[00:37] <daskreech> nixternal: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080603-40gb-for-55-per-month-time-warner-bandwidth-caps-arrive.html
[00:37] <nixternal> NO
[00:37] <nixternal> hahaha, poor time warner customers
[00:37] <nixternal> I just checked, and since saturday, I have 8gb
[00:38] <nixternal> most of them kdebase-workspace uploads :)
[00:38]  * JontheEchidna hates how he has to always retrieve 23 MB worth of wallpapers every kebase-workspace upload ;P
[00:39] <nixternal> haha
[00:39] <nixternal> use foresight!
[00:39] <nixternal> that is freakin' annoying, about the only bad thing with every other packaging manager but conary
[00:40] <daskreech> MMMMMM wallpapers
[01:06] <anirudh0> are 4.1 beta packages temporarily uploaded somewhere?..i'd like to compile against them if possible..
[02:11] <vorian> eek
[02:11] <vorian> two tornado warnings so far tonigh, moar to come /me thinks
[02:15] <astromme> vorian: Where are you located?
[02:16] <vorian> Ohio
[02:19] <astromme> Ok
[02:20] <astromme> I'm lucky, in southern Minnesota I don't often get crazy tornados
[02:20] <vorian> we don't usually either
[04:50] <flaccid>  im having my kde4 lockup the system on login now. wondering how to troubleshoot. this seems to happen a lot and have to reset profile. how can i troubleshoot this? should i kill kdm and startx manual and s forth?
[04:54] <daskreech> flaccid: it freezes up upon login?
[04:55] <flaccid> stops at the end of the splash screen
[04:56] <daskreech> hrrrm
[04:57] <daskreech> start with a new session?
[05:03] <flaccid> yep i'll run startkde from a bare session i think
[05:07] <nixternal> undefined reference to `pthread_create' <- this is starting to annoy me
[05:08] <nixternal> cmake says it finds pthread.h and pthread_create, but going through the build, no luck
[05:41] <daskreech> flaccid: joy?
[05:41] <flaccid> its a kwin/glx/fglrx problem for sure
[05:42] <flaccid> i forgot to redirect both stdout and sderr to a log but i will check. might have to do it again
[05:45] <nixternal> flaccid: ahh dude, I wonder if you are getting the same crap I am
[05:45] <nixternal> what video card do you have?
[05:45] <nixternal> my kde4 with my radeon 9600 pro freezes when it wants to
[05:45] <nixternal> but I always get past the ksplash after login
[05:46] <flaccid> daskreech: so like /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde &> ~/startkde
[05:46] <flaccid> lol same video card mate
[05:47] <daskreech> ha ha :-)
[05:47] <daskreech> I love it when a plan comes together
[05:48] <nixternal> flaccid: can you ssh into that box, run top, and then login...I bet Xorg goes to 100 | 100 on that badboy
[05:48] <flaccid> nixternal: so i'll go back to failsafe and run the above command, let it kill my puter, reboot and pastebin log forus?
[05:48] <cartman> morning
[05:48] <flaccid> ok
[05:48] <nixternal> flaccid: I never get anything good from the logs
[05:48] <flaccid> i will do that when it crashes
[05:48] <flaccid> i saw the fat errors kwin was outputting
[05:48] <nixternal> that is why I am looking for a cheap intel based mobo :)
[05:49] <flaccid> but isn't the problem here ati?
[05:49] <flaccid> video
[05:49] <nixternal> I want to say yes, but...
[05:49] <nixternal> KDE 3, Gnome..none of them lockup on me
[05:49] <nixternal> it is just KDE 4
[05:49] <flaccid> true. it is kwin outputting this errors
[05:49] <nixternal> and I don't even have to have composite enabled last I checked
[05:49] <flaccid> let me get them and you can checkout
[05:49] <nixternal> ya, rock on
[05:49] <daskreech> nixternal: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[05:49] <flaccid> yep same. it was glx but
[05:50] <daskreech> I just realised I have the same card
[05:50] <flaccid> ok brb y0
[05:50] <flaccid> oh dang
[05:50] <daskreech> Thats why my X keeps locking up since Gutsy
[05:50] <nixternal> hrmm
[05:50] <nixternal> daskreech: research that :)
[05:50] <nixternal> find out why the 9600's crap out
[05:50] <nixternal> you know, if X doesn't lock up, it just goes black
[05:51] <nixternal> and that happens on Ubuntu as well
[05:51] <daskreech> nixternal: You just said that only KDE4 locks up on you
[05:51] <nixternal> yes, but the others will black screen
[05:52] <nixternal> like shut off, as I can still ssh into them with anything other than KDE 4
[05:54] <nixternal> how come kdepim builds a hell of a lot easier than kdewebdev?!?!
[05:54] <nixternal> this is annoying the hell out of me
[05:54] <daskreech> Oh I don't have another computer so I can't do that
[06:02] <flaccid> startkde log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16762/
[06:02] <flaccid> likely kwin: X Error (error: GLXBadContext[GLX+0], request: X_GLXDestroyContext[GLX+4], resource: 0x1e00003)
[06:03] <nixternal> flaccid: show that off in #kde-devel and see if you get any hits on that
[06:03] <flaccid> no cpu useage on hang when checked in top by remote host ssh
[06:03] <flaccid> okies
[06:03] <nixternal> I am wondering if this is due to what aseigo talked about by pushing the limits of xorg many months back in a blog post
[06:04] <flaccid> it might of started occuring with the last pkg update
[06:06] <nixternal> it has been happening to me for a while actually
[06:06] <flaccid> i think i should test with a fresh user as well to see if it crashes
[06:06] <daskreech> Happening since gutsy for me
[06:07] <daskreech>  since Gutsy when it was +1
[06:07] <daskreech> like 4 hours after updating to it
[06:07] <flaccid> and this is fglrx?
[07:25] <\sh> nixternal, now you have to pay me really a good bunch of bucks for being such a slimer ,-> (Re: core-dev)
[08:20] <Arby> morning all
[09:55] <larsivi> seems like the new wikia search doesn't work in konqueror? the simple term of "trondheim" leads to a javascript error, but works fine in FF
[10:13] <flaccid> nixternal: hey im not crashing now with your packages
[12:25] <maltedik> hi. if i wanna compile kde4 from svn. do i have to remove all the kde4-ppa-packages or may i install it parallel to kde 3.5.8 and kde 4.0?
[12:25] <maltedik> kubuntu 7.10 btw
[12:29] <gnomefreak> maltedik: did you check the kubuntu PPA for it. Im fairly sure that they have kde4 packages there so add repos to your sources.list and install, instructions should be on kubuntu.org somewhere
[12:29] <gnomefreak> although i think they made it able to run side by side for gutsy packages
[12:30] <maltedik> there are kde 4.0 packages. but i want kde 4.bleedingedge
[12:30]  * Nightrose waves at maltedik
[12:31] <maltedik> but i guess i just set up a 8.04 on an extra partition so i can fury around as i wish
[12:31] <maltedik> moinmoin
[12:34] <\sh> maltedik, poke apachelogger
[12:35] <maltedik> i will when i come back on this before-mentioned dev-partition
[12:35] <maltedik> (sorry, sometimes i think by spamming on irc ;))
[12:36]  * gnomefreak thought they would have updated it when they updated intrepid version
[12:37] <\sh> gnomefreak, 4.1beta is coming from nixternal...but 4.bleedingheadandnoseandlips apachelogger is working on it
[12:37] <gnomefreak> \sh: oh
[13:06] <smarter> how do you remove these annoying sound when you minimize/maximize/close/open a window in KDE4?
[13:06] <smarter> *sounds
[13:07] <jtechidna> smarter: Systemsettings -> notifications
[13:08] <smarter> that's what I did
[13:08] <smarter> but I can't find them
[13:08] <jtechidna> It's not under "The KDE Window Manager" entry in the Event source combobox?
[13:09] <smarter> oh thanks, didn't look at that one
[13:09] <smarter> (these sounds should be disabled by default in 8.10 imho)
[13:10] <jtechidna> They will, I believe
[13:14] <Nightrose> it is planned according to the specs from uds
[13:24] <smarter> Nightrose: great :)
[13:24]  * smarter is going to update the oxygen cursors package
[13:45] <mooper> hi guys, i have had a persistent problem with the toggle keys stopping working. shift and capslock, numlock. alt and control
[13:45] <mooper> showkeys is showing that the keys are giving input
[13:45] <mooper> i have tried posting in forums and on #kubuntu for a while but no one seems to know
[13:45] <mooper> wits end etc
[13:46] <mooper> actually. it may have something to do with vmware
[13:47] <nosrednaekim> ok, your keyboard layout may not be correct.
[13:48] <mooper> nosrednaekim: it works fine on boot then stops.
[13:48] <mooper> so i dont think it is keyboard layout
[13:48] <nosrednaekim> so it works fin on the login screen?
[13:48] <mooper> yes
[13:49] <nosrednaekim> mooper: ok, try this, move your .kde to kde-backup and see if that fixes it.
[13:51] <nosrednaekim> oh, and in the future please do not ask support questions here.
[13:52] <mooper> nosrednaekim: please see my third post
[13:52] <mooper> i have been trying to find a solution from all channels
[13:52] <mooper> your a last resort
[13:54] <nosrednaekim> ok, did you move your .kde?
[13:57] <mooper> yes
[13:57] <nosrednaekim> ok, log out and then back in again
[14:04] <mooper> nosrednaekim: It crashed :| Im not having fun with proprietary ati drivers
[14:04] <nosrednaekim> what crashed?
[14:04] <mooper> my machine
[14:05] <mooper> When I tried to log out
[14:05] <mooper> no response fro
[14:05] <mooper> m input
[14:05] <mooper> I HAVE CAPS NOW THO
[14:05] <nosrednaekim> so how did you get back in?
[14:05] <mooper> but that doesnt really prove anything. rebooting usually fixes the problem
[14:06] <\sh> mooper, you are using vmware-server console?
