[00:03] <quadrathoch2> Biessie upgrade of what?
[00:04] <Biessie> sudo apt upgrade (i was already on the newest LTS though so just a few packaged)
[00:05] <quadrathoch2> should I now guess what was updated?
[00:08] <Biessie> nah sorry im back and fourth on my laptop trying to figure out what is going on. i just rebooted my box and it came back up but won't even connect to ethernet now.
[00:08] <Biessie> idk whats going on
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Biessie: What shows for a render in the file /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml ?
[00:15] <Biessie> Bashing-om : NetworkManager
[00:20] <Bashing-om> Biessie: A server should have networkd as the renderer - however what shows for the nameserver in the file /etc/resolv.conf ?
[00:20] <Biessie> I use it as a desktop every now and then
[00:20] <Biessie> but it's mostly just in the corner of my room
[00:20] <Bashing-om> !netplan | Biessie
[00:21] <Biessie> Bashing-om - Nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> | options edns0
[00:25] <mason> Biessie: If you don't have netplan installed, you can wipe out anything in its config directory and have NM drive directly. That said, 1) in case you care, it'll use systemd-resolved unless you tell it not to, and 2) it won't touch wired interfaces unless you tweak it.
[00:25] <Bashing-om> Biessie: Correct; network manager is managed from the GUI see: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2402695 .
[00:26] <mason> Biessie: To get it to manage wired, touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf
[00:27] <mason> (This gives an empty config to the arguably broken config it has by default in its default config - dpkg -L network-manager | grep conf to find all the defaults.)
[00:27] <mason> FWIW, graphical interface to it is decidedly optional. Don't remember that last time I didn't just use nmcli.
[00:30] <mason> Biessie: FWIW, heading off for a bit, but I also touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-dns-resolved.conf out of the box so NM handles resolv.conf by stuffing in whatever comes out of DHCP, or whatever's set manually. I also mask systemd-resolved, but that's all your preference.
[00:31] <Biessie> i didnt change any of my network settings from day one.. been having this server since 16.04 LTS
[00:31] <Biessie> so whatever the last update i just did im assuming is what caused my network to stop working.
[00:32] <mason> Biessie: Hm, it'd be odd if it slid in netplan behind your back, but I think you have to take steps to squash resolved.
[00:32] <mason> Biessie: And NM might have carried in its default that chops off wired configs. Are you on a wired interface, or wifi?
[00:32] <Biessie> how do i get a list of the newest list of recent updates from apt update?
[00:32] <Biessie> wired
[00:33] <mason> Biessie: after apt update, say apt list --upgradable
[00:33] <Biessie> kk im restarting my box now and once it loads up ill get that list
[00:33] <mason> alright, going for real now - story time for the wee ones - but I'll be back and catch up
[00:33] <Biessie> take care
[00:34] <mason> you too - good luck
[00:34] <Bashing-om> Biessie: upgrade log is at /var/log/dpkg.log .
[00:47] <Biessie> So from what mason was saying that if it installed netplan it could cause conflicts with the existing setup i had with netmanager?
[00:48] <Biessie> if i just uninstall netplan would it correct it?
[00:48] <Biessie> networkd*
[00:49] <Peppi> Bashing-om, I did not.
[00:49] <Peppi> EriC^^, what I mean is I stick it in the laptop and try to boot from usb and it says it's not bootable media
[00:51] <Bashing-om> biesssiee: https://www.configserverfirewall.com/ubuntu-linux/ubuntu-network-manager/ <- Disable Network Manager and enable systemd-networkd.
[00:53] <biesssiee> okay so Biessie is my linux box ZNC online with wireless. so it's definately an issue with wired only
[00:59] <mason> biesssiee: Hey again. So, yeah, pick which network management suite you want and run with just one, IMHO. For a laptop I'd stick with NM. If wired isn't being configured, it's probably the default NM config being a problem, in which case telling it not to explicitly exclude wired interfaces would work.
[01:00] <mason> biesssiee: Look at /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf
[01:00] <mason> biesssiee: You can change that (not recommended) or 1) copy it into /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d and edit it there, or 3) just have an empty file with that name in /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d
[01:02] <mason> s/3/2/
[01:05] <jessequinn> hi, quick question, how can i install netplan from live usb to fix my not internet issue on my machine?
[01:06] <jessequinn> it is possible to do this?
[01:06] <mason> biesssiee: Reading scrollback, looks like it's probably just systemd-resolved hosing you.  systemctl stop systemd-resolved, systemdctl mask systemd-resolved, touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-dns-resolved.conf, rm /etc/resolv.conf and force it to repopulate
[01:31] <biesssiee> nothing is working lol. only my wireless works and not wired. i just finally got it to work, atleast it shows it's connected but its IPv6 only
[01:33] <mason> biesssiee: Weird. Check all those configs then. By default NM won't drive wired NICs under recent configs until you fix it.
[01:34] <biesssiee> all te configs in /usr/lib/NetworkManager/conf.d are empty
[01:35] <mason> Oh, that's a bit odd.
[01:35] <mason> biesssiee: Does the network work if you give it a bare "dhclient eth0" or whatever your wired NIC shows up as?
[01:35] <biesssiee> with the exception of the default wifi one.
[01:36] <mason> biesssiee: See, that sounds an awful lot like the NM configs I'm talking about, but if you can see your NIC with "ip a" and if dhclient drives it, that's somewhere to start.
[01:37] <biesssiee> trying sudo dhclient enp4s0. and it's just hanging there as of now
[01:38] <mason> biesssiee: Verify the physical network maybe...?
[01:38] <mason> Link lights, power, maybe another system using that ethernet cable to verify that it's just that system somehow?
[01:38] <mason> That cable, that port, etc.
[01:41] <biesssiee> Just followed it to the switch. all good
[01:41] <biesssiee> running smooth
[01:42] <mason> Running smooth how? Did dhclient finally do its thing? Or did you try another system on that wire/port/etc?
[01:42] <biesssiee> sorry saying it's all connected properly. nothing was unhooked by accideng
[01:42] <mason> ah, I'd still try another system to verify beyond a doubt that it's a bad config or something on that specific box. Easy test.
[01:43] <kbdlnx123> Can someone explain to me why tracker is using so much cpu and fan when I start up?
[01:53] <Biessie> mason : lol can't figure it out but thank you so much for all of your input and time
[01:53] <Biessie> guess im stuck with wifi
[01:54] <mason> Biessie: Another thought, try live media to see if a "fresh look" at the hardware is able to drive it. That'd bug me to pieces not being able to use a wired NIC.
[01:55] <quadrathoch2> I would still look into what updated, to see what happened maybe
[01:56] <Biessie> ughhhh brb let me try one more thing
[01:56] <quadrathoch2> Kbdlnx123 tracker is indexing your files so you can search faster
[02:03] <Biessie> YAY
[02:03] <Biessie> it works
[02:05] <Biessie> mason
[02:05] <mason> Biessie: What was it?
[02:07] <Biessie> I honestly have no idea. I did so many changes before my last reboot it could have been one or a few of the many changes lol.  - if you wanna SSH and look at my bash log haha you're mo re than welcome
[02:07] <mason> Nah, I'm glad it's working though.
[02:08] <Biessie> Me too. My wireless caps out at 250Mbps.. and i have 1000mbit up.down connection
[02:08] <Biessie> well it sometimes hits in the 300mbps but wired is MUCH faster
[02:20] <neildugan> I am getting some RAM for a motherboard, I understand that getting faster RAM than the motherboard supports is OK, it will be used at the slower motherboard speed, is this correct?
[02:22] <energizer> i haven't touched linux bluetooth in many years, last i recall it was either high quality audio sink or poor quality two-way audio (choose one). my android phone does high quality audio calls w/ google hangouts over bluetooth. can i get this in linux too?
[02:53] <ViperXL75> I wonder. Is there a way for the CLI of Ubuntu 20.04 to start behaving like the old ugly way when you do a "ls -l"? Nowadays it shows the directory names within parentesis etc... like 'My Files' instead of the old My Files
[02:59]  * kreyren comes in channel and starts screaming heeelp while providing only https://github.com/Kreyren/kreyren/issues/16
[03:05] <strive> neildugan: That's my rule of thumb - get faster RAM than what the mobo supports.
[03:05] <strive> Besides, if you've got an amd cpu - ryzen chips LOVE fast ram.
[03:06] <strive> BUT - there's ##hardware for those types of questions.
[03:06] <amuro> ViperXL75: Maybe the white space in the filename put it into quotation mark?
[03:06] <strive> ViperXL75: There's those ' ' because there's a space in the name.
[03:07] <strive> I wondered about that a couple years back, ;)
[03:07] <amuro> I think it was always like that in linux
[03:12] <ViperXL75> oh there are white spaces indeed
[03:13] <ViperXL75> amuro: lies... lies...
[03:13] <ViperXL75> i remember that the crappy old Ubuntu 14 that i was using a while back, didn't show it like this
[03:13] <ViperXL75> xD
[03:15] <amuro> ViperXL75: I remembered it was always like that back then when I first try ubuntu 6.06
[03:52] <ViperXL75> :S
[03:52] <ViperXL75> ok. If u say so.. i'll have to settle for it
[03:52] <ViperXL75> <--- Mumbling in disbelief but shutting up.
[04:18] <thlmrk> Hey guys i'm on 20.04 and for some reason all of the streaming websites i'm trying (FMovies, SolarMovies, Lookmovie, etc) will not load the streams properly.
[04:18] <thlmrk> Speedtest is fine
[04:19] <thlmrk> websites work fine on my desktop
[04:19] <thlmrk> There isn't any weird QOS settings on my router
[04:20] <thlmrk> I've also tried using Chromium & Firefox both browsers experience this issue
[04:20] <quadrathoch2> thlmrk did you install the codecs?
[04:20] <quadrathoch2> especially chromium uses ffmpeg
[04:20] <thlmrk> No, the video plays but it just buffers alot like the internet is slow
[04:20] <thlmrk> but speedtest is fine
[04:20] <quadrathoch2> ahh, okay, no idea then
[04:21] <thlmrk> Guess i'm going back to Windblows on it. No idea what the heck is the matter, but it makes it most annoying.
[04:21] <thlmrk> YouTube works fine as does netflix it's only those third party websites that I have issues with. Like they aren't prioritizing my IP... but again it works completely fine on my Win10 desktop.
[04:22] <w0rmie> hello, i am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 on my asus r541u, but the installation wizard is freezing. i have tried to use some kernel parameters on boot like nomodeset but no way, any ideas folks?
[04:23] <w0rmie> i am sure this is a graphic driver issue as this asus holds nvidia geforce 440
[04:29] <w0rmie> hello, i am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 on my asus r541u, but the installation wizard is freezing. i have tried to use some kernel parameters on boot like nomodeset but no way, any ideas folks?
[04:30] <thlmrk> Sorry idk w0rmie
[04:30] <w0rmie> thlmrk : thank you
[06:01] <davido_> It seems that my laptop is no longer getting kernel images. uname -r has me at 5.4.0-37-generic, when my other systems are all on 5.4.0-40. What could be holding this laptop back?
