[16:47] <Daisuke_Ido> let's see what could be locking the sound system
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yeah launch amarok from the shell
[16:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i can launch amarok fine, i just can't play anything :)
[16:49] <pacman> I'm trying to set up my torrents so I don't actually save the torrent, it automatically opens in KTorrent and begins downloading
[16:49] <pacman> how do I set that up?
[16:49] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: is this onboard or pci?
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> onboard
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> QString::arg(): Argument missing:
Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.
xine parameters: , file:///media/Music/A/Air/Talkie Walkie/02 - Cherry blossom girl.mp3
[16:49] <BluesKaj> hate to statre the obvious but have you checked soundsystem settings and the kmix
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> yes and yes
[16:50] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you checked the bios--it might be disabled there
[16:50] <BluesKaj> ok, try a diff tune :)
[16:50] <Timmy|away> I have installed the nVidia driver, but it doesnt work, I am now in recovery mode, whats the command to change drivesr, is something like dpkg-reconfigure
[16:50] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: how can it be disabled in the bios if i haven't rebooted and it worked yesterday?
[16:51] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: everything has the same result
[16:51] <bazhang> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Timmy|away
[16:52] <BluesKaj> wav files too ?
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> yup
[16:52] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: just trying a step by step of the comprensive sound card guide on ubuntuforums--sorry if some of this stuff is obvious or wrong--just trying to nail down the problem :}
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> wav, ogg, mp3
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: no worries
[16:53] <martint> Hi, how can I extract a zip file keeping its former permissions
[16:53] <martint> ?
[16:53] <martint> thanks
[16:53] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: what does aplay -l say in the terminal?
[16:53] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i think...
[16:54] <Jucato> emilsedgh: that would be a surprising (maybe even good) news to me... although all eyes seem to be on PackageKit these days
[16:54] <emilsedgh> Jucato: it now depends on Smart
[16:54] <Jucato> oh.. Smart.... :/
[16:54] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: http://pastebin.ca/778493
[16:54] <Timmy|away> thanks bazhang I dont think its what I used last time, there were loads of options this time, before it was just the driver options, not mouse and keyboard
[16:54] <emilsedgh> Jucato: Adept... :P
[16:55] <Jucato> emilsedgh: at least it's not fully python... :P
[16:55] <emilsedgh> hehe
[16:55] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i have no problem with being python, the UI!
[16:56] <Jucato> emilsedgh: all of smart is python afaik. backend (non-UI) and UI
[16:56] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: does that list sound cards? --can't access that page for some reason
[16:56] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, playback devices
[16:56] <bazhang> ok
[16:57] <martint> Hi, how can I extract a zip file keeping its former permissions (if possible at all)
[16:57] <emilsedgh> Jucato: is there any plan for updating the Adept's UI?
[16:57] <jpatrick> emilsedgh: yep
[16:57] <emilsedgh> jpatrick: just tell me 'when'!
[16:58] <Jucato> jpatrick, emilsedgh: that largely depends on Ubuntu-dom switching over to PackageKit... so we're in a sort of standstill
[16:58] <Daisuke_Ido> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44902/
[16:58] <emilsedgh> Jucato: ubuntu wants to switch on packagekit?
[16:58] <jpatrick> emilsedgh: you didn't ask for that :)
[16:58] <Jucato> emilsedgh: not reading FOSSCamp news are you? :P
[16:58] <Jucato> emilsedgh: not really "wants to" but "looking into it"
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no im not, i read osnews and kdeDot :D
[16:59] <Jucato> os..what?
[16:59] <Jucato> bah nvm :P
[16:59] <emilsedgh> hehe
[16:59] <Timmy|away> Jucato: How do i replace one file with another?
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: what about Debian?
[16:59] <Timmy|away> On the comand line
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: the want to go to packagekit too?
[16:59] <emilsedgh> they*
[16:59] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I dunno
[17:00] <Jucato> no news from them so far
[17:00] <Jucato> s/news/rumor/
[17:00] <Jucato> Timmy|away: what do you mean?
[17:00] <Timmy|away> I want to delete one file and replace it with another on the command line
[17:00] <Jucato> just delete it and create a new file?
[17:01] <Timmy|away> The new file already exists, its a back up, I want to restor it
[17:01] <Timmy|away> Im in recovery mode
[17:01] <Jucato> mv oldname newname
[17:01] <Jucato> that "renames" a file
[17:01] <Timmy|away> Thanks, that should do
[17:02] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you launched alsamixer in Konsole, then made sure it works with each reboot --code: sudo alsactl store 0
[17:03] <ubuzztu> installed kubuntu dualboot with xp on T60p working like a charm
[17:03] <vbgunz> ubuzztu: you have a lenovo T60 thinkpad?
[17:03] <ubuzztu> yes
[17:03] <BluesKaj> what's the best app to record analog audio on line-in ?
[17:03] <vbgunz> ubuzztu: do you use the little external mouse with that notebook?
[17:04] <Daisuke_Ido> launching it made no difference whatsoever
[17:04] <ubuzztu> vbgunz: no
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: audacity
[17:04] <BluesKaj> yeah , audacity is ok , but I just need something simpler
[17:04] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: what engine do have enabled with amarok?
[17:04] <vbgunz> ubuzztu: damn... I have the same notebook, with the external mouse. the mouse has a bug where in Windows and Linux it just takes off by itself... sucks hard core when playing games like Portal... it spins out... worse mouse ever
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: Krecord
[17:05] <adam> Hello, need some help
[17:05] <ubuzztu> vbgunz: bummer...
[17:05] <ubuzztu> stepping out... later..
[17:05] <Daisuke_Ido> xine
[17:05] <Joti> what do you think on that new dolphin file manager?
[17:05]  * BluesKaj checks out krecord
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> !info krecord
[17:05] <ubotu> krecord: KDE sound recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.16-3 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 308 kB
[17:06] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you tried any others--or is that the only option
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> xine engine, autodetect output plugin
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I may be thinking of krec, one of them is an arts soud recorder and doesn't work too well.
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the only option - even after installing amarok-engines
[17:06] <vbgunz> Joti: imho, all the time spent on reinventing the wheel could have gone into fixing, enahcing and crushing bugs in Konqueror :(
[17:06] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you tried installing alsa-oss?
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: dolphin isn't reinventing the wheel
[17:07] <bazhang> more like breaking it
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> dolphin and konqueror serve two completely different purposes
[17:07] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: it is a file manager no?
[17:07] <adam> can anyone help with a failed upddate, left me with blank screen flashing cursor
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> adam: ctrl+alt+f2 do anything?
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: it's not a browser, and it's not as fine grained as konqueror
[17:07] <bazhang> adam: from feisty to gutsy?
[17:07] <adam> dont like dolphin
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> adam: what you don't like is d3lphin
[17:07] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: yeah Dolphin is for those who should be on Gnome and Konqueror is for those who like KDE :)
[17:07] <adam> yes, Ican get to tty
[17:08] <Joti> vbgunz exactly thats what
[17:08] <Timmy|away> I have a problem. I cannot start x at all. I installed the latest nVidia drivers, it worked, I restarted, nothing happend. I sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and tried the nv and vesa drivers, what should I do? Can I make it automaticly redetect xorg.conf? It worked when i first installed Kubuntu
[17:08] <adam> cannot boot to GUI
[17:08] <bazhang> adam: have you tried to continue update?
[17:08] <Gannondorf> need help installing kdm-theme-manager
[17:08] <nick_> Hey everyone, I'm doing a manual backup and I wanted to know if there is a way I can get the command line to display all the files created after a certain day
[17:09] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: does amarok engines include alsa-oss?
[17:09] <Joti> i especially hate that there is now decent adress bar anymore but that gnome adress-click-o-bar-straight-frome-the-stoneage
[17:09] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: no, and your attitude toward other DEs is despicable to say the least.  wait for kde4 before passing judgement on dolphin, because what's in the repos right now?  it sucks, and sucks hard.  the actual dolphin is quite nice
[17:09] <vbgunz> Timmy|away: what do you when it comes to X? a blinking cursor or something?
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> Timmy|away: restore your backup. otherwise check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out why X failed.
[17:09] <Gannondorf> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[17:09] <Gannondorf> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[17:09] <Gannondorf> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[17:09] <Daisuke_Ido> Joti: it's a little more advanced than gnome's
[17:09] <Timmy|away> WaltzingAlong: The backup doesnt work, Ill try again.
[17:09] <Timmy|away> vbgunz: I dont even get a cursor, just a black screen
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> Timmy|away: check the log          less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:10] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i never want ubuntu goes to packagekit if debian doesnt
[17:10] <Timmy|away> Ok WaltzingAlong
[17:10] <Gannondorf> !paste
[17:10] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: just trying to help--alsa-oss installed?
[17:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: was reaming someone else :)
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> checking
[17:10] <Joti> daisuke_ido: yes it may be, but it still dont like it. first thing that gets off my machine on any install
[17:10] <bazhang> hehe
[17:11] <Jucato> emilsedgh: hm?
[17:11] <Gannondorf> can someone help me out?
[17:11] <Daisuke_Ido> it is installed, yes
[17:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i only want ubuntu uses packagekit, if debian goes too packagekit too
[17:11] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: the reason I switched to KDE was because of how much greater it really is. I say that after a year on Gnome and less than a year on KDE. I aint just dissing Gnome. truth is, Dolpin is so simple, that is the first impression I get from it. it doesn't belong in KDE. even if it had more options than Konqueror, what is the point in 2 file managers? why not 3 or 4 or 5? I think 1 is enough right now :)
[17:11] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: have you used dolphin yet?
[17:12] <Gannondorf> help with compiling errors
[17:12] <Gannondorf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44903/
[17:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and linux = choice.  more than one filemanager?  sure!  pick your favorite!
[17:12] <adam> Tried dpkg --configure -a it finished installing packages and killed my boot into old kernel
[17:12] <Jucato> emilsedgh: PackageKit isn't a replacement for .deb/APT
[17:12] <vbgunz> I used it for a little bit when setting up new accounts. I don't even switch it out for Konqueror becasue konqueror is my preference. the new accoutns I've set up I let stand and don't even mention konqueror.
[17:12] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i know
[17:12] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: what about grep 'audio' /etc/group
[17:13] <Daisuke_Ido> audio:x:29:sierra-x,writerone
[17:13] <bazhang> ok
[17:13] <Joti> my first impression was: worst of osx (finder "click through multiple panels") , windows (strange usability), gnome (that adressbar) together in one thing...
[17:13] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: so you've installed the latest kde4 beta and used DOLPHIN, rather than d3lphin
[17:13] <Gannondorf> someone help me with kdm theme manager error
[17:13] <Joti> konqueror is lovely
[17:13] <emilsedgh> Jucato: Ubuntu = Debian For Desktop (to me)
[17:13] <Daisuke_Ido> what's default on gutsy is, AGAIN, not dolphin
[17:13] <Joti> just like kde
[17:14] <nick_> Hey everyone, I'm doing a manual backup and I wanted to know if there is a way I can get the command line to display all the files created on or after a certain day
[17:14] <Gannondorf> someone help me with kdm theme manager error
[17:14] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: no KDE4. I am speaking about 3.5.8 Dolphin.
[17:14] <ardchoille> vbgunz: If you used it in kde3.5.8, then what you used was d3lphin, a fork of dolphin. I'm told the real dolphin is much better
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: then i share your feelings, it's crap
[17:14] <Joti> kde4 preview looks lovely too
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> the real dolphin *is* much better
[17:14] <Gannondorf> someone help me with kdm theme manager error
[17:14] <Timmy|away> Is it possible to make a list of all packages installed and then use it install thoes packages on a fresh install?
[17:14] <emilsedgh> Dolphin in 3.5.8 is real dolphin! just an older version...
[17:14] <Gannondorf> !kdm-theme-manager
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience | Gannondorf, stop repeating yourself and read this:
[17:15] <ubotu> Gannondorf, stop repeating yourself and read this:: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:15] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, maybe your soundcard is out of the mix  cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> the kde4 dolphin is "a much better" dolphin than the kde358 dolphin (but still dolphin, not konqueror for those who liked that)
[17:15] <Joti> daisuke_ido then i'm really intrested how the real dolphin may look...
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> i just finished building kde4beta4 here from svn.
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> it has a much cleaner kde-like interface, for one
[17:16] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: then thats not Beta4! thats svn :P
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido>  0 [CK804          ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido>                       NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at irq 17
[17:16]  * Joti thinks that d3lphin may ruin the reputation of the real dolphin in advanc
[17:16] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: yeah maybe it was a bad move on Kubuntus part. I just see no point in introducing a new app that does the same thing and when compared is inferior to the latter
[17:16] <WaltzingAlong> but of course emilsedgh
[17:16] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: so what do you think?
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: d3lphin is most definitely inferior to konqueror.  dolphin is - depending on what you do.
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not a browser
[17:16] <WaltzingAlong> emilsedgh: just trying out an app here and there ... coming along nicely it seems
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't need to be, though, it's *just* a file manager
[17:17] <Gannondorf> Need help with compiling error with kdm theme manager
[17:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Gannondorf: is listening too difficult for you?
[17:17] <Gannondorf> yes
[17:17] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: most of the apps except Konqueror, Kopete and 1-2 others are in a very good shape
[17:17] <Minataku> Gannondorf: What's the error?
[17:17] <Gannondorf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44903/
[17:17] <ardchoille> Timmy|away: It's something like: dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt && sudo dpkg --set-selections << packages.txt  Check out man dpkg (--get-selectins and --set-selections)
[17:17] <Minataku> Oh
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> so install kde theme manager from the repos
[17:18] <Minataku> You're lacking the pieces of KDE needed to compile it
[17:18] <Gannondorf> which are?
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !kdetheme
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdetheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <Minataku> I'm not sure
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !info kdetheme
[17:18] <ubotu> Package kdetheme does not exist in gutsy
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> BAH
[17:18] <Minataku> !kde-libs-dev
[17:18] <Jucato> !info kdmtheme | Gannondorf
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-libs-dev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <ardchoille> !kdmtheme
[17:18] <ubotu> gannondorf: kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 47 kB, installed size 200 kB
[17:18] <Minataku> Hm
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <Joti> does anyone know if there is a nice alternative to gimp - maybe for kde?
