[00:02] <ice9> who already tried 14.04?
[01:19] <darkangel> On Ubuntu can you make a site with out port forwarding or do u still have to do that?
[01:21] <CarlFK> darkangel: um... I suspect .. um.. what?
[01:22] <darkangel> when you make a site out of HTML do u need to port forward it to make it public?
[01:24] <CarlFK> "no"
[01:25] <CarlFK> but I am guessing you aren't asking the right question
[01:25] <CarlFK> web developers mostly always do their work on a private machine
[01:25] <CarlFK> and then later deploy it to a public machine
[01:26] <CarlFK> private/public is defined by how the router the machine is connected to, not the machine itself
[03:01] <thiebaude> Hey everyone, is there anyway to disable login sound on ubuntu 14.04?
[03:02] <CarlFK> thiebaude: sec.. i may have that
[03:02] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[03:04] <CarlFK> CONF=/usr/share/gnome/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop
[03:04] <CarlFK> if [ -f $CONF ]; then   echo X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false >> $CONF
[03:05] <thiebaude> ok thanks i'll do that
[03:08] <thiebaude> CarlFK, i would try that by using ubuntu-tweak but its seems that does not work on my laptop and desktop anymore
[03:14] <thiebaude> CarlFK, was i suppose to type that in the terminal?
[03:14] <CarlFK> echo X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false>>/usr/share/gnome/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop
[03:14] <CarlFK> that's a little easier (and yes)
[03:14] <thiebaude> wish there was copy and paste in xchat
[03:15] <CarlFK> can you highlight it with the mouse?
[03:15] <thiebaude> yes i highlight it but then i cant select paste
[03:16] <CarlFK> with it highlighted, middle click somewhere you can normally type (like a terminal)
[03:16] <thiebaude> ok
[03:16] <utusan> use chatzilla instead
[03:18] <CarlFK> http://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html  "It happens that X11 programs have a second way of copying   and pasting text that is orthogonal to the Edit/Copy way described   above."
[03:18] <thiebaude> i got it i found an option to save it as text, phew
[04:22] <tootights> Hello. I've just installed 14.04 but have no sound. I have an Asuz Z87-plus which has onboard digital audio. I have never gotten the sound to work...Any ideas?
[04:27] <tootights> The system settings shows multiple audio devices, but I can't get sound from any of them.
[04:41] <tootights> Hello
[07:54] <alfonsojon> Hi. Is there any progress on exynos support in 14.04?
[07:54] <alfonsojon> The Exynos 5250 in particular.
[08:17] <e01> ubuntu 14.04 still will using compiz, right?
[08:19] <akiva-mobile> e01, yes
[08:19] <akiva-mobile> e01, why?
[08:19] <e01> because i hate compiz
[08:19] <akiva-mobile> e01, why?
[08:19] <e01> it's ugly piece of code
[08:20] <e01> and work buggy
[08:20] <akiva-mobile> e01, are you a programmer?
[08:20] <e01> yes
[08:20] <akiva-mobile> e01, Why is it ugly?
[08:20] <e01> 10x for answering about compiz using
[08:20] <akiva-mobile> Its more unmaintained if you ask me
[08:21] <e01> thats too
[08:21] <akiva-mobile> e01, like its performance is fantastic
[08:21] <e01> just i can't figure out why canonical choice compiz
[08:21] <akiva-mobile> e01, As opposed to what?
[08:21] <akiva-mobile> Beryl?
[08:22] <e01> it's not so hard to write some simple window manager, i just don't understand why is using some functionsrich wm just for managing windows
[08:23] <e01> mutter is an option :D
[08:23] <akiva-mobile> e01, i have never heard of mutter
[08:23] <e01> also compiz works really buggy flickering and bricky on all my hardware in all these years
[08:24] <akiva-mobile> e01 a lot of these issues are related to x11 though
[08:24] <akiva-mobile> like for example; a wobbly window in which you can see the titlebar seperate from the window, is something that has to do with x
[08:24] <e01> but while they planning to replace x11 to mir i expected they had own solution for managing windows
[08:25] <akiva-mobile> e01, it is a lot of work, and in 14.10,
[08:25] <akiva-mobile> they will have unity 8, and mir
[08:26] <akiva-mobile> e01, have you thought about contributing to ubuntu? I am in the process of trying to branch unity8 desktop session
[08:27] <e01> ahm.. had no time to contribute
[08:27] <e01> just test ubuntu nightly every 1-2 months to see the progress of the distro
[08:27] <akiva-mobile> e01, have you thought about donating to ubuntu? You can choose where their funds go
[08:27] <e01> while i am stick to 10.4 on my workpc
[08:28] <akiva-mobile> your*
[08:28] <e01> once
[08:28] <e01> with ~5eur
[08:28] <akiva-mobile> Perhaps you should donate again to their window manager.
[08:28] <e01> $
[08:28] <e01> :)
[08:29] <akiva-mobile> :)
[08:29] <akiva-mobile> e01, if you find the time; you should try ubuntu-touch
[08:29] <akiva-mobile> its pretty amazing
[08:29] <e01> next my donation will be when i will be pleasured from the distro
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> e01, then you should definitely try the ubuntu-touch
[08:30] <e01> akiva-mobile: heh, may be, last time when i test it on my n4 (may be year ago) i brick my phone :D
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> hopefully we will have a tablet and phone by the end of this year
[08:30] <akiva-mobile> wow; bricked it eh?
[08:30] <e01> i will never do it again until i see official it on phones from vendors
[08:31] <e01> yup
[08:31] <e01> i see just a blue light
[08:31] <akiva-mobile> havn't tried flashing the bios?
[08:31] <ggreer> I have a *really* annoying problem with 14.04: about half the time I start it up, gnome keyring daemon isn't running
[08:31] <ggreer> so my ssh key passphrases and other stuff aren't remembered
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> ggreer, that does sound annoying, have you checked to see if there is a bug reported?
[08:32] <ggreer> every time I ssh or git pull/push or anything, I have to type it again
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> O_O
[08:32] <ggreer> I looked around a little. it's hard to find anyone reporting an intermittent error
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> ggreer, I know what you mean; its hard to explain this
[08:32] <akiva-mobile> any idea how to reproduce the bug?
[08:33] <akiva-mobile> Did you do a fresh install or upgrade?
[08:33] <ggreer> turn on computer. open terminal. run ssh blah or cd ~/code/whatever and git pull. around half the time, it will pop open a gnome input and ask me for my ssh key passphrase. half the time it'll prompt me in the command line, and do so every time until I restart
[08:34] <ggreer> fresh install
[08:35] <ggreer> I've been using ubuntu for 7 years and never had this bug. it's so weird
[08:35] <akiva-mobile> ggreer, is this the keyring bundled by ubuntu? or a seperate gnome one?
[08:36] <ggreer> whatever comes with ubuntu. I have no 3rd party ppas besides the one for google chrome
[08:38] <akiva-mobile> ggreer, did you play with the settings, to automatically prompt you to unlock it on bootup
[08:38] <ggreer> I didn't mess with the default settings beyond changing my desktop background and switching to zsh
[08:38] <ggreer> (only for my user, not all users)
[08:38] <ggreer> I have the same zsh setup on two other ubuntu machines and this doesn't happen on them
[08:38] <akiva-mobile> ggreer, maybe the software changed in 14.04
[08:38] <ggreer> although they're 13.10
[08:39] <ggreer> please stop mentioning my name. it highlights my IRC client
[08:39] <akiva-mobile> o_o
[08:39] <akiva-mobile> :P
[08:42] <ggreer> you can say things, just don't prefix them with ggreer unless you want to get my attention
[09:17] <kblin> morning folks
[09:18] <kblin> anybody else seeing a very instable wifi connection using WPA2 entrerprise auth?
[09:18] <kblin> for my, sometimes the wifi just dies, and I need to "killall NetworkManager" to get it going again
[09:23] <akiva-mobile> kblin, Did you check for a bug? If it doesnt exist; its important that you file one
[09:23] <akiva-mobile> 14.04 is a big release
[09:23] <kblin> I'm not even sure what to file a bug against
[09:34] <kblin> still digging through network manager bug reports, can take a while
[09:39] <msx> hello! since earlier today I'm getting these errors for official repositories: : GPG error: http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[09:39] <msx> any idea about it?
[09:41] <ikonia> msx: that repo has not updated its key ?
[09:41] <msx> ikonia: o/
[09:41] <msx> ikonia: to be honest IDK, i've been using 14.04 since a month or so and until today it was a smooth sail
[09:42] <TJ-> msx: Archive update in progress; see http://ftp.ccc.uba.ar/pub/linux/ubuntu/
[09:42] <msx> ikonia: i'm somewhat new to ubuntu/debian, how can i reset the keys or download the correct ones?
[09:43] <msx> TJ-: HA! phew, at least
[09:43] <msx> TJ-: tnx! :D
[09:43] <ikonia> msx: if you are new to ubuntu why are you using development releases and not expecting them to break during the development process ?
[09:44] <msx> ikonia: *somewhat*, it's been some years i don't ubuntu
[09:44] <ikonia> ok, that still doesn't change what I said
[09:45] <msx> ikonia: yes it does bc i didn't say i expected anything else, i'm just curious about this error and, to be true, this comes handy to start learning some ubuntu internals
[09:46] <TJ-> msx: I've always thought apt would be better if it watched for that file in the archive
[09:46] <kblin> hmm, looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1226932
[09:47] <msx> TJ-: absolutely! i will check the bugtracker and if there's nothing about it, open a ticket
[09:47] <kblin> but seeing how long NetworkManager bugs go unfixed, I'll be happy to see it fixed in 18.04
[09:47] <msx> TJ-: as you well say it's a handy and needed feature
[09:47] <TJ-> msx: I might spend some hack-time to add it :) But it'll be 999 on my TODO list :)
[09:48] <msx> TJ-: oh yes! the urgent things takes precedence over the important ones - i know a lot about that, lol
[09:48] <TJ-> kblin: Is your network using PEAP or TKIP?
[09:59] <msx> TJ-: I just checked with archive.ubuntu.com which doesn't seem to be under any maintenance and still have the same error
[10:00] <TJ-> msx: Was this for a "apt-get update" ?
[10:00] <msx> absolutely
[10:00] <msx> W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty-security Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[10:01] <msx> @zyga from #ubuntu-devel suggested a proxy issue
[10:01] <msx> I'm not sure as I'm directly connected to the net
[10:01] <msx> and I'm having this issue only with official repos
[10:02] <TJ-> msx: OK, well that key is the Ubuntu Archive signing key
[10:05] <TJ-> msx: Can you pastebin the output from "apt-cache policy 'ubuntu.*keyring' "
[10:05] <msx> TJ-: okay, so the key is valid
[10:05] <msx> TJ-: absolutely, thank you very much for your time, just a sec..
