[00:00] <quality> The most interesting thing is, after it got stuck, I cannot get interrupted from that status. That is, C-c(SIGINT) and C-z(SIGSTOP) are ignored. However, manually send a SIGTERM via kill still works.
[00:01] <quality> Anyone has any ideas that how I can fix this problem without restart current login-session?
[00:03] <jfgratton> Greetings, I've some trouble right now, I successfully installed Ubuntu 18.10, but at the first reboot I get dropped at the Grub CLI (prompt) as if the bootloader did not install properly.
[00:03] <jfgratton> I've tried to use Boot-repair as I suggest in the forum, I can provide the output if it helps.
[00:04] <jfgratton> But I couldn't effect any repair because Boot-repair kept telling me that I needed to close all package managers that were running (there were none; I was running off the Live CD)
[00:05] <quality> Jeez! I even can't reboot my machine!
[00:05] <quality> The reboot command got stucked
[00:06] <Bashing-om> quality: What shows ' getent passwd $USER ' ?
[00:08] <quality> Bashing-om: cannot run that command now, the whole system has got stuck
[00:08] <quality> Bashing-om: even sysrq not working
[00:09] <quality> Bashing-om: I'm pretty sure I have enabled it
[00:09] <Bashing-om> quality: Yuk ! .. Out of memory ? wait a bit .. and what shows ' free -m ' ?
[00:10] <quality> Okay it just halted
[00:10] <quality> I can reboot it now
[00:10] <quality> Bashing-om: Mem:          32032        2805       27907         191        1319       2594
[00:10] <quality> Bashing-om: Swap:         16238           0       16238
[00:10] <quality> Bashing-om:               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
[00:11] <quality> Bashing-om: ^^just after reboot
[00:12] <Bashing-om> quality: pastebin that free output so we have aligned formatting. please.
[00:12] <quality> Bashing-om: okay
[00:12] <quality> sorry
[00:14] <texla> Bashing-om, Which grub folder do I use to change colors in menu
[00:14] <SBTlauien> Hi
[00:16] <Bashing-om> texla: Right off hand I do nor recall. Maybe Cavsfan relates: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaintenanceFreeCustomGrub2Screen .
[00:16] <Bashing-om> not*
[00:17] <Bashing-om> SBTlauien: Hello., your ubuntu support question ?
[00:17] <leonardus> Sveta, was just wanting to know if there was a system-wide default. i thought systemd uses <IP_ADDRESS> or something
[00:19] <OerHeks> there used to be grub customizer
[00:19] <Bashing-om> leonardus: Nope, whatever your router or ISP provides by defualt.
[00:19] <Sveta> leonardus, not really, dhcp client tells it to use the setting specified in the router
[00:22] <texla> OerHeks, I have acess to grub customizer...but was discouraged from using it by some people do you recommand it
[00:23] <leonardus> I used grub customizer
[00:28] <OerHeks> i see no use for grub tweaking, myself
[00:59] <SBTlauien> Should I name my son 'Ubuntu'?
[01:02] <Tin_man> no Sue
[01:02] <quality> SBTlauien: you might want to name him scala as you are a sbt fan
[01:03] <quality> *Scala*
[01:06] <CryptoManiac> I have a server at OVH with Ubuntu 14.04. I have allocated a OVH "failover-ip" to the server which is assigned as an alias of the primary ethernet interface. I want all outgoing traffic to be routed through this address. How do I do that?
[01:44] <yemino> hello. I have a loop in the login screen. But if I write "sudo -i" and then "startx" enter to ubuntu, but I can't with my user. How can I fix this?
[01:47] <Bashing-om> yemino: Do "you" have authorization to access the desktop ? ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ' .
[01:48] <yemino> I'm now as root, and appears:
[01:48] <yemino> root@inspiron:~# ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority -rw------- 1 root root 652 feb  4 22:38 .ICEauthority -rw------- 1 root root 102 feb  4 22:38 .Xauthority
[01:48] <Bashing-om> yemino: Sorry, at the login screen - activate a console interface - ctl+alt+F2. then run the ls commands .
[01:51] <yemino> Bashing-om: says that .Xauthority is just for root :P
[01:51] <yemino> how can change that?
[01:54] <yemino> -rw------- 1 ramrebol ramrebol 30684 feb  4 22:49 .ICEauthority
[01:54] <yemino> -rw------- 1 root     root        53 feb  4 22:37 .Xauthority
[01:56] <yemino> I think that I need  authorization for my user ramrebol to access to the.Xauthority file, I'm right?
[01:58] <Oderus> hi guys. im trying to use a linux binary distributed software, which is only available in russian. i found the text files for english translation, and they work as long as i launch the program from the directory in dolphin via double click. if i create a launcher in the menu for it, the program runs in russian still. how could i get around this?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> yemino: Sorry - got cuaht up elsewhere, yeah - change the owner to "you" :
[02:01] <Oderus> nevermind i figured it out.. had to set the work path to the executable directory
[02:02] <Bashing-om> yemino: sudo chown ramrebol:ramrebol .Xauthority - see if that works after a reboot for the change to take effect.
[02:08] <yemino> thanks Bashing-om , now is:
[02:08] <yemino> -rw------- 1 root     root     652 feb  4 22:38 .ICEauthority
[02:08] <yemino> -rw------- 1 ramrebol ramrebol 102 feb  4 22:38 .Xauthority
[02:08] <yemino> do you think is ok?
[02:09] <OerHeks> yes, now logout/login again
[02:14] <Bashing-om> yemino: No, you want that ramrebol owns and is grouped to both .. and as well /ramrebol:  ' ls -ld ../ramrebol /home ' where /home should presently show root.
[02:17] <yemino> hello. I cotinues with the problem: I can "startx" after write "sudo -i", but if I try to loggin with my user occurs a loops.
[02:18] <yemino> I have now       -rw------- 1 root root 102 feb  4 23:13 .Xauthority
[02:19] <Bashing-om> yemino: At the login screen, can you log into the system as "you" - ctl+alt+F2 ?
[02:20] <yemino> I can do "ctl+alt+f2" and login in that black screen, but I can't do startx
[02:20] <yemino> appears an error
[02:22] <Bashing-om> yemino: Presently "startx" is not a factor .. We do need to confirm htat you own the .ICEauthority. .Xauthority and the /ramrebol directory. Else no GUI.
[02:25] <Bashing-om> yemino: As an asside if you have run the bad bad 'sudo startx' then root may own now a bunch of stuff instead of "you" .
[02:26] <yemino> if I run "sudo startx" as "my user" appears an error
[02:27] <Bashing-om> yemino: NO! .. sudo + startx is for sure going to mess up access !
[02:30] <Bashing-om> yemino: Better explanation of why not: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo .
[02:31] <ducasse> yemino: if you're going to mess around with sudo like that, use sudo -iH
[02:33] <yemino> sorry, my english is not enough good, what can I try
[02:34] <yemino> my problem with the "loop login screen" start before I try to start "startx" with sudo
[02:35] <yemino> and now, when I restarted my laptop (changin the permits of  .Xauthority  file) the problem persists
[02:35] <yemino> so, I don't know how can find a solution
[02:38] <Bashing-om> yemino: Show us in a pastbin the outputs of terminal commands (from the user console interface, not root) ' ls -al .ICEauthority .Xauthority ; ls -ld ../ramrebol /home ' . We must get over this as the 1st step to resolve.
[02:39] <Bashing-om> !paste | yemino
[02:40] <SlidingHorn> yemino: Also, if you would rather get support in spanish, you could go to #ubuntu-es
[02:41] <yemino> I think that your support is better
[02:41] <yemino> if is not difficult for you to understand me
[02:41] <yemino> https://pastebin.com/5xB2qJpa
[02:41] <SlidingHorn> yemino: no worries :)  I just thought I would see if you would be more comfortable
[02:42] <Bashing-om> yemino: Looking ^ .
[02:44] <Bashing-om> yemino: So far we know root still owns the >Xauthority file .. now what about the other ' ls -ld ../ramrebol /home ' ?
[02:44] <yemino> SlidingHorn: how do you note that I speak spanish? My accent?
[02:44] <SlidingHorn> yemino: Chilean IP address
[02:45] <yemino> pff, haha,
[02:48] <yemino> Bashing-om: this is the pastebin   https://pastebin.com/Cq69jnGH
[02:51] <Bashing-om> yemino: Looking good. OK now do ' ls -al /home/ramrebol/ ' and confirm that "you" own all the filkes except that root owns ".." and .Xauthority .
[02:52] <Bashing-om> files*
[02:52] <yemino> when I'm in the "black screen" as my user appears this:  https://imgur.com/a/v8INzOY     (sorry for the picture). May be, this is related with my problem?
[02:53] <Bashing-om> yemino: The USB device is dieing ??
[02:55] <[RobDude]> Hi all - I've installed Ubuntu 18.04 and it's really great.  I'm loving it...but it doesn't pick up my external Bluray drive (Archgon MD-3102S-U3 USB 3.0 External Blu-ray Combo).  Is that something that you'd expect to work, or is that one of those 'some hardware doesn't work' kind of a things?
[02:55] <yemino> I think that my user the owner of all the important files of its home  https://pastebin.com/pg6hmrtY
[02:55] <Bashing-om> yemino: ^^ show us ' sudo fdisk -lu ' sow we know the identifucation of the USB drive .. then we see what a file system check reveals .
[02:57] <yemino> Bashing-om: I have nothing plugged to the usb input  (I forgot the last tilme that I used the USB port)
[02:57] <ducasse> [RobDude]: i'd expect it to just work, mine did
[02:58] <[RobDude]> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/X6DYTD5JYC/
[02:58] <[RobDude]> I'm not sure what all of those '/loop**' devices are - I recognize my harddrives/ssd though
[03:00] <yemino> I think that there are nothing wrong in the output,   (I think)   https://pastebin.com/y7WZs9q5
[03:00] <ducasse> [RobDude]: the loop devices are probably snaps, pastebin the output of 'lsblk'
[03:01] <[RobDude]> Oh crap
[03:02] <[RobDude]> I'm sorry - this is embarrassing.  I think it wasn't working because I hadn't put in a disk
[03:02] <Bashing-om> yemino: Then we have our homework to do to find out what USB 1.1-4 is . And why do you have .dbus and .gvfs directorues in your /home ? and what shows ' sudo ls -al /root/.dbus ' ?
[03:03] <[RobDude]> Now that I've inserted a disk, it shows up in 'Files'
[03:03] <ducasse> [RobDude]: bingo :)
[03:03] <[RobDude]> Thanks all
[03:03] <Bashing-om> [RobDude]: :)
[03:04] <yemino> Thanks Bashing-om for your patience. Here is the output https://pastebin.com/AvS3y57X
[03:05] <yemino> I don't know why I have .dbus and .gvfs directorues in my home. Normally I don't install thinks if is not neccesary
[03:07] <Bashing-om> yemino: Well, /root/ is the correct location for the .dbus directory . I can have no idea of why it would also be in your /home . One must have dbus consistent to do anything on the system.
[03:08] <ducasse> Bashing-om: nah, ~/.dbus is normal
[03:11] <yemino> may the system thought that I'm as "super" user than ms root   :P   (crearly that is not true)
[03:11] <Bashing-om> ducasse: yemino In gnome ? as I run xfce and .dbus is not present on my /home.
[03:13] <yemino> Bashing-om: yes, I'm in gnome (Ubuntu 18.04)
[03:14] <yemino> thanks ducasse for your contribution
[03:14] <Bashing-om> yemino: Then for sure you do not want to start the gnome desktop with 'startx'.
[03:15] <yemino> Bashing-om: of course, I just want to use the login screen, choise my user name and add the pass. The "startx solution" was a momentary desperate solution
[03:20] <Bashing-om> yemino: Understood. from the F2 console, change .Xauthority. ' sudo chown ramrebol:ramrebol .Xauthority ' reboot and tell us what happens now .
[03:28] <ramrebol> hello, I'm yemino (the loop screen guy). Continues the same problem :/
[03:29] <ramrebol> but now I'm not running the "sudo -i" and "startx"
[03:29] <Bashing-om> ramrebol: still booting to a black screen, yes ?
[03:30] <ducasse> ramrebol: at least use sudo -iH, not just -i - you keep messing up permissions otherwise
[03:31] <ramrebol> now I'm in the "CRTL+F2" and rinning irssi as old school.
[03:32] <ramrebol> thank ducasse , if I need to use the windows (to send a pastebin, for example) I will use the -iH
[03:33] <ducasse> ramrebol: you can send pastebins by adding '| pastebinit' to the end of commands
[03:34] <ramrebol> Bashing-om: Continues the same problem: in the loggin screen I can write my user name and password, but after hit enter appears the same login screen (a loop)
[03:35] <Bashing-om> ramrebol: show us what the status of the graphic card is ' lspci -vnn | grep -i VGA | pastebinit ' .
[03:40] <ramrebol> Bashing-om: paste.ubuntu.com/p/vJxSb8jTxd
[03:41] <ramrebol> It is possible to copy+paste in this "old" mode? (to copy the url of the partebin)=
[03:44] <Bashing-om> ramrebol: console (F2) does not have the ammenities of a terminal emulator :( .. and we have hybrid graphics . pastebin lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' - see now if a driver is loaded.
[03:46] <ducasse> ramrebol: you can install gpm, it will let you copy and paste with the mouse
[03:48] <Bashing-om> ducasse: ^^ neat .. was not aware of it :)
[03:50] <ramrebol> ducasse: awesome!!!
[03:50] <ramrebol> lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d'
[03:50] <ramrebol> sorry for the last line
[03:51] <ramrebol> yes, the hybrid graphics was the worse think that I buy. Never works properly
[03:52] <ramrebol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FTKn7xVWKP/
[03:54] <ducasse> Bashing-om: old-school trick :)
[03:55] <ramrebol> I though copy+paste were impossible, I only ask to reafirm this
[03:58] <ramrebol> Now will be easier to write my Fortran codes
[04:03] <Bashing-om> ramrebol: As drivers are loaded, and there is no issue with the guest session. then as ducasse concludes, must be an issue with the config in your user account.
[04:09] <ramrebol> I will reboot again. I will back in some minutos. Please wait
[05:51] <Death_Kitten> Hola! All Languages Welcome!
[05:52] <SlidingHorn> Death_Kitten: English only in here, please.  There are seperate channels for particular languages
[05:52] <Death_Kitten> No that is not true. This is the Open Mint Channel.
[05:52] <Death_Kitten> Been through this.
[05:52] <Death_Kitten> Plz don't make me do it again.
[05:52] <Death_Kitten> google translate
[05:52] <SlidingHorn> Death_Kitten: please troll elsewhere.
[05:53] <Death_Kitten> No I am helping the Community.
[05:53] <Death_Kitten> Its worked int he past....
[05:53] <Death_Kitten> No problems
[05:53] <Death_Kitten> Just let it fly
[05:53] <SlidingHorn> !ot | Death_Kitten please stop.
[05:54] <Death_Kitten> Fine Racist Fucks.
[05:59] <ejay13737> wow
[06:00] <ejay13737> what was that all about
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> ejay13737: you can discuss it at #ubuntu-discuss
[06:01] <SlidingHorn> ejay13737: nothing to worry about :)  Have an ubuntu question we can help with?
