXJ: help is not available here
[12:01] <holyguyver_> what terminal cammand can I use to clean out my temp internet files & temp files?
[12:04] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: not sure why you'd want to do it in the terminal, but removing stuff inside /tmp and anyhing in home/.tmp might help. Also depending upon "what internet files" you want to delete, every program might use a diferent location.
[12:04] <GryzorX> other than that, clear your browser cache and you should be fine.
[12:05] <holyguyver_> Thank you, yes firefox & konqueror was both telling me that I had no more room for files in tmp
[12:06] <holyguyver_> If you remember I am the one on the 4GB harddrive
[12:09] <holyguyver_> GryzorX I cannot find the tmp folder in my home, & when I typed in /home/jack/tmp & home/jack/.tmp thunar would not take me anywhere.
[12:11] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: oh yeah, I remember you :)
[12:12] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: try sudo rm /tmp
[12:12] <GryzorX> sorry
[12:12] <GryzorX> sudo rm /tmp/*
[12:12] <GryzorX> what's the size of your swapfile?
[12:13] <holyguyver_> GryzorX : rm: cannot remove `/tmp': Is a directory & rm: cannot remove `/tmp/': Is a directory
[12:17] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: use the second ->> sudo rm /tmp/*
[12:18] <holyguyver_> GryzorX : rm: cannot remove `/tmp/gconfd-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/kde-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/keyring-0P1Zja': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/ksocket-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/orbit-jack': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/ssh-NCoeAk5150': Is a directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/Tracker-jack.5242': Is a directory
[12:20] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: rm -rf /tmp/*
[12:20] <GryzorX> (append sudo)
[12:21] <holyguyver_> it did not write out any response to that request
[12:21] <holyguyver_> jack@jack-desktop:~$ sudo rm -rf /tmp/* (next line)jack@jack-desktop:~$
[12:21] <GryzorX> that means that it did it.
[12:21] <GryzorX> issue a df -h
[12:22] <GryzorX> to see your remaining space
[12:24] <holyguyver_> GryzorX Filesystem            Size 4.3G  Used 4.1G Avail 1.2M Use% 100% Mounted on/dev/sda2
[12:27] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: you've ran out of disk space
[12:27] <holyguyver_> GryzorX that is what I said
[12:28] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: i'd suggest that you remove stuff
[12:28] <holyguyver_> GryzorX There is nothing to remove besides tmp & xubuntu itself
[12:28] <GryzorX> packages.. remove packages
[12:28] <GryzorX> remove games
[12:29] <GryzorX> remove open office if you don't use it
[12:29] <GryzorX> remove remove
[12:29] <GryzorX> leave only bare bones :)
[12:29] <holyguyver_> GryzorX The only ones on are the preinstalled ones, there is no games, & I do use openoffice
[12:30] <holyguyver_> GryzorX something tells me that it did not delete tmp because as I said it gave no output for your last cammand for it.
[12:30] <holyguyver_> & yes I have already tried apt-get autoremove & autoclean
[12:32] <holyguyver_> GryzorX the only thing I can think of is deleting my pidgin logs might clear up space.
[12:32] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: unix commands tend not to output anything if everything goes ok.
[12:33] <GryzorX> particularly the rm command does not say anything unless there is an error (as you've seen before).
[12:33] <GryzorX> if you perform ls /tmp
[12:33] <GryzorX> you'll see that most stuff is gone.
[12:34] <GryzorX> on the other hand, the "preinstalled ones" may be too much for your slow and old hard drive. You might want to use synaptic or a simlar tool to see what you have and remove from there.
[12:34] <holyguyver_> Yap you are right, only 2 things remain
[12:34] <GryzorX> xubuntu comes with Abiword, if you don't want it, you might want to take that out too.
[12:34] <GryzorX> I mean, a plain Ubuntu install can go up to 2gb of stuff
[12:35] <GryzorX> mine, uses 4.3GB and I dont have too much stuff here.
[12:35] <GryzorX> also issue a reboot to make sure that the swap and stuff like that gets cleaned.
[12:35] <holyguyver_> So you are suggesting that I find even small apps like using xpdf instead of evince & stuff like that? & yes you are right I do have abiword.
[12:35] <GryzorX> yes, find duplicated apps and remove the one you don't use
[12:35] <GryzorX> you have limited hardware, you need to adapt to what you have.
[12:36] <GryzorX> use either firefox or epiphany...
[12:36] <GryzorX> remove everything that you don't use.
[12:37] <holyguyver_> Is it safe to remove something like tomboynotes?
