[01:33] <mup> PR snapcraft#944 closed: Release changelog for 2.23 <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/944>
[07:11] <mup> PR snapd#2403 opened: store: fix unhandled error from io.Copy() in download() <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2403>
[09:53] <madprops__> very excited about snap
[09:53] <madprops__> still dont understand it fully
[09:54] <madprops__> thinking about what would happen with big applications like DEs
[09:54] <madprops__> im guessing some of it will be global ... but temporarily?
[09:55] <madprops__> will it be snap and the normal global system in conjunction
[09:55] <madprops__> or will everything be snap
[09:55] <madprops__> i wonder
[09:56] <madprops__> but giving applications its jar and water to live is an idea ive always thought why it was not being implemented
[09:56] <madprops__> idk
[19:15] <madprops> I saw a question that made me wonder, maybe someone can explain it to me "How do I verify that all 300 copies of libgnutls.so are patched and protected against the latest vulnerabilities?"
[19:28] <ali1234> madprops: there is no good answer to that question, in the general sense. it has always been a problem for any type of app bundling
[19:29] <ali1234> for highly important libraries involving encryption etc there will be platform snaps which will provide library sharing
[19:30] <ali1234> and of course the core platform
[19:30] <ali1234> but you can still get bitten by something obscure
[19:32] <madprops> that's what i feared
[19:36] <madprops> makes me think, this among other things, that maybe "snapifying" a system maybe not the way to go .. except for certain cases
[19:36] <madprops> like video games make sense
[19:36] <madprops> but at the same time you can have something like steam
[19:45] <madprops> but on the other hand it does have some benefits, like less prone to dependency hell and quicker updates
[19:57] <qengho> madprops: I expect there will be a kind of scanner for out of date dependencies in packages, and shame as the major motivator for people to fix their bugs.
[19:59] <qengho> madprops: The great thing about snaps is that a broken package can only harm the things it is allowed touch, which is not very much -- pretty much only what it makes.
[20:01] <qengho> madprops: As always, you have to trust the person who makes the code. With snaps, there is no third person (a packager) who has to care enough also.
[20:06] <madprops> qengho, how do snap hosting works? do developers make a snap and publish it in some centralized server or they host it themselves?
[20:09] <qengho> madprops: There are central hosts, stores.
[20:09] <qengho> madprops: Your "snap" system has one in mind when you install.
[20:10] <qengho> madprops: And your machine ensures everything is up to date by checking its store every so often.
[20:10] <madprops> who mantains these stores monetarily?
[20:12] <qengho> madprops: You, if you develop a snap-using OS. Ubuntu has one. Probably others.
[20:12] <qengho> I use Ubuntu Core, so my machines ask Ubuntu's store.
[20:15] <qengho> I also upload a few packages to Ubuntu's store. I push to a Launchpad branch and it deposits compiled packages (for four architectures!) into my snap-package's Proposed channel in a few minutes. I make sure it looks right and then promote it to Stable channel in the store.
[20:15] <qengho> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/
[20:19] <madprops> nice
[20:20] <ali1234> what architectures do you build for?
[20:20] <ali1234> can snapcraft do cross-builds yet?
[20:22] <qengho> ali1234: Some parts have cross-build support, but not all. Some will be tricky. I build for x86, amd64, armhf, & amr64
[20:23] <qengho> ali1234: Now that there's a virtual-machine build process, I suspect the built-in cross-build will die and we'll just emulate the other arch and run "native" there.
[20:23] <qengho> But I don't know a lot of that.
[20:24] <ali1234> i find the launchpad workflow too slow for development
[20:25] <ali1234> it would probably be okay once i actually get things working
[20:26] <qengho> Yeah, Launchpad isn't your development environment.
[20:26] <ali1234> yeah... unfortunately my target is raspberry pi
[20:26] <ali1234> so native builds are even slowed
[20:28] <qengho> ali1234: "snapcraft cleanbuild" runs lxc. Making that be a different architecture should be possible.
[20:28] <ali1234> i couldn't get cleanbuild to even work for host architecture
[20:28] <qengho> Just some other wrapper to an emulator.
[20:28] <ali1234> it just gives me apt errors
[20:29] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/787258/internal-server-error-when-retrieving-files-from-the-archive-in-lxd
[20:30] <qengho> http 500 from an archive? Sounds funny. Are you using a proxy or something?
[20:32] <ali1234> no
[20:53] <qengho> ali1234: Well, that would be a problem common to every Ubuntu user everywhere, not specific to snapcraft.
[20:53] <ali1234> it only happens with snapcraft
[20:53] <ali1234> specifically, only with lxc it seems
[20:53] <ali1234> also i didn't post that question
[20:54] <ali1234> so it isnt just me
[23:01] <torusJKL> Hi. I have a qustion regarding building with autotools.
[23:01] <torusJKL> I want to instruct snapcraft to build witin the directory build_unix.
[23:02] <torusJKL> But the configure.ac file is in the directory dist.
[23:02] <torusJKL> I tried to use source-dir and specified dist.
[23:03] <torusJKL> It found the configure file but then it would say that I should not build in this directory.
[23:15] <torusJKL> The error is: Berkeley DB should not be built in the top-level or "dist" directories. Change directory to the build_unix directory and run ../dist/configure from there.


[00:08] <oceanquake> Hi all.  I'm trying to install Kubuntu 14.04 LTS on a machine with intel graphics.  After boot, I see the wallpaper and the Kubuntu 14.04 window where the installation dialogs are presumably supposed to be, but that dialog is just gray/white.  I can switch VTs via Ctrl+Alt+F1, etc., but can't get any content to appear in the installer window.  Web searches didn't turn this up, so help would be appreciated.
[00:48] <oceanquake> hmm, the main download page points to 14.04.4 , but http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/release/ shows a 14.04.5 .  14.04.5 seems to work.
[01:01] <sintre> is there a way to remove a backport , installed one for gfx drivers to try and fix a konsole crashing , it updated some drivers but , the server takes like a minute to load headers
[01:24] <R13ose> Still having a hardtime with touchpad, too sensitive
[03:19] <kuSuSE> I just disable mine when I boot if I have an external USB mouse with me
[03:20] <kuSuSE> oh wow I replied after two hours
[03:20] <kuSuSE> this channel is dead >_>
[03:20] <sintre> yea slow night :)
[03:21] <sintre> i use a notebook as well , but also an external mouse so haven't messed around with touch pad settings
[03:21] <sintre> so no help from here really
[03:22] <DarinMiller> somebody fighting touchpad issues?
[03:23] <DarinMiller> I missed the post....
[03:23] <sintre> somebody said there touchpad was to sensistive like an hour ago
[03:24] <sintre> R13ose
[03:24] <sintre> Still having a hardtime with touchpad, too sensitive
[03:24] <sintre> still in chat maybe she'll come back
[03:25] <sintre> no offens eif that turns out to be a he :)
[03:25] <DarinMiller> sintre: try installing xserver-xorg-input-libinput.  That makes my jittery mouse pad on a Lenovo work work almost perfectly
[03:25] <sintre> not me was other user
[03:25] <sintre> :)
[03:26] <DarinMiller> My only gripe is palm detection is still fails to ignore my palm.
[03:26] <sintre> this old alppy , but getting my new mouse is actualy opposite
[03:26] <sintre> new system is i3 2 ghz
[03:26] <sintre> still clean , that touch pad is twice the size
[03:27] <sintre> but only problem with it is making double click on scroll bars stick , so gotta double click and hold again
[03:27] <sintre> another minor issue for me to chew on :)
[03:28] <sintre> mine is a dell
[03:29] <sintre> after i get this old work horse worked out , then i can start with new one before i swap over all stuff and make it my main
[03:34] <[Relic]> would any problems show up if I had 2 exact same monitors on the same vid card; any random switching around?
