[03:15] <magespawn> inetpro yes i did, i am going to try it now
[03:30] <magespawn> okay so replaced index.php with hello.php, renamed it to index.php, and i do get just a hello, world.
[03:31] <magespawn> so the redirect should be in index.php or one of the files called by it
[03:33] <magespawn> ?
[03:34] <magespawn> okay cool beans so that gives me a starting place
[03:34] <magespawn> Maaz tell inetpro thanks for the help
[03:34] <Maaz> magespawn: Okay, I'll tell inetpro on freenode
[03:49] <Kilos> morning early birds
[03:52] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[03:53] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[04:06] <inetpro> good mornings
[04:06] <Maaz> inetpro: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell inetpro thanks for the help" 32 minutes and 8 seconds ago
[04:06] <Kilos> hiya inetpro
[04:07] <inetpro> magespawn: see http://blog.magpiebrain.com/2008/06/01/wordpress-site-hacked/
[04:11] <tumbleweed> win 37
[04:11] <tumbleweed>  /win even
[04:12] <inetpro> haha... good mornings tumbleweed
[04:12] <tumbleweed> morning
[04:12] <tumbleweed> well, evening, here
[04:12] <inetpro> you have that many windows?
[04:13] <tumbleweed> yep
[04:13] <inetpro> yikes!
[04:13] <tumbleweed> some in the 20s are unused, though
[04:13] <Kilos> sjoe
[04:13] <tumbleweed> for conferences, etc,
[04:13] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed
[04:13] <tumbleweed> (short term, but needs a keyboard shortcut)
[04:13] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[04:14] <magespawn> will do inetpro
[04:14]  * tumbleweed should move 37 up. It's really active, and deserves a good shortcut
[04:14] <magespawn> hi tumbleweed
[04:14] <tumbleweed> hi
[04:14] <Kilos> what is win 37 atm?
[04:14] <inetpro> tumbleweed: what are you using?
[04:15] <tumbleweed> Kilos: a channel for a friend's house
[04:15] <tumbleweed> that he pulled all his friends into
[04:15] <tumbleweed> and it's now really lively
[04:15] <Kilos> lol
[04:15] <tumbleweed> inetpro: irssi
[04:16] <inetpro> ah, thought so
[04:16] <Kilos> well at least you still got us there so all good
[04:17] <tumbleweed> this is win 6 :)
[04:18]  * tumbleweed knows people with hundreds of IRC channels
[04:18] <tumbleweed> I don't know how they do it
[04:18] <Kilos> sjoe
[04:24] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[04:25] <nlsthzn> morning uncle Kilos , you are up early :)
[04:25] <Kilos> are you you gonna make the meet tonight
[04:25] <Kilos> and you tumbleweed
[04:25] <tumbleweed> I have no idea
[04:26] <Kilos> we gonna discuss the re evalution of the loco thing
[04:26] <nlsthzn> seems I am off so I should make it
[04:27] <Kilos> what is the need to be re evaluated every couple of years
[04:28] <nlsthzn> to ensure the loco is active and deserve the few perks they can get
[04:28] <Kilos> we been very slack last year or 2
[04:29] <Kilos> everyone is busy
[04:30] <Kilos> apart from dvds , what perks nlsthzn ?
[04:31] <Kilos> you gonna have to say all this tonight again hehe
[04:31] <nlsthzn> I am not really sure what all uncle Kilos >.<
[05:07] <Kilos> Maaz, tell sommaun on freenode http://blog.magpiebrain.com/2008/06/01/wordpress-site-hacked/
[05:07] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell sommaun on freenode
[05:07] <Kilos> he also had a redirect prob hey inetpro ?
[05:08] <Kilos> xmz something or other hehe
[05:08] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[05:11] <magespawn> good morning all
[05:12] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[05:13] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[05:34] <bduk1> More almal
[05:39] <Kilos> hi bduk1
[05:47] <superfly> Ohi
[05:47] <Kilos> morning superfly
[05:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:48] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[05:58] <magespawn> hi superfly
[06:46] <Squirm> super tired today
[06:47] <Kilos> again
[06:47] <Kilos> what did you do last night till late
[06:55] <Squirm> Kilos: I'm always tired
[06:55] <Squirm> books, movies, company
[06:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:02] <somaunn> Hello Guys
[07:02] <somaunn> Hi Kilos
[07:05] <somaunn> I get this error http://slexy.org/view/s21QwwhTjG
[07:05] <somaunn> someone to explain what is all about ?
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> #fedora could probably explain that
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> or you could try the things it explicitly mentions in the "You could try....." lines
[07:11] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy somm
[07:12] <Kilos> somaunn, check this out
[07:12] <Kilos> http://blog.magpiebrain.com/2008/06/01/wordpress-site-hacked/
[07:12] <Kilos> might give you some idea why you get rerouted with the fox
[07:13] <Kilos> lemme go see your new prob
[07:14] <Kilos> did you try running rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest
[07:15] <Kilos> i have no idea what that does
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> pro tip when someone says "i have no idea what it does" you should probably not follow their advice
[07:15] <Kilos> go back to ubuntu man
[07:16] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <Kilos> i saw that at the end of his post
[07:16] <Kilos> i dont give advice i have thought up
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-D
[07:18] <Kilos> you well ThatGraemeGuy ?
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup, all good
[07:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> still without adsl, but what can you do
[07:21] <Kilos> wow i thought they were sorting it on friday past
[07:22] <Kilos> have you tried 8ta yet
[07:22] <Kilos> telkom mobile
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i thought so too
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> telkom R349 for 2GB, cell c R199
[07:25] <Kilos> sjoe\
[07:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> tough choice
[07:25] <Kilos> i pay R149 for 2+1
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmmmmm
[07:26] <Kilos> in the promo deals
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was looking at the bundles listed on the fnb app
[07:28] <theblazehebmobil> Hi
[07:28] <Kilos> hi theblazehebmobil
[07:28] <Kilos> meeting tonight hey
[07:29] <theblazehebmobil> Kilos:yeah, saw the mail
[07:29] <theblazehebmobil> Still gotta get my kline lifted...
[07:29] <Kilos> oh you still read them
[07:29] <theblazehebmobil> Maybe just use a different IP on my pc today
[07:29] <theblazehebmobil> Yeah
[07:30] <Kilos> some others ignore mails. i wont mention peeps like the pro
[07:30] <Kilos> hehe
[07:30] <theblazehebmobil> Heh
[07:30] <Kilos> oh man lemme try help you
[07:31] <theblazehebmobil> Nah, just gotta send them a mail
[07:31] <Kilos> give me the info why they klined you and ill ask erry to sort it
[07:31] <theblazehebmobil> But really lazy
[07:31] <Kilos> what nick have the klined
[07:31] <theblazehebmobil> Was running a tor exit node on my bouncer... Thought IRC would be fine, guess not
[07:32] <theblazehebmobil> Theblazehen
[07:32] <theblazehebmobil> Will just use a local client tonight
[07:32] <theblazehebmobil> Got my exams starting next friday :(
[07:33] <Kilos> study lots
[07:33] <theblazehebmobil> Yeah :(
[07:33] <Kilos> ok is that tor thing off now
[07:34] <Kilos> thats encrypted stuff hey
[07:34] <theblazehebmobil> Nah, not yet
[07:34] <theblazehebmobil> Yeah, unless you run a exit node
[07:35] <Kilos> just switch it off when you come online and we can ask freenode to sort you
[07:35] <Kilos> they got a bit stiff with everything since being hacked
[07:36] <theblazehebmobil> Kilos turned it off now
[07:36] <theblazehebmobil> Yeah
[07:36] <Kilos> can you join them with me so you can give the info they ask for
[07:36] <Kilos> #freenode
[07:37] <theblazehebmobil> Ill just send them a mail
[07:37] <theblazehebmobil> Or ok, ill join
[07:43] <theblazehenmobil> Kilos did i miss any messages?
[07:43] <Kilos> nope
[07:43] <theblazehenmobil> Ty
[07:43] <Kilos> i dont know that redcell guy
[07:44] <Kilos> dunno if he has power to change things or just a talker
[07:45] <Kilos> thomas seems to be the one to answer
[07:45] <theblazehenmobil> Kilos: yeah, got message to thomas
[07:45] <Kilos> cool
[07:46] <theblazehenmobil> Says hes looking into it
[07:46] <Kilos> nice
[07:46] <theblazehenmobil> Will probably go afk soon, signal sucks at school
[07:47] <Kilos> ask him to inform me then
[07:47] <theblazehenmobil> Ok
[07:48] <theblazehenmobil> Yeah, he will
[07:49] <Kilos> cool
[07:54] <Kilos> wb theblazehen
[07:54] <theblazehen> Ty Kilos :D
[07:55] <Kilos> now leave that tor thing off
[07:55] <Kilos> np\
[07:55] <theblazehenmobil> Kilos will just not allow irc on exit policy :)
[07:56] <Kilos> at times that channel is too fast for me to keep up
[07:56] <theblazehen> Yeah
[07:56] <Kilos> but normally very helpful
[07:57] <theblazehen> Yep
[07:58] <Kilos> now study
[07:58] <theblazehen> Kilos: OK :(
[07:59] <Kilos> hehe
[07:59] <theblazehen> Heh.  Got it right!
[10:10] <Squirm> Maaz: large
[10:10] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Squirm
[10:10] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[10:10] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[10:11] <charl> Maaz: large
[10:11] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you charl
[10:11] <charl> good good
[10:14] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl, Squirm and Kilos!
[10:14] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:14] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:19] <nlsthzn> o/ charl
[10:22] <charl> Maaz: danke
[10:22] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[12:27] <somaunn> hi Kilos
[12:27] <somaunn> hi guys
[12:27] <somaunn> i'm back
[13:41] <Kilos> hsjoe
[13:42] <Kilos> hehe
[13:42] <Kilos> yawn
[15:13] <Kilos> hi gremble sakhi
[15:14] <Kilos> theblazehen, was it you that wanted to sell a lappy a while back, ian is looking for one
[15:20] <Kilos> hi amanica
[16:05] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[16:05] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[16:05] <theblazehen> Kilos: don't think I mentioned it, and I doubt he would want it...
[16:06] <theblazehen> Runs kinda OK with windows 8.1 though
[16:06] <theblazehen> 1.6GHz CPU, 2 GB RAM, 1024x600 display
[16:06] <theblazehen> 2 hours battery life looking at the desktop at minimum brightness
[16:07] <Kilos> he needs an i5 to do his work i think
[16:07] <Kilos> he uses win7 still i think
[16:08] <theblazehen> Haha, this won't cut it by far.. Can't even play video at full speed in vlc
[16:08] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <theblazehen> Kilos: when is meeting starting?
[16:08] <Kilos> 20.30
[16:09] <Kilos> what you doing?
[16:09] <theblazehen> Ty
[16:09] <Kilos> studying?
[16:09] <theblazehen> Sitting at hairdresser :p
[16:09] <Kilos> gonna rain if you are so please study
[16:09] <Kilos> ai!
[16:09] <theblazehen> Lol ok
[16:09] <theblazehen> Might later
[16:10] <Kilos> we need rain bad
[16:10] <Kilos> do you do the circles thing
[16:10] <theblazehen> Circles thing?
