[00:45] <DTsan> what is a .bundle file?
[00:45] <DTsan> particulay the VMware Player .bundle linux install
[00:55] <Blizzerand> i installed kubuntu...and with 4 desktops i find that if i open a window in a desktop its visible in all other desktops...how can i solve this?
[00:56] <bbeck> Blizzerand: Right click on the task manager, you should see the option to fix it there.
[00:56] <bbeck> Blizzerand: (In the filters section)
[00:57] <Blizzerand> bbeck: Can you make it clear
[00:57] <bbeck> Blizzerand: doh, I think I misunderstood.  I thought that you saw all the open windows in your task manager.
[00:58] <Blizzerand> bbeck : No the 4 desktops
[00:58] <bbeck> Blizzerand: yeah sorry.  I haven't come across that before.  Is it a specific application, or all applications
[01:01] <Noughmad> Blizzerand: try clicking the little round button on the left side of the titile bar, next  to the icon
[01:01] <Blizzerand> k ...
[01:02] <Blizzerand> bbeck : for all applications
[01:02] <Blizzerand> Noughmad : And ..
[01:03] <avihayb> any one been having problems with TP-Link routers?
[01:37] <trakinas> is there any "eject" command on dolphin? I can eject through konsole, but it was just cool to have that on konqueror
[02:03] <gNOMe[604]> yo
[02:16] <biovirus> hi
[02:16] <biovirus> how can i see a .avi file?? kaffeine says "Codec package is already installed" and it doesnt work
[02:19] <OxDeadC0de> I prefer mplayer or totem even in kde (though totem requires gtk)
[02:28] <biovirus> OxDeadC0de: mplayer said: Cannot find codec for audio format 0x56444152
[02:29] <OxDeadC0de> biovirus: try installing the restricted-extras package
[02:29] <biovirus> OxDeadC0de i installed when i install kubuntu
[02:33] <OxDeadC0de> biovirus: you need w32codec which isn't included in restricted extras, check out mplayers site to find it and instructions on installation
[02:53] <Rods_Tiger> I've downloaded the karmic kubuntu UNR file, but it won't work. It's too big to be a CD, and the normal means of making the file become a liveUSBstick isn't working (or at least, it's unbootable).
[02:58] <navetz> can someone help me fix alsa
[03:08] <James147> Rods_Tiger: For karmic qustions try #ubuntu+1
[03:30] <LuisJa> hello, i wanted to know if there was a native program for linux than changes mi IP
[03:31] <LuisJa> so i can download a lot of things from rapidshare without the need of waiting
[03:31] <LuisJa> maybe some firefox app or something?
[03:32] <James147> LuisJa: Anything you download is unlikly to work, rapidshare works off your ip that is gien to you by your isp...
[03:33] <LuisJa> well and something than makes me able to vote multiple times in a site?
[03:33] <LuisJa> i hear of something called hide ip, but it needs to be paid ¬¬
[03:33] <James147> LuisJa: Most isps work off the mac address of your router. The only way I know  of is to remain disconnected for longer then your lease time (can be a long time) or to fake a mac address (depends on your router)
[03:34] <LuisJa> lol i thinked this was gonna be easy, like downloading a firefox app and bingo
[03:34] <LuisJa> can u explain me?
[03:34] <James147> LuisJa: Dont trust anything that asks you to pay to hide your IP, most wont work.... the best way to hide your ip that i know of is to use tor
[03:34] <LuisJa> tor?
[03:35] <James147> tor is a way of browsing the internet anomisly by routing your trafic through many different addresses - http://www.torproject.org/ to find out more
[03:36] <James147> LuisJa: Howevver, rapidshare might not work well with tor as many ppl might be trying to use it at once
[03:42] <LuisJa> tork is the kde version true?
[03:46] <LuisJa> i wanna know something
[03:46] <LuisJa> tork is telling me than i have to find the installed software so we can proceed
[03:46] <James147>  LuisJa: Didn't think there was a "kde" version... either way I dont think it will help you much, might even make it worst as many ppl will share teh IP address you get
[03:46] <LuisJa> but i dont know where is the installed program file
[03:47] <LuisJa> it says:
[03:47] <LuisJa> the path to my tor client is:
[03:51] <LuisJa> i dont know what file i have to choose
[03:51] <LuisJa> i am already in the tork path
[03:51] <LuisJa> come on...
[03:53] <LuisJa> OH MY GOD this is frustrating
[03:53] <LuisJa> i dont know what file i have to choose in the /tork path
[04:10] <LuisJa> hello how i can compile something?
[04:10] <LuisJa> i wanna compile  /home/luis/.tork/tor-<IP_ADDRESS>-alpha in terminal
[04:15] <LuisJa> hello???
[04:23] <santiago> hola señores como les va?
[04:24] <santiago> hola q tal?
[04:25] <santiago> alguien q pueda ayudarem por favor tengo problemas de audio
[04:57] <shadowwolfe> hello?
[05:13] <mehrdad> hi
[06:11] <tony371> Anthony,,,Hello from Idaho!!!
[06:13] <tony371> why isn't anybody chatting?
[06:13] <mm_202> tony371: No one is having any issues or problems.  That's a good thing.
[06:13] <tony371> no it isn't :)
[06:13] <mm_202> Well, I do have a OTQ, does anyone know how to find a peer (for KTorrent) from the hash?
[06:13] <mm_202> tony371: :)
[06:23] <ronald> fnvekjfnv
[06:26] <ronald> thjwhbfikjnkiwjhndv
[06:28] <ronald> hello all
[06:28] <ronald> i find that kubuntu sucks for the lammer
[06:43] <vttr> hi does unetbootin usb creator support karmic koala alpha 5? all i get after giving it the iso i downloaded is the bootmanager ... and no koala contents on usb drive.. any ideas?
[07:30] <navetz> can someone please help me reinstall my sound to the way it was when i upgraded to 9.04?
[07:49] <_genuser_> Hello People.
[07:50] <_genuser_> has anybody tried upgrading to 8?
[07:50] <_genuser_> from within 7?
[07:50] <_genuser_> any issues?
[08:06] <navetz> is there a way to reinstall your kernel? like reinstall it as if your were upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04?
[08:54] <fernandomukeka> alguem do brasil no chat
[08:54] <egbert> qui pourait m'aider en francais
[09:07] <fernandomukeka>  muito doido meo
[09:23] <llutz> gimp/inkscape on jaunty crashing instantly when using the file-select-dialog. terminal only shows "segmentation fault", no further info. any idea
[09:39] <JoshOvki> hey all. I am trying to sort out my samba shares. I am trying to make it so each user gets a password protected folder of there own shared, but i also what anouther folder that is a general share folder that is open to anyone with no password protection. anyone got any advice?
[09:50] <baron86> Hello I want to do a visual costumization.. Does anyone know how to set backgound image in each folder? I am using kubuntu
[09:54] <baron86> Is this channel working?
[10:01] <Mamarok> so much for patience on a Sunday morning...
[10:01] <JoshOvki> yep
[10:02] <JoshOvki> Mamarok, i don't suppose you know how to work samba shares do you?
[10:04] <llutz> gimp/inkscape on jaunty crashing instantly when using the file-select-dialog. terminal only shows "segmentation fault", no further info. any idea?
[10:05] <Mamarok> JoshOvki: no, sorry
[10:06] <Mamarok> llutz: is this a new behaviour?
[10:06] <JoshOvki> shame :)
[10:06] <llutz> Mamarok: not sure, havent used those apps for a linger while
[10:06] <llutz> longer
[10:06] <Mamarok> JoshOvki: I don't even have a Windows computer, so how would I be able to know?
[10:07] <Mamarok> llutz: what is this file select dialog so I can test?
[10:07] <llutz> "open file"
[10:08] <llutz> "save as"
[10:08] <Mamarok> ok, will try
[10:08] <JoshOvki> Mamarok, i don't either, but unfortinutaly my flat mates do... damb them!
[10:09] <Mamarok> llutz: works fine here, what KDE version do you have?
[10:09] <llutz> Mamarok: it works with thunderbird/firefox, so seems not to be a general gtk-issue. KDE: 4.3.1 (KDE 4.3.1)
[10:09] <Mamarok> llutz: well, as I said, it works here, might be a version problem of either Gimp or Inkscape
[10:10] <Mamarok> llutz: try starting it in a konsole to see the output you get
[10:10] <llutz> Mamarok: purged/installed both, removed dot-dirs, still the same sh..    as i said: "segmentation fault" is all i get on console
[10:11] <Mamarok> llutz: try removing the config files of those
[10:11] <llutz> removed dot-dirs, still the same sh..
[10:12] <Mamarok> llutz: no, the config files are in ~/.kde/share/config/
[10:12] <Mamarok> remove those
[10:13] <llutz> gtk-configs in ~/.kde?
[10:14] <Mamarok> right, silly me...
[10:15] <llutz> Mamarok: i doubt version-mismatches, both apps are from jaunty main-repo
[10:15] <Mamarok> llutz: file a bug? still, it is strange, I can't reporudce it here, try checking if there is still some residual task running with ps -Hef
[10:16] <Mamarok> reproduce* even
[10:16] <dwidmann_> llutz: do you have multiple versions of them (gimp, inkscape) available? (check with "apt-cache policy gimp inkscape". If you've got more than one option you could try force installing another (ie:  sudo apt-get install gimp/jaunty)
[10:17] <llutz> dwidmann_: no i haven't, just the ones from main
[10:17] <dwidmann_> llutz: what about gtk?
[10:18] <llutz> dwidmann_: only main too
[10:19] <dwidmann_> llutz: weird bug you've found there
[10:19] <dwidmann_> llutz: done it ever since install or just recently?
[10:19] <llutz> dwidmann_: it did after installation and a while, but i havent used it for longer time now, so i cannot say when it stopped working :(
[10:39] <LMJ> hello the chan
[10:41] <jonasd> Hi. I am having a program that runs really slow (kicad). It runs normally fast on another PC with the same kubuntu. Any idea how to debug this?
[10:42] <LMJ> trying to use remote desktop sharing from my PC (ubuntu via vncviewer) to my system PC (Kubuntu 9.04 via kde4) All I've got is a big mess of Yellow/Red/Blue color and blurred. I disabled all desktop effect on my syster desktop, same problem, any ideas ?
[11:02] <johannes_> hi. i have a very basic beginner kde question. i created a shell script to start eclipse 3.5. i now want to add a quick launch button to the main toolbar. how?
[11:21] <Mamarok> johannes_: what KDE version?
[11:23] <Mamarok> normally, if you use the kde menu, go to the item for Eclipse and right click, then choose "add to the panel"
[11:23] <Mamarok> that is for KDE 4.x of course
[11:24] <danilo> Salve
[11:33] <roger_> hello i have problems with installing brother dcp-110c drivers...
[11:33] <roger_> i want to execute the dpkg method, but i have a foult when i do it...
[11:42] <johannes_> Mamarok: yes, kde 4 ... you mean got to the item in the kde menu?
[11:43] <Mamarok> yes, then right click on it, then you should have the option to add it to the panel
[11:43] <johannes_> Mamarok: ok, so i have to edit the menu first. thx
[11:44] <Mamarok> no, why?
[11:44] <Mamarok> if you installed the application it should show up in the development section
[11:45] <johannes_> Mamarok: it's eclipse. a jar package i downloaded to ~/bin/packages ... i made a shell-skript to launch it and want to start the shell script
[11:45] <Mamarok> johannes_: else, there is kappfinder that adds the application automatically to the menu
[11:46] <johannes_> Mamarok: thx, i got it
[11:46] <Mamarok> oh, right, then you indeed need to edit the menu first, why didn't you use the eclpis deb packages?
[11:46] <Mamarok> eclipse* sorry
[12:05] <luca> does anyone know where i can find help to put videos on an ipod classic?
[12:06] <dekinstoke> hi all
[12:06] <dekinstoke> <<<new to IRC
[12:09] <dekinstoke> so .... is anyone chatting?
[12:09] <dekinstoke> and how do i connect to different channels?
