[01:20] <directhex> see, this is what i mean. 8 empty amd64 builders, and hours of i386 backlog
[01:22] <wgrant> directhex: There is a Grand Plan™ to pool the i386, amd64 and lpia builders, since they can all run all of the archs.
[01:22] <wgrant> I have an implementation that does this, but it's unclear how we should do scheduling.
[01:23] <wgrant> Because LP's scheduling algorithm is incredibly stupid.
[01:23] <wgrant> And will probably end up wildly unfair without some changes.
[01:25] <directhex> unfair towards whom?
[01:26] <wgrant> directhex: The extra i386 builds may block all amd64/lpia builds.  The distro team had some concerns about building them elsewhere, although it *should* work.
[01:35] <wgrant> We want to pool them anyway (because queue lengths differ for other reasons), and if we do then the issue goes away.
[01:38] <directhex> i know there's a tiny handful of packages (like, count-on-one-hand small) which are indep but must be built on specific arches
[01:38] <directhex> usually i386
[01:38] <wgrant> And occasionally powerpc :(
[01:41] <directhex> well, that one's frequency is even lower
[01:42] <directhex> (i.e. if memory serves it's one package, something like a powerpc rom used for emulation or somesuch)
[01:46] <wgrant> directhex: Yeah, openhackware.
[07:39] <SpamapS> Anybody know if there is a plan to support external bug reports at http://developer.berlios.de/ ?
[07:40] <SpamapS> Looks like a sourceforge based site, so it should be relatively easy
[07:44] <fta2> hm.. security.ubuntu.com is barely reachable, verrry slow
[07:47] <fta2> lol, apt-get says ETA<PHONE_NUMBER>34601d 6h 53min 23s
[07:51] <noodles775> fta2: confirmed, also v. slow here... I'll let the IS guys know.
[07:56] <fta2> noodles775, thanks. i managed to pull oo after 5 or 6 retries. seems it's not a particular IP though. both <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> timed out on me
[07:56] <fta2> *
[08:00] <noodles775> fta2: np... thanks for the heads-up. The IS guys are looking at it now (and yes, it's just related to the OOo security fix).
[09:31] <fta2> thekorn, hi, I just released the code for my PPA dashboards: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+junk/ppa-dashboard.trunk
[09:32] <fta2> thekorn, it's my 1st program in python so please be nice ;)
[09:33] <bigjools> fta2: that looks interesting
[09:35] <noodles775> bigjools: you can see it in action at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/ppa-dashboard/mozillateam--ffox35.html
[09:36] <bigjools> yeah I saw
[09:50] <fta2> this is what i meant when i said last week that it was slow: http://paste.ubuntu.com/446539/
[09:51] <fta2> (and this version is 2~3 times faster than the old one)
[09:56] <bigjools> :(
[10:05] <fta2> indeed
[10:17] <glen> hey. i can't merge this merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~poing/eventum/po/+merge/27009 can i somehow specify the base version to be merged? it's actually just single file to be added...
[10:26] <thekorn> fta2, super thanks, I'll have a look at it during my lunch break
[10:28] <maxb> glen: The reason you can't merge is with bzr is because the author of the branch did something rather silly. You should just take the individual file from that branch as if they'd just sent you that file alone
[10:33] <maxb> I have a non-operational query for a losa, if there's one around: Do you have a canned query to report all the branches stacked on a given branch? If so, can you run it on lp:~russel/groovy/trunk ?
[10:33] <mthaddon> maxb: I'm not aware of one I'm afraid
[10:33] <maxb> fair enough
[10:33] <maxb> I'll play around in a dev launchpad db
[10:35] <BlackZ> we're not able to rename our LP team, somebody knows the reason?
[10:36] <BlackZ> we have tried many time
[10:44] <maxb> Does it have a PPA
[10:44] <maxb> ?
[10:46] <BlackZ> maxb: no
[10:46] <BlackZ> just the mailing list
[10:54] <fta2> thekorn, you can see how i run it by doing view-source in my pages (in the sig). add -v to see the perfs
[10:55] <maxb> BlackZ: It sounds entirely possible that a mailing list would block the rename, but if you don't get a clear error message stating why, that's a bug
[10:57] <BlackZ> maxb: we could try to delete the mailing list and then re-try
[10:57] <BlackZ> otherwise we will file a question (is that correct?)
[10:58] <maxb> I'm fairly sure you can't delete a mailing list entirely without admin assistance, so you should probably file a question instead
[10:59] <BlackZ> maxb: thanks
[11:03] <hrw> ho
[11:05] <hrw> is there any usable way to filter LP generated emails?
[11:05] <hrw> bug emails are quite simple: X-Launchpad-Bug: header exists
[11:06] <hrw> but blueprint emails? only "X-Generated-By: Launchpad" or X-Launchpad-Hash: exists but those exists also in other emails
[11:11] <hrw> or emails with notes about being added to groups or PPA access grants
[13:07] <kalib> Hi there. What's goin on with launchpad? I have created a project to translate some po files. Have uploaded 2 po files to my project. I saw them on a queue list. But, on the next day when I checked the queue list, for my surprise. It was empty. I didn't receive any note explaning why. The files weren't accepted?
[13:07] <fta2> bigjools, what's the status of bug 589068? is it supposed to work now?
[13:07] <bigjools> fta2: it's not fixed yet - it only affects packages that would be rejected anyway so it's not high on the list compared to other more urgent fixes, but we'll get to it ASAP
[13:08] <dpm> hi kalib, it would be helpful if you could give us a link to the project where you saw this happening. henninge ^
[13:08] <fta2> bigjools, why would my packages be rejected?
[13:09] <bigjools> fta2: I can't answer that
[13:09] <fta2> bigjools, afaik, mine are correct, no reason to reject them
[13:10] <kalib> dpm, https://launchpad.net/~archlinux-br
[13:10] <fta2> bigjools, but well, i'm redirecting users complaining about lack of upgrades to this bug
[13:10] <kalib> dpm, by the way... the files I was trying to upload were .po and .pot
[13:11] <bigjools> fta2: like I said, we'll get to it.  there are a lot of urgent bugs to fix after 10.05 was released and we can't do all of them at once
[13:11] <fta2> ok
[13:11] <bigjools> everyone's bugs are important
[13:12] <bigjools> fta2: and I could be wrong about the rejection thing, sorry, I was thinking of a different bug
[13:16] <cos^> great, launchpad is fast again
[13:18] <fta2> bigjools, note that i didn't complain.. i just asked for the status ;)
[13:19] <bigjools> fta2: :)
[13:22] <kalib> dpm, any idea?
[13:24] <dpm> kalib, I've had a quick look at https://translations.launchpad.net/~archlinux-br , but that seems to be a team, not a project. What's the URL of the translatable project you're experiencing the problems with?
[13:25] <kalib> that's the problem dpm...
[13:26] <kalib> it was supposed to be https://translations.launchpad.net/archlinux-br
[13:26] <kalib> and https://translations.launchpad.net/archlinux-br/+imports
[13:26] <kalib> It was working... I did upload the files... etc.
[13:26] <kalib> but now.. it looks like it dissapeared.. :/
[13:27] <henninge> kalib: yes, by policy we don't register translation projects for a spceficit language.
[13:27] <henninge> actually, it's technically unwise, too.
[13:27] <kalib> what you mean?
[13:28] <kalib> we can't use launchpad to translate our po files?
[13:28] <kalib> only if were for more than one language?
[13:28] <henninge> kalib: you should talk to the maintainer of archlinux to enable translations for the distribution.
[13:28] <kalib> got it..
[13:35] <cos^> is there way to request build in series, not parallel? i have a lib and app which depends on lib. i'd like to build them in order so the app build won't fail due to dependencies.
[13:43] <maxb> Only by timing the uploads appropriately
[15:00] <BUGabundo_remote>  mew
[15:00] <BUGabundo_remote> LP tags field should be larger
[15:00] <BUGabundo_remote> I can't even read what's in there, much less edit it
[15:01] <nealmcb> I'm trying to report a bug with apport, and it keeps telling me "Searching for your bug in Launchpad took too long".  I'm using edge.  Why is this?  How can I just tell it to add the crash data to bug 448803?
[15:01] <BUGabundo_remote> what's the UI project to file such a bug?
[15:02] <jpds> nealmcb: I think 'apport-collect 448803'  should do it.
[15:02] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: launchpad-bugs
[15:02] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks
[15:04] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/591274
[15:07] <nealmcb> jpds: Thanks.   Is launchpad just really slow now?Is there a way to do it from the launchpad interface, without re-uploading the data?
[15:08] <nealmcb> It just seems that the way this is working now would likely result in unnecessary duplicate bugs
[15:10] <nealmcb> Even searching for just "bug 448803" gets me the same message and it looks like ubot5 ran into a problem also....
[15:10] <nealmcb> (good job that time, ubot5!)
[15:24] <nealmcb> jpds: it says: You are not the reporter or subscriber of this problem report, or the report is a duplicate or already closed.  Please create a new report using "apport-bug". - So I subscribed.   Now apport-collect is hung - sigh.
[15:24] <nealmcb> tried again and got: You are not the reporter of this problem report. It is much easier to mark a bug as a duplicate of another than to move your comments and attachments to a new bug. Subsequently, we recommend that you file a new bug report using "apport-bug" and make a comment in this bug about the one you file. Do you really want to proceed?
[15:24]  * nealmcb is not enjoying the run-around :/
[15:40] <nealmcb> Trying to follow thru on my original apport-launchpad session now yields:  OOPS-1620N1386
[15:41] <nealmcb> If launchpad is just hosed now, that's fine - I understand that.  But this seems like a very odd runaround where it first looks to avoid dups, then tells me dups are better.  What's up?
[15:43] <nealmcb> doing a reload of the oops page worked fine.  Finally :)
[15:44] <jcastro> deryck: howdy, have you started on any of the work assessments for the patches and bugs specs?
[15:47] <barry> sinzui: hiya! you're the help contact today?
[15:48] <sinzui> I am
[15:48] <barry> awesome.  i'm having trouble with ppas, would you be able to help?
