[00:00] <bluefoxx> so how long until hardy goes official?
[00:00] <jchase> the wiki page still shows april 24th?
[00:01] <linkinxp> yea
[00:01] <linkinxp> 23 days more
[00:01] <jchase> ooh, suweeet
[00:01] <jchase> the title says there is a 3 motnh delay?
[00:01] <jimiridge> to change acpi/suspend/resume things double check /etc/acpi/
[00:02] <pagan0ne> linkinxp sorry went afk door, yeah tried that
[00:02] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  its ok
[00:02] <linkinxp> it worked for me
[00:02] <hydrogen> yep jchase, it will be
[00:02] <hydrogen> figure it makes sense to push the entire cycle back three months in order to be more in tune with other release cycles
[00:03] <seiflotfy> hi guys
[00:03] <seiflotfy> small prblem here
[00:03] <linkinxp> hi
[00:03] <jimiridge> like add a script int /etc/acpi/resume.d/wifi   that rmmod's your wifi kmod and remodprobes it
[00:03] <seiflotfy> somehow firefox doesnt know what to open pdf files here
[00:03] <jchase> hydrgen: it wil be delayed? the lts release?
[00:03] <pagan0ne> linkinxp i think the problem it grub is looking in the wrong partition to find whatever file its looking for, not sure as i dont know much about grub, i never had to tinker with it on gutsy or fristy
[00:03] <seiflotfy> and there is nothing under open with
[00:03] <seiflotfy> that goes for almost everything
[00:03] <seiflotfy> even videos and txt files
[00:03] <seiflotfy> even archiver doesnt know what to do
[00:04] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  but grub install in the partition that has ubuntu so if u erase it! it wont load anymore until u install it again ( ubuntu)
[00:04] <jimiridge> signal to noise ratio sux
[00:05] <pagan0ne> linkinxp doesnt grub boot off the bootblock, and then load the kernel from the correct partition to bring the system up?
[00:05] <pagan0ne> linkinxp i already reinstalled grub when hardy installed, it should i would think configure itself correctly?
[00:06] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  im not sure thats why my best answer will be just to erase that partition and create it again trough the ubuntu installation
[00:07] <_ke> Simos Xenitellis around?
[00:07] <seiflotfy> guys somehow archivr doesnt know what to open stuff with
[00:07] <seiflotfy> neither does firefox
[00:07] <pagan0ne> linkinxp hehe tried that like i said, still no go, think its a bug with sata and the beta of hardy
[00:07] <linkinxp> i have a sata and hardy
[00:07] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  in a laptop inspiron 1525 and it did it
[00:08] <bluefoxx> pagan0ne: SATA troubles?
[00:08] <pagan0ne> bluefoxx yeah
[00:08] <pagan0ne> linkinxp this is a custom built desktop
[00:08] <bluefoxx> pagan0ne: you overclocking at all>?
[00:08] <linkinxp> pagan0ne:  maybe thats the key
[00:09] <pagan0ne> bluefoxx not currently, maby in the future
[00:09] <bluefoxx> pagan0ne: ah. overclocking could cause the sata bus to be faulty
[00:10] <bluefoxx> it happened to me
[00:10] <linkinxp> anyone knows about a free viewer online?
[00:10] <pagan0ne> bluefoxx: really dont need to overclock this system right now ;)
[00:10] <pagan0ne> linkinxp maby once i get it watercooled
[00:10] <bluefoxx> i used to puch my 2.93 celeron to 3.75 and my sata was glitchy. downing it to a meek 3.27  fixed it now
[00:11] <bluefoxx> hehe, i wan water cooling
[00:11] <bluefoxx> but once i upgrade my nvidia
[00:11] <linkinxp> oc only get hardware dies quickly
[00:11] <pagan0ne> got 2 8800gtx's 2 500 gb sata drives, 4gb 4800 ddr2
[00:11] <linkinxp> :)
[00:11] <pagan0ne> on a 3.2 dual core amd 64\
[00:11] <linkinxp> no need of OC
[00:13] <pagan0ne> is there any way to get the livecd to rerun just the grub config part of it? or maby a more detailed advanced grub config menu?
[00:13] <jimiridge> chroot to your installed partition and install grub from there
[00:13] <pagan0ne> jimiridge how would i go about doing that?
[00:14] <jimiridge> read through the general gentoo docs  "mount /dev/drive /mnt/drive && mount -t proc proc /mnt/drive/proc/ && chroot /mnt/drive"
[00:14] <pagan0ne> mount /dev/sda1 to /mnt/linux and then chroot /mnt/linux ?
[00:14] <m13> i am trying to install amd64 livecd , but it gets stucked on importing documents and settings, which i didnt chose any to import. it is going like this for 10 min now, is that normal ?
[00:15] <jimiridge> then configure,run grub from the chroot
[00:15] <linkinxp> where u change cursors??
[00:15] <m13> i can open programs and work normaly on live cd, but installer seems stuck
[00:15] <linkinxp> i dont think its normal
[00:15] <bluefox|gaming> im going to take a wild guess and say it would be supremely stupid to plug in a hard disk controller board with no drive on it[my little sister asked XD]
[00:15] <jimiridge> lol and you were telling me i'm wrong about network init scripting m13
[00:16] <linkinxp> maybe the CD/DVD its bad?
[00:16] <Tuv0k> someone here said pulseaudio is not in xubuntu
[00:16] <Tuv0k> how wrong was that?
[00:16] <m13> jimiridge: lol, i installed alternate cd without problem and livecd just dont work
[00:16] <Tuv0k> its supposed to be enabled by default
[00:16] <Tuv0k> what gives?
[00:17] <teamcobra_> is there another command that will allow me to boot straight into a prompt at grub, other than init=/bin/sh ?
[00:17] <m13> jimiridge: and ididnt say u are wrong, i said that is not the way lol
[00:17] <teamcobra_> I've got it to accept most commands I pass now, but init=/bin/sh or bin/bash doesn't work
[00:18] <pagan0ne> jimiridge : chroot returns/; cannot run command /bin/basg : no such file or directory
[00:18] <hydrogen> don't typo?
[00:18] <jimiridge> hah
[00:18] <hydrogen> it helps.
[00:18] <jimiridge> go pray to your pagan gods nekid and they might help you
[00:19] <teamcobra_> this f#@#@ ldap config is referencing ldapi instead of ldap, preventing me from even logging in "in front of" (kvm-over-ip) the box... it hangs now after I input my user/pass
[00:20] <teamcobra_> all I need to do is get into a prompt and change the config and reboot
[00:20] <Tuv0k> !pulseaudio
[00:20] <ubotu> PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions
[00:20] <billisnice> anyone know how to solve totem's ubuntu 8.04 movie player "could not read from resource"?
[00:22] <bluefox|gaming> billisnice: check the device connections? make sure you have decoders/codecs?
[00:22] <m13> so, someone had similar expiriance on amd64 livecd freezing on install step 6/7 ?
[00:23] <billisnice> how do u get the codecs?  thanks
[00:23] <bluefox|gaming> im having trouble booting my other machine off of a scsi disk. p3@450, 768 ram, hangs at grub
[00:24] <bluefox|gaming> testing disk integrity now
[00:24] <m13> billisnice: apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[00:24] <pagan0ne> jimiridge got it chrooted, but now /dev/ is missing all my entries for my drives, there in the other root's /dev
[00:24] <ph8> hmm, anyone know how i can get a copy of mkinitrd?
[00:25] <dimitree> How to install libstdc++.so.5 ?
[00:25] <m13> ph8 , should be on CD ?
[00:25] <billisnice> i get this msg E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[00:25] <jimiridge> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[00:26] <r0bby> billisnice: make sure you dont have update manager or synaptic running
[00:26] <bluefox|gaming> try sudo or chown/chmod
[00:26] <r0bby> also apt-get needs to be run as root.
[00:26] <dimitree> How to install libstdc++.so.5 ? :)
[00:26] <r0bby> so like bluefox|gaming said -- do sudo apt-get
[00:26] <jimiridge> pagan0ne, sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/root/dev
[00:26] <jimiridge> :P
[00:27] <dimitree> apt-get cant find that file
[00:27] <ph8> m13: got mkinitramfs cheers
[00:27] <bluefox|gaming> im just glancing back at this window now and then, im labeling boot cds and troubleshooting my other machine, while hunting for a cheap 3 drop 68 pin scsi cable
[00:27] <m13> ph8 nps
[00:28] <r0bby> anybody have any luck w/ dual heads (using the configs tool) it's hell.
[00:28] <bluefox|gaming> r0bby: dual heads??...
[00:28] <hydrogen> I got dual head once
[00:28] <hydrogen> best night of my life
[00:28] <billisnice> i did  apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras and it did it thing,  does it install codecs automatically?
[00:28] <bluefox|gaming> hydrogen: ><
[00:28] <r0bby> dual monitors
[00:29] <bluefox|gaming> r0bby: oh, idk bout that. im hunting for a second one for my main as well[craigslist==win]
[00:29] <m13> which VGA u have r0bby ?
[00:31] <r0bby> Acer AL2016W 20" Wide Screen
[00:32] <m13> graphic card robby
[00:32] <bluefox|gaming> what happened to my "copy disk" option in the context menu for my cds/dvds? i need to make a usage copy of my new set of ubuntu cds they sent me!
[00:33] <bluefox|gaming> i dont want to have to wait for k3b to download as my connection is more or less dialup
[00:34] <m13> brasero ?
[00:35] <m13> bluefox|gaming: u have brasero ?
[00:35] <bluefox|gaming> brasero?
[00:35] <bluefox|gaming> wait
[00:35] <bluefox|gaming> m13: yes
[00:36] <m13> use that
[00:36] <r0bby> Intel onboard -- hold
[00:36] <r0bby>  Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[00:36] <m13> and u want use that for two monitors ?
[00:37] <r0bby> if possible -- laptops _DO_ have a VGA port :)
[00:37] <r0bby> it's gotta be possible
[00:37] <m13> cant help you there, but yes should be posible , at least to have same screen on both
[00:38] <r0bby> I just wanna be able to extend my screen to the left
[00:38] <r0bby> doubling screen real estate :)
[00:38] <linkinxp> how i keep my windows shared folders from being removed everytime i reboot from my desktop???
[00:38] <m13> i use two , but on nvidia, very easy to config
[00:39] <r0bby> :(
[00:39] <ph8> m13: Using mkinitramfs, if i want the equivalent of mkinitrd's --preload... do i just put the name of the thing in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules?
[00:40] <m13> ph8, sry dont understand :/
[00:40] <jimiridge> r0bby,
[00:40] <bluefox|gaming> hehe. i need to find a linux OS that can fit on a 100 meg full height hard disk[1989 anyone?]
[00:40] <ph8> anyone? please, in desperate need of help
[00:40] <jimiridge> i have that same graphics card and i just hoooked up a monitor to try it out and works fine
[00:41] <linkinxp> bluefox|gaming:  Damn Small Linux
[00:41] <jimiridge> i have cloned output now
[00:41] <hydrogen> bluefox|gaming: why?
[00:41] <bluefox|gaming> linkinxp: got that lol. im trying to find others
[00:41] <linkinxp> bluefox|gaming:  lol thats the smallest one that i know of
[00:41] <m13> puppylinux
[00:41] <linkinxp> :P
[00:41] <bluefox|gaming> hydrogen: cause i have a few laying around and wanna do sumething with them other than disassemble them
[00:42] <hydrogen> bluefox|gaming: why?
[00:42] <hydrogen> your going to be pulling your hair out and slamming your head against the wall after three minutes
[00:42] <jimiridge> just had to manually play with System>Screen Resolution and enable the vga out
[00:42] <hydrogen> and you'll be out a cd
[00:42] <jimiridge> Fn key doesnt do it... untill i make a script to do it
[00:43] <jimiridge> neato compiz
[00:43] <m13> whos bright idea was to put on ISO linux that weird things ?:(
[00:43] <m13> the TEST system without install have INSTALL ICON wich DONT work
[00:44] <m13> LOL?!?
[00:44] <xNULL> hello, I need some help. I just did an upgrade from gutsy to hardy heron, and after it upgraded & rebooted my pc, the font is SUPER tiny and I get a message saying It can't start GNOME Desktop settings.
[00:45] <bluefox|gaming> hydrogen: lol. theyre 50 pin scsi, tested OK
[00:45] <m13> bluefox|gaming: search for some firewall distribution or somthing, on 100MB u wont be able to do anything
[00:45] <xNULL> does anyone have any ideas?
[00:46] <m13> so, on liveCD prism54usb working, on alternate cd , prism54usb droping conection
[00:47] <AmyRose> Delayed by three months?
[00:47] <linkinxp> a good program for Webcams?
[00:49] <bluefox|gaming> linkinxp: camstream, cheese...search repos
[00:49] <linkinxp> ok :P
[00:50] <getthearm> anyone want to help me?
[00:51] <teamcobra_> getthearm, what's up
[00:51] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: what is it?
[00:51] <getthearm> my sound card has serious problems when i install virtual box
[00:51] <teamcobra> what kinds of problems?
[00:52] <getthearm> as soon as i restart, theres a red x thru the volume control int e tray and when i double click it says gstreamer could not find a device
[00:53] <getthearm> that is, i restart when i install virtual box and before i set it up
[00:53] <teamcobra> hrm, try reinstalling your kernel modules package
[00:53] <teamcobra> it seems like vbox's modules hosed your sound modules
[00:54] <getthearm> yeah i thought it might have been an issue with my groups
[00:54] <getthearm> how do i reinstall my kernel modules
[00:54] <r0bby> :(((
[00:57] <getthearm> sorry i am a retard
[00:57] <getthearm> i have reinstalled ubuntu like 30 times because my computer hates me
[00:57] <getthearm> but i love it, this sound card problem blows tho
[00:57] <getthearm> its like the only thing holding me back
[00:58] <m13> does it work without virtualbox ?
[00:58] <getthearm> yeah
[00:58] <getthearm> its as soon as i install virtualbox thru apt-get
[00:58] <getthearm> and then it tells me to restart
[00:58] <m13> so why u instaled 25 more times ? :)
[00:58] <getthearm> well it was compiz at first ;-P
[00:59] <getthearm> now its virtualbox haha
[00:59] <getthearm> i am a n00b
[00:59] <getthearm> you can tell because i used zeros instead of o's for noob
[00:59] <jeffd> What is the info about the 3 month delay?
[00:59] <m13> yesterday joke jeffd
[00:59] <jeffd> ok
[01:00] <getthearm> how do i resintall my kernel modules?
[01:01] <m13> getthearm: did u add modules for vbox to kernel ?
[01:01] <getthearm> i dunno, i followed the lifehacker tut on "seamless ubuntu and xp"
[01:01] <getthearm> i didnt do anything much with the command line
[01:02] <getthearm> http://lifehacker.com/367714/run-windows-apps-seamlessly-inside-linux
[01:02] <m13> let me see
[01:02] <ph8> when's hardy's release date?
[01:02] <nosrednaekim> april 24
[01:02] <ph8> ta :o)
[01:02] <bluefox|gaming> should put it in the channel topic
[01:03]  * r0bby kicks the wall
[01:03] <nosrednaekim> uhh the title does say when tis coming out :P
[01:03] <bluefox|gaming> >>
[01:04] <m13> getthearm: did u install ose-modules ?
[01:05] <verb3k> Whatever happened to the to the kernel scheduler bug? (I've been trying to find it's entry in launchpad but no luck so far)
[01:06] <Arand> Is anybody else having problems with wireless authentications?
[01:07] <getthearm> ya i installed virtualbox-ose-modules-generic
[01:07] <getthearm> the thing is my sound works before i install virtual box
[01:07] <m13> getthearm: u added user ?
[01:07] <getthearm> yeah sudo usermod -G vboxusers -a mike
[01:07] <getthearm> (mikes my acct name)
[01:08] <Arand> verb3k: that happened to me with another one, do a search and include all possible statuses "new, fix released (especially)" etc.
[01:09] <eythian> Hi, after the last updates and reboot, I've lost the nvidia driver and my wireless.
[01:09] <m13> what audio card u have and what driver u using ?
[01:09] <xNULL> alsa
[01:09] <verb3k> Arand, I see
[01:10] <linkinxp> how i update drivers? video drivers?
[01:10] <jbroome> linkinxp | !nvidia
[01:10] <getthearm> ok i have 2, i have an integrated intel HD and an audigy
[01:10] <Arand> I can get connection to the wireless just fine but when I try to put in certificate file and password it just dies, and then nm-applet starts crashing randomly, and asking for keyring authentications...