[03:34] <sintre> i've had problems with duel monitors in older plsma 5.8
[03:34] <sintre> but when trouble shooting some others said that exact reolution for each is fine
[03:35] <sintre> not possible for me with my set up though
[03:35] <sintre> but different resolutions in plsm 5..5
[03:35] <sintre> didn't like or understand different resolutions running in duel or extended
[03:36] <sintre> so one or the other had to be huighe ror lower which made everything look like crap
[03:36] <sintre> older plsama 5.5 sry
[03:36] <[Relic]> I was just wondering about exactly the same monitors say something like asus model a247x (made up number); I currently have 2 same resolution different mfg monitors running
[03:36] <sintre> i haven't got a chance to test plsma 5.8 yet
[03:37] <sintre> well honestly if win junk 10 can do duel or extended
[03:37] <sintre> to native resolutions of different monitors maybe we can  find a way to :)
[03:38] <sintre> before i nixed win ten and its junk hdd from new system tested it
[03:38] <sintre> so it a software issue on kde/plsa side and now with everybody getting computers qwith hdmi or vga out  hopefully we can go there
[03:39] <sintre> i also had a problem with 0 sound being carrieds thru hdmi
[03:39] <sintre> again haven't tested 5.8 on new system yet
[03:40] <sintre> would be nice to be able to relax on couch with bigg tv as monitor and some blue tooth keyboard/mice
[03:41] <sintre> :)
[03:42] <[Relic]> I just use 10 foot cables  :)
[03:42] <sintre> well thats one solution :)
[03:59] <tuxisagamer> I just upgraded to 16.10 and now my system won't boot with EFI enabled and without EFI there's no sound.
[04:01] <sintre> can you get into an os
[04:02] <tuxisagamer> Yeah, I can boot to the desktop with EFI disabled and the EFI partition commented out.
[04:02] <sintre> seems  more like a driver problem , i had my own battle with the new firmware nonsense
[04:03] <tuxisagamer> I've tried switching the EFI and swap partitions even.
[04:03] <sintre> well my firm ware on my new system is uefi
[04:03] <sintre> even more annoying
[04:04] <sintre> as for sound i would look up and try to update drivers and packages
[04:04] <sintre> i couldn't even boot
[04:04] <tuxisagamer> Everything was working fine till this morning.
[04:04] <sintre> i know that sounds simply , not meant to be offensive
[04:04] <sintre> so it DID work then stopped?
[04:05] <tuxisagamer> I built this machine 4 years ago.
[04:05] <sintre> ok after your upgrade was that when it stopped working?
[04:06] <tuxisagamer> I upgraded it a few days ago. Was working fine till this morning.
[04:06] <sintre> so it did work
[04:06] <sintre> , not its just stopped
[04:07] <sintre> i would try a live dvd/usb stick and see
[04:07] <sintre> make sure it note a potential hardware failure
[04:07] <tuxisagamer> I already ran a full bad block check on the drive.
[04:08] <sintre> not concerned about block
[04:08] <sintre> make sure your audio is working hardware wise is first step imo
[04:08] <sintre> then can go deeper ito potential hardware issues
[04:08] <sintre> weould be my plan of action , than again i'm a noob :)
[04:09] <tuxisagamer> It boots into a live usb fine.
[04:09] <sintre> does audio work then?
[04:09] <sintre> in live
[04:09] <tuxisagamer> That I didn't check.
[04:10] <sintre> well sinse audio is the problem might wanna go there
[04:10] <sintre> first before messing around with a never ending hit and miss with drivers
[04:11] <tuxisagamer> With splash turned off and my efi partition active in fstab I was getting timeouts after quota check.
[04:11] <sintre> and also test if you can not just speakers , but another set of headphones
[04:11] <tuxisagamer> So I have been looking at the drive and partitions.
[04:12] <sintre> well your probally mor knowledgable than me , that stuff is above my head . I'm the start first elimate potential cause then move on kind guy
[04:12] <sintre> wish i could help more
[04:12] <sintre> :(
[04:12] <sintre> i don't think the drive or partitions would have anything to do with your audio not working
[04:12] <sintre> whats Installed on them probally do
[04:13] <sintre> also , not linux or os related
[04:13] <tuxisagamer> I've tried like 6 or 7 kernel versions and they're all suddenly failing with the efi partition enabled.
[04:13] <sintre> i've used enough computers to know that sometimes static electricity can get built up inside a pc long enough to block signals from ports
[04:14] <tuxisagamer> The audio device is currently showing as dummy output.
[04:14] <sintre> so unpolugging everything and grounding yourself before you do it , then giving whole system a rest for thirty minutes might help
[04:15] <tuxisagamer> Checking the audio in a live usb is not a bad idea.
[04:19] <tuxisagamer> Yeah. Sound in Live USB.
[04:19] <sintre> ok so now its not hardware failure
[04:19] <sintre> i assume you've got everything updated?
[04:19] <tuxisagamer> Yes.
[04:20] <DarinMiller> tuxisagamer: regarding your sound issue, did you right click on the speaker in your panel and select audio settings?
[04:21] <DarinMiller> tuxisagamer: by chance is the audio icon missing?
[04:22] <tuxisagamer> No, the audio icon isn't missing. But all mixers only show the dummy output.
[04:23] <DarinMiller> OK, do you know how to manually add widgets to your panel?
[04:24] <tuxisagamer> The audio works in the live USB I just booted too. But yes, I know how to add a new widget.
[04:25] <tuxisagamer> The audio is just a symptom. Something is wrong with either my efi settings or disc settings.
[04:25] <sintre> i still don't get how your disc settings would affect audio playback
[04:26] <tuxisagamer> Any big changes in EFI between 16.04 and 16.10?
[04:26] <tuxisagamer> With EFI turned on it's timing out on the EFI partition. Regardless of wheter EFI is on sda1 or sda3
[04:27] <DarinMiller> I would tend to agree that the EFI security settings should have no affect on the sound.
[04:27] <tuxisagamer> I disable EFI in the MB and the partition in fstab it will boot but there's no sound module being loaded.
[04:28] <sintre> well , your install was meant for efi or uefi
[04:29] <DarinMiller> However, I did a fresh install of 17.04 today and it was missing the sound icon panel and keyboard volume controls failed to work.
[04:29] <DarinMiller> After adding the sound icon, keyboard controls worked as expected.
[04:30] <DarinMiller> Also, I have seen some updates default to the wrong sound output. So once the sound icon is on the panel, right click on it and select sound settings.
[04:31] <DarinMiller> Go to the Audio Volume Icon and select output devices.
[04:32] <DarinMiller> Ensure to select the port that is used for power your speakers or headphones.
[04:33] <tuxisagamer> That won't help if the kernel modules aren't loading. I've just piped the lsmod output from the live-usb to the system harddrive and gonna try to manually load the kernel modules.
[04:37] <DarinMiller> hmm, if he fixes that the issue, I hope shares how he did it.  I have never heard of switching boot modes affecting sound.
[04:37] <sintre> me either
[04:37] <sintre> i had my own problem with new firmare
[04:37] <sintre> turned out to be the partition table
[04:37] <sintre> but never affected sound
[04:39] <sintre> he also said that it worked fine for days then just stopped
[04:39] <sintre> which is even more confusing
[04:39] <sintre> normally you can kinda link action  = problem
[04:40] <sintre> thats why i asked him to check live ussb/dvd
[04:42] <sintre> only thing i think to tewll him sinse he built is rig 4 years ago is to see if there is a bios upgrade available
[04:43] <rbetzen> valorie:: finished reinstalling and now running kubuntu like a champ!  :)
[04:43] <DarinMiller> yes, upgrading bios from from linux can be challenging on some systems
[04:43] <sintre> well sinse his mobo has a dated but not newest version something might not be matching up
[04:44] <sintre> my system is so old doesn't have that , legacy only
[04:45] <DarinMiller> Just walked my dad thru a 16.04 backport upgrade, other than a prolonged shutdown it went smoothly.
[04:45] <DarinMiller> I have 3 EFI systems, not issues on any of them.
[04:46] <sintre> well sound is a bizarree one considering it works obviously
[04:46] <sintre> as a live usb can make noise
[04:46] <sintre> so another head scratcher
[04:47] <DarinMiller> agreed.
[04:47] <DarinMiller> One older system is kicking my butt though, after I installed a refurbished SSD.  It's russian rullet whether the ksmserver will crash on wake.
