[05:37] <pepperpot> what's a good mail notification program for mutt users?
[05:37] <goldfish> bitfoo: how did u get that?
[05:37] <Dreamer3> ushooz: ok, that's kinda crazy
[05:38] <ushooz> Dreamer3, nope. this is Evolutions exchange plugin fault
[05:38] <Oscarian> i just wanted to find out if i can set up 3d with my ati radeon 9200.  i want to play a game i have using cedega, but it's bombing out.
[05:38] <Dreamer3> ushooz: is this after prolonged use? surely a bug
[05:38] <trey3> neom: 'custom' at the installer prompt
[05:38] <ushooz> Dreamer3, no biggie, I will just use OWA via Web until it is resolved :)
[05:38] <crimsun> neom: install another environment that has a session file, like xfce4 or kde.  I've seen 14 yo's in here...
[05:40] <neom> sry
[05:40] <pepperpot> cussing bad
[05:40] <pepperpot> naked people good
[05:40] <neom> So swearing is bad but p0rn is fine. :D
[05:40] <bitfoo> goldfish i dunno i just found that wav somewhere :|
[05:41] <pepperpot> neom: not porn. tasteful nudes
[05:41] <Dreamer3> i can't force my views on anyone here :)
[05:41] <neom> I see.
[05:41] <goldfish> bitfoo: Is there a setting to set the wav?
[05:41] <goldfish> like for mail notification?
[05:41] <pepperpot> respectful of people's beauty, inner and outer
[05:41] <pussfeller> lol taseful nudes
[05:43] <bitfoo> yes
[05:43] <bitfoo> its under preferences
[05:43] <Dreamer3> so
[05:43] <pepperpot> bitfoo: are you talking about evolution?
[05:43] <Dreamer3> anyone here come over from debian and enjoying it more?
[05:43] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: me
[05:43] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: what's better?
[05:43] <trey3> Dreamer3: yup...
[05:43] <goldfish> ah yes, sound events
[05:43] <bitfoo> oh sorry im talking about thundrebird
[05:43] <alainm> Dreamer3:yes
[05:43] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: it's much nicer out of the box
[05:44] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: ok, that's a given :)
[05:44] <el_ZaHIa> hi, i'm using warty , what are the repositorys por hoary ? i want to upgrade
[05:44] <regeya> Dreamer3: Had switched from Gentoo, briefly to Debian Unstable, then to Ubuntu.  Very little work to get it to my frankenstein's-monster setup now. ;-)
[05:44] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: but if i have a nice debian system setup perfect, why might i want ubunut? :)
[05:44] <trey3> Dreamer3: More up to date software, without having to play with Experimental... less anal-retentive people  :)
[05:44] <regeya> hahaha
[05:45] <Dreamer3> my mom's computer is going to be the first to try ubuntu, but it's taking it's time getting here
[05:45] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: I wouldn't. But my debian setup (sid) was getting really fux0red after many a year. Firefox would not run properly. I tried a fresh install of sarge on a partition and it was so primitive, it would have taken forever to get it up to speed. Ubuntu is like a big headstart.
[05:46] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: how did you find sarge primitive?
[05:46] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: are you refering to apps, or just OTB experience/
[05:46] <trey3> Dreamer3: OTB?
[05:46] <Dreamer3> trey3: out of the box
[05:46] <trey3> ohhh
[05:47] <regeya> pepperpot: same here, sorta; or rather, debian is very much server-oriented, and while it can be whipped into submission, it takes some work.  Nice to have some dedicated devs on the ubuntu project doing that these days. :-)
[05:47] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: alsa, nvidia glx, growisofs
[05:47] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: hmmm
[05:47] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: palm pilot, udev
[05:47] <unperson> Dreamer3, Wait, you're saying the Ubuntu community is like the Gentoo community?
[05:48] <pepperpot> Dreamer3: all stuff that i can and have set up on debian, ubuntu saves me several hours doing that
[05:48] <trey3> pepperpot: most of what you just said just means you didn't hit 'linux26' at the installer prompt  :/
[05:48] <Dreamer3> unperson: i think so, unless i'm mistaken... gentoo (at least a year ago) was a fun, helpful place where everyone acontributed
[05:48] <neom> Does anyone know if open office can import qattro pro files?
[05:48] <jasonf> neom: it cannot
[05:48] <neom> k
[05:49] <jasonf> neom: at least not officially
[05:49] <neom> why?
[05:49] <Dreamer3> trey3: good point... i always make sure when installed debian to boot the latest kernel :)
[05:49] <jasonf> neom: there may be some other converter
[05:49] <pepperpot> trey3: the sarge installer prompt?
[05:49] <jasonf> neom: because you haven't written it yet
[05:49] <neom> oh
[05:49] <trey3> pepperpot: yeah...
[05:49] <neom> Good reason. :D
[05:49] <pepperpot> shit...
[05:49] <trey3> Dreamer3: eh... its usually out of date anyways... usually just upgrade it later as I upgrade to Sid  ;)
[05:50] <pepperpot> bye
[05:50] <unperson> Dreamer3, Ah, perhaps.  To me it seems very different.  Ubuntu seems to be more practical, computer as a tool kind of outlook, whereas Gentoo is more computer as hobby (or religion?).
[05:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: yeah, i always build kernels from source
[05:50] <pepperpot> actually I was running 2.6.10 from source
[05:50] <Dreamer3> unperson: yeah, eventually the source downloads and compiling were just too much for me :)
[05:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: I sooo would... cept my CPU is crap   :/
[05:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: that's what nice is for ;-)
[05:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: takes like 2 1/2 - 3 hours to compile a kernel  :/
[05:50] <unperson> Dreamer3, With Ubuntu it seems like the idea is to make everything easy and "just work" where possible.  Talking to Gentoo people the first thing always seems to be "ok, first you recompile you kernel..."
[05:51] <Dreamer3> unperson: no, compiling kernel is kind of last, but i know your point :)
[05:51] <regeya> unperson: considering that the gentoo crows seems to think that portage is near-perfect before reverse-deps handling is ready...
[05:51] <Dwayne_> okay
[05:51] <regeya> ...I'd say religion.
[05:51] <Dwayne_> i get this option
[05:51] <Dwayne_> "use kernal framebuffer ~ yes or no"
[05:51] <Dwayne_> what do i pick?
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: did you read the help?
[05:51] <pussfeller> portage is the first package manager i used that actually worked
[05:51] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: it almost always has useful suggestions
[05:52] <be80be> doom 3 any 1 tryed it
[05:52] <Dwayne_> ahh
[05:52] <steve> can anyone tell me how to hibernate my laptop in linux
[05:52] <Dwayne_> it said its safe to keep it on :\
[05:52] <Dreamer3> steve: hibernate or suspend?
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: then try taht
[05:52] <regeya> pussfeller, I think they should take a cue from the FreeBSD crowd; have a system that builds, then take something like portupgrade and use that ;-)
[05:52] <steve> hiberanate
[05:52] <unperson> I'm not trying to necessarily bash on Gentoo.  It seems like a cool idea, just not for me.
[05:52] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: i think the first few kernel building should be experience anyways :)
[05:52] <Dreamer3> unperson: it got me started... did it for over a year
[05:53] <Dreamer3> steve: do you already have the hibernate parition setup (ie, from windows util or whateveR)?
[05:53] <Dreamer3> steve: or you want to do software hibernate?
[05:53] <regeya> at the time I started using gentoo, it was the most-untainted source of software, other than slack, imho.
[05:53] <steve> I do beleive so, you tell me how to check and which I would use
[05:53] <unperson> pussfeller, For me apt has always worked like a dream.
[05:53] <Dreamer3> steve: software hibernate (not called that IIRC) is experimental
[05:53] <steve> okay
[05:54] <steve> how do I check for the partition setup
[05:54] <Dreamer3> steve: not a bad idea if your laptop supports it in hardware to setup a hibernate partition and use apm or ACPI with the right options
[05:54] <Dreamer3> steve: did you reparition yourself with linux?
[05:54] <regeya> plus I had used freebsd, dug the ports concept and went with it.  it hasn't grown significantly since I first started using it, though.  ah, well.
[05:54] <steve> it was already done from before
[05:54] <Dreamer3> regeya: you using freebsd you said?
[05:54] <Dreamer3> steve: so you left it intact?
[05:54] <regeya> Dreamer3, I have, but long enough ago I can't give you a good opinion.
[05:54] <steve> yeaph
[05:55] <regeya> as in, I used it before 5 came out.
[05:55] <steve> I have a home, swap, and root
[05:55] <Dreamer3> steve: i don't know, never had to setup hibernate on my laptop
[05:55] <Dreamer3> steve: apm doesn't take a hibernate option
[05:55] <Dreamer3> steve: acpi might, but i'm new with that
[05:56] <deang> Hiya.  Anyone care that the new Live CD didn't jive well with the video card on my Dell Inpsiron 5000e?
[05:56] <steve> what I really want is to close the lid and have it shut off till I come back and open it
[05:56] <regeya> Dreamer3, one thing I liked was reverse-dep handling; the ability to take a convenience tool like portupgrade and when, say, libpng did a binary-incompatible change, I coudl rebuild everything that depended on libpng.  that was sweet.  I couldn't justify using freebsd-as-desktop just for that dep handling.
[05:56] <Dreamer3> regeya: debian you get that for free ;-)
[05:56] <TheMuso> deang: What video chipset is it?
[05:56] <pussfeller> yeah gentoo could use a more n00b friendly install
[05:57] <pussfeller> they hard terrible battles over a gui installer
[05:57] <TheMuso> deang: Is this the latest Hoary live CD you are talking about/
[05:57] <Dreamer3> steve: yeah... and what does it do now?
[05:57] <steve> well, it will turn the screen off, but the computer and battery still go
[05:57] <syn-ack> pussfeller: Gentoo is not meant for a "n00b"
[05:57] <Dreamer3> steve: try setting up acpi or apm... my laptop would automatically suspend when i closed the lid with APM
[05:57] <LucidVisions> pussfeller: vidalinux is a gentoo stage3 install with anaconda as the graphical installer,its great
[05:57] <steve> sorry, but how will I go about it
[05:57] <regeya> oh, the anaconda port, pussfeller?  that was a great idea....and LucidVisions just made my next point. :-}
[05:58] <steve> kind of new to this part
[05:58] <Dreamer3> steve: i'd look for a apm-how-to or some such, not sure of the ubuntu way
[05:58] <steve> okay, thanks
[05:58] <Dreamer3> check the forums? or maybe someone else will pipe up
[06:00] <pussfeller> wow that anaconda port has come along way
[06:04] <LinkMasterSab> Blah, when I upgraded to Gaim 1.1.2, it stopped connecting to MSN
[06:04] <Dwayne_> okay
[06:04] <Dwayne_> i'm having MAJOR problems
[06:05] <Dwayne_> i've been trying to get ubuntu to work for 4hrs!
[06:05] <LinkMasterSab> I asked on #gaim and they couldn't help me either
[06:05] <Oscarian> is anyone here up up with getting 3d to work with an ati card?
[06:05] <pussfeller> how do you change nautilus back to the sane way of opening folders
[06:06] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: sounds like a gaim problem
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> pussfeller, what's the sane way? :o
[06:06] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: go back to the older version
[06:06] <pussfeller> heh
[06:06] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: why?
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> Plenty of people have told me they have it working on the new one
[06:06] <be80be> you have a bad cd ?
[06:06] <Dreamer3> pussfeller: in gconf somewhere
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> How could I regress back?
[06:06] <Dreamer3> pussfeller: google will know
[06:06] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: /var/cache/apt i'd say... locating and install an old versoin
[06:06] <LinkMasterSab> Ah.
[06:06] <regeya> if this works with kino, I'm sending a sternly-written email to the kino ahtuors...
[06:07] <regeya> authors, even...
[06:07] <Dwayne_> dreamet3, i am configuring xserver okay? well i get to Color Depth and i select 24bit, so i hit enter and shell loads at the bottom of the screen
[06:07] <regeya> as far as I can tell, all that's required to get audio sync working for us ntsc users is to pass -F 4 to mpeg2enc
[06:07] <Dwayne_> so i gotta do it all over again and it wont let me hit OK on Color Depth
[06:07] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: i don't know...
[06:08] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: retry and pick something more conserative?
[06:08] <Dwayne_> ?
[06:08] <regeya> and that should be an easy addition, and further, people on the kino forums have been trying to figure out what to do to the *audio track* to get it to work right.
[06:08] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: is this installing, or what?
[06:08] <bj_> hi dudes, quick question.
[06:08] <bj_> when is usplash going to be iimplemented
[06:08] <Dreamer3> bj_: what's that?
[06:08] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: Where are the packages that the installation CD installs?
[06:08] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: i don't know
[06:08] <bj_> boot splash
[06:08] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: search for .deb files
[06:09] <Dreamer3> bj_: you can prolly compile it in yourself
[06:09] <Dreamer3> bj_: but to answer your first question, no idea
[06:09] <be80be> how do find out what module eth0 is using?
[06:09] <bj_> yeah, but usplash is some new jawn the ubuntu devs are working on
[06:09] <Dreamer3> be80be: i usually lsmod and deduce
[06:10] <be80be> it dosnt list 1 for eth0
[06:10] <Dreamer3> be80be: then it must be compiled in
[06:10] <Dwayne_> yeah yeah
[06:10] <Dreamer3> be80be: try looking at dmesg output
[06:10] <Dwayne_> i got it
[06:10] <Dwayne_> i made it 16bit
[06:11] <Dwayne_> but my resolution is like 800x600
[06:11] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: great
[06:11] <Dwayne_> and i want it bigger
[06:11] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: what video card?
[06:11] <Dwayne_> onboard ;\
[06:11] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: which is what?
[06:11] <hikaru79> Anyone here have WINE experience?
[06:11] <hikaru79> I'm running Photoshop under WINE
[06:11] <hikaru79> But I can't seem to add any text because all of the fonts say that no system font could be found
[06:11] <Dreamer3> hikaru79: yeah, it played D2 way better than i ever though it would years ago
[06:11] <Dwayne_> Bullet	Integrated Intel Extreme 3D Graphics
[06:11] <encryptio> i've got absolutely nothing running under wine
[06:12] <hikaru79> Even the one one font that IS in the windows/fonts/ directory
[06:12] <Dreamer3> Dwayne_: don't know
[06:14] <be80be> powernow-k8: BIOS error - no PSB what this mean
[06:15] <be80be> you all quit
[06:16] <u404> i am installing ubuntu, and now formatting the partitions
[06:16] <Twiggy> How can I turn on dma to my cdrom drive?  My dvd playback is 00ber choppy
[06:16] <u404> can any one tell me, what does bootable flag mean?
[06:16] <crimsun> Twiggy: what device is it?
[06:16] <d8uv> I just came to say that Ubuntu rules pretty hard
[06:17] <goldfish> lol
[06:18] <crimsun> Twiggy: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX (replace X with the appropriate character corresponding to your DVD drive)
[06:18] <Twiggy> crimsun:  Thanks
[06:18] <Twiggy> crimsun:  Is that permanent or will I have to do it again after a reboot?
[06:19] <crimsun> Twiggy: it can be made permanent.
[06:19] <HaloGray> u404, bootable flag means the partition which will be read as a boot partition
[06:19] <u404> thanks
[06:19] <HaloGray> You'd want your primary nix partition to be that, and if you have grub set up you can still use it to choose windows
[06:20] <jay> Has anybody tried netboot with PXE using the files in netboot.tar.gz?  I get to the installer fine, and it grabs some extra files from my local mirror, but doesn't appear to obtain the required IDE modules (the hard disk can't get accessed).  This happens with hoary and warty for me.
[06:20] <crimsun> Twiggy: see /etc/hdparm.conf
[06:20] <Twiggy> crimsun:  thankya
[06:21] <u404> HaloGray, i have right now w2k on the same HDD, if I turn that bootable flag on  ubuntu partition, will i be able to choose between w2k and ubuntu, when PC is turned on?
[06:22] <tene> got a bit of a problem installing ubuntu here...
[06:22] <HaloGray> yeah
[06:22] <tene> it's freaking out trying to install the locales package
[06:22] <tene> and the error is about not being able to load locales.
[06:22] <HaloGray> so long as grub is set up properly... and you can go back and fix anything that goes sour there once you're booted into ubuntu
[06:23] <u404> and.. what filesystem should i choose?
[06:24] <goldfish> i heard it doesn't like fat32
[06:24] <u404> I chose ext3, but as i know nothing about them, i am not sure, if that is the right choice
[06:24] <HaloGray> the default ext3 with a swap is fine for your first install and if you're the only user
[06:24] <crimsun> tene: what program is spitting errors, dpkg?
[06:24] <LeeColleton> How do I browse the files on a bluetooth device?