[12:37] <GryzorX> it should
[12:37] <GryzorX> issue
[12:38] <GryzorX> the command and see what is going to remove
[12:38] <GryzorX> if you see something you use.. then don.t :)
[12:38] <GryzorX> ubuntu comes with games
[12:38] <GryzorX> you may want to remove them
[12:38] <holyguyver_> All I can say is that I am happy that in a few days I will be getting that brand new HP with the 320GB harddrive :p
[12:39] <GryzorX> :)
[12:39] <GryzorX> gratz
[12:39] <holyguyver_> As I said I already removed games a long time ago
[12:40] <holyguyver_> Hey you are in luck, you are the only person who has ever seen the terminal evadance to prive that I am on a 4GB harddrive :p
[12:40] <holyguyver_> prove*
[12:40] <GryzorX> Got a screen shot :)
[12:40] <holyguyver_> A screenshot of what?
[12:40] <GryzorX> you saying that ;)
[12:42] <holyguyver_> honostly I don't think I will be using Gimp or OO.o in the next 3 days :p
[12:43] <holyguyver_> I mean for the next 3 days, so forth I can delete those until I get the new system
[12:44] <holyguyver_> GryzorX what do you think?
[12:45] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: definitely.
[12:46] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: remove all non-essential stuff
[12:46] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: and leave only the things you use.
[12:46] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: you can always add them later if you need.
[12:47] <holyguyver_> GryzorX I do use gimp * OO.o but as said I don't think I will need to use them for the next 3 days & after that I will have a much larger hardrive on a brand new machine :)
[12:48] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: then do your cleaning job :)
[12:50] <holyguyver_> remooving OO.o impress calc & math cleared up 27m
[12:51] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: keep going :)
[12:52] <GryzorX> holyguyver_: I gotta go. Will be back later. Good luck with that.
[12:53] <holyguyver_> Thank you
[12:53] <GryzorX> you're welcome.
[13:37] <suriro> Is system beep related to sound card / alsa?
[13:38] <suriro> this notebook produces all sorts of sounds but the system beep. I see pcspkr module loaded in lsmod output.
[13:41] <suriro> basically, I expect to hear a beep when I echo $'\a' in terminal/console. But no sound...
[16:56] <zoredache> !opera
[17:33] <Don_Miguel> cody-somerville: brief PM please ?
[17:34] <Don_Miguel> !paste
[17:39] <cody-somerville> Don_Miguel, ho ahead
[17:40] <cody-somerville> *go
[19:30] <japherwocky> is there a way to move windows onto another desktop?
[19:57] <Ben_Cs> hello
[20:05] <asizemore> hey
[20:05] <asizemore> how do I get the mount utility?
[20:06] <japherwocky> maybe sudo apt-get install mount
[20:06] <japherwocky> that seems like something that comes with the system though
[20:07] <asizemore> well, I meant launch some kind of gui thingy
[20:07] <asizemore> I haven't had to deal with mounts in forever
[20:09] <asizemore> actually, I'll bbl
[20:21] <d0xda> hello
[20:22] <d0xda> there's a problem with the xubuntu 8.04 while installing through windows 2000 professional
[20:24] <TheSheep> !bugs
[20:25] <d0xda> okay the details is like this before i try to file the report
[20:25] <d0xda> when installing, it says that its copying the image to the hard drive
[20:26] <d0xda> when it finishes it says that make sure no other programs are using the drive (cd-rom)
[20:26] <d0xda> however, there are very few programs running which are not related to the drive except wubi.exe
[20:27] <japherwocky> so you're saying that all the programs are using the drive?!
[20:27] <d0xda> no
[20:27] <d0xda> i meant none
[20:27] <d0xda> EXCEPT wubi.exe of course
[20:27] <TheSheep> it somehow misdetects that
[20:27] <d0xda> in what way?
[20:27] <TheSheep> do you have an explorer window with the drive open perchance?
[20:27] <d0xda> nope
[20:27] <TheSheep> that would also qualify as an application using the drive
[20:27] <d0xda> no antivirus programs also
[20:28] <d0xda> yes
[20:28] <d0xda> but its closed also
[20:28] <d0xda> tried more than 3 times and i'm out of luck
[20:28] <d0xda> surprisingly i installed ubuntu it worked
[20:28] <d0xda> there's no such error
[20:28] <slow-motion> hi
[20:28] <d0xda> only xubuntu's giving this error
[20:28] <d0xda> :|
[20:28] <d0xda> hi
[20:29] <TheSheep> d0xda: you could install the console-only version of ubuntu and then install xubuntu-desktop on it, it would be the same as installing from xubuntu cd
[20:29] <d0xda> has anyone of you encountered this error before?
