[02:41] <qwebirc19633> HELLO WORLS
[02:41] <qwebirc19633> Any one here
[02:41] <qwebirc19633> huhh
[02:42] <qwebirc19633> ;ls


[01:07] <ObrienDave> is anyone having issues with network-manager crashing?
[01:10] <ObrienDave> sheesh, have reinstalled 6 or 7 times. no joy
[01:35] <ObrienDave> LOL people, super bowl is NEXT sunday. NO snoozing today
[03:21] <xubuntu95w> is fglrx compatible with 16.04 LTS?
[03:30] <xubuntu95w> looks like fglrx is not compatible with 4.3.0 kernel built in 16.04. Can i use 4.2.0 kernel from wily repo?
[03:58] <RoadRunner> when I run a command "apt-get install appname" does it search for the latest app version available only from Ubuntu software center or also from all the relevant ppa's I've added?
[04:03] <RoadRunner> also, with an app like clamav, where having the very latest ver is a very good idea, how much of a chance is there that if I get this latest version, not tested by Canonical, it may conflict with Xubuntu?
[04:31] <q345667352> ?
[04:36] <q345667352> Who knows. "/etc/fstab" Correctly so: defaults, subvol=@,compress-force=lzo
[04:36] <q345667352> or so defaults, subvol=@, compress-force=lzo? Or not important
[04:37] <q345667352> defaults,subvol=@,compress-force=lzo
[04:37] <q345667352> or defaults,subvol=@, compress-force=lzo
[04:50] <q3456743>  problem restart chat
[04:50] <q3456743> Who knows. "/etc/fstab" Correctly so defaults,subvol=@, compress-force=lzo
[04:50] <q3456743> or so: defaults,subvol=@, compress-force=lzo? Or not important
[04:55] <q3456743> sorry, a space after the comma necessary or not.
[05:00] <q3456743> for btrfs
[05:02] <krytarik> q3456743: Not.
[05:02] <krytarik> !fstab
[05:11] <q3456743> How me know that the compression is working? Before i used the command defragmentation + compression "sudo btrfs fil def -clzo -v -r /". I used a "space" in fstab, but Xubuntu has started without any problems.
[05:12] <q3456743> sudo btrfs fi def -clzo -v -r /
[05:15] <q3456743> i use this: btrfs   defaults,subvol=@, compress-force=lzo 0
[05:15] <q3456743> and btrfs   defaults,subvol=@home, compress-force=lzo 0
[05:28] <xubuntu96w> I uninstalled an application, yet the icon remains in the application menu. I cannot remove this icon via the menu editor because it doesn't show up.
[05:28] <xubuntu96w> However, it still is visible in the menu itself. There's no icon, put the text next to what would be the icon is there.
[05:29] <xubuntu96w> *but the text
[05:31] <xubuntu96w> Anyone know how to remove the application shortcut from the menu, perhaps from a command?
[06:39] <q3456743> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html - no website
[13:54] <GeekDude> What is the best/prettiest way for generating a battery life statistics graph? IBAM sounds close to what I want, but I thought I'd check in here to see if you guys had any recommendations.
[14:41] <jarnos_> I cannot get Xfce session opened. xfdesktop takes a lot of CPU.
[14:44] <jarnos_> After login just black screen.
[14:49] <jarnos_> after a while cpu usage drops, but still black screen.
[14:53] <GeekDude> jarnos_, Are you able to log into a guest session?
[15:12] <jarnos_> GeekDude, yes
[15:18] <jarnos_> BTW, I hate it, when you can not get back to same guest session after suspend to ram or after locking by light-locker or xscreensaver.
[15:19] <jarnos_> And I hate that the are both running in guest session, if you have them installed.
[15:20] <jarnos_> Can you change some settings of guest session as superuser?
[15:21] <jarnos_> So that e.g. a script is used at every login to set graphics mode intelligently.
[15:23] <GeekDude> I'm not sure. I honestly don't know too much about this, though I think it might be better to focus on getting your regular user working?
[15:32] <vidnas> Hi Everyone
[15:34] <vidnas> Ive just installed Xubuntu on my mid 2011 mac mini, and i'm having major tearing issues.  Ive done a bit of searching and the most frequent suggestion is to switch compositors to Compton.  Is that the best thing to do?
[15:35] <vidnas> the mac mini I am on using an integrated intel graphics card
[15:51] <GeekDude> vidnas, It may be worth checking first if the built in compositor's vertical blank synchronization works for you
[15:52] <GeekDude> There should be a checkbox for it in "Settings -> Window Manager Tweaks -> Compositor"
[15:52] <GeekDude> Afterwards, I've heard it's sometimes required to logout/reboot
[15:54] <jarnos_> GeekDude, it figured it out. It was a faulty custom startup script that changed video mode.
[15:54] <vidnas> ok GeekDude, Im gonna try and logout now
[15:55] <GeekDude> jarnos_, Glad to hear
[16:00] <GeekDude> welcome back vidnas
[16:00] <vidnas> sadly, the checkbox made v little difference.  Next question is, how to I locate ~/.config/ ?
[16:01] <GeekDude> In thunar (the default xubuntu file manager) I can just type ~/.config/ into the location box
[16:01] <GeekDude> Or if I want to browse to it manually, I press Control-H to show hidden files, then just click on .config
[16:02] <vidnas> you're a legend GeekDude, thank you
[16:12] <Xubbie96> Hi, how can i apply current user display setup to the login screen? ("system wide")
[16:24] <GeekDude> Xubbie96, Check for LightDM GTK+ settings in the system settings window
[16:55] <Xubbie96> GeekDude: i dont find anything in there related to the screen
[17:02] <xubuntu62w> Hi everyone, I asked this question last night, but had to leave, so I'll aslk again: does anyone know how to remove a shorcut from the applications menu if it doesn't show up in the menu editor?
[17:03] <xubuntu62w> I uninstalled an application, but the applications menu shorcut remains. The icon is no longer visible because I removed it manually, but the text is there.
[17:03] <xubuntu62w> *shortcut
[17:04] <krytarik> xubuntu62w: Look in your '~/.local/share/applications'.
[17:07] <xubuntu62w> That took care of it
[17:08] <xubuntu62w> Thank you @krytarik
[17:11] <GeekDude> This is concerning to say the least. I've installed libpam-fprintd, and am quite satisfied with it. However, I've noticed that fprintd-enroll lets you enroll your fingerprints as a regular user (i.e. not su)
[17:12] <GeekDude> It's concerning because the fingerprint can be used in lieu of a password when using sudo, so anyone can enroll their fingerprint then perform administrator activities if I accidentally forget to lock my session
[17:13] <GeekDude> Though I suppose you can't do that remotely, and if they already have physical access...
[17:18] <GeekDude> Still, makes me a little uneasy
[18:01] <ANTRAX> http://ppp95-165-155-168.pppoe.spdop.ru/Milky%20Way/Earth/Russia/
[18:07] <ANTRAX> http://ppp95-165-155-168.pppoe.spdop.ru/Sektor%20Gaza/
[18:13] <krytarik> ANTRAX: What are you doing there?
[18:13] <ANTRAX> https://vk.com/securitydynamics
[18:13] <krytarik> Please stop spamming.
[18:27] <teward> is there a default-shipped IRC client in xubuntu-desktop?
[18:30] <rww> assuming pidgin doesn't count, there hasn't been a default-shipped IRC client in Xubuntu since 14.10
[18:34] <m3n3chm0> rww mmm i'm using Xchat
[18:35] <m3n3chm0> ii  xchat                    2.8.8-7.3ubuntu1  amd64             IRC client for X similar to AmIRC
[18:35] <rww> that's tangential to whether it's included by default or not
[18:35] <m3n3chm0> not included by default
[19:41] <RoadRunner> anyone found a ppa with ClamAV ver 0.99 yet (or any other easy source of it without compiling)?
[19:41] <xangua> Did you search in Launchpad.net?
[19:42] <RoadRunner> perhaps I am inept but I didn't...
[19:42] <teward> i could always do a no-changes rebuild in a PPA.  *has too many PPAs heh*
[19:42] <teward> s/rebuild/backport/
[19:46] <RoadRunner> teward: could you please explain that one?
[19:47] <teward> after my internet stops derping :)
[19:48] <RoadRunner> xangua: sorry, I misread your answer; yes I did check Launchpad.net but couldn't find ver 0.99
[19:51] <teward> RoadRunner: well, i'm currently running a build of ClamAV 0.99 from Debian Unstable in a PPA.  Not 100% sure it won't blow up on me.  What release are you on?  (14.04, 15.04, etc.)
[19:51] <teward> s/15.04/15.10/
[19:51] <RoadRunner> 14.04
[19:52] <RoadRunner> I guess that's the question, when getting something not provided by Canonical, how do we know its not a time bomb of sorts?
[19:52] <teward> you don't?
[19:52] <teward> that's the risk with PPAs
[19:52] <teward> !ppa
[19:53] <teward> though, there are certain PPAs that are OK, though meh
[19:53] <teward> in this case, i'm pulling this right from Debian into a PPA, so... :)
[19:53] <teward> slow though 'cause my internet sucks here
[19:53] <teward> (my VPNing to my home is probably the bottleneck)
[19:56] <RoadRunner> I hear you with ppa's; its just with antiviral soft, it pays to be current and I am surprized that the latest clamav engine isn't easily availbale yet
[19:56] <teward> RoadRunner: well, let's consider the release process of Ubuntu (and flavors) variants
[19:56] <teward> there's a version freeze at some point
[19:56] <teward> and then that's what's there unless someone can find good reason to SRU
[19:56] <teward> without that, PPAs are kind of the only options left
[19:57] <teward> on the Server team where my focus is, I do PPAs for nginx upstream versions, basing them off Debian to some extent, but providing the different nginx upstream versions on a rolling(ish) basis
[19:57] <teward> i do that for myself with regards to Wireshark too, but mem
[19:57] <teward> meh*
[19:57] <teward> RoadRunner: with regards to ClamAV, I hear you though.