[06:24] <tene> crimsun: apt-get
[06:24] <Dwayne_> ahh
[06:24] <Dwayne_> i hate ubuntu
[06:24] <Dwayne_> lol
[06:24] <Dwayne_> my screen size is 640xblah ;\
[06:24] <Dwayne_> windows was 1024x784 thingy ;\
[06:24] <crimsun> tene: please paste a snippet of the errors onto http://pastebin.ca
[06:24] <jay> Dwayne_: then adjust it
[06:25] <HaloGray> sounds more like an xwindows issue
[06:25] <Dwayne_> it wont let me
[06:25] <crimsun> tene: or #flood
[06:25] <HaloGray> ubuntu picked my max res by default
[06:25] <HaloGray> what video card do you have?
[06:25] <Dwayne_> Intel Extreme 3D Graphics
[06:25] <jay> Dwayne_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[06:25] <HaloGray> listen to jay
[06:25] <Dwayne_> ahh
[06:25] <Dwayne_> i selected Medium
[06:25] <Dwayne_> do i select Advance?
[06:25] <jay> i don't recall
[06:26] <jay> wouldn't hurt
[06:26] <goldfish> if i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 now it doesnt ask me anything about resoltion
[06:26] <goldfish> any reason why that may happen?
[06:26] <goldfish> it did the first time i ran it
[06:26] <Dreamer3> goldfish: first time only config?
[06:27] <goldfish> ah shitebags
[06:27] <goldfish> Maybe that is it.
[06:27] <goldfish> Is there anyway I can get back to that?
[06:27] <farruinn> goldfish: maybe apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86 would do it
[06:27] <dr_willis> Hmm. I got a TV Tuner Card on order. Hauppage 350 - dare i ask how easy this thing will be to setup under Ubuntu? :P
[06:27] <farruinn> dunno though
[06:27] <jay> goldfish: what do you want to do?
[06:27] <goldfish> reconfigure it
[06:27] <tene> 'kay, pasting to #flood
[06:27] <jay> goldfish: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[06:27] <farruinn> goldfish: or if you just edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:28] <HaloGray> dr_willis: I have that card... it was a bitch to get working in Windows XD
[06:28] <be80be> ok I'm on the net ubuntu loaded my eth0 net card debian testing couldnt find it but for the life of me i cant find out what module is loaded ispci dosnt tell dmesg dosnt tell so were do i look now lsmod dosnt say what mod it is and i dont think it is built in because it loaded 1 when i installed ubuntu
[06:28] <pussfeller> my hauppenpage was autodetected
[06:28] <pussfeller> at least the modules are loaded
[06:28] <HaloGray> I haven't a clue how it'd fly on ubuntu
[06:28] <Dreamer3> be80be: if it's loaded sep, it's a module
[06:28] <pussfeller> is there something better than xawtv
[06:28] <dr_willis> HaloGray,  lol. :P easier under linux? i got an Older tv card - that mandrake and suse both saw very well.. but its an old nasty card. Updateing it. and making a new machine.. Looking at useing MythTV or Freevo also.
[06:28] <ernesto> hello people
[06:29] <pussfeller> freevo has a nice looking interface for music
[06:29] <ernesto> I need help with aim
[06:29] <dr_willis> guess i will find out when the thing gets here.
[06:30] <be80be> but there is no listing of a mod for eth0 this is a amd 64
[06:30] <dr_willis> Wanting to be able to record some tv shows.. and perhaps copy them to dvd to watch at work.
[06:30] <jay> ernesto: you need to clarify.
[06:30] <linux_galore> ernesto: just us gaim total no brainer
[06:30] <ernesto> I need to know how I can add my acount
[06:30] <dr_willis> Or i saw that 'creative' has some sort of mini-media player. :P but that may not be very workable.
[06:30] <jay> be80be: could try poking around in /proc
[06:30] <ernesto> to other msn user
[06:31] <linux_galore> ernesto: aim has nothing to do with msn
[06:31] <be80be> looked all over ti
[06:31] <be80be> it
[06:31] <jay> be80be: remove a module at a time until it stops working? lol
[06:31] <ernesto> when the other has eliminated me
[06:32] <Dreamer3> what package is the ubuntu monthly calendar?
[06:32] <ernesto> pardon me
[06:32] <ernesto> is Gaim
[06:32] <mdz> dreamer: ubuntu-calendar
[06:32] <ernesto> Im taking about Gaim
[06:32] <HaloGray> hey... is there something like rainlendar available for gnome?
[06:32] <HaloGray> that'd be kickin rad
[06:33] <rellik> which package has divx codecs? (for totem, the nautilus thumbail generator thingy)
[06:33] <Dreamer3> mdz: which category is it in? main, uni, etc?
[06:33] <mdz> dreamer: main
[06:33] <goldfish> farruinn: The resoltions in that config file are "1680 x 1050" but the max resolution i can pick in Screen resolution settings is 1400 x 1050, any ideas why this is?
[06:34] <farruinn> goldfish: probably sync range
[06:34] <goldfish> farruinn: sorry, newb here, what does that mean
[06:34] <farruinn> if you have your monitor manual you're in luck
[06:34] <Dwayne_> well ubuntu is going in the trash
[06:34] <neom> hm
[06:34] <goldfish> oh right
[06:34] <Dreamer3> mdz: if i'm wanting to install on a non-ubunut system should i just get the tar.gzs?
[06:34] <goldfish> farruinn: im on a laptop
[06:34] <farruinn> goldfish: oh, not sure that'd be the problem then
[06:34] <farruinn> I've never configured X on a laptop
[06:35] <goldfish> ah right
[06:35] <goldfish> hrmm...
[06:35] <goldfish> Is there a next resolution up from 1680 x 1050 ?
[06:35] <goldfish> i may put in a larger one and see what happens
[06:35] <neom> The kde copy in synaptic has 404s, and so I can't get it. Anyone have any suggestions as to how I might have this fixed?
[06:35] <Dreamer3> goldfish: umm... this is a laptop LCD?
[06:35] <goldfish> yeah
[06:36] <HaloGray> what resolution can the laptop's LCD handle?
[06:36] <goldfish> well this is 1680 x 1050
[06:36] <Dreamer3> neom: wait on the servers... apt-get update?
[06:36] <ernesto> Hey
[06:36] <regeya> holy moly...I can't believe that no one had posted that to the kino website yet...dang it all, the 'audio sync' problem in exported MPEGs was fixed for me by adding '-F 4' to the command line options for mpeg2enc.  The framerate was wrong.
[06:36] <Dreamer3> goldfish: i dunno then
[06:36] <goldfish> Dreamer3: ah right
[06:36] <neom> what does apt-get update do?
[06:36] <ernesto> What's up with my question
[06:37] <farruinn> neom: updates apt's list of available packages
[06:37] <crimsun> ernesto: could you rephrase, please?
[06:37] <HaloGray> ernesto... you should be able to add multiple msn accounts to gaim
[06:37] <neom> Is it ok to run on hoary? (it's not going to change it back to warty or anything funky like that?
[06:37] <Xenguy> omg
[06:37] <regeya> so if you're trying to use kino for a home movie, and attempt to export to MPEg to burn to DVD, and the audio gets way out of whack, add '-F 4' to the list of options for mpeg2enc (if you're creating NTSC video)
[06:37] <ernesto> How I can add my msn account to other person account when he has eliminated me
[06:38] <regeya> uh...sometimes I think that some linux people try too hard to make linux into os x
[06:38] <ernesto> in gaim
[06:38] <farruinn> ernesto: you mean y ou want to add your nick to his buddy list?
[06:38] <Dreamer3> regeya: never used os x
[06:38] <Xenguy> die
[06:38] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: Windows is a damned good thing to emulate in a quite a few places
[06:38] <regeya> as soon as I see a non-screensaver bsod, I'll agree that linux is getting too windows-like. ;-)
[06:38] <crimsun> ernesto: no idea, have you asked in #gaim ?
[06:38] <ernesto> no
[06:38] <LinkMasterSab> And not literally emulate of course, but ... copy.
[06:38] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: sure, but don't say you're windows until you are :)
[06:39] <ernesto> my account
[06:39] <ernesto> add me
[06:39] <regeya> or as soon as running fsck fouls up init, I'll agree.
[06:39] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: things won't just work until vendors properly support linux
[06:39] <HaloGray> ernesto... I'd love to help but I'm not understanding the problem
[06:39] <Zotnix> oh! Screensavers... that reminds me. Screensavers that use your screen as part of it don't work here. They display the default image in the screensaver.
[06:39] <ernesto> ok
[06:39] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: we don't want to be wind0ze
[06:39] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: until them (some) linux users live in a second rate world
[06:39] <ernesto> pardon for my bad english Im a Dominican boy
[06:39] <Zotnix> Anyway to fix them?
[06:40] <pussfeller> pussfeller
[06:40] <HaloGray> are you trying to add somebody elses msn account to your gaim?
[06:40] <rellik> is there some way to change nautilus to use vlc instead of totem to generate thumbnials for videos?  totem won't do divx
[06:40] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: Yeah. There's a reason I'm considering moving back to Windows already.
[06:40] <regeya> Dreamer3, amen
[06:40] <regeya> amen to vendor support
[06:40] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: true... but the idea seems (if you want to attract the non-technically included) to become more and more like it
[06:40] <neom> ernesto - You get lots of canadians going on holiday to the dominican?
[06:41] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: wind0ze is not that to which we aspire
[06:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: 3d has never worked right on my lapotp... and the hardware acceleration drivers are just coming up to speed years after the hardware was released :)
[06:41] <ernesto> when a person erase your account of his msn, what you can do for to add your account to his msn
[06:41] <LinkMasterSab> Calling Microsoft "M$" and calling Windows "Wind0ze" is pretty stupid.
[06:41] <HaloGray> like... if they were to block you?
[06:41] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: not a perfect linux world i live in :)
[06:41] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: We aspire to useable, friendly, free software
[06:41] <trey3> Xenguy: he's not saying that though... he's saying Windows does some things well... reinventing the wheel for the sake of it is counter-productive...
[06:41] <HaloGray> LinkMasterSab: I agree. INTERNET EXPLODER LOL
[06:42] <Xenguy> trey3: free software is not "re-inventing the wheel" -- it's creating something new :-)
[06:42] <LinkMasterSab> HaloGray: Internet Explorer is pretty bad compared to the opposition now though, you must admit. But it's hardly terrible.
[06:42] <neom> crossover office scares me.
[06:42] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, evaluate what your current issues are; in some cases, as a last-ditch resort, there are proprietary solutions available.  Case in point: my main printer is properly supported by Turboprint right now.  As soon as an equivalent Gimp-Print driver is out, I'll use it.  I'm reluctant to help because I've ruined hardware with bad drivers before (my own fault.)
[06:42] <Dreamer3> i'm saying i think the linux community (particularly "friendly" distros) gives too many people the ide ayou pop in a CD and it "just works" and it's not there yet
[06:42] <HaloGray> I'm a web developer... don't talk to me about IE not being horrible
[06:42] <HaloGray> It's horrible...
[06:42] <pussfeller> heh
[06:42] <Xenguy> The FOSS angle is lost on you people most of the time, which is dreadful
[06:42] <neom> And the fact that someone has developed a distro to run ms shit, is annoying.
[06:43] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: amen :)
[06:43] <regeya> I remember IE back when it was Mosaic :-P
[06:43] <trey3> Xenguy: you're wrong... many things in GNOME were taken from other desktops etc... not because they were from that other OS, but because they were the right thing to do.
[06:43] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: but if it just didn't add those 3 pixels to floats i could forigve most :)
[06:43] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: huh?
[06:43] <Kokey> Hey! somebody have a Dell with a BCM modem? there is a driver for this winmodem?
[06:43] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: exactly, and that is what frustrates me -- it creates the impression that we aspire to windows, which is what first caught my eye about your comments ;-)
[06:43] <LinkMasterSab> HaloGray: Okay, yeah, never mind, its compliance to standards is something we wouldn't call compliance
[06:43] <ernesto> what's up
[06:44] <HaloGray> On a user/browser level it's still pretty bad though...
[06:44] <HaloGray> On the pure basis that it uses 'zone' security
[06:44] <farruinn> ernesto: _you_ cannot control _his_ gaim...
[06:44] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: it just saddens me to see people who don't know anything about linux asking basic questions... because the goal (evidentally) is to make it open to less and less technically skilled, but it's not ready on all hardware
[06:44] <HaloGray> that whole thing was a terrible idea from the get go
[06:44] <Dreamer3> the much of the software is far from usable :)
[06:44] <ernesto> I know that
[06:44] <pussfeller> i have made alot of money lately off of windows explorers so shh
[06:44] <Dreamer3> (as defined by usability professionals)
[06:44] <tuppa> anyone here running the amd64 arch of ubuntu hedgehog?
[06:44] <HaloGray> it's so easy to hack up 'uhhh, hey IE... I sure am a local file... let me edit everything on the local drive now'
[06:44] <ernesto> but must be a trick for add your account to his msn
[06:44] <goldfish> how to update /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[06:44] <pussfeller> and people not running windows update
[06:45] <goldfish> after u alter it
[06:45] <HaloGray> and if you look at most of IE's security updates, they've been patching that very thing
[06:45] <wolf1502> tuppa im running warty 64bit
[06:45] <farruinn> ernesto: I don't understand what you mean by "add your account to his msn"
[06:45] <regeya> another proprietary example: once upon a time, back when alsa was someone's wet dream, commercial oss was always a good bet if you had a newish popular soundcard and wanted supported rather than buying a new card (back then, the drivers were actually cheaper than a SB16)
[06:45] <HaloGray> until the 'zone' security is dropped from IE, I don't see ever recommending it on a secure level
[06:45] <HaloGray> even if they do get a hold on the active x issues
[06:45] <ernesto> add you I dont know how say it
[06:45] <Xenguy> windows is a mess in so many ways - it is just as easy for me to trash it, as it is for you guys to praise it
[06:45] <LinkMasterSab> HaloGray: Firefox <3
[06:45] <regeya> proprietary isn't necessarily evil if it's the only current choice and isn't produced by an evil company, imho...and illness kicking in again, clear a path to the bathroom, bbiab
[06:46] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: XP SP2 is nice
[06:46] <Xenguy> why you insist on praising windows I really don't understand
[06:46] <Dreamer3> HaloGray: as nice as IE can get i think :)
[06:46] <HaloGray> Dreamer3:  I agree
[06:46] <Xenguy> XP is butt ugly - horrible to look at
[06:46] <LinkMasterSab> Xenguy: I find more quality software on Windows, it's easier to use, it doesn't tend to piss me off at the moment.
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: then change it
[06:46] <HaloGray> SP2 had some amazing jumps in IE security
[06:46] <ernesto> for example when you erase a contact of msn
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: who's praising windows?
[06:46] <trey3> Xenguy: ok... but windows does some things right... reinventing a good idea usually ends up bad  :/
[06:46] <HaloGray> but it still has a zone core... and as long as it has that, it's going to be exploited
[06:46] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: we're trying, but here you are praising it ;-)
[06:46] <Xenguy> trey3: sure
[06:46] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i just know a LOT of my hardware works flawlessly on windows and still doesn't work on linux
[06:46] <farruinn> ernesto: you want to add him to your buddy list?
[06:47] <LinkMasterSab> And I disagree, since Windows XP looks good to me.
[06:47] <pussfeller> thats the thing with ms, they they just wont play nice and they are too powerful and too untrustworthy to be allowed to continure having that much influence over the tech world
[06:47] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: flawlessly?   XP is 4 years old... enless you mean after you installed 3rd party drivers?
[06:47] <HaloGray> ernesto, if you add him to your buddy list he'll get a notice that you did and have an option to add you
[06:47] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i ran windows (with firefox) and never had any of those problems
[06:47] <HaloGray> that's the closest you can get
[06:47] <ivar> is there a way for a non root user to find the IP associated with eth0 ? ifconfig requires root...
[06:48] <HaloGray> you can add yourself to somebody elses buddy list though... though any program
[06:48] <pussfeller> it wont be capitalism that MS uses to keep its market share in the future, i assure you
[06:48] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: I've been running Ubuntu for a week now.
[06:48] <LinkMasterSab> And Windows never gave me any real problems.
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i'm not trolling :) I have a thinkpad, and accelerated video is flakey (but improving every day) sound doesn't survive suspend/resume, no dual-head, etc
[06:48] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: you're 'dreaming' frankly -- read the experiences of others -- it is a horrible, defenceless OS, completely under attack by crippling malware
[06:48] <ernesto> there's no matter with that I just want to add me
[06:48] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: windows works much better when run by technically included...
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i know a few sys admins who never have those types of problems but i fix windows pcs all the time from regular joes that do
[06:49] <pussfeller> MS will use IP and the courts to fight FOSS and will rpobably win at least in the usa
[06:49] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: if yer not connected to the Net, I'm sure wind0ze behaves just fine :P
[06:49] <trey3> Xenguy: by default... sure... defaults are there to be changed though   :/
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: i think windows is mostly superior in hardware support
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: if i could have all the hardware drivers on linux that'd seal the deal for me
[06:49] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: but some corps need office, and other windows apps
[06:49] <LinkMasterSab> Dreamer3: That's generally because manufacturers provide drivers to Windows and not Linux.
