[05:10] <shinmen> fabbione, Yeap, if gnome is started by gdm, gnome-settings-daemon, gnome-panel and gnome-vfs-daemon (nautilus as well sometimes) start sucking up my CPUs.


[03:36] <mup> PR snapcraft#2996 closed: requirements: uprev mypy to 0.770 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2996>
[13:29] <HiSPeed> hey. is there any way to convince the snappy installer to use /proc/1/mounts instead of the nonexisting /proc/1/ns/mnt ?
[13:29] <HiSPeed> -> debian 9
[13:32] <HiSPeed> oh, with snap we re back to rolling out our own custom kernels again.. enterprise-grade upgrading !
[13:32] <HiSPeed> well wont hold it against you idlers :p
[13:32] <HiSPeed> later!
[14:28] <zyga> HiSPeed: hi
[14:28] <zyga> But those proc files are not the same
[14:29] <zyga> One is a list of partial information about mount points
[14:29] <zyga> And the other is a mount namespace
[14:29] <zyga> You cannot use one for the other
[14:30] <zyga> Snapd requires mount namespaces to operate
[15:29] <mup> PR snapd#8340 closed: boot, snap-bootstrap: move initramfs-mounts logic to boot pkg <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8340>
[15:30] <mup> PR snapd#8340 opened: boot, snap-bootstrap: move initramfs-mounts logic to boot pkg <UC20> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/8340>
[19:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#2710 closed: Add setting to remove the "jar" option in the gradle command <Created by LyzardKing> <Closed by LyzardKing> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2710>
[20:28] <mup> PR snapcraft#2991 closed: yaml_utils: don't sort keys when dumping <Created by cjp256> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/2991>


[01:41] <Scorviper> I'm new to linux and i'm having a  issue with installing vcast rhapsody, imesh, and tunebite......i tried using wine but that didn't seem to help What Should I Do? I'm willing to try anything to get these programs to work cause i use them to upload music onto my LG VX9900 i know of no other way to upload the music to my phone..any info would be much appreciated please PM me with any ways to solve my problem  Thank You.... i'm
[07:49] <tjaalton> 2.6.27-rc6 released :)
[08:32] <xivulon> cking ping
[08:32] <cking> hi
[08:32] <xivulon> I seem to have problems mounting ntfs devices on wubi boot
[08:32] <xivulon> When I use mount.ntfs I get "Device or resource busy"
[08:33] <xivulon> When I use mount -t ntfs I get "No such device"
[08:33] <xivulon> I did run chkdsk /r and the disk should be clean, also tried on 2 separate partitions
[08:33] <xivulon> that is using today's daily
[08:33] <xivulon> but had the issue for a few days
[08:34] <cking> Via the loopback and using 2.6.27-2 or 2.6.27-3 kernel?
[08:34] <xivulon> no just plain ntfs mounts at the very beginning of the boot process
[08:34] <tjaalton> where is this -3 available?
[08:35] <cking> tjaalton: soon :-)
[08:35] <tjaalton> bah :)
[08:35] <xivulon> cking this is when mounting the host device before mounting the loop device therein
[08:36] <cking> xivulon: can you put in a bug report, meanwhile I try to reproduce this and see what is going wrong as one today's priorities.
[08:36] <cking> s/one today's/one of today's/
[08:36] <xivulon> cking, I guess we can reuse https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/268123
[08:36] <xivulon> as davmor2 has been experiencing the same issues it seem
[08:37] <cking> xivulon: please to. I've not yet looked at this one - it's in my inbox though
[08:37] <cking> xivulon: did this work on a 2.6.26 kernel?
[08:41] <xivulon> cking it's the kernel in the latest daily, 2.6.27-2
[08:44] <cking> xivulon: ok - I will investigate why this is occuring.
[08:44] <xivulon> thanks a lot
[08:44] <cking> no problem
[08:45] <xivulon> on a side note, VirtualBox gets into funky kernel crashes when I try to boot wubi (hardy host, intrepid guest)
[08:45] <xivulon> or endless loops
[08:45] <xivulon> I am far more concerned with the first issue though on real hardware though
[08:45] <cking> xivulon: this is fixed in 2.6.27-3 - there is a workaround too:
[08:46] <xivulon> ah good to know, it will simplify my testing life
[08:47] <cking> xivulon: boot intrepid with the boot paramater  noreplace-paravirt as a temporary workaround. this removes the paravirt run time kernel patching which causes a bug in VirtualBox.
[08:47] <cking> It will be fixed in VirtualBox 2.0.2 apparently.
[08:47] <xivulon> thanks
[08:48] <cking> Meanwhile, I put a workaround in 2.6.27-3 which means you won't have to use the noreplace-paravirt
[08:48] <cking> but for now noreplace-paravirt is worth using - it will run much slower though :-(
[08:50] <xivulon> yes I can boot in VB now :) and yes it is slower
[08:50] <xivulon> I do run into the ntfs mount problem in VM as well...
[08:51] <xivulon> any command you want me to run before I run off to the office?
[08:52] <cking> xivulon: no.. I think I have enough info to keep me busy
[08:52] <xivulon> thanks in advance cking
[08:52] <xivulon> once there use syncio :)
[08:52] <cking> xivulon: will do
[10:55] <xivulon> cjwatson: did you have any chance to look into 243105?
[10:58] <tjaalton> uhm, vista upgrade broke my e1000e, "The NVM Checksum Is Not Valid"
[15:06] <siretart> does the ubuntu live cd autoload the kernel module dm_mod?
[15:22] <cropalato> any body know about a noise at the audio card with 2.6.27 kernel?
[15:26] <onewhirled> Can you tell me what kernel options need to be set in order for wubi to boot?  I have loop and cryptoloop, ntfs and so forth.  The current Intrepid amd64 (for my intel core 2 duo) 2.6.27 based kernel doesn't boot, so I am trying to build my own.
[15:26] <onewhirled> I have already commented on a bug in launchpad on this issue, but would like to determine the possible problem with the current Intrepid kernel.
[15:29] <onewhirled> I have been building my own kernels for years, so I think my basic build configuration is sane.  I can boot the older 2.6.24 based kernels, but when I run lsmod and read the dmesg output, I don't immediately spot any significant difference between the 2.6.24 kernel and my build.
[15:29] <onewhirled> I have tried booting my own 2.6.27-rc6 kernel, but it is failing with the same error as the Intrepid kernel.
[15:36] <smb_tp> onewhirled, With current Intrepid alphas boot problems might be hpet related. You might try "noapictimer" or "highres=off nohz=off" to get it booting.
[15:41] <smb_tp> onewhirled, If you build your own kernel, there have been several patches from Thomas Gleixner that were fixing timer related things.
[15:43] <smb_tp> onewhirled, -rc6 should have those fixes. So it is probably something different. Any way to determine where it stops?
[15:44] <onewhirled> I don't know how to debug wubi at this point.
[15:45] <onewhirled> I have a chat going with one of the Ubuntu testers in a different window.  He indicated the possibility that the problem is a combo issue between wubi and kernel code.
[15:45] <onewhirled> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/268123
[15:46] <onewhirled> When the boot fails, it seems to drop to the initrd (I think) command line.
[15:46] <onewhirled> There is debugging info on the screen, but I'd rather not send a picture of the screen.
[15:46] <onewhirled> I will ask the guy in the tester room.  Thanks.
[15:48] <smb_tp> onewhirled, Hm, ok. Don't know that much details of wubi. Ok.
[19:07] <johanbr> laga: I tried the kernel images in the bug report you pointed me to yesterday. Didn't help.
[19:27] <pwnguin> anyone know the triaging USB counterpart to #
[19:27] <pwnguin> #
[19:27] <pwnguin> sudo lspci -vvnn > lspci-vvnn.log
[19:28] <mkrufky> lsusb is to lspci as usb itself is to pci itself , pwnguin
[19:28] <pwnguin> gimme a sec to parse that
[19:29] <mkrufky> in other words...
[19:29] <pwnguin> so lsusb supports -vvnn
[19:29] <mkrufky> lsusb does for usb what lspci does for pci
[19:29] <pwnguin> i know that much, but the details are what counts here ;)
[19:30] <mkrufky> there is no -n for lsusb ... it already shows you the vid:pid in numerical form
[19:30] <mkrufky> s/"vid:pid"/"vid : pid"/1
[19:44] <pwnguin> anyone know about bluez-firmware?
[20:03] <pwnguin> its in debian but not ubuntu -- and a user is reporting their bluetooth wont work without it
[20:04] <pwnguin> https://launchpad.net/bugs/156133
[20:08] <johanbr> I'm affected by a USB bug that stops me from connecting to my motorola phone. This bug has existed since 2.6.25, but earlier kernels work fine. A patch exists, which is not yet accepted upstream. Is there any chance this patch can go in?
[20:15] <pgraner> johanbr: make a request to the kernel-team mailing list with the justification and rational with link to patch and it will get considered
[20:16] <johanbr> Alright, will do. Thanks.
[21:13] <balbir> Not sure if this the correct place to ask, but I have a user space library for a kernel feature, that I want to package for ubuntu, anybody willing to point me to the procedure to do so? links?
[21:27] <Ampelbein> balbir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[21:28] <balbir> Ampelbein: Thanks
[23:12] <kirkland> Sep 10 17:49:42 t61p kernel: [ 2039.652738] wifi0: rx FIFO overrun; resetting
[23:12] <kirkland> Sep 10 17:55:04 t61p kernel: [ 2362.330855] rix 514 (0) bad ratekbps 0 mode 1
[23:20] <kirkland> i'm getting those with the Intrepid 2.6.27 kernel, unfortunately
[23:20] <kirkland> rtg: ^ any ideas?
[23:29] <vindictive> has anyone had a problem with running vmware with the latest ubuntu kernel?  sometimes when you move your mouse between VMs, the ctrl + alt + shift keys stop working
[23:29] <vindictive> you have to reset the keyboard map for it work again
[23:30] <vindictive> from my reading at launchpad, it seems they've traced the problem to something in the kernel


[00:03] <Unlimiter> Is this theme only for 64-bit Lubuntu? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WV3j4VOf/lubuntu_mini.png
[00:03] <Unlimiter> Because I really want it!
[00:04] <wxl> @Unlimiter: no, but 18.04 only
[00:04] <Unlimiter> Not above?
[00:05] <wxl> theoretically it would be applicable but i am not sure all the elements are in the archives for the previous versions
[00:05] <Unlimiter> I have the latest version currently, 18.10
[00:05] <Unlimiter> 32-bit
[00:11] <Unlimiter> wxl, so?
[00:12] <wxl> that's for lxde lubuntu. 18.10 is lxqt. so no.
[00:12] <wxl> there may be a way to get the same effect but it would take some looking into
[00:17] <Unlimiter> how can I install new themes for Lubuntu
[00:18] <Unlimiter> this one is what I want to apply: https://lubuntu.me/box-theme-0-58/
[00:18] <wxl> not possible as it applies to gtk and not qt
[00:19] <Unlimiter> oh
[00:20] <Unlimiter> there is a qt version of it https://lubuntu.me/box-for-q/
 And it's completely unsupported, unmaintained, and subject to bitrot.