[07:16] <ducasse> davido_: you might not be using an up-to-date mirror
[07:26] <Metamorphosis> Hello, I'm seeing an annoying window popping up everytime I restart my computer, how to stop it? https://img.susepaste.org/images/e00c0d81.png
[07:26] <Metamorphosis> I'm running Kubuntu 20.04
[07:38] <kari> If its to do with kwallet, I imagine you'll have to enter it each time, as a security measure?
[07:38] <Metamorphosis> kari it is not usually that way, I'm using Kubuntu for over 11 years and its the first time i'm encountering this.
[07:39] <Metamorphosis> kwallet usually pops up during the system install time. But not after that.
[07:39] <Metamorphosis> I asked in #kubuntu and #KDE but with no success.
[07:40] <kari> OK, try looking in system settings, account details. Apparently from there you can enable/disable and reconfigure it
[07:40] <kari> Maybe that would help
[07:42] <gebbione> hi , i m on 18.04 ... at boot it takes a long time to start apps even if cpu is at 23% and memory less than 25% (3 out 12 GB) ... any suggestions at what I am looking for as a bottleneck?
[07:42] <kari> HHD or SSD?
[07:42] <kari> HDD*
[07:42] <gebbione> SSD
[07:43] <kari> That was my only suggestion. Lol
[07:44] <kari> New install?
[07:44] <gebbione> yea the hardrive should be fast enough. It is a board and CPU I bought in 2011 but still their usage is very low. I clicked on chrome and other apps to start them about 1 min before joining IRC
[07:44] <gebbione> no, it is a system that was upgraded since 2011
[07:44] <kari> Ahh
[07:44] <gebbione> so i guess 14 to 16 and now 18
[07:45] <kari> System maintenance,  cleared out temp files etc?
[07:46] <gebbione> is that a thing ? :)
[07:47] <kari> Look in /tmp
[07:56] <Peppi> hello
[07:57] <Peppi> ubuntu 20.04 the firewall is disabled by default?
[08:03] <gebbione> kari i doubt temp files are an issue - du -h --max-depth=0 /tmp -> 880K	/tmp
[08:12] <schangg> I have ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS and would like to upgrade to latest LTS (which from my understanding is 20.04). However, when I do do-release I am proposed to change a conf file to upgrade to latest non-LTS
[08:13] <schangg> isn't 20.04 the latest LTS ? and if so why is this proposed when I run do-release-upgrade ?
[08:14] <pundir> Hi.. today's ubuntu update broke repo for me. I see: "ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_ssl'". Here is today's update log: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ioS3krs9/
[08:14] <pundir> i'm on ubuntu 16.04.x. any idea how to fix this breakage or revert the update?
[08:41] <kari> gebbione: ahhh oki
[09:19] <INSANU> hey guys, how do I force gdm to use wayland instead of x11
[09:19] <INSANU> for some reason its using x11 now...
[09:26] <INSANU> oh damn nvidia fu*** piece of trash
[09:49] <archaeopter> Hello! I had wifi on live 20 install, but now my wifi seems connected, but has no speed, help?
[09:52] <nirakara> hi. i'm installing 20.04 desktop using mdadm. created the raid 0 array and installed ubuntu onto it. the instructions im following call for `mount --bind /dev /target/dev` but when i run this command i get `mount: /target/dev: mount point does not exist.` im supposed to do the same for /proc and /sys so that I can chroot into the system and install
[09:52] <nirakara> mdadm before rebooting. what is the workaround for this?
[09:53] <nirakara> the guide im following is a youtube video that covers this for 18.04; i couldn't find any instructions for 20.04 and its really difficult to find textual instructions for installing ubuntu desktop 20.04 (or 18.04) onto a raid 0 mdadm
[09:58] <konrados> Hello. I have a disk, which has 930 GB in total. I have a few partitions there, I did shrink one of them (using kde partition manager), now, as you can see here: https://i.imgur.com/ppobTnr.png I have 266 GB 'unallocated'. Then why neither KDE Partition manager nor Gparted allows me to expand the partition I called 'hdd'? I hoped I'd be able to expand it by about 266 GB
[09:58] <archaeopter> Hello! I had wifi on live 20 install, but now my wifi seems connected, but has no speed, help?
[10:32] <EriC^^> konrados: it's cause it's at the end, you need to move it back then expand
[10:32] <EriC^^> but there's the efi partition in the middle, so you'll have to reinstall the bootloader
[10:35] <konrados> OK, thanks EriC^^ - I didn't think it's gonna be so complicated :) Now I just realized that instead of playing with the partitions, I'll use this 'unallocated' to create a new one. It's all about backups only, so 1 part will be on this current partition, the  other part of the backup will be on a new partition :) Thanks again :)
[10:46] <EriC^^> konrados: that's a good idea, no problem :)
[10:46] <Squarism> I'm on ubuntu 18.04. On a pretty crappy internet connection but do have the 20.04 bootable USB drive with me. How do I *upgrade* best in this situation?
[10:47] <Squarism> Will booting the USB drive make it possible to *upgrade* (as opposed to replace) my current installation?
[10:52] <gibson96> Squarism, What happens when you try to boot from the usb?
[10:53] <gibson96> I think typically when you go through the graphical installer there's a stage where it asks something like "What would you like to do?"
[10:54] <gibson96> With a few options including "erase and install" or "upgrade", you should be able to choose the upgrade option
[10:54] <Squarism> gibson96, ok.
[10:55] <archaeopter> Hello! I had wifi on live 20 install, but now my wifi seems connected, but has no speed, help?
[10:56] <Squarism> gibson96, when you say "graphical installer" is that something you reach from the bootable USB or something you get when installing from running the current installed version?
[10:56] <Squarism> eh.. the last message got a bit convoluted. But I guess you understand.
[10:58] <schangg> Hello
[10:58] <gibson96> Squarism, Sorry, I should've been clearer, when you boot from the USB there should be a window that pops up saying "install ubuntu", if you click that option then you will be in the "graphical installer"
[10:58] <schangg> I am having troubles trying to do-release-upgrade -d to switch from 18.04 to 20.04
[10:58] <momken> hello
[10:59] <schangg> first issue that I apparently had to purge some third party ppa which I have done
[10:59] <momken> Can I ask my problems regarding LinuxMint here in Ubuntu channel?
[10:59] <schangg> I am now been told that some packages are not upgradeable
[10:59] <schangg> so I'd guess that this corresponds to the ones installed with these ppa I just removed
[10:59] <schangg> so I'm a bit stuck
[11:00] <schangg> Is there a way finding from which source packages have been installed ?
[11:00] <gibson96> schangg, did you "apt update" after purging the ppa?
[11:00] <schangg> gibson96 probably but will try again
[11:01] <gibson96> momken, have you tried #linuxmint ?
[11:02] <schangg> gibson96 yes same problem
[11:03] <Squarism> gibson96, thanks! Ill check it out.
[11:03] <momken> gibson96, Yeah, but it has ~100 users
[11:04] <momken> In the case no-one answers me, I guessed whether you welcome me in asking LinuxMint questions?
[11:04] <gibson96> schangg, have you tried this tutorial? https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-to-20-04-lts-using-command-line/
[11:04] <gibson96> Assuming you've already made backups, you can skip to Step 3
[11:05] <gibson96> momken, I've not used Mint, but there may be others here who can help, no harm in asking I suppose?
[11:05] <schangg> gibson96 not this one but the procedure is exactly the same
[11:06] <momken> gibson96, Thank you very much. Bcuz this attitude doesn't exist b/w Arch and Manjaro users
[11:07] <guiverc> momken, only Ubuntu and official flavors of Ubuntu are on-topic here (https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours)
[11:08] <legreffier> read the topic. basic.
[11:08] <momken> guiverc, :|
[11:15] <napyc> 🤓
[11:22] <schangg> Hi
[11:23] <schangg> still trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 following instructions found online
[11:23] <schangg> I'm being told that upgrade is not possible and I should look into logs
[11:23] <schangg> I have pasted main.log and apt.log here https://pastebin.com/DmCr98fj
[11:23] <schangg> I have been through these and I can not quite figure out what's wrong
[11:24] <schangg> could someone kindly have a quick look ? thanks
[11:26] <Nelderoth> Hello, I'm booted into Ubuntu now from a USB stick but i only have this one stick and need to install the windows 10 ISO ive downloaded onto it. Is this possible from within Ubuntu while being booted from it?
[11:27] <Nelderoth> like to format this stick and use an image installer/command to install the windows image to this drive
[11:29] <guiverc> schangg, a quick look and I'd `apt-cache policy libomp5` as I suspect you've got 3rd party packages installed; which should likely be restored to default for upgrade to work
[11:31] <schangg> guiverc getting this https://pastebin.com/YSYG8ERC
[11:33] <guiverc> sorry I misread something...
[11:37] <kari> Nelderoth: I think you can, but you'd have to install grub, and partition your disk to fit win10
[11:38] <schangg> guiverc I have run apt-cache policy on each and every package listed by dpkg -l and I do not see any URL pointing to third party
[11:39] <schangg> guiverc I am not saying that this is the right way to check the origin of a package because I definitely have third party stuff but the repos have been removed from source.list
[11:39] <guiverc> :|  qt4. switching to lp
[11:43] <guiverc> sorry I noted qt4 packages.. (libqtcore4) .. there is a bug on this bionic2focal I believe.. haven't found it (what I meant with launchpad ref)
[11:45] <Nelderoth> karl, do you mean the USB stick to fit the image? or the target install drive? (which btw is already empty ready for a fresh win10 install)
[11:45] <guiverc> nah sorry I think I'm too tired.. it's reminding of bugs which I cannot find sorry schangg
[11:46] <Nelderoth> i dont mind temporarily sacrificing whats on this drive, i just need to use this stick to install the iso ready for booting
[11:46] <kari> You'd have to partition the computer hard drive, or ssd, or m2, whichever you use
[11:47] <Nelderoth> well thats just a small SSD which i dont plan on partitioning for the install, i just want to put my newly purchased win10 key on there
[11:47] <kari> From experience, installing Linux alongside Windows, it auto installs grub etc and resizes the drive... Windows isn't as courteous
[11:47] <kari> So you don't mind binning off linux?
[11:48] <Nelderoth> i forgot that my windows install was being booted by grub and deleted the ubuntu partition
[11:48] <Nelderoth> i already did that for now just to swap things around
[11:48] <kari> So whats currently on the pc, linux or windows?
[11:49] <Nelderoth> i have one SSD with a windows install, the one i was using, then one smaller SSD which is now blank and im currently booting into ubuntu from the usb stick
[11:49] <kari> You wanting to dual boot?
