[00:16] <gbear142751> hey guys, new person to open source management and was wondering if any of you had some good information about managing opensource projects, specifically with using svn for version control and building release candidates.  Any suggested howto's or other information would be greatly appreciated
[00:38] <lifeless> gbear142751: don't use svn
[00:38] <lifeless> gbear142751: use bzr (or git or hg)
[00:39] <gbear142751> lifeless: just found out about bzr tonight... are there significant improvements over svn, or just another flavor of version control?
[01:01] <directhex> branching is more powerful in distributed systems like bzr
[02:06] <robinp> is there some way of digging up an old package source. The package was rejected due to license however the license has now changed and so I believe the package(s) should now be valid.
[02:06] <robinp> I'm looking at mdnsresponder.
[02:12] <directhex> robinp, depends on whether the package was uploaded to the archive
[02:13] <robinp> i imagined the source has changed a bit from then - maybe I am just better off doing a packagisation from scratch
[02:14] <ScottK> robinp: Not that I can find.
[02:14] <ScottK> robinp: #ubuntu-motu is generally a better channel to discuss making new packages for Ubuntu.
[02:15] <robinp> ok thanks
[04:28] <calc> directhex: can't you make the stupid boycottnovell people disappear ;-)
[04:28] <calc> directhex: MONO is so evil it surely has a way to vaporize its opponents ;-)
[05:15] <calc> i'm only ~ 1 week behind in bug triage now, whee
[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[06:44] <pitti> Good morning
[06:44] <dholbach> hiya pitti
[06:46] <pitti> geser: thanks for your analysis
[06:48] <pitti> geser: patch makes sense, thank you!
[06:49] <siretart> pitti: I need to do another quick upload of mplayer, I've forgot to bump the epoch in debian/control as well :-/
[06:49] <siretart> morning #ubuntu-devel!
[06:53] <pitti> siretart: wait
[06:53] <siretart> pitti: anything else I can or should change in debian/control that would help the issue?
[06:53] <pitti> siretart: I'm about to upload pkg-create-dbgsym
[06:53] <siretart> :-)
[06:53] <pitti> siretart: if you can wait for 2 hours, the fixed p-c-d is in and you don't need to change anything
[06:53] <pitti> siretart: (or upload it now, and retry the build in 2 hours)
[06:54] <siretart> pitti: no, the package is really buggy and has a broken upgrade path. the replaces needs a bumped epoch as well to have any effect in ubuntu
[06:54] <siretart> I'd prefer the latter, since any ubuntu dev can retry the build as soon as pkg-create-dbgsym is installed in the chroots
[06:55] <pitti> sure, go ahead
[06:58] <siretart> uploaded!
[06:59]  * pitti too :)
[06:59] <siretart> pitti: is your upload automatically active on the buildds, or do the chroots need handholding?
[07:00] <gpocentek> hello!
[07:01] <siretart> hi
[07:01] <pitti> siretart: no, they should auto-update
[07:01] <siretart> great!
[07:01] <pitti> but of course it needs to build/publish first
[07:02] <gpocentek> could someone get the new goffice binaries out of NEW? it's a soname bump with package name changes
[07:02] <gpocentek> gnumeric is waiting for the packages to build, it'd be nice to have it ready for the next xubuntu alpha
[07:09] <pitti> gpocentek: will you care about the transition until alpha-2?
[07:10] <gpocentek> pitti: sure, there's only one package concerned with a patch ready (waiting for an upstream review)
[07:10] <pitti> great
[07:11] <pitti> gpocentek: done
[07:11] <gpocentek> pitti: thanks!
[07:27] <pitti> TheMuso: hi!
[07:27] <pitti> TheMuso: would you mind if I backport the hal -> udev migration patches for pulseaudio?
[07:34] <TheMuso> pitti: dtchen has done it in our bzr pa branch. Unless it needs to be uploaded ASAP, can it wait till our next pulse upload?
[07:35] <pitti> TheMuso: hm, not in http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pulseaudio/ubuntu then
[07:35] <pitti> TheMuso: yes, it's not super-urgent, I'm just curious :)
[07:35] <TheMuso> pitti: no because I haven't merged it. Its still in dtchen's branch.
[07:35]  * pitti marks it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[07:35] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks!
[07:36] <TheMuso> np
[07:39] <TheMuso> 3~/c
[08:11] <mneptok> pitti: every time i see you discussing disabling HAL, i hear "Daaaaaaaaisy, Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaisy ...." in my head
[08:11] <pitti> mneptok: heey!
[08:12]  * mneptok waves :)
[08:12] <pitti> mneptok: hm, I guess I would have needed to watch Odyssee 2001 to get that joke? :-)
[08:12] <mneptok> naturlich
[08:14] <mneptok> pitti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85wCw3ArNhs
[08:14] <pitti> mneptok: how are you these days?
[08:21] <mneptok> pitti: very well, thanks! busy as hell, but in a good way.
[08:23] <\sh> pitti: you didn't watch odyssee 2001? that's a pitty, pitti ;)
[08:24] <geser> good morning
[08:24] <\sh> I wonder if there is any debian policy document about packaging javascript libraries....
[08:24] <siretart`> hey \sh :-)
[08:25] <\sh> siretart`: moins :) did you get in touch with czessi? :)
[08:25] <siretart`> \sh: whats wrong with installing them in /usr/share and be done with it?
[08:26] <\sh> siretart`: oh well...I meant more for naming issues...like libzend-framework-php I'm using now something like libdojo-toolkit-core-js ;)
[08:26] <siretart`> \sh: no, it seems that everyone here in nueremberg prefers to stay here, and we have a big party at the university at thursday here. now I'm really considering if I should go to LT2009 at all :-(
[08:26] <pitti> cjwatson_: would you mind if we unseed apmd? nothing in main depends on it, and it just sounds horribly outdated
[08:27] <siretart`> \sh: I'm sure there are already javascript libraries packaged in debian. What do the others do?
[08:27] <\sh> siretart`: it looks like they do it the other way around...libjs-<name of the lib>
[08:28] <\sh> so I need to change the naming...
[08:29] <\sh> siretart`: btw...I wonder if you see nobse somehow...if so, I would like to know his progress on mysql-cluster...didn't find any progress on it on his blog or on his debian page
[08:29] <ajmitch> \sh: I think there actually is some policy around js libraries
[08:30] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...I just didn't find it yet ;) but libjs-<name> sounds sane
[08:31] <ajmitch> there's a javascript-common package there as well
[08:32] <ajmitch> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-javascript-devel/2009-April/000206.html details the 'policy' so far :)
[08:32] <\sh> ajmitch: you are my savior, man (sorry for quoting matrix)
[08:32] <siretart`> \sh: he seems terribly busy with his work these days. several months ago he called for help to create a mysql packaging team; without much success AFAIUI
[08:33] <siretart`> \sh: I have him in my jabber list though, where I often see him online
[08:33] <ajmitch> siretart`: do you know what help he needs with mysql?
[08:33] <\sh> siretart`: oh well...then I need to jump on the wagon
[08:33]  * wgrant whispers 'removing it'
[08:34] <siretart`> my ajmitch! :-)
[08:34] <ajmitch> er... :)
[08:34] <siretart`> ajmitch: there was a blogpost about that, but I'm not uptodate with the current state of affairs
[08:34] <siretart`> s/my/hey/
[08:34] <siretart`> *g*
[08:35] <siretart`> bah, I should chat thta much at work...
[08:35] <\sh> wgrant: "REMOVING MYSQL?"
[08:35] <wgrant> \sh: Yes!
[08:35] <ajmitch> siretart`: I think I saw it awhile back
[08:36] <ajmitch> it's still on the front page of his blog
[08:36] <\sh> wgrant: no ways...or do you mean, remove mysql and introduce mariaDB?
[08:37] <ajmitch> \sh: I think he means use postgresql
[08:37] <wgrant> I mean remove MySQL and all derivatives, and use PostgreSQL, yes.
[08:37] <mneptok> pfffft
[08:37] <mneptok> use MariaDB :P
[08:37] <\sh> ajmitch: that's difficult...because postgresql and clustering is not a good partnership...third party tools are there, but mostly non or less documented...and no one has any clue about the "right way"
[08:38] <\sh> the same goes for master/slave setups...slony is there, yes, but really not the right way to do it
[08:38] <ajmitch> mneptok: you has no bias, right? :)
[08:38] <\sh> performance, agreed, postgresql is much better...
[08:39] <mneptok> ajmitch: i don;t get paid for June until July 7, so no ;)
[08:39] <\sh> (and before someone comes and tell me: "you have no clue"...we have all the setups right here @office...and tested it :))
[08:40] <mneptok> Postgres is a bad idea.
[08:40] <mneptok> it changes the LAMP acronym to LAPP, and that means your servers eat reindeer
[08:41] <soren> orly?
[08:41] <mneptok> MariaDB, OTOH ...
[08:41] <ajmitch> but it's popular these days to not even use apache
[08:41] <wgrant> LLPP?
[08:41] <mneptok> wgrant: that's LL Cool J's incontinent brother
[08:41] <siretart`> unpronouncable. this is a killer criteria
[08:42]  * ajmitch watches mneptok try & pronounce that one
[08:42] <\sh> MariaDB is charming...my moms name is "Maria" ;)
[08:42] <soren> That would be L2P2.
[08:44] <\sh> oh my god...it's monday morning here...how can we be so funny ... it's to early(tm)
[08:44] <\sh> s/to/too/
[08:44] <ajmitch> heh
[08:44] <ajmitch> only way to face up to the week ahead
[08:45] <mneptok> ajmitch: he said "funny," not "liquor and a handgun"
[08:46] <ajmitch> you must have one interesting workplace
[08:46] <mneptok> especially on "Clothing Optional Wednesdays"
[08:46] <ttx> slangasek: re: release meeting action, I sent you a mail about likewise-open status in karmic.
[08:47] <pitti> lool: shall we try syncing libipc-sharelite-perl, and see if the new upstream version's test suite works on armel now?
[08:47] <\sh> mneptok: this week we do need more than a handgun...pumpgun is much better...but after some guys running amok here in goodl ol' .de even this is not allowed by law nowadays ;)
[08:48]  * soren is still baffled that it takes someone going on a killing spree for people to realise that guns aren't cool
[08:48] <soren> ..but that's just me.
[08:50] <\sh> soren: because the problem is not the gun...the problem is the man/woman behind the gun...same goes for cars...a car could be a gun when the wrong person is driving the car
[08:50] <soren> Except you can use cars for sensible things as well.
[08:50] <pitti> \sh: .. and the actual owner of guns, who are way too careless
[08:51] <\sh> pitti: right...but as our politicians are seeing it: "There is no problem with the owner...it's all Counterstrike's fault"
[08:51]  * wgrant points out that this discussion probably isn't going to go anywhere good.
