[09:52] <ricotz> mamarley, thanks!, copied
[10:04] <mamarley> ricotz: Thanks!
[10:05] <mamarley> tseliot: 364.15 is now ready to test to see if it fixes the DRM KMS PRIME issue for you.  Right now the default is still off.
[10:07] <ricotz> mamarley, make really sure to use the previous packaging as base
[10:08] <ricotz> e.g. in 16.04 dkms.conf appeared again
[10:09] <tseliot> mamarley: ok, thanks, I'll let you know how that goes
[10:10] <mamarley> ricotz: Yes, I based all the 364.15 packages off of the 364.12 packages that were in the PPA.
[10:11] <mamarley> I always do it that way.
[10:11] <ricotz> debian/dkms_nvidia/dkms.conf
[10:51] <tseliot> mamarley: passing modeset=1 in /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf doesn't always seem to work
[10:52] <mamarley> tseliot: What is the way to check if it is on again?
[10:52] <tseliot> mamarley: sudo cat /sys/module/nvidia_drm/parameters/modeset
[10:53] <mamarley> Hmm, yeah, it doesn't seem to be on here either.
[10:53] <tseliot> shutting down lightdm and rmmodding/modprobing nvidia-drm work
[10:53] <tseliot> *works
[10:53] <tseliot> also the bug is fixed
[10:54] <tseliot> let me check the initramfs
[10:56] <mamarley> The nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf file is a symlink.  Perhaps that has something to do with it?
[10:59] <mamarley> I replaced the symlink with a regular file and it seems to work now.
[11:00] <tseliot> yes, that's the problem
[11:00] <mamarley> That file is managed with the alternatives system though, so I'm not sure what the real solution would be.
[11:00] <tseliot> I can customise the hook to copy the actual file
[11:01] <mamarley> Ah, OK.
[11:49] <tseliot> mamarley: ok, I have a hook that seems to do exactly what I need
[11:49] <mamarley> Great!
[11:54] <mamarley> tseliot: I am going to be either at work or away from a computer pretty much all day, so it would probably be better if you uploaded it.
[11:54] <tseliot> mamarley: sure, I will
[12:13]  * tseliot -> lunch
[12:17] <soee> mamarley: i tested new driver in some games etc. all works fine. Thanks for packaging :)
[12:34] <mamarley> No problem :)
[15:12] <tseliot> mamarley: the hook is in place, the file is not a link in the initramfs, yet modesetting is disabled
[15:12] <mamarley> Argh!
[15:14] <mamarley> Is it always disabled or does it work sometimes and fail other times?
[15:14] <ogra_> grrr !!!
[15:15] <ogra_> did someone just upload livecd-rootfs
[15:15]  * ogra_ starts over
[15:16] <tseliot> mamarley: not sure
[15:16] <ogra_> err
[15:16] <ogra_> echn
[15:17] <tseliot> ogra_: I doubt complaining in this channel will help :P
[15:17] <ogra_> haha, yeah
[15:17] <mamarley> tseliot: When I replaced nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf with a regular file, it worked on both systems I tried it on the first time.   I forgot to set modeset=1 when I rebuilt :P
[15:21] <mamarley> That would do it :p
[15:39] <tseliot> success
[15:40] <tseliot> ok, I'm going to upload then
[15:43] <tseliot> mamarley: actually, I'll do it tomorrow and get rid of the whole grub-gfxpayload thing too, since that shouldn't be needed any more


[04:31] <mup> Bug #1665104 changed: ARM64 Gigabyte server sometimes fails to enlist in CI <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665104>
[04:31] <mup> Bug #1673525 changed: Boot from SSD in AHCI mode fails <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673525>
[04:34] <mup> Bug #1665104 opened: ARM64 Gigabyte server sometimes fails to enlist in CI <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665104>
[04:34] <mup> Bug #1673525 opened: Boot from SSD in AHCI mode fails <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673525>
[04:40] <mup> Bug #1665104 changed: ARM64 Gigabyte server sometimes fails to enlist in CI <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665104>
[04:40] <mup> Bug #1673525 changed: Boot from SSD in AHCI mode fails <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1673525>
[13:35] <mup> Bug #1690466 changed: Pod manager counts all virsh pools as available disk <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690466>
[15:59] <mup> Bug #1692554 opened: doc: https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.1/en/api states "bond-mode" instead of bond_mode <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Confirmed for petermatulis> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692554>
[16:29] <mup> Bug #1692557 opened: [2.2] Menu on mobile view does not work.  <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692557>
[17:08] <xygnal> roaksoax I have a bit of a problem.  In order to force our Dell boxes to set their raid config, it reboots the system
[17:08] <xygnal> roaksoax can Comission handle a reboot or will that spoil it?
[17:26] <roaksoax> xygnal: the commission process would start all over again. So what will happen? the dell firmware will upgrade the firmware, require a reboot and that's it ? or will it do more stuff after a reboot ?
[17:26] <roaksoax> xygnal: actually, it may even mark the machine failed commissioning because it didn't receive a ping from the machine
[17:27] <xygnal> roaksoax its just reseting the raid config back to 0, so we can change it to HBA mode after that.  That forces it to reboot the OS to change the RAID settings.
[17:27] <roaksoax> ltrager: ^^ in commissioning, whilerunning a custom script, will rebooting the machine mark it as failed commissioning ?
[17:27] <ltrager> roaksoax: with 2.2 it should resume on reboot
[17:27] <xygnal> ltrager and it would just re-run the steps?
[17:27] <roaksoax> xygnal: it would, yes
[17:28] <ltrager> xygnal: it would run scripts which havnt run
[17:28] <xygnal> ltrager would my script which initiates the rboot count as completed?
[17:28] <xygnal> or be re-run?
[17:29] <ltrager> no the reboot will cause no result to be sent
[17:29] <ltrager> so it should rerun
[17:29] <xygnal> alright then
[17:29] <xygnal> i've already started coding it to check if the raid has been reset or not
[17:29] <xygnal> so it will say "nope not reset", reboots
[17:29] <xygnal> comes back around
[17:30] <xygnal> checks "ok its gone now, safe to move forward" on seccond boot
[17:32] <mup> Bug #1692607 opened: maas CLI/api interaction silently ignores bad parameters <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692607>
[17:44] <mup> Bug #1692607 changed: maas CLI/api interaction silently ignores bad parameters <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692607>
[17:53] <mup> Bug #1692607 opened: maas CLI/api interaction silently ignores bad parameters <canonical-bootstack> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692607>
[18:01] <xygnal> ltrager one quesiton - how long before comission times out?  This raid operation takes 10 minutes.
[18:02] <ltrager> xygnal: there is a heart beat with 2.2, so that shouldnt be a problem
[18:02] <xygnal> ltrager heartbeat to prod interface IP, or to OOB?  During this 10 minutes, OS wont be available.
[18:03] <ltrager> xygnal: to the rack on the metadata sevice
[18:26] <mup> Bug #1692660 opened: sudo maas createadmin creates username with 'login' prepended <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692660>
[18:56] <mup> Bug #1692660 changed: sudo maas createadmin creates username with 'login' prepended <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692660>
[20:41] <xygnal> roaksoax: ltrager:  not working like you think it would
[20:42] <xygnal> soon as the box reboots, goes into failed comission state, and powers off the box
[20:42] <xygnal> which then prevents it from even completing the raid change
[20:42] <xygnal> :/
[20:43] <roaksoax> ltrager: ^^
[20:43] <roaksoax> xygnal: yeah I think I kind of expected that, ltrager why would that not be the case? unless you define a script timeout ?
[20:44] <xygnal> if i set a sleep in the script i see it wait patiently for 5 minutes of sleep
[20:44] <xygnal> but as soon as the OS reboots from this command
[20:44] <xygnal> instantly, commission failed
[20:45] <roaksoax> yeah because the heartbeating mechanism is asking for status
[20:45] <xygnal> and there is no OS to respond :(
[20:45] <roaksoax> exactly
[20:45] <xygnal> if it did not power it off
[20:45] <xygnal> at least it would finish its activity
[20:45] <xygnal> and on second try, it would skip that part
[20:46] <xygnal> but since it powers off right away... nope
[20:46] <roaksoax> but, ltrager can confirm, there may be possible to specify a timeout for the script in question, so it doesn't immediately think it is dean
[20:46] <roaksoax> dead*
[20:46] <xygnal> ltrager let me know if I can do that, a 600 second timeout should get me past it.
[20:47] <xygnal> dont ask my why a PERC needs 10m to reset its RAID config, it just does :/
[21:35] <mup> Bug #1692723 opened: Adding RSD Pod fails if pre-composed node has remote iSCSI storage target assigned <rsd> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692723>
[21:41] <mup> Bug #1692723 changed: Adding RSD Pod fails if pre-composed node has remote iSCSI storage target assigned <rsd> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692723>
[21:47] <mup> Bug #1692723 opened: Adding RSD Pod fails if pre-composed node has remote iSCSI storage target assigned <rsd> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692723>
[21:53] <ltrager> xygnal: What should be happening is after you reboot the machine goes back into the ephemeral environment and any script which MAAS has not received a result for is run. What I suspect is happening is the reboot is taking to long.
[21:53] <ltrager> xygnal: Once commissioning/testing starts MAAS expects the heartbeat to run and allows for 10 minutes of silence. If reboot takes longer then 10 minutes it will fail
[21:53] <xygnal> it fails in 30 seconds
[21:54] <xygnal> every time
[21:56] <ltrager> hmm I wonder if the script runner is detecting the reboot as a failure for some reason
[21:56] <ltrager> xygnal: are you just running the command 'reboot'?
[21:57] <xygnal> ltrager: no but this is racadm issuing a command to the DRAC to wipe the RAID config.  It immediately power-cycles the box and boots itself into its UEFI ui and shows a progress meter for the action.  When it reaches 100% it boots back to normal.
[21:59] <xygnal> sadly srvadmin-idracadm8 and 7 both fail their post-scripts on install, so if I cannot cleanly uninstall them, any boot after that fails because of those 2 packages that failed to finish their post scripts.
[21:59] <xygnal> thinking that this step is simply going to have to happen pre-maas
[22:02] <ltrager> xygnal: In the event log does MAAS tell you why it failed?
[22:03] <xygnal> checking the maas.log
[22:05] <mup> Bug #1692723 changed: Adding RSD Pod fails if pre-composed node has remote iSCSI storage target assigned <rsd> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692723>
[22:08] <xygnal> lol
[22:08] <xygnal> region or rack would have this?
[22:09] <xygnal> reigon has 3 lines.  Status transition from READY to COMMISSIONING, Comissioning Started, Status transition from COMMISSIONING to FAILED_COMMISSIONING
[22:09] <ltrager> xygnal: On the machine page click on the events tab
[22:09] <xygnal> Node commissioning failure - 'cloudinit' running modules for final
[22:10] <xygnal> only that, begin the begining and ending messages for commission
[22:10] <xygnal> er, other than the begining and ending messages
[22:11] <xygnal> the last script to execute is my raid reset action, and the logs for that confirm it excuted and would have rebooted at that time.
[22:12] <xygnal> does cloud-init get run *after* these?
[22:12] <ltrager> xygnal: could you post the result of maas <profile> node-script-result read <system_id> current-commissioning
[22:13] <ltrager> xygnal: When the ephemeral environment boots cloud-init is given the MAAS script runner as user data which downloads, executes, and returns all commissioning and testing scripts slated to be run
[22:14] <xygnal> btw, it does not show my scripts having failed execution.
[22:14] <xygnal> 'Passed' status
[22:15] <xygnal> They have an immediately 'exit 0' after that racadm command to ensure it comes back as Passed.  Since there would be no reason for that script to execute a second time.  Its work was complete.
