Suicide to raise awareness of our police state?!?!


[08:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Milk Chocolate Day! :-D
[14:57] <mhall119> now that ubuntuone filesync is gone, how do I make ubuntuone-syncdaemon stop running all the time?
[15:04] <davmor2> mhall119: uninstall it
[15:05] <davmor2> mhall119: are you not on trusty then?  I didn't think u1 was installed on trusty by default.
[15:10] <xnox> davmor2: it's rather not auto-removed on upgrade to trusty.
[15:10] <davmor2> xnox: ah true hadn't thought of that
[15:18] <mhall119> davmor2: I am on trusty, but I upgraded from saucy
[15:18] <davmor2> mhall119: yeah forgot that people upgrade :D   Too used to doing fresh installs to get rid of the cruft build up of the last 6 months
[15:23] <dobey> mhall119: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol
[15:24] <dobey> (if you go to software-center and remove "Ubuntu One" it will only remove the control panel app, not any of the underlying system bits)
[16:10] <mhall119> thanks dobey


[07:24] <Niggar_Babar> hi
[07:24] <Niggar_Babar> UBUNTU BUBUBUBUBUBUBUBUBBMNBUBNUBNBUBUBUBUNTU
[15:53] <kokoye2007> hello all
[15:53] <kokoye2007> who can help for ubuntu-cloak
[15:58] <AlanBell> hi kokoye2007
[15:58] <kokoye2007> yeah AlanBell
[15:58] <AlanBell> are you an Ubuntu Member and what is your launchpad page?
[15:58] <kokoye2007> ~kokoye2007
[15:59] <kokoye2007> launchpad.net/~kokoye2007
[16:03] <AlanBell> looks great kokoye2007
[16:03] <kokoye2007> thx AlanBell
[16:04] <AlanBell> staff can we have an ubuntu/member/kokoye2007 cloak please
[16:04] <kokoye2007> :)
[16:06]  * IdleOne pokes jbroome
[16:15] <jbroome> IdleOne: kokoye2007 done!
[16:15] <kokoye2007> thx AlanBell
[16:16] <kokoye2007> next question jbroome and AlanBell
[16:16] <jbroome> kokoye2007: it shows up when you ID to nickserv
[16:16] <Pici> heh
[16:21] <kokoye2007> AlanBell: can ask other question ? for LoCo Team irc bot and meeting record
[16:21] <AlanBell> kokoye2007: ask away, but I am about to pop out
[16:22] <kokoye2007> ok sir
[16:22] <kokoye2007> who can help Loco team irc - meeting record and other bot


[03:43] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 19 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-19/
[15:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: GNOME 3.32 Gives Users More Say on What Apps Can Access @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=138157 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:11] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Easily Overclock NVIDIA GPU on Linux with This New App @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=138187 (by Joey Sneddon)
[16:45] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Canonical Patches Linux Kernel Regression in Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, Update Now @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-patches-linux-kernel-regression-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts-update-now-524816.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[18:25] <Bashing-om> Pulling "WIP" As there is a Doctor appointment My publishment will be delayed a bit.
[19:30]  * Bashing-om Away for a spell ,, will publish when I return :)
[20:03] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Embedded Linux OS LibreELEC 9.0 Released with Kodi 18 "Leia," Here's What's New @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/embedded-linux-os-libreelec-9-0-released-with-kodi-18-leia-here-s-what-s-new-524819.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[22:07] <Bashing-om> Beginning the publishing process ATT :)
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Andddd .. M/L is away .. and the forum post is done .. doing the re-directs next.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> Re-directs done .. pending is the social media.
[22:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Got eyes on ? - best I know wildman is in-disposed.
[22:46] <guiverc> yeah - been fighting with fridge wp for last 30+ mins... i need permission to publish anyway; but it's not liking the post (I think wp has been changed..)
[22:46] <guiverc> i need a second anyway to publish - you happy Bashing-om for #564 to be published on fridge (when it's good enough)
[22:48] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Well, I have already pushed to the forum . I got no responses to make any additional edits, so I did push it out.
[22:57] <guiverc> the formatting is slightly different (lots of
 added as it today ignored blank lines; the
 giving a slight larger break than \n used to)..  (these though will be easy to add in script if this is a new norm)  wp didn't like our pictures but I got them displayed.. can i please publish it
[23:00] <Bashing-om> And SlidingHorn has posted to reddit :) guiverc: I had not noticed any of the
, did not look in the raw. I have made no changes to the format :(
[23:00] <krytarik> guiverc: I could have a look at it too if you want.  Otherwise yeah, just do it.
[23:01] <guiverc> thanks krytarik ---  it could be just me having entered wordpress differently.. if it occurs again then for sure..
[23:02] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/02/04/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-564/
[23:02] <Bashing-om> krytarik: What effect will discontinueing Google+ have on our Gdoc ? We need to find/makeup a new medium for our template ?
[23:05] <krytarik> Well, that's not Google+, but the Google office suite, so none.  Publishing to our Google+ page is going to stop then though, of course.
[23:11] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Good deal .. I just got a bit worried as I have an advisory "Your Google+ account is going away on April 2, 2019." in Gdoc :(
[23:24] <guiverc> uwn564: g+ & tweet done (also mewe by me)  no fb [yet]
[23:27] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 564 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/02/04/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-564/
[23:43] <guiverc> fb done too now.  (uwn 564)
[23:55] <Bashing-om> We do UWN565 :)


[12:44] <mjg59> BenC: Why is EDD turned off?
[12:45] <BenC> remind me what the hell it is
[12:45] <mjg59> It's used to let the OS know what the BIOS thinks about attached drives
[12:45] <mjg59> Which lets us work out which drive corresponds to 0x80, which to 0x81 and so on
[12:46] <BenC> it also totally borks a whole class of system to where it can't boot
[12:47] <mjg59> Then we need to fix that
[12:47] <mjg59> But, uh, wasn't it built as a module?
[12:48] <BenC>   * 33939: Disable CONFIG_EDD. Causing problems, and not needed anyway.
[12:48] <BenC>     Symptons were seemingly locked up after grub jumped to kernel, but
[12:48] <BenC>     actually would boot after 2 minute delay.
[12:48] <BenC> EDD enables things in arch/ or something
[12:48] <BenC> disabled over a year ago
[12:49] <BenC> so was disabled for dapper release
[12:49] <BenC> left disabled in edgy
[12:50] <mjg59> Well, we're going to need it to fix a class of bugs
[12:50] <BenC> rgrep CONFIG_EDD arch/i386/boot/
[12:50] <BenC> it does some junk in the boot wrapper it seems
[12:50] <BenC> maybe we can just disable that part
[12:50] <mjg59> Hm. Yeah, I guess it has to do the call at boot time.
[12:51] <mjg59> However, there's no other way of working out whether sda or sdb is the boot drive
[12:52] <BenC> is that because of libata not working as well as ide drivers for getting that info?
[12:52] <BenC> or was it like hda == 0x80 always?
[12:53] <mjg59> hda was /usually/ 0x80
[12:53] <mjg59> But there's no way of guaranteeing that
[12:54] <BenC> hmm...I think I might have a machine that hung with EDD enabled
[12:55] <mjg59> Now that ide and scsi drives are in the same namespace, there's more risk of collisions
[12:56] <mrec> BenC: do you know about any issues with uvc webcams?
[12:57] <BenC> mrec: I don't know about uvc at all, just that I put the module in there :)
[12:57] <mrec> I wonder because I received such a device and the linux-uvc driver (usb video class) just crashes it
[12:58] <mrec> the company which sent the cam to me told me it will work with 1 gig ram (most of it will be used for the driver)
[12:59] <mrec> with video4linux/dvb regarding support for the 60 additional devices we had several discussions on the ML now
[01:00] <mrec> code will be merged regardless of what some people say since they aren't willing to help either
[01:00] <mrec> (well just 2 people were against it :)
[01:06] <BenC> ok
[01:28] <defendguin> still working on feisty bugs?
[01:34] <jb-home> defendguin: Critical ones only.
[01:34] <defendguin> my touchpad is critically broken after suspend
[01:35] <defendguin> very very annoying if you forget your mouse
[01:38] <defendguin> bug 82860
[01:39] <jb-home> If there's a bug filed, I'm sure it'll be triaged and such.
[01:39] <jb-home> Given that the release just happened, I wouldn't expect to hear from anyone this weekend though.
[01:41] <defendguin> i've been very proactive about the bugs that i have and can help with
[01:45] <mjg59> defendguin: In most cases, the only ways you can be helpful are to test patches or fix the bug yourself
[01:46] <mjg59> These things are very hard to track down without access to the hardware
[01:46] <defendguin> providing timely access to information?
[01:47] <defendguin> i'm sure i could test patches
[03:29] <steb> how do i boot to install a new kernel if none of my kernels work?
[03:48] <jb-home> steb: #ubuntu is better for these types of questions.
[03:48] <jb-home> steb: But I'd suggest a known-working livecd.
[05:22] <vimalg2> can anyone explain why the power management on ubuntu reduces my laptop's battery life by half. Aren't APM and ACPI industry standards?
[05:22] <poningru> yes and no
[05:22] <poningru> acpi is the modern industry standard
[05:23] <vimalg2> oh ok.
[05:23] <poningru> the only trouble is that most laptop manufacturers implement it
[05:23] <poningru> poorly
[05:23] <vimalg2> why do some lapt-top installation guides reccomend turning off acpi during installation?
[05:23] <poningru> whether this is malicious or not is not known
[05:23] <poningru> vimalg2: because other wise you cant install it at all
[05:23] <vimalg2> poningru: thanks .
[05:24] <poningru> but those cases have been mostly removed... but BenC or cjwatson are better candidates to answer that particular question
[05:24] <poningru> vimalg2: for example there are many many scripts for acpi that are setup for specific laptops
[05:25] <vimalg2> poningru: oh. I've never had to do the acpi=off setting ever for debian-based distros. I've had trouble getting it on my buddies notebooks
[05:25] <BenC> vimalg2: battery life is probably more to do with your cpufreq than acpi
[05:26] <BenC> never do acpi=off on a laptop...then you have pretty much a desktop on a battery
[05:26] <BenC> no suspend, not battery reporting, no nothing
[05:26] <vimalg2> BenC: I'm on Nehemiah. The associated kernel module is langhaul I believe for cpu-scaling.