[04:48] <sintre> haha well atleast you have your knsole :P
[04:48] <sintre> but atleast i know how to get it back now
[04:48] <DarinMiller> After installing Neon, 16.10 and 17.04 all with same symptons, I am betting the SSD is the cause.'
[04:49] <sintre> i will not blame my lil ssd that could on my konsole be a pain :)
[04:49] <DarinMiller> I asked my dad to test his terminal based on your issues and his is working just fine also, but he does not have an NVidia card.
[04:49] <sintre> got a 120 gig in this one and a 250 gig in the other
[04:50] <sintre> yes it is wierd as hell
[04:50] <sintre> think about asking that
[04:50] <sintre> help my console don't work
[04:50] <sintre> like serious guys lol
[04:51] <sintre> but i think we went thru everything and then some
[04:51] <sintre> new driver every output ect.
[04:52] <sintre> i'll see if it reproduces in new system as i haven't updated that thru backports yet
[04:52] <sintre> i don't think it will
[04:52] <sintre> narrow it down further
[04:54] <DarinMiller> I was hoping you might have your old spare HD laying around where you could fresh install.  I hate recommending that, but installs are so fast these days I rather take the 45min re-install hit than spend hours of googling and trying random stuff.
[04:54] <sintre> actually
[04:54] <DarinMiller> Although, I always learn cool stuff when such occasions occur.
[04:55] <sintre> is it possible to do a usb install
[04:55] <DarinMiller> Yes, as long you bios is set to boot from USB, you can install and boot to usb.
[04:55] <sintre> yea i got threee drive laying around collecting dust
[04:55] <sintre> drives
[04:56] <sintre> external enxlosure
[04:56] <sintre> not usb
[04:56] <sintre> stick but literaly drives
[04:56] <sintre> easy legacy
[04:56] <sintre> but this old system usb2
[04:56] <sintre> but i think it'll do for testing
[04:57] <DarinMiller> They will work.  Ensure to write the boot info to the external usb.  it will be /sdb or /sdc or something like that.  Do know of this install option?
[04:57] <sintre> i'm actually at this point curious myself wtf is with this
[04:57] <sintre> na another thing to learn
[04:57] <sintre> :)
[04:58] <DarinMiller> let me see if I can find a picture of that install screen....
[04:59] <DarinMiller> OK, 42s into this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm6TGqFCbQI
[05:00] <sintre> k got it book marked
[05:00] <sintre> this week hell or high water i will figure this out
[05:00] <DarinMiller> Boot loader option at the bottom of the screen.  Ensure that points to your USB drive otherwise, you will have an opportunity to learn a whole lot more :)
[05:00] <sintre> just gotta wipe out this lil 40 gig drive
[05:00] <DarinMiller> perfect.
[05:01] <sintre> got a 320 and a 500 lil lappy dirves
[05:01] <sintre> think those to a lil over kill lol
[05:01] <sintre> lord i have to many drives around
[05:02] <DarinMiller> If you forget to set the boot loader to your usb, the boot info is written over the top you existing boot loader information on main drive and when you try to boot with the usb, you system will be confused.
[05:02] <DarinMiller> It's all fixabel though: live boot, chroot and reconfigure grub.
[05:02] <sintre> i'll install from new clean pc so if that happens its a 10 minute fix :)
[05:03] <sintre> gonna cover bases hehe
[05:03] <DarinMiller> Yep
[05:03] <sintre> yea well me and grub loaders never played nice , but time to learn heh
[05:04] <sintre> but yea starting froma  clean install with an external can back track exact install of everything
[05:04] <sintre> so maybe can find when the probklem acurs and with what update
[05:05] <sintre> btw dev chellen depressing all failing or still failing  :(
[05:06] <DarinMiller> Yes, knowing what and when is definitely key to bisecting the problem.
[05:06] <DarinMiller> ? dev chellen ?
[05:06] <sintre> chanel
[05:06] <sintre> the other one i bug you in
[05:07] <DarinMiller> Oh, that's normal.  I am trying to learn how to fix those myself. Right now I cause more problems than I fix.
[05:07] <sintre> given my task to trouble shoot this , not motivational lol
[05:08] <DarinMiller> :)
[05:08] <sintre> alright midnight here , time to hit a shower and get some sleep
[05:09] <sintre> tomorrow i'll be back around with my lil hdd and see if i can recreate this
[05:09] <sintre> and again thx a ton for your help
[06:32] <R13ose> I installed the package mentioned above but still touchpad is sensitive
[07:43] <santiago68> good morning, This is Diego of Geneva, Switzerland "santiago68", I would like to have a registration code, please
[07:43] <valorie> registration code?
[07:43] <valorie> for what?
[07:44] <valorie> !register | santiago68
[07:44] <santiago68> to register on the community.linuxmint.com
[07:44] <valorie> if that is what you mean
[07:44] <valorie> mint is not kubuntu
[07:45] <santiago68> oh sorry
[07:45] <santiago68> i am at the wrong place
[07:45] <valorie> and we don't have anything to do with their website
[07:45] <valorie> sorry
[07:45] <santiago68> no prob, sorry for the disturbance
[07:45] <valorie> !mint
[07:46] <santiago68> ok
[07:46] <santiago68> tks
[07:46] <valorie> looks like they use a different network, rather than freenode
[07:46] <valorie> sorry
[08:52] <irctc003> Hi
[08:52] <irctc003> I have just recently install Kubuntu 16.04
[08:53] <irctc003> There is this annoying thing on the taskbar when you hover it displays the entire application
[08:53] <irctc003> How do I turn it off ?
[08:54] <hateball> irctc003: rightclick the panel and go into settings, disable preview
[08:55] <hateball> tooltips, they might be called
[08:55] <hateball> I dont use english locale, so
[08:55] <tlotr> Got it
[08:55] <irctc003> Got it
[08:55] <irctc003> Thanks hateball
[08:55] <hateball> :)
[09:03] <denza242> Hi, I'm helping a friend install Kubuntu
[09:03] <denza242> and um, I dunno what the boot menu key is for their Asus laptop
[09:33] <R13ose> denza242: did you try holding down the shift key?
[09:43] <efloid> anyone know which setting determines whether you can resize windows by left-click dragging the corners?
[09:43] <efloid> otherwise i think the default is alt + right click
[09:44] <efloid> on one machine when i put cursor to corner of window it doesn't change to the drag cursor unless i press alt - right click
[09:51] <R13ose> efloid: you looked into the corners settings?
[09:54] <lordievader> efloid: I have it set the resize window to Super + right-click, let met check where I did that.
[09:55] <lordievader> efloid: System Settigns -> Window Behaviour -> Window Actions -> Inner Window, Titlebar & Frame
[09:58] <R13ose> Still having a hardtime with a too sensitive touchpad.  How do I fix that?
[10:00] <soee_> R13ose: http://i.imgur.com/VWGhBIW.png
[10:02] <R13ose> soee_: scrolling tab or another one?
[10:09] <R13ose> soee_: I tried changing settings in sensitivity bi
[10:10] <R13ose> but didn't make this less sensitive
[11:14] <EventHorizon> evening...  Is the spash screen background still via: /usr/share/plasma/look-and-feel/org.kde.breeze.desktop/contents/components/artwork/
[11:15] <EventHorizon> having trouble changing the .png after the update.
[11:45] <EventHorizon> evening.  what line do i amend in the splash.qml to change the breeze black background to an image?
[11:47] <EventHorizon> https://paste.kde.org/pmsdnluqu
[11:48] <xeverton> falaeee
[11:48] <xEverton> alguem
[11:53] <xEverton> tudo bot
[12:20] <Dienonymous> saludos familia
[12:34] <Dienonymous> saludos famiolia como estan en este dia
[12:34] <Dienonymous> ?