[08:51] <pitti> yeah, and Tetris clearly needs to be forbidden as well
[08:52] <pitti> it leads to people dropping stones from Autobahn bridges
[08:52] <\sh> pitti: minesweeper I say, minesweeper ;)
[08:52] <ttx> and solitaire, which develops onanism.
[08:52] <\sh> anyways...meeting now...where's my cluebat
[08:52] <soren> Strip solitaire?
[08:53] <\sh> bbl
[10:04] <smb> seb128, Hi Sebastien, I just followed the last uploader trail. Would you be the right person to discuss gvfs?
[10:05] <seb128> smb: hi, probably, you can use #ubuntu-desktop too if you want
[10:05] <smb> seb128, Might be the better place. Let me move over there...
[10:13] <cjwatson> pitti: no problem dropping apmd as far as I'm concerned. Did I add it in the first place or something?
[10:17] <pitti> cjwatson: no, just collecting a second opinion
[10:20] <pitti> kirkland: please drop /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-kvm.fdi and /usr/share/PolicyKit/policy/org.freedesktop.hal.kvm.policy from  kvm, it's not used any more (hal deprecation)
[10:21] <pitti> kirkland: kvm isn't maintained in bzr, is it?
[10:42] <slangasek> ttx: received, thanks
[10:55] <ion_> Has anyone else encountered LP #384579?
[10:57] <pitti> ion_: working fine here; what is it doing during that time?
[10:57] <ion_> I have no idea, except for what you can analyze from the bootchart. I haven’t got around to investigating it more yet.
[11:00] <pitti> ion_: could you run sudo /lib/udev/devkit-disks-part-id /dev/... on all your partitions and check if one of them reproduces the long hang?
[11:01] <pitti> ion_: replied in the bug
[11:01] <ion_> pitti: Ah! It hangs for /dev/fd0
[11:01] <ion_> pitti: Neither of the computers in question have a floppy drive.
[11:01] <pitti> ah, doesn't have anything in the drive, I suppose
[11:02] <pitti> heh
[11:02] <pitti> ion_: curious why you have a /dev/fd0 then; can you please also attach /var/log/udev ?
[11:02] <slangasek> until I read "floppy drive", my brain thought "/dev/fd0" was an alias for "/dev/stdin"
[11:02] <slangasek> how many people would notice if we made that true
[11:03] <ion_> sudo /lib/udev/devkit-disks-part-id "$p"  0.02s user 0.01s system 0% cpu 52.302 total
[11:03] <ion_> pitti: Will do, a moment...
[11:03] <pitti> /dev/stone_tablet0
[11:05] <ion_> pitti: Attached
[11:06] <ion_> I should probably take a look at the BIOS settings and disable the drive from there. But one would think the kernel could realize a drive doesn’t exist anyway.
[11:07] <pitti> ion_: the kernel detects an fd0 indeed, according to udev log
[11:07] <pitti> KERNEL[1244325984.817689] add      /devices/platform/floppy.0/block/fd0 (block)
[11:07] <pitti> has media:               1 (detected at su  7. kesÃ€kuuta 2009 03.05.53)
[11:07] <pitti> LIES!
[11:08] <ion_> pitti: Also in dmesg
[11:09] <ion_> lshw doesn’t list a floppy drive.
[11:09] <pitti> ion_: can you please run apport-collect on the bug, to collect kernel information?
[11:10] <pitti> ion_: nevermind, dmesg is there already
[11:10] <seb128> devicekit-disks doesn't seem floppy driver friendly, people who have a floppy drive get constant polling apparently too
[11:11] <seb128> it's like people were not expect floppy drives to still be used or something ;-)
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: it does that by defualt for all removable devices
[11:11] <pitti> seb128: but if that's causing trouble, please have them file a bug
[11:11] <pitti> we can certainly special-case floppies to not get polled
[11:12] <ion_> Amiga computers poll the floppy drives periodically, causing a click. And there’s a piece of software for AmigaOS that makes the poll clickless. :-)
[11:12] <seb128> pitti: bug #384469
[11:12] <seb128> pitti: well every time you poll on a floppy drive it makes noise
[11:12] <seb128> pitti: so yes, it's quickly annoy apparently ;-)
[11:13] <ion_> One would think it would be possible to do a noiseless poll with PC floppy drives as well.
[11:13] <pitti> ion_: well, one would think that floppies/cd-roms would generate an interrupt when a media is inserted..
[11:13] <ion_> True :-)
[11:13] <pitti> I'll deal with the floppy polling bug now
[11:14] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[11:14] <pitti> ion_: if you feel like it, can you please forward your detection bug to bugzilla.k.o.?
[11:14] <ion_> pitti: Will do
[11:15] <ion_> pitti: For Linux (or udev or devicekit-disks)?
[11:15] <pitti> ion_: linux, IMHO
[11:15] <pitti> if the kernel claims to have a floppy drive with media, then trying to open() it will hang and time out
[11:15] <pitti> I don't think this should be hacked around in userspace
[11:16] <ion_> Yeah
[11:26] <ion_> pitti: Which bug category to pick? :-) Drivers: Bugs related to device drivers; IO/Storage: Bugs related to IO; Platform Specific/Hardware: Bugs that are platform specific?
[11:26] <pitti> ion_: hm, I'd pick "storage"
[11:26] <slangasek> bugs with compound wings
[11:29] <ion_> pitti: Heh, there’s no “Ubuntu” or even “Other” option in the tree field. There’s Fedora, though.
[11:31] <pitti> ion_: we should be pretty close to git head, though (2.6.30rc8)
[11:44] <slangasek> cjwatson: from the discussion at UDS, should I go ahead and remove the 'server' seeds from kubuntu.karmic?
[11:46] <Riddell> please, I've been meaning to  do that for ages
[11:46] <cjwatson> yes, I think so
[11:49] <slangasek> done, ta
[11:51] <slangasek> dholbach: instead of acking sync bugs that are redundant, perhaps you could mark them invalid? :)
[11:55] <ion_> pitti: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13486 (now if i could just find the way to add a bug watch with Launchpad...)
[11:55] <pitti> ion_: thank you!
[11:57] <ion_> Ah, found it. ”Also affects project” first, then add the bugzilla URL.
[11:58] <pitti> ion_: done now; I linked the Ubuntu/linux package to the upstream product series, so adding upstream tasks should be easier in the future
[12:24] <ion_> pitti: The bug watch thinks the bug has been confirmed in bugzilla.k.o, even though it hasn’t.
[12:26] <pitti> ion_: sounds like a LP bug
[12:32]  * Keybuk tries to figure out which teams he needs to apply for membership for
[12:32] <Keybuk> I remembered to add myself to core-dev just in time ;)
[12:32] <slangasek> Keybuk: ~real-madrid?
[12:38] <asac> rfcXXXX.txt files are usually not dfsg free, right?
[12:40] <pitti> cjwatson: bug 384183> hm, where can I actually find the LP translations?
[12:40] <pitti> cjwatson: or doesn't that use LP at all, and we just import Debian's?
[12:41] <directhex> asac, IME, spec files are usually non-free
[12:41] <pitti> cjwatson: (just followed up on that)
[12:42] <asac> directhex: thx. thats what i thought too.
[12:42] <directhex> asac, debian bug 393373 is one example of it
[12:42] <cjwatson> pitti: I'll reply on the bug
[12:42] <directhex> asac, we had to hax mono 2.4 to remove a spec file (from now on, upstream will instead ship source generated from the spec file, which is Free)
[12:42] <asac> directhex: right. i am sure for ietf's ... but not so much for rfc's
[12:50] <slangasek> asac: EPARSE?  There's only one IETF :)
[12:51] <slangasek> but yes, unfortunately IETF RFCs generally have terms preventing free modification
[12:53] <Keybuk> sure
[12:54] <Keybuk> because modifying a standard somewhat defeats the point
[12:54] <Keybuk> you're allowed to resubmit it as a new standard with mods though
[12:54] <slangasek> Keybuk: I think you want #debian-devel for debating the DFSG :)
[12:55] <Keybuk> slangasek: oh, I wasn't debating the DFSG, I missed the context ;)
[12:55] <Keybuk> however such things are allowed under the Ubuntu Guidelines
[12:56] <dholbach> slangasek: sure, can do
 why does libclamunrar not build a -dev package?
[13:00] <ion_> Who is blink?
[13:00] <slangasek> my eyeballs
[13:18] <xnox> hello everyone =D
[13:18] <xnox> xubuntu jaunty source cd is size 0
[13:18] <xnox> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/release/source/
[13:19] <xnox> how would you like me to report this? I'm struggling to pick correct package in launchpad. Or shall just file a bug and subscrive archive maintainers to it?
[13:21] <slangasek> xnox: please use the ubuntu-cdimage project in launchpad
[13:22] <xnox> slangasek: thanks
[13:22] <siretart`> pitti: mplayer built, it needs NEW love now
[13:22] <siretart`> btw, do we have an ARM porting team?
[13:36] <ion_> mvo: I added more rambling to <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptSyncInKarmicSpec> recently.
[13:41] <pitti> siretart`: nice
[13:43] <quadrispro> I would work on findutils merge, isn't anyone already working on it?
[13:49] <slangasek> Riddell: is bug #376396 still in progress for alpha-2?
[13:50] <Riddell> slangasek: yes it is
[13:50] <steveire> cjwatson: ping?
[13:52] <\sh> pitti: you are writing emails with no content ;)
[13:52] <asac> hehe
[13:52] <pitti> \sh: uh, what?
[13:52] <asac> saw that too
[13:53] <asac> pitti: Message-ID<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:54] <Sikon> pitti, that's a surprisingly brief letter to ubuntu-devel :p
[13:55] <pitti> ugh, no idea how that happened
[14:02] <cjwatson> steveire: ok, I've reconstructed your disk layout here and reproduced the parted failure; building a debugging version to dig into it now ...
[14:03] <steveire> Awesome. If there's any more I can do to help, just shout out.
[14:11] <cjwatson> steveire: get me a faster disk ;-)
[14:11] <steveire> I can get you a bigger hamster to spin it ... :)
[14:12] <soren> Interesting. I would have expected most people in this channel to have easier access to faster disks than to bigger hamsters.
[14:12] <soren> ..but that's just me. :)
[14:18] <slangasek> cjwatson, ArneGoetje: Debian has dropped ttf-bitstream-vera, which is seeded citing dejavu as a replacement; do you know if it's reasonable for us to follow suit?
[14:19]  * slangasek grumbles about glibc continuing to show up in process-removals :)
[14:24] <siretart`> is ubuntu going to stick with glibc or do we follow debian with eglibc?
[14:38] <slangasek> calc: ping, re: OOo-l10n :)
[14:38] <pitti> slangasek: is it broken again?
