I upgraded my hoary box and lost madwifi support... now I'm using a different machine to grab the relevant linux-restricted-modules package, and I can't get the USB flash disk working.
[12:04] <Guilmon> crimsun: its a speciesist statement!
[12:04] <eruin> what's going on with hoary RC ?
[12:04] <crimsun> Guilmon: English is a "speciesist" language.  What do you propose we do about the WWW?
[12:04] <DanC> anybody got a pointer to something I can read to figure out what's *supposed* to happen when I stick a USB flash disk in my debian/ubuntu box?
[12:05] <synd> whats the main difference between hoary and warty??
[12:05] <dockane> i would like to have a "pon dsl-provider" icon on my gnome desktop. where can i read how to do this ?
[12:05] <DanC> synd, six months
[12:05] <dabugas> crimsun: i'm slowly upgrading to warty (i'm on dial-up); but thanks for a good service :)
[12:05] <dabugas> to hoary, i meant, sorry
[12:05] <eruin> and six months in the linux world is alot
[12:05] <crimsun> dabugas: np.
[12:05] <synd> DanC; should i put hoary on instread of warty?
[12:05] <Nermal> where is the correct place to put modules you want loaded at boot in you ubuntu? ie: nvidia ?
[12:06] <crimsun> Nermal: /etc/modules
[12:06] <eruin> synd: absolutely yes
[12:06] <crimsun> Nermal: though you shouldn't have to manually load nvidia.ko; nvidia-kernel-common package should take care of that
[12:06] <DanC> well, synd, no, I can't recommend hoary at this point. warty worked well for me, and i was feeling adventurous and upgraded to hoary, and I've had more trouble than I expected.
[12:07] <synd> thats what im suspecting.. i didnt do it at first since it's not finalized yet
[12:07] <dabugas> synd: newer -> better unless you have an old pc, in which case staying behind may be helpful (the win 98 vs win xp sort of thing)
[12:07] <eruin> installing hoary and upgrading to hoary is hardly the same thing
[12:08] <synd> eruin: upgrading is much simpler? less time? right?
[12:08] <socomm> Hello, how can I open port 80 on my machine?
[12:08] <Nermal> crimsun: doesn't seem to :|
[12:08] <Nermal> thx :)
[12:08] <eruin> upgrading is much simpler if you already have a warty system yes, but it also adds lots of possible problems
[12:08] <eruin> when viewed against a fresh install
[12:08] <dabugas> synd: if you know what you are doing upgrading is faster, but you may break certain things
[12:08] <sobersabre> guys... debian q. related to ubuntu...
[12:09] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: yes
[12:09] <eruin> this is why I've got my /home on a seperate partition ;>
[12:09] <rami> hello every1, a friend of mine, who doesn't know shit about computers bought an amd64, and his windows crashed and he gave it to me to format it,
[12:09] <dabugas> i'm slowly updating from warty, and a new window manager from hoary broke my sound (the gstreamer-plugins) of all things
[12:09] <Guilmon> bug 8321 created :)
[12:09] <sobersabre> i am now on sarge... and i have browsed the site, and saw not much feedback on sarge->hoary upgrade...
[12:09] <rami> so me seizing the opportunity, installed ubuntu 64
[12:09] <sobersabre> is it painfull ?
[12:09] <dabugas> so you have to be prepared to deal with these things
[12:09] <sobersabre> is hoary stable to be working on ?
[12:09] <rami> he didn't like it,
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: never seen it done. Hoary is closer to sid than sarge
[12:10] <rami> and now when i try installing windows, it gives me the error that no hard disks were found,
[12:10] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, is it also closer to sid stability wise ?
[12:10] <husher> is there a webiste where i can browse the ubuntu package database, kinda like the gentoo-portage site?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: no, I would say it is closer
[12:10] <Guilmon> crimsun: english is not a speciesist language, its open to any species which wants to try to speak it.
[12:10] <rami> i go into ubuntu, and try using hda1, it is not found!
[12:10] <dabugas> sobersabre: why don't you just backup you home and re-install?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: make that more stable
[12:10] <lewwy> hey guys
[12:10] <rami> it's a sata hard disk, anything i should know?!?! is it now hda?
[12:10] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: hoary is about to release (april 6)
[12:10] <lewwy> someone wanna help me with a hoary network problem?
[12:11] <crimsun> Guilmon: by extension, any species can ignore the "human beings" phrase
[12:11] <folta> rami, sata stuff tends to be sda, i think
[12:11] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, i am ... afraid of all these "releases"... i am working with my laptop. sarge works. i added swsusp, and some drivers, but basically it works.
[12:11] <rami> ok thanx, i'll check now
[12:12] <socomm> Hello?
[12:12] <sobersabre> i wanted to try xorg... for the video performance
[12:12] <Burgundavia> sobersabre: hoary will be more stable than sid
[12:12] <lewwy> can someone help me with my network prob?
[12:12] <lewwy> in hoary?
[12:12] <DimGR{laptop}> what is the difference between warty and hoary?
[12:12] <lewwy> hoary is a test release
[12:12] <lewwy> the build isnt finished
[12:12] <socomm> DimGR{laptop}: Hoary is unstable.
[12:12] <DimGR{laptop}> so warty is "better" ?
[12:12] <sobersabre> lewwy, this question is redundant. ask the question!!!
[12:12] <lewwy> yeh
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> sobersabre: development
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> not unstable :)
[12:12] <lewwy> ask the question?
[12:12] <lewwy> ok
[12:12] <lewwy> eth1 does not work
[12:12] <lewwy> DHCP fails
[12:12] <lewwy> but it appears to have worked at one time
[12:13] <socomm> I'd like to open up port 80, any ideas how?
[12:13] <HrdwrBoB> socomm: install apache
[12:13] <lewwy> after trying for about an hour last night with someone else, it still didnt work
[12:13] <DimGR{laptop}> what do you use warty or hoary
[12:13] <Arti> DimGR{laptop}, I use hoary and everything works.
[12:13] <lewwy> hoary
[12:13] <socomm> I know that my router has port 80 open, but I get connection  refused.
[12:13] <Arti> on my laptop
[12:13] <sobersabre> lewwy, what is output of lspci of the ethernet ?
[12:13] <lewwy> hang on man
[12:13] <socomm> HrdwrBoB: Apache2 installed and running.
[12:13] <lewwy> i'll reboot
[12:13] <DimGR{laptop}> ok
[12:13] <lewwy> and hop on the other computer
[12:13] <lewwy> be back in 2
[12:13] <sobersabre> wait.
[12:13] <sobersabre> i also want to know which driver module you use...
[12:14] <dockane> doas hoary support intel speed step ?
[12:14] <sobersabre> don't forget to look for it too...
[12:14] <Arnia> dockane: Yep
[12:14] <Arnia> Works here
[12:14] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[12:14] <socomm> God damn it!
[12:15] <socomm> I hate this crap, I help everyone but get no help in return.
[12:15] <socomm> X^(
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> just wondering but...if I was to download only gnome 2.10 itself that would mean a somewhat-bare desktop except for basic programs such as Terminal/etc .. am I right?
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> socomm...poor you... :-(
[12:15] <Burgundavia> socomm: what is the issue?
[12:15] <sabmoc> socomm, whats the issue?
[12:15] <sabmoc> haha
[12:15] <sobersabre> socomm, maybe u have really difficult problems...
[12:15] <Burgundavia> damn helpful Canucks
[12:15] <eruin> black_Nightmare: yes
[12:15] <sabmoc> same thought
[12:15] <black_Nightmare> eruin..ah hm ok thanks.  is apt-get a part or optional from gnome?
[12:16] <heatwave> black_Nightmare: optional
[12:16] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: apt-get is part of debian
[12:16] <eruin> apt-get is a part of debian/ubuntu, in no way related to gnome
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> burgun..hmm makes me wondering if someone only got gnome - I wonder what they use to get online files with
[12:16] <black_Nightmare> :p
[12:16] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: apt-get is the "add/remove programs" capability if windows did things properly :) it has nothing to do with gnome it's part of the base system
[12:16] <sobersabre> eruin, it is related: gnome can be installed with apt
[12:16] <sobersabre> :)
[12:16] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: kyanptic
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> oh duh.. a bit like what synaptic was - right?
[12:17] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: apt also has command line and curses tools
[12:17] <Burgundavia> black_Nightmare: yes
[12:17] <eruin> black_Nightmare: synaptic uses apt
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> ty..I see now ;)
[12:17] <scizzo> socomm: ummm....trying to access something from outside of the router or inside?
[12:17] <socomm> scizzo: Inside.
[12:17] <black_Nightmare> so someone could get just gnome and still manage to figure downloading additional items themself?
[12:17] <^thehatsrule^> its better than add/remove programs.... imo
[12:17] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: yes
[12:17] <scizzo> socomm: using internal ips?
[12:17] <socomm> <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:17] <^thehatsrule^> cause, it installes dependencies too :P
[12:17] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: that's why we use linux :)
[12:17] <socomm> scizzo: External Ip.
[12:17] <Burgundavia> add/remove programs sucks
[12:18] <synd> ^thehatsrule^: well no shit
[12:18] <eruin> dabugas: and better game performance
[12:18] <grogoreo> PecK, ive found out my sound problem! In Volume Control -> Switches, Capture Monitor was enabled! How stupid of me!
[12:18] <synd> burg: windows sucks, period
[12:18] <PecK> arf, still can play iTunes AAC with rythmbox, and that's true also for playing AAC music from the iPod
[12:18] <scizzo> socomm: but if you are using a router and are trying to access something behind a router?
[12:18] <sobersabre> Burgundavia, what's " add/remove programs" ?
[12:18] <PecK> grogoreo, arf :)
[12:18] <dabugas> eruin: i wouldn't know... except for mame; speaking of which, are there any frontends for mame on hoary? i haven't seen any... :(
[12:18] <eruin> mame?
[12:18] <black_Nightmare> synd...its some wonder some newer games are moving over to opengl which just seem to make it possible to port it over to linux
[12:19] <socomm> scizzo: I'm trying to access my machine, the router has port 80 forwarding for my internal IP.
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> lol well i was just saying ;p
[12:19] <synd> thats true
[12:19] <black_Nightmare> but then I guess you can try emulate directx games with varying successes too
[12:19] <PecK> still can't
[12:19] <scizzo> socomm: well yes...
[12:19] <synd> i leave gaming to my xbox :p
[12:19] <eruin> cedega works pretty well
[12:19] <^thehatsrule^> using cedega...
[12:19] <PecK> synd :p
[12:19] <eruin> gives me better performance than windows itself :P
[12:19] <socomm> scizzo: I see that that port is open on my router, but I get connection refused when I access my machine.
[12:19] <scizzo> socomm: but if you are inside of a router....and are trying to access another machine inside...then you need to use the internal ip
[12:19] <sobersabre> socomm, i missed your problem  ...
[12:19] <dabugas> eruin: YOU DON'T KNOW MAME? (this is screaming and impolite... i'm just surprised, sorry ;)
[12:19] <mjr> black_Nightmare, well, supporting opengl (possibly in addition to directx, possibly instead) allows for targeting MacOS X too
[12:20] <eruin> dabugas: what is it? :P
[12:20] <socomm> I'm guessing that Ubuntu blocks access to that port.
[12:20] <scizzo> socomm: connecting outside of the router you will use external IP
[12:20] <socomm> http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:20] <synd> mjr: which is the best OS : ) imho
[12:20] <sobersabre> socomm, connection refused can be caused by: tcpwrapper, switch/router
[12:20] <mjr> black_Nightmare, so together linux and macos might be enough incentive
[12:20] <socomm> scizzo: Could you check for me?
[12:20] <garrut> socomm, you're inside, you have to use internal ip's
[12:20] <l3wwy> hey dudes
[12:20] <dabugas> eruin: mame is emulates old coin-up hardware. you can play everything from the original pacman to puzzle bobble, punisher, street fighter, etc
[12:20] <scizzo> socomm: I can access that
[12:20] <l3wwy> im lewwy
[12:20] <socomm> scizzo: All right thanks.
[12:20] <l3wwy> so who was going to help me?
[12:20] <synd> l33t0 name lewwy
[12:20] <scizzo> socomm: look...if you are inside the router...try the internal ip
[12:20] <dabugas> eruin: excellent when you have a friend over and he needs an ass-kicking :p
[12:20] <l3wwy> sorry man
[12:21] <l3wwy> my names like this cause i quit uncleanly
[12:21] <sobersabre> l3wwy, did u do your homework ?
[12:21] <socomm> scizzo: Thanks, and sorry for the harsh language.
[12:21] <eruin> dabugas: haha
[12:21] <l3wwy> homework? *shifty eyes*
[12:21] <sobersabre> lspci, lsmod
[12:21] <sobersabre> ?
[12:21] <l3wwy> im a noob so no
[12:21] <l3wwy> i'll do it now
[12:21] <scizzo> socomm: no problem....
[12:21] <l3wwy> and tell u the output
[12:21] <sobersabre> not everything... only the relevant
[12:22] <dabugas> eruin: you should really try it. you have to get roms for the game (mame just emulates the machine code) but there are really nifty fighting games around
[12:22] <synd> just a show of hands... whos gonna try out longhorn when its released?
[12:22] <l3wwy> meh
[12:22] <sobersabre> now... u talked about dhcp ... who is your dhcp server ?
[12:22] <tvelocity> synd, me... not!
[12:22] <l3wwy> synd: maybe when it comes out
[12:22] <eruin> syn-ack: not me
[12:22] <l3wwy> sobersabre: <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:22] <eruin> dabugas: but I have cedega and the battlefield games!
[12:22] <l3wwy> sobersabre: and my network adapter is in lspci
[12:22] <eruin> and openttd!
[12:22] <dabugas> synd: i told a friend to "fuck the fuck off" when he mentioned it today. so, i don't think i'll try it. i just tried windows xp last month (for the first and last time). nothing like a good linux system
[12:22] <PecK> synd just for curiosity sake i think. it took me time, but i think i can pass win now
[12:23] <scizzo> socomm: that port opening is for accessing from outside the network....at the moment you are using a internal network...so if you where to login to another machine outside of the router then you would be able to access that IP and port.....
[12:23] <dabugas> eruin: cedega? battlefield? (now i am the fool :)
[12:23] <sobersabre> l3wwy, if it weren't there... you wouldn't have it..
[12:23] <l3wwy> oh
[12:23] <l3wwy> ok
[12:23] <scizzo> socomm: inside its always open unless you tell a firewall to block internally....or something simular
[12:23] <black_Nightmare> you know....I'm just curious but...is it difficult to run graphics from X?  (no desktops loaded that is)
[12:23] <sobersabre> l3wwy, do u have LEDs on any of the endpoints DHCP server <-> your box ?
[12:23] <synd> oh of course linux is much better.. ive been using it for 3 days now and ive already trashed xp on my main PC (no way im gonna trash OSX on my iBook tho :))
[12:23] <sobersabre> does the network card have LEDs ?
[12:23] <black_Nightmare> I've seen various dos-only picture viewer and some low-featured movie clip players so
[12:23] <l3wwy> as in data transfer lights sobersabre?
[12:23] <folta> i have some kind of dependency problem with slocate
[12:24] <dockane> where can i switch off this shocking BEEEP! (i.e. on a terminal pressed too often backspace)
[12:24] <l3wwy> on the hub i do
[12:24] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, theres some apps to do so, but i dont remember their names
[12:24] <Dalk-Away> google it
[12:24] <PecK> ok who's got a perfectly working iPod - Linux system????
[12:24] <sobersabre> l3wwy, so you have a hub
[12:24] <socomm> scizzo: Thanks again.
[12:24] <sobersabre> ...
[12:24] <folta> i get the following message wheni try to install it : E: /cdrom//pool/main/s/slocate/slocate_2.7-4_amd64.deb:  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
[12:24] <garrut> anyone here using freenx?
[12:24] <l3wwy> yes
[12:24] <folta> does anyone know what to do?
[12:24] <l3wwy> i have a hub
[12:24] <eruin> dabugas: you haven't heard of battlefield? what if I show you this: http://www.eagames.com/official/battlefield/vietnam/us/home.jsp ? it's only the greatest gaming series in existence :P
[12:24] <sobersabre> not switch - HUB...
[12:24] <l3wwy> sobersabre its getting pretty crowded in here, wanna go privite?
[12:24] <sobersabre> yep
[12:24] <l3wwy> I have a 8-port switching hub
[12:24] <Dalk-Away> battlefield runs good on cedega?
[12:25] <black_Nightmare> dalk-away thanks anyhow.  was wondering about decidated standalone player machine
[12:25] <dockane> eruin : dc rocks the house. the only think i keep windows for
[12:25] <dockane> *thing
[12:25] <synd> PecK, if they can make an iPod port from OSX to XP.. a linux port has to be even easier
[12:25] <eruin> dockane: as in desert combat?
