[00:01] <ehc> how can I turn on/off the on screen display connected to turning volume up or down?
[00:10] <ilumi> ehc?
[00:10] <ehc> ilumi: yes?
[00:10] <ilumi> maybe ecs?
[00:12] <ehc> ilumi: should the be visible as a process under system activity?
[00:14] <ehc> ilumi: ecs? i'm googling "kde ecs" and not finding much info. does it have a web page or longer name?
[00:14] <ilumi> no meant escapte key
[00:15] <ilumi> but look for process that has osd in it
[00:15] <ilumi> escape
[00:23] <kosmos> privet
[00:31] <ilumi> privet tovarish
[00:38] <NotWired> anyone know how well (or badly) kubuntu runs on the new lenovo edge laptop?
[00:40] <jce0694> anyone have an x1200 radeon gfx card... i have one and can't find the drivers
[00:40] <hexorg> Hey, when I boot the cd (kubuntu 9.10) I get the menu, but when I press "Install Kubuntu" it freezes, then unfreezes in a minute or so, but nothing happens...
[00:46] <iconmefisto> jce0694: it should just install and work
[00:47] <jce0694> iconmefisto: u mean when i install kubuntu os it should have already installed the drivers for the gfx card?
[00:47] <iconmefisto> jce0694: exactly
[00:48] <jce0694> iconmefisto: but why the slow frame rate for glxgears? everybody has way faster fps
[00:49] <iconmefisto> if you do apt-cache search radeon, you'll find xserver-xorg-video-ati and xserver-xorg-video-radeon which should be installed
[00:50] <iconmefisto> ctrl-esc and see if there are any processes that are hogging resources
[00:50] <jce0694> there's no way to check with gui's... i'm not really good with konsole yet
[00:51] <iconmefisto> you can search for "radeon" in kpackagekit. that should show the same packages
[00:52] <jce0694> iconmefisto: you're a bit too far ahead of me... i don't know where kpackagekit is
[00:52] <jce0694> iconmefisto: or what it is
[00:52] <Daughain> ubuntu 9.10 has the x1200 driver as native.
[00:53] <NotWired> jce0694: just type it in the search window
[00:53] <iconmefisto> systemsettings, add/remove software, or just alt-F2 and type kpackagekit
[00:56] <jce0694> Daughain: native... that means it automatically supports the gfx card?
[00:56] <Daughain> jce0694: yes.
[00:57] <Daughain> ubuntu 9.10, not 9.04
[00:57] <Daughain> an I dont know about kubuntu.
[00:58] <maco> low level things like drivers are the same between ubuntu and kubuntu
[00:58] <maco> default apps are the difference
[00:58] <Daughain> Maco thanks/
[00:58] <jce0694> iconmefisto: ok thanks guys... i think it's installed...
[00:59] <iconmefisto> jce0694: this is what kpackagekit shows is installed on mine (searching for "radeon"): http://imagebin.ca/view/rmwDq4J.html
[01:00] <jce0694> iconmefisto: ok... mine looks similar... i have another question about installing software and removing it
[01:01] <jce0694> iconmefisto: how come when i open kpackagekit and look at software management i don't see all programs that i have installed... specifically i installed matlab a while back and want to remove it but it does not show up as an installed program
[01:03] <iconmefisto> did you install it manually? or through kpackagekit or apt-get install ... ?
[01:04] <jce0694> iconmefisto: i did not install the software through kpackage or apt-get
[01:05] <jce0694> iconmefisto: i guess that is why it does not show up huh?
[01:05] <iconmefisto> probably
[01:06] <iconmefisto> how did you install it? there's probably an uninstall that came with the download (if you downloaded it from somewhere)
[01:06] <jce0694> i installed the software to the wrong directory... since i didn't install through kpackage or apt-get would i just delete the directory and all sub directories manually to "uninstall" it?
[01:08] <iconmefisto> jce0694: I don't know what matlab is or what it does, so I don't really know. if you delete the directory, you'll remove the files, but the install may have changed some system settings too.
[01:09] <jce0694> iconmefisto: matlab is a psuedo type of programming language for computations but without all the heavy syntax... similar to mathematica or maple (u may have heard of those)
[01:10] <iconmefisto> did you run a script to install it? or just unpack an archive and nothing more?
[01:10] <jce0694> a script installed it i think
[01:11] <iconmefisto> is there a readme file? if so, it may explain how to uninstall
[01:12] <jce0694> iconmefisto: illsearch for one... do most programs have an uninstall script/executable thingie
[01:15] <iconmefisto> jce0694: usually yes, if there is an install script
[01:15] <jce0694> iconmefisto: ok... i'll poke around and see what i find
[01:30] <thelinuxexperime> is there a way to tell MonoDevelop to generate a make file for a .desktop file? I'm running into problems creating a .deb because it doesn't know what to do with the .desktop
[01:40] <elamraouy> hi evreybody
[01:40] <ilumi> supsup
[01:40] <elamraouy> j'ai un probleme je peux le poser?
[01:40] <ilumi> french?
[01:41] <crimsun> thelinuxexperime: I don't know MD well, but you could always create/modify the appropriate debian/foo.install
[01:41] <elamraouy> ok j'ai installé le bureau kde sous ubuntu gnome ,c marche bien mais au demarrage de grub ca plante
[01:42] <elamraouy> je dois choisir un autre kernel pour que ca marche
[01:43] <thelinuxexperime> crimsun: the weird thing is when I ran dh_make it didn't create a .install file
[01:44] <crimsun> thelinuxexperime: it shouldn't.
[01:44] <thelinuxexperime> crimsun: oh. haha sorry I am very new to this, actually very new to Linux in general
[01:45] <thelinuxexperime> crimsun: is there a web resource I can look at to find the format of a .install file?
[01:46] <crimsun> thelinuxexperime: man 1 dh_install
[01:46] <crimsun> thelinuxexperime: or, search for "man dh_install"
[01:46] <jce0694> anybody know about the lmdown command...i'm trying to uninstall matlab from my laptop and it says to use this command (http://www.mathworks.com/support/solutions/en/data/1-17VR3/index.html?solution=1-17VR3)
[01:47] <alien64> hi , i tried installing kubuntu 9.10 on my tower machine but the installer could see my partitions. I have that drive set for cable select should i just make it master?
