[02:52] <thomi> bschaefer: ping?
[02:52] <bschaefer> thomi, pong
[02:53] <thomi> bschaefer: remember how my ibus tests were failing? Do you think I can reset the ibus stuff by removing ~/.config/ibus?
[02:54] <bschaefer> thomi, im not actually sure. It could also be something the ibus-anthy is store else where
[02:55] <bschaefer> let me look up if there is an easy way to reset ibus-anthy
[02:55] <thomi> bschaefer: thanks. Also, I'm collecting a large number of unity branches... trying to keep them all small and ewasy to review. If you get a chance to look at them that'd be great.
[02:56] <bschaefer> cool, do you have some links?
[02:57] <bschaefer> also had a random question about memory leaks. If you have a dynamically allocated gchar* and shove it into a glib::String(), would that be a mem leak?
[02:57] <bschaefer> as the deconstructor shouldn't delete the gchar* since it's a primitive type
[03:00] <bschaefer> if you never delete the gchar* you shove into the glib::String thinking the glib::String handles it...
[03:01] <bschaefer> thumper, you might know ^ (if your not busy!)
[03:02] <thumper> hi bschaefer
[03:02] <thumper> I'm not really here
[03:02] <thumper> if you have a gchar* that you don't have ownership of, it should not be in a glib::String
[03:02] <thumper> glib::String are particularly for gchar* objects created by glib
[03:03] <thumper> not new, not malloc
[03:03] <thumper> as it does a g_str_free (or whatever it is)
[03:03] <bschaefer> ok, because the bamf_view_get_name returns a g_strdup
[03:03] <thumper> ok, that should go in glib::String
[03:03] <thumper> g_strdup returns a new string
[03:03] <thumper> which the caller needs to free
[03:03] <bschaefer> and it is put into a glib::String, and valgrind complains of a mem leak
[03:04] <thumper> that won't be it then...
[03:04] <bschaefer> shoot
[03:04] <thumper> you have to be careful
[03:05] <thumper> you need to make sure that the destructor for glib::string is called before the valgrind atexit handler kicks in
[03:05] <thumper> otherwise it is a "possibly lost"
[03:05] <bschaefer> yeah, I think it's not a real leak
[03:05] <thumper> I feel like I'm going to regret this
[03:05] <thumper> but where is it?
[03:05] <bschaefer> 0x8E433B0: unity::launcher::BamfLauncherIcon::BamfLauncherIcon(_BamfApplication*) (BamfLauncherIcon.cpp:60)
[03:06] <bschaefer> thomi, im getting ibus-anthy source code atm. It usually has a configure thing in there...let me check
[03:06] <thumper> pastebin the entire loss record?
[03:07] <bschaefer> alright
[03:10] <thumper> thomi: set a commit message and land this plz https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/unity/autopilot-attribute-feature/+merge/101823
[03:10] <bschaefer> ugg its all in xml one sec I have to find it
[03:10] <thomi> thumper: trunk is unfrozen? or do I need UNBLOCK?
[03:11] <thumper> thomi: I think you are fine
[03:11] <thumper> thomi: I didn't realise you could use a generator expression for making a dict
[03:11] <thomi> ok, done. Let's see how it goes.
[03:11] <thumper> thomi: I would have used dict([key, value for ...])
[03:11] <thomi> thumper: huh?
[03:11] <thomi> oh
[03:11] <thumper> return {k.replace('-','_'):v for k,v in state_dict.iteritems() }
[03:11] <thomi> heh, I never thought to do it that way :)
[03:12] <thumper> does that really work?
[03:12] <thumper> yep, I guess it does
[03:14] <thomi> *sigh* - I just realised that lp-propose has helpfully put me as the reviewer on all my merge proposals :-/
[03:14] <bschaefer> thumper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/933472/
[03:16] <bschaefer> I had been looking at this other mem leak for a couple hours...that one was a definite loss dealing with a map...but ran out of ideas :(
[03:16] <thumper> thomi: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/unity/wait_for-to-use-testtools-exception/+merge/102198 needs fixing
[03:17] <thumper> bschaefer: ok, this loss record is around valgrind thinking that the icon itself wasn't cleaned up
[03:17] <thumper> bschaefer: as it is a std::string member variable it is complaining about
[03:18] <thomi> thumper: that's a good idea (checking for the match attribute).
[03:18]  * thumper wanders off again...
[03:18] <bschaefer> ooo ok, so it thinks it isn't cleaned up because the deconstructor for that string hasn't been called yet, but it will soon
[03:18] <bschaefer> thanks!
[03:19] <bschaefer> (I've wasted to long on those kind of false positives haha)
[03:20] <bschaefer> thomi, hmm im looking at the setup.py for ibus-anthy and Im not sure if I see a reset.
[03:20] <bschaefer> ill look some more!
[03:23] <thomi> bschaefer: ok, don't worry about it too much... I can survive without. It'd be nice to make these anthy test a bit more solid though
[03:23] <bschaefer> thomi, I just have to figure out what language you switch to when you hit space
[03:24] <bschaefer> then I can google better haha
[03:24] <bschaefer> thomi, you could trying re-installing ibus-anthy haha
[03:34] <bschaefer> thomi, sweet figured it out!
[03:34] <thomi> cool
[03:34] <bschaefer> thomi, go to ~/.anthy
[03:34] <thomi> what's the secret sauce?
[03:35] <bschaefer> and remove last-record
[03:35] <bschaefer> last-record*
[03:35] <thomi> sweet
[03:35] <bschaefer> yup :), I knew it had to be somewhere haha
[03:35] <thomi> thanks for your help!
[03:35] <bschaefer> idk why they just don't have a reset button haha. No problem!
[03:36] <bschaefer> I guess most people who use that program understand Japaneses
[04:54] <thomi> bschaefer: still around?
[04:54] <bschaefer> thomi, yup
[04:55] <thomi> I made the ibus tests more awesomeer: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomir/unity/ibus-test-to-wait_for-feature/+merge/102236
[04:55] <bschaefer> need a review of that ibus branch?
[04:55] <bschaefer> just saw haha :)
[04:56] <thomi> :)
[04:56] <thomi> less code is always a good thing.
[04:57] <bschaefer> thomi, AWESOME! haha, let me grab the branch and make sure all the ap test pass :)
[04:59] <bschaefer> i mean ibus only test
[04:59] <bschaefer> not all haha
[05:01] <bschaefer> thomi, forgot my schoosl wireless is crap, so I had to hop on there wired connection, running the ap test now
[05:01] <bschaefer> code wise, it looks really good :)
[05:07] <bschaefer> thomi, hmm would you know why during the anthy ap test for the hud it press down a couple times?
[05:07] <thomi> bschaefer: nope, does it cause the test to fail?
[05:07] <thomi> I hadn't noticed
[05:07] <bschaefer> one of them, and it caused your problem
[05:08] <bschaefer> with anthy, it pressed 2 down during the 'system' test changing my preferences
[05:08] <bschaefer> also it seems to run the same string test multiple times in anthy only
[05:08] <bschaefer> it tries 'system' then 'system' back to back when I run it :(
[05:12] <bschaefer> thomi, nevermind about the back to back
[05:12] <bschaefer> it is because the anthy has 2 commit keys haha
[05:12] <bschaefer> ugg im starting to get tired
[05:12] <bschaefer> your branch looks good approved :)
[05:13] <thomi> thanks
[05:13] <thomi> working on fixing the launcher tests now :-/
[05:13] <bschaefer> o, there are a lot in there...
[05:14] <bschaefer> Im hoping to actually fix a memory leak sometime soon haha.
[08:51] <trijntje> Hi all, I noticed that the files-lens ignores files on separate mountpionts by default. Is there a way to whitelist certain mountpoints?
[08:51] <davidcalle> trijntje, I don't think there is. mhr3? ^
[08:53] <mhr3> trijntje, there is - /etc/updatedb.conf
[08:54] <mhr3> but i'd be careful, there are reasons those are disabled
[08:59] <trijntje> mhr3: what should I be careful about? I only want to allow some partitions I mount by default
[09:09] <apw> didrocks, i have that stacking issue again, i am starting to feel it occurs when you do an update which brings unity but you have not yet logged out to start using the new one, would that make _any_ sense ?
[09:09] <didrocks> apw: I can't say it make sense to me at least, as the old .so file is still used
[09:09] <didrocks> apw: I think it's maybe just a coincidence
[09:10] <didrocks> apw: sam is you man for that, definitively
[09:10] <apw> didrocks, no i don't think it does, but i've had it twice recently and both times when i was updating i am pretty sure
[09:10]  * apw is also reminded that -proposed is kept enabled by default ...
[09:12] <didrocks> oh, -proposed is enabled by default?
[09:19] <Cimi> didrocks, I don't think it is
[09:19] <Cimi> didrocks, I had to enable proposed to test new unity
[09:19] <Cimi> didrocks, I installed in 11.10
[09:19] <didrocks> ok
[10:14] <blueyed> Is it possible to exclude windows (e.g by app name) from being collapsed in the alt-tab switcher? (like gnome-terminal) I would rather have 4 separate entries in the first place.
[10:44] <ochosi> hi everyone, i have a question: what does a gtk-theme need to show up in unity's theme selector? (mine doesn't show up)
[11:07] <Cimi> ochosi, I guess it should be in /usr/share/themes
[11:08] <seb128> ochosi, Cimi: what do you call "unity's theme selector"?
[11:09] <Cimi> seb128, I guess he is referring to the appearance applet
[11:09] <seb128> Cimi, right, well that has an hardcoded list of supported themes, that doesn't pick any theme installed
[11:09] <seb128> i.e it's only the light themes, the a11y themes and the GNOME one when installed
[11:09] <Cimi> good then
[11:24] <ochosi> Cimi: that's where it is. i guess i was wondering whether the theme itself needed anything special it doesn't need for other desktops
[11:24] <ochosi> seb128: hardcoded theme-list? so how can unity-users install/use new themes from the e.g. the interwebs then?
[11:25] <Cimi> ochosi, they need to use external tools
[11:26] <ochosi> Cimi: right. i wasn't aware of that. is that a design decision?
[11:26] <seb128> ochosi, dunno, gnome-tweaks, ubuntu-tweaks
[11:26] <Cimi> ochosi, gnome 3 one
[11:26] <seb128> ochosi, it's just a non supported feature, GNOME has no theme selector, we add one to allow changing between the 2 light themes variants
[11:26] <seb128> then we added the a11y themes as well and the GNOME one for gnome-shell users
[11:27] <seb128> ochosi, I guess it could be improved to pick any installed theme, it's just no a priority on the list of things to fix,work on
[11:27] <ochosi> i see
[11:27] <seb128> if you want to work on it patches are welcome I guess
[11:27] <ochosi> i've been the artwork-lead of xubuntu for a few releases now and i thought it'd be nice if our default theme supports unity as well
[11:27] <ochosi> (that's the background)
[11:28] <ochosi> sry, not too much of a coder
[11:28] <seb128> no technical reason to not do it
[11:28] <ochosi> you mean support unity? yeah, that was easy enough basing it off ambiance's unity.css
[11:29] <ochosi> the technical reason not to would be that users can't (easily) switch to the theme anyway :)
[11:29] <seb128> well they can with gnome-tweak, ubuntu-tweak, etc
[11:29] <ochosi> sure
[11:30] <ochosi> i'm just used to easily change themes in xfce and iirc in gnome2 it was also straight-forward
[11:30] <seb128> but yeah, that's something we can look at fixing next cycle, as said it started small just to be able to select which light theme variant to use
[11:30] <ochosi> mhm
[11:30] <seb128> GNOME decided that the themes is part of the desktop design and not something to tweak I think
[11:31] <seb128> i.e it's part of the shell visual identify
[11:31] <seb128> that's why they dropped the option
[11:31] <ochosi> that's a strange decision from my point of view, but anyway, it's a gnome-decision i guess
[11:31] <seb128> yes
[11:31] <zgreg> I hope they add some more configuration options
[11:31] <zgreg> for example for font size
[11:31] <seb128> it's there
[11:31] <zgreg> the accessibility settings are useless
[11:31] <ochosi> yeah, not being able to change themes feels like pre-windowsxp
[11:31] <seb128> in the accessibility panel
[11:32] <zgreg> they are the coarse...