[11:49] <Nelderoth> but i borked my grub last night when removing the partitions that had ubuntu installed so now i cant boot either
[11:49] <Nelderoth> not really, for now i jus wanna get the newly downloaded win10 image onto my usb stick to do a fresh install on the smaller ssd
[11:50] <kari> Okay, I did this exact thing 2 days ago
[11:51] <kari> Windows files were still there, but grub broke. I had to install grub again, gimme a sec ill find the software
[11:51] <Nelderoth> i have had decent results with unetbootin before, but i couldnt install it on this booted as a live distro
[11:52] <Nelderoth> and im not sure if i can use this stick as a target for unetbootin while being booted from that drive
[11:52] <kari> Tinyurl.com/Nelderoth
[11:52] <kari> Try that, I used boot-repair to reinstall grub, which fixed the boot issue
[11:54] <Nelderoth> ok thanks ill give that a shot, but this is to restore the ability to boot windows right? you know i removed the partition with ubuntu so there is no install to repair/access/restore
[11:55] <guiverc> schangg, sorry I've found nothing, so either I was chasing a false memory of issue, or I am too tried, sorry I've come up blank
[11:56] <kari> Where was grub installed, same hdd?
[11:57] <Nelderoth> yeah on the partition that got deleted
[11:57] <kari> You should be able to liveboot linux, use boot-repair to install grub on the hdd with windows on, and rebooting should be fine
[11:57] <Nelderoth> ya i ran that gonna test now brb thanks man :)
[11:57] <kari> Np, lemme know how it goes
[12:04] <Nelderoth> Karl, it didnt work. I tried booting from all available options including this usb stick
[12:11] <schangg> guiverc I have a removed a series of packages and now the upgrade is finally happenning :)
[12:12] <guiverc> :) yippee !
[12:13] <schangg> guiverc thanks
[12:19] <kari> Hmm
[12:20] <kari> So you livebooted,  installed boot-repair from github, ran it and re/installed grub on your ssd?
[12:20] <Nelderoth> well it completed the process
[12:20] <Nelderoth> and in the pastebin log it showed as complete, but then it would not boot
[12:21] <kari> Hmm tried the bios and checking your default booktable drive?
[12:21] <kari> Bootable
[12:21] <Nelderoth> well i have a boot menu, i tried all drives
[12:21] <kari> Hmm
[12:21] <kari> Sorry man, I'm out of ideas
[12:22] <Nelderoth> ok np
[12:22] <Nelderoth> i think ill have to install ubuntu onto the empty drive temporarily just to be able to then use unetbootin to install the windows 10 iso onto this stick
[12:23] <kari> Yeah, then install Windows, and then do Linux if you want to dualboot
[12:23] <kari> Good luck
[12:24] <Nelderoth> ya i need to do a lot of moving/swapping on drives first but ya i will eventually get linux back on
[12:24] <Hank_Moody> Hi everyone, any ubuntu wifi experts among you?
[12:25] <kari> I got a 120gb ssd, split into roughly 2x60gb partitions, each with linux and windows on
[12:25] <serrvan> I cannot reboot or shutdown. I have to do it manually from the pc case. System stucks at splash screen. How can I understadn what's the problem?
[12:26] <Nelderoth> well ima go give it a shot, thanks a lot for your time Karl :)
[12:27] <kari> Np, and its karI
[12:27] <kari> Lol
[12:27] <kari> Good luck
[12:29] <Hank_Moody> Iv got a strange issue where I can see my neigbours wifi, even turn on my hotspot and connect but it cant see my main wifi. I installed Ubuntu 20.04 set it all up and connected no problem, one day i booted and the wifi was hardware disabled so I turned it back on and i cant see my network but i see everyone elses
[12:29] <kari> Your router the same frequency as your wireless card? 2.4ghz or 5hhz
[12:30] <Hank_Moody> i found and deleted my remembered AP's but it didnt help
[12:30] <Hank_Moody> it was working before on a fresh install
[12:30] <kari> Update and upgrade?
[12:31] <Hank_Moody> you mean conect it to ethernet and do an update?
[12:31] <kari> Yep
[12:31] <kari> Could be a driver issue, just needs updating perhaps
[12:32] <Hank_Moody> ill try that
[12:32] <kari> Good luck
[12:37] <Hank_Moody> to answer your other question, yes my router and wifi frequency match, both have 2ghz and 5
[12:40] <kari> Oki.
[12:40] <kari> Update work at all?
[12:41] <Hank_Moody> just finnished dragging an rj45 from one end of the house to the other haha
[12:42] <kari> Haha ouch
[12:45] <Hank_Moody> upgrading now
[12:45] <kari> Woo
[12:58] <Hank_Moody> Hey kari, finished the update, upgrade and its still the same, I can see all the neigbours but not mine, very strange. Its worth noting to that its a dual boot machine, windows can see my ap and connect but Ubuntu cant
[12:58] <alloy> Hey Ubuntu, can someone please tell me the ALT + F-key combinations on the current desktop?  (TTY stuff)
[12:58] <kari> Ah, hmm
[12:58] <kari> Why adaptpr you using
[12:58] <kari> Adaptor
[12:59] <Hank_Moody> and it was working previously. Adapter? internal wifi on a toshiba laptop
[12:59] <kari> Yeah, no idea. Lol
[12:59] <oerheks> odd you can see your neighbour, but not your own wifi ..
[13:00] <kari> Same version of ubuntu you installed?
[13:00] <Hank_Moody> all good, i know right so strange, 4 wifi points avalable but not mine
[13:00] <oerheks> so wifi is working..
[13:01] <Hank_Moody> hardware works
[13:02] <Hank_Moody> and i bet if i had the neigbors password it would connect fine
[13:03] <Hank_Moody> i can start up the hotspot on my phone and it connects and works fine
[13:03] <kari> Silly question, and probably not it, but you tried restarting the router?
[13:03] <Hank_Moody> absolutly
[13:03] <kari> Good man
[13:03] <Hank_Moody> 2 or 3 times
[13:03] <Hank_Moody> over a couple of days
[13:04] <Hank_Moody> just now dragged an ethernet cable to it and performed an update\upgrade
[13:05] <Hank_Moody> also tried deleting the known ap but cant see it to attempt a reconnect
[13:05] <kari> Can you manually add it?
[13:05] <Hank_Moody> good question
[13:06] <Hank_Moody> ill try that
[13:06] <kari> I'll be here, lol
[13:11] <Hank_Moody> oh its trying its hardest, little blue circle spinning, and failed damn
[13:12] <rhoks> since there is the option to erase everything when formatting a usb drive, does that mean that ubuntu can keep all the files intact
[13:12] <rhoks> if I want to format a usb drive
[13:14] <rhoks> anyone?
[13:15] <akem> No, if you format you loose everything.
[13:15] <kari> ^
[13:15] <oerheks> " erase everything when formatting a usb drive"  .. what makes you think formatting keep all the files intact?
[13:15] <akem> Erase probably makes sure nothing can be recovered with various methods.
[13:15] <kari> Well, the files on the USB will be erased.
[13:15] <kari> Wheres your ubuntu files, usb or pc?
[13:16] <rhoks> then why does that Erase button exist when you right-click a usb drive to format it
[13:17] <oerheks> rhoks, why do you ask if formatting keeps files?
[13:17] <Hank_Moody> thanks for your sugestions kari i think ill bite the bullet and reinstall
[13:18] <akem> rhoks, Maybe you're looking for resizing your partition if you wanna keep your files.
[13:18] <akem> Some tools can do that.
[13:18] <kari> Good luck man
[13:19] <rhoks> ahh nvm I just got confused a bit by the existance of the Erase button is all
[13:19] <kari> Depends, if rhoks is using linux installed ok the pc, and just wants to format a USB drive, then yeah, all files on the USB drive will be erased... but it would leave the system files on the pc in tact
[13:19] <Hank_Moody> rhoks, reformatting gives you the chance to change drive formatting, drive letter etc. the erase option just deletes your files, resizing partitions is a different thing
[13:19] <rhoks> but now I got trouble using unetbootin with the drive because it needs it to be FAT32 while I need it to be NTFS :(
[13:19] <kari> Ewww
[13:19] <kari> Ntfs
[13:19] <Hank_Moody> eeek
[13:20] <kari> What you putting on the usb stick?
[13:20] <rhoks> Windows 10 for the newly built PC that I put together the other day with GTX 1660S Gaming X and Ryzen 2700x
[13:20] <kari> Should still support it in fat32, right?
[13:20] <Hank_Moody> to keep your stuff rhokes you have to find another drive to put your stuff on temporaraly till the format is compleated
[13:21] <rhoks> I did try it with FAT32, but thing is it gave me an error when it tried to open an installation file which is 4.3GB in size or something and yeah
[13:21] <kari> Ahhh yea
[13:22] <Hank_Moody> are you trying to change from fat32 to ntfs and not loose data?
[13:22] <oerheks> windows 10 iso on ntfs usb?
[13:22] <kari> Tinyurl.com/rhoks
[13:23] <rhoks> I was told to use this application named woeusb but I wanted to get recommended from you guys an app that is safe and legit, so if you can vouch for it then I'll go for it :D
[13:23] <kari> Followed this?
[13:23] <rhoks> Hank_Moody, I've already formatted it, now I just want to re-create the bootable drive.
[13:23] <kari> That also recommends woeusb
[13:23] <rhoks> using NTFS which unetbootin does not work with apparently
[13:24] <oerheks> woeUSB takes 30 minutes, a windows pc can do it in 3 min
[13:25] <rhoks> well my other windows laptop is almost dead, I need to get to fixing that as wel
[13:25] <rhoks> but for now I guess woeUSB it is, but damnn 30min is a LOTTT
[13:25] <oerheks> good luck with ntfs + windows iso
[13:27] <rhoks> I'm sorry but why is installing woeusb so complicated :o
[13:27] <oerheks> lolz, ask in ##windows?
[13:28] <kari> Its not
[13:28] <kari> 5 commands. Lol
[13:28] <oerheks> bug #1
[13:29] <rhoks> 6 commands kari :D
[13:29] <rhoks> ohh alright, I'm on it.
[13:29] <kari> Lol
[13:30] <kari> When its installed, just run the woeusbgui
[13:34] <rhoks> should I upgrade all my packages first? Karasu
[13:35] <rhoks> sorry kari**
[13:35] <xbfrog> always
[13:35] <rhoks> update is not enough?
[13:36] <xbfrog> update is enough
[13:36] <rhoks> I get lazy to do it because the auto gui auto updater always asks me to restart so I procrastinate on it like a biaaat*h
[13:36] <rhoks> oh I see.
[13:36] <xbfrog> it will upgrade your packages if needed
[13:36] <rhoks> very nice!
[13:37] <rhoks> I love sudo apt update! :D
[13:37] <xbfrog> me too
[13:37] <xbfrog> way better than win use to be
[13:37] <xbfrog> not knocking it just dont wanna use it anymore
[13:37] <leftyfb> uh
[13:37] <leftyfb> sudo apt update does not upgrade packages
[13:38] <leftyfb> rhoks: what is your end goal? Put Windows 10 installer on a usb stick?
[13:38] <rhoks> leftyfb, yep.
[13:38] <leftyfb> rhoks: then use woeusb. We cannot help here any further with that.