[12:25] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, I've read some howto's written by people who used an old computer as a slideshow if thats what you ment? Perhaps theres something on www.tldp.org
[12:25] <garrut> dockane: u can use dc in linux
[12:25] <eruin> dockane: why don't you use cedega? better performance :o
[12:26] <jroes> cedega costs $$$
[12:26] <garrut> sorry, thought you meant direct connect.. :)
[12:26] <dabugas> eruin: i think i've seen this before. i don't really play games, i'm pretty old-skool. for example: reason enough to put windows up was trying out firaxis (sid meier's) pirates. i remember playing then 1989 version.... :)
[12:26] <LordC> cedega is well worth the money
[12:26] <LordC> You can always get the free CVS though
[12:26] <dockane> eruin : you have to pay for cadega monthly dont you ?
[12:26] <eruin> oh, right. I forgot. linux fanboys can't buy anything
[12:26] <eruin> :o
[12:26] <PecK> synd, everything's ready in Ubuntu, just need to play *.m4a encoded with iTunes and I can't... other solution would be converting them, but that might be as interesting as ripping it all again
[12:27] <LordC> Cedega subscription is Quaterly, and its dirt cheap
[12:27] <eruin> yeah
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> dalk..I was curious more among something like a full-fleedged movie/music player within simple parallel port "wired remote" (likewise play/stop/ff/rw and whatever I can think of to fill all I/O pins)
[12:27] <synd> PecK, i was kinda reading about PyMusique the other day...
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> and of course a reset button in red wired at rear or something in case somehow poor X crashed for no reason
[12:27] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[12:27] <dockane> LordC, quarterly means every 3 month ?
[12:27] <LordC> Yes dock
[12:27] <MidnightDevil> heya
[12:27] <PecK> synd, googling it
[12:27] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, check out www.davedina.org maybe that will float your boat :)
[12:28] <LordC> Why not pay for your first quater, download/install, and unsubscribe?
[12:28] <LordC> Personally I pay for it - as its a gerat service and i can't code - so it's my way of giving something back
[12:28] <MidnightDevil> i just installed kde for ubuntu, everything's running fine, but i can't get my screen back to 1024*1280 - even when on XF86Config-4 the default dept is pointed to 1024*1280
[12:28] <LordC> great*
[12:28] <dockane> LordC, will thing of it
[12:28] <dockane> *think
[12:28] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: you are aware that if anything crashes you can switch to a terminal (ctrl+alt+f1-...) and just kill -9 it?
[12:29] <folta> if i temporarily uninstall cron, will very bad things happen?
[12:29] <synd> PecK, Apple tried to shut it down and sucessfully did.. for about a day. Then PyMusique came out with another to one-up Apple. I dont think Apple's shut that down yet
[12:29] <dockane> paying for caldega is more worth than for wow
[12:29] <black_Nightmare> dabugas..hmm even at X? (no desktops)
[12:29] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, yep
[12:29] <carlitos> hi
[12:29] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: did your x server crash or a program within x?
[12:29] <carlitos> anyone knows if ubuntu warty has a package somewhere for postgresql 8?
[12:29] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, ctrl-alt-f1 to f9 puts you in a fullscreen terminal, f7 takes you back to X
[12:30] <black_Nightmare> ah ok...I'll probably write that shortcut on the rear or side of the box :p
[12:30] <eruin> alt+f7 takes you back to X
[12:30] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: heh. don't worry, linux is a bit strange, but damn it! it works!
[12:30] <dockane> i am wondering if there is a programm to detach hardware from my thinkpad (dvd-rom, 2nd battery etc) ?
[12:30] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, its only for when X crashes really... else you might as well just load a terminal in X
[12:30] <carlitos> hey eruin u know if postgresql8 is in ubuntu?
[12:30] <PecK> synd, PyMusique's website won't open...
[12:31] <Dalk-Away> carlitos, sudo apt-cache search postgresql8
[12:31] <synd> PecK, won't for me either.
[12:31] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: plus, you can run task such as your internet connection and/or apt-get dist-upgrade in a terminal and still be fiddling away with your xserver :)
[12:31] <PecK> synd, a quote from Dvd Jon "It is somewhat interesting from a DMCA/EUCD perspective. The iTunes Music Store actually sells songs without DRM. While iTunes adds DRM to your purchases, PyMusique does not."
 I would like it to firsty look like a recent one and have voice and webcam capabilities (but these arent really needed, just a bonus)
[12:32] <carlitos> Dalk-Away, is it on your output of apt?
[12:32] <synd> PecK: so you're just tryin to get Ubuntu to read *.m4a, correct?
[12:32] <black_Nightmare> its only a rough idea..might not even bother trying it
[12:32] <Dalk-Away> carlitos, download a .deb file from the internet? then use dpkg -i to install it
[12:32] <dabugas> black_Nightmare:what's your system?
[12:32] <Dalk-Away> ill check
[12:33] <synd> PecK, I agree.. he's been a hassle for Apple
[12:33] <PecK> synd yeah
[12:33] <carlitos> is there one?..
[12:33] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: for the "multimedia box" you're describing
[12:33] <Dalk-Away> dabugas, X crashes every now and then for me... but almost always thats because of a game (like armyops) crashing
[12:33] <PecK> synd, plus he's the Dvd ripping guy. Not only for Apple :)
[12:33] <synd> haha, true.
[12:33] <dabugas> Dalk-Away: aaah, like i was saying to eruin, i don't really play games
[12:34] <eruin> Dalk-Away: never seen armyops crash here
[12:34] <Dalk-Away> X shouldn't crash often, if ever really
[12:34] <synd> there isnt a AAC decoder for linux?
[12:34] <Dalk-Away> unles syou overload it
[12:34] <PecK> yes, faac
[12:34] <PecK> it's installed
[12:34] <eruin> faad isn't it?
[12:34] <Dalk-Away> It's not crashed for me while using Ubuntu :)
[12:35] <synd> *.m4a is AAC.. right?
[12:35] <Roey> 349
[12:35] <Roey> who sees that
[12:35] <PecK> yeap
[12:35] <kbrooks> how can I get distutils
[12:35] <synd> but it's not reading it?
[12:35] <dabugas> Dalk-Away: X always seems to consume half my memory but the damn thing is always up... i mean, i've really tried to crash it...
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> carlitos, not in my repositories either. Check out google for a .deb package of it if you can, then dpkg -i to install
[12:35] <PecK> but in my particular case it's iTunes encoded m4a. maybe makes a difference
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> Heh, X takes ALOT of memory yeah - slows me down alot sometimes
[12:35] <synd> Aha.
[12:35] <LCACaptain> kbrooks: distutils is included with python
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> though thats mostly gnome or kde's fault
[12:35] <PecK> eruin, faad and faac I think. Have both in any case :p
[12:35] <black_Nightmare> dabugas..dunno but it'll be whatever hardware I find cheap.... any ATX board...250W or smaller ATX psu...dvd decoder pci card [cheap too] ...agp or pci vga card for at least a good movie res....realtek ethernet card [isa or pci] ....any cheap ide hd large enough...used 16x dvdrom
[12:35] <Dalk-Away> AFK
[12:35] <eruin> hmm, I never touch swap
[12:35] <synd> shoulda downloaded them with PyMusique ! : P
[12:36] <carlitos> Dalk-Away, there doesnt seems to be one..
[12:36] <eruin> you don't have much ram do you? :P
[12:36] <PecK> lol synd
[12:36] <kbrooks> LCACaptain, no it isnt
[12:36] <LCACaptain> kbrooks: you may need to install python-dev
[12:36] <jas_MHz> what is a good FTP client and server ? I like FileZilla but its not in th' apt repositories
[12:36] <grogoreo> jas_MHz, are you using Gnome?
[12:36] <housetier> jas_MHz as client I like ncftp
[12:36] <kbrooks> jas_MHz, that's because its not for linux
[12:36] <grogoreo> jas_MHz, I just use the one that comes with it
[12:36] <gratuit> jas_MHz: for a client, check out gftp
[12:36] <jas_MHz> i am using gnome
[12:37] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: look, one of the reasons worth switching from windows to linux is the dvd playback on a default warty install i got xine (xine-ui is not actually default, but use that, it's better than totem) to run DVDs without any frame-rate loss on 1024x768 on 24 bit.
[12:37] <kbrooks> housetier and grogoreo and gratuit: DUDE
[12:37] <LCACaptain> kbrooks: to install a python application, you usually use "python setup.py install" or something similar
[12:37] <synd> jas: samba ? i dunno
[12:37] <reisi> if I install development release, can I upgrade it to final when it comes out? without re-installing again?
[12:37] <PecK> well I think I've found a good solution synd :p
[12:37] <PecK> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1865.html
[12:37] <kbrooks> housetier and grogoreo and gratuit: you do know that you can use another app from any other dm?
[12:37] <grogoreo> kbrooks, what?
[12:37] <PecK> will just to do that :p
[12:37] <LCACaptain> kbrooks:distutils is a python module, not a standalone application
[12:37] <kbrooks> LCACaptain, i know Python
[12:37] <jas_MHz> sudo apt-get install gftp
[12:38] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: i have a 400 mhz amd and 256 ram. this is just borderline dvd playing capabilities for windows but linux it plays fine
[12:38] <gratuit> kbrooks: to second what grogoreo said, what?
[12:38] <synd> PecK, sounds about the only way you can do it!
[12:38] <jazzka> hi!
[12:38] <black_Nightmare> dabugas....you tell me :p  and I think a dvd decoder pci card would offset a bit of the cpu's load or am I wrong?
[12:38] <^thehatsrule^> ive played dvd's on my 333mhz with 64mb ram...
[12:38] <housetier> kbrooks please tell me more about these applications from other desktop managers...
[12:38] <kbrooks> gratuit, i'm using knode in ubuntu
[12:39] <eruin> I wish nautilus-burner could do isos
[12:39] <PecK> switched to the laptop as will run iTunes for probably the last time now :p
[12:39] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: not with windows, i presume... ahahahaha :)
[12:39] <jazzka> which IDS do you recommend for a normal paranoic user? (easy to use)
[12:39] <dockane> i installed a packet with synaptic when i choose from the menue -> Packet-> Configure , i get an error that libgnome2-perl is not installed. what went wrong ?
[12:39] <Pizbit> eruin: Erm, it can
[12:39] <synd> PecK, i dont think you can re-rip songs that are protected..
[12:39] <eruin> Pizbit: oh?
[12:39] <scizzo> eruin: right click and then Burn to CD?
[12:39] <kbrooks> who says I can't use another application  from kde in gnome?
[12:39] <Pizbit> eruin: You just right click on where the iso is, and tell it to burn
[12:39] <kbrooks> hmmm?
[12:39] <eruin> scizzo: you're kidding me right
[12:39] <scizzo> eruin: no
[12:39] <jas_MHz> gftp is good but what about an ftp server
[12:39] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, actually win98... long ago
[12:39] <scizzo> eruin: try it
[12:39] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: actually i've decided that dvds play as follows: they either do or don't. the former case is linux, the latter is windows
[12:39] <synd> PecK, ie. the ones you bought from the iTMS
[12:40] <PecK> synd, all are ripped from cd's, don't think they're protected. don't have any from iTMS
[12:40] <grogoreo> does gnome have anything like k3b?
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> you just do a cache and its fine
[12:40] <synd> oh!
[12:40] <synd> i misunderstood
[12:40] <Pizbit> grogoreo: There is gnomebaker
[12:40] <scizzo> grogoreo: graveman?
[12:40] <PecK> unless it's the default option in iTunes
[12:40] <Pizbit> grogoreo: Fairly good but it has a fair bit to go
[12:40] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: i'm not an insane techie or anything but to get DVDs to play in windows i had to close everything (incl. explorer) and use 640x480 16-bit.
[12:40] <synd> hmm.. but the faac wont play them?
[12:40] <eruin> lol, scizzo, Pizbit thanks for pointing that out to me.. I would've never thought of that :P
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> LOL
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> maybe it was my great video card hehe
[12:40] <synd> my friend runs fedora core 3 and plays AAC files
[12:40] <PecK> synd, complicated a lot for nothing then huh? still got to know about PyMusique, will be google-alert-aware to that now :p
[12:40] <^thehatsrule^> ATI 8mb <3
[12:40] <grogoreo> Pizbit, scizzo, how do they comare to k3b, cause k3b is really really good (in my opinion!)
[12:41] <scizzo> grogoreo: why not try them or look at the websites for them?
[12:41] <eruin> Grock: gnomebaker is much better imo
[12:41] <Pizbit> grogoreo: Not as fully featured, but works a lot simpler imho
[12:41] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: my friend you were fucking lucky, i have a (borrowed) geforce 440 mx and a (bought... spend a lot of dosh on this) TEAC DVD-R
[12:41] <scizzo> grogoreo: everything depends on how you like applications also you know...
[12:41] <gratuit> I've had problems with gnome-baker freezing while burning
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> theres X-cdroast
[12:41] <PecK> synd was running FC3 too and still couldn't... don't get it
[12:41] <eruin> while rhythmbox (0.8.99) beats the living crap out of k3b for audio burning
[12:41] <Pizbit> grogoreo: Mainly because it's a new project
[12:41] <Pizbit> gratuit: There's no -
[12:41] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: and _still_ windows was just freeze-framing all over the place
[12:41] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, did you use a cache?
[12:42] <synd> Peck, haha. but yeah, the default for encoding with iTunes is AAC. it's actually a much better format because it has better quality than mp3 and is smaller..
[12:42] <eruin> ohwell
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> sorta like a hard-drive cache
[12:42] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: a bit...
[12:42] <verden01> Hi
[12:42] <eruin> I'm off to replace my aging ubuntu install with a fresh daily hoary ;)
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> if i dont use it, then theres a slight lag
[12:42] <^thehatsrule^> but if i do, then its all fine
[12:42] <grogoreo> Pizbit, scizzo, ok, thanks guys. I'll give them a go
[12:42] <kbrooks> i wonder why the fuck apt is dling EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY-EIGHT PACKAGES
[12:42] <PecK> synd Am installing amaroK and I'll see if it works with it
[12:42] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: still, that shouldn't be necessary with anything above 300-400 mhz computers
[12:43] <kbrooks> i ask yall: WHY
[12:43] <PecK> kbrooks, lol
[12:43] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Hrm, that does sound like a rather large number
[12:43] <Pizbit> kbrooks: However drop the language and capital letters eh?:)
[12:43] <eruin> the answer is 46 today.
[12:43] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Got anything odd in your sources.list?
[12:44] <kbrooks> Pizbit, 898! do you believe it!
[12:44] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: & i'm running bloatware gnome... and still dvds play much better. the funny thing is that DVD Shrink under wine is more responsive under linux. don't get me started... grrr ;)
[12:44] <kbrooks> er
[12:44] <garrut> lol
[12:44] <kbrooks> no
[12:44] <kbrooks> nothing odd
[12:44] <kbrooks> why
[12:44] <synd> anyone use kubuntu? like the kde better than gnome?
[12:44] <Pizbit> synd: Are you sure you want to start a flame war and be called a troll?
[12:44] <kbrooks> Pizbit, no i havent
[12:45] <apokryphos> synd: right here. :)
[12:45] <PecK> i'm in love with gnome right nom synd :p
[12:45] <eruin> Pizbit: join #kubuntu
[12:45] <osity> airox: why would I not be able to use putty to login to ubuntu?
[12:45] <Pizbit> eruin: *why?*
[12:45] <eruin> it's best to keep the kde and gnome fanboys seperate
[12:45] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, thats really weird hehe
[12:45] <gratuit> synd: to fan the flames..... fluxbox all the way, baby
[12:45] <osity> i guess hewhy would I not be able to use putty to login to ubuntu?
[12:45] <synd> Piz: not really
[12:45] <^thehatsrule^> i like fluxbox
[12:45] <apokryphos> eruin: Not really
[12:45] <Pizbit> osity: You don't have a ssh server running on ubuntu?
[12:45] <Pizbit> synd: --> #kubuntu then :)
[12:45] <synd> Piz: OSX rules them all so ; P
[12:46] <synd> Piz: thanks!
[12:46] <eruin> apokryphos: well, unless you want constant rants and raves about which DE sux and which DE rox,etc, you do ;)
[12:46] <Pizbit> synd: Ah, so you are a troll:P
[12:46] <bwlang> i need to read bytes 0x3766200 to 0x3769c48 from one file and write them out to another... anybody know how to do this?
[12:46] <Pizbit> synd: Nah, kde-look.org and look at the screen shots
[12:46] <garrut> i like my gnome desktop, haven't really used kde in years though (http://iamdebom.com/stuff/Screenshot.png)
[12:46] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: i used to use larswm (still a fave) or sawfish... but i've missed eye-candy so i'm sticking with gnome right now.
[12:46] <apokryphos> eruin: Erm, no. I guess you haven't seen many kde/gnome discussions in here. :)
[12:46] <synd> but kubuntu is pretty much ubuntu with KDE, right?