[15:48] <sinzui> mailman/feedback hates my PGP signed messages...that is why the list never got my emails
[15:49] <sinzui> This has been 18 painful months of CHR and registry work
[15:49] <barry> is it filtering on those attachments?  or signed message in general?  (shouldn't be the latter since i sign everything)
[15:49] <barry> how did you figure it out?  ;)
[15:49] <sinzui> I have no idea. I sent a barrage of emails to the list to see which landed
[15:50] <sinzui> I did this before and though the issue was my -- sig, but I now believe it was the GPG signing. that also explains why my script emails were accepted
[15:50] <sinzui> so how can I help
[15:50] <barry> how odd
[15:51] <barry> sinzui: i'm having trouble building a ppa.  it looks like the buildd is not able to satisfy some dependencies, but i thought it pulls dependencies from: your ppa, main, universe
[15:51] <sinzui> I think you monkey patched MM to hate my signed messages
[15:51] <barry> sinzui: oh, you found that
[15:51] <barry> :)
[15:52] <bigjools> barry: check the dependencies page to see if they got changed
[15:52]  * sinzui thinks
[15:52] <noodles775> barry: are you getting chroot fail? I saw that earlier, but think it was actually related to timeouts accessing archive.*... can you paste the link for the build.
[15:52] <sinzui> barry, It does, but I learned recently when playing with unstable that the deps I thought were in the series were removed.
[15:53] <barry> bigjools: it says Ubuntu dependencies: Default and Ubuntu components: Use all
[15:53] <barry> noodles775, sinzui i am trying to build packages for maverick
[15:54] <barry> this is one of the build failure pages: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/49915587/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.gnome-python_2.28.1-1ubuntu4~ppa0_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:54] <barry> i'm sure i'm doing something wrong ;)
[15:55] <barry> but this excerpt is confusing me:
[15:55] <barry> gnome-python_2.28.1-1ubuntu4~ppa0.dsc exists in cwd
[15:55] <barry> ** Using build dependencies supplied by package:
[15:55] <barry> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= <IP_ADDRESS>), gnome-pkg-tools (>= 0.10), python-all-dev (>= 2.5), python-all-dbg (>= 2.5), python-support (>= 0.7.6), python-gobject-dev (>= 2.17.0), python-gtk2-dev (>= 2.10.3), python-pyorbit-dev (>= 2.0.1-4), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.6.0), libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.6.0), libgnome2-dev (>= 2.8.0), libgnomeui-dev (>= 2.8.0), libgnomecanvas2-dev (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-dev (>= 2.14.0), libgconf
[15:55] <barry> libbonobo2-dev (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-dev (>= 2.8.0), gtk-doc-tools, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.19), quilt
[15:55] <barry> Checking for already installed source dependencies...
[15:55] <barry> debhelper: missing
[15:55] <barry>
[15:56] <barry> is that telling me that it's trying to satisfy the debhelper dependency, but can't?
[15:58] <maxb> barry: You need to look lower, that's just saying that it intends to try to install debhelper later
[15:58] <noodles775> Right at the end of the log.
[15:58] <barry> ah, wait: maybe the problem isn't with debhelper but with one of the other packages it's trying to install, since it's doing them all with one apt-get line?
[15:59] <maxb> Were this any architecture by i386 I'd blame arch-all skew
[15:59] <maxb> s/by/but/
[15:59] <barry> maxb: yeah, that's what mvo suggested but this is the third time i've tried.  i think i have to manually chase the dependency chain
[16:01] <maxb> apt is often cryptic, but this one is especially so
[16:02] <barry> maxb: it's a bit petulant in this case :)
[16:10] <deryck> hi jcastro.  Sorry was on call.
[16:11] <deryck> jcastro, I haven't started yet.  I'm working through the items today and tomorrow to make sure they're covered by devs.  Then we'll work on them over the next 2-3 months.
[16:11] <deryck> jcastro, that plan sound good to you?
[16:14] <jcastro> deryck: yep, we're just getting smoked by WI's, so if you have any that you know you're going to defer ... :)
[16:15] <deryck> jcastro, gotcha :-)  I did notice jono's post on the community team a week or so back and thought, wow what a lot of work. :-)
[16:17] <jcastro> indeed
[16:24] <dholbach> hola
[16:25] <dholbach> is it a known problem that LP API gives me 503s consistently? I'm using edge
[16:48] <maxb> barry: gah. figured it out. It's because there's a python transition in progress in maverick, and python-gobject etc. is uninstallable
[17:34] <SpamapS> Anybody know if there is a plan to support external bug reports at http://developer.berlios.de/ ?
[17:44] <deryck> SpamapS, you register the tracker yourself if we don't already know about it.
[17:45] <SpamapS> deryck: ooohhhhh.. I didn't know I could do that. :)
[17:46] <deryck> SpamapS, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers for the list and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker to register a new one.
[17:47] <deryck> SpamapS, if the tracker has our plugin installed or is bugzilla 3.4 or later, we can sync statuses and comments.
[18:16] <pmatulis> anything wrong with bugs.launchpad.net?
[18:16] <geser> why?
[18:16] <pmatulis> it doesn't work
[18:18] <geser> what *exactly* doesn't work?
[18:18] <pmatulis> Timeout error
[18:18] <pmatulis> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[18:18] <pmatulis> We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[18:18] <pmatulis> Trying again in a couple of minutes might work.
[18:18] <pmatulis> (Error ID: OOPS-1620G1637)
[18:18] <pmatulis> .
[18:18] <pmatulis> clear enough?
[18:19] <salgado> pmatulis, bug 590992, it seems
[18:19] <rye> "You have used your Single Sign On ID to access a site which is not recognised by Launchpad Login Service:" - looks like overescaped string
[18:19] <pmatulis> salgado: thanks
[18:26] <SpamapS> Ok, so I added this bug tracker here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/berlios-bugs   .. but when I try to add a link to it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/net-tools/+bug/199702/+choose-affected-product (link: http://developer.berlios.de/bugs/?func=detailbug&bug_id=16913&group_id=4537)  I still get the error:
[18:26] <SpamapS> "Launchpad does not recognize the bug tracker at this URL.
[18:26] <SpamapS> "
[18:27] <fta> thekorn, did you have a chance to look at my code yet?
[18:31] <sinzui> SpamapS, I so not think that berlios is an SF derivative
[18:32] <SpamapS> sinzui: its a very old SF version from what I can tell.
[18:32] <sinzui> SpamapS, deryck. I know there is no documentation on how to tell, but I read the code recently and believe that the url must have group_id and atid to work
[18:32] <SpamapS> sinzui: ah so have to register each project as its own tracker?
[18:32] <sinzui> No
[18:33] <SpamapS> at the bottom.. "SourceForge is a trademark or registered trademark of VA Software Corporation in the United States"
[18:35] <sinzui> SpamapS, deryck: Again i read the code recently try to understand what bugtrackers are so broken from the user perspective. We assume all sf trackers re shared my many projects. For projects (I do not know about source packages) there is a remote_product field that is used to workout the group_id and atid. if it is blank the code false back to the projects sourceforge field
[18:35] <sinzui> SpamapS, deryck: this is what I noted https://dev.launchpad.net/Registry/BugConfiguration
[18:37] <SpamapS> well either way, the bug is already committed .. so I don't think it matters all that much.. but I figured for future cases it would be nice to have it there
[18:38] <SpamapS> I can't edit net-tools from what I can see, so I can't set remote_product .. nor do I see any documentation on exactly what I'd need to set it to. :-/
[18:38] <sinzui> Spam I am a registry admin. I can set /net-tools to the new bug tracker
[18:39] <SpamapS> sinzui: ok.. that would be really awesome. :)
[18:39] <sinzui> Done
[18:40] <thekorn> fta, no, sorry, I only had a quick look over the code, but was unable to test it, because I had no lplib installed on my system at work, will try to play with the dashboard tzthis evening
[18:41] <SpamapS> sinzui: heh, now I got OOPS-1620E1769
[18:42] <SpamapS> sinzui: yeah, now something is very broken whenever hitting this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/net-tools/+bug/199702/+choose-affected-product
[18:45] <sinzui> SpamapS, I do not think that func belongs in the URL, but I cannot find a better url
[18:56]  * deryck is glad sinzui is working on bug tracker config
[18:57] <deryck> Is the problem that we make assumptions about all SF derivates, but the assumptions don't hold?
[19:44] <jcastro> abentley: okk so one of the upstreams I am interested in for daily builds has a submodule
[19:44] <jcastro> and the automated import fails because of this
[19:45] <jcastro> is there something we can do for vcs-imports to make this work?
[19:45] <jcastro> or would we have to update the repository format?
[19:45] <abentley> jcastro, no.  Importing submodules requires changes to bzr itself.
[19:46] <jcastro> abentley: ok so what do you recommend?
[19:47] <abentley> jcastro, use james_w's import if there is one.
[19:47] <jcastro> he's importing upstream trunks?
[19:48] <abentley> jcastro, no.
[19:48] <abentley> jcastro, lack of submodule support is bug 402814
[21:17] <paultag> hey LP hackers. I'm cleaning up my LP Profile and there is one project that never even got started (( my buddy bailed on me ). Can I request you purge the project?
[21:19] <micahg> paultag: you can file a request here: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[21:19] <paultag> ty micahg
[21:20] <marti1125> hi, me url of mi account is https://launchpad.net/~marti1003-deactivatedaccount "deactivatedaccount" why?
[21:24] <BlackZ> marti1125: I can see your account as activated. Did you recently deactivated and reactivated your account?
[21:25] <BlackZ> marti1125: and that's your launchpad ID, you have chosen that as ID (you can change it)
[21:25] <marti1125> https://launchpad.net/~marti1125
[21:26] <marti1125> name! i put marti1003-de..
[21:26] <BlackZ> marti1125: yeah, you changed it
[21:26] <marti1125> ok :D!
[21:26] <BlackZ> have a nice day
[22:04] <lfaraone> james_w: hey, for some reason https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/sugar-0.88/lucid has an older version in VCS than rmadison is reported that is available in Lucid. (same with the maverick branch)
[22:53] <barry> maxb: which python transition is in progress?  i'm slowly trying to build everything up for py27 in my ppa
[23:41] <james_w> lfaraone: please report a bug on the 'udd' project
[23:53]  * asac says good bye


[00:20] <smallfoot-> put 2.6.37 in maverick!!!
