[00:08] <wgrant> maxb: Was that section thing in the primary archive? There's a bug filed to make it do that for PPAs, so I presume it doesn't do it in PPAs yet.
[00:10] <maxb> It was in a PPA, though presumably the same issue will bite as soon as someone wants to do an official backport in the primary archive backports pocket
[00:11] <wgrant> maxb: Huh... maybe it's because Soyuz doesn't know about the 'dev' section at all (it should be 'devel'). Normally it will reject saying that a section is not valid for that distroseries.
[00:12] <wgrant> But anyway, PPAs will soon override all unknown and mismatched sections to misc.
[01:15] <mrooney> Is anyone familiar with launchpad exports? When I do a po export I get some in the root of the tarball, some in po/ and some in <domain>/
[01:16] <mrooney> I can't really figure out why they get put in three different locations
[02:12] <blueyed> Is there a problem with (hosted) bazaar branches being published on LP?
[02:16] <beuno> blueyed, are you getting something like: bzr: ERROR: Connection error: curl connection error (GnuTLS recv error (-9): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received
[02:17] <blueyed> beuno: no. something different.. I've thought the branch from the cron server would have been pushed, but it says "These branches have diverged.". So it has not been pushed after all. Sry.
[02:22] <blueyed> I'm wondering why it says "diverged" though, since it's a cron jobs and it should get pushed only from there. If I unbind another checkout of that branch that shouldn't have any influence on this, right?
[02:22] <blueyed> (The branch gets synced with tailor.)
[02:23] <Snova> I've had that happen once or twice (I think because I interrupted it), it's because the branch on the server has a different history than the source. If you know that it's appropriate, --overwrite will do the obvious thing.
[02:24] <blueyed> well.. i've compared the history.. it's the same.. only that the last few revisions had not been pushed. I'll rather merge, then commit and pull, to be sure.
[02:25] <wgrant> Snova: That is nothing to do with Launchpad. Some part of the branches' histories has diverged.
[02:25] <wgrant> Gah.
[02:25] <wgrant> blueyed: ^^
[02:26] <wgrant> And if they haven't diverged, then it's a bzr problem.
[02:26] <Snova> Everybody seems to be doing that today. :)
[02:27] <blueyed> wgrant: yeah, I've had this happen before.. I was just wondering how that could have happened here. yes. any idea how I could compare the tip and/or IDs, just to debug this?
[02:27] <wgrant> blueyed: 'bzr log --show-ids -r-1' on the remote branch is a good start.
[02:28] <wgrant> See if that same revid is in the branch you are trying to push from.
[02:30] <wgrant> 'bzr heads' on the branch should also tell you that more directly.
[02:32] <blueyed> revision-id is different for r7063, but also the parent. both have the same timestamp in the id though.
[02:32] <blueyed> the revision id of r7062 is different, too. but their parent matches. odd.
[02:32] <wgrant> Did you upgrade the version of tailor, perhaps?
[02:33] <wgrant> I've seen the same thing when upgrading to a new bzr-svn that uses a different mapping version.
[02:33] <wgrant> Although that's generally fairly obvious.
[02:34] <blueyed> yes, maybe. but before already. I've also tried to fix there myself. but that has been before that. r7062 is from today.. and that has been days ago.
[02:34] <blueyed> no big problem. Thanks for your support.
[02:34] <wgrant> I guess you'll need to talk to the tailor people, or just push --overwrite.
[02:35] <blueyed> push --overwrite is bad for branches, not?
[02:35] <blueyed> why not merge, commit, push?
[02:36] <wgrant> That's messy. But it is the best way if anybody else is using that branch, right.
[02:46] <blueyed> really strange. merge causes a conflict.
[02:46] <blueyed> Also r7063 (the last one on LP) and r7064 should have been pushed in the same step..!
[02:46] <wgrant> Try --reprocess?
[02:47] <blueyed> --reprocess needs --force?!
[02:47] <lifeless> nor normally
[02:48] <blueyed> it says "has uncommitted changes"
[02:49] <blueyed> It's more a topic of #bzr anyway.. sry. Will come back to it tomorrow..
[02:50] <lifeless> blueyed: you probably want to revert first
[02:50] <blueyed> it's really odd that only one half has been pushed.
[02:51] <lifeless> blueyed: the one on the server is not a prefix of the one you are trying to push
[02:51] <blueyed> lifeless: I see, I've thought it would work from an already broken merge. however, also conflicts.
[02:51] <blueyed> lifeless: this is a cron server, who syncs every 10 minutes.. commits changesets from CVS and then pushes them.
[02:52] <lifeless> blueyed: sure, for bzr to be telling you that they have diverged, they must have diverged
[02:53] <lifeless> blueyed: 'bzr missing' can report on this for you
[02:53] <blueyed> lifeless: yes. but why? this looks like some bug: tailor has committed (e.g.) r4 and r5, then pushed that. LP.net only has r4 and now bzr says it's diverged.