[22:15] <ltrager> xygnal: but the system never comes back after the reboot?
[22:16] <xygnal> ltrager system is immediately powered-off by MAAS
[22:16] <xygnal> after commission failed status
[22:16] <xygnal> there is no 'time out' waiting for it to come back
[22:16] <xygnal> it gives up right away
[22:17] <xygnal> the timestamp for starting comission and ending comission is 17:02 to 17:07
[22:17] <xygnal> when it fails, that is
[22:17] <xygnal> ltrager I am doing this as a 99- script,  should I be putting it earlier instead?
[22:18] <ltrager> xygnal: that shouldn't matter
[22:19] <xygnal> ltrager do you want it strait out of maas like that, or would you rather see my script directly on pastebin?
[22:19] <ltrager> xygnal: straight from MAAS is fine :)
[22:20] <xygnal> ltrager ah I see this is the status result.
[22:21] <xygnal> all of the tasks after my raid reset task
[22:21] <xygnal> are marked as failed
[22:21] <xygnal> but they were never run...
[22:21] <xygnal> and the timestamp for the fail on each of those items
[22:21] <xygnal> is identical
[22:21] <xygnal> like it auto-failed them all
[22:26] <xygnal> ltrager: check private message window
[22:30] <roaksoax> i think that what's happening is since the machine is rebooting mid-commissioning, a message is sent to cloud-init which then tells maas that it failed finishing doing what it needed to do
[22:30] <roaksoax> causing the machine to be marked as failed commissioning, as expected
[22:35] <ltrager> roaksoax: I think its failing when the PXE file is requested
[22:37] <ltrager> xygnal: The reboot is causing the failure as roaksoax mentioned I'm just trying to figure out why and how it can be fixed
[22:37] <xygnal> any other location I can gather data from to assist with debuggin that?
[22:39] <roaksoax> ltrager: because cloud-init is running the show in the ephemeral environment
[22:39] <roaksoax> ltrager: cloud-init captures the fact that something is breaking its own process and is trying to reboot the machine
[22:40] <roaksoax> ltrager: and cloud-init goes back and says "oh wait, I didn't finish running what I was told to run, and something is trying to reboot the machine, so since I didn't finish, I'm failing running everything I was told to"
[22:45] <roaksoax> xygnal: i have a question, your change process requires to reboot the machine. I wonder if you can simply not reboot the machine. The machine wil turn off after commissioning, and when you deploy, it will have effectively applied the changes you requested
[22:51] <xygnal> roaksoax unfortunately there does not appear to be a 'please dont reboot' for this option.
[22:52] <xygnal> and telling it to clear the config does not cause it to simply change a 1 to a 0, it boots up into its UEFI boot manager and proceeds to execute.


[12:57] <kohwj> is launchpad for open-source projects only?
[13:00]  * Fujitsu points kohwj at bug #152145, then heads to bed.
[13:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152145 in launchpad "Make clear that Launchpad is not just for free software" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152145
[13:02] <kohwj> Fujitsu: thank you!
[13:53] <Adnarim> hi
[13:53] <Adnarim> does someone here now how I can execute a command in the debian/rules file before the ./configure line?
[13:54] <Adnarim>  I tried it with command && ./configure but this didn't work
[18:06] <Adri2000> I would like to send the same comment and the same commands (subscribe and status change) to multiple bug reports. can I use edit@ and bug 1\nbug 2\nbug 3... or do I have to send the mail to 1@bugs, 2@bugs, <EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)
[18:08] <Adri2000> (bug x y z rather :))
[18:27] <geser> Adri2000: if you know some python try doing it with python-launchpad-bugs
[18:34] <Adri2000> hmm I'm afraid it would take longer for me to write a script that works than a mail :p
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #179745 in ubuntu "launchpad has no button to report fault on search page" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179745
[23:28] <yeager> anyone can help me to get contact details for the user "magne-andersson" (zirro)?
[23:29] <yeager> he has no public email address listed
[23:40] <Kmos> yeager: you need to be logged into launchpad to view e-mail's
[23:41] <Kmos> https://launchpad.net/~magne-andersson/+editemails
[23:59] <yeager> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[23:59] <yeager> i am logged in


[16:05] <jriddy> herro, i'm having a problem where upstart seems to give up respawning a process, but i need it to continue to try
[16:27] <xnox> jriddy: crank up the respawn limits?
[16:27] <xnox> jriddy: see cookbook for details.
[16:31] <jriddy> xnox: thanks
[22:09] <crankharder> having a real hard time getting upstart to recognize that this job is no longer running
[22:09] <crankharder> https://gist.github.com/crankharder/12fcad9ca638b9222c7a


[01:12] <tucemiux> Hi guys, I installed ubuntustudio  with the default ubuntustudio desktop, what is the preferred method to try KDE with ubuntu studio?
[01:14] <OvenWerks> install kubuntu
[01:14] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer | tucemiux
[01:14] <OvenWerks> then install ubuntustudio-installer
[01:15] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio.org/download describes that method.
[01:15] <tucemiux> Eickmeyer, I already have ubuntustudio
[01:15] <tucemiux> I just want to try it with KDE, I'm wondering if trying this will break my ubuntustudio
[01:16] <Eickmeyer> tucemiux: Read the page, it describes that. \
[01:16] <tucemiux> Eickmeyer, sounds good, thanks a lot !!!
[08:58] <Pritam> 8)
[10:32] <shaban238> is there any way to get rid of screen tearing? this is what imgetting from the terminal:
[10:32] <shaban238> Graphics:  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel   Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: intel resolution: 1600x900~60Hz   OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 5500 (BDW GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 20.0.4
[10:54] <zingzingy> Does anyone know if the LTS release is still on track for the 23rd?
[14:26] <bugsle_cz[m]> Hi, by any chance, doesnt someone have experience with Steinbergs UR44 mkI on ubuntu studio? Ive used it without issues with CC mode, but now only carla sees ins/outs, and nothing is going out.
[17:46] <OvenWerks> bugsle_cz[m]: I do not, however if you describe what the UR44 is and what you are trying to do with it... I may be able to help
[17:54] <bugsle_cz[m]> <OvenWerks "bugsle_cz: I do not, however if "> Thx for reply! But like ten minutes ago, after like 12th restart, it started to play out. it seems like utilities see it as without outputs or inputs, but the routing within carla started to work.
[17:54] <bugsle_cz[m]> <OvenWerks "bugsle_cz: I do not, however if "> ou and it is usb soundcard
[18:01] <StevenJayCohen> bugsle_cz: "After 12th restart" makes me think that there was something updating and once the updates had finally applied, it behaved normally. Does that sound right?
[19:50] <PLC> hi'
[19:51] <PLC> Is someone use Behringer X32 serie under UStudio ?
[21:32] <OvenWerks> PLC: yes I know of people using the X32 and X18.
[21:36] <PLC> is it fully compatble with linux Kernel ?
[21:37] <PLC> thanks for react OvenWerks ;)
[22:17] <StevenJayCohen> PLC: Best way to test is to boot his USB key and try it out before actually installing. That's what I did with my Audient id4.
[22:18] <StevenJayCohen> Sorry for the scrambled text. I hate auto correct.
[23:55] <SocratesII> Hello, everyone.


[12:52] <Tm_T> mooh
[03:00] <LjL> i'm joining ubotwo
[03:00] <LjL> ubotu has been unresponsive for 15 minutes
[03:05] <Hobbsee> %whoami
[03:06] <LjL> Hobbsee: "ubotwo whoami"
[03:06] <Hobbsee> yep, found it
[03:11] <ubotu> Hobbsee
[03:11] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:12] <LjL> ubotwo part
[03:15] <nalioth> ubo part two
[03:43] <Gallius> test me...
[03:51] <nalioth> Gallius: stand by
[03:51] <Gallius> k
[03:51] <Gallius> ...
[03:51] <Gallius> i guess im good
[03:51] <nalioth> Gallius: you are indeed.  Thanks for your patience  :)
[03:51] <Gallius> k ty
[04:51] <LongPointyStick> hi Burgwork
[04:51] <LongPointyStick> er, Burgundavia
[04:52] <Burgundavia> hey LongPointyStick or Hobbsee
[05:38] <Myrtti> good morning
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> hey
[06:03] <SportChick> wn 135
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> eeek
[06:03] <tonyyarusso> thassalotta windows
[06:03] <elkbuntu> i've seen more
[06:28] <Burgundavia> hey elkbuntu
[06:36] <SportChick> hiya elkbuntu :)
[06:37] <nalioth> hi y'all
[06:37] <Myrtti> yawn
[06:52] <Madpilot> well... I may just have spammed the living <censored> out of Planet Ubuntu - my blog was having some sort of code indigestion, and when it cleared it posted over a dozen copies of the same post...
[06:53] <nalioth> do you need klining here, before you blog takes over your irc client, Madpilot ?
[06:53] <Madpilot> not too likely, thank Dog :)
[06:55] <Burgundavia> nope
[06:56] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, nope, what?
[06:56] <Burgundavia> spamming planet
[08:09] <elkbuntu> hi Burgundavia
[08:09] <Burgundavia> hey elkbuntu
[08:09] <elkbuntu> 'sup
[08:25] <Burgundavia> not much
[09:56] <gnomefreak> the bugtracker wont let me in keeps poping up the certs. i have had of 15 already
[10:00] <Burgundavia> which one?
[10:01] <gnomefreak> using @btlogin
[10:01] <gnomefreak> im checking someone that should be banned he seemst o be in there and i want to make sure he wasnt unbanned before i ban him
[10:12] <gnomefreak> FreedomFighter<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:12] <gnomefreak> 04:11 -!-  ircname  : Supybot 0.83.1+darcs
[10:12] <gnomefreak> can i concider that a bot?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> yay, elkbuntu!
[10:16] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, hmm?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> this look promising  mzfckr<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[10:16] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: that you got announced
[10:17] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, oh, aussiechix list. yeah. the need to start working on the proposal
[10:17] <elkbuntu> next lca is going to be busybusy time. i suspect i'll end up running the ubuntu booth again, as well
[10:17] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:17] <Hobbsee> that'd be cool
[10:18] <Hobbsee> although running both at once would be...hard
[10:21] <elkbuntu> well, the miniconf goes for the first 2 days, and this year, the open day was on the second last day
[10:22] <Hobbsee> ahhh.  shouldnt be too bad then
[10:22] <Hobbsee> and you'd have help for the ubuntu one, from ubuntu-au?
[10:27] <elkbuntu> yeah
[10:27] <elkbuntu> i should have some help for the chix miniconf from other chix, but still, that leaves alot of organising
[10:27] <elkbuntu> s/for the chix/from the chix/
[11:05] <ompaul> is there some kill the l33t speak factoid
[11:05] <gnomefreak> i didnt
[11:05] <gnomefreak> !l33t
[11:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about l33t - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <Hobbsee> !u | ompaul
[11:12] <ubotu> ompaul: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:12] <Hobbsee> ompaul: killing the l33t is against the COC, i believe
[11:12] <ompaul> Hobbsee, well I would like to know what I was being asked ;-)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> ohhh...
[11:13] <Hobbsee> @unleet foo
[11:13] <Hobbsee> @help filter
[11:13] <Hobbsee> @list filter
[11:13] <ubotu> aol, binary, colorize, gnu, hebrew, hexlify, jeffk, leet, lithp, morse, outfilter, rainbow, reverse, rot13, scramble, shrink, spellit, squish, stripcolor, supa1337, undup, unhexlify, and unmorse
[11:13] <Hobbsee> @help undup
[11:13] <ubotu> (undup <text>) -- Returns <text>, with all consecutive duplicated letters removed.