[12:36] <Dienonymous> espero entiendan el castellano
[12:37] <Dienonymous> por que hay que tener cuidado con los drones de materia organica masificada que se alimentan de energia viviente osea tu
[12:38] <Dienonymous> se lucha muy facil
[12:39] <lordievader> !es | Dienonymous
[12:39] <Dienonymous> se inyectan gusanos bot y malguares revolucionarios espejo contrincante independientes en la energia
[12:39] <Dienonymous> ok
[12:40] <Dienonymous>  gracias
[13:02] <Guest83866> Hi, my kmail don't start after update. What can I do to use it again?
[13:03] <soee_> might be akonadi fault
[13:04] <soee_> what console says wen you run kmail from it ?
[13:05] <Guest83866> akonadi is online, I got messages of new email, no error/info in konsole after sonnet.core
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:08] <R13ose> Any thoughts on my question?  I know sensitive in the touchpad settings need to be fixed but hasn't fixed this for me yet.
[14:18] <Guest25270> what's wrong? kmail don't start after last update. I need help
[14:18] <Guest25270> what can I do to find the problem?
[14:45] <R13ose> Any ideas?
[15:15] <R13ose> This is super annoying, the sensitive is driving me insane
[16:08] <momken> hello
[16:08] <sintre> hi
[16:08] <momken> How can I enable hibernate in kubuntu?
[16:09] <momken> hi sintre, How are you today?
[16:09] <sintre> good , hmm i'd look nunder power management
[16:10] <sintre> seems kubuntu has a suspend feature
[16:10] <sintre> not sure how close that is to hybernate in a windows box though
[16:10] <momken> sintre: suspend is different with hibernate. hibernate is saving ram in disk
[16:11] <sintre> hmm i can't find any settings for that , i'm also using older lts 16.04
[16:11] <sintre> not sure if newer features in new version
[16:12] <sintre> but its early around here west coast people barely rolin out of bed
[16:12] <sintre> later should be somebody who knows more than me
[16:13] <sintre> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[16:13] <sintre> looking for some type of gui setting you can set , no luck so far
[16:13] <momken> sintre: Oh. Ok thanks. But the "hibernate" is a global thing in ubuntu.
[16:13] <sintre> so seems you can do it
[16:13] <sintre> yea found that
[16:13] <momken> And "sudo pm-hibernate" worked correctly in terminal
[16:14] <momken> But I couldn't find a button for it!
[16:14] <sintre> well think the only thing is is to request some setting / gui app to enable it  easier :)
[16:14] <sintre> or add to power management setting in plsma
[16:15] <sintre> seems simple enough , probally not alot of people have requested it
[16:16] <sintre> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?58931-How-to-enable-Hibernate-on-(Kubuntu-system-menu-gt-Leave)
[16:22] <momken> sintre: It was written that "The presence of btrfs partitions has proved to make hibernation fail" which is wrong. I have mounted some Btrfs partitions and pm-hibernate still worked
[16:22] <sintre> no clue , i've never used hybernation
[16:23] <sintre> justonly post i found that had some instructio to add option to list
[16:23] <sintre> also probally an old thread as well
[16:24] <sintre> but certainly a feature if stable , i don't see why we should have easier way to activate it
[16:24] <sintre> so curious why its left out , could be plsma devels just didn't think top priority
[16:25] <sintre> maybe shoot em an email ask if they could consider it?
[16:26] <sintre> and include what you know , and that you use the feature ect.
[16:27] <momken> ok
[16:28] <momken> let me restart to see if hibernate is added by modifying polkit files
[16:31] <JonelethIrenicus> i just upgraded my packages in 16.04 and i am missing my system tray icons even after reboot
[16:32] <JonelethIrenicus> getting this error when i try to upgrade the rest of the packages
[16:32] <JonelethIrenicus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[16:32] <JonelethIrenicus>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5mailcommon-plugins_4%3a16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa61_amd64.deb
[16:33] <sintre> have you tried the update again
[16:33] <JonelethIrenicus> sintre: yeah just now
[16:33] <JonelethIrenicus> can i remove that package?
[16:33] <sintre> :( hmm , well you could start adding them back manually , i heard somebody mention something like this the other day, i'm using 16.04 ths one hans't happend to me 'yet'
[16:34] <sintre> i don't know enough to give you a good answer either way
[16:34] <JonelethIrenicus> sintre: do you have the backports ppa?
[16:34] <sintre> yea
[16:34] <JonelethIrenicus> yeah me too
[16:34] <momken> sintre: It worked and now the hibernate button is present
[16:34] <sintre> momnken> great
[16:35] <sintre> momeken>  i'd still shoot an email i think it should be disabled be default , but left out?
[16:35] <sintre> maybe they're afraid people's pc's will go to sleep and not wake up :)
[16:35] <sintre> momken> can you set a timer to hybernate?
[16:36] <sintre> like in 30 mins hybernate ect.
[16:37] <momken> sintre: Yes. It is now available as an option in Power Management
[16:37] <sintre> good good
[16:37] <sintre> well we know a solution to one problem :)
[16:38] <sintre> something so small i'd think they'd be able to fix rather quickly
[16:38] <sintre> or they intentionally don't have it there , because of that kinda sorta bug
[16:38] <momken> sintre: Yeah, but I guess it had many bugs in other settings, so they disabled it by default
[16:39] <sintre> yea safe than sry i guess
[16:39] <momken> I think pm-hibernate doesn't work in certain situations, which is why they disabled it
[16:40] <sintre> yea trying to have a feature like that for any imaginable setup , probally might be a pain
[16:58] <Fritigern> valorie: Congrats on your new wave of Twitter followers! :-)
[17:31] <marco-parillo> BluesKaj: I remember you used to like the Plasma 4 feature of different wallpapers on each virtual desktop (not activity). Somebody has hacked together a work-around: https://github.com/martenjj/wallpaperswitch
[17:37] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo, thanks for the tip :-)
[18:14] <momken> Hello
[18:14] <Crell> Hi folks. I'm giving Chromium browser a try on a freshly installed Kubuntu system.  It's mostly working, but most video is not.  YouTube does, Twitter does not, for instance.  Any idea what package/lib/codec/thing I'm missing?
[18:14] <momken> I have Kubuntu 16.04 updated to latest packages and connected to 2 monitors. But after each reboot it acts differently
[18:14] <Crell> I have chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra installed already, so it's not that.
[18:15] <momken> I have set the below monitor to be primary, but sometimes after reboot the upper screen takes all panels and sometimes the below screen is blank
[18:15] <momken> like this: https://www.imageupload.co.uk/image/BdJg
[18:19] <momken> Is it a known bug of Kubuntu or it may be due to old KDE version?
[18:19] <momken> In #kde channel they said I should upgrade to plasma 5.8
[18:20] <momken> How can I upgrade to plasma-5.8?
[18:20] <sintre> back ports
[18:20] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:21] <sintre> then sudo apt update
[18:21] <sintre> then sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:21] <sintre> keep in mind this could take a long time so get a beer
[18:22] <momken> sintre: Thanks very much dude. But what is backport? Does it mean porting latest code back from KDE to kubuntu?
[18:22] <momken> And is that PPA safe enough?
[18:22] <sintre> new programs on old version yea
[18:23] <sintre> one used and recomended for kubuntu
[18:23] <momken> If using the backport PPA is recommended for Kubuntu, then why they don't include it in ubuntu repos?
[18:24] <sintre> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[18:24] <sintre> they have there own
[18:24] <sintre> i assume
[18:24] <sintre> well results may very
[18:25] <sintre> its not officially supported
[18:25] <sintre> i guess
[18:27] <sintre> momken >  not sure offically recomended but to get newest packages on older installs and version its needed
[18:27] <sintre> also bug fixes ect.
[18:29] <momken> sintre: Hmm. So if the old KDE on kubuntu have some bugs, then I should use this PPA to get newer versions. However the newer version doesn't necessarily mean less-bugs
[18:30] <sintre> yep
[18:30] <momken> If the new version has new features, then it may have new bugs too
[18:30] <sintre> i had never ending crash problems with plsma on 16.10
[18:30] <sintre> so switched back to 16.04
[18:30] <Dienonymous>  And now my projection time is now that you navigate for me by the energy of the cosmos with worms malwares and bot and implement a full horizon for our beloved warriors of the future freedom is the last word
[18:31] <sintre> but backports let ya update alot of things without full distro upgrade
[18:31] <sintre> thats some good kububntu poetry dien
[18:31] <momken> Ok. I will update to backport PPA, only because of that weird bug, but I don't like updating to latest software everyday.