[05:26] <BenC> vimalg2: then check your cpu state in /sys/
[05:26] <vimalg2> Is it in a usable state in Feisty.(I'm still downloading the ISO's)
[05:26] <BenC> check the freq, scaling governor, etc.
[05:27] <vimalg2> Via nehemian CPUID 0698
[05:28] <vimalg2> BenC: i'm still figuring out how to get internet access to my hone(It doesnt have a PPP dial-up profile) Ironically the cell phone runs a 2.4.x moontavista kernel. So i have to play with NAT and the route command to get the traffic into Ubuntu/*nix.
[05:29] <vimalg2> So i'm stuck with et access in windows
[05:29] <vimalg2> *net
[05:29] <BenC> you're actually getting into #ubuntu type questions and topics here
[05:30] <BenC> most of this stuff can be answered in the wiki, or from folks in that channel
[05:30] <vimalg2> BenC: thank you for your time. I was just curious about the state of power management and cpu-scaling for CMOV instruction enabled Nehemiah procesors
[05:31] <vimalg2> I'll just poke around i guess. thanks :)
[05:31] <BenC> vimalg2: we've enabled everything the kernel supports :)
[05:31] <BenC> np
[02:51] <\sh> guys, anyone has a clue how to replace linux/config.h with something which is in linux-headers?
[02:51] <\sh> (feisty 2.6.20-15-generic image) just trying to compile cisco vpn client
[03:06] <jb-home> \sh: Just don't include it and hardcode the defines.
[03:06] <jb-home> The use of config.h is trying to detect what's in your current kernel.
[03:06] <jb-home> It's generally just a Bad Idea(tm)
[03:07] <jb-home> If you're compiling something for distribution, it's always better to do a runtime check for features.
[03:07] <\sh> jb-home: well, I found a patch already
[05:10] <maks_> congrats for the release :)
[05:11] <kylem> thanks maks.
[05:14] <BenC> well, guess I'm going to give this 2.6.21 build a test run...brb
[05:25] <BenC> well, it booted :)
[05:25] <maks_> dynticks?
[05:26] <BenC> $ grep NO_HZ /boot/config-2.6.21-1-generic
[05:26] <BenC> CONFIG_NO_HZ=y
[05:26] <kylem> woot.
[05:27] <BenC> not running it right now...I've got to get lrm compiled with it
[05:40] <penguin42> Can anyone suggest anything for checking my kernels idea of timing? movie player is playing way faster than real time and I've got a 'Your time source seems to be instable or some driver is hogging interrupts' error - so I wonder if something is going odd (on Feisty)
[05:43] <penguin42> it's a laptop so I also wonder if something is trying to be too clever and then not coping with varying cpu clocks
[05:44] <BenC> penguin42: is it an AMD cpu?
[05:47] <penguin42> no, core2 duo (in 64 bit mode)
[05:48] <BenC> I've not heard of those issues
[05:48] <BenC> have you tried in 32-bit?
[05:48] <BenC> to be honest, 64-bit mode really doesn't buy you a whole lot, and it keeps you from being able to use things like flashplayer
[05:48] <penguin42> no I haven't yet - most stuff seems to be running fine; but as I say movie player is odd (which I've not seen before)
[05:48] <penguin42> I've got flash going using nspluginwrapper - that is reasonably good
[05:54] <jb-home> penguin42: Ah nice.  I had no luck with nspluginwrapper.
[05:55] <jb-home> penguin42: Is it hard to build?  It would be really nice to have that in the archive.
[05:55] <penguin42> jb-home: I got a prebuilt one - there is a bug filed somewhere asking for it to be packaged
[05:56] <penguin42> jb-home: It's not perfect (e.g. I see errors in the logs about some plugin trying to use the gnome theme engine and of course it's trying to pick up the 64bit one); and I've got a couple of flash issues I've never seen on a native flash
[05:59] <BenC> penguin42: have you installed ia32-libs-gtk?
[05:59] <penguin42> BenC: Yep
[05:59] <BenC> penguin42: also, you may be able to disable HPET in your BIOS and see if that helps
[05:59] <BenC> I've seen problems with it before
[06:00] <penguin42> I wouldn't bet that the BIOS can disable it - I assume there is a kernel param?
[06:35] <BenC> hpet=off
[06:35] <BenC> I know for sure at least 3 of my boxes can disable hpet in BIOS
[06:36] <penguin42> ok, I'll give that a go on my next reboot
[06:36] <penguin42> Thanks
[06:43] <BenC> np
[06:49] <penguin42> hmm I suspect HPET isn't used anyway - I found a test program in Documentation/hpet.txt  and whenever it tries to do anything there is an error in dmesg 'IRQ handler type mismatch for IRQ 8   current handler: rtc' and a backtrace
[07:06] <BenC> penguin42: actually, that looks more like it is used, since rtc module is already grabbing the IRQ
[07:07] <BenC> or not, hard to tell from that
[07:15] <penguin42> there are so many timer related messages in dmesg it's difficult for me to know - there is mention of APIC timer,then Using 14.318180 MHz WALL HPET GTOD HPET timer, ah then there is mention of hpet0 (3 timrs with IRQs 2,8,0) so I guess it is used
[08:16] <BenC> yay, lrm builds against 2.6.21 without a hitch
[08:17] <kylem> good work old bean.
[08:17] <kylem> :)
[08:18] <BenC> time to reboot and really give this a test
[08:19] <BenC> cheerio chap
[08:26] <BenC> Linux cunning 2.6.21-1-generic #1 SMP Sat Apr 21 13:37:35 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:04] <simira> BenC: do you know if the laptop/hibernate/acpi problem were solved before release?
[12:05] <dade`> BenC: !!!
[12:05] <dade`> where are you ?
[12:09] <dade`> i can try now if you remember me that command.
[12:09] <dade`> for piix


[01:54] <lifeless> bradb: abentley here is in the bazaar-developers team
[01:54] <lifeless> bradb: but can't edit bugs
[01:54] <abentley> lifeless: my bad, I forgot to log in.
[01:54] <lifeless> oh.
[01:54] <lifeless> bradb: nevermind :)
[01:54] <abentley> Sorry to bug ya.
[03:07] <HostingGeek> I LOVE https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/
[03:08] <HostingGeek> at last i can help
[03:08] <HostingGeek> Promiss you will give me a chance please
[03:10] <HostingGeek> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/ should be made more clear
[03:11] <HostingGeek> as i was thinking it of #ubuntu-motu was what i was looking for
[03:31] <HostingGeek> I am sorry but this channel is not allowed on freenode
[03:31] <HostingGeek> as this is not OSS
[03:31] <HostingGeek> and freenode only allows channel that are OSS
[03:31] <HostingGeek> with #
[03:31] <HostingGeek> read the policy
[03:32] <HostingGeek> you could make a ## channel for about the open source modules for lunch-pad
[03:32] <HostingGeek> I am not trolling
[03:32] <HostingGeek> please read the freenode policy


[11:43] <sysardex> Hi
[11:49] <xu-irc21w> hello?
[13:58] <pc> hello
[15:55] <Cursarion> I have this weird-ish issue, where xfce4-panel gives some program icons to "Status Tray Plugin" and some others to "Indicator Plugin". I cleared known items from both and now neither know any items yet stuff's still divided between the two. How can I make one of them handle all items?
[15:59] <krytarik> Cursarion: Iirc the first should also handle the items that used to be handled by the latter, so I'd try just removing the latter from the panel.
[16:01] <Cursarion> krytarik: didn't have any effect
[16:01] <Cursarion> now the ones owned by "Indicator Plugin" just simply don't show up in "Status Tray Plugin"
[16:03] <krytarik> Ah, ok.  And why would dividing the items between the two be an issue, so long as all items show up and also only once?
[16:08] <Cursarion> I'd rather just use one of them, but I guess I can live with both of them enabled
[16:09] <Cursarion> oh, now it works
[16:09] <Cursarion> I restarted the panel
[16:09] <Cursarion> for some reason it didn't work earlier, but now it did
[16:11] <Cursarion> clearly because I complained about it not working


[10:41] <Paully> Welcome star. we'll take good care of you
[10:41] <Nomikos> how do i restart Nautilus?
[10:41] <star> uh ,thanks
[10:41] <Paully> Nomikus: ps -A | grep naut
[10:41] <Paully> Nomikus: find the pid and type kill -s 9 pidnumber
[10:42] <Paully> Nomikus: or just restart X with ctrl+alt+backspace
[10:42] <_reset> how can i play a mp3 with samba?
[10:42] <mongbatstar> hiya, need some help- jus installed 64bit version of 5.04, didnt get a single error but the grub aint installed atall and my system boot straight into windows xp :(
[10:42] <Nomikos> hmm.. there's over 10 of them, should there be?
[10:42] <Paully> Nomikus: should only be one
[10:42] <mauper> _reset: I thought samba was a smb server ?
[10:42] <star> how can I get to Kyo(my brother)
[10:42] <Nomikos> Ctrl+alt+backspc it is
[10:43] <Paully> C U after restart Nomikos
[10:43] <sam_> Hi everyone can somebody help with ndis-wrapper
[10:43] <_reset> mauper,  i see the foto, but can't play mp3 in samba :(
[10:43] <Nomikos> (not this box)
[10:43] <Paully> oh
[10:43] <Paully> :-)
[10:44] <mongbatstar> hiya, need some help- jus installed 64bit version of 5.04, didnt get a single error but the grub aint installed atall and my system boot straight into windows xp :(
[10:44] <ebone> guys ... i'm trying to compile 2.6.11 ....
[10:44] <ebone> this is what i get:
[10:44] <ebone> make[2] : *** [drivers/acpi/pcc_acpi.o]  Error 1
[10:44] <ebone> make[1] : *** [drivers/acpi]  Error 2
[10:44] <ebone> make: *** [drivers]  Error 2
[10:44] <ebone> any ideas ?