[06:49] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: i know :)
[06:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: wrong... there are just more 3rd party drivers  :/
[06:50] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: it's because linux is the minority
[06:50] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: there are so many problems with windows, that frankly I cannot take you seriously any longer.  Let's concentrate on creating an alternative to that mess, shall we?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: huh?
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> Yeah.
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> It'll remain the minority.
[06:50] <Dreamer3> trey3: well, right
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> You'll never see it rise over Windows unless it becomes easier to use.
[06:50] <ernesto> now do you understand?
[06:50] <Dreamer3> Xenguy: sure, i run linux :)  but our customers use windows :)
[06:50] <pussfeller> yup linkmaster
[06:50] <LinkMasterSab> Since your average Windows user doesn't know what a command prompt is
[06:50] <trey3> Dreamer3: like I said... Windows is 4 years old... if you have new hardware... Windows won't support it... Linux supports most hardware out of the box...
[06:51] <pussfeller> and linux has gotten 100x more user friendly over the last couple years
[06:51] <LinkMasterSab> It's more like magic to them; they click the internet on, check email, chat with people...
[06:51] <Dreamer3> trey3: hmmmmmm, perhaps :)
[06:51] <peloverde> I just migrated to ubuntu today, and despite the rocky install i love it
[06:51] <Dreamer3> trey3: windows xp supports anything in the last year or two OTB has been my experience
[06:51] <regeya> pussfeller, indeed
[06:51] <LinkMasterSab> Linux requires quite some understanding with how things work.
[06:51] <trey3> Dreamer3: umm... how can it? its a 4 year old OS... :/
[06:52] <Dreamer3> but i'm not argueing for windows, was only talking about hardware support for non-mainstream stuff (laptops, integrated, fringe, etc)
[06:52] <Dreamer3> trey3: SP1, SP2
[06:52] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, the same is true of any OS, if you're installing on your own.
[06:52] <Dreamer3> trey3: they come on media
[06:52] <LinkMasterSab> regeya: Installing XP takes no intelligence.
[06:52] <pussfeller> the move to more and more apps being web-based will help linux as well
[06:52] <trey3> Dreamer3: thats not Windows though...
[06:52] <LinkMasterSab> You hit OK a few times.
[06:52] <trey3> LinkMasterSab: Installing Ubuntu did?
[06:52] <Dreamer3> trey3: yeah it is :)
[06:52] <Xenguy> Dreamer3: anyway, this is a Ubuntu support channel, right?  Why are you on about wind0ze here anyway?
[06:53] <gobeavs> cuz its a competitor
[06:53] <Dreamer3> trey3: windows xp OEM w/SP2... :)
[06:53] <LinkMasterSab> trey3: No, but he said installing Windows did.
[06:53] <trey3> Dreamer3: its really not... thats driver discs   :/
[06:53] <gobeavs> its like a windows forum talking about the threat of linux
[06:53] <u404> i installed ubuntu, rebooted and choosed test apt sources..., but because i can use internet only trough VPN, now the system trys to connect  to security.ubuntu.com several times
[06:53] <LinkMasterSab> trey3: Or rather, any OS.
[06:53] <Dreamer3> trey3: it's full install media, i just used it the other day :)
[06:53] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, are you referring to an off-the-shelf XP on random hardware, or an OEM copy?
[06:53] <u404> is there a way to cancel this process?
[06:53] <daniels> guys, offtopic
[06:53] <Xenguy> gobeavs: it's off-topic when carried to this extreme
[06:53] <gobeavs> XP does fine with new hardware
[06:53] <Dreamer3> buy OEM and a mouse...
[06:53] <Xenguy> daniels: thank you
[06:54] <LinkMasterSab> regeya: Take XP or Ubuntu to a machine with "random hardware" and you're much more likely to get XP running
[06:54] <gobeavs> this isn't OT
[06:54] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: i agree
[06:54] <gobeavs> we are talking about hardware compatibility
[06:54] <Xenguy> gobeavs: of course it is
[06:54] <Dreamer3> LinkMasterSab: not that it's ubuntu's fault or anything
[06:54] <farruinn> this discussion is much more suited for #ubuntuforums
[06:54] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, I've had hardware where Windows installs were hell and mainstream Linux installs required no intervention.  Ubuntu may not have the pretty installer, but I put very little thought into it.
[06:54] <trey3> LinkMasterSab: very wrong... in my experience at least... usually have graphics and sound issues with Windows... no such issues on Linux...
[06:55] <regeya> I put less thought into installing Ubuntu on this hardware than I did into the last Mac Panther install I did.
[06:55] <Dreamer3> trey3: all depends on hardware :)
[06:55] <pussfeller> speaking of that, should i file a bug with warty not being able to auto install my azt2320 soundcard
[06:55] <LinkMasterSab> trey3: Really? I've had much more trouble with Linux installs with hardware.
[06:55] <Dreamer3> i think linux has the mainstream coverered really well, but when you get into obscure things that techies dont use it's not so rosey
[06:55] <pussfeller> or just wait til the next release is out and check
[06:55] <regeya> LinkMasterSab, it's all very relative. :-)
[06:55] <Dreamer3> that's why 3d on my savage integrate lappy video has taken years to come about
[06:55] <farruinn> pussfeller: find out if anyone is having the same problem in hoary
[06:55] <regeya> Dreamer3 says it well
[06:56] <daniels> pussfeller: if you want, you can try the Hoary live CD from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com, and see if the problem still occurs there
[06:56] <pussfeller> thats a good idea
[06:56] <regeya> also LinkMasterSab it also depends on whether or not your hardware vendors are cooperative on specs or if they're BPHBFHs
[06:56] <regeya> (Bastard Pointy-Haired-Bosses From Hell)
[06:56] <hikaru79> Does wine have an IRC chan?
[06:56] <LinkMasterSab> regeya: Dilbert yay.
[06:56] <crimsun> pussfeller: does manually modprobing snd-azt2320 work?
[06:56] <trey3> Dreamer3: not really... I installed Windows on about 300 machines... same machines with Fedora, Ubuntu and SUSE... no issues with the Linux distro's, could expect at least graphics and sound issues on Windows...
[06:56] <pussfeller> yes, thats waht I had to do
[06:57] <LinkMasterSab> It's okay though. I'm only 16. I'll live to see much better Linux and slightly better Windows
[06:57] <meandyou> I am having problem exporting NFS share, here is what I did
[06:57] <regeya> heh
[06:57] <meandyou> /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start
[06:57] <daniels> trey3: dude, please just let the discussion die
[06:57] <Dreamer3> trey3: well, with windows you might have to find and install the latest graphics/sound drivers :)
[06:57] <farruinn> pussfeller: isn't there a file you can add that to?
[06:57] <Dreamer3> trey3: with linux sometimes they aren't available, is my only point :)
[06:57] <meandyou> portmap start first
[06:57] <meandyou> exportfs
[06:57] <trey3> daniels: no offense dude... but I don't see anything more interesting being discussed?
[06:58] <regeya> or perhaps the discussion could go to a more generic disscusion, or it could continue privmsg
[06:58] <trey3> Dreamer3: I've yet to see it...
[06:58] <farruinn> trey3: this is a support channel. #ubuntuforums is a discussion channel
[06:58] <regeya> now, see there, there's something I'd never even heard of.
[06:58] <crimsun> farruinn: yes (/etc/modules), but the bug is that it isn't autodetected
[06:58] <regeya> #ubuntuforums!
[06:58] <Dreamer3> trey3: ok, on _my_ laptop :) windows had better hardware support ;-)
[06:58] <Xenguy> BTW, to the Ubuntu developers, I handed off a Warty CD to a friend at work (he's been interested in trying out Linux), and he installed it without a hitch this past weekend.  His comment was "Wow" :-)  He is still trying to figure out how to print form the Ubu to a printer on his mostly windows network, but other than that, it 'just worked' -- thanks a lot for your hard work!  He's really impressed by it :-)
[06:58] <pussfeller> farruinn, you add that to a file in etc, but I was more thinking of the autodetection in the installation
[06:58] <farruinn> crimsun: ah, got it
[06:58] <trey3> farruinn: so is #ubuntu-offtopic ... but there is no one ever in there   :/
[06:59] <regeya> there should be a channel guideline list, with a list of channels, and it should be the first thing in the /topic
[06:59] <Zotnix> heh, when I was 16 I was locked into Windows with no alternative at all.
[06:59] <Dreamer3> whoa
[06:59] <Zotnix> mother would hate if I ruined the family computer ;)
[06:59] <Dreamer3> some of these ubuntu wallpapers :)
[06:59] <LinkMasterSab> Zotnix: I had to install my own HD and buy my own hardware to get it running
[06:59] <Zotnix> I actually had a nasty habit of taking apart old computers and never putting them back together.
[06:59] <regeya> there is NO ONE in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:59] <meandyou> can anyone help me set up my NFS server under ubuntu
[06:59] <pussfeller> communication happens spontaneously tho
[07:00] <LinkMasterSab> Zotnix: I have three cases in my room. Two of them don't work anymore.
[07:00] <regeya> and #ubuntuforums is hopping
[07:00] <gobeavs> what is ubuntuforums for anyway>
[07:00] <gobeavs> ?
[07:00] <LinkMasterSab> woooo 23 users
[07:00] <goldfish> gobeavs: disussions
[07:00] <regeya> well, since #ubuntu is for nothing other than support...
[07:00] <trey3> regeya: yup... hopping... still yet to see a comment  :/
[07:01] <Zotnix> So I imagine we should move off topic non-support stuff to Ubuntuforums?
[07:01] <_slice_> and a discussion of the relative merits of windows/linux/panther etc gets tedious after the first 1000 times
[07:01] <_slice_> worthy as it is...
[07:01] <Dreamer3> where can i get the background on the ubuntu homepage?
[07:01] <Dreamer3> of the login
[07:01] <dud> heh, if my 200GB drive ext3 wont get defragmented from this, it never will
[07:02] <dud> moving around, compressing and deleting about 7000 files
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: You already have it.
[07:03] <unperson> Anybody still looking for an app to display CPU temps, you might look at EmiFreq  http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=406
[07:03] <Dreamer3> goldfish: no, i don't run ubuntu yet :)
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: oh right
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: it's installed with it
[07:03] <Dreamer3> goldfish: i just downloaded all the wallpapers and they were a little but riske, but i like the login
[07:03] <u404> i read, that there is no VPN wizard in Gnome, how can i configure a VPN then?
[07:03] <Dreamer3> goldfish: well what pacakge is it in? :)
[07:03] <goldfish> Dreamer3: u get a few logins as standard
[07:03] <goldfish> emm..
[07:04] <Dreamer3> goldfish: take one of the login screens and dpkg -S it
[07:04] <Dreamer3> goldfish: once you find where they are :)
[07:05] <Dreamer3> maybe it's ubuntu-artwork, but i'd hate to download a large file just to be wrong
[07:05] <Dreamer3> goldfish: dpkg -L ubuntu-artwork | less
[07:05] <Dreamer3> goldfish: see if that looks right
[07:05] <Dreamer3> u404: by hand?
[07:05] <Dreamer3> u404: by reading a how-to?
[07:06] <goldfish> Dreamer3: /usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/HumanCircle.xml ??
[07:06] <Dreamer3> goldfish: are there png/jpg files as well?
[07:07] <goldfish> Dreamer3: yes
[07:08] <u404> Dreamer3, maybe you can give me a link to a how-to?
[07:08] <Dreamer3> downlaoding it :)
[07:08] <Dreamer3> u404: try google, i don't know, never tried
[07:08] <Dreamer3> u404: i use ssh for any sys admin stuff i need to do
[07:09] <Dreamer3> u404: and rsync via ssh for transferring files
[07:09] <goldfish> Dreamer3: yeah it's cool
[07:09] <goldfish> eh..
[07:09] <goldfish> hrmm...
[07:09] <goldfish> lol
[07:10] <bitfoo> how do i tell gstreamer to use something else besides esd :|
[07:10] <Dreamer3> i may end up putting ubuntu on new pcs and just using the artwork on mine :)
[07:10] <Dreamer3> of course eventually i'll get tired of that image
[07:10] <goldfish> art.gnome.org have nice ones
[07:10] <meandyou> I have added my share in /etc/exports, started portmap and NFS server then issued exportfs but i cant access the share from clients. what am i missing here
[07:10] <unperson> u404, Did you try looking at ubuntuforums.org?
[07:11] <Dreamer3> goldfish: i don't run ghome
[07:11] <Dreamer3> unperson: did'nt think of that :)
[07:11] <Dreamer3> forms always a good place to look
[07:11] <Dreamer3> or evne ask there
[07:11] <Dreamer3> amazing what you can get if you aren't in a hurry
[07:12] <trey3> bitfoo: Computer > Preferences > Multimedia System Selector <-- thats a gstreamer util afaik...
[07:12] <trey3> bitfoo: description even says it is  8)
[07:13] <Dreamer3> meandyou: can you accuess the share locally?
[07:13] <Dreamer3> meandyou: over nFS?
[07:14] <bitfoo> trey3, are you in hoary?
[07:14] <trey3> bitfoo: yes... thats the location in Warty though  :/
[07:14] <bitfoo> theres only desktop preferences
[07:14] <bitfoo> not plain preferences in warty
[07:14] <trey3> bitfoo: eh... that...
[07:14] <bitfoo> and no multimedia system selector :|
[07:15] <trey3> bitfoo: It was there when I was using warty... been there since 2.6 afaik
[07:15] <bitfoo> well i mean i can take a screenshot for ya but it aint there lol
[07:16] <trey3> bitfoo: 'gstreamer-properties' <-- run that, same thing
[07:16] <bitfoo> ahh ok
[07:16] <bitfoo> nice
[07:17] <crimsun> (confirmed, not a menu item)
[07:18] <pepperpot> Yay! I've finished upgrading sid to hoary
[07:18] <pepperpot> works much better now
[07:18] <Dreamer3> pepperpot: hmmm
[07:18] <Dreamer3> sarge -> warty or no?
[07:19] <pepperpot> no, i've never done sarge -> warty
[07:19] <pepperpot> sid is pretty broken
[07:19] <zenrox>                                               whos the nivida god
[07:19] <pepperpot> so hoary is an improvement
[07:19] <Dreamer3> that's why i've never run sid :)
[07:19] <pepperpot> zenrox: nvidia is the nvidia god
[07:19] <trey3> zenrox:                                                      Why are you typing over here?
[07:19] <zenrox> dont know
[07:19] <pepperpot> trey3: right justify?
[07:20] <zenrox> pepperpot,  but nivda ant god when its broke
[07:20] <zenrox> lol
[07:20] <Dreamer3> trey3:                                                           no one clued you in?  it's in style
[07:20] <pepperpot> zenrox: maybe it's an evil god
[07:20] <zenrox> hehehehhe
[07:20] <trey3> Dreamer3:                                                                    guess I missed the memo  :(
[07:20] <zenrox> probly so
[07:20] <pepperpot> I         like                 fill                 justify,           personally
[07:20] <zenrox> so whos up to truble shouting nv fx5200 pci
[07:20] <Dreamer3> oh, got artwork :)
[07:20] <Dreamer3> now lets go see
[07:21] <zenrox> brand now card and ubuntu warty wont boot when the card is in the system
[07:21] <pepperpot> depends. What's the trouble?
[07:21] <pepperpot> yikes. I have no experience with that, sorry
[07:21] <zenrox> its ok any one else
[07:21] <crimsun> zenrox: ask in #nvidia
[07:22] <Neo_654> zerox will the system post?
[07:22] <zenrox> Neo_654,  up to "starting hotplug"
[07:22] <Dreamer3> ok
[07:22] <zenrox> then locks up
[07:22] <Dreamer3> that is pretty bright for a background
[07:22] <Dreamer3> but nice
[07:22] <zenrox> i assume a kernel panic happens
[07:23] <Dreamer3> looks like you have to have 24bit color to really appreciate things though...
[07:23] <zenrox> even warty live cd kernal panics
[07:23] <u404> unperson, not yet..
[07:23] <zenrox> tho knoppix uses the card just fine
[07:23] <Neo_654> zenrox: So your running a mobo that has built in video and then connecting the new card into AGP or PCI?
[07:23] <zenrox> pci
[07:23] <Dreamer3> is the ubuntu warty iso any smaller bziped?
[07:23] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[07:23] <crimsun> I wasn't aware hotplug had been modified to attend to graphics cards
[07:23] <Neo_654> zenrox: any other PCI card in?
[07:24] <zenrox> built in = agp , new card = pci
[07:24] <zenrox> just a modem
[07:24] <zenrox> that i dont use
[07:24] <Neo_654> Never mind that you already answered that.
[07:24] <trey3> Dreamer3: I'd imagin so...
[07:24] <unperson> u404, Well, I see some VPN threads on there.  Not sure there's a how-to, though.
