 I have an SSD for OS, and two 1TB drives for a RAiD1 array. I could do all this on the command line later, but I want to understand the process from the installer.  Is there a trick to this?
[05:17] <fluvvell> And, I want to understand LVM, I realise the whys of it all, but is LVM applied before or after Raid configuration?
[05:22] <fluvvell> Do I allow the installer to setup guided partitioning on the SSD then interrupt it to setup the 1TB raid array manually?
[06:13] <Alysum> hello - I have a question regarding rsyslog
[06:13] <Alysum> does *.* - /var/log/syslog  mean log every file under /var/log to syslog?
[06:17] <andol> Alysum: *.* translates into all facilities and all severities
[06:17] <andol> Alysum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syslog#Facility_Levels
[06:19] <Alysum> thanks
[06:22] <Alysum> what's the best way to ignore some custom logs from being logged to syslof
[06:58] <xnox> fluvvell: usually: raid -> (crypt) -> lvm -> filesystem -> mountpoint
[07:15] <fluvvell> xnox, Thanks. I'll set up raid1 first.
[07:15] <fluvvell> I still think there are some deficiencies in the installer
[07:16] <xnox> fluvvell: in what sense?
[07:23] <fluvvell> xnox, in the sense that I ran the guided partitioner: Trying to set up a logical solution, a fast SSD OS drive, and stable RAID1 storage drive for samba. A common use for a linux server, but I ended up with a scattered bunch of partitions and no explanation of the logic behind the partition scheme.
[07:24] <fluvvell> So for clarification, my complaints are specifically around the partitioner, I found the rest of the installer fine.
[07:25] <xnox> fluvvell: yeah, I see your point....
[10:10] <Walther> Trying to update & upgrade via apt-dater, I get "dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
[11:51] <Walther> When using apt-dater to remotely update some software on a ubuntu server, i get "dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable". The apt-dater works fine with other servers.
[11:59] <Siebjee> Hi all, i'm running ubuntu 12.04 LTS, and my eth2 keeps disconnecting it self. ETH2 is a direct link to another server (identical hardware and software). Its a freshly installed server, up-to-date. Anyone can help me figure out what is going on ?
[12:00] <Siebjee> After a ethtool -r eth2, the link comes up again
[12:01] <gipzo> Hello. How can I start xserver (with xinit) on ubuntu server, without display? I have 4 TV's connected to server through hdmi-splitter. Sometimes displays are switching off and on again. If xinit was running while this switch-off - everything is ok.
[12:02] <gipzo> But when I try to start xinit without connected display (I added "1920x1080_60.00" mode to it, so it starts) i have black screen when i reconnect displays
[12:19] <amal> !cpanel
[12:19] <amal> oops
[12:22] <Mikk36-work> Hey
[12:22] <Mikk36-work> Trying to install vmware tools into the 12.04 lts server, but I'm having an issue with not having the /dev/cdrom available
[12:23] <Mikk36-work> What am I doing wrong?
[12:24] <Walther> When using apt-dater to remotely update some software on a ubuntu server, i get "dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable". The apt-dater works fine with other servers.
[12:27] <Mikk36-work> Nevermind, apparently autocomplete didn't work properly for that
[13:19] <Daviey> zul: I am going to sign us both up to Subject: [Openstack] Summit Runners
[13:19] <zul> Daviey: ok
[13:20] <zul> maybe i should read that email before saying ok
[13:20] <zul> Daviey:  uh no
[13:25] <rbasak> Could someone please review and sponsor bug 1163927 (puppet bugfixes from Debian) and bug 1164475 (feature regression since precise)?
[13:25] <rbasak> No patch pilots in today, and we're pretty close to release.
[13:26] <Daviey> zul: too late, request sent.
[13:27] <zul> Daviey:  im not down with that
[13:28] <Daviey> roaksoax: Uh, has verification failed - bug 1167660 ?
[13:29] <roaksoax> Daviey: nit that i know off
[13:30] <roaksoax> i have been runnin the package without issues
[13:31] <rbasak> lamont: hi! Any news on bug 1090593? seb128 didn't sponsor my debdiffs because you said you were going to backport the whole zone file instead, but there's been no activity.
[13:31] <Daviey> roaksoax: can you confirm with that bug?  It looks potentially bad.
[13:32] <lamont> rbasak: ah, let me follow up on that with folks.  ISTR that I did the backport, but we just haven't pushed the big red SRU button
[13:33] <lamont> but I'll need to refresh my brain
[13:33] <zul> hallyn:  whats the migration bug number again?
[13:33] <roaksoax> Daviey: thats what im looking at now. matsubara asked me to look at thus last night but the maas team got to it first it seems. but this doesnt make any sense cause otherwise i would have not been able to install maas myself
[13:33] <rbasak> lamont: thanks! IIRC, your original PPA backports had autotools noise unsuitable for SRU.
[13:33] <lamont> sounds about rightr
[13:35] <matsubara> roaksoax, do you test the cluster controller setup locally as well?
[13:36] <matsubara> because that failure only showed up in the CC integration tests
[13:36] <roaksoax> matsubara: yes!
[13:37] <roaksoax> matsubara: that packaging is in raring and raring doesnt have that issue
[13:37] <roaksoax> you can try install it and reconfigure
[13:37] <roaksoax> the issue i think is that you are sending a leading space
[13:37] <roaksoax> which is thw cause of the problem
[13:38] <roaksoax> but wit
[13:39] <roaksoax> matsubara: are you preeseding that value?
[13:39] <magesing> Hi everyone, How can I start x11vnc (or some other vnc server) so that I can see the login screen from a remote host?
[13:39] <roaksoax> matsubara: or how are you sending it
[13:40] <matsubara> roaksoax, yes, the preseed had a leading whitespace which I removed.
[13:40] <roaksoax> matsubara: ok
[13:40] <roaksoax> Daviey: ^^ leading whitespace was the cause of the issue
[13:40] <Daviey> right
[13:40] <matsubara> with the '' quotes, the package install correctly even with the leading whitespace
[13:41] <matsubara> I mean '$RET' quotes
[13:41] <hallyn> zul: bug 1157626
[13:41] <roaksoax> matsubara: and does it work well afterward? no issues if you rexonfigure and change the vvalue?
[13:42] <zul> hallyn:  thanks
[13:42] <hallyn> yup
[13:43] <roaksoax> Daviey: is that something you want fixed now? or shall that just be one maas accepted since this doesnt seem to be a blocker
[13:43] <roaksoax> s/one/onve
[13:43] <Daviey> roaksoax: TBH, i haven't grokked the issue
[13:43] <roaksoax> err
[13:44] <roaksoax> Daviey: ok is my opinion that it can wait until we release the sru since normal installations wont really be affected and
[13:45] <Daviey> roaksoax: So this is only an issue on preseeds?
[13:45] <roaksoax> Daviey: this is only when theres a leading whitespace in that variable
[13:45] <matsubara> roaksoax, I haven't tried. I'm firing up a vm to test
[13:46] <roaksoax> matsubara: ok ;)
[13:47] <roaksoax> matsubara: which imho wouldnt normally happen otherwise we would have seen it looong ago :)
[13:47] <roaksoax> Daviey: ^^
[13:50] <Daviey> matsubara: was that value preseedable in the prior release?
[13:51] <Daviey> it wans't was it?
[13:53] <matsubara> Daviey, I only tried the CC preseed on quantal and raring
[13:53] <matsubara> the precise.sru package have it as well, but the precise package does not
[14:00] <Daviey> matsubara / roaksoax: Right, so if i install from the precise cd (& preseed), i cannot suddenly break by upgrading to this release?
[14:04] <Daviey> mgz: Hey.  You may know this.. A while ago, i volunteered to NEW review juju-core if it was uploaded this week.  Is that still looking like it will make it?
[14:05] <matsubara> Daviey, by precise cd you mean not the sru package right?
[14:05] <mgz> that's the plan, though I'm on a plane tomorrow
[14:05] <Daviey> matsubara: correct
[14:05] <mgz> so, m_3 and I need to get the remaining bits done today
[14:06] <Daviey> mgz: Having /something/ is better than /nothing/.  There is still time to make fixes, but having a first pass would be most useful
[14:06] <Daviey> mgz: Please, Please consider using gccgo.