[14:06] <nosrednaekim> oh I know what you ati driver problem is...just a sec
[14:06] <mooper> nosrednaekim: Its actually a vmware problem
[14:06] <mooper> \sh: yes, exactly
[14:06] <\sh> mooper, it's vmware...it locks your keys randomly and doesn't give it back to the xserver...call vmware
[14:07] <mooper> \sh: ha, if I was paying for the server console maybe?
[14:07] <\sh> it happens under gnome and kde...so no "real" problem
[14:07] <\sh> mooper, you can file a bug on vmware pages
[14:07] <mooper> \sh thats almost funny
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/
[14:08] <\sh> mooper, serious...it's not all the time reproducable only sometimes...and then you can relog and it works again...it's annoying but definitly a vmware console problem
[14:08] <mooper> \sh: you can supposedly fix it by resetting to default keyboard in gnome
[14:09] <mooper> \sh they are no longer developing the vmware-server thing
[14:10] <\sh> mooper, if it works, nice..for me it didn't work
[14:10] <\sh> even pulling out the keyboard didn't help
[14:10] <mooper> I dont have gnome so I didnt test
[14:10] <mooper> ah, to be at the bleeding edge of computing
[14:10] <\sh> mooper, what? vmware-server 2.x is coming along :)
[14:11] <mooper> \sh, really?
[14:11] <\sh> mooper, http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
[14:12] <mooper> ooh, have you used the beta
[14:12] <mooper> ?
[14:12] <mooper> I thought server was dead
[14:12] <\sh> mooper, I'm using 1.0.5 on this machine...to run windows for vmware virtual infrastructure client for esx
[14:15] <\sh> mooper, btw...the problem with the keyboard only occurs when you are in fullscreen mode...running only the console and not switching into fullscreen works nice
[14:15] <mooper> \sh I never use full screen cos I have a dual head setup. vmware on one side and host on the other
[14:17] <\sh> mooper, with fullscreen I mean: running vmware guest in fullscreen...not the console...
[14:18] <mooper> yeh, I dig. when you full screen on dual head it just clones itself in both screens
[14:19] <mooper> I have it in console
[14:19] <\sh> nope :)
[14:19] <mooper> I think Ill upgrade to 1.06
[14:20] <mooper> \sh: nope?
[14:21] <\sh> mooper, with ati x300 in dual head mode, it was running on one screen..the second screen was showing the desktop, but locked mouse in the guest you always needed to ctrl+alt to move the mouse back to the real desktop
[14:21] <\sh> (that was with < 1.0.4 these days)
[14:22] <mooper> \sh: I just have the console, I never worked out how to get it to full screen
[14:23] <\sh> install vmware-tools (when running windows) and push the button...running linux in vmware just works like that (host: linux, guest: linux)
[14:23] <\sh> anyways offtopic now ;)
[16:52] <nixternal> mornin'
[16:53] <nosrednaekim> good morning
[16:54]  * apachelogger gives nixternal a good whereiskde41beta1morning hug :)
[16:55] <nixternal> in the ppa
[16:55] <nixternal> where it has been the past couple of days
[16:55] <nixternal> finished, except for kdepim
[16:55] <Nightrose> morning nixternal :)
[16:55] <nosrednaekim> gwenview? or is that extragear
[16:56] <nixternal> gwenview is in graphics, updated as well
[16:56]  * Nightrose wonders if it is save to update to beta 1 or if she should wait
[16:56]  * nosrednaekim grabs it
[16:56]  * apachelogger gets a plate with cookies for nixternal
[16:57] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you already talked about broken when kickoff launched the wrong application...
[16:57] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:57] <Nightrose> that was just to tease you :P
[16:58] <Nightrose> and still that was broken assuming it should have been sandboxed
[16:59] <apachelogger> nah nah
[16:59] <apachelogger> you said your KDE is broken
[16:59] <apachelogger> not the sandbox :P
[16:59] <Nightrose> as if this would change anything... ;-)
[17:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: new sandbox should be finished soon
[17:00] <Nightrose> cool
[17:00] <apachelogger> sure, you can break the KDE
[17:00] <apachelogger> you can't break my sandbox
[17:00] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:00] <Nightrose> of course
[17:00] <apachelogger> considering it starts working at some point :S
[17:26] <santiago-ve> holy... -.- i missed the kubuntu meeting >.<
[17:26] <nixternal> no you didn't
[17:26] <nixternal> it is at 22:00 UTC
[17:26] <santiago-ve> O.o
[17:27] <nixternal> @now
[17:27] <nixternal> @schedule
[17:27] <santiago-ve> @schedule caracas
[17:27] <santiago-ve> yay good!
[17:27] <santiago-ve> :D
[17:28] <nixternal> ooh, you are 30 minutes ahead of me :)
[17:28] <santiago-ve> i got confused 'cause there's an membership approval on #ubuntu-meeting i think~
[17:28] <santiago-ve> nixternal, :p
[17:28] <nosrednaekim> 30 minutes? what? I thought everything was in clean hours
[17:29] <santiago-ve> nosrednaekim, we have a "new" time zone
[17:29] <santiago-ve> in venezuela ;)
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> heh... oh... and whats the cost of gas down there?
[17:30] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[17:30] <santiago-ve> nosrednaekim, err... less than a dollar as far as i remember
[17:31] <nosrednaekim> dang..
[17:31] <santiago-ve> :p
[17:31] <santiago-ve> cheap eh?
[17:33] <nosrednaekim> uhh yeah
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> its like $3.90 here
[17:34] <santiago-ve> :p
[17:34] <santiago-ve> well but you have cheap laptops :p we dont
[17:34] <santiago-ve> xD
[17:34] <nosrednaekim> haha
[17:36] <santiago-ve> ohhhhhhhh yesh
[17:36] <santiago-ve> btw... guys i have a "small" problem when trying to put my blog on the planet.ubuntu.com
[17:36] <nosrednaekim> ok, I just did that, whats the problem?
[17:37] <santiago-ve> it says public key error
[17:37] <santiago-ve> Permission denied (publickey).
[17:37] <nosrednaekim> santiago-ve: did you update and regenerate your keys for the for the debian ssh bug?
[17:38] <nixternal> w00t, kdepim built
[17:38] <santiago-ve> well i updated my whole system... and then re-generated a new key and all
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> did you upload the new key to launchpad?
[17:40] <santiago-ve> yep
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> when?
[17:40] <santiago-ve> like... 2 days ago
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> oh
[17:41] <maltedik> apachelogger: on kubuntu 8.04, may i compile kde-trunk with the qt-libs shipped or do i need to compile them, too?
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> I think the wiki page has a channel to go to for support
[17:41] <santiago-ve> nosrednaekim, for launchpad?
[17:41] <Riddell> santiago-ve: what push command are you using?
[17:42] <nosrednaekim> for hlp with getting your planet ID
[17:43] <santiago-ve> Riddell, bzr checkout<EMAIL_ADDRESS>planet-ubuntu
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> santiago-ve: your username is 469?
[17:44] <santiago-ve> nosrednaekim, ye
[17:44] <yuriy> o_O
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> you can have numbers in a username? I did not know that
[17:45] <santiago-ve> ye... and my mail @ubuntu.com works :p
[17:46] <santiago-ve> Riddell, nosrednaekim i even fixed my bzr~ for  bug #230294...
[17:46] <yuriy> bleh no fix for kwin memory leak in 4.0.5 according to the changelog
[17:47] <Riddell> santiago-ve: there's no ssh key on https://edge.launchpad.net/~469
[17:48] <yuriy> Nightrose: you were backporting the fix for that?
[17:48] <Nightrose> yuriy: it is on my todo - didn't get around to it yet - sorry
[17:49] <Nightrose> yuriy: want to do it?
[17:50] <santiago-ve> Riddell, http://imagenes.zarate.net.ve/varias/launchpad.png
[17:50] <yuriy> Riddell: are there going to be 4.0.5 packages soon? how would i go about getting the fix for bug 205073 into those?
[17:51] <Riddell> yuriy: is there a patch
[17:51] <Riddell> santiago-ve: oh aye, so there is
[17:51] <santiago-ve> ye..
[17:52] <yuriy> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/layers.cpp?r1=800581&r2=804132 in trunk, checking if maybe it's already in 4.0.5
[17:53] <Riddell> santiago-ve: can you checkout?
[17:53] <yuriy> Riddell: ah, nevermind, it should already be in 4.0.5: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.0/kdebase/workspace/kwin/layers.cpp?r1=803345&r2=804133
[17:54] <santiago-ve> Riddell, nope... it says Permission denied (publickey).
[17:55] <santiago-ve> Riddell, may be the hostname? (my machine's name is orchid.zarate.net.ve)
[17:55] <Riddell> kiyu86t
[17:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: who is doing 4.0.5?
[17:56] <nixternal> Riddell: what do you know about kmobiletools and kpilot in kdepim, is it ready to be built? according to alioth it isn't
[17:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: me it seems
[17:56] <nixternal> Riddell: I can work on them
[17:56] <Riddell> nixternal: you're doing 4.1!
[17:56] <nixternal> I am about to finish up the 4.1 betas with kdepim and the 4.0.5's should be pretty easy
[17:56] <apachelogger> oh well
[17:56] <apachelogger> nix has time
[17:56]  * apachelogger continues fixing kde-nightly
[17:57] <nixternal> now if people want to help build the 4.0.5's that would be great *cough* stdin *cough* yuriy *cough* apachelogger *cough* :)
[17:57] <yuriy> nixternal: sure, where do I start?