[19:58] <teward> eheheheheeh, libsystemd-dev
[19:58] <aicasn> hey folks. i use to use synaptic as an easier way (vs. cli) to remove old kernel images and headers. synaptic doesn't appear to be part of base anymore after trusty. is there a new/better way to clean up stale kernel packages? thanks
[19:58] <teward> RoadRunner: well, 0.99 will have a build dependency problem on Trusty - it requires systemd
[19:58] <teward> apparently
[19:59] <teward> so...
[20:00] <teward> RoadRunner: https://launchpad.net/~teward/+archive/ubuntu/clamav/+build/8925588 and https://launchpad.net/~teward/+archive/ubuntu/clamav/+build/8925589 if you're curious about how I know that; for the most part though that's a big blocking issue there, if they need systemd
[20:00] <RoadRunner> teward: sorry for newbie questions, but what's systemd and why is that a problem?
[20:01] <teward> RoadRunner: systemd is the backend of the 'init' and services system handling in Vivid+, and since ClamAV 0.99 requires SystemD, which is not available in Trusty, it's not going to work right in a backport
[20:01] <teward> where a backport is what i was doing that is :)
[20:02] <teward> RoadRunner: Basically, ClamAV 0.99 won't work in Trusty as-is.  Probably why there's no PPAs with it
[20:03] <xangua> aicasn: you can install synaptic from repositories and apt-get autoremove should remove unused kernels
[20:05] <RoadRunner> teward: hmm, so systemd is not just some package you can install on trusty to make it accept clam .99?
[20:05] <teward> nope
[20:05] <teward> systemd on trusty without a LOT of retooling of everything in the system will effectively drop a nuke on your computer.
[20:05] <teward> and you're then stuck with mostly-broken Trusty
[20:06] <teward> (that applies to all variants, not just Xubuntu)
[20:06] <aicasn> xangua: i thought it did, but it doesn't atm. i have 8 or 9 old kernels hogging up my boot lvm
[20:08] <RoadRunner> so to make a long story short, people that chose an LTS version (obviously for reasons of stability and security) are stuck with an outdated antivirus engine that can't be upgraded? That sounds like a new high in linux security!
[20:08] <teward> !antivirus
[20:08] <teward> ^ that
[20:08] <teward> hate to say that but
[20:10] <RoadRunner> teward: in my case, files are passed to windows computers (which are currently running clamav .99) but then it seems that clam on my lin box is pointless because its older than my win defender
[20:12] <teward> RoadRunner: it'd be a Security concern if ClamAV were shipped with all the ISOs, but it's an optional package - you can either use the version available, or use a PPA with 0.98, or not use ClamAV
[20:12] <teward> not sure if Xubuntu has it as a required item, but i don't see it in the deps there
[20:12] <teward> in any case, i hear you, you're preaching to the converted, but there ain't anything anyone can do
[20:12] <teward> LTS sacrifices latest versions and features for stability :)
[20:14] <RoadRunner> teward: in other words, a trade off: stability for security in my case :(...
[20:14] <teward> RoadRunner: hate to say it, but that's out of my judgement zone
[20:15] <RoadRunner> then, in your opinion, is using .98 such a big issue or am I splitting heirs?
[20:16] <teward> RoadRunner: i think you're just splitting hairs, so long as you keep the definitions updated (with freshclam)
[20:16] <RoadRunner> hope you are right ;)
[20:17] <teward> RoadRunner: the better option is to not share files with Windows, but i'll save you my tirade on why windows is bad
[20:17] <teward> s/save you my/spare you from my/
[20:19] <RoadRunner> another q, I realize that most viruses are writen for windows but some dedicated (corporate?) SOB could right a nasty for *nix and so, why not be protected?
[20:19] <RoadRunner> *wright :)
[20:20] <teward> RoadRunner: market share on corporate environments leans in favor of Windows as the server / domain base, I have yet to see *nix backends and *nix systems as end-user systems as a market majority
[20:20] <teward> the probability of someone writing a nasty for *nix that would get onto a corporate system, given adequate privilege separation (i.e. don't go running around as superuser lol), would be negligible
[20:21] <teward> though, if you go around using your computer as 'root' all the time you've got a bigger problem than proper virus protection
[20:23] <RoadRunner> teward: again, I realize *nix is inherently more secure than win; what I am saying is, as *nix gains in popularity, corps (and govs?) will see it as more of a threat and may want to move against it
[20:24] <teward> RoadRunner: that's a given.  Your point?
[20:24] <teward> ClamAV should always be kept up to date?
[20:24] <teward> that's one of fifty thousand virus protection solutions
[20:24] <teward> most of which are proprietary, closed-source
[20:24] <teward> and ClamAV doesn't have autoprotect like Linux does, and to install a nasty you'd have to do some pretty nasty privilege escalations to get to anywhere that a true nasty could really do damage
[20:25] <teward> s/Linux does/other protection solutions, at least on Windows, do/
[20:25] <teward> RoadRunner: you're also trying to convince an IT security person that security is important
[20:25] <RoadRunner> :)
[20:25] <teward> so lets keep it in mind that I am a security person, though not for Ubuntu, so convincing me of that point won't help you
[20:26] <RoadRunner> glad I am talking to the right expert :)
[20:26] <teward> so lets move on to the core of your argument: *nix is gaining popularity.  This is true.  ClamAV is one of many virus protection solutions.  Corporations tend to prefer paid solutions to the open-source solutions in many cases.
[20:27] <teward> However, because proper privilege escalation exists in *nix already (enhanced by SELinux and other solutions even further), it'd be ***very difficult*** for a competitor or other corporation (exclude nation-states for now) to get such nasty viruses into a Linux distribution
[20:27] <teward> standard users don't have the ability to install or execute that code, likely
[20:27] <teward> admins aren't that stupid, typically, to install random items
[20:28] <teward> you're still going to have to exploit a target system to try and get privileges to install such 'nasty' code, and if you have such a vulnerability for someone else to exploit, you should not be concerned with Virus Protection, and instead the security updates, patching, and protection strategies in place
[20:28] <teward> so do I think antivirus being up-to-date is important? Absolutely.
[20:29] <teward> do I think it's absolutely necessary on every *nix system?  No, because privilege escalation in a properly set up environment is very difficult short of exploits, and finding those exploits is even harder because corporations tend to have proper security policies and privilege separations in place
[20:29] <teward> and I excluded nation-states because that's a different argument (though it follows some similar paths)
[20:29] <teward> now i've written a security rant, so i'm going to go find coffee
[20:30] <teward> my apologies for hijacking the #xubuntu channel for my mini tirade :)
[20:30] <RoadRunner> may I ask what entity you do security work for?
[20:31] <teward> private cybersecurity firm.
[20:31] <RoadRunner> ok
[20:31] <teward> though, this information i just spit out would be information known to any Linux sysadmin, really, who works in the corporate world :P_
[20:31] <teward> s/any Linux sysadmin/any competent Linux sysadmin/
[20:32] <teward> but given the current market share is Windows dominated, the current target for such exploits you mentioned is Windows.  Yes, *nix will get there eventually.  It's not there yet as a target for all attackers, corporate espionagers, etc.
[20:32] <teward> again, apologies for hijacking the #xubuntu channels :)
[20:32]  * teward disappears back into the shadows
[20:36] <RoadRunner> you sound convincing, but you looked at it from a viewpoint of a corp trying to defend itself; what if a corp decides to go on the offensive (resources of say MS are considerable and they already have a history of class action suits against them); or in case of a gov deciding to curtail ind freedoms (read somewhere not long ago about US considering curtailing Linux)...
[20:37] <RoadRunner> then it is up to an individual to defend themselfs against a stronger opponent, and then the only hope is open source and strength in numbers, wouldn't you agree?
[20:37] <teward> RoadRunner: this is probably a better discussion for #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:37] <teward> since #xubuntu is for support mainly :)
[20:37] <teward> not my monologues on security :)
[20:38] <RoadRunner> teward: we have hijacked the channel, haven't we :)?
[20:38] <RoadRunner> sorry world :)
[20:38] <teward> hence my earlier apologies :)
[20:39] <RoadRunner> so to wrap it up and come back to tech support; you feel that I, as a regular user, don't need to do anything else now to ensure my linux security?
[20:41] <teward> RoadRunner: yes, that's my belief.  Or eradicate Windows from the equation.
[20:41] <RoadRunner> teward: thanks :)
[20:48] <RoadRunner> and now a different newbie question; how to create a share?
[20:49] <RoadRunner> for a LAN...
[20:52] <RoadRunner> if my question is too simple, it shouldn't take long to explain the answer :)
[21:53] <RoadRunner> Interacting with Window comps is a must on my LAN.  I can see win shares but how do I share directories on linux for them to be seen by windows comps?
[21:54] <knome> !samba
[22:01] <GeekDude> knome, On a scale of one to ten, how concerning is it that (via fprind-enroll) someone with only a few seconds access to my (logged in) laptop can have immediate root access?
[22:03] <GeekDude> I should probably disable autologin
[22:08] <RoadRunner> knome: ubottu's 1st link talked about mounting win shares "permanently", what does that mean?
[22:09] <RoadRunner> ie: is that somehow diff from how they are accessed/seen by Thunar by default?
[22:11] <GeekDude> RoadRunner, In thunar you can mount/unmount them, but that must be done manually after logging in.
[22:12] <GeekDude> Doing it through fstab as shown on that documentation page mounts the share permanently (i.e. you can't unmount via thunar) at boot
[22:13] <RoadRunner> right now, I can see win shares without doing anything additional at all manually or otherwise (and I don't think I've done any changes to default instal)
[22:15] <GeekDude> Yeah. Mounting a windows share permanently would be useful for daemons or servers that need to access the data on a network share, but for a regular user it is mostly useless
[22:15] <GeekDude> Mounting them normally via thunar (or other file manager) works fine for regular use
[22:16] <RoadRunner> so I should just be concerned with Samba setup for my lin sharing right?