[14:06] <matsubara> ok, then you can't preseed maas-cluster-controller and even if you could, you would have to have a leading whitespace in your preseed to trigger the bug
[14:06] <Daviey> matsubara: sounds suitably ok for it not to be a blocker, thanks for the confirmation
[14:09] <Fieldy> hello, in what package can I find smbclient? I already have samba installed however smbclient is not. apt-cache search smbclient doesn't lead me to results that help me figure it out
[14:09] <Fieldy> yum search smbclient (i'm on way too many systems)
[14:09] <Fieldy> no wait apt-cache. i just woke up
[14:11] <matsubara> np
[14:11] <mgz> Daviey: I think at this point in the afternoon, that may not be tractable.
[14:11] <zul> Daviey/hallyn/jamespage (or those playing at home): just throwing a debdiff and a build log for the libvirt FFE
[14:11] <rbasak> Fieldy: it's in the smbclient package.
[14:13] <Daviey> mgz: I am not happy reviewing alone something that includes static linking.  So it will slow down the process.  I passed through the chain guidance on Go packaging, did it reach you?
[14:14] <mgz> alas no
[14:14] <mgz> can you forward?
[14:16] <Daviey> mgz: hmm, can't find it now.. but https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/01/msg00702.html .. was useful
[14:17]  * Daviey ponders, waiting for the netsplit to end
[14:18] <mgz> :)
[14:20] <RoyK> så har du mitt tilskudd i samtalen
[14:20] <RoyK> huh?
[14:20] <hallyn> zul: thx
[14:21] <Daviey> mgz: Do you want some help?
[14:23] <mgz> Daviey: yes, I think so, let me just finish off the python proposal and look at the go stuff again
[14:24] <smoser> utlemming, around ?
[14:24] <Daviey> mgz: From a release PoV, something really does need to be in this week IMO.
[14:24] <smoser> i wonder if you have ever tried using our cloud images under hyper-v
[14:24] <mgz> Daviey: yup.
[14:24] <smoser> and would know how to convert successfully a disk1.img (qcow2) to vhd.
[14:24] <utlemming> smoser: yes, yes, and yes
[14:25] <smoser> vbox convert ?
[14:25] <utlemming> smoser: kind of...
[14:26] <utlemming> smoser: qcow-img convert to raw. Then vbox convert to VHD. And finally vbox convert to fixed size.
[14:26] <utlemming> smoser: the last step is needed for azure
[14:26] <smoser> nice.
[14:26] <smoser> do you happen to have a script that goes directly ?
[14:27] <utlemming> smoser: the reason for qcow convert to raw first is that Hypver-V doesn't like the qcow VPC
[14:27] <utlemming> smoser: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/jenkins_kvm/view/head:/azure_config.sh
[14:30] <smoser> utlemming, thanks.
[15:29] <mgz> Daviey: I'm off IRC for the next half hour, but have uploaded python juju debdiff to ffe bug
[15:36] <smoser> utlemming, can you not go straight from raw to --variant= fixed ?
[15:37] <utlemming> smoser: not for Azure. It doesn't create the header right, so Azure basically say, "WTF" and you're upload fails. For Hyper-V I've seen it hit or miss.
[15:47] <benlangfeld> Hey, does anyone here know who maintains the vagrant base box http://files.vagrantup.com/lucid64.box ? I'm trying to find out who I have to beg to update the chef ruby version.
[15:48] <benlangfeld> sorry, precise64 *
[15:50] <smoser> utlemming, https://gist.github.com/smoser/5364534
[15:52] <utlemming> smoser: looks sane
[16:02] <hallyn> sarnold: is your email the gmail one?  (want to cc: you on a rfc patch for lxc locking)
[16:18] <Daviey> jamespage: packaging.get_package_origin(package) == 'Canonical' <-- where does that get fulfilled? Is that the Origin field in the UCA Release file?
[16:27] <sarnold> hallyn<EMAIL_ADDRESS>please -- gmail works, but is now out of my usual daily workflow :)
[16:41] <hallyn> sarnold: gotcha, thanks
[16:42] <sarnold> thanks hallyn :)
[17:11] <yousaf> hello
[17:11] <yousaf> I need to run this command ps -ef | grep oil | grep worker | awk '{print $2}' | xargs kill -9 every hour
[17:11] <yousaf> how can I set the cron job?
[17:13] <sarnold> yousaf: you can either place a shell script in /etc/cron.hourly/ or you can edit the crontab of the user of your choice with sudo -u username crontab -e   and add a crontab entry starting with 0 * * * * ps -ef | grep oild | grep ...
[17:14] <yousaf> which one is prefered?
[17:14] <Pici> also , pgrep or pkill might work better than your command
[17:14] <yousaf> i am root
[17:14] <yousaf> Pici ps -ef | grep oil | pgrep worker | awk '{print $2}' | xargs pkill -9
[17:14] <yousaf> like that?
[17:15] <sarnold> yousaf: the /etc/cron.hourly/ feels easier to set up to me, but I think the only guarantee there is that it happens hourly -- not at any specific minute of the hour.
[17:15] <sarnold> yousaf: so if you want to control at which minute within the hour the task runs, editing a crontab makes sense. if it is good enough to happen every hour, then the directory with script is easier..
[17:16] <yousaf> I don't need to be specific
[17:16] <Pici> yousaf: no, like pkill -9 worker   (use pgrep to test whether it matches what you think it should match)
[17:16] <yousaf> as long as it runs that commands once every hour i am good
[17:20] <Daviey> adam_g: Subject: [Openstack] Grizzly release packages available in the Ubuntu Cloud Archive <-- last post about having to change the setting, to get a working non ubuntu themed horizon.. is that true?
[17:22] <jamespage> Daviey, I suspect subdomains of canonical.com
[17:23] <Daviey> jamespage: I would like to know for sure.
[17:23] <jamespage> Daviey, I worked that fix through with pitti prior to uploading
[17:23] <jamespage> and have tested
[17:24] <Daviey> jamespage: Right. but i'd like to personally understand what changes could break it :)
[17:25] <Daviey> jamespage: I wondered if it was using the Origin here. http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/dists/precise-proposed/folsom/main/binary-amd64/Release
[17:25] <mgz> Daviey: fixed meh debdiff, sorry about that
[17:26] <jamespage> Daviey, yeah - thats where it comes from - just read the code
[17:26] <jamespage> it backs onto apt python bindings
[17:26] <jamespage> Daviey, "        origin    - The Origin, as set in the Release file"
[17:27] <Daviey> jamespage: Okay, that is good to know.  I put Canonical in that field as a stop gap, wuthout careful consideration.  We now know we canot change it
[17:27] <jamespage> Daviey, well we can change it - but we need to update the check :-)
[17:27] <Daviey> And more so.. re-mirroring or using the staging PPA will not allow that to work
[17:28] <jamespage> Daviey, I think its sufficient for the check
[17:28] <Daviey> jamespage: I think you have a good filter :)
[17:28] <jamespage> Canonical + ~cloud
[17:28] <jamespage> Daviey, its been accepted into precise-proposed as well
[17:29] <Daviey> it has?
[17:29] <jamespage> Daviey, albeit with a slightly different setup for the older version of apport
[17:29] <jamespage> Daviey, yep
[17:29] <jamespage> just got the email
[17:29] <Daviey> yeah i reviewed it earlier. I was waiting for confirmation on Origin before i accepted it
[17:29] <Daviey> I see someone else beat me
[17:30] <jamespage> Daviey, yep
[17:31] <adam_g> Daviey, that shouldn't be the case. i can try now, though
[17:31] <Daviey> adam_g: sounded wrong to me, but i wasn't confident stating such - without checking
[17:33] <adam_g> Daviey, nah, 'dpkg -P  openstack-dashboard-ubuntu-theme' and the vanilla dashboard is fine
[17:34] <adam_g> Daviey, well actually thats a PPA package, let me try /w what we have in the CA
[17:42] <adam_g> Daviey, yeah, working okay
[17:42] <jamespage> adam_g, it should make no difference - I've been twidding between ubuntu and stock themes no problem
[17:42] <adam_g> jamespage, im wondering if he's just using a pkg version where things weren't compressed okay. i know zul recompressed everything yesterday
[17:42] <jamespage> adam_g, Daviey: zul's regenerated assets for horizon are not in UCA for grizzly as well
[17:42] <jamespage> might be
[17:43] <Marko> hi all!
