[21:18] <blackest> if i can find an .inf file for my laptop monitor can i import it so hardy knows its capabilities
[21:21]  * DanaG is glad his laptop has proper EDID.
[21:21] <RAOF> blackest: Unless your monitor is really, really, bad hardy already knows it's capabilities.
[21:23] <Seeker`> any idea how long a fix will take to appear?
[21:30] <RAOF> Seeker`: For your "I can't boot" problem?  You can probably fix it right now - grub's probably told the kernel to look in the wrong place or something.
[21:32] <RAOF> Heh: "Window manager warning: Received a _NET_WM_MOVERESIZE message for 0x5200006 (EVE); these messages lack timestamps and therefore suck."
[21:33] <DanaG> Another error that sucks: the GTK setuid warning.
[21:33] <DanaG> All it gives is a PID.... of a process that then dies.
[21:34] <Seeker`> RAOF: The previous Kernel (-11) works fine
[21:34] <RAOF> Seeker`: That in no way invalidates what I said :)
[21:35] <Seeker`> RAOF: It has the same UUID as the previous kernel
[21:43] <jester7> yikes....so i like orange, and i don't mind brown, but is the new color for hardy seriously peach?
[21:44] <skwashd> hi
[21:44] <skwashd> i upgraded about 10 hours ago and went to bed
[21:44] <skwashd> rebooted this morning
[21:44] <skwashd> and now i am stuck with a non roman input method as the system setting
[21:45] <skwashd> i can't find where to change it
[21:45] <skwashd> any ideas?
[21:45] <bardyr> skwashd, System -> Preferences -> Keyboard
[21:46] <skwashd> bardyr: nope ... nothing there changes the system default "input method"
[21:46] <skwashd> that only changes the keyboard map
[21:46] <bardyr> input method?
[21:46] <skwashd> bardyr: yes ... input method ... right click in evo when composing an email and the setting is there
[21:47] <skwashd> mine was set to system in all apps
[21:47] <skwashd> now i have to manually set it to simple or i get some asian input method
[21:56] <gew> hey guys , i got a quick q
[21:57] <gew> i just upgraded my kernel to <IP_ADDRESS> and for chose to keep my old kernel ... now i wanna use the new one
[21:57] <gew> how do i do it
[21:57] <gew> uname -a shows 24-11
[21:57] <slipttees> hello
[21:58] <slipttees> gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for recording.
[21:58]  * J-_laptop is having a restore problem. Last night I left the laptop on, it went into hibernate mode after the screen went off, and I go to wake it up today, and was frozen, will small lines and such all over the screen
[21:58] <slipttees> After updating the kernel <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:59] <J-_laptop> s/will/with
[21:59] <jester7> my wife just described hardy's color as "salmon" and "not for men"
[21:59] <jester7> thats just great
[22:00] <gew> real man use cli :)
[22:00] <gew> i am kiddin
[22:00] <gew> your wife knows best
[22:00] <slipttees> Just update the kernel and soon after I was reiniciaer without audio
[22:00] <slipttees> <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:00] <seeitcoming> is anyone here using b43 and did anyone else notice a dive in b43 performance after the most recent new kernel?
[22:01] <gew> seeitcoming: i got b43
[22:01] <slipttees> Linux ubuntu 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Sat Mar 8 02:29:24 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:01] <ethana2> .....my sound device is now gone.
[22:01] <seeitcoming> gew: is it working ok recently?
[22:01] <gew> thank god i kept the old kernel 24-11
[22:01] <slipttees> gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not open audio device for recording.
[22:01] <seeitcoming> as in, more than 4m range?
[22:01] <gew> seeitcoming: i am using it right now
[22:01] <gew> seeitcoming: the range is not great
[22:01] <DanaG> My mom described the wallpaper's background as being the color of "baby puke".
[22:01] <gew> i dont think it ever was
[22:02] <ethana2> DanaG: nice
[22:02] <ethana2> DanaG: so that'd be you, right?