[00:22] <Unlimiter> okay, where can I get new themes for qt?
[00:23] <wxl> there was talk of work on a qt version
[00:23] <wxl> did you try all the included themes?
[00:23] <Unlimiter> yeah, but I want more
[00:24] <Unlimiter> the only one I really liked is Arc
[00:24] <Unlimiter> -Light -Dark and -Darker
[00:24] <wxl> https://www.pcsuggest.com/best-lxqt-themes/
[00:24] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Themes
[00:25] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-themes
[00:25] <wxl> https://www.opendesktop.org/browse/cat/446/
[00:47] <Unlimiter> how do I install a gnome shell theme? I downloaded a .zip file, containing some folders and a .css file
[00:48] <wxl> install gnome shell... and then install the theme XD
[00:49] <Unlimiter> oops, i forgot that i have lxqt
[00:54] <Unlimiter> I didn't find any way to change the icon pack to a custom one
[00:55] <wxl> read the wiki link i sent
[01:01] <Unlimiter> so when i download a theme folder, i just move it to `/usr/share/lxqt/themes`?
[01:02] <Unlimiter> because in that folder exist the default themes
[01:03] <Unlimiter> huh, wxl?
[01:06] <wxl>  https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt/wiki/Themes
[01:06] <wxl> that's the goto source for customization
[07:56] <mchasard> hi
[07:56] <mchasard> my jbl go can't be no more be recognized via bluetooth
 Hi. It is not possible to do the automatically partition of the disk during the installation of Lubuntu 18.10 on laptops which instead of hard disk or ssd have MMC card. In notebooks with the MMC card (32 or 64 Gb, for example), only the option to manually partition the disk appears. But in Ubuntu 18.10 and Linux Mint 19 it is poss
 I'm talking about the options "erase the entire disk and install Lubuntu" and "install Lubunto parallel to ...". These two options do not appear when we try to install Lubuntu 18.10 on a laptop with an MMC card.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/Zj5mok9.jpg
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 (Sticker, 363x512) https://telegram.lubuntu.me/e0oda0c1/file_4659.png
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 @GatoOscuro7 [<reply to image>], LOL
 jajajajjaa esa facilidad de uso.
 ¡Qué falso!


[08:09] <zhsj> please schedule a reference autopkgtest run for golang-github-gatherstars-com-jwz on all arch, which should fail.
[11:58] <ginggs> zhsj: done, please provide a link next time (just one would do)
[12:33] <zhsj> ginggs: thanks
[16:44] <enr0n> bdmurray: since we talked about it in the foundations meeting, can you please trigger these baseline tests? retry-autopkgtest-regressions --no-proposed --blocks systemd -s lunar
[17:41] <bdmurray> enr0n: doing so
[18:10] <enr0n> bdmurray: thanks
[18:46] <ahasenack> hi, bileto is crashing (500), is this something only sil2100 can help with? Maybe it's something that someone else can take a look at?
[18:46] <ahasenack> It renders the page briefly, then shows the 500 gif
[18:47] <ahasenack> looks like this is the specific url that is crashing: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/v2/metadata
[21:05] <liushuyu> Hi there, I would like to retry some autopkgtests for libzstd:
[21:05] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=arm64&package=crash&trigger=libzstd/1.5.4%2Bdfsg2-3
[21:05] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=i386&package=libzstd&trigger=libzstd/1.5.4%2Bdfsg2-3
[21:05] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=cyrus-imapd&trigger=libnet-server-perl/2.013-2&trigger=openssl/3.0.8-1ubuntu1&trigger=nghttp2/1.52.0-1&trigger=tcltk-defaults/8.6.13&trigger=cyrus-imapd/3.6.1-2&trigger=libzstd/1.5.4%2Bdfsg2-3&trigger=apt/2.5.6&trigger=lsb/11.6&trigger=texi2html/1.82%2Bdfsg1-7
[21:05] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=ppc64el&package=mysql-8.0&trigger=libzstd/1.5.4%2Bdfsg2-3
[21:06] <liushuyu> https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/request.cgi?release=lunar&arch=amd64&package=victoriametrics&trigger=libzstd/1.5.4%2Bdfsg2-3
[21:06] <kanashiro[m]> liushuyu: done
[21:07] <liushuyu[m]> kanashiro[m]: Thank you!
[21:07] <kanashiro[m]> yw :)
[22:01] <teward> has anyone been keeping an eye on Debian and Python?  Looks like there's some crucial changes in the chain there that will break `pip3 install --user` which i know several people use as part of their process to not pollute system packages but it's still got me wondering if that's going to affect us either this cycle or next.
[22:51] <vorlon> there are Foundations folks involved in Python in Debian.  I haven't heard anything about this particular change.  We're past feature freeze so if it's not currently broken in lunar, it shouldn't break between now and release
[22:51] <vorlon> but I don't know what changes you're referring to; cc: doko ginggs
[22:56] <tumbleweed> this is PEP-668
[22:56] <tumbleweed> see /usr/share/doc/python3.11/README.venv for details


[02:59] <Durp> hi
[03:00] <Durp> I think there is a problem with my ban
[03:36] <Durp> Can anyone assist me?
[04:28] <bazhang> Durp, hi
[04:28] <bazhang> Durp, banned in what channel
[04:28] <Durp> hey
[04:28] <Durp> I am supposed to be banned in ubuntu, but for some reason I can get in
[04:29] <Durp> I thought maybe my ip address changed
[04:29] <bazhang> Durp, hang on a second, let me check; was this using the same nickname?
[04:29] <Durp> hmm, no I can't remember what nickname it was
[04:30] <Durp> I was banned for mentioning 'orgy'
[04:30] <Durp> and then being unrepentent, and continuing to message it
[04:33] <bazhang> Durp, dont see any listings for you; please take a moment to read the code of conduct and guidelines though please
[04:33] <bazhang> !coc
[04:33] <bazhang> !guidelines
[04:34] <Durp> I didn't repent or read the CoC again, so I was kind of surprised. I thought maybe the ban got lifted by mistake and had to be updated
[04:34] <bazhang> well please dont repeat that behaviour in the future and take a moment to read them both now, if you would.
[04:35] <Durp> wow, ok, cool
[04:36] <Durp> this is funny, you ban me when I feel it is unjustified, and unban me when I think i deserve it, haha
[04:36] <Durp> I guess I should stop messaging 'orgy' to maco every few weeks
[04:36] <bazhang> well we appreciate you coming forward and talking about it here; obviously you know that kind of behaviour shouldn't be repeated
[04:38] <bazhang> that is something you don't want to do, to any user. more than a ban in a channel would be the likely result
[04:39] <Durp> OK, since I am curious, could you elaborate on what more than a ban can be done?
[04:40] <Durp> I'm not doing it any more anyways, it's just to satisfy my curiosity
[04:51] <bazhang> Durp, markypants and / or muddleworth I am guessing, though there are no outstanding bans that I can see in #ubuntu
[04:53] <Durp> hmm it might have been draco1234
[04:53] <Durp> it was hard to track down on the logs
[04:54] <bazhang> Durp, yep I see that, and it has been removed.
[04:56] <Durp> ok so anyways, were you suggesting you would send an ubuntu virus to me and make my computer overheat?
[04:57] <bazhang> hmm? No, not that there is an Ubuntu virus anyways.
[04:57] <Seeker`> the people that run the network don't look too kindly on people spamming messages to other users
[04:57] <Durp> I am referring to the statement "more than a ban in a channel would be the likely result"
[04:58] <bazhang> oh, that was a reference to freenode staff getting involved, should it be something involving multiple channel disturbances and multiple unsolicited PMs harassing said users
[04:59] <Durp> oh so it would still be a ban, just from the server instead of a channel
[04:59] <bazhang> but as your ban has been removed, and you have moved on, knowing the channel guidelines and code of conduct
[04:59] <bazhang> yep
[05:00] <Durp> ok gotcha
[05:10] <Durp> thanks
[05:39] <Linux-CLI> hi
[05:39] <Linux-CLI> How do I make the following command list in reverse order? - find "$PWD" -follow -type f | sed -e "s|.|File:\t|"
[05:39] <bazhang> Linux-CLI, this is not #ubuntu
[05:39] <bazhang> whoops
[05:45] <rumpsy> May i know why i'm banned from #ubuntu
[05:45] <rumpsy> i can't join in #ubuntu'
[05:46] <rumpsy> Except this channel i can able to join many other, what's the problem with this channel and me
[05:50] <rumpsy> !ops
[05:52] <mneptok> rumpsy: stand by
[05:52] <mneptok> @login
[05:53] <rumpsy> mneptok: k . . i wait
[05:53] <bazhang> rumpsy, please dont keep calling ops in various channels
[05:53] <Amaranth> rumpsy: Because your regular IRC client is on a network with a router that is exploitable so the bot is forwarding you to #ubuntu-read-topic to fix it
[05:54] <rumpsy> No, it says, i'm banned, +b
[05:54] <mneptok> rumpsy: yes. you are banned. for the reason Amaranth told you.
[05:55] <mneptok> rumpsy: read the /topic in #ubuntu-read-topic and follow the instructions
[05:55] <Amaranth> Yeah, Floodbot apparently hasn't been updated for the new ircd
[05:55] <Amaranth> Either that or freenode webchat ignore forwards
[05:56] <rumpsy> Even i'm not forwarded to this channel, #ubuntu-read-topic
[05:56] <rumpsy> lemme join there now
[05:57] <Amaranth> Are you not at home right now?
[05:57] <Amaranth> You really need to fix the issue #ubuntu-read-topic tells you about on your home network otherwise you'll end up banned again.
[05:57] <rumpsy> This is office, and am in #ubuntu-read-topic..
[05:58] <rumpsy> test me, is not working..
[05:58] <Amaranth> That's because you aren't on the same connection as when you were banned
[05:59] <rumpsy> o_O
[05:59] <Amaranth> mneptok, bazhang: Should we let him in for now as long as he fixes the problem when he gets home?
[06:00] <rumpsy> i think i'm in port 6667 via freenode
[06:00] <rumpsy> am i?
[06:00] <Amaranth> Well right now you're using freenode webchat which doesn't have the problem.
[06:00] <rumpsy> oh
[06:00] <Amaranth> Once you get home you either need to update your router or start connecting to port 8001 instead.
[06:00] <bazhang> according to bansearch all gateway users are banned
[06:01] <Amaranth> hmm, when did that happen?
[06:01] <rumpsy> i donno
[06:01] <bazhang>  *!*@gateway/web/*!#ubuntu-proxy-users
[06:01] <rumpsy> wait lemme check via chatzilla
[06:01] <rumpsy> brb
[06:01] <bazhang> June 8th last year
[06:02] <Amaranth> Could have sworn we were letting webchat folks in. Oh well
[06:03] <Amaranth> rumpsy: Chatzilla connecting to port 8001 would be perfect
[06:03] <mneptok> rumpsy: it seems you are now connecting from the IP range that was banned because of the vulnerability
[06:03] <rumpsy> mneptok: ya.. you are right
[06:04] <Amaranth> bazhang: bansearch also shows bans for webchat users as recently as last week
[06:04] <mneptok> rumpsy: who controls that router?