[17:43] <zul> i uploaded horizon ubuntu2 to staging and raring yesterday
[17:44] <adam_g> 1:2013.1-0ubuntu2~cloud0 is what i just tested
[17:44] <thekev> utlemming/ivoks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1150737 - know if there's a new 12.04 AMI that incorporates this?
[17:45] <utlemming> thekev: one should be going out shortly
[17:45] <utlemming> thekev: there is a build pending right now
[17:46] <utlemming> thekev: actually, http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/release-20130325/ should have that fix
[17:46] <thekev> I see 20130325 on cloud-images.ubuntu.com
[17:47] <thekev> (/locator/ec2). thanks
[17:52] <jamespage> Daviey, can you accept apport into raring?
[17:52] <jamespage> pls
[17:52] <Daviey> yes
[17:54] <irv> i'm getting the following: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5699212/
[17:55] <irv> when i try to run update
[18:11] <Crazy_> Hello! I need help. I've installed Ubuntu Server 12.10, set it up, installed openvpn. I can connect from the lan to the vpn and ping the server (<IP_ADDRESS>). I can also connect from outside the network, but i can't ping the server. The network is connected to Internet via a NAT router where I've opened vpn port to the server
[18:13] <Crazy_> Can anyone help me?
[18:13] <thekev> you are pinging the nat router
[18:14] <thekev> or is this after you establish vpn?
[18:15] <thekev> ok I think that's what you meant.  when you connect from the lan to the vpn, are you also in the same localnet as the server?
[18:16] <thekev> from outside to the vpn, what routes do you push?
[18:16] <thekev> netstat -rn on the vpn client
[18:17] <mgz> Daviey: I've sent an email about the go juju packaging, hopefully it's a correct summary of what's left to do
[18:21] <thekev> crazy_: I'm afk. sorry, can't wait around
[18:21] <Crazy_> thekev
[18:21] <Crazy_> sorry, i didnt't read you
[18:22] <Crazy_> i was searching in ubuntu forums
[18:23] <Crazy_> thekev: I've stablished the vpn connection. It's ok
[18:23] <Crazy_> I don't know what is a localnet, can you help me?
[18:24] <Crazy_> Hello! I need help. I've installed Ubuntu Server 12.10, set it up, installed openvpn. I can connect from the lan to the vpn and ping the server (<IP_ADDRESS>). I can also connect from outside the network, but i can't ping the server. The network is connected to Internet via a NAT router where I've opened vpn port to the server. Can anyone help me?
[18:34] <Crazy_> Hello! I need help. I've installed Ubuntu Server 12.10, set it up, installed openvpn. I can connect from the lan to the vpn and ping the server (<IP_ADDRESS>). I can also connect from outside the network, but i can't ping the server. The network is connected to Internet via a NAT router where I've opened vpn port to the server. Can anyone help me?
[18:35] <sarnold> Crazy_: no need to ask every ten minutes.. :)
[18:37] <Crazy_> sarnold: OK. I'm newbie to this forum and to openvpn, so not knowing if anyone could help me. I'll stay quiet and waiting for help. I'm sorry
[18:37] <sarnold> Crazy_: ah, then welcome to irc :) and good luck :)
[18:37] <Crazy_> sarnold: thank you!
[18:59] <ppetraki> hallyn, ping, you think one could setup a maas server from within an LXC instance without any networking issues?
[18:59] <hallyn> ppetraki: if you bridge the container nic with the host's nic, I would think so
[18:59] <aandy> hi, i'm running a (very) minimalistic install, which doesn't even support loop. e.g. it says "try using modprobe loop". any idea what i'm suppose to "get", or if i would get it from a apt-get upgrade?
[19:01] <Pippocaruso> hi guys... One question. What's the best way to send your public rsa key???
[19:04] <lwizardl> okay so I was on the phone for the last hour with comcast trying to get them to unblock port 25 and all the would do it offer remote admin to change the settings in outlook. So I am going to change services soon but would smarthost work with comcast for email servers ?
[19:18] <Daviey> mgz: looks good to me
[19:18] <Daviey> mgz: I do think it's massively unfortunate it seems gccgo is shelved
[19:19] <mgz> yeah
[19:22] <mgz> Daviey: if you have any suggestions on how we can do the packaging branch, given it requires multiple source branches, without being revolting, that would be really helpful
[19:23] <Daviey> mgz: Does my hello world, branch help?
[19:31] <mgz> Daviey: I don't see that referenced anywhere, can you give me a pointer?
[19:32] <Daviey> mgz: Sorry, it was OT
[19:33] <ppetraki> hallyn, thanks
[19:33] <hallyn> ppetraki: np - lemme know if you hit issues
[19:42] <Daviey> mgz: Where is the latest juju-core packaging source?
[19:44] <mgz> what we have is what's used for the ppa, at lp:~dave-cheney/juju-core/package
[19:44] <mgz> plus m_3's changes for the coinstallability in a seperate branch
[19:46] <Daviey> ta
[19:47] <mgz> Daviey: you really need to see https://code.launchpad.net/~dave-cheney/+recipe/juju-core for the current state to make sense
[19:50] <syncsys_> Can a linux server make a domain with windows clients and use similar like active directory to install sofwares on ALL windows clients?
[19:50] <Daviey> mgz: A, much better
[19:52] <Crazy_> Hello! I need help. I've installed Ubuntu Server 12.10, set it up, installed openvpn. I can connect from the lan to the vpn and ping the server (<IP_ADDRESS>). I can also connect from outside the network, but i can't ping the server. The network is connected to Internet via a NAT router where I've opened vpn port to the server. Can anyone help me?
[20:22] <kermit> why would a card not show up in lspci, even though it shows at boot?
[20:32] <Quest> Can a linux server make a domain with windows clients and use similar like active directory to install sofwares on ALL windows clients?
[20:33] <tgm4883> Quest, I already told you what you can use to do that
[20:38] <Quest> k
[20:40] <Quest>  what hardware that supports tokkens/cards/passwords/ and thumbprint  has integration with linux? and a readymade software for linux is a plus . Need it to log the timings of employees, salaries and hr integrations is a plus
[20:45] <sarnold> Quest: check this out: https://github.com/Yubico/yubico-pam
[20:45] <sarnold> Quest: it's a neat way to integrate two-factor auth using e.g. http://www.yubico.com/ or the Google android authentication program
[20:49] <Quest> thx
[20:51] <henkjan> Quest: also have a look at duosecurity.com for two factor auth with push notifications to smartphones
[20:53] <Quest> hm
[20:53] <Quest> thx
[21:14] <thasmo> Hi folks! Is it possible to update chef (client/solo) to 10.14+ on a Ubuntu server with apt-get (preferably raring)?
[22:21] <tok0loshi> Afternoon folks, has anyone got ubuntu/debian preseed to bypass no default route detected ?
[22:22] <tok0loshi> I have tried d-i netcfg/no_default_route true
[22:23] <tok0loshi> but no luck


[11:46] <Guest6993> im having problems getting void 11 to work
[15:06] <ggg4444> can someone help me with my void 11 problem?


[00:27] <mrooney> so let's say I tried to log out for the first time, and it displayed some text and then brought me to a black screen, which didn't respond to ctrl alt delete or ctrl backspace. what logs should I check and what should I report?
[00:30] <sectech> When you logout are you trying to go back to the gdm login screen?
[00:30] <sectech> or just a console
[00:31] <mrooney> sectech: the gdm login, I just pressed the power button and then clicked logout
[00:32] <sectech> hmm..
[00:34] <sectech> try checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:34] <sectech> What kind of video card do you have/
[00:34] <sectech> ?
[00:44] <mrooney> sectech: sorry for my delay, an ati 350
[00:46] <sectech> mrooney,  On a fresh boot does your login screen come up okay?