[16:10] <Kilos> inetpro, are you gonna tell g+ about the meeting tonight
[16:11] <Kilos> some g+ thing
[16:11] <Kilos> it eats data
[16:11] <theblazehen> Ah, no
[16:11] <theblazehen> No webcam
[16:11] <Kilos> i went to my circle and peeps have put videos and all kinds there
[16:12] <theblazehen> Gtg
[16:12] <Kilos> later
[16:16] <nlsthzn> btw what time is the meeting?
[16:17] <nlsthzn> *yawn*
[16:17]  * nlsthzn hasn't slept in 27 hours
[16:20]  * nlsthzn reads what has been said and sees the time mentioned >.<
[16:21] <nlsthzn> 22:30 is going to make this a LONG nite for me
[16:22] <Kilos> why 22.30 neelsie
[16:22] <charl> waaaat
[16:22] <charl> you kill yourself nlsthzn
[16:23] <Kilos> 20.30 to 21.30
[16:23] <charl> i think it's his time Kilos
[16:23] <nlsthzn> +1
[16:23] <Kilos> why havent you slept for so long?
[16:23] <nlsthzn> had night shift last night and didn
[16:23] <nlsthzn> didn't sleep today
[16:23] <Kilos> eish
[16:24] <nlsthzn> had to sit in front of the PC and click stuff
[16:24] <nlsthzn> was fun :D
[16:24] <nlsthzn> now not so much
[16:24] <Kilos> when you work night shift you supposed to go home and sleep half the day man
[16:24] <nlsthzn> will try next tome
[16:24] <charl> ja but then your whole cycle is screwed
[16:24] <nlsthzn> *time
[16:24] <charl> now you go back to your old cycle and you're screwed again
[16:24] <Kilos> what you been clicking thats fun
[16:24] <charl> it's like jetlag
[16:24] <nlsthzn> I normally sleep 3-4 hours just to help
[16:25] <nlsthzn> since getting Gnome 3.14 up and running most things on the PC are fun to click :p
[16:25] <nlsthzn> and also games
[16:25] <nlsthzn> mostly games
[16:25] <Kilos> ya permanent nights or days is better than chopping changing
[16:25] <charl> when i got to the states after so many hours on planes and waiting in washington airport (a uber boring airport btw unless you want to eat) i just fell down on the bed and slept
[16:25] <charl> in the hotel room
[16:25] <charl> when you go west it's easy, then you can sleep but i found that every time i travel east i end up with massive jetlag
[16:25] <nlsthzn> speaking of games...   Went to doctor yesterday, blood pressure was 80/60
[18:00] <nuvolari> don't you dare!
[18:00] <theblazehen> Lol nuvolari
[18:00] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:00] <Kilos> kinda low
[18:00] <kbmonkey> was about to ask if that is high
[18:01] <theblazehen> Kilos: yeah.. Normal is 120/80
[18:01] <kbmonkey> I know not how blood pressure works.
[18:01] <kbmonkey> feeling okay theblazehen ?
[18:01] <Kilos> theblazehen, eat lots of salt
[18:01] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: OK enough for now
[18:01] <theblazehen> Kilos: does sugar count?
[18:01] <Kilos> on onion or tomato or anything else
[18:01] <Kilos> salt
[18:01] <theblazehen> Had some spare icing from a cake :D
[18:01] <Kilos> dont you understand english
[18:01] <Kilos> salt raises bp
[18:02] <theblazehen> OK, salt it is then...
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:02] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my kinders man
[18:03] <Kilos> like even a teaspoon ful and wash it down with water
[18:03] <Kilos> and before meeting over bp will be up
[18:03] <kbmonkey> salt water?
[18:03] <nuvolari> o.O Game of thrones is vicious!
[18:04] <Kilos> salt water not lekker to drink but we keep sea water here for the healing properties of sea water
[18:04] <theblazehen> nuvolari: /me downloads
[18:04] <Kilos> nuvolari, size
[18:05] <nuvolari> waai size oom?
[18:05] <Kilos> die game
[18:05] <Kilos> en is dit n online ding?
[18:05] <nuvolari> eh? oh, ek praat van die series :P
[18:05] <Kilos> o
[18:06] <Kilos> so whats blaze downloading
[18:06] <nuvolari> dunno
[18:06] <kbmonkey> I love it nuvolari
[18:06] <theblazehen> Kilos: game of thrones!
[18:06] <nuvolari> theblazehen:what are you downloading?
[18:06] <nuvolari> :P
[18:06] <Kilos> oh ya i seen some of the series, its good
[18:06] <nuvolari> oh
[18:06] <theblazehen> nuvolari: !!
[18:06] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: I've played the RPG last Wednesday
[18:06] <nuvolari> well, my first RPG ever
[18:06] <kbmonkey> There is an RPG?!
[18:06] <nuvolari> so I have to catch up :P
[18:07] <theblazehen> nuvolari: I hear it has lotsa nudity?
[18:07] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: yeah
[18:07] <Kilos> even the dragon chick gets heavy at times
[18:07] <nuvolari> theblazehen: you can't watch
[18:07] <nuvolari> :P
[18:07] <theblazehen> nuvolari: haha. I'm totally 18 and above..
[18:07] <nuvolari> Kilos: she's so thin, can't get heavy
[18:07] <Kilos> rofl
[18:07] <theblazehen> In just over a month anyway..
[18:07] <Kilos> sy nogal oulik ook
[18:08] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[18:08] <nuvolari> yep, have to roll my tongue back each time she appears
[18:08] <nuvolari> except when she's chowing on a heart or something
[18:08] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> hehe
[18:08] <theblazehen> nuvolari: ok, I should really watch that...
[18:09] <nuvolari> theblazehen: yeah, be prepared, medieval morals might shock you
[18:09] <kbmonkey> theblazehen, just try not read any spoilers before you do!
[18:09] <Kilos> its a very drawn out series but good
[18:09] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: yeah..
[18:09] <kbmonkey> its not drawn out! you young whipper snappers just need to learn some patience! ;)
[18:09] <Kilos> there were no medieval morals
[18:09] <theblazehen> So my chemistry teacher wants me to give her the first few seasons of breaking bad...
[18:10] <nuvolari> sounds dodgy
[18:10] <theblazehen> nuvolari: haha, you ever watch it?
[18:10] <nuvolari> yeah, first season I think
[18:10] <nuvolari> long ago
[18:10] <theblazehen> nuvolari: and you stopped watching ?!
[18:10] <nuvolari> yeah
[18:11] <theblazehen> How?
[18:11] <nuvolari> ran out of movie files?
[18:11] <nuvolari> wasn't interested enough to continue
[18:11] <theblazehen> nuvolari: ahh, lol
[18:11] <theblazehen> I watched first season in 1 sitting...
[18:12] <theblazehen> And first 3 episodes of 2nd
[18:12] <theblazehen> Like 5 pm to 2 am
[18:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:12] <kbmonkey> wow
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I can watch 2 at most before the javascript calls me back
[18:13] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, been learning my js :)
[18:13] <theblazehen> I wish I could do useful work :(
[18:13] <jeoffrey_of_bara> damn, limited characters
[18:13] <theblazehen> I'm basically useless at doing anything
[18:14] <jeoffrey_barathe> :'(
[18:14] <kbmonkey> me too theblazehen I just pretend :)
[18:14] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: ahh, haha :)
[18:14] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: cool!
[18:15] <nuvolari> I've been taking a break from JS again :P
[18:15] <nuvolari> we're moving from GWT to Vaadin
[18:15] <nuvolari> which is a bit heavy for some of the stuff we do IMO
[18:15] <nuvolari> but, I don't make the decisions
[18:17] <nuvolari> right, so I don't se too much important stuff for tonight, besides the LoCo reapproval
[18:17] <nuvolari> we need a cheatsheet
[18:17] <gremble> Did I miss the meeting?
[18:17] <nuvolari> not been going too well recently IMO
[18:17] <nuvolari> but we have to live with it
[18:17] <nuvolari> gremble: nope!
[18:17] <nuvolari> a couple of minutes early!
[18:17] <nuvolari> welcome :)
[18:17] <gremble> schweet. Thanks nuvolari
[18:17] <nuvolari> starting in 13 minutes
[18:18] <theblazehen> My data almost out:(
[18:18] <nuvolari> theblazehen! don't browse, don't watch movies, don't breathe!
[18:18] <nuvolari> ok, wait, you can breathe
[18:18] <theblazehen> nuvolari: irc?
[18:19] <nuvolari> irc?
[18:19] <nuvolari> irc!
[18:19] <theblazehen> I actually wonder if vodacom charges for the resends in TCP, or if they process the TCP on their side, and then handles the connection to phone separately
[18:20] <nuvolari> 2 coffee || !(2 coffee)
[18:20] <theblazehen> Hate to be charged for all my dropped packets
[18:20] <theblazehen> >80% in some classes
[18:20] <nuvolari> ow :-/
[18:20] <nuvolari> ok, bbiab, making coffee
[18:20] <theblazehen> Yeah :(
[18:20] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[18:20]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[18:22] <theblazehen> 8 minutes!
[18:22] <charl> jaja
[18:22] <charl> get a move on
[18:22] <theblazehen> Only got 20 MB left of data...
[18:23] <Kilos> dont browse
[18:23] <theblazehen> Kilos: ya, maybe just reddit with app
[18:23] <Kilos> 20m is a couple of days for irc
[18:23] <theblazehen> Yeah, get 1 GB on Saturday :)
[18:23]  * kbmonkey would love coffee but not after 8pm :(
[18:24] <charl> heh
[18:24] <charl> kbmonkey: keeps you awake until after 2 ? :P
[18:24] <charl> yeah i used to drink coffee every evening but stopped with it as well
[18:24] <theblazehen> ChanServ: I wish mine did :(
[18:24] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari and Kilos!
[18:24] <theblazehen> And I should stop assuming that tab complete is correct...
[18:25] <charl> lol
[18:25] <kbmonkey> charl, yeah awake till 1 even without coffee o.O
[18:25] <kbmonkey> but I stopped having at night and am better for it :)
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:26] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:26] <nuvolari> thanks Maaz
[18:26] <nuvolari> o.O for real?
[18:27] <nuvolari> I have the best sleep after a cuppa coffee
[18:27] <nuvolari> :D
[18:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: roll over
[18:27] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[18:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: sit
[18:27] <Maaz> nuvolari: *blink*
[18:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: blink
[18:27] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[18:27] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:27] <nuvolari> stubborn bot
[18:27] <magespawn> hi all
[18:27] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[18:28] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:28] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[18:28] <Maaz> magespawn: There isn't a pot on
[18:28] <magespawn> Maaz coffee on
[18:28]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:28] <magespawn> Maaz large
[18:28] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you magespawn
[18:28] <nuvolari> oh hi magespawn
[18:28] <theblazehen> Hi magespawn
[18:29] <theblazehen> You get the link?
[18:29] <magespawn> the reddit rf link? yes thanks
[18:29] <theblazehen> Yeah. Interesting?
[18:29] <nlsthzn> still time to get a cup of coffee ?
[18:29] <Kilos> hurry
[18:30] <kbmonkey> yup
[18:30] <charl> get it together people
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <charl> the clock does not stand still :P
[18:30] <magespawn> theblazehen, yes, it does not always pay to use the power settings all the way up
[18:31] <kbmonkey> no but it gets pretty darn close near the speed of light
[18:31] <charl> lol
[18:31] <charl> ja...
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting (October 2014)
[18:31]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:31]  * nlsthzn will get coffee later then :)
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic welcoming and introduction
[18:32] <Maaz> Current Topic: welcoming and introduction
[18:32] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[18:32] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:32] <nuvolari> welcome everyone :)
[18:32] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:32] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[18:32] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:32] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[18:32] <nlsthzn> Maaz, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[18:32] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Sure
[18:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for magespawn!