[22:02] <ethana2> ^_^
[22:02]  * Seeker` is still getting kernel panics for -12
[22:02] <seeitcoming> gew: define 'not great'
[22:02] <ethana2> perhaps i should try reverting
[22:02] <ethana2> i'm going to do that...
[22:02] <slipttees> MUAHAH dawn, kernel panic ?!?
[22:02] <DanaG> Nope, I actually hadn't thought of it that way (and I haven't had the "joy" of encountering baby puke).
[22:02] <DanaG> But I do really like the foreground heron.
[22:02] <seeitcoming> gew: because it just stopped working from more than a few feet away today
[22:03] <gew> seeitcoming: right now i am like 10 feet from it , and i get 75%
[22:03] <gew> no walls
[22:03] <slipttees>  I just got here without sound
[22:03] <DanaG> If it becomes the default wallpaper for Hardy, I WILL be getting a case sticker of it (with a background fixed to match the laptop lid) for my next laptop.
[22:03] <gew> but if i go further , i wont be able to see any signal
[22:03] <seeitcoming> gew: same, and if the signal gets below 65% I can't connect to the AP
[22:04] <seeitcoming> I have 80% and I'm literally a metre from the router
[22:04] <slipttees> my internet only work, changing my ip manualy! :S
[22:04] <gew> seeitcoming: the good thing about b43 is that packet injection works
[22:04] <seeitcoming> ^_^
[22:04] <gew> better then bm43xxx
[22:04] <slipttees> ipv6 bug ?
[22:04] <seeitcoming> but range didn't use to be this bad...
[22:04] <gew> i guess
[22:04] <gew> yeap range is badd
[22:04] <seeitcoming> no, I mean b43 had better range *last night*
[22:04] <gew> seeitcoming: i didnt do the 24-12 yet
[22:05] <gew> so cant comment on that
[22:05] <gew> :X
[22:05] <seeitcoming> I'm quite tempted to revert to the -10 kernel
[22:05] <seeitcoming> because having wireless this teh suck is just inconvenient
[22:05] <slipttees> !paste
[22:05] <ubotwo> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[22:05] <gew> seeitcoming: are u using aircrack-ng with it
[22:06] <seeitcoming> gew: nope, I'm on my own network here :)
[22:06] <gew> got it
[22:06] <ethana2> i'm back on the previous kernel now
[22:06] <ethana2> sound evidently works again
[22:06] <gew> seeitcoming: what kinda laptop u got
[22:06] <gew> here Dell inspiron 1525
[22:06] <ethana2> ...i thought sound was seperate from the kernel....
[22:07]  * DanaG has iwl3945.
[22:07] <seeitcoming> gew: hp tx1020ea
[22:07] <seeitcoming> (rebranded tx1000)
[22:07] <jester7> gew: hey, my 1525 is on should be here this week!
[22:07] <slipttees> My internet only works after I change my ip manually whenever turn off or restart the pc have to change my ip!
[22:07] <jester7> gew: what do yo uthink of it?
[22:07] <gew> jester7: sweet
[22:07] <gew> you get what u pay for i guess , but still is nice
[22:07] <gew> huge monitor
[22:07] <jester7> gew: did you get it with ubuntu preinstalled?
[22:08] <gew> jester7: nope , came with vista
[22:08] <gew> pro preinstalled is better
[22:08] <seeitcoming> gew: ew ew ew ew ew ew ew
[22:08] <alex123> hi guys. i'm on a 4th gen macbook pro, and the keyboard doesn't work in gutsy. i've heard that the kernel has been patched to fix this and that it works in hardy. Is it risky to upgrade to alpha 6, on a production machine? Can gvfs corrupt my files etc? please let me know your opinions
[22:08] <seeitcoming> mine came with that installed
[22:08] <skwashd> found my problem ... some SCIM thing started and set itself to ama<somehting>ic
[22:08] <DanaG> Speaking of HP:  https://blackboard.calpoly.edu/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?useCas=1&tab=courses&url=/bin/common/course.pl?course_id=_157744_
[22:08] <gew> i installed mine :D
[22:08] <DanaG> argt
[22:08] <DanaG> wrong thing.