[00:47] <mrooney> sectech: yeah, indeed, just fine
[00:49] <sectech> I'm sorry but I don't have a lot of time this evening,  but you might want to check to see if gdm is crashing... maybe try and run a backtrace on that to see if it comes up with anything... That's where I would start if I was having that problem
[00:50] <mrooney> okay thanks
[02:36] <greg-g> bdmurray: would it be wise to add links to BugSquad/KnowledgeBase under the Bug Tools section to the greasemonkey scripts (the karma, add tag, and responses which are in bzr and the latest one you posted to the list)?
[02:59] <mrooney> there are greasemonkey scripts for launchpad?
[02:59] <mrooney> for ubuntu?
[02:59] <greg-g> yep, brian just emailed out one he made to the bugsquad mailing list
[07:03] <savvas> hi, I can't explain this problem properly, i have compiz enabled, and sometimes when i click the upper right button to maximize a window, it doesn't resize the window properly and the window stays the same
[07:04] <savvas> is this problem known? here's a screenshot: http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=noresizemaximizedwindowgh5.png
[08:49] <kijoko> helo
[08:49] <kijoko> i need some help
[08:55] <MightyTweek> kijoko: what kind of help?
[08:55] <kijoko> hardy installed on may laptop
[08:56] <MightyTweek> You probably want to go to #ubuntu
[08:56] <kijoko> but i can't resume ( wake ) from suspend/hibernate
[08:56] <kijoko> no respon from #ubuntu
[08:58] <MightyTweek> this really isn't the right channel, you want to be in #ubuntu, but try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3066404
[09:31] <savvas> do you think bug #227644 related to compiz or metacity?
[09:31] <savvas> *is related
[09:40] <Hewus> savvas: can you reproduce the issue with metacity?
[09:42] <savvas> hm..
[09:42] <savvas> it doesn't happen always i'm afraid
[09:42] <savvas> let me disable it and try again
[09:44] <savvas> Hewus: i don't think so, in compiz after the 5th or 6th retry I got it happening
[09:45] <savvas> 'ere we go.. most probably compiz related
[09:46] <Hewus> savvas: if it only occurs with compiz, then mark it as compiz :-)
[09:47] <savvas> well that was easy, thanks :P
[09:48] <Hewus> savvas: no worries :-)
[09:52] <lesshaste> hi
[09:52] <techno_freak> hi
[09:54] <lesshaste> I can't seem to work out how to read bug reports .. e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/165093 has two "Affects" lines marked as Invalid
[09:54] <lesshaste> what does this mean?
[09:54] <techno_freak> lesshaste, it might have affected two different packages
[09:55] <techno_freak> lesshaste, for example firefox is different from firefox-3.0
[09:56] <techno_freak> lesshaste, it looks like you can remove the 'Ubuntu' and 'linux-restricted..'
[09:59] <techno_freak> lesshaste, err.. i meant the two is not related to the bug and hence marked invalid
[10:00] <lesshaste> techno_freak: ok that's odd
[10:01] <techno_freak> lesshaste, the orig. reporter might have added all the 3 because he wasn't sure, 'Ubuntu' is the default option
[10:02] <lesshaste> techno_freak: ok.. I assume it's a driver problem so restricted-drivers looks correct
[10:04] <lesshaste> but what do I know :)
[10:04] <techno_freak> lesshaste, if you want to make it restricted-drivers bug then you have to reason out, afaics people have dealt with it as a Xorg bug
[10:05] <lesshaste> techno_freak: ok.. I'll leave it to the experts.. .it is a bit sad to have an X crash bug at this point. I am not sure I have had one in the 15 years I have been using linux for :)
[10:05] <techno_freak> lesshaste, :)
[10:05] <lesshaste> techno_freak: by the way.. what is this channel for? :)
[10:06] <techno_freak> lesshaste, for the bug squad, to deal with bug triage. its more like a discussion channel for triagers
[10:06] <lesshaste> the triagers allocate bugs to people/teams?
[10:07] <norsetto> lesshaste: no
[10:07] <lesshaste> my bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/224561 was supposedley allocated to the kernel team but I see no evidence of it on the bug (I tried to do it myself but didn't have permission)
[10:07] <lesshaste> norsetto: oh.. what do triagers do?
[10:07] <techno_freak> lesshaste, we help making the bug as informative as possible for the people to work on fixing it
[10:08] <lesshaste> techno_freak: cool
[10:08] <lesshaste> sounds like a really worthwhile job
[10:08] <techno_freak> :)
[10:09] <techno_freak> s/bug/bug report/
[10:09] <lesshaste> techno_freak: well is there any more info needed for my bug above for example? :)
[10:10] <techno_freak> lesshaste, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[10:11] <lesshaste> techno_freak: so has 224561 actually been assigned to kernel? I seem to have problems reading the bug report metainformation
[10:13] <techno_freak> lesshaste, it is assigned to linux source package and handled by the ubuntu kernel team
[10:13] <lesshaste> ok.. sorry I will get used to how this works
[10:13] <lesshaste> I promise :)
[10:13] <lesshaste> Hardy is seriously buggy :)
[10:14] <techno_freak> eh
[10:15] <techno_freak> if there are no bugs, then there are really serious problems
[10:18] <lesshaste> techno_freak: :) there is quite a large margin between no bugs and too many bugs
[10:18] <lesshaste> I am sure it will all clear up slightly in the next month or so
[10:18] <techno_freak> lesshaste, i hardly encountered any bugs with hardy
[10:19] <lesshaste> techno_freak: ok.. on my system which is about 5 years old networking broke, X wouldn't start at all and the dvd drives spews errors on dmesg
[10:19] <lesshaste> :)
[10:19] <lesshaste> this was a simple upgrade from gutsy where everything worked perfectly
[10:20] <lesshaste> I could have waited a few months after hardy was released of course so I only have myself to blame :)
[10:25]  * ogra wonders why you have hda there at all
[10:26] <ogra> we dont have any ide naming in the distro by default anymore, update manager should have taken care for the transition to sdX
[10:27] <savvas> udev package?
[10:27] <savvas> lesshaste: apt-cache policy udev | grep Installed
[10:28] <ogra> lesshaste, do you have added anything to /etc/modules to forcefully load ide drivers ?
[10:29] <ogra> (or something else along these lines)
[10:29] <jeromeg> could an archive admin take care of bug #227225 ?
[10:29] <jeromeg> a package is not installable at the moment because of a partial backport
[10:33] <lesshaste> savvas: ?
[10:33] <lesshaste> ogra: was that for me?
[10:33] <ogra> lesshaste, thats why i prefixed it with your nick, yes :)
[10:34] <lesshaste> ogra: what was it in reply to ? :)
[10:34] <ogra> lesshaste, in reply to reading your bug report
[10:34] <lesshaste> ogra: the DVD drive problem?
[10:34] <lesshaste> ogra: I have more than one :)
[10:34] <ogra> i see ide in your dmseg, that shouldnt be there
[10:34] <ogra> libata is used in hardy that remaps drives to scsi devices
[10:35] <lesshaste> ogra: aha.. http://pastebin.com/f740c0c48 is  /etc//modules
[10:35] <ogra> thats why i asked if you have added any ide drivers to something like /etc/modules
[10:39] <lesshaste> sorry ogra .. hard freeze so had to reboot :)
[10:40] <lesshaste> did you see anything in my /etc/modules file?
[10:42] <ogra> only the lm sensors stuff
[10:42] <ogra> a default one looks the same otherwise
[10:42] <lesshaste> right
[10:43] <ogra> but the hda and ide in your dmesg defiately looks wrong
[10:43] <ogra> err, wait
[10:44] <lesshaste> ogra: I have the full dmesg from the 2.6.22 boot if that helps
[10:44] <lesshaste> where there are no errors
[10:44] <ogra> could be that i2c-piix4 pulls in the wrong stuff
[10:44] <lesshaste> (except for fglrx but that is a different story)
[10:45] <thekorn> hello bugsquad!
[10:45] <ogra> can you comment the lm-sensors part in there, run: sudo update-initramfs -u and try a reboot ?