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> kdmtheme :D
[17:18] <Minataku> You could also just install the binary package
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you ardchoille
[17:18] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: perhaps a purge and reinstall of the sound items: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[17:18] <Joti> gimp's interface is just plain horrible
[17:18] <Gannondorf> minataku: there's a binary?
[17:18] <Minataku> Which will be a lot easier, unless there's a specific reason you need to compile it
[17:19] <Minataku> Yes
[17:19] <Daisuke_Ido> Joti: write one that's better
[17:19] <Gannondorf> I was un aware
[17:19] <Minataku> It's kdmtheme
[17:19] <Minataku> !repos
[17:19] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[17:19] <Jucato> kdm theme manager is not the same as kde theme manager
[17:19] <ehird`> Joti: yes, there is. I do forget the name.
[17:19] <Minataku> Make sure you have all the repositories enabled
[17:19] <Joti> possibly not my language
[17:19] <Jucato> Minataku: that's basically no longer necessary, since universe and multiverse are enabled by default :)
[17:19] <Minataku> kdmtheme is in universe
[17:19] <Gannondorf> yeah...
[17:19] <Minataku> Jucato: He may be on an older version
[17:19] <Joti> that would be cool. i don't need that much features but a faster ui
[17:20] <Gannondorf> there it goes
[17:20] <Gannondorf> thanks
[17:20] <Minataku> np
[17:20] <Joti> like paint.net vs. photoshop
[17:20] <Jucato> Minataku: dapper and older would be the only ones. but yeah
[17:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Joti: krita might be for you
[17:20] <WaltzingAlong> emilsedgh: what was the replacement for kdrc?
[17:20] <adam> Feisty, I think the kernel update hosed me and I  am not sure how to recover.
[17:21] <Joti> i'll try that
[17:21] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: krdc? no replacment, its just improved, thats in kdenetwork try it
[17:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm about to pull some hair out here...
[17:22] <ardchoille> lol
[17:22] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: Don't do it!
[17:22] <WaltzingAlong> emilsedgh: (yes not beta4, but from svn, though application/help/about kde reports beta4)
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> especially if i find out that this thing i've been checking every 10 minutes or so is the source of my problems :\
[17:23] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: yes thats marked as beta4
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> because the sound issues correspond with starting that...
[17:23] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: then a reinstall via: sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> WoW downloader.
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> wine
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> probably screwing my sound
[17:23]  * Daisuke_Ido takes a small bow
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you folks, i'm an idiot.
[17:24] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to hold off on the whole purge and reinstall until that finishes
[17:24] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: if that still doesn't work, then perhaps--sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source (assuming you have the build-essentials installed).
[17:24] <Minataku> Hm
[17:25] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: ok. let me know if I can help out any further.
[17:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: not a word from you :P  some friends at work talked me into checking out the free trial :D
[17:25] <Level15> hey... i need a hand getting my bt headset to work... anyone with any experience on this?
[17:26] <Minataku> Huh?
[17:27] <Minataku> Oh, no, I was just making noises
[17:27] <Joti> daisuke_ide thanks i suppose krita was just the right suggestion :)
[17:27] <Daisuke_Ido> k
[17:27] <Minataku> I'm trying to get an alternate input method working
[17:27] <Daisuke_Ido> krita's nice
[17:27] <Minataku> So I can type in Japanese
[17:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[17:29] <patricio> Syslog writes: <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks. When I try to get a list of the available networks (wireless ap's and ethernet cable plugged) using networkmanager-kde succeder of knetworkmanager (but inherited the name obviously). So my list is not being generated. What I found strange too: wpa_supplicant was not running. I
[17:29] <patricio>  /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to get my wireless running
[17:29] <andresj> hello, anybody know how to write the ux in esperanto? it's the u with a diactrical mark similar to a flattened u, or a backwards ^.
[17:29] <patricio> But this is old school, the automated way using knetworkmanager and they kdewallet for the keys etc. was great, why did this stop working?
[17:30] <andresj> it's name is u-breve.
[17:31] <GuyFromHell> Anyone know of something i could use that can manage my vpn connection, specifically automatically run 'vpnc' when i have wireless to a specific ssid. I've tried network-manager-vpnc and kvpnc but neither work, just 'vpnc' in console works fine though.
[17:31] <GuyFromHell> can it just be done at some shell script level maybe?
[17:32] <Joti> do i have to do any additional stuff to get network-manager working with pptp other than installing network-manager-pptp?
[17:38] <darryl> Hi Guys, I am using NX Client on my Windows Laptop to connect to my Ubuntu desktop PC.  NX Client starts a new KDE session, so here is what I am wondering.  WIth my new KDE sesstion started, is there a way to bring the running applications from Desktop:0 into this new one that NX Client started?
[17:39] <heinkel_111> !envy
[17:39] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[17:39] <FroggyTheGreat> Ai yi ti.
[17:39] <FroggyTheGreat> yi, rather.
[17:39] <darryl> anyone know?
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> darryl: I don't think so.
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> darryl: without restarting them.
[17:40] <darryl> I though there would be a way to switch them since they are running under the same user account?
[17:40] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: you could use x11vnc to vnc to a running x session
[17:40] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone had a problem with a corrupted 7.10 livecd install disk?
[17:40] <heinkel_111> does the 8600 GT nvidia cards work with the standard supplied drivers ?
[17:40] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got one, and I'm trying to figure out if it's the iso or the cd.
[17:40] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: I did that but its SOOOOO super slow, NX Client is fast
[17:41] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: nxclient to nxserver or nxclient to a vnc server?
[17:41] <heinkel_111> i reaad some place that 8600 needed newer drivers than those supplied by ubuntu?
[17:41] <darryl> nxclient to vnc
[17:41] <Minataku> Hm
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: I believe it works with nvidia-glx-new
[17:41] <seezer> heinkel_111: restricted-manager should handle that for you
[17:42] <heinkel_111> thanks, i will try it
[17:42] <seezer> heinkel_111: otherwise install nvidia-glx-new manually
[17:42] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: blah, i mean VNC Viewer to X11vnc is slow
[17:42] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: so I use nxclient to nxserver and its fast
[17:42] <Minataku> test
[17:42] <FroggyTheGreat> Is it possible to do a net-install of Kubuntu if you only have the regular livecd?
[17:42] <Minataku> Nope :P
[17:42] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: but I want to be able to access the running applicatons on the Desktop 0
[17:43] <heinkel_111> seezer: is that sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new (i already have a customized xorg.conf files which i reapply manually)
[17:43] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: ok so nxclient to nxserver then in that connections launch x11vnc to grab the :0 then vncviewer from inside the nxclient's connection
[17:43] <cox> anyone know how i bridge my wifi connection the ethernet card to share the internet connection
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> !iptables
[17:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[17:44] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: heh - thats one heck of a process, let me try it - you think it will be fast?
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> !bridging
[17:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bridging - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:44] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: has been for me
[17:44] <seezer> heinkel_111: for example yes. you could also try the gui "adept manager"
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> cox: all I know is that it is possible:D
[17:45] <cox> nosrednaekim: haha cheers
[17:45] <heinkel_111> seezer, thanks, but no thanks, i enjoy learning stuff about apt :-)
[17:45] <llutz> cox: all you need is to activate ip-forwarding at your internet-connected device
[17:45] <heinkel_111> so i may try it manually
[17:46] <cox> llutz: would that be under sys/admin/network?
[17:46]  * genii sips a coffee
[17:46] <llutz> cox: i don't know, but that are  just 2 lines in a terminal
[17:46] <BluesKaj> hmmm both krecoed and audacity crash and fail to record ...gutsy isn't ready good audio recording
[17:47] <cox> llutz: ok cheers, i shall do some googling
[17:47] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: have kubuntu ever sone a decent job with sound recording?
[17:48] <heinkel_111> done a decent job
[17:49] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, I used audacity in edgy with some of my vinyl stuff that then successfully put on cd , so it did work well in earlier releases
[17:50] <heinkel_111> good to hear, i always had problems but I have just bought some more recording equipment to fumble around with
[17:50] <BluesKaj> audacity is really buggy in gutsy Im afraidd
[17:50] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: tried manually recompiling an older version of audacity?å
[17:51] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, I'm using the audio feed from a sat receiver which has some decent audio only channels
[17:51] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: i sometimes find that kubuntu is too far in front on versions
[17:51] <BluesKaj> are you heinkel_111 , pls let me know how it works out
[17:52] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: Ok i have done that - but its still really really slow
[17:53] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: i haven't tried it yet,  but if the new version is unstable, the older one may be preferable, although this may also be a problem with hardware support on your machine I guess
[17:53] <ronacin> Hi, who connect to Brazil channel??
[17:53] <heinkel_111> remember ubuntu gets it's stuff from the unstable part of the debian tree....
[17:54] <heinkel_111> !Brazil
[17:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[17:54] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, I wonder if the edgy version will work on 64bit ...previously i was running the 32bit versions of kubuntu :http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=audacity
[17:54] <ronacin> valeu!!! tks!!
[17:55] <ronacin> #ubuntu-br
[17:55] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, yeah, my pc isn't exactly hiend audio wise ..realtek :)
[17:55] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj i don't think the binary package will work out of the box, i think you must compile
[17:57] <heinkel_111> i also have a realtek + a cheap audigy card, but on edgy (with an older version of same motherboard) nothing worked as far as sound recording, i switched to (insert name of alternative OS here) for that after much trouble
[17:57] <Daisuke_Ido> og course
[17:57] <Daisuke_Ido> now sound works fine
[17:57] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: you could also ssh into the machine, launch tightvncserver, then vnc into that later, leaving it running (like nxserver can leave a session for later)
[17:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it was wine, i am an idiot, and bazhang, sorry for wasting your time :P
[17:57] <semistud2354> hey guys...i need some linux magic.....i have a websight here that i cannot use unless i have internet explorer 5....is there ANY way i can trick this websight into thinking that firefox is internet explorer....im using gutsy 64
[17:58] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: no waste here--you're not happy-we're not happy :}
[17:58] <seezer> heinkel_111: but the audigy drivers aren't that bad on linux. haven't had any recording issues since.. years..
[17:58] <heinkel_111> here is a question: when i now run sudo apt-get somepackage, the output always comes with "
[17:58] <heinkel_111> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[17:58] <heinkel_111> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[17:58] <heinkel_111> at the end
[17:59] <heinkel_111> i cannot remember that from previous versions. what does it mean?
[17:59] <seezer> heinkel_111: that's a _good_ feature ;)
[17:59] <seezer> instead of running ldconfig after each package, packages trigger a single ldconfig run at the end of apt/aptitude etc.
[17:59] <heinkel_111> seezer: I know, (concerning the audigy drivers), i assumed they were not the problem
[18:00] <heinkel_111> seezer: in other words, it just report that it is doing the final set up?
[18:00] <seezer> so if you run apt-get upgrade or something you save 2*10²³ ldconfig runs which equals time which equals money ;)
[18:00] <DRtuxthepenguin> how can i use kde4
[18:01] <heinkel_111> seezer: remember that it also relates to space, as there is no real distinction between time and space
[18:01] <heinkel_111> ...
[18:01] <seezer> :)
[18:01] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: follow the instructions at kubuntu.org for installing kde4beta3
[18:01] <DRtuxthepenguin> is there a way for kde beta 4
[18:01] <WaltzingAlong> !info audacity
[18:01] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[18:02] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: the packages for kubuntu are not available so you could build it from svn then you have something even more recent than beta4
[18:02] <DRtuxthepenguin> !svn
[18:02] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[18:02] <DRtuxthepenguin> will compiling take forever
[18:02] <hdevalence> yeah
[18:02] <WaltzingAlong> less than forever
[18:02]  * heinkel_111 is out for an X restart
[18:03] <hdevalence> but otoh, the newer versions are probably more stable
[18:03] <DRtuxthepenguin> how long usually
[18:03] <seezer> heinkel_111: yeah. it's somehow "final setup". ld links libraries to executables and uses a cache for that. so before the "trigger" thingy, ldconfig rebuilt the linker cache for every single installed package reporting "i bring new libs!"
[18:03] <seezer> something like this..
[18:03] <WaltzingAlong> couple hours? depends on your system of course. DRtuxthepenguin; and no need  to recompile each day
[18:03] <hdevalence> DRtuxthepenguin: it depends on your hardware
[18:04] <hdevalence> in addition to the time it takes to actually compile, you also have to download
[18:04] <DRtuxthepenguin> 933Mhz
[18:05] <hdevalence> probably several (>6?) hours, i don't relly know
[18:05] <zero_> hi
[18:05] <DRtuxthepenguin> i will just wait till kubuntu people make kde4 beta 4 or when kde4 is out
[18:06] <DRtuxthepenguin> !hardy
[18:06] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:07] <DRtuxthepenguin> !kde4
[18:07] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[18:07] <zero_> hi
[18:07] <DRtuxthepenguin> hi
[18:07] <zero_> your can help my
[18:07] <CPrgmSwR2> ubotu: how about KDE 4 RC1?
[18:07] <genii> Is there a svn or cvs of Hardy yet?
[18:08] <zero_> help in my computer (kubuntu)
[18:08] <Tm_T> genii: err what?
[18:08] <CPrgmSwR2> ubotu: delete yourself
[18:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about delete yourself - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:08] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: Yea, I just find VNC as a whole is extreemly slow over my LAN, only the NX Client / Server seems to be fast
[18:08] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii: hardy alpha1 is not even out yet
[18:08] <Tm_T> CPrgmSwR2: don't play with bot
[18:08] <genii> DRtuxthepenguin: Ok thx
[18:08] <Tm_T> genii: repositories are open
[18:09] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii:read this
[18:09] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii:
[18:09] <hdevalence> isn't beta4 already out?