[20:30] <TheSheep> no windows here, so I never used wubi
[20:30] <d0xda> er.... it would be harder unfortunately. i would much prefer to use wubi because of its simplicity
[20:31] <d0xda> with wubi, i am able to access those two OS'es easily
[20:31] <TheSheep> I meant installing the ubuntu command line with wubi, and then adding xubuntu to it
[20:31] <TheSheep> you can also install xubuntu to an ubuntu install
[20:32] <d0xda> okay
[20:32] <d0xda> i got what you mean there
[20:33] <d0xda> =( however, even my ubuntu passed that wubi installation
[20:33] <d0xda> it can't even boot up
[20:33] <d0xda> there's an error
[20:33] <d0xda> if i am not mistaken the error code is 15
[20:33] <d0xda> cannot find the file
[20:34] <d0xda> i couldn't even boot up ubuntu successfully
[20:34] <d0xda> =(
[20:34] <d0xda> it haven't even pass the GUI
[20:36] <TheSheep> ah, I know this one
[20:36] <TheSheep> grub error 15
[20:36] <d0xda> yes
[20:36] <d0xda> error 15
[20:36] <TheSheep> it means you have a large disk in a fairly old computer, and that computer cannot boot if the file from which it boots is not near the beginning of the disk
[20:37] <japherwocky> nice
[20:37] <d0xda> okay and how to solve this?
[20:37] <TheSheep> you usually work around it by making a small partition for the /boot directory near the beginning of the disk
[20:37] <d0xda> basically the partition that i installed this ubuntu is only approximately 10GB
[20:38] <d0xda> TheSheep: er...... can elaborate on your previous sentence?
[20:38] <TheSheep> d0xda: but it's not the first one on the disk, right?
[20:38] <d0xda> yes
[20:38] <d0xda> its not the 1st
[20:38] <TheSheep> there is a lot of information and workarounds when you google for 'grub error 15'
[20:39] <d0xda> why does this happen? doesn't xubuntu supports large hard disks?
[20:40] <d0xda> by the fact its system requirements aren't that low to be in consideration with
[20:40] <TheSheep> no, wait,scratch what I said, it was grub error 8
[20:40] <japherwocky> aww :(
[20:40] <d0xda> :S
[20:40] <d0xda> :-/
[20:41] <TheSheep> the problem was that when the booting happens, there is no ubuntu loaded yet, the computer is in control of its BIOS, and older BIOSes didn't support large disks
[20:41] <TheSheep> but yours is something else -- for some reason the kernel files seems to be missing, or at least grub can't find them to start your system
[20:42] <d0xda> yes
[20:42] <d0xda> its that problem
[20:42] <d0xda> hold on i verify the error again
[20:43] <d0xda> Error 15 --- File not found
[20:43] <d0xda> when its saying
[20:43] <TheSheep> d0xda: I found this on the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=497138
[20:44] <d0xda> okay
[20:44] <d0xda> i'll try to low format it first
[20:45] <TheSheep> nah
[20:45] <TheSheep> that was a bad advice, imho
[20:45] <d0xda> oh
[20:45] <TheSheep> the next one was good though
[20:45] <d0xda> okay
[20:45] <TheSheep> the one with menu.lst
[20:46] <TheSheep> (type xfce4-terminal instead of 'konsole')
[20:46] <d0xda> okay i'll try the last solution
[20:46] <TheSheep> and it's /usr/share, not /usr/sare
[20:47] <d0xda> okay so should i go to the terminal now? from grub
[20:47] <TheSheep> no, you need to boot a livecd
[20:48] <TheSheep> then you can access the disk on which your ubuntu is installed and put the menu.lst into /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:49] <d0xda> ok i've booted from the live-cd
[20:49] <d0xda> should i start ubuntu from the cd?
[20:50] <TheSheep> d0xda: yes
[20:51] <d0xda> ok
[20:54] <d0xda> ok now i open the terminal
[20:54] <d0xda> then
[20:55] <d0xda> i type xfce-4-terminal?
[20:55] <d0xda> *xfce4-terminal
[20:56] <TheSheep> no
[20:56] <TheSheep> that just opens the terminal :)
[20:57] <d0xda> oh....
[20:57] <TheSheep> do you see your disk with xubuntu installed in the file manager?
[20:57] <d0xda> yes
[20:58] <d0xda> i see my ubuntu installation folder
[20:58] <d0xda> in the partition (drive) that i've installed
[20:58] <d0xda> but i don't see a "boot" folder in there
[20:58] <TheSheep> ok, there should be a boot directory there
[20:58] <TheSheep> and a grub directory in it
[20:59] <d0xda> in the ubuntu folder?
