[10:15] <pinPoint> tuggy: you have a point
[10:15] <pinPoint> ill try that tomorrow
[10:15] <CraZy675> wdh, I am using a live cd and i want to take my files from ntfs and put them on my ftp server
[10:15] <CraZy675> is gftp on the live cd?
[10:15] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, yea, sounds like some config was overwritten...
[10:15] <kosmos> hm
[10:16] <tuggy> Thats how I do my linux compatability testing ;)
[10:16] <wdh> CraZy675, as kosmos said.. try gFTP
[10:16] <michel> mozilla
[10:16] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, try running 'alsaconf'
[10:16] <kosmos> if, not the you can use ftp command on shell
[10:16] <zzyber> can someone explain or give direction where to read more about locales. Im going crazy. For more than a year i have had problems with files and invalid unicode, applications not showing my language (swedish) and so on. Whats the diffrent between utf-8 and iso-8859-1 and why is ubuntu using utf-8 when its not "compatible". What do ms windows use? Never had a problem with locales in windows
[10:16] <CraZy675> wdh, I don't think gftp is on the live cd
[10:16] <perhe> Hey, I'm trying to set up wlan, and I know next to nothing.. can someone tell me at least how to start checking if i got cards and software that i need ?
[10:17] <njs12345> does ubuntu use hoary?
[10:17] <kosmos> ftp [host]  [port]
[10:17] <aeolist_> ?
[10:17] <njs12345> oops
[10:17] <wdh> CraZy675, i dont care about what you think.. you can at least try
[10:17] <njs12345> I meant does ubuntu use alsa
[10:17] <njs12345> lol
[10:17] <aeolist_> yeap
[10:17] <tuggy> Ok I need to get to bed
[10:17] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, no alsaconf?
[10:17] <pinPoint> how do they come up with this names
[10:17] <pinPoint> warty hoary ubuntu
[10:17] <sabmoc> hmmm
[10:17] <pinPoint> eesh!
[10:17] <njs12345> nope
[10:18] <Ghost-nine> eh?
[10:18] <tuggy> pinPoint, they actually give explanations of the names in the wiki
[10:18] <membreya> pinPoint: animal names :)
[10:18] <pinPoint> gftp is not AUTHENTICATED?
[10:18] <pinPoint> what!!?
[10:18] <njs12345> the oss drivers are loaded but not the ALSA ones, if I remember correctly from my time with Gentoo
[10:18] <membreya> hoary hedgehog, warty warthog..grump groundhog (i think)
[10:18] <wdh> CraZy675, you can open it in nautilus probably: ftp://user:password@address:port
[10:18] <perhe> how can I check if my 'eth1' is working (wlan) ?
[10:19] <wdh> ifconfig eth1
[10:19] <membreya> perhe: go to a terminal and type ifconfig -a
[10:19] <tuggy> membreya, the next release is Breezy Badger
[10:19] <pinPoint> gftp is safe isnt it?
[10:20] <sabmoc> why not "Badger with gas"?
[10:20] <wdh> pinPoint, ftp is never safe :)
[10:20] <njs12345> Ghost-nine: have any ideas how I could fix my alsa?
[10:20] <tuggy> it means "fresh brisk and full of life"
[10:20] <membreya> i thought next release was grumpy
[10:20] <CraZy675> ok thnaks
[10:20] <themaxx> dizzie sugested me to visted http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive to get a mirror closer to me. Are these mirrors suposed to hve the array 7 ISO  ???
[10:20] <Amaranth> pinPoint: Not really, the FTP protocol isn't secure.
[10:20] <tuggy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20381
[10:20] <wdh> membreya, it is..
[10:20] <Ghost-nine> njs12345, i thought ubuntu used alsa
[10:20] <tuggy> that the announcement to the next release name
[10:20] <sabmoc> Ghost-nine, it does
[10:20] <Ghost-nine> then he should have alsaconf
[10:21] <pinPoint> wdh: Sftp?
[10:21] <sabmoc> alsa is the default sound driver for the 2.6 kernel
[10:21] <Amaranth> pinPoint: sftp would be good, yeah :P
[10:21] <wdh> pinPoint, sftp helps alot
[10:21] <perhe> ok, so eth1 is there then I guess, now if I want to use wlan, how do I start it ? i know username and what not for it.. ive installed wlan-ng and vpnc and tried around but can't figure it out
[10:21] <Amaranth> pinPoint: of course iirc sftp is just ssh + scp but it's still good
[10:21] <perhe> if I try to activate eth1 it deactivates itself automaticly
[10:21] <pinPoint> is there clients for ubuntu
[10:21] <njs12345> Amaranth: I thought sftp is ssh+ftp
[10:22] <membreya> perhe: check your dmesg
[10:22] <tuggy> G night everyone
[10:22] <pinPoint> tuggy: good night, ill be leaving too
[10:22] <sabmoc> bye tuggy
[10:22] <Gul3> hello. i'm trying to pair my nokia 6230 with gnome-phone-manager, but it fails because i don't know what password i should type on the 6230 when phone-manager asks for it! anyone?
[10:22] <sabmoc> yeah me 2
[10:22] <Amaranth> njs12345: you mean ssl+ftp?
[10:22] <Amaranth> Gul3: if you didn't set the password your provider did
[10:22] <pinPoint> any sftp clients anywhere
[10:22] <njs12345> Amaranth: turns out it is SSH+FTP
[10:22] <sabmoc> Gul3,  you want us to tell you your password? its 'booby'
[10:22] <njs12345> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_FTP
[10:23] <Amaranth> Gul3: did the phone come with a manual?
[10:23] <wdh> membreya, im confused.. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/releases/document_view
[10:23] <njs12345> oh
[10:23] <njs12345> maybe not
[10:23] <pinPoint> Gul3: default Nokia 12345
[10:23] <njs12345> it's not like FTP
[10:23] <Amaranth> secure ftp != sftp
[10:23] <membreya> wdh: what are you confused about ?
[10:23] <Gul3> Amaranth: it's the password gnome-phone-manager needs i need.
[10:23] <pinPoint> ?
[10:23] <njs12345> and it's not exactly like scp either
[10:24] <wdh> membreya, this states clearly that it will be grumpy groundhog..
[10:24] <Amaranth> Gul3: to your keyring?
[10:24] <njs12345> it's like.. fully encrypted ftp, but with more features than scp
[10:24] <membreya> that's right wdh
[10:24] <djp> morning world!
[10:24] <membreya> hey djp
[10:24] <Gul3> Amaranth: ?
[10:24] <pinPoint> so what client should i get for sftp then
[10:24] <wdh> membreya, then what about 'breezy badger'?
[10:24] <djp> Just woken up to a strange message in my mbox
[10:24] <membreya> wdh, tuggy said breezy badger..and he was wrong
[10:24] <Amaranth> Gul3: does the password say it's access your keyring?
[10:24] <pinPoint> what about Angry Monkeys
[10:25] <njs12345> pinPoint: I would have thought nautilus worked with sftp..
[10:25] <djp> Subject:  test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[10:25] <Amaranth> Gul3: err, the password dialog
[10:25] <pinPoint> njs12345: gui based?
[10:25] <njs12345> yeah
[10:25] <njs12345> it's like the file manager of GNOME
[10:25] <Amaranth> nautilus works with sftp, choose ssh as the protocol
[10:25] <djp> message as follows; /etc/cron.daily/slocate:
[10:25] <djp> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[10:25] <wdh> membreya, it looks like it is mentioned only a few days ago on the forums..
[10:25] <Amaranth> Places->Connect to server...
[10:26] <pinPoint> Places?
[10:26] <pinPoint> ???
[10:26] <djp> any ideas?
[10:26] <pinPoint> ah
[10:26] <membreya> hmmm, if daniels was here, he would clear it up :)
[10:26] <pinPoint> just new to it
[10:26] <pinPoint> hehe
[10:26] <njs12345> pinPoint: you are running GNOME, aren't you?
[10:26] <wdh> membreya, :)
[10:26] <Gul3> Amaranth: i think maybe you misunderstood my terrible sense of explaining.. lol. i start up phone-manager, try to connect to the phone via bluetooth, then the phone says: enter password. but i don't have that password.
[10:26] <wdh> membreya, never mind :) hoary will do for now
[10:26] <pinPoint> njs12345: no no no. sftp isnt on the list
[10:26] <Amaranth> Gul3: the phone does?
[10:27] <membreya> djp: go to a terminal and do a sudo slocate -u
[10:27] <Gul3> Amaranth: yes
[10:27] <pinPoint> sftp only in console
[10:27] <Amaranth> Gul3: i mean, it wants you to enter a password on the phone
[10:27] <Gul3> Amaranth: yeah, thats right
[10:27] <Amaranth> Gul3: try your user password, if that doesn't read read your phone's manual
[10:27] <njs12345> pinPoint: I tried this
[10:27] <njs12345> opened a folder on my desktop
[10:27] <njs12345> pressed Ctrl+L
[10:27] <njs12345> and entered sftp://ftp.gnome.org/
[10:27] <njs12345> and it worked like it should have done
[10:28] <Amaranth> wtf, ftp.gnome.org supports sftp?
[10:28] <Gul3> Amaranth: the phone's manual have nothing to do with this. it has to be the gnome-phone-manager.
[10:28] <njs12345> apparently
[10:28] <Gul3> Amaranth: but i can't find the documentation for the application
[10:28] <Amaranth> Gul3: I have no clue, thus the manual.
[10:28] <Gul3> Amaranth: ok.. but thanks anyway
[10:28] <Gul3> :)
[10:28] <Amaranth> Gul3: I think the phone wants a password to authorize sending the data to the computer.
[10:29] <djp> membreya: doing that...
[10:29] <Amaranth> Gul3: Which if you didn't set should be mentioned in the manual.
[10:29] <pinPoint> Gul3: you try 12345
[10:29] <Gul3> pinPoint: did not work
[10:29] <Amaranth> Gul3: I can almost guarantee it isn't gnome-phone-manager
[10:30] <Gul3> Amaranth: why? it is gnome-phone-manager who asks for the password.
[10:30] <Amaranth> Gul3: You just said it wasn't!
[10:30] <Amaranth> Gul3: Do you need to enter the password in the phone or on the computer?
[10:30] <djp> membreya: ok it has finished doing whatever it was doing. now what?
[10:31] <membreya> now djp ..nothing..it's created it's db file :)
[10:31] <Gul3> Amaranth: lol. g-p-m asks, but i have to type it in on the phone. lol. when gnome-phone-manager finds the phone it sends a password-request (?) to the phone.
[10:31] <Gul3> Amaranth: that i have to type in on the phone.
[10:31] <djp> membreya: so that message i recevied ahould have disappeared, right?
[10:31] <perhe> and what should I look for in dmesg ?
[10:31] <Gul3> Amaranth: do you see?
[10:31] <membreya> it won't happen again djp, no
[10:32] <membreya> djp, just to be sure, in the terminal type sudo -s, to do a cd /var/lib/slocate and see if slocate.db is there
[10:32] <Amaranth> Gul3: Ok, the password you use to sign in to the computer didn't work?
[10:33] <Gul3> Amaranth: this is standard "pairing" in the wonderful world of bluetooth. but i don't know the password gnome-phone-manager wants. maybe it is saved in an text file somewhere, but the application don't have man-pages:(
[10:33] <perhe> membreya, what should I look for in dmesg ? I see 'eth1: no IPv6 routers present'
[10:33] <membreya> perhe: look for a reason as to why it's not activating
[10:33] <Gul3> Amaranth: it has to be numric.
[10:34] <Amaranth> Gul3: 00000?
[10:34] <perhe> membreya, quite a list there, and I don't understand much to being with .. this thing is the only place I see eth1 mentioned i think though
[10:34] <membreya> perhe: do a dmesg |grep eth1
[10:34] <Smeven> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[10:34] <Gul3> Amaranth: no.. just a wild guess? lol
[10:34] <Smeven> what causes that error?
[10:35] <Amaranth> Gul3: That's the password for accessing specials things on some phones. ;)
[10:35] <UglyP> Hello, some help. Ive updated to Hoary, and now my XMMS wont work. Im sure I have all the correct libs, but it locks up when I start it. Anyone know what the problem is?
[10:35] <Gul3> Amaranth: ok. lol
[10:35] <membreya> UglyP: what happens when you run it from the terminal ?
[10:35] <perhe> membreya, yeah, only the one I told you .. 'eth1: no IPv6 routers present'
[10:35] <Gul3> Amaranth: but it did not work:(
[10:35] <membreya> hrm
[10:36] <UglyP> The exact same! Opens the window, when I click play, I get no sound and it locks up, have to kill the process.
[10:36] <perhe> membreya, where do i configure it with username and such for my wlan though ?
[10:39] <membreya> not sure sorry perhe
[10:41] <djp> membreya: sorry, disappeared, due to responsibilities for a certain 2 year old! was going to ask you what the message i received referred too?
[10:41] <membreya> slocate, it's akin to locate however it's "secure" meaning that it only searches files that you should have access to :)
[10:41] <Smeven> mount: RPC: Program not registered
[10:41] <Smeven> what does that mean?
[10:42] <themaxx> I finaly found a fast mirror to download an ISO. I would just like to know if the ISO dated on the 10th is the same as array7 ??
[10:42] <membreya> the message you received djp, means that slocate doesn't have an initial database created..the slocate -u that you did created that database
[10:42] <bob2> themaxx: check the md5sums
[10:42] <djp> membreya: ok, thanks
[10:42] <themaxx> :P Oups....  that was so obvious LOL :P sorry la hehehe
[10:42] <themaxx> Thanks :P hehehe
[10:43] <themaxx> I'm new to Linux and md5sums is not part of my computer cultur yet I guess :P
[10:44] <membreya> perhe: go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[10:44] <themaxx> (btw I tried  few distro before Ubuntu and I must say apt-get is a marvel!!!)
[10:45] <apokryphos> themaxx: it certainly is :). But note that many distros have it
[10:45] <perhe> membreya, thanks I'll check it out!
[10:46] <themaxx> apokryphos: I knew of its Debian origine but that was it ;)
[10:51] <comfrey_> hey all
[10:51] <comfrey_> anyone know about ignor trackpad while typint settings
[10:52] <aeolist_>  does anybody know how i can remove everything inside a [ ]  with vi?
[10:52] <djp> membreya: do i need to run the command that was reported as being run as a cron job? i.e., test -e /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily
[10:53] <membreya> nope, you should be fine :)
[10:53] <membreya> the file'
[10:53] <membreya> s
[10:53] <membreya> created now
[10:54] <lok> aeolist_, why do you use vi for such a thing ?
[10:55] <lok> use sed
[10:55] <bob2> sed will only work on single lines
[10:55] <lok> sed works one times on a line you want to say ?
[10:56] <membreya> i cringe to think how many base commands are built into linux ...and how many are actually used by everyday users :)
[10:56] <slept> which port is the cupsserver at ?
[10:56] <pc03> hi.. anyone with experience with libgphoto2 or gphoto2 on ubuntu.. i don't seem to be getting access to my usb camera.
[10:56] <slept> localhost:?
[10:57] <slept> pc03 : you can mount it
[10:58] <membreya> slept: cups is on 631
[10:58] <bob2> lok: no, I mean "it only works on single lines". vim could delete intervening text that spanned multiple lines.
[10:58] <membreya> slept: http://localhost:631/printers
[10:58] <slept> thanks
[10:59] <keffo> hm guys, one for all. what direct client to use in linux?
[10:59] <membreya> "direct client" ?
[11:00] <Ghost-nine> direct to what?
[11:00] <keffo> direct connect
[11:00] <keffo> sry, just woke up
[11:00] <membreya> oh, you mean DC :)
[11:00] <keffo> ofc ;)
[11:00] <membreya> ofc?
[11:00] <membreya> :|
[11:00] <membreya> damn acronyms!
[11:00] <keffo> of course
[11:00] <bob2> it's a random "file-trading" client
[11:00] <bob2> ala kazaa
[11:00] <keffo> ok, ill go poop.. when i gets back, i want a nice answer ;P
[11:01] <keffo> direct connect
[11:01] <Ghost-nine> membreya, yea, i hate remembering them too
[11:01] <pc03> slept.. wan-t to control the camera via gphoto2
[11:01] <keffo> its not really like kazaa
[11:01] <keffo> ;9
[11:01] <membreya> DC works off of "hubs"
[11:01] <lok> bob2, I don't understand on one text of some lines like [foo]  and [bar]  , if I use  sed s/"\[.*\] "/"\[\] "/ on it all the lines change to []
[11:02] <bob2> I don't understand your question
[11:02] <bob2> that's not what I was talking about before, tho
[11:07] <gabbana> Hi, is it "save" to remove ubuntu-desktop without loosing some functionality?
[11:08] <slept> gabana :apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[11:08] <apokryphos> gabbana: safe -- yes, of course. It's only a metapackage
[11:08] <Burgundavia> gabbana: yes and no
[11:08] <Burgundavia> gabbana: if you remove it and the devs change a package, then you won't get the change
[11:09] <Burgundavia> otherwise, yes
[11:09] <gabbana> Well, I have install XFCE and want to get rid of the gnome stuff (except for the gnome-volume-manager) because it seems to break some stuff here.