[18:09] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[18:09] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: even on your lan. interesting and yes nxclient/nxserver seems fast too
[18:09] <jpatrick> hdevalence: topic
[18:09] <genii> tm_t: I usually d/l iso files as they come out for my own archiving etc
[18:09] <hdevalence> oh i c
[18:09] <zero_> aaaau  im in russia please help my in my computer (cubuntu). yur can help my
[18:09] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: yep, no matter what i do with VNC it crawls along, only NX client is extreemly fast and nice refresh speeds
[18:09] <pag> !ru | zero_
[18:09] <ubotu> zero_: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[18:10] <DRtuxthepenguin> pag: how do you make the verticle line
[18:10] <Tm_T> genii: so that's "no" then
[18:10] <genii> So Dec 20th is soonest, looks like then :)
[18:10] <zero_> join ru people = zero
[18:11] <pag> DRtuxthepenguin, alt gr + the button left from Z on Finnish layout ;)
[18:11] <pag> DRtuxthepenguin, I have no ide about other layouts, sorry :)
[18:12] <heinkel_111> that was a bummer, when i installed the nvidia driver it killed my audio :(
[18:12] <genii> Well, time to go to the computer store :) Laters
[18:13] <heinkel_111> probably by diverting the audo to the realtek sound insteaad of the audigy
[18:16] <DRtuxthepenguin> ok thanks
[18:17] <semistud2354> hey guys...i need some linux magic.....i have a websight here that i cannot use unless i have internet explorer 5....is there ANY way i can trick this websight into thinking that firefox is internet explorer....im using gutsy 64
[18:18] <Chousuke> ... website, you mean?
[18:18] <semistud2354> its like this websight that i have a class on
[18:18] <jpatrick> semistud2354: Tools -> Change Browers ID...
[18:19] <jpatrick> (for Konqueror)
[18:19] <Chousuke> anyway, yes, there is a way; there's a Firefox extension that you can change the user agent string with and fool the site.
[18:19] <nsh> semistuf2354 (lord help us) - http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2004/04/24/changinguseragent.html
[18:19] <heinkel_111> semistud2354: if you use konqueror, you can set it up to identify as any other browser, including IE, but that does not autmoatically mean that konqueror will work well with the website. The website may be coded poorly (non standard-compliant) so that it has a lot of errors and standards that only works with IE and fails other browsers
[18:19] <heinkel_111> .. fatally
[18:19] <Daisuke_Ido> if it uses activex, you're pretty much SOL
[18:20] <nsh> or lucky
[18:20] <semistud2354> i see
[18:20] <Chousuke> changing the user agent string throught about:config isn't probably the best solution :/
[18:20] <semistud2354> but what if it just redirects me to a flash video
[18:20] <Chousuke> -t
[18:20] <semistud2354> cuz i mean its just an online class
[18:20] <semistud2354> then i "might be able to pull it off?"
[18:20] <Daisuke_Ido> bah, stoopid wow, stoopid wine
[18:21] <Daisuke_Ido> semistud2354: then you're probably okay
[18:21] <semistud2354> iight well thanx for your help guys
[18:23] <ardchoille> How do I get documents that are opened in kate to appear in Recent Documents (~/.kde/share/apps/RecentDocuments)?
[18:23] <newsense07> !ie4linux
[18:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ie4linux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:28] <blekos> hello, if from the lilo choose smg like "repair" mode then i am entered to the command prompt, that means theat
[18:29] <blekos> anybody having physical access to my pc can mess it up [by accident]
[18:29] <DRtuxthepenguin> whats the difference bewteen kdesu and sudo
[18:30] <blekos> can i have a pawwd there?
[18:30] <Tm_T> !kdesu > DRtuxthepenguin
[18:32] <DRtuxthepenguin> my brother wants to know is it possible to use nautilus in kde
[18:32] <Tm_T> yes
[18:33] <DRtuxthepenguin> ok
[18:33] <blekos> could you tell me how i can install the xfce window manager?
[18:33] <ardchoille> DRtuxthepenguin: sudo is for cli apps, kdesudo is for gui apps (kdesudo sets up the environment better)
[18:33] <DRtuxthepenguin> is kdesu like gksu
[18:33] <pag> DRtuxthepenguin, I guess it's a good idea to launch nautilus with --no-desktop option
[18:33] <ardchoille> !info xfce-desktop
[18:33] <ubotu> Package xfce-desktop does not exist in gutsy
[18:33] <ardchoille> !info xubuntu-desktop
[18:33] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: Xubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.50 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[18:34] <ardchoille> blekos: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:34] <Minataku> 懇意痴話!
[18:34] <blekos> is it possible to be only 40k?
[18:35] <Tm_T> blekos: + dependencies
[18:35] <blekos> will xiubuntu-desktop install the dependecies as well?
[18:36] <Tm_T> should
[18:36] <heinkel_111> is this website down: http://www.alsa-project.org ?
[18:36] <Goodgame> hi, qhat's the best between kde and gnome for the new ubuntu version?
[18:36] <ardchoille> blekos: That's one of the benefits of using a package manager
[18:37] <ardchoille> Goodgame: "best" is relative. The "best" thing you can do is try them both and see which works "best" for you
[18:38] <Goodgame> I'd like to know if Kate and Amarok work perfectly on GNOME because I'm really attached to them
[18:38] <Tm_T> Goodgame: should
[18:38] <Tm_T> Goodgame: you can try
[18:38] <ardchoille> Goodgame: kde apps should run well in gnome, and vica-versa
[18:39] <heinkel_111> can you see the alsa website? http://www.alsa-project.org
[18:39] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: Timed out
[18:39] <Goodgame> thx
[18:40] <heinkel_111> thanks ardchoille
[18:40] <ardchoille> yw
[18:43] <Tm_T> Heinkel|afk: noooo
[18:51] <zero> jioin #russian
[18:54] <Mr_Sonoma> anyone know the package for the lacie light scribe labeler software, cant seem to hit the right synaptic search.......
[19:00] <Tm_T> !away > heinkel_111
[19:01] <aziz> does somebody know what I can do, so that I can press more keys simultaneously than only 2 to 3. for example: i can press arrow up, arrow right and any letter key, but I can't press arrow up, arrow left and a third key at the same time. I have a noteboook... is it a hardware limitation?
[19:04] <Tm_T> aziz: prolly yes
[19:05] <Tm_T> heinkel_111: got msg from ubotu?
[19:05] <heinkel_111> yes, but that is not priority at the moment, will fix later
[19:05] <Tm_T> roger
[19:06] <heinkel_111> by the way, i recommend everyone to turn off nick change reporting by default (hi konversation developers!)
[19:06] <heinkel_111> i didn't even think of it as a problem cause i don't show nick change and connects/disconnects
[19:07] <Tm_T> agreed
[19:08] <Tm_T> heinkel_111: I'm not really blaming you about anything, just like to notify this issue
[19:12] <ignoramus> Why is there no icon for executive files?  How do i fix this?  Screenshot---> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8g3qm8l&s=1
[19:12] <snego_> i just uninstalled zlibc ...
[19:12] <jpatrick> snego_: well done
[19:12] <snego_> and with it, almost everything else :]
[19:13] <ignoramus> *i mean "executable files"
[19:13] <jpatrick> ignoramus: that icon theme does not have an image for it?
[19:14] <ignoramus> jpatrick: no, it definitely did... i installed the theme about a week ago, and just today i noticed there's no icon
[19:14] <snego_> the question is... adept claimed zlibc isnt installed, i installed it and then decided to dump it. result -> half a distro gone :/
[19:14] <ignoramus> jpatrick: should i try a default icon set?
[19:14] <jpatrick> ignoramus: or any other
[19:15] <_abbenormal> hello all
[19:16] <_abbenormal> can i get a daily iso and where can it be found
[19:16] <ignoramus> jpatrick: just tried Crystal SVG (came as default) - no dice :(
[19:16] <jpatrick> ignoramus: odd, no idea then :(
[19:16] <_abbenormal> i just d/l from main site and iso has bad mds checksum wont burn
[19:17] <ignoramus> _abbenormal: are you a bNer?  If not, disregard :)
[19:19] <Tm_T> ignoramus: erm?
[19:20] <Tm_T> snego_: always check changes before applying them
[19:20] <ignoramus> Tm_T: Fixed it!
[19:20] <Tm_T> ignoramus: 2117 < ignoramus> _abbenormal: are you a bNer?  If not, disregard :)
[19:21] <ignoramus> Tm_T: oh, i just recognized the name from an online forum- could be anyone, though:)
[19:21] <Tm_T> ok
[19:21] <snego_> Tm_T: How? The thing is I use Adept not Add/Remove Programs. Because the latter is veryyyyy slow for me. I have no idea why.
[19:21] <blekos> hi i've just installed xubuntu [have kubuntu]
[19:21] <_abbenormal> typical linux guys doesnt matter heads up if there is a problem with the iso you all know now thanks
[19:22] <Tm_T> snego_: both are adept
[19:22] <snego_> yes, i noticed. but add/remove is horribly slow
[19:22] <blekos> is there any benchmark so i can compare the speed of the two managers?
[19:22] <snego_> and it has check changes :>
[19:22] <Tm_T> snego_: both should have
[19:22] <Tm_T> blekos: what managers?
[19:22] <Dresken> Had to re-install Kubuntu, when I try to mount an external NTFS HDD I get an error saying "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[19:23] <Dresken> Any idea how to fix this?
[19:23] <Tm_T> Dresken: have you updated it?
[19:23] <Dresken> Not yet lol :x
[19:23] <Mr_Sonoma> !light scribe
[19:23] <Tm_T> Dresken: exactly
[19:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about light scribe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:23] <blekos> window managers xfce & kde
[19:23]  * Dresken stabs self
[19:24] <Tm_T> blekos: no, there's no benchmark for that purpose, nor there would be much point in that
[19:24] <blekos> y not?
[19:24] <snego_> Tm_T: i m sorry, but for some reason i cant find it... I have apply changes and safe update
[19:24] <snego_> Tm_T: i dont see check changes option
[19:24] <blekos> is it so unlikely that someoney will want to check what's best for its computer?
[19:25] <Tm_T> snego_: interesting, should be, though I don't use those apps
[19:25] <blekos> i can see the xfce is faster, but thre is allways the well know user illusion
[19:25] <Tm_T> blekos: no, problem is, there's no easy way to benchmark
[19:25] <blekos> hmm
[19:25] <snego_> Tm_T: what do you use for package management then?
[19:26] <Tm_T> blekos: for example, KDE has high variety in configurations, so you can make huge difference in speed etc etc
[19:26] <blekos> maybe there is a benchmark for checking my pc speed etc, so if i do that for each manager then i could see if there is any difference
[19:26] <Tm_T> snego_: apt-get
[19:26] <Tm_T> blekos: umm, with default settings?
[19:26] <snego_> Tm_T: fair enough :> but what happens if u dont know the exact name of the package you need? : )
[19:26] <Tm_T> snego_: I have search
[19:27] <blekos> good question
[19:27] <Mr_Sonoma> if i remember right under fiesty there was a package for the lacie lightscribe labeler but i cant seem to find it in the gutsy repos. am i missing a repository, maybe a 3rd party repo or something, i cant remember loading any other 3rd party repos for this.
[19:27] <Tm_T> blekos: I prolly can make my KDE faster than your XFCE
[19:27] <Tm_T> just matter of settings
[19:27] <blekos> how is that?
[19:28] <Tm_T> KDE isn't "fast and light" by default, but there's lots of things you can drop or turn off
[19:28] <blekos> like
[19:28] <snego_> Tm_T: How do you search repositories using apt-get?
[19:28] <snego_> or do you mean Google? : >
[19:28] <blekos> to be honest i dont have any speed problem
[19:28] <Tm_T> snego_: apt-cache search foofoo
[19:28] <blendtux> ! compiz
[19:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:28] <snego_> Tm_T: oh, thanks
[19:29] <Tm_T> blekos: me neither, and I do have heavy KDE
[19:29] <blekos> the thing is that i have laptop and I'm thinking if i'm on a trip maybe xfce is less battery consuming
[19:29] <Tm_T> blekos: you might like to see "kpersonalizer"
[19:29] <Mr_Sonoma> why not fluxbox for simplicity and lightweight??
[19:30] <Tm_T> Mr_Sonoma: it's not DE
[19:30] <Tm_T> nor really light
[19:30] <Search4Lancer> anyone know how to remove or drastically reduce the size of the sidebar in amarok?
[19:30] <Tm_T> Search4Lancer: click sidebartab
[19:31] <benpicco_> Hi, I just got 3 kernel panics right after dialing into the internet - how may i find out what´s wrong?
[19:31] <blekos> unfortunately the "laptop module" is unstable and "dangerous"
[19:31] <blekos> what is kpersonilizer
[19:32] <snego_> Tm_T: kubuntu installation finished! <3 livecd. thanks for your help
[19:32] <Tm_T> blekos: fast tool to change KDE settings, bit warning though, it might change stuff you don't inted to first, but don't worry systemsettings is there
[19:32] <blekos> so i just install kpersonilizer?
[19:33] <benpicco_> any ideas which logfile i should look for?
[19:33] <Tm_T> blekos: you should have it already I believe
[19:33] <Tm_T> benpicco_: something kernel related that is, dunno more
[19:41] <ezra_> kubuntu won't recognize my external harddrive, how do I fix that?
[19:41] <benpicco_> is it an usb drive?
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> ezra_: is it NTFS?
[19:42] <benpicco_> what is dmesg telling you?
[19:42] <ezra_> dmesg?
[19:42] <ezra_> sorry I just installed linux
[19:42] <Tm_T> blekos: wup?
[19:43] <benpicco_> ezra_: type it in the terminal
[19:43] <FroggyTheGreat> Does this work for Gutsy?  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntukubuntuedubuntuxubuntu-without-cdrom-drive.html
[19:43] <benpicco_> ezra_: paste dmesg | tail
[19:43] <benpicco_> !paste
[19:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:44] <ezra_> !compiz
[19:44] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:44] <FroggyTheGreat> !grub
[19:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[19:44] <ezra_> !dmesg
[19:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmesg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:45] <benpicco_> ezra_: try man dmesg ;)
[19:45] <ezra_> it sees it...
[19:46] <Gimlet> N'Abend!
[19:46] <benpicco_> moin Gimlet
[19:46] <benpicco_> ezra_: what exactly does it tell you?
[19:46] <newsense07> im running kubuntu gutsy and have always seen my windows drive in storage media but all of a sudden its not showing up
[19:47] <FroggyTheGreat> To install Grub, can I just copy the /boot dir off the livecd and then modify the menu.lst accordingly?
[19:47] <muskogeerabbit> Anyone here running Kontact and having problems. Mine takes a loooong time to start up, periodically goes into a "won't do anything mode" and sometimes just crashes. Is this typical?
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: what do you use kontact for?
