[07:05] <Spiderixius> Hello
[08:10] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:30] <Spiderixius> Morning Lordie
[09:32] <lordievader> Hey Spiderixius
[11:01] <Spiderixius>  I have to add, Fishshell is darn good!
[11:01] <Spiderixius> has autocompletion based on your usage history of the terminal.
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:13] <Spiderixius> Hello Kaj
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> erm afternoon i mean
[13:17] <BluesKaj> 'morning  lotuspsychje :-)
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj :p
[13:17] <lordievader> Jumping timezones, lotuspsychje?
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> lol lordievader :p
[13:18] <BluesKaj> think I'll have some breakfast
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> bon apetit BluesKaj
[13:21] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, thanks
[13:47] <HackerII> doh
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> add to favs :p
[13:47] <HackerII> got it
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> all ok mate?
[13:47] <HackerII> my little red queen
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> lol
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> not sure where she cam from
[13:48] <HackerII> whos idea was that
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> no idea
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> just saw her yesterday
[13:48] <HackerII> so, howya doin these days
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> great
[13:48] <HackerII> same here
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> got my bq 4.5 ubuntu touch
[13:48] <HackerII> work good ?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> and it rocknrolls :p
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:49] <HackerII> i want one, link me lemme see it
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: your usa?
[13:49] <HackerII> is that the one that only goes 3g ?
[13:49] <HackerII> in usa
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> not sure bq works in usa
[13:50] <HackerII> i think its only 3g
[13:50] <HackerII> id still get one, how much you pay
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> im europe here
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> 173 euro with send costs
[13:50] <HackerII> whats that in dollars
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: you can ask in #ubuntu-touch if bq works usa
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: about the same
[13:51] <HackerII> under 200 dollars ?, tooo cheap
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> loool
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> its nice clean and small
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> a guy cant wear big phones in his pocket right
[13:51] <HackerII> is it fast enough, isnt that a 2g processor ?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e4-5-ubuntu-edition
[13:52] <HackerII> soon as it comes here ill get one 4 sure
[13:52] <HackerII> looks
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> there's the E5 also
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> but i dont need hd
[13:54] <HackerII> so, you have a full fledged ubuntu on that ?
[13:54] <HackerII> tooo coool
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:55] <HackerII> Operating system Ubuntu
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> i got tablet nexus7 with touch also
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:55] <lotuspsychje> free updates
[13:55] <HackerII> im beta testing the new kodi today, gonna install it on a xtra space, i have the g-box which is nifty
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> cool
[13:56] <HackerII> man, i hevent got anything but a generic cell px, waiting for the ubuntu px here
[13:56] <HackerII> i (will) spend the money
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:57] <HackerII> srsly, how do you like it
[13:57] <HackerII> doesnt it have external graphics output ?
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> very like ubuntu touch
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> no
[13:58] <HackerII> huh, i thought you could hook a monitor to it
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> that convergence mode is something they still work on
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> and not sure bq 4.5 will be able to
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> ask in #ubuntu-touch for more details
[13:59] <HackerII> ok
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> think meizu will be able
[14:00] <HackerII> most likely
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> but as i dislike android so much
[14:00] <HackerII> being able to hook a monitor and keyboard/mouse would make that thing flyoff the shelves
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> im soo happy with touch phone :p
[14:00] <HackerII> i dont trust any of those guys, only ubuntu
[14:01] <HackerII> proven
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> another wish on my list would be terminal apps install on the phone
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> now its locked for safety
[14:01] <HackerII> i wish they would hurry up
[14:01] <HackerII> cant unlock it ?
[14:01] <HackerII> is it rootable ?
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> you can, but you cant receive updates then
[14:02] <HackerII> ah
[14:02] <HackerII> ic
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> and i want the new updates :p
[14:02] <HackerII> ya
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> for the 170 euro im very satisfyed
[14:03] <HackerII> id be too, not bad price at all
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> i dont wanna pay 4g neither
[14:03] <lotuspsychje> only wifi at places
[14:03] <HackerII> i just hope the nsa dont demand back doors like thay did microshaft
[14:03] <OerHeks> No java, great phone
[14:04] <OerHeks> No Dalvik either, so no lawsuites :-D
[14:04] <HackerII> lol
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:04] <OerHeks> meizu mx4 is sold out, maybe mx5 is comming ..
[14:05] <HackerII> you kno it
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> and other brands will join the circus too
[14:05] <HackerII> yep
[14:05] <OerHeks> One plus One is nearly usable.
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> power to opensource!
[14:05] <HackerII> ive been w ubuntu from the start, they have proven trust by me
[14:06] <HackerII> got customers, back when done, good day folks
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> kk
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> laterz
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> add to favs :p
[14:07] <HackerII> done
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: good afternoon mate
[14:35] <cfhowlett> heyheyhey lotuspsychje
[14:36] <OerHeks> hi-di-hi cfhowlett
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> hi EriC^^
[14:43] <EriC^^> hi lotuspsychje
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-is-shipping-with-linux-kernel-4-2-494357.shtml
[16:20] <HackerII> idk the validity to this.
[16:20] <HackerII> http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=220543
[16:59] <daftykins> o/
[16:59] <daftykins> it would appear i was banned again in my absence
[17:00] <EriC^^> daftykins: o/
[17:00] <daftykins> just got back from England :)
[17:00] <EriC^^> cool, had fun?
[17:01] <daftykins> yeah good stuff thanks :) saw my friends little 14 month old son - and fixed up all their computers :)
[17:01] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[17:01] <daftykins> heya \o
[17:01] <EriC^^> cool
[17:01] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[17:02] <pauljw> how's everyone today?
[17:02] <daftykins> in good spirits here thanks :) yourself?
[17:02] <pauljw> same  :)
[17:02] <EriC^^> im good thanks
[17:03] <pauljw> :)
[17:03] <pauljw> that's a good trick to get banned while not even here daftykins
[17:04] <EriC^^> maybe it was your cat O.o
[17:04] <daftykins> :D
[17:04] <EriC^^> like the guy who's cat kept deleting his home dir or something
[17:04] <pauljw> heheh
[17:04] <daftykins> well an op i know unbanned me on the day i left, then i think the one i offended must've put it back
[17:04] <EriC^^> ( i watched my cat for a few days to see what buttons it was pressing ..) remember? :D >.<
[17:04] <daftykins> EriC^^: haha i remember that guy :D
[17:05] <lotuspsychje_> good evening pauljw and daftykins
[17:06] <daftykins> hey hey!
[17:06] <pauljw> oh the world and its sensitivities...
[17:06] <daftykins> lotuspsychje_: you'd be proud, i had a friend buy a samsung 850 EVO whilst i was away ;)
[17:06] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje_
[17:07] <lotuspsychje_> nice daftykins
[17:07] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: and he installed linux on it?
[17:07] <daftykins> then i put the old 60GB OCZ he had into his wifes old 1.4GHz 1GB RAM Advent laptop - with xubuntu :)
[17:08] <lotuspsychje_> cool
[17:08] <lotuspsychje_> ssd always benfits :p
[17:08] <daftykins> definitely
[17:08] <lotuspsychje_> still got that old transcend 8gig slc
[17:08] <daftykins> from a netbook or some such?
[17:08] <lotuspsychje_> running trusty 64bit rocketfast
[17:09] <lotuspsychje_> no got a desktop running on it
[17:09] <lotuspsychje_> and 1TB data mechanical drives
[17:09] <lotuspsychje_> daftykins: bought it spare, back in the ssd expensive days
[17:09] <lotuspsychje_> payed like 100 euro for it
[17:10] <daftykins> :)
[17:14] <lotuspsychje_> !isitoutyet
[17:14] <ubot5`> Not yet!
