[06:22] <Dasnipa`> it saves the pass for ~15 mins
[06:22] <Dasnipa`> and i imagine theres a way to force the 'unsaving' of it sooner
[06:22] <jaawood> Dasnipa`, do you know if there is any way to change how long it saves the password for?
[06:22] <Rockett18> haha
[06:22] <Dasnipa`> ^
[06:24] <Update> who cares about passwords
[06:24] <Update> ots a open community FCOL
[06:24] <Update> its a open community FCOL
[06:25] <Update> does O goes into FCOL ?
[06:30] <zephar> hi all
[06:30] <zephar> im new to linux, but really enjoying it so far =)
[06:30] <raphink> :)
[06:30] <raphink> good news :)
[06:32] <zephar> been trying get a couple thigns answered and donno if im typing it confusing on the forums or im just to impatient with excitment as really over years have enjoyed using alternatives to windows
[06:32] <zephar> my first problem is im trying to find a way to use shoutcase reliably
[06:33] <zephar> er shoutcast rofl
[06:34] <zephar> sorry im waking up. ive tried several and seem work ok with the audio but not going to far with video
[06:34] <zephar> is there a way to update the codecs?
[06:35] <_xuniL> vlc player should have the codecs you whant....
[06:36] <zephar> so far vlc will open everthing, but
[06:37] <zephar> VP6.2
[06:37] <zephar> is VP6.2 supported quite yet in linux?
[06:38] <manveru> what is VP6.2?
[06:38] <zephar> its a video codec
[06:39] <zephar> one sec ill get you a link
[06:39] <manveru> np, i speak google
[06:39] <manveru> wait a second
[06:40] <zephar> ok thanx
[06:43] <manveru> looks like some basic support exists...
[06:43] <zephar> cool
[06:43] <zephar> how do I install it?
[06:44] <zephar> i typed in adept vp6 but nothign comes up ;(
[06:44] <ilba7r> which you recommend kde-desktop or kubuntu-desktop what is the difference?
[06:44] <manveru> well, it is not for ubuntu yet afaik
[06:44] <manveru> it is integrated in medialinux
[06:45] <manveru> ilba7r: i suggest you use kubuntu-desktop - it should have all dependencies that you might need
[06:45] <zephar> ok so if I download medialinux***.deb i can get it that waT?
[06:45] <manveru> no
[06:45] <ilba7r> ok will try it manveru
[06:45] <manveru> medialinux is a distribution for DSPs
[06:45] <ilba7r> thanx
[06:45] <manveru> np
[06:46] <zephar> KUBUNTU seems realyly nice liba7r i went through several flavors and im stuck here now=)
[06:46] <ilba7r> installing it now zephar
[06:46] <manveru> zephar: http://distrowatch.com/medialinux
[06:47] <manveru> the codecs for vp6 are properitary - so i guess it will take some time until we see it widely used
[06:48] <angelusco> #kubuntu-es
[06:48] <angelusco> heyall
[06:48] <zephar> hmmm
[06:49] <zephar> thanx for your help manveru.
[06:49] <zephar> one more quest dont mind there are some files in the debain repository i need that are not part of the universe ones in kubuntu is there an automated way of getting em just like how i use adept? do i install another program or add a url?
[06:55] <angelusco> KaoticEvil, are u there ?
[07:01] <zephar> theres some debian packages I want whats easiest way to install those do i have to install them by hand or is there an automatred way like how you use adept?
[07:01] <Riddell> zephar: which packages?
[07:02] <angelusco> KaoticEvil, are u there ?
[07:02] <zephar> one example would be mplayer
[07:02] <zephar> theres several games like open civ open tty
[07:02] <Kinomees> what to do with .themerc files ?
[07:03] <Riddell> zephar: mplayer is in multiverse
[07:03] <frank23> zephar: never install packages from debian repositories. there are basically all in universe and multiverse
[07:04] <pollerfume> I tried both mplayer from source and mplayer in mulitverse: the mplayer in the repos has some glitches
[07:04] <manveru> Kinomees: where did you get them?
[07:06] <manveru> Kinomees: these are kde-themes most definitly
[07:06] <Kinomees> yes but how to apply them
[07:06] <Kinomees> ?
[07:06] <manveru> Kinomees: start kcontrol
[07:06] <zephar> i wan open civ though and open tty and there not in adept just double checked shoudl I go to there websites then and installl them that way?
[07:07] <Kinomees> k
[07:07] <manveru> Kinomees: and in the appearance - there should be a styles-entry
[07:07] <manveru> Kinomees: you can add new themes there, just click the 'add theme' button
[07:07] <manveru> Kinomees: not sure these names are all fitting for the english version - just got the german here
[07:08] <Kinomees> it will not recognise that kind of file
[07:08] <manveru> wait a second
[07:08] <manveru> Kinomees: what theme do you havE?
[07:09] <rikva> I have an ext3 disk in my fstab with options "auto,user". I can mount it as user, but I have no write rights. What to do?
[07:09] <Kinomees> green on black
[07:10] <Kinomees> got it from kde-look.org
[07:10] <manveru> Kinomees: no, i mean the one you want to add
[07:10] <manveru> Kinomees: let me try it
[07:11] <manveru> Kinomees: is it a color-style?
[07:12] <Kinomees> no it is a theme/style from www.kde-look.org
[07:12] <manveru> Kinomees: version 1 or 2?
[07:12] <Kinomees> 1
[07:13] <manveru> Kinomees: well, both are for older kde-versions
[07:13] <manveru> Kinomees: there is no guarantee they will work
[07:14] <Kinomees> ok tnx
[07:14] <manveru> Kinomees: i'll not try it, because i will lose my current style then :)
[07:14] <manveru> Kinomees: but i can try to open it
[07:19] <manveru> Kinomees: i guess i have the solution
[07:20] <manveru> do a 'locate *.themerc'
[07:33] <wasp_ems> sp@kubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install j2re1.4
[07:33] <wasp_ems> Reading package lists... Done
[07:33] <wasp_ems> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:33] <wasp_ems> Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:33] <wasp_ems> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:33] <wasp_ems> is only available from another source
[07:33] <wasp_ems> E: Package j2re1.4 has no installation candidate
[07:33] <wasp_ems> wasp@kubuntu:~$
[07:39] <wasp_ems> hello
[07:40] <wasp_ems> i am trying to access my windows partition but i cant...the file which accesses it is locked...anyone know what i can do?
[07:42] <wasp_ems> can u help me on how to mount windows partition?
[07:43] <jaawood> are you looking to read and write, or just read?
[07:43] <jaawood> i would recommend only reading
[07:43] <wasp_ems> for now just read
[07:44] <jaawood> i borrowed this from the unofficial ubuntu 5.04 guide, but it works fine for newer versions of kubuntu and ubuntu
[07:45] <jaawood> sudo mount /dev/<partition> /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[07:45] <jaawood> replacing <partition> with your windows partition
[07:45] <wasp_ems> ok
[07:45] <jaawood> you don't necessarily have to mount it in /media/windows
[07:46] <jaawood> adn you will probably have to create that directory with $sudo mkdir /media/windows
[07:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:47] <wasp_ems> mmm command not found
[07:48] <jaawood> which command?
[07:48] <wasp_ems> either mounting either mkdir
[07:48] <adnan> how i can install mIRC or bx ? i dont like this irc chat client
[07:48] <adnan> ;/
[07:50] <manveru> adnan: there are lots of clients out there
[07:50] <jaawood> wasp_ems, you should definitely have mount and mkdir, they come standard with all distributions
[07:51] <manveru> adnan: bx == bitchX?
[07:51] <jaawood> what exactly did you enter into the terminal?
[07:51] <wasp_ems> sudo mount/dev/hda1/media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222
[07:52] <adnan> manveru:  yes
[07:52] <adnan> can i install it ?
[07:52] <manveru> adnan: sure...
[07:52] <adnan> how ?
[07:52] <manveru> adnan: only wonder what is better in bitchx but it's a matter of taste
[07:53] <manveru> 'sudo apt-get install bitchx'
[07:53] <morrow> wasp_ems: mount /dev... (missing space)
[07:53] <adnan> manveru:  can i pm you?
[07:53] <manveru> adnan: sure
[07:53] <jaawood> wasp_ems, add spaces between 'mount' and '/dev/hda1' and also between '/dev/hda1' and '/media/windows'
[07:54] <adnan> manveru:  icant pm u.. i'm not registered
[07:54] <manveru> let's go to #adnan
[07:54] <wasp_ems> ok..it does that but how do i create the directory?
[07:55] <jaawood> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[07:55] <skudkiller> someone can help me about "sudo"
[07:56] <wasp_ems> mmm ok...but how do i delete a file from there...fucked it up
[07:56] <KaoticEvil> ubotu:  tell skudkiller about sudo
[07:56] <wasp_ems> how can i delete a directory from media?
[07:56] <jaawood> sudo rmdir /media/windows
[07:57] <jaawood> but make sure your drive isn't mounted
[07:58] <wasp_ems> sudo mount/dev/hda1/media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222
[07:58] <wasp_ems> oups
[07:58] <wasp_ems> sudo mount /dev/hda1/ media/windows/ -t ntfs=utf8,unmask=0222
[07:58] <wasp_ems> mount: mount point media/windows/ does not exist
[07:59] <jaawood> you need to add a '/' before 'media/windows'
[08:00] <wasp_ems> mount: unknown filesystem type 'unmask=0222'
[08:00] <wasp_ems> ok
[08:00] <jaawood> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[08:00] <jaawood> copy that exactly
[08:02] <wasp_ems> check private
[08:21] <wasp_ems> where is the contol center????????????????
[08:22] <wasp_ems> where is the splash screen option?
[08:26] <egats> hi wasp_ems
[08:26] <egats> what seems to be the problem?
[08:29] <Kyaneos> hi
[08:32] <BlankC> wasp_ems: splash is part of /boot/grub/menu.lst its the option called splash
[08:46] <wasp_ems> hello egats...i actually want to change my splash picture
[08:48] <wasp_ems> does any one know where the setting for splash screens is?
[08:50] <thoreauputic> at a guess, in kdm_config
[08:50] <thoreauputic> probably in kcontrol somewhere
[08:50] <wasp_ems> i cant find kcontol though
[08:51] <egats> try the desktop module :)
[08:51] <libben> kcontrol == system settings wasp_ems [18:46]  <manveru> zephar: http://distrowatch.com/medialinux
[08:52] <manveru> ?
[08:52] <manveru> kcontrol == kcontrol
[08:53] <egats> KMenu-->System Settings-->Desktop-->Splash Screen
[08:54] <wasp_ems> found it...thanx
[08:56] <metallic> how i found the file ".xinitrc"???
[08:56] <manveru> metallic: what do you need it for?
[08:57] <metallic> i can add a DE
[08:57] <manveru> a DE?
[08:57] <metallic> yes, XPDE
[08:57] <KaoticEvil> Desktop Environment
[08:57] <manveru> Desktop Environment?
[08:57] <metallic> yes
[08:57] <manveru> ah ,k
[08:58] <manveru> it is in your home-folder for default
[08:58] <manveru> whatever a XPDE is
[08:58] <wincide> hi all :D
[08:59] <thoreauputic> and the Debian/Ubuntu equivalent of .xinitrc is .xsession BTW
[08:59] <metallic> ah...-Decompress the tar.gz in /usr/share as root -Edit the .xinitrc file of the user you want to run XPde and put this line: /usr/share/xpde/bin/startxpde (and) -Start X
[08:59] <wincide> i have one question ... does the kubuntu dvd instalation come with the same packages as the kubuntu cd instalation ?? without the live part i mean ...
[09:00] <metallic> ah ok i don't found .xinitrc on my home folder
[09:00] <wasp_ems> well...when i download a prog how do i install it??i write sudo apt-get install and the name of the file, but it does not find it..i just downloaded it on my desktop
[09:01] <metallic> on my home folder don't have .xsession...
[09:01] <egats> wasp_ems: did you download a package, or source?
