[06:32] <mup> Bug #1891434 opened: external authentication failed when fullname is too long <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891434>
[09:02] <mup> Bug #1891452 opened: Error: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_raw', while Machines listing in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1891452>


[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Safety Pin Day! :-D
[13:55] <artifex93> Guys, I received an email saying that the UbuntuOne service is being discontinued. Is this true?
[14:01] <dobey> the file sync service is, yes
[14:07] <artifex93> Oh ok, too bad. Thanks for your info.
[14:09] <dobey> artifex93: there is a blog post about it as well
[14:20] <artifex93> Yeah, I found it. Anyway, I just wanted to say I enjoyed using the service while it lasted.
[14:22] <dobey> well it's only the file sync related services going offline
[14:22] <dobey> SSO, u1db, etc… will still be around
[14:25] <artifex93> Yes of course, I was referring to the backup service
[17:45] <tbarat> is it possible that the servers switched off?
[17:48] <dobey> no
[17:49] <tbarat> dobey, WARNING: HTTP/1.1 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR
[17:50] <dobey> yes, there is some connectivity issue being looked at. several ubuntu services were affected, including launchpad, u1, and sso
[17:53] <tbarat>  I see, so it is a global ubuntu problem and not affected to U1 closing?
[17:54] <dobey> yes
[17:54] <tbarat> dobey, thanks!
[17:55] <tbarat> perhaps, do you know when will it solve?
[17:55] <dobey> soon
[17:55] <dobey> ops are working on it


[00:45] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: thanks i think it worked
[00:59] <vorian> mneptok: that's fine with me
[02:13] <mneptok> gnomefreak: what is bzr doing to/at/adjoining you?
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> irssi does not handle /away well with bip when you connect multiple clients...
[04:00] <eboyjr> The quizbuntu bot has a glitch... if an anser has 5 letters, and you type !hint, !hint has 5 letters so it counts it
[04:01] <tonyyarusso> ryanakca: ^^  (that's still yours, no?)
[04:02] <elkbuntu> as in 'so it counts it' is displayed by the bot?
[04:03] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: No, as in it thinks you've made your guess, and you're therefore prevented from making another.
[04:03] <mneptok> elkbuntu: it counts as an aswer
[04:03] <elkbuntu> oh
[04:03] <eboyjr>  Duh!! You really want me to ignore yah eboyjr?
[04:04] <eboyjr> is what is says after !hint and the right answer
[04:04] <elkbuntu> :(
[04:35] <elkbuntu> um, doesnt ubottu need voice in -proxy-users? for the factoids the channel tells people to check?
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> yes
[04:39] <elkbuntu> he's set
[04:39] <elkbuntu> i only just noticed
[05:06] <emma> notice user jose there..
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> uh, what was that?
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> ah, I see.  Neglected to give the full nick.
[05:08] <tonyyarusso> (quit)
[06:17] <Myrtti> wth
[08:33] <jussi01> Morning all
[08:35] <Myrtti> jussi01: you're wanted at -irc :->
[08:37] <jussi01> Myrtti: I saw... havent got time to deal with it now
[08:38] <Myrtti> okies
[08:54] <elkbuntu> i'm trying to figure if this guy in -offtopic is a $non_accusatory_thing_that_means_the_same_as_troll
[08:55] <ikonia> could use someone in #ubuntu please
[08:55] <ikonia> student is trying to break password / cracking help
[08:55] <ikonia> totally fibbing
[08:55] <elkbuntu> looking
[08:55] <ikonia> ta
[08:56] <ikonia> may want to do a quick last
[08:57] <ikonia> just to get perspective as it looks quite innocent as a simple question
[08:57] <elkbuntu> i dont use irssi
[08:59] <ikonia> gone anyway
[08:59] <Myrtti> well handled
[08:59] <elkbuntu> yeah
[08:59] <elkbuntu> i would have gotten in trouble for removing him, no doubt.
[08:59] <bazhang> hehe
[09:42] <elkbuntu> "Hello, Unregistered you are browsing the ARCHIVE section at Ubuntu Forums. You are able to reply/post to threads that are ALREADY created, however you cannot create NEW threads in the archive."
[09:42] <elkbuntu> cute...
[09:43] <wgrant> elkbuntu: I like the LOVELY caps which aren't even on CONSISTENT parts of SPEECH.
[09:43] <elkbuntu> it's just great ISNT it
[09:44] <elkbuntu> at least it's on whOLE WORds
[09:45] <bazhang> heHe
[09:54] <bazhang> wicks quit message is less than family friendly
[09:56] <elkbuntu> where?
[09:56] <bazhang> main channel
[09:57] <elkbuntu> finally found it. i need to tweak my colours
[09:57]  * wgrant paints elkbuntu purple.
[09:57] <elkbuntu> that one is better than the 'by queer' one that bitchx iirc has
[09:57] <bazhang> urg
[09:57] <elkbuntu> yep
[09:57] <elkbuntu> but bitchx is urg anyway
[09:58] <wgrant> Can we convince Freenode to use the vulnerability in BitchX to remove BitchX? Probably not.
[10:03]  * gnomefreak was sad to see it go from archives
[10:05] <wgrant> gnomefreak: Why??
[10:05] <wgrant> It's an insecure piece of $non_offense.
[10:05] <gnomefreak> i used to use it and still did sometime if i didnt feel like using irssi
[10:06] <gnomefreak> i didnt know about the insecurities at the time
[10:30] <Myrtti> !dvd
[11:43] <ryanakca> tonyyarusso: yes, thanks, I'll look into it
[11:44] <ryanakca> tonyyarusso: not entirely sure what he means, but I'm sure it can be figured out :)
[12:07] <PriceChild> jussi01: your forums permissions should be fixed, can you check for me?
[12:29] <Myrtti> @login
[12:29] <Myrtti> !pulse is <reply> foo
[12:29] <Myrtti> !pulse
[12:29] <Myrtti> ehr
[12:29] <Myrtti> LOL
[12:30] <Myrtti> !no pulse is <alias> pulseaudio
[12:30] <Myrtti> !pulse
[12:31] <Myrtti> !-pulse
[12:31] <Myrtti> !-pulseaudio
[12:31] <Myrtti> WTH
[12:31] <stdin> couldn't add the <alias> for some reason, so gave up
[12:32] <stdin> !no pulse is <alias> pulseaudio
[12:32] <Myrtti> stdin: there's something wwwwwwrong with ubotu, you have to give it foo first
[12:32] <Myrtti> then it can add an alias
[12:32] <stdin> Myrtti: I know, I'm trying to fix it, but it's an odd one
[12:33] <Myrtti> well, atleast we know how to circumvent it
[12:34] <stdin> do you like the - last edited by ... part? ;)
[12:34] <Pici> stdin: Could it be part of the tweaks? I've not seen it do that in other Encyclopedia configs
[12:34] <stdin> Pici: I haven't really toughed that part of the plugin, and it was happening before I started changing the code with ubottu
[12:35] <Pici> stdin: weird
[12:35] <stdin> yep
[12:35] <Myrtti> !-pulseaudio
[12:35] <Myrtti> !-pulse
[12:35] <Myrtti> this goes weirder by the minute
[12:36]  * stdin grabs a mallet and heads in ubottu's direction
[12:36] <stdin> time to whack
[12:36] <stdin> er, hack ;)
[12:43]  * Hobbsee rofl's.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> [21:37] <wgrant> 19:05:31> It's an insecure piece of $non_offense.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> so this is how we now refer to things.  got it.
[12:45] <Myrtti> lollercoaster
[12:47] <PriceChild> adding before alias was a bug on the original ubotu too
[12:47] <Pici> Yeesh, trying to replicate Chanserv.py's ban searching is going to be tougher than I thought.
[12:49] <Myrtti> to irssi?
[12:49] <Pici> Yes
[12:49] <Myrtti> Pici: I LOVE YOU
[12:49] <Myrtti> Let's get married
[12:49] <Pici> \o\
[12:49] <Pici> /o/
[12:51] <Seeker`> \o\
[12:52] <Pici> xchat.EAT_ALL
[12:52] <Pici> I dont know what that is
[12:52] <Pici> It makes me kinda hungry and confused
[13:20] <stdin> I think that just tells xchat to process it, when it's not a chanserv.py command
[13:20]  * stdin thinks anyway
[13:20] <Pici> Ah
[13:24] <jussi01> PriceChild: yes, its fine :)
[13:24]  * stdin thinks he's fixed <alias> too
[13:26] <stdin> jussi01: reload :)
[13:27] <jussi01> @reload Encyclopedia
[13:27] <jussi01> stdin: how do I give you access to do that?