[12:47] <synd> thats the only difference
[12:47] <synd> ?
[12:47] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: but really, all versions of windows seems to bog down after a couple of months, linux always works (or doesn't... which is a pain in the ass :)
[12:47] <apokryphos> synd: that's exactly it, yes.
[12:47] <apokryphos> Different default setup
[12:47] <synd> i see.
[12:47] <jas_MHz> ANy Hoary peeps having trubl with sound in VLC - video good just no noise ( other apps have sound ) ???
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, hehe - its mostly because of the filesystem - if you do use it again, make lotsa partitions, one for swap too
[12:48] <^thehatsrule^> just like linux... sort of :P
[12:48] <Pizbit> jas_MHz: Chances are you need to set vlc to use esd
[12:48] <eruin> apokryphos: no, that's the scary thing... ubuntu people seem so mature
[12:48] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: windows or linux? i lost ya
[12:48] <PecK> jas_MHz, happened to me, played with mplayer from terminal and worked fine. Didn't solve the problem, but I enjoyed the movie just then
[12:48] <synd> yellow dog is default KDE right?
[12:49] <^thehatsrule^> dabugas, in windows lol
[12:49] <Zugot> man... i can't keep my wireless connection up
[12:49] <Zugot> this ain't cool
[12:49] <osity> pizbit....how do i turn it on?
[12:49] <PecK> what's your card? Zugot
[12:50] <Zugot> PecK, its a internal broadcom that came with my compaq
[12:50] <Pizbit> Heh, probably somewhere in vlc option, you might need to install the vlc-plugin-esd package too thouhg
[12:50] <roo_> i use ubuntu without gnome (fvwm user!) -- sound doesnt work in some apps tho (gaim, firefox) but works fine with mplayer, beep etc.
[12:50] <dabugas> ^thehatsrule^: i've been mostly running linux since '98 with a few digressions into windows. i went to windows because they work better... in the beginning. but windows is an ungrateful servant that will stab you in the back several violent and bloody times. not worth it, in my opinion.
[12:50] <roo_> im guessing its a sound daemon issue, i dont run esd.
[12:51] <Pizbit> roo_: By firefox do you mean flash?
[12:51] <jas_MHz> i'm getting a "main audio outpu couldn't set an output pipeline" error with vlc ???
[12:51] <l3wwy> crud
[12:51] <Zugot> if i could get x11 working at 1280x800 and my wireless problems fixed, i would have no more issues with my laptop in x86 mode
[12:51] <l3wwy> who was the person that was just helping me in here?
[12:51] <Pizbit> roo_: You'll need to set gaim to use alsa, flash doesn't understand alsa only esd(not sure if artsd too)
[12:51] <roo_> Pizbit, err yep, sorry that was my bad :)
[12:51] <synd> damn i wish i knew this much about ubuntu before i stripped down an old AMD Athlon 1.3GHz, 512MB, 40GB for parts
[12:51] <Zugot> when vmware 5 comes out and my vpn software works in 32 bit, i'll be able to move to amd64 ubuntu
[12:51] <sobersabre> Zugot, which wifi nic do you own ?
[12:51] <l3wwy> who was the person that was just helping me in here?
[12:51] <Zugot> its a broadcom
[12:51] <sobersabre> me
[12:52] <l3wwy> oh
[12:52] <l3wwy> sorry sober
[12:52] <Zugot> i'm using the bcmwl5 driver
[12:52] <roo_> Pizbit, ah got gaim working by using "aplay", sweet :)
[12:52] <smouche> ouch, synd.  I feel for you...
[12:52] <osity> pizbit....how do i turn n the ssh server?
[12:52] <Zugot> hmm
[12:52] <Zugot> i may have found some new drivers
[12:52] <roo_> Pizbit, flash _was_ working a few days ago in gnome so im guessing its an esd thing.
[12:52] <Pizbit> osity: Install ssh
[12:52] <folta> i  tried to enable the universe repo by uncommenting the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, but when i open synaptic i get the error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gb.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) - can anyone help?
[12:52] <roo_> Pizbit, how do i enable esd outside of gnome?
[12:52] <dabugas> synd: an old WHAT?
[12:53] <Pizbit> roo_: Just run esd :)
[12:53] <osity> pizbit ......is that the command?
[12:53] <Pizbit> roo_: And then tell everything to use esd :D
[12:53] <stuNNed> how to load custom dsdt in hoary?
[12:53] <synd> lol is it socket A dabugas?
[12:53] <Pizbit> osity: Nope
[12:53] <roo_> Pizbit, woo! :D
[12:53] <alf> hellooo....does any one knows how to set up a wireless connection wiyh a usb linksys card?
[12:53] <Zugot> oops... thats a negative on the wireless drivers
[12:53] <osity> pizbit: what's the command?
[12:53] <roo_> This irc channel is really useful, thanks a lot guys.
[12:53] <roo_> :)
[12:53] <Zugot> alf, there is a ndiswrapper tutorial on ubuntulinux.org
[12:53] <Pizbit> osity: If you can't figure out how to install an SSH server you should *not* be running one.
[12:54] <osity> really?
[12:54] <synd> dabugas: well..  BUWAHAHAHAHAHA! :pppp
[12:54] <alf> tkx..:)
[12:54] <Pizbit> osity: I'm too polite to say:P
[12:54] <tvelocity> jas_MHz, /notice ?
[12:54] <PecK> jas_MHz, /query maybe
[12:54] <osity> whatever dude.....what are you referring to?
[12:55] <Pizbit> jas_MHz: Just talk to people in the channel geeze.
[12:55] <synd> dabugas: lol! being a accounting/computer engineering dual major.. that day will come
[12:55] <jas_MHz> jas_MHz: ?
[12:55] <Zugot> synd, i was an accounting/comp sci major
[12:55] <roo_> osity, i think Pizbit's just saying that running an ssh server is a security concern for any user.
[12:55] <dabugas> synd: i can find cheap athlons... but i'm a rather broke college student. i rely on donations. (the computer i have is my brother's old one)
[12:55] <Zugot> then i dropped out and got a job
[12:55] <dragonbyte> does anyone have an IGP 320U working w/ 3D?
[12:56] <roo_> osity, and that if you can read docs on how to config sshd then u can also read docs on how to stay secure, which is good :)
[12:56] <dabugas> synd: i'm an english major... but i'm working as a secretary.. .that day is already here. tomorrow, in fact :(
[12:56] <osity> where is the security concern if its an internal file server? or are you assuming
[12:56] <synd> dabugas: ill send you an old celeron 600Mhz
[12:57] <roo_> osity, /usr/sbin/sshd
[12:57] <synd> lol bought it for 100$ four years ago.. i dont think its worth the shipping price now lol
[12:57] <dabugas> synd: that's quite a few Hz more than what i have
[12:57] <PecK> how sould I type the mount command to write into fstab to mount dev/hda4 that is fat 32 into /mnt/data ?
[12:57] <Zugot> when i plug my mouse in, hotplug should just pick it up.... correct?
[12:57] <Burgundavia> Zugot: yes
[12:57] <Pizbit> PecK: mount doesn't write anything into the fstab
[12:58] <Zugot> i hope my mouse wasn't doa from the store
[12:58] <PecK> been trying to find out with man for hours, but can't seem to be able to think
[12:58] <synd> dabugas: i actually yanked the 10GB HDD from that computer (its an emachines) and put it on my main PC to run ubuntu
[12:58] <jas_MHz> I installed vlc-plugin-esd but I'm still getting "oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp)" -- NE ideas ??
[12:58] <synd> which im on now :)
[12:58] <PecK> Pizbit, oh. then I need to vim fstab?
[12:58] <PecK> Pizbit, in that case I'm lost too
[12:59] <PecK> lol plz
[12:59] <dabugas> synd: i'm actually quite happy with my HDs. i have a fairly old 6 GB hd which i use for my os. a hardy hd which has been around for half-a-decade without a single problem and a 20 gb for backups/dvds/mp3s/etc
[12:59] <Pizbit> /dev/hda4       /mnt/data          vfat    rw,user,auto,umask=000  0       0
[01:00] <PecK> Pizbit, you're an angel, thx. is that umask string too hard to explain? :p
[01:00] <Pizbit> PecK: Permission stuff?:)
[01:00] <Zugot> i have some mouse issues
[01:00] <Zugot> maybe i'll need to reboot
[01:00] <Pizbit> Zugot: Buy a cat!:D
[01:00] <Zugot> Pizbit, lol
[01:00] <Zugot> i'm tired of using the trackpad on this laptop
[01:01] <synd> dabugas: true. i remember the days when I first heard the word Gigbyte. I remember thinking "why the hell would anyone want a whole GB of storage?!"
[01:01] <smouche> I need an 80 gig hd just to have room for obsessive flirtations with different distros; the partitions are getting really confusing... ;-)
[01:01] <PecK> Pizbit, :) hum!!!!!!! i'll dig myself then ;)
[01:01] <roo_> can someone run:     dpkg -S `which esd`
[01:01] <roo_> and tell me output pls :)
[01:01] <dabugas> synd: ditto. those were strange times indeed. we'll be telling this stuff to our children and they won't believe us. my father used to work with punch cards. huh? who remembers THAT?
[01:01] <synd> dabugas: I was like "jeeze, i bet bill gates has like 4-5 GB on his computer!"
[01:02] <synd> so true.
[01:02] <black_Nightmare> dabugas...can I ask you something? :p
[01:02] <smouche> heh , just a month ago, I thought, "a gig for email?? are they nuts?"  now already my gmail account is about 20 percent full...
[01:03] <stu> anyone here got their IPOD to sync with ryhtmbox? I click on the IPOD button and nothing happens - looking for some pointers as I'm not getting any errors
[01:03] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: sure...
[01:03] <synd> times are a-changin
[01:03] <synd> pretty soon.. holographic memory will be readily availiable
[01:03] <roo_> Pizbit, what does dpkg -S `which esd`   give you?
[01:03] <dabugas> synd: what was your first computer?
[01:03] <dazed_> someone help? ... how come in "network:///" only my samba network shows up and not my nfs???
[01:03] <Pizbit> roo_: I don't use esd.
[01:03] <smouche> dabugas, unfortunately, I remember that.  Computer majors at my college were still using them...
[01:03] <black_Nightmare> dabugs....get some black paper (any cheap kid/drawing type can do) and cut into cards ..then build a simple circuit that uses one LED and one infraed receiver LED ......
[01:04] <osity> roo:  what do i do when im in the ssh directory
[01:04] <black_Nightmare> and have fun trying to "punch" right holes to make the circuit output what you was wanting it to do
[01:04] <black_Nightmare> ;)
[01:04] <dazed_> anyone any ideas?
[01:04] <osity> roo: apt-get sshd?
[01:04] <dragonbyte> i am trying to compile the radeon drivers but I keep getting i2c_bit_del_bus unknown symbol errors
[01:04] <dragonbyte> what am i missing
[01:04] <tvelocity> you guys read to much ./ :P
[01:05] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: heh... i'm glad i WON'T have to ever do this... but i've been through some crappy stuff with computers
[01:05] <delire> dragonbyte: /join #ati would be my advice
[01:05] <roo_> osity, apt-get install openssh-server
[01:05] <delire> dragonbyte: it's likely you don't have the right kernel headers
[01:05] <dabugas> smouche: when are you talking about?
[01:05] <osity> roo thanks ....i actually did so that last night...
[01:06] <black_Nightmare> dabugas...lololol :p
[01:06] <roo> osity, np, be sure to run it on a random-ass port and tell noone. dont run on 22 :p
[01:06] <synd> dabugas: well i remember when I was in the 1st-2nd grade we had really old school Apple's.. cant remember but they were beige (im 18 now). but the very first computer my family owned (got it back in 93) was a Packard Bell 66MHz Intel (not even pentium), 8MB RAM, 2x CD ROM, floppy, 250MB HDD
[01:06] <dabugas> black_Nightmare: what software are you using for chat?
[01:06] <smouche> dabugas:  '79, '80...
[01:06] <dragonbyte> delire: thats what I dont get, it seems to work fine with 2.6.5, but now on 2.6.11 they compile and radeon.ko gives that error
[01:06] <Pizbit> synd: Hot damn, 8MB of RAM? You lucky sod
[01:06] <synd> i know! it was 3000$ at the time!
[01:06] <Pizbit> And a HD! And a cd drive! >.<
[01:06] <smouche> actually my father taught at the first US college to require all incoming freshman to have a pc
[01:07] <roo> osity, do you run gnome?
[01:07] <dabugas> can smouche, black_Nightmare and synd please join #ld_computer_foggies ?
[01:07] <dabugas> can smouche, black_Nightmare and synd please join #old_computer_foggies ?
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> dabugas... xchat for irc on family's computer ... and as for my pc (still a bit more work to do before its fully ready) its using xchat for irc and gaim for messengering :p
[01:07] <osity> roo..I dont use gui....unfortunately I dont know how to choose ports....
[01:07] <robertj> can OOo2's base application be finagled into working with the current packages?
[01:07] <black_Nightmare> LOL dabugas :))
[01:07] <smouche> dabugas dude, I still think Pong was an awesome game.
[01:07] <delire> dragonbyte: have you grabbed the latest ati driver, unpacked it and tried a new make?
[01:07] <MidnightDevil> re
[01:07] <dabugas> can smouche, black_Nightmare and synd please join #old_computer_foggies ?
[01:08] <PecK> synd, no results with amarok either
[01:08] <synd> PecK: dang.
[01:08] <roo> osity, edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and change the port number in there.
[01:08] <smouche> somebody debug dabugas's keyboard please.
[01:08] <delire> dragonbyte: i use 2.6.10, so have not encountered this error. search for that error in http://google.com/linux
[01:08] <synd> PecK: when my buddy signs on.. ill ask him about AAC
[01:08] <PecK> synd, indeed. iTunes mp3 reencode. oh, unless that :)
[01:08] <Kirsch> hey guys, when i close my laptop and open it, xscreensaver asks for my password yet xscreensaver isn't configured for it
[01:08] <Kirsch> i'm using hoary
[01:08] <delire> dragonbyte: that's a very recent kernel, it's possible ati hasn't caught up
[01:09] <PecK> Kirsch, don't think it's Xscreensaver that's doing it
[01:09] <dragonbyte> delire: ati is a bunch of...well yeah...dri.freedesktop.org is where it came from
[01:09] <dragonbyte> delire: apparently i may need i2c support in kernel
[01:09] <Kirsch> PecK: what is it then?
[01:09] <dazed> Hey people i have a problem with xmms ... it loads up then exits immediately anyone have any ideas?
[01:09] <Kirsch> dazed: have u run it with strace ?
[01:10] <MidnightDevil> guys, on synaptic when i click something to be removed, there are some dependencies like kubuntu-desktop and alike, is it still safe to remove them?
[01:10] <nuge> dazed, are you running it from the command-line, does it say anything in the terminal ?
[01:10] <dazed> Kirsch: i dunno what strace is nor how to do it?
[01:10] <roo> i dont have the "esd" binary installed, which package is it in?
[01:10] <roo> someone please run  dpkg -S `which esd`   :(
[01:10] <Kirsch> dazed: strace xmms, see what/if what it crashes on
[01:10] <dazed> nuge: libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:10] <PecK> Kirsch, wouldn't know the name of the thing, but maybe something related to power management
[01:10] <dazed> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[01:10] <PecK> and recovery
[01:11] <nuge> dazed, that sounds like something worth googl'ing
[01:11] <Kirsch> hmm...
[01:11] <dazed> okie dokie nuge
[01:12] <MidnightDevil> guys, on synaptic when i click something to be removed, there are some dependencies like kubuntu-desktop and alike, is it still safe to remove them?
[01:14] <eruin> eek, the aa-fonts in hoary standard sure arent as pretty as they were in my last install
[01:14] <eruin> :/
[01:14] <eruin> now if I could only remember what I did to modify that :P
[01:14] <grogoreo> is it supposed to be cool to have a Microsoft Certification? http://global.msads.net/ads/53432/0000053432_000000000000000142630.jpg
[01:15] <nuge> eruin really? damn, they looked pretty good to me
[01:15] <eruin> well
[01:15] <eruin> mine looked even better
[01:15] <eruin> :p
[01:15] <eruin> I think its gotta be the hinting setting
[01:15] <nuge> well if you figure it out, hook me up with a screenshot if ya can :)
[01:15] <MidnightDevil> is my question that hard?
[01:15] <MidnightDevil> lol
[01:15] <eruin> if you choose full hinting in the gnome font settings dialog, it doesnt get saved
[01:15] <eruin> only medium gets saved :/
[01:16] <mjr> grogoreo, well, at least it proves you're certifiable
[01:16] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, yes its fine
[01:16] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, you can allways reinstall them
[01:16] <folta> i need to find the kernel-headers package corresponding to  2.6.10-4-amd64-generic - anyone know where it is?
