[00:32] <anamik> Hi, could someone help me here I am having some issues trying to install anything essentially I tried to installed Kali linux tools to my ubuntu-mate using Katoolin and after that everything went bad... also before this I had kali install which changed the bootloader now when i am trying to install ubuntu via USB nothing happens
[00:32] <anamik> im new to linux and all would really appreciate any help that I can get I searched around google already cant seem to find any fix
[01:06] <ouroumov__> hi anamik
[01:07] <ouroumov__> anamik, couple of things: the software boutique has a "fixes" section (last icon on the right) : run them.
[01:09] <ouroumov__> anamik, then, I recommend you try another USB port if you have one for your USB boot key, alternatively re-do the key, I've seen strange blacklisting behavior on machines where a stick is recognized one first time, and stops working after that
[01:40] <yaku> hi'
[01:40] <yaku> hello
[04:24] <pranav_> hey
[06:40] <DerRaiden> morning
[06:41] <alkisg> Good morning
[07:43] <ubuntu-mate> Hi
[07:43] <alkisg> Hi
[07:45] <ubuntu-mate> alkisg, are u dev
[07:45] <alkisg> Yes but not of ubuntu-mate :)
[07:45] <ouroumov_> hi ubuntu-mate
[07:46] <ubuntu-mate> hi there ouroumov
[07:46] <ubuntu-mate> im testing ubuntu mate on live right now.. first time using linux
[07:46] <ouroumov_> Cool, what version are you using? 16.04?
[07:46] <ubuntu-mate> yeah
[07:47] <ouroumov_> I just completed a bare-metal install of 17.04 on my laptop.
[07:47] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna use it as a daily driver I think.
[07:47] <ubuntu-mate> nice..
[07:48] <ubuntu-mate> linux seems nice just wish the software i use on windows could work over here
[07:48] <ouroumov_> You can have some of it working through Wine.
[07:48] <ouroumov_> What specific software are you using?
[07:49] <ubuntu-mate> metatrader 4
[07:49] <ubuntu-mate> if i could get this working in ubuntu, i might switch
[07:51] <ouroumov_> What kind of hardware are you using?
[07:51] <ouroumov_> Specifically, how much storage space do you have?
[07:52] <ubuntu-mate> its hp19.. got intel celeron 4gb ram
[07:52] <ubuntu-mate> not my main rig tho
[07:53] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, I mean your hard disk
[07:54] <ubuntu-mate> 500gb
[07:54] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, then you can maybe try for a dual-boot setup
[07:55] <ubuntu-mate> yeah that was my last option if i cant seem to get that program working
[07:55] <ubuntu-mate> im complete noob in linux but is it true that u can req devs for a specific software to be added in software rep
[07:56] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, more or less
[07:56] <ubuntu-mate> what distro are you using ouroumov?
[07:56] <ouroumov_> Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS and 17.04 Beta 2
[07:57] <ubuntu-mate> cool.. you dual boot windows or do you only use linux
[07:59] <ouroumov_> Only Linux now, but I started by dual booting 10.04 & Windows 7 a few years ago.
[07:59] <ubuntu-mate> btw, what do you think of solus budgie in comparison to ubuntu mate
[08:00] <ouroumov_> I haven't tried Solus, so I can't really say. However one of the Solus devs, ikey is contributing code to Upstream MATE & working on projects that benefit Ubuntu MATE too.
[08:01] <ubuntu-mate> yeah i heard about some collab between two
[08:01] <sixwheeledbeast> metatrader4 seems to be cross platform
[08:02] <ubuntu-mate> sixwheel.. do i need wine to use that program or can i install it directly to linux
[08:03] <sixwheeledbeast> ah reading a bit more they say cross platform but actually they recommend wine
[08:03] <sixwheeledbeast> looking at it though wine will be fine
[08:04] <ouroumov_> Yeah. You can install wine from the software boutique btw
[08:04] <ubuntu-mate> yeah ill try through wine and see if it works smoothly otherwise back to shitty win 10
[08:04] <sixwheeledbeast> also i would consider a windows vm over a dual boot
[08:05] <ubuntu-mate> oh any particular reason for that six?