[22:08] <DanaG> http://h20181.www2.hp.com/plmcontent/NACSC/SML/
[22:08] <jester7> gew: yeah, i got a refurb for $609 with the 1.66 duo, 2 gb ram and the webcam
[22:08] <DanaG> aah, that's what I meant.
[22:08] <slipttees> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59074/
[22:09] <slipttees> look this
[22:09] <gew> jester7: thats not bad
[22:09] <jester7> gew: but it comes with vista
[22:09] <DanaG> Lots and lots of documentation.
[22:09] <gew> i only got 512 ram
[22:09] <DanaG> Including a "Setup Menu" emulator with descriptions of what everything does!
[22:09] <gew> i am gona buy some on 15th
[22:09] <gew> no webcam here
[22:09] <gew> seeitcoming: how far do u have to go to lose the signal all the way
[22:10] <gew> i am only curious
[22:10] <jester7> gew: wow, i didn't even realize you could get them wiht 512 :|
[22:10] <gew> jester7: yeap , lets say outa the box(default)
[22:10] <DanaG> Do take a look at that Media Services Library thingie.  I like when companies document stuff that thoroughly.
[22:10] <seeitcoming> gew: about 15 feet but there's a wall sort of in the way
[22:10] <gew> seeitcoming: give me a sec i am doing some upgrades , i will test it for you
[22:10] <gew> with 24-11
[22:10] <seeitcoming> awesome, thanks :)
[22:11] <DanaG> I'd like to see somebody color-match the Heron wallpaper background to the HP Business laptops.
[22:12] <gew> seeitcoming: what kidna router u got ..
[22:12] <gew> i got a linksys and using dd-wrt
[22:13] <slipttees> hi guys, my internet only works after I change my iP address manually, whenever turn off or restart my Pc ihave to change my IP address! The problem is not in my gateway, why have another PC with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy and internet works perfect, we always hardy only in the procedure needs to be done to change the IP to work! : S
[22:13] <Adys> Are there any known bugs on the latest unstable alsa updates?
[22:13] <Adys> Im unable to get any sound after it
[22:13] <Adys> no volume controle GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[22:13] <gew> slipttees: i never had that problem
[22:13] <gew> sournd crazy tho
[22:14] <slipttees> Any solution, use fixed ip ?
[22:14] <slipttees> Any solution, I use fixed ip!
[22:14] <seeitcoming> gew: bt homehub
[22:14] <gew> k
[22:14] <gew> let me diconnect be back in a sec
[22:14] <jester7> so now i've been told that it's my monitor, so does hardy's new murrine color scheme look orange, or more of a salmon color to you guys?
[22:14] <seeitcoming> baiii
[22:15] <slipttees> Adys: i have same problem
[22:15] <slipttees> after install released kernel <IP_ADDRESS> buged
[22:15] <Adys> its recent slipttees ?
[22:15] <slipttees> :-)
[22:15] <Adys> hm
[22:15] <slipttees> use -11 again
[22:15] <slipttees> Adys: look  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/59074/
[22:16] <slipttees> my dmesg
[22:16] <slipttees> eheheh
[22:17] <Adys> ill have a look cheers
[22:17] <slipttees> ;-)
[22:18] <slipttees> 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
[22:18] <darx> what is this configuration for "hesiod domain for searches"
[22:18] <darx> ??
[22:18] <darx> the default is .canonical.com what does it do?
[22:21] <slipttees> hu guys, my internet only works after I change my iP address manually, whenever turn off or restart my Pc ihave to change my IP address! I have another computer as a gateway the problem is not in my gateway, why have another PC with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy and internet works perfect, we always hardy only in the procedure needs to be done to change the IP to work! : S Any solution, I use fixed ip!
[22:21] <slipttees> ?
[22:22] <slipttees> sorry my pour english google translation! :-)
[22:22] <darx> are you running dhcp?
[22:22] <gew> seeitcoming: k , its hard to tell cause the signal still shows up
[22:22] <gew> but i would say 15 feet and it drops
[22:22] <darx> slipttees: ?
