[02:13] <sinasaa> hi there, I'm trying to use the OpenStack Octavia charm (https://jaas.ai/octavia/32) to deploy Octavia to an existing juju managed cluster. Unfortunately, the cluster was deployed without any "network spaces" at all and so the deployment gets stuck at "octavia/0                             blocked      executing  0/lxd/9   <IP_ADDRESS>   9876/tcp                    'shared-db' incomplete, 'amqp'
[02:13] <sinasaa> incomplete, 'identity-service' missing, 'sdn-subordinate' missing, Awaiting leader to create required resources
[02:14] <sinasaa> which I think is like this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-octavia/+bug/1820365 ...but I can't set the binding as `"": alpha` or `"": undefined` to make it work :(
[02:14] <mup> Bug #1820365: Charm holds in "waiting" state, "'shared-db' incomplete"  <bionic> <lbaasv2> <openstack> <rocky> <mysql-shared charm interface:Expired> <OpenStack Octavia Charm:Expired> <OpenStack API Layer:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1820365>
[02:15] <sinasaa> any tips on how I can deploy this charm in a model without any network spaces? ... jamespage any chance you've got any thoughts as I saw you commenting on that bug report?
[02:17] <sinasaa> when I run `juju export-bundle` normally I can't see any bindings, but if I add `"":undefined` as a binding for the Octavia charm then the bindings appear in `juju export-bundle` for other charms as `"": alpha` even though the subnets are technically not in any network space (e.g `juju subnets` shows undefined not alpha)
[09:36] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa_: Forward merge - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12668
[10:32] <manadart> stickupkid, achilleasa_: Another small one - https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12669
[10:35] <manadart> Actually that needs a change to the sorting.
[10:41] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, updated my bundlechanges code
[10:44] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, nice, much better, I'll do that
[12:33] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/12658
[16:15] <stickupkid> achilleasa_, updated 12658
[16:34] <achilleasa_> stickupkid: LGTM; still need to run the QA steps though
[16:34] <stickupkid> sure sure
[17:33] <juanoterocas> hi all, juju documentation shows Manual cloud as space supported, but instead i'm getting : cannot list spaces: spaces not supported (not supported)
[17:33] <juanoterocas> ERROR cannot list spaces: spaces not supported (not supported)
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[00:17] <eolo999> hi how do i change memory allocated to a vm? i tried virsh setmaxmem/setmem but i get this error: this function is not supported by the hypervisor: virDomainSetMaxMemory
[00:29] <blackorga> eolo999, what virtualization technology are u using?kvm?
[00:30] <eolo999> kvm (sorry forgot)
[00:30] <eolo999> blackorga: kvm with qemu hypervisor
[00:30] <xenocampanoli> How do I make at use "bash" instead of "sh"?
[00:31] <xenocampanoli> It appears to do this by default on CentOS...?
[00:31] <blackorga> eolo999, ok....i thought u use xen...
[00:32] <eolo999> blackorga: i tried "virsh -c qemu:///system setmaxmem guestname 512000" and that result in the error mentioned before
[00:33] <eolo999> blackorga: and "virsh -c qemu:///system setmem guestname 512000" results in "Invalid value of 512000 for memory size
[00:33] <eolo999> "
[00:33] <blackorga> can u go inside the virsh shel....
[00:33] <blackorga> type "virsh"
[00:34] <blackorga> after that run "setmem guestname 512000"
[00:39] <xenocampanoli> How do I make at use "bash" instead of "sh"?
[00:40] <xenocampanoli> How do I make 'at' use "bash" instead of "sh"?
[00:43] <jmarsden|work> xenocampanoli: Put the commands into a bash shell script that starts with a line #!/bin/bash and tell at to execute that
[00:50] <xenocampanoli> Will it work if I just set SHELL=/bin/bash?
[00:50] <xenocampanoli> mmarsden|work: Will it work if I just set SHELL=/bin/bash?
[00:51] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work: Will it work if I just set SHELL=/bin/bash?
[00:51] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work: It seems to, but I'm not sure that my test is correctly evidential.
[00:52] <jmarsden|work> I have no idea... try some code that uses bash arrays, maybe... sh won't work on those, for sure :)
[00:53] <jmarsden|work> at is specified to use sh, so I'd avoid trying to play games with it and put bash code in a bash script... seems simpler and safer
[00:54] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  Okay, thank you.
[00:54] <eolo999> blackorga: sorry i just seen the answer... go and try..
[00:54] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  at works by default using bash on CentOS.  Why would they force it to use sh on Ubuntu?
[00:55] <jmarsden|work> xenocampanoli: Read the man page... most likely on Centos sh is a link to bash?
[00:55] <eolo999> blackorga: error: Invalid value of 512000 for memory size
[00:55] <eolo999> i created the machine with 256MB...
[00:56] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  That would be a good solution for me.  Is there any problem with just doing that, or would it be better to use som apt-get package to set it?
[00:57] <jmarsden|work> xenocampanoli: I'd not mess with changing sh into bash unless you are extremely sure it won't have other side-effects.
[00:57] <jmarsden|work> Just because Centos does something does not make that the POSIX-ly correct thing to do.
[00:59] <xenocampanoli> xenocampanoli:  Yes, but POSIX-ly is not always helpful, and with the degenerate influence by know-nothings in the U.S.A. crony-capitalist system of numbskullians, I find it hard right now to trust anything that is an alleged standard.
[01:00] <jmarsden|work> OK... in that case, feel free to do whatever you want to your own servers, making them as non-standard as you wish -- just remembner it is you who must then support the results :)
[01:12] <eolo999> blackorga: i found a way
[01:13] <eolo999> Edit /etc/libvirt/qemu/machine-name.xml and then virsh define /etc/libvirt/qemu/machine-name.xml
[01:14] <eolo999> the you reboot the machine and... done!
[01:27] <xenocampanoli> Nope, I cannot just assign SHELL.  That doesn't do it.  I really need to run at with Bash.  Is there no way to configure that?
[01:27] <jmarsden|work> Not that I can see from reading the man page.
[01:28] <xenocampanoli> I would think there would be a configuration in debian/ubuntu to just run stuff from bash.  After all, they used to do that.  Shoudl be a .deb file.
[01:28] <jmarsden|work> Just throw your code into a script with #!/bin/bash at the front... why will this not work for you?
[01:28] <xenocampanoli> It doesn't work.  I tried that and it still runs sh.
[01:28] <jmarsden|work> Then you did something wrong.  I'll test here...
[01:28] <xenocampanoli> I tried the array thing you suggested and that proves it.
[01:29] <xenocampanoli> when I put an array assignment in there, it fails.
[01:31] <xenocampanoli> Perhaps I'll need to go through a regimen of making my top bash script a dash script.  I wish there was a pointer sheet for it.
[01:31] <xenocampanoli> Looks like the main thing is I cannot use export x=y anymore.
[01:31] <xenocampanoli> Other than that, my top script is pretty simple.
[01:32] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  Did you verify what I'm seeing?
[01:37] <jmarsden|work> xenocampanoli: No.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/100712/  works fine for me.
[01:37] <xenocampanoli> Okay, thank you.  I'll take a look now.
[01:43] <xenocampanoli> I think if you look at this test you may conclude yours was faulty, and that I am right:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/100716/
[01:44] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work: I think if you look at this test you may conclude yours was faulty, and that I am right:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/100716/
[01:44] <jmarsden|work> That's my paste... where is yours??
[01:44] <jmarsden|work> Oh, wait...
[01:46] <jmarsden|work> Ummm.  You need to give a complete example... there is no at command anywhere in there?
[01:47] <xenocampanoli> at -f tst.bash now
[01:47] <xenocampanoli> where tst.bash has that content.
[01:47] <jmarsden|work> No, you totally missed the whole idea!
[01:48] <xenocampanoli> That may be good.  At any rate, the script I gave won't run with at.
[01:48] <jmarsden|work> If tst.bash contains bash code, then you do echo "`pwd`/tst.bash" >shtst.sh and then you  at -f `pwd`/shtst.sh now
[01:49] <jmarsden|work> In other words, you wrap your bash code in a bash script, then run a sh script that runs the bash script.
[01:49] <jmarsden|work> Your example does not do that at all?
[01:50] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  Yes, so you're still recommending the wrapper.  I have to agree that is the cheapest and clearest solution I can think of also.  Ugly, but relatively painless, and the only thing I could possibly afford to finish tonight before going home with all these things.
[01:51] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  ?
[01:52] <jmarsden|work> Yes; it works, it is trivial, and it will work on any Unixlike OS that has a /bin/bash, so it will work on FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc and I would expect also on Solaris... it's a simple and pretty portable solution...
[01:53] <xenocampanoli> jmarsden|work:  That is what I'll do then.  Thank you for spending the time helping me with this.  I really appreciate it.  I'm on facebook.  Perhaps if you're in Belltown some time you could contact me to meet at CJs.
[01:54] <xenocampanoli> For now, I need a break...
[01:54] <jmarsden|work> OK.  No problem.  BTW you could do something like for i in *.sh ; do mv $i `basename .sh`.bash ; echo $i >$i ; chmod +x $i ;done to create abazillion wrappers for all your scripts quickly...
