[04:03] <MarkDude> any news dragon ?
[21:02] <akk> Is there a unity setting (in pangolin) to not intercept menus, just show them in their normal place on each app window?
[21:02] <akk> I'm finding that the menus often don't show up, and I have to click around a lot to get them to appear.
[21:28] <philipballew> As Im spending the next week in Napa, Ca, I think I have a new place to hand out Ubuntu CD's!
[21:32] <akk> Go tour the wineries and hand out CDs to drunk people. :)
[21:38] <MarkDude> +1 for winos
[21:40] <akk> I am totally failing to figure out where unity expects to find desktop icons for apps.
[21:41] <akk>  /usr/share/icons has a ton of different directories and they all have different structures.
[21:41] <akk> I had them in hicolor/$res/appname.png but then I changed themes and now the icons are gone.
[22:02] <philipballew> there sure are a lot of wine places around here
[22:02] <philipballew> better stay off the roads when they have wine tasting events
[22:02] <DonkeyHotei> maybe YokoZar might know something about wine
[22:02] <DonkeyHotei> :P
[22:10] <MarkDude> The best are supposed to be the winetasting using bikes
[22:10] <MarkDude> Drunken bicycling FTW
[22:11] <philipballew> I do have a bike right next to me
[22:11] <MarkDude> Well there ya go
[22:15] <MarkDude> grantbow, PING


[00:54] <darkxst> aeoril, libvte has a soname bump each release
[00:55] <darkxst> that would make it tricky to bisect or swap versions etc!
[00:58] <darkxst> aeoril, maybe https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708213
[03:52] <aeoril> darkxst thanks!  Looked over that bug - seems like the timing is approximately correct - 9/2013 for the bug work, 11/2013 for the release in trusty, as far as I can tell
[03:53] <aeoril> darkxst wait, I take that back - would the bug fix have made it into trusty within that small of a window?
[03:53] <aeoril> (not really sure about the trusty release date)
[03:55] <infinity> hallyn: LP: #1419855
[03:55] <infinity> hallyn: Due to a typo in debian/rules, the qemu-kvm init job is never actually installed on ppc64el.
[03:56] <infinity> hallyn: I suspect we might also want to loosen it to install on powerpc and ppc64 as well (ie: anywhere where qemu-system-ppc is native)
[03:56] <aeoril> I am looking for the patched code in launchpad for trusty release - but not really sure exactly if I am looking at the correct libvte for trusty darkxst
[04:09] <hallyn> infinity: ok.  cgmanager needs my attention tonight, but wrote it down for tomorrow
[04:10] <hallyn> man, on v0.36 already
[04:10] <hallyn> was hoping it would be dead by now
[04:17] <infinity> hallyn: We still need to SRU back the qemu-kvm bits at some point too, and whatever else we slacked on.
[04:18] <infinity> hallyn: Perhaps a discussion better had when we're in the same timezone.
[04:18] <hallyn> what tz are you in?
[04:21] <hallyn> the sru of othe rqemu-kvm bits is on my list.
[04:27] <infinity> hallyn: I'm in Hong Kong right now.
[04:28] <infinity> hallyn: FWIW, qemu-slof is now in main on trusty too, though I'm not sure how much difference that makes until we either decide to backport utopic's qemu wholesale (ick) or get IBM to identify and backport all the necessary patches for LE host support.
[04:45] <darkxst> aeoril, I didn't think that fix would have been in trusty, but maybe it was
[04:46] <aeoril> darkxst I have been looking - it seems the version for the fix was 34.8, while the version in trusty is 34.9 ...
[04:47] <aeoril> darkxst I cannot use pull-lp-source to get the library source code though - is there another way?
[04:47] <hallyn> hong kong.  it's a globe-trotting month for you
[04:48] <darkxst> aeoril, pull-lp-source needs the source package name
[04:48] <darkxst> there is also apt-get source
[04:48] <darkxst> that works with binary names
[04:48] <aeoril> darkxst ok, I'll try that
[04:49] <darkxst> aeoril, vte3 is the source package name from memory
[04:50] <aeoril> darkxst I just did "sudo apt-get source libvte-2.90-9" and it seemed to work ...
[04:50] <aeoril> but yah, vte3 is what I have been seeing ...
[04:55] <aeoril> darkxst this worked, I will use it:  sudo pull-lp-source vte3 trusty
[05:17] <infinity> aeoril: Err, there's no reason to run that as root (ie: don't use sudo).
[05:18] <aeoril> infinity ok, thanks
[06:20] <darkxst> pitti, indeed disabling cgmanager and lxcfs stops by drives getting unmounted
[06:21] <aeoril> darkxst what do you think of this? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=543919
[06:22] <darkxst> aeoril, it looks like it predates gtk3?
[06:23] <aeoril> darkxst yes, but they never fixed it and it was just marked as invalid for gtk3 with a mention that if it was seen in gtk3 to reopen
[06:23] <aeoril> I am assuming just because they never saw it - that does not mean it still wasn't lurking around maybe ...
[06:25] <darkxst> aeoril, your out by 1-2 lines? that doesnt seem even remotely similar
[06:25] <aeoril> darkxst I must have misread it
[06:27] <darkxst> aeoril, I'd probably be digging into the code and use git to find all commits that affect size/resizing
[06:28] <darkxst> aeoril, maybe check that a resize event occurs when launch with --geometry
[06:28] <aeoril> darkxst ok
[06:29] <darkxst> aeoril, and maybe talk to Cpe if he knows what fixed it?
[06:29] <aeoril> darkxst is git diff?
[06:29] <aeoril> use git diff?
[06:30] <darkxst> git log -p <file>
[06:30] <darkxst> or git log -G/S <var/func name>
[06:30] <darkxst> are handy
[06:31] <darkxst> aeoril, that should have been chpe, youll have to head to the gnome channels on GIMPnet to find him though
[06:32] <aeoril> darkxst so git log -p vte.c?
[06:32] <aeoril> darkxst yes, his name is all over vte
[06:32] <darkxst> aeoril, that will show you a log of all commits affecting vte.c (probably way to much to process
[06:33] <aeoril> I'll grep around for --geometry and other stuff
[06:34] <darkxst> thats just a command line switch
[06:34] <darkxst> find the functions that actually handle geometry
[06:34] <darkxst> and then look for changes in those functions
[06:37] <darkxst> aeoril, you picked a pretty hard bug, and I certainly don't have time to investigate properly
[06:38] <aeoril> darkxst it picked me - I would need your help to fix it.  If you need to bow out, I probably should too.
[06:39] <darkxst> aeoril, I can keep sending you random guesses, thats all I've been doing anyway
[06:39] <aeoril> darkxst no, you have been much more valuable than that for me, actually
[06:40] <aeoril> darkxst given your last suggestions, I have a lot to go on for now actually if I were to stick with it
[06:40] <darkxst> but perhaps a simple packaging bug, something like bug 1406200 could break up things a little! you have spent like all week on this bug
[06:41] <aeoril> darkxst I have not devoted much time to this bug until today.  I have also learned a heck of a lot, which is invaluable.  But, i have taken up a lot of IRC time for you guys as well
[06:42] <aeoril> darkxst really, I started from scratch this morning and did it right.  Basically, other than the initial learning stuff I did I have spent 1 day on this bug properly
[06:43]  * darkxst never spends more than a couple of hours on a bug unless it involves writing lots of code
[06:44] <aeoril> darkxst also, it is much more fun looking at code and seeing what it does, which is where I am at now
[06:44] <aeoril> darkxst are you that fast?  Or you just lose interest and go onto another one?
[06:45] <pitti> Good morning
[06:45] <darkxst> aeoril, If i can't find the problem in that time, I'll just forward upstream
[06:45] <pitti> darkxst: thanks for confirming
[06:45] <aeoril> darkxst ok, I see
[06:46] <aeoril> darkxst I tend to bite into things and stick with them beyond normal death
[06:46] <aeoril> (as you can probably already tell)
[06:47] <darkxst> pitti, morning an np, getting sick of rebooting but still haven't fixed gdm/gtk bug either ;(
[06:47] <darkxst> aeoril, seems a little unproductive, always utilize upstream
[06:48] <aeoril> darkxst so, at this point, you would go ahead and file a but on vte on gnome bugzilla and have done with it?
[06:48] <aeoril> s/but/bug/
[06:50] <aeoril> darkxst the problem is fixed in vivid though - I thought the whole point of this exercise was finding where the fix was to hopefully backport into trusty and utopic?  Upstream wouldn't be appropriate for that, would it?
[06:51] <aeoril> darkxst talking to chpe would seem like the sanest thing to do at this point ...
[06:52] <aeoril> (if possible)
[06:54] <darkxst> aeoril, if you file a bug they will just probably close
[06:54] <darkxst> it
[06:54] <darkxst> but sure you can ask if they know about what fixed it
[06:56] <aeoril> darkxst Unfortunately, I don't see a forum other than bugzilla on wiki.gnome.org ...
[06:58] <darkxst> aeoril, #gnome-hackers on GIMPnet is probably your best bet
[06:59] <aeoril> darkxst ok.  I'll go on there tomorrow and see if I get any help.  Otherwise, I'll think about looking around at geometry code and using git
[07:01] <aeoril> darkxst to get the vte git repo, I would do "git clone git://git.gnome.org/vte" ???
[07:02] <darkxst> aeoril, pretty sure you can answer that question yourself!
[07:02] <aeoril> darkxst yes, you are right.  I am tired.
[07:02] <darkxst> aeoril, message me again when you are stuck!
[07:02] <aeoril> afk.  Good night.
[07:56] <geser> Are there any known issues with permanently switching to systemd? My 15.04 VM won't start (kernel panic) unless I specify init=/lib/systemd/systemd
[07:58] <darkxst> geser, maybe, pitti has been doing a good job of fixing them as I find them though
[08:01] <darkxst> geser, but that said I'm now reconsidering swithing ubuntu-gnome to systemd (assuming ubuntu don't switch), it mostly works great,
[08:14] <pitti> darkxst: argh WTH <censored> <censored>, I got it!
[08:15] <pitti> darkxst: i. e. I finally understand what's going on with the mounts
[08:15] <pitti> geser: you mean it panics with upstart and works with systemd? that's certainly not expected -- do you have some output/a bug?
[08:16] <seb128> pitti, what's going on then?
[08:16] <pitti> /etc/mtab, the nail in my coffin
[08:16] <pitti> so systemd boots, parses /etc/mtab (which it expects to be a link to /proc/mounts)
[08:16] <pitti> sees all the gazillion mounts from the previous boots and creates .mount units for them
[08:17] <pitti> then unmounts the fstab ones as their devices aren't even there yet (that's the "cleanup mounts after yanking out a device")
[08:18] <pitti> and then it turns /etc/mtab into a /proc/mounts symlink as intended, which suddenly makes all the mounts disappear
[08:18] <pitti> so, it should parse /proc/mounts instead of /etc/mtab
[08:19] <pitti> and for  cleanup we should also turn /etc/mtab into a symlink on upgrades; it's been many many years since it needed to be a file, and it keeps causing confusing
[08:19] <pitti> confusion
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, good work figuring it out!
[08:25] <pitti> so, we do turn /etc/mtab into a /proc/mounts symlink, but something during shutdown or initramfs turns it back to a file
[08:25] <darkxst> pitti, that sounds well convoluted
[08:25] <darkxst> (the problem, not the fix)
[08:26] <pitti> darkxst: yeah, perfect example of an emergent bug which you don't really see at each individual step..
[08:26] <pitti> so, what is so insistant on making /etc/mtab a file..
[08:27] <pitti> /etc/init/lxcfs.conf!
[08:27] <pitti> and /lib/systemd/system/lxcfs.service
[08:27] <pitti> ExecStopPost=/bin/sed -i "/^lxcfs \/var\/lib\/lxcfs fuse.lxcfs/d" /etc/mtab
[08:27] <pitti> nonono!