[09:01] <metallic> Xautorithy
[09:01] <metallic> ?
[09:02] <wasp_ems> package
[09:03] <wasp_ems> well??
[09:04] <metallic> fucker XFCE, crash...
[09:04] <metallic> fucked XFCE...
[09:04] <wasp_ems> egats: ?????
[09:05] <libben> any good direct connect client to reccomend?
[09:05] <egats> wasp_ems: why not just use Adept?
[09:06] <egats> it's better for n00bs
[09:06] <libben> Synaptic is still the king thou
[09:06] <libben> but adept is getting stronger
[09:07] <manveru> well, adept has some flaws...
[09:07] <wasp_ems> i just downloaded it from a site..cant i just use it?
[09:07] <egats> try adding the path to the filename
[09:07] <KaoticEvil> anyone care to help with a sound problem?
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> xmms keeps giving me an error to check that nothing else is using the sound system
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> and i know there is nothing thats using it
[09:08] <egats> wasp_ems: sudo apt-get install ~/Desktop/package_name
[09:08] <KaoticEvil> it seems to be a random error too
[09:09] <metallic> i can add an link for XPDE (usr/share/xpde/bin/"sh startxpde") on a Kubuntu login screen, which file i must to modify?
[09:09] <wasp_ems> egats: i tried it does not work either
[09:11] <nalioth_zZz> metallic: monkey-see monkey-do a .desktop file in your /usr/share/xsessions/
[09:11] <nalioth_zZz> metallic: do not delete the file you use for a template
[09:11] <egats> wasp_ems: i've never tried apt, sorry
[09:12] <wasp_ems> ok..never mind i will do it through adept
[09:13] <egats> wasp_ems: i don't think you need the  ".deb"
[09:13] <metallic> ah yes... /xsession/... kde.desktop & xfce4.desktop
[09:14] <metallic> ahi ahi ahi the syntax is difficulty...
[09:15] <libben> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_First-Person_Shooters
[09:16] <C0r3Dump> hello
[09:16] <metallic> hi
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> anyone knows an Euro conversor, good, pretty and light
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> ??
[09:17] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[09:17] <egats> i think he means converter
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> yes I thinl thats the correct word
[09:17] <C0r3Dump> converter, not conversor (sorry)
[09:18] <metallic> hi world! Food time... :)
[09:18] <egats> have you searched the repos? i'm sure there's an applet
[09:19] <C0r3Dump> I found (in www.kde-apps.org) keurocalc
[09:19] <at1as>
[09:19] <egats> so search aptitude or synaptic for keurocalc
[09:19] <wasp_ems> how do i install an rpm package???
[09:20] <C0r3Dump> but nothing in repositories
[09:20] <egats> wasp_ems: you don't.
[09:20] <wasp_ems> why?
[09:20] <egats> wasp_ems: b/c kubuntu is debian based
[09:20] <wasp_ems> and rpm is?
[09:21] <C0r3Dump> (i've done it, nothing in repository, i hava source code, but it not light enough ..)
[09:21] <Dasnipa`> rpm is like hedhat right?
[09:21] <wasp_ems> ok
[09:21] <wasp_ems> thanx
[09:21] <Dasnipa`> you can convert to deb format though
[09:21] <Dasnipa`> i believe
[09:21] <wasp_ems> how?
[09:21] <egats> wasp_ems: get a converter?
[09:21] <nalioth_zZz> converting rpms is not advised
[09:21] <wasp_ems> is it better to download the source?
[09:21] <nalioth_zZz> wasp_ems: what do you want to install?
[09:21] <C0r3Dump> with alien
[09:21] <wasp_ems> moodin
[09:22] <C0r3Dump> alien --to-deb paquete-1.0.rpm
[09:22] <egats> wasp_ems: why not just get the deb package instead?
[09:22] <wasp_ems> if i find it
[09:22] <wasp_ems> anyway thanx alloyt
[09:22] <nalioth> wasp_ems: building from source is always advised  over using non ubuntu things
[09:22] <C0r3Dump> but using alien must be your final chance
[09:23] <nalioth> ubuntulog: tell wasp_ems about checkinstall
[09:23] <zephar> I dont think i have all the reositories setup for adept as I I dont have files like mplayer. what urls should I add in??? I activated all the non active
[09:23] <nalioth> ubotu: tell wasp_ems about checkinstall
[09:23] <nalioth> ubotu: tell zephar about mplayer
[09:23] <C0r3Dump> deb ftp://ftp.cica.es/mirrors/Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free
[09:24] <wasp_ems> thanx nalioth but did that ages ago
[09:24] <C0r3Dump> you can dowload it from here
[09:24] <zephar> thanx nalioth
[09:24] <C0r3Dump> mplayer and w32codec
[09:25] <nalioth> C0r3Dump: please dont hand out non ubuntu repos, mplayer is available in official repos
[09:25] <nalioth> !info mplayer-586
[09:25] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre7cvs20050716-0.1ubuntu9 (breezy), Packaged size: 3670 kB, Installed size: 7928 kB
[09:25] <nalioth> C0r3Dump: see? it's in multiverse
[09:25] <nalioth> unofficial repos cause trouble
[09:26] <C0r3Dump> ?? i've been using it for a long time and i have never had problems ....
[09:26] <kinfo> No match for "i've"
[09:27] <C0r3Dump> but i use m-player 386 ,)
[09:27] <nalioth> C0r3Dump: i do things that would make most ubuntu devs cringe, but i dont advise doing them (even tho i've had no problems)
[09:30] <wasp_ems> if i download a package in source...do i install it the same way??
[09:30] <nalioth> wasp_ems: if you grab a source pkg, you'll need to build it
[09:30] <nalioth> wasp_ems: use "checkinstall" intead of "make install"
[09:30] <wasp_ems> i dont know how to build it?
[09:31] <wasp_ems> with checkinstall what will happen?
[09:31] <nalioth> wasp_ems: did you read the info ubotu sent you about checkinstall/
[09:32] <wasp_ems> not yet
[09:33] <nalioth> wasp_ems: do you know how to compile software?
[09:33] <wasp_ems> no
[09:33] <KaoticEvil> can i use more than one package name at a time with apt-get?
[09:33] <wasp_ems> and i did not get exactly what ubotu told me
[09:33] <nalioth> wasp_ems: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[09:34] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: you surely may
[09:34] <wasp_ems> ok
[09:34] <KaoticEvil> sweet :>
[09:35] <gambix> hi to all
[09:35] <gambix> i need help about my nvidia driver
[09:35] <gambix> in the forum it seem to be easy ut ...
[09:35] <gambix> Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found)
[09:36] <gambix> after installation it crash with this error message
[09:36] <gambix> any purpose ?
[09:36] <gambix> i'm on breezy with kde 3.5 beta 2
[09:39] <Cheapie> man i wish i could open lzh in linux
[09:40] <nalioth> Cheapie: you can't?
[09:40] <Cheapie> yeah, i can't even preview i don't think either hmm
[09:41] <Cheapie> nope
[09:41] <nalioth> you should be lzh enabled
[09:42] <Cheapie> very strange
[09:42] <at1as>
[09:42] <KaoticEvil> Cheapie:  http://www.7-zip.org/ ;)
[09:43] <nalioth> KaoticEvil: Cheapie wants it built into the system
[09:44] <Cheapie> i just want to extract .lzh files :(
[09:44] <etam> hi, do You know how can i extract files from *.bin and *.cue cd image file without mounting it?
[09:44] <nalioth> etam: use binchunker to convert it to iso
[09:44] <KaoticEvil> ah.. ok
[09:44] <etam> nalioth: but i dont want na iso, i need files from it
[09:44] <nalioth> Cheapie: it's strange that you dont have it
[09:45] <nalioth> etam: i have no clue how to extract things from bin/cue or iso w/o mounting them first
[09:45] <libben> I just plugged in a old saitek gamepad on the soundcard's gameport... and im in system settings. now what.... im in the joystick options. but it appears not to be showing. do i need to restart the box to get it seen by the system?
[09:45] <libben> or can i restart something?
[09:45] <etam> nalioth: so how can i mount it in kubuntu?
[09:45] <etam> nalioth: any program with gui?
[09:46] <nalioth> etam: not to my knowledge
[09:46] <etam> nalioth: and without gui?
[09:47] <nalioth> etam: as i mentioned, i'm not up on mounting things like that
[09:47] <etam> nalioth: ok, thanks
[09:47] <Cheapie> hmm
[09:47] <Cheapie> 4.20 doesn't support lzh
[09:48] <etam> anyone knows something to mount cd images?
[09:48] <etam> like deamontools inwindows
[09:48] <libben> I just plugged in a old saitek gamepad on the soundcard's gameport... and im in system settings. now what.... im in the joystick options. but it appears not to be showing. do i need to restart the box to get it seen by the system?
[09:50] <libben> anyone ?
[09:50] <libben> nalioth: u know anything on getting a gamepad alive?
[09:51] <_thedrawer_> hey
[09:51] <_thedrawer_> how do I restart X?
[09:51] <nalioth> libben: i do not
[09:51] <nalioth> _thedrawer_: ctrl-alt-bksp
[09:54] <C0r3Dump> etam: maybe MountISO or Kiso
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> anyone know an easy way to get newly added apps to show up on my kde menu? :)
[09:54] <KaoticEvil> kappfinder?
[09:54] <LeeJunFan> I just installed koffice and I don't want to do it all by hand.
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: thanks.
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: well that only looks for non kde apps. :(
[09:55] <LeeJunFan> go figure.
[09:56] <bhna> LeeJunFan: menue editor
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, the point is not to add 8 applications by hand. Why, when they are kde apps are they not being added to the system menudir?
[09:57] <bhna> LeeJunFan: wich package do you use?
[09:57] <etam> C0r3Dump: thank You
[09:57] <LeeJunFan> bhna: just installed koffice
[09:58] <LeeJunFan> bhna: didn't there used to be a update-menus or some such thing?
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> ah, that was probably before the freedesktop crap and the move to xml for the menu. I love when new standards prompt throwing away things that work for those that aren't finished yet.
[09:59] <KaoticEvil> LeeJunFan:  tried KAppFinder?
[09:59] <LeeJunFan> KaoticEvil: yeah, it only looks for non-kde apps.
[09:59] <KaoticEvil> doh.. that sucks
[09:59] <bhna> they should. take a lokk at this debs http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice142
[10:00] <bhna> *lookk
[10:00] <bhna> +look
[10:00] <LeeJunFan> Well, I guess I might be able to get away with copying the stuff from /usr/share/applnk/Office to my ~ dir.
[10:00] <LeeJunFan> bhna: looking now.
[10:01] <noirequus> LeeJunFan: did you install it using adept?
[10:01] <LeeJunFan> noirequus: no, synaptic. Therin probably lies the problem eh.
[10:03] <bhna> LeeJunFan: synaptic isn't the prob. you can use adept, synaptic or apt-get install
[10:03] <noirequus> LeeJunFan: not at all, it should update the menus whichever apt method you use
[10:04] <LeeJunFan> it's all in /usr/share/applnk/Office, but of course cp'ing that to my $HOME/.kde/share/applnk doesn't do the trick.
[10:05] <at1as>
[10:05] <bhna> hae you restart the kicker?
[10:06] <bhna> the menu config is in $Home/.congig/*.xml
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, that's what I was just looking for - thanks.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, it doesn't show up in menu editor either.
[10:07] <bhna> LeeJunFan: .config/menus/applications-kmenuedit.menu
[10:07] <LeeJunFan> bhna: yeah, now I wonder if there's a simple command to import the stuff from the applnk dir format to the file.
[10:08] <LeeJunFan> bhna: I'll ask that in #kde.
[10:08] <bhna> LeeJunFan: don't know.
[10:10] <[t0rc] > have there been any issues with Breezy Badger and xorg-fgrlx drivers?
[10:12] <bhna> [t0rc] : www.ubuntuforums.org
[10:16] <[t0rc] > anyone using fglrx drivers on breezy?