[17:15] <OerHeks> Why, ubot5`, why?
[17:15] <OerHeks> wily is slower than vivid, i like that.
[17:16] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[17:16] <lotuspsychje_> give us the rushhhh
[17:16] <OerHeks> or phoronics should dust the fans
[17:18] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[17:18] <daftykins> is it really slower? or you just mean slower to be released? :)
[17:19] <OerHeks> He did a benchmark, most points it is slower, but will we notice that?
[17:19] <OerHeks> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-15-Benchmarks
[17:20] <daftykins> that's a really strange specification system to test on
[17:20] <daftykins> more of a workstation than a common desktop
[17:21] <OerHeks> i think he is using a wireless mouse, that can slow down milliseconds too
[17:21] <daftykins> XD
[17:21] <OerHeks> *hips*
[17:22] <lotuspsychje_> ah well, at least we will have 4.2 kernel and new scrollbars lol
[17:23] <daftykins> and roll on January 31st to make 15.04 go EOL, so there're only 3 releases left standing :)
[17:23] <daftykins> 12.04, 14.04 and 15.10 then right?
[17:24] <lordievader> !precise
[17:24] <ubot5`> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is a currently-supported !LTS release of Ubuntu.  Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1204
[17:24] <lordievader> Hmpf, why don't you list the support period...
[17:24] <daftykins> April 2017 i figure
[17:24] <daftykins> 5 year LTS?
[17:24] <lordievader> Makes sense ;)
[17:25] <daftykins> now all i need do is get unbanned so i can actually help ;)
[17:25] <daftykins> although i might actually get a new job so i can keep busier for the Christmas period
[17:25] <lordievader> daftykins: You got banned from #ubuntu?  In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.0-5.3 (vivid), package size 186 kB, installed size 677 kB (Only available for linux-any)
[17:32] <lordievader> lotuspsychje_: Why would he change his mac?
[17:32] <daftykins> haha, i think i'm only banned by my cloak
[17:32] <lotuspsychje_> ip/nick ban?
[17:32] <lotuspsychje_> ah ok
[17:32] <daftykins> or at least i was before i left on my trip
[17:33] <lordievader> Better to just ask the ops to unban you.
[17:33] <lotuspsychje_> im out, movienight with the misses
[17:33] <lotuspsychje_> see you next session guys
[17:33] <lordievader> Have fun
[17:33] <lotuspsychje_> tnx
[17:33] <pauljw> later
[17:33] <daftykins> take care o/
[17:33] <daftykins> yeah i wouldn't do deception, not worth the hassle
[17:34] <lordievader> You might just get a more severe ban.
[17:34] <daftykins> indeed
[18:36] <OerHeks> now you are welcome again, daftykins
[18:36] <pauljw> :)
[18:36] <OerHeks> F**** = Friend!
[18:36] <daftykins> 8D
[18:36] <pauljw> heheh
[18:37] <daftykins> all thanks to a kind soul :)
[18:37] <pauljw> you're a kind soul yourself and much more patient than I
[18:38] <daftykins> i have my moments ;)
[18:38] <OerHeks> If i could swim, i came over for meet & greet.
[18:38] <pauljw> :)
[18:40] <daftykins> that'd be neat actually, i do like to put faces to names with IRC folk
[18:40] <daftykins> as it was the friends i was visiting, i discussed my helping out in #ubuntu whilst i was doing the xubuntu reinstall
[18:41] <daftykins> they think it's really admirable work
[18:41] <OerHeks> i am sure you have seen this one before https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/DrabberEnIkOpPaard.JPG
[18:43] <pauljw> it is admirable, i'm in awe of some of the knowledge shared here.  irc itself is something that i never knew existed till i discovered linux and was taken with it almost as much as the os itself
[18:44] <daftykins> OerHeks: i don't think so! are you going to shock me and say you are the horse? ;)
[18:45] <OerHeks> Yes.
[18:45] <OerHeks> no, the girl ...
[18:45] <OerHeks> ehhh that guy on top of it, ofcourse :-D
[18:45] <daftykins> ^_^
[18:46] <daftykins> that's a cool dog
[18:46] <daftykins> kinda looks like a firefox (red panda) in the face :)
[18:47] <OerHeks> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/2015DrabberSStoer.JPG
[18:47] <OerHeks> Chihuahua, long hair version
[18:49] <daftykins> hehe, that is a proper Clint Eastwood pose :)
[18:50] <daftykins> i'm sure everyones seen mine, but here was me on my riding trip to Wales - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogkekwst4h8b4dw/IMG_20150906_171157.jpg?dl=0
[18:51] <OerHeks> different bike .. or was that the rental ?
[18:51] <daftykins> good memory! just a friends one beside me from that angle :)
[18:53] <pauljw> brb...
[18:57] <OerHeks> Got a free bike last week, simular to this, blue with white fenders, 12 speed http://www.galaxybikes.com/1970s-peugeot-57cm-road-city-bike/ (same year)
[18:58] <wileee> nice, looks like a comfy ride
[18:58] <OerHeks> no rust, allways been inside, so the tyres are dried out.
[18:59] <pauljw> that's sweet
[18:59] <OerHeks> yes, the steering is like a limousine, for long rides.
[18:59] <wileee> that is worth a bit just as a historical bike.....somewhere
[19:00] <OerHeks> Allways handy to have a 2nd one, for friends on visit, or when one is broken.
[19:00] <OerHeks> I was actually looking for a lady bike, for a friend here in this appartmentblock.
[19:00] <OerHeks> never say npo to a free bike :-D
[19:00] <OerHeks> *no
[19:01] <wileee> yeah, I have a street mountain combo great for the street
[19:01] <OerHeks> *unless the lock is broken without key
[19:01] <wileee> heh, would steal either, funny shows with people getting trapped doing it.
[19:02] <wileee> would not*
[19:02] <OerHeks> No need to steal, really, all i need will get on my path, but not all on my path is good for me.
[19:03] <wileee> heh, you to
[19:05] <daftykins> bike looks good :)
[19:06] <daftykins> whilst away my friend told me his was stolen from a train station up there :(
[19:06] <wileee> saw this lately, did not know and I live here, kinda funny, very portlandia, http://laughingsquid.com/the-pedal-powered-talk-show-a-portland-oregon-talk-show-recorded-from-a-desk-mounted-to-a-cargo-bike/
[19:07] <OerHeks> awesome, wilee, i would like to do that too :-D
[19:08] <daftykins> that looks like good fun!
[19:09] <wileee> I've only seen bits of portlandia, I don't have cable, but saw them filming next to my daily starbucks hang, some other horror show is filmed here as well.
[19:11] <daftykins> i keep hearing the line that "the 90s are alive in Portland" but don't know much else about it :)
[19:14] <wileee> It is a funny place to be, no idea what it's like elsewhere, a good chuckle by the minute from the persona's worn and acted out by many.