[12:10] <James147> dekinstoke: This is a support channel for kubuntu, if you have anyquestions just ask them and if someone knows they will replay, /join#channellname  to join a channel #kubuntu-offtopic for general chat
[12:10] <James147>  /join #channellname <- sorry
[12:11] <dekinstoke> i have got a list of channels up now
[12:11] <dekinstoke> wo
[12:11] <dekinstoke> w
[12:11] <dekinstoke> lots of um
[12:11] <dekinstoke> lol
[12:11] <dekinstoke> hi james
[12:12] <dekinstoke> and ty
[12:16] <dekinstoke> i just ended up in the Finnish Ubuntu channel lol
[12:17] <Tm_T> dekinstoke: we noticed (:
[12:18] <Tm_T> I wonder how you picked that one
[12:19] <paulo> bom dia pessoal
[12:19] <Tm_T> !pt | paulo
[12:20] <paulo> hello
[12:20] <Tm_T> paulo: hi and welcome
[12:22] <paulo> I am testing linux kuruminNG
[12:33] <PvtRyan> Hi, I added kubuntu-desktop to my xubuntu installation, but using the kdm when i log in kde just hangs without populating the desktop
[12:34] <Tm_T> PvtRyan: did you install kubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[12:34] <PvtRyan> yes
[12:34] <PvtRyan> I have to use ctrl+alt+backspace to kill the session. Xfce sessions work fine. I have tried moving .kde to force it to recreate my profile
[12:34] <Tm_T> PvtRyan: and all installed just fine?
[12:34] <PvtRyan> yes
[12:34] <Tm_T> PvtRyan: could you doublecheck?
[12:35] <PvtRyan> kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[12:37] <James147> PvtRyan: see if ~/.ICEauthority is owned by you and is readable/writeable by you or try renaming ~/.kde
[12:44] <suman> hi all, how do i disable services that are not needed??
[12:44] <Tm_T> suman: for example?
[12:44] <suman> Tm_T: bluetooth.. .which starts on startup
[12:45] <suman> i want to make my linux boot-time faster
[12:45] <suman> i thought there was a graphical userinterface
[12:45] <Tm_T> suman: hmm, there might be
[12:45] <suman> but i couldnt find one in 8.10 installation
[12:45] <Tm_T> !bootchart
[12:45] <Tm_T> suman: see that
[12:46] <suman> alrite cool.. let me try that..
[12:46] <Tm_T> suman: it'll help you to see what is taking time and what is not
[12:47] <suman> and i am using a dell inspiron.... and although i have nvdia card installed, i dont think it is getting used, becuase the graphics doesnot render properly at most times..
[12:47] <suman> how do i check if to see if it is working fine?
[12:49] <James147> suman: Check to see if the nvidia drivers are enabled in "Hardware Drivers"
[12:50] <suman> James147: It just lists one driver which is for the wireless
[12:54] <PvtRyan> yes it is owned and writable by me. I've already tried renaming .kde to no avail.
[12:57] <PvtRyan> it failed the 1st time hanging on the HDD picture of it's progress bar. I clicked it went to desktop and hung before anything was loaded. I then killed the session and relogged it worked I added the network wireless widget and it went into a fatal crashing loop. At that point I renamed .kde and ever since it has failed to load the desktop
[13:22] <allan8904> hi, i cant see to get and extended desktop display with Kubuntu jaunty, KDE 4.3.1, with and intel 915 graphics card using and external VGA moniter and the LVDS
[13:26] <suman> System > Administration menu is missing in 8.10.  Is this normal??
[13:28] <James147> suman: dident think there was a system > Administration menu in kde...
[13:28] <Ev0luti0n_> erm
[13:28] <Ev0luti0n_> why still use 8.10?:P
[13:28] <James147> and yeah, hasent support for 8.10 stoped?
[13:29] <Blaskowitz> Hi all, anyone know of a way to recover ext4 partitions? :(
[13:29] <suman> i did install jaunty, it gave me issues with graphics driver and a few other things
[13:29] <suman> so i had to downgrade it
[13:30] <suman> i didnt know support for 8.10 has stopped??
[13:31] <Unksi> suman: desktop support for normal (non-lts) releases is 18 months
[13:32] <suman> Unksi: alrite.. thanks for the info
[13:33] <Unksi> so, 8.10 should be supported until april 2010
[13:33] <suman> So i have a dell inspiron1525, 3 gb ram, intel core 2 duo processor with 1.7ghz...   will jaunty play well with it?? in terms of speed...
[13:34] <Unksi> unless you have intel graphics, it should run well :)
[13:34] <suman> I dont really want all the eye candy stuff, i use this for development and just want it to be faster and load the services that i want..
[13:34] <suman> Unksi: that is it.. i have intel graphics...
[13:34] <allan8904> i have intel graphics a 4 year old intel 915 chip and it runs fine
[13:34] <Unksi> jaunty has buggy intel drivers :/
[13:34] <allan8904> on a 1.7ghz, 512mb ram machine
[13:34] <Unksi> it should work, but will be slow
[13:35] <allan8904> nah if you use the uptodate ones its fine
[13:35] <Ev0luti0n_> suman: did you do a fresh install?
[13:35] <suman> allan8904:  wow, that is amazing...
[13:35] <Unksi> oh, they have fixed it? :)
[13:35] <allan8904> lol seriously it runs fine on my 4 year old laptop
[13:35] <allan8904> yeah it works fine
[13:35] <allan8904> after kde 4.1 it was sorted
[13:35] <Ev0luti0n_> I am a newbiew, but i have found out that sometimes only upgrading brings issues
[13:35] <suman> well, i did trying a fresh install of jaunty some time ago
[13:35] <allan8904> i mean kde4 compozing runs better then kde3 on my machine
[13:35] <suman> maybe 2 months, back and the intel graphics was a problem..
[13:36] <Unksi> yeah, i always make fresh install to avoid that^
[13:36] <allan8904> well i'm running it right now and its fine
[13:36] <allan8904> apart form the extended desktop it wont let me do it
[13:36] <Ev0luti0n_> allan8904: nvm that! i have problems with kde effetcs, and some other bugs
[13:36] <Ev0luti0n_> lol
[13:36] <suman> rite now , i am a bit confused as to whether my laptop is slow, because i dont have any other laptop to comapre to....
[13:36] <Ev0luti0n_> overall i do enjoy Kubuntu :)
[13:37] <suman> but when i switch applications, it is not seamless..
[13:37] <allan8904> Ev0luti0n_: what problems...the only "effect" i cant do are certain screensavers becasue the intel 915 only has opengl1.4 and i'm sure your lappys card supports that
[13:37] <suman> Ev0luti0n_: good for you...... i enjoy it too.....
[13:38] <Ev0luti0n_> :)
[13:38] <Ev0luti0n_> by speaking of screensavers
[13:38] <Ev0luti0n_> is it just me, or there is only one screensaver on kubuntu?
[13:38] <Ev0luti0n_> O.o
[13:38] <Ev0luti0n_> I can't choose another one than the default one, and i can't install others.
[13:38] <allan8904> lol
[13:38] <allan8904> maybe you have a buggy kubuntu install....
[13:39] <suman> The other issue that i have is , i cannot find an application to disable/enable services...... the system > system settings is not helpful
[13:39] <Ev0luti0n_> Uptime: 1 days, 17 hours and 34 minutes
[13:39] <allan8904> what startup services?
[13:39] <Ev0luti0n_> Random Fortune: The new Linux anthem will be "He's an idiot, but he's ok", as performed by Monthy Python. You'd better start practicing. 	-- Linus Torvalds, announcing another kernel patch
[13:40] <Ev0luti0n_> allan8904: how can it be a buggy KBU install, if i downloaded the freshest build, cleaned everything up, and did a standard install?
[13:40] <suman> allan8904: i want to disable some services that start during the laptop startup... like bluetooth, and some others that i have installed which loads  automatically
[13:40] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: install kscreensaver to get more screensavers... but i tend to find screensavers more anoying then helpfull i uasualy just turn the screen off :)
[13:41] <Ev0luti0n_> wohooo
[13:41] <Ev0luti0n_> lemme try that James147
[13:41] <Ev0luti0n_> thanks
[13:41] <Ev0luti0n_> Beer load [      \              ] 30%
[13:42] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: Keep in mind that the more fancy graphics will use your gpu... keeping it awake and sueing mroe power (more of a consern if your on a laptop)
[13:42] <allan8904> Ev0luti0n_: you can find all your startup services in /etc/rc.local and or /etc/rc.d/rc3.d
[13:43] <Ev0luti0n_> allan8904: are you suggesting that the screenserver config is there
[13:43] <Ev0luti0n_> ?
[13:43] <allan8904> oh no i'm talking about the bluetooth and all taht
[13:43] <Ev0luti0n_> *saver
[13:43] <Ev0luti0n_> O.o
[13:43] <allan8904> you can disable it by removing the lines
[13:43] <Ev0luti0n_> but i haven't talked about startup services nor kbluetooth :X
[13:43] <allan8904> oh
[13:44] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: /etc/rc.local and the toher are where services can eb enabled/disabled
[13:44] <allan8904> lol wrong person
[13:44] <allan8904> sorry it was suman who asked
[13:44] <allan8904> its late, and i have an assingment due in 3 hours and 15 minutes...sorry
[13:44] <Ev0luti0n_> hahah
[13:44] <Ev0luti0n_> no problem
[13:44] <Ev0luti0n_> O.o
[13:44] <Ev0luti0n_> what do you mean late!! it's 1:30 pm!
[13:44] <Ev0luti0n_> :P
[13:45] <allan8904> haha try 20:45 when youve been up since 4am :p
[13:45] <allan8904> and trying to write together a simple shell...that keeps segfaulting :|
[13:46] <Ev0luti0n_> Sysinfo for 'ev0sx1-desktop': Linux 2.6.28-11-generic running KDE 4.2.2 (KDE 4.2.2), CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4200+ at 1000 MHz (2399 bogomips), HD: 38/58GB, RAM: 989/1002MB, 166 proc's, 1.17d up
[13:46] <Ev0luti0n_> bugger!
[13:47] <allan8904> what?
[13:47] <Ev0luti0n_> It should display my current cpu speed
[13:47] <Ev0luti0n_> 2640mhz on overclock
[13:47] <Ev0luti0n_> not 1.0 ghz
[13:47] <allan8904> its probably speed stepped
[13:47] <allan8904> so when its not using it it slows your CPU down to save power
[13:47] <allan8904> like mine sits at 800 or so mhz most of the time
[13:48] <Ev0luti0n_> nope
[13:48] <allan8904> hmm then i got no idea :)
[13:48] <Ev0luti0n_> Or at least, i think that it is constant speed
[13:49] <allan8904> oh
[13:49] <Ev0luti0n_> since i disabled that thing on the bios
[13:49] <allan8904> nah linux will do it for you
[13:49] <Ev0luti0n_> :o
[13:49] <Ev0luti0n_> is that fo real?
[13:49] <allan8904> its a CPU thing
[13:49] <allan8904> yeah....
[13:49] <Ev0luti0n_> O.o
[13:49] <Ev0luti0n_> How can i get constant O.C.?
[13:50] <allan8904> umm disable it at teh kernel level?
[13:50] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: you shouldent need to... is there any reason you really need it to be constant?
[13:50] <allan8904> why would you want to anyways
[13:50] <allan8904> like all you are doing is wearing out your cpu and making more heat
[13:50] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: you just need to change the powersaving policy
[13:50] <Ev0luti0n_> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMAGAD
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> I HAZ NEW SCREENSAVAZ
[13:51] <allan8904> lols
[13:51] <allan8904> how old are you?
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> just kidding
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> 23
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> :)
[13:51] <allan8904> lols
[13:51] <allan8904> and you're from?
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> Europe
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> Portugal
[13:51] <allan8904> lols
[13:51] <allan8904> strange people there...