[13:27] <Myrtti> !myrtti
[13:27] <stdin> jussi01: I'd have to have owner capabilities
[13:28] <Myrtti> !women
[13:28] <Myrtti> aaaaannnnd it does...
[13:28] <Myrtti> nothing
[13:28] <Pici> !women
[13:28] <Pici> hm
[13:28] <Myrtti> /me kicks ubottu
[13:28] <stdin> ok, hold on...
[13:28] <Pici> It told me in pm a moment ago
[13:29] <Myrtti> !myrtti
[13:29] <Myrtti> !pulse
[13:29] <Myrtti> !bot
[13:29] <Myrtti> YOUVE BROKEN IT
[13:29] <Myrtti> /me kicks stdin
[13:32] <stdin> !test
[13:32] <jussi01> !test
[13:32] <Pici> !test
[13:32] <stdin> hmm
[13:33] <jussi01> !test
[13:33] <stdin> backups ftw!
[13:36] <elkbuntu> !myrtti
[13:36] <elkbuntu> :(
[13:36] <elkbuntu> !elkbuntu
[13:36] <elkbuntu> :D
[13:36] <stdin> now, I just need to find out why it worked for my but bot not for ubottu :/
[13:37] <Myrtti> whut
[13:38] <stdin> with my bot, '!something is <alias> something else' works, but ubottu does the python equivalent of segfault
[13:39] <jussi01> Hrm, were we not eliminating all the personal factoids?
[13:41] <Pici> no?
[13:41] <Pici> Some of them are restricted to -offtopic
[13:41] <Pici> !wurst
[13:42] <Pici> !wurst-#ubuntu-offtopic
[13:42] <Pici> !worst-#ubuntu-offtopic
[13:42] <Pici> !-worst
[13:44] <Myrtti> !-rtfm
[13:45] <Myrtti> !-noob
[13:45] <Myrtti> !myrtti is <alias> noob
[13:45] <Myrtti> !myrtti
[13:45] <Pici> noo
[13:45] <Myrtti> !noob
[13:46] <Pici> !myrtti is honored that I'm reading her blog
[13:46] <Myrtti> !myrtti is <alias> noob
[13:46] <Myrtti> !myrtti
[13:46] <Pici> Myrtti: its !no Myrtti is <alias> something else
[13:46] <Myrtti> !no myrtti is <alias> noob
[13:47] <Myrtti> !myrtti
[13:47] <Myrtti> just as you said it, I remembered it
[13:53] <Myrtti> EXCUSE ME WHILE I CURSE
[13:53] <Myrtti> FUCK
[13:53] <Myrtti> my laptop just fell on the floor
[13:53] <Myrtti> gave me a good scary experience
[13:57] <Seeker`> Myrtti: is it ok?
[13:57] <Myrtti> since I'm using it to type this...
[13:58] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: you cannot curse like that in channel.  You must use a non-offensive form.  It would be suggested that you use something like lorium ipsum text, and change the cases of things to show  your mnood.
[13:58] <Hobbsee> -n
[13:58] <Myrtti> I know
[13:58] <Pici> LOREM IPSUM!>!?
[13:58] <Pici> :P
[13:59] <Hobbsee> 'xactly.
[13:59] <Seeker`> I'll lorem your ipsum
[13:59] <Pici> :O
[13:59] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: you could also (ab)use the CoC for that, or something.  after all, it's just text.
[13:59]  * Hobbsee hides her ipsum
[13:59] <Myrtti> then again, IRL there was three 13-y-o's present and I said the v-word (the finnish f-word) multiple times over than I said it here
[14:00] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: this is a channel where you must be perfect, though.  NO EXCUSES!
[14:00] <Myrtti> I just got this laptop at hardy release party >___<
[14:00] <Myrtti> Hobbsee: I'm sowwy
[14:00] <Myrtti> (ö_____ö)
[14:00] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: you'll need to say that somewhere where it sticks around forever, publically, otherwise multiple people may hold it against you, forever, indefinetly.
[14:00] <Pici> Why the long face?
[14:01] <Hobbsee> Myrtti: tis the ubuntu way, apparently.
[14:01] <Seeker`> Hobbsee: Isn't that here, in the logs?
[14:01]  * Pici pats Seeker`
[14:01] <Myrtti> Pici: it's not a long face, it's an ascii "big eyes with long lashes, face trying to look cute"
[14:02] <Myrtti> puppy eyes, if you will
[14:02] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: only if people actually look at it.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> Seeker`: and you can be sure that those who will use it against people won't look up the logs, nor will they quote the apology.
[14:33] <Pici> jeez, no need for everyone to come running
[14:33] <Myrtti> I don't have the op powah :-(
[14:33] <Pici> Aye, neither do I
[14:34] <Myrtti> I could come in and lart them to kingdom come though?
[14:36] <bazhang> may we help you prateekjain
[14:36] <PriceChild> bazhang: #kubuntu just
[14:37] <prateekjain> bazhang: what happened to kubuntu channel
[14:37] <prateekjain> yes
[14:37] <prateekjain> see i have a nTFS parttion
[14:38] <prateekjain> and there are some folders whose owner is ROOT..i wanna chage it to prateek
[14:38] <prateekjain> how?
[14:38] <prateekjain> actually all folders are root
[14:38] <prateekjain> woner
[14:38] <PriceChild> prateekjain: This channel is not for support.
[14:38] <Myrtti> I wish I had #kubuntu logs
[14:38] <prateekjain> PriceChild: ok
[14:39] <stdin> Myrtti: bt is up
[14:39] <jdavies> prateekjain: so what's "< ~prateekjain> hindi hamari rashtrabhasha hia..in goro ko kya pata"?
[14:39] <Myrtti> it is?
[14:39] <Myrtti> jolly good
[14:39] <stdin> Myrtti: has been for a couple days now
[14:39] <prateekjain> jdavies: i means i love my mothertounge
[14:39] <Pici> prateekjain: Tell me about offtopic conversations in #kubuntu
[14:39] <jdavies> !english | prateekjain
[14:39] <prateekjain> ok
[14:40] <prateekjain> see i want to tell one thing to all u friends
[14:40] <prateekjain> see as soon as i break a law
[14:40] <prateekjain> i get warnings from all over the place
[14:40] <prateekjain> but when i ask a query,,i am shown the door
[14:41] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ prateekjain  please read this thanks
[14:41] <prateekjain> i mean i dont get answer..though i should thank eagles and scorpoin
[14:41] <prateekjain> i dont think i have broken any conduct
[14:41] <prateekjain> bazhang: plz help me
[14:42] <Myrtti> let me explain why all the main channels are english only
[14:42] <Myrtti> for one, if we'd all speak our native languages there, there would be too much traffic. That's why there's channel for each loco and each language
[14:43] <Myrtti> and you can freely use hindi, arabic, finnish, you name it, in a one dedicated to it
[14:43] <prateekjain> Myrtti: i dont have any prob with eng
[14:43] <prateekjain> i ahve a prob WITH MY kubuntu
[14:43] <prateekjain> HELP
[14:43] <Pici> prateekjain: Answers are not always available, you need to be patient.
[14:43] <Hobbsee> prateekjain: if the topic is in english, and other people speak in english in the channel, then you should probably speak english.  If you can't, or prefer not to, the suggested alternative is to find a support place in your language of choice - not to try to change the language of an existing channel.
[14:43] <bazhang> prateekjain, you need to read that coc and take it to heart; please become a valued member of this community thanks
[14:43] <Myrtti> for the second, we've got strict rules about the conduct that we expect every user to have
[14:44]  * Pici quiets up, thinks too many people are talking
[14:44] <Hobbsee> bazhang: do you honestly think he'd undersatnd that, if he seems not to understand that this is a support channel?
[14:44] <prateekjain> bazhang: hey
[14:44] <prateekjain> i got it
[14:44] <Myrtti> if you speak a language we don't understand, we assume the wors
[14:44] <prateekjain> sorry
[14:44] <Myrtti> t
[14:44] <prateekjain> my fault
[14:44] <bazhang> okay Hobbsee
[14:45] <Hobbsee> bazhang: i'm sure there's a better way of putting it, but the point still stands :)
[14:45] <Myrtti> you were asked, I believe, not to speak hindi in #kubuntu, n'est pas, prateekjain?
[14:45] <prateekjain> bazhang: the #kubuntu channel is not working and this channel opened so i came here...i a am sorry
[14:45] <Pici> Myrtti: The first issue was offtopic conversation actually.