[02:53] <lifeless> blueyed: the r4 on lp is not the r4 you have locally
[02:53] <wgrant> LP doesn't have r4, does it? It has some different one.
[02:53]  * wgrant is beaten again.
[02:54] <lifeless> blueyed: log --show-ids can show you the internals, or as I already suggested, use bzr missing
[02:57] <blueyed> yep, r4 on LP is a different one.. have seen this with --show-ids before.. bzr missing talks about two missing and 10 extra ones. But those get automatically committed from that cron server (only). The last changeset that got pushed (partly) successful had r3, r4 and r5. the last one on LP is now r4 and r3/r4 are extra/missing/different now.
[02:58] <lifeless> blueyed: push is atomic, it never partly works
[02:58] <lifeless> blueyed: whatever is going on is all to do with your scripts
[02:59] <blueyed> lifeless: the "scripts" is tailor, which does the commits and then "bzr push", which does the push.
[02:59] <lifeless> blueyed: so, as bzr push won't uncommit; it sounds like tailor is your root cause of problems
[03:00] <blueyed> unfortunately I have no stderr of bzr in the logs (and therefore did not notice that push stopped working now, due to uncommitted changes).
[03:00] <lifeless> blueyed: set +x is your friend
[03:04] <blueyed> lifeless: what do you mean?
[03:04] <lifeless> blueyed: bzr returns non-zero when commands fail
[03:04] <blueyed> I log to a specific logfile, using redirection, but until now only stdout got logged. however, I should gave gotten an cron mail with stderr.
[03:05] <blueyed> lifeless: so you mean "set -e"?
[03:05] <blueyed> it's the last line of the script anyway?
[03:29] <blueyed> lifeless: did you mean "set -e" instead? also, if "push" is atomic.. where should the 2/3 push come from? the revision-id even has the username/hostname of the cron server and the timestamp matches, too. only the last part of the id does not.
[03:30] <blueyed> Anyway, thanks for your support - as said, I will try to fix this tomorrow, but until now it looks like a bug in bzr. It _may_ be related to server hiccups I've experienced today, but should not.
[03:31] <lifeless> blueyed: the operation proceeds in phases, but if the final step isn't completed, the branch remains unaltered
[03:31] <lifeless> blueyed: its definitely not a bzr bug
[03:32] <lifeless> it may be a bug in how its being used; or tailor may be doing something odd - tailor has done that before
[13:39] <dereine_> is it possible to make a vcs automatic import for a ~/+junk branch
[15:53] <RachedTN> hello, I wanna to chnage the name of my team from this : https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tn-drafting to this : https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tn-editorial
[15:54] <beuno> RachedTN, sure, what seems to be the problem?
[15:55] <RachedTN> beuno: I am the coordinator of the editorial team, and our LoCo will create another group for drafting, that's why I wanna to change the name and the url :)
[15:56] <RachedTN> it's just a problem of organisation :)
[15:56] <beuno> RachedTN, sure, it sounds fine. Are you having a problem doing that?
[15:58] <RachedTN> bueuno : I really don't know how to do this : should I first create the new team, than how could I translate the members from the old team to the new team ?
[15:58] <beuno> RachedTN, just rename the team
[15:58] <RachedTN> ok, I have done this :)
[15:59] <RachedTN> beuno: could you activate the maililng list for the : https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tn-drafting
[15:59] <exarkun> Ooh, mailing lists
[16:00] <beuno> RachedTN, yes, approved
[16:00] <RachedTN> beuno: thanks a lot :)
[16:00] <RachedTN> exarkun: ??
[16:00] <exarkun> RachedTN: I like mailing lists.
[16:01] <RachedTN> exarkun: me too :)
[16:16] <RachedTN> beuno: renaming the team will not change the url, is there any possibility to change the URL, I chked the : https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tn-editorial and it's not reserved
[16:20] <beuno> RachedTN, ah, if you have a mailing list, you can't rename
[16:20] <beuno> sinzui knows all about this
[16:20] <RachedTN> beuno: ok
[16:21] <sinzui> RachedTN: Names (launchpad ids) can be changes by a Launchpad admin
[16:21] <sinzui> RachedTN: Changing a name can be dangerous if the team has a PPA or a mailing list because those artifacts have permanent urls
[16:21] <RachedTN> sinzui: what should I do, write a request on https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu  or what ?