[10:23] <Phazeman> can someone please help with mldonkey configuration on kubuntu ?
[10:24] <manveru> what do you need to know Phazeman ?
[10:24] <Phazeman> manveru: i can't get it to have some server list
[10:25] <Phazeman> so i see an empty server list in kmldonkey
[10:25] <Phazeman> also, the CLI connection never works but in mandriva i always used to work with CLI
[10:26] <Phazeman> manveru: any idea ?
[10:27] <manveru> not sure
[10:27] <manveru> you are behind a proxy?
[10:27] <Phazeman> nop...
[10:27] <manveru> firewall?
[10:27] <Phazeman> i'm behind dell router
[10:28] <Phazeman> yes firewall but emule ports enabled
[10:28] <Phazeman> the problem is that i can't get the list itself  !
[10:28] <slow-motion> n8
[10:28] <manveru> well, i have never used this kmldonkey
[10:29] <manveru> i only guess there is something wrong with your firewall
[10:30] <Phazeman> manveru: what do you use ?
[10:30] <Phazeman> you connect to the CLI ?
[10:30] <manveru> no, the only filesharing i do is via torrent
[10:30] <manveru> so i can only guess about your problems
[10:30] <Phazeman> a
[10:30] <Phazeman> nm then...
[10:30] <Phazeman> you use ktorrent ?
[10:31] <manveru> yeah
[10:31] <manveru> but it's not too great...
[10:31] <manveru> i miss something like bitcomet in windows :)
[10:31] <Phazeman> :)
[10:31] <Phazeman> what servers do you use to look for things ?
[10:32] <manveru> well, just random searching and all the stuff on legaltorrents.com
[10:32] <manveru> there are lots of trackers out there and i don't need lots of stuff anyway
[10:33] <Phazeman> thanks
[10:33] <manveru> np
[10:36] <LeeJunFan> torrent is okay as long as you don't need to search.
[10:37] <manveru> it works ok for me
[10:37] <manveru> i listen to electronic music, and this kind of music is created by some random generators anyway :)
[10:37] <LeeJunFan> manveru: hehe, just tried again now that it's in my mind, and it's working for me now too. cool.
[10:38] <manveru> so there is flying a _lot_ around
[10:39] <manveru> someone knows why katapult doesn't like kcontrol?
[10:39] <_choad> Hello
[10:40] <_choad> Hi. Hello. Hi.
[10:40] <manveru> hi :)
[10:42] <LeeJunFan> what a choad.
[10:42] <jjesse> manveru: don't know on the kcontrol question, but katapult -> system settings works
[10:42] <KaoticEvil> lol
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> is there a way to remap my windows key on my keyboard to bring up the K menu?
[10:43] <manveru> hm, yeah - tho i still dislike the system settings a bit
[10:43] <manveru> sure there is
[10:43] <manveru> and a easy one too :)
[10:43] <KaoticEvil> ... how? :P (just a point in the right direction...)
[10:44] <manveru> take a look at system-settings
[10:44] <manveru> wait a second
[10:44] <manveru> :)
[10:45] <manveru> might be better to take a look at kcontrol
[10:45] <KaoticEvil> ok
[10:46] <manveru> in regional-stuff&anotherthing
[10:46] <KaoticEvil> ty
[10:47] <manveru> in keyboard-layout
[10:50] <manveru> at least i thought it was in there
[10:50] <manveru> i checked it in kde2.x the last time...
[10:54] <KaoticEvil> ok, thanks :)
[10:55] <firephoto> are there any xorg 6.9/7 packages available?
[10:56] <KaoticEvil> bbl
[10:56] <server> hey leutz !!   wie kann ich mich in der grafischen oberflsche mit root anmelden ...ha das konto schon mit pw belegt aber der sagt mir das man das nicht darf
[10:57] <_jacques> hi. licq doesn't connect after closing it for the first time. is this a known issue?
[10:58] <linuxania> _jacques: perhaps you should check that from http://www.licq.org/bugs.php
[11:00] <server> one question ... i would like to login (KDE) root acc but it doesnt work..... i have a root pw registered but kde says that root are not allow @ kde.!     How i can login with root acc
[11:01] <manveru> use your userpasssword
[11:02] <server> i dont want to log me in with normal user
[11:02] <server> i want to log in me with root
[11:02] <server> like SUSE for example
[11:02] <Tm_T> server: you should NOT login to KDE as root
[11:03] <server> no way?
[11:03] <server> lol.....shit
[11:03] <Tm_T> I hope you can't because there is no single reason for that
[11:03] <Tm_T> and no point
[11:03] <linuxania> server: why exactly did you want to anyway
[11:07] <server> i want it to become all rights and dont open a console to use admin stuff
[11:11] <firephoto> server: just use kdesu <app>
[11:12] <server> sry but i dont no the app
[11:12] <server> in console i use su root
[11:12] <server> did you mean that?
[11:13] <manveru> no
[11:14] <[t0rc] > I've just installed the xorg-fglrx drivers for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, and they do not work. Help?
[11:14] <manveru> there is no root in (k)ubuntu
[11:14] <firephoto> no from a konsol or the run dialog (alt+f2)  kdesu kate will give you full write privs for kate to anywhere.
[11:14] <firephoto> it prompts for your password.
[11:14] <[t0rc] > !ubotu
[11:14] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot allright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[11:15] <server> no root?? shure?? i use root... and i have only give root pw (to use it)
[11:16] <server> only KDE says that is not allow to login as root
[11:19] <Aapzak> evenin' room
[11:19] <firephoto> server: you don't need to be root login to kde to do root things with a gui..... that's what kdesu does for you. gives your apps running with a root privlege
[11:20] <Aapzak> kdesu does a nice job too
[11:20] <server> ok i understand that i dont log me in with root....... but i will look up what kdesu is.....
[11:20] <Aapzak> only thing: he asks me te remember my password, but he never does remember
[11:21] <server> kde super user?
[11:22] <Aapzak> normally su stands for switch user
[11:22] <server> ok
[11:22] <server> thxx @ all
[11:22] <Aapzak> you're welcome :)
[11:24] <vicks> anybody knows why my breezy live won't recognize my rt2500 wifi (d-link dwl-g122)?
[11:24] <[t0rc] > anyone using fglrx drivers?
[11:25] <bimberi> vicks: it may not be supported "out of the box"
[11:25] <bimberi> !wireless
[11:25] <ubotu> I guess wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[11:25] <Aapzak> both questions, dunno
[11:25] <[t0rc] > !ati
[11:25] <ubotu> well, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[11:25] <bimberi> vicks: have a look there ^^^
[11:26] <vicks> ok thanks
[11:27] <vicks> damn, i cant't connect to internet w/o wifi, and i can''t get ndiswrapper w/o internet
[11:29] <vicks> hm, it's strange the rt2500 page on the wiki says the that it is supposed to work in breezy
[11:45] <[t0rc] > anyone help me with ATI drivesr?


[06:40] <dholbach> good morning
[13:49] <florica> join #BlueNet
[13:49] <florica> ups, scuze
[13:49] <florica> sory


[08:49] <asac> hi
[08:49] <didrocks> hi o/
[08:50] <seb128> hello asac didrocks
[08:50] <asac> moin seb128 and didrocks
[08:50] <didrocks> hello seb128 & asac ;)
[08:51]  * asac receives a ridiculous amount of mail over weekend
[08:51] <seb128> asac: welcome to the club
[08:52] <asac> seb128: hehe ... wel, usually i read mail on weekend, so i dont notice how bad it is
[08:52] <seb128> I've been reading my emails 3 times a day to not crack under backlog today
[08:52] <seb128> it's usually not that amonth
[08:52] <seb128> I usually get 300 emails or so
[08:53] <asac> hmm. i just wanted to hvae 2 days off ;)
[08:53] <seb128> I got 878 this weekend
[08:53] <seb128> asac: you are right you deserve to relax during weekends ;-)
[08:53] <asac> with bugmail?
[08:54] <seb128> the 878?
[08:54] <seb128> it's desktop components I'm interested in, it not everything in ubuntu-desktop but just things I work on
[08:55] <asac> ;)
[08:55]  * pitti hugs asac, seb128, and didrocks
[08:55] <seb128> basically most of GNOME, but not the things other people are supposed to work, ie gnome-screensaver, etc
[08:55]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:55]  * asac hugs pitti back
[08:55] <pitti> yeah, I relaxed during the weekend, but this morning's email surge is horrible
[08:56]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:57] <seb128> going to love users
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks: did you have a jaunty party? ;-)
[08:58] <didrocks> seb128: just a jaunty release party :-) Will publish some photo as soon as I got them
[08:58] <didrocks> the Ubuntu Party (larger public) will be the 16-17 may
[08:59] <seb128> ok
[08:59] <seb128> was the jaunty one good?
[09:00] <didrocks> yes, 30 people in a "flams", very enjoyable :)
[09:00] <didrocks> seb128: and you, no party ? ;)
[09:00] <seb128> no, sleep and relaxing ;-)
[09:00] <didrocks> that's good too ^^
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks: good comments on the jaunty milestone? ;-)
[09:01] <didrocks> if you are around Paris during the ubuntu party, do not hesitate to come
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: I think that people were more trying to download it than already having it :)
[09:01] <seb128> ok
[09:01] <didrocks> from what I know, in forums, everything's  better than for previous release
[09:01] <didrocks> that's a good point \o/
[09:02] <seb128> 16-17 mays, I will be in Spain
[09:02] <seb128> hum no, that's just before in fact
[09:02] <didrocks> ok, thought that canonical guys were leaving just one week before
[09:02] <didrocks> yes
[09:02] <seb128> but too near to travel to Paris and back just before flying
[09:02] <didrocks> sure ^^
[09:02] <didrocks> next time :)
[09:03] <didrocks> seb128: I don't know what do you thing, but this one can be a good SRU candidate (bug #361053)
[09:03] <didrocks> think*
[09:04] <seb128> mvo: ^ could you have a look? ;-)
[09:04] <seb128> I already sponsored some SRU and did a bunch of those, I want to try catching up on bug emails today now
[09:04] <seb128> didrocks: I will have a look later if nobody else does
[09:05] <didrocks> seb128: ok, will ping you if it's the case
[09:06] <mvo> sure
[09:24] <robert_ancell> seb128: hey!
[09:24] <seb128> hello robert_ancell
[09:24] <seb128> robert_ancell: how are you?
[09:24] <pitti> robert_ancell: good evening
[09:25] <robert_ancell> seb128: I feel like I got punched in the nose :)  Hey pitti
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell: found things to do today? we have some bug flood after jaunty so you can probably spend the week helping on bug triage ;-)
[09:25] <pitti> robert_ancell: but you are alive!!
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell: ah ah
[09:25] <seb128> robert_ancell: users are great aren't they? ;-)
[09:25] <pitti> robert_ancell: I had a nose operation three years ago, I still painfully remember it
[09:25] <robert_ancell> seb128: no it was a doctor that did it to me!  And I paid for it!
[09:26] <seb128> oh?
[09:26] <robert_ancell> pitti: I think I am past the worst now so should all be good from now on...
[09:26] <robert_ancell> seb128: got my nose straightened to help with breathing
[09:26]  * seb128 is happy that nobody is touching his nose
[09:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: hah, I had pretty much the same
[09:27] <seb128> robert_ancell: ah ok
[09:27] <robert_ancell> seb128: get your nose insured :)
[09:27] <seb128> lol
[09:29] <robert_ancell> I've been triaging all day... the flood doesn't seem too bad yet
[09:30] <seb128> robert_ancell: you are probably not subscribed to enough components! ;-)
[09:30] <seb128> I expect compiz has quite some bugs though and half of those are probably driver issues
[09:31] <robert_ancell> seb128: it was more it just seemed about the normal amount of bugs - i.e. too many!!
[09:31] <seb128> right
[09:31] <seb128> oh oh
[09:32] <seb128> pitti: all the retracer just crashed, should I look to it?