[13:51] <allan8904> xD
[13:51] <Ev0luti0n_> lol
[13:52] <Ev0luti0n_> can't i be considered a normal person that just hangs out on 4chan all day long? -.-
[13:52] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: If you really really want to change it (but i advise agienst it) you can do it in system settings > advanced tab > power managment > edit profiles  > chose a profile you are useing  (normally preformance) > cpu and system > and change Cpu frequency scaling policy to preformance
[13:53] <Ev0luti0n_> James147: thanks
[13:53] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: But you really really dont need to
[13:53] <allan8904> hahah yeah definately not normal lol
[13:54] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: I dont think you gain any preformance benifits to doing it ^^ at least not for anything you will knotice
[13:55] <Ev0luti0n_> hehhe thanks anyway going to try that out latter
[13:55] <Ev0luti0n_> *later
[13:56] <allan8904> is this like "my first linux" for you?
[13:56] <Ev0luti0n_> i am still testing these new screensavers
[13:56] <Ev0luti0n_> LOL
[13:56] <suman> rc.local doesnot have all the service.. it just lists some of the modules..
[13:56] <Ev0luti0n_> allan8904: not really... i've tryed some distros before
[13:56] <Ev0luti0n_> but i have been using linux since Jan/09
[13:56] <suman> on mine it just has ndiswrapper, b44, and ssb
[13:56] <allan8904> suman: hmm hang on
[13:56] <Ev0luti0n_> Lot's of stuff i don't know of or how to do, still
[13:57] <suman> basically, i dont want bluetooth, apache, glassfish not load during startup
[13:58] <allan8904> have you used the service manager in system settings?
[13:58] <allan8904> like thats the "GUI" way of doing it
[13:58] <allan8904> oh
[13:58] <allan8904> sorry wrong thing
[13:59] <allan8904> i know there was a gui way of doing it...i just cant remeber
[13:59] <suman> allan8904: there is nothing there.... i looked at it a lot of times
[13:59] <suman> i dont know why kubuntu doesnot have it... i know ubuntu had it..
[14:02] <djdarkman> does fast user switching work in KDE?
[14:03] <phh> yes
[14:07] <Ev0luti0n_> Anybody here playing nexuiz?
[14:12] <Jarkkimus> In Kubuntu 9.04, where can I find the setting "Accept remote desktop connection without confirmation" ?
[14:14] <Jarkkimus> There is no such program on the menu where this setting can be set..
[14:29] <Ev0luti0n_> folks
[14:29] <Ev0luti0n_> disaster struck on my pc
[14:32] <Jarkkimus> Ev0luti0n_: Tell us more about it.
[14:32] <Ev0luti0n_> well the computer crashed 2 mins ago
[14:33] <Ev0luti0n_> and i killed a system process manually to try to restart plasma
[14:33] <Ev0luti0n_> now i am only seeing white and gray squares on my desktop
[14:33] <Ev0luti0n_> the system tray and klauncher are all messed up
[14:33] <Jarkkimus> Ev0luti0n_: That happens sometimes. Hit the reset button.
[14:34] <Ev0luti0n_> i did
[14:34] <Ev0luti0n_> didn't solved it
[14:34] <Jarkkimus> How big hammer did you hit it with?
[14:35] <Ev0luti0n_> :\
[14:36] <Jarkkimus> Use at least 10 lb. sledge hammer, smaller wont work.
[14:37] <Ev0luti0n_> how can i reinstall kde?
[14:37] <James147> Ev0luti0n_: could be cruupt config files... try renaming ~/.kde
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:13] <ev0sx1> hello again folks
[15:14] <ev0sx1> i am having a problem with my kubuntu
[15:14] <ev0sx1> the desktop crashed an now it's like this
[15:14] <ev0sx1> http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/Ev0luti0n_/snapshot1-1.png
[15:15] <ev0sx1> i tried reinstalling kde which didn't solved the problem
[15:15] <ev0sx1> also tried renaming .kde directory which made things worse
[15:15] <ev0sx1> system try also works incorrectly
[15:17] <ev0sx1> *tray
[15:17] <ev0sx1> any suggestions?
[15:21] <Guest93164> please link to ubuntu in spanish???
[15:22] <BluesKaj> !es | Guest93164
[16:02] <eean> what's the story with openofice and kde4 integration?
[16:03] <eean> is there any way to get it working now? my girlfriend needs KIO.
[16:04] <phh> does she need openoffice ?
[16:04] <eean> yes
[16:05] <phh> there are some fuse/kio stuff but don't know if that really works
[16:05] <eean> well yea I could set up sshfs or something instead, but I've found it to be really flacky
[16:05] <eean> it doesn't handle problems very well
[16:06] <eean> I suppose I have two kubuntu computers on the same network, would be open to other ideas to easily share a directory
[16:06] <eean> ssh + sftp:// is just so easy
[16:10] <geneiros> hi there
[16:11] <fy913m> hi
[16:34] <hquadrat> hi there
[16:34] <hquadrat> is there an automatic way to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04 ?
[16:38] <ute_> hi
[16:40] <ute_> how can i install a printer on kubuntu? When i install via kickoff->System->Printer Configuration then it works in KDE apps and OO.org but not in Firefox and it's gone after the next reboot
[16:40] <ute_> it doesn't ask me for admin mode or something like that
[16:40] <ute_> i'm using kubuntu 9.04
[16:41] <ute_> anyone alive?
[16:41] <ute_> or is setting up a printer too tough. ;)
[16:41] <hquadrat> I've also been waiting for a few minutes
[16:42] <hquadrat> maybe we could ring the bell
[16:43]  * ute_ rings the bell, REAL LOUD!!! :)
[16:44] <BluesKaj> hquadrat, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[16:45] <ute_> #look ppl, pls help. i usually use gentoo but thought it might be an time-saving job to set up kubuntu on the computer of my mother in law. by now, i'm not sure...
[16:45] <hquadrat> thank you BluesKaj
[16:45] <greg__> ute--hello try inputung in a browser url "localhost:631" without the quotes. this will bring up the CUPS server for printing management
[16:45] <ute_> greg__:  works, but doesn't save either
[16:45] <hquadrat> where do I run those commands?
[16:46] <hquadrat> last time I used Adept
[16:46] <BluesKaj> hquadrat, or you couod follow the instructions here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ
[16:46] <hquadrat> but the option for the distribution update is gone
[16:46] <greg__> do you have save sessions set to on?? when looging out see that you have save session enabled
[16:46] <BluesKaj> hquadrat, in the konsole
[16:47] <ute_> greg__: at one point it asks me for auth, normally cups want's the root password, but kubuntu uses sudo, so i entered the username and password of the current user who is allowed to sudo
[16:47] <hquadrat> ah, found the konsole
[16:47] <ute_> it "worked", but was gone after reboot
[16:47] <hquadrat> my konsole, the strange thing ;-)
[16:48] <BluesKaj> !konsole
[16:48] <BluesKaj> !terminal
[16:48] <Coyotes> There should be an option to run a shortcut as admin?
[16:49] <Coyotes> Could have sworn I'd seen that.
[16:49] <ute_> so it's a big deal to set up a printer with kubuntu? I'm astonished, honestly.
[16:49] <greg__> i was referring to system logout, is there a checkmark in the loout spalsh that says session enable?
[16:49] <ute_> greg__: talking to me?
[16:50] <BluesKaj> ute_, lexmark ?
[16:50] <greg__> you are running kubuntu at kde4.4.1?
[16:50] <ute_> no, old HP over parallel port
[16:50] <greg__> ute yes
[16:51] <ute_> no, kde 4.2, the default install with 9.04
[16:51] <hquadrat> BluesKaj: yeah, I know what a console is
[16:51] <BluesKaj> ute_, it should use hpijs driver , check it out in your package manager
[16:51] <greg__> kde 4.3.1 opps
[16:51] <hquadrat> it says "unable to lock the administration directory ..."
[16:52] <greg__> BluesKaj, do you mean HPLIP?
[16:52] <ute_> BluesKaj: I can select a driver. It works for the current session (except for Firefox) but is gone after a reboot.
[16:52] <greg__> brb
[16:52] <ute_> greg__: hmm, sorry for the lame question: i though session saving was the default in KDE?
[16:53] <ute_> where do i set session saving
[16:53] <ute_> anybody?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> hquadrat, well we're never sure what ppl know and don't know , so we have to guage by their response and you called " the strange thing" so ....
[16:53] <ute_> BluesKaj: I tried multiple drivers, they all worked. I wanted to use the HPLIP driver though.
[16:54] <hquadrat> BluesKaj: acutally I'm a newbee, you were right
[16:54] <BluesKaj> the konsole that is
[16:54] <hquadrat> but I know the console I the powerfulthing behind everything
[16:55] <BluesKaj> ute_, HPILP supports your printer?
[16:55] <ute_> yep, sure, as i said, it works for the current session
[16:55] <hquadrat> the question might not be popular, but last time adept package manager did the update
[16:55] <ute_> BluesKaj: after a reboot the printer is gone
[16:55] <hquadrat> any similar thing available now?
[16:56] <hquadrat> before I start to find out why it doesn't work on the console ...
[16:56] <ute_> BluesKaj: besides that, i tried 2-3 other drivers they worked fine as well, including the hpijs driver
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ute_, HPLIP contains the hpijs driver , it's a wrapper and management system
[16:57] <ute_> BluesKaj: but all of them are gone after ending the current session. i guess that's why greg__ asked "do you have save sessions set to on? when looging out see that you have save session enabled"
[16:57] <ute_> i don't see that
[16:58] <ute_> but maybe thats due to the fact that i'm using kde 4.2
[16:58] <ute_> on my own (gentoo) boxes i use 4.3.1
[16:58] <ute_> gentoo is different anyway
[16:58] <ute_> and that's my problem...
[16:58] <BluesKaj> ute_, if you're on a home pc , don't bother ending sessions , unless you have other users
[16:59] <ute_> BluesKaj: What do u mean, don't end the session
[16:59] <ute_> ?
[16:59] <ute_> don't reboot?
[16:59] <ute_> as i said, this box is for my mother in law
[17:00] <ute_> not a 24/7 machine
[17:00] <ute_> :)
[17:00] <BluesKaj> no just leave it open ended
[17:00] <ute_> sorry, i dont get what ur trying to tell me
[17:00] <BluesKaj> I don't open sessions as such
[17:00] <ute_> what do you mean with "session"???
[17:01] <ute_> From login to logout???
[17:01] <BluesKaj> !session
[17:02] <ute_> look, there must be a way to GLOBALLY install a printer in kubuntu
[17:02] <ute_> i dont want my mother in law to be able to change the printer.
[17:02] <ute_> of course
[17:02] <ute_> :)
[17:04] <BluesKaj> ute_, sorry , I don't understand why your printer config isn't retaining it's settings
[17:05] <ute_> ok, thanks anyway
[17:05] <BluesKaj> have you looked in system settings
[17:05] <ute_> BluesKaj: yes
[17:05] <BluesKaj> do you printer config icon there ?
[17:06] <BluesKaj> have
[17:06] <ute_> yes
[17:06] <ute_> i can set up a new printer. it works for that session, but even in that session it doesn't work for firefox, but for KDE apps and OO.org
[17:08] <ute_> BluesKaj: the excact name of the driver i would like to use is "hpijs <IP_ADDRESS> - HPLIP 3.9.2"
[17:09] <BluesKaj> don't close the session when you shutdown , that's all i can tell you . As for FF not seeing your printer, does print preview show anything
[17:09] <ute_> BluesKaj: Preview works perfectly
[17:10] <ute_> BluesKaj: I can even select the printer, but it doesn't work.
[17:10] <BluesKaj> ute_, do you have a FW ?
[17:11] <ute_> erm, afaik kubuntu doesn't have one as a default
[17:11] <BluesKaj> some ppl do tho
[17:11] <BluesKaj> just checking
[17:12] <ute_> sorry, got to go, my daughter has to go to bed. I'll be back later
[17:12] <BluesKaj> is hplip-cups installed ?
[17:14] <ute_> BluesKaj: hplip and hplip-data are installed, otherwise i couldn't select the driver. :)
[17:14] <ute_> well, anyway, gotta split now
[17:15] <ute_> BluesKaj: thanks for spending your time with me!!!
