[10:19] <lampshade> sparkleytone: hmm if it were a bad kernel module, do you know any quick ways of looking for that?  Seeing which module was causing the problems?
[10:19] <spc> strange, the installer continued anyways.  It was only supposed to be reformatting the partitions which were already set up.
[10:19] <cpk2> it asks your timezone, keyboard layout and partition size (do it yourself or auto) and i think that was it
[10:19] <spc> wheels3572: can you change the time manually now that your timezone is correct?
[10:19] <kibab> Hey all... why would a cdrom mount with noexec when fstab shows only "user,noauto"
[10:19] <Warbo> spc: Use GParted to format partitions
[10:20] <steveire> cpk2: Maybe I should steer clear in case it formats my hard disk so.
[10:20] <Warbo> kibab: Try adding "defaults," before user
[10:20] <feugan3333> Hi all. Is there a way that I can regenerate my xorg.conf file. I think I've really broken mine while trying to install nvidia drivers.
[10:20] <sethk> kibab, because it is the default?
[10:20] <Warbo> feugan3333: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:20] <spc> warbo:  ok, so I won't leave "format" checked during the install then.
[10:20] <sparkleytone> lampshade: if its a laptop....any of the acpi related modules could be at fault.
[10:20] <feugan3333> Warbo: Ah Thanks!
[10:21] <loki505> totem could not play shoutcast pls
[10:21] <loki505> why not
[10:21] <Paddy_EIRE> does anyone know how to change teh display size for the login windows
[10:21] <lampshade> sparkleytone: it is a laptop, but none of the power modules in i386 seem to be misbehaving...  hmmm  I dunno
[10:21] <scrilla_> quick question
[10:21] <scrilla_> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/UzvQMu18.html
[10:21] <scrilla_> anyone knows whats wrong with it?
[10:22] <spc> nice, if you try to cancel installation you get 2 buttons:  [Cancel]  or [Quit]  :D  (should be [Resume]  instead of [Cancel] , I think)
[10:22] <kibab> sethk / Warbo: hmm... found it in the docs -o user => "This option implies the options noexec, nosuid, and nodev"
[10:22] <Ronz> whats a good GUI to fsck my hard drive?
[10:23] <wubrgamer> how do i forward an x session over ssh?
[10:23] <jbroome> wubrgamer: ssh -X hostname
[10:23] <mnp> how do uninstall a package from the commandline?
[10:23] <Ronz> mnp, sudo apt-get uninstall
[10:23] <Warbo> kibab: Adding options after one antoher usually overrides, so "user,exec" many make it executable, but still user mountable
[10:23] <mnp> Ronz: thanks!
[10:24] <wubrgamer> it didn't work
[10:24] <wubrgamer> how do i get to the GDM ?
[10:24] <Ronz> wubrgamer, sudo gdmsetup
[10:25] <jbroome> wubrgamer: sounds like you may want vnc
[10:25] <wubrgamer> no no no, in my forwarded ssh session
[10:25] <kibab> Warbo: yeah... I just didn't realize that having user implied the others.... thanks
[10:25] <wubrgamer> yesh
[10:25] <wubrgamer> i do
[10:25] <wubrgamer> but i want to do it over ssh
[10:25] <jbroome> well, that's different that "forwarding x over a ssh session"
[10:25] <sethk> wubrgamer, use xdmcp
[10:26] <Ronz> and whatis a program that i can fsck my hard drive? its screwing up
[10:26] <t-thing_> Hi. How to block access to specified sites, either with firefox (haven't found suitable extension) or with iptables?
[10:26] <scrilla_> needed the `s
[10:26] <scrilla_> heh
[10:26] <wubrgamer> xdmc p?
[10:26] <Warbo> t-thing_: You could find the IP and add it to /etc/hosts.deny..........
[10:26] <kibab> t-thing_: you might be better off running a proxy of some sort... but you could lookup the ip and block it with an iptables entry.
[10:26] <CarlFK> is smbfs installed by default?
[10:28] <spc> wheels3572: I do think it is a bug during the installer, because the user is (of course) going to set the time as their time and the timezone as their timezone.  So both should be accepted as truth, in whichever order they are applied (anotherwords the time shouldn't change by selecting different timezones, or should at least let the user edit it again if it does change.
 fixed it, changed the driver back from "radeon" to "fglrx"
[10:29] <t-thing_> Warbo: i'll look in to that
[10:29] <Warbo> Paddy_EIREWell, "sorted it out" would be the term. "Fixed it" would be for getting it to do exactly what you want (ie. run GDM in the preferred resolution no matter the driver)
[10:29] <t-thing_> kibab: a proxy of some sort is an overkill in this case
[10:29] <spc> warbo:  I see what you mean about the graphical installer.  I sure wish i could skip the first 4 screens, or have them all on one screen at least.  It seems a little tedious having to wait each time...
[10:29] <Ronz> !fsck
[10:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about fsck - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
yeah exactly
[10:29] <wheels3572> spc, I agree I am gonna have to manually edit it in a second anyway lol
[10:30] <cpk2> !tune2fs
[10:30] <ubotu> I know nothing about tune2fs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:30] <spc> wheels3572: did you check for a bug on that?
[10:30] <concept10> Anyone know what happened to the wireless support in dappers network manager
[10:30] <cpk2> easiest way to fsck is to use tune2fs
[10:30] <javaJake> Hello everyone. I'm still trying to get network-manager to work. It sees networks, but won't connect to any of 'em. I've checked out all of the wiki.
[10:30] <wheels3572> spc, No I didn't where do I do that at?
[10:30] <spc> anyone know how to go about finding a LUG (near Atlanta, Georgia, US), or are there such things anymore?
[10:31] <cpk2> spc: my college has a LUG =P
[10:31] <Jack_Sparrow> spc google will show linux user grou[s
[10:31] <spc> Jack_Sparrow: I didn't have much luck with google, probably need to try some more.
[10:31] <wheels3572> Jack_Sparrow, speaking of LUGS is there a good site that is fairly up to date on LUGS ?
[10:31] <spc> cpk2: I wish I was going to college.  :P
[10:31] <cpk2> =D
[10:32] <t-thing_> Warbo: won't hosts.deny deny only connections to computer at hand, not connections to internet?
[10:32] <MarcN> wheels3572: maybe http://www.tux.org/luglist.html
[10:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I just put linux user group and my city in yahoo and found three
[10:32] <Warbo> t-thing_: If you put a website's IP in hosts.deny then you cannot connect to it (like with a browser)
[10:33] <steveire> wheels3572: Where do you want to find a LUG?
[10:33] <wubrgamer>  /exit
[10:33] <wheels3572> ty MarcN
[10:33] <kibab> t-thing_: if it's a large site, it's possible that they do round robin DNS or something like that... and that you would have to know all the ips to get it to block correctly.
[10:33] <wheels3572> steveire, For maine
[10:33] <javaJake> I really really need help with network-manager
[10:33] <spc> wheels3572: reporting bugs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[10:34] <MarcN> javaJake: what is the problem?
[10:34] <kibab> t-thing_: re: hosts.deny... yes
[10:34] <spc> wheels3572: it takes only a few seconds to get a launchpad account (just email and password), then just file a bug and describe how to recreate it.
[10:34] <javaJake> MarcN, It sees networks, but won't connect to any of 'em. I've checked out all of the wiki.
[10:34] <javaJake> MarcN, I am using Ubuntu (obviously) with ndiswrapper drivers
[10:34] <jzubillaga> hi
[10:35] <javaJake> MarcN, Everything else connects. It's just this one thing. Do you want syslog output?
[10:35] <jzubillaga> hi hi
[10:35] <jzubillaga> f[ajf[aourfa'lgm\dao[l
[10:35] <jzubillaga> [omfale
[10:35] <jzubillaga> omfa[pjra
[10:35] <jzubillaga> [womr\[wamf\awfw[a\wofmw\aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:35] <jzubillaga> ofawmf\aow[fm
[10:35] <javaJake> MarcN, one last detail: I have commented out all entries but lo's in the interface file.
[10:35] <MarcN> javaJake: look in /var/log/daemon.log to see what kind of messages there are
[10:35] <jzubillaga> ogeamafad[lofwaaaaaaa\[smfd-awmdmaowfjwomaowjfwomdao=dmwao
[10:36] <MarcN> javaJake: right, interfaces file should mostly be empty
[10:36] <Howitzer> does anyone know how i can make the default file-manager thunar?
[10:36] <javaJake> MarcN, well, I have them commented so I can test network-manager, but still uncomment to get connectivity.
[10:36] <Howitzer> (opening a shortcut to a folder should open thunar instead of nautilus and so on)
[10:36] <MarcN> javaJake: that is fine.
[10:36] <t-thing_> Warbo: I can still browse to the site even though I've added the ip
[10:37] <javaJake> MarcN, I'm going to make NetworkManager attempt to connect, and record everything pasted into the log mentioned above.
[10:37] <javaJake> So wait about a minute
[10:38] <t-thing_> Warbo: top of my /etc/hosts.deny says: list of hosts that are _not_ allowed to access the system. That is sites not allowed to this system. I don't think it blocks connections from this this computer to the listed hosts
[10:38] <J_P> people, I install ubuntu server dapper on the CPU VIA Nehemiah 1.4GHZ, install ubuntu-server was OK, but in first boot ubunut dont boot.. :-(
[10:38] <J_P> grub start, linux try umpack and stop with this message : "Uccompressing Linux... OK, bootin the kernel."  during install ubunut-server use kernel <IP_ADDRESS>-386, but after ubunu server finish to install kernel 2.6.15-23-server is installed right ? mey this is the problem.. that ...-server kernel is not supported by VIA ?
[10:40] <erUSUL> J_P: it might be that the servewr kernel does not support via C3, yes.
[10:40] <t-thing_> kibab: roflmao, far from it. First of all I'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing and secondly, I despirately need a way to kick habit of visiting like ten of my favourite web sites. I end up reading news etc for hours, which is way too much. But on the other hand, I need internet so cutting it all out isn't an option
[10:40] <MarcN> wheels3572: url?
[10:41] <J_P> erUSUL: so, are there some alternative ? Like as boot with livecd, mount hda1 as chroot and instal via APT 386 kernel for can boot ?
[10:41] <wheels3572> MarcN, I was told to goto launchpad and signup.  I am just wondering why and YES I DO need the url please also
[10:41] <Shish> Where do I go to report bugs / feature requests for the server installer?
[10:42] <Warbo> !launchpad
[10:42] <ubotu> launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's Bounty and Bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/
[10:42] <Shish> Also, has the security update server been up and down all day, or is it just me?
[10:42] <erUSUL> J_P: yes you could try that but i've never done things like that before so ican not know if it will work... :(
[10:42] <MarcN> wheels3572: put it in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[10:42] <Ronz> quick question: "bad superblock on /dev/sda1" is that good?
[10:42] <t-thing_> Ronz: No
[10:42] <Shish> I know launchpad, but there are hundreds of thousands of packages to file the bug against, and I can't find one called "server installer" <_<
[10:42] <Ronz> what does it mean t-thing_ ?
[10:43] <gsuveg> Ronz: bad sector
[10:43] <J_P> erUSUL: are there another (easy) alternatives ?
[10:43] <Ronz> gsuveg, how do i go about fixing that?
[10:43] <t-thing_> Ronz: you need to try using an alternative super block
[10:43] <wheels3572> MarcN, actually all the problem is is this.  I was telling spc that when I install Ubuntu the time up at the upper right is correct but when I goto set it to my timezone it ADDS 4hrs to it for the current time.  Wondering if that is a bug in the programming or not of Ubuntu
[10:43] <gsuveg> Ronz: u can buy new pendrive ;)
[10:43] <Ronz> gsuveg, its not a pen drive...its my 80 gig external. =/
[10:44] <Ronz> t-thing_, how cna i change the super block?