[08:28] <pitti> that also explains why these problems started about two weeks ago when we got lxcfs
[08:28] <pitti> so it all fits together now
[08:28] <geser> pitti: no, I switched that it starts with systemd by default (apt install systemd-sysv --purge (to purge the conflicting upstart package)) but it does so only when I specify init= in grub
[08:29] <darkxst> pitti, pretty sure it was in some way linked to glib/gtk on ubuntu-desktop ppa though
[08:29] <pitti> darkxst: I don't have that PPA
[08:29] <darkxst> I first hit it when I installed that,
[08:29] <pitti> darkxst: but, it's a race condition; anything which changes the timing during boot could trigger it
[08:29] <darkxst> it went away when I purged it
[08:30] <darkxst> pitti, fun old races
[08:30] <pitti> that's why disabling lxcfs helped
[08:33] <darkxst> pitti, makes sense
[08:41] <pitti> geser: sorry, I thought I replied already
[08:42] <pitti> geser: do you have some logs/a screenshot of the panic? can you please file a bug, that sounds quite serious
[08:48] <geser> pitti: I can try to take a screenshot from within VMware. The kernel panics with "Attempted to kill init" about 2 sec after booting.
[08:48] <pitti> geser: ah, can you please boot with "debug" on the command line, too?
[08:50] <infinity> pitti: Can you verify LP: #1404509 for trusty when you have a chance?
[08:51] <pitti> infinity: hm, HWE promised to verify that; I don't have an affected machine
[08:51] <pitti> infinity: I'll reply to them again with a prodding
[08:52] <infinity> pitti: Ta.
[08:52] <aeoril> darkxst I actually never did stop - I have been familiarizing myself with the vte code all night - pretty cool stuff
[08:53] <infinity> pitti: I didn't find a test case (nor divine one from the comments) for trusty, since you said trusty already worked for the 'cpu' subsystem, but 'might fail' for 'others'.  Makes it all a bit nonspecific to test. :P
[08:54] <darkxst> aeoril, ok, like I said message me again when you are stuck!
[08:55] <aeoril> darkxst ok, sorry - won't keep bothering you
[08:56] <pitti> infinity: yeah, that was a request from Dell for ipmi systems; I asked them again to test (our HWE engineers also have that hw)
[08:56] <infinity> pitti: Spiffy.
[08:56] <pitti> infinity: i. e. the real test case that we're interested in is "does that laptop work now"
[08:57] <infinity> pitti: "No, the battery went flat, sorry."
[09:07] <geser> pitti: filed as bug #1421117 with the debug output from the serial console
[09:18] <alkisg> mvo: good morning, the SRU was approved and it's now in precise-proposed, we did verification-done for one of the bugs, do you need help for the other 3 ones?
[09:56] <mlankhorst> pitti: gmsh 'regression' with mesa upload again :/
[09:57] <pitti> mlankhorst: argh; nudged
[10:00] <mlankhorst> ty
[10:00] <pitti> geser: replied to the bug
[10:17] <mvo> alkisg: I would certainly not mind help ! can also give it a go later today
[10:19] <geser> pitti: added the info you requested to the bug. It looks like /sbin/init being an absolute symlink is the issue.
[10:28] <pitti> /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
[10:28] <pitti> geser: that's what it is here
[10:31] <geser> here too (booted system), in the initramfs it's /root/sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd but there is no /lib/systemd/systemd there, only /root/lib/systemd/systemd
[10:31] <flexiondotorg_> Will the HWE stuff be installed/shipped by default in 14.04.2 or will it still be a post-install apt-get for users?
[10:42] <dholbach> didrocks, wow, looks like there's a lot going on in the ubuntu-make project :)
[10:45] <didrocks> dholbach: heh, yeah, and nice community contributions! :)
[10:45] <dholbach> :)
[10:46] <didrocks> dholbach: the next update would have 5-6 new supports, coming from the community :)
[10:46] <didrocks> (a new contributor)
[10:46] <didrocks> it's awesome!
[10:46] <dholbach> wow, that's amazing
[10:46] <didrocks> those people rocks! :)
[10:51] <pitti> geser: hm, that all looks fine and expected; so I'm a bit stumped what to ask next..
[10:57] <geser> pitti: so what's the difference to boot with "init=/lib/systemd/systemd" which works?
[10:59] <pitti> geser: that's the thing, I don't have the slightest idea :/
[10:59] <pitti> geser: the default is /sbin/init, but if that points to /lib/systemd/systemd it should be the same
[11:03] <pitti> geser: I guess init=/bin/systemd doesn't work either?
[11:03] <pitti> geser: if it does, that would be a major surprise
[11:18] <geser> pitti: correct, init=/bin/systemd doesn't work either (with a different error: target filesystem doesn't have requested /bin/systemd)
[11:18] <pitti> interesting (and a lie, too)
[11:24] <geser> pitti: but with /sbin/systemd -> ../lib/systemd/systemd (created for testing) and init=/sbin/systemd it works again
[11:25] <pitti> geser: fun; that sounds like an initramfs-tools bug then
[11:37] <ricotz> pitti, hi, is "/sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd" already default? since here is points to upstart
[11:38] <geser> ricotz: it's only default when you install systemd-sysv
[11:40] <ricotz> geser, ok, i guess i hold off that to keep ubuntu-minimal, ureadahead
[13:28] <rbasak> Is it sufficient to supply jquery in debian/missing-sources/, when minified JS is being shipped upstream?
[13:29] <rbasak> Or is it necessary to provide the mechanism to derive the minified JS also?
[13:29] <rbasak> (the minified JS isn't actually used; the packaging uses libjs-jquery instead)
[14:10] <pitti> rbasak: there's the option to repack the upstream source without the code copy; but if you want to use the original tarball, debian/missing-sources/ sounds ok to me
[14:16] <rbasak> pitti: OK - thanks
[14:28] <hallyn> pitti: hey - sorry to bother you, but would you mind taking a look at http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/c/cgmanager/cgmanager_0.36-1.dsc an dperhaps sponsorin ginto sid?
[14:35] <flexiondotorg_> Will the HWE stuff be installed/shipped by default in 14.04.2 or will it still be a post-install apt-get for users?
[14:39] <smoser> hey.
[14:40] <smoser> do i need an MIR to move python3-serial to main ?
[14:40] <smoser> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/0.7.7~bzr1055-0ubuntu1/+build/6969483
[14:40] <smoser> it blocks cloud-init, but is from same source package as python-serial which is in main.
[15:00] <pitti> hallyn: re (sorry, meeting); can do
[15:01] <pitti> hallyn: wrt your recent comment on bug 1419623, that's what I did
[15:01] <hallyn> pitti: thanks.  If you feel up to actual checking of the upstream patches too that'd be great :)  I'm feeling squeamish, but at the same time these fixes need to ge tout
[15:02] <hallyn> pitti: oh!  i thought you said you'd sent a patch to systemd
[15:02] <pitti> hallyn: well, both
[15:02] <pitti> hallyn: systemd should be more robust in that situation, but we still don't want to turn a symlink into a file
[15:02] <hallyn> cool, thanks
[15:02] <hallyn> yeah
[15:02] <mbruzek> Good morning #ubuntu-devel
[15:02] <pitti> hallyn: we discussed the systemd patch on teh upstream ML this morning; it's unfortuantely a bit tricky as util-linux 2.25's libmount has a bug
[15:03] <pitti> hallyn: but I'll keep a slightly hackish patch in our tree for now
[15:03] <mbruzek> Someone from Nagios contacted me and he wants to update the packages for Ubuntu.  He does not know how to do that so was asking me for information on how to get started.
[15:03] <pitti> hallyn: checking of the upstream patches> for what?
[15:03] <hallyn> pitti: sanity?
[15:04] <hallyn> it switches cgmanager so it now pivots into an empty root
[15:04] <hallyn> it *should* be safe, but i'm not sure whether my imagination is just failing me as to ways in which it culd fail
[15:04] <jpds> mbruzek: In which release? 14.04 LTS?
[15:05] <mbruzek> jpds He did not specify release, but I would guess yes the LTS release
[15:05] <jpds> mbruzek: That's not really possible.
[15:06] <jpds> !sru | mbruzek
[15:06] <pitti> hallyn: ah, so mostly https://github.com/lxc/cgmanager/commit/a08d1c038c84 ?
[15:06] <mbruzek> I will give him this information and see what I can do, I believe the reason he wants to update is because nagios core is verison 4.x now and we still have 3.x in the packages
[15:07] <pitti> hallyn: do you have that packaging in git, or can I clean up the changelog? (Closes: #760281) (Closes: #767468) → (Closes: #760281, #767468)
[15:07] <jpds> mbruzek: that's updatable in the development release.
[15:07] <mbruzek> jpds: if that is not possible, perhaps he can start the process for the next LTS
[15:07] <jpds> mbruzek: Exactly.
[15:07] <mbruzek> I just want to point him to the right resources so he can get moving
[15:08] <hallyn> pitti: not in git, cleanup apprecaited
[15:09] <hallyn> uh, i think not in git.  what does the pkging say? :)  /me chekcs
[15:10] <hallyn> pitti: so yeah, basically that commit and the one before and the one after it.  (the rest should be no big deal)
[15:10] <cjwatson> smoser: no, that doesn't need an MIR.  moved
[15:14] <pitti> hallyn: ah, so umounts etc. from the real systems were busted because cgmanager only made them slave in its NS, not private?
[15:15] <hallyn> no,
[15:15] <smoser> cjwatson, thanks.
[15:16] <hallyn> pitti: it was bc it cgmanager only made them slave in its NS, not in the host ns
[15:16] <hallyn> so it owrked fine under systemd, bc there the host is MS_SHARED
[15:16] <hallyn> but in sysvinit/upstart it's private on the host so mounts don't get fwded in the first place.
[15:16] <hallyn> it's not cgmanager's place to change that on the host
[15:17] <hallyn> really it points to a problem with mounts propagation, but i didn't want to fight that fight for this bug
[15:17] <pitti> hallyn: so, the patch looks sensible enough to me, and it seems some people tested it in the debian bugs too
[15:18] <pitti> hallyn: note that as far as the unblock request goes, testing has 0.33 only; I figure you want 0.36 in testing as these two bugs are quite important?
[15:19] <hallyn> pitti: yes, please.  I have a separate patch (though i have to rework it) for jessie
[15:19] <hallyn> wait,
[15:20] <pitti> hallyn: do you want to fix that? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10189427/
[15:20] <hallyn> no, i mean i'd *like* 0.36 in testing but figured that wasn't possible, so am working in a debian bug on a debdiff for 0.33-3
[15:20] <pitti> hallyn: (I suggest calling shlibdeps with -c4 to make the build fail on changed symbols)
[15:22] <hallyn> pitti: feh!  those appeared in 0.33
[15:22] <pitti> hallyn: ok, responded to https://mentors.debian.net/package/cgmanager
[15:23]  * hallyn looks for an example of shlibdeps
[15:26] <hallyn> pitti: so I dont' suppose I can use 0.33 in the new symbols file?  Or does it only matter tha tit was available as of 0.33-1 package?
[15:28] <pitti> hallyn: you should use that (i. e. the version where the symbol appeared, not when you added it to the .symbols file)
[15:29] <hallyn> thx
[15:39] <hallyn> pitti: is there a DEB_SHLIBS_ARGS type variable I can set to pass -c4, or do i have to use a override_dh_shlibdeps section?
[15:40] <pitti> hallyn: I think you have to override_dh_makeshlibs, and call dh_makeshlibs -- -c4
[15:40] <pitti> I'm not aware of something easier :/
[15:42] <cjwatson> overrides are more discoverable than variables anyway
[15:42] <hallyn> cjwatson: yeah i'm just afraid i'll drop something in the override
[15:43] <cjwatson> how so?
[15:43] <hallyn> so ican be sure that dh_makeshlibs normally doesn't pass any variables?
[15:43] <hallyn> as in, it would normally pass '-foo' and i dont' pass it in my override
[15:43] <cjwatson> the unoverridden case of override_dh_foo is always simply dh_foo
[15:43] <cjwatson> this is never a thing you need to worry about
[15:43] <hallyn> ok, that's good :)
[15:43] <hallyn> thx
[15:54] <hallyn> hm.  dpkg-shlibdeps: unknown option `-c4'
[15:54] <hallyn> pitti: ^
[15:54] <pitti> hallyn: yeah, dh_makeshlibs :)
[15:54] <cjwatson> makeshlibs not shlibdeps
[15:56] <hallyn> oh, thx.
[16:01] <zul> pitti:  is there a way were you can login to qemu for autopkgtest after a test fails?
[16:02] <pitti> zul: yes; run it with -s (aka --shell-on-fail), it will then give you the ssh command (or minicom, netcat etc. if your machine doesn't have a running ssh server)
[16:03] <zul> pitti:  cool thanks
[16:10] <hallyn> pitti: updated package pushed to mentors
[16:12] <pitti> hallyn: hm, I don't see it yet on https://mentors.debian.net/package/cgmanager
[16:12] <hallyn> pitti: just did it 3 mins ago, sometimes it takes a bit...