[17:57] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: you are just trying to get apachelogger behind in the race for the first complete packages :P
[17:57] <nixternal> yuriy: kdelibs :)
[17:58] <apachelogger> nosrednaekim: my packages are complete
[17:58] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: my 4.1's are complete...I can upload kdepim right now
[17:58] <apachelogger> I so won the race :P
[17:58]  * santiago-ve walks to the corner... with his "Packaging for dummies" and "Kubuntu/Todo" books
[17:58] <nixternal> but I am interested in seeing if I can include kmobiletools and kpilot
[17:58] <apachelogger> but from a usability point of view the current stack is worthless
[17:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: you finished all of the kde modules as well?
[17:58] <Riddell> nixternal: I seem to have kmobiletools and kpilot packages for 4.0.80 in intrepid
[17:58] <nixternal> oh
[17:58] <yuriy> nixternal: how's this work? get tarball, copy over debian, remove unneeded patches, dch -i, debuild -S ... that right? then what?
[17:58] <nixternal> well damn, when I looked, kdepim wasn't there
[17:59] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, if you want to explain people why ppa is under constant KDE load, I sure will do :P
[17:59] <nixternal> yuriy: gotta check for new files with 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp'
[18:00] <nixternal> Riddell: where is the kdepim package for intrepid?
[18:00] <Riddell> nixternal: on my hard disk until it has a hope of compiling in main
[18:00] <nixternal> hehe
[18:00] <Riddell> or even in universe
[18:01] <nixternal> can you upload the debian directory so I can grab it?
[18:01] <nixternal> did you build it locally yet?
[18:01] <Riddell> ok
[18:01] <Riddell> yes I did
[18:01] <Riddell> works for me
[18:02] <nixternal> groovy, I have a kdepim package for 4.0.80 that builds, but not everything is getting installed because I grabbed the stuff out of Debian
[18:04] <yuriy> nixternal: for the original .tar.bz2, do I extract it, then recompress as tar.gz and rename to .orig.tar.gz?
[18:05] <apachelogger> bunzip foobar.tar.bz2
[18:05] <apachelogger> gzip foobar.tar
[18:05] <nixternal> tar -xf foobar.tar.bz2
[18:05] <nixternal> then you need to rename the extracted directory to foo-kde4-4.0.5
[18:05] <nixternal> cd foo-kde4-4.0.5
[18:06] <nixternal> dh_make -e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-f ../foobar.tar.bz2
[18:06] <nixternal> answer the questions
[18:06] <nixternal> actually, shoot, I was going through creating a new package
[18:06] <nixternal> haha
[18:06] <Riddell> nixternal: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/debian.tar.gz
[18:06] <nixternal> thanks Riddell!
[18:06] <yuriy> sounded like it, didn't think I needed a dh_make here
[18:08]  * apachelogger logs into pbuilder
[18:09] <Riddell> gzip -9 foobar.tar
[18:10] <Riddell> you don't need to rename the extracted directory to foo-kde4-4.0.5 (although it might help stop confusion, certainly don't rename it in the tar)
[18:10] <Riddell> yuriy: no dh_make indeed, just get the 4.0.4 version from hardy-backports and copy the debian directory
[18:12] <yuriy> Riddell: ok, how about 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp'
[18:12] <yuriy> how does that work and when do I do it
[18:12] <Riddell> yuriy: the time consuming part is that you need to compile it first (debuild)
[18:14] <yuriy> should I be using pbuilder for that?
[18:14] <yuriy> should/can
[18:14] <Riddell> with pbuilder you can't run 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp'
[18:14] <Riddell> so no, just your hardy system
[18:14] <Riddell> yuriy: what kde modules are you going to start with?
[18:15] <yuriy> Riddell: working on libs now
[18:15] <Riddell> hardcore :)
[18:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: why can't one run that in hardy?
[18:15] <apachelogger> errr
[18:15] <Riddell> mind that's kde4libs (not -kde4)
[18:15] <apachelogger> pbuilder
[18:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: you can run pbuilder, but I don't know how you'd then run 'dh_install --list-missing --sourcedir=debian/tmp' since it cleans up the build tree
[18:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: pbuilder login
[18:16] <apachelogger> i.e. bascially just chroot the build
[18:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: and run the build manually?
[18:16] <apachelogger> yup
[18:17] <Riddell> right, you can do that, but I'd just do it in my own made chroot
[18:17] <apachelogger> if I had one, I would do that ;-)
[18:19] <Riddell> yuriy: I've added you to ~kubuntu-updates-testing so you can dput it there once you've checked it builds and doesn't have new files
[18:21]  * Riddell goes out shopping
[18:21] <santiago-ve> shesh-.. this is driving me crazi
[18:21] <santiago-ve> lol
[18:21] <santiago-ve> crazy*
[18:21] <Riddell> santiago-ve: try asking on #launchpad
[18:21] <santiago-ve> Riddell, i am
[18:21] <santiago-ve> :p
[18:21] <santiago-ve> but no answrs lol
[18:22] <Riddell> santiago-ve: can you log in to machines with ssh using your key?
[18:22] <santiago-ve> ye
[18:22] <santiago-ve> tested it on 3 different machines
[18:23] <santiago-ve> ima test something with my other comp
[18:24] <Riddell> santiago-ve: can you checkout an archive beloning to ~kubuntu-users?
[18:25] <nixternal> hrmm, kdepim relies on kghostview from 3.5.9...what is the status of a kde4 version of kghostview?
[18:30] <yuriy> nixternal: dead at the hands of okular?
[18:30] <yuriy> kghostview is the one that's ligature now, right?
[18:44] <apachelogger> hum
[18:44] <apachelogger> god, I hate interviews -.-
[18:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: which word would you choose to describe me?
[18:45] <santiago-ve> Riddell, tellme one.. and ill try
[18:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you don't want me to say that in public do you? *g*
[18:45] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: sleepy
[18:45] <apachelogger> jeez
[18:45] <apachelogger> nixternal: which word would you choose to describe me?
[18:45] <apachelogger> or Riddell
[18:46] <apachelogger> or something I can trust :P
[18:46] <apachelogger> s/something/someone
[18:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dedicated and dependable
[18:47] <apachelogger> I am dependable?
[18:47] <Nightrose> I'D say so yes
[18:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how about strange?
[18:47] <Nightrose> hehe worksforme
[18:47] <apachelogger> k
[18:48] <santiago-ve> yet... i've tried 2 archives and none is working
[18:56] <nixternal> apachelogger: strange is a given, but if I had to pick one word it would be: strangepassionatededicateddependablesupercalifragilisticexpialidoshus
[18:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: lol
[18:58] <santiago-ve> Riddell, nixternal fixed my problem
[18:58] <santiago-ve> its a lp bug
[18:59] <yuriy> Riddell: kubuntu-updates-testing? what is this team for exactly?
[18:59] <jjesse> yuriy: there was a group created to help out testing kubuntu
[18:59] <jjesse> and i don't think it ever went anywhere
[19:00] <yuriy> jjesse: kubuntu-testers you mean?
[19:03] <maltedik> you think apachelogger is strange? i mean, its a relative term, but i havent met any really strange dev so far
[19:03] <apachelogger> uh
[19:03] <apachelogger> ^_^
[19:03] <apachelogger> maltedik: we should meat in real life then
[19:04] <maltedik> we have. i may not have introduced myself properly then :D
[19:05] <apachelogger> not with nick I guess
[19:05] <maltedik> i was one of those kde-guys - the one who came late to the c-base party and who got some beer
[19:05] <apachelogger> then again, I think we should make our real lifes based n nicks anyway :D
[19:05] <maltedik> maltedik is quite reallife
[19:05] <apachelogger> *reads*
[19:05] <apachelogger> haha
[19:05] <apachelogger> indeed :D
[19:05] <maltedik> but you might call me Malte ;)
[19:05] <santiago-ve> done guys: bug #237411
[19:05]  * apachelogger blushes
[19:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: now really, was I less strange @ LT?
[19:06] <maltedik> but now to the word describing you best. next to dedicated would be "bold" i guess :>
[19:06] <nixternal> Riddell: need to remove the .svn from the kde4pim debian/ directories
[19:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope - just normal strange - as always ;-)
[19:07] <apachelogger> maltedik: reasonable but changing on an average level :P
[19:07] <santiago-ve> yay new great post for when i include myself on planet.ubuntu.com
[19:07] <apachelogger> maltedik: ok, your definition of strange is fckd-up
[19:07] <santiago-ve> well im out... Riddell, nosrednaekim thx for the halp
[19:08]  * apachelogger hands santiago-ve a cookie
[19:08] <apachelogger> cya
[19:08] <maltedik> ive seen so many strange things/people. most of the LT-visitors were WAY stranger than any exhibitor
[19:09] <apachelogger> hm
[19:09] <apachelogger> I had contact with exactly 4 visitors, the rest of the time I either was asleep or was forced to work on kde-nightly :S
[19:10] <apachelogger> ah, well, people I met while smoking not included
[19:12] <apachelogger> maltedik: do you have a thinkpad?
[19:13] <maltedik> the only mobile device i own is a nokia 8210
[19:14] <apachelogger> these KDE guys and their nokie :P
[19:14] <maltedik> its bout 6 years old
[19:15] <maltedik> theres no qt/kde technology built in for sure :D
[19:15] <apachelogger> sebas: please test kopete-plugin-thinklight from hardy-proposed and add a commment to bug 221531
[19:16] <apachelogger> *thumbs up*
[19:19] <maltedik> cu
[19:21] <sebas> apachelogger: Ow, I don't even use IM at all :)
[19:22] <apachelogger> meh
[19:22] <apachelogger> I never package thinkpad software again
[19:27] <Arby> evening all
[19:29] <sebas> apachelogger: but I still love you!