[06:07] <nirakara> why is that when i activate a python virtualenv using virtualenvwrapper, i get the following error
[06:07] <nirakara> Maximum number of clients reachedUnable to connect to X11 display. Is $DISPLAY set?
[06:13] <SlidingHorn> nirakara: what version and flavor of ubuntu?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> !details | nirakara so volunteers can help you
[06:25] <JoAnneThrax> Hi, everyone.  I just did software updates (using the builtin "update manager"), and after rebooting my machine it no longer recognizes that it can pipe sound out to the HDMI.  The HDMI video is working fine, but when I go to System Setting > Sound, HDMI is not even listed as an option, just the "Speakers built-in audio" option.
[06:26] <JoAnneThrax> So it only plays the audio out of the crappy laptop speakers instead of the external television speakers.
[06:26] <JoAnneThrax> Any thoughts, anyone?
[06:27] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: sudo lshw -C sound still show your driver= loaded?
[06:27] <JoAnneThrax> I don't see it.  Should I dump the output to you in a msg?
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: should be at bottom, driver=...
[06:28] <JoAnneThrax> I don't want to flood the channel.
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: if you dont see the driver= it means its not loaded
[06:28] <JoAnneThrax> Yeah, I don't see a driver= line
[06:29] <JoAnneThrax> Wait..
[06:29] <JoAnneThrax> driver=snd_hda_intel
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yes, thats the line
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: so when you use your external tv, and back to your computer, did you change audio back from hdmi sound to local sound?
[06:30] <JoAnneThrax> I didn't see it right away because it's in the middle of the line ("configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=").  Sorry about that.
[06:30] <JoAnneThrax> No, I haven't changed anything except the update
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yes but seems like you have used the external tv for some purposes, or what that just to test right now?
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> *was
[06:32] <JoAnneThrax> Generally, I keep it hooked up to the TV (with HDMI sound selected), except once a week when I take the computer to the radio station with me.   Without the HDMI connected, it just defaults to the built-in speakers/headphones audio, and then when I come home and re-connect it to the TV, I need to go to the control panel and select the HDMI again.
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: could you doublecheck your sound settings are back locally now, and not hdmi?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: wich ubuntu version are kernel are you on currently?
[06:34] <JoAnneThrax> And it's been hooked up and working just fine.  I installed updates last night (with the "update manager" in the Administration section of the applications menu), and just rebooted the computer this evening for the first time since the update, and now the HDMI sound has disappeared from the sound control panel.
[06:36] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: 4.15.0-45-generic
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: allright, looks good
[06:36] <JoAnneThrax> When you say "doublecheck my sound settings", what do you  mean?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: check same driver line on: sudo lshw -C video please?
[06:38] <JoAnneThrax> driver=nouveau and driver=i915
[06:38] <JoAnneThrax> It's got two sections
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: aha, looks like we might try to install the nvidia drivers for your optimus card
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: what gives you: ubuntu-drivers list please?
[06:39] <JoAnneThrax> Ah.  Did the update uninstall them?
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: did you install them before, can you recall?
[06:40] <JoAnneThrax> nvidia-340, nvidia-304, oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-xenial-dkms, oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms, intel-microcode, nvidia-384
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: hmm, an older nvidia card?
[06:42] <JoAnneThrax> I don't recall if I had to install them before.  I had a friend throw the OS on initially, so it's possible he installed them,  or that I did it a year ago and just don't remember.
[06:42] <JoAnneThrax> I suppose it is.  That command you had me type a minute ago gave this as the product:   GF108M [GeForce GT 525M]
[06:43] <JoAnneThrax> vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
[06:43] <JoAnneThrax> The other result is Intel's 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | JoAnneThrax
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: add the nvidia graphics ppa to your system and try a higher driver, 390 for example
[06:45] <JoAnneThrax> Lotus: I did just run this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily
[06:45] <JoAnneThrax> sudo apt update
[06:45] <JoAnneThrax> sudo aptitude --purge reinstall linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils linux-image-`uname -r` linux-ubuntu-modules-`uname -r` libasound2
[06:46] <JoAnneThrax> (which I tried because I was looking online to try to solve this before bothering you)
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: ah, i would go for the nvidia driver first, before messing with other things
[06:46] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Is there a command to install the 390?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: it might be related to your sound issue
[06:46] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: can you pastebin output of 'apt policy oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms'?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: first you need to add the nvidia ppa, then sudo apt update to show the new added drivers
[06:48] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/NmgzujCJ
[06:50] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Okay.  Do I just do an apt-get install, or do I need to do some sort of add-apt-repository ppa: thing like above.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yeah first step is adding the ppa, then sudo apt update, then sudo apt install your-driver
[06:51] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: follow lotus' instructions, then purge the ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/alsa-daily repo
[06:54] <JoAnneThrax> doing the apt update now
[06:54] <JoAnneThrax> It tells me two packages can be upgraded:
[06:54] <JoAnneThrax> libxnvctrl0/xenial 415.27-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1 amd64 [upgradable from: 361.42-0ubuntu1]
[06:54] <JoAnneThrax> nvidia-settings/xenial 415.27-0ubuntu0~gpu16.04.1 amd64 [upgradable from: 361.42-0ubuntu1]
[06:55] <JoAnneThrax> That second one seems notable.
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: seems like it wants to install nvidia 415
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: you can try the 415 driver and reboot
[06:56] <JoAnneThrax> My next step was going to be: sudo apt install nvidia-387
[06:56] <JoAnneThrax> should that be nvidia-415 or...?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: i would try 415 first, as your updates aiming for 415 packages
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: now you added the ppa, you can actually switch drivers easy so
[06:57] <JoAnneThrax> So, sudo apt install nvidia-415
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yes, try that and reboot
[06:58] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Thanks.  That's going to take another minute or so.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: cross your fingers :p
[06:58] <JoAnneThrax> :)
[06:59] <ducasse> remove the ppa first
[06:59] <JoAnneThrax> Should I check if the HDMI is there in the sound setting when I reboot, or check back here first for another step?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[06:59] <JoAnneThrax> Ah.  That.
[07:00] <ducasse> unless you *know* you need it
[07:00] <JoAnneThrax> You'd be amazed how little I *know* about this...
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: lets try the audio ppa purge first, before reboot then reboot and check your sound again
[07:02] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: sudo apt install ppa-purge
[07:03] <JoAnneThrax> Thanks, ducasse.  I'll do that as soon as the previous command finishes.  (It's at 86% and kind of stalled for a moment)
[07:04] <JoAnneThrax> It claims to be building the initial module...
[07:05] <JoAnneThrax> brb.
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: wb
[07:10] <JoAnneThrax> Well, this isn't promising...
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: what happened
[07:10] <JoAnneThrax> Now the HDMI video has stopped working.
[07:11] <JoAnneThrax> Let me see if I can reconfigure it.
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: can you check: sudo lshw -C video again for the driver= part?
[07:11] <JoAnneThrax> none listed
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: means something went wrong with your nvidia driver
[07:12] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: very wrong...
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: try another version, maybe from the GUI software&updates/tab additional drivers
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: see if you can switch to another version there
[07:14] <JoAnneThrax> There's a "driver manager"...
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yes, pick one and switch
[07:16] <JoAnneThrax> I picked nvidia-390.  There's also 304, 340 and 384.  It had defaulted to the open-source xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yeah try 390 as a test
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> then reboot again
[07:17] <JoAnneThrax> Thanks.  I'll do that when it finishes and be right back.
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> great
[07:17] <JoAnneThrax> It's maybe 40% through "applying changes" now.
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> lets see if your card likes the 390 :p
[07:20] <za1b1tsu> so hows support for bay trail (32 bit bios, 64 bit processor)?
[07:21] <ducasse> the images don't support 32-bit efi by default, aiui
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: wb
[07:26] <JoAnneThrax> Okay...HDMI video seems to be working now.
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> !yay | JoAnneThrax
[07:26] <JoAnneThrax> Thanks, lotuspsychje
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: sudo lshw -C video
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> driver=latency ?
[07:27] <JoAnneThrax> driver=nvidia
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> allright your good to go
[07:27] <JoAnneThrax> latency=0
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: with an optimus card youc an choose 2 modes now
[07:27] <JoAnneThrax> Okay...
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: from nvidia-settings you can switch to performance mode or powersvaing mode
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: aka: intel or nvidia switch
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: thats your personal choice ok
[07:28] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: have you checked for hdmi audio?
[07:28] <JoAnneThrax> Okay.  So...do I launch nvidia-settings from a terminal?
[07:29] <JoAnneThrax> I have...no audio yet.
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: you should have the settings GUI icon
[07:29] <ducasse> ok, then purge the ppa
[07:30] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: purged.
[07:30] <JoAnneThrax> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[07:35] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: the nvidia mode settings are "Adaptive" and "Prefer Maximum Performance".  It's on "Auto".
[07:35] <ducasse> you should probably upgrade too, to get the latest nvidia-settings
[07:36] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Oh, I see.  It's under PRIME Profitles.  NVIDIA (Performance Mode) is selected.
[07:37] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: I'd be happy to.  apt-get upgrade nvidia-settings ?
[07:37] <JoAnneThrax> Or is it another package?
[07:37] <ducasse> apt full-upgrade
[07:38] <JoAnneThrax> Done.
[07:39] <JoAnneThrax> HDMI is not available under the audio control panel yet.  Still just the onboard speakers.
[07:40] <JoAnneThrax> Let me know if I should reboot after any of this.
[07:41] <ducasse> you might want to reboot after purging the ppa, make sure oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms is no longer installed first
[07:44] <JoAnneThrax> oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms/xenial,xenial,now 0.201807310406~ubuntu16.04.1 all [installed]
[07:45] <JoAnneThrax> So says "sudo apt list --installed | grep -i oem"
[07:47] <JoAnneThrax> do I do an apt-get uninstall oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms  ?
[07:50] <uken71> tes
[07:50] <JoAnneThrax> Oh, right...the command is "remove", not "uninstall".
[07:51] <JoAnneThrax> Removing oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms (0.201807310406~ubuntu16.04.1) ...
[07:51] <JoAnneThrax> Done.
[07:51] <tomreyn> or use purge (still works now) to also remove its configurations
[07:51] <JoAnneThrax> Rebooting.  brb.
[07:52] <uken71> hallo
[07:53] <tomreyn> hi uken71, got any ubuntu support questions?
[07:54] <JoAnneThrax> Okay.  I'm back.
[07:55] <uken71> no thanks, I just test my internet connection, sorry.
[07:56] <JoAnneThrax> (For some reason, after the recent updates, this chat is taking a long time to start, too...seems to hang a while until it connects to one of the other servers I'm connected to.  Not too worried about that right now, though...just the sound.)
[07:56] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: still no hdmi audio?
[07:56] <Alina-malina> I have 2 HDDs in my laptop, one is the main os and the other i am going to replace, do i need to do any configuration changes after i swap hdds or i am good to go just replacing it?
[07:56] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: Still no HDMI audio.
[08:00] <ducasse> Alina-malina: if it has an entry in /etc/fstab you will need to edit that,otherwise just swap and go
[08:00] <Alina-malina> ducasse, i am not sure, ok let me check that after i replace it
[08:00] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Next step?
[08:01] <ducasse> Alina-malina: if you pastebin the file i can look for you
[08:01] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: also if you have a raid or other block device constructions which involve both disks you will need to prepare for removing the disk.
[08:01] <qwebirc78372> Can anyone help? Install is freezing on keyboard layout step, new to the game. Absolutely lost on what to do
[08:01] <Alina-malina> its a dell laptop
[08:02] <Alina-malina> with base ubuntu install on ssd
[08:02] <Alina-malina> i dont have anything advanced there, i am just worried about the bath where it is doing backups
[08:03] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: the "bath where it is doing backups"? i don't understand this part.
[08:03] <tomreyn> "batch" maybe?
[08:03] <dogbits> Hello
[08:03] <Alina-malina> path*
[08:03] <Alina-malina> sorry
[08:03] <tomreyn> oh :)
[08:04] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: please tell us about ubuntu version and variant, hardware (cpu + ram + graphics card), how you are installing...
[08:04] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: how do you do backups then?
[08:05] <Alina-malina> tomreyn, there is some app its doing the backups from time to time
[08:05] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: I feel like this should be easier.
[08:06] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: it should just be a matter of loading the right driver(s)
[08:06] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: if this is how much you know about your backups then whether or not they work is probably a nmatter of luck. if you want reliable backups, you need to actually test occasionally whether they work, by trying to restore data from them.
[08:07] <qwebirc78372> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS, install via boot able USB (used Rufus), on an Acer Aspire 7 Intel Core i7-7700HQ 2.8GHz, 8GB Ram, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 with 2GB dedicated VRAM.
[08:08] <tomreyn> Alina-malina: may guess would then be that you're using dejadup
[08:08] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: True enough.  Is it a matter of trying some of the other nvidia options under the driver manager?  (304, 340, 384, instead of 390)?
[08:08] <JoAnneThrax> Or is the problem that I need to acquire other drivers from somewhere else?
[08:09] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: okay, and you're installing the default (gnome) desktop variant, right?
[08:09] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: hang on a minute
[08:09] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: Okay.  Thanks.
 yes
[08:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: do you still have the iso file you wrote to the usb?
[08:11] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: if so, can you say which size it is in bytes?
[08:12] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: afaik the nvidia driver is involved in activating hdmi audio, but i'm not sure how they correlate to the audio drivers - i expect both are involved
[08:14] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: by the way, if you want the chat to be more usable, you could install hexchat.org or a similar irc client. but the webchat also works. if you like, pick a different nickname (ideally one which is unlikely to be taken, yet), by typing this on a new line (no leading space): /nick MyCoolNewNickname
[08:14] <tomreyn> (replace MyCoolNewNickname by what you want it to be)
[08:15] <JoAnneThrax> configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
[08:15] <JoAnneThrax> This seems wrong.
[08:16] <tomreyn> that's the main audi chip on your mainboard, probably not wrong
[08:16] <tomreyn> *audio
[08:16] <qwebirc78372> iso file is 1.9GB
[08:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: in single bytes please
[08:16] <JoAnneThrax> Well, okay...that seems right, but there's no second entry with an nvidia driver.
[08:16] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: we're trying to make sure the download worked out for you here
[08:17] <qwebirc78372> 1907568KB
[08:17] <qwebirc78372> Thanks!
[08:17] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: right, that's the problem
[08:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: that's better, but still not single bytes ;)
[08:17] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: but we can assume it's probably correct based on this.
[08:18] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: check if anything here helps - https://itsfoss.com/how-to-fix-no-sound-through-hdmi-in-external-monitor-in-ubuntu/
[08:18] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: I have "nvidia-390" selected in the Driver Manager.
[08:18] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: can you install the usb writer software from etcher.io and use this to write the usb stick from the iso again?