[11:09] <gabbana> *installed
[11:10] <apokryphos> gabbana: removing ubuntu-desktop won't remove anything
[11:11] <gabbana> Ok, while removing gnome packages synaptics told me that ubuntu-desktop would be removed as well - so it's ok. :)
[11:11] <echnaton> hi @all
[11:12] <spectrm> gabbana: what WM/DE are you planning on using?
[11:12] <echnaton> what about enlightenment dr17?
[11:12] <spectrm> echnaton: I love it...wouldn't use anything else
[11:12] <echnaton> me 2
[11:12] <spectrm> echnaton: but it's not for the faint of heart, quite yet
[11:13] <echnaton> yes youre right
[11:13] <spectrm> echnaton: you got the pager running yet?
[11:13] <echnaton> no i havent tried yet
[11:13] <spectrm> echnaton: enlightenment_remote -module-load pager
[11:14] <spectrm> echnaton: then go to your modules menu
[11:14] <apokryphos> gabbana: it is ok, yes.
[11:14] <gabbana> spectrm, I'm using XFCE 4.2
[11:14] <gabbana> I prefer performance over feature-rich environments.
[11:14] <echnaton> it have to install enlightenment dr17 an ubuntu! i installed it on fedora
[11:14] <spectrm> gabbana: okay...I guess I just don't know what's entailed in the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[11:14] <echnaton> spectrm
[11:14] <spectrm> gabbana: why not have both?
[11:15] <drasko_> Just wanted to make shure: is the jsdk1.5 the same thing as jdk1.5, since I can only find jdk1.5 on sun's site...
[11:15] <gabbana> It seems like some gnome stuff is breaking xfce for me. The desktop background won't apply, no context menu either and the taskbar also won't dock apps.
[11:15] <apokryphos> gabbana: one doesn't have to be sacrificed for the other.
[11:15] <spiral> hi
[11:15] <echnaton> spectrm: i only need gcc to compile enlightenment dr17?
[11:15] <spectrm> drasko_: jsdk will serve the same purpose as well as give more functionality for development
[11:15] <gabbana> apokryphos, it seems like it has to in my case. I wouldn't bother removing gnome otherwise. :/
[11:16] <spectrm> echnaton: well...you also need all the EFL packages
[11:16] <echnaton> yes
[11:16] <echnaton> i know!
[11:16] <echnaton> and gtk?
[11:16] <apokryphos> gabbana: don't know much about gnome; thinking of kde, myself.
[11:16] <spectrm> eww...kde..*shudders*
[11:16] <apokryphos> :P
[11:16] <gabbana> Well, I removed some gnome packages, left the ones relevant for evolution. I'll start a new X session and see how it works out. BRB
[11:17] <spectrm> echnaton: yes...gtk is still necessary for some packages
[11:17] <underlord> would a 100 mhz p1 system be enough to do voice recognition, not dictation, just to find a few specific phrases?
[11:17] <echnaton> ok i can make apt-get install gtk ?
[11:17] <spectrm> echnaton: but they're porting everything over to EWL, so it's won't be a dep for E packages for too long
[11:17] <underlord> if it were dedicated to doing that
[11:17] <spectrm> echnaton: might need gtk2 as well
[11:17] <echnaton> k
[11:18] <spectrm> underlord: meh...not sure, really...depends on the benchmarks of the recognition system
[11:18] <underlord> hrmmm
[11:19] <echnaton> what exaclty do i need? gtk-eniges???
[11:19] <underlord> because i have just such a system thats completly useless, and i think it would be realy cool to stick a mic in the roof light and have lighting, music, all that controled via voice, instead of ir remote or anything like that
[11:19] <spectrm> echnaton: there's a tutorial I found online...I'll link you to it...I think it has an ubuntu section on it
[11:20] <echnaton> cool
[11:20] <drasko_> spectrm, but there is not available jsdk1.5 for download on Sun's site, right? I can not find it...
[11:21] <motuline> Anyone have any idea why RealPlayer won't start
[11:21] <echnaton> because its shit^^
[11:21] <nmoore> motuline: i'm working on this just now, try killing esd
[11:21] <spectrm> echnaton: http://lude.net/edocs/ <- you'll have to hack through the debian install instructions, but it should make things a little easier to figure out
[11:21] <nmoore> motuline: there are locking problem with sound resources
[11:21] <echnaton> thank you very much spectrm
[11:22] <spectrm> drasko_: there is, but sun's site is really messed up...not very intuitive...best bet is to find a version of blackdown...it has a better sandbox for testing binaries anyways
[11:22] <omniscient> where are latex fonts kept?
[11:22] <motuline> nmoore: have you same thing with that.. (I click the icon but nothing happened.. or when I run it in terminal it just stay loading)
[11:23] <nmoore> motuline: the same, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-7017.html
[11:23] <motuline> I think that I need esd :)
[11:23] <spectrm> drasko_: but anything that says sdk includes the full jdk as well as a development environment
[11:23] <themaxx> I'm about to intall Ubuntu (Hoary). I have 7GB unprtitioned space for Ubuntu. My laptop has 512MB of ram... Classic question! How should I partition it?? I want to have Suspend-To-Disk....
[11:23] <nmoore> motuline: that should give you everything you need, although i haven't satisfactorily solved every problem
[11:23] <motuline> its only working sound device
[11:23] <motuline> I think
[11:23] <nmoore> motuline: alsa doesn't work?
[11:24] <potsed> hi all
[11:24] <motuline> xmms says that some other device block alsa.. or xmms crashes
[11:24] <spectrm> themaxx: I don't know much about suspend to disk or how big the ubuntu binaries are, but you should always have a seperate /home partition in case you b0rk the system
[11:24] <nmoore> try changing your gnome sound subsystem to alsa, you'll lose the parallel streams but gain realplayer if my experience is typical
[11:24] <spectrm> themaxx: doesn't hurt to have a seperate /boot partition either
[11:25] <nmoore> themaxx: i second the idea of a home partition, so much easier if you want to change distro
[11:25] <themaxx> well, I'm npt ready to have a 100% Linux system yet... I have tp learn my way around a bit more... so my user files are now still on my NTFS partions...
[11:25] <nmoore> themaxx: can you write to them?
[11:25] <potsed> i have a problem entering passwords in the terminal, in ftp cvs or anything it does not accept. anyone else had similar
[11:26] <drasko_> spectrm, but I really can't find this sdk version 1.5, only version 1.4. Sun is giving only jdk for 1.5?
[11:26] <spectrm> themaxx: okay...you're home partition should still be linux based, so I'd say 1 gig for home, 512 meg for boot and the rest for /
[11:26] <themaxx> I never found a way to under Linux...  so I usualy just copy from NTFS to ext3 back and forth :P
[11:26] <spectrm> drasko_: all you should really need is the jdk anyways
[11:26] <motuline> nmoore: Is there some way to uninstall RealPlayer in "right" way
[11:26] <drasko_> spectrm, thanks!
[11:26] <spectrm> drasko_: np
[11:26] <gabbana> Well, no luck. :/
[11:26] <spectrm> themaxx: how do you mean?
[11:27] <nmoore> motuline: i'd guess not, why do you want to uninstall it?
[11:27] <motuline> don't know
[11:27] <motuline> :)
[11:27] <potsed> anybody plz
[11:27] <spectrm> potsed: reinstall pam and pam-login after reinstalling shadow
[11:28] <themaxx> Well, I'm quite new to Linux and I'm not ready to wipe off my data from my NTFS to ext3 yet. So now I usualy just copy them with readonly from the OS I am..
[11:28] <spectrm> apt-get install shadow; apt-get install pam pam-login
[11:28] <nmoore> motuline: better working with it in-place, fiddling with sound should solve the problem
[11:28] <motuline> how can I remove .bin packages "right" way? do I just remove folders that the installer have made?
[11:28] <sirukin> hmm
[11:29] <nmoore> motuline: that's almost certainly all the installer did, so removing folders is fine, but i'd leave it to avoid problems
[11:29] <themaxx> and SWAP should be about at least 1 time my RAM right?
[11:29] <drasko_> spectrm, btw, what is supposed to be blackdown?
[11:29] <potsed> spectrm, thx im a newb with linux.. do i do an apt-get install pam ???
[11:29] <motuline> nmoore: I'll leave realplayer but i asked it for the future..
[11:29] <spectrm> themaxx: well...make your boot partition primary at 512megs, I always do swap 2x(physical RAM), home partition 1gig max, for your needs, and the / gets the rest
[11:29] <spectrm> drasko_: it's an OSS java implementation
[11:30] <spectrm> potsed: shadow is first
[11:30] <motuline> I'll try to install mplayer first.. and then solve realplayer problems ^^
[11:30] <themaxx> spectrm: Thanks! I will follow your advice ;)
[11:30] <spectrm> potsed: then apt-get install pam pam-login (it should handle two packages in the same command..shadow should be explicitely first_
[11:30] <spectrm> themaxx: np
[11:31] <themaxx> All right.. off to install I am! (H) later!!
[11:31] <Linuxsys> http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/308?ref=rssdebia
[11:31] <spectrm> themaxx: g'luck
[11:31] <Linuxsys> I found this article
[11:32] <spectrm> Linuxsys: that site also has a great article on securing apache
[11:32] <themaxx> hehehe I have trust in Ubuntu heheh
[11:32] <Linuxsys> It's about crushing a PC with a simple shellscript that runs unlimited processes
[11:32] <Linuxsys> And Ubunutu is affected
[11:32] <nmoore> Linuxsys: there are easier ways to crush a pc
[11:32] <spectrm> nmoore: yeah...install windows
[11:33] <potsed> spectrm: getting "Couldn't find package shadow"
[11:33] <spectrm> potsed: hmmm
[11:33] <Linuxsys> Yes, but I think this should be changed. As an administrator who knows about the problem it's no problem, but if a desktop user runs, eg an buggy program, Ubuntu will always crush when it runs into such a problem
[11:34] <spectrm> lemme flip through the ubuntu repo...anyone have a URI?
[11:34] <Linuxsys> It isn't only an security, it's also I think a problem in stability
[11:34] <spectrm> Linuxsys: most important thing is for users to know and be aware what their system is asking them to do
[11:34] <spectrm> Linuxsys: that's how that Sun/Firefox/IE problem propegated
[11:35] <lok> Linuxsys, I think they have multiple way to handle such things, maybe quota process or something else
[11:36] <spectrm> anyone have a URL for an ubuntu repo?
[11:40] <malte> spectrm, deb http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[11:40] <spectrm> malte: thnx
[11:40] <gbanay> after upgrading to hoary everything i type in GDM is in hebrew (should be english). how do i fix that?
[11:41] <marcel__> does ubuntu provide support for the Debian menu system?
[11:41] <spectrm> malte: you know what package shadow would be included in?
[11:41] <keffo> what ftp-clients best?
[11:41] <keffo> in your opinions
[11:42] <_4strO|Ult1m4t3> ++ all
[11:42] <spectrm> keffo: ftp
[11:42] <spectrm> keffo: cli rocks
[11:42] <nmoore> keffo: gftp is acceptable
[11:42] <keffo> ok
[11:42] <keffo> i dun like gftp at all .<
[11:42] <Rattboi> gftp kinda sucks
[11:42] <Rattboi> compared to like smartftp for windows
[11:42] <keffo> wich one should i use then ;P
[11:42] <spectrm> keffo: gnome-commander can be used as an ftp client and power-filebrowser
[11:43] <keffo> i want a app made for ftp so.. .<
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: multipaneled browsing and ftp
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: it handles the same as smartftp
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: two seperate panels
[11:43] <quartz> I just instaled win2000. How can i add it to Grub?
[11:43] <lok> if you use ftp just sometimes you can also use nautilus
[11:43] <spectrm> keffo: there's inherently no difference between handling FSs on an ftp mount as opposed to local mount...the system API is still the same
[11:44] <zzyber> if i connect to another linux (debian) with ssh i dont get swedish characters, is it a way round this?
[11:44] <gbanay> can someone help me? i cannot login because i can't type my username...
[11:44] <spectrm> zzyber: change the local specification for your shell in your home dir
[11:44] <csj> BTW, and is any gui ftp client cnould remenber that  unfinish download last time?
[11:44] <spectrm> zzyber: depends on the shell and flavor of distro, though...so check debian howtos
[11:45] <chickenman> hey every one :D
[11:45] <motuline> YEA.. Now mplayer-gui works ^^
[11:45] <zzyber> spectrm, i use utf-8 but i think the debian server is running iso8859-1 can that be the problem?
[11:45] <spectrm> potsed: can't see which package includes shadow...but if you reinstall pam and pam-login then log out and back in it should correct the problem
[11:46] <potsed> spectrm: k ill give it a go thx..
[11:46] <spectrm> zzyber: like I said, I think it's mostly in your shell rc file in your home dir...see if there's a ~/.bashrc, if not, make one and follow debian's method for making swedish characters in the shell, if it still doesn't work after that contact your network admin
[11:47] <malte> keffo, lftp! :)
[11:47] <zzyber> spectrm, okey, thx
[11:47] <malte> spectrm, 2 sec
[11:48] <potsed> spectrm: same prob .. "Couldn't find package pam"
[11:48] <spectrm> potsed: wow....that's strange as hell
[11:48] <spectrm> potsed: what DE/WM?
[11:49] <malte> spectrm, hum. apt-file can't find the packages that contains shadow
[11:49] <spectrm> malte: strange
[11:49] <spectrm> malte: I'd assume pam and shadow are used if it runs gnome
[11:49] <jintxo> hey guys, anyone got a script or pointers to one to set id3 tags based on filenames?
[11:49] <spectrm> hell..those are included by default, most times
[11:49] <iRob> try an app called EasyTag
[11:50] <spectrm> jintxo: easytag
[11:50] <jintxo> :-)
[11:50] <jintxo> thanks
[11:50] <spectrm> iRob: ;)
[11:50] <iRob> great minds think alike
[11:50] <potsed> spectrm: ??DE/WM??
[11:50] <niran> jinxto: i second the easytag recommendation, but i think it breaks on non english tags
[11:50] <niran> so dont run it over your whole collection, or some things might break
[11:50] <iRob> potsed, gnome
[11:50] <jintxo> I was trying to bake up a script with awk (or sed) and usind "id3" to set the tag.... kinda hard :-p lemme check out easytag
[11:51] <spectrm> potsed: desktop environment/window manager
[11:51] <iRob> jintxo, just trying out Audio Tag Tool...looks promising too...
[11:51] <jintxo> niran, thanks, it's just a few directories
[11:51] <potsed> spectrm: using gnome2 ubuntu warty 4.10
[11:52] <spectrm> potsed: gnome2??
[11:52] <Amaranth> 2.8
[11:52] <spectrm> Amaranth: okay...better
[11:53] <iRob> growisofs wont burn faster that 4x on my 8x DVD-R's....anything I should be setting/checking?
[11:53] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: System->Preferences->Keyboard?
[11:53] <spectrm> potsed: honestly, reinstalling shadow, pam and pam-login fixed it in FC3 and gentoo when it happened to me...if those packages aren't in the repo or are named something else, I honestly wouldn't know where to start
[11:53] <motuline> how i can make mplayer use esd sound device?
[11:53] <optika> motuline: see /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:54] <potsed> spectrm: thx for trying, appreciate it... i'll keep looking
[11:54] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth, I can't login to gnome. i must do everything from the CLI.
[11:55] <spectrm> potsed: maybe describe your problem to Amaranth or iRob...I'm just not familiar with ubuntu
[11:55] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: That isn't quite true. logging in through cli then running startx should get you to gnome
[11:55] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: first do sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure you have the right one set
[11:55] <Amaranth> spectrm: I don't go that low level. :P
[11:56] <spectrm> Amaranth: ah
[11:56] <tux> I have ubuntu hoary and I want to be warned of the bugs of the packages when I do apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade. How can I do it?
[11:57] <Chipzz> tux: dunnow if that is possible, but there is something else that may help you
[11:57] <Amaranth> tux: get a time machine so you can go back in time and tell yourself not to install those if they have bugs?
[11:57] <spectrm> isn't there an RSS feed for ubuntu updates and security patches?
[11:57] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: en_US.UTF8 is the default. startx gives me an error: user not authorized to run the x server.
[11:57] <Chipzz> tux: apt-listchanges, it shows you the changelog between the version currently installed and the version to be installed
[11:57] <Burgundavia> tux: when hoary becomes stable, there will a mailing list for security updates
[11:58] <Amaranth> tux: seriously, not possible
[11:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> should one edit xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 these days ?
[11:58] <spectrm> Amaranth: isn't there an RSS feed for ubuntu updates and security patches?
[11:58] <iRob> az[a] zel_ubuntu, xorg is you are using it.
[11:58] <sirukin> hoary?
[11:58] <Amaranth> spectrm: It wouldn't tell you if apt-get dist-upgrade would introduce new bugs.