[01:55] <jmarsden|work> As long as they all have #!/bin/bash at the top to begin with, of course :)
[01:56] <jmarsden|work> If not you can do another oneliner to add it to them all, first...  anyway... have fun :)
[03:18] <Xperiment62> is there anyway i can have a usb mass storage device mount to /home/user/www/
[03:19] <Xperiment62> automount*
[03:25] <Xperiment62> as i need to be able to have fat32 and ntfs drives auto mount for easy updating of files
[03:40] <Tim__Reichhart> hi guys could anybody tell me the requirements for running your own DNS server
[03:41] <sloopy> Tim__Reichhart, a spare amchine?
[03:42] <Tim__Reichhart> yea I got couple of them
[03:45] <sloopy> Tim__Reichhart, what are you trying to accomplish? a router set up, or just a local dns server?
[03:46] <Tim__Reichhart> i have 4 websites and I would like to get its own dns
[03:46] <Tim__Reichhart> and i already have a server
[03:48] <sloopy> ahh more advanced then i am familiar, i am more knowledgeable in router/ localnet type dns server...
[03:49] <sloopy> may want to ask in #bind (IIRC)
[04:27] <Shoopuf> Nikto versus Snort?
[04:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #314267 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.0.67-0ubuntu6 failed to install/upgrade: sub-processo post-installation script retornou estado de sa?da de erro 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314267
[05:01] <Xperiment62> is it possible to have ubuntu 8.10 server automount removable drives into a set folder?
[05:06] <Bangers> What is required to get ubuntu-vm-builder to spit out an image that can be started in VMWare ESX?
[05:06] <Bangers> $VMBUILD vmserver hardy
[05:06] <Bangers> doesn't work
[05:06] <Bangers> But it does work in VMWare Player/Server
[05:19] <Shoopuf> What's better, Snort or Nikto?
[05:38] <altf2o> they don't seem to be directly comparable. Snort is a well known "IDS" (Intrusion Detection System) while Nikto appears to be a "Web Server Scanning Utility" that tests your site for various flaws\exploits. I'd say both a great tools to have in your arsenal.
[05:40] <Shoopuf> altf2o: oh i see, thanks for the clarification
[05:41] <techsupport> how can i prevent ubuntu server from turning the monitory off ?
[05:41] <techsupport> monitor*
[05:41] <altf2o> anytime. I've been a long time fan of Snort however, so i'd definitely recommend learning it if an IDS is something you're looking to implement on your network.
[05:49] <pteague> am i supposed to set up a static ip address in somewhere other than the /etc/interfaces file?
[05:50] <Bangers> /etc/network/interfaces
[05:50] <pteague> er, that's what i meant
[05:50] <Bangers> Then the answer is no
[05:52] <pteague> i just installed intrepid yesterday... set it up in there, did an ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 ... it worked & then sometime today while rsyncing from my backup file server it lost network connection & for some reason it's using the dhcp assigned ip address again instead of the static address that i gave it during installation (& then later had to create in /etc/network/interfaces because installation didn't set it)
[05:52] <pteague> i thought possibly it lost power sometime today, but if it had lost power then it wouldn't have the 3 screen sessions i had going still running >.>
[05:55] <pteague> maybe restarting with `/etc/init.d/networking restart` may prevent it from reverting again...
[05:57] <nomingzi> starting from what version of ubuntu that it come with AppArmor/SELinux ?
[05:57] <Bangers> pteague: how many NICs do you have?
[05:57] <pteague> just the 1
[05:59] <pteague> i'm not sure of the total file size count (i'm leaving the public directory out, which probably makes up about 1/3 of the size), but /home on the file i'm rsync'ing from is 758G & i'm wondering if that may be causing problems with the 256mb ram + software raid...
[05:59] <pteague> & yes, that's temporary until i can get mobos moved around
[06:29] <Wicked> hello all. running 8.04 server here and im having some funny issues all of a sudden. when i use "df -h" it stalls...and i have to open a new session. in ps aux i see *alot* of dupe process... heres a part of the output from ps aux http://pastebin.com/m414d7c8
[06:29] <Wicked> top says server loads are at 0 0 0
[06:30] <hads> Disk full?
[06:31] <Wicked> thats what i thought at 1st..so i rm'ed a fold that was a few hundred mb's...enough to not cause this
[06:32] <Wicked> but now im just trying to find out why theres a million process's running
[06:33] <Wicked> heres the full output from ps aux....look how many times cron is running... http://pastebin.com/m5acf211f
[06:34] <Wicked> updatedb is running like 5 times...but yet my load averages are at 0 0 0 ??...seems kinda funky to me
[06:36] <Wicked> i guess ill reboot it and do a packet capture here...see if anything fishy is going on.
[06:42] <Wicked> huh. shutdown and reboot are not doing anything...
[06:42] <Wicked> says systems going down for a reboot...but then nothing happens.
[06:43] <Wicked> hard reboot. awesome :(
[06:46] <sloopy> Wicked, whats with the caps for /USR/SBIN/CRON ?
[06:46] <Wicked> no idea.
[06:48] <sloopy> Wicked, some file (executable) would have to be there for a process to be listed, may want to investigate it
[06:48] <Wicked> for sure.
[06:49] <sloopy> Wicked, did you reboot the machine? 120 reset?
[06:50] <Wicked> yea. i hard to hard reboot it.
[06:50] <hads> CRON is normal
[06:50] <sloopy> hads, with /USR/SBIN/ as the path? all caps?
[06:51] <hads> Yah
[06:51] <hads> grep CRON /var/log/syslog.6.gz
[06:51] <hads> erm, without the dodgy tab completion :)
[06:51] <sloopy> hads, my u server is at home...
[06:52] <Wicked> ok. im back in
[06:52] <Wicked> no funky look process's yet
[06:52] <Wicked> df -h works....over 4 gigs free.
[06:53] <sloopy> hads, on my 8.04 laptop that shows nothing... i will google... google knows all, if you know the right question...
[06:55] <Wicked> only thing that reall changed tonight was i installed gallery2
[06:56] <Wicked> and was uploading a bunch of pictures when it stopped...so i took a look on the server thinking i may have run out of space....
[06:57] <sloopy> Wicked, i found this via google...  http://serendipity.ruwenzori.net/index.php/2006/05/23/attack-of-the-undead-usrsbincron
[06:57] <sloopy> altho its debian, the relations of deb make it an interesting avenue to go down...
[06:58] <Wicked> yea. ill read it over now thanks
[06:59] <Xperiment62> can i automount usb drives to the anon ftp directory?
[07:00] <Xperiment62> not looking for a how to guide at the moment, i just want to know if its possible to configure
[07:01] <Wicked> hmm they say the fix was to restart slapd .....whats slapd?
[07:13] <hads> LDAP server
[08:25] <kraut> moin
[08:56] <domas> moin :)
[08:57] <domas> anybody hitting frequent kswapd deadlocks here? :)
[08:58] <soren> Nope.
[08:59] <Xperiment62> i know ive asked this a few times already... can i set up ubuntu server 8.10 so it automounts usb drives to a public ftp directory?
[08:59] <domas> fs-independent, lvm-agnostic, ..
[09:01] <soren> Xperiment62: Sure.
[09:01] <Xperiment62> thankyou... finally someone answered
[09:01] <Xperiment62> my next question... is it easy medium or hard to set up?
[09:02] <soren> Not that hard, but not trivial either.
[09:02] <soren> I suppose that makes it medium :)
[09:03] <Xperiment62> okay, thankyou very much soren... my hope in ubuntu server is not lost
[09:25] <xnv> I just installed 8.04.1 and would like to configure the network. Is there a CLI or something I should use on 8.04 to configure the network?
[09:25] <soren> There's a configuration file.
[09:25] <soren> /etc/network/interfaces
[09:26] <Xperiment62> hehe, good thing i backed up that file
[09:26] <Xperiment62> wouldnt want to have to try each individual ip adress on my network
[09:27] <xnv> OK. I know on 8.10 things are different. No such worries on 8.04?
[09:27] <soren> Now I'm confused.
[09:27] <soren> xnv: It's the same on 8.10.
[09:27] <xnv> soren: Then I don't want to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[09:27] <soren> xnv: And 7.10, 7.04, 6.10, 6.06..
[09:27] <xnv> soren: I think you're mistaken
[09:27] <soren> xnv: Then you don't want to configure your network.
[09:28] <soren> xnv: ....or you're in the wrong channel.
[09:28] <soren> Xperiment62: I don't think I understand?
[09:29] <xnv> soren: On 8.10 it's in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[09:30] <soren> Not in the server edition, it isn't.
[09:30] <Xperiment62> well im gonna be doing a fresh install on my server tommorow, and id hate to go to <IP_ADDRESS> adn count up just so i can find it to ssh
[09:30] <xnv> soren: Seems to be. Is it possible it was just installed as a separate package?
[09:30] <soren> xnv: "it"?
[09:31] <xnv> soren: The network manager
[09:31] <soren> Err... Yes, network manager is a separate package. Everything is.
[09:31] <soren> I don't think I follow.
[09:33] <xnv> soren: You seem to be saying this network manager isn't on 8.10 server edition whereas I seem to be looking at a system that is 8.10 server edition that has it. We could both be "right" in the sense that 8.10 server edition doesn't _come_ with this network manager installed, but is still available.
[09:39] <soren> Of course it's available.
[09:40] <soren> You can install anything on Ubuntu Server.
[09:40] <soren> GNOME, if you're into that sort of thing.
[09:41] <soren> Ubuntu Server isn't a different product or project. It's just a different default install. And it uses ifupdown to configure its network.
[09:46] <xnv> soren: Right and on the 8.10 desktop, the network manager is different by default. Apparently that's not true for server.
