[04:44] <robert_ancell> RAOF, was / is there an XMir git branch (i.e. with the actual changes on git master and not with a debian/ dir like fdo:~mlankhorst/xserver
[04:44] <robert_ancell> Trying to work out correct attribution for xmir.patch
[04:45] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I presume Maarten has a branch somewhere, but I've only got https://github.com/raof/xserver
[04:45] <RAOF> Which isn't the one that you're after.
[04:48] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Some quick searching shows up http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~mlankhorst/xserver/
[04:48] <robert_ancell> RAOF, that just has debian/ added and everything in the patch file
[04:49] <RAOF> Yeah, dunno, sorry.
[04:49] <robert_ancell> np
[04:49] <RAOF> He presumably had a git tree to develop in, though.
[04:51] <robert_ancell> Presumably
[04:51] <duflu> robert_ancell: It's documented in the obvious place :)
[04:52] <duflu> robert_ancell: https://code.launchpad.net/xmir
[04:52] <duflu> But yeah we definitely need to move it
[04:53] <robert_ancell> duflu, again, that's pointing at a branch containing debian/patches, i.e. not a branch based off master with the changes done inline
[04:53] <robert_ancell> duflu, I am moving it now
[04:53] <robert_ancell> And without the original branch we're going to lose attribution. But it's probably not a big deal.
[04:53] <duflu> robert_ancell: I know it's ugly. I doubt Maarten did maintain anything inline. He was always patches
[04:54] <robert_ancell> I'm going to split up the changes anyway so we can get them upstream at some point
[04:54] <duflu> robert_ancell: I never did figure out how to build in manually too...  Even when you eliminate all the graphics lag, touchscreens are still slow. Plugging a mouse into the same device is dramatically more responsive.
[08:25] <alan_g> alf_: have you had a chance to look at the power off/on/off/on/... crash?
[08:27] <alf_> alan_g: yes, the crash happens in a GL call, I am trying to figure out why...
[08:28] <alan_g> alf_: ack. I'll leave you to it. :)
[08:28]  * alan_g goes to port glmark2-mir to contemporary API
[08:32] <duflu> alan_g: You'll also want to wait till the client ABI bump before updating glmark2-mir in wily. Or else we'll have to do it twice
[08:33] <alan_g> duflu: we need to decide how to work around https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/bump-client-ABI/+merge/258769/comments/646197
[08:33] <alan_g> But at least I can get the code ready
[08:36] <duflu> alan_g: Take it out of CI temporarily I guess. BTW that is https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1341490
[09:10] <alf_> alan_g: @glmark2, I already have an upstream branch for the update
[09:11] <alan_g> alf_: ok, I'll drop mine then
[09:11] <alf_> alan_g: but we will need to update the ubuntu packages
[10:05] <duflu> alf_: Booo.... requires ES3 - https://www.khronos.org/opengles/sdk/docs/man3/html/glReadBuffer.xhtml
[10:05] <duflu> Sigh
[10:05] <duflu> And even then still not FRONT
[10:06] <duflu> ES is surprisingly limited, again
[10:17]  * alan_g does a clean build from trunk and gets "ClientSurfaceEvents.surface_receives_state_events...Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[10:32]  * alan_g realise he did something stupid
[11:17] <alf_> alan_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/fix-1454201-usc-crash-for-0.13/+merge/258863
[11:17] <alan_g> alf_: thanks!
[11:18] <alf_> alan_g: More investigation is needed to figure out why the workaround is needed (and if it's really our fault or the driver's), but this should be enough to unblock the release
[11:18] <alan_g> understood
[11:41] <alan_g> alf_: any ideas? https://code.launchpad.net/~afrantzis/mir/fix-1454201-usc-crash-for-0.13/+merge/258863/comments/646452
[11:46] <alan_g> The test diagnostic is rather unhelpful. :(
[11:47] <alf_> alan_g: I knew I was forgetting something (to check the tests!)
[11:48] <alf_> alan_g: I will fix and update the branch
[11:50] <alan_g> alf_: thanks. [Non-urgent: does the diagnostic need to be so far removed from the actual problem?]
[11:56] <davmor2> alan_g: the issue you spotted yesterday in silo21 did you resolve it at all?
[11:59] <alan_g> davmor2: we're (well alf_) closing on it. I expect to rebuild and test after lunch.
[11:59]  * alan_g goes to lunch while alf_  does the work.
[11:59] <davmor2> alan_g: that's great just remembered about it so thought I'd ask while it was in my head :)
[13:23] <dandrader> I've mir_proving_server running on my laptop as root. Is it possible to run mir clients without being root?
[13:24] <dandrader> I did "sudo chmod a+rwx mir_socket" but trying mir_demo_client_egltriangle without root still gives me "Can't get connection"
[13:25] <dandrader> ok, manually pointing out the location of the mir_socket did the trick: "/tmp$ mir_demo_client_egltriangle -m mir_socket"
[13:26] <dandrader> wonder why I don't have to do so when I run the client as root
[13:27] <alan_g> dandrader: the socket location depends on some environment variables that are set differently
[13:29] <dandrader> alan_g, where/how can I find a list of env vars that mir looks for?
[13:30] <alan_g> mir_proving_server --help ... "Socket filename [string:default=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/mir_socket or  /tmp/mir_socket]"
[13:32] <dandrader> alan_g, so this translates to having a MIR_SERVER_HOST_SOCKET in the environment of the client app?
[13:33] <greyback_> dandrader: I usually set MIR_SOCKET=/tmp/mir_socket
[13:33] <alan_g> If you run as root then $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR isn't set so server and client look at /tmp/mir_socket
[13:33] <alan_g> If you run as non-root then it is usually set
[13:35] <dandrader> alan_g, I got it from the help text. but what's the name of the env var I should use for the client?
[13:36] <dandrader> alan_g, it says nothing aboutn the existence of the MIR_SOCKET env var
[13:36] <dandrader> greyback_, thanks!
[13:42] <racarr> So...autolanding is down I guess?
[13:59] <greyback_> alan_g: fyi, qtmir had some landings. I'm working on fixing up qtmir/devel-mir-next to suit
[13:59] <alan_g> greyback_: Oh. I'll need to roll that into silo 021
[14:00] <greyback_> alan_g: yep, exactly why I'm doing it
[14:00] <alan_g> Thanks. Is it a long job?
[14:00] <greyback_> alan_g: nah, almost there, just 2 new tests I'm being careful with
[14:01] <alan_g> Excellent (rebuild of mir will be finished shortly)
[14:02] <greyback_> alan_g: in the CI Dashboard, your silo21 is for "vivid primary" - I didn't think we could land there any more
[14:02] <greyback_> tho I see plenty of other silos with the same
[14:03] <greyback_> my qtmir landing was in vivid+stable-overlay
[14:03] <alan_g> I don't know why not. So long as we don't break ABI
[14:04] <greyback_> things are unclear
[14:05] <alan_g> They certainly are
[14:06] <alan_g> I thought "overlay" was a temporary substitute until wily was usable. But it got hijacked
[14:28] <racarr> Planning to rework the event representation today (mostly to line up to input_event.cpp/the C API)
[14:28] <racarr> starting to realize there may  be some advantage to
[14:28] <racarr> deunionizing the event...
[14:29] <racarr> I was thinking about the playground shell and the big if statement for handling
[14:29] <racarr> keybindings there and realized what you want is probably some sort of
[14:29] <kdub> I feel like I've never had the genuine thought 'awesome, its a union'
[14:29] <racarr> kdub: not since I was 12 or so here :p
[14:30] <racarr> haha uh but you want
[14:30] <racarr> some sort of Keybinder interface
[14:30] <racarr> but then I realized keybinding description is
[14:30] <racarr> the same signature as "MirKeyboardEvent" - "MirInputEvent"
[14:30] <racarr> (Minus MirInputEvent that is)
[14:30] <racarr> so if you could construct a MirKeyboardEvent without constructing the enclosing
[14:30] <racarr> MirInputEvent
[14:30] <racarr> MirKeyboardEvent could be the
[14:30] <racarr> authorative uh
[14:30] <racarr> key type
[14:30] <racarr> lol
[14:31] <racarr> and avoid this android input mess of
[14:31] <racarr> MotionEvent v. NotifyMotionArgs (partially constructed MOtionEvent basically)
[14:33] <racarr> in other news I literally forgot to drink coffee
[14:33] <racarr> this morning
[14:33] <racarr> this is unprecedented
[14:41] <racarr> Hmm
[14:42] <racarr> I've been thinking of promoting (Keyboard/Touch/Pointer)Event::Modifiers to InputEvent
[14:42] <racarr> but the above thought suggests otherwise
[14:47] <anpok_> and then do things like comparing events..
[14:47] <anpok_> but does it matter that there is a union?
[14:48] <racarr> anpok_: Well the thing is if
[14:48] <racarr> its a union then they all need to contain
[14:48] <racarr> timestamp
[14:48] <racarr> which ISNT part
[14:48] <racarr> of a keybinding
[14:48] <racarr> description
[14:48] <racarr> and
[14:48] <racarr> device_id
[14:48] <racarr> which...could be
[14:48] <racarr> lol
[14:48] <racarr> ugh
[14:49] <racarr> I guess thats suggesting the time is the unique member
[14:49] <racarr> yeah because its like
[14:49] <racarr> a Keyboard state
[14:49] <racarr>  + a time
[14:49] <racarr>  = an event
[14:50] <anpok_> or + occurence
[14:50] <racarr> what do you mean?
[14:50] <anpok_> if you leave the device id out of the keyboard stae
[14:50] <anpok_> *state
[14:50] <racarr> ah, yes.
[14:50] <anpok_> where and when
[14:53] <racarr> hmm
[14:53] <racarr> so if not a union...C++ inheritance?
[14:53] <racarr> Rust traits + FFI
[14:54] <racarr> ...focus focus
[15:01] <kdub> how did we end up with so much 'required' in protobuf :/
[15:05] <camako> kdub, standup
[15:05] <kdub> ah, coming
[15:38] <dandrader> I run mir_proving_server on my laptop. run a client in from another ssh terminal. then in the client's terminal I do ctrl+c. mir_proving_server frezes for good, getting defunct and impossible to kill. is that a know issue?
[15:41] <alan_g> dandrader: I'm not aware of that happening.
[15:41] <alan_g> alf_: silo 021 has your fix and is working for me on mako. Wanna try it?
[15:43] <alan_g> greyback_: are we there yet?
[16:07] <dandrader> some how building mir_proving_server myself, with debug config, and running it under gdb made it behave....
[16:14] <alf_> alan_g: all good on krillin
[16:15] <alan_g> \o/
[18:33] <racarr> Does anyone know how to GDB mir_unit_tests/
[18:34] <racarr> if I run gdb on mir_unit_tests GDB silently detaches
[18:34] <racarr> (no kidding...)
[18:34] <racarr> if I run it on .uninstalled
[18:34] <racarr> Bus error
[18:34] <racarr> its been happening for about 2 weeks now...
[18:35] <racarr> also has anyone experienced problems with system headers getting mixed in to local compilation...
[18:38] <anpok_> hm that did not happen for me
[18:40] <racarr> anpok_: Ok I guess ill just quit programming and get a job in the farm.
[18:40] <racarr> ...printf debugging and dist upgrade it s
[18:40] <racarr> is
[18:42] <racarr> ahaha
[18:42] <racarr> I mismatched an int32_t and an int64_t in a union
[18:42] <racarr> making it look as if another enum value (preceeeding it in the union)
[18:42] <racarr> was overwritten with the value which it would have had if
[18:42] <racarr> parts were compiled with system headers instead of the modified local headers
[18:42] <racarr> WHEEEE
[19:29]  * kdub has gotten that gdb error
[19:29] <kdub> on the unit tests
[19:42] <SturmFlut> Mir and Unity8 on BayTrail: http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/baytrail/2015/05/12/ubuntu-15-10-and-desktop-next-on-a-baytrail-tablet/
[19:42] <SturmFlut> The external HDMI port even works in theory
[20:05] <greyback_> kdub: I have a question on android multimonitor. I know how there is a DisplaySyncGroup, which is a collection of DisplayBuffers which are all swapped at once
[20:05] <kdub> greyback_, right
[20:05] <greyback_> kdub: say only 1 DisplayBuffer needs a redraw. Does the android MM stuff require the other one to also be redrawn too?