[13:38] <rhoks> topp notch
[13:39] <rhoks> ok I think I got my other windows laptop to work, so now I can create my bootable drive on it!
[13:39] <rhoks> and according to oerheks its faster that way.
[13:39] <leftyfb> rhoks: that is the better solution. Good luck
[13:39] <rhoks> Thanks folks!
[13:39] <oerheks> have fun!
[13:40] <kari> Laters
[13:40] <kari> Someone buy me a Gemeni PDA
[13:42] <leftyfb> kari: Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel
[13:43] <xbfrog> ok clarification for me: so your saying if i update my packages if their is an upgrade available it wont install it?
[13:44] <oerheks> upgrade vs dist-upgrade ..
[13:44] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[13:44] <oerheks> i use standard dist-upgrade, no surprises
[13:45] <xbfrog> him, i understood him to mean update/upgrade packages not distro
[13:45] <xbfrog> mayb i misunderstood
[13:46] <oerheks> dist-upgrade does not bring a new distro, do-release-upgrade does, if available
[13:46] <xbfrog> yes i get that
[13:46] <xbfrog> wasnt my intention to tell him about dist upgrade
[13:47] <xbfrog> ok lemme look bak at the question
[13:48] <xbfrog> the question was: should I upgrade all my packages first?
[13:48] <xbfrog> not distro
[13:48] <ducasse> xbfrog: the general advice is to always be up to date
[13:48] <kari> Apropos is an amazing command btw. Try "apropos upgrade", then man any that tickle your fabcy
[13:49] <xbfrog> yes thats what i thot i said
[13:49] <xbfrog> ok, i guess i should not contribute
[13:49] <xbfrog> just thot i was right
[13:49] <xbfrog> ok got it
[13:55] <Shariff> Hi there
[13:56] <Shariff> What is the use of the 'new' ethernet interface names? What was wrong with eth0, wlan0, etc? :)
[13:58] <oerheks> Shariff, more predictable than eth0/1/2 > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames
[13:58] <lbracher> Hi there! I installed Brave Browser on my Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS box, and shortly after logon,  I always get a popup message saying Brave has crashed (but I didn't call it). I looked on ~/.config/autostart to disable the script that was calling it, but it's empty. Where else Brave could be called? TIA!
[13:59] <Shariff> oerheks: Thanks!
[14:01] <oerheks> lbracher, their forum  gives a fix, remove ~/.cache/BraveSoftware https://community.brave.com/t/browser-keeps-crashing-after-few-minutes-opened/97936/67     -- https://community.brave.com/t/constant-crashes-on-startup-3/106055
[14:08] <Leipajuusto> Hey guys, is this the correct place to ask questions about some technical problems I've been having with my Ubuntu computer? I'm a total newbie when it comes to IRC, so I have no idea where to start...
[14:09] <ducasse> Leipajuusto: ask, and we'll find out :)
[14:10] <mfilipe[m]> Ubuntu:matrix.org is an official ubuntu support channel?
[14:11] <ducasse> mfilipe[m]: not that i've heard, but this is
[14:11] <strywgr> how to find what is causing system freeze? cd/var/log? what to check
[14:12] <ducasse> strywgr: on the next boot try 'journalctl -b -1'
[14:14] <strywgr> ducasse it has so many things init
[14:15] <mfilipe[m]> ducasse: tks :)
[14:15] <ducasse> strywgr: the last few messages should be from the end. also journalctl can filter in many ways, see the man page
[14:17] <ducasse> strywgr: try to add '-p 3' to the journalctl command
[14:18] <strywgr> did and has similar response but a lot of red lines this time
[14:22] <ducasse> can you pastebin the last 10-20 lines?
[14:23] <Leipajuusto> Alright, so, my PC has been unexpectedly shutting down whilst I've been gaming. I don't think it has anything to do with my GPU / CPU temperatures as I've checked them periodically using sensors and nvidia-smi and they've remained in the healthy territory. (CPU: i5-4690k – around 30°C, GPU: GTX 970 – around 60°C) The shutdown leaves no mark
[14:23] <Leipajuusto> in /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log except for a bunch of \00\00\00-characters (in "Text editor", ^@^@ in Vim – i.e. just some illegal characters) that interrupt otherwise unrelated messages. (there is no mark of a controlled shutdown) I've already rollbacked my Nvidia drivers from nvidia-driver-440 to nvidia-driver-430 (that I installed
[14:23] <Leipajuusto> from the official website as the Ubuntu repos would have me install a bunch of 440-related packages even when I tried to install 430 only – do you have any idea how to fix that?) but the issue persists. My question is, therefore, where should I look in order to find out the real cause of the sudden shutdowns (what logs to look into except for
[14:23] <Leipajuusto> those two) and what methods should I try to prevent them?
[14:26] <strywgr> ducasse ; most errors are rtkit-daemon
[14:26] <strywgr> trying to scroll down
[14:32] <strywgr> ducasse: Jul 06 05:36:48 nicholas-HP-ProBook-x360-440-G1 rtkit-daemon[1018]: Failed to make ourselves RT: Operation not permitted
[14:32] <strywgr> its the error at the end
[14:33] <ducasse> that shouldn't cause a freeze
[14:33] <ducasse> you might not have captured the reason for the freeze
[14:36] <strywgr> hmms
[14:37] <strywgr> ducasse i cant copy anything is thr any other way?
[14:38] <ducasse> to do what?
[14:40] <strywgr> find what is causing the freeze
[14:40] <ducasse> not really, you can leave a 'journalctl -f' running and hope it catches the freeze as it happens
[14:41] <strywgr> okay you mean i keep the terminal up and see thn?
[14:41] <ducasse> yeah
[14:43] <strywgr> aright doing it
[14:52] <compact> hey all. was wondering is it possible to SSH into a system where I have a copy of the ssh fingerprint and authorised_key file?
[14:53] <kyle__> compact: You have a local copy of the files that are on the remote server you want to connect to?
[14:54] <compact> yes
[14:54] <kyle__> If that's all you have, then no.  You need the private key that matches the public key.  The authorized_keys file only contains public keys.  The fingerprint is IIRC generated from the public key as well.
[14:55] <rhoks> how do I check the speeds of my wifi card on my laptop?
[14:55] <compact> then openssh authorized_key wich is ssda-rsa xxxx rsa-key-20180101
[14:55] <compact> and ssh-rsa 1024 xxx (finger print)
[14:57] <compact> i also have the private key
[15:00] <kyle__> If you have the private key, either place it in your ~/.ssh/ directory, or ssh-add it to your keychain
[15:01] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[15:01] <oerheks> we have a good wiki
[15:20] <compact> hm rtied adding private key into keychain but I suspect its wrong? its only 20 characters lnog?
[15:21] <leftyfb> that's not the private key
[15:21] <compact> thought so
[15:21] <compact> might just be the passphrase
[15:24] <kyle__> if it's added to the keychain, 'ssh-add -l' will show you which keys are loaded (with a fingerprint)
[15:24] <kyle__> kyle@leela:~$ ssh-add -l
[15:24] <kyle__> 8192 SHA256:5daL1jEYIPDGUwNvsjTUowQ2hhPui1eJVdDO4zAalpo .ssh/id_rsa (RSA)
[15:25] <kyle__> Good way to check if it's loaded.
[15:26] <leftyfb> kyle__: step #1 for him is to find the private key. Not go searching for keys that are loaded
[15:26] <compact> would this 20 character just be a passphrase I guess?
[15:32] <strywgr> ducasse its the same error in the end of the file
[15:32] <strywgr> i mean the command
[15:39] <lbracher> oerheks, thanks!
[15:40] <flying_sausages> heyo, I'm having a hard time playing audio out of a USB sound card I'm plugged into. When I do the gnome-based audio test it plays from my laptop speakers, but when I use `play` to make a synt sound it plays from the usb sound card
[15:41] <flying_sausages> any idea how to get my normal system sound through the USB output even though i already have it selected in Gnome/
[15:41] <flying_sausages> ?
[15:58] <Orcs53_> Hi guys, having some issues with the Ubuntu 20.04 image for Raspberry Pi 3B. I can not get it to boot, shortly after powering on the device I receive an error, an then the device proceeds with other boot options.
[15:58] <Orcs53_> Any ideas?
[15:59] <waveform> Orcs53_, any idea what the error says? You can hit a key for a couple of seconds during boot to interrupt u-boot and keep messages on screen usually
[15:59] <Orcs53_> I have not had this problem with other RPi 3B's using the Ubuntu 20.04 image recently.
[16:00] <Orcs53_> I'll try, seems device also does not respond to the keyboard.
[16:00] <Orcs53_> waveform, One moment.
[16:07] <Orcs53_> Loading Ubuntu (with bootz) from mmc 0:...Unknown command 'bootz' - try 'help'Loading Ubuntu (with booti) from mmc 0:...Linux ARM64 Image magic!SCRIPT FAILED: continuing..."hidden by overscan..." did not respond to voltage select!"hidden by overscan..." e 0: unknown device---Then the device proceeds with other boot options
[16:09] <Orcs53_> Sorry about the formatting, here is a paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xpNkbWQh6W/
[16:09] <waveform> Orcs53_, no prob - hmmm - looks like it fails to jump to the linux kernel for some reason
[16:10] <Orcs53_> Also I note, that sometime earlier, I had the same image working on this specific RPi. I then reimaged the memory card, and I have not been able to get it to work since. I have also since tried reimaging the memory card again.
[16:10] <waveform> Orcs53_, if it's got to that point it's definitely *loaded* (and decompressed) the kernel, but I'm guessing it's corrupt somehow (although that's ... surprising given the decompression evidently worked ...)
[16:10] <waveform> Orcs53_, oh - actually, that's a point - just before those messages do you see "Decompressing" or "Copying kernel"?
[16:11] <waveform> (it should be decompressing, but if the image is corrupt the magic bytes at the beginning won't match and it may try copying instead)
[16:11] <Orcs53_> waveform, One moment, I'll check.
[16:14] <Orcs53_> Loading kernel...; length ???; "hidden by overscan..." 535 bytes read in 12555 ms (22.4MiB/s)
[16:14] <Orcs53_> I can't see if is loading or copying, the text is hidden due to overscan.
[16:15] <waveform> Orcs53_, ah well - any chance you've got a serial cable? (that would make it easy to grab the output)
[16:15] <waveform> Orcs53_, if not don't worry - the next to check would be the vmlinuz image itself. If you can run "file" on that from another machine it should output something like "gzip compressed data"
[16:16] <Orcs53_> I also note, I verified the image after downloading, and I have successfully booted Fedora Workstation 32 since encountering this error.
[16:16] <amuro> Hi, if I only wanna use the convert command, should I install ImageMagick or GraphicMagick?
[16:16] <waveform> Orcs53_, oh - this was straight after flashing the image - no upgrades or anything in between?
[16:17] <amuro> and what is the difference between imagemagick-6.q16 and imagemagick-6.q16hdri?
[16:18] <Orcs53_> waveform, No I don't have serial cable available right now. Yes, I have just reimaged the memory card with the image downloaded from https://ubuntu.com. I've also tried a different memory card, and encountered the same issue.
