[05:27] <CarlK> bassplayer - not working, but I have to wonder about this mouse
[05:27] <trinidad> crimsun: okay its in pastebin
[05:27] <ohgood> fazer: what is the output of the test ?
[05:27] <fazer> ohgood: hmm, hdparm -i shows this some place; MultSect=off
[05:27] <bassplayer> do you reccomend that i put that on my conf ???
[05:27] <CarlK> bassplayer - yes.
[05:28] <ohgood> fazer: i'm in #flood, by the way ;)
[05:28] <bassplayer> and waht exactly i have to change ?
[05:28] <fazer> ohgood: awesome.
[05:28] <crimsun> trinidad: I don't see it. Did you paste as "anonymous"?
[05:28] <trinidad> so sorry
[05:28] <CarlK> bassplayer one other line: Option          "CorePointer"
[05:28] <trinidad> try that again
[05:28] <trinidad> its under trinidad
[05:29] <crimsun> trinidad: I need dmesg output there, too
[05:29] <CarlK> bassplayer - sorry to keep you hanging so long... I was hoping to have mine working a bit quicker
[05:29] <bassplayer> ok, dont worry..... but can you explain me how to configure that ?
[05:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> what does it mean if dpkg -l spits out a line beginning with rc?
[05:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> rc  qjackctl       0.2.12-1       User interface for controlling the JACK soun
[05:30] <bassplayer> that line is already there !
[05:30] <CarlK> bassplayer - cut/paste those lines into xorg.conf, restart X
[05:30] <trinidad> crimsun: okay its there
[05:30] <bassplayer> ok
[05:30] <CarlK> bassplayer - http://audio.foxshare.net:8888/27 (extra line added)
[05:31] <raz> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/289889
[05:31] <crimsun> trinidad: it seems you have conflicting ALSA module versions loaded/installed
[05:32] <trinidad> crimsun:  how to uninstall the reload?
[05:32] <trinidad> *then reload
[05:32] <crimsun> raz: "foo" is a placeholder. Substitute a real filename.
[05:32] <raz> heh, kay.
[05:32] <crimsun> trinidad: did you compile ALSA manually?
[05:32] <trinidad> should I uninstall all packages from Synaptic that start with Alsa
[05:32] <trinidad> no
[05:33] <trinidad> but i did an update with universe and multiverse
[05:33] <trinidad> i think that is where the trouble began
[05:33] <crimsun> did you dist-update from Warty?
[05:33] <trinidad> yes
[05:33] <crimsun> hmm
[05:33] <raz> crimsun, do i have to give the full path and the extension of the file?
[05:34] <crimsun> raz: no, but the path must be valid
[05:34] <odimambo> I can' startx X, help?
[05:34] <odimambo> IM me
[05:34] <trinidad> crimsun:  Warty .... NO .....Hoary, yes
[05:34] <raz> crimsun, ok, its running.. says Starting playback, runs.. no sound tho.
[05:34] <crimsun> trinidad: lsmod to pastebin
[05:34] <crimsun> raz: amixer output to pastebin
[05:35] <raz> crimsun, roger that
[05:35] <trinidad> crimsun: okay all there
[05:35] <raz> crimsun,  uhm, wait, what do you mean by 'amixer output'? copy/paste to pastebin?
[05:36] <trinidad> raz: use pastebin.com to paste the output of amixer
[05:36] <netoster> could somebody tell me whats the extension of music files ?
[05:36] <odimambo> Could someone help ?
[05:36] <trinidad> odimambo
[05:36] <trinidad> let me try to help
[05:36] <trinidad> where are you stuck
[05:36] <crimsun> trinidad: unload all sound drivers
[05:36] <Burgundavia> netoster, what sort? mp3 is mp3, Ogg vorbis is .ogg
[05:37] <trinidad> crimsun:  what's the command
[05:37] <trinidad> or just uninstall
[05:37] <crimsun> trinidad: sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[05:37] <netoster> Burgundavia, mp3 is mp3, oh ok thanks
[05:37] <TheDeathArt> can i make the desktop icons smaller ?
[05:37] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - #dnalounge irc.dnalounge.com
[05:37] <netoster> thats what i wanted to know :)
[05:38] <trinidad> okay
[05:38] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - not that anyone is awake, but figured you might like to know
[05:38] <trinidad> crimsun:  okay
[05:38] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - I grew up in San Jose, moved to Chicago a few years ago
[05:38] <trinidad> need the output?
[05:38] <crimsun> trinidad: only if it fails.
[05:39] <CarlK> bassplayer - you figure out how to get those lines into xorg.conf?
[05:39] <trinidad> crimsun:  It did.  output is in pastebin
[05:39] <netoster> what can i use to download some mp3 ?
[05:39] <amonkey> in hoary, why does ctrl-alt-backspace not take me back to the graphical login page, like it did with warty, and just drop me into a console?
[05:39] <crimsun> trinidad: what cpu do you have?
[05:40] <trinidad> athlon xp 2200
[05:40] <crimsun> trinidad: sudo aptitude install linux-k7
[05:40] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, shouldn't
[05:40] <bassplayer> CarlK - hmmm.... i dont know how to paste those lines in the xorg.conf
[05:40] <crimsun> trinidad: after that finishes, reboot
[05:40] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, sorry, wrong person
[05:40] <netoster> what can i use to download some mp3 ?
[05:40] <trinidad> okay ill be right back
[05:40] <hajiki> is libswf what i want to get flash support in firefox?
[05:41] <CarlK> bassplayer - sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf, /mouse(enter) to fund the current mouse section, "i" for insert, ... and to paste without a mouse... um...
[05:41] <CarlK> bassplayer - may need to start typing
[05:42] <raz> crimsun,  stopped it w/ ctrl+c after a couple of secs.. but here: http://pastebin.com/289899
[05:42] <bassplayer> ok
[05:42] <rixth> What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree
[05:42] <trinidad> crimsun:  Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporariliy unavailable)
[05:43] <bassplayer> but i need to log as root ?
[05:43] <crimsun> raz: ok, so mplayer works with esd.
[05:43] <netoster> what can i use to download some mp3??
[05:43] <trinidad> crimsun:  Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg), is another process using it?
[05:43] <crimsun> raz: do you hear anything?
[05:43] <rixth> netoster, get aMule.
[05:43] <crimsun> trinidad: kill anything using it.
[05:43] <netoster> aMule, ok..but is there something like limewire?
[05:44] <rixth> netoster, you need to add multiverse and univer to your repositories, however. May as well add restriced while your there.
[05:44] <raz> crimsun, nope, nothing.
[05:44] <crimsun> raz: did you paste your amixer output?
[05:44] <rixth> netoster, aMule is many times better than Limewire (www.slyck.com) but I think there is a limewire package for Ubuntu, apt-cache search limewire
[05:46] <raz> crimsun, never mind my stupidity, it does run from the Terminal with that cmd. I'll try w/o the Terminal.
[05:46] <crimsun> raz: but can you hear anything?
[05:46] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - #dnalounge irc.dnalounge.com - everone woke up and someone wants to help you
[05:47] <raz> crimsun, yes, absolutely.
[05:47] <crimsun> raz: ok, so it does work? ok.
[05:47] <odimambo> I can't start X, the message :
[05:47] <odimambo> An error occurred while loading or saving
[05:47] <odimambo> configuration information for gnome_segV. Some of
[05:47] <odimambo> your configuration setting may not work properly..Could help ?
[05:48] <raz> crimsun, on a totally unrelated topic.. is there a way to disable the little animation ubuntu performs when you minimize windows?
[05:48] <miss_jade> hey
[05:48] <miss_jade> everyone!
[05:48] <miss_jade> howz it going?
[05:48] <dabaSlon> wassup
[05:48] <dabaSlon> anyhow.
[05:48] <crimsun> seems like a window manager option
[05:48] <dabaSlon> raz, yes there is.
[05:48] <miss_jade> hey dabaslon
[05:48] <dabaSlon> the little squares?
[05:49] <miss_jade> hey crimsun
[05:50] <raz> dabaSlon,  hint? :) - not in windows manager
[05:50] <_shittydog> thats nice
[05:50] <dabaSlon> raz, Apps>Sys Tools>Conf Editor>Apps>Metacity>General>Reduced Resources.
[05:50] <dabaSlon> theres your hint:)
[05:50] <rixth> !fat32
[05:51] <dabaSlon> yes, very fat.
[05:51] <gnix_oag>
[05:51] <trinidad> crimsun: you still here?
[05:51] <dabaSlon> so, miss_jade, have anything else to say except hi?
[05:52] <rixth> I'm actually trying to find out how to mount a fat32 drive so that a normal user and write to it.
[05:52] <amonkey> how can i import a profile folder in thunderbird?
[05:52] <crimsun> miss_jade: hi.
[05:52] <gnix_oag>
[05:52] <crimsun> trinidad: yes, what's up?
[05:52] <trinidad> crimsun:  you have been quite a wonderful help, thank you so much for your time and patience
[05:52] <_shittydog> nalioth is pregnant
[05:52] <trinidad> crimsun:  everything is up and running fine now
[05:52] <dabaSlon> #ubuntu-zh is it?
[05:52] <_shittydog> congratulations
[05:52] <dabaSlon> shittydog, what?
[05:52] <dabaSlon> :)
[05:53] <dabaSlon> I said shitty...:)
[05:53] <raz> dabaSlon, thanky!
[05:53] <trinidad> crimsun:  any recommendations for a school that would teach me some basics of linux or similar knowledge to what you know that just fixed my machine?
[05:53] <dabaSlon> yeah, whatever...
[05:53] <dabaSlon> :)
[05:53] <_shittydog> nalioth found out that she is pregnant today, i was just saying congrats
[05:53] <nalioth> trinidad: www.tldp.org to start
[05:53] <dabaSlon> Hey I found out that my ex is pregnant with someone else than me:)
[05:53] <_shittydog> ha ha
[05:54] <trinidad> nalioth, congratulations and thank you....i have a 10 month old boy and boy what a joy it is!
[05:54] <trinidad> ;)
[05:54] <dabaSlon> I swear. I was totally scared it was mine, anyhow, not as happy a story...:-p
[05:54] <WebWiz> hey, i am trying to write a simple ruby/gtk program with Horay, and i installed ruby1.8 and libgtk2-ruby
[05:54] <_shittydog> everyone be sure to congratulate nalioth sometime tonight on being pregnant
[05:54] <WebWiz> but when i type require 'gtk' in irb it blows up
[05:55] <WebWiz> anybody here use ruby?
[05:56] <_shittydog> how do we feel about windows?
[05:56] <bassplayer> CarlK - there is no "tty00" file on the dev folder !!! does that affect ?
[05:56] <mattlins> I have a program that tells me to run it from the Source Tree.  What is that and how do I do it?
[05:56] <CarlK> bassplayer, how about tty01 ?
[05:56] <bassplayer> hmm..let me see
[05:57] <CarlK> bassplayer - er, tty0
[05:57] <bassplayer> oh
[05:57] <bassplayer> ok
[05:57] <synd> how much ram should i have hoary running on
[05:57] <trinidad> crimsun:  are you still here?
[05:58] <trinidad> THANK YOU
[05:58] <synd> i got 512MB, it almost seems like its not enough.
[05:58] <allyn> synd you use gno,e?
[05:58] <CarlK> synd - less than 128 hurts,
[05:59] <synd> CarlK: i figured..
[06:00] <_mr_wheeler> good morning everyone
[06:00] <synd> CarlK: i got gnome running on a p3 1Ghz with 256MB and a 1.7GHz celeron with 512MB, but i really see no difference between them
[06:00] <rixth> How cvan I see what aplications are using a filesystem? I can't umount it.
[06:01] <CarlK> synd - yeah, more is nice, but 128 seems to be the "need"
[06:01] <_mr_wheeler> nalioth are you there
[06:01] <timeless_> anyones how to install crossover.tar.gz
[06:01] <timeless_> when i try to extract it says unable t open
[06:01] <zenrox> i had ubuntu running on a 450mhz celron 64mbs of ram
[06:02] <synd> zenrox: i have it running on a p3 600mhz 128MB, and it runs decent
[06:02] <_mr_wheeler> nalioth you set up this computer...i need to know how much RA i have on this machine
[06:02] <zenrox> synd,  so did mine with gnome
[06:03] <nalioth> _mr_wheeler: 356mb
[06:03] <synd> zenrox: seems that xfce runs a bit better tho..
[06:03] <synd> zenrox: or fluxbox
[06:03] <_mr_wheeler> is that a better name?
[06:03] <zenrox> yep xfce did
[06:03] <zenrox> i am running it on a celron 2ghz 512mbs ddr
[06:03] <zenrox> right now
[06:03] <rj`> some new updates in breezy -- whats with the ubuntu-standard ubuntu-minimal packages? are those new meta-packagas?
[06:03] <rixth> What is gam_serve?
[06:04] <bassplayer> CarlK - do i have to save it or something ?
[06:04] <synd> im on a celeron 1.7ghz 512mb DDR
[06:04] <synd> emachine :D
[06:04] <zenrox> emachine too
[06:04] <rj`> atholon xp 2000+ 1.2ghz 512mb DDR
[06:04] <_mr_wheeler> i d/k what to talk about so i will just listen and wait for my wife to appear
[06:04] <synd> paid 300$ for this.. 4 years ago
[06:04] <rj`> emachine also
[06:04] <rj`> :)
[06:04] <zenrox> but with an upgraded mobo
[06:04] <rj`> :(
[06:04] <synd> boo!
[06:05] <synd> i really wish i didnt trash this old 1.3Ghz athlon..
[06:05] <synd> i figured it was useless
[06:05] <IcemanV9> mine runs on 128Mb hp duron 800MHz w/ xfce4
[06:05] <bassplayer> Carlk - how do i save it ?
[06:06] <synd> then a week later i discover a little thing called linux and ubuntu
[06:06] <CarlK> bassplayer escape:wq
[06:06] <_mr_wheeler> amd duron 1800 mhz 20Gb drive 356mb RAM
[06:06] <bassplayer> just exit ?
[06:06] <CarlK> bassplayer er, no esc
[06:06] <bassplayer> so ?
[06:06] <bassplayer> how ?
[06:06] <synd> can it run on Xeons?
[06:06] <cafuego> 1.5GB 1.8GHz AMD64
[06:06] <CarlK> bassplayer ":" = command, w=write, q=quit
[06:06] <cafuego> synd: yep
[06:06] <synd> i may yak a xeon from work tomorrow..
[06:07] <CarlK> bassplayer :wq<enter>
[06:07] <nalioth> synd: yak a couple for the rest of us, also, please
[06:07] <geneo93> yes
[06:07] <cafuego> synd: Xeons are just pentium 3s/pentium 4s.
[06:07] <CarlK> bassplayer - esc gets you out of editing
[06:07] <synd> cafuego: nice
[06:07] <synd> cafuego: i see
[06:07] <synd> nalioth: lol.
[06:07] <geneo93> anyone make xbox version of ubuntu
[06:07] <cafuego> but it does also run happily on (t)itanic
[06:08] <bassplayer> Carlk - and where do i put the :wk ?
[06:08] <CarlK> synd - I may moose a bison from my C class
[06:08] <synd> geneo93: lol
[06:08] <CarlK> bassplayer it will appear at the bottem of the screen
[06:08] <synd> CarlK: come again?
[06:08] <rixth> What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree
[06:08] <dr_willis> jusr use the command line to unrar stuff :P
[06:08] <bassplayer> CarlK - no, where ?
[06:08] <geneo93> synd:  mandrake has one
[06:08] <CarlK> synd - you were talking of yaks which remided me of bison and C compilers
[06:08] <CarlK> bassplayer - hit Esc first, then :wq
[06:09] <dieman> cafuego: some xeon's are em64t too, though.
[06:09] <|^iceman^|> can anyone tell me if fluxter has the capability to switch desktops by clicking on the panes... or is it just a display?
[06:09] <dieman> cafuego: so they can boot amd64 kernels.
[06:09] <synd> CarlK: ah! "yak" is slang around here for "steal"
[06:09] <cafuego> dieman: Yes, but they're still essentially P4's - not itaniums.
[06:09] <dieman> my fastest amd64 box so far is actually a 3.6ghz p4 :)
[06:09] <dieman> cafuego: ahh, missed that in the scrollback
[06:09] <rixth> synd, it's slang for vommiting here :)
[06:09] <dieman> itanic ick.
[06:09] <dieman> i've got a old itanium 1 around
[06:09] <dieman> its a good space heater.
[06:10] <trey> hello everyone
[06:10] <timeless_> anyones how to install crossover.tar.gz
[06:10] <synd> bah intel
[06:10] <synd> g5 eats everything else
[06:10] <CarlK> synd, yoink!