[11:32] <zgreg> err, too coarse
[11:32] <seb128> I guess you could argue with them to get a slider with extra granularity
[11:32] <zgreg> what do you want, reasonable font size, miniscule fonts, or huge fonts? :D
[11:32] <zgreg> there's nothing inbetween
[11:35] <ochosi> seb128: anyway, thanks for the update. i guess i'll try to push the unity-support to -proposed and publish a quick howto on planet.ubuntu
[11:35] <seb128> ochosi, you're welcome
[12:02] <rye> hm, selecting Radiance makes the panel menu text glyphs looks blurred at the right edge.
[12:03] <rye> but when you invoke the menu, label redraws and becomes correct
[12:13] <rye> could somebody from Unity team switch to Radiance - this is what I see - http://ubuntuone.com/4eMA9RedmLP8lsYHVozV1z
[12:13] <rye> It's even worse with the bold typeface of window titles
[12:14] <zgreg> ugh, looks like subpixel rendering is broken with that theme, for some reason
[12:15] <rye> as if by default text is using a different subpixel rendering type setting
[12:37] <rye> bug #983923  but it is weird
[12:49] <rye> am I correct that unity panel is gtk3?
[12:53] <seb128> rye, yes
[13:02] <rye> eh, i guess I cannot find any way I can influence the Radiance theme atm, bug filed, back to U1 stuff
[13:27] <malin> davidcalle: I have made some of the files needed for packing my lens
[13:28] <malin> I can push it to launchpad and I need help with some few things. What I am missing filling in in the different files and so on :)
[13:28] <davidcalle> malin, ok. I have a meeting in ten minutes, but I will give it a look later in the afternoon.
[13:30] <malin> thank you davidcalle  :)
[13:31] <malin> hm. I did something wrong. There is just one file in the project :S
[13:33] <malin> well, fixed: here is the latest revision: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~malinkb/unity-buss/unity-buss-experimental/files
[15:46] <davidcalle> malin, ping
[15:47] <malin> davidcalle: ping ping :)
[15:47] <malin> or ping pong. here I am :)
[15:47] <davidcalle> malin, I've pushed a branch on your project
[15:48] <malin> ah :)
[15:48] <davidcalle> malin, with the packaging fixes
[15:48] <malin> thanx
[15:48] <davidcalle> malin, I've made a merge proposal, you have to review it and accept it :)
[15:49] <malin> okey :)
[15:49] <davidcalle> malin, then, you will almost be able to build it automatically in your PPA :)
[15:49] <davidcalle> There is a last tiny step to do this.
[15:51] <malin> oki :) I would like to have an explonation in detail on how to do this, so I can do it my self next time :) Maybe there is a tutorial :)
[15:52] <malin> but I am so thankfull that you are spending your time helping me with this :)
[15:54] <davidcalle> malin, I'm pretty sure there is a comprehensive packaging tutorial somewhere. I'll ping you if I find one.
[15:56] <davidcalle> malin, the last step will be to create a recipe for your package on Launchpad. It's just a form to fill when you click "create packaging recipe" on your branch page.
[15:58] <malin> thanx davidcalle :) So what does the packagin recipe need to contain?
[16:00] <davidcalle> malin, a name for your recipe (whatever you want), the PPA, the version of Ubuntu you want to build for and the recipe text (maybe I'm wrong, but it should be already filled by Launchpad, if no, it's just http://paste.ubuntu.com/934153/ )
[16:03] <malin> okey :)
[16:04] <malin> hm.. I set it to approve, but I cannot se it is merged yet
[16:07] <davidcalle> malin, you have to merge it manually, read my comment on the merge page :)
[16:08] <malin> ok
[16:09] <malin> ah, I see :)
[16:11] <malin> I did:
[16:11] <malin> bzr pull lp:unity-buss
[16:11] <malin> returned:
[16:11] <malin> No revisions or tags to pull.
[16:15] <davidcalle> malin, that's because you already are in the folder of your project. What does bzr status gives?
[16:16] <malin> davidcalle: I think I made it, just skiped the step
[16:16] <malin> and continued with merge instead
[16:17] <malin> but hm.. dosen't seemded to work. Will check br status
[16:17] <davidcalle> Ok. The step was just to be sure you were merging on a clean version of your project. Clean as in "equal to what's in your trunk on Launchpad".
[16:17] <malin> this is what I did: http://pastebin.com/J4Bt5vef
[16:17] <malin> I see
[16:18] <davidcalle> malin, from what I see on Launchpad, it worked :)
[16:19] <malin> ah it did? Cause the browser just try to load the browse code page, but it dosen't finish. I am trying to browse it once again
[16:19] <malin> dosen't load
[16:20] <malin> yeah it looks merged, but I cannot watch my code :S
[16:21] <malin> it just freeze on loading
[16:22] <davidcalle> malin, Launchpad is apparently in maintenance for a few minutes : https://plus.google.com/u/0/109129028036222996031/posts/FBixu3QNQVk
[16:22] <malin> ah
[16:22] <malin> aha, that explains all :)
[16:23] <malin> but thank you so much for helping me :) I am so happy to get it packed soon, and spread this :)
[16:27] <malin> nice. you found me at google + :)
[16:27] <davidcalle> malin, heh, I'm glad people are making their own lenses. :)
[16:27] <malin> yeah :)
[16:28] <malin> I think Jo-erlend told me I could make my own lenses, and then I just did :)
[16:29] <malin> This is the first thing I have made who is usefull and finished :) Well, there is some few improvements I will add before I will call it version 1.0
[16:31] <davidcalle> malin, yeah, version 1.0 is always a bug step :)
[16:31] <davidcalle> big*
[16:33] <malin> it is, and I think version 0.9 is very close... :)
[16:34] <bdrung> Cimi: around?
[16:34] <Cimi> bdrung, in 30 mins
[16:38] <malin> oh lord, I can browse the code again :) meaning I will get it packed
[17:08] <bdrung> Cimi: hi. do you have time to help me debugging bug #955376 and #981289?
[17:09] <Cimi> bdrung, might be a :insensitive state for the first one
[17:10] <Cimi> sorry I meant the latter
[17:10] <Cimi> for the first one instead
[17:10]  * Cimi looks
[17:10] <Cimi> this is probaby a missing match
[17:10] <Cimi> I think someone did changes, but I didn't have time to approve
[17:11] <bdrung> i failed in finding a correct name to match
[17:11] <Cimi> https://code.launchpad.net/~and471/light-themes/desktop-panels-929665/+merge/92327
[17:11] <Cimi> try merging this branch into lp:light-themes
[17:11] <Cimi> and see if that fixes for you
[17:13] <bdrung> Cimi: i have to leave now. i will be back in ~2 hours. then i will test this branch and report back.
[17:13] <Cimi> bdrung, ok, I will leave too but I think I'll be online tonight
[17:14] <bdrung> but i doubt that this branch will fix the theme issue.
[17:16] <rye> Cimi: may i inquire you about this too - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/983923/+attachment/3083260/+files/Radiance-jagged.png - bug #983923
[17:16] <rye> the title is how i see it being at the point, but I was not able to find anything particularly different in Radiance theme (vs Ambiance)
[19:13] <shnatsel> hello!
[19:15] <shnatsel> I'm writing ulatencyd configs for Ubuntu, including Unity. Among other things it can set higher or lower priority (niceness) to specific processes. I've raised priority for UI components and unity-panel-service, but I'm not sure what priority should I set to unity-applications-daemon and lenses. Any hints?
[19:16] <davidcalle> malin, I've noticed you are building for Oneiric too. You shouldn't, as Precise lenses don't work on Oneiric. :)
[19:17] <malin> davidcalle: ah. Didn't know. Then I have to change it :)
[19:17] <malin> davidcalle: I got builds for i386 only. Belived I would get it for all
[19:18] <davidcalle> malin, it's ok : unity-lens-buss_0.9-0~22~precise1_all.deb  notice the "all" at the end.
[19:19] <malin> ah, so it is right?
[19:19] <malin> yeah, it state all, so I have to change i386 in launchpad then?
[19:20] <malin> cause the architecture tag states i386 and not all, but I see, the package is right
[19:20] <davidcalle> shnatsel, I think they should be on low priority, they are really punctual tasks. But I'm not sure. mhr3 ?
[19:22] <shnatsel> davidcalle: it depends on what they do. If they are doing something only responding to user's request, they should be higher priority to be more responsive. If they work mostly in background, they should be low priority to make way for user's real tasks.
[19:23] <davidcalle> malin, no it's fine. "All" is specified in your debian/control file and Launchpad fallbacks on the i386 tag in this case. That's normal.
[19:23] <malin> ah
[19:26] <davidcalle> shnatsel, then I was right not to be sure. They are an almost inexistent background noise and need to be super responsive on user's request.
[19:26] <davidcalle> shnatsel, my bad.
[19:28] <shnatsel> davidcalle: both lenses and applications daemon?
[19:28] <jo-erlend> is it still necessary to restart Unity in order for new lenses to become available? I thought I read about some command to reload, but that might be in another context.
[19:30] <davidcalle> jo-erlend, still necessary, yes. The command is just a request that has been made... Let's hope it's here for 12.10.
[19:30] <jo-erlend> yes, that's sort of a big deal.
[19:31] <davidcalle> shnatsel, lenses = daemons, the visible dash chrome is managed by compiz.
[19:32] <shnatsel> davidcalle: and what unity-applications-daemon do?
[19:32] <davidcalle> shnatsel, it's the lens.
[19:33] <shnatsel> davidcalle: it's not directly a lens and I couldn't find any docs about it
[19:33] <shnatsel> davidcalle: ah, sorry, my bad, indeed it is
[19:33] <shnatsel> davidcalle: thanks! I'll raise priority and propose the configs upstream once I test them a bit more.
[19:34] <davidcalle> davidcalle, thanks!
[19:34] <davidcalle> shnatsel, ok, now you see it, I'm eating and especially drinking quite a lot right now :)
[19:34] <shnatsel> :D
[19:37] <shnatsel> oh, by the way... I normally work for elementary, as the OS guy. I have conducted an extensive research about near-term performance optimization, there are 5 items and ulatecnyd is one of them (that's why I'm asking). Here are the results, in case you're interested: http://shnatsel.blogspot.com/2012/04/5-ideas-that-every-desktop-os-should.html
[19:39] <shnatsel> all those items can be used in Ubuntu, but I have no idea where to submit this.
[19:39] <malin> davidcalle: thank you again for all help
[19:39] <malin> and thanks to mhall119 too for helping
[19:40] <malin> and everyone else who have helped me :)
[19:40] <malin> I will do some few fixes on this lense, and then start on another one I think :)
[19:41] <davidcalle> shnatsel, ubuntu-devel mailing list I guess
[19:41] <shnatsel> davidcalle: thanks! will do
[19:41] <davidcalle> malin, another one? That's great :) Any ideas?