[01:10] <jbroome> !nvidia | linkinxp
[01:10] <ubotu> linkinxp: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:10] <getthearm> i disabled the instal sound card in bios
[01:10] <getthearm> and am using the audigy 1
[01:10] <getthearm> intel* instead of instal
[01:11] <getthearm> oops lol
[01:11] <Arand> verb3k: If the bug has been fixed that is a likely cause
[01:11] <r0bby> whoa a lot of people are having issues :/.
[01:11] <verb3k> Arand, hope it is fixed, cause it affects the system's speed
[01:12] <linkinxp> humm ok thanks
[01:12] <linkinxp> but its an Intel 965 Gm
[01:13] <bluefox|gaming> w00t! a box of free hard drives and a wireless router! craislist == wins!
[01:14]  * bluefox|gaming needs lots of hard drives
[01:14] <eythian> $ sudo modprobe nvidia
[01:14] <eythian> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[01:14] <eythian> any thoughts on that?
[01:14] <linkinxp> "o"
[01:14] <getthearm> nice bluefox
[01:15] <getthearm> craigslist is the shit
[01:17] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: indeed^^. i got a 200$ maxtronic babyarena 3xide to scsi raid0/1/5 for $20 and a stick of ram!
[01:17] <getthearm> haha dope
[01:18] <getthearm> can anyone tell me why my soundcard isnt working after i install  virtualbox in hardy
[01:18] <getthearm> there is a red x thru my sound device in the tray
[01:18] <getthearm> i have no idea how to fix it
[01:19] <eythian> OK, something really wrong with modules:
[01:19] <eythian> sudo modprobe iwl3945
[01:19] <eythian> FATAL: Module iwl3945 not found.
[01:19] <literal> will hardy inclide Perl 5.10?
[01:19] <eythian> /lib/modules/2.6.24-12-generic/ubuntu/wireless/iwlwifi/iwlwifi/compatible/iwl3945.ko exists
[01:19] <literal> include*
[01:19] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: got  a free 50pin seagate barracudda scsi 4.4 gig drive with it, and hes giving me a 9 gig later on once i trade a wificard or something for some 18 gig drives too!! and yesterday i got a pair of 9 gig 68 pin scsis for $5 each plus free 50pin 1988/89 100/200 meg drives XD[i dont mind old stuff]
[01:21] <eythian> OK, I figured it out. There was a kernel update to 2.6.24-13, but no restricted modules to match it, so all that stuff craps out.
[01:22] <getthearm> wow i love computer part hookupes
[01:22] <RAOF> eythian: But linux-meta hasn't been updated yet, right?  Did you manually pull in the 2.6.24-13 kernel?
[01:22] <getthearm> i am trying to build an LCD overhead prjector at the moment
[01:22] <getthearm> i want to find an old school overhead projector for like 20 bucks
[01:23] <Tuv0k> halfway there
[01:23] <Tuv0k> pulseaudio starts if I run it from cli
[01:24] <atlef> i thougt pulseaudio was enabled by default in hardy?
[01:24] <getthearm> red baron french bread pizzas are soooo tasty
[01:24] <atlef> *thought
[01:24] <Tuv0k> but not from boot?
[01:24] <eythian> RAOF: nope. I just ran updates, rebooted when I was told, and it failed to work.
[01:24] <bluefox|gaming> getthearm: lol. i could have grabbed one of those. my principal let me take w/e i needed from a room of junk before they demoed the building. tis wear i got me scsi adaptor and a few cables, plus a few copmuters worth of parts[forgot to grab PSUs or casings though o.<]
[01:25] <getthearm> damn, i worked for my school and got like 7 comps too
[01:26] <getthearm> but they never offered me an overhead projector, if they had i would be watching HD movies in 100" right now :-O
[01:26] <getthearm> i love free stuff :-D
[01:28] <RAOF> eythian: Hm.  I don't know why - linux-meta still points to -12, from what I can see?
[01:28] <eythian> brb
[01:29] <gluer> bluefox: so are you setting up hardy on this old stuff?
[01:32] <bluefox|gaming> gluer: i got a asus p2b-f with a p3@450 and 768 ram, nvidia tnt2 or sumfin[its unlabled], adaptec 2940w with a 4.4gb seagate barracuda 50pin scsi drive on itand two maxtor 200mb 50 drives[for docs], cmi8738 OEM PCI soundcard and 3com 10baset 10/100 cyclone ethernet adaptor in it, plus a lg dvdrom drive and 52x cdrom drive in it for kicks
[01:32] <bluefox|gaming> just finished installing hardy in it
[01:33] <bluefox|gaming> and just hit enter to reboot XD
[01:38] <num> anytime i use apt tools i get an error with timidity package, it claims that it needs to be reconfigured and errors occure. what can i do to correct this?
[01:38] <eythian> RAOF: I think it was virtualbox-ose-modules that pulled it in. I may have installed the -13 one by accident.
[01:40] <eythian> RAOF: ok, definitely virualbox, it forced the upgrade.
[01:40] <eythian> (I had manually installed the -12 ones, but an update or something pulled it up to -13)
[01:40] <RAOF> Ada!
[01:42] <bluefox|gaming> hehe, i figured out how to make pastebin readable again.
[01:42] <DarphBobo> what? delayed 3 months?
[01:42] <Dr_willis> num,  try sudo dpkg-reconfigure WHATEVERPACKATGENAME
[01:43] <atlef> DarphBobo:  haha
[01:43] <atlef> DarphBobo: aprilfools
[01:43] <atlef> i think
[01:43] <DarphBobo> ok, was that april fools joke?
[01:43] <DarphBobo> lol
[01:43] <num> Dr_willis: ok
[01:44] <getthearm> if i get rickrolled one more time
[01:44] <num> Dr_willis: it says /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: timidity is broken or not fully installed
[01:44] <eythian> you guys know that it's April 2nd in over half the world now, right? :)
[01:44] <getthearm> i swear
[01:44] <atlef> DarphBobo: but they should, then ff3 will be done, and not a beta
[01:44] <Dr_willis> num,  try removing it?
[01:44] <bluefox|gaming> GIRR!!!!
[01:44] <mneptok> getthearm: http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/youtube.pl?IDLink=3507883
[01:45]  * bluefox|gaming needs an 'angry eyes' ascii emote...
[01:45] <atlef> i really do hate ff3, and its dependencies
[01:45] <bluefox|gaming> why will grub not boot from a scsi disk drive?
[01:45] <bluefox|gaming> they boot winblows fine <. <
[01:45] <RAOF> atlef: What are its' evil dependencies?
[01:45] <num> Dr_willis: removed, it was a midi to whatever converter. i dont even know what for this was installed
[01:46] <atlef> not possible to remove, screws with my ff2
[01:46] <Dr_willis> num,  :) easy enough eh..
[01:46] <num> Dr_willis: thank you!
[01:46] <DarphBobo> ff3 seems cool to me
[01:46] <atlef> RAOF: and a lot of the plugins will be removed if you remove ff3
[01:47] <icesword> come on,this is april 2 today
[01:47] <derspankster> not yet here
[01:47] <icesword> hmm
[01:47] <atlef> DarphBobo: i agree, but it is beta, and 8.04 is a LTS
[01:48] <atlef> DarphBobo: and the mozillateam will not be ready with ff3 until june as i understand
[01:48] <derspankster> FF3 is good but still needs a lot of work
[01:48] <RAOF> atlef: Ah, right.  So it's not actually the dependencies of ff3 that you don't like, it's things being dependant on ff3.  Right. (Is ff2 even in the archives still?)
[01:49] <m13> 0_o
[01:49] <derspankster> I'm sure it is
[01:49] <atlef> RAOF: yes, i have ff2 installed because of my extensions
[01:50] <toorima> im installing hardy with the alternate disk, due to encryption setup, but i get to pick between 3 kernels, linux-generic, linux-image-generic and linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic, whats the difference?
[01:50] <atlef> RAOF: try removing ff3 after you have installed ff2 and you will see what i mean
[01:50] <derspankster> Of course, I've only been running the beta since this morning
[01:50] <atlef> RAOF: it will also ruin your ff2 profile
[01:51] <RAOF> atlef: Oh, cool.  Bugs filed?
[01:51] <atlef> RAOF: yes, but no responce so far
[01:51] <linkinxp> hey guys i did this mkdir ~/src; cd ~/src; git-clone git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/mes now what?? is the next step??
[01:51] <atlef> RAOF: maybe im alone on this one
[01:54] <atlef> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayerplug-in/+bug/204203
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204203 in mplayerplug-in "difficult to remove FF3 beta, and keep FF2 functionality" [Undecided,New]
[01:54] <Stroganoff> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy, the font size of the XDM login prompt is huge, no matter what Xresource file i use
[01:56] <dotech> the beta release notes link in the topic doesn't go to an existing wiki page
[01:56] <num> is there something like mathcad a calculus application alternatif?
[01:56] <dotech> actually it probably does, my client stinks :(
[01:56] <dotech> anyone know the full link? my topic cuts off after "Bet"
[01:57] <Pici> dotech: its not just you... hold on
[01:57] <RAOF> atlef: Oh, right.  That probably won't be fixed, because we'd (probably) need to build two plugins, one for ff2 & one for ff3.
[01:57] <Pici> dotech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta
[01:57] <bluefox|gaming> i there a version of this >http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown i can use with a bb sig?
[01:58] <atlef> RAOF: that is most likely the case, but i need my extensions, so i will have to live with it till they are supported by ff3
[01:58] <RAOF> atlef: Yeah.  Sucks.
[01:59] <atlef> RAOF: but as i said, i get around it, but it is not ideal
[01:59] <toorima> im installing hardy 32bit with the alternate disk, but i get to pick between 3 kernels, linux-generic, linux-image-generic and linux-image-2.6.24-12-generic, whats the difference?
[02:00] <RAOF> toorima: That sounds like a bug.  All those kernels are the same, at various dependency levels.
[02:00] <RAOF> toorima: Choose linux-generic.
[02:00] <atlef> RAOF: and as long as i use the profilemanager to start ff2 i can live with it
[02:00] <dotech> cool thanks :)
[02:01] <gluer> 3 month delay???
[02:01] <toorima> RAOF: ok thx
[02:01] <dotech> i was building a new pc this week that i was hoping to upgrade to Hardy, how can I help to make this happen sooner?
[02:01] <dotech> I am an experienced programmer
[02:02] <dotech> definitely installing the beta
[02:02] <tritium> dotech: that's all you need to do.  Just keep up with the updates, and you'll have Hardy.
[02:02] <dotech> i have a fairly rare system too, 2 PCI-E 16x nvidia graphics cards and 3 monitors
[02:03] <dotech> so i want to do as much as i can to help
[02:04] <dotech> tritium, will do
[02:04] <m13> i have amd64 939 , could i put opteron procesor on this motherboard with hardy installed ?
[02:04] <luddite_> hi i updated to new dev branch from beta 3(fresh install) and now it wont get past LOADING. PLEASE WAIT
[02:07] <dotech> the only downside for me is that i have very limited experience with Ubuntu, i have been using various distros of Linux for years though
[02:08] <r0bby> argh
[02:09] <ph8> Hi all - is anyone using Xen on Hardy by any chance?
[02:09] <ph8> I've just upgraded and lost all my DomU networking, it was working fine before upgrade - wondering if anyone's had similar problems
[02:09] <nomasteryoda> dotech, used debian?
[02:09] <dotech> yes, often, i know Ubuntu is the successor of Debian, sort of
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> spawn of the debian more or less
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> debian still kicks tail
[02:10] <dotech> for the most part i know the package manager
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> using it on my ppc imac
[02:10] <dotech> so thats really all i need to get past most hurdles
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:10] <nomasteryoda> apt-get is the best
[02:10] <dotech> haha i wish i had a ppc imac
[02:10] <dotech> i got the new intel macbook
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> ah
[02:11] <dotech> i happen to be a ppc expert
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> cool
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> i sold an old macbook... like the 1st gen for 30$ at a yardsale last month
[02:11] <dotech> hahah
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> had os8.1 and yellowdog 3.0 on it
[02:11] <dotech> they go for much more than that these days, i got the cheapest model at a discount for a grand
[02:11] <nomasteryoda> it was assembled from the dumpster
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> ya
[02:12] <dotech> lol
[02:12] <dotech> yellowdog
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> yup
[02:12] <dotech> i used that for a week or so
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> slow with only 40mb ram, but worked
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[02:12] <luddite_> dotech: i cant get wireless 802.11g USB dongle to work on a old macbook PPC
[02:12] <luddite_> i was going to smash it
[02:12] <dotech> lol
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> ya i had over 300 updates to debian etch on this one
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> lol
[02:12] <luddite_> but it would be usefull as roaming arounf the house
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> the macbook or the dongle?
[02:12] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[02:12] <luddite_> macbook
[02:12] <dotech> well i know the CPU itself, the architecture, but device drivers for an OS is another story
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> friend at work told me to drive over to her house and she'd give me a G4
[02:13] <nomasteryoda> complete system
[02:13] <frederic> hello all. is there someone that could help me ... I cut / paste a directory from my Destop to another place. paste didn't work and it seems my data are lost. How may I recover them ? thanks !
[02:13] <dotech> i gave up on Gentoo, i had much more than 300 updates
[02:13] <dotech> and on my 1ghz amd thunderbird that was a daunting task
[02:13] <frederic> did cut/past with stupid right click into nautilus (gnome).
[02:14] <dotech> new d-link switches smell pretty good
[02:14] <dotech> even has a nice "green ethernet" logo indicating that it consumes less power, haha.
[02:16] <ZiggyFish_laptop> I'm having a problem with gdm, I was told by Nith (in #ubuntu to ask in this channel)
[02:16] <ZiggyFish_laptop> gdm hang before i get to log in
[02:17] <Stroganoff> after upgrading from gutsy to hardy, the font size of the XDM login prompt is huge, no matter what Xresource file i use. any ideas?
[02:17] <ZiggyFish_laptop> any ideas
[02:18] <derspankster> how big is it?
[02:18] <linkinxp> hello why i get this???  *** No rule to make target `/home/linkinxp/src/mesa/makefile.mgw'.
[02:19] <ZiggyFish_laptop> anyone
[02:19] <L33tMasta> So I'm still having an issue with shutting down/ restarting causing my screen to start displaying odd color lines and flicker
[02:20] <Pici> linkinxp: You really shouldnt have to do anything special to that model's drivers working
[02:20] <linkinxp> now?
[02:20] <linkinxp> no?
[02:20] <linkinxp> well everything its special cause im new in this
[02:20] <fatrat> aloalo.. lil.help. want to dl 8.04B, but is it poss to update to LTS once released or better to wait?
[02:20] <Pici> linkinxp: If you're brand new, you probably shouldn't be using the beta version
[02:21] <linkinxp> Pici:  true
[02:21] <linkinxp> Pici:  well im getting the Stable then
[02:21] <Pici> Beta = Buggy && Less Support
[02:21] <linkinxp> ill be back :D
[02:21] <linkinxp> lol
[02:26] <L33tMasta> Anyone have an ideas on how I can fix the screen issue? Honesly it can't be good for the moniter
[02:26] <eythian> L33tMasta: what video card?
[02:27] <L33tMasta> 8600M GT
[02:27] <eythian> installed nvidia-glx-new?
[02:27] <eythian> (and using it?)
[02:27] <L33tMasta> Yep
[02:27] <quentusrex> smb video play seems broken....
[02:28] <quentusrex> I can't open a windows share, and double click to play a video file... I have to manually copy it to my computer, then play it....
[02:28] <eythian> L33tMasta: nvidia-settings tell you anything useful
[02:28] <quentusrex> Is this a known bug???
[02:28] <eternal_p> g'evening all...I am having an odd flash problem, any flash video freezes after two seconds
[02:28] <eythian> eternal_p: install libflashsupport?
[02:29] <fatrat> 'reading' Ubuntu Hairy Hardon LOL
[02:29] <L33tMasta> What's the command for  nvidia-setting
[02:29] <eternal_p> eythian: already installed
[02:29] <eythian> quentusrex: I just tested it from a samba share, and it works fine.
[02:29] <eternal_p> it does work, just hangs after two seconds of video
[02:29] <atlef> eternal_p: do you use any mediaplayer at the same time
[02:29] <eternal_p> nope, nothing
[02:30] <eythian> eternal_p: got the sound settings set to pulseaudio, and is pulseaudio running? It isn't stuck (I've had that happen a couple of times...try killall pulsaudio and restarting it)
[02:30] <ZiggyFish_laptop> anyway fixed my problem
[02:30] <eythian> L33tMasta: 'nvidia-settings'
[02:30] <linkinxp> when 8.04 comes Fully Supported will 7.04 update by itself? or do i need to install it again?