[07:24] <crimsun> is it possible to disable the onboard agp?
[07:24] <zenrox> crimsun,  no
[07:24] <zenrox> knoppix dont care tho
[07:24] <Neo_654> Sounds like a configuration issue since booting off a livecd is doing a default boot.
[07:25] <zenrox> Neo_654, that for me
[07:25] <Neo_654> yes
[07:25] <zenrox> how so
[07:25] <zenrox> explain
[07:25] <Dreamer3> is the CD availalbe via rsync anywherE?
[07:26] <Dreamer3> crimsun: what did you use before ubuntu?
[07:26] <bitfoo> is there anyway to not use esd :|
[07:26] <trey3> Dreamer3: he used Debian  ;)
[07:26] <bitfoo> because i htink it is why all my sound is crappy in movies :|
[07:26] <Neo_654> zenrox; A liveCD does loads with some default and basic features.  Where you Ubuntu install is installed and all the drivers are set.
[07:27] <trey3> bitfoo: use raw alsa... and kill esd...
[07:27] <zenrox> Neo_654,  so the live cd kernel panics casue on allready installed config
[07:27] <bitfoo> i killed esd
[07:27] <bitfoo> but it always starts up by itself
[07:27] <bitfoo> whenever i play a video
[07:27] <Neo_654> zenrox; No the livecd doesn't cause the kernel panic.
[07:27] <bitfoo> so there must be some setting in gnome :|
[07:27] <crimsun> Dreamer3: I still use Debian. In fact, my main machine is Sid+experimental+Hoary with enough chroots and pbuilders to drive one batty.
[07:28] <trey3> bitfoo: what video player? set it to use alsa also?
[07:28] <zenrox> Neo_654,  so the live cd kernel panics becasue of allready installed config
[07:28] <zenrox> thats what i ment
[07:28] <Dreamer3> crimsun: pbuilder?
[07:28] <bitfoo> totem and done
[07:28] <Pierre_> hi all
[07:28] <bitfoo> but wait
[07:28] <bitfoo> how do i set gnome to use only alsa
[07:28] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[07:28] <bitfoo> all i do before is ps aux | grep esd and then kill that process
[07:28] <crimsun> Dreamer3: apt-cache show pbuilder :-)
[07:28] <Neo_654> zenrox; I thought the livecd was knoppix and your installed OS was Ubuntu and the Ubuntu boot was going into panic.
[07:29] <trey3> bitfoo: totem-xine? you'd need to config it seperately....
[07:29] <crimsun> bitfoo: set gstreamer-properties to use alsasink, and disable system sound events
[07:29] <unperson> Ubuntu is basically based off of a snapshot of the Debian unstable repository at a certain time, correct?  Certain packages are then chosen to make a good, integrated system and more extensively tested.  That's the jist, right?
[07:29] <zenrox> Neo_654,  i assumed my ubuntu install is doing a kernal panic when it frezzes at "starting hotplug"
[07:29] <crimsun> bitfoo: then configure all the individual sound apps to use alsa directly
[07:29] <zenrox> Neo_654,  the warty live cd kernel panics at start up
[07:29] <goldfish> Anyone running on a dell 8600 ?
[07:29] <Pierre_> what isdn modems work well with ubuntu as my duxbury external is a pain
[07:30] <zenrox> Neo_654,  knoppix is what i am running right now
[07:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: interesting, so it's kinda like debootstrap?
[07:30] <crimsun> unperson: so to speak
[07:30] <Neo_654> zenrox: Yes that is what it seems since the video has switched from the onboard to the PCI card.
[07:30] <Dreamer3> crimsun: except intender only for chroots?
[07:30] <zenrox> ok Neo_654  now get this hehehe warty is a fresh install
[07:30] <crimsun> unperson: a mix of sarge and sid (moreso the latter) with syncs and merges
[07:30] <zenrox> lol
[07:31] <zenrox> after i put the vid card in
[07:31] <Neo_654> zenrox; so you have no data on the install that you can't loose?
[07:31] <crimsun> unperson: many ubuntu packages have a full life of their own after merging
[07:31] <crimsun> Dreamer3: it essentially automates that ordeal, yes
[07:31] <zenrox> Neo_654,  just one dir i cant louse thats /home and thats a seprate partion im a good boy
[07:32] <unperson> crimsun, But outside of the ubuntu packages, universe is basically a frozen snapshot of sid, right?
[07:32] <crimsun> Dreamer3: very effective and highly recommended if you want to build packages
[07:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: are you saying al ot of pacages are pulled out and then exclusively maintained by ubuntu?
[07:32] <Neo_654> zenrox: Did you install the Ubuntu after the install or the PCI card or before?
[07:32] <jason_> " Detected as eth0 and started working after modules.conf was edited (wlan0 to eth0)" Anyone know what this means I have to do?
[07:32] <crimsun> unperson: essentially, yes, at UVF.
[07:32] <Dreamer3> crimsun: hmmm, sid frozen?
[07:32] <zenrox> Neo_654,  pci card ,format  then install of warty
[07:32] <Dreamer3> so... multi-verse is what again?
[07:33] <Neo_654> zenrox: Oh heck...  That has me confused then.
[07:33] <crimsun> Dreamer3: only packages that are necessary and maintainable are moved from universe to main
[07:33] <trey3> Dreamer3: multiverse = non-free unsupported
[07:33] <Dreamer3> trey3: ah
[07:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so... gnome is main?
[07:34] <crimsun> Dreamer3: yes, since it's the base of Ubuntu
[07:34] <trey3> Dreamer3: yes
[07:34] <Dreamer3> ah
[07:34] <Cindux> :p
[07:34] <Cindux> wee
[07:34] <trey3> Dreamer3: all other desktop environments/window managers are in universe...
[07:34] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is ubunut compiled with different cflags than base debian?
[07:34] <Cindux> my barebone was shipped to me today :D
[07:35] <trey3> Dreamer3: yes
[07:35] <AndyFit1> does xorg work with fglrx in hoary yet  ( for the 9250 )
[07:35] <Dreamer3> trey3: it the different compared somewhere?
[07:35] <Dreamer3> trey3: i'd be happy if it was faster than debian
[07:36] <crimsun> brisgeek: yes, with current Hoary.
[07:36] <brisgeek> crimsun,  I know they are there..  so they work now ?
[07:36] <trey3> Dreamer3: it should be... at least load times etc... but no, its not compared anywhere that I know of...
[07:36] <crimsun> brisgeek: afaik, yes, but I don't use ATI hardware, so I can't confirm.
[07:36] <brisgeek> crumsun, everytime I tried them in the past I had unfortunate results
[07:37] <Dreamer3> trey3: why would load times be much faster?
[07:37] <brisgeek> bummer .  I might wait until someone with a 9250 can confirm
[07:37] <Dreamer3> crimsun: do you know the difference in cflags?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> trey3: and only main pacages would even be affected, right?
[07:37] <Dreamer3> trey3: are the other repositories official debian?
[07:37] <trey3> Dreamer3: no... all... Ubuntu compiles all Debian packages themselves...
[07:37] <crimsun> Dreamer3: err...there's a linker tweak iirc, but no major CFLAGS tweaking that I know of
[07:38] <unperson> crimsun, Ah so universe = sid main, and multiverse = sid non-free?
[07:38] <Dreamer3> trey3: interesting
[07:38] <Dreamer3> crimsun: so they're all 386 compiled like debian?
[07:38] <Dreamer3> crimsun: i swore i read something on that somewhere
[07:38] <sobralense> er.. if I remove the "hotplug" and put everything by hand, I need to load the ext3/reiserfs modules too?  ok, dummy question
[07:38] <crimsun> sobralense: no, that's in initrd
[07:39] <crimsun> Dreamer3: you'll need to dig deeper, because I don't know offhand. They may be optimised for 586+.
[07:39] <trey3> Dreamer3: this is one such difference for example: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=226909
[07:39] <sobralense> thats because I'm trying to remove some "automatic" things on ubuntu .. and load only what I really need
[07:40] <Dreamer3> trey3: looking
[07:40] <Dreamer3> crimsun: yeah, i should just google if my interenet weren't so darn slow
[07:42] <Dreamer3> trey3: interesting so far
[07:42] <crimsun> sobralense: removing 'hotplug' will unnecessarily complicate things
[07:42] <crimsun> sobralense: particularly for removable peripherals
[07:42] <Glin|Jol> hi all, i am having difficulty with nvidia drivers and ubuntu
[07:42] <Glin|Jol> whenever i startx, or starat runlevel 5, my x session freezes
[07:42] <Glin|Jol> no logs or anything
[07:43] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games. 2->5 are identical.
[07:43] <Glin|Jol> ahh
[07:43] <Glin|Jol> this is my first time trying ubuntu or debian so i am on thin ice heh
[07:43] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: are you using Warty or Hoary?
[07:43] <Glin|Jol> warty i believe, the non-beta release
[07:44] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: ,,cat /etc/issue'' (don't paste here) will give you a clearer picture
[07:44] <Glin|Jol> i followed the instructions listed here http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver
[07:44] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, let me try that
[07:46] <Glin|Jol> ok seems i am using warty warthog 4.10
[07:46] <meandyou> sysv-init edit how
[07:47] <crimsun> meandyou: come again?
[07:47] <Xenguy> bye
[07:47] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: when you boot into Warty, does the graphical greeter fail to load and drop you to a console login prompt?
[07:48] <logical> guten morgen
[07:48] <meandyou> crimsun, what do you mean
[07:48] <crimsun> meandyou: I don't understand what you stated. Are you asking for assistance or responding to someone?
[07:49] <FAST> http://g.myspace.com/00047/61/86/47796816_l.jpg
[07:49] <sobralense> why I cant remove postfix and stay with anacron?  =/
[07:49] <meandyou> crimsun, I wont to start NFS service boot time, I need sysv editor under ubuntu
[07:49] <sobralense> if I install anacron it says that needs exim
[07:50] <logical> hello, is here someone who speaks german???
[07:50] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, no, i see the nvidia logo displayed, then the screen just goes haywire after 30 seconds or so
[07:51] <Glin|Jol> everything freezes up and then my monitor looks all distorted
[07:51] <crimsun> sobralense: a MTA is normally necessary.
[07:51] <goldfish> I had X problems with nvidia.
[07:52] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: which nvidia card?
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, 6600GT
[07:52] <goldfish> Glin|Jol: can u log on at all? even through a shell?
[07:52] <goldfish> ah meh
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> goldfish, not if i want to use the nvidia driver
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> i can log onto a gui just fine using vesa
[07:52] <Glin|Jol> but everything dies when i try to use nvidia
[07:53] <sobralense> crimsun, =( Not for me...
[07:53] <sobralense> crimsun, I'm trying to remove ... even if broke something.. =P
[07:53] <goldfish> oh right
[07:53] <crimsun> sobralense: well...a cron-like program needs to mail output somewhere...
[07:54] <goldfish> what folder does a usb hard drive get mounted to?
[07:54] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: can you still switch to a console afterward using ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[07:54] <Glin|Jol> i thought they were mounted under /mnt/removeable
[07:54] <Glin|Jol> but that just may be in mandrake
[07:55] <crimsun> /media for Hoary
[07:55] <pellywinkle87> crimsun: i have probs with x too, just installed warty 4.10 (my first debian dist) and gdm fails to load
[07:55] <goldfish> me too x shit itslef
[07:55] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, is ctrl+alt+f1 similar to ctrl+alt+backspace?
[07:55] <Glin|Jol> i am not familiar with the ctrl alt f1 command
[07:55] <goldfish> if u can log into a shell
[07:55] <goldfish> and run
[07:55] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: no, ctrl+alt+f* switch between consoles
[07:55] <goldfish> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:55] <Glin|Jol> o
[07:55] <goldfish> and set that up
[07:55] <goldfish> x shud get running
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> i usually just use ctrl+f*
[07:56] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: ctrl+alt+backspace kills the X server process
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> but no, i cant switch between consoles
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> everything is frozen
[07:56] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, yeah
[07:56] <pellywinkle87> what's -plow? (im a noob)
[07:56] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: nvidia/ati driver?
[07:56] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: it's a priority indication
[07:56] <goldfish> pellywinkle87: dunno,  im a newb too :)
[07:56] <pellywinkle87> nvidia 9250
[07:56] <goldfish> pellywinkle87: that got x working for me
[07:57] <pellywinkle87> installed nvidia-glx package
[07:57] <pellywinkle87> still doesn't work
[07:57] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: did you execute ,,sudo nvidia-glx-config enable''?
[07:57] <pellywinkle87> yep
[07:58] <crimsun> pellywinkle87: could you paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log on http://pastebin.ca?
[07:59] <LinkMasterSab> Anyone know of a call alert prog?
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> will do
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> not now though
[07:59] <Glin|Jol> be right back
[07:59] <unperson> So, I'd really like to use some of the warty backports for a select few packages (e.g. firefox).
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> gtg, going out
[07:59] <pellywinkle87> ill fix it later
[07:59] <unperson> I'm trying to determine if there's a really nice way to grab just a few without grabbing the kitchen sink.
[08:00] <crimsun> unperson: it's highly recommended that you dist-upgrade to hoary directly if you wish to use the latest packages.
[08:00] <unperson> Looks like apt-pinning is one way.
[08:00] <Adrenal> anyone know what the bandwith consumption of a jabber server is like?
[08:00] <crimsun> unperson: using backports often gets one into a bind because the packages are versioned poorly, so dist-upgrades cause headaches
[08:00] <pussfeller> it would depend entirely upon how many people wehre using it and how often
[08:01] <Adrenal> ic
[08:01] <Adrenal> its all so simple
[08:02] <pussfeller> you could run an irc server for 20-30 people off cable pretty easily
[08:02] <pussfeller> probably more
[08:02] <FAST> is there a shoutcast server software for linux ?
[08:02] <crimsun> FAST: certainly, though I highly recommend icecast2 instead.
[08:03] <FAST> okie doke
[08:03] <unperson> crimsun, Yeah, but generally I don't care about using the latest versions.  I'd rather few downloads and more stability.  There are only one or two apps I want the most current versions of, like firefox.
[08:04] <crimsun> takes a bit of configuring, but once you do that once, it's pretty much go.
[08:04] <crimsun> unperson: all right, but do keep in mind the backports'-broken-versioning caveat if you plan to dist-upgrade to hoary.
[08:04] <unperson> Even for firefox I don't need bleeding edge, but I would like 1.0.
[08:04] <goldfish> lol
[08:04] <goldfish> me too
[08:05] <Adrenal> backports, just uninstall when u upgrade
[08:05] <crimsun> [to be fair, hoary has been quite stable despite its development moniker - unless you use amd64]
[08:06] <unperson> But if I add the backports repository apt will try to upgrade all packages present in the backports unless I use pinning, correct?
[08:06] <Glin|Jol> can someone that uses an nvidia graphics carc send me a copy of their XF86-4 config file please?
[08:06] <Glin|Jol> *card
[08:06] <crimsun> unperson: essentially.
[08:07] <Adrenal> unperson: theorictically
[08:08] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: http://sh.nu/~crimsun/XF86Config-4
[08:08] <shushi2005> Where is the rc.local file?
[08:08] <crimsun> shushi2005: Ubuntu, like Debian, does not use rc.local
[08:08] <unperson> I guess there's also the issue of not getting security patches.
[08:09] <crimsun> shushi2005: what are you attempting to accomplish?
[08:09] <shushi2005> I need some drivers to be loaded at bootup, along with some commands.
[08:10] <crimsun> shushi2005: drivers->kernel modules?
[08:10] <shushi2005> They are to configure a usb wireless adapter.
[08:10] <shushi2005> crimsun, what do you mean?
[08:10] <crimsun> shushi2005: define "drivers"
[08:10] <crimsun> shushi2005: are they kernel modules?
[08:11] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, can you use the "nvidia" drivers with your setup or no? i noticed that you are using nv instead
[08:11] <shushi2005> crimsun, prism2_usb
[08:11] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: I used 'nv' with XFree86 on that machine.
[08:11] <crimsun> shushi2005: place it in /etc/modules if you need to manually specify it
[08:11] <shushi2005> crimsun, do you think they would load at startup?
[08:12] <crimsun> shushi2005: as for commands, I recommend reading the update-rc.d man page
[08:12] <shushi2005> crimsun, ok
[08:12] <jasonf> crimsun: what's that command to send a message to all terminals from root? tell?
[08:12] <crimsun> shushi2005: hotplug should handle that. Check the supported hardware (search the wiki).
[08:12] <shushi2005> k
[08:12] <crimsun> jasonf: wall(1)
[08:18] <Glin|Jol> urg
[08:19] <Glin|Jol> this nvidia thing is really annoying
[08:19] <syn-ack> you know how much I get that, Glin|Jol?
[08:20] <Glin|Jol> its probrably the most often voiced complaint heh
[08:20] <Glin|Jol> but any insight or tips on how to get the nvidia module working with ubuntu would be appreciated :>
[08:21] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: could you keep a ssh session open and copy /var/log/XFree86.0.log after a failed graphical startup attempt?