[19:41] <davidcalle> shnatsel, np
[19:52] <jo-erlend> malin, there's also a Quickly template in the works now. It should simplify and speed up the creation of single-scope lenses dramatically.
[20:33] <malin> jo-erlend: coool
[20:40] <jo-erlend> malin, yes, it doesn't seem to work, but you can see how it's supposed to work here: developer.ubuntu.com/2012/04/how-to-create-a-wikipedia-unity-lens-for-ubuntu
[20:50] <bdrung> Cimi: that branch didn't fix it, but I found a branch that fixes it: https://code.launchpad.net/~eye-zak-devel/light-themes/fixes-lp954437/+merge/97295
[20:50] <mhall119> jo-erlend: it works, at least for david and I (and a few others I've heard from)
[20:50] <mhall119> jo-erlend: what problem are you having with the quickly template?
[20:51] <mhall119> jo-erlend: it's still complaining about not having the .service file?
[20:59] <jo-erlend> mhall119, yup.
[21:00] <mhall119> jo-erlend: that's very strange, it shouldn't even *try* to do that when the lens daemon is already running...
[21:00] <mhall119> jo-erlend: the lens process is printing that error, or something else?
[21:01] <jo-erlend> mhall119, let me repeat it and see.
[21:13] <jo-erlend> mhall119, hmm. Different results now. I'm beginning to think it might've been a pebcak.
[21:17] <jo-erlend> mhall119, Why does the article recommend quickly install? It seems to me that recommending "quickly package", install the deb and restart unity would be better.
[21:20] <mhall119> jo-erlend: "quickly install" does the minimum amount necessary to allow testing via "quickly run"
[21:21] <mhall119> also, fyi, you don't need to run "quickly install" if yu add/remove categories or change your .lens file, you don't have to do it for changes to the search function to be picked up
[21:21] <mhall119> you *only* need to run quickly install in those scenarios, not "don't
[21:21] <jo-erlend> oh, ok. I see.
[21:22] <jo-erlend> in other words, it should've been called "quickly testrun" or something? :)
[21:26] <mhall119> or something, but I couldn't think of a better something
[21:27] <mhall119> I'm thinking "addlens" now, but it's too late for 12.04
[21:32] <jo-erlend> mhall119, I don't think it's a big problem. But it would be nice if the article was updated to better explain what quickly install does and what to expect.
[21:34] <davidcalle> jo-erlend, the *surprise* Unity restart?
[21:35] <jo-erlend> davidcalle, for instance, yes. And the large amount of scary text that appears in the terminal.
[21:38] <davidcalle> jo-erlend, you are right, but I didn't want to break the tutorial with scary things (developing lenses leads anyway to several unity --restart, with everything it involves). I'll see if I can directly update it myself tomorrow and add some kind of warning.
[21:42] <jo-erlend> you can have it in the intro, before the tutorial itself starts. Something about how lenses aren't usually added and removed all the time, and that it will be started automatically at login, etc.
[21:43] <jo-erlend> but it's really annoying that this is necessary in 12.04.
[21:43] <jo-erlend> I'm wondering if a lens-updater can be added as its own program without requiring a Unity restart?
[21:45] <davidcalle> jo-erlend, lens updater?
[21:45] <jo-erlend> yes, I mean some program to refresh the lenses in Unity without having to restart Unity itself.
[21:50] <jo-erlend> it's not a big deal in any case though.
[21:51] <malin> how do I reverse the result-list?
[21:52] <malin> I changed my lens so it display several answers again, but the newest result is placed last. I want it on top
[21:52] <malin> I tried to add reverse to this: model = search.props.results_mode by writing: model = search.props.results_mode.reverse <<--didn̈́t work
[21:53] <malin> it didn't work to write model.reverse() on a single line either
[21:53] <davidcalle> malin, create a list of results, reverse it, then append each result to the model.
[21:54] <malin> yeah, so I should actually write the results to a textfile first, and then add them to the model. Then I think I implemnt it in next version :)
[21:54] <davidcalle> malin, not to a text file, just to a variable :)
[21:54] <malin> davidcalle: ah, so it's enough to put it in a variabel?
[21:55] <malin> hm.. but I do have put it to a variabel already
[21:55] <malin> or does it need its own variabel. I need an array I guess?
[21:57] <davidcalle> malin, I don't know how you separate your results from your initial string of results. But create a list "results_list = []", then for each one, "results_list.append(result)". Then results_list.reverse (). And "for result in results_list:" model.append etc.
[21:58] <davidcalle> malin, not sure I'm clear :) Need to go to sleep ;)
[21:58] <malin> I need to sleep too :) but I can try something like that :) thank you very much
[21:58] <malin> Have a good night
[21:58] <davidcalle> malin, you too!
[22:02] <Teester> mhall119: Ping
[23:14] <bdrung> Cimi: around?
[23:51] <Cimi> bdrung, no :)
[23:51] <bdrung> Cimi: in which timezone do you live?
[23:52] <Cimi> bdrung, London
[23:52] <Cimi> (Italian guy in London :))


[08:10] <doko> sbeattie: just to make sure, you're done with apps, but didn't start tomcat2?
[09:11] <sil2100> Copying that one missing package from stage3 and apps soon
[11:14] <doko> sil2100: do you want me to set the verification-done tags for all those, or does this interfer with SRU work and somebody accepts these to -updates?
[11:15] <doko> hmm, no, can't work. there is no 1:1 bug<->ppa relation
[11:16] <sil2100> Let's leave the tags as they are
[11:16] <sil2100> It's not like this will go to -updates anyway
[11:35] <doko> sil2100: if you didn't touch netbean yet, I'd like to update to the disco version
[11:36] <doko> ahh, just added. will update then
[11:40] <sil2100> fonts-liberation2 doesn't have a bug attached to it
[11:40] <sil2100> I guess libreoffice as well
[11:41] <sil2100> Since these are not real SRUs, I guess I could accept them as is but you'd have to make sure they don't get lost
[11:41] <sil2100> sbeattie: do you require tracking bugs in all of the uploads here? ^
[11:42] <sil2100> Anyway, besides fonts-liberation2, libreoffice and libreoffice-l10n, everything else from apps has been copied
[11:42] <sil2100> (same for jruby-openssl from stage3)
[18:38] <doko> sbeattie: ppa:apps: updated netbeans, added libjavaewah-java (netbeans), gluegen2, libjogl2-java and scilab. put into ppa:apps because sweethome3d likely needs the gluegen2 and libjogl2-java updates as well
[22:02] <sbeattie> sil2100: I'd prefer to have the bug reference in the changelog, but I wouldn't respin just for that.


[00:12] <jelmer> Jc2k, re
[00:14] <jelmer> Jc2k, k
[00:17] <Jc2k>  :)
[01:46] <Odd_Bloke> Merry Christmas, #bzr. :)
[02:00] <jelmer> merry christmas Odd_Bloke :-)
[04:05] <SnowyOwl> Hello colleagues, and Merry Christmas!
[04:07] <SnowyOwl> I keep getting 'ImportError: no module named commands' with TortoiseBzr from bzr-setup-1.10-1.exe
[04:08] <SnowyOwl> on several systems, most of them were working well with bzr-setup-1.9.exe
[13:17] <Spaz> merry christmas :)
[13:44] <Jc2k> merry christmas.
[13:44] <jelmer> merry christmas :-)
[13:44] <jelmer> hi Jc2k
[13:44] <Jc2k> *blinks*
[13:45] <Jc2k> i was just going to ping you jelmer :)
[13:45] <Jc2k> push and clone against server.py are working again
[13:49] <jelmer> ah cool
[13:49]  * jelmer merges
[13:49] <Jc2k> hopefully pull too, really need tests gah :p
[14:00] <magcius> Is bzr daemonless?
[14:02] <jelmer> magcius, not sure what you mean with daemonless
[14:02] <magcius> Does there need to be a server running like traditional VCS toold?
[14:02] <magcius> tools*
[14:02] <jelmer> magcius, you can pull / push to a remote server without a bzr-specific daemon necessarily running on that server
[14:03] <magcius> jelmer, so it uses WebDAV?
[14:03] <jelmer> magcius: But you can optionally use a server on the remote side, for better performance
[14:03] <jelmer> magcius, the main "dumb" transport that seems to be used is sftp
[14:03] <jelmer> magcius, ftp is also supported out of the box, and there is a plugin for webdav
[14:03] <magcius> Ah. Okay.
[14:06] <jelmer> Jc2k: I'm working on getting packs fixed, and on supporting fetch from remote in bzr-git
[14:06] <Jc2k> jelmer: okie dokie. i'm tempted to move the pack generation out of server.py and make client.py use it
[14:07] <jelmer> Jc2k: Go for it :-)
[14:09] <Jc2k> jelmer: im a bit cautious of moving anything to pack.py as i need to go via the repo object.. dont like the bouncy-around-dependencies :\ am i just being over sensitive, or shall i add packwriter.py/packbuilder.py?
[14:09] <magcius> Is there a bzr emacs ... err.. hook?
[14:10] <asabil> magcius: there is the emacs dvc mode iirc, and it does support bzr
[14:10] <jelmer> Jc2k, yeah, same here. What do you need the repo object for?
[14:11] <magcius> asabil, not according to this here HOWTO
[14:11] <asabil> magcius: http://www.xsteve.at/prg/emacs_dvc/dvc.html#table
[14:12] <Jc2k> jelmer: if i'm building a pack, i walk the dag to work out what objects to send. currently i use the repo both for the tree() /commit() methods and because in theory i might be generating a pack out of loose objects
[14:13] <jelmer> Jc2k, perhaps just extract out a function that works out what objects to send based on a list of shas and a callback for get_object ?
[14:14] <Jc2k> it would need def pack_contents(want, have, get_commit, get_tree)..
[14:15] <Jc2k> i guess i could also follow the bzr pattern and have a wrapper on the repo object that fills in get_commit and get_tree for me
[14:16] <ia> hello. for example, i create branch from other place. does exist some way to check for available changes in origin branch without 'bzr update' run?
[14:18] <jelmer> Jc2k, You can just use get_object() rather than get_commit / get_tree; they do the same thing
[14:18] <jelmer> ia, "bzr missing <url>"
[14:21] <ia> jelmer: oh, thank you very much. that's exactly what i looking for :-)
[16:36] <jelmer> Jc2k, updating my samba tree is actually already pretty quick
[18:38] <sohail> for bzr, how can I get the last checkin to a specific directory?
[18:38] <sohail> with svn, I'd just do svn log /path/to/dir | head -n 1 or something
[18:40] <magcius> sohail, do you want the checkin time or the revision number?
[18:40] <sohail> magcius, I want the revision number
[18:40] <sohail> I tried bzr revno /path/to/dir but that gives me the revno for the whole repo not that directory
[18:41] <beuno> sohail, changes to the dir, or anything in it?
[18:41] <sohail> beuno, anything in it actually
[18:41] <magcius> I think each revision is a branch, so it can't distinguish non-changed files
[18:41] <beuno> sohail, right, I don't think you can do that with the bzr client
[18:41] <beuno> maybe bzrlib, if you're into python
[18:41] <sohail> :-O
[18:42] <sohail> oh well, I need it to overcome a slight design miscalculation in my build automation but I'm still surprised
[18:42] <sohail> I'd rather fix that than figure out bzrlib :-)
[18:42] <sohail> thanks for your help!