[10:44] <star> um.........hello
[10:44] <Paully> Star. I didn't really understand your question
[10:45] <sam_>  can somebody help with ndis-wrapper
[10:45] <tuxadm_> your headers are "broken" ebone
[10:45] <sam_> i have installed it via apt-get but I cant acess iit
[10:46] <star> well I'm trying to chat with him *star is lost in confusion
[10:46] <lotia> anyone using the windows bootloader to boot into linux?
[10:46] <mjr> any clue why my DVD drive won't go into DMA mode if I've booted from it? (Shuttle SN95G5, gives  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted)
[10:46] <sam_> i dont think windows will allow ext2 or 3 partitions
[10:46] <Paully> star: when I type "/whois kyo" there are no person by that name on this network
[10:46] <lotia> technically using the windows bootloader to boot into grub and then ubuntu?
[10:47] <sam_> but if u use fat16/32 it might work
[10:47] <Nomikos> O_o Ctrl-Alt-Del fails to even work...
[10:47] <lsuactiafner> mjr : sudo
[10:47] <mjr> lsuactiafner, no
[10:47] <pgidz> nomikos try killing nautilus
[10:47] <Paully> Nomikos: do NOT touch that powercord!
[10:47] <Nomikos> :-)
[10:47] <Nomikos> rebooted via menu now
[10:47] <star> no its acutully JUST Kyo
[10:47] <tuxadm_> cat /etc/passwd
[10:47] <Paully> haha
[10:47] <Nomikos> that works (thankfully..)
[10:48] <Nomikos> pgidz: at some point Nautilus wasn't running anymore, but i couldn't start it either, some GTK error.. seeing if it comes back now
[10:48] <HappyFool> mjr: not maybe sata or weird ide (or sata/scsi) controller or something ?
[10:48] <Gourami>  how do I boot without run the cron jobs ?
[10:48] <Paully> star: no Kyo on this network. maybe he is using another name
[10:49] <Dakkar> hello!  I am trying to install linux for the first time...
[10:49] <mjr> HappyFool, no, and the problem appears only if I boot from it
[10:49] <star> * star has no clue what everone is saying, but is trying to understand*
[10:49] <tuxadm_> cat /etc/passwd | grep Kyo
[10:49] <HappyFool> Gourami: 'sudo reboot' ?
[10:49] <sam_> can somebody durect me to a ndis-wrapper post installation guide
[10:49] <Dakkar> The install went smootly but at the restart i received a grub error 18 message...
[10:49] <HappyFool> mjr: hrm. ok, i give up ;)
[10:49] <mjr> which is, well, all the time now, as the rest of my drives are now sata, and this stupid box won't boot from those
[10:49] <mjr> (sigh)
[10:50] <star> well can I talk to you then
[10:50] <mjr> well thanks anyway
[10:50] <Nomikos> woooooo! icons! windows!
[10:50] <Paully> sam_ i would if i had any experience with ndis. unfortunatley no wireless network card here to try it with
[10:51] <sam_> I have installed ndis-wrapper just asking for a uide to work with it I cant acess it
[10:51] <star> hey paully what is every one talking about????? *still lost*
[10:51] <bionic> whats a neat torrent client for linux? i dont like gnome bittorent. :)
[10:52] <tuxadm_> sam_ have you tried lspci
[10:52] <Paully> star: you are in the #ubuntu channel. Ubuntu is a linux version. only technical lingo in here. maybe you have entered here by mistake? do you need any help with your linux box or just want to chat?
[10:53] <sam_> whats lspci
[10:53] <Dakkar> anybody knows about grub error 18?
[10:53] <lsuactiafner> man grub
[10:53] <pgidz> bionic try azureus
[10:53] <star> *star  thinks she has lost her mind* ummmm..........hello
[10:53] <Gourami> helpful tip, when testing a cron for shutdown dont set it to run every minute... lol
[10:53] <Prottie> Gourami: hehe
[10:53] <apollo2011> What program/command do I use to make a deb from an rpm
[10:53] <socomm> star: You're probably in the wrong channel.
[10:54] <tuxadm_> lspci list pci devices and such
[10:54] <Gourami> I got myself in a nasty shutdown...startup...shutdown...startup cycle
[10:54] <mauper> apollo2011: alien ?
[10:54] <sam_> lol
[10:54] <thielmann> apollo2011: 'alien'
[10:54] <apollo2011> thx
[10:54] <lsuactiafner> rofl Gourami
[10:54] <bionic> pgidz, thanks
[10:54] <Paully> oh she left. I like the confused types
[10:54] <tiglionabbit> woot, I fixed it!  All I needed to do was include a library
[10:54] <Paully> oh well
[10:55] <Gourami> but I got my first cron to work !! yeeha
[10:55] <Paully> Gourami: did you do a cron shutdown?
[10:55] <sam_> this is pointless
[10:55] <Gourami> yes Paully
[10:55] <socomm> Haha.
[10:56] <Paully> Gourami: did it work as you'd expect? never tried that
[10:56] <pgidz> gourami did you have to put the -h now to get it to work
[10:56] <Gourami> yes it did, with a few tries
[10:56] <Paully> congrats
[10:56] <Gourami> no I just needed the full path to shutdown
[10:56] <Gourami> thanks :)
[10:58] <Paully> what do you need it for? can you trigger a shutdown after a torrent download? for example: detect when torrent is at 100% + write cron to shutdown after 5 minutes?
[10:58] <Gourami> no its to shutdown all workstations at the office at 6pm
[10:59] <lsuactiafner> Paully : i would think wget url ; halt , not sure about torrents
[10:59] <Paully> oh. that does make sence.
[10:59] <geargolem> anyone have success with flash-for-linux?
[10:59] <Paully> lsuactiafner (wow that was hard to type) of course
[10:59] <Paully> geargolem: yep
[10:59] <lsuactiafner> dont type, type ls then press tab for nick completion
[10:59] <geargolem> Paully, type first few letters of name and hit <tab>for autocomplete
[11:00] <geargolem> Paully are you using Hoary?  How did you get it to compile?
[11:00] <Paully> geargolem, downloaded flash from macromedia of course. why complicate things? :-)
[11:01] <geargolem> Paully, I'm talking about a flash editor
[11:01] <nalioth> geargolem: its still really really beta (f4l)
[11:01] <geargolem> nalioth, no luck yet?
[11:01] <Paully> geargolem, oh.
[11:02] <star> well I've got nothing else to do
[11:02] <nalioth> geargolem: i tried to compile it t'other night, and i noticed the first line of code was #this software is broken
[11:02] <geargolem> nalioth, lol.  I'm wishing it would work.
[11:02] <Nomikos> star, sorry, i drank your beer
[11:03] <geargolem> nalioth, did you see the broken link for the deb file?
[11:03] <star> ha ha very funny
[11:03] <nalioth> geargolem: nope, i run a PPC
[11:03] <Paully> hi star. welcome back
[11:03] <geargolem> Paully, it was taught to me.
[11:03] <syntaxerror64> hi nalioth!
[11:03] <Nomikos> ooh, like sambucca
[11:04] <Paully> geargolem, it's a very handy thing!
[11:04] <pfp> good, eh?
[11:04] <Paully> geargolem, i type like double speed now haha
[11:04] <geargolem> Paully, yep.
[11:04] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: whassup!
[11:04] <Nomikos> :)
[11:04] <syntaxerror64> nalioth, not a lot just got back on ubuntu for the first time in a couple weeks :)
[11:04] <star> well there was nothing else to do so I came back
[11:04] <Nomikos> my nick is Greek'ish but not actually from around there
[11:04] <nalioth> syntaxerror64: i see that
[11:05] <geargolem> how about wysiwyg web editors?
[11:05] <nalioth> geargolem: nvu
[11:05] <nalioth> geargolem: or mozilla-composer
[11:05] <geargolem> nalioth, didn't like nvu.  I'll try mozilla-composer
[11:06] <Paully> star, where are you from?
[11:06] <star> *star hands her beer to Nomikos because she doen't drink beer*
[11:06] <Nomikos> beer, ouzo, beer again, i'm not gonna get anything done tonight
[11:06] <JDigital> Can someone remind me how to do symlinks?
[11:07] <_reset> someone use samba????
[11:07] <pfp> JDigital: ln -s filename linkname
[11:07] <JDigital> such that /home/jdigital/images/ is like, an alias for /mnt/stuff/images/
[11:07] <star> I'm from Ohio * satr giggles
[11:07] <JDigital> thanks pfp
[11:07] <nalioth> JDigital: the "man" can   "man ln"
[11:07] <_reset> someone use samba????
[11:07] <Paully> JDigital, ln -s /etc/cpme /to/this/one
[11:07] <JDigital> thx Paully
[11:07] <Nomikos> _reset, yo, but i can tell you little about it
[11:07] <Paully> _reset, yep. just set it up
[11:07] <fiberoptix> Hey everyone, Im a long time gentoo user and I wanted to try out a more desktop friendly distro, but the only "package" system I know is gentoos portage,.  How do you install packages to unbutru
[11:08] <JDigital> _reset: I'm sure someone does
[11:08] <_reset> i hpe
[11:08] <JDigital> fiberoptix: run Synaptic
[11:08] <Paully> fiberoptix, apt-get install foobar
[11:08] <_reset> hope
[11:08] <fiberoptix> JDigital:  symlinks line is ln -l
[11:08] <nalioth> fiberoptix: we use apt
[11:08] <Tuxicity> _reset, I do... sometimes
[11:08] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: apt-get absolutely rules, even i get it
[11:08] <fiberoptix> apt-get whats that? is software ocmpiled from source or binaries?
[11:08] <star>  I don't know what you guys are saying ,but at least I get to watch
[11:08] <_reset> i am able to see the pics with samba
[11:08] <nalioth> fiberoptix: apt can compile from source, if you want it to
[11:08] <_reset> but don't play mp3
[11:08] <_reset> :(
[11:08] <Gourami> any idea how I can broadcast a message to the user from a cron job ?
[11:09] <Paully> fiberoptix, apt-get is like emerge but without the compiling
[11:09] <fiberoptix> nalioth: are the packages stored on unbutru mirrors?