[09:47] <soren> "different by default"? What does that mean?
[09:48] <xnv> soren: Forget it.
[09:51] <jmarsden> Xperiment62: See https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/network-configuration.html
[09:51] <Shoopuf> Is chmod 770 ok for not wanting people to get http access to a directory?
[09:54] <soren> Shoopuf: Probably, but it depends on the ownership.
[10:16] <Mal3ko> does anyone know the specific meta package name for these 2 perl modules: DBI & DBD::mysql?
[10:18] <soren> Mal3ko: Why do you think there's a metapackage for them?
[10:19] <Mal3ko> no?
[10:19] <soren> Isn't libdbd-mysql-perl just what you need?
[10:24] <andol> Mal3ko: Which will give you both; not because it's a metapackage but thanks to the way apt handles dependencies.
[12:24] <Shoopuf> Anyone know where I put the "TraceEnable off" to turn off TRACE for my web server? I have a few config files here and gettin' confused :P
[12:24] <Shoopuf> using Apache :)
[12:25] <Shoopuf> not sure if i put it in apache2.conf, or httpd.conf, or ports.conf... or if it's gonna go within some tags
[12:32] <andol> Shoopuf: If you want to keep your modifications separate from the standard configuration I'd put in httpd.conf
[12:32] <andol> Shoopuf: Technically it shouldn't matter that much, since most conf-files are included from apache2.conf
[12:32] <andol> Shoopuf: Still, putting it in ports.conf would just be weird :)
[12:33] <Shoopuf> andol: oh, great :) i wondered about that.. unfortunately I already started putting stuff in apache2.conf... will start using httpd.conf
[12:34] <Shoopuf> Recommend a good, fairly simple book on Ubuntu/Apache server administration? I heard one called Ubuntu Kung Fu came out, but haven't heard of many others.
[12:38] <andol> Shoopuf: No idea, but I'd take a look on what O`Reilly has to offer. I usually like their books.
[12:38] <Shoopuf> andol: hehe, yah. I just got an O'Reilly PHP book :) great read so far
[12:46] <Shoopuf> This Ubuntu Server is great so far :) Seems like all the important stuff is right there in aptitude
[12:46] <Shoopuf> or is the term 'in the repository?' :P
[12:52] <andol> Shoopuf: No matter what, it is really nice having all that software so easily availible :)
[12:53] <Shoopuf> Someone said try FreeBSD, but I was kinda turned off when they said it wasn't actually Linux, it was just another flavor of Unix? Or somethin'...
[12:53] <Shoopuf> not sure which opinions to listen to, everyone's got one :P hehe
[12:54] <andol> Shoopuf: Nothing wrong with *BSD. Myself I prefer to use OpenBSD in some specific situations.
[13:34] <Achilleus> hello, my ubuntu kernel log daemon keeps restarting showing the console "stopping kernel log daemon .. starting kernel load daemon"
[13:39] <domas> thats logrotate
[13:40] <Achilleus> domas, okay but why does it keep restarting ?
[13:40] <domas> how often?
[13:41] <Achilleus> every 10 mins I think
[13:41] <Achilleus> more or less
[14:11] <kinnaz> can i use ubuntu server as desktop ubuntu installation ?
[14:11] <kinnaz> does it use diffrent repos ?
[14:13] <kinnaz> it seems i need to try it myself :P
[14:15] <andol> kinnaz: It is the same repos, just diffrent defaults.
[14:15] <kinnaz> does the server edition configure my x ?
[14:15] <kinnaz> or i need todo it by hand ?
[14:16] <kinnaz> i have that ubuntu 8.10 server cd here, was wondering is it safe to use it for installation of my workstation
[14:16] <kinnaz> or ill end up with just more trouble then the effort of burning new image
[14:17] <andol> kinnaz: That should work just fine. Simply install the meta-package "ubuntu-desktop" and you'll get the same stuff as if you had done a desktop-install
[14:17] <kinnaz> ah okey tnx, ill try it out
[14:17] <andol> kinnaz: Also, you might want to install the -generic kernel instead of the -server kernel.
[14:17] <kinnaz> in the long run will prolly build kernel by hand anyways
[14:17] <kinnaz> atleast in the old days
[14:18] <kinnaz> i always ended up in recompiling the kernel
[14:18] <kinnaz> havent used linux for desktop for ages
[14:18] <kinnaz> dunno how things are nowdays
[14:18] <andol> kinnaz: Not sure about the benefits of building your own kernel nowdays.
[14:18] <kinnaz> could be, in the old days
[14:18] <kinnaz> it was in default missing
[14:18] <kinnaz> ntfs aswell that sound thingie
[14:19] <andol> kinnaz: Well, give the -generic kernel a try first :) It just might work out for you.
[14:19] <kinnaz> will do :)
[14:19] <kinnaz> alsa yesyes
[14:19] <kinnaz> alsa was that sound thingie
[14:19] <kinnaz> default was oss
[14:19] <ScottK> Ubuntu defaults to Pulse now.  ALSA is the old thing now.
[14:20] <kinnaz> only have heard about that pulse, havent had chance to touch it
[14:20] <kinnaz> i wonder does it support 5.1 card aswell
[14:20] <kinnaz> what have software filter for bass
[14:32] <ScottK> kinnaz: You might ask on #ubuntu-studio.
[14:32] <ScottK> Odds are they'll know more about sound stuff there.
[15:09] <bicz> hello
[15:19] <henkjan> hmm, kvm + lvm is :(
[15:21] <Jeeves_> Wom?
[15:25] <henkjan> its crashing when using the virt-* tools
[15:26] <yann2> henkjan > can you report a bug?
[15:28] <henkjan> its #231878
[15:28] <Jeeves_> henkjan: So it's lvm + libvirt
[15:28] <Jeeves_> Not lvm + kvm
[15:28] <henkjan> Jeeves_: you are so right :)
[15:29] <Jeeves_> uhuh :)
[15:29] <Jeeves_> libvirt + iscsi is supported
[15:29] <henkjan> !jeeves_++
[15:29] <Jeeves_> But only gives you fully filled pools
[15:29] <yann2> mmmh works using iscsi as raw disk but not lvm?
[15:55] <RoyK> hi all. I've setup an ubuntu server 8.04 LTS and all seem to work well, but on every single startup it gives me the recovery menu, which is rather bad
[15:56] <RoyK> that gives me the options resume,dpkg,root and xfix. X is not installed (it's a server after all) and there are no more package errors
[15:56] <jnubuntu> you might of set up grub with the default option as recovery mode
[15:56] <RoyK> why does this happen?
[15:56] <RoyK> hm...
[15:56] <jnubuntu> you might of set up grub with the default option as recovery mode
[15:56] <jnubuntu>
[15:56] <RoyK> I'll check
[15:57] <RoyK> sysadmin must hav been drunk :P
[15:57]  * RoyK slaps RoyK
[15:58] <RoyK> I'm new to ubuntu server, having been running debian for ages. A recovery menu for single user mode isn't what I was expecting
[15:59] <jnubuntu> can you upload your /boot/grub/menu.lst somewhere?
[15:59] <RoyK> not a problem
[16:00] <jnubuntu> or email it
[16:00] <RoyK> problem solved
[16:00] <jnubuntu> oh
[16:00] <RoyK> I know my way around menu.lst, I just misunderstood the recovery mode menu - never seen that on other distros
[16:00] <jnubuntu> it is unique and helpful
[16:03] <RoyK> LTS seems like a good idea :)
[16:04] <RoyK> I know several larger companies that have been running other distros for their servers that are moving to Ubuntu server 8.04 LTS
[16:04] <jnubuntu> yeah
[16:05] <RoyK> so I think perhaps it's about time to ditch debian in favour of that
[16:05] <jnubuntu> i cant stand debian
[16:06] <jnubuntu> releases way to unpredictable
[16:06] <RoyK> I've been running debian for - what - seven or eight years, so I feel at home with it
[16:10] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #314411 in apache2 (main) "logrotate cron spams when only apache2.2-common installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314411
[17:18] <jdstrand> kirkland: fyi-- I updated help.txt for screen-profiles and requested a merge
[17:18] <kirkland> jdstrand: excellent, thanks.
[17:19] <jdstrand> kirkland: btw, I'm sure you are aware of this, but the mappings don't work too well on the console
[17:19] <kirkland> jdstrand: which ones?