[10:45] <ogra> (especialy i2c-piix4)
[10:46] <lesshaste> rebooting
[10:48] <savvas> need someone to test the following: 1) open a terminal and run this: /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd -r 2) open another terminal and do this: nautilus ftp://viper.sh3lls.net 3) if you get an error without a login prompt, post to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525283 with the output from gvfsd and the error
[10:48] <lesshaste> ogra: still get loads of [  103.668329] hda: status error: error=0x00 { }
[10:48] <lesshaste> [  103.668330] ide: failed opcode was: unknown
[10:49] <lesshaste> do you want to see dmesg?
[10:49] <ogra> did you cemmoent everything below line 11 in http://pastebin.com/f740c0c48 ?
[10:50] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/fcec1a27
[10:50] <ogra> hmm
[10:50] <ogra> hats not it then
[10:50] <ogra> *thats
[10:50] <lesshaste> http://pastebin.com/f24d63784  <-- dmesg
[10:50] <ogra> in any case you need to get rid of hda
[10:51] <lesshaste> hwo do I do that? :)
[10:52] <ogra> ask in #ubuntu-kernel i think
[10:52] <lesshaste> to be clear.. what should the dvd drive be if not hda?
[10:52] <ogra> if the drive was recognized by libata and then a ide module is loaded you may have driver clashes that result in such error
[10:52] <ogra> scdX or so
[10:53] <ogra> we have no hdX naming anymore in hardy
[10:53] <lesshaste> aha
[10:53] <lesshaste> I see
[10:53] <ogra> and the device name indicates ts using a wrong driver here
[10:53] <ogra> i migh be wrong but i think thats one of your probs, the kernel guys can confirm or decline
[10:55] <lesshaste> ok I asked in #ubuntu-kernel
[10:55] <lesshaste> although it doesn't look like anyone is in
[10:55] <lesshaste> thanks
[10:55] <lesshaste> although the X crashes are much more annoying :)
[10:56] <savvas> lesshaste can i see your udev version? apt-cache policy udev | grep Installed
[10:56] <lesshaste>  Installed: 117-8
[10:57] <savvas> hm
[10:58] <savvas> dir /dev/h*
[10:58] <savvas> lesshaste: dir /dev/h*
[10:58] <lesshaste> /dev/hda  /dev/hidraw0	/dev/hpet
[11:00] <savvas> might a rules.d problem?
[11:01] <ogra> probably
[11:01] <ogra> lets see what -kernel replies, many of them are in the US
[11:01] <ogra> so will get up later
[11:02] <lesshaste> ogra: did you say nothing should be called /dev/hdX in hardy?
[11:03] <lesshaste> there are plenty of hdX lines in rules.d
[11:04] <savvas> well we can fix it by recreating the files
[11:04] <savvas> but the bug will be broken i guess
[11:05] <savvas> lesshaste: zip -r $HOME/Desktop/etc_udev_rules.d.zip /etc/udev/rules.d/
[11:07] <lesshaste> ok
[11:07] <ogra> lesshaste, btw, which kernel version are you running ? -16 or -17 ?
[11:08] <lesshaste> 2.6.24-16
[11:08] <lesshaste> I didn't know -17 was out
[11:09] <savvas> lesshaste: after that: sudo rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/*; sudo aptitude reinstall udev
[11:09] <ogra> its in hardy-proposed ... waiting for promotion to hardy-updates
[11:09] <lesshaste> oh ok
[11:10] <savvas> lesshaste: give it a reboot to use the new rules afterwards, let's see if that helps out
[11:11] <lesshaste> savvas: how do I create new rules? Doesn't zip -r $HOME/Desktop/etc_udev_rules.d.zip /etc/udev/rules.d/ just zip up the old ones?
[11:11] <savvas> 12:09:12 < savvas> lesshaste: after that: sudo rm -rf /etc/udev/rules.d/*; sudo aptitude reinstall udev
[11:11] <savvas> reinstalling udev should recreate them
[11:11] <lesshaste> oh I never saw that?!
[11:12] <savvas> !
[11:12] <lesshaste> rebooting
[11:12] <savvas> ok :)
[11:13] <savvas> weird, ogra did you that command i gave previously?
[11:13] <savvas> did you see* :)
[11:20] <savvas> hm.. i wonder what happened to him
[11:21] <savvas> it took him 2 minutes before to reboot :\
[12:17] <lesshaste> hi :)
[12:17] <lesshaste> that was an absolute catastrophe
[12:17] <lesshaste> savvas, are you still about?
[12:19] <lesshaste> or ogra ?
[12:22] <savvas> lesshaste: a bit busy but yeah
[12:22] <savvas> it didn't work? :\
[12:22] <lesshaste> savvas, much much worse than that
[12:22] <lesshaste> savvas, the system wouldn't boot at all with the new rules.d
[12:22] <savvas> good we kept a back up then
[12:23] <lesshaste> savvas, well not really as I couldn't boot into linux at all
[12:23] <savvas> it's working again with the old rules?
[12:23] <savvas> ouch
[12:23] <savvas> not even with the live cd or the recovery option in grub?
[12:23] <lesshaste> savvas, I eventually booted into windows,mounted the linux partition and overwrote the old rules
[12:23] <lesshaste> not 2.6.22 will boot but 2.6.24 will not
[12:24] <savvas> hm.. better wait for -kernel as ogra proposed then
[12:24] <lesshaste> and I have no networking in 2.6.22 so I have had to find another computer to chat to you :)
[12:24] <savvas> i don't want to break anything else :)
[12:24] <lesshaste> well.. I would really like to boot 2.6.24 to get to where i was
[12:24] <savvas> it's really weird though, i used that here and it worked
[12:24] <lesshaste> it says it can't find the root file system
[12:24] <lesshaste> basically at the moment the computer is broken
[12:24] <lesshaste> either no networking or no booting
[12:25] <lesshaste> now 2.6.22 will boot I meant
[12:25] <lesshaste> if you could help me get back to square one that would be great
[12:26] <lesshaste> savvas, I looked and after doing the aptitude command I ended up with only two rules!
[12:26] <lesshaste> persistent-cd and persistent-net
[12:27] <savvas> hm..
[12:27] <lesshaste> I need to work on this computer today so it's a problem :(
[12:27] <savvas> well i made the booboo, i guess i have to fix it
[12:27] <lesshaste> thanks
[12:28] <savvas> boot up from a live cd and connect to the internet
[12:28] <lesshaste> I have a live usb key
[12:28] <savvas> that would work i guess
[12:28] <lesshaste> can you remind me how to boot form usb?
[12:28] <lesshaste> from
[12:28] <savvas> it depends on your bios i'm afraid
[12:29] <savvas> you stick your usb in and press the Del key several times while booting up
[12:29] <savvas> you have to change the boot sequence
[12:30] <savvas> here you're on your own, i don't know every bios :)
[12:30] <savvas> you choose the usb as the first option, then save your changes and exit
[12:31] <savvas> lesshaste: still there?
[12:31] <lesshaste> yes but I am not sure I  can do your first step
[12:31] <lesshaste> just trying 2.6.24 again
[12:32] <lesshaste> it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system"
[12:32] <lesshaste> before that
[12:32] <lesshaste> "Begin: Running /scripts/local-top"
[12:32] <lesshaste> and before that
[12:32] <lesshaste> "Begin: Mounting root files system...."
[12:33] <lesshaste> so it must just be looking in the wrong place I assume?
[12:34] <lesshaste> I can't see how to boot off the usb device sadly.. I tried "removable" as the first boot device with no luck
[12:35] <lesshaste> I can of course copy whatever is needed over on the usb device if that helps
[12:37] <savvas> lesshaste: don't you have an old ubuntu cd somewhere?
[12:37] <savvas> it doesn't have to be the newest release to do what we have to do
[12:37] <lesshaste> wireless won't work with an old version
[12:38] <lesshaste> but I am looking
[12:38] <savvas> lesshaste: you 're on a second pc there right?
[12:38] <lesshaste> yes
[12:38] <savvas> cool, you could pass on the commands without network then
[12:38] <lesshaste> ok
[12:39] <savvas> basicall, what we will do is to mount your root partition and unzip the old rules back to their place
[12:39] <lesshaste> I did that
[12:39] <lesshaste> that's how I have booted into 2.6.22
[12:39] <savvas> but through windows you don't keep permissions
[12:40] <lesshaste> ok.. but I am in 2.6.22 now.. so I can do the command
[12:40] <savvas> i guess that broke off while you unzipped it
[12:40] <lesshaste> what would you like me to do?