[16:17] <hallyn> pitti: it's there now
[16:18]  * hallyn biab
[16:24] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Where can I get the most recent packaging for cloud-init in precise(-updates)?
[16:24] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: lp:ubuntu/precise-updates/cloud-init looks out-of-date.
[16:27] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: do you know about pull-lp-source? "pull-lp-source cloud-init precise".
[16:27] <rbasak> What's in the archive is the definitive "most recent", except for maybe work in progress in branch somewhere, but I'm not sure that exists for cloud-init.
[16:29] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: I did once, and now I do again. :p  Thanks. :)
[16:30] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, looking
[16:30] <smoser> bzr importer and cloud-init do not get along.
[16:30] <smoser> its a regular PITA
[16:32] <rbasak> There seem to be a number of server packages that the bzr importer fails with. For this reason I gave up on UDD a long time ago - I have to use the non-UDD workflow anyway, and UDD never seemed to gain me much.
[16:33] <rbasak> I think it's an issue for new starters actually. More to learn, more edge cases to deal with. We should throw UDD away.
[16:33] <rbasak> (and this includes me when I started)
[16:39] <cjwatson> rbasak: Once we have git support, hopefully we will
[16:39] <pitti> hallyn: in symbols you want s/0.36-1/0.33/, but I'll fix that
[16:40] <cjwatson> (Since dgit is inherently much more reliable and does largely the same thing)
[16:40] <rbasak> cjwatson: UDD with git would work really well IMHO. Though I think the importer should leave quilt patches unapplied. Then the importer can be written to never fail.
[16:41] <rbasak> dgit did look good when I read about it. I didn't actually try to use it though.
[16:41] <cjwatson> Ian was doing something with that in dgit recently, I forget exactly where he ended up
[16:41] <cjwatson> It was certainly never-fail
[16:43] <cjwatson> Er, I think
[16:43] <cjwatson> It may well still need work, but it's much more tractable work in git
[16:44] <smoser> Odd_Bloke,
[16:44] <smoser> precise: lp:ubuntu/precise-proposed/cloud-init
[16:44] <smoser> trusty: lp:ubuntu/trusty/cloud-init
[16:44] <smoser> utopic: lp:ubuntu/utopic/cloud-init
[16:44] <smoser> vivid: lp:ubuntu/vivid/cloud-init
[16:44] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Aha, -proposed. Thanks!
[16:51] <hallyn> pitti: how did i do that!  i distinctly remember typing in 0.33
[16:54] <pitti> hallyn: uploaded
[16:54] <hallyn> pitti: thx!
[18:08] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: have you seen the pyzmq autopkgtest failure?
[18:19] <grimble_> Hi, my name is Bartek. I submitted my first bug (1410383) and provided patch. Do I have to do something more to receive feedback or just queue is full and need to wait for my turn?
[18:22] <cyphermox> grimble_: for a puppet SRU, correct?
[18:22] <grimble_> yes
[18:23] <cyphermox> grimble_: so looking quickly it seems correct, but I don't usually touch puppet
[18:23] <cyphermox> that said, since it's for a bug fix in a stable release, you might want to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[18:24] <cyphermox> to update the bug associated with that merge to make it easier to review the bug later and test the fix.
[18:26] <grimble_> ok, thanks for link, I'll look into it and come back if I would have questions :)
[18:27] <cyphermox> don't hesitate :)
[18:47] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: no, whats up with that all logs say tests worked ...
[18:47] <jtaylor> debian works weird
[18:53] <hallyn> infinity: mwhudson: hey, you guys came up with the original kvm.powerpc script (/usr/bin/kvm for powerpc)?
[18:53] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/vivid-adt-pyzmq/23/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console - there's an import error
[18:54] <tumbleweed> but that can't be explained by the 14.4.0 -> 14.4.1 diff
[18:54] <jtaylor> hm
[18:54] <jtaylor> that test shouldn't be uploaded yet
[18:54] <jtaylor> someone nmu'd
[18:54] <jtaylor> or I forgot what I did
[18:54] <jtaylor> ah nmu
[18:54] <tumbleweed> yeah, that was an ubuntu-specific upload
[18:54] <jtaylor> yeyI know of that failure
[18:55] <jtaylor> the reason its not uploaded yet
[18:55] <jtaylor> its minor but didn't have the time to see whats going wrong yet
[18:55] <tumbleweed> I can't see the cause from the diff :(
[18:55] <jtaylor> the failign test is new
[18:55] <jtaylor> just 3 lines
[18:56] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/195372601/pyzmq_14.4.0-1build1_14.4.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[18:56] <jtaylor> search for test_ssh
[18:56] <jtaylor> so its not a regression
[18:57] <tumbleweed> oh, I see
[18:57] <tumbleweed> there
[18:57] <tumbleweed> I'll force that test failure then
[18:57] <tumbleweed> no, disable that test
[18:58] <jtaylor> its probably somehow related to the apckaging
[18:58] <jtaylor> building from source normally does not cause the test to fail
[18:59] <tumbleweed> yes, it's probably a bad PYTHONPATH
[19:04] <bdmurray> zul: there is no bug for tracking the python-keystoneclient upload for a trusty SRU?
[19:04] <zul> bdmurray:  the 1.0.0 upload?
[19:05] <bdmurray> zul: right
[19:05] <zul> bdmurray:  that was a mistake please reject it
[19:06] <bdmurray> done
[19:14] <mwhudson> hallyn: yes, with help from BenC iirc
[19:16] <hallyn> mwhudson: smoser found that that fails for libvirt bc apparmor forbids the use of awk/uname.  So smoser switched it to using
[19:16] <hallyn> just shell, but the question is whehter and how to do the uname -m check.
[19:16] <mwhudson> ah
[19:16] <hallyn> 'uname -m' will i assume report ppc personality on ppc64 host,
[19:17] <hallyn> but ppc personality on ppc64host can run qemu-system-ppc64 just fine
[19:17] <mwhudson> i don't know very much about any of this :)
[19:17] <hallyn> so just wondering how best to emulate that
[19:17] <mwhudson> i just wanted to be able to install qemu-kvm on aarch64 and have something useful happen
[19:17] <mwhudson> BenC might know i guess
[19:18] <BenC> hallyn: How would “uname -m” report ppc on a ppc64?
[19:18] <hallyn> mwhudson: BenC: in particular we're wondering whther http://paste.ubuntu.com/10191769/ is ok (minus adding extra ' in last case)
[19:18] <hallyn> BenC: i assumed the same way that it reports i386 if i run 'i386' on x864 host
[19:19] <BenC> svy@yoda1:~$ uname -m
[19:19] <BenC> ppc64
[19:19] <BenC> root@ctsendian:~ # uname -m
[19:19] <BenC> ppc
[19:19] <hallyn> is ctsendian a ppc personality on ppc64?
[19:19] <BenC> bcollins@swarted:~$ uname -m
[19:20] <BenC> x86_64
[19:20] <BenC> ctsendian is a 32-bit ppc system
[19:20] <BenC> (e500mc)
[19:20] <BenC> hallyn: Ah, you mean like if I run “linux32 uname -m”?
[19:20] <hallyn> right
[19:20] <BenC> svy@yoda1:~$ linux32 uname -m
[19:20] <BenC> ppc
[19:21] <BenC> Right, that works
[19:21] <BenC> Let me test the script
[19:23] <BenC> hallyn: Add e5500* and I think it will work well
[19:23] <BenC> hallyn: Does that work for PowerMac as well?
[19:23] <BenC> i.e. does it match POWER*
[19:23] <BenC> like G5 (which is 64-bit)
[19:25] <BenC> hallyn: Here’s one you can test on: https://github.com/jolicloud/base-installer/blob/master/kernel/tests/powerpc/g5.cpuinfo
[19:29] <hallyn> BenC: cool, thanks!
[19:29] <infinity> hallyn: Wait, what does apparmor prevent?
[19:30] <hallyn> infinity: when libvirt starts a qemu instance, that is not allowed to run /bin/awk or /bin/uname
[19:30] <BenC> infinity: libvirt does not have exceptions to execute awk and uname
[19:30] <hallyn> (yes, we could add those, but we also could not)
[19:30] <infinity> hallyn: I feel like that's a bug. :P
[19:31] <infinity> hallyn: But sure, doing it in pure shell can accomplish the same thing.
[19:31] <BenC> hallyn: I would add comments in the script saying why it needs to stay purely shell, else a year from now someone will “fix it” by using snazzy awk and uname calls
[19:32] <infinity> hallyn: The new one seems incorrect, however.
[19:32] <infinity> hallyn: Since it won't catch all ppc64 cases.
[19:33] <BenC> Yeah, and I think POWER4 is not 64-bit?
[19:33] <infinity> BenC: It is.
[19:34] <infinity> I mean, it's mostly a moot point, since older ppc64 CPUs can't run kvm anyway, but newer ones that won't be branded POWER* will be able to.
[19:34] <hallyn> would it be easier to enumerate the 32-bit cases?
[19:35] <infinity> hallyn: Maybe, as only a select few 32-bit CPUs are KVM-capable, but it's still simpler to use the logic we did before. :/
[19:35] <hallyn> infinity: but then i was stil wondering whether the 'uname -m' check was actually wrong
[19:35] <hallyn> ok, we can go half-way,
[19:35] <hallyn> add an apparmor exception for uname but not awk
[19:36] <hallyn> if the uname check was correct
[19:36] <infinity> Maybe.  Or find uname in proc somewhere.  It might be hiding in there somewhere. :P
[19:36] <BenC> hallyn: I assume if you call kvm with in a ppc personality, you’ve put in effort to want to run a 32-bit VM
[19:37] <hallyn> i dunno, seems to me you car eabout what the gues thas, and qemu-system-ppc64 will dtrt wrt that
[19:37] <BenC> infinity: “uname -m” is runtime dependent on the personality
[19:38] <infinity> BenC: Yeah, I'm aware.
[19:38] <BenC> hallyn: I can’t even imagine calling kvm while under a ppc32 personality without knowing it’s happening and without knowing you want to do that for a reason
[19:38] <infinity> BenC: But personalities are also a bit of a lie. :P
[19:38] <hallyn> BenC: i suffer from a well-known lack of imagination :)
[19:38] <BenC> hallyn: Can you give me a real use case for when that even makes sense?
[19:39] <BenC> infinity: Eat your cake and go back to work
[19:39] <infinity> Anyhow, I'd agree that following uname is probably sane.
[19:39] <infinity> BenC: I refuse to work at 3:39am.
[19:39]  * hallyn jealous
[19:39] <BenC> infinity: Have you returned to AU?
[19:40] <infinity> hallyn: Anyhow, I think the default fallback for 32/64 is sane, as we can't know (and don't want to know) what future CPUs might call themselves.
[19:40] <infinity> hallyn: And uname seems the only halway sane way to do that bit.
[19:40] <infinity> BenC: HKG.
[19:40]  * BenC agrees
[19:40] <hallyn> ok, thanks guys - so i'll stick with the current use of uname -m, and at most will reproduce the awk logic with shell
[19:40] <BenC> infinity: Ah
[19:41] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Hi
[19:41] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Are you able to upload some of the packages we reviewed?
[19:42] <cyphermox> did you get a second review?
[19:42] <flexiondotorg_> Not yet. I'll chase tomorrow then.
[19:43] <cyphermox> or ask here if anybody has time to review them :)
[19:43] <flexiondotorg_> Any sponsor here who could review some packages for upload into the official archive?
[19:44] <flexiondotorg_> mhall119, Do you know anyone in not-Europe timezone that could help? With the above?
[19:45] <hallyn> BenC: so you were saying e5500* should run qemu-system-ppcemb right?
[19:46] <infinity> hallyn: Well, currently that matches   e500*|e6500*)
[19:46] <infinity> Did Ben's opinion change since we wrote that? :P
[19:46] <hallyn> infinity: that's what i'm wondering
[19:51] <hallyn> so looking at https://github.com/hallyn/qemu/blob/ubuntu-dev/debian/kvm.powerpc
[19:54] <hallyn> hm, no
[19:54] <hallyn> previous push failed :)
[19:59] <hallyn> smoser: https://github.com/hallyn/qemu/blob/ubuntu-dev/debian/kvm.powerpc is working for me on test files
[20:00] <infinity> hallyn: You don't really need the POWER*) case if you have the ppc64*) case.