[20:06] <greyback_> i.e. we get fresh DisplayBuffers back for all displays after a swap
[20:07] <kdub> greyback_, so, the updated DisplayBuffer will get a swap, and the not-updated one won't
[20:07] <kdub> and both will be 'reposted'
[20:07] <greyback_> ahh
[20:07] <greyback_> swap != post
[20:08] <kdub> right, I had to tease that out because hwc doesn't give me a way to just update one
[20:09] <kdub> so the DisplayBuffer is back to the original idea of just being the content on screen (2d stuff or overlays), and the DisplaySyncGroup does the posting
[20:09] <greyback_> kdub: that's ok. The above scenario had me confused, but as swap != post, it's ok


[08:46] <dupondje> apw: to bad, cause my SD-card reader is useless now with daily kernels :)
[08:47]  * apw will have a think about it
[08:47] <apw> :q
[09:29] <caribou> Good morning, are there any plans to deliver xenial kernels with the gcc-5 with the Retpoline patches that was released to updates yesterday ?
[09:30] <caribou> better check here before building my own :)
[09:40] <apw> caribou, yes, the kernles in -proposed are compiled with that compiler
[09:41] <caribou> oh, cool thanks! less work for us :)
[09:41] <apw> caribou, we build specifically using those ciompilers when they were in -proposed
[09:42] <caribou> yeah, I saw them hit -updates yesterday
[09:42] <caribou> good for us as we were trying to rebuild gcc7.3 on Xenial which is _not_ trivial
[09:43] <apw> not trivial doesn't cover it, i am glad the compilers at least have not been my problem
[11:39] <dupondje> apw: haha :) guess i'll just build it myself then :) np
[11:57] <apw> dupondje, ?
[11:57] <apw> i havent't had a look at your thing yet, so if you think that anything since then relates ... it does not
[11:59] <thresh> hey.  when can I expect the kernel with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1742721 fixed to land in xenial?
[11:59] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1742721 in Linux Mint "linux-image-4.13.0-26-generic / linux-image-extra-4.13.0-26-generic fail to boot" [Undecided,New]
[11:59] <thresh> uh, no idea why it's "Linux Mint".  It's Ubuntu.
[12:01] <apw> thresh, yeah don't worry about that, that is just because the first task on there is for that project
[12:02] <thresh> I also had a kernel panic with that specific kernel I tested latest yesterday.
[12:03] <thresh> but it's unrelated to the issue this kernel fixes;  and I'm not sure it even makes sense to report a crash on a test kernel.
[12:03] <apw> likely not worth it as that one is now old and will want to confim it exists in the latest before investigating in the normal course of things
[12:05] <klebers> thresh, the patch for that bug is queued for the next SRU cycle, which will probably start within the next days
[12:06] <smb> Its likely one of the many things to come once we have normality... Not that I would know what is normal right now anyway but roughly it might be around March-01 when normal cycles start again
[12:14] <thresh> klebers, good to know - thanks!
[16:15] <mozmck> I'm trying to build a custom kernel for ubuntu 16.04 using the mainline patches all here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.9.76/
[16:16] <mozmck> I'm also apply preempt-rt patches as I need this to be a realtime kernel.  In the past I build the kernel and .deb packages like this: skipabi=true skipmodule=true fdr binary-indep
[16:17] <mozmck> skipabi=true skipmodule=true fdr binary-perarch
[16:17] <mozmck> skipabi=true skipmodule=true fdr binary-rt
[16:17] <mozmck> and finally: dpkg-buildpackage -S -us -I.git -I.gitignore
[16:18] <mozmck> Is this the right way to do it or is there a better or simpler way?
[16:19] <mozmck> Oh, sorry - fdr is an alias for 'fakeroot debian/rules'
[16:20] <mozmck> I'm getting an error: utils/helpers/amd.c:7:21: fatal error: pci/pci.h: No such file or directory, and I'm thinking something is not right in the build setup or something?
[16:29] <apw> mozmck, that sounds like you need more build-dependencies installed to me; overall your approach sounds plausible
[16:30] <mozmck> Hmm, I wonder which build-deps I might need?  I did find that I had to install libudev-dev
[16:32] <mozmck> I have in my notes from doing this with 14.04 that I had to fix a header file when building this way, but not if I ran make deb-pkg.  Odd.
[16:35] <apw> that doesn't really add up, but then i am constantly supprised by what is actually true
[16:48] <TJ-> mozmck: libpci-dev  (for cpupower)
[16:51] <mozmck> thanks!
[16:51] <mozmck> I figured out I did not run apt-get build-dep linux either, so that may help.
[16:53] <TJ-> :p yeah
[16:54] <mozmck> Yeah, looks like that did it :-)  Sorry for the noise.
[17:35] <mozmck> It looks like it got to the end of the compile and then gave me this error and quit: https://pastebin.com/LrCRgjyv
[17:36] <mozmck> That was the fakeroot debian/rules binary-rt step (rt is my custom flavour)
[17:37] <apw> mozmck, you need to disable zfs, do_zfs=false
[17:38] <mozmck> ah, thanks.  I know I won't need that.
[17:57] <apw> you don't have the code for it, whihc is why the pakcage is blowing chunks
[18:44] <mozmck> Well, adding do_zfs=false to the command line did not seem to have any effect.  I notice in debian/rules that there is a do_mainline_build which sets do_extras_package and do_tools both to false as well as do_zfs=false.  I may try that because I don't think I need the tools and extra packages either.


[10:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: How can I tell that cloud-init has finished running?
[10:51] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Is the existence of /var/lib/cloud/data/result.json sufficient?
[13:08] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, yeah, result.json wont be written until finished. and status.json contains state as it goes.
[13:08] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Cool; and do you have any thoughts about using /run/cloud-init/... over /var/lib/cloud/data/... ?
[13:08] <smoser>  /run  is what you want
[13:12] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Ah, these files aren't around on precise at all; is there an equivalent on that version?
[13:12] <smoser> no.
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> utlemming: ^ is probably why you had the /tmp/cloud-init.done trick.
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Thanks for the help! :)
[13:17] <smoser> yeah.
[18:14] <kwaping> harlowja hola amigo
[18:14] <harlowja> kwaping hola
[18:14] <kwaping> I will try to be here more often, as suggested
[18:14] <harlowja> cool
[18:14] <harlowja> thx man
[18:16]  * harlowja has to go poke infra to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172179/ in
[18:16] <harlowja> so we can start fixing up the repo
[18:23] <harlowja> kwaping smoser  ok https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172179/ is merging, so i'll try that branch create again soon
[18:23] <harlowja> then kwaping  do u want to try to do the sync of that branch with bzr?
[18:23] <harlowja> the ~10 patches that are missing
[18:23] <kwaping> cool
[18:24] <harlowja> thennnnn no more bzr?? ;)
[18:24] <kwaping> you want me to do the bzr -> git thing?
[18:24] <harlowja> sure, if u want
[18:24] <smoser> bzr isn't so bad.
[18:24] <smoser> :)
[18:24] <harlowja> probably just need to last X patch files and submit them up for review
[18:24] <harlowja> ;)
[18:25] <harlowja> nice try smoser
[18:25] <harlowja> lol
[18:25] <smoser> there are a couple nice things.
[18:27] <harlowja> hmmmmm
[19:17] <harlowja> smoser kwaping https://github.com/stackforge/cloud-init/tree/0.7.x is up
[19:17] <harlowja> sooo feel free to start updating it ;)
[19:17] <harlowja> thats revision 1046 afaik in bzr
[19:18]  * harlowja would be nice to also have the right tags (or at least the 0.7.x tags)
[19:18] <kwaping> woohoo
[19:18] <harlowja> but need to know which git sha matches which bzr tag, ha
[19:18] <harlowja> then can replicate them
[19:20] <harlowja> kwaping when i run that bzr -> git thing; it appears the repo that it converts has the tags, sooo just need to push them up to gerrit, will do that
[19:20] <harlowja> less work to do :-P
[19:27] <kwaping> nice
[19:29] <harlowja> ok, all 0.7 tags except for 0.7.6 (which i think is the most recent, which needs more commits) is up
[19:31] <harlowja> i'll leave the 0.6.x tags off
[19:31] <harlowja> since meh
[19:32] <kwaping> should I still be building from that specific 1046 commit you mentioned?
[19:34] <harlowja> kwaping yes
[19:34] <harlowja> unless u push up the other 0.7.x patches and want to use those :-P
[19:35] <harlowja> otherwise there is no other commits (1047...) in that repo, lol
[19:35] <harlowja> but now at least u have a place to put said patches (on the 0.7.x branch)
[19:35] <harlowja> vs having no place at all
[19:36] <kwaping> ok
[19:36] <harlowja> JayF ^ u should be happy with all that
[19:36] <harlowja> ha
[19:37] <harlowja> https://github.com/stackforge/cloud-init/releases shows up also, nice
[19:37] <JayF> harlowja: so cloud-init v1 is in stackforge now?!
[19:37] <harlowja> JayF ya, all commits are there, branch is now there, tags for 0.7.x are there...
[19:37] <harlowja> i'd like to say no more bzr, but let's see ;)
[19:37] <harlowja> need to update the 0.7.x branch there first
[19:38] <JayF> harlowja: tl;dr: http://bit.ly/1axYBco ?
[19:38] <JayF> :P
[19:38] <harlowja> ha
[19:38] <harlowja> def
[19:40] <harlowja> https://github.com/stackforge/cloud-init/graphs/contributors is intersting to look at


[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:02] <tdaitx> \o
[15:02] <pitti> ø
[15:02] <infinity> Sorry, lost track of time.
[15:03] <xnox> hi
[15:03] <barry> \o
[15:04] <robru> o~
[15:05] <pitti> no slangasek today?
[15:06] <infinity> slangasek: *poke*
[15:06] <chiluk> o/
[15:06] <infinity> pitti: He's at the snappy sprint, but he might be around?
[15:06] <infinity> I don't think he told any of us to take over for him.
[15:06] <pitti> *shrug*
[15:06] <pitti> #startmeeting
[15:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu May 12 15:06:43 2016 UTC.  The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:07] <pitti> shuf results: xnox barry bdmurray tdaitx infinity chiluk pitti slangasek robru cyphermox caribou sil2100 doko
[15:07] <xnox> i win =)
[15:07] <pitti> (totally fair dice roll, I swear!)
[15:07] <pitti> #topic lightning round
[15:07] <xnox> working on sru bugs for netcfg, gcc-5.
[15:07] <xnox> working on cloud-images for z/vm almost done to hand over to cpc team.
[15:08] <xnox> jetlagged, having afternoon naps.
[15:08] <xnox> done.
[15:08] <bdmurray> xnox: that's old age
[15:08] <infinity> xnox: Me too (re: jetlag).
[15:08] <barry> jetlag, shmetlag
[15:08] <xnox> infinity, calgary & texas are not the same time zone? =)
[15:08] <barry> recovering from lxd/schroot/encrypted home unmounting/kernel panic issues
[15:08] <barry> pycon prep; @public decorator; PEP 8 discussions
[15:08] <barry> LP: #1579738
[15:08] <barry> SRU'd pip/pyparsing fixes; pex 1.1.6-1; pyflakes 1.2.2-1; pyparsing 2.1.1+dfsg1-1 (debian bug #710660; debian bug #735542; debian bug #823560); debian bug #823883; LP: #1560134; LP: #1578761; debian bug #823358; enum34 1.1.5-1 (debian bug #820312; debian bug #793506)
[15:09] <infinity> xnox: Off by an hour!
[15:09] <barry> starting on the libpeas resync
[15:09] <barry> --done--
[15:09] <bdmurray> added in yakkety, and its milestones, to the errors code
[15:09] <bdmurray> committed a fix to Errors for LP: #1571772
[15:09] <bdmurray> created yakkety test crashes
[15:09] <bdmurray> fixed fetch-test-crashes to put right arch crashes in right folders
[15:09] <bdmurray> tested pitti's apport gdb changes in the staging env of the error tracker
[15:09] <bdmurray> investigation into why using sandbox version of gdb doesn't produce a crash_sig
[15:09] <bdmurray> reported apport bugs LP: #1580287, LP: #1579949, LP: #1579897
[15:09] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have failed queue retracers stop using --sandbox
[15:09] <pitti> barry: done?