[18:42] <beuno> :)
[18:43] <beuno> file bugs, everyone lines bugs in bzr
[18:44] <sohail> I assume you mean to say likes bugs
[18:44] <beuno> ah, yes
[18:44] <beuno> I do
[19:13] <A_Bach> im looking for configuration eclipse + bazaar plugin help...
[21:20] <mtaylor> lifeless: around?
[21:58] <bewst1> bzr-svn is giving me headaches.  I'm trying to push and it tells me the branches have diverged and I need to merge first, which is certainly false.  I merge anyway and it says "nothing to do," and I loop back to the beginning :(.  Any help?
[21:58] <jelmer> bewst1, did you commit your merge?
[21:59] <jelmer> bewst1, or do you perhaps have any local changes?
[21:59] <jelmer> bewst1, what version of bzr-svn are you using?
[22:01] <bewst1> jelmer: I don't know what it means to "commit a merge."  I did commit one file that I have changed, but I still have some changed files in my working copy that I don't want to push.  So, yes, I have local changes
[22:01] <jelmer> bewst1, and the branch you're pushing to has no changes you don't have locally?
[22:01] <bewst1> That's correct
[22:02] <bewst1> double checking...
[22:02] <bewst1> Why does everything seem to go so slowly?
[22:03] <bewst1> Yep, pull says "no revisions to pull" and merge says "nothing to do."
[22:03] <jelmer> bewst1, and you're pulling from the same location that you're pushing to?
[22:03] <jelmer> bewst1, what does "bzr missing <push-url>" say?
[22:06] <bewst1> yes, pull and push locations match
[22:06] <jelmer> bewst1, what version of bzr-svn are you running?
[22:06] <bewst1> bzr missing says I have 4 extra revisions.
[22:06] <bewst1> How to check the bzr-svn version?
[22:07] <jelmer> bewst1, "bzr plugins" should print it
[22:07] <bewst1> 0.4.13
[22:07] <bewst1> It's what Intrepid gives me by default
[22:08] <bewst1> I don't know what this "4 extra revisions" business is; I'm going to look at it
[22:08] <bewst1> Oh, it also says I'm missing 13 revisions
[22:09] <jelmer> bewst1, that would explain the divergence
[22:10] <jelmer> not sure why pull doesn't do anything though
[22:10] <bewst1> How is that possible?  Those revisions are basically the whole history of the file
[22:10] <bewst1> Maybe I did a lightweight branch?
[22:10] <jelmer> bewst1, did you change the branching scheme recently?
[22:10] <jelmer> bewst1, is the branch public?
[22:10] <bewst1> Sorry, n00b.  What is a branching scheme?
[22:11] <bewst1> The svn branch is not public
[22:11] <jelmer> bewst1, if you don't know I guess you haven't changed it :-)
[22:11] <bewst1> the bzr branch is in a local repo on my machine
[22:11] <bewst1> I don't know from public bzr branches
[22:12] <bewst1> The svn branch is... a branch of some svn trunk.  The 13 branches missing appear to be those that were made on trunk before the svn branch
[22:12] <bewst1> Does that help?
[22:14] <bewst1> The 4 "extra" revisions appear to be the ones made in the svn branch plus the one I committed to my bzr repo and am trying to push
[22:14] <jelmer> bewst1, if you run "bzr missing --show-ids" are the revision ids for the revisions the same?
[22:15] <bewst1> Sorry, the same as /what/?
[22:16] <jelmer> bewst1, the revisions in the svn branch as reported by "bzr missing"
[22:17] <jelmer> since "bzr missing" would report some revisions twice in the "missing" and the "extra" listings
[22:17] <bewst1> ?? without the --show-ids, no ids are reported.  Do you mean "are the revisions numbers the same?"
[22:18] <jelmer> bewst1, no, the revision ids
[22:18] <jelmer> bewst1, if you run "bzr missing --show-ids", it should report a list of revisions that's missing locally and a list of revisions that's extra locally
[22:18] <bewst1> jelmer: yes
[22:18] <jelmer> bewst1, for each revision it should print the revision id
[22:18] <bewst1> ues
[22:18] <bewst1> yes
[22:18] <bewst1> compare that id with what?
[22:19] <jelmer> bewst1, if I understand you correctly, some revisions are listed in both the first and the last list
[22:19] <bewst1> first? last?  Sorry, I don't know what you mean
[22:19] <jelmer> bewst1, some revisions are in both the "locally missing" /and/ the "locally extra" list, right?
[22:20] <bewst1> no
[22:20] <jelmer> not sure I follow you then
[22:20] <bewst1> The "locally extra" list contains revisions made in the svn branch, plus the one I committed to my local bzr repo.  The "locally missing" list contains revisions made in the svn trunk before the svn branch point
[22:21] <bewst1> Taken together that appears to be *all* of the revisions of the one file that I changed in the local repo
[22:22] <bewst1> Sorry, I should have said "directory," not "file"
[22:22] <jelmer> bewst1, can you pastebin the "bzr missing" output? just the revision-id for each commit should be sufficient
[22:26] <bewst1> http://dpaste.com/102508/
[22:27] <bewst1> The only revision made in the bzr repo is on line 1
[22:27] <bewst1> Lines 2-4 are revisions made to the svn branch
[22:27] <bewst1> The rest are revisions made to the svn trunk
[22:29] <bewst1> jelmer: nothing jumps out at you?
[22:29] <jelmer> bewst1, it does actually
[22:30] <jelmer> bewst1, the branching scheme has changed underneath you
[22:30] <bewst1> possibly when we upgraded to svn 1.5?
[22:31] <bewst1> I'm still not sure what a branching scheme is ;-)
[22:31] <jelmer> bewst1, (fwiw, this bug is fixed in bzr-svn 0.5, which no longer has branching schemes)
[22:31] <jelmer> bewst1, it should be possible to work around it though
[22:32] <bewst1> Why don't I just upgrade?
[22:32] <bewst1> I'd rather get something that works than get involved in workarounds.
[22:32] <jelmer> bewst1, 0.5 is still in development, and requires bzr 1.10
[22:32] <jelmer> bewst1, the workaround shouldn't be too bad
[22:33] <bewst1> listening
[22:33] <jelmer> bewst1, in ~/.bazaar/subversion.conf, set "branching-scheme = trunk2" in the section [bbad15d5-7c10-0410-ba9e-f711d5c1d17a]
[22:33] <bewst1> How is it possible that the branching scheme, which is not a concept I even know about, has changed?
[22:33] <jelmer> bewst1, bzr-svn detects it based on the URL used
[22:34] <bewst1> Oh... well, there's a little problem with the svn+ prefix which I have occasionally ommitted and then added back
[22:34] <bewst1> bzr-svn complained that it was deprecated, but then wouldn't do something unless I supplied it.
[22:35] <jelmer> bewst1, yeah, that's a known bug (in bzr itself)
[22:36] <bewst1> OK, so I'll try this workaround
[22:37] <jelmer> maybe also set "branching-scheme-mandatory = True"
[22:38] <bewst1> jelmer: same result without mandatory.  Will try that next
[22:39] <bewst1> btw, it changes the branching scheme back to what it was when it fails
[22:40] <bewst1> It's not failing... yet.  But damn it's slow
[22:41] <bewst1> Finally it asked for my svn password twice and failed with an internal error.
[22:41] <jelmer> internal error?
[22:42] <bewst1> http://dpaste.com/102509/
[22:43] <bewst1> I've gotta say, this first encounter with bzr is a bit of a nightmare.
[22:44] <jelmer> bewst1, wait.. weren't you trying to push to boost-consulting/site/branches/seo ?
[22:44] <bewst1> I know DVC is supposed to speed up development, but I could've gone a long way further with SVN by now.  Is it worth trying to figure this out, or should I come back when 1.5 is out?
[22:45] <jelmer> bewst1, I would recommend trying again when bzr-svn 0.5 is out
[22:45] <bewst1> Well, I was in a subdirectory of seo called utils, and was trying to push that
[22:45]  * LarstiQ would say trying to back on svn is the main source of pain here
[22:45] <jelmer> bewst1, that prevents all this mess with branching schemes
[22:45] <jelmer> bewst1, you can't push subdirectories in bzr
[22:46] <jelmer> bewst1, at least that explains why it was switching to a different branching scheme
[22:46] <bewst1> Oh, I totally messed this up.      Gah.  But now it says no new revisions to push
[22:48] <bewst1> Do I need to revert the branching scheme?  I didn't save it :(
[22:48] <jelmer> bewst1, if you push to trunk it should use the right branching scheme
[22:48] <bewst1> jelmer: I didn't want to push to trunk!
[22:48] <bewst1> I was being a fool
[22:48] <jelmer> bewst1, are you sure the revision isn't in svn yet?
[22:48] <bewst1> Will look.
[22:50] <bewst1> it is!
[22:51] <bewst1> OK, will try some more.  Any idea what the release date for 0.5 /might/ be?
[22:51] <jelmer> bewst1, roughly a month from now I hope
[22:51] <bewst1> That might be worth hanging on for
[22:51] <jelmer> there is a release candidate out that people found a few bugs in, I plan to fix those and release another RC in a week or two
[22:52] <bewst1> kewl; thanks
[22:52] <jelmer> unless any significant bugs come up in that RC, I will release that as 0.5
[22:53] <bewst1> Does bzr-svn interoperate properly with svn 1.5 branch/merge tracking?
[22:53] <jelmer> bewst1, somewhat
[22:53] <jelmer> bewst1, only for full merges (no cherrypicking)
[22:53] <jelmer> bewst1, since none of the main DVCS'es do cherrypicking tracking
[22:53] <jelmer> (yet)
[22:53] <bewst1> Sorry, what constitutes a full merge?
[22:54] <jelmer> bewst1, if you "svn merge" a branch, it will track that
[22:54] <jelmer> bewst1, if you "svn merge -c" a specific revision only or a revision range, it won't
[23:00] <bewst1> jelmer, OK, thanks.  So if you think you might want to do something like that, just create separate bzr branches for each such separate change?
[23:07] <jelmer> bewst1, for example


[10:23] <derpey_noise[m]> Hello!
[10:23] <derpey_noise[m]> I've been trying to figure out whether adding the KXStudio repo would have any large issues with software in Ubuntu Studio but I'm not finding much
[10:23] <derpey_noise[m]> Sort of trying to determine if Ubuntu Studio would meet my needs as an audio producer
[10:26] <derpey_noise[m]> Actually I'm a little embarrassed, I found a very good response on askubuntu.com just now
[13:57] <MoonsofMoons[m]> > <@derpey_noise:matrix.org> Hello!
[13:57] <MoonsofMoons[m]> > I've been trying to figure out whether adding the KXStudio repo would have any large issues with software in Ubuntu Studio but I'm not finding much
[13:57] <MoonsofMoons[m]> > Sort of trying to determine if Ubuntu Studio would meet my needs as an audio producer
[13:57] <MoonsofMoons[m]> I added the repo and didn't experience any conflicts or issues.
[15:21] <krytarik> !kxstudio | MoonsofMoons[m]: I guess they found the answer this factoid also links to
[21:14] <OvenWerks> derpey_noise[m]: Cadence is known to conflict with ubuntustudio packages. Also note that cadence is out dated (according to the author). Once cadence has been installed, removing the package is problematic as some changes are left behind in the users home that prevents ubuntustudio audio tools from working correctly.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> derpey_noise[m]: it is ok if cadence does exactly what you want though. but other kxstudio packages are generally ok. In fact we have included some of them like carla.