[18:32] <gremble> Maaz: I am Jaco Stroebel
[18:32] <Maaz> gremble: Sure
[18:32] <magespawn> specifically when there is more work than time
[18:32] <magespawn> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[18:32] <Maaz> magespawn: Done
[18:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:32] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[18:32] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[18:33] <Kilos> lol tomorrow hell say pong
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Hello #ubuntu-za
[18:33] <nuvolari> right, thank you everyone for making the effort to join us tonight
[18:33] <nuvolari> we've been very quiet at meetings lately
[18:33] <nuvolari> so we are trying to kick it up a notch
[18:33] <nlsthzn> hi all :)
[18:33] <nuvolari> also in light of the LoCo reapproval that we need to be more active IMO
[18:34] <nuvolari> hi nlsthzn :)
[18:34] <nuvolari> coffee. bbiass
[18:34] <theblazehen> Maaz I am Jeandre Henderson
[18:34] <Maaz> theblazehen: Done
[18:34] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:34] <Maaz> superfly: Sure
[18:35] <gremble> Ok, so what is on the agenda for tonight?
[18:35] <Kilos> aw where is maia?
[18:35] <nuvolari> oh hi superfly :)
[18:35] <nuvolari> welcome gremble
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda
[18:35] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141028
[18:35] <nuvolari> gremble: ^^
[18:35] <kbmonkey> Thanks nuvolari
[18:35] <superfly> hi nuvolari, I'm just going to lurk
[18:35] <nuvolari> no problem superfly :)
[18:36] <nuvolari> How is the baby fly doing? :D
[18:36] <nlsthzn> nice to see you too superfly
[18:36] <nuvolari> she's so cute
[18:36] <kbmonkey> just like a baby Tux?
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos , you let everyone know on all the social media channels about today?  I didn't check or didn
[18:37] <nlsthzn> didn't get
[18:37] <nuvolari> gremble: nice to meet you
[18:37] <nuvolari> I haven't met you before, have i?
[18:37] <Kilos> nope i didnt tweet or mail
[18:37] <Kilos> my bad
[18:37]  * nuvolari isn't a regular any more :'(
[18:37] <gremble> We have met before nuvolari
[18:37] <gremble> :P
[18:37] <nlsthzn> no worries uncle Kilos it is a team effort and we dropped the ball
[18:38]  * nuvolari is a non-attentive irregular
[18:38] <nuvolari> :P
[18:38]  * nlsthzn wonders what that makes him
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <kbmonkey> we all work too much and don't play enough on our pc's, is what :)
[18:38] <nuvolari> whatever you feel like, I'm not calling anyone names
[18:39] <nuvolari> yeah, truth be talked by kbmonkey
[18:39] <nlsthzn> cool, a case of call me what you want as long as you call me :p
[18:39] <Kilos> but i answered maias mail so peeps that read lsit mails should know and make note
[18:39] <kbmonkey> I saw the email Kilos
[18:39] <nuvolari> it flew past me, let me try to find it
[18:39]  * tumbleweed waves
[18:39] <nuvolari> wait, we're not on that topic yet
[18:39] <Kilos> ohi tumbleweed
[18:39] <nuvolari> oh hi tumbleweed :)
[18:39] <Kilos> long wave that
[18:40] <theblazehen> Hi tumbleweed
[18:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review previous minutes
[18:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[18:40] <nlsthzn> o/ tumbleweed
[18:40] <nuvolari> previous minutes: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-09-23-18-40-18.txt
[18:41] <Kilos> welcome maiatoday
[18:41]  * nlsthzn wasn't in the last meeting that he can remember so has no idea how accurate it is
[18:41] <nuvolari> the only thing we do properly is reviewing previous minutes :P
[18:41] <nlsthzn> o/ maiatoday
[18:41] <Kilos> lovely to see you here
[18:41] <nuvolari> oh hi bytjie :)
[18:41] <maiatoday> hi everyone, sorry I am late
[18:41] <gremble> tsk tsk
[18:41]  * nuvolari taps foot
[18:41] <maiatoday> Maaz I am maia grotepass
[18:41] <Maaz> maiatoday: Done
[18:41] <theblazehen> Hi maiatoday
[18:41] <nuvolari> tsk tsk, we've been waiting just for you
[18:41] <nuvolari> :P
[18:41] <maiatoday> :P
[18:41] <maiatoday> :D
[18:42] <theblazehen> I'm out, will catch up with the logs later
[18:42] <kbmonkey> 8D
[18:42] <nuvolari> nooooo :-/
[18:42] <nuvolari> y u drop us nao?
[18:42] <Kilos> no theblazehen
[18:42] <theblazehen> nuvolari: ok, fine... I'll stay for a bit longer...
[18:42] <nuvolari> \o/
[18:42] <nlsthzn> pfft, real life always getting in the way
[18:42] <Kilos> 40 mins more
[18:42] <charl> y u no stay
[18:42] <nuvolari> the power of deception
[18:42] <charl> :D
[18:42] <nuvolari> er, convincing
[18:42] <nlsthzn> peer pressure ftw
[18:43] <Kilos> you well maiatoday ?
[18:43] <nuvolari> oh! the new ubuntu..
[18:43] <Kilos> we miss you you know
[18:43] <maiatoday> very
[18:43] <maiatoday> thx Kilos
[18:43] <nuvolari> see we mentioned it last meeting
[18:43] <nuvolari> anyone been playing around?
[18:43] <maiatoday> does anyone have the minutes of the previous meeting
[18:43] <nuvolari> I haven't had a chance to catch up
[18:44] <maiatoday> where are we with this one?
[18:44] <kbmonkey> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-09-23-18-40-18.txt
[18:44]  * nlsthzn was typing something about his unicorn but it didn't sound right :/
[18:44] <nuvolari> maiatoday: review previous meeting is the current topic
[18:44] <nuvolari> :P
[18:44] <nuvolari> lol nlsthzn
[18:44] <maiatoday> ok
[18:44]  * nlsthzn is on Ubuntu Gnome 14.10 Gnome 3.14 installed
[18:44] <nuvolari> nlsthzn: don't make it about you, then it wouldn't sound as dodgy
[18:45] <nlsthzn> nuvolari, :D
[18:45] <kbmonkey> oh my hat. on topic I have not yet got the new Ubuntu
[18:46] <theblazehen> Ok, I stay until battery dies
[18:46] <Kilos> turn gui off and read the text
[18:47] <Kilos> or plug in a charger
[18:47] <theblazehen> Kilos: GUI on phone?
[18:47] <maiatoday> ok I am looking at the logs, I have nothing to add
[18:47] <nuvolari> yeah, where's your braille reader?
[18:47] <theblazehen> And charger at desk. /me in bed
[18:47] <nlsthzn> in the words of Monty Python, get on with it :p
[18:47] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: yeah!
[18:48] <nuvolari> it should be nifty to learn braille. I could never figure out the 'code' as a kid
[18:48]  * nlsthzn suspects maiatoday was the only one to actually read the logs of the previous meeting
[18:48] <nuvolari> lies!
[18:48] <maiatoday> ok so what is the next topic/
[18:48] <nuvolari> I scanned nlsthzn
[18:49] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Releases
[18:49] <Maaz> Current Topic: Releases
[18:49] <nuvolari> we're out of place :-/
[18:49]  * nlsthzn is still on 14.10
[18:49] <nlsthzn> even in this topic
[18:49] <nuvolari> nlsthzn? still?
[18:50] <kbmonkey> Also scanned through the mins, nothing to ad
[18:50] <Kilos> see maiatoday when you let the kids run loose they mess things up
[18:50] <nuvolari> :O
[18:50] <nuvolari> thanks for that oom Kilos
[18:50] <Kilos> hehe sorry
[18:50]  * nuvolari cries in the corner
[18:51] <kbmonkey> hey hey boys don't cry
[18:51] <nuvolari> Maybe I should try 14.10 to see if this lappy's NVidia cards are properly supported
[18:51]  * maiatoday hands out fizzers to everyone who has been keeping irc alive
[18:51] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: yeah, they don't. grown men with feelings do
[18:51] <nuvolari> :p
[18:51] <theblazehen> Am I supposed to be offended here too?
[18:52]  * Kilos gonna wait till they have mir and systemd very stable
[18:52]  * nlsthzn hasn't had a fizzer in years
[18:52] <theblazehen> Ty maiatoday!
[18:52]  * maiatoday hands out more fizzers to grown men with feelings
[18:52]  * nuvolari sees the freenode admins walking off with the fizzers "(
[18:52] <kbmonkey> yeeey!
[18:52]  * maiatoday hands out insulin shots to those that need
[18:52] <nuvolari> *:'(
[18:52] <Kilos> hehe ty maiatoday
[18:52] <nlsthzn> \o/
[18:53] <Kilos> move on nuvolari
[18:53] <Kilos> the lady is busy
[18:53] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:53] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:53] <nlsthzn> re-evaluation is an event
[18:53] <nuvolari> maiatoday: the floor is your's
[18:53] <maiatoday> ok I got an email saying it's time for re-evaluation
[18:54]  * kbmonkey sits attentively
[18:54] <maiatoday> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[18:54] <maiatoday> so we have a bug open against ubuntu-za
[18:54] <maiatoday> we  have to prep a wiki entry and present at the meeting.
[18:55] <maiatoday> So as team contact I have to pass this info on
[18:55] <maiatoday> So here's the thing, since I haven't been active, I feel weird making up the whole wiki page
[18:55] <nlsthzn> re-evaluation is easier than the initial request but the loco has not been performing as well as other years in what I can see...
[18:55] <maiatoday> I have received a summary from hilton about what he has been doing for stellenbosch
[18:56] <maiatoday>  So if there are people who want to make the wiki page, I am willling to attend the council irc meeting and present as contact
[18:56] <maiatoday> but I don't have time to make the wiki
[18:56] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: what requirements do we need to remain a loco?
[18:57] <maiatoday> well we have to make the wiki page and then attend the meeting
[18:57] <theblazehen> maiatoday: if it can wait till December, then I can probably help a bit
[18:57] <maiatoday> then they decide our fate
[18:57] <nlsthzn> making wiki page is the easy part, need all the information
[18:57] <maiatoday> but here's the thing
[18:57] <theblazehen> nlsthzn: yeah
[18:57] <kbmonkey> No point in making up work. Best to be honest about activity, and maybe request some assistance with raising interest?
[18:57] <maiatoday> what are the benefits of being and official loco
[18:57] <maiatoday> we get LTS DVDs
[18:57] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: good idea
[18:57] <nlsthzn> maiatoday, not much else that we use
[18:58] <maiatoday> which the post office looses for us
[18:58] <Kilos> ai!
[18:58] <kbmonkey> :(
[18:58] <maiatoday> So I don't want to stand in anyone's way
[18:58] <maiatoday> if people feel strongly about this, I am happy to go to the meeting and present the wiki page
[18:58] <Kilos> maiatoday, are you in contact with them peeps
[18:58]  * kbmonkey reads through the re-ve page
[18:58] <maiatoday> so it depends on everyone what the want to do
[18:59] <nlsthzn> we give what was done and they decide...