[11:58] <Burgundavia> tux: you can also subscribe to the warty mailing list for security updates, anything is warty is also going to be updated in hoary generally
[11:58] <apokryphos> az[a] zel_ubuntu: xorg.conf is the one to go for; regardless of what x you're using
[11:58] <Burgundavia> az[a] zel_ubuntu: hoary=xorg warty=xfree86
[11:58] <apokryphos> (in hoary)
[11:58] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> cool thanks
[11:58] <spectrm> Amaranth: no...but you should always review all software updates before making the changes
[11:59] <tux> amaranth: I have installed the package apt-listbugs but I don't know how I can use it
[11:59] <Daelomin> hi everyone
[11:59] <Amaranth> spectrm: meh, i know what most of the packages do and have a live cd for system restoration if something breaks
[11:59] <Daelomin> glad I found ya :)
[12:00] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: en_US.UTF8 is the default. startx gives me an error: user not authorized to run the x server.
[12:00] <manchine> hoary loads emu10k1 for my old audigy but it fails to enable sound input. how can i workaround this?
[12:00] <spectrm> Amaranth: trusy liveCDs
[12:00] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: I saw, I have no idea.
[12:00] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: file a bug
[12:00] <Daelomin> manchine: do you see the volume move if u play an audio file?
[12:01] <spectrm> H0lyD4wg: are you running as root?
[12:01] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: i'll file one re:GDM, but in the mean time do you have any idea why can't i startx and what can i do to fix it?
[12:01] <H0lyD4wg> spectrm: no.
[12:02] <spectrm> H0lyD4wg: okay...then it sounds broken
[12:02] <manchine> Daelomin: sure, but only the output
[12:02] <spectrm> just had to ask since root should never run X
[12:02] <Amaranth> H0lyD4wg: Ok, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:02] <Amaranth> make sure the keyboard is set to english
[12:02] <manchine> Daelomin: input has no slide...
[12:02] <Daelomin> Can anyone tell me what this: mount: special device /dev/hd3 does not exist , refers to? The partition appears in a fdisk -l
[12:02] <Chipzz> Daelomin: you're missing a letter
[12:02] <Amaranth> Daelomin: hda3
[12:02] <scandium> manchine, I have the same problem, input doesn't work for me either
[12:03] <Amaranth> Daelomin: or hdb3, hdc3, hdd3, etc
[12:03] <Daelomin> hdb3 sorry
[12:03] <manchine> scandium: welcome :)
[12:04] <Daelomin> manchine: did you try running alsa?
[12:04] <manchine> Daelomin: no alsaconf command available
[12:04] <manchine> Daelomin: alsa-base is already installed
[12:05] <manchine> Daelomin: o i need something more?
[12:05] <raghu> anyone knows good document for NAS
[12:05] <scandium> manchine, alsa-utils
[12:05] <scandium> oh, that's not it either
[12:05] <manchine> scandium: it seems that it didn't help you much :)
[12:05] <Rattboi> I don't have alsaconf either
[12:06] <Rattboi> which package is it in?
[12:07] <scandium> I am also not sure wether I need "alsa" or "esd" in system->preferences->multimedia, both seem to make sense ;)
[12:07] <kresten> Hi everybody! Does any of you guys (or gals) know if there is a grafical ftp client bundled whith warty?
[12:07] <jintxo> kresten, try gftp see how it gies
[12:07] <jintxo> goes
[12:08] <Daelomin> Man ... this bug is a nasty one: did anyone encounter thispivot_root: No such file or dir /sbin/init : 429 : cannot open dev/console:  no such file Kernel Panic: attempted to kill init!
[12:09] <Daelomin> it's referenced in Bugzilla but I cant manage to fix it... and now I cant boot inside Ubuntu (using LiveCD now)
[12:09] <kresten> jintxo, yeah, well. I thougth of that too, but had no luck finding it on my machine... any suggestions?
[12:10] <Daelomin> kresten:did you install it with synaptic?
[12:10] <manchine> hehe
[12:10] <manchine> alsa-utils is already the newest version.
[12:10] <manchine> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 47 not upgraded.
[12:10] <manchine> manchine@cm46024:~$ sudo alsaconf
[12:10] <manchine> sudo: alsaconf: command not found
[12:11] <jintxo> kresten, you could install it...
[12:11] <manchine> i wonder where alsaconf is, after all...
[12:11] <motuline> no realplayer works
[12:11] <motuline> but i still have no sound in mplayer
[12:12] <motuline> yes
[12:12] <kresten> daelomin, Nope, tried with apt, but it said that there was som broken packages...
[12:12] <motuline> now i have sounds in mplayer
[12:12] <motuline> :)
[12:12] <motuline> skilz
[12:12] <Daelomin> kresten: ah well then its not installed ;P
[12:13] <Daelomin> kresten: any specific message?
[12:14] <motuline> Weird
[12:14] <motuline> :)
[12:14] <kresten> daelomin, Well I'm trying to resolve my dependencies now
[12:14] <motuline> xine uses esd, mplayer uses oss and now xmms uses alsa and it works
[12:15] <Daelomin> has anyone made K3B work?
[12:15] <joh> Hello, I'm wondering if it is possible to download all packages from the hoary main repositories so installing packages does not require me to download anything from the internet..?
[12:15] <mchasard> hi
[12:15] <kresten> Daelomin, But yes. It needed gftp-gtk and some other stuff, but im trying to resolve those dependencies now...
[12:16] <mchasard> hi
[12:16] <Daelomin> aight kresten, gl ;)
[12:16] <Rattboi> Daelomin, I use K3B
[12:16] <H0lyD4wg> Amaranth: thanks, that fixed it.
[12:16] <goldfish> mchasard: hi
[12:16] <kresten> Daelomin, thnx :)
[12:16] <mchasard> i just test kubuntu ..and i can't mount my other hard disk ...
[12:16] <Rattboi> all I did was use synaptic, looked it up, installed it, and it also installed a bunch of KDE stuff
[12:17] <Daelomin> Rattboi: did u have a problem with that goddamn cdrecord not being able to open the device ?
[12:17] <slept> where/how do I turn on direct rendering with fglrx
[12:19] <Daelomin> Rattboi: you didnt install cdrdao ?
[12:19] <Rattboi> Daelomin: possibly
[12:19] <spiral> hi back
[12:19] <mchasard> so for my devices which doesn't appear ?
[12:19] <Rattboi> whatever packages were dependancies for K3B, I installed
[12:19] <Rattboi> I'm not on that machine atm, so I can't tell you exactly
[12:20] <Rattboi> I just know it was really easy for me
[12:20] <Daelomin> k coz in my case CDRDAO wasnt in the dependencies
[12:20] <Daelomin> but it still didnt fix the problem
[12:20] <Daelomin> night man
[12:20] <membreya> night Amaranth
[12:20] <manchine> which package bundles alsaconf?
[12:21] <deFrysk> alsatools
[12:21] <deFrysk> i think
[12:21] <deFrysk> or alsautils
[12:21] <Daelomin> yeah alsa-utils
[12:22] <manchine> Daelomin: nope
[12:22] <Daelomin> which version are you running manchine?
[12:22] <manchine> Daelomin: that is already installed and no alsaconf whatsoever
[12:22] <Daelomin> did anyone run WMV succesfully yet?
[12:22] <Rattboi> same here
[12:22] <manchine> 5.04
[12:22] <Rattboi> same here, again
[12:23] <Rattboi> I'm running newest hoary, and I don't have alsaconf anywhere
[12:23] <Daelomin> weird, I had it ...
[12:23] <Rattboi> but I have alsa-utils installed
[12:23] <Daelomin> right now I cant help you though, coz I am trying to be able to boot back in :P
[12:24] <Daelomin> "trying to be able" == "you're struggling hard"
[12:24] <Daelomin> hehe
[12:24] <manchine> annoying, annoying
[12:24] <mchasard> is theres some automount on kubuntu ?
[12:25] <mchasard> i just see fstab and my other devices doesn't appear ...
[12:25] <slept> where can I find modconf
[12:26] <Daelomin> mchasard: did you do mount -a ?
[12:27] <mchasard> i try ...ok
[12:29] <deresh> hi to all
[12:29] <mchasard> theres allways nothing in mnt
[12:29] <deresh> i have a question related to isdn support in hoary
[12:30] <deresh> if anyone has a time to answer me :)
[12:30] <limaunion> after upgrading yesterday to Hoary the mouse cursor is differente, there a 'watch' and previously there was a more elegant circle and the same for the arrow, any idea to revert this?
[12:31] <Daelomin> mchasard: well is your fstab configured properly? do you see the partitions in fdisk ?
[12:31] <deresh> anyone ??
[12:31] <mchasard> how to launch fdisk ?
[12:31] <Daelomin> sudo fdisk -l
[12:32] <mchasard> ok i try
[12:32] <sparkyz> has anyone had any problems installing kubuntu on a Dell C800 laptop?
[12:32] <kaouete> sparkyz: try #kubuntu
[12:32] <mchasard> yes i can see my partitions
[12:32] <mchasard> with you command
[12:32] <mchasard> fdisk _l
[12:33] <sparkyz> okay ;)
[12:33] <Daelomin> so does mount -a give you any error messages??
[12:33] <mchasard> so how to mnt those partitions ?
[12:33] <kaouete> sparkyz: what is your problem ?
[12:33] <mchasard> no no error ...
[12:33] <kaouete> in fact, ubuntu and kubuntu share the same base, so i guess you can ask here
[12:33] <deresh> anyone know something about isdn support in kernel 2.6.10
[12:33] <cavediver> Anyone having problems downloading stuff from FF in hoary ?
[12:34] <cavediver> It has stop working all of a sudden.
[12:34] <slept> mchasard: fstab is no device, it's a file containing information for the devices . with cat /etc/fstab you can see if it's  inside
[12:34] <sparkyz> ok
[12:34] <sparkyz> erm
[12:34] <deresh> or i'm the only one using isdn here :)
[12:34] <sparkyz> basically on my Dell C800 laptop it does not install
[12:34] <sparkyz> on my desktop it is fine
[12:34] <Burgundavia> cavediver: known issue
[12:34] <sparkyz> but on my C800 during the base install it has some issue with init-rd dependancy
[12:35] <sparkyz> im performing base install again to get exact error
[12:35] <mchasard> yes i know but the line concerning the other devices are not here
[12:35] <cavediver> Burgundavia: ahh, thanks for that. You have a link to the bug-description?
[12:35] <mchasard> i have to add them ?
[12:35] <deresh> where has gone misdn support in kernel 2.6.10
[12:35] <motuline> does anyone have same problem with realplayer (plays video very slow.. sounds come before video
[12:36] <sparkyz> so I dunno if its to do with the laptop
[12:36] <AMIGrAve> after installing a new kernel (2.6.10-5-k7) Xorg can't use nvidia driver anymore. Should I purge and reinstall nvidia-glx package or just copy the nvidia.ko module from li/modules 2.6.10-4-386 to the new 2.6.10-5-57 ?
[12:36] <mchasard> dev/mapper/casper-snapshot / auto noatime 0 0
[12:36] <mchasard> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nosuid,nodev 0 0
[12:36] <mchasard> its the only things in the fstab file
[12:36] <Daelomin> what does fdisk give you?
[12:37] <Mpi> Hi! Ive just downloaded Ubuntu from its site. but I wonder, why is it Winrar and not Image?? I cant burn winrar as an image, can I?
[12:37] <mchasard> Disque /dev/hda: 6448 Mo,<PHONE_NUMBER> octets
[12:37] <mchasard> 255 ttes, 63 secteurs/piste, 784 cylindres
[12:37] <mchasard> Units = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> Priphrique Amorce    Dbut         Fin      Blocs    Id  Systme
[12:37] <mchasard> /dev/hda1   *           1<PHONE_NUMBER>+   b  W95 FAT32
[12:37] <mchasard> Disque /dev/hdb: 40.0 Go,<PHONE_NUMBER>0 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> 255 ttes, 63 secteurs/piste, 4865 cylindres
[12:37] <mchasard> Units = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
[12:37] <mchasard> Priphrique Amorce    Dbut         Fin      Blocs    Id  Systme
[12:37] <mchasard> /dev/hdb1   *           1        4865    39078081    7  HPFS/NTFS
[12:37] <superted> Mpi: tried to unrar the file?
[12:37] <Odysseus> Mpi: it is an image
[12:38] <Daelomin> so which did you want to install?
[12:38] <Mpi> No its not one Image, but a bunch of files
[12:38] <Odysseus> winrar just recognizes it as an file that's expandable
[12:38] <Mpi> no cues and bins
[12:38] <Odysseus> just open the dir in dos
[12:38] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> it should be a .iso
[12:38] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> burn with nero
[12:38] <Odysseus> and you'll see
[12:38] <mchasard> i'm want only use it for a live cd use
[12:38] <deresh> doesn't anyone know something about misdn and kernel 2.6.10??
[12:38] <Mpi> Odysseus: Oh yeah, of course. That makes sense
[12:38] <sparkyz> kaouete any ideas?
[12:39] <kaouete> sparkyz: none
[12:39] <sparkyz> dang :(
[12:39] <kaouete> sorry
[12:39] <Mpi> I just got confused :)
[12:39] <sparkyz> like I said the install is fine with my desktop :)
[12:39] <Mpi> thx
[12:39] <kaouete> sparkyz: try #kubuntu anyway
[12:39] <Odysseus> np
[12:39] <sparkyz> lol ubuntu is identical to kubuntu
[12:39] <superted> When is Hoary release date?
[12:39] <kaouete> sparkyz: did you search on the bugzilla or the forums of ubuntu.com ?
[12:39] <sparkyz> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde packages..
[12:39] <Odysseus> I'm trying to burn the iso-file of the 4.10 release with nero
[12:39] <sparkyz> yeah I did a search
[12:40] <Odysseus> and the following error occures: "entered block size does not correspond with image size"
[12:40] <sparkyz> I believe it might be hardware related..
[12:40] <Odysseus> Nero asks me to correct or ignore
[12:40] <sparkyz> not entirely sure.
[12:40] <slept> mchasard:  mount -t type(ntfs or fat)  /dev/hd...(a1 or b1)     /mnt
[12:40] <Odysseus> anyone an idea what to do?
[12:40] <kaouete> sparkyz: yes, it's why you can try this chan, maybe there is people there that are not here and who know
[12:40] <sparkyz> yeah I'm on both atm
[12:40] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Odysseus, check md5sum ... oh I don't know how to do that in windows
[12:41] <Odysseus> sparkyz: what's md5sum?
[12:43] <omniscient> anyone familiar with latex?
[12:43] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> Odysseus, checksum.. I was thinking your file might be corrupted.. comparing md5sum of what you have, to what is hosted on the ftp site would tell you if it's corrupted
[12:43] <sparkyz> erm
[12:43] <sparkyz> well I did an integrity check
[12:43] <sparkyz> but didnt check md5..
[12:44] <sparkyz> cant be the cd becuase I installed with the same cd on my desktop
[12:44] <sparkyz> desktop is installed fine and going great.
[12:44] <Odysseus> so, what's the easiest solution? just download the iso again?
[12:44] <sparkyz> yeah
[12:44] <sparkyz> :)
[12:45] <Odysseus> owkey
[12:45] <Odysseus> thx
[12:45] <HiddenWolf> I just burned a cd on my new nec3250, but graveman doesn't seem to work on a dvd
[12:45] <sparkyz> seems to be with ubuntu-keyring and ubuntu-base
[12:45] <deresh> anyone know something about misdn support in ubuntu???
[12:46] <sparkyz> says ubuntu-keyring is not configured and ubuntu-base requires unbuntu-keyring to be installed.
[12:46] <keyes> hello
[12:46] <devazion> Why is ubuntu releasing 2000 new releases all the time? Isnt the schedual a bit to tight? ;)
[12:46] <ogra> deresh, there is no upstream anymore, misdn is dead...
[12:47] <keyes> i've a problem with apt, probably a debconf pb : debconf: Problem setting up the database defined by stanza 5 of /etc/debconf.conf. (followed by syntax error) when using apt
[12:47] <keyes> how can I fix that ?
[12:50] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone know why I can burn cds in graveman but not not dvds? Is there something I need to install?
[12:52] <ogra> HiddenWolf, growisofs and friends
[12:52] <aileenmax> hello, i just installed hoary.... i cant seem to see the apache default page... ps ax shows the apache processes
[12:52] <ogra> HiddenWolf, look in the preferences "external programs" tab....
[12:54] <ogra> HiddenWolf, you also need enough space in the specified temp dir for the image...
[12:55] <HiddenWolf> ogra: that'll be the problem then.
[12:58] <manchine> alsa-utils in hoary 5.04 does not supply alsaconf. funny, funny, funny
[12:59] <manchine> bug, neglect or just some brand new policy? oh my...
[12:59] <HiddenWolf> ogra:do you know the package names of growisofs and friends?
[01:02] <Daelomin> manchine: "This Bug was tailored for you"
[01:02] <Daelomin> heh
[01:03] <manchine> Daelomin: at least one or to fellows overhere have reported the same
[01:03] <manchine> 2
[01:04] <manchine> besides me
[01:05] <membreya> WOOOHOOOO!!! new high score in crack-attack! :D
[01:05] <manchine> it's really a pain in the ass to switch back to mepis because of this irritant nothing
[01:05] <motuline> anyone knows why mine RealPlayer poke's (it mplayer and xine works great but realplayer wont work so good)
[01:06] <arturaz> hello. i've selected english when i've been installing ubuntu
[01:06] <arturaz> now how do i install aditional lanugages?