[08:21] <crimsun> or rather, open a ssh session after...
[08:22] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, i dont think so
[08:22] <Glin|Jol> everything freezes and i am not too sure if an ssh session would be able to start
[08:23] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: do you have a spare computer from which you could attempt to log in via ssh?
[08:24] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, nope :<
[08:24] <tuxJr_14> hi
[08:25] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: your nvidia doesn't work?
[08:25] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: ok, does it boot normally if it doesn't attempt to start X Windows?
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> Dreamer3, nope, when i try to load the nvidia module my x session freezes
[08:26] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: you mean the startup freezes?
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> crimsun, yes everything boots fine when i dont boot into x
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> Dreamer3, exactly
[08:26] <Glin|Jol> when i see the nvidia logo everything freezes
[08:27] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: can you startx?
[08:27] <Glin|Jol> err dunno
[08:27] <jdahlin> It seems that lyx is not installable on hoary: lyx-common: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4-0ubuntu4 is to be installed
[08:27] <Glin|Jol> how would i get ubunto to not start the x session at bootup?
[08:27] <jdahlin> or am I just doing something completely stupid?
[08:27] <Dreamer3> jdahlin: yeah, it requires an older phython
[08:28] <crimsun> jdahlin: no, you're fine.
[08:28] <crimsun> jdahlin: it just needs debian/control:Build-Depends bumped, among other things.
[08:28] <Dreamer3> oh well
[08:28] <crimsun> I'll generate a diff and submit it to MOTU
[08:28] <Dreamer3> i know nothing
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> Dreamer3, how do i get ubunto to not boot into x?
[08:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: is there anywhere to rsync the CDs from the net?
[08:29] <Dreamer3> Glin|Jol: i don't know
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> i cant seem to figure it out, i dont know how to start at run level 3
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> urg
[08:29] <crimsun> Glin|Jol: sudo mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/_gdm
[08:29] <Glin|Jol> isnce there is no runlevel 3
[08:29] <Dreamer3> crimsun: that would work :)
[08:29] <crimsun> jdahlin: thanks for bringing that up.
[08:29] <syn-ack> Yes there is.
[08:30] <Dreamer3> i think this ISO is going to be corrupt when i get it
[08:30] <Dreamer3> and i'd hate to start from scratch
[08:30] <syn-ack> Glin|Jol, you dont know inittab, do you?
[08:30] <Glin|Jol> syn-ack, cant say i do
[08:30] <jdahlin> crimsun: no problem. should I file a bug in bugzilla?
[08:30] <syn-ack> Glin|Jol, Lesson 1) man inittab
[08:31] <crimsun> jdahlin: that's probably the most effective way to bring attention to it; please note me the bug number so I can attach a diff.
[08:31] <syn-ack> crimsun, How goes?
[08:31] <gobeavs> whenever I try to play an mp3 in XMMS, it always freezes...any ideas? I have MAD installed...
[08:31] <jdahlin> crimsun: but lyx is only in universe right?
[08:32] <crimsun> jdahlin: right.
[08:32] <crimsun> syn-ack: not bad, yourself?
[08:32] <jdahlin> crimsun: I don't think it should be added to bugzilla then
[08:32] <gobeavs> in fact, whenever I try to play any file in XMMS
[08:32] <syn-ack> Crimsun: Enjoying the new bug fixes in Gnome. :)
[08:33] <syn-ack> not too bad.
[08:33] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: you a ubuntu user?
[08:33] <_slice_> gobeavs: maybe run in from a console and see if you get any useful information
[08:33] <_slice_> in = it
[08:33] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: do i know you from #linuxhelp or no?
[08:33] <syn-ack> Dreamer3, yes.
[08:33] <syn-ack> to both
[08:34] <Glin|Jol> syn-ack, would i just change this entry id:2:initdefault: to id:3:initdefault: ?
[08:34] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: you loving it?
[08:34] <syn-ack> Glin|Jol, yes.
[08:34] <Glin|Jol> or am i totally misunderstanding the man page
[08:34] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: did you come from Debian?
[08:34] <syn-ack> Dreamer3, and Redhat and Gentoo.
[08:35] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: i've been reading it should be faster than debian, but not sure
[08:35] <syn-ack> oh, and CorelLinux back in the day.
[08:35] <Glin|Jol> gonna try this
[08:35] <Glin|Jol> be right back
[08:35] <FAST> wooo  installed icecast.... time to figure out how to set the config file proper
[08:35] <syn-ack> Dreamer3, I have a P4 2.4 with 768 M RAM, everything is fast.
[08:36] <gobeavs> illl try it slice
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: ah
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: must be nice
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: i got the ram, just not the processor
[08:36] <syn-ack> dreamer, Its a laptop too, and it is. ;)
[08:36] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: laptop? what?
[08:36] <Dreamer3> yuck
[08:36] <gobeavs> slice: nothing....its still technically running fine, it just doesn't play and doesn't respond
[08:37] <gobeavs> rhythm box won't play anything either, but at least it comes up with an error message
[08:37] <syn-ack> dreamer, I have a Compaq Presario 2535 QV
[08:37] <_slice_> gobeavs: what msg ?
[08:37] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: i dunno that that is :)
[08:37] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: bout like me sayging i have a T22 :)
[08:37] <syn-ack> gobeavs, I have the latest and it works fine for me...
[08:37] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: oh, but you already told me sorta
[08:37] <syn-ack> I know what that is
[08:37] <Dreamer3> so n/m
[08:38] <Dreamer3> syn-ack: then you are smart :)
[08:38] <syn-ack>  RX bytes:1307082494 (1.2 GiB) <--- all over WiFi, baybee
[08:39] <gobeavs> "could not open source for writing"
[08:39] <gobeavs> "could not pause playback"
[08:39] <gobeavs> thats in rhythm box
[08:40] <_slice_> do you have permissions for the relevant files/dirs maybe?
[08:40] <gobeavs> ya
[08:40] <crimsun> gobeavs: warty? hoary?
[08:40] <gobeavs> warty
[08:40] <gobeavs> KDE
[08:40] <syn-ack> warty? really?
[08:40] <syn-ack> Thats a bit odd.
[08:40] <crimsun> gobeavs: err...is artsd running? pgrep artsd
[08:40] <_slice_> artsd ?
[08:41] <gobeavs> in the console? pgrep artsd?
[08:41] <crimsun> gobeavs: yes, or in a Konsole
[08:41] <gobeavs> it says 4292
[08:41] <crimsun> pkill artsd
[08:41] <crimsun> pgrep esd
[08:42] <gobeavs> nothing for esd
[08:42] <crimsun> gobeavs: do you normally use kde?
[08:42] <gobeavs> uh....sort of...switched yesterday
[08:43] <gobeavs> don't know if it worked beforehand though
[08:43] <_slice_> gstreamer-properties select esd maybe or maybe try selecting alsa or arts
[08:43] <[^OsAmA^] > alguien habla espaol ?
[08:43] <heliolith> someone please refresh my memory which is the shell command to list processor info?
[08:43] <_slice_> see what happens
[08:43] <crimsun> gobeavs: if you normally use kde, then there are two steps: you want to select alsasink for output in gstreamer-properties
[08:43] <_slice_> maybe the KDE install pu arts in a config and there's a conflict
[08:43] <crimsun> gobeavs: and you want to shorten the idle timeout period for arts in kde's control panel
[08:44] <gobeavs> ok
[08:44] <_slice_> artsd still has that idle problem ?
[08:44] <_slice_> wow
[08:44] <gobeavs> in gstreamer-properties
[08:44] <gobeavs> when I switch output to alsasink
[08:44] <gobeavs> ALSA
[08:44] <gobeavs> and test
[08:44] <gobeavs> there is an error
[08:44] <lj> i need help
[08:45] <[^OsAmA^] > nadie habla espaol ?
[08:45] <burnboy> anyone ever used Ubuntu as a router?
[08:45] <crimsun> [^OsAmA^] : #ubuntu-es?
[08:45] <[^OsAmA^] > ok
[08:45] <lj> i cant install yahoo messanger
[08:45] <gobeavs> I think maybe I should reboot....could it be that too many things are trying to access the sound at one time?
[08:45] <crimsun> lj: are you set on using yahoo's linux client, or have you considered (or are aware of) gaim's yahoo plugin?
[08:46] <goldfish> yahoo is for teh gheys
[08:46] <lj> yes
[08:46] <crimsun> goldfish: choice is golden.
[08:46] <gobeavs> im rebooting, thanks for trying
[08:46] <goldfish> crimsun: heh
[08:46] <goldfish> Sorry :)
[08:46] <crimsun> goldfish: no need, hang on
[08:46] <crimsun> err
[08:46] <crimsun> gobeavs: no need, hang on
[08:46] <gobeavs> oh
[08:46] <gobeavs> ok
[08:46] <crimsun> what error do you get?
[08:46] <gobeavs> just a sec
[08:46] <gobeavs> lemme produce again
[08:47] <gobeavs> when I select Test: "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture'"
[08:47] <lj> it say's i need a package installed but i cant find the package\
[08:47] <gobeavs> and in the console it says /dev/dsp: device or resource is busy
[08:47] <crimsun> gobeavs: pgrep artsd
[08:47] <gobeavs> can't connect to aRts soundserver
[08:48] <crimsun> gobeavs: pgrep esd
[08:48] <gobeavs> wait, cancel that last one
[08:48] <gobeavs> ok
[08:48] <gobeavs> nothing for esd
[08:48] <syn-ack> Is esd running, by chance?
[08:48] <syn-ack> nm
[08:48] <syn-ack> I was late on the draw
[08:48] <gobeavs> if it plays in Kaboodle, it is fine
[08:48] <lj> the file name is libssl0.9.6
[08:49] <gobeavs> but not in XMMS or rhthymbox
[08:49] <gobeavs> and I want something a little better than kaboodle....:D
[08:49] <syn-ack> Are the plugins in the applications set correctly?
[08:49] <gobeavs> I used apt
[08:49] <gobeavs> so they should be configured right
[08:49] <gobeavs> I have the MAD plugin for XMMS
[08:49] <lj> i only got the file called libssl0.9.7
[08:49] <syn-ack> gobeavs, No, that doesnt mean a thing
[08:50] <gobeavs> syn-ack: ok
[08:50] <lj> please help
[08:50] <syn-ack> gobeavs, Do you have the OUTPUT plugins in the apps setup correctly?
[08:50] <gobeavs> I don't know
[08:50] <gobeavs> lemme check XMMS
[08:50] <syn-ack> Then check
[08:50] <lj> can anyone help
[08:50] <crimsun> lj: sudo aptitude install libssl0.9.6
[08:51] <lj> whats that
[08:51] <crimsun> lj: it's a command you execute.
[08:51] <lj> ok ill try
[08:51] <gobeavs> well, now at least I get a "failed to open audio output: ALSA 1.2.10 output plugin" error
[08:51] <gobeavs> and in gstreamer-properties it is set for output as ALSA
[08:51] <crimsun> lj: you need the 'universe' repository enabled.
[08:52] <crimsun> gobeavs: for xmms?
[08:52] <gobeavs> ya
[08:52] <gobeavs> should I put input as ALSA also?
[08:52] <gobeavs> or does it matter>?
[08:52] <gobeavs> in gstreamer-properties
[08:52] <crimsun> gobeavs: ok, let's start from square one. ,,cat /proc/asound/modules''
[08:52] <syn-ack> Crimsun: Thats what Im thinking....
[08:53] <gobeavs> 0 snd_intel8x0
[08:53] <lj> got ererors
[08:53] <syn-ack> hrm
[08:53] <crimsun> gobeavs: ok, now ,,lsmod|grep ^snd_pcm_oss''
[08:53] <gobeavs> I get a prompt
[08:53] <gobeavs> ">"
[08:53] <lj> how do i do that
[08:53] <crimsun> lj: (don't paste here, summarise) apt-cache policy libssl0.9.6
[08:54] <crimsun> gobeavs: (leave out ,, and '')
[08:54] <lj> i didnt
[08:54] <gobeavs> ok
[08:54] <gobeavs> nothing then
[08:54] <crimsun> gobeavs: excellent. ,,sudo modprobe snd-pcm-oss''
[08:54] <gobeavs> wait
[08:54] <gobeavs> sorry
[08:54] <gobeavs> snd_pcm_oss 48168 0
[08:54] <Anubis> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[08:54] <Anubis> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[08:54] <gobeavs> had it typed wrong
[08:54] <crimsun> Anubis: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:55] <Anubis> all of my compiles end with this
[08:55] <lj> it says unable to locate pacage
[08:55] <syn-ack> crim: funny that it didnt install by default.
[08:55] <crimsun> lj: do you have universe enabled?
[08:55] <lj> how do i do that
[08:56] <syn-ack> lj, Dude, I think you need to check out the website
[08:56] <syn-ack> like do a LOT a reading.
[08:56] <lj> ive never uesed code befor this i just got on the internet
[08:57] <syn-ack> lj, especially the wiki
[08:57] <crimsun> lj: Computer>System Configuration>Synaptic Package Manager
[08:57] <crimsun> lj: Settings>Repositories
[08:58] <crimsun> lj: place a check mark in the line that reads ... warty ... main restricted universe
[08:58] <lj> do i type it in
[08:58] <crimsun> lj: (the line that begins with deb ... main restricted universe)
[08:58] <crimsun> (not deb-src)
[08:58] <syn-ack> lj, www.ubuntulinux.org would be a good start.
[08:59] <crimsun> lj: then click OK, and Reload
[08:59] <lj> im at the site now what do i do
[08:59] <syn-ack> lj, I will find the howto. its very nice.
[08:59] <lj> \ok
[08:59] <crimsun> lj: then you may search for 'libssl0.9.6'
[09:00] <pepperpot> I just upgraded from sid to hoary and am installing ubuntu linux-image-2.6.10-2-k7. I'm getting a message about initrd and lilo. How do I get my system to adopt the ubuntu behaviour of using grub and auto-detecting other OSes?
[09:00] <Anubis> No package 'libgift' found
[09:00] <Anubis> ./configure --prefix /usr/lib
[09:00] <Anubis> does not work
[09:00] <Anubis> is my syntax wrong?
[09:00] <crimsun> pepperpot: there's a message that pops up when you attempt to install/upgrade linux-image-*; it tells you what line to insert into what file.
[09:00] <lj> it says command not found
[09:01] <crimsun> Anubis: warty or hoary?
[09:01] <Anubis> warty
[09:01] <gobeavs> lj: what did you type in?
[09:01] <lj> deb main restricted universe
[09:01] <syn-ack> lj http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto/view?searchterm=Synaptic
[09:01] <gobeavs> ah, thx syn-ack :D
[09:01] <crimsun> Anubis: is the universe repo enabled? You need the 'libgift-dev' package.
[09:01] <gobeavs> that will help
[09:02] <gobeavs> they should just enable them by default...
[09:02] <pepperpot> crimsun: it says to insert a line into lilo.conf, but doesn't ubuntu use grub?
[09:02] <Anubis> universe is enabled
[09:02] <crimsun> lj: you don't need to type anything in, just check the line I told you
[09:02] <Anubis> and multiverse
[09:02] <syn-ack> Though, very rarely do I use Synaptic myself.
[09:02] <lj> what line is that
[09:02] <pepperpot> crimsun: it also says to instert a line in /etc/kernel-img.conf
[09:02] <gobeavs> I like it...although sometimes I just use apt-get for some old-schooling
[09:03] <crimsun> lj: it's the 3rd line that begins "deb ..."
[09:03] <gobeavs> lj: in settings>repositories
[09:03] <gobeavs> in synaptic
[09:03] <crimsun> lj: if you scroll over to the right using the bottom scrollbar, you'll see it has "...universe" at the end
[09:03] <lj> i dont understand
[09:03] <syn-ack> I dont use it often, if at all.
[09:04] <crimsun> pepperpot: indeed, Ubuntu uses GRUB. Are you actually using GRUB, though?
[09:04] <crimsun> lj: there are check boxes on the left hand side
[09:04] <FAST> anyone wanna help me with this?      ryan@zeus:~ $ icecast -c /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml  ......  FATAL: could not open error logging (/var/log/icecast/error.log): Permission den ied
[09:04] <crimsun> lj: do you see them?
[09:04] <pepperpot> crimsun: I don't know. I've never hand-configured a grub file. Doesn't ubuntu generate grub automatically?
[09:04] <Anubis> crimsun, SWEET!
[09:05] <pepperpot> pepperpot: the installation cd detects other OSes and adds them to the grub
[09:05] <crimsun> FAST: err, why /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml? Did you compile icecast2 locally? Why not use the Ubuntu package?
[09:05] <FAST> dammit..... there's a package?       yeah i compiled it ... :\
[09:05] <crimsun> FAST: yes, in warty/universe.