[10:44] <gsuveg> Ronz: that was my 2nd canche :)
[10:44] <t-thing_> Ronz: that I can't remember, it's too long since I've done that
[10:44] <MarcN> wheels3572: setting the time properly fixes network-manager? maybe there is a file with a future time.
[10:44] <Ronz> so basically im fscked...or, maybe a lack of fsck..lol
[10:45] <spc> MarcN: thanks for the LUGS website you have to wheels3572.  Found what I wanted!
[10:45] <sethk> Ronz, there are tools to recover the superblock
[10:45] <t-thing_> wheels3572: you've probably got "system clock in utc" or similar setting wrong
[10:45] <sethk> Ronz, there are redundent superblocks
[10:45] <sethk> Ronz, if it is ext2/3 check the ext2/3 utilities.
[10:46] <wheels3572> t-thing_, how do I go about checking that.  I set it to New York time zone though
[10:46] <spc> Warbo: do I have to do anything to unmount hdb1?  I closed the terminal, thought it would unmount.  Doesn't seem to accept even if I tell it to unmount?
[10:47] <Howitzer> Does anyone know of ANY way to hide the Nautilus menu bar?
[10:47] <sethk> spc, command is umount, not unmount
[10:47] <Ronz> sethk, do you know the name of the ext3 utility?
[10:47] <Ronz> one with a GUI prefferably
[10:47] <Howitzer> spc, do 'sudo umount /dev/hdb1'
[10:47] <sethk> Ronz, no, sorry.  It may be an option to fsck.ext2 (or fsck.ext3).  check the docs.
[10:47] <spc> sethk:  thanks, I was using the graphical way - right click, "unmount".
[10:47] <Ronz> thx sethk
[10:48] <sethk> spc, ok
[10:48] <spc> howitzer / sethk: thanks.
[10:48] <Paddy_EIRE> Is there anyway I can use my Kubuntu cd to install Kde and all the kde apps in ubuntu
[10:48] <t-thing_> wheels3572: just select your timezone and use a ntp server
[10:48] <Ronz> sethk, "fsck.ext3: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda"
[10:48] <wheels3572> t-thing_, what's an ntp server lol sorry new here :)
[10:48] <Zambezi> Anybody here with rtorrent? I have problem. Suddenly the speed just disappear. I have the latest build on both rtorrent and libtorrent.
[10:49] <spc> Howitzer: (or sethk): is there a way to see if it's still mounted?  (by which I mean how do I see that?)  :)
[10:49] <sethk> Ronz, check the ext3 docs.  there is definitely a way to recover the superblock (or, at least, attempt to recover, it isn't guaranteed to work)
 ktorrent is the business man i'd use that
[10:49] <Ronz> ok. thanks!
[10:49] <mdirc> Running ubuntu, I can connect to the vnc server (enabled using the remote desktop preference) using real vnc client when I am on the same lan, but I cannot connect when I am on WAN (with or without vpn) Any ideas?
[10:49] <J-_> how can i make irssi open urls by default in mozilla with irssi?
[10:50] <Paddy_EIRE> Is there anyway I can use my Kubuntu cd to install Kde and all the kde apps in ubuntu
[10:50] <Zambezi> Paddy_EIRE, No, I can't. I need to use a client in SSH.
[10:50] <Paddy_EIRE> oh
[10:50] <t-thing_> wheels3572: syncronize with time internet servers or something like that. Since you're new here, I suggest that you look in to ubuntuforums.org and wiki.ubuntu.com. Those two sites have like 70% questions asked here well answered.
[10:50] <steveire> Paddy_EIRE: I think you can add the cd to your sources.list and install kubuntu-desktop
[10:50] <npster> I have a DNS problem anyone that can help ?
excellent man
[10:50] <Zambezi> Paddy_EIRE, The application works fine, but after a couple of hours I don't even have 1% of my avaible speed.
 talk
 that /var/cache/apt cd i did ended up being a failure but i wont give up
[10:51] <npster> A-J I can use IRC but not Firefox
[10:51] <A-J> what does firefox say??
[10:51] <spc> wish me luck, trying installer with no formatting or partitioning this time....
[10:51] <Warbo> Paddy_EIRE: LiveCD won't do much since it has no packages. Alternate CD contains the bulk I think
[10:52] <wheels3572> t-thing_, ok ty :) I will do that
[10:52] <npster> Server not found, but if I use the IP of the page it opens it
[10:52] <slappy> hello, I wonder if anyone help me get 720x576 with TV out on a 28" Pal TV
will the live cd give me kde
[10:52] <idefine> xev doesn't pick up my function key any ideas?
[10:53] <steveire> Paddy_EIRE: You seem to want to do a lot of things that I've never tried very early in your linux experience. I hope difficulty doesn't enourage you to cop out, though....
[10:53] <Warbo> Paddy_EIRE: It will RUN KDE if you boot from it, but that takes up so much space that there are no packages on it
[10:53] <npster> A-J: Can you please switch to dada channel so we can chat more clearly
[10:53] <J-_> how can i make irssi open urls by default in mozilla with irssi?
[10:53] <steveire> LiveCD has packages surely.
[10:53] <Warbo> steveire: I thought is downloaded them all
[10:53] <javaJake> MarcN, here's the output: http://expandapps.org/pages/pastebin.php
 not a chance, I mastered windows which i hate learning linux is a joy
[10:53] <wsjunior> hello, how do i add a group inside of another one?
[10:54] <mnp> what do i need to do to install a kernel driver ?
[10:54] <TheGateKeeper> Paddy_EIRE: got a slow internet connection?
[10:54] <gdb> J-_: System -> Administration -> Preferrred Applications
no not me
[10:54] <wsjunior> i would like to add the users group to the audio group, is it possible?
[10:54] <ravenous> anyone know how to get an external monitor running on a dell laptop in ubuntu? i dont see any options in the bios and the external isnt getting a signal??
[10:54] <Intangir> wsjunior: dont think so
[10:54] <TheGateKeeper> Paddy_EIRE: then use the repos
[10:54] <frying_fish> wsjunior: one way would be to edit /etc/shadow
[10:54] <Warbo> LiveCD contains a live system, loads of applications and (in the case of x86 ones) Windows applications. No room for packages, even with squashfs
[10:54] <frying_fish> ravenous: you need toconfigure xorg.conf
[10:54] <frying_fish> whats graphics is it using?
my friends pc has no net, iwas trying to install all the apps on my comp on hers with dependencies etc
[10:54] <A-J> f<ravenous> unction key and the F7 (CRT Button)
[10:55] <wsjunior> frying_fish: what i am supposed to add there?
[10:55] <mdirc> Running ubuntu, I can connect to the vnc server (enabled using the remote desktop preference) using real vnc client when I am on the same lan, but I cannot connect when I am on WAN (with or without vpn) Any ideas?
[10:55] <ravenous> frying_fish: intel, i810 driver
[10:55] <javaJake> I need help with network-manager.
[10:55] <spc> failed again.  Somehow I need to reformat the /boot partition, but GParted doesn't want to let me!?
[10:55] <frying_fish> ok ravenous yes it is possible to use an external monitor,
[10:55] <javaJake> MarcN left
[10:55] <javaJake> So now I need someone else to help me instead
[10:55] <TheGateKeeper> Paddy_EIRE: download the alternative cd
[10:55] <javaJake> :P
[10:55] <Warbo> spc: "sudo mkfs.ext2 -j /dev/partitionname"
[10:55] <Intangir> mdirc: sounds like your firewall is blocking it
[10:56] <J-_> gdb: thanks for the help =D
 why dont they provide the alternative cd in shipit
[10:56] <frying_fish> ravenous: this is a starting point : http://www.wlug.org.nz/i915-xorg.conf
[10:56] <gdb> J-_: Sure thing!
[10:56] <mdirc> intangir: you mean firewall in ubuntu?
[10:56] <onePhatMind> vnc: u need to forward port 5900
[10:56] <ravenous> A-J: thanks
[10:56] <frying_fish> mdirc: the port is not being forwarded
[10:56] <Intangir> mdirc: no i mean like your router
[10:56] <Intangir> mdirc: or .. whatever firewall your using i dont know
[10:56] <javaJake> network-manager found all my networks, but just can't connect to any of them. I've done everyhthing in the wikis.
[10:56] <frying_fish> mdirc: probably the router blocking it
[10:56] <Warbo> Paddy_EIRE: Alternate CD shouldn't be needed, so better to spend resources improving the LiveCD
[10:56] <ravenous> frying_fish: actually its sjust a hotkey i was too blind to see on the keyboard ;)
[10:56] <javaJake> The output is here:
[10:57] <javaJake> http://expandapps.org/pages/pastebin.php
[10:57] <spc> warbo: somehow it was saying it was ext2 for awhile (while I had it mounted maybe?), then somehow changed back to saying ext3.
[10:57] <frying_fish> ravenous: thats for if you want only one at a time
[10:57] <javaJake> Anyone have any ideas?
[10:57] <Warbo> Paddy_EIRE: (I mean for Canonical. Alternate CD is still needed my many people)
[10:57] <frying_fish> if you want dual screen follow that config, thats what I did for my laptop
 that sounds about right
[10:57] <ravenous> the lcd is cracked so it doesnt matter
[10:57] <mdirc> how do I change the port to be 80 for vnc on ubuntu
[10:57] <TheGateKeeper> Paddy_EIRE: didn't know they wouldn't but if you have a reasonable internet connection it's not really an issue
[10:57] <frying_fish> ravenous: sucky, I would get that fixed.
[10:57] <Paddy_EIRE> 1.1mbs
[10:57] <frying_fish> mdirc: don't,
[10:57] <onePhatMind> mdirc, you should't really; but you can do that in vnc server settings
[10:57] <ravenous> frying_fish: my next 300 bucks i will, but this is a fix for now heh
[10:57] <frying_fish> most ISP's block incoming connections to your account on port 80 anyway
[10:57] <onePhatMind> its has a gui
[10:58] <frying_fish> to stop people running webservers on their home computers
[10:58] <onePhatMind> mdirc, vnc has build-in java over the web client
[10:58] <frying_fish> just go into your routers configuration page and set up a port forwarding rule to forward 5900 to the machine you want.
[10:58] <onePhatMind> mdirc, http://myhost.com:5800; eliminates the need to have a client everywhere
[10:58] <spc> Warbo: I did "sudo mkfs.ext2 -j /dev/boot".  Was that correct?
[10:58] <mdirc> actually the ubuntu computer is at work and not at home
[10:58] <Paddy_EIRE> ok guys thats me for today, thanks all for bearing with me as per usual
[10:58] <steveire> frying_fish: What? port 80?
[10:59] <spc> warbo: what does that command mean?
[10:59] <mdirc> so I have no control of the routers at work, but, they allow incoming connections on port 80 I think
[10:59] <yuheng108> why is realplayer don't have sound by other app still have sound
[10:59] <steveire> how would you use http?
[10:59] <frying_fish> steveire: yup, I know a lot of UK ISP's block incoming request for port 80 on a customers connection (unless its a business account)
[10:59] <frying_fish> mdirc: they will most likely allow incoming on port 22 as well
[10:59] <frying_fish> and in which case, just tunnel the vnc through ssh (its a better idea anyway)
[11:00] <mdirc> yes they do
[11:00] <spc> warbo: it said "could not stat /dev/boot"... oh, probably device name, right?  Sorry.
[11:00] <mdirc> but I need a gui access...