[12:40] <lesshaste> broken pc 1 is in 2.6.22
[12:40] <savvas> load the live cd environment normally
[12:40] <lesshaste> I don't have a live cd
[12:40] <lesshaste> why do I need one?
[12:40] <savvas> oh.. you don't :)
[12:40] <lesshaste> ok
[12:41] <lesshaste> so.. I am all yours :)
[12:41] <savvas> let me see, you booted to an older kernel right?
[12:41] <lesshaste> yes
[12:41] <lesshaste> I also don't understand why permissions will break 2.6.24 but not 2.6.22
[12:41] <savvas> wanna try reinstall the kernel images first?
[12:42] <lesshaste> really?
[12:42] <lesshaste> why would that help?
[12:42] <savvas> it could set up the boot process to recognise the right device
[12:42] <lesshaste> ok
[12:42] <lesshaste> so what do I need to download?
[12:43] <savvas> sudo aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
[12:43] <lesshaste> grr :)
[12:43] <lesshaste> you know I don't have a network connection on the broken pc
[12:44] <lesshaste> so I need to download it on the other one
[12:44] <savvas> i know :\
[12:44] <lesshaste> and move it across on the usb stick
[12:44] <savvas> argh no then
[12:44] <savvas> get a working version first hen
[12:44] <savvas> *then
[12:44] <savvas> wait
[12:45] <savvas> er.. maybe you already have it downloaded
[12:45] <savvas> lesshaste: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image*
[12:46] <lesshaste> I have
[12:46] <savvas>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb ?
[12:46] <lesshaste> linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16/30_i386.deb
[12:46] <lesshaste> and
[12:47] <lesshaste> linux-image-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>.18_i386.deb
[12:47] <lesshaste> (excuse typos)
[12:47] <savvas> no probs
[12:47] <savvas> we could could try reinstall that
[12:47] <lesshaste> linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb
[12:47] <lesshaste> ok
[12:47] <lesshaste> how do I do that?
[12:48] <savvas> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.deb
[12:50] <lesshaste> and you think that might fix something?
[12:50] <lesshaste> what else would the aptitude command you gave me have changed to break the system?
[12:51] <savvas> that, or this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-16-generic
[12:51] <savvas> i must warn you i've never tried the latter one
[12:51] <lesshaste> :)
[12:51] <lesshaste> which one?!
[12:51] <savvas> while you installed with dpkg
[12:51] <savvas> did it say anything about reconfiguring grub?
[12:52] <lesshaste> yes
[12:52] <savvas> and no problems there?
[12:53] <savvas> do: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -i hd
[12:53] <lesshaste> ok so now 2.6.24 boots :)
[12:54] <savvas> cool
[12:54] <lesshaste> but networking is still broken
[12:54] <lesshaste> going to try to fix that now
[12:54] <savvas> you have a live environment too?
[12:54] <savvas> sorry, gnome*
[12:55] <savvas> lesshaste: this is still with the old rules right?
[12:56] <lesshaste> yes
[12:56] <lesshaste> the networking was killed by reinstalling the kernel probablu
[12:56] <lesshaste> just checking
[12:57] <savvas> you could try recompile the kernel-modules as well :)
[12:57] <savvas> i mean reinstall
[12:57] <savvas> man, it's my typo day today
[12:58] <lesshaste> where do I find them?
[12:59] <savvas>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.23_i386.deb
[12:59] <savvas>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24-16-generic_<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34_i386.deb
[12:59] <savvas>  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-common_<IP_ADDRESS>-16.34_all.deb
[12:59] <savvas> you use sudo dpkg -i for each one
[13:01] <savvas> and give it a reboot again
[13:02] <savvas> btw, I can't tell you how sorry I am for breaking it up :(
[13:03] <lesshaste> there are three restricted modules packages
[13:03] <savvas> linux-restricted-modules-generic* ?
[13:03] <lesshaste> modules-common, modules and modules-generic
[13:03] <savvas> ignore that one, it's just a meta-package
[13:03] <savvas> a "shortcut" :)
[13:04] <lesshaste> thanks for the apologising
[13:04] <lesshaste> I should have known better than to follow instructions like that blindly
[13:05] <savvas> the good news is you found your way through.. and i have to stop suggesting stuff that could be dangerous
[13:05] <lesshaste> well.. when I have networking back I will be pleased :)
[13:06] <savvas> i hope we can fix that as well :)
[13:06] <lesshaste> it's quite odd that it's not working
[13:06] <savvas> still not working after a reboot?
[13:06] <lesshaste> the instructions I following originally are https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902/comments/177
[13:08] <savvas> you can reinstall the headers too if you think that's appropriate
[13:10] <savvas> should be these two: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.24-16-generic_2.6.24-16.30_i386.iso  /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-2.6.24-16_2.6.24-16.30_all.deb
[13:15] <lesshaste> ok
[13:15] <lesshaste> the problem seems to be starting wireless.. wlan0 is there
[13:15] <lesshaste> but without an ip address
[13:16] <Iulian> Hey pedro_!
[13:16] <pedro_> hi Iulian
[13:16] <lesshaste> hmm.. what is wlan0:avahi??
[13:17] <savvas> lesshaste: avahi is the avahi-daemon
[13:17] <savvas> but i'm no expert at that
[13:17] <lesshaste> what is that for?
[13:18] <savvas>  This package contains the Avahi Daemon which represents your machine
[13:18] <savvas>  on the network and allows other applications to publish and resolve
[13:18] <savvas>  mDNS/DNS-SD records.
[13:19] <lesshaste> hmm :)
[13:19] <lesshaste> I just want my networking back!
[13:19] <lesshaste> waah!
[13:21] <lesshaste> savvas, any idea why this rules.d thing might have killed my networking?
[13:21] <savvas> lesshaste: wanna try unzip the rules again?
[13:22] <lesshaste> why would that help?
[13:22] <savvas> ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/
[13:22] <savvas> the files have -rw-r--r-- 1 root   root ?
[13:22] <lesshaste> yep
[13:24] <lesshaste> I'm going to have to give up and go work somewhere else
[13:24] <savvas> hold a sec
[13:24] <savvas> try reinstall udev once more: sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_117-8_i386.deb
[13:25] <savvas> it won't touch the old rules, but might reconfigure the system to use them again (?)
[13:25] <savvas> (i'm speculating)
[13:26] <savvas> then reboot
[13:29] <lesshaste> wlan0 is up
[13:29] <lesshaste> it just doesn't have an ip adress
[13:29] <lesshaste> there must be some simple solution but I can't find it
[13:29] <lesshaste> and I have go get on with work
[13:32] <lesshaste> bye
[13:33] <savvas> he left?
[13:33] <savvas> darn
[15:12] <bddebian> Boo
[15:46] <Iulian> pedro_: Could you please translate bug 227549?
[15:47] <pedro_> Iulian: sure, give me a min
[15:52] <pedro_> Iulian: done
[15:53] <Iulian> pedro_: Thanks
[15:53] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:52] <pochu> asac: the replytolist Thunderbird extension doesn't seem to work for me. I'm on Hardy, do you have any idea why?
[17:54] <pochu> asac: this page says TB needs a patch and that the Ubuntu maintainer applied it... do you know if it's still there? http://alumnit.ca/wiki/index.php?page=ReplyToListThunderbirdExtension#toc4
[17:54] <pochu> hmm, looks like:
[17:54] <pochu>   * debian/patches/reply-to-list-support: port reply-to-list-support to 2.0
[17:54] <pochu>     branch
[17:56] <seb128> why are people not using evolution which is the default mailer in ubuntu?
[17:56] <ccooke> seb128: they prefer something else?
[17:57] <laga> let's just drop thunderbird if evolution is the default mailer. duh..
[17:57] <seb128> that doesn't reply to the question
[17:57] <seb128> very constructive guys
[17:57] <pochu> seb128: because I started using Thunderbird since I use Windows and haven't needed anything else yet ;)
[17:58] <ccooke> seb128: so what you're *actually* asking is "How could Evolution be improved to draw more users to the default"?