[14:45] <prateekjain> Myrtti; so i stopped it
[14:45] <Myrtti> so, here we are then
[14:45] <prateekjain> Pici: how do i gain access there
[14:46] <prateekjain> oh i cant ask questions here since its not as support channel..
[14:46] <Pici> prateekjain: You were muted because you insisted on continuing an offtopic (and non english) conversation even after multiple warnings.
[14:46] <prateekjain> Pici: oh.
[14:46] <prateekjain> well
[14:46] <prateekjain> how can i be unmuted
[14:46] <Myrtti> so you need to show us that you understand the rules
[14:47] <Myrtti> that there's a place for offtopic discussion, and a place for discussion in hindi
[14:47] <prateekjain> Myrtti: and how can i show you i understand and respect the rules
[14:47] <Myrtti> and neither is #kubuntu
[14:47] <prateekjain> OK!
[14:47] <prateekjain> i wont speak hindi or offtopic again
[14:48] <prateekjain> Myrtti: thats not cool..seriously
[14:48] <Myrtti> goaah, I hate these brightlite whatever laptop screen
[14:49] <Myrtti> I'm typing blindly, can't see a thing
[14:49] <Pici> prateekjain: Well, those are the rules, so you can either respect them, or go elsewhere for support, its your choice.
[14:49] <bazhang> prateekjain, your tone will only prolong this
[14:49] <prateekjain> Pici: i said before...i respect them
[14:50] <Myrtti> !guidelines | prateekjain
[14:50] <prateekjain> what should i do to be unmuted
[14:50] <Myrtti> please read that
[14:50] <prateekjain> i read them
[14:50] <prateekjain> ok
[14:50] <Myrtti> /me thinks we need a quiz module with pop quiz about the irc guidelines
[14:51] <Myrtti> :->
[14:51] <prateekjain> ok
[14:51] <prateekjain> i read them thanks
[14:51] <prateekjain> red
[14:51] <prateekjain> ubottu: u r a bot?
[14:51] <prateekjain> ubottu: u are alive?
[14:52] <Myrtti> prateekjain: yes, she is a bot
[14:52] <PriceChild> prateekjain: it is a bot
[14:52] <prateekjain> ok
[14:52] <PriceChild> sorry, she
[14:52] <prateekjain> wow
[14:52] <prateekjain> how how do they make it
[14:52] <PriceChild> hamsters
[14:52] <Hobbsee> magic
[14:52] <PriceChild> magic hamsters
[14:52] <Hobbsee> very
[14:52] <prateekjain> how..java
[14:52] <prateekjain> or c
[14:52] <Myrtti> python
[14:52] <stdin> and pixie dust
[14:53] <Myrtti> eggdrops are tcl
[14:53] <prateekjain> they add thousands of IF THEN ELSE
[14:53] <prateekjain> if query='how to install ubuntu'
[14:53] <prateekjain> then {'get a cd')
[14:53] <prateekjain> like this
[14:53] <Myrtti> so, if someone with an oppage at #kubuntu would say the final word
[14:54] <Myrtti> since I'm still typing blindly and i don't have oppage there
[14:54] <prateekjain> Myrtti: i dont understand the meaning of oppage
[14:54] <prateekjain> Myrtti: u cant see!
[14:54] <Myrtti> prateekjain: you don't need to
[14:54] <PriceChild> jdavies: still around?
[14:54] <Myrtti> prateekjain: very badly
[14:54] <Pici> prateekjain: It means that she cannot remove the mute
[14:55] <prateekjain> Pici: but why
[14:55] <PriceChild> prateekjain: I'm not sure it was mentioned before, but #kubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic are the general chatter channels. Please keep the others primarily on support. :)
[14:55] <prateekjain> i have read the guidlines
[14:55] <Pici> prateekjain: Because she was is not as all powerful as we all think she is
[14:55] <PriceChild> prateekjain: the mute is removed
[14:55] <prateekjain> i am not chatting offtopic or non-english now
[14:55] <jdavies> PriceChild: yeah
[14:55] <prateekjain> oh thanks
[14:56] <prateekjain> <deep breath>
[14:56] <PriceChild> jdavies: I removed the mute, thought you'd disappeared and hope its ok :)
[14:56] <Myrtti> I'm not omnipotent ;___;
[14:56] <jdavies> PriceChild: sure thing :)
[14:56] <prateekjain> after all this can you tel me how can i PM ppl here
[14:56] <PriceChild> prateekjain: /msg nickname message
[14:56] <prateekjain> so that others are never disturbed
[14:56] <Myrtti> !register
[14:57] <prateekjain> ubottu: I like you bot
[14:57] <PriceChild> prateekjain: anything else we can help you with?
[14:57] <prateekjain>  /msg prateekjain test
[14:57] <prateekjain> PriceChild: i typed it...but it doesnt seem to work
[14:59] <Myrtti> /msg prateekjain test
[15:00] <prateekjain> Myrtti: thanks
[15:01] <prateekjain> Myrtti: i have a query can u help?
[15:01] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>raca in main channel (now gone)
[15:02] <Pici> bazhang: jrib took care of it?
[15:03] <jdavies> woo
[15:03] <bazhang> Pici, j davies did
[15:12] <bazhang> anyone else used chanserv.py? what is the abbrev for mute? m is whois
[15:14] <Pici> bazhang: m should be mute according to the source.
[15:14] <Pici> if comm in ['m','mute']:
[15:15] <bazhang> Pici, so /cs m nick?
[15:15] <Pici> bazhang: That should work
[15:15] <bazhang> thanks Pici :)
[17:24] <bazhang><EMAIL_ADDRESS>quasarrichter
[17:26] <jussi01> jdavies: had a comment a week or 2 back that the spanish factoid was slightly wrong (grammatically) - did you see that?
[17:27] <jdavies> jussi01: L.L last changed it, will check later
[17:27] <jussi01> ok
[17:27] <jussi01> !-es
[17:35] <Amaranth> yay it shows last edit now
[17:35] <Amaranth> !-love
[17:35] <Amaranth> guess that never got changed
[17:39] <jdavies> !love
[17:40] <jussi01> Amaranth: because its one of the best factoids we have...
[17:40] <Amaranth> hehe
[17:40] <bazhang> not better than the because....satan one though ;]
[17:41] <Amaranth> hmm, 07:45 UTC
[17:41] <Amaranth> i may have been drinking
[17:41] <jussi01> bazhang: which one?
[17:41] <bazhang> ubottu why you do this to me?
[17:41]  * ubottu because...............................Satan.
[17:42] <bazhang> haha
[17:42] <jussi01> heh
[17:42] <Amaranth> yay broken english
[17:42] <jussi01> !why do you do this to me?
[17:42] <Amaranth> !why you do this to me?
[17:42] <jussi01> hrm...
[17:42] <Amaranth> weird
[17:43] <jussi01> might be a plugin...  A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[20:27] <stdin> ^ <reply>
[20:27] <Pici> !no ccsm is <reply> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy), install 'simple-ccsm'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[20:27] <Pici> stdin: Thanks
[20:28] <Pici> Some_Person: I dont really see the point of !glxgears
[20:28] <Some_Person> glxgears -printfps is an invalid command
[20:30] <Some_Person> glxgears is often used to make sure that the video card is properly set up because it tells you the FPS in a terminal
[20:30] <Pici> Some_Person: ah
[20:30] <Pici> I didnt even realize we already had that factoid.
[20:30] <Pici> !glxgears =~ s/ -printfps//
[20:30] <Pici> !glxgears =~ s/ \-printfps//
[20:31] <Myrtti> !glxgears
[20:31] <Pici> !fps =~ s/ -printfps//
[20:31] <Myrtti> !-glxgears
[20:31] <Myrtti> !fps
[20:32] <Pici> stdin: Heres a good feature the bot should have: if you try to apply a regex to an alias, have it edit the original factoid
[20:33] <stdin> maybe, but that's harder than it sounds ;) but possible I guess
[20:33] <Pici> stdin: I dont know if you're going to be doing new features, or only fixing the bugs so it 'works'
[20:34] <stdin> Pici: I plan on doing both
[20:35] <jussi01> !helpersnack | stdin
[20:35] <stdin> I've already added @sync for the lazy and cron-impaired :p
[20:35] <Myrtti>  @hug jussi01
[20:36] <stdin> but that was just to see if I could
[20:37] <stdin> and lost of @help stuff
[20:37] <jdavies> and where is my cookie?
[20:37] <jussi01> and the last edited
[20:37] <jussi01> jdavies: you dont deserve one :P
[20:38] <jdavies> :-(
[20:38] <jdavies> ok..