[06:04] <rumpsy> mneptok: my admin...
[06:04] <Amaranth> mneptok: It seems a lot of routers never got an update for it anyway
[06:04] <bazhang> sorry April 2008
[06:04] <mneptok> rumpsy: tell the admin to check for new router firmware, as the present firmware is subject to a know vulnerability
[06:04] <Amaranth> Easier to just connect to port 8001 so you know you're fine no matter what router you connect to
[06:05] <mneptok> rumpsy: and until the admin fixes it, connect via port 8001
[06:05] <rumpsy> oh, okay
[06:05] <rumpsy> so , what's port of webchat.freenode.net?
[06:05] <rumpsy> 6667?
[06:06] <rumpsy> if its 8001, why i'm not?
[06:06] <Amaranth> rumpsy: you want chatzilla to connect to chat.freenode.net port 8001
[06:06] <Amaranth> rumpsy: webchat is banned for other reasons
[06:07] <rumpsy> Amaranth: okay.. :) fine
[06:08] <rumpsy> if you don't mind, could you please tell me, where can i get those info...
[06:11] <mneptok> what info?
[06:23] <tsimpson> Amaranth: webchat is not banned, it's forwarded
[06:24] <Amaranth> tsimpson: webchat appears to ignore forwards
[06:24] <tsimpson> it does not
[06:24] <tsimpson> I used it a week ago just fine
[06:25] <ikonia> ahhh love it panarchy trying to ban dodge by changing his ip - got him covered though 03:47 -!- Linux-CLI<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-ops then 05:39 -!- Linux-CLI<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has
[06:28] <tsimpson> and a client can't really ignore a forward, you automatically join the forwarded channel
[06:28] <ikonia> I know
[06:28] <tsimpson> the only difference is you get a 470 message before joining
[06:34] <Amaranth> tsimpson: I just tried webchat, it simply told me I was banned
[06:34] <Amaranth> tsimpson: so either the forward syntax has changed or webchat automatically sets the mode to ignore forwards
[06:39] <tsimpson> something strange with the migration, removing the forward and setting it again fixes it
[06:45] <rumpsy> Amaranth: i tried everywhere, for this type of modem wa300g4 there is no frimware update
[06:46] <rumpsy> I hate this brand, "Utstarcom"
[06:46] <rumpsy> if i find, i can suggest to my admin
[07:00] <mneptok> rumpsy: until then, use port 8001 to connect
[07:01] <rumpsy> k . .
[07:10] <mneptok> rumpsy: if you don't need anything else, this channel has a no-idle policy
[07:27] <mneptok> rumpsy: please do not idle in this channel
[07:51] <Mamarok> he is still around...
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[09:56] <Myrtti> tomaw: also did notice spam like Amantha at #ubuntu-women
[09:56] <Myrtti> (mclovin)
[09:56] <tomaw> Myrtti: ah, I wasn't keeping an eye on that channel
[09:57] <Myrtti> third occurance apparently, and their all doing it from Barbadosian ip addresses
[10:25] <Myrtti> idiots, they hurt my head
[10:26] <Myrtti> I have to give all the credit to the staff, I'm thinking I'm losing my sanity looking at #freenode. how can you do it day after day?
[10:26] <MenZa> heh
[11:06] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ever noticed they are not active there long time at once? (;
[14:34]  * genii sips
[14:50] <Myrtti> !away > shadenzo
[14:53] <jpds> ladiladila.
[14:53] <jpds> Looks like more Guadalinux people.
[15:11] <Mamarok> why don't you set the topic to "this channel is *not* in Spanish" in Spanish?
[15:12] <Myrtti> since when has anyone read topics?
[15:12] <Mamarok> true, that :(
[15:12] <Mamarok> or force the Guadalinex guys to set the #ubuntu-es as default
[15:12] <Myrtti> that's on the works, won't happen in an instant though
[15:39] <MenZa> Mamarok: They should be forced to not to refer to #ubuntu as an official Guada support ressource.
[15:40] <genii> Is Guadalinex some *buntu-based distribution?
[15:40] <genii> Guadalinux, rather
[15:41] <ikonia> I've never heard of it until a few lines above
[15:41] <Myrtti> genii: guadalinEx
[15:41] <Myrtti> yes.
[15:41] <Myrtti> it is
[15:42] <genii> Interesting
[15:46] <Mamarok> genii: and it exists since ages, I met the leader of the project at UDS in Paris, the local government of Andalucia is behind it
[15:46] <Mamarok> and UDS Paris was like... a very long time ago :)
[15:47] <Myrtti> I heard about it in 2006
[15:47] <Myrtti> I have the business card of one of the primus motors
[15:47] <Mamarok> Alberto da Cala IIRC
[15:48] <Pici> I think I might have a copy of it
[15:48] <Myrtti> antonio jose saenz albanes
[15:49]  * MenZa thinks
[15:49] <Pici> Perhaps the !lista people are from a similar Italian distro
[15:49] <Mamarok> I even have a light blue T-shirt that says Guadelinex
[15:49] <Mamarok> it's just a lot too small for me :)
[15:49] <MenZa> Well, one way of grabbing *some* users would be to do a quick check of the hostmask to determine if the tld in it is .es :p
[15:49] <MenZa> Speaking of, here's another one.
[16:35] <Seeker`> nalioth: ping
[17:17] <Herpies> all u motherfuckers are going to pay you are the ones who fuck your laptops.     Yes, if you have no further business.
[19:29] <ikonia> checking if  is ban dodging in ubuntu
[19:29] <Pici> who?
[19:29] <ikonia> mkanyicy
[19:29] <ikonia> I think he is
[19:30] <ikonia> ubottu is responding........slow
[19:30] <ikonia> oh Tm_T removed it
[19:35] <Tm_T> what when
[19:36] <ikonia> not to worry
[19:36] <ikonia> just removed a ban
[19:36] <Tm_T> (:
[19:37] <Tm_T> I can remove all bans again...
[19:46] <Pici> /csremove mneptok you should know better
[19:46] <mneptok> Pici: paste buffer fail. i *hate* the non-persistent buffer in Linux DEs.
[19:49] <topyli> primary selection? i find it very useful
[19:50] <Tm_T> Klipper is my friend
[19:52] <Tm_T> google is not
[19:55] <jussi01> klipper rocks
[19:59] <ikonia> PancakeStaffer: serve them up
[20:01] <PancakeStaffer> ikonia: That'd be WaitressStaffer
[20:01] <ikonia> ah
[20:01] <ikonia> cook them up ?
[20:14] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, I just wanted to get a few more opinions with a question. No problem, but it'd be great to get another opinion or two. The question: Is it okay to ask if anyone needs help in the channel if the only things going on are questions currently being asked? I have a couple points why I think it's okay, but I understand if I shouldn't ask said question.
[20:15] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: my point to you in my private message is that you ask a lot "hey any one needs questions asking" as you can see people in the channel are asking questions, they don't need prompting, it's a busy channel and fishing for more questions isn't helpful
[20:15] <jussi01> SpaceGhostC2C: generally Id say its never right to ask that - especially if its in #ubuntu. if peole need help, they ask. thats why the channel is there and if you ask that it just adds to the channle traffic
[20:20] <SpaceGhostC2C> Even if there aren't any new questions being asked? My personal experience, as unimportant it may be to you, is that many users have reasked their questions, and when they are frusterated, as they often get, they rephrase their question and ask again. I guess if one line is too much chatter for you, I understand those sensitivities.
[20:20] <ikonia> it's not sensitives
[20:20] <ikonia> and it's not one line
[20:20] <ikonia> you ask a lot
[20:20] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, the way you worded your initial response was somewhat offensive.
[20:20] <ikonia> really ?
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can I get some time stamps of messages, showing how often it is?
[20:21] <ikonia> really ???
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> just the quoted part.
[20:21] <ikonia> you want to walk down this path
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> if you don't want to, that's cool. It's nothing personal.
[20:21] <ikonia> the logs are public
[20:21] <ikonia> you're welcome to trawl the logs looking for it
[20:21] <SpaceGhostC2C> Just letting you know the way you decided to quote me was offensive.
[20:21] <ikonia> the fact that I've noticed it
[20:21] <ikonia> I decided to quote you is offensive ???
[20:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> you're the one stating that I "ask it a lot"
[20:22] <ikonia> yes I did
[20:22] <ikonia> I didn't say you said you asked a lot
[20:22] <ikonia> I said you asked a lot
[20:22] <jussi01> SpaceGhostC2C: in any case, I dont think its useful at all.
[20:22] <ikonia> hence why I mention it
[20:22] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, you didn't quote me word for word
[20:22] <ikonia> I didn't quote you at all
[20:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, well then you made me sound like an idiot for no reason bud. It's fine, just letting you know I was offended.
[20:23] <ikonia> I didn't make you sound like an idiot
[20:23] <ikonia> I responded to you stating it's "sensitive" - which it's not, and it's one line, it's not
[20:23] <SpaceGhostC2C> As per the logs, you're the one claiming I asked my question a lot, shouldn't you be the one to back up what you say?
[20:24] <ikonia> you came in here and wanted other opinions, you got them
[20:24] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I don't have to back it up, I was simpley asking you to stop
[20:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> This was my single line question : "<SpaceGhostC2C> Hello. Anyone need some help."
[20:24] <jussi01> ok, can we move on? I think we have established that it shouldnt be done, so lets leave it?
[20:24] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it's not single - you do it a lot
[20:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, I'd like to see some proof and timestamps.
[20:24] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: the logs are public
[20:24] <SpaceGhostC2C> a lot as in over a few hours?
[20:24] <ikonia> I'm not tracking you
[20:25] <ikonia> the fact that I've noticed it means it happens more than I'd expect
[20:25] <ikonia> I'm not tracking individual events
[20:25] <ikonia> bottom line is - it's not needed
[20:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, so you state something as fact and just don't back it up with proof. Just you noticing over a few days doesn't mean it's a lot.
[20:25] <ikonia> please don't do it
[20:25] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: ok - lets do it this way
[20:25] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: you've been told not to do it - don't do it
[20:25] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, I'm not talking about permission to do it.
[20:26] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: - don't do it, disucssion done
[20:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> I already found my answer. I'm just saying, you're claiming I do something a lot, but aren't willing to prove it.
[20:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> Often, maybe.
[20:26] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I'm not willing to twal through logs, because I've seen it happen "more time than I would like" so I spoke to you about it
[20:26] <SpaceGhostC2C> I doubt it could be seen as spam.
[20:26] <ikonia> it's not spam
[20:26] <ikonia> I didn't say it was
[20:26] <ikonia> stop trying to make something out of me asking you to stop
[20:28] <SpaceGhostC2C> So it comes down to personal preference. Got it. Thanks, I have my answer. No offense meant ikonia, just learning how things really work around here.