[09:05] <FAST> guh.  ill do that, thanks
[09:06] <crimsun> FAST: apt-cache search foo and apt-cache policy foo are indispensable tools
[09:06] <lj> i reloaded synaptic and it downloaded some stuff but not the file im looking for
[09:06] <crimsun> lj: did you place a check mark in the box I told you?
[09:06] <crimsun> lj: and then click OK?
[09:07] <lj> what box again
[09:07] <crimsun> lj: Settings>Repositories
[09:07] <lj> ok
[09:07] <crimsun> lj: third deb line
[09:08] <crimsun> lj: finished?
[09:08] <lj> its not there
[09:08] <crimsun> what isn't there?
[09:08] <Anubis> configure: error: Can't find Python.h! You will need the python development package
[09:08] <Anubis>               to successfully compile gDesklets.
[09:09] <lj> ony all is ther
[09:09] <crimsun> Anubis: why not use gdesklets from universe?
[09:09] <crimsun> Anubis: (python-dev)
[09:09] <pepperpot> what package is it that automatically configures grub?
[09:10] <lj> i dont have that program
[09:10] <Anubis> crimsun, it runs crappy here
[09:10] <crimsun> lj: "ony all is ther?"
[09:10] <Anubis> it uses the old displays
[09:10] <lj> yes
[09:10] <crimsun> lj: I have no idea what you typed.
[09:11] <Anubis> and the weather displays don't work for me
[09:11] <crimsun> Anubis: then install 'python-dev' and go at it.
[09:11] <lj> and i checked anf the package is not there either
[09:11] <crimsun> lj: did you search for "libssl0.9.6" ?
[09:12] <lj> does not exist
[09:12] <crimsun> lj: you must be doing something odd...
[09:12] <lj> i just updated it too
[09:13] <crimsun> lj: close Synaptic, open a Terminal, and type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:13] <lj> ok
[09:13] <lj> do you mean root terminal
[09:13] <crimsun> either one will do
[09:14] <lj> ok now what
[09:15] <lj> ok now what
[09:15] <crimsun> scroll down to the line that reads: # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[09:15] <crimsun> erase the '#'
[09:15] <lj> ok
[09:15] <crimsun> press ctrl+x
[09:15] <crimsun> save the file
[09:16] <lj> as what
[09:16] <crimsun> as the filename it defaults to
[09:16] <NanoTek> KiKoo!!
[09:16] <crimsun> (press enter)
[09:16] <NanoTek> /sys
[09:16] <lj> it said cancelled
[09:17] <crimsun> lj: you have to save it
[09:17] <FAST> dammit.
[09:17] <crimsun> lj: press ctrl+o after you've made the change
[09:17] <crimsun> (then enter)
[09:18] <lj> what do you want me to call the file thats what it asked for
[09:18] <AndyFitz> crumsun,  nope  xorg-driver-fglrx still doesnt work..   all good I'm on xfree86-driver-fglrx again :P
[09:18] <FAST> ryan@zeus:~ $ icecast -c /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml ... I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml" ... FATAL: error parsing config file (/etc/icecast2/icecast.xml) ... XML config parsing error
[09:18] <Anubis> configure: error: Library requirements (glib-2.0 gdk-pixbuf-2.0 gtk+-2.0 pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0)
[09:18] <crimsun> lj: it comes up with a filename by default
[09:18] <Anubis>  pygtk-2.0
[09:18] <Anubis> ??
[09:18] <Anubis> not in the sorces?
[09:18] <lj> well it didnt this time
[09:18] <crimsun> Anubis: sudo apt-get build-dep gdesklets
[09:19] <crimsun> lj: the name of the file is the one you typed in
[09:19] <Anubis> whats that do?
[09:19] <crimsun> Anubis: it installs all the packages needed to build gdesklets.
[09:19] <lj> ok it worked now what
[09:20] <crimsun> lj: sudo aptitude update
[09:20] <lj> type that in
[09:20] <crimsun> (yes)
[09:21] <lj> ok
[09:21] <rose> hello everyone - a question about booting the warty CD to have a look
[09:21] <lj> now what
[09:21] <crimsun> now: sudo aptitude install libssl0.9.6
[09:22] <lj> it worked now what
[09:22] <Anubis> configure: error: Library requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0 gtk+-2.0 librsvg-2.0) not met;
[09:23] <Anubis>  pygtk-2.0
[09:23] <Anubis> its not availible
[09:23] <lj> is that all i have to do
[09:23] <crimsun> lj: yes.
[09:23] <lj> thank you byby
[09:24] <crimsun> Anubis: you need python2.4 packages.
[09:24] <rose> can anyone please tell me how to boot the warty CD - do I just restart withe CD insitu?
[09:24] <gobeavs> no more suggestions for poor gobeavs and his poor music?
[09:24] <crimsun> rose: yes.
[09:24] <gobeavs> rose: yes
[09:25] <rose> okay thanks crimsun and gobeavs
[09:25] <crimsun> np
[09:25] <gobeavs> np
[09:25] <gobeavs> well, in XMMS now it says I need an ALSA output plugin
[09:25] <lj> i still have a problem
[09:26] <crimsun> gobeavs: so in Preferences, tell it to use the ALSA output plugin
[09:26] <gobeavs> I did
[09:26] <crimsun> lj: ...which is?
[09:26] <lj> this
[09:26] <lj> electing previously deselected package ymessenger.
[09:26] <lj> (Reading database ... 61455 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:26] <lj> Unpacking ymessenger (from ymessenger_1.0.4_1_i386.deb) ...
[09:26] <lj> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ymessenger:
[09:26] <lj>  ymessenger depends on libssl0.9.6; however:
[09:26] <lj>   Package libssl0.9.6 is not installed.
[09:26] <lj> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install):
[09:27] <lj>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[09:27] <lj> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:27] <lj>  ymessenger
[09:27] <gobeavs> w00t
[09:27] <gobeavs> I think
[09:27] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj #
[09:27] <crimsun> lj: didn't you say you installed libssl0.9.6?
[09:27] <gobeavs> ok...now it thinks its playing
[09:27] <lj> thats what it said ill show you
[09:27] <gobeavs> but it really isnt
[09:27] <gobeavs> no sound, but it says its playing
[09:27] <gobeavs> thats a start :D
[09:28] <syn-ack> gobeavs, stop the player.
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo aptitude install libssl0.9.6
[09:28] <lj> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:28] <lj> Building Dependency Tree
[09:28] <lj> Reading extended state information
[09:28] <lj> Initializing package states... Done
[09:28] <lj> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:28] <lj> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # apt-cache policy libssl0.9.6
[09:28] <lj> W: Unable to locate package libssl0.9.6
[09:28] <crimsun> gobeavs: make sure all the mixer sliders are unmuted and are at a fairly normal level
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # settings>repositories
[09:28] <lj> bash: settings: command not found
[09:28] <gobeavs> ok
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # deb main restricted universe
[09:28] <lj> bash: deb: command not found
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo nano
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo aptitued update
[09:28] <lj> sudo: aptitued: command not found
[09:28] <crimsun> lj: please kill the paste.
[09:28] <lj> root@70-97-144-179:/home/lj # sudo aptitude update
[09:28] <lj> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:28] <_slice_> thank you
[09:28] <syn-ack> gobeavs, try this and tell me if you hear the voice of god: " cat /dev/urandom/ > /dev/dsp
[09:28] <Anubis> not much fun staying in Warty
[09:28] <lj> Building Dependency Tree
[09:28] <lj> Reading extended state information
[09:28] <lj> Initializing package states...  I'm going to get a drink in the meantime)
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[09:29] <_slice_> heh
[09:29] <lj> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[09:29] <lj> Fetched 424B in 0s (570B/s)
[09:29] <lj> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:29] <lj> Building Dependency Tree
[09:29] <lj> Reading extended state information
[09:29] <lj> Initializing package states... Do
[09:29] <lj> ok
[09:29] <Anubis> omg
[09:29] <lj> ya
[09:29] <vIkSiT> wow
[09:29] <syn-ack> gobeavs, did you get my last?
[09:30] <_slice_> lj: you get with trouts for doing that :)
[09:30] <vIkSiT> you can install ubuntu thru a CHAT-bot?!
[09:30] <_slice_> hit
[09:30] <vIkSiT> :)
[09:30] <lj> ok
[09:30] <lj> how
[09:30] <_slice_> lj: because people lose their conversation
[09:30] <lj> sorry
[09:30] <_slice_> as it scrolls away up the screen
[09:30] <syn-ack> gobeavs: again, did you get my last?
[09:31] <lj> ive never done this before
[09:31] <gobeavs> syn-ack: no
[09:31] <gobeavs> sorry
[09:31] <lj> cant someone hack in my computer and fix it
[09:31] <vIkSiT> A deb newbie question - can i update a base ubuntu install through another debian-based distros package files?
[09:31] <syn-ack> lj, word of the wise, dont EVER paste moer than 3 lines at a time.
[09:31] <_slice_> lj: lol
[09:31] <gobeavs> now I only have mono for KDE also...
[09:31] <syn-ack> gobeavs, try this and tell me if you hear the voice of god: " cat /dev/urandom/ > /dev/dsp
[09:31] <vIkSiT> lj, whats the trouble really?
[09:31] <syn-ack> with out the '
[09:32] <lj> i cant install yahoo messenger
[09:32] <crimsun> vIkSiT: highly unrecommended if you mean to add external repos to ubuntu's base install
[09:32] <vIkSiT> lol
[09:32] <_slice_> lol syn-ack
[09:32] <crimsun> lj: the problem is that you never added the universe repo.
[09:32] <_slice_> gobeavs: turn the vol down a bit first
[09:32] <_slice_> hehe
[09:32] <syn-ack> lj, Dont install That crap Yahoo! messanger.
[09:32] <gobeavs> syn-ack: no
[09:32] <syn-ack> gobeavs, you get any error?
[09:32] <vIkSiT> crimsun, "external repos"?
[09:32] <_slice_> doesn't gaim do yahoo's protocol ?
[09:33] <Anubis> how long has warty been out?
[09:33] <lj> it says im missing this package and its not on my computer
[09:33] <syn-ack> it does.
[09:33] <vIkSiT> _slice_, sure it does
[09:33] <crimsun> lj: here, type this _exactly_: echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:33] <_slice_> kewlio
[09:33] <lj> yahoo's for my mom
[09:34] <gobeavs> syn-ack: no
[09:34] <crimsun> vIkSiT: what do you mean by "update a base ubuntu install through another debian-based distros package files?"
[09:34] <gobeavs> just keeps running
[09:34] <syn-ack> gobeavs, try this  sudo lsmod | grep snd
[09:34] <gobeavs> no audio
[09:34] <crimsun> Anubis: since mid-October 2004
[09:34] <heliolith> what's the command for processor INfo in the Terminal??
[09:34] <crimsun> heliolith: more /proc/cpuinfo
[09:34] <gobeavs> syn-ack: what about it?
[09:34] <gobeavs> rather long and complicated
[09:34] <syn-ack> gobeavs, are the modules there?
[09:34] <gobeavs> it lists some
[09:34] <gobeavs> ya
[09:35] <heliolith> more /proc/cpuinfo
[09:35] <vIkSiT> crimsun, well, I want to get into deb. I'm sure the ubuntu CD doesn't have all the tools which I keep experimenting with. I also have a debian distribution on a dvd with some 6k packages..
[09:35] <_slice_> Anubis: the 4.10 refers to Oct 04... 5.04 to...
[09:35] <heliolith> thanks crimsun
[09:35] <syn-ack>  /msg them to me, gobeavs
[09:35] <vIkSiT> Wondering if i could use the dvd to install stuff onto an existin ubuntu distro?
[09:35] <crimsun> vIkSiT: please don't add external repos. Those packages are built against packages available in the Debian repos, not in Ubuntu's repos.
[09:35] <lj> how do i get the strait line
[09:35] <crimsun> lj: the what?
[09:35] <vIkSiT> Ah, ok.
[09:36] <crimsun> lj: I just told you the _exact_ command to highlight and paste ino the Terminal...
[09:36] <crimsun> into^
[09:36] <lj> ok
[09:36] <syn-ack> gobeavs, now do this dpkg -l | grep alsa
[09:36] <vIkSiT> crimsun, in effect, I should use packages built specifically for Ubuntu..
[09:36] <vIkSiT> only..
[09:36] <syn-ack> gobeavs, and paste those to me too
[09:37] <crimsun> vIkSiT: yes, that's the cleanest solution if you're new to Ubuntu (and/or Debian) and wish to avoid headaches.
[09:37] <lj> it wont let me copy drag or past it
[09:37] <vIkSiT> Hmm. My only problem is that I don't have a  fast enough, or constant net connection
[09:37] <lj> ill be back
[09:38] <crimsun> lj: highlight/select with the left mouse button (or your primary one)
[09:38] <crimsun> lj: paste with the middle (or both left and right if you have a 2-button mouse)
[09:38] <vIkSiT> crimsun, so what *major disadvantage comes out of mixing and matching the 2 repos?
[09:38] <gobeavs> sent through /msg
[09:38] <crimsun> vIkSiT: upgrade headaches, dependency hellishness, etc.
[09:39] <vIkSiT> anything which can be fixed manually? Am new to deb/ubuntu, but not to Linux in general
[09:39] <vIkSiT> crimsun, Hmm..
[09:39] <crimsun> vIkSiT: feel free to try it if you feel the need to burn yourself.
[09:39] <vIkSiT> lol
[09:39] <_slice_> better to go with the source
[09:40] <crimsun> (it _can_ be done, but Ubuntu does not support it, and you should be quite experienced to handle the issues)
[09:40] <vIkSiT> yeah, its just that a dvd with 6k of packages.. REALLY tempting :)
[09:40] <vIkSiT> dependency problems shouldn't really be an issue really. I once installed kde 3.2 by hand, resolving deps!
[09:40] <vIkSiT> <scratch one of the 2 really's>
[09:41] <crimsun> most things can be fixed manually; the real issue is whether you ask in #ubuntu for help resolving those issues.
[09:41] <crimsun> be aware that if you mix repos, you are running an unsupported config, and people may not be able to assist you.
[09:41] <vIkSiT> Ah, hadn't thought of it that way
[09:43] <lj> im back
[09:43] <lj> had to roll a cigeret for mom
[09:44] <crimsun> lj: please scroll up for instructions.
[09:44] <vIkSiT> crimsun, Apart from the automated installation of Ubuntu, as compared to the 3 stage process which deb offers.. any significant advantages I'd gain by not going for deb directly?
[09:45] <lj> it only copys url
[09:45] <crimsun> vIkSiT: a well-integrated, GNOME-based, desktop-oriented Linux distribution.
[09:46] <crimsun> vIkSiT: 18 months of support for each stable release
[09:46] <vIkSiT> well, I use fluxbox primarily. Will have to hack around anyway :)
[09:46] <SirFred> Good morning.
[09:46] <vIkSiT> Ah.
[09:46] <vIkSiT> Hullo SirFred
[09:46] <crimsun> vIkSiT: a meaningful community
[09:46] <SirFred> My hoary has lost the cool X icons
[09:46] <SirFred> Now, my mouse pointer is black, the busy icon is the old clock,...
[09:47] <lj> it gives me a list of menu's and non say copy
[09:47] <lj> i just wish somone can hack
[09:47] <SirFred> Perhaps they have been moved to another package not installed on my box?
[09:47] <vIkSiT> lj, you should hack yourself..
[09:47] <vIkSiT> best way
[09:47] <crimsun> lj: select with the left button, paste with the right button
[09:47] <crimsun> (assuming you're right-handed)
[09:48] <crimsun> lj: err, paste with the middle
[09:48] <lj> i dont now how to hack
[09:48] <vIkSiT> or shift+ins even
[09:48] <goldfish> lj, run apache, a version with known exploits and someone will be able to root you
[09:48] <SirFred> Another question.
[09:49] <SirFred> When I try to install ubuntu-desktop, I see some english packages.
[09:49] <vIkSiT> hehe, or better still.. run sshd and give him a key-pass combo
[09:49] <lj> were do i find that program
[09:49] <SirFred> I mean, things like: openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-gb, myspell-en-gb,...
[09:49] <_slice_> lol
[09:49] <SirFred> But I want an Spanish localized computer.
[09:49] <lj> were is apachi
[09:49] <SirFred> Is there any way to change this behaviour?
[09:50] <vIkSiT> lj, er.. that was just a joke. forget it
[09:50] <lj> ok
[09:50] <lj> i would of ran it to
[09:50] <crimsun> SirFred: just install openoffice.org-l10n-es
[09:50] <crimsun> SirFred: and additional, relevant -es packages
[09:51] <goldfish> lol
[09:51] <goldfish> sorry lj i was messing
[09:51] <SirFred> Or perhaps language-support-es
[09:51] <SirFred> It seems an interesting metapackage. Lets see what is there inside
[09:51] <crimsun> SirFred: certainly.
[09:51] <vIkSiT> oh espanol.. es?
[09:51] <crimsun> sleep, work in a couple hours.