[10:05] <kblin> TJ-: PEAP, but without a CA cert
[10:05] <TJ-> msx: The issue is, it looks as if your local system doesn't have that key in the keyring, which is 'weird'!
[10:06] <TJ-> kblin: PEAP seems to be the common factor in those bugs, I wonder if that could help isolate where the changes that caused the regression are
[10:08] <msx> TJ-: here it is, http://pastebin.com/8YGaifuD . Now, i don't remember having touch anything regarding the keys (really!) but let's just say they're gone, how do I aquire them again and add them to the keyring? apt-key?
[10:08] <kblin> TJ-: possibly, just having a hard time getting a reproducer set up where I control the infrastructure
[10:09] <kblin> e.g. my suspicion is that the missing CA cert might be a factor, because NM is really, really unhappy about that
[10:09] <kblin> but so far I haven't been able to convince IT to fix this
[10:12] <TJ-> kblin: I'd do "tail -f /var/log/syslog" whilst starting the connection attempt, to see what is happening in real-time. I'm looking at that bug and the key line I've identified is "device state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets') "
[10:13] <TJ-> kblin: It looks as if Network Manager is somehow forgetting/corrupting the stored secret, which means there's nothing to pass on to wpa_supplicant, which is responsible for the actual auth attempt
[10:13] <msx> TJ-: if you're still with my issue take a break, i think i found the solution, keep you informed
[10:13] <TJ-> msx: OK, your package list is correct
[10:14] <msx> TJ-: now that i know what to search i came with a forum post with this very same issue from a few years ago: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1880461 gonna try it
[10:14] <msx> s fix
[10:15] <TJ-> msx: Do it in 2 stages; don't do the "apt-key adv ..." since you already (should) have that key in the ubuntu-keyrings package.
[10:16] <TJ-> msx: The error message from apt can often be misleading; the actual error is corrupted partial package lists caused by the archive update altering those files just as you're trying to download them, and apt not realising, or cleaning up itself when it hits a list file that is incomplete
[10:17] <msx> TJ-: roger that
[10:20] <msx> TJ-: *update* done renaming ./lists, creating ./lists-partial and then apt-get update: still the same error
[10:20] <msx> and yes, ubuntu-keyring is installed
[10:23] <TJ-> msx: OK, let's see if you have a local copy of the archive, then we'll check if you have the key in the keyring
[10:23] <msx> TJ-: wait, i think you'll love this: http://pastebin.com/Zr9TppeL
[10:24] <msx> TJ-: i may be saying the dumbest thing in the world but, has the keyring any size limit?
[10:24] <msx> *might
[10:24] <TJ-> msx: nice catch!
[10:24] <msx> cool, now, what's happening!
[10:25] <TJ-> Corrupted local package maybe? Show me "md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-keyring*.deb"
[10:26] <msx> TJ-: 5ea5547e8f83b77d913b152a51d44edc
[10:27] <TJ-> msx: compare that with "wget O - http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-keyring/ubuntu-keyring_2012.05.19_all.deb 2>/dev/null | md5sum -"
[10:28] <msx> TJ-: okay, i have a different checksum, it is safe to just remove the .deb or should i completely uninstall ubuntu-keyring and install it again?
[10:29] <TJ-> msx: lets do some more research first, since the errors in that pastebin are about the webupd8team keys
[10:30] <msx> TJ-: sounds funny, let's do it!
[10:30] <TJ-> msx: see bug #1263540
[10:31] <msx> TJ-: excellent, i'm adding my own issue there now then
[10:32] <TJ-> msx: The debian bug explains the issue ... too many keyrings being passed to gpg
[10:35] <TJ-> msx: Summary is, remove empty keyrings from "/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/"
[10:40] <elhoir> BluesKaj, hey
[10:40] <cfhowlett> I would like to get 14.04 but I need to torrent.  Direct downloads *always* get scrambled on their way to China.  Where would I find the daily build torrent?
[10:40] <elhoir> BluesKaj, continuing with your yesterday last question - no, i had no other HDD attached to the laptop
[10:41] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:41] <elhoir> cfhowlett, you can get the torrent from ubuntu.com
[10:41] <elhoir> same ftp site as the daily build :)
[10:41] <elhoir> (iirc)
[10:42] <elhoir> BluesKaj, i have just downloaded 13.10 and build a live-USB from it. Letsw see if this works now
[10:42] <msx> TJ-: :D
[10:43] <msx> TJ-: don't forget to tell me where to send the pizza and cold beers
[10:43] <elhoir> msx, here! :PPP
[10:43] <msx> elhoir: lol, jotting it down ;)
[10:43] <elhoir> ^^
[10:44] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/14.04/beta-1/
[10:44] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, thank you!
[10:44] <TJ-> msx: mmmm breakfast :)
[10:45] <msx> TJ-: haha, UTC-3 here, 07:45AM, so yes, breakfast indeed!
[10:45] <TJ-> msx: Did that fix it?
[10:45] <BluesKaj> cfhowlett, yw
[10:45] <msx> TJ-: beautifully!
[10:45] <TJ-> msx: bit of a nasty one, that!
[10:46] <msx> i added this extra info the the bug comment
[10:46] <msx> you tell m!! Btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1263540/comments/7
[10:46] <msx> again, thanks a lot 4 the time spared (y)
[10:47] <TJ-> msx: reinforces what I'm always telling people... when debugging get hard facts from logs/error reports, don't guess :)
[10:48] <msx> TJ-: as a friend likes to say, "it's in the logs"
[10:48] <TJ-> msx: "except when it isn't" :p
[10:48] <msx> haha, oc
[10:49] <msx> ahh, well, i can go bed now with a smile, see you
[10:49] <TJ-> O.o
[10:50] <BluesKaj> elhoir, once you've updated/upgraded and dist-upgraded 13.10 run, sudo do-release-upgrade -d.  to install 14.04 from the internet, if you wish.
[10:51] <elhoir> BluesKaj, yeah, thats what im gonna do
[10:51] <elhoir> hope 13.10 works :-/
[10:52] <BluesKaj> can't figure why the 14.04 installer isn't working
[10:56] <akiva-mobile> BluesKaj, what do you mean?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> akiva-mobile, elhoir is trying to instll 14.04 from a usb , but he gets a kernel panic before the install/try ubuntu page
[10:59] <TJ-> BluesKaj: And checked the obvious things? checksum of the image, architecture of the installer matches the CPU?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> elhoir, ^
[11:01] <TJ-> elhoir: Also, if you're using USB, try different ports, direct-connection rather than a USB hub, and so on... any permutations of that nature can often reveal an (intermittent) fault in the hardware side
[11:02] <BluesKaj> TJ-, i assumed ppl who are installing edgy/dev OSs do so when trouble occurs
[11:03] <cfhowlett> BluesKaj, I always assume people actually read the literature - guess how that turned out ...
[11:04] <akiva-mobile> cfhowlett, ubuntu 12.n
[11:04] <akiva-mobile> :P
[11:04] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I dunno; sometimes we install to gain needed features. I recall the apache 2.2 > 2.4 release which added TLS PFC, had that installed on servers as soon as it got into the repos.
[11:04] <cfhowlett> akiva-mobile, LTS only gets to touch my machine.
[11:05] <akiva-mobile> cfhowlett, B-b-b-but what about all the bells and whistles?!
[11:05] <BluesKaj> yeah, the old  saying , never assume , but in this case a certain level of experience and knowledge is understood
[11:06] <cfhowlett> human nature - and today we had our first "Hey, where can I get 14.10?" query.  Color me amazed.
[11:06] <TJ-> cfhowlett: I think that's more laziness than anything; I've noticed that people will rather ask someone else than research for themselves.... especially students! :D
[11:06] <BluesKaj> :)
[11:06] <akiva-mobile> cfhowlett, that was me! :<
[11:07] <cfhowlett> akiva-mobile, :) no offense.  You wouldn't believe the silly questions I've posed here.
[11:07] <akiva-mobile> cfhowlett, none taken; there is not enough time in the world to read all the documentation out there.
[11:07] <cfhowlett> TJ-, I'm inclined to agree.
[11:07] <BluesKaj> ok stuff to do for a few mins ...bbiab
[11:08] <elhoir> BluesKaj, im booting 13.10
[11:08] <elhoir> when getting into the GUI (Gnome), screen gets blnk
[11:08] <elhoir> and it doesnt continue
[11:08] <elhoir> is it normal?
[11:08] <elhoir> blank*
[11:09] <TJ-> elhoir: Is that just an xserver problem? Can you switch to a text console using Ctrl+Alt+F1, for example?
[11:10] <elhoir> let me try...
[11:10] <elhoir> no
[11:10] <elhoir> i cant
[11:10] <elhoir> :(
[11:11] <TJ-> elhoir: Does it change the screen at all, or simply no discernible response from the system?
[11:11] <elhoir> does anyone know if theres any incompatibility between Ubuntu and an Acer Aspire E1-522 laptop  ?
[11:11] <elhoir> TJ-, no discernible response from system
[11:12] <TJ-> elhoir: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne522
[11:12] <TJ-> elhoir: in particular, see the "Booting USB media" section which describes problems booting USB media
[11:13] <elhoir> " setting "Network Boot" as the first boot device in the BIOS; see the Booting USB media section below for more details."
[11:13] <elhoir> what the....
[11:13] <elhoir> oh noes
[11:13] <elhoir> lol
[11:13] <TJ-> elhoir: Also, under "Desktop effects" "Both with open-source and with Catalyst drivers the performance of Unity is slow,"
[11:15] <elhoir> but.. mine is not a netbook
[11:15] <elhoir> only a laptop
[11:15] <elhoir> however should be the same, imo...
[11:15] <Chipaca> so... network manager now thinks i'm “connected (site only)”, and some services have stopped working
[11:15] <Chipaca> is this a known bug?
[11:15] <elhoir> lets try that!
[11:21] <elhoir> it didnt work :(
[11:21] <elhoir> screen stays blank
[11:21] <TJ-> elhoir: What were you trying?
[11:22] <elhoir> install UBuntu 14.04 in this lapttop
[11:22] <elhoir> via USB-stick
[11:22] <elhoir> when using 14.04 in USB stick, it does boot, but it detects the HDD as empty
[11:22] <TJ-> elhoir: OK... have you confirmed the checksum of the image on the USB device matches the ISO checksum?
[11:23] <elhoir> TJ-, no, but i have checked the disk when booting with it and its OK
[11:23] <TJ-> elhoir: You mean it doesn't detect partitions?