[20:38] <stdin> I think I fixed the addressing thing too
[20:39] <stdin> ubottu: foo
[20:39] <stdin> yep
[20:39] <jussi01> :D
[20:40] <stdin> the code to do that assumed the bots nick was always 5 chars, so it wasn't too hard to fix
[20:42]  * jussi01 sighs at the holyhandgrenade botabuse in -bots
[20:48] <jdavies> long live Monty Python
[20:50] <Myrtti> !ufw
[20:50] <Myrtti> !firewall
[20:50] <jdavies> !search ufw
[20:50] <Some_Person> ufw is a frontend for iptables
[20:50] <Myrtti> isn't ufw a frontend to iptables?
[20:50] <Myrtti> indeed
[20:51] <Myrtti> as is firestarter and so on
[20:51] <Some_Person> but ufw is included in ubuntu
[20:51] <Myrtti> yes...
[20:57] <Some_Person> I think it at least deserves mention, as it's purpose is to make iptables easier to manage, which it accomplishes in my opinion, and it is included in ubuntu, which is why I submitted it.
[21:00] <Myrtti> Pici: ^
[21:37] <ompaul> !info ufw
[22:05] <Seeker`> can we get ubottu in -uk?
[22:22] <jdavies> jussi01: ^
[23:04] <jussi01> ubottu: join #ubuntu-uk
[23:04] <jussi01> stdin: ^
[23:09] <stdin> jussi01: yeah, it still does it though
[23:10] <stdin> ubottu: whoami
[23:10] <stdin> jussi01: like that
[23:10] <Seeker`> does ubottu not have a cloak?
[23:11] <stdin> nope
[23:11] <Seeker`> :(
[23:11] <stdin> it must be cold without one
[23:13] <nalioth> stdin: there is much going on now with bots and such ( and some other ubot* don't have Ubuntu cloaks, either )
[23:14] <stdin> nalioth: I was thinking more of a @unaffiliated/jussi01/bot/ubottu cloak for now
[23:15] <stdin> but that's up to jussi
[23:17] <nalioth> stdin: such as ubot3 has?
[23:17] <stdin> yeah
[23:25] <Pici> Myrtti: What am I, the official factoid editor?
[23:27] <Amaranth> Why can't it just get an ubuntu/bot/ubottu cloak?
[23:28] <ompaul> Pici, yes
[23:32] <Myrtti> Pici: a) you do it so magnificently, dear, b) we love you, I love you, let's get married? c) please \(ö_ö)/
[23:34] <Myrtti> Amaranth: because we don't want it to be official bot, dear
[23:34] <Amaranth> Myrtti: Err
[23:34] <Myrtti> Amaranth: yes, I know
[23:34] <Amaranth> What one _do_ we want to be an official bot?
[23:34] <Myrtti> it is de facto official
[23:35] <nalioth> we are working on the bot situation
[23:35] <Myrtti> Amaranth: the one $higher_power_with_better_resources runs
[23:36] <Amaranth> nalioth is going to setup a bot?
[23:36] <Pici> Myrtti: Fine ;)
[23:36] <nalioth> Amaranth: i've had ubot3 running for a long time now
[23:36] <Amaranth> At this point any 'official' bot is going to have to use ubottu's database
[23:36] <Myrtti> as they should
[23:38] <ompaul> Amaranth, it is not official until it is official - let's sit back and watch the floor show
[23:39] <ompaul> Amaranth, there are comments during the last while about not having an official bot in the hands of a person - it has to be on "common hardware"
[23:40] <ompaul> perhaps from the ultimate answer, in some canonical format
[23:40] <ompaul> or some such
[23:40] <ompaul> - is it obvious I am a little tired ;-)
[23:40] <Myrtti> ompaul: hush, you said the magic word
[23:41] <Myrtti> s/canonical/$higher_power_with_better_resources/
[23:42] <Myrtti> though, of course, the default value for that variable is the beforementioned one ;-)
[23:43] <ompaul> the truth lies here
[23:43] <ompaul> hehehe
[23:45] <Myrtti> the problem with the default value is that although now it basically rolls in money, I'd like to see the bot on Ubuntu space, not C space
[23:46] <ompaul> it could
[23:46] <Myrtti> companies come and go, people with passions for a certain thing forming a community don't
[23:46] <Myrtti> they last forevah!
[23:46] <ompaul> Myrtti, a bit of both tbh
[23:47] <ompaul> Myrtti, when you hear someone say "rebranding" say "I got three letters for ya, IBM"
[23:47] <Myrtti> +1
[23:48] <stdin> well, the bot is oss, anyone can host it, but it'd be more reliable if it was hosted on some uber-computer somewhere
[23:50]  * mneptok would strongly suggest not doing any bot movement planning anytime soon
[23:52] <mneptok> Myrtti: the problem is that communites never run anything. motivated individuals inside that community do. which means another Seveas situation.
[23:52] <Myrtti> /me looks around, doesn't see any boxes or u-hauls around
[23:53] <mneptok> Myrtti: look above my neck. there's yer box.
[23:57] <Seeker`> so if canonical wont host it, you need hosting that is paid for by the group, with multiple people with access
[23:57] <ompaul> Seeker`, or a nominated group of more than one
[23:58] <Myrtti> such as... can you guess?
[23:58] <Myrtti> tadah
[23:58] <Myrtti> irc council
[23:58] <Myrtti> or irc team
[23:58] <Myrtti> /me rolls
[23:58] <ompaul> Myrtti, no no beware of the rick
[23:59] <Myrtti> /me drops on the floor, whinces


[20:19] <MichaelPaoli> BerkeleyLUG - noon-3 @ 85C four of us thus far ... big table, AC power, Wi-Fi ... https://berkeleylug.com/meetings/
[20:19] <darthrobot> Title: [Meetings – BerkeleyLUG]
[21:14] <MichaelPaoli> ... half dozen of us thus far.


[15:02] <philballew> hey everyone! just wanted to let you guys know JoseeAntonioR has free money to give to everyone!
[15:02] <JoseeAntonioR> I have bitcoins
[15:02] <sagaci> sounds great
[16:41] <Mkaysi> Did ubot5 have facts about scamming or something similar?
[16:50] <JoseeAntonioR> Mkaysi: this is not the right place to ask, you can ask in #ubuntu-irc. Plus, there's a database listed in a webpage


[00:02] <quantibiliy> need the developers channel for xubuntu or , perhaps here. dual screen issues? seems to rotate and wonder if its cycling through the "work spaces's' and some how is messing with the the dual screen, cause i fix it, then it messes up, so i just cycle through (top, left, down, right) then after soem time i get tired of it, so i leave it be unless i need to mess with it... haven't messsed with it lately but today i boote
[00:02] <quantibiliy> d up to a configuration that worked flawless...  so i wonder if its haveing it set on work spaces currently assinged to the screen.
[00:16] <rexonis> Really enjoying the quality of 16.04.
[00:17] <rexonis> The codebase feels tighter. The desktop feels more polished.
[00:27] <Headzup> And the amazon advertising is deactivated by default!
[01:11] <Fritigern> I early-adopted 16.04 yesterday (a year long habit) and now when running apt-get update, I recieve warnings/errors about weak algorythms. Here's one of them:  http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/dists/stable/Release.gpg: Signature by key <KEY HIDDEN> uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[01:11] <Fritigern> My question is now: is there anything I can do about it, or is this something that the repo maintainers should fix?
[01:12] <dax> Fritigern: it's something that the repository maintainers should fix
[01:13] <Fritigern> Poop. So until they fix it, I (and many others) will be stuck with this warning, or is it an error?
[02:38] <Xpistos> Hey All. Does 16.04 support touchscreens?
[02:38] <Xpistos> I have a Lenovo Twist that I am dying to get my touchscreen working.
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> !unity
[04:18] <dax> !notunity
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> dax: would it be a good idea to add ubuntu mate to !flavors?
[04:18] <ChibaPet> Wouldn't a better suggestion be installing "ubuntu-gnome-desktop" ? Or is it just gnome-desktop? Looking.
[04:19] <ChibaPet> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[04:19] <dax> lotuspsychje: yeah, !flavors needs a major update
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> dax: edubuntu also might die :p
[04:20] <dax> *nod*
[07:34] <agronholm> I would like to report several bugs in xenial final beta installation, what do I do?
[07:34] <agronholm> I already logged in to launchpad but I can't figure out how to report a new bug
[09:14] <Fudge> agronholm:  first make sure all updates are installed
[09:15] <Fudge> apport is one way, ubuntu-bug is another, see this page mate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[09:22] <agronholm> Fudge: how do I do that when it won't install in the first place?