[08:05] <ouroumov_> It's more secure.
[08:05] <ubuntu-mate> oh
[08:06] <sixwheeledbeast> no need to reboot for windows and if the vm dies or has a virus you can open a new vm and delete the old one
[08:07] <ouroumov_> Or restore a snapshot
[08:07] <ubuntu-mate> great idea.. ill try that
[08:08] <sixwheeledbeast> I looked at dual booting when I switched to Ubuntu many years ago. I never bothered, everything worked fine or I found Cross platform solutions to switch to
[08:08] <ubuntu-mate> do you guys game?
[08:09] <ouroumov_> I don't
[08:09] <sixwheeledbeast> a little, Steam has made a huge amount of games available for Linux now.
[08:10] <ubuntu-mate> is it true there is bit fps problem in linux with games
[08:10] <ubuntu-mate> you get high fps in games compare to playing in windows
[08:10] <ubuntu-mate> read this somewhere.. not sure how true it is though
[08:13] <sixwheeledbeast> Steam is also pushing to have Linux compatibility due to SteamOS. Never had an issue but I'm not a big gamer. There's so many variables, could be closed graphics card drivers or whatever.
[08:14] <ubuntu-mate> i see
[08:15] <ubuntu-mate> noob question but whats gdebi package installed in system tools
[08:18] <ouroumov_> I think it's a graphical application to install programs that are distributed as .deb files
[08:19] <sixwheeledbeast> https://launchpad.net/gdebi  yep
[08:20] <ubuntu-mate> so deb files are like exe files
[08:21] <ouroumov_> No
[08:22] <ouroumov_> deb files are like archives that can contain, among other files, executables.
[08:22] <ubuntu-mate> oh ok
[08:22] <sixwheeledbeast> not really. A deb is a standard way of packaging a program for Debian based systems. .exe are windows executables
[08:24] <ubuntu-mate> got you
[08:26] <ubuntu-mate> So if i wanna download any software through a website like we do in windows, can i do it or its only through software boutique
[08:27] <ubuntu-mate> btw is software boutique available in live version? im not able to find it lol
[08:28] <sixwheeledbeast> You should ideally use a package manager to install programs when starting out.
[08:29] <sixwheeledbeast> System > Admin   for Boutique
[08:30] <ubuntu-mate> got it thanks
[08:31] <ubuntu-mate> can you guys recommend any web where i can learn basic commands for linux
[08:44] <sixwheeledbeast> There's loads of information out there. Either written in magazines, in video or text online. It depends how best you like to learn.
[08:45] <sixwheeledbeast> When you say basic commands I assume you mean CLI?
[08:45] <ubuntu-mate> like installing or removing programs through terminal
[08:46] <ubuntu-mate> navigating etc
[08:47] <ubuntu-mate> also whats synpatic package manager
[08:49] <sixwheeledbeast> another package manager
[08:51] <ubuntu-mate> in software boutique, i dont see any search area to look for a particular software. is wine available in boutique?
[08:52] <sixwheeledbeast> First you need to learn how to use the shell and then how apt works which is a CLI package manager. Yes wine is in boutique, magnifying glass for search
[08:52] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, I think the best way to learn basic CLI would be by reading our forums. Especially the "Tips, Tricks & Tutorials" category and the support category.
[08:52] <alkisg> Or just install synaptic, which is a graphical package manager :D
[08:53] <ubuntu-mate> i dont see any magnifying glass in boutique
[08:53] <ouroumov_> Update your boutique
[08:54] <ouroumov_> There's a "Retrieve latest software listings" thingy on the bottom I think
[08:54] <ouroumov_> That also updates the boutique software itself
[08:54] <ubuntu-mate> ok let me update
[08:55] <ubuntu-mate> YES now i can see magnifying glass.. i have mastered linux my friends xd
[08:55] <sixwheeledbeast> debian.org/doc/ is a good place to start re learning
[08:55] <ubuntu-mate> thanks six.. ill look into it
[08:56] <ubuntu-mate> wine development builds is the full name right?