[11:23] <elhoir> TJ-, yes
[11:23] <TJ-> elhoir: OK, let me do some research
[11:23] <elhoir> and 13.10 is as im telling now - blank screen
[11:23] <elhoir> its really odd
[11:24] <elhoir> 1st time in my Ubuntu life i face this
[11:24] <TJ-> elhoir: Have you done a memtest in case there's a memory module fault?
[11:24] <elhoir> TJ-, no i havent
[11:24] <elhoir> should i?
[11:24] <elhoir> its a new laptop, bought on Tuesday xD
[11:25] <TJ-> elhoir: I'd highly recommend it; I've discovered sticky bits on many systems causing 'weird' issues that way. Let it run for 1/2 hour or so
[11:25] <elhoir> ok....
[11:25] <elhoir> hang a sec
[11:25] <TJ-> elhoir: If there aren't any problems, at least we can have confidence in discounting that as a potential problem
[11:27] <elhoir> TJ-, ok, memtest running
[11:28] <TJ-> elhoir: Focusing on the installer no-hard-disk-partitions issue, I'd suggest, once you've done "Try Ubuntu" and then started the installer, starting a terminal and checking the boot log in case there are disk-read problems (check /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog)
[11:30] <elhoir> TJ, ok, i will try
[11:31] <elhoir> no errors yet, 4m30s elapsed time
[11:32] <elhoir> i would hate Acer at all if i cant install Ubuntu in their hardware
[11:32] <TJ-> elhoir: I'm looking at bug #1289980 which has logs attached, including the BootDmesg, so you could compare your system's Dmesg reports about the hard drive, with that one. searching for "ata" and "ahci" and "sda" should get you most of the applicable entries
[11:33] <TJ-> elhoir: In that BootDmesg log, at time offset 3.191367, the disk discovery starts
[11:34] <elhoir> but it doesnt say anything about partitions
[11:34] <elhoir> only the physycal disk
[11:34]  * BluesKaj wonders if elhoir has a GPT partition that could be preventing Ubiquity from reading the disk.
[11:35] <TJ-> elhoir: it does... look further down for "[    3.281726]  sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >"
[11:35] <elhoir> BluesKaj, i guess nope, i deleted all partitions when downgrading to Win7
[11:35] <TJ-> elhoir: That is how the kernel reports discovered partitions
[11:35] <elhoir> TJ-, oh true, sorry
[11:35] <TJ-> "deleted all partitions" ? is the HDD partition-table-less then?
[11:35] <elhoir> TJ-, lol, no!
[11:36] <elhoir> laptop came with Win8 installed
[11:36] <elhoir> i reformatted HDD and installed Win7
[11:36] <Chipaca> $ ubuntu-bug network-manager
[11:36] <Chipaca> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:36] <TJ-> elhoir: OK, so what (should) it have now? MBR or GPT ?
[11:36] <elhoir> MBR
[11:37] <BluesKaj> elhoir, did you wipe the whole drive and create anew partition table?
[11:37] <elhoir> BluesKaj, i used the Win7 installer partition creator
[11:37] <TJ-> elhoir: OK. So, once the memtest is stopped, you can retry the installer, and look at its dmesg... posssibly pastebinit for us
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hmm, that might havepreserved the GPT
[11:38] <elhoir> TJ that will take some time... i have to reformat USB stick and load 14.04 in it......
[11:38] <TJ-> elhoir: So, am I correct in thinking that when the installer partitioning tool starts, it shows the hard drive but doesn't show any partitions on the drive?
[11:38] <TJ-> elhoir: Ahhh, OK... these things often do!
[11:38] <elhoir> TJ-, yes, its correct
[11:38] <elhoir> BluesKaj, how can i check it?
[11:39] <elhoir> BluesKaj, also, should Win7 boot if i have a GPT instead of MBR ?
[11:39] <TJ-> BluesKaj: GPT won't upset the installer; it can handle GPT and MBR
[11:40] <BluesKaj> TJ-, http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/bios.html
[11:42] <BluesKaj> anyway gotta leave for a bit ... bb in 30 mins
[11:47] <elhoir> TJ-, BluesKaj ok, formatting the USB now
[11:49] <elhoir> there is a BIOS update in the Acer web page
[11:50] <elhoir> maybe i should try to install it
[11:51] <TJ-> elhoir: Is the system UEFI or legacy? From what I'm seeing that model is UEFI
[11:52] <elhoir> TJ-, yes, but i changed it to legacy before installing Win7
[11:52] <elhoir> so now is legacy
[11:53] <TJ-> elhoir: No, the answer is "it is UEFI" ... UEFI has a 'legacy' Compatibility Support Module (CSM) to provide BIOS services to boot-loaders/OSes that don't support UEFI.
[11:54] <TJ-> elhoir: So, what I'm suspecting is you're probably trying to install in legacy mode on a disk that has GPT and has no protective MBR
[11:55] <elhoir> TJ-, i installed win7 in legacy mode too
[11:55] <elhoir> thats why im so confused
[11:56] <TJ-> elhoir: I'd recommend installing in UEFI mode, saves a *lot* of problems. To do that, at start-up, you should be able to call up the system's boot menu and select the USB option that is *not* legacy... different firmwares use different phrases to describe the UEFI and legacy boot alternatives so you'll need to use your intelligence to figure out which is which
[11:56] <elhoir> TJ-, but does win7 install in UEFI mode?
[11:56] <TJ-> elhoir: Are you wanting to install Ubuntu alongside Windows, or totally replace it?
[11:56] <elhoir> TJ-, alongside
[11:57] <elhoir> dual boot
[11:57] <elhoir> man, i wont have had any problems i i had wanted to replace Windows :)
[11:57] <elhoir> i wouldnt have had*
[11:58] <TJ-> elhoir: Yes, Win 7 64-bit can install in EFI mode
[11:58] <TJ-> elhoir: I prefer UEFI, it's much better design than the hack-a-mess that is BIOS/MBR for multiboot support
[11:59] <elhoir> that would require me to re-format and re-install all software lol
[11:59] <elhoir> well, i can try
[11:59] <TJ-> elhoir: Why?
[11:59] <elhoir> TJ-, because i would have to re-install win7 in UEFI mode, should i?
[12:00] <varikonniemi> the beta2 still has the ui issue: when selecting shutdown/restart it defaults to shutdown and will only show restart text after mouseover. So even if you click restart, up comes a window with two buttons, one says shutdown, one says nothing.
[12:01] <TJ-> elhoir: If there is a GPT on the HDD then Windows will be using EFI mode.
[12:01] <varikonniemi> touchscreen users cannot get mouseover, so they are confused forever, mouse users until they realize mouseover effect
[12:01] <TJ-> elhoir: We're speculating until we can actually look at the drive though
[12:02] <elhoir> TJ-, using EFI mode? hows that? i have set the BIOS to use legacy , not UEFI
[12:04] <TJ-> elhoir: When you *enable* legacy it doesn't disable EFI, it usually just makes it available as a fallback, rather than disabling all EFI services. It does depend on the particular UEFI firmware though, so can't be 100% on that.
[12:05] <elhoir> TJ-, oh, ok
[12:05] <elhoir> so i should be able to change to EFI
[12:05] <elhoir> and then try again ith Ubuntu ?
[12:05] <elhoir> with*
[12:09] <BluesKaj> !UEFI
[12:10] <TJ-> elhoir: *usually* what happens at boot-time is, the firmware first tries to boot from entries in the boot-menu order. When legacy mode is enabled it can try both EFI and legacy mode. For simple-boot (from ISO images) it looks for a GPT, then a fat32 partition of type ESP (0xEF00), and then mounts that file-system and looks for "/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi"
[12:11] <elhoir> aha
[12:11] <elhoir> ok i have the USB ready with 14.04 again.... now my mother is using the laptop so i cant check.....
[12:12] <elhoir> will try in some minutes
[12:13] <TJ-> elhoir: If the EFI boot-loader search fails it may (if CSM is enabled) hand over to the CSM which will do a legacy boot (read sector 0 of device, put it at 0x7C00 in memory, and then hand over execution to it.)
[12:14] <TJ-> elhoir: If the device is an ISO (DVD or USB image) it'll use the el-torito boot specification to find and load the boot-loader from the device
[12:15] <elhoir> no, its not an ISO
[12:15] <elhoir> is a USB.-live
[12:18] <BluesKaj> elhoir, that's still an iso if you copied the image to the usb stick
[12:18] <TJ-> elhoir: Which is an ISO image
[12:19] <TJ-> elhoir: With USB on UEFI, when the firmware sees the USB device it'll check if it has a UEFI boot loader, and if so, it'll add an USB EFI boot option to the boot menu, and if there's a 'legacy' boot-loader, it'll add that too
[12:20] <TJ-> elhoir: and to complicate matters, USB devices can look like DVDs (ISO style layout) or regular hard disks
[12:22] <elhoir> BluesKaj, well i used the boot-disk-creator under Ubuntu
[12:23] <TJ-> elhoir: Most live-USB's are simply a bit-wise copy of the ISO image into the USB device starting at sector 0, so it can emulate a DVD
[12:23] <elhoir> oh
[12:23] <elhoir> i didnt know it
[12:24] <elhoir> well
[12:24] <elhoir> what should be my next step?
[12:24] <TJ-> You're learning the deep internals of booting today :)
[12:24] <elhoir> change BIOS to EFI and start USb-live ?
[12:24] <elhoir> TJ-, yeah, and its awesome :)
[12:24] <elhoir> THANK YOU
[12:24] <elhoir> :)
[12:24] <TJ-> Once the USB is ready, boot the system from it using EFI mode if you have that option, do "Try Ubuntu", and then lets see what linux sees on that hard disk
[12:25] <elhoir> ok
[12:25] <elhoir> usb is ready, laptop is not - my mother is using it xD
[12:25] <TJ-> elhoir: hahaha... it doesn't matter if you can't 100% certain boot in EFI mode, we don't need it to inspect the hard drive to discover the partitioning scheme.
[12:26] <TJ-> elhoir: I think we have 2 things to do: 1) determine the partitioning scheme (MBR or GPT), and 2) determine which boot mode Windows 7 is using, UEFI or MBR
[12:26] <TJ-> elhoir: with that knowledge we can determine how to proceed
[12:28] <BluesKaj> I used a dvd image/iso to install kubuntu in legacy mode after I wiped the HDD and created / and /home and swap partitions with gparted live cd. The old fashioned method , but it worked without a hitch.
[12:29] <TJ-> BluesKaj: Yeah, I think most issues are caused by a multiboot requirement where MBR and GPT are mixed up with EFI and CSM
[12:29] <elhoir> TJ-, so next step, booting Ubuntu , doing "dmesg" and look for the boot process, isnt it?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> This laptop is linux exclusive...windows 7 is a guest OS in VB, and runs fine too.