[22:23] <seeitcoming> gew: ok I guess
[22:23] <gew> prims54g is cool
[22:23] <slipttees> darx: gateway don't have dhcp!
[22:23] <gew> i wish i had that
[22:23] <slipttees> only use fixed ip!
[22:23] <gew> i have no pcmcia slot .. and not sure if i cam good at chanign built-in wifi
[22:24] <darx> slipttees: then you'll have to set ubuntu as static as well.
[22:24] <leon_pegg> I am glad they fixed the ATI Driver in alpha6 :D
[22:25] <gew> seeitcoming: have u checked youyr preamble and tx power
[22:25] <darx> leon_pegg: what did they fix?
[22:25] <gew> maybe hte new kernel is more sensitive on that
[22:26] <leon_pegg> well before the FireGL driver made my desktop white when loaded but now it works fine
[22:26] <seeitcoming> gew: no, how do I?
[22:26] <gew> seeitcoming: your router config
[22:26] <gew> that is
[22:27] <leon_pegg> it also happened on gusty when I installed one of the newer drivers (was then fixed by a newer driver still)
[22:27] <DanaG> Handy things to do on dd-wrt: set it to use dnsmasq, and set it to use local dns so you can just type hostnames instead of IP addresses.
[22:27] <seeitcoming> there's no problem with the router
[22:27] <slipttees> darx: I use range Ip 10.10.0.xxx right! Currently using IP: <IP_ADDRESS> netmask: <IP_ADDRESS> gateway: <IP_ADDRESS> DNS: <IP_ADDRESS> but then restart or turn off the PC, I have to go into System => administration => networks and change my IP address to work internet! :-(
[22:27] <seeitcoming> other computers are fine
[22:27] <seeitcoming> and it was fine last night
[22:27] <gew> got it
[22:27] <DanaG> Set local domain to something like "localdomain", and then set it to use local DNS.
[22:28] <gew> seeitcoming: the reason i came here is cause i just upgraded the kernel but chose to use the older kernel and wanted to get 2.6.24-12 ... not sure how to do that , atm i am using 2.6.24-11
[22:28] <slipttees> darx: ipv6 bug or avahi ?
[22:28] <gew> it looks like 12 got issues tho
[22:28] <gew> :P
[22:29] <darx> slippttees: hmm.. i haven't got a clue. you can maybe try disabling ipv6 but i'm not sure if that'll help
[22:29] <slipttees> :p
[22:29] <Adys> slipttees:  seems that didnt help
[22:30] <Adys> It only changed the message :p
[22:30] <slipttees> wait, i'm using google tranalation!
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, dnsmasq on the host also has a few things you can set on the router.
[22:30] <Adys> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured.
[22:30] <seeitcoming> gew: -12 isn't out yet, is it?
[22:30] <gew> seeitcoming: i think it is
[22:30] <aliguori> i'm unsure if this is my fault or not.  is anyone else experience module dependency issues with 2.6.24-12-generic (specifically with the snd modules)?
[22:30] <seeitcoming> gew: you're right. As apt-cache search showed me
[22:31] <gew> heh
[22:31] <seeitcoming> gew: just install it and modify grub config, surely?
[22:31] <gew> i did installed it , also checked grub
[22:31] <DanaG> my options: dhcp-option=3,<IP_ADDRESS>                  dhcp-option=6,<IP_ADDRESS>                      dhcp-option=vendor:MSFT,2,1i                      expand-hosts                  dhcp-authoritative
[22:31] <gew> i think i kept the old menu.lst
[22:31] <gew> let me have another look
[22:32] <slipttees> darx: Then, as disables the ipv6 get to a test ?
[22:32] <jester7> gew: you're running hardy on that 1525?
[22:32] <Adys> aliguori:  aye
[22:32] <slipttees> And how to re-activate the ipv6 ?
[22:33] <aliguori> Adys, looks like a bunch of modules are missing from kernel/sound?