[11:00] <frying_fish> ssh into the box and set up a forwarding rule to forward a port on "localhost" to that machine so you can just open up vnc and type localhost:foo and itwill connect
[11:00] <Warbo> spc: There is no such device as /dev/boot! Windows is the only OS which combines the drive's contents with it's device (ie. C:) (and yes DRIVE, since Windows treats each partition as a whole drive). Your device is /dev/hdb1 or something, whilst the files are accessed wherever it is mounted (wherever you want in the LiveCD. In your Ubuntu system it will be /boot by default)
[11:00] <frying_fish> by going through the ssh tunnel
[11:01] <frying_fish> mdirc: read what I have just explained (apart from its more secure than just connecting to vnc) it should be quick
[11:01] <spc> warbo:  ok, looks like it worked.  Thanks for explaining - taking me a little bit to wrap my mind around, I guess.
[11:02] <spc> warbo:  so what did it do?  Did that format hdb1 to ext2?  And is that how I want to leave it?
[11:02] <Warbo> spc: Windows warps minds. Combining device and mountpoint is stupid
[11:02] <frying_fish> mdirc: the option you need to do is ssh -l 1234:localhost:5900 username@host
[11:02] <spc> or is ext2 and ext3 written about in the documentation somewhere?
[11:02] <frying_fish> and then open up vnc and for the connection type in localhost:1234 and it will connect to the remote machine.
[11:02] <Warbo> spc: It has formatted it to ext3, so you should be able to install to it without formatting
[11:02] <spc> warbo:  agreed.  :)
[11:02] <nondysjunction> Hello.
[11:02] <spc> warbo:  what does mountpoint mean, anyways (grins sheepishly)
[11:02] <spc> nondysjunction: hi.
[11:03] <Warbo> (ext3=ext2+journal. "-j"= "with journal")
[11:03] <mdirc> frying_fish: so on the remote machine x I forward port 5900 to where, could you please explain, I thought ubuntu by default disables port forwarding.. TIA
[11:03] <frying_fish> mdirc: for a clearer explanation : http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html
[11:03] <spc> warbo:  cool!  Makes sense!
[11:03] <Intangir> mdirc: i dont know about all what hes saying but theres a super easy way
[11:03] <frying_fish> mdirc: you are forwarding through SSH (known as tunneling)
[11:03] <Intangir> mdirc: are you connecting from windows? or linux?
[11:03] <Warbo> spc: The folder where the files are accessed. "root" is mounted at /, /boot is mounted at /boot, CDs are mounted at /media/CDROM, ewc.
[11:03] <Warbo> *etc.
[11:03] <mdirc> Intangir: from windows
[11:03] <frying_fish> seriously, this is really *really* easy
[11:03] <nondysjunction> How might I enable multiverse on 5.10? I added "universe multiverse" to the default sources in sources.list, but they cannot be found.
[11:03] <Intangir> mdirc: oh. well then you need vnc ;)
[11:03] <frying_fish> ok, mdirc get putty
[11:04] <Intangir> putty wont help with guis
[11:04] <frying_fish> and then when you go to set it up for connecting to your machine (for ssh access) there is a portforwarding option
[11:04] <spc> warbo:  think I'm starting to get it.
[11:04] <frying_fish> Intangir: let me finish!
[11:04] <frying_fish> forward port 1234 say, to port 5900 on the machine you want to connect to
[11:04] <frying_fish> then, when thats connected open up your vnc client and for the address put in localhost:1234
[11:05] <evert> exit
[11:05] <Intangir> why wouldnt he just connect to 5900 directly?
[11:05] <frying_fish> that way you get a SSH tunnelled VNC connection, which is a) more secure b) will get past the firewall issues c) be quicker
[11:05] <Intangir> ssh slows down vnc
[11:05] <frying_fish> Intangir: because he can't
[11:05] <frying_fish> ssh compresses and speeds up because of compression
[11:05] <frying_fish> and it is a *lot* more secure.
[11:05] <Intangir> well if he cant setting up a tunnel also wont work will it?
[11:05] <frying_fish> Yes it will
[11:05] <Warbo> spc: It was easier before udev and devfs, since /dev would be full of every device imaginable (why the hell di RedHat 9 have "/dev/atarimouse"?) so it was easy to see what was going on. Now udev controls the device nodes (the files in /dev) so you only have the ones you need. That makes it less obvious what they are
[11:05] <frying_fish> thats the whole point of setting up a tunnel
[11:05] <mdirc> frying_fish: So I use putty to setup the port forwarding and point my vnc client to my local machine on which I have putty running.
[11:06] <frying_fish> ssh tunnels get round firewall issue
[11:06] <frying_fish> mdirc: yes
[11:06] <frying_fish> use putty, tell it to do "local forwarding" of port 1234 to the server's port of 5900
[11:06] <frying_fish> then open vnc and type localhost:1234
[11:06] <nondysjunction> How might I enable multiverse on 5.10? I added "universe multiverse" to the default sources in sources.list, but they cannot be found. Any thoughts?
[11:06] <Harkins> I'm running a live cd and have a blank partition mounted -- is there a way to install Ubuntu there? I've got a net connection on the box.
[11:06] <frying_fish> and it will go through the tunnel to the remote computers 5900
[11:06] <Intangir> i dont know my experience has been that vnc thru ssh slows it down alot, makes it hardly worth using, vnc is alraedy using compression
[11:07] <frying_fish> ssh has never slowed vnc down for me
[11:07] <azureal> just a random q--anyone know how to install a bootsplash for fluxbox?
[11:07] <npster> A-J: I fixed it
[11:07] <frying_fish> and I like the fact its a lot more secure, and it doesn't matter about any firewall
[11:07] <eigenlambda> lol ya redhat had a lot of uselesl device nodes
[11:07] <mdirc> frying fish: Thanks! Can you tell me where the configuration file is located for the vnc server on a Ubuntu 6.0.6 installation.
[11:07] <frying_fish> Harkins: the livecd should have the option to do that
[11:07] <spc> warbo: are udev and devfs processes, or folders?
[11:07] <mdirc> frying fish: I will use port forwarding, but just curious
[11:07] <frying_fish> mdirc: sorry no, I would guess in /etc somewhere
[11:08] <azureal> oh well, google is my friend =)
[11:08] <frying_fish> seriously, don't try and put it on any other port, especially not 80, that would be a bad plan.
[11:08] <azureal> cheers
[11:08] <Harkins> frying_fish: I'm not seeing one.
[11:08] <trappist> frying_fish: I use -c blowfish when doing things like that over ssh.  blowfish is plenty secure and is a lot faster than the default algorithm.
[11:08] <frying_fish> just use SSH then it doesn't matter what you're company has in the way of firewall
[11:08] <npster> if someone else has a problem with DNS try this: sudo networking-admin, click dns add the rwo DNS addresses and WOila u Have internet :)
[11:08] <frying_fish> Harkins: dapper live cd?
[11:08] <frying_fish> if so, its clearly there as an icon on the desktop
[11:09] <slappy> hello, I wonder if anyone help me get 720x576 with TV out on a 28" Pal TV
[11:09] <Harkins> frying_fish: Nope, no icon. This is a live cd someone hacked together for Macbooks. Any way to do it by hand?
[11:09] <Warbo> spc: devfs was a filesystem which was mounted at /dev. It controlled which devices were created (if you don't have an Atari mouse then you won't get a /dev/atarimouse file) but then it was replaced by udev (dev in userspace) which is a collection of processes (including hotplug and HAL and stuff) which makes sure /dev only contains what it needs to
[11:09] <tritium> npster: do you have Qwest DSL with an Actiontec modem?
[11:09] <MaDSeN> hi
[11:09] <frying_fish> Harkins: not that I know, haven't run that cd.
[11:09] <spc> warbo: oic.  Thanks.
[11:10] <MaDSeN> how is it that I configure locales on my dapper machine here?
[11:10] <ardchoille> trappist: Can I pm you?
[11:10] <frying_fish> I also tend to do installs from the alternate cd.
[11:10] <MaDSeN> please hel
[11:10] <MaDSeN> help
[11:10] <ardchoille> Hi HedgeMage :)
[11:10] <Warbo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales maybe?
[11:10] <Intangir> how do you set up these tunnels?
[11:10] <trappist> ardchoille: if it's for support, I'd rather keep it in here
[11:10] <HedgeMage> hi ardchoille :)
[11:10] <Intangir> frying_fish: how do you set up a tunnel from linux?
[11:11] <ardchoille> trappist: It's not for support, but for info you may like to have
[11:11] <tritium> MaDSeN: System->Administration->Language Support
[11:11] <HedgeMage> ardchoille: get over here! I'm making pancakes for lunch :)
[11:11] <trappist> ardchoille: ok sure
[11:11] <npster> tritium: NO
[11:11] <frying_fish> Intangir: ssh -l 1234:localhost:5900 username@host   (assuming you just want to forward to that end machine)
[11:12] <Amaranth> hey kassetra
[11:12] <npster> I have a problem. Something deletes the DNSs? HELP NOW !!!
[11:12] <tritium> npster: okay.  That requires a prepend-namservers to the dhclient config file to get DNS working properly
[11:12] <kassetra> hey Amaranth.  :)
[11:12] <Ronz> whats the difference between a primary partition and extended partition? just that extended is >5 partitions?
[11:12] <frying_fish> if you have machines A B and C,. machine A can connect to machine B, but not C, B can connect  to either as it is outside the firewall, so from A you want to get to C, you do ssh -l 1234:C:5900 username@host for this example
[11:13] <frying_fish> obviously the first port number can be what ever you want it to be, 1234 is just an easy option, the final port set is the target port you want to get at.
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> frying_fish: as you know about ssh, if you have a pc behind a router with an ip <IP_ADDRESS> and your router ip address on the internet is say <IP_ADDRESS> how would ssh it from the out world?
[11:13] <Intangir> frying_fish: weird.. -l? i thought that was for a different username?
[11:13] <TheGateKeeper> outside world (even ooops)
[11:13] <frying_fish> nope, -L (I forgot to capitalise) local -r remote, -D dynamic
[11:14] <frying_fish> -R for remote even
[11:14] <sanmarcos> is there a way to update from dapper desktop to dapper server?
[11:14] <frying_fish> ssh from the machine behind the router to some outside machine? that is probably allowed anyway, most allow outgoing connections on port 22, so you don't need to do anything.
[11:14] <trappist> frying_fish: and -c blowfish to speed it up, in case I didn't mention it
[11:14] <frying_fish> sanmarcos: just disable all the X based things that boot up.
[11:14] <Dattasmoon> is there a ay to convert ext2 to ext3 or to reiserfs without losing any data?
[11:15] <wheels3572> anyone know of a good FTP Client itself?
[11:15] <trappist> Dattasmoon: only by moving your data out of the way first
[11:15] <frying_fish> trappist: yup you did, didn't know about doing that previously, have never had many issues with it really.
[11:15] <erUSUL> Dattasmoon: ext2 to ext3 is easy
[11:15] <sanmarcos> frying_fish, so ubuntu_server just basically changed their installer so that X isnt included and so on?
[11:15] <trappist> oh yeah, to ext3 is easy
[11:15] <Warbo> Dattasmoon: Ext2 to Ext3 is easy, since they are the same (just add a journal by mounting it as ext3)
[11:15] <tritium> sanmarcos: it also has a different kernel
[11:15] <trappist> just give it a journal
[11:15] <frying_fish> basically, and some other different packages, maybe a kernel optimised differently
[11:15] <Dattasmoon> really? cool
[11:15] <sanmarcos> tritium, what is the difference? just changed the preemption model for the kernel?
[11:15] <spc> if I get this install to finish successfully, will it matter that my ubuntu install is on the slave HD?  Will I need to switch it back to master?
[11:16] <tritium> sanmarcos: I dont recall, sorry
[11:16] <sanmarcos> thanks for the help anyways
[11:16] <erUSUL> Dattasmoon: tune2fs -J /dev/hdxx (on umounted filesystem) iirc
[11:16] <frying_fish> spc: not really, unless ntldr is on the master, at which point grub won't get loaded and you won't be able to boot linux.