[16:22] <RachedTN> sinzui: The mailing list was just activate few minutes later, so there is no problem with that point
[16:22] <sinzui> RachedTN: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion to get the attention of an admin
[16:23] <sinzui> RachedTN: If the their is a mailing list, the rename will fail
[16:23] <sinzui> RachedTN: the list It must be destroyed
[16:24] <RachedTN> sinzui: I will descativate the mailing list ans there is no problem if it is destroyed because I will have another one with the new url :)
[16:24] <sinzui> RachedTN: I see. I think that will be fine
[16:24] <RachedTN> sinzui, beuno : thnks for your help :)
[16:29] <christoph_debian> Hi all! anyone an Idea what goes wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/afflib/+bug/230350 it gives me some 503 for some time now ...
[17:48] <jkakar> Is it possible to create two bug tasks for a bug, targeted to the same project?
[17:48] <jkakar> I want to put a bug in more than one milestone.
[18:00] <intellectronica> jkakar: why would you want to do that?
[18:01] <Milosz> guys
[18:01] <Milosz> the amd64 package of one of my PPA sources is now building for almost 2 hours
[18:01] <Milosz> but it usually takes around 25 minutes to build
[18:01] <Milosz> on the launchpad systems
[18:01] <Milosz> could someone check whether the machine crashed?
[18:01] <Milosz> https://launchpad.net/~internalerror/+archive/ppa/+build/947426
[18:02] <Milosz> not just for me I guess but it might be generally good
[18:02] <jkakar> intellectronica: Well, we've been talking about using milestones, instead of tags, to group related things.  For example, a whole bunch of "improve-package-ui" bugs could be assigned to a "Package UI Milestone".
[18:03] <jkakar> intellectronica: The reasons for wanting this are: milestones have dates and milestones are easier to discover because you see them in the drop-down list.
[18:03] <jkakar> intellectronica: When editing tags, there's no indication of what the current official tags are.  You have to know there's a "package-ui-improvements" tag.
[18:03] <intellectronica> jkakar: interesting. but anyway, you can't do that. i think we'll have to do this using custom lists one day
[18:04] <intellectronica> jkakar: as it happens, i am just about to submit a branch that makes it very obvious and easy to use official tags :)
[18:04] <jkakar> intellectronica: Nice. :)
[18:04] <jkakar> intellectronica: Thanks for clarifying.
[18:29] <jkakar> Is there a query string I can add to this URL to pre-fill the email address: https://edge.launchpad.net/+forgottenpassword
[18:30] <ahasenack> hey guys, do you know whom I should poke to have landscape-client crash bugs opened by apport emailed to the landscape team? The way it is now, we don't get to know about them
[18:35] <kiko> ahasenack, subscribe to the landscape-client package.
[18:37] <ahasenack> kiko: hmm, I thought I was subscribed. Sorry.
[18:40] <ahasenack> kiko: hmm, I was subscribed already indeed. I think apport does something different, because it may contain sensitive data in the crash dumps, and the bug is only visible to some special group first
[18:49] <kiko> ahasenack, you only see the bug once it has been retraced and disclosed
[18:49] <kiko> you should talk to pitti to get the skinny on it


[23:15] <ehhh> jrib: i don't think i'll be going much farther than music players like amarok, a video player like vlc/ xbmc, and firefox if i want to browse some on the big screen . . i'll probably also try out wine to see how well it runs some not too demanding games but that will probably just be to test it, i want to control it all with android phone/tablet so i can browse through my music library . .
[23:16] <rypervenche> ehhh: I use mocp for my music.
[23:16] <fungus184> god im sooo fucked every fuckin corner i go... cant upload that kind of file
[23:16] <jrib> ehhh: so just use 12.04 if that works for you
[23:16] <jrib> fungus184: please mind your language.  Just select the text in the file and copy it to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:16] <fungus184> fucked fucked and than fucked again
[23:17] <rypervenche> Say goodbye to fungus.
[23:17]  * jrib assumes fungus184 is on a very slow connection
[23:17] <fungus184> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5796974/
[23:17] <fungus184> there...
[23:17] <fungus184> ive been dealing with this for like 3 weeks
[23:17] <fungus184> its very aggrivating
[23:18] <zengr> Hello, is there a way for command inotifywait to wait for a file to complete download (say its a 10gb file) and tigger?
[23:18] <jrib> fungus184: now pastebin output of « lspci -v | grep -i vga »
[23:18] <fungus184> k
[23:18] <mrpizzaface> idk
[23:18] <ehhh> rypevenche: mocp looks nice and simple, can't find apps for it though
[23:19] <jrib> zengr: well the file will be opened by the file browser until it's done
[23:19] <fungus184> orie@linux:~$ lspci -v | grep -i vga 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[23:19] <jrib> erm, web browser
[23:20] <jrib> fungus184: this is the entire output?
[23:20] <fungus184> i guess
[23:20] <jrib> I don't know what that means
[23:20] <fungus184> i linked the other
[23:20] <mrpizzaface> im trying to get ubuntu 13.4 installed on a flash drive but i cant get the writing process to complete to make it a bootable disk yet it fails at 46% complete
[23:20] <fungus184> thats what i got from the second command
[23:20] <zengr>  jrib: No, it running on an AWS machine where I scp a file to it. Once the download is complete, I want to kick another job
[23:20] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  you may want to check the bios settings also. and be sure you have as much ram dedicated to the video card as you can give it.