[18:59] <maiatoday> Kilos, contact is relative
[18:59] <maiatoday> I get the mailing list messages
[18:59] <maiatoday> I pass loco contact stuff on where I can
[18:59] <Kilos> i mean why they still going on with this re evalue thing
[18:59] <kbmonkey> maiatoday, if you feel the need we can talk about reassigning the loco contact even
[18:59] <nlsthzn> we have to decide was the loco doing what it needs to do or not, more important than verification IMO
[18:59] <theblazehen> Do we get to keep the name if we don't reverify? I'd assume not...
[18:59] <maiatoday> I don't really go to ubuntu council meetings or have time to hang out with you guyes
[18:59] <Kilos> we are a long time loco
[18:59] <maiatoday> If anyone wants to take the loco contact that's cool with me too
[18:59] <nlsthzn> we will still be a loco
[18:59] <nlsthzn> that will not change
[19:00] <maiatoday> we will be a loco
[19:00] <maiatoday> we will always be a loco
[19:00] <Kilos> hi Lionthinker you late
[19:00] <Lionthinker> Hi all apologies
[19:00] <Kilos> login with maaz please
[19:00] <nuvolari> welcome Lionthinker
[19:00] <maiatoday> So two things. 1: If anyone wants to drive the re-eval that's fine, I will help but I am not going to drive it
[19:00] <nlsthzn> IMO if there is enough happening to be verified than cool, get verification.  The idea is the activities, not the "title"
[19:01] <Lionthinker> Hi, I'm Lionthinker
[19:01] <kbmonkey> hmm, you know I guess I wont mind taking over the loco contact role. I would like a break from the chair role, as you all know I failed at that the last few times. Need a change.
[19:01] <nlsthzn> hi Lionthinker
[19:01] <maiatoday> 2: if anyone wants to be loco contact let me know I will help you settle in, if not I'll carry on as I was doing just passing on messages
[19:01] <Kilos> Lionthinker, type in Maaz I am Name not nick
[19:01] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: or maybe kilos? He's always here
[19:01] <Lionthinker> Maaz I am Leon Marincowitz
[19:01] <Maaz> Lionthinker: Done
[19:01] <theblazehen> Kilos: ?
[19:01] <maiatoday> ok kbmonkey, we can discuss after meeting about hndover
[19:02] <Kilos> nopetheim too doff
[19:02] <kbmonkey> Kilos, is very bright :)
[19:02] <kbmonkey> sure thing maiatoday, Il be glad to help
[19:02] <Kilos> maiatoday, is the only one thats knows all the ins and outs. she just needs everyones support
[19:02] <gremble> What activities sort of activities should there be for us to be considered as active?
[19:02] <maiatoday> hehe the ins and outs change ... I have to read the wiki to remember
[19:03] <nlsthzn> good read - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[19:03] <Kilos> maiatoday, the pros are getting dvds, thats all?
[19:03] <maiatoday> ok can't remember the syntax ...
[19:04] <Kilos> what are the cons
[19:04] <Lionthinker> I'm sure we've done enough, launch parties, active irc/email list
[19:04] <maiatoday> Maaz agree kbmonkey to take over loco contact from maiatoday
[19:04] <Maaz> maiatoday: Huh?
[19:04] <maiatoday> bleargh deaf bot
[19:04] <Kilos> hehe
[19:04] <kbmonkey> he is a sillybot
[19:04]  * Kilos kicks nuvolari
[19:04] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed kbmonkey to take over loco contact from maiatoday
[19:04] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey to take over loco contact from maiatoday
[19:04] <nlsthzn> Kilos, basically there is some work involved setting up reporting and this re0evaluation etc...
[19:04] <inetpro> good morning
[19:04] <inetpro> oops... evening as well
[19:04] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[19:04] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[19:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro welcome
[19:05] <theblazehen> Hi inetpro
[19:05]  * nuvolari gets kicked by oom Kilos
[19:05] <Kilos> so what do we lose if we arent an official loco anymore
[19:05] <nuvolari> ow
[19:05]  * maiatoday sigh, should hang out here more often
[19:05] <Kilos> yeah
[19:06] <theblazehen> nuvolari: what you do?
[19:06] <nuvolari> lurk
[19:06] <nlsthzn> An approved team is a team that is fully up and running, has the required resources set up and has met the approval of the Ubuntu Community Council. As such, you can see approved teams as teams with a proven track record. Non-approved teams are typically teams that are still forming and if they continue to develop into a strong team, they will get approved status too.
[19:06] <nlsthzn> from the wiki
[19:07] <inetpro> we should get more active team captains again, someone who can lurk and or participate regularly at #ubuntu-meeting
[19:07] <maiatoday> so in theory we should get it
[19:07] <Kilos> we have been a team recognised for years
[19:07] <nlsthzn> re-evaluation is much easier like I said
[19:07] <Kilos> its time to drop the re evaluation thing
[19:07] <Lionthinker> Sorry to be a pain guys, are there any specific actions that need to be done to keep/maintain official status?
[19:07] <maiatoday> however I have attended those meeting and if there isn't any activity then they sometimes on't get it
[19:07] <nlsthzn> mailing list and IRC working, some events and your in
[19:07] <maiatoday> also there has been some debate about the re-eval process
[19:08] <maiatoday> yeah that's it
[19:08] <kbmonkey> Gone through the mails, I must be blind - when is our reverification due?
[19:08]  * nlsthzn can't find any list of benifits anymore :/
[19:08] <charl> frankly i don't see the point either of this whole loco thing
[19:08] <maiatoday> so if we have minutes of monthly meetings and we have irc activity and one or two events and the blog posts about the dvds that should be good enough
[19:08] <Lionthinker> not sure its about benefits, its about being part of a global community
[19:08] <charl> surely open source is global and about supporting each other in various ways
[19:08] <nlsthzn> maiatoday, +1
[19:08] <kbmonkey> Lionthinker, details for re-eval are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines
[19:08] <maiatoday> but i agree, re benefits
[19:08] <Lionthinker> maiatoday, agreed
[19:08] <charl> why have all these pointless meetings then
[19:09] <theblazehen> charl: +1
[19:09] <nlsthzn> charl, perhaps we should start having meetings with a point then
[19:09] <Lionthinker> kbmonkey, thanks
[19:09] <kbmonkey> Excellent point Lionthinker
[19:09] <maiatoday> I have a feeling this irc channel will still be around approval or not
[19:09] <charl> nlsthzn: sure but what exactly do you want to meet about then ?
[19:10] <Kilos> proposal guys and gal
[19:10]  * nlsthzn has seen this channel shrink steadily ... and activity outside IRC also drop...
[19:10] <charl> if somebody has an interesting project let's discuss it, otherwise why bother
[19:10] <Kilos> lets go for their approval this one last time
[19:10] <theblazehen> charl: maybe new releases, etc?
[19:10] <nlsthzn> so leave it until there is 5 people here doing nothing or do something else
[19:10] <charl> theblazehen: how is a new release a project?
[19:10] <Kilos> then if they dont drop the re evaluation we drop out next time
[19:10] <charl> unless somebody is going to stand at a public mall and hand out cds (for example)
[19:10] <Lionthinker> The last release party had a sizable turn out in Randburg
[19:10] <theblazehen> charl: could perhaps try and get new users?
[19:11] <nlsthzn> Why are there LoCos?
[19:11] <nlsthzn> LoCos are around to help promote or support Ubuntu and build communities in specific areas. Most LoCos have projects such as translating or customising Ubuntu for their specific area, which is one of the things that makes Ubuntu great. The LoCos are a very important part of the Ubuntu Community.
[19:11] <theblazehen> Yeah, exactly ;)
[19:11] <charl> everyone in the "sphere" knows about new ubuntu releases, it's the biggest linux distro
[19:11] <nlsthzn> promotion, support, that is what loco's do... if we do that we are a loco... if we don't so that we are not a loko
[19:11] <nlsthzn> *loc
[19:11] <nlsthzn> *loco >.<
[19:11] <charl> that looks more logical to me
[19:12] <Kilos> superfly, inetpro opinions please
[19:12] <inetpro> +1 to nlsthzn
[19:12] <maiatoday> ok just for some info here are the dates as quoted from the email:
[19:12] <maiatoday> Your team is set to expire out of ~locoteams-verified on: 2014-12-18.
[19:12] <maiatoday> Our next regular meeting will be set for 2014-11-18.
[19:12] <maiatoday> Our December meeting is expected on 2014-12-16.
[19:12] <kbmonkey> Thanks :)
[19:12] <maiatoday> so whoever wants to do re-approval we need a wiki page fo the meeting of 16-12-2014
[19:13] <charl> question is... what can be done about translations and customising ubuntu for south africa
[19:13] <maiatoday> if there is a wiki page and the loco wants to go for re-approval I will attend the meeting for us
[19:13] <maiatoday> if not, then not
[19:13] <Lionthinker> maiatoday, can't we just do it like last year, let everyone put down records of recent activity
[19:13] <inetpro> I say we keep it going and try to motivate new peeps to get involved
[19:13] <Kilos> ty maiatoday
[19:13] <theblazehen> charl: we have 11 languages..
[19:13] <kbmonkey> +1 inetpro
[19:13] <maiatoday> Lionthinker, we cant
[19:14] <maiatoday> oops Lionthinker  we can
[19:14] <charl> theblazehen: uh, good luck with that :P
[19:14] <maiatoday> the t jumped out
[19:14] <theblazehen> inetpro: yeah, new people good
[19:14] <maiatoday> so I will find the wiki page and post it here and on the mailing list
[19:14] <theblazehen> charl: I'm sure we can handle Afrikaans..
[19:14] <maiatoday> then people can add stuff
[19:14] <kbmonkey> especially ones who can promote. I am bad at social interaction.
[19:14] <nlsthzn> charl, for SA someone may decide to help translate documents into afrikaans, zulu, xhosa... if someone wants to...
[19:14] <maiatoday> If by 16 dec the page is ok I'll go to the meeting and say here it is
[19:15] <charl> nlsthzn: well i think there is your problem.. none of that is happening right now
[19:15] <maiatoday> if not I'll go to the meeting and say we are questioning the benefit of being a loco
[19:15] <charl> that's why there's no projects
[19:15] <nlsthzn> charl, but it could be ;)
[19:15] <nlsthzn> but it doesn't have to be that...
[19:15] <charl> anything *could* be :P
[19:15] <kbmonkey> charl should we start dishing out homework?
[19:15] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: maybe...
[19:16] <nlsthzn> *scratch your own itch* TM
[19:16] <kbmonkey> :s/we/someone/
[19:16]  * nlsthzn is off for another 11 days, will have a look at that wiki page thingy (did I ever mention I hate wiki mark-up language)
[19:16] <inetpro> many people started with ubuntu and have moved on to bigger projects outside of ubuntu, nothing wrong with that
[19:16] <Kilos> decide on who is going to do the wiki page so i can hound him till its done
[19:17]  * kbmonkey dubs Kilos "The Hound"
[19:17] <inetpro> some of them are out there making lots of money already
[19:17] <Lionthinker> Okay so from what I see these are the definite actions, everyone update our wiki once links sent out on IRC and email tomorrow
[19:18] <nlsthzn> I will also talk a bit with some of the peeps about the benifit of being verified...
[19:18] <maiatoday> Maaz agreed maiatoday will make the initial wiki page and send out link in email/irc
[19:18] <Maaz> Agreed: maiatoday will make the initial wiki page and send out link in email/irc
[19:18] <kbmonkey> Ironically the purpose of a wiki is collaborative editing
[19:18]  * nlsthzn will update the links on wiki to the irc meetings with the mom etc...