[01:16] <dabugas> apokryphos: giati apokrivese?
[01:17] <apokryphos> dabugas: na min me doune :D
[01:17] <grogoreo> folta, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/linux-headers-2.6.10-4-amd64-generic
[01:17] <folta> they just seem to go up to 2.6.9-9
[01:17] <apokryphos> dabugas: dika mou apokrypha! :P
[01:17] <dabugas> apokryphos: aha. diladi apokriveis tin parousia sou gia na min theathei?
[01:17] <MidnightDevil> ok, thanx :)
[01:17] <folta> thanks grogoreo, how do i install that?
[01:18] <infidel> will i have to do anything special after i install xfce or kde to get the desktop to come up
[01:18] <apokryphos> dabugas: Den to skeftika (to onoma) poly. Oti nane. ;)
[01:18] <dabugas> apokryphos: aha. apo pou eisai kai pou eisai?
[01:18] <grogoreo> folta, hmm dont really know. I only did a google for it!
[01:19] <grogoreo> folta, try synaptic maybe
[01:19] <nuge> isn't there a package? should be able to find it in synaptic
[01:19] <folta> grogoreo, that's the thing, i can't find anything that recent
[01:19] <folta> i need it to install this wireless card driver thing
[01:20] <grogoreo> folta, ive just tried to download it from that link but none of the download links seem to be working
[01:20] <nuge> folta is there a 64-bit driver? or do you have to use ndiswrapper
[01:20] <grogoreo> folta, http://higgs.djpig.de/cgi-ubuntu/download.pl
[01:20] <folta> nuge, the driver for it is open source so it works whatever
[01:20] <nuge> i just got this laptop and will have to put wireless on it sometime today (amd64)
[01:20] <osity> roo: it says not using locking for readonly lock file...
[01:20] <infidel> folta, what card?
[01:20] <osity> how do i know if its already installed
[01:20] <roo> osity, are u running it using sudo?
[01:21] <osity> ooops
[01:21] <osity>  :)
[01:21] <roo> :p
[01:21] <infidel> folta, i'm on wireless right now
[01:21] <nuge> infidel, 64-bit os?
[01:22] <osity> it's going now...with a bunch of post drop warnings
[01:22] <folta> infidel, it's one with an ralink rt2500 chipset
[01:22] <osity> I think I already installed it....i could ssh in but could not edit anything.
[01:23] <grogoreo> folta, did you install the 64bit version of Ubuntu?
[01:23] <osity> yesterday...
[01:23] <folta> grogoreo, yep, i used the amd-64 iso
[01:23] <roo> osity, talking to me?
[01:23] <folta> grogoreo, that's why my kernel  version is amd64-generic at the end
[01:23] <osity> ya
[01:24] <osity> i was
[01:24] <infidel> folta, i wasn't here for the first part, was there a driver installed
[01:24] <roo> osity, good practise to put someone's full nick in front of a msg, just so its clear.
[01:24] <dazed> hey whats it mean when it says "Not starting NFS daemons: No exports" what do i need to get?
[01:24] <roo> dazed, have u set up /etc/exports ?
[01:24] <folta> infidel, i'm fairly sure that the driver isn't installed, though i could be wrong - how can i check that?
[01:24] <grogoreo> dazed, i think it means that you've not got any folders shared
[01:25] <infidel> lspci -v
[01:25] <roo> dazed, grogoreo is right you need to create or edit /etc/exports and share some directories
[01:25] <dazed> grogoreo: i have a folder shared but its shared via samba i dunno how to change it to nfs
[01:25] <grogoreo> you using hoary?
[01:26] <dazed> roo: ^
[01:26] <dazed> warty
[01:26] <osity> roo: thanks for the tip
[01:26] <infidel> do you see the card? if so try lsmod to check the driver
[01:26] <roo> osity, np and thats better :)
[01:26] <dazed> i know how to change it on hoary
[01:26] <dazed> but not on warty
[01:26] <osity> roo: why would i be getting tonnes of postdrops warnings....?
[01:26] <PecK> synd, any news from ur friend? :p
[01:26] <roo> osity, ive never had those, google?
[01:26] <osity> ok
[01:27] <roo> osity, google the exact messages/warnings ur getting, something will come up im sure.
[01:27] <tsaphah> sometimes Gnome is real refreshing compared to KDE.
[01:27] <roo> dazed, how would u change it in warty?
[01:27] <dazed> roo: im in exports what would an example look like to add?
[01:27] <grogoreo> dazed, http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;1795587325;fp;512;fpid;1783981662
[01:28] <dazed> roo: in hoary all you do is right click and click on sharing and u can change samba or nfs u cant do that on wary
[01:29] <roo> dazed, the following line:   /home/roo/share lappy(rw,sync)
[01:29] <stu> anyone here got their IPOD to sync with ryhtmbox? I click on the IPOD button and nothing happens - looking for some pointers as I'm not getting any errors
[01:29] <roo> dazed, will share the folder /home/roo/share to client "lappy"
[01:29] <roo> dazed, google for nfs exports, plenty of info there dude.
[01:29] <MidnightDevil> how do i mount a nt share on a server?
[01:30] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, SAMBA
[01:30] <roo> MidnightDevil, samba
[01:30] <roo> oops
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> ok, i just apt-get install samba
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> it installed
[01:30] <dazed> roo: the deal is i have a hoary laptop and warty comp...and on my warty pc i cant see any NFS folders whats the deal with that?
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> now, i used to type mount -t smbfs -o username=blabla,password=blabla //server/share /mnt/server
[01:30] <MidnightDevil> but it says "wrong fs type"
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> or "bad option"
[01:31] <roo> MidnightDevil, have u read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba ?
[01:31] <grogoreo> why not use GNOME to mount it?
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> MidnightDevil: apt-get install smbfs
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> oh ok!
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> im running kde
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> roo, i havent, this is the way i used to do
[01:31] <grogoreo> MidnightDevil, ah ok sorry
[01:31] <MidnightDevil> thank you roo, and LeeJunFan
[01:31] <LeeJunFan> MidnightDevil: you can use kde/konqueror also in location smb://server/share
[01:32] <MidnightDevil> even if its on a domain ?
[01:32] <roo> konqueror's smb support rocks :)
[01:32] <LeeJunFan> MidnightDevil: as long as your machine is on the same subnet it should work.
[01:32] <roo> dazed, have u managed to start the nfs service?
[01:32] <MidnightDevil> ok :) trying apt-get install smbfs
[01:32] <dazed> i dont believe so
[01:32] <dazed> ill look it up though roo i have to goto class now thanks for the info
[01:33] <grogoreo> dazed, have you had a read of that link i said?
[01:33] <roo> dazed, ok, im pretty sure ur just missing one line in /etc/exports, dont give up
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> oh oh
[01:33] <dazed> ok thanks
[01:33] <osity> would you guys recomment ubuntu as a file server?
[01:33] <delire> dragonbyte: yeah compile the kernel with i2c support. it's there under 'drivers'. i have it as a module.
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it.
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> 12138: protocol negotiation failed
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> SMB connection failed
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> I think I need to specify the domain
[01:33] <MidnightDevil> lol
[01:33] <l3wwy> ok
[01:33] <roo> osity, depends very much on the specific requirements of the file server. intra/internet server?
[01:34] <dragonbyte> delire: yeah working on that
[01:34] <l3wwy> so anyone here can help me setup a network connection on ubuntu?
[01:34] <dragonbyte> Delgul: trying to figure out what all i2c stuff i need
[01:34] <l3wwy> i want eth2 to work correctly using DHCP but its not
[01:34] <l3wwy> all the drivers are loaded
[01:34] <dragonbyte> delire: was meant for you even :)
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, would we!
[01:34] <dragonbyte> brb
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, uhhh.
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, *thinks*
[01:34] <kbrooks> osity, yeah
[01:36] <l3wwy> so can anyone help me get my eth2 DHCP connection working?
[01:36] <black_Nightmare> brb for supper :p
[01:36] <l3wwy> in hoary?
[01:36] <roo> l3wwy, whats the problem?
[01:36] <l3wwy> i have eth0, eth1, and eth2
[01:36] <l3wwy> eth0 is screwed
[01:36] <l3wwy> eth1 is currently inactive
[01:37] <l3wwy> and eth2 does not pick up any dhclient stuff
[01:37] <osity> i want to use it as a local box to store files on so everyone can access thats it...
[01:37] <l3wwy> when i plug the net cable into eth1 too
[01:37] <l3wwy> the same thing happens
[01:38] <roo> osity, im sure it'd be fine for that.
[01:38] <l3wwy> so roo, can u help us?
[01:38] <roo> l3wwy, so none of the interfaces work?
[01:38] <l3wwy> well they're there
[01:38] <roo> l3wwy, thats a good start.
[01:39] <roo> l3wwy, u got access to the machine now?
[01:39] <l3wwy> mii-tool picks it up as having a link beat
[01:39] <l3wwy> yeh
[01:39] <l3wwy> right next to me
[01:39] <l3wwy> roo go private?
[01:39] <numb> i'm having a problem with ubuntu, after sometime using it it appears that the filesystem is read only, can anyone help me?
[01:41] <osity> roo:  it would appear that i can ssh....so what would stop me from modifying stuff?  i can only browse...
[01:41] <roo> osity, _what_ are you browsing? you wont have permissions unless you're browsing your own stuff.
[01:41] <osity> roo: many I should create a administrator
[01:42] <osity> roo:i am using winscp to ssh in
[01:42] <roo> osity, u need to create an account on the server for yourself, like "user1" or something
[01:42] <roo> osity, then log in with that user
[01:42] <osity> roo: how about an admin user?
[01:42] <roo> osity, yes, that would work, the setup is down to you.
[01:42] <osity> ok....
[01:43] <osity> :)
[01:43] <roo> osity, u need to think about security tho, which someone tried to tell u earlier.
[01:44] <osity> roo:on an internal file server? we have 5 employees
[01:44] <osity> roo: what security do you mean?
[01:44] <l3wwy> yes, but one could be a l33t warez hoster!
[01:44] <osity> hehe
[01:45] <roo> osity, sshd is a daemon. its good practise to think about security whenever running any daemons.
[01:45] <l3wwy> i dont tend towards thinking about security
[01:45] <l3wwy> if anyone wants the crap on my puter
[01:45] <l3wwy> they can have it
[01:46] <osity> roo: point....taken....what do you suggest?
[01:46] <roo> osity, suggest about what?
[01:46] <l3wwy> suggest security
[01:46] <l3wwy> what means of security
[01:47] <l3wwy> i'd say 256bit encryption
[01:47] <roo> osity, if you're gona run a server u need to know about these things anyway, right?
[01:47] <l3wwy> 256 SSL
[01:47] <Yomic> Does anyone know where I can find information about hardware manipulation? (with information like www.i-hacked.com has)
[01:47] <gratuit> l3wwy: until they use your puter as a means for downloading kiddie porn, and then the feds bust in arresting you
[01:47] <roo> osity, so google and look on http://www.tldp.org/
[01:48] <l3wwy> famous last words "It wont happen to me"
[01:48] <gratuit> security is always something to think about
[01:48] <acidspoon> how can i install jre under ubuntu?
[01:48] <l3wwy> yeh
[01:48] <l3wwy> well when i get hax0red i'll secure my PC
[01:48] <felicitas> hallo
[01:48] <Fackamato> use 65536 bit encryption instead, with passwords length of 5000 characters, including !"##&?= and numbers and different lower/UPPER case
[01:48] <roo> ^ lol
[01:49] <Yomic> :D
[01:49] <felicitas> is there a unbuntuchannel in german?
[01:49] <l3wwy> shizenhizen?
[01:49] <Fackamato> no, you have to learn english and speak it
[01:49] <mjr> acidspoon, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:49] <gratuit> #ubuntu-de?
[01:49] <andrewski> felicitas: yes ^^
[01:49] <roo> felicitas, welkommen
[01:49] <felicitas> i can speak english
[01:49] <acidspoon> yes felicitas: #ubuntu-de
[01:49] <roo> :p
[01:49] <l3wwy> konochiwa
[01:49] <Yomic> konnichi wa ;)
[01:49] <felicitas> but i dont like to realy
[01:50] <felicitas> its difficult
[01:50] <l3wwy> lets teach him!
[01:50] <l3wwy> hello felicitas
[01:50] <eruin> anyone know how to play wmvs with totem (not totem-xine) ?
[01:50] <l3wwy> my name is "lewwy"
[01:50] <felicitas> especially if i have questions to untu
[01:50] <felicitas> i would like to install it
[01:51] <felicitas> but i dont know much about it
[01:51] <mjr> eruin, no go if there's no free codec for the stuff; AFAIK, there is no gstreamer plugin for proprietary windows codecs
[01:51] <earthen> I just installed the GStreamer-player via apt-get but now i can't find it to use it, can some one tell me hoe to get it started
[01:51] <felicitas> at the moment ihave kanotix
[01:51] <eruin> mjr: curses
[01:52] <l3wwy> earthen: try going to the terminal and typing gstreamer and keep hitting tab
[01:52] <felicitas> so does any of you speak german?
[01:52] <Fackamato> no
[01:52] <felicitas> shit
[01:52] <earthen> it doesn't do anything
[01:53] <l3wwy> what about GStream *tab*
[01:53] <earthen> all i get is gstreamer-properties
[01:54] <roo> earthen, in synaptic find gstreamer-player and right click > properties > installed files tab
[01:54] <mjr> I think it might be gst-player
[01:54] <roo> earthen, should see something in /usr/bin
[01:54] <roo> earthen, that'll be ur player
[01:55] <mjr> but really, gst-player isn't much of one; if you want to play stuff with gstreamer, totem-gstreamer is a better choice
[01:55] <roo> ^ earthen, what he said
[01:55] <eruin> rhythmbox
[01:55] <earthen> well my problem is actully  that i'm trying to get MP3 playback to work
[01:55] <eruin> oh
[01:56] <earthen> but everything i try doesn't seem to work
[01:56] <eruin> earthen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:56] <eruin> see the mp3 section
[01:57] <eruin> (ie read point 1, 2 and 6
[01:57] <earthen> I've read that a few time and did what it says but still no go
[01:57] <earthen> every time i try and play a MP3 it crashes
[01:57] <eruin> earthen: put your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin.com
[01:58] <eruin> oh, what kind of crash?
[01:58] <eruin> anny error msg?
[01:58] <earthen> program just crashes out  like mplayer , music player what ever i try to use
[01:58] <earthen> no error message
[01:59] <jaslor_MHz> earthen I was having loads of problem on hoary with streaming mp3 ( on warty no probs ) but the eventually the gnome music player works fine 4 me ( Applications Menu --> Sound and Video)
[01:59] <Zugot> acpi is kicking my butt
[01:59] <eruin> hmm
[02:00] <eruin> I've _just_ installed hoary from the 28th march cdimage
[02:00] <earthen> I'm useing hoary also
[02:00] <earthen> but nothing works
[02:00] <jaslor_MHz> I can't get sound out of any movie with any player - totem vlc etc all quiet ? any ideas ??
[02:00] <eruin> all I did was install gstreamer0.8-mad and everything works great :o
[02:00] <earthen> could you give me the steps you took to get it to work
[02:00] <eruin> I made sure universe and multiverse were enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list, then ran apt-get update, then apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:01] <earthen> mmm i installed gstreamer0.8-mad also is there any other thinhg i need to do after i instal it
[02:01] <eruin> that's all I've done after the install finished, and I'm playing my sweet mp3s through rhythmbox
[02:02] <earthen> I've installed rhythmbox also and now i can't find that eather
[02:02] <earthen> lol
[02:02] <eruin> rhythmbox is supposed to be installed automatically :/
[02:03] <eruin> eruin@lorien:~/cedega $ dpkg -i cedega_4.3-1_i386.deb
[02:03] <earthen> if i try and start rhythmbom music player starts instade
[02:03] <eruin> :D
[02:03] <eruin> "music player" ?
[02:03] <earthen> yeah
[02:03] <eruin> that's rhythmbox' name in the gnome menu atleast
[02:03] <black_Nightmare> back now
[02:04] <jaslor_MHz> how to install audio codecs with apt ??
[02:04] <eruin> earthen: what if you run gstreamer-properties ?
[02:04] <earthen> ok so rhythmbox  is Music Player is that it
[02:05] <stu> hi need help with mounting a windows partition: I mounted using mount -rw /dev/hdd1 /media/data and can read the file system, but cannot write to it - even as root. If I try chmod I get chmod: changing permissions of filename: Read-only file system
[02:05] <earthen> I get the box come up "Mulitymedia systems selector"
[02:05] <SiRrUs> good evening
[02:05] <eruin> earthen: what is it set to?
[02:05] <folta> i'm trying to configure /etc/network/interfaces for a wireless card, anyone available to help?