[17:58] <laga> seb128: i'm not using evolution because i don't want to.
[17:58] <pochu> well except a couple of extensions, and one of them doesn't work...
[17:58] <laga> also, i'm using kubuntu and nobody should be forced to use kmail ;)
[17:58] <seb128> ccooke: the question is "what makes user switch to something else", or rather "what should we aim at fixing there"
[17:59] <seb128> ccooke: because if most user switch that's clearly that the default software has issues
[17:59] <pochu> seb128: also Evolution is more than a mail client AFAIK, isn't it? It would be like comparing Outlook with Outlook Express...
[17:59] <seb128> ccooke: and I would like to know which one so we can work on solving those
[17:59] <seb128> pochu: well, nobody force you to use the calendar, tasks, etc
[17:59] <pochu> that's right
[18:00] <ccooke> seb128: I use Evolution - however, I can't use it at work.
[18:00] <pochu> I have never tried it TBH, I guess I'll look at it one day :)
[18:00] <persia> seb128: Speaking for myself, I found evolution significantly slower than claws for my needs.
[18:00] <ccooke> It doesn't work reliably with our Exchange server (I believe because of our use of Enterprise Vault, which is a third party tool)
[18:03] <seb128> ccooke: is there any linux software working correctly with your exchange server?
[18:03] <ccooke> Firefox? :-)
[18:04] <ccooke> I'm currently using OWA directly
[18:04] <seb128> persia: what is slower? network transferts? starting time? rendering?
[18:05] <persia> seb128: Startup and time from pressing "Reply" to having an editing window are the two things I noticed.
[18:05] <ccooke> seb128: Some information here: https://forums.symantec.com/syment/board/message?board.id=106&thread.id=9475
[18:06] <ccooke> seb128: (but I don't have the time to try tinkering at work)
[18:06] <seb128> I guess those are not the reasons most user run rather thunderbird
[18:06] <seb128> and not things easy to change
[18:06] <persia> seb128: Note that my case may be a little odd: I typically have a fair bit of memory pressure, and so am more likely to encounter issues with larger image size than many.
[18:06] <seb128> evolution takes 1 second to open a reply dialog on a 3 year old configuration, that's not perfect but I don't think that's a real issue
[18:08] <persia> claws is ~600 ms on a 4-year old worksation with over 1 MB/s network traffic, full cache, and reported 100% proc usage (mostly iowait).
[18:09] <persia> Mind you, it's not a real issue: depends on use case.  Typically it takes several minutes to type the message anyway.
[18:19] <ogra> we should really switch to balsa
[18:19]  * seb128 slaps ogra
[18:19]  * ogra hides
[18:20] <ogra> bah, to solw :)
[18:20] <ogra> *slow
[18:24] <seb128> pedro_: bug #227825 == bug #204434?
[18:42] <asac> pochu: we ship that patch iirc
[18:43] <asac> pochu: is the extension properly installed?
[18:49] <pochu> asac: woops, nevermind, works fine!
[18:49] <pochu> asac: my bad, I thought it was 'ctrl+l' instead of 'ctrl+i'
[18:58] <asac> pochu: thanks for confirming ;)
[19:06] <pedro_> seb128: it looks different to me, but looking at Michael comment could be
[20:05] <bdmurray> pedro_: still around?
[20:06] <pedro_> bdmurray: yeap
[20:06] <bdmurray> I'm guessing bug 208181 is a dup of something - do you know what?
[20:07] <bdmurray> They say you need to specify a share name
[20:09] <pedro_> bdmurray: yeah it's a dup, assign it to gvfs in the meantime
[20:10] <bdmurray> pedro_: okay, I'll see if I can find the one if it should be a dup of
[20:10] <pedro_> looks like bug 223372
[20:10] <bdmurray> ogasawara: Have you noticed that the l-r-m package redirects to linux-meta?
[20:11] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I haven't
[20:13] <bdmurray> Yeah, if you don't use the l-r-m-2.6.xyz it gets reassigned to linux-meta which I think is kind of strange
[20:13] <ogasawara> huh
[20:14] <bdmurray> Its interesting that there is a just 'linux' package but not a 'l-r-m' and 'l-u-m' package
[20:17] <secretlondon> yay debian have fixed the libsoundtouch bug, now to patch audacity!
[20:18] <thekorn> hello @all! - what should I do with a report like bug 226221? refering to the CoC and close it as 'Invalid'?
[20:19] <bdmurray> pedro_: maybe more like bug 209520
[20:20] <bdmurray> thekorn: I'll take care of it
[20:20] <thekorn> bdmurray, thanks a lot
[20:25] <thekorn> bdmurray, to be honest: I don't understand your last change to py-lp-bugs,
[20:25] <thekorn> the xpath change for comments
[20:25] <bdmurray> 'boardComment' became 'boardComment ' in the html version
[20:26] <bdmurray> using contains will match either one
[20:26] <thekorn> but unfortunatly now it is totaly broken :(
[20:26] <thekorn> because it now also matches div class="boardCommentDetails" for example
[20:28]  * thekorn hates string changes in lp
[20:28] <bdmurray> hmm, I'd tested it a bit
[20:29] <bdmurray> Do you know how we could make it match either 'boardComment' or 'boardComment    '?
[20:29] <bdmurray> I'd prefer not to have to keep changing it
[20:31] <thekorn> we could use something like    //body//div[@class="boardComment"] | //body//div[@class="boardComment   "]
[20:31]  * thekorn reads the xpath tutorial
[20:34] <thekorn> maybe they accidentally changed this string anyway
[20:35] <bdmurray> Right if it was an accident it might go back to "boardComment" or could become "boardComment  " someday
[20:36] <thekorn> but if they keep on adding whitespaces at the end of attributes, we maybe need an xpath hook function to remove them
[20:37] <thekorn> or change all xpath expressions
[20:37] <thekorn> I'm looking forward the day when launchpad gets a real database API
[20:48] <thekorn> bdmurray, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10791/ fixes parsing of comments for me,
[20:48] <thekorn> tested for some bugreports
[20:49] <bdmurray> cool, I'm looking at another idea at the moment
[20:50] <thekorn> btw, your greasemonkey script is really cool
[20:53] <bdmurray> thekorn: thanks, I've been learning lots of xpath
[20:54] <thekorn> this is even shorter: '//body//div[@class="boardComment" or @class="boardComment "]'
[20:54] <bdmurray> speaking of this seems to work - xmldoc.xpathEval("//body//div[normalize-space(@class)='boardComment']")
[20:54] <thekorn> YAY!!
[20:54] <bdmurray> The normalize-space function returns the argument string with whitespace normalized by stripping leading and trailing whitespace and replacing sequences of whitespace characters by a single space.
[20:55] <thekorn> I was always looking for such a function, but did not find any reference to it
[20:56]  * thekorn needs new glasses
[20:57] <bdmurray> I'll fix the boardComment parsing using that for Hardy and Intrepid
[20:57] <thekorn> super, thanks
[21:01] <james_w> hi secretlondon
[21:01] <secretlondon> hi james_w
[21:01] <james_w> secretlondon: I saw that soundtouch was fixed, are you ok to handle audacity?
[21:02] <secretlondon> james_w yeah, as it's just my patch that didn't work because of soundtouch
[21:02] <secretlondon> I'm just setting up this new machine with all the dev tools, and gonna make an intrepid pbuilder
[21:02] <james_w> secretlondon: cool, are you aiming for an update in hardy? Is that even needed?
[21:02] <secretlondon> james_w it would be nice, but other programs also depend on libsoundtouch
[21:03] <james_w> intrepid pbuilders were broken last I heard, does anyone know whether that is fixed now?
[21:03] <secretlondon> and it's a change in the pc file, which is _bound_ to break stuff
[21:03] <james_w> secretlondon: ah, of course, you needed a new upstream version as well didn't you?