[09:22] <agronholm> I'm in the process of writing a report on the appropriate forum
[09:22] <agronholm> basically, grub crashed, among other bugs
[09:31] <agronholm> I'm trying to reproduce the problem in virtualbox but I got a UEFI warning dialog with two buttons, neither of which does anything when clicked
[09:31] <agronholm> the installer is so thoroughly and hilariously broken I don't know to laugh or cry
[09:42] <Fudge> oh there were soem bugs in the beta release i saw
[09:42] <Fudge> can you google xenial beta release notes and take a look, there were a couple of bugs tha tpop up when it is installed in a particular way
[09:42] <agronholm> I did
[09:42] <agronholm> nothing about the problems I saw
[09:43] <agronholm> the only "known bugs" were related to the partitioning phase
[09:43] <agronholm> and I didn't hit them
[09:43] <Fudge> ah, if its just grub you could chroot to /target and fix it yourself if you know how
[09:44] <Fudge> sounds like youre having a hard time
[09:44] <agronholm> I don't know how, and I shouldn't have to
[09:44] <agronholm> I repeated the install process with 15.10 right after and it worked flawlessly
[09:45] <agronholm> I'm just not sure where to report these problems so Canonical employees can see them and fix the problems
[09:45] <Fudge> you might have to wait until release, it is beta afterall
[09:46] <agronholm> I thought the entire point of having a beta was that problems would get discovered by users like me and reported to Canonical
[09:46] <agronholm> if they don't accept user feedback, why release a beta in the first place?
[09:47] <Fudge> like you I am just a user too, i dont know if you can use ubuntu-bug from the live image or not, you could try against ubiquity like ubuntu-bug ubiquity if I recall correctly
[09:47] <agronholm> what's ubiquity?
[09:48] <Fudge> that is the name of the installer
[09:48] <agronholm> okay
[09:49] <agronholm> this is where I got stuck with virtualbox: http://imgur.com/tQQvqZP
[09:49] <agronholm> neither button does anything when clicked
[09:50] <Fudge> which screen is it, sorry but I can not see so pics or screenshots don't help
[09:51] <agronholm> ah :(
[09:51] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:51] <agronholm> it's the screen where you choose your location
[09:51] <agronholm> there's a modal dialog on top of that
[09:51] <agronholm> titled "Force UEFI installation?"
[09:51] <Fudge> I usually manually partition, choose the partition, format ext4 mount point /. install grub to the desk, which for me is sda. then next next fill out user info then wait.
[09:52] <Fudge> hi lordievader
[09:52] <agronholm> Fudge: I tried the same (though with btrfs instead of ext4)
[09:52] <lordievader> Hey Fudge, how are you?
[09:52] <Fudge> agronholm:  what method of install are you choosing, to entire disk. I do recall problems in the past with UEFI if installing manually
[09:52] <Fudge> going good mate, have a nice longneck of Bavairia here next to me
[09:53] <Fudge> did you see the screenoshot agronholm  just posted lordievader , ideas?
[09:53] <agronholm> Fudge: are you asking me if I chose the topmost option (automatic) when prompted?
[09:54] <agronholm> instead of partitioning manually?
[09:54] <Fudge> yep
[09:54] <agronholm> no I did not -- I chose to partition manually
[09:54] <agronholm> otherwise I would not get a btrfs root disk
[09:54] <lordievader> I suppose you don't have another install on your vb box?
[09:55] <agronholm> lordievader: what do you mean?
[09:55] <lordievader> The uefi warning says there may be another install using the bios system, is this true?
[09:56] <agronholm> no it's not
[09:56] <agronholm> this was a freshly partitioned drive
[09:56] <agronholm> I had to create the partition table in the partitioner section of the installer
[09:57] <agronholm> so how it determined that I had another OS installed is a mystery
[09:57] <lordievader> They I'd ignore the warning.
[09:58] <agronholm> lordievader: I wish I could but neither button does anything when pushed
[09:58] <lordievader> Hehe, well that is helpfull...
[09:58] <agronholm> it's the same thing when I tried to install on bare metal -- grub crashed and I was told that after closing this dialog an error report would be sent
[09:58] <agronholm> but the close button did nothing
[09:58] <lordievader> I suppose you could boot it into bios mode. But how to force vb into that I do not know.
[09:59] <agronholm> I specifically booted with EFI support to reproduce the problems I had on bare metal
[09:59] <agronholm> I have no real intention of installing this on VB
[10:00] <lordievader> Ah...
[10:01] <agronholm> I wasn't expecting the installer to fail so hard in UEFI mode
[10:03] <Fudge> UEFI sux
[10:03] <flocculant> agronholm: just to be clear here - you're trying to do this to reproduce a bug on hardware so you can report it?
[10:03] <agronholm> flocculant: I believe that is what I just said
[10:04] <agronholm> the keyboard layout selector is broken too, even without UEFI
[10:04] <agronholm> worked flawlessly with 15.10
[10:04] <flocculant> agronholm: and when you tried to install on hardware it didn't crash and then fall back to the livesession desktop?
[10:04] <agronholm> flocculant: it did crash
[10:04] <agronholm> flocculant: when installing grub
[10:05] <flocculant> right - but did it leave you at the desktop?
[10:05] <flocculant> because it should - then you can report bugs with ubuntu-bug
[10:05] <agronholm> not sure what you mean by that -- it didn't drop me to console if that's what you mean
[10:06] <flocculant> no - just the livesession desktop
[10:06] <agronholm> no
[10:06] <agronholm> I just got an error message saying that when I close this dialog it will send the error report
[10:06] <flocculant> right - and then it didn't
[10:06] <agronholm> but then I couldn't close the dialog because the "close" button didn't do anything
[10:07] <agronholm> the button would respond normally, but nothing would happen when pressing it
[10:07] <flocculant> I assume you checked the iso
[10:07] <agronholm> I can do that
[10:07] <flocculant> I would - hit any key - check for defects
[10:08] <agronholm> no errors found
[10:08] <flocculant> then start it - but use the try option rather than install so you're at a desktop
[10:08] <agronholm> also: http://imgur.com/PKmfHYG
[10:08] <flocculant> then when it crashes - open a terminal and ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[10:08] <flocculant> yea - I'd not do that
[10:08] <agronholm> this is how the installer looks on my laptop
[10:09] <flocculant> yea that looks right
[10:09] <agronholm> the "Jatka" (Continue) button causes the cursor to turn to a rolling ball and it takes several minutes there
[10:09] <agronholm> flocculant: looks right to you that the window content creeps halfway onto the title bar and the desktop is far larger than the screen?
[10:10] <flocculant> oh right - no that doesn't look right :)
[10:10] <agronholm> look at the upper right corner -- the clock and other icons are not there because the desktop is larger
[10:10] <agronholm> most dialogs are displayed off screen which is why I initially thought the installer had frozen
[10:11] <flocculant> agronholm: mmm
[10:11] <agronholm> so the question is: who do I report these multiple bugs to?
[10:11] <agronholm> the display bug and the broken keyboard layout selector
[10:11] <agronholm> and the broken grub install
[10:12] <Fudge> it all falls under ubiquity
[10:12] <flocculant> I'd report to ubiquity
[10:12] <agronholm> alright, I'll go to launchpad
[10:12] <flocculant> agronholm: what language are you using there?
[10:12] <agronholm> Finnish
[10:13] <Fudge> if the installer is still stalling, t open a terminal, control alt t. type sudo pkill -9 ubiquity  then if ubuntu-but doesnt launch, do it manually by typing ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[10:13] <flocculant> agronholm: might be bug 1549529 fopr language
[10:13] <agronholm> flocculant: perhaps
[10:14] <agronholm> but I would've assumed that I get to select another keyboard layout
[10:14] <flocculant> agronholm: and you tried to set that before the installer started?
[10:16] <agronholm> flocculant: I would have to try to boot the ubuntu ISO in legacy BIOS mode for that
[10:16] <agronholm> trying now in virtualbox
[10:18] <agronholm> yes, the keyboard layout selection looks correct if I install the right layout before starting the installer
[10:18] <agronholm> so I'm definitely hitting #1549529
[10:19] <flocculant> ok - so that's one out of the way - easy one though :)
[10:20] <agronholm> what's this casper package?
[10:28] <flocculant> that's what runs the live system afaik
[10:31] <lordievader> Wasn't casper the one responsible for setting up the live session? (Setting up the user, making sure it has what it needs, etc)
[10:32] <flocculant> lordievader: afaik yea
[10:34] <agronholm> does 16.04 use mir instead of X?