[06:10] <rixth> It's so funny, the Xbox360 games at e3 were running off g5s.
[06:10] <synd> rixth: here too :D
[06:10] <bassplayer> CarlK - it does'nt let me write!!... where do i write that, do i have to wirte it somewhere ?
[06:10] <rixth> Toobad ther was to AA
[06:10] <rixth> Too bad there was no AA*
[06:11] <synd> rixth: the xbox360 will have 3 3.6Ghz G5s\
[06:11] <ukato> hey everyone
[06:11] <IcemanV9> speaking of intel, Apple are thinking about using Intel for next line of machines - what's up with that?
[06:11] <synd> i mean 3.2
[06:11] <geneo93> cafuego:  stick loads of ram in the thing and use it
[06:11] <CarlK> bassplayer - you should be able to hit : and get a: prompt at the bottem of the screen
[06:11] <synd> three symmetrical cores
[06:11] <synd> IcemanV9: i read about that today
[06:11] <cafuego> synd: Bit sad considering they'll be used to power 640x480 TVs <heh>
[06:11] <nalioth> IcemanV9: its even weirder, the article i read said that there'd be one PPC and one x86 in each box
[06:12] <synd> cafuego: they have HD resoulution standard as well..
[06:12] <cafuego> geneo93: It only caches up to 512Mb ram, has severe issues if I plug in more.
[06:12] <ukato> i have a quick question, if i'm wanting to use a printer on another computer on my network that's running windows, do i have to do anything special to get it to work
[06:12] <ukato> or just double click "new printer"
[06:12] <rixth> synd, it's gonna cost a packet to buy.
[06:12] <bassplayer> ok....right...what wa is...wk ??
[06:12] <cafuego> synd: yes, but most people don't have a HD tv (and won't get one either until the next next xbos is released)
[06:12] <IcemanV9> who would have thunk that Apple would use x86 in our lifetime?!
[06:12] <CarlK> ukato - you need to setuyp the printer on win to be "shared"
[06:13] <synd> cafuego: thats true.
[06:13] <CarlK> bassplayer, wq<enter> for write, quit
[06:13] <cafuego> IcemanV9: Don't read too much into it, it's just the mac winmodems offload to a celeron ;-)
[06:13] <ukato> carlk, well, it's already used by other windows boxes, so it already is, right?
[06:13] <timeless_> how do i install libdvdcss
[06:13] <CarlK> ukato - yup, you are good to go. new printer, network, \\server\share ...
[06:13] <ukato> yess
[06:13] <geneo93> yes
[06:13] <ukato> so easy
[06:14] <cafuego> Time to rip teh guts out of this machine
[06:14] <ukato> okay, so i want to use samba, right?
[06:14] <nalioth> IcemanV9: the article speculated, that if Apple released an optimized for itanium build of OS<whatever>, it'd cut down on piracy (on reg'lar ol' pentiums)
[06:14] <bassplayer> CarlK - it gave me an error "1 more file to edit" !
[06:14] <synd> damn. the xbox360 will have 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2GHz each (G5), 512MB of 700mhz gddr3 ram
[06:14] <synd> i bet it could run ubuntu jsut fine : D
[06:15] <timeless_> ps3 is using a cell chip
[06:15] <timeless_> 4 hz
[06:15] <ukato> SMB means samba, right
[06:15] <timeless_> 4 ghz
[06:15] <synd> timeless_: ps3 is supposedly going to be a much faster machine
[06:15] <IcemanV9> nalioth: yea. i'm sure everyone is watching their move nowaday ;)
[06:15] <geneo93> the ps2 could run linux
[06:15] <bassplayer> CarlK - it gave me an error "1 more file to edit" !?
[06:16] <CarlK> bassplayer, um..
[06:16] <synd> ive seen OS X on an xbox
[06:16] <CarlK> bassplayer - :q (no write, just quit)
[06:16] <nalioth> timeless_: i'm waiting for the linux kit for ps3 to arrive
[06:17] <bassplayer> CarlK - and thats ok ???
[06:17] <lukyky> what is a good downloading program
[06:17] <CarlK> bassplayer - any idea what file it is trying to edit?
[06:17] <synd> lukyky: torrent
[06:17] <nalioth> lukyky: prozilla, wget, curl
[06:17] <nalioth> lukyky: yes, bittorrent
[06:18] <lukyky> ok thanks heaps
[06:18] <nalioth> lukyky: depends on what you want to d/l
[06:18] <geneo93> nalioth:  i dont see sony doing it
[06:18] <synd> nalioth: the hell is pozilla and curl?
[06:18] <bassplayer> CarlK - i make the ":wk" again and it worked !!!
[06:18] <nalioth> geneo93: why wouldnt they? linux on a cell chip? i'd buy it
[06:18] <CarlK> bassplayer - cross your fingers and hit Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace
[06:19] <mattlins> How do I watch dvds in  ubuntu?
[06:19] <CarlK> and then wonder why you are at a loging prompt
[06:19] <geneo93> konqueror is the best d/ler i have ever used
[06:19] <nalioth> synd: prozilla is a brute force downloader (uses multiple streams) and curl is a less brute downloader (scriptable)
[06:19] <synd> mattlins: www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:19] <synd> nalioth: p2p?
[06:19] <synd> -ish
[06:20] <nalioth> synd: p2p? bittorrent, emule, gnutella
[06:20] <CarlK> mattlins http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:20] <nalioth> synd: i only use the torrents
[06:20] <geneo93> mldonkey
[06:20] <dabaSlon> he meant if those programs are similar to p2p...
[06:20] <bassplayer> CarlK - ok, lets see!.... thanks a lot Carl, i'll be here in a moment.... maybe sad, or maybe happy
[06:21] <CarlK> ill be here
[06:21] <bassplayer> ok
[06:21] <mattlins> CarlK : thanks
[06:21] <synd> nalioth: ya, i meant what dabaSlon said
[06:21] <synd> nalioth: i see that prozilla is a "download accelerator"
[06:21] <nalioth> curl, proz and wget are for ftp, http d/l
[06:22] <nalioth> synd: that is a misnomer, it doesnt accelerate anything
[06:22] <synd> nalioth: i always thought "download accelerators" gimmick
[06:22] <synd> as a gimmick*
[06:22] <nalioth> synd: it uses as many streams as you want to use to download the file
[06:22] <synd> i supposed it runs along side mozilla?
[06:22] <dabaSlon> wow...thats pretty cool. if it means what I think it does...and, it does, since I read minds...
[06:22] <synd> -d
[06:23] <nalioth> synd: i've d/l 700mb ISO images in 20 minutes with proz (for me that is very fast, don't tell me if you have an oc12 or something, ok?)
[06:23] <synd> "..don't tell me if you have an oc12 or something, ok?"
[06:23] <synd> ?
[06:24] <nalioth> synd: some of these users are on a lot faster connection than I
[06:24] <synd> oh, well im sure
[06:24] <nalioth> synd: i didnt want to hear anyone coming back with "i can d/l a cd images in 2 minutes" or other grandstanding
[06:24] <synd> i average about 150-165kbs download
[06:25] <nalioth> synd, proz uses a user selectable number of streams
[06:25] <synd> should i try it out?
[06:25] <nalioth> synd: if you need something fast, and care not about your email or surfing while it d/l, you can select 20 streams (or some other wild number) and get it quick
[06:25] <nalioth> synd: if you regulary d/l large things
[06:26] <ukato> carlk, if you're still there, i just realized the printer driver isn't included with linux
[06:26] <ukato> am i screwed
[06:26] <nalioth> synd: i only use proz for cd or dvd images
[06:26] <sutabi> if I stick a cat5 cord into another ubuntu computer will I be abke to access its hardrive,cpu and etc?
[06:26] <CarlK> ukato - what printer?
[06:26] <nalioth> synd: cuz its brute force overkill for anything less than 100mb in size
[06:26] <ukato> HP OfficeJet 4215xi
[06:26] <dabaSlon> hey, I can download a cd image in like 5 minutes just through normal...:-p;)
[06:26] <timeless_> anyones how to install crossover.tar.gz
[06:26] <synd> nalioth: im thinking about d/l FC3
[06:26] <ukato> and i jsut checked HP's site
[06:26] <dr_willis> sutabi,  for a network to network conection with just a cable - you need  crossover cable.
[06:26] <synd> and its 3cds i tink
[06:27] <ukato> and a driver for linux isn't listed
[06:27] <dr_willis> sutabi,  or normal cables and a hub.
[06:27] <geneo93> gtg l8rs
[06:27] <nalioth> synd: go for it
[06:27] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to apt-get install something such that it recursively goes through and makes sure to reinstall every dependency?
[06:27] <nalioth> synd: proz is in the repos
[06:27] <synd> so prozilla will help out?
[06:27] <CarlK> ukato - bah...  i bet there is one that will work
[06:27] <nalioth> synd: and its easy to use (even has a gui, if you're a weak-sister)
[06:27] <CarlK> BROKEN_LADDER - thats what apt does
[06:28] <ukato> carlk, so trial and error them?
[06:28] <nalioth> synd: prozgui is the name of it
[06:28] <sutabi> dr_willis, normal cables?
[06:28] <sutabi> like usb?
[06:28] <nalioth> synd: and if you want to see the brute power, use 10 streams
[06:28] <dr_willis> sutabi,  hmm.. network cables  :P
[06:29] <CarlK> ukato - hang on.. looking for a linuxprinter site...
[06:29] <synd> nalioth: i should also get prozilla from the repos too, right?
[06:29] <ukato> thanks
[06:29] <synd> stupid question
[06:29] <nalioth> synd: prozgui will not install w/o proz
[06:29] <sutabi> but I dont need a hub right? unless I am using  wanting a real newwork?
[06:29] <dr_willis> sutabi,  either use normal network cables and a hub.. or a "crossover' network cable.
[06:30] <sutabi> got ya thanks ^_-
[06:31] <dabaSlon> sutabi, you can only connect two computers through one crossover cable from one NIC to the other, or, using a cat5 cable from one NIC, to switch/hub/router and then from the device to the other NIC.
[06:32] <i3dmaster> /quit
[06:33] <timeless_> is a firewall necessary
[06:34] <timeless_> which program can i use to install microsoft office
[06:35] <CarlK> ukato - I would try this http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_driver.cgi?driver=hpijs
[06:35] <nalioth> timeless_: windoze
[06:35] <Luakagon> hi
[06:35] <nayif> can i use paltalk on ubuntu ?
[06:35] <nayif> hi Luakagon
[06:36] <IcemanV9> timeless_: wine?
[06:37] <timeless_> ok
[06:37] <timeless_> from synaptics
[06:37] <CarlK> timeless_ - why ofice?
[06:38] <dabaSlon> why run that...anyhow, prolly has a reason...
[06:38] <ukato> hm
[06:38] <ukato> ok
[06:38] <timeless_> i am just bored and i am trying to make my notebook cool and try to understand why people love linux over windows as i prepare to take over the world
[06:39] <nalioth> timeless_: save yourself some trouble, and use openoffice
[06:39] <dabaSlon> nice answer...
[06:39] <timeless_> what is open office
[06:39] <duncanjm> timeless_: Taking over the world will be quicker with ubuntu
[06:39] <dabaSlon> :) do you have ubuntu installed?
[06:39] <ukato> carlk, so then, HOST is the computer name, right, printer is the printer's share name, and username and password are for  the windows account?
[06:39] <Madpilot> timeless_: you can't take over the world, Bill Gates won't like that... :)
[06:39] <nalioth> timeless_: a fully office compatible office suite
[06:39] <timeless_> the one that comes with ubuntu
[06:40] <timeless_> however i still didn't get the libdvdcss and i tried the restricted formats page it doesn't work
[06:40] <CarlK> ukato - um... sounds good.
[06:41] <rixth> What package do I need to allow File Roller to support rars? unrar doesn't work, nor does unrar-nonfree
[06:41] <timeless_> the one that comes with ubuntu
[06:41] <timeless_> and sound doesn't work in vlc
[06:41] <ukato> carlk, okay, i'll work on this. thanks for all the help
[06:42] <CarlK> good luck
[06:42] <ukato> thanks again
[06:42] <whyameye_> timeless_: there is an esd plugin for vlc. Are you using that? Anyway I gave up on vlc because sound studdered on it and I couldn't figure out why. I use totem-xine instead
[06:42] <CarlK> it is abot that time.. hope bassplayer gets his mouse working.. much more fun that way
[06:43] <WebWiz> anybdoy here use ruby
[06:44] <dr_willis> rixth,  Hmm.. my fileroller seems to support rar
[06:45] <rixth> dr_willis, ah yes, I need rar AND unrar
[06:45] <TriniTriggs> hey, what do you guys think about using FAT32 (er, VFAT) for a home folder?
[06:46] <dr_willis> rixth,  i just made an rar with it.. and extracted it.
[06:46] <duncanjm> Prolly a useless question: Does ubunto have a live cd version? (you know like knoppix, myth, puppylinux, etc.?)
[06:46] <dr_willis> ive added the extra repositories and installed all the rar related packatges I think.
[06:46] <dr_willis> duncanjm,  yes it does
[06:46] <rixth> duncanjm, Indeed.
[06:46] <sidnei> any serious surgery going on on X packaging on breezy?
[06:46] <whyameye_> anybody here use openVPN?
[06:46] <duncanjm> rixth: From the main ubuntu site?
[06:47] <dr_willis> there even a dvd version thats a live cd. and an isntaller cd.
[06:47] <rixth> duncanjm, yes.
[06:48] <timeless_> no way to play xvid divx and stuff
[06:48] <dr_willis> Hmm im playin divx video's right now :P
[06:48] <dr_willis> and avi's and about anything else ive happendd to download.
[06:48] <duncanjm> Doh, I shoulda checked under Download: InstallCD <-> LiveCD -- OK, now I'll try it at work! :) :)
[06:48] <timeless_> using
[06:48] <whyameye_> dr_willis, what player do you use?
[06:48] <dr_willis> mplayer and xine.
[06:49] <dr_willis> i seem to have some sound issues with some videos and xine/totem. Mplayer seems to work best
[06:49] <whyameye_> dr_willis, I tried to install Mplayer and Synaptic told me there were dependencies that couldn't be met.
[06:49] <timeless_> everytime i open mplayer it says error maybe path is wrong
[06:50] <dr_willis> whyameye_,  perhaps a check of the ubuntuguide.org and the ubuntu wiki's will  help ya out.
[06:50] <saber_> try this out for mplayer: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[06:50] <saber_> that's the only place i was able to get transcode going w/o breaking the packaging system
[06:50] <X7C> :( openoffice got stuck and i can't kill the process :(
[06:50] <saber_> (coincidentally, it also has mplayer)
[06:51] <abarbaccia> X7C, you can always kill the process
[06:51] <dr_willis> now transcode - i dont thin ive gotten it working yet.  :P
[06:53] <duncanjm> X7C: You know the process id? (um, comand is 'top' or 'nice').
[06:53] <abarbaccia> timeless_, try ubuntuguide.org and xine - i've never had problems with xine
[06:53] <whyameye_> timeless_, have you downloaded the restricted formats?
[06:53] <timeless_> how do i get that
[06:53] <abarbaccia> timeless_, www.ubuntuguide.org
[06:53] <doug_gg> wow, lots of folks in this channel
[06:53] <timeless_> ok
[06:53] <IcemanV9> X7C: sudo kill -9 <pid>
[06:53] <abarbaccia> its like yoda for ubuntu
[06:54] <X7C>  i did it using the interface thingie
[06:54] <X7C> thanks anyway
[06:54] <nate__> yoda for ubuntu, lol
[06:54] <abarbaccia> ;)
[06:54] <doug_gg> rimind me of the new Star War move
[06:54] <nate__> i haven't seen it yet
[06:54] <abarbaccia> what a great movie
[06:54] <abarbaccia> nate__, see it tonight
[06:54] <abarbaccia> seriously
[06:54] <abarbaccia> its that good
[06:54] <nate__> i heard it wasn't that spectacular, but it was alright
[06:54] <doug_gg> how many of you are running hoary
[06:55] <abarbaccia> almost all of us
[06:55] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, are you considering breezy
[06:55] <doug_gg> i am still in the previous version
[06:55] <doug_gg> what its code name anyway?
[06:55] <abarbaccia> oh, then definitely upgrade
[06:55] <abarbaccia> breezy
[06:55] <doug_gg> no
[06:55] <abarbaccia> but note the topic
[06:55] <abarbaccia> hoary
[06:55] <doug_gg> breezy is the next
[06:55] <abarbaccia> just hoary
[06:55] <rommer> doug_gg: warty
[06:55] <doug_gg> no , before hoary
[06:55] <abarbaccia> oh warty
[06:55] <doug_gg> oh,yes
[06:55] <doug_gg>  thanks
[06:56] <doug_gg> i am still running warty
[06:56] <NeoSadist> can anyone please send me some info or files from /etc/acpid/
[06:56] <IcemanV9> warty -> hoary -> breezy -> ???