[17:19] <kirkland> jdstrand: nijaba has been working on this
[17:20] <jdstrand> kirkland: they work fine in gnome-terminal, but if I login to tty1, the Shift-Tab/C-PgUp/C-PgDown don't work
[17:21] <kirkland> jdstrand: interesting ... i'll have a look
[17:21] <jdstrand> kirkland: I'm using the latest from your ppa, not bzr, so maybe I missed an update
[17:21] <jdstrand> kirkland: basically, I went through basic help and tried everything on the console
[17:22] <kirkland> jdstrand: ah, thanks for testing ...  i'm just about to shift my focus to screen-profiles for a bit, and get everyone's contributions rolled in
[17:22] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'll update the ppa's at that point
[17:23] <jdstrand> kirkland: C-Shift-Del doesn't work either
[17:23] <jdstrand> kirkland: function keys are fine
[17:24] <jdstrand> kirkland: there is an odd issue with 'F4' )create new window)
[17:25] <jdstrand> kirkland: if I do F4, then type in 'foo' as the title, it creates it, but shifts the prompt to the right one character
[17:25] <jdstrand> (and the cursor)
[17:25] <jdstrand> kirkland: pressing Enter rights it again, but seems something is leaking through
[17:25]  * kirkland tries
[17:26] <jdstrand> kirkland: my niggles aside-- this is highly cool stuff! :)
[17:27] <kirkland> jdstrand: hmm, F4 worked okay for me on the console, but not shift-tab
[17:27] <jdstrand> kirkland: all function keys work on the console
[17:27] <jdstrand> kirkland: but, F4 does the one character shift
[17:27] <jdstrand> kirkland: everywhere
[17:28] <kirkland> jdstrand: i don't understand "one character shift"
[17:29] <jdstrand> kirkland: do F4, backspace 4 characters (to replace bash), type 'foo', press Enter
[17:29] <jdstrand> kirkland: press Enter a second time and you'll see clearly the prompts don't line up
[17:29] <kirkland> jdstrand: oh, on the command line itself
[17:29] <kirkland> jdstrand: ah, that is strange
[17:30] <jdstrand> kirkland: you should see the cursor is shifted too
[17:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: i do ... very strange
[17:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: my biggest annoyance is that i can't get more than 4 tabs
[17:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: it goes foobar
[17:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'm highly interested in a fix
[17:31]  * jdstrand
[17:31]  * jdstrand nods
[17:32] <jdstrand> fwiw, I really am liking this a lot, but IMHO it'll need to work perfectly to be used as a default
[17:34] <kirkland> jdstrand: thanks, i'm hoping it gets there
[17:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: regarding https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-target/+bug/284107
[17:41] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 284107 in partman-target "Filesystem on iSCSI should have the _netdev option in /etc/fstab" [Medium,Confirmed]
[17:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: this is no longer necessary, right?
[17:42] <jdstrand> kirkland: fyi, in case you pulled rev22 for help.txt, I made another refinement (rev23)
[17:42] <kirkland> jdstrand: i hadn't pulled yet, i'll grab r23
[17:43] <jdstrand> kirkland: cool
[17:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: correct - _netdev is no longer needed in jaunty
[17:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: good, thanks, i'll mark that bug invalid.
[17:44] <mathiaz> kirkland: as iscsi block devices are treated as local block devices.
[17:44] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - adding a note about the actual implementation (ie iscsi block device are local block device)
[17:45] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay, will do.
[17:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: done!
[17:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-target/+bug/284107/comments/5
[17:46] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 284107 in partman-target "Filesystem on iSCSI should have the _netdev option in /etc/fstab" [Medium,Invalid]
[17:53] <Alan> Guys, is there something I'm missing?  Both machines I have Ubuntu Server installed on seem to have a braindead Python installation that is incapable of performing filesystem operations correctly
[17:53] <kirkland> Alan: ubuntu version?
[17:53] <Alan> 8.04 on one, 8.10 on another (I think)
[17:54] <Alan> how would i find out for certain?
[17:55] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #246324 in lvm2 (universe) "initramfs-tools lvm2-hookscript won't include lvm.conf and claim devices it shouldn't " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246324
[17:56] <Alan> ah
[17:56] <Alan> found it
[17:56] <Alan> I'm running 8.10 Intrepid on both
[17:58] <Alan> kirkland: ^^
[17:59] <kirkland> cat /etc/issue usually tells you
[17:59] <kirkland> Alan: what's an example of something broken?
[17:59] <jmedina> it is better to use lsb-release -a
[18:00] <jmedina> lsb_release -a
[18:00] <kirkland> jmedina is correct, i suppose
[18:02] <Alan> let me see if i can narrow one down
[18:02] <Alan> I'm having odd problems of files not being moved / deleted / created, but with different programs, and maybe stupidly assuming they are related
[18:03] <Alan> and they are things that I've had working unchanged completely perfectly with other distros' releases of python 2.5
[18:06] <Alan> hmmm, scratch that, one of them is my problem :|
[18:09] <Alan> although I don't know why what it's depending on doesn't work
[18:09] <Mal3ko> has the bug of not detecting multiple cores in linux-rt been fixed?
[18:09] <Alan> Basically i've taken 2 things from one server and put them on another running the same software, but one is misbehaving consistently
[18:10] <Alan> and the only common thing is that they've both moved to Ubuntu server and they're both Python
[18:12] <andol> Alan: Perhaps they rely on paths not present by default on an Ubuntu-server?
[18:14] <cxo> how do you pick another apt mirror from the console?
[18:16] <andol> cxo: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:17] <cxo> ah
[18:18] <cxo> i was hoping for a nice long mirror list to comment out/in
[18:20] <andol> cxo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[18:20] <cxo> thanks
[18:23] <cxo> whats the equivalent to chkconfig?
[18:23] <cxo> start/stop services at boot
[18:24] <Alan> andol: not as far as i can tell :|
[18:25] <Alan> Also, one of them was really annoying, seems a file lost a character somewhere, so not related to anything else :(
[18:25] <Alan> unfortunately an unexpectedly elusive bug...
[18:25] <jmedina> cxo: update-rc.d
[18:30] <kirkland> jdstrand: Bug 314441 ....
[18:30] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 314441 in ecryptfs-utils "upgrade to 68-1ubuntu2 causes console logout to hang" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314441
[18:32] <jdstrand> kirkland: yes?
[18:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: um, ugh?
[18:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: i'm trying to reproduce
[18:32] <kirkland> jdstrand: is it only on the console?
[18:33] <kirkland> jdstrand: what about ssh?
[18:33] <Faust-C> i was wondering how do you guys manage multiple servers
[18:33] <Faust-C> such as updates, and so forth
[18:33] <jdstrand> kirkland: I have an encrypted ~/Private. I am logged into via gdm so everything is mounted. I Ctrl-Alt-F1 to a console. login. exit. go back to Ctrl+Alt+F1 and it is hung
[18:34] <Jeeves_> ery usefull server tools here: http://www.brendangregg.com/specials.html
[18:34] <jmarsden|work> Faust-C: You can create yourself a local mirror using apt-mirror if you have a lot of severs to update.
[18:34] <jdstrand> kirkland: I know have 3 ttys hung :(
[18:34] <zul> mathiaz: what do you think of having php 5.2.8 for jaunty
[18:35] <Faust-C> jmarsden|work: yeah i was thinking that
[18:35] <Faust-C> fbsd has a similar setup
[18:36] <cxo> not the XJS Jeeves_?
[18:36] <Faust-C> Jeeves_: nice link btw
[18:36] <jdstrand> kirkland: I can't say for 100% sure that it was 68-1ubuntu2 that caused it, as I don't usually drop to a console, but it is definitely happening with it
[18:36] <jdstrand> and I've never seen it until today
[19:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay, i just installed a fresh, up-to-date Jaunty vm, and i cannot reproduce your console hange problem
[19:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: if i have multiple 'dustin's logged in, i do get the "Sessions still open, not unmounting" message, which is expected
[19:46] <kirkland> jdstrand: but then i get a console login prompt again
[19:47] <jdstrand> kirkland: hmm...
[19:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: i have one real machine here, running jaunty
[19:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: i cannot drop to a console on this system at all
[19:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: or get to gdm
[19:48] <kirkland> jdstrand: i only have ssh access to the system
[19:48] <fduplessis> hello all
[19:49] <fduplessis> if anyone here can give me a hand with bind9, I'd appreciate it. need some examples. pm me!
[19:53] <fduplessis> can anyone help with bind9 on 8.10 server? pls pm me
[19:53] <kirkland> fduplessis: post your questions, and someone will help if they can
[19:53] <fduplessis> roger that
[19:54] <frojnd> Hello there
[19:54] <frojnd> I've been trying to make a connection for a while now and I'm running out of ideas..
[19:55] <jmedina> connection to what?
[19:55] <frojnd> I've edited /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolf.conf for static IP but no luck..
[19:55] <frojnd> jmedina: to the www :)
[19:56] <frojnd> I can't ping the router
[19:56] <frojnd> I can't ping any other IP
[19:56] <fduplessis> i have bind9 set up (basic) and apparently working. i need to add various cname and A records and would like to make sure I'm doing it correctly. also need some advice on securing it. have been following the ubuntu docs and community docs here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto and here: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/dns.html
[19:56] <frojnd> I get ping: unknown host
[19:56] <fduplessis> will these basic guides suffice?
[19:58] <zoopster> fduplessis: for a basic dns setup, yes. If you need more in-depth, I would use your favorite search engine...there are a ton of bind docs out there that go in-depth into dns setup
[19:58] <frojnd> this is the output of resolf.conf and interfaces: http://pastebin.com/m37f91035 any ideas ?
[19:59] <fduplessis> yeah i've been reading all day, would be great if someone could take a look at my files
[20:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #314494 in samba (main) "Cant install samba" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/314494
[20:01] <zoopster> frojnd: you cannot ping the gateway?
[20:02] <finite9> hi! im still struggling with setting up a GUI on Ubuntu server (intrepid)... I have minimal X working by running xinit with Fluxbox (works ok on console), but I want to VNC to the server so I can run headless, so I change vnc4server's xstartup config file and change twm to /usr/bin/fluxbox.  I run tsclient to get VNC session and it connects OK and shows Fluxbox, but VNC does not grab the mouse pointer and my cli
[20:02] <finite9> ents GDM session hangs until I manually kill vncviewer and tsclient.  Does anyone know why the vncviewer hangs?