[19:18] <theblazehen> kbmonkey: haha, not all at once...
[19:18] <maiatoday> Maaz agreed everyone will update wikipage if they have something to add
[19:18] <Maaz> Agreed: everyone will update wikipage if they have something to add
[19:18] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, +5
[19:18] <magespawn> nlsthzn, verified?
[19:19] <theblazehen> Might be worth doing a basic version together on piratepad.net?
[19:19] <nlsthzn> magespawn, sorry you lost me ?
[19:19] <Lionthinker> Thanks everyone, will wait for it and then give my 3 cents (what with inflation it might be 4 cents). I have to be off
 I will also talk a bit with some of the peeps about the benifit of being verified...
[19:19] <nlsthzn> cheers Lionthinker
[19:19] <Lionthinker> Just thought I'd say hi and suppor the reverification or whatever its called now
[19:19] <Kilos> ty for popping in Lionthinker
[19:19] <kbmonkey> Ill chip in some wiki text - will hunt for things to add
[19:20] <nlsthzn> a verified / validated / awesome loco :p
[19:20] <Lionthinker> cheers all
[19:20] <magespawn> a right
[19:20] <nlsthzn> find out whats in it for us so to speak
[19:21]  * nlsthzn can confirm there is no #ubuntu-loco channel on freenode :p
[19:21] <kbmonkey> well this is our loco chan
[19:21] <nlsthzn> randal ross just became community manager, I am sure he has LOTS to say on the subject
[19:23] <gremble> Cheers fella's. I have to be off.
[19:23] <nlsthzn> I know that for many countries it is a BIG deal to be verified, it gives them more credibility in their countries to have activities.  people take them more serious etc...
[19:23] <kbmonkey> so activity through incentives even if they immaterial fun
[19:23] <nlsthzn> been epic long threads on loco's fighting over the changes to the loco rules in mailing lists
[19:24] <maiatoday> nlsthzn, yip
[19:24] <nlsthzn> sounds like promotion to me kbmonkey :)
[19:24] <kbmonkey> badges / achievements?
[19:24] <nlsthzn> no that would be fedora :p
[19:24] <kbmonkey> oh, they do that in fedora?
[19:25] <maiatoday> curses I haven't logged into the ubuntu wiki in so long that it doesn't recognise me anymore
[19:25] <nlsthzn> badges, yes :p
[19:25] <kbmonkey> :D
[19:25] <nlsthzn> :D
[19:25] <kbmonkey> maiatoday, let me try...?
[19:25] <nuvolari> I suggest 'PNL - Project New Life' - A Project to get new life into Ubuntu-ZA?
[19:25] <nuvolari> *I propose
[19:25] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, https://badges.fedoraproject.org/
[19:25] <nlsthzn> sounds good nuvolari
[19:26] <nlsthzn> use launchpad SSO afaik
[19:26] <Kilos> spam coming
[19:26] <Kilos> From:	Daniel Holbach<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:26] <Kilos> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:26] <Kilos> Subject:	Re: Ubuntu Online Summit: 12-14 Nov
[19:26] <Kilos> Date:	Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:55:11 +0100 (28/10/2014 11:55:11)
[19:26] <nlsthzn> VUDS
[19:26] <Kilos> those peeps are talking about medals and badges and things
[19:27] <maiatoday> here is our previous approval page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2012
[19:27] <nlsthzn> was it two years ago?
[19:27] <Kilos> yip
[19:27] <nlsthzn> feels like only the other day
[19:27] <magespawn> wow
[19:27] <nlsthzn> I see we had some goals on there ... not sure we met them
[19:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.agenda
[19:28] <magespawn> yup did not realize i had been hanging around that much
[19:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[19:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.agenda is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20141125
[19:28] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[19:28] <nlsthzn> is it safe to say that we need to ensure we have our next meeting before the "presentation"?
[19:29] <theblazehen> Battery at 6%, bye in advance
[19:29] <Kilos> yip
[19:29] <nuvolari> yeah
[19:29] <kbmonkey> That helps maiatoday. Let me create the new page with some bare info, and Ill send out the link
[19:29] <Kilos> cheers then theblazehen ty for attending
[19:29] <maiatoday> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReApprovalApplication2014
[19:29] <kbmonkey> thanks theblazehen for staying :)
[19:29] <maiatoday> I just made one kbmonkey
[19:29] <kbmonkey> too quick maiatoday !
[19:29] <nuvolari> thank you theblazehen
[19:29] <nlsthzn> so we will send it out on the mailing list too?|
[19:29] <nuvolari> have a good evening :)
[19:29] <maiatoday> nlsthzn, I'll do that now
[19:30] <Kilos> yip we have support from lots of the lug peeps too
[19:30] <nlsthzn> where would we be without maiatoday ?!
[19:30] <nlsthzn> still on the welcome agenda point I suspect
[19:30] <Kilos> many peeps use lists and not irc
[19:31] <nlsthzn> few of the peeps know we even have a sub section on the official ubuntu forum :p
[19:32] <Kilos> where is Squirm ?
[19:32]  * nuvolari puts nlsthzn up for chair
[19:32] <nuvolari> :P
[19:32] <nuvolari> Kilos: probably packing
[19:32] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:32] <nuvolari> he's coming to CT over the weekend somewhere
[19:33]  * nlsthzn thinks nuvolari forgets how seldom nlsthzn is at a meeting >.>
[19:33] <nlsthzn> and the fact that Maaz hates me :(
[19:33] <maiatoday> ok email sent
[19:33] <nlsthzn> thanks maiatoday
[19:33] <magespawn> nlsthzn, this is encouragement to come more often
[19:33] <Kilos> ty maiatoday you cant stay away now hey
[19:33]  * maiatoday has a glitchy relationship with Maaz
[19:34] <nlsthzn> the issue is being at work and not being able to attend
[19:34] <Kilos> hehe
[19:34] <Kilos> nuvolari, you do a good job here you just need to leave gaming alone more
[19:34] <Kilos> and less series
[19:34] <magespawn> indeed, know how that feels
[19:35] <maiatoday> ok I have to task switch soon
[19:35] <maiatoday> We'll see where this goes
[19:35] <kbmonkey> Right, I will read through the re-eval page, and think of adding some sections to our wiki page this week
[19:35] <maiatoday> Also kbmonkey I'll mail you and I'll pass on hilton's info
[19:35] <Kilos> when it comes to support what more can we do than here on irc
[19:35] <kbmonkey> Excellent, thanks Maia
[19:36]  * nlsthzn gives everyone virtual high fives for being awesome
[19:36] <nlsthzn> even for Rynomster
[19:36] <Kilos> hi Rynomster
[19:36] <maiatoday> thanks to the chair, kbmonkey ?
[19:36] <kbmonkey> Kilos, is our front line welcoming party. He is here more than most :)
[19:36] <maiatoday> gotta run
[19:36] <nlsthzn> bye maiatoday
[19:36] <Kilos> ty very much for being awesome maiatoday
[19:36] <nlsthzn> and special thanks to kbmonkey
[19:36] <magespawn> cheers maiatoday
[19:37] <inetpro> thanks maiatoday
[19:37] <kbmonkey> gn and go well!
[19:37] <Kilos> look after yourself and keep in touch
[19:37] <maiatoday> bye all
[19:37] <Kilos> sigh
[19:37]  * Kilos sad now
[19:37]  * kbmonkey pats Kilos on the shoulder
[19:37] <kbmonkey> "boys don't cry"
[19:37] <Kilos> hehe
[19:37] <nlsthzn> >.<
[19:38] <Rynomster> hi kilos.. about to go to bed :p
[19:38] <nlsthzn> so... it is almost midnight
[19:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic
[19:38] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[19:38] <inetpro> the meeting still on?
[19:38] <kbmonkey> I think so
[19:38] <Kilos> sleep tight Rynomster
[19:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agenda
[19:38] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[19:38] <nlsthzn> 31 hours uptime
[19:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz, meeting agenda
[19:38] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[19:38] <nlsthzn> better than windows vista
[19:38] <inetpro> Maaz: minutes so far
[19:38] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.html
[19:39] <inetpro> nuvolari: you still here?
[19:39] <nuvolari> hmm, think we need to end the meeting? :P
[19:39] <nuvolari> wait, closing
[19:39] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:39] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[19:39] <nuvolari> I'll chair if I'm around
[19:39] <Kilos> is everything decided?
[19:39] <kbmonkey> Thanks nuvolari for being so awesome
[19:39] <kbmonkey> I'll be around too by the way
[19:39] <inetpro> +1 for nuvolari
[19:39] <nlsthzn> see the e-mail... if enough people are up for it we go for it... if not we don't
[19:39] <nuvolari> that's not true :P I've just been lurking mostly
[19:40] <Kilos> +1 for nuvolari
[19:40] <nlsthzn> +1 for nuvolari
[19:40] <Kilos> and nuvolari more irc time from you
[19:40] <Kilos> no excuses
[19:40] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you can do the next one again
[19:41] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:41] <nuvolari> eh? after the next, so Dec?
[19:41] <nlsthzn> so are we aiming for the novmber or december council meeting?
[19:41] <nlsthzn> cause we need to move our meeting for that month to before
[19:41] <nlsthzn> or will we see how the wiki edit goes?
[19:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari to chair November
[19:41] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari to chair November
[19:41] <nuvolari> yeah
[19:42] <nuvolari> I think that's wiser nlsthzn
[19:42] <Kilos> ya sort the wiki then we decide
[19:42] <kbmonkey> Yes let us edit first
[19:42] <nlsthzn> k cool :)
[19:42] <nlsthzn> then we all have something to do (even if it is to go to bed)
[19:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed kbmonkey to chair December
[19:42] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey to chair December
[19:42] <kbmonkey> next meeting 18 Nov?
[19:42] <nuvolari> 25 Nov
[19:42] <inetpro> 25
[19:42] <Kilos> 4th tuesday
[19:42] <kbmonkey> ok
[19:43] <Kilos> only the december one must be early
[19:43] <nlsthzn> night all... I really need to get into bed, still got to get up early as the daughter had school :'(
[19:43] <Kilos> night nlsthzn ty
[19:43] <kbmonkey> night nlsthzn thanks for joining
[19:43] <inetpro> good night nlsthzn
[19:45] <Kilos> anything else to do guys?
[19:46] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[19:46] <kbmonkey> Nope, I'm good.
[19:46] <kbmonkey> Going to read that wiki page when the meeting ends
[19:46] <Kilos> nuvolari, you can close up then
[19:46] <nuvolari> ok
[19:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next meeting date
[19:47] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next meeting date
[19:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting date 25 November 2014
[19:47] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting date 25 November 2014
[19:47] <kbmonkey> Noted
[19:47] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:47] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:47] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-10-28-18-31-48.html
[19:47] <kbmonkey> Dankie Meneer
[19:47] <Kilos> dankie nuvolari
[19:47] <Kilos> moenie jou so skaars hou nie hoor
[19:48] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I put irc on my phone. I will try keep it running but will use a different nick
[19:48] <kbmonkey> because this one stays logged in
[19:49] <Kilos> cool just tell me when you get here
[19:49] <Kilos> oh you dont have quassel
[19:49] <magespawn> not quassel kbmonkey?
[19:49] <magespawn> hah
[19:49] <Kilos> then you could bounce it
[19:49] <kbmonkey> nope. remote shell account.