[17:15] <hquadrat> BluesKaj: I was able to start both commands on the console but nothing happened
[17:15] <hquadrat> says more ore less: 0B to download
[17:16] <hquadrat> last time there were some 700MB to download
[17:17] <hquadrat> damn, forget it
[17:17] <hquadrat> suddenly on the lower right an update symbol appeared
[17:18] <hquadrat> so thanks a lot ot you
[17:18] <BluesKaj> hquadrat, sudo apt-get update , then , sudo apt-get upgrade, then , sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:19] <hquadrat> yeah, that worked in the end
[17:19] <hquadrat> thanks
[17:19] <hquadrat> adept was first blocking the access to the admin directory
[17:19] <hquadrat> so I had to close that first
[17:20] <hquadrat> new system - everything takes ages :-)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> yeah , linux doesn't like competing install apps running simultaneously
[17:22] <blackflag> Hello all :) How can I get a the sessionID from phpmyadmin?
[17:38] <gilrim> I cant seem to get my vga output to extend the desktop, just clone the laptop output... ideaas?
[17:39] <gilrim> in krandr I can see both, but I cant move the vga/lvds boxes around...
[18:01] <meatwad64> i'm running kde 4.3.1 but it seems to have issues with my ati hd3870 I can't seem to use opengl compositing
[18:01] <meatwad64> only xrender works
[18:03] <ship> mm
[18:03] <ship> dunno
[18:03] <ship> here with ati xpress200 everything works
[18:04] <ship> but i have not installed nothing
[18:04] <ship> just installed kubuntu and go
[18:05] <meatwad64> ok yeah i just installed kubuntu 9.04 and installed the kde 4.3 packages
[18:07] <amgarchIn9> hi, what tool do you use to upload large files that allows interrupt/resume ?
[18:10] <trakinas> amgarchIn9: scp or sftp.
[18:12] <amgarchIn9> trakinas: I am on DSL with 100KB/s uplink, "scp" is now has 6% complete. You say I can hit cntrl-C (or logout) and resume later?
[18:13] <James147> amgarchIn9: not sure about rcp, but i know rsync can do it
[18:14] <amgarchIn9> James147: I know of rsync use to "resume" syncing *directories*, never used that for *files*.
[18:15] <trakinas> amgarchIn9: might help - http://joen.dk/wordpress/?p=34
[18:15] <James147> amgarchIn9: you can use --partial option to keep partially transfered files
[18:15] <avihayb> http://joen.dk/wordpress/?p=34
[18:15] <avihayb> damn, too late
[18:19] <pedro> que es esto
[18:21] <amgarchIn9> James147, avihayb: thanks, seems to work for me
[18:25] <slow-motion> hi
[18:44] <CoolAcid> Anyone deal with duel monitors on ATI card?
[18:54] <ship> CoolAcid: here intel :) and works
[18:59] <jtheuer> which networkmanager applet will be the default in karmic?
[18:59] <genii-around> jtheuer: Maybe ask in #ubuntu+1
[19:01] <Seren__> I got a kubuntu+1 question but no one seems to know on ubuntu+1
[19:01] <Seren__> is xsplash supposed to be installed on kubuntu ?
[19:12] <jtheuer> same for me ;-)
[19:19] <robin0800> Seren__: think not ubuntu gnome only
[19:20] <Seren__> I found a blueprint xsplash for kubuntu
[19:20] <CoolAcid> ship - current problem - when I go full screen game, it returns to single monitor, and won't go back to duel until X restart
[19:21] <Seren__> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-karmic-xsplash
[19:21] <Seren__> but it is "undefined" and xsplash has lots of gtk/gnome dependencies
[19:22] <robin0800> Seren__: Kde are always? behind ubuntu and gnome
[19:23] <Seren__> robin0800> I wonder what we will get for karmic, xsplash with a bunch of dependencies or usplash
[19:25] <robin0800> Seren__: personally I would like autologon and no splash at all
[19:57] <tzanger> is it possible to turn OFF plasma with 9.04? it's just too damned unstable to use.
[19:57] <tzanger> I have the desktop effects turned off, but plasma also seems to run the taskbar
[19:58] <Some_Person> what is kde's default terminal size (in rows and columns)?
[19:59] <tzanger> Some_Person: wouldn't it be 80x24?
[20:00] <Some_Person> can you check if that is actually it?
[20:00] <tzanger> no, my defaults are changed :-)
[20:00] <Some_Person> well, i can't check because i'm not a kde user
[20:18] <jack_spratt> OK, I was in here, and #ubuntu, and #linux earlier trying to get rid of grub error 17 which was originially caused by me changing which ide cable  my HDD was attached to. Since then I've tried using the puppy linux boot installer, the mandriva boot installer, the ubuntu installer, and doing it using the grub shell in CLI. None of these have worked so far. I'm a full time developer and need to work on this machine tomorrow in 13hrs time. I'm currently
[20:18] <jack_spratt>  kubuntu 9.04 liveCD. Im sure that my problem is VERY SIMPLE. Anyone care to lend a hand?
[20:26] <BluesKaj> jack_spratt:  try this , it looks related to your problem, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945
[20:29] <jack_spratt> BluesKaj: That does look like something that I could try. However the drives and bios settings currently attached have been unchanged for many months, so presumably whatever setting in BIOS these options have work correctly. I shall give it a go however. Thanks for the link
[20:39] <Andress__> buenos dias tardes noches
[20:39] <Andress__> necesito ayuda con una duda
[20:39] <Andress__> alguien?
[20:50] <_genuser_> Hello People.
[20:55] <Razer> ok... i hawe a little question... i hawe problem with mont of a hdd... it is ntsf and i hawe uset if on a win computer... if i re format it in linux do you thikn it wod solv my problem?
[20:55] <CoolAcid> Razer: whats your problem?
[20:57] <Razer> CoolAcid: the hdd monts and then it dissmonts and so on.. and my ather hdd (ntsf from a win comp) dose NOT mont wen the ather is monted... and somties i get a messige i think means thet i donot hawe permissin of the hdd
[20:58] <CoolAcid> Razer: is there error messages? What if you mount via console?
[20:58] <Razer> CoolAcid: im an noob so i dont know how to :P
[21:00] <soupie> Since installing Ubuntu, my battery life on full charge has reduced from 1hr 44min to only 1hr.  Any suggestions?
[21:01] <soupie> 1hr 44 was under windows, now trying ubuntu.
[21:01] <ubuntu> ola
[21:01] <Mufasa> Razer: run dmesg in a console and check if there where any errors/warnings/something that tells you why it was unmounted
[21:02] <Razer> hehe... what is this?
[21:02] <Razer>   306.603351] rtc: lost some interrupts at 1024Hz.
[21:08] <Razer> i found a selusion of the error mess...
[21:08] <Razer> Very simple solution: disabling the suspend mode of the hard disk did it!
[21:24] <genux_k> lo
[21:24] <genux_k> I am using the karmic.. very impressed :)
[21:24] <genux_k> just wondering how can I do some development for it ?
[21:25] <genux_k> I am a c++/kernel/ php / javascript/ html etc.etc.et sql etc.etc developer but have read it is hard to get into the k/ubuntu scene
[21:27] <nado121> hi
[21:27] <nado121> will i find support for the new karmic here?
[21:45] <Mufasa> which packet do I need for stealth cashew to work?
[21:49] <Mufasa> ok, found it it's plasma-scriptengine-ruby
[21:54] <Razer>  ok wen im trying to mount my hdd so i cane save the things on it befor format (the hdd is ntsf) then i get thiss error " Return code from mount was 1. "incorrect invocation or permissions"
[22:07] <Mufasa> tousent thankyous to author of "i HATE the Cashew" :*
[22:07] <Mufasa> it should be in default kubuntu install
[22:38] <sourcemaker> what is the difference between kleopatra und kpgp?
[23:12] <DTsan> i need help installing a program from a .bundle file
[23:37] <DTsan> anyone here that can help me with a .bundle files?
[23:43] <epimeth> hi guys... does anyone know how to connect to a wireless WPA2-PSK network from the command line? google has been a dead end...
[23:43] <DTsan> why do you need command line?
[23:44] <epimeth> because I somehow uninstalled kde/kdm when I tried installing the koffice beta...
[23:44] <DTsan> oh, fun
[23:44] <epimeth> yea
[23:44] <epimeth> :
[23:44] <DTsan> well sadly i don't know how to do that
[23:44] <epimeth> :-)
[23:44] <epimeth> tease :-P
[23:45] <DTsan> would you happen to know how to install programs from .bundle files?
[23:45] <epimeth> .deb files?
[23:45] <DTsan> no
[23:45] <DTsan> .bundle files
[23:45] <epimeth> aren
[23:46] <epimeth> aren't .deb files bundle files?  whats the extension?
[23:46] <DTsan> .bundle
[23:46] <LjL> no they aren't
[23:47] <DTsan> VMware-Player-2.5.3-185404.i386.bundle
[23:47] <DTsan> that is the file
[23:47] <LjL> !vmware
[23:47]  * DTsan checks that
[23:47] <epimeth> googling "kubuntu bundle" .... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=991726   is that any help?
[23:47] <LjL> bundle files are just executable
[23:47] <LjL> i'd stay miles clear from one. but.
[23:48] <DTsan> well my choices are .rpm and .bundle
[23:48] <DTsan> the rpm don't work and everyone i talk to tells me not to convert them
[23:48] <LjL> if using virtualbox or qemu isn't a choice, i suppose
[23:48] <epimeth> LjL: any reason they are "dot bundle" instead of "dot sh" ???
[23:49] <DTsan> i can't get the network to work and i have experiece with vmware already
[23:49] <epimeth> DTsan: why can't you use virtualbox? I use it and its great...
[23:49] <LjL> epimeth: because the way they work is somewhat standardized.
[23:49] <DTsan> also: thanks that link had everything i need
[23:49] <DTsan> couldn't get the network to wotk
[23:50] <DTsan> attempting install now
[23:51] <epimeth> LjL: gotcha.... while we're talking, you wouldn't happen to know how to connect to a WPA2-PSK network from the CL would ya?
[23:51] <LjL> epimeth: nah, i'm on WEP. i couldn't manage WPA to begin with.
[23:51] <LjL> actually, i can't manage WEP most of the time; fortunately my own computer is on ethernet.
[23:52] <epimeth> grrrrr.... stupid newfangled technologies with no good *easy* linux solutions
[23:59] <epimeth> hi guys... does anyone know how to connect to a wireless WPA2-PSK network from the command line? google has been a dead end...
[23:59] <LjL> epimeth: suppose you've asked in #ubuntu, by the way?


[03:26] <mhall119> shutting down, see you guys in Budapest
[03:26] <pleia2> see you, mhall119!
[05:34] <IdleOne> have a good time mhall119
[05:48] <vish> jcastro: maybe we should mention who is supposed to check the "Participation essential" for blueprints..
[05:49] <vish> there seem to be a lot of remote participants selecting that.. auto-scheduler is going to go crazy :p
[06:28] <nigelb> hello
[06:32] <nigelb> bah, IRC is a lonely place at this time of the day...
[08:53] <AlanBell> just added some more words to http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk
[09:09] <head_victim> vish: what is the "participation essential" thing anyway, I couldn't work it out so I just tick yes just in case.
[09:10] <AlanBell> argh
[09:10] <AlanBell> don't do that head_victim
[09:10] <head_victim> AlanBell: I couldn't work out if it was needed or not
[09:10] <head_victim> Can I untick it anywhere?
[09:10] <AlanBell> if there is a session where you fully expect to be standing up front and leading the conversation then tick it
[09:11] <AlanBell> if you are going to be sitting a few rows back and listening attentively and throwing in the occasional comment then don't tick it
[09:11] <Pendulum> head_victim: 'participation essential' means that you must be present for the discussion because you are leading/have information that must be discussed/are a vital role in whatever the session is discussing
[09:12] <head_victim> If I unsubscribe and resubscribe and not tick it will that fix it?
[09:12] <Pendulum> checking it a lot throws off Summit because then it has to move things so that there aren't 2 sessions at the same time where you're listed as essential at both
[09:12] <Pendulum> I think so
[09:13] <head_victim> Ok it's only 2 blueprints I'm subbed to so easy to do if that will fix it
[09:13] <Pendulum> ah, that's not so bad
[09:13] <Pendulum> (usually people are subbed to loads which is why it's not good to check it on all of them)
[09:13] <head_victim> Ok well I'll do that in the hopes it fixes my error
[09:14] <AlanBell> not a big deal if is is just two
[09:14] <head_victim> Oh if you hit unsubscribe it gives you the option to untick it and then update it
[09:14] <head_victim> Even easier
[09:14] <AlanBell> and if it was just one then it would have no effect at all
[09:14] <head_victim> Done.