[20:03] <frojnd> zoopster: nop
[20:03] <frojnd> zoopster: I get Network is unreachable
[20:03] <frojnd> zoopster: I'm pretty sure cable is plugged in since the light blinks at the boot
[20:04] <zoopster> frojnd: interesting...that was my next question
[20:04] <frojnd> zithough now isn't on on the switch..
[20:04] <zoopster> frojnd: is the cable plugged into the correct network
[20:05] <frojnd> zoopster: yep
[20:05] <zoopster> frojnd: and is the cable good? - your files look correct
[20:07] <frojnd> zoopster: I'll make another check of cables
[20:08] <zoopster> fduplessis: you may have better luck on the forums with a review of your dns files...if you have a problem come back here
[20:11] <frojnd> zoopster: cables are ok
[20:13] <vorian> ScottK: about?
[20:17] <Brimstar> Any comments or suggestions for a person who's always been a redhat admin about to setup their first Ubuntu box (server or otherwise)?
[20:18] <Nafallo> Brimstar: yum does not exist
[20:18] <Nafallo> ;-)
[20:18] <bobbyd> hi, I'm using ubuntu-virt-sever on a core2 chip with vmx support, but paravirtualisation isn't available in the GUI, any ideas on how to debug it?
[20:19] <bobbyd> Brimstar: just get the ubuntu server iso and learn apt
[20:19] <bobbyd> aptitude is your friend
[20:20] <Brimstar> bobbyd:  ISO is burned onto disk and getting ready to do my first install.  Any reason to install the GUI if you're mostly dealing with Apache, PHP, and MySQL other than the web application that's going on it?
[20:21] <bobbyd> nope
[20:21] <bobbyd> apart from it being very nice :)
[20:21] <bobbyd> depends if you want to pretend you're in minority report or not :)
[20:22] <Brimstar> bobbyd:  I prefer to pretend the GUI doesn't exist on Linux systems usually :)
[20:23] <bobbyd> as you wish
[20:25] <Brimstar> Tempted to install the GUI just to see it, but hate to do that then reinstall again to get the build I'd prefer
[20:26] <bobbyd> well, just run from a live CD to see it :)
[20:27] <Brimstar> True
[20:28] <Brimstar> Some other time since that's not really something I need for work related stuff.  Mostly a Windows admin these days, but spent a lot of time with RH in the past
[20:28] <bobbyd> you maybe won't get the compiz stuff, but you can install the drivers under the live CD (if it's e.g an Nvidia card) just to see it
[20:28] <bobbyd> yep
[20:28] <Brimstar> Just about every machine I could run it on is ATI based
[20:31] <bobbyd> Brimstar: the recent open sourcing of their cards' microcode should mean you have better drivers soon then
[20:31] <bobbyd> even now they're better than the were
[20:32] <Brimstar> System I'm installing right now has an older Intel model I believe.
[20:57] <frojnd> cables are fine..
[20:58] <frojnd> but it just wont conenct.
[21:00] <turuburu> hi
[21:01] <zoopster> frojnd: when you say won't connect...it will not negotiate with your switch? If you reboot, do you get any details in the logs? I had a weird problem when first setting up a server that the connection would die and nothing I did would fix it, except a hard reset...not sure why...but once I had it all set, i never saw problems again
[21:02] <zoopster> frojnd: this problem was ONLY when I changed the network details...strange, but...
[21:08] <onesandzeros> hello all.  I'm a little fuzzy on this backports idea.  each version of ubuntu has a point where they stop updating stuff, right?  I've got gutsy server here, and I use it to run primarily Request Tracker and MediaWiki.  apt-get update/upgrade doesn't show any updates for these two or much of anything else, eventhough I know there are newer versions out there.  I was looking in http://packages.ubu
[21:08] <onesandzeros> ntu.com/gutsy-backports/ , but I don't see newer versions of these two packages.  Is that all just community-provided stuff?
[21:25] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay, i've merged your screen-profiles changes
[21:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: do i need to do something in launchpad to mark your proposal as "merged"?
[21:26] <jdstrand> \o/
[21:26] <kirkland> jdstrand: nm, i found it
[21:26] <kirkland> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jdstrand/screen-profiles/screen-profiles-jdstrand/+merge/2666
[21:26] <jthomas> does anyone know how to get around a server which cannot install 8.04.01 Server?  I am getting an error after hanging at, "Retrieving binutils-static-udeb    2%" and I've found the bug report but no fixes.  I need 8.04 for a client's project.  Bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/148466 but no fix.
[21:26] <jdstrand> ok, I knew it was in there somewhere...
[21:26] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 148466 in linux "Won't boot on a DELL Poweredge 2500" [Undecided,Fix released]
[21:27] <jthomas> yeah i know; any workarounds tho?
[21:27] <jthomas> someone got it booted with 'mini iso' but i have no idea what that is
[21:28] <Martin|XP> good afternoon my friends
[21:29] <psyferre> hey folks, i just installed ubuntu server 8.1 and it had an option to automatically install a "virtual machine host".  I did so, but I can't find anything that looks like a virtual machine host :)  Does anyone know what it installs and how you turn it on, so to speak?
[21:30] <kirkland> psyferre: it installs the infrastructure required to run Kernel Virtual Machines
[21:31] <kirkland> psyferre: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[21:31] <kirkland> psyferre: you should verify that your hardware supports kvm
[21:31] <kirkland> psyferre: run "kvm-ok"
[21:32] <psyferre> kirkland: ahh, thank you.  I thought it was going to install vmware or Xen or something
[21:32] <kirkland> psyferre: KVM is similar in principle to vmware and xen
[21:33] <psyferre> kirkland: i was searching the system for some sort of setup script I was supposed to run post install.
[21:33] <psyferre> Thanks, I'll check out the link
[21:33] <kirkland> psyferre: kvm is more the official, chosen virtualization platform for Ubuntu
[21:33] <kirkland> psyferre: do you have another ubuntu system?
[21:33] <kirkland> psyferre: perhaps a desktop system?
[21:33] <psyferre> kirkland: yes, I have several other ubuntu servers all running vmware
[21:34] <psyferre> no desktop systems that I use regularly
[21:34] <kirkland> psyferre: if so, you can install ubuntu-virt-mgmt there
[21:34] <kirkland> psyferre: and then attach to the kvm hypervisor on your ubuntu server
[21:34] <kirkland> psyferre: and deploy kvm virtual machines there
[21:35] <psyferre> kirkland: verrry interesting
[21:35] <peppe__> hi all i have this problem
[21:35] <psyferre> kirkland: I'll check it out, thanks
[21:35] <peppe__> http://pastebin.com/m3b303f96
[21:35] <kirkland> psyferre: good luck
[21:36] <kirkland> psyferre: note that there's also #ubuntu-virt
[21:36] <psyferre> kirkland: thanks :)
[21:36] <peppe__> i know someone help me?  http://pastebin.com/m562ea9d3
[21:37] <kirkland> peppe__: this perhaps isn't the best channel to address this problem
[21:37] <psyferre> very cool, thank you
[21:39] <peppe__> i have this problem in only my ubuntu server
[21:39] <peppe__> infact in my ubuntu gutsy it work normaly
[21:39] <jthomas> peppe__ i googled the last line in that pastebin and got this http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=50154
[21:41] <Martin|XP> join #ubuntu-server,0
[21:42] <kirkland> nijaba: are you around?
[21:42] <kirkland> nijaba: i'm working on your screen-profiles merge
[21:42] <nijaba> kirkland: I am
[21:42] <nijaba> kirkland: how can I help you?
[21:43] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, i merged jdstrand's and nxvl's first, since those were simple
[21:43] <kirkland> nijaba: i'm curious about welcome.txt
[21:43] <kirkland> nijaba: looks like that info is in doc/help.txt
[21:44] <nijaba> kirkland: let me check, I thought I had removed it
[21:44] <kirkland> nijaba: oh, i was looking at your first merge
[21:44] <kirkland> nijaba: perhaps i should grab both of them
[21:44] <nijaba> kirkland: I thought I hed only one branch which needed to be merged
[21:45] <kirkland> nijaba: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles/+activereviews
[21:45] <peppe__> jthomas thanks now look
[21:45] <nijaba> kirkland: weird, binding welcome is marked as merged
[21:45] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, i'll mark that one merged
[21:46] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, now just one https://code.edge.launchpad.net/screen-profiles/+activereviews
[21:46] <kirkland> nijaba: okay, i'm going through that one now
[21:49] <nijaba> kirkland: I do not agree with jdstrand last addition to help.txt.  It is fully rudundant with screen by default, for which we now have a helper function, IMO
[21:49] <jdstrand> nijaba: which part?
[21:49] <jdstrand> (I made a lot of additions to it)
[21:49] <nijaba> jdstrand: "Use 'screen -r' to reattach to a detached screen"
[21:50] <jdstrand> nijaba: I was unaware of additional functionality
[21:50] <nijaba> jdstrand: if you install screen by default, there should be never any need to do a screen -r
[21:50] <jdstrand> nijaba: I was trying to think about the first time screen user
[21:50] <nijaba> jdstrand: right, it was not merged
[21:50] <jdstrand> nijaba: that is a big if :)
[21:51] <jdstrand> nijaba: as it operates now, it is not run on login
[21:52] <nijaba> jdstrand: but the purpose of the exercise, IMO, at least as soon as the package screen-profile is installed
[21:52] <jdstrand> nijaba: therefore, I removed the 'exit' part of detach and exit, and added screen -r so people knew how to reattach
[21:53] <jdstrand> nijaba: IMHO, improving the screen experience is foremost. if that can be made excellent, then we can consider screen by default
[21:54] <kirkland> jdstrand: i agree with you on that point
[21:54] <nijaba> jdstrand: 2 against 1 -> you win ;)
[21:54] <jdstrand> there are several little niggles that need to be worked out, and I'm not 100% sure that screen is a good default if for no other reason than scrollback. I think people would complain
[21:55] <nijaba> jdstrand: did you try scrolling back?