[09:41] <janimo> where is the latest omap3 kernel deb? I am confused by the different packages all having omap in their names
[09:42] <janimo> I looked on ports.* and archive.*
[09:43] <apw> janimo, it was built out of the linux package, so it would be in the launchpad librarian.  i believe arm is put on ports though
[09:43] <janimo> apw, I see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/linux-image-omap_<IP_ADDRESS>.14_armel.deb on LP
[09:44] <janimo> but it is small (not multiMb)
[09:44] <apw> yeah thats the meta package
[09:45] <apw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/armel/linux-image-2.6.37-12-omap/2.6.37-12.26
[09:46] <janimo> apw, thanks, so this should end up in the archives as well if not there already
[09:46] <janimo> ?
[09:49] <janimo> ah, found it, under linux/ (I wa expecting that to be before linux-atm in the directory listing)
[09:51] <janimo> is omap4 not built from the same source to reduce build times?
[10:08] <ogra> janimo, omap4 has its own source, there are about 1200 patches that arent upstream yet
[10:09] <ogra> janimo, also, you would extend build times by adding another armel arch
[10:13] <janimo> maybe later when versatile is dropped and omap4 patches are a bit more upstream it can be put in the same source
[10:16] <ogra> thats the plan but first TI has to upstream their patches
[10:16] <ogra> until then we will build from their sourcetree
[10:16] <stefanlsd> hi kernel team!  does anyone know if DMAR will be included by default soon / a kernel exists i can use - or i need to build my own for now if i want it...
[10:16] <stefanlsd> specifically looking at bug #639712
[10:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 639712 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "PCI Pass Through via libvirt cannot remap IRQ's (affects: 3) (heat: 41)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639712
[14:07] <cnd> cking, a friend of mine filed this odd bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/697959
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 697959 in linux (Ubuntu) "Brightness hotkeys only work after suspending/resuming system. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[14:07] <cnd> I was wondering if you have seen anything like it before?
[14:14] <cking> cnd, I've observed the converse, they work until one does S3
[14:14] <cnd> heh
[14:14] <cnd> is it a bios bug?
[14:15] <cking> possibly
[14:15] <cking> it's a tosh
[14:15] <cking> so likely
[14:15] <cnd> heh
[14:15] <cnd> thanks!
[14:15] <cking> could try the latest natty kernel to see if any upstream fixes may address it
[14:16] <tgardner> cnd, http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu has the current kernel built for Lucid
[14:17] <cnd> tgardner, ok, I'll point him at it
[14:30] <84XABIUT3> hello all.. does someone know when this workaround will be used? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604122 i need to put some files on my sd-card..
[14:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604122 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00030000 even though no command operation was in progress. (affects: 7) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:31] <84XABIUT3> isn't that possible yet? why isn't it workarounded by CONFIG_MMC_RICOH_MMC=n ?!?
[14:32] <84XABIUT3> i don't think it's good for the look of *buntu if so simple things won't work.. and i'm sorry, i'm a bit in a hurry, i have to break up in 30 minutes and just liked to move these files to work... :s
[14:32] <84XABIUT3> but i couldn't do anything without that...
[14:34] <84XABIUT3> is there no solution for now?
[14:35] <84XABIUT3> ping
[14:36] <84XABIUT3> no one of 123 users is active yet? all sleeping?
[14:38] <84XABIUT3> i don't like to stress, but so simple things like these should be able to going, not?
[14:38] <84XABIUT3> it isn't possible in any **** way?
[14:39] <84XABIUT3> hello all.. does someone know when this workaround will be used? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604122 i need to put some files on my sd-card..
[14:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604122 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00030000 even though no command operation was in progress. (affects: 7) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:41] <84XABIUT3> ping
[14:48] <apw_> without knowing why that module param was enabled it is hard to just turn it off
[14:54] <apw__> tgardner: moin, do you remember us enabling ricoh MMC driver support ... it rings a bell but i cannot recall the specifics
[14:55] <tgardner> apw: no memory
[15:03] <apw> 84XABIUT3, there are many little niggles and not all are trivially fixable.  we'd need to figure out why it was turned on to work out the downside
[15:22] <tgardner> apw, #define pm_qos_add_request(_req, _class, _value) do {                   \
[15:22] <tgardner>         (_req)->request = pm_qos_add_request((_class), (_value));       \
[15:22] <tgardner>     } while (0)
[15:24] <apw> #define FOO FOO
[15:29] <smoser> i have a quick git question i'm sure someone here can answer
[15:30] <smoser> i did: git clone --bare git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/linux-2.6 linux-2.6.git
[15:30] <smoser> then
[15:30] <smoser> git clone --bare --reference linux-2.6.git git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-${rel};
[15:30] <smoser> then, later, i can 'git fetch' inside the linux-2.6.git directory to update it
[15:30] <smoser> but if i try in ubuntu-lucid.git, i get: $ git fetch
[15:30] <smoser> fatal: Where do you want to fetch from today?
[15:31] <tgardner> smoser, try 'git fetch origin'
[15:33] <smoser> hm.. it must have been user error, i dont know that i told the truth completely above.
[15:33] <smoser> i added a config stanza to 'config' like:
[15:33] <smoser> [remote "origin"]
[15:33] <smoser>         fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*
[15:33] <smoser>         url = git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git
[15:33] <smoser> then it worked.
[15:34] <tgardner> smoser, hmm, I think its because you cloned as a '--bare' repository.
[15:35] <smoser> i would have thoguht it would still record that... i think i also might have lost the '--reference'  bit . at least there is nothing in config suggesting that it should do reference.
[15:36] <tgardner> I think --reference makes soft links down in your object tree
[15:37] <smoser> i thoguht htey were hard links... but either way, it would have to "remember" that to continue getting benefit across subsequent fetchs. or maybe i'm missing something.
[15:38] <apw> smoser, the cross linking is via .git/object/info/alternates file
[15:38] <tgardner> smoser, well, they are some kind of link. if you move linux-2.6.git, then ubuntu-lucid.git becomes unuseable
[15:39] <smoser> apw, thanks: $ cat objects/info/alternates
[15:39] <smoser>  /media/archive/linux/linux-2.6.git/objects
[15:39] <smoser> so, it is recorded there.
[15:40] <smoser> tgardner, thanks for your help.
[17:33] <jdstrand> sbeattie: since jj is away, you are getting my question :)
[17:33] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I got this running the apparmor kernel regression tests:
[17:33] <sbeattie> jdstrand: ruh-roh
[17:33] <jdstrand> cc  -lapparmor -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes    changeprofile.c   -o changeprofile
[17:33] <jdstrand> /tmp/ccrZP2V9.o: In function `main':
[17:33] <jdstrand> changeprofile.c:(.text+0x2aa): undefined reference to `aa_change_profile'
[17:33] <jdstrand> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[17:33] <jdstrand> make: *** [changeprofile] Error 1
[17:33] <jdstrand> sbeattie: that is kinda an important function for libvirt
[17:34] <jdstrand> sbeattie: are you familiar with what is going on?
[17:34] <jdstrand> $ cat /proc/version_signature
[17:34] <jdstrand> Ubuntu 2.6.37-12.26-server 2.6.37
[17:34] <sbeattie> no libapparmor1 available?
[17:34] <jdstrand> sbeattie: notice the -12.26
[17:34] <jdstrand> ii  libapparmor1                    2.6~devel+bzr1616-0ubuntu1         changehat AppArmor library
[17:35] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I am testing a new 1616
[17:35] <jdstrand> sbeattie: oh, could this be related to your r1616 commit?
[17:35] <jdstrand> sbeattie: probably: 'dynamically link in libapparmor library in libapparmor's testsuite'
[17:36] <jdstrand> (I do have libapparmor-dev installed too)
[17:36] <jdstrand> sbeattie: we can take this to #apparmor. I misread the error
[17:37] <sbeattie> jdstrand: hrm, 1616 is internal in the libapparmor testsuite.
[17:37] <jdstrand> sbeattie: this is running qrt which runs the kernel regression testsuite in apparmor
[17:37] <sbeattie> jdstrand: sure, we can head to #apparmor
[18:36] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[18:37] <pr0ph3t> I have git and the kernel sources, but I am not sure how to apply a specific patch to my kernel before recompiling it, the patch is at this address http://dev.iksaif.net/issues/108. Help please !
[18:43]  * tgardner --> lunch
[18:54]  * cking calls it a day
[19:57]  * JFo goes to make coffee
[20:39] <Kano> hi apw
[20:40] <Kano> did you notice that rt2800usb and rt2870sta share the same usb ids?
[20:41] <Kano> just that the rt2800usb driver does not really work correctly..
[20:49] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[20:50] <pr0ph3t>  how can I point out politely that a driver should be merged with mainline? I can't recompile everytime I want to update kernel!
[20:53] <pr0ph3t> the driver is already in mainline but it is bugged and a patch has been created, but I have to recompile the kernel everytime and I only have a laptop with ULV CPU
[21:25] <bguthro> pr0ph3t: Submit the patch to lkml. The developers here don't control what is merged into mainline
[22:03] <hallyn> anyone here been closely following bkl removal patchsets?


[09:18] <alexlist> Hi... I am re-familiarizing myself with packaging and could need some advice ... is anyone using the (experimental) 3.0 (bzr) source format here?
[09:19] <mgz> I don't think so
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
[16:50] <Wiz_KeeD> How can i set a bzr repo on a server from which i can push locally via ssh to make changes?
[16:51] <mgz> just create a branch on a server you have ssh access to
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> with bzr-init repo
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> and the bzr init
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[17:06] <mgz> or any other means of getting a branch on there, scp from local, for instance
[18:06] <achiang> 'allo, someone checked large binary files into our tree; i am bzr rm'ing them now, but is there a way to wipe them from history too, so that pulling the branch doesn't take forever?
[18:07] <spiv> achiang: not easily
[18:07] <achiang> bleah
[18:08] <spiv> achiang: probably the easiest path is to make a new repository from just before the point the large files were added, then rebase the later history on top.