[22:17] <GeekDude> Yeah, that first link seems largely irrelevant to what you're doing.
[22:18] <GeekDude> What I generally do when setting up a system to play nicely with my Windows systems is I install samba, libnss-winbind, and system-config-samba
[22:18] <GeekDude> Samba for making my own shares, libnss-winbind for name services integration (so I can ping my windows machines by host name), and system-config-samba for a nice GUI to configure samba
[22:19] <RoadRunner> the only thing that's "uncomfortable" about the way Thunar shows win shares is that they are not visible in a tree; is there a way to change that?
[22:23] <GeekDude> What exactly do you mean by a tree? Similar to how Windows explorer has a tree on the left?
[22:25] <RoadRunner> yep
[22:27] <GeekDude> Not that I'm aware
[22:28] <GeekDude> Side not about system-config-samba. The shortcut for it in the whisker menu will not work correctly unless you also install gksu
[22:31] <RoadRunner> the samba link given by ubotu above talks about configuring samba through terminal; after installing system-config-samba, I guess there will an easier way to do it?
[22:33] <RoadRunner> so gksu is a package that is needed for system-config-samba to work right?
[22:43] <RoadRunner> GeekDude: i did apt search for samba and a bunch of stuff got listed (same for libnss-winbind); I don't recall installing it bfr, could it be a part of the default instal for Xubutu 14.04?
[22:46] <Guest233> hello world!
[22:51] <Luyin> hi Guest233
[23:18] <GeekDude> RoadRunner, searching apt often returns a bunch of packages, especially those that are even tangentially related in any way. It's not indicative of the software already being installed, however
[23:18] <GeekDude> gksu is not strictly required; if you modify the menu entry to use sudo and run in a terminal you don't need gksu
[23:23] <knome> (besides you shouldn't use gksu anyway)
[23:40] <GeekDude> Yeah
[23:51] <RoadRunner> gents, I am a little confused... so the final recomendation for me is not to instal gksu?
[23:58] <knome> RoadRunner, yes; optimally, the package maintainer updated the package to work with pkexec
[23:59] <RoadRunner> knome: regretably, now I have to ask what is pkexec?


[03:20] <wspardaw> any bug control member who can help me set a bug to whislist?
[03:20] <wspardaw> it is a request rather than a bug
[17:36] <bil21al> helo does ubuntu 11.10 works on  tablet laptops like hp pavilion entertainment pcs?


[00:35] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, turned out to be a different test suite brendan was getting failures on that was trying to use keys on the numberpad layout that don't exist (but of course worked with the fake keyboard)
[00:54] <LightningMods> can anyone give me the boot.img for falcon (moto g) as the link was taken down
[00:56] <LightningMods> can anyone give me the boot.img for falcon (moto g) as the link was taken down
[00:56] <LightningMods> for ubuntu touch
[02:41] <kenvandine> Elleo, ah
[04:59] <TonyBoston> I can not update Apps anymore, it just doesn't start downloading
[04:59] <TonyBoston> are there any known issues on that?
[06:54] <dholbach> good morning
[06:56] <TonyBoston> dholbach moin
[06:56] <dholbach> hey TonyBoston
[06:57] <TonyBoston> do you know of an issue where touch can't download updates anymore?
[06:57] <TonyBoston> I have that since two days
[07:02] <dholbach> TonyBoston, is that with apps or system updates?
[07:05] <TonyBoston> dholbach thats with apps
[07:05] <dholbach> TonyBoston, you could try to re-add your ubuntu one account
[07:06] <TonyBoston> dholbach okay, trying that now
[07:08] <TonyBoston> dholbach that did the trick, thanks. must be a bug though
[07:08] <dholbach> yes
[07:08] <dholbach> beuno, ^
[07:09] <TonyBoston> dholbach is there a documentation on how to ssh into the device and the location of logs to file a bug?
[07:11] <dholbach> enable developer mode in the settings, plug it in via usb and use phablet-shell
[07:12] <TonyBoston> dholbach okay, I tried to ssh into the device via wireless lan yesterday and got a privatekey error. I'll try the phablet-shell
[07:13] <dholbach> I always plugged the phone in via usb
[08:50] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheesecake Day! 😃
[09:47] <ogra_> MacSlow, awesome work !
[09:47]  * ogra_ loves the new splash screen
[09:47] <MacSlow> ogra_, ah... that's old... at least for three days in images already ;)
[09:47] <MacSlow> ogra_, but thx :)
[09:47] <ogra_> hmm, i didnt have it on yesterdays upgrade
[09:48]  * ogra_ is on the daily image
[09:48] <MacSlow> ogra_, I think it started being part of r115 from devel-proposed
[09:48] <ogra_> ah, heh, wily
[09:48] <ogra_> nothing anyone should run :P
[09:48] <MacSlow> ogra_, not everybody :)
[09:49] <ogra_> well, if you want a functional phone at least :)
[10:15] <mpt> According to bug 1436063, Ubuntu has a Calendar app. Where is it? I can’t find it in the store.
[10:16] <ogra_> mpt, https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.calendar
[10:19] <mpt> ahh, apparently I’m not connected to the Internet
[10:19] <mpt> The Store was just pretending to search for things, when really it couldn’t
[10:19] <ogra_> sounds like a bug :)
[10:20] <mpt> Yes
[10:21] <mpt> I guess this is 70% my fault because I haven’t designed the fix for bug 1275761
[10:21] <mpt> but 30% the Store showing a bouncy progress bar when it was in fact doing nothing at all
[10:26] <ogra_> yeah
[10:26] <ogra_> (i think thats not store specific, all scopes do that)
[11:28] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~uriboni/webbrowser-app/new-tab-wide-format/revision/1080 is fishy…
[11:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i hate that that file keeps getting built, it always manages to sneak in. i will just revert the file to whatever is in trunk
[11:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: regarding the fullscreen+volume key bug: it is not a Qt only issue. Gtk apps lose focus for a brief moment too when the volume keys are pressed. Seems more like a WM problem
[11:55] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, re revision 1080, it’s not just that the translation template sneaked in, it’s also that the change to debian/control sneaked out…
[11:56] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i just fixed all that. not sure how it did happen
[11:56] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, re the fullscreen issue: how do firefox and chromium behave, as a comparison point?
[11:57] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, and why does loosing focus exit fullscreen mode? maybe that can be fixed?
[12:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: losing focus exits fullscreen mode in both chrome and firefox, but they do not seem to exit fullscreen when the volume keys are pressed. in our browser exiting fullscreen when losing focus is one line of code that we can easily comment out, but i suppose it was put in there for a reason. one easy workaround is to have a timer and exit fullscreen when we lose focus without regaining it for more than, say, 500ms. t
[12:18] <nerochiaro> hat will fix the problem with the volume buttons
[12:29] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, right, the "exiting fullscreen when loosing focus" behaviour is intentional indeed, when switching apps on a device (with e.g. the right edge), and then going back to browser, it is not expected to remain fullscreen
[12:35] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it is also good to have on desktop, and i think my workaround will be a good solution to that problem for now. Ideally we need to figure out why the WM does what it does with the buttons and fix it but I think we can start with the workaround
[13:13] <dholbach> beuno, did you see the comment from TonyBoston about not being able to install updates earlier?
[13:14] <nocturn> Hi MacSlow, we discussed utuntu phone notifications from python yesterday
[13:14] <MacSlow> nocturn, yup
[13:14] <nocturn> Wanted to let you know that I found a way to do it without pynotfy, using gi.repository import Notify
[13:14] <nocturn> which is in the default image
[13:15] <MacSlow> nocturn, yeah... forgot about that... some examples use that already too
[13:15] <pmcgowan> dholbach, app updates? his U1 account needs a new password prolly
[13:15] <nocturn> MacSlow, only one thing remaining, but I think your examples don't do that either
[13:15] <nocturn> I want to get them under the envoloppe icon in the bar
[13:15] <dholbach> pmcgowan, yep, app updates - it looks like re-adding the Ubuntu One account made it work again
[13:16] <MacSlow> nocturn, how do you mean?
[13:16] <dholbach> pmcgowan, is there a reason he might have needed a new password?
[13:16] <nocturn> MacSlow, Instead of a disappearing notification, I want to stick them in the notification list like Telegram and Twitter do
[13:16] <nocturn> so that if you do't see them at the time of creation, they do stay put
[13:17] <MacSlow> nocturn, ah... that's a differnece there... regular (libnotify) vs push notifications
[13:17] <MacSlow> nocturn, push notifications get listed in the message indicator
[13:17] <nocturn> MacSlow, can I only get push notifications there?
[13:17] <pmcgowan> dholbach, you have to have a U1 account to access the store
[13:17] <MacSlow> nocturn, yes
[13:17] <nocturn> I see that they are created with dbus
[13:18] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do you think i should go ahead and implement the timer workaround ?
[13:18] <pmcgowan> dholbach, and the password length was increased and sso added
[13:18] <dholbach> pmcgowan, ah ok, that might have been the issue - I don't know
[13:18] <MacSlow> nocturn, you app can fire both if you want
[13:18] <dholbach> TonyBoston, ^
[13:18] <pmcgowan> its a but of a mystery to me
[13:18] <MacSlow> nocturn, but it's a different dbus-api to talk to
[13:18] <pmcgowan> I didnt expect sso prompt
[13:18] <nocturn> MacSlow, do you have an example of push notifications from python?
[13:19] <MacSlow> nocturn, nope sorry
[13:21] <TonyBoston> huh?
[13:21] <MacSlow> nocturn, but I guess if you grab lp:indicator-messages and look at tests/test-client.py you can borrow some code from there
[13:22] <nocturn> MacSlow, I will check that out!
[13:22] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, are you seeing app updates stuck at 0% downloading?
[13:23] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan I had that this morning but dholbach told me to delete and re-add the U1 account which helped to sort that out
[13:23] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, exactly good
[13:23] <MacSlow> nocturn, another one might be lp:message-app, but it's mostly C++ iirc
[13:24] <MacSlow> nocturn, ehm.. lp:messaging-app I meant
[13:25] <nocturn> MacSlow, checking it out...