[09:51] <ideafix> this is a trools distro isnt it ?
[09:51] <SirFred> vIkSiT: Yes.
[09:52] <vIkSiT> right..
[09:52] <lj> i will give you my ip numer if someone would just hack my computer
[09:52] <lj> so i can fix the stuff
[09:52] <vIkSiT> lj, what DO you want done?
[09:52] <ideafix> how do you hide your ip ?
[09:53] <vIkSiT> afaik, you want to get gaim running?
[09:53] <SirFred> It seems that language-support-es ubuntu-desktop and language-pack-es will meet my needs.
[09:53] <lj> my computer wont install yahoo messanger for my mom
[09:53] <goldfish> ideafix: use a bouncer
[09:53] <vIkSiT> lj, google: gaim yahoo howto
[09:53] <ideafix> whats that ?
[09:53] <goldfish> emm..
[09:54] <goldfish> proxy bouncer or something
[09:54] <lj> it says im missing a package and i cant find this package
[09:54] <ideafix> are you using one ?
[09:54] <goldfish> nope
[09:54] <goldfish> I am logged on from a college server.
[09:54] <goldfish> I know ppl that use one.
[09:54] <goldfish> google for proxy bouncer
[09:55] <goldfish> maybe, i dont really know much about them
[09:55] <ironwolf> how do I change the name/volume name of /dev/sda1 in ubuntu?
[09:55] <goldfish> lj: We can see your ip already.
[09:56] <lj> can you help me fix this problem
[09:56] <ideafix> goldfish: you are leet
[09:56] <goldfish> ideafix: i am not leet
[09:56] <goldfish> not at all :)
[09:56] <ideafix> yes you are
[09:56] <lj> or can you hack
[09:56] <goldfish> lj: no
[09:57] <goldfish> i cant hack
[09:57] <lj> mr goldfish
[09:57] <ideafix> your ip isnt showning
[09:57] <goldfish> his ip is in his login ident
[09:57] <goldfish> nothing leet about that
[09:57] <lj> do you know any one that can hack
[09:57] <goldfish> yes
[09:57] <ideafix> your leeter than me
[09:57] <lj> is he on
[09:57] <goldfish> no
[09:57] <goldfish> it's one thing to hack
[09:57] <lj> dam*
[09:57] <goldfish> he would have to root your machine
[09:58] <goldfish> which is a different story
[09:58] <lj> ok
[09:58] <lj> teach me obi wan
[09:58] <goldfish> lj: k do me a favour
[09:58] <ideafix> my mouse isnt working
[09:58] <goldfish> buy a book :)
[09:58] <lj> ya whats up
[09:58] <goldfish> lj: open a terminal and type
[09:58] <gobeavs> YAY! I figured out my sound issue...thanks to everyone that helped
[09:59] <goldfish> lj: sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:59] <lj> ok
[09:59] <ideafix> this is a distro for trools
[09:59] <lj> it said could not get lock
[09:59] <ideafix> goldfish: what distro are you using ?
[09:59] <goldfish> ubuntu
[09:59] <SirFred> xmms? Have you tried beep-media-player?
[10:00] <SirFred> It's the xmms evolution with gtk2 widgets.
[10:00] <lj> thats what im using
[10:00] <SirFred> lj: You need to make it as root.
[10:00] <goldfish> SirFred: I was just testing was his apt-get set up correctly.
[10:00] <lj> how
[10:00] <SirFred> goldfish: Oh, I understand.
[10:00] <goldfish> lj: did it ask u for your root password?
[10:00] <SirFred> lj: With sudo.
[10:00] <goldfish> when u typed that command?
[10:00] <lj> no
[10:00] <goldfish> ok
[10:00] <goldfish> type sudo su -
[10:00] <SirFred> lj: Do you have your package manager running?
[10:01] <goldfish> ideafix: my ip is not showing coz im behind a server
[10:01] <lj> no
[10:01] <lj> sorry yes
[10:01] <SirFred> lj: So, that's the reason
[10:01] <lj> close out
[10:01] <SirFred> It locks the package database.
[10:01] <lj> ok
[10:02] <lj> i closed out
[10:02] <goldfish> lj: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[10:02] <goldfish> lj: read that
[10:02] <goldfish> have u done that already?
[10:02] <lj> no
[10:02] <goldfish> right, do that.
[10:02] <goldfish> Your apt-get is not set up.
[10:03] <goldfish> and then that apt-get command should work for you.
[10:04] <ideafix> goldfish: how do you bounce ?
[10:04] <goldfish> well, i am ssh'd to a server in college
[10:04] <goldfish> I am not connecting to irc direct from my computer.
[10:05] <ideafix> why not ?
[10:05] <ideafix> you got something to hide ?
[10:05] <goldfish> well, like i have a shell account with a society in college
[10:05] <goldfish> so i use that
[10:05] <goldfish> for stuff
[10:05] <lj> im sorry but it keeps telling me bad command
[10:05] <FAST> so is there a place to get themes for metacity?
[10:06] <lj> or cammand not found
[10:06] <goldfish> ideafix: nothing to hide no.
[10:06] <ideafix> so why are you hiding ?
[10:06] <ideafix> ...
[10:07] <rubenv> FAST: art.gnome.org
[10:07] <goldfish> I'm not :)
[10:07] <goldfish> lj: What command did u enter?
[10:07] <goldfish> ideafix: do u have shell accounts anywhere?
[10:07] <ideafix> yes you just said your connected thru you school network
[10:07] <goldfish> yeah
[10:07] <goldfish> It's handier that way.
[10:08] <goldfish> I use my shell account from there.
[10:08] <ideafix> so you are hiding behind it
[10:08] <goldfish> not really
[10:08] <lj>  PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[10:08] <lj> /usr/bin/apt-get update
[10:08] <lj> /usr/bin/apt-get -y upgrade
[10:08] <ideafix> why arent you directly connected ?
[10:08] <goldfish> ideafix: I can give you my ip if you want :)
[10:08] <lj> ok
[10:09] <goldfish> Because I am only new to linux.
[10:09] <goldfish> I'm used to ssh'ing to that server
[10:09] <goldfish> and using it
[10:09] <lj> but what do i do with it
[10:09] <ideafix> sounds like hiding to me
[10:09] <lj> i mean the ip
[10:09] <goldfish> lj: are u following the directions from the link?
[10:09] <goldfish> emm.. nothing, i was talking to ideafix.
[10:09] <gsuveg> re
[10:09] <lj> yes
[10:09] <goldfish> right
[10:09] <syn-ack> crimsun, gave up, eh? ;)
[10:10] <kengur> hi
[10:10] <syn-ack> seb128, How goes it?
[10:10] <goldfish> lj: Did you type 'sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup' ?
[10:11] <FAST> rubenv, is there a place i shoudl store the .gz's  for gnome themes?
[10:11] <seb128> syn-ack: fine, thanks
[10:11] <ideafix> it seems i have to go to colege to get my ip hided
[10:11] <kengur> i got python program error which says " unknown locale: en_RU:en_GB:en_US:en" should i add en_RU to /usr/share/locale/locale.aliases?
[10:11] <lj> yes but it says tri cp helo
[10:11] <goldfish> ideafix: not hiding, i have nothing to hide, I'm not running many services anyway so even if i was connected directly it be hard to hack me
[10:11] <lj> help
[10:11] <goldfish> well
[10:11] <syn-ack> seb128, Again, Thanks for fixing the Rythmbox bug I submitted last week.
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: i also can't get any viruses onto my computer from irc
[10:12] <ideafix> every one gots stuff to hide
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: which i cud if i was directly connected
[10:12] <seb128> syn-ack: you're welcome :)
[10:12] <syn-ack> Rhythmbox, that is.
[10:12] <CastleSoft> ne1 installed mono from svn on the latest dev release of Ubuntu ?? About to try and would like to know if its easy or full of problems.. THANKS
[10:12] <ideafix> you can get virus from irc ?
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: yes
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: :)
[10:12] <ideafix> how come ?
[10:12] <goldfish> ideafix: ppl can send u file
[10:13] <goldfish> *files
[10:13] <goldfish> worms and stuff
[10:13] <lj> hello does any one  on ths chat site know how to hack
[10:13] <ideafix> only if you acept and run the files
[10:13] <lj> ok
[10:13] <goldfish> ideafix: Don't try to send me files.
[10:13] <ideafix> i all ready tryed
[10:13] <rose> hi - I run WinXP and am trying to boot warty - have tried restarting with the CD insitu but jsut keeps booting windows - do I need to do something else?
[10:13] <ideafix> it was a PDF
[10:13] <goldfish> ideafix: I know.
[10:13] <ideafix> i dont think there any virus in it
[10:14] <kengur> rose: check boot sequence in you BIOS
[10:14] <goldfish> there's not
[10:14] <syn-ack> Smoke break
[10:14] <goldfish> ideafix: It would have to be an executable file.
[10:14] <lj> go into bios and change your boot
[10:14] <lj> so cd runes fist
[10:14] <ideafix> but theres no virus for linux
[10:14] <goldfish> lj: People can't just hack you, and they don't chat about it publicly really.
[10:14] <rose> kengur - it's a while since I fiddled with these things and never on this computer which I have only had for a year - instructions please
[10:14] <lj> oh ok
[10:15] <ideafix> if they do its to deny it
[10:15] <ideafix> lol
[10:15] <goldfish> ideafix: well, yeah, but im only using linux 2 days
[10:15] <ideafix> whats with this version stuff ?
[10:16] <kengur> rose: boot, press whaever keys it says to access BIOS (usually ESC or DEL or F<whatever>) get to BOOT SEQUENCE screeen, make sure CD/DVD comes before HDD
[10:16] <goldfish> im seeing what client you are using
[10:16] <ideafix> just found a new button to press ?
[10:16] <goldfish> ideafix: yeah
[10:16] <rose> I sem to recall on old computer presing one of the F keys to look at the bios (while booting)
[10:16] <ideafix> leave it alone its getin boring
[10:17] <goldfish> ideafix: And it sounds like you know more than you are letting on.
[10:17] <Neo_654> did his mother pull the plug on his computer?
[10:17] <ideafix> what about ?
[10:17] <ideafix> mr noob
[10:17] <rose> thanks kengur will do - seems odd though as music CDs play by just putting into place
[10:17] <goldfish> ideafix: I am a n00b, yes.
[10:17] <ideafix> lol
[10:17] <goldfish> ideafix: But you don't seem to be.
[10:18] <larsrohdin> Hi! im using fluxbox, what filemanager should i use?
[10:18] <FAST> do the themes *.gz's go into the   themes:/// directory?
[10:18] <ideafix> strange because every one calls me noob
[10:18] <FAST> from art.gnome.org
[10:18] <goldfish> ideafix: okies.
[10:18] <kengur> rose: it doesn't have anything to do with boot sequence
[10:19] <ideafix> im the noob but you are the one sshing
[10:19] <ideafix> odd !
[10:19] <goldfish> emm...
[10:19] <ideafix> im the leet one but you are the one sshing ... odd!
[10:19] <goldfish> Wtf are you on about?
[10:20] <goldfish> I'm not leet.
[10:20] <goldfish> It is a crime to ssh?
[10:20] <ideafix> i would be doing it too if i could
[10:20] <goldfish> u can
[10:20] <larsrohdin> give it a break guys... lets all be friends!
[10:20] <goldfish> Indeed, ideafix has issues.
[10:21] <goldfish> Or else, he is homosexual.
[10:21] <apokryphos> Hey Everyone. Will installing most .deb packages work on Ubuntu?
[10:21] <Neo_654> I think the two of them just need to get a room.
[10:21] <ideafix> everybody get together .. try to love one another RIGHT NOW !
[10:21] <goldfish> I think i'll go for an ignore command.
[10:21] <larsrohdin> Neo_654, i was just going to suggest that...=)
[10:21] <larsrohdin> now, does anyone know a good filemanager for fluxbox?
[10:22] <Neo_654> larsrohdin, Sorry but I couldn't resist.
[10:22] <ideafix> Neo_654: is 654 your room number ?
[10:23] <ideafix> you could be a little more mystirouse about it
[10:23] <apokryphos> Anyone?
[10:23] <ideafix> goldfish: so tell me how can i irc thru ssh ?
[10:24] <goldfish> jesus
[10:24] <ideafix> christ
[10:24] <goldfish> just shut up please
[10:24] <goldfish> you know how to
[10:24] <paelscrit> theplateau
[10:24] <goldfish> Stop pretending you are a n00b.
[10:24] <ideafix> i dont come to irc to hush
[10:24] <larsrohdin> is rox a good filemanager for fluxbox?
[10:24] <goldfish> Well, what do you come on for then ideafix ?
[10:25] <ideafix> educate my self
[10:25] <goldfish> Well, k.
[10:25] <Neo_654> larsrohdin, I think it would be just personal opinion.
[10:25] <goldfish> Buy a shell account.
[10:25] <goldfish> ssh to it
[10:25] <goldfish> run irssi
[10:25] <larsrohdin> Neo_654, any other suggestions?
[10:25] <goldfish> or an irc client
[10:25] <goldfish> there you go
[10:25] <ideafix> im using linux because its free
[10:25] <larsrohdin> i don't know that many filemanagers...
[10:26] <ideafix> now you tell me i have to buy something ?
[10:26] <goldfish> ideafix: yes if u want to use someome elses server
[10:26] <Neo_654> larsrohdin: Not from me.  I don't use it so I can't give an opinion on it.
[10:26] <goldfish> ideafix: well, if u want an account on someone elses server
[10:26] <St_Anger308> can anyone tell me if ubuntu has a disk defrag program :-/
[10:27] <Tomcat_> Why should it need one? :o
[10:27] <ideafix> so you have to pay for privacy ?
[10:27] <goldfish> ideafix: no
[10:27] <ideafix> it seems like it or else you have to be leet
[10:27] <goldfish> ideafix: anyway, why do you want to hide your ip?
[10:27] <ideafix> like being in colege
[10:27] <St_Anger308> dam computer going slower than on windows
[10:27] <goldfish> ideafix: being in college doesn't make you leet.
[10:27] <ideafix> the same reason you do
[10:28] <goldfish> i dont hide it
[10:28] <goldfish> u can get my ip
[10:28] <ideafix> i dont wnat it
[10:28] <goldfish> just whois my ident
[10:28] <goldfish> well then , what's all this about then?
[10:29] <ideafix> its about privacy
[10:29] <goldfish> I see.
[10:29] <goldfish> #privacy tbh
[10:29] <goldfish> they'll help you
[10:29] <ideafix> tbh ?
[10:29] <goldfish> to b ehonest
[10:30] <goldfish> *be honest
[10:30] <ideafix> bop
[10:30] <ideafix> do you know what bop means ?
[10:30] <spiral> hi
[10:31] <goldfish> because of privacy?
[10:31] <goldfish> british or portuguese?
[10:31] <ideafix> aree you portuguese ?
[10:31] <goldfish> ideafix: Yes. As are you.
[10:32] <ideafix> what do you want to know were i come from ?
[10:32] <goldfish> I don't.
[10:33] <ideafix> well every one knows that now
[10:33] <goldfish> Knows what?
[10:33] <ideafix> didnt i told you i like privacy ?
[10:33] <goldfish> well don't use irc.
[10:33] <goldfish> And no I'm not from Portugal.
[10:34] <ideafix> you use it and im not telling everyone wich country your from
[10:34] <goldfish> they know
[10:34] <ideafix> i think thats fall short of descrimination
[10:34] <goldfish><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:34] <goldfish> dont need a mastermind to work out where i am from
[10:35] <ideafix> i dont care were you from why should you care were im from ?!
[10:35] <goldfish> I noticed your ident ends in .pt.
[10:35] <goldfish> Which is portugal, that's all.
[10:35] <goldfish> Actually I am stalking you.
[10:36] <ideafix> your ident tells me nothing about you
[10:36] <goldfish> It tells you what country my connection is coming from.
[10:36] <larsrohdin> how can i change wallpaper i fluxbox?
[10:36] <apokryphos> Why is Ubuntu lacking basic packages for compiling?
[10:37] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> larsrohdin, see #fluxbox topic
[10:37] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> use fbsetbg or xsri
[10:37] <apokryphos> /lib/cpp is failing sanity check. Thought kernel-headers needed to be installed, but by the looks of it -- they already are.
[10:37] <larsrohdin> vIkSiT|bbiaw, fbsetbg a command or a file?
[10:37] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> its an app..
[10:38] <ideafix> goldfish: i dont give flying f*** were you come from
[10:38] <goldfish> ideafix: I know.
[10:38] <goldfish> ideafix: Just leave it man.
[10:38] <larsrohdin> vIkSiT|bbiaw, but how do i run it then?
[10:39] <vIkSiT|bbiaw> larsrohdin, as i said, topic in #fluxbox has a link to the tutorial. This is probably the most asked question for fb..
[10:39] <larsrohdin> #fluxbox?