[01:06] <deresh> ogra: so what do i use for isdn now?
[01:06] <deresh> ogra: old isdn4linux or???
[01:07] <ogra> deresh, avm was nice enough to allow us to distribute their binary drivers....no idea for other manufacturers
[01:07] <membreya> doesn't anyone care that I got a new high score in crack-attack ? :(
[01:07] <toto> Hi! how to: desactivate network configuration at boot time and howto start interfaces manually in Ubuntu?
[01:07] <slept> arturaz: run base-config
[01:08] <deresh> ogra: i have Asuscom in-100 card ... it worked with old hisax and misdn hfcpci driver
[01:09] <slept> arturaz: base-config won't help - sorry
[01:09] <ogra> deresh, the only idea is to poke the misdn guys, they still have a mailing list, but didnt respond to any of our requests, misdn segfaults with 2.6.10
[01:10] <arturaz> slept, hmm. i took old debian approach and generated lt_LT locales, however when gnome boots it says it cannot use those
[01:10] <deresh> ogra: i see...i should try that..i would hate to have to leave ubuntu linux( its my favourite now :)) yust because lack of isdn support...
[01:10] <keyes> hello
[01:10] <ogra> deresh, another (bad) idea wouldbe to use the warty kernel
[01:11] <membreya> arturaz: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:11] <arturaz> i did that
[01:11] <deresh> ogra: yes i am using that now ( 2.6.8.x) version which has a misdn support ( im online with ubuntu now)
[01:11] <arturaz> generated locales
[01:11] <arturaz> however i can't use those
[01:11] <membreya> hrm
[01:11] <keyes> I've a problem at apt-get update : http://pastebin.com/260114 someone can help me ?
[01:12] <deresh> ogra: thanx for your answers....see ya later  i have to go now :)
[01:12] <ogra> deresh, bye
[01:12] <membreya> keyes: post ya sources.list
[01:12] <membreya> .lst even
[01:12] <keyes> ok
[01:13] <membreya> erm .list
[01:13] <membreya> im too tired
[01:13] <keyes> source.list : http://pastebin.com/260116
[01:14] <slept> arturaz:did you try install-language-locales
[01:14] <HiddenWolf> What is a good dvd burning frontend?
[01:14] <keyes> k3b
[01:14] <slept> Hiddenwolf: k3b
[01:14] <membreya> keyes: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ....that looks kinda incomplete to me :P
[01:14] <HiddenWolf> ubuntu > gnome
[01:14] <membreya> gnomebaker / graveman :)
[01:15] <slept> k3b works with gnome aswell
[01:15] <keyes> oops i've miss the end : warty-security main restricted
[01:15] <apokryphos> HiddenWolf: ubuntu > can run kde programs.
[01:16] <HiddenWolf> apoktyphos: Yeah, but I'd rather not install all the kde libs just to burn a backup
[01:16] <keyes> some good programs on KDE like amarok or k3b
[01:17] <keyes> an idea for my pb ? :s
[01:19] <slept> keyes: deselect update
[01:19] <keyes> ok
[01:21] <motuline> why the hell realplayer won't work properly
[01:24] <membreya> keyes: did finishing off your line fix the problem ?
[01:25] <Daelomin> bbl
[01:25] <slept> motuline: why do you want to use realplayer ?
[01:26] <motuline> I have couple of videos etc. what reguires realplayer
[01:27] <slept> motuline: totem will play them
[01:27] <motuline> ok
[01:28] <topyli> realplayer doesn't play nice with esd
[01:29] <motuline> I have realplayer launcher in menu.. how can I remove it
[01:30] <topyli> motuline: /usr/share/applications/realplay.desktop
[01:31] <motuline> argh.. when i try to open totem it says: Resource busy or not available
[01:32] <ogra> chickenman, the ground is not very solid i here (to many people) be careful
[01:32] <chickenman> :| what ?
[01:32] <topyli> membreya: no political debate here please :)
[01:32] <ogra> :)
[01:33] <membreya> :| topyli keyes ..as in the user..as in I'm waiting for a response from him :P
[01:33] <topyli> heh
[01:33] <topyli> my mistake. i read "keynes" :D
[01:33] <membreya> want some sauce for your foot topyli ? :)
[01:34] <topyli> salsa please
[01:34] <topyli> or chutney :)
[01:34] <topyli> awwww
[01:34] <membreya> ummm ....
[01:35] <ikaro> mojn
[01:36] <chickenman> :\
[01:36] <membreya> well done chickenman ..you discovered how to kill all forms of conversation :)
[01:37] <chickenman> hehe :D
[01:37] <topyli> heh
[01:37] <keyes> membreya, what ?
[01:37] <chickenman> i do that a lot ;)
[01:37] <membreya> keyes: did you fix the problem ?
[01:38] <chickenman> zzzzz......
[01:38] <keyes> membreya, yeah just now :-D
[01:39] <keyes> i've found the fix on usenet
[01:39] <membreya> and ..how ?
[01:39] <membreya> oh ok :)
[01:39] <usual> It's my birthday! w00t
[01:39] <sirukin> hehe
[01:39] <membreya> usual: ..noone cared about my new high score in crack-attack..noone will care about your birthday :(
[01:39] <keyes> Copying /var/lib/dpkg/status-old in place of /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:39] <usual> membreya: damn the man
[01:40] <ogra> membreya, how high ?
[01:40] <sirukin> hehe
[01:40] <usual> topyli: ahh ty
[01:40] <membreya> ogra: 801
[01:40] <ogra> usual, happy b-day
[01:40] <usual> chickenman: mmmmm
[01:40] <usual> ogra: ty :)
[01:40] <ogra> membreya, thats not bad
[01:40] <usual> I get alot of lag
[01:40] <usual> 204ms at the moment
[01:40] <membreya> i just HAD to beat aluminium angel ... >:( (default top score) ..but then the prick of a computer didn't save my high score..so I had to write it manually
[01:41] <Spooks> Hmm
[01:42] <usual> is fontconfig fixed in foary? I was going to upgrade but I don't know if the version I see in hoary is the broken one or if it was fixed
[01:42] <chickenman> foary ?? WTF :/
[01:42] <membreya> chickenman: it's the scooby do very of hoary :P
[01:42] <malte> heh
[01:43] <usual> roary
[01:43] <membreya> or maybe it's astro "ri roarge!"
[01:43] <usual> rut roh
[01:43] <membreya> hehe :P
[01:43] <chickenman> :={}
[01:44] <usual> Random Fortune: <SomeLamer> what's the difference between chattr and chmod? <SomeGuru> SomeLamer: man chattr > 1; man chmod > 2; diff -u 1 2 | less 	-- Seen on #linux on irc
[01:44] <membreya> :|
[01:44] <membreya> great...nerd jokes
[01:45] <thenuke> that was great
[01:45] <chickenman> ooops
[01:45] <usual> chickenman: me either, I am learning features in the KDE irc client'
[01:45] <usual> Random Fortune: Footnotes are for things you believe don't really belong in LDP manuals, but want to include anyway. 	-- Joel N. Weber II discussing the 'make' chapter of LPG
[01:46] <usual> Uptime: 10 hours and 42 minutes
[01:46] <membreya> 2 hrs 57 mins. beat that :P
[01:47] <chickenman> 2:14 :P
[01:47] <membreya> :P
[01:48] <usual> this irc client is nice
[01:48] <usual> I used to think xchat was the only one I liked
[01:48] <membreya> what client is it usual ?
[01:48] <usual> Konversation
[01:48] <membreya> KDE
[01:48] <membreya> gah
[01:48] <usual> appears to be the default in kde 3.4
[01:48] <az[a] zel> 23:18:25 up 31 min,  0 users,  load average: 0.13, 0.19, 0.21
[01:48] <usual> hey don't knock it
[01:48] <slurpas> whats the command to se the pid of xmms, if i wanna kill it? :=)
[01:48] <usual> I just installed it
[01:48] <membreya> damn! az[a] zel wins
[01:48] <usual> KDE 3.4 is 50% faster than it used to be
[01:48] <usual> very snappy
[01:49] <az[a] zel> slurpas, ps -Af |grep xmms
[01:49] <slurpas> ahh, thx! :D
[01:49] <chickenman> :|
[01:49] <az[a] zel> ps -Af | grep xmms | head -1 | gawk '{ print $2 }'
[01:50] <membreya> usual: next thing, you'll be running enlightenment :P
[01:50] <az[a] zel> kill `ps -Af | grep xmms | head -1 | gawk '{ print $2 }'`
[01:50] <membreya> stop it az[a] zel, you've proved your nerdiness
[01:50] <Kate> hello
[01:50] <chickenman> im learning python :P
[01:50] <az[a] zel> heh
[01:50] <slurpas> :P
[01:50] <usual> membreya: I ran enlightenment for years
[01:50] <usual> membreya: gnome was shitty up until very recent releases
[01:50] <az[a] zel> i used to hate gnome, but it's starting to come good
[01:50] <membreya> i've noticed by peoples opinions usual :)
[01:50] <Kate> can someone please tell me where i am and what i am doing? preferably without being obnoxious?
[01:50] <membreya> hi kate
[01:51] <membreya> kate: what seems to be the trouble?
[01:51] <usual> your in IRC
[01:51] <az[a] zel> heh this should be good
[01:51] <Kate> oh cool
[01:51] <usual> and you are chillenw ith all of us
[01:51] <Kate> thats a good thing
[01:51] <Kate> its a little hazy... opera wasnt being too clear about what was happening
[01:51] <usual> I told ya Konversation chickenman
[01:52] <chickenman> :| i like X-chat
[01:52] <az[a] zel> X-Chat is the r0x0r
[01:52] <usual> chickenman: so do I but I had never seen or used Konversation
[01:52] <Kate> i cant get the internet on ubuntu
[01:52] <usual> very nice
[01:52] <membreya> chickenman: yes but usual is being elitist :P
[01:52] <Kate> so im stuck using windows xp until i figure it out
[01:52] <usual> Kate: dial up?
[01:52] <az[a] zel> Kate, you're using the internet.. you're in IRC
[01:52] <Kate> lol
[01:52] <chickenman> kate , USB modem ?
[01:52] <az[a] zel> heh
[01:52] <membreya> Kate: pppoe
[01:52] <Kate> i know i was online but irc? this is new to me
[01:53] <Kate> mmm
[01:53] <usual> Kate: what sort of connection
[01:53] <Kate> dialup
[01:53] <az[a] zel> Internet Relay Chat
[01:53] <usual> eeek
[01:53] <usual> winmodem?
[01:53] <chickenman> ewwww dial-up
[01:53] <az[a] zel> uh oh, she probably has a winmodem
[01:53] <usual> heh
[01:53] <Kate> i know what irc is, i just havent used it before...
[01:53] <FallenHitokiri> Kate: what's the name of your modem?
[01:53] <Kate> please dont be mean... just because i have  a rubbish connection
[01:53] <Kate> let me check
[01:54] <az[a] zel> if it's lucent, there's a good chance for a driver, eh?
[01:54] <chickenman> kate , are you a girl ??
[01:54] <membreya> being mean is a part of life :P
[01:54] <membreya> chickenman: ..back!
[01:54] <az[a] zel> but didn't they close those drivers? You have to pay or something now
[01:54] <membreya> az[a] zel: yup
[01:54] <chickenman> :O
[01:54] <mallum> daniels, hey
[01:54] <FallenHitokiri> az[a] zel: there are chances for many winmodems
[01:54] <Kate> agere systems pci soft modem
[01:55] <chickenman> girls and linux just don't mix :O
[01:55] <Kate> yes chickenman, i am a girl
[01:55] <Kate> oh haha
[01:55] <Kate> males and explosives dont mix
[01:55] <slept> how old are you ???
[01:55] <chickenman> ooo i happen to have some explosives :P
[01:55] <Spooks> They do
[01:55] <Kate> lol
[01:55] <Spooks> It's just kinda messy
[01:56] <FallenHitokiri> chickenman: cut it out. i think my girlfriend would kick some asses if you want to compare skills... :p
[01:56] <az[a] zel> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
[01:56] <Kate> lol
[01:56] <chickenman> :\
[01:56] <az[a] zel> there are debian packages there, but I dont know if they'll work with ubuntu
[01:56] <Kate> ok
[01:56] <membreya> FallenHitokiri: ...the opinion of girls and linux don't mix will stand until one of them writes an OS :)
[01:56] <az[a] zel> heh, it's funny how they list apt as a source of getting those drivers.. but you need internet access for apt to work
[01:57] <Kate> oh haha
[01:57] <Kate> i say that alot
[01:57] <Kate> ok
[01:57] <Kate> will a regular dialup account work?
[01:57] <membreya> az[a] zel: you could use apt-proxy to get it off the net, or you could establish you own apt-source on a cd :)
[01:57] <spiral> hmmm... anyone here knows if smb is working on openoffice.org2 testing release update in hoary ?
[01:57] <membreya> Kate: yes :)
[01:57] <membreya> smb..OO.o2 spiral ?
[01:58] <membreya> what's a network system got to do with OO.o2?
[01:58] <Kate> cool
[01:58] <spiral> membreya: smb : somebody
[01:58] <az[a] zel> hmm the drivers for 2.6 kernels are beta only
[01:58] <membreya> az[a] zel: i meant apt-proxy to get it off the network
[01:58] <spiral> membreya: not samba
[01:58] <membreya> aaaah :)
[01:58] <membreya> stop mixing up acronyms, it's hard enough as it is!
[01:58] <spiral> membreya: all right, I'll try
[01:58] <Kate> so i get the debian one?
[01:59] <Kate> i need caffeine
[01:59] <Kate> brb
[01:59] <az[a] zel> Kate, wait, im not sure these will work
[01:59] <membreya> it's midnight..of course you need caffeine kate :)
[02:00] <slept> where can i switch direct rendering on for RV280 ?
[02:00] <az[a] zel> Kate,  for one, they're for the 2.4 kernel, you would be running 2.6.. 2) they're for debian, not ubuntu, 3) they might not be the right driver for your modem :)
[02:00] <chickenman> girls are soo dum (well most of them) i told one girl when she had a prob with windows to use format c: in dos and she DID IT! LOL
[02:00] <davix> how can i change my nautilus to load movies automaticly with xine and not with totem?
[02:00] <mjr> slept, it should work out of the box
[02:00] <membreya> davix: right click on one of the files, go to properties..and then go to the option for open with :)
[02:00] <mjr> slept, see the log file if there are problems
[02:00] <davix> tnx
[02:00] <usual> davix: right click on the movie and choose the the option
[02:00] <Chipzz> chickenman: try not misspelling dumb for starters
[02:01] <chickenman> ooops
[02:01] <slept> mjr : xorg log?
[02:01] <mjr> yes
[02:01] <membreya> nice slap down Chipzz :D
[02:01] <Chipzz> membreya: :)
[02:01] <crush> i recieved 2  free disks in the mail.  thanks guys. i have to install the HD one, soon. any pre-advice?
[02:02] <EddieX> Why is there two flash player, that will use same stuff from macromedia, one in universe and one in multiverse..  I used to have a d.bat in windows to do dir %1 ...some bastard at a lan replaced it with format /q /u |y ....thank god for CTRL+C
[02:03] <davix> membreya, how can i tell my firefox to do the same thing, as it automaticly uses totem :/
[02:03] <mjr> chickenman, totem
[02:03] <chickenman> ok
[02:03] <xerox> Is there any documentation about USB modems on ubuntu? I need to explain to a friend how to connect with it, but I don't know how he can do it.
[02:03] <spiral> so, any new about ooo2 ?
[02:03] <mirak> I want to install a bootloader on my hard drive from a live cd, how can I do that ? I use lilo
[02:03] <slept> mjr: how is the kernelmodule called I need ?
[02:03] <membreya> not sure sorry davix .. i don't use firefox if possible :(
[02:04] <davix> tnx membreya
[02:04] <chickenman> xerox , USB modem do NOT work with linux
[02:04] <Chipzz> membreya: :)
[02:04] <membreya> wait no..d.bat did dir %1 /p /w :)
[02:04] <xerox> chickenman: no way? It's an US Robotics one :(
[02:05] <slept> chickenman : thats wrong, they do work
[02:05] <slept> some
[02:05] <xerox> slept: oh good!
[02:05] <Kate> ok im back
[02:05] <membreya> wb Kate :)
[02:05] <chickenman> xerox , unless you can run it on ethernet your going to have a hard job working it
[02:05] <Kate> thanks membreya
[02:05] <Kate> ok
[02:05] <xerox> slept: what can I do?
[02:05] <Kate> so which do i download?
[02:06] <chickenman> xerox , Write a driver file or somethink
[02:06] <xerox> chickenman: that's bad, I need to explain to one that have never see linux before how to connect.
[02:06] <chickenman> xerox , does it have an ethernet port ?