[12:30] <TJ-> UEFI is way better for multiboot since it directly handles the multiboot requirement, which means we don't need GRUB to 'know' about the Windows/OtherOS installations
[12:30] <BluesKaj> TJ-, yeah , no doubt
[12:30] <TJ-> elhoir: Yes, dmesg is the first thing, then we'll use some tools to examine the disk in more detail if needed.
[12:30] <elhoir> BluesKaj, the shit is that i cant make any of my computers linux-exclusive, since printer does not have linux drivers :(
[12:30] <BluesKaj> lexmark I bet
[12:30] <elhoir> nope
[12:31] <elhoir> olivetti
[12:31] <elhoir> any way photo
[12:31] <BluesKaj> oh that's even more obscure for linux
[12:32] <TJ-> elhoir: Yes, that is often an issue. I use network-attached printers for that reason, makes things a lot easier to manage in most cases
[12:33] <BluesKaj> wife has a lexmark, no linux drivers for her model , altho they do provide linux drivers for their office type printers(commercial) since a lot of print servers are linux
[12:34] <akiva-mobile> BluesKaj, Used to sell printers. Don't buy lexmarks; they are rubbish.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> so I just copy whatever needs printing to her pc and print frrom there via samba
[12:34] <elhoir> i could use a vm for printing... but sometimes usb fails under Linux
[12:35] <elhoir> so the vm doesnt see any usb device connected
[12:35] <TJ-> elhoir: One solution I've implemented for clients is to have a minimal XP virtual machine with the drivers installed and the printer's host connection redirected to to the VM, share the printer on the Windows network, and then on the Linux side use samba's print services to use the printer!
[12:35] <elhoir> wtf
[12:36] <elhoir> thats a complicasted way
[12:36] <elhoir> xd
[12:36] <elhoir> complicated*
[12:36] <BluesKaj> vm windows guest OSs don't always see the local windows network
[12:36] <TJ-> elhoir: But once configured, it's seamless :)
[12:37] <elhoir> TJ-, :)
[12:37]  * elhoir still waits laptop to be free
[12:37] <TJ-> elhoir: Easier than requiring a dual-boot and shuffling things around
[12:39] <elhoir> so, if i understand correctly, samba thinks you are using a local printer, but you are redirecting this "local" printer to the VM
[12:39] <elhoir> am i right?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> I'm just learning about VMs like VB, and i know there are work arounds for drivers etc to bypass the HW drivers provided by the VB, but I haven't researched that aspect of them yet, maybe I'll get around to it one of these days
[12:42] <TJ-> elhoir: samba implements windows network services, like Windows provides. A Printer share on the Windows network can be used remotely from a samba client, via a local CUPS network printer entry
[12:43] <elhoir> i have never tried such things
[12:43] <elhoir> well, not true
[12:43] <elhoir> i configured some remote printers years ago :)
[12:44] <elhoir> but all of them had Linux drivers
[12:44] <elhoir> not via VM
[12:45] <elhoir> ok laptop is ready, will be back in some minutes! :D
[12:45] <TJ-> elhoir: I'll always avoid non-Linux supported devices, but when assisting others there is not always that choice
[12:45] <TJ-> OK
[12:52] <elhoir-laptop> ok
[12:52] <elhoir-laptop> BluesKaj TJ- im in Ubuntu 14.04 from USB-live now
[12:53] <TJ-> elhoir: You're on the laptop? OK... can you open a terminal and do "pastebinit /var/log/dmesg" and tell us the URL?
[12:53] <elhoir-laptop> sure
[12:54] <elhoir-laptop> http://pastebin.com/f8CbkBy3
[12:56] <TJ-> [    9.355751]  sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4
[12:57] <TJ-> elhoir: Now try "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[12:57] <elhoir-laptop> line 798
[12:57] <elhoir-laptop> seems kernel does detect partitions
[12:57] <elhoir-laptop> >S
[12:58] <TJ-> elhoir: it looks like a legacy-mode boot, but double check by looking for the directory: "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[12:59] <elhoir-laptop> doesnt exist
[13:00] <TJ-> OK, so that is a CSM boot. Show me the fdisk output I asked for
[13:00] <elhoir-laptop> i cant type the pipe character
[13:00] <elhoir-laptop> hang a sec
[13:01] <TJ-> elhoir: if the keyboard translation is wrong, try the "~/#" if there is one
[13:02] <kjetil_> Hi, anybody having problem with google contacts in Kontact? Calenders is working but i can not seam to add my contacts?
[13:02] <elhoir-laptop> uh uh
[13:02] <elhoir-laptop> BluesKaj were rigght
[13:02] <elhoir-laptop> fdisk says GPT found
[13:03] <TJ-> elhoir: OK... so let's see what's there: "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit"
[13:03] <kjetil_> Running Kubuntu 14.04
[13:03] <wabbla> hello, is it supported to encrypt the harddrive during installation in a KVM guest? it doesn't work here with Xubuntu 14.04, the system doesn't boot. it works with VirtualBox, though.
[13:05] <TJ-> wabbla: The hypervisor shouldn't make a difference, I use KVM exclusively and never had an issue
[13:05] <elhoir-laptop> GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8  Usage: gdisk [-l] device_file
[13:05] <elhoir-laptop> seems didnt work
[13:06] <TJ-> elhoir: OK... so let's see what's there: "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda"  "-l" is an L
[13:06] <elhoir-laptop> yes, i know
[13:06] <elhoir-laptop> but it doesnt work
[13:06] <TJ-> elhoir: If you've not got the pipe symbol, then do "sudo gdisk -l /dev/sda > /tmp/gdisk.txt; pastebinit /tmp/gdisk.txt"
[13:07] <allstarsnorks2> Hi guys. I want to know why Xubuntu 14.04 B1 detects my VBOX display as 640x480. It is even with Guest Additions installed.
[13:07] <TJ-> elhoir: something you're typing is being interpreted as a bad command option; try reducing the line to a minimum to isolate the problem.
[13:08] <wabbla> TJ: are there any settings to adjust? i just used default config. so is it working in Ubuntu 14.04 for you?
[13:09] <TJ-> wabbla: I don't know what "it" is - you need to be much more specific about the precise error you experience when boot fails.
[13:09] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: trying your last command
[13:09] <allstarsnorks2> Anyone?
[13:09] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7168319/
[13:10] <TJ-> elhoir: there's the problem "Found valid MBR and GPT. Which do you want to use?"
[13:10] <TJ-> elhoir: So, originally the GPT for Windows 8 was there, then you replaced that with a legacy Win 7 install but the tools didn't zap the GPT structures from the disk
[13:11] <elhoir-laptop> ahhhhha
[13:11] <elhoir-laptop> so i can boot using EFI
[13:11] <elhoir-laptop> right _
[13:11] <TJ-> elhoir: No
[13:11] <elhoir-laptop> ok
[13:11] <wabbla> TJ: I mean harddisk encryption (enabled during iso-installation of xubuntu 14.04). when in virtualbox it asks for the passphrase while booting, in KVM the screen just stays blank.
[13:12] <TJ-> elhoir: It's got confused. The valid partition table is the MBR, but because the GPT structures elsewhere on the disk are also there, it is confusing the heck out of the partitioning tools
[13:12] <elhoir-laptop> aaaaahaa
[13:12] <TJ-> wabbla: Have you tried holding down the shift key as it boots to get to the GRUB boot menu, and then starting Linux with the "nomodeset" option?
[13:13] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: so i guess i have to wipe the full HDD before reinstalling
[13:13] <elhoir-laptop> using some CD/live
[13:13] <TJ-> elhoir-laptop: Let's check you have a tool: "which sgdisk"
[13:14] <elhoir-laptop> yes i have it
[13:14] <wabbla> TJ: not in that context, but had to do that once. i will check.
[13:14] <elhoir-laptop> "/sbin/sgdisk"
[13:14] <TJ-> elhoir: no, we just need to zap the GPT structures, and then you can install in Legacy/MBR mode, if you want to. As it is alreayd using all 4 primary partitions though, you'll need to delete one to create an extended partition, so depending on the hassle that may cause, a fresh installation might be possible/advisable
[13:15] <TJ-> wabbla: It sounds as if you're simply not seeing the prompt due to a display driver issue
[13:15] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: ok thank yoou so much
[13:16] <TJ-> elhoir: Great, so, let's remove the GPT structures. First we'll back things up though!
[13:16] <TJ-> elhoir-laptop: Can you do "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda > /tmp/fdisk.txt; pastebinit /tmp/fdisk.txt"
[13:16] <TJ-> elhoir-laptop: that'll tell me how many initial sectors we need to backup
[13:17] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7168344/
[13:18] <TJ-> elhoir: OK, so what we'll do is temporarily mount the existing Linux partition (sda2), and back-up the first 2048 disk sectors to a file on that file-system.
[13:19] <elhoir-laptop> okay
[13:19] <TJ-> elhoir-laptop: "sudo mkdir /target && sudo mount /dev/sda3 /target"
[13:19] <elhoir-laptop> sda3 or sda2 ?
[13:20] <TJ-> elhoir: if there are no errors for the mount this command should show the root file-system layout of the installed system: "ls -al /target/"
[13:20] <TJ-> elhoir-laptop: sorry, typo. sda3
[13:20] <elhoir-laptop> sda3 i guess
[13:20] <elhoir-laptop> isnt it?
[13:20] <elhoir-laptop> sda2 is an NTFS partition
[13:21] <TJ-> elhoir: After the successful mount of sda3 to /target/, you can do "sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=2048 of=/target/sda_0-2048.sectors.bin"
[13:22] <elhoir-laptop> ok
[13:22] <TJ-> elhoir: with those saved you can "sudo umount /target"
[13:22] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: ok, mounted
[13:22] <elhoir-laptop> now
[13:23] <TJ-> elhoir: and finally to clear the GPT structures you can do "sudo sgdisk --zap /dev/sda"
[13:24] <TJ-> elhoir: With that done, the next thing is to do a test that the system will still boot Ubuntu from the hard disk... if the GPT zap damaged the boot-loader it could fail.
[13:25] <elhoir-laptop> hang on man
[13:25] <elhoir-laptop> you are so quick xD
[13:25] <elhoir-laptop> ok, i have unmounted ext partition
[13:26] <TJ-> I do this stuff in my sleep :p
[13:26] <elhoir-laptop> now lets clear GPT
[13:26] <elhoir-laptop> done
[13:26] <elhoir-laptop> GPT cleared
[13:26] <elhoir-laptop> now what? xD
[13:27] <elhoir-laptop> try to reboot ?
[13:32] <tootights> Hello
[13:33] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: ? :)
[13:34] <elhoir-laptop> okay, now partitions are correctly seen by gparted \o/
[13:34] <elhoir-laptop> lets launch the installer and see what happens now :)
[13:36] <elhoir-laptop> great!!! it works now!!!! :D
[13:36] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: BluesKaj thank you so much guys :D
[13:37] <BluesKaj> elhoir-laptop, thank us when installs successfully:)
[13:38] <TJ-> elhoir: Yay!