[19:49] <Kilos> np
[19:50] <nuvolari> ok, updated agenda for the next meeting
[19:50] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[19:50] <inetpro> ty nuvolari
[19:50] <Kilos> you on the ball tonight
[19:50] <kbmonkey> it's all the coffee :)
[19:50] <nuvolari> pleasure everyone :)
[19:50] <nuvolari> heh yeah
[19:50] <nuvolari> I feel quite sleepy now
[19:51] <Kilos> lekker slapp seun
[19:51] <kbmonkey> I gosh I need to shower quickly
[19:51] <nuvolari> ugh, trainig at 5:00 :O
[19:51] <Kilos> slaap ook
[19:51] <kbmonkey> sjoe good luck!
[19:51] <nuvolari> I need to hit the hay
[19:51] <kbmonkey> Ja go pull out the plushy Tux from under the pillow :)
[19:52] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you got lotsa work now
[19:52] <Kilos> we want a hot page
[19:53] <kbmonkey> like, potato hot
[19:53] <Kilos> no man dodo
[19:53] <Kilos> hot as in awesome
[19:53] <kbmonkey> hotas?
[19:53] <Kilos> hehe
[19:53] <kbmonkey> Kilos, got to work on phrasing :)
[19:54] <Squirm> I'm here
[19:54] <kbmonkey> yes I do have homework ahead
[19:54] <kbmonkey> just in time Squirm
[19:54] <Kilos> im gonna hound you
[19:54] <Kilos> Squirm, read the logs
[19:54] <charl> you aint nothing but a hound dog
[19:54] <Kilos> we need everyone to help
[19:55] <kbmonkey> I go shower real quick, as it cant happen later.
[19:55] <Squirm> with?
[19:55] <Kilos> re evaluation
[19:56] <Squirm> you're going to have to give me more...
[19:56] <Kilos> oh when you start travelling Squirm
[19:56] <Kilos> the monkey is gonna do something to the page needed for re evaluation'
[19:56] <Kilos> maybe did the basics for us
[19:57] <Kilos> 18th dec we gotta be ready for re evaluation os an official loco
[19:57] <Kilos> maia did the basics
[19:58] <Kilos> the monkey is now going to be our local conntact
[19:59] <Kilos> i forgot you are getting ready to move Squirm
[19:59] <Kilos> we have time to sort it all
[20:04] <Kilos> inetpro, you got some time?
[20:04] <Kilos> http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.com/2014/05/voyager-live-14041-review-xubuntu-on.html
[20:04] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[20:04] <Kilos> should i get that or straight xubuntu
[20:05] <inetpro> what's wrong with Kubuntu?
[20:06] <Kilos> i didnt enjoy it too much lkast time remember
[20:06] <Kilos> oh
[20:06] <Kilos> sorry
[20:06] <Kilos> kde is a bit heavy for the old pc
[20:06] <Kilos> works kiff here
[20:06] <inetpro> ai!
[20:06] <Kilos> i even have hexchat working on kde here
[20:07] <Kilos> with sound
[20:07] <Kilos> but it dont bloep it blops hehe
[20:08]  * inetpro shall stay out of this discussion
[20:08] <kbmonkey> Kilos, bloep
[20:08] <Kilos> im gonna hit you
[20:08] <Kilos> bell.ogg
[20:09] <Kilos> you remember my pc repair stick idea inetpro ?
[20:09] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you have been trying a few distro's lately. steal some bandwidth ...?
[20:10] <Kilos> i gone kde mainly kbmonkey  in 64bit
[20:10] <Kilos> rocks here but cant do it on old pc
[20:10] <Kilos> very slow on old pc
[20:11] <Kilos> in 32bit that is
[20:11] <Kilos> i tried your crashbang but i couldnt even get to go online with it
[20:13] <kbmonkey> it is just Debian with Openbox. must have a broadcom/realtek card without the drivers out-the-box sorry man
[20:14] <Kilos> never mind 14.04 has no probs with telkom modems
[20:14] <kbmonkey> good man
[20:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos, do you visit the ubuntu forums?
[20:27] <Kilos> nope
[20:27] <Kilos> what happens there
[20:27] <kbmonkey> me neither. we are bad people.
[20:27] <kbmonkey> not much, last time I was there.
[20:27] <Kilos> i think i went there when i started but couldnt keep up
[20:27] <kbmonkey> I mean the ZA team subforum \
[20:28] <Kilos> where is that
[20:28] <kbmonkey> ubuntuforums
[20:29] <kbmonkey> ubuntuforums.org
[20:30] <Kilos> im there but dont see our link
[20:32] <kbmonkey> I dont know if anyone goes there
[20:32] <kbmonkey> in "other discussions" there is "ubuntu loco team forums"
[20:33] <kbmonkey> it is slow loading
[20:33] <Kilos> mine is ok
[20:33] <Kilos> how do you login with sso
[20:34] <kbmonkey> I don't know, it was never ssowhen I last saw
[20:34] <Kilos> i think in last loco thing maia said forum inactive
[20:35] <kbmonkey> we got moved into archive
[20:36] <Kilos> you just tick login with sso and it goes in
[20:36] <Kilos> whatever sso might be
[20:37] <kbmonkey> single sign on? maybe it links with launchpad
[20:38] <Kilos> i dont see south africa anywhere
[20:38] <Kilos> we use irc not forums
[20:39] <kbmonkey> Yes :)
[20:40] <Kilos> even fedora peeps get help here
[20:41] <Kilos> in your page you can say weve lost 2 of our stallwarts
[20:41] <Kilos> both gone to silicon valley
[20:42] <superfly> tumbleweed is in SV
[20:42] <superfly> cocooncrash is in SV
[20:43] <Kilos> ya
[20:47] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ^^
[20:50] <Kilos> hmm... he faded
[20:50] <kbmonkey> who me?
[20:50] <Kilos> ohi
[20:51] <Kilos> you working on the page kbmonkey ?
[20:51] <kbmonkey> Yes
[21:15] <Kilos> sjoe bushtech jy laat wakker ne
[21:16] <bushtech> Ja sukkel my vrek na ek my weerstasie se software update het
[21:16] <bushtech> en jy ? insomnia?
[21:17] <Kilos> nee ek wil night data gebruik om xubuntu te kry
[21:18] <bushtech> nog so 40 min dan's jy reg
[21:18] <Kilos> soek iets bietjie vinniger as kde en unity vir ou dual core met 2g ram
[21:19] <bushtech> nog 'n 2g ram chip is nie so duur nie
[21:19] <bushtech> dink nie hulle maak nog 2g nie
[21:19] <Kilos> ya man hulle is duur die ddr goed
[21:20] <Kilos> ek het gesukkel om 2 x 1g te kry vir die ding
[21:20] <bushtech> maak hulle nog so klein ram?
[21:21] <Kilos> en ek kon 2g ddr3 destyds kry vir die selle prys so ek sit liewers n vinnige os op die ou pc en spaar liwers vir nog goed vir hierdie ene
[21:22] <Kilos> nee jy moet wyd soek vir dit
[21:22] <Kilos> ek dink hulle was R250 vir 1g ddr
[21:23] <bushtech> gaan maak 'n draai by 'n ou wat pc's regmaak
[21:23] <bushtech> hy gee hulle dalk verniet weg
[21:23] <Kilos> nou kan jy 4g ddr3 kry vir R450
[21:23] <bushtech> ja, dis omtrent wat ek laasmaand betaal het
[21:24] <Kilos> nee hulle is die ergste want hulle weet jy kry dit nie meer nie so stoot die prys
[21:24] <bushtech> maak eers pels met die ou :)
[21:24] <Kilos> en nou is daar ddr4 ook uit
[21:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:24] <Kilos> lol
[21:25] <Kilos> hulle almal skelm
[21:25] <bushtech> jaaaaaaaaaa kan nie bybly nie
[21:25] <Kilos> geld is god vandag
[21:25] <bushtech> nog altyd
[21:25] <Kilos> nee man daar was mense wat ander wou help nou is hulle skaars
[21:26] <Kilos> ons het n paar hier nog
[21:26] <bushtech> ja, hulle raak skaars
[21:26] <Kilos> baie
[21:27] <bushtech> soos panelbeaters wat nog 'n duik kan uiklop
[21:27] <Kilos> is jou weer stasie reg?
[21:27] <bushtech> hy loop as ek syslog tail
[21:28] <bushtech> maar kan nog nie data sien nie
[21:28] <Kilos> ek wou jou iets vra maar vergeet nou wat
[21:28] <Kilos> hehe
[21:28] <bushtech> hoop maar hy is nog besig met data update
[21:28] <Kilos> dis nie die ouder maar die dom wat pla
[21:29] <bushtech> ja, oldtimers disease
[21:29] <bushtech> ken hom goed
[21:29] <Kilos> watse nuwe mense gaan jy bring na ubuntu toe
[21:30] <bushtech> ek sit hier in die bos, mense maar skaars
[21:30] <Kilos> o het jy nie baie kontakte nie
[21:31] <Kilos> wat maak jy met al die servers en goed
[21:31] <bushtech> ja, maar hulle maakie uit van computers nie
[21:31] <Kilos> ai
[21:31] <Kilos> leer hulle
[21:32] <bushtech> hehe
[21:32] <Kilos> ek het eers n jaar voor 08.10 begin
[21:32] <Kilos> met vensters
[21:32] <bushtech> 1 is 'n backup server en die ander  'n media server
[21:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:33] <Kilos> backup vir wat?
[21:33] <bushtech> vir my en my vrou se laptops
[21:33] <Kilos> lol
[21:34] <Kilos> makliker op externals
[21:34] <bushtech> Hy is opgestel toe sy nog haar besigheid van die huis af gehardloop het
[21:34] <Kilos> aha
[21:35] <bushtech> dis ,n raid server
[21:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[21:35] <Kilos> 2 skywe
[21:36] <bushtech> ja
[21:36] <Kilos> julle te slim
[21:36] <bushtech> bbl, sien ddars nog 'n probleem
[21:36] <Kilos> ok
[21:36] <Kilos> voorspoed
[21:37] <bushtech> ta
[21:42] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I got the basic form on
[21:42] <kbmonkey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/ReVerificationApplication2014
[21:42] <kbmonkey> need to find a lot of links to events we did the last 2 years
[21:42] <Kilos> lemme go see
[21:43] <kbmonkey> sjoe you are up late!
[21:43] <Kilos> ya nearly os download time
[21:43] <kbmonkey> I add a testimonial this time, but not tonight.
[21:44] <Kilos> nice
[21:44] <kbmonkey> okay for a start?
[21:44] <Kilos> ya you must go sleep now
[21:44] <Kilos> yeah
[21:44] <kbmonkey> needs lots more
[21:45] <Kilos> there is time still
[21:45] <Kilos> over a month so lots can be added
[21:45] <kbmonkey> oh ja, 6 weeks about
[21:46] <Kilos> just mustnt be left to last minute
[21:48] <kbmonkey> I think so too
[21:49] <Kilos> you gotta work just now man go sleep
[21:49] <kbmonkey> soon enough I will go
[21:49] <Kilos> lol
[21:50] <Kilos> im nearly falling off the chair here
[21:50] <kbmonkey> was just reading the loco howto
[21:51] <Kilos> our biggest dropoff has been release parties and ubuntu hours
[21:51] <kbmonkey> I went to be at 1 last night. so some nights this is bed time
[21:52] <kbmonkey> other nights it is 9.