[11:16] <Warbo> spc: Once it is installed don't go switching drives around or else you will need to change your /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst files
[11:16] <Tommy2k4> !games
[11:16] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:17] <spc> frying fish / warbo:  thanks.  I won't mess with the drives then!
[11:17] <spc> warbo: dare I ask what fstab is?  (you've already introduced me to /boot/grub/menu.1st)
[11:17] <spc> :)
[11:17] <tracie> Hi, I'm having a little trouble stopping the X server, can anyone help? I have tried both Ctrl+Alt+F1 then changing the run level to 3 and Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, the first does not shut down the process and the second just restarts it. If I try to kill the process it just starts back up again
[11:17] <frying_fish> spc: just make sure grub ((or whichever boot loader you want to use that allows access to linux and windows [assuming dual boot here] ) is on the MBR of the master.
[11:17] <Warbo> !fstab
[11:17] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file lists all drives and partitions that are mounted on the system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !partitions
[11:18] <ryanakca> how do you change the keyboard layout in the console? like vt1, vt2, tty1, tty2, etc?
[11:18] <erUSUL> tracie: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[11:18] <sanmarcos> the root user was "disabled" beginning with Dapper, am I right?
[11:18] <ardchoille> sanmarcos: Before that
[11:18] <erUSUL> sanmarcos: it was always disbled in ubuntu
[11:18] <frying_fish> you can always "enable" it if you want
[11:19] <michael> Could someone help me?  My gnome-panel isn't working and it's taking up 95% of system resources.
[11:19] <Vardis> I using dapper drake when i try to umount cdrom showing that cdrom is busy but i dont hear cdrom spin and cant take out cd
[11:19] <erUSUL> !root > sanmarcos
[11:19] <spc> frying_fish: how do I do that?  I didn't get an option during the (graphical) installer on where to put grub - unless that was supposed to be done on the screen where I selected where to mount /boot and / and /swap....
[11:19] <sanmarcos> erUSUL, I know, I was just curious about the versioning
[11:19] <tritium> sanmarcos: always has been in ubuntu
[11:19] <erUSUL> michael: kill it. it will restart
[11:19] <frying_fish> by default it goes to the MBR of the master hdd, so don't worry.
[11:19] <spc> frying_fish: whew!  good.
[11:20] <michael> erUSUL: I tried.  It doesn't work.  It'll only work if I log on as another user (such as root).
[11:20] <spc> install's been at 15% for several minutes (scanning files).  That's probably not a good sign..
[11:20] <baffled> greetings
[11:20] <toxicfume> Does Ubuntu work out of the box with Acer Laptops' wireless lan that have hard-switches?
[11:20] <frying_fish> you may then need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to decide if you want to see the grub menu, and what you want as the default boot options for it
[11:20] <tritium> toxicfume: depends on the wireless chipset
[11:20] <RoninGurl> What's the command to reinitiate the xserver configuration script/program. I need to get it to accept a higher resolution than 1024x768, maybe even 1680x1050 if it is nice to me.
[11:21] <tritium> RoninGurl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:21] <ardchoille> RoninGurl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:21] <michael> erUSUL: It restarts, but the menus don't appear, and the hide buttons don't work.
[11:21] <baffled> trying to install 6.06 (have tried server, desktop and alternate) and get a lack of video even after selecting text mode for installation.
[11:21] <RoninGurl> Is that a configuration wizard? Or does it require more knowledge?
[11:22] <cica> hi guys
[11:22] <ardchoille> RoninGurl: I know an 8 year old who was able to get through it on her own ;)
[11:22] <Vardis> baffled try vga=775 befor starting instalation
[11:22] <RoninGurl> ardchoille, that's sure reassuring that my intellect is lesser than an 8yr old hacker chick.
[11:22] <baffled> vardis: k, will do
[11:22] <ardchoille> RoninGurl: haha
[11:22] <cica> can anyone advise of good software to use for viewing mpegs etc etc?
[11:23] <Vardis> cica mplayer
[11:23] <RoninGurl> The real problem is the fact that every distro has its own configuration thing. I thought it was in /something/x11/bin/xorgcfg
[11:23] <Intangir> mplayer definately
[11:23] <TheGateKeeper> ardchoille: has more cred when you say your grandfather :-)
[11:23] <FifaFrazer> vlc media pleyer
[11:23] <cica> Vardis: thanks I'll take a look for it
[11:23] <bala> does anyone know ther link to upgrade from breezy to dapper
[11:23] <ardchoille> TheGateKeeper: lol
[11:23] <Intangir> im not sure how it kicks so much ass but mplayer has been able to play EVERY VIDEO ive tried on it
[11:23] <Intangir> which is more than i can say for any windows crap
[11:24] <michael> could anyone else advise?   gnome-panel isn't working.  menus dont appear, and it won't restart properly after killall.  also the hide buttons don't work.
[11:24] <Vardis> bala easylinux.info has manual on english :)
[11:24] <FifaFrazer> also wmv's ?
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> cica: any will do so long as you have the codeecs
[11:24] <bala> k
[11:24] <Intangir> ya it plays wmvcs
[11:24] <Vardis> FifaFrazer, yes
[11:24] <TheGateKeeper> codecs I mean
[11:24] <Warbo> Anyone know why Listen isn't working? It is giving an error about locale (I can pastebin if anyone wants). I recently cleared out a load of packages, so it may have crappy dependencies that didn't keep stuff it needs
[11:24] <Intangir> you have to get the codecs though ya
[11:24] <michael> bala: did you check out the guide?
[11:24] <erUSUL> michael: !! first time i see this... can you log out and log in??
[11:25] <Intangir> which i got all in one package ;)
[11:25] <frying_fish> cica: vlc
[11:25] <frying_fish> don't need to mess with the w32codecs if you use vlc
[11:25] <Intangir> but vlc cant play everything
[11:25] <spc> install seems to be stuck at 15% - how can I find out what's going on / kick start something / help?!
[11:25] <frying_fish> ok, you won't get wmv version 3 full support yet, but its much simpler.
[11:25] <Intangir> and its video/sound are out of sync
[11:25] <abo> how do we invite someone to an msn conversation in gaim?
[11:25] <frying_fish> Intangir: not for me its not
[11:25] <baffled> vardis: you mean F6 (other options) and then add vga=775 to the boot options, right?
[11:25] <benx213> there isnt much to mess with: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[11:25] <Vardis> baffled, yes
[11:25] <michael> erUSUL: when i restart, I get the log in screen, but after logging in, there's no menus.
[11:25] <frying_fish> it works flawlessly for me, ok I don't have the wmv9 support yet, but then I just don't get wmv9 stuff.
[11:26] <Intangir> benx213: its not in the repositories anymore i dont think
[11:26] <subdee> hey, what options do I add to the xorg.conf file to enable tv-out for an ATI card?
[11:26] <Intangir> i had to download a deb from some website i think
[11:26] <frying_fish> benx213: still more as you have to apt-get install w32codecs mplayer instead of just vlc
[11:26] <Intangir> it tells you where in the wiki though
[11:26] <frying_fish> subdee: use aticonfig
[11:26] <baffled> vardis:  same result 'cannot display this video mode'
[11:26] <frying_fish> Intangir: exactly, more hassle, for not really any gain
[11:26] <benx213> you should have enable universe and multiverse repositories
[11:26] <Intangir> ya alot of gain
[11:26] <Intangir> it plays EVERY FORMAT
[11:26] <Intangir> vlc cant
[11:26] <cica> frying_fish: thanks I'll take a look
[11:26] <Intangir> you set it up once, never monkey with it again, ever
[11:27] <Intangir> and everything works. great ;)
[11:27] <ardchoille> !away > bipolar_gone
[11:27] <Vardis> baffled, then sorry i has no more ideas im ony newby to :/
[11:27] <Intangir> also you can use mplayer to rip streams
[11:27] <frying_fish> mplayer uses windows dll's in a dirty way
[11:27] <frying_fish> instead of using the other implementations, the only thing that vlc doesn't do is wmv9
[11:27] <Intangir> which means it doesnt have to wait for any of those codecs to be supported on linux
[11:27] <frying_fish> and I found it to be better at dvb-t than mplayer.
[11:27] <Intangir> cause most of them never will be
[11:27] <baffled> vardis: k, p, thx for the idea.
[11:27] <erUSUL> michael: right click in the panel and choose add to panel in the list you can see the menus... try adding them
[11:27] <frying_fish> this isn't the place for media player disputes anyway
[11:28] <abo> frying_fish, do you know what can play wmv well ?
[11:28] <sanmarcos> !aptitude sanmarcos
[11:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about aptitude sanmarcos - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:28] <michael> erUSUL: It doesn't respond.
[11:28] <sanmarcos> aptitude rocks, heh :)
[11:28] <toxicfume> Does Ubuntu work out of the box with Acer Laptops' wireless lan that have hard-switches? My Wireless card is an Intel Wireless 2200B/G
[11:28] <npster_> can someone make a script that constantly checks /etc/resolv.conf for nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> and it it is alone then adds 2 strings ?
[11:28] <spc> ok, how long do I wait on the installer before rebooting?  Any other suggestions?
[11:28] <frying_fish> I find vlc handles version 1 and 2 fine, but not 3, due tothe drm, but thats being worked on, and mplayer / xine / anything that uses w32codecs will play it fine
[11:28] <Harkins> What's the package name for the installer?
[11:28] <abo> frying_fish, I used to play them in ubuntu, the same files now after I reinstalled ubuntu do not play anymore, infact they play with no sound
[11:28] <Intangir> abo: mplayer duuur
[11:28] <mwe> toxicfume: ipw2200 is very well supported in linux at least
[11:28] <frying_fish> toxicfume: that wireless should be fine.
[11:28] <Warbo> Can anybody help me with a Listen problem? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19437
[11:28] <erUSUL> michael: !!?? i do not know what to do next...
[11:28] <michael> erUSUL: The only thing that works is switching between apps.
[11:29] <michael> erUSUL: hmm.. too bad.
[11:29] <bala> will updating to lts 6.06 make it dapper distro
[11:29] <mwe> toxicfume: but I think you need to download the firmware yourself as it's not allowed to redistribute it
[11:29] <frying_fish> yes
[11:29] <Harkins> bala: yes
[11:29] <bala> k tyvm
[11:29] <abo> Intangir, it does not!
[11:29] <Warbo> bala: Not if you use a crap theme :)
[11:29] <frying_fish> firmware for 2200?
[11:29] <michael> someone help me please?!  gnome-panel is messed up! :(
[11:29] <bala> :)
[11:29] <mwe> frying_fish: yes
[11:29] <frying_fish> the kernel has some stuff built in, that works fine.
[11:29] <abo> Intangir, no sound ... (that's for me)
[11:29] <toxicfume> mwe and frying_fish: but the problem is that my laptop has a hardswitch for the wireless card that is turned off by default on the computers startup. I have had problems other with Linux distributions not detecting the hardswitch
[11:29] <mwe> frying_fish: it needs firmware still
[11:29] <gnomefreak> michael: whats wrong with it
[11:30] <frying_fish> My wireless Intel Pro Wireless 2200 worked straight out of the box
[11:30] <bala> why is the background dookie brown
[11:30] <frying_fish> no having to go get different firmware,
[11:30] <mwe> frying_fish: at least until 3 months ago
[11:30] <erUSUL> Warbo: which locale are you using? it works for me here
[11:30] <Warbo> bala: See wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth :)
[11:30] <mwe> frying_fish: and the dapper kernel is older
[11:30] <frying_fish> toxicfume: look in the bios, you could probably do it in there.