[18:08] <achiang> spiv: ok, that seems doable
[18:08] <achiang> spiv: thanks
[18:08] <spiv> Yeah, it's doable.  Just not what I'd call easy :)
[20:44] <achiang> "The downside to cherrypicking is that Bazaar does not track cherrypicked revisions, although this feature is firmly on the wish list."
[20:44] <achiang> does this mean when i cherry pick revisions, i don't get changelogs and individual commits?
[20:44] <achiang> (because that is what i experimentally observe)
[20:46] <jelmer> achiang: basically
[20:47] <achiang> jelmer: thanks
[20:47] <jelmer> achiang: it sounds like what you want isn't actually cherrypicking tracking though - since you don't care about the relation to the old history
[20:47] <jelmer> you want to have a look at "bzr replay" from the bzr-rewrite plugin
[20:49] <achiang> jelmer: looking
[20:54] <achiang> jelmer: thanks, replay does what i want, except did i find a bug in how it handles revspecs?
[20:55] <achiang> jelmer: i did: bzr replay -r4..9 ../otherbranch
[20:55] <achiang> jelmer: and i would have expected it to commit r5, r6, r7, r8, and r9 into 'currentbranch'
[20:55] <jelmer> achiang: it's experimental, and has some known issues
[20:55] <achiang> jelmer: instead, it committed r4, r5, r6, r7, and r8
[20:57] <achiang> jelmer: fair enough, just giving a heads up that i think the behavior is different from what standard 'bzr merge' does...
[20:57] <achiang> from the bzr merge man page:
[20:57] <achiang> If you specify two values, "--revision BASE..OTHER", only revisions BASE
[20:57] <achiang>   through OTHER, excluding BASE but including OTHER, will be merged.
[20:57] <achiang> so it's like (a, b]
[20:57] <achiang> but what i got from replay was [a, b)
[20:58] <achiang> or rather, how replay handled the -r arg was [a, b)
[22:19] <rozzin> Who should I be bothering about a Windows build of Bazaar 2.6.0?
[22:22] <mgrandi> Hello, i'm curious about how bazaar 'handles' renaming of directories
[22:23] <mgrandi> Renaming a directory
[22:23] <mgrandi>     does not count as renaming all its contents.
[22:23] <mgrandi> sorry, that is a comment in delta.py, and sure enough if i get the delta of a revision that renamed a directory, the stuff inside the directory is not in any of the DeltaTree lists
[22:24] <mgrandi> err TreeDelta*
[22:24] <mgrandi> so basically i have a post commit hook that is interfacing with another version control system, and when i rename a directory i dont see that any of the stuff inside gets renamed so...im confused on how bazaar handles this
[22:25] <lifeless> the directory is a first class object itself
[22:25] <lifeless> objects in a directory tree are (parent, name, kind, mode, content) tuples, basically.
[22:26] <lifeless> a rename occurs when either parent or name change.
[22:26] <lifeless> For instance bzr mv foo bar
[22:26] <lifeless> changes the name
[22:26] <mgrandi> yeah
[22:26] <lifeless> and bzr mv foo/file bar/file
[22:26] <lifeless> changes the parent
[22:26] <lifeless> when you rename a directory: bzr mv dir1 dir2
[22:26] <mgrandi> so, how do i detect or figure out when a directory has changed for instance? like in a post_commit hook
[22:26] <mgrandi> or is there no nice way to do that
[22:26] <lifeless> the children of dir1 keep the same parent, and the same name.
[22:27] <lifeless> look at the kind
[22:27] <mgrandi> hmm.
[22:27] <mgrandi> So im guessing there is no nice way to do that
[22:27] <mgrandi> and i just have to see if its a directory
[22:27] <mgrandi> and then figure out all the 'children' of that directory then rename them in the hook? (for the other vcs)
[22:27] <lifeless> Your question has it's own answer: to see when a directory has changed, see if the thing that has changed is a directory.
[22:27] <mgrandi> yeah.
[22:28] <mgrandi> I just have to figure out whats in that directory and rename those as well
[22:28] <mgrandi> I'm using bazaar to interface with "team foundation server'
[22:28] <lifeless> yes; you'll want to exclude from that any things that have been moved outside of the directory as part of the same commit
[22:28] <lifeless> mgrandi: someone wrote a tfs plugin
[22:28] <lifeless> mgrandi: you could just use that :)
[22:28] <mgrandi> haha that would be great
[22:28] <lifeless> I *think* they released it, not sure.
[22:28] <mgrandi> mine is just a simple post commit hook that just runs add/edit/remove/rename on the tree delta stuff
[22:29] <mgrandi> but then silly things like...tfs doesn't rename stuff inside directories like bazaar does
[22:29] <mgrandi> if you could find that, that would be great.
[22:30] <mgrandi> is it this? https://launchpad.net/bzr-tfs
[22:32] <lifeless> sounds like it :)
[22:53] <mgrandi> seems like it doesn't work on 2.6, maybe have to edit it a little bit..
[22:58] <mgrandi> its trying to register a custom transport, but the method it wants isn't there anymore
[22:58] <mgrandi> BzrDirFormat.register_control_server_format(TfsControlFormat)
[22:58] <mgrandi> any idea where that got moved to?


[00:06] <krytarik> OvenWerks: I asked knome to move it to under  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio - now you just need to adapt the link to still.
[00:12] <OvenWerks> krytarik: (and knome) thank you. Link is fixed to match.
[00:14] <krytarik> Coolio.
[00:17] <OvenWerks> krytarik: I have seen the same question a few times so I thought a place to point at would be nice.
[00:20] <krytarik> Yes, and I can imagine our users won't be the only ones benefiting from this. :P


[11:46] <grigora> i have a 04:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05), i have wpa-supplicant installed, but my Network Manager still does not give an option to configure my wireless interface via WPA? Any ideas what might be the problem?
[11:46] <coral_> csc`: I did xrandr -s 1 now, and my fluxbox is working yes. The resolution there is set at 2560 as standard, even if that resolution isn't existing in my xorg. D
[11:46] <orudie> Creed, i shouldn't update should i?
[11:46] <ward_> HighNo, so basically i can delete that file as long as i do a reinstall?
[11:46] <ward_> i think i know what u mean :-)
[11:46] <magnetron> grigora: are you using ndiswrapper?
[11:47] <HighNo> ward_: all I heard then was "if I wipe that partition, will grub still work" and then the answer would be no
[11:47] <Creed> orudie, the version you got from the launchpad repo differes from the same file available in another repo that the Update Manager is finding. You can try updating but I believe the launchpad repo has a more recent version.
[11:47] <petya> boring
[11:47] <orudie> Creed, i would rather stick with what i have now
[11:47] <orudie> Creed, can you please look up the problem
[11:47] <orudie> Creed, are you saying someone else had the same problem with the same card?
[11:48] <orudie> Creed, please man
[11:48] <ward_> HighNo, so if i go to windows right now, and delete the whole ubuntu partition, i'm unable to boot untill i reinstall ubuntu?
[11:48] <HighNo> ward_: yes, because the whole grub will be reinstalled in a functional way. If you didn't change that file by hand you're not losing anything. the installation should find a preinstalled windows and put it into the menu - if there was one
[11:48] <grigora> magnetron: not that i know of ...
[11:48] <HighNo> ward_: yes, thats the point
[11:48] <Creed> orudie, yeah a friend of mine who i got into using ubuntu has the same card as you and he had hte issues as well, trying to find out chat history so i can see how we fixed it.
[11:48] <xIke> hey guys- no video, what's the command to run to redo your gconf prefs?
[11:48] <ward_> HighNo, ok thanx :-) good to know because there's no other way atm
[11:48] <ward_> i allways have issues with the annoying drive manager in ubuntu
[11:48] <phenom> Not, I did not file a bug report, When you enable the scale option with the top-right corner option enabledl then send mouse to right corner to activate scalel If you click on the desktop (and it minimizes everything likes it's supposed to) then you will not be able to move any windows.
[11:48] <orudie> Creed, ok
[11:48] <HighNo> ward_: you would have to install a dos mbr which overwrites the mbr with the grub part
[11:49] <phenom> My system has crashed trying to figure that out.
[11:49] <ward_> HighNo, no i'll reinstall right after i delete the partition :)
[11:49] <HighNo> ward_: you play on the safe side :-) [without windows its always more safe :-)]
[11:50] <magnetron> grigora: not all cards have drivers that are in good enough shape to support WPA. WPA and WPA2 is partially software in the driver, and if the driver doesn't have good enough WPA support ubuntu will not allow you to enable it
[11:50] <phenom> Oh and on a fresh install of compiz, it made my screensaver login dialog opaque!, you could see through it :P
[11:50] <ward_> HighNo, i cant use ubuntu for the stuff i do with windows
[11:50] <orudie> Creed, maybe i should change something in the ccsm configurations?
[11:50] <dariuskane> Alright wish me luck!!! Ive installd gusty and Im going to attempted to reboot with 2 encrypted HDDs with a LV group and 5 logical partitons including my root partition :) hehe
[11:50] <grigora> does anyone know why it's only possible to connect to a wireless access point using the HEX key, but not the ASCII key? I simple don't understand the difference between the 2. Could someone please explain. TIA
[11:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> one's hex, one's ascii
[11:51] <Creed> lol
[11:51] <orudie> Creed, or maybe the resolution?
[11:51] <Creed> orudie, go ahead and mess with anything you want lol Cant really screw it up any more.
[11:51] <HighNo> ward_: then you do the wrong stuff :-) just kidding and my share of the usual ms bashing
[11:51] <grigora> magnetron: well, my card is an Intel card and is supported, I just don't understand how wpa_supplicant is supposed to play with Network Manager
[11:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> they aren't the same thing.  hex is 16 possible characters, 0-F, while ascii is, to my knowledge, 128 possible characters
[11:52] <grigora> Daisuke_Laptop: well, why are there 2 options?
[11:52] <Creed> orudie, cant be the resolution...Maybe someone else knows a fix? I cant seem to find anything else :(
[11:52] <GIn> hi, any tool that can also search pdf documents for keywords?