[02:30] <L33tMasta> Wow..It's not installed?
[02:30] <eternal_p> eythian: right now, everything is set to auto detect
[02:31] <eythian> eternal_p: perhaps try forcing it to pulseaudio. I'm thinking the audio buffers fill in 2 secs and it stalls. I've heard of it happening.
[02:31] <RAOF> linkinxp: If you are running Gutsy (7.10) (or Dapper (6.06), I think) you will be asked whether you want to upgrade.
[02:31] <L33tMasta> Alright installed. lemme take a look
[02:31] <RAOF> linkinxp: If you're running Feisty, you'll need to upgrade to Gutsy first, then to Hardy.
[02:31] <atlef> eythian: this has happend to me
[02:32] <RAOF> linkinxp: The upgrade-manager will handle this
[02:32] <linkinxp> RAOF:  nice so what about if im running the beta??
[02:33] <eternal_p> eythian: same thing, I will trying to kill pulseaudio
[02:33] <eythian> linkinxp: it'll just work
[02:33] <RAOF> linkinxp: Hardy beta?  You'll continually update until you hit the release.
[02:33] <eythian> linkinxp: you don't upgrade from the beta to the release, it just ends up being the release
[02:33] <linkinxp> nice! well then i will continue with the beta
[02:34] <linkinxp> eythian:  RAOF u see the problem is with the Intel 965 Gm drivers i have the generics no the real ones
[02:34] <eternal_p> eythian: good call
[02:34] <L33tMasta> eythian: Maybe I'm not looking at the right options but everything looks good
[02:34] <eythian> linkinxp: I don't know anything about Intel video
[02:34] <eythian> eternal_p: cool
[02:35] <eythian> L33tMasta: your monitor is correctly plugged in? (stupid question, but you never know)
[02:35] <L33tMasta> Laptop
[02:35] <linkinxp> :D
[02:35] <eternal_p> eythian: ty
[02:36] <eythian> L33tMasta: ah. Hmm. running compiz? Tried disabling it?
[02:36] <teamcobra> ldap is making my box refuse to start (hangs at starting kernel log daemon)
[02:36] <eythian> L33tMasta: oh, just shutdown/startup
[02:36] <teamcobra> I did, however, get recovery mode working
[02:36] <eternal_p> eythian: can pulse audio handle multiple audio devices at once?
[02:36] <eythian> L33tMasta: I've seen that now I think about it, I assumed it was a bug in the nvidia drivers.
[02:37] <eythian> eternal_p: yep, it does it well. And it works over a network.
[02:37] <L33tMasta> Yea. As soon as X closes I get a messed up screen
[02:37] <linkinxp> RAOF:  how the make command works?
[02:37] <L33tMasta> Looks like a program is running but control-c doesn't shut anything down
[02:37] <eythian> eternal_p: install padevchooser, paman, pavucontrol and you'll get all the cool toys.
[02:38] <eternal_p> eythian: odd then, I have my wine'ed slingbox and youtube, I get: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy
[02:38] <JohnPhys> anyone notice that Human-murrine is gone from the "controls" themes that can be selected?
[02:38] <eythian> L33tMasta: I think the only solution is to get nvidia to fix it :/ it doesn't happen on my laptop any more it seems, but it did in gutsy. It would also do a thing that look like a TV with a broken v-hold.
[02:39] <eythian> eternal_p: oh, only multiple programs if they all use pulseaudio. It's a PITA. Use 'pasuspender program' to pause pulse, and release the soundcard.
[02:39] <eternal_p> that already sounds like more trouble than its worth
[02:40] <eternal_p> I would assume that it just would not play a la windows
[02:40] <eythian> eternal_p: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/PerfectSetup you can force older ALSA programs to use it, details there
[02:40] <eythian> eternal_p: however, wine's alsa plugin is buggy and doesn't work with it. I have everything else working with the custom .asoundrc that it describes on that page.
[02:41] <eternal_p> eythian: or I just won't slingbox and youtube at the same time :)
[02:41] <eternal_p> Jay's game is just about over any ways
[02:42] <linkinxp> how i keep the shorcuts of my windows shared folders from being deleted when i restart???
[02:42] <eythian> eternal_p: yeah, if you use pasuspender it'll take care of it for you. I know rhythmbox pauses, and then resumes when the other thing finishes.
[02:43] <eythian> linkinxp: tell it to bookmark them I think. Although, they might hang around in the places menu anyway. The ssh thing I did does, can't remember if I told it to bookmark or not.
[02:43] <eythian> I guess I did actually..
[02:43] <eternal_p> eythian: i'll take a look, thanks!@
[02:43] <linkinxp> eythian:  is the ones in the desktop
[02:44] <linkinxp> eythian:  when i go to a shared folder it creates a shortcut but it gets deleted when i reboot
[02:44] <eythian> eternal_p: I spent a while learning all this over the past few days, trying to make halflife 2 have sound again :)
[02:44] <eythian> linkinxp: ah, not sure then. I don't do that much.
[02:44] <linkinxp> eythian:  thanks anyway :)
[02:45] <eternal_p> eythian: the residant expert :)
[02:45] <eythian> eternal_p: procrastination is an educational tool :)
[02:46] <nickwebcoukok> any ideas on how to watch dvd's in 8.04? I've installed the restricted drivers package, but still no joy :(
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> !dvd
[02:47] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:48] <JohnPhys> nickwebcoukok:  What specific steps did you take?  I've got dvd's working in 8.04 w/o medibuntu
[02:48] <eternal_p> eythian: hear hear
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> just installed the system
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> and installed mythtv
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> wouldnt play DVD's, so tried totem
[02:48] <nickwebcoukok> and that gave me the Unable to read from media error
[02:49] <nickwebcoukok> had a look through the packages, and installed anything that could be related to DVD playing (restricted formats) etc.
[02:51] <Ashex> trying to get a laptop to use a tv as it's main screen
[02:52] <L33tMasta> Anyone know a good universal repository?
[02:52] <aaahhh> so, latest updates killed my audio
[02:52] <Ashex> bios and ubuntu loading screen display on TV
[02:52] <aaahhh> :(
[02:52] <Ashex> but once X loads, it switches to the laptop
[02:52] <Ashex> is there any way yo set the external display as the primary monitor manually?
[02:52] <aaahhh> yea
[02:52] <aaahhh> edit your xorg.conf
[02:52] <aaahhh> file
[02:52] <Ashex> displayconfig-gtk isn't working very well
[02:53] <aaahhh> the gui config for x is still a little icky for advanced config
[02:53] <aaahhh> configs*
[02:53] <Ashex> any idea what specifically to add in?
[02:53] <aaahhh> what card you have?
[02:53] <Ashex> um
[02:53] <Ashex> old school ATI radeon card
[02:54] <RAOF> Ashex: xrandr will help.
[02:54] <IdleOne> !dvd | nickwebcoukok
[02:54] <RAOF> Ashex: You actually won't need to edit your xorg.conf at all, you can do this all dynamically.
[02:54] <ubotu> nickwebcoukok: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:54] <aaahhh> true
[02:55] <RAOF> Ashex: Also, system->Preferences->Screen Resolution may help (you could turn off your laptop screen, leaving only the TV.  Only do this if the TV shows up there, though!)
[02:55] <aaahhh> anyone have any ideas why my audio died
[02:55] <aaahhh> i have a nvidia card
[02:55] <aaahhh> nforce 4 audio
[02:55] <r0bby> :<
[02:55] <aaahhh> but when i updated it died
[02:55] <Ashex> RAOF, I'll look into it
[02:55] <aaahhh> it died before i restarted after the kernel update
[02:55] <r0bby> mmm
[02:55] <aaahhh> so i don't think it's the kernel
[02:56] <Ashex> I was just trying to do it with displayconfig-gtk
[02:56] <IdleOne> RAOF, that little script to move files from ubuntu pc to windows pc did not work :/ the rsync thing...
[02:56] <Ashex> Right now I'm seeing if booting off the live cd will have it display on the tv
[02:56] <Ashex> I installed with it disconnected
[02:56] <Ashex> aaaand no dice
[02:56] <r0bby> :/
[02:57] <aaahhh> Ashex
[02:57] <aaahhh> what type of output to the tv
[02:57] <ampex2> IdleOne: what are you trying to do?
[02:57] <aaahhh> is it just an rgb cable or is it svideo?
[02:57] <Ashex> aaahhh, rgb, so standard vga connector
[02:57] <aaahhh> i see
[02:57] <IdleOne> ampex2, trying to rsync a folder on ubuntu pc to windows pc
[02:57] <Ashex> trying to get it to output 640x480
[02:57] <ampex2> IdleOne: is rsync installed on the windows pc?
[02:57] <DanaG> Why are my things in /etc/cron.daily not running?
[02:58] <IdleOne> hmmm I dont think so
[02:58] <Ashex> currently it's just a proof of concept type of thing
[02:58] <ampex2> IdleOne: neither ubuntu or windows talk rsync out of the box
[02:58] <hrlr> Can anyone help me confirm this bug?:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/210095
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210095 in network-manager "NM doesn't pass hostname to DHCP server" [Undecided,New]
[02:58] <ampex2> IdleOne: why setup a windows share and just mount it directly on ubuntu?
[02:58] <ampex2> IdleOne: why not rather
[02:59] <Ashex> this laptop is sloowww
[02:59] <guspad> DanaG, crond down ? check /var/log/crond (or something like that) or /var/log/messages
[02:59] <Ashex> 1.8Ghz celeron, but the drive is 4200rpm
[02:59] <IdleOne> ampex2, why do it that way when I can do it the hard way :)
[03:00] <ampex2> IdleOne: if you want to use rsync, you'll have to get something like cwrsyncserver setup on the windows machine
[03:01] <IdleOne> ampex2, I could always just manualy move the files over I just figured I would try being lazy and see if I couldnt get it setup
[03:01] <ampex2> IdleOne: cwrsyncserver is nice
[03:01] <ampex2> IdleOne: but it requires some configuration out of the "box"
[03:01] <IdleOne> I will take a look at it
[03:01] <aaahhh> rsync is nice if you sync often
[03:02] <Ashex> RAOF, the external connection shows up in screen resolution
[03:02] <aaahhh> for one time transfers just use sftp or scp
[03:02] <Ashex> but changing the resolution to 640x480 and clicking apply does nothing
[03:03] <Ashex> RAOF, changing both to 640x480 only changes main screen too (was testing which was which)
[03:06] <Ashex> hmm
[03:06] <Ashex> I'll keep working on this after dinner
[03:06] <Ashex> the card is an ati radeon Mobility M7
[03:07] <Ashex> is there any driver I can use aside from the "ati" driver?
[03:07] <Ashex> framebuffer or flgrx?
[03:07] <levmatta> every update I did today just destroyed my system, now even the gnome theme is broken
[03:07] <levmatta> any ideas why my Human theme is blue ??????
[03:07] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  yeah, I noticed that the human-murrine is gone
[03:08] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  that's just the "controls" part though, go to appearance -> theme and select human in the meantime
[03:08] <levmatta> did that
[03:09] <levmatta> thanks JohnPhys
[03:09] <levmatta> why is everything strange today? the kernel xxx.13 is totally broken for one
[03:09] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  odd, I haven't received a kernel update
[03:10] <aaahhh> i did
[03:10] <levmatta> I installed the xxx.13 by half (modules for example did not install)
[03:11] <aaahhh> ok so pulse audio is not detecting my nvidia sound card
[03:11] <aaahhh> it just says sinks, simultaneous output
[03:11] <aaahhh> in devices
[03:11] <aaahhh> not sure what happened
[03:11] <levmatta> aaahhh: I have the same problem with audio, but I gess it is because os the modules thing
[03:11] <aaahhh> broke after apt-get update earlier
[03:12] <levmatta> aaahhh: check if you have the modules of xxx.13 installed
[03:12] <RyanPrior> What's with the new Human theme? It's totally borked!
[03:12] <aaahhh> not really
[03:12] <levmatta> RyanPrior: mine is also
[03:12] <aaahhh> oh as in the gnome theme?
[03:12] <aaahhh> i guess im using clearlooks
[03:13] <Luckrider> does anyone know if FF Beta 3 Verson 4 offers sound
[03:13] <aaahhh> doesn't look broken
[03:13] <Luckrider> I can't get it to work in youtube or Pandora
[03:13] <aaahhh> offers sound?
[03:13] <RyanPrior> The interface has been looking really slick with the latest Human, but it just regressed to something straight out of 1992.
[03:13] <aaahhh> dude, get the latest version of flash
[03:13] <JohnPhys> The "controls" human-murrine theme seems to have been removed in the latest updates, that's why the theme for many people is messed up.
[03:13] <Luckrider> I have the latest version
[03:13] <Luckrider> but there is no sound
[03:13] <aaahhh> well, my sound just broke
[03:14] <RyanPrior> JohnPhys: Do you know of a workaround?
[03:14] <Luckrider> that sucks
[03:14] <aaahhh> but it was working with firefox before
[03:14] <Luckrider> oh
[03:14] <Luckrider> see
[03:14] <Luckrider> sound works with everthing else
[03:14] <Luckrider> I am gonna try a different browser
[03:15] <JohnPhys> RyanPrior:  well, the theme may still exist on the system somewhere (I dont know), but at least it's not selectable.  I just selected teh "Human" theme in the appearance -> themes applet until it gets fixed, so now it looks gutsy-esque
[03:15] <JohnPhys> On a side note, that vertical orange bar on the left side of all menus in human-murrine should be thinned up *just* a bit, some menus look crowded with it
[03:16] <mneptok> JohnPhys: to whom are you addressing such sentiments?
[03:16] <mneptok> JohnPhys: $DEITY or actual developers? :)
[03:17] <levmatta> any knows what is going on with the packages?
[03:17] <mneptok> "stuff"
[03:18] <levmatta> ohhh, I waited the entire day I can wait a lot more
[03:18] <JohnPhys> mneptok:  just expressing an opinion, that's all :)  I'll always have regular human if it doesn't get thinned up, and I'd rather the devs work on some of the other bugs I filed (rendering latex in inkscape & subpixed font rendering issues in qt apps & gnome terminal) rather than thinning up some orange bar :)
[03:18] <JohnPhys> *subpixel
[03:22] <levmatta> just to query: anyone else having problems with the clock applet
[03:22] <levmatta> ?
[03:22] <IdleOne> such as?
[03:22] <earl_> did the latest round of updates break anyone else's system?
[03:22] <aaahhh> yea
[03:22] <levmatta> earl_:  Very much yes
[03:22] <aaahhh> audio is broked
[03:22] <earl_> it broke mine, i had to change to another visual theme in appearances
[03:22] <JohnPhys> earl_ : please provide more info, such as what "break ones system" means
[03:23] <IdleOne> I havent had any updates since yesterday morning
[03:23] <aaahhh> it appears that the human theme is messed up
[03:23] <earl_> yes, quite
[03:23] <crweb> IdleOne: theres a whole huge batch in the last few hours
[03:23] <levmatta> IdleOne: such as it not opening and freezing the entire gnome-panel
[03:23] <aaahhh> hmmm
[03:23] <IdleOne> levmatta, nope dont have that
[03:23] <aaahhh> i didn't get that bug
[03:23] <IdleOne> crweb, hmmm strange
[03:24] <IdleOne> crweb, seems I needed to to an update before dist-upgrade
[03:24] <earl_> well after i installed the newest round of updates, i restarted and gdm froze on startup
[03:24] <levmatta> it is really destructive, and to me is usually happens when I am not connected
[03:24] <earl_> before i could log in
[03:25] <IdleOne> here we go
[03:25] <earl_> had to ctrlalt-F2, sudo rm tmp-lock, startx. and when x started, there was some hideous theme from like 1995.
[03:25] <crweb> i think i might hold off for a bit ;)
[03:26] <levmatta> IdleOne: the clock applet bug is happening right now, I click it and it fails to open
[03:26] <earl_> pretty sure it's the modified version of the human theme that comes as default that's broken. "human" is still available, just not "custom" as the dialog's been calling it.
[03:26] <levmatta> and the hole bar goes numb
[03:27] <JohnPhys> earl_ : yes, the part of that theme which is new, the "human-murrine" controls, seems to have been removed
[03:27] <earl_> intentionally?
[03:27] <IdleOne> levmatta, was this after updates?