[16:18] <waveform> Orcs53_, okay - could you point me to the page you downloaded the image from?
[16:22] <Orcs53_> waveform, I downloaded the Ubuntu 20.04 image for RPi 3, specifically ubuntu-20.04-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi.img.xz
[16:25] <waveform> Orcs53_, good stuff (actually as of 19.10 there's no longer pi2/3/4 specific images - they all just link to "the" armhf/arm64 image under the covers) - can I just double-check that the sha256sum on your image is 48167067d65c5192ffe041c9cc4958cb7fcdfd74fa15e1937a47430ed7b9de99 ? (just to make sure I've got the exact same image here)
[16:25] <waveform> oh, that's the sum for the .xz compressed image rather (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/focal/release/SHA256SUMS)
[16:25] <waveform> let me just grab the one for the image...
[16:27] <waveform> Orcs53_, ah here we go: 266e7762f9c0019cd7b0b3e469648a78d5d38eb9a95fc66ed075500895ab0fa5
[16:30] <waveform> Orcs53_, sorry - I have to run for a meeting - will be back later. In the meantime, if you hash *does* match the above you're *probably* dealing with a corrupt SD card unfortunately. You can try "file" on vmlinuz on the system-boot partition but I'd suggest the best course would be to try the image on another SD card (I've currently got that precise image running on a 3B here). If the hash *doesn't* match, you've got a corrupted download, so it's time
[16:30] <waveform>  to grab it again - good luck!
[16:31] <Orcs53_> waveform, Yes these match. No worries, I'll look into the memory cards. Thanks for your help.
[16:39] <dtux> anyone know if webmin has a ui for sharing a scanner?
[16:41] <oerheks> dtux, webmin is not in our repos, for a reason
[16:42] <oerheks> there is #webmin here on #freenode too
[16:42] <dtux> oerheks: is there an alt that is?
[16:43] <oerheks> !cockpit
[16:44] <oerheks> !info cockpit
[16:44] <oerheks> and tons of others, i like this one
[16:45] <designbybeck> Ubuntu 20.04, I want to navigate my activities left and right, not up and down. So with shortcuts CTRL + ALT LFT/RIGH and not CTRL+ALT+UP/DWN
[16:45] <designbybeck> like old school navigation!
[16:46] <dtux> oerheks: thanks! i'll check it out :)
[16:46] <dtux> do you know if it has a ui for sharing a scanner?
[16:52] <IaMnEwHeRe> Hi there
[16:55] <oerheks> dtux, our german friends have a solution; https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SANE-Scanserver_im_Netzwerk/
[16:55] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SaneDaemonTutorial
[16:57] <dtux> oerheks: the debian guide is pretty good too, jw about a web interface.
[16:58] <AWFunTV> IS there someone i can chat with about potentially unsupported packages in focal
[17:05] <coconut> AWFunTV, probably best to ask this in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:05] <AWFunTV> thanks
[17:06] <cow0w> Hi, I have ubuntu mirror which I use offline in a different network, I was wondering- how can I add into that offline mirror some .deb files I've downloaded separately? is it possible?
[17:15] <fallen21> hi
[17:16] <fallen21> anyone active in here?
[17:16] <pavlos> sure, what's the question
[17:18] <fallen21> i just wanna learn about termux github
[17:18] <fallen21> can u help me? or anyone can help?
[17:19] <IaMnEwHeRe> fallen21 you mean tmux?
[17:19] <fallen21> yaps, apps from android termux
[17:20] <IaMnEwHeRe> ok that is s.th. different then
[17:20] <IaMnEwHeRe> tmux has nothing to do with android, sry
[17:21] <fallen21> nice to meet u IaMnEwHeRe
[17:22] <IaMnEwHeRe> likewise
[17:23] <fallen21> can tmux work ? if i try to looking information about android it self?
[17:24] <pavlos> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.termux&hl=en_US
[17:24] <IaMnEwHeRe> fallen21 tmux is a terminal multiplexer, that has nothing to do with android
[17:24] <clichte> Hi all  :)
[17:26] <pavlos> https://termux.com/
[17:26] <fallen21> yes pavlos
[17:27] <pavlos> what more do you want? webiste, adroid info, terminal emulator, bash zsh
[17:27] <IaMnEwHeRe> fallen21, the reason this works and you can apt-get all the stuff you want is because of UML ( not the Diagrams but UserModeLinux)
[17:28] <IaMnEwHeRe> so you can compile the linux-kernel to run atop your regular linux-kernel in user-space
[17:28] <fallen21> i just wanna looking github for testing penetration android it self
[17:28] <fallen21> like wanna get someone picture on his/her gallery & more :D
[17:28] <fallen21> but can termux doing that?
[17:29] <IaMnEwHeRe> oh gods, .... get to know the Android Security-model different Channel, plus UML only has the capabilities of it's spawning process so you are limited there, there are dedicated ROMS out there for that reason
[17:29] <IaMnEwHeRe> ^ purpose
[17:29] <fallen21> ops sorry
[17:29] <fallen21> im go wrong channel :v
[17:30] <IaMnEwHeRe> and FYI, noone will help you commit a crime, regardless of channel
[17:30] <clichte> I'm reading the docs at docker website and they are recommending installing their repo first, but I see that docker.io package in 20.04 is the newest version of docker, wouldn't the packaged version be just fine ?
[17:30] <fallen21> if maybe i do that, but im not do that just only for learn bro.. hehe
[17:31] <IaMnEwHeRe> clichte, I dunno, but I think it depends on the kernel, with newer version you might wanna get newer docker, because of NS capabilities
[17:31] <IaMnEwHeRe> fallen21, yeah right
[17:32] <IaMnEwHeRe> clichte, I also heard that there are some problems with older versions?? when getting images to run, dunno always used the docker one
[17:33] <fallen21> all purpose i want is only for learn & know about this.
[17:33] <clichte> IaMnEwHeRe: right now both the ubuntu and docker versions are the same, 19.03.8
[17:33] <IaMnEwHeRe> fallen21, if you wanna learn, grab a book, all 1337 people start learning by reading books, getting to know and understand the prime principles etc. and they do not swashbuckle and carry an air of swagger
[17:34] <IaMnEwHeRe> it is boring, hard, demanding and you cannot cash out early
[17:34] <clichte> IaMnEwHeRe: I'll just follow the docker guides I guess....thanks
[17:34] <fallen21> maybe im the one wanna learn ottodidac hihi.. ok sorry then for my word. imma out thanks for your information IaMnEwHeRe
[17:34] <IaMnEwHeRe> clichte, yes  in the end it, it will not disrupt your day to day system-operation, as it is the daemon and the cli-command only anyways
[17:35] <AWFunTV> !info isc-dhcp-server
[17:48] <worrelsik> I'm trying to come to terms with the :while modifier for `for`, using pprint in the REPL to look at the generated seqs. Does anybody know why pprint does not always print all elements of a seq on a separate line, as in my third form here: https://pastebin.com/urskuSBn ?
[18:22] <rjwiii> worrelsik: Have you tried asking in #python?
[18:27] <JustTheDoctor> How can i install megatools on ubuntu 14.04?
[18:28] <worrelsik> rjwiii: Aargh, posted in the wrong channel. Thx for pointing that out! It's a clojure question :-)
[18:35] <rjwiii> JustTheDoctor: 14.04 is EOL ...
[18:36] <JustTheDoctor> rjwiii i understand but 14.04 is the version of a server i am running that cant be updated.
[18:36] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: why can't you update it?
[18:36] <JustTheDoctor> it will break certain things i have running, as they have not been updated for the new software.
[18:37] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: ok, then you are stuck where you are with it then. It's not supported here anymore.
[18:37] <JustTheDoctor> anywho i just want to know how i can apt-get install megatools with 14.04 everything i search says to apt-get or apt install megatools and it never works
[18:37] <JustTheDoctor> i cant just add a repo to apt-get to make it work?
[18:37] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: it's not supported anymore
[18:38] <rjwiii> JustTheDoctor: I have the same issue ... I'm still running 14.04 on a box at the moment, too ... You may have to find an older version of what you want to install ...
[18:38] <JustTheDoctor> apt-get still works
[18:38] <JustTheDoctor> i cant just add deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu trusty main restricted universe something like this?
[18:38] <leftyfb> JustTheDoctor: good luck
[18:39] <rjwiii> If it's not in the repos for 14.04, it may not work ... newer repos, even third party, may no longer support 14.04
[18:39] <rjwiii> JustTheDoctor: you can try installing from source ...
[18:40] <JustTheDoctor> i get an error when doing that
[18:42] <JustTheDoctor> ahh ok easily just backed up to a older version
[18:42] <JustTheDoctor> thanks ne ways guys
[19:59] <omnisip> hey guys, I am running a managed service provider and would love to use a high quality management interface for all of the servers I've deployed in customer lans, what would you recommend?
[20:11] <cjdesno> question about 64-bit images for raspi 3+4: i have a raspi 4B and the 20.04 64-bit "raspi 3 and 4" image boots, but the 64-bit 18.04 "raspi 3 and 4" image does not, instead complaining that firmware is too old
[20:12] <oerheks> for the pi4 yes, 18.04 is not suitable
[20:12] <cjdesno> are there any plans to update the 18.04 raspi image to be compatible with the raspi 4? and if not, would somebody consider updating the download page to remove the language indicating that it is compatible?
[20:12] <oerheks> no, i guess not
[20:13] <oerheks> we are happy to have 4 working with 20.04
[20:14] <cjdesno> oerheks: ok, then it might be nice to update the compatibility matrix on this page: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[20:15] <cjdesno> if the incompatibility is not considered a bug and will not be fixed
[20:20] <coconut> isn't this something for #ubuntu-discuss ?
[20:20] <oerheks> i have seen no big issues with 18.04 on pi4?
[20:23] <cjdesno> oerheks: k, i'll just file it into the bug tracker then. i was just from what i had seen, a bit unclear on whether the pi4 was actually intended to be supported on 18.04.
[20:26] <OnkelTem> Hi. All of a sudden my Kubuntu 18.04 has stopped booting. It hangs somewhere in the middle. I'm not at another computer.
[20:27] <OnkelTem> s/not//
[20:27] <sarnold> OnkelTem: try one of the older kernels from the grub menu?
[20:27] <sarnold> OnkelTem: iirc you may need to hold down left shift when booting, or something similar, to get the menu
[20:28] <OnkelTem> sarnold: I tried one - it didn't work. Don't remember the veresion however. Now am trying again...
[20:28] <hl521> Hey, I'm trying to connect to the wifi, but I have a netgear wireless card (Driver rtl8811au), and my distro (Pop OS) isn't loading it. Has anyone got this card to work?
[20:31] <pavlos> hl521: this might help, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1056291/driver-rtl8811au-for-usb-wifi
[20:32] <hl521> pavlos, is this available in any kernel atm?
[20:32] <hl521> or linux-firmware by chance?
[20:33] <oerheks> one must have a reason to run pop_os, sytem76 hardware..