[19:36] <apachelogger> :)
[19:36]  * apachelogger cuddles sebas
[19:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you please sync pokerth from debian
[19:39] <apachelogger> ubuntu changes were temporary
[19:39] <Riddell> ok
[20:15] <seele> wow.. wicked storm outside
[20:15] <seele> hmm.. power just went out *cheers for UPS*
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> heh
[20:22] <nixternal> seele: ya, I noticed you guys are getting nailed right now
[20:22] <nixternal> my daughter called and said she was scared
[20:22] <seele> aww
[20:23] <nixternal> she lives down where that huge tornado wiped out like mechanicsville and stuff a few years back
[20:23] <jjesse> seele whaer is "outside"
[20:23] <nixternal> jjesse: DC area :)
[20:23] <seele> jjesse: washington, dc
[20:24] <seele> hmm.. i think i lost a plant off my balcony
[20:24] <seele> bummer, i even tied it down
[20:24] <jjesse> wow didn't kow there was a tornado in that area
[20:24] <nixternal> ya, those are the storms that hit here the other day, they are definitely whicked
[20:24] <jjesse> i have a co-worker that leaves in dc area
[20:25] <nixternal> jjesse: http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/lwx/Historic_Events/apr28-2002/laplata.htm
[20:26] <nixternal> that line where the trees are gone is pretty much still gone
[20:26] <nixternal> http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/lwx/Historic_Events/apr28-2002/lumberyard.jpg <- used to work across the street in the armory
[20:28] <nixternal> dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}' > foo && sudo aptitude purge `cat foo`
[20:28] <jjesse> wow thats crzy
[20:28] <nixternal> lovely little clean up utility right there :)
[20:29] <nixternal> my fingers are tired from doing :%s/usr\//usr\/lib\/kde4\//
[20:29] <Serega> guys, where can I get the KDE4.1 packages?
[20:29] <nixternal> from openSUSE :P
[20:29] <nixternal> just kidding!!!!
[20:30] <nixternal> Serega: check out the ~kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA
[20:30] <jjesse> ppa
[20:30] <Serega> nixternal: :p
[20:30] <Serega> thanks! :)
[20:30] <nixternal> \sh: wow man, thanks for those words on my core-dev application...I almost let a tear go :)
[20:31] <nixternal> Arora has potential
[20:35] <Serega> Riddell: Hi Jon, are you around?
[20:35] <seele> hmm.. so apparently the tornado was on the news
[20:35] <seele> my mom just called me and said stay away from the windows, lol
[20:36] <seele> hmm.. apparently it was only 5 miles away.. maybe i should move the kitchen anyway :P
[20:37] <nixternal> seele: hahahaha, I love when moms do that
[20:37] <nixternal> man, the dc area is going to get nailed
[20:37] <seele> yeah
[20:38] <nixternal> there is a line of storms moving into southern md that looks kind of scary
[20:38] <seele> but as long as it's done by 8 so it doesnt mess with my reception for the Pens game
[20:38] <Serega> Windows(TM) is really a thing that we should stay away :)
[20:38] <nixternal> GO PENGUINS!
[20:38] <nixternal> even though they probably don't rank in my top 5 anymore
[20:39] <nixternal> 1) Blackhawks 2) Detroit (but I want them to lose at home), 3) Boston, 4) Dallas, 5) Either the Penguins or the Flyers
[20:39] <seele> WHAT!
[20:39] <seele> although, i would agree with you that Detroit is a better team
[20:39] <seele> they have a much stronger defense than we do
[20:39] <nixternal> that game the other night was amazing
[20:40] <nixternal> one of my most favorite watched games to be honest
[20:40] <seele> yeah, it was crazy
[20:40] <seele> they basically played 2 games back to back
[20:40] <nixternal> detroit's defense is sick
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> oooh.... looks like those storms are headed this way
[20:40] <jjesse> detroit is going to win :)
[20:40] <jjesse> tonight
[20:40] <seele> they had like 50+ shots on Fleury and we only had 25 or something shots on their goalie
[20:40] <nixternal> is Gonchar going to play tonight?
[20:40] <seele> i dunno, i havent checked yet
[20:41] <nixternal> he has to be one of my favorite players right now
[20:41] <seele> but i imagine he will, they need him and he only needed some stiches on his face
[20:41] <jjesse> why wouldn't you play in what may be the last game of the season
[20:41] <seele> i think the only reason he wasn't playing was that he was bleeding
[20:41] <nixternal> I used to like Washington when they acquired half of the boston players back in the late 90s
[20:41] <seele> jjesse: he got hit in the face with a puck
[20:41] <nixternal> used to go to dc games all of the time
[20:42] <jjesse> seele: i know i watched the game
[20:42] <seele> oh, heh
[20:42] <nixternal> I think Detroit will always be my #2 teams in every sport
[20:43] <nixternal> except baseball
[20:43] <nixternal> 1) Cubs, 2) White Sox, 3) Tigers
[20:44] <nixternal> rock, Gonchar and Malone are playing tonight
[20:44] <nixternal> seele: they just released a tornado warning for dc
[20:44] <nixternal> listen for the sirens
[20:44] <nixternal> if you hear a siren, please get off of IRC and seek shelter :)
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> yeah... we are in a tornado watch here
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> lol
[20:44] <nixternal> dude, I hear the siren, I get in the closet and cry like a little girl
[20:45] <nixternal> I get super religious all of a sudden
[20:45] <jjesse_> but that's because you are a little girl
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> !nixterna;
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> blah
[20:45] <nixternal> jjesse: I am a big girl! :P
[20:45] <seele> nixternal: i live in a huge brick building built in the 60's.  i'm hoping as long as i stay away from the windows everything will be fine
[20:45] <seele> and get off IRC?  are you nuts?
[20:45] <nixternal> hahahahahahaha
[20:46] <nixternal> you my friend, are a freakin' GEEK!!!
[20:46] <seele> Three words: Uninterrupted Power Supple
[20:46] <nixternal> shoot, if there is severe weather in the area, I unplug everything
[20:47] <seele> ah, i've burned up a few surge protectors in my day
[20:47] <nixternal> Variable clouds with strong thunderstorms, especially in the morning.  IF NO UNDERGROUND SHELTER IS AVAILABLE MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR. MOBILE HOMES AND VEHICLES SHOULD BE ABANDONED FOR MORE SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER. AVOID WINDOWS!
[20:51] <jjesse_> duck and cover
[20:52] <Serega> south park?)
[20:52] <Serega> really it is terrible...
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> is it headed north at all?
[20:55] <seele> nosrednaekim: looking forward to a storm? :)
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> I hope not....
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> but I'm not very far north\
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> so we are probably going to get hit pretty hard too
[20:56] <seele> nosrednaekim: baltimore?
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> far south Jersey
[20:56] <Serega> please anybody suggest me a merge
[20:57] <Serega> it will be my first
[20:58] <Riddell> Serega: grab one from http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html  knetfilter is first on the list
[20:59] <Serega> Riddell: how is it first on the list? :)
[21:00] <Serega> it is in the middle
[21:03] <Riddell> Serega: well first that starts with a k
[21:03] <Arby>  Riddell: I got ktorrent to build with debuild -S but pdebuild fails under hardy due to older versions of dependencies
[21:03] <Riddell> hiya
[21:03] <Serega> oh. rly :)
[21:04] <Riddell> im great :)
[21:04] <Arby> Riddell: is that sufficient or do you need a binary build?
[21:04] <Riddell> yup x
[21:04] <Riddell> ahem, cats on the keyboard
[21:04] <Riddell> Arby: can you make an intrepid pbuilder or chroot?
[21:05] <Arby> Riddell:  no, it fails due to aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 but it is not installable
[21:05] <Arby> been trying since last night
[21:06] <apachelogger> uh?
[21:06] <apachelogger> Arby: cp /etc/pbuilderrc ~/.pbuilderrchardy
[21:06] <apachelogger> cp ~/.pbuilderrchardy ~/.pbuilderrcintrepid
[21:06] <apachelogger> kate ~/.pbuilderrcintrepid
[21:07] <apachelogger> replace all appearance of hardy with intrepid
[21:07] <apachelogger> cp ~/.pbuilderrcintrepid ~/.pbuilderrc
[21:07] <apachelogger> oh
[21:07] <apachelogger> when editing
[21:07] <apachelogger> also change the chroot file from base.tgz to intrepid.tgz or something
[21:07] <apachelogger> sudo pbuilder create
[21:07] <apachelogger> then you have a hardy and intrepid pbuilder
[21:08] <apachelogger> and can switch by copying the appropriate .pbuilderrc* file
[21:08] <Arby> apachelogger: where does the chroot base.tgz live?
[21:09] <Riddell> Arby: hmm, that'll be the problem with the development version
[21:09] <apachelogger>  /var/pbuilder/base.tgz or something
[21:09] <apachelogger> Arby: why do you ask?
[21:10] <Arby> so I can change it
[21:10]  * Arby is somewhat lost
[21:10] <Arby> this may take some time since I broke my hardy chroot
[21:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: if debootstrap isn't working there's not much he can do until the broken packages get fixed
[21:10] <Arby> currently making a new one
[21:11] <Riddell> Arby: if they doesn't work I can give you access to mine
[21:11] <a|wen> g'evening everyone
[21:11] <Arby> Riddell: I'm not hopeful but I'll let you know
[21:11] <Riddell> hi a|wen
[21:12] <a|wen> ScottK: had a chance to look at guidance?
[21:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: good point
[21:13]  * apachelogger blushes
[21:15]  * a|wen also has an intrepid pbuilder root, that he is willing to share, if anyone needs it
[21:30] <Serega> should I consider "C  config.guess" as a sync bug?
[21:31] <Riddell> Serega: I never care about config.guess or config.sub, it's just randomness from autotools as far as I can ever see
[21:31] <Riddell> go with what debian has generally
[21:31] <Serega> okay, thanks
[21:32] <a|wen> Serega: but be aware that config.sub/.guess is sometime regenerated when running debuild, so don't be confused if they keep showing up in the debdiffs you make
[21:38] <Riddell> a|wen: what's this about guidance?
[21:39] <a|wen> i have an update http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff i'm looking to get into intrepid ... so I can make an SRU with most of the changes from the ubuntu17+ubuntu18 packages together
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: oh yeah..... whats this about all apps using adept_batch moving to packageKit? did packagekit finaly get a deb backend?