[03:27] <levmatta> no
[03:28] <JohnPhys> earl_:  no idea, I noticed some theme packages were updated, maybe an old one slipped in that didn't include human-murrine, though I think that'd be unlikely
[03:28] <IdleOne> levmatta, check dmesg see if it tells you anything
[03:28] <levmatta> if I kill the gnome-panel process it Usually comes back
[03:28] <JohnPhys> earl_:  I'd expect it to return shortly
[03:28] <tkooda> what's the "one sentance description" on how stable hardy desktop is right now?  (got new dell D830 laptop and figured I'd try just install hardy now instead of upgrading in a few weeks)
[03:28] <Riskbreaker> JohnPhys: i look forward to it
[03:28] <aaahhh> tkooda, it was extremely stable yesterday
[03:28] <Riskbreaker> tkooda: it wasn't bad until today. lol
[03:29] <JohnPhys> tkooda:  Still unstable enough where you don't want to install it as your main os yet, unless you want ot help with testing and filing bugs.
[03:29] <aaahhh> latest batch of updates b0rked a lot of stuff
[03:29] <JohnPhys> Riskbreaker:  That's just a guess, I'm not a dev or anything.
[03:29] <aaahhh> i actually use it as my main OS
[03:29] <Riskbreaker> JohnPhys: it sounds reasonable to me
[03:29] <tkooda> url with list of broken stuff?  -so I can decide if I can deal with it as my primary os?
[03:30] <aaahhh> well it depends on your system
[03:30] <IdleOne> tkooda, all depends on your hardware
[03:30] <yotux> Is hardy still going to be delayed in release?
[03:30] <JohnPhys> aaahhh:  I'm just saying, if there's something he uses specifically that's broken, he'll want to stay away.  Me, for instance, I use the "rendering latex in inkscape" feature regularly, and since that is broken in hardy (still), I don't use it as my main os yet.  That's what spare partitions are for :)
[03:30] <aaahhh> almost everything works, but the human theme is a little messed up with the updates a little while ago
[03:30] <tkooda> dell D830.  if there's a list somewhere I can prolly figure out what'll affect me
[03:30] <levmatta> IdleOne: I could not identify anything
[03:31] <aaahhh> JohnPhys, that's when i compile it from source
[03:31] <IdleOne> levmatta, dont know what to tell you. report to launchpad.net
[03:31] <levmatta> yeah, thanks again
[03:31] <aaahhh> i compiled mplayer, from source so i could use coreavc :D
[03:32] <aaahhh> well patched mplayer
[03:32] <levmatta> on yeat another problem, I have a dell inspiron 1525 and the card reader did not work
[03:32] <levmatta> I have no clue on what to do
[03:32] <aaahhh> report it to launchpad
[03:32] <JohnPhys> aaahhh: yeah, though I like to keep my installs as "vanilla" as possible, so that things are updated nicely through the package manager.  Also, that latex thing is affecting source too, I think.  It's not just a hardy issue iirc
[03:32] <aaahhh> ah
[03:32] <aaahhh> well, compiz is still pretty broken
[03:33] <aaahhh> well not broken per say, but it doesn't work with xv
[03:33] <Riskbreaker> compiz is most definitely not broken and most definitely works with xv.
[03:33] <Riskbreaker> duck season!
[03:33] <crdlb> the only setup left where that doesn't work is fglrx
[03:33] <aaahhh> oh really
[03:33] <aaahhh> when was that fixed
[03:33] <levmatta> compiz is not broken, it just has occasional problems
[03:34] <aaahhh> well, i meant the xv problem
[03:34] <aaahhh> it works fine in general
[03:34] <aaahhh> xv, as in full screen video output
[03:34] <crdlb> Xv has worked with nvidia forever, with all the open source driver cards since gutsy (except for the intel X3000/3100)
[03:34] <levmatta> it does not work with Google Earth and Blender though
[03:35] <crdlb> and now it works with the X3100 in hardy
[03:35] <aaahhh> not-xjjk, i mean Xv works with nvidia
[03:35] <levmatta> any one on card readers????
[03:35] <aaahhh> but when i turn on compiz i can't see the video
[03:35] <crdlb> yes, I mean "Xv with compiz" when I say "Xv"
[03:36] <JohnPhys> levmatta:  no idea on the card readers
[03:36] <aaahhh> yup
[03:36] <levmatta> oh yeah for me the video does not follow the screen until a delay
[03:36] <aaahhh> just tried it
[03:36] <aaahhh> it plays fine, except in full screen
[03:36] <aaahhh> i think it's some opacity issue i believe
[03:36] <brianlight> anyone having crazy mouse issues today in hardy
[03:36] <crdlb> are your fullscreen windows not completely opaque?
[03:36] <atlef> brianlight: but no, have not experienced it
[03:37] <aaahhh> they are
[03:37] <aaahhh> also i have dual screens
[03:37] <levmatta> JohnPhys: thanks, in the past there was an application that listed all my hardware. now I cannot find it
[03:37] <aaahhh> but it plays fine moving from one to another
[03:37] <levmatta> also compiz negative is totally broken
[03:37] <aaahhh> just doesn't video, freezes frame when in full screen
[03:38] <brianlight> started haveing issue after a reboot after updating one of the packages that was updated was xserver-xorg-input
[03:38] <aaahhh> but right now my main problem is sound :(
[03:38] <levmatta> brianlight: Harddy is totally broken today
[03:38] <brianlight> cruel april fools joke
[03:39] <aaahhh> no really
[03:39] <aaahhh> it is broke
[03:39] <levmatta> I would recomend not updating and booting to the xxx.12 kernel
[03:39] <aaahhh> oh god, is this some type of jokes from the developers
[03:39] <aaahhh> release broked updates
[03:39] <levmatta> that may be itt
[03:39] <JohnPhys> lol nice thought, but I doubt it
[03:40] <JohnPhys> if it were, they should have just changed everyone's background, or the usplash
[03:40] <levmatta> broken and false dependencies, take that joke Synaptic
[03:40] <aaahhh> i doubt that would go nicely with the users
[03:40] <brianlight> so what's all broken today?
[03:40] <JohnPhys> or autostarted a rickroll in firefox upon boot
[03:40] <aaahhh> brb, rebooting and seeing if reverting back to older kernel works
[03:41] <eythian> aaahhh: you have virtualbox installed?
[03:41] <levmatta> my sound, wireless, the modules package of the new kernel is not available
[03:41] <aaahhh> yea
[03:41] <levmatta> the them
[03:41] <aaahhh> i do
[03:41] <levmatta> theme
[03:41] <aaahhh> why?
[03:41] <aaahhh> did virtualbox modules break it?
[03:41] <levmatta> virtualbox updated today but is fine for me
[03:42] <tkooda> where can I find a list of current hardy bugs?  (perhaps one of these??:  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.04.1  or  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/later  )
[03:42] <brianlight> I'm sure the xserver-xorg-input packages gave me crazy mouse
[03:42] <levmatta> keep in mind that I booted to the old kernel
[03:42] <aaahhh> lol
[03:42] <eythian> aaahhh: virtualbox modules pulled in the -13 kernel, which isn't released proper yet.
[03:42] <aaahhh> damn
[03:42] <eythian> So no restricted modules come with.
[03:42] <aaahhh> well it shouldn't be a restricted module
[03:43] <brianlight> I'm getting false left clicks when I move my mouse around
[03:43] <eythian> probably didn't get ubuntu-specific modules either.
[03:43] <aaahhh> yea
[03:43] <aaahhh> probably
[03:43] <aaahhh> i tried search synaptic
[03:43] <aaahhh> but no luck
[03:43] <JohnPhys> aha, that would explain why I didn't get the -13 kernel pulled in (no virtualbox install)
[03:43] <aaahhh> for the modules
[03:43] <eythian> for now, tell grub to start -12 until -13 is updated.
[03:43] <aaahhh> ill try using .12
[03:43] <aaahhh> yea
[03:43] <aaahhh> ill do that
[03:44] <aaahhh> you know with all the special, gui tools in ubuntu, i still find it faster just to go directly to the conf file
[03:44] <levmatta> bye people and thanks for all the help
[03:44] <luddite_> same
[03:44] <DanaG> Can anybody tell me what syntax this is:
[03:44] <DanaG> #@ignore = qw( **/cache **/Cache **/nobackup );
[03:44] <eythian> DanaG: perl
[03:44] <DanaG> or rather, without comment mark.
[03:44] <aaahhh> it is perl
[03:44] <aaahhh> i believe
[03:44] <DanaG> How would I make it also match .cache and .Cache and .thumbnails?
[03:45] <luddite_> i just saw a new laptop for AUS$410. Celeron 1.8 M, 2.5GB ram, 80GB HD. Wow
[03:45] <eythian> DanaG: probably just add **/.cache etc to that list
[03:45] <alex_mayorga> how's the "right" way to test Firefox nightly builds in Ubuntu?
[03:45] <DanaG> Does it take the dot as 'any char' like bash?
[03:45] <eythian> luddite_: we have NZ$600 laptops preinstalled with ubuntu being sold here
[03:45] <aaahhh> you can install it in usr/local
[03:45] <aaahhh> and then test it
[03:46] <aaahhh> and make clean if you don't like
[03:46] <aaahhh> make uninstall*
[03:46] <aaahhh> oh, actual builds
[03:46] <eythian> DanaG: I don't think bash uses '.' as 'any'. But, perl regexes do, so it depends how it uses it.
[03:47] <aaahhh> you might need to do \.
[03:47] <aaahhh> but im not that familiar with perl, i'd have to look at it's little quirks
[03:47] <aaahhh> brb reverting to .12 kernel
[03:48] <Riskbreaker> is anyone running a broadcom 43series wireless chip?
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> I have 74 updates to go, any heavy breakage ahead?
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker: I am
[03:48] <aaahhh> yea
[03:48] <aaahhh> if you use the human theme
[03:48] <aaahhh> it's currently a little borked
[03:48] <alex_mayorga> aaahhh: bug?
[03:49] <eythian> human is working fine for me...
[03:49] <aaahhh> well i think it's a dependency
[03:49] <mneptok> this is why you should always install a window manager as well as a desktop environment :)
[03:49] <eythian> oh, I take that back. I'm apparently not using human.
[03:49] <aaahhh> i personally don't use it
[03:49]  * mneptok hugs Openbox
[03:49] <aaahhh> the orange makes my eyes cry
[03:49] <Riskbreaker> are you running the b43-fwcutter driver or ndiswrapper
[03:49] <DanaG> I like orange, myself.
[03:50] <aaahhh> didn't they release an opensource driver
[03:50] <aaahhh> i thought it worked with wpa2
[03:50] <DanaG> oh yeah, does perl regex use * for "one or more of previous" or for "any of any character"?
[03:51] <aaahhh> http://www.troubleshooters.com/codecorn/littperl/perlreg.htm
[03:51] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, b43
[03:51] <aaahhh> ok im really rebooting now
[03:52] <Riskbreaker> are you having problems with speed?
[03:52] <eythian> DanaG: the first one.
[03:52] <HorizonXP> hey, I'm trying to dual-boot Ubuntu and Mac OS X; Ubuntu works fine, but when I select Mac OSX in the GRUB menu, I get Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format. Any help?
[03:53] <DanaG> What's with the double asterisk, then?
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> Riskbreaker, I'm having problems with range, not speed
[03:53] <Riskbreaker> well the common thread is that there's problems. =)
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> but I have to be in the same room that my router
[03:53] <alex_mayorga> not that I have much more rooms to go to :)
[03:54] <eythian> DanaG: no idea. In java (well, ant) that means 'any number of directories', followed by whatever comes after
[03:54] <alex_mayorga> so no one doing nightly firefox build testing?
[03:56] <eythian> DanaG: perldoc File::Glob might be useful, assuming it is using globs. It doesn't mention ** though.
[04:01] <DanaG> Yay, my Firewire drive gets up to 36 megabytes per second.
[04:01] <DanaG> USB 2.0 only gets 20.
[04:01] <DanaG> USB 2.0:  Durrh, DMA?  Never heard of it.
[04:01] <brianlight> so no one else has crazy input today?
[04:02] <brianlight> mainly from the mouse after xserver-xorg-input update?
[04:07] <aaahhh> yea
[04:07] <aaahhh> it was the .13
[04:07] <aaahhh> kernel
[04:07] <aaahhh> that was messing up my audio
[04:08] <mneptok> aaahhh: sudo apt-get install linux-ubuntu-modules-$KERNELREV
[04:09] <DanaG> `uname -r` is better.
[04:09] <DanaG> or the same.
[04:10] <aaahhh> well
[04:11] <aaahhh> linux-ubuntu-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic isn't in the repo yet
[04:11] <aaahhh> but the kernel is
[04:12] <vlowther> so, don't dist-upgrade for the next couple on days, then?
[04:13] <aaahhh> well it was because of virtualbox
[04:13] <RAOF> aaahhh: It seems to be virtualbox-ose-modules brokenly pulling in the -13
[04:13] <JohnPhys> anyone experiencing Bug #190848 ?
[04:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190848 in gnome-terminal "font in terminal does not resemble font in preview" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190848
[04:13] <aaahhh> it /unload HighlightCollector.py
[04:13] <aaahhh> woops
[04:14] <aaahhh> yea
[04:14] <aaahhh> RAOF
[04:14] <aaahhh> eythian, told me that
[04:14] <aaahhh> and reverting back to the older kernel worked
[04:15] <aaahhh> had to reinstall nvidia-glx-new binary drivers twice :(
[04:27] <crhylov1> Hey, I can't get my wifi going on a little presario laptop.
[04:28] <crhylov1> I can't get the blue light to come on at all.
[04:28] <crhylov1> Any help?
[04:28] <aaahhh> what chipset?
[04:28] <crhylov1> I am using Hardy Heron Beta.  I believe it is Broadcom.
[04:29] <crhylov1> I am next to useless with a command line, btw.
[04:29] <aaahhh> well
[04:29] <aaahhh> you could use ndiswrapper
[04:29] <crhylov1> But I am good at downloading things, burning cds, etc.
[04:29] <aaahhh> with fwcutter
[04:30] <crhylov1> OK.  Is there an online tut for that with GUI step by step?
[04:35] <bluefox|gaming> has hardinfo allways crashed a lot since feisty fawn or is it just me? cause gutsy it crashed and now i installed it again and as soon as i try to get a summary it crashes
[04:37] <aaahhh> it worked ok for me
[04:38] <aaahhh> nvm that was hardware testing
[04:38] <crhylov1> any link on how to get ndiswrapper going in the GUI?  I didn't see one on the forums.
[04:38] <bluefox|gaming> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61890/
[04:38] <bluefox|gaming> ^hardinfo crash
[04:39] <crhylov1> lol.  That link was not related.
[04:40] <bluefox|gaming> crhylov1: if you had read my second comment...
[04:40] <bluefox|gaming> XD
[04:41] <voidmage> anyone know why human-murrine was removed?
[04:41] <aaahhh> no clue
[04:41] <aaahhh> im generating a report now bluefox|gaming
[04:42] <aaahhh> and it hasn't crashed yet
[04:42] <aaahhh> yet it generated the report fine
[04:43] <bluefox|gaming> aaahhh: but im not after a report. i want to browse the stuff in it's GUI
[04:43] <aaahhh> ooooh purty report
[04:43] <crhylov1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=734003
[04:43] <AutoMatriX> problem : gutsy will not install on my laptop as long as there is an nnfs partition on my HD, I have to install feisty, then go to gutsy before installing hardy .... somebody has a solution ?
[04:43] <aaahhh> im browsing
[04:43] <aaahhh> it's fine
[04:44] <crhylov1> These seems to solve it, but I have to give this laptop back to my drummer later in the week, and he will completely unable to handle that every time he boots.
[04:44] <crhylov1> Any permanent work around yet?
[04:44] <aaahhh> for what?
[04:44] <voidmage> AutoMatriX: this channel is for hardy. ask about gutsy in #ubuntu
[04:44] <aaahhh> wireless
[04:44] <DanaG> Yay, finally I found a backup thingy that works.
[04:44] <DanaG> faubackup.
[04:45] <DanaG> Just had to put it in cron.d somewhere, and edit the config.
[04:45] <AutoMatriX> voidmage, actuallu I'm installing hardy ...
[04:45] <aaahhh> bacula is nice
[04:45] <voidmage> oh
[04:45] <AutoMatriX> voidmage, via an upgrade, cannot do anything else
[04:46] <aaahhh> what's an nnfs partition
[04:46] <aaahhh> you mean ntfs?
[04:47] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, nice, you got it
[04:47] <quentusrex> what do shared lib's end with? .a? or .so???
[04:47] <aaahhh> huh?
[04:47] <aaahhh> you mean why?