[20:34] <hl521> oerheks, or not wanting to run anything canonical
[20:34] <pavlos> hl521: read the comments, some address kernel 5, some previous kernels, try the zebulon git first or 'sudo apt install rtl8812au-dkms'
[20:34] <hl521> tracking stby
[20:34] <oerheks> could well be, so we do not support derivates and forks
[20:34] <hl521> yeah i already have that installed
[20:35] <hl521> interesting, I couldn't find the pop os channel though
[20:35] <oerheks> try #system76 ?
[20:35] <quadrathoch2> how does somebody want to not run stuff from canonical and then uses a distro which is basically canonical built (minus like 10 packages) *shaking my head*
[20:37] <hl521> try not to get toxic like the arch irc
[21:19] <Kiwis> mirrors having issues ?
[21:22] <sarnold> Kiwis: you're the first I've seen to suggest there's problems
[21:23] <Kiwis> sarnold someone needs to be the first. fr.archive works, archive. doesn't respond
[21:23] <Kiwis> checking docker network to make sure
[21:24] <Kiwis> aha I know
[21:25] <pavlos> ping fr.archive.ubuntu.com responds
[21:26] <Kiwis> I said .fr respond ;)
[21:26] <Kiwis> But I flushed iptables with docker :S
[21:26] <Kiwis> those use archive.
[21:28] <Kiwis> ok, when I did a iptables --flush what is the best way to get the defaults back where it boots with ?
[22:00] <cgundersson> brew upgrade
[22:29] <birdman007> im trying to use a flash drive to boot into win10, my laptop isn't recognizing it, is there anyway to troubleshoot this?
[22:30] <birdman007> it's formated as exfat with gpt partition table
[22:31] <oerheks> birdman007, not an ubuntu support issue, try ##windows?
[22:32] <Heyoka> birdman007, https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#1-overview
[22:35] <oerheks> Heyoka, good point, after installing windows, to change back to ubuntu :-P
[22:36] <FakuVe> Hi guys, How can I remove a program that is not shown in dpkg --list ? but is in /bin/
[22:37] <oerheks> FakuVe, what program exactly?
[22:37] <MikeRL> So after a recent network-manager update on Focal, my WiFi seems to have broken on my laptop. Worked fine for countless other Ubuntu releases on this machine. Is this a known issue?
[22:37] <FakuVe> oerheks: /bin/st
[22:38] <MikeRL> Laptop model is HP Envy M7-N101DX for reference.
[22:38] <MikeRL> At least the seemingly random disconnects are recent, specific to Linux (I dual boot) and network-manager was recently upgraded in the past week or so.
[22:39] <FakuVe> or no sorry is in /usr/local/bin/st
[22:39] <jeremy31> MikeRL: what wifi device?
[22:39] <MikeRL> Um.
[22:39] <MikeRL> Maybe I need to look it up.
[22:39] <FakuVe> oerheks: its weird cause it made two copies , it make a /bin/stterm (which showed up on dpkg --list) and the ohter was thisone in /usr/local/bin/st
[22:41] <MikeRL> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2nndv2fZ5z/
[22:41] <MikeRL> Hopefully that is the correct command. I upgraded the network-manager package on MATE on the Pi 4 (desktopify) and no issues there.
[22:41] <oerheks> FakuVe, i see, that is odd https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/stterm/filelist
[22:43] <MikeRL> Now, as for the nature of it, it just seems to drop when updating/upgrading packages or browsing the web or whatever. I can reconnect without reboot.
[22:43] <FakuVe> oerheks: shall I rm them manualy?
[22:43] <oerheks> is this cinnamon?
[22:43] <MikeRL> I have some a GNOME shell extension installed that lets me disconnect from WiFi. It adds a button. But given the timing I don't think that's the cause.
[22:44] <oerheks> all i find; " on Debian and Ubuntu based systems, st is packaged as stterm."
[22:45] <FakuVe> oerheks: basicaly I downloaded a .tar.gz and compiled it , I don't exactly know what they install
[22:45] <jeremy31> MikeRL: in terminal>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf && systemctl restart network-manager.service
[22:45] <FakuVe> oerheks: I just want to know how to act in this cases
[22:46] <jeremy31> MikeRL: that should keep wifi power management off, seems to work better on Intel devices
[22:46] <MikeRL> jeremy31, Does that disable powersave and restart the networking?
[22:46] <MikeRL> I already typed, sorry.
[22:46] <jeremy31> MikeRL: yes
[22:46] <FakuVe> oerheks: If there is a /bin/ that is not shown on dpkg --list then I should check the documentation and remove manualy?
[22:46] <MikeRL> jeremy31, Is this a new bug? I only noticed it after a recent update a week or so ago.
[22:47] <jeremy31> MikeRL: It can happen anytime from what I see on the forums
[22:47] <MikeRL> Well, for me that update seemed to set something off on this machine with this card.
[22:48] <MikeRL> Does that command stop it most of the time, or just infrequently? How effective is it?
[22:48] <jeremy31> MikeRL: it has worked well for most
[22:49] <MikeRL> jeremy31, Thanks. I will report back here and file a bug if one doesn't exist yet if it happens again.
[22:50] <MikeRL> jeremy31, As I seem to be able to pinpoint it to a package upgrade with a particular card.
[22:50] <jeremy31> MikeRL: good
[22:50] <MikeRL> I've literally never had an issue with it disconnecting WiFi period until that upgrade. Now it's every other or three days a disconnect.
[22:51] <MikeRL> Good thing this channel is logged.
[22:52] <jeremy31> MikeRL: you might need to use>  echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=8" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi-opt.conf
[22:52] <MikeRL> Will help. That paste contains the network card and the offending version is 1.22.10-1ubuntu2.1 (focal-updates) I believe.
[22:54] <MikeRL> I'm on the kernel is ships with, too. I first suspected get rid of any customizations like the more upstream kernel I was using. But it disconnected after purging that and rebooting. So it cannot be related.
[22:54] <MikeRL> Nothing else I can think of set it off besides that network-manager package.
[22:55] <jeremy31> MikeRL: If it doesn't get fixed, post on ubuntuforums.org and see if anyone else has any ideas
[22:56] <MikeRL> I have ran both commands for good measure.
[22:58] <oerheks> FakuVe, one could try, move it to an other location.
[22:58] <oerheks> or you could check the build log
[23:17] <RonWhoCares> I am trying to migrate my Ubuntu 20.04 installation onto a pair of SSD's setup with RAID1.  I created a 2GB "boot" partition and then the rest of the SSD is for Ubuntu.  I set the UUID's in /etc/fstab .  Is there somewhere within the /boot/efi that I need to specify the RAID1 UUID ?
[23:37] <anus> folks why is ffmpeg not included by default in ubuntu 16.04lts?
[23:38] <sarnold> anus: ffmpeg is in universe; do you need to enable the universe pocket on your system?
[23:39] <anus> no i am already doing everything manualy thanks i just wanted to read rational behind 16.04lts installing firefox by default but lacking ffmpeg
[23:39] <anus> its like giving someone a vehicle without a key
[23:39] <anus> you can sit inside and enjoy the radio but if you want to expirience the driving you need a key
[23:40] <anus> there is not much one can see without ffmpeg...
[23:43] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:56] <anus> i would like to file official complain and ask for ffmpeg to be included with install so our beloved firefox can work right after install of ubuntu
[23:56] <anus> do you folks think you could include ffmpeg with ubuntu image install?


[02:42] <mup> Bug #1598656 opened: snapd doesn't close connection on 400 bad request response <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598656>
[02:48] <mup> Bug #1598657 opened: No error id for username/password error returned from snapd <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598657>
[03:27] <mup> Bug #1598667 opened: No snapd API for account registration / password reset <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598667>
[06:47] <dholbach> hiya
[06:52] <didrocks> good morning dholbach!
[06:52] <dholbach> slaut didrocks
[06:52] <didrocks> how was your week-end? :)
[06:53] <dholbach> very nice - we were at a wedding in South Tyrol and I'm working from Bavaria today
[06:53] <dholbach> how was yours?
[06:53] <didrocks> dholbach: oh, sounds great! :)
[06:53] <didrocks> mine was nice as well, didn't really do a lot due to Saturday's weather, but brough Julie's painting to prepare for her expo this week in city center
[06:54] <dholbach> oh wow
[08:34] <timothy> 'morning
[08:45] <ogra_> popey, yo ... do you have any contact to brian douglass ? could we get him to rename "snappy app" to just be "snap" in uappexplorer ?
[08:45] <popey> he's on telegram
[08:46] <popey> you in the apps group? he's @bhdouglas I think
[08:46] <ogra_> nope, only ubuntu device outsiders
[08:46] <popey> also, the code is on github, do a pull request and he'll love you more, he's US so on holiday, busy throwing tea into the harbour
[08:46] <ogra_> ah, post brexit work ... k
[08:47] <ogra_> i'll take a look at the code and  do a pull request
[08:48] <ogra_> geez ... thats irritating
[08:48]  * ogra_ has lots of bugmail fom someone calling himself "Your Mom
[08:48] <ogra_> "
[08:48] <ogra_> and itr is all serious stuff
[08:49] <ogra_> tsk
[09:24] <iliv> didrocks, thanks for you replies on AskUbuntu. Much appreciated. Although, I have to admit I found them frustrating :)
[09:24] <didrocks> iliv: sorry for this! But things are in progress and it will come down in due time. At least, you have ways to handle your services with those advice meanwhile :)
[09:25] <didrocks> (I still think the layer config approach though is the best)
[09:30] <iliv> I'm still not sure how one can put a configuration file into say $SNAP_DATA, which I understand is a system-wide area where applications (snaps) can store their data? I tried the copy: plugin but it doesn't expand $SNAP_DATA and treats it literally as a string. Is creating a wrapper script that ...
[09:30] <iliv> ... checks if a file exists in $SNAP_DATA, and if it doesn't, copies it over from say $SNAP/configs directory every time when a snap package is mounted/maid available to a system?
[09:32] <didrocks> you won't be able to ship anything at build/install time to $SNAP_DATA. So yeah, creating a wrapper script is one way, having your daemon supporting a layer approach is even better IMHO, but that's up to you :)
[09:34] <iliv> sorry if I'm being too dense, but what is this layer approach exactly that you referred multiple times already?
[09:34] <didrocks> ah, it's the idea that you have this configuration file at multiple level
[09:34] <didrocks> so:
[09:34] <didrocks> - user
[09:34] <didrocks> - system (global)
[09:34] <didrocks> - default
[09:35] <didrocks> you can find the same config file at any level
[09:35] <didrocks> user is $SNAP_USER_DATA, system is $SNAP_DATA and default is $SNAP
[09:35] <didrocks> then, if you find common keys, you always prefer the layer "up" (closer to personal configuration) than the default one
[09:35] <didrocks> for the same key = value pair
[09:41] <iliv> okay, I see. it is something that the application itself should be capable of. however, I do not understand how this is going to help with creating a system-wide configuration file upon install of the package? It's still either creating a wrapper script or putting the burden of creating the ...