[10:34] <agronholm> in the installer
[10:34] <agronholm> that would explain why it looks so bad on a high DPI display
[10:34] <flocculant> agronholm: no
[10:35] <agronholm> then I am at a loss as to what causes the display problems
[10:35] <agronholm> it doesn't happen on 15.10
[10:35] <flocculant> agronholm: no idea I'm afraid
[10:36] <agronholm> I should boot in the "Try Ubuntu" mode on bare metal and see if it happens there too (it probably will)
[11:27] <nrosvall> is the fix for black corners round CSD windows coming to 16.04 before final release?
[11:33] <flocculant> nrosvall: supposedly - bug 1516403
[11:37] <nrosvall> Yes I noticed that too. Thanks.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> nrosvall: you can add 'im affected' and tell your story to the bug?
[11:44] <agronholm> I'm not sure what to file a bug against (wrt the display bugs with high DPI displays)
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: can you explain the full story? whats going on?
[11:47] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: short version: http://imgur.com/PKmfHYG
[11:48] <agronholm> the longer version you can read if you scroll back a bit
[11:49] <flocculant> nrosvall: I saw your comment yesterday, you *might* be better asking in -desktop tomorrow when there are people about who're actually working on this
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: just joined, cant scroll back...you want install 3rd party software?
[11:50] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: you don't see anything wrong with the display in that photo?
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: it keeps loading for next?
[11:51] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: no.
[11:52] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: do you not see that the window content is overlapped with the title bar?
[11:52] <agronholm> or that the clock and the usual symbols are missing from the upper right part of the screen?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> right
[11:52] <agronholm> the desktop that was created is much larger than the display
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> bbl sorry
[11:52] <agronholm> which also causes any dialogs to appear off screen
[12:02] <nrosvall> flocculant, sure. I'll ask tomorrow :)
[13:16] <ika_> Hello. I just installed 16.04 on a PC with a Nvidia Fermi card and the latest prop. driver (361.x). It's an analog monitor (dsub only) and the screen is offset to the right (4:3 resolutions are displayed correcly, but those are streched and LCD panels look terrible in non-native resolution). Is there any way to fix this?
[13:16] <ika_> i.imgur.com/otx9uFh
[13:16] <ika_> https://i.imgur.com/otx9uFh
[13:23] <ChibaPet> ika_: does xrandr show the monitor as supporting the mode(s) you want?
[13:24] <ChibaPet> If not, something I've done with recalcitrant hardware in the past is to force in the correct mode.
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:26] <ika_> ChibaPet : http://pastebin.com/XLG2C4vL
[13:26] <ChibaPet> ika_: I hate pastebin - any chance you could use bpaste.net ?
[13:26] <ika_> I would have 1680x1050 as native res
[13:26] <ika_> sure
[13:26] <ika_> https://bpaste.net/show/4ee17e211fe2
[13:28] <ika_> I wonder, would it help if I would manually make a Modeline entry xorg.conf ?
[13:28] <ika_> in xorg*
[13:29] <ChibaPet> You can do that, but an easier and quicker test to see if it'll do what you want... oh, it's offering. Wait. It's showing 1680x1050 as the mode in use. What am I missing?
[13:29] <ChibaPet> Hm, I also wonder if there's a cap to modes a VGA cable will actually support.
[13:30] <ika_> vga cables support way much more (1600x1200 is the recommended tho), but never had problem with previous ubuntu builds
[13:30] <ika_> yes it's just offset so I can'T see half of the screen
[13:30] <ika_> well 40% of it
[13:31] <ChibaPet> Ah. That seems like it'd be a monitor setting. They usually let you control image offset from the monitor controls.
[13:31] <ChibaPet> Although that's easily the most dramatic offset I can remember seeing.
[13:31] <ika_> not that much I can get back about 10% with the monitor OSD
[13:33] <ika_> well, I had to try asking it here. Thanks for your time:)
[13:33] <ChibaPet> man xrandr
[13:33] <ChibaPet> there are some options that might help, but I've not found the silver bullet yet
[13:33] <ChibaPet> reading it now
[13:34] <ChibaPet> maybe --transform
[13:34] <ChibaPet> Maybe something with --pos...
[13:35] <ChibaPet> FWIW, if you find a way to do it with xrandr, there will be an xorg conf equivalent.
[13:35] <ChibaPet> ...or you can be lazy like me and invoke xrandr on login.
[13:38] <ika_> Thank you. I'm also looking into it now. I just wanted to save time, thought maybe it's a known issue.
[13:39] <ChibaPet> It's not one I've heard of before. Sorry!
[13:52] <ikonia> !info irssi
[14:26] <tracker3> Hi there
[14:27] <tracker3> Ubuntu is deleting xorg.conf at every boot. Is it me or what?
[14:29] <ika_> ChibaPet : There is a beta driver (which even adds Vulcan support). I installed that one and it fixed the issue. ( https://bpaste.net/show/2ec4073a9ded )
[14:30] <ika_> could not make it work with the previous ones, no matter what I tried
[14:30] <ika_> Just in case anyone might run into the same issue:)
[15:05] <nicomachus> ika_: thanks for not being this guy: https://imgur.com/lUmiWl3
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: did you upgrade or clean install 16.04?
[15:22] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: see my writeup here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2318658&p=13461877#post13461877
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: did you installed the btrfs way on 15.10 also?
[15:25] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: yes
[15:26] <agronholm> working perfectly
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: so on 16.04 less luck with that?
[15:26] <agronholm> indeed
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: i think you should add a bug for all this
[15:26] <agronholm> on what package?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: hmmm not sure
[15:26] <agronholm> which package is responsible for the display bugs?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> !bug
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: we need to findout wich package is the cause
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: still trying to puzzle your issue out :p
[15:27] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: thank you for the effort
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: at wich point are you stuck really?
[15:28] <agronholm> it was the point at which grub install crashed
[15:28] <agronholm> I didn't want to spend more time on it as I had more important things to do
[15:28] <agronholm> I guess I could try that with virtualbox
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> i hear they trying to make btrfs support better so, maybe on final
[15:29] <agronholm> is this really about btrfs though?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> not sure, still marked as experimental though
[15:30] <agronholm> raid5/6 is experimental, the rest of btrfs is stable
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: but if you say it worked on wily
[15:30] <agronholm> yes
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> np
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: could you check if this is similar? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1548134
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: the last reply on this bug, looks interesting..leaving space fro grub?
[15:33] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: that caught my attention too
[15:33] <agronholm> I didn't have to do that with 15.10
[15:33] <agronholm> but with virtualbox the partitioner insisted on it
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> weird
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: this guy bugs it to package grub-installer
[15:34] <agronholm> the problem is, I don't want to wipe my system again to test
[15:34] <agronholm> with virtualbox I can play around but it's not the same
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: true
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: but as xenial still in development, i would suggest new bug to get attention on this
[15:36] <agronholm> alright
[15:36] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: this also mentions: When installing Ubuntu in one large btrfs-Partition without an extra boot-partition, take care to keep about 1 Mib space free at the beginning of the disk. This is possible using the partition manager in the Ubuntu installer. When there is not this space, the installer fails at the end when trying to install Grub!
[15:37] <lotuspsychje> im not the btfrs expert, but this might be the reason why grub cant install perhaps?
[15:38] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: that would make sense, I just wonder if this is a new requirement
[15:38] <agronholm> hm
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: the wiki is edited in 2013, so think not
[15:39] <agronholm> https://bpaste.net/show/287ac1f4700e
[15:39] <agronholm> this is my current partition table
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: well i didnt do btfrs before, so i cant really tell sorry
[15:41] <agronholm> it's ok
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: do a few tests maybe to make sure its not a bug
[15:41] <agronholm> I'm in the process of installing 16.04 on vbox in a similar manner
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> ok
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: found another bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1534922
[15:43] <tracker3> Hi there. Is it me or xubuntu 16.04 deletes xorg.conf at every boot
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: clean installed or upgraded?
[15:44] <tracker3> upgraded
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: from wich?
[15:44] <tracker3> 15.10
[15:44] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: this might indeed be relevant
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: what graphics card?
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: yeah i think so too
[15:44] <tracker3> Hybrid of Intel hd 3000 \ AMD Radeon HD 6550m
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: radeon or amdgpu?
[15:44] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: that display bug will likely be the biggest PITA though
[15:44] <tracker3> radeon
[15:45] <agronholm> I couldn't reproduce it in virtualbox
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: well i would suggest a clean install 16.04 test first before we start a bug
[15:45] <agronholm> so I'm assuming it's a thing with high DPI displays
[15:45] <tracker3> Im going to add chattr that xorg.conf cannot be deleted and catch the process which is deleting it
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: 4K screen?