[02:06] <darksatanic> Anyone else having trouble logging in to the shipit page on the website?
[02:07] <darksatanic> I've not used it before,
[02:07] <xerox> chickenman: let me ask him
[02:07] <darksatanic> I put my email address and a password in,
[02:07] <darksatanic> and it tells me the combination is invalid...
[02:07] <ogra> xerox, there are lots of usb modem drivers in ubuntu, write a mail to ubuntu-users, i'm sure someone can help
[02:07] <chickenman> xerox , it's like a phone plug but bigger
[02:07] <xerox> chickenman: I know, but I'm not in his house at the moment :
[02:07] <xerox> :|
[02:08] <ogra> xerox, just provide all the technical details in the mail
[02:08] <Mpi> I tried to install Mandrake but something went wrong during the installation, and screwed up the bootloader. I need to fix this before I can install Ubuntu. Anyone who can help?? Please PM then...
[02:08] <chickenman> xerox , well if it is ethernet just get a plug and plug it into the nic card in the back or go buy one around 5
[02:08] <membreya> Kate: the agere systems pci soft modem should be detected automatically in ubuntu
[02:08] <membreya> in the network settings, did you check there for modem connection ?
[02:08] <Kate> it just wont connect
[02:08] <xerox> chickenman: no rj45 port.
[02:08] <chickenman> mmmm
[02:08] <Kate> all my settings are right
[02:09] <membreya> hmmmm
[02:09] <membreya> does it dial ?
[02:09] <chickenman> xerox , need a new ethernet modem
[02:09] <xerox> ogra: hm, let it be the last canche
[02:09] <xerox> chickenman: I can force him to buy another modem :)
[02:09] <Kate> but whenever i use pon it just comes up with another line
[02:09] <usual> what repos has libdvdcss2 again?
[02:09] <chickenman> xerox , good :)
[02:09] <az[a] zel> Kate, I've read that this driver can work with agere soft modems, but not sure... http://www.smlink.com/objects/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[02:09] <xerox> chickenman: CAN'T, err :)
[02:09] <membreya> what point DOES the connection get to Kate ?
[02:10] <chickenman> xerox , i tryed my USB modem but they diden't work but i had an ethernet plug as well :0
[02:11] <xerox> It seems there is linux support from US Robotics itself.. let me check deeply.
[02:11] <membreya> so how was the weather up in queensland today Kate ?:)
[02:11] <az[a] zel> Kate, this will require building a driver, which means gcc and kernel sources are required.. which aren't on the ubuntu CD's as far as I know.. so this is getting pretty tricky...
[02:11] <Kate> it doesnt do anything
[02:11] <xerox> http://www.usr.com/support/9000/9000-linux-ug/Installing%20the%20modem.html
[02:11] <chickenman> xerox , you mite be able to work it but i still think ethernet is better
[02:11] <Kate> how do u know im in Queensland?
[02:11] <xerox> chickenman: I think eth is better too.
[02:11] <membreya> :D
[02:12] <membreya> people on the internet get very bored, very quickly Kate :)
[02:12] <Kate> oh ubuntu forums?
[02:12] <spiral> hmmmm, at least, do you know who works on openoffice2 packaging ?
[02:12] <membreya> Kate: not at all, just by your IP :)
[02:13] <xerox> chickenman: it gives support, but it's a mess, hmpf :|
[02:13] <Kate> i dont want to know....
[02:13] <chickenman> membreya , how do you trace ip's ?
[02:13] <ogra> spiral, Chris Halls (haggai)
[02:13] <chickenman> xerox , yea best off with eth
[02:13] <membreya> chickenman: go to Applications > System Tools > Network Tools
[02:13] <daniels> mallum: hey dude
[02:13] <xerox> chickenman: it probably will stop him from taking linux in consideration :(
[02:13] <membreya> xerox: the modem she's talking about is PCI, not USB
[02:14] <xerox> membreya: who?
[02:14] <Kate> im not used to linux
[02:14] <chickenman> xerox , yea but it's not like it will cost to much
[02:14] <membreya> xerox: kate
[02:14] <Kate> yes?
[02:14] <Kate> lol
[02:14] <membreya> oh
[02:14] <az[a] zel> Kate, when your hardware is not supported (easily), it can be quite tricky to get going
[02:14] <membreya> nevermind xerox ....
[02:15] <membreya> you were talking to chickenman
[02:15] <Kate> oh no...
[02:15] <membreya> az[a] zel: ...the modem IS supported in ubuntu
[02:15] <az[a] zel> membreya, oh
[02:16] <Kate> none of my friends are exactly competent with os other than mac or windows either, so the ubuntu community is about all ive got
[02:16] <membreya> az[a] zel: ..actually..no it's not
[02:16] <membreya> but the drivers are here http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/kernel-2.6/
[02:17] <Kate> have we decided whether my modem is supported yet?
[02:17] <membreya> lol sorry Kate, it isn't but I've given you a link to the download
[02:17] <Kate> or is there going to be a pay-per-view worthy debate?
[02:17] <membreya> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/archive-fifth/msg00584.html will give you instructions (it's off a forum, but it works you just need to read through some crap)
[02:17] <Kate> lol
[02:17] <membreya> shush Kate
[02:17] <Kate> ok
[02:17] <Kate> sorry
[02:17] <membreya> bugger off chickenman :P
[02:18] <chickenman> :D
[02:18] <Kate> im not used to talking to intelligent people
[02:18] <membreya> don't make me ping flood your arse :P
[02:18] <chickenman> hehe
[02:18] <membreya> damn, you're on cable too :|
[02:18] <az[a] zel> membreya, no I dont think those ones work for soft modem.. at least that's what I've read
[02:18] <membreya> hrm
[02:18] <az[a] zel> membreya, but I read that smart link drivers work
[02:19] <az[a] zel> membreya, http://www.smlink.com/objects/slmodem-2.9.10.tar.gz
[02:19] <membreya> why can't people just have hardware that works :|
[02:19] <Kate> lol
[02:19] <Kate> then you wouldnt need to upgrade as often :)
[02:19] <az[a] zel> membreya, but ubuntu doesnt come with gcc and kernel sources does it? so it's going to be bloody hard to get a compiled driver happening, unless somebody else compiles and builds a package for her
[02:20] <membreya> i would compile it for her, but I'm on an amd64 :)
[02:20] <Kate> again, i dont want to know...
[02:20] <membreya> god chickenman ..your routing takes you all over the world..
[02:21] <membreya> Kate: if you "don't want to know" then you're going into the wrong sort of OS sorry to say
[02:21] <Kate> i know
[02:21] <Kate> lol
[02:21] <robodex> wow, compositing works VERY well on xfce using xcompmgr... I'm running on a 667 with a 32mb GeForce2 with NO slowdown :D
[02:21] <Kate> im just out of coffee, so im drinking tea
[02:21] <Kate> so im a little slow right now
[02:22] <Kate> well, slower than usual
[02:22] <chickenman> :D
[02:22] <az[a] zel> membreya, same, and im running hoary.. the person that does it has to be running the exact same kernel revision as her
[02:22] <az[a] zel> Kate, go and purchase and external serial modem :)
[02:22] <gerardo> hey guys, how i can to change my locales?
[02:23] <az[a] zel> Kate, about $70AUD
[02:23] <Kate> ok, lets asume im a very broke highschool student
[02:23] <az[a] zel> Kate, steal one
[02:23] <membreya> gerardo: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:23] <membreya> ooo a teenager :P
[02:23] <slept> I want to burn mp3 - audio cd's with k3b, but I don't have kde install , how is the package called I need for mp3 encoding
[02:23] <Kate> its not my fault im the age i am!
[02:23] <az[a] zel> Kate, or buy second hand off somebody who just got ADSL or something
[02:23] <gerardo> membreya, oks.
[02:24] <az[a] zel> Kate, external serial modem will work straight away with any linux distribution
[02:24] <membreya> gerardo: obviously run that as a sudo :)
[02:24] <Kate> ok, lets assume that im not allowed to make any hardware changes :'(
[02:24] <membreya> Kate: you could always ask your folks for the money :P
[02:24] <membreya> Kate: then ask your parents for a modem router :P
[02:24] <Kate> because we only have one computer...
[02:24] <membreya> one ...computer..
[02:24] <Kate> and noone in my family trusts me
[02:24] <membreya> oh you're one of "them"
[02:24] <Kate> i know
[02:24] <az[a] zel> Kate, they wont notice if you plug a modem into it.. just hide it under the desk or something ;)
[02:25] <az[a] zel> winmodems should die a painful death
[02:25] <membreya> i think we should start the "let's buy Kate a modem" fund
[02:25] <zenwhen> agreed
[02:25] <Kate> my external modem never worked and never will
[02:25] <Kate> lol
[02:25] <gerardo> membreya, when i try to apt-get instal artwiz-fonts this automally install it?
[02:25] <az[a] zel> Kate, you have an external modem?
[02:25] <membreya> not sure on that one gerardo
[02:25] <gerardo> oks
[02:25] <Kate> yes, but its not worth mentioning as it doesnt work
[02:25] <zenwhen> Lets buy Kate a USR 5610B
[02:25] <zenwhen> lol
[02:26] <membreya> let's just sponsor her for cable :)
[02:26] <az[a] zel> Kate, if it's a serial modem.. you could always try.. no harm eh?
[02:26] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how to wipe a savd session?
[02:26] <oris_wolfbane> *saved
[02:26] <zenwhen> not everyone can get cable
[02:26] <az[a] zel> ADSL
[02:26] <Kate> i have exactly $32 AUD to my name
[02:26] <zenwhen> cable is far from 100% worldwide saturation
[02:26] <membreya> Kate: you're half way there then :)
[02:26] <az[a] zel> can get $30/month ADSL with Internode in QLD
[02:26] <az[a] zel> $125 for modem, $129 for installation
[02:26] <oris_wolfbane> does anyone know how to wipe a savd session?
[02:26] <membreya> internode..don't even mention their name..they've caused no end of headaches at work :'(
[02:27] <az[a] zel> I <3 internode
[02:27] <jedi> hey guys. my friend just someone uninstaled most of his packages during a botched hoary upgrade... is there any virtual package (or similar) i can apt-get install to get the default packages back?
[02:27] <robodex>  has anyone else noticed this error when running synaptic? It sitll works but it's kinda weird:
[02:27] <zenwhen> jedi, go back to warty sources and install ubuntu0desktop and ubuntu0base again
[02:27] <zenwhen> jedi, go back to warty sources and install ubuntu0desktop and ubuntu0base areplace those 0's with -'s
[02:27] <robodex> err nm
[02:27] <membreya> i do internet banking support, internode recently purchased a set of reserved IP's that the Bank had blocked...most of our internode customers couldn't get on >:(
[02:28] <Kate> ive tried asking nicely, begging, screaming, silence, missing user accounts and still i havent got my own computer
[02:28] <az[a] zel> membreya, not internodes fault
[02:28] <admin0> hi all ..  are there special nvidia drivers available in ubuntu for my nvidia fx 5200 card ?
[02:28] <Kate> or even a decent connection
[02:28] <topyli> hmm. i didn't know AUD is this weak, about 0.6 EUR
[02:28] <membreya> az[a] zel: i know, well ..it was..they purchased the IP's :P
[02:28] <topyli> Kate: you still are wealthier than me :)
[02:28] <Kate> lol
[02:28] <az[a] zel> membreya, yeah, but doesn't mean they aren't a quality ISP.. they have an ubuntu mirror on the non-metered list :)
[02:29] <zenwhen> admin0, "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings" edit the word "nvidia" into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:29] <Kate> im considering arson
[02:29] <Kate> lol
[02:29] <membreya> az[a] zel: didn't say they weren't good..just said they caused headaches :P
[02:29] <slept> jedi: dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall will tell you what you are missing
[02:29] <admin0> thanks zenwhen :)
[02:29] <membreya> especially since our e-commerce department didn't tell us because they thought they could fix it in time :|
[02:29] <jedi> zenwhen: slept: thanks guys
[02:30] <az[a] zel> Kate, find the modem chipset, and short a few pins so it no longer works.. then they will ahve to buy a new modem.. make sure they buy an external serial modem
[02:30] <monteiro> anyone knows how to save the settings that i've change in hdparm ?
[02:30] <Kate> lol
[02:30] <membreya> monteiro: edit your /etc/hdparm.conf
[02:30] <Kate> she wont because shes kinda broke right now
[02:30] <Kate> im trying to find a part time job though
[02:30] <admin0> hdparm -s ?
[02:30] <chickenman> Kate , or set fire to your pc then you will get a new one ;)
[02:30] <Kate> even another $60 a week would make a difference
[02:30] <Kate> lol
[02:30] <az[a] zel> Kate, what about computer flea markets near you? you might be able to pick up an old 56k serial modem for like $5 - $10
[02:31] <az[a] zel> Kate, I gave mine away to my g/f's parents for nothing
[02:31] <topyli> Kate: someone must sell you a used serial modem for USD 10
[02:31] <Kate> ok
[02:31] <topyli> i would, i even have one :)
[02:31] <Kate> hang on, let me check the 'drawer of curiosity'
[02:31] <admin0> wouldn't ubuntu support an internal modem ?
[02:31] <admin0> in an easy way
[02:31] <Jalal> hi all
[02:31] <az[a] zel> admin0, not that one..
[02:32] <_mepis_lover> moin
[02:32] <membreya> admin0: hdparm -s is not a valid option
[02:32] <admin0> oops
[02:32] <admin0> hold
[02:32] <topyli> admin0: a hardware modem yes, but internal ones almost never are real modems
[02:32] <siretart> hi
[02:32] <Kate> ive got a spare internal modem
[02:32] <Kate> lol
[02:32] <monteiro> membreya : tks :)
[02:32] <Kate> u never know what you'll find in my room
[02:32] <Zotnix> admin0, seems companies wanted to save pennies and modems require software to run -- software only made for Windows. (It's awful)
[02:32] <siretart> I'm searching for an installation image with current hoary
[02:33] <chickenman> my old 56K modem is on a shelf getting dusty would you like it Kate :)
[02:33] <siretart> can somebody provide me with a working jigdo file?
[02:33] <Kate> that along with a couple of tapes of Star Trek Voyager and my copy of Dreamcatcher...
[02:33] <Kate> its a 56k modem
[02:33] <zenwhen> the best real internal modem that IS a hardware modem is the USR 5610B
[02:33] <Kate> lol
[02:33] <az[a] zel> eww Voyager
[02:33] <siretart> or (second choice) a working torrent?
[02:33] <membreya> chickenman: different phone line standards..yours won't work in aus :)
[02:33] <chickenman> :O eh right
[02:33] <zenwhen> :O
[02:33] <Kate> .....
[02:34] <admin0> hdparm -k 1 will set the keep_setting over reset flag :)
[02:34] <admin0> hdparm -k 1
[02:34] <admin0> is what i think
[02:34] <az[a] zel> Kate, try installing the other internal and see if ubuntu picks it up.. if not, it's probably yet another software modem, doh
[02:34] <az[a] zel> 99.9% of internal modems are pieces of crapola
[02:34] <Kate> i dont know if i can do that...
[02:34] <chickenman> LOL
[02:35] <Kate> i suppose my mum'll be out all day tomorrow though
[02:35] <chickenman> hehe i take my computer to bit all the time :P
[02:35] <az[a] zel> Kate, easy, turn off  the machine, undo screws, take off case, find white slot, unscrew end thingy, plonk card in, screw it in, boot up... if you here nothing but beeps, then panic, heh
[02:35] <Kate> ive never pulled it apart before though
[02:36] <Kate> by chance, however
[02:36] <chickenman> all my power supply wires are taped togeather
[02:36] <chickenman> :P
[02:36] <Kate> i have borrowed a copy of 'repairing and upgrading pcs'
[02:36] <Kate> for dummies or something
[02:36] <az[a] zel> that should help
[02:36] <Kate> a bit of light reading
[02:36] <Kate> lol
[02:36] <will> Kate: ask a 'teckie' friend to do it 4 ya
[02:37] <PlasmaPain> dont you just love irc ?
[02:37] <chickenman> ill do it for you ;)
[02:37] <Kate> i dont really have any teckie friends
[02:37] <topyli> just lucky
[02:37] <will> how do you spekk teckie?
[02:37] <chickenman> how old are you Kate ?
[02:37] <will> spell even
[02:37] <Kate> early teens....
[02:37] <az[a] zel> Kate, what made you want to try Linux? you don't sound like a computer nerd, heh
[02:37] <Kate> very early teens....
[02:37] <chickenman> oooo im 14 :P
[02:38] <Kate> im 14-ish
[02:38] <will> its good to see australian girls playing with linux!
[02:38] <chickenman> ill be right round to help
[02:38] <Kate> windows is boring, and macs i have fights with
[02:38] <daniels> guys, let's try to keep it clean and just focus on the actual helping people, yeah? :)
[02:38] <motuline> I Think that i screwd up
[02:38] <motuline> :DD
[02:39] <PlasmaPain> im 3and a half and i can already sell !