[11:09] <Nomikos> star, most here are talking about computery stuff, Linux etc
[11:09] <Paully> _reset, samba is a filesharing network. nothing to do with mp3
[11:09] <pfp> fiberoptix: you basically have repositories on the net and you install stuff just by selecting packages.. downloading, version selection anda eevrything is automagic
[11:09] <nalioth> fiberoptix: yes, you may look here: packages.ubuntu.com
[11:10] <fiberoptix> pfp: sweet, is thier a listing of available packages somewhere on the net?
[11:10] <fiberoptix> nalioth: lol beat me to it
[11:10] <star> well my dad is a Linux man
[11:10] <JDigital> _reset: can you play mp3 even without samba?
[11:10] <JDigital> _reset: Ubuntu needs to have the MP3 support installed separately, I think
[11:10] <Gourami> any idea how I can broadcast a message to the user from a cron job ?
[11:10] <_reset> ya Paully  but when you share a folder you watch in
[11:10] <JDigital> the wiki explains how to do this, or ubuntuguide.org
[11:10] <_reset> JDigital,  yep
[11:10] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: as JDigital said, synaptic is nice as well, GUI for listings and managing installs
[11:10] <nalioth> JDigital: please do not advise ubuntuguide
[11:11] <fiberoptix> nalioth: ok one last question, is unbutru "linuxie" enough to allow you to compile unavailable programs from source and have them work correctly
[11:11] <_reset> in local i play mp3 without problem
[11:11] <JDigital> what's wrong with ubuntuguide
[11:11] <JDigital> _reset: oh
[11:11] <JDigital> so much for that idea
[11:11] <Gourami> or a network broadcast to all workstations even
[11:11] <nalioth> fiberoptix: yes it is. i've used linux for over 5 years and i love this
[11:11] <pfp> fiberoptix: yea, 3 separate repo's exist, with different levels of support from ubuntu / the community / $deity ... someone already pasted that packages.ubuntu.com link
[11:11] <Paully> _reset, i have never tried it. hang on
[11:11] <star> *star starts getting dizzy from so many words*
[11:11] <nalioth> _reset: JDigital please see #3 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines
[11:12] <Nomikos> star, you're on your dad's computer now?
[11:12] <mjr> hmpf, found my problem. Apparently not related to boot after all; the ide driver just doesn't want to enable DMA if there's no hard drive present. A CD drive won't do. Buggers.
[11:12] <Nomikos> that might've been how you got here then :-)
[11:12] <mjr> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25541
[11:12] <JDigital> aha
[11:12] <_reset> Paully,  i watch the pics trough samba why not mp3?
[11:12] <JDigital>  Ubuntuguide.org presents wrong solutions, ranging from suboptimal solutions to pure regressions.
[11:12] <JDigital> hehe
[11:13] <fiberoptix> thanks for the help guys, anyone here ever use gentoo? what are unbutrus advantages over gentoo
[11:13] <star> *star races to the bathrom and.........uh thats not pretty
[11:13] <star> no, this is MY computer
[11:13] <nalioth> fiberoptix: the option to install a binary and have it within minutes vs compiling everything on board
[11:13] <Nomikos> ah ok
[11:14] <Tuxicity> fiberoptix, less time wasted ;)
[11:14] <holba> fiberoptix: you don't have to wait 12 hours for openoffice to compile :)
[11:14] <fiberoptix> nalioth: Thats true but gentoo has most compile heavy software as binaries
[11:14] <fiberoptix> including openoffice
[11:14] <Paully> _reset, i got the same problem with movies. strange. maybe because file-associations does not work over shares. i have no idea why. it is a very good question
[11:14] <holba> fiberoptix: upgrades require less messing with configs
[11:14] <Tuxicity> fiberoptix, the binaries on Gentoo often cause problems as I recall
[11:14] <fiberoptix> so mainly ease of use?
[11:14] <nalioth> fiberoptix: use ubuntu and see
[11:14] <holba> yes
[11:15] <star> *star walks back and barley reachs the key board*
[11:15] <_reset> Paully,  in the past worked this
[11:15] <nalioth> fiberoptix: if you have any questions about apt, just drop in and ask
[11:15] <Paully> _reset, will restart the laptop and see if the problem still exist after reboot
[11:15] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: i found it easier than even the most basic configure-make-makeinstall dances
[11:16] <_reset> tnx
[11:16] <moten> hello
[11:16] <star>  *star wiats for anyone to talk to her and starts to fall a sleep*
[11:16] <peet> nalioth: how do you check if a package has been installed
[11:16] <Paully> _reset, I know i did get some samba problems after i installed a local firewall (firestarter) but wait a few minutes and i will experiment
[11:16] <nalioth> peet: i use synaptic
[11:16] <Nomikos> fiberoptix: for example to install a nice editor you go  $ sudo apt-get install bluefish <enter> *type password* ... done.
[11:17] <peet> nalioth: from the console though
[11:17] <peet> Nomikos: or ou can sudo bash
[11:17] <nalioth> peet: i'm not sure
[11:18] <Nomikos> i usually do "sudo -s -H" copypasted from somewhere, seems to work :)
[11:18] <luckec> heya
[11:19] <Agiofws> i'm asking for a freind
[11:19] <rasputnik> peet: 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii |grep packagename'
[11:19] <you-bunt-too> Has anyone tried the new version of Nvu 1.0?
[11:19] <Agiofws> he installed  ubuntu -gnome
[11:19] <you-bunt-too> I don't see it yet for ubuntu so I'm curious
[11:19] <luckec> can anyone get edit-access in the ubuntu-wiki? I mean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:20] <peet> rasputnik: thanks
[11:20] <rasputnik> np
[11:20] <Agiofws> but can't find an app tha connets to the net via dial-up can anyone help?
[11:20] <luckec> IMHO there is an error in the documentation fot grub-splashimages ...
[11:21] <pgidz> agiofws try system -> admin -> networking
[11:21] <CarlFK> luckec - yes.
[11:21] <you-bunt-too> if I were to make a .deb package with ubuntu hoary using checkinstall, and it installs fine on my system, would this be suitable for others to use as well? Why or why not?
[11:21] <luckec> CarlFK: How? I didn't find a link to register ...
[11:21] <Agiofws> pgidz,  what app?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> luckec, wiki is editable by all
[11:21] <pgidz> agiofws try system -> admin -> networking
[11:21] <Agiofws> is he looking for?
[11:22] <Agiofws> kppp?
[11:22] <JDigital> Uh-oh, I symlinked the wrong thing.
[11:22] <Paully> _reset, it does work fine for me. mp3 = no problem using totem
[11:22] <CarlFK> luckec - well, i was registered for a while.  upper right is login?
[11:22] <JDigital> how do I undo it
[11:22] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: you can get a deb from the nvu homepage
[11:22] <luckec> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork -> in the top left corner is a link that says "Log in to edit"
[11:22] <rasputnik> luckec: 'log in to edit' - you need a launchpad account, sign up
[11:22] <pgidz> agiofws click on system then admin then networking
[11:23] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, thanks. Regarding my second question,  I was merely curious about making .debs as a general question :)
[11:23] <luckec> rasputnik: aaaah - I see. Thx!
[11:23] <star> hey paully how can I talk to other people
[11:23] <Agiofws> pgidz,  whats tha name of the app ?
[11:23] <Agiofws> do you know....   a dialer is what i need
[11:24] <CarlFK> star - look in synaptic for VoIP
[11:24] <_reset> Paully,  send me smb.conf
[11:25] <CarlFK> star - and then get an account from one of these: http://voip-info.org/tiki-index.php?page=VoIP+Service+Providers
[11:25] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: checkinstall makes a functional deb, but it does not include all the stuff required by debian (for ease of use on all systems)
[11:25] <pgidz> agiofws try gnome-ppp
[11:25] <CarlFK> I use http://www.freeworlddialup.com
[11:25] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: the checkinstall deb might run on your sisters identical puter, but not on anyone elses
[11:25] <Agiofws> is that it does it have a gui front end
[11:25] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, thanks
[11:25] <pgidz> agiofws yes
[11:25] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, so it's advisable NOT to share homemade debs?
[11:25] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, if they were made with checkinstall
[11:26] <luckec> Before I go and get an account ... what do you people think: On this site (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork) at the bottom the menu.lst should not look like
[11:26] <luckec>    splashimage=(hdX,Y)/boot/grub/FILE.xpm.gz
[11:26] <luckec> but it has to go:
[11:26] <luckec>    splashimage=(hdX,Y)/grub/FILE.xpm.gz
[11:26] <luckec> Without a preceding /boot as this is the root that grub uses. Or am I wrong?
[11:26] <pgidz> agiofws http://www.gnome-ppp.org/
[11:26] <rasputnik> nalioth: so what's different about a 'good' .deb?
[11:26] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: correct, keep your homemade debs for your own use
[11:26] <you-bunt-too> nalioth, thanks
[11:26] <nalioth> rasputnik: you'd have to go to debian.org and read up on packaging standards
[11:26] <Paully> _reset, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/363
[11:27] <nalioth> you-bunt-too: the pkgs you make with "sudo apt-get source -b <pkgname>" are official ubuntu pkgs
[11:28] <ebone> kernel compile keeps bombing ....
[11:28] <ebone> during acpi compile:  drivers/acpi/pcc_acpi.c
[11:28] <ebone> any ideas ?  this happens w/ just about any kernel > 2.6.8
[11:29] <cmatheson> ebone, your config sucks
[11:30] <ebone> apparently so ... i opened the file in vi, it's panasonics LCD driver ... don't need it anyway.
[11:30] <Paully> _reset, the only different is that i added so only local computers can connect (hosts allow = 192.168.0. )
[11:30] <ebone> driving me nuts though.
[11:33] <punkrockguy318> How can I use debian packages with Ubuntu?
[11:33] <Joggl``> hi
[11:33] <musicman2059> punkrockguy318: Repository or manually downloaded?
[11:33] <punkrockguy318> manually downloaded
[11:34] <musicman2059> sudo dpkg --install <filename>
[11:35] <punkrockguy318> musicman2059, i get an error
[11:36] <punkrockguy318>  python-apsw depends on python (<< 2.4); however:  Version of python on system is 2.4.1-0ubuntu2.
[11:37] <Tuxicity> punkrockguy318, installing Debian packages on Ubuntu should only be a last resort
[11:38] <punkrockguy318> Tuxicity, what should i do?