[13:36] <kenvandine> mandel, did you see my question about the http status?
[13:36] <kenvandine> mandel, if i change my u1 password, it gets a 200 response with "Unknown Error"
[13:37] <kenvandine> s/if i change/after changing/
[13:38] <kenvandine> mpt, o
[13:38] <kenvandine> mpt, i'm working on the mouse and touchpad UI
[13:38] <mpt> kenvandine, I agree entirely
[13:38] <kenvandine> lol
[13:39] <kenvandine> mpt, i need the image for the eyes open and eyes closed smiley, i assume that's not be done yet?
[13:39] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, it doesn’t hurt to give it a try
[13:40] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, could it be that the notification OSD is taking focus? (and if so, could it be that it’s a bug in notify-osd?)
[13:40] <mpt> kenvandine, correct, but you could use the emoji to start with. That would (a) be ok anyway and (b) motivate visual designers to replace it
[13:41] <mpt> Oh, I never finished that sentence in the spec…
[13:42] <dobey> kenvandine: the "ask for list of updates" HTTP request gives you that 200 if you invalidate your token on login.ubuntu.com?
[13:43] <kenvandine> dobey, yes
[13:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it does not take focus when it delivers a message. so maybe the things tha actually displays the volume notification is not notify-osd ? or it is notify-osd in a different mode ?
[13:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: who might know ? MacSlow maybe ?
[13:43] <dobey> kenvandine: that sounds reasoanble, i don't think you need to be logged in to get the lsit of updates (which, admittedly is slightly odd)
[13:43] <kenvandine> dobey, well i don't get the list of updates though
[13:43] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, yeah, I guess MacSlow would know
[13:43] <dobey> kenvandine: but when you make the HEAD request to get the X-Click-Token value, you should get a 401/403 i think
[13:44] <kenvandine> the errorString in the QNetworkReply is Unknown Error
[13:44] <dobey> kenvandine: how is the updates panel showing a list of updates?
[13:44] <dobey> hmm
[13:44] <kenvandine> but the http status is 200
[13:44] <kenvandine> dobey, it's now showing the list :)
[13:44] <kenvandine> unless this is the bug that was introduced with the fix-network branch :)
[13:44] <dobey> kenvandine: but the bug report is that the list is shown, and the updates just hang
[13:44] <kenvandine> maybe it's unrelated
[13:45] <dobey> i guess that's possible
[13:45] <kenvandine> dobey, yes... mandel had branches that cleaned up a bunch of the network code
[13:45] <kenvandine> and improved error handling
[13:45] <dobey> what's the url for the fix-network branch?
[13:45] <kenvandine> so i based my fix on those branches
[13:45] <dobey> ok, that sounds like a regression in those branches then
[13:46] <mpt> kenvandine, spec updated. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MouseAndTouchpad?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=6>
[13:46] <kenvandine> most likely
[13:46] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/fix-1378678
[13:46] <kenvandine> dobey, that is built on top of both of those branches
[13:46] <dobey> because the system-settings in the current image shows the updates, but they hang when trying to download
[13:46] <dobey> yes, i reviewed your branch :)
[13:46] <kenvandine> when we tried to land the fix-network branch seb128 ran into a regression which mandel is looking into
[13:47] <kenvandine> so i'm thinking it might be the same problem
[13:47] <kenvandine> dobey, if you want to look at the code, just browse that branch :)
[13:47] <dobey> kenvandine: you need to fix your branch to delete the token from online-accounts though
[13:47] <kenvandine> seb128, do you recall the problem you had?  was it not finding the click updates?
[13:48] <kenvandine> dobey, do i need to if i'm prompting the user to login again?
[13:48] <dobey> kenvandine: yes, because online-accounts-ui will just show the existing account and the user will have no idea what is wrong or what to do once it pops up
[13:49] <dobey> at least, that is my understanding of how online-accounts works when there's already an account and it's a type that only supports a single account
[13:49] <kenvandine> i think it'll be prompting to login there, but i need to figure out this issue first
[13:49] <kenvandine> to confirm
[13:54] <pmcgowan> mardy, dbarth__ ^^
[13:55]  * mardy reads
[13:57]  * dbarth__ read but wonders what to do now
[13:58] <dbarth__> dobey: what should oa-ui do instead ?
[13:58] <dbarth__> it feels like it's adding confusion to your scenario
[13:59] <kenvandine> i think my fix will do the right thing
[13:59] <dbarth__> (which i'm still trying to get from the early conversation)
[13:59] <kenvandine> assuming the other problem i ran into gets fixed
[13:59] <kenvandine> i think it's unrelated, but a bug in a prereq branch
[14:00] <dobey> dbarth__: i don't think oa-ui should do anything. it doesn't have the intellegence to know what to do
[14:00] <mardy> dobey: ideally, all this should be handled by the signond plugin for U1 (detecting that the token is expired and informing signond about it, so that a new one will be requested automatically)
[14:01] <dbarth__> dobey: hmm ok, oa won't have enough context
[14:01] <dobey> mardy: u1 isn't using a special signond plug-in; it's using the password back-end
[14:02] <dobey> i should probably kill off the code we have there at this point, as i don't see us getting the time to write a proper signond plug-in at this point, and keeping it will just cause confusion
[14:04] <mardy> dobey: maybe you don't have the time, but I wonder if kenvandine could implement the fix by writing a proper signond plugin, rather then fixing this in u-s-s
[14:04]  * mardy always assumes that kenvandine works 48 hours per day
[14:05] <kenvandine> lol
[14:06] <kenvandine> i think the fix in settings will be easy
[14:06] <mardy> kenvandine: OK; I just wonder if other apps (pay-ui?) will need to have a similar fix, so it might be better to fix it in one place only
[14:06] <mardy> dobey: ^ ?
[14:07] <dobey> mardy: all the scope stuff is fixed already
[14:07] <kenvandine> the network code in settings was aweful, and did virtually nothing with errors
[14:07] <dobey> i don't see how a proper signond plug-in would help here either
[14:07] <kenvandine> mandel had refactored that and made it much better
[14:07] <kenvandine> based on that branch, i think it'll be a simple fix
[14:07] <kenvandine> but his branch has another problem :)
[14:08] <mardy> dobey: if pay-ui already handle the errors gracefully, then indeed this wouldn't help much
[14:09] <dobey> well, signond isn't always running, and the only way we can know a token is invalid, is by checking it against the server; and i don't think that would make sense to do in the signond plug-in
[14:10] <mardy> dobey: the flow would be: 1) the client (u-s-s, pay-ui) asks OA to give an authentication token
[14:10] <mardy> 2) signond loads the U1 plugin, providing it with all the cached data
[14:10] <mardy> 3) the U1 plugin checks with the remote server is the token is valid
[14:11] <mcphail> Is anyone else on krillin/OTA having problems with severe lag, and dbus-daemon consuming huge amounts of CPU?
[14:11] <mardy> 4) if not, the U1 plugin tells signon that it needs a new password
[14:11] <dobey> mardy: seems like a waste, because client apps of any u1 services will still need to handle all the error cases anyway
[14:12] <mardy> 5) signond talks to the OA UI, which opens a trusted session on top of the client app, asking the user for a new password
[14:12] <mardy> dobey: sure, some error handling is still needed, but that's mostly about permanent errors
[14:12] <mardy> dobey: I mean, non recoverable
[14:13] <dobey> mardy: the problem is this creates excessive network traffic, and will only slow the process down, when the token is still valid
[14:13] <dobey> it only optimizes the case where we will know the token is invalid; and there is still time for the token to be invalidated between then, and when the client app actually makes the requests
[14:13] <mardy> dobey: I'm proposing something similar to how the OAuth plugin works: if it sees that the token is expired, it automatically tries to get a new one; of course, the client still needs to check for some errors, such as access denied
[14:14] <dobey> so the client apps will still need to handle the case when the token is invalidated between those two points in time
[14:14] <dobey> mardy: the oauth plug-in hits the network every time someone requests the credentials from signond?
[14:15] <mardy> dobey: no; with OAuth we are given both the access token and an expiration time; until that is valid, we return immediately the cached token
[14:15] <dobey> mardy: right; we don't have token expiration times in u1
[14:16] <mardy> dobey: if the client gets the cached token, and it turns out that it has been revoked by the remote service, the client repeats the authentication and adds a flag ("clear the cached data, it's invalid!")
[14:16] <mardy> dobey: it's not completely hassle free, you see, but it's bearable
[14:16] <dobey> and so this same issue still exists with regular oauth plug-in using apps too; if i go to the web site for the service and delete the token on the server, prior to the expiration time originally given for the token, the client apps are still going to have to deal with the errors in that case
[14:17] <mardy> dobey: indeed
[14:17] <mardy> dobey: but they do it via the same API
[14:17] <dobey> so that's what we're doing here; the client has to clear the data and request a login
[14:17] <ogra_> svij, wow, congrats, you made it onto "cashys blog" with your review !
[14:18] <mardy> dobey: yes, I'm not really trying to convince you; indeed, the advantages would be really minimal
[14:19] <mardy> and the risk of regressions quite high :-)
[14:19] <nerochiaro> MacSlow: hi, when you have a minute can you please ping me ? I have a couple of notify-osd questions for you
[14:19] <dobey> mardy: if that's doable now via the newer OnlineAccountsClient API in a single call, that's fine; but u-s-s needs to be the one making that request
[14:19] <svij> ogra_: hah, I asked him and submitted my review ;)
[14:19] <ogra_> cool
[14:19] <dobey> libubuntuoneauth was written well befre OnlineAccountsClient existed afaik
[14:20] <mardy> dobey: no, as you said, there is no way to avoid having to handle at least the error case where signond thinks that the token is valid, but it isn't (unless we make a network query every time)
[14:21] <dobey> ok
[14:21] <mardy> dobey: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/online-accounts-api/trunk/view/head:/src/lib/OnlineAccounts/authentication_data.h#L48
[14:23] <seb128> kenvandine, right, it was not listing click updates
[14:23] <dobey> ah ok; so we don't really expose the online accounts api via libubuntuoneauth
[14:23] <kenvandine> seb128, ok, that confirms my problem
[14:23] <kenvandine> so i guess that has nothing to do with my error handling :)
[14:24] <dobey> so i guess u-s-s can't do that
[14:24] <dobey> so it would need to call the method in libubuntuoneauth's api to clear the token
[14:26] <faenil> do we have a bug for network-manager dbus causing the phone to freeze 2-3 seconds every 20 seconds?