[11:52] <grigora> Daisuke_Laptop: dude, I know the difference between ascii and hex
[11:52] <magnetron> grigora: networkmanager automatically use wpa_supplicant to connect to networks
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> grigora: because there are two types of WEP keys
[11:52] <grigora> magnetron: so how come mine isn't using it?
[11:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> actually more than that
[11:52] <xIke> what's the name of the ugly blue shell app that you can run to configure video and keyboard?
[11:52] <HighNo> Daisuke_Laptop: hehe - right, working ones and not working ones :-)
[11:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> xIke: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[11:53] <magnetron> grigora: your driver? i'm just guessing, but i know some other wifi cards have that behaviour
[11:53] <Daisuke_Laptop> well...  dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[11:53] <grigora> Daisuke_Laptop: i don't know anyone who types in hex keys into their access point, so where do hex keys come into play?
[11:53] <xIke> Daisuke_Laptop: thanks
[11:53] <orudie> Creed, are you sure?
[11:53] <grigora> magnetron: my card is supported by wpa_supplicant
[11:54] <orudie> Creed, maybe you know someone who is good at this?
[11:54] <professor> How do you get he broadcom wireless cards to work
[11:54] <Tigran_> dariuskane: didnt work =/
[11:54] <grigora> magnetron: from wpa_supplicant man page - ipw    Intel ipw2100/2200 driver.
[11:54] <magnetron> grigora: ok, then i don't know
[11:55] <Creed> orudie, Im pretty new to this channel, dont know anyone here :( Ill call up my friend when shes off work to see how we fixed it on hers.
[11:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> grigora: if it's entirely numeric, it is potentially hex
[11:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> mine is.
[11:55] <Midnight_Abuse> Alright.
[11:55] <Ajzzz> fresh ubuntu 7.04 install freezes seconds after login, a few minutes if I select failsafe terminal, can boot into recovery mode, tried bootoptions: noacpi noapic nolapic irqpoll noapm, vesa and fglrx drivers, any ideas?
[11:55] <orudie> Creed, ok thanx, if anything my sn on aim is orudie
[11:55] <Creed> orudie, alright, Ill let you know.
[11:56] <benanz2> how do I switch to text mode during Ubuntu boot up?
[11:56] <grigora> Daisuke_Laptop: what I am saying is that this Sonicwall firewall, access point let's you set an ascii key, but I can't connect to it using that key, while my friend can (from WIndose), so I am just trying to figure out why I can't use the ascii key
[11:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahh
[11:56] <TSWoodV> I'm seeing a race condition with NetworkManager and an Atheros PCI card.  If I restart dbus and then ifdown ath0 and ifup ath0 at the right time, I can get connected.  If I let the normal process at login do its thing, no network.
[11:57] <Creed> benanz2, ALT+F2 should switch you to tty0 (or 1..I forget)
[11:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's simple.  it is hardware birthed from the fiery pit itself and cannot be trusted.  (in other words, i have no idea)
[11:57] <Midnight_Abuse> Hah.
[11:57] <ninix> hi, i just installed my new nvidia card. and installed nvidia-glx-new ....... but i got a problem: all font are unreadable.
[11:57] <Midnight_Abuse> I have Ubuntu and I want to make it look pretty.
[11:58] <benanz2> will that show the text messages during boot so I can see what's going on instead of watching the Ubuntu usplash?
[11:58] <gamo_> hello...?
[11:58] <GIn> any one using google desktop search?
[11:58] <GIn> how do you start it?
[11:58] <Midnight_Abuse> Oh this is esp for Ubuntu users durr.
[11:58] <YouKnowMe> gamo_ Hello!
[11:58] <TSWoodV> professor: Look at bcm43xx_fwcutter.
[11:58] <professor> tried that
[11:59] <salah> How I do change back to icon view on the application preferences? All my applications is showing menus as text and not icons.
[11:59] <TSWoodV> professor: What's happening?
[11:59] <csc`> someone say bcm43xx?
[11:59] <YouKnowMe> GIn, I forget exacly but you type something in the terminal
[11:59] <YouKnowMe> GIn, I'll check for you
[11:59] <GIn> YouKnowMe, already found out
[11:59] <Creed> Anyone here have experience with OpenVPN (bridged)?
[11:59] <YouKnowMe> gin, oh cool what was it?
[12:00] <GIn> YouKnowMe, gdlinux
[12:00] <professor> im on vista right now, I had it saying in network conections, wireless connections, but when I tried to get it to work, with a walk through it took off all that and now nolonger says that
[12:00] <Creed> Or know of a App to play games that do not support Internet play/direct IP connection (LAN only, UDP broadcast packets)
[12:00] <hou5ton> There is a program called SnagIt that I have used when on Windows, and it is really nice. Does anyone know of a linux program with similar capabilities?  http://www.techsmith.com/screen-capture.asp
[12:00] <kornits> !pastebin
[12:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:01] <kornits> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34573/
[12:01] <kornits> so i got that errror message how can I fix that?
[12:01] <salah> hou5ton, search for remote desktop
[12:01] <kornits> i believe that is a postix thing, but which file is it in?
[12:01] <HighNo> salah: go to system, settings, menu and ...
[12:01] <wotanist> If I cancel downloading pages from the Add/Remove applications, how do I clean up the incomplete files it downloaded?
[12:01] <wotanist> *packages
[12:02] <salah> HighNo, thanks


[12:03] <elacheche> Hello andyrock
[12:04] <andyrock> hey hey
[12:04] <Trevinho> hi andyrock
[12:05] <elacheche> Let's wait and see if other Membership bord members will join us, otherwise we'll vote via the ML
[12:05] <andyrock> elacheche: ok
[12:12] <mIk3_08> Hello everyone.
[12:13] <elacheche> mIk3_08: Hey! Let's wait and see if other Membership bord members will join us, otherwise we'll vote via the ML
[12:13] <mIk3_08> Thanks a lot elacheche.
[12:14] <elacheche> mIk3_08 & andyrock If in the next 15min one else show up I all start a 2 threads to evaluate your applications via the ML.. This is a tricky time slot for some members, sorry about that..
[12:15] <andyrock> elacheche: no problem at all
[12:15] <elacheche> nzoueidi_: You're ok with this? We used to do this before.. Didn't needed to for a long time.. But we can do that today again :)
[12:16] <nzoueidi_> yeah, we could do this via ML.
[12:16] <nzoueidi_> Hey folks o/
[12:26] <mIk3_08> copy elacheche.
[12:27] <mIk3_08> no problem about that elacheche.
[12:32] <elacheche> OK, so, I'll start the thread in a moment, we'll get back to you mIk3_08 and andyrock via mail in case we need to ask some questions.. Sorry that we couldn't gather the quorum today..
[12:32] <mIk3_08> okay elacheche.
[12:32] <mIk3_08> Thanks again


[12:46] <tony-smlr> SMLR E145 going live Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvOQKH2ng-A  Audio: http//live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[14:23] <cmaloney> Good morning
[16:16] <gamerchick02> hey thinkpad-ers in the room... i've stumbled upon a sweet deal through newegg for a T410. does this one work well with 14.10?
[16:21] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: definitely
[16:23] <rick_h_> dk
[16:23] <gamerchick02> woot!
[16:23] <gamerchick02> thanks
[16:23] <gamerchick02> $289 is a good price for it, yeah/
[16:23] <gamerchick02> ?
[16:24] <gamerchick02> it's refurb through newegg. any experience getting something like that?
[16:26] <rick_h_> not through newegg, I got a mac refurb before
[16:26] <rick_h_> 289, depends on what's in it I guess. at that price you can upgrade ram/etc pretty well
[16:27] <gamerchick02> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834318291&cm_re=ThinkPad_T_Series_T410_Notebook_Intel_Core_i5_2.67GHz_4GB_Memory_320GB_HDD_14.1%22_Windows_7_Professional_-_18_Month_Warranty_and_Pre-Installed_30_Day_Trial_of_Microsoft_Office_365-_-34-318-291-_-Product
[16:27] <gamerchick02> that's the link to it
[16:27] <gamerchick02> ooooh it has a DVD-ROM!
[16:27] <gamerchick02> *sarcasm*
[16:28] <gamerchick02> i wonder if i can remove that and lighten it and perhaps replace the HDD w/an SSD
[16:29] <gamerchick02> personally, i love my macbook air. and i'm kinda waiting for it to not be supported anymore to plop ubuntu on it
[16:30] <rick_h_> yea last time I had one I swapped out the dvd drive with a battery cell for a bit more juice
[16:31] <rick_h_> hmm, doesn't say what res screen on it and you'll want to up the ram I'm sure
[16:31] <rick_h_> but cool
[16:31] <rick_h_> they're good solid laptops
[16:32] <gamerchick02> yeah. not sure i'll drop the cash on it but a project laptop... that'll mean: macbook, windows beast of a desktop, and an ubuntu box. i dunno i if i wanna manage that all but that's such a good price!!
[16:32] <gamerchick02> my macbook has 4gb ram on it and it runs well
[16:32] <gamerchick02> for a portable writing/internet/etc machine it's super good
[16:33] <gamerchick02> i like it because it's so dang light
[16:33] <gamerchick02> do you know how heavy the T410 is?
[16:33] <rick_h_> it's a bit chunky for sure
[16:33] <rick_h_> if you're looking for an air replacement it's not that. that's more the x1 carbon
[16:36] <gamerchick02> lol i don't want to replace my air
[16:37] <gamerchick02> i love it to bits. and i never thought i'd love something that Apple put out
[16:37] <gamerchick02> but it's so damn easy to deal with.
[16:37] <gamerchick02> and it's light and quick and just... i dunno.
[16:45] <gamerchick02> also, multiple desktops ahoy. i don't know why windows doesn't do that (would make my work laptop so much more efficient.
[16:45] <gamerchick02> )
[16:54] <jrwren> yeah, a T410 is ancient right?
[16:54] <jrwren> its from 2011ish?
[16:55] <rick_h_> yea i5 but not sure which gen. the 450 is on the way this year
[16:58] <gamerchick02> wow
[16:58] <gamerchick02> my current laptop is 2012 gen...