[18:31] <sintre> it won't you have to do it
[18:31] <momken> But backport ppa is getting updatied everyday!
[18:32] <sintre> stuff installed might phone home like normal updater
[18:32] <sintre> yes but you gotta go and manually make it update
[18:32] <sintre> from terminal
[18:32] <momken> hmmm
[18:32] <momken> Ok
[18:37] <markus_e92> Hi. How can I lockdown settings of okular for all users on the system? for a single user it works, if I edit .kde/share/config/okularpartrc e.g. MemoryLevel[$i]=Low
[18:38] <markus_e92> I use Kubuntu 16.04 LTS
[18:40] <momken> sintre: What is different between upgrade and full-upgrade?
[18:41] <sintre> not sure , commands can kinda do same thing, but I think they'll do the same
[18:41] <sintre> full-upgrade is not a distro upgrade i can tell you thar for sure
[18:41] <sintre> another command used for that
[18:44] <genii> markus_e92: If you want users which will be added to the system to have this setting by default, make a file /etc/skel/.kde/share/config/okularpartrc   which has this in it. If you don't want them to change the setting, you can change ownership that rc file to root or another user they don't have the ability to write to files as
[18:49] <marco-parillo> momken: apt-get upgrade will not change what is installed (only versions), apt upgrade will automatically install but not remove packages, apt full-upgrade will install or remove packages as necessary to complete the upgrade,
[18:50] <marco-parillo> Hat tip: http://askubuntu.com/a/500928
[18:52] <momken> marco-parillo: Oh. Thanks
[18:53] <sintre> momken> what did you decide to do?
[18:57] <markus_e92> genii: I thought if I add my settings to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/config/okularpartrc it should work, but it's not. But e.g. power settings I could set /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kf5-settings/powermanagementprofilesrc this works --> this settings is lockdown for all users
[18:57] <markus_e92> genii: is it maybe, because okular uses kde4?
[19:04] <genii> markus_e92: Sorry, don't know
[19:13] <markus_e92> genii: no problem
[20:04] <bruce_> evening all. running "sudo apt update" receiving all sorts of errors, for lack of a better word. many 404 errors and some business about missing Release files and not being able to securely update...
[20:04] <sintre> what version
[20:07] <bruce_> version of which software, kubuntu or apt? apt at 1.3.3
[20:07] <sintre> no clue about apt version , not that experienced here
[20:08] <sintre> been thru my own update headaches last weekis all
[20:08] <sintre> when is last time you updated?
[20:08] <Pici> What release of Kubuntu?
[20:08] <bruce_> 16.10, is that right?
[20:09] <sintre> well go to info senter under system
[20:09] <sintre> that should tell you version
[20:10] <sintre> center sry
[20:10] <bruce_> kubuntu: 16.10 and kernel: 4.8.0-22-generic
[20:11] <sintre> using lts here
[20:11] <sintre> so only thing i could think of is trying to add back ports , do you have those installed
[20:12] <bruce_> fresh installation
[20:13] <sintre> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:13] <sintre> then try update
[20:15] <bruce_> just made it worse lol
[20:15] <sintre> this is weird
[20:15] <sintre> what was your install medium
[20:16] <sintre> usb dvd?
[20:16] <bruce_> usb/flash
[20:16] <sintre> ok , well if dvd i could say could of been a bad burn
[20:16] <bruce_> https://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3156-2/  "USN-3156-2: APT regression - 16th December 2016"
[20:16] <sintre> so thats out
[20:17] <sintre> well i guess follow that
[20:18] <sintre> pls inform if it works
[20:18] <bruce_> possible that something happened when running dd that caused dodgy write to of? cannot recall if i mounted or not. not sure if it will even transact unmounted.
[20:18] <bruce_> followed and failed o.O
[20:18] <sintre> ok hmm one thing that cna cause problems is the hdd partition table legacy /dos /gtp
[20:19] <sintre> can mess stuff up
[20:19] <sintre> never got mine to even boot though
[20:19] <bruce_> thanks for the assistance though. fedora just whispered something about coming home :)
[20:19] <sintre> so efi uefi firmare one system or older bios/legacy?
[20:20] <sintre> ok but i think there is a solution , just gotta find it
[20:20] <sintre> also was this a clean install to hdd , or a partioned ect.
[20:21] <sintre> ohh well
[21:18] <user|57370> Hello. I wanted to ask whether in the kubuntu-ppa / backports-landing Frameworks 5.29 and when to wait for the update?
[21:30] <soee> user|57370: grameworks 5.29 aren'r staged yet i think
[21:40] <xen_> boo
[21:41] <xen_> who feels Kubuntu releases happen too soon?
[21:41] <xen_> or too often?
[21:42] <xen_> do we get time to adjust, is there time to hammer things out, and is there time to really build something or do we spend all our energy on the plumbing?
[21:46] <xen_> Is Linux not an effort to rise above the endless fighting of the system?
[22:33] <tim2> hi, I'm using the KDE 5.28 packages from the Kubuntu backports PPA. Since the upgrade to 5.28 I'm unable to run .desktop files
[22:54] <Dienonymous> Pass the game cosmos navigation by worm
[22:54] <Dienonymous> pleas
[23:15] <Dienonymous> Already but this does not end and already I hackie the mind will develop a new element of clarification in pursuit of the new ivy
[23:18] <Dienonymous> The worm of electric discharges that sails in the earth could be programs for the good of the emotional health
[23:22] <Dienonymous> And at adequate power
[23:25] <Dienonymous> Here it would be called to each dog with its owner that it sounds a little daring but the reason can with the logic
[23:27] <Dienonymous> The most fabulous worms for the most fabulous universe
[23:33] <Dienonymous> Templanza downloads would be fabulous
[23:34] <Poper> My kmail don't start after last update in 16.10. What can I do to use it again?
[23:35] <Poper> There is no output after sonnet.core. No crash message and akonadi is running.
[23:36] <Poper> But I see no window and the task use 25%(quadcore)


[06:36] <vish> zniavre: yay , rounded tooltips landed in lucid :D
[06:38] <ryanprior> I remember when rounded windows landed.
[06:38] <ryanprior> It made me happy disproportionately to the magnitude of the change.
[06:51] <zniavre> :o)
[06:51] <zniavre> good morning
[06:51] <ryanprior> Hi zniavre.
[07:01]  * vish hehe , sets insanely ridiculous roundedness and gets a weird sideeffect, creates funky shapes ;D
[08:07] <zniavre> vish,  nautilus is rgba able ?
[08:12] <vish> zniavre: not sure.. i have compiz doing the rgba work.. let me check
[08:12] <zniavre> ok
[08:12] <vish> also , it seems that the rgba stuff was pulled out and deferred for Lucid+1
[08:12] <zniavre> if yes i will dist-upgrade
[08:12] <zniavre> ho
[08:14] <vish> zniavre: which parts of nautilus would become transparent?
[08:14] <zniavre> everithing execpt textzone
[08:15] <vish> hmm... i dont think it does , but a few other apps like sys monitor use rgba
[08:15] <zniavre> http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=85094&file1=85094-1.jpg&file2=85094-2.jpg&file3=&name=Nautilus+RGBA+support
[08:26] <vish> hmm , nope no rgba for nautilus
[09:11] <zniavre_> vish,  ok thank you
[13:13] <zniavre_> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/ubuntu-lucid-aero-style-gtk-posponed-to.html > vish you were right ... sadly
[13:16] <thorwil> seems kinda ... typical
[15:47] <zniavre_> im trying lucid
[15:47] <zniavre_> there is no rgba improvement at all
[17:58] <zniavre_> FLOZz,  hello
[17:59] <FLOZz> hello zniavre_ :)
[17:59] <FLOZz> how are you ?
[18:43] <zniavre_> fine thank you
[18:44] <zniavre_> did you try CT on lucid?