[14:26] <faenil> (everytime a wifi scan is performed, basically)
[14:28] <faenil> awe_: ^
[14:28] <awe_> faenil, can you be more specific?
[14:28] <awe_> device? channel?  image?
[14:29] <faenil> awe_: it's always been there as far as I can tell
[14:29] <faenil> but anyway
[14:29] <faenil> if you have wifi enabled, and many hotspots in your area
[14:29] <awe_> that's a pretty broad assertion
[14:29] <faenil> try tiping a message
[14:29] <faenil> you'll get interrupted by 2-3 seconds freezes every 15secs or less
[14:29] <awe_> and why do you think it's NM?
[14:29] <faenil> and, exactly in that time
[14:30] <faenil> dbus-monitor is flooded with
[14:30] <faenil> "hey! this accesspoint changed this property!"
[14:30] <faenil> "check it out!" :D
[14:30] <awe_> faenil, if you think it's a bug, then please file it
[14:30] <awe_> with all the supporting details
[14:30] <awe_> ( ie. device, channel, image, steps to reproduce, logs, ... )
[14:30] <faenil> awe_: yeah I was just asking if you guys knew about something similar, as it's so frustrating
[14:31] <awe_> no
[14:31] <awe_> your the first person to ever mention it
[14:31] <faenil> wow, ok
[14:31] <faenil> awe_: I'll take some logs and file a bug this evening when at home
[14:31] <awe_> ok
[14:31] <awe_> thanks
[14:31] <faenil> np :)
[14:31] <faenil> awe_: anything in particular you want me to attach?
[14:31] <awe_> anything you think can prove the bug
[14:32] <awe_> syslog would be a good start
[14:32] <faenil> okay
[14:33] <faenil> awe_: more generic question, have you ever experienced the keyboard getting stuck for 2-3 secs and then processing all the keys at the same time?
[14:33] <awe_> no
[14:33] <awe_> are you on wily?
[14:33] <faenil> no, rc-proposed
[14:33] <faenil> but it's always happened, but recently it got worse I think
[14:33] <mcphail> faenil: do you think that is why I'm getting spikes in dbus-daemon activity and lots of phone lag?
[14:34] <faenil> (maybe it's just because I move to a new flat with more hotsopts nearby)
[14:34] <faenil> mcphail: yay, I'm not crazy
[14:34] <faenil> mcphail: just check dbus-monitor when that happens :)
[14:34] <mcphail> faenil: I can barely type at the terminal when it happens :(
[14:34] <faenil> actually, keep dbus monitor open, and check what it shows when you the phone freezes
[14:34] <faenil> yeah I know, keep it open via ssh
[14:35] <faenil> in my case it keeps printing, even if the phone is frozen
[14:36] <mcphail> faenil: it tends to happen most when I am at work (with no access to SSH). I thought it might be the time from reboot when it started to lag, but wonder if it is due to the change in hotspots etc?
[14:36] <faenil> awe_: I also have the impression that since 2-3 weeks mobile keeps crashing...sympthom: I'm using browser (or telegram, or whatever) all at once mobile signal goes to 0, mobile data disappears, as if there's no SIM. and after 10secs everything is restarted and connection is back
[14:37] <faenil> smells like something crashing and restarting, but I haven't checked properly what happens, yet
[14:37] <faenil> mcphail: you can't plug phone to usb at work?
[14:38] <mcphail> faenil: not to anything useful, no. Heavily locked-down XP desktops only
[14:38] <faenil> ohhh crap, alright
[14:39] <mcphail> I can try at home, but dbus-daemon rarely goes above 20-30% CPU there, whereas I get 98% at work
[14:39] <faenil> I see..
[14:40] <awe_> faenil, are you on vivid or wily?
[14:40] <awe_> and what device(s)?
[14:40] <faenil> awe_: rc-proposed (so vivid), krillin
[14:40] <awe_> if you're seeing problems like this, *please* file bugs
[14:41] <mcphail> hard to pin down, but the only bug I've contributed to on this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1466741
[14:41] <awe_> I haven't seen any reports of issues like that
[14:43] <mcphail> I'm sure it is the frequent mini-lags which are runing my chances of a decent score in "Don't Crash" :)
[14:48] <mcphail> faenil: If you write a bug report I'll try to reproduce your results and +1 it
[14:49] <faenil> awe_: I agree, yes, but I usually wait until I have proper details and logs
[14:51] <faenil> (I should probably ask if it's okay to spend time investigating this stuff during working hours)
[15:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: is there some reliable way in the browser to know if we are on desktop ? browser.wide does not seem to be the correct thing to check to know if we are on a system where notify-osd might be running
[15:52] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, (formFactor == "desktop") is better, although not perfect and not very future-proof
[15:52] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it will do in this case
[15:52] <nerochiaro> thanks
[15:52] <oSoMoN> yw
[16:55] <pmcgowan> !devices
[16:55] <ogra_> pmcgowan, planning to do a port ?
[16:56] <ogra_> :P
[16:56]  * ogra_ is sure pat looks for something to fill his weekends :)
[16:57] <pmcgowan> ogra_, heh no unfortunately
[17:27] <Laibsch> Is Ubuntu phone fully open-source or are there some binary blobs?
[17:27] <Laibsch> I have read http://askubuntu.com/questions/235649/will-ubuntu-phone-os-be-entirely-open-source but it doesn't really answer the question
[17:27] <dobey> there are no 100% open hardware stacks for consumer mobile devices yet
[17:27] <Laibsch> As a Sharp Zaurus collie user way back when I know what it means if your phone is open-source but not totally
[17:28] <Laibsch> dobey: that is not true
[17:28]  * Laibsch points to openmoko
[17:28] <Laibsch> openmoko was fully open-source, but I know it was difficult for them
[17:28]  * dobey reiterates *consumer* mobile devices
[17:28] <Laibsch> hehe
[17:28] <dobey> openmoko was a developer device
[17:28] <ogra_> Lauthere are no open modems ... at leasnt not in any relevant phones on the market
[17:28] <Laibsch> dobey: in that respect the Ubuntu phone is not a *consumer* phone, either
[17:29] <ogra_> same goes for most sensor HW, many GPS chips used in phones etc etc
[17:29] <dobey> ?
[17:29] <Laibsch> Yes, I see.
[17:29] <ogra_> and sadly also for most graphic chipsets used in these phones
[17:29] <dobey> ubuntu phone is a consumer phone
[17:29] <Laibsch> dobey: reviews on the web agree the Ubuntu phone is not ready for consumer use.
[17:30] <ogra_> (though there is at leat some reverse engineering going on)
[17:30] <dobey> at least, the bq/meizu phones are built to be consumer devices
[17:30] <ogra_> Laibsch, not ready doesnt mean it isnt aiming for that market
[17:30] <Laibsch> ogra_: thank you for confirming.  I'm really wishing for a fully open source phone one day.
[17:30] <ogra_> the ubuntu phones are fully usable as day to day devices
[17:31] <ogra_> but nothing i'd give to any whatsapp junkie yet :)
[17:31] <dobey> ogra_: you just need to ween them off the kool-aid
[17:31] <Laibsch> I'm happy to see they are at least attractively priced
[17:31] <ogra_> and convince them to use tekegram :)
[17:31] <ogra_> *tele
[17:32] <Laibsch> Not 500 to 1000 USD I used to pay for the Sharp Z and the openmoko
[17:32] <ogra_> yeah...
[17:32] <ogra_> i assume the actual converged phone will be more expensive though
[17:33] <Laibsch> the one you can use as a desktop/laptop replacement?
[17:33] <Laibsch> I'd be absolutely fine with that
[17:34] <Laibsch> in face, it would be a financially more attractive option even at the 500 USD mark if not too much more than that
[17:34] <Laibsch> fact
[17:34] <ogra_> yeah
[17:34] <dobey> i wouldn't call it a PC replacement
[17:34] <Laibsch> Is that likely to come out in time for X-Mas?
[17:34] <ogra_> well, we'll see i guess :)
[17:34] <Laibsch> hehehe
[17:34] <Laibsch> wishing for a X-Mas present
[17:35] <ogra_> Laibsch, if it comes out around that time it will still have very rough edges
[17:35] <Laibsch> OK
[17:35] <Laibsch> thanks
[17:35] <Laibsch> keep up the fight, I wish you luck
[17:35] <ogra_> :)
[17:52] <Laibsch> Sorry to be back with a follow-up question: What is it that spoke against the Calypso chipset and the Osmocom FOSS baseband? https://www.privacyinternational.org/?q=node/156
[17:53] <popey> the what and the who>
[17:53] <popey> ?
[17:53] <Laibsch> we discussed earlier that the Ubuntu phone like Android will not be open source in critical parts
[17:54] <popey> correct
[17:54] <Laibsch> usually the most difficult one is the baseband
[17:54] <popey> thats a hard problem to solve
[17:54] <popey> yes
[17:54] <popey> we are not big enough to do that
[17:54] <Laibsch> yes, that is where Osmocom comes in
[17:54] <popey> maybe in the future.
[17:55] <Laibsch> so I'd like to ask if it was considered and if so why it was rejected?
[17:55] <popey> i dont think it was considered.
[17:55] <Laibsch> I think I know one of the guys from Osmocom and I'll ask him if he tried to do business with the Ubuntu phone
[17:55] <popey> Unlikely.