[01:47] <thelinuxexperime> crimsun: :P thanks
[01:47] <alien64> could mot see
[01:49] <alien64> it has Sabayon on it atm woou like to put kubuntu on it instead
[01:51] <nathan__> Just installed proprietary graphics driver for ati and it says it is activated but not in use how do I fix this problem?
[01:52] <genii> nathan__: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide#Now_you.27ll_have_to_edit_your_xorg.conf
[01:52] <genii> nathan__: applies to 9.10 or other as well
[01:52] <nathan__> genii: I am using karmic
[01:53] <genii> nathan__: See my second remark. 9.10 is karmic
[01:55] <alien64> genii: any help for me?
[01:56] <genii> alien64: Hardware wise it's best to set both drives on an IDE cable to "cable select" and then put the master on the end of the ribbon
[01:57] <alien64> only the one drive
[01:57] <alien64> not 2 in the machine
[01:57] <PengytheDuckwin> Hello, is there a way to force Kubuntu to use my HDMI as sound output and not my sound card?
[01:57] <alien64> the installer doesnt see it at all
[01:57] <nathan__> genii: Does this apply even if I installed the driver through hardware drivers
[01:58] <genii> alien64: Then end of the ribbon if it has space on the ribbon for 2 drives, either cable-select or master jumpers usually although some drives require all jumpers removed in this config
[01:58] <crimsun> PengytheDuckwin: choose it as the preferred output device in Phonon
[01:59] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: I know I sound very noobish like this, but the command phonon only brings me to choose the sound deinterlacer.
[02:00] <rubisco> moohaww hawww...welbekomen, yo!!!
[02:01] <rubisco> anyone know where I get an illegal copy of kubuntu?
[02:01] <PengytheDuckwin> ...
[02:01] <PengytheDuckwin> uh, no actually
[02:02] <rubisco> hehe
[02:02] <crimsun> PengytheDuckwin: System Settings > Multimedia
[02:02] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: changing it there doesn't do anything, even though the "test" function works perfectly
[02:03] <crimsun> PengytheDuckwin: for which apps?
[02:04] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: no sound works on any app, because I think it's directiing to my sound card for some reason, though the HDMI is top on my preferred list.
[02:05] <crimsun> PengytheDuckwin: does speaker-test work after you've configured Phonon?
[02:05] <crimsun> e.g., speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav
 :~$ speaker-test -c2 -l1 -twav
[02:07] <PengytheDuckwin> speaker-test 1.0.20
[02:07] <PengytheDuckwin> Playback device is default
[02:07] <PengytheDuckwin> Stream parameters are 48000Hz, S16_LE, 2 channels
[02:07] <PengytheDuckwin> WAV file(s)
[02:07] <FloodBotK3> PengytheDuckwin: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:07] <PengytheDuckwin> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[02:07] <PengytheDuckwin> whoops
[02:08] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: phonon's testing works, though
[02:09] <crimsun> PengytheDuckwin: does restarting the desired audio app(s) suffice?
[02:09] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: you mean closing and reopening? no, but I might have to restart X.
[02:10] <crimsun> that would be silly, but...ok
[02:11] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: I know, but I've tried everything else already, unless I take out my sound card completely.
[02:13] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: well what do you know, it actually worked!
[02:14] <crimsun> sounds like a bug in Phonon, then
[02:14] <PengytheDuckwin> crimsun: nevermind, apparently the boot-up sound only worked, not flash video
[02:26] <jmbecker> hello]
[02:29] <jmbecker> hello
[02:32] <ilumi> supsup
[02:33] <jmbecker> hi
[02:59] <gkffjcs> Hey all, how do I change my clock, my computer says it's 2:59pm, when my localtime is actually 8:59pm
[03:00] <genii> gkffjcs: rightclick on clock, "Adjust Date and Time" option
[03:12] <gkffjcs> Flash has no sound.
[03:13] <gkffjcs> I can use other things, and the system has sound, but not flash
[03:40] <twobits> forgive me for a perhaps noobish questions, but is there anyway to make amarok just play a file when I click on it from the right sidebar instead of adding it to a playlist?
[03:43] <e_t_> twobits: not that I know of. When I want to play just a single song, I usually use vlc or smplayer. Amarok will allow you to replace the current playlist with one song, though.
[03:44] <twobits> e_t_: ah, thanks
[04:05] <Daughain> Anyone good with tftp awake?
[05:08] <nirjhor> hi
[05:08] <nirjhor> good morning everybody
[05:08] <nirjhor> anybody here?
[05:19] <ggkgkgklgk> hey huys
[05:19] <ggkgkgklgk> *guys
[05:19] <ggkgkgklgk> just installed 9.04, went fine, ati 9.12 went fine
[05:19] <ggkgkgklgk> compiz+emerald install went fine
[05:20] <ggkgkgklgk> then I downloaded and installed kubuntu's recommended updates
[05:20] <ggkgkgklgk> and now I have no window borders when using compiz
[05:20] <ggkgkgklgk> any help?
[05:21] <e_t_> if you switch back to kwin, do the borders come back?
[05:21] <ggkgkgklgk> yeah
[05:21] <ggkgkgklgk> tried removing compiz, emerald, and fusion icon
[05:21] <ggkgkgklgk> and then reinstalling
[05:21] <ggkgkgklgk> to no avail
[05:21] <ggkgkgklgk> same problem
[05:22] <ggkgkgklgk> only happened after updating
[05:23] <e_t_> try entering this command: ps ax | egrep '(decorator|emerald)'
[05:25] <ggkgkgklgk> tried it and then switched to compiz, same
[05:25] <ggkgkgklgk> should I switch to compiz then try it?
[05:25] <e_t_> yes
[05:26] <ggkgkgklgk> nope
[05:26] <ggkgkgklgk> same thing
[05:26] <e_t_> what output do you get from the command?
[05:26] <ggkgkgklgk> 4944 ?        S      0:01 emerald --replace
[05:27] <ggkgkgklgk>  6260 pts/2    S+     0:00 egrep (decorator|emerald)
[05:30] <e_t_> did you install compiz-kde?