[11:38] <Tuxicity> punkrockguy318, which package do you want?
[11:38] <punkrockguy318> python-apsw
[11:43] <arenner> I just installed Ubuntu for the first time and my display is stuck at 640x480. the Screen Res preference will not give me other resolution options. Any ideas?
[11:43] <z|bandito> hi
[11:44] <z|bandito> i'm trying to use python to install bittorrent so i can run my own tracker for my legal music downloads i publish
[11:44] <arkhang> salut
[11:44] <spity> i was wondering, why ubuntu does not source out of debian lately?
[11:44] <z|bandito> but any time i try the python commands, it errors out... 'error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.4/config/Makefile
[11:45] <z|bandito> how can i fix this please?  thanks!  :)
[11:45] <punkrockguy318> Tuxicity, any ideas?
[11:46] <arenner> bandito: Python is installed in Ubuntu by default, why try to switch to python 2.4?
[11:46] <z|bandito> i think it has both installed by default
[11:46] <Paully> arenner, yes. i helped another guy with that today. I don't know how much time i have though. #1 what is the model of your monitor?
[11:46] <z|bandito> err more than one.. i didn't change it afaik
[11:47] <Tuxicity> punkrockguy318, perhaps you should get the source package instead
[11:47] <z|bandito> both 2.1 and 2.4 i think..
[11:47] <arenner> hitachi cs555, graphics processor is nvidia IGP on a nforce board
[11:47] <z|bandito> i might have done a system update with apt-get
[11:48] <arenner> z|bandito: So you get that error when installing Python, or Bittorrent?
[11:48] <Tuxicity> Tuxicity, cause the Deiban binary was compiled against a different version of Python than Ubuntu's
[11:48] <z|bandito> when trying to install bittorrent
[11:49] <Paully> arenner,I did not find any specs. is it an lcd monitor?
[11:52] <nalioth> python has several versions installed on my system
[11:52] <z|bandito> the config directory doesn't even exist, though.. :\
[11:54] <Paully> arenner, i would recommend you to install nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings if you haven't done that yet
[11:55] <knoppix> hi$
[11:55] <sensayshun> Can someone tell me a good dock to use in ubuntu
[11:55] <Paully> hello knoppix
[11:56] <cmatheson> sensayshun, dock?
[11:56] <knoppix> I was writing a homepage and accidentally deleted a long html file
[11:56] <sensayshun> cmatheson, yeah like you get on a mac
[11:56] <knoppix> is there a way to undelete it from ext2 fs?
[11:56] <thingy> I have compiled a custom kernel(make-pkg) using a vanilla source tree tarball + patch set. The kernel's fine, but now I need to get the nvidia driver installed. Is there a non-nvidia installer way of me being able to do this?
[11:56] <nalioth> knoppix: you are out of luck
[11:56] <cyphase> In case your interested and you didn't know, the July issue of Tux Magazine is out - http://www.tuxmagazine.com/
[11:56] <Paully> knoppix, if it's gone it's gone
[11:57] <z|bandito> :(
[11:57] <pipatron> Yoyo. How do I get the gnome-terminal to copy-on-select?
[11:57] <z|bandito> arenner
[11:57] <knoppix> so theres no way? even from ext2?
[11:57] <sensayshun> cmatheson, like this: http://acutus.ca/digitalclock/image-screenshot-thumbnail-dock.jpg
[11:57] <Albaraha> how do I change grub splashimage?
[11:57] <pipatron> I don't like to break my fingers by typing ctrl+shift+c every time I want to copy :(
[11:57] <machetti> hi guys
[11:58] <sensayshun> albaraha, the one when you login?
[11:58] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, I just run klipper
[11:58] <pipatron> you-bunt-too: Sounds like some KDE wizardry
[11:58] <z|bandito> arenner i installed on a laptop today also and i only have 640x480 despite i know it is a 800x600 lcd, and in x setup i specified both resolutions.. however it is only a 2mb video card so i dunno if i can support 800x600... perhaps if i change the bit-depth, but i didn't see that option there.. i'll have to look again. dunno if you have an older gfx card in
[11:58] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, yes but it works in Gnome
[11:58] <machetti> does anyone know how i can get totem to work on my box
[11:58] <nalioth> z|bandito: try with the VESA driver
[11:58] <pipatron> machetti: Not unless you specify the error :)
[11:59] <z|bandito> er, how? :)
[11:59] <pipatron> you-bunt-too: Are you sure? I guess I could try it out then
[11:59] <rasputnik> pipatron: X already does, just middle click to paste it
[11:59] <luckec> Albaraha: Howto change Grub-Image: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtwork
[11:59] <Tuxicity> pipatron, sounds like a feature request :)
[11:59] <you-bunt-too> pipatron, yes it works flawlessly in Gnome
[12:00] <Jeruhme> For some reason my mouse "lags" every few seconds and it's driving me crazy... I've seen the issue reported elsewhere, but no resolution.  Anyone know what to do?


[22:45] <newlife> hi everybody :)
[22:45] <newlife> just become an ubuntu member and asking about the member cloaks
[22:46] <IdleOne> newlife: link to your LP page
[22:46] <newlife> ohhh. .. IdleOne
[22:46] <newlife> yes......
[22:47] <IdleOne> IRCC we have a new member here who needs a new cloak
[22:47] <newlife> https://launchpad.net/~new.life
[22:47] <IdleOne> thank you. now just sit patiently and one of the IRCC will get it sorted
[22:47] <newlife> yes
[22:48] <newlife> thx so much!
[22:48] <IdleOne> Welcome
[22:59] <AlanBell> hi newlife
[23:00] <Fuchs> *rawr*
[23:00] <newlife> hi AlanBell :)
[23:00]  * Myrtti goes to play with a ball of yarn since Fuchs is around
[23:00] <Fuchs> Myrtti: aww, sorry :(
[23:01] <Myrtti> don't be
[23:01] <Myrtti> yarn ♥
[23:01] <Fuchs> Alright, enjoy :)
[23:01] <AlanBell> all looks in order, can one of you apply the cloak please
[23:01] <Fuchs> AlanBell: done (I hope I remembered the format correctly)
[23:01] <newlife> thx everybody
[23:01] <Fuchs> newlife: congratulations :)
[23:02] <AlanBell> perfect, thanks Fuchs
[23:02] <Fuchs> You're welcome :)
[23:02] <newlife> thx so much Fuchs thx everyboby!
[23:02] <Fuchs> You're welcome as well :)
[23:02] <newlife> proud t be in!
[23:02] <newlife> :)
[23:04] <Unit193> newlife: Congrats!
[23:04] <newlife> yeah thx so much Unit193 :)
[23:05] <Myrtti> newlife: congrats from mee too!
[23:06] <newlife> ouhhh.... thx so much Myrtti :)
[23:06] <newlife> Italy here and the new day has come......... so..... i've to go..... thx everybody! thx a lot!
[23:06] <newlife> :)
[23:11] <Fuchs> good night :)
[23:11] <newlife> thx


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[09:24] <caribou> This upload ^^ is meant to fix the FTBS which is holding -ubuntu0.4 in trusty-proposed. Anything that needs to be done to the 0.4 or the new upload will just override it ?
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[16:15] <nacc> i wonder if i could get some AA help to remove two src packages from zesty? LP: #1667834 to remove src:php7.1 and LP: #1666566 to remove src:postgresql-9.6. Both are transitions we will pursue in z+1, but we don't want the former to confuse users and we don't want the latter to block transitions.
[16:16] <jbicha> nacc: wouldn't it be easier to just finish the pg 9.6 transition?
[16:17] <nacc> jbicha: no, it hasn't started yet
[16:17] <nacc> jbicha: it's 100x easier to remove it :) already discussed with pitti as well
[16:17] <jbicha> nacc: actually, it's almost done
[16:18] <jbicha> if you look at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/zesty/update_excuses.html
[16:18] <jbicha> postgresql-plproxy's autopkgtests should be ignored since they almost always fail
[16:18] <nacc> jbicha: not in the ubuntu packages afaict
[16:18] <nacc> jbicha: we have to rebuild a number of packages
[16:18] <nacc> jbicha: to pick up new deps
[16:18] <nacc> e.g., libpq5 -> libpq6
[16:19] <mapreri> considering debian stretch has pg 9.6 it seems weird to me that zesty still keeps 9.5
[16:19] <nacc> mapreri: time and a transition of maintainership in Ubuntu
[16:19] <mapreri> nacc: "transition of maintainership"?
[16:20] <nacc> mapreri: pitti was doing the work, now cpaelzer and I are
[16:20] <mapreri> ok, but still…
[16:20] <jbicha> the only 2 pkgs that need more investigation are the autopkgtests for postgresql-filedump and postgresql-multicorn
[16:20] <jbicha> all the pg9.6 rebuilds were done several weeks ago
[16:20] <mapreri> and rebuilding packages is not so time-expensive.
[16:21] <nacc> jbicha: `reverse-depends src:postgresql-9.5` implies otehrwise
[16:21] <nacc> mapreri: look, i'm not arguing about it. If you want to do it, do it.
[16:21] <jbicha> nacc: I think that sees all the stuff in zesty release too
[16:21] <jbicha> if you look at excuses you'll see that there are a lot of packages in zesty that have already been rebuilt
[16:22] <jbicha> and if you look at https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/zesty/update_output_notest.txt
[16:22] <jbicha> you'll see that pg9.6 is ready for transition once the few autopkgtests are taken care of
[16:22] <nacc> jbicha: yes, but we also want to transition pg9.5 out
[16:23] <nacc> jbicha: which takes time
[16:23] <jbicha> (look for apparently successful"
[16:24] <cpaelzer> and extra "benefit" less active versions in the field to maintain
[16:24] <nacc> jbicha: e.g, quick glance shows zabbix-proxy-pgsql is dependent on pg9.5
[16:24] <nacc> jbicha: it just means more work, to verify they all get fixed/work
[16:25] <jbicha> I did most of those rebuilds
[16:25] <cpaelzer> nacc: we might forward the mail that we had with pitti to ubuntu-release ML if that would help to provide some reasoning
[16:25] <jbicha> it looks to me like it'll be more work to try to undo the transition when it's what 90+% done
[16:25] <nacc> jbicha: why? it's not publisehd yet
[16:25] <nacc> jbicha: in the release pocket
[16:26] <nacc> jbicha: so nothing can have migrated in that depends explicilty on postgresql-9.6
[16:26] <jbicha> nacc: while I advise against it, there are people that run zesty-proposed before release
[16:26] <nacc> afaik, that's not something that needs to be supported
[16:26] <nacc> inasmuch as it's a known-broken world
[16:27] <nacc> things can get removed from z-p, and changed, etc.