[23:21] <zykotick9> mrpizzaface: (i'm sorry to suggest this) BUT, did you md5 check the iso image?
[23:21] <jrib> zengr: yeah, monitor for close_write
[23:21] <mrpizzaface> md5 ?
[23:21] <ehhh> so i won't lose too much using 12.04 until i can be bothered to fresh upgrade? i can imagine they've put good work into the gui to make it as smooth as possible in their updates
[23:21] <zengr>  jrib: That command is in inotifywait?
[23:21] <mrpizzaface> (im new to linux)
[23:22] <ehhh> like is 13.04 faster than 12.04 for example
[23:22] <zykotick9> !md5sum | mrpizzaface
[23:22] <zengr> Ah, got it
[23:22] <lordcirth> ehhh: it is a little faster
[23:22] <jrib> zengr: it's not a command, but it's an event you can watch for...
[23:22] <mrpizzaface> thanks
[23:22] <Dr_willis> ehhh,  theres going to be bigger  changes in the next releases ;)
[23:22] <LucidDreamZzZ> its faster?
[23:22] <fungus184> with all do respect is this getting me any closer to raising my color depth
[23:23] <LucidDreamZzZ> dunno nv 96 is installing this time
[23:23] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  if you have a low amount of memory dedicated to your video card - it may be using a lower depth.
[23:23] <ehhh> sounds like i'll just have to brace myself :P
[23:23] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  ive not seen color depth issues in years.
[23:23] <fungus184> there is no setting in bios vor video
[23:23] <zengr>  jrib: This didn't work. inotifywait -e create -e close_write /tmp/dump/ && rm /tmp/dump/hello
[23:23] <fungus184> for
[23:23] <fungus184> tried that last night
[23:23] <Dr_willis> fungus184,  but this is a 10 yr old laptop? if i rember right
[23:24] <fungus184> yeah
[23:24] <fungus184> i got a gig of ram... i know thats not alot
[23:24] <Dr_willis> its possible  its some odd/old hardware limitation also.
[23:24] <fungus184> but for this com should be fine
[23:24] <jrib> zengr: ?
[23:25] <mrpizzaface> ubottu i gave me the code 8d72e2db7e72e13813731eab37a14d26
[23:25] <zengr>  jrib: I tried to listen to the event, it didn't wait for the file to download. inotifywait -e create -e close_write /tmp/dump/ I am downloading a file in /tmp/dump
[23:25] <fungus184> i keep getting told its odd but that chipset is in ALOT of computers
[23:25] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: fyi, nv WAS actually the name of the nvidia open source driver for many years, so saying "nv 96" doesn't make much sense, when you really mean "nvidia 96" -- that's a really old driver BTW, best of luck (you'll probably need it)
[23:25] <giwrgaras> my ubuntu 13.04 crash and diet without any reason
[23:25] <jrib> zengr: what does -e create do?
[23:25] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  it gave me the code 8d72e2db7e72e13813731eab37a14d26
[23:25] <zengr> listening for a file to be created
[23:26] <LucidDreamZzZ> good point was nv the binary?
[23:26] <giwrgaras> crashed*
[23:26] <LucidDreamZzZ> or you saying that was the open sourced one?
[23:26] <jrib> zengr: is that what you want...?  I use something like this: inotifywait -mr --timefmt '%d/%m/%y %H:%M' --format '%T %w %f' -e close_write /my/fav/dir | while read date time dir file; do
[23:26] <zykotick9> mrpizzaface: compare that with what is't suppose to be... !md5sums i think.
[23:26] <fungus184> jesus h christ i just wanna raise the color depth i am 100% positive that this can be done
[23:26] <zykotick9> !md5sums | mrpizzaface
[23:27] <giwrgaras> lol linux ease of use
[23:27] <jrib> fungus184: be patient
[23:27] <zengr>  jrib: Thanks! I will try that out, got to go now
[23:27] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9: ok lemme check the flash drive
[23:27] <fungus184> kk
[23:27] <erek> what package has "klauncher" in it?
[23:27] <jrib> !find klauncher
[23:28] <jrib> that seems not right ;)
[23:28] <erek> that's not right
[23:28] <zykotick9> lol, i would have bet a million dollars it was in kde something (for klauncher)
[23:28] <LucidDreamZzZ> ok right nv was the open sourced one hehe i mixed up been a while
[23:28] <erek> root@ubuntu:/home/erek/frei0r-plugins-1.4# apt-cache search klauncher
[23:28] <erek> xfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment
[23:28] <erek> xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin - rapid launcher plugin for the Xfce4 panel
[23:28] <jrib> erek: do you know the name of the binary for it?