[09:41] <iliv> ... configuration file on the end user. Or ... ?
[09:42] <iliv> Having read-only configuration files that reside in $SNAP makes almost no sense. I figure few applications and users wouldn't want to modify a program's configuration file.
[09:42] <didrocks> yeah, if you application isn't capable of that, the wrapper script doing what you told is totally makes sense
[09:42] <didrocks> iliv: it does, it's the default
[09:42] <didrocks> better to have them exported in the same flat file than hardcoded in the app :)
[09:43] <didrocks> but again, if you aren't in controlled of this app code, the wrapper is a good way to handle this
[09:44] <iliv> well, yes, better than hardcoded but if it is read-only it's essentially hardcoded. in a sense that a user/administrator cannot modify any seetings and thus the end result is essentially the same.
[09:45] <iliv> > but again, if you aren't in controlled of this app code, the wrapper is a good way to handle this // here's the thing. there's a ton of software out there that if attempted to be packaged will face this basic problem of wanting to install configuration and other files outside of $SNAP into at ...
[09:45] <iliv> ... least $SNAP_DATA.
[09:45] <iliv> modifying all that massive array of software is pretty much impossible
[09:46] <didrocks> on hardcoded -> yeah, it's in RO, but you have the config format to be readable by the admin to know what options are supported and so on
[09:47] <didrocks> and as a developer, you know that there is no discrepancy between default options and options that are overrideable in the config
[09:47] <didrocks> on the wrapper -> yeah, that's what we have this wrapper approach in quite some snaps, to cope with real world, as you say
[09:47] <didrocks> however, if upstream starts to adopt snaps, they will maybe then reconsider and follow best practices like this layered approach to manage config :)
[09:48] <didrocks> (but as an intermediate step, wrapper script it is! :))
[10:06] <iliv> I see
[10:07] <iliv> well, guess I will have to figure out how to do this with a wrapper script
[10:08] <iliv> :)
[10:11] <didrocks> iliv: if you need any help or need review, do not hesitate! :)
[10:11] <didrocks> it's basically a if [ ! -f $SNAP_DATA/config ]; then cp $SNAP/config; fi
[10:23] <zyga> o/
[10:23] <didrocks> hey zyga
[10:41] <ogra_> didrocks, geez, so much overhead ... [ -e "$SNAP_DATA/config" ] || cp $SNAP/config $SNAP_DATA/config
[10:41] <ogra_> (lots faster than invoking the "if" )
[12:24] <didrocks> ogra_: I wouldn't say "faster", but shorter yeah
[12:24] <ogra_> didrocks, debian did researches of that ... if is always the slowest ...
[12:24] <didrocks> ogra_: interesting
[12:25] <ogra_> case is faster ... just using a condition with "test" is slower than case but faster than if
[12:25] <didrocks> but TBH, when you need a wrapper script, I doubt the fact to have a if vs [] is the real issue :p
[12:25] <ogra_> well, depends how big your wrapper is ... after all it is your apps startup time
[12:26] <ogra_> especially for some test that is run on every startup ...
[12:26] <didrocks> ogra_: when you need to spaw a process for this and then exec, yeah, I bet this is the impact
[12:27] <ogra_> (but yeah, we talk about milliseconds indeed)
[12:27] <didrocks> (knowing that you had 3 wrappers chained up before already :p)
[12:28]  * ogra_ ponders if he should push his latest two snaps to snappy-playpen
[12:42] <niemeyer> Hello snapcrafters
[13:33] <sergiusens> good morning
[13:36] <zyga> hey sergiusens, how are you
[13:40] <sergiusens> zyga doing fine, risked it and came to a coffee shop with just my tablet
[13:40] <sergiusens> zyga so no #snappy-devel telegram avail to me :-P
[13:40] <sergiusens> zyga how was your weekend?
[13:40]  * sergiusens has been handcrafting around the house instead of snapcrafting ;-)
[13:59] <popey> didrocks: that reviewable is painful to use.
[13:59] <zyga> sergiusens: busy, my son turned crazy on making plane models
[13:59] <zyga> sergiusens: we bought lots of small pieces of wood and various tools
[14:00] <zyga> sergiusens: he's remaking the plane model from "porco rosso"
[14:00] <morphis> if I've put a snap into the edge channel of the store should I see it with `snap find`?
[14:00] <didrocks> popey: do you find it so? dholbach and I really liked it for tracking feedback and not losing any remark while doing a second or third review
[14:00] <zyga> morphis: I'm not sure
[14:01] <popey> didrocks: i fail to see how I submit comments
[14:01] <morphis> zyga: but a snap install --channel=edge tpm` should work, right?
[14:01] <didrocks> popey: you are in the reviewable interface?
[14:02] <didrocks> in it you add all your comments, answer to what you want
[14:02] <didrocks> and then hit "publish"
[14:02] <didrocks> to publish all them at the same time
[14:03] <popey> hm
[14:03] <popey> maybe that worked?
[14:03] <zyga> morphis: I think that shoud work, yes
[14:03] <morphis> hm
[14:05] <didrocks> let me look
[14:05] <didrocks> popey: yes, it did! :)
[14:38] <morphis> zyga: who can I ask about the edge channel thing?
[14:38] <ogra_> which "thing" ?
[14:39] <ogra_> morphis, ah, --channel only works with the snapd in proposed
[14:39] <morphis> ogra_: ah :-)
[14:39] <morphis> good to know
[14:40] <morphis> ogra_: do you know when that will land?
[14:40] <zyga> morphis: perhaps Chipaca
[14:40] <zyga> ah :)
[14:40] <ogra_> morphis, well, bug 1592696 indocates it might need additional work, not sure if zyga or mvo saw that
[14:40] <mup> Bug #1592696: snaps dont work with encrypted home: failed to create user data directory. errmsg: Permission denied <amd64> <apport-bug> <xenial> <snapd (Ubuntu):Invalid> <ubuntu-core-launcher (Ubuntu):Fix Released by jdstrand> <snapd (Ubuntu Xenial):New> <ubuntu-core-launcher (Ubuntu
[14:40] <mup> Xenial):Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592696>
[14:40] <zyga> ogra_: you mean 2.0.10
[14:40] <ogra_> zyga, whatever is in -proposed atm
[14:41] <morphis> ogra_: sure you linked the correct bug?
[14:41] <ogra_> yes
[14:41] <ogra_> snapd takes over ubuntu-core-launcher ... see pitti's last comment
[14:42] <ogra_> or rather snap-confine does
[14:43] <ogra_> not sure whats needed there ... probably bribing with icecream is enough ;)
[14:44] <morphis> :-)
[14:45] <zyga> ogra_: hmm?
[14:45] <ogra_> zyga, see the bug above
[14:45] <ogra_> last comments
[14:46] <zyga> ah
[14:46]  * zyga looks
[14:46] <zyga> sorry I didn't see that
[14:46] <ogra_> seems he wants some extra paperwork and tests
[15:32] <morphis> ogra_: so snap 2.0.10 didn't help with installing snaps which are just in the edge channel
[15:33] <ogra_> hmm, it definitely helped here
[15:33] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~$ dpkg -l snapd|grep ii
[15:33] <ogra_> ii  snapd          2.0.10       amd64        Tool to interact with Ubuntu Core Snappy.
[15:34] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~$ sudo snap install gitter --channel=edge --devmode
[15:34] <ogra_> 89.16 MB / 89.16 MB [[15:34] <ogra_> Name    Version  Rev  Developer  Notes
[15:34] <ogra_> gitter  3.0.3-1  1    ogra       devmode
[15:34] <ogra_> works fine for me
[15:35] <morphis> ogra_: try snap install tpm --devmode=edge
[15:35] <morphis> --channel=edge I mean :-)
[15:35] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~$ sudo snap install tpm --channel=edge --devmode
[15:35] <ogra_> 1.14 MB / 1.14 MB [[15:35] <ogra_> Name  Version  Rev  Developer  Notes
[15:35] <ogra_> tpm   1.2-1    1    canonical  devmode
[15:35] <morphis> ogra_: ah
[15:35] <morphis> --devmode seems to be the key
[15:36] <ogra_> i think i also did a reboot after upgrading snapd
[15:36] <morphis> but "snap not found" is a misleading error message in that case
[15:36] <morphis> ogra_: worked now with --channel=edge --devmode
[15:36] <ogra_> good
[15:36] <ogra_> yeah, the error sounds liek a bug
[15:37] <morphis> ogra_: let me file one
[15:37] <ogra_> +1
[15:40] <morphis> ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1598886
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1598886: Misleading error message when trying to install unconfined snaps from the edge channel <snapd (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598886>
[15:40] <ogra_> confirmed
[16:12] <gouchi_> hi
[16:12] <gouchi_> is it plan to add this interfaces .
[16:12] <gouchi_> ?
[16:12] <gouchi_> http://www.hastebin.com/ixuyuduxaz.vhdl
[16:13] <gouchi_>  /dev/dri/card0 and /dev/dri/renderD128
[16:49] <sergiusens> elopio mind looking at https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/623 ?
[16:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#623: Proper message when registering an already registered snap <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/623>
[16:50] <ogra_> gouchi_, i would have thought it is part of the opengl interface ... though perhaps /dev/dri/renderD128 is to specific, i guess zyga could tell you if he was around
[16:59] <gouchi_> ogra_: thank you
[17:07] <elopio> sergiusens: I am not totally happy with that error URL.
[17:08] <sergiusens> elopio I am thinking of removing it fwiw
[17:09] <sergiusens> elopio it is not the right one
[17:09] <sergiusens> elopio or the url itself?
[17:10] <elopio> sergiusens: we could change the error message, or the store could change the url it returns. I would prefer the URL change.
[17:11] <sergiusens> elopio well that won't happen soon
[17:14] <elopio> sergiusens: so the message could be: go to this url for more instructions.
[17:18] <sergiusens> elopio oh, the message is spec'ed, can't change the text
[17:19] <elopio> sergiusens: and replacing the url wouldn't be good. So I'm ok with the message not being totally accurate until the store fixes the bug.
[17:54] <sergiusens> joc_ mind clicking on update branch for https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/614 (there's an example's test error and I cannot see it as it seems it got round robinned out)
[17:54] <mup> PR snapcraft#614: python3: use --root instead of --target <Created by jocave> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/614>
[19:08] <mup> PR # changed: snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495, snapcraft#495
[19:08] <mup> PR # created: snapcraft#596, snapcraft#593, snapcraft#589, snapcraft#579, snapcraft#571, snapcraft#570, snapcraft#568, snapcraft#550, snapcraft#510, snapcraft#495
[19:12] <ehbello> hello, somebody can tell me how to define the 'uboot.env.in' file to build a 'uboot.env' file suitable to snapcraft to build a gadget snap?