[18:46] <troy_s> #dev.openoffice.org
[18:47]  * zniavre_ gives one /j to troy_s
[18:47] <troy_s> lol
[18:47] <troy_s> thanks z
[18:47] <zniavre_> :o)
[20:25] <FLOZz> zniavre_: no... But I will try...
[20:26] <zniavre_> FLOZz,  you got ppa no ?is there one for lucid ?
[20:26] <FLOZz> zniavre_: no, i have to re-build the package for lucid
[20:26] <zniavre_> a ok
[20:27] <zniavre_> did you plan to make it soon ?
[20:27] <FLOZz> I'll probably do it in two weeks
[20:27] <zniavre_> ok
[20:28] <zniavre_> thank you / merci
[20:28] <FLOZz> :)
[20:34] <FLOZz> ++


[07:29] <amir_> Hai guys
[14:34] <bladernr_> Hey guys,  I have a question...  looking at the list of install images for my cluster controller, I see that now I have both RC and Release images for Trusty.  BUT, when I edit a node and pick the version to install, I only see "Trusty", no way to specify whether to use the RC or the Release image.  Presuming I have both Trusty Release, and Trusty Dailies (For testing the soon to come 14.04.1 images) how do I specify which image to us
[14:34] <bladernr_> e?
[15:20] <rvba> bladernr_: the latest imported image is the one that will be used… this is a known limitation.  I suggest you import only the 'release' images to be sure these are the ones being used.
[15:20] <rvba> bladernr_: we obviously intend to fix this in the near future.
[15:24] <rvba> bladernr_: I just filed bug 1309593.
[15:24] <bladernr_> rvba: ahhh, ok.
[15:24] <bladernr_> rvba: thanks!
[18:02] <bladernr_> rvba: interestingly, I deleted the whole contents of /var/lib/maas/boot-resources, and re-imported everything after making sure bootresources.yaml was the newest version and only specified releases... I still show both trusty RC and Release images listed
[18:03] <bladernr_> rvba: probably because the stream still shows both
[18:03] <bladernr_> http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral-v2/releases/trusty/amd64/
[18:03] <bladernr_> makes sense then.
[19:13] <iulik> hi all
[22:10] <qhartman> When I change interface configuration in the MAAS interface, should I expect that to actually make changes to the network config on the server? It does not seem to...


[03:35] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys. Is there a way to get Kubuntu to mount drives upon bootup? i.e. A desktop has 3 harddrives and boots Kubuntu from USB, but doesn't mount any of the desktop's physical drives.
[03:36] <LINKSWORD2> How would somebody get the desktop to mount the drives once it is in Kubuntu?
 Sup
[03:40] <LINKSWORD2> Anybody?
[03:50] <LINKSWORD2> Hello?
 linsword2 you need to add the drives to your /etc/fstab file.
 The explanation found here is reasonable: https://askubuntu.com/questions/154180/how-to-mount-a-new-drive-on-startup
[04:19] <LINKSWORD2> I feel blond, just reading that. And I'm usually pretty techy.
[06:17] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:24] <macroprep> how do i aquire the linux kernel sources, as i tried sudo apt install linux-source-5.0.0 but i cant seem to find the source for the kernel itself in /usr/src/
[08:32] <lordievader> macroprep: `apt-get source <package-name>`?
[08:45] <macroprep> brothercomplex@Anime-X555BA:~$ apt-get source linux-kernel Reading package lists... Done E: Unable to find a source package for linux-kernel brothercomplex@Anime-X555BA:~$ apt-get source linux-kernel-5.0.0 Reading package lists... Done E: Unable to find a source package for linux-kernel-5.0.0
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:16] <proctrap> so I'm hit by the kmail gmail bug and can't set the PLAIN mode as all advanced settings are greyed out the moment I have imap.gmail.com server, any ideas ?
 Hey linksword
[13:32] <paul__> afternoon everyone hows things
[13:45] <paul__> is there anybody actually in here? havent seen a single thing yet
[13:49] <eht17> I just got here
[13:49] <eht17> just looking
[13:50] <eht17> Does someone know what is the simplest way to move my cursor with the keyboard?
[14:20] <viewer|45> Hi guys! I have a question about kubuntu, can somebody help me ?
[14:21] <BluesKaj> viewer|45, go ahead, ask your question
[14:23] <viewer|45> In the app laucher, in the app section, apps are separated by topics, like games, education, etc... Is it possible to disable that and make them all be together, like in the all apps section on ubuntu environment ?
[14:26] <BluesKaj> you could add the apps to your favs, but that would create a huge app launcher
[14:27] <viewer|45> other than that, no other way to do it ?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> there might be one, but i don't know how or what it could be
[14:29] <viewer|45> Okay, thank you very much !
[14:31] <BluesKaj> the app groups are there to make them manageable
[15:41] <oldman129> !list
[20:24] <swift110-phone__> Sup
[21:38] <swift110> hey all


[02:53] <slangasek> hi, I'm suddenly getting timeout errors trying to load https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier
[02:54] <slangasek> those sorts of URLs have never had problems before - has something gone wrong?
[02:54] <slangasek> (Error ID: OOPS-590b715f28bec743ec26102fd7332d21)
[02:59] <EvilResistance> confirmed on my end, (Error ID: OOPS-8fe1144b294f966bdd75b4401dcdf6b5)
[03:21] <slangasek> escalated internally with the Canonical LP team
[03:21] <EvilResistance> the timeouts seem to be global on bugs for packages, and for package pages
[03:22] <slangasek> the source of the problem has been identified; not sure how long it'll take to roll out the fix but it's being worked on
[03:22] <EvilResistance> for example, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/znc/
[03:22] <EvilResistance> slangasek:  good, i hope they realize its not isolated to just bugs.launchpad
[03:23] <StevenK> Yes, thank you.
[03:49] <slangasek> EvilResistance: the fix has been deployed
[03:49] <EvilResistance> slangasek:  that was fast :)
[03:49] <slangasek> it was a rather critical problem
[03:49] <slangasek> (and the ops were generally unhappy that it took as long as it did ;)
[03:50] <wgrant> Sufficiently unhappy that I might accidentally rewrite the deployment tool tomorrow :)
[04:19] <thumper> wgrant: juju deploy launchpad
[04:24] <nigelb> haha
[12:31] <mdeslaur> Dear launchpad: Please give me a date instead of writing "27 weeks ago". I've never had a kid, I don't know how to calculate time by counting weeks. kthx
[12:31] <wgrant> mdeslaur: You can get a date by hovering over it, FWIW.
[12:31] <mdeslaur> oh geez, /me goes to try
[12:32] <mdeslaur> hrm, not where I'm looking I can't
[12:32] <wgrant> Although that sounds like it might not be using our usual datetime formatter.
[12:32] <wgrant> Where is hits?
[12:32] <wgrant> this
[12:32] <mdeslaur> package pages: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quagga
[12:33] <mdeslaur> "132 weeks ago" makes my head explode :)
[12:33] <wgrant>             <span tal:replace="row/published_since/fmt:approximateduration"/>
[12:33] <wgrant> It should be fmt:datetime instead
[12:33] <wgrant> fmt:approximateduration is for build times and similar short durations :/
[12:33] <wgrant> Could you file a bug?
[12:34] <mdeslaur> wgrant: sure, one sec
[12:34] <geser> mdeslaur: would you prefer "3 releases ago" instead? :)
[12:34] <mdeslaur> geser: hehe, not really :)
[12:37] <mdeslaur> wgrant: LP: #999662
[12:37]  * mdeslaur pokes bugbot
[12:37] <mdeslaur> bug 999662
[12:38] <wgrant> mdeslaur: Thanks.
[12:38] <mdeslaur> wgrant: thanks!
[12:38] <wgrant> Might fix that tomorrow.
[12:38] <wgrant> Given it's so trivial.
[12:38]  * mdeslaur hugs wgrant
[12:43] <nigelb> 9/ws 34
[12:43] <nigelb> grr
[13:03] <cjohnston> wgrant: bug #881019  -  is there a better solution than what Ricardo suggested?