[16:58] <gamerchick02> "mid 2012"
[16:59] <gamerchick02> i guess i don't want to get something that's kind of a step back. i'll wait till my macbook is unsupported and then plop ubuntu on it.
[17:27] <jrwren> doesn't apple typically support hardware with its OS for 5yrs?
[18:07] <gamerchick02> :)
[18:07] <gamerchick02> i'm not sure. probably
[19:09] <cmaloney> Hmmm...
[19:09] <cmaloney> Might get one so I can drop Ubuntu on it.
[19:09] <cmaloney> And have spare parts for the T410 that my dad got "such a deal" on. :)
[19:10] <cmaloney> I had one for Alcatel Lucent
[19:10] <cmaloney> resolution was decent, but I think it was 13xx x 768.
[19:53] <gamerchick02> that's not any better than my macbook
[19:53] <gamerchick02> (small screen!!)
[20:01] <cmaloney> Afternoon from the Clinton Macomb Library
[20:11] <gamerchick02> howdy. how's the library?
[20:12] <cmaloney> I really miss this library
[20:12] <cmaloney> It's quiet, so I have headphones and music running. :)
[20:12]  * cmaloney is listening to Tangram - Desert Of Lost Blessings
[20:12] <gamerchick02> oh nice.
[20:12] <gamerchick02> i should go back to the Auburn Hills Library to write and stuff
[20:12] <cmaloney> Since we're no longet r in the area I'm also tethering with my phone
[20:13] <cmaloney> Which is nice.
[20:13] <gamerchick02> fewer distractions than my apartment (i have TV there)
[20:13] <cmaloney> Oh I have all sorts of distractions here. :)
[20:13] <cmaloney> Books, magazines, people
[20:13] <gamerchick02> true
[20:13] <gamerchick02> i have all that except people at my apartment
[20:14] <cmaloney> Heh
[20:15] <gamerchick02> i don't want to drive back to my apartment (i'm at my mom's house)
[20:17] <cmaloney> Well, you have IRC. That's the same thing, right?
[20:19] <gamerchick02> hah
[20:19] <gamerchick02> true


[00:00] <sebner> Kopfgeldjaeger: maybe not that much, less. And cool, I know you from uu.de
[00:00] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ;)
[00:01] <DnaX> bye
[00:01]  * DnaX go to bed
[00:01] <sebner> DnaX: hf
[00:01] <Kopfgeldjaeger> bye
[00:16] <sebner> gn8 folks :)
[01:01] <Kopfgeldjaeger> good neight
[02:30] <bddebian> persia: You around by any chance?
[02:46] <orly_owl> So MOTU is the people who maintain ubuntu universe and multiverse?
[02:49] <Flannel> orly_owl: Yes
[03:06] <persia> bddebian: WIth a bit of a delay: what's up?
[03:23] <bddebian> persia: How much do you know about gettext/intltool?
[03:25] <persia> bddebian: As little as possible.  What seems to be the issue?
[03:26] <bddebian> persia: I'm trying to help upstream fix his build system to regenerate the .pot files and such and I've done what a lot of the docs say to do but it just doesn't seem like it's doing anything
[03:36] <persia> bddebian: Hrm.  That one is beyond me.  I don't seem to have the answer in any of my standard reference spots either.  Does the package use autotools?  If so, acl seems to do it.
[03:37] <bddebian> Yeah, it's autoconf.  acl the package?
[03:37] <persia> acl the package.  Look in po/Makefile for the sorts of hints that are being passed.
[03:37] <bddebian> OK, thanks man
[03:38] <persia> bddebian: No problem.  Note that $(TOPDIR)/include/builddefs is a generated file, so you may need to run some of a build in order to have the right information available.
[03:40] <bddebian> Well I added gettextize and intltoolize
[03:40] <bddebian> to autoge.sh
[03:40] <bddebian> +n jeez, I can't type
[03:43] <persia> Does the build now call xgettext?
[03:44] <bddebian> I don't think it calls shit.  He was calling intl-extract by hand to regenerage the files
[03:47] <persia> Have you tried a run with the modified autogen.sh?
[03:48] <bddebian> Oh yeah, I've hacked the crap out of it and the autotools files and it builds fine and runs fine, I just don't know if I'm actually getting the translations :-(
[03:49] <persia> heh.  Now I understand.
[03:50] <stefanlsd> the KDE stuff is a bit silly that ubuntu kde are following experimental by moving to KDE4 and sid is still got kde3.5 stuff
[03:50] <persia> Are the .po and .pot files updated during the build (based on timestamp comparison)?
[03:51] <persia> stefanlsd: Different release cycles: KDE4 wasn't ready early enough for Lenny, but is ready early enough for Intrepid.
[03:51] <bddebian> persia: I'm checking that now
[03:51] <stefanlsd> persia: yeah. just seems painful as we merge from sid against things that no longer exist in intrepid
[03:53] <persia> stefanlsd: I know, but that's part of what happens when a Debian release is pending.  When Debian releases in late September, we'll see *lots* of package bumps in sid, but won't want to sync/merge because Intrepid will be mostly frozen.
[03:53] <stefanlsd> persia: heh. fun :)
[04:02] <bddebian> Hmm, well it seems to generate a new .pot file
[04:08] <stefanlsd> persia: I was looking at merging showimg which is a kde package which seems dependant on libkonq4-dev which no longer exists in Intrepid (spoke with Riddell and its by design).  Any suggestions or options? It doesnt appear to compile under libkonq5-dev as once i move to kdelibs5-dev things break. I have emailed upstream author re KDE4 support.  I've tried to build it without libkonq and its also failing.
[04:18] <persia> stefanlsd: That happens sometimes.  You'll need to check how the API changed, and prepare a port.
[04:19] <stefanlsd> persia: port of what exactly?  the application in question?
[04:19] <persia> Indeed.  showimg.
[04:20] <stefanlsd> Wouldnt that be a function of the upstream app developer?  (No problem assisting, but he may not even want to continue the app...?)
[04:21] <persia> Well, maybe.  This is part of the collaborative interface.  The only reason the app needs porting is because Ubuntu ships a different library, so from that perspective, it's entirely our job.  On the other hand, the upstream for the library is moving on, and so the upstream for the client will need to move at some point, or become obsolescent, so from that perspective, it's upstream work.
[04:22] <persia> In cases like this, I think that the work ought be done by whoever can get it done first.
[04:24] <stefanlsd> yeah. ok. Let me see what upstream says. the package in question may of been replaced similair functionality in other software or kde core functionality and if upstream has abandoned the project, no use in maintaining it if I have no other interest except for trying the merge.
[04:42] <bddebian> Shite, it's not creating the .mo files though :-(
[05:13] <persia> bddebian: That's an easier problem though :)
[05:14] <bddebian> It is?
[05:14] <persia> msgfmt -o target.mo source.po
[05:16] <persia> %.mo : %.po
 msgfmt -t -o $@ $<
[05:17] <persia> Err, except without the -t :)
[05:17] <bddebian> weird, that is all in po/Makefile
[05:17] <persia> OK.  Does anything depend upon the .mo files so that they get built?
[05:18] <bddebian> Hmm, no clue
[05:18] <persia> pastebing po/Makefile
[05:20] <pyc> howdy, is it OK to ask PPA failed build related questions here?
[05:21] <persia> pyc: We much prefer questions about builds that fail in the primary repositories, but it depends on the nature of the problem: stuff that's too PPA specific usually gets ignored.
[05:21] <bddebian> persia: http://paste.debian.net/14957/
[05:22] <pyc> persia,  i see, so would be much better to ask SOYUZ?
[05:22]  * persia wants a browser that cannot crash.
[05:23] <persia> pyc: It depends on the nature of the problem.  Things that are too packaging-specific tend to get ignored there.  Better to just ask, and see what people say.
[05:23] <pyc> ok
[05:23] <pyc> was wondering what's wrong with this
[05:24] <pyc> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16877126/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.revel_1.1.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:25] <pyc> so far i can only comprehend that the build failed because ..
[05:25] <persia> pyc: It's an XviD issue.  Modify the build to echo config.log, and examine it.  Alternately, try building in a local lpia chroot.
[05:25] <pyc> ok
[05:30] <persia> bddebian: From the stamp-po rule it looks like you might want to fiddle with LINGUAS or POFILES, but I'm not sure (and I've run out of time for this session).
[05:31] <bddebian> persia: NP, thanks man
[05:31] <persia> To me it looks like it's configured to generate the files on request, rather than at build time.
[05:31] <bddebian> Yeah, that was the issue
[05:31] <persia> Fixing it is probably just a matter of adding some dependencies to the rules, so that when the .pot files are updated, it regenerates $(DOMAIN).pot, etc.
[05:32] <bddebian> Uhm, yeah sure :)
[05:32] <persia> (this is an expensive operation, but may be what you seek)
[05:32] <persia> Also, right now all translations are copyright Yoyodyne, Inc. which may not be correct :)
[05:33] <persia> "Uhm, yeah sure :)"?  Read the comment about $(DOMAIN).pot which describes it in some detail.
[05:33] <bddebian> OK, will do, thanks
[05:33] <persia> From line 410 or so.
[05:34] <persia> Might just be resetting the definition of POFILES to not be empty.
[05:34] <persia> Anyway, I'm off.
[05:40] <bddebian> Laterz, thanks again
[05:45] <superm1> hum what's the point of this motu membership renewal email if I'm just able to do it myself?  wouldn't it make more sense to default to yes, and have me opt out when I don't want in anymore?
[05:46] <superm1> or to make me appear across some council that affirms my worthiness at least
[05:46] <ScottK-laptop> superm1: No, just makes you need to at least care enough to answer a mail if you want to stay in.
[05:46] <ScottK-laptop> Not everyone does.
[05:47] <ScottK-laptop> superm1: IIRC you're maintaining DKMS now, right?
[05:47] <superm1> ScottK-laptop, yup
[05:47] <superm1> got some qualms?
[05:47] <superm1> :)
[05:47] <ScottK-laptop> Nope.  Need some help.
[05:47] <superm1> sure what's up?
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> Klamav depends on the Dazuko modules for auto scanning.
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> AFAICT it's never worked in Debian/Ubuntu.
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> I'd like to make it work.