[06:56] <X7C> whoary :p
[06:56] <doug_gg> man, i just figure out i cannot mount a audio cd-rom
[06:56] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, you should edit your sources to say hoary and just dist-upgrade
[06:56] <doug_gg> iwill , thanks
[06:56] <abarbaccia> lol
[06:56] <nate__> warty->hoary->breezy->lindowsXP
[06:56] <abarbaccia> but run an apt-get update first!
[06:56] <doug_gg> so, my question is how can i play music cd ?
[06:56] <X7C> !
[06:57] <doug_gg> XMMS cannot understand /dev/hdc1 for example
[06:57] <X7C>  warty->hoary->breezy-> chilly whore
[06:57] <NeoSadist> i'm trying to get some acpid custom stuff working but i accidentally overwrote the originals, need the originals
[06:57] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, with any of the players that are installed. --music is tracks, not files, so dont even think of it that way - its just /dev/hdc
[06:57] <nate__> XMMS is a drunk quadrapeligic crack-baby
[06:57] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, i would first upgrade to hoary (shouldnt take more than 15 min) then just run cdplayer
[06:58] <doug_gg> so, for instance, when i use XMMS, just open /dev/hdc1 instead of /media/cdrom0 ?
[06:58] <nate__> you know you love the crack-baby
[06:58] <nate__> w00t
[06:58] <abarbaccia> no no no
[06:59] <abarbaccia> im saying its just /dev/hdc
[06:59] <abarbaccia> hdc1 means first partition on hdc
[06:59] <nate__> like crack
[06:59] <abarbaccia> which doesnt exist
[06:59] <nate__> hdcrack
[06:59] <X7C> can i make xxms dissapear from the window list panel?
[06:59] <doug_gg> ok
[06:59] <abarbaccia> X7C, yea, uninstall it -- lol
[06:59] <X7C>
[06:59] <doug_gg> i will upgrade the dist tomorrow
[06:59] <nate__> hansolo does crack
[06:59] <nate__> hdc
[06:59] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, do it tonight
[06:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet jesus CarlK people in #dnalongue are assholes
[06:59] <abarbaccia> just tell it to upgrade
[06:59] <dr_willis> he means not show up in the taskbar listing
[06:59] <dr_willis> :P
[06:59] <abarbaccia> lol - iknow
[06:59] <X7C> :p
[06:59] <doug_gg> man, it will take me another hour
[07:00] <nate__> do crack tonight
[07:00] <nate__> dct
[07:00] <X7C> let's gooooogle
[07:00] <IcemanV9> doug_gg: back up ur important stuff 1st! (never know ... )
[07:00] <timeless_> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats doesn't say how to install the codecs
[07:00] <sutabi> How would I set an exacutabe file ot be able to run the command in a terminal with type directory?
[07:00] <doug_gg> yeah, Iceman, good point
[07:00] <timeless_> for xvid divx
[07:00] <nate__> sorry, i'm really stupid tonight
[07:01] <doug_gg> haha... btw , my experience installing Gentoo was a pain in the ass
[07:01] <dr_willis> Gentoo gets easy once you install it about 4 times.
[07:01] <dr_willis> :P
[07:01] <dr_willis> and know some linux FUNdamentals
[07:01] <NeoSadist> hey can someone please send me or paste me some files from /etc/acpi/* ?  i was working on customizing some of the scripts in there but i didn't back up the originals, i'd like to see what someone has as the default mandrake/mandriva event scripts
[07:01] <doug_gg> took me 7 freaking hours just to build the damn X-org
[07:01] <nate__> timeless_, do the part about codecs in this, it got it all workin for me: http://stanton-finley.net/fedora_core_3_installation_notes.html#MPlayer
[07:01] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, well, you shouldnt have to build anything really
[07:02] <timeless_> ok nate ima try
[07:02] <abarbaccia> gentoo is a great distro, just not for first timers
[07:02] <dr_willis> doug_gg,  it pays to use the premade packages for a fast install. then upgrade them :P if you are in that much of a hurry
[07:02] <nate__> i'd like to try gentoo, on a box i don't plan on using for a few months
[07:02] <nate__> i don't have one of those yet, though
[07:02] <doug_gg> oh, yeah, unless you're really pursuaded by Gentoo philosophy, "getting 3-4%" performance
[07:03] <nate__> emerge for days
[07:03] <nate__> w00t!
[07:03] <dr_willis> doug_gg,  i never cafed about that % gain. :P
[07:03] <dr_willis> err.. worried. :P
[07:03] <X7C> nope...
[07:03] <X7C> :(
[07:03] <nate__> anyone know if the portage system resolves dependencies?
[07:03] <X7C> at least on gnome not...
[07:04] <nate__> anyone?
[07:04] <abarbaccia> someones gotta help me - im trying to share a folder on my network, but it refuses to show up - i have samba and smbfs installed
[07:05] <nate__> abarbaccia, my experiences with samba have taught me that sometimes samba simply doesn't work for no apparent reason
[07:05] <doug_gg> i have used Redhat first, then Slackware, then Fedoram then Mandrake, and now Ubuntu
[07:05] <dr_willis> you may need to enable the 'browseable' feature.
[07:05] <dr_willis> all the samba issues ive seen - could be blamed on windows :P
[07:05] <abarbaccia> nate__, but i had it working on my network at school without issues
[07:05] <doug_gg> i think i will stuck with Ubuntu for a long time
[07:05] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, myself as well
[07:05] <dr_willis> ive fought and learned and twiddled with samba quite a bit. :P
[07:05] <nate__> abarbaccia, exactly my point, its freakishly weird
[07:06] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, think you can shed some light onto my situation
[07:06] <nate__> dr_willis, please do
[07:06] <abarbaccia> nate__, it does a lot when it works though
[07:06] <doug_gg> i think Redhat is pretty good, until Redhat ( the company) dropped supporting and move it to Fedora
[07:06] <X7C> can samba work over different subnets ?
[07:06] <nate__> abarbaccia, i have an external hdd with 20 GB, so no real need for samba here
[07:06] <doug_gg> Fedora is really bad, i don't like its memory footprint that much
[07:07] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  you editing the samba config manually? or  configurign it how?
[07:07] <nate__> redhat/fedora has been poor for a long time, imo
[07:07] <abarbaccia> nate__, i'm trying to share folders on my mythTV box with the rest of my roommates
[07:07] <clay> i used to really love gentoo, but the ports are always way behind its not worth it anymore
[07:07] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, i was just letting the gui handle it
[07:07] <nate__> abarbaccia, oooh, fun :)
[07:07] <nalioth> night all
[07:08] <nate__> abarbaccia, I haven't set up such a thing, my box is pretty minimal, just for programming and playing wolfenstein
[07:08] <abarbaccia> nate__, very - whole DVD movies transcoded to < 2GB streaming over the network!  and MP3's for all!
[07:08] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  may want to edit the config and enable the 'browseable' option.. the 'useing samba' book is online and worth a read.
[07:08] <doug_gg> anybody know the next release date for breezy?
[07:08] <abarbaccia> october
[07:08] <abarbaccia> nate__, check out www.mythtv.org - its some cool stuff
[07:08] <nate__> abarbaccia, will do
[07:08] <doug_gg> what is that MythTV ?
[07:08] <doug_gg> PC VCR?
[07:09] <IcemanV9> doug_gg: october as in 5.10 :)
[07:09] <dr_willis> yep
[07:09] <abarbaccia> PC VCR is an understatement.  www.mythtv.org
[07:09] <abarbaccia> "multimedia portal"
[07:09] <doug_gg> you mean 05/10/2005
[07:09] <abarbaccia> no
[07:09] <abarbaccia> 10/'05
[07:09] <doug_gg> ok
[07:09] <abarbaccia> october 2005
[07:09] <IcemanV9> actually, breezy 5.10
[07:10] <dr_willis> i was going to make a mythtv box.. but then i found a dvd-recorder/vcr thing :P that was only $230
[07:10] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, i bet my mythtv box does a whole lot more :)
[07:11] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  the tv tuner card i was going to use was priced at $300 or so i decided to stick with this thing.  it runs decent.
[07:11] <dr_willis> wife allready wants to steal it.
[07:11] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, right now its recording a show, im watching a pre-recorded TV show from yesterday, its ripping a DVD to the hard drive while encoding another to DivX- after its done with that it'll get all the movie info + covers and everything else about the movie, and best of all - its running ubuntu
[07:11] <doug_gg> how eay is it to get MythTV up and running?
[07:11] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, you need high def
[07:11] <nate__> abarbaccia, wow, mythtv is NUTS
[07:11] <nate__> abarbaccia, thats a lot of functionality
[07:11] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  not really :P
[07:11] <abarbaccia> nate__, indeed - and go to www.asus.com and check out hte pundit case - that's what its running in
[07:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> whenever i run jackd it seg faults.
[07:12] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, what card was $300
[07:12] <timeless_> nate the plugins that they ask for are not in my synaptics
[07:12] <abarbaccia> dr_willis, even the high def ones made strictly for linux uses is only 170
[07:12] <dr_willis> abarbaccia,  the top end haupage one :P
[07:12] <doug_gg> lol, my TV card is Hauppauge, got it for 60 bucks
[07:12] <dr_willis> Actually isent there a usb tuner out now that has linux support.
[07:12] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, bet it doesnt do hardware encoding
[07:12] <dr_willis> i have a $40 haupage card - and it has nasty 'sound' :P
[07:12] <nate__> abarbaccia, tight, do you need a powerful machine for this?
[07:13] <doug_gg> i just use it to watch TV, that's it
[07:13] <JairunCaloth> is there a way to toggle to annother desktop, like a hot key or something
[07:13] <dr_willis> I got a LCD monitor thtas also a tv :P
[07:13] <doug_gg> don't really have time yet to look into more advanced stuff like MythTV
[07:13] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stock at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:13] <abarbaccia> nate__, if you get a tv card that does the encoding to mpeg4 in hardware, rather than letting the CPU do it, no - mines running a celeron D at 2.4 GHz - but people run old PIIIs successfully
[07:13] <JairunCaloth> cause I'm used to being able to alt-tab out of fullscreen stuff but I can't do that under linux
[07:14] <nate__> abarbaccia, tight, what cards do hardware encoding?
[07:14] <nate__> abarbaccia, any relatively inexpensive one you recommend?
[07:14] <abarbaccia> nate__, www.hauppauge.com - for ease of setting up, consider the pvr-250
[07:14] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:14] <clay> i want to build a mythtv box with one or two pvr-500s
[07:14] <abarbaccia> nate__, the pvr-150 is still developmental in the drivers, so its not too friendly -
[07:14] <lowlux> or fix it
[07:15] <dr_willis> JairunCaloth,  check the 'keyboard shortcuts' perferances
[07:15] <dieman> its hard to do hdtv with myth, tho
[07:15] <DaveQB-work> what options must you compile in to the kernel to NOT need to make an initrd ?
[07:15] <dieman> you need heavy duty hardware.
[07:15] <doug_gg> abarbaccia, are you one of Ubuntu dev team member?
[07:15] <dieman> most of the time.
[07:15] <abarbaccia> nate__, you can imagine how much my roommates at college love me when they access the pvr over the web and schedule their recordings
[07:15] <abarbaccia> doug_gg, nope - just a college kid who started using linux a few months ago! :)
[07:15] <lowlux> does any one know how to fix this??
[07:16] <abarbaccia> lowlux, did you check the md5sum on the CD?
[07:16] <DaveQB-work> i compiled in ext2/3 and ATA controller and it cant mount the hdd on boot
[07:16] <dieman> like, i've got a semtron 2800+, nforce2 mobo, agp video card, etc and it eats the whole machine just about.
[07:16] <sutabi> if I prevented hotplug from loading, whould that be the reason why my Ethernet\USB stuff dont work?
[07:16] <nate__> abarbaccia, i'd like to set one up, but $150 is too much for me right now
[07:16] <lowlux> what is the md5sum
[07:16] <doug_gg> ok, nite averybody, talk you later
[07:16] <nate__> abarbaccia, the 150 has hardware encoding too
[07:16] <timeless_> anyone knows to make mpegs play in either xine or mplayer
[07:16] <yahalom> how can i check if i have prelinking enabled?
[07:16] <sri_> man, gnome on ubuntu breezy is so fubar'ed it's not even funny
[07:17] <lowlux> what is the md5sum
[07:17] <yahalom> sri_, meaning?
[07:17] <abarbaccia> nate__, right, but the drivers are developmental - really a pain - i hadda do it - but not fun at all - much time spent - you can find those cards cheap on buy.com
[07:17] <abarbaccia> lowlux, when you first downloaded the ISO, you should've ran checksum on it so it makes sure the download is all correct
[07:17] <nate__> abarbaccia, can you tell me how you set up the drivers?
[07:17] <abarbaccia> nate__, im going to write a guide
[07:18] <lowlux> well im on windows......
[07:18] <abarbaccia> nate__, if you want to learn more about it before you venture into it, hang out in #mythtv-users
[07:18] <fidget> are there any linux programs to convert a mp4 to a mp3?
[07:18] <abarbaccia> fidget, google first please!
[07:18] <fidget> what is a mp4 anyways?! i've never seen it in my life ...
[07:19] <abarbaccia> lowlux, google for you as well
[07:19] <nate__> abarbaccia, write it up, i can give you a slot on my website if you need it
[07:19] <fidget> ah shrugs alright thought it might be quicker to ask someone knowledgable
[07:19] <abarbaccia> nate__, i will definitely consider the offer - let me get it functional completely, and setup another box (i have 2) using just the guide and be sure i have it all correct
[07:19] <nate__> abarbaccia, or better yet, can you write a script to set up the driver?  That would be tons easier for people to use
[07:19] <raz> has anyone noticed that if you go to 'add to panel' (on the bottom bar) and you slide down till the 'fish', that the whole window will freeze?
[07:20] <abarbaccia> nate__, it would, but hardware is not the same on all boxes
[07:20] <nate__> abarbaccia<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:20] <nate__> write it down, hit me up when its functional :)
[07:20] <abarbaccia> oh, its functional, but the guide isnt
[07:20] <nate__> oh, yeah, the guide i mean :)
[07:20] <timeless_> anyone knows to make mpegs play in either xine or mplayer
[07:20] <abarbaccia> lol - its a notepad sitting next to my desk with pages of crap written down
[07:20] <abarbaccia> timeless_, by default?  check on www.ubuntuguide.com
[07:21] <abarbaccia> timeless_, that was ubuntuguide.org
[07:21] <nate__> i can get a p4 system with 512 MB ram (crappy video) for about $150, the whole system, monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.  So throw a $70 card on top of that and i have a decent system for that purpose
[07:21] <timeless_> i am there now
[07:21] <nate__> and only for $220 or so
[07:22] <nate__> timeless_, the codecs didn't work?
[07:23] <raz> has anyone noticed that if you go to 'add to panel' (on the bottom bar) and you slide down till the 'fish', that the whole window will freeze?
[07:23] <zenum> hey
[07:23] <nate__> raz, mine doesn't freeze up
[07:24] <keffo> hm, If I have a dc_download @ /mnt/1-40gb
[07:24] <nate__> raz, something with your machine
[07:24] <synd> how come FC3 is so much bigger than Ubuntu? ie. it takes 4 install discs
[07:24] <raz> k.. fresh install
[07:24] <keffo> and make one on my 3-100b
[07:24] <zenum> does anyone know how to make the windows button bring up the KDE menu?
[07:24] <keffo> hm
[07:24] <keffo> bah
[07:24] <nate__> synd, cuz its a bloated piece of poo
[07:24] <raz> now even panel properties gives an error
[07:24] <timeless_> nate the install u gave for fedora don't work
[07:24] <nate__> timeless_, it did for me man
[07:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i try to run jackd it seg faults.  anyone know why?
[07:24] <nate__> make sure you're using sudo in front of those commands
[07:25] <synd> nate__: is it worth my time checking it out? more importantly is it worth the 4 black CDRs?
[07:25] <brandonn> zenum: I think you have to map ctrl-esc to whatever action you want
[07:25] <timeless_> i don't see the plugins they ask for in syNAPTICS
[07:25] <mpm> can anyone help wme with an unresolvable dependency?  I'm trying to apt-get gstreamer0.8-lame, but it says it depends on libc6 (>=2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed... thanks in advance
[07:25] <nate__> synd, it is absolutely not worth your time, it wasn't even worth your time spent thinking about whether it was worth your time
[07:25] <nate__> timeless_, you have to download the plugins
[07:25] <xero> hey guys... i installed a pre-release of ubuntu, and now for some reason i my packet manager or the ubunu update thingi willnot update any packages... what can i do to fix this?