[11:30] <bala> k
[11:30] <Vardis> michael, meiby try to renistall it. I mean remove and instal agein
[11:30] <toxicfume> frying_fish: i've looked, there is no option
[11:30] <frying_fish> mwe: I didn't have to download *anything* to get the wireless on mine working.
[11:30] <baffled> anyone have any ideas about how to deal with no video in text mode after the installer loads syslogd and klogd?
[11:30] <npster_> Where do I download game packadges ?
[11:30] <gnomefreak> !games > npster_
[11:30] <mwe> frying_fish: I see. It must have changed then
[11:31] <toxicfume> frying_fish, mwe: the wireless hardswitch only starts if the OS starts it
[11:31] <gnomefreak> npster_: please read your pm
[11:31] <frying_fish> hell, it even works in the livecd, straight on boot, no need to go grab firmware from the sf page.
[11:31] <MaDSeN> hey.. back
[11:31] <Warbo> erUSUL: en-gb. I recently went through debfoster clearing out a lot (A LOT) of unused stuff, so that may have affected it (but I have "python-all")
[11:31] <michael> gnomefreak: everything.  the only thing that works is switching between apps.  It's using 95% system resources too.
[11:31] <frying_fish> toxicfume: check then on the wiki, it may have been done
[11:31] <michael> gnomefreak: it only works if i log on as root.
[11:31] <gnomefreak> michael: killall gnome-panel and let me know if it fixes it
[11:31] <erUSUL> Warbo: utf8?
[11:31] <mwe> frying_fish: or maybe ubuntu got permission to redistribute it
[11:31] <cica> TheGateKeeper: what do you mean by codeecs
[11:31] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: google say: export LC_ALL=C and then startx
[11:31] <Warbo> erUSUL: Ermm....
[11:31] <michael> gnomefreak: no, that doesn't work.
[11:31] <MaDSeN> what am I doing wrong... I want my system character set to iso-8859-15  how do I do that?
[11:31] <frying_fish> mwe: its just using the stuff with the kernel......
[11:32] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: I have to restart X? Damn it
[11:32] <frying_fish> I am pretty sure if you just grab vanilla source from kernelorg and compiledit it would wor
[11:32] <frying_fish> k
[11:32] <erUSUL> MaDSeN: why would you want that?
[11:32] <Vardis> how to umount cdrom if it is unused but misteriosly locked?
[11:32] <michael> Vardis: I'll try that. You mean not just reinstall in synaptic, but remove, and then install right?
[11:32] <subdee> frying_fish, i've tried it and although the tv flickers, it doesn't show anything and it returns error code 7
[11:32] <Warbo> "sudo eject /dev/whatever"
[11:32] <gnomefreak> michael: sudo apt-get install --reinstall gnome-panel    than restart gnome
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> cica: can't type tonight, codecs, like w32codecs and libxine-extracodecs
[11:32] <mwe> frying_fish: last I checked "the stuff in the kernel" needed firmware to work
[11:32] <MaDSeN> erUSUL: because Im in europe an use european letters?
[11:33] <Vardis> michael, yes but i'm not shore if it work
[11:33] <abo> !w32codecs
[11:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:33] <frying_fish> well I know I certainly didn't have to go download any firmware from anywhere separately, ubuntu definately had it by default
[11:33] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: no pain, no gain :-)
[11:33] <mwe> frying_fish: yes
[11:33] <mwe> frying_fish: that's great
[11:33] <frying_fish> will have to see about slack 11 when that comes out,
[11:33] <cica> TheGateKeeper: I'm a first time user of this... so w32codecs and libxine-extracodecs are over my knowledge base ;-)
[11:33] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: I will just use Amarok then, but that takes loads of resources (funny that, sicne Listen is Python :))
[11:34] <ivank> i've installe dnew motherboard and now my ubuntu doenst boot
[11:35] <michael> gnomefreak: how to restart gnome?  should i reboot?
[11:35] <subdee> frying_fish, any ideas? google is not helping :(
[11:35] <Ronz> ivank, new mobo = new drivers
[11:35] <erUSUL> MaDSeN: i'm european and i use utf8 that supports it just fine iso-8859-15 is being obsoleted by unicode (utf8 in unix utf16 in java and windows)
[11:35] <subdee> gnomefreak, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[11:35] <gnomefreak> michael: ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:35] <gnomefreak> subdee: yes i know
[11:35] <gnomefreak> ;)
[11:35] <frying_fish> sorry, subdee I gave up on TV out from my ATi card a long time back, that and it can only power 2 outputs at once, so dual monitor and tv won't work
[11:35] <subdee> sorry, wrong name
[11:35] <MaDSeN> erUSUL: also  letters?
[11:35] <michael> gnomefreak: thanks.   i'll be back.
[11:35] <lilbit> I don't remember exactly who, but I got banned from here a while ago, and now I have been let back, and I just want to say thank you for forgiving me and for not holding a grudge
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: there are quite a few google entries on the subject
[11:35] <lilbit> The ubuntu communityu is beautiful
[11:35] <lilbit> relatively speaking
[11:36] <MaDSeN> erUSUL: it wont when i write via terminal  (ssh, irssi=
[11:36] <subdee> thanks or your help frying_fish
[11:36] <tritium> That was nice, lilbit.  :)
[11:36] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: It worked fine before, and the only major thing I can think of is my 1.3GB clearout of packages. Listen may have badly set dependencies and I've got rid of a package it needs
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> cica: they are packages that you install either using gui like Adept or Synaptic, or the cli and apt-get install, but you need to ensure the repos you want are enabled, have you used windows much?
[11:37] <CJ492> any suggestions how to troubleshoot an ssh connection to my Ubuntu server, I can connect locally using Ubuntu on my laptop but when I try to connect remotely using myserver.dyndns.org it keeps giving me password errors????
[11:38] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: what about a reinstall?
[11:38] <erUSUL> MaDSeN: i have not seen the letters you tiped in my terminal with irssi... tell me if you see
[11:38] <spc> ok, I starting to think I must have a hardware problem.  Anyone know exactly what the red led on the front of the computer means, and what it means if it goes out until a restart?
[11:38] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: Of the entire system or just Listen?
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: no just Listen
[11:39] <ardchoille> spc: most likely the hdd light, means the hdd is busy
[11:39] <MaDSeN> erUSUL: I do see it... but makes no sense to me.... these are special danish letters im trying to get to show properly in terminal
[11:39] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: Oh. Doing it now
[11:39] <ubuntu_> Hi, I'm resizing an NTFS partition using the Ubuntu installer and it seems to be taking a long time. Does anyone know how long it's meant to take? Resizing from ~155 gig to 120
[11:40] <spc> ardchoille: that's what I had originally thought.  Looks like I'm off to google - don't remember how to troubleshoot this very well.
[11:40] <Warbo> ubuntu_: I find about 40GB/hour on some systems which are badly fragmented and slow anyway
[11:40] <CJ492> SSH PASSWORD ISSUE: any suggestions how to troubleshoot an ssh connection to my Ubuntu server, I can connect locally using Ubuntu on my laptop but when I try to connect remotely using myserver.dyndns.org it keeps giving me password errors????
[11:40] <ubuntu_> Warbo: Cheers
[11:41] <tritium> !caps
[11:41] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[11:41] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: It is usually a good idea to re-enable the right repositories when trying to reinstall an app :) Silly me
[11:41] <erUSUL> MaDSeN: you can use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' and 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure localeconf' to reconfigure your locales
[11:41] <CJ492> :) sorry...
[11:41] <mwe> CJ492: not connection refused?
[11:41] <CJ492> nope, asks for password then get "permission denied" or something very close to that...
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: has been known to help :-)
[11:41] <tritium> MaDSeN: System->administration->Language Support (as I said earlier)
[11:41] <tich> i'm having crazy problems connecting to the internet. i can only (with some luck) do it with a direct connection to the modem. the router will sometimes show a signal (for wireless) but i can never connect with it, either wired or wireless. can anyone help?
[11:41] <Lard-O-Lad> can someone advise with the Synaptics Touchpad Drivers for X.Org (ubuntu default), or that for X.Org/XFree86???
[11:42] <npster_> I have something to report. It might not be a bug but a issue that has to be resolved ?
[11:42] <npster_> Where ?
[11:42] <erUSUL> !bugs
[11:42] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <Aldoliel> CJ492, Have you set the SSH server to allow remote connections? And does the user have the required permissions?
[11:42] <mwe> CJ492: is the host allowed to connect? I think sshd can be configured to disallow certain hosts. did you go over the config file?
[11:43] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: I keep asking M$ for a 'read my mind' button on visual studio but so far no luck :-(
[11:43] <feugan3333> Is there anything to be done about the error: Failed to fetch http://za.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2  MD5Sum mismatch ?
[11:43] <CJ492> Aldoliel / mwe:  Yes I did go over the config file and it did work once serveral weeks ago.  Not sure what would have changed but I can go over the file again.
[11:43] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: I'm getting a 404 for the repo. Does it work for you? "deb http://theli.free.fr/packages/dapper/ ./"
[11:43] <npster_> It is not a bug it is a suggestion. Where do I do that ?
[11:44] <mwe> CJ492: I would to rule it out
[11:44] <Warbo> There is usually a wishlist in bug trackers
[11:44] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: me too :-(
[11:44] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: Then I'm off to find some mirrors
[11:44] <erUSUL> npster_: it is the same the site redirects you to launchpad where you can make suggestions afaik
[11:45] <CJ492> Aldoliel / mwe:  I did have an issue where I was putting in the password and didn't realize the "numlock" button was set on my laptop, therefore it was using numbers and not my text for the passcode.  Is there a security setting where SSH will "lock" someone out after so many attempts?  I thought by logging in locally it would releive such an issue...
[11:45] <npster_> !bugs
[11:45] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu, please report it at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[11:45] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: this works: deb http://theli.free.fr/packages/ dapper listen on their web page
[11:46] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: http://listengnome.free.fr/
[11:46] <mwe> Warbo: I think it should say "deb http://theli.free.fr/packages/ dapper ./"
[11:46] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: Thanks, I'll try it
[11:47] <Ignite_> !ati
[11:47] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:47] <npster_> how do  I know if i have installed WINE ?
[11:47] <CJ492> mwe:  What again is the proper file name for the ssh config file?
[11:47] <MaDSeN> tritium: i know you're trying to help.. but it just dont help me... I've sat all i can to Danish
[11:47] <MaDSeN> tritium: terminal still does not show my letters
[11:47] <tritium> MaDSeN: okay, sorry
[11:47] <jvai> hey peeps, sorry i'm late for class
[11:47] <Vladaz> hello
[11:48] <Aldoliel> npster_, Check in Synaptic, or using aptitude
[11:48] <cius> wow, well that sucks
[11:48] <Warbo> TheGateKeeper: Repo works thanks, now trying Listen again
[11:48] <tich> can someone help me set up/fix a network?
[11:48] <Vladaz> does anyone have programmed software or games under ubuntu?
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> npster_: synaptic will tell you what you have installed, broken etc
[11:48] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: excellent good luck :-)
[11:48] <Aldoliel> tich, What're you trying to do?
[11:48] <Warbo> AA! Same error :(
[11:49] <cius> apparently, the gcc version that comes with the current build-essential either has a bug or handles things really differently than the one used on the servers at my school
[11:49] <mwe> npster_: search in synaptic or dpkg -l|grep wine
[11:49] <Vladaz> anyone?
[11:49] <tich> Aldoliel, well i have a wireless router that i used to connect to but i restarted my computer and it won't reconnect, not even with a wire.
[11:49] <Warbo> cius: GCC 4.0 comes with build-essential, since that is what the Dapper kernel is built with (kernel modules need to be built with the same version as the kernel)
[11:49] <Vladaz> has anyone programmed games or software on ubuntu?