[19:15] <wileee> everybody has a funky dad's hat lol
[19:17] <wileee> very popular donut place here, very close I don't go, I might not leave. http://voodoodoughnut.com/
[19:26] <daftykins> i found it very odd at the weekend when i installed xubuntu on an empty drive, that it set the GRUB timeout to 10
[19:27] <daftykins> well, perhaps it always is - but i was surprised it actually did make me wait
[19:27] <wileee> first thing I change generally
[19:28] <daftykins> i only expect to see it displayed on a failed boot
[19:30] <wileee> heh, makes sense I have been multi booting for so long
[19:43] <OerHeks> It is getting colder, people start using the pc again .. lots of EOL nerds
[19:43] <wileee> and their mad now
[19:44] <OerHeks> Some of them will return to Vista :-D
[19:44] <OerHeks> oh, that is EOL too
[19:45] <OerHeks> hi mcphail
[19:45] <mcphail> Hi OerHeks
[19:45] <mcphail> Does anyone think it would be reasonable to tweak the installer to support bcache?
[19:46] <mcphail> If a bcache'd filesystem is detected, bcache tools shopuld be installed so the install will boot
[19:47] <mcphail> Without bcache-tools, the filesystem isn't recognised at boot
[19:48] <OerHeks> That would be nice, just read about bcache
[19:48] <mcphail> OerHeks: it (seems_ to work well. But currently requires a chroot into the install to add the bcache-tools package before reboot. Messy
[19:49] <mcphail> (and the cause for a bit of my hair loss last night)
[19:52] <OerHeks> I think one needs live mode first, to prepare bcache
[19:52] <OerHeks> not possible on a server install though
[19:53] <mcphail> OerHeks: you can do a server install, but you'd need to use debootstrap. There's a neat Ubuntu server guide somewhere
[19:53] <daftykins> OerHeks: ah that's a good point as to why we're seeing those utopic users, indeed
[19:54] <mcphail> OerHeks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/InstallOnBcache
[19:55] <OerHeks> oh, i was looking @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Bcache
[19:55] <OerHeks> nice
[20:04] <mcphail> I suspect there must be a way for the installer to check for /dev/bcache* and add the tools. Alternatively, they could be added to the base install by default (as the package is only 18.6kb)
[20:11] <OerHeks> cat /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/state  The output can be: no cache / clean / dirty / inconsistent
[20:12] <OerHeks> * afer adding the tools, i presume
[20:13] <mcphail> I think you need to have set up a bcache device (and add the tools) before that /sys tree is populated
[20:13] <OerHeks> ehm .. good point
[20:14] <OerHeks> is Bcache better than DM-cache?
[20:14] <mcphail> It fits in my brain better :)
[20:15] <mcphail> I think the intent is similar
[20:16] <OerHeks> interesting, i like to try it myself. i have a spare 60 gb ssd and a 4 gb duocore.
[20:17] <OerHeks> maybe 2 x320 gb sata2 too for raid
[20:18] <mcphail> certainly worth a try on a spare machine. I'm using it for an experiment wily install. No problems yet, but have only been using it for 24h ;)
[20:19] <OerHeks> both can handle udev?
[20:21] <mcphail> in what way?
[20:22] <mcphail> bcache-tools sets up the udev rules, if that's what you mean?
[20:23] <mcphail> (That's why I'd propose adding it to the installer...)
[20:52] <daftykins> wow even more utopic question askers
[20:52] <daftykins> how do these people not notice they're running EOL 'til now? XD
[20:54] <mcphail> Probably never press the "update" button during the supported period, anyway
[20:55] <daftykins> could well be
[20:56] <EriC^^> when i first wanted to download ubuntu i downloaded a non lts, if you dont know about package managers and linux and stuff long term support is like a chinese term or something
[20:56] <daftykins> very true
[20:56] <EriC^^> i remember thinking what's this sudo thing every where
[20:57] <daftykins> though i think i was lucky and spotted both the terms on the download page that first time - and checked what it meant
[20:57] <mcphail> Ha - I have a debian squeeze box which I have to hand-compile all security updates, so I can't criticise
[20:58] <OerHeks> I joined the irc right away, when switching from Fedora to Ubuntu.
[20:58] <OerHeks> But ubuntu-nl is pretty dead.
[21:00] <mcphail> Is Seveas in ubuntu-nl? I think he taught me everything I now know when I joined the #ubuntu irc
[21:03] <mcphail> I often wonder how #ubuntu can get that same atmosphere of help and support again. I suppose having 20 people each day asking the same questions about EOL ditros and over-full /boot partitions doesn't help
[21:04] <OerHeks> Nope, he is doing nothing lately, according to his wikipage
[21:04] <OerHeks> I miss ikonia, actionparsnip and such
[21:06] <mcphail> The #ubuntu-touch community is very nice, and is like a (smaller) version of #ubuntu in its prime
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> i'd like to see the installation of thermald (daemon) and indicator-cpufreq added to this page... where or how do I suggest it? ... https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/power-hotcomputer.html
[21:41] <daftykins> hmm, if you're logged in with single sign on - do any controls become visible to edit it?
[21:41] <daftykins> i'm not sure how the pages are handled tbh
[21:41] <daftykins> TJ-: hi sir \o
[21:42] <TJ-> Evening :)
[21:42] <daftykins> back from invading England, but i've got to retire early for a change to keep my good schedule and also work! :D
[21:43] <daftykins> nn all \o
[21:43] <TJ-> Setting a good example! I need to do that too
[21:43] <OerHeks> daftykins, i lost my yubikey, now i cannot login anymore, mail does not help :-(
[21:44] <OerHeks> no more replies to askubuntu, only ubuntu-nl forum is available
[21:44] <TJ-> OerHeks: you lost it?! no back-up?
[21:45] <OerHeks> it is a hardwarekey
[21:48] <TJ-> I mean back-up for the sites you use it on. If a site accepts Ubikey as a 2nd factor, they should always provide a method to disable the ubikey/2-factor in case it is broken/lost/stolen
[21:49] <OerHeks> TJ-, nope, all i can do is joining an irc channel ( dead) or mail .. done twice, no reaction :-( dunno what to do now
[21:49] <TJ-> OerHeks: I assume this is with one.ubuntu.com single-sign-on?
[21:49] <OerHeks> Yes
[21:51] <TJ-> Ahhh, and the policy there recommends using 2 or more 2FA device
[21:51] <OerHeks> ohh.. i tried now, and i can..
[21:52] <OerHeks> never got a reply they have resetted
[21:52] <OerHeks> \o/
[21:52] <OerHeks> mea culpa, for this non problem
[21:54] <TJ-> :D
[21:54] <TJ-> And set up a back-up device next time :)
[21:55] <OerHeks> Sure do!


[00:30] <_stink_> yep.
[11:44] <cmaloney> morning
[11:45] <Zimdale> Morning
[12:11] <rick_h_> morning
[12:21] <cmaloney> How goes?
[12:22] <rick_h_> party, time to dig out from the sprint weeks
[12:22] <cmaloney> Heh
[12:26] <cmaloney> smarter me already woke up and got into work
[12:26] <cmaloney> unfortunately I'm stuck with dumber me
[12:41] <jrwren> meh meh meh morning
[13:13] <cmaloney> Good mehning.
[13:14] <_stink_> hah
[15:48] <cmaloney> I'm not sure why but it gives me perverse pleasure making an ubuntu user on a Centos container.
[15:48] <greg-g> rick_h_: exciting times ahead. I was going to recommend you apply for the WMF CTO position, but that sounds like the wrong direction for now?
[15:49] <greg-g> in some ways, maybe it's easier than a directorship, though?
[15:49] <greg-g> (you'd only have about 6 direct reports, including me!) ;)
[15:50] <cmaloney> telecommute?
[15:51] <cmaloney> greg-g: Also, how is Terran doing?