[20:28] <ikonia> no-offense meant - nonsense
[20:30] <Pici> ikonia: probably best to just let it go
[20:30] <Pici> re -offtopic
[20:31] <ikonia> no, I'm fed up of people being able to say what they want about people in public
[20:31] <ikonia> yes, I've pulled him up on it now and if it continues he'll be removed
[20:32] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: what's up ?
[20:32] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, after this discussion, I was in offtopic and all I said was, "<SpaceGhostC2C> Sillly ops. Whatever. Hey funkyHat got something funny for me to laugh at?"
[20:32] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: yes
[20:33] <SpaceGhostC2C> Can I get another op or two? With just ikonia here it's like I'm wasting my time.
 SpaceGhostC2C: why silly ops ?
 ikonia, it's my silly opinion. Please don't read into it, I'm not going to divulge anymore of my opinion. Thanks.
[20:33] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: would you like it if I joined #ubuntu-offtopic and said "stupid spaceghosts, hey anyone got something to distract me"
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> Obviously I'm just venting a bit, but in a safe way. I even moved on after the initial comment
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, so, calling someone silly == stupid?
[20:34] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it's not safe at all
[20:34] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: yes it is
[20:34] <ikonia> are you saying the decisiosn made by the operators are silly ?
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> Oh wow. Seriously can I get another op?
[20:34] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, It seems we have a language barrier.
[20:34] <ikonia> no, I speak english very well
[20:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> obviously. I'll just wait for another op to help me.
[20:35] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: there was zero need to pass any comment
[20:35] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: if you have a problem with the ops decision we are happy to discuss it futher, but joining #ubuntu-offtopic and making comments about it is not helpful
[20:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, it was offtopic, I can talk about it there. Tell me where I broke any rule.
[20:35] <SpaceGhostC2C> A single comment, I said you were silly. Oh my god, I'm so sorry I offended you.
[20:36] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's a conflict of interest talking to you here ikonia. I'll wait for another op.
[20:36] <ikonia> it's not a conflict of interest
[20:36] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: if you have a problem with an operator decision you're free to discuss it with us
[20:36] <Pici> I'd just like to mention that making any commentary about operator decisions in other channels invites people to start talking about it.
[20:36] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: not join #ubuntu-offtopic and make comments about it
[20:37] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pici, it was a single comment saying, "silly ops."
[20:37] <SpaceGhostC2C> It wasn't even the whole of the line.
[20:37] <ikonia> then don't make any comment
[20:37] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: and ikonia responded, but it could very well have been any other of our regular users.  I think we should just move on at this point, though.
[20:38] <Pici> Both of you are a bit on edge./
[20:38] <ikonia> agreed
[20:38] <SpaceGhostC2C> I guess ops may be held to different standards, but I'm just not sure about where those statnads are above or below others. I only want ikonia to not follow me about spanking me on everything I might do that doesn't make him happy.
[20:38] <ikonia> I'm in the channel, not following you
[20:39] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: Understood.
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia is more than just a ubuntu op, right?
[20:39] <ikonia> I was in it before you join, I'm an op in the channel,
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, I know. I'm calling you a stalker, I'm saying you're personally involved.
[20:39] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: Thats a bit harsh.
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> You must miss a lot of other things and decide to focus in on that.
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> I'm not*
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> I totally missed the not!
[20:39] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I would say the same to anyone disucssing -ops
[20:39] <SpaceGhostC2C> Sorry.
[20:39] <ikonia> I knew you meant not
[20:40] <Pici> oops.
[20:40] <ikonia> I have said the same to others in the past
[20:40] <SpaceGhostC2C> So, now I can't have any opinion. Great.
[20:40] <ikonia> you can
[20:40] <ikonia> opinion is fine and if you disagree, you're welcome to talk to us about it, I personally don't make the right decision all the time
[20:40] <SpaceGhostC2C> It's not like I started a flame war. I just made light of a situation so my nerves don't get too tight.
[20:40] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it invites others to discuss it
[20:40] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: it undermines decisions
[20:41] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, the decision never made me upset. It was the fact stating without being willing to provide a fact. I mean, we are human, sorry I don't have a punching bag to take out a bit of frustration on.
[20:41] <Pici> SpaceGhostC2C: And us ops go to -offtopic to relax, so we're not really following anyone around, or looking out for behavior from people we just spoke with.
[20:42] <Pici> But when we see it, its not something that we can easily ignore, we're not picking on you, just happening to notice it.
[20:42] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pici, it is just my opinon, I knew he was in the channel. I figured that he wouldn't be that anal about it if I made a non-descript comment about it. Just blowing off steam, not starting a fight or anything. I had moved on completely. Talking to some other users who tend to say funny things.
[20:43] <SpaceGhostC2C> Pici, <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: then don't make your comments in public
[20:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> That obviously isn't the best way to go about saying not to say anything negative with the word op in it. He was personally involved and was ruder than he should have been.
[20:44] <mneptok> SpaceGhostC2C: -offtopic does not exist for you to vent your frustrations with Ubuntu ops. that's for this channel.
[20:44] <ikonia> I was not rude in the slightest
[20:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> mneptok, I wasn't venting frusterations. I said silly ops.
[20:44] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: you said you where venting earlier ?
[20:44] <mneptok> 13:34 < SpaceGhostC2C> Obviously I'm just venting a bit, but in a safe way.
[20:44] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, not my frusterations, I was venting.
[20:45] <Pici> Gentlemen, I think this has progressed far enough.
[20:45] <ikonia> I would agree
[20:45] <SpaceGhostC2C> I would too.
[20:45] <Pici> No point in beating a dead horse.
[20:45] <Pici> or something.
[20:45] <SpaceGhostC2C> It was just my opinion that, for an op, he got a bit too personal about things. Just my opinion.
[20:46] <Pici> Everyone is welcome to their own opinions :)
[20:46] <ikonia> I'm out - I'm fed up of being accused of things
[20:46] <topyli> let's go back to -ot and concentrate on lolcat links please
[20:46] <ikonia> offensive, rude, personal, miss-quoting
[20:46] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli, has anyone posted any? I asked for some.
[20:46] <topyli> you first!
[20:47] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia, it's subjective. I felt that it was those things, doesn't mean they are. I'm not important enough to cause a stir. You're still epic ikonia, I just got offended and wanted to talk it out and explain my side.
[20:48] <SpaceGhostC2C> Speaking of talking op problems to offtopic, semitones is talking about me talking to you.
[20:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> topyli, My scrolling stopped. The channel looked dead until I scrolled down.
[20:49] <Myrtti> SpaceGhostC2C: and he's not anymore
[20:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> So, I say something, and I get talked to. But not him? Not even not to let him know in the future?
[20:49] <SpaceGhostC2C> Hmm, whatever. I'll drop it. Have a good day.
[20:56] <Tm_T> free hugs to everyone!
[20:59] <topyli> llua in pm, i'm trying to convince him to change the quit message (currently "NIGGA"). no response yet
[21:00] <Myrtti> oh dear
[21:04] <topyli> banned
[21:04] <Tm_T> forward or not?
[21:04] <topyli> crap
[21:05] <topyli> no forward
[21:06] <topyli> i wonder if that worked :\
[21:07] <Myrtti> did you want it or not?
[21:07] <Myrtti> I can do it for you if you want a forward
[21:07] <topyli> i tried to set the forward after the fact
[21:07] <Myrtti> to this channel?
[21:08] <topyli> yes
[21:08] <Myrtti> do you want me to put it on #ubuntu too?
[21:08] <topyli> yeah, the problem is going to be the same there
[21:09] <topyli> @mark llua #ubuntu-offtopic has an offensive quit message, ban can be removed after message is changed
[21:09] <Myrtti> thank you
[21:10] <topyli> thank *you* for fixing my incompetent banning :)
[21:11] <Myrtti> I looked it up specially today after #maemo had a person that excess flooded himself in and out ten times in two minutes
[21:11] <Myrtti> helped someone else to forward them off
[21:13] <topyli> ah. wanna share? :)
[21:14] <Myrtti> the old method had !#channel
[21:14] <Myrtti> new is $#channel
[21:14] <topyli> oh. *makes notes*
[21:37] <topyli> hi llua
[21:38] <llua> and you are?
[21:38] <Tm_T> hi llua, he is topyli
[21:38] <topyli> i'm topyli, i'm an operator on -offtopic
[21:38] <llua> k...
[21:38] <llua> why the highlight?
[21:39] <topyli> llua, you are forwarded here because you did not respond to my request for quit message change in pm
[21:39] <llua> and the point of the hightlight yet again.
[21:39] <topyli> i would like to repeat the request now, and require that you do it in order to let you back in to -offtopic
[21:45] <topyli> llua, if you don't feel like talking, i'm going to have to ask you to part this channel, as we don't allow idling (please read the topic)
[21:45] <topyli> if you feel like responding at a later time, feel free to join us here again
[21:45] <llua> highlight again...
[21:45] <llua> didnt you just say YOU redirected me?
[21:45] <llua> i didnt join
[21:46] <llua> was forced by you.
[21:46] <topyli> llua, yes, as this is where we can help you get your ban removed
[21:48] <Myrtti> you could start by changing your quit message
[21:54] <topyli> llua, since you're not interested, please part this channel now. come back when you feel like resolving the issue
[22:16] <Myrtti> ok, there's some MS comic chat idiocy going on in #freenode, and one already slipped in #ubuntu
[22:16] <Myrtti> keep your heads up
[22:17]  * ikonia raises his head
[22:17] <Myrtti> telltale sign is them saying "# Appears as <charactername>" right after they've joined channel
[22:17] <Myrtti> lieelow is first
[22:18] <Myrtti> highly annoying
[22:18] <ikonia> ahh I see it
[22:18] <Myrtti> I'm heading to bed via tooth scrub
[22:18] <ikonia> night
[22:19] <Myrtti> nini bunnywunnies ♥
[22:20] <ikonia> sleep well
[22:23] <Tm_T> good night Myrtti, have a good sleep
[22:44] <jussi01> ikonia: please put some background info on the background page for your item on the council agenda
[22:44] <ikonia> jussi01: ok
[22:48] <jussi01> bed time
[22:49] <ikonia> night to you too
[22:55] <ikonia> hello dabaR thank you for joining
[22:56] <dabaR> Look ikonia, I mean, honestly, although I am not an A-R guy, and will not "demand" an apology, I think you would be a greater person if you did apologize for acusing me of what you did acuse me of.
[22:56] <dabaR> Hello, and thank you for joining as well.
[22:56] <ikonia> I'm not going to apologise for anything
[22:56] <dabaR> I don't care.
[22:56] <dabaR> Like I said, I am not gonna demand it.
[22:56] <ikonia> I'm asking you, to please control the way you speak to people in #ubuntu a little better
[22:56] <dabaR> I just hope you will at least realize your mistake.