[11:14] <Hobbsee> ont sure there si an unleet one, then
[11:18] <ubotu> defrysk called the ops in #kubuntu
[11:53] <gnomefreak> strange feeling -offtopic convo is only gonna end badly
[12:05] <gnomefreak> busy?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> you may see bot attck in other channels
[12:07] <gnomefreak> attack
[12:08] <gnomefreak> if any staff is around can you please *-line @AMarseille-256-1-88-4.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr
[12:08] <Hobbsee> looks suss
[12:08] <Hobbsee> !staff
[12:08] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[12:08] <jenda> Hobbsee: ?
[12:08] <ompaul> Hobbsee, ?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> i have a feling iver seen that before
[12:09] <Hobbsee> [20:08]  <gnomefreak> if any staff is around can you please *-line @AMarseille-256-1-88-4.w90-9.abo.wanadoo.fr
[12:09] <gnomefreak> ompaul: jenda k-line or something that ip
[12:09] <elkbuntu> i love it when they all use the same hostmask
[12:09] <gnomefreak> they are bots
[12:09] <gnomefreak> using same hostmask
[12:09] <ompaul> gnomefreak, where?
[12:09] <ompaul> #ubuntu?
[12:09] <elkbuntu> yeah
[12:09] <gnomefreak> i got rid of them in #ubuntu already
[12:09] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, roryy said: ubotu, beer is a nourishing drink that sustains many free software hackers.
[12:10] <elkbuntu> haha
[12:11] <Myrtti> gnomefreak: I just banned the FreedomFighter the other day
[12:16] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: it looks like he had his bot in there
[12:17] <gnomefreak> or that was a way around the ban
[12:17] <gnomefreak> either way hes ogne again :)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> gone
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Myrtti: ljl banned him a day or 2 ago also iirc
[12:19] <jenda> hmm
[12:19] <gnomefreak> or that was feistyfawn....
[12:37] <ompaul> anyone got an issue with me cleaning out some of the douglas non nick and non forwarding bans - we should recover some of that ban space
[12:38] <gnomefreak> i dont
[12:39] <ompaul> okay
[12:39] <ompaul> it is quite a list
[12:40] <ompaul> but I am here most of today tomorrow and tueday
[12:40] <ompaul> tuesday
[12:42] <ompaul> we have about three times that left
[01:01] <mc44> Hobbsee: oh no, definately a troll :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:30] <ubotu> In #ubuntu+1, zaggynl said: !zaggynl is <reply> some random guy on #ubuntu
[02:13] <ikonia> afternoon all
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:14] <ikonia> hey Hobbsee
[02:21] <ompaul> hi ikonia
[02:21] <ikonia> hey
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ikonia: good morning
[02:38] <ikonia> morning to you
[03:39] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:00] <Seveas> !no envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:00] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seveas said: !no envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:00] <Seveas> @login
[05:00] <Seveas> !no envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:00] <ubotu> I know nothing about envy yet, Seveas
[05:00] <Seveas> heh
[05:00] <Seveas> !unforget envy
[05:00] <ubotu> I suddenly remember envy again, Seveas
[05:01] <Seveas> !envy
[05:01] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. This software is NOT supported by ubuntu and you will not receive aid for it here. More at http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html See !nvidia and !nvidia9
[05:01] <Seveas> !no envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[05:01] <ubotu> I'll remember that Seveas
[05:08] <ompaul> Seveas, thanks that works :)
[05:09] <Seveas> @pity mp
[05:09] <ompaul> ahaha
[05:09] <ompaul> should I laugh?
[05:09] <ompaul> should I cry, who knows, tune in next week for another episode of irc on the internet backroads
[06:26] <Myrtti> I feel the discussion at -offtopic might be going awry
[06:27] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, to a degree. feel free to take him on. you'll have the support of all the other ops
[06:27] <elkbuntu> me however, im off to bed. night
[06:27] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: I'm not sure if I've got op flags there
[06:28] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: problem solved
[06:29] <Myrtti> 0_0 gah.
[06:33] <Myrtti> I think I'll pass...
[07:44] <Oxy-Cotton> Cam I be unbanned now please
[07:46] <PriceChild> Oxy-Cotton, the banning op is not here. Please come back another time.
[07:46] <Oxy-Cotton> "Women are like computers, you can't live without them, and you can't fix them with a hammer"
[07:46] <PriceChild> Pardon?
[07:47] <GazzaK> that's not nice
[07:47] <PriceChild> Oxy-Cotton, Please come back another time....
[07:48] <PriceChild> grrrr...
[07:52] <Flannel> Hi all, I'd like to file a complaint against PriceChild for stifling a perfectly fine -offtopic conversation.
[07:53] <Flannel> You all know how... well, most of you know how to get a hold of me, if you want to discuss it further.  Thanks.
[08:04] <ompaul> PriceChild, ^^ my review- care to comment my ban
[08:04] <PriceChild> Thanks
[08:05] <ompaul> wrt flannel you were correct
[08:06] <PriceChild> he should be thankful I'm not noticing the "downloading mp3s illegally" conversation...
[08:07] <PriceChild> although they seem to have stopped quoting torrent sites
[08:21] <poningru_> someone wanna take a look at #defocus, this kid corey is trying to pull something in #kubuntu, or atleast planning on it
[08:21] <PriceChild> poningru, thanks
[09:38] <nalioth> ompaul: don't ban him, just quiet him
[09:38] <ompaul> nalioth, now that I am not annoyed ya
[11:04] <ubotu> Aresilek called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:04] <Seveas> known offender?
[11:05] <nixternal> heh, didn't last long, PriceChild pwnd um
[11:05] <PriceChild> eeek i think he was referring to * Pycckuu ... ...........
[11:05] <PriceChild> wait no he wasn't :)
[11:07] <PriceChild> a quick pm with him...
 i thought it was there to  tell us what ops were on...
[11:07] <Seveas> bollocks
[11:08] <Seveas> not with the ':P' latr
[11:08] <PriceChild> that's what set me off


[15:06] <superm1> xnox: sorry a bit late, but I pointed the enterprise folks at it and asked them to comment if they felt they can add to the discussion
[15:06] <superm1> xnox: on the client side (where i'm at) I don't have a strong feeling one way or another
[15:11] <xnox> superm1: cool, thanks.


 oh
 it detects it as one touch (single finger)
[02:12] <hallyn> oh noes - android apps are not supported on my little nexus 4?
[02:13] <hallyn> oh well libertine is more interesting anyway
[02:34] <hallyn> hm, https://maliit.github.io/   "based on the *abandoned* ubuntu keyboard".  wonder if there are plans to move ubports to maliit2?
[02:35] <hallyn> course no updates to it in 2years
 i dunno if two isn't maintained what benefits would that have?
 Hmm some features perhaps?
 @hallyn [hm, https://maliit.github.io/   "based on the *abandoned* ubuntu keyboard".  won …], Eh? Maliit is the gnome osk too. So not sure where the confusion us here
[03:26] <hallyn> Yeah I'm just looking for a cheap way to get swype, but not finding it.  Unless I can build okboard.
 you can closer with flick?
[03:30] <hallyn> ooh, skeyer?
[03:31] <hallyn> flick?  need to google that
[03:33] <hallyn> .... i dunno, https://jollafr.org/skeyer-un-clavier-de-type-swipe-en-cours-de-developpement-pour-sailfish-osskeyer-un-clavier-de-type-swype-en-cours-de-developpement-pour-sailfish-os/   it's demo'd on ubuntu touch, but that's all i can find
 @TotalSonic [the OnePlus One works excellently with UT - it was my daily driver for many mont …], Thanks, Steven. I bought it. Hope to try it soon.
 @FinlayDaG33k [Does this only happen with 16.04 devel? because that sounds like something *migh …], I now it sounds like a worn out port, but the cable sits snugly and secure, and tbe indicator flickered even when the phone and cable were perfectly still.
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ydmY9pP0.png
 The graph is quite odd as well. From that first lowest point i started charging, and it jumped and got stuck on 38%, then the next jump is where i shut down, pulled tbe battery and rebooted. It jumped to 58% but wouldnt charge properly. It seems to drop back down to that 38% point, then decides to charge for a bit, then decides to do t
[05:27] <ubptgbot> hat weird parabolic shape and then jumps to 100% but instead of staying there, it is a bit of a jagged line.
 @YougoChats [The graph is quite odd as well. From that first lowest point i started charging, …], Perhaps the battery needs recalibration?
 This looks like an interesting tablet for potential UT support.  Are there any particular barriers towards getting UT going on a Raspberry Pi platform - or would something like this be something that UT could be viably ported onto? … https://liliputing.com/2019/08/cutiepi-is-an-open-source-raspberry-pi-based-tablet-coming-in-late-2019.
[05:46] <ubptgbot> html
 @TotalSonic [This looks like an interesting tablet for potential UT support.  Are there any p …], There is a room for Raspberry Pi, which concerns porting to that platform.  I'm not keeping an eye on it but success there would bode well for this tablet (and similar).
 @YougoChats [I now it sounds like a worn out port, but the cable sits snugly and secure, and …], Can be still a hardware issue. You might want to try to reseat the usb port module and clean the contacts etc
 Fairphone 3 is coming! Will there be support for Ubuntu touch? :))))
[07:15] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Flohack [Can be still a hardware issue. You might want to try to reseat the usb port modu …], I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb port.
 @demone011 [Fairphone 3 is coming! Will there be support for Ubuntu touch? :))))], We were surprised by them, so current state is: We dont know. Also its Android 9, for which we have no support yet in general
 @demone011 [Fairphone 3 is coming! Will there be support for Ubuntu touch? :))))], https://www.fairphone.com/en/2019/08/27/launching-fairphone-3/   … Very coming :) … (but i'm surprised like Florian)
 @John (Marlin) [I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb por …], port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean it where i can. never hurts to do that :-)
 @John (Marlin) [I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb por …], [Edit] port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean whatever can can find in the port and elswhere. never hurts to do that :-)
 @John (Marlin) [I've sometimes had to use a pin or needle to remove pocket lint from the usb por …], [Edit] port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean whatever i can find in the port and elswhere. never hurts to do that :-)
 Does anyone know which was the most recent Dekko 2 build for 15.04? And do you happen to have a click for it? I don't recall seeing onr last time I searched Telegram.
 @Flohack [We were surprised by them, so current state is: We dont know. Also its Android 9 …], I'm close getting Mir to render on 9, but may need help for properly integrating mir-android-platform changes later
 @Flohack [We were surprised by them, so current state is: We dont know. Also its Android 9 …], [Edit] I'm close to getting Mir to render on 9, but may need help for properly integrating mir-android-platform changes later
[10:37] <ubptgbot> Vincent was added by: Vincent
 Hi i have a question concerning an Aquaris M10 FHD. I bricked it while accidentally interrupting the flashing of the tablet. (I thought the installation of u Ubuntu did not happen. Very slow I guess?) … Has anyone had this before and what can I do? :’(
 @Vincent [Hi i have a question concerning an Aquaris M10 FHD. I bricked it while accidenta …], Does it show any sign of life? If you power on the device while holding Power+VolUp, do you get a boot menu?
 No nothing, no sign of life
 (Thanks for replying)
 (I’ve been looking at a bq aquaris m10 stock firmware (flash file) reinstallation package on firmwarefile.com. But I have no clue if it will work in my case. … It’s for windows so I am preparing my windows but problem installing android gadget CDC driver. It says there is no digital signature.)
 you can use Linux version of SP FlashTool to do full flash
 Hi Vincent, did you use SP flash tool to flash the old ubuntu image first? if you went straight from android to the latest UT using the ubports installer the install would fail indeed.  … you can probably use SP flash tool to flash either android or the old ubuntu image and start over.