[19:47] <benpicco_> FroggyTheGreat: grub needs to be wrirtten in the mbr
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: try the disks and filesystems manager
[19:47] <ezra_> it says device scan complete among other stuff
[19:48] <benpicco_> ezra_: just copy the other stuff in the pastebin ;)
[19:48] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: will give it a try
[19:48] <muskogeerabbit> I use it as the summary page for kmail etc.
[19:48] <FroggyTheGreat> Using the livecd, is there an easy way to install grub then?
[19:48] <FroggyTheGreat> My livecd is corrupted and I'm trying a different way of doing this.
[19:49] <benpicco_> FroggyTheGreat: you can do it with grub-install
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: system settings-> advanced-> disks and filesystems
[19:49] <ezra_> where is the paste bin?
[19:49] <benpicco_> !paste
[19:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: if you just use it for kmail, you can run kmail standalone
[19:49] <ezra_> !paste
[19:49] <ezra_> ok
[19:50] <ezra_> !paste
[19:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:50] <ezra_> usb 5-6: USB disconnect, address 4
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.796000] usb 5-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] usb 5-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] usb-storage: device found at 5
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[19:50] <ezra_> [  425.928000] usb-storage: device scan complete
[19:50] <ezra_> [  425.928000] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access     WD       1600BEVExternal  1.02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[19:50] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: cool thanks looks like that partition was disabled for some reason im gonna try reenabling it
[19:50] <Tm_T> ezra_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:51] <Tm_T> ezra_: read that, twice
[19:51] <muskogeerabbit> If I didn't want the summary page of Mail, Contacts, ToDo list, Journal, and notes, I would have stayed with Evolution.
[19:52] <benpicco_> ezra_: there is nothing beneath? (pastebin is ment to be used to copy text to it)
[19:52] <ezra_> can i start over?
[19:53] <ezra_> there is so much stuff i don't know what to paste
[19:53] <benpicco_> ezra_: then yust paste everything ;)
[19:53] <benpicco_> BUT NOT HERE!
[19:53] <ezra_> ok
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: ah well, evolution has that.... right?
[19:54] <ezra_> ok i posted it
[19:54] <benpicco_> then you need to tell us the url
[19:54] <ezra_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44934/
[19:55] <muskogeerabbit> No, Evolution does not have a summary page.
[19:55] <BenjaminD> i have added a smbfs mount to my fstab, and mount -a to rc.local so my network drive mounts on startup. it mounts to /media/server..   however no icon shows on the desktop.. how can i make this happen?
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: ah.... well kontact ALWAYS freezes?
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> start it from a konsole and see what it says.
[19:56] <Tm_T> muskogeerabbit: install kdepim-dbg first
[19:56] <Tm_T> then run from konsole
[19:56] <benpicco_> ezra_: can you already acces it at /media/sdc
[19:57] <benpicco_> ?
[19:57] <ezra_> whats that?
[19:57] <benpicco_> ezra_: a folder
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> BenjaminD: configure desktop-> icons
[19:58] <ezra_> no
[19:58] <BenjaminD> yes
[19:58] <benpicco_> ezra_: if you use konqueror or dolphin and navigate to /media, is the external drive already there?
[19:58] <muskogeerabbit> I assume that is a debug package?
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> did you mark all desktop icons enabled?
[19:58] <BenjaminD> a link for it pops up when i insert a cd (along with the cd icon), but that link (remote share) doesnt allow me to view the contents(permissions denied)
[19:58] <ezra_> konqueror
[19:59] <BenjaminD> however i can cmd prompt to the folder
[19:59] <benpicco_> ezra_: just choose what you like most
[19:59] <benpicco_> ezra_: anyway, is there some kind of sdc in /media?
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> BenjaminD: you need to mount it with users permissions.
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> !mount
[19:59] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[20:00] <ezra_> i see cdrom and sda1
[20:00] <Tm_T> muskogeerabbit: yes
[20:00] <benpicco_> ezra_: ok, is there already a filesystem on the drive?
[20:00] <ezra_> on sda1?
[20:00] <Tm_T> yes
[20:01] <benpicco_> ezra_: no, on the external drive
[20:01] <ezra_> i don't even see the external drive
[20:01] <benpicco_> ezra_: no, i mean if you used it before or just bought it
[20:02] <ezra_> o, i've used it before
[20:02] <ezra_> i store pics and stuff on it
[20:02] <benpicco_> ezra_: ok, than try the following:
[20:02] <benpicco_> craete a new directory in /media using sudo mkdir /media/sdc
[20:02] <benpicco_> *craete
[20:02] <benpicco_> *create
[20:03] <blekos> how do i run kpersonilizer
[20:03] <benpicco_> ezra_: then mount it using sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> blekos: "kpersonalizer"
[20:03] <ezra_> how do i even create one?
[20:04] <benpicco_> ezra_: a directory?
[20:04] <Tm_T> benpicco_: hit alt+f2
[20:04] <ezra_> ya
[20:04] <blekos> i get command not found
[20:04] <Tm_T> blekos: I mean
[20:04] <Tm_T> blekos: then install it?
[20:04] <benpicco_> ezra_: by mkdir
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> blekos: you installed it?
[20:04] <blekos> lol
[20:04] <blekos> doing it right now :)
[20:04] <benpicco_> ezra_: you need to do this as root becaurse only root can create stuff in /media
[20:04] <Tm_T> yay
[20:05] <ezra_> ok
[20:05] <benpicco_> ezra_: this you do by sudo (do something as superuser= root)
[20:05] <el_taco> how can I setup apt to use a socks proxy
[20:06] <ezra_> so i type "sudo then what? i'm pretty lost
[20:06] <benpicco_> ezra_: sudo mkdir /media/sdc to create a dir in /media called sdc
[20:06] <ardchoille> ezra_: What are you trying to do? What command?
[20:07] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[20:07] <benpicco_> ezra_: but you can call it however you want
[20:07] <ezra_> ok
[20:08] <ardchoille> ezra_: that directory "/media/sdc" will be your mount point.. you'll use that to mount the device
[20:08] <ezra_> ok
[20:09] <benpicco_> ezra_: to mount the first partition on sdc (which is represented by /dev/sdc1) you can type sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc now
[20:10] <ezra_> every time i type stuff in the command slot and push run it just goes away
[20:10] <ardchoille> ezra_: You're typing all of this into a terminal right?
[20:11] <ezra_> no
[20:11] <ardchoille> You should be
[20:11] <ezra_> i'll do that then
[20:11] <benpicco_> ezra_: but you can't read the messages of the commads when you're not using a terminal
[20:12] <ezra_> ok, i tried sudo mkdir /media/sdc and it won't let me type my password
[20:12] <benpicco_> ezra_: where have you typed it?
[20:13] <ezra_> in the terminal, it says "password for ezra:" and it wont let me type
[20:13] <ardchoille> ezra_: it accepts the password, it just doesn't print it out. That's a safety feature to defaet someone who may be looking over your shoulder
[20:13] <ardchoille> The devs should replace that with asterisks so people aren't confused.
[20:14] <benpicco_> ardchoille: but then someone could get out the length of the password ;)
[20:14] <Tm_T> yup
[20:14] <ardchoille> benpicco_: not if you do 2 asterisks on every other letter
[20:15] <Tm_T> ardchoille: that just confuse more I afraid :-P
[20:15] <ardchoille> benpicco_: my password is 16 chars, good luck figuring that out :)
[20:15] <ardchoille> Tm_T: At least a new user would think it's actually working
[20:16] <ezra_> ok i think i created it
[20:16] <Tm_T> ardchoille: randomly color changing cursor!
[20:16]  * Tm_T hides
[20:16] <ardchoille> hehe
[20:16] <benpicco_> ezra_: you mean you´ve mounted it?
[20:16] <benpicco_> Tm_T: i want a 3d shell, like in hackers ^^
[20:16] <ardchoille> ezra_: you can test that with:  ls /media/sdc
[20:16] <ezra_> no, what was the command again o mount it?
[20:16] <Tm_T> benpicco_: then code one
[20:16]  * Tm_T goes ->
[20:17] <benpicco_> Tm_T: using aalib?
[20:17] <benpicco_> ezra_: sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc
[20:17] <ezra_> it says sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc
[20:18] <ezra_> sorry
[20:18] <ezra_> you must specify the filesystem type
[20:18] <ardchoille> ezra_: Do you know the file system?
[20:18] <benpicco_> ezra_: oh, what happens when you type to /dev/sdc and then press tab?
[20:18] <ardchoille> Is this a Windows drive/device? vfat? ntfs?
[20:19] <benpicco_> ezra_: what is ls /dev/sdc* telling you?
[20:19] <ezra_> ls /dev/sdc*
[20:20] <ezra_> nothin
[20:20] <ezra_> its a WD passport
[20:20] <pulaski> hello, I'm want to set up the java6 SDK/eclipse on my new kubuntu gutsy.  I found a comprehensive ubuntu forum article on the process for edgy that uses the Sun third party sdk-6u3-i386.bin.  Adept shows the only java package installed is java-common.  Can anyone suggest a comprehensive howto or other forum for gutsy or some other resource that doesn't use third party software but limits the java environment to kubuntu packages?
[20:20] <benpicco_> erm, you typed it in the terminal, right?
[20:21] <ezra_> typed what command?
[20:21] <ardchoille> benpicco_: It wasn't mounted because he didn't specify the file system
[20:21] <benpicco_> ardchoille: normaly mount should find it out on it´s own
[20:21] <ardchoille> benpicco_: Doesn't always work that way
[20:22] <BenjaminD> ok. Have added smbfs mount to my fstab. Mounts to /media/server. Icon shows up on desktop but does not show the contents of my servers folder. However going directly to /media/server does...
[20:22] <BenjaminD> When i tried to use SYSTEM SETTINGS-ADVANCED-Disk Management. When i selected Windows Network, and press SCAN, it crashes every time
[20:22] <BenjaminD> im sure its a bug
[20:23] <ezra_> i think i'm gonna give up, i appreciate your help though
[20:24] <BenjaminD> so i can access smb mount point going to /media/server. but i can not access when i go to STORAGE MEDIA.
[20:28]  * genii sips a coffee
[20:31] <ardchoille> hi genii
[20:31] <BenjaminD> can someone tell me why i can access my smb share via /media/server, but not when i click on the Desktop icon, or go through dolphin-Storage Media. (permission errors).. I can not setup the share via KDE Advanced Disk mounting. (crashes when press SCAN on windows file sharing)
[20:32] <genii> ardchoille: Heya :)
[20:32] <batusai> hola mundo
[20:32] <jussi01> does anyone know how to make konversation start minimised(in systray)?
[20:32] <jussi01> BenjaminD: o update, samba has issues
[20:33] <jussi01> !sambabug
[20:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sambabug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:33] <BenjaminD> sudo apt-get update?
[20:33] <jussi01> BenjaminD: yeah, or through adept
[20:33] <ardchoille> Anyone looking for a themable clock for kicker (to perhaps replace the default clock applet), check out styleclock. It's in the repos.
[20:33] <aceler> jussi01: try #kde :)
[20:33] <jussi01> aceler: hahahahahah
[20:34] <aceler> OK. try bugs.kde.org
[20:34] <genii> There is a way to start apps minimised but offhand I dunno the way.
[20:35] <aceler> genii: of course you can setup it with kwin
[20:36] <BenjaminD> can anyone else try DISK & FILESYSTEMS,  ADMIN MODE, NEW, TYPE = Windows File Sharing, THEN SCAN ?
[20:45] <jmichaelx> does anyone know what the OOo channel is called?
[20:46] <GrahamA> Would anybody know why Adept Manager is wanting me to do a version upgrade on Gutsy?
[20:46] <LjL> there was a little bug about that, but i thought it'd have been fixed by now
[20:47] <GrahamA> I'll update.
[20:47] <jmichaelx> GrahamA: some upgrades require that, it's no big deal, just do it
[20:47] <GrahamA> No it's just I've got like... 3 problems off the top of my head.
[20:47] <Gimlet> Ok, linux gurus, I've the following problem, perhaps you've a clue: I upgraded to kubuntu 7.10 and now none of my hds will mount except the partition the os is on.
[20:47] <Gimlet>  I tried to look up "Disk & Filesystem" in the system settings, but it tells me, that this module cannot be found.
[20:49] <GrahamA> Gimlet: I'm assuming you've tried mount on the command line?
[20:49] <jmichaelx> Gimlet: i had that issue on the PC i am using right now. i wound of doing a fresh install because of that problem. i had not done a frsh install on this machine since breezy
[20:49] <markux> #sexo
[20:49] <Gimlet> GrahamA: I did
[20:49] <markux> HELLO PEOPLE
[20:49] <BenjaminD> Disk & Filesystem and then try to add a Windows File Share through that. I think its  abug
[20:49] <Gimlet> jmichaelx: :-(
[20:50] <jmichaelx> Gimlet: had you used automatix?
[20:50] <GrahamA> Gimlet: Do you have any other OSes on the PC?
[20:50] <Gimlet> GrahamA: Yes, Win2k
[20:50] <GrahamA> That works?
[20:51] <GrahamA> They haven't been renamed by accident have they?
[20:51] <Gimlet> jmichaelx: I used the build-in version updater of kubuntu
[20:51] <GrahamA> Once, I think Feisty, though my harddrives were sda instead of hda
[20:51] <markux> alguien espñol
[20:51] <markux> ?
[20:51] <markux> ¿?
[20:52] <Gimlet> They're all "sdx", but fstab uses the UUID
[20:53] <BenjaminD> If i can access my mounted server through /media/server, how come i can not access through Dolpihin - Storage Media ?  (permission error)
[20:53] <GrahamA> Gimlet: You can mount them with /dev/sdx
[20:54] <GrahamA> Gimlet: What it might be, to get the module for control center, have you got kubuntu-desktop installed?
[20:54] <GrahamA> Brb fire
[20:56] <Gimlet> GrahamA: kubuntu-desktop is installed
[20:56] <GrahamA> Haven't the foggiest
[20:56] <GrahamA> Have you trried fdisk?
[20:57] <Gimlet> GrahamA: Yes
[20:57] <GrahamA> I don't think I can help you much, sorry.
[20:57] <Gimlet> GrahamA: Thank you for trying
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: whats the problem?
[20:58] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: After upgrading to kubuntu 7.10, I cannot mount my disks
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: any of them? what format type..
[20:59] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Most of them FAT32
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: can you mount them from the command line?