[20:01] <hallyn> infinity: yeah but i figure it avoids an extra exec for uname
[20:01] <hallyn> s
[20:01] <hallyn> (gr, cursorwarp)
[20:01] <infinity> hallyn: Yeah, skips a fork, but meh.
[20:03] <infinity> hallyn: I'd also use consistent formatting for the first two cases compared to the second two for readability, but that's a minor complaint.
[20:03] <infinity> (Ideally multiline for all)
[20:04] <hallyn> infinity: well, skip a fork, and inconsistent wrt personality i guess, so i'll remove it
[20:04]  * infinity goes to bed instead of bikeshedding.
[20:04] <hallyn> infinity: thx - gnight
[20:06] <smoser> hallyn, ok. so its ok to run uname ?
[20:06] <smoser> i just completely randomly picked 'POWER'
[20:06] <hallyn> smoser: will be in about 3 minutes
[20:06] <smoser> i dont know if POWER would be right for qemu-system-ppc or not
[20:06] <hallyn> (dputing new libvirt now)
[20:06] <smoser> (ie, line 18)
[20:07] <hallyn> smoser: yeah i'm getting rid of that now
[20:08] <hallyn> smoser: so maybe https://github.com/hallyn/qemu/blob/ubuntu-dev/debian/kvm.powerpc ?
[20:12] <hallyn> hm, but that's not working
[20:12] <hallyn> oh, heh.  nm
[20:34] <mhall119> flexiondotorg_: what issue?
[20:57] <flexiondotorg_> mhall119, cyphermox has reviewed some packages for Ubuntu MATE and suggested I get a second review prior to upload to the official archive.
[20:57] <flexiondotorg_> mhall119, dholbach has been sponsoring but has been busy recently and not it is late here in Europe.
[20:57] <flexiondotorg_> mhall119, I was wondering if a sponsor from a timezone still in office hours could help?
[21:07] <mhall119> flexiondotorg_: I'm sure one could, I don't know who though
[21:07] <mhall119> I assume any ubuntu developer can do this?
[21:07] <mhall119> this is really where dholbach is an expert, not me
[21:08] <cyphermox> mhall119: correct, any MOTU can
[21:09] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg_: if you have bugs open for the uploads they could be added to the sponsoring queue so that would make things more easy to track
[21:09] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Understood.
[21:09] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, I'll file bugs for ubuntu-mate-settings and ubuntu-mate-artwork tomorrow.
[21:10] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, In fact, those have been review by dholbach previously and yourself.
[21:10] <flexiondotorg_> So, those should be good to go.
[21:10] <flexiondotorg_> Right?
[21:11] <cyphermox> if they have been reviewed by two motus yes that's sufficient, so I can upload those
[21:11] <cyphermox> you'll still need at least the metapackage uploaded before you can do much though
[21:12] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Agreed. Can that be uploaded before everything else is in the official archive?
[21:12] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg_: well, yes, but it won't be installable until the other parts are uploaded
[21:12] <cyphermox> so it would stay in proposed I'd say
[21:13] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Understood.
[21:14] <flexiondotorg_> I've got some packages we are actually uploading to Debian because they are general MATE utilities and not specific to Ubuntu MATE.
[21:15] <flexiondotorg_> So, I think we only need the ubuntu-mate-settings, ubuntu-mate-artwork and ubuntu-mate-meta packages, since the other stuff should come via Debian.
[21:16] <cyphermox> sure
[21:16] <cyphermox> and yuyo
[21:17] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Yes, yuyo too.
[21:17] <cyphermox> is there much else that hasn't yet made it in to debian?
[21:17] <cyphermox> because soon you'll end up caught in freezes
[21:17] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, We are trying to add MATE Menu, MATE Tweak and Caja-Actions to Debian.
[21:18] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, I realise the freeze happens on 19th.
[21:18] <flexiondotorg_> Hoping they can make it before then if not I can either drop them (disappointing) or apply for exception.
[21:19] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, I'm just double checking ubuntu-mate-settings and ubuntu-mate-artwork
[21:46] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, OK ubuntu-mate-settings and ubuntu-mate-artwork are good to go from my point of view.
[21:46] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Any last thoughts from you?
[22:11] <hallyn> hi - for a build-dependency which only exists on some of the arches on which the package being built exists, is there a good way to say in debian/control "only build-dep on libnuma-dev on these architectures" ?
[22:11] <hallyn> i think i'm being silly
[22:12] <hallyn> pls to ignore
[22:28] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg_: no, I'll look at them after dinner
[22:28] <flexiondotorg_> cyphermox, Many thanks!


[02:50] <ronnoc> canthus13: Where is everyone?
[02:53]  * Unit193 lives
[03:37] <canthus13> ronnoc: Hiding, I suppose.
[03:38] <canthus13> Cheri's server died so she hasn't been idling like usual.
[13:06] <paultag> (ohaio)
[13:07] <paultag> that should have been my blog's name for a while
[13:07] <paultag> [ohaio - hacking in the heartland] (or something)
[13:08] <jrgifford> morning paultag. :)
[13:08] <paultag> moin moin
[13:24] <jrgifford> How're things going?
[13:43] <dirkman> hey, ubuntu.com is down this morning, isn't it?
[13:44] <dirkman> along with all my sudo apt-get install-ablity...
[13:45] <jrgifford> dirkman: seems up for me.
[13:46] <_bbb> hey good looking!
[13:51] <dirkman> hmm... well, I was hoping someone on here might have the address of a mirror near ohio I could use to get some universe stuff while I'm locked out.
[13:52]  * paultag grumbles
[13:53] <paultag> I tried to get a John Carroll mirror going
[13:53] <jrgifford> if you don't mind being a day behind, these guys should work - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/lug.mtu.edu-archive
[13:53] <paultag> I think OSU has one
[13:53] <jrgifford> can't find the OSU mirror.
[13:53] <paultag> I could be lying
[13:53] <paultag> jacob ?
[13:53] <paultag> yeah
[13:53] <paultag> jrgifford: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntu.osuosl.org-archive
[13:53] <jrgifford> nope, you're right. there is one. just wasn't looking in the right place.  :P
[15:59] <thafreak> oh, more like a fresh install...
[15:59] <thafreak> format /,/var,/usr,/tmp only and leave everything else alone
[15:59] <_bbb> upgrades always leave me feeling dirty
[16:00] <thafreak> yup
[16:00] <jrgifford> ah, that sounds safer.
[16:00] <_bbb> you ever get that not so fresh feeling
[16:00] <thafreak> only time i really do that, are my debian servers that are in production...and can't re-install
[16:01] <thafreak> yeah...so even if i do an inline upgrade....i tend to later on re-install anyway :)
[16:01] <thafreak> it's quicker too
[16:01] <_bbb> nod
[16:02] <thafreak> plus theres all those packages i installed and don't really use or want anymore, but forgot which ones they were
[16:02] <_bbb> wiithon
[16:02] <thafreak> ?
[16:02] <_bbb> i always have to reinstall that one
[16:02] <_bbb> also jdownloader
[16:02] <thafreak> what's it do?
[16:03] <thafreak> jdownloader sounds java-ish...
[16:03] <_bbb> its for managing wii hard drives formatted wbfs
[16:03] <thafreak> nice...might need to use that someday
[16:04] <thafreak> bbl...need to go ask some questions...going to see if i can do a phd in reverse...
[16:05] <thafreak> i.e. skip classes for now, and just do the hard part first...
[19:23] <Unit193> Heh, Ubuntu Studio seems to be changing to Xubuntu Studio next release
[19:25] <jrgifford> Unit193: seriously?
[19:25] <jrgifford> Doesn't surprise me much.
[19:25] <Unit193> "so perhaps i should state the end game...i want to transition ubuntu studio to the generalized  themeing that xubuntu currently uses"
[19:26] <jrgifford> sounds good to me.
[19:26] <Unit193> Greybird + panel config :D
[19:26] <jrgifford> :D
[19:28] <Unit193> Studio fan?
[19:28] <jrgifford> Not a studio fan, but I do like XFCE/Xubuntu. :)
[19:29] <Unit193> Ah, so same as me (on that part)
[19:30] <Unit193> So you also may not be fond of https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/176033 ?
[19:46] <jrgifford> what are they asking?
[19:46] <jrgifford> I can't really figure that part out. :P
[20:56] <Unit193> Woops, I've had a few longer emails that got me distracted. I only skimmed the question, but it seems that he should try installing Oneiric, not Maverick (for one thing)
[20:57] <Unit193> What tags do you subscribe to on AskUbuntu anyway?
[21:16] <jrgifford> For Ask Ubuntu, Unity, server, lubuntu/lxde, xubuntu/xfce, 11.10, 12.04, irc and a few others.
[21:17] <Unit193> Ok, I didn't know
[21:20] <jrgifford> Oh, and community, since I love seeing ranty ravings and flagging them. :P
[21:21] <Unit193> :P
[21:21] <jrgifford> I know I know I'm horrible. :P
[21:22] <Unit193> Maybe, but I'd do it too
[21:23] <jrgifford> it's really the only way to keep the site clean.
[21:23] <jrgifford> someone has to do it, occasionally it's me.  The OMG! Ubuntu! trolls could learn a trick from these guys. :D
[21:24] <Unit193> That entire site is a troll...
[21:25] <Unit193> (Yes, I could easily get people that disagree on that)
[21:25] <jrgifford> Won't find me arguing, I'm the editor of like, the only OMG! competitor  in the world.
[21:27] <Unit193> From what I've seen, I'd almost call FSF trolls (I have seen one bad one around a few times, but also one good one)
[21:28] <jrgifford> Well played, well played.
[21:29] <Unit193> He almost earned +q (or more) in offtopic (and not ubuntu-offtopic either)
[21:40] <jrgifford> not cool.


[00:21] <zombiefied> hello
[00:21] <zombiefied> Anyone there/
[00:21] <zombiefied> At all?
[00:22] <zombiefied> Hello?
[00:22] <zombiefied> Anyone know how to install wifidrivers?
[00:23] <Dragnslcr> !wifi
[00:25] <zombiefied> I cannot find drivers for WRT160N Linksys :(
[00:45] <N_> olá
[00:46] <N_> como eu desinstalo o swfdec daqui? eu instalei e não tá funcionando com o youtube
[00:46] <N_> ????
[00:47] <LjL> N_: eso es el canal ingles, portugues en #ubuntu-br, pero si lo instlaste con APT, escribe "sudo apt-get remove swfdec" en una consola por desinstalarlo
[00:49] <N_> how can i uninstall the swfdec? i installed and i can't see the videos on youtube
[00:56] <N_> ???
[00:57] <ubox> how do you enable nvidia drivers in kde? in gnome it was system > administration > hardware
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> ubox: KMenu -> system -> Hardware drivers
[01:01] <ubox> awesome, thank you jontheechidna
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[01:04] <N_> how can i uninstall the swfdec?
[01:06] <N_> o_o
[01:07] <LuisJa> something really wrong with amarok: it crash instatly after trying to use it, here is the bug report: http://pastebin.ca/1605629 i need to hear my electro!!!!
[01:08] <ubox> ok, so the hardware driver utility claims i have none in use and none are listed. does it require network connectivity to function properly?
[01:10] <ubox> i read that as of jaunty broadcom wireless drivers are natively supported though the hardware driver util. but they are not there either, nor does wireless work
[01:36] <ubox> has anyone gotten broadcom working in karmic
[01:36] <ubox> 4311
[01:44] <Todo_> ;list
[01:44] <Todo_> sorry
[02:01] <LuisJa> something really wrong with amarok: it crash instantly after trying to use it, here is the bug report: http://pastebin.ca/1605629 i need to hear my electro!!!!
[02:05] <LuisJa> how i can install debugging symbols for phonon-xine?
[02:06] <dani_> hola a todos
[02:31] <jonny> Some brazilian?
[03:03] <D34thbyph34r> s
[03:22] <Byron> How can I find out what is causing my desktop to randomly freeze and my internet connection to suddenly drop?
[03:30] <RussellAlan> Anyone know how to bring up different window views? Like cycling through windows,
[03:30] <RussellAlan> It keeps doing it by accident and im wondering what command did it
[03:43] <RussellAlan> kubuntu
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> RussellAlan: maybe alt + tab?