[17:56] <popey> We don't actually make the phones
[17:56] <Laibsch> OK, then it would be high time to have it in the next phone and I'd be frantically lining up to get my hands on one, even with rough edges
[17:56] <Laibsch> I am aware of that
[17:56] <Laibsch> But I suppose there is some discussion with the makers?
[17:57] <Laibsch> Maybe Osmocom can make their own or partner with an OEM
[17:57] <Laibsch> I'll discuss it with them
[17:57] <Laibsch> Yes, indeed I remembered correctly that one of the people behind Osmocom is a good friend of mine
[17:59] <DonkeyHotei> it seems that osmocom does not support even 3G let alone 4G
[18:01] <popey> not a huge set of supported devices http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/Phones
[18:01] <popey> all very much from the past
[18:22] <Laibsch1> time to build a more modern version with one of the supported baseband chipsets ;-)
[18:25] <popey> Feel free.
[18:25] <Laibsch> hehe
[18:25] <Laibsch> that's the spirit
[18:25] <Laibsch> time for bed
[18:25] <Laibsch> good night
[19:17] <JanC> hm, is it just me, or is the calendar app totally broken for everybody?
[19:24] <davmor2> JanC: just you, works great here
[19:25] <JanC> davmor2: looking at the bugs in launchpad it hardly works at all, and not just for me...
[19:26] <JanC> times jumping around, etc.
[19:26] <davmor2> JanC: I guess it depends on what you mean by doesn't work it's fine for me
[19:28] <JanC> davmor2: do you use it to add & edit "local" events, or just to look at your google calendar or something like that?
[19:28] <davmor2> JanC: both
[19:29] <JanC> there are at least 3 bugs about this not working and start/end times jumping around in timezone-difference-from-utc increments
[20:08] <TonyBoston> are you guys all using ubuntu as a desktop?
[20:08] <TonyBoston> trying to use adb with fedora
[20:08] <TonyBoston> but I cant find the device
[20:12] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, likely, which device do you have, robably need to tell adb about it
[20:12] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, auaris E5
[20:13] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, I know in the past I have dropped a device code into .android/adb_usb.ini
[20:14] <pmcgowan> echo 0x2a47 >> ~/.android/adb_usb.ini
[20:14] <pmcgowan> $ adb kill-server; adb start-server
[20:14] <TonyBoston> it doesnt even show unrecognized device or omething
[20:15] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, you have the device in developer mode and unlocked
[20:15] <TonyBoston> yep
[20:20] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, do you know if I can change touch variant from within the device?
[20:22] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, what do you mean?
[20:22] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, the branches
[20:24] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, if you mean the image version yeah you can with system-image-cli
[20:24] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, did you try that ini trick above? seems it helped in several cases
[20:25] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, not yet since I guess when it does not show even something with 'adb devices'
[20:26] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, sounds the same as http://askubuntu.com/questions/601324/bq-e4-5-adb-fails
[20:26] <pmcgowan> otherwise I dont know
[20:27] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, okay will try
[20:32] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, alright there we go, thanks
[20:33] <pmcgowan> awesome
[20:33] <alin> question did anyone update ubuntu meizu to plasma mobile?
[20:34] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, could you give me an advice on changing the image version?
[20:34] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, what do you need?
[20:35] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, everything :)
[20:35] <pmcgowan> it come default on the stable channel
[20:35] <pmcgowan> the only other channel of interest is rc-proposed
[20:35] <pmcgowan> which moves to table every 6 weeks
[20:35] <pmcgowan> stable
[20:36] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, I'd like to change it to a faster release image
[20:36] <TonyBoston> doesn't matter if its buggy since it not relly usable right now anyway
[20:36] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, oh that kinda hurts :)
[20:36] <pmcgowan> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[20:37] <pmcgowan> so you could flash buntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[20:37] <TonyBoston> alright
[20:37] <pmcgowan> u buntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[20:37] <pmcgowan> using ubuntu-device-flash
[20:37] <pmcgowan> dont go to wily now though, its about to explode a bit
[20:37] <TonyBoston> right let me check that
[20:40] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, now that needs an ubuntu desktop I guess
[20:42] <pmcgowan> hmm
[20:43] <pmcgowan> its written in go so should work
[20:43] <pmcgowan> ?
[20:43] <TonyBoston> pmcgowan, cant find ubuntu-device-flash
[20:45] <pmcgowan> TonyBoston, here's a handy guide http://www.leenukes.co.uk/2014/01/17/installing-ubuntu-touch-onto-nexus-7-2012-from-fedora-20-in-depth/
[20:45] <pmcgowan> goget-ubuntu-touch is the project
[20:45] <TonyBoston> ahh cool
[20:47] <Ploppz> Is Skype in the app store?
[20:49] <TonyBoston> no
[20:50] <Ploppz> Does it look like it might come, or any other client?
[20:52] <Ploppz> Or is there any other app that can do video calls?
[22:56] <alin_> hi
[22:56] <alin_> adb devices gives me this
[22:56] <alin_> ????????????    no permissions
[22:56] <alin_> when i boot in recovery
[22:56] <alin_> this recovery wget http://people.canonical.com/~alextu/tangxi/recovery/recovery.img
[22:56] <alin_> on ubuntu meizu mx4 any idea?
[23:14] <moritz31> hey guys
[23:15] <moritz31> got an error that ion_allocation_data has no member heap_mask some idea how to fix ? add the member to the struct ?
[23:24] <moritz31> strange all definitions of ion_allocation_data have the heap mask


[23:45] <squish102> anyone have an app that will log traffic going through router on wan side?
[23:45] <squish102> something like prtg but i don't link running windows apps on ubuntu


[01:42] <superm1> Daviey, you still here?
[01:42] <Daviey> yep
[01:42] <superm1> so do you want to elaborate a little more about what you had in mind with mythbuntu control centre?
[01:43] <Daviey> I started looking at a proof of concept
[01:43] <Daviey> When thing it should really have is "Record a new remote"
[01:43] <Daviey> I thought for v1 - it could just be a bash script
[01:44] <Daviey> hey jono
[01:44] <jono> hey
[01:44] <Daviey> Did you have any joy switching channel ownership?
[01:44] <superm1> well best off would be python i think actually, because then you can expand it into pygtk
[01:44] <Daviey> true, but i looked into pylirc
[01:44] <Daviey> and it might not fullfill our requirements
[01:45] <Daviey> All the references i have found makes it sound like, it's only for adding hooks to apps for premade lircrc files
[01:45] <superm1> what is pylirc?
[01:45] <superm1> havent even heard of it
[01:45] <Daviey> python lirc
[01:45] <Daviey> :)
[01:46] <Daviey> http://pylirc.mccabe.nu/
[01:46] <Daviey> Need to play with it some-more - started with a gtk interface..
[01:46] <Daviey> Then though bah - need to make a working console version first
[01:47] <Daviey> Trouble is - not a recent deb file for current python-version
[01:47] <Daviey> so currently need to add it from binary tar
[01:47] <superm1> well that module would be ideal for adding control support ot mythbuntu control centre, but you could still do the control centre without it
[01:48] <superm1> and just require mosue support for now
[01:48] <superm1> i guess the very first thing that came to mind when you mentioned this idea to me in the first place was gnome control center
[01:48] <Daviey> no - your missunderstanding me
[01:48] <superm1> guess so :)
[01:49] <Daviey> don't want to 'control' M.C.S with remote - want the option to record a 'new' remote
[01:49] <Daviey> ie gnerate lircrc file
[01:49] <superm1> okay
[01:50] <superm1> thats just one function of it though the way i'm understanding it
[01:50] <Daviey> In many ways - unless people are using the 'nova' remote (silver) - then i feel they may be better to record their own config's
[01:50] <Daviey> as many i have come across are hit and miss
[01:50] <superm1> i see
[01:50] <Daviey> with this app - i'm hoping it should take 10 seconds to record a new remote
[01:51] <Daviey> ie, press each button when prompted
[01:51] <Daviey> That's why i thought it might be bettter to make v1 with bash
[01:51] <Daviey> as the 'tools' are already there :)
[01:52] <superm1> well Daviey before you start this, maybe do you want to talk to the UMC guys, and make sure that the way its implemented its still compatible with the way they do lirc in the future?
[01:52] <Daviey> good plan - do they use irc?
[01:52] <superm1> hm
[01:52] <superm1> jono do you know?
[01:52] <Daviey> -> do the ubuntu media centre guys use IRC/
[01:53] <Daviey> he's off with the ducks methinks
[01:54] <Daviey> superm1, have you seen the UMC's logo?
[01:54] <Daviey> https://librarian.launchpad.net/7393572/umc-mugshot.png
[01:54] <Daviey> funky eh?
[01:55] <superm1> haha
[01:55] <Daviey> might have to bang off an email to ArnaudQuette
[01:55] <superm1> thats actually kinda cool i think
[01:55] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemoteControls
[01:56] <superm1> well best bet i think
[01:56] <superm1> is to join that mailing list
[01:56] <superm1> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMediaCenterTeam
[01:56] <Daviey> http://itooktheredpill.dyndns.org/images/dvbremote.png   <-   :)
[01:57] <superm1> That looks pretty straightforward
[01:57] <superm1> as long as you can handle all those changes being reflected across multiple apps
[01:57] <Daviey> I didn't know some dvb-t remotes have their mapping hardcoded in the kernel
[01:58] <Daviey> (that link above isn't my app)
[01:58] <superm1> several i2c ones do
[01:58] <superm1> the idea is that lirc-i2c will be eventually phased out i think
[01:58] <Daviey> I didn't know that - how stupid
[01:58] <superm1> well if you provide a kernel interface for changing buttons, no big deal i dont think
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[05:59] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:00] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:00] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:01] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:01] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:02] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
 keescook, you had mentioned that you might have some hardware that andrew and I will be able to use at ulive.  Do you know what hardware?
 oh!  right, let me check on that, one second...
 :), we're supposed to be getting our HD HomeRuns' that silicon dust sponsored us this week
 oooh, very nice!