[15:51] <cmaloney> (unrelated: LXC Centos Containers are a godsend)
[15:53] <greg-g> cmaloney: yep, remote friendly, our current VP of Product lives in NH
[15:54] <cmaloney> neat
[15:54] <greg-g> he's good, carrie, however, ef'd up her back holding him for 3 days straight at the hospital since "cosleeping is dangerous" (nevermind I just got out of a bed with the 4 of us in it...)
[15:56] <cmaloney> Ouch
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, I'm aiming for more a 50hr work week with a smaller team than a big overview thing and bigger
[18:02] <rick_h_> greg-g: ty though, appreciate it
[21:21] <mrgoodcat> anybody else having trouble logging into developer.amazon.com right now?
[23:32] <gamerchick02> i'm not trying but smile is working...


[00:48] <mate|78314> is there any way to run ubuntu on a raspberry pi a+ or b+
[00:53] <mate|78314> do you know if any version of ubuntu will run on a raspberry pi a+ or b+?
[00:54] <ali1234> no, no version of ubuntu will run on them
[03:10] <masterninja> Hello !
[05:30] <x2xx3x> Hi, my desktop background can not be changed any more. The menue idk in englisch "erscheinungsbild" in german is also not shown up in the System-->Settings menue. I reinstalled gnome-control-center but nothing changed, even as i manually created that menue. The thing does show up but does not start.
[05:33] <x2xx3x> appearance - thats the engl. word i was looking for...
[05:34] <x2xx3x> i am on 14.04 LTS, btw
[12:54] <jony> hello
[12:54] <jony> any one?
[13:15] <vanessa_> Hola, soy nueva en esto, un saludo a todos. Si tengo un problema. La pantalla parpadea y he querido actualizar el software y no recuerdo la clave de autenticación. como puedo cambiarla? he visto foros pero creo que se refieren a la clave de usuario, no es mi caso. Gracias por su ayuda
[13:21] <ouroumov_> !es | vanessa_
[13:29] <vanessa_> ok, i am a begginer in ubuntu, i have a problem: the screen is flashing. So i try to update the software and it ask me an autentication key, i really dont remember it. what i can do? i will apreciate any help,
[13:32] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, when you run an update, if it ask for a key it's just the password of the User you defined during the installation process.
[13:32] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, that's the default admin user
[13:33] <vanessa_> i try whit the default admin user does not work
[13:33] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, do you have a specific error message?
[13:36] <vanessa_> something like "your authentication attempt was unseccesful. Please try again"
[13:37] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, when did you install Ubuntu and did you install it yourself?
[13:37] <vanessa_> yes
[13:38] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, passwords in Ubuntu are case sensitive, meaning "K" is not "k", make sure you don't have caps lock active.
[13:38] <vanessa_> ok
[13:39] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, also make sure your keyboard is in the correct layout by tapping your password in a plain text file first
[13:39] <vanessa_> ok,:)
[13:43] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, I can guide you through the password recovery procedure but it's not simple.
[13:44] <ouroumov_> vanessa_, also if you've encrypted your home directory and you do password recovery, you will loose access to your data.
[13:47] <vanessa_> i have few data, i recently started tu use ubuntu,
[13:49] <vanessa_> it works!!!!! i think, beacuse something is hapening and start to work
[13:54] <vanessa_> thank a lot! it was so embarrassing, i feel a dumb
[13:56] <vanessa_> I hope the screen flashing is fixed with the update
[14:50] <stevenm> hey in 'places' in caja... the bookmarks section is near the bottom (on 16.04) but on 14.04 it was at the top - any way to re-arrange this back how it was?
[14:52] <DarkPsydeLord> really?
[14:52] <DarkPsydeLord> didnt notice that until now
[14:59] <stevenm> DarkPsydeLord, yeah it's irritating as people bookmark what they most regularly used - which is now relegated to the bottom :S
[14:59] <stevenm> at the top it was near other navigation buttons
[15:03] <DarkPsydeLord> well im looking for a solution must be caja related
[15:03] <DarkPsydeLord> but lemme tell you it wont bother me at all since i never noticed
[15:04] <stevenm> DarkPsydeLord, some people never add bookmarks to even have a 'bookmarks' section
[15:19] <DarkPsydeLord> stevenm: thats true,
[15:24] <Akuli> stevenm, in the bottom? you mean the bottom of the left side bar?
[15:24]  * Akuli read the logs
[15:30] <stevenm> Akuli, yes
[15:30] <Akuli> my internet is slow, i'll try to find the side bar in the source when git is done cloning it
[15:50] <Akuli> doesn't seem like easy to fix, if you want the older order you could just install an older caja
[15:50] <Akuli> or just don't bother with 16.04 :)
[16:44] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, hi
[16:46] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, I believe I've identified an edge-case bug in mpm 1.12.1, I'm not sure if I should file the issue against the 1.12 branch or Master on github, the 1.12 is marked "stale"
[16:47] <ouroumov> I'm unable to try against other versions
[16:52] <ouroumov> flexiondotorg, nevermind github doesn't allow filing against other branches anyway
[16:52] <ouroumov> Sorry
[17:54] <DarkPsydeLord> everytime i hear caja it messes up my mind
[17:54] <DarkPsydeLord> hahahaha
[18:48] <khalid_> so u new here
[18:48] <khalid_> njkbnlkbn


[00:54] <jwm> I'm not new to linux, but I'm not very technically adept.  I'm looking to make an Epson v39 scanner work with my Ununtu 18.04 system.  Can anyone help?  USB recognition is the first hurdle.
[00:55] <tsimonq2> jwm: Maybe try #ubuntu instead.
[00:56] <jwm> tsimonq2: thanks.  I have a request out there.  It's more of a linux than GUI question.
[00:58] <oerheks> http://support.epson.net/linux/en/iscan_c.html drivers in deb and rpm
[00:58] <oerheks> it is a bundle, AFAIK
[00:59] <jwm> oerheks: thanks, I've been there.  I made an error in asking a support question here, though I am thankful for people's polite helpfulness
[00:59] <oerheks> download the debs, cd ~/Downloads, sudo dpkg -i *deb
[00:59] <oerheks> replug the scanner, voila
[01:00] <jwm> I'll give it another go and report back
[01:01] <jwm> the debs are not normal debs, it's a *.tar.gz package that I've already installed.  no luck
[01:04] <oerheks> click on it, fileroller will open, and select 'extract'
[01:05] <oerheks> tar.gz is a compressed file
[01:05] <jwm> indeed, I understand.  I have extracted and installed.  It just hasn't solved the problem
[01:10] <jwm> I understand this is not a support channel.   To install the GNOME Shell, type [ sudo apt-get install gnome-shell ] in a !terminal. For the GNOME-based !flavor of Ubuntu, see !ubuntu-gnome
[04:32] <oerheks> tomreyn, hacjing a miner, probably
[04:35] <tomreyn> oerheks: maybe. the code was for loading a JS miner into a website, but then it also had a reference to injecting additional html / script code.
[04:35] <tomreyn> i didnt read it thoroughly though
[04:38] <tomreyn> way too many people are taught that money is the only thing which really matters. it's entirely understandable though if you grow up in poverty.
[04:39] <oerheks> millionairs know poverty too
[04:39] <oerheks> :-D
[04:40] <oerheks> fear of losing money is higly harmfull
[04:41] <tomreyn> yes, it causes it.
[04:41] <oerheks> .. and no, i am ugly rich but not a millionaire
[04:41] <tomreyn> :) congrats.
[04:42] <tomreyn> i'm probably lower middle class, in a rich country.