[03:43] <RussellAlan> Well alt tab has its own way off display
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> there's also one where when you keep your mouse cursor at the top left of the screen for a second, the windows will appear
[03:44] <RussellAlan> this method displays the windows in a flat view
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> the "present windows" effect in the settings
[03:44] <RussellAlan> JontheEchidna:  something like that, because it happens when im browsing firefox and then randomly windows pops up for selection.
[03:45] <RussellAlan> I've been having issues with the mouse moving around on its own.
[03:52] <RussellAlan> How do I upgrade my kde version?
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> RussellAlan: which version of Kubuntu are you using?
[03:53] <RussellAlan> 9.04
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> RussellAlan: http://www.kubuntu.org/new/kde-4.3.2
[03:54] <RussellAlan> Yeah, I just caught it, thanks.
[03:54] <RussellAlan> What do you reccomend for my mouse issues?
[03:54] <RussellAlan> Just jumps around
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> hmm, can't say that I know how to fix that I'm afraid
[03:55] <RussellAlan> Yeah,
[03:56] <RussellAlan> Upgrade to 9.10 over the Internet:
[03:56] <RussellAlan> 1) Type Alt-F2 and type into the box update-notifier-kde -d
[03:56] <RussellAlan> Where do I hit Alt+F2 to pull that up?
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> anywhere, it should bring up a run dialog
[03:57] <RussellAlan> yes this elusive should word
[03:57] <RussellAlan> Somethings not right with my install I suppose.
[03:57] <JontheEchidna> alternatively you could run that command from Konsole
[04:05] <rav> hello. does anyone use kpilot to sync pdas?
[04:06] <rav> since the recent update in jaunty to kde 4.2.4, I can't sync correctly anymore
[04:35] <Zeikfried> Is it possible to get XGL anymore?
[05:15] <Guest14700> list
[06:03] <JJman6> what  packages do i install to get the ability to compile/make packages.  whats hte development package
[06:04] <JJman6> isn't there 1 package that has everything i need
[06:58] <abhishek> hello
[07:03] <fhenning09> Has anyone everheard of Windows Home Server?
[07:58] <ubuntu_> wow
[08:08] <snaf1> hey whats the command to get flash and java?if i am doing it in termial
[08:12] <fhenning09>  /sudo apt-get install (package)
[08:13] <fhenning09> try this if you have synaptic use it if you don'e use that command and its gui will make it easier for you to search and install apps
[08:23] <snaf1> I got flash working i think, hmmm utube is working but not another program hmm
[08:38] <NoReflex> Hello! I'm having some problems with Font Smoothing on KDE 4.3. After a reboot even though Font Smoothing is enabled in SystemSettings the fonts look as if there's no font smoothing. I'm using Karmic.
[08:41] <noren> hello all
[08:45] <NoReflex> any ideas?
[08:49] <snaf1> I dont sorry
[10:05] <peet> anyone using Intel 945GM video card?
[10:06] <Blizzerand> Me !
[10:06] <Blizzerand> Do you have any problem running kubuntu with it
[10:06] <peet> do you have a configuration that works well?
[10:06] <peet> graphics is slow on Jaunty
[10:07] <Blizzerand> peet : What is you RAM
[10:07] <peet> i GB
[10:07] <peet> 1 GB
[10:08] <Blizzerand> hmm . Probably the graphics slowing everything  .
[10:10] <peet> I used the new drivers at http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/ but I had to reinstall and now it doesn't work
[10:11] <peet> it works better in Karmic if I boot from live CD but if I install it, it doesn't boot
[10:12] <Blizzerand> peet : Are you on jaunty or Karmic
[10:13] <peet> Jaunty
[10:13] <peet> Karmic doesn't work, only from live CD
[10:14]  * Blizzerand thinks jaunty had less support for old intel graphics .
[10:15] <Blizzerand> Can you enable desktop effects , peet
[10:15] <peet> I can, but it works slowly
[10:16] <AngryKoala> kwin is your wm i assume
[10:17] <peet> yes I use kwin
[10:18] <AngryKoala> texture filter is bilinear?
[10:19] <peet> yes
[10:20] <AngryKoala> is it slow if you disable desktop effects
[10:20] <peet> it is faster, but other graphics stuff like games etc. are still slow
[10:21] <AngryKoala> have you tried metacity?
[10:22] <peet> no, I didn't
[10:22] <peet> but it won't solve my driver problem, I think
[10:22] <AngryKoala> how do you know its a driver problem
[10:22] <peet> Blizzerand: what configuration do you use?
[10:23] <Blizzerand> peet : I am using kde but not kubuntu lol
[10:23] <peet> oh
[10:24] <peet> AngryKoala: I said earlier: "I used the new drivers at http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/ppa/ubuntu/ but I had to reinstall and now it doesn't work"
[10:25] <peet> it's clearly driver problem, because the new drivers worked better
[10:25] <HollowPoint> peet, just caught up with your convo, I've definitely run the 945GM card before, just not sure if it was on an older HP Laptop or the one sat next to me with the lid closed, either way I've used it with Kubuntu and worked fine, if it was the older laptop then it woul dhave been Hardy, whereas the new one is running Jaunty
[10:26] <peet> HollowPoint: yes, it was faster under Hardy
[10:28] <HollowPoint> this one here next to me is running a 945PM, so was the older one, i.e. Hardy that had the 945GM
[10:29] <peet> I suppose I can't use the Hardy drivers under Jaunty?
[10:29] <HollowPoint> when you say slow?
[10:29] <peet> Jaunty is slow
[10:29] <peet> Intrepid was slow too
[10:30] <HollowPoint> the whole system? Or just the graphics?
[10:30] <peet> just the graphics
[10:33] <HollowPoint> very strange
[10:33] <HollowPoint> you've dropped to console and checked top I assume to make sure the system isn't running any undue load?
[10:35] <AngryKoala> mine is a Intel Mobile 945GME
[10:35] <HollowPoint> What laptop model is it?
[10:35] <HollowPoint> I'm guessing HP?
[10:35] <peet> only xorg makes high CPU loads
[10:35] <peet> I have lenovo 3000 C200
[10:36] <HollowPoint> have you tried installing the absolute latest Karmic as of today? Or finding out if there is a special repo for the latest Intel Graphics drivers etc?
[10:36] <HollowPoint> I noticed earlier when I upgraded Karmic there were Nvidia graphics drivers in the mix
[10:37] <peet> there is a launchpad repository that has new drivers, which worked a bit better for me
[10:38] <HollowPoint> RAM in the machine?
[10:38] <peet> but I had to reinstall lately, and graphics don't work since I use these drivers
[10:38] <peet> 1 GB ram
[10:38] <AngryKoala> can you use older drivers?
[10:38] <HollowPoint> oh and you mentioned high load from Xorg, how high and on what?
[10:38] <peet> I made a thread about it: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1286542
[10:40] <HollowPoint> Just looking through google here I've spotted a few comments from people saying the 945GME is likely to be slow with GLX :S
[10:40] <HollowPoint> not news you wanted I'm sure
[10:40] <HollowPoint> this is GLX 1.4 and above I should add
[10:41] <peet> if I don't have desktop effects enabled, and run top from Konsole, xorg's cpu load is between 10 and 20% if I don't do anything
[10:41] <HollowPoint> I was just gunna suggest turning effects off, but you've already done it
[10:42] <peet> you use Karmic, HollowPoint?
[10:44] <HollowPoint> on my desktop I do
[10:44] <HollowPoint> laptops are both running Jaunty
[10:44] <HollowPoint> one HP one Dell
[10:44] <peet> what video card do you have?
[10:44] <HollowPoint> on the desktop? A 3 year old Nvidia 7600GT
[10:47] <peet> laptops?
[10:47] <HollowPoint> I thought the HP was running an intel but turns out both are running Radeon Mobiles
[10:49] <HollowPoint> I had a couple of HP laptops for work last year when I was working for a company in the city, they were both Intel 945GMs
[10:49] <HollowPoint> they both crapped out with desktop effects/compiz but ran fine without
[10:50] <HollowPoint> the HP we have now should be running a 945PM but turns out the missus paid extra for the Radeon when she bought it, (She's a graphic designer)
[10:51] <peet> well, then I will have to wait until Karmic comes out
[10:51] <HollowPoint> you can't run the Beta/
[10:51] <HollowPoint> ?
[10:51] <peet> it doesn't boot
[10:51] <peet> says that the partition is corrupted and can't mount it
[10:52] <HollowPoint> not even if you switch run levels during boot?
[10:52] <HollowPoint> there is an option in Grub with Karmic to simply drop to a root shell, have you tried that and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade from the command line?
[10:53] <peet> no I didn' try
[10:54] <HollowPoint> might be worth a go, I'm truly loving Karmic it has to be said
[10:54] <peet> it stopped at fsck and said that it can't fix the partition and then dropped to a root shell with the partition mounted as read-only
[10:54] <HollowPoint> yikes, that sucks
[10:55] <HollowPoint> was that the beta or the alpha6?
[10:55] <peet> beta
[10:55] <peet> I could try to upgrade from Jaunty, but then I would have to reinstall again if it fails
[10:55] <HollowPoint> ah, then yeah I guess you'll have to wait, either that or try to upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic
[10:56] <HollowPoint> yeah the joy of Linux though is that only takes 20 minutes or so
[10:56] <HollowPoint> there are issues with RAID in Karmic atm I notice, but not seen anything about SATA problems, which is the only reason I can think that the partitions would get screwed on install
[11:32] <gary1122> !test
[11:33] <gary1122> !hello
[11:56] <flipfone> hi after a failed upgrade i have been doing updates everyday till now i am receiving this error http://pastebin.com/d25569320  any ideas?
[12:04] <dirtyturbin> Hey I have just one stupid question: Is it possibile to upgrade my centrino core duo to the new core 2 duo? I want to do this because I am tired of the lag and want to keep my laptop up to date but core duos are not being made anymore. so ummm ... help?
[12:05] <N0LLY> wll
[12:05] <N0LLY> you have to check your motherboard whether it supports it first
[12:06] <dirtyturbin> NOLLY: how do I do that? sorry kinda a newb at mobile
[12:07] <dirtyturbin> I guess what I am really asking is are the 2 processors the same socket.  Please check HPLIP installation.
[12:22] <dirtyturbin> NOLLY: I figured it out and intel did not tell me actually. just did a little wiki research and found out that both the centrino duo is a 478 socket same with the base model core 2 duo and if anyone really wants to know, same with the pentium 4! WOO!
[12:22] <dirtyturbin> I feels proud of meself.
[12:22] <dirtyturbin> :D
[12:42] <Briareos1> kmail: i accidently deactivated the dialog-box which asks me prior to deletion with CAPS+DEL - how can i re-enable that?
[12:51] <Briareos1> i found it in kmailrc ... NoConfirmDelete=true help - but it's apparently not in GUI of the kmail version from 8.04
[13:21] <hemal> hello. when i try to install skanlite I get a popup saying download failed, check your network connection
[13:22] <N0LLY> dirtyturbin: hi i`m back
[13:22] <hemal> with some struggle i found the command line sudo apt-get install skanlite
[13:22] <N0LLY> dirtyturbin: so you solved it right?
[13:22] <hemal> which comes back with Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/skanlite/skanlite_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  404 Not Found
[13:23] <dirtyturbin> NOLLY: yes and thank you!
[13:23] <N0LLY> ok, enjoy then ;)
[13:24] <hemal> that URL should be http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/pool/main/s/skanlite/skanlite_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[13:25] <hemal> so why the extra /ubuntu in the url? how do i set the local repository right?
[13:25] <N0LLY> briareos
[13:25] <N0LLY> hello
[13:26] <N0LLY> hemal, i will come to you soon, give me a second
[13:26] <N0LLY> briareos
[13:26] <hemal> NOLLY thanks. I will wait
[13:27] <N0LLY> ok briareos looks like is away
[13:27] <N0LLY> so
[13:27] <N0LLY> hemal
[13:27] <N0LLY> do you have adept installed?
[13:27] <N0LLY> in kubuntu?
[13:28] <hemal> i don't know
[13:28] <N0LLY> ok i tell you what you should do ok?
[13:28] <hemal> its not installed
[13:28] <hemal> hemal@dualcore:~$ adept
[13:28] <hemal> The program 'adept' is currently not installed.  To run 'adept' please ask youradministrator to install the package 'adept'
[13:28] <N0LLY> open kpackage kit
[13:28] <hemal> yes, please tell me what to do
[13:28] <N0LLY> open kpackage kit
[13:28] <hemal> it's open.