[02:05] <eruin> press the first test button
[02:05] <stu> infact, I can only browse the file system as root, cant browse it with another user
[02:05] <earthen> output = ESD output = OSS
[02:05] <earthen> input =oss sorry
[02:06] <eruin> does the test button work?
[02:06] <jaslor_MHz> anyone know of the package name for audio codecs ??
[02:06] <stoneguy3> stu - that's the problem I've been talking about in the forums
[02:06] <stu> which forums?
[02:06] <stu> if you have an answer   - give me the URL please
[02:06] <stoneguy3> the ubuntu forums
[02:07] <eruin> stu: /dev/sda2       /media/data     vfat    users,umask=000                 0      0
[02:07] <eruin> there you go
[02:07] <earthen> mmmm no they don't
[02:07] <eruin> put that in your /etc/fstab stu
[02:07] <eruin> earthen: what about OSS?
[02:07] <eruin> earthen: I just realized esd doesnt work for me either
[02:07] <stu> sda2 is a different partition on a different drive
[02:07] <earthen> guess it my sound card that is not working then ups!
[02:07] <eruin> stu: replace it with what you use of bloody course :P
[02:07] <stu> lol k
[02:07] <geneo93> eruin:  you also need a mount point
[02:08] <eruin> yeh, sudo mkdir /media/data
[02:08] <stu> done that bit
[02:08] <eruin> I'm pretty sure he knows that
[02:08] <eruin> yeah ;9
[02:08] <earthen> nothing works
[02:08] <eruin> earthen: I'm at loss
[02:08] <eruin> sorry :/
[02:08] <geneo93> then mount -a
[02:08] <osity> dohow do i chmod so that everyone can access a file?
[02:09] <eruin> osity: 644
[02:09] <eruin> readwrite/read/read
[02:09] <earthen> eruin maybe my sound card is't working
[02:09] <earthen> i though it was because the volume slider was working
[02:10] <stu> eruin, mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,
[02:10] <osity> so i type:  chmod 644 filename
[02:10] <osity> ?
[02:10] <eruin> osity: yes
[02:10] <Servo888> Ok is there some sort of bug with apt-get xine-ui? I get   xine-ui: Depends: libxine1 (>= 1-rc3a) but it is not going to be installed | When I try to apt-get libxine1 it needs libmodplug0, so I apt-get libmodplug0, but it needs libxine1... wtf
[02:10] <earthen> I'm gonna reboot and make sure the onboard sound is disabled
[02:10] <osity> and for just the owner?
[02:10] <stu> this may well be NTFS thinking abou tit
[02:11] <stu> gonna change fstab to ntfs
[02:11] <felipe_> Got the CDs today!!
[02:11] <eruin> stu: I thinkt he same should work for that - don't hold me to that though ;) - never used ntfs
[02:11] <stu> ah that mounted
[02:11] <eruin> osity: that chmod will give owner read/write, group read, others read
[02:11] <felipe_> But the liveCD didnt get internet connection
[02:12] <felipe_> Besides it was hard to make it boot right
[02:12] <eruin> osity: also check that the folder it's in is readable
[02:12] <osity> thanks
[02:12] <stu> eruin, sweet got it sorted thanks - will it automount now that its in fstab?
[02:12] <eruin> stu: yeah ;)
[02:12] <stu> ok, now what about mounting an ISO image?
[02:12] <stu> is there a gnome utility ?
[02:12] <felipe_> On knoppix I would go fb1024x768 and thats all...What is the ubuntu's equivalent?
[02:13] <eruin> stu: not that I know of, but you could do this
[02:13] <eruin> mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /mountpoint
[02:13] <eruin> methinks
[02:14] <stu> whats -0 loop mean ?
[02:14] <eruin> output to the loopback device
[02:14] <eruin> don't ask me for more :P
[02:14] <crimsun> -o == option
[02:14] <eruin> that's just what I'm told ;)
[02:16] <felipe_> Could anyone help me w/ the LiveCD?
[02:16] <osity> ok ....how do i create an admin account?
[02:17] <geneo93> mount -o loop -t iso9660 debian-sid.iso /media/isoimage/
[02:17] <folta> woohoo! i configured the wireless card!
[02:17] <folta> the graphical interface is a real help
[02:17] <osity> can i be done in the GUI?  ( administrator account?)
[02:17] <folta> now i can get this computer up the stairs:)
[02:17] <eruin> osity: root you mean.. been disabled in ubuntu
[02:18] <eruin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:18] <eruin> more there
[02:18] <osity> erin ...ya that's what i mean...i want it...
[02:18] <stu> wow mounting that ISO killed my machine's performance
[02:18] <eruin> stu: pentium90? :P
[02:18] <folta> maybe login as root and hit startx?
[02:18] <osity> eruin
[02:18] <stu> athlon 2000
[02:18] <osity> ; can it be done in the GUI?
[02:18] <stu> 4.3GB iso
[02:18] <eruin> osity: no, not that I know of
[02:19] <osity> eruin: thank-you
[02:19] <geneo93> osity:  sudo passwd root
[02:19] <eruin> osity: if you run "sudo passwd", you can set the password for it
[02:19] <eruin> meh
[02:19] <eruin> what geneo93 said
[02:19] <eruin> ;>
[02:19] <stu> you could add a user to the root group I think
[02:19] <eruin> nah
[02:19] <stu> not advised if that is possible
[02:19] <eruin> what's checked for in root-operations is the uid of 0 methinks
[02:20] <stu> what about adding the user to the sudoers list then using sudo for the stuff he needs to do
[02:20] <eruin> that _should_ be done by default
[02:20] <geneo93> yeah its not good to login to root with gfx ebviroment
[02:21] <stu> hmm my, what would be in windows taskbar has crashed
[02:21] <JDahl> The latest version of Evolution in Hoary seems to create 'New message' windows that are much to high to fit inside the X window. Did others observe this also?
[02:21] <eruin> lemme check
[02:22] <stu> oh ffs
[02:22] <stu> now the top thing has crashed to
[02:22] <eruin> nah, they open quite small here on a fresh hoary install with all updates
[02:22] <JDahl> eruin, odd... my install is a week old, and I just updated
[02:23] <andril> hello all
[02:23] <geneo93> JDahl:  mines fine
[02:23] <eruin> JDahl: I installed half an hour ago and just dist-upgraded ;)
[02:23] <earthen> Eruin I rebooted (my builtin sound card was enabled my mistake) I removed it i now have sound in ubuntu but can still not play any music
[02:23] <andril> any good audio players for ubuntu?
[02:24] <stu> rythmbox
[02:24] <mjr> I like rhythmbox just fine
[02:24] <stu> er rhythmbox
[02:24] <eruin> rhythmbox and muine are both great
[02:24] <geneo93> i prefer xmms
[02:24] <eruin> earthen: I'm not really too good at solving sound issues
[02:24] <stu> bleh xmms
[02:24] <eruin> gstreamer makes my head spin
[02:24] <eruin> :/
[02:24] <andril> what's the preferred format?
[02:24] <eruin> flac
[02:24] <osity> eruin: I can set the password for what by typing sudo root
[02:24] <eruin> :D
[02:24] <osity> ?
[02:24] <stu> earthen, what sound card?
[02:24] <eruin> "sudo passwd root", osity
[02:25] <eruin> you'll then be prompted to set the root password
[02:25] <osity> so do i still need to go through that page?
[02:25] <stu> actually ignore that I only know how to get nvidia sound working
[02:25] <eruin> not really, probably a good read though
[02:25] <stu> "webmin"
[02:25] <nmsa> gday
[02:25] <earthen> thanks for you time anyway eruin
[02:26] <stu> hey you know the thing at the top where the menus are and the thing at the bottom where the application which are running are - what are they called, I wanna kill em and restart em if possible
[02:26] <eruin> oh yay, nvidia's site is broken :o
[02:26] <osity> eruin: so what will my root username be?   root?
[02:26] <eruin> osity: yes
[02:26] <osity> :)
[02:26] <eruin> basically your user is currently an administrator anyway though
[02:26] <nmsa> I have a problem with my upgrade, it's stuck @ pcmacia package upgrade
[02:27] <nmsa> Setting up dselect (1.10.27ubuntu1) ...
[02:27] <nmsa> (Reading database ... 64201 files and directories currently installed.)
[02:27] <nmsa> Preparing to replace pcmcia-cs 3.2.5-8ubuntu5 (using .../pcmcia-cs_3.2.5-8ubuntu6_i386.deb) ...
[02:27] <eruin> you can do pretty much everything you can do as root through the sudo command
[02:27] <nmsa> can someone help please
[02:27] <stu> eruin, what did you need from the nvidia page?
[02:27] <stu> er site
[02:27] <eruin> stu: the nvidia drivers ;)
[02:28] <eruin> downloading now
[02:28] <stu> ah ok, was gonna dcc
[02:28] <eruin> its just that they had a big flash crapper above the drivers link
[02:28] <eruin> :P
[02:28] <eruin> ontop of*
[02:28] <stu> can I send a command from one shell (or whatever its called ctrl+alt+f1,f2 etc_ to another? I closed gnome-panel and I need to restart it
[02:29] <stu> but cant access any menu's - cos they aint there
[02:29] <Servo888> what the hell... mplayer-386 depends on several libraries, the doesn't apt-get install them?...
[02:29] <stu> have you modified your sources.list ?
[02:30] <Burgundavia> eruin: the nvidia drivers are in the repos
[02:30] <l3wwy> hooray...30 mins till i have wine... :rolleyes:
[02:30] <eruin> Burgundavia: not the version I like to use
[02:30] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:30] <Dalk-Away> stu, as far as I'm aware you cant send a command from one TTY to another
[02:30] <stu> any idea on getting a shell up in this X window?
[02:31] <Dalk-Away> What's happened?
[02:31] <stu> other than ctrl-atl-bkspace
[02:31] <stu> rhythmx box crashed and took gnome-panel with it
[02:31] <nmsa> stu: to send commands you have to used something like console, (I may be wrong) ...
[02:31] <stu> so I dont have any menu's etc
[02:31] <stu> so I cant start a shell, to restart gnome-panel
[02:31] <Dalk-Away> swtich to another TTY?
[02:31] <stu> yeah - but only one tty can have X running?
[02:32] <Dalk-Away> yeah
[02:32] <Dalk-Away> only one
[02:32] <stu> and its this TTY that has died
[02:32] <stu> bah, Im gonna ctrl-alt-bkspace brb
[02:32] <Dalk-Away> er
[02:32] <black_Nightmare> ok one tricky question for you people...
[02:32] <roo_> l3wwy, works now :)
[02:33] <roo_> l3wwy, i was being an ass.
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> recoken a dreamcast memory card reader could be made and ubuntu could read it? (read-only)
[02:33] <roo_> l3wwy, network still working?
[02:33] <reggansa> stu: you can create a .xinitrc file in your homedir and exec xterm &
[02:33] <Dalk-Away> black_Nightmare, hell, try it! Tell us how it goes :))
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> dalk..where do I start?
[02:33] <black_Nightmare> :p
[02:33] <roo_> black_Nightmare, does _linux_ support dreamcast memory card readers?
[02:33] <Dalk-Away> Nooo idea :P
[02:33] <Dalk-Away> www.tldp.org ?
[02:34] <Dalk-Away> maybe that will give you a howto that could get you started
[02:34] <Dalk-Away> try looking around on google, too.
[02:34] <black_Nightmare> roo...I think something could be figured out with the parallel port (one or several lines to read from the card?)
[02:34] <Dalk-Away> How did this chan get so unorginised? Who's ment to be op?
[02:34] <notcovrd> new ubuntu user, my updates show error because another management applic. system running, in simple terms what does this mean? an how do i correct it?
[02:35] <l3wwy> hey guys
[02:35] <roo_> hi l3wwy
[02:35] <l3wwy> whats the package name for the codec upadtes?
[02:35] <Dalk-Away> notcovrd, you can't have apt-get running twice... or at the same time as the synaptic package manager
[02:35] <roo_> notcovrd, are u already running synaptic?
[02:35] <notcovrd> yes
[02:35] <l3wwy> for totem
[02:35] <l3wwy> i want to play MPG on totem
[02:35] <l3wwy> and mp3;s
[02:35] <Dalk-Away> notcovrd, just have it open once
[02:36] <Dalk-Away> when you use synaptic it locks the repositories to be safe.. meaning you can only update one thing at a time
[02:36] <odysseus1> my mplayerplug-in v2.66 freezes after 99% of download, what can i do ?
[02:36] <l3wwy> defrost it?
[02:36] <l3wwy> LOL
[02:36] <Dalk-Away> l3wwy, http://www.ubuntuguide.org read that, it tells you how to setup non-free things like mp3
[02:37] <roo_> odysseus1, watch porn using something else? :p
[02:37] <l3wwy> ok
[02:37] <l3wwy> thanks
[02:37] <Servo888> damn it, apt-get is still complaing about unment depends.
[02:37] <moominski> hello every1
[02:37] <Dalk-Away> odysseus1, how many times have you tried it?
[02:37] <Servo888> complaining*
[02:37] <odysseus1> i want to see this one: http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/duma.html
[02:37] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, download the dependancies then?
[02:37] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, what do you mean?
[02:37] <odysseus1> Dalk-Away: 100 times..
[02:37] <Dalk-Away> You say apt-get complains about missing files?
[02:38] <l3wwy> hang on, when hoary final comes out, will i just be able to update the distro and it'll become final?
[02:38] <roo_> odysseus1, what browser? firefox?
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> odysseus1, try searching google for a .deb package instead then, and use dpkg -i to isntall that
[02:38] <odysseus1> yes, firefox 1.0.1
[02:38] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, not missing files, just unmet dependencies.
[02:38] <Pizbit> l3wwy: yes
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> l3wwy, I assume so
[02:38] <l3wwy> cool beans
[02:38] <l3wwy> any idea on the size?
[02:38] <l3wwy> 100mb?
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, yes, so download those dependencies using apt-get
[02:38] <Dalk-Away> or synamptic package manager
[02:38] <Servo888> apt-get -d ?
[02:39] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, what dependencies do you need?
[02:39] <kbrooks> -d = dl
[02:39] <Dalk-Away> you dont want -d
[02:39] <moominski> should i restart after upadting to hoary
[02:39] <moominski> ??
[02:39] <kbrooks>   -d  Download only - do NOT install or unpack archives
[02:39] <Pizbit> moominski: If you want
[02:39] <apokryphos> moominski: yes. Kernel reboot
[02:39] <Dalk-Away> moominski, you never really need ot restart, but it might be easier to, yes.
[02:40] <kbrooks> Servo888, -d means dl
[02:40] <kbrooks> only.
[02:40] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, http://www.pastebin.com/264095 <= those are all the needed depends
[02:40] <moominski> if its good for my system them wy not
[02:40] <hoolagaw> hi, quick question, should I donwload version 4 or 5 ubuntu
[02:40] <Dalk-Away> Servo888, I'll walk you through the first, then try the rest yourself okay?
[02:40] <kbrooks> hoolagaw, 4
[02:40] <Servo888> Dalk-Away, sure
[02:40] <hoolagaw> thanks son
[02:40] <Dalk-Away> I'll msg you
[02:40] <hoolagaw> peace out
[02:40] <apokryphos> hoolagaw: Hoary :P. More apps; stable coming out real soon.
[02:40] <Servo888> ok
[02:41] <kbrooks> apokryphos, no
[02:41] <kbrooks> apokryphos, its UNSTABLE
[02:41] <hoolagaw> but how unstable?
[02:41] <apokryphos> kbrooks: yes.
[02:41] <hoolagaw> is is broken badly?
[02:41] <apokryphos> not at all
[02:41] <moominski> how do i send a message with highlighted text
[02:41] <apokryphos> hoolagaw: the majority of the community is using it.
[02:41] <hoolagaw> so then it should be fine huh
[02:41] <hoolagaw> ok cool
[02:41] <apokryphos> moominski: you start with the persons name :)
[02:41] <Limbo> hello
[02:41] <kbrooks> hoolagaw, please. use 4
[02:41] <moominski> thats all?
[02:41] <osity> eruin: thanks man ....it finally workin the way i like it
[02:41] <apokryphos> kbrooks: it has MORE APPS.
[02:41] <moppit> hey all. does Warty come w/default gcc or that need to be installed?
[02:42] <hoolagaw> kbrooks: how come
[02:42] <kbrooks> apokryphos, doesnt mean its stable
[02:42] <apokryphos> kbrooks: did I ever say it was? :)
[02:42] <roo_> l3wwy, say my name please..
[02:42] <moominski> apokryphos like so?
[02:42] <apokryphos> moominski: that's it :)
[02:42] <roo_> l3wwy, dont forget the '_' :p
[02:42] <kbrooks> apokryphos, argue all you want, i will not change my mind till it is released
[02:42] <moominski> ok thanks
[02:42] <roo_> a girl!