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> @time
[21:44] <Riddell> a|wen: hmm, technical, that might be best for ScottK to review
[21:44] <Riddell> having said that, guidance frontends are going away in intrepid so the intrepid version probably doesn't matter so much
[21:44] <seele> Riddell: youre serious about this Kubuntu meeting.. youve sent two reminders today? (or maybe one was from yesterday)
[21:45] <a|wen> Riddell: yeah, i thought so too ... but i was told i needed it in intrepid before doing the SRU
[21:45] <ScottK> a|wen: I should be able to get a look at it today.
[21:45] <ScottK> Generally that's true.
[21:46] <ScottK> Riddell: If you say don't bother with Intrepid first, that's good enough for me.
[21:46] <a|wen> ScottK: great ... just wanted to catch you, if you had looked at it, and had some comments
[21:46] <ScottK> Not yet.
[21:46] <ScottK> Hopefully tonight.
[21:48] <a|wen> perfect
[21:48] <Riddell> the change to displayconfig/ldetect-lst/Cards+ might affect the backend, which might still exist in intrepid
[21:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the backend should die too.  That's where most of the Xorg trouble is located.
[21:49] <Riddell> ScottK: but projects keep using it
[21:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Bryce is planning on removing displayconfig-gtk, so that's one.  Envy has a good plan B.  I think Jockey is the major other user.
[21:50]  * ScottK checks
[21:51] <ScottK> Mythbuntu is the only other one.
[21:52] <a|wen> is there any place to check the status of autosyncs, and why they are probably not happening for a package?
[21:53] <Riddell> a|wen: there's a blacklist somewhere, otherwise things with ubuntu in the version number won't
[21:56] <a|wen> Riddell: last version has been synced from debian, so that is not the case ... hmm, strange
[22:07] <Riddell> a|wen: what are we talking about?
[22:08] <a|wen> Riddell: i'm waiting for qtoctave to autosync https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtoctave
[22:08]  * a|wen hopes to get rid of the lot of build-fails it throws at him every few days
[22:11] <Riddell> a|wen: it was only uploaded on sunday, I doubt anyone has run the mass sync since then
[22:13] <a|wen> Riddell: ahh, that explains it ... (was told somewhere that it happened once a day; that's why i started wondering)
[22:15] <Riddell> a|wen: what's your launchpad id?  I'll do it by hand
[22:15] <\sh> apachelogger: does your neon ppa really build packages?
[22:15] <apachelogger> yep
[22:15] <apachelogger> considering they don't break
[22:15] <apachelogger> like today
[22:15] <\sh> apachelogger: the last build was from may
[22:16] <apachelogger> amarok?
[22:16] <\sh> kde
[22:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:16] <\sh> amarok-nightly-kde?
[22:16] <apachelogger> because they moved phonon
[22:16] <\sh> duedeldi
[22:16] <apachelogger> so I turned it off
[22:16] <a|wen> Riddell: andreas-wenning
[22:16] <Serega> I cannot understand how did MoM decreased the ubuntu number? did it automatically recognized issues fixed in debian? http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/knetfilter/REPORT
[22:16] <apachelogger> as there will be restructuring with kde-nightly support
[22:16] <apachelogger> so I can do that all at once
[22:17] <Riddell> [BLACKLISTED] qtoctave_0.7.4+dfsg-1  goodness
[22:17] <\sh> Serega: hmmmm?
[22:17] <\sh> Serega: where is it decreased?
[22:18] <a|wen> Riddell: it was blacklisted?
[22:18] <Serega> \sh: was "ubuntu: 3.5.0-1ubuntu3" generated "knetfilter_3.5.0-1.1ubuntu1"
[22:18] <Serega> -2
[22:18]  * Serega panics
[22:18] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:18] <\sh> Serega: you should read about versions and revisions and debian
[22:18] <\sh> 1ubuntu3 < 1.1ubuntu1
[22:18] <Riddell> a|wen: comment says "# misc failures"
[22:19] <\sh> -1 was the former debian rev....1.1 is now the latest debian rev
[22:19] <Serega> \sh: aaah.... right. 3 doesn't mean number of patches
[22:19] <Serega> \sh: thanks
[22:19] <\sh> Serega: XubuntuY [22:20] <a|wen> Riddell: might be the build failures they are referring to (cmake 2.6 entered just before it was build messing everything up) ... that what was fixed in the -2
[22:20] <\sh> apachelogger: btw...did you see http://studio.suse.com/ ?
[22:20] <Riddell> a|wen: removing from blacklist
[22:21] <Serega> \sh: I have read some info about this, just was confused by large amount of diffs/archives/versions :)
[22:21] <\sh> apachelogger: another great service ... I really would like to see this happen for ubuntu
[22:21] <a|wen> Riddell: thanks a lot
[22:21] <apachelogger> \sh: yeah, I agree
[22:21] <nixternal> hrmm, is ktnef now ktnefviewer?
[22:22] <nixternal> set_target_properties(ktnef_bin PROPERTIES OUTPUT_NAME ktnefviewer)
[22:23] <nixternal> survey says: YES!
[22:23] <apachelogger> did anyone ever try kopete with telepathy support?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> apachelogger: no.... how do you do that? i'd love it..
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> compile option?
[22:24] <apachelogger> oh, I shouldn't have said something
[22:24] <apachelogger> d'oh
[22:24]  * coreymon77 hasnt really used kopete before at all, he stuck with amsn/gaim/mercury
[22:24] <apachelogger> good news is
[22:24] <apachelogger> it doesn't even compile
[22:25] <apachelogger> kopete + telepathy has been broken for quite some time.
[22:25] <apachelogger> nice
[22:26] <yuriy> seele: penguins = we?
[22:26] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[22:28] <Arby> Riddell: can I take you up on that offer of chroot access.
[22:28] <Arby> no luck getting intrepid pbuilder to work
[22:30] <seele> yuriy: Pittsburgh Penguins (hockey)
[22:30] <Riddell> ok, hang on
[22:31] <yuriy> seele: i know. though i just realized the pun there
[22:31]  * \sh goes to bed..
[22:31] <yuriy> i was rooting for the penguins too, it was a good game
[22:33] <Riddell> Arby: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:33] <Riddell> sudo chroot /media/hdd1/src/chroot/intrepid/
[22:34] <seele> yuriy: ah, hehe yeah.  plus their home colors are black which makes nice with my wardrobe :-)
[22:34] <Arby> Riddell: ssh is asking for a password?
[22:35] <Serega> guys, I have put down kde4.1 ppa urls to sources.lists and have performaed "apt-get update". I still run 4.0.3. where I am wrong?
[22:35] <Serega> && apt-get upgrade
[22:38] <yuriy> Serega: full-upgrade? (or dist-upgrade, whatever apt-get calls it)
[22:39] <Serega> yuriy: dist-upgrade? will I get intrepid by this action?
[22:39] <nixternal> no
[22:39] <Serega> thank you
[22:39] <_StefanS_> hello
[22:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: please sync ktoon, ubuntu changes are applied in debian
[22:43] <Riddell> ok
[22:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: done
[22:43] <apachelogger> thank you
[22:44] <yuriy> Serega: upgrade is a "safe" upgrade that only directly upgrades packages to newer versions, but won't remove or install any new packages, and thus sometimes completely ignores major updates
[22:44] <yuriy> though it should say that things have been kept back
[22:47] <Serega> yuriy: interesting why this action is called "dist"-upgrade
[22:47]  * a|wen suppose this is why they renamed it full-upgrade in aptitude
[22:48] <Serega> haha
[22:52] <Nightrose> hmmm anyone here who upgraded to beta 1?
[22:52] <Nightrose> i get missing icon icons in the application menu in kickoff for almost all of the categories
[22:53] <yuriy> Serega: because it is potentially DISTructive, unlike a regular upgrade which won't remove packages
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> Nightrose: kdebase-runtime-data-common I think is the packahe you need
[22:53] <Nightrose> thx
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> if not, swap data and common
[22:54] <Nightrose> ugh - kdf-kde4 has unmet dependencies...
[22:56] <yuriy> what's kdf?
[22:56] <yuriy> nvm
[22:57] <Nightrose> and it can't be installed since it wants to overwrite /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kwikdisk
[22:57] <Nightrose> which is also in kwikdisc-kde4
[22:57] <nosrednaekim> @time
[22:58] <yuriy> nixternal: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16996/
[22:58] <yuriy> what now?
[22:59] <mhb> so...
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> ahem... someone needs to kick the server people out :P
[23:00] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: Would you please link me again for your latest on Guidance?
[23:00] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: of course http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu18.debdiff
[23:00] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[23:00] <seele> mhb: #ubuntu-meeting
[23:01] <yuriy> good time for them to start a new topic..
[23:03] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's no drugs, it's loneliness
[23:23] <mhb> we all know that everyone that won't get in will feel bad afterwards. Let's jut move on.
[23:36]  * ScottK won't feel bad.  Avoid hurt feelings.  Don't pick me.
[23:36] <Serega> please annybody review my merge of knetfilter
[23:37] <mhb> those midnight meetings are the worst
[23:37] <Serega> cmon, guys, it must be easy merge :)
[23:37] <a|wen> Serega: everyone is in the middle of a kubuntu meeting...
[23:37] <mhb> I always get emotional (depressed) late at night
[23:38] <Serega> a|wen: ah... right
[23:38] <a|wen> Serega: i would try again, when life returns here ;)
[23:38]  * seele pats mhb on the head
[23:39] <Serega> apachelogger: I have seen you are between merges now? ;)
[23:39] <apachelogger> and in a metting :P
[23:39] <apachelogger> meeting even
[23:39] <Serega> doh :)
[23:40] <mhb> seele: you're not everyone's least favourite person for the council :o)
[23:40] <mhb> seele: I wouldn't even get on the list if I didn't object about not being there, after all.