[15:09] <bdmurray> worked with barry to sort out issues with ubuntu-release-upgrader tests
[15:09] <bdmurray> resolved ubuntu-release-upgrader test ordering failure w/ test_sources_list
[15:09] <bdmurray> resolved ubuntu-release-upgrader unicode sources test failure
[15:09] <bdmurray> uploaded potential xenial fix for LP: #1538438
[15:09] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:09] <pitti> barry: nevermind, scroll error
[15:09] <bdmurray> modified cranberry branch of ubuntureports ubuntu-archive-tools to be auto updated
[15:10] <tdaitx> = Security update for OpenJDK 6
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * New icedtea 1.13.11 release
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Provided backport to Wily, Trusty, and Precise to the security team on Friday; published on Tuesday
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * ARM32 JIT is broken due to the hotspot security update
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - IcedTea 1.x patches OpenJDK 6 to add ARM32 JIT
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - Differently from IcedTea 2.x it provides no way to disable that build (it is always enabled)
[15:10] <barry> :)
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - doko added a small patch to prevent it from being build (thanks!)
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Trusty's OpenJDK 6 is in Universe but also being handled by the security team
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - They release to both -security and -updates pockets
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - Trying to understand if how much of an overburden this is (if any at all) for them
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - If it is, then why do they care for Universe? Got a partial response, need further info
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - Will tackle that on our next sprint
[15:10] <tdaitx> = JCK 8
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Build packages for JCK 8
[15:10] <tdaitx>     - Being kept on a private repo
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Updated scripts to use the new JCK 8 packages
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Updated setup scripts to use LXD
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Refactoring scripts to break down dependencies and moving further to something that can used in a charm
[15:10] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:10] <tdaitx>   * Handling new OpenJDK bugs (duplicates, requesting additional info from users, ...)
[15:10] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:10] <infinity> * Last week:
[15:10] <infinity>   - Cloud sprint
[15:10] <infinity>   - Emergency security kernel
[15:10] <infinity> * Two day week this week:
[15:10] <infinity>   - SRU queue reviews
[15:10] <infinity>   - SRUs for dpkg, apt, ubuntu-dev-tools, mplayer
[15:10] <infinity>   - Merges
[15:10] <pitti> bdmurray: sorry, had to revert the "gdb from target release" thing, see bug
[15:10] <infinity>   - Looking into LSB printing issues
[15:10] <infinity>   - General AA cleanup work
[15:10] <infinity>   - Test and release lts-xenial trusty d-i support
[15:10] <infinity>   - Clean up ubuntu-core -> ubuntu-base rename
[15:11] <infinity> (done)
[15:11] <xnox> infinity, ubuntu-base is snapish or just-tarball?
[15:11] <pitti> basically a debootstrap tarball
[15:11] <xnox> ack
[15:11] <chiluk> - LP 1579917 - Collected information for Intel, opened bugs with Lenovo as well.
[15:11] <chiluk> - LP 1576747 - half-tabled.  Need to grab debug logs.
[15:11] <chiluk> - Day-job. This week was mostly issues related to ADS configuration.
[15:12] <infinity> xnox: It's the ubuntu-core rootfs tarball renamed to avoid confusion with people stealing my product name. :P
[15:12] <chiluk> - Merging ...
[15:12] <chiluk> - done
[15:12] <xnox> infinity, =)
[15:12] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:12] <pitti>  - fix lxd bridge detection in LXD image build script, and generalize proxy detection support
[15:12] <pitti>  - britney: make force-badtest hints apply to lower versions, and to running tests (#1579095)
[15:12] <pitti> distro fixes:
[15:12] <pitti>  - apport: Fix gdb error handling during retracing (#1579949, #1579897), test/analyze #1517257, revert our initial solution as it's broken
[15:12] <pitti>  - Investigate apport regression on amd64, libnih/gcc problem (#1580601)
[15:12] <pitti>  - libxmlada: fix autopkgtest regression
[15:12] <pitti>  - postgresql: prepare new upstream security/bug fix releases for all supported Ubuntu releases (#1581016)
[15:12] <pitti>  - Review/merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ted/whoopsie/ftbfs-network-manager/+merge/294166
[15:12] <pitti>  - systemd: make timesyncd respect DHCP-advertised NTP servers (#1578663), revert default #threads limit (#1578080)
[15:12] <pitti>  - lots of SRU reviews (are infinity and me the only ones doing these now?), cleaned up old SRUs
[15:12] <pitti> yakkety planning:
[15:12] <pitti>  - Discuss/research/draft convergence-y-replace-upstart blueprint, waiting for cypermox and slangasek to review/approve
[15:12] <bdmurray> pitti: I saw, thanks. I wonder if there isn't some other approach to doing the retracing.
[15:12] <pitti>  - Discuss/research/draft convergence-y-replace-upstart blueprint; ongoing, systemd --user is designed differently and it is not yet clear how to apply that (https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2016-May/036440.html)
[15:12] <pitti> (end)
[15:12] <robru> so no slangasek ?
[15:12] <robru> lp:bileto
[15:12] <robru> - prepped for TRIO landings (soon we'll have yakkety+xenial+vivid silos)
[15:12] <robru> lp:cupstream2distro
[15:12] <robru> - prepped for TRIO landings
[15:12] <robru> lp:canonical-mojo-specs
[15:12] <robru> - submitted branch to fix some paths that are changing
[15:13] <robru> parallelization work
[15:13] <robru> - bileto build job is nearly complete. just needs to finish unit tests and flesh out some corner cases
[15:13] <robru> (EOF)
[15:13] <cyphermox> - merges: d-i (partially done), cdrom-checker
[15:13] <cyphermox> - discussed grub vs. gfxboot on CDs for bug LP: #1530530 with Mirv
[15:13] <cyphermox> - grub2 zfs integration and SRU (bug LP: #1527727)
[15:13] <cyphermox> - moving secure boot dkms magic to shim and using triggers
[15:13] <cyphermox> - investigating how to have NM unmanage most devices except wwan and wlan
[15:13] <pitti> bdmurray: we could perhaps first try to run gdb.$release on the host, and fall back to gdb if that doesn't exist? (same for -multiarch)
[15:13] <infinity> pitti: re: are we the only ones doing them?  I suspect that's been true this week, but bdmurray and arges will no doubt wake up again.
[15:13] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:13] <caribou> Bugfix :
[15:13] <caribou>  - multipath coredump:
[15:13] <caribou>    LP: #1532789 - uploaded for SRU
[15:13] <caribou>    Lot of issues with multipath-tools on Trusty recently
[15:13] <caribou>  - Apache 2.4.18(xenial) backport (LP: #1335068)
[15:13] <caribou>    Request help from laney
[15:13] <caribou>  - qemu-img hang on Mutex
[15:13] <caribou>    Identified kernel bug fixed in Xenial
[15:13] <arges> infinity: whats the issue?
[15:13] <caribou>    Trusty has the fix in lts-xenial
[15:13] <infinity> pitti: I'm also going to get apw in the rotation once he's done a few with handholding.
[15:13] <caribou> Development work:
[15:13] <caribou>  - makedumpfile development
[15:13] <caribou>    Various contribution from HPE
[15:13] <caribou>    further fix for s390 enablement
[15:13] <infinity> arges: SRU queues backing up a bit.
[15:13] <pitti> infinity: oh, nice
[15:14] <caribou>  - Various sponsoring : bash-completion, packagekit
[15:14] <bdmurray> pitti: I didn't do my shift last week because of the sprint and the week before I was on holiday.
[15:14] <caribou>  ☑ Done
[15:14] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:14] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:14] <sil2100> - General work on OTA-11
[15:14] <sil2100> - Xenial touch transition
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Pushing no-change rebuilds after libhybris arm64 enablement
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Preparing automated scripts for checking arm64 buildability in touch packages
[15:14] <arges> infinity: i did a bunch yesterday actually...there are just a lot
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Various poking people regarding arm64 build failures
[15:14] <sil2100> - Touch translations
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Looking into missing translations in exports for OTA-11, poking to get that fixed
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Finishing up some automated scripts for langpack sanity-checking
[15:14] <sil2100> - Discussions on tarball release processes
[15:14] <infinity> arges: Ahh, good.  Then nevermind me calling you out. :)
[15:14] <sil2100> - Helping out in getting the jenkaas custom tarball jobs working (firewalls, setup)
[15:14] <sil2100> - system-image:
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Figuring out the issue with broken OTAs after key rotation with Barry and fixing it
[15:14] <arges> np
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Modifying the documentation
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Removing stale unused devices in stable channels
[15:14] <sil2100>   * Switching all custom tarball imports from s-jenkins to jenkaas
[15:14] <sil2100> - Properly setting up the DMB meeting on the fridge calendar
[15:14] <sil2100> - DMB meeting
[15:14] <sil2100> - Touch seed updates per various requests, adding new frameworks
[15:14] <sil2100> - Touch emulator
[15:15] <sil2100>   * Preparing the emergency snapshot with OTA-10.1 packages and building emulator images
[15:15] <sil2100>   * Promoting generic and generic_x86 to the stable channels
[15:15] <sil2100> (done)
[15:15] <infinity> arges: And yeah, post-lts-release, the queues tend to be worse than usual, as everyone remembers all the bugs they forgot to fix a week before release.
[15:15] <pitti> bdmurray, infinity, arges: I was asking because seb128 seemed interested in joining but didn't get a response last time
[15:15] <infinity> pitti: I'll take that discussion off a public channel. :)
[15:15] <pitti> sil2100: oh, what do you test in langpacks? anything applicable to the distro too?
[15:17] <sil2100> pitti: simple stuff, not sure if it'll be useful: checking image manifests and seeing if any langpacks are missing or added, checking versions, checking contents for .po files (listing if some are missing/added)
[15:17] <pitti> sil2100: the last one seems interesting indeed
[15:17] <sil2100> pitti: basically covering some of the common error cases in our touch POV
[15:17] <pitti> doko: ?
[15:17] <infinity> sil2100: Any kind of testing would be decent.  Our langpack SRU process is pretty awful these days.
[15:17] <infinity> sil2100: So, if you come up with any automation that's remotely handly, please hand it off to pitti and we can make the world a better place.
[15:18] <jose> also, fridge cal? just request in #ubuntu-news
[15:19] <sil2100> infinity: ok, sure, currently the scripts are very touch oriented as in they're looking at certain touch channel top-most images and checking their manifests as well, but certain tests can be made optional I suppose to make it more useful for others too
[15:19] <infinity> sil2100: Right, anything that's checking the actual package contents would be nice to have.
[15:19] <infinity> sil2100: Right now, I think pitti's method is to spot-check a few languages for sanity, make sure nothing was FTBFS, and assume it's all good to promote.
[15:20] <pitti> I usually do some kind of diff <(find old) <(find new) thing as a sanity check
[15:20] <infinity> (And, honestly, it's hard to come up with a "good" test that isn't "find 60 testers who speak 60 languages and ask them to install 400 packages")
[15:20] <pitti> and then download the -de pakcages and test them, but there's not much more
[15:20] <pitti> infinity: that's actually the test plan right now -- install an update, run through a (short) list of verification steps and mark it off on the wiki page
[15:21] <pitti> ok, no doko apparently, so
[15:21] <pitti> #topic AOB
[15:22] <infinity> I recommend we all lose/gain 20 pounds (as appropriate) before Athens, so we can be the sexiest nerds on the beach.
[15:22]  * pitti goes off to do about 120.000 push-ups then
[15:22] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, in your case, you might want to gain 50. ;)
[15:23] <barry> ubuntu beach sprint party - awesome movie
[15:23] <infinity> barry: Well, you're not wrong.  It'll cause awe.
[15:23] <pitti> but which beach?
[15:23] <infinity> Perhaps not for the reasons we'd like. :)
[15:23] <barry> or palindromically: ew, a....
[15:24] <cyphermox> infinity: people will go blind from the glare of too much white skin
[15:24] <pitti> AFAIK the ocean is some 5 km away, so not just an easy walk from the hotel :/
[15:24] <infinity> pitti: I recommend whichever beach is most popular with middle-aged American tourists, so we have a fighting chance of finding someone who looks worse in a swimsuit.
[15:25] <pitti> cyphermox: or deaf from getting technobabbled all day?
[15:25] <pitti> ok, clearly..
[15:25] <pitti> #endmeeting
[15:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu May 12 15:25:56 2016 UTC.
[15:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-05-12-15.06.moin.txt
[15:25] <infinity> Heh.
[15:26] <caribou> infinity: cyphermox: that's what we'll all look on the beach : https://youtu.be/eTm0X93l8vk?t=1m8s
[15:27] <cyphermox> is that gilligan?
[15:27] <caribou> cyphermox: non, "L'avanture c'est l'avanture" from Lelouch
[15:28] <infinity> That's a lot of very French looking men.