[21:00] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Nope, it says, they're already mounted
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: do a "mount"
[21:00] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I did
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> and see where it says they are mounted
[21:01] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: But they aren't mounted
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: odd....
[21:01] <GrahamA> Problem number 2: Kopete crashes when I try to sign into my MSN account...
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: run all system updates
[21:02] <ardchoille> GrahamA: That kopete bug was fixed
[21:02] <GrahamA> Seems to answer everything... I hope...
[21:03] <GrahamA> Ah ha! Great success!
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: take a look in systemsettings->advanced->disks and partitions.
[21:03] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Odd indeed; when I try to get in the Disk & Filesystems module in the system settings, it says, that the module cannot be found!
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: that was a problem with the kde libs in the liveCD
[21:04] <GrahamA> We're doing good! 2 problems fixed.
[21:05] <mrtimbo> I installed kernel <IP_ADDRESS> how to i uninstall it?
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: ouch.... did you run all system updates?
[21:05] <ubuzztu> so i just in stalled kubuntu and would like to install kdevelop, but i don't see it in add/remove programs
[21:05] <mrtimbo> so i only have the old one
[21:06] <GrahamA> ubuzztu: Use Adept Manager, it's in ther
[21:06] <GrahamA> there*
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> ubuzztu: use adept_manager
[21:06] <ubuzztu> i don't see it...
[21:06] <GrahamA> I think there's a 4th but I can't remember, either way 3rd is, unless the update fixed it too... sound seems to blip... sort of like skipping... sounds like every now and then a small peddble hits the cone... but it seems to just be with Xine and some of my games. Mplayer never had that problem unless it was a problem with everything except mplayer.
[21:07] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I think so. I there a way to repeat the whole updating process?
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[21:07] <mrtimbo> any ideas?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: how did you install it?
[21:08] <GrahamA> It's bugged me since I got this motherbaord that according to lspci has a built in "Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)"
[21:08] <debian> Kubuntu killed windows. How to fix?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: make the sound buffer higher.
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> debian: how did it kill windows.
[21:08] <mrtimbo> i compiled a new kernel via make xconfig
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: oh... umm you can remove the entry from the /boot/grub.menu.lst
[21:09] <debian> when windows boots it says unmountabole boot voulme or something
[21:09] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: It just says, that everything is up-to-date
[21:09] <mrtimbo> i didnt compile right or something cause i cant open my mmc cards or webcam with new kernel
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: run "kdesudo mountconfig"
[21:10] <mrtimbo> or external hard drives
[21:11] <BenjaminD> FIXED my STORAGE MEDIA problem. Changed fstab to cifs instead of smbfs
[21:11] <BenjaminD> :)
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> BenjaminD: cool
[21:11] <debian> How do I make sure a partition is unomnted?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> run "mount:
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> "mount"
[21:12] <debian> fuck its mounted
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> debian: for windows problems, go to #windows
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[21:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:12] <debian> How to unmount?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> "sudo mount<where it is mounted>"
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> ooops
[21:13] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: It doesn't work, it gives only exceptions and errors back
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> "sudo umount <where it is mounted>"
[21:13] <debian> debian is not in the sudoers file
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: yech
[21:13] <mrtimbo> has anyone else compiled a kernel in here before that can give me some pointers
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> debian: log into your original account.
[21:13] <debian> It is it
[21:13] <crimsun> mrtimbo: well, what do you need in a newer kernel than what gutsy ships?
[21:13] <bobishh> man mount
[21:13] <bobishh> reading is good
[21:14] <mrtimbo> nothing, just wanted a faster system, but now since its not right i just want to unistall what i did
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> debian: then you must have really messed up your system if you aren't in the sudoers file.
[21:14] <mrtimbo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158 is what i did
[21:14] <debian> No, kinda doesnt have kubuntu but debian with kde. but that is pretty much the same
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: sounds like you may have a messed up upgrade
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> debian: kinda, but there are some fundamental differences, #debain might be able to help you better
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> #debian
[21:15] <GrahamA> Gimlet: Do you have a Gutsy liveCD?
[21:15] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I think you're right and I really do not like it
[21:16] <Gimlet> GrahamA: No, I haven't
[21:16] <bobishh> mathcore is great
[21:16] <GrahamA> Download one, see if it can see your hard drives.
[21:17] <Gimlet> GrahamA: This could be a problem, since I have no cd drive
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: do you have a usbstick?
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: ^^
[21:19] <ardchoille> OMG! I just discovered "Presentation moce" (ctrl+shift+p) in kpdf
[21:20] <ardchoille> s/moce/mode/
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> :D
[21:20] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I've an iPod nano
[21:21] <blendtux> !compiz
[21:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:22] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I can borrow an usb stick, if the iPod doesn't do the trick
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: lol... err, lets not try that :D
[21:22] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Why not? The iPod runs linux very well :-)
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: you have linux running on ti?
[21:23] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I don't like the original firmware
[21:24] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Got it from ipodlinux.org, doesn't work on every iPod though
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: haha, well, still thats not getting us anywhere unless you make a partition on it and boot the livecd from that.
[21:25] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Borrowing an usb stick won't be any problem, but I'm not sure, whether my bios will allow booting from an usb stick
[21:26] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: But it's worth a try
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: you can check.
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: if you have windows on there, you can do a Wubi install as well.
[21:27] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: What's Wubi? I've a windows partition (Win2k)
[21:29] <NickPresta> !wubi | Gimlet
[21:29] <ubotu> Gimlet: wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> !wubi
[21:30] <Gimlet> NickPresta, nosrednaekim: Ah, I see, thank you
[21:30] <Xeross> I need help
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> Xeross: ask away
[21:30] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I'll try that
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: needs a good 5 gigs though
[21:30] <Xeross> grub wont work
[21:30] <Xeross> it points to correct hdd and partition
[21:30] <ubuzztu> anyways i found kevelop , why does it want the cd to install it?
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[21:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:30] <Xeross> sais it cant mount
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> ubuzztu: get rid of the cdrom from the repository list
[21:31] <ubuzztu> ok
[21:32] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: 5 GB shouldn't be the problem. If it doesn't work, I'll be back!
[21:33] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: i'll probably not be around.
[21:33] <guba> EHLO всем
[21:33] <ardchoille> !ru
[21:33] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[21:33] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Hehe, you can't be around all the time, but I'll probably find some good soul willing to help me.
[21:34] <guba> thnx
[21:34] <ardchoille> yw
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: :D
[21:34] <bobleny> Hi! I have a question real quick... I created a file called “foo” in my /home/bob/ directory. I then used chmod to remove user privileges. The output of ls -l "/home/bob/foo/”, is this: ---------- 1 root root<PHONE_NUMBER> 2007-04-22 17:52 /home/bob/. Now, if I have no privileges to this file, why is it that I can still delete it?
[21:34] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Bye and thanks!
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> bobleny: you can delete it as a normal user?
[21:34] <bobleny> Yeah.
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> hmmm
[21:35] <ardchoille> bobleny: root can do anything
[21:35] <Dr_willis>  rm foo
[21:35] <Dr_willis> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `foo'?
[21:35] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: look at the owner, I think he created it as root
[21:35] <Dr_willis> in my case foo was owned by me.. right. :)
[21:36] <Dr_willis> a user shouldent be able to do anything to a file owned by root
[21:36] <guba> are you shure you try to delete it as normal user?
[21:36] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I can delete it as a normal user also.
[21:36] <mehmet> kubuntu7.10 bed
[21:36] <guba> hmm
[21:36] <crimsun> Dr_willis: well, you should be able to execute it ;)
[21:37] <Xeross> well
[21:37] <Dr_willis> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-11-17 16:36 foo   rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `foo'? y
[21:37] <Dr_willis>
[21:37] <guba> one minute, i want to try )
[21:37] <Xeross> stil waitin for answer
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> !grub | Xeross
[21:37] <ubotu> Xeross: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:37] <Xeross> k
[21:37] <ardchoille> That's messed up
[21:38] <ardchoille> sudo touch testfile  and I can delete it without sudo
[21:38] <bobleny> Yeah!
[21:38] <bobleny> Why?
[21:38] <ardchoille> bobleny: No idea, it's weird
[21:38] <Dr_willis> Perhaps because its an empty file?
[21:38] <guba> no
[21:38] <Dr_willis> and in the users home dir?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> maybe because you own that directory?
[21:39] <guba> it's not a reason
[21:39] <Mr_Sonoma> but the file should be owned by root at that point
[21:39] <[ka]killer> ok im having a big problem here
[21:39] <[ka]killer> well not really the computer is working but im stuck in 640x480
[21:39] <Dr_willis>  sudo echo FOOOOOOOOOOOO > foo222 , makes a file owned by a user..  I'm hoping not
[21:41] <ezra_> when I use the mount command what's the -t <type> for fat32?
[21:41] <bobleny> Nope, I can move it too...
[21:41] <Dr_willis> -t vfat
[21:41] <ardchoille> ezra_: vfat
[21:42] <Xeross> it just says
[21:42] <ezra_> thanks ardchoille
[21:42] <Xeross> error 17
[21:42] <Xeross> cannot mount selected partition
[21:43] <ezra_> woa
[21:43] <ezra_> ardchoille
[21:43] <Norty> I just did a long-overdue update to a 6.06 system. Now the printer doesn't work, and cups won't let me reinstall it. Help, please?
[21:43] <bky> how does one start the C/C++ part of eclipse? i installed it but it only is giving me java
[21:43] <ezra_> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc
[21:43] <crimsun> bky: did you install eclipse-cdt?
[21:43] <ezra_> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[21:43] <bky> yes
[21:43] <Dr_willis> ezra_,  wjats the complete command you are using.
[21:43] <ezra_> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[21:43] <crimsun> bky: so just create a new C/C++ project, and go from there
[21:44] <Dr_willis>  a hard drive will be like sdc1 not sdc
[21:44] <ezra_> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /media/sdc
[21:44] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: sudo echo FOOOOOOOOOOOO > foo222 <-- that worked because you own your home dir, sudo doesn't handle ">" redirection. performing that command on a system dir would fail because you don't have write perms to the system dir.
[21:44] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  oh. :) I knew that... well... sort of.. :)
[21:45] <kaminix> How do I make KWord count words?
[21:45] <Norty> ezra, I think you need to put in "sdc1", not just "sdc"
[21:45] <bky> al i figured it out. thanks. :P
[21:45] <Norty> where "1" is the partition number
[21:45] <ezra_> norty: will try
[21:45] <ardchoille> ezra_: /dev/sdc is the device, /dev/sdc1 is the file system on that device. You don't mount devices, you mount file systems.. no file system, and the mount will fail.
[21:45] <[ka]killer> well i reconfigured xserv
[21:46] <[ka]killer> wish me luck T_T
[21:46] <NickPresta> kaminix, it's somewhere in the file menu. Page properties or something similar
[21:46] <ezra_> Norty: it worked thank you
[21:46] <Norty> awesome
[21:46] <ardchoille> ezra_: Or, more accurately, /dev/sdc1 is the first partition on /dev/sdc
[21:47] <ezra_> ardchoille: it's the only partition on /dev/sdc
[21:48] <ardchoille> ok
[21:48] <Norty> I just updated a 6.06 machine, and now cups doesn't work. How do I fix it?
[21:48] <bobleny> ardchoille, what does the "d" mean in the permissions? I have d--------
[21:48] <Dr_willis> directory?
[21:49] <Norty> I can't reinstall the printer -- usb isn't shown as an option
[21:49] <ardchoille> bobleny: directory
[21:49] <bobleny> ardchoille, can I remove it as a permission?
[21:50] <ardchoille> bobleny: You can't remove the "d", no
[21:51] <ardchoille> bobleny: But, if you remove the "x" from a dir, the you won't be able to ls it
[21:51] <Mr_Sonoma> anyone know of a package name for a lightscribe labeler program, like lacie? i could have sworn that lacie lightscribe labeler was in fiesty's repo but cant seem to find it with apt-cache or synaptic in gutsy. am i missing a repository entry or am i just forced to use alien to convert the rpms?
[21:51] <bobleny> ardchoille, No need to do that is there?
[21:51] <ardchoille> This is why "chmod -R u-x" is a bad thing
[21:51] <[ka]killer> well
[21:52] <[ka]killer> i told you reconfiguring xserv was going to f it up
[21:52] <[ka]killer> i tried reverting to a backed up xorg and it still does not work
[21:52] <bobleny> ardchoille, what is -R? in that command?
[21:52] <[ka]killer> kinit: NO resume image, doing normal boot...
[21:52] <helfrez> recursive
[21:52] <ardchoille> bobleny: recursive
[21:53] <[ka]killer> wtf is up with my xserv
[21:53] <wols_> what videocard, what driver?
[21:53] <ardchoille> bobleny: Some folks try that to remove execute  from scripts in a dir and then find they can no longer enter the dir, and that's why
[21:53] <[ka]killer> nvidia driver, nvidia geforce4 GO 32m
[21:54] <wols_> check your Xorg logs
[21:54] <bobleny> ardchoille, so, chmod -R u-x is different from chmod u-x?
[21:54] <[ka]killer> wols_, its been working fine, just after i went over a friends to work on a project, i came home turned it on and it was stuck in 640x480
[21:54] <ardchoille> bobleny: yes, because chmod -R performs the action on all directories too
[21:54] <[ka]killer> where are the logs... its been a while
[21:54] <martijn81> what is the best dvd-rip software of the moment for qt?
[21:54] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: /var/log
[21:55] <bobleny> ardchoille, like sub directorys?
[21:55] <ardchoille> bobleny: yes
[21:55] <[ka]killer> and which one do i want to look at
[21:55] <bobleny> ardchoille, but only current directorys?
[21:55] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[21:55] <[ka]killer> whats the comand to read it ... ive only viewed logs when x was working before
[21:56]  * [ka]killer is not used to the text interface
[21:56] <ardchoille> bobleny: no, chmod -R performs the action on the directory you are in as well as all subs
[21:56] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[21:56] <ekrengel> does anyone have 8.42.3 installed on fiesty?
[21:56] <ardchoille> ekrengel: And that is the version of what?