[23:28] <erek> yup
[23:28] <erek> klauncher
[23:28] <jrib> it might be something like kde-launcher, etc?
[23:29] <jrib> erek: you can start it by typing "klauncher" in a terminal?
[23:29] <erek> the binary is simply "klauncher"
[23:29] <erek> nod
[23:29] <erek> somehow it disappeared
[23:29] <erek> kdenlive crashed
[23:29] <erek> and somehow a lost klauncher
[23:29] <LucidDreamZzZ> i blacklisted nouveau before running the software update center and nvidia 96 is going somehow
[23:29] <jrib> erek: dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which klauncher))
[23:29] <jrib> erek: so you don't have it?
[23:30] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: installing nvidia propritary-anything, "should" have blacklisted nouveau BTW
[23:30] <erek> dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which klauncher))
[23:30] <erek> says, readlink missing operand
[23:30] <LucidDreamZzZ> ok i will double check in modules.d
[23:30] <jrib> erek: because you don't have klauncher
[23:31] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: what card is this specifically?  "lspci | grep -i vga" if unsure.
[23:31] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  i guess i had a problem with me removing the drive
[23:31] <LucidDreamZzZ> er where was i hmm
[23:31] <erek> jrib: do you have any ideas?
[23:32] <jrib> erek: you can try « dpkg -S klauncher » but my guess is that either klauncher came from an old package or from a package not in the default repositories
[23:32] <LucidDreamZzZ> modprobe.d there might be nvidia file in there
[23:32] <yofun> Ok. Question. I installed zpanel on my server. Im haveing a bunch of issues with postfix. im running ubuntu 12.10  and the installer is for 12.04. so could most of my issues because of wrong server versions?
[23:32] <krabador> how can i search a file in command line
[23:32] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: nvidia != nouveau.  just sayin'
[23:32] <jrib> krabador: grep will search the contents of a file.  grep pattern file
[23:32] <krabador> on / and subdirectories?
[23:33] <erek> kdelibs5-dev: /usr/include/klauncher_iface.h
[23:33] <jrib> krabador: do you want to search filenames or file contents?
[23:33] <zykotick9> krabador: "find / -iname foo" is one way.
[23:33] <lhx> So has unity gotten any better? I use ubuntu on a headless server; stopped using the desktop when they went Unity and went over to Mint. Is it worth trying out Ubunutu with unity again? Or just stick to my minty ways or Kubuntu ways?
[23:33] <erek> kdelibs5-dev is already the newest version.
[23:33] <jrib> lhx: try it and use what  you like
[23:33] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  how long should it take to make the bootloader ?
[23:33] <erek> jrib: it referenced kdelibs5-dev, but that's already installed
[23:34] <jrib> erek: well that's just some header file
[23:34] <zykotick9> mrpizzaface: "make the bootloader" i have no idea what that means...
[23:34] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  it says Installing the BootLoader
[23:34] <yofun> Ok. Question. I installed zpanel on my server. Im haveing a bunch of issues with postfix. im running ubuntu 12.10  and the installer is for 12.04. so could most of my issues because of wrong server versions? (my server being ubuntu 12.10. when the installer is for ubuntu 12.04)
[23:34] <LucidDreamZzZ> zykotick9, thanks yeah i had it working iirc in 12.04 its a ti4600
[23:34] <mrpizzaface> zykotick9:  oh nvm it is done
[23:34] <reisio> zrain in spain
[23:36] <jrib> erek: what ubuntu version by the way?
[23:36] <lordcirth> lhx: I like Mint better than Ubuntu w/Unity. Faster and less toy-like interface.  Kubuntu is great, too, but not much faster.
[23:36] <erek> raring or precies, jrib
[23:38] <reisio> impossible to like Ubuntu more than Ubuntu :p
[23:39] <jrib> erek: you might try #kubuntu, but my guess is that it's some outdated binary that you had installed (I'm seeing a man page for klauncher in gutsy but not in raring)
[23:39] <lhx> lordcirth: That's what I was thinking. Which kind of Mint? I'm still using the gnome2 version (can't remember what they call it)
[23:39] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: are you sure the ti4600 uses the 96 driver?  like really sure?  'cause that's OLD by modern standards... best of luck!
[23:40] <LucidDreamZzZ> yeah i think it it the 96 series and it is kinda buggy at that
[23:40] <isomorphismes> hi, I installed a ppa (for "uberwriter") and I can't find where the executable is. I tried `which uberwriter` and nothing shows up. Using `dpkg -l` uberwriter does in fact show up as installed. Where are PPA's normally installed? It's not in /usr/bin.
[23:41] <reisio> isomorphismes: dpkg -L uberwriter | grep bin
[23:41] <reisio> probably /opt/ if it's something silly
[23:41] <isomorphismes> reisio: thank you! It was in /opt. Although I thought that's the appropriate place for such things?