[14:38] <slangasek> pitti: OOo-l10n-en-za is 8MB oversized
[14:38] <slangasek> calc said to nag him if he hadn't uploaded by Monday
[14:39] <pitti> slangasek: ah, so that will give us back some 6 MB of CD space? nice
[14:40] <slangasek> in theory it'll give us back a full 8MB on the alternate
[14:40] <pitti> -en-gb is 1.9 MB, I figure -en-za will have a similar size?
[14:40] <slangasek> on desktop I don't know, I guess if dupe file detection is good then there's no savings
[14:40] <pitti> ah, ok :/]
[14:41] <slangasek> I'm expecting -en-za to shrink back down to its jaunty size
[14:41]  * pitti repairs the smiley's chin
[14:54] <cody-somerville> pitti, Who approved LP #353080 ?
[14:56] <pitti> cody-somerville: it was a crash, and apparently a regression, so I accepted it into -proposed
[14:56] <pitti> unfortunately, motu-sru@ isn't responsive any more, so I guess ubuntu-sru has to do the decisions now?
[14:59] <cody-somerville> If there is a problem with the responsiveness of motu-sru then we should try and fix that issue, not totally disregard the currently accepted policies.
[15:01] <cjwatson> steveire: does your 8th partition (looks like a 2.5GB FAT32 partition) actually work?
[15:01] <cjwatson> steveire: it looks as if the problem is that its size in the partition table overflows the end of the disk
[15:03] <steveire> cjwatson: Well I've just mounted it without issue. I think it's some kind of Dell recovery partition.
[15:04] <cjwatson> steveire: hmm, the end of a FAT filesystem is a secondary copy of the filesystem headers IIRC
[15:04] <cjwatson> so maybe it just copes with those being missing or something
[15:04] <cjwatson> I'll carry on investigating
[15:04] <pitti> cody-somerville: oh, I thought that ubuntu-sru was a member of motu-sru; apparently I mixed that up with {motu,ubuntu}-release, sorry
[15:06]  * pitti uploads an apport package with interactive hook support to his PPA, go wild!
[15:06] <steveire> cjwatson: I have had issues with this disk before: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=904702. There's a Dell quick media thing or something which apparently messes them up.
[15:11] <cjwatson> steveire: can you confirm what 'parted -s /dev/sda print' in a terminal window in the installer says? For me, it says "Can't have a partition outside the disk!"
[15:11] <cjwatson> or a terminal window in an ordinary system I guess
[15:12] <steveire> Yes, I can confirm that.
[15:12] <steveire> It says the same
[15:12] <cjwatson> ok, so it's not just me getting the disk size wrong
[15:13] <cjwatson> I'll compare with the kernel source to see whether it does something different with respect to partitions that overflow the disk
[15:31] <calc> slangasek: will be getting it done today
[15:31] <slangasek> calc: ok
[15:42] <kirkland> pitti: no, kvm isn't
[15:42] <kirkland> pitti: i'm trying to get it syncing from git
[15:42] <kirkland> pitti: but it's run into a few issues
[15:42] <pitti> kirkland: well, that piece should bring you a step closer then :)
[15:43] <pitti> kirkland: if that is upstream, nevermind; it doesn't hurt, it's just not used any more
[15:43] <kirkland> pitti: hmm, dropping hal, is it back to kvm group for /dev/kvm permissions?
[15:43] <pitti> kirkland: no, automatic ACLs are done by udev-extras now
[15:43] <pitti> /lib/udev/rules.d/70-acl.rules
[15:43] <kirkland> pitti: so do i need to add something there?
[15:44] <pitti> kirkland: no, I already committed it upstream
[15:44] <kirkland> pitti: neat, thanks :-)
[15:53] <directhex> pitti, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/113/
[16:09] <cjwatson> steveire: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/9/219 looks sort of related; the kernel limits broken partitions like this to the disk size
[16:13] <cjwatson> steveire: if you're in a hurry, my advice would be to back up the contents of partition number 8 and then delete it
[16:13] <cjwatson> steveire: and probably also complain to your manufacturer
[16:14] <steveire> Just reading the link. I'll probably do that.
[16:14] <steveire> But should I be able to see kernel warning messages somewhere
[16:14] <steveire> ?
[16:17] <cjwatson> steveire: that's what I'm currently mystified about
[16:18] <cjwatson> steveire: can you look at dmesg after mounting /dev/sda8? AFAICS, you should get something
[16:18] <cjwatson> "sda: p8 size <blah> limited to size of disk" or some such
[16:18] <cjwatson> actually I think you should get it well before trying to mount it, but you don't seem to ...
[16:22] <steveire> Nothing: http://dpaste.com/52822/
[16:26] <cjwatson> steveire: could you put updated 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' output on the bug?
[16:26] <cjwatson> steveire: I know you posted it in the forums thread but the disk layout seems to have changed a bit since then
[16:27] <cjwatson> I'm just trying to double-check everything before I spam parted-devel upstream ...
[16:28] <steveire> Done
[16:28] <cjwatson> thanks
[16:51] <geser> pitti: as you merged pbuilder, could you sponsor bug 384284? or should I wait till after alpha-2?
[16:59] <nixternal> pitti: I am going to take a look at the apport-qt stuff unless someone has already gotten in touch with you about it
[17:10] <pitti> geser: sure, will do
[17:10] <pitti> geser: no, that shouldn't be blocked by alpha-2 at all, it's a dev tool
[17:10] <pitti> nixternal: oh, great! no, didn't get a response so far
[17:10] <pitti> nixternal: please let me know if you start working on it and have questions about how it should behave, etc.
[17:13] <pitti> geser: sorry for breaking it, and thanks for cleaning up after me
[17:20] <nixternal> pitti: ya, looking through it now...the code is pretty much self explainable thus far...I branched your interactive-hooks repo
[17:21] <pitti> nixternal: test with PYTHONPATH=. qt4/apport-qt -f -p pmount
[17:21] <pitti> nixternal: (assuming that you install pmount.py package hook)
[17:21]  * nixternal notes that down
[17:21] <pitti> you can pick any package name, of course
[17:22] <pitti> nixternal: I use this for testing: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/pmount.py
[17:22] <pitti> it uses all of the interactive functions
[17:22] <pitti> -> /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/pmount.py
[17:24] <nixternal> got it
[17:33] <nixternal> No module named packaging_impl - yay :(
[17:40] <pitti> re
[17:41] <pitti> nixternal: cp backends/packaging-apt-dpkg.py apport/packaging_impl.py
[17:44] <lajjr> hello pitti.
[17:44] <pitti> hey lajjr
[17:45] <lajjr> I was looking at the new bugs for apport
[17:46] <lajjr> I see there is some request for version (eg: apport-gtk -v apport-qt -v) and others.
[17:47] <lajjr> is there a reason I was going to use opt parse in python do you want me to use it or a different method.??
[17:47] <pitti> lajjr: apport/ui.py already uses optparse
[17:47] <pitti> lajjr: see parse_argv()
[17:47] <nixternal> pitti: beat you to it, thanks to bug reports :)
[17:47] <pitti> lajjr: so go ahead and add it
[17:47] <pitti> nixternal: great!
[17:48] <pitti> lajjr: so there needs to be some clever build-time hack to expose the version number from setup.py to apport/ui.py
[17:48] <lajjr> yea what I mean do you want me to add -version for apport-gtk apport-qt?
[17:48] <pitti> lajjr: or we could move the version number to ui.py and setup.py imports that and grabs it from there (probably much cleaner)
[17:48] <lajjr> well you don't want hard code do you?
[17:49] <nixternal> pitti: on the "Pick File" window, any specific file to pick?
[17:49] <pitti> lajjr: no need to add it to individual frontends; they all use apport/ui.py
[17:49] <pitti> nixternal: in the example? no
[17:49] <nixternal> roger that
[17:49] <pitti> nixternal: I just pick the first I come across
[17:49] <nixternal> ROFL!!!!
[17:49] <pitti> nixternal: look at the test hook, it just attaches it to the bug
[17:49] <nixternal> "I can has a bug report?"
[17:49] <nixternal> gahahahahahaha
[17:50] <nixternal> I didn't catch that in the code :)
[17:50] <pitti> nixternal: that's just from pmount.py, not from actual apport code :)
[17:50] <nixternal> I just had pmount.py open too and looked at it :)
[17:50] <pitti> lajjr: well, it needs to be hardcoded in exactly one place
[17:51] <lajjr> do you want it to pop up like gdb etc.
[17:51] <pitti> lajjr: right now that's setup.py, but there's no reason why we can't move it to ui.py and define __version__ there, for example
[17:52] <lajjr> ok define it no prob do you want me to add it to the list. For me?
[17:52] <pitti> lajjr: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3001/ says to use __version__, so let's do that
[17:52] <pitti> lajjr: if you want, sure
[17:52] <pitti> lajjr: thank youo
[17:52] <lajjr> no prob I will.
[17:53] <pitti> lajjr: I'll review your bug followups; are you subscribed to the bugs you commented on? or to apport bugs in general? (so that you'll see my replies)
[17:53] <lajjr> would you rather me make a branch so if it is approaved you can merge?
[17:54] <lajjr> yes I subscribed to some I better add the rest.
[17:55] <lajjr> I was going to send a quick mail with a list and what I proposed.
[17:57] <pitti> lajjr: sure, that should be convenient for both of us
[17:57] <lajjr> great.
[17:59] <pitti> lajjr: e. g. I just followed up on bug 372893
[17:59] <pitti> lajjr: (which is admittedly quite complex, and I reassigned it)
[18:00] <lajjr> So would like me to add some of the ones that will call optparse. Them to tasks I will do I see about 3 or so.
[18:01] <lajjr> oh sorry..
[18:02] <pitti> lajjr: as I said, apport/ui.py already uses optparse, just add it there
[18:03] <pitti> lajjr: no need to be sorry, just pointing out some bugs, so that you can get a better feeling about what goes where in apport :)
[18:03] <lajjr> yep that is what I mean.
[18:04] <lajjr> great..
[18:08] <lajjr> I will send an email with a few items I would like to take and do since it will be in same areas if ok.
[18:11] <lajjr> I will try to contact you later I have to get one of my children from school sick :(..
[18:38] <qaws> hello, I get an error "end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0" every 2 seconds, floppy drive is still rotating (no floppy inside) - it is caused by devkit-disks-da. Should I report it as a bug?
[18:39] <ion_> It has already been reported and is being fixed.
[18:40] <qaws> ion_, thx, what is the bug name pls?
[18:42] <ion_> I’ll look it up in a moment. If you want it sooner, check the bug list for devicekit-disks at launchpad.
[18:43] <qaws> ion_, thx, I have it, it is #384469
[18:50] <Keybuk> pitti: random Q about devkit-disks
[18:50] <Keybuk> the rules seem to duplicate a *lot* of what udev has already done
[18:50] <Keybuk> and worse, call vol_id - which, err, doesn't exist
[19:32] <geser> anyone got an idea how to debug why I don't have any acls (e.g. to access audio device files) set? (I'm on karmic)
[19:47] <nixternal> hrmm, to create a new ui or to utilize one that is close, but not that close... pitti any opinions there? does it matter if I create a question/choices ui instead of trying to utilize the QT4ReportDialog and promoting widgets
[19:49] <kees> can an archive admin check on linux 2.6.27-14.34 in intrepid NEW for -proposed ?