[04:43] <oerheks> a warm house, montly income and clean water from the tap
[04:43]  * oerheks is waiting for the bike to come out of the paintshop
[04:48] <tomreyn> having everything you need covered, and no need to think about how to make it through the month is indeed a luxury.
[04:49] <tomreyn> (and one that i can enjoy)
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:50] <oerheks> oh, we do have our worries, but they are insignificant
[04:50] <oerheks> hi lotus
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> hy oerheks
[05:24] <oerheks> oh ugly... https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-bug-allows-anyone-with-physical-access-to-bypass-your-lock-screen
[05:25] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1777415
[05:44] <tomreyn> my system is safe from this, lightdm just freezes when i wake it up.
[06:06] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:07] <lordievader> My (Ubuntu) system is safe from this too, it doesn't have a lock-screen.
[06:38] <ducasse> good morning
[07:49] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:49] <lordievader> How are you doing?
[07:51] <ducasse> morning lordievader - all good here, thanks. how about you?
[07:54] <lordievader> Doing good here. Moving some data to the new drive 😁
[07:58] <ducasse> ooh - new drive? what kind?
[08:02] <lordievader> 4TB WD blue.
[08:02] <lordievader> Normally I take Reds, but this one was a lot cheaper. And the blues that I have in my system run nicely.
[08:13] <ducasse> i usually stick to wd reds myself, blue is the desktop model, right?
[08:14] <EriC^> morning
[08:15] <oerheks> i have 2 blue ones, aren't they for audio/video recorders?
[08:16] <oerheks> that is where i get them from, setup-top-boxes
[08:16] <oerheks> hi EriC^
[08:17] <EriC^> hi oerheks
[08:17] <EriC^> o/
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^ lordievader ducasse
[08:17] <EriC^> hey lotuspsychje
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> im formatting customers alienware to bionic
[08:18] <lordievader> 👋
[08:18] <ducasse> oerheks: seems that is purple
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> morning tomreyn
[08:18] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[08:18] <oerheks> hello beautifull
[08:18] <ducasse> \o EriC^
[08:18] <oerheks> oh, what do i do with them, 2x 320 + 500 ..
[08:18] <EriC^> hey ducasse
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> what a cr4p box ton disasemble that alienware jeez
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> grafix card is attached to a whole metal square and behind that sits hd
[08:22] <oerheks> oh, so alienware is hard to format to bionic?
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> no, it was pretty fast
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> just first boot is longggg due to new welcome screen lagging
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> needed to check hd first for data recovery
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> but 1TB empty lol
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> and the guy doesnt know what happened
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> weird story
[08:26] <ducasse> "i have no idea what happened" = "i screwed it up"
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/PM2bwdl
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> probably ducasse :p
[08:43] <tomreyn> hi lotuspsychje, sorry, missed the highlight
[08:45] <tomreyn> EriC^: can you (later, when you're done there) explain what happened there with qwebirc's HP system? i'm not sure i understand it, yet.
[08:47] <EriC^> me neither tbh, i was thinking the grub.cfg in the esp was wrong and not pointing to the right fs
[08:47] <EriC^> cause echo $root gave the esp files, but the grub.cfg there is right so beats me :D
[08:48] <EriC^> maybe his actual ../boot/grub.cfg was borked?
[08:48] <tomreyn> it seemed to me like grub saw different storages than the running ubuntu?
[08:48] <EriC^> yeah i dunno about all that hdd magic :D
[08:48] <tomreyn> grub saw two storages, the first one having a single partition
[08:49] <tomreyn> msdos partition table onthe first, gpt on the second storage
[08:49] <EriC^> yup *shrug*
[08:49] <tomreyn> so this uefi seems to be doing something naughty to hide this internal usb storage they have there.
[08:50] <EriC^> yeah what's the relevance of it though
[08:50] <EriC^> it's a hybrid hdd/sdd stuff?
[08:51] <EriC^> see the $root is gpt1 right now which is the esp
[08:52] <EriC^> it's supposed to be set to gpt as per http://termbin.com/jpt4
[08:52] <EriC^> maybe some other efi file is being booted? hmm
[08:53] <tomreyn> i dont think i can follow
[08:53] <tomreyn> just ignore me for now ;)
[08:54] <oerheks> maybe fastboot is not disabled?
[08:54] <EriC^> nope it's loading some efi file and grub
[08:54] <EriC^> and even setting prefix to... oddly enough gpt1/EFI/ubuntu
[08:56] <tomreyn> cold it be one of those integreated linux live boot systems, like some desktop shipped with for a while? i forgot the product names...
[08:57] <EriC^> no idea
[08:58] <EriC^> now it wont boot anymore xD
[09:00] <EriC^> curious one this one :D
[09:00] <tomreyn> indeed, an interesting puzzle they made up there for us at HP.
[09:01] <tomreyn> this is the kind of thing i was thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop_OS - but thaT's actually unlikely, i forgot this fashion is a couple years ago by now, and mr. qwebirc's HP isnot that old.
[09:02] <EriC^> i wonder what's on that msdos one now
[09:02] <tomreyn> probably an assortment of the best hp pc utilities you could think of!
[09:03] <EriC^> :D
[09:04] <EriC^> hp usually doesnt play nice with linux uefi
[09:04] <EriC^> im wondering how it's even letting the efi file boot
[09:04] <EriC^> usually you just get windows loading after installing ubuntu with uefi
[09:09] <tomreyn> due to the whitelist you mean? i think they stoped this practice since, but not sure whether that was before this model.
[09:09] <tomreyn> looks like the msdos partitioned storage has vanished, wtf
[09:09] <EriC^> yup
[09:09] <EriC^> my 2 hp's do this, one 2013 one 2017
[09:10] <tomreyn> oh 2017, so maybe they didnt stop that practice
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> ive seen also hidden bios settings to block the install of new Os (besides fastboot & secureboot) on some boxes
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> not sure whats the setting called again
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> seen that on a medion desktop once
[09:11] <EriC^> hmm this is an odd one
[09:12] <EriC^> it's booting the grub file fairly certainly cause we pointed it to it, so why wouldnt it load it right
[09:12] <tomreyn> maybe have them prepare a usb stick with several grub configurations, one of which might work to boot ubuntu, to at least get them to boot consistently for now.
[09:12] <EriC^> but then the grub entries $root is right, but it shows up completely skewed
[09:12] <EriC^> maybe it's getting changed in /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? that's the only thing i can come up with
[09:22] <tomreyn> this /etc/default/grub misses a lot?
[09:22] <EriC^> yup
[09:23] <EriC^> i think it's not related to grub.cfg at all though, cause we're using it later and it's just loading fine *durp*
[09:24] <EriC^> so uefi > grub entry > efi/grub/shimx64.efi + grub.cfg with good $root -----> getting cli + bad $root and $prefix with $root/efi/ubuntu
[09:27] <tomreyn> ok, but i have no idea how this would happen.
[09:28] <EriC^> me neither
[09:28] <EriC^> it's one for TJ- this one
[09:28] <tomreyn> yes, he's left his post, though
[09:33] <EriC^> yeah, he comes by less often these days
[09:40] <tomreyn> so how to make it work next time? just purge /boot/efi/efi/grub ? symlink wont work on fat
[09:41] <EriC^^> hmm i dunno if it's some fault, grub-install is supposed to install to efi/ubuntu but it wasn't for sure reason
[09:41] <EriC^^> *for some
[09:41] <EriC^^> and i think it expects that dir to look for the $root stuff so it was getting confused when it didnt find it and just using the esp as $root
[09:42] <EriC^^> grub-install is supposed to add an "ubuntu" entry to the uefi list and put the files in efi/ubuntu
[09:42] <EriC^^> let's see his last efibootmgr if it had added it
[09:43] <EriC^^> nope, just the "grub" entry pointing to efi/grub
[09:46] <tomreyn> i don't have a "grub" directory in  /boot/efi/EFI/ here, but i'm on 16.04.