[07:25] <synd> nate__: i see. well i just thought about it because i have a few friends that swear by it
[07:26] <synd> nate__: and ive yet to see it for myself.
[07:26] <zenum> brandonn: Yeah i tried that but it doesnt work, control-escape obviously work but the Win button doesnt replicate the action
[07:26] <rixth> What the command to get your cpu speed?
[07:26] <nate__> timeless_, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/all-20050412.tar.bz2
[07:26] <dr_willis> mpm,  trying to isntall transcode?
[07:26] <brandonn> zenum: I'm not sure then, my laptop doesn't have a windows button for me to test
[07:26] <synd> xero: note the topic "DO NOT USE BREEZY YET"
[07:26] <lowlux> md5sum is not working
[07:26] <mpm> dr_willis: trying to get sound-juicer to rip mp3 format
[07:26] <nate__> synd, ubuntu is far superior to fedora, i used fedora core 3 before this, and since i tried ubuntu, i will not go back to fedora
[07:26] <dr_willis> mpm,  hmm. :O
[07:27] <egg|> :)
[07:27] <mpm> dr_willis: any ideas?
[07:27] <synd> nate__: i see. maybe i should show them this : D
[07:27] <lowlux> md5sum is not working
[07:27] <xero> synd: what is breezy? i am tlaking about the pre-release of hoary that was out a month or 2 back
[07:27] <nate__> synd, yes, have them install ubuntu on an extra hdd and see how superior it is to fedora
[07:27] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:27] <sutabi> is there a way to speed up X11 if you cant have useFBDev true?
[07:27] <dr_willis> mpm,  not really thers some 'gotchas' in some of the multi-media tools :( been checking the wikis myself.. may want to check there first
[07:27] <abarbaccia> xero, breezy is whats next
[07:27] <synd> xero: why are you using a pre-release still?
[07:28] <abarbaccia> anybody know how to get firefox 1.04 installed?
[07:28] <timeless_> nate i downloaded the file
[07:28] <xero> synd: what do i have to do to upgrade?? i figured the packet manaer would just update for me
[07:28] <rixth> What the command to get your cpu speed?
[07:28] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help
[07:28] <nate__> timeless_, follow the directions on that list, but instead of su -, do sudo -s
[07:28] <mpm> abarbaccia: it's not officially ubuntu build yet I don't think are you running into mozilla shutting you out of extensions?
[07:28] <xero> synd: i dont want to reformat if @ all possible... and i have the release cds avail too
[07:28] <nate__> timeless_, start at: "Open the terminal. Type:"
[07:29] <brandonn> OpenOffice2 is asking for a Java Runtime enviroment, anyone know exactly what file it's looking for?  I installed the jre 1.5.0 from Sun
[07:29] <synd> xero: apt-get update
[07:29] <nate__> timeless_, end at "The codecs for MPlayer, Xine and Kaffeine are now installed."
[07:29] <synd> xero: and then apt-get upgrade
[07:29] <lowlux> im using ubuntu live CD about close to the end of the boot it gets stuck at creating user... 63% does any one know how to get past this???? help how can i fix this??
[07:29] <synd> xero: your repos are all there, correct?
[07:29] <lowlux> why the hell does it have to creat a user on a live cd
[07:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> when i try to run jackd it seg faults.  anyone know why?
[07:30] <nate__> lowlux, not a clue, we're pretty much all people who have ubuntu installed.    Or atleast get help switching back to metacity?
[07:43] <abarbaccia> nate__, he needs to be outside of temp - the parent folder
[07:43] <timeless_> yeah
[07:43] <benplaut> worksucks05: metacity --replace
[07:43] <lowlux> this is the file size...... is it right? 624 MB (655,259,648 bytes)
[07:43] <nate__> abarbaccia, i'll make it simple for him
[07:43] <clay> lowlux: md5 it, damnit
[07:43] <lowlux> HOW?
[07:43] <synd> nate__: not yet, im reinstalling ubuntu on this older p3 laptop of mine
[07:43] <clay> i already posted how
[07:43] <abarbaccia> lowlux, only one bit needs to be off - download a md5 checker for windows
[07:43] <clay> read your scrollback
[07:43] <synd> and it hung at the network interfaces thing
[07:43] <worksucks05> thanks, I tried it but it doesn't seem to work, I will go try again, thanks
[07:44] <nate__> synd, yeah, i had to remove all interfaces from hotplug in my install
[07:44] <synd> im so tired
[07:44] <synd>  and i gotta be up for work in 4.5 hrs
[07:44] <nate__> synd, on my laptop, cuz i din't know if i'd be using the ethernet port or the wireless, i manually up the interfaces now
[07:45] <synd> nate__: i see
[07:45] <benplaut> worksucks05: if it still doesn't work, try "killall openbox; metacity &"
[07:45] <synd> nate__: i had a helluva time getting ubuntu to use the wireless card i had bought for this tower
[07:45] <benplaut> (without quites)
[07:45] <nate__> synd, ha
[07:46] <synd> hopefully i can get away with one of the xeons at work tomorrow
[07:46] <nate__> heh, THIEF!!!
[07:46] <lowlux> crap ill just redownload it.
[07:46] <synd> just borrowing it : )
[07:47] <nate__> heh
[07:47] <clay> "borrow" one for me too, please ;)
[07:47] <nate__> riiiiight
[07:47] <_phate_> 'm having network issues. When I first installed Ubuntu, I could get the full 100Mbps on my local net work and could average about 315kbps on my cable connection. Now I can only average about 24kbps for both my local network and my cable. I know its has something to do with linux because when I boot into windows (yes, I dual boot ) and the network connection is fine. Anyone have any ideas?
[07:48] <synd> i pushed out a few packages using SMS today.. to about 750 computers on 5 different continents
[07:48] <wsg> anyone know the link to the nvidia installer for ubuntu
[07:49] <synd> wsg: you should find it in ubuntuguide.org
[07:49] <dabaSlon> _phate, did  you try reinstallinmg? maybe some network program is using the network, like a downloader, server, etc. Do you monitor your network traffic? there is applets for that, and firestarter tells you exactly how much you send and receive.
[07:50] <jb1> trying to build gnusound 0.7 but getting "gnome_config_set_xxx" & "gnome_config_get_xxx" errors.   I can only login through Gnome Failsafe.  I installed openbox, but it hung on startup, and wouldn't let me in.  I then tried to revert back to metacity, but it boots into openbox and hangs aswell.  Any suggestions?
[07:55] <clay> i use the livecd on my gf's laptop, it works well
[07:55] <nate__> i dunno, for a boot cd linux i'd just use knoppix
[07:56] <nate__> or auditor, or helix
[07:56] <nate__> depending on what i was doing
[07:56] <clay> knoppix is clunky and slow
[07:56] <clay> one ubuntu was loaded it was pretty nice to use
[07:56] <nate__> yeah, i wanna make my own version of knoppix
[07:56] <nate__> stripped down and made for speed, for wolfenstein
[07:57] <clay> not to mention i'm a gnome guy and can only use kde for so long
[07:57] <nate__> clay, make your own knoppix distro
[07:57] <clay> bah
[07:57] <clay> i don't use livecds enough to bother
[07:57] <benplaut> worksucks05: no idea... ask some of the resident experts at ubuntu forums
[07:57] <dabaSlon_slp> yeah, maybe that.
[07:58] <nate__> clay, yeah, but i think about a custom distro for supporting computers and i get all excited
[07:58] <clay> thats what linux is about
[07:58] <clay> having fun
[07:58] <nate__> clay, one with security and forensics tools
[07:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's working now!
[07:58] <nate__> yeppers :)
[07:58] <worksucks05> will do, thanks
[07:58] <nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, cool! :)
[07:58] <clay> there is knoppix-std and phlak for security/forensics
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> sometimes rebooting cures everything.
[07:59] <nate__> yeah, auditor and helix work better
[07:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> or just shows that you don't know linux well enough to not have to reboot.
[07:59] <nate__> but i'd like to combine what i like from all of them
[07:59] <clay> never tried those..
[07:59] <WillieDaPimp> help!  my keyboard doesn't work during install
[07:59] <nate__> helix is the bomb for forensics
[08:00] <nate__> WillieDaPimp, what kind of keyboard?  can you find a generic ps2 one for just the install?
[08:01] <WillieDaPimp> it is a ps/2
[08:03] <WillieDaPimp> any suggestions?
[08:03] <worksucks05> Anyone here have a favorite internet radio station?
[08:04] <worksucks05> just need something
[08:05] <WillieDaPimp> so nobody knows what i should do?
[08:06] <Madpilot> worksucks05: http://www.radioparadise.com/index.php  <-- really odd all-music mix. Fun.
[08:07] <shinu> is there a way to see whats still using my hard drive or not? i cant umount it.
[08:07] <shinu> though i think i switched off all the proceses that use the hd
[08:08] <joh> shinu: fuser -m -v /dev/hdX ?
[08:08] <WillieDaPimp> is there a way for me to install ubuntu with the keyboard i have?
[08:08] <shinu> joh: ok ill try that
[08:08] <joh> shinu: alternativelly fuser -m -v /mount/point or lsof | grep device/mount point
[08:08] <WillieDaPimp> mandriva and suse work descent....
[08:09] <hhurtta> WillieDaPimp: then perhaps you should stick with them...
[08:09] <shinu> uh...
[08:09] <shinu> joh: thanks a lot :)
[08:09] <joh> shinu: no problem
[08:09] <WillieDaPimp> but i wanted to try this one
[08:10] <joh> WillieDaPimp: then try it then ;)
[08:10] <WillieDaPimp> the keyboard doesn't work during install
[08:18] <Super_dude> how do i activate my sound its not working need to use modprobe help me find out what to probe plz.
[08:18] <navreet> how can I play a DVD??
[08:19] <WillieDaPimp> i thought this ubuntu was supposed to be for the people but i still haven't seen anybody offer any kind of help here
[08:19] <gibbie> i got help the other day...lol
[08:19] <daniels> WillieDaPimp: perhaps because no-one knows what to do, largely because PS/2 keyboard installs generally work
[08:19] <gibbie> btw...anyone know how to remove the volume monitor and recording level monitors?
[08:21] <navreet> how can I play a DVD??
[08:21] <glick> scuse me all
[08:21] <navreet> i don't have a /dev/dvd
[08:22] <glick> i use debian
[08:22] <glick> i hear a lot of good things about ubuntu
[08:22] <glick> thinkin of givin it a try
[08:22] <navreet> glick, go for it! :)
[08:22] <glick> i know its debian based but will is it very similar?
[08:22] <gibbie> navreet:  does your dvd rom drive read anything at all?
[08:22] <glick> and how is it different?
[08:22] <navreet> gibbie, yeah, the DVD got mounted
[08:22] <dude> how do i activate my sound its not working need to use modprobe help me find out what to probe plz.
[08:22] <navreet> gibbie, i can see it on my gnome desktop
[08:23] <gibbie> ok then it's at least mounted...
[08:23] <navreet> glick, more user friendly, stuff works out-of-the-box 90% of the time
[08:23] <super_dude> how do i activate my sound its not working need to use modprobe help me find out what to probe plz.
[08:23] <gibbie> navreet:  do you get video but just no sound?
[08:23] <glick> does user friendly mean they hide the OS from you like in mandriva and redhat with weird scripts and stuff that are hidden all over the place?
[08:24] <glick> whats the stable current release?
[08:24] <gibbie> super_dude: are you using ALSA or OSS drivers?
[08:24] <navreet> gibbie, I can't play it in totem or mplayer
[08:24] <navreet> gibbie, totem just kinda sat there, so I forced quit it
[08:24] <super_dude> alsa.. i think :P
[08:25] <gibbie> navreet:  i'm not much help with dvd video...don't even have DVD drive myself... I know a little about sound though.
[08:25] <mtrisk> glick: of ubuntu? 5.04 Hoary
[08:25] <navreet> gibbie, on different systems i've done stuff like mplayer dvd://
[08:25] <glick> does ubuntu allow you to choose what you want installed or does it install everything, or can you fine tune an install?
[08:25] <navreet> and it has worked
[08:26] <mtrisk> glick: it's basically a one flavor sort of install
[08:26] <gibbie> super_dude:  simply removing and reinstalling your alsa drivers may work...worked for me
[08:26] <mtrisk> glick: very much unlike say...fedora
[08:26] <rommer> if i install apt-get install ssh, what program is the ssh server?
[08:26] <glick> mtrisk, so i cant be like dont install kde
[08:26] <gibbie> at the command prompt try "apt-get remove alsa"   then "apt-get install alsa" afterwards as sudo su
[08:26] <glick> or dont install x
[08:26] <glick> ?
[08:27] <glick> i cant choose what i want installed?
[08:27] <mtrisk> glick: AFAIK, not really
[08:27] <gibbie> super_dude:  after reinstalling alsa drivers you may need to run "alsamixer" from a terminal and check the master, pcm, and DAC levels
[08:27] <glick> mtrisk, that kina sucks!
[08:28] <super_dude> no it dont i just upgraded to hoary so i had the same problem on warty i used modprobe....somfing to fix it can you help me find out what the bit im probing is
[08:28] <gibbie> super_dude:  i've gotten sound to work with a modprobe in the past also, but have found this method to be easier.
[08:29] <super_dude> so what do i do plz
[08:29] <gibbie> super_dude:  you can search the archives at linuxquestions.org.  I have a post about how I did a modprobe in mandrake to get my sound to work...my handle is jagibbs there
[08:30] <glick> to upgrade to different releases do i have to reinstall the entire OS?
[08:31] <bob2> glick: of course not
[08:31] <bob2> glick: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[08:31] <bob2> glick: there'll be pages like that for each release
[08:31] <gibbie> super_dude:  here's the link...it was on the Mandrake board...don't know if it will help....    http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?showtopic=20466
[08:32] <super_dude> ok
[08:32] <super_dude> ty
[08:34] <glick> When you install Ubuntu, you will typically install a complete desktop environment. It is also possible to install a minimal set of software (just enough to boot your machine) and then manually select the precise software applications to install. Such a "custom" install is usually favoured by server administrators, who prefer to keep only the software they absolutely need on the server.
[08:34] <navreet> anyone know how to fix it so that /dev/dvd is mounted?!
[08:34] <glick> nice
[08:34] <gibbie> super_due:  I think using the previous apt-get remove and install commands will automatically reinstall also if your modprobe attempts don't work.
[08:35] <navreet> anyone know which dev node my dvd drive might be one?
[08:35] <joh> navreet: /dev/hdc perhaps?
[08:35] <joh> navreet: depends on how many cd-drives you have on your computer.
[08:36] <ckeen> anyone here used qemu?
[08:36] <joh> ckeen: yes
[08:36] <mtrisk> navreet: or hard drives
[08:36] <glick> canonical funds ubuntu?
[08:37] <joh> glick: yes
[08:37] <glick> who is canonical and why/how are they funding this?
[08:37] <bob2> glick: www.canonical.com
[08:37] <lifeless> glick: dude! www.canonical.com & www.ubuntu.com
[08:37] <ckeen> everytime i install an os it works, but everytime after the first boot the hdd stuffs up
[08:37] <glick> bob2, didnt you used to be a debian user?
[08:38] <bob2> glick: I still am
[08:38] <glick> bob2, u use ubuntu as well
[08:38] <glick> ?
[08:38] <bob2> yes
[08:38] <glick> where do you use debian and where do you use ubuntu?
[08:39] <gibbie> navreet:  If you see your DVD drive on the desktop then it is probably already mounted... is the drive already listed in your /etc/fstab file?
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> if i compile ardour myself, what should i set as the path? scons PREFIX=/usr
[08:40] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: depends, I use /usr/local for self-compiled programs
[08:40] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: /usr/local/
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's what i thought..
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> hx
[08:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> thx
[08:40] <glick> bob2, where do you use debian and where do you use ubuntu?
[08:41] <bob2> glick: ubuntu on my laptop and desktop and a server, debian on another couple of servers and my mips machine
[08:41] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: but you could ofcourse use any path, but /usr/local is normal.
[08:41] <glick> bob2, so for a laptop/desktop you recommend ubuntu?
[08:42] <bob2> glick: depends who you are.  I went with it because I was in a hurry and it Just Worked
[08:42] <bob2> that and mdz insisted we all test it ;)
[08:42] <dr_willis> Wasent HP offering some laptops with ubuntu?
[08:42] <glick> bob2, what do you mean depends who i am?
[08:42] <joh> hehe
[08:43] <bob2> dr_willis: yes
[08:43] <navreet> gibbie, k, now I can get the video
[08:43] <bob2> glick: "you recommend ubuntu?" -> "depends who is asking me"
[08:43] <navreet> gibbie, but no sound... it crashes if I try to play sound (mplayer)
[08:43] <navreet> glick, yes
[08:43] <joh> glick: IMHO ubuntu works great as on laptops and desktops but also on servers. Running it on one server here and debian on two others.