[21:38] <Kano> hi cjwatson , did you test unionfs-fuse against aufs2 yet?
[21:39] <Kano> cjwatson: tested with kvm, karmic iso default about 45s, aufs2 mod about 30s
[21:40] <Kano> i thought the target for next release was speed increase not slowdown ;)
[21:50] <mweichert> what version of Debian is Jaunty based on?
[21:54] <ion_> sid and experimental of the time
[22:05] <BUGabundo> pitti: are you around?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> wanna ask if Power Button breakage on Karmic is a known bug, and if it is related to FUSA or ACPI
[22:06] <BUGabundo> humm now that I think about it, it could be related to device kit, right?
[22:14] <tedg> BUGabundo: Which power button breakage?  What doesn't work?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> hi tedg
[22:15] <BUGabundo> tedg: pressing my laptop powerbutton on karmic, does nothing
[22:15] <BUGabundo> it used to popup the shutdown/reboot/hibernate window
[22:15] <BUGabundo> another user on +1 confirmed it too
[22:15] <tedg> BUGabundo: So if you turn on debugging in GNOME Power Manager you can see whether it's getting the keypress or not.
[22:16] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:16] <BUGabundo> please tell me how to do that tedg
[22:16] <tedg> BUGabundo: That'd be the first thing to check, if it's not getting the keypress that is likely due to the hotkeys fixes for karmic.
[22:17] <tedg> BUGabundo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingGNOMEPowerManager#Getting%20info%20from%20GPM
[22:17] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:27] <BUGabundo> tedg: running with nodaemon and pressing PowerButtons prints nothing
[22:27] <BUGabundo> is there anything I can run to make sure its running properly?
[22:35] <tedg> BUGabundo: You're running with verbose as well, right?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> tedg: $ gnome-power-manager --verbose --no-daemon
[22:35] <BUGabundo> as mentioned on the wiki
[22:37] <tedg> BUGabundo: Hmm, it should be printing all kinds of stuff... it generally is doing something.  Is this on a laptop?  Usually there are battery events.
[22:37] <BUGabundo> laptop with battery and AC
[22:38] <yoasif> BUGabundo: is this the bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/384890
[22:39] <BUGabundo> let me see
[22:40] <BUGabundo> yoasif: description fits
[22:40] <BUGabundo> tedg: can you take a look?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> I'll add my apport-colect too
[22:48] <tedg> BUGabundo: I think the next step is to see what HAL is sending.  I think that should be achievable using dbus-monitor, but I've not done it.
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> tedg / BUGabundo - gnome-power-manager is not responding to power button events from HAL because it was built without --enable-legacy-buttons at the last upload
[22:55] <chrisccoulson> gnome-power-manager doesn't listen to HAL events any more by default
[22:55] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: ok
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> it should probably be built with --enable-legacy-buttons still for now
[22:56] <BUGabundo> so is there a known bug open ?
[22:56] <chrisccoulson> i don't think so
[22:56] <BUGabundo> we can use the one from yoasif
[22:56] <BUGabundo> can you comment that there?
[22:56] <kees> hah, that's nice.  grub2 finds _all my chroots_.  :P
[22:57] <BUGabundo> lol kees
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> BUGabundo - yeah. but the correct fix is for your buttons to not produce HAL events
[22:57] <BUGabundo> chrisccoulson: humm didn't get that
[22:58] <chrisccoulson> i think that your power button should behave like a keyboard button and go through X instead
[22:59] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:59] <chrisccoulson> gnome-power-manager is only looking at keypresses by default now, unless built with hal support
[22:59] <BUGabundo> yoasif: seems that gsynaptics fixes the tap to click bug
[23:00] <yoasif> BUGabundo: does it persist after reboot? what does it do that the packagers aren't doing?
[23:02] <BUGabundo> yoasif: and old bug about this https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/133060
[23:02] <yoasif> BUGabundo: ah nice
[23:02] <BUGabundo> yoasif: no idea. another LoCo user on xubuntu karmic says it works for him
[23:06] <BUGabundo> yoasif: filed as https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/384968
[23:07] <yoasif> BUGabundo: very cool
[23:07] <BUGabundo> and just commented on the other 2 bugs
[23:07] <BUGabundo> to check for dupes or regression
[23:08] <yoasif> that reminds me, there was a major regression in jaunty in one of my other machines that i never filed :/
[23:11] <BUGabundo> thanks for the comment chrisccoulson
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> no problem
[23:20] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo, use gpointing-device-settings, gsynaptics is abandoned :D
[23:21] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: thanks. will let the user know
[23:27] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: humm can't see anythin new on the menu or Mouse tabs :(
[23:37] <Sarvatt> ahh sorry, theres no shortcut in the packaged one? can make one pointing to /usr/bin/gpointing-device-settings or just run gpointing-device-settings from terminal till thats fixed
[23:38] <BUGabundo> let me try that Sarvatt
[23:39] <BUGabundo> humm does nothing to me
[23:40] <BUGabundo> and tapping is activated
[23:40] <BUGabundo> but I still can tab or double tab
[23:45] <cjwatson> kees: linux/intrepid-proposed> accepted now
[23:45] <kees> cjwatson: great, thanks


[00:13] <szal> esmirlin: Chakra derives from Arch Linux, while Kubuntu is obviously an Ubuntu flavour..  and for discussing why someone uses this or that there's the offtopic section (#ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu-offtopic)
[00:27] <Kimlaroux> Akregator segfault when I try to add a facebook page as a new feed, anyone familiar with this bug?
[00:42] <Guest74371> why english women like so much black boys?
[00:42] <darthanubis> !abuse
[00:42] <darthanubis> !spam
[00:42] <darthanubis> !hate
[00:57] <T3LL0> Hello
[00:57] <T3LL0> I have a problem with kubuntu 11.10
[00:57] <T3LL0> everytime I put it in suspend mode
[00:57] <T3LL0> it freeze when trying to wakeup
[00:58] <T3LL0> it just show me a black screen and I cannot even go to TTY1 o any other
[00:58] <T3LL0> Ctrl+Alt+Del do not work either
[00:58] <T3LL0> I have to hard reset it, pressing power button a few seconds
[00:59] <T3LL0> can somebody help with this? cuz I realy preffer suspend it to shut it down
[01:01] <T3LL0> looks like many users online, but no one is really chating
[01:01] <T3LL0> or helping
[01:02] <EvilResistance> probably because users arent necessarily here
[01:02] <EvilResistance> T3LL0, or we dont know the solution
[01:02] <EvilResistance> therefore users say nothing
[01:02] <CaptainKnots> that issue could be one of a thousand things
[01:02] <CaptainKnots> depending on hardware profile, packages, kernel version, power settings, etc
[01:03] <T3LL0> it didn't happen before
[01:03] <EvilResistance> mhm
[01:03] <T3LL0> it's happening now with 11.10
[01:04] <CaptainKnots> T3LL0: do 'lspci | grep VGA' and pastebin the output
[01:04] <T3LL0> CaptainKnots: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[01:05] <EvilResistance> wait a second
[01:05] <EvilResistance> T3LL0, you posted the same about Ubuntu 11.10 in the ubuntu channel
[01:05] <EvilResistance> you cant run both Ubuntu and Kubuntu simultaneously
[01:06] <EvilResistance> so which is it you are using?
[01:06] <EvilResistance> KDE or Unity/GNOME?
[01:07] <T3LL0> KDE
[01:07] <T3LL0> but the same happend in gnome, cuz before I also try Gnome/Unity
[01:10] <EvilResistance> you cant actively seek support for both
[01:10] <EvilResistance> one or the other
[01:10] <EvilResistance> preferably whichever is the system you're actually using
[01:11] <EvilResistance> if you're on KDE, then #kubuntu
[01:11] <EvilResistance> if you're on Unity/GNOME, #ubuntu
[01:11] <EvilResistance> not both simultaneously
[01:14] <T3LL0> OK, thanks EvilResistance
[01:15] <T3LL0> EvilResistance: can you help me with this?
[01:21] <root> hola
[01:22] <T3LL0> hola root
[01:23] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Hello
[01:23] <Daskreech> What's your kernel version?
[01:26] <CaptainKnots> T3LL0: how many channels are you going to spam with issues at once?
[01:26] <T3LL0> Daskreech: how can I find my kernel version in KDE (I always use gnome :-))
[01:27] <T3LL0> CaptainKnots: untill I find a fix
[01:27] <Daskreech> CaptainKnots: I asked him here. Leave him be for a little
[01:27] <Daskreech> T3LL0: uname -r in a terminal
[01:27] <T3LL0> CaptainKnots: and I'm not spam
[01:27] <Daskreech> Assuming that T3LL0 is a he
[01:28] <T3LL0> Daskreech: 3.0.0-12-generic, and I'm a HE :-p
[01:29] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Im' just saying
[01:29] <T3LL0> Daskreech: is this a problem with the kernel?
[01:30] <Daskreech> T3LL0: It's a problem with drivers. Some chipsets won't wake up and it could be your wifi or sound chipsets as well as the Motherboard's
[01:30] <Daskreech> I presume this is a laptop?
[01:31] <T3LL0> Daskreech: It is a netbook, but before it just work well
[01:31] <Daskreech> T3LL0: What is "before" ?
[01:31] <T3LL0> this start happening with this version of ubuntu
[01:31] <T3LL0> Daskreech: before I mean previous versions
[01:31] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Ah interesting. Did you upgrade or do a new install?
[01:32] <T3LL0> I did also used Arch with the latest kernel and it work well
[01:32] <T3LL0> I did a a new install
[01:33] <T3LL0> I'm not the only one. there are many people with the same problem, but no one know how to fix it
[01:36] <T3LL0> I google a fix, but no one has the answer
[01:36] <T3LL0> It is weird and I don't like to shutdown, but suspend
[01:37] <Daskreech> What netbook?
[01:37] <T3LL0> Daskreech: ASUS EeePC 1000HD
[01:40] <Daskreech> ok
[01:42] <T3LL0> is something with this version
[01:43] <T3LL0> cuz in Arch with all the bleeding edge apps, works well
[01:43] <T3LL0> Daskreech: it also happened with Unity version
[01:45] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Arch might have a newer (or older) kernel
[01:47] <T3LL0> I think newr Daskreech, so it could be the kernel then
[01:48] <T3LL0> any way to upgrade it Daskreech?
[01:50] <Daskreech> T3LL0: of course but I'm looking at any known issues with that netbook
[01:50] <Daskreech> Could you pastebin the output of lsmod for me?