[02:39] <az[a] zel> although since 10.3.8 it's been a bit buggy
[02:39] <motuline> fuck
[02:39] <PlasmaPain> o mean spell
[02:39] <chickenman> :D
[02:39] <motuline> I removed xine and synaptic removed almost everything installed
[02:39] <Tomcat_> az[a] zel: You can install Ubuntu on an iBook *hint* *hint* :D
[02:39] <motuline> noni
[02:39] <zenwhen> You lovebirds can love in #ubuntuforums if you wish ;)
[02:39] <topyli> microsoft spel cheker vor sale. vorks grate!
[02:39] <az[a] zel> Tomcat_, yeah but wireless doesn't work, and sleep/resume doesn't work.. so what's the point? :)
[02:39] <motuline> fuckin shit
[02:39] <motuline> :DD
[02:39] <cocol> what are the expiriences with kde3.4 as default?
[02:40] <kev0r> hi there, i've ordered some CD's 2 weeks ago or something
[02:40] <kev0r> still no packet arrived
[02:40] <motuline> oh my fuckin god
[02:40] <will> does anyoine have issues with ac97audio?
[02:40] <daniels> er, guys, language?
[02:40] <will> motuline:watch the language :)
[02:40] <optika> kev0r: as I understand it, they're only going to be shipping CDs when they've finished Hoary, best estimate seems to be mid-April. ICBW.
[02:40] <chickenman> what did you fucking say i can't hear ?
[02:40] <kev0r> will: buy another card
[02:41] <daniels> chickenman: dude, language, please.
[02:41] <chickenman> :D
[02:41] <kev0r> so i'm getting Hoary cd's in stead of Warty
[02:41] <kev0r> nice :)
[02:41] <will> kev0r:its built in and i earn 1 swedish crown a month
[02:41] <motuline> will: I removed most of the packages from my system with synaptic.. accidentataly
[02:41] <gerardo> hey guys, anyone have driver 6111 for kernel 2.6.10 ?
[02:41] <chickenman> warty is much better me thinks
[02:41] <motuline> including gnome
[02:41] <Tomcat_> az[a] zel: I wouldn't install anything other than OSX on a Mac anyway *runs*
[02:41] <kev0r> oh will that's 2 bad, you should get some emu10k1 chipset card, they are the best imo
[02:42] <topyli> motuline: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and you're back where you started
[02:42] <kev0r> for linux that is, alsa seems to really like that card :)
[02:42] <will> motuline: just use apt-get (to get em back!
[02:42] <kev0r> will; Soundblaster Live! 5.1 or a 1024
[02:42] <az[a] zel> Tomcat_, OS X is great :)
[02:42] <chickenman> chickenman.zapto.org
[02:42] <kev0r> should not cost that much
[02:42] <motuline> synaptic package manager removed all
[02:42] <motuline> argh
[02:42] <will> is anyone else aware of the issues with the ac97 and linux/unix in general?
[02:42] <motuline> Is more easily to format
[02:42] <motuline> ->
[02:42] <PlasmaPain> any one has an ssh server so i cant try ssh out ?
[02:43] <topyli> motuline: no it didn't. you did :)
[02:43] <will> they are HUGE and no one has done a damn thing about it
[02:43] <motuline> see you in next life :D
[02:43] <motuline> ->
[02:43] <slept> PlasmaPain: you can ssh your own ip
[02:43] <chickenman> brb food :P
[02:43] <PlasmaPain> thats like ... cheating
[02:43] <speel> lol
[02:44] <topyli> PlasmaPain: try something like kruuna.helsinki.fi. you can't log in but will see if it works
[02:44] <nicc> hi
[02:44] <speel> hi
[02:44] <PlasmaPain> hi
[02:44] <topyli> lo
[02:45] <setite> haha to you
[02:46] <setite> i knew 5.1 preview would be released by march
[02:46] <chickenman> :P
[02:46] <setite> but why is the 64 torrent dead
[02:48] <setite> KUBUNTU!!!
[02:48] <setite> NO!!!!!
[02:48] <chickenman> !!ewwwwwwwwwww!
[02:48] <setite> THE UBUNTU NAME HAS BEEN DESTROYED
[02:48] <setite> kde coodies
[02:48] <jason> eewwww
[02:49] <setite> on the other hand
[02:49] <cocol> setite , ubuntu=human
[02:49] <da_root> how can i connect to a network printer?
[02:49] <Kate> bye
[02:49] <setite> would kubuntu not suffer the horrible XICE.Authority problem
[02:49] <Kate> thanks for your help
[02:49] <cocol> kubuntu=to humanity
[02:49] <deFrysk> setite, nope
[02:49] <chickenman> the what problem ?
[02:49] <will> does anyone here run kubuntu?
[02:49] <cocol> me
[02:49] <setite> kubuntu.. last a heard was the kde ubuntu
[02:49] <chickenman> not me yuk
[02:50] <setite> ynot an actuall word
[02:50] <deFrysk> will, check #kubuntu
[02:50] <setite> yhow can i download ubuntu on a torrent
[02:50] <setite> the 64bit torrent is having errors
[02:50] <cocol> will, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:50] <chickenman> don't use torrent ;)
[02:51] <LinuxJones> setite, it shouldn't
[02:51] <chickenman> i done warty (512mb) in 5 hours on 300k
[02:51] <setite> 5 hours!!!!
[02:51] <setite> with a decent torrent it should be like 40 mins
[02:51] <chickenman> yea that not bad at 36kb\s
[02:52] <deFrysk> I do it in 15-20 min ;p
[02:52] <da_root> can someone give me a tipp how i can connect to a network printer?
[02:52] <topyli> setite: i've done a debian net install on a 56k modem :)
[02:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> I have 512kbps ADSL, so it takes a few hours for me
[02:52] <setite> i could do it in 20 with a damn good torrent
[02:52] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> hopefully getting 8Mbps ADSL soon
[02:52] <setite> but i dont like this 80k bullshit
[02:52] <deFrysk> I get it from ftp address
[02:52] <setite> really
[02:52] <chickenman> yea well i have lots of free time :D
[02:52] <setite> ok lemme try that
[02:52] <deFrysk> http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/
[02:53] <setite> where is ftp
[02:53] <Pyre> I don't know setite. They're not connected to IRC.
[02:53] <setite> yoh haha
[02:53] <setite> all look like https to me
[02:54] <setite> and theres a dvd now?
[02:54] <topyli> shouldn't have showered. i think i smell less human now :)
[02:54] <chickenman> is there any other way to run windows programs without wine or installing windows ?
[02:54] <setite> crossXover office
[02:54] <deFrysk> chickenman, install windows
[02:54] <chickenman> i only got a 10.2gb hd :O
[02:54] <deFrysk> oh without
[02:55] <setite> ::cough::warez::cough::
[02:55] <deFrysk> chickenman, use alternatives
[02:55] <topyli> chickenman: there's no way
[02:55] <setite> crossover office is nice
[02:55] <setite> integrates nicely
[02:55] <chickenman> what alternatives ?
[02:55] <setite> defrysk
[02:55] <deFrysk> open office
[02:55] <topyli> chickenman: native apps?
[02:55] <deFrysk> for example
[02:55] <setite> can you link me
[02:55] <setite> to the ftp for 64bit 5.10 preview
[02:55] <setite> i dont see any ftp links
[02:56] <deFrysk> setite, they are http links yes
[02:56] <topyli> chickenman: dosbox
[02:56] <setite> you said ftp
[02:56] <deFrysk> ftp://ftp.archive.ubuntu.com/
[02:56] <deFrysk> ;p
[02:56] <setite> danke
[02:56] <chickenman> how do install windows when there both ment to mbe mounted at /  ??
[02:57] <deFrysk> you could have done that yourself setite
[02:57] <zenwhen> I wonder if Composite will ever actually work with glx and not just pretend to.
[02:57] <siretart> are there cdimages with 2.6.10-5 kernels yet?
[02:58] <setite> i didnt know where it was
[02:58] <chickenman> how do i install windows when ubuntu and it wants to be mounted at /
[02:58] <topyli> chickenman: / can be anywhere, it doesn't have to be the primary master
[02:58] <amiroff> do you guys know how to get latest snapshots of Inkscape for ubuntu?
[02:58] <nicc> whats the difference between preview and array ? besides the fact that the last array is more recent
[02:59] <chickenman> topyli , i don't understand :|
[02:59] <visor> amiroff: i think theres a deb in inskape site that works just right out the box in debian and ubuntu
[02:59] <Zotnix> chickenman, say you have your hard drive split in two. / can be on the second half.
[02:59] <Mitario> damn, why does the live cd regenerate all those locales
[02:59] <Zotnix> You can still install windows on the first half of the drive though
[02:59] <Rattboi> Zotnix, that's how mine is set up
[02:59] <topyli> chickenman: you can install windows on hda1 and linux on an extended partition like hda5
[03:00] <chickenman> can you tell me how to do this with the partion tool
[03:00] <Rattboi> my first partition is XP, second is /home, third is swap, fourth is /
[03:00] <topyli> chickenman: easiest is to install windows first, and just leave some unpartitioned space to the end of the disk. then install linux
[03:00] <nicc> no difference,
[03:00] <nicc> ?
[03:00] <chickenman> so how much does a full linux take up ?
[03:01] <zenwhen> < 2GB
[03:01] <JDigital> couple gigs
[03:01] <nicc> yep
[03:01] <chickenman> windows 98 only need 1gb max
[03:01] <zenwhen> and includes nothing
[03:01] <topyli> linux? about 1,5 megs. the full distro is a bit more :)
[03:01] <JDigital> windows < linux :D
[03:02] <chickenman> so i will make windows 2gb and the rest linux ok
[03:02] <topyli> chickenman: define "the rest"
[03:02] <zenwhen> chickenman, sounds good
[03:02] <zenwhen> give windows as little space as possible to cramp you into your Linux install
[03:02] <visor> can anyone tell me if there is a special issue with framebuffer or something as i cant acces any virtual console when using X and think i didnt had this before with warty
[03:02] <topyli> chickenman: ah, you have a 10G drive. that's ok
[03:03] <chickenman> so 2 gb windows mounted at / and the rest ubuntu mounted at / as well ?
[03:03] <speel> is there any way to burn mp3s to a cd so i can listen to em in my cd player?
[03:03] <st3v3n> yep
[03:03] <will> i run windows xp and hoary off a 15gb drive - easy
[03:04] <chickenman> ok well i better make some backups :D
[03:04] <will> but then i have /home on a 30gb drive!
[03:04] <topyli> chickenman: you're confused. :) windows wants to be on C: (first partition of first disk) but linux / can be on any partition
[03:04] <zenwhen> speel- "sudo apt-get install k3b" will get you a nero clone that you should run with gksudo k3b
[03:04] <chickenman> still don't get it
[03:05] <JDigital> ubuntu is mounted at / but in my case Windows is mounted at /windows
[03:05] <amiroff> visor: well, I just cannot find it
[03:05] <Zotnix> will, wow. I only run Linux and I'm using a total of 47 GB (including /home... which is 38 GB of that.)
[03:05] <speel> yea i knew that way lol but i thaught maybe through nautilus
[03:05] <JDigital> or /mnt/windows
[03:05] <topyli> chickenman: windows would call your linux root partition D: or something if it saw it (which it doesn't)
[03:05] <chickenman> ok
[03:05] <will> chickenman: [C (windows2GB)] [LINUX EXT3....................7.5GB] [SWAP 500MB]
[03:05] <chickenman> so i have windows at / and at the start ?
[03:05] <speel> chickenman, do you really NEED windows?
[03:06] <visor> amiroff: no deb?
[03:06] <PacoBCN> speel, remember, windows is an excellent... gaming console :)
[03:06] <chickenman> i love dos games and i can't play them linux to slow on y system for games
[03:06] <Zotnix> chickenman, nope. Linux will ignore your windows partition until you tell it where to put it.
[03:06] <speel> yea lol but spending 500+ for a computer just to play games is worthless lol
[03:06] <topyli> chickenman: "/" is not a drive partitioning concept at all. it's just wherever your linux filesystem root is
[03:06] <amiroff> visor: nope :( look what site says: Debian Dependencies - everything is available in the unstable apt repositories
[03:07] <amiroff> visor: which unstable repositories ?
[03:07] <chickenman> sorry im not geting this at all some one write me clear instructions please and send them to me
[03:07] <Zotnix> chickenman, you are thinking that / is the same as "the first part of the disk" It isn't :)
[03:07] <will> mmm i love 8Mbps connections
[03:07] <visor> amiroff: when they mean unstable i guess the mean the release before sarge, indeed theres an inkscape in synaptic but its version 0,40 not 0.41
[03:08] <PacoBCN> will, I would love Spain even knows what 8Mbps are...
[03:08] <topyli> chickenman: google for something like "dual boot howto". there's a very good explanation available at tldp.org
[03:08] <Mitario> bugger, the live cd doesn't recognize my wireless card
[03:08] <chickenman> what should the partiion manager look like ?
[03:08] <amiroff> visor: yeah, and they are preparing 0.42, guess our repos are much behind
[03:08] <PacoBCN> there are HOWTOs in the Ubuntu forum about double OS partitions
[03:09] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> any CPU temp monitoring applets for ubuntu ? gkrellm doesn't appear to be in the repositiroes
[03:09] <will> whats a good graphical FTP program?
[03:09] <visor> amiroff: uhmm i cant tell, you know, i mainly use ubuntu to see whats new but i have a _stable_ install of mdk with gnome 2.6 and the likes where i usually have everything
[03:09] <will> and website design
[03:09] <kosmos> gFTP
[03:09] <topyli> chickenman: "linux+windows-HOWTO"
[03:10] <topyli> is the name of the document
[03:10] <chickenman> give me a link
[03:10] <topyli> search google, should be first hit
[03:10] <amiroff> visor: gnome 2.6?
[03:10] <visor> but this virtual console issue it never happened to me hehe
[03:10] <kosmos> gFTP for gnome, and kbear for KDE
[03:10] <will> thanks
[03:10] <visor> amiroff: yeah, sounds odd doesnt it
[03:10] <will> what about web design
[03:10] <topyli> chickenman: ok, here it is: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+Windows-HOWTO/
[03:10] <will> code editor?
[03:10] <will> easy
[03:10] <Zotnix> I love the Places -> Connect to server... feature.
[03:11] <kosmos> bluefish
[03:11] <PacoBCN> will, you can also use Screem, which has features unfortunatelly bluefish doesn't have
[03:11] <PacoBCN> and viceversa
[03:12] <amiroff> amiroff: it does, I still use xfce :)
[03:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> bah there are NO lmsensors front ends in ubuntu !! :(
[03:12] <kosmos> az[a] zel_ubuntu, gkrellm is in the reps
[03:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> kosmos, hmm maybe mine is brokien
[03:12] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> kosmos, universe hasn't been working on my local mirror all day
[03:13] <kosmos> hm
[03:13] <az[a] zel_ubuntu> or it could just be gkrellm hasn't been built for AMD64 yet
[03:13] <visor> amiroff: i do like xfce, its the file manager i cant stand, i dont like the so-many-buttons design of the whole, but it seems they made a prototype of a new file manager in python but i just cant remember the name of it
[03:14] <Bauhn> Can anyone here help me with configuring wireless internet?
[03:14] <kosmos> possible, i'm 32 bit oldschooler ;)
[03:15] <mirak> hello
[03:15] <Nonphasis> anyone able to use dcgui-qt on Hoary? It used to work on Warty...
[03:15] <mirak> I tried to create a grub boot floppy from grub-disk
[03:15] <mirak> but the floppies are not bootable
[03:15] <Bauhn> Is it anyone here that is able to help me with configuring W-LAN on ubuntu?
[03:16] <amiroff> visor: yeah, I use nautilus with xfce :) I've hear about the new file manager though
[03:16] <topyli> Bauhn: someone probably can, but you need to say what your problem is. what did you do, what went wrong, and so on
[03:16] <visor> amiroff: that would just rocks, but it would feel nicer if xfce integrates a good one itself
[03:17] <AMIGrAve> I can't set my dvdwriter on udma mode, when I try sudo hdparm -c1 -d1 /dev/dvd  i get this error when hdparm tries to set dma : HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted  someone can help me about that ?
[03:17] <Nonphasis> isn't part of the point of xfce that it doesn't integrate too much? i.e. the light weight...
[03:17] <Bauhn> topyli i installed ubuntu for.. an hour ago, and now i'm trying to get internet going.. and becuase i have wireless internet, i need to enter an encryption key.. so i need help with getting the encryption key into linux ;P
[03:18] <visor> btw, i dont mean to be rude but why there is not more channels just focused on plain help or special topics? this is insane dont you think? i mean the channel has just grown too much and many people ask questions (yeah i know theres the wikis and so but they wont stop coming)
[03:18] <topyli> Bauhn: i know next to nothing about wireless. just urging you to state the problem :)
[03:18] <topyli> so someone can help
[03:18] <SeeleyUSMC> Ubuntu says that my Atheros a/b/g card should work right out of the box.  I tried the live cd and it didn't seem to show up.  does the live cd not have everything that the install cd has as far as modules and shuch for wireless cards?