[08:18] <qwebirc78372> Haha yeah I realised as I wrote it in KB, useless today. Yes will give that a try
[08:20] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: i'm really bad with nvidia, i'm afraid. all i could recommend is to try a !hwe kernel or the unsupported pre-release !ppa
[08:20] <ducasse> tomreyn: he's on the graphics-driver ppa
[08:20] <tomreyn> oh, so scratch option #2
[08:21] <ducasse> tomreyn: test mainline?
[08:21] <tomreyn> !hwe | what about this, ducasse, JoAnneThrax
[08:21] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: I've tried those.  There was no HDMI option for output for the onboard card, the pulseaudio -k didn't make it appear, and pavucontrol similarly does not display an HDMI option for output.
[08:22] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: are you on 18.04?
[08:22] <JoAnneThrax> This is particularly annoying because, until I upgraded the kernel. etc. yesterday, it was working fine...
[08:22] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: the reason i recommend etcher is because it verifies the data was written correctly, and it works on most operating systems.
[08:22] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: Just a minute...I'll check.
[08:23] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: can you try with your previous kernel?
[08:23] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: it should still be installed
[08:23] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: can you also tell us how you upgraded the kernel, or from which to which?
[08:23] <JoAnneThrax> 4.15.0-45-generic
[08:24] <tomreyn> thats the old orr new one? and which is the other?
[08:24] <qwebirc78372> tomreyn: it says the verification failed....
[08:24] <ducasse> 45 is the latest
[08:24] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: I'm not sure how to try with my previous still-installed kernel.
[08:24] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: hmm, this suggests the usb stick may be broken. do you have another one?
[08:25] <qwebirc78372> It is brand new,
[08:25] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: this, unfortunately, doesn't fully rule it out.
[08:25] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: hold shift during boot to enter the grub menu, then choose it under 'advanced'
[08:25] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: I updated the kernel using the "Update Manager" utility (which informed me that there were all these updates with priorities ranging from 1 to 4 that I hadn't upgraded in a while...
[08:25] <qwebirc78372> Trying another now
[08:25] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: we can test your usb stick later.
[08:26] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: Okay...I'll reboot and try that...
[08:26] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: alright, so it was a standard system update, you didn't manually install a new kernel or the like.
[08:28] <qwebirc78372> This USB failed too
[08:31] <tomreyn> !md5 | qwebirc78372: hmm then maybe the iso file is actually broken. can you try to compare its checksum against the one on the servers? here's how
[08:32] <JoAnneThrax> I tried using 4.15.0-43...no luck.  HDMI video's not even working...
[08:33] <tomreyn> qwebirc78372: this is another take on this: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: sorry i was on coffee break, any progress?
[08:38] <Alina-malina> ducasse, ok now i got a permission denied for writing on this hdd
[08:38] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: No, sorry.
[08:38] <ducasse> Alina-malina: which one?
[08:38] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: let's find out which kernel you were running previously where hdmi audio was working. this lists when you last rebooted: journalctl --list-boots | tail
[08:39] <Alina-malina> ducasse, the new one i guess i need to change the permissions for regular used
[08:39] <Alina-malina> user
[08:39] <ducasse> Alina-malina: yes, where is it mounted?
[08:39] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: pick a date which is when it was surely still working but shortly before it broke.
[08:39] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: It just lists this:  0 c7feb3571ed7499a9b04cbd1abaa5ea2 Tue 2019-02-05 02:35:26 CST—Tue 2019-02-05 02:37:32 CST
[08:39] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: then inster this date for DATE here: journalctl --since DATE | grep 'Linux version'
[08:40] <Alina-malina> ducasse, it is in /media/infmush/1TB
[08:40] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: oh is this a new installation then?
[08:40] <ducasse> tomreyn: persistent journal might not be active
[08:40] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: New upgrade
[08:40] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: Or something.
[08:41] <ducasse> Alina-malina: sudo chown -R $USER:$USER /media/infmush/1TB
[08:41] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: The installation was a year ago.
[08:41] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: so when it was working fine you were running a different ubuntu version?
[08:41] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: I used the "Update Manager" util, and now I'm regretting it.
[08:42] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: Probably?  I know that the kernel was one of those things it gave me the option to upgrade.
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: can we see your dmesg in a pastebin please?
[08:42] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: hmm then it wasn't a release upgrade. you'd know id you done this.
[08:42] <Alina-malina> ducasse, ok thanks it worked!!!:) <3 <3 <3
[08:43] <JoAnneThrax> It lists a few when I hold down the shift on the reboot.  4.15.0-45-generic (the current one), 4.15.0-43, and a 4.13-something and a 4.10-something
[08:43] <tomreyn> ducasse: good hint there, thanks.
[08:43] <Blade> lts
[08:44] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/XEVXYUPE
[08:46] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wmwnH9vg9G/
[08:47] <JoAnneThrax> So, GRUB gives me a three other kernels to choose from, though if I boot into any of those it currently doesn't use the external monitor it's HDMI-ed to for video, doesn't show the external in the Display settings,  and the HDMI sound remains unlisted under the sound control panel.
[08:48] <JoAnneThrax> I tried all three.  Then went back to the newest version, which seems to be working video-wise, and not at all soundwise.
[08:49] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: anything useful in that dmesg?
[08:50] <JoAnneThrax> I can't remember if I had this problem a year ago when the OS was newly-installed.
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: can you pastebin this too please: sudo lshw -C video && sudo lshw -C sound
[08:50] <Blade> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D    JoAnneThrax  install manual latest stable
[08:50] <Blade> my is rc5 5
[08:51] <Blade> and work
[08:51] <tomreyn> Blade: you may have entirely different hardware, though
[08:51] <Blade> 12 years old laptop hp
[08:52] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/LwSYbDew
[08:52] <AxldenieD> Hi :)
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: dmesg shows alot of acpi issues, and tainted kernel on the 390 driver
[08:52] <tomreyn> Blade: my sympathies.
[08:53] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: So should I try the 384?
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: yes, lets try another driver
[08:53] <Blade> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SPhnWc9yT4/    JoAnneThrax  see
[08:54] <JoAnneThrax> Do I have to re-purge and reboot and all that to see?
[08:54] <Blade> testing
[08:54] <Filikun> Should I install drivers for my wireless or is the built in with ubuntu enough?
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: use the GUI additional drivers for easy switch
[08:55] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: under sound there should be a separate entry for nvidia hdmi
[08:55] <tomreyn> Filikun: normally things work fine out of the box, if they do, no need to install anything else.
[08:56] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: I don't believe I have "additional drivers" installed.  I'm using the Driver Manager...is that alright?
[08:56] <Filikun> tomreyn: It does work but I had a problem where after ubuntu went to sleep and I stared it up again I had no wireless connection nor did it seem I had a wireless driver at all
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: you dont have the icon software&updates?
[08:58] <tomreyn> !hwe | Filikun: suspend can be sketchy with some drivers / hardware. sometimes you can work around this by using a HWE kernel
[08:58] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: I have "Software Sources".  Also a "Software Manager".
[08:58] <tomreyn> !lts | Filikun
[08:59] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: I don't see "Software&updtates"
[08:59] <JoAnneThrax> er...updates.
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: wich ubuntu flavor are you on?
[08:59] <lyiriyah> !hwe
[08:59] <tomreyn> Filikun: so if you run an LTS release, try the HWE kernel. if this doesn't help, there may be driver specific options you can try to experiemnt with, which *may* also help to make it work after suspend.
[09:00] <tomreyn> Filikun: but try HWE first, if you're on an LTS release.
[09:01] <Filikun> tomreyn: Thansk! I just started using Ubuntu so I'm really new to all this but I'll have a look. Is there anything I need to undestand before trying the HWE kernel?
[09:01] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Oh, I appear to be on Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia.  Does this mean I'm bothering the wrong people?
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> -facepalm-
[09:01] <tomreyn> Filikun: not really. it would be good to know whether you actually run an LTS release and thus HWE kernels can be available.
[09:01] <JoAnneThrax> I thought I was on a plain version of Ubuntu (which the computer that died last year was running).
[09:02] <JoAnneThrax> My apologies for wasting your time if I should be over at #linux-mint or something.
[09:02] <Filikun> tomreyn: I'm pretty sure I donwloaded the LTS version
[09:02] <tomreyn> Filikun: running "lsb_release -ds" in a !terminal should tell
[09:02] <ducasse> lol
[09:02] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: please reinstall a supported ubuntu version from our topic
[09:02] <Filikun> tomreyn: Yeah! I'm on LTS
[09:03] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: you can try booting a live ubuntu usb, see if hdmi audio works there
[09:04] <tomreyn> !mint | JoAnneThrax
[09:04] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: Okay, thanks.  I'll have to see if I can find a spare USB drive around here and try that.  Again, my apologies...
[09:04] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: also, you might want to try this - http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[09:05] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: other than that, we can't really support mint, i'm afraid
[09:05] <tomreyn> Filikun: cool, so try the hwe kernel as discussed on the wiki.
[09:05] <Filikun> tomreyn: What version should I get? Xenial?
[09:06] <tomreyn> Filikun: linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[09:06] <JoAnneThrax> Thanks, tomreyn.  Sorry to all of you about my confusion....
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: come back with ubuntu and we can continue your support ok
[09:07] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: try ##linux
[09:07] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: I'll see what I can do. :)
[09:07] <tomreyn> JoAnneThrax: it's ok, it happens quite regularly, annoying but since some Ubuntu derivates don't really tell their users where they should look for support and actually (incorrectly) make them thhink they're running Ubuntu this tends to happen.
[09:07] <Filikun> tomreyn: Sorry but I'm super noob. Would this be sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 in the terminal?
[09:08] <tomreyn> Filikun: yes this sounds good!
[09:09] <Filikun> tomreyn: If you have the time, would you care to explain to me what this does?
[09:09] <JoAnneThrax> tomreyn: Yeah, and I had a friend install it for me (which I probably should have just done myself) and assumed he'd install kubuntu or somesuch as he had previously...he didn't inform me.  I just feel bad for wasting your time (and lotuspsychje's and ducasse's and whoever else tried to help)...
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: if you join the ubuntu community we will pretend it never happened :p
[09:11] <lotuspsychje> (j/k)
[09:11] <tomreyn> Filikun: i'll be gone for a while. if it turns out the HWE kernel doesn't help, please run this to get more info on your hardware and post it online (so you can share it here): lspci -nnvv | grep -A10  Wireless | nc termbin.com 9999; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:11] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: You mean re-join. :)
[09:11] <Filikun> tomreyn: Ok, thanks!
[09:12] <JoAnneThrax> Or, you know, I could go completely off the reservation with minix or irix or something.
[09:13] <tomreyn> Filikun: "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04" installs the "linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04" software package (a process which needs to be done as root, so you use "sudo" to run it, and makes sure any other packages this software package recommends to install will also be installed (which can make sense, but it is also the default configuration).
[09:13] <JimBuntu> JoAnneThrax, PS: I love your name.
[09:13] <JoAnneThrax> JimBuntu: Thank you.
[09:13] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: irix? isn't sgi long dead?
[09:14] <tomreyn> the "linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04" software package provides you with a newer kernel version. the linux kernel is the 'core' of this operating system, it is what boots when you switch on your computer, and keeps running all the time, and which makes sure that all the 'nice' things which make this computer usable get started.
[09:16] <tomreyn> Filikun: the "linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04" software package provides you with a newer kernel version. the linux kernel is the 'core' of this operating system, it is what boots when you switch on your computer, and keeps running all the time, and which makes sure that all the 'nice' things which make this computer usable get started.
[09:16]  * tomreyn bbl
[09:16] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: That was just a joke.
[09:16] <Filikun> tomreyn: Okay
[09:16] <Filikun> tomreyn: Ty
[09:17] <ducasse> JoAnneThrax: i thought maybe some linux distro had hijacked the name :)
[09:17] <Filikun> So I installed the kernel above and now by Nvidia driver does not seem to work anymore. Do I need to reinstall that one?
[09:18] <JoAnneThrax> ducasse: Not that I know of.  :)
[09:19] <JimBuntu> Filikun, It's common to need to reinstall the driver, or a specific version.
[09:20] <Filikun> JimBuntu: Ah! Okay, I got scared there for a moment I thought I broke something :) Just learning Linux comming from Windows and Mac so this is a lot different for me
[09:21] <JimBuntu> Filikun, It's not normally this bad, GPU drivers are some of the worst things you will experience though, so smile, you are doing well!
[09:22] <Filikun> JimBuntu: Good to hear :) I have a question about the kernel update I just did. Why is it not part of the newest Ubuntu version I installed?
[09:23] <JimBuntu> Filikun, I can't say for sure as I am not fully read up on the update you did. I would imagine it's either a mainline kernel ( one Ubuntu/Canonical ) hasn't blessed yet, or it was simply an update that hasn't made it into the 'latest' version yet.
[09:24] <JimBuntu> Filikun, The latest version available for download isn't always 100% up to date, there are only so many cycles in a day.
[09:25] <Filikun> JimBuntu: Alright! Thanks :) after installing the nvidia drivers again the termial promted me if I wanted to autoremove some packages that was no longer reqirered. Should I always follow trough on that?
[09:26] <JimBuntu> Filikun, That's up to you. I never auto-remove, I have space for the old stuff.
[09:26] <Filikun> JimBuntu: So it's not harmful to let it stay?
[09:27] <JimBuntu> Not harmful Filikun
[09:27] <Filikun> JimBuntu: Thanks a lot :)
[09:29] <JimBuntu> Filikun ( in the dark ), you are welcome.
[09:29] <PaddyF> :)
[09:30] <Filikun> So after kernel update and reinstalled nvidia drivers my desktop still looks like it's not at the right resolution. What might be wrong?
[09:31] <Filikun> It does not recognize my display anymore
[09:44] <Filikun> I can't get the Nvidia driver to work propperly now :S
[09:48] <Filikun> Under additional drivers the Nvidia driver is used.
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: wich card and driver version please?
[09:49] <Filikun> GTX 970, nvidia-driver-390
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: did you add the ubuntu graphics ppa?
[09:49] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Not sure what that is, new to Linux
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | Filikun
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: for gtx cards its reccomended to use the nvidia drivers from the ppa, 396 or 415 for example
[09:51] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Do I need to uninstall the one that I use now somehow?
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: after you added the ppa, you can switch drivers from software&sources tab additional drivers
[09:55] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure how to install them
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: did you add the ppa?
[09:55] <test1600> hi all
[09:55] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: No, that's what I can't figure out
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: its described on the ubuntu graphics ppa
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa then sudo apt update
[09:56] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Missed that one, thanks
[09:56] <test1600> How can I populate recycler view with data from local database, using room, because I can not add data to adapter in main thread?
[09:57] <test1600> oh, sorry, another channel
[09:57] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Done! Do I need to restart afterwards?
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: not yet, first switch drivers now from the icon: software&updates tab additional drivers
[09:58] <Filikun> To the 396 right?
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: sure lets try that
[09:59] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Hmm I can't seem to set it
[09:59] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Jumping back to my 390 automaticly
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: how about other driver versions?
[10:00] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Nope just jumping back
[10:00] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I have one Nouveau, should I try that one as well?