[09:46] <EriC^^> hmm i just tested by creating a efi/grub dir without ubuntu and grub-install to see if that would throw it off but no it creates an efi/ubuntu dir
[09:47] <EriC^^> i was thinking maybe he had installed mint or something that made the efi/grub and thats what caused the issue
[09:47] <tomreyn> that was my guess, too
[09:58] <tomreyn> i need to head out for a bit, bbl
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:03] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj - all well?
[11:03] <BluesKaj> hey ducasse, yes, fine here, and you?
[11:04] <ducasse> all good, thanks. is it hot in canada today?
[11:05] <BluesKaj> not yet, but it's going up to 29C this aft
[11:05] <BluesKaj> warm enough
[11:06] <BluesKaj> very hot out west, up to 33 on the prairies
[11:07] <lordievader> Phew way too much.
[11:16] <ducasse> just one or two degrees more than we had here last week
[11:16] <BluesKaj> yeah we had a week of 33-34 last week, it was too much
[11:19] <ducasse> it's been a while since i last wanted so much to tell a user to eff off and get help elsewhere
[11:21] <BluesKaj> desperatation
[11:21] <BluesKaj> desperation even :-)
[11:22] <BluesKaj> mint works ok , just not my cuppa tea
[11:56] <lordievader> #ubuntu drama again?
[11:59] <ducasse> lordievader: just some idiot whining and cursing because we don't support mint or kali
[11:59] <lordievader> Let me guess... because it is based on Ubuntu?
[12:04] <ducasse> he just said "thanks for f***ing b***h support" and started asking about something else
[12:04] <ducasse> at which point i basically ignored him
[12:05] <lordievader> Yeah, some  people are just not worth it.
[12:07] <ducasse> no, that attitude entitles you to all the support you can get from google, imo
[12:12] <lordievader> Indeed.
[12:24] <BluesKaj> google doesn't discriminate, you either enter the correct question or not , it doesn't matter to the bots
[12:27] <ducasse> and it doesn't mind you swearing at it :)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yeah
[12:28] <BluesKaj> ever tried Solus OS ducasse?
[12:29] <ducasse> no, it's an ubuntu derivative, right?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> no it's a non-derivative OS
[12:29] <BluesKaj> afaik
[12:30] <ducasse> oh, ok. i've just seen a couple of people asking about it in #ubuntu
[12:30] <BluesKaj> rolling release I beive and the default DE is budgie
[12:30] <BluesKaj> believe
[12:31] <BluesKaj> developing KDE for it as we speak
[12:32] <BluesKaj> sounds interesting to me ...deve'd from the gound up
[12:32] <BluesKaj> https://www.distrowatch.com/index.php?distribution=solus&release=all&month=all&year=all
[12:37] <ducasse> got to go to the store, bbl
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj Mr_0 pragmaticenigma
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> alo
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> returned bug today on my desktop: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1780986
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> welcome MysticReverie
[15:53] <MysticReverie> Hi Lotus
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: still happy with your new ubuntu install?
[15:55] <MysticReverie> Very much.  It's so aethetically pleasing just to look at
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> screenshot?
[15:56] <MysticReverie> I hjave my title bars on auto hide  top and bottom
[15:56] <MysticReverie> and am using 'turkin spices'  wallpaper from ubuntu 18 wallpapers
[15:56] <MysticReverie> but can give a screenshot if u like lol
[15:56] <MysticReverie> turksh spices*  something like that
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> im always curious for desktops
[15:57] <MysticReverie> not sore how t odo a screenshot lol
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: screenshot program or prt scr button
[15:58] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: heres mine: https://imgur.com/a/fVlVwBX
[15:59] <MysticReverie> Nice colours !
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[15:59] <MysticReverie> https://ibb.co/fEWXe8
[16:00] <MysticReverie> mine doesnt have much.. if i move my mouse away fro mthe top, the top bar will auto hide.  an dthe bottom bar hide if there is a window near it
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> nice anyway MysticReverie
[16:00] <MysticReverie> thans
[16:00] <MysticReverie> yea.. ubuntu always looked good, always has
[16:01] <MysticReverie> you eve nchanged your termina lcolours
[16:01] <MysticReverie> looks good
[16:01] <lotuspsychje> i always use green on black MysticReverie also on hexchat
[16:02] <MysticReverie> Oh i jus tleave it default
[16:02] <MysticReverie> although i do sometimes, or often prefer brown or black backgrounds and grey text or something
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> the matrix has me, for years
[16:02] <MysticReverie> easier on the eye
[16:02] <MysticReverie> the matrix?
[16:02] <lotuspsychje> green on black= matrix style
[16:02] <MysticReverie> oh
[16:03] <MysticReverie> i like to make it look like relaxing paper if possible lol.   brown backgrouns and not sure what text colour
[16:04] <MysticReverie> but, ubuntu generally seems to have a low conteast and relaxing look
[16:04] <MysticReverie> plus its curves, just great
[16:04] <MysticReverie> contrast *
[16:04] <MysticReverie> i also use the night light feature to remov esome blue light during evening hours
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> yep
[16:06] <MysticReverie> only other os's ive seen with asimilar style is mac os and windows 7
[16:06] <MysticReverie> but i think ubuntu may be better
[16:06] <MysticReverie> looking
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: https://www.deviantart.com/lotuspsychje/gallery/
[16:07] <MysticReverie> im not a very computer savcvy person so I can't say what os is 'better'   but for me ubuntu is probably the easiest to use linux, stable, fast, and look reallly good
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: linux desktops have always been much more original then other Os
[16:08] <MysticReverie> These look great
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[16:09] <MysticReverie> did you try the new style?  i forget what its called, but it was going to be release with ubuntu 18, but wanst ready, but yoy cna get it on beta.  Gives a different look.   I like the fonts etc, but im not keen on the higher contrast
[16:09] <MysticReverie> So I just user pretty stadard ubuntu 18 scheme
[16:09] <MysticReverie> works great
[16:10] <MysticReverie> sorry, my typing needs more attention
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: you mean the community theme?
[16:10] <MysticReverie> Thats it yes
[16:10] <MysticReverie> looks great, but contrast to high for me
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: there's a snap for it communitheme
[16:11] <MysticReverie> yea, i tried it
[16:11] <MysticReverie> somehow lol
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[16:11] <MysticReverie> Definately nice
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: perhaps follow up cosmic support
[16:12] <MysticReverie> but eh black titlebars in the windows seem a but intense compared to this one
[16:12] <MysticReverie> Cosmic support ?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> !cosmic
[16:12] <MysticReverie> oh
[16:13] <MysticReverie> will this be automatically installed over my 18.04?
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: no, 18.04 is LTS
[16:13] <MysticReverie> ok
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: lts always follows LTS
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: only if you choose yourself you can upgrade to a next newer version
[16:14] <MysticReverie> Ok, thanks
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: this i also follow: https://www.deviantart.com/customization/screenshots/nix/newest/
[16:14] <MysticReverie> Will you be upgrading ?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: no, i always stick to LTS and contribute with bugs
[16:15] <MysticReverie> Oh , you really are a desktop connoisseur lol
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: well, its all a learning experience, who can say he knows it all?