[23:40] <seele> :(
[23:43] <ScottK> mhb: I'd be in favor of you being on the council.
[23:44] <ScottK> Personally I'd like to see someone who's closer to the users than I certainly am get on there.
[23:44] <mhb> users... users are overrated
[23:45] <mhb> every user thinks all the users need what he does
[23:45] <mhb> I've met users wanting KDE4 and I've met users never wanting KDE4...
[23:45] <ScottK> mhb: I agree.  That's why I don't advocate for a user ,but someone who deals with them.
[23:51] <apachelogger> Serega: so
[23:51] <apachelogger> where is the merge to revu?
[23:52] <Serega> apachelogger: thanks. http://kubuntu.pastebin.ca/1039053 it is knetfilter
[23:52] <Serega> apachelogger: http://merges.ubuntu.com/k/knetfilter/REPORT
[23:56] <mhb> I guess I'll excuse myself for the rest of the meeting.
[23:57] <mhb> I am feeling rather tired and not well.
[23:57] <mhb> Have fun.
[23:57] <nosrednaekim> bye mhb :)
[23:58] <Serega> mhb: bye
[23:58] <apachelogger> Serega: paste is br0ken
[23:58] <apachelogger> only includes changelog


[05:16] <ZedThou> just want to say I am most pleased with the latest release, it's been excellent
[06:38] <MistStlkr> I can not seem to find where to set the default mythvideo view mode in .23, someone care to hit me over the head with a clue bird?
[12:51] <stuarticus> Hi, anyone know why libimobiledevice isn't working on 10.04? It's one of the main reasons I upgraded...  Also how are file shares managed now? I may be being stupid, but I can't find the GUI that was there before.
[12:53] <stuarticus> By not working, I mean to say it doesn't recognise ot mount my iphone
[13:11] <stuarticus> An answer to either would enable to me to add tunes to my iphone as I could use my Ubuntu 10.04 to add tunes from the media server if I could get it to share the folder
[14:20] <stuarticus> could I just use a symlink to the folder in /home/public to share it?
[14:33] <rhpot1991> stuarticus: tried rhythmbox?
[14:50] <stuarticus> yes, use rhythmbox, but it's not mounting ipod
[14:51] <stuarticus> iphone
[15:08]  * rhpot1991 grumbles
[15:38] <qwebirc93858> i have a technotrend usb tv-stick.  Will this work with mythbunutu?
[15:42] <chiluk> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Video_capture_cards
[15:42] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Category:Video capture cards - MythTV
[15:44] <chiluk> I'm trying to find the hardware compatibility list on the v4l site now.
[15:45] <chiluk> search linuxtv.org for your card... I'm at work and can't do the leg-work for you.
[15:45] <Zinn> [linuxtv.org] LinuxTV.org - Television with Linux
[15:45] <chiluk> another thing to do would be to grep the v4l sources for your card
[15:48] <qwebirc93858> OK Thanks chiluk
[15:48] <qwebirc93858> I'll log off now :)
[15:48] <chiluk> why log off?
[15:48] <chiluk> stick around and tell others if you figured it out.
[15:50] <qwebirc93858> OK then, no probs i'm looking now
[16:16] <qwebirc93858> think i'll just give it a go http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YqIaa5Ffq34J:wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Capture_Cards+technotrend+tt+stick+and+linux&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a
[16:16] <Zinn> [webcache.googleusercontent.com] Capture Cards - LinuxMCE wiki
[19:32] <rockhound> on 9.10 mythbackend upstart script goes down after mysql ... this should not happen, as mythbackend depends on mysql ... known? fixed in 10.4?
[21:39] <liminal> ive installed mythtv on ubuntu lucid lynx 32bit
[21:40] <liminal> the backendsetup can not ping the mysql database setup
[21:40] <liminal> ive sucessfully installed mythtv on ibex in the past so im not sure what im doing wrong


[00:11] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, hi
[00:11] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, hello
[00:11] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, who could I talk to about the webapps design ?
[00:12] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, design or implementation?
[00:13] <bcurtiswx> not sure, it's about getting rid of the chromium icon in the side bar when it's only webapps loaded
[00:14] <robert_ancell> bcurtiswx, did you file a bug? I think racarr worked on it but I don't know a lot of details about the project
[00:14] <bcurtiswx> robert_ancell, not yet, figured I'd chat with someone before.
[01:48] <desrt> robert_ancell: you get a chance to play with those USB things yet, or waiting for logind?
[01:48] <robert_ancell> desrt, I turned on on and got video through it but it really needs logind/udev to make them work properly
[01:50] <desrt> makes sense
[01:50] <desrt> hopefully soon
[01:50]  * desrt is hearing reports that gnome-shell under llvmpipe is hilariously fast these days
[01:51] <desrt> would be really nice to see it on one of those
[02:39] <duflu> desrt: Compiz under llvmpipe isn't too bad either. But Unity needs some improving yet
[02:49] <desrt> duflu: apparently ajax is actively improving llvmpipe as well
[02:50] <duflu> desrt: ajax is a handle I assume? :)
[02:58] <desrt> ya :p
[02:58] <desrt> adam jackson
[02:58] <desrt> x hacker extraordinare
[03:00] <duflu> desrt: Yeah I googled
[03:02] <duflu> desrt: Weirdly, compiz llvmpipe performance used to be better before we "supported" it... bug 1025586
[03:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1025586 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[0.9.8 r3110 regression] [LLVMpipe] Dragging windows around is much slower with compiz 0.9.8 than 0.9.7 (using LLVMpipe)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1025586
[03:02] <duflu> Though back then there were hideous graphical glitches too
[03:04] <Sarvatt> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/mesa.git/tree/mesa-8.0-llvmpipe-shmget.patch not being in upstream mesa doesn't help :)
[03:05] <duflu> Sarvatt: Interesting. Why not upstream?
[04:44] <mfisch> robert_ancell: ping
[04:44] <robert_ancell> mfisch, hello
[04:44] <mfisch> robert_ancell: I never did get bzr merge-upstream to work for curl, but I did the update
[04:45] <mfisch> robert_ancell: the reviewer suggested that I should just merge from debian experimental instead, which makes sense
[04:46] <robert_ancell> yeah, they debian updated
[04:46] <mfisch> I think I missed the update or it happened after I started
[04:47] <robert_ancell> mfisch, I didn't see it updated until you had finished. It can be guess work to tell if debian is keeping up to date or now
[04:47] <robert_ancell> not
[04:47] <mfisch> so we have ubuntu patches still, so I need to see what debian did
[04:47] <mfisch> we can't just copy theirs in
[04:49] <robert_ancell> mfisch, oh yeah, you have to merge with them
[05:59] <didrocks> good morning
[06:01] <RAOF> Yo yo didrocks yo!
[06:01] <didrocks> hey RAOF!
[08:35] <chrisccoulson_> good morning everyone
[08:36] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson_, how are you?
[08:36] <chrisccoulson_> wow, only 2 work days left!#
[08:36] <chrisccoulson_> hi didrocks, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:36] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: I've thanksfully more than 2 work days left (seeing the amount of work remaining ;))
[08:36] <didrocks> but good, it's light festival in my city starting tonight!
[08:38] <didrocks> if you want to see last year teaser: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PqBQMeUZP0 :)
[08:39]  * duflu moves to Lyon
[08:39] <didrocks> ;)
[08:40] <duflu> There's /too much/ daylight in Perth. Along with the heat it's repressing
[08:40] <duflu> Though today is cool
[08:40] <didrocks> duflu: this year, the light festival will maybe happen under snow (snowing lightly, but snowing today) :)
[08:41] <didrocks> will be fun in the streets, during the week-end in particular, there are an estimation of 4 millions people coming just for the festival (but hopefully it's across the city)
[08:41] <pitti> Good morning
[08:41] <chrisccoulson_> hmm, my firefox nightlies have been failing because i added a xpi file to the packaging and forgot to add it to debian/source/include-binaries
[08:41] <chrisccoulson_> hi pitti
[08:41] <duflu> didrocks: You win. We had a quick taste of Summer the other day. 37 degrees. That will soon become normal...
[08:41] <didrocks> hey pitti :)
[08:41] <didrocks> duflu: heh! ;)
[08:43] <chrisccoulson_> didrocks, the lights look quite nice ;)
[08:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson_: they really are :) Also there is the tradition of every citizen putting some small lamps next to their windows the 8 of December
[08:45]  * didrocks refers to http://timoetnous.unblog.fr/files/2009/12/fetelumiere2009lumignon.jpg
[08:46] <didrocks> basically, there are some history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festival_of_Lights_(Lyon)), but for 10 years, it's a real city-size events :)
[09:12] <xclaesse> would be great if taping "play" multimedia key starts rhythmbox in background
[09:13] <xclaesse> atm it works only  if I first lauch rb manually
[09:31] <seb128> xclaesse, right, that's a gnome-settings-daemon upstream wishlist (or rhythmbox one) ... the keybinding makes g-s-d send a dbus signal, but since rhythmbox is not running...
[09:31] <seb128> xclaesse, seems like rb should be dbus activated when that happens
[09:32] <seb128> not sure how the sound indicator does it because it works there, if you click play it will start rb and play
[09:32] <xclaesse> seb128, do you have a bug # for that?
[09:33] <xclaesse> seb128, hm good point about sound indicator
[09:33] <xclaesse> it present the rb window though, I personally would let it hidden
[09:34] <seb128> xclaesse, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687831
[09:34] <ubot2> Gnome bug 687831 in media-keys "Pressing "play" should launch the last used media player" [Normal,New]
[09:34] <xclaesse> it's not really consistent, if I start rb, play, close window, then pause. Then I click play again in the indicator it won't show the window...