[11:50] <spc> trying install once again.  What should I mount the windows HD as?
[11:50] <tomas_> hello, after upgrading my comp now has no more SOUNDS
[11:50] <facugaich> Vladaz: lots of ppl have
[11:50] <tomas_> what can i do to correct this
[11:50] <Warbo> Vladaz: I'm attempting to learn :)
[11:50] <Vladaz> what can you recommend me
[11:50] <Vladaz> i was recommended to use anjuta
[11:50] <jvai>  i tried to get ODD WORLD to run under wine, but no go
[11:50] <facugaich> Vladaz: yeah, I use it
[11:50] <Vladaz> but it doesn't work
[11:50] <wheels3572> Anyone in here know of any good FFtp clients and not the server
[11:50] <Aldoliel> tich, As in the connection light on the router doesn't come on?
[11:50] <Warbo> Vladaz: Python, Mono or (if you are used to VB) Gambas
[11:50] <facugaich> Vladaz: How come?
[11:50] <Aldoliel> When you use a cable that is#
[11:50] <gputer> hi all
[11:50] <sethk> Vladaz, anjuta is a good tool for c++ development
[11:51] <gputer> i have ubuntu6
[11:51] <gputer> on my laptop
[11:51] <Vladaz> then i found out, that i haven't got gcc, i've downloaded through apt-get gcc and make
[11:51] <sethk> Vladaz, but I just use text editors (vi, emacs) and cli
[11:51] <gputer> and i have a toshiba satellite.. i can't get my wireless working
[11:51] <mwe> jvai: most programs don't work with wine
[11:51] <gputer> :(
[11:51] <Vladaz> but it doesn't compile still
[11:51] <sethk> Vladaz, apt-get install developer-essential
[11:51] <rendo> How do you convert a .mds/mdf file to .iso?
[11:51] <rendo> Or is there any way to mount those files to work natively with Linux?
[11:51] <sethk> Vladaz, if it still doesn't compile, put the error onto the paste 'bot
[11:51] <Warbo> rendo: Do you mean .md5?
[11:51] <jvai> lol.. mwe, i was told that the wine in the ubuntu repos was outdated
[11:52] <rendo> .mdf and .mds
[11:52] <cius> I don't know where to start fixing the problem between these two compilers
[11:52] <mwe> jvai: not much
[11:52] <Warbo> OK, just that many ISO mirrors offer MD5 sums of the ISOs :)
[11:52] <Vladaz> E: Couldn't find package developer-essential
[11:52] <Vladaz> wtf?
[11:52] <mwe> jvai: all wine versions suck though. some programs and will work though
[11:52] <crimsun> build-essential.
[11:52] <tritium> Vladaz: you mean build-essential?
[11:52] <tich> Aldoliel, there are more people using the router so it the lights on the router are blinking.
[11:52] <Warbo> !universe
[11:52] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[11:52] <jvai> ok
[11:52] <jahshua> hey peeps
[11:52] <cius> app works fine when compiled on one, on the other (4) the prog quits early
[11:52] <gputer> anyone got intel pro 2200 wireless working in ubuntu ?
[11:53] <tritium> gputer: yes
[11:53] <azrael0> gputer: Yes.
[11:53] <gputer> hi.. tritium
[11:53] <jahshua> whats the deal with upgrading from Ubuntu 5.10 to Dapper? can anyone help me out?
[11:53] <gputer> i can't get it going
[11:53] <gputer> how do i do that ?
[11:53] <Aldoliel> tich, Isn't there a light for each cable port?
[11:53] <gputer> i just did a fresh install
[11:53] <tich> Aldoliel, and my computer shows the wireless router (right now it has an 87% signal)
[11:53] <gputer> it detects my card.. but i dont' have the wireless working
[11:53] <holycow> guys ... my  dapper installer always insists on partitioning everything in ext3 when i want reiser
[11:53] <gputer> i created a new location and put in the wep key
[11:53] <gputer> but nothing
[11:53] <tritium> hi gputer.  It should have worked automatically, unless you have WEP or WPA.
[11:53] <azrael0> gputer: lsmod | grep ipw
[11:53] <gputer> i have 128 bit wep key
[11:53] <gputer> ok
[11:53] <holycow> has anyone else seen that situation?
[11:53] <facugaich> !upgrade > jahshua
[11:53] <TheGateKeeper> sethk: never heard of anjunta before, might give it go when I finally get round to doing a bit of linux programming, thanx :-)
[11:54] <jahshua> thanks facugaich :)
[11:54] <mwe> jvai: I think you can get word97 to work with wine for example
[11:54] <tich> Aldoliel, no there isn't a light for each port.
[11:54] <tritium> gputer: man wireless will explain how your /etc/network/interfaces file should be configured
[11:54] <gputer> ipw2100
[11:54] <erUSUL> jvai: echo 'deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list to get the latest wine
[11:54] <dngldoo1> how do I access the 'root' HD partition from the file-roller? I'm trying to recover some deleted files
[11:54] <feugan3333> word97, gross
[11:54] <gputer> if i do iwconfig eth1
[11:54] <Aldoliel> tich, Is it that you can't get to the web wirelessly, or that you can't access shared drives/printers/etc on the network?
[11:54] <gputer> it says no wireless extensions
[11:55] <azrael0> gputer: Try just iwconfig, maybe it decided not to call it eth1 for some reason.
[11:55] <erUSUL> gputer: and iwconfig -a ??
[11:55] <gputer> doing that gives me
[11:55] <gputer> lo no wireless
[11:55] <gputer> eth 1 no wireless
[11:55] <TheGateKeeper> Warbo: time for me to sling my hook, if all else fails give google a go :-) hope you succeed :-)
[11:55] <gputer> eth0 no wireless
[11:55] <gputer> sit0 no wireless
[11:55] <Vladaz> how can I copy the build message
[11:55] <azrael0> gputer: OK. Then I don't know, sorry.
[11:55] <Vladaz> couse the right mouse button doesn't work
[11:55] <tritium> gputer: please dont hit enter so often :)
[11:55] <tich> i can't get on the web if i use the router. neither wirelessly nor with a wire will work.
[11:55] <dngldoo1> accessing /media/ gives only hda1/, hdd5/ and hdd6/
[11:56] <tich> Aldoliel, i can't get on the web if i use the router. neither wirelessly nor with a wire will work.
[11:56] <erUSUL> tich: sudo dhclient ethx does not work??
[11:56] <cius> is it okay to have gcc-4.0 and gcc-3.4 installed side-by-side?
[11:56] <mwe> cius: yes
[11:56] <vvheritagevv> cius: yes
[11:56] <Aldoliel> tich, In Networking settings, is everything good? DNS servers specifically?
[11:56] <cius> awesome, might solve my problem, thanks
[11:56] <gputer> ok.. no problem tritium :)
[11:56] <erUSUL> cius: in breezy you needed 3.4 to compile kernel modules iirc
[11:56] <mwe> cius: usually you then use export CC=gcc-3.4 to use 3.4
[11:56] <tich> erUSUL, i've never heard of that i'll give it a try, what does it do?
[11:56] <gputer> any other idea on how i can get my wireless working
[11:57] <vvheritagevv> cius: you just have to specify the one you want to use
[11:57] <gputer> is there no way to get something like nm-applet working ..like i have in suse ?
[11:57] <erUSUL> tich: try to get configured by the dhcpd of the router
[11:57] <Aldoliel> Sometimes my router is a bit temperamental with giving out DNS servers over DHCP for some reason
[11:57] <cius> mwe, so I can export CC=gcc-4.0 later on to go back?
[11:57] <tich> Aldoliel, this is going to sound dumb but i am uncertain what the DNS is.
[11:57] <Vladaz> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/kOYHGf26.html
[11:58] <mwe> gputer: first you need to figure if there is a linux native driver for your card and if so if you have it loaded. if not use ndiswrapper to use a windows driver
[11:58] <Vladaz> thats what i get when i press F11
[11:58] <jvai> sorry peeps bac
[11:58] <Vladaz> what's wrong?
[11:58] <lemac> hi
[11:58] <mwe> cius: it's not nesesarry
[11:58] <gputer> great mwe.. but i think intel pro 2100 and 2200 are natively supported
[11:58] <erUSUL> cius: the default compiler is 4.0 you can use 3.4 by exporting CC
[11:58] <tritium> gputer: they are
[11:58] <mwe> cius: unless it's the same session in the same console
[11:58] <tich> erUSUL, dhcp is turned off right now. should i turn it back on?
[11:58] <gputer> then tritum.. why can't i get it to work ?
[11:58] <mwe> gputer: yes and very well too
[11:58] <jvai> yea, i got the intel 2100 in this t40
[11:58] <mwe> gputer: is the ipw2200 module loaded?
[11:58] <Aldoliel> tich. Dhcp would need to be on i think
[11:59] <gputer> how do i know that mwe ?
[11:59] <cius> ah ok, thanks
[11:59] <lemac> sudo: unable to lookup paolo-laptop via gethostbyname()
[11:59] <lemac>  what does it mean?
[11:59] <erUSUL> tich: i do not know.. how do you connect now configuring the interface by hand
[11:59] <mwe> jvai: didn't you need to download firmware though?
[11:59] <NChief> when are the forums up?
[11:59] <mwe> gputer: type lsmod|grep ipw in a term
[11:59] <erUSUL> tich: static ip, gateaway, dns etc??
[11:59] <jvai> nope, hoary found it nicely
[11:59] <Aldoliel> And the DNS is how webpage urls are converted to IP's to retrieve them
[11:59] <basilio> DOES Ubuntu have some form of SYSTEM RESTORE?
[11:59] <gputer> mwe it gives me ipw2100 88628 0 and ieee80211 37064 1 ipw2100
[12:00] <tich> erUSUL, i've been using a static ip (mostly for torrents)
[12:00] <erUSUL> !caps > basilio
[12:00] <mwe> jvai: according to ipw2200.sf.net you need binary firmware to use the linux kernel driver for ipw2200
[12:00] <mwe> gputer: but isn't it ipw2200?
[12:00] <tritium> mwe: it already provided.  She doesnt need to download that
[12:00] <azrael0> mwe: That may be possible, but I'v eused the ipw2200 without a firmware upgrade before.
[12:00] <mindfunk_win> so,,, how do I get binutils?
[12:00] <gputer> mwe:: yes i think so.. but unsure
[12:00] <jvai> oh well, i'm using the 2100 wifi anyways
[12:01] <mwe> tritium: ubuntu comes with none free software. I didn't think so
[12:01] <mindfunk_win> I tried "apt-get install binutils" and nada


[06:23] <xu-help21w> Hi i need help with dummy output
[06:24] <xu-help21w> if my sound card is not supported my Alsa can i not have sound?
[07:09] <mat001> probably
[07:09] <mat001> Have you tried settings in Pulse Audio?
[07:10] <orqcxha> I think we lost them
[09:27] <xu-help13w> Glitch issue after screen sleep
[09:32] <leroyrush007> hey
[21:52] <saintdude> hi


[23:38] <Takyoji> Anyone know if there's a plugin for Firefox for playing videos on YouTube for example on a native program like totem or vlc for example instead of using the Flash-based player (which can be a bit slow, due to the slowness of Adobe Flash Player)?
[23:41] <Takyoji> Because I'm just going to make one if nobody has already...
[23:41] <Takyoji> And perhaps of which would even have a save function as well for videos


[23:36] <pleia2> doctormo: have some time to talk about -materials?
[23:36] <doctormo> pleia2: about to out for date night, would you like to talk about it tomorrow?
[23:37] <pleia2> doctormo: I have a friend coming in tomorrow, but I should be able to find some time :) I'll nudge you then
[23:37] <doctormo> great
[23:37] <pleia2> have fun!