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: as a test you can try
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: but the end goal is making the nvidia driver work on the gtx
[10:01] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: It did work
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: it might be switching to nouveau, the reboot might give you a black screen
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: in that case you need !nomodeset to get back in your system
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | Filikun
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: after the reboot, lets try if we can switch back nouveau to a higher nvidia
[10:03] <Filikun> Hmm I had a update pending in the built in software updater with Nvidia thingies
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: your system wasnt up to date?
[10:05] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I installed it yesterday but not sure what is up to date and what is not. I did update after install. But did an kernel update today that fked up my drivers.
[10:05] <Filikun> Now I could pick 396
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: allright, try that and reboot
[10:06] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: This confuses me a lot hehe. Will do as soon it's done applying changes
[10:08] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Did not fix it :/
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: fix what
[10:08] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: The screen resolution
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a && lsb_release -a ,please
[10:10] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/yWt5FZ7J
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: card is unclaimed, and your on 4.18 ekrnel for a reason?
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> kernel
[10:11] <airwind> how does one update bios on a laptop running linux when the vendor only provides a windows executable update file?
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> !biosupdate | airwind
[10:12] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I had problems with wifi when system did go down in sleep and rewoke. So someoner here told me updating kernel could work
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: allrighty, tnx lets try another driver version?
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: maybe 415 now
[10:13] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Will do!
[10:13] <airwind> lotuspsychje: interesting, I'll try it out, thanks.
[10:13] <guiverc> airwind, some updates can be done thru freedos (which will run windows .exe's)
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> airwind: and some computer brands can be now updated firmware trough ubuntu-software aswell, you can check there
[10:14] <tonytheguitar> Hey! I am trying to install my nvidia drivers on Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS. Found a "how to" guide online but just can't make it work for some reason. The command lines in the how-to doesn't work when I type them in the terminal. Please help.
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: wich card and driver version please?
[10:15] <airwind> I'm talking about HP Omen X laptop here. Seems like HP has some boot bios update function available by pressing F10 during boot.
[10:15] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: It really takes a while to apply the changes
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: yes, normal procedure :p
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: it purges previous, installs new
[10:15] <tonytheguitar> Nvidia Geforce 8400 GS. NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-340.107
[10:16] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: rebooting now
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: wich drivers list when you: ubuntu-drivers list ?
[10:17] <tonytheguitar> nvidia-340
[10:18] <tonytheguitar> I guess it's the same...
[10:18] <tonytheguitar> Problem is I only get a 640 x 480 resolution on the screen.
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a please?
[10:19] <SimonNL> impressive
[10:19] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: Filikun (initally on 18.04 GA) initially reported their wireless didn't work after return from suspend, that's why i suggested to try HWE. I wasn't aware (and failed to inquire) about them running nvidia, so I guess this upgrade should just be rolled back.
[10:19] <tonytheguitar> How do I do that?
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: open a terminal
[10:19] <iomari> greetings, https://pastebin.com/gBzx1ps5
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: we can test both ends np
[10:19] <tonytheguitar> Yes
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> !paste | tonytheguitar
[10:21] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I tried 390 again after the other one failed and now it works!
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: the 390 from the ppa?
[10:21] <tonytheguitar> Problem is that I'm not chatting on the same computer.
[10:21] <tonytheguitar> as Ubuntu is on that is
[10:21] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I think it's from ppa
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: try perhaps to switch to the nouveau driver
[10:22] <tonytheguitar> Ok. I can try that. How do I do that?
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: allright, great it works, now did 4.18 fix your other issues?
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: software&updates icon tab additional drivers and click nouveau
[10:22] <lyiriyah> #ufuntu
[10:22] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: I don't know. Haven't tested it out actually. Thanks for the help!
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> welcome Filikun
[10:25] <tonytheguitar> It says I am using the Nouveau display driver already...
[10:25] <tomreyn> Filikun: sorry this was so problematic, i should probably have asked whether you use nvidia hardware before suggesting the HWE kernel.
[10:25] <Filikun> tomreyn: No worries! It was solved with some help :)
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: allright, try to click the nvidia-340 then
[10:26] <Filikun> tomreyn: I'm not sure what happened though. I really want to learn ^^,
[10:26] <tomreyn> Filikun: glad you two worked it out! if you like, you could try the wireless suspend issue again
[10:26] <lotuspsychje> Filikun: what kind of wifi chipset was that?
[10:26] <Filikun> lotuspsychje: Intel
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> kk dont know much tricks for that
[10:27] <Filikun> lotuspsychje:  It's a built in one on the motherboard
[10:27] <Filikun> tomreyn: I can try it!
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> besides maybe your bios update to latest Filikun, but maybe tomreyn suggested that already
[10:27] <jeremy31> Filikun: post URL from terminal for> lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | pastebinit
 Filikun: [..] if it turns out the HWE kernel doesn't help, please run this to get more info on your hardware and post it online (so you can share it here): lspci -nnvv | grep -A10  Wireless | nc termbin.com 9999; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:27] <tonytheguitar> lotuspsychje: Applying changes and hoping for the best. Last time I did a similar thing I ended up needing to re-install Ubuntu.
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: you dont need to reinstall ubuntu for switching drivers
[10:28] <tonytheguitar> lotuspsychje: Something happened and I couldn't get it to boot up.
[10:28] <tonytheguitar> lotuspsychje: I am completely new to this so I might have done something wrong.
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | tonytheguitar if you cant enter anymore
[10:29] <Filikun> jeremy31: https://pastebin.com/VHBSQbYS
[10:30] <jeremy31> Filikun: I think that one was supported in Ubuntu 16.04
[10:30] <Mava42> dmesg says:  FAT-fs   error, invalid access to FAT. and some entry 0x9e... number. is it just corrupted or has some evil windows machine put a ransomware or so there
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> Mava42: lets start from the start, what are you trying to do?
[10:31] <Filikun> jeremy31: I will try and see if it works. Can I somehow set the computer to sleep like it does if you are AFK from the log in screen?
[10:32] <jeremy31> Filikun: what kernel do you have?
[10:32] <Filikun> jeremy31: How do I tell?
[10:32] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: SOLVED!
[10:32] <tonytheguitar> On another topic while I wait for my extremely slow computer to do something... Is there a way to see the hardware specs of my system?
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: 4.15 & 4.18
[10:32] <jeremy31> Filikun: uname -r
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: what did you do :p
[10:33] <JoAnneThrax> (I know no one cares anymore, but I felt like letting you lot know....)
[10:33] <Filikun> jeremy31: 4.18.0-14-generic
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: we 'do' care about feedback
[10:33] <tomreyn> tonytheguitar: if you run ubuntu 18.04, it's in settings -> about
[10:33] <jeremy31> Filikun: I am using 4.15.0-43 and it is supported there
[10:34] <tonytheguitar> tomreyn: Thank you
[10:34] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: trying to open files from an usb stick
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> Mava42: do you still need the data on the stick?
[10:34] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: of course =)
[10:35] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: I had to patch the kernel, as described here: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1024022/linux/gtx-1060-no-audio-over-hdmi-only-hda-intel-detected-azalia/post/5230494/#5230494
[10:35] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: a number of filenames are completely nonsense like ÑWRL0005.tmp
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> Mava42: can you pastebin: tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your stick please?
[10:35] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: letssee
[10:35] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Apparently...it's what I had to do a year ago. but unfortunately there wasn't much of a shred of memory of it remaining by now.
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: are you still on mint now?
[10:36] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: Yes...sorry. :)  As for feedback, you lot are very sweet and helpful.  Sorry again about the confusion.
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> JoAnneThrax: did you try what ducasse suggested, test audio from an ubuntu liveusb?
[10:37] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: well..solved i believe: Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[10:37] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: No, I haven't gotten around to making an ubuntu live USB since our conversation...
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> Mava42: what i would do is, try to backup as much data as you can or scan with photorec, then reformat usb with gparted
[10:38] <JoAnneThrax> lotuspsychje: If I do, I'll let you know if it works.
[10:38] <Filikun> jeremy31 & tomreyn hmm ok so I suspended and booted up. Wifi icon not showing upper right but I'm connected to a wifi so that works but my graphic card is going full throttle
[10:38] <tomreyn> Filikun: you should have a power off icon top right, when you click on it a menu should open. hold shift, click on the power off icon which should then change into a pause icon, triggering suspend.
[10:38] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: thanks for the tip. sounds good
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | Mava42 sudo photorec after install
[10:40] <tomreyn> Filikun: i guess this means the current graphics dirver + kernel combination is not a good match. maybe we should undo the kernel upgrade then.
[10:40] <Filikun> tomreyn: How to?
[10:40] <tomreyn> Filikun: this will most likely make graphics works again, but also break wireless again. is this what you want, for now?
[10:40] <Filikun> I just think this happens after suspend
[10:40] <tomreyn> break wireless after suspend, that is
[10:41] <Filikun> tomreyn: Is there any other benefits of staying with this kernal?
[10:42] <tomreyn> Filikun: from what i understand wireless woks after suspend on this current HWE kernel
[10:42] <tomreyn> *woRks
[10:43] <Filikun> Let me restart and se if my graphics card calms down brb
[10:43] <tomreyn> so this woul dbe the benefit if you keep this kernel version. but i guess if you prefer your graphics working after suspend you'll better downgrade to the GA (general availability, i.e. default) kernel
[10:43] <jeremy31> Must be a platform issue with wifi
[10:44] <tonytheguitar> Hmmm... I can't change the resolution for the screen. There is absolutely no options available in the settings menu...
[10:45] <Filikun> tomaw: I'm back. Yeah it seems like my graphics card does not like it
[10:45] <Filikun> tomreyn:
[10:46] <Mava42> lotuspsychje: thanks for the tips, you're the best
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> Mava42: welcome
[10:47] <Filikun> tomreyn: How do I reset to the other kernel?
[10:47] <tomreyn> Filikun: so let's downgrade the kernel to GA: sudo apt purge linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 linux-.*-4\.18\..*
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: your card is kind of older already, 340 isnt the best driver anymore also, maybe test a lubuntu/xubuntu on your system?
[10:48] <Filikun> tomreyn: Wait a moment, will I need to do something with the graphics again?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: you 'could' try the ubuntu graphics ppa, but im not sure it will perform well on that card
[10:48] <tomreyn> Filikun: yes, you will also need to remove the ppa and uninstall the graphics driver from there.
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia | tonytheguitar
[10:49] <Filikun> tomreyn: Ait! Not sure how I do that but first thing first. I get a warning now about the kernel removal
[10:50] <tomreyn> Filikun: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[10:50] <tomreyn> Filikun: you could tell me what the warning says, if you like ;)
[10:50] <tomreyn> !paste | Filikun
[10:51] <Filikun> tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7wCqx3dtwP/
[10:53] <tomreyn> Filikun: you should not normally proceed there, but we know what you have the other kernel installed so this is safe. you should reboot soon, though
[10:54] <tonytheguitar> lotuspsychje: What is the ubuntu graphics ppa?
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: thats a launchpad page where higher/newer nvidia drivers are provided for ubuntu
[10:56] <tomreyn> !ppa | here's what a ppa is generally, tonytheguitar
[10:56] <zetheroo> Just wondering if I am maybe missing something here in 18.04 ... seems there is no music player ... or?
[10:56] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: did i break it then? :-/
[10:56] <Filikun_mobile> Yeah 🤣
[10:57] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: apologies. what happens now?
[10:57] <Filikun_mobile> No worries thought it was a fresh install. Stuck at /dev/sdb2 black screen
[10:57] <zetheroo> Everything I tried from the Software Center looks very old or half-baked
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> !latest | zetheroo
[10:58] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: can you take a photo with your mobile and post it at imgur.com?
[10:58] <Filikun_mobile> Sure
[10:59] <zetheroo> lotuspsychje: Ok, but isn't there a single up-to-date/official music player for Ubuntu anymore? It used to be Rythymbox ..
[11:00] <miek> hi, i'm having some trouble with using usb mice on my laptop (thinkpad x270 running 18.04.1 & i3wm). after some time the mouse stops working. i've tried replugging it, reloading usbhid and using another usb mouse. the only thing that fixes it is a reboot. it's coming up OK in dmesg & lsusb, but i don't know how to debug further.
[11:00] <Filikun_mobile> http://imgur.com/a/NuVDBrf
[11:00] <tomreyn> !recovery | Filikun_mobile
[11:01] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: please boot into recovery
[11:01] <Filikun_mobile> Okay
[11:02] <Filikun_mobile> Done
[11:02] <Filikun_mobile> Dpdk?
[11:03] <Filikun_mobile> dpgk*
[11:03] <Filikun_mobile> FML dpkg*
[11:03] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: what do you mean to say there?
[11:04] <tomreyn> so in the recovery menu, please enable networking, does this bring you back to the recovery menu?
[11:04] <Filikun_mobile> Its one of the options i have in recovery menue. A repair broken packages
[11:04] <Filikun_mobile> Let me see
[11:04] <Filikun_mobile> Yes
[11:05] <tonytheguitar> Ok. Got the Nvidia driver running and now Ubuntu won't start.
[11:06] <Firefly67> when I open a window, it opens at the lower left corner of a screen, with the top and left of the window outside the screen. How do I change the default position of a new window?
[11:06] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: ok, now run the shell, one of the last options there
[11:06] <tomreyn> "root shell" or something
[11:07] <Filikun_mobile> Done
[11:07] <Filikun_mobile> Back to the same recovery menue again
[11:08] <SimonNL> miek: have you tried other usb port ?
[11:09] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: you selected the option to urn the root shell and got back into the text graphics recovery menu?
[11:09] <Filikun_mobile> Yes
[11:09] <Filikun_mobile> No
[11:09] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: so there is not a black background line on the bottom where oyu can type things?
[11:09] <Filikun_mobile> Tried again now something happened
[11:10] <Filikun_mobile> It is now, my bad
[11:10] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: so when you press the "#" it actually write this on the screen now?
[11:10] <tomreyn> and pressing backspace deletes it?
[11:10] <Filikun_mobile> I can type, yes
[11:11] <Filikun_mobile> Yes
[11:11] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: ok, run this:  dpkg -l *nvidia* | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:13] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: and please post the url it returns here.
[11:13] <Filikun_mobile> *nvidia* command not found
[11:14] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: you didn't type the full command, it starts with "dpkg", see above
[11:14] <Filikun_mobile> Hmm i did
[11:14] <tonytheguitar> Can I change the graphics driver from the root shell prompt in recovery mode somehow?
[11:14] <Filikun_mobile> I try again
[11:14] <mouses> tonytheguitar: sure you can
[11:14] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: please do
[11:15] <mouses> tonytheguitar: what distro/version are you running and what type of video hardware?
[11:15] <tonytheguitar> mouses: Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS. Geforce 8400 GS.
[11:15] <Filikun_mobile> Same again
[11:15] <mouses> tonytheguitar: are you unable to boot into normal mode?
[11:15] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: can you type the command you ran here, too?
[11:16] <miek> SimonNL: it wasn't working in other ports either, but that made me move some other stuff around and it turns out the problem only happens when my usb-c dock is plugged in
[11:16] <tonytheguitar> mouses: Yes. It just stops and is blinking with some OK boxes and text... can't remember what they alla were saying right now.