[08:43] <glick> bob2, lol im a student
[08:43] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:44] <gibbie> navreet:  do you get sound from other players?   xmms or others...?
[08:44] <bob2> glick: I more mean "what do you want out of an OS? how skilled are you with debian/ubuntu?"
[08:44] <navreet> gibbie, yep, alsa works like a charm, i can even hear sounds from other media played through mplayer
[08:45] <Nula> anyone knows a decent alternative to gnome-panel?? I'm really getting tired of the showstopper bugs in gnome-panel
[08:45] <glick> bob2, im not a newbie but not a super guru either
[08:45] <gibbie> navreet:  hmm.. probably not something I can help with then.  like i said, i've never played a DVD on any computer before...ever.
[08:45] <joh> Nula: showstopper bugs in gnome-panel?
[08:46] <navreet> hey cyphase
[08:46] <joh> Nula: gnome-panel works great IMO.
[08:46] <bob2> glick: ubuntu might be for you then
[08:46] <Nula> joh: I'm probably exgerating .. since I'm angry at it
[08:46] <navreet> Nula, same here
[08:46] <joh> Nula: what's wrong with it then?
[08:46] <glick> oh yeah joh
[08:46] <glick> yeah there are some things about debian which irk me
[08:46] <Nula> joh: example, I uncheck the expand button and the next time I login all my applets are COMPLETELY in a messed up order
[08:46] <Nula> such as the clock replaces the Menu button
[08:46] <Nula> and if the apps are locked.. I have to unlock every single one of them
[08:47] <Nula> rearrange it in the correct order
[08:47] <joh> Nula: oh, think I've had that problem before, but that was a long time ago
[08:47] <bob2> Nula: have you cheked bugzilla?
[08:47] <gibbie> all:  just switch to XFCE4 from Gnome
[08:47] <Nula> bob2: not yet
[08:47] <joh> gibbie: good for you
[08:48] <gibbie> all:  ;)
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to make a .desktop file different and have it stay that way and not get overwritten, even when you upgrade with apt-get?
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want to reorganize my menu.
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> but everytime i change things, they get written over.
[08:48] <bob2> not if you're putting it in /usr/
[08:48] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  could chmod it :P  or back it up and restore it every login.
[08:48] <Nula> but does anyone knows an alternative to gnome-panel?? I'll try to report the bugs.. but until the next working version comes out in 30-40 months I want something that works
[08:48] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis i think i chmodded and that still didn't work.
[08:48] <bob2> chmod'ing won't help
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> yeah.
[08:49] <bob2> /usr/ is dpkg's territory
[08:49] <dr_willis> Hmm - i cant think of any bugs ive seen with Panel.
[08:49] <dr_willis> theres the gdesklet replacements for the panel..  i think.
[08:49] <dr_willis> but they may be 2x as buggy :P
[08:49] <joh> dr_willis: ugh, gdesklets! Welcome memory leaks! :P
[08:49] <dr_willis> joh,  yep :P
[08:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> it drives me absolutely bonkers how they name things by their description instead of their name.  There is a name and comment field, so for gedit it should be GEDIT, TEXT EDITOR.  Instead it's TEXT EDITOR, EDIT TEXT FILES or something terrible like that.
[08:49] <Nula> heh
[08:49] <Nula> that's sad
[08:49] <Nula> :(
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> gdesklets suck?
[08:50] <Nula> I just thought of something
[08:50] <Nula> I could also use the XFCE panel
[08:50] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  Hmm  My menu have the name of the program...
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would they be more prone to memory leaks?
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis no way.
[08:50] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: that is much more user friendly than actually displaying the program name.
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis  look in accessories.
[08:50] <navreet> sweet, ogle worx
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it's not.
[08:50] <BROKEN_LADDER> it makes it take longer to find programs.
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the comment/description is what the comment field is for joh
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the name is, duh, for the name.
[08:51] <dr_willis> of course i got kde and loads of other things installed. I do know that KDE has options for just what you are ranting about :P
[08:51] <dr_willis> Ive seen otehr Disrtos do the exact same thing.
[08:51] <bob2> of course it has an option
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> the .desktop file should be correctly written, then you can leave it up to the menu to have configurability to display the comment instead of the name if a user chooses.
[08:51] <bob2> their preferences thing has so many options it needs a search engine
[08:51] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde sucks.
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol bob2
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> kde is a wreck.
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> i won't bash it anymore sorry.
[08:52] <gibbie> yeah yeah we all know
[08:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's one of those heated things like arguing against creationists.
[08:52] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, most users care about what it does, not what it is called
[08:52] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: have you checked the gnome HID? http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/desktop-integration.html#desktop-application-menu
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> BurgerMann so let them choose to look at its comment.
[08:53] <dr_willis> I like kde in some ways.. and gnomes in a few others. :P
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> BurgerMann the NAME is the NAME of the program.
[08:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> BurgerMann if you want people to see the description, have it list the description first, then the name.  But don't falsify the .desktop files!
[08:53] <drspin> I use XFCE with Nautilus -- all the benefits of GNOME -- half the momory footprint :)
[08:53] <BurgerMann> lol
[08:53] <drspin> *memory
[08:54] <Nula> I like the Kde main panel better hahaha
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't like xfce.  it keeps getting better but i still feel sick of it after ten minutes.
[08:54] <^burgermann> there...
[08:54] <dr_willis> xfce is nice in so many ways.. and weird in so many others. :P
[08:54] <mtrisk> it's all about the e17
[08:54] <mtrisk> :P
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> gnome is pretty slick nowadays.  i don't know how they did it, but _finally_ if i touch to create a file in terminal, nautilus shows it instantly.
[08:54] <joh> dr_willis: it's fast though :P but that's about it
[08:54] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't think it's polling.
[08:54] <Nula> I give a thumbs down to the Xfce Rox filer
[08:54] <Nula> it's not as good as nautilus
[08:54] <drspin> I got a quick/dumb question -- if I run Quake3 in windowed mode, is there a way to release the cursor back to the WM??
[08:54] <iceman> what the apt get command to get kde ?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> beos tracker is/was the coolest file manager ever.
[08:55] <drspin> Nula: I agree Rox sux --
[08:55] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it's a kernel addon I think.
[08:55] <dr_willis> drspin,  i think theres a keybinding you can do to get it out.
[08:55] <Nula> drspin, I haven't found a way
[08:55] <Nula> drspin, that's kinda ironic
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh it is a kernel module yes i believe that's right.
[08:55] <dr_willis> BeOS's file manager was weird in some ways also. :P
[08:55] <drspin> dr_willis: any idea where to look??
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh the issue is that for so long apps didn't take advantage of it.
[08:55] <dr_willis> drspin,  in the keybinding menu config :P
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis name one way in which it was weird?
[08:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> er.. .
[08:56] <iceman> what the command to download KDE
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 does nautilus talk to a daemon to receive file/directory update notices?
[08:56] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  i do belive that if you drag folder foo, onto say folder bar.. and there was a 'foo' allready with files in it.. it would basicially DELETE the existing folder.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> icebalm apt-get install kde
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> icebalm sudo apt-get innstall kde
[08:56] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: gamin.
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis  no it would ask
[08:56] <iceman> ty
[08:56] <dr_willis> BROKEN_LADDER,  ie; it dident sort of merge folders when  copying.  It dident ask me when i did it ages ago. :P
[08:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> dr_willis beos tracker was the slickest thing ever.
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> merge?
[08:57] <mtrisk> hey is there any reason sudo would be asking me for a password?
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> are you crazy?
[08:57] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't know for sure though. I know that HAL takes advantage of some file monitoring in the kernel.
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> nautilus doesn't do that either.
[08:57] <iceman> Package kde has no installation candidate humm did not work
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> mv/cp don't do that either.
[08:57] <dr_willis> beos had some grovy features that never got used much. but for the most beos is dead. :()
[08:57] <mtrisk> oh wait, nvm that
[08:57] <^burgermann> There's no religion to KDE, Xcfe or Gnome, now .. is there? So what's the fuzz =)
[08:57] <Nula> mtrisk, it would be a problem if it WASNT asking for a pass
[08:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh there is the file alteration module.
[08:57] <mtrisk> nula: i just thought it was asking me for root pass, not my own :)
[08:58] <Cristobal> how do i change the black theme in x-chat anyone know
[08:58] <Nula> :)
[08:58] <Tezkah> ^burgermann: you're right
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh i forget what the notification is called but some daemon runs, i think, and receives that notification from the kernel when something changes in a directory.
[08:58] <Tezkah> the true religion is icewm
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> theme in xchat?
[08:58] <cyphase> I'm never wrong. Once, I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was mistaken.
[08:58] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: yes. I think it's called "notify" :P
[08:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> joh har har..no there's a name for it.
[08:58] <Nula> the true religion is init.rd
[08:58] <Nula> or maybe /boot
[08:58] <^burgermann> lol
[08:58] <Tezkah> emacs!
[08:58] <Nula> anything with more eyecandy than that is a waste of cpu cycles
[08:58] <iceman> tried aptget install kda ... no luck ?
[08:58] <^burgermann> a true religion is no religion :P
[08:58] <bloodwulf> fvb
[08:59] <joh> BROKEN_LADDER: actually, I think that's the name of the kernel part.
[08:59] <alexmacy> hi
[08:59] <freelux> where can I found Ubuntu Hoary CD/DVD's covers to download ?
[08:59] <glickinator> hey if i compile my own kernel
[08:59] <Cristobal> al, f
[08:59] <Cristobal> alex,g
[08:59] <Cristobal> alex, fd
[08:59] <Nula> there are cd covers??
[08:59] <glickinator> will that break my ability to upgrade from release to release?
[08:59] <Cristobal> alex: gg
[08:59] <Nula> where??
[08:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 so you say there's no way currently to permanently change properties of .desktops?
[09:00] <iceman> Package kde has no installation candidate all i get with apt get ?
[09:00] <Cristobal> anyone know when a new version of crossover is coming out
[09:00] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't know, but editing it in /usr/ is not ever going to work
[09:00] <bob2> iceman: install kubuntu-desktop
[09:00] <bob2> iceman: assuming you pointed apt at an internet mirror
[09:00] <Tezkah> apt-get install icewm
[09:01] <joh> glickinator: from kernel-release to kernel-release, yes.
[09:01] <dr_willis> apt-get me a beer
[09:01] <iceman> lost me ... new to this .. but i hate gnome
[09:01] <Tezkah> hopefully you'll all install it before you realize what it is
[09:01] <Tezkah> then it will be too late
[09:01] <bob2> iceman: #kubuntu then
[09:01] <glickinator> joh, what do you mean?
[09:01] <dr_willis> the kubuntu homepage details the kde part of ubuntu. :P it works quite well
[09:01] <Nula> iceman: can I hear one reason??
[09:02] <glickinator> joh, cant i use my custom kernel?
[09:02] <Nula> iceman: is it slow? ugly?
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: err, ubuntu will never upgrade your kernel unless you specifically ask it to.
[09:02] <iceman> downloaded it ... installed ... graphic suck ... driver only allows me 640x480 resolution ..
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: sure you can.
[09:02] <ivan> any ubuntu repositories with transcode?
[09:02] <Nula> sigh
[09:02] <bob2> iceman: that has nothing at all to do with gnome
[09:02] <Nula> iceman: that has nothing to do with gnome ....
[09:02] <glickinator> joh, can i still upgrade with cutom kernel running?
[09:02] <ws007> www.cyber.webcam.com
[09:02] <iceman> went back to ubuntu ...
[09:02] <dr_willis> ivan,  i think thers some issues with it. :(
[09:02] <bob2> kubuntu will have the exact same problem
[09:02] <bob2> ws007: ?
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: upgrade what?
[09:02] <joh> glickinator: the software?
[09:02] <bob2> glickinator: sure, you can upgrade ubuntu with it...
[09:02] <glickinator> official ubuntu releases
[09:03] <bob2> glickinator: what was missing from the ubuntu kernel that you wanted?
[09:03] <joh> glickinator: yes, ofcourse.
[09:03] <iceman> gnome has good resolution ... kde should
[09:03] <glickinator> some distros dont like it when you mess with kernels
[09:03] <iceman> just need to get the download
[09:03] <joh> glickinator: hehe, well ubuntu is not one of them.
[09:03] <ivan> dr_willis, i used the one from debian
[09:03] <dr_willis> i think that with the latest kde and gnome you can set different resolutions on a per user basis with the preferance tools.. but ive never messed with it much
[09:03] <ivan> from apt.cerkinfo.be
[09:03] <Nula> iceman: give me some of that stuff too! I'm kinda depressed right now
[09:04] <drummer87> I can't mount CDs properly :( can someone help me??
[09:04] <dr_willis> ivan,  yea..  theres some dependency issues or somthing.. and ive not looked into it much.
[09:04] <GammaRay> is there a floppy network install?
[09:04] <bob2> drummer87: you need to be more specific about what isn't working
[09:04] <glickinator> man xfce4 rocks
[09:04] <bob2> GammaRay: using pxeboot, yes
[09:04] <iceman> kdm .. ?
[09:04] <glickinator> even this old as version im stuck using
[09:04] <glickinator> with debian
[09:04] <iceman> nope kdm did not work .. ?
[09:05] <drummer87> they won't automount.. i have to do mount /dev/hda
[09:05] <ivan> glickinator, yea, i like how you can go from login to your desktop in about 5 seconds
[09:05] <glickinator> drummer87, what wont automount?
[09:05] <drummer87> CDs
[09:05] <glickinator> ivan, yeah and it looks sweet too
[09:06] <glickinator> drummer87, music cds?
[09:06] <GammaRay> bob2: the same? http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=pxeboot
[09:06] <drummer87> and then when i select eject it umounts but has an error saying eject: can't open /dev/hda
[09:06] <glickinator> why are you mount a cd as /dev/hda?
[09:06] <glickinator> hda is usually the first harddrive
[09:06] <drummer87> music CDs won't mount at all.. bas fs type or something when i mount from terminal
[09:06] <glickinator> unless you have no ide drives
[09:06] <glickinator> drummer87, music cds are not mountable
[09:06] <ivan> glickinator, http://img271.echo.cx/img271/2991/desktop5og.png that's my xfce desktop
[09:07] <bob2> GammaRay: that looks like it.  you just need to setup a tftp and dhcp server
[09:07] <AMCDeathKnight> How can I copy dvds using Linux easily?
[09:07] <ivan> AMCDeathKnight, http://kavlon.org/index.php/dvdbackup
[09:07] <dr_willis> AMCDeathKnight,  doing thta right now :P
[09:07] <glickinator> ivan, that looks hot
[09:07] <ivan> same
[09:07] <k31th> watsup bob2
[09:07] <bob2> AMCDeathKnight: you can use dvdbackup to back them up
[09:07] <geordi> just installed ubuntu for the first time, where is gcc?
[09:07] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, apt-get install gnomebaker
[09:07] <drummer87> i can't read them at all though, yesterday i could as they came up with a desktop icons called Audio and the player came up to play it
[09:07] <Tezkah> http://people.uleth.ca/~ryan.reamsbottom2/icewm.png TAKE THAT SIMPLICITY
[09:07] <dr_willis> depends on the kind of dvd also. :P
[09:07] <ivan> geordi, apt-get it
[09:07] <glickinator> ivan, yeah im stuck using shitty 4.0, but its not that shitty, but i bet 4.2 is much hotter
[09:07] <AMCDeathKnight> which one lol
[09:07] <mtrisk> geordi: you have to add the package manually
[09:07] <GammaRay> bob2: that page says it requires special hardware though
[09:08] <bob2> geordi: it's in the faq, which is in the topic: install the build-essential package
[09:08] <drummer87> btw, the kernel was updated yesterday in a system update
[09:08] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, too many choices gotta hurt :(
[09:08] <ivan> glickinator, yea, i'm using 4.0 on this deb machine, and 4.2 on my ubuntu laptop
[09:08] <glickinator> ivan, can i not install kde or gnome, or are those default
[09:08] <drummer87> could that have caused a problem?
[09:08] <AMCDeathKnight> Which is the easiest yet most effective
[09:08] <iceman> humm why can't apt-get find kde ?
[09:08] <bob2> GammaRay: well, there's some pxe thing you can put on a floppy disk and use boot
[09:08] <drummer87> everything worked fine b4 today
[09:08] <Tezkah> iceman: try kdebase
[09:09] <ivan> glickinator, i hear they're the default, but mine never installed
[09:09] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, gnomebaker is a general purpose CD/DVD burning app
[09:09] <dr_willis> iceman,  because its called like 'kubuntu' or somthing :P let me see
[09:09] <glickinator> ivan at install can you choose not to install them?