[13:29] <N0LLY> search adept and install it
[13:29] <hemal> thanks for your help, but if you can walk me through command line i will appreciate , so i can learn :-)
[13:30] <N0LLY> well i don`t know command line much but you can try sudo apt-get adept
[13:30] <Bou> hemal: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:30] <hemal> ok never mind. i am installing adept
[13:30] <Bou> hemal: you can edit the sources like this and remove the /ubuntu/
[13:30] <hemal> Bou: is that instead of adept?
[13:30] <hemal> oh
[13:31] <N0LLY> well in adept, there is the skanlite you want ;)
[13:31] <hemal> oh ok NOLLY
[13:31] <hemal> but adept install gives same error from the UI
[13:31] <hemal> Bou: i have the file open, what do i change?
[13:32] <hemal> Bou: should I change all lines like deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ to drop the last ubuntu/?
[13:32] <N0LLY> I think then that bou can help you in this case...
[13:33] <hemal> NOLLY; thanks for your help
[13:33] <N0LLY> skanlite is an imaging program right? scanning...
[13:33] <Bou> hemal: erm if the lines  are for all the apps, i won't change it..
[13:33] <Bou> hemal: there is no special line for skanlite?
[13:34] <hemal> Bou: no nothing specific for skanlite
[13:35] <Bou> then don't change it, because it's the default lines and it would affect every other apps
[13:35] <hemal> but there is no ubuntu in http://in.archive.ubuntu.com
[13:36] <hemal> i have installed previously using kpackagekit, don't know why sources.list went bad
[13:36] <hemal> how do i set it right?
[13:36] <Bou> i never use kpackagekit
[13:36] <Bou> which version of Kubuntu is it?
[13:36] <N0LLY> hemal: try search skanlite there, in kpackage kit
[13:37] <hemal> i think i have previously installed using apt-get also
[13:37] <hemal> NOLLY: i can find it as available package
[13:37] <Bou> hemal: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+question/85260  looks like your problem
[13:38] <hemal> yes, it seems the same issue
[13:38] <Bou> but no solution proposed
[13:39] <Bou> i don't know if KPackageKit could mess the sources.list..
[13:39] <hemal> right, no solution
[13:41] <N0LLY> hemal, did you try to search the skanlite in kpackage kit? because you can find it there
[13:41] <hemal> NOLLY: i too can find it, but installing gives me the check network error, which is what brought me here in the first place
[13:42] <N0LLY> hm, ok i understand
[13:42] <N0LLY> if in kpackage kit...
[13:42] <N0LLY> you select
[13:42] <N0LLY> settings
[13:42] <N0LLY> and
[13:42] <N0LLY> edit software sources
[13:43] <N0LLY> a window opens
[13:43] <Bou> maybe the remote repo is just down?
[13:43] <N0LLY> can you select a different server from there?
[13:43] <N0LLY> yes it can
[13:43] <N0LLY> or rather might be
[13:44] <hemal> i am changing from server for india to main server
[13:44] <N0LLY> ok try that ;)
[13:44] <N0LLY> it might work.........
[13:45] <hemal> its downloading additional package files...first time kpackagekit has been able to find something in 1 hour :-)
[13:45] <N0LLY> so it is kind of "working"
[13:46] <hemal> yes, it would seem so. hopefully
[13:46] <NoReflex> hello guys! What dow you think would be a faster CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 3040  @ 1.86GHz OR Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz
[13:46] <N0LLY> so Bou is right :D
[13:46] <hemal> it is taking some time...i'll be back
[13:47] <hemal> he is right about what?
[13:47] <N0LLY> remote repo being down
[13:47] <N0LLY> noreflex - i think the xeon
[13:47] <hemal> no, i don't think it is down. it seems my sources.lst has wrong locations
[13:48] <NoReflex> I thought so too since the XEON is a dual core cpu and the pentium only has HT
[13:48] <N0LLY> Xeon is a server cpu if i am not mistaken, so it has to be fast....
[13:48] <Pici> NoReflex: This channel has the same offtopic rules as #ubuntu does, please respect our channel guidelines.
[13:48] <hemal> it has http://in.arhive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ all over the place which is a bad url
[13:49] <NoReflex> Pici: what channel do you suggest? I got no anwser in #hardware and #cpu
[13:49] <hemal> http://in.arhive.ubuntu.com/ is reachable and browsable from browser
[13:49] <Pici> hemal: archive is spelled incorrectly.
[13:49] <Pici> NoReflex: ##hardware, #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:49] <N0LLY> kubuntu-offtopic
[13:49] <hemal> Pici: that's only here because i typed :-)
[13:49] <hemal> http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ is what i have in browser
[13:50] <N0LLY> hm, so is it still downloading
[13:50] <N0LLY> ?
[13:50] <hemal> yes
[13:50] <hemal> i am india :-)
[13:51] <N0LLY> so for now, that is the most important thing.. you can tackle the siurces later
[13:51] <N0LLY> *sources
[13:51] <hemal> ok it finished downloading. now i go back to software management?
[13:52] <N0LLY> yes
[13:52] <N0LLY> and try whether you can download skanlite there
[13:52] <hemal> Downloading!
[13:52] <N0LLY> ^^
[13:52] <hemal> seems to have succeeded
[13:53] <hemal> now, do you know if this will be able scan from my Epson printer-cum-scanner?
[13:53] <N0LLY> well I`m sorry for that :(
[13:53] <N0LLY> I don`t know hehe
[13:54] <hemal> oh ok. btw the india repository seems to be screwed up. the apt-sources now does not have the initial in. in the urls
[13:54] <N0LLY> so for now you can use the main server
[13:54] <hemal> my install finisehd
[13:55] <N0LLY> and post that problem in the forums if you don`t get any answer from here
[13:55] <hemal> NOLLY, BOU: thanks a ton.
[13:55] <hemal> goodbye
[13:55] <N0LLY> good bye
[14:33] <sczgilae> hi, i have problems with the language on my kubuntu 9.04. When i installed "Basque" language i see russian characters, however i thought that it have solution installing "kde-l10n-eu" library. But now im afraid because if i choose Basque as default language of the system i see again russian character and some shortcuts dissapear. on the other hand, if i start session as normal user and i choose Basque as language everything looks ok
[14:36] <sczgilae> hi, i have problems with the language on my kubuntu 9.04. When i installed "Basque" language i see russian characters, however i thought that it have solution installing "kde-l10n-eu" library. But now im afraid because if i choose Basque as default language of the system i see again russian character and some shortcuts dissapear. on the other hand, if i start session as normal user and i choose Basque as language everything looks ok
[14:36] <sczgilae>  deduce the problem is when i choose basque as default language of the system, the system load another library instead of "kde-l10n-eu".
[14:36] <FloodBotK2> sczgilae: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:40] <andry> Hi
[14:41] <andry> I have a problem with my sound'
[14:41] <andry> anyone can help?
[14:41] <andry> plese
[14:41] <andry> please
[14:42] <andry> sound card : IDT ID 7603
[14:42] <cars> WAre you getting an error?
[14:43] <cars> *are
[14:43] <andry> my sound is not working
[14:43] <andry> no
[14:43] <andry> no error
[14:44] <andry> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[14:44] <andry> lspci : 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[14:44] <genii> !intelhda
[14:44] <andry> cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[14:44] <andry> Codec: IDT ID 7603
[14:44] <andry> Codec: Generic 11c1 ID 1040
[14:45] <andry> I have read that
[14:45] <andry> 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device aa38
[14:47] <andry> I can't find my model in ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz
[14:47] <andry> any suggestion?
[14:51] <andry> fr
[14:52] <andry> no one can help?
[14:53] <cars> andry: Sorry, it's beyond my level of expertise.  Perhaps try in #ubuntu?
[14:54] <andry> #ubuntu
[14:54] <Pici> andry: /join #ubuntu
[14:54] <andry> #ubuntu?
[14:55] <N_> what is the diference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[14:57] <cars> N_: Kubuntu uses KDE and Ubuntu uses Gnome.  Ubuntu is also the original project.
[14:57] <N_> humm
[14:57] <N_> ok
[14:58] <cars> Do you know what those are, N_?
[14:58] <N_> grafics engines, right?
[14:58] <Kubuntiac> @N_ - It's like 2 cars with different pain jobs, steering wheels, stereos etc... but the same engine under the hood. :)
[14:59] <N_> my ubuntu is configured to autojoin this channel
[14:59] <Kubuntiac> Look and GUI's are different. Most of the important stuff is the same.
[14:59] <cars> Kubuntiac: Nice analogy.
[14:59] <Kubuntiac> Default apps are different, too, but you can use whichever apps you want on both
[14:59] <Kubuntiac> :)
[15:00] <Kubuntiac> pain jobs= paint jobs! lol
[15:00] <Kubuntiac> Did I really just call KDE / Gnome "pain jobs".... Freudian slip...
[15:00] <genii> Hehe
[15:04] <N_> my blender don't work. something in the base of grafic, the camera don't turn, the windows stay when should go away, etc
[15:04] <minde> how install kubuntu ati driver help
[15:04] <minde> ?
[15:08] <minde> pleace help
[15:08] <genii> minde: Kmenu... System...Hardware Drivers                it should ask then if you want to install proprietary ATI driver
[15:11] <minde> but not works
[15:11] <andry> \join #ubuntu
[15:18] <genii> andry: /join #ubuntu
[15:18] <genii> !ati
[15:18] <Pici> genii: Hes been there for a while now :)
[15:19] <genii> My work is very busy, apologies on lag
[15:19] <Pici> genii: I cannot accept your apology
[15:20]  * genii hides in shame, sneaking coffee
[15:26] <rafytafy> morning!
[15:26] <genii> rafytafy: Greetings
[15:30] <rafytafy> :) genii
[16:07] <dorces> hello, i need help :(
[16:08] <kaddi> hi dorces. :) Please state your problem if we know the answer someone will answer
[16:09] <sczgilae> hi, i have problems with the language on my kubuntu 9.04. When i installed "Basque" language i see russian characters, however i thought that it have solution installing "kde-l10n-eu" library. But now im afraid because if i choose Basque as default language of the system i see again russian character and some shortcuts dissapear. on the other hand, if i start session as normal user and i choose Basque as language everything looks ok
[16:09] <sczgilae>  deduce the problem is when i choose basque as default language of the system, the system load another library instead of "kde-l10n-eu".
[16:09] <dorces> program AMAROK is broken
 What now?
[16:14] <kaddi> what amarok and how is it broken?
[16:17] <dorces> Can not create a trace.
[16:17] <dorces> It seems that this trace will be useless.
[16:17] <dorces>   It is probably because the packages have been developed in a way that prevents breakage traces the development of fair, as well as can be, and so that the "stack frame" was damaged during the crash
[16:17] <FloodBotK2> dorces: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:18] <kaddi> dorces: so it crashes on startup?
[16:19] <kaddi> dorces: do "apt-cache policy amarok" in a command line and paste the result to nopaste.com. Please give me the link to the paste
[16:23] <Ev0luti0n_> hello folks!

[16:23] <dorces> console?
[16:24] <kaddi> yes
[16:26] <dorces> http://nopaste.com/p/af36DIWEU
[16:27] <dorces>
[16:27] <dorces> fit?
[16:28] <kaddi> could you run amarok from console and also pastebin the result to nopaste? But if it is crashing, I fear I can't to much to help you.
[16:28] <kaddi> maybe try #amarok
[16:29] <genii> You should enable backports and up your amarok version to 2.1.1mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu1
[16:31] <dorces> http://nopaste.com/p/aXWVGTD3B
[16:33]  * genii sips
[16:34] <rafytafy> so far my firefox 3.5 on hardy works good
[16:34] <kaddi> great
[16:34]  * rafytafy is very happy
[16:35] <rafytafy> i noticed in 3.0 that if you save history for more then say 5 days, the load and kill time is longer
[16:35] <dorces> stupid program error
[16:37] <kaddi> rafytafy: yeah that's because they made the history searchable, like when you enter "home" into the adressbar and all websites you visited which have something to do with homes popup
[16:37] <rafytafy> yeah I noticed that...i set my firefox to delete pretty much everything after I close it
[16:37] <kaddi> so they need a little longer to store it on closing, at least that's what the FF people tell me
[16:38] <genii> dorces: echo "deb http://lt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-backports main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade amarok
[16:39] <rafytafy> tee is piping output no?