[09:32] <seb128> "    from launchpadlib.errors import HTTPError
[09:32] <seb128> ImportError: No module named launchpadlib.errors"
[09:32] <seb128> what the?
[09:33] <seb128> I hate the new way of packaging python in debian and ubuntu
[09:33] <seb128> it's just no un-reliable
[09:33] <pitti> aww
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: I'll have a look
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: I just did a pull in the launchpadlib branch, I guess that broke it somehow
[09:33] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[09:33] <pitti> seb128: currently working on the script to set up the retracers (since we need one on armel, etc., and I like to have it working anyway)
[09:34] <seb128> pitti: ok
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti
[09:38] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning! had a nice weekend?
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> not too bad thanks - i slept a lot like most weekends :)
[09:39] <chrisccoulson>  i've finished the tracker update now - i dropped the evolution plugin, as I can't make it work anyway
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> someone else tested the evolution plugin, and they couldn't make it work either
[09:40] <seb128> robert_ancell: could you have a look to bug #343707 tomorrow?
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> heh. that bug is really annoying
[09:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: thanks, I saw the merge request; will upload ASAP
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks:)
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> i'll have to do some more investigation on the evo plugin, but i'll have to ask upstream for some help with that
[09:43] <robert_ancell> seb128: no prob,  it sounds similar to bug 181553 which I fixed today
[09:43] <seb128> robert_ancell: good that you fixed this one, I think they are different issues though
[09:44] <seb128> robert_ancell: the other one could be gstreamer typefinding detecting a wrong mimetype rather or something
[09:44] <seb128> robert_ancell: it's supposed to ignore non multimedia formats quietly
[09:44] <robert_ancell> seb128: reading more you're probably right.  The bug I fixed had a symptom where it was treating a playlist as a music file
[09:46] <pitti> seb128: ronne retracers should be fixed now
[09:46] <seb128> pitti: good job!
[09:54] <seb128> robert_ancell: interesting that you edit apport crash bug titles to remove the function name
[09:55] <seb128> I found that handy to find duplicates usually
[09:56] <seb128> robert_ancell: the desktop bug triagers usually use "fix commited" for bugs fixed upstream too
[09:57] <seb128> it's not ideal but it makes easier to know what to close in the next upload
[09:57] <seb128> by just looking at the bugs list
[09:57] <robert_ancell> seb128: yeah, it's a bit of trade off that one.  I was considering having them following the description.  I've found it easier to get a overview of the bugs if the reports have descriptions of the causes of the bugs
[09:58] <seb128> right, you have a point, and ideally apport should auto-dup similar stacktraces anyway
[09:59] <seb128> I'm pondering if we should keep the function in () after the title though
[09:59] <robert_ancell> seb128: and often it can be misleading to mark purely based on stack trace - sometimes i've seen bug reports in gnome-games/gcalctool linked based on similar traces but aren't the same cause
[09:59] <seb128> right
[09:59] <robert_ancell> seb128: I agree, I'll update them in future
[10:00] <seb128> thanks
[10:00] <robert_ancell> seb128: regarding the "fix committed" - I wanted to do that but hadn't because of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status - but I will definitely do that now because it has been annoying me too
[10:01] <seb128> right, different people have different workflow
[10:01] <seb128> we use fix commited in a consistant way for desktop though
[10:02] <seb128> the rational being that GNOME rolls tarball often enough
[10:02] <seb128> so it's somewhat going to land soon in ubuntu when fixed upstream anyway ;-)
[10:02] <robert_ancell> seb128: thanks,  still getting the hang of the workflow here :)
[10:02] <seb128> and it makes easier to know what bugs to close or patches to backport
[10:02] <seb128> you're weclome!
[10:02] <seb128> welcome
[10:03] <robert_ancell> seb128: that leads onto another question I wanted to ask - there's a number of upstream released I want to push (glade, gcalctool etc) that fix small bugs.  Is it worth pushing these for Jaunty?
[10:03] <robert_ancell> (I still don't quite get the post CD press process)
[10:03] <seb128> is there any bug fix there worth having in stable?
[10:04] <robert_ancell> seb128: well something like glade is really handy as it fixes some annoying bugs and I'd expect programmers to want the latest stable version.  Or do we expect users to get this from a PPA?
[10:05] <seb128> it's always a balance work benefit
[10:05] <seb128> hey bratsche
[10:05] <seb128> robert_ancell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[10:05] <seb128> robert_ancell: those are the stable uploads already uploaded
[10:05] <seb128> robert_ancell: you know the sru procedure?
[10:05] <robert_ancell> seb128: no
[10:06] <robert_ancell> (other than it appears to be practically impossible to push something into stable when you're not in Ubuntu as when I tried back a year or so)
[10:06] <seb128> robert_ancell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:07] <seb128> robert_ancell: read that
[10:08] <seb128> robert_ancell: basically the update need to be bug fixes change only and worth the work
[10:08] <seb128> robert_ancell: ie a translation updates version is not worth the stable update work
[10:08] <seb128> (especially than translators can upload translations on rosetta without source upload)
[10:09] <seb128> the gcalctool changelog has 1 line
[10:09] <robert_ancell> seb128: ok, I did read that the other year.  So reading it says in the case of the apps I am talking about a backport is more appropriate?
[10:09] <seb128> not sure if the bug is an annoyance for users or just a small thing, if you think that's annoying enough you can do a sru
[10:10] <seb128> since GNOME has freezes etc for stable series no
[10:10] <seb128> we usually do GNOME stable updates
[10:10] <seb128> when the changes are worth an update
[10:10] <seb128> I think for glade it makes sense
[10:10] <robert_ancell> glade is a better example - there are a few cases where you can generate ui files that can't be loaded.  It's a bit confusing so it would be really nice for the users.  The work seems small from my end.
[10:11] <seb128> right, for glade it makes sense
[10:11] <seb128> the gcalctool one I'm not sure
[10:11] <seb128> it's only one change ... is that a confusing thing for many users?
[10:11] <seb128> we are still early after jaunty and karmic is not open yet
[10:11] <seb128> so it's still a good time to do some stable bug fixing
[10:11] <seb128> so it's still a good time to do some stable bug fixing
[10:12] <robert_ancell> There's another bug that I'll fix soon and I'm thinking ahead, i.e. when gcalctool 5.26.3 is released there will probably be a number of useful fixes and by that time I'd consider it useful to update
[10:13] <seb128> ok, so maybe wait for this update
[10:13] <seb128> and do the glade one meanwhile
[10:13] <robert_ancell> OK, I will do that tomorrow
[10:13] <seb128> that will do a sru exercice too ;-)
[10:13] <seb128> ok
[10:13] <seb128> so this rhythmbox bug, glade to sru and bug triage
[10:13] <seb128> you already have a busy day scheduled ;-)
[10:14] <robert_ancell> seb128: will do.  it's good to have some variety for the day!
[10:14] <seb128> indeed
[10:14]  * seb128 still fighting the bugmail backlog
[10:14] <seb128> we will need an e-d-s sru
[10:15] <pitti> gosh, I haven't even started with that yet :(
[10:15] <seb128> once people will have managed to tell us where e-d-s is crashing
[10:15] <seb128> we are getting a lot of evolution calendar hangs
[10:20] <pitti> hey sabdfl
[10:21] <sabdfl> pitti!
[10:21] <sabdfl> how was your release weekend?
[10:22] <seb128> hello sabdfl
[10:22] <sabdfl> hey seb
[10:25] <robert_ancell> seb128, pitti:  clocking off now, see you guys tomorrow
[10:25] <seb128> robert_ancell: enjoy your evening, see you tomorrow
[10:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: sleep well, and all the best for your nose!
[10:26] <robert_ancell> :O)
[10:26] <pitti> sabdfl: pretty quiet, enjoyed the sun, some bicycling, and theater :)
[10:26] <sabdfl> what did you see?
[10:26] <pitti> "What the Butler Saw"
[10:26] <pitti> brilliant English comedy
[10:27] <pitti> and back then, in 1969, probably quite a scandalous one, too
[10:27] <pitti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Butler_Saw_(play)
[10:27] <pitti> sabdfl: how about you, rocked the office with the release party? :-)
[10:28] <sabdfl> it was great
[10:28] <sabdfl> and i could speak afterwards, because there was no karaoke :-)
[10:28] <sabdfl> and nobody had to bring cotton wool
[10:28] <sabdfl> all in all, a success
[10:29] <pitti> sounds great!
[10:30] <pitti> seb128: hah, the good thing about karmic not being open yet is that SRU verification results come in very fast \o/
[10:30] <seb128> pitti: ;-)
[10:30]  * pitti currently processes the 150-odd SRU bug mails
[10:30] <mvo> yeah, the sru-verification team is rocking
[10:30] <seb128> pitti: speaking about that do you know when karmic will open?
[10:30] <pitti> seb128: when the toolchain bits are in, currently in progress
[10:31] <mnemo> is it possible to run apport-collect from an ssh shell when xorg is borked?
[10:31] <seb128> mvo, pitti: could one of you look at the brasero update waiting for sponsoring too? there is quite some users having nautilus crashing due to it right now
[10:31] <pitti> not right now, but I'll have a look at the sponsoring queue later then
[10:31] <mvo> seb128: can do
[10:31] <pitti> mnemo: apport-collect doesn't need X
[10:32]  * pitti hugs mvo
[10:32] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[10:34] <mvo> np
[10:40] <mvo> pitti: if the update-manager -proposed version could go into -updates, that would rock (verification status looks pretty good AFAICS)
[10:40] <pitti> mvo: I'm very eager to get it in (currently trawling through the sru bug mail)
[10:41] <pitti> mvo: you got some good responses and perhaps also did an auto-tester run with this?
[10:42] <mvo> pitti: I got multiple auto-test rusns (attached to the individual reports)
[10:42] <pitti> great
[10:42] <mvo> thanks, I don't want to interrupt your trawling :)
[10:45] <pitti> mvo: no problem, please do :)
[10:45] <pitti> I'm in SRU mode/mood anyway
[11:13] <pitti> mvo: congratulations for for the first package in jaunty-updates
[11:13] <pitti> mvo: shall I also copy it to karmic, or do you have the chagnes/bug closings in your karmic tree as well?
[11:14] <mpt> asac, hi, I have a question about wired networks
[11:14] <mpt> asac, in what circumstances is it useful to know the name of a wired network?
[11:15] <mpt> For example, when I plug the PC next to me into Ethernet I get a bubble with title "Auto eth0", which is quite ugly
[11:15] <mpt> What would we lose by just saying "Wired network" instead?
[11:16] <Nafallo> mpt: so how do I know if I'm using my Canonical Data Centre statical configuration, my statical configuration for Home, or actually got an automatic DHCP?
[11:17] <mpt> Nafallo, I don't know. What's a "statical configuration"?
[11:17] <Nafallo> mpt: when you don't get an IP assigned by a central server by rather set it yourself in the preferences.
[11:17] <mpt> ah
[11:18] <mpt> Nafallo, and what are the titles shown in the notification bubbles for each of those at the moment?
[11:18] <Nafallo> mpt: I would have to disconnect to check...
[11:19] <Nafallo> mpt: Bold text, name of the connection. underneath, non bold, "Connection established"
[11:19] <mpt> Nafallo, I understand that, I'm just wondering what the actual names are
[11:20] <Nafallo> mpt: so what you see as Auto eth0 could be Home or Canonical DCs or whatever...
[11:20] <mpt> Nafallo, are they what's shown in "Edit Connections..." > "Wired" > "Edit" > "Connection name:"?
[11:20] <Nafallo> yeah.
[11:20] <Nafallo> same with any name for any type of connection.
[11:20] <mpt> so were your names set manually or automatically?
[11:20] <Nafallo> which is how it should be IMO
[11:21] <Nafallo> manually for the static configs
[11:21] <Nafallo> you can change whatever connection to have a different name though...
[11:21] <Nafallo> so the "fix" for this issue would be to get Network Manager to have sane defaults I would say :-)
[11:23] <mpt> Ah, so a better name than "Auto eth0"?