[22:33] <darx> slipttees: that sentence doesn't make any sense :P
[22:33] <Adys> yup
[22:33] <slipttees> :-(
[22:33] <Adys> brb
[22:33] <aliguori> okay, that makes me feel better..  I just put a new motherboard in my box and though i might have toasted the hard drive in the process :-)
[22:34] <seeitcoming> gew: if you have a /boot/grub/grub.cfg check that too
[22:34] <gew> k
[22:34] <Adys> hmm the sound prefs dont like ESD test
[22:34]  * Adys forces reboot
[22:35] <slipttees> darx, Adys: Is a test, poses a fixed ip, and restart the computer, and see if you still end up with internet!
[22:35] <slipttees> ;-)
[22:35] <gew> seeitcoming: dont have cfg , how do i reinstall 24-12 tho
[22:36] <gew> cant find anythin on my grub
[22:36] <blackest> anyone got a basic inf file for an lcd monitor ? i need to somehow get xorg to accept i got a 800x480 screen
[22:37] <seeitcoming> gew: sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-etc
[22:37] <seeitcoming> etc = the actual kernel
[22:37] <gew> k , thanx
[22:37] <seeitcoming> or sudo dpkg-reconfigure
[22:37] <Adys> slipttees: I dont have access to a static IP from this comp :P
[22:37] <seeitcoming> then the name of the package
[22:37] <slipttees> Canonical Doesn't know what Rest ! :p
[22:37] <slipttees> Adys: :-(
[22:38] <gew> seeitcoming: are u isng canonical ?
[22:38] <gew> i am not .
[22:39] <pumpitup> did anyone download the alpha6 desktop amd64 iso..i just burnt it and doesnt seem t work for me
[22:39] <slipttees> gew: do you have access a static IP ?
[22:40] <beautifulsnow> pumpitup:  doesnt work? more details please?
[22:40] <gew> slipttees: i use dhcp
[22:40] <slipttees> :-(
[22:40] <RAOF> beautifulsnow: This looks like a job for...
[22:40] <RAOF> !doesntwork | pumpitup
[22:40] <ubotwo> pumpitup: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[22:41] <pumpitup> well the iso seems to burn fine but not bootable at all and no files appear on the cd but it says 100% usage
[22:41] <slipttees> Nobody here uses static ip?
[22:41] <beautifulsnow> Hey I sit on the couch all day... :( (But i work! ^_^)
[22:41] <gew> slipttees: is your router doing the ips or you do it with your box
[22:41] <seeitcoming> gew: what do you means?
[22:42] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: scrolling up to read your question - hold on
[22:42] <slipttees> :'(
[22:42] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: static, yes.  v6, no.
[22:42] <gew> i means , if i was using static ip , my hardy box would be autoconfig and do all the config via router
[22:43] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: make test from me ?
[22:43] <slipttees> make a test ?
[22:43] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: What do you mean?
[22:44] <beautifulsnow> pumpitup: did you do a md5sum check
[22:44] <slipttees>  my internet only works after I change my iP address manually, whenever turn off or restart my Pc ihave to change my IP address! I have another computer as a gateway the problem is not in my gateway, why have another PC with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy and internet works perfect, we always hardy only in the procedure needs to be done to change the IP to work! : S Any solution, I use fixed ip. I use range Ip 10.10.0.xxx right! Currently using IP
[22:44] <slipttees> again!
[22:44] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: And how have you been adding the route so far?
[22:45] <pumpitup> beautifulsnow: ow i totally forgot about that i should specify its the kde4 version of hardy
[22:45] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: nop
[22:46] <setuid> RAOF, ping
[22:46] <setuid> ;)
[22:46] <setuid> I managed to get it all working, had to use the alternate installer, not the DVD image...
[22:46] <slipttees> tonyyarusso:  network-admin don't make this ?
[22:46] <setuid> Anyone know how to configure all of the compiz/beryl goodness in Hardy? I don't see any sort of config for that anywhere
[22:46] <beautifulsnow> pumpitup:  doesnt matter, should do md5sum
[22:46] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: yes yes :-)
[22:47] <slipttees> ever restart my PC turn the change my ip address :-(
[22:47] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: I'm not sure what n-a does, since my static machines are CLI-only.