[19:13] <ehbello> I can see some examples at lp:~snappy-hub/snappy-systems but I can't guess what I need for my gadget
[19:26] <niemeyer> ehbello: These details are not quite finalized yet.. it'll take a few more weeks before we have a proper specification for it
[19:32] <ehbello> niemeyer: I don't understand that... I mean, if there is not a proper specification for it, why are there devices as beagleblack or pi2 with this file in its snap? are not uboot.env related with uboot directly?
[19:33] <ehbello> niemeyer: I know that uboot.env is built with mkenvimage tool but I don't know what to put in uboot.env.in
[19:36] <niemeyer> ehbello: My apologies for that as I know it is a bit confusing indeed.. the whole tooling around snaps (snapd, snapcraft, etc) changed in a major way in the last few months, for the better.. for most of that time we focused on getting tools right without direct in-device development.
[19:36] <niemeyer> ehbello: So the images you will find around are either 15.04 images, or half-baked 16.04 ones that were never actually released as they're not yet ready
[19:37] <niemeyer> ehbello: If you're using 15.04, I'm sure other people in the channel will be able to give you a hand, but keep it mind that a lot of what we talk about here won't apply there
[19:44] <ehbello> niemeyer: I'm working on ubuntu 16.04 edge images generated with latest branch of ubuntu-device-flash from 'mvo' in LP and I have a partial gagdet snap... I think the only thing missing is the uboot.env file for an armhf gadget to get everything working properly :)
[19:46] <niemeyer> ehbello: That's great, glad to see the in-development code being put to test and actually working :)
[19:46] <niemeyer> ehbello: Just note it may actually break due to incompatible changes (IOW, good to play with, not good for real devices yet)
[19:47] <sergiusens> elopio help! https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/snapcraft/jobs/142285265
[19:54] <ehbello> niemeyer: I know, but I prefer to develop on an edge platform rather than a version that will becomes obsolete soon :P
[19:55] <ehbello> (sorry if I write bad english. I'm spanish :)
[19:56] <niemeyer> ehbello: Yeah, that's a good plan
[19:56] <elopio> sergiusens: my branch added -d, so when checking errors in integration, between that "Registering ..." message and "The name \'test-already-registered-snap-name\' is already taken", there is a trace
[19:57] <niemeyer> ehbello: Your English seems prefect.. I'm not a native speaker either
[19:57] <sergiusens> elopio but the register failed does a subprocess checkcall all on its own
[19:57] <elopio> sergiusens: there is no need to check the first part in the message, IMO. So I would do: assertThat(output, EndsWith(The name \'test-already-registered-snap-name\' is already ...))
[20:01] <sergiusens> elopio oh, nvm
[20:01] <sergiusens> elopio now I guess my branch will fail in integration ;-)
[20:02] <elopio> sergiusens: nop. I've just registered that name in staging. Actually, there's no need for anything we discussed in the standup.
[20:02] <elopio> with the hardcoded name and the right values in the database, it works and it's simple.
[20:02] <sergiusens> elopio don't I need to use the sleeper command though?
[20:03] <sergiusens> just switched to it just in case
[20:04] <elopio> sergiusens: yes, the sleep might be missing there. I'm not sure if the store blocks also when the registration failed, but it's likely.
[20:09] <mup> PR snapd#1475 changed: integration-tests: drop already covered refresh app test <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1475>
[20:20] <mup> PR snapd#1479 changed: change API of snapstate.Get() to return a snapstate.SnapState <Created by mvo5> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/1479>
[20:27] <sergiusens> elopio in any case this will fail integration tests; the expected message's claim url will be wrong
[20:31] <mup> PR snapcraft#629 opened: Bugfix/1598932/reserved name <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/629>
[20:35] <sergiusens> there, fixed
[21:25] <sergiusens> elopio for snapcraft#630 I would like to use MatchesRegex for an integration test and failing badly
[21:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#630: Report a nice error when registering too fast <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/630>
[21:25] <mup> PR snapcraft#630 opened: Report a nice error when registering too fast <Created by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/630>
[22:16] <elopio> sergiusens: we have an example of matchesregex in snaps_tests/__init__.py
[22:16] <elopio> what's failing for you?
[22:48] <sergiusens> elopio ah, the testtool docs did not mention I could pass re flags
[22:49] <sergiusens> elopio care to look at 623 one more time, same for 629; btw I cannot login to staging to see if that last int test would work
[23:23] <mup> Bug #1574586 opened: Not able to review snaps <Snappy:New> <gnome-software (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1574586>
[23:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#623 changed: Proper message when registering an already registered snap <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/623>


[00:00] <gnomefreak> they have to change code anyway since rc1 should say that in help and on top panel
[00:00] <gnomefreak> so in theory the code is gonna change anyway
[00:01] <gnomefreak> weather they call it final or rc2 noone knows until they do it
[00:01] <gnomefreak> but i agree 100% that bug is  a blocker
[00:02] <gnomefreak> ok rc1 is gonna be blessed final as in it wont be branded as rc
[00:03] <gnomefreak> i think that is where the original post came from
[00:03] <gnomefreak> so they were just talking within the build being branded as final :)
[00:05] <gnomefreak> ok back to work around here so i can get to sleep tonight
[01:43] <danage> hello! you will hate this question, but is there an ETA to fix flash?
[07:26] <futtta> morning all
[07:31] <futtta> quick question: i noticed ff3b5 in hardy is faster then ff3rc1 from mozilla in the sunspider tests. is this because the hardy ff3b5 has been optimized?
[07:34] <futtta> no-one awaky? :)
[07:35] <futtta> awake that is
[08:05] <asac> futtta: it is?
[08:05] <asac> interesting
[08:05] <asac> maybe its because b5 still used jemalloc
[08:13] <mconnor> we turned off jemalloc on Linux?
[08:13] <futtta> back
[08:14] <futtta> asac; yep, according to a quick-and-dirty test i did anyhow
[08:14] <futtta> cfr. http://blog.futtta.be/2008/05/19/firefox-3rc1-shines-in-javascript-benchmark/
[08:14] <mconnor> hmm
[08:14] <mconnor> oh
[08:14] <mconnor> asac: what' gcc are you guys shipping?
[08:15] <mconnor> 4.3 is supposed to be about 10% faster than the 4.1 we're using
[08:16] <mconnor> futtta: about:buildconfig in b5?
[08:17] <asac> mconnor: not sure if you turned jemalloc off ... at least its not linked statically into libxul anymore
[08:17] <mconnor> oh, didn't we fix that for you guys?
[08:17] <asac> right. but in b5 we still kept it enabled
[08:17] <asac> well .. at that point it was still linked in
[08:18] <asac> in hardy we have gcc (GCC) 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)
[08:18] <asac> in intrepid (current development) its 4.3
[08:18] <mconnor> hmm
[08:18] <mconnor> that's still going to be faster
[08:18] <mconnor> 4.1 kinda sucked
[08:19] <asac> yes. afaik ew somewhat skipped 4.1
[08:21] <asac> futtta: could you try the preview of RC1 we have in https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive to see if the performance gap is gone?
[08:21] <futtta> mconnor: i'm at work now, but i'll reboot into ubuntu later today to check about:buildconfig
[08:21] <futtta> asac: same, i'll check that later today
[08:21] <asac> thanks
[08:22] <asac> let us know
[08:22] <fta> we have issues with mozilla tools built with gcc 4.3 in intrepid. See the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags
[08:23] <asac> yeah .... but those compiler flags were added by ubuntu to improve security mostly
[08:24] <mconnor> futtta: its ok, 4.2.3 would explain it
[08:24] <fta> asac, yet it shows issues either in xul or in libc
[08:24] <asac> right
[08:25] <asac> i guess we should get a backtrace with debug symbols from it
[08:25] <mconnor> if there's an upstream bug, bsmedberg is pretty decent about fixing stuff like that
[08:25] <fta> those are aborts, not crashes
[08:26] <asac> right
[08:26] <asac> buffer overflow ;)
[08:26] <mconnor> and, really, one wonders if we should use those flags ourselves
[08:26] <fta> the 1st abort has a decent trace, the other aborts had corrupted stacks
[08:26] <mconnor> but I don't know how well supported they are
[08:27] <asac> mconnor: i can try to get our security guy in contact with you ... or with whoever is best suiteable to discuss this
[08:27] <asac> s/try//
[08:44] <futtta> some people seem to be arriving on my blog when searching for 'ubuntu firefox 3rc1' in google, what are the plans on pushing rc1 to hardy-users?
[08:44] <asac> futtta: working on it .... takes quite a bit of QA to do this transition obviously
[08:46] <futtta> that makes sense :)
[08:47] <asac> futtta: basically the ffox and xul bits are ready, but we still need to transition some rdepends as it breaks ABI and translations
[08:47] <wgrant> asac: Are fta's the most officially blessed packages? I might as well upgrade and try to break things.
[08:47] <wgrant> asac: Oh dear, please don't tell me xulrunner broke ABI....
[08:47] <asac> wgrant: we dont really encourage to use them if you are not a developer
[08:48] <asac> but otherwise yes. those are more or less the most officially blessed packages we have from the mozillateam that track the trunk
[08:48] <wgrant> I was in ~motu last time I checked. Or do you mean Mozilla devs?
[08:51] <asac> wgrant: no thats fine. just remember to check here if you see wierd things
[08:51] <asac> ok  moving to another room
[08:52] <wgrant> asac: Of course.
[08:59] <[reed]> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434592
[09:03] <wgrant> The AwesomeBar seems faster.
[09:05] <mconnor> wgrant: it probably is
[09:06] <mconnor> also, breaking ABI between beta and final, well...
[09:24] <e-gandalf> hi
[09:30] <e-gandalf> [reed]: ping
[09:31] <[reed]> e-gandalf: pong
[09:31] <e-gandalf> will you help me write a short summary of the SSO idea for weave team?
[09:32] <[reed]> for .moz or ubuntu.net stuff?
[09:33] <e-gandalf> yea
[09:36] <e-gandalf> and if you're attending the mozilla upstream talk?
[09:36] <e-gandalf> I could you some help here too
[09:43] <[reed]> e-gandalf: yeah, I'm in the Mozilla upstream talk
[09:43] <[reed]> if you have questions for your current talk, you can ask here, and I can try to answer
[09:44] <e-gandalf> well, I'm just planning to write up a short summary of each talk for our team
[09:44] <e-gandalf> what was there important for Mozilla, what have we learnt
[09:44] <e-gandalf> etc
[09:44] <e-gandalf> I'm in the SSO talk right now
[09:44] <e-gandalf> but it's not too active I must say
[09:44] <e-gandalf> they probably discussed it yesterday
[09:45] <[reed]> yeah
[09:46] <[reed]> two hour talk


[20:57]  * Dave_Hunt wonders if the insaller for the daily build of the GNOME Shell remix will be accessible as of Oct 10?
[20:57] <Dave_Hunt> installer.
[21:06] <TheMuso> Dave_Hunt: The Oct 10 build should work properly, the problem was found, and a work-around was uploaded.
[21:09] <Dave_Hunt> Glad to hear that, TheMuso Are GNOME Remix and standard built by same process?
[21:30] <TheMuso> Dave_Hunt: I believe so, yes.