[21:57] <[ka]killer> what am i looking for in here
[21:57] <wols_> ardchoille: fglrx. he thinks you're psychic
[21:57] <ekrengel> ardchoille: the newest ati driver
[21:57] <ardchoille> wols_: lol
[21:57] <ekrengel> wols_: : )
[21:57] <wols_> [ka]killer: all of it. you paste it so people who do understand what they see can look at it
[21:57] <[ka]killer> um... how the hell am i suposed to do that
[21:58] <martijn81> what is the best dvd-rip software of the moment for Qt? (aka is there even one??)
[21:58] <[ka]killer> its not on this computer >_<
[21:58] <ardchoille> martijn81: k9copy has worked great for me
[21:58] <wols_> [ka]killer: does the computer in question have internet access?
[21:58] <[ka]killer> it should
[21:58] <bobleny> ardchoille, OK, thank you very much, I cannot delete foo from the /home/ directorry.   I only want to do this for a truecrypt volume anyways. In theroy, since I am not writting to the directory, even though I have no privleges I can still use it....
[21:58] <wols_> [ka]killer: then why are you asking?
[21:58] <martijn81> ardchoille: does it do ogm?
[21:59] <[ka]killer> um.... i tinnk i foudn the error
[21:59] <ardchoille> martijn81: Never tried, don't know what .ogm is
[21:59] <[ka]killer> "fatal server error: no screens found"
[21:59] <martijn81> ardchoille: ogg media
[21:59] <wols_> [ka]killer: wrong
[21:59] <squirrel> i was trying to install KVM. I used synaptic package manager. Installation completed but I could not find where it installed and how should I run it. Second, I seem to have lost sound configuration now. How should I get the sound back?
[21:59] <[ka]killer> im going to try reconfiguring xserver one more time
[22:00] <wols_> squirrel: dpkg -L <package> and you will know
[22:00] <wols_> as for the sound: more data needed
[22:00] <squirrel> what data would you need?
[22:01] <wols_> more information
[22:01] <Norty> Help, please. My add printer wizard doesn't show USB as an option.
[22:01] <wols_> google "smart questions"
[22:01] <squirrel> sound card is there but seems like library got mixed up or something by kvm
[22:02] <Norty> squirrel: check mixer settings. That's what I check first.
[22:02] <jean-philippe> Hello
[22:02] <[ka]killer> got it
[22:02] <[ka]killer> i/ll be back
[22:02] <Norty> squirell: look for something that's muted or slider at the bottom.
[22:02] <squirrel> I get this error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[22:03] <Norty> squirrel: uh... got me... try putting GStreamer into your package manager?
[22:03] <squirrel> I don't know what kvm installed with it
[22:04] <[ka]killer> ok
[22:04] <squirrel> but I had allowed it to install dependencies
[22:04] <[ka]killer> now i have somethign else thats been bothering me but not really a problem
[22:04] <squirrel> how do put GStreamer?
[22:04] <wols_> squirrel:  /var/log/dpkg.log*
[22:04] <[ka]killer> with the system tray it varies from being 2 lines to being 1 line
[22:05] <[ka]killer> how can i set it so there are always 2 lines of icons?
[22:06] <[ka]killer> ok... if no one knows about that, what about xine?
[22:07] <Norty> squirrel: K- menu -> system -> adept. you follow?
[22:08] <Norty> wait, nevermind.
[22:08] <squirrel> ok let me try. looking at dpkg.log. I don't seem to notice any log closely related to sound
[22:08] <squirrel> or I don't know by the name of applications
[22:09] <Norty> squirrel: look for "ALSA"
[22:09] <ubuntu> buenas
[22:09] <squirrel> I opened adept but it says I con't modify anything without running as root
[22:09] <[ka]killer> i guess no one else is having problems with xine?
[22:10] <squirrel> i see alsa-base installed
[22:10] <squirrel> and alsa-utils also is installed
[22:10] <Norty> squirrel: that's good. I hope.
[22:10] <squirrel> but there are many other alsa packages not installed
[22:11] <squirrel> in console, whey I hit backspace too much. it beeps but can't seem get sound work in desktop
[22:11] <Norty> squirrel: mine works fine with few installed.   I wnat to find its PID.  I tried fuser -v /dev/dsp but it doesn't list anything
[22:12] <squirrel> gstreamer0.10-alsa is installed
[22:12] <[ka]killer> roey: mute it/
[22:12] <[ka]killer> ?
[22:12] <Roey> mute what
[22:12] <[ka]killer> trhe volume
[22:12] <Roey> I want to play something else
[22:12] <[ka]killer> o
[22:12] <[ka]killer> is amarok running?
[22:13] <Roey> yes
[22:13] <Norty> squirrel: how about libasound2 and linux-sound-base (i'm just working down my own list)
[22:13] <[ka]killer> have you checked that?
[22:13] <pacman> I downloaded sysinfo, and was wondering what the "L2 cache" means
[22:13] <Roey> [ka]killer:  yes, I just closed it and it keeps going
[22:13] <Roey> er
[22:13] <[ka]killer> er
[22:13] <[ka]killer> try closing it not minimizing it to tray?
[22:13] <Roey> "I closed Amarok just now, yet the music keeps playing"
[22:13] <squirrel> libasound2 is installed
[22:13] <Roey> right, I did that.
[22:13] <[ka]killer> ok
[22:13] <[ka]killer> what do you have running?
[22:14] <squirrel> linux-sound-base also is installed
[22:14] <dusan> all: I have problem, how to "manually fix the package"?
[22:14] <Aresilek> is there a way to disable the scroll thing on the trackpad?
[22:14] <Roey> [ka]killer:  konqueror windows.
[22:14] <[ka]killer> hum
[22:14] <Roey> Gah, I keep hearing Kanye West's "Stronger" looping around and around, I'm going nuts
[22:15] <[ka]killer> im not sure
[22:15] <Roey> ok
[22:15] <[ka]killer> what sites do youhave open?
[22:15] <Roey> nothing that play music
[22:15] <Roey> *no sites which play music
[22:15] <Roey> er
[22:15] <[ka]killer> you sure?
[22:15] <Roey> Facebook
[22:15] <Roey> would that play stupid music, ya think?
[22:15] <[ka]killer> yes
[22:15] <dusan> all: I have problem, how to "manually fix the package"?
[22:16] <Norty> problem: my cups server seems broken after an update. Ideas?
[22:16] <Norty> dusan: what package?
[22:16] <Roey> [ka]killer:  ok, it was Facebook
[22:16] <Roey> woof :(
[22:16] <[ka]killer> Norty, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade?
[22:16] <[ka]killer> xD
[22:16] <[ka]killer> always check that first
[22:16] <Roey> [ka]killer:  thanks :)
[22:17] <[ka]killer> =P normall when i do that i forgot to hit stop before minimizing the amarok window
[22:17] <Norty> [ka]killer: sudo aptitude -- did it "manually" on a 6.06
[22:17] <[ka]killer> i never do it manually, i break things to often =/
[22:17] <Norty> [ka]killer:  it updated cups, and now cups is broke.
[22:17] <[ka]killer> humm
[22:18] <MinceR> hay
[22:18] <[ka]killer> why not upgrade from 6.06?
[22:18] <wols_> cause it'S LTS
[22:18] <MinceR> i'm upgrading from feisty to gutsy and it keeps failing
[22:18] <Norty> [ka]killer: prefer LTS, yeah.
[22:18] <MinceR> "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped"
[22:18] <[ka]killer> o
[22:18] <[ka]killer> minceR mine did that
[22:18] <MinceR> the Report bug button pretends it's trying to start konqueror but nothing happens
[22:18] <[ka]killer> i just ended up burning a disk
[22:18] <Norty> MinceR: if you can, clean install.
[22:18] <MinceR> it told me x11-common isn't going to be installed
[22:19] <MinceR> why, is it really that hard to get dist-upgrade actually work?
[22:19] <wols_> MinceR: post inst script for what?
[22:19] <MinceR> dunno
[22:19] <MinceR> can't copy from those dialogs
[22:19] <wols_> and what else gives it out, cause this is not the causing error
[22:19] <MinceR> only the message i've pasted already
[22:19] <MinceR> show terminal shows an empty panel
[22:20] <dusan> aptitude: I wasn't able to locate file for kdevelop package.This might mean you might need to manually fix the package.(due to missing arch)
[22:20] <Norty> MinceR: can you get it to install x11-common?
[22:20] <dusan> that is what I get from aptitude
[22:20] <MinceR> i'll try after the upgrade finishes or dies
[22:21] <[ka]killer> why do i get "loading player part 'xinepart' failed all video drivers failed to initialize!"
[22:21] <Norty> dusan: do you know how to download the package manually? I could help with that.
[22:21] <MinceR> maybe Show terminal froze something in there because it stopped doing things
[22:22] <dusan> Norty: I will try?
[22:22] <dusan> dpkg?
[22:22] <dusan> apt-get?
[22:22] <Norty> dusan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[22:22] <dusan> Norty: Already there.
[22:23] <Norty> dusan: find your package, and download it. Then command line to the file, and dpkg -i <file>
[22:24] <dusan> ok
[22:25] <[ka]killer> does anyone have experience with xine
[22:26] <ezra_> hey
[22:26] <ezra_> I can't run any aptitude programs
[22:26] <ezra_> it says there's something running using it
[22:26] <[ka]killer> then there is
[22:26] <ezra_> but I checked the precess table and there's nothing with the name apt
[22:26] <Norty> ezra_: try to find that program and tell it to quit nicely
[22:26] <ezra_> or aptitude
[22:26] <ezra_> or anything
[22:26] <ezra_> related
[22:27] <[ka]killer> try running apt-get it should tell you what is using it
[22:27] <ezra_> k, thanks
[22:27] <[ka]killer> normally it yells at me to dpkg something when that happens
[22:27] <[ka]killer> and back to my problem anyone have experience with xine
[22:28] <Norty> ezra_: I usually give up and do a soft-reboot then. I never took the time to track it down.
[22:28] <ezra_> I reebooted
[22:29] <Norty> but that's just me.
[22:29] <ezra_> and it still was there
[22:29] <ubuzztu> how do i go about mounting an ftp url?
[22:29] <ezra_> I restarted
[22:29] <MinceR> can i restart distribution upgrade if it freezes or will i have to restore my backup?
[22:29] <ardchoille> ubuzztu: You can just open konqueror and do:  ftp://url
[22:29] <ezra_> it says that dpkg was interrupted and that I must manually run something to correct the problem
[22:29] <ezra_> which I am now doing
[22:30] <TimS> Is it possible to list all commands that start with the letters vnc
[22:30] <ubuzztu> i want to mount the directory so i can view the directory in kdevelop
[22:31] <Dr_willis> vnc<tab><tab>  :)
[22:31] <TimS> Ah, thanks!!
[22:31] <Dr_willis> Thats bash command completion at work
[22:32] <TimS> =]
[22:32] <zorglu_> suggestion: for the next version, support cut/paste
[22:32] <Dr_willis> suggestion: be more clear on the suggestions...
[22:32] <Dr_willis> ;)
[22:33]  * Dr_willis cuts and pastes all the time
[22:34] <MinceR> even after closing the window i can't kill the remaining processes even with kill -9
[22:34] <Norty> zorglu_: for comand line, did you use <shift>+<insert> for <ctrl>+V  ?
[22:34] <TimS> Klipper is very irritating, it drops whatever you copy, but you can manualy select it
[22:34]  * Dr_willis cuts/pastes a URL of the Channel  Old timers dancing --> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1778911
[22:35] <[ka]killer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44950/
[22:37] <TimS> Dr_willis: How do I stop the dolphin error about bookmarks? Apart from by using Konqueror :P
[22:38] <Dr_willis> I dont use dolphin. I stuff dolphin into little cans marked 'tuna'
[22:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:38] <jpatrick> Dr_willis: that's not very nice...
[22:38] <Dr_willis> Ive yet to see any thing that dolphin does for me that i cant do with Konqueror better/faster/stronger/quicker. :)
[22:38] <nareshov> Is there a KDE/Qt IRC client that supports HTTP proxy (including proxy support for xdcc)?
[22:38] <TimS> True
[22:38] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: X got 2 cut/paste stuff. and so kde/gnome apps poorly interact due to that
[22:38] <Dr_willis> of course KDE4 may make it better.
[22:39] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  thers settings to sync the cut selection buffer with the cut/paste buffer.
[22:39] <TimS> Dr_willis: How do I search apt from the cli?
[22:39] <MinceR> adept says the database is locked. i've deleted /var/cache/apt/archives/lock as a webpage said and adept still says it's locked
[22:39] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: any keyword or url to help me fix this ?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search whatever
[22:39] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  i think klipper has that feature
[22:39] <MinceR> how can i make adept work again?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> I sort of perfer the 2 buffers. :)
[22:40] <Dr_willis> Of couse im used to the 'old fashined selection buffer/middle click' method
[22:40] <zorglu_> i would prefere to be able to cut/paste :)
[22:40] <Dr_willis> ctrl-c and ctrl-v works for me in most cases.. cant say that ive ever had an issue with cut/pasteing
[22:40] <zorglu_> currently to cut/past from firefox to console, i need to do firefox->eclipse->konsole
[22:40] <TimS> And anyone else here having problems with the latest nVidia and 7300?
[22:41] <Dr_willis> firefox does have a plugin to 'auto copy to clipboard' any selections made on a web page
[22:41] <Dr_willis> Thats handy at times
[22:41] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: ok this was my suggestion :) to get cut/paste to work by default :)
[22:42] <Dr_willis> I just select text in firefox, right click -> copy, then click in konqueror -> right click paste.
[22:42] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: if plugin are required to support cut/paste to have them by default
[22:42] <Dr_willis> its working here by default for me.
[22:42] <Dr_willis> Not sure what you are doing thats so weird.
[22:42] <zorglu_> i guess im unlucky then
[22:42] <Dr_willis> technically firefox is not included in Kubuntu by default. :)
[22:44] <Dr_willis> I can select text in firefox, and middle click to paste the selection in Konsole also.
[22:44] <MinceR> i guess i'll see if "sudo dpkg --configure -a" fixes things.
[22:45] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: it is ok i will keep going thru eclipse
[22:48] <Norty> Ok, so how do I undo an update?
[22:48] <nick__> Hey everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me refine a command for the command line.  I want to copy files to a usb drive "cp *.mp3 /media/MCUSB" but all the files I want to copy are scattered in a variety of sub folders, but those sub folders are all contained within one partent folder.  Is it possible?