[11:16] <Filikun_mobile> dpkg -| *nvidia* | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:17] <mouses> tonytheguitar: When you get that, can you control-alt-f1 (or maybe f2, f3, I forget) to get a terminal?
[11:17] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: ok, so after the first dash, that's an L (but lower case)
[11:17] <tonytheguitar> mouses: I can try.
[11:17] <Filikun_mobile> Aaaaaaah
[11:17] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: other than that you did fine. you can edit what you typed previously by pressing the cursor "up" key
[11:17] <mouses> tonytheguitar: is this a fresh install?
[11:17] <Filikun_mobile> termbin.com/f46u
[11:17] <SimonNL> miek: can you hook up the usb-c dock to it's own power source ?
[11:17] <mouses> tonytheguitar: as in you installed, installed nvidia drivers, rebooted and then this problem?
[11:18] <tonytheguitar> mouses: Yes.
[11:18] <miek> SimonNL: yeah, it's on its own power source now
[11:18] <mouses> tonytheguitar: what drivers did you install?
[11:19] <tonytheguitar> the 340 something.
[11:19] <SimonNL> miek: and you had it connected without before ?
[11:19] <tonytheguitar> mouses: I can't get a terminal up when I try to boot
[11:21] <BluesKaj> ctrl+alt+F2-F6?
[11:21] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo apt-get --simulate -y purge *nvidia* 2>&1 | pastebinit
[11:21] <mouses> tonytheguitar: Hmmm.  To be honest, we could purge all the nvidia stuff via recovery mode but since this is a fresh installed system with nothing really on it - probably easier to just wipe the system
[11:21] <mouses> tonytheguitar: if you want to try purging it, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1054242/completely-removing-old-nvidia-drivers -> first answer pretty much nails it, but I'd just reinstall
[11:22] <tonytheguitar> mouses: I have done that 3 times already and it hasn't changed anything. I get the same or similar problem everytime.
[11:22] <mouses> tonytheguitar: How are you installing the driver?
[11:23] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: this doesn't actually change anything, yet, it just --simulates, so we'll know what would happen.
[11:23] <tomreyn> sorry for the lot of text
[11:23] <Filikun_mobile> Paste.ubuntu.com/p/8VB7v6C9Vw
[11:23] <tonytheguitar> Manually. Tried theese approaches. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[11:23] <Filikun_mobile> No worries 😊
[11:23] <Filikun_mobile> Just glad you help me, i learn a long the way
[11:24] <mouses> tonytheguitar: using ubuntu-drivers autoinstall from a terminal?
[11:24] <tonytheguitar> mouses: I tried all the options on that link.
[11:24] <mouses> tonytheguitar: Weird.  Don't see any reason you should be having any issue - hopefully someone else here can get you sorted ;(
[11:25] <tonytheguitar> mouses: and had to do a fresh install after every try.
[11:25] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: please edit the command you ran (cursor key up) and make sure you have two dashes before "simulate", then run the whole thing again
[11:26] <miek> SimonNL: no, but i just tried without power on the dock and it won't run without power. also, after pulling the dock power with it still plugged into usb-c, the mouse now isn't working at all with the dock connected or disconnected. i'm very confused.
[11:26] <mouses> tonytheguitar: Never ran into anything like that, sorry I can't be of more help :(
[11:27] <geirha> zetheroo: comparing   apt show ubuntu-desktop   between 16.04 and 18.04, I see rhythmbox under Recommends in both of them. I guess the difference is that in 16.04 it installed the recommends by default, while in 18.04 it doesn't
[11:28] <BluesKaj> tonytheguitar, is this during the ubuntu install or afterwards?
[11:29] <SimonNL> miek: I'm very confused myself now and I got to go get ready for work. good luck
[11:29] <SimonNL> \o
[11:29] <miek> SimonNL: thanks :)
[11:29] <tonytheguitar> BluesKaj: after install. I change from the Novuea driver to Nvidia and reboot and this happens
[11:30] <Filikun_mobile> Paste.ubuntu.com/p/G3J3ZPxMYT
[11:30] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: looks like you still have a single dash in front of "simulate" only :-/
[11:31] <zetheroo> geirha: ah right.
[11:31] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: is this too complicated / annoying, should we try a different approach with less typing?
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: can you try a lubuntu or xubuntu liveusb as a test? see if graphics work well there
[11:33] <tonytheguitar> lotuspsychje: I could try but I haven't found a download for it yet...
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> !flavors | tonytheguitar
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> tonytheguitar: what kind of specs does your system have other then your card? cpu? ram?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> tonytheguitar, which nvidia card/gpu are you using?
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: the 8600gs
[11:34] <tonytheguitar> lotuspsychje: Can't make a bootable USB from this computer I am on anyways and I can't boot into Ubuntu on the other one where I have that option...
[11:34] <tonytheguitar> BluesKaj: Geforce 8400GS
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> that
[11:35] <Filikun_mobile> Had to pick a phone call sorry. The problem is i cant copy paste it in 😂 im new to this commands and cant search for fails myself
[11:36] <Filikun_mobile> (Filikun_mobile) Paste.ubuntu.com/p/v7TFThNh7Z
[11:36] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: sure, i'm aware, it's tough to get all the input right by just retyping it.
[11:37] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: great, this worked. looking...
[11:38] <Filikun_mobile> It's amazing to me that you know what to look for... And how on earth do you learn all commands?🙂
[11:38] <BluesKaj> ok, that's a pretty old card tonytheguitar, have you considered using the onboard gpu instead ?
[11:39] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: okay this looks good so now it's this: sudo apt-get -y purge *nvidia* 2>&1 | pastebinit; sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[11:39] <tonytheguitar> BluesKaj: I don't have a onboard gpu unfortunately.
[11:40] <BluesKaj> how is that?
[11:40] <BluesKaj> I'm assuming the nvidia is a pci card
[11:42] <Filikun_mobile> Command line option 'p' [from -purge] is not ubderstood...
[11:42] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: double dashbefore "purge", you had only a single. press cursor up to edit
[11:43] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: that'S the "purge" to the end of the line, noit the first one (which has no dashes)
[11:44] <Filikun_mobile> Ah
[11:44] <Filikun_mobile> Ut did go through but i did not get a url
[11:45] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: hmm, any warnings or error on the output?
[11:45] <Filikun_mobile> Dont think so
[11:46] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: can you press up / down cursor keys until you're back to the    dpkg -l *nvidia* | nc termbin.com 9999    we ran earlier, and run it again?
[11:46] <tomreyn> the last one, if there are multiple
[11:47] <Filikun_mobile> (Filikun_mobile) Paste.ubuntu.com/p/ij4w
[11:47] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: you mistyped the paste url
[11:47] <Filikun_mobile> Oh
[11:47] <Filikun_mobile> Termbin.com/ij4w
[11:48] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: okay, one more: sudo apt purge libnvidia-compute-396:i386
[11:48] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: and then the dlkg -l ... again
[11:49] <tomreyn> (just press cursor up twice)
[11:49] <Filikun_mobile> (Filikun_mobile) Termbin.com/k8t5
[11:50] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: great, now just type "reboot"
[11:50] <tonytheguitar> BluesKaj: Really old computer
[11:51] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: what we did now was to remove the nvidia drivers from the (not officially supported) PPA, this should make the system boot again, if in low graphics mode
[11:51] <BluesKaj> tonytheguitar, how old? Can you give us any specs?
[11:52] <Filikun> tomreyn: Wiiho
[11:52] <tomreyn> Filikun_mobile: once we'Re there you can run the application to install proprietary drivers again, which will then give you the proprietary nvidia drivers for the GA kernel again.
[11:52] <tonytheguitar> From around 2002 - 2004 somewhere.
[11:52] <Filikun> tomreyn: Like sudo apt install nvidia-390?
[11:53] <tomreyn> better use: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[11:54] <Filikun> tomreyn: When I'm looking in Software & Updates > Additional Drivers there is NVIDIA drivers there
[11:54] <tomreyn> Filikun: you can do it there, too. ubuntu-drivers is the command line alternative to what you're looking at
[11:54] <Filikun> Oh cool
[11:55] <Filikun> tomreyn: I thought they where installed
[11:55] <Guest61869> Hello, I have a thinkpad X200 (with Libreboot). I am using Xubuntu. Two days ago I ran sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, rebooted my computer but it wouldn't boot. Yesterday I wiped it and reinstalled xubuntu 18.04, worked fine. Upgraded to 18.10 then sudo apt upgrade and it wouldn't boot. Today I wiped it again, installed xubuntu 18.10, worked fine, apt upgrade and it wont boot anymore.
[11:55] <Guest61869> How could I investigate this? I'm using the same computer, on a liveusb xubuntu 18.10 at the moment
[11:55] <EriC^> Guest61869: try booting an older kernel and see if it boots
[11:55] <Filikun> tomreyn:  does sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall install other usuful drivers as well?
[11:55] <EriC^> Guest61869: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" from the live usb
[11:55] <Guest61869> Eric^: The previous kernel did not work but the recovery mode of the previous did work
[11:56] <tomreyn> Filikun: no, i asked you to remove the nvidia drivers when we were working in recovery, since you had the updated ones installed which dont work with the downgraded kernel.
[11:56] <Guest61869> EriC^: https://termbin.com/a67r
[11:56] <tomreyn> Filikun:  "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" will install whatever is listed as recommended at "Software & Updates > Additional Drivers"
[11:57] <BluesKaj> tonytheguitar, recommend you try this for older machines https://lubuntu.me/
[11:57] <Filikun> tomreyn: Yeah I know was I meant was when I saw them in the list now I thought everyone of the options where installed :)
[11:57] <Guest61869> EriC^: I still have access to the internal hard, so I can see /var/log/syslog if that's of any help
[11:57] <EriC^> Guest61869: type "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt"
[11:57] <Guest61869> done
[11:57] <Filikun> tomreyn: Reboot time
[11:57] <BluesKaj> !lubuntu | tonytheguitar
[11:58] <EriC^> Guest61869: type "cat /mnt/var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999"
[11:58] <Guest61869> EriC^: https://termbin.com/x29p
 Filikun: [..] if it turns out the HWE kernel doesn't help, please run this to get more info on your hardware and post it online (so you can share it here): lspci -nnvv | grep -A10  Wireless | nc termbin.com 9999; cat /proc/version /proc/cmdline /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:59] <Guest61869> nc termbin.com 9999 is very convenient :)
[11:59] <tomreyn> Filikun: if you still got patience, this is where we left off ^
[12:00] <Filikun> tomreyn: :D
[12:01] <tomreyn> Filikun: you can substitute "nc termbin.com 9999" by "pastebinit" if you like, both work now.
[12:01] <Filikun> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/kmys and https://termbin.com/3mvac
[12:03] <EriC^> Guest61869: indeed :) it seems to be some i915 (intel driver) related problem
[12:04] <Guest61869> EriC^: Where in my syslog do you see that? :)
[12:04] <Guest61869> (If you don't mind explaining)
[12:05] <Guest61869> Then maybe if you have an idea about how to fix it, that'd be awesome :D
[12:07] <EriC^> Guest61869: search for "i915_request_alloc" i'm not entirely sure though, it's the only difference i spot vs the older pre-update boots
[12:07] <EriC^> Guest61869: type "sudo cat /mnt/var/log/lightdm/!(*.gz) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:07] <tomreyn> Filikun: the first paste shows information on your wireless chipset. you have an Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 or 8275 (or similar) wireless chipset, hardware revision 78. this chipset is also desribed by these numbers: [8086:24fd], a so-called PCI ID. the first number identifies the vendor (Intel, also known for their 80x86 processor architecture, thus they chose 8086 as their PCI ID), the second number identifies the device. you can look
[12:07] <tomreyn> those pairings up on the web and thus get more info on issues and hopefully, fixes,  specific to your actual hardware.
[12:08] <EriC^> maybe the lightdm logs show why it suddenly gets a "failure status"
[12:08] <Guest61869> EriC^: https://termbin.com/ftd6
[12:09] <tomreyn> Filikun: so if you search the web for (e.g.)    Ubuntu "18.04" "[8086:24fd]" suspend    you may find some articles or forum posts which discuss the same (or similar, or ralated, or entirely unrelated ;-) ) issue.
[12:09] <Filikun> tomreyn: Thanks a bunch!
[12:10] <Filikun> tomreyn: What would I have done without you :)
[12:10] <Guest61869> EriC^: Looks like either "client bug: timer event5 debounce short: offset negative (-2ms)" or "no screens found(EE)" :s
[12:10] <EriC^> Guest61869: ah if you scroll to the bottom in the -14 kernel it has a different output
[12:10] <tomreyn> Filikun: when looking at those posts, you'd ignore any which are actually about old kernel or old ubuntu versions. your kernel version (4.1.5) and ubuntu bersion (18.04 LTS) are listed on the second paste you made.
[12:11] <Guest61869> EriC^: Yes, the -14 says no screens found. Hmm I don't see why
[12:11] <Filikun> tomreyn: That's useful :) I have a nother question if it's ok?
[12:12] <Guest61869> EriC^: I have two monitors if that matters. My X200 is plugged in its ultrabase why is connected via VGA to another monitor.
[12:12] <tomreyn> Filikun: one more hint on this. the first paste, https://termbin.com/kmys , on the last line, also tells you which driver is currently being used to manage this hardware (there probably is only this one driver available). drivers usually have options you can experiment with. "modinfo -p iwlwifi" will list all the driver options available on this version of the driver (which actually comes with your kernel version, 4.15.x, since this is an open
[12:12] <tomreyn> source driver which is actually part of the linux open source kernel - making much hardware run out of the box)
[12:12] <Guest61869> Well that souldn't matter I guess since when I remove it from its ultrabase, it won't boot either
[12:13] <EriC^> Guest61869: what do the drivers look like and stuff? type "sudo lshw -c video | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:14] <Guest61869> EriC^: https://termbin.com/5ej7
[12:14] <Filikun> tomreyn: Wow okay
[12:15] <tomreyn> Filikun: finally, while power saving is always something you usually want to work on a laptop, at least when you use it as a mobile, not stationary device, power saving can also create conflicts with suspend / resume. knowing this, you may want to try experimenting with the 'power' related options the driver provides.
[12:15] <Guest61869> EriC^: There's no answer but that could be the same problem this guys is having https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2411866
[12:15] <Filikun> tomreyn: Ah alright, this is a stationary computer but it's good to know!
[12:16] <Filikun> tomreyn: To another topic, I'm trying to make an application start with Ubuntu. So I have put it in the Startu Applications Preferences. But it wont start
[12:17] <Guest61869> EriC^: Here is another thinkpad having problem with 4.18.0-14 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813657
[12:17] <tomreyn> Filikun: so you'd like to ignore the wireless issues for now?
[12:17] <Filikun> tomreyn: It is Signal (Message) and I simply put signal as the command as per a guide I read. Is this the right way?
[12:17] <Filikun> tomreyn: Yeah I need a break from the advanced stuff hahaha
[12:18] <EriC^> Guest61869: isnt it that 4.18.0-10 doesnt work for you as well though?
[12:18] <Filikun> tomreyn: I did save what you wrote though.
[12:18] <tomreyn> Filikun: fine with me. ;-)   unfortunatley auto-starting desktop apps is a bit advanced for myself. i'll see if i can find out how to do it properly.