[06:03] <rogue780|mythsvr> * UMPiloto has quit ("Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER")
 hm, my buddy will be out of town during the conference; perhaps I can put something together.  what did you want to have handy?
 well i have to discus with andrew yet, but the most ideal situation would be a system that we can just bring a hard drive over to and pop in i think
 for presentation purposes
 so as to not have to bring a whole system over
 that's pretty tied to the tuner, etc, though, isn't it?
 i mean if you just want to demo software, you could put it on a laptop.  :)
 howdy
[06:21] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, ?
[06:47] <keescook> dejavu
[06:48] <superm1> haha keescook
[06:48] <superm1> i was on the phone and heard my laptop start beeping crazily
[06:48] <superm1> and saw all that
[06:48] <keescook> yeah, my IRC client lit up like an xmas tree.  :)
[06:48] <keescook> anyway, off to bed.  :)
[06:49] <superm1> night
[02:51] <Daviey> DaveMorris, ping
[02:56] <DaveMorris> hey
[02:56] <DaveMorris> Daviey: pong
[02:57] <Daviey> arg... lost my clipboard now
[02:57] <Daviey> How about this as a new frontend :) http://www.digitimes.com/Images/2007/04/19/2046_r.jpg
[03:01] <DaveMorris> looks nice, prices?
[03:02] <Daviey> don't think price is announced yet
[03:02] <Daviey> 'pico-itx'
[03:02] <DaveMorris> what are the specs?
[03:03] <Daviey> 1 GHz Via C7
[03:04] <Daviey> one SO-DIMM slot, a combination of IDE and SATA connectors, 10/100Mbps Ethernet and onboard sound is Sound Blaster Pro-compatible including a 7.1
[03:06] <DaveMorris> vga out or has it got component headers?
[03:06] <Daviey> vga
[03:07] <Daviey> but! 10cm x 7.2cm
[03:07] <DaveMorris> nice and small
[03:07] <Daviey> That's smaller than some COTS routers
[03:08] <Daviey> I'm wrong - has s-video
[03:08] <Daviey> http://www.mini-itx.com/2007/04/21/via-define-pico-itx-with-vt6047-reference-design
[03:10] <Daviey> DaveMorris, you use a mini-itx?
[03:10] <DaveMorris> yep
[03:24] <Daviey> Quiet / case?
[03:24] <Hugolp> DaveMorris:  what so do you use in the mini-itx?
[03:25] <DaveMorris> Hugolp: what do you mean?
[03:25] <Hugolp> what linux distro do you use in your mini-itx system?
[03:26] <DaveMorris> ubuntu
[03:26] <DaveMorris> and smoothwall
[03:26] <Hugolp> and how does it handle mythtv?
[03:26] <DaveMorris> fine, I have 1 running a frontend, with hardware decoding the cpu sits at around 95% idle
[03:27] <DaveMorris> I've got TV-OUT over composite video to a PAL TV, along with digtial sound via coxial to my amp
[03:27] <Hugolp> what procesor does it have?
[03:28] <DaveMorris> 1.5Ghz C5 I think
[03:28] <DaveMorris> let me check
[03:28] <DaveMorris>  VIA Esther processor 1500MHz
[03:29] <DaveMorris> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=399 is the board I have
[03:30] <DaveMorris> C7 cpu
[03:30] <Hugolp> ok let me check
[03:32] <Hugolp> oh, its got mpeg-2 acceleration, that might be why it can handle mythtv so good
[03:32] <Hugolp> how much are those?
[03:32] <DaveMorris> are you in PAL or NTSC?
[03:33] <Hugolp> I am guessing youll need a fan for the procesor
[03:33] <Hugolp> I am from Barcelona so PAL
[03:33] <DaveMorris> for the faster ones, but its tiny
[03:33] <DaveMorris> you planning on using the TV-OUT or vga out?
[03:33] <DaveMorris> 140 inc VAT in the uk
[03:34] <Daviey> with funky case?
[03:34] <DaveMorris> nope, only the board and cpu :(
[03:34] <Hugolp> DaveMorris:  I would like dvi but vga would do
[03:34] <Hugolp> it looks really good but its expensive
[03:34] <DaveMorris> Hugolp: The next version has dvi I think
[03:35] <Hugolp> I think Ill wait a year or two to get into mini-itx systems
[03:36] <DaveMorris> yeah the EPIA EX has dvi and component video output
[03:36] <DaveMorris> but I don't know what the support is like on them
[03:37] <Daviey> buy me one - and i'll find out for you
[03:38] <DaveMorris> hahah
[04:34] <superm1> mornin guys
[04:35] <Daviey> hey
[04:35] <Daviey> Need a new diff for splash
[04:35] <superm1> yup...
[04:36] <superm1> this has been like a 1.5 month review now huh?
[04:36] <Daviey> Well my one was initially uploaded March 11th
[04:37] <Daviey> Something as important as this does need to be perfect...

[04:38] <Daviey> Advocating... Yes, No, Yes, No
[04:38] <superm1> the thing is, all the packages that i've been referencing have things that have been mentioned here broken
[04:38] <Daviey> exactly!  Same as the one i initally uploaded
[04:42] <superm1> okay got a new one up
[04:42] <Daviey> good stuff
[04:43] <Daviey> I nearly made a diff - but wasn't sure if a) stepping on toes | b) weather REVU would mind
[04:43] <Daviey> then you turned up - so just didn't bother
[04:45] <superm1> well when its something that is just that simple, i'm not sure why crimsun didn't just do it and upload
[04:45] <Daviey> (i thought that aswell)
[04:46] <Daviey> but.... "they'll never learn"
[04:47] <Daviey> superm1, ubuntuwire jabber server down?
[04:47] <superm1> i've stopped logging in to it lately
[04:47] <superm1> no idea
[04:47] <superm1> because things were always slow or not working right for me
[04:47] <superm1> Daviey, if you want to take over the unofficial themes package go for it
[04:47] <Daviey> shame... idea had potential
[04:48] <superm1> its gotta be broken into lots of smaller packages now
[04:48] <Daviey> why?!
[04:48] <superm1> according to discussion in -motu
[04:48] <superm1> because a 90 meg source package is too big
[04:48] <Daviey> arg!
[04:48] <superm1> i was thinking it might be more worthwhile to just wget the sources
[04:48] <superm1> as needed
[04:48] <Daviey> how big is openoffice src package?!
[04:49] <superm1> haha
[04:49] <superm1> and build-depend on wget
[04:49] <superm1> or curl
[04:49] <Daviey> that's kinda nasty tho
[04:49] <Daviey> don't you think?
[04:49] <superm1> and then produce lots of resultant binary packages
[04:49] <superm1> and one metapackage
[04:49] <superm1> like community-themes
[04:49] <superm1> that depended on those
[04:49] <Daviey> How about a package for each theme - then a meta package for them all?
[04:51] <superm1> well that would be the idea
[04:51] <superm1> but i was thinking it might just be easier with a single source package
[04:51] <superm1> and the other thing is that the syth-* themes need to be taken out for the time being
[04:52] <superm1> until licensing is updated
[04:52] <superm1> that was the big thing that they caught
[04:53] <Daviey> k
[04:53] <Daviey> I think grabbing the src's via wget is horrible tho
[04:54] <Daviey> It would have to hosted on our server
[04:54] <Daviey> and then - if our server goes down, so does the package
[04:54] <superm1> well they'd be on the server's that were out there hosting currently
[04:54] <superm1> but your right
[04:56] <Daviey> If juski decides to move the location of his tar - breaks the pck
[04:57] <superm1> well then i guess lots of binary packages is the only way to really go
[04:57] <superm1> and lots of src packages
[04:57] <Daviey> :(
[04:57] <superm1> but the packaging can be nearly identical for each one
[04:58] <Daviey> Very demoralising packaging eh?
[04:58] <superm1> probably just a different debian/copyright for each
[05:00] <Daviey> I should be able to just cut down the current package's rules?  don't need to start from scratch?
[05:01] <superm1> yea that should be fine
[05:02] <Daviey> Where did the day go? It's 4:00pm already...
[05:02] <Cyberdance> hi! i've installed mythtv but i do not see anything at all... i have got a pretty old Hauppauge WinTV DVB-s. I have imported a channel list but the screen remains dark... anybody could help me please?
[05:02] <Cyberdance> backend and frontend are running on the same machine
[05:03] <superm1> the only problems that were mentioned the last time around were source package size and the license for the syth* themes, so yea cutting down packaging should work out good
[05:03] <Daviey> Cyberdance, Have you been able to use the DVB-S card outside myth?
[05:04] <Cyberdance> Daviey: in windows, yep
[05:04] <Daviey> hmm
[05:05] <Daviey> Cyberdance, this is quite a good quide for getting it to work outside myth
[05:05] <Daviey> http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php
[05:05] <Cyberdance> For windows i have bought WinDVBlive several years ago and it still works pretty fine...
[05:06] <Cyberdance> yep, i followed exactly this guide
[05:06] <Daviey> Cyberdance, where the guide mentions tzap - replace with szap
[05:06] <Cyberdance> ok, i'll try, thx
[05:06] <Daviey> szap being for satellite
[05:08] <Cyberdance> aaaaaah
[05:09] <Cyberdance> tzap failed for some reason and i did not know why...
[05:11] <Daviey> because tzap is for terrestrial
[05:11] <Daviey> you've got satellite :)
[05:18] <Cyberdance> ok... szap seems to be working
[05:19] <Cyberdance> i receives lines like that: status 1f | signal c7c7 | snr e6e6 | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 | FE_HAS_LOCK
[05:19] <Cyberdance> Daviey: is that what it should be?
[05:19] <Daviey> I think so
[05:19] <Daviey> can't be bad :)
[05:20] <Cyberdance> the dvbstream command that is mentioned in the guide does not really work...
[05:20] <Cyberdance> dvbstream -o -ps 600 601 -qam 16 -cr 3_4 | mplayer -
[05:21] <Cyberdance> it says Reading from stdin, output to stout, streaming 2 streams
[05:21] <Daviey> it won't work - that's for "BBC ONE" dvd-t
[05:21] <Cyberdance> oh ok
[05:21] <Daviey> you'll need to find the parameters to use..