[23:37] <doctormo> As a quick line though before I head out, I think our best bet is to nail ben down to a chair somewhere at UDS and get him to get other people to write a process, the software for the process and the materials.
[23:38]  * pleia2 grins
[23:38] <pleia2> I kinda figured thats where we were at


[06:08] <Seony> PotatoGim: Joplin 번역자로도 계시는군요 ㅎㅎ
[06:08] <Seony> 근데 Joplin 쓸만한가요? 데본씽크 대체제를 찾고있는데, 데본씽크를 대체할만한 프로그램은 진짜 없긴 없는 것 같네요
[06:36] <PotatoGim> 아하... 요새는 신경을 쓰지 못하고 있습니다 ㅜ
[06:37] <PotatoGim> 데이터가 많으면 WebDAV 동기화가 조금 느릴 때가 있는 점이 있는데 요건 전용 서버로 대체가 가능하고...
[06:37] <PotatoGim> 데이터가 많아지면 인터페이스 자체가 조금 느려질 때가 있는 정도?가 있는 것 같습니다 ㅎㅎ
[06:37] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 데본씽크가 워낙 쓰기 편하고 단순해서인지, 대체제를 찾기 어렵더라구요
[06:40] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 아 혹시 데본을 안써보셔서 비교가 어려우실려나요
[06:42] <PotatoGim> 옙 ㅜ 보통 선택할 때에 크로스플랫폼을 따지고 시작해서... ㅜ
[06:42] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 아오 저도 처음부터 그랬어야했는데, 발을 잘못 담궈서 ㅎㅎ
[06:43] <PotatoGim> 다음 선택지가 있다면 웹 인터페이스를 제공하는 녀석을 선택할 것 같습니다 ㅜ
[06:44] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 접근성 때문에요?
[06:47] <PotatoGim> 옙 ㅜ BookStack이나 Standard Notes도 괜찮은 것 같아서 계속 지켜보고 있네요 ㅜ
[06:48] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 음 그렇군요. 검색해보니 대부분의 노트 프로그램이 웹을 제공하는게 거의 없다시피 하네요
[06:48] <PotatoGim> 어차피 LaTeX은 Overleaf 만한게 없을 것 같고... 위키는 기존 위키 마이그레이션이 답이 없을 것 같고...
[06:48] <FoxMaSk> hello 👋
[06:48] <PotatoGim> Joplin이 뷰어 정도는 개발 중이긴 한데 아직은 갈 길이 멀 것 같습니다 ㅎㅎ
[06:49] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 음 오픈소스라 한계가 있지싶군요
[06:49] <PotatoGim> 👋
[06:49] <Slack-bot_> Seony : hi
[06:49] <PotatoGim> 옙 ㅜ 그나마 아직까지는 Joplin이 무난한데... 근래에는 Standard Notes가 평이 좋아서 테스트를 고민 중입니다 ㅎㅎ
[06:50] <FoxMaSk> do you use joplin from joplinapp.org ?
[06:50] <Slack-bot_> Seony : 아하 그렇군요. 저도 좀 살펴봐야겠네요
[06:53] <PotatoGim> @FoxMaSk: I'm using it as AppImage provided from distro repo :) It is probably provided by official website(joplinapp.org).
[06:53] <FoxMaSk> I left joplin for simple file in markdown I make on Linux with Typora and sync file with syncthing on my smartphone and I read / edit them with Epsilon (android)
[06:54] <FoxMaSk> it's the lighter solution I found :)
[06:54] <FoxMaSk> I made a lot of projects for joplin but I gave up
[06:55] <FoxMaSk> https://discourse.joplinapp.org/t/joplin-web-web-application-companion-for-joplin/555 (the most read thread ;)
[06:56] <Slack-bot_> Seony : FoxMask: have you ever used macos and devonthink?
[06:57] <FoxMaSk> PotatoGim: as long as that does the job for our own needs it's fine :)
[06:57] <FoxMaSk> Seony: no, I don't have MacOS
[06:58] <Slack-bot_> Seony : hm i’m looking for a DevonThink alternative for linux/windows but, it’s not easy to find.
[06:58] <FoxMaSk> why ?
[06:58] <FoxMaSk> Seony: that does not fill your needs now ?
[06:59] <Slack-bot_> Seony : devonthink is something else.  if you haven’t heard about devon, you never know what it is.  devon is one of the main reasons why people buy a mac.
[06:59] <FoxMaSk> ha
[06:59] <Slack-bot_> Seony : even for me, i bought a mac mini to use devon.
[06:59] <FoxMaSk> ^_^
[07:00] <FoxMaSk> did you try https://alternativeto.net/ ?
[07:00] <Slack-bot_> Seony : yes, that website showed me Joplin.
[07:00] <Slack-bot_> Seony : i installed it 🙂
[07:00] <FoxMaSk> lol
[07:00] <FoxMaSk> ok :D
[07:00] <Slack-bot_> Seony : i’ll try later.  since i have a presentation on wednesday, i want to focus on this.
[07:01] <FoxMaSk> sure
[07:02] <FoxMaSk> if devonthink makes pure file in markdown, and you're fine with that, joplin can be a little bit annoying as markdown file are manage diffrently
[07:03] <Slack-bot_> Seony : that should be fine for me.  i’m just looking for something like “personal document/notes management software”
[07:05] <FoxMaSk> you'll tell me once you make some tests
[07:13] <FoxMaSk> 좋은 하루 ^_*
[07:13] <PotatoGim> FoxMaSk: Wow, I've seen this project :) I'm thinking of changing Joplin to something else support the web interface(such as BookStack or Standard Notes)
[07:14] <FoxMaSk> PotatoGim: I see :)
[07:16] <FoxMaSk> PotatoGim: i gave up that idea (i didnt want to pay for a hosting solution) and kept syncthing on linux/android and edit with typora/epsilon ;)


[02:59] <ejat> yofel : u here?
[07:34] <jussi> Was someone working on the ownclod packaging?
[07:55] <soee> good morning
[08:22] <jussi> morning soee!
[08:36] <soee> yohoho :)
[08:36] <soee> 4.10 RC1 soon
[09:42] <allee> mtp
[09:42] <allee> mtp
[10:15] <Riddell> jussi: I've done bits, why?
[10:28]  * apachelogger stares at Riddell
[10:29]  * Riddell is used to stares, being so good looking and all
[10:29] <apachelogger> oh noes, my stare has failed
[10:30] <Riddell> umm, did I forget to put out the recycling last night?
[10:33]  * apachelogger is in a troll mood
[10:33] <Riddell> ok I give up, what have I done wrong?
[10:33] <apachelogger> nothing
[10:34] <apachelogger> just trolling :P
[10:34] <apachelogger> unless
[10:34] <apachelogger> did you write the new qml systray?
[10:34] <Riddell> not one of my acomplishments that
[10:34] <apachelogger> too bad
[10:36] <apachelogger>     property variant  __att_icon:          __has_task ? task.attIcon : __getDefaultIcon()  <- attIcon is always a QIcon, __getDefaultIcon is either a QString or a QIcon ... that is an actual type variant, in that its type depends on the moon
[11:19] <Quintasan> \o
[11:47] <jussi> o/
[12:45]  * apachelogger may be able to do useful things soonish again :P
[13:02] <rbelem> hi all :-)
[13:03] <rbelem> Riddell, hi :-)
[13:05] <rbelem> Riddell, i have more changes for icecc. if you have some time to take a look on it... :-) media.rbelem.info/icecc_0.9.8~git2012121601-0ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz media.rbelem.info/icecc_0.9.8~git2012121601.orig.tar.bz2
[13:06] <rbelem> Riddell, now with libcap-ng :-)
[13:16] <apachelogger> jussi, agateau: sni-qt icons fixed
[13:17] <jussi> apachelogger: nice
[13:18] <jussi> apachelogger: fixed upstream?
[13:18] <apachelogger> yes
[13:18] <apachelogger> now I can continue triaging bugs
[13:18] <apachelogger> lol
[13:31] <Riddell> rbelem: groovy, all upstream?
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you still need amarok tested?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> yes please
[13:36] <Riddell> mm, actualy not sure that'll work in a chroot or an ec2
[13:36] <shadeslayer> you're on raring?
[13:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1088772] Broken icons in plasma tray @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1088772 (by xapienz)
[13:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[13:38] <shadeslayer> test the raring package in -proposed ?
[13:39]  * shadeslayer is still perplexed as to how lastfm stuff worked without us shipping the lib that's needed
[13:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: amarok depends on liblastfm1, what else is needed?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> nah, we didn't ship usr/lib/libamarok_service_lastfm_shared.so
[13:41] <shadeslayer> !find usr/lib/libamarok_service_lastfm_shared.so quantal
[13:41] <Riddell> what does that do?  we have /usr/lib/kde4/amarok_service_lastfm.so
[13:41] <shadeslayer> that lib depends on usr/lib/libamarok_service_lastfm_shared.so
[13:42] <Riddell> are you sure it's not a new thing in what you're packaging?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> at runtime
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: don't think so, the build logs for 2.6.0 show usr/lib/libamarok_service_lastfm_shared.so
[13:42] <shadeslayer> it's a run-time lib needed by amarok_service_lastfm.so
[13:42] <Riddell> hmm, well maybe it didn't work indeed :(
[13:43] <Riddell> it needs someone with a payed for last fm account to test
[13:43] <shadeslayer> oh really?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> I thought it worked with free accounts as well
[13:44] <Riddell> nah, they blocked that ages ago
[13:44] <Riddell> but you could still use the desktop client
[13:44] <Riddell> as I understand it
[13:44] <Riddell> but the desktop client is going payed-only from next month waa
[13:46] <apachelogger> not working in quantal it seems
[13:47] <agateau> apachelogger: \o/ thanks!
[13:47] <agateau> (for sni-qt, that is)
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: nvm, it refused to remember the login data... seems to work fine
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: amarok installed and working in raring
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's working?
[13:48] <apachelogger> lastfm
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: you pay for your scrobbling then?
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I really think scrobbling is free :P
[13:49] <apachelogger> god no, a friend :P
[13:49] <apachelogger> scrobbling is free, yes
[13:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: mm, fancy /msging me the password? :)
[13:49] <apachelogger> no :P
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: but you wouldn't want this important feature to go untested!
[13:50] <apachelogger> I just tested it :P
[13:51]  * apachelogger ponders lunching while workspace builds
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: amarok broken on arm, are you on the case?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> I know, but can't be helped at the moment
[14:49] <shadeslayer> needs opengl
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can be helped, don't install that file on arm
[14:51] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:51] <shadeslayer> I'll give it ago
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't think there's an easy way of doing that, needs removed from the .install file then explicity cp command in debian/rules
[14:53] <shadeslayer> :S
[14:55] <shadeslayer> actually
[14:55] <shadeslayer> build-deps say : libqt4-opengl-dev [!armel !armhf]
[14:56] <Riddell> yeah but I don't think there's an equivalent for .install files
[14:57] <Riddell> you could have amarok.install.i386 and each of the platforms but that's not very elegant
[14:57] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:57] <shadeslayer> plus, think of the delta :P
[14:59] <Darkwing> If anyone has my email listed at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Please change it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Just sold wonderly.com.
[15:00] <Riddell> Darkwing: your namesake wanted a vanity domain?
[15:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any idea why digikam isn't being moved to release?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK knows why
[15:00] <shadeslayer> opencv transition iirc
[15:01] <shadeslayer> but could be wrong
[15:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did you fix the amarok beta?
[15:01] <Darkwing> Riddell: Someone starting a video podcast for geek girls and they liked the name wonderly...
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes :)
[15:01] <Darkwing> 3K USD this close to Christmas will be nice.
[15:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Why no update in staging?