[12:18] <Guest61869> EriC^: Right. I guess I should try again to be sure
[12:19] <Guest61869> I'd need to change my grub config as it doesn't display anything by default.
[12:19] <EriC^> Guest61869: holding shift when the pc starts should give the grub screen
[12:20] <Guest61869> EriC^: Oh, that's a lot easier than editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:20] <EriC^> Guest61869: try to do it barebones with just the 1 monitor just to minimize stuff that could be causing the problem
[12:20] <Guest61869> Ok
[12:20] <Guest61869> EriC^: So I'll reboot with one monitor, holding shift and I'll try all the available options (different kernels and recovery) then come back here :)
[12:21] <EriC^> alright :)
[12:23] <tomreyn> Filikun: i assume you installed signal by clicking on the pengiun at https://signal.org/download/ and following the instructions provided?
[12:24] <Filikun> tomreyn: Yass
[12:25] <tomreyn> Filikun: run this:  ln -s /usr/share/applications/signal-desktop.desktop ~/.config/autostart/
[12:25] <Filikun> Done
[12:25] <tomreyn> Filikun: then log out and log in again. if i'm not mistaken this should make it start then
[12:27] <Filikun> tomreyn: Yay! It worked!  Or is that some really advanced coding right there?
[12:28] <Filikun> tomreyn: next level*
[12:29] <tomreyn> Filikun: i wouldn not know how OTOH
[12:29] <tomreyn> Filikun: i wouldn't not know how OTOH
[12:30] <Filikun> tomreyn: Thank you so much for helping me today!
[12:31] <BluesKaj> !cookie | tomreyn
[12:31] <tomreyn> Filikun: actually we could have done the same graphically, using the "gnome-tweaks" utility, you can install.
[12:31] <tomreyn> it has a "startup applications" editor.
[12:31] <Filikun> tomreyn: The what?
[12:31] <tomreyn> and thanks for the cookies :)
[12:32] <Filikun> Haha wtf cookies
[12:32] <Filikun> Love it
[12:32] <BluesKaj> :-)
[12:32] <tomreyn> apt search --names-only gnome-tweaks; sudo apt install gnome-tweaks
[12:33] <Filikun> done
[12:33] <Filikun> tomreyn: Woo what is thiiis
[12:34] <tomreyn> windows-key + type: gnome-tweaks
[12:34] <Filikun> tomreyn: Cool
[12:35]  * tomreyn nom nom nom
[12:35] <Hackwar> hi folks, I hope you can help me with raspbian as well, since #raspbian has no activity right now and I also think that it isn't a specific raspbian issue. I'm using raspbian lite with matchbox as window manager and midori to display a website. Unfortunately, the website is not displayed correctly, because the whole display looks to be shifted upwards by maybe 150px. Anybody got an idea?
[12:35] <anotine---> EriC^: Ok so -14 did not work. -14 recovery worked but it said internal error something: xserver-worg-core received a SIGABRT. -10 works, I am using it at the moment. -10 recovery works and doesn't say internal error.
[12:35] <anotine---> EriC^: I am Guest something from 10mn ago :)
[12:36] <gigirock> anotine---, you mean ubuntu 14 ?
[12:36] <EriC^^> anotine---: great, good to hear
[12:36] <anotine---> gigirock: I mean kernel 4.18.0-14
[12:37] <BluesKaj> Hackwar, why not use the default browser on raspbian? it works well on my rpi3
[12:37] <tomreyn> Hackwar: here's how you can install ubuntu on this hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RaspberryPi
[12:37] <gigirock> anotine---, it seems your xserver is fault, what is the matter ? nvidia card ?
[12:38] <anotine---> gigirock: My laptop is an old lenovo thinkpad X200. I believe it doesn't have a dedicated gpu, only an intel hd something
[12:38] <Hackwar> BluesKaj: the system is supposed to be a presentation system without any user interaction and with all available power for the server.
[12:39] <anotine---> gigrock: I don't thing there is an nvidia card inside. How can I check? :)
[12:39] <anotine---> think*
[12:39] <tomreyn> Hackwar: raspian has little similarity with ubuntu, so we don't support it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspbian - you can try to get support with it in its dedicated irc channel or in ##linux, though
[12:39] <Hackwar> ok
[12:39] <gigirock> anotine if you have a terminal lshw can give you something about or sudo apt install inxi then inxi -F
[12:40] <anotine---> gigirock: lshw | grep nvidia doesn't say anything
[12:40] <Firefly67> does anyone know how to change the default location where a window appears when opened? currently the upper left corner is outside the screen which makes moving it or resizing it difficult
[12:41] <gigirock> anotine---, I don't know your trouble : you are installing what , and it is happen when etc etc
[12:42] <EriC^^> Firefly67: what DE are you using?
[12:42] <anotine---> gigirock: Sorry I forgot to mention it. I explained it all a few minutes ago under another nickname
[12:42] <anotine---> I'll explain again :)
[12:43] <EriC^^> anotine---: there's not really a fix for the issue, you'll have to use the -10 kernel for now til a newer kernel comes out, or if you need a newer kernel you can always use the mainline kernels ubuntu provides in case those have the fix
[12:44] <anotine---> I have a lenovo thinkpad X200 (running Libreboot). I am using Xubuntu 18.10. Two days ago I sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade then my computer wouldn't start. I wiped it yesterday, installed xubuntu 18.04, worked fine, upgraded to 18.10 worked fine, upgraded then it wouldn't start. I wiped it again, installed Xubuntu 18.10, worked fine, apt upgrade and it wouldn't start anymore.
[12:44] <EriC^^> anotine---: if you want to keep using -10 for now you can edit /etc/default/grub and update-grub so it's the default choice when the pc boots, let me know if you want to do that
[12:45] <tomreyn> EriC^^: do we have a bug report on this, yet? do we know why it fails to boot with the updated kernel?
[12:45] <Firefly67> eric^^, gnome I think. The default for Ubuntu 16.04
[12:45] <anotine---> EriC^^: I guess I'll keep using -10 until a new kernel (that hopefully fixes the bug) comes out.
[12:46] <EriC^^> Firefly67: type "echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP"
[12:46] <tomreyn> EriC^^: i'm referring to anotine--- there. if we don't have those info, should we guide anotine--- to file a bug?
[12:46] <anotine---> EriC^^: What is "the mainline kernels ubuntu provides". Isn't that what I'm already using?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> by the way 7/2 18.04.2 comes out, might fix alot of things
[12:46] <EriC^^> tomreyn: there's a bunch of them, yeah
[12:46] <tomreyn> EriC^^: can you point me to one of them?
[12:47] <EriC^^> anotine---: no mainline kernels are very new ones
[12:47] <Firefly67> eric^^, I get "Unity"
[12:47] <EriC^^> !mainline | anotine---
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hackwar, maybe #raspberrypi chat can answer your question
[12:47] <EriC^^> Firefly67: compiz config settings manager can do window stuff for it
[12:47] <EriC^^> Firefly67: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:47] <piensken> hi all
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> welcome piensken
[12:47] <piensken> :)
[12:47] <anotine---> EriC^^: Ok, thanks!
[12:48] <EriC^^> tomreyn: this is one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813657
[12:48] <tomreyn> EriC^^: thanks!
[12:48] <gigirock> anotine---, stupid workaround: did you boot with the 'previous' kernel ?
[12:48] <piensken> I have issues with dependencies.. and I don't want to have a fixed answer.. I just want to understand.. :) what is da dependencie
[12:48] <EriC^^> anotine---: no problem
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> piensken: did you add external ppa's to your system?
[12:48] <EriC^^> tomreyn: no problem
[12:48] <tomreyn> "I'm using a distro that is based off of Ubuntu 18.04."
[12:49] <BluesKaj> !dependency | piensken
[12:49] <anotine---> gigirock: Yes, -14 doesn't work. -14 reovery works but complains of an internal error. -10 works (using it at the moment). -10 recovery works :).
[12:49] <BluesKaj> !dependencies | piensken
[12:49] <BluesKaj> heh
[12:49] <piensken> when i try to purge with dpkg -P I get not purged error dependency error cbo-client-libl depends on scripts
[12:50] <JimBuntu> piensken, In software, a dependency is a piece of software or file required to already be present before some other piece of software can work. Is that what you mean?
[12:50] <anotine---> EriC^^: So should I use the -10 kernel then wait for a kernel upgrade within xubuntu and see if that fixes the bug?
[12:50] <piensken> BluesKaj: I get nothing :p
[12:50] <tomreyn> anotine---: do you actually use ubuntu there? i'm just asking because someone who reported similar issues does not actrually use ubuntu.
[12:50] <BluesKaj> !info dependencies | piensken
[12:50] <piensken> and goolge also
[12:50] <EriC^^> anotine---: yeah, it's a good idea
[12:50] <piensken> bionic?
[12:50] <piensken> :p
[12:50] <gigirock> anotine---, so you have a intel proc on a intel chipset ?
[12:50] <anotine---> temreyn: I am currently using "Linux antoine-X200 4.18.0-10-generic #11-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 11 15:13:55 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[12:50] <piensken> oh ok :) its debian.. :p haha
[12:51] <tomreyn> anotine---: "lsb_release -ds" would be what i'd be interested in
[12:51] <piensken> nvm :p ill go to the debian room :)
[12:51] <super_koza> Hi! I have a folder full of data which have wrong permissions.
[12:51] <piensken> thx for the help :p
[12:51] <anotine---> temreyn: "Ubuntu 18.10
[12:51] <anotine---> "
[12:51] <gigirock> anotine---, can you paste cat /proc/*release* ?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | super_koza
[12:51] <Firefly67> eric^^, I have installed CompizConfig settings manager now
[12:51] <tomreyn> anotine---: okay, thanks, looks like proepr ubuntu
[12:51] <tomreyn> *proper
[12:51] <EriC^^> super_koza: ownership or just the rwx bits?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> piensken, open your package manger and check the application dependencies tab
[12:52] <BluesKaj> manager
[12:52] <anotine---> gigirock: It says no such file :s
[12:52] <anotine---> EriC^^: If I want to keep using -10, do I edit /etc/default/grub?
[12:52] <Firefly67> eric^^, do I now have to do something with windows management -> place windows?
[12:53] <piensken> BluesKaj: we only have terminal..
[12:53] <EriC^^> anotine---: yeah, type "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:53] <gigirock> anotine---, can you paste cat /etc/*release* ? sorry
[12:54] <EriC^^> Firefly67: yup
[12:54] <anotine---> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/79p4
[12:55] <EriC^^> Firefly67: try the Fixed window placement
[12:55] <anotine---> gigirock: https://termbin.com/0u1t
[12:55] <EriC^^> Firefly67: maybe you can decide the 1,2,3,4 window's positions
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | root
[12:55] <BluesKaj> piensken,  https://askubuntu.com/questions/361741/what-are-dependencies
[12:56] <EriC^^> Firefly67: or maybe some Snapping Windows stuff
[12:56] <piensken> thx!!
[12:57] <Firefly67> eric^^, I am looking at that, wondering if "keep in workarea" is the correct option. I just don't want the upper left corner to be outside the screen. It wasn't like that earlier, I don't know what happened to make it like that now
[12:57] <super_koza> Ups, you guys got ahead of me...
[12:57] <super_koza> I need to change only the permissions
[12:58] <super_koza> but I would like to set different permissions to directories and files.
[12:58] <piensken> ok BluesKaj  this is clear, now when I can't purge a package bc it doesn't have the dependencys, can I add the dep?  or remove the package in another way? last time I ended installing a new server thinking the hdd was broken
[12:58] <super_koza> For example 750 for directories and 640 for files.
[12:58] <BluesKaj> piensken, why purge, just remove is safer
[12:59] <piensken> BluesKaj: dpkg -r then.. I will try it. :) last time when I tried apt-get it killed the hdd :p
[12:59] <BluesKaj> pi because purging dependencies will break other packages that depend on them
[12:59] <BluesKaj> piensken,^
[13:00] <EriC^^> Firefly67: where is the "keep in workarea" option? i cant find it under placement/snapping
[13:00] <EriC^^> Firefly67: i also have the "Grid" option checked
[13:00] <piensken> i will try it BluesKaj  thx :)
[13:01] <Firefly67> eric^^, I found it under "windows with fixed positions"
[13:01] <EriC^^> Firefly67: you could try logging into the guest account or creating a temp user account and compare the settings for both users if it works in the guest one
[13:02] <EriC^^> Firefly67: ah, my fixed position stuff is completely blank
[13:02] <EriC^^> maybe that's it
[13:02] <anotine---> EriC^^: If I edit /etc/default/grub to use -10, when a newer kernel comes out, will it overwrite what's in /etc/default/grub or do I have to remember to manually edit it to use the newest kernel?
[13:02] <piensken> BluesKaj:  dpkg -r is also giving me the same error. another way to remove the package?
[13:02] <EriC^^> anotine---: no it won't, you'll have to manually edit /etc/default/grub back
[13:02] <Firefly67> eric^^, whatever I've tried till now hasn't worked yet, still trying to figure out
[13:03] <anotine---> EriC^^: Ok then!
[13:03] <EriC^^> anotine---: type "sudo nano /etc/default/grub"
[13:04] <anotine---> EriC^^: Ok, done
[13:05] <super_koza> To answer my own question, it can be done with find
[13:05] <super_koza> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3740152/how-do-i-change-permissions-for-a-folder-and-all-of-its-subfolders-and-files-in
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | super_koza
[13:06] <anotine---> EriC^^: Do I just replace "GRUB_DEFAULT=0" with 'GRUB_DEFAULT="Options avancées pour Ubuntu>Ubuntu, avec Linux 4.18.0-14-generic"'?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> piensken, suggest you ask in #debian since it's their permissions and packages are somewhat different
[13:07] <piensken> BluesKaj: ok :) but the channel is lame :p you need to ask a bot :p haha but I allready know more :) thx
[13:08] <EriC^^> anotine---: yeah, except use -10-generic :)
[13:08] <anotine---> EriC^^: Yep, my bad haha
[13:09] <anotine---> All right, rebooting. Will see if it works!!
[13:09] <BluesKaj> piensken, you could also ask in ## linux
[13:09] <BluesKaj> err ##linux
[13:10] <anotine---> EriC^^: Awesome, it works well :)
[13:10] <anotine---> I'll be following https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1813657!
[13:11] <anotine---> Is there anything I should report to help with that bug?
[13:11] <XxSYDxX> I uninstalled python3 and everything is lost now. i lost terminal, ubuntu software, many other applications. I'm on virtual terminal right now. What do i do?
[13:12] <anotine---> Off to eat, I'll read messages in a bit. Let me know if I can help by reporting anything to launchpad
[13:12] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: type "cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999"
[13:13] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: paste the link here
[13:15] <XxSYDxX> EriC^^: https://termbin.com/rp2o
[13:19] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: we can try to reinstall everything that was removed
[13:20] <XxSYDxX> how?