[04:47] <bluefox|gaming> crhylov1: i didnt click the link, but i suggest making a shell script in it to be executed duing bootup
[04:49] <Tu13es> can I get the hardy beta alongside gutsy?
[04:49] <Tu13es> I'd compiled the 2.6.24 kernel myself a few weeks before the beta and had wifi issues
[04:49] <Tu13es> if the issues are still there I really don't want to have a nonworking system while I troubleshoot
[04:50] <DanaG> wtf?  All my menus are opening at the BOTTOM of the z-order.
[04:50] <Boohbah> quentusrex: .so for shared object
[04:50] <quentusrex> thanks
[04:51] <aaahhh> automatrix use some partition utility to resize the partition
[04:51] <Dex-Freudii>  I need is to creat an empty vfat into a .img file to be mounted with VirtualBox ... any ideas?
[04:51] <aaahhh> gparted works nice
[04:52] <aaahhh> vfat?
[04:52] <Kl4m> Can I set the language for a single app? I want to start a GNOME program in english to file a consistent bug report.
[04:52] <aaahhh> i think it's a variable setting
[04:52] <aaahhh> not sure
[04:53] <DanaG> Argh, my hda-intel is broken!
[04:53] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, that has already been done .... but it gets stuck when using 'manual' partitioning, unles I use Feisty, which works perfect
[04:53] <RAOF> DanaG: sudo module-assistant a-i alsa-source, man.
[04:53] <aaahhh> what are you trying to install?
[04:53] <aaahhh> hardy?
[04:53] <crhylov1> I'm gonna try this: http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=197102&highlight=broadcom+ndiswrapper
[04:54] <DanaG> I wonder why it randomly broke.
[04:54] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.24-12-generic #1 SMP Wed Mar 12 23:01:54 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[04:54] <aaahhh> that should work
[04:54] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, now I'm trying to install hardy, but via update manager, since I ran out of CD's
[04:54] <DanaG> STill on -12.
[04:54] <aaahhh> you can actually use the gui in hardy
[04:54] <aaahhh> Automatrix the gui installer sucks, use the alternate cd
[04:54] <aaahhh> if you want to manually partition
[04:55] <aaahhh> or if the gui installer fails
[04:55] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, I used both, the live AND the alternate
[04:55] <aaahhh> oh
[04:55] <aaahhh> it failed in the alternate cd too?
[04:55] <DanaG> I wonder why -12 ALSA randomly broke.
[04:55] <DanaG> The modules are still loaded.
[04:55] <AutoMatriX> aaahhh, correct
[04:56] <aaahhh> DanaG did you just apt-update
[04:56] <aaahhh> upgrade*
[04:56] <aaahhh> and do you run virtualbox
[04:56] <aaahhh> or have it installed
[04:56] <aaahhh> oh nvm
[04:56] <aaahhh> you're still on 12
[04:56] <aaahhh> try restarting
[04:56] <aaahhh> but pick the .12 kernel
[04:57] <aaahhh> i had the same problem, i run virtualbox, and the sound died before rebooting into .13, sound doesn't work at all in .13 due to no kernel modules in the repo
[04:57] <aaahhh> corresponding kernel modules*
[05:00] <DanaG> I AM in 12.
[05:01] <DanaG> *** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.               Unable to set hw params for playback: Input/output error               Setting of hwparams failed: Input/output error                               speaker-test: pcm_pulse.c:115: pulse_stop: Assertion `pcm->stream' failed.                      Aborted (core dumped)
[05:01] <DanaG> (removed line breaks.)
[05:01] <DanaG> aplay to the device itself works fine.
[05:05] <aaahhh> is any other device taking control of the audio device
[05:05] <aaahhh> other application*
[05:05] <DanaG> Everything should be going through PulseAudio.
[05:09] <DanaG> How do I fix my pulseaudio?
[05:09] <DanaG> And yes, I do deliberately use PulseAudio, for the multiple-device features.
[05:10] <DanaG> Oh, PCM was low, for some odd reason.
[05:12] <dwidmann> Anybody around a wizard with alsa by any chance?
[05:13] <crhylov1> what is the new program for formatting a USB key or other hard drive?
[05:13] <crhylov1> it says gparted is not installed.
[05:14] <BHSPitMonkey> I heard pulseaudio could be forwarded over ssh somehow, but I could never find out how.
[05:14] <JohnPhys> crhylov1:  just install gparted, I dont' think it is usually installed by default in gutsy or feisty either
[05:19] <BHSPitMonkey> It's not.
[05:19] <dwidmann> JohnPhys: rightfully shouldn't be too ... leaves newer users too much oppurtunity to play with drives while the partitions are mounted (bad thing)
[05:23] <crhylov1> huh.  OK, thnx.
[05:23] <crhylov1> I was hoping to format this USB key BEFORE I copied stuff from this machine to the one that is offline (for obvious reasons), but I will suck it up and burn a CD.....
[05:25] <crhylov1> Where should I get the .deb for that?
[05:26] <crhylov1> (It's not on getdeb).
[05:28] <crhylov1> is gparted somewhere on the hardy beta cd?
[05:28]  * crhylov1 goes to grep.
[05:32] <ubuntufanboy> hello all
[05:33]  * ubuntufanboy needs help with Java on Hardy 64.
[05:40] <ubuntucool123_> has anyone tried ubuntu beta on compaq evo n800v? what is it like?
[05:40] <VeN0mizer> not I
[05:41] <VeN0mizer> upgrading to beta on my hell...I mean dell laptop as we speak
[05:42] <ubuntucool123_> i hope it works fine on the compaq evo n800v. version 7.10 had a resolution problem so i needed to go into xorg.conf and change it
[05:42] <ubuntufanboy> thats why i bought a thinkpad
[05:43] <VeN0mizer> if only I had more dough
[05:43] <VeN0mizer> ;)
[05:43] <crhylov1> i like dell, as long as you reformat IMMEDIATELY after purchase.
[05:43] <VeN0mizer> lol yeah I did
[05:44]  * DanaG will probably get an "HP Compaq" (wow, that's silly naming) 8510p in summer.
[05:44] <VeN0mizer> wiped off crappy home xp, installed crappier vista, went back to xp pro, then to ubuntu, and never looked back :)
[05:44] <crhylov1> dell always comes completely loaded with CRAP.
[05:44] <VeN0mizer> only complain was the broadcom driver that ubuntu came packaged with kept locking up my system, had to use NDISwrapper
[05:44] <aaahhh> wireless is still pretty crappy in linux
[05:45] <ubuntucool123_> im going to dual boot with windoze and ubuntu 8.04 (when final comes out)
[05:45] <VeN0mizer> I'm hoping the hardy upgrade in progress won't  break my ndiswrapper config :(
[05:45] <aaahhh> have they fixed the store wpa2 enterprise issue in networkmanager?
[05:45] <VeN0mizer> I use wicd, like it much better :)
[05:46] <VeN0mizer> oh, and I have an ATI card :(
[05:46] <VeN0mizer> which ati hates making linux drivers for
[05:47] <ubuntufanboy> i had an ATI.... trashed it for a NVIDIA, best think i did for my linux life.
[05:47] <aaahhh> wicd looks nice
[05:47] <ubuntufanboy> i had an ATI.... trashed it for a NVIDIA, best thing i did for my linux life.
[05:47] <crhylov1> they are SUPPOSED to be getting better.
[05:47] <aaahhh> yea
[05:47] <aaahhh> but their legacy support sucks
[05:47] <VeN0mizer> I love it aaahhh :) they make a .deb for it
[05:48] <aaahhh> it's basicly a frontend to wpasupplicant
[05:48] <aaahhh> do you use wpa enterprise?
[05:48] <aaahhh> with radius auth
[05:48] <VeN0mizer> I had 3 nvidia cards die on me in two different comps I was building....so I'm scared of them lol I need to try them out again
[05:48] <VeN0mizer> nope, just wpa2 psk
[05:48] <aaahhh> i want to know if it stores the pass's in keyring
[05:48] <aaahhh> oh
[05:48] <VeN0mizer> which network manager couldn't seem to handle :/
[05:49] <aaahhh> well network managers wireless connection always seemed flaky
[05:49] <aaahhh> i always downgraded to manual scripts
[05:49] <VeN0mizer> then again my password is 29 characters long of symbols, caps, and numbers
[05:49] <aaahhh> rofl
[05:49] <DanaG> Hmm, since I removed my audigy2, I haven't had any more of those hard-lockups when under heavy disk+gpu activity.
[05:49] <DanaG> My passphrase is *************************
[05:49] <VeN0mizer> ....that's mine too!
[05:49] <DanaG> with some mixed case, some underscores, and some punctuation.
[05:49] <VeN0mizer> THIEF!
[05:49] <JohnPhys> nice, mine too
[05:49] <aaahhh> lol h ave you read that bash quote
[05:50] <DanaG> Count them.
[05:50] <aaahhh> hey put in your password
[05:50] <aaahhh> see, mine is ******
[05:50] <aaahhh> your client automatically sends the asterisks
[05:50] <aaahhh> :D
[05:50] <VeN0mizer> mhmm
[05:50] <DanaG> My dad doesn't leave it enabled, since he is (self-admittedly) ignorant of how security works.
[05:50] <VeN0mizer> *sean connery* and if you believe that one I'll tell ya another
[05:50] <ubuntufanboy> why security?
[05:51] <aaahhh> leave what enabled?
[05:51] <ubuntufanboy> all computers should have no security
[05:51] <ubuntufanboy> stallman way of thinking...
[05:51] <VeN0mizer> that would be windows bud
[05:51] <VeN0mizer> ;)
[05:51] <aaahhh> well it depends
[05:52] <aaahhh> people just pick on windows mainly because it is the most used OS
[05:52] <DanaG> And the users are the most ignorant.
[05:52] <aaahhh> that too
[05:52] <VeN0mizer> I've often wondered if linux would show as many patches as windows if more people targeted it
[05:52] <JohnPhys> aaahhh:  lets not leave out the fact that it was not designed with security in mind.
[05:52] <VeN0mizer> is open source _really_ that much more secure? it makes sense in theory
[05:52] <aaahhh> seriously, don't open a freaking attachment via aim
[05:53] <aaahhh> though i really hate vista
[05:53] <aaahhh> it has wizards for wizards
[05:54] <aaahhh> xp wireless settings was fairly easy
[05:54] <aaahhh> vista's is like a 15 step process
[05:54] <aaahhh> i mean it's not harder, but just more steps
[05:55] <aaahhh> i don't know how it is any easier for non tech folk
[05:55] <VeN0mizer> is mac just BSD with a pretty painting? does apple really know how to fix what's under the hood? (never owned a mac)
[05:56] <DanaG> Hmm, now this is my theme:
[05:56] <DanaG> http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/screenshot-orange-nodoka.png
[05:56] <DanaG> Try hidden SSIDs with XP... it sucks.
[05:57] <VeN0mizer> hidden ssid's always went really well with me in xp, only problem was when a network that used to broadcast it's ssid then hid it, you had to remove the profile for that network and type it in by hand for whatever reason
[05:57] <VeN0mizer> I have NEVER gotten hidden SSID's to work in ubuntu with either network manager or wicd :(
[05:57] <tritium> DanaG: what's the box down in the corner with the TeX and LaTeX icons?
[05:57] <DanaG> SCIM.
[05:57] <tritium> ah
[05:58] <DanaG> Nifty, eh?
[05:58] <DanaG> I R ⋙ U.
[05:58] <tritium> Well, depending on what it does.
[05:58] <DanaG> A ≸ B.
[05:58] <VeN0mizer> 9 minutes to go until upgrade done
[05:58] <DanaG> r∠θ
[05:58] <DanaG> That's what.
[05:58] <tritium> Cool.  And the TeX icon in the panel up top?
[05:59] <DanaG> SCIM also.
[05:59] <tritium> cool, I'll check it out
[05:59] <DanaG> It'll come in handy for science papers.
[05:59] <tritium> I've done my fair share, but I still use LaTeX.
[05:59] <DanaG> r sin θ sin φ
[06:00] <tritium> I believe I was the first to produce a dissertation entirely with ubuntu.
[06:02] <ubuntufanboy> tritium... can u send me your tex files?
[06:02] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: no, why?
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> i would like to write mine with tex... i could be handy...
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> btw.. i speak portuguese... your english work wont be of any value for me.
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> just the templated you used..
[06:03] <ubuntufanboy> nevermind...
[06:03] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: I used the Purdue latex class (puthesis)
[06:04] <tritium> It should be freely available online.
[06:04] <ubuntufanboy> what is it about btw? tritium and atomic energy?
[06:04] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/dissertations/AAI3185702/
[06:05] <ubuntufanboy> crazy...
[06:05] <ubuntufanboy> ;)
[06:06] <ubuntufanboy> 10x for the info
[06:06] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: heh
[06:06] <tritium> ubuntufanboy: https://engineering.purdue.edu/~mark/puthesis/
[06:07] <ubuntufanboy> tome time ago i sparted playing with TeX... really powerfull...
[06:08] <ubuntufanboy> well i gotta go to bed... its late in here.
[06:08] <ubuntufanboy> bye bye all
[06:08] <VeN0mizer> later fan
[06:25] <mr-russ> Hi, when running a beta, like Hardy, how to installed all binaries with debug symbols so bug reports are more useful?
[06:27] <crhylov1> OK, so I think I installed the driver properly using ndiswrapper....
[06:27] <crhylov1> But the light still won't come on.
[06:28] <crhylov1> do I have to sudo modprobe or something?  Will I have to every time I boot?
[06:29] <DanaG> put it in /etc/modules
[06:29] <DanaG> one line: "ndiswrapper"
[06:29] <aaahhh> you shouldn't have to modprobe everytime
[06:29] <aaahhh> did you use the gui
[06:29] <aaahhh> or did you manually install everything
[06:30] <DanaG> Be careful.... I put Intel drivers in ndiswrapper, and then ran into a panic every time I tried to boot thereafter.
[06:30] <crhylov1> I don't know.  I got to a point where it says (Windows Drivers Installed) Hardware installed Yes.
[06:30] <DanaG> The only way I solved it was by removing the actual mini-PCIe card.
[06:30] <crhylov1> I've rebooted twice, it all seems to be working, but I can't get the blue light to come on.
[06:31] <freddo> hello
[06:31] <crhylov1> i ran gtkndis from the command line.
[06:31] <crhylov1> sudo gtkndis
[06:33] <vega--_> is there a nightly/daily snapshot ISO of hardy available? or is the latest iso the beta release?
[06:35] <JohnPhys> vega--_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:36] <vega--_> thanks
[06:37] <eythian> there is a bug for some wireless cards where the light doesn't come on
[06:37] <eythian> but they still work
[06:37] <vega--_> hm the latest image is from yesterday, hope it doesn't install windows on my machine or something..
[06:40] <Pedantic-Steve> vega--_:  yesterday for you is April 1?
[06:43] <Meshezabeel> When I try to run java programs it says "Locking assertion failure. Backtrace:" and produces a bunch of messages with lines containing /usr/lib/libxcb-xlib.so.0, /usr/lib/libX11.so.6, and jre/lib/amd64/xawt/libmawt.so etc. Any ideas why? Things seemed to work fine under Gutsy.
[06:47] <freddo> Pedantic-Steve, yep, same here it's 7:47am, april 2
[06:48] <freddo> Pedantic-Steve, wednesday
[06:48] <Pedantic-Steve> freddo: still April 1 for me.  for another hour or so
[06:48] <mr-russ> it's wednesday afternoon here, it's all relative to where in the world you are.
[06:49] <crhylov1> Is there a version of Linux I can reinstall where the wifi will "just work"?
[06:49] <crhylov1> I'm at a loss on this thing, and wifi is a must.
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> it is Thursday here
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, works fine for me on hardy
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> but depends on what type of wifi card you have
[06:50] <crhylov1> how did you get it tow work?
[06:50] <mr-russ> wow, I'm +11 that makes you at least +18.
[06:50] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, worked right away
[06:51] <crhylov1> i have gtkndis says hardware installed yes.
[06:51] <kRush> why is there a 25 minute delay on running cron.daily after startup?
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> yes mr-russ
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> +21
[06:51] <mr-russ> Meshezabeel: and what country is this?
[06:51] <Meshezabeel> it is the country of Fools
[06:52] <freddo> Pedantic-Steve, it will still be april 1 for some people until 2 hours, i think (imay be wrong on this one), it's all about GMT+/-12 (or UTC), see http://www.timeanddate.com/
[06:52] <mr-russ> I think country of liars would be more accurate.
[06:52] <Meshezabeel> ;)
[06:52] <Meshezabeel> yes, everything I say is a lie
[06:52] <mr-russ> that's excellent for a support channel :)
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, what type of laptop and card do you have?