[01:55] <T3LL0> Daskreech: http://paste.kde.org/149228/
[01:55] <T3LL0> Daskreech: thank you for taking the time to help me
[01:57] <Daskreech> Hmmm
[01:57] <cosimo321> hey guys, installing an application but it returns cannot fine kde-devel, which packages have to be installed for this?
[01:57] <cosimo321> find
[01:57] <Daskreech> The driver modules that are normally known to prevent suspend aren't loaded
[01:59] <Daskreech> T3LL0: are you running btrfs ?
[02:00] <Daskreech> !info kdelibs5-dev | cosimo321
[02:01] <cosimo321> Daskreech,  thanks guy
[02:02] <T3LL0> Daskreech: btrfs? I don't think so, let me check
[02:03] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Just saw the kernel module loaded didn't think that came by default
[02:04] <T3LL0> Daskreech: no, I'm using ext4
[02:04] <T3LL0> I always use ext4
[02:05] <Daskreech> ok makes more sense :)
[02:06] <Daskreech> T3LL0: You can get the old kernel from packages.ubuntu.com if you like
[02:09] <kierkkadon> How do I change the default programs in Kubuntu? For example, how do I set up VLC as my default video media application?
[02:11] <Daskreech> kierkkadon: alt+F2 -> default
[02:12] <kierkkadon> Daskreech, Yeah, I found that earlier, but it doesn't let me change the defaults for media files
[02:12] <T3LL0> Daskreech: thanks I'll check
[02:13] <kierkkadon> Just email, .txt, file manager, browser, etc.
[02:14] <Daskreech> T3LL0: search for kernel on Narwhal
[02:15] <Daskreech> kierkkadon: Oh hmm. Ok alt+f2 -> associations
[02:16] <T3LL0> Daskreech: which one? http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/kernel/
[02:17] <kierkkadon> Oh yeah, that's it
[02:17] <kierkkadon> thanks, Daskreech
[02:19] <ithr14eveR> Hola
[02:20] <Daskreech> hi
[02:21] <ithr14eveR> alguien habla spain por aqi ??
[02:22] <kaddi> !es
[02:22] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Looking.
[02:22] <ithr14eveR> thanks
[02:24] <T3LL0> Daskreech: what about this http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[02:25] <T3LL0> there are all the kernels for ubuntu
[02:25] <Daskreech> I wouldn't install a kernel from a PPA unless I knew who built them
[02:25] <Kimlaroux> Did 10.04 just received a whole kde upgrade? Or is my apt just freaking out?
[02:26] <Daskreech> T3LL0: you arel ooking for http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/linux-image
[02:27] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: Mebbe both?
[02:28] <T3LL0> Daskreech: OK, I wasn't on that link. Thanks
[02:28] <T3LL0>  I'll check
[02:29] <Kimlaroux> nothing on kubuntu.org news, is there some other place where they announce upgrades?
[02:29] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: No there isn't
[02:29] <T3LL0> Daskreech: wich one should I use? Generic or generic-pae?
[02:29] <Daskreech> T3LL0: Do you need PAE ?
[02:29] <T3LL0> I don't know :-/
[02:30] <Daskreech> But asking that  question probably means you need Generic
[02:30] <T3LL0> OK, thanks.
[02:30] <juan_> kde wont let me unlock the screen but i know the passwd is right and the keyboard is working
[02:31] <T3LL0> maybe your keyboard is using a different layout
[02:31] <T3LL0> juan_: ^
[02:32] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: I'm asking
[02:32] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: what version is it proposing to install?
[02:32] <Kimlaroux> my apt just wants to upgrade 66 packeages, which seems to be all of KDE
[02:33] <juan_> T3LL0: dont think so i login on terminal then login after killing the screenlocker and keylayout is correct
[02:33] <T3LL0> Daskreech: have I to compile the kernel?
[02:34] <Daskreech> T3LL0: No it's already packaged for you
[02:34] <juan_> what are the default permisions on /bin/login?
[02:34] <T3LL0> deb?
[02:35] <Daskreech> yes
[02:35] <Daskreech> -rwxr-xr-x. owned by root juan_
[02:36] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: Right. What versions is it proposing to upgrade them to?
[02:37] <Kimlaroux> 4.4.5
[02:37] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: when did it ask for the upgrade?
[02:37] <Daskreech> Just today?
[02:38] <Kimlaroux> yep, it just did
[02:38] <Kimlaroux> I'm on 10.04
[02:38] <shashank> hi can anyone suggest a good guitar prcoessing software of kubuntu???
[02:39] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: KDE4.4.5-0ubuntu1.2 ?
[02:40] <Kimlaroux> there's a -4:4.4.5-0ubuntu1.2 appending every packages when I look in Kpackagekit, How do I get more details thru apt-get?
[02:46] <Daskreech> Kimlaroux: Sounds like it's an update http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-1276-1/
[02:47] <Daskreech> Security patch for all covered versions of KDE
[02:48] <Kimlaroux> Ah! thanks, that's what I was looking for =) I'll look for some rss I can subscribe to for receiving such information
[02:49] <Daskreech> !find guitar
[02:50] <Daskreech> shashank: No idea if those are any good
[02:50] <virgil> Is unity any good
[02:50] <Daskreech> virgil: If you think it is
[02:51] <virgil> I use kde on kubuntu haven't tried unity yet
[02:51] <Daskreech> shashank:  http://linux-sound.org/guitar.html might help though I don't know how old that page is
[02:51] <Daskreech> virgil: Yo ucan download the Ubuntu live Cd and try it
[02:51] <shashank> Daskreech. thank you. will check it out
[02:53] <virgil> what is the best game on Kubuntu
[02:58] <Daskreech> virgil: The ones you like :)
[02:58] <Daskreech> !best
[03:03] <CaptainKnots> virgil: minecraft
[03:04] <virgil> Thanks captain
[03:39] <kierkkadon> What's a good ANSI C compiler?
[03:47] <Daskreech> gcc
[03:47] <Roey> llvm
[03:47] <Roey> (just being contrary)
[06:26] <akis_gr> does a hucker can have access to my system if i am log in using user password or do i have to enable /home ancryption?
[07:10] <e66> hello, How can I give a user permission to open my windows drives by clicking their icon in places menu?  I can open it with my account. But when anyother user try to open it from their account. they can not. It asks for my password
[07:20] <shiplu`at`kubunt> hello, How can I give a user permission to open my windows drives by clicking their icon in places menu?  I can open it with my account. But when anyother user try to open it from their account. they can not. It asks for my password
[07:34] <Daskreech> shiplu`kubuntuD`: Set it to users instead of user in the /etc/fstab file
[07:36] <shiplu`kubuntuD`> Daskreech: I didn't change anything in /etc/fstab. It just mounts automatically upon clicking
[07:36] <shiplu`kubuntuD`> I think its the default behavior of Ubuntu.
[07:37] <shiplu`kubuntuD`> problem is it works for my account(shiplu). But seeks my password for other account(sharmin)
[08:32] <stephen8341> I upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 and the 'window decoration' does not work. It sticks out farther than the window content and the buttons only appear in maximized mode. How do i fix it?
[08:32] <Daskreech> shiplu`kubuntuD`: Sorry stepped off. But if you want to add your second account to the admin group that should make it easier
[08:33] <Daskreech> or set any user to be able to mount that drive by changing the permission to "users" in /etc/fstab which will allow any user to mount or unmount it
[08:33] <Daskreech> kwin --replace ?
[08:34] <shiplu`kubuntuD`> usermod -aG admin user2 will do?
[08:35] <Daskreech> shiplu`kubuntuD`: should
[08:37] <shiplu`kubuntuD`> I can not test it as I have to provide this support to someone else over phone. and I am using kubuntu which does not have mount up on click thingy.
[08:42] <stephen8341> sorry. i typed wrong. the upgrade was from 11.04 to 11.10. and the border stuf (window decorations) isnt working right. does anyone know how to fix it?
[08:55] <stephen8341> brb
[09:01] <stephen8341> I downloaded the trim option and it fixed the window border problem. Have a good day all.
[13:02] <Guest51576> Всем привет
[13:04] <robot__> 66
[13:13] <guid> salut
[13:14] <guid> je bosse dans un projet collaboratif en GPL et vient le moment où on s'interroge sur la politique des copyrights (cession des droits sur les patchs, etc)
[13:14] <guid> et je cherche à savoir comment font les autres dans ce cas là
[13:25] <szal> !fr | guid
[13:29] <guid> OMG, sorry, confusion ;)
[13:57] <Aprendiz_> hi all
[13:58] <Aprendiz_> I have problems with kwallet
[13:58] <Aprendiz_> In each session ask me for passwords although I say remember the password
[13:58] <Aprendiz_> I have reset the kdewallet and the same
[13:58] <Aprendiz_> I am using kubuntu 11.10
[14:00] <Aprendiz_> anyone with the same problem?
[14:01] <Peace-> Aprendiz_: mmm
[14:01] <Peace-> Aprendiz_: password for what?
[14:02] <Aprendiz_> imap and samba for example
[14:03] <Peace-> Aprendiz_: i have solved in this way...
[14:03] <Peace-> Aprendiz_: because of i am lazy i have created my kwallat without password :D
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:04] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :P
[14:06] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[14:06] <Aprendiz_> Peace-: I don't understand
[14:07] <BluesKaj> heh, I'm lazier ...kwallet is disabled here ..it's nothing but pita for my setup
[14:07] <Peace-> BluesKaj: xD
[14:08] <Peace-> Aprendiz_: when you use kwallet it ask you to set a kwallet's password i leave it empty
[14:08] <Peace-> so it doesn't ask me for it everytime
[14:09] <Aprendiz_> Peace-: can I change that in preferences?
[14:09] <Peace-> wait
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Open the configuration dialogue (Settings > Configure), and uncheck "Enable the KDE Wallet subsystem"
[14:13] <synsveta> Hello all
[14:14] <synsveta> I have installed kernel 3.1 and rebooted. All is work, but when I try to use text terminal (Ctrl + Alt + F1) i dont see the text. Instead of it i see part of splash image.
[14:15] <synsveta> What can I do to fix it out?
[14:15] <Peace-> synsveta: use another kernel ?
[14:15] <Peace-> xD
[14:15] <synsveta> working*
[14:15] <synsveta> )))
[14:15] <synsveta> Do you think kernel is reason?
[14:15] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i am using kde-neon x)
[14:16] <Peace-> synsveta: well it could
[14:16] <synsveta> I've tried to boot 3.0.13 and it is ok.
[14:16] <Peace-> try with another kernel and see if your situation change
[14:16] <Peace-> so it's the kernel
[14:16] <Peace-> x)
[14:16] <synsveta> hmmm
[14:16] <BluesKaj> neon project not my cuppa tea
[14:16] <synsveta> This is very strange.
[14:17] <Peace-> synsveta: i don't undestand something...