[13:10] <wgrant> cjohnston: Well, the ideal solution is that people would stop creating several accounts each :/
[13:11] <cjohnston> I'm not sure how to fix that social problem ;-)
[13:11] <wgrant> cjohnston: The next best thing is to do what I said in comment #15.
[13:11] <wgrant> Ricardo's suggestion is not practical nor safe.
[13:12] <wgrant> Merging SSO accounts is a lossy operation that may lock the user out of some of their accounts -- it's not something that can be done implicitly.
[13:13] <cjohnston> ic
[16:43] <tgm4883> Is there somewhere we can see the load on the build servers? (eg. how many things are waiting to be built?)
[16:43] <tgm4883> We had to turn off our daily builds last week due to the load, just wondering if it's back to normal so we can turn it back on
[16:45] <knome> anybody familiar with the team membership moderation stuff in launchpad? i'm wondering if i can set a message for those who are trying to join a team - before they click "join" - or if one could set some period after which users would be automatically rejected if not accepted before or so
[16:46] <knome> if not, are things like that under planning?
[17:03] <dobey> tgm4883: "our daily builds" == what exactly?
[17:04] <tgm4883> dobey, Mythbuntu daily builds of MythTV
[17:04] <tgm4883> packages
[17:04] <dobey> oh. do those take exceptionally long to build or something?
[17:05] <dobey> there was another project which had daily builds running, which would often take over a day to build, and that would have disturbed the buildds, for sure
[17:05] <tgm4883> dobey, not really, the issue is when the build servers are overloaded, i386 wasn't starting until about 9 hours after amd64 had finished
[17:06] <tgm4883> that's an issue for us, as there is a single arch independent package that the amd64 installs depends on
[17:06] <tgm4883> technically it's not a large issue, but users get confused when things get "held back"
[17:07] <tgm4883> since it's a daily build, we've also noticed in the past that occasionally it would be > 24 to start the build from upload, and we'd have a new upload before the old build even started
[17:08] <dobey> right
[17:17] <geser> tgm4883: you can see the build status (and queue length) on https://launchpad.net/builders
[17:19] <tgm4883> geser, thanks, good to know.  Does 159 jobs (57 minutes) mean the time before a new upload starts building is 57 minutes?
[17:20] <tgm4883> I'm assuming yes
[17:21] <geser> tgm4883: no, it's around 57 min (depends on how good the guess it) till all packages got build
[17:21] <tgm4883> ah
[17:22] <tgm4883> still, thats a good enough estimate for us to start building again
[17:22] <tgm4883> thanks geser
[18:36] <psusi> lp emailed me about a new bug #999790, but it appears not to exist, what gives?
[18:38] <highvoltage> might be marked as private?
[18:40] <psusi> I can see private bugs and it didn't indicate that in the email... looks like the same user filed several bugs about failed upgrades due to dependency problems today and most of them seem to have been deleted, which I didn't think was possible
[18:40] <maxb> I don't believe they can be, but perhaps someone made them private outside the scope of your permissions?
[18:41] <psusi> is there such a thing?  could an lp admin check?
[18:41] <dobey> if a bug was filed, and you can't see it, then it is private and you don't yet have permissions to see it. crash reports are a common thing which fits into this scenario, as they are private to only apport until it retraces them
[18:42] <psusi> I can see those
[18:42] <maxb> IIUC, private bugs are visible only to subscribers. So yes, it's quite easy for a bug to be private but not visible even if you have a role in the project
[18:42] <psusi> I often see the pending retrace bugs with the private flag
[18:43] <psusi> unless there are two different versions of private?
[18:43] <maxb> Yes, but that's only one possible kind of private bug. I believe there's a dedicated team subscribed to private crash bugs
[18:44] <maxb> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-crashes-universe
[18:45] <psusi> I'm an indirect member
[18:45] <TrollinPenguin> AHAHHAHA maxb
[18:45] <maxb> That was quite random
[18:46] <psusi> looks like that group is a member of bugcountrol which I'm a member of... which I guess explains why I can normally see the private reports
[18:46] <psusi> so unless there's some super dooper double secret, I think something's gone wrong with lp
[18:47] <dobey> i don't think anything has gone wrong with lp
[18:48] <maxb> Well it's possible, of course, but seems much more likely the bug has just been made private
[18:48] <psusi> then why does it say these bugs don't exist?
[18:48] <dobey> well, abnormally wrong, anyway :)
[18:48] <dobey> because they are private
[18:48] <maxb> It doesn't say they don't exist
[18:48] <psusi> being marked private doesn't explain that since I have access to see the private bugs...
[18:48] <maxb> It says they don't exist or are private
[18:48] <maxb> psusi: You do not have access to see private bugs
[18:49] <dobey> psusi: you do not have access to see all private bugs
[18:49] <dobey> psusi: you have permissions to see private bugs which you have permissions to see. nothing more.
[18:49] <maxb> psusi: You have access to see private bugs to which you are directly or indirectly subscribed (just as everyone does)
[18:49] <psusi> yes... well, I'm subscribed, why do you think I got the email?
[18:49] <maxb> You happen to be a member of a team which lets you see one particular common kind of private bug
[18:49] <maxb> I'd guess someone unsubscribed the team
[18:50] <psusi> wouldn't I get an email saying they unsubscribed/reassigned/flagged private?
[18:50] <maxb> I'm unsure of that detail
[18:50] <psusi> I normally do...
[18:51] <maxb> In the specific case of bugs, it would be better if LP wasn't quite so cagey about revealing the existence of private identifiers - since the identifiers are a trivial sequence
[18:55] <psusi> the only way I can see for me to have lost access to it is for someone to have flagged it private, and also changed the package it was assigned to... neither of which would make sense since there isn't anything sensetive about the bug, and I should have gotten an email about the change.  rather than engage in conjecture, it would be helpful if an admin could actually take a look.
[19:37] <mounirb> I have a project that I have subscribed a group to see the bugs. The bugs are private. Do we have to subscribe the group to each bug we open? We need the bugs to remain private, the subscription to the bugs at the project level is not working, is this correct for private bugs?
[19:40] <maxb> I don't think project/package level bug subscriptions have any influence on private bug access
[19:42] <mounirb> maxb: you probably right. This is what I see. I wanted to make sure this is the case.  If that is true, then for each private bug, we have to subscribe the group specificaly.
[19:44] <maxb> Each project can have a team in the "bug supervisor" role. I *think* the bug supervisor probably gets automatically subscribed to a project's private bugs
[19:45] <maxb> Though I'm not 100% sure of that
[20:02] <mounirb> maxb: are you suggesting to subscribe the team as the supervisor?
[20:02] <mounirb> maxb; I mean subscribe the group to be the supervisor?
[20:03] <maxb> I'm suggesting it might work
[20:03] <maxb> But you probably want to test or seek more knowledgeable advice
[20:30] <mounirb> maxb: ok will try it - thank you
[20:45] <wgrant> psusi: You won't generally get an email when you lose access, because you no longer have access.
[20:45] <wgrant> mounirb: Is this a proprietary project with a commercial subscription?
[20:46] <mounirb> wgrant no
[20:47] <mounirb> wgrant: it is a project that we want to keep the development closed for a while with access to specific people
[20:47] <jkyle> afternoon
[20:47] <wgrant> mounirb: That requires a commercial subscription.
[20:48] <wgrant> mounirb: Only public open source projects can use Launchpad without a commercial subscription.
[20:50] <wgrant> Projects with commercial subscriptions can be configured to automatically make all their bugs private, and subscribe the bug supervisor team so they can see them.
[20:50] <jkyle> I need ti import a openpgp key into launchpad to sign code of conduct agreement. The instructions describe how to do so using an ubuntu gui. I'm OSX or have access to some virtual machines with unbuntu, no gui. anyone have a less ubuntu+gui centric reference for this process? Also, it's unclear if this is only intended for ubuntu os?
[20:50] <mounirb> wgrant - it is open source project, we want the development to mature a little before we open it
[20:51] <wgrant> That doesn't sound too open source right now.