[16:15] <MysticReverie> Some people dont care what thier desktop looks like as long as its fucntional. Me personally I love a comfortable desktop. Aesthetically pleasing
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: thats the magic of this ubuntu community, users help each other as one 'whole'
[16:16] <MysticReverie> Indeed. To be honest I'm not a big fan of learning terminal. But after getting a few thing sset up, I dont need to use it much.
[16:16] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: GUI can be done alot these days for sure
[16:17] <MysticReverie> Yea, I have little technical support to offer lol, just my feedback of what I like
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> i always liked linux eyecandy myself
[16:17] <MysticReverie> Ubuntu eyuecandy yes
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: contribute can be more easy then you think, like filing a bug from your system, also help the community
[16:17] <MysticReverie> But som other distros look like terminal windows with a task bar and pixelated icons lol
[16:17] <MysticReverie> hmm, true
[16:18] <MysticReverie> II'm sure the other distros are great for people who use them - just depends what you like
[16:18] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: or like the new system info tool, that gathers ubuntu info to help overall
[16:19] <MysticReverie> Ubuntu is the most popular linux I think ?
[16:19] <MysticReverie> Followed by Mint I guess
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> well hard to say exactly worldwide of course, but we do have articles with all machines running ubuntu..and their alot
[16:20] <MysticReverie> Mint was pretty muc has functional as Ubuntu for me , I just didnt like the aesthetic as much
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2016/04/07/ubuntu-is-everywhere?utm_source=omgubuntu
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> thats from a while ago, so might have increased alot since
[16:22] <MysticReverie> Not sure I expected those high numbers
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> :p
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> impressive right
[16:22] <MysticReverie> I thin kso
[16:22] <MysticReverie> Also, what I find impresseive is it seems to run pretty much as quickly from a USB as puppylinux does.
[16:23] <MysticReverie> Even a full Ubuntu usb os
[16:23] <MysticReverie> runs well
[16:24] <MysticReverie> But I have it in my SSD now anyway - Dual boot with Win10
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> so nice this: https://www.wikihow.com/Category:Ubuntu
[16:39] <MysticReverie> Fantastic resource
[16:40] <MysticReverie> No I have Ubuntu comfortable running, I'm mor ewilling t odig around - at my leisure to improve my knowledge and experience. Everything is working , so I can just relax and read about stuff when the fancy takes me.
[16:41] <MysticReverie> Sorry, I must improve my typing
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> MysticReverie: good base to live on
[16:41] <MysticReverie> Hmm
[17:00] <MysticReverie> Back in a bit, Bye for now ;)
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys belgium-france tonight!
[18:10] <leftyfb> Is this "new install goes right to GRUB recovery" a big problem right now or are we just getting the same person asking the same question for days now?
[18:11] <daftykins> lol
[19:10] <pauljw> hi everyone
[19:11] <Jonta> pauljw: Hi
[19:12] <pauljw> hi Jonta
[20:21] <EriC^^> evening all
[20:58] <EriC^^> tomreyn: wow another guy with grub issues today same problem it seems
[20:58] <EriC^^> his /boot/efi http://termbin.com/db4ue
[20:59] <EriC^^> efi/grub is populated but efi/ubuntu just has the fwupdate tool
[21:00] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: We just had a huge grub update .. related ?
[21:01] <EriC^^> maybe, i dunno
[21:03] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Me neither .. we have seen a rash of grub breakage in the forum this day also .
[21:03] <EriC^^> aha
[21:04] <EriC^^> just 18.04?
[21:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Lemme check if only 18.04.
[21:07] <oerheks> only fiefox today, on 17.10....
[21:16] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Yep .. most of them are 18.04 ... I installed the grub updates ( ubuntu and xubuntu as well as x18.10 ) with no issues here .
[21:42] <oerheks> how odd people comming back without registering
[21:42] <daftykins> laziness abound :)
[21:44] <EriC^^> odd, both the guys had an almost empty /etc/default/grub
[21:56] <Bashing-om> A quick look and effected grub appears to be UEFI related on the forum .


[03:56] <VisualAssassin> whatsup everyone, long time
[04:01] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/nom3v/suicidal_linux_the_only_thing_you_have_to_lose_is/
[13:03] <brousch> so wrong, but i love it
[13:03] <brousch> http://laughingsquid.com/christmas-defecation-traditions-in-catalonia/
[15:02] <Blazeix> yep, definitely not clicking that link.
[15:06] <snap-l> Blazeix: hah
[15:38] <brousch> Blazeix: it's just some harmless pooping figurines and log beating
[15:47] <rick_h__> brousch: only you would find that link
[18:55] <greg-g> merry xmas eve
[19:36] <_stink_> you too!
[19:36] <_stink_> but not the rest of you jerks.
[19:36] <_stink_> :P
[21:13] <n0p> whats the scoop on this unity and/or gnome shell thing, do people actually like this?
[21:13] <snap-l> I use UNity.
[21:13] <n0p> i'm not getting it so far, actually getting frustrated
[21:14] <n0p> did you change your workflow to use it?
[21:14] <snap-l> Well, I stopped using focus follows mouse
[21:14] <n0p> i think i'm so engrained in things like desktops (to the left/right)
[21:15] <n0p> been trying to figure out how to customize things (like hide that side menu thingy, etc)  looks like quite a bit of tweaking required
[21:15] <snap-l> It's not that difficult to customize.
[21:16] <n0p> ok
[21:16] <n0p> i've tried rigth clicking on everything hoping for prefs, but no go
[21:16] <n0p> i'll go rtfm'ing, but my initial tought was ick
[21:16] <snap-l> Check askubuntu.com
[21:17] <snap-l> don't have a link roght now, but there's a customization thread on there.
[21:17] <snap-l> That'll get you started.
[21:17] <n0p> yeah, saw there looked like a bit of stuff on omgubuntu
[21:18] <n0p> just scanned it, stated like, nothing out of the box, you have to install x and y
[21:18] <snap-l> yeah, unfortunately.
[21:19] <n0p> i;ll have to make a chc and see how your workflow is ;-)
[21:19] <snap-l> Heh
[21:19] <n0p> may end up going the way of rick_h__, lookout awesome :-D
[21:19] <n0p> cool, well merry chirstmas!
[21:21] <snap-l> You too!
[21:42] <brousch> n0p: join us in kubuntuland
[21:42] <brousch> it's easily customized over here
[22:45] <greg-g> hey, merry christmas n0p ! (and snap-l and brousch and rick_h__ and Blazeix and jcastro and jrwren and Wolfger and ColonelPanic001 and _stink_ and jjesse )
[22:50] <brousch> greg-g: that's tomorrow d00d
[23:37] <snap-l> greg-g: Thank you, though. :)
[23:38] <snap-l> and a very Merry Christmas to you all
[23:38] <snap-l> y'all rule.


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[08:41] <tjaalton> fossfreedom: did you ever test the 32bit kernel I built?
[08:47] <tjaalton> I'll update the bug
[11:12] <mdeslaur> is anyone from the SRU team available to push an emergency package?
[11:12] <mdeslaur> apw: ^
[11:13] <mdeslaur> rbasak, tjaalton ^
[11:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nginx (bionic-proposed/main) [1.14.0-0ubuntu1.4 => 1.14.0-0ubuntu1.5] (ubuntu-server)
[11:14] <tjaalton> yes
[11:14] <tjaalton> mdeslaur: which one?