[14:17] <Peace-> why user upgrades kernel when his\her hardware works with it?
[14:17] <synsveta> I mean how kernel can brake terminals...
[14:18] <synsveta> Actually just for test
[14:18] <Peace-> have you an intel?
[14:18] <synsveta> CPU or video card?
[14:18] <Peace-> video
[14:18] <synsveta> no. I have geforce.
[14:19] <Peace-> xD nvidia
[14:19] <synsveta> yes it is
[14:19] <Peace-> well computer and kernels are complex things
[14:19] <synsveta> what's fun?
[14:19] <Peace-> well nvdia and ati users are alwayer here saying they have problem
[14:20] <Peace-> the problem is the driver
[14:20] <Peace-> the most of time
[14:20] <Peace-> s
[14:20] <synsveta> heh
[14:21] <synsveta> ok. But why this trouble did not come to 3.0?
[14:21] <Peace-> because maybe the kernel and the driver works better togher
[14:21] <synsveta> And I think that kernel use mesa drivers actually when it is loading
[14:22] <Peace-> i dunno i use intel and with intel i had never so many problems
[14:25] <synsveta> are you nvidia-denier?
[14:25] <synsveta> )))
[14:25] <Peace-> i use what works well
[14:25] <Peace-> if works i will buy if not...
[14:26] <synsveta> I got it. But I  use photoshop sometimes too.
[14:26] <Peace-> i am here since 4 year and i think intel is the best for what i have to do..
[14:27] <Peace-> synsveta: so? you can't use photoshop with an intel video carD?
[14:27] <synsveta> I don't exactly know, but I think nvidia is better for my tasks
[14:27] <Peace-> ok :)
[14:29] <synsveta> I mean for photoshop
[14:29] <BluesKaj> synsveta, nvidia has good linux support ..as far as photoshop is concerned those are windows and mac issues
[14:30] <synsveta> I dont think that it is because of nvidia.
[14:31] <synsveta> Because how I already said all is ok with 3.0 kernel
[14:31] <synsveta> Did someone else installed kernel 3.1?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> synsveta, photoshop won't run on linux , even with wine , so it's offtopic actually
[14:32] <synsveta> I no need photoshop now
[14:32] <szal> synsveta: there is no 3.1 kernel other than the UNSUPPORTED mainline kernel w/o *buntu-specific patches
[14:33] <synsveta> I have problems with tty terminals
[14:33] <synsveta> http://www.upubuntu.com/2011/11/how-to-install-kernel-31-on-ubuntu.html
[14:33] <synsveta> I did like that
[14:34] <synsveta> Is it bad way?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> synsveta, 3.1 is risky for 11.10
[14:36] <BluesKaj> it's the default kernel for 12.04
[14:36] <synsveta> Ok
[14:36] <synsveta> Im sorry then. I thought I have freedome to use 3.1
[14:37] <synsveta> freedom*
[14:37] <synsveta> anyway thx!
[14:37] <BluesKaj> well. you can try it but why ..doybt that it has any advantages on 11.10
[14:38] <BluesKaj> err doubt
[14:38] <synsveta> simply before I was using arch linux)))
[14:38] <synsveta> I thought here is te same.
[14:58] <kai_> 中文频道是多少?
[15:00] <kai_> 这里大家说中文么
[15:04] <antoinev> kai_: english only
[15:45] <anoop> in 11.10 apper software management tool shows some problem
[15:45] <anoop> it lists the updates, when click apply it did not ask for the authentication
[15:46] <anoop> and soon it shows error msg for invalid authentication
[15:46] <anoop> any clue?
[15:53] <m_tadeu> hi...sometimes the xorg process starts taking a lot of processor(around 40% when usualy takes around 12%). why is this happening?
[16:25] <xncow> adf
[16:26] <xncow> asdf
[17:00] <in0cula> is there a way to decrease the brightness of the lcd screen? i reduced to the lower but still to bright
[17:26] <AndyUbuntu> helolo
[17:36] <esmirlin> hi folk! just a question, is anyone using xbar? i do and  i have a little question about it, when no app is focused, the xbar has a message: "In order to customize...blablabla" so i go to the site they give and there i can find the route of the mainmenu.html to modify it, but then when trying to find this file in my kubuntu, it seems not existing
[17:41] <genii-around> !info xbar
[17:41] <genii-around> !info xbar natty
[17:41] <genii-around> hm
[17:42] <esmirlin> but i compiled it, i'm using it actually
[17:43] <esmirlin> genii-around:
[17:44] <genii-around> esmirlin: How can we support third-party software?
[17:45] <esmirlin> genii-around: i just need to know where the compiled files go... that's all
[17:45] <esmirlin> thanks anyway
[17:45] <genii-around> esmirlin: When you compile a program from scratch, the files go where the Makefile for the compiling tell it. So it can be almost anyplace
[17:46] <esmirlin> genii-around: and is there anyway to it?
[17:46] <genii-around> ( and not necessarily where default (K)ubuntu packages put things )
[17:46] <genii-around> esmirlin: You could try like: locate mainmenu.html
[17:47] <esmirlin> nothing happened
[17:48] <genii-around> esmirlin: Try first then: sudo updatedb   then: locate mainmenu.html     ( or whatever the file is supposed to be called )
[17:49] <esmirlin> oki ill do brb
[17:50] <esmirlin> nope, no result
[17:51] <genii-around> esmirlin: Then that file is not on your computer.
[17:56] <genii-around> esmirlin: According to http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net/xbar.html  the file you want is /home/your-username/.kde/share/apps/XBar/MainMenu.xml   and not mainmenu.html at all
[17:57] <esmirlin> ups right, but even this way i don't find it :S
[17:58] <genii-around> esmirlin: What says result of: ls ~/.kde/share/apps/XBar
[17:58] <genii-around> ( and remember that uppcase and lowercase are important to specify )
[17:58] <esmirlin> ls: no se puede acceder a /home/victor/.kde/share/apps/XBar: No existe el archivo o el directorio
[17:58] <esmirlin> like it does'nt exist (the directory or the file)
[18:01] <tobias> hi
[18:02] <Guest58870> waht goes on?
[18:03] <Tobi97> muhaha
[18:03] <Tobi97> isn´t someone here?
[18:04] <genii-around> People are here.  No one's asked a Kubuntu support question to answer yet.
[18:07] <Tobi97> hö
[18:07] <Tobi97> hö
[18:07] <Tobi97> höh
[18:07] <Tobi97> höh
[18:07] <Tobi97> hö
[18:07] <Tobi97> hhöh
[18:07] <Tobi97> öh
[18:07] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> hö
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> öh
[18:08] <Tobi97> öh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> öh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <Tobi97> öh
[18:08] <Tobi97> höh
[18:08] <DarthFrog> Please stop that.
[18:08] <D-coy> :P
[18:08] <DarthFrog> Thank you Pici.
[18:09] <genii-around> Man. You leave for a minute or two and people go crazy.
[18:09] <Pici> np
[18:09] <D-coy> FloodBotK1 fail. ..
[18:34] <kubuntu8434> Hi there, I am running kubuntu (i386) from the current livecd; how do i install flash player? I can see youtube videos in reddit, which seem to be embedded with the html5 version, but when I click play there is sound but no video!
[18:35] <kubuntu8434> Same problem if i try to view the video on youtube, sound but no video
[18:36] <kubuntu8434> I am using the default browser, rekonq
[18:36] <DarthFrog> !flash | kubuntu8434
[18:40] <kubuntu8434> ubottu: it says I can install flash from the ubuntu software centre, but when I search for flash the only results are KWordQuiz and Parley
[18:40] <kubuntu8434> er DarthFrog even
[18:42] <genii-around> !multiverse
[18:44] <kubuntu8434> genii-around: trying to follow the instructions in that first link, there is no "Add and Remove Software" applet, so I get stuck there (also "Computer Administration" seems to have been replaced by "System Administration" so I guess the page is out of date)
[18:48] <kubuntu8434> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer does the trick :)
[18:48] <kubuntu8434> Thanks for your suggestions
[18:55] <SICK> hello
[18:55] <SICK> i'm having trouble upgrading my kubuntu 11.04
[18:55] <genii-around> !details
[18:56] <SICK> i can not upgrade to 11.10. the upgrade script just returns 1 after fetching package lists and i can not create an error report
[18:58] <SICK> however, apt-get upgrade seems to work, as it holds back some packages. but dist upgrade does not work
[18:59] <genii-around> SICK: what shows the result of: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:59] <genii-around> !pastebin
[19:05] <genii-around> SICK: I assist only in the channel and not in private message, sorry. dist-upgrade does not bump your Ubuntu version but only brings it up to the most recent kernel for it. To go to the next version, you require: sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:06] <SICK> alright ill try that, thank you
[19:08] <kubuntu8434> I found a bug with the flip switch mode for alt-tab
[19:09] <kubuntu8434> The flip occurs on the display of the current application rather than my primary display
[19:09] <kubuntu8434> There is no option to change it
[19:09] <SICK> fyi it turned out that kdevelop was blocking the update. its running fine now.
[19:10] <kubuntu8434> Hmm it's not as simple as that
[19:11] <kubuntu8434> I can't find any logic in which display it appears on
[19:11] <kubuntu8434> Even when alt-tab from the same application, it alternates from one display to the other
[19:12] <genii-around> SICK: Ah, good.
[19:23] <bkubicek> seen pipakin
[19:23] <bkubicek> seen pipakin?
[19:30] <avihay__> did someone answer me? I got disconnected multiple times :-<
[19:43] <nmvictor> Kubuntu does not notify me when my screen brightness is adjusting using the fn+x combination. When the AC is unplugged, i also dont get the automagic dim screen to save my power. Any help?
[19:50] <genii-around> nmvictor: Is package laptop-mode-tools installed?
[20:57] <[Relic]> The package that is being modified was not found on your system or in any software origin.  <- some sort of cleaning routine to fix whatever is causing that through apt?
[20:59] <brambleclaw> hey i am currently running kubuntu 11.10 and have the Muon Software Center. i was downloading the program "platinum arts sandbox gamemaker" and it froze. i restarted my computer and i haven't been able to download any updates or programs  with the error message "Another application seems to be using the package system at this time. You must close all other package managers before you will be able to install or remove any packag
[20:59] <BarkingFish> brambleclaw: you probably have a stale lock in place
[21:00] <BarkingFish> try opening a terminal (konsole) and typing: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:00] <brambleclaw> ok how can i fix it?
[21:01] <BarkingFish> you could also try the following (also in a terminal): ps aux  | grep dpkg
[21:01] <brambleclaw> ok kool
[21:02] <BarkingFish> if that doesn't work, come back and we'll try some more to get you sorted out
[21:02] <brambleclaw> :) alright
[21:05] <brambleclaw> ok i've used the "sudo dpkg --configure -a" action in the konsole and it is giving me a changing 8 didget number, a "K/s" and an eta about 81 minutesa
[21:06] <brambleclaw> and alot about resloving www.sandboxgamemaker.com
[21:08] <brambleclaw> BarkingFish: there was an online documen paster i was instructed to use do you know what that was and do you want me to use it to show you what i have?