[05:48] <superm1> dauko kernel modules i'm assuming?
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> Yes
[05:48] <ScottK-laptop> http://dazuko.dnsalias.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[05:49] <ScottK-laptop> http://dazuko.dnsalias.org/files/patch-dazuko-linux-2.6.26.diff.gz is the patch.
[05:49] <superm1> well the obvious first question will be is it possible to get these kernel modules upstream?
[05:49] <superm1> as in mainline kernel
[05:49] <ScottK-laptop> Not for Intrepid.  That's for sure.
[05:49] <superm1> well at least in the ubuntu/ part of the tree?
[05:50] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno.  I'm just sorting this out now and you suddenly appeared.
[05:50] <superm1> IIRC server folk don't like compiling kernel modules on their systems
[05:50] <superm1> and i would think that is a big target for this
[05:51] <superm1> ah from what it appears this is nearly ready to drop into a 2.6.26 kernel tree like is present
[05:51] <ScottK-laptop> That's what they claim, but I know zip about kernel modules.
[05:51] <superm1> Kconfig and all
[05:52] <superm1> well lets step into #ubuntu-kernel and I can try to get you started doing that first instead.  it's the better solution if possible
[05:52] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  There.
[05:53] <ScottK-laptop> LWN describes them as a "having relatively hostile attitude towards the suggested ways of moving their code into the treea"relatively hostile attitude towards the suggested ways of moving their code into the tree"
[06:19] <pyc> a very stupid question , what is a local lpia?
[06:19] <pyc> i know what a chroot is
[06:19] <pyc> but local lpia ,  i really have no idea :))
[06:21] <ScottK-laptop> The only LPIA I know is the Intel Low Power Architecture.  It's one of the archs that Ubuntu is built on.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> lpia is an architecture used for -mobile
[06:22] <pyc> how do i set that up? to debug a ppa?
[06:23] <pyc> or is this a FAQ?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> i assume you'd have to build a mobile thing - it might be in the #ubuntu-mobile FAQ
[06:24] <superm1> you can build lpia chroot's though
[06:25] <superm1> just need to point to the proper archive mirror on ports
[06:25] <superm1> ubuntu-dev-tools in intrepid has support in mk-sbuild-lv to make one
[06:25] <pyc> i'll have to wait for intrepid then? ;)
[06:26] <superm1> pyc, well you can grab the ubuntu-dev-tools package from intrepid and run it on hardy
[06:26] <superm1> its mostly a collection of scripts anyhow
[06:26] <pyc> superm1,  i see :)
[06:26] <superm1> but you should be able to build one yourself too if need be just with debootstrap
[06:26] <superm1> just need to tweak the right arguments
[06:27] <superm1> but if you've already got sbuild+LVM setup, the former that i suggested is much more preferable
[06:27] <superm1> far easier
[06:27] <pyc> superm1, do you have any idea why ppa would fail, even if its succeed on mine?
[06:27] <superm1> pyc, depends on the build log on the PPA
[06:27] <superm1> pyc, got a link?
[06:28] <pyc> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/16877126/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-lpia.revel_1.1.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[06:28] <pyc> persia already pointed out the xvid issue
[06:29] <pyc> but why would it fail anyway, if the configure says xvid >= 1.x.x ?
[06:29] <superm1> so is that xvid library not available on lpia then?
[06:29] <pyc> in ppa?
[06:29] <superm1> well did you add it to the dependencies in debian/control?
[06:29] <superm1> that xvid library
[06:29] <pyc> oops..
[06:29] <superm1> and if you have, did you mistakingly indicate it for amd64, i386 only?
[06:30] <pyc> no, i specify "any"
[06:30] <pyc> that's most likely the problem not specifying xvid in control
[06:30] <pyc> thanks ;)
[06:31] <superm1> yup
[06:31] <superm1> np
[06:32] <nxvl> why i'm still a contributor for revu?
[06:32] <nxvl> do i need to do something special?
[07:17] <RAOF> Anyone feel like revuing a new mono package?
[07:41] <RAOF> Failing that, anyone want to dispense copyright advice? :)
[07:56] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I know you're here, so there's no use hiding.  Do you know of any tools for determining whether a library's ABI/API has changed?
[07:57] <Hobbsee> RAOF: no.
[07:57] <orly_owl> heh
[07:57] <RAOF> Curses!
[07:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:58] <RAOF> I suppose I'll diff the headers, then :/
[08:02] <RAOF> Well, that was painless :)
[08:02] <RAOF> Here, shlibs file!  Come to me.
[08:03] <ion_> raof: dpkg-gensymbols(1) might be useful.
[08:04] <RAOF> Cool.
[08:11] <rebel_kid> hey im a new programming, i know the basics of python and study more everyday, im looking to get involved in the devel of ubuntu and/or its applications
[08:21] <RAOF> rebel_kid: You have a common misunderstanding of what we actually do as a part of Ubuntu; we generally don't actually _develop_ anything.
[08:21] <RAOF> rebel_kid: That said, if you want to help, there's plenty to do :)
[08:21] <RAOF> !contribute | rebel_kid
[08:27] <rebel_kid> RAOF: thanks, the devel room topic said to go here, i would love to help in anyway, in development or here
[08:28] <RAOF> rebel_kid: If you actually want to _program_, the way to help would generally be to find an upstream project and start helping there.
[08:28] <rebel_kid> what do u mean upstream project?
[08:29] <RAOF> I mean: none of the software in Ubuntu is actually _written_ by Ubuntu; we simple package up other people's work so that it's easy to use.
[08:30] <rebel_kid> oh i understand that
[08:30] <RAOF> So, if you want to do programming, you probably want to find a piece of software that you'd like improved, and improve it :)
[08:30] <rebel_kid> speaking of which, want to package up one of my programs lol
[08:31] <rebel_kid> jk, it doesnt even have a GUI yet
[08:31] <RAOF> _Now_ we're cooking with #ubuntu-motu :)
[08:31] <rebel_kid> if thats the kind of thing you guys do i would love to learn how
[08:32] <rebel_kid> especially when i decide to distribute my program, i got couldnt find a good inventory program for ubuntu, so im writing it
[08:43] <emgent`> moin
[09:06] <gnomefreak> anyone have a clue why ubuntu-restricted-extras installs atles one .exe
[09:07] <gnomefreak> ok scratch that most of the packages are .exe
[09:10] <gnomefreak> here is a post of what it does http://pastebin.mozilla.org/517785
[09:11] <geser> msttcorefonts
[09:11] <gnomefreak> geser: i thought that was in archive
[09:12] <ion_> The license forbids from even renaming them IIRC, so they aren’t compatible for the archive.
[09:12] <ion_> ...or putting into a package
[09:13] <geser> but the "windows" fonts are only available as .exe from microsoft, so it downloads them and extracts the .ttf files
[09:13] <gnomefreak> its in multiverse
[09:15] <gnomefreak> geser: yeah i saw that
[10:27] <foxbuntu> if anyone would be willing to take a peak at this for a revu for me, great appreciated: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=mythbuntu-log-grabber
[11:27] <askand> Is there a reason msttcorefonts is not included in kubuntu-restricted-extras or can I go ahead and fix bug 231094 ?
[11:30] <jpds> askand: Since u-r-e has it, yes, please do.
[11:42] <askand> Does this debdiff look ok http://pastebin.com/m57c51bcc
[11:46] <jpds> askand: Could you possible attach it to Launchpad?
[11:47] <jpds> possibly*
[11:49] <geser> askand: the debdiff looks ok, so you can attach it to the bug for sponsorship (don't forget to subscribe the correct sponsor team)
[11:54] <RAOF> Right.  One gnome-main-menu uploaded.  Yay.
[11:56] <askand> jpds: it is attached now, wanted to know it was ok before attaching :P
[11:57] <askand> geser: hm what would be the correct sponsor team for ubuntu-restricted-extras? Its in multiverse
[11:58] <jpds> askand: ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[11:58] <askand> jpds: tanks
[12:53] <Hobbsee> askand: because i've long not seen teh point of installing non-free fonts, as u-r-e seems to be the more for enhancements of the non-free variety.
[12:53] <Hobbsee> askand: i'd prefer to install ttf-liberation or something :)
[13:26] <askand> Hobbsee: I guess it is for people who need to use msfonts, me for example have to use times new roman in the essays at my university
[13:27] <Hobbsee> askand: ah yes, i guess there isn't a TNR font for htat.
[13:28] <StevenK> But the liberation fonts are metrically equivalent.
[13:28] <StevenK> That's the entire point of them
[13:46] <askand> Isnt it better that liberation fonts are installed by default then and ms fonts is still in restricted package? Or is liberation fonts also restricted somehow?
[13:46] <wgrant> Liberation was non-free a while ago, but IIRC that might have changed.
[13:49] <ion_> Seems like Liberation is GPL-2 with an exception.
[15:19] <stefanlsd> Has anyone got a suggestion as to why I am getting a build failure. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/38217/   (i havent made any mods yet. just apt-get source, debuild -S -sa, and using pbuilder).
[15:22] <gnomefreak> problem with zaptel package? as in there is a problem within that package
[15:23] <stefanlsd> gnomefreak: that version is in intrepid. So i assume of would of built?
[15:23] <stefanlsd> gnomefreak: or if its a sync, do we just use the deb as is from Debian?
[15:24] <gnomefreak> 1.4.11~dfsg-1
[15:24] <stefanlsd> yeah...
[15:24] <gnomefreak> your using the right package
[15:28] <gnomefreak> i thought it was a newline issue but its not, i dont think that warning means anything that would cause FTB
[15:29] <gnomefreak> stefanlsd: does it build in chroot?
[15:29]  * gnomefreak tries not to use pbuilder but its just me
[15:29] <stefanlsd> gnomefreak: only tried my intrepid pbuilder...