[09:15] <head_victim> I had that on a list of things to ask about
[09:15] <head_victim> Glad it was brought up here
[09:15] <AlanBell> :)
[09:15] <head_victim> It was one of those "well if I don't tick it now will that mean I can't later? If I tick it now what happens? Oh crap I'll just tick it"
[09:16] <Pendulum> when I'm physically at UDS, I tend to check it for everything a11y related, but I'm not sure I've ever sat in an a11y-related session and not opened my mouth
[09:16] <head_victim> Yeah see I'm not even physically attending
[10:04] <vish> jcastro: see ^  :p
[10:05] <vish> yea, the wording itself is a bit ambiguous for that option..
[10:09] <head_victim> vish: Sorry for the hassles but hopefully it's brought the issue to light a bit.  :D
[10:11] <head_victim> Yeah and discussion could mean mailing list discussion
[12:10] <nigelb> hello hello
[12:10] <AlanBell> hi nigelb
[12:10] <AlanBell> where in the world are you?
[12:20] <nigelb> AlanBell, sorry, connection bored
[12:20] <nigelb> I remember replying one line to you, not sure if you got anything afterward
[12:20] <AlanBell> where in the world are you?
[12:20] <nigelb> Delhi :)
[12:20] <AlanBell> ah ok
[12:20] <AlanBell> when do you get to Budapest?
[12:20] <nigelb> Got my passport \o/
[12:20] <AlanBell> yay
[12:21] <nigelb> I'll get there 10:30 am local time sunday
[12:21] <nigelb> just found out, the canonical employee who's visa also got approved along with me got his visa start date as 9th
[12:21] <nigelb> which means he'll probably have to reschedule :(
[12:21] <Pendulum> oh dear
[12:21] <nigelb> He called me to check mine in case I had such misforture
[12:21] <AlanBell> ouch
[12:22] <AlanBell> I would go anyway and try and get through
[12:22] <AlanBell> deny noticing
[12:22] <nigelb> I'm not sure if that helps though
[12:22] <AlanBell> I doubt anyone would check the start date of a visa
[12:23] <nigelb> hrm, the countries I visited, they always gave you visa as a paper and when you landed there, they wrote the start and end date
[12:23] <AlanBell> end date, maybe
[12:23] <nigelb> but I guess that's specific to GCC countries
[12:23] <Pendulum> AlanBell: oh, I'm sure they would check it
[12:23] <nigelb> ok, if I go offline either my battery is out OR I finished the free wi-fi periood
[12:23] <Pendulum> probably worse if  he were going to the US
[12:24] <Pendulum> but I'm sure it's checked
[12:24] <nigelb> I don't mind paying but I will when I get to a charging point for power
[12:24] <nigelb> even if we don't, I'm sure immigration officials glance at it
[12:24] <nigelb> It would be horrible to be extradited back.
[12:25] <AlanBell> I once went through heathrow passport control using theopensourcerer's passport
[12:26] <Pendulum> AlanBell: you're also British and sound British and white
[12:26] <nigelb> AlanBell,  what in the....
[12:26] <Pendulum> and while still risky, they're not going to check you as much
[12:26] <AlanBell> Pendulum: yeah, fair point
[12:27] <AlanBell> nigelb: we went to the bank to open a business account and the bank manager checked both our passports, then handed them back . . .
[12:27] <AlanBell> next day I went to Germany for something
[12:27] <nigelb> AlanBell, they didn't check at Germany OR London?
[12:27] <nigelb> AlanBell, wow, that
[12:27] <nigelb> *that's strange
[12:28] <AlanBell> got my passport checked and was waved through and as the passport control chap handed back my passport I noticed the picture was wearing red, when I was sure I was wearing blue
[12:28] <AlanBell> I wondered round the corner and checked and it was the wrong one!
[12:28] <AlanBell> I phoned Al, who luckily was in and could come to Heathrow to swap them over
[12:29] <nigelb> heh
[12:29] <AlanBell> then I went back to passport control and explained the error *they* had made
[12:29] <nigelb> Also, the thing where you have the escalator like thingy but not stairs, is scary
[12:29] <AlanBell> they were totally cool with sorting it out without filling in any forms ;)
[12:29] <nigelb> the girl in front of me had her shoe laces stuck in it
[12:29] <nigelb> I hit her trolley and sort of fell down
[12:30] <nigelb> Took a minute for all of us to recover.  Thankfully, no injuries
[14:45] <nigelb> aha
[14:46] <nigelb> finally got a place to charge the laptop
[14:46] <nigelb> and bought wifi :)
[15:38] <waseem> hey guys
[15:39] <waseem> can't install ubuntu 11.04 on my sony vaio cr, it tell me after boot uncompression error
[15:39] <waseem> any idea?
[15:39] <AlanBell> try asking in #ubuntu
[15:40] <waseem> why can't in here?
[15:40] <AlanBell> this is an admin channel not a support channel
[15:40] <waseem> oh sorry and thanks for the guide
[15:41] <AlanBell> no problem
[16:07] <nigelb> bah
[16:07] <nigelb> I'm totally bored
[16:11] <popey> :)
[16:40] <paultag> Morning, all
[21:10] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/meeting/linaro-kernel-o-storage-performance-3/ summit hackers might want to have a look at that
[21:10] <AlanBell> not sure if it is a bug in my code or a data issue
[23:06] <cjohnston> AlanBell: still around?
[23:06] <AlanBell> yup
[23:07] <cjohnston> thats odd that 1 and 2 work, but not three
[23:07] <cjohnston> on summit
[23:07] <cjohnston> also
[23:07] <cjohnston> do you see the issue with the text behind the pad?
[23:08] <cjohnston> aand why do roundtables not have pads
[23:08] <AlanBell> some funky stuff happens occasionally with that pad server
[23:09] <AlanBell> no idea, a load of things lost their pad links yesterday
[23:09] <AlanBell> there are two sessions with the slug linaro-kernel-o-storage-performance-3
[23:09] <cjohnston> thats the problem then
[23:10] <AlanBell> monday 12:00 and wednesday 16:15
[23:10] <AlanBell> the monday one should really be changed I guess
[23:11] <AlanBell> I am a bit worried about that etherpad server tbh
[23:11] <cjohnston> i dont see one monday at noon
[23:11] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-o/track/linaro-kernel/
[23:12] <cjohnston> I dont see a 3 on the one monday
[23:12] <AlanBell> I went through all the sessions on monday creating the pad and putting in hash tags for all the morning session
[23:12] <AlanBell> the slug is a 3
[23:12] <cjohnston> o
[23:12] <cjohnston> i see that now
[23:13] <cjohnston> joey: james_w` jcastro pign
[23:13] <cjohnston> ping too
[23:13] <cjohnston> or Daviey
[23:13] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~summit-hackers/summit/trunk/revision/97
[23:13] <AlanBell> that was Daviey making the pad link conditional
[23:15] <cjohnston> so it sounds like there is a way to define if a session has a pad?
[23:15] <AlanBell> looks like it only shows up when there is an associated blueprint
[23:16] <cjohnston> I disagree with that
[23:16] <AlanBell> disagree with the policy or my interpretation of the code?
[23:16] <cjohnston> policy
[23:17] <AlanBell> yeah, I am not convinced either
[23:17] <cjohnston> I would say private no pad
[23:17] <cjohnston> and maybe plenary no pad
[23:18] <cjohnston> this is why making all these changes last minute sucks soo bad
[23:18] <AlanBell> sounds fair
[23:18] <nhandler> I'd personally be in favor of a pad for all of them. It gives everyone a place to put the notes, which is quite useful for people following remotely (especially if the videos take a long time like last time)
[23:18] <cjohnston> other than private meetings ^
[23:22] <nhandler> Yep (unless you could setup the pads to be private in some way)
[23:22] <cjohnston> not this late id say
[23:25] <AlanBell> not with no access to the pad server
[23:26] <AlanBell> I don't even know who installed it or has access to it
[23:26] <AlanBell> would like the hashtag plugin to be turned on, elmo said:
[23:26] <AlanBell> 22:30 #canonical-sysadmin: < elmo> AlanBell: I'll ask someone to look into it tomorrow, if time permits (we'll be very busy with the rest of the setup)
[23:29] <AlanBell> it would have been nice to do the theme thing for the pad, but I think there is no chance of getting anything deployed to it
[23:32] <cjohnston> :-/
[23:35] <cjohnston> do we have a theme AlanBell
[23:35] <AlanBell> not sure, nigelb was working on one
[23:36] <cjohnston> gotcha
[23:36] <AlanBell> I could do one fairly quickly I expect
[23:36] <cjohnston> be awesome if the text behind the pad was gone
[23:36] <AlanBell> that will go if you refresh a few times
[23:37] <AlanBell> I think they have messed something up
[23:37] <cjohnston> I have issues with all sorts of the light-django-theme... so I figure the issues with everything else may be me too
[23:38] <AlanBell> I don't know if they have tried to be smart and do some load balancing or caching thing
[23:38] <cjohnston> I've had some issues since one of my upgrades on natty back a few months ago
[23:39] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-o-desktop-o-ubuntuone-improve-unity-integration?theme=micro
[23:39] <AlanBell> if you refresh you get different stuff each time
[23:40] <cjohnston> have you asked elmo about it
[23:41] <AlanBell> not yet, only just figured out it wasn't just me, I spent most of the day reinstalling my laptop to go from 32bit to 64bit
[23:43] <cjohnston> gotchha


[00:53] <hallyn> jjohansen: not sure where this fits into the kernel/dev wiki docs (i didn't see any dups), but it may be helpful to someone someday: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergeHallyn_ppakernels
[01:59] <jjohansen> hallyn: thanks, I'm sure we can work it in
[02:45] <azelphur_> Hi, Someone recommended I use the desktop kernel on my server, as I'm running game servers, and the server version prioritizes throughput rather than latency, is this true?
[02:45] <azelphur_> FPS game server so extra milliseconds are good :p
[06:23] <zabyl> kernel bug http://bit.ly/jpStCy  line:2921
[06:27] <zabyl> kernel bug http://bit.ly/m2BtFD line:1401
[07:03] <zabyl> need help with btrfs bugs in 11.04 server x64
[07:07] <jjohansen> zabyl: uh you do realize btrfs is still experimental?
[07:07] <zabyl> yes it is fine in 10.10 /boot ext2 and / btrfs
[07:08] <zabyl> I am trying to report kernel bug http://bit.ly/jpStCy  line:2921
[07:08] <zabyl> and kernel bug http://bit.ly/m2BtFD line:1401
[07:13] <jjohansen> zabyl: okay, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[07:14] <jjohansen> will let you file a bug against the linux package
[07:14]  * jjohansen doesn't know why they make it so hard to find
[07:16] <zabyl> I understand that this link is not for kernel bugs am I right?
[07:26] <zabyl> thank you,  filed it bug #776141 can you see it?
[07:26] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 776141 in linux "kernel bug in 11.04 server x64 btrfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776141
[07:33] <RAOF> jjohansen: Because they'd prefer you use “ubuntu-bug linux”, which'll include all sorts of interesting information automatically :)
[07:35] <RAOF> zabyl: That's not a particularly good bug report.  Specifically, it doesn't actually say what went wrong, with what kernel version, or at what point.  Including some description (like “the kernel panics with <msg> on boot”) and the full error message/kernel panic is likely to make it better.
[07:37] <zabyl> do you know how to redirect / log kernel trace to some file in /boot
[07:39] <zabyl> links provided in this bug report are from the console output and pointing to exact location in the source inode.c and extend-tree.c of the 11.04 build
[07:46] <RAOF> Right.  But don't contain the *actual error message*
[07:47] <RAOF> Taking a photograph of the screen seems to be a reasonably common method of capturing early-boot panics.  If the system mounts the drives - it's not at all clear from your bug report whether this is the case or not - then you'll find a full, unabridged log in /var/log.