[02:42] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Rofl, hoary is hardly unstable:)
[02:43] <Liz> :P at roo
[02:43] <kbrooks> Pizbit, argue all you want, i will not change my mind till it is released
[02:43] <kbrooks> canned reply
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> "DC VMS Memory card Link cable" and it seem to be usb
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> so I guess ubuntu and linux-usb and memory drivers = try figure about reading a dreamcast card?
[02:43] <gratuit> how much more stable can it gonna get in a week?
[02:43] <hoolagaw> why is linux sysv, I hate sysv
[02:43] <PecK> hey again
[02:43] <apokryphos> kbrooks: Oh, I'm not trying to convert you... someone asked which one, I say Hoary (easily). Why? Well, because it's pretty darn stable (the official stable tag means something, but, well, "unstable" is too broad), and the apps in warty are generally seriously dated.
[02:43] <black_Nightmare> its only $1usd it seem lol
[02:43] <geneo93> moppit:  sudo apt-get install build-essens...
[02:43] <PecK> still can
[02:44] <PecK> still can't read m4a files
[02:44] <kbrooks> apokryphos, like xchat........for example
[02:44] <apokryphos> kbrooks: I don't use it, but what about xchat?
[02:44] <roo_> roo_,
[02:44] <eruin> phew
[02:44] <kbrooks> apokryphos, its TOO OLD IN WARTY
[02:44] <eruin> finally selected all my build libraries
[02:44] <eruin> :o
[02:44] <kbrooks> apokryphos, 2.0.8
[02:44] <Dalk-Away> apokryphos, why dont you just update xchat manually then....?
[02:44] <Limbo> I would like to know if Ubuntulinux has support for SATA-Raid-0
[02:44] <apokryphos> kbrooks: precisely :)
[02:44] <Pizbit> kbrooks: Lay off the capital letters.
[02:45] <apokryphos> Dalk-Away: erm, what? I'm not complaining about it. :)
[02:45] <Liz> im did a dist-upgrade yesterday
[02:45] <Dalk-Away> Heh, my bad
[02:45] <kbrooks> :P
[02:45] <eruin> "I am did" ?
[02:45] <Liz> i did
[02:45] <Liz> typo
[02:45] <Dalk-Away> Were there ever ops in this chan?
[02:45] <kbrooks> Dalk-Away, there are. why
[02:45] <Dalkus> I don't see any :P
[02:46] <apokryphos> Dalk-Away: there's quite a few, but they haven't given themselves the privs at the mo.
[02:46] <gratuit> Dalk-Away: there are people who can become ops on demand
[02:46] <Dalkus> Just seems a little unorginised
[02:46] <Pizbit> Dalkus: They tend to be extremely lenient
[02:46] <eruin> having op in this chan is the same as having a big sign on you that says "ASK ME FIRST!"
[02:46] <Dalkus> It's good they dont need to use their powers
[02:46] <apokryphos> hehe
[02:46] <kbrooks> lol
[02:46] <kbrooks> eruin, no
[02:46] <Dalkus> This chan is definatly a very nice linux-help one
[02:47] <kbrooks> eruin, having an op in this chan is the same as being the onnly police officer
[02:47] <Dalkus> Wish I had this chan back when I first got into linux...
[02:47] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[02:47] <kbrooks> s/an/one/
[02:47] <eruin> kbrooks: haha
[02:47] <Arnia> mm... I wish I could figure this fglrx problem out :p
[02:47] <Pizbit> kbrooks: They get laid heaps?:)
[02:48] <kbrooks> being the only police offer is worse than having 2 or even more of them
[02:48] <Arnia> When I don't enable the composite extension then the res is always bigger than my actual screen and so I can pan it.
[02:48] <andril> is there a MP3 to OGG converter?
[02:48] <Arnia> XV just doesn't work with or without composite
[02:48] <roo_> andril, try lame
[02:48] <Pizbit> andril: Undoubtedly
[02:48] <kbrooks> whats the  program to .........
[02:48] <kbrooks> change the screen res
[02:48] <Arnia> Damage doesn't exist according to xcompmgr
[02:49] <Arnia> I'm confusled
[02:49] <Pizbit> roo_: Lame encodes to mp3, not ogg
[02:49] <kbrooks> oh
[02:49] <kbrooks> xrandr
[02:49] <eruin> oggenc -> .ogg
[02:49] <eruin> andril: not a good idea though, since they're both lossy formats
[02:49] <geneo93> bad idea mp3 to ogg
[02:49] <l3wwy> holy dooly
[02:49] <andril> so what's a good format?
[02:49] <roo_> Pizbit, oops :o
[02:49] <kbrooks> oh
[02:49] <l3wwy> one of the repositries infos is 2 meg!
[02:49] <eruin> ogg is a good format
[02:49] <eruin> so is mp3
[02:49] <andril> for Ubyntu of course
[02:50] <kbrooks> xrandr -s 1 gets me a HUGE screen
[02:50] <eruin> the point is that you'll lose data when converting from mp3 to ogg
[02:50] <eruin> and the other way around for that matter
[02:50] <Pizbit> andril: Both are good, just ogg is better. However going mp3 -> ogg lsoes more quality
[02:50] <roo_> converting from m3 -> ogg will lead to even worse quality
[02:50] <kbrooks> not exactly what i had in mind
[02:50] <geneo93> flac
[02:50] <Pizbit> andril: This tells you how to get mp3 playback in Ubuntu http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:50] <andril> I just want to play my MP3's -
[02:50] <kbrooks> heh
[02:50] <Pizbit> er, isoes -> loses :)
[02:50] <Pizbit> andril: Read that link
[02:50] <Dalkus> andril, also ubuntuguide.org
[02:51] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Woa, that's terribly! Totally horrid
[02:51] <osity> when i try to restart the samba daemons....they stop but fail when trying to restart
[02:51] <Dalkus> What?
[02:52] <Dalkus> How....?
[02:52] <Pizbit> Dalkus: That page, whoever created it should be shot
[02:52] <Dalkus> Why?
[02:52] <Limbo> So noone runs Raid-0 sata on ubuntu?
[02:52] <andril> thanks guys/gals
[02:52] <Dalkus> It's fantastic, explains many things that newbies need to know very well
[02:52] <Pizbit> 1) it's all on one page 2) Why do 10 apt-get commands instead of one?
[02:52] <Pizbit> It doesn't even understand you can install two packages at once >.<
[02:53] <Dalkus> 1) I personally prefer it all on one page - easier navigation.  2) Perhaps it was easier to describe that way , perhaps it gives people more confidence with apt-get
[02:53] <dabeej> when i insert a dvd, totem loads up and locks up
[02:53] <eruin> muahhah
[02:53] <dabeej> is this a known problem?
[02:53] <eruin> building rhythmbox 0.9
[02:53] <eruin> cd burning sweetness here I come
[02:53] <Dalkus> dabeej, you enabled dvd playback support?
[02:53] <Pizbit> dabeej: Use xine:)
[02:53] <roo_> ubuntuguide.org is fine, if it gets people reading and trying stuff themselves then all the better, right?
[02:53] <dabeej> Dalkus, how?
[02:53] <Dalkus> roo_, definatly
[02:53] <Pizbit> roo_: It's layout and instructions are seriously lacking imho.
[02:54] <osity> anyone know why restarting samba it would fail on restart
[02:54] <PecK> is it even possible to read m4a files encoded with iTunes without iTunes?
[02:54] <Dalkus> dabeej, check out ubuntuguide.org :P I've pasted this link three times in a minute...
[02:54] <dabeej> Dalkus, fresh install
[02:54] <kbrooks> chmod 000'ing a file?
[02:54] <kbrooks> wtf?
[02:54] <Dalkus> dabeej, whaat?
[02:54] <kbrooks> why would you
[02:54] <dabeej> nm
[02:54] <Pizbit> roo_: These commands could all be made into one http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrafonts
[02:54] <roo_> osity, people might be able to do more if you have specific error messages perhaps?
[02:54] <roo_> Pizbit, readability?
[02:54] <Dalkus> Pizbit, yes but try explaining a 10-in-1 command to a newbie who is intimidated by apt-get?
[02:55] <Limbo> just great
[02:55] <roo_> Pizbit, also, people are unlikely to have _all_ those installed at once.
[02:55] <Pizbit> roo_: Would still be retained
[02:55] <osity> i tell it to restart the samba service and it stops fine...then fails on restart
[02:55] <roo_> Pizbit, u'd install only 1 or 2 of those packages, putting them in one apt-get install command *could* be misleading..
[02:55] <Pizbit> roo_: The guide is blindly saying "run all these commands" so why not just make it one anyway?
[02:55] <osity> i tried to check logs but they all seemed empty'
[02:55] <Dalkus> Pizbit, i just suggested why.
[02:56] <Pizbit> roo_: Or say "You can install like this: " and then  mention other packages
[02:56] <MidnightDevil> how do i put back the borders on the windows under kde? lol
[02:56] <dabeej> Dalkus, it's already installed
[02:56] <dabeej> libdvdread3
[02:56] <Pizbit> Dalkus: It's very easy, you just say "Putting them all like this means you don't have to do seperate commands" or words to that effect
[02:56] <Dalkus> dabeej, try using xine - it's generally alot better for DVD playback :)
[02:56] <dabeej> the drive is showing activity but it isn't doing anything
[02:56] <roo_> Pizbit, mail the author? im sure he'd welcome ur suggestions :)
[02:56] <Dalkus> Pizbit, yes but thats extra uncecesary information for someone who might be scared to use apt-get
[02:56] <dabeej> Dalkus, bug report maybe?
[02:57] <Dalkus> dabeej, chances are it's not a bug... but a missing dependency somewhere or something
[02:57] <Dreamer3> anyone know the faster program to open a image, rotate, and size (with the option of quality for JPG), not gimp?
[02:57] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Then you don't tell them, simple.
[02:57] <Dreamer3> *fastest
[02:57] <Pizbit> They'll just go along with it.
[02:57] <Dreamer3> eye of gnome would be great, but i don't see a quality setting
[02:57] <Pizbit> "To install all the fonts at once, run: "
[02:57] <Dalkus> Pizbit, then people dont like your guide because its cryptic to beginners - and its aimed at begginers
[02:57] <Burgundavia> Dreamer3: gthumb?
[02:57] <Dalkus> Or maybe people want the choice to download only some of the fonts
[02:57] <Pizbit> Dreamer3: imagemagick (convert)
[02:58] <Dreamer3> Pizbit: *laughs*
[02:58] <stuNNed> for building custom DSDT i have a .hex file is there any way to get a .dml file out of it?
[02:58] <kbrooks> backports suck.....or do they?
[02:58] <osity> there is way more support in this chan than in debian!
[02:58] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Then you mention how to use apt and then list the different font packages availible
[02:58] <stuNNed> also have a .dsl file
[02:58] <Dalkus> Pizbit, Well, why don't you write your own howto? Seriously, the more the better
[02:58] <kbrooks> backports suck.....or do they?
[02:59] <Dalkus> you could aim yours at a differnt audiencce
[02:59] <Dreamer3> guess the gimp it is
[02:59] <Pizbit> Dalkus: *shrug* Why duplicate the work? It's most likely already on the wiki and on this page
[02:59] <Dalkus> kbrooks, depends on your view i guess
[02:59] <eruin> who cares, as long as we know dashboard rocks http://www.nat.org/dashboard/rewrite.png
[02:59] <kbrooks> ....
[02:59] <kbrooks> mike998, hey.
[02:59] <roo_> Pizbit, its not just about duplicating if you think you can improve the work.
[03:00] <roo_> eruin, agreed
[03:00] <Pizbit> roo_: The improvement is not worth the work, but I reckon it should be considered.
[03:00] <roo_> Pizbit, agreed, so email the author :p
[03:00] <Dalkus> Or do it yerself :P
[03:01] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Sure, give me access to the site:P
[03:01] <Dalkus> I ment write yer own :P
[03:01] <kbrooks> wtf is dash
[03:01] <Dalkus> kbrooks, ?
[03:02] <kbrooks>  ? Bash is the default /bin/sh on a Debian system.  However, since our policy requires all shell scripts using /bin/sh    ?
[03:02] <kbrooks>  ? to be POSIX compliant, any shell that conforms to POSIX can serve as /bin/sh.  Since dash is POSIX compliant, it can   ?
[03:02] <kbrooks>  ? be used as /bin/sh.  You may wish to do this because dash is faster and smaller than bash.                             ?
[03:02] <Pizbit> Dalkus: Kinda keep quiet until you're willing to read everything I say, cheers.
[03:02] <roo_> kbrooks, http://www.nat.org/dashboard/
[03:02] <kbrooks> ^^^^^
[03:02] <kbrooks> "our policy"?
[03:02] <Dalkus> Pizbit, sorry half asleep here.
[03:02] <kbrooks> who's policy?
[03:02] <kbrooks> and how can a shell script be POSIX compliant!!
[03:03] <kbrooks> should I install it as /bin/sh
[03:03] <kbrooks> ?
[03:04] <zapada> UBUNTU BABY!
[03:04] <eruin> good lad
[03:05] <Mika-chan> Hello all. I a currently a Gentoo newbie and am considering a switch to Ubuntu. With Gentoo's install, you get a very basic system and add what you want. Is Ubuntu the same way, or do you get editors, games, development tools, etc with a new install?
[03:05] <sig> I'm putting together a Linux HowTo site so if you guys no of any good howto's let me know and I will write one up
[03:05] <sig> http://harrisplace.net/?page_id=13
[03:05] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: The default install of ubuntu gives you a complete gnome desktop
[03:05] <roo_> Mika-chan, you get more things installed in a normal install, like a gnome desktop
[03:06] <tvelocity> Mika-chan, by default you get a gnome desktop with openoffice and firefox etc
[03:06] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Also no development tools in the default install(no gcc etc)
[03:06] <tvelocity> but it is possible to install only the basics, someway
[03:06] <roo_> Mika-chan, installing/uninstalling in Ubuntu using Synaptic (a package manager, like portage) is very, very easy.
[03:07] <calc> sig: http://www.tldp.org/
[03:07] <kbrooks> sig: :)
[03:07] <osity> anyone....samba server fails when restarting it...any ideas anyone?
[03:07] <Mika-chan> Pizbit: Yikes, sounds like my little 4 GB hard drive on the laptop would be at capacity after the install.
[03:07] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Heh, nah it'll handle it
[03:08] <sig> they are lacking my knowledge on tldp.org :)
[03:08] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Unlike other desktop distributions Ubuntu doesn't include multiple programs that do the same thing
[03:08] <kbrooks> sig: you do know you can install
[03:08] <kbrooks> 3 packages at the same time
[03:08] <tvelocity> you won't need much more than 1GB
[03:08] <kbrooks> fuck
[03:08] <roo_> Mika-chan, nope, the install is ~1gb i think
[03:08] <Mika-chan> Pizbit: It's a P233 laptop, it chugs when I run Firefox under XFCE4.
[03:09] <Pizbit> Mika-chan: Hehe, might not be what you're after imho
[03:09] <roo_> Mika-chan, i have development stuff (gcc, make, binutils, vim, emacs etc) and a full desktop with many apps (inkscape, firefox, thunderbird, evolution) for under 2Gb
[03:09] <calc> Mika-chan: i have more than just the normal ubuntu install on my box and its still only taking 1.5-1.8gb
[03:09] <roo_> Mika-chan, you're running Gentoo on a P233 :O
[03:09] <MidnightDevil> a small hint someone ?
[03:09] <MidnightDevil> how do i put back the borders on the windows under kde? lol
[03:09] <calc> MidnightDevil: sounds like kwin died for you
[03:10] <leobardo> Some one know a page with cool gnome themes?
[03:10] <MidnightDevil> well, there's an option on konqueror that allows to remove windows borders
[03:10] <roo_> leobardo, gnome-look.org?
[03:10] <calc> MidnightDevil: oh ok, not sure how to turn them back on in that case
[03:10] <MidnightDevil> kde-look.org is down atm
[03:10] <MidnightDevil> calc,  do u use kde?
[03:10] <apokryphos> MidnightDevil: alt-F3
[03:10] <Pizbit> leobardo: art.gnome.org
[03:11] <Pizbit> leobardo: and gnome-look.org
[03:11] <tvelocity> leobardo, art.gnome.org
[03:11] <calc> MidnightDevil: i did up until a few months ago
[03:11] <leobardo> tank you very much
[03:11] <MidnightDevil> great, thanx apokryphos
[03:11] <MidnightDevil> :)
[03:11] <MidnightDevil> and calc as well ;)
[03:11] <Mika-chan> roo_: That is why I went the Gentoo route, I though it would give me more bang per CPU cycle. However the compile to update is taking too much time.
[03:11] <apokryphos> np
[03:11] <calc> MidnightDevil: you might try asking in #kubuntu or #debian-kde
[03:12] <calc> ah i see apokryphos told you already :)
[03:12] <roo_> Mika-chan, dont worry about the optimisations for P233. I was using gentoo for ~2 years before last week. I love gentoo and portage, but for your needs Ubuntu sounds like a good idea.