[17:08] <Viz_> whats goin on
[17:44] <Barn38> hello all
[17:48] <leoquant> hi Barn38
[17:48] <Barn38> hello
[17:49] <Barn38> does anyone actually chat,I'm new to irc
[17:50] <leoquant> ah, you this channel is more or less related to Ubuntu?
[17:50] <leoquant> know
[17:51] <leoquant> and you are talking via freenode.net?
[19:03] <mhall119|work> this channel is generally used for teaching sessions
[19:04] <mhall119|work> see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom/
[19:04] <mhall119|work> there usually isn't much chatter here
[19:05] <mhall119|work> for help, try #ubuntu
[19:05] <mhall119|work> or #ubuntu-beginners
[21:08] <Claudinux> hi


[00:28] <sergio-br2> hi
[00:29] <sergio-br2> how can i use if statement in debian/rules? I need to know what architecture the packaging is building, x86 or amd64
[00:30] <sergio-br2> I have these:
[00:30] <sergio-br2> $(MAKE) WITH_DYNAREC=x86_64
[00:30] <sergio-br2> and
[00:30] <sergio-br2> make WITH_DYNAREC=x86
[00:31] <dobey> why doesn't the build system automatically infer that?


[09:22] <rmg51> Morning
[12:11] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples and whatever else is around
[13:27] <lazyPower> o/
[17:03] <ChinnoDog> Is there a way to get apport to stop asking for permission to report crashes besides disabling it altogether?
[17:16] <lazyPower> ChinnoDog: not to my knowledge
[17:22] <ChinnoDog> I'm happy to report crashes but not if dialogs requiring multiple actions are going to pop up for each and every one.
[17:24] <ChinnoDog> Was it in Fedora or an earlier version of Ubuntu that there is a tray icon that appears when something crashes? I like that design. If something unexpected happens I get a hint of what happened. If something crashes and I don't notice I can ignore the icon until I am ready to deal withi t.
[17:28] <jthan> ChinnoDog: fedora
[17:30] <lazyPower> ChinnoDog: ubuntu doesn't use the tray they use the unity losenge design to warehouse apport. The unfortuante side effect of apport is it collects potentially sensitive information - which is why i requires a sudo elevation to report the bugs.
[17:30] <lazyPower> there's room for improvement there, i agree with you. Unfortunately i dont think apport is as active of a project anymore with the new focus being on mobile and getting the mir display server shored up for the convergence play.
[17:30] <lazyPower> but thats hard for me to really discern as I work in a completely different dept. of canonical.
[17:33] <ChinnoDog> apport is inactive? :-( That is unfortunate. It is an important part of the ecosystem. If I were publishing Ubuntu apps I would definitely be mining the crash reports.
[18:42] <lazyPower> well inactive meaning its gone maintenance mode
[18:42] <lazyPower> its doing security / bug patching
[18:42] <lazyPower> but i dont think anyone is actively working on new features for it


[00:12] <lagunaloire> hello again, i am trying to work on a better browser for ubuntu and xp...one that doesn't need that blasted sse3 trickery that obsoleted the pentium 4 processors like the northwood versions
[00:13] <lagunaloire> i don't know why those google scum...forced sse3 instead of sse2-support that all pentium 4's had
[00:14] <lagunaloire> but right now i need a better version of libharfbuzz into the ubuntu repository....i need about version 5.2 like fedora 37 hass
[00:14] <leftyfb> !latest | lagunaloire
[00:15] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: you might try #ubuntu-devel or #debian
[00:15] <lagunaloire> are any ubuntu devs here today that can help with getting libharfbuzz-dev version 5.2 source code and headers into the ubuntu source code repositories
[00:15] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: please see my posts above
[00:15] <lagunaloire> leftyfb..ok i will ask again in #ubuntu-dev
[00:16] <lagunaloire> those sse3 scumbags trying to obsolete everyones processors and computers that had sse2
[00:16] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: sorry, that's offtopic here
[00:17] <lagunaloire> leftyfb...ok well i am working on it
[00:17] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: feel free to air your grievances on the forums, in bug reports or in #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:17] <lagunaloire> leftyfb...it is not a grievance...it is just those damn greedy sob's trying to force people to give up their sse2 processors just to have a modern browser
[00:18] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: please stop
[00:19] <lagunaloire> leftyfb ok well i am going to keep working on this because it is very important for the entire world that doesn't want forced obsolesence
[00:20] <lagunaloire> it is those chromium browser scumbags...which affects all the derivatives like edge and so on
[00:20] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: please stop
[00:20] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: this isn't the place for it
[00:21] <lagunaloire> leftyfb ok did you say #ubuntu-devel
[00:22] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: yes, 16 lines above this one
[00:22] <lagunaloire> leftyfb there is always so much to do every lousy day...because of a..holes in this business
[00:22] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: please stop
[00:27] <lagunaloire> leftyfb....asking in #debian doesn't do any good because debian refuses to supply a buildable chromium-dev sourcecode package that can be modified to change from sse3 instruction code to sse2 instruction code
[00:27] <lagunaloire> leftyfb...and ubuntu is only supplying a binary from snap
[00:27] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: then make your own snap
[00:28] <leftyfb>  /join #snappy for help with that
[00:28] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: otherwise, if you want a library included with ubuntu, you start with debian
[00:28] <leftyfb> good luck
[00:28] <lagunaloire> leftyfb that is what i am going to do...but first i need to get all the build-deps in order on this ubuntu jammy systemm
[00:28] <leftyfb> that's not how snaps work
[00:29] <lagunaloire> leftyfb...i don't care how binary trickery like sse3 requirements for a chromium snap...causes all kinds of headaches to people on older but good machines
[00:30] <lagunaloire> leftyfb it has to be recoded and rebuilt
[00:30] <lagunaloire> leftyfb and you need all the dependency libraries to do that
[00:30] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: snaps do not rely on library packages in ubuntu(for the most part). Everything a snap needs is included in the snap
[00:31] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: feel free to /join #snappy or start with https://snapcraft.io/docs/creating-a-snap for help building your own snap
[00:31] <lagunaloire> leftyfb...snaps that require processors with sse3 are of no use to the majority of the world on older hardwaare
[00:32] <leftyfb> lagunaloire: ok. Then that leaves getting your preferred library included ubuntu as a package. You do that by starting with Debian
[00:32] <leftyfb> good luck
[00:33] <lagunaloire> leftyfb debian doesn't even supply the chromium source code much less the build dependencies for it....i am in #ubuntu-devel now to see if ubuntu devs can work on this
[00:33] <leftyfb> good luck
[00:50] <yendor> hello i have a problem here
[00:50] <yendor> i have a folder with 40 GB and only 10 free
[00:51] <yendor> i ddi try to extract 13gb there so it give error, and no extraction was completed, but now i dont see any file, and it said the folder is 100% size uccupied
[00:51] <yendor> there extracting file ddi gone but still i see no space left
[00:52] <yendor> there extracting file ddi gone but still i see no space left
[00:52] <yendor> did gone*
[00:53] <yendor> maybe some with tmpfs files? where are they
[00:58] <oerheks> try to extract 13gb .. how?
[00:58] <lagunaloire> yendor sometimes that stuff is very hard to find....i suggest getting one of the cheap ssd drives on sale for Black Holiday Sales before Christmas and migrating your stuff to it so you will have more room
[00:58] <oerheks> lagunaloire, that is not helpfull
[00:58] <lagunaloire> yendor just migrate your whole partition of work onto a larger drive
[00:59] <yendor> nomy sdd disk was 240gb and now it tells tehre is 220gp
[00:59] <yendor> iam from argentina,
[00:59] <yendor> broken country
[00:59] <oerheks> yendor, so what command did you use?
[00:59] <yendor> i haven th eposibility to buy new things
[00:59] <oerheks> we need more info than that
[01:00] <yendor> tar file was 4gp, but when uncompressed its 10gb
[01:00] <yendor> gb*
[01:00] <lagunaloire> yendor don't feel bad...i also am very very poor...i keep having to go to prison many times in the US so they stole many of my ideas and never paid me any money for them
[01:01] <yendor> i just right click it and click extract here
[01:01] <yendor> i think it uses a defaul program like xarchive
[01:01] <lagunaloire> yendor...so i fully understand your poverty...and wish to better the opportunities of the poor like me
[01:02] <yendor> i will learn programming to have a remote job
[01:02] <lagunaloire> yendor some stuff is really secret and hard to detect and clean....like DISCORD that even Revo Uninstaller can't seem to find
[01:03] <lagunaloire> those DISCORD bastards that did not include an easy uninstall for windows that would clean up their registry garbage
[01:03] <oerheks> lagunaloire,please stop, this a support channel, not casual chat
[01:04] <oerheks> yendor, your archive might be extracted somwhere, as the space filled up.. maybe on /
[01:05] <yendor> its like the file its hidden  but is still thre
[01:05] <yendor> there
[01:05] <lagunaloire> oerheks i am trying to help him in the easiest way possible so that he learns to migrate from difficult issues when they arise because of malevolent and criminal web trash
[01:05] <oerheks> lagunaloire, no you are not helpfull.
[01:06] <yendor> its a game called planeshift
[01:07] <oerheks> french doc might give a clue, it is installed in /opt ? https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/planeshift
[01:08] <oerheks> old app .. i hope you get it working
[01:08] <yendor> its the new planeshift
[01:08] <lagunaloire> yendor i have heard of it...but you will need more room for that and many other games...so i suggest nipping it in the bud with the latest Black Friday sales on larger drives
[01:08] <yendor> allthe game redo with the unreal engine
[01:08] <yendor> and now its 4GB compressed and around 10GB uncompressed
[01:08] <oerheks> yendor, any url?"
[01:09] <oerheks> lagunaloire, ?????
[01:09] <yendor> i did download and try to extract it in a apart disk i only have it for storage
[01:09] <yendor> https://www.planeshift.it/article/2022/PlaneShift%20Unreal%20Alpha%20Release%2021
[01:10] <yendor> i did download the linux.tar.bz2 file
[01:11] <lagunaloire> yendor don't feel bad...i am trying to evaluate the free games like genshin impact, vietnam, fallout, and the unreal engine development files and it is already 200 gigabytes just for those few.... but it has to be done to see if they are worthy games for others to enjoy before they spend a lot of money
[01:11] <oerheks> oke, 15 minute download, 5 hrs to register account.. grinn
[01:12] <yendor> /dev/sdb1       220G  206G  2.4G  99% /media/z100
[01:12] <yendor> it say 220GB but it its 240gb
[01:12] <yendor> 20gb disappear
[01:12] <lagunaloire> yendor...evaluation of games is very time consuming and arduos work...but it is important for people to know which games to spend their time with
[01:13] <lagunaloire> yendor especially if they are very poor like me
[01:13] <yendor> poor its just a circustance
[01:13] <yendor> you can change it later on and be rich
[01:14] <lagunaloire> yendor..no i have been forced to live in poverty ever since i got my Doctor's degree...and now i am 67 and it is too late to worry about getting a better life
[01:15] <lagunaloire> yendor you can't change it later on..because later is too damn late
[01:15] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire, yendor: This channel is for Ubuntu tech support, not general chat.
[01:16] <yendor> ok
[01:17] <lagunaloire> yendor if i could have made some money decades ago...after i became a Doctor...i could have enjoyed having a wife and children of my own...but sadly all these bastards prevented me from making any real money with my Doctor's degree
[01:18] <oerheks> lagunaloire, keep this channel family friendly, watch your language
[01:18] <oerheks> and stay ontopic, this is support, not chat.
[01:18] <oerheks> yendor, have you checked /opt?