[22:48] <MinceR> bye
[22:48] <Lazarus> Hello there, whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[22:48] <knightz> question if i stop the upgrade do i have to start it from the beginning all over again....?
[22:48] <knightz> I'm upgrading to 7.10?
[22:48] <Dr_willis> aptitude has a 'console gui' and it supposed to be a bit smarter in ways.. but i rarely use it.
[22:49] <Norty> knightz: you would more likely get a broken system.
[22:49] <Lazarus> knightz: if you stop the upgrade, you could mess up your system
[22:49] <blekos> hi, if a create a new user without administrative permission, on the same pc will he be able to access my home directory?
[22:49] <Lazarus> knightz: it happened to me
[22:49] <Lazarus> so be weary
[22:49] <blekos> eg user1, user2
[22:49] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what do you use?
[22:49] <blekos> will be user2 able to se user's1 files?
[22:49] <knightz> so I have to wait for the dam thing to finish upgrading?
[22:49] <Dr_willis> I just apt-get install stuff.
[22:49] <Norty> blekos: I don't think so.
[22:50] <Lazarus> knightz: yeah, that would be the smart choice
[22:50] <knightz> hm.........
[22:50] <knightz> 11 hour 38min left
[22:50] <Norty> blekos: not unless you specifially allow it, I think.
[22:50] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: the only reason i ask is because i used apt-get to install ubuntustudio-audio, just to check it out
[22:50] <Lazarus> then when i tried to get rid of it, it left all the packages
[22:51] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  yep. apttitude will supposebly be a little smarter at removing things.
[22:51] <Dr_willis> But i rarely remove things.. :P
[22:51] <Lazarus> !mythtv
[22:51] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[22:51] <Dr_willis> ive also had aptitude decide to remove 300+ packages.. then it decided to reinstall them
[22:51] <knightz> so i can't shut down my system till it's over?
[22:51] <Lazarus> knightz: whats your hurry?
[22:52] <Lazarus> knightz: it would be unwise
[22:52] <Norty> all: can I get aptitude to undo some upgrades?
[22:54] <knightz> yes I'm using the wireless in the mall
[22:54] <knightz> and when the mall close i have to leave!
[22:54] <Dr_willis> Hide out in the Store! :)
[22:54] <knightz> funny
[22:55] <Dr_willis> No starbucks close eh? :)
[22:55] <Norty> knightz: ok, if it's just downloading, you're ok to power down. Install: bad idea.
[22:55] <knightz> 9 out of 1068 packages
[22:55] <knightz> it's just downloading
[22:55] <Dr_willis> actually if its done downloading.. the install can run without network connection
[22:58] <knightz> how long the install takes?
[22:58] <Dr_willis> for 1000+ packages...  id say.. hr or so.
[22:58] <knightz> i have a 2.1gig with 512m ram
[22:58] <Dr_willis> its almost faster to do a Clean Reinstall  then   upgrade. :)
[22:59] <knightz> hm..........
[22:59] <Dr_willis> big speed limit will be the HD speeds.
[22:59] <knightz> th last version was 7.08? then right?
[22:59] <NickPresta> 7.04
[22:59] <knightz> ok.......... i thought the new version was 8.10?
[23:00] <NickPresta> 8.10 implies 2008, month 10
[23:00] <Dr_willis> the LAST version was  7.04 - the latest is 8.10 :)
[23:00] <knightz> hm.......... long wait
[23:00] <Norty> correction: 7.10 -- it isn't 2008 yet.
[23:00] <ardchoille> the LAST version was  7.04 - the latest is 7.10
[23:00] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: 8.10 is out already?
[23:01] <NickPresta> :)
[23:01] <Dr_willis> typo :)
[23:01] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what exactly do they have planned for it
[23:01] <ardchoille> Lazarus: he's using libtimetravel
[23:01] <ardchoille> ;P
[23:01] <knightz> ok if i shut down then it would just start back where i stopped right?
[23:01] <pacman_> hey Dr_willis
[23:01] <Dr_willis> !ubuntu+1
[23:01] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[23:02] <pacman_> when I rebuilt this box, I installed 2GB of RAM...in my BIOS, it only shows 512MB
[23:02] <Lazarus> what is mythtv good for
[23:02] <Lazarus> i keep hearing about it
[23:02] <knightz> if i knew this i ould of done it at home
[23:02] <knightz> if i knew this i would of done it at home
[23:02] <NickPresta> !mythtv > Lazarus
[23:02] <pjeide> Is there any difference between the Kubuntu dist and the regular Ubuntu dist aside from +KDE -gnome?
[23:03] <knightz> yes is there?
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  i have a mythtv box in the basement recording tv shows :)
[23:03] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: yeah, thats interesting
[23:03] <ardchoille> pjeide: It's the same base distro, just a different desktop environment
[23:03] <Lazarus> wikipedia compared it to free tivo
[23:03] <pjeide> ardchoille: thank you
[23:03] <knightz> i love how kubuntu handles memory cards
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Yep. basicially is TIVO for those that hate Comercials. :)
[23:04] <Dr_willis> it can auto-remove comercials.
[23:04] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how do you have it set up
[23:04] <pjeide> !mythtv > pjeide
[23:04] <Lazarus> im trying to think of how this can related to my actual television
[23:05] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  just the normal defaults for the most part. I just knew where to click to 'enable auto comercial skip' :)
[23:05] <Dr_willis> amd64 2 ghz box, nvidia 6800 card. and Loads of HD space.
[23:05] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: no, i mean how would you set it up for your living room
[23:05] <Lazarus> rather than computer
[23:05] <Dr_willis> I installed the 'mythbuntu'  disrto.
[23:05] <Dr_willis> set it up?  the pc just sits below the tv. :)
[23:06] <Dr_willis> it auto boots to MythTV
[23:06] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: very interesting
[23:06] <Lazarus> i don't know thatd id waste good hardware for something akin to tivo though
[23:07] <Dr_willis> actually in the basemnt i got it hooked to a Monior and the TV. i get a normal Desktop on the PC moniotr. I got a MythTV client for the living room
[23:07] <Lazarus> i have an old crappy box laying around
[23:07] <Dr_willis> I have several. :)
[23:07] <pjeide> I've mulled over the idea of turning this box into a media center/file server when finished with it.. something like MythTV might be a good push in the right direction..
[23:07] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how do you stop/start and such from a remote control
[23:08] <Dr_willis> it has support for my remote. :) i just hit play/move the arrows around and so forth.
[23:08] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: ah, i see
[23:08] <Lazarus> what model
[23:08] <spencer> are the repostitories down?  I can't update gutsy.
[23:08] <Lazarus> jeez, i love this stuff
[23:08] <Lazarus> a full work around of shitty commercial products
[23:08] <Dr_willis> i do perfer a full wireless keyboard. - that way i can  Play Frozenbubble on the tv. :)
[23:09] <Lazarus> id never buy tivo in a million years
[23:09] <Lazarus> im cheap
[23:09] <Dr_willis> I got a tivo gave to me. Its in the closet.
[23:09] <Lazarus> heh, a huge wireless keyboard would be a little bulky
[23:10] <Lazarus> i try to keep tv/media separate from my computer
[23:10] <Lazarus> otherwise id have no reason to leave my room
[23:10] <Dr_willis> They got little ones also. :)
[23:10] <Dr_willis> Or ya could always just use a wireless gamepad.
[23:10] <Lazarus> very very intriguing
[23:10] <Dr_willis> or ya just run some ps2 cables under the floor to the couch.
[23:10] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: you have enlightened me somewhat more to the capabilities of the hardware i have laying around
[23:11] <Dr_willis> Im waiting for those USB-Wireless hubs to get common. then i canhave all theusb things done wirelessly. :)
[23:11] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how would you get a gamepad to work
[23:11] <Dr_willis> plug it in.. it works. :)
[23:11] <pjeide> I am rather pleased that I happened across the conversation at this juncture as well.
[23:11] <Dr_willis> you may need to define all the buttons in a config.
[23:11] <spencer> any one having trouble updating?
[23:11] <Lazarus> i dont have a ps2 actually
[23:12] <Dr_willis> #ubuntu-mythtv is a good place to check for info also.
[23:12] <shane_> Keyboard shortcut for increasing/decreasing master volume not showing on OSD...Is there a fix for this?
[23:12] <Lazarus> but id buy a custom remote, or even a wireless keyboard i guess
[23:12] <Dr_willis> I found the remote a bit laggy.. and i had a wireless keybord handy. :)
[23:13] <Dr_willis> id like to find a mini keyboard with a little trackball.
[23:13] <Dr_willis> wireless.
[23:13] <pjeide> I'd like one of those for an in-car rig.
[23:13] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: id need a mouse as well
[23:13] <Lazarus> jeez, the possibilities are endless
[23:14] <Lazarus> i dont really watch much tv, but id do stuff anyway just for the hell of it
[23:14] <Dr_willis> then you can also have MythTV client box's around the house so others can watch what the main backend has recorded
[23:14] <Dr_willis> I tend to record shows. burn them to dvd. or convert->copy to laptop to watch
[23:14] <pjeide> that sounds like a pretty nice feature
[23:14] <Dr_willis> its gotten where i cant stand to watch normal tv. I want pause-at-any-time, and no comercials. :P
[23:15] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: indeed
[23:15] <Dr_willis> plus the mythtv box can play about any video format you can toss at it.
[23:15] <shane_> I'd rather watch my netflix movies :) tv just doesn'
[23:15] <Lazarus> i was at my aunts house last night and was amazed at the possibilities
[23:15] <shane_> t entertain me much
[23:15] <Lazarus> she has tivo
[23:15] <Lazarus> shane_: me either
[23:15] <Dr_willis> im the opposite - i hate movies
[23:16] <Lazarus> i like movies over shows
[23:16] <Lazarus> most shows nowadays are somewhat crappy
[23:16] <Lazarus> but history channel specials and whatnot i always want to record
[23:16] <shane_> I enjoy south park, but that's about it on tv
[23:16] <Lazarus> south park and such
[23:16] <shane_> ha yeah
[23:16] <andreas_> why cant i play the whole .flv movie? In Firefor and Konqueror.
[23:17] <blekos> hi, although i've chosen for the mounted drives to appear on the desktop that's not the case anybody having the same "problem" [i'm running 7.10 dual boot]
[23:18] <knightz> off the wall question where can i get software to unlock the sony ericsson w880i phones?
[23:18] <_novocaine_> Hi. Does anyone know if there's a way to extend windows all the way to the right of the screen so the scrollbar touches the edge?
[23:18] <shane_> blekos, are the drives accessible at all?
[23:18] <shane_> or just not on the desktop
[23:18] <NeoFax> I am having a problem with the following:  "weird, boot cpu (#15) not listed by BIOS"
[23:18] <_novocaine_> I hate missing it and resizing the window by accident
[23:18] <robotphood> does anyone here know how to add konqueror service menus to dolphin?
[23:19] <weswh-> does anyone know of a good program that will let a linux system and a windows system send/receive files. would use google chat, but it won't work with my friend on windows
[23:19] <andreas_> why cant i play the whole .flv movie? In Firefor and Konqueror.
[23:19] <weswh-> so i am just looking for a small application that could do that for both platforms
[23:19] <shane_> weswh, how bout pidgin?
[23:19] <blekos> yes 100% accessible and r-w/able
[23:19] <vit____> hello
[23:19] <bbm4n> guys how can i revert changes in kubuntu?
[23:20] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what do you plug the coaxial into
[23:20] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: im trying to make a diagram of what i would need to do
[23:21] <weswh-> shane...yeah, I am using pidgin. see if I can talk him into it.
[23:21] <weswh-> i didn't consider that pidgin to pidgin would work
[23:21] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how do you have av i/o set up
[23:22] <yendor> I cannot see the drives in the media directory in dolphin
[23:22] <sourcemaker> is this the right channel for nvidia problems in gusty?
[23:22] <NeoFax> I am having a problem with the following:  "weird, boot cpu (#15) not listed by BIOS"
[23:22] <shane_> weswh, pidgin transfers files..if you have problems, be sure your ip address is correct in your preferences and that you're opening the right port in your firewall
[23:23] <weswh-> yeah, just when he's done it through google talk, it says my client doesn't support it.
[23:23] <yendor> lag?
[23:23] <shane_> weswh, interesting..I thought for sure I've sent files to people using google talk before
[23:23] <nareshov> doesn't kopete work?
[23:23] <sourcemaker> my nvidia geforce3 is not working anymore in gusty... in feisty everythink was working wel... any solutions?
[23:24] <shane_> nareshov, kopete does transfer as well
[23:24] <shane_> sourcemaker, what's the problem?
[23:24] <nareshov> too bad kopete doesn't have http proxy support :\
[23:25] <nareshov> and neither does konversation
[23:25] <yendor> a minute ago I could see the partitions in storage media but now I cannot, it happens at time and Im forced to reboot to solve it...can you help me please?
[23:25] <shane_> nareshov, I think kopete falls short on many features, but that's just my opinion...pidgin probably isn't any better. We sure could use a google talk type program for linux
[23:26] <NeoFax> shane_: Ever try psi?
[23:26] <nareshov> yep. I'm currently using psi on KDE
[23:26] <shane_> NeoFax, yes I have..I do like some of the features, but I wasn't too impressed with the UI. I'm probably being too picky
[23:27] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  the tv tuner card has  the inputs for the tv.
[23:28] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  then video card out goes to the TV itself.
[23:28] <yendor> media:/ protocol is failing in my kubuntu..can you help me pls?
[23:28] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: ah, i see
[23:29] <sourcemaker> when starting the xserver... the xserver crashs with the error message api missmatch kernel module 9631 nvidia version 9639
[23:30] <sourcemaker> using geforce3
[23:30] <shane_> sourcemaker: How did you install this driver?
[23:30] <sourcemaker> first... i tried the new registry driver module from systems settings (kde) gusty... is was not workingthen i used apt
[23:31] <yendor> arent you capabl of helping me?! :(
[23:31] <sourcemaker> restricted driver i mean
[23:31] <shane_> sourcemaker: Well, you have the wrong restricted modules installed. Find the ones that match your Nvidia version
[23:31] <Dr_willis> apt and the 'restricted-manager' tool install the same packages.