[15:28] <infinity> Now I need to watch a Jean Reno moview.
[15:28] <infinity> Or a movie.
[15:33] <pitti> thanks everyone
[15:33] <sil2100> o/
[15:34] <barry> \o
[15:37] <slangasek> pitti: oops - good meeting :)
[15:37] <slangasek> (sorry, sprinting and failed to send my regrets)
[15:38] <pitti> slangasek: no worries, you can still go to scrollback to see what we broke this week :)


[23:32] <Fluid_Mantis> dj_segfault: Also, the fonts folder is 200MB. Seems unusual to me. Well, I guess all I can do for now is just uninstall a few unnecessary things and sort out my partitions. I just wish I had learned that uninstalling things that rely on a lot of packages using sudo would also break anything else that used the packages. :P
[23:33] <stef1a> Seednode: me?
[23:33] <Seednode> Yeah.
[23:33] <dj_segfault> Fluid_Mantis: Yes.  If you use "synaptic" to install and uninstall you can clearly see the dependent packages
[23:33] <Gallomimia> what is Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (as opposed to something without LTS?)
[23:33] <Seednode> Long-term support.
[23:34] <Seednode> It'll be supported for the next 3 (or 5?) years.
[23:34] <Gallomimia> right. nothing i need to concern myself with. thanks for that
[23:34] <Dian|Busy> lolz
[23:34] <Seednode> Just download the LTS, if it's an option.
[23:35] <KM0201> Gallomimia: non-lts releases are only supported with updates for 18mo...
[23:35] <MoneyDust> !lts
[23:35] <KM0201> the current version is 12.04, which is an LTS, so if you want a non-lts version, you'll have to wait till 12.10 or go back to 11.10 (which I wouldn't recommend)
[23:36] <Fluid_Mantis> dj_segfault: I just installed it. Seems very useful. Thanks again for all of your help.
[23:36] <Dian|Busy> ...why would anyone want a non-LTS?
[23:36] <dj_segfault> Fluid_Mantis: No problem
[23:36] <KM0201> Dian|Busy: i only use a LTS when it's the current stable... i never stick w/ LTS versions.
[23:36] <dj_segfault> Dian|Busy: Because some people want the latest and greatest instead of super stable
[23:36] <KM0201> LTS does not mean super stable
[23:37] <KM0201> thats the biggest problem, is most people don't even know what the hell an LTS is
[23:37] <KM0201> saying it's "super stable" is just not right... if you used ubuntu 8.04, you'd surely know that.
[23:39] <Dian|Busy> But if the latest version is an LTS, why would you go back to an earlier version just to avoid LTS?
[23:39] <MoneyDust> !ot
[23:39] <MoneyDust> KM0201  please stop being so negative
[23:39] <ChTiPowA> hi. Please i need help : You know i'm using Xchat to speak on IRC. Sometimes when my desktop is refreshed, the "Xchat" tray icon has gone but the process is still alive. So everytimes it happens, i need to kill his ID before to start Xchat again. Is there any way to bring foreground Xchat instead to kill it ? Thx :)
[23:39] <KM0201> Dian|Busy: now thats dumb... i never suggested such a thing
[23:39] <ai6pg> LTS = Long term support
[23:39] <KM0201> MoneyDust: i';m not being negative at all... learn english
[23:39] <Dian|Busy> KM0201: I know that now...I wasn't thinking about version numbers, just the LTS XD
[23:40] <fort> bo
[23:40] <MoneyDust> KM0201  please, discussions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:40] <bleemoo> Not sure if my message went through. Am having intermittent problems with xorg restarting after returning from suspend, running 12.04 on a Toshiba laptop. Not sure what to do to fix this, or even diagnose what's actually wrong.
[23:40] <KM0201> whatever... discussing an LTS is certainly on topic here
[23:41] <stef1a> hey, i'm using 12.04 and my sound doesn't work through my headphones
[23:41] <KM0201> ChTiPowA: what do you mean "when you rdesktop is refreshed"
[23:41] <stef1a> and i dunno how to check through pulseaudio
[23:42] <ChTiPowA> KM0201: actually i'm talking about my DESKTOP not "rdesktop" which is another tool out of subject. Well its easy, i press ALT + F2 then i write R to refresh the desktop when i changed any settings
[23:42] <KM0201> .. ok
[23:43] <foul_owl> Hello. I am having a problem with OpenGL. I have an Nvidia GeForce 6600 video card that does not seem to have OpenGL acceleration enabled. Running glxgears gives me a black windowed gtk window. This problem occurred with the default nouveau drivers for 12.04, and again when I uninstalled nouveau and installed the latest Nvidia drivers from the Nvidia driver ppa (304.37) Trying to run other OpenGL apps (such as openarena) produces a black screen
[23:43] <KM0201> stef1a: try this... sudo apt-get install pavucontrol   once it installs, open pavucontrol , click on the "configuration" tab... and try making some changes to the profile, and see if you can get your headphones to work
[23:43] <djbpython> so i rebooted my system and now the UI looks like windows 95. not sure if its a ubuntu or gnome thing
[23:43] <KM0201> looks like win 95?
[23:44] <ChTiPowA> KM0201: So the main problem is easy : Xchat tray icon just disappears ... but the process of Xchat is still alive and running. I need so to bring the window in foreground with any solution you might teach me to avoid to killl the ID instead.
[23:44] <KM0201> !screenshot | djbpython
[23:44] <KM0201> ChTiPowA: no idea.
[23:44] <Fluid_Mantis> A quick question. It's not Ubuntu-related, but it should be easy and quick to answer. I believe that one of my RAM sticks is faulty. I'm going to try removing them and running scans using memtest and Dell's own diagnostic utilities. My computer has four RAM bays. Does it make any difference if I have, say, just two RAM sticks in and one is in RAM bay 1, and one 4, as opposed to them next to each other in RAM bays 1 an
[23:44] <Fluid_Mantis> d 2?
[23:45] <KM0201> it might make a minor difference, but not much....
[23:46] <erpo> Fluid_Mantis: It shouldn't make any difference for a reliability test. It will make a difference for performance if you have more than one memory channel.
[23:46] <dj_segfault> Fluid_Mantis: On most motherboards it DOES matter.  the manual will tell you which slots to use in pairs, sometimes the sticks must be identical too
[23:46] <djbpython> KM0201, yea, the toolbar and menu bar are a bland gray with odd shadowing
[23:46] <djbpython> KM0201, http://imagebin.org/225164
[23:46] <Fluid_Mantis> On the motherboard itself two of the bays are black, and two of them blue if memory serves.
[23:46] <Fluid_Mantis> So...
[23:46] <bleemoo> Are my messages going through at all?
[23:46] <djbpython> KM0201, it looked a lot different than that before
[23:46] <Fluid_Mantis> 1 = black, 2 = blue, 3 = black, 4 = blue.
[23:47] <j5tc3> why i can't add panel in Ubuntu Precise ?
[23:47] <Fluid_Mantis> The four sticks I have are 4GB each and all the same type.
[23:47] <KM0201> djbpython: that looks like gnome 2.x  click System/About Gnome  and see what version it tells you it is... what version of ubuntu are you using?
[23:47] <stef1a> I've tried messing around in Alsamixer and pavucontrol, but cannot get my headphones to work.
[23:47] <djbpython> KM0201, gnome 2.32.1 ubuntu 11.04
[23:47] <KM0201> djbpython: so whats the question?.
[23:48] <KM0201> i believe 11.04 used gnome by default.
[23:48] <Darkenvy> I cannot get openGL working with nvidia. help?
[23:48] <djbpython> KM0201, the menu bar and task bar did not look like this before I rebooted
[23:48] <Darkenvy> I can get a game running under wine but I cant get opengl running
[23:48] <Darkenvy> compiz also seems to be running
[23:48] <djbpython> plus, my terminal has a different color scheme as well, something changed, not sure what
[23:48] <KM0201> djbpython: you mean where it says application/places/system?
[23:48] <Fluid_Mantis> It's too bad I don't have the manual anymore with this Dell system, although I could try and find it online. I guess I could just try switching them around. I would hope it's not actually one of the RAM bays that is faulty.
[23:49] <djbpython> KM0201, right, and the bottom tool bar too
[23:49] <djbpython> where my applications list is
[23:49] <KM0201> djbpython: honestly, it looksl ike i always remember gnome 2.x
[23:49] <ChTiPowA> Nobody knows how to bring a process to foreground ???
[23:50] <djbpython> KM0201, right, but i must have been able to change it at some point, not sure how to change it back
[23:51] <KM0201> djbpython: well, i don't know what you had before, so i'm not sure... i would log out, and at the login screen, click Sessions, and click some of the other options, and see if it takes you back to what you want
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: use fg
[23:53] <ChTiPowA> ActionParsnip: i tried but it never works
[23:53] <Fluid_Mantis> Oh, and on a sidenote, this is the error I got when testing all four of the RAM sticks at once with Dell's own diagnostic tests: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVuWVfZ7Do4
[23:53] <bleemoo> Hello. I am having intermittent problems with xorg restarting after suspend.
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: try:   fg 1
[23:54] <Fluid_Mantis> An integrity error probably means one of them is bust.
[23:54] <ChTiPowA> ActionParsnip: when Xchat is hidden and his icon has disappeared, i'm not able to call back Xchat to put it foreground with FG, the terminal says : "no jobs" but there is one and i given him the good ID i can check with PS or the Monitor System
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: then its not backgrounded in terminal, if you use ALT+TAB does it show ok?
[23:55] <ChTiPowA> ActionParsnip: i did also some tests with BG to do the reverse it never works too... I don't understand how to  use.
[23:55] <ChTiPowA> No it doesn't
[23:55] <W4sp> ChTiPowA: fg only works within the shell session as it brings into fg a process of that shell.
[23:55] <ChTiPowA> If the application was hidden on Systray
[23:55] <ChTiPowA> then there is no way to call it back
[23:55] <ChTiPowA> W4sp: okay but Xchat is not on terminal its on the desktop
[23:56] <stef1a> I've tried messing around in Alsamixer and pavucontrol, but cannot get my headphones to work.
[23:56] <Jordan_U> ChTiPowA: fg has nothing to do with bringing a GUI application to the foreground.
[23:56] <W4sp> ChTiPowA: Exactly, and you normally don't start your xchat from command line. Hence fg is useless.
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[23:57] <W4sp> What version ov xchat do you have anyway. There are two a) xchat and b)xchat-gnome. Also, what DE do you use?
[23:57] <Ahriman> Sup guys
[23:57] <ChTiPowA> I use Linuxmint based on the latest version of Ubuntu, so its the same ways. I asked also on Linuxmint help channel but no one is able to help me...
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: not supported here mate
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: mint has its own support
[23:58] <ActionParsnip> !mint
[23:58] <bazhang> !mintsupport > ChTiPowA
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:58] <FloodBot1> wsirc_8644875: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed
[23:58] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook, with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> wsirc_8644875: doing that makes people want to help you less,not more
[23:59] <ChTiPowA> ActionParsnip: As i said its the same way... Its still ubuntu and its just a problem with Ubuntu
[23:59] <Fluid_Mantis> Wow.
[23:59] <bazhang> ChTiPowA, no.
[23:59] <Ebbers> ActionParsnip, I loaded Ubuntu 10.04 and now audacity works great! VLC has same problem
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: mint isn't supported here
[23:59] <ChTiPowA> The problem affects only Xchat
[23:59] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:59] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:59] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:59] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:59] <wsirc_8644875> hi, im trying to install ubuntu in my notebook with windows xp previous instaled, how to proceed?
[23:59] <ChTiPowA> Not the others applications
[23:59] <FloodBot1> wsirc_8644875: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:59] <ActionParsnip> ChTiPowA: ubuntu is based on debian but if you ask for ubuntu support in #debian you wil be pointed here
[23:59] <ChTiPowA> Ubuntu and Linuxmint have the same depots
[23:59] <bazhang> ChTiPowA, ask in #xchat then. MINT is not supported here


[06:48] <mborzecki> morning
[06:57] <mardy> hi!
[07:52] <mardy> miguelpires: hi! About your comment on the mount-control-3 branch, is it fine if I address it in a follow-up PR?
[07:53] <mardy> (I'm asking because I believe that Pawel is working on a branch which depends on mine)
[07:55] <mup> PR snapd#11259 closed: tests/nested/manual/minimal-smoke: bump mem to 512 for unencrypted case too <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11259>
[08:07] <pstolowski> morning
[08:09] <miguelpires> mardy: Good morning. Of course, as you prefer. It's not even a serious issue :]
[08:09] <miguelpires> pstolowski: good morning
[08:13] <mborzecki> anyone in need of reviews?