[11:14] <mdeslaur> hi tjaalton, nginx
[11:14] <tjaalton> okay
[11:15] <mdeslaur> it got built without openssl 1.1.1 because openssl isn't in -security yet
[11:15] <mdeslaur> so I need to build it in -proposed, sanity check it, then release it
[11:15] <mdeslaur> all today
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted nginx [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.14.0-0ubuntu1.5]
[11:17] <mdeslaur> thanks tjaalton
[11:18] <tjaalton> yw
[12:00] <mdeslaur> tjaalton: hi! I tested the nginx package, it works ok and fixes my regression. Could you please release it to -updates?
[12:02] <tjaalton> sure
[12:05] <mdeslaur> thanks tjaalton
[13:11] <juliank> mdeslaur: /me goes update nginx on his vps
[13:13] <juliank> So basically, packages that are linked against openssl 1.1.1 in updates need two uploads for security and updates
[13:14] <mdeslaur> juliank: yeah, hopefully we'll be able to copy over openssl+zillion packages into -security next week so this insanity will end
[13:14] <mdeslaur> I honestly completely forgot about it when I did the nginx update this week
[13:17] <juliank> I don't think I care a lot really, because my nginx config has tls1.3 enabled anyway
[13:17] <juliank> (I also don't understand why people would turn it off, but that's another topic)
[14:31] <teward> juliank: re: turning off TLS1.3: policies
[14:32] <teward> HIPAA, PCI DSS Compliance, etc. all disallow TLS 1.3
[14:32] <teward> mdeslaur: tjaalton: thanks for the rapid response to handling the nginx 'regression' that was reported
[14:34] <juliank> mdeslaur: teward: A problem I guess is that unattended-upgrades probably still pulls in the security update, and ignores the one in updates
[14:34] <juliank> though I haven't trie
[14:34] <teward> you mean apt
[14:34] <teward> the issue is versionings
[14:34] <juliank> apt is fine
[14:35] <mdeslaur> juliank: yes, but it wouldn't get openssl 1.1.1 yet
[14:35] <teward> if version in security is higher than version in updates it pulls from security
[14:35] <teward> which doesn't have 1.1.1 openssl yet
[14:35] <teward> so it builds against 1.1.0
[14:35] <teward> hence the need to rebuild AND version bump in -updates for now
[14:35] <juliank> teward: unattended-upgrades only pulls from security, it ignores -updates
[14:35] <teward> to get it to pick up on the TLS1.3 symbols and such from OpenSSL.
[14:35] <teward> juliank: you can configure it to do otherwise
[14:35] <teward> but you're right
[14:36] <juliank> So if you upgraded nginx to updates; unattended-upgrades will still install the broken upgrade I think
[14:36] <teward> that's a "manual sysadmin intervention" headache until 1.1.1 is available in -security as well as -updates
[14:36] <teward> mdeslaur: i think you said a tentative ETA of next week on that?
[14:37] <mdeslaur> I was planning on seeing what still needs to be done on monday...I think we're just waiting on the ruby2.5 SRU
[15:10] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: If you wouldn't mind re-reviewing raysession, I'd appreciate it. It would be good to have some input if there are more changes to be made so those changes can get in before FF.
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> Additionally, I have seed changes to make when raysession gets greenlighted since it means I can remove some rather obsolete software from the Ubuntu Studio seed since raysession replaces that.
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gce-compute-image-packages (bionic-proposed/universe) [20190522-0ubuntu1~18.04.0 => 20190801-0ubuntu1~18.04.0] (ubuntu-cloud)
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[16:51] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: did you run lintian -I over the source?
[16:51] <vorlon> I: raysession source: wildcard-matches-nothing-in-dep5-copyright src/clients/jackpatch/jacklib.py (paragraph at line 9)
[16:52] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: src/clients/jackpatch/jacklib.py is a symlink to src/shared/jacklib.py so it's actually the same file and I won't block on this, but it's a bit odd
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, that is odd. I did, but I guess I didn't consider it an issue since it's a symlink. (memory gets fuzzy with the wait).
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> Also, I would've been certain teward would've run it.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: ^
[16:54] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: didn't consider it an issue> ok, but it would've been straightforward to fix the message by using the canonical path of the file
[16:54] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Good point. If you'd like me to fix it, I'd be okay for that, but I'd need teward to responsor.
[16:55] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: I think you should fix it, but I'm not blocking on it
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> Ok. Will do for the next upload then (whenever that is).
[16:56] <teward> vorlon: i noticed that, but I was headscratching as it LOOKED like it was there.  That's an oversight on my part, I apologize.  Odd that it's a symlink though...
[16:56] <teward> (it's always those pesky minor things that get me >.<)
[16:56] <teward> vorlon: from within the sbuild environment chroot I was using, it didn't *appear* as a symlink so I guess that's my bad?
[16:56] <teward> again?
[16:57] <teward> (I'm also running around like a chicken with its head cut off, major networking outage at the workplace)
[16:57] <teward> (so...)
[16:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted raysession [source] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Thank you, vorlon!
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[18:55] <vorlon> Eickmeyer, teward: why is raysession not an Arch: all package?
[18:55] <vorlon> I: raysession: arch-dep-package-has-big-usr-share 5159kB 100%
[18:59] <teward> as Eickmeyer told me it's because the deps arent in all archs
[18:59] <teward> and he intentionally only specified the archs that it should build for
[18:59] <Eickmeyer> teward: No, I said it builds on all archs.
[18:59] <teward> then why did you not set arch all which is why I ASKED you why the arch setting was otherwise
[19:00] <teward> that's a miscommunication in that case the way you explained it was "it was set this way intentionally" basically
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> It's set to any. You may have been referring to lsp-plugins or dfp-plugins at the time.
[19:00] <Eickmeyer> I can change it to all.
[19:01]  * Eickmeyer needs to learn the difference between any and all
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Can you tell me the difference between any and all?
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> teward: It's set to any, we were talking about lsp-plugins or dfp-plugins at the time you asked abou the arch settings.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Additionally, that seems to be a wishlist lintian tag, which is why I didn't catch it.
[19:09] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: 'all' means there is a single binary package built that works on all architectures. 'any' means the package is expected to be portable to all architectures, but each binary package contains architecture-specific contents generated at build-time (e.g. with a compiler)
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Then wouldn't "any" be more appropriate?
[19:09] <vorlon> this appears to be 'all' in nature, and I'd rather get that resolved rather than accepting the current per-arch binaries, since they'll just be a hassle to remove afterwards via proposed-migration
[19:10] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: why?
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> Ok, I'll change it to all. Please reject.
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> vorlon, teward^
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected raysession [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected raysession [s390x] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected raysession [arm64] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected raysession [i386] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected raysession [armhf] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> teward: Fix pushed, could you upload ASAP?
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected raysession [ppc64el] (eoan-proposed) [0.7.2-0ubuntu1]
[19:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: rejected linux-firmware-dragonboard410 [source] (eoan-proposed) [88-0ubuntu1]
[19:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted golang-1.12-race-detector-runtime [amd64] (eoan-proposed) [0.0+svn332029-0ubuntu1]
[19:34] <teward> Eickmeyer: putting out workplace networking fires still cant atm will push later in, say, 2 hours?
[19:35] <teward> if I am lucky
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> teward: Works for me.
[20:16] <bryce> vorlon, btw, php ffe is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-defaults/+bug/1840334
[20:17] <bryce> vorlon, I'm out next week but looking to start on it Aug 26th