[01:22] <lagunaloire> oerheks you starve in the lowest depths of poverty-stricken hell for nearly half-a-century and see what words you choose
[01:23] <oerheks> !ops
[01:23] <oerheks> no need for those insults, leave this channel please
[01:23] <arraybolt3> +1
[01:23] <ravage> yendor: and for the 20gb that "disappear" -> 240 gigabyte are around 220 Gibibyte. So thats totally normal.
[01:24] <oerheks> ravage,  2 minutes to go, to test..
[01:24] <oerheks> and t is 4.8 gb...
[01:24] <lagunaloire> oerheks...its not an insult..it is meant to be an eye-opener but i will go elsewhere...there must be a club for the poor somewhere
[01:24] <ravage> please just leave
[01:24] <arraybolt3> Also drives frequently will measure gigabytes in straight gigabytes rather than binary gigabytes, which messes with stuff.
[01:24] <oerheks> 5% reserved..
[01:26] <oerheks> opening archive now..
[01:27] <oerheks> my i7 kicks in to 4.4 ghrs..
[01:27] <yendor> be right back
[01:32] <oerheks> yendor, oke, archive unpacked, the name of the folder starts with  a .
[01:32] <oerheks> so it is hidden
[01:32] <oerheks> weird way to package..
[01:33] <FurretUber> I'm trying to set the CPU frequency on a AMD Ryzen 7 5800H on Xubuntu 22.04, but the only options I found were the states and something related to the boost, and the only option that changes anything is powersave governor, which limits to 400 MHz the frequency
[01:34] <FurretUber> Setting the boost to 0 doesn't seem to change anything, either
[01:35] <oerheks> why messing with cpu frequency? let the bios handle that.
[01:35] <FurretUber> I'm trying to set frequency that isn't 400 MHz or 4,4 GHz (as the 3,2 GHz without the turbo)
[01:37] <FurretUber> Its fans are getting loud as the temperature reaches 95°C+. It doesn't really throttle, but I would like less noise (and less heat)
[01:38] <oerheks> max temp 105' C .. https://www.amd.com/en/product/10821
[01:39] <oerheks> buy a better cooler.. messing with frequencies, while you want to avoid noise and overheating is in contradiction.
[01:42] <FurretUber> I did a lot of this with Skylake (with my old laptop), the 6100U had a max frequency of 2,3 GHz, I would set 1,1 GHz and use it normally, and I was trying to do the same with this Ryzen
[01:43] <tech10171968> FurretUber: You got a Ryzen? I'm envious, how's it working for you?
[01:44] <FurretUber> I'm glad with the performance, both CPU and integrated GPU were a significant upgrade
[01:45] <tech10171968> FurretUber: Cool, I'm happy with my i5 for now but, looking at the specs, I imagine Ryzen to be a significant performance boost
[02:13] <yendor> oerheks, but if it start with . and i put showhidden files in thunar, i can see it anyways right?
[02:18] <jhutchins> yendor: Get out of the GUI.  That's probably 99% of your problem.
[02:23] <yendor> jhutchins, go back to commands line?
[02:38] <yendor> i will reboot the pc
[02:38] <yendor> laters and thanks!
[03:56] <webchat27> Hi! Can I report a bug here?
[03:57] <Bashing-om> !bug | webchat27
[04:00] <Avago_Broadqual> how the heck does one find the mysql cnf file in ubntu 22.04? I cannot seem to change the datadir using the existing configuration files I had from 20.04
[04:01] <Avago_Broadqual> I had to symlink the /var/lib/mysql directory to where my existing db lives
[04:02] <Avago_Broadqual> Othe way around*
[04:04] <webchat27> Bashing-om thanks!
[04:07] <WaV> Avago_Broadqual: not familiar with how mysql works but "sudo find / | grep -i filename" ?
[04:07] <Avago_Broadqual> I did that, but it looks like its all the usual suspects
[04:07] <Avago_Broadqual> I am scratching my head on this one, as I would expect mysql to look where I tell it to
[04:08] <Avago_Broadqual> the configuration file is /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/mysqld.cnf
[04:08] <Avago_Broadqual> but the data dir is still pulling from default
[04:08] <Avago_Broadqual> default location*
[04:18] <Avago_Broadqual> I firuged it out
[04:18] <Avago_Broadqual> !includedir /etc/mysql/mysql.conf.d/ needed to be added to the /etc/mysql/my.cnf config
[04:35] <yukiup> does the current xubuntu have a hot-corners app?
[04:35] <yukiup> like if i move my mouse to the bottom right corner, it shows the desktop...
[04:39] <Unit193> https://github.com/christopherkobayashi/xfce4-hotcorner-plugin?
[04:40] <yukiup> i tried that on arch and it fails to compile
[04:41] <yukiup> i'm not running ubuntu :/
[04:42] <yukiup> sorry if i'm bugging you guys, because of that
[06:26] <lagunaloire123> just try apt-get source chromium and then apt-get build-dep chromium to see the total shit that the world is in...those greedy bastards and their sse3 requirements....and then no source code from debian or ubuntu to back up the binaries so people can modify them to work with sse2
[06:27] <lagunaloire123> this ubuntu is total shit
[06:27] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire123: Chromium is a snap, that's probably why it didn't work.
[06:28] <lagunaloire123> arraybolt3 i dont' care what you call it...those greedy sons of bitches are compiling the code to require sse3 for any 32 bit version...and if ubuntu doesn't supply the source for the binary so people can fork it to make it more useful to the poor...then ubuntu is violating gnu
[06:29] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire123: https://code.launchpad.net/chromium-browser <-- there's the source :D
[06:29] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire123: Also Ubuntu dropped 32-bit support, not because we didn't like it, but because we didn't have enough testers so that we could ensure that Ubuntu-on-i386 was reliable.
[06:29] <lagunaloire123> arraybolt3...that doesn't work...just try to get all the third_party issues to compile with it
[06:30] <lagunaloire123> arraybolt3...all the testers got screwed because of the damn coders and their shit-ass games trying to force people to buy new hardware when they don't need it
[06:30] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire123: Nothing in the GPL says that someone has to make it easy to build - frankly it's probably way easier to use the source directly from Google, if you want to put yourself through that misery. Anyway this is off-topic for this channel, though it might be a good fit for #ubuntu-discuss.
[06:30] <arraybolt3> !language | lagunaloire123
[06:31] <lagunaloire123> arraybolt3 for more than 25 years the gpl says that if you supply the binary you must also supply the source code with all the thirdparty crap that is required to build it successfull
[06:32] <lagunaloire123> arraybolt3 and that website fails to work for obtaining all the thirdparty issues to compile it
[06:32] <arraybolt3> Still not on-topic for this room. And no, it doesn't say that. Now stop it.
[06:33] <lagunaloire123> arraybolt3 yes it does..it demands it for more than 25 years....from everyone ...no exceptions...that is how a lot of code today came about
[06:33] <arraybolt3> !ops | lagunaloire123 is disrupting the channel *and* spreading misinformation
[06:34] <lagunaloire123> ubottu fuck you...you damn enemy of the poor and gnu
[06:36] <arraybolt3> Unit193: Thank you!
[07:25] <Guest15> hey, is there a way to disable the news on full-upgrade, but only the ones I have already seen?
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> Guest15: the news?
[07:34] <Guest15> when I apt full-upgrade there are news (for example right now about how to turn them off completely)
[07:35] <Guest15> but I only want to turn them off for stuff I have already seen
[07:44] <iomari891> greetings, I have a 32gig swap file with 16gigi memory and "free --giga" show that it's correct. However when I try to hibernate using "sytemctl hibernate" I get "Failed to hibernate system via logind: Not enough swap space for hibernation"
[07:59] <xxy> when start a element-desktop , i get a error like this " libva error: vaGetDriverNameByIndex() failed with unknown libva error, driver_name = (null)" how to fix it , my os is Ubuntu20.04
[09:12] <someone235> Hi, when running `sudo apt upgrade` (or trying to install anything), I get `E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).` But when trying it I get `E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?`. How can I fix this?
[09:13] <ravage> someone235: remove any packages you installed not from the ubuntu archives -> ppa-purge
[09:14] <someone235> ravage: It seems a bit aggressive
[09:14] <someone235> ravage: I can tell you the exact command that got me into trouble: `apt-get -y install libpam0g:i386 libx11-6:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libstdc++5:i386`
[09:14] <someone235> Which uses the ubuntu archives
[09:14] <ravage> which ubuntu version is this? and why do you need 32bit libs?
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> someone235: Unmet dependencies usualy arise when users install external ppa's conflicting with apt, perhaps share your full apt ouput, so volunteers can see whats happening exactly
[09:17] <someone235> ravage: I wanted to install some old VPN software
[09:17] <someone235> lotuspsychje: https://gist.github.com/someone235/e7346a0677877e896840df39dad1bbb2
[09:19] <someone235> lotuspsychje: and then https://gist.github.com/someone235/3d4dff3bc7ed99c710ec4d857b98fabf
[09:20] <ravage> did you try an "apt update" ?
[09:21] <someone235> ravage: yeah, it doesn't help
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | someone235 adviced by ravage
[09:22] <someone235> lotuspsychje: but how is it related, if I installed the problematic packages from Ubuntu archives?
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> someone235: lets have a look at your sources.list ?
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> there were some archive repos problems last week, maybe its a combo of both
[09:23] <ravage> it looks like your mirror may just not have the i386 arch
[09:23] <ravage> try archive.ubuntu.com directly
[09:24] <someone235> lotuspsychje: https://gist.github.com/someone235/742961f8fba5d6f48aa028345b15a017
[09:24] <someone235> ravage: How can I change this?
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> that looks pretty sane
[09:25] <ravage> and it cant be your only file
[09:25] <ravage> it says http in that file. but the 404 comes from https
[09:26] <ravage> so my guess is you have more .list files in /etc/apt/ or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[09:26] <someone235> ravage: Yeah right: `docker.list  google-chrome.list  hashicorp.list  linuxuprising-ubuntu-java-jammy.list  signal-xenial.list`
[09:26] <someone235> But I don't think it's related
[09:27] <ravage> i think it is
[09:27] <someone235> I can purge all of those PPAs, but it seems highly unrelated, so I would prefer to avoid that
[09:27] <someone235> ravage: what's your indication?
[09:28] <someone235> ravage: All of the packages in here https://gist.github.com/someone235/e7346a0677877e896840df39dad1bbb2 seems unrelated to any of those PPAs
[09:29] <someone235> Is there a way to just remove them somehow?
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> someone235: volunteers cant help with external ppa's here, and we can oly say we see often Unmet dependencies as result of ppa's
[09:30] <someone235> lotuspsychje: Is there a way to check if that's really the case? If the dependency is caused by a PPA?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> someone235: what you could doublecheck is using archive.ubuntu.com directly to rule out its about .il as ravage stated
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> someone235: we do have some cases/bugs when unmet dependencys caused by other bugs too, but not too often
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | someone235 see also
[09:34] <ravage> someone235: ls -l /etc/apt/*.list > /tmp/out.txt; ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list >> /tmp/out.txt;cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed '/^[ \t]*#/d' >> /tmp/out.txt;cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*|sed '/^[ \t]*#/d'  >> /tmp/out.txt; cat /tmp/out.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:34] <ravage> run this and paste the URL
[09:37] <someone235> lotuspsychje: looks like changing to archive.ubuntu.com fixed the problem
[09:41] <someone235> lotuspsychje ravage , everything is back to normal now. Thanks for the help
[09:41] <ravage> great :)
[09:46] <ernstp> I have an /var/crash/_usr_lib_xorg_Xorg.1000.crash but I can't create a bug report from it. ubuntu-bug show one window for it but then closes
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> ernstp: crash bugs have another procedure then regular bugs
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> !bug | ernstp
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> ernstp: before filing bugs, we reccomend you to state your issue here in the channel first, maybe volunteers can trace your issue
[12:23] <manwhowouldbekin> Hi all! Somehow my Ubuntu 22.04 system got into this state. Any help or advice is appreciated. https://pastebin.com/xRVysfqx
[12:45] <bluesceada> On one ubuntu 22.04 machine that was updated from 20.04, my bluetooth headphones connect with SBC only, on the other one that was fresh installed, aptx is shown in pavucontrol ... both machines have bluetooth 5.0  (however not identical hardware) and I checked that libfreeaptx0 is installed in both of them
[12:50] <cosmicrajiv> how to upgrade nvidia drivers in ubuntu 22.04.1?