[22:47] <Bobbe> okay
[22:47] <slipttees> <IP_ADDRESS> to <IP_ADDRESS> again <IP_ADDRESS> after  <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:47] <Bobbe> weird mistake here
[22:48] <Bobbe> dvd players won't go to menus. They play the film straight away, but I can't access menus. Why?
[22:48] <nandemonai> setuid, Advance Desktop Efects Settings.
[22:48] <Bobbe> nandemonai, was that for me?
[22:49] <tonyyarusso> Bobbe: I think Ogle can do menus.
[22:49] <slipttees> tonyyarusso: Likely ipv6 bug ?
[22:49] <gew> k this is what i get when i run dpkg-reconfigure  , yet 2.6.24-12 is not in my menu.lst ... i did reboot btw http://pastebin.ca/935825
[22:49] <nandemonai> Umm no Bobbe
[22:49] <Bobbe> nandemonai, ok lol
[22:49] <Bobbe> tonyyarusso, gonna try, thanks
[22:49] <Bobbe> but the other players do too, as far as I can remember
[22:49] <tonyyarusso> slipttees: no idea.
[22:50] <slipttees> okay
[22:50] <slipttees> gew: i can't remove linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic :S
[22:50] <seeitcoming> gew: post your menu.lst?
[22:50] <gew> seeitcoming: k
[22:51] <slipttees> Same is a tick! :S
[22:51] <Bobbe> tonyyarusso, it did, but the screen doesn't stretch. Is there a key to open a menu? DIdn't find any
[22:51] <tonyyarusso> Bobbe: that I don't know offhand, sorry
[22:52] <slipttees> gew: Linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-8-generic: subprocess post-removal script returned code output of error 1
[22:52] <setuid> nandemonai, I've enabled a bunch, but... how do I get them to take effect? Restart gdm?
[22:53] <gew> seeitcoming: http://pastebin.ca/935830
[22:53] <nandemonai> setuid, Hmm, they should take effect straight away..
[22:53] <setuid> nandemonai, Ok, how do I activate the "cube" then? It's enabled and I've set two key combinations for next/previous, but they do nothing
[22:53] <setuid> Does metacity use it? Or something else?
[22:54] <DanaG> Oh hey, one way to get dd-wrt to keep addresses fixed longer: expand the dhcp range.
[22:54] <seeitcoming> gew: do you have a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.24-12-generic ?
[22:54] <gew> let me check
[22:54] <nandemonai> setuid, Have you got Rotate Cube enabled too?
[22:55] <gew> seeitcoming: yeap i got it
[22:55] <gew> its all tehre
[22:55] <gew> there
[22:55] <setuid> I do now... and it seems to flip... though, it's a 1-sided cube, apparently
[22:55] <seeitcoming> then just add an entry in menu.lst manually!
[22:55] <gew> k
[22:55] <seeitcoming> setuid: add more workspaces then
[22:56] <setuid> yep, trying to figure out how... metacity isn't my wm of choice
[22:58] <setuid> Doesn't seem to be a lot of help inside this applet, to describe which key combos activate each option and how to configure them
[23:00] <slipttees> everybody
[23:00] <slipttees> http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/4685
[23:00] <setuid> There is no user here called 'everybody'
[23:01] <slipttees> ok sorry
[23:04]  * Dr_Willis hugs ubotu
[23:04] <slipttees> bye bye!
[23:06]  * Dr_Willis wonders what people are thinking - when they talk in this channel. :)
[23:07] <Dr_Willis> But at least with the last updates,  Hardy is getting better! :)
[23:10] <RAOF> setuid: Contextless pong!@
[23:10] <setuid> heheh
[23:10] <setuid> Trying to get the useful compiz stuff working, but ditch the eye-candy
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> Problem is - i find so little of the compiz stuff usefull. :)
[23:11] <setuid> skydome is very slow when you let the mouse go and let it re-settle
[23:11] <Dr_Willis> I like the preview of windows on the windowlist .. wife likes the zoom.