[07:53] <apw> zabyl, i can only seconf RAOF's comment, the bit that is missing is the stack trace of how we got to that line
[07:57] <zabyl> Yes the system did not mount / and because CONFIG_BUG=y in /boot/config-2.6.38-8-server I was able to see the output of BUG_ON for these lines
[08:18] <apw> cking, morning
[08:20] <cking> hiya
[08:20] <apw> cking, enjoy the long weekend ?
[08:20] <jk-> hey apw
[08:21] <cking> apw, yeah, lots of decorating and now lots of emails ;-)
[08:21] <cking> apw, how about you?
[08:21] <apw> jk-, hi ya
[08:21] <apw> cking, lots of getting ready for the deluge of presents we expect today
[08:21] <cking> heh
[08:23] <jk-> presents?
[08:46] <cooloney> apw and cking, morning guys, how's the wedding party of prince william?
[08:46]  * smb did not know they were invited. :-P
[08:47] <cooloney> smb: hey, man. how's going
[08:48] <smb> cooloney, Alive and complaining. So good. :) How is you?
[08:48] <apw> cooloney, very long, and still on repeat
[08:48] <cooloney> smb: i'm good, my parents is visiting us in Shanghai, so i can eat very good food
[08:49] <jk-> slow-motion replay?
[08:49] <jk-> iiiiiiii dooooooooooooo
[08:49] <smb> cooloney, How about learning to cook. Then everyday is a good food day. ;)
[08:49] <cking> heh
[08:49] <smb> apw, Wasn't the party the thing that was *not* on TV?
[08:50] <cooloney> smb: yeah, i plan to start to learn something from my mom
[08:50] <smb> cooloney, Good plan indeed. :)
[08:54] <cooloney> apw: it should be a very big event in UK,
[09:01] <apw> jk-, exactly ... yawn
[09:02] <apw> smb, heh yeah perhaps, we had a party of our own
[09:02] <apw> cooloney, it was indeed
[11:35] <nags_> I am looking for some info on support for dual-Xeon (each 4 core) server grade machine on ubuntu
[11:35] <nags_> can someone help me on this?
[11:43] <_ruben> nags_: should just work
[11:44] <nags_> _ruben, how do I confirm this?
[11:45] <nags_> _ruben, working is one part....but I am more interested to know if this can make use of the full potential of the HW
[11:45] <nags_> _ruben, because we are spending good amount of money on buying the server
[11:45] <nags_> _ruben, and we are going to use it for our development (Linux and Android build server)
[11:45] <_ruben> nags_: the latter would completely depend on the software you run on it
[11:46] <_ruben> if configured properly, a build server would use all those 8 cores just fine
[11:46] <_ruben> you'll likely need to tell the build scripts/tools/etc to use 'em though
[11:46] <_ruben> like make -j 8
[11:47] <nags_> _ruben, sorry, if this is a dumb question...but when you say configure, do you mean re-compilation of ubuntu?
[11:47] <nags_> _ruben, ok...got it
[11:47] <_ruben> no, ubuntu itself handles it just fine, it's the applications you want to use all cores which need to be told to do so
[11:47] <nags_> _ruben, we always use -j, but inherently is ubutntu using all the cores?
[11:48] <nags_> _ruben, the main problem today is the time it takes to build our Kernel and Android file system
[11:48] <nags_> _ruben, so I have asked for a good server....
[11:48] <nags_> _ruben, at the same time want to make sure that the new server will solve my problem.
[11:48] <_ruben> kernel builds highly benefit from multiple cores and scales to dual quad-core just fine
[11:52] <nags_> _ruben, ok...thanks
[11:52] <nags_> _ruben, is there a official source from where I can get this info? I need to give this proof to the management to get the approval for a server. Hope you understand.
[11:59] <_ruben> smp support in the kernel has been there for ages, which is the most important part of it all
[12:15] <fairuz> indeed.. I tried once with -j4 and -j27..it's a big big big difference
[12:15] <fairuz> in term of compilation time
[12:31] <nags_> fairuz, it might be obvious...but can you elaborate on what you saw with j4 and j27? Sorry, if this is a dumb question.
[12:34] <fairuz> nags_: I might say the output of compiled files is faster on j27.. which is normal because you have 27 files been compiled at once
[12:35] <nags_> fairuz, thanks. But, I believe it has only 8 cores (in the case of quad xeon) and I would expect only -j8 to make a difference and anything more than j8 behave the same?
[12:42] <_ruben> i'd say the disk subsystem plays a fairly important role as well here, so either shove a ton of ram in it to cache a lot, or use really fast disks (ssds or it you want blazing fast: fusion-io)
[12:43] <fairuz> nags_: yea i think if you only has 8 cores, anything more than j8 will behave the same
[12:44] <fairuz> (afaik)
[12:57] <_ruben> that's assuming each job would max out a core, which doesn't have have to be the case, so -j x, with x > 8 could be even faster .. takes a bit of experimenting to find the optimal number
[12:57] <_ruben> some jobs might be disk intensive and hardly touch the cpu
[13:06] <Kano> hi, will todays daily kernel build for 32 bit or not
[13:07] <_ruben> dunno, crystal ball is broken
[13:09] <Kano> for oss driver testing it would be really usefull
[13:42] <bjf> ##
[13:42] <bjf> ## No Kernel team meeting today @ 17:00 UTC
[13:42] <bjf> ##
[13:42] <bjf> :-)
[13:44]  * smb is not getting ready
[13:51] <bjf> apw, at your convenience, can you kick the cve tracker in the nads
[14:05] <bjf> JFo, dude
[14:07] <JFo> yessir?
[14:08] <amitk> JFo: can you give some love to bug 736490? I can test if you like.
[14:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736490 in linux "[natty][p54usb] wifi cannot connect to the ap" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736490
[14:08] <JFo> amitk, looking
[14:18] <apw> bjf again?  wtf
[14:18] <bjf> apw, i think it likes it
[14:19] <apw> bjf have you tried the syntax checker?  i suspect its this:
[14:19] <apw> active/CVE-2011-1182: karmic_linux has unknown state: 'ignore'
[14:19] <apw> make: *** [pkgs] Error 1
[14:19] <apw> make: *** [tables] Error 1
[14:19] <ubot2> apw: ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2011-1182)
[14:20] <amitk> tgardner: do you package compat-wireless? (can't find it for natty) - Re: bug 736490
[14:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 736490 in linux "[natty][p54usb] wifi cannot connect to the ap" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736490
[14:20] <tgardner> amitk, there won't be a compat-wireless until 2.6.39 releases
[14:21] <tgardner> for natty that is
[14:21] <bjf> apw, what do I need to run ?
[14:25] <bjf> apw, what did you run that produced that error?
[14:34] <bjf> apw, i think i want to run "check-syntax" working on getting that to run
[14:42] <JFo> yay! mumble is now working again on my laptop.
[14:42] <JFo> and I have no idea what fixed it
[14:42] <smb> JFo, Did you say something?
[14:43] <JFo> smb, :)
[14:45] <bjf> ogasawara, did you have a lp script for matching duplicates ?
[14:46] <ogasawara> bjf: I think I had a script to mark a set of bugs as a duplicate to another bug
[14:46] <ogasawara> bjf: but not for matching dups
[14:46] <bjf> ogasawara, ok
[14:47]  * JFo still hasn't found it, but I keep getting sidetracked
[14:48] <bjf> JFo, i don't think it exists
[14:51] <JFo> apparently not
[15:01]  * ogasawara back in 20min
[15:34] <apw> bjf sorry was packing for buda
[15:34] <JFo> speaking of which...
[15:34] <JFo> \/me checks on his laundry
[15:38] <bjf> apw, forgot you are part of the special indoctrination session
[15:38] <bjf> maybe is a "re-education camp"
[15:39] <JFo> heh
[16:16] <JFo> tgardner, any thoughts on bug 776438 ?
[16:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 776438 in linux "Kernel error when connecting to WPA/WPA2 Enterprise" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776438
[16:16] <JFo> broadcom out of the box install
[16:21] <tgardner> JFo, I think there is a patch in -proposed or -preproposed that addresses this: 'b43: allocate receive buffers big enough for max frame len + offset'
[16:21] <JFo> cool, I'll ask him to test that
[16:21] <JFo> thanks for looking tgardner
[16:21] <tgardner> JFo, nm, he's got problems with the wl driver
[16:22] <tgardner> so, the b43 patch won't do him much good
[16:22] <JFo> think removing/reinstalling could help or could this be a hardware problem
[16:22] <JFo> ?
[16:23] <JFo> like maybe something was just mis-configured on install?
[16:23] <tgardner> JFo, hard to say since wl is a binary blob.
[16:23] <JFo> true
[16:25] <JFo> tgardner, I am not seeing any similar issues, so this looks isolated to this user
[16:25] <JFo> well, not any recent ones at least
[16:26] <tgardner> JFo, possibly. I'm still trying to figure out who owns the package
[16:26] <JFo> ok
[16:29] <tgardner> JFo, alright, this is the staging driver brcm80211 in 2.6.38, not the binary blob. I'm not seeing any stable updates, but it might not hurt to have him try -preproposed.
[16:29] <JFo> ok, will do
[16:33] <JFo> he will test that and get back to me. Thanks tgardner
[16:34] <tgardner> JFo, ack
[16:40] <Sarvatt> hallyn: I just saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SergeHallyn_ppakernels -- great guide! one thing though, you can pass -i -I to debuild instead of moving .git out of the way to ignore it in the build package
[16:46] <hallyn> Sarvatt: that's awesome, thanks.  I'll add that to the page.
[16:46] <hallyn> Sarvatt: I ahven't done it yet, but I keep expecting to forget to move .git back :)
[16:46] <tgardner> Sarvatt, something like dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot -I.bzr -I.git -I.gitignore -i"\.git.*"
[16:46] <Sarvatt> -i -I removes all vcs files, no need to specify specific types anymore
[16:47] <tgardner> Sarvatt, its backwards compatible to Hardy environments
[16:47] <Sarvatt> ahh gotcha
[16:49] <hallyn> tgardner: meaning '-i -I' will not work on hardy?
[16:49] <tgardner> hallyn, I'd have to back and read the man page again to remember why. this has evolved a bit over 4 years
[16:50] <JFo> tgardner, preproposed solved him it seems
[16:51] <hallyn> tgardner: thanks
[16:51] <tgardner> JFo, whoa, that was fast
[16:51] <JFo> yeah, he enabled, tested and got back to me
[16:53] <bjf> JFo, enabled how? that kind of implies "proposed" to me
[16:53] <JFo> well, enabled/grabbed the driver
[16:53] <JFo> sorry for confusion
[16:54] <JFo> as he didn't 'enable' anything
[16:54] <bjf> JFo, ah, do we know what exactly he did? did he download and install the pre-proposed kernel?
[16:54] <JFo> one sec...
[16:55] <bjf> JFo, that would tell me that the fix is in the upstream stable commits which are on the master-next branch of natty and not what is currently in -proposed
[16:56] <tgardner> bjf, which is why I suggested pre-proposed. there are a pile of stable updates in the queue
[16:56] <JFo> ok, I'll get clarification
[16:56] <bjf> tgardner, ack, i'd just like to know which batch it was in, what's on master-next isn't going to hit -proposed for 3 weeks
[16:57] <tgardner> bjf, might be this one: mac80211: initialize sta->last_rx in sta_info_alloc
[16:57] <tgardner> thats what the bitching in his log was about
[17:01] <bjf> tgardner, i wish we had our shit more together, such that we could quickly take that and turn it into a quick script that could look for the same issue in bugs and suggest the same action
[17:01] <JFo> tgardner, looks like it did not solve him in-fact.
[17:01] <bjf> tgardner, but we'll get there
[17:01] <bjf> dang
[17:01] <JFo> bjf, it was the pre-proposed kernel
[17:01] <JFo> he says it is diminished but still happens
[17:01] <bjf> JFo, good to know, that was the right one for him to try
[17:02] <JFo> so he is looking at http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10729117&postcount=135
[17:02] <JFo> dunno what the difference is between that and pre-proposed
[17:02] <tgardner> JFo, see if Henry Ptasinski<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has an LP account and assign the bug to him :)
[17:02] <JFo> heh
[17:03] <tgardner> JFo, oh, I forgot about the firmware update
[17:04] <tgardner> JFo, it needs to be linux-firmware 1.52 at least
[17:04] <JFo> ok
[17:04] <JFo> tgardner, think this is him? :-) https://edge.launchpad.net/~hptasins
[17:05] <tgardner> JFo, yeah, I think so
[17:05] <JFo> want me to assign it to him?