[21:08] <BarkingFish> yes, that would be http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:08] <brambleclaw> ok cool thanks
[21:09] <BarkingFish> use it, and remember to put the url of the document when it's pasted, back into this channel - or we won't find your paste :)
[21:11] <BarkingFish> what the dpkg command is doing is checking all your repositories, all your sources, and reconfiguring itself. Effectively, it's mending itself from the interrupted download
[21:12] <brambleclaw> ok thanks
[21:12] <brambleclaw> sorry it's taking so long my mouse doesn't like this computer
[21:13] <brambleclaw> here you go
[21:13] <brambleclaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/746373/
[21:13] <BarkingFish> hah :) Mine is broken, I cracked the case on my laser mouse 2 nights ago, and now it won't work on my mousepad.
[21:13] <BarkingFish> I can only use it on my jeans :)
[21:13] <brambleclaw> :P yuck
[21:14] <brambleclaw> my mousport is broken and my usb doesn't function properly so i switch between two different mouses LOL
[21:14] <BarkingFish> ok, are you running a mixed kde / gnome system?
[21:15] <brambleclaw> i don't know. i think so?
[21:15] <brambleclaw> how do i find out?
[21:15] <BarkingFish> it looks like it - your download process looks different to the regular one on Kubuntu
[21:16] <BarkingFish> brambleclaw: how did you get kubuntu?  Did you start with ubuntu and add the kubuntu-desktop package, or did you install kubuntu first?
[21:17] <brambleclaw> i installed kubuntu from a homemade cd from kubuntu.com
[21:18] <BarkingFish> hm... looks like it's a mixed system then, you've got some packages which will only work properly in gnome, they weren't made for kde, like timidity for example
[21:18] <brambleclaw> ok?
[21:18] <brambleclaw> so do i need to fix that?
[21:18] <BarkingFish> it's not a problem, i was just looking at the download procedure and wondering how you were set up.
[21:19] <brambleclaw> oh ok
[21:19] <BarkingFish> Not unless you want to, but some run pure kde and nothing else
[21:19] <BarkingFish> others keep the gnome stuff to a bare minimum
[21:19] <brambleclaw> ok
[21:19] <brambleclaw> yeah i just redid the OS cuase the cd i had last time had errors on it
[21:19] <BarkingFish> so all you need to do now is wait until the dpkg command finishes, and have another go at getting your packages.
[21:20] <brambleclaw> ok cool thanks :)
[21:20] <BarkingFish> You might also want to switch to a different package installer, like apper for example - muon does have problems with stuff
[21:20] <BarkingFish> i've had package installs break in muon which have worked with apper for example
[21:20] <BarkingFish> brb
[21:21] <[Relic]> still getting errors here :(
[21:21] <brambleclaw> yeah i had apper till i redid the system
[21:21] <brambleclaw> and before that KpackageKit
[21:21] <BarkingFish> kpackagekit is now apper, the UI got redesigned, but it's essentially the same software with a facelift :)
[21:23] <brambleclaw> oh ok kool
[21:24] <brambleclaw> do i download apper from the muon or from somewhere else?
[21:28] <BarkingFish> brambleclaw: you can do it from the konsole when you've finished repairing the dpkg configuration
[21:28] <BarkingFish> all you do is type: sudo apt-get install apper
[21:28] <BarkingFish> and it will go get the package and install it for you.
[21:29] <brambleclaw> ok cool
[21:30] <robin0800> ! apper
[21:41] <brambleclaw> BarkingFish: sorry my internet card died
[21:42] <BarkingFish> no problem
[21:42] <brambleclaw> thanks
[21:42] <BarkingFish> did it die on the machine that was fixing itself?
[21:43] <brambleclaw> what do you mean?
[21:43] <brambleclaw> the konsole?
[21:43] <BarkingFish> the machine you ran the dpkg command on, is that still connected to the net?
[21:44] <brambleclaw> it is now
[21:44] <brambleclaw> i restarted the dpkg and it seems to be working ok
[21:44] <BarkingFish> so can you just check, did the dpkg command finish?
[21:44] <brambleclaw> 33% 38 min
[21:45] <brambleclaw> not done yet
[22:32] <brambleclaw> BarkingFish: ok it fineshed downloading and i think it's asking me to restart my system i'll paste what i got
[22:33] <BarkingFish> brambleclaw: paste it up, then restart your system - I'll look over what you pasted while you're gone :)
[22:33] <brambleclaw> ok cool
[22:33] <brambleclaw> http://paste.ubuntu.com/746455/
[22:33] <brambleclaw> here it is
[22:33] <brambleclaw> brb
[22:34] <BarkingFish> ok, see you in a bit :)
[22:34] <brambleclaw> cool
[22:39] <brambleclaw> ok i is back
[22:40] <brambleclaw> BarkingFish: ok i'm back
[22:40] <BarkingFish> cool :)
[22:40] <brambleclaw> :)
[22:40] <brambleclaw> so should i try to install my updates now?
[22:41] <BarkingFish> yes, that'd be a good idea.
[22:41] <brambleclaw> ok col
[22:41] <BarkingFish> you can either do it from apper, or from your command line
[22:41] <brambleclaw> oh yeah i gotta get apper
[22:41] <BarkingFish> to do it from your command line - sudo apt-get update
[22:42] <brambleclaw> it was on my notifacations bar should i use that or the terminal
[22:42] <brambleclaw> ?
[22:42] <BarkingFish> yep, well when you open apper, just hit the updates button on the first screen, then click apply to accept all the updates
[22:42] <brambleclaw> yeah
[22:42] <BarkingFish> use apper to start with - if it doesn't work, try it from the command line
[22:43] <brambleclaw> ok kool
[22:43] <brambleclaw> yay it works
[22:46] <brambleclaw> i've been getting alot if updates for cups
[22:51] <brambleclaw> ok i'm back
[22:51] <brambleclaw> sorry i left
[22:54] <seccunda> szveiki
[22:54] <seccunda> hello
[22:54] <seccunda> qa bane
[22:54] <seccunda> privet
[22:55] <szal> !english
[22:55] <seccunda> ok
[22:55] <seccunda> can may i ask someone
[22:55] <szal> !ask
[22:56] <seccunda> im running oscam server on ubuntu
[22:56] <seccunda> i cant set smartreader as smartreader protocol
[23:11] <brambleclaw> BarkingFish: thanks for all the help
[23:11] <BarkingFish> no problem, brambleclaw - you're more than welcome
[23:12] <brambleclaw> :)
[23:12] <brambleclaw> bye yalls
[23:20] <arrrghhh> hey all.  anyone help me with samba?
[23:21] <arrrghhh> one computer is working just fine.  the other... can see the far end, but i get a connection unsuccessful message


[11:59] <unggnu> hi all
[12:00] <unggnu> Can somebody have a look at the back trace on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/138094. I am not sure if it is usable since X doesn't really crash but maybe it helps or at least someone have an idea how to get better information.
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138094 in xorg "[Gutsy] desktop and keyboard freezes while mouse is moveable" [Undecided,New]
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #68150 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "screensaver crashes X on IBM X40 (opengl related?)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68150
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #164892 in xserver-xorg-video-nv (main) "Please sync a new version from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164892
[18:20] <tormod> without xsfbs, how should one make an orig.tar.gz?
[18:26] <tjaalton> tormod: what are you packaging?
[18:33] <tormod> tjaalton: radeonhd, from Debian git
[18:33] <tjaalton> jcristau mentioned yesterday to make a release later this weekend
[18:35] <tormod> ok maybe I just wait for that then. I keep posting test packages on XorgOnTheEdge
[18:36] <tormod> and I had this script doing the whole stuff from http://wiki.debian.org/XTips
[18:36] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[18:44] <tormod> tjaalton: reading your https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/GitUsage now: "put the tarball in the parent directory before running debuild"
[18:44] <tormod> where does the tarball come from?
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #164902 in xorg (main) "cannot run LiveCD on Inspiron 1100 (intel 845GL)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164902
[18:56]  * tormod reads http://wiki.debian.org/GitSrc
[19:15] <tjaalton> from upstream if it's released
[19:16] <tjaalton> but if it's a random git version, then you just need to build it yourself I guess :)
[19:17] <tjaalton> sauna ->


[00:01] <samertm> vthompson: awesome! thanks so much. I've been staring at this monitor for way too long, so I'm going to go eat.
[00:01] <vthompson> samertm, enjoyQ
[00:01] <vthompson> er, enjoy!
[00:10] <doflah> vthompson, I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1272154
[00:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1272154 in Ubuntu Music App "New or Edit Playlist dialog should have a text box with a different tint from the background" [Low,Triaged]
[00:11] <vthompson> doflah, that's a picky little bug I filed
[00:11] <doflah> it looks like only the foreground color is exposed in the API, shouldn't there be a background color property as well?
[00:14] <vthompson> doflah, well, I assume either TextField has a foreground of sorts or we could use a different component or combination of components.
[00:15] <vthompson> *background not foreground
[00:27] <doflah> putting it in a white rectangle seems to work, I just wasn't sure if I could tap in to whatever was giving it the white background when it had focus
[04:13] <LucaBiolcati> when Hack Day will start?
[04:23] <LucaBiolcati> sorry it is on 27th
[08:02] <delsa> hello to everyone
[08:03] <delsa> I made a mokeup of calendar app for tablet http://ubuntuone.com/65EzxdK5sLJqdPyWO03RJA http://ubuntuone.com/6XIuBBwccT46dd0ClholCe hope you like it
[08:05] <popey> hi
[08:06] <popey> ooh! delsa i like those!
[08:06] <delsa> thanks popey :)
[08:07] <delsa> popey , I'm not able with balsamiq, so I prefer Inkscape
[11:29] <nik90> alrite people the clock app is all ready for the hackday. I have tagged all bugs with "hackday" and also added in a difficult level to ensure you know what you are stepping into.
[11:29] <nik90> Looking forward to the hackday event
[11:51] <popey> nik90: thanks!
[12:15] <WebbyIT> I'm sorry, but on calc there are no bitesize bugs :/
[12:16] <popey> ☻
[12:25] <ogra_> add some !
[12:25] <ogra_> :)
[12:31] <nik90> WebbyIT: I had to think for like 10-15 mins to come up with bitesize bugs


[01:02] <Caio> Has anyone played the game Nethack?