[12:52] <cosmicrajiv> anyone?
[12:55] <SwedeMike> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-install-nvidia-driver-latest-proprietary-driver/
[13:15] <FNAShinobi> I have my UPS connected to my 20.04 machine. I don't seem to have any power statistics in gnome. I see the UPS and it is refreshing, but when I click on the history tab is says "There is no data to display"
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:03] <Blohsh> hello there, im on   Operating System: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS          Kernel: Linux 5.4.0-135-generic
[14:03] <Blohsh> server.
[14:04] <Blohsh> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v6.0.11/
[14:04] <Blohsh> how can i install this?
[14:04] <Blohsh> i can see 6.0.9 for install but not that
[14:30] <jhutchins> Blohsh: What does the 6.x kernel have that you need?
[14:32] <rk1222x> Hi
[14:32] <rk1222x> this shit crazy
[14:33] <rk1222x> im new to hex chat btw
[14:33] <rk1222x> how dis works ?
[14:34] <samy1028b> Hello rk1222x
[14:34] <rk1222x> hii
[14:35] <rk1222x> how this thing works and is this secure ??
[14:35] <jhutchins> rk1222x: Internet Rule One: Nothing you post on the internet is secure.
[14:35] <rk1222x> OH
[14:35] <jhutchins> rk1222x: Basically IRC is discussion forums.
[14:35] <leftyfb> rk1222x: you might try /join #libra to discuss IRC in general or #ubuntu-offtopic for random chat about Ubuntu. This is an Ubuntu support channel
[14:35] <rk1222x> so if i just join this channel is it safe
[14:35] <rk1222x> ohhh
[14:35] <jhutchins> rk1222x: This one focuses on supporting Ubuntu.
[14:35] <rk1222x> ok ok
[14:35] <rk1222x> ohhh nice
[14:36] <rk1222x> in new , soo , yk
[14:36] <oerheks> hint; read the topic
[14:36] <rk1222x> k
[14:36] <jhutchins> rk1222x: Linux-based clients generally do not access any information on your system outside of their own functions.
[14:36] <rk1222x> ah nice
[14:36] <samy1028b> rk1222x: there are thousands of channels (chat rooms), each with their own topic, on this IRC server.
[14:37] <rk1222x> o
[14:37] <jhutchins> Also many other servers and other irc networks.
[14:37] <rk1222x> that's cool
[14:40] <rk1222x> how to leave dis channel ?
[14:44] <JonathanD> ?m..mm.mm./133
[14:44] <leftyfb> JonathanD: ?
[14:47] <RikMills> copy/pasta error I imagine
[14:49] <JonathanD> leftyfb: appologies. Apparently I left some cruft in the buffer :)
[14:53] <mort> what package contains catch2-with-main.pc?
[14:54] <leftyfb> mort: none
[14:54] <mort> wait why
[14:54] <mort> catch2 provides a catch2-with-main.pc, so it has to be included in the ubuntu package
[14:56] <leftyfb> mort: zero package in ubuntu (focal and jammy) contain catch2-with-main.pc
[14:56] <mort> so ubuntu's catch2 package is just broken?
[14:57] <leftyfb> I can't answer that.
[15:15] <mort> it seems like the issue is that ubuntu still packages catch2 v2, and catch2-with-main is a catch3 thing
[15:15] <mort> sorry, a catch2 v3 thing
[16:02] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hi, on 18.04 using QEMU/KVM via virt-manager, but how do I enable 3D acceleration? I try to select Virtio in video and check the 3D acceleration but when I try to launch the VM the virt-manager says "Error starting domain: unsupported configuration: virtio 3d acceleration is not supported" - I'm using Intel HD3000 as my GPU so all open source drivers.
[16:13] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: What's the host running?  Why are you trying to do accelerated video in a VM?
[16:14] <ForeverNoob[m]> Host is running 18.04 - I want to mess around with Compiz and such graphical tools, and AFAIK that requires 3D accel.
[16:15] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: So both are running 18.04?
[16:17] <ForeverNoob[m]> Guest is running 18.04 now too but I might transition to 22.04, but I the error I get is regardless of the guest I choose.
[16:21] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: Except for very limited compatibility, you won't get the full advantages of 22 running within 18.
[16:21] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: I would expect that this would apply specifically to things like direct hardware addressing.
[16:22] <ForeverNoob[m]> Aah, that might explain a lot of things actually.
[16:22] <jhutchins> ForeverNoob[m]: You might consider a dual-boot if there's something about 18 that you need to preserve - or possibly running you 18 instance under a 22 host.
[16:23] <ForeverNoob[m]> Yeah it's not really anything major, it's just that I'm testing out 22.04 in a VM in order to fully transition to it with as little hassle as possible. Compiz is fun, but luckily not essential in my case :)
[17:15] <arnab> hi
[17:15] <arnab> any general chat channel?
[17:16] <leftyfb> arnab: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:16] <arnab> thanks
[17:28] <ssussdriad[m]> Hello. I am hoping this is an appropriate place to ask this.
[17:28] <ssussdriad[m]> I am running PopOs on a lenovo thinkpad p1. I am unable to get a signal to my DUEX external monitor via usb-c. Can someone point me in the direction of a solution? :P
[17:30] <mtn> pop os has it's own support site
[17:30] <mtn> from the topic: | Unofficial derivatives: Use your distro's support channel, not here
[17:32] <jhutchins> ssussdriad[m]: Alternatively, install Ubuntu and see if that works.
 "ssussdriad: Alternatively..." <- I might give it a try at some point. I've been enjoying pop so far
[17:41] <toddc> ssussdriad[m]: make a live ubuntu usb to test  what jhutchins said but not a full install works great for testing  tho full install and updated may yeaild better results
[17:42] <toddc> we have no way to tell what changes poos has made and how it might affect a usbc monitor
[17:42] <toddc> popos
[17:54] <hiya> Are you also facing the similar issue? I have Telegram installed from snap store
[17:54] <hiya> and when I click on the notification - it won't take me to the app to quickly reply to it
[17:54] <hiya> It just does nothing
[17:54] <hiya> Is it same with you? 22.10
[18:14] <Blohsh> "07:30 PM <jhutchins> Blohsh: What does the 6.x kernel have that you need?"  <----- I have a server which i use for testing, like latest kernels packages testing sources etc.. that is why wanted
[18:14] <Guest12> I updated/upgraded my 22.04 systems and got kernel 5.15.0-56(up from <IP_ADDRESS>). Unfortunately, http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/ does not contain any dbgsyms for 5.15.0-56. Is there a new protocol?
[19:05] <bluesceada> hiya, i have inconsistent experiences with all snaps, unfortunately
[19:05] <bluesceada> something is always off, even in ubuntu 22.04
[19:14] <bluesceada> hiya, speaking about telegram, the snap got entirely broken for me,  .... /snap/telegram-desktop/4353/usr/bin/telegram-desktop: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libbrotlidec.so.1)
[19:14] <leftyfb> bluesceada: sudo snap refresh telegram-desktop --channel=latest/stable
[19:15] <bluesceada> leftyfb, snap "telegram-desktop" has no updates available
[19:15] <bluesceada> if only the packages through apt would be more updated ....
[19:16] <bluesceada> leftyfb, any other idea? I already removed and installed it again
[19:27] <bluesceada> :'(
[19:28] <iomari891> is kernel 6 safe to install on 22.10?
[19:32] <bluesceada> iomari891, there is always a risk in running a newer less-tested kernel. However for very recent hardware it might be safer than the very old "stable" kernel.
[19:47] <nteodosio> bluesceada, can you pastebin: snap run --strace telegram-desktop
[19:56] <bluesceada> hm yeah
[20:01] <bluesceada> if anyone else wants to see it, since nteodosio quit: https://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?26d65414cbfa5186#9PPvhmhbCTf7WUgZUkKAWCf8WiURCqoPGCaarPZRFm6d
[20:05] <oerheks> bluesceada, see leftyfb advise, reinstall the snap with --channel=latest/stable
[20:05] <oerheks> that might give a newer version
[20:06] <bluesceada> oerheks, I did so!
[20:07] <bluesceada> I get " snap "telegram-desktop" has no updates available"
[20:07] <bluesceada> i also uninstalled and reinstalled it entirely using snap remove and snap install
[20:08] <diceLibrarian> oh yeah, used to get that all the time with libc6
[20:08] <bluesceada> I also had it before, back then it solved itself "magically"
[20:08] <oerheks> poorly written snap .. contact the maintainer? https://snapcraft.io/telegram-desktop
[20:09] <bluesceada> :/ if i wouldnt be busy .... yeah let's see
[20:25] <bluesceada> oerheks, i RESTARTED and it works now. I remember having this before
[20:25] <bluesceada> this is so ugly, it's a Windows 98 flashback were installing new programs might even require a reboot
[20:26] <bluesceada> worst of all, now I get a huge cursor inside telegram, this is super ugly. When the cursor moves over the telegram window, it gets different and bigger
[20:28] <sarnold> bluesceada: take a look at "End users can also choose their own themes" on https://snapcraft.io/blog/how-to-ensure-your-snap-uses-the-correct-theme -- you might be able to do something about the ugly mouse pointers, etc
[20:29] <bluesceada> thanks
[20:33] <rapha> hi all! does anyone know a software that can be used to make text comments on PDFs (klick on a location on the page, make your comment there) and then export a text-based format (could be XML, JSON, whatever) of your comments including x,y coordinates, page number, PDF-text on that line (if any) and comment text?
[20:34] <bluesceada> rapha, sounds weird, what are you trying to achieve? I think "xournalpp" has an annotation-type format that is saved separately from the pdf file it annotates
[20:39] <rapha> bluesceada: let's say I'm going through a scholarly work on Shakespeare. Let's say I'm on page 9. Let's say for each character that appears I make a comment "person: Romeo" and for each work that appears I make a comment like "work: Romeo and Juliet" and for each topic that appears one like "topic: forbidden love". Also, I mark each chapter/section/subsection heading in some way. Then, given the
[20:39] <rapha> page numbers, all those comments and their x/y coordinates, I'm able to transform this visual representation into a fully textual one and run various kinds of NLP on it. The twist is that it's not written text and it's not Shakespeare. It's old Arabic manuscripts.
[20:39] <bluesceada> rapha, i just tested it, it creates .xopp files, you can unzip them with gzip and get an XML file. :-)
[20:39] <rapha> Aha, wonderful! Thank you bluesceada!
[20:40] <bluesceada> It might be a bit annoying since you have to zip/unzip
[20:40] <bluesceada> and gzip recently seems to have become stubborn, so you need to change the .xopp to .gz
[20:41] <rapha> No matter bluesceada, Python has a native gzip library
[20:41] <bluesceada> yeah depends on your usecase, then perfect, good luck/have fun with it
[20:42] <sarnold> bluesceada: gzip or the bash tab completion?