[03:18] <Bauhn> topyli ok ;P
[03:20] <zenwhen> Everyone who ses linux should track down an orinoco gold classic and never have to worry about crappy wireless cards or driver support again
[03:20] <zenwhen> uses*
[03:21] <Bauhn> i installed ubuntu for.. an hour ago, and now i'm trying to get internet going.. and becuase i have wireless internet, i need to enter an encryption key.. so i need help with getting the encryption key into linux ;P
[03:21] <Bauhn> help? ;P
[03:21] <zenwhen> Heres how you set up an orninoco gold classic as eth* in ubuntu: Step one: Plug it in. Step two: There isn't one.
[03:22] <topyli> visor: this is the help channel. there's noise yes, but i think it's working
[03:22] <zenwhen> Bauhn, open network admin. Choose the wireless connection. Hit properties. Type in the key.
[03:22] <zenwhen> network-admin that is
[03:22] <LinuxJones> Bauhn, this might help >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-07.0031507315
[03:23] <zenwhen> I always try to get chtterers to come to #ubuntuforums, which has no real ruleset so they dont mess with this channel.
[03:23] <zenwhen> but this channel works well for support
[03:23] <Bauhn> zenwhen ok, so it's network-admin > wireless connections > there it is?
[03:23] <zenwhen> really well
[03:23] <zenwhen> yes
[03:24] <membreya> AMIGrAve: pretty easy to fix :)
[03:24] <zenwhen> under properties you will be offered a place to type your WEP key
[03:24] <visor> topyli: oh i didnt know that... i actually tought that because i was concerned about this things that when a channel fulls up just like this, the devs start to chill out and to split the channels and so (you know, a -dev chanel, a -help chanel etc.)
[03:24] <AMIGrAve> membreya: I had the same thing on debian
[03:24] <Mitario> is anyone seeing tomboy breakage in the latest package updates?
[03:24] <zenwhen> It works pretty well
[03:24] <AMIGrAve> membreya: do I miss a module ?
[03:24] <membreya> AMIGrAve: what type of motherboard / chipset is it using ?
[03:24] <membreya> is it on an nforce?
[03:24] <tsume> ubuntu loves my laptop :)
[03:24] <zenwhen> visor, there is a dev channel.
[03:24] <AMIGrAve> membreya: Asus K8nE-deluxe  nforce 3
[03:25] <zenwhen> tsume, same here.
[03:25] <tsume> 1.7GHz P-M is faster than a 3.0GHz P4
[03:25] <LinuxJones> I want to buy a new lcd monitor today but can't really afford it :(
[03:25] <membreya> AMIGrAve: edit your /etc/modules file and put these two modules at the top amd74xx
[03:25] <membreya> ide-core
[03:25] <tsume> M35-S456 :)
[03:25] <visor> and if this is the support can someone actually tell me how to switch between virtual console's? :P
[03:25] <visor> im almost sure is something about fb
[03:25] <tsume> real hardware, real power. Use Toshiba
[03:25] <membreya> visor: alt+F(number)
[03:26] <mirak> hi
[03:26] <tsume> Toshiba makes very good laptops. They aren't footballs. Don't drop a lamp on the keyboard
[03:26] <AMIGrAve> membreya: thanks can I modrpobe them and try or should I reboot ?
[03:26] <membreya> AMIGrAve: just reboot
[03:26] <mirak> the grub-disk floppy image doesn't boot
[03:26] <membreya> then do a hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[03:26] <mirak> where can I find a bootable grub floppy ?
[03:26] <visor> membreya: isnt Alt + Ctrl + F[number] ?
[03:27] <membreya> visor: if you're in gnome yes, otherwise it's just ctrl
[03:27] <membreya> or is it alt
[03:27] <membreya> damnit, it's 1.30 am
[03:27] <tsume> visor: thats to escape X server
[03:27] <AMIGrAve> membreya: ok thanks a lot i'm trying right now ; BTW i also got ide-cd, ide-disk and ide-generic in /etc/modules is ok ?
[03:27] <Codyman> hello
[03:27] <tsume> membreya: gnome or even the X server initialised
[03:27] <zenwhen> visor, as I am not currently experiencing your issue, not have I seen anyone complain about it... I cannot currently solve your issue. Mind you it is early in the morning in the US and a Sunday so the channel traffic is probably slower than normal. This time isn't really indicative of how the channel normally is.
[03:27] <tsume> you need to escape the X server before you can freely browse the terminals
[03:27] <membreya> AMIGrAve: yup they're fine..just make sure the modules I gave you are at the TOP of your modules file
[03:28] <visor> yeah i did know that i have like 8 years using linux :P it never happened to me
[03:28] <SeeleyUSMC> Anyone think they can help me get my Atheros a/b/g to work in Ubuntu live CD?  I want to see if it will work or hear from someone else that they have it working on the install version at least.  I'm brand new to linux and need all the help I can get to get on my feet with linux.  I want t learn a lot, but it would be easier if I could get an internet connection while I'm using linux instead...
[03:28] <Codyman> when i was installing on my am64 laptop, I bypassed the network config because i have a broadcom wifi card that i need to install drivers for... however now when i go to plug in ethernet it doesn't work on the internet either... what command setups the network.. dpkg-reconfigure something?
[03:28] <SeeleyUSMC> ...of having to boot back and forth each time to try something.
[03:28] <zenwhen> Ctrl + Alt + an F key should switch virtual consoles.
[03:28] <visor> its just it doesnt change to VC in gnome or out
[03:28] <Codyman> seeleyUSMC: i have a similar problem.. except with a broadcom
[03:28] <zenwhen> If not, theres something really wrong.
[03:28] <AMIGrAve> membreya: ok a last quesion : at your knowledge, is there a website or something that list hardware and tell what modules should be used for this hardware (in case hotplug miss them or something) ?
[03:28] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, I've had atheros working on my warty  laptop fine
[03:29] <chickenman> i aam going to get limewire :P
[03:29] <tsume> ALT+CTRL+F<num> to escape the X server and go to selected terminal, then ALT+F<num> to browse the virtual terminals after you have escaped
[03:29] <membreya> not AFAIK AMIGrAve
[03:29] <mjr> SeeleyUSMC, but I don't know how to set the encryption key
[03:29] <visor> maybe its because its the preview release
[03:29] <Codyman> anyone here using wifi broadcom?
[03:29] <visor> some issue
[03:29] <AMIGrAve> membreya: ok i'm rebooting, thanks again
[03:29] <tsume> visor: it could be broken. The way specificed is the official way
[03:29] <SeeleyUSMC> BTW, I'm using the Hoary preview live CD
[03:29] <tsume> visor: I'm using the preview as well. It works here
[03:30] <tsume> visor: did you specify any option in config for X which locks you in X?
[03:30] <daniels> SeeleyUSMC: i haven't tried the live cd, but atheros wireless works fine for me with the installed system
[03:30] <visor> yeah this is something really really strange
[03:30] <SeeleyUSMC> daniels: which version>
[03:30] <visor> no i didnt
[03:30] <visor> i used the standard install
[03:30] <visor> no composite cream or stuff like that
[03:30] <visor> just plain install
[03:31] <visor> anyway i will try to disable vga option in lilo
[03:31] <SeeleyUSMC> Wartyhog or Hoary?
[03:31] <visor> hoary
[03:31] <visor> preview
[03:31] <visor> warty worked flawlessly here
[03:31] <tsume> I'm running hoary
[03:31] <tsume> it works great afaik
[03:32] <tsume> nothing has gone wrong
[03:32] <SeeleyUSMC> hrm. I guess I'll go get the install version and try that out
[03:32] <visor> ok i will disable this and see if it was that the problem
[03:32] <visor> brb
[03:32] <visor> thanks for the help anyway
[03:33] <SeeleyUSMC> How long has Ubuntu been around?  I've heard of the other distros but just last week hear of this one
[03:33] <speel> since sept i think
[03:33] <darksatanic> SeeleyUSMC: The first release was in October.
[03:33] <zenwhen> About a year?
[03:33] <SeeleyUSMC> wow.  no wonder
[03:33] <zenwhen> Oh
[03:33] <membreya> it's done damn well for such a young distro
[03:33] <zenwhen> Only that long?
[03:33] <speel> yep
[03:33] <speel> cause it works ;P
[03:33] <membreya> :p
[03:34] <zenwhen> But Ubuntu's devs are ravenous
[03:34] <membreya> unless you're using an amd64..then it's just a bit more "challenging" :\
[03:34] <zenwhen> So much has happened since the first release
[03:34] <darksatanic> membreya: That Works For Me(tm)
[03:34] <drspin> is it possible to reinstall Grub to my HD from the Live CD ?
[03:34] <membreya> darksatanic: works for me too :) just a few problems when compiling a few modules...especially for cpan :|
[03:35] <zenwhen> drspin, yes
[03:35] <EkSoN> drspin, yes
[03:35] <EkSoN> chroot /dev/hdX
[03:35] <SeeleyUSMC> Should I try out Hoary or Warty?  I don't know if there are problems with Hoary.  Are there?
[03:35] <EkSoN> grub-install /dev/hdX
[03:35] <darksatanic> membreya: That's a general AMD64 problem, not an Ubuntu one, I suspect. :)
[03:35] <speel> warty
[03:35] <zenwhen> drop to a virtual console after choosing your language options and do it form there
[03:35] <membreya> darksatanic: that's what I meant :)
[03:35] <membreya> i wasn't bagging ubuntu :) just support for amd64 in general
[03:35] <pastyhermit> Anyone know when xfce 4.2.1 will be available on hoary
[03:35] <pastyhermit> 4.0 seems to be the latest
[03:36] <speel> ubuntu and there out of date packages pisses me off
[03:36] <EkSoN> who know boot fast hoary live?
[03:36] <pastyhermit> EkSoN, what?
[03:36] <membreya> out of date speel ?
[03:36] <pastyhermit> english learn you
[03:36] <drspin> zenwhen, ??
[03:36] <siretart> SeeleyUSMC: try hoary
[03:37] <zenwhen> Yeah I am just going to beat my fists on the ground if my software is .1 out of date. @_@
[03:37] <speel> well like the universe packages
[03:37] <membreya> lol zenwhen :P
[03:37] <zenwhen> Id rather have it stable.
[03:37] <pastyhermit> 'stable' lol
[03:37] <membreya> worst case, make your own .deb
[03:37] <speel> well i need this one game and it needs the newst version to play on public server
[03:37] <leonel> pastyhermit, http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/    maybe can work
[03:37] <pastyhermit> bawhwhaha
[03:37] <speel> membreya, way to much work just to install somthing lol
[03:37] <pastyhermit> whats funny is that our version of stable is rock-solid compared to other operating systems :D
[03:38] <pastyhermit> rock solid and old sometimes
[03:38] <membreya> i think you're forgetting that ubuntu was running gnome 2.10 before it was released :)
[03:38] <mirak> help me to install a bootblock please
[03:39] <zenwhen> membreya, correct.
[03:39] <pastyhermit> leonel, thanx, hey tell me I just installed the older one
[03:39] <speel> membreya, well thats beacause they have gnome guys on the team
[03:39] <pastyhermit> will these instructions install the newer one?
[03:39] <mirak> how can I install a boot block on a system on an other hard drive that don't have a bootblock ?
[03:39] <zenwhen> And 2.10 is amazingly fast
[03:39] <membreya> speel: if you have a problem with a package, speak to the MOTU's
[03:39] <chickenman> how come ubuntu is slower than windows ??
[03:39] <speel> motu's?
[03:40] <membreya> Masters Of The Universe
[03:40] <speel> oo ok mayb
[03:40] <SeeleyUSMC> This free wireless connection I have in my barracks is INSANE
[03:40] <pastyhermit> chickenman, lol
[03:40] <speel> e
[03:40] <pastyhermit> chickenman, in what respect?
[03:40] <leonel> pastyhermit, don't know
[03:40] <SeeleyUSMC> I'm getting 400kb/s downloads and 300kb/s upload speeds
[03:40] <chickenman> take longer to open windows and run things and start up!
[03:41] <njs12345> chickenman: because microsoft cheat?
[03:41] <zenwhen> chickenman, define "slower than windows"
[03:41] <membreya> oh...so that's what USMC is Seeley :P
[03:41] <membreya> lol
[03:41] <chickenman> errrrm
[03:41] <zenwhen> lol thats not an answer
[03:41] <chickenman> well it is slower
[03:42] <membreya> chickenman: my ubuntu loads faster than my windows..ubuntu is up, running and fully loaded in 50 seconds for me
[03:42] <njs12345> I find it just as fast, if not faster
[03:42] <zenwhen> chickenman, run sudo hdparm /dev/hd* where * = the drive you are running Ubuntu on.
[03:42] <membreya> that includes opening thunderbird, x-chat and gaim
[03:42] <chickenman> windows 98 = <25 sec with me
[03:42] <zenwhen> see if dma is on
[03:42] <membreya> chickenman: windows 98 is obselete
[03:42] <chickenman> ubuntu = 1:30 min
[03:42] <LinuxJones> chickenman, You can speed things up a bit by stopping any unnecessary services that you are running.
[03:42] <njs12345> yup
[03:42] <membreya> chickenman: ..if you really want to test it ..run windows 1
[03:42] <chickenman> i use most of them
[03:42] <membreya> that should load in about 2 seconds
[03:42] <pastyhermit> chickenman, its slower on ubuntu because ubuntu doesnt pre-link their libraries or pre-load everything
[03:43] <pastyhermit> chickenman, try KDE 3.4
[03:43] <chickenman> :\
[03:43] <zenwhen> rcconf is god for disabling services
[03:43] <zenwhen> good*
[03:43] <membreya> my windows takes about 1 - 2 minutes to even load the basics
[03:43] <membreya> damn no support for amd64 in winxp stock
[03:43] <pastyhermit> leonel, apt-get dist-upgrade did the trick
[03:43] <ricardo_> Hi folks.
[03:43] <pastyhermit> membreya, nope, you gotta download the XP beta
[03:43] <membreya> zenwhen: rcconf?
[03:43] <ricardo_> Sorry to be such a newbie but.. how can I restart cups???
[03:43] <zenwhen> KDE isnt faster than Gnome on fast systems. After 1.5Ghz, they are about equal.
[03:43] <membreya> pastyhermit: yup, and it has sfa hardware support
[03:44] <zenwhen> chickenman, what speed is your CPU.
[03:44] <membreya> I'm only running amd64 3200 .. I want a new PC :(
[03:44] <kosmos> yeah windows with nearly no services is faster (win 98 has no sound server for example)
[03:44] <mirak> can anyone HELP me
[03:44] <mirak> please
[03:44] <chickenman> i got 550mhz 188mb ram
[03:44] <leonel> pastyhermit, great
[03:44] <ricardo_> Please?
[03:44] <darksatanic> mirak: Not until you tell us what's wrong...
[03:44] <CarlK_> chickenman - I just installed on a P2-400, 196meg - works great
[03:44] <njs12345> ricardo_: try something like sudo /etc/init.d/cupsd restart
[03:44] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, ricardo /etc/init.d/service start|stop|restart
[03:44] <mirak> I ask for one hour
[03:44] <njs12345> lemme check what it is
[03:45] <mirak> I try to install a boot block
[03:45] <membreya> ricardo_: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[03:45] <mirak> on a new system
[03:45] <njs12345> yup
[03:45] <njs12345> it's cupsys
[03:45] <mirak> and I can't
[03:45] <njs12345> hmm
[03:45] <ricardo_> thanks!!!
[03:45] <njs12345> this is kind of off topic
[03:45] <njs12345> but
[03:45] <mirak> I can't boot with grub
[03:45] <njs12345> what's the type of suseconds_t?
[03:45] <mirak> I don't know how to install lilo
[03:45] <plagerism>  My multimedia key volume control ceased functioning when I upgraded to 2.10, what package would that be in??I remember this happening before and I had to remove some packages and install them again, for it to work
[03:45] <njs12345> mirak: you using RAID or SATA or something like that?
[03:45] <darksatanic> Why can't you boot with grub?
[03:45] <mirak> no, ide
[03:45] <njs12345> hmm
[03:45] <njs12345> that's strange
[03:46] <njs12345> I can't boot with grub either, but that's because I'm using SATA
[03:46] <membreya> plagerism: I haven't even got my MM keys working :|
[03:46] <mirak> I tried to use the grub-0.95-i386-pc.iso
[03:46] <membreya> njs12345: I have no problems with grub and I'm running SATA
[03:46] <mirak> that is provided with grub-disk
[03:46] <mirak> and it fails
[03:46] <njs12345> membreya: I suspect it's something wrong with my SATA hardware
[03:46] <ricardo_> humm. It didn't work
[03:46] <plagerism> membreya, I had them working perfectly before the upgrade, on my keyboard and on my ATI remote control!!
[03:46] <mirak> the floppy can't boot, it doesn't even boot in qemu
[03:47] <membreya> njs12345: I'm just using an nforce3 controller
[03:47] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, ricardo /etc/init.d/cup(tab) restart      it's case sensitive too
[03:47] <SeeleyUSMC> Wow.  Slow torrent.  Only 170kb/s today
[03:47] <LinuxJones> zenwhen, sorry
[03:47] <njs12345> SeeleyUSMC: what are you torrenting?