[20:59] <d0xda> the boot directory and grub directory should be in where?
[20:59] <TheSheep> no,on that partition
[20:59] <d0xda> the root partition?
[20:59] <d0xda> of that drive?
[20:59] <TheSheep> yes
[20:59] <TheSheep> yes
[21:00] <d0xda> nope i can't see it
[21:00] <TheSheep> the one where you installed xubuntu
[21:00] <TheSheep> not the cd drive
[21:00] <d0xda> yes
[21:00] <d0xda> not the cd drive
[21:00] <d0xda> its the hard disk partition
[21:01] <TheSheep> you have directories like bin, lib, usr, var in it, right?
[21:03] <d0xda> nope
[21:03] <d0xda> i only see 3 files/folders in that partition
[21:03] <d0xda> ubuntu - folder
[21:03] <d0xda> wubildr - file
[21:03] <d0xda> wubildr.mbr - file
[21:03] <d0xda> that's all
[21:04] <d0xda> those directories you mentioned are all in the File System only
[21:08] <TheSheep> d0xda: ah, so it's all inside that file
[21:08] <TheSheep> d0xda: sorrym I don't know how to get into it
[21:09] <d0xda> never mind
[21:10] <TheSheep> d0xda: found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=685356
[21:10] <d0xda> oh
[21:13] <d0xda> er
[21:13] <d0xda> actually i am not very familiar with linux
[21:13] <d0xda> anyway i've tried this way
[21:14] <d0xda> by entering sudo cp /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst /boot/grub
[21:14] <TheSheep> no, it won't work if you installed with wubi
[21:15] <TheSheep> that was for a regular install
[21:15] <d0xda> oh i see
[21:15] <d0xda> did u look at the last post in the forum you showed me?
[21:15] <TheSheep> this latter forum post is for wubu though
[21:15] <TheSheep> yes
[21:15] <d0xda> wubu?
[21:16] <TheSheep> they write that it might be coused by old config file for wubi
[21:16] <TheSheep> wubi
[21:16] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:16] <d0xda> no problem
[21:16] <d0xda> er but my case is a clean install
[21:16] <TheSheep> I suppose xubuntu has the older version :/
[21:16] <d0xda> would it be the same problem?
[21:16] <TheSheep> it could be
[21:17] <TheSheep> you could trying searching the forums some more, but that's definitely a bug to be reported
[21:17] <d0xda> should i try this ATM?
[21:17] <d0xda> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:17] <TheSheep> the developers might contact you with a workaround after you report the bug too
[21:18] <TheSheep> d0xda: you don;'t have access to the /boot directory, because it's inside one of these wubi files
[21:18] <TheSheep> d0xda: packed
[21:18] <d0xda> okay
[21:18] <d0xda> got that
[21:18] <TheSheep> you would need to actually have this system runningto get inside it
[21:18] <TheSheep> or maybe there are some tools to access it from outaside
[21:18] <d0xda> to get inside what?
[21:18] <TheSheep> outside
[21:19] <TheSheep> the files that actually contain your installation
[21:19] <d0xda> oh
[21:19] <TheSheep> they are like a cd image
[21:19] <d0xda> okay
[21:19] <d0xda> when these bugs are fixed, will they come out another revised version?
[21:19] <d0xda> like 8.05 or something?
[21:21] <TheSheep> no, critical bugs will be fixed in 8.04 directly (and internet updates), non-critical ones will wait for 8.10
[21:21] <TheSheep> (the version number is the release date)
[21:21] <d0xda> oh okay
[21:21] <TheSheep> 8.05 is may 2008
[21:22] <d0xda> you mean there is really a 8.05 version coming out?
[21:22] <TheSheep> no
[21:22] <TheSheep> sorry
[21:23] <TheSheep> 8.04 is April 2008
[21:23] <d0xda> oh
[21:23] <TheSheep> that's what I meant :)
[21:23] <TheSheep> there is a release every 6 months
[21:23] <d0xda> okay
[21:24] <d0xda> can you give me the link to report bugs to the technical support so that they can help me as you said before? =)
[21:51] <TheSheep> !bugs
[21:51] <TheSheep> argh
[21:51] <TheSheep> he left
[22:01] <slow-motion> n8
[22:51] <gotisch> Hey i have a problem with hipo the ipod manager when i start it it keeps crashing with the error message: unable to open the session message bus. : Argument can not be null see paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11740/ any ideas?
[23:39] <PsynoKhi0> hey


[15:30] <wjtaylor> Does the kernel for Ubuntu Unity 22.10 support Ntrig touchscreens?  It is not working on an Dell XT2, but used to when I had Ubuntu 14.xx installed on it.