[23:42] <dwxreaper> man heir, I'm not sure, but that's a cool command
[23:42] <reisio> isomorphismes: for things that are closed source, yeah
[23:42] <isomorphismes> I have been installing all my github stuff &c to /opt/ since I read more about the linux filesystem structure. (previously I had been using ~/dev which now seems much less appropriate)
[23:42] <reisio> isomorphismes: would probably use ~/local/ or something
[23:42] <LucidDreamZzZ> zykotick9, it doesnt work in text mode or something i need to fix...
[23:42] <zykotick9> isomorphismes: wait, you have a DEB install something in /opt?  really?  are you SURE?
[23:44] <woosh> So we're in agreement that System76 is okay, right?
[23:44] <jrib> fungus184: yeah, I don't really see anyone having that issue.  Are you sure you're not being thrown into failsafe X or something?
[23:44] <reisio> woosh: right
[23:44] <woosh> K
[23:45] <reisio> woosh: although they're more expensive
[23:45] <reisio> probably just because they do much lower volume
[23:45] <reisio> volume of sales*
[23:45] <woosh> Reisio: One can't hardly blame them for that.
[23:45] <reisio> indeed
[23:46] <reisio> and honestly
[23:46] <reisio> I wouldn't blame a person for paying an extra $100 or so just to avoid entirely the stink of Windows :p
[23:46] <zykotick9> LucidDreamZzZ: if you use nvidia-propritary then linux-console are going to be messed up as far as resolution (but do you mean "black screen"?).  the resolution is the penalty for using nvidia (btw, you can get decent resolution in linux-console with nvidia - somehow...).  if you have black linux-console, and you installed the driver from nvidia.com (then that is YOUR penalty for not using ubuntu drivers).
[23:48] <usercheck_> how active https?, when im use in url (firefox) it is can't.
[23:48] <usercheck_> how to active https?, when im use in url (firefox) it is can't.but if http ,it can.
[23:48] <mnemon> usercheck_: that doesn't make any sense
[23:49] <OerHeks> usercheck_, then the site has no certificates to start a https connection.
[23:50] <a-adie> I'm having trouble playing my porn videos
[23:50] <a-adie> they worked fine in windows
[23:50] <a-adie> What do I do
[23:51] <usercheck_> mnemon, make any sense?, can give me synonim of that words. i'm sorry
[23:51] <tyrog> a-adie: stop watching them for example
[23:51] <a-adie> ...
[23:51] <a-adie> tyrog, if you aren't g-going to help, then stfu
[23:51] <xangua> !language | a-adie
[23:52] <tyrog> a-adie: behave
[23:52] <a-adie> well don't treat me like that
[23:52] <Nemanja> kurac
[23:52] <Nemanja> picka
[23:52] <Nemanja> sisa
[23:52] <Nemanja> Serbian in Kosovo
[23:52] <usercheck_> oerheks: we must make certificates?soft certificate or hard ?
[23:53] <mnemon> a-adie: go to terminal and type sudo k-kill -9 -1
[23:53] <a-adie> oh look
[23:53] <zykotick9> mnemon: ".. k-kill .." what is that?
[23:53] <a-adie> someone giving i-improper a-advice
[23:53] <usercheck_> oerheks: how to configure it certificates?
[23:53] <benbloom> a-adie: what video format are they? (PS- you might get more help just saying that they're vids not specifically porn)
[23:53] <langhun> rm `ls | grep 1`   equal  ls | grep 1   ?   rm
[23:53] <a-adie> .mkv mostly
[23:53] <IdleOne> !serbian | Nemanja
[23:53] <tyrog> a-adie: use VLC
[23:53] <mnemon> zykotick9: joke ... probably a bad one.
[23:53] <langhun> what is  ?
[23:53] <Nemanja> e hvala
[23:53] <Nemanja> hvala
[23:54] <isomorphismes> zykotick9: That's what the PPA did automatically.
[23:54] <usercheck_> a-adie for be a programmer it is not good for our brain.
[23:54] <zykotick9> isomorphismes: and PPAs are unsupported in #ubuntu, FOR A REASON ;)
[23:55] <OerHeks> usercheck_, look at the server guide > https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/httpd.html#https-configuration
[23:55] <langhun> hello  every
[23:55] <usercheck_> OerHeks:thx, i will learn it sir
[23:55] <OerHeks> usercheck_, and about certificates > https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/certificates-and-security.html  have fun !
[23:56] <langhun> rm `ls | grep 1`  equal  ls | grep 1   ?   rm
[23:56] <langhun> what is  ?
[23:56] <mmercer> anyone know the frequency that upstart checks for running processes if youre using upstart to keep a process going (a daemon restart if it fails for instance )
[23:56] <mnemon> usercheck_: are you trying to use https on your own webserver or someone on some site in the internet?