[13:39] <TJ-> elhoir: Sorry I was away; got 2 huskies here that wanted to play :)
[13:49] <kjetil_> Latest update of of kubuntu 14.04 gives me error message, /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a2.8.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[13:49] <kjetil_> trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/kritaclonesarray.so', which is also in package calligra-libs 1:2.8.0-0ubuntu4
[13:52] <TJ-> kjetil_: bug ##1298805
[13:52] <TJ-> kjetil_: bug #1298805
[13:53] <kjetil_> TJ-: thanks
[14:09] <wabbla> TJ-: I tried the nomodeset kernel parameter with encrypted hd. it works. thanks!
[14:09] <TJ-> wabbla: That is the usual culprit, should be tattooed on the outside of the installer :)
[14:13] <elhoir-laptop> TJ-: BluesKaj now im going to reboot to see everything is working properly. If it succeed, i will going to install Ubuntu :D
[14:13] <elhoir-laptop> wish me luck! :)
[14:13] <elhoir-laptop> bye!
[14:16] <CarlFK> command line: how can I disable the screen saver (permanently) and how can I check the current setting? (I think the gui is broken)
[14:18] <TJ-> CarlFK: screen-saver, or the power-save?
[14:23] <CarlFK> TJ-: "brightness and lock"  I set it to never, click "all settings", click back to "brightness and lock" and the setting is back to "5 min"
[14:24] <zoki> hi everyone, I'm using Kubuntu 14.04 Beta2 and the last couple of days I have some issues with akonadi/kmail/baloo
[14:24] <cfhowlett> zoki, support is still in #ubuntu+1
[14:24] <cfhowlett> zoki, doh!  never mind me
[14:24] <zoki> these services (akonadi_baloo_indexer, mysqld, kmail, akonadiserver) are always using the CPU and kmail is very slow
[14:25] <elhoir> installing Ubuntu in the laptop right now.... lets see what happens :)
[14:25] <TJ-> CarlFK: Grrr, GUIs!
[14:25] <zoki> anyone with the same symptoms/problem with this?
[14:32] <CarlFK> TJ-: somehow I wrote this script https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/nodes/pxe/shaz/var/www/lc/late.sh#L35
[14:33] <CarlFK> I have no idea where I came up with that, and it doesn't seem to work on trusty.  I am not sure right now what it works with (I haven't used it in 6 months)
[14:34] <TJ-> CarlFK: probably due to that script expecting gnome and Ubuntu now using Unity?
[14:39] <CarlFK> TJ-: sounds plausible - any clue where I should look for help?
[14:40] <TJ-> CarlFK: Not sure, I don't use Unity because it can't correctly handle my multiple screens
[14:44] <CarlFK> TJ-: huh, this file exists: /usr/share/gnome/autostart/libcanberra-login-sound.desktop
[14:54] <elhoir> TJ-, BluesKaj its done!
[14:54] <elhoir> Ubuntu is up :D
[14:54] <TJ-> elhoir: :)
[14:54] <elhoir> so, thank you so much :D
[14:55] <elhoir> its awesome to see 13.10 didnt work and it has been fixed in 14.04 :)
[14:55] <elhoir> so i can install latest Ubuntu :)
[14:56] <vlad_starkov> QUESTION: After installing 14.04 Server I got the following issue with AHCI BIOS http://askubuntu.com/questions/136831/cant-boot-into-fresh-install-of-ubuntu-with-ahci-enabled Could someone recommend me hex editor to fix the issue?
[15:03] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: what values are in the partition table currently?
[15:04] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: "sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | hexdump -C | pastebinit"
[15:11] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: http://cl.ly/image/3F1l3X2b3o39
[15:16] <vlad_starkov> OK. "hexedit" utility is what I'm looking for
[15:33] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: If I need to hexedit MBR on sda what should I do: "hexedit /dev/sda" OR "hexedit /dev/sda1"?
[15:34] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: The first
[15:34] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: even if my disk is SSD?
[15:35] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: makes no difference. "sda" is the entire device, "sda1" is partition #1 on sda... which will start somewhere in sda
[15:36] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: You'll be changing the 'faked' ending sector/cylinder  numbers for partition entry #1
[15:36] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: so MBR is not /dev/sda1?
[15:37] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Master Boot Record (MBR) is always in sector 0 of the device. It contains, at its end, 4 x 16-byte entries followed by a final 2-byte validation signature. Each 16-byte entry describes 1 partition. MBR can describe a maximum of 4 primary partitions in that way.
[15:38] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: to be specific, MBR is the first 512 bytes of the device.
[15:38] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Got it! Thanks!
[16:12] <utack> oh yeah, of course.... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTY0NTc
[16:13] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: How to boot Ubuntu server in most verbose&debug mode?
[16:14] <vlad_starkov> The system does not boot. I'd like to get maximum output to console
[16:15] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: edit the boot menu, remove any "quiet splash" entries, add "debug"
[16:16] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: tried it and it seems nothing changed
[16:16] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: But that assumes you're getting to the boot-loader... if you can't get that far, then that can't be done/won't help
[16:17] <elhoir> you can do it within the boot menu, by pressing "e"
[16:17] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Let me see where the system stops booting...
[16:17] <vlad_starkov> elhoir: I knwo I tried it...
[16:35] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Trying to boot 14.04. System doesn't boot. It freezes at some point http://cl.ly/image/1y1A183P0L3q
[16:38] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK, so the kernel starts but seems to lock-up before it has finished parsing the sdf partition table
[16:38] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I have the same issue on 12.04.4 64bit. That's why I tried 14.04
[16:39] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I'm wondering if that is a side-effect of the AHCI/partition table editing you had to do
[16:39] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I don't think so
[16:39] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: You can see the soft lockup is with the udevd process, which is the Userspace DEVice manager Daemon
[16:40] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: WHne I boot in GRML linux, I can obtain some logs from server's ssd. Here is the last line from syslog: "acpi exception ae_bad_parameter thread could not acquire mutex"
[16:40] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: udevd will be creating symlinks for devices and partitions... if there's an error parsing the PT that could cause udevd to get stuck
[16:40] <vlad_starkov> ubuntu acpi exception ae_bad_parameter thread could not acquire mutex
[16:40] <vlad_starkov> oops, sorry. this link https://www.google.ru/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=acpi+exception&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=ctrl&ei=C2M1U8GBF82ewAOz7ICoCg&gws_rd=cr#newwindow=1&q=ubuntu+acpi+exception+ae_bad_parameter+thread+could+not+acquire+mutex&rls=en
[16:41] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: That's caused by a motherboard firmware bug in the ACPI implementation. You may be able to work around it by adding "acpi=ht" or "acpi=off" to the kernel command line
[16:41] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: yep, in GRML linux I have the same issue with CPU soft lockup
[16:42] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: But then you may lose other functionalities as ACPI can't be used to determine system configuration
[16:42] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: it doesn't boot with acpi=ht or acpi=off
[16:43] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: has it ever booted?
[16:43] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: what is the make/model of the motherboard and/or system?
[16:43] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: in VMWare ESX, and in GRML Linux with noudev boot param
[16:44] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: http://cl.ly/image/1O3h29371A1v
[16:46] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I can only think that vmware is doing something to upset the guest environment in some way
[16:47] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: so how do you I should do?
[16:48] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I don't know, I stay away from proprietary stuff
[16:51] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: YOu mean vmware?
[16:56] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: yes
[16:59] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: oh, I don't  use vmware, I'd like to try kvm. What do you think is possible to do with current environment? Is it HW problem or Kernel problem?
[17:00] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I'm getting confused. Are the errors on the bare-metal or inside a guest OS on a hypervisor?
[17:02] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I'm trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 Server 64Bit onto  bare-metal
[17:02] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK... your mention of vmware threw me, I took that as meaning you were trying to install inside a VMware guest
[17:03] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: nope, I just told you so as you asked has it ever booted :-)
[17:03] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: From my earlier research on that supermicro mobo, there are some BIOS/firmware ACPI configuration options. That's where I'd be looking for any options that may affect this. I'd also try doing a "load defaults" if at all possible, in case some stray BIOS settings is tripping you up
[17:04] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: ahhh, I get what you meant *now* :p
[17:08] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: There is only Enabled/Disabled options against ACPI
[17:09] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Am I right understand that you think that the problem is in ACPI area?
[17:09] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: hmmm, the manual I looked at suggested more that
[17:10] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: this is it http://www.supermicro.ru/products_spec_120.html
[17:11] <vlad_starkov> http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000P/X7DBR-E.cfm
[17:11] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Have you confirmed that system has the latest BIOS (most obvious thing!) ?
[17:11] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: the first thing I did!
[17:12] <TJ-> :)
[17:22] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Am I right thinking that if changing/resetting BIOS setting won't help, it means that that server is not compatible with Linux (at least Ubuntu version that I've tried)?
[17:23] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: No, I think there's something else going on that might be revealed if we could see the earlier kernel messages. The only way to capture those would be to connect a serial console and capture the log whilst booting with the additional kernel command line options "console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8"
[17:25] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I'm on MacBook now. WIll try to find somebody with PC :-)
[17:25] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: USB<>Serial converter maybe?
[17:25] <rohan> anyone getting this error while trying to update packages in kubuntu 14.04?
[17:25] <rohan> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a2.8.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[17:25] <rohan>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/kritaclonesarray.so', which is also in package calligra-libs 1:2.8.0-0ubuntu4
[17:26] <TJ-> rohan: bug #1298805
[17:26] <rohan> TJ-: thanks
[17:26] <TJ-> rohan: basically there is a bunch of breakages with those related packages currently
[17:28] <rohan> TJ-: good to know.. thanks for the link, running apt-get -f install as directed fixed the issue
[17:28] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Maybe. But I think to find someone with PC is more easier)
[17:28]  * vlad_starkov I'll be back
[17:29] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Yes :)
[17:49] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: good new :)
[17:50] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I've got COM cable and suppose to connect that Supermicro server with another one which I have SSH access to.
[17:51] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: The thing is, what should I use on donor server as serial console client?
[17:51] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: "screen /dev/ttyXXX 115200,cs8,-ixon,istrip"
[17:52] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: emm, ttyS0 ?
[17:55] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Yes, that'd be right for a real RS232 port
[17:57] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: OK. Let's try :-)
[17:57] <vlad_starkov> yay!))
[17:57] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I assume you're using a null-modem cable?
[17:58] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Don't know actually
[17:58] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: If you see data, then it is :)
[17:58] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: null-modem means a cross-over cable - TX on one end goes to the RX pin at the other, and visa-versa
[18:00] <vlad_starkov> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7169718/
[18:04] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I think made I mistakenly pasted just a tiny part of console output.