[16:40] <genii> rafytafy: Because sudo echo "blah" >> /somewhere/admin/is.required     doesn't work
[16:40] <rafytafy> oh snap
[16:49] <dorces> Would you know the name of another music player ?
[16:50] <Pici> !players
[16:50] <_motti__> hi guys. I want to transfer a pdf file to an application on my ipod touch. the apllication can access html web pages, how can I set html server quickly (or pdf server?) on my machine?
[16:53] <genii> _motti__: Install something like thttpd and then put the pdf file in /var/www     then you can access it by the IP of the box running the http daemon
[16:54] <smellynoser> Not many audio players about huh?
[16:55] <dorces>
[16:55] <dorces> crazy. from resuming program: - /
[16:55] <dorces>
[16:55] <dorces> crazy. from resuming program: - /
[16:55] <FloodBotK2> dorces: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:59] <mikebeecham> hey guys...I wanted to try Kubuntu for the first time today, but I'm having real problems burning the iso to disc...are there any helpful hints and tips for the burning process?
[17:00] <_motti__> you need to burn it as image file and not data. (this was my mistake when I first downloaded an iso file) what app are you using?
[17:01] <mikebeecham> _motti__: hey mate...yeah I'm doing that through Brasero
[17:01] <mikebeecham> I have Ubuntu on one machine, and I want to try Kubuntu on my second machine to see whether I would like it or not
[17:02] <_motti__> there should be simply be a button, "burn image"
[17:02] <genii> Make sure if DVD image you're using a DVD... check the md5sum of the iso before burning... use a lower burn speed if underruns/overruns... if CD iso make sure you have a CD which allows that size (700-something Mb CD and not 650Mb CD)
[17:03] <genii> mikebeecham: If you already run Ubuntu you don't need a CD. Just install package kubuntu-desktop
[17:03] <mikebeecham> genii: using a decent sized CD, and Brasero only really have the option to lower the burn speed to 10x.
[17:03] <genii> Ah, on other machine...nvm
[17:03] <mikebeecham> I want to try Kubuntu on another machine because I dont want to start messing with my gnome machine
[17:04] <mikebeecham> I have two PCs side by side, and the other one is windows...I can afford to mess with that one
[17:06] <masta_> hello
[17:08]  * genii hands out more coffees
[17:09] <mikebeecham> i like coffee...do you have cookies as well?
[17:10] <genii> mikebeecham: Not today
[17:11] <mikebeecham> pah...I may just stay part of the gnome community then..they have cookies
[17:12] <kaddi> lol
[17:12] <genii> !cookies
[17:12] <mikebeecham> ha!
[17:12] <mikebeecham> !donuts
[17:12] <mikebeecham> :(
[17:13] <nositelicense> !beer
[17:13] <kaddi> !coffee
[17:13] <nositelicense> damd
[17:13] <kaddi> see, it knows the really important things :p
[17:13] <minde> how check the installed ATI driver
[17:13] <genii> masta_: If you are having some issue with your Kubuntu that you need help with, please just ask your question in the channel generally
[17:13] <mikebeecham> !Android
[17:13] <minde> ?
[17:13] <genii> !botabuse
[17:14] <kaddi> Hi I'm having a problem with thunderbird and was wondering if you could help. About 3 weeks ago thunderbird stopped opening links in mails. I have set thunderbird to the default mail-client and did add the network.app-handler.http to firefox, but that didn't help. Any other suggestions how to get my links to open again?
[17:14]  * nositelicense goes on a beer run
[17:14] <genii> Luckily it's slow right now and we can abuse the bot a little bit. But if the questions pick up please keep !botabuse in mind :)
[17:15] <kaddi> when is it not slow here? :p
[17:15] <genii> Just before and after a new release
[17:16] <genii> ( Which is soon for 9.10 )
[17:16] <kaddi> hehe
[17:16] <Ev0luti0n_> lol
[17:17] <mikebeecham> !beer
[17:17] <mikebeecham> goodness....no-good-time-bot
[17:17] <mikebeecham> !crack cocaine
[17:17] <mikebeecham> j/k
[17:17] <kaddi> lol
[17:18] <zappotek> Hello, anyone know where to find the compositing type/advanced settings/ x configuration as i am trying to get my desktop effects working?
[17:20] <genii> zappotek: System Settings...Desktop...Desktop Effects. Then you have 3 tabs on right, one is labelled Advanced
[17:20] <zappotek> genii: thanks
[17:20] <zappotek> damn
[17:21] <zappotek> thanks, its working!!
[17:23] <genii> zappotek: You're welcome
[17:25] <dell_> hello all
[17:25] <dell_> is any one in here useing the karmic
[17:25] <kaddi> hello
[17:25] <kaddi> for karmic discussion and support please check in #ubuntu+1
[17:28] <mikebeecham> wooo....Kubuntu liveCD is booting up!
[17:28] <mikebeecham> man it's looking sexy
[17:30] <mikebeecham> well, I have a mouse and a black screen so far...but kinda nothing else
[17:41] <Guest32893> testing
[17:42] <Guest32893> does this work?
[17:42] <jipang_menjerit> yup
[17:47] <Gintulis> why i cant access share folder on ather pc?  smb://workgroup i see pc1 and pc2, from pc2 i can access pc1 and pc2 share folders, but from pc1 i see only pc1 share folders
[17:48] <noren> hello all
[17:50] <genii> Gintulis: Usual cause of that is one of 3 things... improper or no broadcast IP was given, or PC1 is not in WORKGROUP but something like MSHOME, or gateway/DNS
[17:51] <Gintulis> they both computers on WORKGROUP
[17:56] <noren> hi , test
[18:20] <_motti__> genii: I'm sorry, I got carried out with your idea. It's nice. many thanks.
[18:22] <genii> _motti__: You're welcome
[18:22] <seeiah> hi
[18:23] <genii> !hi | seeiah
[18:23] <seeiah> i installed kubuntu and try something... even this irc
[18:30] <rafytafy> is there a kde version of xchat?
[18:31] <jamesjedimaster> thereis konversation and quassel
[18:31] <rafytafy> ah
[18:34] <fmacomber> Question: Does the "System Connection" in the network manager work in Karmic with KDE4.3? If so, how does one go about creating a system connection? Thanks in advance.
[18:48] <Zlatan> juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html
[19:30] <filipecardeal> oi
[19:32]  * somekool is looking forward Kubuntu 10.04
[19:40] <therjcalifornia> hi
[19:42] <therjcalifornia> how can I set the date and time during boot time?
[19:42] <therjcalifornia> hello?
[19:43] <therjcalifornia> is anybody here?
[19:44] <jhutchins_lt> Not really.
[19:44] <jhutchins_lt> How do you want to set it?  Manually?
[19:44] <serzholino> therjcalifornia: ntdate package should do this lready
[19:45] <serzholino> *ntpdate
[19:45] <therjcalifornia> hi serzholino! No, I want to create a file that sets the date while booting
[19:46] <therjcalifornia> @jhutchins_lt I want to create a file that sets the date while booting
[19:47] <jhutchins_lt> therjcalifornia: You want the date/time set correctly to the current time, and you have network access?
[19:47] <therjcalifornia> no, any date in 2009
[19:48] <therjcalifornia> well, the thing is my laptop battery is screwed up, so it sets the date to 1969, which makes Linux stupid
[19:48] <therjcalifornia> and it won't boot
[19:49] <therjcalifornia> and ebay won't ship to El Salvador....
[19:49] <jhutchins_lt> therjcalifornia: Ok, ntpdate should try to automatically set the time & date when you boot.  The problem may be that you need more of a change than ntpd will make, so you need to run ntpdate first.
[19:50] <jhutchins_lt> I _just_ got my kubuntu box up to date, let me see if I can see where to make the changes.
[19:50] <therjcalifornia> it does set time at boot, however, 'cause the batterry is dead, it sets the time at 1969 :S
[19:50] <kl87> i have both gnome and kde im running karmic and when in gnome i have sound wheen in kde i have no sound..idk whats wrong
[19:51] <therjcalifornia> I know that a file can be created in order to set the date
[19:51] <therjcalifornia> I mean any date
[19:52] <therjcalifornia> not specially the actual date
[19:52] <therjcalifornia> @kl87 I think that KDE and Gnome don't play nice with each other....
[19:53] <jhutchins_lt> therjcalifornia: I think I can tell you how to fix this via the console.
[19:53] <therjcalifornia> ok
[19:53] <therjcalifornia> how?
[19:54] <jhutchins_lt> I'm going to do some not-recommended things here like have you run 'sudo bash' in a console.
[19:54] <therjcalifornia> sure
[19:54] <therjcalifornia> no problem with that
[19:54] <jhutchins_lt> therjcalifornia: Next, ntpq -p
[19:56] <therjcalifornia> aha?
[19:57] <jhutchins_lt> What's it say?
[19:58] <therjcalifornia> nothing happened :S
[19:58] <jhutchins_lt> Ok, ntp probably not running.  /etc/init.d/ntp start
[19:59] <jhutchins_lt> Results?
[20:09] <FloodBotK2> !netsplit
[20:22] <mauri> is there a program for kubuntu in order to resize ntfs partitons (gparted and partition manager don't work)
[20:23] <genii> mauri: gparted does work, you need however to have ntfsprogs installed prior to running it
[20:24] <mauri> genii: tnk I try
[20:29] <NoobProgrammer> New channel for OpenShot User Group is #openshot - please spread the word
[20:29] <NoobProgrammer> http://www.openshotvideo.com  is the home blog
[20:31] <max> language == english?
[20:31] <genii> mauri: You also cannot resize any drive which you are currently using. So it's not possible to modify partitions on /dev/sda while using a linux which booted from /dev/sda1 for instance.
[20:31] <Guest35627> okay..
[20:31] <genii> Guest35627: English in this channel, yes
[20:32] <mauri> genii: yes i know tnk
[20:32] <genii> NoobProgrammer: Advertising other unrelated channels is frowned on. Use the -offtopic channels for that, if you must
[20:32] <NoobProgrammer> ok thanks for the warning
[20:32] <Guest35627> Is a antivirus software needy for my kubuntu 9.04?
[20:34] <Guest35627> I mean required...
[20:34] <Guest35627> is it important?
[20:34] <genii> Guest35627: No. If you are sharing the files onto a Windows machine as well, then maybe
[20:35] <Guest35627> the virus-free time is over fpr linux, isnt it?
[20:35] <jamesjedimaster> no, unless you have a mail server for your network with some windows machines
[20:35] <Guest35627> okay, thanks...
[20:35] <Bou> Guest35627: not really
[20:35] <maxmuster> name chg
[20:36] <Mamarok> maxmuster: you should do this in a query or in the status window
[20:36] <maxmuster> Are there many viruses for linux?
[20:36] <Mamarok> maxmuster: almost none, compared to the amount on Windows
[20:37] <maxmuster> okay...
[20:38] <mauri> genii: fine it works....and partition manager too
[20:38] <mauri> genii: tnk again
[20:38] <genii> mauri: You're welcome
[20:49] <maxmuster> is there a version of CryptLoad available?
[21:24] <Matisse> hi
[21:24] <Matisse> is there another clipboard tool than klipper?
[21:25] <Matisse> klipper is sooo buggy and nothing happens since months...
[21:26] <Matisse> Maybe I should file a bug report, but I'm not sure, where to start searching if it already has been filed..
[22:06] <hagabaka> is there a page for searching ppas, with a link to the homepage to any ppa, instead of the "Index of ..." which I get from Google?
[22:24] <greg__> hello all, tryning to unpack "yakuake-2.9.6.tar.bz2" tar -jxvf "Get the following: "no such directory or file" whats up with that?
[22:24] <greg__> o ya i'm in the directory
[23:54] <StaszkuSkosztuj> identify Pin27011986
[23:58] <OoBatmanoO> I downloaded Kubuntu 9.04 ISO.  I opened it with WINrar to view the files, I opened wubi.exe, to see if it's a valid win32 file. Can I install kubuntu straight from windows? I don't have a dvd rom on my computer. Do i mount the ISO? Can it be installed to another drive that isn't C, because I don't have too much space in C, and will it tell the bootloader what I've done. thanks
[23:59] <OoBatmanoO> btw, i don't know if kubuntu is 64bit. does it support 4gb Ram


[11:25] <otubo> smoser, can you confirm if this bug has been addressed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1225922 I can't track anything on the commit log that could relate to this
[12:44] <rick_h> johnsonshi:  I don't think we've got anything against it. We haven't had a chance to look at the change yet but did discuss it and don't have any reason not to.