[21:55] <kirkland> jdstrand: actually, we've turned "scrollback" on
[21:55] <jdstrand> I was using the version in kirkland's ppa, so I may not have the latest and greatest
[21:56] <kirkland> nijaba: thanks for changing the runtime dependency to python-newt
[21:56] <kirkland> nijaba: which is in main :-)
[21:56] <kirkland> jdstrand: we'll get you a hot new one soon :-)
[21:56] <nijaba> kirkland: hopefully as that was not fun :)
[21:56] <kirkland> jdstrand: let me get all of this fresh goodness whipped into shape
[21:57] <jdstrand> I'm no screen export, but trying to leave scrollback on and actually using the terminal is fairly painful
[21:57] <kirkland> nijaba: i'm going to accept the default 'welcome' window for now, but i'd like to come up with an easy way to disable that, once you've seen it a few dozen times :-)
[21:58] <nijaba> kirkland: hmm, first time it is launched for example?
[21:58] <kirkland> nijaba: well, it might be nice to leave it there until you say, "I don't want to see this any more"
[21:58] <jdstrand> if there are any people like me, that screen is highly helpful and will need to be seen more than once
[21:58] <kirkland> nijaba: like most gui programs with their "Show hints on startup"
[21:59] <kirkland> right
[21:59] <nijaba> kirkland: in which case show the menu directly? ok
[22:00] <nijaba> kirkland: should I create a ~/.screen-profiles file to store this type of users settings?
[22:01] <kirkland> nijaba: hang on, let me get your current work merged first :-)
[22:01]  * kirkland can't keep up with the Great niJaba the Hutt!
[22:01]  * jdstrand is very curious about scrollback on by default
[22:01] <nijaba> kirkland: I am just thinking about it, waiting for your merge to be done to start a new branch ;)
[22:01] <kirkland> nijaba: :-D  sure
[22:02]  * sbeattie can't imagine screen *without* scrollback...
[22:02] <kirkland> sbeattie: my life was much worse, before i figured out screen with scrollback
[22:02] <nijaba> kirkland: In my todo, I have:
[22:02] <nijaba> 1/ allow selection of of keyboard mapping sets
[22:02] <jdstrand> ok, so how do you enable by default without it being all crappy all the time?
[22:03] <jdstrand> kirkland, sbeattie?
[22:03] <nijaba> 2/ allow change of default escape
[22:03] <sbeattie> jdstrand: define "all crappy"?
[22:03] <nijaba> 3/ Dynamic help text construction
[22:03] <kirkland> jdstrand: can you describe your "crappy" scenario?
[22:03] <nijaba> 4/ allow discard of welcome by default and go directly to the menu
[22:03] <nijaba> kirkland: anything else?
[22:04] <kirkland> nijaba: those are good so far
[22:04] <kirkland> nijaba: for (4), i have an idea
[22:04] <jdstrand> kirkland, sbeattie: maybe I am enabling it wrong, but I have always used 'Ctrl-a Esc' which does the 'copy mode'
[22:04] <kirkland> nijaba: we could drop "screen -t welcome 0 screen-profiles-helper" out of windows/default
[22:04] <jdstrand> is there a better way?
[22:04] <kirkland> nijaba: put it in a windows/welcome
[22:05] <kirkland> nijaba: and have that added/pruned out of the user's .screen-windows file or some such
[22:05] <nijaba> kirkland: yep...
[22:06] <kirkland> nijaba: i'm going to rename "bash" to "shell", for obvious reasons
[22:07] <nijaba> kirkland: makes a lot of sense, yes
[22:07] <kirkland> nijaba: and i'm going to rename windows/default to windows/common
[22:07] <kirkland> nijaba: to match profiles and keybindings
[22:08] <sbeattie> jdstrand: hrm, that's how I enable it as well, though I never actually make use of the copy-paste functionality
[22:09] <jdstrand> sbeattie: right-- and if you start to type into the terminal while in scrollback mode, doesn't it pop out with 'copy aborted'?
[22:10] <sbeattie> BTW, in my screenrc, I add this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/101329/ so that ctrl+a + '-' + [0-9] takes me to windows 10 to 19
[22:10] <jdstrand> sbeattie: eg-- I enter scrollback mode, then do 'ls'. bam 'copy mode aborted'
[22:10] <jdstrand> I am confused how scrollback can be on be default if I can't use 'ls' :)
[22:11] <jdstrand> kirkland: there ^ is my crappy scenario ;)
[22:11] <kirkland> jdstrand: how are you "entering scrollback mode"?
[22:12] <kirkland> jdstrand: shift-pgup?
[22:12] <sbeattie> jdstrand: well, it either barks at me or tells me I've escaped the dungeon, but that's cuz I'm sufficiently dorky enough to have enabled nethack mode.
[22:12] <jthomas> peppe__ look at what?  new pastebin?
[22:13] <peppe__> ehmm
[22:13] <jdstrand> kirkland: I'm using screen-profiles (ubuntu) and do 'C-g Esc'
[22:14] <nijaba> jdstrand: did you just try to shift-pgup?
[22:14] <kirkland> jdstrand: can you just shift-pgup?
[22:14] <nijaba> jdstrand: the following was added to allow it:
[22:14] <nijaba> termcapinfo xterm ti@:te@
[22:14] <nijaba> defscrollback 10000
[22:14] <jdstrand> nijaba, kirkland: nothing. but again I have the ppa version
[22:14] <kirkland> jdstrand: okay, i'm running 1.2
[22:15] <peppe__> jthomas in the middle of the strat
[22:15] <kirkland> jdstrand: let's circle back once i release this one
[22:15] <nijaba> jdstrand: yes, but that should be there already...
[22:15] <jthomas> peppe__ whats the link?
[22:15] <peppe__> the link of my pastebin?
[22:15] <Deeps> ooh, screen-profiles looks nice!
[22:15] <jthomas> what do you want that I look at?
[22:15] <peppe__> http://pastebin.com/m562ea9d3
[22:16] <sbeattie> hrm, I wonder how shift-pageup plays with ttys, as shift-pageup also scrollsback there.
[22:16] <nijaba> jdstrand: could you modify "termcapinfo xterm ti@:te@" -> "termcapinfo xterm* ti@:te@", relaunch and try again?
[22:16] <jdstrand> nijaba: profiles/common does have termcapinfo xterm ti@:te@
[22:16] <nijaba> jdstrand: there is a big for it, IIRC
[22:16] <jthomas> peppe__ what do you want me to see?
[22:16] <jpds> kirkland: What will be in the screen-profile package? Different .screenrc's?
[22:16] <kirkland> jpds: sort of
[22:17] <peppe__> jthomas my problem is this http://pastebin.com/m3b303f96
[22:17] <nijaba> jdstrand: see bug #309393
[22:17] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 309393 in screen-profiles "Can't scroll with shift pgup/down" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309393
[22:17] <peppe__> sorry for my english
[22:17] <jdstrand> nijaba: sorry, no dice
[22:17] <jthomas> so your computer (<IP_ADDRESS>) doesn't have anything on port 8080
[22:18] <jdstrand> nijaba: termcapinfo xterm* ti@:te@ in /usr/share/screen-profiles/profiles/common, correct?
[22:18] <nijaba> jdstrand: yep
[22:18] <jdstrand> nijaba: yeah, doesn't work.
[22:18] <nijaba> :(
[22:18] <nijaba> it worked for didrocks...  weird
[22:18] <jthomas> peppe__ don't worry about your english, its fine :)
[22:19] <sbeattie> nijaba: that just gets me the terminals scrollback, not screens scrollback
[22:19] <jthomas> peppe__ is this still vlc issue?
[22:19] <nijaba> sbeattie: yes, that what is intended
[22:19] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I think that would be quite good actually
[22:19] <sbeattie> as in, do dmesg in win 0, switch to win 1, then shift-pgup gets me dmesg output.
[22:19] <jdstrand> oh, heh, maybe not :)
[22:20] <peppe__> I run vlc server for transmission over http on port 8080 so i run another vlc on <IP_ADDRESS>:8080
[22:20] <sbeattie> blech. when I scrollback, I want the history in the window I'm in.
[22:20]  * jdstrand nods
[22:20] <peppe__> but i recive this error
[22:20] <jthomas> do you have a firewall blocking access to localhost:8080 ?
[22:20] <peppe__> i have set iptables
[22:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie: scrollback from another window in counter-intuitive
[22:21] <jdstrand> s/in/is/
[22:21] <nijaba> sbeattie: right, but at least you can scroll back the last command, which is better than nothing...
[22:21] <peppe__> i set iptables but i dont set it for vlc
[22:22] <jthomas> for port 8080 to either send, or recieve ?
[22:22] <jthomas> may need to be open for both.  or try turning off iptables to see if that fixes it, then you've found the isse
[22:22] <jthomas> issue
[22:22] <peppe__> i dont set port 8080
[22:22]  * sbeattie wonders how irssi does it, since it gets scrollback right.
[22:22] <peppe__> so the firewall block the port
[22:22] <jthomas> but is it blocking all non-enabled ports?