[22:57] <ikonia> I understand %100 that you didn't mean to be-little or be rude towards the person in question
[22:57] <ikonia> but asking people if they cry about fixing issues on there PC is not the way to communicate with people within #ubuntu channels
[22:57] <dabaR> Nonono
[22:57] <dabaR> let me do a little paste for you.
[22:57] <ikonia> he didn't take it offensivly so no harm done, but it would be helpful if you could just be thoughtful of it
[22:57] <dabaR> Since you don't seem to like to scroll
[22:58] <dabaR> 16:49 < Nozy> hmmm update to 9.10 from 9.04 am I going to cry =)
[22:58] <ikonia> I understand that
[22:58] <ikonia> I did see it
[22:58] <dabaR> 16:50 < dabaR> Nozy: Maybe, maybe not. Are you prone to crying when there are problems with your computer?
[22:58] <dabaR> Do you still think that was something rude?
[22:58] <ikonia> it can be seen as rude
[22:58] <dabaR> Or in any way inappropriate?
[22:58] <ikonia> thats why I contacted you in private to just ask you to tone it down a little
[22:58] <dabaR> No, you first started in the channel telling me I am rude, and what not
[22:58] <dabaR> Let me paste that for you too.
[22:59] <dabaR> 16:50 < ikonia> dabaR: stop it
[22:59] <ikonia> I %100 understand your intention wasn't bad
[22:59] <dabaR> 16:50 < ikonia> dabaR: the smart/be-littling problems
[22:59] <ikonia> dabaR: yes, as you'd made a comment earlier that spaceghost was a bit upset about, then moved onto the next guy
[22:59] <dabaR> Anyway, I don't really mind, but you were wrong.
[22:59] <ikonia> I told you to stop it to stop you doing it while I talked to you in pm
[22:59] <dabaR> I was right, I hope you understand.
[22:59] <ikonia> dabaR: if that's your attitdue you'll be removed from the channel as that is not acceptable
[22:59] <dabaR> I was giving the guy a compliment.
[23:00] <ikonia> he didn't take it as one
[23:00] <ikonia> which as I said, I understand wasn't your intention
[23:00] <ikonia> which is why I contacted you in private, just to ask you to tone it down a little
[23:00] <ikonia> I know you're not trying to be rude, no question
[23:00] <dabaR> You did not take my fine reply to nozy as a fine comment either, but I can not control what people misunderstand.
[23:01] <ikonia> I didn't see you say "fine" and I didn't say anything else in public after I asked you to stop
[23:01] <ikonia> it's not a problem, I'm just asking that you think a little harder before making fun comments
[23:01] <dabaR> ikonia: look, I was on #ubuntu when there were 40 users.
[23:01] <ikonia> that doens't matter
[23:01] <dabaR> You are the one that is disrispectful.
[23:01] <dabaR> s/i/e
[23:01] <ikonia> I'm not, as I'm asking you politley
[23:01] <dabaR> But that is OK, since you can't expect much better.
[23:02] <dabaR> Anyway, I made my point.
[23:02] <ikonia> dabaR: if you can just agree to control your comments there will be no problem
[23:02] <dabaR> I can also go on on my merry way
[23:02] <dabaR> Which is what I will do
[23:02] <ikonia> if you wish to leave the channels you're welcome to do so
[23:02] <dabaR> My comments are controlled already.
[23:02] <dabaR> I am also going to come back whenever I want as well.
[23:02] <ikonia> however if you could please agree to control your comments, it would be most appriciated
[23:02] <dabaR> I have signed the CoC.
[23:02] <ikonia> you're not banned - you're welcome any time
[23:03] <ikonia> you don't have to sign the coc
[23:03] <dabaR> I have
[23:03] <dabaR> Years ago
[23:03] <ikonia> it's not a requirement
[23:03] <ikonia> sorry, you said you have
[23:03] <ikonia> I thought you said you hadn't
[23:03] <dabaR> Right, so I am not going to agree to nothing here with you on your prompt.
[23:03] <ikonia> as long as you agree to the channel rules/coc it's not a problem
[23:04] <dabaR> I am going to suggest that if you don't like my behavior, and believe it is in discord with the CoC, you can take the usual process about it.
[23:04] <ikonia> which you have done by signing up, so no issue
[23:04] <ikonia> I have done
[23:04] <dabaR> Right.
[23:04] <ikonia> which is contact you
[23:04] <dabaR> True.
[23:04] <dabaR> OK, Anyway, sorry to give you a hard time.
[23:04] <dabaR> I wonder what made me do it!
[23:04] <ikonia> it's not an issue


[02:36] <hypermist> well ubuntu-touch offically froze my nexus 4
[02:46] <hypermist> Greaat so adb doesnt detect my phone
[02:46] <hypermist> can't power off or anything
[02:46] <hypermist> YAY
[02:47] <hypermist> well that was luck
[02:47] <hypermist> thanks google
[02:48] <hypermist> xD
[03:36] <hypermist> Adb. or fastboot wont detect
[03:37] <hypermist> nvm
[05:57] <tathhu_> ... something like that happened on my n7 yesterday
[05:59] <hypermist> tathhu_, yea i changed back to android now
[05:59] <hypermist> xD
[05:59] <hypermist> I only lasted 24hrs with ubuntu-touch xD
[05:59] <tathhu_> lol
[05:59] <hypermist> its a nice feel
[05:59] <tathhu_> it froze, hold power n secs, rebooted and now it seems to works
[06:00] <hypermist> yea
[06:00] <hypermist> Funny thing is though
[06:00] <hypermist> The automatic brightness control was still working
[06:01] <tathhu_> I was on lock screen and clock just updated
[06:01] <tathhu_> lololo
[06:01]  * tathhu_ afks for a while, school ->
[06:35] <guest42315> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> good morning
[06:58] <hypermist> if i pulled my phone out in class if i were at school tathhu_ i'd be insta snapped and i probalby wouldn't hand it over and end up being sent to the principle
[06:58] <hypermist> xD
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <hypermist> afternoon dholbach :P
[07:03] <dholbach> hi hypermist
[07:04] <hypermist> how is you
[07:05] <dholbach> good good, how about yourself?
[07:05] <hypermist> Doing reasonably good thanks for asking ;)
[07:06] <dholbach> :)
[08:01] <guest42315> ogra_, do you know what they  are talking about? https://www.glasswall.nl/ubuntu-phone-security-we-zijn-er-nog-niet/
[08:04] <nhaines> I thought the browser was unconfined.
[08:05] <Stanley00> and... the got a bug report about that browser permission too
[08:05] <Stanley00> s/the got/we had/
[08:17] <ogra_> guest42315, well,  apps cant look at anything outside of their work environment, the browser is an exception because it supports the file:// protocol and runs unconfined ... any app from the sotre cant do that
[08:17] <ogra_> *store
[08:18] <guest42315> ogra_, thanks :D
[08:18] <ogra_> guest42315, for that particular issue they describe there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1393515
[08:19] <ogra_> so yes, they are right ... but only for the browser (and indeed the phone needs to be handed unlocked by you to the hacker
[08:19] <ogra_> )
[08:19] <nhaines> Diabolical!
[08:20] <guest42315> i am not giving my phone to anyone!
[08:21] <guest42315> :D
[08:23] <Stanley00> well, but I have my phone allows access via adb even in locked state... <= I will have to set this config back after I finish with the keyboard layout :(
[08:24] <Stanley00> by the way, do I need to fire a bug report to add a new keyboard layout, or just a merge request is enough?
[08:29] <_morphis> rsalveti: ping
[08:32] <ogra_> Stanley00, if you want it secure, yes, you should switch that back ... why not use ssh instead ? it only allows key auth so nobody who doesnt have your key can in ... locked or unlocked
[08:32] <ogra_> *can get in
[08:33] <Stanley00> ogra_: oh, I don't know about that ssh thing. Thanks for the hint, I'll look for it now :3
[08:34] <ogra_> android-gadget-service enable ssh
[08:35] <ogra_> then copy your .pub key in place in /home/phablet/.ssh via adb (make sure the permissions are correct for the file and dir) and then you can use ssh
[08:35] <ogra_> (and disable unlocked adb access)
[08:35] <Stanley00> ogra_: yeah, thank you very much.
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃
[09:03] <ogra_> isnt that every day ?
[10:18] <ogra_> dbarth, oSoMoN, are there plans to make tabs closeable again in the browser ? since you guys moved the tab close button to the other side i need like ten attaemps to get a tab closed
[10:19] <ogra_> *attempts
[10:19] <ogra_> the active area of the close button seems to be really tiny now
[10:19] <jibel> ogra_, bug 1500339
[10:20] <ogra_> perfect
[10:20]  * ogra_ me-too's
[10:20] <ogra_> super annoying if you play a game that has ads inbetween
[10:20] <ogra_> (and accidentially tap the ad)
[10:21] <ogra_> hah, and such a simple fix
[10:27] <hypermist> I changed back to android and it nearly failed so hard. today cause i thought i lost my backup of my bitcoin wallet stuff
[10:27] <hypermist> :(
[10:35] <dbarth> nice fix indeed; we can problably test and land as-is; oSoMoN ^^
[10:39] <oSoMoN> dbarth, will test and land soon, yes
[10:55] <lesamourai> clues on daemonising an app in ubuntu touch or a non GUI app?
[10:57] <ogra_> not via an officially confined app from the store
[10:57] <ogra_> you can build an unconfined app for your personal use that you can sideload via adb ... with that iit might be possible
[10:57] <lesamourai> hello ogra_ , app is running in unconfined mode
[10:59] <ogra_> but if you do that anyway you could as well just have a script that gets started via a session service
[10:59] <ogra_> no need to roll an actual app for it
[10:59] <Mirv> ogra_: hmm, where does the /etc/environment come from on touch, it wasn't lxc-android-config?
[11:00] <lesamourai> sorry im not aware of making it work through a script
[11:00] <ogra_> Mirv, thats a leftover from the OEM team hackage in live-build/livecd-rootfs
[11:00] <lesamourai> basically im building a client server app
[11:01] <ogra_> lesamourai, you put the binary somewhere into /home/phabllet and create an upstart job for it that you put into /home/phablet/.init or so
[11:01] <Mirv> ogra_: thanks, I see it's still being hacked/updated
[11:01] <ogra_> (not sure thats the right location you have to read up about it)
[11:02] <lesamourai> i see , thanks , and also thanks for tips you gave other day about that shell scripting it pretty much solved the issue
[11:02] <ogra_> Mirv, yes, it should be completely empty except for PATH ... but someone needs to test each of these options to see if they can be dropped or need to be moved
[11:02] <ogra_> thats a little time consuming, which is why nobdy ever did that cleanup yet
[11:02] <Mirv> ogra_: I'm just planning to add a new one ;)
[11:02] <ogra_> NO !
[11:02] <ogra_> definitely not
[11:03] <Mirv> hehe, ok. where would one set for example the existing QT_SELECT in the future?
[11:03] <ogra_> Mirv, isnt that enough in the session ?
[11:03] <ogra_> add it to /etc/profile.d then
[11:03] <ogra_> there is some Qt stuff already
[11:04] <ogra_> (and ubuntu-touch-session sources it)
[11:04] <Mirv> ogra_: it might be so. thanks for keeping the line on sanity!