[10:40] <goldfish> larsrohdin: the channel #fluxxbox
[10:40] <socketbind> howdy
[10:40] <larsrohdin> aha... ok im no good at this irc business=) how do i join that?
[10:40] <ideafix> goldfish: your using ubuntu ?
[10:41] <goldfish> larsrohdin: /join #fluxxbox
[10:41] <goldfish> shud work
[10:41] <goldfish> ideafix: yes
[10:41] <ideafix> so thats why your hiding behind ssh
[10:41] <socketbind> i'm love to tune my machine, if I replace the kernel image with linux-image-686 will it improve performance?
[10:41] <larsrohdin> where to type? here?
[10:42] <apokryphos> yes
[10:42] <goldfish> larsrohdin: emm.. i've never used xchat, but that should work
[10:42] <lj> yahoo says i need this file how do i install it GtkHTML
[10:42] <larsrohdin> ok, thanks alot guys...
[10:42] <ideafix> goldfish: you are usin irrsi ?
[10:42] <goldfish> ideafix: no, i use ssh from windows too
[10:42] <goldfish> ideafix: yep
[10:43] <ideafix> thats leet
[10:43] <goldfish> em.. not really.
[10:43] <goldfish> It's the only way I can use my shell account from windows.
[10:43] <ideafix> so your not using ubuntu ?
[10:43] <goldfish> ideafix: I am yes.
[10:44] <lj> so can anyone help me install GtkHTML
[10:44] <ideafix> are using unbuntu and windows ?
[10:44] <lj> unbuntu
[10:44] <seb128> lj: install libgtkhtml3.6-15
[10:44] <goldfish> ideafix: yeah, as i said i am only new to linux, i installed ubuntu 2 days ago. i dual boot
[10:45] <ideafix> irrsi works on windows too ?
[10:45] <goldfish> no
[10:45] <pawel> is hoary the official and stable release?
[10:45] <apokryphos> no
[10:45] <apokryphos> Warty. Hoary is still in developement.
[10:45] <goldfish> ideafix: That is why I have to ssh to a unix shell.
[10:46] <lj> didnt work
[10:46] <goldfish> i could use mirc but i hate it.
[10:46] <pawel> apokryphos: I just don't know which one to try.
[10:46] <ideafix> sounds like too much trouble for someone thats has nothing to hide
[10:46] <goldfish> ideafix: rofl
[10:46] <lj> says too few arguments
[10:46] <apokryphos> pawel: Depends on your needs. If you essentially need a fully stable system, without any possibility of a crash (for some reason or other), then go for Warty for the time-being. Hoary seems to be really quite stable to me, even though it's in developement. I haven't had any problems yet.
[10:46] <goldfish> ideafix: Not really, how else am i supposed to use my shell account from unix?
[10:47] <copilot> can anyone recommend a good ftp server w/gui?
[10:47] <Neo_654> lj; did you type sudo apt-get install libgtkhtml3.6-15
[10:47] <lj> how can i run window program on linux
[10:47] <ideafix> dont use do it like everybody and connect from windows
[10:47] <copilot> I'm used to bpftp in windows if that makes a diff.
[10:47] <lj> no
[10:47] <apokryphos> pawel: Also depends on whether you use Gnome/KDE. On Warty, it's a little dated with only KDE 3.2.
[10:48] <Neo_654> lj; and why not?
[10:48] <goldfish> ideafix: What would I have to hide?
[10:48] <ideafix> how the hell should i know
[10:48] <pawel> apokryphos: is hoary *very* unstable? it's not a production machine, it's my personal laptop. I've got some knowledge, but like to use of the box, when it's my box or in other words out of the package.
[10:48] <ideafix> thats why your hiding it
[10:48] <_slice_> pawel: try them both :)
[10:48] <pawel> will do.
[10:49] <pawel> I'm torrenting warty.
[10:49] <pawel> and finishing partitioning.
[10:49] <_slice_> groovy
[10:49] <ideafix> warTY
[10:49] <ideafix> wars are esay to start
[10:50] <ideafix> wars are easy to start ...
[10:50] <copilot> and that's why.
[10:50] <copilot> ftp server, gui optional, ubuntu.
[10:50] <ideafix> not so easy to stop them at least with out some major hard feeling
[10:51] <apokryphos> pawel: It's not unstable in the slightest as far as I can see. Only termed thusly because it's in developement :D.
[10:51] <pawel> I've tried potato and woody, but it was enough outdated at the time of release that I stoped using it. :)
[10:52] <apokryphos> Once you've got Warty, you can always just apt a dist-upgrade and have hoary. You can revert after, as well, if there'd be any reason for it.
[10:52] <pawel> yeah, that's what I'm planning. :)
[10:52] <apokryphos> cool
[10:52] <kengur> can anyone help with locale?
[10:52] <ideafix> how long do you think ubuntu would hold as a honynet ?
[10:53] <ironwolf> how does one chane a volume name on a compact flash card without mkfs ?  Or is there no way?
[10:53] <ideafix> it seems this distro dont even sets up a firewall
[10:54] <ironwolf> ideafix: apt-get install iptables ; done. :)
[10:54] <ideafix> ironwolf: you make it sound so simple
[10:55] <ideafix> i could all most believe you
[10:55] <pawel> OK guys. I've got warty, gonna burn it and try.
[10:55] <goldfish> ideafix: Learn system administration, and be your own firewall.
[10:55] <pawel> cu later.
[10:55] <apokryphos> adios
[10:55] <lj> sorry my computer froze
[10:55] <apokryphos> Has anyone tried to install the .deb package on Ubuntu of taskbar v2.0?
[10:56] <ideafix>  goldfish you seem to know all about it for someone using linux for 2 days
[10:56] <kengur> can anyone help with locale?
[10:57] <pussfeller> ideafix, get arnos script if you want an easy firewall script
[10:57] <goldfish> ideafix: not really, i have used a unix account for bout year and a half
[10:57] <blixtra> which locale?
[10:57] <goldfish> ideafix: but never install linux on my own machine until the other day
[10:58] <ideafix> i seem to lost my mouse button after palying quake
[10:58] <ideafix> middle mouse button isnt working any more
[10:58] <toresbe> ideafix: Don't press it so hard, then! :P
[10:59] <ideafix> and the test mouse thing ist wotking too
[10:59] <kengur> blixtra, where does Ubuntu store locale info? i get this weird string LANGUAGE - "en_RU;en_GB..." and en_RU doesn't make any sence
[10:59] <ideafix> toresbe: mabey you know something about that
[10:59] <toresbe> ideafix: You can reset your X server by pressing Ctrl-Alt_Backspace (this will log you out)
[10:59] <Nightie> Hello, anyone can help me with eciadsl please?
[10:59] <kengur> i tried to reconfigure locales and localeconf but it doesn't help much
[10:59] <ideafix> why would i reset it ?
[10:59] <ideafix> ive already rebooted
[10:59] <toresbe> ideafix: Dunno, might clear up ... oh.
[11:00] <toresbe> kengur: en_RU is the way  Pitr talks! :)
[11:00] <toresbe> kengur: Now please to be acceptink, da? ;)
[11:00] <kengur> huh?
[11:00] <toresbe> kengur: userfriendly.org character :)
[11:01] <EvolutionR> how to install Edge icons theme downloaded from the gnome look org?
[11:01] <Nightie> EvolutionR :: read faqs on gnome.org
[11:01] <kengur> i need to fix that stupidity
[11:02] <ironwolf> ideafix: are you running warty or hoary?
[11:02] <iapx8088> hi all guys, i've got a problem here. Yesterday night recompiled my hoary 2.6.10 kernel using the previous 2.6.10 config (who was just fine!) and now the system is unable to boot
[11:02] <ironwolf> iapx8088: did you make oldconfig?
[11:02] <iapx8088> I need a way to get there fix this problem with the kernel and install it again
[11:02] <iapx8088> ironwolf, pardon?
[11:03] <larsrohdin> apokryphos, hey #fluxxbox was empty=)
[11:03] <ideafix> no
[11:03] <rose> hi again - I'm having trouble finding out my boot sequence - when win loads it goes so fast I can't read all the notes - I tried F8 and it gave some options but not boot sequence - can I slow it down so I can read it?  Thanks
[11:03] <iapx8088> ironwolf, no, i just copied the .config to the new linux dir
[11:04] <iapx8088> ironwolf, actually don't know where I did trash the thing, maybe when iI did dpkg -i I believe.
[11:04] <ironwolf> iapx8088: you need to "make oldconfig" to make sure no options have been added.  Kernels like that.  They get grumpy when you don't.
[11:04] <iapx8088> ironwolf, didn't know that.
[11:04] <rose> oh - Win XP and want to try 'live' ubuntu from CD
[11:04] <rose> it won't boot when i restart
[11:04] <EvolutionR> Just be sure to use ~/.icons instead of ~/.themes. And clicking on the "Go to Theme Folder" in the Icon tab of the Theme Details window will take to the correct location for Icon themes. <--dont understand this statement
[11:04] <iapx8088> and now that he's grumpy?
[11:04] <EvolutionR> how to go to icons theme?
[11:04] <iapx8088> ironwolf, I hope the hoary live cd has some rescue kernel in it
[11:05] <ironwolf> iapx8088: the warty live CD does.
[11:05] <iapx8088> ironwolf, sorry I closed
[11:06] <iapx8088> ironwolf, I'm dowloading the hoary one, wrong way? I have hoary.
[11:06] <ironwolf> iapx8088: the warty live CD has a rescue.  I don't know what the hoary live CD test has on it.
[11:06] <iapx8088> that's ok
[11:06] <iapx8088> will dowload both of the
[11:06] <dud> is it possible getting realplayer and wmv codecs on amd64?
[11:06] <ironwolf> dud: yes see the wiki
[11:06] <iapx8088> ironwolf,  then from the live cd old story I beleve
[11:07] <iapx8088> ironwolf, you were just too kind. thanks
[11:07] <ironwolf> iapx8088: anytime.
[11:07] <Phosphoros> Rose, you're trying to use the LiveCD on a winxp machine?
[11:08] <EvolutionR> how to install icons theme in gnome???????????????~/.icons instead of ~/.themes. And clicking on the "Go to Theme Folder" <[11:08] <rose> phosphoros - yes
[11:08] <Phosphoros> Rose, Make sure your CDrom is the first boot device in your bios.
[11:08] <dud> ironwolf, where in the wiki? sure you understood that i mean amd64 architecture?
[11:08] <ironwolf> dud: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:09] <rose> had a play with linux few years ago but lots of problems on old computer - thought i'd look at ubuntu live and then try install - also have mandrake to try
[11:09] <ironwolf> dud: yes amd64 :)
[11:09] <dud> yes, but what should i search for? w32codecs, real player, amd64, codecs... seems to give me nothing?
[11:09] <rose> phosphoros - it boots so fast I can't read quickly enough to get to bios - ie to know which key to press
[11:09] <dud> or relevancy i mena
[11:09] <dud> mean
[11:09] <Phosphoros> I'm doing my first ubuntu install tomorrow.  My first dive at Linux.
[11:10] <Phosphoros> Rose, As soon as you see the BIOS post screen start hitting the delete key
[11:10] <rose> phos - I read somewhere that sometimes problems with dual install and overwriting MBR
[11:11] <rose> okay phos - didn't try delete - tried F8 and F12 which were what I saw as it flashed by, but no boot sequence
[11:11] <Phosphoros> The LiveCD doesn't install anything.  It reads everything off the CDrom on the fly.  It just has to be the first boot device in the BIOS.
[11:12] <dud> im so not getting anywhere with these codecs :(
[11:12] <rose> yes phos - I thought CDrom was fisrt on as other CDs eg music and photos read by putting them in
[11:12] <lj> anyone know how to install byond
[11:13] <lj> can anyone help
[11:13] <ironwolf> lj: what is byond ?
[11:13] <rose> phos - on the wiki I read an article about dual boot - talked about problems with MBR - don't know if you're doing dual boot
[11:13] <lj> and live cd is slow
[11:14] <Phosphoros> Rose, Ya I've been reading up on dual booting for a few days now.  I think I have it licked.  We'll see.  :)
[11:14] <lj> its online games for free
[11:14] <rose> previously when I had win 95 I did a big mess up somehow with GRUB and major crash
[11:15] <lj> its for my little brother
[11:15] <rose> but I am definitely NOT a geek!
[11:15] <Phosphoros> :)
[11:15] <Phosphoros> I am
[11:15] <apokryphos> ljlane: live CDs are guaranteed to be pretty slow; they're not installed to the Hard-drive.
[11:15] <Phosphoros> I scare myself
[11:15] <rose> wish I was more computer savvy
[11:15] <lj> runs by cd and ram
[11:16] <_4strO> yop yop
[11:16] <Marty> Will a GeForce 6800 GT work good under ubuntu?
[11:16] <rose> at least if I mess up I can reinstall - don't know how easy WinXP is to install
[11:16] <iapx8088> anyone knows if hoary live has rescue boot features in it?
[11:16] <ironwolf> lj: I need more info.. did you try to apt-get it?
[11:16] <Phosphoros> Winxp is cake to install
[11:16] <iapx8088> marty as long as it's supported by nvidia6629
[11:17] <lj> i know alought abought windows but litlle abought ubuntu
[11:17] <rose> that mean it's easy phos?
[11:17] <Phosphoros> Yep, easy
[11:17] <iapx8088> marty I strongly doubt warthy 6611 or sorta like that did know about 6600gt
[11:17] <iapx8088> smoke time
[11:17] <rose> I have my photos backed up so not a worry - just can't get the blinking CDs to work!
[11:18] <Phosphoros> LiveCDs?
[11:18] <lj> does it mean when im on the computer all the time that im a geek
[11:18] <apokryphos> yes :P
[11:18] <rose> tried mandrake also but the install wouldn't work - highlighted but nothing happened when I clicked on it
[11:19] <rose> same with ubuntu install
[11:19] <apokryphos> When trying to install kynaptic, I get " Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.7  but it is not installable". Should I report this somewhere/
[11:20] <Phosphoros> I almost tried Mandrake, then didn't.  There homepage sucks, so I figured.... how good could the OS be?  hehehe
[11:20] <apokryphos> Phosphoros: Mandrake isn't too bad. A little bloated, though.
[11:20] <apokryphos> urpmi is good
[11:20] <rose> phos - reason I want to try mandrake is that it's suposed to be easy for newbs and windows users
[11:21] <Phosphoros> So is Lindows as well as Ubuntu.  :)
[11:21] <apokryphos> rose: It is. I'd recommend you start with Mandrake/Fedora/SuSE.
[11:21] <Kengur_afk> shish
[11:21] <apokryphos> rose: Of those three, I personally liked Fedora the best.
[11:21] <NoFate^> I think ubuntu looks cool
[11:21] <_slice_> my 2 cents would be to spend 60 minutes with a good intro to linux book
[11:22] <rose> apokryphos - actually had an older Suse working to a limited degree a couple of years ago - but hardware problems I recall
[11:22] <Phosphoros> I like gnome so  gravitated towards Ubuntu.  I can't stand KDE
[11:22] <apokryphos> rose: Fedora has better hardware support; the community is pretty huge.
[11:23] <iapx8088> ironwolf, just one last thing: i use make-kpkg, is there make-kpkg oldconfig?
[11:23] <Kengur> where does the $LANGUEAGE var come from?
[11:23] <rose> apokryphos - been reading some good stuff about fedora somewhere recently
[11:23] <apokryphos> I seem to always fall for Gnome-distros even though I couldn't live without KDe ;)
[11:23] <rose> maybe a PC magazine
[11:23] <rose> from my playing before I think I preferred KDE to gnome
[11:23] <NoFate^> Does ubuntu has that HAL thing that Fedora has?
[11:23] <j-rock> am i the only one that hates both gnome AND kde
[11:24] <Phosphoros> So here's a silly question.  Is XFCE something you'd run in addition to gnome or is it a replacement for gnome/Kde?
[11:24] <ironwolf> iapx8088: no :) only make oldconfig
[11:24] <j-rock> DE's are just a big pain for me
[11:24] <rose> what do you use j-rock
[11:24] <j-rock> openbox
[11:24] <apokryphos> rose: It's pretty good. Very user-friendly; has a graphical installation. Annoying things: doesn't come with MP3 support (though that's easily sorted), and secondly -- it never worked that fast for me. Compared to others.
[11:24] <j-rock> i dont like startbars on my desktop
[11:24] <rose> haven't seen that
[11:24] <iapx8088> ironwolf, this is a bad thing
[11:24] <j-rock> they take up unnecessary room
[11:24] <iapx8088> ok, i'll see
[11:24] <ironwolf> iapx8088: why?
[11:25] <dougsk> Phosphoros, mostly a replacement -- although you can get the gnome-panel to work with xfce
[11:25] <rose> apokryphos - mp3 not an issue for me so maybe i could buy the PC mag and try it
[11:25] <iapx8088> ironwolf, mixing make and make-kpkg will make the kernel grumpy!
[11:25] <rose> but first of all have to get the darned things booting