[11:26] <Nafallo> yeah
[11:26] <Nafallo> if that is your issue :-)
[11:26] <Nafallo> also, the defaults for wireless is Auto $SSID
[11:27] <Nafallo> I can't see why it isn't just $SSID personally
[11:27] <proppy> mpt: if you've got 2 eth, it can be usefull to know which one is plugged
[11:27] <mpt> good point
[11:28] <proppy> (while, I agree that many desktop don't have 2xeth these days)
[11:28] <mpt> So maybe the first should be called "Ethernet", the second "Ethernet 2", the third "Ethernet 3", and so on
[11:29] <Nafallo> and nuke "Auto " from everything? :-)
[11:29] <Nafallo> (for new connections of course, don't want to touch existing configs)
[11:30] <mpt> maybe
[11:30] <mpt> Let's see what asac thinks
[11:35] <asac> mpt: names for connections make sense when you hvae multiple connections defined
[11:35] <asac> mpt: in the case of auto connections i would think that just stating "Auto Wired Connection" might make more sense.
[11:36] <asac> mpt: dropping the eth0 works well when you have only one NIC
[11:36] <asac> which is on laptops, but most desktops have two NICs i think
[11:37] <asac> so we could look into making the name logic consider whether there is more than one NIC and whether there are other wired connections defined and dropping parts of the name accordingly.
[11:40] <seb128> asac: the issue is that "eth" is a technical thing not a word users understand
[11:40] <asac> seb128: yes, i see that. i have to think a bit about it
[11:42] <asac> we could try to enumerate wired devices somehow and refer to the auto connections as "Wired Connection 1,2,.."
[11:45] <Nafallo> asac: is "Auto " actually necessary you reckon? :-)
[11:45] <asac> personally i wonder whether network management shouldnt look at this at the connection perspective at all; rather the user should manage his networking based on locations ... which would allow us to give the auto connection a name that refers to location used.
[11:46] <asac> Nafallo: not sure.
[11:47] <Nafallo> asac: I've got LOTS of Auto $SSID by now...
[11:47] <asac> Nafallo: question is if users are more likely to go and look for "manual" ways to configure connections if they see the "Auto" prefix
[11:47] <seb128> what does "auto" mean?
[11:48] <Nafallo> seb128: either it is DHCP or it is "Automagically created faff"
[11:48] <asac> auto means: all magic ;) ... encryption mode, IPs, et all
[11:48] <Nafallo> I've never actually understood which
[11:48] <proppy> I don't get Auto for network I created by hand
[11:49] <Nafallo> proppy: that's because you set the name by hand? ;-)
[11:49] <asac> yeah. you have to choose the name for those explicitly
[11:49] <proppy> Nafallo: yep, I remember setting the name by hand because of an hidden SSID
[11:49] <seb128> couldn't you display ".... automatically configured"?
[11:50] <seb128> where ... is the name
[11:50] <Nafallo> so yeah. I don't think "Auto " makes sense just because I choose an AP to connect to in the list :-)
[11:50] <Nafallo> seb128: why would you need to tell them at all? if they need to set up a static connection they will figure it out anyway :-)
[11:52] <asac> Nafallo: for APs the auto might make less sense than for wired
[11:53] <Nafallo> asac: as in "no sense" :-)
[11:53] <Nafallo> but yeah.
[11:53] <asac> Nafallo: but that name doesnt show up in menu usually
[11:53] <Nafallo> asac: really?
[11:53] <asac> while the wired name shows up in its full length
[11:53] <asac> Nafallo: do you see any Auto in the menu for wireless?
[11:54] <asac> i would think you just see that in the editor
[11:54] <Nafallo> asac: ah. you meant like that.
[11:54] <Nafallo> asac: no, but then the only wired I see are set in the connection dialog :-P
[11:54] <Nafallo> asac: so changing the default name for wired wouldn't necessarily show "Auto eth0" either :-)
[11:55] <Nafallo> INCONSISTENCY!!!
[11:55] <Nafallo> :-P
[11:56] <asac> Nafallo: well. you only see the connections if there is a link on the wired device
[11:56] <asac> so plug your thing into something that has power ;)
[11:57] <Nafallo> that made no sense to me. what do you mean?
[11:57] <Nafallo> I'm on wire at the moment.
[11:59]  * mpt looks up what a "NIC" is
[11:59] <asac> mpt: device
[11:59] <asac> network
[12:00] <mpt> ah, network interface controller
[12:00] <mvo> pitti: wooohh! thanks - I have the changes in my karmic tree, once it oppens, I will uplaod that
[12:00] <pitti> mvo: ok, I won't bother then; please upload the next wave of u-m to -proposed then
[12:00] <asac> Nafallo: not sure what you mean then
[12:01] <mpt> asac, are there any prefixes used other than "eth"? If so, what are they?
[12:01]  * mpt finds http://www.netstumbler.org/f55/whats-difference-between-eth0-wlan0-wifi0-ath0-etc-18696/
[12:01] <asac> mpt: thats a theoretically infinite set of names
[12:01] <Nafallo> asac: if you look in the connection editor, you have lots of wireless Auto $SSID. those show up in the menu as $SSID
[12:02] <Nafallo> asac: when you connect to wired you get the same names as in the connection editor. ie. "Auto eth0"
[12:02] <Nafallo> asac: that's inconsistent. I can see why it happens, but it's still fail :-P
[12:02] <Nafallo> mpt: they can have whatever name actually :-)
[12:03] <asac> mpt: its just a label for a NIC ... in the past it was used to identify certain network devices
[12:03] <Nafallo> mpt: but that requires manual intervention, so I don't think we should care :-)
[12:03] <asac> for example in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:05] <asac> mpt: the right way as i said above would be to enumerate devices and talk about them just as "Wired Device X"
[12:05] <Nafallo> Wired Interface X :-)
[12:06] <mpt> This MacBook has "Auto eth2" and no other wireless connections
[12:06] <asac> yes. thats possible
[12:06] <asac> you cannot use that number to enumerate
[12:07] <mpt> er, no other wired connections I mean
[12:10] <asac> so how about this idea:
[12:11] <asac> instead of "Auto cryptic0" ... there should be a menu entry "Auto connect(ed)"
[12:11] <asac> would that make more sense?
[12:12] <asac> thats for wired ... for wireless APs would show up in the same way as they do now
[12:12]  * asac isnt completely happy with "Auto connect" either
[12:18] <asac> mpt: so what do you think about the idea from above: move user perspective of network management away from low level stuff like "devices" and "connections" to more a high level location based POV (home, work, travel ...)
[12:19] <asac> i get the feeling that you cannot really design a UI that looks at devices/connections in a way a non-technical user will understand easily
[12:34] <mpt> asac, location handling is a whole separate issue, and there's a bunch of interesting utilities that do things like change brightness level and default printer and so on as well as network
[12:34] <mpt> I'd rather just get the names fixed for now
[12:37] <asac> mpt: sure its a different issue. but having location handling tight to networking makes a lot of sense. you could auto detect most locations through networking. so worth discussing/speccing imo
[12:38] <asac> mpt: you have a list of utilities that change networking based on location?
[12:44] <mpt> asac, http://www.symonds.id.au/marcopolo/ is one that includes a comparison with others (all Mac OS X)
[12:45] <mpt> Windows equivalents include <http://www.netsetman.com/index.php?s=nsm> and <http://milnersolutions.com/netprofiles/>
[13:10] <bratsche_> Hi seb128
[13:13] <asac> mpt: thx
[16:34] <vuntz> heh
[16:34]  * vuntz looks at the ubuntu gconf patches and sees 05_from_vuntz_gconf2-pk-default-path.patch
[16:35] <vuntz> seb128: yo?
[16:44] <seb128> lut vuntz
[16:44] <seb128> vuntz: what about it?
[16:47] <vuntz> seb128: wondering how you make all packages install their .schemas files in /usr/share/gconf/schemas.
[16:47] <seb128> vuntz: we have a dh_gconf which does that
[16:48] <vuntz> seb128: does it set the GCONF_SCHEMA_FILE_DIR env var before configure?
[16:48] <seb128> configuration is a different question than where the schemas is stored
[16:49] <seb128> no it doesn't
[16:49] <seb128> what does GCONF_SCHEMA_FILE_DIR do?
[16:49] <vuntz> it's just a way to specify where to put the .schemas files on install
[16:50] <vuntz> make install, I mean
[16:50] <seb128> ah no
[16:50] <seb128> dh_gconf just do a mv
[16:50] <vuntz> heh
[16:50] <vuntz> you're cheating
[16:50] <seb128> 		doit("mkdir -p $new_schemas_dir") unless -d $new_schemas_dir;
[16:50] <seb128> 		doit("mv $old_schemas_dir/*.schemas $new_schemas_dir/");
[16:50] <seb128> 		doit("rmdir -p --ignore-fail-on-non-empty $old_schemas_dir");
[16:50] <vuntz> ok
[16:51] <seb128> looking to do a similar change upstream or for opensuse?
[16:54] <vuntz> opensuse, at least
[16:54] <vuntz> upstream would be better, but this might break distros, I guess
[16:55] <seb128> how break?
[16:57] <vuntz> seb128: well, I don't know. This could have interesting side-effects
[16:57] <seb128> add a configure option to gconf to specify the default location
[16:57] <seb128> and let distro use it?
[16:57] <vuntz> you first need to make sure all your packages have the files in the same directory
[16:58] <vuntz> I'm pretty sure it'd break some stuff on openSUSE, eg
[16:59] <seb128> why?
[16:59] <seb128> we had schemas in etc and usr for a while
[16:59] <seb128> it didn't break anything
[16:59] <didrocks> seb128: adding an autotool option to gconf seems interesting (o/ vuntz)
[16:59] <vuntz> we do some magic stuff when upgrading a package with gconf schemas
[16:59] <seb128> each package knows where it install its schemas
[16:59] <seb128> which ones?
[17:00] <vuntz> so we don't have to call gconftool-2 --makefile-install-rule/uninstall if it's not necessary
[17:00] <seb128> I would be interested to know why ;-)
[17:00] <seb128> why? to spare some cpu cycles?
[17:00] <vuntz> yep
[17:00] <vuntz> it was pretty expensive at some point
[17:00] <seb128> I would not think it's that much ressource intensive
[17:01] <vuntz> well. Do you do that once per package or once per apt transaction?
[17:01] <seb128> once by package
[17:01] <seb128> but only for the package schemas
[17:03] <vuntz> pretty sure it's andreasn_'s fault
[17:03] <andreasn_> hm, what's up now?
[17:03] <andreasn_> whatever it is, I think it's your fault
[17:03] <didrocks> ^^
[17:04] <seb128> vuntz: being clever on whether schemas need reinstalling would probably take as much cpu as installing no?
[17:05] <seb128> vuntz: ie you need to compare all the key values and translations to make sure there is nothing worth updating
[17:05] <vuntz> andreasn_: come on. Admit it. You did it.
[17:05] <vuntz> seb128: cmp?
[17:05] <seb128> vuntz: and in 95% of the cases you have translations changes at least so you install the update
[17:05] <vuntz> right
[17:06] <vuntz> it's just that we have more updates for the same version in openSUSE than in Ubuntu
[17:06] <seb128> lol
[17:06] <vuntz> (because we rebuild packages all the time)
[17:06] <seb128> it's your rebuilding everything all the time?
[17:06] <seb128> right
[17:07] <didrocks> seb128: schema translation are embeeded in the binary package, not external?
[17:07] <vuntz> so different needs :-)
[17:10] <seb128> didrocks: there is no binary?
[17:10] <seb128> didrocks: the schemas translations are the .mo files
[17:11] <seb128> didrocks: upstream writes localized xml and we do patch to use gettext instead
[17:11] <didrocks> seb128: and those .mo files are "injected" in the package during soyuz build?
[17:12]  * didrocks can't get the big picture for how ubuntu handles localisation :) (just hope with tdeb that it will be easier :))
[17:13] <seb128> didrocks: what is tdeb?