[08:19] <miguelpires> mborzecki: good morning. Yes, if you have a moment to spare, the last two commits of https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11262 need reviewing
[08:19] <mup> PR #11262: cmd/snap: adjust /cmd to migration changes  <⛔ Blocked> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11262>
[08:20] <mborzecki> miguelpires: sure, will do
[08:21] <miguelpires> thanks
[08:40] <mup> PR snapd#11265 opened: go.mod: tidy up <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11265>
[08:41] <mborzecki> miguelpires: ^^ pulled this out of 11262, idk why we had an older version of secboot still listed in go.mod, maybe go get somehow allowed that
[08:55] <mup> PR snapd#10864 closed: mount-control: step 3 <Needs Samuele review> <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10864>
[10:01] <mup> PR snapd#11241 closed: systemd: add NeedDaemonReload to the unit state <Created by kubiko> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11241>
[11:21] <mup> PR snapd#11266 opened: overlord/h/c/umount: remove handling of required parameter <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11266>
[11:39] <zyga_> o/
[12:06] <mup> PR snapd#11266 closed: overlord/h/c/umount: remove handling of required parameter <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by mardy> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11266>
[12:11] <mup> PR snapd#11265 closed: go.mod: tidy up <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11265>
[13:12] <mup> PR snapd#11267 opened: store: fix flaky test <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11267>
[14:07] <mup> PR snapd#10924 closed: i/builtin/xilinx-dma: add interface for Xilinx DMA driver <Needs Samuele review> <Created by alexclewontin> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/10924>
[14:57] <mup> PR snapd#11228 closed: osutil/mkfs: Use host environment for fakeroot command <Created by GlenPickle> <Closed by GlenPickle> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11228>
[19:28] <mup> PR snapd#11268 opened: interfaces/shared-memory: support single wild-cards in the read/write paths <Simple 😃> <Needs Samuele review> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11268>
[21:59] <mup> PR snapd#11269 opened: run-checks, check-commit-email.py: check commit email addresses for validity <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11269>


[01:43] <nigelb> hola folks
[03:09] <doctormo> nigelb, pleia2, paultag: http://imagebin.ca/view/P8odXf99.html Thoughts on this title card.
[03:12] <nigelb> doctormo: sweet!
[03:14] <nigelb> Im off to work, later everyone :)
[05:15] <pleia2> doctormo: that's great :)
[05:16] <nigelb> pleia2: geeknic was awesome?
[05:17] <pleia2> nigelb: it was short, but fun :)
[05:17] <nigelb> pleia2: I'm procrastinating, can you write a thank you note to instructors?
[05:21] <nigelb> pleia2: if you're tired, I can do it ;)
[06:28] <pleia2> nigelb: I don't have time tonight, but I could in the morning if you don't have a chance
[06:34] <nigelb> pleia2: I'll do it in a few hours when I can take a break from work
[06:34] <pleia2> k :)
[07:25] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[07:27] <jussi> mr AlanBell. please PM me when you wake up.
[07:27] <nigelb> morning dpm !
[07:28] <nigelb> jussi: did you just kill a core? o.O
[07:28] <jussi> nigelb: nah, just the connection on it
[07:28] <jussi> for me to freenode
[07:28] <nigelb> jussi: ah
[07:28] <jussi> there are still others on that core
[07:28] <nigelb> heh
[07:29] <jussi> its just the standard quit message
[07:29] <dpm> hey nigelb, morning :)
[07:30] <nigelb> dpm: watched the match last night?
[07:30]  * jussi grumbles at stupid diving spaniards
[07:31]  * nigelb had warned roomates - wake me and you're getting kicked
[07:31] <jussi> oooh!
[07:32]  * jussi notes its mr nigelb's birthday! happy birthday nigelb!
[07:32] <dpm> nigelb, I actually didn't. We went for dinner somewhere remote and quiet without big screens and no football :)
[07:40] <nigelb> jussi: thank you!
[07:40] <nigelb> dpm: I thought so ;)
[07:53] <AlanBell> hi jussi
[07:59] <dholbach> good morning
[07:59] <dholbach> dpm: congratulations! :)
[07:59] <dholbach> dpm: how was your holidays?
[08:02] <dpm> dholbach, hey, morning. holidays where awesome :)
[08:02] <dholbach> excellent - hope you had some time to relax :)
[08:05] <dpm> absolutely - one week withou internet or mobile does wonders :)
[08:05] <dholbach> haha
[08:05] <dholbach> nice
[08:05] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[08:06] <nigelb> your turn today :D
[08:06] <dholbach> dpm: soon loco teams will be able to set their languages in the loco directory - if you have any crazy thoughts what we can do with that, let me know (the plan was to allow online events in the future, where teams with the same language could collaborate)
[08:06] <dholbach> nigelb: later - I need to sort out a few things, today's first day of UDW
[08:09] <dpm> dholbach, ah, right.  That's because I first stickied them and then unstickied them.
[09:52] <qense> that is apparently enough for PlanetPlanet to thinkt hey're new.
[09:52] <nigelb> qense: oh, ok
[09:53] <qense> apologises for the inconvenience
[09:56] <nigelb> nah, planet is wierd most of the time
[09:57] <nigelb> it comes with the territory
[09:57] <nigelb> to deal with so many platforms at the same time
[09:59] <ddecator> nigelb: happy birthday mate
[10:00] <dpm> dholbach, awesome, I'll let Adi know
[10:01] <qense> Wait! Isn't today the start of some sort of UbuntuXWeek?
[10:01] <ddecator> developer
[10:01] <qense> I knew it!
[10:02]  * dpm belatedly hugs nigelb - happy birthday!
[10:02] <dholbach> dpm: he knows :)
[10:02] <dpm> ah, cool :)
[10:02] <dholbach> dpm: when you were gone and I didn't know if I should use /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639_3.xml or /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639.xml he told me to use the API
[10:03] <dpm> awesome
[10:09] <doctormo> nigelb: Comapre last night's with this mornings attempt:http://imagebin.ca/view/0NmrU5g.html I wanted to do a background.
[10:38] <dholbach> kim0: thanks for reposting
[10:57] <vish> hmm , the planet feed seems down
[11:02] <qense> doctormo: attempt: isn't a valid protocol
[11:02] <qense> :)
[11:04] <AlanBell> do, or do not, there is no try
[11:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:53] <nigelb> dpm: belated hug back :)
[11:53] <nigelb> ddecator: thanks :)
[11:54] <nigelb> doctormo: love the open box!
[12:03] <duanedesign> nigelb: happy birthday to you...happy birthday to you...happy birthday dear nigel...happy birthday to you
[12:06] <nigelb> duanedesign: *hugs* thank you!
[12:10] <duanedesign> :)
[12:16] <kim0> nigelb: Happy Bday man :) Yaaaaayy
[12:18] <nigelb> kim0: thanks you!!
[13:19] <doctormo> Happy Birthday nigelb
[13:42] <akgraner> nigelb, Happy Birthday!
[14:00] <nigelb> doctormo: thank you!
[14:00] <nigelb> akgraner: thanks!
[14:01] <nigelb> akgraner: Now how about that birtday gift :p (the interview)
[14:02] <akgraner> nigelb, :-)  My editing skills are not so great so it's taking my a bit longer to edit the audio in audacity but I'll get it finished and get this figured out - it's easy to edit the beginning and end but a little harder for me to edit areas during the interview..;-/
[14:06] <nigelb> akgraner: haha
[14:06] <nigelb> ok :)
[14:33] <paultag> Grrr, man, I'm so over doing this work
[14:33] <paultag> Happy birthday nigelb :)
[14:34] <czajkowski> paultag: welcome to the real world :;p
[14:34] <paultag> czajkowski: :/
[14:34] <paultag> czajkowski: I spend my whole life programming and learning everything I can about computing theory, and here I am. Writing a website. I am really bad at writing, too.
[14:35] <paultag> czajkowski: not even HTML, just plain text.
[14:39] <paultag> :(
[14:39] <nigelb> paultag: thanks man!
[14:40] <doctormo> nigelb: Did you see my question above?
[14:40] <paultag> hey I need some help. This guy is really giving me frak on reddit. Where can I find Ubuntu docs on why we use sudo over root, my guess is he won't listen to anything less
[14:40] <paultag> hey doctormo
[14:41] <popey> !rootsudo
[14:41] <ubot2> sudo is a command to run command-line programs with  superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli ) . Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For  graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with  sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[14:41] <popey> there
[14:41] <doctormo> paultag: Do you have to answer him? http://xkcd.com/386/
[14:41] <paultag> thanks popey
[14:41] <paultag> doctormo: this dude is just a tool
[14:42] <popey> is it sad that I know which xkcd that is from the number?
[14:42] <paultag> Yup.
[14:42] <popey> mind you it's linked on my wiki page :)
[14:43] <paultag> I need to stop redditing. I just end up in comment tiffs, and I hate it.
[14:43] <paultag> popey: haha, so it is
[14:44] <popey> i have never used reddit
[14:44] <paultag> popey: don't. It used to be cool, but it's just swamped. It used to be really nice for talking about news, and most people were educated. Now it's just everyone who used to be at Digg or 4chan
[14:45] <popey> much like every other site
[14:45] <paultag> yeah, but it got bad.  Monroe, the xkcd guy both spent time there
[14:46] <paultag> doctormo: :/
[14:52] <paultag> doctormo: P.S. your title card looks great
[14:52] <doctormo> paultag: The new one?
[14:52] <paultag> doctormo: the one you ping'd me on
[14:52] <doctormo> paultag: http://imagebin.ca/view/0NmrU5g.html
[14:53] <paultag> that's the one doctormo
[14:54] <paultag> doctormo: when do you want to do some STARF'ing ?
[14:54] <paultag> doctormo: we have a lot of work to do
[14:54] <doctormo> paultag: I've been waiting on you to be ready to focus on it :-D
[14:55] <paultag> doctormo: aye, I've been swamped, sorry! I'm good to roll now that UUD is done, but I'm still backed up with my queue. We should meet up downtown again and get some chunks done
[14:59] <doctormo> I agree, wednesday?
[15:00] <paultag> doctormo: nogo, I'm bowling with my grandmother :)
[15:01] <doctormo> paultag: I'm trying hard not to laugh and be touched at the same time, thusday?
[15:02] <paultag> :P
[15:02] <paultag> doctormo: I'd be able to leave here at about 6
[15:03] <paultag> I help at a local center for teaching dyslexyic kids from 3 --> 5 on Tu Th
[15:03] <doctormo> paultag: you do the calendar thing then!
[15:03] <paultag> Fine, fine! Second :)
[15:05] <paultag> also, in a pinch of irony -- dyslexic *
[15:06] <doctormo> I honestly think someone was playing silly buggers when they came up with that spelling.
[15:06] <paultag> :)
[15:06] <doctormo> dislexia is fine, dyslexia is just dumb.
[15:07] <doctormo> Unless we like dyslexics in dystress.
[15:07] <paultag> doctormo: sec, I'm just trying to figure out when I'm OK to take my car ( My sister asked to borrow it to head to New York )
[15:07] <paultag> doctormo: I'll get back to you before high noon. If I have not, whine at me. Chances are I forgot
[15:09]  * popey notes people don't generally 'come up with' spellings, they tend to evolve
[15:09] <popey> except for M Webster who made stuff up to make spelling easier in the colonies :)
[15:09] <paultag> m-w ftw :)
[15:10] <popey> Learn English, slacker! :)
[15:10] <paultag> :P
[15:11] <paultag> I was thinking of heading to the UK at some point soon. I think it would be fun, the last time I was there, I was about 10. I want to hit an English Pub, for sure
[15:11] <paultag> I'd stick out like a sore thumb, I think
[15:12] <popey> less than you'd think
[15:14] <doctormo> popey: English does evolve, but spellings have gone through a number of clean-up stages where the crown or some other agent decided to amend lots of words. Respelling everything from 'kw' to 'qu' was a big one for instance.
[15:23] <jcastro> dholbach: nigelb: I am concerned about 2 slow weeks in a row!
[15:24] <dholbach> yes
[15:24] <dholbach> we're generally not making much progress
[15:24] <paultag> hey doctormo poke
[15:25] <doctormo> paultag: Would you stop facebook poking me and just ping me ;-)
[15:25] <dholbach> we could raise more awareness, for example on the forums
[15:25] <paultag> haha
[15:25] <dholbach> have another patch day
[15:25] <doctormo> dholbach: Is the problem the number of people involved?