[05:30] <ggkgkgklgk> think so- here's the command I used
[05:30] <ggkgkgklgk> sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager emerald
[05:30] <ggkgkgklgk> and I got the fusion icon from the package manager
[05:31] <ggkgkgklgk> it worked just fine through a few restarts, and I didn't make any changes to it before installing the updates
[05:31] <ggkgkgklgk> then after update restart it wouldn't work
[05:35] <e_t_> Run the compiz settings manager and make sure window decoration is enabled.
[05:35] <ggkgkgklgk> it is
[05:36] <e_t_> does anything happen if you run "emerald --replace"?
[05:37] <porki>  I got a problem when I booted ubuntu 9.10 pc http://i45.tinypic.com/2zhnuqe.jpg
[05:37] <ggkgkgklgk> no
[05:37] <ggkgkgklgk> but this is weird
[05:37] <ggkgkgklgk> it must have something to do with one of the plugins I was using
[05:38] <ggkgkgklgk> I restored everything to default and started compiz and I have borders back
[05:38] <ggkgkgklgk> hmmm
[05:39] <e_t_> I guess then, you should activate your plugins one at a time to find the offending one. (Or just be happy it worked and move on ;)
[05:39] <ggkgkgklgk> weird
[05:40] <ggkgkgklgk> wish that had occurred to me sooner
[05:40] <ggkgkgklgk> thanks anyway et
[05:40] <porki> I got a problem when I booted ubuntu 9.10 pc http://i45.tinypic.com/2zhnuqe.jpg
[05:40] <ggkgkgklgk> :)
[05:41] <e_t_> porki: can you describe what the problem is?
[05:41] <porki> please see the ss - http://i45.tinypic.com/2zhnuqe.jpg
[05:41] <porki> when i boot the pc the graphics stopped working
[05:42] <e_t_> So they worked before, you rebooted, and now they don't work?
[05:42] <porki> yes
[05:42] <e_t_> did you do any updates?
[05:43] <porki> nope
[05:43] <werfact> look at your xorg conf
[05:44] <werfact> see if its loading the nvidia driver
[05:46] <porki> how to look the xorg.conf ?
[05:46] <werfact> open it with kate
[05:46] <werfact> or any text editor
[05:47] <Daughain> Any help for tftp issues?
[05:47] <e_t_> porki: have you ever used the terminal before?
[05:48] <porki> yes
[05:48] <porki> I opened the xorg.conf
[05:49] <werfact> it should tell you what driver its loading
[05:49] <porki> it seems that its not loading - http://pastebin.com/d69a1c3fc
[05:50] <werfact> yeah its not loading nvidia
[05:51] <werfact> you need to reconfigure the xserver, but i dont know how because they got rid of the old command
[05:53] <e_t_> try "sudo dpkg --configure xserver-xorg"
[05:54] <werfact> or Xorg -configure
[05:55] <e_t_> that might not work while X is running
[05:57] <porki> when I restarted the pc then i got message that kernel not loaded and to restart x server
[05:58] <crimsun> (porki: I was addressing you in the other channel)
[06:02] <werfact> porki: what dod you do?
[06:03] <porki> ?
[06:03] <werfact> did
[06:17] <porki> brb, power cut :-(
[06:28] <petsounds> hi. what package i should install to get a minimal installation of kubuntu on top of ubuntu, i mean just kde. thanks
[06:31] <titan_ark> petsounds: someone had suggested kde-core
[06:31] <titan_ark> but it dint work for me
[06:31] <titan_ark> petsounds: you could try
[06:34] <petsounds> titan_ark, thanks. but no thanks, if it's doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for me either :)
[06:35] <titan_ark> :D
[06:35] <titan_ark> you could try googling abt it
[06:35] <titan_ark> i just decided to install kubuntu :P
[06:38] <genii> !info kde-minimal
[06:39]  * genii sips
[06:40] <petsounds> genii, merci beaucoup ;)
[06:42] <titan_ark> genii: why werent you in the room on that fateful day :P
[06:44] <genii> It was probably around this hour. I'm not normally around now
[06:44] <petsounds> oh and one more question, i add the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta and do i get kde 4.4 rc1 if i install kde-minimal?
[06:45] <genii> Sorry, don't know :) Probably
[06:46] <petsounds> ok, thanks anyway
[06:47] <petsounds> !puregnome
[06:59] <david___> geez lots of davids
[07:00] <franxavior> hi there
[07:00] <franxavior> i was wondering how to change the "preview" thing when your cursor if over a desktop item
[07:00] <franxavior> so it doesnt show up
[07:01] <franxavior> ?
[07:05] <Daughain> franxavior: Dig through system settings?? =)
[07:06] <franxavior> Daughain: im trying!
[07:12] <ubuntu> hi
[07:12] <ubuntu> any1 there??
[07:16] <Tm_T> ubuntu: usually here's someone
[07:19] <titan_ark> damn, mic is not working again
[07:19] <titan_ark> what crap :(
[07:22] <genii> franxavior: Click on the wrench on the side of the "Desktop Folder" Choose Display ... uncheck Previews box
[07:25] <Daughain> titan_ark: Hopw'd ya lose it this time?? :P
[07:26] <titan_ark> Daughain: i have no clue
[07:27] <titan_ark> probably the kernel upday xjjk suggested
[07:27] <Daughain> titan_ark: LOL, though I do understand. I'm still trying to get this damn istall done. =(
[07:27] <titan_ark> i wonder why linux needs to be so hard on somone who really wants to get it :P
[07:27] <xjjk> sorry, what's up?
[07:28] <titan_ark> xjjk: hey :) nm
[07:28] <titan_ark> microphone not working!
[07:28] <xjjk> hrm
[07:28] <xjjk> not working, meaning, you're getting an in-use error?
[07:29] <titan_ark> well i was trying skype and no voice :(
[07:29] <xjjk> does anything not skype work
[07:29] <xjjk> skype is a flaming piece of #$%
[07:29] <Daughain> sype seems ot have a few issues....
[07:29] <titan_ark> it was working reasonably (read: with lot of noise) before
[07:30] <titan_ark> need to install a voice recorder tool to check
[07:30] <titan_ark> i think there is no default tool, right?
[07:30] <xjjk> no clue
[07:30] <xjjk> I never use my microphone...