[15:45] <agronholm> 3K but yeah
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: 16.04 is still in development, so can you help test clean install, see if your radeon loads better that way?
[15:46] <tracker3> lotuspsychje, If i save /home while reinstalling ubuntu 16.04 will it count as a "clean install"?
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: yes
[15:47] <tracker3> cya later then
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> tracker3: tnx
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: btrfs 16.04 grub google search gives alot of those same bugs so it seems
[15:48] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: ok so remember that partition table I pasted a while back?
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> yes
[15:48] <agronholm> it showed the first partition starting at sector 2048
[15:49] <agronholm> sector size being 512 bytes
[15:49] <agronholm> 2048 * 512 bytes makes exactly 1 megabyte
[15:49] <agronholm> so that's the "embed area" in which the grub install couldn't fit
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> ah
[15:50] <agronholm> strangely, it fit there just fine when I installed it in virtualbox the same way
[15:50] <agronholm> gonna try it in EFI mode now
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: ok good luck mate
[15:51] <agronholm> thanks :)
[16:02] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: I was able to reproduce the grub install failure in EFI mode
[16:02] <agronholm> on virtualbox
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> oh
[16:03] <agronholm> as well as the "close button not working" problem
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: any idea how to solve?
[16:03] <agronholm> other than booting in legacy mode?
[16:04] <agronholm> I'm not even sure what's wrong
[16:04] <agronholm> it just said it couldn't install grub
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> weird man
[16:06] <penguin42> hmm someone I know I hit that the other day
[16:07] <lotuspsychje> penguin42: did you see what solved?
[16:07] <penguin42> I think in the end he attacked the disc with gparted to delete the partitioning - fdisks wouldn't get it back to get rid of that 2048
[16:07] <penguin42> I'd guessed it used to be GPT partitioned
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: ^
[16:09] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: doesn't seem relevant to my case
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> ok
[16:10] <agronholm> strange thing...if I use the English language for the installer, I get the correct keyboard layout (Finnish) selected by default
[16:11] <agronholm> but if I choose Finnish as the installer language, it gives me US English only :P
[16:11] <agronholm> the keyboard detection on the other hand gives me a Latvian layout (wtf?)
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: is this the daily or beta2 you tseting?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> testing
[16:12] <agronholm> beta2
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: maybe you can also test this on a daily iso
[16:13] <agronholm> maybe...but I'm thinking beta2 is so fresh that a daily build is unlikely to contain any major fixes at this point
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> well im on daily, and running like a rocket on my desktop
[16:13] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: just trying to widen your options :p
[16:13] <agronholm> did you boot via EFI or BIOS?
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: bios, its an old amd3200+
[16:14] <agronholm> mhm
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> but not btfrs here
[16:14] <agronholm> then you're unlikely to hit the problems I'm seeing
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> no
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> im on ssd and ext4
[16:18] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: http://imgur.com/4u0NENr
[16:19] <agronholm> it looks like the grub package failed to install
[16:19] <agronholm> so it wasn't even about grub-install not working
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> i see
[16:20] <agronholm> I wonder where I could get more information
[16:20] <lotuspsychje> lemme lok that up
[16:21] <agronholm> looks like I'm not the first one to see this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/260297/12-04-2-failed-to-install-grub-efi-to-target
[16:21] <ika_> bye
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: are you singleboot or dualbooting?
[16:22] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: this is a fresh virtualbox instance with no other drives or operating systems attached
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: but are you dualbooting physically?
[16:22] <agronholm> no
[16:23] <agronholm> not sure what it has to do with this
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: disabled fastboot and secureboot from bios?
[16:23] <agronholm> from virtualbox settings you mean?
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: no in your physical machine
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: check this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/485008/ubuntu-14-04-install-grub-efi-amd64-signed-failed-to-install-into-target
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> same error you having
[16:24] <BluesKaj> UEFI is such a pita, I just used the legacy mode to install kubuntu after wiping W8.1 of the drive when i received my laptop and changed the partition table to dos, no more grub install problems
[16:24] <BluesKaj> of=off
[16:25] <agronholm> BluesKaj: fair enough
[16:25] <agronholm> I guess legacy boot would solve this problem...but the display being way off is still a major issue
[16:26] <BluesKaj> agronholm, especially if you have no intention of installing Windows 8 or above
[16:26] <agronholm> yeah
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: maybe virtualbox glitches on your grafix card
[16:28] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: you misunderstand
[16:28] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: or did the window overlay happen on physical too?
[16:28] <agronholm> the display glitches happened on bare metal but not virtualbox
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> kk
[16:29] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: what card is that?
[16:29] <agronholm> this is an integrated Intel (i195 I think), though I have an embedded nvidia 940 too
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> optimus?
[16:30] <agronholm> yeah
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> there might be our bottleneck
[16:30] <agronholm> I haven't gotten to use it as it requires kernel 4.6 :)
[16:30] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: bottleneck?
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> optimus cards always need nvidia-prime
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> and the right driver combo
[16:30] <agronholm> I would assume it uses the intel as it has on all previous ubuntus
[16:31] <agronholm> any way to check?
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: sudo lshw -C video
[16:31] <agronholm> I will try
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: also check additional drivers section wich driver loaded for nvidia
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> some optimus cards dont like latest driver
[16:32] <agronholm> well I hadn't gotten that far with 16.04 and 15.10 just uses the intel device
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> so maybe an nvidia-353-updates + nvidia-prime might do the trick>?
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> 352
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: or a nomodeset install at first, then install the drivers after install
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset
[16:34] <agronholm> lotuspsychje: I think the installer should just work out of the box but I'll see if those options make any difference
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> ok, but as you have weird grafix issues, might be worth the test
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yeah, the optimus hybrid gpus are always a problem, but think nvidia-prime is installed by default and forget bumblebee since it's utterly useless on the newer ubuntu OSs
[16:42] <CrackerJack> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
[16:42] <CrackerJack> System:    Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 4.6.0-040600rc1-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
[16:42] <CrackerJack>            Desktop: Unity 7.4.0  Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[16:42] <CrackerJack> :)
[16:42] <BluesKaj> CrackerJack, ??
[16:43] <CrackerJack> just use new kernel
[16:43] <CrackerJack> not you problem
[16:43] <BluesKaj> bleeding edge for sure
[16:44] <CrackerJack> use free driver
[16:44] <CrackerJack> my is old radeon
[16:49] <iray> dropping to say that i really am loving ubuntu16.04 lts beta2
[16:49] <iray> well done!
[16:49] <agronholm> I'm surprised to see that in the "Try Ubuntu" mode I'm not seeing the graphical issues
[16:50] <agronholm> but as I expected it's using the Intel controller, not the nvidia one
[16:52] <iray> ive never had good results (with respect to multiple monitors connected to docking stations; on hp elitebook series) when using nvida drivers
[16:53] <iray> *nvidia drivers for ubuntu
[16:53] <agronholm> you mean the proprietary ones or nouveau?
[16:53] <iray> noether.
[16:53] <iray> *niether..
[16:53] <iray> though, it all works well for the case
[16:54] <iray> where i am using the default video drivers
[16:54] <iray> (non 3d accelerated drivers)
[16:54] <agronholm> in the "install ubuntu" mode I get those glitches
[16:54] <agronholm> I just snapped a photo of the setup screen
[16:55] <agronholm> is there any way to verify which driver is being used in this mode?
[16:55] <agronholm> I have no clue how to get a console here
[16:57] <tracker3> ctrl+alt+t
[16:58] <tracker3> and glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[16:58] <tracker3> will seal the deal
[16:58] <agronholm> well having opengl with nvidia 940 is impossible with kernels < 4.6
[16:59] <agronholm> ctrl+alt+t does nothing btw
[17:01] <agronholm> nomodeset had an interesting result
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> aha
[17:02] <agronholm> my laptop screen went dark but both external monitors were set to a non-optimal display mode
[17:02] <agronholm> the glitches are gone though
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: yeah install the drivers later
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: also cable internet + updates enabled during setup
[17:05] <agronholm> well, thanks for your assistance
[17:05] <agronholm> that's enough experimentation for today
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> agronholm: hope it gets solved mate
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:05] <agronholm> yeah
[17:06] <agronholm> but at least there's an easy workaround for the glitches: run ubiquity through the "try ubuntu" mode
[17:06] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:07] <iray> i think the new kernel is doing wonders for how ubuntu is addressing my cores.;
[17:08] <iray> i used to freeze on 14.04  constantly when intellij would index source
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> iray: nice to hear
[17:08] <iray> now, its churning through it like butter
[17:08] <iray> i VERY happy about it
[17:08] <iray> *i am
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> same here
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> 8sec boot, 3sec halt on my ssd
[17:09] <iray> yeah.. similar here.