[15:25] <dholbach> but I'm stretched too thin right now to lead this effort
[15:25] <paultag> doctormo: I'm good tues or thurs, I can leave at 3 -- I have someone who can cover
[15:25] <dholbach> doctormo: yes
[15:25] <paultag> doctormo: so it's up to you, tom. or thurs :)
[15:26] <doctormo> dholbach: You might need a leader then as a first task, otherwise you won't have the focus to follow it and organise and train all the people that might be interested in it.
[15:27] <doctormo> paultag: We'll go for tomorrow then and I'll drag a laptop with me, same place, Tealux?
[15:27] <paultag> doctormo: sounds like a plan :)
[15:27] <paultag> Oh wait doctormo
[15:28] <paultag> doctormo: I walked past it on saturday, and it was closed
[15:28] <paultag> doctormo: do you know if it's back open yet?
[15:28] <dholbach> doctormo: nigelb is the fearless leader! :)
[15:31] <doctormo> dholbach: I thought he was leading the User Days too?
[15:31] <doctormo> paultag: I emailed them just in case.
[15:31] <paultag> doctormo: thanks, rockstar
[15:32] <paultag> doctormo: do we have a plan b ?
[15:32] <paultag> doctormo: as much as I hate them, Starbucks has free WiFi these days
[15:32] <paultag> doctormo: and there is one close-ish to Tealuxe IIRC
[15:32] <doctormo> paultag: There are plenty of places in the area.
[15:33] <paultag> doctormo: righto. Let's just meet there regardless
[15:33] <paultag> doctormo: and walk if we need to :)
[15:51] <Guest68844> hey all
[15:52] <popey> YO!
[16:00] <Guest68844> dholbach, something is weird with the events in Lernid
[16:00] <dholbach> Guest68844: what's the problem?
[16:00] <Guest68844> it has a bunch of 'Ubuntu Developer Week Session' events there
[16:00] <Guest68844> load it up and look at the list
[16:00] <Guest68844> kim0, gonna be a few mins late
[16:00] <dholbach> FFS!
[16:01] <Guest68844> dpm, welcome back :)
[16:01] <kim0> Guest68844: jono ?
[16:01] <kim0> u lost ur nic
[16:01] <dpm> hey Guest68844, thanks :)
[16:01] <paultag> Guest68844: mgiht want to /msg nickserv :)
[16:01] <Guest68844> damn
[16:01] <kim0> hehe
[16:01] <Guest68844> stupid freenode
[16:01] <paultag> stupid auto nick change ;)
[16:01] <Guest68844> brb
[16:02] <jono_> bloody thing
[16:02] <kim0> jono_: sure thing .. ping me when ready
[16:02] <paultag> jono_: looks like you are not idet'd
[16:02] <dholbach> jono_: I have no idea - they're all fine in the calendar
[16:02] <jono_> dholbach, can you check into this - people are getting confused
[16:02] <dholbach> jono_: I put them in like 4 times
[16:02] <paultag> jono_: you might loose this soon
[16:02] <dholbach> jono_: I still need to prepare my session
[16:02] <dholbach> jono_: I'll do my best and see what I can do though
[16:02] <jono_> dholbach, well can you ask someone else to look into it then
[16:03] <dholbach> jono_: we need to reschedule our call too
[16:03] <jono_> dholbach, sure
[16:03] <dholbach> it's weird it has some of the events in there twice
[16:03] <dholbach> jono_: does lernid just read one calendar?
[16:03] <dholbach> jono_: or does it read several calendars?
[16:03] <Technoviking> jono_: ping
[16:04] <jono_> dholbach, just one
[16:04] <jcastro> has anyone not voted for offtopic questions on the stack exchange?
[16:04] <jono_> Technoviking, hey
[16:04] <jcastro> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/7716?tab=offtopic&phase=definition#tab-top
[16:04] <jono_> can't talk Technoviking I have a call next
[16:04] <jcastro> evan promises to fix pet installer bugs in exchange for votes (just kidding, he never closes bugs)
[16:04] <Technoviking> jono_: ok
[16:04] <dholbach> nhandler, akgraner, pleia2: any idea why lernid shows some of the UDW events as "Ubuntu Developer Week Session" and also as a regular session?
[16:05] <jono_> jcastro, can you help dholbach fix this Lernid issue
[16:05] <jono_> look into what could be going wrong
[16:05] <jono_> maybe nhandler can help too
[16:05] <akgraner> I dunno but I'll check the calendar and see
[16:06] <jono_> it seems we only have these problems for today
[16:08] <Technoviking> jono_: I wanted to see if the forums stats I sent you will work, I'm going on vacation later today so wanted to makes sure Matt had everything he needed before I go. Ping me later when you have the time.
[16:08] <akgraner> I just looked at the Calendar and the events are listed right..
[16:08] <jono_> Technoviking, they should be great
[16:08] <jono_> thanks
[16:10] <jono_> akgraner, dholbach, jcastro are you seeing the events I am referring to in the schedule?
[16:11] <jono_> I want to make sure this is reproduceable
[16:11] <dholbach> yes
[16:11] <jono_> k
[16:11] <jono_> ok
[16:12] <jcastro> ok
[16:12] <jcastro> I see that bug
[16:12] <jono_> I am wondering if the fridge event on the calendar is also affecting it
[16:12] <jcastro> an "ubuntu developer week session" every hour in addition to the actual session
[16:12] <jono_> jcastro, yeah
[16:13] <jono_> but only for today
[16:13] <akgraner> jono_, that's what I am thinking - does it pull from the Fridge?
[16:13] <jcastro> jono_: correct
[16:13] <akgraner> I don't have them listed per hour on the Fridge though
[16:13] <jono_> ahhh no the fridge event is every day, this onl effects today
[16:13] <dholbach> jono_: did you set up the sessions for Ubuntu App Dev Week?
[16:13] <jono_> it must be a problem in the cal
[16:13] <jono_> dholbach, not yet
[16:13] <dholbach> somebody did and they caused the problems the last time
[16:13] <akgraner> we had the set up as Ubuntu Developer Week Session in the beginning
[16:13] <akgraner> but they aren't that way now
[16:14] <dholbach> they're not filled out yet, just "Ubuntu App Dev Week", but are recurring events which is what broke the calendar last time
[16:14] <dholbach> (upstream is notified)
[16:14] <jono_> akgraner, right so where did you do that?
[16:14] <dholbach> jono_: ok for me to remove them for now? they're just stubs anyway
[16:14] <jono_> dholbach, sure
[16:14] <akgraner> oh the event's calendar but they are gone now
[16:14] <dholbach> alright, let's hope that fixes it
[16:14] <akgraner> well the learning calendar
[16:14] <jono_> akgraner, which events cal?
[16:14] <jono_> learning cal?
[16:14] <jono_> akgraner, are you sure they are fully deleted?
[16:15] <akgraner> jono_, yep sorry
[16:15] <akgraner> I'll look again
[16:15] <jono_> akgraner, it seems they are still being pulled in, which would suggest that it wasnt deleted fully
[16:16] <akgraner> I am not seeing anything else on the cal - not sure where to look now?
[16:16] <jono_> akgraner, hmmm, unless the events were cached somehow
[16:16] <jono_> anyway, I need to hop on with kim0
[16:16] <popey> pleia2: I saw this and thought of you http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/asus-eee-pc-1005px-looks-lovely-in-your-choice-of-colors/
[16:17] <jono_> kim0, just give me one more sec, I forgot I don't have mumble on this box
[16:17] <kim0> jono_: niente problemo
[16:24] <nigelb> jcastro: I am too!
[16:24] <nigelb> I'm kicking off my own efforts back up this week.
[16:24] <nigelb> so, at least 20 patches will move every day, guaranteed
[16:26] <akgraner> dang - go nigelb!
[16:28] <dholbach> akgraner, pleia2, jcastro: can you please try to help me find recurring events on the learning events calendar with the summary of "Ubuntu Developer Week Session" or "Ubuntu App Developer Week Session"?
[16:29] <dholbach> akgraner, pleia2, jcastro: I think I purged all of them, but lernid still reads them from the .ical
[16:29] <jcastro> is that the google calendar?
[16:29] <dholbach> it might be cached, but I want to make sure
[16:29] <dholbach> yes
[16:29] <akgraner> dholbach, I am looking through all the events as well
[16:30] <jcastro> can someone send me an invite? I don't have access to the learning events calendar
[16:31] <nigelb> akgraner: :)
[16:31] <akgraner> jcastro let me see if I can
[16:31] <nigelb> jcastro: can you get me some people to spam the planet?
[16:31] <nigelb> its only the 3 of us that did it so far
[16:31] <jcastro> I think we need more than planet spam
[16:32] <nigelb> jcastro: I'm thinking of a patch day
[16:32] <akgraner> I can only make changes to events I can't invite you
[16:32] <nigelb> you, know to catch up
[16:32] <nigelb> akgraner: poke pleia2 or nhandler
[16:35] <akgraner> jcastro, jono has to send you the invite
[16:36] <dholbach> ok, I can't find those recurring events in gcal and I deleted all the cache files that lernid has - I'm at a loss right now
[16:36] <jcastro> jono_: I need an invite to the learning events calendar when you have a chance
[16:36] <nigelb> dholbach: what happens?
[16:36] <nigelb> I think I know what it is
[16:36] <nigelb> look at the .lernid file
[16:37] <dholbach> location?
[16:37] <dholbach> ~/.lernid does not ext
[16:37] <dholbach> exist
[16:37] <nigelb> its on jono's server
[16:37]  * nigelb goes to find location of file thre
[16:37] <nigelb> 2 minutes
[16:38] <nigelb> jcastro: need you help later on to move that file to canonical servers so we don't get blocked by jono (or any single individual)
[16:38] <dholbach> http://www.jonobacon.org/files/lernid/ubuntu.lernid
[16:38] <dholbach> nigelb: what's the problem with that file?
[16:38] <nigelb> dholbach: check that file
[16:38] <nigelb> its probably there
[16:38] <dholbach> nigelb: lernid shows the events + additional "Ubuntu Developer Week Session" events
[16:39] <dholbach> which are happening at the same time
[16:39] <dholbach> but nobody knows where they come from
[16:39] <nigelb> its the ical I'm sure
[16:40] <dholbach> it'd help if you were a little bit more specific :-D
[16:40] <akgraner> but the Ubuntu Developer Week Session has been deleted and replaced with the sessions with the titles
[16:40] <nigelb> dholbach: I would if I knew :D
[16:43] <dholbach> akgraner: still lernid find some of these sessions somewhere
[16:43] <dholbach> never ever use recurring events in that calendar, it messes up everything
[16:43] <nigelb> dholbach: lemme try a fresh install
[16:43] <akgraner> so I noticed  - no one told me that a few months ago :-(  or wouldn't have
[16:44] <dholbach> yeah, don't worry - it's a bug that needs to be fixed elsewhere, upstream's aware of it - I just hope they fix it soon
[16:45] <nigelb> right, he's teling don't worry after the bashing :p
[16:46] <dholbach> ok, I need to prepare the rest of my session, sorry - I can't find what's wrong
[16:50] <nigelb> dholbach: where do you have extra week?
[16:50] <nigelb> I see only user days and developer week
[16:50] <nigelb> I think you fixed it inadvertently
[16:51] <jcastro> jono_: wrong calendar, that's our normal work calendar
[16:51] <jono_> jcastro, eh?
[16:51] <jcastro> you just sent me an invite for a calendar
[16:51] <nigelb> jcastro: its all good.  Lernid looks fine to me
[16:51] <jcastro> ok
[16:52] <jono_> jcastro, I changed your performs
[16:52] <nigelb> but, good idea to get the rights.  Never know when jono_  is in a good mood :p
[16:52] <dholbach> nigelb: look at the timetable in lernid
[16:52] <jono_> perms
[16:52] <jono_> nigelb, I am always in a good mood :)
[16:52] <nigelb> haha
[16:52] <nigelb> dholbach: it does developer week and user days
[16:52] <dholbach> nigelb: yes, select UDW
[16:52] <dholbach> then look at the timetable
[16:53] <nigelb> crap
[16:53] <nigelb> first day shedule it looks like
[16:54] <vish> dholbach: hi , could you add the #u-c-chat in the topic for -classroom
[16:54] <nigelb> vish: its auto
[16:54] <jcastro> heh maybe next time we should check it earlier than the day of an event.