[09:09] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[09:09] <Nula> AMCDeathKnight, the other one is obviously for bakcuping up and copying DVDs .. gnomebaker does audio cds too
[09:09] <geordi> thanks for the responses :) got it figured out
[09:09] <joh> ivan: please, take kde ubuntu discussion to #kubuntu
[09:09] <dr_willis> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:09] <Ghetek> anybody know of a good apt-getable program that does stuff with html, something like dreamweaver?
[09:10] <Tezkah> Ghetek: have you tried emacs?
[09:10] <ivan> this isn't kde ubuntu talk
[09:10] <Nula> Ghetek, bluefish is ok ..
[09:10] <Nula> Ghetek, screem is another
[09:10] <joh> ivan: yes it is.
[09:10] <wolverian> Ghetek: a WYSIWYG editor? nvu is probably the only one worth it.
[09:11] <wolverian> Ghetek: or Amaya.
[09:11] <bob2> recommending emacs to people who ask for something like dreamweaver is a pretty terrible idea
[09:11] <wolverian> Ghetek: in general, WYSIWYG editors are hateful.
[09:11] <Ghetek> cool, thanks
[09:11] <ivan> joh, i'm talking about ubuntu
[09:11] <ivan> not kubuntu
[09:11] <joh> ivan: you are talking about kde on ubuntu
[09:11] <mtrisk> glickinator: type custom at the boot cd prompt
[09:12] <ivan> i'm talking about xfce on ubuntu
[09:12] <k31th> dreamweaver runs in wone iirc
[09:12] <k31th> wine
[09:12] <k31th> but thats cheating
[09:12] <Tezkah> bob2: if there is something that emacs cannot do... its probably not worth doing
[09:12] <joh> ivan: sorry, that was meant for iceman :P
[09:12] <glickinator> thanks mtrisk
[09:13] <bob2> Tezkah: sure, but put someone who's never used unix before in front of it and they will have no idea
[09:13] <bob2> (I use emacs, but I still don't recommend it to people who aren't going to appreciate it)
[09:13] <ivan> joh: it's ok, i didn't lose too many tears
[09:13] <Tezkah> nah, most real web designers would tell you to use notepad instead of something like dreamweaver, but yeah I see what you mean
[09:13] <cafuego> @cafuegosmite bob2
[09:13] <ubotu> cafuego: I give up, what is it?
[09:13] <cafuego> liar :-)
[09:14] <iceman> shoot ?
[09:14] <bob2> GammaRay: http://rom-o-matic.net/
[09:15] <iceman> How to find kde for ubuntu ...
[09:15] <cafuego> iceman: apt-get install kde?
[09:15] <joh> iceman: #kubuntu for kde on ubuntu questions please.
[09:15] <ivan> Tezkah, xfce looks alot better
[09:15] <iceman> tried that
[09:15] <dr_willis> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop      For the last time...
[09:16] <Tezkah> ivan: xfce is nice, I agree
[09:16] <dr_willis> its the #1 item on the kubuntu Faq/homepage :P
[09:16] <Tezkah> but for "so simplistic it hurts"... icewm can't be beat
[09:16] <iceman> k ... will try kubuntu-desktop ...
[09:16] <Tezkah> XFCE has a bad battery monitor applet
[09:16] <Tezkah> I use it when I'm not in icewm or Windows
[09:17] <ivan> what about fluxbox?
[09:17] <dr_willis> I still like "WindowMaker" in ways
[09:17] <Tezkah> I agree, its an awesome window manager
[09:17] <iceman> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop humm ... did not work
[09:17] <Ghetek> repositories...
[09:17] <dr_willis> yep - it pays to have all the right repositories added :P
[09:17] <drummer87> dvds don't work at all either.. someone pls help me..  :'(
[09:18] <cafuego> @find kubuntu-desktop
[09:18] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: (Kubuntu desktop system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.40 (hoary), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[09:18] <cafuego> Would it be in universe?
[09:18] <kediv> slt
[09:18] <kediv> speak french
[09:18] <joh> iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallingKDE/view?searchterm=kde
[09:18] <kediv> please
[09:18] <Burgundavia> cafuego, it is in main
[09:18] <dr_willis> and its only 32kb! :p
[09:18] <dr_willis> lol
[09:18] <cafuego> kediv: why?
[09:19] <iceman> @find: command not found   shoot
[09:19] <Burgundavia> kediv, try #ubuntu-fr
[09:19] <kediv> j'ai un probleme
[09:19] <joh> dr_willis: it's only a virtual package :P
[09:19] <cafuego> kediv: Pourquoi? Te ne parle pas anflais?
[09:19] <kediv> je n'arrive pas a trouver mes dd
[09:19] <kediv> ouai avec du mal
[09:19] <Burgundavia> kediv, cafuego move to #ubuntu-fr please
[09:19] <cafuego> Burgundavia: Hey, I exhausted my knowledge of french <heh>
[09:19] <iceman> whats best way to update mirrors ...
[09:20] <Burgundavia> iceman, what is the issue you have?
[09:20] <glickinator> k3b is hot!
[09:20] <kediv> je debute sous linux
[09:20] <iceman> want to install kde ...
[09:20] <Burgundavia> iceman, and you cannot find kubuntu-desktop?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> iceman, I assume you have searching in synpatic for it?
[09:21] <iceman> typed apt-get install kubuntu-desktop no luck
[09:21] <joh> iceman: use synaptic to change repositories.
[09:21] <romm3r> where is the open ssh server config file ?
[09:21] <glickinator> hehe it crashed
[09:21] <Burgundavia> iceman, can you paste your sources.list in #flood please?
[09:21] <iceman> how to get source list ?
[09:21] <joh> romm3r: /etc/ssh/ ?
[09:22] <kediv> merci @+
[09:22] <Burgundavia> iceman, ok, open synaptic
[09:23] <iceman> opened it ..
[09:23] <Burgundavia> settings-->repos
[09:24] <iceman> cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] /
[09:24] <glickinator> k3b kept crashing
[09:24] <glickinator> so
[09:24] <glickinator> correction
[09:24] <glickinator> cdrecord rocks!
[09:24] <Burgundavia> iceman, open the text editor
[09:24] <glickinator> hehe
[09:24] <phxguy> can someone help me out.... My linux wont Boot
[09:24] <Burgundavia> iceman, and hit open
[09:25] <Burgundavia> phxguy, you running hoary or breezy>
[09:25] <iceman> k
[09:25] <phxguy> Im running hoary
[09:25] <Burgundavia> iceman, now hit ctrl-l
[09:25] <joh> iceman: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:25] <Burgundavia> and type /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:25] <iceman> k
[09:25] <cafuego> excess flood?
[09:26] <phxguy> I just did an Update from synaptic now I get the Erro "Kernal Panic - not syncing VFS; unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[09:26] <Burgundavia> now paste that into flood
[09:26] <Burgundavia> phxguy, known bug
[09:26] <phxguy> Burgundavia, so how do i get back to my previous system
[09:26] <drummer87> glickinator, i have a sata hdd at /dev/sda .. dvd-rw at /dev/hda .. and dvd at /dev/hdb. in fstab the type column for hda has this: 'udf,iso9660' is this right?
[09:27] <Burgundavia> phxguy, can you do 'dpkg -l libc6\*'
[09:27] <glickinator> drummer87, use auto
[09:27] <phxguy> no again my system doesn't boot at all
[09:27] <Burgundavia> oh, crap
[09:27] <ivan> what package provides mplex
[09:27] <phxguy> i get the above kernel panic
[09:27] <glickinator> 'auto'
[09:27] <iceman> ok putting in flood ...
[09:27] <Burgundavia> phxguy, did you have any debian repos enabled?
[09:28] <phxguy> nope no debian repos at all
[09:28] <Burgundavia> phxguy, marilliat? hoary-extras?
[09:28] <phxguy> i did the 386 and 686 kernel updates from synaptic
[09:28] <Burgundavia> hoary-backports?
[09:28] <joh> phxguy: try booting your old kernel
[09:28] <phxguy> nope none of those either
[09:28] <iceman> pasted all source lists file in flood
[09:29] <Burgundavia> iceman, you are running warty, you need to upgrade to hoary to get kubuntu-desktop
[09:29] <Burgundavia> iceman, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/WartyToHoary
[09:29] <phxguy> joh, I have tried all the kernels i have listed and they all give the same kernal panic
[09:29] <phxguy> im in crappy windoze @ the moment
[09:29] <Burgundavia> iceman, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes/view?searchterm=upgrade
[09:29] <joh> phxguy: hmm, and all you did before was a dist-upgrade?
[09:30] <phxguy> Burgundavia, i do have hoary-backports in my sources list
[09:30] <Burgundavia> joh, known bug https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135
[09:30] <phxguy> joh yup from synaptic too
[09:30] <Burgundavia> phxguy, which sections, do you remember?
[09:30] <iceman> ? no apt get command to upgrade ?
[09:30] <sebastyan> anyone have any idee why Evolution does not work under Ubuntu ??
[09:30] <Burgundavia> iceman, you need to edit your sources, and then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:30] <Raskall> if I use split to split a file, do I just use cat to merge them together?
[09:30] <sebastyan> every time ask for a password ( because he say is bad )
[09:30] <phxguy> Burgundavia, what do you mean .. which sections?
[09:30] <sebastyan> but my password is 100% good
[09:31] <Burgundavia> phxguy, main, universe, etc.
[09:31] <phxguy> oh I have all the default repos and hoary backports is all
[09:31] <glickinator> xfce4 uses some nice fonts
[09:31] <glickinator> by default
[09:31] <Burgundavia> phxguy, did you enable all the sections of the backports? main, restricted, universe and multiverse
[09:31] <glickinator> real nice on the eyes
[09:32] <phxguy> i think it was just main and maybe universe
[09:32] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:32] <joh> Burgundavia: ah
[09:32] <Burgundavia> phxguy, if you read the bug I posted, there is a fix in comment 4
[09:32] <Burgundavia> joh, why backports are a bad thing
[09:32] <iceman> updateing
[09:33] <joh> Burgundavia: yes
[09:33] <phxguy> im checking it out now
[09:34] <Burgundavia> joh, what baffles me is why they are breaking
[09:34] <runge> hi. where would I be able to download breezy?
[09:34] <joh> Burgundavia: as far as I can see from that bug report is that some got a newer version of glibc
[09:35] <iceman> humm try restart ...
[09:35] <benplaut> runge: are you sure you want to? it is very unstable
[09:35] <Burgundavia> joh, but I cannot see a new version in backports
[09:35] <joh> Burgundavia: not backports, but ubuntu sid
[09:35] <joh> Burgundavia: (see last comment)
[09:35] <Burgundavia> joh, 2nd to last is me
[09:36] <phxguy> Burgundavia, ok sorry i think you mentioned it already but where is the fix??
[09:36] <joh> Burgundavia: ah :)
[09:36] <df00z> Hey. Laptops that use the i830G graphics chipset, with the LCD scaling and whatnot..is that supported by the i830G driver?
[09:36] <df00z> If I switch to 640x480 I just get a box in the middle of my screen
[09:36] <joh> Burgundavia: the people posting this bug has not posted their sources.list nor dpkg -l libc6\*?
[09:37] <runge> benplaut, I have tried gentoo and ubuntu to try to install it on a HP Proliant DL145 server. none of them can handle the scsi.I thought I might try to see if _any_ linux dists can fix it
[09:37] <runge> benplaut, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36640&highlight=hp+dl145
[09:37] <joh> phxguy: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11135#c4 try that
[09:38] <AMCDeathKnight> How would I copy a dvd; I need to get rid of everything but the main movie, how would I do this to fit onto a 4 gig dvd
[09:38] <iceman> shoot ... dang aptget ... just want kde ...
[09:38] <benplaut> runge: installing breezy won't help anything... and they are in the middle of switching to GCC4.0 right now... wait until a preview is released to update
[09:39] <Burgundavia> joh, I just added the ubuntu backports and I don't see it there
[09:39] <phxguy> joh, I thought breezy was really buggy right now
[09:39] <joh> Burgundavia: must be debian sid main then
[09:39] <joh> phxguy: yes it is :P
[09:39] <Burgundavia> phxguy, breezy is, I am running it
[09:39] <Burgundavia> joh, might be, but that would be mad
[09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> How would I copy a dvd; I need to get rid of everything but the main movie, how would I do this to fit onto a 4 gig dvd
[09:39] <joh> phxguy: but the initrd-tools works it seems.
[09:39] <AMCDeathKnight> Using Linux
[09:39] <runge> benplaut, hmm. any ideas on what I should try to get it working?
[09:39] <phxguy> so then why would i want to wget breezy package of initrd-tools
[09:39] <joh> Burgundavia: I know!
[09:39] <Burgundavia> and phxguy has hit it with having sid
[09:39] <phxguy> ah okay
[09:40] <benplaut> runge: no idea... try google linux search and see if other people have, and have solved the problem
[09:40] <joh> phxguy: could you post your sources.list in #flood?
[09:40] <AMCDeathKnight> Please help
[09:40] <Burgundavia> joh, his mahcine won't even boot right now
[09:41] <phxguy> joh i can't read my linux drive in Windows
[09:41] <runge> benplaut, bin there, done that. though thanks for trying to help :)
[09:41] <joh> phxguy: if you're on windows, you can use explore2fs to read ext2/3 filesystems...
[09:41] <joh> Burgundavia: I know
[09:41] <phxguy> do you have alink to d/l it
[09:41] <Burgundavia> phxguy, you can boot with a live cd, and give us your sources.list
[09:41] <AMCDeathKnight> How would I copy a dvd; I need to get rid of everything but the main movie, how would I do this to fit onto a 4 gig dvd
[09:41] <benplaut> runge: welcome to the community... you have a foothold ahead of many newbies becuase you have heard of google :)
[09:41] <Burgundavia> phxguy, if we can get a good sources.list for the bug report
[09:41] <phxguy> yeah but i dont have a live CD anymore i dont think
[09:41] <drummer87> glickinator, still doesn't work.. could the kernel upgrade have something to do with it? seems like a bit too much of a coincidence
[09:42] <Burgundavia> benplaut, that is not how we deal with new people are here
[09:42] <runge> benplaut, hehe
[09:42] <joh> phxguy: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[09:42] <iceman> got to be a good walkthrough for upgrading ...
[09:42] <Burgundavia> iceman, what issues have you run into?
[09:42] <iceman> just trying to update .. to get kde ..
[09:43] <herpes> AMCDeathKnight, dvdshrink
[09:43] <AMCDeathKnight> for linux?
[09:43] <df00z> DVDshrink works in wine
[09:43] <drummer87> hmm glickinator's left.. can anyone else help me? CDs & DVDs aren't mounting right for me, could it have something to do with updating the kernel from hoary-security?
[09:43] <Church_of_FoamY> how to install from cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb?
[09:44] <joh> iceman: you have already been given a howto, but I repeat http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[09:44] <AMCDeathKnight> ok; and for the actual copying, will gnomebreaker work?
[09:44] <gorilla_> Church_of_FoamY, you mean you have that file already downloaded?? if so dpkg -i  cedega-4.3-1.i386.deb
[09:44] <Church_of_FoamY> yes
[09:44] <eugene> Any body that can help me with streaming media on ubuntu?
[09:45] <joh> benplaut: are you the owner of bug #11135?
[09:45] <phxguy> joh, where should i paste my source.list
[09:45] <joh> phxguy: #flood please
[09:45] <benplaut> Burgundavia: sorry... [quote="the shrimp from finding nemo] I am ashamed[/quote]
[09:45] <benplaut> joh: yup...
[09:45] <gorilla_> Church_of_FoamY, in which case that command, after my question is correct :-)
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ben_d, cheers
[09:45] <Church_of_FoamY> i did that but it said there where errors while prossong
[09:45] <Church_of_FoamY> prosessing
[09:45] <joh> benplaut: great, could you please post your sources.list to the report?
[09:46] <drummer87> someone? anyone??
[09:46] <benplaut> joh: sure... just a sec
[09:46] <AMCDeathKnight> will dvd decrytter work in wine?
[09:46] <phxguy> ok i pasted it there
[09:46] <phxguy> i have some nerim.net repos in there
[09:47] <joh> phxguy: and backports!
[09:48] <phxguy> joh, Come to think of it it was the Backports  (upgradable section in synaptic where i got the kernal upgrades from
[09:48] <joh> phxguy: ouch, that explains it.
[09:48] <phxguy> Ok so if follow what comment #4 says i should be able to get back into my system?
[09:49] <drummer87> well, is it OK to force the old kernel version in synaptic? (2.6.10-34 as opposed to 2.6.10-34.1)
[09:49] <Burgundavia> phxguy, kernel upgrade from backports?