[23:56] <usercheck_> OerHeks:yes,yhx sir
[23:56] <mnemon> -someone
[23:56] <reisio> langhun: use find
[23:56] <reisio> langhun: find . -iname '*1*'
[23:56] <reisio> langhun: find . -iname '*1*' -delete, etc.
[23:56] <OerHeks> mnemon, i understood external site too, but he wants to manage his own server
[23:57] <usercheck_> mnemon: just in my browser not server
[23:57] <OerHeks> oh ..
[23:58] <mnemon> usercheck_: what site are you trying to access? does https://encrypted.google.com work?
[23:58] <a-adie> thank you
[23:58] <a-adie> v-vlc makes my porn w-work
[23:58] <langhun> i want to rm 1  that name is 1
[23:58] <langhun> i forget what is  the sign  ?
[23:59] <langhun> i am  a new user with liunxx
[23:59] <usercheck_> mnemon: its not work
[23:59] <ehhh> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[23:59] <mnemon> usercheck_: what does it say?


[16:07] <blk> hey, i'm fiddling a bit with upstart 0.5 and i seem to be missing jobs.d, any hint what should go there - without booting is fast but useless ;)
[16:15] <blk> sorry, oversaw that event.d is now init/jobs.d ;)
[16:47] <blk> any reason why i shouldn't have a root directory? chdir ("/") fails with no such file or dir. -- i'm not using initramfs and init=/bin/bash works fine (there's a root=/dev/sda1 option on the kernel cmd line)
[17:28] <blk> a mailing list entry suggests it's because of proc not being mounted when upstart is called - which is the case as i'm not running an initramfs before


[01:56] <ybaumy> do i need ipv4 in order to get bootstrap working or setup a kubernetes cluster
[02:25] <rick_h_> ybaumy: yes, you mean vs you just have ipv6 right now?
[03:27] <ybaumy> rick_h_: im currently switching to ipv6 only where possible.
[03:28] <ybaumy> Connected to 2a01:238:4241:932f:250:56ff:fe8e:1a3a
[03:28] <ybaumy> Running machine configuration script...
[03:28] <ybaumy> then it hangs forever
[03:28] <ybaumy> thats the bootstrap
[03:58] <ybaumy> now i enabled ipv4 dhcp on that vlan. the controller gets an ip. but still hangs. ipv6 has precedence over ipv4 that might be the reason or?
[04:03] <rick_h_> ybaumy: hmm, yea might have to check the controller details in the .local/share/juju directory and see what IPs are written out there for the controller
[04:07] <ybaumy> rick_h_: in bootstrap-config.yaml and controller.yaml there is no ip
[04:07] <rick_h_> ybaumy: in cat .local/share/juju/controllers.yaml there's no api endpoints list of addresses?
[04:08] <ybaumy> api-endpoints: []
[04:08] <rick_h_> hmm, maybe it's not gotten far enough to write that out then. Try doing the bootstrap with --debug
[04:08] <rick_h_> and seeing what it's trying to connect to
[04:10] <ybaumy> rick_h_: i think that might have to do with router advertisement ipv6 addresses in my vlan. all nodes get an address from an official range. then ipv6 takes over even if the node has an ipv4 address. ipv6 protocoll comes first
[04:11] <ybaumy> speculating .. im running debug right now
[04:12] <ybaumy> http://pastebin.centos.org/613846/
[04:12] <rick_h_> ybaumy: gotcha, yea not sure. I know and audit was done a little bit ago on what was remaining to fully enable ipv6 and it was a short list, but don't know where it's at on the "make it so" list.
[04:12] <rick_h_> ybaumy: yea, so it's trying to ssh to the controller and failing
[04:13] <rick_h_> guessing the IPV6 address is failing to come across as a legit address to the code.
[04:13] <ybaumy> seems like it
[04:14] <ybaumy> is there a switch for turning off ipv6 in that case.. i cant disable RA on the router
[04:16] <rick_h_> so you can turn off ipv6 in the lxd setup...but what provider is this? MAAS?
[04:16] <ybaumy> vsphere
[04:17] <ybaumy> cant turn off ipv6 in esx or vcenter
[04:17] <rick_h_> oh, you walked outside my wheelhouse now.
[04:17] <rick_h_> sorry, might have to point you to the mailing list from here
[04:17] <ybaumy> hmm
[08:09] <TheAbsentOne> Am I allowed to ping marcoceppi for some juju internals questions? ^^ I was wondering if the lifecycle diagram here is still relevant: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25159191/explain-about-juju-charms-hooks-file-execution-orders and how the reactive framework can be visualised as every hook runs the reactive framework if I understand correctly?