[21:52] <Kilos> but some of the guys have been to foss events
[21:52] <kbmonkey> yar ubuntu hours
[21:52] <Kilos> ask the pro and blaze for feedback
[21:52] <kbmonkey> we did SFD
[21:52] <kbmonkey> but not sure of online pics
[21:52] <Kilos> ya that
[21:53] <kbmonkey> I am not a big photo person myself
[21:53] <Kilos> they can just say what they saw and learned
[21:53] <kbmonkey> That will do
[21:53] <Kilos> and there was that talk by the floss guy
[21:54] <kbmonkey> the dentist?
[21:54] <kbmonkey> oh RMS
[21:54] <kbmonkey> hehe
[21:54] <Kilos> vince has a link to a video
[21:55] <Kilos> sjoe you can still joke, im battling to think here
[21:55] <kbmonkey> no man just sleep your command
[21:55] <kbmonkey> or you wana watch
[21:55] <Kilos> ja i like watching
[21:56] <kbmonkey> what happens if it times out? you know how to let it auto resume
[21:56] <Kilos> i used at once but sat up anyway
[21:56] <kbmonkey> wget -c
[21:56] <Kilos> i use wget -c
[21:56] <kbmonkey> yes that thing is magic
[21:56] <Kilos> ya
[21:56] <kbmonkey> not even chrome of firefox resumes like that
[21:56] <Kilos> i see they even have a zsync one
[21:57] <Kilos> pity i dont have a cd here to zsync with
[21:57] <Kilos> saves lots of download
[21:57] <kbmonkey> I am sure
[21:58] <Kilos> you end up getting an iso with about 400m download
[21:58] <Kilos> then it is up to date
[21:58] <kbmonkey> that is amazing
[21:59] <kbmonkey> which cd would you sync with? an older version?
[21:59] <Kilos> yeah the crashkid taught me that
[21:59] <Kilos> ya if you have the original and they now on .1 or .2 it syncs
[22:00] <Kilos> i havent tried with an older version
[22:00] <kbmonkey> so what happens is when wget exits it leaves a number-code behind. if this is 0 it means success. if it is 1 or 2 or moree it means error, like disconnect or timeout
[22:00] <kbmonkey> it is easy to check this number, and if it is not 0, run wget again.
[22:00] <Kilos> then you run it again and it sorts it
[22:01] <Kilos> i did that when i had bad connection but nowadays connectiuon is very stable
[22:01] <kbmonkey> $? gives the exit status of the last command executed
[22:02] <Kilos> ok i go start it noww
[22:02] <Kilos> eta 23 mins
[22:03] <kbmonkey> I don't believe that. so quick?
[22:03] <kbmonkey> how!
[22:04] <Kilos> ill give you the average speed when its done
[22:04] <Kilos> at times its just over 1mB/s
[22:04] <Kilos> mostly around 700kB/s
[22:05] <Kilos> eta 17 mins
[22:07] <Kilos> oi slowing down to 400kB/s
[22:08] <Kilos> eeek down to 188kB/s
[22:09] <kbmonkey> oh noes :(
[22:11] <kbmonkey> just in case, handy to save this trick for the future...
[22:11] <Kilos> what?
[22:11] <kbmonkey> while ! wget -c YOURLINK; do sleep 10; done
[22:11] <Kilos> it is up some again
[22:12] <kbmonkey> if wget fails, it waits 10 seconds and tries again. automatically
[22:12] <Kilos> what does that do?
[22:12] <Kilos> aha ty
[22:12] <kbmonkey> a handy trick that one :)
[22:13] <kbmonkey> the "!" means if wget returns any code but 0 (success), try again.
[22:13] <Kilos> cool i have that saved by drive zero command
[22:13] <Kilos> hehe
[22:14] <Kilos> will forget where it is by the time i need anoither iso
[22:14] <kbmonkey> yw :)
[22:14] <Kilos> eta 11 mins
[22:14] <kbmonkey> fast!
[22:16] <Kilos> i love watching the numbers and time flashing by
[22:16] <Kilos> and the worm growing
[22:16] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[22:16] <Kilos> 60%
[22:16] <kbmonkey> do you use slurm?
[22:16] <Kilos> whats that
[22:17] <kbmonkey> it shows ascii graph of up/download
[22:17] <kbmonkey> makes red/greenw worms
[22:17] <Kilos> no i just watch wget info
[22:18] <kbmonkey> is slexy down?
[22:18] <kbmonkey> page does not load
[22:18] <kbmonkey> oh well
[22:18] <Kilos> eta 7 mins 70 %
[22:18] <Kilos> lemme look
[22:19] <Kilos> Maaz, is http://slexy.org down
[22:19] <Maaz> Kilos: No, it's just you
[22:20] <kbmonkey> oh .org whoops
[22:20] <Kilos> its open just very slow
[22:21] <kbmonkey> slurm shows this http://slexy.org/view/s2oRAREuvS
[22:21] <kbmonkey> a text worm
[22:21] <kbmonkey> just a fun little app is all
[22:22] <Kilos> eta 3 mins
[22:22] <Kilos> haha
[22:26] <Kilos> 960 495 616  826KB/s   in 23m 22s
[22:26] <Kilos> now i can go sleep
[22:26] <kbmonkey> wow!
[22:26] <Kilos> night kbmonkey sleep tight
[22:26] <kbmonkey> okay me too
[22:26] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos sleep tight
[22:26] <Kilos> night everyone else too
[22:27] <Kilos> lekker fast this telkom modem
[22:27] <Kilos> the dlink 157 is faster
[22:27] <kbmonkey> Im jealous
[22:27]  * kbmonkey detaches terminal
[22:27] <Kilos> this is a 156 which is a 7.2 meg job
[22:27] <Kilos> the 157 is 23meg
[22:28] <Kilos> night
[22:50] <amanica> maaz tell Kilos I said Hi!  (I was a bit AFK and thus missed the meeting, will scan through it now..)
[22:50] <Maaz> amanica: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[22:50] <Maaz> amanica: By the way, captine on freenode told me "tell amanica that either date is good for me.  My wife would likely join which means we may have a 3 month old with us, so we wont stay late." 7 months, 3 days, 6 hours, 14 minutes and 13 seconds ago


[00:40] <absk007> how to enable serial com without sudo?
[00:41] <absk007> deitarion,
[00:56] <deitarion> absk007: What are you trying to accomplish with serial com?
[00:56] <absk007> deitarion, programming arduino.
[00:56] <absk007> deitarion, i did a work around
[00:57] <deitarion> absk007: http://playground.arduino.cc/Linux/Ubuntu
[00:57] <absk007> changed the ttyUSB0 ownership to me. But that is not a good option
[00:58] <deitarion> absk007: Never change ownership on device files. First, the system will probably change it back when you unplug and replug the cable. Second, there's already a proper solution.
[00:58] <absk007> deitarion, what's the soln?
[00:58] <deitarion> For Arduino, there are two options:
[00:59] <deitarion> 1. Install a custom udev rule that specifically makes Arduino-provided ttyUSB0 readable and writable by everyone. (that's probably what the Arduino .debs on that page I linked do)
[01:00] <deitarion> 2. Add yourself to the "dialout" group. (All serial devices are readable and writable by members of dialout)
[01:01] <absk007> deitarion, even if i add myself to dialout grp, it was not working.
[01:01] <deitarion> (Try running `ls -lh /dev/tty{S,USB}*` and you'll see that all serial devices are owned by root:dialout with 660 permissions.)
[01:01] <deitarion> Correction: `ls -lh /dev/tty{S,USB,ACM}*`
[01:02] <deitarion> (I keep forgetting that some Arduino models use USB-Serial interfaces that appear as ttyACM rather than ttyUSB.)
[01:03] <absk007> deitarion, ok. Mine is USB one
[01:03] <deitarion> *nod* At least one of mine is too. The Leonardo, I think.
[01:03] <absk007> i get FATAL ERROR: v8::HandleScope::CreateHandle() Cannot create a handle without a HandleScope error
[01:04] <absk007> while running node program.js
[01:04] <absk007> i've setup Firmata drivers
[01:05] <deitarion> absk007: I'm only just starting to write Node.JS programs and I've never run into that problem before. Ask Google.
[01:05] <absk007> Google didn't help
[01:06] <absk007> deitarion, you using johnny-five rt?
[01:07] <deitarion> ?
[01:07] <absk007> deitarion, http://nodebots.io/
[01:07] <deitarion> absk007: No. When I do PC-side Arduino stuff, I hack things together in Python since that's what I'm already familiar with.
[01:08] <absk007> deitarion, how to add a file to multiple grps?
[01:08] <deitarion> absk007: Why would you even need that?
[01:09] <deitarion> As for getting Node.JS to work, have you tried installing a newer version from ppa:chris-lea/node.js to see if that fixes things? That's what I'm running.
[01:11] <deitarion> I've never heard of a way to add a file to multiple groups. The whole point is that USERS belong to multiple groups and each file is owned by one user and one group.
[01:11] <deitarion> If you just want to set up complex file permissions, what you want is to look up ACLs (Access Control Lists).
[01:12] <absk007> deitarion, but you said that the tty files have both root & dialout grp
[01:12] <deitarion> absk007: "root" is the user that owns them. "dialout" is the group that owns them.
[01:12] <absk007> deitarion, how to add me to dialout grp?
[01:13] <deitarion> `sudo gpasswd -a YOUR_USERNAME dialout` and then log out.
[01:14] <absk007> oh! i've to logout?
[01:15] <deitarion> absk007: You *can* use `newgrp dialout` to enter the dialout group in a terminal without logging out, but running programs like your launcher don't have that option.
[01:16] <deitarion> Logging out is the simplest way to apply new group settings because programs inherit their active group memberships from their parents and the login process is one of the few places which checks for new groups.
[01:17] <deitarion> Think of it like environment variables. if you write `export DISPLAY=:1.0` in a terminal, only things started from that terminal will see it.
[01:17] <absk007> deitarion, i'm able access ttyUSB0 but it gives a FATAL Error that i mentioned
[01:18] <deitarion> (21:05:14) deitarion: absk007: I'm only just starting to write Node.JS programs and I've never run into that problem before. Ask Google.
[01:18] <deitarion> (21:09:39) deitarion: As for getting Node.JS to work, have you tried installing a newer version from ppa:chris-lea/node.js to see if that fixes things? That's what I'm running.
[01:18] <deitarion> Aside from that, the only suggestion I have is to ask in a Node.JS IRC channel or on the appropriate StackExchange site.
[01:18] <absk007> deitarion, i'm using nvm and i've v0.11.13
[01:19] <deitarion> absk007: I've never used nvm so that just takes you even further from my area of expertise.
[01:19] <absk007> and the latest alpha version of npm
[01:19] <absk007> deitarion, my node is new & latest.
[01:19] <deitarion> Heck, it's quite probably that you caused your own problems by using a development version of Node.JS and an alpha version of NPM.
[01:20] <deitarion> After all, "development series" and "alpha" both mean "If it breaks and you don't know how to fix it, it's your own fault for using something that's not ready".
[01:23] <deitarion> Stable Node.JS version have even-numbered minor versions like 0.8, 0.10, and 0.12.
[01:23] <deitarion> 0.11 means "experimental and not finished"
[01:28] <absk007> hit me.
[01:30]  * deitarion goes AFK to make some food.
[06:12] <SamwiseGamgee> Is there an ubuntu link for information on the Nautilus package?