[18:04] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Looks like "EXT4-fs (sda5): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro" that is responsible, based on the timings
[18:05] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: is it possible to get all data that I received in "screen"?
[18:07] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: If you save it to a log-file, yes. Start screen with the "-L" option and it'll create a screenlog.0 file in the $PWD. It can be toggled inside a screen session with C-a H
[18:08] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: how to exit screen?
[18:08] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: *giggles*
[18:08] <vlad_starkov> :)
[18:08] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Ctrl+A then \   then answer "y"es
[18:15] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: "sudo screen /dev/ttyS0 115200,cs8,-ixon,istrip -L" didn't create any log in current directory
[18:16] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Am I doing something wrong?
[18:16] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: You shouldn't need "sudo" if your user is a member of the "dialout" group
[18:16] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: it seems it's not
[18:16] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: the command line looks OK; although I always put the option at the beginning of the list of parameters. Not sure if that is significant
[18:17] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Ok that was fun though))
[18:17] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK, probably better to do "addgroup $USER dialout" and then have the user logout-login for the future
[18:18] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: of course, prefix 'addgroup' with 'sudo '!
[18:18] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: now I learned how to connect to servers' serial ports )
[18:18] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Thanks!
[18:19] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: So, any thoughts on subject?
[18:19] <TJ-> Does the supermicro have an IPMI module installed? If so, you should be able to do everything over the ethernet connection :)
[18:19] <TJ-> which subject? screen not creating a log-file?
[18:19] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: How to check IPMI?
[18:20] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: let's not worry about that right now! Just thought I'd ask since that's a common way of having lights-out control of servesr
[18:20] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: oh, this is optional card
[18:20] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Subject = means soft lockups
[18:21] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Can you capture a complete boot log using screen, so I can see *everything* the kernel reports?
[18:21] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: yes I do
[18:22] <TJ-> If you can pastebin the screenlog.0 I can get a sense for anything that might be wrong
[18:22] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: what would be the correct command, "screen -L /dev/ttyS0 115200,cs8,-ixon,istrip"?
[18:23] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Yes
[18:23] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Ok, let's try again
[18:25] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I added myself to group "dialout" but when I tried screen w/o sudo it said "Access denied"
[18:27] <wabbla> vlad_starkov: did you logout/login? this is needed when changing group membership
[18:27] <vlad_starkov> wabbla: forgot, my mistake)
[18:27] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Ok. Done. Now "Ctrl+A then \   then answer "y"es" ?
[18:28] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: to get out of screen? Yes
[18:28] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: to get logs
[18:28] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I mean is it enough to just exit screen and pastebin log file?
[18:28] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Yes
[18:28] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: or should I perform some special "save" actions?
[18:29] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: No, the log tracks the current state of the screen buffer
[18:31] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7169894/
[18:37] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Hmmm!
[18:37] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: mm?
[18:39] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: not a lot of clues
[18:39] <TJ-> That system has 2x SSDs and 2x 2TD HDDs, is that correct?
[18:40] <TJ-> sorry, 3x 2TB HDDs
[18:40] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: 2xSSD + 4x 2TB HDD
[18:40] <TJ-> SSDs: sda sdb, HDDs: sdd sde sdf
[18:40] <TJ-> oh, didn't see the fourth
[18:41] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: yep
[18:41] <TJ-> oh yeah, sdc too
[18:41] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:41] <TJ-> OK ... are sd{c..f} already configured into some kind of RAID array?
[18:42] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: currently nope. I just installed basic system on sda to check whether it will load?
[18:43] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: is it possible to boot with more detailed debug output?
[18:43] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Are the drives empty then? What I'm looking for is any metadata that might be on one or more of the storage devices which is being scanned and/or rebuilt, which causes the delay for upstart-udev-bridge
[18:44] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: "debug" is the most verbose level.
[18:44] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: they were built in raid 10, but then I found out this bug with CPU soft lockup, and then I formatted them and made a bunch of experiments on sda only
[18:46] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Are you able to physically pull cables? If you are, I'd be pulling the data cables from all put sda, and trying it again. That would quickly rule in/out this theory that rebuilding/scanning on those other devices is causing this lock-up in the VFS layer
[18:46] <TJ-> s/all put/all but/
[18:47] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: This *feels* like a stray metadata issue, causing the system to attempt to assemble an array that has gone away
[18:47] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: sure, let me do it. In few minutes I'll be back
[18:48] <TJ-> OK :)
[18:53] <b4dave> Hello. I just installed 14.04 and fire fox is not working. States that there is a permission error. So I tried to open it as root and it opened. Is anyone having this issue? And if so how do i fix it?
[18:55] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170002/
[19:00] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: thanks
[19:01] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK, so it looks as if CPU #2 is working and all the others are stuck behind a mutex lock of some kind
[19:01] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: how do you know that?
[19:02] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: those last few lines; CPU #2 and #6 are missing from the set of soft lockup messages ... could be #6 too (thought I saw that initially)
[19:03] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: hm, ok
[19:03] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I've seen this kind of issue before with SSDs where they're simply too fast for the rest of the system, especially on SMPs like this
[19:04] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I can see that sda5 looks to be the rootfs, and sda6 looks to be swap. What are sda1 and sda2 ?
[19:05] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Actually there were only sda1 (/boot), sda2 (/), sda3 (swap). After I changed MBR in hexedit, it becomes like that
[19:05] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Really? that is worrying!
[19:06] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I think what has happened is, the partition table is confusing the kernel because of some inconsistency
[19:07] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: The same lockup problem has appeared on 12.04, 12.04.4 and 13.10 (in these 3 versions there was no problems with MBR)
[19:08] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK... silly question but, could this be boot-order related? Because I recall that the other SSD (sdb) had only 3 partitions. This one has 5 (2 primary, 1 ext, 2 logical) ... is this sda definitely the boot device you're expecting?
[19:08] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: the thing is some firmware in motherboard doesn't work in AHCI mode if ssd/hdd partitioned in some particular way (this is a manufacturer bug).
[19:09] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I disconnected all other 5 devices
[19:09] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Yes, but that can't change how the kernel sees the partitions. If you're sure that the boot device should only have 3 primary partitions, then this sda isn't the device you think it is
[19:11] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Have you done a USB boot from a live ISO image? That'd be my next step. That'd both test if the issue happens with a live boot, and if it boots, allow us to examine sda/sdb etc using the command line tools
[19:11] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I have installed 14.04 on both SSDs separately. Probably I left connected the wrong device.
[19:11] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: live boots very slow and then black screen
[19:12] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Well, this isn't the BIOS/AHCI issue since BIOS has loaded GRUB which has loaded the kernel... but something is getting stuck
[19:12] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: let's perform last action for today, and then I will try to install CentOS (just for test, as I'm Ubuntu user).
[19:12] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: did you try the "nomodeset" to avoid the black screen?
[19:12] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: nope, will try it now
[19:13] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: so, now we try Live USB with Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop 64bit, and serial console debug output and nomodeset, correct?
[19:15] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I suspect it might be bug #1282511
[19:16] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Yes, that would be useful. The more we can bisect the situation the closer we get to an explanation and therefore a fix
[19:17] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Do you actually currently have some more time to help deal with this issue?
[19:18] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I do; I'll be going for dinner in about 30/40 minutes
[19:18] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: And I'll go home in 30/40 minutes (it's 11:18PM in Moscow :)
[19:19] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Ouch!
[19:19] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Just to be sure - the OS is the 64-bit version?
[19:19] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: playing with this server from 14:00PM
[19:19] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: yep
[19:20] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I hate that! I've had to sleep in the cold aisle of a datacenter before now, solving similar problems!
[19:21] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I understand. I used to do like that before too...
[19:22] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: With Live USB http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170157/
[19:23] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: is seems log not rewrites, so scroll to the end
[19:23] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I'm wondering if installing kernel 3.14-rc as a test might be useful, since I'm seeing lots of reports of this across all distros with v3.13
[19:23] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: how to install 3.14-rc?
[19:24] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: If we can get the darn thing to boot at all, we could use the live environment to create a chroot and install the packages from Ubuntu's mainline kernel archive
[19:24] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: So the USB is 8GB and is seen as sdb
[19:25] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I can boot in Grml Linux
[19:25] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: what kernel version does it have?
[19:25] <TJ-> is it the 2013.09 version?
[19:26] <TJ-> That has kernel v3.10.10
[19:26] <vlad_starkov> grml64-full_2013.09
[19:26] <TJ-> OK, so effectively a kernel downgrade
[19:26] <vlad_starkov> emm, actually not completely
[19:27] <vlad_starkov> I can boot in Grml if I set noudev boot param
[19:27] <vlad_starkov> then it boots
[19:27] <vlad_starkov> otherwise it stuck
[19:27] <TJ-> Ahhhh... interesting! because we see that its upstart-udev-bridge that is locking up first on Ubuntu... which goes back to a device not being ready
[19:28] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: it boots with noudev. afterr system boot I run /etc/init.d/udev start and after 15 seconds it completes udev. no lockups appears
[19:29] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Really really annoying I know, but could you try pulling the data cable from sda and then rebooting the USB? We need to finally rule out the SSDs as the cause of this, so we can focus on a motherboard+kernel conflict
[19:29] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: yep, a few minutes...
[19:31] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: That description reinforces my feeling that there's a mutex lock getting stuck on one of the CPUs... Another test we can do (later on) is try starting with maxcpus=2
[19:32] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: If the bug still occurs with that, we should try maxcpus=0 which also disables the IO APIC.
[19:33] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Which then suggests we should experiment with "nolapic" on its own, even with all CPUs enabled.
[19:35] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: [   18.838058] BUG: recent printk recursion!
[19:36] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Is that with sda out?
[19:36] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170205/
[19:39] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK, so, it is the mobo. Reconnect everything, lets get back to the regular configuration, boot from the SSD, and change options on the kernel command-line. Let's go extreme to begin with and disable all but one CPU with "maxcpus=0"
[19:40] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: emm, may we try without SSDs/HDDs but with "maxcpus=0"?
[19:40] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Sure
[19:41] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: then if it need we'll try with everything connected
[19:41] <vlad_starkov> ok
[19:41] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: Just thinking booting from SSDs will be much faster than USB
[19:41] <vlad_starkov> yep, USB is so slow
[19:42] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Stuck
[19:42] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I'm waiting for a first CPU lockup message and then will push log on paste.ubuntu.org
[19:44] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK... next test would be "nolapic" on its own, and then "iommu=pt"
[19:44] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: this is just a small fragment http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170237/
[19:44] <TJ-> (although I don't think that system has an IO-MMU)
[19:45] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: has it reported a soft lockup yet?