[22:23] <jthomas> the firewall may block the port, not certain
[22:23] <peppe__> how do i unlock the port?
[22:24] <jthomas> you're running iptables?  same as with the others.
[22:24] <nijaba> sbeattie: it is the program that traps the kb event, IIUC
[22:24] <jthomas> otherwise, I don't know of the top of my head :(
[22:25] <peppe__> yes i use iptables
[22:25] <peppe__> and i work in a vnc session
[22:25] <jthomas> yes i know.  Try clearing the iptables list (iptables -F) BUT that will erase ALL rules, so make sure that you know how to reset them.
[22:25] <nijaba> peppe__: ufw is a nice way to setup your iptables nicely...
[22:26] <jthomas> otherwise, I am not certain peppe__maybe google for it
[22:26] <jthomas> ufw isn't iptables, is it??
[22:26] <Deeps> it's a frontend for iptables
[22:26] <nijaba> jthomas: it certainly is based on it, isn't it jdstrand?
[22:26] <jthomas> no kidding, nice.  i thought it was a totally different thing.
[22:26] <jthomas> so 'ucf open 8080' isn't it?
[22:28] <peppe__> so i use "ucf open 8080"??
[22:28] <jthomas> 'ucf allow 8080' perhaps?  Not certain peppe__ google it.  I've not used ufw
[22:29] <nijaba> jthomas: are you talking about ufw? then "ufw allow 8080"
[22:29] <jdstrand> jthomas, nijaba: ufw is a frontend to iptables
[22:29] <jthomas> or, as I mentioned before, turn off iptables (iptables -F) to remove all to see if thats the problem or not
[22:29] <jdstrand> jthomas: sudo ufw status
[22:29] <jdstrand> jthomas: if it says 'not enabled' it isn't in your way
[22:29] <jthomas> talk to peppe__ jdstrand, he needs assistance with allowing localhost:8080 access
[22:29] <jdstrand> peppe__: ^
[22:30] <peppe__> if you use iptables -f blocks network
[22:30] <jdstrand> peppe__: you can see if you have any firewall rules with 'sudo iptables -L -n'
[22:31] <Deeps> surely `ufw status` returning 'firewall not enabled' simply means you're not using ufw, rather than that there's no firewalling?
[22:31] <jdstrand> Deeps: that is correct
[22:31] <Deeps> ok
[22:31] <jdstrand> use 'iptables -L -n' to see the raw output
[22:31] <jdstrand> (no matter what firewall frontend you are using)
[22:32] <heath|work> I have to do a distro upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 .... is this possible with do-release-upgrade
[22:33] <jdstrand> heath|work: it's not only possibly, it the recommended method
[22:33]  * jdstrand can't type
[22:33] <peppe__> i run iptables -L -n and so?
[22:33] <jdstrand> peppe__: that command will show you your filtering rules
[22:34] <jdstrand> peppe__: if there are none, then a firewall *on this host* is not the problem
[22:35] <heath|work> jdstrand, will it upgrade straight to 8.10 or can I make it go to 8.04?
[22:35] <jdstrand> heath|work: do-release-upgrade will not skip releases
[22:35] <heath|work> nice! thanks
[22:36] <peppe__> there are any rule, but there isnt 8080 or <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:36] <espacious> hi im having troubles with DUPLICATES when pinging from my ubuntu server.
[22:36] <espacious> http://pastebin.com/mec8213c
[22:37] <espacious> it was not doing that.
[22:37] <espacious> how can i check what is wrong.
[22:37] <jdstrand> peppe__: can you rephrase?
[22:38] <peppe__> in output there is no rule with <IP_ADDRESS> port 8080
[22:40] <jdstrand> peppe__: please paste the output in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:40] <peppe__> I have to post the output of my Firewal?
[23:13] <kirkland> nijaba: please use tab's for indentation in screen-profiles in the future
[23:14] <kirkland> nijaba: and the use of the $profiles global variable inside of the other shell functions in select-screen-profile is highly frowned upon
[23:15] <kirkland> nijaba: i'm going to parameterize it
[23:16] <Lamo> I've installed bugzilla via apt and the created a sym link from /var/www/ > /etc/bugzilla3 and can pull up a page on http://localhost/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/index.cgi however I have no way of logging in? sorry for my ignorance but I can't find any docs on how I create a user.
[23:17] <nijaba> kirkland: I'm not sure I get your second remark...
[23:25] <kirkland> nijaba: global variables are generally frowned upon, when programming in a functional manager
[23:25] <kirkland> manner
[23:44] <Xperiment62> hello everytone
[23:44] <Xperiment62> everyone*
[23:49] <Xperiment62> i have a problem during the install for server 8.10
[23:50] <Xperiment62> it asks me to insert the intrepid ibex server install cd
[23:50] <Xperiment62> which is currently in the driv
[23:51] <genii> Xperiment62: I've seen this on all install cd when it cannot figure out what driver to use for the chipset controlling the cdrom drive (notably some sata controller chips)
[23:51] <Xperiment62> well
[23:51] <Xperiment62> im using all IDE
[23:51] <Xperiment62> is there anyway to get past this screen?
[23:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> it tends to happen more on older gear too
[23:52] <cxo> how do you setup NICs from the console?
[23:52] <genii> Kamping_Kaiser: Yes
[23:52] <Xperiment62> ive had it installed on this machine before
[23:53] <cxo> do you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces manually?
[23:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[23:53] <genii> Xperiment62: As a fast workaround I'd suggest external cd connected by usb. The default install knows about usb-storage by default
[23:54] <Xperiment62> ill give it one more go
[23:54] <Xperiment62> if it doesnt work, ill go find my IDE to USB gear
[23:54] <genii> cxo: man interfaces     has syntax of the entries in that file
[23:54] <cxo> what a pain
[23:54] <Xperiment62> providing i can boot from usb
[23:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc you can also specify the driver to load on boot prompt, but i could be totally wrong on that
[23:56] <cxo> how do you get rid of the disclaimer at login?
[23:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably /etc/motd.tail, but that may vary depending on your version
[23:59] <Xperiment62> oooh, looks like it may be working this time


 That's funny video :) I kinda like Java, but it's a little bit slow (compared to other programming languages).
[00:03] <godbyk> c7p: pretty good.
[00:03] <godbyk> just finishing up.
[00:04] <infosoft> Javatar :D
[00:08] <c7p> infosoft: yap it's pretty hilarious :d
[00:13] <c7p> godbyk, i feel sleepy :S, do you need me something else ?
[00:18] <godbyk> c7p: Nope. It'll be another half hour to an hour before it's up.
[00:18] <godbyk> I'll send you an email. :-)
[00:18] <c7p> ok nice :D
[00:19] <c7p> night, evening, morning all
[13:07] <daker> jenkins, the toc is empty :s
[13:07] <daker> i can't get it work
[13:07] <jenkins> toc?
[13:08] <daker> latex
[13:08] <jenkins> ok paste bin what you have so far
[13:10] <daker> if anyone want to see the stats for the Greek version
[13:10] <daker> http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=23
[13:11] <daker> printed version  http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=24
[13:13] <daker> jenkins, http://paste.ubuntu.com/467485/
[13:15] <daker> that one is the main file
[13:16] <daker> the other file are all like that http://paste.ubuntu.com/467486/
[13:16] <daker> just section and subsection
[13:17] <jenkins> do you have page-title.tex? I am getting an error od not finding it
[13:17] <daker> yes
[13:18] <daker> page-title.tex is empty :)
[13:19] <jenkins> what about chapitre-browser.tex?
[13:19] <daker> all the chapter are like that one http://paste.ubuntu.com/467486/
[13:19] <jenkins> ok, so whats not showing?
[13:20] <daker> the toc is empty
[13:20] <daker> brb in 15min
[13:21] <daker> chapter-glade.tex http://paste.ubuntu.com/467486/
[13:22] <jenkins> whats toc stand for?
[13:25] <jenkins> table of contents?
[13:28] <infosoft> jenkins: Hi! Yep, toc - table of contents :)
[13:28] <jenkins> thanks infosoft
[13:29] <jenkins> hello o/
[13:35] <daker> back
[13:36] <jenkins> daker: http://ubuntuone.com/p/AIK/ there is a table of contents at the start of it
[13:37] <daker> yes that's what i want
[13:37] <daker> how can i do that ?
[13:40] <jenkins> I did not do anything, I built it by doing xelatex daker.tex . I named the main file daker.tex
[13:42] <daker> i'll try with xelatex
[13:45] <daker> there is any toc.tex in your folder ?
[13:46] <daker> from what file did he get the titles ?
[13:58] <jenkins> soryy daker laptop battery went
[13:58] <daker> \o/
[13:59] <jenkins> how are you getting on
[13:59] <daker> error : ! Package inputenc Error: Unicode char \u8:éde not set up for use with LaTeX.
[13:59] <daker> and i use : \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}
[13:59] <jenkins> hmm I got those as well, I figured it was something I was missing
[14:00] <jenkins> what language are you writing it in?
[14:01] <daker> french
[14:02] <daker> we can use something like this :
[14:02] <daker> \includegraphics[width=200px, height=200px]{images.png}
[14:02] <daker> with px ?
[14:03] <jenkins> I don't know I use [scale = 0.8]
[14:04] <daker> the toc works
[14:05] <jenkins> how were you building it before?