[01:22] <arktvrvs> caioxg? never heard of it
[01:22] <arktvrvs> i jest. but no never pplayed it
[01:33] <Caio> It's a roguelike, with classic ASCII graphics. Seems like fun
[02:01] <Caio> But I can't use some commands because X11 doesn't see the Alt key as modifier for a command
[02:14] <arktvrvs> might be your window manager grabbing it
[02:15] <arktvrvs> menu > settings > window manager tweaks
[02:15] <arktvrvs> > accessibility > change it
[02:15] <arktvrvs> see if that helps
[02:21] <Caio> Thank you for your input! I have changed the key, though, to 'None', but Alt continues grabbing the window. I wonder why
[02:33] <arktvrvs> maybe try terminal > preferences > advanced and disable menu shortcuts or something?
[02:34] <arktvrvs> OR
[02:34] <arktvrvs> hmm no that is weird
[02:34] <arktvrvs> maybe you have to restart x? if those two things dont work i dunno
[02:44] <Caio> Alt no longer access the menus. Still, the game doesn't recognise alt as a modifier
[02:45] <arktvrvs> can you try escape? or does it just exit
[02:46] <arktvrvs> theres an xterm option altSendsEscape but the xfce terminal i dont think has it
[02:46] <arktvrvs> and i dont know enough about terminals to know how to work around it
[02:48] <Caio> It's okay
[02:48] <Caio> Thank you
[02:57] <Caio> Goodbye
[03:34] <xu-irc32w> I have CloudReady Chrome OsFlex (12 gpt partitions) running on HP 14 with MrChromebox UEFI Bios. I have also installed Xubuntu 22.04 independently and it runs fine.  There is enough disk space for installing both OsFlex and and Xubuntu.  Is it possible to add Xbuntu to run in a dual boot mode into the existing OsFlex?
[03:41] <jayjay> hi!
[03:41] <xu-irc32w> hi'
[03:43] <jayjay> these are my first messages on irc
[03:43] <jayjay> loving it
[03:43] <xu-irc32w> I have not been on and irc chat for a very long time, perhaps 15 years... A bit rusty.  Anybody here with multi boot experience with Chromium Os?
[09:41] <bodiccea> I wonder why xubuntu-desktop,update-manager, gufw, atril (20 packages total, I don't have flatpak nor snap installed), depends on xdg-desktop-portal.  This is how a single/simple command that people use every day does not work anymore.
[10:58] <NeoCortex4> after upgrading to 22.04 I had to set intel_idle.max_cstate=4 as Kernelparamter in the grub.cfg otherwise m screen keeps flickering like crazy, is that a known issue?
[14:00] <DarkTrick> I'm using XUbuntu within Parallels Desktop (VM) on a mac. Problem: scrolling using two fingers on the touchpad is way too fast. I tried x stackoverflow threads and tried fiddeling with xinput, but I can't get it to go slower (only faster). Is there any trick to make scrolling go slower?
[14:02] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: https://kb.parallels.com/en/6909 ?
[14:08] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, hm, didn't help
[14:09] <DarkTrick> I event changed the mac scrolling speed there without success
[14:09] <DarkTrick> (what is "inertia scrolling" btw? :D)
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> https://io.bikegremlin.com/11541/linux-mouse-scroll-speed/
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: no clue, you've got the Mac :)
[14:10] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: you do have the Parallel Tools installed?
[14:10] <DarkTrick> ah, I think without the "inertia scrolling" it got a tiny bit better (much better control now)
[14:11] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, tools are installed
[14:11] <pmjdebruijn> but fundamentally this is a question for Parallels, not as much as
[14:11] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, tried that. but it's already at "1" (slowest).
[14:12] <DarkTrick> The tool itself works. When I set it to 2 it's basically like pushing the "end" key on the keyboard .D
[14:12] <DarkTrick> :D
[14:13] <pmjdebruijn> you really should ask Parallels about this
[14:13] <pmjdebruijn> you can stick around and see if anybody else comes up with anything though
[14:14] <DarkTrick> But shouldn't there also be a ubuntu-based tool?
[14:15] <DarkTrick> I basically had a similar problem with a real hardware mouse, that I eventually fixed by actually buying a new mouse
[14:15] <pmjdebruijn> why should there be something in uxubuntu if that's not where the problem is
[14:16] <DarkTrick> xorg?
[14:16] <pmjdebruijn> most likely Parallels is botching something
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> btw, have you tried with Parallels Tools btw?
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> without*
[14:18] <DarkTrick> I would expect the OS to provide some scroll sensitivity setting like on windows
[14:18] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: it does, and you've set it to lowest
[14:19] <DarkTrick> basically, yes. Same problem
[14:20] <pmjdebruijn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/libinput#Mouse_wheel_scrolling_speed_scaling
[14:20] <pmjdebruijn> but at this point, I'm just googling for you
[14:21] <pmjdebruijn> most stuff is concerned with making it faster, not slower
[14:21] <pmjdebruijn> too fast seems to be fairly parallels specific
[14:23] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, I will dig around some more
[14:23] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, thank you very much for your quick help!
[14:24] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, at least I got it a little better by turning off inertia scrolling! :)
[14:25] <pmjdebruijn> DarkTrick: keep in mind, given that's you're probably paying Parallels, why not get your moneys worth by asking them about it :)
[14:28] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, still trial period
[14:29] <DarkTrick> pmjdebruijn, trying to figure out how to turn my mac into an actually usable computer :D
[14:31] <udzguru> hi. since the update to 22.04 my firefox takes 5 minutes instead of 5 seconds to start. does anyone have an idea?
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[14:32] <pmjdebruijn> it's a snap
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> as opposed to a deb
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: presumably you still have a harddisk as opposed to an SSD?
[14:33] <udzguru> no it's an SSD
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> even on a highend NVme drive it still takes 6-7 seconds, which is bizarre slow
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: it's the first start that's most painful
[14:33] <pmjdebruijn> after that it's faster
[14:34] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: old/lowend cpu?
[14:34] <udzguru> it takes 5 minutes. every time after a boot.
[14:34] <udzguru> core i5 8th gen ... so no
[14:34] <pmjdebruijn> that's unexpectedly slow
[14:34] <udzguru> 16gb ram
[14:34] <pmjdebruijn> 8th is old... but should be fast enough
[14:35] <udzguru> before the upgrade it took like 5 seconds
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> yeah that's the Deb
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> I know
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not amused by it either
[14:35] <NeoCortex4> i3 7th gen here takes about two seconds to open
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> https://snapcraft.io/docs/debuging-startup-performance
[14:35] <pmjdebruijn> NeoCortex4: on first start?
[14:35] <udzguru> 5 sec vs 5 min ... that feels like i am using a pocket calculator and not an i5 with 16gb of ram ;)
[14:36] <pmjdebruijn> NeoCortex4: on my i9 with NVMe it takes like ~6-7sec
[14:36] <NeoCortex4> pmjdebruijn nah, first start (ever) took about 10 seconds
[14:36] <pmjdebruijn> huh?
[14:36] <pmjdebruijn> oh 10 seems plausible yes
[14:37] <pmjdebruijn> but that's still tragicly slow for a primary application
[14:37] <NeoCortex4> yeah thats true, cant we kick out the snap and install firefox manually?
[14:37] <NeoCortex4> nevrer looked into it since im using chrome
[14:37] <udzguru> i heard that installing the deb instead of the snap helps.
[14:37] <pmjdebruijn> there's a ppa, but that gets uninstalled, unless you do some tricks
[14:38] <NeoCortex4> udzguru im pretty sure that will help
[14:38] <udzguru> jeah you need to do repo-pinning
[14:38] <udzguru> annoying af
[14:38] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: I would be really interesting to get that performence trace from you though
[14:39] <udzguru> i can try ... gimme a sec (or some minutes? :P)
[14:39] <pmjdebruijn> yeah np
[14:39] <NeoCortex4> how do you do a ptrace?
[14:40] <udzguru> snap run --trace-exec firefox according to the url above
[14:41] <udzguru> (the generated trace is from a "second start" then. so no "first slow start")
[14:42] <udzguru> do you have a preferred pastebin?
[14:42] <pmjdebruijn> no
[14:42] <pmjdebruijn> but rebooting for the first start would be more interesting though
[14:43] <udzguru> well .. then let me quickly reboot ;)
[14:46] <udzguru> so ... reboot done. starting firefox with snap run --trace-exec now
[14:46] <NeoCortex4> just for some comparison: https://pastebin.com/hyDnzmt8
[14:47] <udzguru> not sure why but does this really need the password in the commandline?
[14:48] <NeoCortex4> well it asked me.... i typed it in
[14:48] <NeoCortex4> btw this is on intel i3 gen7  samsung nvme
[14:50] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: maybe you'
[14:50] <pmjdebruijn> re extreme slowdown is caused by bad name resolving or something along those lines
[14:51] <udzguru> did you close firefox after the call?
[14:51] <udzguru> because I don't get those times
[14:51] <udzguru> in your log
[14:53] <udzguru> ah ok ... now i closed firefox and the times appeared
[14:53] <udzguru> one moment ... need to start it again ... but the times are muuuuuuuch slower than with NeoCortex4
[14:55] <udzguru> https://home.schweiberger.org/paste/?7e6237fec2b44b20#BycHdknUxkYWFA3DfHgNyuXU3wHCGnp22evCbg443NqD
[14:55] <udzguru> heres my log
[14:55] <udzguru> total time: 272 seconds
[14:56] <NeoCortex4> uff
[14:56] <udzguru> jeah ... starting firefox is a REAL pain since the update
[14:57] <NeoCortex4> i have no idea what that could be. i say, get rid of the snap and get the ppa back
[14:57] <udzguru> the first lines irritate me ... where it complains about something with libreoffice not being accessible
[14:58] <udzguru> and then theres the flatpak line that is weird as well
[14:58] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: /snap is on your SSD as well?
[14:59] <udzguru> there is no harddrive in this pc
[14:59] <udzguru> just SSD
[14:59] <pmjdebruijn> or is that the mount in your homedir
[14:59] <pmjdebruijn> udzguru: you might want to try that again in a clean homedir, so just create a new user, and try this again
[15:00] <udzguru> ok. can do that.
[15:01] <udzguru> also reboot? or is changing user enough?
[15:03] <udzguru> and does the user need to be sudoer? as you need to enter the password when doing the log?
[15:09] <udzguru> ok ... that was waaaaay quicker
[15:10] <udzguru> https://home.schweiberger.org/paste/?ce9987b3047dc727#8UDEFDc83qBpQD1CsYPCaxcWda1drA9BDzG2rLyfneU5
[20:46] <meep> yo mama
[21:28] <siix> hey folks. trying to fix my dual-boot problems between xubu 22.04 and win 10. initially the xubu installer gave me a windows 10 entry that didn't work (can't find command "drivemap"), so i ran update-grub again and now os-prober isn't finding windows 10 at all
[21:29] <siix> windows is on another drive and it is *not* showing up in efibootmgr .. honestly i'm not sure what that indicates and why the installer found it but update-grub doesn't
[21:30] <siix> i have added GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to grub's default config and i see from the output that the prober is running