[17:13] <seb128> didrocks: po files are imported on upload
[17:13] <mvo_> *cough* when I last looked at tdebs (a while ago) it was one tdeb per package per  language
[17:13] <didrocks> seb128: tdeb = translation deb. It's a new format for localisation on debian system. (http://people.debian.org/~codehelp/tdeb/)
[17:14] <didrocks> mvo_: it's still the case with the latest specification
[17:14] <seb128> didrocks: and export in language packs
[17:14] <mclasen> seb128: your patch to extract schema translations is a bit broken, btw
[17:14] <mvo_> that is quite a big number of additional packages then
[17:14] <seb128> didrocks: dpkg -L language-pack-gnome-fr-base
[17:14] <didrocks> seb128: so, every translation for every gconf key are in this language pack?
[17:14] <didrocks> mvo_: for sure
[17:15] <seb128> didrocks: yes, they are in the upstream mo too
[17:15] <seb128> mclasen: in what way?
[17:15] <didrocks> seb128: ok, thanks :)
[17:15] <mclasen> seb128: intltool munges the whitespace when extracting
[17:16] <mclasen> so for long descriptions, what you get from gconf doesn't match the msgid in the .mo
[17:16] <mclasen> also, you don't call bind_textdomain_codeset, so you may see some breakage depending on the locale...
[17:17] <seb128> ok, thanks for letting us know
[17:17] <mclasen> I've posted a working patch to gconf-list earlier today
[17:17] <seb128> pitti: ^ do you know about those issues?
[17:18] <vuntz> mclasen: do you know if installing .schemas files in /usr/share/gconf/schemas instead of /etc/gconf/schemas could break something on fedora?
[17:18] <vuntz> (changing the default)
[17:19] <mclasen> vuntz: it would break all the opencoded schema installation/deinstallation code, of course...
[17:19] <mclasen> since we don't have your %gconf macros yet
[17:19] <mclasen> so it would be a ton of busy work for little gain
[17:19] <vuntz> so yeah, wouldn't be fun for you
[17:19] <mclasen> which is why we  refrained from doing that so far
[17:19] <seb128> vuntz: easier way is the configure option
[17:20] <seb128> for gconf to change the default directory
[17:20] <seb128> so distros who want change just set that
[17:21] <vuntz> seb128: well, this needs some change, since right now, this is hard-coded in gconf-2.m4, which ends up in aclocal.m4 of all tarballs...
[17:22] <seb128> vuntz: ok, I see, lot of trouble for little benefit, let's wait for dconf rather ;-
[17:22] <seb128> ;-)
[17:22] <vuntz> but I guess we can do something similar to gconftool-2 --get-default-source in the m4, if we really want
[17:25] <didrocks> vuntz: hum, gconftool-2 --get-default-source gives me /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults in my jaunty
[17:26] <seb128> didrocks: directory where are installed the schemas != directory where the keys are written
[17:26] <seb128> didrocks: the schemas is a source which is parsed to write the values in the gconf database
[17:27] <seb128> ie the schemas are the source and the directory is where the keys are written
[17:27] <didrocks> seb128: I understand as schemas are just used once... that's why I told vuntz that this command wouldn't help us in a the gconf m4 file
[17:27] <seb128> he said similar
[17:27] <vuntz> didrocks: this is why I said "similar to" ;-)
[17:27] <didrocks> ok, didn't get it, sorry ;-)
[17:46] <Ampelbein> ping pedro_: about bug 366723, the original upstream-version does not have a properties or delete button, it's a change we introduced in ubuntu. could you please close the upstream report about this? Also, I attached a debdiff which corrects the issue.
[17:48] <pitti> seb128: yes, I do, I saw the recent bug mail for that
[17:48] <seb128> pitti: ok
[17:48] <pitti> seb128: I'll apply the updates soon
[17:51] <pedro_> Ampelbein: alright, already closed, thanks for pinging
[18:07] <hggdh> seb128, ping and hello. Would you consider an update for evolution-exchange for bug 353187?
[18:07] <seb128> hey hggdh
[18:07] <seb128> hggdh: yes, we can sru evolution crashers
[18:07] <seb128> hggdh: do you want to work on the sru?
[18:07] <hggdh> seb128, OK, I will prepare a debdiff for it
[18:07] <seb128> thanks
[18:29] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:30] <Nafallo> gnight pitti
[18:32] <hggdh> seb128, I should target jaunty-proposed on my update to e-e, correct?
[18:33] <seb128> hggdh: yes
[18:33] <seb128> 'night pitti
[18:41] <hggdh> seb128, done. debdiff is in bug 353187, nominated for Jaunty, ubuntu-sru subscribed
[18:41] <seb128> hggdh: thanks, I will sponsor that today after diner
[18:41] <seb128> but bbl for now dinner time ;-)
[18:41] <hggdh> seb128, bon appetit
[18:42] <seb128> hggdh: merci
[18:42] <seb128> bbl
[19:10]  * kenvandine_wk runs for a late lunch
[19:46] <dobey> vuntz: care to try my intltool branch that should fix your bug?
[20:59] <vuntz> dobey: sure, tell me how :-)
[21:01] <dobey> vuntz: bzr branch lp:~dobey/intltoolize-version-magic
[21:07] <vuntz> bzr: ERROR: Invalid url supplied to transport: "lp:~dobey/intltoolize-version-magic": No such project: intltoolize-version-magic
[21:09] <dobey> err
[21:09] <dobey> vuntz: bzr branch lp:~dobey/intltool/intltoolize-version-magic
[21:09] <dobey> sorry
[21:10] <vuntz> ah, should have guessed that
[21:11] <vuntz> hrm
[21:11] <vuntz> I guess my bzr version isn't recent enough :/
[21:11] <vuntz> bzr: ERROR: Unknown repository format: 'Bazaar RepositoryFormatKnitPack6 (bzr 1.9)\n'
[21:12] <dobey> oh
[21:12] <dobey> what version of bzr do you have?
[21:12] <vuntz> indeed, I have 1.8
[21:12] <dobey> wow that is old
[21:12] <dobey> :)
[21:12] <vuntz> maybe :-)
[21:12] <vuntz> I don't really follow versions of vcs ;-)
[21:13] <vuntz> I'll try to find the patch on lp and apply it
[21:13] <vuntz> should be enough to test
[21:15] <dobey> vuntz: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~dobey/intltool/intltoolize-version-magic/+merge/5908 has the diff then
[21:40] <bryce> seb128: please fill out your info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/i965Users
[21:40] <seb128> hey bryce
[21:41] <seb128> will do
[21:41] <bryce> heya seb128
[21:41] <seb128> I read the email from pitti but I don't have my laptop with me right now
[21:41] <seb128> I will do that tomorrow
[21:41] <bryce> seb128: ok, main question is do you run as 64 bit or 32 bit?
[21:41] <seb128> I can probably file the table without the laptop
[21:41] <seb128> i386
[21:41] <bryce> aha
[21:41] <seb128> that's a dell d630
[21:42] <bryce> seb128: I noticed a correlation between i386 and amd64 for seeing the freezes
[21:42] <seb128> you have an i386 and the freeze according to the table?
[21:43] <bryce> yeah I know, I'm the data point that breaks the rule
[21:44] <seb128> table updated
[21:44] <bryce> thanks!
[21:45] <seb128> ogasawara also got the freeze using the test script apparently
[21:45] <seb128> you're welcome
[21:45] <seb128> I'm looking forward getting bling back on this config ;-)
[21:45] <seb128> well I've still because I didn't upgrade compiz but I know quite some users have reported bugs about that
[21:47] <seb128> bryce: did you investigate the action or having a virtual setting?
[21:47] <bryce> ogasawara has the same model laptop as me (differing ram though).
[21:48] <seb128> bryce: because several people commented on the bug saying they don't have the issue and use a virtual setting ... could be coincidence but could be impacting on the issue too
[21:48] <bryce> I usually only see the freeze when running compiz for several hours; dunno if she runs with compiz enabled for such periods
[21:48] <bryce> I do not have a virtual option set, so did not investigate that
[21:48] <bryce> (since I can already reproduce the issue easily)
[21:48] <seb128> perhaps try to set one and see if you still get it
[21:49] <seb128> well virtual seems to workaround it not to trigger it
[21:49] <bryce> sure
[21:50] <bryce> at this point I'll try anything ;-)
[21:50] <bryce> could be circumstantial though
[21:51] <bryce> seb128: another question
[21:51] <seb128> oh, other topic, do you know if anybody cares about nvidia closed source driver issues?
[21:51] <seb128> we get quite some users complaining about vnc not refreshing in jaunty when using those
[21:51] <bryce> seb128: since a lot of bugs that are actually X bugs (crashes) get reported against gdm, could you add an apport hook for gdm that includes the X files?
[21:52] <bryce> seb128: there was a bug that ended up being vnc not having been updated to xserver 1.6
[21:52] <seb128> bryce: I guess you know how to do that so feel free to upload if you want
[21:52] <seb128> bryce: I can have a look otherwise
[21:52] <seb128> I though probably add apport hooks to quite some desktop components
[21:53] <bryce> yeah it's definitely worth learning
[21:54] <seb128> anyway if you know what to do, ie have it in xorg ready to copy feel free to do it
[21:54] <seb128> otherwise I will do that when I start on karmic updates
[21:54] <bryce> there's no hurry, it can wait until you're ready to do karmic stuff
[21:55] <bryce> you could basically just copy /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_xorg.py
[21:55] <bryce> you might want to add stuff to that you'd feel might be useful for debugging other kinds of gdm issues
[21:56] <seb128> well as said I've no issue with you uploading gdm so if it takes your a few minutes please do it's uploaded ;-)
[21:56] <seb128> "so it's uploaded"
[21:57]  * bryce <-- afraid of breaking gdm :-)
[21:57] <bryce> I could send you a debdiff though
[21:58] <seb128> yeah, either opening a bug or dropping me an email would be nice
[21:58] <seb128> so I know where to start and it's on my todolist
[21:58] <bryce> ok, will do
[21:58] <seb128> thanks
[21:58] <bryce> interesting, setting Virtual to 2048 2048 seems to not be freezing so far
[22:01] <seb128> bryce: interesting indeed
[22:18] <YokoZar> seb128: mind if i poke you on gnome-app-install?  I found you and mvo in the authors credits, and I'm interested in expanding it a bit so it can remove Wine applications that the user's installed
[22:18] <seb128> YokoZar: you are confusing me with somebody else there
[22:18] <YokoZar> ahh ok
[22:19] <seb128> YokoZar: glatzor is probably the Sebastian in this source
[22:19] <YokoZar> *looks again*
[22:19] <seb128> Sebastian Heinlein?
[22:19] <seb128> he's glatzor on IRC
[22:20] <YokoZar> Ahh yeah it is him thanks
[22:20] <seb128> you're welcome
[22:26] <seb128> bryce: do you know on what component is the bug about this vnc xserver 1.6 issue? or the corresponding bug number?
[22:28] <bryce> seb128: 260815


 Here, but not awake yet :P
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:44] <Kilos> what was wrong with the old gimp kbmonkey ?
[17:44] <Kilos> worked well
[17:44] <nuvolari> ye, I've been hearing about it. Not as excited to get the latest one yet :P
[17:44] <nuvolari> will wait for it to be upgraded in ubuntu
[17:44] <kbmonkey> been waiting for it for a while, nice updates
[17:45] <Kilos> what else can it do?
[17:45] <kbmonkey> it has a single window mode now XD
[17:45] <nuvolari> the most ++ feature IMO is the layer groups
[17:45] <kbmonkey> so no more wrong-focus-shortcut hell
[17:45] <nuvolari> I don't mind the multiple windows
[17:45] <Kilos> ah i didnt delve that deep into gimp i spose
[17:46] <nuvolari> isn't there some more gegl integration too?