[21:03] <secretlondon> james_ w yes, and a pc file with a different name
[21:03] <secretlondon> so I guess too risky, as we'd have to patch every other music program that depended on libsoundtouch
[21:05] <james_w> yep
[21:05] <james_w> feel free to ping me if you need anything
[21:06] <secretlondon> we'll have to do that for intrepid, but at least we'll have the same pc name as upstream, and all the non-debian based distros
[21:06] <secretlondon> james_w thanks, should I proactively patch the other apps that depend on it? I presume Debian will have the issue firts
[21:07] <james_w> making patches should be straightforward, and Debian would appreciate it as well, so I think it could be worthwhile.
[21:07] <secretlondon> ok
[21:08] <james_w> not everything may use the .pc
[21:08] <james_w> I can grab a list of the packages that may be affected if you like
[21:09] <secretlondon> james_w that would be useful thanks
[21:10] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[21:19] <james_w> secretlondon: http://pastebin.com/f3b18ab39
[21:19] <james_w> that's hardy, so there may be some things that sneak in to intrepid, I can't check yet though.
[21:20] <james_w> grep-dctrl -FBuild-Depends -sPackage,Build-Depends -e "soundtouch" < /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_*_source_Sources if you are interested
[21:21] <secretlondon> james_w thanks, I can't get an intrepid pbuilder E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/intrepid
[21:21] <secretlondon> so I can't test which is suboptimal
[21:22] <james_w> secretlondon: you need to enable hardy-backports and install the debootstrap from there.
[21:22] <secretlondon> ah! thanks
[21:22] <james_w> it may well fail then as well
[21:22] <james_w> you could test in a hardy pbuilder, at least for now, it would have a reasonable chance of giving the same results.
[21:22] <secretlondon> true
[21:23]  * secretlondon is scared that hardy security wasn't ticked by default
[21:23] <secretlondon> but updates was
[21:23] <bdmurray> thekorn: weren't there some other changes you wanted merged after hardy was out?
[21:23] <jdavies> secretlondon: security.u.c is down at the moment, however you may grab them from archive.u.c
[21:24] <secretlondon> jdavies, thanks, I was more concerned that this is a vanilla install
[21:24] <secretlondon> james_w except that a hardy pbuilder would have the old library
[21:25] <thekorn> bdmurray, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/python-launchpad-bugs/+bugs?field.tag=fix-available and there is also an intrepid milestone
[21:25] <james_w> secretlondon: there are tricks you can play to get around that. I can fill you in, or offer to test build your patches.
[21:26] <secretlondon> james_w I'm still setting this machine up, I'll play tonight and let you know
[21:26]  * secretlondon is intending to do more patching and dev work for this release :)
[21:27] <james_w> \o/
[21:27] <thekorn> bdmurray, but maybe I should go throught them, test them and add one by one to the .main branch
[21:28] <james_w> secretlondon: weren't you packaging some tuxpaint snapshots in your ppa?
[21:29] <secretlondon> james_w one thing, I have the new packaging for cinepaint in my ppa, done by sidux, not yet in debian. should I stick on revu?
[21:29] <bdmurray> or maybe we can find some time to work on it at UDS
[21:29] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[21:30] <secretlondon> james_w I have the new version of tuxpaint (0.9.19) in my ppa but talking to the dd to share packaging
[21:30] <james_w> secretlondon: yeah, if you want it in intrepid go for it.
[21:30] <james_w> secretlondon: cool, ogra was looking at the merge earlier I think. ogra, did you get the tupaint merge done?
[21:31] <secretlondon> james_w I'd love it in intrepid, but it's not my packaging it's etorix from sidux's. It's still been poor not to have in hardy
[21:31] <thekorn> bdmurray, sounds good!
[21:31] <secretlondon> james_w debian have the same version of tuxpaint that we have currently 0.9.17
[21:31] <secretlondon> I changed the depends/recommends (in consulation with the dd), so we have a later version I suppose
[21:32] <james_w> secretlondon: ah, I must have been mistaken then, sorry.
[21:32] <secretlondon> james_w it would need a merge from debian, but it'd be better to get 0.9.19
[21:32] <james_w> secretlondon: though there has been an upload in debian to -1.1, so a merge is still needed.
[21:32] <secretlondon> I presume we can have my packaging, and if ben from Debian makes a better package we can change
[21:32] <james_w> secretlondon: well, if you get in done in Debian that would be even better.
[21:33] <secretlondon> james_w i'd rather get Ben to make the package and us to sync
[21:34]  * secretlondon notes that these don't all have to be done this evening ;)
[21:35] <james_w> hehe
[21:40] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[21:42] <secretlondon> noelferreira, this is a poor place for support - sorry
[22:04] <bdmurray> calc: are you familiar with an openoffice bug where a username and password are required but there is no text entry field for the username when accessing files on an sftp share?
[22:04] <bdmurray> I haven't found one right away
[22:17] <calc> bdmurray: i think there is a sftp bug open already, but not sure if it is that specifically
[22:18] <bdmurray> calc: I saw bug 214275 but they seem to indicate the correct username is filled in while I have no idea what username is used
[22:22] <sectech> Has anyone come through here recently stating there hardy livecd won't boot right... I just bought a new sata drive and I can't get the damn cd to load and recognize the drive.... yet the gusty live cd will work fine
[22:23] <secretlondon> sectech there is/was a hardy bug in development with some cd rom drives
[22:24] <sectech> Hhmm... the install worked fine when I had the ata drive hooked up.... and gusty is installing as I type this...
[22:24] <sectech> I used the latest cd image too
[22:24] <sectech> and yes the md5sums checked out
[22:36] <calc> bdmurray: you scared my electricity away ;-)
[22:38] <bdmurray> that's a new one
[22:49] <sectech> k... It's the kernel version.... Whatever we were using in Alpha 1 reads the hard drive just fine...
[22:49] <sectech> I smell a bug....
[22:50] <sectech> I'll have to install hardy with alpha 1 and then do the updates.
[22:53] <bdmurray> Wouldn't the updates, specifically the new kernel version, break it then?
[22:53] <bdmurray> calc: I've updated bug 214275
[22:53] <bdmurray> Let me know if you need anything else
[22:54] <sectech> that will be the ultimate test won't it
[22:55] <sectech> I'm going to try the alternate cd just for giggles..
[22:55] <sectech> might as well play with the problem while I can
[22:56] <bdmurray> they use the same kernel version
[22:57] <sectech> yeh I know.... like I said, just for giggles....   plus the release cd's wouldn't have the latest kernel version anyway... we had an upgrade after hardy was released.
[22:59] <sectech> I kinda wanted the 64 bit installed, but whatever
[23:03] <sectech> Is there a mirror where we could still get the alpha and beta versions?
[23:03] <bdmurray> not that I know of
[23:04] <sectech> crap
[23:05] <sectech> k... well I am gonna run with the alpha 1 since it's working
[23:05] <sectech> brb
[23:07] <calc> bdmurray: thanks
[23:08] <calc> bdmurray: i'd have to try it again i think it might have broken later
[23:14] <noelferreira> my keys get stuck sometimes and other times don't work. can anyone help me with this huge bug: http://pastebin.com/m7bc88052
[23:41] <secretlondon> james_w I've made my debdiff, but I note that the new lib ftbfs due to lack of intltool
[23:41] <james_w> secretlondon: I think that's a known problem with intrepid at the moment. Or is this hardy?
[23:41] <secretlondon> james_w intrepid
[23:42] <james_w> yeah, I think that's known.
[23:42] <james_w> I think you'll just have to sit tight for a couple of days until this smooths out.
[23:42] <james_w> or you could just get and upload and hope :-)
[23:44] <james_w> secretlondon: your debdiff looks pretty simple though
[23:44] <james_w> are you aware there is a newer version in Debian?
[23:45] <james_w> and we probably want it, as it fixes the build with gcc-4.3, which is what is default in intrepid.
[23:51] <secretlondon> james_w argh, didn't check
[23:51] <secretlondon> my patch is really simple though
[23:52] <james_w> yep, but I don't think it will build without Debian's changes.
[23:52] <secretlondon> ah
[23:52] <james_w> the merge should be straightforward, and you can roll your patch in with that.
[23:52] <secretlondon> sure
[23:53] <james_w> anyway, time for bed I think. Good night.
[23:53] <secretlondon> night! thanks for your help