[13:22] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: you'll need to copy the list of packages, and parse them into "package package2 etc" then feed that to apt using xargs, you'll need sed -e 's/([^()]*)//g' to parse out the ( ) and some other sed 's/replacethis/withthis/g'
[13:23] <coconut> wauw... what a list
[13:23] <EriC^^> i've to eat lunch brb in 10mins or so and i can help out with it if you're still here
[13:28] <MJCD> random question
[13:29] <tomreyn> XxSYDxX: the problematic one is "Start-Date: 2019-02-05  18:44:07" and the autoremove after that
[13:29] <MJCD> but does anyone know of a native-command line interface (cli) as a kind of window manager
[13:29] <tomreyn> oh they left.
[13:29] <MJCD> with mouse support etc
[13:29] <coconut> MJCD: midnight commander
[13:31] <MJCD> this appears to be for xorg
[13:31] <MJCD> aka not native cli
[13:32] <tomreyn> MJCD: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/window_manager has a good list
[13:32] <MJCD> I don't want a xorg window manager
[13:32] <MJCD> all of those are x
[13:32] <MJCD> I am already using and loving i3wm
[13:33] <tomreyn> MJCD: they aren't alll X based, no. the list is mixed, those which deepend on Xsay so.
[13:33] <MJCD> oooh you're right
[13:33] <MJCD> ok
[13:33] <MJCD> thanks heaps
[13:33] <MJCD> :D
[13:35] <MJCD> any opinions on mutter?
[13:35] <MJCD> and if so, should I use weyland or nah?
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> MJCD: perhaps you can discuss things in #ubuntu-discuss
[13:36] <MJCD> ty
[13:37] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: i'm back
[13:38] <XxSYDxX> me too
[13:38] <XxSYDxX> i didnt understand the last thing you said
[13:38] <EriC^^> i'm preparing the list now, 1 sec
[13:40] <cryptodan> XxSYDxX: he stated that you needed to make an apt friendly list to reinstall the packages that were removed.
[13:40] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: this is the list, type "wget -O /tmp/packages https://termbin.com/aqgo"
[13:40] <XxSYDxX> cryptodan: hmm, thanks for the explanation
[13:40] <XxSYDxX> wait
[13:40] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: then type "sudo xargs -a /tmp/packages apt-get install --reinstall -y"
[13:41] <XxSYDxX> ok
[13:45] <liyaoming> 1
[13:46] <liyaoming> shutdown
[13:48] <XxSYDxX> EriC^^: Packages are coming back! Thanks a lot, man. You guyz are really helpful. I owe you!
[13:49] <coconut> XxSYDxX: yes they are great
[13:49] <EriC^^> XxSYDxX: great! no problem
[13:50] <MJCD> weird issue: my mouse scroll sucks and there's no setting to make it better in mouse settings
[14:00] <CoinBR> Hello there. My connection to GitHub is VERY slow when auth to it via SSH. Just tried to connect to a AWS EC2 instance now (ssh again) and it was so slow that I got a timmed out error. Is this problem Ubuntu related? I'm using Xubuntu 18.04
[14:01] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, doubtful it's strictly due to Ubuntu
[14:04] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: do you now wheres the sshd_config located? I could only find ssh_config
[14:05] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, I'm not sure for that version/flavor, are you looking for /etc/init.d/ssh ?
[14:06] <JimBuntu> There should also be a /etc/ssh/ssh_config though
[14:06] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, oops, sorry, meant /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[14:07] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: Saw some posts adivising to set UseDNS off. Not sure what it does, or where the file is located =/ theres no /etc/init.d/ssh file in my system
[14:08] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: cat: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: No such file or directory
[14:08] <CoinBR> =(
[14:08] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, do you experience the same slowness if you SSH on your LAN ( from machine to machine )
[14:09] <tomreyn> CoinBR: the d in sshD_config stands for dameoin. when you initiate a connection to a remote host, no ssh daemon is involved on your end.
[14:09] <CVirus> Can't I change the number of workspaces I have by default in 18.10 ?
[14:09] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, yeah, it sounds like you don't have openssh server installed, which is fine
[14:10] <tomreyn> CoinBR: i.e. you only need to make sure the ssh client configuration is not broken on your end. the default configuration file for the openssh client is /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[14:10] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: I dont know, and not really sure how I would test it. What I know is that if I push to github by https (typing my username and pwd) its really fast. By if I do it by SSH it is REALLY slow. Same if I try to git clone. And now I get timmed out when trying to connect to a AWS EC2 via SSH =( sorry for being so noob
[14:11] <CoinBR> tomreyn: Oh, yeah, I see. (its not related the daemon, since Im being the client)
[14:11] <tomreyn> CoinBR: the ssh client offers -v (can be used multiple times which can increase verbosity, which may help with identifying root causes of such issues.
[14:11] <JimBuntu> ^^ as in -vv or -vvv etc
[14:13] <CoinBR> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/dkbxr21r           i`ll try with git clone now
[14:16] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, are you certain port 22 is open on the EC2 instance and that it's listening for SSH connections on that port?
[14:17] <tomreyn> it does currently
[14:22] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: https://i.imgur.com/3UMmDWb.png
[14:23] <CoinBR> tomreyn: JimBuntu: Sorry guys, I'm slow. Looks like I cant -vvv when cloning from github. But theres still a HUGE difference in speed between doing it by HTTPS and SSH
[14:24] <JimBuntu> Ok. I see it's not being blocked by the security group at AWS, still unsure if it's listening, just to be sure. Do you have another machine on your LAN that you can SSH into?
[14:24] <CoinBR> tomreyn: JimBuntu:   My /etc/ssh/ssh_config file: https://pastebin.com/JGeaP3Vu
[14:25] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, looks normal, except I thiink there might be 1 line missing
[14:25] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: hold on, ill find and grab a laptop
[14:26] <CoinBR> JimBuntu:     GSSAPIAuthentication yes (this is the last line. Theres only a blank line after it
[14:27] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, I show 'GSSAPIDelegateCredentials no' as a default for mine, but I don't think that's related to the issue at all.
[14:29] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: I`ll change it to no, and try. Do i have to restart a ssh service or something after that?
[14:29] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: Im booting the laptop. Will search in the web how to enable ssh server on it and try to connect to it
[14:31] <tomreyn> CoinBR: "GSSAPIAuthentication yes" seems to be default. https://pastebin.com/dkbxr21r doesn't indicate any issues (but also not the command that produced this output).
[14:32] <tomreyn> CoinBR: sudo apt update && sudo apt install openssh-server
[14:33] <CoinBR> tomreyn: stuck with the dpkg frontend lock. Rebooting it =/
[14:34] <BluesKaj> unattended updates, a pita
[14:42] <compdoc> the swapfile that Ubuntu creates at install tends to be 2G in size, even if the pc has 8G or more of ram. Can the file grow as needed, or do i have to manually enlarge it?
[14:44] <CoinBR> tomreyn: JimBuntu: well, I can connect pretty fast to a laptop in my LAN via SSH. I just ssh ip_address, and typed the credentials, and it instatly logins
[14:45] <tomreyn> CoinBR: and can you ssh from that laptop to github any fasterß
[14:45] <tomreyn> ?
[14:46] <CoinBR> tomreyn: its an old laptop, but lets try it!
[14:51] <gvvg> Hi - I've got a ubuntu 14.04 LTS system - it is a raid 1 MD system - everything is working well finally :) I want to ask a precaution move it to a new system - new hardware - can anyone suggest a procedure to move it to a new system maintaining the MD raid 1? is there a utility I can use or procedure?
[14:54] <tomreyn> gvvg: are you going to move the disks, the raw block devices on top of the array, or data on those file systems?
[14:54] <tomreyn> gvvg: also 14.04 has 2 m,onths left.
[14:54] <gvvg> maybe the easiest way is just to put the new disks in the new system
[14:54] <gvvg> yes I know about the end of life for 14.04
[14:54] <gvvg> thanks
[14:55] <lordcirth__> gvvg, I would do a fresh 18.04 install on the new hardware (with md raid1), copy your data over, and test.
[14:56] <tomreyn> same
[14:56] <gvvg> lordcirth__: that's a good idea since I have a working system now I feel more confident and the system will be up to date - thanks
[14:56] <lordcirth__> A good time to test your backups, as well.
[15:04] <system16> hi
[15:05] <system16> windows has a button that if you hover / click on it , it will show the desktop
[15:05] <system16> can i get this in ubuntu too ?
[15:05] <system16> im running the latest lts version
[15:09] <anonymip> system16, maybe this is something for you: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2018/10/add-show-desktop-button-ubuntu-18-10-18-04/
[15:10] <system16> thanks
[15:10] <anonymip> do you know where I found it?
[15:11] <tomreyn> system16: if a keyboard shortcut also works, meta-d
[15:12] <tomreyn> where "meta" is AKA the key with some other operating systems' logo on it
[15:12] <system16> i prefer a button
[15:12] <lordcirth__> Isn't that Super?
[15:12] <lordcirth__> I guess both
[15:13] <tomreyn> sint super == alt? i always mix those up
[15:13] <lordcirth__> Super is Win key
[15:13] <CoinBR> tomreyn: JimBuntu: Its quite slow in the laptop too. I tried both with LAN and Wifi.   See the difference between SSH and HTTPS: https://youtu.be/uv3mnv903Rw
[15:13] <tomreyn> then you're right and i stand corrected, thanks.
[15:14] <system16> thanks ! it works flawlessly
[15:14] <system16> also i have another question
[15:15] <system16> the desktop has a gt9400 gpu
[15:15] <system16> currently its using the xorg driver
[15:15] <CoinBR> tomreyn: JimBuntu: Ill try now with my 4g, to see if it gets any better (in the laptop)
[15:15] <system16> should i change it to the nvidia one
[15:15] <tomreyn> CoinBR: the right side temrinal window seems fast, but maybe that's just because you started recording late?
[15:15] <system16> one strange thing that i notice when i do that is i see some text on startup. bunch of these : [OK]
[15:16] <system16> this wont happen when i use the xorg driver
[15:16] <tomreyn> oh thats https
[15:17] <JimBuntu> CoinBR, does the ssh git clone ever even finish?
[15:18] <CoinBR> JimBuntu: yes, it finished
[15:19] <JimBuntu> interesting. 2 machines, both having the same issue with SSH being very much slower than HTTPS to the point that you could timeout trying to log in.
[15:19] <system16> is that normal ?
[15:19] <system16> is it because its an old driver ?
[15:20] <tomreyn> CoinBR: run ssh with -vvv and check (and tell) where it sits so long.
[15:20] <system16> also is it possible to reduce animations ?
[15:21] <system16> for example, the app menu animation
[15:23] <tomreyn> system16: install and run gnome-tweaks, this lets you configure a couple things. if the gnome-shell is too heavy for your hardware, you can use gnome-flashback or switch to an ubuntu flavor with a less demanding desktop
[15:24] <CoinBR> tomreyn: JimBuntu : weird update: When I use my phones internet, both of then run at similar speeds. SSH got way faster and HTTPS got slower (due to bandwidth limitatinos): check it out: https://youtu.be/W7uOZfTx5zY
[15:25] <flan_suse> How can I have my USB ports power off when I suspend my laptop?
[15:26] <system16> it runs fine but i think reducing the animation will help the poor thing
[15:26] <system16> after all, its a gt 9400
[15:26] <tomreyn> system16: your graphics card compared to other comon ones https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+9400+GT&id=11
[15:27] <system16> as you can see, its sucks
[15:28] <tomreyn> CoinBR: so you've worked out that it's a network issue, not an ubuntu issue.
[15:28] <tomreyn> flan_suse: configure it on your mainboard firmware configuration interface ("BIOS")
[15:29] <flan_suse> tomreyn: There is no such option nor file to config in Linux?
[15:29] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Because under Windows, such options exist under Power Settings.
[15:29] <tomreyn> system16: yes, pretty old. okay, i wasn'tr sure whether you were saying it should be fast
[15:30] <tomreyn> system16: if something dedicated is slower than an intel GPU then you have a good indication that you should go shopping.
[15:30] <tomreyn> (if in a free shop)
[15:30] <system16> tomreyn, gnome-tweaks gives the option to turn off animations but i dont want to disable all animations.
[15:33] <flan_suse> I have no such options in my USB to have all USB ports power off during suspend
[15:33] <tomreyn> flan_suse: if this exists in windows then it's because the hardware vendor provides a device specific driver for it which integrates with the firmware, i guess. neither OS could do it out of the box.
[15:33] <flan_suse> That's why I was wondering if there was a command or file I could edit to do so.
[15:33] <flan_suse> Hmmmmmm.
[15:34] <flan_suse> *in my BIOS
[15:34] <system16> i have experience with terminal. so im ok with you giving me commands . just post them on paste.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <tomreyn> flan_suse: actually i missed that you asked about suspend, not power off. it's possible that there is an ACPI 'command' which the OS could send to have the firmware withdraw power off the USB.
[15:35] <flan_suse> tomreyn: I'm looking around for it.
[15:35] <tomreyn> flan_suse: but i'm afraid i lack understanding of this area.
[15:36] <flan_suse> tomreyn: However, online searching falls short, since people are describing other unrelated issues.
[15:36] <flan_suse> tomreyn: No problem.
[15:37] <flan_suse> tomreyn: A use-case if plugging in a USB-powered device, such as a fan. When I suspend my laptop, I want the fan to turn off as well.
[15:37] <XxSYDxX> EriC^^: I noticed, i have no settings option
[15:38] <XxSYDxX> how to install ubuntu settings?
[15:38] <tomreyn> system16: i think with this hardware you're much better off with an alternative desktop. also i would not know how to disable single effects but not others.
[15:38] <tomreyn> flan_suse: which hardware is this?
[15:38] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Me or system16?
[15:39] <tomreyn> flan_suse: "which hardware is this?" was addressed to you
[15:39] <ioria> XxSYDxX, apt -s install --reinstall   gnome-control-center
[15:40] <ioria> XxSYDxX, sorry, sudo apt install --reinstall   gnome-control-center
[15:40] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Oh. It's a System76 laptop, Gazelle Pro. No longer sold by them anymore. Very, very limited BIOS options.
[15:40] <XxSYDxX> ioria: thanks
[15:40] <ioria> XxSYDxX, ok
[15:41] <tomreyn> flan_suse: i'd say contact customer service, aren't they good there with such things?
[15:41] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Yes, but in the past when I did, I already "knew" the answer. I contacted them about something similar, but there was nothing they could do because of the limited options.
[15:43] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Going to try a script I found.
[15:43] <flan_suse> tomreyn: it "unbids" the USB hub, so that might do the trick?
[15:43] <flan_suse> *unbinds
[15:43] <flan_suse> I'll let you know.
[15:43] <tomreyn> flan_suse: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/165447/turning-off-power-to-usb-port-or-turn-off-power-to-entire-usb-subsystem
[15:44] <flan_suse> tomreyn: I tried those, no luck.
[15:45] <tomreyn> flan_suse: i don't know any better, good luck!
[15:49] <martiansoul> Hi. I am using kde-neon unstable dev. edition and while installing the non kde dependencies listed on: https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Build_from_source/Install_the_dependencies, the "libkf5.*-dev" shows output: https://pastebin.com/hm6vRG8v also, while building kbruch from kdesrc-build it shows many build failures and the error log shows: https://pastebin.com/mPiA0La5  How to resolve these?