[07:31] <titan_ark> hmm okay
[07:31] <titan_ark> i need to, to speak to folks back home
[07:32] <titan_ark> damn, bad day for it to stop working
[07:32] <Daughain> titan_ark:  You using the biult in mic on the laptop?
[07:32] <titan_ark> already aheving a bad day
[07:32] <titan_ark> Daughain: tried both, the built in mic array and my headphones
[07:33] <Daughain> titan_ark: Neither working, I take it?
[07:33] <titan_ark> yeah
[07:33] <Daughain> You try changing hardware in alsa?
[07:33] <titan_ark> the damn thing was working until yesterday x(
[07:33] <titan_ark> Daughain: yeah tried almost all combinations
[07:33] <titan_ark> actually the options seem to have reduced from what they were before
[07:33] <Daughain> Well....sitting.
[07:34] <Daughain> I get to see a preveiew of what is ahead of me......And, I'm using BT, not hardwire... =)
[07:34] <titan_ark> hmmm
[07:34] <titan_ark> any suggestions for a voice recording tool?
[07:35] <Daughain> And, whats the liklihood kde will make it easier??=)
[07:35] <titan_ark> ubuntu has a default one
[07:40] <genii> !info qarecord
[07:41] <Daughain> 9.10 changed a lot of BT reosaurces and stuff...Irritatig, but true.
[07:41] <Daughain> Already started looking into it. =(
[07:42] <Daughain> rww All I have is a /etc/inetd.conf
[07:42] <Daughain> Oops.
[07:42] <titan_ark> any idea how i can check the latest version of alsa and if i have got it right?
[07:43] <titan_ark> hmmm
[07:44] <Daughain> Me? No clue. =(
[07:44] <titan_ark> genii: i installed qarecord, but cant find it
[07:45] <titan_ark> Daughain: =) np, thx
[07:46] <Daughain> !als
[07:46] <Daughain> !alsa
[07:46] <genii> titan_ark: Kmenu...Multimedia
[07:47] <genii> Where Dragonplayer, K3B, KMix are
[07:47] <titan_ark> genii: hmm got it
[07:48] <titan_ark> installed audacity
[07:48] <titan_ark> all i get is noise
[07:48] <titan_ark> Daughain: woki, shall chk that
[07:53] <titan_ark> Step #1: Open the pulseaudio record meter (pavumeter --record)
[07:53] <titan_ark> and this itself fails
[07:53] <titan_ark> x(
[07:59] <genii> titan_ark: Is Mic or Front Mic unmuted in kmix?
[08:00] <titan_ark> kmix does not even seem to start
[08:01] <titan_ark> i start it and i can see the tab in the panel below and then it goes away
[08:01] <titan_ark> same is the case with pulse audio device chooser
[08:03] <titan_ark> genii: pulseaudio volume control shows no input devices!
[08:04] <genii> titan_ark: No idea, offhand
[08:04] <titan_ark> genii: sigh :(
[08:05] <alvin> In KDE 4.4 RC1, where can the Akonadi Settings be found?
[08:07] <Tm_T> alvin: systemsettings -> advanced tab -> Akonadi settings
[08:08] <alvin> Tm T: That was the case in KDE 4.3.x, but it isn't there anymore in 4.4 RC1
[08:08] <Daughain> titan_ark: That sound slike bad install or missing dependencies.....????
[08:08] <Tm_T> alvin: if not, you don't have it properly installed
[08:08] <genii> alvin: Start up akonadi tray, rightclick on it
[08:09] <genii> Tm_T: Yes, they do http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1362487
[08:09] <Tm_T> genii: oh? thanks
[08:09] <genii> np
[08:09] <titan_ark> Daughain: i dont understand
[08:09] <titan_ark> Daughain: are you suggesting i reinstall something? alsa?
[08:09] <alvin> Oh, break akonadi? What morons are we?
[08:10] <Tm_T> genii: shame on me, as I cannot use those packages I don't know how they are if they differ from my system ):
[08:10] <alvin> What if you need to add another calendar source, or an addressbook? (ok, there is a way)
[08:10] <Daughain> titan_ark: It sound slike kmix is not fully starting, and my guess as to why would be bad install, or bad(missing) dependencies.....Just throwi9ng a thought out there, nothing more.
[08:10] <titan_ark> Daughain: okay so il prolly try reinstalling em
[08:10] <alvin> They are 'advanced' settings. Can we have an extra tab in system settings 'super advanced settings'?
[08:11] <titan_ark> Daughain: it says its in the newest version. how do i reinstall?
[08:12] <Daughain> titan_ark:  I dunno, I was just throwing it out there hoping one of the bog brains would have something more useful to say.
[08:12] <titan_ark> Daughain: hmm k thx :)
[08:12] <titan_ark> need to check how to re install a package
[08:14] <genii> sudo apt-get install --reinstall something
[08:15] <genii> titan_ark: Did you do stuff with alsa earlier like asoundconf or something?
[08:15] <titan_ark> genii: nope i just did a kernel update yesterday
[08:15] <titan_ark> a "vanilla" kernel
[08:16] <Daughain> Oi, this install thing is getting hairy.
[08:17] <genii> titan_ark: What soundcard you have?
[08:17] <titan_ark> Daughain:?
[08:18] <titan_ark> genii: its an intel HDA something
[08:18] <Daughain> Sup?
[08:18] <titan_ark> how do i get the exact info?
[08:18] <titan_ark> some grep command :P
[08:18] <genii> titan_ark: lspci | grep Audio
[08:19] <titan_ark> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[08:19] <genii> If on a previous kernel you followed the !intelhda instructions and it worked then, you need to do those after every kernel update
[08:19] <titan_ark> reinstalled kmix, and of no use
[08:19] <genii> !intelhda
[08:19] <genii> eg
[08:20] <titan_ark> genii: i dint do nothing the first time, it just worked fine after the alsa install
[08:20] <Daughain> titan_ark:  I appreciate you trust I have a clue, but I really dont. =) I just try.