[08:58] <sixwheeledbeast> It depends how much you like reading and how much you like getting stuck in. I believe dev builds is the only one in the boutique
[08:59] <sixwheeledbeast> it's a ppa I believe
[09:02] <sixwheeledbeast> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch01.en.html seems useful to bookmark if you like docs.
[09:02] <ubuntu-mate> synaptic package manager also contains software like boutique?
[09:03] <ubuntu-mate> thankyou
[09:03] <ubuntu-mate> ill bookmart it
[09:04] <ubuntu-mate> bookmark*
[09:05] <sixwheeledbeast> package managers just list what is in repositories. Boutique is designed to help new users get started with it's own selection of ppa's/repos providing useful programs.
[09:06] <ubuntu-mate> oh ok
[09:07]  * sixwheeledbeast is off to work, bbl
[09:07] <ubuntu-mate> bye six. thanks again
[09:08] <ubuntu-mate> take care
[09:12] <ubuntu-mate> what software do i need for .tar files
[09:13] <ouroumov_> Engrampa, the archive manager, it's installed by default.
[09:13] <ouroumov_> You can just right click and go "Extract here"
[09:13] <ubuntu-mate> awesome thanks
[09:13] <ubuntu-mate> is there anything in ubuntu u cant do graphically and must use terminal for that?
[09:14] <ubuntu-mate> also, any bugs which should i know of
[09:25] <lhtd> Try and find out
[09:25] <lhtd> I haven't found any important bugs so far
[09:25] <ubuntu-mate> looks promising so far
[09:26] <lhtd> the only bug i found I cannot track it and it's linked to my job, so probably nothing major on ubuntu-mate
[09:26] <ubuntu-mate> oh... yeah everything seems to work perfectly.. i have been testing live from last couple of hours
[09:27] <lhtd> emjoy
[09:27] <lhtd> enjoy*
[09:27] <ubuntu-mate> do i need antivirus? lol
[09:27] <lhtd> nope
[09:27] <ubuntu-mate> awesome
[09:28] <ubuntu-mate> whats the shorcut key to open synapse
[09:34] <ouroumov_> CTRL+Space by default
[09:36] <ubuntu-mate> didnt work for me.. that program comes pre installed right?
[09:38] <anamik> can anyone help me with my issue here i had installed katoolin like an idiot and then tried to remove it only to find out the software changed the release information
[09:38] <anamik> i really dont know what to type in there
[09:38] <anamik> for ubuntu mate that is
[09:39] <ubuntu-mate> katoolin? what pokemon is that? xd
[09:40] <alkisg> Haha
[09:42] <ubuntu-mate> is there any good free vpn for linux?
[09:43] <ouroumov_> Depends what you mean by "free" and "vpn".
[09:43] <ouroumov_> You can freely use the OpenVPN client, and install your own VPN server as well.
[09:44] <ubuntu-mate> vpn for anonymous browsing
[09:44] <ubuntu-mate> not for severs
[09:44] <ubuntu-mate> servers*
[09:44] <ouroumov_> If you're referring to VPN services providers, then it's more or less the same as for Windows
[09:44] <anamik> ubuntu-mate, its a stupid decision was attempting to install kali tools into ubuntu-mate like an idiot
[09:44] <anamik> did not work out too well lol
[09:44] <anamik> http://askubuntu.com/questions/708836/removing-katoolin-from-ubuntu-14-04
[09:45] <anamik> here are the instructions that i followed except this is for ubuntu-desktop since i could not find any instructions for mate
[09:45] <anamik> https://paste.ofcode.org/eTysSjCMQTw3Y39vfnJEQc
[09:45] <anamik> here is the code thats on my system
[09:45] <ubuntu-mate> yeah like vpn services.. in windows some vpns are free and some charge..