[08:55] <chrome0> Heya, can someone comment on the semantics of open-port, specifically on conflict checking - why is it an error to try and open a port from several units (which throws "conflicts with existing x/y")
[08:57] <chrome0> Context is Bug #1750490 where we want to smoosh several units on one metal
[08:57] <mup> Bug #1750490: conflicts with existing 5666/tcp when multiple units on the same host <canonical-bootstack> <Charm Helpers:New> <NRPE Charm:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1750490>
[08:58] <chrome0> If it's for enabling firewalls, surely it would be ok to have this done from several agents?
[16:57] <rick_h_> one hour until the Juju Show #32! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jme7qiUG6SE get your party on
[17:35] <TheAbsentOne> Hey rick_h_ can I ask you another question or could you tell me who I should reach out to? Maybe through mail or twitter. It's about the lifecycle of a charm and which hooks get called when
[17:35] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: howdy, hmm. Let me see what we've got on that.
[17:37] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: hmm, so https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.3/authors-charm-hooks has some basics but not a real list by list
[17:38] <TheAbsentOne> Yeah I found this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25159191/explain-about-juju-charms-hooks-file-execution-orders
[17:38] <rick_h_> cory_fu: do you know if anyone has a full list of order going?
[17:38] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: the big thing is that it can really "depend" on what's going on after the first few
[17:38] <TheAbsentOne> I'm wondering if this is still correct and how the reactive framework works cuz every hook starts the reactive framework right?
[17:39] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: heh so you have to remember that's a layer on top of the hook exec process.
[17:39] <TheAbsentOne> Hmm I see, so I can't really visualise this? That's a pitty as it would really help out a starting charm writer
[17:39] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: so it's kind of outside all that in a way
[17:39] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: understand, I think we typically encourage folks to think in either the hook by hook space or the more event/flag sense of the reactive world
[17:39] <TheAbsentOne> Yeah correct
[17:40] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: then in the reactive world you don't really worry about the hook order, just the state transitions
[17:40] <TheAbsentOne> Maybe that's the best way to approach it, as my use case will focus on reactive "only"
[17:41] <rick_h_> if anyone has any helper charts/etc cory_fu would be the one that would know about it as he's written most of the reactive stuff
[17:41] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: I'd encourage that tbh
[17:41] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: I like to explain it like using the SDK. Sure, you can probably write working code w/o the sdk but I'd not teach it to anyone new
[17:41] <rick_h_> use the SDK guide rails
[17:42] <TheAbsentOne> But I'd really love to visualise how it works, I'm writing a piece about "juju internals" and there I kinda want to explain for a non-juju user how it all works conceptually but more technically then just talking about charms
[17:43] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: yea, understand. I'm looking but not seeing anything that's recent. Most things are pretty old.
[17:44] <TheAbsentOne> Yeah that's the only frustrating thing I encountered the past few weeks about juju :P
[17:45] <TheAbsentOne> I might try something out and post it here for verification and otherwise no visual help I guess xD thanks for the help rick_h_ really appreciate it!
[17:45] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: use the mailing list. It's a good carrot for folks getting the ball rolling
[17:45] <rick_h_> "hey, I'm working on xxxx and have this but would love more detail..."
[17:46] <rick_h_> I'm sure some folks have things but doesn't look like it's out of their own notes and into something more public facing
[17:47] <TheAbsentOne> Yeah well thought about that but I'm kinda hesitant as a newbie I don't really think my questions belong there
[17:48] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: permission granted :P
[17:49] <TheAbsentOne> I'm gonna ask my supervisors first I think before they receive my email hehe but I'll think about it thanks for the suggestion
[17:50] <TheAbsentOne> I'm allready subscribed so it's only mailing to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[17:50] <rick_h_> TheAbsentOne: yea, that's the list
[17:50] <TheAbsentOne> greath thanks again rick_h_ !
[17:50] <rick_h_> best way to kick off a conversation with folks and get lots of great feedback and completely for beginners as well to ask things :)
[17:50] <rick_h_> 10minutes until the juju show!!!
[17:52] <TheAbsentOne> Looking forward to it ^^
[17:53] <rick_h_> The Juju Show - participation link: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/pnxg6ftkjfhp3d5rcfjamilurme
[17:53] <rick_h_> The streaming link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jme7qiUG6SE
[17:54] <rick_h_> cory_fu: kwmonroe bdx hml and other magicaltrout and other folks ^
[17:57] <kwmonroe> sorry rick_h_, gonna have to sit this one out :/
[17:57] <rick_h_> kwmonroe: boooo, but have fun
[18:15] <bdx> rick_h: fyi - https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic/issues/109
[18:15] <bdx> didn't mean to rain on your parade :)
[18:16] <rick_h_> bdx: ah ok cool
[18:16] <rick_h_> I hadn't seen that one yet
[18:57] <TheAbsentOne> this juju show was so important to me xD I completely forgot about actions