[06:53] <freddo> Meshezabeel, same for me, quite paradoxical, isnt it?
[06:53] <mouser> anyone here have a crazy mouse pointer in gnome after updates today
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> indeed freddo
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> mouser, nope, not with my usb
[06:53] <crhylov1> It is a presario v2000.  With broadcom.
[06:53] <Meshezabeel> haha, thought you were going to say broadcom ;)
[06:54] <crhylov1> I've installed both the broadcom .deb driver and ndiswrapper, and neither work.
[06:54] <mouser> anyone else complain about issues with mouse today?
[06:54] <crhylov1> well, they both SAY they work, but then I still can't get the blue light to turn on.
[06:54] <mouser> mouse is working fine with gusty live cd
[06:54] <mr-russ> crhylov1: do you actually get data through the interface when it says it works?
[06:55] <mouser> was working good for weeks here until an xserver-xorg-input update
[06:55] <crhylov1> mr-russ: I do not know.
[06:55] <crhylov1> I do not know how to see that.
[06:55] <freddo> Meshezabeel, i wonder if it's the same cause? personally i always lie since i'm 4 years old because i've been punished for telling the truth. I've spent a few days in my bedroom, punished, telling to myself i wont say the truth again. i wonder what Freud would say about that...
[06:55] <crhylov1> I am good with any amount of mouse clicking and CD burning.
[06:56] <Meshezabeel> freddo, well freud liked to blame everyone except for himself, that is the whole problem
[06:56] <mouser> well it could just be me I have a ps2 mouse here
[06:56] <crhylov1> Freud, through faulty logic indicted all of humanity for HIS perversions.
[06:56] <mouser> I guess I could go purchase a cheap usb and see if I have the same issues
[06:56] <crhylov1> Brilliant!
[06:57] <freddo> Meshezabeel, bah, there's no problem in fact i'm just like that, i generally lie to please peoples, often when i don't really care
[06:57] <mr-russ> crhylov1: how do you know it's not working?  the light is no real indication that it's working correctly.
[06:57] <crhylov1> the light won't come on, and I can't connect to the internet.
[06:57] <crhylov1> Other than that, I'm sure it's working great. :)
[06:57] <mouser> but Ether this is a cruel april fools day joke for people with ps2 mice or a real bug in xorg input packages for hardy
[06:57] <crhylov1> Plus, it will not show me a list of available wireless networks.
[06:57] <mr-russ> crhylov1: so you can test, it won't connect.
[06:58] <Meshezabeel> freddo, haha, comes down to a basic sin issue I guess, we do it because it helps us out in the short term but messes us up in the long term
[06:58] <crhylov1> mr-russ: I can open firefox and not get a page.
[06:58] <crhylov1> also, it never lists available networks.
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[06:58] <mouser> *** Your nickname is brianlight
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else
[06:58] <mouser> -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
[06:58] <mouser> *** Unknown command: MOSUER
[06:58] <Meshezabeel> crhylov1, are you able to see wireless connections?
[06:58] <crhylov1> no.
[06:59] <freddo> Meshezabeel, yes i was often the case when i was younger, now i learned the magic trick of lies: tell the truth
 Meshezabeel, i wonder if it's the same cause? personally i always lie> <Meshezabeel> mouser, nope, not with my usb
[06:59] <mouser> > <crhylov1> It is a presario v2000.  With broadcom.
[06:59] <mouser> > <Meshezabeel> haha, thought you were going to say broadcom ;)
[06:59] <mouser> > <crhylov1> I've installed both the broadcom .deb driver and ndiswrapper, and
[06:59] <mouser> > +neither work.
[06:59] <freddo> Meshezabeel, it's even more mind boggling that what you can imagine ;)
[06:59] <Meshezabeel> freddo, indeed, and no one realizes until it's too late :)
[07:00] <Meshezabeel> hmmm, must have been a copy and paste gone awry.
[07:00] <crhylov1> mouser: Yes, all of that is still true.
[07:00] <freddo> Meshezabeel, i'm generally not trying to lure peoples; but when i do, yes it helps ;)
[07:00] <mr-russ> well, his mouse is playing up :)
[07:01] <Meshezabeel> so is yours ;)
[07:01] <sri> greetings.. I was wondering if there has been any reports of issues with older broadcom wireless drivers
[07:02] <crhylov1> sri: LOL
[07:02] <crhylov1> That is EXACTLY what I'm doing here.
[07:02] <sri> I got one of those BCM4306 wireless cards.. and it's pissing me off :)
[07:02] <crhylov1> Banging my head repeatedly against all available walls.
[07:02] <sri> crhylov1: :)
[07:02] <sri> well, mine works but I have a lot of packet loss
[07:02] <Meshezabeel> sri, broadcom is not supported very well under linux yet
[07:02] <jussio1> have you guys tried ndiswrapper?
[07:02] <sri> and I have that even with wired connections.
[07:02] <sri> Meshezabeel: yeah, especially teh older ones.
[07:02] <jussio1> !broadcom
[07:03] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[07:03] <crhylov1> yes, but I don't know how to use it.
[07:03] <sri> jussio1: I haven't as of yet.
[07:03] <sri> thanks
[07:03] <jussio1> see the link from ubotu
[07:03] <crhylov1> ubotu: That link is broken.
[07:03] <jussio1> ubotu: is a bot.
[07:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a bot. - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:03] <crhylov1> yes i know.
[07:03] <sri> in fact, I'm on my laptop right now.. but perhaps I should do ndiswrapper.. I used that back in the feisty days.. I can't remember if I used it in gutsy
[07:03] <crhylov1> I just sent him an update.
[07:04] <crhylov1> I'm going to bring the laptop in here so I can chat and bang my head against the wall at the same time.
[07:05] <sri> yeah, sadly that link doesn't have anything for hardy.
[07:05] <jussio1> link works fine for me...
[07:05] <crhylov1> Then at midnight I'm going to the store for a steak.  Because all this head banging is hard work.
[07:05] <sri> you should get a mean guitar and bang out YYZ
[07:05] <crhylov1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Hardy
[07:05] <crhylov1> LOL The only good Rush: Where geddy doesn't sing.
[07:06] <crhylov1> I'm more of a Van Halen fan though when it comes to guitar work.
[07:06] <sri> awww.. I like geddy's singing..  their new album rocks (sorry for offtopic)
[07:06] <crhylov1> best angry smurf vocalist ever.
[07:06] <crhylov1> lol
[07:07]  * mneptok emits invisible airwaves that crackle with light
[07:07] <sri> hehe
[07:08]  * sri is gonna see em in June.  now if Porcupine Tree shows up that would be awesome too..
[07:09] <mneptok> *sigh*
[07:09] <vaughn> Anyone noticed that the auto-dim when idle doesn't return to the original brightness when no longer idle?
[07:09] <Meshezabeel> are they as good as the Arrogant Worms?
[07:10] <sri> not heard Arrogant Worms..
[07:10] <mneptok> sri: you, like, suck. now i have to fire up the external drive and shift rhythmdb.xml's around to listen to "Presto"
[07:10] <sri> mneptok: heh :)
[07:10] <sri> mneptok: shoot them sun dogs on the horizon
[07:10] <Meshezabeel> you'll have to look them up on Youtube ;)
[07:11] <crhylov1> OK.  so now I'm going to plugin an ethernet cable and see what happens.
[07:11] <sri> mneptok: you should see the YYZ done by drummer from foo-fighters and geddy and alex
[07:11] <mneptok> fye could wave mah magic wand ...
[07:12] <darthanubis> in gnome, the trash icon on the lower bar just disappeared, and i can no longer add it?!?
[07:13] <Meshezabeel> vaughn, I have problems with dim, after a minute it dims only partially, then when I move the mouse or keyboard, it dims all the way, I then have to manually use Fn+F6 to increase it back up again.
[07:13] <Meshezabeel> darthanubis, reboot?
[07:14] <mneptok> just restart GNOME
[07:14] <darthanubis> rebot? never
[07:14] <darthanubis> I'll restart gnome
[07:14] <sri> okay, be back later.. going to check to see if using bcm43xx gives me a better result.
[07:14] <JohnPhys> darthanubis:  I've seen that bug too, just log out and in (maybe a few times), they'll show up at some point
[07:14] <sri> although I think b44 is screwed too.. god I hate broadcom..
[07:14] <darthanubis> thx for the confirm
[07:15] <Meshezabeel> darthanubis, lol, reboot is just as fun ;)
[07:16] <darthanubis> I'll leave to rebooting for the noobs;)
[07:16] <Meshezabeel> good luck sri
[07:16] <Meshezabeel> darthanubis, haha, which I assumed you were since you were having probs with the trash can ;)
[07:17] <Ayabara> hey. I often get "stale NFS file handle" on my system.
[07:17] <darthanubis> I got that once
[07:17] <Ayabara> it happens only for a subset of the files in a directory
[07:17] <darthanubis> the share had been open for a few days
[07:17] <darthanubis> got stale?
[07:18] <darthanubis> I was miffed as well
[07:18] <darthanubis> then I googled it and learned aboutit
[07:18] <Meshezabeel> night all, good luck sri and crhylov1 with the broadcom
[07:19] <crhylov1> thnx.
[07:23] <crhylov1> I'm trying the update manager over a wire.
[07:23] <brianlightfoot> ok this jumpy mouse thing is buggin me so bad
[07:26] <brianlightfoot> this is such a show stopping bug
[07:28] <virtuald> are memory leaks a known problem in compiz?
[07:28] <crdlb> virtuald: the nvidia driver has a terrible memory leak
[07:28] <virtuald> :/
[07:28] <crdlb> which causes compiz to appear to leak memory
[07:29] <virtuald> any hope they will update it in time for release?
[07:29] <crdlb> I don't think they'd put in an nvidia update this late
[07:30] <crdlb> since there's really no way to know what you're getting
[07:30] <virtuald> ok, any chance ubuntu will include it later as an update?
[07:31] <Lynoure> Ever since yesterdays upgrades, my konsole has been not working at all. How can I fix it?
[07:31] <crdlb> if later means Intrepid :)
[07:31] <virtuald> i don't know that word
[07:31] <Lynoure> (the x server resolution also went down radically, but fixed that already)
[07:32] <crdlb> virtuald: the next version after hardy
[07:32] <virtuald> ok
[07:33] <crdlb> hmm
[07:34] <MagoonD> if I decide to upgrade to hardy when it comes out will I have an option to go back to gutsy gibbon?
[07:35] <crdlb> ok good hardy got that compiz-manager update
[07:35] <crdlb> MagoonD: no
[07:35] <MagoonD> crdlb can you tell me how to create a complete backup like I would create a ghost image for windows
[07:35] <crdlb> virtuald: you can try: INDIRECT=yes compiz --replace
[07:36] <virtuald> crdlb: ok, what does INDIRECT=yes do?
[07:36] <crdlb> that should avoid the memory leak but some things might not work as well
[07:36] <crdlb> makes compiz use indirect rendering
[07:36] <Lynoure> Do all other kde 3.5.9 users here also have broken konsole?
[07:36] <virtuald> MagoonD: apt doesn't support downgrading but it can be forced, though you can break everything, and it's not supported by anyone
[07:37] <MagoonD> virtuald, if I could save my entire config and hard drive before upgrading how would I go about doing that?
[07:38] <Rkod> Can anyone please help me? I am having problems achieving resolutions higher than 800x600 in Ubuntu.
[07:38] <virtuald> MagoonD: hmm, backup /home, /etc, and the package database which I don't remember where it sits, somewhere in /var
[07:38] <MagoonD> ok thx virtuald
[07:38] <Lynoure> Rkod: seems yesterdays upgrades modified xorg.conf radically
[07:39] <Rkod> I installed it two or three days ago.
[07:39] <Rkod> From wubi.
[07:39] <brianlightfoot> yeah and broke my mouse
[07:39] <brianlightfoot> when I move around my mouse I get random left clicks
[07:39] <Lynoure> Rkod: oh, if it that been that way since beginning, it's something else
[07:39] <MagoonD> Lynoure, i had to modify xorg.conf manually in gutsy because i am using a tablet
[07:39] <Rkod> Everytime I turn the computer on, or log out and in ofubuntu, it tells me that it can't find my monitor, and sets me at 800x600Resolution. So I pick my monitor from the list and it says "Please log out andin or restart to see changes", and well, when I do, it does it over and overagain. So I can't get decent resolution whatsoever. If it helps I have anNvidia 5500 FX from BFG, and it tells me I have outside drivers or something whenever
[07:40] <Lynoure> MagoonD: sorry, I don't know anything on tablets
[07:40] <fyrmedic> Is it true that 8.04 is delayed for release by quite a lot?
[07:40] <DanaG> !wacom
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wacom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <DanaG> !tablet
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tablet - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:40] <DanaG> end.
[07:40] <MagoonD> i think i am just going to wait to upgrade to hardy i am a fairly new ubuntu user so if things mess up I wouldn't know what to do
[07:40] <brianlightfoot> but I did notice that in xorg conf mouse driver was changed to vmouse
[07:40] <DanaG> (i.e. I won't try more than twice.)
[07:40] <crdlb> fyrmedic: april 24 is the current release date
[07:40] <Lynoure> Rkod: if it has not been that way since the beginning, see if you have an older copy of xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[07:41] <DanaG> Yeah, 2 or so days ago, something randomly slaughtered my xorg.conf without asking.
[07:41] <Lynoure> MagoonD: I would not recommend Hardy yet to a new user
[07:41] <sidis405> MagoonD: that is the way to go.
[07:41] <brianlightfoot> but I've already changed back to the mouse driver and i still get random rapid left mouse clicks
[07:41] <Rkod> I actually deleted it and i'm reinstalling kubuntu, to see if I have the same problem
[07:41] <sidis405> MagoonD: i installed few days ago.
[07:41] <MagoonD> Lynoure, thanks
[07:41] <Rkod> i'm installing kubuntu 8.04 KDE4
[07:41] <sidis405> still sorting it out ;)
[07:41] <MagoonD> thx sidis405 i will def wait
[07:41] <fyrmedic> crdlb, That's what I thought but I saw in the #ubuntu room when I signed on yesterday a MOD that said something like 3 months.
[07:42] <Rkod> It was a fresh install anyway, but it might have something to do with wubi maybe?
[07:42] <brianlightfoot> I'm using a gusty live cd know the new xorg updates are show stoppers for me
[07:42] <crdlb> fyrmedic: dapper was only delayed by 6 weeks; I can't imagine them delaying hardy by twice that
[07:43] <Lynoure> brianlightfoot: I got around mine by restoring an old xorg.conf. Yey. But Konsole not working at all is a near-showstopper for me :(
[07:43] <MagoonD> i love gutsy, the only reason i am still running some windows machines is bec i am a .net developer
[07:43] <Lynoure> fyrmedic: yesterday was probably April Fools
[07:43] <DanaG> Keys getting stuck... that's another blocker.
[07:43]  * Adys ews at .net
[07:43] <sidis405> MagoonD: i mean, it's definitely fun.
[07:43] <fyrmedic> crdlb, I wouldn't think so.
[07:43] <brianlightfoot> I think so
[07:43] <DanaG> 11:43 Pacific Time (DST?  I don't have a clue.)
[07:44] <DanaG> PM.
[07:44] <fyrmedic> Lynoure, LOL you're right. Bet that's it. Well if so they got me.
[07:44] <crdlb> haha
[07:44] <brianlightfoot> so many show stopping bugs and less than one month to go
[07:44] <crdlb> you have to realize that the cycle is only 6 months, so 1 month is a long time
[07:45] <brianlightfoot> I hate the way xorg is going
[07:45] <crdlb> you'll love it once they get the kinks worked out
[07:45] <brianlightfoot> I hope so
[07:45] <DanaG> I hate how SHMConfig is disabled by default.
[07:46] <crdlb> DanaG: it's a huge security vulnerability apparently
[07:46] <DanaG> How the heck are you supposed to tweak touchpad settings (except in Xorg.conf)?
[07:46] <DanaG> If you put it in xorg.conf, it breaks if the touchpad loses sync.
[07:46] <DanaG> The next time the device connects, it will forget its touchpad-ey nature.
[07:46] <DanaG> And input hotplug (FDI files) are no good either, since there's no way to pass options to the Synaptics driver.
[07:47] <brianlightfoot> the things I do like though is that pulse audio is defacto standard
[07:47] <DanaG> ... with no GUI, by default.
[07:47] <DanaG> And no surround, by default.
[07:47] <DanaG> On my Audigy2, at least.