[06:13] <SamwiseGamgee> I tried looking it up in Wikipedia, but that was not helpful
[06:13] <SamwiseGamgee> Is there a full Nautilus package, and if so, where can I find information on it?
[06:15] <SamwiseGamgee> Does this channel work?
[06:25] <linwifi> Hi, I'm trying to build drivers for my Texet WiFi adapter but get these errors during make: http://pastebin.com/gfrjVemE Can anyone help?
[07:50] <cart_man> Why cant I install ssh-server on lubuntu?
[07:51] <cart_man> "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" doesnt want to work and if I do the recomended command it says the resource must be busy and it cant access it
[07:54] <SamwiseGamgee> Is there Ubuntu documentation about Nautilus?  I can't find it anywhere. I even looked in Wikipedia and the Ubuntu forums
[08:02] <SamwiseGamgee> Thunar is my file manager, but can I install the Nautilus Pastebin configurator without the Nautilus File Manager?
[08:03] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you're not using lubuntu
[08:03] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: this is not the correct channel
[08:03] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: you've been asked multiple times to please use the correct channels
[08:04] <SamwiseGamgee> you mean the forums?
[08:04] <ikonia> SamwiseGamgee: no, the correct IRC channels correctly, OR the forums
[08:04] <SamwiseGamgee> I'm in the forums now
[08:04] <ikonia> this is not the forum
[08:04] <ikonia> (to be %100 clear)
[08:08] <cart_man> Forum --> http://ubuntuforums.org/index.php
[08:10] <SamwiseGamgee> cart_man are you ops?
[08:12] <cart_man> ikonia, Whats the command to see the current processes running?/
[08:12] <ikonia> ps -ef
[08:12] <cart_man> SamwiseGamgee, No just a noob
[08:12] <cart_man> ops as in forum poster?
[08:13] <cart_man> Thanks Iko
[08:27] <SamwiseGamgee> Does Nautilus Configurator work with lubuntu 14.04?
[08:29] <SamwiseGamgee> sorry, Pastebin Configurator
[08:32] <SamwiseGamgee> they say it's a Nautilus extension
[08:33] <SamwiseGamgee> Does that mean you need to have a Nautilus package already running in Lubuntu 14.04 in ordere to install the Nautilus Pastebin Configurator?
[08:35] <jared> SamwiseGamgee: Lubuntu doesn't use Nautilus by default so it's likely you'll have to try it yourself and see. Lubuntu uses PC Man FM as it's default file manager.
[08:35] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks jared
[08:39] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh it's text only, I'm lookin for something to replace Imagebin, because they say Imagebin is no longer safe for posting images
[08:42] <SamwiseGamgee> I can poste text on Pastebin, but where do you guys post your images now that imagebin has malware?
[08:44] <jared> SamwiseGamgee: there are many websites out there that offer image hosting services, I personally don't use any but I'm sure you can find one you like.
[08:44] <SamwiseGamgee> there's probably a good app somewhere in the Ubuntu Software Centre, but I have not found one yet
[08:45] <SamwiseGamgee> for posting images
[08:46] <jared> SamwiseGamgee: I believe most require web page uploads but I've never used them sorry so I don't really know much about Ubuntu integration.
[09:16] <cart_man> ikonia, If I shutdown my GUI and im in command line...what should I run to open up my GUI again?
[09:16] <cart_man> jared, ^^
[09:55] <cart_man> startx seems to work only in ubuntu server
[09:57] <ikonia> cart_man: how did you shut it down ?
[10:01] <cart_man> I didnt yet...just want to murder it now but now without knowing how I can get it back...cause it seems like the changes are permanent
[10:01] <ikonia> cart_man: why do you want to do this ?
[10:01] <cart_man> well obviously not permanent but I dont want to hassle with VI
[10:01] <cart_man> application specific
[10:01] <ikonia> what ?
[10:01] <ikonia> please explain why you want to shut down the X server ?
[10:02] <cart_man> custom hardware with no Visual processing soo the GUI makes it run slower
[10:02] <ikonia> no visual processing ??
[10:02] <ikonia> is this x86 ?
[10:02] <ikonia> custom hardware ??
[10:02] <cart_man> Its old
[10:02] <ikonia> is this x86 ?
[10:02] <cart_man> dont worry about it
[10:02] <cart_man> yea
[10:02] <ikonia> is there a video card in it ?
[10:02] <cart_man> nope
[10:03] <cart_man> hench Visual processing
[10:03] <ikonia> there is no video card at all ?
[10:03] <cart_man> nope
[10:03] <ikonia> so how are you doing anything ?
[10:03] <cart_man> we ran QNX on it which actually had a GUI that doesnt need that
[10:03] <cart_man> it will still run
[10:03] <cart_man> just very slow
[10:03] <ikonia> a gui needs a video card
[10:03] <ikonia> so there must be a video card
[10:03] <ikonia> most bios's won't boot without a video card
[10:03] <cart_man> screen card
[10:04] <ikonia> "screen card" ??
[10:04] <ikonia> what is a "screen card"
[10:05] <cart_man> back in 2003 they use to call it a screen card if im not mistaken
[10:06] <ikonia> I don't think so
[10:06] <cart_man> and even then it was old tech
[10:06] <ikonia> I've never heard of that at all
[10:06] <ikonia> please do "lspci" on the host and put it in a pastebin
[10:06] <ikonia> lets see what you are actually dealing with
[10:07] <cart_man> Intep Corp 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device <Rev 02>
[10:07] <cart_man> :(
[10:07] <ikonia> so that's a fine graphics card
[10:07] <ikonia> that should be enough to run a lubuntu gui
[10:08] <cart_man> Yea but I dont want it anyway
[10:08] <cart_man> it does run fine
[10:08] <ikonia> you just said it doesn't run fine
[10:08] <cart_man> yea thats before I launch my Apps
[10:08] <ikonia> you said there is no video card and it doesn't run at all
[10:08] <ikonia> now you are saying there is a fine video card in it and it works fine
[10:09] <ikonia> which applications ?
[10:09] <cart_man> Look...all I want is for it to not come on automatically which I already did... NOW to stop it from hogging processing power "Which totally drags it down" when my processes are running I want to switch it off
[10:09] <cart_man> BUT
[10:09] <cart_man> in the event that I do need a GUI I need to be able to just start it up
[10:10] <ikonia> cart_man: I just asked you how you disabled it and you said "I've not dont it yet"
[10:10] <ikonia> you're changing your story every line
[10:10] <ikonia> 10:57 < ikonia> cart_man: how did you shut it down ?
[10:10] <ikonia> 11:01 < cart_man> I didnt yet...just want to murder it now but now without knowing how I can get it back...cause it seems like th
[10:10] <cart_man> I have done it but now theres thing I need to do so since linux is soo simple to REinstall I just reinstalled it
[10:10] <ikonia> now you are saying "you have shut it down"
[10:10] <cart_man> >.<
[10:10] <ikonia> reinstalled it ??
[10:10] <ikonia> now you're saying you've deleted it ?????
[10:10] <cart_man> hahahahahaha
[10:10] <cart_man> omg
[10:10] <ikonia> cart_man: "how did you shutdown the X server"
[10:11] <ikonia> lets try to asnwer this clearly
[10:24] <cart_man> ok this is how  -- > vi /etc/default/grub --> Comment "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"  --> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text" --> Uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[10:24] <cart_man> ikonia, .. seems to do what I want it to do and CTRL+ALT +F7 doesnt seem to load the GUI anymore
[10:26] <ikonia> I know how to do it
[10:26] <ikonia> I was asking how "you" did it
[10:27] <ikonia> as you'd swapped between saying you'd not done it, done it, done it but didn't know how to get it back
[10:29] <cart_man> thought it would be a simple command though
[10:29] <ikonia> there are many ways to do it
[10:29] <ikonia> again that's why I was asking what you did
[10:33] <cart_man> would be nice if I didnt have to update grub everytime and restart it
[10:36] <ikonia> you don't
[10:36] <ikonia> you set it in grub and it's set until you unset it
[10:43] <cart_man> So is there a way to make it more flexable?
[10:47] <ikonia> what do you need "better"
[10:47] <ikonia> in what way more flexible ?
[10:53] <cart_man> I want to be able to start it up and shut it down in 1 session without restarting the machine
[10:53] <cart_man> or doing file edits
[10:53] <ikonia> ok, so you can use upstart to start the display manager/stop the display manager
[10:53] <ikonia> it's just an init script
[10:54] <ikonia> ls
[10:54] <ikonia> ls
[10:54] <ikonia> oops
[10:54] <ikonia> sorry
[12:10] <cart_man> ikonia,ok but Upstart being ?
[12:11] <cart_man> If I can get the command the script would be easy to write...im relatively new to is but it seems easy
[14:07] <ikonia> cart_man: upstart is the init system
[14:07] <ikonia> cart_man: the thing that starts/stops things at boot time
[14:07] <ikonia> you don't need to write a script it's already there, you just need to call the start/shutdown option for it
[14:10] <cart_man> ikonia,Ive tried that unfortunatelly
[14:10] <cart_man> sudo upstart
[14:10] <cart_man> : /
[14:13] <ikonia> cart_man: that's not a command
[14:47] <cart_man> ugh...anyway
[14:47] <cart_man> tomorrows worries
[14:47] <cart_man> cheers
[21:29] <hosoka> Hello
[21:30] <hosoka> I did a mistake in the terminal and get this message
[21:30] <hosoka> cannot /etc/apt/preferences.d/ read
[21:31] <hosoka> - DirectoryExists (2: Bestand of map bestaat niet)
[22:26] <francis> Hi
[22:26] <obituaryy> hi
[22:28] <francis> I have lubuntu installed, I'm using a dual monitor setup. Is there way to make each monitor have its own panel because currently the panel extends from the primary monitor to the secondary monitor
[22:31] <absk007> should i remove uxterm, lxterm and xterm. I've installed gnome-terminal and terminator. Which one is better among both?
[22:33] <phillw> absk007: simple system... Try each of them and decide which you prefer :)
[22:34] <absk007> phillw, should i remove the unused ones? Won't it harm in any way for lubuntu?
[22:35] <phillw> absk007: the disk space they use is not to worry about, you can purge them if you wish.
[22:36] <phillw> such applications will not harm lubuntu
[22:36] <absk007> ok. Disk space matters to me though. Running in 7.42GB thumb drive.
[22:37] <absk007> phillw, thanks
[22:37] <phillw> :arandr
[22:37] <phillw> : arandr
[22:37] <phillw> ; arandr
[22:38] <phillw> francis: I'll do this the old fashioned way.... install arandr
[22:38] <ianorlin> francis:  I don't know how to make the two panels seperate you could make one be different width or height
[22:38] <ianorlin> but not sure if both could be on bottom
[22:39] <ianorlin> phillw he askign to make lxpanel not on both monitors
[22:42] <absk007> phillw, how to set zsh as my default in gnome-terminal?
[22:43] <phillw> absk007: I do not use gnome-terminal
[22:44] <francis> ianorlin: I tried creating a second panel but it has to be in a different location
[22:45] <francis> phillw: arandr is what I used to configure my monitors
[22:47] <phillw> I've lost track of who wanted it.. but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2004985
[22:47] <phillw> lubuntu has basic options. If you want esoteric things, you must go search and try.
[23:58] <SamwiseGamgee> How do you exit an application from inside the terminal?
[23:59] <wxl> SamwiseGamgee: killall <process>
[23:59] <wxl> SamwiseGamgee: e.g. killall firefox
[23:59] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, thanks