[16:54] <nigelb> jcastro: good idea
[16:54] <vish> lol
[16:54] <jcastro> akgraner: can you add a -2 or so to your checlist for IRC events to check lernid?
[16:55] <vish> nigelb: i know the topic changes , but we should have a mention there as well
[16:55] <dholbach> I checked it before, but either I didn't notice, but I don't think or something changed in the calendar afterwards
[16:55] <nigelb> vish: log a bug against classbot
[16:55] <jono_> kim0, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-cloud-improve-wiki-pages
[16:55] <vish> nigelb: meh!
[16:55] <nigelb> dholbach: I think its TZs
[16:55] <nigelb> vish: everything is updated by classbot, and not by hand, so it should be done by classbot
[16:56] <dholbach> nigelb: if you can figure it out that'd be nie
[16:56] <nigelb> dholbach: no access to calender :x
[16:56]  * nigelb has been swimming in ical
[16:56] <vish> nigelb: or even in the chanserv message would do
[16:56] <nigelb> vish: yes, but it will get deleted at end of day
[16:57] <nigelb> so like I said, classbot, please
[16:59] <nigelb> dholbach: I see it in ics.  its google calender b0rking
[16:59] <nigelb> s/ics/ical
[16:59] <dholbach> can somebody give nigelb access to the calendar?
[16:59] <dholbach> I'm a bit busy right now
[17:00]  * nigelb pokes jono_ ^
[17:01] <akgraner> jcastro, yep will do
[17:02] <jono_> nigelb, brb, on a call
[17:02] <nigelb> ok :)
[17:16]  * vish grumbles at no planet feed :s
[17:16] <vish> rather empty feed
[17:18] <nigelb> vish: what?
[17:18] <nigelb> entire planet is down or just rss?
[17:18] <vish> nigelb: http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml
[17:19]  * nigelb suggests atom meanwhile
[17:23] <duanedesign> popey: i got the screencast blog post up
[17:24] <duanedesign> popey: http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/blog/?p=175
[17:28] <jcastro> wow, lots of questions in dev week already!
[17:28] <paultag> heyya duanedesign :)
[17:28] <paultag> duanedesign: post looks good
[17:28] <duanedesign> hey paultag
[18:28] <akgraner> dang it - every time I follow developer week and I want to be more technical - but there is no free time  - DOH!
[18:29] <Technoviking> later all, off for a week
[18:30] <JFo> see ya Technoviking
[18:30] <Technoviking> have a good UDW, sorry I have to miss it
[18:37] <jcastro> akgraner: votes did it!
[18:37] <jcastro> akgraner: http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/802732097/ubuntu-stack-exchange-proposal
[18:38] <jcastro> akgraner: you can just reuse that for UWN
[18:38]  * nigelb voted!
[18:38] <akgraner> awesome thanks!
[18:38] <nigelb> jcastro: awesome idea!
[18:39] <jcastro> nigelb: commit if you think it's good!
[18:39]  * nigelb already did!
[18:40] <akgraner> jcastro, so now we can answer questions if we are registered  - right?
[18:40] <jcastro> I think so
[18:40] <jcastro> wait
[18:40] <jcastro> no, we need to get people to commit, then the site runs as a beta
[18:40] <jcastro> which is when you can answer questions
[18:40] <akgraner> ahh ok
[19:02] <jcastro> jono_: can we delay by 10? I am out of caffeine and am not prepared
[19:03] <jcastro> I just need to run to get coffee
[19:03] <paultag> did I hear beta?
[19:03] <jono_> jcastro, sure
[19:04] <qense> I'm writing a transscript of a video and it was said that something was bound to grow. The way it sounded to me was this: "the something for something is sat to keep on growing", but that doesn't feel correct. Should it be 'is set to keep on growing'?
[19:05] <qense> I can't reveal the video yet, that will be done later today!
[19:08] <paultag> qense: yessir, set sounds more right to my ear
[19:09] <qense> paultag: Yeah, I'll use that. The context makes it reasonably clear anyway. Thanks!
[19:09] <nigelb> qense: oooh, its ready already
[19:09] <paultag> qense: :)
[19:10] <qense> nigelb: Nothing Ubunty here.
[19:10] <qense> More GUADECy
[19:11]  * nigelb does the good old trick of knowing what qense is talking about
[19:11] <qense> :)
[19:11] <nigelb> ok, I'm off to bed.
[19:11] <qense> sleep well nigelb
[19:11] <paultag> night nigelb, happy birthday :)
[19:11] <nigelb> Thanks folks for giving me a great time on my birthday
[19:11] <qense> have a happy last few hours of your birthday
[19:12] <paultag> nigelb: righto
[19:12] <nigelb> It indeed was special, especialy since I wasn't able to be with family (user days weekend)
[19:14] <qense> nigelb: You skipped your birthday for the UserDay?
[19:15] <nigelb> qense: I skipped going to hometown for user days
[19:15] <qense> nigelb: That's dedication!
[19:15]  * nigelb was lazy to pack too, but thats entirely different matter
[19:17] <qense> Lets keep with the first story. :) No laziness!
[19:18] <paultag> Bah
[19:18] <paultag> a good programmer is a lazy programmer
[19:19] <nigelb> hah
[19:19]  * nigelb goes to bed for real now
[19:19] <qense> sleep weel!
[19:20] <JFo> paultag, same with SysAdmin :)
[19:21] <paultag> JFo: yessir!
[19:21] <paultag> scripting saves the day, every day :)
[19:45] <duanedesign> */5
[19:47] <paultag> duanedesign: d'oh :)
[19:55] <Andre_Gondim> the new font in terminal is so ugly, anyone saw this?
[19:56] <AlanBell> it isn't a monospace font
[19:59] <duanedesign> paultag: ugh i do that more than id like to admit
[19:59] <jcastro> hey paultag
[19:59] <jcastro> you're one of those reddit monkeys right?
[20:09] <papertigers> AlanBell: I wish I could use the new font in terminal
[20:12] <akgraner> popey, ping  did you by any chance get an announcement together about the new members from the EMEA board?
[20:12] <akgraner> people are asking why I didn't include them in the last issue of UWN
[20:14] <papertigers> does anyone know if canonical does internship type jobs, I was pointed to this channel by dholbach
[20:15] <JFo> papertigers, we do on occasion. I'm afraid I have no other detail than that
[20:15] <JFo> what particular area?
[20:15] <papertigers> JFo: go to school for applied networking / Systems administration
[20:15] <JFo> ah
[20:15] <papertigers> Need one more internship before I can graduate
[20:15] <JFo> what geography are you based out of?
[20:16] <papertigers> East Coast US, but id be willing ro relocate
[20:17] <jussi> papertigers: I know jono was advertiing some internships recently, perhaps have  a glance at his blog
[20:19] <papertigers> jussi: ahh okay Ill look into it
[20:19] <jussi> papertigers: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/19/two-ubuntu-community-team-intern-opportunities-available/
[20:19] <papertigers> the only problem may be they might not be paid, my school requires its a paid internship which they call co-op's
[20:20] <jussi> oh wait, http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/23/ubuntu-community-team-opportunities-second-draft/
[20:20] <jussi> papertigers: how relocatable are you? and are you looking only from canonical?
[20:21] <papertigers> I am finishing up a network security internship this aug, and I have one left to do, and I really want to do it at canonical
[20:22] <jussi> ok
[20:22] <papertigers> jussi: currently I am in chicago, but I live in ny had to relocate for this job
[20:22] <jussi> papertigers: no probs. i work for a company in finlnd ;)
[20:23] <papertigers> nice! doing what?
[20:24] <jussi> papertigers: Im in marketing, however the company makes incredibly expensive linux mobiles
[20:25] <jussi> papertigers: and in this case, being expensive is a selling point :D
[20:30] <papertigers> jussi: awesome, what are they??
[20:30] <jussi> papertigers: htttp://www.galentia.com
[20:31] <papertigers> jussi: ahhh I recently saw that on engadget/gizmodo
[20:34] <vish> looks like jussi had too much tea ;p
[20:34] <vish> "t"
[20:34] <jcastro> cjohnston: around?
[20:40] <jussi> papertigers: you did?
[20:43] <papertigers> jussi: yeah they showed a phone just like that
[20:44] <papertigers> came in a nice box and everything like that, may not have been your company though
[20:45] <jussi> papertigers: yeah, theres a few out there, though I supect it was vertu
[20:47] <papertigers> jussi: so can I come work in finland haha
[20:49] <papertigers> jussi: found it! http://gizmodo.com/5557011/the-50000-android-phone
[20:50] <jussi> oh yeah
[20:50] <jussi> seen that. tho it keeps getting delayed. and delayed...
[20:51] <papertigers> too expensive for me haha
[20:54] <cjohnston> hey jcastro
[20:55] <jcastro> cjohnston: you still using irssi?
[20:55] <jcastro> cjohnston: any new recommendations? I found your old blog post
[20:56] <cjohnston> yes.. still irssi
[20:56] <jcastro> I mean script recommendations (sorry)
[20:57] <cjohnston> Nothing new though
[20:57] <cjohnston> :-(
[20:57] <cjohnston> i had to go look
[20:58] <jcastro> no worries
[20:58] <cjohnston> my lappy barfs everytime I run it :-(
[20:58] <jcastro> I was on weechat for a while but my session died so I'm going back old school
[20:58] <cjohnston> gotcha
[20:58] <cjohnston> I could never get into weechat
[20:59] <jcastro> it's ok, it has nicer defaults I think, no reason you couldn't do it all in irssi
[20:59] <jussi> I assume youve got the markerline script?
[20:59] <papertigers> cjohnston: its what I use, I like it a lot
[20:59] <cjohnston> ya
[20:59] <cjohnston> jussi: markerline?
[20:59] <jcastro> jussi: yeah it appears to have that ootb
[20:59] <jussi> ahh
[20:59] <jussi> and the auto away script? (away on screeen detach)
[20:59] <jcastro> yep, added that one
[21:00]  * jussi tries to remember what he used to run on irssi
[21:00] <jussi> nick color?
[21:00] <cjohnston> jussi: http://chrisjohnston.org/2010/my-favorite-irssi-scripts
[21:00] <cjohnston> thats pretty much what I run
[21:01] <jcastro> autowhois looks awesome
[21:01] <jcastro> someone pm me
[21:01] <jussi> jcastro: hows that?
[21:02] <jcastro> hmm no I boned that up
[21:02] <jussi> you know, this is really damn frustrating
[21:02] <jussi> I still cant install maverick
[21:02] <jussi> :(
[21:02] <jcastro> what's the problem?
[21:03] <cjohnston> I think my lappy is barfing 'cause of maverick
[21:03] <jcastro> the mav kernel is crushing my battery life
[21:03] <jussi> jcastro: Ive a bug filed and the installer guys are looking, but it doesnt detect my hdd in ubiquity. it see it in dolphin tho
[21:03] <jcastro> oh dude that happened to me
[21:04] <jcastro> I switched it to "IDE" in the bios
[21:04] <jcastro> from AHCI or whatever it was before
[21:04] <jussi> its set t ide... Illl look again though.
[21:04] <jussi> but thanks for the tip
[21:04] <jussi> jcastro: was it on the desktop or lappy?
[21:04] <jcastro> I thought that was a laptop specifc bug
[21:04] <jcastro> laptop
[21:05] <jussi> ahh, mines on a desktop, with the asus p5q mb
[21:05] <jcastro> maybe the installer is having issues
[21:05] <jussi> yeah
[21:05] <jcastro> since you're here, do you have a link to the config info for nickserving in irssi on startup?
[21:06] <jussi> its curious though, as I have full access to the drive in dolphin
[21:06] <jussi> jcastro: not really, what do you need?
[21:06] <jussi> you basically put yur nickserv password as the server password and all is good.
[21:06] <jcastro> identify to the nickserv on launch
[21:06] <jcastro> oh
[21:07] <jussi> many dont know that, but hats ow it works. then you are identified before joining chans
[21:09] <jcastro> rock
[21:09] <jcastro> when I relaunched I forgot to fire up byobu, so I am just fixing up the config now
[21:09] <cjohnston> I'm using cap_sasl since I didnt know that
[21:09] <jcastro> since I have to quit anyway
[21:10] <jussi> jcastro: iirc, it wipes any config changes on quit...
[21:10] <jussi> so back up your file...
[21:10] <jussi> you have to put them in while its not running, if you directly edit the file
[21:10] <jcastro> !! really?