[09:46] <anamik> trying to edit it but i searched online for what exactly should I put in there just cant figure it out as im new to linux
[09:46] <ubuntu-mate> so wondering if there is a free vpn client for ubuntu
[09:46] <anamik> could you help?
[09:46] <ouroumov_> ubuntu-mate, well it's the same on Linux.
[09:47] <anamik> ubuntu-mate, ouroumov_ i personally use Windscribe you may want to try it out its 10gb free and the monthly cost is very low and the speed is fast https://windscribe.com/
[09:47] <ubuntu-mate> thanks
[09:48] <anamik> ubuntu-mate, could you help out bud?
[09:48] <anamik> just need to know what to put in these files
[09:48] <anamik> since the information is wrong its upable to reinstall software center as it should
[09:48] <anamik> and also kali-linux messed up my bios
[09:48] <ubuntu-mate> anamik today is my first day using linux bro
[09:48] <ubuntu-mate> i have no idea sorry
[09:48] <anamik> oh
[09:49] <anamik> ur using 16.04 ubuntu-mate right?
[09:49] <ubuntu-mate> try asking ouroumov.. he is helping me out with my questions
[09:49] <ubuntu-mate> yea 16.04 bro
[09:50] <ouroumov_> Yeah sorry but I'm drawing a blank here. I can only recommend you try the fixes from the software boutique and reinstall if that doesn't work.
[09:50] <anamik> 2 days trying to figure out what the dam issue is seriously just rather toss my laptop out the window and stick to my mac lol
[09:50] <ubuntu-mate> lool
[09:51] <anamik> turned on startup disk creator guess what? it does not recognize its own software cuz if i load up .iso for ubuntu it cant read it
[09:52] <ouroumov_> anamik, so use dd command instead.
[09:52] <anamik> ouroumov_, would you have a moment to help out bud?
[09:52] <anamik> i did
[09:52] <anamik> 5 times
[09:52] <ubuntu-mate> anamik, what makes u stop using mac and come to linux
[09:52] <anamik> it worked and didnt work at the same time
[09:52] <ouroumov_> anamik, what command exactly did you use?
[09:53] <ouroumov_> anamik, and did you check the sha256sum of the ISO before burning?
[09:53] <anamik> dd if=... of=... bs=1M
[09:53] <anamik> dont know how to do that
[09:53] <ouroumov_> Yeah, that's not the whole command anamik
[09:53] <anamik> sha256sum
[09:53] <anamik> oh that explains it
[09:54] <ouroumov_> just type sha256sum ubuntu.iso and make sure the ISO matches what's listed on the website
[09:54] <ouroumov_> (On the downloadpage)
[09:54] <anamik> ok
[09:54] <anamik> checking
[09:54] <ouroumov_> anamik, actual full command is dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M conv=fdatasync
[09:55] <anamik> oh
[09:55] <anamik> didnt add the last part
[09:55] <anamik> is that to close out the drive?
[09:55] <ouroumov_> if you forget the conv=fdatasync part, then you have to issue the "sync" command after dd completes
[09:55] <anamik> hmm
[09:55] <ouroumov_> It's to flush the disk I/O buffer
[09:56] <anamik> gotcha let me handle this now
[09:56] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna have a smoke, ttyl
[09:56] <ubuntu-mate> thanks our.. bye
[09:57] <anamik> Downloads sha256sum ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:57] <anamik> e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855  ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:57] <anamik> is that it?
[09:58] <ubuntu-mate> anamik are you reinstalling?