[11:04] <ogra_> /etc/environment is definitely the wrong place
[11:07] <ogra_> Mirv, hmm i thought we have a bug open about it but i cant find one
[11:07] <ogra_> (about cleaning up the file)
[11:07] <ogra_> perhaps worth filing a new one and pointing pmcgowan to it for his collection
[11:10] <lesamourai> ogra_ , non GUI app is possible , on touch?
[11:10] <ogra_> not via the store
[11:10] <lesamourai> i mmean in unconfined mode
[11:10] <ogra_> you can indeed run scripts etc from commandline
[11:11] <ogra_> and you could as well package that in a click package ...
[11:11] <ogra_> but you wouldnt be able to start it from a .desktop file or so
[11:12] <ogra_> that would have to happen from a script you run from the terminal or adb or ssh
[11:12] <ogra_> which makes having a click package rather useless ...
[11:12] <ogra_> so you could as well just use a tarball
[11:12] <Mirv> ogra_: filed
[11:12] <ogra_> thx
[11:13] <lesamourai> thought touch only supports click installer
[11:13] <ogra_> Mirv, i guess that requires some joined effort from QA and whoever will remove the hack to make sure dropping the mess doesnt cause regressions
[11:14] <ogra_> lesamourai, well, via adb, ssh or the terminal-app it is a normal ubuntu
[11:14] <ogra_> you wouldnt be able to do it via any official way ...
[11:14] <lesamourai> ohk , i will look them up
[11:15] <ogra_> yes, officially only click packages are supported
[11:15] <lesamourai> since app is using dbus , official way seems impossible
[11:16] <ogra_> well, apps can use dbus i think ... for services that are in the rootfs
[11:16] <lesamourai> and last issue ( hopefully) im stuck is running server part as a daemon or  gui less background process :)
[11:16] <ogra_> i.e. client side shoudl always work
[11:16] <lesamourai> i need to register my own service as well..
[11:16] <ogra_> you are not able to add a new service though
[11:16] <lesamourai> client side is np
[11:17] <lesamourai> yep , thats why unconfined mode comes to rescue
[11:17] <ogra_> not really, since no official packaging mechanism could install your service
[11:17] <ogra_> it would have to be included in the rootfs by default to have it officially available
[11:18] <lesamourai> i will look up for rootfs
[11:18] <ogra_> (and note that we dont allow long running daemons there without a very valid reason (since it drains your battery) .... it should be activated by the dbus call only
[11:19] <lesamourai> i see
[12:27] <maggots> any cool console apps that are useful that i could install?
[12:31] <jgdx> !faq
[12:31] <jgdx> maggots, clickapps are graphical apps, so not really.
[12:32] <maggots> well i reflashed the phone in write mode so regular console apps
[12:33] <tathhu> moo :P
[12:33] <tathhu> ... eh no
[12:33] <tathhu> nvm :P
[12:41] <maggots> is it a big job to re flash the phone?
[13:15] <akik> hi. i've got the meizu mx4 ubuntu edition. anybody have news when it's getting the convergence mode?
[13:15] <popey> akik: it isn't.
[13:15] <popey> AIUI
[13:16] <akik> why?
[13:16] <popey> I don't believe the hardware is capable.
[13:16] <akik> what's missing?
[13:16]  * ogra_ thinks the hardware is ... but the driver isnt
[13:16] <akik> i can't believe i spent 300 euros for it
[13:18] <pp__> Hello everybody
[13:19] <pp__> May anybody help me?
[13:19] <ogra_> how would anybody know ?
[13:19] <guest42315> akik, lucky you, it's sold out now... you can't even buy one
[13:19] <pp__> I would like to create an emulator in devel
[13:19] <pp__> unfortunatly after booting the new device
[13:19] <akik> guest42315: a friend got me the permission slip utilizing chrome's incognito windows
[13:20] <pp__> the sdk can not connect to it
[13:20] <ogra_> akik, permission slip ??
[13:20] <pp__> how to solve this?
[13:20] <akik> ogra_: the origami wall
[13:20] <guest42315> ah, yeah! i remember the wall game
[13:20] <ogra_> pp__, try #ubuntu-app-devel,  there are more SDK guys
[13:21] <pp__> ty ogra
[13:21] <pp__> for your nice help
[13:21] <ogra_> akik, ah, that was only for the first few weeks
[13:21] <pp__> I try
[13:21] <guest42315> akik, that was months ago, right?
[13:21] <akik> guest42315: yes
[13:21] <guest42315> akik, so how do you like the mx4?
[13:21] <akik> guest42315: well it's just a phone now. i bought it mainly because of convergence
[13:22] <ogra_> it was never promoted as convergence device
[13:22] <ogra_> in fact it was clearly said it would likely not ever get convergence mode
[13:22] <ogra_> what made you think it would ?
[13:22]  * guest42315 waiting for OTA7 :D
[13:22] <akik> because it is 2015 :)
[13:22] <ogra_> well, that doesnt make the HW or drivers any better :)
[13:23] <akik> so what hw feature is missing from mx4 ?
[13:23] <ogra_> a convergence device is announced for end of year,/ early next year
[13:23] <ogra_> display output to an external display
[13:24] <akik> it's got mhl tv-out
[13:24] <ogra_> i also doubt you would be happy with a 16G device for convergence
[13:24] <ogra_> the HW has
[13:24] <ogra_> the driver doesnt support it
[13:24] <akik> oh mi god. it's linux
[13:24] <guest42315> and the driver is closed source, right?
[13:24] <ogra_> the driver is closed source
[13:24] <guest42315> ewww
[13:24] <guest42315> EWWWW
[13:24] <akik> :( i feel like crying
[13:24] <ogra_> worse than nvidiaon desktops
[13:25] <ogra_> ( you wont find usable open drivers for phones)
[13:25] <akik> 16 gigs storage is just fine. it's not a deal breaker. missing hw support is
[13:26] <ogra_> well, if 8G would be taken by the OS, 16G is small :)
[13:26] <ogra_> the converged image will likely have a bigger footprint
[13:26] <akik> ogra_: you know, i mostly use a terminal and web browser
[13:26] <guest42315> 99.99% of the time
[13:30] <akik> i was at nokia when n900 came out in 2009
[13:30] <akik> that's 6 years ago
[13:31] <akik> cpu ti omap 3430 600 MHz
[13:33] <ogra_> that was an awesome device ... yet it also had to use closed source drivers for nearly everything
[13:33] <guest42315> ogra_,  uh :| so, woke up the phone, in network the wifi is on, and it's telling me that i'm connected to my router but the indicator is no signal and g+ does not load
[13:33]  * ogra_ has one collecting dust sitting on a shelf here ... got it in amsterdam
[13:34] <guest42315> ogra_, i've tried tapping the wifi connection twice, still nothing
[13:34] <ogra_> (when nokia gave them for free to devs)
[13:34] <ogra_> guest42315, sounds liek a bug
[13:35] <guest42315> ogra_, yep, woa.. and now it can't find my router :D
[13:35] <guest42315> probably turnning off and then on wifi will fix it
[13:35] <guest42315> let's try
[13:35] <ogra_> wait for awe ... i bet there is a bug open about that
[13:36] <guest42315> ogra_, thanks :D
[13:36] <abeato> jhodapp, conflict fixed
[13:36] <jhodapp> abeato, cool thanks
[13:36] <abeato> np
[13:37] <ogra_> abeato, you diplomat you :)
[13:37] <guest42315> ogra_,  btw.. turning it off and on again didn't work
[13:37] <guest42315> ogra_,  awe_ i can adb into it and look for stuff if you tell me where
[13:37] <guest42315> else i'm gonna restart the phone
[13:37] <guest42315> ;D
[13:38] <ogra_> well, perhaps tell awe_ about your prob first :)
[13:38]  * ogra_ doesnt work on the phone anymore
[13:38] <tathhu> still not thursday :(
[13:38] <guest42315> :(
[13:39] <tathhu> but soon!
[13:39] <guest42315> awe_, o, woke up the phone, in network the wifi is on, and it's telling me that i'm connected to my router but the indicator is no signal and g+ does not load, i've tried tapping the wifi connection twice, still nothing
[13:39] <guest42315> awe_, turning the wifi off and on again does nothing
[13:39] <guest42315> awe_, mx4 ota6
[13:39] <abeato> ogra_, :P
[13:40] <awe_> guest42315, any non-std software installed?
[13:40] <guest42315> this will be my 3 restart today, it locked up/self restarted (unity?) twice before todat
[13:40] <guest42315> today
[13:40] <guest42315> awe_, nope
[13:40] <awe_> ( ie. did you make the phone writable? )
[13:40] <awe_> k
[13:41] <guest42315> awe_, i just have the open store
[13:41] <awe_> can you run a few commands for me?
[13:41] <guest42315> is that non standard?
[13:41] <awe_> welll... ogra_^^?
[13:41] <guest42315> and from open store i have tweak geek
[13:41] <awe_> ogra_, does the open store require writable permissing?
[13:41] <awe_> hmmm
[13:42] <ogra_> awe_, no idea, i never used it, thats a mzanetti toy
[13:42] <awe_> no guarantees with tweak-geek installed.  From what I know, that works around certain touch policies, and therefore *could* interefere with networking.
[13:42] <guest42315> i don't think it does mzanetti
[13:43] <guest42315> awe_, i just use that to go into windowed mode, because i'm too lazy to write stuff in the terminal
[13:43] <awe_> ok
[13:44] <awe_> if you go to system settings / WiFi
[13:44] <awe_> can you find your AP in the list?
[13:44] <awe_> Is it checked?
[13:44] <guest42315> yep, wifi on
[13:45] <guest42315> and it doesn't show my router
[13:45] <guest42315> it shows me that i'm connected to a random dlink router
[13:45] <guest42315> now i can see mine
[13:45] <guest42315> and is gone again
[13:46] <guest42315> it just pops in and out
[13:46] <awe_> is the random dlink router secure?
[13:46] <awe_> ( ie. is there a lock icon present? )
[13:46] <guest42315> awe_, yep
[13:46] <awe_> hmmm, and you don't recall every typing in the pw?
[13:46] <guest42315> and now the list is empty
[13:46] <guest42315> usually there are at least 6 router there
[13:47] <awe_> this is system-settings, correct?
[13:47] <guest42315> system settings \ wi-fi
[13:47] <awe_> If it showed dlink as connected, what you need to do is make the device forget that AP
[13:48] <awe_> so if you see the dlink AP come up again, click the arrow next to it, and then click the "forget" button
[13:48] <guest42315> awe_, i can restart the phone and it will probably fix it :D
[13:48] <awe_> not is there's a connection
[13:48] <awe_> s/is/if/
[13:48] <awe_> another thing you can do to manually get rid of it
[13:49] <guest42315> ok, clicked on forget this network, and now the list is empty again :D
[13:49] <awe_> is cd /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections as root, and rm the associated connection file
[13:49] <guest42315> and now i have a tenda and ubuntu :D
[13:49] <awe_> but you probably want to stop network-manager first
[13:49] <awe_> then start it again
[13:49] <guest42315> awe_, i don't want to fix it :D a restart will do that
[13:50] <guest42315> awe_,  hm.. let's restart
[13:50] <awe_> can you please check system-connections first?