[17:05] <JFo> for realz? :-)
[17:05] <tgardner> JFo, 1.52 is the relased version in Natty, so thats OK
[17:05] <JFo> ok
[17:05] <tgardner> JFo, yep, tell him I said so :)
[17:06] <JFo> will do :-)
[17:07] <JFo> done
[17:07] <JFo> :-)
[17:08] <JFo> it is bug 776438 in case you are interested :)
[17:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 776438 in linux "Kernel error when connecting to WPA/WPA2 Enterprise" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/776438
[17:08] <JFo> or I may have told you that
[17:51] <kees> bjf: hi! I saw your email; I'm about to get on a flight, but I'll reply as soon as I can. :)
[17:51] <bjf> kees, ack
[17:52] <bjf> kees, it's not holding me up, apw is just tired of dealing with my stupidity
[17:52] <apw> bjf :)
[18:04] <ove> After an upgrading to Natty on my ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 based computer there is a 150 sec pause in the boot sequence. The computer ran Maverick without problem before the upgrade. I think I have isolated the problem to the ACPI support, since disabling ACPI in the BIOS removes the pause (upgrading to the lastest BIOS did not solve it). I have also seen other users (in forums) with similar motherboards from ASUS with the same problem. How do I
[18:13] <bjf> ove, we didn't get your entire question, try adding a new line here or there, also, the first place to start is with filing a bug
[18:14] <ove> After an upgrading to Natty on my ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 based computer there is a150 sec pause in the boot sequence. The computer ran Maverick without problem before the upgrade. I think I have isolated the problem to the ACPI support, since disabling ACPI in the BIOS removes the pause (upgrading to the lastest BIOS did not solve it). I have also seen other users (in forums) with similar motherboards from ASUS with the same problem. How do I r
[18:14] <bjf> ove, that didn't help
[18:15] <ove> Sorry for the repeated text ... pressed the wrong button.
[18:15] <ove> After an upgrading to Natty on my ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 based computer there is a150 sec pause in the boot sequence.
[18:15] <ove> The computer ran Maverick without problem before the upgrade.
[18:15] <ove> I think I have isolated the problem to the ACPI support, since disabling ACPI in the BIOS removes the pause (upgrading to the lastest BIOS did not solve it).
[18:15] <ove> I have also seen other users (in forums) with similar motherboards from ASUS with the same problem. How do I report this bug properly?
[18:15] <ove> (Hope that's better)
[18:16] <bjf> ove, start here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[18:17] <ove> Thanks! I'll try that! Should I say "kernel" as the package?
[18:18] <bjf> ove, no, that link will get it filed against the correct package 'linux'
[18:18] <ove> OK! I realise that now. Thanks again!
[18:23] <ove> Would "ubuntu-bug linux", as mentioned on the web page, be a better choice ... since it collects a lot of information?
[18:24] <bjf> ove, yes, that would be better
[18:24] <ove> OK, I'll do that. Thanks again!
[18:55] <JFo> wow, no wonder I am hungry...
[18:55] <JFo> -grabbing lunch
[19:06]  * tgardner --> lunch
[19:57]  * jjohansen -> lunch
[20:02]  * cking --> exit


[02:39] <jorge_> please help
[02:40] <jorge_> how do i know if my video is working right?
[02:42] <jorge_> anyone??
[02:42] <jorge_> please!
[02:44] <jorge_> how do i know if my video is working right?
[02:53] <anom01y> jorg
[04:28] <tarani> hello, everyone
[04:28] <tarani> i need some help...
[04:28] <tarani> i just installed xubuntu and i cannot access root
[04:31] <tarani> kk nvm, i found a solution
[08:06] <Techie> i need help spoofing a headless server into thinking theres a screen attatched
[08:09] <TheSheep> what for?
[08:10] <Techie> x11vnc
[08:10] <Techie> im running a server in xubuntu 9.04 with x11vnc set to load at logon
[08:10] <Techie> with an autologon
[08:11] <Techie> this allows me to bypass all the trouble of setting up correct authorities for a new X session for aq vnc
[08:11] <Techie> a*
[08:11] <Techie> but X wont start without a screen attatched
[08:12] <Techie> and please dont go on about running a display on a server, i usually dont
[08:14] <TheSheep> can't you just ssh -XY to your server and run X apps from there, using your local X for display?
[08:15] <Techie> yes and no
[08:15] <Techie> i could, but i could be accessing it from any OS
[08:16] <Techie> and the other thing is that ive never been able to get X11 forwarding working
[08:18] <Techie> do you know if X has an IRC channel anywhere?
[08:26] <_Pete_> Techie: X by default has that feature disabled now adays
[08:26] <_Pete_> so you have to drop privileges to it work
[08:26] <_Pete_> but as TheSheep said ssh is safer/better way
[08:27] <Techie> im not exactly looking for safe
[08:28] <Techie> its a box running @ my school and tbh theres only a handful of people there that would even know what a VNC connection is
[08:29] <_Pete_> if it's on public network
[08:29] <_Pete_> handful is enough
[08:29] <Techie> let me rephrase that
[08:29] <Techie> the only people that would know what a VNC connection is, are my mates
[08:30] <_Pete_> Techie: hmm?
[08:30] <_Pete_> is the machine only accesible from local network, not from internet?
[08:30] <Techie> yep
[08:30] <_Pete_> which one?
[08:31] <Techie> local
[08:31] <jim_p> hello people!
[08:31] <Techie> plus admin would throw a shit if he caught me setting it up for external access
[08:32] <_Pete_> Techie: try freenx
[08:32] <Techie> i tried that
[08:32] <Techie> could never get ti working though
[08:32] <jim_p> i need some help with xfce 4.6 "management". a) how can i edit the main menu? i want to remove some useless entries like conky
[08:33] <_Pete_> Techie: it didnt work ?
[08:33] <Techie> i wouldnt mind using the windows RDP protocol as that allows you to run apps with sound, but i cant find a server for it
[08:33] <Techie> nope, it didnt work
[08:33] <Techie> well, it did work... but not as it was supposed to
[08:33] <_Pete_> ok, what do you suppose from that then ?
[08:34] <Techie> that i didnt have it configured right, but i didnt have the time to sit there for days to figure out what was wrong
[08:35] <_Pete_> Techie: hmm, I have only tested it so that remote has X/desktop installed
[08:35] <_Pete_> and works well even remote has no X
[08:35] <TheSheep> jim_p: you copy apropriate file from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications and edit it with a text editor
[08:36] <jim_p> TheSheep: give me a sec to have a look
[08:36] <TheSheep> jim_p: to hide an entry, add 'hide=True' to it
[08:36] <TheSheep> or was it hidden=True? can't rememeber
[08:36] <Techie> know of any really good simple guides to setting up X forwarding
[08:37] <jim_p> TheSheep: /usr/share/applications is a folder! and i dont want to hide an app, i want to hide a submenu altogether (20+ apps)
[08:41] <TheSheep> the submenu hides when all apps in it are hidden
[08:42] <jim_p> yea but i cant set 20+ apps to hidden!
[08:45] <TheSheep> what's stopping you?
[08:45] <TheSheep> by the way, if you want to remove those applications, use synaptic to uninstall them
[08:49] <jim_p> TheSheep: i dont want to remove conky for instance! i just dont want it in my menus
[09:12] <Techie> _Pete_, how can i enable X forwarding in X?
[09:13] <_Pete_> Techie: dont know
[09:13] <_Pete_> seek from man X
[09:13] <_Pete_> anyway it's very unwise to do
[09:13] <_Pete_> even on localnetwork
[09:14] <Techie> aye aye aye, i hate man pages
[09:14] <_Pete_> I too
[09:14] <Techie> why is it unwise to do?
[09:14] <Techie> all traffic is encrypted inside SSH2
[09:15] <_Pete_> have been thinking there must be a course how to write those in a manner nobody will understand
[09:15] <Techie> more than a course, i reckon they genetically enchance people to be able to do it
[09:15] <_Pete_> ;D
[09:16] <_Pete_> Techie: if that's your case
[09:16] <_Pete_> ..
[09:16] <_Pete_> what exactly is yourcase ?
[09:16] <Techie> my case is getting some form of graphical output from my server box at school
[09:16] <Techie> mainly for selecting music to stream
[09:17] <Techie> and sharing videos
[09:17] <_Pete_> and why do you need gfx for that in first place ?
[09:17] <Techie> because it makes searching a mp3 library much easier
[09:17] <_Pete_> how so?
[09:18] <Techie> you ever tried searching through 8 gig of mp3 files when theyre not all named correctly
[09:18] <_Pete_> yes
[09:18] <Techie> done it in a CLI?
[09:18] <_Pete_> yes
[09:18] <Techie> how so?
[09:18] <_Pete_> petria@quadcore:~/pub/Muzik$ du -h
[09:19] <_Pete_> 230G
[09:19] <Techie> nice collection
[09:19] <_Pete_> usually
[09:19] <_Pete_> find somethng | grep other
[09:19] <_Pete_> does the trick
[09:20] <Techie> if i didnt have to check id3 tags then grep would do fine on its own
[09:20] <_Pete_> I guess there's cli tool to get those also
[09:20] <_Pete_> and so include in cli search
[09:21] <Techie> mwah ha ha there so kick in the bad thing about my school
[09:21] <Techie> they run an ISA internet proxy which i dont have the password to
[09:22] <Techie> so im unable to retrieve files from aptitude or install dependencies easily
[09:23] <_Pete_> where is your school ?
[09:23] <Techie> new zealand
[09:24] <_Pete_> hmm
[09:24] <_Pete_> you know usual things to get around that ?
[09:24] <Techie> yes and no
[09:24] <Techie> i could tunnel through it
[09:24] <_Pete_> ssh is good :)
[09:24] <Techie> yeah
[09:24] <Techie> one problem
[09:25] <Techie> it wont allow anything onther than http or https packets through
[09:25] <_Pete_> your school proxy/firewall ?
[09:25] <Techie> bit of both
[09:25] <_Pete_> right
[09:25] <Techie> it acts as a socks proxy
[09:25] <_Pete_> but still ssh works ?
[09:25] <Techie> nope
[09:26] <Techie> but it also stops any non http traffic, incoming and outgoing
[09:26] <_Pete_> well if you are hackis enough
[09:26] <Techie> i could tunnel ssh through http past it, but i dont know the password and have yet to find a client that will use the settings from internet exploder
[09:27] <_Pete_> yes
[09:27] <_Pete_> If I were you would change school
[09:27] <Techie> not an option
[09:27] <_Pete_> much easier than hakcking
[09:27] <Techie> its my last year
[09:27] <Techie> pfff
[09:27] <Techie> hacking windows boxes and networks is easy
[09:28] <_Pete_> and pointless
[09:28] <Techie> yep
[09:28] <Techie> i have the administrator password, and have had it for years
[09:28] <_Pete_> how can you irc then ?
[09:28] <Techie> its almost useless though
[09:28] <Techie> im not at school
[09:28] <Techie> its 8:28 PM
[09:28] <_Pete_> right
[09:28] <Techie> +12 hours GMT
[09:29] <_Pete_> does it give any help if I let you account on here ?
[09:29] <Techie> nope
[09:29] <Techie> i have many boxes that i can access
[09:29] <Techie> i have 2 in australia
[09:29] <Techie> one in the US i think
[09:30] <Techie> and hopefully one locally soon
[09:30] <Techie> once my mate configures his router again
[09:48] <Techie> man, im gettign such a slow connection
[10:03] <Techie_> well that was a success and a failure
[11:06] <ubuntu> hello
[11:07] <ubuntu> i'm installing xubuntu-9.04-desktop-amd64.iso and got this error at 94%: "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error."