 SP flash tool is a powerful tool though. so do be careful
 and make sure the device is well charged
 in theory it doesn't matter for flash tool as in that mode it will draw power from USB and it *should* be enough
[11:12] <ubptgbot> Jacob Dunn was added by: Jacob Dunn
[11:13] <ubptgbot> <Jacob Dunn> (Photo, 200x200) https://irc.ubports.com/SCMZC2dP.png v mjpy g
[11:13] <ubptgbot> <Jacob Dunn> (Photo, 800x491) https://irc.ubports.com/Dmgd53WO.png
 I don't get the point of those spambots, does anyone really believe it?
 @YougoChats [Hi Vincent, did you use SP flash tool to flash the old ubuntu image first? if yo …], Hi Hugo, yes i used The sp flash tool as instructed.
 you can try that again
 @YougoChats [you can try that again], It didn’t pass the “DA” (download all ?) status. A red bar. And it took very long so I disconnected to start over.. now it is dead and when retrying nothing happens.
 Also we should better move this conversation to our Welcome & install room https://t.me/WelcomePlus
 (Photo, 1000x750) https://irc.ubports.com/3472BpTr.png
 This notification father one night of waiting
 (Photo, 1000x750) https://irc.ubports.com/86T9BQ7h.png
 is it possible to disconnect battery, then try again?
 or maybe long power press
 [Edit] is it possible to disconnect battery, reconnect, then try again?
 (Can speak in Dutch, Hugo, by the way, it’s easier for me because I’m not really experienced. But I guess it’s not allowed here)
 @NotKit [is it possible to disconnect battery, reconnect, then try again?], No, it is built in. Should I open it? Would it really help? ;)
 @NotKit [or maybe long power press], No, won’t help
 when you plug the device in, how is it detected in dmesg?
 @YougoChats [Also we should better move this conversation to our Welcome & install room https …], I’m sorry missed this message
 should be something like "MediaTek preloaded"
 [Edit] should be something like "MediaTek preloader"
 Don’t know
 I’ll move the conversation
[11:45] <ubptgbot> d4rM_Official was added by: d4rM_Official
 finally got my hands on a nexus 5.. anything to keep in mind when installing ubp touch?
 @Taekky [finally got my hands on a nexus 5.. anything to keep in mind when installing ubp …], We got an installer update in progress you might want to test latest version. And fully charge your device :)
 thanks! also happy to say I became a patron. 👍 awesome work.
 @hallyn [Yeah I'm just looking for a cheap way to get swype, but not finding it.  Unless …], since swype is patented, we're not likely to get it. there was some work in a branch of ubuntu-keyboard back in the day to start on something similar, but it's incomplete and never landed.
[13:08] <hallyn> dohbee - i wonder how it's implemented in okboards then.  did they just do it ever so slightly different, or say "to hell with patents" ?
[13:09] <hallyn> There was a guy in 2015 working on an implementation for maliik, but he dropped off pretty quickly.  wonder if i can incentivice him t oshare the patches he has
 @hallyn [dohbee - i wonder how it's implemented in okboards then.  did they just do it ev …], no idea what they did. never heard of it until you just mentioned it
 @hallyn [There was a guy in 2015 working on an implementation for maliik, but he dropped …], yeah, ellio? that's the incomplete work on ubuntu-keyboard/maliit i mentioned
[13:12] <hallyn> no this was called 'skeyer'.
[13:15]  * hallyn needs to yell at kirkland
[13:16] <hallyn> now, nuance announced no more supported versions didn't they?  I wonder if they'd be open to a grant.  Might be worth emailing them.
 there are many swype-like keyboard nowadays right? I wonder how they don't violate the patent....or perhaps they're just rebranded and has official permission?
 I think glide-typing is from Google?
[13:19] <hallyn> https://www.osnews.com/story/27822/sailfish-to-get-3rd-party-swipe-keyboard-despite-patents/   they do
[13:19] <hallyn> IBM used to have the patent on swype, sold it to nuance :(  If they'd held onto it mayb eit would have been given away with some of their other liberated ones
[13:20] <hallyn> anyway, screw it - sent them a 'contact us'.  doubt i'll hear back but can't hurt
 i think nuance bought Swype for other associated technology
 anyway, when most people say "i want swype" they aren't actually talking about swype
[13:25] <hallyn> they're not?
[13:38] <MCMiic> I want messagease :-O
 so on this topic, i remember i contacted ... can't remember first name .. Sheldon maybe was last name.  He had started work on a 'swype-like' keyboard input.  I believe it has made some progress already and just needs someone to finish. Not sure if this information is helpful.
 @hallyn [they're not?], most people just mean "glide" typing in general, as pretty much every android phone has a keyboard by default which does it. Swype itself was last released in 2014 in play store, and was a paid app iirc, and taken down last year.
 @wayneoutthere [so on this topic, i remember i contacted ... can't remember first name .. Sheldo …], yes, ellio was one of the main ubuntu-keyboard developers before canonical dropped unity and phones and laid off most everyone working on it
 yeah - him! I think he made Podbird, too (yay Mike)
 I searched and I think this is the package for the project he started for this keyboard stuff: … https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/skeyer-prototype
 This is actually quite important.  My mom is unable to switch (80+ years old) because with arthritis she needs this kind of keyboard input :(
 [Edit] This is actually quite important.  My mom is unable to switch (80+ years old) from Android because with arthritis she needs this kind of keyboard input :(
[13:51] <hallyn> dohbee: i'll have to look at the other glide kbds, but basically anything that is like swype, gliding over the letters of the word, should fall under kirkland's patent (unfortunately).  when i say 'swype' i mean that, not the product.  pretty sure that was his original name, but maybe i'm wrong about that
[13:52] <hallyn> but anyway on this tiny screen hunt and peck is going to give me a headache :)
 you're welcome to finish off ellio's work :)
[14:02] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @YougoChats [port looks clean to me, but i'll take my phone apart and clean whatever i can fi …], If you're going to take it that far apart, you can clean the contacts on the ribbon cable as well. Some have said that these legacy devices have had bad wear and tear on the usb ports though, so a new port may be needed in some cases.
[14:04] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Vincent [(I’ve been looking at a bq aquaris m10 stock firmware (flash file) reinstallatio …], You have to go into Windows settings to enable unsigned drivers. I think it's in the special recovery menu, not regular settings or control panel.
 @John (Marlin) [If you're going to take it that far apart, you can clean the contacts on the rib …], It’s a Fairphone so I can take the bottom module out. I’m not going to risk breaking things by opening the modules
[14:29] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @hallyn [dohbee: i'll have to look at the other glide kbds, but basically anything that i …], Swype is a trade name. Swipe is the generic English language term. I would think that since Google ASOP and Gboard use swipe technology, the patent doesn't cover look alike products.
 @John (Marlin) [You have to go into Windows settings to enable unsigned drivers. I think it's in …], Thanks, I did that before.
 @John (Marlin) [Swype is a trade name. Swipe is the generic English language term. I would think …], pretty sure the patent covers it, but there are multiple conflicting  patents too. but anyway, we don't have it, and you can't install alternate keyboards on UT.
[14:40] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @dohbee [you're welcome to finish off ellio's work :)], This is the best pathway.
 Hello everyone. Has anyone here had problems askingthe device to forget Bluetooth connections in OTA-10? N5.
[15:04] <ubptgbot> tio_im was added by: tio_im
[15:04] <ubptgbot> <Umang Vanani> is redmi note 6 pro supported by Ubuntu touch?
 no, only https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
[15:28] <hallyn> where's the code for ellio's work?
 @anime_ted [Hello everyone. Has anyone here had problems askingthe device to forget Bluetoot …], I tried on N4 and it works. But only when Bluetooth is active..
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @hallyn [where's the code for ellio's work?], Is this the same? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard
[16:16] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Anything useful here? … https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/maliit-keyboard
 @hallyn [where's the code for ellio's work?], https://code.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/skeyer-prototype/+merge/254008
 would need to be converted to git and rebased on https://github.com/ubports/keyboard-component to start
 does anyone know how to change the hour format? i can't find the option for 24hour format
 @JonRG [does anyone know how to change the hour format? i can't find the option for 24ho …], you can only set it by changing language to a locale with 24-hour time by default, for now. see https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/863
[16:48] <gitbot> ubports issue 863 in ubuntu-touch "Date & Time Format settings independent from display language" [Enhancement, Help Wanted, Open]
 hmm, I remember there was something with changing the indicator settings too I think
 Not sure though
 it doesn't work for some reason, and would only affect the indicator anyway, so lock screen and clock would still not be 24 hr
 hmm okay, thnx
[17:05] <hallyn> dohbee - thanks , i've also been pointed at some history, looks like i dn't need to worry about the patent (which is owned by lenovo and hasn't been enforced)
[17:06] <hallyn> i'll look at finishing it
[17:06] <hallyn> but only if i can get some scripts to improve the network on this thing.  i need it to auto-rejoin the 3G network when wifi goes down
[17:07] <hallyn> don't see a gui way, so maybe i just do a while ping loop and nmcli up the broadband
 it should switch automatically, but there may be some bugs with networkmanager/ofono interaction there still
 @hallyn [don't see a gui way, so maybe i just do a while ping loop and nmcli up the broad …], if you switch airplane mode on, wait a couple seconds, and switch it back off, it should "force" a sort of reset, since it kills the radio
 hi
 I think a crucial concern with glide/swipe typing on UT is that it would conflict with the down swipe gesture of the OSK
 When the new dash going to land in dev chanel?
 @mpnegro [When the new dash going to land in dev chanel?], when the critical regressions are solved, and we've agreed to ship it in the next OTA
 ok
 thks
[17:32] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @Javacookies [I think a crucial concern with glide/swipe typing on UT is that it would conflic …], I have the same gestures on my Android keyboard and they don't conflict.
[18:49] <hallyn> is there a better terminal?  bc scrolling etc on this one is driving me mad
 no, but you're welcome to report bugs and submit PRs :)
[18:57] <hallyn> yeah i need to work on a list
[18:57] <hallyn> but i just need to get far enough that i can rely on this thing so i can get $dayjob done :)
[18:57] <hallyn> i think my 3g problem is with the sim , it just won't connect at all right now,
[18:57] <hallyn> 'nmcli con' shows 3 GSM connections...  that doesn't seem right
 curious:  has anyone tested whether Launcher Modular works correctly to replace the App Drawer in Edge?
 @dohbee [when the critical regressions are solved, and we've agreed to ship it in the nex …], wow - really going to happen in OTA-11?  We're really that close?
 @dohbee [when the critical regressions are solved, and we've agreed to ship it in the nex …], [Edit] wow - really going to happen in OTA-11?  We're really that close?  Is that for the dev channel only - or for the stable release?
 @TotalSonic [curious:  has anyone tested whether Launcher Modular works correctly to replace …], of course it doesn't, because one cannot replace the app drawer. that it 'replaces' the dash for scopes is an extremely ugly hack
 @TotalSonic [wow - really going to happen in OTA-11?  We're really that close?  Is that for t …], no, unity8 update won't be in ota 11
 @dohbee [of course it doesn't, because one cannot replace the app drawer. that it 'replac …], ok - thanks.  Was curious.  I really like many aspects of the Launcher Modular, although I am not using it as default because it is currently missing support for apps in Libertine, as well as displays "favorites" in a way I that is clumsy to m
[19:40] <ubptgbot> e.
 @dohbee [no, unity8 update won't be in ota 11], ok, thanks - so App Drawer as default is just coming to devel in OTA-11?
 favorites is what you pin to the launcher. the top apps in the scope were never "favorites"
 @TotalSonic [ok, thanks - so App Drawer as default is just coming to devel in OTA-11?], no, it will land in devel when ota 12 opens, if it is ready to land then
 @dohbee [favorites is what you pin to the launcher. the top apps in the scope were never …], "Favorites"very much exist in two ways for me in daily use on UT.