[15:02] <Riddell> not an offer I'd refuse for sure
[15:03] <Quintasan> I'd try getting more out of them if I were Darkwing
[15:03] <Darkwing> LOL No, I like what they are trying to do.
[15:03] <Quintasan> but 3k is nice nontheless
[15:03] <Quintasan> :P
[15:03] <Riddell> must be a very well funded podcast
[15:04] <Riddell> did you point them at some of our geek girls for role models and interviews?
[15:04] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Rohaaaaaan
[15:05] <Quintasan> where be me update
[15:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you do any update to maliit?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> wait
[15:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: Uhh, no.
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its in staging
[15:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: any planned?
[15:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: The packaging is done and the errors you mentioned need to be fixed upstream or I'll have to patch the source myself
[15:06] <shadeslayer> I'm trying to setup ktp daily builds
[15:06] <Quintasan> currently lib look like
[15:06] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'm actually building a base with the owner. I'll be doing a lot of that in the coming weeks / months.
[15:07] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: amarok - 2:2.6.90-0ubuntu2~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1
[15:07] <Quintasan> libmaliit-<soname>.so.<soname>
[15:07] <Quintasan> lintian complains about the first soname
[15:07] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ...
[15:07] <Quintasan> 2:2.6.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1
[15:07] <Quintasan> guess what
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ?
[15:08] <Quintasan> 2:2.6.90-0ubuntu2~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1 < 2:2.6.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1 apparently
[15:08] <shadeslayer> eh what
[15:08] <shadeslayer> then how did the PPA accept that version
[15:08] <Quintasan> or it's not built for amd64 yet
[15:08] <shadeslayer> nope, built for am64
[15:09]  * Quintasan whines
[15:09] <shadeslayer> dpkg says 2:2.6.90-0ubuntu2~ubuntu12.10.1~ppa1 is bigger
[15:10] <Quintasan> I'll just force it
[15:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: well it comains that the .deb doesn't match the library name, that's easily fixed in the packaging
[15:11] <Quintasan> Riddell: because the library is named in a dumb manner?
[15:12] <Quintasan> even upstream agreed on that
[15:12] <Quintasan> it should be libmaliit.so.<soname>
[15:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: I could change the package name but then we would get
[15:13] <Quintasan> libmaliit-1.0.0 0.93.0-0ubuntu1
[15:13] <Quintasan> makes perfect sense, eh?
[15:13] <Riddell> Quintasan: so will upstream change it?
[15:13] <Quintasan> He said yes but not exactly when so I emailed him about it yesterday or two days ago
[15:13] <Quintasan> I heard he is on vacation
[15:14] <Riddell> ok worth waiting for then
[15:14] <Quintasan> I should have asked him to tell me who to poke about this so I would be on their necks right now
[15:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did your active packaging progress?
[15:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we contacted upstream regarding patches, they said we can apply the patches for the desktop as well
[15:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm so just add them to the packaging then?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> we should talk with active people as to what can be applied for the desktop and what can't
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the patch doesn't fully apply against 4.10 :P
[15:17] <Riddell> meh
[15:17]  * shadeslayer goes to poke sebas
[15:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so I'm confused, "we can apply the patches for the desktop" doesn't git with "talk..as to what can be applied for the desktop"
[15:18] <shadeslayer> well ... the patches for kdelibs can be shipped for the desktop but doesn't apply cleanly
[15:18] <shadeslayer> we didn't talk about kde-workspace
[15:20] <Riddell> mm
[15:20] <Riddell> never easy
[15:21] <shadeslayer> yeah, I've asked him for patches against 4.10 and which patches can be shipped for -desktop
[15:22] <Riddell> him being sebas?
[15:23] <Riddell> hoew badly do they not apply?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/patches/kdelibs-plasma-active-patches.diff
[15:24] <shadeslayer> applies half heartedly :P
[15:24] <shadeslayer> #active
[15:24] <shadeslayer> erm
 it looks quite messy, as if it's master taken against 4.9
[15:26] <Riddell> upstream really needs to learn how to communicate with upstream
[15:26] <Riddell> wait..does that even make sense?
[15:28] <Riddell> rbelem: icecc uploaded, make sure to send changes to debian
[15:28] <rbelem> thanks Riddell
[15:28]  * rbelem hugs Riddell :-)
[15:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, do you need help with something?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> talking with active people regarding patches :(
[15:30] <shadeslayer> s/)/)/
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ...
[15:30] <shadeslayer> we can skip ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/patches/kde-workspace-no-hibernate-button.diff
[15:32] <rbelem> Riddell, almost everything is upsteam. Only build system patches are not upstreamed. I will make some more changes and will merge request them :-)
[15:33] <apachelogger> meh, initramfs busted -.-
[15:33]  * apachelogger gives up for today
[15:34] <rbelem> shadeslayer, last relase i spend lots of time to get active patches in the packages. Lots of adjustment :-/
[15:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:35] <apachelogger> because patching is crap
[15:36]  * rbelem nods
[15:36] <rbelem> it should be in the repository
[15:36] <rbelem> even with ifdef would be better
[15:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: are you on quantal?
[15:46] <Riddell> or have you given up for today?
[15:46] <apachelogger> latter
[15:46] <apachelogger> need to download iso and fix my initramfs
[15:47] <apachelogger> not sure how to fix it though as I only update-initrafms'd it ^^
[15:47] <soee> im on quantal :}
[15:49] <Riddell> soee: could you stop cups with  sudo stop cups
[15:49] <Riddell> then see what errors appear in ~/.xsession-errors
[15:49] <Riddell> hmm, my battery is about to die
[15:52] <soee> Riddell, you want whole xsession-errors content ?
[15:54] <Riddell> soee: no I just want to knoe if KCupsConnect start spamming it
[15:54] <soee> how can i check it ?
[15:54] <Riddell> tail -f ~/.xsession-errors
[15:54] <Riddell> (control-c to stop it)
[15:56] <soee> http://pastebin.com/BhDHxWxd
[15:58] <Riddell> soee: got print-manager running in the systray?
[16:01] <soee> Riddell, nope
[16:10] <Riddell> soee: could you add it?
[16:10] <Riddell> right click->systray settings->tick on print
[16:12] <soee> plasma-desktop(2296) KCupsConnection::renewDBusSubscription: Request failed 1282
[16:12] <soee> terminal is spamed with
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you want to ship ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/active/3.0/src/patches/kde-workspace-kwin-touch-mouseevents-translation.diff
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/626888/
[16:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can I play cue files in amarok?
[16:38] <Riddell> soee: thanks :)
[16:38] <soee> no problem, 4.10 rc1 comming this wednesday ?
[16:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well i think we have those three items
[16:40] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[16:41] <Riddell> although I've not tested myself but the whole multitouch thing is an ubuntu speciality
[16:41] <Riddell> soee: no sign of it yet
[16:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's just that do we want that for the destkop since the patch is a bit of a hack
[16:42] <shadeslayer> but
[16:42] <soee> uhm whats the name to get zlib installed ?
[16:42]  * shadeslayer checks
[16:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how would I know?
[16:43] <apachelogger> #amarok
[16:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I /think/ we either want it for both or neither, and I /think/ we want it for both
[16:44] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:44] <shadeslayer> okay so, we just need to build kde-workspace with said patches
[16:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: You are the multimedia overlord
[17:02] <shadeslayer> I'm going to upload PA stuff to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages
[17:02] <shadeslayer> then ask vHanda for his exoPC to test
[17:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:04] <soee> how can i restart krunner ?
[17:06] <Riddell> soee: not like that :)
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I think we can drop the kwin active packages
[17:19] <shadeslayer> and not do 2 builds etc
[17:20] <Riddell> yay
[17:23] <shadeslayer> but what do we about the split packages
[17:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: split packages?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> kde-window-manager-active and the likes
[17:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well replace them with the non-active equivalent no?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> sure, but upgrade paths
[17:25] <shadeslayer> and seeds
[17:27]  * shadeslayer deletes sections for now
[17:29] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1091354 and bug 1091340 for sru review
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we still need dual builds
[17:34] <shadeslayer> different profiles
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: mm
[17:39] <Riddell> ScottK: that issue with kdesdk having FDL with invariant sections is a non issue, it's just a template for potential use
[18:05] <jussi> agateau: for your extra mile... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311841
[18:06] <jussi> anyone feel free to go confirm that for me...
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: SRU bugs needs test case, etc from the SRU template.
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for checking on the FDL thing.
[18:11] <Riddell> ScottK: I fixed the template anyway
[18:12] <Riddell> test case added to bug 1091340
[18:12] <Riddell> afiestas: got a test case for bug 1091354 ?
[18:14] <jussi> who is the lead for Lancelot do we know?
[18:15] <Riddell> no idea
[18:15] <Riddell> who needs lancelot when you have homerun?
[18:16] <Riddell> ScottK: while I agree no Messages.sh is a bug to be fixed I don't see how it's grounds for rejection when there's no .po files shipped with it?
[18:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I thought it was you that told me it was because it was part of the build system and for freeness reasons it needs to be shipped.
[18:18] <Riddell> ScottK: yes it was
[18:18] <Riddell> but now I'm wondering how that is affected if the .po file is shipped entirely separately
[18:19] <Riddell> but that's all a bit academic :)
[18:19] <ScottK> The freeness stuff often is.
[18:33] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm very confused about this kdegames translation, there's no Messages.sh in git or in the old svn setup
[18:33] <Riddell> and tsdgeos seems not to be around today
[18:33] <ScottK> Wierd.
[18:34] <ScottK> Go ahead and reupload the one i rejected for that and I'll acceptit.
[18:34] <ScottK> i'll leave it to you to sort out later.
[18:42] <Riddell> ScottK: kiriki 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1 (New)
[19:19] <Riddell> ScottK: oh it's hiding away in src/Messages.sh
[19:19] <Riddell> so nothing missing
[19:19] <ScottK> Even better.
[19:19] <ScottK> Thanks for checking.
[20:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: if you're about, can you also test ktp 0.5.2
[20:22] <shadeslayer> about to upload it
[20:22] <shadeslayer> for quantal
[20:25] <shadeslayer> we could then potentially SRU it
[20:27] <dantti_laptop> which 4.10 package is plasmoidviewer now?
[20:28] <dantti_laptop> it used to be in kde-workspace-bin...
[20:29] <shadeslayer> erk
[20:44] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: uh yeah
[20:44] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: we need to set some variable which was not set in the release
[20:45] <dantti_laptop> :D
[20:45] <shadeslayer> more specifically the profile we're building, so all those tools are now gone
[20:46] <yofel> apachelogger said that it's part of plasmate now - whatever that is
[20:46] <yofel> (plasmoidviewer)
[20:46] <dantti_laptop> hmmm
[20:46] <dantti_laptop> I see no plasmate package :P
[20:47] <shadeslayer> plasmate hasn't been released
[20:47] <shadeslayer> so no package yet
[20:47] <dantti_laptop> cmd not found report wrong stuff tho
[20:47] <dantti_laptop> oh...
[20:47] <dantti_laptop> at least I can kill plasma-desktop, just not much productive.. :P
[20:49] <shadeslayer> hah
[20:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:26] <soee> KDE Telepathy 0.5.2 Released
[21:26] <soee> :)
[21:32] <shadeslayer> soee: already in kubuntu staging ppa :)
[21:32] <shadeslayer> but there are some issues I'm trying to sort out
[21:32] <shadeslayer> upstream tarball is broken
[21:32] <soee> ;o
[21:50] <shadeslayer> soee: apart from the kded module, everything is built : https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[22:12] <shadeslayer> soee: fixed ktp-kded uploaded as well
[22:12] <soee> shadeslayer, ok thank you


[16:41] <Skippy109> hello everyone can someone please help install ubuntu 16.04-2bLTS
[16:43] <Skippy109> help please