[08:21] <titan_ark> Daughain: :D okay
[08:21] <titan_ark> genii: prolly cos its a vanilla kernel, it just does not include something that was there in the previous kernel i was using
[08:21] <Daughain> titan_ark:  I know a bunch of these ommands, but, not lkie genii  or some of the others, who can rattle em off. I'm ucky if I can remember then when *I* need them.=)
[08:22] <titan_ark> lol
[08:22] <genii> titan_ark: Does: lsmod| grep snd_hda_intel                       show that module is loaded?
[08:22] <titan_ark> at least u can, i only remember a small part
[08:23] <genii> I would suspect kmix, pulse etc work right and don't need any reinstall but that they just can't find what to use if it's driver isn't loaded
[08:23] <titan_ark> this is what it says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/355939/
[08:23] <titan_ark> cant make sense out of it
[08:24] <genii> titan_ark: It means the driver IS loaded
[08:24] <titan_ark> hmmm
[08:24] <titan_ark> which line told you that?
[08:24] <xjjk> titan_ark: how new is the laptop
[08:24] <titan_ark> i bought it in august'
[08:25] <xjjk> new enough... do you know if the driver is just plain buggy
[08:25] <xjjk> my laptop, for example, would lose sound whenever coming back from suspend
[08:25] <Daughain> WHOOT!!!!
[08:25] <genii> titan_ark: All of them :) But mostly: snd_hda_intel          26287  5
[08:25] <xjjk> it was fixed in ALSA's development trunk
[08:25] <xjjk> but it took almost a year for it to show up in Ubuntu
[08:26] <titan_ark> xjjk: hmmm i just booted into kubuntu now, dint get hibernate!
[08:26] <titan_ark> genii: ah okay
[08:26] <xjjk> titan_ark: so, yeh, odd bugs here and there
[08:26] <titan_ark> xjjk: ah okay
[08:27] <titan_ark> well, even when i was using it in the previous kernel, the audio recording was very very noisy
[08:27] <titan_ark> but just a day earlier when i was using Ubuntu karmic, i was able to set it to crystal clear recording
[08:28] <xjjk> titan_ark: yeh... that's the fun part about kernel development
[08:28] <titan_ark> and sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop screwed it up :P
[08:28] <xjjk> latest alsa fixes, for example, won't be in the latest kernel
[08:28] <xjjk> because alsa develops their stuff separately
[08:28] <titan_ark> hmm okay
[08:28] <xjjk> it takes X weeks/months for the latest alsa stuff to become part of the kernel
[08:28] <xjjk> and then X weeks/months for distributions to start using that kernel
[08:29] <titan_ark> phew
[08:29] <xjjk> titan_ark: you can download the alsa drivers separately and compile them
[08:29] <titan_ark> i actually noticed that the options in alsa are far lesser in the kde than in ubuntu
[08:30] <titan_ark> and after last nights kernel update, some recording options have reduced
[08:30] <titan_ark> xjjk: how could i do that
[08:30] <titan_ark> ?
[08:30] <titan_ark> i have no clue
[08:30] <xjjk> titan_ark: mmm, have you fiddled with everything else
[08:30] <titan_ark> i would appreciate it if you could run me through the steps
[08:30] <titan_ark> xjjk: i guess o
[08:31] <titan_ark> o == so
[08:31] <xjjk> I'll take your word for it, I've never had serious sound problems
[08:32] <titan_ark> hmmm
[08:32] <titan_ark> the audio o/p works perfectly
[08:32] <titan_ark> its the mic recording that is causing all the trouble
[08:32] <xjjk> titan_ark: does the mic work fine in windows?
[08:32] <genii> titan_ark: I used on Jaunty the !intelhda instructions. Right now I use Jaunty and am testing Lucid, so have no Karmic install, etc where it might have odd issues. Exact same hardware on my box as yours
[08:33] <titan_ark> yes, crystal clear. in fact a few days back i was using Ubuntu and i could configure it in that too
[08:33] <xjjk> just wondering, do you have an option called "mic gain"
[08:33] <xjjk> and that's turned OFF, right?
[08:34] <titan_ark> xjjk: where exactly do you want me to check that?
[08:34] <titan_ark> alsamixer in terminal?
[08:34] <titan_ark> genii: okay
[08:34] <xjjk> titan_ark: kmix, alsamixer, etc
[08:34] <titan_ark> xjjk: kmix just doesnt seem to come up
[08:35] <titan_ark> everytime i start it, i can see its tab open and close that is all
[08:35] <xjjk> titan_ark: check the status area of your plasma dock
[08:35] <titan_ark> sorry?
[08:36] <xjjk> titan_ark: er, notification area
[08:36] <xjjk> whatever they're calling it now
[08:36] <xjjk> the thing in the lower right of your screen
[08:36] <titan_ark> okay
[08:36] <titan_ark> would you like a screenshot/
[08:37] <xjjk> hrm, no, it should be obvious
[08:37] <xjjk> open a terminal, and run kmix --nofork
[08:37] <xjjk> see if it's crashing
[08:37] <titan_ark> amit@ubuntu:~$ kmix --nofork
[08:37] <titan_ark> <unknown program name>(4124)/: KUniqueApplication: Can't setup D-Bus service. Probably already running.
[08:38] <xjjk> so, yeah, it's running...
[08:40] <titan_ark> okay
[08:43] <titan_ark> xjjk: opened kmix and tried changing some settings
[08:43] <titan_ark> no change
[08:43] <titan_ark> just that now there is no noise at all
[08:43] <titan_ark> not a sound!
[08:48] <titan_ark> xjjk: are you still there?
[08:52] <titan_ark> i guess iv had enough for a day
[08:52] <titan_ark> cya everyone
[08:58] <Daughain> Gonna be one of those days, I think.
[08:59] <Daughain> Anyone help me with an edit of a dhcpd.conf?
[09:08] <samuel> hi there.
[09:08] <samuel> what was the way to create a passwort for superuser (to use su on konsole)?
[09:10] <Daughain> use sudo to et su access via konsole.
[09:10] <Daughain> get even.
[09:11] <Daughain> Never needed a password....
[09:11] <Daughain> Wait.....
[09:11]  * Daughain is braindead right now...
[09:11] <samuel> daughain: i dosn't like this kind of security. so i'm a little paranoid. I want to have a different root-password
[09:12] <Daughain> Didn;t you create a password when you did your install in the first place?