[11:07] <ubuntu> any idea how to fix this?
[11:08] <ubuntu> i've tried like 6 times and keep getting the same error
[13:04] <jiohdi> I have three programs that appear on start up, how do I keep that from happening?
[13:07] <TheSheep> system->autostarted applications
[13:07] <TheSheep> or was that in settings?
[13:08] <jiohdi> its not in autostart
[13:09] <jiohdi> and I dont find any other settings that would have it
[13:09] <TheSheep> maybe you saved them with session when you logged out last time?
[13:13] <jiohdi> they would have to have been saved a long time ago, every log out since has not had them running
[13:13] <jiohdi> but if I did save them somehow, how do I unsave them?
[13:15] <TheSheep> jiohdi: you can delete the files in ~/.cache/session
[13:18] <jiohdi> TheSheep, ok, rebooting to see if it works
[13:24] <thejayjetson> unable to play YouTube videos-tried many things-can anyone help?
[13:25] <Sysi> xubuntu-restricted-extras installed?
[13:25] <thejayjetson> yes
[13:26] <thejayjetson> Running Xubuntu 9.04 on PS3
[13:26] <thejayjetson> would you like to see the command(s) I was given and the result from the terminal most recently?
[13:27] <Sysi> dunno, that ps3 is rather special, at lest to me
[13:27] <knome> thejayjetson, still no luck at #ubuntu-ps3 ?
[13:27] <thejayjetson> never any luck-i can't believe someone if even on this line
[13:28] <thejayjetson> I really wish I would have never installed Xubuntu cause now I feel I have to made it work when I should just really forget about it
[13:29] <marcPV> hi there
[13:30] <knome> !hi | marcPV
[13:30] <marcPV> thanks! I want to know how to unable the click on the pad (sorry for my english)
[13:31] <thejayjetson> did you try taking the batteries out?
[13:33] <marcPV> I mean the touchpad, I only want it to move cursor, not to do click
[13:33] <marcPV> I want to do click only with buttons
[13:33] <Sysi> settings -> mouse?
[13:34] <Sysi> hmm, seems not
[13:34] <SiDi> !shmconfig
[13:34] <SiDi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[13:34] <marcPV> what is shmconfig?
[13:35] <marcPV> let me check that page, anyway I am a rookie on xubuntu so
[13:35] <marcPV> i hope its not difficult
[13:36] <SiDi> Its not
[13:37] <SiDi> You have to enable SHMConfig (see above), then you can use touchfreeze to disable the touchpad click while typing, and gsynaptics to configure your touchpad
[13:39] <marcPV> ok, thanks very much, I will try to enable that...
[13:40] <SiDi> let me know if anything goes wrong ;
[13:43] <marcPV> i see there are instructions for gnome and kde here, but not for xfce... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig
[13:45] <marcPV> (I also use Ubuntu on other laptop, and it's easy to enable touchpad clicks... sad)
[13:45] <Sysi> gnome is easy and xfce is light
[13:46] <Sysi> not big differences nowdays, but slihtly
[13:47] <marcPV> anyway, I may say that xfce works fine... in fact, it works on this 256mb laptop and gnome just don't
[13:48] <Sysi> i've had exatly same
[13:49] <Sysi> but i like xfce so much that i have it on with 2gb ram too
[13:49] <marcPV> Wow, it may fly
[13:49] <Sysi> pretty much
[13:49] <knome> i have 4GB of ram and xubuntu.
[13:50] <Sysi> but i think it's simple and easy to configure etc.
[13:50] <knome> after about 1GB, you don't really notice the speed difference between gnome and xfce, if you don't run lots of stuff
[13:50] <marcPV> i fact, i think xcfe works better on wireless network
[13:51] <Sysi> gnome is bugsy for me
[13:52] <marcPV> by the way, any idea of what line i have to type here for xubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig
[13:54] <marcPV> it's not really important but I hate to do accidental clicks on the touchpad
[13:59] <SiDi> knome: xfce is snappier !
[14:00] <SiDi> marcPV: things that work for ubuntu work for xubuntu too
[14:00] <knome> meh
[14:00]  * knome opens the next bottle
[14:00] <SiDi> gksudo mousepad /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi
[14:01] <marcPV> ok, the gnome line then, thanks SiDi! Let me try...
[14:01] <marcPV> ;)
[14:04] <marcPV> sorry, nothing happens when i type that in a terminal. It ask me for permission, then nothing.
[14:05] <SiDi> you dont have gedit, i suppose :)
[14:05] <SiDi> try the line there
[14:05] <SiDi> gksudo mousepad /etc/hal/fdi/policy/shmconfig.fdi
[14:05] <SiDi> gksudo is for executing an application with the administrator rights
[14:05] <SiDi> gedit / kate / mousepad are text editors
[14:05] <marcPV> oh, ok, thanks
[14:05] <SiDi>  /etc/hal/.... is the path to the file to edit
[14:06] <marcPV> ok, learning... mousepad works
[14:06] <marcPV> ;)
[14:07] <SiDi> So here, you're asked to add some text to a configuration file that will tell X.org (the graphical server that launches the graphics and mouse drivers and that is used on Linux) to launch the Synaptics drivers for your touchpad
[14:07] <SiDi> then utilities like gsynaptics can be used to edit the properties of your touchpad, now that the drivers are enabled
[14:07] <SiDi> And i need a coffee.
[14:08] <marcPV> lol, ok, go get that coffee
[14:08] <knome> coffee? neh
[14:09] <marcPV> I have to restart now, I'll be back... I mean, if my laptop don't crash
[14:09] <SiDi> its too late for coffee, i need to go soon
[14:10] <Sysi> it's fun here where are people from so different places
[14:11] <marcPV> thanks a lot, by the way
[14:11] <SiDi> Many finnish people ! *points at knome*
[14:11]  * knome hides behind his beer mug
[14:11]  * SiDi wants a beer too
[14:11] <SiDi> Why do you ALWAYS have beer with you ? T_T
[14:11] <knome> get one then
[14:12] <knome> well i just went to buy some :P
[14:12] <knome> rochefort 8, a trappist
[14:31] <marcPV> hi again
[14:32] <marcPV> I installed gsynaptics but now i can't find it... weird
[14:33] <marcPV> any idea?
[14:33] <Sysi> run on terminal
[14:34] <marcPV> how?
[14:35] <Sysi> write gsynaptics and press enter
[14:35] <Sysi> or use alt + f2
[14:36] <marcPV> ok, thanks, but it's weird isn't it?
[14:36] <Sysi> maybe not
[14:37] <marcPV> ok, great! At last! I disable the touchpad click, I'm happy now! ;)
[15:09] <Sysi> does .xmodmap work in current xfce?
[15:11] <Sysi> i wonder if it's problem of fedora or xfce
[15:14] <Sysi> ah, in fedora it need to be in other folder
[16:34] <Speckal> i want to use the latest package for 9.04 that is discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure how to go about getting it (the "right" way). help please :)    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/277556
[16:37] <miguelonnnn> hiiiiii
[16:37] <miguelonnnn> please i got a problem with ethrnet, i can't connect
[16:37] <miguelonnnn> i plug the ethernet cable and set network connections to dhcp automtic but it doesn't configure
 hmph, you can try fire up the terminal. "sudo dhclient eth0"
[17:03] <Speckal> how do I see the list of packages a specific source provides?
[17:03] <cody-somerville> look on packages.ubuntu.com
[17:47] <Speckal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/277556    how can I get the updated open-vm-tools package that was mentioned in this thread?
[17:59] <likemindead> Is there a PPA?
[17:59] <likemindead> That's how I usually get the most recent packages of something I really like.
[18:02] <Speckal> yes there is
[18:03] <Speckal> the address (I believe) is http://ppa.launchpad.net/grexk/ubuntu-dev/ubuntu
[18:03] <Speckal> i have added that to my sources, both deb and deb-src
[18:04] <Speckal> the package lists come back empty.  cat /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_grexk_ubuntu-dev_ubuntu_dists_jaunty_main_binary-i386_Packages is zero bytes
[18:04] <Speckal> same with main_source_Sources
[18:05] <Speckal> apt-get does report a "Hit" on ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release, jaunty/main Packages, and jaunty/main Sources
[18:05] <Speckal> i'm stumped :/
[18:07] <likemindead> Was there a public key? If so, did you authenticate?
[18:08] <Speckal> yes I did
[18:08] <likemindead> Strange.
[18:08] <likemindead> Maybe their server is down. :-\
[18:09] <Speckal> i'm browsing the server via http right now
[18:11] <Speckal> ....
[18:11] <Speckal> damn
[18:11] <Speckal> the package files on the server are actually empty
[18:11] <Speckal> well that answers that :/
[18:12] <tarani> what're you working on speckal?
[18:12] <likemindead> "<Speckal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/277556    how can I get the updated open-vm-tools package that was mentioned in this thread?"
[18:12] <Speckal> ya
[18:13] <Speckal> getting an updated (patched) version of open-vm-tools from a PPA. according to a launchpad thread, it is supposed to resolve build errors on jaunty and fix a few other things
[18:13] <likemindead> But the files are M.I.A. :(
[18:13] <tarani> :/
[19:14] <plazmacrow> is there any way to enable an 60sec shutdown timer on the logoff screen of xfce (like gnome/kde)?
[19:15] <knome> plazmacrow, xfce uses gdm as does gnome
[19:18] <plazmacrow> knome, I am using slim at the moment, make this the difference?
[19:18] <knome> plazmacrow, yep.
[19:19] <plazmacrow> Okay, than I will try switching back to gdm
[19:39] <plazmacrow> okay, gdm is running now - but the 60sec countdown does'nt appear. any ideas?
[19:40] <knome> plazmacrow, try running 'gdmsetup' and checking your settings
[19:50] <plazmacrow> I can't find any option to enable the countdown. I unfortunately have a very low screen resolution and so some parts of the dialog where cut off.
[20:12] <likemindead> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t771WaoJNVw
[20:12] <likemindead> ...wrong window. Sorry.
[20:35] <miguelonnnnn> hi sry
[20:35] <miguelonnnnn> i was out
[20:36] <miguelonnnnn> and couldn't answer, finally i fifty fifity have the usb modem installed
[20:38] <miguelonnnnn> is there anybody here now? I got one new question, i made my usb installer dumping the xubuntu lived to it and messing a little with syslinux. Now i can install and boot live off usb, but i'm curious if (given that cd's can't self write on themselves) booting live my usb will let me save files into it, and if i save those files, when installing from that usb will i get a clean copy or with those files on it
[20:39] <likemindead> It is possible to have a recursive Live USB. Try the Pendrive Linux folks.
[20:39] <likemindead> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/
[20:39] <likemindead> Lots there.
[20:40] <likemindead> A "persistent install" is what you're wanting.
[20:41] <miguelonnnnn> what you mean bout recursive likemindead ?
[20:41] <likemindead> Persistent.
[20:42] <miguelonnnnn> ahh nice i kind of get what you mean, persisten in the sense that "what you get, remains there after shutdown" right?
[20:42] <likemindead> Right.
[20:42] <miguelonnnnn> so this one isn't persistent?
[20:42] <miguelonnnnn> what i did is mounting the xubuntu iso cd, dump it to the usb formatted as fat32, then mess a littlle with syslinux to make it bootable, and that's all i did
[20:42] <likemindead> No. You have to make it that way.
[20:43] <likemindead> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-linux-mint-7-flash-drive-creation-windows/\
[20:43] <likemindead> Err...
[20:43] <likemindead> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/usb-linux-mint-7-flash-drive-creation-windows/
[20:43] <likemindead> There. Example.
[20:43] <miguelonnnnn> ok. Would it be really hard to say what's the difference? cause i like to learn how linux works, and it'd be great if i know how to change this from my actual usb copy to make it persistent
[20:44] <likemindead> Over my head. I'm mostly a n00b. ;)
[20:44] <miguelonnnnn> haha ok me too :P
[20:45] <miguelonnnnn> well, thanks likemindead , now i'm having dinner (i'm spanish here it's 22.00). See you soon and many thanks bye
[21:21] <tarani> can anyone direct me to a good website to help with the linux learning curve?
[21:21] <tarani> particularly software development