[15:30] <gnomefreak> it failed while trying to build zaptel
[15:31] <stefanlsd> yeah
[15:32] <gnomefreak> but the only thing that jumps out is the new line warning
[15:32] <stefanlsd> gnomefreak: ok. thanks.  let me see if i can find out why thats happening
[15:33] <gnomefreak> i would say try to build zaptel
[15:33] <gnomefreak> ok im gone its weekend
[15:47] <geser> stefanlsd: looks like the package FTBFS twice in a row
[15:48] <geser> stefanlsd: pbuilder has a bug that it builts every package twice (pbuilder build --twice will build it once :)
[15:49] <sebner> geser: still thinking about an ACK-script? ^^
[15:49] <geser> sebner: yes, I just need a py-lp-bugs which works with current LP
[15:50] <emgent> evening
[15:50] <sebner> emgent: \o/
[15:50] <emgent> heya sebner :)
[15:50] <sebner> geser: ask \sh ^^
[15:50] <stefanlsd> geser: aah yeah. that worked using --twice
[15:51] <stefanlsd> here i am removing all these duplicate links and fixing all the errors :)
[15:51] <emgent> stefanlsd: o/
[16:03] <ScottK> mok0: I had done a detailed copyright review of gamgi that I thought I submitted to REVU, but either I didn't submit it or it was eaten.
[16:04] <ScottK> mok0: Do grep -ir copyright * on the gamgi source and you'll find a number of additional licenses you duon't currently list.
[16:04] <ScottK> mok0: You will also find one file that is not distributable and will have to be removed.
[16:07] <ScottK-laptop> mok0: It's dat/cell/polymers/polyethylene_sulfide.cif that's not distributable.
[16:09] <ScottK-laptop> OK, looks like the comment didn't get eaten, just I was dealing with a cached copy of the page.
[17:05] <mok0> ScottK-laptop: I didn't see your message until now, thanks
[17:05] <ScottK> Sorry to have bad news.
[17:06] <mok0> ScottK: that's life :-)
[17:06] <mok0> ScottK: I will contact upstream about the non-distributable file, it is probably a mistake
[17:06] <ScottK> That would certainly be the best answer.
[17:07] <mok0> ScottK: yeah, he updates his distro quite often, so he may do it quickly
[17:14] <mok0> ScottK: Good you spotted that file. It is from the damned CCDC, it is outrageous that they impose this kind of copyright on public research data. Grrrrr
[17:15] <ScottK> mok0: I highly recommend running grep -ir copyright * over any package you make.  It's often very instructive.
[17:16] <mok0> ScottK: I thought I did, apparently not on the data files :-(
[17:16] <ScottK> Well there are a number of other licenses that need to be added to debian/copyright too, so ...
[17:17] <mok0> *blush*
[17:46] <mok0> ScottK: the bitstream font files in the package are md5-identical to the ones in the package ttf-bitstream-vera
[17:47] <mok0> ScottK: These font files are not installed by the gamgi package, however, instead there is a dependency on ttf-bitstream-vera
[17:47] <ScottK> mok0: Then they should not be installed and you should use the packaged ones already.
[17:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[17:47] <ScottK> OK.
[17:48] <ScottK> It still needs mentioning in debian/copyright (I think) since it's distributed in the source package.
[17:48] <mok0> ScottK: I will look at the ttf-bitstream-vera package and see what they do about the license there.
[17:48] <ScottK> OK.
[17:48] <mok0> ScottK: yes I will mention it in copyright
[17:49] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[17:50] <mok0> ScottK: Have we started to use the Debian.source file now?
[17:50] <mok0> It's been discussed on the dd list
[18:23] <__iron> hi just a question, who can i get a listing about linux-interfaces
[18:27] <laga> "redrum" like in "the shining"?
[18:27] <Treenaks> also, why would you sponsor it
[19:33] <therealnanotube> hey guys... so let's say i have a package, that depends on say, package A. but there are two actual packages that provide package A. how can i specify that my package "prefers" one of the two that provide package A?
[19:33] <therealnanotube> is that even possible?
[19:33] <laga> say A is provided by B and C
[19:33] <therealnanotube> ok
[19:33] <laga> then you can just say: depend on "B | A"
[19:34] <laga> or "B | C | A"
[19:34] <laga> not sure if that's a good idea, but it should work ;)
[19:34] <therealnanotube> so then if i have "B | C | A", that means that it will try B, and will try for C only if B is not available?
[19:35] <laga> i think so
[19:35] <therealnanotube> what if B happens not to provide A in some cases - will it recognize that? or will it just go for B first no matter what?
[19:36] <laga> that escapes my knowledge ;)
[19:37] <therealnanotube> the actual situation is this: in gutsy 64bit, package linux32 is provided by unix-util, and by linux32. in all other versions of ubuntu, it is provided either by linux32 (feisty and earlier), or unix-util (hardy), but not both.
[19:37] <therealnanotube> on gutsy, if i depend on linux32, it conflicts with unix-util, and removes a whole bunch of other stuff from unix-util as a result, which is undesirable.
[19:37] <therealnanotube> so how do i make a package that says "depend on linux32, and take it from unix-util if it provides it, otherwise, take it from linux32" ?
[19:38] <geser> therealnanotube: have you tried versioned dependencies?
[19:39] <geser> Depends: util-linux (>= version_with_linux32) | linux32
[19:42] <therealnanotube> geser: ah, interesting idea. that just might work! thanks :)
[19:43] <therealnanotube> laga: thanks to you to, for trying :)
[19:43] <therealnanotube> laga: *too
[19:57] <CarlF1> i want to try building a .deb from http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu/debian/pool/main/c/couchdb/ - the .gz is sources that I need to apt-get suorce?
[19:57] <tillux> heya. supposed I wanted to 'create' a gui for cloneZilla. what'd be the first step I'd have to make? or... what would you recommend me to read?
[19:58] <andrew_sayers> I think I've found a bug in Vino with security implications - should it be filed in Ubuntu, and can someone confirm that I'm not being ridiculous?
[19:59] <andrew_sayers> Basically, vino checks your password before asking the user whether to allow a connection, meaning that attackers can brute force passwords even if you specify to ask for a connection.
[20:00] <andrew_sayers> Er, ask to confirm incoming connections.
[20:01] <Laney> Probably best to talk to upstream first
[20:01] <Laney> But LP has a facility for security bugs too, so you can put it there too
[20:01] <andrew_sayers> Fair enough.  I'll go and create yet another account and password I'll never use again... :s
[20:02] <CarlF1> what is the sources.list line?  this aint it: deb http://debian.cs.binghamton.edu debian main
[20:50] <TomJaeger> Okay, I'm going to plead my case one last time.
[20:50] <TomJaeger> The package that I'd like to advocate: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=easystroke
[20:51] <TomJaeger> It's a gesture recognition application for X11 with a gtk interface.
[20:53] <TomJaeger> It's not one of those programs that does the same thing as a million others before, there really isn't anything comparable in the archive.
[20:53] <TomJaeger> The program closest to it is probably strokeit for windows, but I think easystroke is a lot more sophisticated by now.
[20:56] <TomJaeger> It doesn't require editing config files and it can deal with arbitrary strokes, as it doesn't try to dissect them into line segments.
[20:58] <TomJaeger> Reviewing the package should be very easy, I've looked over a lot of suggestions that were made for other packages and incorporated what was applicable to my package.
[20:58] <TomJaeger> I've just released a new upstream version in which I got rid of all the code from other people, so the copyright file is really simple now.
[21:00] <TomJaeger> There's a clear demand for the package to be intrepid: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=837032  (or you could google for strokit and linux)
[21:01] <highvoltage> Goodnight.
[21:02] <TomJaeger> Plus, I've put a lot of effort into this package (I even released a new (now obsolete) upstream version at one point because of licensing issues)
[21:03] <TomJaeger> The package is also in my PPA if you want to check it out: https://launchpad.net/~thjaeger/+archive
[21:03] <TomJaeger> So yeah, I'd really appreciate it if a MOTU would find the time to review the package and I won't bother you any longer. Thanks.
[21:19] <CarlF1> http://packages.ubuntu.com is mia - should I tell anyone?
[21:19] <CarlF1> im guessing there is a #u-admin or something
[21:28] <cody-somerville> no, there isn't
[21:28] <jpds> CarlF1: Close, #canonical-sysadmin, but I think they may be out for the weekened.
[21:29] <CarlF1> thanks
[21:42] <TomJaeger> Any tablet pc users in here at all?
[22:26] <RAOF> CarlF1: That site is run by a volunteer, whose server is getting overwhelmed; he recently posted that he couldn't reasonably continue providing it.
[22:26] <wgrant> RAOF: No it isn't.
[22:27] <wgrant> It's now hosted by Canonical.
[22:27] <RAOF> wgrant: Oh, cool.  That got resolved!
[22:27] <wgrant> A while ago now, but yes.
[22:27] <wgrant> So it's a bit more reliable now.
[22:27] <jpds> It's been down for weeks.
[22:30] <directhex> i use it all the time. it's most certainly NOT weeks
[23:28] <SolarWar> once your package is uploaded from revu- what is the next step?
[23:29] <Kopfgeldjaeger> Wait, and wait, and... or annoy some MOTUs so that they have a look at your package :)
[23:34] <SolarWar> no, i mean, after it has been advocated by two MOTUs
[23:34] <Kopfgeldjaeger> ah, ok
[23:35] <SolarWar> :)
[23:35] <Kopfgeldjaeger> A MOTU will archive it and then it comes into NEW. When the archive admins accept it, it will come into universe
[23:35] <Kopfgeldjaeger> afaik
[23:37] <SolarWar> is there a way to track its acceptance after its left the revu listing?
[23:38] <Laney> SolarWar: You can look at the queues on LP
[23:39] <Laney> Ubuntu -> Intrepid -> Show uploads  on the right, I think
[23:39] <SolarWar> :)
[23:39] <SolarWar> thanks
[23:41] <TomJaeger> SolarWar, how /did/ you get two MOTUs to review your package?
[23:43] <SolarWar> I filled a LP packaging bug, and then packaged it my self- the bug got assigned to someone and i had them look at my (got some comments) and then the bug got assigned to me
[23:43] <SolarWar> and from there it was a bit of waiting and requesting people to review here
[23:43] <SolarWar> i hear people have been really busy with the intrepids release and they haven't been having regular review days this cycle
[23:45] <TomJaeger> Thanks
[23:46] <SolarWar> np
[23:50] <TomJaeger> trying to ask people here to review my package really hasn't worked out very well for me.