[09:49] <benplaut> joh: OK, it's up there
[09:49] <iceman> ayway to select all upgrades ?
[09:49] <Burgundavia> iceman, yep
[09:49] <iceman> ? how ?
[09:49] <joh> benplaut: ok, thanks
[09:50] <Church_of_FoamY> how do i fix dependancy problems
[09:50] <Church_of_FoamY> cedega won't install it's missing something
[09:50] <joh> Burgundavia: ok, seems we've found the problem. It's with the backports repositories
[09:50] <benplaut> drummer87: yup... but you have to reboot 1 or 2 times afterwords to get everything to work correctly again... not sure why
[09:50] <joh> Burgundavia: didn't know they provided kernels? :S
[09:50] <Burgundavia> joh, I don't think so
[09:50] <Burgundavia> joh, both of our targets have a debian sid repo in their srouces
[09:51] <Burgundavia> benplaut, found your error
[09:51] <benplaut> Burgundavia: ?
[09:51] <Burgundavia> benplaut, that debian repo you had fubared your system
[09:51] <joh> Burgundavia: not as I can see?
[09:51] <benplaut> aaah
[09:51] <Burgundavia> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://debian.bootsplash.de
[09:51] <Burgundavia> apt-cache policy libc6
[09:52] <benplaut> is IRC acting a bit weird?
[09:52] <drummer87> benplaut, so all could work fine after a couple of reboots with the new kernel version (ie CDs mounting properly again)?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> nah, just freenode
[09:52] <joh> netsplit :(
[09:52] <Burgundavia> this one is bad
[09:52] <benplaut> drummer87: probably
[09:53] <Burgundavia> odd, only #ubuntu is seeing it
[09:53] <joh> benplaut: so the sources.list you posted was the sources.list after you fixed the problem?
[09:53] <benplaut> third time's a charm
[09:53] <lilo> problems?
[09:53] <benplaut> joh: i never fixed it... i just reverted to the kernel on the hoary install CD
[09:53] <drummer87> benplaut, thanks.. i'll wait n see if it irons itself out before forcing the old version
[09:54] <toresbe> bob2: please kick KaRizMa_
[09:54] <toresbe> bob2: spamming
[09:54] <joh> benplaut: ok, can you confirm where you got the broken kernel from?
[09:54] <lilo> we seem to be picking up their home channel
[09:54] <toresbe> lilo: you might be able to do this
[09:54] <benplaut> joh: the security update posted by ubuntu-security
[09:54] <lilo> toresbe: what are the specifics?
[09:54] <bob2> toresbe: where?
[09:54] <joh> benplaut: are you absolutely sure?
[09:55] <toresbe> bob2: in a /msg, it's getting names from here
[09:55] <lilo> toresbe: I noticed some heavy activity on the channel and our automation seems to be picking up a bunch of clonebots
[09:55] <Burgundavia> joh, benplaut there is no broken kernel, as long as don;t have a newer libc
[09:55] <lilo> (removing them)
[09:55] <lilo> hmmm
[09:55] <joh> Burgundavia: ok
[09:55] <toresbe> oh, ok
[09:55] <mindmedic> totem spyware :) http://twoday.tuwien.ac.at/static/mindmedic/images/gnome%20is%20watching%20you_smaller.jpg
[09:55] <benplaut> yeah... that's it
[09:55] <lilo> toresbe: what was the nick?
[09:55] <joh> benplaut: any other upgrades before your system broke? libc?
[09:55] <phxguy> Recovery Mode doesn't Even boot
[09:55] <phxguy> :(
[09:56] <iceman> wow 14 gig ... ok .. that helped ..
[09:56] <cafuego> The worst thing about a new mobo is that the ide controller needs anew driver, so you need to build a kernel on a non-DMA system. Yarrgh.
[09:56] <benplaut> joh: not that i can remember...
[09:56] <bob2> eugene: plase don't /msg people
[09:56] <Burgundavia> joh, libc would have been pulled in the instant that he added that repo
[09:56] <toresbe> 09:53 <KaRizMa_> Sex Sex  (url)
[09:56] <lilo> thanks
[09:56] <joh> Burgundavia: yes, and the libc conflicts with initrd-tools then?
[09:56] <lilo> yup, that's one of the old timey spambots
[09:56] <iceman> thanks ... i'm new .. and admit it ...
[09:56] <joh> Burgundavia: i.e. initrd-tools won't run properly on the new libc?
[09:57] <iceman> i used linux in redhat 5.2 .. and mandrake 7 ... it has growen ...
[09:57] <toresbe> iceman: it has :)
[09:57] <mindmedic> iceman, so very true
[09:57] <iceman> cant stand the mandrake 10 bloat ...
[09:57] <phxguy> Do I type exactly what is shown on Comment 4 of the bug report
[09:58] <wolverian> hello all. is it common that totem-xine uses a _lot_ of CPU to play .ogm files?
[09:58] <joh> benplaut: which version of libc?
[09:58] <phxguy> wget breezy package of initrd-tools doesn't seem right to me
[09:58] <benplaut> joh: just a sec... i'll check
[09:58] <joh> phxguy: if it works, why not?
[09:58] <iceman> nic thing .. it has my cd of kubuntu in the install list ... ;)
[09:58] <AMCDeathKnight> I got dvd shrink and got Wine
[09:58] <AMCDeathKnight> So; how do i open it
[09:58] <AMCDeathKnight> and install and run it
[09:59] <mindmedic> AMCDeathKnight, just wine your_setup.exe
[09:59] <iceman> i just can't stand the gnome desktop ... it bugs me ..
[09:59] <benplaut> joh: package named libc?
[09:59] <AMCDeathKnight> ok
[09:59] <joh> benplaut: libc6
[09:59] <mindmedic> AMCDeathKnight, tell me if it works.. wanted to check dvdshrink out myself
[09:59] <Burgundavia> 2.3.5, specifically
[10:00] <phxguy> seems like it would be easier to just copy my home folder and reinstall
[10:00] <joh> benplaut: dpkg -l libc6\*
[10:00] <AMCDeathKnight> Invoking
[10:00] <joh> Burgundavia: and how did that get in there? the backports?
[10:00] <DaveQB-work> there's apparently a DVDshrink native app on Linux now
[10:00] <iceman> at least that found the kde packages ...
[10:00] <Burgundavia> joh, nope, from http://debian.bootsplash.de
[10:00] <phxguy> joh, the backports is actually on the ubuntuguide
[10:00] <AMCDeathKnight> cant do
[10:00] <AMCDeathKnight> failure
[10:00] <DaveQB-work> check out doom9.org linux forums sticky
[10:00] <benplaut> joh: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[10:01] <Burgundavia> joh, the backports are crazy, but not that crazy
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: oh
[10:01] <mindmedic> DaveQB-work, thanx
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: hehe, :P
[10:01] <joh> benplaut: ok, that's your problem then
[10:01] <AMCDeathKnight> That sucks
[10:01] <DaveQB-work> mindmedic  np
[10:01] <Burgundavia> benplaut, you have official ubuntu package???
[10:01] <AMCDeathKnight> I really need to burn a dvd
[10:01] <iceman> anyone know the link to the complete walkthrough of the nvidia driver install ?
[10:01] <Burgundavia> benplaut, you running breezy?
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: no, hoary
[10:01] <Burgundavia> iceman, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:01] <joh> Burgundavia: he posted his sources.list on the bug report
[10:01] <benplaut> Burgundavia: nope... but i had a debian source on there from something or other...
[10:02] <Burgundavia> benplaut, but a debian source shouldn't give an ubuntu package
[10:02] <DaveQB-work> exit
[10:02] <DaveQB-work> oops
[10:02] <mindmedic> hey AMCDeathKnight , check this out: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a0fc29d8c6076efe44a46dd7e8379a96&threadid=91078
[10:02] <benplaut> Burgundavia: clueless... but it mentioned another possible one in force version
[10:03] <joh> Burgundavia: that is strange indeed.
[10:03] <benplaut> that would have to remove half my system to install
[10:03] <Burgundavia> benplaut, what does apt-cache policy libc6
[10:03] <Burgundavia> give you?
[10:03] <mpq> I can't figure out how to get azureus to work
[10:03] <benplaut>  apt-cache policy libc6
[10:03] <benplaut> woops
[10:03] <benplaut> libc6:
[10:03] <benplaut>   Installed: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[10:03] <benplaut>   Candidate: 2.3.5-0ubuntu1
[10:03] <benplaut>   Version table:
[10:03] <benplaut>  *** 2.3.5-0ubuntu1 0
[10:03] <benplaut>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:04] <benplaut>      2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 0
[10:04] <benplaut>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[10:04] <iceman> looks like my version is a bit outdated ...
[10:04] <Burgundavia> what???
[10:04] <mpq> I can't figure out how to install java
[10:04] <Burgundavia> that baffles me now
[10:04] <iceman> my ubuntu cd's
[10:04] <joh> Burgundavia: yeah! jeez
[10:04] <mpq> I don't know where to install java
[10:05] <benplaut> i think i really messed up my system back when i was trying to make it "cool"
[10:05] <Burgundavia> mpq, ubuntuguide has some info
[10:05] <Burgundavia> benplaut, trust me, stick with official sources, plus the backports stuff
[10:05] <AMCDeathKnight> im lost
[10:05] <benplaut> Burgundavia: i think i'm in for a reinstall in a week or two...
[10:05] <benplaut> should solve a bunch of problems
[10:05] <Burgundavia> benplaut, hope you seperated your /home
[10:06] <AMCDeathKnight> Can someone lead me through this, step by step im a noob
[10:06] <AMCDeathKnight> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a0fc29d8c6076efe44a46dd7e8379a96&threadid=91078
[10:06] <Burgundavia> benplaut, and drop all the crackish other stuff
[10:06] <benplaut> Burgundavia: yup... and daily backups
[10:06] <joh> benplaut: did you ever try any breezy sources at all?
[10:06] <benplaut> joh: yes, to install one package
[10:06] <benplaut> initrd-tools... becuase i read that i would need it to fix my kernel problems
[10:06] <iceman> nice ... guess i'' burn new version of the cd ...
[10:07] <joh> benplaut: oh, but not any breezy sources *before* the system broke?
[10:07] <benplaut> nope
[10:07] <iceman> see what reboot does ?
[10:07] <benplaut> just in the quest to fix it
[10:07] <joh> benplaut: ok
[10:07] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, do you ever sleep
[10:07] <benplaut> for some reason, gnome is breaking on me :s ?!
[10:07] <AMCDeathKnight> Can someone lead me through this, step by step im a noob
[10:07] <AMCDeathKnight> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=a0fc29d8c6076efe44a46dd7e8379a96&threadid=91078
[10:07] <joh> Burgundavia: any idea where that libc6 package came from?
[10:08] <joh> benplaut: install your old libc6 package?
[10:08] <Seveas> joh, apt-cache policy libc6 can show you
[10:08] <benplaut> joh: when i force version, it demands to uninstall about 200 packages...
[10:08] <Burgundavia> joh, the version he has on his system is from May 12, which was a failed build on some arches, fi they pulled the source
[10:08] <joh> Seveas: benplaut's system said not
[10:08] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, that tutorial is wrong
[10:08] <joh> Burgundavia: oh
[10:08] <Burgundavia> Seveas, this is a good bug, never seen it before
[10:08] <Seveas> AMCDeathKnight, simply sudo apt-get install wine winecfg
[10:09] <joh> benplaut: oh, :(
[10:09] <Seveas> Burgundavia, i'll have to read back then, i just woke up :)
[10:09] <benplaut> i think i'm going to, as soon as school is out, spend a weekend and reinstall my system
[10:09] <Burgundavia> Seveas, somehow, a new version of libc6 got on these peoples system, which make the kernel not boot
[10:10] <Burgundavia> Seveas, the version benplaut has apparently came from our sources
[10:10] <Seveas> hmm, the discussion start too early, gone out of my xchat buffer already
[10:10] <Burgundavia> also, another person also had similar errors
[10:10] <joh> :P
[10:10] <Burgundavia> they both had debian sid repos
[10:10] <Seveas> Burgundavia, kernel not booting due to libc6 errors is neither related to kernel nor to libc6
[10:10] <iceman> shoot .. still no kde ...
[10:10] <Seveas> it's a problem with the initrd in the last kernel security upgrade
[10:11] <Burgundavia> so I assumed it was that, until I saw the results of the apt-policy
[10:11] <Seveas> are these people on amd64..?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Seveas, Right.  It seems so far with the people I've spoken to that somehow they got a
[10:11] <Burgundavia> newer copy of glibc on their Hoary systems.
[10:11] <Burgundavia> Seveas, the only people having this bug are those with new libc6
[10:11] <iceman> how to change to kde ... from gnome ... not showen in sessions list ?
[10:11] <BROKEN_LADDER> about how much electricity am i wasting leaving on my p4 system all day instead of turning it off when i go to work, and at night?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> that is what makes it so bafflying
[10:12] <Seveas> Burgundavia, which version of libc6 is that?
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone have a rough guess?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> Seveas, 2.3.5
[10:12] <Seveas> hmm
[10:12] <joh> Burgundavia: as far as I can see, the new initrd and libc6 doesn't like eachother
[10:12] <Seveas> on hoary?!?
[10:12] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:12] <mpq> how do I open ports?
[10:12] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, about 500$ per year
[10:12] <BROKEN_LADDER> i mean..am i wasting 25 a day or a lot more?
[10:12] <benplaut> BROKEN_LADDER: put it in suspend-to-ram... uses much less power
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> benplaut then when i resume, my audio stuff, like jackd, is all screwed up.
[10:13] <iceman> how to reconfig to boot to kde ?
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is a recording computer.
[10:13] <Seveas> Burgundavia, have you figured out how they got it (breezy,backports,others?)
[10:13] <benplaut> ahhh
[10:13] <mpq> how do I open ports?
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> icebalm sudo apt-get install kde
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Seveas, no common link yet
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> iceman i mean
[10:13] <Seveas> mpq, you don't need to
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Seveas, except for really screwy sources
[10:13] <hyphenated> BROKEN_LADDER: more like kubuntu-desktop ;-)
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated uh..no
[10:13] <mpq> then how do I set up azureus?
[10:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated i just installed kde and it worked fine.
[10:13] <Burgundavia> Seveas, I suspect that there are several vectors, and most of the them are debian sid mirrors that people added
[10:14] <mpq> the port it uses doesn't work
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated but kde sucks.
[10:14] <Seveas> mpq, install java and run azureus
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> iceman did you hear that?  kde sucks
[10:14] <mpq> I did
[10:14] <mpq> the bittorrent port doesn't work
[10:14] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, please be quiet and stop being rude and insulting
[10:14] <iceman> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia i don't know what to say.
[10:14] <Burgundavia> iceman, you running synaptic
[10:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia i'm actually just being funny.  you should look into it.
[10:15] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, I don't really care what you think about kde, keep it to yourself
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia it sucks.
[10:15] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, stop creating noise, this is a help channel.
[10:15] <hyphenated> iceman: you _can_ just install kde, but you're better off installing the kubuntu-desktop metapackage, because it has all the neat stuff in it
[10:15] <iceman> from a term ?
[10:15] <joh> iceman: are you still having problems with kde?
[10:15] <benplaut> joh, Burgundavia: i'm going to bed (coming around 10:00)... if you need anything else form me, just ask in the bugzilla report
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> and i told iceman how to install kde
[10:15] <joh> benplaut: ok, nite
[10:15] <Burgundavia> benplaut, np
[10:15] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, you told him the wrong way
[10:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas no it's not.  i used it.  it worked.
[10:15] <[Chameleon] > BROKEN_LADDER: I personally use GNOME, but I'd prefer that you not spew a bunch of garbage in the channel.
[10:15] <Seveas> the kde metapackage is in universe, kubuntu-desktop in man
[10:15] <Seveas> main
[10:15] <Burgundavia> Seveas, iceman had warty, and thus no kubuntu
[10:16] <Burgundavia> Seveas, so I was getting him onto hoary first
[10:16] <Seveas> Burgundavia, than kde will be buggy anyhow
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> why would anyone use kubuntu?
[10:16] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, stop creating noise, this is a help channel.
[10:16] <joh> Burgundavia: I gave iceman the wiki wartytohoary update, don't know if he read it.
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas are you a bot?
[10:16] <omV0> hi
[10:16] <Seveas> hi omV0
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas i helped him by telling him how to install kde.  i installed kde in this way and it worked and was easy.
[10:16] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, you told him the wrong way
[10:16] <Burgundavia> iceman, only one program can install stuff at anyone time. Thus apt-get and synaptic both be running
[10:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> wrong how?
[10:16] <Seveas> the kde metapackage is in universe, kubuntu-desktop in main
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> it worked perfectly.