[09:35] <seb128> xclaesse, that's a good point, I guess that's a rb bug, it always start by showing it's ui rather than restoring its previous state
[09:35]  * xclaesse sees rb a bit like empathy: a UI for a service that runs on background
[09:35] <seb128> xclaesse, yeah, but rb doesn't have clean backend separation :p
[09:36] <xclaesse> I know, it's already an ubuntu specific patch that you can close the window and still play music
[09:40]  * didrocks agrees on the service view
[09:40] <didrocks> IIRC, I did an UDS session some years ago about those :)
[09:44] <xclaesse> didrocks, seb128: what's the package for the music indicator?
[09:44] <didrocks> indicator-sound
[09:44] <xclaesse> thx
[09:49] <psivaa> didrocks: just to let you know that the live-session compiz crash is still occurring with compiz: 1:0.9.9~daily12.12.05 and unity: 6.12.0daily12.12.05
[09:49] <didrocks> psivaa: ah ok, can you report the latest stacktrace please?
[09:49] <didrocks> psivaa: it will be easier to debug that way
[09:50] <didrocks> psivaa: then, just ping me with the bug # please, I'll add to the list :)
[09:50] <psivaa> didrocks: ack
[09:50] <didrocks> thanks :)
[09:52] <xclaesse> didrocks, seb128: reported that one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1087186
[09:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1087186 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) ""play" when rb is not running should not popup its window" [Undecided,New]
[09:52] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[09:54] <didrocks> psivaa: there is maybe a fix in the ppa soon, but IIRC, you had trouble testing with that, right?
[09:54] <didrocks> (someone not on the distro)
[09:54] <psivaa> didrocks: yes, it's not proving easy testing live session in persistent mode with VMs
[09:55] <didrocks> psivaa: will be good to see why, at least, that will enable to test the potential fix
[09:55] <didrocks> or workaround rather
[09:58] <psivaa> well even with today's images doing a pkill -9 X solves the issue
[13:03] <cyphermox> good morning
[13:16] <mdeslaur> didrocks: uhm, whatever you described in bug 1037164 sounds like a completely different issue to me...
[13:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1037164 in compiz (Ubuntu Quantal) "Clicking on semi-maximized windows in a different workspace produce unexpected results" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037164
[13:17] <mdeslaur> didrocks: the original bug had nothing to do with semi-maximized windows
[13:17] <didrocks> mdeslaur: duflu pointed that it should be the same root cause
[13:17] <mdeslaur> hrm, ok then
[13:17] <didrocks> when I asked for filing a different one, he just asked me to comment on it
[14:34] <kenvandine> didrocks, is dee set to autoland?
[14:35] <didrocks> kenvandine: not yet for the unity release stack
[14:35] <didrocks> until autopilot is on
[14:35] <kenvandine> ok, mind if i do a manual upload of dee?  it is completely broken right now for python3
[14:35] <kenvandine> my branch has been merged into trunk
[14:39] <psivaa> hello, bug 1080674 is starting to impact more people and it does not appear to be kernel related
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080674 in xserver-xorg-video-cirrus (Ubuntu) "[QEMU] Corrupted desktop screen for raring desktop installation in QEMU guest (Cirrus graphics)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080674
[14:40] <psivaa> it would be helpful to know if there will be a fix soon
[14:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh no worry at all :)
[14:45] <didrocks> kenvandine: just ensure it's merged upstream then
[14:45] <kenvandine> will do
[14:46] <didrocks> kenvandine: speaking of ensuring… :) https://code.launchpad.net/~ps-jenkins/signon-keyring-extension/latestsnapshot/+merge/138380
[14:46] <didrocks> can you harrass the jenkins master so that it's merged
[14:46] <didrocks> ?
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, chrome doesn't support JS proxies? :/
[14:46] <didrocks> I tried to reapprove it when I saw the PASS but nothing, looking at the trace, it's a jenkins issue
[14:46] <kenvandine> sure
[14:47] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:47] <kenvandine> i really need to setup vpn so i can see those logs
[14:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: you will need it for the daily build as well :)
[15:08] <ricotz> didrocks, hi
[15:08] <ricotz> didrocks, i guess a merge-proposal is needed even for tiny things? http://paste.debian.net/plain/214732
[15:09] <ricotz> didrocks, btw any plans to enable the git/vapi build for bamf package?
[15:09] <ricotz> s/git/gir
[15:22] <kenvandine> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/dee/1.2.0daily12.12.06-0ubuntu1/+merge/138480
[15:23] <didrocks> ricotz: oh yeah, do you want to submit that upstream?( sorry in meetings)
[15:23] <didrocks> ricotz: for the bamf one, I need to check if gir/vapi are working, back on the time, they were not perfect at all :)
[15:23] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh, you used the daily notation! :)
[15:23] <kenvandine> i had to
[15:23] <didrocks> had to?
[15:24] <didrocks> oh
[15:24] <didrocks> --split
[15:24] <didrocks> so same tarball :)
[15:24] <kenvandine> 1.2.0daily12.12.05-0ubuntu1 is > 1.2.0baily12.12.06-0ubuntu1
[15:24] <kenvandine> whoops
[15:24] <kenvandine> 1.2.0daily12.12.05-0ubuntu1 is > 1.2.0bzr12.12.06-0ubuntu1
[15:24] <didrocks> yeah, you couldn't use 1.2.0daily12.12.05-0ubuntu2 because of --split
[15:24] <kenvandine> ah, yeah that too
[15:25] <didrocks> ahah, you didn't thought about it! I see ;)
[15:25] <didrocks> kenvandine: btw, approved :)
[15:25] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:25] <kenvandine> thx
[15:27] <didrocks> kenvandine: on the signon thing: if you see that in let's say, 4 hours, it's not getting merged, can you do it manually?
[15:27] <didrocks> kenvandine: it will block the next daily only if anything has to be pushed otherwise
[15:27] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:27] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:27] <kenvandine> i am not sure where rvr is
[15:27] <didrocks> kenvandine: you can still ask to fghinter if he's not here today
[16:00] <ricotz> didrocks, i submitted some introspection fixes in the past and using the bamf vapi myself
[16:01] <didrocks> ricotz: oh good, a bzr branch around for it? :)
[16:01] <ricotz> so it seems fine to have it built i think
[16:01] <ricotz> didrocks, currently not
[16:01]  * didrocks will review it once ready :)
[16:01] <ricotz> didrocks, this small fix is though
[16:02] <didrocks> ricotz: do you have a link to the merge proposal? I didn't see it
[16:02] <ricotz> didrocks, didnt made one yet, since it is pretty minor, will do right away
[16:03] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:06] <ricotz> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~ricotz/bamf/annotation-fix/+merge/138493
[16:06] <didrocks> ricotz: thanks! mterry ^
[16:07] <mterry> looking
[16:11] <ricotz> mterry, also using uint64 doesnt seems appropriate http://paste.debian.net/plain/214748
[16:11] <ricotz> not sure if this is actually used and would be considered a break
[16:12] <mterry> ricotz, well, I'm slightly confused.  the gdk API seems to treat them as pointers, where something as large as 64 would make some sense if we're being forced to be explicit.  But other uses of xid (like over dbus) typically define them as 32
[16:12] <mterry> ricotz, so I'm assuming that 32 is appropriate
[16:12] <ricotz> mterry, yeah tabsource also uses uint32
[16:14] <dobey> xids should be 32bit everywhere in gdk afaik
[16:19] <ricotz> mterry, i guess you need to reapprove due the missing commit message
[16:20] <mterry> ricotz, done
[16:21] <Sweetshark> ricotz: did you see 3.6.4 in the libreoffice ppa btw?
[16:22] <ricotz> Sweetshark, oh, not yet, i havent looked lately
[16:24] <ricotz> Sweetshark, are those the *same* tarballs as rc3?
[16:24] <Sweetshark> ricotz: I hope not!
[16:25] <ricotz> no you had a repack in your ppa irc
[16:25] <ricotz> so those are same again now
[16:25] <ricotz> nevermind i will take a look later
[16:25] <mterry> Sweetshark, what is the difference between bug 1034558 and bug 1034560 ?
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1034558 in pentaho-reporting-flow-engine (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libbase-java, libsac-java, libxml-java, libflute-java, libpentaho-reporting-flow-engine-java, liblayout-java" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034558
[16:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1034560 in libloader (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libloader-java, libformula-java, librepository-java, libfonts-java, libserializer-java " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1034560
[16:25] <mterry> They both seem to be for the same proximate cause of the report builder
[16:26] <Sweetshark> desrt: can you comment on bug 1086868 comment 7? I assume gimp doesnt use GMenuModel yet, and would cause the same additional deps once it does, right?
[16:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1086868 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "No global menu in Plasma (KDE) session in Raring" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086868
[16:27] <Sweetshark> mterry: yes. IIRC they were split after a quick chat with seb128 along the lines of 'no more than ~5 packages on one bug' ...
[16:28] <desrt> Sweetshark: i don't understand the question
[16:28] <mterry> Sweetshark, ok, if that's all no biggie.  I don't mind giant bugs if they are just MIRs, but two bugs isn't a problem either  :)
[16:28] <desrt> what does this have to do with GIMP?
[16:28] <desrt> oh.  i see.
[16:28] <desrt> GIMP is still using the dbusmenu 'sucker' approach
[16:29] <desrt> i guess the KDE plasma stuff does not speak GMenuModel yet
[16:29] <Sweetshark> desrt: hrhr, is 'sucker' the official marketing term?
[16:29] <desrt> Sweetshark: it's a fairly accurate description :)
[16:31] <Sweetshark> desrt: hmm, thats not the only issue. if libreoffice is running in on a kde-desktop, it will mimic kde (and use some native kde file pickers etc.). same for gtk. and the menumodel is in the -gtk mimicing code (and thats a Good Thing(tm)).
[16:33] <Sweetshark> desrt: so to get the menu (even if they would be supported by plasma) one would need to teach libreoffice to use the gtk mimicking even on kde. As gtk is themed as qt on kde it shouldnt be too much of an issue (except for the few truely native dialogs like file chooser/print).