[16:29] <jbicha> I'm frustrated because I spent time doing the rebuilds and rerunning autopkgtests to get it down to maybe 3 autopkgtests that need to be ignored
[16:30] <nacc> jbicha: but why aren't they ignored yet, then?
[16:30] <jbicha> after talking with pitti in December
[16:30] <nacc> jbicha: i'm sorry, pitti didn't mention it at all to us
[16:31] <cpaelzer> yeah sorry++ ^^
[16:31] <nacc> jbicha: if you're going to vouch for the ignoring of the postgresql-plproxy tests, please update that bug (I think) with that comment
[16:31] <jbicha> pitti seemed to want to stay with 9.5 for zesty but autosync or whatever was causing problems so 9.6 was let on in
[16:31] <nacc> cpaelzer: presuming the above --^, are you ok with the transition? it's late, but it's already in z-p, might just flow through
[16:32] <cpaelzer> nacc: if we both can at least dedicate 1-2 days this week to make sure it does - I'm ok
[16:32] <nacc> cpaelzer: yeah, i have the cycles, at least
[16:32] <jbicha> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/postgresql-plproxy/zesty/amd64
[16:32] <cpaelzer> I can shuffle around things this week, but very likely are locked up next 2
[16:32] <nacc> cpaelzer: and once it does, i can start working on removing src:postgresql-9.5
[16:33] <jbicha> I don't know about the other 2 pkgs though, postgresql-filedump and postgresql-multicorn
[16:33] <nacc> jbicha: i'm not the one to convince :/
[16:33] <nacc> jbicha: you need to get the release team to ignore it, afaict
[16:34] <nacc> jbicha: this is the error?
[16:34] <nacc> Error: port 5432 is already used by cluster 9.6/main
[16:34] <nacc> BUG: Cluster 9.6/regress was not created by me (PGSYSCONFDIR=/etc/postgresql-common, PG_CLUSTER_CONF_ROOT=)
[16:35] <nacc> https://ci.debian.net/packages/p/postgresql-plproxy/unstable/amd64/
[16:35] <nacc> would be good to fix deiban
[16:35] <nacc> *debian
[16:36] <jbicha> nacc: that was already broken with 9.5 on yakkety: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/postgresql-plproxy/yakkety/amd64
[16:36] <jbicha> good to fix but not a new regression
[16:37] <nacc> never said it was -- just feels like it's not something we should just ignore, if we can fix it
[16:37] <nacc> i would much rather be sure we aren't breaking plproxy
[16:37] <cpaelzer> nacc: since I can't predict how far you get today, would you EOD your day leving me a breadcrumb mail where to take over analyzing tests or whatever?
[16:37] <nacc> cpaelzer: ack
[16:38] <cpaelzer> nacc: and I'd like to track somewhere - should we refurbish the bug to drop to the "kill remaining blockers"
[16:38] <nacc> cpaelzer: yeah, i'll update that bug regardless
[16:38] <cpaelzer> starting with jbicha stating why we won't drop but go on as discussed before
[16:40] <nacc> sbeattie: do we want to transition src:mariadb-10.0 out eventually? is someone working on that / bug filed? it seems like it's revdeps are all to the metapackages (and are none versioned)?
[16:50] <powersj> slangasek: can I get you (or tell me who should) review: https://code.launchpad.net/~powersj/ubuntu-cdimage/server-size-limit/+merge/317648
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[16:51] <Laney> Looks to me like postgresql-filedump is putting files in 9.5/ and not 9.6/ which is breaking things
[16:52] <Laney> I should think a no-change rebuild will fix that one
[16:53] <slangasek> powersj: laney, infinity, sil2100 are also good for a merge review on this kind of thing; but I can look at this
[16:53] <slangasek> powersj: you intend to retroactively raise the limit for all LTS series, correct?
[16:54] <powersj> slangasek: yes
[16:55] <jbicha> ok, I'll try a rebuild of postgresql-filedump
[16:55] <slangasek> powersj: ok.  FWIW I'm going to move this up under one of the other cases that are already sized to 2^30, for legibility
[16:55] <powersj> slangasek: ok
[16:56] <powersj> thanks for looking at it
[16:58] <nacc> Laney: good catch
[16:58] <slangasek> powersj: one thing I will note is that by raising the limit for all releases, if the image does grow in the development series, you won't get any early warning if it gets big enough that a point release w/ hwe kernel is going to put it over the new limit
[16:58] <slangasek> powersj: but that's not a reason for me not to merge this, just something for you to think about
[16:58] <Laney> nacc: the other ones look more difficult ;-)
[16:59] <Laney> but "oh they've failed for a while, let's skip them" doesn't leave me with a good feeling
[16:59] <Laney> in general I'd like to see some analysis
[16:59] <nacc> Laney: right, i'm importing plproxy to try and fix it
[16:59] <Laney> even if that's "this is clearly not a problem due to X Y and Z"
[16:59] <Laney> something more than "that's a lot of red crosses, must just be a crappy test"
[16:59] <Laney> :)
[17:00] <nacc> Laney: ack, I think I will use the removal bug to help track the various affected pacakges
[17:00] <powersj> slangasek: I agree, however the daily email telling me is something that is no getting ignored as no action can be done. I do think monitoring the dev release somehow makes sense so we don't get into panic mode.
[17:00] <nacc> jbicha: looks like multicorn's regression is from sqlalchemy
[17:00] <Laney> nacc: ack, thanks!
[17:00] <infinity> slangasek: I think that could do with a dist comparison to <= xenial, for that very reason.
[17:01] <infinity> slangasek: If 18.04 needs to grow for the release version, we can examine that at the time, but if it only needs to grow for the point release, the knob to twiddle at the time is obvious.
[17:02] <infinity> If we let server goldfish to 1G, then the 18.04 point release (if we continue this dual-stack thing) will obviously be >> 1G, which is less than ideal.
[17:03] <powersj> slangasek: if you want to tell me where to move those lines I can resubmit with the dist check. infinity proposal makes sense and solves the problem.
[17:06] <slangasek> powersj: I would just do something like lines 1723-1726, but fall through all the way to line 1780 for the devel series case
[17:07] <powersj> slangasek: ok will make change
[17:10] <powersj> slangasek: care if I limit it only to xenial then (e.g. == xenial)?
[17:11] <slangasek> powersj: fine with me, I can argue myself into thinking either way is correct
[17:14] <powersj> slangasek: updated
[17:17] <slangasek> powersj: I think I'm going to get a linting error for the length of the line (yep!) - ./run-tests is the pre-commit test suite; I'll fix up here and commit
[17:19] <powersj> slangasek: doh... sorry
[17:19] <slangasek> powersj: no worries - merged
[17:19] <powersj> slangasek, infinity thanks again
[17:22] <infinity> rbasak: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2017-February/002284.html
[17:23] <infinity> rbasak: ^-- You can't manipulate the NEW queue without ~ubuntu-archive, so the question is somewhat moot.
[17:23] <rbasak> infinity: ah. Some people thought we could when for a stable release.
[17:23] <rbasak> But yeah. If we can't, then it's moot.
[17:23] <infinity> You definitely can't.
[17:23] <rbasak> I asked the question because it felt like we were being bogged down by talking about it instead of JFDI.
[17:24] <infinity> You can certainly review, say "yeah, this is a straight backport that doesn't require AA review, please accept" and turn one of us into a monkey.  But then we still have to trust you know how debdiff works.
[17:24] <jbicha> but there are SRU Team members of ~ubuntu-archive who felt they couldn't process new packages because they weren't full AAs
[17:24] <infinity> (We probably trust that)
[17:24] <slangasek> infinity, rbasak: procedurally, my position is that I'm happy for any member of the SRU team to do the actual review and use me as an AA button pusher to accept
[17:25] <Laney> I think you can
[17:25] <apw> it seems reasonable to make recomendations.
[17:25] <infinity> jbicha: Yes, there are some who are AAs only for broken permissions reasons (mostly kernel updates).
[17:25] <Laney> I think I tried this once when sitting with apw
[17:25] <Laney> As ~ubuntu-release admittedly
[17:26] <rbasak> infinity: it would still probably be useful to state "~ubuntu-archive still needs to push the button due to the technicality, but in principle yes"
[17:26] <rbasak> Because then any ~ubuntu-archive then knows how to respond to a request.
[17:27] <infinity> rbasak: Well, to be fair, it's less about policy and more about personal trust.  Much like I'd sign your GPG key without a passport because I know you, that's not a policy everyone will have. :P
[17:28] <rbasak> OK that's fair.
[17:28] <infinity> rbasak: The technicality is there for a reason.  NEW *should* have a review.  But in practice, most AAs should trust that the SRU member in question isn't a derp and isn't lying about their review.
[17:30] <apw> as we should never have them, i like the second set of eyes that implies
[17:30]  * rbasak notes that infinity doesn't appear to have signed his key :-)
[17:30]  * tsimonq2 -> moves here
[17:31] <tsimonq2> infinity: I think I might want to stand my ground on not installing recommends for now, it's part of what makes Lubuntu lightweight, but I'm open to change if you have some stats for me to look at. ;)
[17:32] <infinity> tsimonq2: It wasn't done to be "lightweight", it was done because of accidentally pulling in half of ubuntu or GNOME, if I recall. :P
[17:32] <infinity> tsimonq2: MATE had the same issues, but managed to fix it in packages (sadly, after xenial, but better late than never)
[17:33] <tsimonq2> infinity (cc flexiondotorg): I would be interested to see how MATE fixed this issue.
[17:33] <slangasek> yes, I would expect any new package going into a stable release to be reviewed against the standard of "is this package already in devel? if not why not? are there deltas from the devel version? if so, why?"