[10:17] <omV0> last night my computer restarted while i was away (i had some processes running so it was bad).. this is the 2nd time this happened in a month.. how can i check what causes it to restart?
[10:17] <Seveas> some people prefer only stuff in main
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> what is the point of kubuntu?
[10:17] <Seveas> omV0, check the logfiles in /var/log
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> as opposed to just installing kde for those who wish to choose it at the gdm?
[10:17] <hyphenated> BROKEN_LADDER: the entire purpose of it is to give you something to be annoyed about. really, it's all about you
[10:17] <Burgundavia> BROKEN_LADDER, kubuntu is kde done in an Ubuntu style
[10:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> hyphenated that doesn't answer my question.
[10:18] <Seveas> omV0, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log will probably give you most insight
[10:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> Burgundavia but ubuntu style is so ugly.  why would anyone want to do that?
[10:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay g'night folks.
[10:18] <omV0> thanks seveas!
[10:18] <joh> finally
[10:18] <Burgundavia> iceman, how is that upgrade coming?
[10:18] <Seveas> Burgundavia, can I pm you for a sec?
[10:18] <Burgundavia> Seveas, sure
[10:21] <mindmedic> lol, he thought with "ubuntu style", you were referring to the colors
[10:22] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu is more than just colours
[10:22] <omV0> Seveas: for some reason the syslog's first entry is after the first time the computer started after the restart.. what does that mean?
[10:22] <Seveas> omV0, that it's been cycled on restart
[10:22] <Seveas> try syslog.0
[10:22] <Seveas> that's the older log
[10:23] <omV0> "May 26 04:18:05 localhost exiting on signal 15"
[10:23] <Seveas> thats SIGTERM
[10:24] <Seveas> anything before that?
[10:24] <Seveas> or in kern.log?
[10:24] <mpq> how do I open ports with a router?
[10:25] <omV0> nothing special in kern.log but about 10 minutes before the signal 15 error i get May 26 04:12:30 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev hdd, sector 64
[10:25] <omV0> and May 26 04:12:30 localhost kernel: isofs_fill_super: bread failed, dev=hdd, iso_blknum=16, block=16
[10:25] <iceman> synaptic sucks trying to install all patchs for kde
[10:25] <Seveas> sounds like a bad thing happening on hdd
[10:25] <Seveas> and 4:20 is when all cron.daily cronjobs are run
[10:26] <Seveas> omV0, anything in /var/log/debug.0 or /var/log/daemon.log.0?
[10:26] <omV0> Seveas- i hope it's not a ResierFS problem.. i used this hdd without problems under NTFS for over a year.. do you think it's a physical problem on the hdd or a filesystem problem?
[10:27] <iceman> any way from a terminal to upgrade ... synaptic is sucking ..
[10:27] <Seveas> omV0, i wouldn't know
[10:27] <Seveas> iceman, upgrade from warty to hoary?
[10:27] <Seveas> iceman: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[10:27] <iceman> cammand for it
[10:27] <iceman> does newer cd have it ?
[10:28] <omV0> Seveas: May 26 04:12:10 localhost kernel: PCI: cache line size of 128 is not supported by device 0000:00:03.3
[10:28] <omV0> from debug
[10:28] <iceman> i'll download the newer cd .. if thats faster ?
[10:29] <Seveas> iceman, will be equally fast and installing will take longer
[10:29] <iceman> not if is make is a bit easier to start off ..
[10:30] <mpq> damn firewall
[10:30] <mpq> fucking up bittorrent
[10:30] <iceman> anyone have mirrors for 5.10 download
[10:30] <Seveas> iceman, same for 5.04
[10:30] <mpq> and I don't have a clue how to open the ports
[10:30] <Seveas> but read the topic
[10:30] <mpq> I don't think I can
[10:30] <Seveas> breezy is quite unstable atm
[10:30] <omV0> Seveas: all daemon says is "starting crash recovery" but it doesn't give me anything about the crash
[10:30] <Seveas> mpq, ah you installed firestarter?
[10:31] <mpq> I don't even know what that is
[10:31] <mpq> it's the router
[10:31] <omV0> Seveas: is there a tool to check for bad sectors on the hdd?
[10:31] <Seveas> omv0 hmm, maybe you should stay awake one night then to see what happens ;)
[10:31] <omV0> hehe
[10:31] <mpq> I need to open ports but I don't know how and I don't even think I can
[10:31] <Seveas> omV0, you can use fsck
[10:31] <Seveas> mpq, ah a router
[10:31] <Seveas> reas your routers manual
[10:32] <mpq> I can't change any router settings
[10:32] <mpq> because someone lost the password
[10:32] <snowseal_> ffs, nautilus wont let me copy paste a file
[10:32] <Seveas> mpq, most routers have a hard reset switch
[10:32] <mpq> seveas: that's not an option
[10:33] <Seveas> mpq and you cannot open ports without fiddling with the router
[10:33] <mpq> other people use it and it would screw up their computer
[10:33] <iceman> ok .. ill finish downloading and install 5.04 ..
[10:33] <iceman> 15 minute download ... may take 20 to install
[10:34] <snowseal_> idiotic, i can only paste a file on the map-icon
[10:34] <iceman> at least it might eliminate part of the hassel
[10:35] <iceman> heck might as well get 5.04 and 5.10
[10:37] <Fator_Dee> hello
[10:37] <snowseal_> hai
[10:39] <envel> is is safe to upgrade xorg-6.8.2 to xorg provided by hoary update?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> envel: do you mean when upgrading from warty to hoary?
[10:41] <Fator_Dee> or what do you mean
[10:46] <m00gle> hello everyone :)
[10:49] <eskaypey> ey
[10:49] <eskaypey> trying to not start x on boot
[10:49] <envel> Fator_Dee: no, i mean security update from hoary to hoary;-)
[10:49] <eskaypey> tried update-rc.d -f remove gdm
[10:49] <Seveas> eskaypey, chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> envel: I think security upgrades are quite... safe
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> at least they *shoud* be
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> *should
[10:50] <envel> A few days ago i upgraded xorg and ... that's all... it didn't work...
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> try to reconfigure it
[10:50] <Fator_Dee> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-zorg
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> *xorg
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> a day of typos :-\
[10:51] <envel> no way, i've reinstalled system alreade
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> oh
[10:51] <envel> already
[10:51] <envel> no more breezy packages:-)
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> usually x-problems are caused just by a misconfigured conf-file
[10:51] <Fator_Dee> so you shouldn't have to reinstall, just edit the config
[10:52] <m00gle> i'm new to ubuntu, just installed  it. so i'm a n00b please be gental :)
[10:52] <envel> "Fixed font not found"
[10:53] <Seveas> envel, then fix your xorg.conf :)
[10:53] <Seveas> (known issue in breezy)
[10:53] <eskaypey> Seveas: i mean when ubuntu starts, i dont want it go streight to gnome but terminal
[10:53] <zer> can i tell apt-get to install a package even if dependencies seems to be broken?
[10:54] <Seveas> zer, yes
[10:54] <s1amson> anybody have a HP WLAN 54G w450 Network adapter
[10:54] <s1amson> that works :)
[10:54] <Seveas> s1amson, isn't that just atheros?
[10:54] <envel> when i upgraded kernel to 2.6.10-34.1... i had to reinstall system because i've not found a way to downgrade kernel correctly:-)
[10:55] <s1amson> no clue, im asking for a buddy. he just gotta lappy from a buddy and is thinking about installing *nix but before wasting time on an install, it'll be helpful to know if the card works
[10:55] <Seveas> envel, there was no easy way(amd64 i guess?)
[10:55] <Seveas> s1amson, i have an hp laptop, it has an atheros chip
[10:55] <envel> upgrading initrd-tools to breezy helped
[10:55] <s1amson> i think its a broadcom chip
[10:55] <zer> Seveas: I can't find an option in the man-page :-/
[10:56] <Seveas> s1amson, which type of laptop is it?
[10:56] <Seveas> zet apt-get --force ?
[10:56] <s1amson> well, google returns it as broadcom... but the returns im getting are from like 2k3
[10:56] <Seveas> zer*
[10:58] <s1amson> hp pavillion ze5700
[10:58] <envel> i don't understand why they share kernel update, when it doesn't work without package from next unstable version??
[10:58] <zer> Seveas: E: Kommandozeilenoption --force wird nicht verstanden (isn't understanded)
[10:58] <zer> Seveas: I know that dpkg has options for this but apt-get?!
[10:58] <Seveas> zer, hmm, i must be mixing up then...
[10:58] <bob2> envel: what are you talking about?
[10:58] <Seveas> envel, this was a very rare error that they fixed yesterday
[10:59] <Seveas> bob2, the kernel security upgrade caused intrd madness on some systems
[10:59] <Seveas> initrd*
[10:59] <bob2> right
[11:00] <bob2> but it doesn't require "package from next unstable version"
[11:00] <Seveas> s1amson, if it is a broadcom chip, you will need ndiswrapper to get it to work
[11:00] <Seveas> bob2, that's one solution
[11:00] <s1amson> thought so
[11:00] <Seveas> the other is reinstalling
[11:00] <Seveas> because it causes other kernels to no longer work too
[11:00] <bob2> it's not fixable without reinstalling?
[11:00] <bob2> surely booting the livecd orwhatever anf regenerating the initrd is enough
[11:00] <Seveas> bob2, well, boot from livecd + chroot + force-downgrade of krenel...
[11:01] <bob2> right
[11:01] <Seveas> regenerating intrd did not work
[11:01] <bob2> not that it doesn't suck, of course
[11:01] <s1amson> okies. thx Seveas
[11:02] <rixth> Whenever I try to play a wmv file it comes out really bad (I got the mplayer codecs). http://spectrumenterprises.org/wmv.jpg Any ideas?
[11:03] <rixth> Whenever I try to play a wmv file it comes out really bad (I got the mplayer codecs). http://spectrumenterprises.org/wmv.jpg Any ideas?
[11:04] <rixth> (I'm using totem-xine)
[11:04] <Seveas> rixth, please don't repeat. If someone knows an answer (s)he'll tell you
[11:05] <rixth> Seveas, I ment to paste it in #mplayer, sorry!
[11:05] <rixth> meant* Eugh. Excuse me.
[11:06] <bob2> the file looks broken
[11:07] <rixth> bob2, DRM
[11:07] <bob2> ouch
[11:08] <iface> Is there anyone whocan tell me how to install my nivida geforce 4 graka correctly?
[11:09] <bob2> "graka"?
[11:09] <iface> grafic card :)
[11:10] <m00gle> can anyone tell me how to fix my screen res. im stuck in 640x480 with no other choices it's very annoying! i can't see to fix anything.... :(
[11:10] <iface> or graphic card ... ;)
[11:10] <bob2> m00gle: intel or nvidia card?
[11:10] <bob2> iface: you don't need to do anything
[11:10] <eskaypey> how do i completely remove gnome? i want to install xfce and make it my default
[11:11] <SJKirk> hello, can anyone help me? ubuntu hangs with a brown screen after the logon screen
[11:11] <m00gle> bob2: a radeon8500 actually
[11:11] <bob2> m00gle: odd
[11:12] <bob2> SJKirk: does it affect other users?
[11:12] <eskaypey> SJKirk: how fast your processor?
[11:12] <zoner_> SJKirk, can you get a terminal login?
[11:12] <zoner_> :)
[11:12] <iface> so, i use cedega to play warcraft 3 under ubuntu. everything looks fine, but the game is absolutly slow. i think everything is calculated by the cpu and not by the graphic card.
[11:12] <SJKirk> all: not sure what processor probably 400mhz? i only have one user, yes i can get terminal logon
[11:13] <SJKirk> it's an intel i810 gfx card
[11:13] <zoner_> SJKirk, have you messed with the login settings?
[11:13] <zoner_> SJKirk, like .. tried to move your home dir?
[11:14] <SJKirk> nope, this is from a fresh install
[11:14] <m00gle> i know the ati support for linux blows goats that said how do i fix this
[11:14] <eskaypey> i run ubuntu on 233mhz and its clearly not enough to comfortably run gnome so it hanged couple of times
[11:14] <zoner_> SJKirk, that's odd :)
[11:14] <SJKirk> gnome won't even start. I have left it a whole day just to make sure!
[11:15] <cafuego> m00gle: go to the shop for an nvidia card?
[11:15] <zoner_> SJKirk, hehe. It *is* supposed to boot instantly. There is no hidden "spare time" feature :P
[11:15] <zoner_> SJKirk, I'll just browse the forums for you
[11:15] <zoner_> brb
[11:16] <SJKirk> i found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23252.html
[11:16] <SJKirk> but that seems to relate to nvidia cards
[11:16] <m00gle> cafuego: planning to asap but i have no cash at the moment
[11:17] <cafuego> m00gle: The 8500 should run OK with the free drivers afaik.
[11:17] <zoner_> SJKirk, it says something about acpi too?
[11:17] <zoner_> SJKirk, "I had to disable acpi? during the install and everything worked perfect."
[11:17] <SJKirk> yes, i haven't tried that because i was hoping to not have to go through the reinstall...
[11:17] <SJKirk> what effect will disabling acpi have on my system?
[11:18] <zoner_> no clue ;)
[11:18] <m00gle> cafuego: so it's a driver problem then you think ?
[11:18] <SJKirk> heh, i might just bite the bullet and try it then
[11:18] <zoner_> hehe
[11:18] <SJKirk> only prblem is ubuntu takes AGES to install compared to fedora
[11:19] <zoner_> SJKirk, maybe you also could try change the X-server ?
[11:19] <zoner_> SJKirk, maybe svga will run
[11:19] <cafuego> m00gle: Check that the agp driver is loaded as wella s the radeon driver. then 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and choose 'radeon' or 'ati' when asked.
[11:20] <dmoyne> hello I have a question regarding the way to set private system variables for users ; any one to help ? ; thanks
[11:20] <m00gle> cafuego: ok i'll give it a try
[11:21] <SJKirk> Zoner: how do I do that
[11:21] <SJKirk> ?
[11:22] <zoner_> uhmm. hehe. I am a debian newbie ;)
[11:23] <zoner_> SJKirk, dpkg-reconfigure sounds right
[11:23] <dmoyne> I set the following variable : export GENJdata_HOME=$HOME/Genj through my .bash_profile file in $HOME domain ; it worked fine but now it no more works ; I think there is a bug somewhere (Kuser crashing !)  ; where is the problem ?
[11:23] <zoner_> SJKirk, you would need to find a common base for the x-server and choose another X-server package
[11:23] <zoner_> SJKirk, just a sec . I will try to find it for you
[11:23] <sebastyan> can enyone help em with SMEG ?????
[11:24] <sebastyan> please !
[11:24] <sebastyan> i see some invisibble menus and i cannot make them visible
[11:24] <sebastyan> how can i do this ?
[11:24] <pro> fuct i tell you..... fuct.......
[11:25] <zoner_> SJKirk, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 perhaps?
[11:25] <SJKirk> hmmm, s'okay i will try reintall without acpi first, thanks!
[11:25] <Fator_Dee> xserver-xorg if he is on hoary
[11:26] <zoner_> ah yes
[11:26] <zoner_> thanks Fator_Dee :)
[11:26] <Fator_Dee> np
[11:26] <zoner_> SJKirk, I hope it works out for you
[11:26] <SJKirk> cheers guys, you've been a big help!
[11:26] <zoner_> SJKirk, thanks .. have fun
[11:27] <sebastyan> anyone ... help ?
[11:28] <dmoyne> where is the best place to install private variables for users ?
[11:28] <Seveas> sebastyan, poke Amaranth when he's awake
[11:28] <sebdc> sebastyan look at the topic! comin with your question! :p
[11:28] <Jimmothy> is there a command to reboot? like from the menu except my menu isn't working
[11:28] <Seveas> sebdc, he asked already :)
[11:28] <sebastyan> thuis is my question :(
[11:29] <Seveas> Jimmothy, sudo reboot (from a terminal)
[11:29] <sebastyan> need some help with Gnome menu
[11:29] <Jimmothy> ta
[11:29] <Seveas> sebastyan, poke Amaranth when he's awake, Amaranth created smeg
[11:29] <sebastyan> okay
[11:29] <sebdc> Sevaes can I at all watch dvd without an Nvidia-card in my pc?
[11:30] <Seveas> sebdc, yes
[11:31] <sebdc> Sevaes even changing the Bios 64 MB back to 32 MB and running TOP TO BOTTOM doesn't make any diff.
[11:33] <Seveas> sebdc, what is the problem then..?
[11:33] <sebdc> Sevaes Ihad trouble installing the codecs even when I did everyting according to the wiki-pages, is this normal
[11:33] <we2by> ny one here use mp3 format files?
[11:34] <zer> we2by: mp3 files? sure