[03:48] <zenwhen> No Problem.
[03:48] <SeeleyUSMC> njs12345: install version of hoary
[03:48] <membreya> plagerism: have you tried going into keyboard shortcuts, I just did then and it mapped them perfectly
[03:48] <mirak> how to create a boot floppy
[03:48] <mirak> ?
[03:48] <plagerism> membreya, thats not where the problem lies, When I hit the key mapped to volume control the box comes up, however it doesnt change the volume
[03:49] <plagerism> Last time it was a matter of uninstalling and reinstalling some packages, but for the life of me I cannot remember which ones, I think it had something to do with capplets
[03:49] <njs12345> membreya: I'm using the built in SATA on my Asus P4P800-VM
[03:49] <PacoBCN> I'm a bit bored now... seems that everything works perfectly in hoary :(
[03:49] <Codyman> how do i configure my network card?
[03:49] <membreya> PacoBCN: wait until hoary is released as a final and then you will have grumpy to install :)
[03:50] <plagerism> PacoBCN, you should do what I did, and break things!! I got bored too so I broke things
[03:50] <Codyman> i accidentally bypassed the setup screen when ubuntu was installing
[03:50] <PacoBCN> plagerism, good idea
[03:50] <njs12345> Codyman: try "ifconfig --help" or "man ifconfig" and "iwconfig --help" or "man iwconfig"
[03:50] <LinuxJones> Codyman, sudo network-admin have a look in there and see if your nic card is listed
[03:50] <meepmeep`> hi :)
[03:50] <PacoBCN> but it's safier to convince other people to install Ubuntu and try to fix their problems via ssh :D
[03:50] <Codyman> ok thanks
[03:50] <njs12345> or try what LinuxJones suggested, that'll probably work
[03:51] <njs12345> anyone here have Flumotion installed and running?
[03:51] <LinuxJones> njs12345, no but I am going to set one up in a few weeks
[03:51] <PacoBCN> njs12345, I tried but I didn't succeed, however, I didn't spent time on it, actually
[03:51] <Codyman> LinuxJones: didn't work.. by the way i have the latest amd64 version of Kubuntu
[03:52] <njs12345> Codyman: I think network-admin is GNOME only
[03:52] <Codyman> what would be the kde equivilent?
[03:52] <PacoBCN> LinuxJones, cool, will you also installa a hava applet for web?
[03:52] <njs12345> I don't know
[03:52] <njs12345> but it should have the command line tools
[03:52] <njs12345> PacoBCN: I was trying today
[03:53] <PacoBCN> njs12345, and what was the problem?
[03:53] <njs12345> when I run flumotion-admin, I get a whole load of errors and it never starts
[03:53] <LinuxJones> PacoBCN, what I want to do is export my desktop while helping folks here. It is easier sometimes to show people how to do something in Linux rather than tell them usign text :)
[03:53] <njs12345> LinuxJones: VNC?
[03:53] <PacoBCN> LinuxJones, that would be great, indeed
[03:53] <LinuxJones> njs12345, if more than 1 person wants to look in it's easier to setup a streaming server
[03:53] <njs12345> I think you can set VNC up so that people can only watch and not control
[03:53] <Pheonix> hi all
[03:54] <njs12345> hey Pheonix
[03:54] <LinuxJones> njs12345, it's going to be a video stream they can only watch what I do :)
[03:54] <chickenman> im going to play my PS2 see you all later :D
[03:54] <Pheonix> am new to Ubuntu, just installed the new release
[03:54] <Pheonix> it didnt ask me to set up a root password
[03:54] <njs12345> ..and what do you think? :)
[03:54] <membreya> with VNC, just go to System > Preferences > Remote Desktop ...tick "Allow others to view your desktop" but make sure that "Allow others to control your desktop" is deselected
[03:54] <njs12345> no, it uses sudo
[03:55] <njs12345> sudo command-that-requires-root
[03:55] <njs12345> and enter your user password
[03:55] <njs12345> or
[03:55] <njs12345> sudo -s
[03:55] <njs12345> to get a root shell
[03:55] <Pheonix> ahhh ok
[03:55] <Pheonix> makes sense now
[03:56] <Pheonix> but apart from that it looks good
[03:56] <Pheonix> still getting used to the layout
[03:56] <membreya> is there any way to assign a keyboard shortcut to launch a specific application ?
[03:56] <Pheonix> bbs
[03:56] <plagerism> membreya, yea you use gconf-editor, however I cant remember the exact location of the key
[03:56] <rempresent> anyone try to install amarok before?
[03:57] <LinuxJones> rempresent, that isn't part of the kubuntu-desktop package ?
[03:57] <PacoBCN> what is amarok?
[03:58] <rempresent> i don't know
[03:58] <rempresent> i think so, since it is based off of kde
[03:58] <rempresent> to work off of the kde desktop environment
[03:59] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: gmail :P
[03:59] <njs12345> PacoBCN: amarok = KDE based music player
[03:59] <njs12345> a bit like Rhythmbox for KDE
[03:59] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: you can use pop3 to check your hotmail if you install hotwayd
[03:59] <njs12345> but it's meant to be the shit
[03:59] <LinuxJones> membreya, is gmail available yet ?
[03:59] <njs12345> LinuxJones: no
[03:59] <LinuxJones> :(
[03:59] <njs12345> but if anyone wants an invite I have like 50
[03:59] <membreya> LinuxJones: I'm checking my ISP, gmail, hotmail and my local mail file with thunderbird
[03:59] <PacoBCN> njs12345, thx
[03:59] <membreya> all working beautifully
[03:59] <HiddenWolf> linuxjones: need an invite?
[04:00] <LinuxJones> yahoomail doesn't seem to work with Evolution
[04:00] <SeeleyUSMC> doesn't hotmail have a lot of advertisements?
[04:00] <njs12345> yup
[04:00] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, maybe I'll just wait :)
[04:00] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: nope, I get maybe one spam a month..and that's just the newsletter
[04:00] <SeeleyUSMC> hrm
[04:00] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, I need something to look forward to, it's what keeps me going :D
[04:01] <njs12345> yay!
[04:01] <njs12345> http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=159902316
[04:01] <NJal> Ok how do i use this?
[04:01] <membreya> njs12345: meh.. I hate firefox
[04:01] <SeeleyUSMC> membreya: So if I get a hotmail account, I can access it in a POP3 email app like evolution or the like?
[04:01] <membreya> galeon all the way :)
[04:01] <HiddenWolf> linuxjones: sad going if you're looking forward to gmail
[04:01] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: yes indeed, the service you need to run is called hotwayd
[04:01] <LinuxJones> HiddenWolf, heh
[04:01] <njs12345> membreya: I do webdev and Internet Explorer makes me want to slit my wrists ;)
[04:02] <HiddenWolf> membreya: I'll cary galeon all the way to the graveyard for you ;)
[04:02] <NJal> Erm anyone mind lending me a hand?
[04:02] <membreya> njs12345: I like IE ...but above all I love my galeon :)
[04:02] <njs12345> NJal: with what?
[04:02] <njs12345> membreya: well do me a favour and persuade people not to use IE
[04:03] <membreya> njs12345: lol :P
[04:03] <NJal> Well duel booting Ubuntu
[04:03] <membreya> SeeleyUSMC: http://freshmeat.net/projects/hotwayd/
[04:03] <plagerism> njs12345:s/IE/Windows XP/g
[04:03] <plagerism> Problem solved!!!
[04:03] <Bauhn> zenwhen > I'm back ;P I found the wireless cofiguration.. but i dont know what's the unit are called (i have it in swedish, so i dont know what it's called in english)
[04:04] <NJal> How does it fair against the likes of SuSE and Fedora?
[04:04] <HiddenWolf> plagerism: dont' mention windows here, I've just eaten.
[04:04] <plagerism> lol
[04:04] <njs12345> NJal: never used either of them
[04:04] <membreya> it's been a good two weeks since I've been in windows...and I don't intend to boot it for a long time
[04:04] <plagerism> HiddenWolf, what if it about persuading people not to use XP?
[04:04] <zenwhen> Bauhn, I dont understand your question.
[04:04] <NJal> I need Windows to download drivers for Linux atm
[04:04] <njs12345> but I think it's more stable than Fedora and more bleeding edge than SuSE
[04:05] <NJal> So i need a duel boot
[04:05] <HiddenWolf> plagerism: good luck with that.
[04:05] <membreya> njs12345: bleeding edge means getting cut from time to time :P
[04:05] <plagerism> membreya, havent had a windows partition for 5 years now, and I couldnt be happier.  Anything i need to do in Windows I can do in VMWARE!!
[04:05] <membreya> plagerism: only thing I need windows for is transcoding Xvid files to mpeg2 so I can burn them to DVD .. I'm too lazy right now to learn how to do it in linux
[04:06] <NJal> But my question is, will it duel boot?
[04:06] <HiddenWolf> plagerism: that's running windows on bypass, no cudo's for you
[04:06] <Bauhn> zenwhen > when i'm installing the wireless network it's a couple of fields i should fill in.. the first is unit (or something like that in english), next is ssid-name (what's that?) and the last is the WEP-key, which is on 26 letters
[04:06] <nicc> njs12345, ur talking about ubuntu?
[04:06] <plagerism> membreya, why not use Transcode?? Much faster
[04:06] <njs12345> nicc: yes
[04:06] <Codyman> anyone know what app is used under Kubuntu for network configuration?
[04:06] <membreya> plagerism: read above :)
[04:06] <njs12345> I said I wasn't sure
[04:06] <nicc> njs12345, hoary?
[04:06] <Bauhn> zenwhen so what should i write in the first field?
[04:06] <membreya> besides.. it only takes about 30 mins to transcode a file in windows
[04:07] <njs12345> just Ubuntu in general
[04:07] <markuman> hello. i?m tryin since over 10 minutes to make with lame a mp3 file to a .wav file.....can someone help me? how does it work???
[04:07] <plagerism> membreya, its actually not that hard, I was quite surprised myself
[04:07] <Riddell> Codyman: none yet, try knetworkconf in universe
[04:07] <njs12345> markuman: do you have gstreamer0.8-mad installed?
[04:07] <DarthFrog> markuman: It doesn't work that way.  It turns a  wav file into an mp3.
[04:07] <nicc> could anyone try muine ? does it work?
[04:07] <AMIGrAve> what is approximately the timing buffered disk read speed in MB/Sec (hdparm -tT)  for a 40X dvdwriter ? (assuming it is correctly configured for dma, ...)
[04:07] <Codyman> Riddell: ok i'll try
[04:07] <Riddell> (it's not ready for use yet but maybe you can make it do something Codyman )
[04:07] <membreya> plagerism: wanna give me the command line to transcode xvid to mpeg 2 ? :)
[04:08] <ricardo_> I back.
[04:08] <zenwhen> Bauhn, I am not currently using a computer with a wireless connection. Ill have to boot up my old laptop to see
[04:08] <ricardo_> I'm back
[04:08] <zenwhen> why is it in swedish?
[04:08] <nicc> does anyone have muine installed?
[04:08] <Bauhn> zenwhen becuase i'm swedish ;P
[04:08] <njs12345> nicc:I tried a while back, and never could get it work
[04:08] <zenwhen> Why cant you read it?
 no, will it work with it?
[04:08] <ricardo_> I cannnot restart cups. I tried it with /etc/ini.d/cupsd restart and it didn't work
[04:08] <nicc> njs12345, nothing worked?
[04:09] <membreya> ricardo_: it's cupsys
[04:09] <plagerism> membreya, here is a nice little tutorial for authoring dvds with menus even http://mightylegends.zapto.org/dvd/dvdauthor_howto.php
[04:09] <Codyman> Riddell: knetworkconf does not work
[04:09] <njs12345> markuman: you can probably do some funkyness with gst-launch if you have gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:09] <plagerism> membreya, the command is the same for all types of videos
[04:09] <ricardo_> what is the command?
[04:09] <Riddell> Codyman: what doesn't work about it?
[04:09] <rempresent> i can't remove this directory, it says that it is empty, and i can't manually move it
[04:09] <membreya> AMIGrAve: I get 2.5MB/s on -t and 927MB/s on -T
[04:09] <njs12345> rempresent: rm -r
[04:09] <rempresent> how can you force remove a directory?
[04:09] <lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and starts the gui.  any help?
[04:09] <njs12345> to force: rm -rf
[04:10] <membreya> rempresent: rm -rf
[04:10] <membreya> with a sudo
[04:10] <rempresent> would it be rmdir -r
[04:10] <nicc> and does anyone have no troubles with rhythmbox ? I think I messed up something but I'm not sure. will a reinstall help?
[04:10] <Codyman> Riddell: i type in the command and nothing happens... should something happen?
[04:10] <AMIGrAve> membreya: and you've got a 40X speed ?
[04:10] <rempresent> rm will work
[04:10] <membreya> erm, 52x :)
[04:10] <rempresent> ?
[04:10] <Riddell> Codyman: have you installed it?
[04:10] <njs12345> nicc: try gst-register-0.8 in a term
[04:10] <markuman> is there any other tool to make a mp3 to a wav file???
[04:10] <Codyman> i can't install it if i don't have the internet which is what i'm try to fix
[04:10] <membreya> AMIGrAve: did you do a sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdx
[04:10] <AMIGrAve> membreya: yeps
[04:10] <lawman> btw.  it's ubuntu 5.04
[04:10] <lawman> help.
[04:10] <plagerism> membreya, here is a nice little script to do it as well http://sourceforge.net/projects/divxtodvd/. it ussually needs some tweaking, but it works in most instances that I have used it!!
[04:11] <Riddell> Codyman: fair point, well you'll have to play with editing /etc/network/interfaces by hand and running sudo ifup eth0 etc
[04:11] <membreya> plagerism: xvid..not divx :P
[04:11] <rempresent> tight, it worked, thanks everyone
[04:11] <AMIGrAve> membreya: my speed is also 2.56MB/sec
[04:11] <plagerism> membreya divx/xvid all the same stuff
[04:11] <plagerism> membreya same commands to do it all
[04:11] <nicc> njs12345, it ran fine
[04:11] <lawman> hi.  new to linux and installed a few distros on laptop.  they all work except ubuntu 5.04.  after installing and booting up, it shows a blank screen when it gets to the login stage and tries to start the gui.  any guidance on the problem?
[04:11] <Bauhn> zenwhen i can read it, but i dont understand what i'm supposed to write in the first field.. i cant choose any network-card (btw, i have an usb-card.. DLINK dwl-122)
[04:12] <AMIGrAve> membreya: but when I type hdparm /dev/dvd  i've got this line at the end of the output : HDIO_GETGEO failed: Invalid argument
[04:12] <nicc> njs12345, I still can't read 50 % of my song
[04:12] <nicc> njs12345, I see album's name but thats all
[04:12] <njs12345> lawman: what kind of graphics card do you have?
[04:12] <jalal_ubuntu> hi all
[04:12] <lawman> via i think
[04:12] <SeeleyUSMC> ...half an hour left to download install version of hoary
[04:12] <njs12345> you might need to set up proprietrary graphics drivers, see the wiki
[04:12] <jalal_ubuntu> how to configure sound in ubuntu 4.10
[04:12] <jalal_ubuntu> plz
[04:13] <cdr> hi, is ubuntu suitable for production servers?
[04:13] <ricardo_> THANKS FOLKS!!!!
[04:13] <nicc> AMIGrAve, who doesnt have that?
[04:13] <njs12345> cdr: yes, it's basically debian if you're using it for a server
[04:13] <amiroff> Anybody has a copy of autopackage.tar.bz2 file locally by chance ? I really need it...
[04:13] <rempresent> where can you download the presets for the equalizer in xmms?
[04:14] <cdr> njs12345: i know but i thought it was based on the unstable branch of debian
[04:14] <heze> cdr, hoary is unstable afaik, warty is not.
[04:14] <nicc> cdr, I think ubuntu is better for desktop, even though it could be used as server too
[04:14] <njs12345> cdr: ubuntulinux.org is running it atm, and I've never seen it go down
[04:14] <jalal_ubuntu> sound pls how ti configure it in ubuntu
[04:14] <markuman> how to make a wav file from a mp3 file??????
[04:15] <heze> markuman, ask google
[04:15] <nicc> markuman, yes
[04:15] <lawman> 12345:  i'm a total newbie to linux.  what does wiki mean?
[04:15] <heze> "linux convert mp3 wav" should find something
[04:15] <jalal_ubuntu> plz
[04:15] <heze> markuman, xmms might have a disk writer output plugin, try that..
[04:16] <cdr> lawman: it's like a forum
[04:16] <lawman> ok
[04:16] <markuman> heze, http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=%22linux+convert+mp3+wav%22&btnG=Suche&meta=
[04:16] <lawman> any link?
[04:16] <markuman> heze , nothing!!!
[04:17] <heze> markuman, feel free to adjust the search parameters :)
[04:17] <plagerism> markuman use mpg123 -w something.wav something.mp3
[04:18] <nicc> I could try warty but it didnt have muine