 @dohbee [no, it will land in devel when ota 12 opens, if it is ready to land then], ok - got it.
 because it's such a huge change, it needs to land at the beginning of an OTA cycle, not near the end
 so that it can get sufficient testing from people on devel/rc
 makes sense
[19:54] <hallyn> oh, i'd noticed that .  favs being separate fro mwhat's pinned to launcher.
[19:54] <hallyn> intersting
 @hallyn [oh, i'd noticed that .  favs being separate fro mwhat's pinned to launcher.], if you mean the 6-8 apps "pinned" at the top of the apps scope, they are not favorites
 (you can change the gsettings key, so that they are your favorites but the implementation of that is not to be favored apps)
[19:58] <hallyn> btw, i noticed there are some experimental launchers out there.  The current default is *not* slated to be replaced, right?  There's no concrete plans?
 @hallyn [btw, i noticed there are some experimental launchers out there.  The current def …], the dash is being replaced. none of the alternatives replace the launcher (sidebar).
 IRC can't see formatting btw
 @UniversalSuperBox [IRC can't see formatting btw], i know. it strips the markdown. but it's useful for people in TG to see it :)
[20:01] <hallyn> dash is being replaced by that thing in the appstore that says it may be the new dash?
 no
 dash is being replaced by app drawer, which is internal to unity8. it is usable on the edge channel currently. hopefully will be in devel once ota12 development opens up (ie, ota11 is released)
[20:04] <hallyn> cool.  well i'm on stable right now :)  interested to see waht it looks like
 @hallyn [cool.  well i'm on stable right now :)  interested to see waht it looks like], https://forums.ubports.com/topic/2682/new-launcher-edge-channel
[20:08] <hallyn> i should join the forums
[20:09] <hallyn> looks nice
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 @wayneoutthere [I searched and I think this is the package for the project he started for this k …], funny, that code has the entire book of The Picture of Dorian Grey in it
 https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~michael-sheldon/ubuntu-keyboard/skeyer-prototype/view/head:/plugins/en/src/the_picture_of_dorian_gray.txt
 Ughh, I cannot seem to get Dekko2 to work on my OPO, I chose to try to link my Outlook account, entered my log in details and I get to a screen that shows imap info, etc. I assumed it was all correct and tried to move forward, but it keeps going back to that screen. … Anywhere I can find how to set that up?
 that's a good question. we have a Dekko2 group, but is that the best place to do 'setup stuff'? I think maybe
 @wayneoutthere [that's a good question. we have a Dekko2 group, but is that the best place to do …], Can you send me the link?
 Dekko is 'special' so.. yeah.  we all have high hopes for Mr Dekko...
 sure
 https://t.me/DekkoApp
 @wayneoutthere [Dekko is 'special' so.. yeah.  we all have high hopes for Mr Dekko...], Thank you 👍🏻☺


[12:58] <Guest44> Hello all
[12:58] <Guest44> I'm just about to install US on a Lenovo laptop and I need some advice about creating a new partition, i.e. minimum size required, type, and which boxes to tick in the 'flags' menu
[12:58] <Guest44> TIA
[12:59] <Guest44> Partition type is showing as GPT atm
[13:23] <Guest44> anybody?


[05:17] <tritium> This laptop is ready to rock with edgy!
[05:22] <quail-laptop> this laptop is rocking with edgy
[05:23] <Solarion> this laptop is sucking, but not because of edgy.
[05:23] <tritium> Mine too, with the RC.  I'm just stating that I certify it ready for the final release :)
[05:23] <Solarion> I want the r300 driver not to suck
[05:23] <Solarion> of course, I also want a pony.  :(
[05:24] <Solarion> direct rendering: No
[05:24] <Solarion> :(
[05:34] <quail-laptop> does anyone under stand this error when i run glxinfo | grep render error = "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b"
[05:35] <quail-laptop> and the rest of the glxinfo | grep render is "direct rendering: Yes
[05:35] <quail-laptop> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20050225"
[05:56] <Fujitsu> quail-laptop: that's normal with the i810 driver, not sure why.
[05:57] <quail-laptop> Fujitsu: ok, so it basically nothing to worry about then
[09:41] <cypher1> do i have to do anything extra to get the brightness bar/control in AC/Battery tabs in the System->Preferences->Power Management


[00:07] <flan> daker, pong.
[00:08] <daker> did you saw the mockup ? http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=102416
[00:09] <flan> I did. But, as I mentioned, I think we're envisioning rather different scopes.
[00:10] <flan> I'll be taking some of your layout and formatting ideas, of course, but this isn't intended to be a public resource.
[00:10] <daker> oki
[00:10] <flan> It's just a part of the backend system for Quickshot. Most installations will only really have one or two projects.
[00:11] <daker> oki
[00:11] <flan> Your mockup will probably be really useful as a starting point for the quickshot.ubuntu-manual.org page, though.
[00:11] <flan> Since that'll feature a whole bunch of unrelated projects in a single place.
[00:12] <flan> Once we start work on allowing other groups to advertise through the bulletin-board-like system
[00:14] <flan> I like how you were using space in the mockup, though. I'll definitely try to reflect that when I start tweaking things again.
[00:14] <flan> Thanks. :)
[00:16] <daker> you are welcome
[00:49] <zkriesse> hey guys got a question
[00:49] <zkriesse> how do i make my own branch that i could push stuff up to for my own project?
[00:51] <brandonj> for you personally or for a project?
[00:52] <brandonj> either way you go to the "Code" page on Launchpad for either you, or your project and pick 'register new branch' I think
[00:53] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[00:53] <zkriesse> it's my project
[00:53] <brandonj> yeah so go to "Code" at the top
[00:53] <zkriesse> I have two pdf's but instead of changing then deleting and re-uploading the new version i'd like to be able to just push it
[00:54] <zkriesse> register a branch?
[00:54] <brandonj> i think so
[00:54] <brandonj> I've never actually done it myself though
[00:55] <zkriesse> sweet
[00:56] <brandonj> afk for a couple hours
[00:56] <zkriesse> ok now just gotta figure out how to add the file
[00:56] <zkriesse> later
[00:57] <daker> zkriesse, just create a folder
[00:57] <zkriesse> daker: where
[00:57] <zkriesse> daker: in my projects folder?
[00:58] <daker> yes
[00:58] <daker> if you want
[00:58] <daker> then $ cd /to/this/folder
[00:58] <daker> then do
[00:58] <daker> $ bzr init
[00:59] <zkriesse> ok done
[00:59] <zkriesse> i did that now what
[00:59] <daker> add your files in this folder
[01:00] <zkriesse> oh ok
[01:00] <daker> then $ bzr commit -m "type here what you have done"
[01:00] <zkriesse> ok
[01:02] <zkriesse> it said no changes to commit
[01:02] <daker> oupps
[01:02] <daker> $ bzr add
[01:03] <zkriesse> I've got two .tex files for two different pdf's
[01:03] <zkriesse> should i make two separate folders in the main folder or?
[01:04] <daker> it dependent on you
[01:04] <zkriesse> well how do i push the files up there
[01:04] <zkriesse> i did the bzr add
[01:04] <zkriesse> do i do bzr commit?
[01:04] <daker> $ bzr commit -m "type here what you have done"
[01:05] <daker> yes
[01:05] <zkriesse> and then bzr push
[01:05] <zkriesse> right?
[01:06] <daker> $ bzr push --use-existing-dir lp:your branch here
[01:07] <zkriesse> I was just going to ask what to type
[01:07] <zkriesse> lol it gave me an error
[01:07] <daker> paste here
[01:08] <zkriesse> think i got it
[01:08] <zkriesse> one sec
[01:09] <daker> it works
[01:09] <daker> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners-wiki/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod/main
[01:10] <daker> your branch is being updated
[01:10] <zkriesse> ok
[01:11] <zkriesse> it didn't update my pdf though
[01:11] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[01:11] <daker> no
[01:11] <zkriesse> i'm trying to update the Filing Wiki Bugs
[01:11] <daker> it will not update your pdfs
[01:12] <daker> you should do it your self
[01:12] <zkriesse> oh
[01:12] <zkriesse> well that's what i wanted to do
[01:12] <zkriesse> is there a way i can do that?
[01:13] <daker> you want just by updating the tex files in your branch then the pdfs will be update ?
[01:14] <zkriesse> I was hoping to
[01:14] <zkriesse> Guess not?
[01:14] <daker> i think so
[01:15] <zkriesse> cause it's not
[01:16] <daker> launchpad can't do that
[01:16] <zkriesse> ok
[01:16] <zkriesse> well i was hoping to do it like the ubuntu manual
[01:16] <zkriesse> do i have to merge the two pdf's into one first?
[01:19] <daker> really i don't know much more, you should ask godbyk or godbyk-android, he is Mr TEX :)
[01:20] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: HELP!
[01:33] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: HELP!
[01:33] <zkriesse> brandonj: ping
[01:34] <zkriesse> brandonj: wait never mind sorry
[01:52] <zkriesse> daker: ok i think i got it...just it wont let me commit the change
[01:53] <zkriesse> daker: i try and it goes
[01:53] <zkriesse> zach@zach-desktop:~/Projects/main$ bzr commit
[01:53] <zkriesse> Committing to: /home/zach/Projects/main/
[01:53] <zkriesse> aborting commit write group: PointlessCommit(No changes to commit)
[01:53] <zkriesse> bzr: ERROR: No changes to commit. Use --unchanged to commit anyhow.
[01:53] <daker> it says that you did't make any changes on your files
[01:53] <zkriesse> well i did
[01:53] <daker> what you did ?
[01:53] <zkriesse> i edited like three or four lines
[01:54] <daker> you are sure ?
[01:54] <zkriesse> yes
[01:54] <daker> ok
[01:54] <zkriesse> I know when I'm editing something
[01:54] <daker> bzr add
[01:55] <daker> then  $ bzr commit --unchanged -m "type your changes here"
[01:55] <daker> then
[01:55] <daker> $ bzr push lp:your branch here
[01:56] <daker> without the --use-existing-dir
[02:03] <daker> http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/06/18/first-made-for-torrent-drama-series-pioneer-one/
[02:14] <daker> night all
[02:24] <zkriesse> godbyk-android: u there?
[02:26] <brandonj> whats your issue, zkriesse
[02:26] <zkriesse> brandonj: it's the branch thing...the thing you couldn't help with
[02:26] <brandonj> what thing
[02:27] <zkriesse> commiting/pushing my edit(s) of my own .tex file to a branch on lp for my project to update the pdf file
[02:27] <brandonj> what didn't work
[02:28] <brandonj> or what doesn't work, I should say
[02:28] <zkriesse> It wouldn't update the pdf
[02:28] <zkriesse> it would push but not update
[02:28] <brandonj> it probably can't read changes in the pdf because it isn't plain text
[02:29] <brandonj> if you want to distribute a pdf that way you probably have to get everybody else to build it from the .tex
[02:29] <zkriesse> oh
[02:29] <zkriesse> Well i'm not going to worry about it...at least not for now..i'll just edit it when it needs editing, change it to a pdf and upload it to lp
[02:30] <brandonj> ok
[02:30] <zkriesse> thanks though
[02:30] <brandonj> no problem
[05:46] <godbyk-sagan> Okay. Have checked into the hotel and have eaten dinner. Let's see what I've missed.
[05:47] <zkriesse> godbyk-sagan: I need some help!
[05:50] <godbyk-sagan> Hey, zkriesse. What's up?
[05:50] <zkriesse> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-beginners-wiki-sod
[05:50] <zkriesse> On there I've got a pdf
[05:51] <zkriesse> I want to be able to push edits up to it like we do for the ubuntu manual
[05:51] <zkriesse> How do i set that up?