[17:33] <tsimonq2> infinity: Also, why is it painful for us to do this?
[17:34] <tsimonq2> infinity: Does it cause some unnecessary overhead for you archive folks?
[17:34] <slangasek> tsimonq2: because the set of things that are included in recommends down the stack from you is quite extensive
[17:34]  * Laney is uploading a package to NEW to test if he can reject it
[17:34] <infinity> tsimonq2: There's a bunch of special-casing in image build infra and such for no-follow-recommends, and it kinda sometimes works, and kinda sometimes doesn't.
[17:34] <slangasek> that too
[17:35] <slangasek> both infra overhead, and the unexpected behavior
[17:35] <infinity> Plus, I sometimes have to fix bugs in lubuntu found because we add a recommends that you *don't* pick up, but really should.
[17:35] <infinity> (The obvious one I can think of is thermald)
[17:35] <tsimonq2> infinity: That makes sense.
[17:36] <infinity> But I think you also recently saw pain because of xorg-input-synaptics.
[17:36] <infinity> Same reason.
[17:36] <tsimonq2> And I can see why it was done in the first place too, but like I said, I'm open to change. :)
[17:36] <infinity> Recommends was meant to make sure it was on installation media, but not *required* post-install, no-follow-recommends breaks that assumption.
[17:37] <wxl> historically, we've had issues trying to keep the installs cd sized but i think we can all agree we've given up on that one :)
[17:37] <tsimonq2> infinity, slangasek: Any way we could do some sort of testing with removing no-follow-recommends? I'd like to look into the stats on that and see if it's worth doing.
[17:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: Pretty much. ;)
[17:38] <infinity> tsimonq2: I can help you do that in a PPA with some special builds next week.
[17:38] <infinity> tsimonq2: THough a first step would be to remove it from a local branch of your seeds, update your meta against that local branch, and see how scary the result is.
[17:39] <infinity> tsimonq2: The first pass will be... Rough.  You'll probably end up with half of unity and half of GNOME, and all of it will be redundant stuff you don't want. :P
[17:39] <Laney> Yeah, I rejected it from zesty NEW and it worked
[17:39] <tsimonq2> infinity: So then I go through and blacklist everything? XD
[17:40] <tsimonq2> infinity: No, but seriously, from there, I just blacklist some of the super high level things?
[17:40] <infinity> tsimonq2: No.  Then you start proposing fixes to packaging, ie: when something needs indicator-whosit, you might need to add some alternate deps, etc.  flexiondotorg might have helpful pointers there, but no point asking him until you have an idea of the damage.
[17:40] <tsimonq2> infinity: Ok, I see.
[17:41] <infinity> tsimonq2: Anyhow, the ongoing pain of no-follow-recommends is something I've lived with for years, so if you don't fix it until AFTER LXQt is a thing, that's fine by me.
[17:41] <infinity> tsimonq2: But I figure if you're tearing out 200 packages and replacing them with 200 different ones, that's an ideal time to also look at conforming with how other flavours do things.
[17:42] <infinity> tsimonq2: Wasting time fixing something that's going to be removed from the archive in 6 months is, well, wasting time.
[17:43] <tsimonq2> infinity: Alright, that makes sense. I'll think about it, and I'll want to involve lubuntu-devel etc. for sure once I have some stats to work with.
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[17:47] <tsimonq2> infinity: About LXQt... at the moment I have a little tiny Launchpad team with a few PPAs and some hacky tooling on a VPS that makes some images. I plan on working on Lubuntu Next more, but is there something we can set up that will get Lubuntu Next images enabling those PPAs in the tooling with the rest of the flavors and the rest of our images? The problem right now is, I need to work on some va
[17:47] <tsimonq2> rious packages to get some major work done on these packages and test some things, but I don't like piling things up for patch pilots to the point of insanity, and I want to test things fairly quick.
[17:48] <tsimonq2> s/some various/some/
[17:53] <infinity> tsimonq2: We can make the images build using a PPA, yes.
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[17:57] <tsimonq2> infinity: Is there something I need to propose a PR against, or can I just tell you what PPA?
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[17:58] <infinity> tsimonq2: We can just change the definition of the lubuntu-next livefs, or mangle it in crontab, but maybe ask me again in a few days when I have time to help you test that it's working after making the change?
[18:00] <tsimonq2> infinity: Sure, when are you available?
[18:04] <infinity> tsimonq2: Likely later this week.  Just not today. :P
[18:06] <tsimonq2> infinity: I'm available pretty much all tomorrow except for the early afternoon... :P
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[20:16] <slangasek> I wonder if I'm the only one who cares that sha256sum should be able to spawn multiple threads in order to checksum files in parallel
[20:22] <tsimonq2> slangasek: That could be useful ;)
[20:51] <xnox> slangasek, yes
[20:51] <slangasek> xnox: yes I'm the only one or yes you'd find it useful? :)
[20:51] <xnox> i do use gnu parallel with checksums
[20:51] <tsimonq2> xnox: But why not bake it in? :P
[20:52] <xnox> but the output is ugly; as it effectively results in loads of not found and one correct message per spawn.
[20:52] <xnox> slangasek, yes
[20:52] <infinity> Surely most sha256sum calls are I/O bound, not CPU bound.
[20:52] <infinity> Well, at least where I care about speed (*cough* nusakan's SAN *cough*)
[20:52] <xnox> infinity, asyncio for the win; my NMVe drive has multiple I/O queues one can use
[20:53] <tsimonq2> infinity: What if you're doing a whole load of them, and you're verifying like 2000 files?
[20:53] <tsimonq2> I wouldn't be surprised if slangasek hits that usecase.
[20:53] <tsimonq2> (not like I know much about the internals of sha256sum :P)
[20:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (yakkety-proposed) [20101020ubuntu483.2]
[20:54] <slangasek> xnox: right, so a 'sha256sum -j' that can launch a suitable number of threads
[20:55] <tsimonq2> xnox: But that doesn't work on HFS, does it? I thought that old Mac filesystem can only read OR write one file at a time? :P
[20:55] <slangasek> and collate the results
[20:55] <tsimonq2> slangasek: So are you making that a thing? Then figuring out a way to make it work on HFS? XD
[20:56] <slangasek> tsimonq2: I don't care at all about HFS, and I'm not committing to working on this, just gathering feedback to figure out if it might be worth it
[20:56] <slangasek> right now I'm doing a number of local image builds, where the checksumming is a noticeable percentage of the build time
[20:56] <tsimonq2> slangasek: And I was joking (:P), but in all seriousness, I think it's a good idea to make things parallel that aren't already.
[20:57] <tsimonq2> infinity: What's the story behind Nusakan's SAN?
[20:58] <tsimonq2> (Nukasansan? Nuka sansan? :P)
[20:58] <xnox> imho trivial parallesation like that should be the default and out of the box, even if it results higher total cpu time usage
[20:59] <xnox> e.g. git and cmake do that
[20:59] <infinity> Even if it results in higher real time as well, due to disk thrash?
[20:59] <xnox> i'd even go for that.
[20:59] <slangasek> xnox: if it's by default, then you should have a flag to disable it?
[20:59] <xnox> sure.
[20:59] <slangasek> I'd still rather make it opt-in with -j
[21:00] <xnox> slangasek, how many times have you disabled git parallelism?
[21:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (trusty-proposed) [20101020ubuntu318.42]
[21:00]  * xnox did it once server side, because it would hit OOM kill since it used to much RAM for repacking
[21:00] <infinity> My git usage doesn't grind my machine for three hours like I did to nusakan a couple of weeks ago with hashing.
[21:01] <infinity> And in cases where it can (ie: dists snapshots on snakefruit), we absolutely tweak it to cope.
[21:01] <slangasek> xnox: never, but my CPU thread to disk ratio is different than others'
[21:02] <xnox> imho nusakan case - one should be tweaking it from -j4 -> -j0; or from -j0 -> -j4 anyway
[21:02] <xnox> the sensible default imho i think should be optimised for the most likely case of nvme/ssd disks; and my current hypothesis is that parallel by default will win wall clock time most of the time.
[21:03] <tsimonq2> slangasek> I'd still rather make it opt-in with -j - +1 fwiw
[21:03] <infinity> Sure, but I would contend that the "normal" use-case for hashing multiple files will be slower, wall-clock-wise, in parallel than serial.
[21:03] <xnox> ack
[21:03] <jgrimm> slangasek, the current draft for Curtin SRU Exception is at -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CurtinUpdates
[21:03] <infinity> xnox: I don't think nvme/ssd is the "most likely case" for hashing large sets of files, that's where we disagree. ;)
[21:04] <xnox> infinity, wouldn't in-sync RAID1 have faster read speed too? cause it's meant to balance and be able to read files off either drives?
[21:04] <tsimonq2> I think I have to agree with infinity, I'm still on a 1 TB HDD :P
[21:05] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, but it does it in chunks, not per-file, so if you assume a reasonably unfragmented FS, you're still going to lose to thrash if you pull stripes from both disks for two files at once.
[21:05] <xnox> =(
[21:05] <xnox> FAKE NEWS
[21:05] <infinity> Hahaha.
[21:05]  * xnox giggles
[21:07] <infinity> And anything involving a network (a SAN, nbd, nfs, any number of network-backed VM storage solutions) will lose horribly when you try to stream multiple files at once.
[21:07] <xnox> which is all of cloud
[21:07]  * tsimonq2 thinks Juju something or other
[21:07] <infinity> Usually a non-issue for small files, which is why git's default parallelism is generally okay, but thrashing between several large files hurts.
[21:08] <slangasek> so arguably, a good implementation would have a parent process that streams the files from disk one chunk at a time, then dispatches to a set of worker threads
[21:08] <infinity> It might also just have arbitrary cutoffs for parallelism based on size of target files.
[21:09] <xnox> slangasek, do we still pointlessly produce SHA1 checksums?!
[21:09] <infinity> If you can slurp down 20 files quickly and then munch on them, you win, if you're abusing your I/O with 4 1G ISOs, you lose.
[21:10] <slangasek> xnox: in some places, probably.