[20:42] <sarnold> I often miss the old bash tab-completes-filenames support :(
[20:42] <bluesceada> sarnold, gzip ,.... gzip: Downloads/Program.pdf_anno.xopp: unknown suffix -- ignored
[20:43] <bluesceada> I can't remember that this was the case before, it would just extract anything if it is a gzip file
[20:44] <sarnold> bluesceada: argh :(
[20:47] <bluesceada> lol something is really wrong with my system, now ubuntu software doesn't launch anymore (wanted to check snap permissions), i don't know it's command to test it on the shell -.-
[20:49] <bluesceada> sarnold, I think the problem isn't the snap after all, it is that KDE doesn't follow the ubuntu/gnome3 theme, also some kde apps have an ugly large cursor
[20:50] <sarnold> bluesceada: ah that's possible
[20:50] <bluesceada> I wonder why there is still no default solution to that
[20:50] <bluesceada> each install i need to tinker a lot and then it works only halfway
[20:51] <bluesceada> kde and gnome devs just seem to hate each other
[20:55] <bluesceada> ah i found that in update-alternatives: * 0            /etc/X11/cursors/breeze_cursors.theme     102       auto mode
[20:56] <bluesceada> probably that happens by accident when installing some kde packages
[21:00] <bluesceada> apparently that really does the trick, but I can't find the correct default ubuntu cursors among those I can choose....
[21:05] <bluesceada> misconfiguration in my homedir, a new user's apps follow the gnome3 theme it seems ....
[21:08] <rapha> bluesceada: fun fact, 7zip under Windows just unpacked it without complaint, even being named .xopp.
[21:08] <bluesceada> then use 7z also in ubuntu I guess
[21:08] <rapha> The XML is very nice and parseable.
[21:09] <bluesceada> probably also works fine in git then
[21:09] <rapha> or just cp blah.xopp blah.gz && gunzip blah.gz, no?
[21:11] <whysix_> Afternoon folks.
[21:12] <whysix_> Is there any way to disable cloud-init on initial boot? Seems to be stuck and I just want to provision this manually over KVM
[21:12] <whysix_> its the 22.04 LTS release
[21:32] <duxsco> does an "apt install <filename>.deb" also verify the .deb signature?
[22:09] <marcopolo1_> Everytime i try to do something theres always an error that will happen
[22:09] <marcopolo1_> It isnt like that on windows
[22:12] <leftyfb> marcopolo1_: if you want help, you're going to need to be way more specific. State what version of ubuntu you're on, the kernel you're running, what issue you're having and a pastebin or screenshot of any error messages
[22:23] <s__> hwy
[22:29] <aberrant> hi all.
[22:29] <aberrant> I've disabled ipv6 via sysctl, but things like sshd are still listening on v6 interfaces. Why, and how do I stop this?
[22:30] <archer> did you stop disable ssh service?
[22:30] <leftyfb> aberrant: https://ping.flenny.net/2016/disable-ssh-connections-over-ipv6/
[22:31] <aberrant> tcp6       0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN      1/init
[22:31] <aberrant> I edited sshd_config to only use `inet`
[22:31] <leftyfb> aberrant: set the above and restart ssh
[22:32] <aberrant> will try it
[22:32] <aberrant> but
[22:32] <aberrant> # Port and ListenAddress options are not used when sshd is socket-activated,
[22:32] <aberrant> # which is now the default in Ubuntu.
[22:33] <leftyfb> aberrant: set the above and restart ssh
[22:33] <aberrant> nope, still listening on tcp6
[22:33] <aberrant> there is no v6 interface anywhere, so I don't understand how it's even listening on v6.
[22:33] <leftyfb> aberrant: sudo grep Listen /etc/ssh/sshd_config | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:35] <marcopolo1_> Do you guys know why i cant boot windows?
[22:35] <marcopolo1_> I have a usb with a windows iso but when i select it it just goes back to bios
[22:35] <leftyfb> marcopolo1_: try #windows
[22:35] <Jeremy31> No
[22:35] <leftyfb> marcopolo1_: we cannot support Windows here
[22:36] <aberrant> leftyb:
[22:36] <aberrant> +seth@red:/etc/systemd/system/ssh.service.d $ grep Listen /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[22:36] <aberrant> # Port and ListenAddress options are not used when sshd is socket-activated,
[22:36] <aberrant> ListenAddress <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:36] <aberrant> #ListenAddress ::
[22:36] <leftyfb> !paste | aberrant
[22:36] <Jeremy31> marcopolo1_: The Ubuntu USB writing tool can't write Windows ISO's properly
[22:36] <leftyfb> aberrant: please follow instructions and do not attempt to modify commands given
[22:36] <marcopolo1_> Idk i used dd
[22:36] <archer> etcher can write it properly marcopolo1_
[22:37] <marcopolo1_> Etcher wont open for me
[22:37] <aberrant> leftyfb: I don't need sudo and nc isn't installed on this system.
[22:37] <Jeremy31> Ventoy?
[22:37] <archer> marcopolo1_, hit the google up on how to properly install it, give it another shot
[22:37] <marcopolo1_> Install what
[22:37] <archer> etcher
[22:38] <marcopolo1_> Its not hard to install
[22:38] <marcopolo1_> You just press one button
[22:38] <marcopolo1_> It just doesnt want to open
[22:38] <marcopolo1_> It opens but there is no gui
[22:38] <marcopolo1_> Ill try ventoy
[22:38] <oerheks> nc isn't installed on this system... then you run no ubuntu ..
[22:38] <aberrant> oerheks: I do run ubuntu. nc was removed.
[22:39] <leftyfb> aberrant: then you're not running a supported version of Ubuntu. All versions of Ubuntu install netcat-openbsd as part of ubuntu-minimal
[22:39] <leftyfb> why would you do that?
[22:39] <aberrant> leftyfb: because this is an appliance that has no need for netcat.
[22:40] <leftyfb> aberrant: so you removed a troueblshooting tool that's 39kb in size and does not run in the background?
[22:40] <aberrant> I'm trying to strip it down even more because there's no reason sshd should be binding to a v6 address.
[22:40] <aberrant> leftyfb: yes.
[22:40] <leftyfb> aberrant: restart the ssh service
[22:40] <leftyfb> if you enabled Listen for ipv6 and did not enable ipv6, then it will not listen on ipv6
[22:41] <aberrant> I've done `systemctl restart ssh` - should I do something else?
[22:41] <leftyfb> use sudo
[22:41] <aberrant> yes, that was with sudo
[22:41] <leftyfb> sudo lsof -i :22
[22:41] <leftyfb> please pastebin that
[22:41] <oerheks> let me guess; this is in a vm ?
[22:42] <aberrant> oerheks: not a vm.
[22:42] <aberrant> leftyfb: first line is systemd     1 root  104u  IPv6  15149      0t0  TCP *:ssh (LISTEN)
[22:42] <aberrant> I'll pastebin the rest. one sec.
[22:43] <aberrant> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/1P2hfMyw
[22:44] <aberrant> this makes no sense. I am not ssh'ed in via v6.
[22:44] <leftyfb> aberrant: anything of note in /etc/default/ssh ?
[22:44] <leftyfb> aberrant: you have something going on that is non-standard
[22:45] <aberrant> `w` shows me in via v4.
[22:45] <aberrant> nothing of note in /etc/default/ssh
[22:46] <aberrant> let me check another system.
[22:46] <leftyfb> oh, hold on. You're running 22.10 aren't you?
[22:46] <bluesceada> I couldn't find the real cause of my issue, but three things together "fix" it: XCURSOR_SIZE=24 and QT_QPA_PLATFORM='xcb;wayland' in ~/.profile and a new file (and even those dirs didn't exist for me) .icons/default/index.theme with [Icon Theme]
[22:46] <bluesceada> Inherits=Yaru,Adwaita,hicolor
[22:46] <bluesceada> (just for the record if somebody was passively reading here)
[22:47] <aberrant> leftyfb: I am.
[22:47] <aberrant> leftyfb: DISTRIB_RELEASE=22.10
[22:47] <leftyfb> yeah, I am seeing the same thing on a 22.10 container I just spun up. This is different in 22.10 compared to all previous releases
[22:47] <aberrant> PHEW.
[22:48] <aberrant> because I thought I was going crazy - I didn't see this before.
[22:48] <leftyfb> aberrant: btw, why run a non-LTS on an appliance?
[22:48] <aberrant> leftyfb: it's a prototype.
[22:49] <aberrant> leftyfb: just for research right now.
[22:49] <aberrant> (stripped-down ubuntu on an RPi)
[22:49] <aberrant> I'm seeing this on my AMD 22.10 system also
[22:50] <leftyfb> looks like it's an openssh 0.9 thing
[22:51] <bluesceada> aberrant, for something super minimal you might prefer something like alpine instead of ubuntu, no?
[22:51] <leftyfb> bluesceada: lets not
[22:51] <bluesceada> ok sorry *hides*
[22:52] <aberrant> trying to get alpine running reliably on an RPi was a challenge. It worked but it took way too much effort compared to Ubuntu.
[22:52] <leftyfb> aberrant: unfortunately, my quick googling hasn't turned anything up. I need to step away for a bit. But at least you know where to start looking. openssh 0.9 changed the use of Listen
[22:53] <aberrant> yup. Thanks for that. I'll do some more digging.
[22:53] <aberrant> as long as there's no access via v6, I'm ok with incorrect output :)
[22:55] <aberrant> leftyfb: you mean openssh 9.0, right?
[23:02] <marcopolo1_> So how do you use ventoy
[23:05] <Jeremy31> https://linuxopsys.com/topics/how-to-install-ventoy-on-ubuntu
[23:29] <bluesceada> aberrant, you could also disable ipv6 on the kernel level somehow?
[23:32] <bluesceada> or .. sysctl .... sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
[23:32] <leftyfb> aberrant: found it https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/sshd-now-uses-socket-based-activation-ubuntu-22-10-and-later/30189
[23:32] <Jeremy31> It can be disabled in grub also
[23:32] <bluesceada> ah wait that was your start ... sorry just read everything now
[23:33] <leftyfb> disabling ipv6 in the kernel/grub(same thing btw) won't matter with this particular issue (openssh listening on ipv6)
[23:37] <leftyfb> aberrant: you can disable this new behavior with systemctl disable --now ssh.socket
[23:42] <leftyfb> this one is really tricky
[23:42] <leftyfb> I can disable ssh.socket but can't for the life of me figure out how to disable listening on ipv6
[23:42] <leftyfb> it might need to be at the systemd level
[23:47] <sarnold> leftyfb: check the service file, I think I've seen new sshd options tacked on the end of the command line htere, before
[23:48] <leftyfb> sarnold: I can only find ListenStream which is for the port
[23:48] <sarnold> aha :/
[23:49] <leftyfb> sarnold: it's really frustrated when changes like this get implemented but aren't feature parity with the previous methods ... or lack the documentation
[23:49] <leftyfb> technically it's not an ubuntu issue but moreso openssh 9.x
[23:50] <sarnold> leftyfb: I'm not sure which parts are due to our switch to socket-activation vs which parts are common with openssh..
[23:51] <leftyfb> sarnold: true, but openssh did a poor job of documenting this
[23:52] <leftyfb> changelog != documentation
[23:53] <sarnold> *nod*
[23:53] <leftyfb> I do like the idea of socket activated. But not if you have less control over it's configuration