[13:51] <awe_> If you have a bad connection file in there, it's always going to try to re-connect to that AP
[13:51] <awe_> and will cause problems
[13:51] <guest42315> rebooted :(
[13:51] <awe_> well check after it restarts
[13:51] <guest42315> ok
[13:52] <awe_> also, please check /var/crash to see if there's any NM crash files present
[13:52] <guest42315> awe_, hm.. restarting didn't fix it :\
[13:52] <guest42315> ok.. lemme connect to the desktop
[13:52] <awe_> guest42315, please try my suggestions then
[13:53] <awe_> I have a mtg in 5m, so will be unavailable for awhile
[13:53] <guest42315> awe_, i'm trying right now, just a sec to connect the cable
[13:56] <guest42315> awe_, /var/crash http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12602769/
[13:56] <guest42315> i don't see any nm crash files
[13:57] <awe_> yea, but plenty of other crash files...  ;(-
[13:57] <guest42315> it usually crashes 2 or 3 times / day :D
[13:57] <guest42315> mx4 ota6
[13:57] <guest42315> i got used to :D
[13:57] <guest42315> hehe
[13:58] <rsalveti> morphis: pong
[13:58] <awe_> well... I'd recommend uninstalling tweak geek and see if your phone fixes itself.  Anyways, I have to jump into a mtg now
[13:59]  * awe_ falls over
[13:59] <guest42315> awe_, thank :D go
[13:59] <awe_> it's rsalveti!  w00t!
[13:59]  * ogra_ quickly shoves a pillow under awe_
[14:00] <tathhu> anyone can pop bug report about rando mfreezes on bq devices? (random aand gotta reboot)
[14:00] <guest42315> rm * in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections as root
[14:00] <guest42315> now
[14:00] <rsalveti> awe_: hey hey :-)
[14:00] <guest42315> ok, all clean
[14:00] <ogra_> awe_, he's a top manager now !
[14:01] <guest42315> still can't see my router :D
[14:01] <guest42315> pff :(
[14:04] <pixel_> ogra_, yay! restarted the phone and the router and now wifi works again
[14:04] <tathhu> \o/
[14:05] <pixel_> now i'm wondering what fixed it? the router or the phone restart :))
[14:05] <ogra_> well, if you'd done proper debugging you would only have restarted one of them at a time :)
[14:05] <ogra_> ... next time then
[14:05] <tathhu> :D
[14:05] <pixel_> ogra_, :D haha yes :D
[14:05] <pixel_> noted :D
[14:05] <abeato> xavigarcia, indicator-sound and media-hub updated in silo 55
[14:06] <xavigarcia> abeato: cool, thanks!
[14:06] <abeato> np
[14:10] <mterry> oSoMoN, re: bug 1500444.  my setting is fine -- it should be saving the session.  My session.json file does seem to be stuck at the old session that wasn't restored correctly.  So I guess it is corrupted somehow.  I could send it to you, but would want to know exactly what is in the savedState base64 field, before I can tell how sensitive the data is  :)
[14:12] <oSoMoN> mterry, savedState contains a (base64-encoded) binary state of the page, that includes form data, current scroll offsets, navigation (back/forward) history, and maybe other things, so it is potentially sensitive
[14:12] <xavigarcia> abeato: I've tested it and seems to be OK now...
[14:12] <mterry> oSoMoN, yeah...  I had a lastpass vault open.  So maybe too sensitive to hand around.  Can I help figure this out another way?
[14:12] <mterry> oSoMoN, I will point out that this was the session that was open when I rebooted
[14:12] <mterry> Don't know if that's a clue
[14:13] <abeato> xavigarcia, good, but I guess we need to address/explain the other 2 issuesç
[14:13] <abeato> jhodapp, have you seen rvr's comments in https://trello.com/c/BWPvIkY7/2276-269-ubuntu-landing-055-qtubuntu-media-media-hub-jhodapp ?
[14:13] <abeato> jhodapp, there are 3 issues mentioned, the first one is solved now in indicator-sound
[14:13] <jhodapp> no
[14:14] <abeato> the second might be music-app
[14:14] <abeato> the third is a design issue according to xavigarcia
[14:14] <oSoMoN> mterry, you’d need to instrument the code that loads the last session, see where it blows up, the entry point is there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/webbrowser/Browser.qml#L1383
[14:15] <jhodapp> abeato, yes indeed, and #2 is how the current app chooses to handle hitting the start of the tracklist or the end of the tracklist
[14:15] <xavigarcia> abeato: I think the 3rd is just a known issue, as the media role changes when the music is paused
[14:15] <oSoMoN> mterry, it would also be interesting to see if it fails with a trimmed session.json file where the savedState blobs are removed
[14:15] <oSoMoN> mterry, if it does, then you could hand me the trimmed file, with no sensitive data
[14:15] <mterry> oSoMoN, ok, will experiment
[14:16] <abeato> jhodapp, xavigarcia, so
[14:16] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:16] <xavigarcia> abeato: it happens any time the audio role changes, (for example at the end of a playlist.... the music stops and the role changes back to ringtone)
[14:16] <jhodapp> xavigarcia, yes, that's how it's supposed to work
[14:16] <jhodapp> at least by design
[14:16] <abeato> jhodapp, xavigarcia, I see, so what do we do with the silo? is it good enough? do we need to land music-app at the same time?
[14:16] <xavigarcia> jhodapp: yup
[14:17] <jhodapp> abeato, we can't land music-app at the same time...there's a lot of other things that need work both in music-app and media-hub
[14:17] <mterry> oSoMoN, ah...  the lock file was still there
[14:17] <mterry> oSoMoN, moving the lock file out of the way fixed it
[14:17] <jhodapp> abeato, we might be able to get the music-app guys to release a new version that just handles the end of tracklist/beginning of tracklist better
[14:18] <oSoMoN> mterry, interesting, that would be a bug in QLockFile, it should have discarded the stale lock
[14:18] <abeato> popey, jhodapp who can be ping about music-app?
[14:18] <jhodapp> abeato, ahayzen
[14:18] <jhodapp> or victorp
[14:19] <jhodapp> err, victor
[14:19] <jhodapp> t
[14:19] <popey> abeato: what do you need?
[14:20] <jhodapp> popey, music-app to handle the second point made by vruiz here: https://trello.com/c/BWPvIkY7/2276-269-ubuntu-landing-055-qtubuntu-media-media-hub-jhodapp
[14:21] <popey> which build of music did they use?
[14:21] <jhodapp> popey, not sure the specific version, but should be the latest stable version
[14:21] <popey> is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xzI4D6knVJ6VmXxqJ2gyGSMowbtVVoNPgQl1fywim_U/edit up to date (not touched since sept 11)
[14:23] <jhodapp> popey, #4 is probably fixed now
[14:23] <jhodapp> popey, so mostly up to date, but definitely needs some updating
[14:23] <mterry> oSoMoN, maybe because the pid listed in the lockfile is an actual process upon the reboot?  (an indicator-printers-service process)
[14:23] <jhodapp> popey, but that's using the development version of music-app that is using background playlists
[14:24] <mterry> oSoMoN, oh wait, I see it saves the process name
[14:24] <oSoMoN> mterry, I don’t remember the internals of QLockFile
[14:24] <popey> abeato: can you file a bug in lp:music-app ?
[14:24] <popey> I'll point the guys at it (and they'll see the bug mail)
[14:25] <akik> still hope for meizu mx4? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvEWAz-iFfg "it's a good demonstration of convergence"
[14:25] <abeato> popey, sure
[14:25] <jhodapp> popey, have you seen ahayzen since he started back to university?
[14:26] <popey> jhodapp: yup, we spoke on friday.
[14:26] <popey> I said I'd pounce on you today :)
[14:26] <jhodapp> popey, ha!
[14:26] <jhodapp> popey, cool, I'm sure I'll catch him online soon then and will discuss this with him
[14:27] <popey> jhodapp: lets pounce on him when he's around
[14:27] <jhodapp> popey, sounds good
[14:27] <abeato> jhodapp, popey https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1500457
[14:27] <popey> thanks abeato
[14:28] <jhodapp> thanks abeato
[14:30] <oSoMoN> where does the code for the video scope live?
[14:33] <jhodapp> oSoMoN, check with dednick on that
[14:34] <dednick> oSoMoN: what part of the video scope? the content of the UI?
[14:36] <oSoMoN> dednick, I want to know with which URL the scope invokes the browser when opening a popular youtube video
[14:37] <dednick> tsdgeos: ^
[14:38] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: that's probably you right? ↑↑
[14:38] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/unity-scope-youtube
[14:39] <davidcalle> (oSoMoN, there are several Youtube scopes on launchpad, this is the one used on Unity8)
[14:39] <jhodapp> abeato, reviewed the MR, some comments
[14:39] <oSoMoN> davidcalle, thanks!
[14:40] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, np
[14:40] <abeato> jhodapp, ok, taking a look
[14:41] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, and to answer your question directly, it's using "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=" + id
[14:48] <pstolowski> oSoMoN, lemme check
[14:49] <pstolowski> oSoMoN, ah, davidcalle already replied
[14:56] <mterry> oSoMoN, indeed, seems a bug in QLockFile.  The unix implementation of QLockFilePrivate::isApparentlyStale() does not use the appname information at all -- merely checks if the pid exists
[14:59] <tsdgeos> mterry: it does, maybe not in our version?
[15:01] <tsdgeos> at least 5.6 uses appname in there
[15:02] <mterry> tsdgeos, indeed
[15:16] <mterry> oSoMoN, this stale lock issue would affect the phone too, eh?  Not just the desktop
[15:16] <oSoMoN> mterry, most probably yes
[15:16] <mterry> oSoMoN, ick.  That might be worth backporting then
[15:17] <mterry> oSoMoN, there's a patch sitting in qt, doesn't seem too gross
[15:19] <oSoMoN> mterry, agreed
[16:23] <gerlowskija> Hi all, quick question about Ubuntu Touch perf.  I'll occasionally see some solid lag when unlocking my phone and doing other various tasks.  I'm familiar with the process for reporting bugs in core-apps and other parts of the OS, but I'm not aware of anywhere to go to discuss/help with perf issues.  Is there any place I should be looking?  I'm more than willing to report issues when I see see them, gather logs, etc, but I'm not sure w
[16:23] <gerlowskija> here to go.  Does anyone have any pointers/suggestions?
[16:31] <morphis> rsalveti: sorry for the late re-ping
[16:32] <morphis> rsalveti: wanted to check with you on how the audio routing is implemented in touch for HFP
[16:32] <morphis> I am coming along with porting that to bluez5 but just want to recap if you have a short moment if I got things right
[17:01] <jgdx> gerlowskija, it's a known issue, if I'm not mistaken.