[09:13] <samuel> ok, i got it
[09:13] <samuel> sudo passwd
[09:13] <hettar_> ANyone managed to get the nepomuk search stuff to work in the rc packages ?
[09:14] <samuel> for me its not secure enough. cause if someone have break my userpasswd, he has all rights on the machine. with extra root-account he need 2 passwords to take the system over
[09:15] <hettar_> hmm unless they hack the root account thus only needing 1 password
[09:15] <Daughain> samuel:  Nice to know that.....I'm a newb, so, didt know you could se more than one pwd.
[09:20] <rethus> Hi there, i have installed kubuntu 9.10 and create a new user. If i try to install firefox via firefox-installer. K ask me for my user-password, and after that nothing happends
[09:22] <Daughain> Isnt firefox native to begin with?
[09:22] <Daughain> Oh, kubuntu.......Thats right.
[09:22] <Vroomfondle> rethus: why are you using firefox installer?
[09:22] <APERSON> where can I configure the steps that my volume wheel increments in?
[09:23] <rethus> mh, i look at kmenu search for firefox and find this installer
[09:23] <Vroomfondle> rethus: just use the package manager (Computer -> KPackagekit)
[09:23] <Vroomfondle> hopefully that will work better
[09:24] <APERSON> Vroomfondle, when I installed firefox via apt, it added a firefox-installer to my menu
[09:24] <APERSON> along with a regular firefox entry, but the installer is there as well
[09:25] <rethus> ok, have other problem.
[09:25] <rethus> have created a new user, and try to edit repo-sources in kPackagekit
[09:25] <rethus> i click on edit software sources, and K ask me to insert my password.
[09:25] <rethus> i do, but nothing happends
[09:26] <Vroomfondle> does the new user have admin (sudo) rightd?
[09:27] <Vroomfondle> rights
[09:28] <rethus> Vroomfondle: don't know. one moment i have a look
[09:28] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Love the name.
[09:30] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: :)
[09:30] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Now, If I could only remember the character. =)
[09:32] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: You familiar with dhcpd.conf files?
[09:32] <rethus> k, the user has adminstrator-privileges
[09:32] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: We don't demand solid facts. What we demand is a total absence of solid facts. I demand that I may or may not be Vroomfondle!
[09:33] <Daughain> LOL
[09:33] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: not really, sorry
[09:33] <Daughain> I need to re read the trilogy. =)
[09:34] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: No worries. Eventually I will find someone who can help. =)
[09:35] <rethus> daughain: if i type sudo aptitude install gimp on console, i got: suther is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:35] <rethus> how can i add a user to make him able to install packages?
[09:35] <Daughain> use sudo apt-get install <filename>
[09:36] <Daughain> Oh.... =[)
[09:36] <Daughain> rethus: I dunno.....I;m a newb in the first place, and, I'm not running kubuntu.
[09:37] <rethus> can anybody help:   if i type sudo aptitude install gimp on console, i got: suther is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[09:37] <Daughain> Though, you would need to switch to your su acct to do anything about it.
[09:37] <Vroomfondle> rethus: add the user to /etc/sudoers
[09:37] <Vroomfondle> but you'll need to have sudo access in order to do that...
[09:37] <genii> rethus: With a user that has sudo rights already: sudo usermod -G -a admin username-you-want-to-be-able-to-sudo
[09:38] <genii> Alternately: su -c "sudo usermod -G -a admin username-you-want-to-be-able-to-sudo" username-with-sudo-rights-name
[09:39] <rethus> but please explain me: why did i need to add a normal user to sudo? (i came from suse) and there a root-account, and eachtime i do something which need root-privilegs, i would be asked for a password
[09:39] <rethus> how is this managed in ubuntu?
[09:39] <silv3r_m00n> which software can I use in kde 3.5 to check for updates , everytime the system starts
[09:39] <genii> rethus: The first user added in Ubuntu has sudo/admin rights. Subsequent users do not
[09:40] <rethus> ok. so my first user is a kind of admin
[09:40] <genii> rethus: Yes
[09:40] <rethus> so it would be good to create a subuser and only work with this user ?
[09:40] <rethus> for my own desktop i mean
[09:41] <genii> Good idea in case it gets compromised, but not essential
[09:41] <noaXess> hi all
[09:41] <rethus> genii: but if i create a new subuser which is not root, i didn't can install updates and new packages with kpackagekit?
[09:42] <fanti> hello! i tested a bit with aircrack-ng and my own AP, but aireplay-ng tells me that "Sysfs injection support was not found either" on my kubuntu system.... ?
[09:42] <noaXess> how can i check a cd-rom for failures? i need fsck.iso9660 right? in which package is it included?
[09:42] <genii> rethus: Only locally into /home/username/bin      sort of idea
[09:42] <rethus> therefor i need to become in sudo to have administrative privileges... and than this is no longer a user-account ... its a admin-account like first account ater installing?
[09:42] <noaXess> !fsck
[09:43] <genii> rethus: Pretty much, yeah
[09:43] <noaXess> .iso9660
[09:43] <noaXess> !fsck.iso9660
[09:43] <rethus> ok, but as my first user, i have set my new useraccount to administrative privilegs. why this isn't enough?
[09:43] <rethus> hae i to type the user to /etc/sudoer manualy?
[09:44] <genii> rethus: If you have not logged out/logged in the user you just changed groups to, it won't have taken effect yet
[09:44] <rethus> genii, ok, so i restart now
[09:44] <rethus> thanks
[09:44] <genii> np
[09:46] <silv3r_m00n> how to automatically check for updates every time kde3.5 starts
[09:49] <genii> silv3r_m00n: Run update-notifier-kde
[09:49] <genii> !autostart
[09:51] <noaXess> is there a way to check a cdrom's filesystem?
[09:51] <noaXess> if i run fsck /dev/sr0 i get: fsck: fsck.iso9660: not found
[09:51] <Ash-Fox> iso9660
[09:51] <Ash-Fox> That's your filesystem. fsck looks up what filesystem it is before executing fsck.<filesystemtype>
[09:52] <noaXess> Ash-Fox: aha.. so, what tool can i use to check the iso9660 fs?
[09:52] <noaXess> libiso9660-5
[09:52] <Ash-Fox> That's a library.