[17:46] <kbmonkey> layers can be grouped, the new cairo engine is used for drawing tools, on cavas text editing, you can even use math equations in size entries. its a major release XD
[17:47] <kbmonkey> *bananas*
[17:50] <Kilos> hows the job going kbmonkey
[17:51] <Kilos> i wish irc was as data frugal as mxit
[17:55] <kbmonkey> irc is more frugal, its just you can type and read faster on the pc ;)
[17:57] <kbmonkey> well let us see if we can compile gimp. this should be interesting...
[17:57] <kbmonkey> job is fine Kilos. the work is kak maar we get paid either way, eh? ;)
[17:59] <Kilos> thats what keeps one going laddy
[17:59] <Kilos> hou moed
[18:01] <kbmonkey> i'm 'on-site' throughout the entire week, so I doubt I can chair the next meet.
[18:01] <kbmonkey> .. wonder when that is by the way..
[18:02] <Kilos> meet only the following monday the 21st
[18:02] <Kilos> read the topic
[18:02] <Kilos> inetpro, added the meet date
[18:02] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you are too birght for me today ;)
[18:02] <kbmonkey> oh, happy mother's day, by the way
[18:02] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> voesek
[18:03] <Kilos> im not a mother i got a dingietjie
[18:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:03] <Kilos> goody
[18:04] <kbmonkey> a hoender? no.. what's the other one... hmmm. let's leave it at that ha ha
[18:04] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <kbmonkey> big brother watches
[18:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:06]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:06] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:06] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:06] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[18:06] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[18:10] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:11] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:11] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:11] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight and warm. me hates winter
[18:12] <kbmonkey> nite Kilos
[19:09] <superfly> hi Ki<tab>
[19:10] <kbmonkey> he's gone to club duvet
[19:12] <kbmonkey> how are you superfly
[19:12] <kbmonkey> good mothers day?
[19:12] <superfly> hey kbmonkey
[19:13] <superfly> I think so, mrs_fly hasn't had to do much today. And she even got to phone her mom (her family is from the USA)
[19:16] <kbmonkey> that is good to hear
[19:19] <magespawn> Howdy all
[19:20] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn
[19:20] <superfly> hey magespawn
[19:21] <magespawn> Hey superfly, long time no chat kbmonkey
[19:22] <kbmonkey> i've been away on the coast during the week. going back tomorrow
[19:22] <kbmonkey> working in Umdloti/Gateway
[19:23] <kbmonkey> hey ill be in the region, we can have a ubuntu hour...? :D
[19:24] <magespawn> If I can get down there, but nuvolari is in Ballito isn't he?
[19:24] <superfly> kbmonkey: you can also ask nuvolari
[19:24] <magespawn> Hah
[19:24] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:25] <magespawn> kbmonkey you seem to travel a lot, by choice or circumstance?
[19:27] <kbmonkey> i got a job on the coast, but don't have my own place yet, so i have to go back and forth... :/
[19:27] <kbmonkey> i just got back from CT, so need to find a place again
[19:27] <magespawn> Lots of driving then.
[19:27] <kbmonkey> i stay in durbs during the week, try minimize how often I have to drive. fuel is pricey
[19:28] <magespawn> Do  a Hackers and just pitch up at somebodies house
[19:28] <kbmonkey> :D
[19:28] <magespawn> Where you working?
[19:29] <kbmonkey> its a new company started by a guy i knew from a previous job. no name yet...
[19:30] <magespawn> Cool, doing what if I may ask?
[19:30] <kbmonkey> doing some dev, setting up the system... in the process of implementing to some clients, when that is approved then it is good-to-go
[19:30] <kbmonkey> phone insurance system in C# :p
[19:31] <magespawn> Okay, so exciting stuff then.
[19:31] <kbmonkey> and oh my... word. how sucky is windows after using Debian for so long. I don't believe the updates so often XD ha ha, we are so blessed
[19:32] <magespawn> The latest one that they keep trying to push is Bing desktop.
[19:34] <magespawn> Why on earth anyone would want that who knows?
[19:34] <magespawn> Have started officially studying.
[19:36] <kbmonkey> its okay, I ask contractor rates, it's fine to get me setup :D
[19:36] <kbmonkey> studying lpi?
[19:37] <magespawn> No and don't shoot me for this okay? MCITP
[19:38] <magespawn> May  ask what contractor rates would be?
[19:39] <magespawn> I^
[19:39] <kbmonkey> lol I wont shoot at you ;)
[19:39] <kbmonkey> i did the previous version of that cert, the mcsd
[19:40] <kbmonkey> well I googled rates in UK, the avg is ~R600 a day
[19:40] <kbmonkey> so I proposed that, accepted, and going to review and raise it in about 3 months
[19:43] <kbmonkey> wow, that mcitp has a lot of exams XD
[19:44] <kbmonkey> done any SQL before? (ms/sqlite/mysql)
[19:44] <magespawn> Nop
[19:46] <kbmonkey> okay. well you can always bug me if you need tips :)
[19:46] <magespawn> Starting with A+ and N+ then MCITP and they have given me two free addons Exchange and sql
[19:47] <magespawn> Apparently it also gets me access to whole load of other course material.
[19:48] <magespawn> So pretty cool. The only thing not included is the international exam prices.
[19:49] <magespawn> Then of course then main thing missing will be experience.
[19:51] <magespawn> Like a boomarang
[19:55] <kbmonkey> this guy told me he needs to take on more people in the near future, if you would be keen magespawn ...
[19:57] <kbmonkey> ah no this is driving me nuts. compiling gimp
[19:58] <kbmonkey> would be best to upgrade/do this on a sid release, with all the latest stuff on it.
[20:08] <magespawn> Hey I would be very keen kbmonkey
[20:09] <magespawn> But I am an extreme noob.
[20:09] <kbmonkey> thats fine
[20:10] <kbmonkey> do you want to do tech, dev, or a bit of both?
[20:10] <magespawn> At the moment I am easy, what ever brings in money
[20:11] <kbmonkey> ;D
[20:11] <magespawn> I am a bit more comfortable with the tech side at the moment I suppose.
[20:12] <kbmonkey> reporting involves SQL, what you will be learning too
[20:13] <kbmonkey> reeoprting is good to have experience in
[20:13] <magespawn> Yup that would be good experience
[20:32] <magespawn>  Night all I off to bed.
[22:20] <superfly> fp


[03:51] <Sir_Leto> I'm about to try dual booting with this mysterious uefi laptop.
[03:51] <Sir_Leto> wish me luck
[03:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> good luck
[03:52] <Unit193> Alrighty, good luck.  Got the 64bit ISO?
[03:52] <Sir_Leto> yes, of course.
[03:55] <Sir_Leto> My windows 8 install doesnt boot instantly now that I've disabled a bunch of stuff to make dual booting work.
[03:55] <Sir_Leto> I wonder if it'll annoy me
[03:58] <Viva_Caligula> My take on booting is, I don't care if it takes 5 minutes so long as it's stable when running and rarely needs restarts
[04:15] <j_> hi; i'm having issues with sound on my thinkpad x230: the builtin sound plays, but the usb-connected DAC does not
[04:16] <j_> when i click on the sound/volume indicator applet, then settings, no audio settings appear
[04:16] <j_> a command like "sudo aplay -l" *does* list my usb-connected DAC
[04:16] <kristal> j_: Hmm... could try alsamixer
[04:16] <Unit193> j_: What version?
[04:16] <j_> re. alsamixer: it appears there too... i can mute the builtin, and set volume at like 50% on the usb
[04:17] <j_> yet when i go to play .. no sound out of speakers
[04:17] <j_> currently the latest
[04:17] <kristal> j_: in alsamixer you can select sound card
[04:17] <j_> (ubuntu version = 13.04)
[04:18] <j_> kristal, when i run alsamixer, i can use f6 to select the usb dac
[04:18] <j_> but even if i mute the builtin, no sound comes out of usb..
[04:18] <j_> do i need to e.g. do something as root, or start some service or something?
[04:19] <Unit193> j_: Menu > Multimedia > PulseAudio Volume Control.
[04:19] <j_> HA!
[04:19] <j_> weirdly when i right-click on the taskbar volume applet, that was not appearing
[04:19] <j_> (where it used to)
[04:19] <j_> gimme a sec here to fiddle
[04:20] <j_> heheh man
[04:20] <j_> awesome
[04:20] <j_> turning builtin off from there was successful
[04:20] <j_> i just didn't know how to get to that menu, except through the little taskbar applet thingy
[04:21] <j_> and i feel midly embarrassed i didn't think of that
[04:21] <j_> thanks again
[04:24] <kristal> And here I was thinking pulse was broken for you. :P
[04:24] <j_> the audio service certainly isn't .. i hear music
[04:25] <j_> but the indicator applet is... being weird
[04:25] <j_> it isn't responding to scroll up/down events
[04:25] <j_> and still when i right click and then choose "Sound Preferences", the pulseaudio control panel doesn't show
[04:26] <j_> instead it's some generic "System Settings" window, with only 3 options: Language Support, Printers, and Software & Updates
[04:26] <j_> which is... not right
[04:27] <j_> any thoughts on that?
[04:27] <j_> this is the first time i've plugged in the usb audio, and it wasn't plugged in when i installed (if that has anything to do with it)
[04:28] <kristal> sounds like your indicators is buggy
[04:28] <j_> oh, i forgot to mention this is xubuntu, so it's xfce
[04:29] <kristal> well you are on the xubuntu channel :P
[04:29] <j_> ah, at least i chose that right
[04:29] <j_> haha - had a few drinks earlier ;)
[04:29] <j_> curiously the physical volume buttons on my laptop *do* work
[04:34] <j_> hm; anyone else have any ideas how to fully reset/reinitialize the sound applet/indicator thingy?  (so that it resumes responding to scroll up/down mouse events to increase/decrease volume and so that right-clicking and choosing Sount Settings actually brings up the pulseaudio control panel)
[04:34] <j_> i've tried killing both xfce4-volumed and gnome-sound-applet, to no avail
[04:39] <j__> (<- the user formerly known as "j_): a reboot has not restored sane volume indicator app behavior
[04:39] <j__> grr
[04:40] <j__> i'm annoyed how this "just worked" in xubuntu 10, 11, and 12
[04:49] <j__> i shall attempt to see if installing "indicator-sound-gtk2" and editing "/usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-sound.service" to point to it fixes anything as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204 suggests
[04:51] <j_> alas no
[04:51] <j_> infinite tears and sadness for xfce audio applets everywhere
[04:51] <j_> and poor tired users
[04:51] <j_> :[
[04:52] <j_> thanks tho, MISTER CHANNEL
[04:52] <j_> peace
[05:03] <kristal> Oh god why does thunar take so long to start in 13.10... didn't have this problem until today
[05:37] <Jzarecta> hi I am running xubuntu on a small USB drive
[05:37] <Jzarecta> I want to 'abstract' my home, and my wifi connections, how can I do this?
[05:38] <Jzarecta> basically I dont want to put my wifi keys everytime I load (sorry I meant running on a CD not USB)
[05:39] <Viva_Caligula> Running on a live cd, nothing is persistant
[05:39] <Viva_Caligula> there may be a way to set it up as the cd is being made though
[05:40] <Jzarecta> viva right, but I want to have all these credentials on my phone, so when I connect my phone, and run a script it will 'configure' my wifi connection, etc...
[05:40] <Jzarecta> my phone will hold all these credentials of course.
[05:41] <Jzarecta> I just dont want to a) remember password, b) execute the commands everytime I boot, etc.
[05:41] <xyzone> only live usb can have persistence
[05:41] <Jzarecta> xyzone, well I want to use my phone for storage of all that
[05:42] <Jzarecta> I would probably need to create a user since mine is not xubuntu :)
[05:42] <xyzone> there is no default tool. you'll have to do a custom hack yourself
[05:42] <Jzarecta> so the script will generate my home, setup my wifi, mount my folders, etc.
[05:42] <Jzarecta> xyzone, that's why I am here, I would think this would be something people do usually.
[05:43] <Jzarecta> where can I load my wifi profiile?
[05:46] <Jzarecta> anyone?