[17:02] <jgdx> gerlowskija, if I
[17:03] <jgdx> gerlowskija, if I'm not, it's bug 1480877 and will be fixed in OTA7 (next major update).
[17:11] <taiebot> Waouh you guys are going to be busy or is it just a redesign of the first set up of the phone ? http://design.canonical.com/2015/09/why-the-first-impression-matters/
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/more-ubuntu-phones-coming-soon-says-official-site-492973.shtml
[17:20] <gerlowskija> Ok, thanks jgdx.  If a similar perf issue crops up in the future, is there anywhere particular to report it, or do I have to actually know the package responsible to report/discuss the bug?  (The bug you mentioned above it tied to network-manager and dbus at least).
[17:27] <dobey> so much white
[17:28] <dobey> gerlowskija: to know exactly which package to report against, you'd need to do a little debugging and find out what is causing the issue; ie, is something using 100+% CPU, is something flooding dbus, etc…
[17:29] <pixel_> gerlowskija, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[17:40] <taiebot> awe_ Sorry to bother you. Any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1323837  ? Just coming back from holidays abroad and due to the above did not have any network.
[17:40] <awe_> taiebot, we have no plans currently to support SIM toolkit
[17:40] <awe_> what phone are you using? BQ?
[17:41] <awe_> also next time you go abroad, you should consider purchasing a local SIM
[17:42] <taiebot> awe_ nexus 4 well that is bad that means UT will depend completely of the network carrier.
[17:43] <awe_> taiebot, patches are always welcome
[17:43] <awe_> ;)-
[17:43] <awe_> that said, SIM toolkit requires UI work, and that's not my area
[17:44] <awe_> if you really want SIM toolkit, you need to convince our product team of the need.  There's not much I can do about it
[17:44] <taiebot> awe_ who is the product team
[17:45] <awe_> the people at Canonical who make decisions about the product
[17:45] <awe_> feel free to start an email thread
[17:45] <awe_> on the mailing list
[17:45] <taiebot> awe_ it was done a year ago and bumped it 3month ago with no reply
[17:46] <awe_> taiebot, that's probably because nobody else has asked for it
[17:46] <awe_> it actually is pretty old-school tech
[17:46] <awe_> and therefore hasn't been considered critical to the product.  If it was, we'd probably head about it from Meizu or BQ
[17:46] <awe_> but we haven't
[17:46] <awe_> I'm sorry, but as mentioned there's not much I can do about it
[17:49] <taiebot> awe_ I understand will try to convince more people to make this happens. :-D
[17:52] <taiebot> awe_ thank you for your answers
[17:54] <awe_> taiebot, your welcome
[18:16] <Kinoko> Is posible to the ubuntu adms change my user@id: from my phone remotely?
[18:17] <ogra_> you mean your PIN ?
[18:17] <Kinoko> I am curious about that. Seriously
[18:17] <Kinoko> ogra_: no, my user@id linux terminal
[18:17] <ogra_> the user account is hardoded .... the user is "phablet" everywhere
[18:18] <ogra_> and no, there is no way ro change that remotely :)
[18:18] <ogra_> *to
[18:18] <ogra_> (well, technically there probably would be with a lot of scriptery ... but that doesnt exist)
[18:19] <Kinoko> ogra_; no way? How my user@host: changed 3 times in 2 days without usermod or some another app?
[18:19] <ogra_> given that a lot on the phone is bound to that phablet user, a lot would break if that would be changed
[18:21] <ogra_> (it is still not clear to me what you mean by user@host ... the "phablet@localhost" you see in the terminal app or via adb or ssh ??)
[18:22] <ogra_> (or rather phablet@ubuntu-phablet)
[18:23] <Kinoko> ogra_: today is my bizarre user@id
[18:24] <Kinoko> ogra_: today is my bizarre user@id
[18:24]  * ogra_ doesnt really get what you mean ... there is only one user on the pühone that is called phablet, and the password DB is readonly
[18:24] <ogra_> (and neither adduser nor any other tool work with that setup currently)
[18:25] <Kinoko> ogra_: today is my bizarre user@id
[18:25]  * ogra_ gives up
[18:26] <tathhu> ogra_, <3
[18:26] <tathhu> :P
[18:26] <Kinoko> ogra_: i really don't understand
[18:26] <ogra_> Kinoko, i dont understand what you mean by user@host
[18:27] <ogra_> there is exactly one user on an ubuntu phone ... and that user is called pahblet ...
[18:27] <Kinoko> This id is the third. Changed alone without advice
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> Kinoko: maybe you should explain wich device and Os your on
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> Kinoko: wnad what your trying to do with this
[18:28] <Kinoko> ogra_: if i becxame root? Mi id change or not?
[18:28] <ogra_> Kinoko, on the ubuntu  phone ?
[18:29] <Kinoko> ogra_: yes...
[18:29] <ogra_> sure, if you do something like "sudo -s" or "sudo -i" it prints root@ubuntu-phablet at the terminal prompt
[18:30] <ogra_> but generally that should just be ohablet@
[18:30] <ogra_> err
[18:30] <ogra_> phablet@
[18:30] <ogra_> and there are no other users
[18:30] <ogra_> and since the filesystem is readonly the password db cant just change back and forth
[18:31] <Kinoko> ogra_: ok. Now i will change the phone to android. What you think?
[18:31] <ogra_> ??
[18:31] <tathhu> whaaaaat is going on
[18:31] <ogra_> yu mean you want to flash android on your ubuntu phone ?
[18:32]  * ogra_ wonders if Kinoko is a bot or just badly trying to troll ... or simply not capable of getting across what he meaans
[18:32] <Kinoko> ogra_: is posible to someone hack ubuntu phone ontheair amd change the whoami name?
[18:32] <ogra_> no
[18:33] <ogra_> not if you didnt tinker with the phone
[18:33] <ogra_> if you made it writable, installed stuff on the commandline or some such, then no guarantees ... a default ubuntu phone is secure
[18:34] <Kinoko> ogra_: thanks. Now change to android. Is posible to someone hack android ontheair for change the whoami name?
[18:34] <ogra_> no idea
[18:34] <ogra_> probably ...
[18:34] <ogra_> androids security model isnt so particulary safe
[18:34] <jgdx> java!1
[18:35] <ogra_> well, not necessarily java ... simply the fact that any app can access any data
[18:35] <jgdx> java applets!
[18:35] <ogra_> but java adds to that indeed ;)
[18:35] <Kinoko> ogra_: i prove. That. My name from qhoami was changed 3 times in 2 days without any installed tool to do that on android...
[18:35] <jgdx> ogra_, that's true?
[18:36] <jgdx> ogra_, app A can read from app B's files?
[18:36] <ogra_> i think so ... how else would an app be able to read your addressbook :)
[18:36] <ogra_> without you knowing
[18:36] <ogra_> or to track your location
[18:36] <dobey> Kinoko: you are going to have to more explicitly state exactly what your problem is
[18:37] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ whoami
[18:37] <ogra_> phablet
[18:37] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[18:37] <dobey> your whoami isn't going to change unless you explicitly broke something
[18:37] <ogra_> ^^^^ that hasnt changed since i started using this phone about a year ago
[18:37] <tathhu> phabletception
[18:37] <Kinoko> dobey: is a simple question about remote exploits in ubuntu if someday i buy one
[18:38] <ogra_> tathhu, we definitely need to add more layers of phablet :)
[18:38] <dobey> Kinoko: no, your question was not simple. you stated that your whoami has changed 3 times without you doing anything. that isn't a question
[18:39] <tathhu> ogra_, I can put my bq when it arrives on top of my nexus :P
[18:39] <ogra_> oh, i could stack quite a few ubuntu phones onto each other ;)
[18:39] <dobey> Kinoko: there is a communications problem here. we do not understand what you are claiming, or wanting to know
[18:39] <ogra_> not sure you can call that inception if you dont fold them though ;)
[18:39] <Kinoko> dobey: not a question? Of course is a question: is posible to renotely someone change my username@host: in ubuntu phone?
[18:39] <ogra_> Kinoko, no
[18:40] <ogra_> it isnt even possible for an app to do that
[18:40] <ogra_> (i.e. locally)
[18:40] <pixel_> Kinoko, on mx4?
[18:41] <dobey> Kinoko: not unless they've gained root access to your phone and changed the root partition to read-write
[18:41] <Kinoko> pixel_: on anything that haves unix ubuntu linux...
[18:41] <pixel_> ok lol
[18:41] <dobey> ie, if you installed an insecure sshd and have it running on an open network or something like that
[18:42] <dobey> by default, the phone is secure though
[18:42] <Kinoko> dobey: if yes this, how to detect and prevent?
[18:42] <dobey> so you will have to explicitly do something to enable that, or some kernel exploit will have to be found that affects the specific kernel on the device (but then, that likely won't get you into the ubuntu side of the system)
[18:43] <dobey> Kinoko: don't break security of your phone and install the updates as they are available
[18:43] <Kinoko> allright... :D
[18:53] <ogra_> what a funny conversation
[18:53] <tathhu> ;D
[19:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, where are the image manifests again
[19:34]  * pixel_ ping facebook o_O
[19:34]  * pixel_ he dead?
[19:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/vivid/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thanks much
[19:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, interesting that the i386 rootfs is 40MB bigger btw ...
[19:36]  * ogra_ remembers they were never tthe same size ... but 40MB sounds like quite a diff)
[19:36] <pmcgowan> indeed
[19:40] <UbuntuUser|76726> hello
[23:51] <Sander^home> have anyone thought about implementing lxc containers for all apps in ubuntu touch?
[23:51] <Sander^home> That way you could isolate every app on the kernel level from eachother.
[23:51] <Sander^home> There is little memory footprint of it.
[23:54] <Sander^home> http://www.janoszen.com/2013/01/22/lxc-vs-openvz/ <-- Here is a overview of what type of isolation LXC have.


[15:43] <efactusa> <IP_ADDRESS>  www.myefact.com myefact.com greatestate.com www.greatestate.com westonmass.net  http://www.myefact.com http://greatestate.com http://westonmass.net   do you know if I am supposed to put the HTTP part in the hosts file for LINUX  server? ?????
[15:43] <efactusa> no one answer my question all the chats are empty :(


[01:06] <Jesus> This is not a direct suport question, so I hope it is ok... I thinking of getting a Asus, are they commonly working with ubuntu? Anyone who knows?
[02:53] <Simira> Jesus: check the LaptopTestingTeam wiki page
[12:07] <quin> anybody keen on helping out with (what I'm sure is yet another) suspend/hibernaion issue? I have an HP nx8220 and have had this problem with both Edgy and Fiesty. Both just hang. So annoying, and I really can't find a fix. *sigh*
[12:08] <quin> oops, sorry... not support


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[00:02] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Apr 25 00:02:36 2018 UTC.
[00:02] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2018/ubuntu-meeting-2.2018-04-22-01.19.moin.txt
[00:57] <strangerdanger6> !ops end the meeting started by the troll
[00:57] <strangerdanger6> !ops
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