[16:34] <desrt> i think the kde plasma thingy just needs to speak gmenumodel
[16:34] <desrt> one way or another it's going to have to do that eventually
[16:34] <desrt> otherwise people are going to be upset when GIMP stops working next
[16:35] <desrt> (attente is working now on making that a reality)
[16:38] <Sweetshark> desrt: yep. still, even if plasma knows about GMenuModel, one would need to tweak libreoffice to default to the -gtk plugin (as that plugin is the only one which has the GMenuModel stuff) and thereby get native gtk-filepickers instead of qt-filepickers. whatever, they are better anyway.
[16:39] <Sweetshark> (or plumb the gmenumodel stuff into the -kde plugin too)
[16:44] <seb128> didrocks, mterry: can we get https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/unity-lens-music/gstreamer1.0/+merge/134310 reviewed/merged, we got totem/rb/etc using gst1
[16:47] <didrocks> mterry: just a note when you review it, I think debian/changelog should be bumped as there is a bump in configure.ac
[16:47] <didrocks> hum, ignore me :)
[16:47]  * didrocks needs coffee
[16:48] <didrocks> but I still think that debian/changelog will conflict once merged (as we did a daily release)
[16:48] <mterry> didrocks, seb128: seems harmless from a quick review.  will build and test.
[16:48] <mterry> didrocks, yar
[16:48] <seb128> mterry, thanks
[16:48] <didrocks> mterry: I'm a little bit afraid of what bzr merge is doing, I think it's duplicating the changelog in that case
[16:49]  * didrocks just does a trial out of curiousity
[16:49] <didrocks> ah no, conflict, good :)
[16:49] <didrocks> but still weird result of the 3 way merge :)
[16:57] <didrocks> seb128: it seems that upstream a-l-m isn't active anymore, do you know who to contact for https://code.launchpad.net/~malizor/activity-log-manager/fix-967150/+merge/125556 ?
[17:05] <seb128> didrocks, we should try to contact seif to see if we can hand us the project or add us as admins
[17:05] <didrocks> yeah
[17:05] <seb128> didrocks, do you want to do it or should I?
[17:05] <didrocks> seb128: if you have time tomorrow, please do it, if not, just hand it over to me for next week :)
[17:06] <seb128> didrocks, ok, writing an email so it's done
[17:06] <didrocks> seb128: great! :)
[17:54] <pitti> seb128: Monsieur! est-ce que tu as une minute?
[17:55] <seb128> pitti, salut, oui
[17:55] <pitti> seb128: we are just discussing crashes on errors.u.c. again, and wondering how we can eventually stop sending everything to both daisy and LP
[17:56] <pitti> seb128: so AFAIUI, your (and mine) main concern about this was that for some problems we need an interactive communication channel with the reporter, right?
[17:56] <seb128> yes
[17:56] <pitti> seb128: but in the general case, we want crashes to be on errors.u.c, and not upload everything twice
[17:56] <seb128> well, "interactive" would be great
[17:56] <pitti> seb128: so how about this:
[17:57] <seb128> but a minimal step would be to let users write a descriptions
[17:57] <seb128> so we could go through the descriptions to get infos
[17:57] <seb128> e.g firefox is doing that
[17:57] <pitti> seb128: problem with descriptions is that we'll get tons of them, and nobody would read them all
[17:57] <seb128> well, it's often useful
[17:57] <pitti> seb128: so the idea that we have is this:
[17:57] <pitti> - apport shows the crash
[17:57] <pitti> - apport asks daisy "do you know about this problem"
[17:57] <seb128> you would go through 15 and see "ok, quite some of those people are speaking about login with another user"
[17:58] <seb128> pitti, (sorry, I'm reading now)
[17:58] <pitti> - daisy then replies with "no", "yes", or "yes, and a developer requested an LP bug"
[17:58] <pitti> seb128: as part of the general "problem specific hooks" (this will be a checkbox)
[17:59] <pitti> and as soon as the next reporter actually does submit an LP bug, the requestor gets a notificatoin pointing to the new bug
[17:59] <pitti> the bug will have a link to the details on errors and the crash signature
[17:59] <pitti> and once such a bug exists, daisy would stop requesting further bugs
[17:59] <seb128> pitti, that would work for me I think, it means we can engage a conversation for the bugs we care about and cut the noise for the others
[17:59] <pitti> this gives us the general communication channel for the stuff where we want it
[18:00] <seb128> pitti, yeah, +1 from me ;-)
[18:00] <pitti> and at the same time allows us to (1) avoid the noise nobody looks at, and (2) mothball our Launchpad retracers
[18:00] <pitti> seb128: and for the cases where we can collect additional infos noninteractively we can use the new "for the next n times run this additional hook" feature
[18:01] <seb128> pitti, yeah, that seems great to me
[18:01] <pitti> très bien!
[18:02]  * pitti te donne une accolade
[18:02] <seb128> pitti, but don't turn the launchpad side off before the feature is added to e.u.c :p
[18:02]  * seb128 donee une accolade à pitti en retour
[18:02] <seb128> "donne" even
[18:21] <cyphermox> seb128: yo
[18:21] <cyphermox> have you seen the new upload of evolution-indicator in the queue?
[18:22] <cyphermox> nevermind, I fail
[18:22] <cyphermox> thanks ;)
[18:23] <seb128> cyphermox, yw ;-)
[20:32] <Sweetshark> ricotz: https://skyfromme.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/building-libreoffice-easily-killing-an-urban-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-697 <- people are really pushy to get libreoffice backports. you should suggest selling it as an premium enterprise service to him ...
[20:34] <micahg> Sweetshark: I was going to ask if you or ricotz have any interest in official (-backports) backports for libreoffice
[20:38] <Sweetshark> micahg: I wouldnt be able to handle that on current workload. Also IMHO this is something that is a perfect reason to become an ubuntu advantage customer, isnt it?
[20:38] <micahg> Sweetshark: nope
[20:38] <jbicha> do new LO releases require updated dependencies though?
[20:39] <ricotz> Sweetshark, lol, i guess he should be happy with 3.5.7, but i will look at getting 3.6.4 for precise, but no eta yet
[20:39] <micahg> some new deps aren't a problem, it depends how far down the stack it goes on whether or not the testing will be onerous
[20:40] <ricotz> there are some deps like cmis which needs to be updated
[20:41] <micahg> libreoffice is the only rdep, no problem :)
[20:41] <ricotz> but it is pretty much backportable, i will dare to look into 3.6.4 for lucid too though
[20:41] <jbicha> micahg: backports can depend on other backports now?
[20:42] <micahg> jbicha: umm, well, when infinity fixes it...(if it's a new source/binary, then yes right now)
[20:42] <micahg> s/source//
[20:44] <Sweetshark> micahg: well, if its not, we are definitely understaffed for libreoffice ;>
[20:44] <ricotz> micahg, for the ppa builds i like backporting as much as possible of the closer deps
[20:44] <ricotz> Sweetshark, right
[20:45] <micahg> ricotz: yeah, well, the more you backport, the more stuff you have to test when it's official
[20:45] <Sweetshark> jbicha: depends. you can switch most of the deps from an external version to an internal one, but that brings its own set of problems.
[20:46] <ricotz> micahg, yeah :\, that is why i like the ppa way
[20:46] <micahg> ricotz: right, but that's less discoverable :)
[20:46] <micahg> with backports on by default now, it would be nice for people to have an option in software center for a newer version
[20:47] <ricotz> right
[20:47] <jbicha> we needs a Trusted PPA program where good official PPAs like LO & the Mozilla Beta PPA can be highlighted
[20:48] <Sweetshark> micahg: but backports would also mean doing ARM in addition. the libreoffice PPA is amd64/i386 only. that will again make a huge difference.
[20:48] <mlankhorst> trust is that which can betray you. :P
[20:49] <ricotz> Sweetshark, adding arm support to the ppa is possible though
[20:49] <micahg> Sweetshark: not sure what you mean by "doing ARM", you get ARM builds for free with an official backport
[20:50] <micahg> anyways, just wanted to throw it out there, it's definitely optional from my perspective
[20:55] <Sweetshark> micahg: note that libreoffice does ~8 (plus 3-4 prereleases) microreleases per cycles, multiply by at least 3 supported releases (dev-release, last non-LTS, last LTS). you have ~30 releases (when not backporting the prereleases everywhere). A full LO release takes _at_ least 1 day when done right (create tarballs, build locally, tested locally, dput to ppa, build in ppa, build in ppa again because of lack of fs-space, user testing in p
[20:56] <micahg> Sweetshark: -backports backports are ideally straight backports from a later series, so it should be a matter of testing that everything builds/installs/runs
[20:56] <micahg> Sweetshark: and there's no saying that you have to backport every release
[20:58] <Sweetshark> a cycle has ~115 workdays. at one day per release its some 25% of worktime, at three its 75% of worktime -- given that you also have som 25% for administration, coordination, conferences, that is a full commitment.
[20:59] <micahg> Sweetshark: it wasn't a worktime request...
[20:59] <Sweetshark> under the unrealistic assumption that there is nothing to be done really on the packaging itself etc. ....
[21:00] <Sweetshark> micahg: sure ;) -- its just that alot has changed since OOo with their sleepy one major, one minor release per year ;)
[21:01] <Sweetshark> micahg: libreoffice ARM builds are never 'for free' ;)
[21:02] <micahg> Sweetshark: TBH, I don't see the connection, I was just wondering if you or ricotz considered official backports, that's all, I'm aware of the backports PPA and since the topic was brought up, I figured to mention it
[21:08] <Sweetshark> micahg: which connection? anyway: I would only consider backports, if I had enough wiggle room to ensure to regularly update them. I dont see that at all now. If ricotz is volunteering, kudos to him, but it did not exactly sound like that currently.
[21:10] <micahg> Sweetshark: connection between # of releases and backports. anyways, it's voluntary, just wanted to plant the seed in case someone wanted to make it happen