[23:32] <Dr_willis> unless you mean you used 'dkpg -i SOMTHINGYouDownloadeed.deb'
[23:32] <Dr_willis> instead of apt-get install nvidia-glx
[23:32] <sourcemaker> I used apt-get install nvidia-glx
[23:33] <sourcemaker> I n feisty... everythink was working well
[23:33] <yendor> media:/ protocol is failing in my kubuntu..can you help me pls?
[23:33] <shane_> sourcemaker: Did you upgrade from feisty?
[23:33] <sourcemaker> never touch a running system.... yes... I have
[23:34] <shane_> sourcemaker: Have you heard of the program called Envy?
[23:34] <sourcemaker> No i am sorry... I have not head this programm yet
[23:34] <Dr_willis> dont even mess with envy, :) heh heh...
[23:34] <Dr_willis> well i guess ya can if you are brave/foolhardy
[23:34] <shane_> not a fan Dr_willis?
[23:34] <shane_> haha
[23:34] <sourcemaker> is it stable?
[23:35] <Dr_willis> i see a large # of people in here a week with "i used envy, and now its not working"
[23:35] <shane_> Hmm..maybe you're right then...
[23:35] <Dr_willis> In fact IF you use envy. and then theres a kernel upgrade.. you must reinstall the nvidia drivers with envey again manually
[23:35] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I didn't think envy and automatix were even necessary anymore
[23:36] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  as far as im concerned they are not.. then again.. they never were necessary. :)
[23:36] <ardchoille> True
[23:36] <sourcemaker> I am not interessed in beeing your alpha-tester of Envy
[23:36] <sourcemaker> ;-)
[23:36] <shane_> I think they can help people who may have a hard time installing things on their own, but that could turn into a big debate, ha
[23:36] <Lazarus> yeah, envy is a short term fix
[23:36] <yendor> media:/ protocol is failing in my kubuntu..can you help me pls?
[23:36] <shane_> haha
[23:36] <Dr_willis> I would rate envy  better then AUtomatix. :)
[23:36] <Lazarus> its given me problems before
[23:36] <shane_> I haven't had any problems, but maybe I've been lucky
[23:36] <Lazarus> automatix is the devil
[23:36] <Dr_willis> shane_,  very lucky
[23:37] <NeoFax> I wouldn't so much as blame envy as I would blame the nvidia installer program
[23:37] <sourcemaker> I had no problems with drapper or feisty.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> i normally just use restricted-manager tool and never have problems. :)
[23:37] <NeoFax> All envy is a script nothing more.
[23:37] <shane_> I hear ya Dr_willis
[23:37] <shane_> I do the same
[23:38] <shane_> But how do you suggest sourcemaker gets out of this without knowing how to mess with his modules to fix his nvidia card?
[23:38] <shane_> I mean I could remote into his machine or something (not!)
[23:38] <sourcemaker> I have also used gentoo 4 years... and my nvidia driver was always working...
[23:38] <NeoFax> It is better to use the apt program to handle 99% of your system as it is great.  Using scripts that do the same as apt is just asking for trouble.
[23:38] <ardchoille> I just do "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and the nividia drivers are installed. Takes jus a few minutes and you don't have to open a gui for it :)
[23:38] <excitatory> where would i find the md5sum of the kubuntu desktop cd iso?
[23:39] <sourcemaker>  "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable => did not work for m
[23:39] <Dr_willis> If the kernel verison and nvidia versjions differ. they wont work.  You may need to figure out why they are differeing.
[23:39] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: After doing that, what exactly was the eroor you received in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[23:39] <Dr_willis> an apt-get update, and upgrade, THEN try reinstalling the nvidia drivers.. may be the best route.
[23:39] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: Then you have a weird system, that has worked for me on over 200 machines.
[23:40] <Dr_willis> has the nvidia stuff ever worked? when did it break? :)
[23:40] <ardchoille> lol
[23:40] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: Try ATI
[23:40] <Dr_willis> You dont want to know what i do to ATI.
[23:40] <Dr_willis> :P
[23:40] <ardchoille> hehe
[23:41] <Dr_willis> actually the one ATI box i have.. restricted-manager handles it also.
[23:41] <shane_> ha..maybe these open drivers that are going to come out for ATI (someday) will change things
[23:41] <yendor> I found a workaround thanks for not helping me
[23:41] <zibrah3ed> no problem
[23:41] <Dr_willis> you are welcomed.
[23:41] <shane_> yendor: sorry we didn't know what was wrong with your storage media
[23:41] <Dr_willis> shame on us for not knowing every obscoure bug I guess.
[23:41] <ardchoille> yendor: Not everyone in here knows everything there is to know about Linux.
[23:42] <NeoFax> Anyone know how to fic this:  "weird, boot cpu (#15) not listed by BIOS"
[23:42] <zibrah3ed> They don't?
[23:42] <shane_> ardchoille: I do..haha yeah right
[23:42] <ardchoille> lol
[23:42] <NeoFax> My pc worked fine until I rebooted a while ago
[23:42] <shane_> my knowledge = /dev/null
[23:42] <sourcemaker> (II) Setting vga for screen 0.(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NoLogo" "True"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NvAGP" "1"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "true"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "1"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabl
[23:42] <sourcemaker> A internal AGP requested(II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is(II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure(EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and(EE) NVIDIA(0):     that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.(EE) NVIDIA(0):     Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.(EE) NVIDIA(0):  **
[23:42] <sourcemaker> dModule: "fb"(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[23:42] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Please use pastebin
[23:43] <Lazarus> whats the difference between ext3 and reiserFS filesystems
[23:43] <yendor> it apparent that it is quite a very common bug in Kubuntu 7.10 guys
[23:43] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  that looks like your monitor settings are incorrect. Not the nvidia card settings.
[23:43] <NeoFax> Lazarus: Support
[23:43] <yendor> at least t should draqw some attention
[23:43] <ardchoille> yendor: What was the rpboelm?
[23:43] <shane_> Lazarus: reiserfs was created by a murderer
[23:43] <zibrah3ed> gd typed it b4 me
[23:43] <Lazarus> shane_: ha, you have to explain that
[23:44] <yendor> for an unknown reason media:/ was not showing any content
[23:44] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Try doing sudo modprobe nvidia
[23:44] <yendor> nothing although the mounts are ok
[23:44] <Dr_willis> !reiserfs
[23:44] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, which outperforms many others on I/O operations, but has drawbacks (such as increasing likelihood of data loss, and introducing latency unsuitable for gaming or real-time audio). Using !ext3, the default on Ubuntu, is *highly* recommended. A read-only Windows driver is available at http://p-nand-q.com/download/rfstool.html
[23:44] <sourcemaker> On the console... I get the message: API missmatch the kernel version is 1.0-9631 the x server module is 9630
[23:44] <NeoFax> shane_: Innocent until proven guilty
[23:44] <ardchoille> yendor: Ah, ok. Well, I use bash as a file manager, so I don't use "media:/".
[23:44] <shane_> Lazarus: The guy who created it was accused of murdering his girlfriend..yeah, I was joshing NeoFax haha
[23:45] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  So has this nvidia card ever worked?
[23:45] <Lazarus> hmm, ive been using reiserfs for a long time on many systems
[23:45] <Lazarus> never had too much trouble
[23:45] <Lazarus> i guess you all use ext3?
[23:45] <shane_> I do
[23:45] <Dr_willis> I lost a few 100gb on a reiserfs once.. so now  i use ext3
[23:45] <zibrah3ed> Only on opensuse machines
[23:45]  * nareshov has been using reiserfs for two years now
[23:45] <sourcemaker> yes... on festy bevore doing the upgrade
[23:45] <Dr_willis> really i have little to gain from reiserfs.
[23:45] <NeoFax> Lazarus: Will it work a year from now without support?  SuSE maintains only bugs now
[23:45] <shane_> opensuse uses ext3 by default now
[23:46] <zibrah3ed> yes they did at 10.3
[23:46]  * ardchoille has never used anyting other than ext3
[23:46] <NeoFax> The company Hans Reiser started is working on Reiser 3 and has no intention to support Reiser2
[23:46] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  Upgrades ahh.. Well it could be the kernel has not been upgraded yet. or the drivers havent.  I never use upgrades so not sure of the proper way to be sure everything upgraded
[23:46] <Lazarus> Ew, reiserfs came out of suse?
[23:46] <Lazarus> i despise suse
[23:46] <zibrah3ed> no
[23:46] <sourcemaker> i used the dist-upgrade command---
[23:46] <sourcemaker> everythink was fine
[23:46] <sourcemaker> except the nvidia card
[23:47] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  id try it again to be sure, then do a sudo apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade again...
[23:47] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: You upgraded to Gytsy with "dist-upgrade"?
[23:47] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: How was it setup in feisty?  with restricted modules or using the NVIDIA installer?
[23:47] <nareshov> Should he try the module-assistant method? sudo m-a a-i nvidia ?
[23:48] <NeoFax> Lazarus: No, Reiser was designed by Hans Reiser who lives near San Francisco and SuSE only championed it back when Linus Torvalds would not include it straight in the kernel.
[23:48] <sourcemaker> NeoFax : on feisty... i used the restricted modules: I was a fresh clean install... without upgrading from drapper...Yes... all update are installed....
[23:48] <ubuzztu> where can i find the latest java sdk/jvm? sources?
[23:48] <Lazarus> NeoFax: interesting
[23:48] <shane_> Why doesn't the OSD work with keyboard shortcuts controlling my master volume
[23:48] <sourcemaker> I switched from gentoo distro to kubuntu... so i was doing a fresh install...
[23:49] <zibrah3ed> how can you not setup a video card if you used gentoo?
[23:49] <sourcemaker> after I have read the release notes of gusty... I have done the upgrade... based on the upgrade guide
[23:49] <nareshov> yeah :P
[23:49] <Dr_willis> sounds to me like the kernel, or the drivers didient upgrade properly
[23:49] <sourcemaker> well... on gentoo... I compile the kernel and drivers myself...
[23:49] <zibrah3ed> you still can
[23:49] <sourcemaker> but i won't do that in kubuntu
[23:50] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Try booting into a differnet kernel and then apt-getting the restricted modules for that kernel and reinstalling nvidia-glx to see if it is a symlink problem
[23:50] <blekos> hi, in my work we have a win 2003 server with active directory etc. Is it possible a terminal running linux to
[23:50] <blekos> map an ntfs drive?
[23:50] <zibrah3ed> biekos: rdesktop can connect to windows terminal server
[23:50] <NeoFax> blekos: yes with samba
[23:51] <sourcemaker> NeoFax : "sourcemaker: Try booting into a differnet kernel and then apt-getting the restricted modules for that kernel and reinstalling nvidia-glx to see if it is a symlink problem" => i have already tryed this ;;-)
[23:51] <blekos> so i have to install samba on the linux terminal?
[23:52] <Dr_willis> actually just to get TO the  windows machine. i dont think you need to install samba.. but  i may be wrong.
[23:52] <Dr_willis>  the kde file manager has a samba:/ feature
[23:52] <NeoFax> Open nvidia-glx in like kpackage and see what symlinks it installs and see if your system matches those symlinks.  Also, try sudo updatedb then locate nvidia.ko
[23:52] <sourcemaker> maybe it is better to use gentoo... and doing all the stuff myself...  everythink was working well
[23:52] <Dr_willis>  smb://mshome/    :) in my case
[23:52] <blekos> and how to i do that?
[23:52] <ubuzztu> where can i find the latest java sdk/jvm? sources?
[23:52] <NeoFax> This will tell you where the nvidia kernel driver is located.
[23:53] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  problkems like  yours are the reasin i never upgrade.  I keep /home seperate and do clean installs. :(
[23:53] <blekos> i just plug in the kubuntu terminal? (i guess i'm looking for an option equivelant "map network drive"
[23:53] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Different strokes for different folks.  If Gentoo worked well, I would have stuck with it.  I used to use it until it became a burden maintaining my machine
[23:54] <Dr_willis> blekos,  system:/remote   shows icons to get to the smb, and other network servers
[23:54] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I used to use it until it became a burden maintaining my machine => That's the reason... why I will kubuntu a try
[23:54] <NeoFax> blekos: Go to samba.org and they have tutorials there for exactly what u are asking
[23:55] <Dr_willis> or couse if the old ubuntu worked.. :)  why upgrade at all.
[23:55] <Dr_willis> For the WIGGLY WINDOWS! :) thats why
[23:55] <Lazarus> jeez, why can you just watch tv through a lan cable
[23:55] <NeoFax> Lazarus: Try joost
[23:55] <Lazarus> !joost
[23:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joost - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:55] <Dr_willis> I watch tv throgh my lan cable. :)
[23:55] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what, thats crazy
[23:55] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis: Is the problem of all software developers... the always want to have the newest version available
[23:55] <Excelsior> Try XTV
[23:55] <[ka]killer> =O
[23:55] <Excelsior> *XDTV
[23:56] <Dr_willis> it is running a mythtv client on one end.. and mythtv server on the other.
[23:56] <NeoFax> I can using my Xbox360 and Vista's Media Center
[23:56] <Dr_willis> actually Im not sure i can watch livetv.. or just the recorded shows..
[23:56] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what do you use to watch it through lan?
[23:56] <NeoFax> I wish Myth would come out with a MCE capable backend
[23:56] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  MythTV
[23:56] <Dr_willis> I just fired it up. i can watch live tv on the mythtv server
[23:57] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: Ah, then whats this 'joost' that NeoFax just mentioned
[23:57] <NeoFax> Does anyone know how to fix my boot BIOS problem?
[23:57] <Excelsior> Query, good sirs! I recently dled and did a fresh install of Gutsy, and wouldn't you know it? My wifi doesn't work! (WPA) It lists eth0 for my device, but it also says there is "No active device" and it also lists a false IP address (169.XXX.XXX.XX) Any suggestions so I can get my wifi working? Much appreciated.
[23:58] <NeoFax> Joost is a IPTV system.   I will buy a new nvidia card... so everything will working fine... without have always problems with the old legacy cards
[23:59] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: What video card do you actually have?
[23:59] <ardchoille> !ohmy | sourcemaker
[23:59] <Excelsior> zibrah3ed:: Are you talking to me?
[23:59] <ubotu> sourcemaker: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:59] <Lazarus> sourcemaker: legacy cards are lame to get working
[23:59] <zibrah3ed> Excelsior: Yes
[23:59] <sourcemaker> a very old geforce3