[03:12] <calc> Mika-chan: customized compiles will give very little improvement in nearly all cases
[03:12] <roo_> Mika-chan, a better idea at least then Gentoo.
[03:13] <DoYouUbuntu> hello
[03:13] <calc> the primary benefit i guess could be considered that you can disable things that packages link to, or that your computer keeps you warm ;)
[03:13] <Mika-chan> Thanks for the advice everyone.
[03:13] <osity> anyone know samba in here?
[03:13] <tvelocity> Mika-chan, you could also try out vanilla debian
[03:14] <leobardo> osity: what do you need?
[03:14] <gratuit> osity: just ask your question, if someone knows then they will answer
[03:14] <osity> i have been asking ....for 10 minutes......restarting the service fails.... :(
[03:14] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, use ubuntu!
[03:14] <osity> maybe I should reintall samba>
[03:14] <kbrooks> ubuntu is TEH RULZ
[03:14] <osity> does it have to be unistalled ?
[03:15] <kbrooks> no
[03:15] <zapada> is ubuntu 56k friendly?
[03:15] <sobanet> it is TEH rulez
[03:15] <sobanet> and it's shithot
[03:15] <osity> kbrooks was that no for me?
[03:15] <DoYouUbuntu> Has anyone used PengAOL?  Does it work?
[03:15] <tvelocity> zapada, i would say yes
[03:15] <kbrooks> osity, yeah.
[03:15] <zapada> tvelocity: really?
[03:15] <zapada> I tried to get it to work on my softmodem, but it didnt
[03:15] <osity> thankas
[03:16] <kbrooks> osity, apt-get install --reinstall samba
[03:16] <zapada> so im going to go out and buy a US robotics hardmodem
[03:16] <DoYouUbuntu> I just bought a Hw USR modem today just for Ubuntu
[03:16] <zapada> and it worked fine?
[03:16] <kbrooks> zapada, wtf is a hardmodem
[03:16] <zapada> hardware modem
[03:16] <tvelocity> i've used ubuntu on ISDN before... which is not very different than 56k in practice...
[03:16] <DoYouUbuntu> Yep.  Just follow the link I post and read
[03:16] <kbrooks> .....k
[03:16] <desrt> kbrooks; contrast: softmodem
[03:16] <desrt> (aka winmodem)
[03:16] <zapada> DoYouUbuntu: post
[03:17] <desrt> some modems are really just soundcards that plug into your phone line
[03:17] <Mika-chan> kbrooks: it is the gnome that is scaring me away. This P233 chugs using Firefox or Thunderbird in XFCE4 with no gnome. I can imagine it will grind to a halt in gnome.
[03:17] <desrt> all the work of modulating the signal is actually done by the CPU
[03:17] <DoYouUbuntu> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[03:17] <eruin> is via82cxxx enabled in ubuntu?
[03:17] <zapada> thanks
[03:17] <l3wwy> is there are reason why the repositry thats giving me wine keeps chopping my connection off?
[03:17] <desrt> these 'software modems' tend to not work with linux since they require windows-only drivers
[03:17] <andrewski> Mika-chan: you can get xfce in ubuntu.
[03:17] <zapada> can I get my ubuntu to look like this: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=2041168417403d1381941c9&p=screen&PHPSESSID=e5276d734105f32a0cfdc0484af519bf
[03:18] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, well, you can get xfce. all you need to do is EXIT the base configuration.
[03:18] <Mr-Petah> wenas
[03:18] <eruin> zapada: apt-get install gdesklets
[03:18] <Mr-Petah> hi
[03:18] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, and then apt-cache search xfce | less
[03:18] <zapada> eruin: I have 56k... so I cant download huge things
[03:18] <zapada> isgdesklets big?
[03:19] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, and do not exit it until you reach the package......step
[03:19] <eruin> zapada: 700kb?
[03:19] <Mr-Petah> this channel have spanish talkers? (sorry 4 my english)
[03:19] <contra> can Ubuntu resize FAT32 during installation non-destructively?
[03:19] <leobardo> yo hablo espaol
[03:19] <Mr-Petah> hola
[03:19] <contra> hola
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> #ubuntu.es
[03:19] <desrt> ugh.  not again.
[03:20] <zapada> eruin: ok thanks :)
[03:20] <tvelocity> contra, no. you'll have to do it yourself
[03:20] <Mr-Petah> es que eh entrado en el canal en espaol, pero tan tos muertos
[03:20] <contra> tvelocity: but I don't want to :(
[03:20] <desrt> if you're going to speak non-english in here at least have the curtesy to use utf8
[03:20] <DoYouUbuntu> I hate 56k  :(
[03:20] <osity> hey what tty is the gui on again?
[03:20] <contra> eh entrado?
[03:20] <tvelocity> contra, it should be no problem with knoppix+qtparted, or partition magic on windoze
[03:20] <osity> i've been trying 7 and it's not going
[03:20] <eruin> osity: 7
[03:21] <eruin> osity: try 8
[03:21] <eruin> ;>
[03:21] <osity> I tried,,.,,almost all .... m
[03:21] <kbrooks> Mika-chan, exit base-config with CTRL+C
[03:21] <osity> maybe My hardware is crap.....(mobo)
[03:21] <contra> tvelocity: I might as well install Knoppix ;)
[03:21] <zapada> can you show me your ubuntu desktopz?
[03:21] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/4.jpg
[03:22] <eruin> haven't got that sweet AA right nwo since I reinstalled
[03:22] <apokryphos> zapada: old ones, that I'll update soon-enough-is: www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu
[03:22] <eruin> grumble
[03:22] <osity> i gonna resintall the whole ubuntu ....this is ticking me off
[03:22] <zapada> ok cool
[03:22] <zapada> is ubuntu just as customizable as other distros?
[03:22] <zapada> because I want to make my ubuntu look like those :)
[03:22] <apokryphos> zapada: of course. :)
[03:23] <zapada> nice
[03:23] <GhostFaceKilla> anyone know where to get an openFT nodes files from?
[03:23] <zapada> is it hard?
[03:23] <omniscient> like what?
[03:23] <gratuit> zapada: that depends on what you want to do
[03:23] <osity> what wouls a buffer io error on hda1 mean
[03:23] <apokryphos> zapada: it depends on what you want to do. No real idea what eyecandy tweaking is like on Gnome, but I don't imagine it's *too* different to KDE.
[03:23] <contra> ok, another pregunta. Does Ubuntu set up/detect winmodems by chance? Or has anyone tried setting one up?
[03:24] <kbrooks> what does the C in UTC stand for?
[03:24] <bob2> contra: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto might have stuff about it
[03:24] <zapada> apokryphos: I've never done any tweaking on KDE, so I have no clue :)
[03:24] <kbrooks> universal time ....
[03:24] <zapada> I've only done eye candy tweakign on windows
[03:24] <phobosanger> ppl can i c my cpu usage on the terminlal?
[03:24] <apokryphos> zapada: well, it's very easy. :)
[03:24] <DoYouUbuntu> contra- it detected my winmodem, and even got the name correct.  However, it's didn't know what it "was" technically.
[03:24] <bob2> phobosanger: top
[03:24] <kbrooks> osity, to decipher the error:
[03:24] <apokryphos> zapada: certainly infinitely more easy than on Windoze.
[03:24] <zapada> ok cool
[03:24] <bob2> kbrooks: co-ordinated
[03:24] <phobosanger> thenks bob2
[03:25] <Marble2> ubuntu can format drives to fat32 larger than 32gb right? windows can only format them to 32 gb max
[03:25] <leobardo> Try this link http://www.codeweavers.com/ could be interesting for many people
[03:25] <kbrooks> buffer: a temporary area in memory where data to be written to the disk is stored
[03:25] <apokryphos> kbrooks: Coordinated
[03:25] <kbrooks> i/o: input/output
[03:25] <bob2> kbrooks: please?
[03:25] <zapada> DoYouUbuntu: Right now I have an AOpen modem (win); should I go get a USR and then try?
[03:26] <phxguy> Am I the only one who cannot get to gnome-look.org or kde-look.org???
[03:26] <kbrooks> dude
[03:26] <kbrooks> im trying to help!
[03:26] <zapada> I tried to detect the modem through the automatic Ubuntu installer, but it didn't detect it
[03:26] <apokryphos> phxguy: perhaps ;). Works here.
[03:26] <kbrooks> osity, u there?
[03:26] <phxguy> apokryphos,  sure you're not pulling up a cached page.....
[03:26] <Marble2> anyone?
[03:26] <osity> ya
[03:26] <phxguy> I can ping it ok but it doesn't seem to load in firefox
[03:27] <apokryphos> phxguy: hmm, good point. This actually the first time I've ever seen it down
[03:27] <osity> ...it input output
[03:27] <osity> kbrooks it;s
[03:27] <phxguy> apokryphos, yeah very strange.... I was just there last night
[03:27] <zapada> DoYouUbuntu: I have a connexant chipset with mine.
[03:27] <kbrooks> osity, the error message means that the kernel cannot write the area in memory to the first partition in the first hard drive
[03:27] <tvelocity> zapada, HSF?
[03:28] <zapada> HSF?
[03:28] <zenrox> for a ht type cpu do you install linux-image-smp-686
[03:28] <kbrooks> osity, the 'why' of the error could be any reason
[03:28] <DoYouUbuntu> Zap- that's what I did today.  The modem connects now in UBUNTU and gets a dial tone.  I just need to load PengAOL and see if that works.  USR modems aren't cheap though.
[03:28] <tvelocity> zapada, there are to connexant chipsets: HSF and HCF
[03:28] <DoYouUbuntu> I've heard too many nightmares with winmodems
[03:28] <zapada> oh
[03:28] <phxguy> apokryphos, gnome-art seems worthless since they redid there page
[03:28] <zapada> how do I check?
[03:29] <osity> kbrooks it sais ext3 fs error this time i booted...
[03:29] <tvelocity> i've made a connextant modem to work before (on gentoo)
[03:29] <kbrooks> osity, one POSSIBLE reason is that your hard drive COULD be dying
[03:29] <tvelocity> on what OS are you right now?
[03:29] <apokryphos> phxguy: no idea :P. I can't imagine kde-look staying down for long... usually very reliable.
[03:29] <zapada> windows 2000
[03:30] <tvelocity> maybe the device manager has that info?
[03:30] <osity> kbrooks:  it Brand spanking new....my last one just died.,..
[03:30] <phxguy> apokryphos, I've been trying all day today and can't seem to get anywhere... ut again I can ping 'em fine in a terminal window.... Must be a database problem or something maybe with routing...
[03:30] <Mr-Petah> que cliente para msn messenger me recomendais?
[03:31] <zapada> AOpen FM560SVV Soft PCI Modem
[03:31] <apokryphos> phxguy: perhaps, yeah. Oh well; not much else to do but wait ;)
[03:31] <osity> kbrooks: could it be a bad board?....I have an 800 and the bios thinks it a 774MHZ
[03:31] <osity> no matter how you set it!
[03:31] <bob2> Mr-Petah: #ubuntu-es
[03:31] <apokryphos> phxguy: be careful though: the watched kettle takes longer to boil. :D
[03:31] <phxguy> Hohw can I transfer my ubuntu install to a larger harddrive without having to reinstall everything
[03:31] <Mr-Petah> bob2, en ese canal no hay nadie que responda!
[03:31] <zapada> ok, it's an HSF
[03:31] <phxguy> apokryphos,  aint that the truth
[03:32] <zapada> I saw some HSF drivers
[03:32] <osity> kbrooks: I have set up 1000's of boards....this one one take 800 as the correct answer! :)
[03:32] <tvelocity> zapada, that's a good thing. my modem is an HSF too :)
[03:32] <zapada> yay!
[03:32] <tritium> Mr-Petah, #ubuntu-es
[03:32] <osity> Maybe I'll try reinstalling with a new board.
[03:32] <tvelocity> you need this http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/?PHPSESSID=d57252dd1e6fff2ea44f0a1c628c24ca
[03:32] <zapada> ah, tvelocity: yes, I tried that already
[03:32] <osity> IM starving.....
[03:32] <tvelocity> which is actually a demo, liited to 14k
[03:32] <osity> live long and prosper all!
[03:33] <zapada> and ubuntu told me that it couldn't find the compiler
[03:33] <zapada> something like that
[03:33] <tvelocity> but there is a way to unlock it ;)
[03:33] <zapada> I have screenshots of it
[03:33] <zapada> how?!?!?
[03:33] <zapada> I tried the demo
[03:33] <zapada> which is 14k, but I couldn't get it to work lol
[03:33] <tvelocity> well, let's focus on getting it to work first
[03:33] <gratuit> for some reason, whenever I use a window manager other than gnome (i.e. fluxbox or openbox) it takes a really long time to start my session, anyone know why?
[03:33] <tvelocity> and then we'll unlock it to full speed
[03:33] <zapada> ok
[03:33] <dabeej> I just followed the ubuntu starter guide like requested
[03:34] <zapada> can I send you the screenshot of the error I got?
[03:34] <tvelocity> yeah sure
[03:34] <zapada> (this was from about a month ago when I tried)
[03:34] <Zevin> hey all
[03:34] <dabeej> and the solution to my dvd w/ totem problem is not solved
[03:34] <dabeej> ** Message: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)2, systemstream=(boolean)false
[03:35] <dabeej> ** Message: don't know how to handle audio/x-ac3
[03:35] <Burgundavia> dabeej: you using totem-xine or totem-streamer?
[03:35] <dabeej> i have gstreamer-dvd
[03:35] <dabeej> gstreamer i do believe
[03:35] <Burgundavia> you have decss package?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> libdvdcss2
[03:35] <dabeej> ii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-woody0.0 Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtim
[03:35] <synd> hey guys I just installed warty onto a P3 600Mhz, 128MB, 10GBand its running great.. except that it wont connect to my network via DHCP (wired internet sharing with my iBook)..
[03:36] <dabeej> yes
[03:36] <Burgundavia> dabeej: woody?
[03:36] <zapada> tvelocity: being sent
[03:36] <Burgundavia> dabeej: try totem-xine
[03:36] <synd> I know it works this way because I have another PC that i installed warty on.. and it worked this way
[03:36] <dabeej> that what came up when i folowed the install
[03:36] <tritium> synd, perhaps the iBook is not sharing properly
[03:36] <tvelocity> zapada, there seems to be something wron with DCC here...
[03:36] <tvelocity> * Received a malformed DCC request from zapada.
[03:36] <tvelocity> * Contents of packet: DCC SEND ok.png<PHONE_NUMBER> 4167 62938 T
[03:36] <zapada> tvelocity: in the Ubuntu device manager, my modem apears there
[03:36] <zapada> I can send you that screenshot too if you want
[03:36] <zapada> has all the modem details
[03:37] <zapada> oh
[03:37] <Zevin> I'm kinda new to linux, but really like it,and am having a small problem with ndiswrapper 1.1
[03:37] <kbrooks> zapada, LAMER
[03:37] <png> tvelocity, ?
[03:37] <png> ha. sorry:)
[03:37] <synd> tritium: i know for a fact it works, I was just using it on this box (which I had to boot into WinXP to get on my wireless network)
[03:37] <Zevin> i got it all installed, and it worked great, but after a reboot, it stopped working
[03:37] <bitar> hey all..
[03:37] <Zevin> networking window shows it is active, and picks up my SSID, but when i open firefox, it can't connect
[03:38] <bitar> i just finished installing Ubuntu... as soon as it finished installin: it directly asked me for my login and password... and i type them and i'm still in dos mode.. :S how come there's GUI with the star menu and stuff?
[03:38] <tritium> synd, ok, if you've checked
[03:38] <synd> ok, im all ears
[03:38] <zapada> tvelocity: is it not sending?
[03:38] <tvelocity> zapada, it seems not...
[03:38] <zapada> lol ok
[03:38] <zapada> let me find a place to upload it
[03:39] <stuNNed> anyone try to load a  custom DSDT?
[03:39] <Burgundavia> bitar: I am a little confused by your statment. could you clarify?
[03:39] <kbrooks> bitar, "star menu"??
[03:39] <stuNNed> I got it to load but it's getting replaced by one in host OS
[03:39] <synd> also, a black X shows up in the center of the screen when I boot up..? It doesn't do that when I boot up in Ubuntu with this box.
[03:39] <tritium> Burgundavia, any word on your e-mail regarding the incident the other night?
[03:40] <bitar> well... there's nothing :) all i see is a login name and password.. and that's it.. i'm in Dos mode.. telling me i have one new e-mail :S
[03:40] <zapada> tvelocity: http://img170.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img170&image=ok4oo.png
[03:40] <kbrooks> bitar, pm?
[03:40] <bitar> kbrooks: what's pm ?
[03:40] <Burgundavia> tritium: mako emailed me back saying that he thought it wasn't clearcut, but that we did need chan ops. He offered me the position, to which I said yes. I also stated that if he comes back, we have a pretty clear case for banning him completely
[03:41] <kbrooks> bitar, private message
[03:41] <tritium> Burgundavia, okay.  Thanks for the update.