[05:52] <godbyk-sagan> zkriesse: Well, the way we do it, is I manually run a shell script I wrote that generates the PDFs and uploads them to my webserver.
[05:52] <godbyk-sagan> So it's not the best process by any metric.
[05:52] <zkriesse> oh so i cant do it then?
[05:53] <godbyk-sagan> Does Launchpad's build server let you build PDFs from LaTeX?
[05:53] <zkriesse> where is that
[05:53] <godbyk-sagan> I have no idea.
[05:53] <zkriesse> hm
[05:53] <godbyk-sagan> ubuntujenkins may know. He's the one who's created PPAs for us in the past.
[05:53] <zkriesse> ok
[05:53] <zkriesse> I'll ask him when he comes on
[05:53] <zkriesse> thanks
[05:54] <godbyk-sagan> Or poke around the Launchpad help or Google for 'launchpad build (server OR service)" or something like that.
[05:55] <godbyk-sagan> If their build server doesn't support LaTeX, you might see if Launchpad's API supports uploads.  That is, can one write a script that uploads the latest PDF you build to Launchpad and set it as the current download (and deprecate the previous downloads).
[05:55] <godbyk-sagan> Most of what we do in the Ubuntu Manual Project is hacked together. :-)
[05:56] <zkriesse> ah
[05:56] <zkriesse> ok
[05:57] <godbyk-sagan> brb
[06:04] <godbyk-sagan> Back.
[06:45] <godbyk-android> godbyk-sagan: beep
[06:49] <godbyk-android> godbyk-sagan: beep again
[06:49] <godbyk-sagan> That's better.  xchat now beeps (as opposed to playing horrid white noise).
[06:49] <godbyk-sagan> I had to tell xchat to use paplay to play the sounds.  Its auto-detection scheme must be faulty of something.
[06:54] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: urgh, i dislike xchat, i prefer irssi, the commandline irc client
[06:54] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: yeah, I haven't used irssi much yet.
[06:55] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: you should try it again, its really quick and easy to use, and you can easily log channels and query people
[06:55] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: setup autojoins and themes and everything
[06:55] <godbyk-sagan> themes? isn't it a terminal-based app? what kinds of themes are there?
[06:57] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: here: http://www.irssi.org/themes
[06:57] <nisshh> there are hundreds
[06:57] <godbyk-sagan> are they just different color schemes? or is there more to a theme than color?
[06:58] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: mostly color since its the terminal not a gui app, but also various things like right aligned nicks and different nick colors
[06:59] <nisshh> you can also load your own scripts written in pearl
[06:59] <nisshh> things that provide extra functionality and stuff
[07:00] <godbyk-sagan> gotcha.
[07:00] <nisshh> yea
[07:00] <godbyk-sagan> yeah, you can load scripts with xchat, too.
[07:00] <nisshh> also, some themes use different formatting when it comes to some of the commands and displaying things
[07:01] <nisshh> oh, you can, ok
[07:03] <godbyk-sagan> how's irssi compare to smuxi?
[07:03] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: the other benefit of irssi is that you can use it with screen
[07:03] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: never heard of smuxi
[07:04] <godbyk-sagan> Per the pkg description in Synaptic: Smuxi is an irssi-inspired, flexible, user-friendly and cross-platform IRC client for sophisticated users, targeting the GNOME desktop.
[07:04] <godbyk-sagan> Looks almost like a GUI wrapped around irssi.
[07:05] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: just looked at the features list for it and it looks like irssi with twitter support
[07:05] <nisshh> so unless you want to use twitter and irc at the same time, there is not much difference
[07:07] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: looks, alot like a gui wrapped around irssi actually
[07:07] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: do you prefer a gui or the command-line
[07:09] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: Most of what I do is on the command-line.
[07:09] <godbyk-sagan> nisshh: But if i'm using GUI-like stuff, why not use a real GUI?
[07:09] <godbyk-sagan> (e.g., tabs, windows, etc.)
[07:11] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: yea, but dont you find the terminal way more efficient?
[07:12] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: plus, now that iv used the terminal for so long i find most gui's pretty clunky
[07:13] <godbyk-sagan> I do use the command line for nearly everything.
[07:13] <godbyk-sagan> I guess it all depends on how well irsii works.
[07:13] <nisshh> like i fond that i could go and change 100 settings in the preferences for an app, or i could just start it with some commandline parameters instead
[07:13] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: well, how many channels do you normally sit in?
[07:14] <godbyk-sagan> It depends on what project(s) I'm active in at the time.
[07:15] <nisshh> right, on average?
[07:15] <godbyk-sagan> It can be anywhere from 4-10 channels.
[07:15] <nisshh> ok
[07:15] <godbyk-sagan> (I try to keep it to the lower end of that range.)
[07:15] <nisshh> does xchat have keyboard shortcuts to switch channels?
[07:16] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: also, you can do heaps of things with irssi, like log different messages and outputs to other terminals, log files, or windows
[07:17] <godbyk-sagan> I'm not sure if I can jump directly to a particular channel or not.  I usually use Ctrl+PgUp and Ctrl+PgDn to switch between them (or use the mouse.)
[07:17] <nisshh> godbyk-sagan: right
[07:17] <nisshh> in irssi, you can use alt + number to switch channels
[07:17] <nisshh> like in firefox
[07:18] <nisshh> plus, irssi has support for being able to sit in more than 20 channels at once
[07:19] <godbyk-sagan> looks like xchat supports the Alt+[number] to jump to a specific tab, too.
[07:19] <nisshh> ah ok
[07:20] <godbyk-sagan> I'd never tried it before.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> I'll give irssi a shot.  We'll see how it goes.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> I may have to pester you for help occasionally.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> (Due to my laziness.)
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> For now, I think I'm going to head to bed.
[07:21] <godbyk-sagan> I have to get up early tomorrow for this conference.
[07:22] <nisshh> ok, gnight then :)
[07:22]  * nisshh doesnt mind being pestered
[07:24] <godbyk-sagan> Cool.
[07:24] <godbyk-sagan> G'night!
[07:31] <zkriesse> hi thorwil
[07:32] <thorwil> good morning! :)
[07:32] <zkriesse> well it's 1:30 am for me
[08:53] <zkriesse> brandonj: ping
[08:57] <zkriesse> hey guys, I fixed bug https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/599084 and i committed/pushed it up to lp. when i open up the pdf of the manual though it doesn't have the updated field
[08:57] <zkriesse> am i doing something wrong?
[09:00] <zkriesse> ok...if ya guys figure it out let me know via memoserv
[09:00] <zkriesse> I need to go to bed
[09:00]  * zkriesse out
[10:05] <thorwil> http://leonardof.org/2010/06/28/using-mallard-for-general-purpose-documentation/
[10:14] <humphreybc> we need to decide on something soon
[10:18] <thorwil> humphreybc: while i intend to stay out of that decisions, i wonder if it couldn't be tackled on a by-tags basis
[10:18] <thorwil> if you know what tags (and this structure) you need, you can compare with the existing standards
[10:19] <thorwil> even going with something custom that has overlap with docbook and co, but is not identical, could be an option
[10:38] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[10:40] <thorwil> hi shrini, ubuntujenkins
[10:40] <ubuntujenkins> hey thorwil
[11:05] <humphreybc> thorwil: yes, well I'm staying out of the decision as well
[11:05] <humphreybc> I don't know enough about documentation formats to be useful
[11:05] <humphreybc> I just want us to choose something soon and get work underway :)(
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> same
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: you use pidgin for irc right?
[11:20] <humphreybc> indeed
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> I have started using it and have a few questions
[11:20] <humphreybc> fire away
[11:20] <ubuntujenkins> can you make the buddy list a chat tab?
[11:21] <ubuntujenkins> how do you tell if people are away on irc?
[11:21] <humphreybc> I don't think so
[11:21] <humphreybc> I don't think you can
[11:21]  * humphreybc having never used anything else except Pidgin, doesn't miss those features
[11:22] <ubuntujenkins> if I close all of the chat tabs, i have them set for me to stay in the irc channel. how do i open all of them again?
[11:22] <ubuntujenkins> I have 9 at least. I don't want to click each one to open them again
[11:23] <humphreybc> also, not sure
[11:23] <humphreybc> I'm only in one or two channels max at any one time :P
[11:23] <humphreybc> have you looked in the plugins?
[11:24] <ubuntujenkins> yea i use a few of them already to get the functionality of xchat. I would like everything working out of the me menu you see
[11:25] <ubuntujenkins> I will see if i can find any more
[11:25] <humphreybc> ah
[11:25] <humphreybc> yes
[11:26] <ubuntujenkins> really the irc away one is the most important missing feature.
[11:26] <humphreybc> yes
[11:26] <humphreybc> that would be handy
[11:35] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: i doubt all the hassle of not using xchat (or perhaps irssi if you want a client running on a server) is worth it
[11:36] <humphreybc> yes
[11:36] <humphreybc> and it's way prettier
[11:36] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: we will have to see, I only have one thing left to find the away thing. I don't have a sever to run irc on :(
[11:37] <humphreybc> especially if you use the new elementary icon theme for it
[11:37] <ubuntujenkins> it is shiney, already use that theme
[11:48] <humphreybc> daker: The site is nearing completion :)
[11:48] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png
[11:49] <humphreybc> just working on the pictograms for the nav bar and other places around the site with the design team
[11:50] <daker> great!!!
[11:51] <humphreybc> I also have a Quickshot site almost finished for you to start work on in the meantime, if you want
[11:51] <humphreybc> It's only three pages
[11:51] <daker> oki
[11:51] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: what does it look like?
[11:53] <humphreybc> you haven't seen it yet, have you?
[11:53] <daker> me no :)
[11:53] <ubuntujenkins> i might have done
[11:53] <humphreybc> give me a sec
[11:54] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/quickshot-pngs.zip
[11:54] <humphreybc> It needs a bit of fine tuning re: colours and icons
[11:55] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3
[11:59] <daker> nice humphreybc
[11:59] <humphreybc> daker: thanks. I'll touch some things up, make any changes that the Quickshot guys want and then flick you over the PSD.
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: we need to set up an e-mail in which people can contact is or point that link to the launchpad answer system. only members of the quickshot team can mail that list
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: the colours are gowing on ome
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> 8me
[12:00] <ubuntujenkins> *me
[12:01] <humphreybc> What I'm going to do is actually use some contact forms, instead of email addresses
[12:01] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: gray, orange and aqua?
[12:01] <ubuntujenkins> yea, was not a fan of it at first
[12:01] <humphreybc> It's a beautiful colour scheme :)
[12:01] <humphreybc> I actually wanted to make the Quickshot site darker, but it didn't really work
[12:02] <humphreybc> I'd like to get lots of animations in there
[12:02] <humphreybc> basically, when you change page, the left hand side of the content area will fade in and out, but everything else including the nav bar, image on the right (that *could* fade too) and the footer will stay constant.
[12:02] <ubuntujenkins> can we get the contact form to mail to several people?
[12:02] <humphreybc> Same for the UMP website. daker will have to use some javascript magic
[12:02] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: yep, easy
[12:02] <ubuntujenkins> I guessed it would be
[12:12] <daker> ubuntujenkins, yes we can
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> I might see if i can make my e-mail auto forward the contact form ones to the mailing list
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> should be easy to do
[12:14] <c7p> daker, there are some parts of the website that need translation and there are no strings for them on lp. Could you do something for it ?
[12:15] <daker> c7p, everything we be fine in the 0.3 version
[12:15] <daker> will*
[12:15] <c7p> daker, ok thx
[12:15] <daker> i have just stared working on
[12:15] <c7p> ok
[12:16] <c7p> I think it will take some time
[12:17] <daker> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/0.3
[12:17] <c7p> Could you add only one string the "We're sorry, but the language you have selected ..." paragraph to lp ?