[23:11] <setuid> Dr_Willis, the alt+tab windowlist?
[23:11] <setuid> Or some other preview?
[23:12] <RAOF> setuid: The previews on the taskbar - it's the "window previews" plugin.
[23:12] <setuid> Oh, I don't use any of those things
[23:12] <setuid> no titlebars, no window frames, no docks, panels, wharfs or icons
[23:12] <Dr_Willis> When you mouse over the windows buttons on the bottom taskbar, shows a little miniwindow preview. Like vista does.
[23:13] <RAOF> setuid: Right.  _Seriously_ minimalist.
[23:13] <Dr_Willis> You just use the cube. :)
[23:13] <setuid> RAOF, Nah, there's no point to any of those things... sawfish does all that and more, without clutter
[23:13] <RAOF> setuid: So, you'll want at least the switcher and scale, and almost certainly the various scale addins.
[23:13] <setuid> If windows could only show titlebars when they were modal, that'd be nice
[23:14] <RAOF> setuid: Actually... :)
[23:14] <setuid> The default GNOME/metacity doesn't include any "window previews" plugin, only "Window list", "Window selector" and "Workspace switcher"
[23:14] <RAOF> setuid: You can probably do that in compiz because it's crazily configurable.
[23:14] <Dr_Willis> yep - gotta use the ccsm tool.
[23:15] <setuid> No "taskbar" applet either
[23:15] <setuid> Where might I find that, do see what this window previews thing does
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> 'windows preview' in ccsm
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> but it just goofed up on my system.. odd...
[23:16] <setuid> Right, I enabled that
[23:16] <setuid> now what?
[23:16] <darx> whats the ideal nice value for x server under the new cfs scheduler?
[23:16] <RAOF> setuid: Any taskbar applet will do - you can add it to a panel, or run something else, like AWN or something.
[23:16] <Dr_Willis> mouse over the panel/task manager button
[23:16] <darx> i've been feeling stuttering lately
[23:16] <setuid> No such thing, all I have is "workspace switcher" and hovering over the desktops shown there, does nothing
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I just noticed Visual effects has "none/normal/extras' and no Customized button any more.
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> it shows previews in the window list panel applet..  If you dont have it.. well  you aint going to see much
[23:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[23:18] <setuid> Ok, "Window List" seems to work
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> gggg
[23:18] <setuid> I like alt+tab better than that, no need to move the mouse, it's faster, and shows the "neighbor" previews at the same time
[23:18] <Dr_Willis> Weird - I enable it and now i cant type in xchat
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> couldent even see what i had typed in xchat.
[23:19] <setuid> ooo, nasty gnome bug
[23:19] <Dr_Willis> not sure if its gnome bug, or xchat bug, or compiz bug.
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> I still get the impression that compiz is very much a work in progress. :)
[23:20] <setuid> If I enable "Window list" and use previews, and hover over minimized apps, it shows the preview. If I remove the "Window list" applet from the panel, and hover over the _now blank and empty_ space, it still shows the previews.
[23:20] <Dr_Willis> setuid,  Heh heh :) thats amuzeing
[23:21] <setuid> "Blur windows" plugin does nothing, probably not hooked into the backend yet
[23:21] <RAOF> setuid: "Blur windows" does do something, or at least should.
[23:22] <setuid> If it does, I'm not seeing it
[23:22] <DanaG> You just have to make something transparent to use it.
[23:22] <RAOF> And you need to make sure that transparent something is matched.
[23:23] <darx> never mind i set it to -5
[23:23] <Dr_Willis> They need a 'Drunken Stupor' plugin :)
[23:24] <setuid> What is needed, is some hover-style help for each plugin, or a block of text in the plugin's config dialog, that explains what it does, how to use it, etc.
[23:24] <DanaG> damnflabbit, stupid **************** keyboard got stuck again!
[23:25] <DanaG> That's one critical bug to me.  Not just "major"; I'd call it a showstopper.