[20:52]  * jkyle thinks he found a cli tut
[20:52] <wgrant> jkyle: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey#Using_GPG_to_manage_OpenPGP_keys
[20:54] <jkyle> wgrant: yep, that's the one I found :)
[21:08] <thopiekar> hi :) I found spam in this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/+bug/183685
[21:08] <thopiekar> see the last comments
[21:12] <jkyle> woot, encrypted mail. couldn't figure out how to do it in outlook, got it goign on mail.app pretty easily


[03:36] <guiverc_t> Athul wrote summaries for planet; I did 16.10eol one ... next step (proof etc) wanna let me have access to list; what goes on and I can email that too?
[03:40] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: You mean for editors?
[03:46] <guiverc_t> yeah ..  i only know process to end.summary :)
[04:04] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[04:05] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Shared
[04:13] <guiverc_t> thanks tsimonq2
[04:15] <tsimonq2> np
[08:00] <guiverc> document copied to wiki#513.  but NO scripts run & thus no extra detail added, plus gdoc not blanked (in-case I made bobo's)
[08:01] <tsimonq2> Ok
[08:01] <guiverc> couldn't do before now as busy sorry; if someone wants to look & yell back @ me if too bad etc.
[08:01] <tsimonq2> Alright :)
[08:01] <tsimonq2> Thanks for your help guiverc_t
[08:20] <guiverc> team-reports script isn't used??   i had a play with it & errs, but see no data that it could download recently...
[08:20] <tsimonq2> guiverc_t: Yeah, ignore that :)
[08:21] <guiverc> played with that one as .pl;  i don't use python but use perl :)
[08:21] <tsimonq2> I'm the other way around :P
[08:22] <guiverc> not surprised - its your youth !
[08:22] <tsimonq2> lol
[08:39] <guiverc> got list-security (chose @ random) to run; but its montrh based - how is it narrowed to a week?  (or do I pick another bad one)
[15:17] <jose> guiverc_t: we still have that 'how to publish' meeting pending!
[22:39] <guiverc_t> thanks jose ; yeah I know ..
[22:45] <jose> guiverc_t: free right now?
[23:43] <guiverc_t> sorry jose ; my lack of response is a negative :(  20+ mins maybe, but don't know your tz & if dinner time or other for you, or later today?
[23:43] <jose> maybe later today
[23:45] <guiverc_t> thanks jose - give a yell again :)
[23:45] <jose> sounds good!


[15:31] <jandrusk> Can Unity be ported/installed on non-Ubuntu systems?
[15:39] <Unit193> It's been in AUR for a while.
[15:40] <jandrusk> Any others?
[15:40] <paultag> It's just a compiz plugin
[15:40] <paultag> (mind = blown)
[15:42] <jandrusk> So I think if Unity was a programming language it would be like Visual Basic.
[16:32] <andygraybeal> hahah jandrusk :)  that is mean
[18:16] <jandrusk> lol
[18:16] <jandrusk> No, mean would be if I equated it to QBasic.
[19:41] <andygraybeal> :)


[01:16] <qwebirc1111> does anyone know the default mysql password for the mytconverg db
[01:16] <qwebirc1111> i am trying to configure a remote connection to the db on mythbuntu 11.10
[01:16] <qwebirc1111> the password of the default user does not seem to work
[01:19] <dmbreton> Does anyone know what the default mysql password is for mythbuntu 11.10
[01:20] <dmbreton> i am trying to configure a remote connection to the db
[01:32] <dmbreton> figured it out
[01:33] <dmbreton> installed the frontend and looked in the setup
[06:07] <davez0r> having a weird issue with mythfrontend: no recordings available, or screen loading
[06:08] <davez0r> ...yet my recordings show up fine in mythweb
[06:08] <davez0r> anyone seen that before?
[13:38] <tgm4883> davez0r, I had that happen last night. The backend was hung and there were two backend processes running. Stopped the backend, killed any remaining backend processes, restarted the backend server and everything worked out
[18:37] <Seeker`> tgm4883: are there problems starting/stopping the backend with mythbuntu? I'm not sure that sudo service stop works correctly
[18:38] <Seeker`> neither does stopping the service while updating
[19:01] <rhpot1991> Seeker`: not that I'm aware of
[19:14] <Seeker`> I saw someone else with a similar problem the other day, and I can't find the cause of it


[17:15] <Samureus> hi quick question, what is the default theme in ubuntu studio and how do i go back to it after installing kubuntu-desktop
[17:26] <sakrecoer> Samureus: i don't remember.. lol... but you can find the list of available themes in "settings-manager=> appearance"
[17:27] <sakrecoer> Samureus: to set the window style its "settings manager => Window manager"
[18:00] <Samureus> sakrecoer, already tried those but thanks anyway


[13:15] <ttoine> hello
[14:06] <scott-wokr> good morning everyone
[14:08] <len-dt> scott-wokr, good morning...
[14:10] <scott-wokr> oops
[21:28] <len-dt> holstein, just a note.. I have been doing a little reading and it appears there is a trade off between throughput and latency. Higher latency/larger chunks of data works better for throughput... and most of the version changes for PCIe have been made to increase throughput,
[21:28] <len-dt> but... to make bigger data chunks requires bigger headers.
[21:29] <len-dt> For low latency the data chunks need to be smaller.
[21:29] <len-dt> on a high throughput system that means the data headers may be as big as the data.
[21:30] <len-dt> For most uses, bigger throughput seems faster... program loads faster off the disk for example
[21:31] <len-dt> Audio has different needs.
[22:18] <len-dt> All that to say, the low latency kernel should not slow the system down unless something is using the lowlatency parts, in which case the desktop may seem slower


[20:39] <markolya> Hi
[20:39] <markolya> I have ubuntu 10.04 on a server and experience pretty strange upstart behaviour
[20:40] <markolya> I have my own service config and it seems that whenever I do stop/start command just hangs until ctrl-c
[20:41] <markolya> even if I copy/paste known-to-work config there, like cron
[20:41] <markolya> moreover, if I save this service under different name it seems to work
[20:43] <markolya> I wasn't able to find any references to such issue
[20:45] <markolya> deleting service file doesn't help
[20:57] <sadmac> markolya: man 5 init, look at the expect stanza
[20:58] <markolya> thanks for the answer
[20:58] <markolya> I actually did look at it
[20:58] <sadmac> markolya: actually, that's not entirely consistent with the renaming thing..
[20:58] <sadmac> markolya: hmm
[20:58] <sadmac> markolya: what name?
[20:58] <markolya> yes
[20:58] <markolya> "kittens", if this matters
[20:59] <sadmac> but it works with other names?
[20:59] <markolya> basically I take contents of cron.conf, write it to kittens.conf and start kittens hangs
[20:59] <markolya> if I write it to kittens1.conf it doesn't hang
[21:00] <markolya> I mean start kittens1 doesn't hang
[21:00] <sadmac> that's strange
[21:00] <sadmac> in fact I have no explanation
[21:00] <markolya> it actually wasn't like this when I started yesterday
[21:00] <markolya> I think some of my changes to conf file brought it to such state...
[21:00] <sadmac> markolya: have you tried rebooting? maybe upstart is retaining some sort of state around the name "kittens"
[21:01] <sadmac> yeah
[21:01] <markolya> I do not really want to reboot this machine
[21:02] <markolya> it looks like that it is retaining some sort of state
[21:02] <sadmac> yeah.
[21:03] <sadmac> not a lot of ways to clear that unfortunately
[21:03] <markolya> I was just thing that while I have this state I can provide some information to original author since it looks like a bug
[21:03] <sadmac> its semi-well-known. The exact cause isn't certain but the preferred fix is a redesign of that portion of the code, so I don't think we need it much narrower
[21:04] <markolya> hmm... ok... is there any bug on launchpad for this so I could see changes on it and try fixes when they are released?
[21:05] <sadmac> not sure.
[21:07] <markolya> sorry, I'm new here... are you Scott James Remnant?
[21:07] <sadmac> markolya: no. Keybuk is. He's not on now
[21:08] <markolya> oh, thanks
[21:11] <markolya> I'll probably continue using rc.d for now, thanks for your help!