[21:10] <ubot2> Factoid 'really?' not found
[21:10] <jcastro> man, thanks for the tip
[21:10] <jcastro> I was just about to save
[21:11] <jussi> jcastro: thats my memory, but a back up isnt a bad thing in anycase ;)
[21:11] <jcastro> Warning: Configuration file was modified while irssi was running. Saving configuration to file '/home/jorge/.irssi/config.autosave' instead. Use  /SAVE or /RELOAD to get rid of this message.
[21:11] <jcastro> aha
[21:11] <jcastro> they must have fixed that
[21:12] <jussi> jorge: you mustve done something wrong
[21:12] <jorge> indeed
[21:13] <jussi> as jorge is someone elses registered nick
[21:14] <jcastro> yeah
[21:14] <jussi> jcastro: you should grab a second nick thats grouped to yours.
[21:14] <jcastro> oh well, I'll sort it the next time I lose a session in 6 months or whatever
[21:15] <jussi> jcastro: like do /nick jcastro_
[21:15] <jussi> then /msg nickserv group
[21:15] <jussi> thatll link jcastro_ with your jcastro
[21:50] <jcastro> jono_: around still?
[21:51] <doctormo> Man why is it every day I do GC development launchpad staging is down.
[21:53] <jono_> jcastro, yup
[21:53] <jcastro> jono_: behold what my mailman brought me: http://ubuntuone.com/p/9QS/
[21:53] <jcastro> just now
[21:53] <jcastro> I tried to hug him, he didn't like that
[21:54] <doctormo> jcastro: Woot, from that photo I could print duplicates!  Did anyone else get an email from Google? I'm pretty warry about as to why they would get in touch with me, and I can't help but think it's because of Ubuntu
[22:12] <czajkowski> paultag: they are on a massive hiring buzz atm and are using a lot of linkedin to mail people
[22:12] <czajkowski> gahhhh mooodle so help me I'm gonna box you left right and centre, work damn you on flipping firefox and stop making me pull my hair out
[22:19] <qense> czajkowski: You've found a new job, I hear?
[22:19] <czajkowski> I did
[22:19] <qense> One with Moodle?
[22:19] <czajkowski> news to me
[22:19] <czajkowski> oh no
[22:19] <czajkowski> I'm doing a course
[22:19] <czajkowski> :)
[22:19] <qense> ah, learning!
[22:19] <czajkowski> and moodle is not working on Ubuntu using FF or chromium
[22:19] <czajkowski> so having to use a windows machine
[22:20]  * czajkowski is doing a course in project management
[22:21] <jcastro> paultag: we need reddit juice! http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/coqcg/ubuntu_area_51_stack_exchange_proposed_qa_site/
[22:22] <czajkowski> been tweeting it today
[22:22] <czajkowski> usuing #locoteams and #ubuntu tags
[22:22] <jcastro> <3
[22:22] <czajkowski> jcastro: ello didn't see you there
[22:22] <jcastro> hi2u!
[22:22] <qense> czajkowski: Someone from Ubuntu NL complained today that my last tweet didn't use the #locoteams tag. :)
[22:22] <qense> It seems to be getting noticed.
[22:23] <czajkowski> qense: tis you have no idea how happy that makes me :D
[22:23] <czajkowski> <--- easily pleased
[22:24] <qense> czajkowski: Glad to do so!
[22:26] <jcastro> would you guys think less of me if I told you I like def leppard?
[22:26] <czajkowski> no I like them too
[22:26] <czajkowski> but then again I don't like yer usual weird music :)
[22:29] <paultag> czajkowski: did you get mail about it?
[22:29] <czajkowski> paultag: ages ago
[22:29] <paultag> jcastro: upvote :)
[22:29] <paultag> czajkowski: what came of it?
[22:29] <czajkowski> for dublin offices. seeing as they are on a massive hiring buxzz over here and opening a 3rd office
[22:29] <czajkowski> paultag: you shuld move to dublin!
[22:30] <czajkowski> paultag: I'm not a flipping developer which seems to be removing me from most available job openings :(
[22:30] <jcastro> paultag: thanks, I apparently wasn't around when reddit became useful and digg disappeared
[22:30] <paultag> czajkowski: they asked me about a SRE gig? I have a feeling it's just a sysop
[22:30] <paultag> czajkowski: I want a developer gig >:(
[22:30] <paultag> jcastro: :)
[22:30] <paultag> jcastro: we have a few ubuntu-ers on reddit. Let me know and I'll get the Ubuntu army into gear ;)
[22:31] <czajkowski> paultag: my idea of hell on earth :)
[22:31] <paultag> perhaps I'll have to try and apply at Canonical
[22:32] <paultag> see if I can bribe jcastro into writing me a recomendation by getting him wicked drunk
[22:32] <jcastro> heh
[22:32] <doctormo> Who is on the IRC council or is a freenode bod? http://webchat.freenode.net/ no longer works with #ubuntu :-(
[22:33] <paultag> doctormo: it does
[22:33] <paultag> doctormo: just identify
[22:33] <paultag> doctormo: or wait for the bot invite
[22:33] <doctormo> Not for me!
[22:33] <paultag> doctormo: where did it redirect you to?
[22:33] <doctormo> For people I want to invite to get support.
[22:36] <doctormo> jcastro: Is the launchpad team working on UK time or have they all gone on holiday?
[22:37] <jcastro> lp has people all over the world like ubuntu does
[22:37] <jcastro> I guess it depends on the person
[22:38] <czajkowski> doctormo: asking freenode staffers now
[22:38] <doctormo> hmm, I think I'm going to point my tests at live until staging is back up, otherwise I'll be sitting on my hands with these ultimate GC tests and then get distracted.
[22:47] <qense> A video message from Neelie Kroes for GUADEC: <http://guadec.org/>.
[22:47] <qense> I've added English and Dutch subtitles, if you find it hard to follow the spoken English.
[22:48] <qense> jcastro: ^^ !! ??
[22:54] <qense> I'd be glad if people with YouTube accounts could Like the video: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok100U4Fo3Y>. Would be nice to get this positive message heard.


[21:03] <mup> PR operator#1050 opened: chore(deps): bump urllib3 from 2.0.6 to 2.0.7 in /docs <dependencies> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1050>
[21:11] <mup> PR operator#1048 closed: fix(testing): reset collected statuses in Harness.evaluate_status <Created by benhoyt> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1048>
[23:13] <mup> PR operator#1050 closed: chore(deps): bump urllib3 from 2.0.6 to 2.0.7 in /docs <dependencies> <Created by dependabot[bot]> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1050>


[01:27] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[02:01] <freeflying> moins all
[02:01] <Jucato> moin freeflying
[08:59] <nixternal> http://nixternal.ubuntu-rocks.org/stuff/doc/help.png
[08:59] <nixternal> how would something like that look for a main help window for 7.04?
[09:00] <Jucato> looks good. but I thought Riddell didn't want to remove KDE logos and banners?
[09:01] <Jucato> I like the sidebar :)
[09:01] <nixternal> we were supposed to remove them in Edgy, but the artwork never got done
[09:01] <Jucato> ah
[09:02] <Jucato> I really like it, compared to the default in khelpcenter
[01:55] <gnomefreak> is it a good idea to get adept to use aptitude instead of apt-get?
[01:56] <gnomefreak> or would it be better just to add a complete removal option?
[01:57] <Jucato> I wouldn't use aptitude by default, since it installs recommends by default
[01:57] <gnomefreak> that is my thinking too
[01:58] <Jucato> apt-get has autoremove, which might match aptitude's handling of metapackages (afaik)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> mind you, apparently apt is supposed to do that too, at some poing
[01:58] <Hobbsee> *point
[01:58] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee
[01:59] <Hobbsee> hey Jucato
[02:00] <gnomefreak> im looking at bug #74045 and i would like to come up with an in between if possible. i havent used adept ina  while so im gonna start it up and see if there is a complete removal option
[02:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74045 in adept "WISHLIST: aptitude-like behaviour for Adept" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/74045
[02:00] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: there is.  it's purge
[02:01] <Jucato> there's a weird behavior that I find weird in Adept regarding purge
[02:01] <Jucato> when I mark a package for purging and it marks other packages for removal because of dependencies, I can't mark those packages to be purged
[02:02] <Jucato> in Synaptic, I could
[02:03] <gnomefreak> Jucato: if its anything like --purge with apt. it will purge all the packages (should atleast)
[02:04] <gnomefreak> im trying to figure out how to open adept atm
[02:04] <Jucato> O.o
[02:05] <Jucato> in aptitude, I have to purge --purge-unused so that other depending packages will also be purged
[02:05] <gnomefreak> it would be nice if the password thing for adept would follow the 15 minute rule
[02:06] <gnomefreak> also listing the packages that are being purged would be a good idea too before it does the action
[02:07] <Jucato> gnomefreak: a better workflow is needed. not just for purging
[02:08] <Jucato> I've read countless of horror stories about people hosing their system because they clicked on Apply Changes without manually checking Preview Changes, and Adept not informing them except through the taskbar and the Preview Changes window
[02:09] <gnomefreak> the problem is that its all upstream, and if they are not intreseted than it will never happen. but i agree some adept changes need to be looked into.
[02:10] <Jucato> yeah... rather unfortunate...
[02:11] <gnomefreak> is this something we need to talk to Riddell about or does he already know this and i am like the 300th person to say it?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> Hawkwind: you around?
[02:12] <Jucato> too early :)
[02:12] <gnomefreak> oh
[02:12] <gnomefreak> thats right hes out near texas or in it
[02:12] <Jucato> CST
[02:41] <Tonio_> hey
[02:41] <Jucato> hi Tonio_
[03:17] <fdoving> hi tonio_.
[03:42] <abattoir> anyone here knows where kubuntu t-shirts/merchandise can be found?
[03:42] <abattoir> apart from http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30 ?
[03:44] <Jucato> ooh there are Kubuntu shirts?
[03:44] <abattoir> sure, don't remember Riddell wearing one for one of the knot releases? :)
[03:44] <Jucato> I thought it was kustom made
[03:45] <abattoir> i remember something about kubuntu-de
[03:45] <imbrandon> abattoir: Riddell has them for sale
[03:45] <abattoir> imbrandon: someone at #ubuntu-freshers wants to know
[03:46] <abattoir> i gave him/her the link for the ubuntu one, as it was easy to find...
[03:46] <Jucato> btw, hi imbrandon! :)
[03:46] <abattoir> yeah, hi imbrandon too :P
[03:48] <imbrandon> hello
[03:48] <freeflying_> imbrandon: Riddell has? :)
[03:48] <freeflying_> hi all
[03:49] <abattoir> hello freeflying_
[03:50] <freeflying_> abattoir: hey
[04:44] <Hawkwind> gnomefreak: I am now, what's up ?
[04:45] <Jucato> lol! Adept Manager has 2 "Manage Repositories" entries
[07:59] <seele> does anyone know if jono bacon is on irc (and what his /nick is)?
[08:03] <mhb> jono, not here atm
[08:06] <seele> anyone know his email?
[08:06] <mhb><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:06] <seele> ah, yeah.. he has it on his website
[08:07] <mhb> you could have checked https://launchpad.net/people/jonobacon
[08:09] <seele> i guess, but this was much faster ;)
[08:09] <seele> did you get a chance to read through the grub article and comments?
[08:29] <mhb> seele: yes
[08:29] <mhb> seele: I'll comment it later today
[08:29] <gnomefreak> when are we expecting the herd images to hit?
[08:29] <seele> ok, no worries.. i just wanted to make sure you were aware of the feedback
[09:40] <jdong> nixternal: is konversation 1.0.1 really feisty herd1 news? it's in Edgy...
[09:55] <fdoving> anyone working on fixing the broken kpdf we ship?
[10:39] <fdoving> hmm.. why is the poppler patch better than the real xpdf-sources in kpdf?
[10:53] <nixternal> jdong: it should have been removed
[10:59] <nixternal> jdong: removed ;) thanks for reminding me on that (the release is very thin - please add to it if I missed stuff)
[11:00] <jdong> nixternal: sure thing, I must admit I havent' really tracked Feisty on the kubuntu or ubuntu cycle lately.... :-/
[11:00] <nixternal> me either ;(
[11:01] <nixternal> need to get ktorrent 2.1 ready ;)
[12:11] <ryanakca> I assume feisty won't have the 2.6.19 kernel?
[12:12] <ryanakca> and that grumpy groundhog (or whatever) will have it?