[09:53] <Ash-Fox> As for filesystem checkers for iso9660, never heard of any. As for recovering disc images, I would use 'dd'
[09:53] <noaXess> but.. if you install a kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu.. you can first check the cd/dvd for fs errors.. how to the installer do that?
[09:54] <ct529> hi! I would like the system to propose to open dvds with VLC instead of dragonplayer. How do I modify this setting? I am finding the configuration files very complicated to understand .... do I have to creaqte a file in /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions or in /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/ or in both or ....?
[09:54] <genii> noaXess: md5 checksums of each file
[09:55] <noaXess> genii: and how to do that with a tool.. over the whole content of the cd/dvd?
[09:55] <noaXess> manually
[09:55] <Daughain> Now there;s one I need to get around to doing myself... =)
[09:55] <rethus> genii: k, works now. have add my user to group admin and sambashare
[09:55] <Ash-Fox> To recover a disc to an iso, I would use, dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/home/whatever/file.iso conv=noerror,sync
[09:56]  * genii bedtime
[09:56] <Ash-Fox> That will create an iso image of the disc in question, which you can then later try to mount to retrieve the data.
[09:56] <noaXess> genii: then good night :)
[09:56] <rethus> can anybody tell me whats for  the archive.cannonical.com
[09:56] <noaXess> Ash-Fox: thats not the problem.. i want check a burned cd that was made in my notebooks cd/dvd/bluray-drive... it can be, that the drive is fault..
[09:56] <ct529> I am using kde 4.3.4 on kubuntu 910 64 bit
[09:57] <Ash-Fox> noaXess, do a md5hash then
[09:57] <rethus> can anybody tell me whats for  the archive.cannonical.com ? i've found them in kPackageKit source settings (not marked)
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> noaXess, make a md5hash of a good disc somewhere on a different computer, then do a md5hash on the same disc.
[09:58] <rethus> and i need a tipp for repositories which are usable in keramic
[09:58] <noaXess> Ash-Fox: ik
[09:58] <Ash-Fox> If the md5hash ends up being different, then there was some problem reading it.
[09:58] <noaXess> ok
[09:58] <rethus> maybe for mozilla, java, eclipse and so on.
[09:58] <ct529> rethus: keramic?
[09:58] <rethus> kubuntu 9.10
[09:59] <ct529> rethus: do you mean karmic as in (k)ubuntu version or keramic as in kde theme?
[09:59] <rethus> karmic :) sorry.
[09:59] <ct529> rethus: wiki.ubuntu.com and search for repositories
[09:59] <rethus> i'm brand new to kubuntu. till yesterday
[09:59] <rethus> change from suse 11.2
[10:00] <Ash-Fox> Just a guess, note that I stick to LTS versions only. deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu karmic-commercial main
[10:00] <Ash-Fox> I have no idea if that's valid.
[10:00] <ct529> rethus: there should be a page with how to add respositories .... also look for special repositories for non-free software
[10:00] <Vroomfondle> you'll find kubuntu is a little less coherent than suse (but generally a bit more up-to-date)
[10:00]  * Daughain chuckles.
[10:01] <Daughain> Can anyone help me configure my dhcpd.conf file?
[10:01] <Ash-Fox> I hope when the next Kubuntu LTS comes out, KDE4 is not lacking in stuff still.
[10:01] <fanti> .join ubuntu
[10:01] <Ash-Fox> Daughain, are you sure you don't want to configure /etc/network/interfaces instead ?
[10:02] <linux> whats about hackers
[10:02] <linux> yes
[10:02] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: Nope, I need my dhcpd.conf looked over and help getting it configured.
[10:02] <trueplaya> hehe
[10:03] <Ash-Fox> Daughain, alright. I haven't got a reference infront of me, last time I configured the daemon was some time ago, but if you stick it on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com I'll take a look. Getting any errors, problems?
[10:04] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: I'm trying to get dhcp and tftp configured for a client install. As far as I can tell, my issue is currently in the dhcpd.conf. I;m connecting, and tftp starts, but it cant find the install file. I'm betting I configured the .conf IPs wrong.
[10:04] <rethus> ct529: arent there lists of repos and there packages anywhere... on wiki-page i didn_t find them
[10:04] <Ash-Fox> Network installs, fun.
[10:06] <Ash-Fox> Daughain, out of curiousity, could you enable more logging in tftp, run through the startup process and then check it's log in /var/log/ to see if the connections are even being established from the client?
[10:07] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: http://pastebin.ca/1749439
[10:09] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: Once I make sure that conf file is done right.
[10:09] <Ash-Fox> Daughain, nothing there screams 'invalid' to me at all.
[10:09] <Daughain> I'm at 20 hours on this, and three people helping.... =)
[10:09] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: OK....The hardware address, is that for the client, or the server system?
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> server system
[10:10] <Daughain> That is what I thought......Ok....Lemme get that edited, and we shall see what happens.
[10:10] <Ash-Fox> Wait a sec.
[10:10]  * Daughain waits.
[10:12] <Daughain> HOw do I find my mac address in ubuntu?
[10:12] <Ash-Fox> Same way you do it on most linux systems, 'ifconfig'
[10:12] <Ash-Fox> Currently just checking the manuals
[10:12] <Daughain> Well, since I have been using linux for about a month, I'm still learning.
[10:14] <ct529> rethus: you must be joking. This is result nr. 3 ifyou search the wiki.ubuntu.com for repositories: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu.
[10:14] <Daughain> I just happento need ot learn this right now, instead of being able to wait till I'm at a point where I hace a better idea what I am doig =)
[10:14] <ct529> rethus: And this is the result page for the search for the word "repositories": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=repositories&titlesearch=Titles
[10:14] <ct529> rethus: all respositories you need
[10:14] <Ash-Fox> No, the hostname thing is for the client according to the manual.
[10:14] <rethus> i searched for non-free
[10:15] <ct529> I would like the system to propose to open dvds with VLC instead of dragonplayer. How do I modify this setting? I am finding the configuration files very complicated to understand .... do I have to creaqte a file in /usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions or in /usr/share/kde4/services/ServiceMenus/ or in both or ....?
[10:15] <Ash-Fox> err the hardware ethernet
[10:15] <ct529> I am using kde 4.3.4 on kubuntu 910 64 bit.