[13:30] <smoser> otubo: i sure would think that is fixed.
[13:34] <smoser> replied in the bug
[13:44] <otubo> smoser, thanks a lot! Also there was another issue that - if you have some time to spare - I'd like you to check: https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/fix/1788915-vlan-sysconfig-rendering
[13:44] <otubo> smoser, I also couldn't track on the commit log if this was merged or not. We might have an issue in RHEL that might benefit from this patch
[13:54] <paride> smoser, I think `origtargz --download-only --tar-only` could be used instead of get-orig-tarball in build-package
[13:55] <paride> it's included in devscripts
[13:55] <paride> but it's doesn't do some tricks implemented by get-orig-tarball
[13:56] <paride> like `get-orig-tarball for ...`
[13:56] <smoser> thats the first i'd seen of that.
[13:56] <smoser> a few things i like better from get-orig-tarball:
[13:57] <smoser>  doesnt need apt source lines
[13:57] <smoser> things i like in origtargz
[13:58] <smoser>  uses pristine-tar (that'd be really cool if it worked with git-ubuntu pristine-tar)
[13:58] <smoser>   that was something i wanted to add to get-orig-tarball
[13:58] <smoser>  - uses uscan (but --download-current-version isnt sufficient)
[14:04] <paride> and uscan it not guaranteed to fetch the .orig that was used for the packaging
[14:04] <paride> for example in some packages I maintain I use uscan to get notified about new upstream releases
[14:05] <paride> but then I import the upstream git tag and generate the orig tarball from my local git tree
[14:05] <paride> with gbp-buildpackage or `git deborig`
[14:09] <smoser> yeah.
[14:09] <smoser> i find it surprising/terribly-annoying that there isn't a "right way" to do this.
[14:10] <smoser> and a slew of wrong ways that will get your upload rejected
[14:15] <rharper> otubo: smoser: on that vlan-sysconfig bug;  I had someone else bring it up but I've not been able to get a reliable reproducer (I don't have a real host with bonded vlan and switches (where the bond may takes some time to come up);  in particular from a sysconfig perspective, there was some mention of use of ONPARENT=yes ;   so in the case of RHEL7.latest images which have NM only (with the sysconfig helpers)  is there
[14:15] <rharper> documentation on what should be present in the sysconfig file to do bonded vlans?    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1888315
[14:17] <smoser> otubo: wrt https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/366602 ... it just got dropped.
[14:17] <smoser> i dont have anything local more than what is there.
[14:19] <smoser> imo 'a' really isn't OK.
[14:19] <smoser> that is just slogging on an pretending stuff is happy, hiding original failures.
[14:19] <smoser> and doing something seemingly randomly different.
[14:20] <smoser> but... doing it right (b) is harder, and failing (c) probably breaks someone's idea of "working"
[14:30] <otubo> rharper, I'm not aware if there's a direction if we should use this option or not, but on the BZ[0] I have the reporter that might be willing to try the original patch from smoser. If that fixes the issue I might send a new PR with that code.
[14:30] <otubo> [0] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1861871
[14:31] <otubo> smoser, right, I'll give it a try, see if it really fixes the issue first. We'll see from there.
[14:32] <otubo> *might be willing to try, meaning, the reporter has the hardware and the environment necessary :-)
[14:36] <rharper> otubo: well, I believe it does resolve an issue; but I don't understand why;
[14:38] <rharper> The other alternative w.r.t sysconfig and cloud-init  is to emit NM output;  for example in RHEL8, right, NM is the default now;  is the sysconfig compat layer still around?  If the sysconfig files are still supported; then we should figure out why what we currently write doesn't work for bonded vlans;  it's certainly a regression between sysconfig-only setups (where this code works perfectly fine) and NM-only setups which import
[14:38] <rharper> sysconfig files.
[15:24] <smoser> well, the right behavior is to render what the system is configured for.
[15:24] <smoser> if it is NM, then render NM. if it is sysconfig, then sysconfig.
[15:53] <rharper> we don't render NM;  AFACIT NM supports reading sysconfig files;  so yes, someone can write a NM renderer for cloud-init;  even without cloud-init though, either the sysconfig file we're writing is valid or invalid; and I'd like to understand why it works without NM; but when NM imports it; it doesn't;
[16:38] <momousta> blackboxsw_, We would like to land this PR https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/529 as part of the next SRU, Can you take a look?
[16:38] <blackboxsw_> momousta: yes thanks for the piing
[16:38] <blackboxsw_> will look today
[16:38] <blackboxsw_> just got back from "vacation": )
[16:39] <blackboxsw_> momousta: I was wondering whether we want to make that filtering a bit more generic. I'll think a bit this morning and get you a concise response and/or review today
[16:54] <blackboxsw_> momousta: could you run rebase your current PR  and resolve merge conflicts please? `git fetch -i origin;  git rebase -i origin/master; git push <your_remote>`  might do it.
[16:54] <momousta> Sure
[16:54] <blackboxsw_> thanks
[16:55] <blackboxsw_> sorry about that git fetch -i origin; just git fetch origin;
[16:57] <blackboxsw_> thx
[17:55] <cut> is there any way to silence cloud-init so it doesn't print the "Created by.." message in various files in /etc/? "# Created by cloud-init on instance boot automatically, do not edit."
[18:32] <blackboxsw_> cut, not by any configuration setting. you'd have to do post-processing on those files, something like " #cloud-config\nruncmd:\n - "sed -i 's/Created by cloud-init on instance boot automatically, do not edit./Silence safety message/' /etc/<your_file_path>.
[18:33] <cut> thanks
[18:57] <minimal> Hi folks. I saw the email about the planned release of 20.3 on Thursday. I wanted to check if there's a chance to get my PR #535 into this release. I'm currently working on changes based on the last set of review comments and hope to get them committed in the next couple of hours time.
[19:00] <rharper> minimal: I'll review again
[19:01] <minimal> rharper: Thanks
[19:07] <blackboxsw_> momousta: only one significant note so far on your branch it looks like with every boot you'll end up dumping the full compressed cloud-init.log for every boot across kvp, that's going to get more and more costly the more times an azure instance is rebooted. https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/529/files#r472392050
[19:08] <momousta> blackboxsw_. I'm looking into that now. Thanks for the quick feedback.
[19:09] <blackboxsw_> I'm not sure, but you may want to think about persisting something with that byte-offset on disk somewhere in /var/lib/cloud/data/   like "azure-kvp-offset" if you ultimately want to continue to always log updated compressed cloud-init.logs per-boot
[19:09] <blackboxsw_> no prob momousta
[19:11] <rharper> minimal: I did review yesterday, did you see the comments about the ntp test-cases?
[19:25] <minimal> rharper: yes I saw your review yesterday - I'm working on the changes for it currently. Hope to have them committed shortly.
[19:27] <minimal> rharper: re: the cc_power_state_change.py re.match change I did add a note about 30mins ago to explain why I'd done that. I've since added "\s*" (zero or more whitespace) to the start and end of the regex pattern, that'll be committed shortly.
[19:32] <rharper> minimal: great;  yeah; it looks like int() eats leading +,- and any number of whitespace (or trailing);  I just commented; my preference is to not change the code even if the docs don't match since if there's a cloud-config using something that passes the current regex; I want that config to still work rather than break because we tighted it;  OTOH, I don't think there's much else that int() won't catch besides + - and spaces
[19:32] <rharper> (which it ignores anyhow;
[19:48] <minimal> rharper: well the main thing I wanted to trap was someone trying to use '2:30' to shutdown in 2.5 hours time - this is valid for shutdown command if passed as a param in that format but doesn't match the docs for cc_power_state_change
[19:51] <rharper> minimal: yeah, the exception message is nicer than the int() failure to convert
[19:51] <rharper> but we could also print the same message in the exception for int()
[19:51] <rharper> ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '+30:30'
[19:52] <rharper> nm, they'll throw the error  before
[19:53] <rharper> that logic likely needs a refactor there;   it seems to me that we should handle now, and then try int() and except ValueError on the conversion and reraise as TypeError like it currently does if if fails;
[19:55] <rharper> minimal: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hQZtDR97Ft/
[19:56] <rharper> then with your branch changes on top of that (we get to drop the regex since int() already handles what we expect
[20:05] <minimal> rharper: ok, could go with that
[20:14] <minimal> rharper: actually I'm confused :-) The code you pasted don't reflect the last commit I made a couple of days ago when I added the convert_delay function as you suggested and the if-alpine-else-others block to call convert_delay. Should I simply change the regex pattern back to the way I was and left things at that?
[20:20] <rharper> minimal: sorry, I was just demonstrating the refactor around using the int() and exception so we could drop the regex;  I meant to have that change I posted integrated on top of your change;
[20:21] <blackboxsw_> thanks again momousta I just added a few more notes, minor concerns to this branch. I'll peek at this again when you say it's ready for re-review
[20:22] <rharper> minimal: so I think you can remove the try/except in convert_delay() and instead in the main function try: convert_delay() except: raise TypeError()
[20:30] <minimal> rharper: from memory the try/except in convert_delay() is needed as for non-Alpine distros a value 'now' can be passed in and therefore returned to be used in the shutdown command
[20:33] <rharper> minimal: yes, but also only calling convert_delay() if delay != 'now'
[21:12] <blackboxsw_> merged https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/428 thanks otubo !
[21:12] <blackboxsw_> That'll be in our next upstream release 20.3
[21:14] <blackboxsw_> community notice: As falcojr announced on the mailing list we are planning on cutting upstream release 20.3 thursday (and shortly thereafter starting an Ubuntu SRU process to release to Xenial, bionic and focal).
[21:15] <blackboxsw_> community notice: if there are existing branches that folks really would like in this time-based release. please raise them here or on the mailing list
[21:16] <blackboxsw_> on our list currently are the following PRs https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/529 ~https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/428~ https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/487
[21:16] <blackboxsw_> we would like to land these branches in tip before cutting an upstream  release 20.3
[21:17] <rharper> blackboxsw_: PR #535 is hopeful for it
[21:17] <rharper> minimal and I are currently working to land this for Thursday
[21:17] <blackboxsw_> #529 has a couple of review comments to discuss/address and I think we are good there on Azure.   #428 just landed   and #487 needs a little review love
[21:18] <blackboxsw_> rharper: checking that out thanks. and will add it to the list
[21:18] <minimal> blackboxsw_: yes I'm working on the remaining issues in PR #535 as we speak
[21:19] <blackboxsw_> excellent minimal/rharper. just holler if we are stalling out on that. I think we have (side-channel) about 3 prs to land for grub fixes in debian/postinst for ubuntu/* related branches.
[21:20] <blackboxsw_> I'm off on PTO for tomorrow (OddBloke is out all week), but falcojr and I will be trying to get through any outstanding reviews that are not already being handled by rharper and or smoser too.
[21:24] <rharper> blackboxsw_: ok
[22:14] <minimal> rharper: Hitting a problem with test_handler for cc_apk_configure - multiple test fails and all I suspect is the add_patch for write_file that you suggested I add
[22:15] <minimal> I'm seeing tox errors: E       FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/ci-TestConfig.gc5tegx6/tmp/template_name-povkwjvo.tmpl'
[22:16] <minimal> which is the temporary template file write by cc_apk_configure which it is then unable to load to do the config file generation from this template
[22:25] <rharper> minimal: yeah, we write a temparary template file and then write the content sof that
[22:26] <minimal> actually multiple unrelated tests across various modules are failing with the same error
[22:26] <minimal> so somehow the changes I made in test_handler_apk_configure are failing large numbers of tests across the board
[22:27] <minimal> 137 failed
[22:27] <rharper> minimal: if you dump what you have (git diff origin/master) and paste; I can help refactor some of the unittests;
[22:32] <minimal> its a big diff for the test_handler, approx 300-odd lines
[22:33] <rharper> or push what you ahve to a branch and I'll pull from github;
[22:37] <rharper> I've got what you've pushed locally; I can work on a refactor of what I suggested on the apk stuff;
[22:37] <rharper> bbiab
[23:05] <minimal> rharper: https://gist.github.com/dermotbradley/42e6f4cb7298498f9ce9a87d44800ed3
[23:40] <rharper> minimal: ok