[03:41] <Burgundavia> tritium: no prob. It seems like it will be raised next CC
[03:41] <tritium> Burgundavia, I'm glad to hear that.
[03:41] <nrayever> hi i need some help with my k/ubuntu
[03:41] <kbrooks> tritium, what are you talking about?
[03:41] <kbrooks> whats with mako
[03:42] <nrayever> i would like to enable my root acount
[03:42] <synd> tritium: nevermind! it just loaded up google.. I pinged it and it looks to be connected fine. Seems like I had to reboot after I configured the Network Connections.
[03:42] <tritium> synd, good
[03:42] <tritium> kbrooks, we just had an incident in here the other night
[03:42] <nrayever> and i would like to change it's group preference
[03:42] <kbrooks> tritium, and it was about?
[03:42] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: a gentlement didn't really understand the CoC
[03:43] <tvelocity> zapada, it seems you need the package kernel-headers installed
[03:43] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: he kept persisting in saying things that were not kosher
[03:43] <zapada> tvelocity: oh, I didn't know :\
[03:43] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: so I emailed mako with the evidence
[03:43] <Dreamer3> ok, i'm having trouble burning a cd with cdrecord
[03:43] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: it was a rather distasteful incident
[03:43] <Dreamer3> i'm trying to get it to scan the bus, but it keeps getting hung up on hda because it's busy
[03:43] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, "kosher"?
[03:43] <phobosanger> is there any easy way to install jave on Konq.
[03:43] <synd> Ahh im ecstatic now! I just took an old P3 700 Mhz 128MB 10GB laptop with a DVD player that had been sitting in my closet for 2 years and made it useful with ubuntu!
[03:43] <tvelocity> make sure you also have gcc
[03:43] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, and who is mako?
[03:44] <tritium> synd, congratulations
[03:44] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: kosher = jewish word. In english slang, something that is not good and acceptable
[03:44] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: mako = Benj. Mako Hill
[03:44] <synd> thanks.
[03:44] <zapada> tvelocity: ok, thanks, also: http://img15.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img15&image=modemstuff0bu.png
[03:44] <tritium> kbrooks, he's a point of contact regarding the Code of Conduct
[03:45] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, what WILL happen to him?
[03:45] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: nothing unless he does something more, from what I understand
[03:46] <zapada> tvelocity: now how would I go about unlocking to full speed?
[03:46] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, did he found ubuntu?
[03:46] <kbrooks> or who did
[03:46] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: ?
[03:47] <tritium> Burgundavia, sorry I asked ;)
[03:47] <Burgundavia> tritium: my bad, I read my email wrong
[03:47] <Burgundavia> tritium: it say unambigous
[03:47] <Burgundavia> not ambiguous
[03:47] <tritium> oh
[03:47] <tvelocity> zapada, you can use this, but don't tell anyone:P
[03:47] <Dreamer3> can anyone help me get cdrecord working?
[03:48] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: I don't understand your last statment
[03:48] <tritium> Dreamer3, is it finding your cd burner?
[03:48] <Dreamer3> tritium: no, scanbus dies because it can't read hda... my cdr is at hdc
[03:48] <Dreamer3> tritium: if i just knew the device #'s i'd be set
[03:48] <kbrooks> Burgundavia, who founded ubuntu?
[03:49] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: Mark Shuttleworth
[03:49] <tritium> Dreamer3, oh...well, I was going to help you use scanbus, but you already tried...
[03:49] <Marble2> Ugh, can someone help me? I just installed a new Hard Drive, formatted it to NTFS in windows, and when I boot to ubuntu I get this: http://www.marble.fuckyouanddie.com/100_0393.jpg (yes I am lazy and didn't want to write all that stuff down)
[03:49] <Burgundavia> kbrooks: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[03:50] <tritium> Marble2, what's with the rude URL?
[03:50] <Dreamer3> tritium: no idea what the right decive #'s would be for hdc?
[03:50] <Marble2> my hosting is free
[03:50] <Marble2> sorry
[03:50] <tritium> Dreamer3, no, sorry.
[03:51] <Marble2> any ideas?
[03:51] <tritium> no, sorry
[03:51] <Marble2> :(
[03:51] <Marble2> anyone else?
[03:53] <tritium> Dreamer3, when you use scanbus do you use dev=ATAPI: ?
[03:53] <tritium> And did you also try dev=ATA: ?
[03:54] <Dreamer3> tritium: yes, i tried both
[03:54] <tritium> ok
[03:54] <Dreamer3> tritium: i know what device it is (/dev/hdc)... but i just don't know these funny #'s cdrecord wants
[03:54] <tritium> right
[03:54] <yyc747> if I download the RC in two days, will I have to download the full install CD for the "official" Hoary, or is it just a apt-get update; apt-get upgrade?
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: hey
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: um
[03:55] <yyc747> for that matter, what about the preview release?
[03:55] <Burgundavia> yyc747: you just have update mostly
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: specifying the device itself seems to work great!
[03:55] <tritium> Dreamer3, doh!  :)
[03:55] <Dreamer3> tritium: i thought i needed a 0,0,0 pair
[03:56] <yyc747> Dreamer3: not since the 2.6 kernel tree
[03:56] <tritium> Marble2, in what way are you trying to use the NTFS filesystem?
[03:56] <Marble2> none
[03:56] <yyc747> Burgundavia: with the preview, the RC, or both?  also, what is "mostly"?  what is the biggest thing that could change?
[03:56] <Marble2> this happened before I formatted it to NTFS too actually
[03:56] <tritium> oh, I see
[03:56] <Dreamer3> yyc747: i swear i used a atapi:#,#,# on my previous devian install, but this is much easier!
[03:57] <Burgundavia> yyc747: for the most part, I and others have been successful with simply updating
[03:57] <yyc747> Dreamer3: you can use both... I believe with cdrdao, you do need the number though
[03:57] <Burgundavia> yyc747: my box was a warty preview
[03:57] <llamabutcher> hey guys i am following a guide to install ndiswrapper and get my wifi card working. It says to call sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf but it says ndiswrapper isnt a command...
[03:57] <yyc747> does Hoary have out-of-the-box support for HFS+ filesystem?
[03:58] <yyc747> llamabutcher: try /sbin/ndiswrapper
[03:59] <yyc747> does Hoary have out-of-the-box support for HFS+ filesystem and Apple partition support (I'm also talking about the x86 version)
[03:59] <llamabutcher> /sbin/ndiswrapper command not found
[03:59] <yyc747> I have an hfs+ formatted iPod, and I don't want to reformat it
[03:59] <tritium> llamabutcher, you did install it?
[04:00] <llamabutcher> i thought it did, ill try one more time
[04:00] <ions> the latest Hoary updates rocked
[04:00] <ions> finally fixed the cursor too :)
[04:00] <llamabutcher> ls: /etc/ndiswrapper: No such file or directory
[04:00] <llamabutcher> Installing bcmwl5
[04:01] <Burgundavia> happening right now. We have a pretty crippled enforcement/operator
[04:01] <Burgundavia> system for #ubuntu at the moment. If you see the latest CC summary,
[04:01] <Burgundavia> we've got a plan for dealing with it. If you've got suggestions for
[04:01] <Burgundavia> operators in #ubuntu (and feel free to suggest yourself since you're
[04:01] <Burgundavia> definitely trusted), please, make those to me. :)
[04:01] <ions> just saying..
[04:01] <llamabutcher> bcmwl5 is the .inf file on the cd
[04:01] <llamabutcher> does that mean it installed?
[04:03] <Wildthing> hello, does anyone here know how to enable aspect ratio preservation in mplayer?
[04:04] <Servo888> how do I disable gdm from starting on boot?
[04:05] <tritium> Servo888, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start
[04:08] <tritium> Servo888, note that "Only the first one in the list is "the one true way" in Debian"
[04:08] <LenSeatl> is there any chance to change permission of file while using ubuntu live cd?
[04:08] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: what do you need to do?
[04:09] <llamabutcher> alright. I installed ndiswrapper. When I type sudo modprobe ndiswrapper, my system hangs
[04:09] <llamabutcher> i dont know if its hanging
[04:09] <llamabutcher> or if my mouse jus goes away
[04:09] <llamabutcher> but i think it hangs cuz i cant even reboot it without a hardshut down
[04:09] <llamabutcher> ctrl alt backspace does nothing
[04:10] <LenSeatl> Burgundavia: I need to copy a file from hard drive to usb drive but can't do it, 'cause the drives are read - only
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> is there a way to search for a name of a package when installing w/ apt-get?
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> I want to install esdplay, but no package found w/ that name
[04:10] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, there's apt-cache search <package>
[04:10] <Dr_Acemaster> ahh cool, thanks tritium
[04:10] <llamabutcher> tritium any ideas about that?
[04:11] <llamabutcher> however, i am mking progress it seems, when i type it, the light on my wireless card comes on
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: the usb drives?
[04:11] <llamabutcher> but then i cant do ANYTHING
[04:11] <tritium> Dr_Acemaster, you want esound-clients
[04:11] <llamabutcher> i have to hold the power button down to reset
[04:11] <LenSeatl> YES THE USB EXTERNAL DRIVE
[04:11] <Dr_Acemaster> so just apt-get install esound-clients?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: hmm
[04:11] <tritium> llamabutcher, no, I've not used ndiswrapper.  You're not on amd64, are you?
[04:11] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: then yes you can
[04:11] <llamabutcher> no, toshiba laptop
[04:12] <resiak> llamabutcher: What wlan card do you have in it?
[04:12] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: but that is really a bug and you should probably try and duplicate it then report it
[04:12] <LenSeatl> Burgundavia: don't care
[04:12] <LenSeatl> to do it
[04:12] <LenSeatl> I've been on terminal and changed to root
[04:13] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: ?
[04:13] <dampjam> Anybody know a good encrypted filesystem I can use?
[04:13] <LenSeatl> tried to copy the file but couldn't
[04:13] <LenSeatl> got the message of permission
[04:14] <LenSeatl> can we go to separate room Burgundavia?
[04:15] <PlasmaPain> what a samll world
[04:15] <Burgundavia> LenSeatl: sure
[04:16] <Marble2> what does the error: "Kernel Panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init" mean?
[04:17] <Marble2> I'm getting it when I boot up to ubuntu, I'm at a knoppix livecd now... I chrooted to the ubuntu partition and am running apt-get updates right now
[04:17] <Marble2> but what's causing it?
[04:19] <alainm> does the 5.04 preview install Gnome by default?
[04:19] <hans-inge> is it a way to acess a file in a windows network like "//server/shared_folder/filname", like in windows?
[04:19] <resiak> hans-inge: smb://server/shared_folder in Nautilus (the file browser).
[04:20] <codyman> i keep getting a message regarding arts: "cpu overload"
[04:22] <hans-inge> yes, but if i need a path to use i a python script (or someting)?
[04:22] <GhostFaceKilla> dcgui is borked
[04:22] <Xira> Hi guys, I am willing to do anything to get Ubuntu to work. Whenever I install it on my desktop with a dell 1704fp monitor and 9800 pro 256 (which it detects fine), when x starts, i just get a black screen and my monitor turns off (im assuming it stops receiving signal) i've tried to look in my x logs and modify my conf for the hell of it with no success, could someone possibly ssh into my amchine and fix it"
[04:22] <GhostFaceKilla> FWIW
[04:23] <PlasmaPain> \quit
[04:23] <PlasmaPain> \quit
[04:23] <resiak> hans-inge: man mount.smbfs
[04:23] <DanC_ub> hmm... sound is working here, but not the volume control.
[04:23] <DanC_ub> alsamixer seems happy (as does gnome volume control) but frobbing the knobs has no effect
[04:23] <resiak> hans-inge: Alternatively, look into Python Samba clients.
[04:23] <DanC_ub> VIA 823x rev60
[04:23] <Xira> Anyone?
[04:23] <resiak> hans-inge: The latter is probably the better solution.
[04:23] <Xira> I'll paypal money
[04:23] <Xira> :(
[04:23] <resiak> Xira: Money?
[04:24] <Xira> I am so desperate
[04:24] <Xira> I guess I just better give up and use every other distro it works with
[04:24] <Xira> :/
[04:25] <Xira> :(
[04:25] <Xira> Hi guys, I am willing to do anything to get Ubuntu to work. Whenever I install it on my desktop with a dell 1704fp monitor and 9800 pro 256 (which it detects fine), when x starts, i just get a black screen and my monitor turns off (im assuming it stops receiving signal) i've tried to look in my x logs and modify my conf for the hell of it with no success, could someone possibly ssh into my amchine and fix it <--
[04:26] <Xira> if someone can get it to work i'll paypal them 5$ :/
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> Xira: it's probably set to a refresh rate that the monitor can't handle.
[04:26] <Xira> LeeJunFan, negative
[04:26] <Xira> tripplechecked
[04:27] <fissy> which driver is it trying to use Xira ?
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> Xira: may I /msg you?
[04:27] <Xira> of course
[04:28] <Xira> fissy, the 'radeon' 2d driver, i've tried vesa as well
[04:28] <Xira> vesa results in monitor signal... but a mess of colors
[04:28] <fissy> keep it on vesa while you're trying to fix it, lowest common denominator... shotgun bug fixing
[04:28] <ions> test
[04:29] <Xira> yep...
[04:29] <Xira> vesa == mess of colors
[04:29] <Xira> doesnt matter which res
[04:29] <Xira> it would just be best of someone ssh'd in and tried it
[04:30] <skreet> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686-smp/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:30] <skreet> .. Anyone?
[04:30] <resiak> Someone SSH in and blow up his screen!
[04:30] <skreet> ooooh wait
[04:30] <fissy> have you got an unusual configuration, like using a dvi cable?
[04:30] <fissy> skreet, sudo
[04:30] <fissy> :)
[04:30] <deang> Where do I find my VNC config file?
[04:30] <deang> er, what's it called.
[04:31] <EMan> so, im disliking FC3 and told to use Ubuntu.  Why would one use Ubuntu over Debian?
[04:31] <skreet> Whats the module autoload file?
[04:31] <skreet> Ubuntu is updated and pre-setup
[04:31] <skreet> Debian is out of date if you use stable, and you have to build from a console.
[04:31] <tvelocity> EMan, sensible defaults, just'works philosophy, etc...
[04:31] <MoneyCat> deang: /etc/vnc.conf
[04:31] <Arnia> Ubuntu is focused on usability
[04:31] <EMan> How often is it updated (ie, can I install Ubuntu and apt-get gnome to get 2.10)?
[04:32] <fissy>  /etc/modules skreet
[04:32] <skreet> resiak, Dont you not get a pre-installed GUI/programs with Sarge?
[04:32] <Arnia> Ubuntu is on a 6 month release cycle tracking Gnome
[04:32] <resiak> skreet: If you choose "Graphical Desktop" when you install, then you get all that stuff. If you don't, then you don't. This seems sane to me.
[04:33] <skreet> resiak, My mistake then, must be thinking of something else.
[04:33] <tkiesel> All the cutting-edge ness of Debian unstable, but more stable.
[04:33] <EMan> Seems reasonable.  Now, how stable is Hoary?  Is it worth installing now, or should I just go with warty and apt upgrade when it goes open?
[04:33] <Arnia> Isn't Breezy going to build a graphical installer?
[04:33] <Arnia> I've been using Hoary for a while. Its fine
[04:33] <smouche> help! --  I need to log-in as root.  I set a password for root, but the log-in screen won't let me log in as root -- if I ^-Alt-f for the commandline,
[04:34] <smouche> what command gets me to the desktop?
[04:34] <tkiesel> I'm going to apt Hoary after it's released. I'm in no rush.  9 days wait? No biggie.
[04:34] <skreet> smouche, CTRL+ALT+F7 Will bring you back to GDM, if thats what you mean
[04:34] <smouche> I meant Ctl-Alt f6, of course...
[04:34] <skreet> 9 days until final?
[04:34] <smouche> skreet, no, I want the gui as root -- f7 sends me back to the regular user
[04:35] <EMan> ok, Ubuntu seems like the new distro ill install
[04:35] <skreet> smouche, I think you need to set GDM to allow root logins, or close GDM and setup xinit to start Gnome manually from a root console.
[04:35] <tkiesel> 9 days or ten. Next Wednesday.
[04:35] <resiak> FTLOG, man, why do you want to log into X as root?
[04:35] <randabis> uh, why would you want to run your x-session as root?
[04:35] <skreet> smouche, Yes theres an option in GDM settings to allow root login via GDM
[04:36] <randabis> that's asking for trouble there
[04:36] <skreet> login as your user and set that checkbox..
[04:36] <smouche> unfortunately, skreet, I'm not using GDM, I'm on kubuntu -- but maybe there's a similar option in kde -- I'll check -- but thank you! :-)