[14:06] <jenkins> try \usepackage[utf8ttf]{inputenc} and see if that fixes it
[14:07] <daker> i were using gummi
[14:07] <daker> with pdflatex
[14:07] <daker> ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8ttf.def' not found.
[14:09] <jenkins> hmm, ok
[14:10] <daker> in the toc there something wrong
[14:11] <jenkins> does \usepackage[utf8x]{inputenc} work?
[14:11] <jenkins> whats wrong with it?
[14:11] <daker> the section is : Pourquoi utiliser WebKit?
[14:11] <daker> and in the top he wrote just : P
[14:12] <jenkins> is that in the pdf i linked to you?
[14:13] <daker> the toc in the pdf you linked to me has nothing related with titles of the section
[14:13] <daker> he used the toc of the quick guide for the translators
[14:14] <jenkins> whos he?
[14:15] <daker> xelatex
[14:16] <daker> give a look at the pdf you linked to me
[14:16] <daker> and you will see
[14:16] <daker> how can i find error in the log?
[14:16] <daker> errors* :)
[14:17] <jenkins> lol now i get it, that may be because I was messing around with several files. errors usually start with !
[14:18] <daker> do you have any script to catch those errors ?
[14:18] <jenkins> nope I just do a ctrl + f for !
[14:18] <jenkins> the rest have the word warning by them
[14:20] <daker> oki
[14:20] <daker> other question
[14:21] <daker> well the chapters and the section starts with 0
[14:22] <daker> 0.3 Pourquoi utiliser WebKit
[14:22] <daker> i want to tell him to start from 1 not from 0
 the section is : Pourquoi utiliser WebKit?
 and in the top he wrote just : P
[14:23] <daker> it's oki with i didn't set a title form this
[14:27] <jenkins> start at 1 o this is possible I just can't rember how
[14:27] <daker> i don't want him to write 1.1, 1.2
[14:28] <daker> for chapter 1, 2, 3
[14:28] <daker> and sections 1.1, 1.2, 2.1 etc...
[14:28] <jenkins> try adding \setcounter{secnumdepth}{1} to the preamble
[14:30] <daker> he removed the numbers from chapters and subsections
[14:31] <jenkins> has he done them by hand?
[14:31] <daker> what ?
[14:32] <daker> i think it shoud be like this \setcounter{secnumdepth}{3}
[14:33] <daker> but the numbering is not oki
[14:35] <jenkins> I don't understand, can you show me what the numbers are at the moment and what they should be
[14:35] <jenkins>  \setcounter{secnumdepth}{1} should start form one not 0 as you said (14:22:37) daker: i want to tell him to start from 1 not from 0
[14:39] <daker> looks like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/467515/
[14:42] <daker> the should look like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/467516/
[14:43] <jenkins> thanks we were thinking the same thing
[14:43] <daker> \o/
[14:44] <daker> i'll recompile the pdf just to be sure
[14:44] <jenkins> is Conteneurs a chapter?
[14:44] <daker> where ?
[14:45] <jenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467486/ line 34
[14:45] <jenkins> I am trying to work out if \subsection has been used where \section should have been
[14:45] <jenkins> line 14 palette is a better, suggestion is that a chapter?
[14:46] <daker> no it's a section of the Glade chapter
[14:47] <daker> Conteneurs is subsubsection
[14:48] <jenkins> can you put it all in bzr please?
[14:48] <daker> sorry i can't upload anything, 0k/s for upload
[14:49] <daker> the ISP have some problems
[14:51] <jenkins> ok cool, erm have you tried adding \setcounter{secnumdepth}{1} ?
[14:54] <daker> the some thing
[14:54] <daker> same
[14:56] <jenkins> \setcounter{section}{1} may be?
[15:01] <daker> the same thing but now it start with 0.2
[15:01] <daker> before it's start with 0.1
 I am trying to work out if \subsection has been used where \section should have been
[15:05] <daker> yes you are right
[15:05] <jenkins> o right cool
[15:06] <jenkins> i was getting very stuck on what else to sugest
[15:19] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467531/
[15:19] <daker> :s
[15:21] <jenkins> delete/comment out \setcounter{secnumdepth}{3} ?
[15:26] <daker> http://paste.ubuntu.com/467533/
[15:27] <jenkins> try commenting line 13 out
[15:28] <jenkins> also try changing book to article on the first line, then we can work out if it is the latex style
[15:43] <jenkins> daker: did you get my last two posts?
[15:43] <daker> yes
[15:44] <daker> do you think article is good
[15:44] <daker> because i want to print it
[15:46] <jenkins> I have no clue on the differnece I use article because thats all i have needed, I only suggested it to see if it was the book style that was causing it
[15:54] <daker> if i did \chapter*{Bla Bla}
[15:54] <daker> it should apper in the TOC
[15:55] <jenkins> I don't know I only use \section{},
[15:55] <daker> ?
[15:57] <jenkins> I need to do some house work be back in a while
[15:57] <daker> oki
[15:57] <daker> see ya
[17:38] <godbyk> I haven't read the entire conversation, daker and jenkins.  But a couple things: 1. you have to run the file through pdflatex (or xelatex) twice to get the table of contents.
[17:39] <godbyk> 2. using \chapter* or \section* (with the *) will tell latex *not* to put an entry in the table of contents.
[17:40] <daker> thanks i have found that http://www.andy-roberts.net/misc/latex/toctutorial.html
[17:40] <daker> and now the toc is working
[17:44] <godbyk> cool
[17:45] <daker> thanks
[18:07] <godbyk> Time to fix some lunch.
[18:07] <godbyk> Be back in a bit.
[19:02] <infosoft> http://www.cha.lt/uploads/posts/20100722_08.jpg  :)
[21:27] <jenkins> hey daker hows it going?
 thanks i have found that http://www.andy-roberts.net/misc/latex/toctutorial.html
 and now the toc is working
[21:28] <daker> it's the fancy package
[21:29] <jenkins> cool, I got so busy here and then everyone came home glad you sorted it
[21:30] <daker> thanks for your help
[21:31] <jenkins> no worries
[21:31] <jenkins> I am still learning :)
[21:31] <c7p> hello all
[21:32] <daker> hi c7p
[21:32] <jenkins> hey c7p I hear congrats is in order
[21:32] <c7p> hi
[21:32] <infosoft> Holla, c7p :)
[21:32] <c7p> hehe :D
[21:33] <c7p> 190 hits on July 22, pretty nice for first day
[21:42] <jenkins> well done thanks for the thanks c7p
[21:42] <c7p> np jenkins
[21:45] <daker> look a non official group http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-manual/106030906095729?ref=search
[21:47] <daker> someone should post a link to the Greek manual
[21:48] <daker> on facebook & twitter
[21:48] <jenkins> I can do facebook only ben can do twitter iirc
[21:49] <daker> dutchie, godbyk ?
[21:50] <godbyk> I emailed Ben when I emailed the list. So I figure he'll jump on it when he wakes up or gets home or whatever.
[21:51] <daker> oki
[21:51] <dutchie> daker: yes/
[22:00] <jenkins> dutchie: can you access the manual twitter.
[22:00] <jenkins> ?
[22:01] <dutchie> err
[22:01] <dutchie> maybe
[22:01] <dutchie> i did know the pw
[22:02] <dutchie> aha, found it
[22:05] <jenkins> cool dutchie can we work out what to post about the greek manual on twiter and facebook
[22:06] <jenkins> You can now download the greek edition http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04/el/screen. Or buy a printed copy: http://ubuntu-manual.org/buy/gswu1004e1/el . Well done to the greek team.
[22:07] <jenkins> is that ok people?
[22:08] <jenkins> You can now download the greek edition http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04/el/screen. Or buy a printed copy: http://ubuntu-manual.org/buy/gswu1004e1/el . Well done to the greek translation team.
[22:09] <dutchie> sounds good to me
[22:09] <jenkins> right do you have facebook access as well
[22:09] <jenkins> I can do it on facebook if you like
[22:10] <jenkins> we don't want to do it twice thats all
[22:10] <dutchie> i don't have facebook access
[22:10] <dutchie> tweeted
[22:11] <jenkins> facebooked
[22:17] <c7p> cool
[22:25] <c7p> night all
[22:25] <jenkins> night c7p
[22:41] <jenkins> night all
[22:41] <dutchie> night jenkins
[23:59] <brandonj> congrats to all involved with the greek release


[07:49] <evaluate> hello
[07:49] <evaluate> is there any way to host a project through git on launchpad or is bzr the only option?
[09:04] <dothebart> evaluate: I don't think there is a git option.
[09:04] <evaluate> dothebart, hmm, too bad...
[09:05] <dothebart> yea, me would like the git option better also.
[09:05] <dothebart> you can however make it clone a git repo.
[09:05] <dothebart> so... use github or whatever, and make launchpad run a bzr clone of it
[09:06] <dothebart> thats the way I do for citadel.org to integrate with the launchpad translations interface.
[17:24] <ElPasmo> Hi all, first of all, happy new year!!! I've been trying for several days adding a bugwatch to bug  692562. As I click the "also affects project" link I receive an error with the following ID: OOPS-1826K1261. Can anyone help me?


[15:02] <xnox> i'm slightly confused about plugin and pluginUI and ui_loops. ubuntuone page atm calls Gtk.main()  a few times and I think matching Gtk.main_quit() yet the plugin never finishes and the installer is not switching to the slideshow.
[15:02] <xnox> is there something special "the last page" should do?
[15:02] <xnox> or is it suppose to ever enter recursive main-loops in plugin and never in pluginUI?