[05:49] <Jzarecta> other question on xfce, is there a way to configure the behavior so that double click on the window is the same as 'shade'
[05:58] <Jzarecta> ah got it, it was on the advanced preferences.. at the very end.
[05:59] <Unit193> Jzarecta: /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/ files, and they have to be owned by root and 600.
[05:59] <Jzarecta> Unit193, ah thanks.
[06:01] <Unit193> And no, I wouldn't call this so standard, but nearly sounds like something I've done before. >_>
[06:02] <Jzarecta> Unit193, really? I would think people would like to 'save' their wifi credentials somewhere else.
[06:02] <Jzarecta> would be pretty embarassing getting locked out of your own wifi spots. :(
[06:03] <Unit193> Yeah, but that's different than saving the config file.
[06:03] <Unit193> And the scripts to setup home, networking, etc thing.
[06:04] <Jzarecta> Unit193, right, I want to have my ~ on my phone, since is the only stable thing I can count on following with me and wont die tomorrow like a USB, etc.
[06:06] <Jzarecta> Jzarecta, alternatively I wonder if I can just use my phone as a LiveUSB without disrupting the info I got there
[06:07] <Jzarecta> I dont really know how to go about isolinux and everything there.
[06:11] <xyzone> try installing live usb into your phone
[06:12] <Jzarecta> xyzone, ok will look how to do this, I already found a few links.
[06:12] <Jzarecta> thanks
[06:12] <xyzone> use unetbootin
[06:13] <Jzarecta> I tried that for my USBs but my laptop didnt pick it up, I have to go old school and burn it on a CD, and it did work.
[06:13] <Jzarecta> (yes I did changed the BIOS settings)
[06:14] <Jzarecta> I dont want unetbootin to errase my data on my phone, how can I do to prevent that?
[06:14] <xyzone> load it to the sd card
[06:14] <Jzarecta> should I partition my phone's SD card first? and just mount the partition?
[06:14] <Jzarecta> ok
[07:40] <xubuntu180> Hi
[07:42] <cfhowlett> xubuntu180, greetings
[07:42] <xubuntu180> I have a problem with GoldenDict
[07:43] <xubuntu180> I have 13.04 xubuntu and GoldenDict does'not work
[07:46] <cfhowlett> "doesn't work"????
[07:46] <cfhowlett> !details
[08:26] <Guest10047> hi I want to launch an event using the Orange calendar
[08:27] <cfhowlett> !cron
[08:27] <JZAbut> I can't seem to launch the sound player
[08:28] <JZA> cfhowlett: I want to know how can I launch the mp3 file from the command line if there is any.. I know that the default media player
[08:28] <JZA> but it has no default media player
[08:28] <cfhowlett> JZA, sure.  what's the player?
[08:28] <JZA> cfhowlett: well Parole
[08:29] <JZA> cfhowlett: and gmusicbrowser
[08:29] <JZA> I think gmusicbrowser uses gstreamer as the backend, not sure if I can use it from commandline
[08:29] <cfhowlett> JZA, parole?  what the hey?  gmusicbrowser?  launch from the command line gmusicbrowser help    or -help   should display the options
[08:30] <JZA> Parole Media Player, is the deefault in the xubuntu livecd
[08:30] <antithesis> I accidentally did sudo apt-get install xfce4 on Xubuntu and now my configuration has changed. For example, transparency doesn't work anymore (did compositing break?) and alt-dragging things has no more effect. How can I undo this?
[08:30] <antithesis> I'd like to just sudo apt-get remove xfce4 but then I'll lose the whole desktop environment
[08:31] <cfhowlett> JZA, I'm on ubuntustudio, i.e. xubuntu plus multimedia.  never heard of it ...
[08:32] <cfhowlett> antithesis, quick and easy:  go into /home   select and delete all .hidden files and folders      to clear all program settings
[08:39] <antithesis> Can't I uninstall just the packages that are inside xfce4, but not in xubuntu-desktop?
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> try   sudo apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop antithesis
[09:05] <antithesis> Okay I dun goof'd. I renamed my ~/.config/xfce4 to xfce4.bak and reinstalled xubuntu-desktop, but now my old configuration is completely lost and renaming the folder back doesn't change anything either
[09:06] <antithesis> plus, alt+dragging still doesn't move windows
[09:06] <antithesis> Is there any other configuration files xfce uses? I don't want to reconfigure it from scratch
[11:38] <linuxlite1969> cant set keyboard, first row of letters is azertyuiop but comes out as azerty456-
[11:42] <Guest93419> hi
[11:48] <Guest93419> hello
[11:48] <Guest93419> anybody?
[12:02] <olbi> hello, what do you need?
[12:02] <elfy> they left olbi :)
[12:05] <olbi> I saw it too late :P
[16:31] <Myr4ik> Привет! Есть кто-нибудь, кто говорит по русски?
[16:31] <ObrienDave> ru! | Myr4ik
[16:31] <Myr4ik> Это значит да?
[16:32] <ObrienDave> !bot
[16:34] <Myr4ik> Ок, попробуем напролом) В *nix системах я новичок, так что могу сильно тупить... Как включить vsync в xubuntu 13.04? Ставил драйвер NVIDIA с сайта, но vsync так и не заработал. Видеокарта - 8600GT
[16:34] <elfy> !ru
[16:35] <ObrienDave> dang i keep forgetting ! first
[19:04] <xubuntu954> Hello volounteers. A friend of mine has installed Xubuntu on my laptop to which I am completly new to. My wireless is not working due to it being permanently disabled (the wireless light will not turn from amber to blue). It is an hp dv7 1000ea and I have had this problem in the past. Is it something to do with the drivers, do they need updating and how would I do that on this OS?
[19:04] <xubuntu954> Also the keypad doesn't work either
[19:04] <xubuntu954> *volunteers
[19:06] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... i have had the wireless problem from a new kernel. has it worked under Xubuntu before?
[19:07] <xubuntu954> sorry not the keypad. the track pad. And no, I have had only versions of Windows before
[19:07] <ObrienDave> They updated the kernel within the past week or so
[19:07] <xubuntu954> the Kernel?
[19:08] <ObrienDave> did the wireless work under win?
[19:08] <xubuntu954> Yes
[19:09] <willem> Hi all
[19:09] <willem> I have a question
[19:09] <willem> I am installing xubuntu on my wife her laptop
[19:10] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... do you see an icon for networking on the taskbar?
[19:10] <willem> But it is a Samsung 5 series and it has issues with hibernate
[19:10] <xubuntu954> yes
[19:10] <willem> I found several solutions
[19:10] <willem> but which is recommandable?
[19:10] <willem> TuxOnIce?
[19:11] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... right click the icon, is "enable wi-fi" checked?
[19:11] <willem> Please help me out
[19:12] <willem> Nobody?
[19:12] <knome> !patience | willem
[19:12] <ObrienDave> willem... one thing at a time please. what kind of hibernate issues
[19:12] <xubuntu954> theres no 'enable wi-fi' when i right click the icon
[19:12] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... ok, right click and select edit connections
[19:13] <xubuntu954> yes
[19:13] <willem> I activated hibernate i powermanagement
[19:13] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... select add
[19:14] <willem> When I close the lid, and open again, the screen stays black but the fan works
[19:14] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... select wi-fi
[19:14] <willem> so I can not come back
[19:15] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... another window will appear. you will have to add SSID and password info
[19:15] <xubuntu954> sorry yes, there is enable netowrk and that is checked, however when I am not connected via cable it is unchecked. Okay, add
[19:16] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... does the wired connection work?
[19:16] <xubuntu954> yes I am on it now. What I think is that the wirless switch on the computer (which is touch control) has locked itself to 'OFF'
[19:18] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... ok, that could be a BIOS setting or you might have to enable it in windows before it will 'stay on' under Xubuntu. try both
[19:19] <xubuntu954> Okay, are you assuming the laptop is partitioned?
[19:21] <ObrienDave> no, usually the touch switch is controlled by BIOS. mine has a physical slide switch. yours is simply a toggle on a chip somewhere
[19:22] <xubuntu954> how do I access the BIOS settings on Xubuntu
[19:22] <ObrienDave> willem, have you tried moving mouse, hitting space bar, etc., coming out of hibernate?
[19:23] <ObrienDave> xubuntu954... umm, do you know how to get to the bios settings for your computer?
[19:23] <willem> Yes everything, powerbutton
[19:23] <willem> it is a know issue
[19:25] <xubuntu954> Okay, I'll try that. Thank you  ObrienDave
[19:26] <ObrienDave> willem... go to settings manager, power manager, extended, uncheck  "lock screen" at the bottom
[19:27] <willem> thank you but that is not what I mean, this is about screenprotection
[19:27] <willem> exampel: http://thecodecentral.com/2011/01/18/fix-ubuntu-10-10-suspendhibernate-not-working-bug
[19:28] <willem> it is a bug with several (not official) solutions.
[19:29] <ObrienDave> i guess i should have asked, what version of Xubuntu do you use?
[19:31] <willem> I use 13.04
[19:32] <ObrienDave> ok, let me try to hibernate. BRB
[19:35] <willem> it is laptop specific, my acer works fine, but the samsung just freezes
[19:36] <ObrienDave> back
[19:37] <ObrienDave> mine seems to work ok. when you come from hibernate, do you have any USB drives connected?
[19:38] <willem> no
[19:39] <willem> it is laptop dependant
[19:39] <ObrienDave> what model laptop?
[19:44] <ObrienDave> willem... have you read this? http://www.pauljoyceuk.com/codex/2012/howto-make-ubuntu-12-04-hibernate-successfully/
[19:44] <willem> yes
[19:44] <willem> but i am in doubt if this one is better: http://thecodecentral.com/2011/01/18/fix-ubuntu-10-10-suspendhibernate-not-working-bug
[19:46] <ObrienDave> i'm thinking the fix for that is too old for 13.04
[19:47] <ObrienDave> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[19:49] <ObrienDave> back in a few
[19:52] <ObrienDave> back
[19:54] <willem> how can i move a program to the dock?
[19:55] <ObrienDave> not sure if you can add just any program to the taskbar
[19:56] <willem> no the dock at the bottom
[19:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> is it a real dock, or the lower panel?
[19:57] <willem> lower panel
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> the lower panel, you right click, mouse over to panel, then click add new items
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> then you add a laucher
[19:57] <ObrienDave> i don't use the lower panel. can't help you there
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> right click the launcher to config for the app you want to launch
[19:57] <willem> thanks
[19:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> np
[19:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> you can also right click the launcher to move it
[19:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> I love xfce
[19:58] <ObrienDave> me too
[20:00] <willem> me too
[20:01] <willem> but i hope to get the hibernate issue solved
[20:02] <ObrienDave> well, I just added a launcher to the top panel in the same way ;))
[20:03] <ObrienDave> learn something new everyday :))
[20:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> ObrienDave, you can also move panel objects from one panel to another
[20:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> just by right clicking
[20:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> no need to delete and recreate
[20:16] <ObrienDave> didn't know that. I hate more than 1 panel. that's the first thing i get rid of. traditional menu kinda guy ;)
[20:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> I think the only object that can't be right-clicked to move is the indicator plugin.
[20:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> having 2 can be convenient. But, to each his/her own.
[20:18] <ObrienDave> if you mean the running app panel, yes, it can be moved by right click between icons ;)
[20:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> no, the one that shows your mixer and network
[20:19] <ObrienDave> yep, that's the one
[20:20] <ObrienDave> try really close to the bottom :)
[20:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> nvm, I got it. :)
[20:20] <ObrienDave> cool
[20:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> no, I'm right it's the indicator plugin.
[20:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> that's just the speaker
[20:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> but, you're right about the notification area
[20:24] <ObrienDave> ok, we're both correct :)
[20:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> still, it can be handled in panel preferences
[20:27] <ObrienDave> cool, good to know. thanks
[20:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> np
[23:41] <michaelwang32> is xbuntu good for a p4 with 1.75gb
[23:45] <michaelwang32> is xbuntu good for a p4 with 1.75gb