[15:51] <tomreyn> martiansoul: since you are running an unstable (and surely unsupported, here) development version, maybe you could turn to a kde support channel to get help with the kde software.
[15:52] <ikonia> delta94
[15:52] <ikonia> oops
[15:52] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Here's an update.
[15:53] <tomreyn> flan_suse: no.
[15:53] <ikonia> alpha41
[15:53] <ikonia> ughh, sorry, my terminal keeps taking focus
[15:54] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Apparently, no matter what I try, you are correct, it is the BIOS that supplies 5V of power to the USB ports. Even the "unbind" commands simply tell the device to power off, but the device must support it. When it is a "dumb" device, like a desk fan that runs on 5V USB power, the "unbind" command means nothing to it, and it will still run.
[15:55] <tomreyn> flan_suse: right, the OS can't control it, just state what it would like things to be like, and then this may be ignored.
[15:55] <tomreyn> (or not understood)
[15:55] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Yup. Well it was worth a shot.
[15:55] <flan_suse> tomreyn: Thanks for your time either way. Appreciate it.
[15:56] <tomreyn> you're welcome, flan_suse
[15:57] <mrchairman> imagine a handsome guy logs into his remote server with a remote ssh key, but then he wants to login to that server using another computer?!?!? what should this dude do?
[15:58] <mrchairman> by remote ssh key, I mean private key (doh)
[16:00] <JimBuntu> mrchairman, That dude should either create another key unique to that other system or share their existing key.
[16:02] <CarlFK> mrchairman: do you want to log into A, then from A login to B?
[16:02] <mrchairman> CarlFk, no
[16:02] <mrchairman> I want to login to Server, using computer 1 or computer 2
[16:02] <mrchairman> JimBuntu: I think I will just copy the keys, it just seems faster to me
[16:03] <CarlFK> ah.  yeah, either put your key on both, or make a 2nd key for 2 and add that to server
[16:03] <CarlFK> mrchairman: ssh-import-id is fastest ;)
[16:04] <mrchairman> i will look that up
[16:04] <CarlFK> (assuming you have a launchpad or github account setup with your key.
[16:04] <acebrianjuan> Hi all
[16:04] <mrchairman> oh no, this will be me using a usbkey to transfer the key
[16:04] <acebrianjuan> Does ubuntu use X11?
[16:04] <mrchairman> I'm going old school cool here
[16:04] <CarlFK> oh wait.. that sets up public keys on the server, not the 2nd box
[16:05] <acebrianjuan> In particular, Ubuntu 18.04
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: 18.04 uses xorg by default, wayland choosable at login
[16:06] <mrchairman> is the new pinebook pro a tablet?
[16:07] <mrchairman> (can i even ask that here? if not, sorry)
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> mrchairman: only ubuntu support questions here please
[16:07] <mrchairman> lotuspsychje: I'm sorry, I'll take it to #offtopic
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> mrchairman: you can ask in ##hardware if you like
[16:07] <mrchairman> actually thats even better
[16:08] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: ok, I'm filing a bug report and I'm being asked which is my platform. The options I have are: Linux/X11, Linux/Wayland, Linux/Other display system
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: its reccomended to file a bug from terminal, aka ubuntu-bug yourpackage
[16:09] <acebrianjuan> so I don't know whih I should choose
[16:09] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: It's not a Ubuntu bug report
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: what is your bug about please?
[16:09] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: run this in a terminal: echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[16:09] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: Its a bug in the Qt framework
[16:09] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: x11
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: but you use ubuntu right?
[16:10] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: yes, Qt uses Jira to file bug reports: https://bugreports.qt.io/issues/
[16:11] <addajones> is there any way to get the ubuntu login screen to be at 200% hiDpi?
[16:11] <addajones> its always SO zoome out
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> acebrianjuan: allright, good luck with the solving!
[16:11] <addajones> zoomed *
[16:14] <acebrianjuan> lotuspsychje: thank you :)
[16:14] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: thank you :)
[16:18] <tomreyn> addajones: try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI
[16:18] <breiz> Hi all, I updated the kernel of Ubuntu Mate 18.10 this morning. from 4.18.0-10-generic to 4.18.0-14-generic (I think). Since then it hangs at boot. The ssd is encrypted so would normally ask for password before boot. Now I get an error stating "Gave up waiting for root device, ubuntu--mate--vg root does not exist" and then it drops to initramfs. This seems like a bug. Is there any way to fix this?
[16:19] <tgm4883> breiz: can you boot a previous kernel?
[16:19] <breiz> tgm4883: that worked before now it shows the same message
[16:20] <tgm4883> breiz: did you update anything else at the same time? You might have to wait for someone more knowledgable on boot up processes than I
[16:22] <Neonix7> Hi everybody, first time here :-)
[16:22] <breiz> tgm4883: Nope just that. I have a laptop without encryption that doesn't have that problem it seems. I'm guessing it is the encrypted volume that gives problems. Thanks for the help though!
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> welcome to ubuntu support Neonix7
[16:23] <addajones> tomreyn, i appreciate it i know from the settings on the desktop i am fine, just not sure how to do it on login screen on a fresh boot
[16:24] <Neonix7> thank you lotuspsychje
[16:24] <Neonix7> I'm trying to install ubuntu 16.04 on my notebook, unfortunately I'm getting problems with the live cd. How can I search for some help?
[16:24] <Neonix7> I'm a totally a newbie with linux
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: tell us more mate
[16:25] <Neonix7> lotuspsychje: thanks :-)
[16:26] <Neonix7> I've got this notebook from Asus, just bought. It has already installed endless OS
[16:26] <Neonix7> Of course I want to install Ubuntu, tried both the LTS versions (16 and 18) but had problems
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: what kind of problems did you ran into?
[16:27] <Neonix7> the 16 doesn't recognize the keyboard. I have an italian keyboard, but it keeps the english one.
[16:27] <Neonix7> Today I was able to add the italian one, but I cannot select it at all
[16:28] <Neonix7> and there are some other problems with the 18 too, unfortunately I'm not able to keep track at the moment
[16:28] <Neonix7> I think that something is wrong but I'm not sure where :-(
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: did you click italy as your country in the setup?
[16:28] <peter22222> hi folks... how do i find out which particular toolkit (GTK+ or Qt and which of its version) is a program using?
[16:28] <Neonix7> I just ran the live cd, I didn't enter in a seetup at all
[16:28] <tomreyn> addajones: the info i can find on this seems to suggest that gdm would inherit the "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor 2" value if this was set as user gdm (sudo -u gdm ...)
[16:29] <Neonix7> by the way I use the english version of the ubuntu
[16:29] <ioria> ll
[16:30] <genii> Interesting. Endless OS aparently uses a readonly filesystem and flatpak
[16:31] <tomreyn> breiz: just updating the kernel shouldn't really have caused this (as in root cause), but it may have affected this, since it would generate a new initrd for the new kernel, and use that.
[16:31] <Neonix7> it seems soo, of course I want to install ubuntu, endless seems limited to me
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: you cant select your keyboard, but you cant enter setup?
[16:31] <Neonix7> I selected the keyboard from the menu:
[16:32] <Neonix7> System settings / Keyboard / Text Entry
[16:32] <Neonix7> added to the list with the default (english keyboard)
[16:32] <tomreyn> breiz: so if you previously changed something affecting the root device, which now can't be found at boot, this would have caused it to break *now*
[16:32] <Neonix7> then pressed ok but from the menu to the right top of the screen I press "En" and try to select "It" but it doesn't do that
[16:33] <tomreyn> breiz: if your old kernel is still installed it probably still has the old initrd (and configuration) and should still be able to boot.
[16:33] <Neonix7> I tried with the 18 LTS but I got problems too... like the screen freezed or something, I don't remember exactly
[16:34] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | Neonix7
[16:34] <Neonix7> thanks ubottu
[16:34] <tomreyn> Neonix7: can you tell us more about your hardware? whihc model os this?
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: did you see this? https://aozoeky4dglp5sh0-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/install-screen.jpg
[16:35] <breiz> tomreyn: But I didn't change anything apart from that. It looks like the initrd generation went wrong. Is there anything to fix that? The old kernel gives me the same problem now. I can't get to the encrypted part where it should boot from.
[16:36] <Neonix7> lotuspsychje: no, I didn't see that screen
[16:36] <Neonix7> I'm just using the live cd at the moment
[16:36] <Neonix7> tomreyn: my hardware is Asus notebook, intel core i3 - intel HD Graphics 520
[16:36] <Neonix7> 4 gb ram
[16:37] <tomreyn> breiz: you have two options: (try to) fix it from within the initrd (add "break" to the kernel / initrd parameters in grub), or boot from a live system and chroot into the installation and fix it from there.
[16:38] <Neonix7> my notebook is ASUS vivobook Max P541UA
[16:39] <Neonix7> when I press on the icon of "Install Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS" doesn't do anything
[16:39] <tomreyn> Neonix7: okay, this doesn't sound like you should have trouble with either 16.04 LTS or 18.04 LTS, unless there are firmware issues.
[16:40] <breiz> tomreyn: I am in the live disk now. Let me try and chroot into it.
[16:40] <Neonix7> I pressed the icon with an orange colour that says Ubuntu software but it seems to load and then stops
[16:41] <Neonix7> like the icon of the installation, it does the same
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: maybe you could try a xubuntu or lubuntu
[16:41] <Neonix7> lotuspsychje
[16:41] <Neonix7> thanks, I will
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: normally 16.04 should be able to install with 4g ram but..
[16:43] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: what is the native operating system of that laptop?
[16:43] <Neonix7> lotuspsychje: endless OS
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: you bought it with endless os?
[16:44] <Neonix7> yes
[16:44] <Neonix7> I bought it with endless
[16:44] <tomreyn> Neonix7: can you try 18.04 LTS again, and both ensure the downloaded iso file is exactly the right size<PHONE_NUMBER> bytes) and you wrote the iso file to the installation media (USB stick?) sucessfully and fully (user the https://etcher.io software to write it - works on all major OS)
[16:44] <Neonix7> ok, I will again
[16:44] <Neonix7> last time I also verified the image on the usb
[16:45] <tomreyn> breiz: you will need to bind mount the common virtual file systems to the mount point before you chroot
[16:45] <Neonix7> from the ubuntu live install and it seemed ok but I will install it again
[16:45] <sybariten> i'm doing some experimentation with a mini-PC that will act as a server for a specific thing. Its called Fujitsu Esprimo q900 and the graphics card seems to be integrated on the motherboard. I can only reach 1024x768. In general, is there any point in trying to somehow get a higher 16:9 res ?
[16:45] <sybariten> or is it just gonna give me headache
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: maybe they made endless Os a bit like those chromebooks, and ubuntu might not like it
[16:46] <Neonix7> The fact is that I bought this computer with a preinstalled linux OS because I wanted to install ubuntu on it
[16:46] <Neonix7> I understand lotuspsychje, I really hope it's not the case... :-(
[16:46] <Neonix7> I bought this notebook just for ubuntu :-(
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Neonix7: try the test from tomreyn and also a xubuntu/lubuntu test
[16:48] <Neonix7> ok, thank you lotuspychje and tomreyn and the other guys
[16:48] <Neonix7> I will try your suggestions
[16:48] <Neonix7> I really hope it will work :-)
[16:48] <breiz> tomreyn: I think I did that, following a guide.
[16:49] <Neonix7> Now I'm going to try the installations you told me
[16:49] <Neonix7> bye guys, thanks to you all
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> good luck Neonix7
[16:49] <tomreyn> sybariten: it should be able to do a higher resolution. you may need to set more shared (graphics) memory on the bios
[16:50] <Neonix7> lotuspsychje: fingers crossed! :-)
[16:50] <Neonix7> bye :-)
[16:51] <breiz> tomreyn: So I mounted the volume, then mounted proc and bind dev and sys. Cp'ed resolv.conf and then chroot. Is that ok (if it is clear)?
[16:51] <tomreyn> sybariten: if there is little memory installed in generral, this could, however, prevent you from running a modern graphical desktop.
[16:51] <sybariten> tomreyn: i see. Any pointers to what to search for?
[16:53] <tomreyn> breiz: i usually bind mount them all, also /dev/pts /run and /sys as well as /sys/firmware/efi/efivars on uefi ssytems
[16:54] <breiz> tomreyn: okay I'll do that too.
[16:54] <tomreyn> breiz: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QzbyCrWgGq/
[16:56] <tomreyn> breiz: i'm not sure this is strictly necessary, it's just "works for me"
[16:57] <tomreyn> sybariten: well check the mainboard firmware configuration user interface ("BIOS") and see if you can set shared RAM there. also see how much RAM you actually have instaleld (should also say there)
[16:57] <qwebirc25314> the speakers on my laptop don't seem to work on my fresh ubuntu install
[16:57] <tomreyn> sybariten: you can use the "xrandr" command to list known supported resolutions
[16:58] <tomreyn> !audio | qwebirc25314
[16:58] <qwebirc25314> yeah after that ?
[16:58] <qwebirc25314> thanks
[16:58] <tomreyn> qwebirc25314: the "xrandr" hint wasn't for you
[16:59] <tomreyn> just the sound one
[16:59] <qwebirc25314> I just realized. Sorry
[16:59] <tomreyn> np ;)
[17:02] <breiz> tomreyn: I tried it but I think I messed it up. I might have to reboot just to get it chrooted properly.
[17:03] <tomreyn> breiz: sorry to hear this ;-)
[17:03] <tomreyn> it's cumbersome...
[17:05] <breiz> tomreyn: No problem. I'll reboot and try again! Thanks for the help btw!
[17:05] <tomreyn> sybariten: this is not the vendors' website, but what i could quickly find:  http://www.greenit-monaco.com/pdf/ds-esprimo-q900.pdf  page 4 lists supported resolutions.
[17:05] <tomreyn> breiz: you're welcome.
[17:05] <runelind_q> is there a terminal app that has a built-in password manager like iTerm2 for macOS?
[17:05] <leftyfb> runelind_q: passwords for what?
[17:06] <runelind_q> for SSHing to network devices that don't support keys.
[17:06] <leftyfb> runelind_q: if you're talking ssh, you should use an ssh key, not passwords.
[17:06] <leftyfb> bah
[17:06] <tonytheguitar> Does anyone know how to make a bootable USB device for Ubuntu server inside Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS?
[17:07] <runelind_q> dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/usb_drive bs=1m
[17:07] <runelind_q> can't remember if it is 1m or 1M in Linux
[17:07] <leftyfb> runelind_q: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/noninteractive-shell-script-ssh-password-provider/
[17:08] <tomreyn> runelind_q: have you tested that this works with the server iso?
[17:08] <runelind_q> leftyfb: Cisco devices also require enable passwords once you've SSHd to them.
[17:09] <runelind_q> tomreyn: this should work with any iso
[17:09] <leftyfb> runelind_q: so remember passwords. Or use an external password manager.
[17:09] <tomreyn> runelind_q: that's not my experience.
[17:10] <tomreyn> runelind_q: you could script it with expect, but enable passwords should probably be typed manually.
[17:10] <leftyfb> ^