[09:58] <anamik> well cant really figure out what the issue is so have no choice
[09:58] <anamik> but even with that i have an issue
[09:59] <ubuntu-mate> which issue
[09:59] <anamik> kali highjacked the bootloader thanks kali
[09:59] <ubuntu-mate> oh shit
[09:59] <anamik> and now it wont load up any bootable usb
[09:59] <ubuntu-mate> that happened to me when i installed ubuntu along with windows
[09:59] <ubuntu-mate> some grub loader messed everything
[10:00] <anamik> because my *release information is wrong and i cant find the right information i cant do software center reinstall so that i can fun grub loader fix
[10:00] <ubuntu-mate> man that sucks
[10:00] <anamik> fix*
[10:00] <anamik> yea im not a kind of person who would ask for help unless i have exhausted all other options lol 2 days im suffering on this now
[10:01] <ubuntu-mate> dont worry... u will find a solution
[10:02] <ubuntu-mate> Has anyone here tried solus budgie?
[10:02] <ubuntu-mate> looking for some insights in comparison to ubuntu
[10:03] <anamik> yea trying to figure out out
[10:04] <anamik> actually ubuntu-mate could you let me know what your system has in those files?
[10:04] <anamik> perhaps i can just use your information since you are using 16.04 anyways?
[10:05] <ubuntu-mate> which files
[10:05] <ubuntu-mate> im in live version right now
[10:05] <anamik> well 3 of them
[10:06] <anamik> hmm not sure if you would be able to access them
[10:06] <ubuntu-mate> hmm i dont see any files
[10:06] <ubuntu-mate> i can only see files of my main os
[10:06] <ubuntu-mate> which is windows
[10:06] <anamik> but need 3 files 1) /etc/*release   2) /etc/os-release  and 3) /etc/*issue
[10:07] <anamik> oh to access it all you have to do is turn out terminal
[10:07] <anamik> and type in perhaps nano /etc/*release may have to sudo it first
[10:09] <ubuntu-mate> i dont know how to use terminal as of yet
[10:09] <ubuntu-mate> whats the full command
 e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855  ubuntu-16.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso
 is that it?
[10:09] <ouroumov_> No
[10:09] <ouroumov_> It should be: 39cb4d4069dd79a9104b8c1c5d0d4a5b009779eec55fafeceafcf43c7ebcaba4
[10:09] <ouroumov_> ==> Your iso is corrupted
[10:09] <anamik> ouroumov_, oh no i did a mistake
[10:10] <anamik> 16.04 version i have was failed download i have a version 17 which is fully downloaded
[10:10] <anamik> Downloads sha256sum ubuntu-17.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:10] <anamik> 7884a0f453abb912d14474ac11b15d85a275dedc92b197968b6f6bb1be724085  ubuntu-17.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso
[10:10] <ouroumov_> That's not good either
[10:10] <anamik> hmm
[10:11] <anamik> idk whats going on then
[10:11] <ouroumov_>  410f7531b457fc6ec2d86775845a5855b96b6c0e75d63b5b8c918908299035ff is the correct hash
[10:11] <anamik> i downloaded from ubuntuy website itself
[10:11] <ouroumov_> oh wait
[10:11] <ouroumov_> but that's not the ubuntu mate release!
[10:11] <ouroumov_> That's the normal ubuntu you're using
[10:12] <anamik> yea just trying to resolve the issue whatever the OS does not matter
[10:12] <ouroumov_> lemme check the hash again
[10:14] <ouroumov_> okay... I can't find the hashes for ubuntu standard -_-
[10:14] <anamik> lol f my life
[10:14] <anamik> lol
[10:16] <ouroumov_> So screw that, please proceed to dd the iso and test if you can boot it
[10:17] <anamik> ok doing so now
[10:30] <anamik__> ouroumov_ still going
[10:30] <anamik__> takes forever at times eh? lol
[10:31] <ouroumov_> Depends on the Speed of your USB connector and your key
[10:34] <anamik__> yea its an old computer
[10:34] <anamik__> trying to setup where i use my mac for work and linux for personal coding etc
[10:35] <anamik__> idk every time i use linux i somehow become more productive its strange lol less distraction like games etc i guess
[10:50] <con> Hi all I'm new i will watch and learn
[11:00] <anamik__> ouroumov_ still around?