[21:10] <xnox> nice that one can slurp a chunk and feed it to multiple checksum algos simultaniously; cause i guess we still need to produce multiple checksums
[21:10] <xnox> http://unix.stackexchange.com/a/163797
[21:11] <xnox> cause i guess not reading everything 3 times over; beats anything
[21:12] <infinity> Yes, reading each stream only once would be a greater win.  Especially if one can spit out md5/sha1/sha256/sha512 in parallel.
[21:12] <infinity> And that would definitely keep your CPU cores busy.
[21:13] <xnox> should be easy enough to write with python3 and hashlib
[21:13] <xnox> and include sha3 as well
[21:13] <infinity> That sort of happens naturally (ish) if you do one file at a time, but only if you have enough RAM to keep the cache hot.
[21:14] <infinity> (Well, not the parallel bit, but the "read once" bit)
[21:14] <infinity> But yeah, operating on the single read with multiple hashes would be nice.
[21:14] <infinity> We could also stop producing some of those hashes.
[21:15] <xnox> so where is this supposed to happen? on nousakan? launchpad livebuilders? somewhere else?
[21:15] <xnox> cdimage code?
[21:15] <infinity> But I don't want to do that without being able to give clear instructions to users of all OSes on how to validate better hashes.
[21:17] <tsimonq2> Grrrrr, we've had a new sbuild in zesty-proposed for a while now, but I think it requires a new dpkg to pass through...
[21:17] <tsimonq2> And the only justification to having a new dpkg is to have a new sbuild.
[21:17] <tsimonq2> I don't think an FFe is justified, is it? :/
[21:17] <slangasek> xnox, infinity: the bit that's prompting me to look at it right now is entirely in livefs builds, nothing to do with nusakan
[21:18] <slangasek> but obviously we create checksums there also
[21:18] <infinity> tsimonq2: Filing an FFe for dpkg would get you nowhere, as I wouldn't let you upload it. :P
[21:19] <tsimonq2> infinity: Why not? :P
[21:19] <tsimonq2> infinity: And what's a solution to this problem then?
[21:19] <infinity> tsimonq2: "Not worrying about it" would be a solution.
[21:19] <infinity> Is the new sbuild somehow necessary?
[21:20]  * tsimonq2 searches for conversations with lisandro about new sbuild fixes this one annoying bug...
[21:20] <infinity> (I'm looking at some dpkg cherry-picks this week, and perhaps that might allow me to relax the sbuild dependency, but if not, meh?)
[21:21] <tsimonq2> infinity: tl;dr: lisandro> but sbuild -sd should not try to install B-D-I
[21:22] <tsimonq2> infinity: Basically I was trying to build qtxmlpatterns-opensource-src 5.8.0 for Experimental on sbuild on my Zesty system, but I kept getting a stupid dep loop.
[21:23] <tsimonq2> infinity: He told me to install Debian because they have a newer sbuild, I told him no. :P
[21:23] <infinity> Or don't use sbuild to build your source package.
[21:23] <tsimonq2> But it's the only thing I know how to use... :P
[21:23] <infinity> To build your *source* package?
[21:24] <infinity> I can count the number of times I needed a clean chroot to build a source package on one hand.
[21:24] <infinity> (Obviously, I use sbuild to build binaries)
[21:24] <tsimonq2> If you can't do anything, then *shrug* but expect a bug report as soon as Zesty+1 opens for development ;)
[21:24] <tsimonq2> infinity: Binaries
[21:24] <wxl> tsimonq2: it's called [y
[21:24] <infinity> tsimonq2: But "-s" builds a source package.
[21:25] <tsimonq2> infinity: Ok so then yeah, I obviously need to talk to lisandro and re-look at this one more time, I can read manpages /o\
[21:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: Hm?
[21:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: php7.0 (xenial-proposed/main) [7.0.15-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 7.0.15-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[21:27] <tsimonq2> wxl: ^ why is php7.0 in the Kubuntu packageset? :P
[21:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: the next character in ascii after z is [
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: php7.0 (yakkety-proposed/main) [7.0.15-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 7.0.15-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[21:27] <wxl> tsimonq2: and regarding php, don't ask me!
[21:28] <nacc> mdeslaur: --^ fyi uploaded the fix, you'll want to take that into security too, i believe
[21:28] <mdeslaur> thanks nacc
[21:28] <wxl> oops i'm wrong. it's {
[21:28] <tsimonq2> infinity: Apologies
[21:28] <tsimonq2> wxl: Hahahahahahaha
[21:28] <wxl> [ is the next after *Z* not *z*
[21:32] <xnox> {
[21:33] <xnox> ascii is weird
[21:33] <tsimonq2> wxl, xnox: Let's write a whole DE in Brainf*** :P
[21:34] <xnox> brainf*** is too high level; it should run directly on z/VM CMS
[21:35] <tsimonq2> xnox: Hah :P
[21:44] <nacc> jbicha: finally figured out a working setup
[21:44] <nacc> jbicha: it was a half-baked change by Debian
[22:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cifs-utils (yakkety-proposed/main) [2:6.5-2ubuntu1 => 2:6.5-2ubuntu2] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[22:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cifs-utils (xenial-proposed/main) [2:6.4-1ubuntu1 => 2:6.4-1ubuntu1.1] (desktop-core, ubuntu-server)
[23:00] <bdmurray> Do any SRU team members have an opinion on adding uploader to the pending-sru report? It occurred to me I might not remember what I sponsored / uploaded and could / should verify.
[23:13] <rbasak> Sounds reasonable.
[23:29] <apw> bdmurray: sounds useful for poking people to verifh
[23:40] <RAOF> Trevinho: It would be helpful if you left a comment as to what exactly you tested when marking bugs as verification-done, *particularly* when there are multiple packages being verified on the bug.
[23:51] <Trevinho> RAOF: well... I've just redone what it's in the SRU test case in a clean install + proposed... For all the packages..
[23:51] <RAOF> ...and if you'd said that in a comment when you flipped it to verification-done, I wouldn't have pinged you :)
[23:52] <Trevinho> RAOF: true... But I thought it was quite the norm :-)
[23:52] <Trevinho> RAOF: but thanks for asking anyway
[23:53] <RAOF> Hm, no? People usually say what/how they tested when marking verification-done.
[23:53] <RAOF> And I usually ask if they didn't. :)


[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[13:58] <samirubuntu> Bonjour
[14:00] <mhall119> we'll be starting soon
[14:01] <mhall119> waiting for everyone who can join to get here :)
[14:04] <sil2100> o/
[14:06] <justCarakas> QUESTION when will the meizu phone ship ?
[14:06] <mhall119> ^^ you can ask questions here just like he did
[14:08] <ISSAMo> hi
[14:10] <mhall119> get your questions in early, if you wait until we're done with all of our updates there might not be time to answer yours
[14:10] <mhall119> start them with the word QUESTION in all caps just like that
[14:11] <nanek> [QUESTION] As I remember it was not possible to try Ubuntu Next on VirtualBox. Is anything changed, or it will be changed for VirtualBox testing?
[14:12] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Are there plans to allow media to be viewed within scopes instead of opening another application to view?
[14:14] <Knightmare> QUESTION: When can we expect to see OS integration between UT platforms? (phone, tablet, desktop)
[14:23] <mhall119> popey: one-ups us again sil2100
[14:24] <sil2100> Next time I need to prepare something like this as well, too bad it's a bit harder in my case ;)
[14:25] <nanek> [QUESTION] I saw on YouTube videos that opening of apps is a bit slow, why?
[14:28] <Knightmare> QUESTION: How much of current UT build relies on Android technology?
[14:28] <sil2100> nanek: do you know what image it was? First run might be a little bit slower, but consecutive opening should be relatively nice due to QML-caching that's implamented
[14:28] <sil2100> s/implamented/implemented
[14:32] <justCarakas> QUESTION, I saw you edited uupc recently, when will the new episodes arrive
[14:34] <justCarakas> QUESTION is dekko preinstalled ?
[14:34] <justCarakas> and if not shoudln't it be
[14:36] <justCarakas> QUESTION will there be like a guesture tutorial for dekko
[14:38] <davmor2> popey: you say QA like it's a bad thing, it's not my fault I broke it, it's what I do ;)
[14:39] <BOHverkill> QUESTION is there an OpenPGP integration in dekko and if not is it planned?
[14:40] <brogrammer> Question: Can I run every Ubuntu (Desktop) application on Ubuntu Touch?
[14:40] <justCarakas> bummer, got a meeting now
[14:40] <nanek> Thanks for answers :D
[14:40] <popey> davmor2: heh
[14:42] <sfaafasfsa> Hello everyone
[14:42] <sfaafasfsa> Anybody know anything about avaibility of MX4 with ubuntu touch? When did they start selling that phone?
[14:43] <mhall119> please start questions with QUESTION in all caps
[14:44] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Will full disk encryption be coming to UT in the future?
[14:44] <sfaafasfsa> QUESTION: Anybody know anything about avaibility of MX4 with ubuntu touch? When did they start selling that phone?
[14:45] <Knightmare> QUESTION: Considering the relationships Canonical has with business partners. Will there be a push in the future for UT phones in the enterprise?
[14:49] <BOHverkill> nice thx for answering
[14:51] <Knightmare> fair enough
[14:54] <sil2100> o/
[14:54] <sil2100> Whoops
[14:54] <sil2100> ;)
[14:55] <Knightmare> :D
[15:53] <HG> Hello, HG here, I have a touch mini latop, and I was wondering when the SCOPES and more functionaly will be available on ubuntu. Thank you :)
[16:07] <HG> does phablet-tools work on regular ubuntu 64 to enable more functionality on a dell touch?
[16:38] <HG> QUESTION
[16:38] <HG> can we add  phablet-tools to ubuntu ?
[16:38] <HG> will it work?
[16:39] <hammerron> Question: Will Ubuntu MATE become an "official flavor"
[16:44] <PaulW2U> hammerron: The session ended some time ago. Are you watching via YouTube?
[16:46] <PaulW2U> Ubuntu MATE are probably already are an official flavour but I haven't seen an *official* announcement to say so.


[02:19] <Lhademmo1> Notice: There's something weird on https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html#video-dvd : It says to ,among other things, install libdvdplay0, but the package doesn't exist in any of the official repos...?
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163520 in ubuntu-doc "libdvdplay0 recommended but not in repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163520