[17:09] <iray> flying...
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> and thats on an old amd 3200+ with 2gig ram lol
[17:10] <agronholm> iray: interesting, I'm still having those issues with 15.10
[17:10] <agronholm> mouse cursor freezes with high CPU or disk usage
[17:10] <agronholm> not sure which
[17:10] <iray> 16.04 cleared it up.. its gotta be the new linux kernel
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[17:11] <iray> $ uname -a
[17:11] <iray> Linux blackhole9 4.4.0-15-generic #31-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:08:31 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> yep
[17:18] <pcn> Hi everyone!  What's the status of ubuntu with prime/hybrid graphics?
[17:19] <pcn> Specifically with nvidia
[17:21] <agronholm> pcn: what card do you have
[17:22] <agronholm> (nvidia)
[17:23] <pcn> lshw says NVIDIA Corporation GM107M [GeForce GTX 960M] (rev ff)
[17:24] <pcn> sorry, lspci (any typos probably a result of my copying by hand excuse me for that)
[17:24] <agronholm> pcn: nouveau requires kernel 4.6 for accelerated graphics
[17:24] <agronholm> and even then the performance is poor
[17:25] <agronholm> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gtx-900-nouveau&num=1
[17:26] <agronholm> my early attempts to make the binary driver work on my optimus laptop failed miserably so I've refrained from any further attempts
[17:26] <agronholm> wayland/mir have the potential to provide proper support
[17:26] <agronholm> with X it's impossible
[17:27] <pcn> How does unaccelereated nouveau compare to the intel driver, though?
[17:27] <pcn> maybe less-accellerated is a better term, but you get my drift
[17:27] <grhthy> hi guys
[17:27] <agronholm> pcn: that'd be no acceleration at all on kernel < 4.6
[17:27] <agronholm> and no, I haven't tried if it even works at all
[17:28] <agronholm> last I remember nouveau didn't even recognize my 940M
[17:28] <grhthy> is the removal of FGLRX driver a problem for someone having an amd gpu?
[17:28] <grhthy> I'm afraid of overheat
[18:07] <ryan_turner> I'm having an issue where my Dell XPS 13 9350 with 16.04 isn't suspending properly. If I go to suspend and then turn it back on, I end up at the bios Dell splash, and then once I get a user session running it has me report an error. how do I troubleshoot this more on my own?
[18:10] <pcn> ryan_turner: my 9550 is the same.  I'm very interested too.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> ryan_turner, I use sudo pm-suspend, works fine in the terminal
[19:19] <BluesKaj> pcn,^
[19:19] <ryan_turner> Will try that now.
[19:20] <ryan_turner> Yep that worked brilliantly! Now how do I do that in place of the normal suspend that happens when I close the top or use the menu?
[19:23] <BluesKaj> it's 16.04 , I just use the terminal until the problem is fixed
[19:23] <ryan_turner> Didnt realize it was a known issue
[19:23] <ryan_turner> OK, thank you!
[19:24] <ryan_turner> Any issue/ticket open that I can +1?
[19:24] <BluesKaj> well , it's known to us :-)
[19:25] <BluesKaj> I'm on kde so your power app will be different
[19:26] <BluesKaj> or may be
[21:26] <tracker4> Hi there
[21:27] <tracker4> In 15.10 my usb4g dongle detected automatically, and did well after upgrade to 16.04 beta2, but after clean reinstall of 16.04 - my usb4g dongle is not detected by system
[21:50] <tracker4> fixed by myself
[23:23] <tracker4> Hi there
[23:24] <tracker4> is it me or xubuntu 16.04 really moves my xorg.conf at every boot?


[06:11] <tonyyarusso> What tools / methods are used for making themes and icons?  I suppose icons themselves are probably an Inkscape sort of thing, but what about window decorations and packaging everything as an installable theme?
[06:11] <kwwii> most of that is code
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> dang
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> kwwii: what sort of code?
[06:11] <wedderbur1> i use inkscape for the icons
[06:11] <kwwii> the artwork is mainly done with inkscape, the pieces of the hardcoded theme engines for windeco and styles are pixmaps
[06:12] <kwwii> tonyyarusso: C I would guess :-)
[06:12] <wedderbur1> inkscape for the usplash and some gimp love
[06:12] <wedderbur1> and inkscape for the gnome-splashs
[06:12] <wedderbur1> ooo
[06:12] <wedderbur1> wrong one
[06:12] <wedderbur1> :( thought this was another channel
[06:12] <kwwii> :-)
[06:12] <wedderbur1> :-[x100
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> It would be nice if there were slick qizard type things around for just whipping together custom stuff easily
[06:13] <kwwii> tonyyarusso: yeah, that would be really cool
[06:14] <wedderbur1> sorry all
[06:15] <kwwii> np
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> kwwii: Is it feasible code-wise do you think?
[06:29] <troy_s> wedderbur1: Think python
[06:29] <troy_s> wedderbur1: Deadly easy
[06:30] <wedderbur1> troy_s: ?
[06:30] <troy_s> erk... wrong pointer :)
[06:30] <troy_s> sorry weddy
[06:31] <troy_s> that was more aimed at tonyyarusso
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> ah
[06:31] <wedderbur1> i c :-p
[06:32] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: If you are thinking about mucking for mock, bash works fine with imagemagick.  If you want a little more polished, try python with imagemagick and a GUI binding like GTK / Qt etc.
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> troy_s: I'm keep that in mind - gotta start learning a bit of code here and there it seems
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> troy_s: Are there tutorials floating about about how this all works that I can reference?
[06:33] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: As far as installation goes, Python is probably the most effective means of concat'ing path names etc.  Again, it is similar to what Daniel is attempting to get done for the 'artwork' packaging, but it requires a wider scope such as sounds and other design related elements.
[06:34] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Python is super simple
[06:34] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Your best bet is python.org if you want to haggle into scripting.
[06:34] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Personally though, if you want to automate some sort of workflow
[06:34] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: I strongly encourage you to learn imagemagick or graphicsmagick -- it has all the tools required for a very high end imaging workflow.
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> troy_s: noted
[06:35] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: If it is a workflow issue, simply start mucking with im and pay close attention to the repeated tasks you do.
[06:35] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Start simple by automating those simple repeated tasks and build outwards.
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> troy_s: I more meant for how the artwork actually works - where things go and in what form, etc.  I can 'man imagemagick' to learn how to get there.
[06:36] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Well the traditional 'art' (limited description) components are well known and kwwii or someone else who has current 'Ubuntu' state knowledge will be able to help you more in terms of directories etc.
[06:36] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: That said, there are many elements that Ubuntu won't touch that you might (like panel layouts etc.)
[06:36] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: And that requires looking into things like gconf etc.
[06:37] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Again, it is an evolving concept at this point -- global design theming is entirely new territory.
[06:38] <troy_s> tonyyarusso: Hope that helps a little...
[06:39] <tonyyarusso> troy_s: I think so - thanks
[06:48] <troy_s> kwwii: Do you think we get good mileage out of taking your current wallpaper and providing the proper backdrops to the icons that show monitors?
[06:48] <troy_s> as per bug 63119
[06:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 63119 in human-icon-theme "Human missing Trash, Network, Computer, Open Folder SVGs" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63119
[06:48] <troy_s> one of the comments
[07:07] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, I was thinking about that too...although I have another (darker) wallpaper ready...once I get a decision on that we can decide
[07:11] <troy_s> kwwii: Indeed... on that scale it should be quite easy to generate and a quick integration assuming we can track down all of the icons.
[07:12] <kwwii> troy_s: I guess the biggest problem is that we do not have the svgs of those icons
[07:12] <troy_s> kwwii: I think we do
[07:12] <troy_s> kwwii: I know of at least _one_ that has the terminal that is in svg -- retrofitting shouldn't be too hard.
[07:12] <kwwii> yeah, the screensaver icon has an svg
[07:12] <troy_s> in /usr/share/icons/Human/scalable I know there are at least _one_
[07:13] <kwwii> but I could not find either the terminal or the network
[07:13] <troy_s> possibly more
[07:13] <troy_s> kwwii: Needless to say, spline copying is pretty simple
[07:13] <troy_s> take all of about 10 minutes at the most
[07:14] <kwwii> if you feel up to it, feel free :-) there is an open bug about those icons not being scalable
[07:15] <kwwii> we fixed a problem in the theme file today for the ones with SVGs but that won't help the ones without
[07:15] <troy_s> interesting... i can probably do it quite quickly assuming that i can dig up the time
[07:16] <kwwii> I know that feeling :-)