[19:45] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: interesting now the system does not boot, the cursor is blinking, but no lockups messages appear so far
[19:46] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: it is frozen now as you can see here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170237/
[19:46] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: We might be making progress. Try a reboot with just "nolapic"
[19:46] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Yep. A few minutes...
[19:46] <TJ-> :)
[19:46] <TJ-> Shame you don't have a network KVM attached to it; you could leave me to fix it :)
[19:47] <elhoir> hello again guys,
[19:47] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: full log from last attempt http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170259/
[19:47] <elhoir> i have another weird problem with my Ubuntu box
[19:48] <elhoir> this time is not the laptop, but the desktop
[19:48] <elhoir> 2 things:
[19:49] <elhoir> 1.- when booting, GRUB shows the menu. And in there, the 1st time i press a kew, keyboard lasts to answer
[19:49] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: "smpboot: Total of 8 processors activated (37337.90 BogoMIPS)" .... I think when you added the entry to the kernel command line, you missed out a space before the "--" so the setting wasn't recognised
[19:50] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: you are right
[19:50] <elhoir> 2.- in the lightdm, 1st time i get there (that is, 1st time boot) i cant use keyboard, so i cant enter my password. I have to log in as guest, then log out and then i can type password
[19:50] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: That's a good example of why being able to see the entire log is useful :)
[19:50] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: right
[19:50] <TJ-> elhoir: USB keyboard?
[19:50] <elhoir> TJ-, yes
[19:50] <elhoir> errrr, no!
[19:50] <elhoir> USB mouse
[19:50] <elhoir> PS/2 keyboard
[19:50] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: At this rate I'll airmail you one of my net KVMs!
[19:51] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Done. Lockups. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170277/
[19:51] <TJ-> elhoir: OK, so not the typical keyboard issue then
[19:51] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Will fix and repeat the previous attempt.
[19:51] <elhoir> TJ-, my issues often are not typical :P
[19:52] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: OK, which should be, in total, "file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.lz quiet nomodeset debug nolapic console=tty0 console=ttyS0,115200n8 maxcpus=0 --"
[19:52] <TJ-> elhoir: Nor mine!
[19:53] <elhoir> :)
[19:54] <elhoir> what should you recommend me to do? sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ?
[19:54] <elhoir> purge and reinstall both?
[19:54] <TJ-> elhoir: If it's a keyboard issue, I'd suspect possibly an i8042 controller issue
[19:54] <TJ-> elhoir: when you can type, does it seem slow to respond, or jerky?
[19:54] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Frozen. But no lockups yet.
[19:55] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Cursor blinking
[19:55] <elhoir> TJ-, nope, only the 1st time in the boot menu
[19:55] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: This is an intriguing issue!
[19:55] <TJ-> elhoir: I'm not sure then, sounds more like something else has the keyboard focus
[19:55] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Lockup appeared. http://paste.ubuntu.com/7170307/
[19:56] <TJ-> elhoir: Have you tried clicking out and then in the text input box?
[19:56] <elhoir> clicking? in the boot menu? mouse doesnt work
[19:57] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: I think that's enough for today. 10 hours in a row
[19:57] <TJ-> elhoir: No, in the lightdm greeter when it gets there
[19:57] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: I agree! How did you end up with this!?
[19:57] <elhoir> ah ... yes i have tried it.
[19:57] <elhoir> no way, i have to log in as guest, then log out
[19:58] <TJ-> elhoir: Was it an upgrade from 13.10?
[19:58] <elhoir> yes
[19:59] <elhoir> i have been upgrading since 11.10 iirc :)
[19:59] <TJ-> elhoir: I wonder if this is the issue?  http://askubuntu.com/questions/360696/keyboard-not-working-100-after-ubuntu-13-10-upgrade
[19:59] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Will try to install CentOS tomorrow. If it won't help, don't know what to do with this fu***ng hardware
[19:59]  * elhoir checks
[19:59] <robotti^> will mate and cinnamon packages included in ubuntu 14.04 repos?
[19:59] <robotti^> and pipelight?
[19:59] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: If I'm around, ping me
[20:00] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Yep, Thanks!
[20:00] <vlad_starkov> TJ-: Thank you for your time!
[20:01] <TJ-> vlad_starkov: you're welcome; I don't like to let this stuff win!
[20:01] <elhoir> TJ-, hmmm.. but this bug is about a problem with keyboard AFTER logged in
[20:01] <vlad_starkov> We will win))
[20:01] <vlad_starkov> Take care. Goodbye!
[20:03] <elhoir> my problem is that keyboard doesnt answer inmediately after boot BEFORE logged in, at the login screen
[20:03] <johnjohn101> that was one heck of a debug session
[20:03] <TJ-> elhoir: That sounds like a BIOS issue then, since at boot-time GRUB reads key input from BIOS
[20:04] <TJ-> johnjohn101: not really; we got nowhere!
[20:05] <johnjohn101> TJ-: sometimes i wish it would be feasible to send the hardware to the folks to do the actual debug. I did the same with a wifi card years ago and they were able to resolve.
[20:05] <TJ-> elhoir: The lightdm-greeter is responsible for the log-in, but not aware of any settings there that could affect input. The only thing I can think of is that the X server isn't correctly detecting the input devices
[20:05] <TJ-> johnjohn101: For complex issues, if possible, I suggest a remote network session over SSH. That's why I suggested to vlad a network KVM would be helpful
[20:06] <TJ-> johnjohn101: The problem with this kind of debugging is it takes far too long and you're reliant on the other party to faithfully issue commands and report results, and you can't just 'rummage' around using intuition to spot clues
[20:07] <Beldar> robotti^,  mate and cinnamon packages, yes, pipelight not sure #ubuntu+1 is the 14.04 channel
[20:07] <Beldar> doh thought I was on #ubuntu, my bad
[20:07] <johnjohn101> TJ-: that's why you need the hardware in your hands!! :).
[20:07] <johnjohn101> how hard is it to install network KVM?
[20:08] <TJ-> johnjohn101: Plug the device in and go! I have three 16-port net-KVMs here ... I can fix anything here, from anywhere with a network connection
[20:09] <robotti^> Beldar: Yes. That's why I am here, because I am using ubuntu 14.04
[20:09] <robotti^> Beldar: this is ubuntu+1
[20:09] <johnjohn101> TJ-: so it's an actual hardware device that someone would need?
[20:09] <trism> Beldar: actually cinnamon was deleted in trusty a couple months ago (though there is stilla ghost in -proposed)
[20:10] <johnjohn101> trism: will there eventually be a way to put cinnamon on 14.04?
[20:10] <Daekdroom> There should be a PPA for it.
[20:10] <TJ-> johnjohn101: Yes, it has an ethernet port, and then has multiple connections to PCs with either PS/2 style keyboard/mouse or USB style (you have different modules for each)
[20:10] <trism> johnjohn101: not sure, it was deleted from debian testing and moved to unstable so might not see it again until 14.10
[20:10] <TJ-> johnjohn101: Most server-class hardware has IPMI which does the same thing, and gives you remote BIOS-level access in the same way
[20:11] <johnjohn101> TJ-: so can you find a link of what that guy would have needed?  just curious
[20:12] <Beldar> trism, Ah, thanks, there has been glitches with it on releases since 13.10, heh I never use it is all.
[20:12] <TJ-> johnjohn101: you mean to get remote access? That motherboard (can) take an IPMI module. If that was available, just plug the ethernet cable into it and give it an IP, and configure routing and firewall
[20:13] <johnjohn101> TJ-: oh ok but it has to be on the mb, right?  not my el cheapo board, right?
[20:13] <TJ-> johnjohn101: For IPMI, yes. For an external net-KVM (Keyboard-Video-Mouse) controller, any system can be controlled
[20:14] <johnjohn101> TJ-: interesting.  you could solve a lot of issues that way
[20:14] <TJ-> johnjohn101: Yes, that's how we do it in professional/datacenter configurations
[20:15] <johnjohn101> TJ-: learn something new everyday
[20:25] <TJ-> johnjohn101: You wait, for large chassis-based systems there's IMM (IBM), DARC and CMC (Dell), Insight (HP)
[20:46] <johnjohn101> TJ-: yeah, interesting.  that said, i'm glad i don't have to support hardware
[20:46] <dsmith> After running update-manager -d, I see that 14.04 is available... but the release notes say "This is still an ALPHA release. Do not install it on production machines." Are these release notes correct, or should is it actually the beta2 release?
[20:51] <rww> dsmith: it's the beta release, but the sentiment's the same
[20:51] <johnjohn101> always back up your data before you upgrade
[20:51] <dsmith> understood, thanks
[21:14] <mardan> hi can someone help me with audio auto hdmi swich?
[21:14] <mardan> I am using tv quite a lot and its annoing to do it by hand
[21:25] <SuperLag> mamarley: you around?
[21:26] <SuperLag> mamarley was suggesting the other day, that I'd get better battery life on my W530, by using the BLOB driver. My question is this. There are quite a few nvidia-* packages in the repo. Which one should I install?
[21:46] <mamarley> SuperLag: I believe nvidia-331 is the latest one in the repo right now.
[21:46] <mamarley> There is also a 334 beta release out, but that isn't packaged by Ubuntu (or even by xorg-edgers) yet.
[21:47] <SuperLag> Okay. I want the most stable release I can get, as far as that goes.
[21:47] <mamarley> However, there are packages for Saucy and Trusty in my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/nvidia
[21:47] <mamarley> I use 334 and have had zero problems with a Quadro NVS 5400M.
[22:03] <johnjohn101> mamarley: how are you able to put a ppa on launchpad?
[22:04] <mamarley> https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/nvidia
[22:04] <mamarley> Oops, wrong link.
[22:04] <mamarley> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[22:07] <johnjohn101> so you basically compile the nvidia 334 from source and then create a .deb which you add to this ppa?
[22:08] <TJ-> johnjohn101: No, all uploads to PPAs are source-code. The PPA builders compile that into binaries and build the packages, then copy them to the PPA repository
[22:09] <CarlFK> TJ-: guessing the magic is your package install script take care of downloading the binary blob?
[22:11] <FernandoMiguel> unity is kinda broken isn't it ?
[22:11] <FernandoMiguel> 1st boot, I had no desktop
[22:12] <FernandoMiguel> on the 2nd boot, no unity panel
[22:12] <johnjohn101> TJ-: I'm not going to copy what mamarley did but i want to try to figure out the steps. i know you download the source and there is a .run file and then you run a few commands to execute it.  what does mamareley actually provide?