[11:02] <anamik__> ouroumov_ restarted, hit f9 to select boot order, selected USB and it still goes straight to the following screen - https://www.dropbox.com/s/687gg9rwlkjfndm/IMG_1250.JPG?dl=0
[11:37] <ouroumov_> anamik__, well, that's normal?
[11:47] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I have a weird issue with my bare-metal install of 17.04 Beta2, I'm not sure if the compositor or mate-panel is to blame: when I hover over an item in the task bar (standard layout - bottom), a split second before the tooltip appears there's a flash of the top-left corner of the screen. I'm using marco+compton.
[11:47] <ouroumov_> (On an intel integrated graphics)
[11:48] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ Please try Marco software compositor and let me know it is works correctly.
[11:49] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, same deal with software compositor
[11:49] <ouroumov_> trying compiz
[11:50] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, compiz not affected
[11:51] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ Just tested on my laptop with Intel integrated. I can't reproduce.
[11:51] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, marco with no compositor is not affected either
[11:59] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, I've made a screen capture, the glitch is visible once 24 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IretNifjdYc
[12:04] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, it's not limited to the taskbar, basically any panel item that triggers a tooltip shows it
[12:06] <nomic> i hate tooltips .. I disable 'tooltips'
[12:06] <nomic> on panel -- everywhere
[12:07] <nomic> all notifications .. I will not have anything 'helpfully' obscuring bits of the screen
[12:07] <nomic> with information that I know
[12:09] <ouroumov_> nomic, sure, that's what you prefer
[12:09] <ouroumov_> For new users, tooltips are useful
[12:09] <ouroumov_> It's part of system discovery
[12:11] <nomic> for new users
[13:43] <nomic> zz.z.
[14:11] <nomic> z.z.z
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhh.... you'll wake everyup up
[14:20]  * DarkPsydeLord is now awake... 0_0
[14:21] <DarkPsydeLord> ⦿_⦿
[14:56] <sixwheeledbeast> o.O
[14:58] <ouroumov_> flexiondotorg, if you've watched it I'd like to take down the video. Do you know what component is likely to be responsible for this?
[15:01] <Akuli> ouroumov_, have you tried with another gtk theme?
[15:06] <ouroumov_> Akuli, it appears to affect all themes except High Contrast Inverse
[15:06] <Akuli> is this a gtk 2 or 3 mate?
[15:06] <ouroumov_> It's 17.04 Beta 2 - GTK3
[15:07] <Akuli> do other gtk 3 tooltips have this?
[15:07] <ouroumov_> Yes, all tooltips I can see
[15:08] <Akuli> e.g. this? http://termbin.com/bto2
[15:10] <ouroumov_> Akuli, what packages do I need to install for this to work? (It's a fresh install sorry)
[15:11] <Akuli> no problem :) python3-gi and gir1.2-gtk-3.0
[15:11] <Akuli> i think
[15:12] <ouroumov_> hm, those are already installed though, any special import in the python script?
[15:12] <Akuli> you're running with python3 right?
[15:12] <ouroumov_> yeah
[15:13] <Akuli> can you pastebin the error?
[15:13] <Akuli> or just find some other program that you know is written in gtk3 and has tooltip
[15:14] <ouroumov_> http://termbin.com/oyrg
[15:14] <Akuli> from gi.repository import gtk
[15:14] <Akuli> Gtk
[15:14] <Akuli> should be
[15:15] <ouroumov_> Akuli, ok, yes I confirm this tooltip triggers it too.
[15:15] <Akuli> then it could be a mate thing or a gtk 3 thing
[15:15] <Akuli> i think pretty unlikely limited to ubuntu mate
[15:19] <flexiondotorg> ouroumov_ What video?
[15:19] <ouroumov_> I'm gonna
 flexiondotorg, I've made a screen capture, the glitch is visible once 24 seconds into the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IretNifjdYc
[15:23] <ouroumov_> brb
[15:35] <ouroumov_> back
[15:57] <flexiondotorg> I watched it.
[15:59] <flexiondotorg> Not sure what I can do until I can reproduce it,.
[22:32] <nomic> blah