[07:47] <crdlb> baby steps
[07:47] <DanaG> And no pulse-as-default-device, either.
[07:47] <Lynoure> crdlb: backwards :(
[07:48] <crdlb> hehe
[07:48] <DanaG> It just breaks things if you do a half-assed job (excuse the swearing, but it's a strong description).
[07:48] <Lynoure> I can't believe there is not a single other kde3.5.9 user here, but I guess they are all asleep :(
[07:48] <brianlightfoot> I had a good page bookmarked to get everything working under pulse audio manually
[07:48] <DanaG> I do love PulseAudio now that I've set it up and tweaked it, though.
[07:50] <brianlightfoot> well I'm not seeing any bug reports that are open on my mouse issue
[07:50] <brianlightfoot> I guess I'll have to file one on launchpad
[08:05] <pen> avant-window-navigator is not stable with compiz fusion sometimes for transition animation like magic lamp
[08:23] <dooglus> which package contains ipw3945.ko in hardy?  apt-file won't update so I don't know how to search for it
[08:28] <harrisony> Hi im trying to get encrypted LVM with hardy on my laptop, although im getting "The test of the file system with type ext2 in partition #1 of LVM VG vg, LV root found uncorrected errors"
[08:41] <pen> hey
[08:41] <pen> anyone got the upgrade?
[08:44] <Lynoure> pen: many, ask the real question?
[08:44] <pen> Just curious, because it's a distro upgrade
[08:44] <pen> I just got it
[08:45] <Lynoure> distro upgrade? So you mean upgrade from gutsy to hardy and not within hardy?
[08:49] <savvas> pen: probably everyone here uses hardy, so either gutsy->hardy upgrade or clean install, we're all there :)
[08:49] <pen> savvas: I am using hardy, and I just got a distro upgrade :D
[08:49] <pen> maybe hardy left beta stage
[08:50] <sidis405> :| hmm
[08:50] <savvas> urm..
[08:50] <savvas> i think that's for the next distro release
[08:50] <savvas> i.. ibex something
[08:50] <orvokki> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[08:50] <pen> then I don't get it
[08:50] <pen> why distro upgrade?
[08:50] <pen> beta 1 to 2?
[08:50] <harrisony> no one likes lvm eh? :(
[08:51] <savvas> pen: simple, don't distro-upgrade if you already use hardy :)
[08:51] <pen> I didn't
[08:51] <savvas> just sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[08:51] <pen> update manager told me so
[08:51] <pen> I have no idea
[08:51] <savvas> give me a sec
[08:51] <elmargol> I think we need a gui to rollback updates :(
[08:52] <savvas> why?
[08:52] <elmargol> downgrading is a pain
[08:52] <savvas> once you pop you can't really stop elmargol :P
[08:52] <savvas> no it isn't
[08:52] <savvas> keep your /home in a separate partition, format root / and install your older release ;)
[08:52] <elmargol> I mean a security update
[08:53] <pen> brb
[08:54] <savvas> pen I don't..
[08:54] <savvas> she left darn :P
[08:55] <orvokki> savvas: Isn't it something like that safe-upgrade doesn't try to remove packages if there are dependency problems but dist-upgrade does?
[08:56] <orvokki> That is, it tries to formulate a solution for you with the dependency problem. Whether you accept it is your own choice.
[08:57] <savvas> orvokki: full-upgrade is dist-upgrade from I read
[08:58] <savvas> *from what
[08:59] <orvokki> *shrug* Aptitude terminology seems a bit vague to me.
[08:59] <savvas> http://pastebin.ca/raw/967243
[08:59] <savvas> it's all in man aptitude :P
[09:00] <orvokki> Many ways to say the same thing is usually imo bad.
[09:00] <savvas> neah, they're just trying make it easier for hands i guess
[09:00] <orvokki> Make a new term => mark the old one deprecated but still let people use it.
[09:00] <savvas> i.e. if you type sudo aptitude up<tab> it gives you update
[09:01] <savvas> and sa<tab> gives safe-upgrade
[09:01] <savvas> they did
[09:01] <savvas> try upgrade :)
[09:01] <savvas> it says it's deprecated
[09:01] <orvokki> savvas: I rather meant that dist-upgrade vs full-upgrade thing.
[09:01] <savvas> ah
[09:02] <savvas> well no argue there :)
[09:02] <orvokki> It says there that dist-upgrade is there for historical reasons. Imo it could then be marked deprecated.
[09:02] <orvokki> Anyway, I'd probably have to suggest it to aptitude devs rather than here...
[09:03] <savvas> yep
[09:03] <m1r> hello
[09:06] <m1r> i am trying to get twinview to work, but when i want apply new setting it says that : XRandR x extenstion was not found. this extension must be suported by X server and enabled for display config settings to be dynamicly applicaiable
[09:06] <m1r> what can i do to get this working ?
[09:15] <Lynoure> m1r: maybe your config just got overwritten?
[09:15] <Lynoure> m1r: just a wild guess. Then restoring the older one might help, but can be something else of course too.
[09:17] <m1r> Lynoure: havent messed with anything till now, just installed nvidia restricted drivers
[09:17] <Lynoure> m1r: me neither, but latest upgrade hosed mine, thus the guess.
[09:20] <pwuertz> good morning
[09:20] <m1r> Lynoure: i also upgraded , no problems here
[09:20] <pwuertz> after the latest update my human-murrine style is broken
[09:20]  * compwiz18 makes a mental note not to update today
[09:21] <pwuertz> also the gnome display manager has problems starting up properly
[09:21] <pwuertz> oh... you are talking about this already ;) ?
[09:22] <m1r> seems so :)
[09:23] <KalEl> is it possible to access the weather information that appears along with the clock, from command line?
[09:23] <m1r> Lynoure: you using 32 bit or 64 bit ?
[09:25] <savvas> KalEl: weather-util - command-line tool to obtain weather conditions and forecasts
[09:25] <savvas> $ apt-cache search weather :)
[09:26] <KalEl> hmm thanks! "apt-cache search", will have to remember that :)
[09:27] <savvas> remember apt-cache policy too, useful for bug reports :P
[09:39] <Lynoure> m1r: 32-bit
[09:39] <m1r> kk
[09:39] <Lynoure> m1r: sorry for the delay, got frustrated with the computer and went to do something else
[09:40] <m1r> np :)
[09:41] <m1r> just wanted to chcek, as i am on 64bit
[09:47] <m1r> seems dual monitor will wait as XRandR is not there ?!?:/
[09:48] <elbermungsterses> hello, i have a urgent problem with firefox 3 beta 4.
[09:48] <tonyyarusso> erm, I just did a bunch of updates, and now my system is slowed to a crawl, GMail won't load at all, and Network-Manager doesn't work (manual configuration through network-admin does).
[09:50] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: if it's urgent, maybe you could provide more info on the problem?
[09:51] <elbermungsterses> okay, i may need to pastebin the two error messages.
[09:51] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: sure
[09:53] <elbermungsterses> DistroJockey , http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61909/
[09:53] <elbermungsterses> it's from the firefox error console.
[09:54] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: so no java stuff works?
[09:56] <elbermungsterses> no, i can't manage my bookmarks, view history, or subscribe to feeds.
[09:56] <elbermungsterses> is it a package installation gone bad?
[09:56] <phaidros> hi, I am very confused: since an update last week my desktop is not able to run proper X with nvidia. worked nice before.
[09:57] <phaidros> now the low graphics mode starts, but only the nv driver is available in the card selection
[09:57] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: not sure if this will help, but I needed to do it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61910/
[09:57] <phaidros> (restricted modules are there and I can load nvidia by hand)
[09:58] <phaidros> even if I use backed up xorg.conf, x always comes in low graphics mode. could it be a missing package?
[09:58] <d_rwin> i am having problem with ¨(double quotes ); using 7.10 ; keyboard layout (us:int1);  cant compile c programs;  i have to press quotes twice
[09:58] <phaidros> restricted modules are there, restricted manager is there .. what else could be missing?
[10:02] <phaidros> d_rwin: this is ubuntu+1 channel, you should better ask in #ubuntu
[10:04] <d_rwin> thanks
[10:06] <teamcobra> hrm, I have sldapd running and configged on my hardy box... but now when I log into the box via NX, I get a big "Failed to Initialize HAL!" error, and gnome-panel segfaults (I believe it to be related, server was working fine until the ldap was dropped in)
[10:12] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: any luck?
[10:14] <elbermungsterses> no
[10:14] <elbermungsterses> it's not related to java
[10:15] <elbermungsterses> it's missing some kind of module
[10:15] <DistroJockey> ahh, bummer
[10:16] <DistroJockey> elbermungsterses: there wasn't really enough in your paste for me to go on (not saying that more will help me, but it might :) )
[10:17] <pen> besides wink, is there any alternative to  that?
[10:18] <DistroJockey> blink?
[10:19] <phaidros> nvidia_glx_new was missing.
[10:20] <pen> blink?
[10:20] <pen> I mean wink
[10:20] <pen> http://www.debugmode.com/wink/
[10:21] <DistroJockey> sorry pen, I have no idea what wink is and was being silly
[10:23] <teamcobra> this is my hal error, if anyone can help: *** [DIE] hald.c:main():785 : Could not init PolicyKit context: (null)
[10:25] <tomahasamoot2> I've got 4 kde4 packages that say upgradable, but that say they'll "BRAKE" if installed
[10:25] <Arelis> Since Hardy Heron is only 23 days away, would it hurt to install the "Beta"? Is there going to be a Release Candidate, or is it Beta->Final
[10:25] <tomahasamoot2> also, on kde4, konsol didn't work.... but I just upgraded, so it could work now
[10:26] <orthodoc> system monitor shows only one processor active. my lappy has a dual core...
[10:28] <DistroJockey> Arelis: people have said that upgrading from beta will be ok, but I never upgrade (prefer fresh installs)
[10:29] <DistroJockey> and 22 days now :)
[10:30] <Sep1> Ok, the new kernel headers have fucked everything up for me.
[10:31] <Sep1> It also looks like the update removed some of my themes, my screen resolution is screwed even when using the old headers, and when using the new headers, I'm forced to use safe graphic mode :s
[10:32] <Sep1> Anyone here?
[10:32] <orthodoc> Sep1: I suggest you install the linux-ubuntu-backports. THis may solve a number of your problems...
[10:33] <Sep1> What's in the package?
[10:38] <KingOfDos|lap> why is the systemsettings with kubuntu 8.04 not working properly? when i get the kdesu asking for a password. that's working. but after this the "administrator mode" is disabled again
[10:39] <KingOfDos|lap> i've got this problem on a desktop with the Display settings. And on my laptop with the networksettings (the thing from system tray)
[10:40] <KingOfDos|lap> after running -> kdesu -u root /usr/bin/kcmshell Peripherals/displayconfig <- for about 3 or 4 times. i get the settings with root access
[10:41] <KingOfDos|lap> is this a specific kde/kubuntu problem, or more for ubuntu 8.04 (beta) in general?
[10:46] <tomahasamoot2> KingOfDos|lap: I've had the same problem, I have to use 'sudo ...' from the consol.  Alotho, I tried kde4, and it work there (but many other things don't work in kde4, considar kde4 an alpha, tech preview).
[10:49] <KingOfDos|lap> tomahasamoot2: i know that it's a preview/unstable. so it's not running in production.
[10:50] <mib_c1zei1cn> i need some help
[10:50] <tomahasamoot2> KingOfDos|lap: I should say that the comment about sudo is in reference to kde3.5
[10:50] <mib_c1zei1cn> i need some help......
[10:51] <DistroJockey> !ask | mib_c1zei1cn
[10:51] <ubotu> mib_c1zei1cn: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[10:51] <mib_c1zei1cn> ok then...
[10:52] <mib_c1zei1cn> i have installed ubuntuserver edition onto my other computer but it is textbased, now the compuiter will not allow me to install other versions of ubuntu to replace it
[10:52] <mib_c1zei1cn> what can i do?
[10:53] <DistroJockey> mib_c1zei1cn:  from say an alternate ubuntu disk?
[10:53] <mib_c1zei1cn> yes
[10:54] <DistroJockey> mib_c1zei1cn: as in wipe and repartition?
[10:54] <mib_c1zei1cn> huh?
[10:54] <DistroJockey> you said replace, I assume that means you can wipe the partitions and start again?
[10:55] <mib_c1zei1cn> i would like to replace the version currently installed, with kubuntu desktop edition
[10:55] <mib_c1zei1cn> (gutsy)
[10:56] <DistroJockey> apt-get install kubuntu-base  on the server version (or something like that) may do what you need
[10:56] <mib_c1zei1cn> the server edition i have currently is ubuntu
[10:57] <DistroJockey> not sure if that package name is right
[10:57] <DistroJockey> you should be able to get X and gnome on it if that's what you are after
[10:58] <mib_c1zei1cn> i am after installing kubuntu desktop (gutsy) to replace the existing ubuntu server (textbased)
[10:58] <Ng> mib_c1zei1cn: you can install ubuntu-desktop to get the default gnome ubuntu desktop, or kubuntu-desktop to get KDE, or xubuntu-desktop
[10:58] <mib_c1zei1cn> where can i install that from?
[10:59] <mib_c1zei1cn> download and burn?
[10:59] <DistroJockey> Ng: ahh, I thought I was close, cheers :)
[10:59] <Ng> mib_c1zei1cn: if the machine is on the internet you can just do "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and it will download a few hundred megabytes of packages and install them
[11:00] <Exilant> hm, bad kwallet, nothing but trouble *sigh*
[11:00] <Sep1> Ok, I installed backports, but I'm still being forced to use the vesa driver instead of nvidia-glx-new. I also tried uninstalling nvidia-glx-new and replacing it with nvidia-glx,  but to no avail.
[11:00] <mib_c1zei1cn> it is not connected to the internet
[11:00] <mib_c1zei1cn> i am on a different computer currently
[11:00] <DistroJockey> Ng: ubuntu-base does exist though? and it's smaller but gives X?
[11:00] <orvokki> Sep1: i386 or amd64?
[11:00] <Sep1> amd64
[11:01] <Ng> DistroJockey: there's ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal, neither of which provide X ;)
[11:01] <DistroJockey> Ng: ahh, k, thanks :)
[11:01] <Ng> mib_c1zei1cn: well if you don't want to do a fresh reinstall, you could download and burn the alternate install CD and use that as an apt repository
[11:02] <Sep1> help?
[11:02] <Sep1> :'(
[11:02] <mib_c1zei1cn> i have tried that (burning the alternative install for kubuntu) but all it does is make loads of noise then go to normal boot
[11:03] <Ng> ango: will the computer boot from other CDs? they don't always burn properly
[11:03] <birmaan> morning
[11:04] <orvokki> Sep1: Can you use shell without x? I'd want you to try something.
[11:04] <Sep1> Yes.
[11:04] <Sep1> Good morning.
[11:04] <Ng> ango: but you can still do it after you've booted the server install, there's a tool called apt-cdrom that will let you use a CD as a source of packages
[11:04] <ango> it will burn from the cd that was posted to me
[11:04] <ango> *install
[11:04] <ango> but not from any others
[11:05] <Sep1> orvokki, you there?
[11:05] <orvokki> Sep1: Firstly /etc/init.d/gdm stop.  Tell me if it says you have a conflict between 169.* Xorg and an older kernel module. Then /etc/init.d/gdm start.
[11:05] <Ng> ango: it may be a problem with the burning then. maybe try burning at a slower speed?
[11:05] <ango> how would i do that...
[11:05] <ango> i use nero for burning
[11:05] <zniavre> hello
[11:05] <Sep1> How do I start X?
[11:05] <orvokki> Sep1: I couldn't get Nvidia to work either with nvidia-glx-new and amd64.
[11:05] <zniavre> startx
[11:06] <orvokki> NO.
[11:06] <orvokki> Oops, sorry.
[11:06] <orvokki> Didn't mean to shout.
[11:06] <orvokki> Sep1: The command is X.
[11:06] <zniavre> sorry
[11:06] <Sep1> Lol. Easy as pie, then. brb, anything else?
[11:06] <orvokki> Nothing really. I just want to see if you have the same problem as I do.
[11:06] <zniavre> i got worries with samba
[11:07] <orvokki> If you do, a temporary solution would be to run the NVIDIA-installer by Nvidia.
[11:07] <zniavre> as everybody ?
[11:07] <orvokki> But this should really be reported if you are.
[11:10] <Sep1> back
[11:11] <ango> everything has to be done by cd because there is no internet connection
[11:11] <Sep1> I got nothing like that. It told me it encountered a fatal error because there was no NVIDIA kernel...