[23:25] <DanaG> Imagine what happens if your 'delete' key gets stuck.
[23:25] <Seeker`> I have problems with gnome-settings-daemon, it keeps on crashing. I tried to start it from the command line, and it seems to crash while loading some xrandr stuff
[23:26] <DanaG> Data loss, anyone?
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> DanaG,  no thank you, ive had my fill of windows today.
[23:27] <Dr_Willis> :)
[23:27] <DanaG> At least Windows doesn't lose key-up events.
[23:27] <LimCore> DanaG: wtf????
[23:28] <LimCore> I had same problem on debian
[23:28] <LimCore> DanaG: either I have bad luck for broken keyboards,
[23:28] <LimCore> or kernel and/or X are broken about keyboard key debouncing
[23:29] <DanaG> It only started happening to me in Hardy, and only in January or February.
[23:29] <DanaG> I had been using Hardy just fine before then.
[23:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/124406
[23:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 124406 in ubuntu "Keyboard keys get stuck and repeat (Feisty, Gutsy) (dup-of: 194214)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:33] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 194214 in xorg-server "Keys get "stuck" down" [High,Confirmed]
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> Hmm My bug report is called a dup. but the 'dupe' is for gutsy.
[23:36] <Dr_Willis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/198351
[23:36] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 198351 in fusesmb "fusesmb - Not working properly." [Low,New]
[23:37] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/190934
[23:37] <ubotwo> Launchpad bug 190934 in libgnomekbd "[hardy] keyboard modifiers randomly forgotten" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[23:44] <Milos_SD> did somebody updated to the new 2.6.24-12 kernel?
[23:44] <Milos_SD> and are there any problems with it?
[23:44] <flick> I did
[23:45] <flick> not sure if the problems are with the kernel
[23:45] <flick> but now I have no sound
[23:45] <flick> :P
[23:45] <tgrundle> same here
[23:45] <icesword> hello
[23:45] <flick> anyone notice if there was a libc6 update along with the kernel update?
[23:46] <Milos_SD> with 2.6.24-11 and new nvidia driver my system is not freezing as it was ...
[23:46]  * DanaG goes off to try the -12 kernel.
[23:46] <Milos_SD> but, I don't know is it because of that kernel, restricted modules or new Nvidia drivers ...
[23:47] <Milos_SD> so I don't know should I do the update, because my system is now great with compiz-fusion
[23:47] <Milos_SD> ( Uptime ) 4 days, 12 hours 02 minutes [ Record: 4d 12h 2m 34s ] | Users: 2 | Load: 0.08, 0.23, 0.25
[23:47] <Milos_SD> :)
[23:47] <icesword> ok
[23:48] <icesword> what stage is 8.04 at now
[23:49] <rsk> beta
[23:49] <rsk> er. alpha
[23:50] <pumpitup> is there a comand to show what version of ubuntu im running
[23:50] <tonyyarusso> pumpitup: lsb_release -a
[23:51] <DanaG> -12 works fine for me.
[23:51] <pumpitup> by editiing my sources list and switching gutsy for hardy is this a safe way to dist-upgrade
[23:53] <DanaG> Oh hey, if I have commit=300 in my fstab for root, why isn't it mounted that way?
[23:53] <DanaG> [   32.271714] kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
[23:54] <Adys> Anyone else having a huge memory leak with pidgin (2.4 and lower) since last update cycle?
[23:55] <secretlondon> X has decided to give me 400x300
[23:55]  * secretlondon is back in gutsy ;)
[23:58] <Adys> http://www.devcub.com/~adys/pidginleak.png
[23:58] <RAOF> secretlondon: Luxury!
[23:59] <secretlondon> gdm is fine at 1024x768, it decides to go to 400x300 after I login, xorg.conf hasn't changed :(


[13:08] <nzbrockstar> i have a start up installation prob
[13:08] <nzbrockstar> can any one help.
[13:08] <nzbrockstar> its a very wierd prob..
[13:45] <Guest10748> Hi all!