[05:21] <Daviey> I can't really help with that - i've never used dvb-s
[05:21] <Cyberdance> ic...
[05:21] <Daviey> google might help tho
[05:35] <superm1> Daviey, I'm not sure if you started already with packing up files into a package in the build script, but I added another last night
[05:35] <superm1> (word of warning)
[05:35] <Daviey> arg
[05:35] <Daviey> no i haven
[05:35] <Daviey> 't will do later tonight
[05:35] <superm1> I realized it will be necessary as i was working on ubiquity stuff yesterday
[05:36] <superm1> suddenly pretty busy eh :)
[05:36] <Daviey> yes
[05:37] <superm1> ubiquity is starting to wrap up a lot better.  The GUI is all there now, and I'm learning how to properly catch signals so that I can hide pages and control what is shown
[05:37] <superm1> RSI?
[05:37] <Daviey> wrist ache
[05:37] <superm1> get a wrist pad, or at least invent something that will let the computer be controlled by thoughts
[05:37] <superm1> at a very minimum
[05:37] <Daviey> hehe
[05:38] <superm1> i type faster than i think though, so i dont need one
[05:38] <Cyberdance> Daviey: I can watch TV now with XINE. works fine, but MythTV remains dark
[05:38] <Daviey> Cyberdance, your getting there
[05:39] <Daviey> I need to go home now
[05:39] <Cyberdance> np
[05:39] <superm1> cya DaveMorris
[05:39] <superm1> er Daviey
[05:39] <Cyberdance> cu
[05:39] <gardengnome> i tend to catch RSI quite easily
[05:39] <gardengnome> and it sucks.
[05:39] <gardengnome> :)
[05:39] <superm1> tab completion.  i say DaveMorris should change his name to something like DayeMorris, so i can tab complete Daviey easier
[05:40] <Daviey> yes!
[05:40] <Daviey> ttfn
[06:08] <DaveMorris> no
[09:21] <superm1> gardengnome, how comes progress on the svn packaging ?
[10:56] <Cyberdance> anyone can help me to set up mythtv correctly? my dvb-s card works with xine and szap but i would prefer mythtv
[11:10] <superm1> evenin Daviey
[11:29] <Daviey> hey
[11:29] <Daviey> home already?
[11:34] <rogue780|mythsvr> does anyone here run a setup with satellite?
[11:53] <superm1> Daviey, na.  its going to be a late day for me here today
[11:53] <superm1> i started a bit late
[11:53] <superm1> rogue780|mythsvr, Can't say I do
[11:54] <superm1> is it bad that i'm looking forward to coming home to play with ubiquity this evening more?
[11:54] <superm1> and that i've been formulating ideas to try al day
[12:19] <Cyberdance> yeehaw mythtv is up & running... but there are only two things that bother me: first, there are always the gnome menubar and taskbar visible which is really annoying. second, i have installed mythweb and chose several channels to be not visible. when zapping through channels in mythtv frontend all channels show up, even those that should be invisible. any ideas how to change that?
[12:22] <Daviey> Cyberdance, with the first problem - Is it set to be a 'window'
[12:22] <Daviey> it's a mythfrontend option
[12:22] <Cyberdance> window? not that i would know...
[12:23] <Cyberdance> it seems to be full screen but top and bottom are covered by these bars
[12:23] <Daviey> that's odd... haven't had that problem
[12:23] <Daviey> How are you starting myth?
[12:24] <Cyberdance> from the menu... wait i'll check the command that is invoked when clicking the icon...
[12:25] <Cyberdance> just mythfrontend
[12:25] <Cyberdance> nothing else, no parameters at all
[12:28] <Cyberdance> even with the -nw option it's the same
[12:29] <Cyberdance> well i'll have to to some trial&error then... thx so far


[06:49] <pitti> Good morning, and happy new year!
[07:22] <didrocks> thanks for the grub upload cjwatson :)
[07:26] <pitti> didrocks: very nice!
[07:26] <cjwatson> didrocks: yw
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:12] <MacSlow> dholbach, hey there... happy new year btw :)
[08:12] <MacSlow> dbarth, ^ :)
[08:12] <dholbach> hi MacSlow - and the same to you too :)
[08:13] <dbarth> MacSlow: thanks Mirco :)
[08:14] <dbarth> good morning, and best wishes for 2015 everyone
[08:14] <MacSlow> dito
[08:43] <zyga> good morning :)
[08:48] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:52] <mardy> seb128: hi! Could you please have a look at bug 1406571?
[08:55] <seb128> mardy, sure
[09:24] <darkxst> Laney, your piloting later today? can you look at bug 1399047
[09:24] <Laney> ok
[09:25] <Laney> can't you upload shell?
[09:25] <darkxst> Laney, I can upload shell and mutter, but they will just be dep-wait
[09:26] <Laney> well if you've already reviewed them :-)
[09:27] <darkxst> ok, will upload now
[10:40] <Laney> seb128: did you look at that shotwell bug yet? I just came across it & started
[10:41] <Laney> then saw that ping ;-)
[10:42] <seb128> Laney, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shotwell/0.20.2-0ubuntu2
[10:42] <Laney> nice!
[10:43] <seb128> Laney, seems like I forgot to dput before holidays
[10:43] <Laney> how convenient
[10:43] <seb128> I meant to upload when I did the SRU
[10:43] <seb128> yeah...
[12:50] <dholbach> 98 requests on http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ - please help sponsoring/reviewing!
[12:53] <seb128> dholbach, nice to see some contributors have been busy during holidays ;-)
[12:54] <dholbach> yeah :)
[12:54] <dholbach> After I got my inbox under control again I'm going to help out with some reviews as well. :)
[12:56] <seb128> dholbach, same here
[12:57]  * dholbach hugs seb128
[14:00] <cyphermox> good morning!
[14:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks again pitti :)
[14:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> good morning and happy new year developerz!
[14:05] <Laney> @pilot in
[14:17]  * Laney straight away finds a transition and screams
[14:18]  * rbasak syncs bind9
[14:19] <rbasak> "syncpackage: Please wait for the sync to be successful before closing bugs."
[14:19] <rbasak> Define "successful". Migrated to vivid?
[14:29] <dobey> anyone else having problems writing a live image to usb on 14.04 (or 14.10) with 3.16 kernel? dd exits real quick and the device seems to keep writing for some time after that, but i'm having trouble booting from the usb
[15:03] <pitti> rbasak: appears on Launchpad, i. e. "last upload:" on its +source page
[15:03] <pitti> who does SRU these days? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=1 hasn't been processed since start of December
[15:04] <rbasak> pitti: thanks. That's much quicker then :)
[15:04] <pitti> rbasak: yeah, it should be almost instantaneous
[15:21] <dobey> i guess not :(
[17:20] <hallyn> xnox: happy new year!  when you get a chance, could yo ulook at http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/n/netcf/netcf_0.2.6-1.dsc ?
[17:24] <xnox> hallyn: upload missing changelog entries for 1:0.2.4-3, 1:0.2.4-2, 1:0.2.4-1 from experimental, they should be included if you are including those changes (looks like you are)
[17:24] <xnox> there is spurious reorder of build-depends (not sure if that is intentional)
[17:24] <xnox> spurious diff in debian/rules.
[17:25] <xnox> hallyn: overall seems fine for upload.
[17:25] <xnox> and can be claimed that all of the above was intentional.
[17:28] <hallyn> xnox: hm, i'll have to re-check.  i don't recall doing thos eon purpose.  thanks.
[17:31] <xnox> hallyn: note, i did debdiff of latest experimental and your upload, rather than latest sid vs your upload.
[17:44] <bdmurray> seb128: FYI, the amd64 retracing queue is only a few hours behind now and has been for the past couple of weeks.
[17:45] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, happy new year!
[17:45] <seb128> bdmurray, great ;-)
[18:00] <bdmurray> roaksoax: in bugs 1382632 and bug 1386275 what release did you test with? was it utopic, trusty, or both?
[18:00] <roaksoax> bdmurray: both!
[18:01] <bdmurray> roaksoax: it'd help the SRU team if that was specified.
[18:05] <Laney> @pilot out
[19:05] <Noskcaj> Could someone please fix bug 1129409 for amd, even if it's only a PPA?
[20:00] <hallyn> xnox: pushed a new version.  not sure why the experimental version never moved to unstable (and/or why they diverged)
[20:17] <kirkland> I'm doing an apt-get update on a 14.04 system, and strangely it looks like I'm trying to talk IPv6, which is not what I expected....
[20:17] <kirkland> 57% [Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com (2001:67c:1360:8c01::19)] [Connecting to
[20:24] <stgraber> kirkland: pastebin "ip -6 addr show" and "ip -6 route show" ?
[20:25] <kirkland> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9678555/
[20:25] <kirkland> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9678559/
[20:26] <stgraber> are you with time warner cable?
[20:27] <stgraber> if so, looks like they're giving you some native IPv6 which is quite nice if it worked :)
[20:36] <kirkland> stgraber: yep, that's my home provider
[20:43] <hallyn> heh, yes, quite nice if it worked :)
[21:09] <amayra> hellp
[21:10] <amayra> i mean hello
[21:11] <sladen> hallo
[21:20] <amayra> i love you work thanks for being so kind to offer ubuntu for free and open source
[21:20] <amayra> i just come here to ask about were can give some suggestion for you
[21:52] <shadeslayer_> pitti: hi there, when running autopkgtests, do you reckon it would make sense to export some standard variables like HOME, XDG_* , etc so that tests that write files to those locations can proceed without issues? In a whole bunch of KF5 and Plasma 5 tests, I've had to manually export dirs in each of the tests which is super annoying ...
[22:45] <bdmurray> stgraber: bug 1355664 has a patch fwiw
[23:06] <jtaylor> doko: do you remember why distutils-sysconfig.diff in python2.7 handles the OPT variable but python3.4 does not?