[12:18] <daker> i'll fix those strings
[12:18] <c7p> ok thx :)
[13:25] <ubuntujenkins> the quickshot ui is getting there hopefully some more screenshots soon
[13:25] <daker> humphreybc, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/lucidtimeline.jpg nice :)
[13:35] <humphreybc> heh
[13:35] <humphreybc> Are you browsing through files?
[13:37] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png
[13:48] <humphreybc> daker: what do you think?
[13:49] <daker> humphreybc, yes :)
[13:49] <daker> nice
[14:00] <humphreybc> daker: did you see the quickshot site?
[14:00] <daker> yes
[14:00] <humphreybc> Do you want me to send you the PSD for that so you can start?
[14:01] <daker> one question, where is the QS logo ?
[14:02] <humphreybc> they're getting a new one
[14:02] <humphreybc> if thorwil or vish get around to designing one
[14:02] <humphreybc> I might have a play later on
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> the current one is in lp:quickshot in the media file
[14:02] <humphreybc> but I'll put that in once we get one
[14:02] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: yeah, the current one sucks
[14:02] <ubuntujenkins> It could do with changing but we cna use that as a place hoder for now
[14:03] <humphreybc> I'll make a better one
[14:03] <ubuntujenkins> I keep trying to think of ideas but nothing good yet
[14:03] <humphreybc> yeah
[14:07] <humphreybc> so ubuntujenkins, feedback on the Quickshot site please
[14:07] <humphreybc> you're the Quickshot team leader
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> I would say flan and i are joint leaders but thats not relevent
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> we need a few more pages, how to use quickshot for your project
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> help page
[14:10] <humphreybc> hm
[14:10] <humphreybc> okay
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> The words Home Install Get Involved anc Contact should be spelt with a captital at the start
[14:10] <humphreybc> awwh
[14:11] <humphreybc> don't pull the capital card
[14:11] <humphreybc> they're lowercase for a reason :)
[14:11] <ubuntujenkins> :P filing bugs what we want from a bug report page
[14:11] <ubuntujenkins> why?
[14:11] <humphreybc> because it looks cool
[14:12] <humphreybc> the project is badass and badass projects have their menus in lowercase
[14:12] <ubuntujenkins> right
[14:12] <ubuntujenkins> otherwise thats all i can think off
[14:13] <ubuntujenkins> at the moment anyway
[14:17] <ubuntujenkins> still a bit unsure on the colours
[14:25] <daker> youtube with the vuvuzela button
[14:25] <daker> \o/
[14:29] <daker> http://mashable.com/2010/06/24/youtube-vuvuzela-button/
[14:53] <daker> humphreybc, we were discussing last time about a forum
 guys!!! do you think we should install a forum for the project ? forum.ubuntu-manual.org ?
 yes for sure
 or the ML is enough ?
[14:53] <daker> * dutchie dislikes fora
 well it helps very much, you don't have to search through the whole mess of messages to find some useful info, everything is categorized
 some people like them
 not for me
 c7p, +1
 on the forum we can have different sections for translators, editors, developers future plans etc ;)
 subsections too
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> I suggested the additon of a docs section to the current ubuntu forums
[14:59] <humphreybc> hmm
[14:59] <humphreybc> I could ask for a sub forum on ubuntuforums.org
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> I did also point out that we don't have much mailing list traffic at the moment
[15:00] <humphreybc> I don't think we need our own forum
[15:00] <humphreybc> we don't really even need our own planet
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> I like the idea but agree that it is probably not needed yet
[15:08] <daker> oki
[15:12] <daker> humphreybc, oki send me the psd
[15:12] <humphreybc> daker: okay
[15:23] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I am doing a choose a project page for quickshot what boxes do you think i can add? Its currently very boring http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/91516/quickshot_015_TxvC7Z.png
[15:26] <ubuntujenkins> apart form an import file button
[15:28] <daker> it would be great if you an do the project listing like GC do it
[15:28] <flan> GC?
[15:28] <daker> a treeview i think instead of a listview
[15:28] <daker> Ground Control
[15:29] <ubuntujenkins> I will install gc and look at how it does it
[15:29] <flan> Yeah, that could be helpful.
[15:30] <flan> Remember that we need multiple entry points, though. (Just in case this screen isn't currently intended to be shown after the user clicks some sort of "What projects need my help?" button)
[15:32] <ubuntujenkins> this screen will also come up in a prefences menu of some form
[15:32] <flan> What would it be doing there?
[15:33] <ubuntujenkins> I thought you said you wanted it there .  I don't recal why
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> what do you mean by "multiple entry points"? it will appear  after a what project needs help button
[15:36] <humphreybc> vish: ping
[15:37] <flan> The user has to be able to launch a session by choosing a recently opened project (~/.quickshot/recent_projects), a local .qsproj file, a URL, or the bulletin board service.
[15:38] <flan> I don't recall anything about a preferences menu being related to project-selection, unless we were to use it to apply filters.
[15:39] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44939107/bug_GC1.6.png
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> well each project will be allowed to specify the user account name so recent projects will only work if projects choose the same user name
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> we could add a remove user fearute
[15:40] <flan> This is based on the notion of requiring all users to create an account with the name 'quickshot', right?
[15:40] <flan> Is that really necessary?
[15:41] <flan> It may be for UMP, but I can't see every project needing that.
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> daker: yea that could use that it might take up to much screen space as people may be seeing on small resolutions
[15:41] <flan> A separate user should be strongly recommended, since the commands to be run are supplied by an external party, but most projects won't likely need to care if the user account is consistently named or not.
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> flan: i think the default user name would be quickshot but it should be an option for the user name to be sepcified some where.
[15:42] <daker> ubuntujenkins, you can add icons ?
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> flan: I suppose some projects will not need to switch users
[15:43] <flan> I'd imagine that most projects wouldn't. My argument is for including that feature in the UMP-specific patches we'll be maintaining.
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> daker: may be, I am think about another idea that has come into my mind
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> I woudl rather we did one release and had a way of sepecifiying in the qsproject file what happens for each file
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> f*each project
[15:45] <flan> I've never seen that work well in a long-lived project.
[15:46] <flan> Managing one release that meets everyone's needs, I mean.
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> well surely all it needs is a "make user account" option in the qsproject file. and possibly "a switch to new user" option. how ever you are more experienced
[15:48] <flan> We could set a version-level flag that checks to make sure the user has a specific username/display name, but we'll need to be really careful to avoid including anything that might change the direction of development or unnecessarily bloat the core codebase.
[15:48] <flan> If the name doesn't match and there's no local UID that qualifies, then prompt the user to create the new account.
[15:50] <flan> I'll add 'user_name' and 'real_name' fields to the server's database schema at lunch.
[15:51] <flan> They'll default to null and need to be set individually, at the project version level.
[15:51] <flan> Null in either case means "I don't care about this attribute".
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> "If the name doesn't match and there's no local UID that qualifies, then prompt the user to create the new account." is what we do already. If the manual guys get around to this persona stuff i think we will probably have to do some patches to include that in a custom build
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[15:52] <vish> humphreybc: pong
[15:52] <flan> If they do persona stuff, they could just use this and create a series of parallel versions.
[15:52] <flan> 10-04-marcia and 10-04-john, which work alongside the generic 10-04 for screenshots that don't need to reflect personas.
[15:53] <humphreybc> vish: Change nautilus into tree view using Control + 2, and then try to create a folder
[15:53] <ubuntujenkins> the persona stuff also includes mp3 files and odt and other random files
[15:53] <vish> humphreybc: you mean list view?
[15:54] <vish> humphreybc: yeah , you cant
[15:54] <vish> humphreybc: there is a longstanding bug for that :)
[15:54] <daker> hhhh
[15:55] <vish> humphreybc: Bug 51043
[15:55] <vish> huh , not bot :/
[15:55] <vish> no*
[15:55] <vish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/51043
[15:56]  * ubuntujenkins nudges dutchie that manualbot is not here
[15:56] <daker> he is on holidays :p
[15:57] <vish> MootBot is really moot! ;p
[16:02] <humphreybc> vish: is it nominated as a papercut?
[16:03] <vish> humphreybc: if you see the bug , it is marked as a "confirmed" papercut , but fixing it is not really simple.. it needs fixing in gtk and what not
[16:04] <humphreybc> okay
[16:04] <daker> it should gives you more space at bottom
[16:04] <daker> i can create a folder :)
[16:04] <vish> the way it is done in OSX is the best though ;)
[16:05] <daker> vish, are you using OSX to design stuff ?
[16:06] <vish> area other than the text+icon  is treated as background allowing us to create the new folder or use context menu for the particular folder
[16:07] <vish> daker: lol no! , i read that it was how it works in OSX   :D
[16:08]  * vish planning on installing OSx86 on an alternate partition
[16:10] <daker> so you are using inkscape :)
[16:11] <vish> yup
[16:12] <daker> nice
[16:49] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/planet-ump.png
[16:50] <daker> nice
[16:53] <nisshh> humphreybc: that is a kick-ass planet design!
[16:54] <humphreybc> :)
[16:54] <humphreybc> one sec
[16:54] <humphreybc> refresh it
[16:55] <humphreybc> so now the pictograms up the top are in the same order as the menu on the main site
[16:55] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png
[16:55] <humphreybc> so on the planet, they'll *mainly* be there for eye candy - but if you want, you can click on one of them and it will take you to the respective page on the main site
[16:55] <humphreybc> because they're not very discoverable, there's the navigation menu with five main links to the right of that
[16:56] <nisshh> cool
[16:56]  * nisshh checks his blogs stats on wordpress
[16:57] <daker> nisshh, vish why you are not doing web design ?
[16:57] <nisshh> daker: on the new website?
[16:57] <daker> in general
[16:58] <nisshh> because, one, i suck at creating mockups, humphreybc makes my design skills look shit
[16:58] <humphreybc> lol
[16:58] <daker> \o/
[16:58] <humphreybc> design is really easy, there are only three things you have to learn
[16:59] <humphreybc> 1) Grids
[16:59] <humphreybc> 2) Effective use of white space
[16:59] <nisshh> oh, here we go....
[16:59] <humphreybc> and 3) How to have a nazi like attention to detail
[16:59] <nisshh> hehe, thanks for the tips
[16:59] <nisshh> i do actually have a good attention to detail
[17:00] <nisshh> but my GIMP/inkscape skills have never been up to par
[17:00] <nisshh> HOLY CRAP!!!
[17:00] <nisshh> over the weekend i had almost 1400 hits on my blog :)
[17:01] <nisshh> thats more than iv had in over 4 months
[17:02] <nisshh> daker: plus, i mainly focus on my python coding skills and such
[17:03] <nisshh> daker, humphreybc: if you want me to help out with the website, i will, its just it seemed to be going ok, so i took a break to work on some of my projects
[17:04] <humphreybc> refresh the planet one
[17:04] <humphreybc> it looks better now
[17:05] <humphreybc> nisshh: nah that's no problem
[17:05] <humphreybc> I'm having fun designing stuff :)
[17:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: ok, sure thing
[17:14] <humphreybc> so daker, we're gonna get some animation going on our site
[17:15] <humphreybc> for example, if someone was going from the planet (http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/planet-ump.png) to the main page (http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-index.png) and they clicked on the link on the planet called "Website" on the top right
[17:15] <humphreybc> the orange icons would slide along to fill up the whole bar, as the blue links on the planet disappear, and the content fades in
[17:16] <humphreybc> you can imagine the transition if you just switch between those two mockups in a browser :)
[17:16] <humphreybc> of course, it's not hugely important that the site has animations - but it would be nice :D
[17:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: your acting like a macboy, we dont need SHINYNESS!
[17:18] <nisshh> :)\
[17:18] <humphreybc> yes we do :)
[17:19] <nisshh> no, we dont...