[22:13] <CarlFK> FernandoMiguel: my 3 hour old install seems to be working ok
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> beats me what's going one
[22:13] <FernandoMiguel> I've noticed a few unity update in the last few days
[22:14] <TJ-> johnjohn101: Our nvidia packages use DKMS - Dynamic Kernel Module Support - packaging to arrange the native source to be installed in /usr/src/ and then when the package is installed on the client PC it is built there against the running/installed kernel version(s) and the modules installed. The package in the PPA is just source-code in a format that DKMS can use
[22:15] <johnjohn101> TJ-: ok that makes sense to me.
[22:16] <johnjohn101> i forgot that nvidia is compiled as a kernel module. i used to do it a long time ago but that hardware is ancient history
[22:17] <FernandoMiguel> any ideas on how to recover my poor old WM ?
[22:22] <FernandoMiguel> no one ?
[22:22] <FernandoMiguel> :(
[22:24] <johnjohn101> thank you TJ-
[22:33] <SuperLag> mamarley: hot damn.
[22:33] <SuperLag> mamarley: I just stuck with 331.
[22:34] <SuperLag> works like a charm
[22:34] <SuperLag> I was nervous, given what had happened the last time.
[22:55] <mamarley> SuperLag: Great!
[23:07] <Blue1> I am having issues trying to add a printer to ubuntu-gnome
[23:11] <fibz_> any specific error or issue?
[23:13] <Blue1> let me reproduce that
[23:15] <Blue1> cups-pk-helper
[23:16] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm testing kubuntu14.04 and I'm having a little trouble with kdeconnect...I can't browse my mobile and dolphin presents and "Invalid protocol" message when I put kdeconnect:/ on the url
[23:16] <Blue1> looks like a dupe of 1299189
[23:16] <Blue1> ahh even localhost:631  -- if I click on anything on the cups admin page it comes up with notfound
[23:28] <CarlFK>  /j #dconf
[23:28] <CarlFK> derp.
[23:51] <Savour>  hello, i looking for way to autologin with lubuntu, i am using lubuntu 14.04 and i cannot locate the appopriate config file
[23:52] <Savour> the config files of lightdm have been moved to new locations
[23:52] <CarlFK> Savour:  did I give you something yesterday?
[23:52] <CarlFK> I have been fighting with exactly that for a day or two now
[23:53] <CarlFK> and I think I told someone the wrong thing
[23:53] <Savour> i tried every suspeciues file
[23:53] <Savour> &suspicious
[23:53] <Savour> but no luck
[23:53] <CarlFK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7171393/
[23:54] <CarlFK> $NUSER is the username
[23:55] <Savour> aha 12-autologin.conf is key i supose
[23:55] <CarlFK> Savour: na, you just need a file in that dir
[23:55] <CarlFK> something else put some 10's and 20's in there, so 12 seemed like it would not collide
[23:56] <CarlFK> I did that, then # service lightdm restart
[23:56] <CarlFK> and it logged me in
[23:59] <Savour> thanks, i was suspecting that i need to create a new file


[09:20] <dmj_nova> zoopster: you around?
[09:21] <dmj_nova> any reason a desktop app published in the software center wouldn't be available for saucy?
[09:46] <randomcpp> is jdstrand here?
[10:05] <randomcpp> mhall119, ping
[13:51] <Elleo> presumably all the containment stuff around click packages prevents unrestricted writing to the disk? What's the correct way to request a writable file path?
[14:11] <nik90> Elleo: I think it is better to use a Sqlite storage or Ubuntu One database for this. They write automatically to the correct location.
[14:11] <nik90> Elleo: although if you want to write to a specific location nonethless, jdstrand is the person you should talk to about this.
[14:14] <Elleo> nik90: yeah, I have to have a real file path; it gets passed to libspotify for its caching so I don't have any real choice
[14:15] <Elleo> I guess I'll wait for jdstrand to be around :)
[14:16] <Elleo> ah, he's in #ubuntu-touch
[14:19] <nik90> Elleo: are you making a spotify client or something?
[14:19] <Elleo> nik90: yep, porting meespot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErscrflfQKI
[14:21] <nik90> Elleo: wow awesome!
[14:21] <Elleo> :)
[14:22] <Elleo> main challenge now is getting it playing nicely with all the security stuff on the device
[14:22] <nik90> Elleo: I am guessing I need spotify premium though to stream it on the mobile
[14:22] <Elleo> yeah
[14:23] <Elleo> all apps using libspotify can only work for premium users unfortunately
[14:23] <nik90> hmm I need to upgrade fom Spotify unlimited to premium..but having Spotify on ubuntu touch would be awesome
[14:23] <nik90> looking forward to seeing it :)
[14:23] <Elleo> :)
[14:23] <Elleo> the code's all up on github if you fancy hacking around with it at all: https://github.com/Elleo/cutespotify
[14:24] <Elleo> but at the moment it doesn't work reliably on the device, so it's not much use for general users yet
[14:24] <Elleo> plus you have to go through all the hassle of signing up for api keys and such
[14:26] <nik90> Elleo: I work on the ubuntu clock app. I can help with the UI when possible
[14:26] <Elleo> cool :)
[14:26] <nik90> Elleo: I will create a g+ post on the ubuntu app developer community to get more eyes on this project
[14:27] <Elleo> thanks :)
[15:53] <X2NE> Hallo
[18:53] <Elleo> nik90: for future reference it seems that apps are allowed to write to .local/share/<package name>/ without any restrictions :)
[19:56] <nik90> Elleo: yup I knew that..infact the sqlite storage actually writes the database into .local/share/package-name
[19:57] <nik90> Elleo: however since you wanted to write to a specific location, I figured you would run into app confinement issues.
[20:14] <Elleo> nik90: nah, I just needed a path that I could write to, libspotify allows you to specify the path it uses
[20:15] <Elleo> now I just have to figure out why it crashes after login on the device (but not on my desktop) and it'll be vaguely usable :)
[22:03] <popey> Elleo: is there a click package I can test? ☻
[22:04] <AskUbuntu> Where is the gtk# widget for windows forms in mono? | http://askubuntu.com/q/366418
[22:08] <Elleo> popey: well there's this: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/com.mikeasoft.cutespotify_1.3_all.click but it's not really much fun to test yet, for some reason it crashes immediately after login when used on a real device (but works fine on a desktop machine)
[22:09] <Elleo> I did have it logging in without problems on the device before I "fixed" a bunch of other things, so it should be sortable
[22:09] <Elleo> just having a bit of trouble tracking down where exactly things are breaking
[22:10] <popey> minor niggles....
[22:10] <popey>     "lint_control_architecture_valid_contents": "found binaries for architecture 'all': CuteSpotify, lib/libspotify.so, lib/libspotify.so.12.1.103, lib/libspotify.so.12",
[22:10] <popey>     "lint_maintainer_format": "invalid format for maintainer: Michael Sheldon"
[22:10] <popey>     "desktop_Exec (cutespotify)": "found unexpected Exec with architecture 'all': ./CuteSpotify"
[22:10] <popey> unrelated to your crash issues of course
[22:10] <a_muva> how to get user HOME dir in QLM?
[22:10] <Elleo> yeah, I know nothing about click packaging and just mangled something together quickly
[22:11] <popey> heh
[22:12] <Elleo> how do you get lint checking of click data?
[22:13] <popey> 22:12:41.430 I [offline_authorizer.cpp:297] Unable to login offline: no such user
[22:13] <popey> thats odd
[22:13] <Elleo> popey: I believe that's expected
[22:13] <popey> Log in:  "No error"
[22:13] <popey> last thing in the log...
[22:14] <Elleo> once you've logged in correctly and have offline storage the offline authorizer will let you login that way
[22:14] <Elleo> but on first login it doesn't have offline credentials for you, so then goes on to online auth
[22:15] <Elleo> yeah, running with gdb results in a corrupted stack that ends somewhere in libspotify
[22:15] <popey> oof
[22:15] <Elleo> unfortunately the stack corruption means I can't see what part of cutespotify is calling libspotify at that moment
[22:16] <Elleo> although libspotify does a bunch of async stuff internally, so that might not help anyway
[22:16] <popey> time to engage insane levels of logging in the app
[22:16] <Elleo> yeah
[22:16] <Elleo> I'm currently peppering everything with qDebug() statements


[02:43] <hajour> good night all
[16:04] <Pendulum> AlanBell: when you get a chance can you e-mail the RSS feed link you used to the mailing list? For some reason I'm failing to find it and my brain is not working today
[17:35] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/feed/atom/
[17:35] <Pendulum> ah, thanks :)
[17:36] <AlanBell> sent
[18:31] <hajour> Pendulum,  i have a question.if you ask something if you got trouble reading something they use this link to you to ? http://tinyurl.com/5r5vbo9
[18:33] <hajour> just watch till the end what kind of line is standing before the page with lots more to read is standing
[19:12] <JanC> hajour: that link is meant for people who don't try to find an answer/solution before asking a question, so shouldn't be used if you *did* try to read/find it
[19:14] <JanC> sometimes it's a good idea to explain you did try but had trouble reading it
[19:14] <hajour> last time i say it.i have the 1 time more trouble reading then other times.if i could do it i would do it myself
[19:15] <hajour> i don't want to talk about it i already regret it i have put it in chat here
[19:15] <hajour> i just shut up and  nobody will have bother from me anymore
[23:41] <AlanBell> hajour: where did someone send you a lmgtfy link?
[23:44] <hajour> http://tinyurl.com/5r5vbo9 this
[23:46] <hajour> it was in an off-topic channel AlanBell
[23:47] <hajour> but we have sort it out AlanBell
[23:52] <AlanBell> ok, good
[23:52] <AlanBell> just for referenc
[23:52] <AlanBell> !jfgi
[23:52] <ubot2> Acronyms or statements like noob, jfgi, stfu, or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[23:53] <AlanBell> ^^ across all ubuntu channels and that would include lmgtfy (unless in a very good humoured context)
[23:53] <hajour> ok AlanBell
[23:54] <hajour> thanks for response AlanBell i appreciate that :)
[23:54] <gpc> to avoid any misunderstandings I think it would be better that lmgtfy links be avoided 100% of the time
[23:54] <gpc> I personally find them insulting
[23:54] <hajour> yes me to honest say
[23:55] <AlanBell> yeah, but I don't want to end up hypocritical :)
[23:55] <hajour> i would not ask if i could do it myself on that moment
[23:56] <hajour> the problem is some days reading go's worse then others
[23:56] <hajour> i always try first myself
[23:57] <hajour> i don't like to ask help with that honest say.so i try to avoid that
[23:58] <hajour> assume someone comes in ubuntu beginners or beginners team.he get that link.you don't know or that person have a issue
[23:59] <hajour> and often people don't like to ask help because of bad experiences in past
[23:59] <hajour> and then get that link
[23:59] <AlanBell> in a support context it is 100% wrong


[09:49] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[22:00] <InHisName> Hello ubuntu people