[11:11] <ango> unless...
[11:11] <ango> i brought the computer down here
[11:11] <ango> and tried re-installing it with the connection
[11:11] <ango> via cables
[11:11] <ango> brb
[11:13] <Sep1> Hello?
[11:13] <ty> anyone got any idea why browsing through network shares would be really slow?
[11:14] <Sep1> It said something like FATAL: No NVIDA kernell detected. Or something like that.
[11:14] <Sep1> *NVIDIA
[11:14] <teamcobra> ty: not sure, I was maxing out at 6k/s yesterday over a local wifi network
[11:14] <teamcobra> sleeping now...
[11:14] <teamcobra> night all
[11:14] <Sep1> ty: I started a thread in the Hardy forum with the username NCLI, try looking there.
[11:19] <ango> oh darn, i have lost the cd drive
[11:19] <ango> well, i will have to fix my desktop PC instead
[11:21] <ango> can someone give me a link for the download page for the kde addon
[11:21] <ango> please
[11:21] <ty> Sep1: thanks for that but when i download i get full speed its only accessing my network shares on the xp machine i have the same result over ethernet too
[11:22] <ango> i really need it
[11:26] <Hamra> approximatly how much gets downloaded when upgrading to hardy?
[11:26] <teamcobra> can someone help me fix my policykit/hal? I'm not going to have kvm over ip much longer, would like to get everything fixed before it gets pulled from my box :/
[11:26] <ango> .................................................................................
[11:27] <ango> is there another donload that will make my existing version gusty gibbon?
[11:27] <ango> *gutsy
[11:28] <rsk> um?
[11:28] <Hamra> what version are you using ango?
[11:28] <ango> ubuntu server ed
[11:28] <ango> textbased
[11:30] <teamcobra> ango: does apt-get install ubuntu-desktop help?
[11:30] <ango> it's not connected to the internet
[11:31] <savvas> heh
[11:31] <teamcobra> ahh
[11:31] <ango> i need to find the link for the download and then do the whole disc burning thingy
[11:31] <teamcobra> brb
[11:32] <savvas> ango: make a temporary directory
[11:33] <ango> a what?
[11:33] <savvas> ango: sudo aptitude download ubuntu-desktop && sudo aptitude download `apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop | grep Depends: | sed -e 's/  Depends: //' | xargs`
[11:33] <savvas> a temporary directory
[11:33] <ango> in english
[11:33] <savvas> then transfer the files on your server
[11:33] <Exilant> there will be problems with that
[11:33] <savvas> temporary folder = a folder that you will use for a short time only :)
[11:33] <Exilant> the packet list on the server is outdated if existant
[11:34] <ango> yes, but where...
[11:34] <ango> this computer, i am not meant to be on...
[11:34] <savvas> ango: you have physical access on your server right?
[11:34] <ango> i only use my external hard-drive, will that work?
[11:34] <ango> brb
[11:35] <savvas> sure
[11:36] <savvas> i wonder why he quit to connect a hard drive :P
[11:36] <Exilant> why don't you just hook it up to the internet?
[11:36] <Exilant> hm, too late
[11:37] <savvas> why on earth does he have a hardy server without an internet connection in the first place :p
[11:37] <Exilant> yes, weird indeed
[11:41] <dredhammer> how do i configure my mouse in hardy? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't seem to have mouse settings anymore
[11:43] <Finnish>  Who can give me advice on setting Buffalo WHR-G125-wlan station
[11:45] <teamcobra> any amd64 users in the house?
[11:46] <Lamego> savvas, intranet server ?
[11:47] <m1r> y teamcobra
[11:47] <teamcobra> because I think the amd64 policykit package from yesterday broke stuff
[11:48] <teamcobra> matter of fact, I just confirmed it myself
[11:48] <m1r> how u confirmed ? i can try ?
[11:48] <teamcobra> I just downgraded to the package earlier
[11:48] <teamcobra> you don't wanna try
[11:49] <m1r> ok )
[11:49] <teamcobra> it'll piss you off ;)
[11:49] <m1r> :)
[11:49] <teamcobra> policykit_0.7-2ubuntu6_amd64.deb is BROKEN, policykit_0.7-2ubuntu5_amd64.deb fixes it..... note to everyone ;)
[11:51] <m1r> how can i set higher resolution for image in virtual box ?
[11:51] <teamcobra> I still get a hal error, but now at least panel doesn't crash
[11:51] <teamcobra> m1r: install the guest additions in vbox :)
[11:51] <m1r> i did
[11:52] <m1r> it DLthem and nothing hapened
[11:52] <m1r> now when i press install , nothing happens
[11:52] <teamcobra> hrmmm, that's odd
[11:52] <m1r> yes
[11:52] <teamcobra> windows guest vm?
[11:52] <teamcobra> or is it linux
[11:52] <m1r> xp sp2
[11:52] <teamcobra> extra-weird....  the guest additions take a while to install
[11:53] <teamcobra> make sure no other cdroms are mounted
[11:53] <teamcobra> and try clicking the install virtualbox tools option in the menu again, to remount the iso
[11:53] <m1r> they DL , then it ask if i want mount, but vbox crashed
[11:53] <teamcobra> hrmmmm......
[11:53] <m1r> after that nothing, no sign of guest additions
[11:54] <m1r> ussualy they should install and show up in xp taskbar
[11:54] <m1r> but this time asked for mount, crashed , and nothing
[11:55] <m1r> i try reboot all
[11:56] <teamcobra> running the ose version, or the free-but-not-gpl one?
[11:57] <teamcobra> if running ose, try the one from their site, I've gotten it working w/ guest additions and xpsp2 guest here
[11:57] <m1r> ose
[11:57] <teamcobra> not sure if the ose version handles the guest additions differently, it might
[11:57] <teamcobra> and at least you'll gain usb support ;)
[11:57] <m1r> that i dont need
[12:01] <teamcobra> m1r: not sure, to be honest..... I'll keep digging around
[12:02] <teamcobra> btw, re the policykit fiasco, rebooting did indeed fix the hal error on login as well... someone should probably topic it, else there will be a lot of pissed amd64 users this afternoon ;)
[12:03] <m1r> :)
[12:03] <hype> Hi all! I cant get sound from my intel macmini
[12:03] <ccooke> teamcobra: fiasco?
[12:04] <teamcobra> ccooke: yeah, it breaks hal and everything that depends on it (causes segfaults in gnome-panel for instance, thus thrashing top and bottom panel)
[12:04] <enyc> Hrrm virtualbox-ose hardy version (appears) to have trouble with 'seamless desktop integration'
[12:05] <teamcobra> it's a problem with the amd64 policykit_0.7-2ubuntu6_amd64.deb package, downgrading to policykit_0.7-2ubuntu5_amd64.deb fixes it
[12:10] <hype> anyone?
[12:11] <enyc> but then i've been using the hardy source package for virtualbox-ose, rebuilt on gutsy, and usind it to build a new 'vboxdrv.ko' fie too, that works on gutsy
[12:12] <nomasteryoda> enyc, using compiz at same time does cause issues with virtualbox, even the "free for personal use"
[12:12] <enyc> nomasteryoda: ok but not using that
[12:13] <nomasteryoda> that version you can download from virtualbox/sun's site
[12:13] <nomasteryoda> includes usb support
[12:17] <mqtt_> hi, i'm having this bug since upgrade : at first login (autologin via gdm), my keyboard (french) works as if the Alt Gr key was stuck: when I type an e, i get a € etc... After logout/login again, it works normally.
[12:17] <mqtt_> Are you aware of this bug or should I file a new one?
[12:17] <edgy> Hi, mplayer works but smplayer and other qt/kde-based apps don't give sound, what's the problem, please?
[12:20] <mqtt_> edgy, try to find out what audio output is used by mplayer (-ao option) and smplayer
[12:20] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, you there ?
[12:20] <mqtt_> edgy, it should be set up to pulseaudio
[12:21] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: hey
[12:21] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, maybe you know whatś going on on my system, or should I repeat question ?
[12:21] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: best to repeat it
[12:22] <Leeuw>  DistroJockey, OK:get no welcome screen anymore, just login XDMCP (like VNC ?), no servers, try machine-name, no go
[12:23] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, maybe something changed in .login script ?
[12:23] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, as in only remote login or something ?
[12:23] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: my face went blank
[12:23] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  ????
[12:23] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: as in I have no idea
[12:24] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, gettit, should I repeat with no name, or just wait ? (just my3d X-chat session)
[12:24] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you upgraded from 7.10?
[12:25] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you are on 8.04 beta atm right?
[12:25] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, no, fresh install, worked fine; I think I fiddled with startup-parametrs in desktop (system0menu, startup screen) is there option to switch off local login or something that I accidentally marked ?
[12:26] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, yep, 8.04, da big birdy
[12:26] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:26] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, very new build (4 days or so)
[12:26] <edgy> when I launch mplayer there is a message of AO: [pulse] Failed to connect to server: Connection refused
[12:27] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: and you can't get into GDM?
[12:28] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry, I see that you can't
[12:28] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  thatsit, I get strange window, sez login XDMCP, I googled, is some remote thing to login on other machine; I have no other machine (connected that is)
[12:28] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, or KDM, or XFce
[12:29] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I like dif flavourz ;-)
[12:29] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: I'm not very good in this area
[12:29] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry
[12:30] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, was running fine, have new build, won mind new instaal, but can t get in; not even with live cd to save home-partition; sez no mount, user owner is 999, live user is 0 (root ?!?!)
[12:31] <Leeuw> anyone understand login problem: no welcome screen just window XDMCP-login ?
[12:32] <Leeuw> maybe not particular hardy problem, probably goof-up tweaking startup-screen with system-menu...
[12:33] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: maybe chown is worth looking at?
[12:34] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, hm, fill me in please, rings a bel but ehm...
[12:34] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: man chown    in a terminal
[12:34] <Leeuw> dis oh yeah, change owner, you mean to save home-part ?
[12:35] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, oh yeah, change owner, you mean to save home-part ? (forgot tab key)
[12:35] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: not sure what you mean there, but chown will change a directory to you if you want
[12:36] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, but I can't even mount the disk..
[12:36] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: ohh
[12:37] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I see, I mixed up chown with changing the user
[12:37] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  as in sudo (sortof)
[12:38] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you're losing me, maybe as I am losing you ;)
[12:38] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I see I'm getting vague here, I gave up to try start system, just go on with new install (have newer build anyway already burned on cd), but want to save home-dir, making sense now ?
[12:40] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: I would just copy what you need to a different hard drive
[12:40] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, and: can't acces / - partition (where home is, alas, one of the reasons I go new install, give home own partition the easy way) to save my mail & settingz
[12:40] <Dr_willis> its handy to keep home in its own partition or hard drive.
[12:41] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, eh, yeah, thatś the problem... (as you prob get by now)
[12:42] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry, I'm fading fast. IT support by day and now I'm doing it at night but the wine has kicked in. Sorry
[12:42] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, I kannae change da laws of physics !   If I push these engines any further they ĺl blow !) frustration of a scotty-magnitude here...
[12:42] <DistroJockey> hehe
[12:43] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, not your fault... Maybe I should stack to alpha's...
[12:43] <DistroJockey> I do work with the Physics people
[12:43] <DistroJockey> and Chemistry
[12:43] <DistroJockey> :)
[12:44] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: 22 days and all will be good
[12:44] <Leeuw> as in eh... CH3OH ?
[12:45] <DistroJockey> as in Hardy will be released
[12:45] <Leeuw> DistroJockey,  yeah, probably...  Think I'l just give up, do my new installl, forget about the 3 days of mail (nothing interesting), and go IMAP until I get ity all sorted out...
[12:46] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: sorry I couldn't help more
[12:46] <DistroJockey> still learning also
[12:47] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, never mind, is no neck-breaker anyway (else I wouldn have gone beta); thanx for yer time anyway !
[12:47] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: nods :) you're welcome
[12:48] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you can't mount your drive that has your data?
[12:49] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, you have any idea what's up with not being able to get into /home from live-cd ? (not a separate part yet, boohoo)
[12:49] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, yeah.
[12:50] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, or / for that matter
[12:50] <Dr_willis> Leeuw,  you mounted the installed hard drive?
[12:50] <Dr_willis> the live cd may not be auto mounting the isntalled systems filesystem.
[12:51] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, I started live CD, hard drive is mounted, but can't acces / part, sez owner=999, live-cd user =0 (root, no ?)
[12:51] <Plantain> Hey, I've got no audio with an upgrade to hardy, any ideas what could be wrong? (855GM chipset, ICH4 Intel AC'97)
[12:52] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, no, itś not, but if I try to do so, it gives the above...
[12:53] <DistroJockey> Dr_willis: 999 seems odd, is that normal?
[12:54] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, Dr_willis, it got me baffled, never happened like that...
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Leeuw,  access it as root perhaps?
[12:54] <Dr_willis> Ive seen this 999 error mentioned befor. but never looked into it
[12:54] <Dr_willis> mount it, use sudo in the shell, to access/copy stuff over.. I guess. :)
[12:54] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, Tried, same thing... hardy-bug ?
[12:54] <DistroJockey> never seen or looked into it here
[12:55] <Leeuw> Dr_ no wait, I used Gutsy-live (Kubu)
[12:55] <Dr_willis> No idea on that. I rarely mess with the live cd. - Try some other disrto live cd.. try mounting it manualy, not using the gui.
[12:55] <Dr_willis> check the output of the mount command, It may be its getting mounted weirdly
[12:55] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, no wait, I used Gutsy-live (Kubu) (forgot tab again)
[12:56] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, good idea, I got some Knoppix-live stuff, will try that by the way, I can't even get in with ext2 for windoze...
[12:58] <Leeuw> Dr_willis,  please explain output of mount-command, I m to much of a lazy 'used-to-automount" person...
[12:58] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: maybe a: sudo umount /what/ever   then a   sudo mkdir /mnt/test && mount /dev/sd?? /mnt/test   (replace ?? with something appropriate)
[12:59] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, why ?
[12:59] <Leeuw> DistroJockey, to see if disk-integrity is OK ?
[12:59] <Dr_willis> thats how you MOUNT it manually. :)
[12:59] <Leeuw> that I know (just about0
[12:59] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: to check paths mainly I guess
[12:59] <Leeuw> hm
[13:00] <Dr_willis> its possible the thing needs fscked, or similer. i guess
[13:01] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, yeah, but first I need to get in, right ?  ;-P
[13:01] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: you can probably ignore the umount part of my previous post
[13:01] <Dr_willis> get in? You mount the filesystem, then you 'get in' to it.
[13:02] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, I'm running circles, gonna try the knoppix, tha the mount stuff, then get back   Action !
[13:02] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, DistroJockey any more suggestions ?
[13:03] <Dr_willis> if you dont know how to manually mount a filesystem,, i would suggest learning how. :)
[13:03] <Dr_willis> it takes all of 10 sec to test. heh
[13:03] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/whateverthedeviceis /media/pickanameforamountpoint
[13:04] <DistroJockey> Leeuw: not really
[13:04] <Dr_willis> that may tell you stuff faster then trying knoppix.
[13:04] <savvas> anyone tried the new flashplugin-nonfree?
[13:04] <DistroJockey> savvas: new?
[13:04] <savvas>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu4
[13:04] <savvas>   Candidate: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu5
[13:05] <DistroJockey> savvas: got a command I can check that with?
[13:05] <savvas> apt-cache policy package :)
[13:05] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, you're so right... I did it many times inthe past of edgy distro's (and I don mean Eft); Mandrake, SUSE, Red Hat (faky windoze), and what else, but it's long time since...   All these distro's gathered dust on my HD, until... Ubvunut; it ś really the first distro I recommend to others, but this revives old  LINUX-  memories...
[13:06] <chombee> I see the human-clearlooks theme has just disappeared from hardy. Anyone know where I can get it back? Is this it? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Human-Clearlooks?content=67154&PHPSESSID=6
[13:06] <DistroJockey> savvas: thanks for the pointer. And no I havn't :)
[13:06] <Leeuw> Dr_willis, My penalty for going beta. I GUESS
[13:06] <Dr_willis> first thing i 'teach' my newbie linux friends at work is how to manually mount  their drives/filesystems, and how fstab defines the things.. that way they know whats going on.
[13:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:07] <savvas> DistroJockey: n/p ;)
[13:07] <savvas> waiting for a victim to try it out :P
[13:07] <Dr_willis> 333 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 452MB of archives.
[13:07] <SErge> hi
[13:07] <Dr_willis> Weee! :)
[13:07] <DistroJockey> savvas: I'll bite. Commands?
[13:07] <savvas> heh