[17:19]  * nisshh shakes fist at humphreybc
[17:19] <vish> humphreybc: looks like thorwil wasnt here to listen to some of your designing wisdom :p
[17:20] <humphreybc> hah
[17:20] <humphreybc> too bad
[17:20] <humphreybc> I can tell him later :)
[17:20] <nisshh> vish: i think i need it more than thorwil anyway :)
[17:21] <humphreybc> so vish, we need some more Ubuntu pictograms
[17:21] <humphreybc> for a couple of our links
[17:22] <humphreybc> "About Us" and "Contributors"
[17:22] <humphreybc> the ones I have on the site currently are just placeholders
[17:22] <humphreybc> I'll send you some stuff
[17:22] <vish> cool!
[17:24] <humphreybc> okay, email sent
[17:47] <daker> sent to me ?
[17:49] <humphreybc> nope, to vish lol
[17:49] <daker> \o/
[17:49] <humphreybc> I can send you the planet one
[17:50] <humphreybc> let me tidy it up a bit
[17:50] <daker> oki
[17:55] <humphreybc> vish: Just asked Dom, he's gone home now though
[17:55] <vish> humphreybc: no hurry here ;)
[17:55] <humphreybc> daker: sent :)
[17:56] <daker> oki i'll start woking on
[17:56] <humphreybc> yay!
[18:02] <daker> where are the planet's files ?
[18:05] <daker> i can't find them on the branch :s
[18:06] <daker> that's ok i found them
[18:17] <zkriesse> hey guys, I fixed bug https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/599084 and i committed/pushed it up to lp. when i open up the pdf of the manual though it doesn't have the updated field
[18:17] <zkriesse> am i doing something wrong?
[18:18] <daker> zkriesse, have you compiled the pdf ?
[18:18] <zkriesse> you mean make?
[18:18] <zkriesse> make clean; make ? yes i did that
[18:22] <daker_> zkriesse, ?
[18:22] <daker_> zkriesse, have you compiled the pdf ?
[18:22] <zkriesse> daker: ok what command is that
[18:23] <daker> should ask ubuntujenkins :)
[18:23] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: hey got a question. again
[18:23] <daker> ubuntujenkins, show zkriesse how to compile the manual pdf
[18:23] <daker> brb
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> zkriesse: sure what langauga do you want to do it for?
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> and which edittion
[18:24] <zkriesse> e2 en us
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> have you got latex installed?
[18:25] <zkriesse> but when downloading it from the lp page it doesn't show the fix
[18:25] <zkriesse> ubuntujenkins: I do indeed...i pushed two fixes up last night but after i downloaded the pdf from lp it didn't list the change
[18:25] <ubuntujenkins> as in the pdf on here https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[18:26] <zkriesse> yes
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> that does not get updated untill release
[18:26] <zkriesse> oh
[18:26] <zkriesse> stupid me
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> you need to run "make" in the folder to see your changes
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> no worries
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> you will need to install latex
[18:26] <zkriesse> ah i have latex installed
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> you should run make before pushing to avoid latex errors
[18:27] <zkriesse> i do
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool which branch are you doing them on?
[18:27] <zkriesse> make clean; make
[18:27] <zkriesse> lucid e2
[18:28] <ubuntujenkins> cool, my bad I was in the wrong folder
[18:28] <zkriesse> heh
[18:28] <zkriesse> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/599084
[18:28] <zkriesse> that was my last fix
[18:29] <zkriesse> now to compile and see the manual in pdf form
[18:29] <zkriesse> forgot that comm
[18:29] <ubuntujenkins> yea so the only way to see the latest version is to view it your self
[18:29] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk / godbyk-android ping
[18:31] <zkriesse> isn't it make ubuntu-manual-en_US.pdf ?
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> no just make
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> en_US is default
[18:34] <zkriesse> ok and where does it compile it to?
[18:34] <zkriesse> or is the change in the tex file
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> the folder you are in
[18:34] <ubuntujenkins> you can do make show
[18:35] <zkriesse> ah thanks
[18:35] <ubuntujenkins> np, be back in 20mins
[19:02]  * dutchie is going on holiday tomorrow!
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o.
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> have fun
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> can you put manual bot back please
[19:12] <dutchie> oh yeah
[19:12] <dutchie> dunno where it went
[19:12] <dutchie> it's only Abergavenny anyway :
[19:12] <dutchie> )
[19:12] <ubuntujenkins> I like brecon
[19:13] <dutchie> week of debauchery to celebrate exams finishing: )
[19:13] <dutchie> oh dear oh dear :(
[19:13] <dutchie> hmm
[19:13]  * daker doesn't finished yet
[19:27] <daker> vish, inkscape is good to slice psd file ?
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> daker: I find they open in gimp iirc
[19:28] <vish> daker: yeah , you can use gimp
[19:28] <daker> photoshop is very easy than gimp
[20:03] <daker> dutchie, ping
[20:04] <daker> GOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL
[20:08] <daker> GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[20:08] <daker> GOAL GOAAAALLLLLLLL
[20:08] <ubuntujenkins> who are you watching?
[20:08] <daker> and 2-0 for BRA
[20:31] <c7p> who created the quickshot live-cd ?
[20:31]  * ubuntujenkins i might have done it depends why you ask :P
[20:32] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: why do you ask?
[20:33] <c7p> because I have installed the distro to a friends of mine pc ... and many packages are missing
[20:34] <c7p> what i want to learn is which packages should I install on system so it can have sound
[20:34] <c7p> what*
[20:34] <ubuntujenkins> yea I removed loads, there sould be a  note where you downloaded it saying don't use it as an  install cd. I THINK installing ubuntu-desktop *should* fix it
[20:36] <ubuntujenkins> I removed some very serious bits tbh i would get a cd from ubuntu.com
[20:37] <ubuntujenkins> we only kept the stuff we had to to make it function
[20:37] <c7p> yes I can understand it's for the job of project not for home using
[20:38] <c7p> ah by the way
[20:38] <c7p> whouldn't be nice to create a Ubuntu Manuals Contributor DVD with all the latex packages, quichshot, etc. ?
[20:39] <ubuntujenkins> hmm its possible relitvley easy but there is a bug with the packages that we are trying to fix
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> nothing major as far as checking translated versions etc but it does mean that I can't build final versions
[20:42] <c7p> by packages you mean official packages downloaded with the script or the packages on repo ?
[20:42] <ubuntujenkins> I mean the latex ppa i made
[20:43] <c7p> yap that i was meaning by repo :)
[20:43] <ubuntujenkins> o i see.
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> kevin is looking into it and so am i
[20:45] <daker> GOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL
[20:45] <daker> GOAL GOAAAALLLLLLLL
[20:45] <daker> 3 - 0 for BRA
[20:50] <c7p> g night
[20:50] <ubuntujenkins> night c7p
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk / godbyk-android ping
[21:37] <godbyk-android> ubuntujenkins:  pong
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: what can i do to help the german manual progress?
[21:39] <godbyk-android> I don't recall where we left off on the German one.
[21:39] <godbyk-android> Did he get all of the extra translated stuff in there?
[21:40] <godbyk-android> (like the copyright page, colophon, etc.?)
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> not a clue the last e-mail said he had now added the .tex file and that hypernation was alrigt I am just looking for the e-mail with the translations in
[21:41] <godbyk-android> The translation asks be in the repository.
[21:41] <godbyk-android> asks -> should
[21:42] <godbyk-android> ( stupid phone auto complete)
[21:43] <ubuntujenkins> we have some words translated in an e-mail sent on 18/6/2010 or 6/18/2010 which ever side of the water you are
[21:44] <ubuntujenkins> I can't build the final version as i have this crazy bug
[21:45] <godbyk-android> I think we need the following words translated for the psfbookmark commands:
[21:45] <godbyk-android> Colophon
[21:45] <godbyk-android> Title page
[21:45] <godbyk-android> (maybe some others)
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> ok i will check for those as they are not japanese. has the extra text for the copyright page been done?
[21:47] <godbyk-android> I don't recall seeing it
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> where is the english version of it?
[21:47] <godbyk-android> In the lucid-2w repository, I think.
[21:48] <godbyk-android> formatter/copyright.tex
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> lucid-2w means lucid-2e ?
[21:50] <godbyk-android> er, yeah
[21:50] <godbyk-android> Sorry
[21:50] <godbyk-android> Fat fingers + tiny onscreen keyboard
[21:51] <ubuntujenkins> what is the extra text say aproximatly? I don't want to paste it all here
[21:52] <godbyk-android> It has a version for print and a version for screen
[21:52] <godbyk-android> The screen version links to the lulu page for a hardcopy
[21:53] <godbyk-android> The print version links to the ubuntu manual website
[21:54] <godbyk-android> If they had more AC outlets in this room it's make my life easier.
[21:54] <godbyk-android> (the career on my laptop doesn't last very long anymore.)
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> is it all of that file or jsut one paragraph?
[21:55] <godbyk-android> The whole file.
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> o right thats ok i don't see the word screen in it and neither does cntrl+f
[21:55]  * dutchie wonders what daker wanted
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: is manualbot dead then?
[21:56] <ubuntujenkins> right i will ak for the extra words and that file to be translated
[21:56] <dutchie> manualbot doesn't want to connect
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: I don't see the funny letters when i do german
[21:57] <dutchie> though it does seem to be running
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> o i lied there is 3 of them
[21:57] <godbyk-android> Okay check our the lucid-e1-en repository instead.
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: hmm kill it and restart?
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: what is index in german?
[21:58] <dutchie> miles ahead of you :)
[21:58] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no idea
[21:58] <dutchie> WARNING 2010-06-28T20:58:13 Error connecting to irc.freenode.net:6667: timeout: timed out
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> try using 8001 as the port?
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> index in english is the same as german aparently
[21:59] <dutchie> doubt that will help to be honest
[21:59] <dutchie> no, it hasn't
[21:59] <godbyk-android> ubuntujenkins:  shouldn't be
[22:00] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: thats what google translate says
[22:00] <dutchie> i do have german dictionaries upstairs
[22:02] <godbyk-android> Oh, you  mean the word "index" not the index itself.
[22:03] <ubuntujenkins> yea
[22:03] <dutchie> ask #ubuntu-de?
[22:04] <godbyk-android> Or thorwil.
[22:05] <dutchie> he's not around though
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> he is not here
[22:05] <dutchie> godbyk-android: how is the train trip going?
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> we appear not to have translated Creative Commons Notice
[22:06]  * dutchie will be stuck in the back of beyond (aka Wales) from tomorrow evening until Thursday
[22:06] <dutchie> there is not even a landline
[22:07] <godbyk-android> Train trip  is over. During in the conference now.
[22:07] <godbyk-android> Someone's talking about using tex in his studies of chinese
[22:07] <dutchie> everybody's going away now
[22:07] <dutchie> heh
[22:09] <godbyk-android> We're all gonna have a lot of work to so when we all get back next week. :-)
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk-android: I don't think any of the Define translated macros are translated in the um-greman.clo file
[22:11] <ubuntujenkins> at least in comparison with the greek one
[22:11] <godbyk-android> Which macros should be translated?
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> I also have no german 8.tex file
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> I am going to get a new branch to be sure
[22:14] <godbyk-android> ubuntu-manual-de.tex
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> yea thats what i ment
[22:18] <ubuntujenkins> I have it now, I will send an e-mail in the morning,
[22:20] <godbyk-android> 'kay.
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> strange this time there were no funny letters but in the greek one there still are funny letters
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> right night all
[22:38] <brandonj> successful GRE is successful


[20:35] <ahoneybun> we had a very nice Ubuntu Hour mhall119
[21:01] <Garheade> jck77: it's actually not that suprising.
[21:28] <ahoneybun> Garheade: release party next week