[10:15] <Daughain> Ash-Fox:  Ok....So that is for the client mac address.......
[10:15] <Ash-Fox> Daughain, according to the dhcpd.conf manual, yes.
[10:16] <Daughain> And, the router, dns, and next servers all having the same IP is fine?
[10:16] <Ash-Fox> Provided that's where it's meant to go, yes.
[10:16] <Daughain> Ash-Fox:  Yeah, thats what I need to find out.
[10:17] <Ash-Fox> Well, if you don't know where stuff is meant to go on your network, you can't configure dhcpd at all
[10:17] <Ash-Fox> You need to know what the gateway is, what the dns servers on your network is and what server is hosting tftpd
[10:17] <Daughain> Since there is only one router on the lan at this time, and, it is my net gateway, I assume they are in the right places.
[10:17] <Bonster> any1 no why strigi keeps reindexing?
[10:17] <Ash-Fox> the tftpd wouldn't be your router.
[10:18] <Ash-Fox> It would be your server
[10:18] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: I know I neeeed to knwo all that, and, thats what I am trying to lear.
[10:18] <Ash-Fox> And make sure your dhcp server on your router is turned off
[10:18] <Daughain> yes. IP for server is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:18] <Daughain> <IP_ADDRESS> is the router/gateway
[10:18] <Daughain> <IP_ADDRESS> is the client system
[10:19] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: Errr....hunh?
[10:19]  * Daughain thins he needs more coffee.
[10:20] <Ash-Fox> Well, you need bootp installed
[10:20] <Ash-Fox> allow booting;
[10:20] <Ash-Fox> allow bootp;
[10:20] <Ash-Fox> Should be in your dhcpd.conf
[10:21] <rethus> is synaptik, kpackagekit and aptitude the same way to install packages?
[10:21] <rethus> i ask cause kpackagekit sucks
[10:21] <Bonster> yea is same
[10:21] <Ash-Fox> next-server should be '<IP_ADDRESS>'
[10:21] <rethus> but synaptic isn't installed out of the box?
[10:21] <Daughain> boot installed and set up in dhcp.conf
[10:21] <Bonster> no is not
[10:22] <Daughain> Ok, so, I need to tiurn off dhcp on the router why? I just want to inderstand this, not being wise.
[10:23] <Ash-Fox> Because otherwise you'll have two DHCP servers on then etowrk, and then it depends which server responds first ot theclient for the client to know what it's doing
[10:23]  * Daughain nods..
[10:23] <Daughain> OK, so I can turn it back on after I;m done with this.
[10:23] <otswim> hello, i upgraded to kde 4.4 rc1, is there something to do about the notification 'Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server ...'
[10:23] <Daughain> brb
[10:23] <Ash-Fox> Imagine the DHCP server as a guy with a loudspeaker. You yell out to him, and he yells back information. Now, if you have two people yelling back information, you don't know which person to use
[10:24] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: I actualy did understand the first explanation...Need to reboot router to turn off dhcp. Brb
[10:24] <rethus> how did i navigate in aptitude gui?
[10:24] <leo_> someone know how to boot a recovery partition in samsung
[10:24] <Bonster> otswim, install the virtuoso
[10:24] <rethus> i move to the package and klick + but nothing happends to choose this package
[10:25] <rethus> is there a gtk gui for aptitude too?
[10:25] <otswim> Bonster: how?
[10:25] <Bonster> otswim, open kpackagekit and search for it
[10:26] <Vroomfondle> rethus: yes. It's called synaptic
[10:27] <rethus> k. btw. kubuntu is damn fast ... suse 11.2 (kde 4.3.1) is much slower
[10:28] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: OK, bootp is instaled and working fine. I just hadnt added those lines to what I pastebined.
[10:28] <Daughain> dhcp i=on the router is turned off.
[10:29] <Ash-Fox> Provided tftp is configured, you got the files setup etc. should work now
[10:29] <Daughain> Need to edit next-server setting.....
[10:30] <Daughain> OK, thats done....Sorry, going back over what ya said needed to be fixed, and trying to get it all done. =)
[10:31] <Daughain> DNS server shouold be router, or serever IP?
[10:32] <Ash-Fox> router
[10:33] <Daughain> OK....Lets give it a try.
[10:35] <Daughain> So much for that.....OK..
[10:35] <Daughain> Still fails to find the bootfile.
[10:36] <otswim> i still get 'Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server blabla' even though "virtuoso-server is already the newest version."
[10:36] <rethus> which package shoul i install to be able to compile packages?
[10:36] <rethus> are there a metapackage on kubuntu
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> sudo apt-get install build-common
[10:37] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: WHats the command again to see running process'?
[10:37] <Ash-Fox> ps aux
[10:38] <a2f> just wondering what the best usenet client for kde is
[10:38] <Daughain> ps -A, that was it.
[10:39] <Daughain> Wait......
[10:39] <Daughain> If I am using bootp, why do I need dhcp?
[10:41] <Daughain> If I am using bootp, which then calls tftp, what is the dhcp doing?
[10:42] <Daughain> And, if the dhcp is merely taking the place of the one from my router, then I need to get the bootptab configured properly.....
[10:43] <Daughain> Ash-Fox: Can you help me with that quick?
[10:44] <otswim> i still get 'Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server blabla' even though "virtuoso-server is already the newest version."
[10:44] <ardchoille> Will Kubuntu Luci Lynx be an LTS release?
[10:44] <ardchoille> *Lucid
[10:44] <rethus> ash-fox: i found only build-essential, no build-common.
[10:44] <rethus> have i to add another repo?
[10:45] <Kolia> ardchoille: yes
[10:45] <ardchoille> Kolia: Thank you
[10:46] <APERSON> where can I configure the steps that my volume wheel increments in?
[10:49] <rethus> question for firewall on ubuntu. Have read there are only pichains installed. I have samba, 2 Webserver (lighttpd and apache), mysql on my local server and wish that noone could connect to it if i didn't explicy allow this.
[10:49] <rethus> i'm behind a router. Did i need a firewall?
[10:53] <rethus> and 2. question: how did i add all multimedia-support (non-free)? yesterday greyfox_ tell me something about this, but i forgot it
[10:54] <Daughain> rethus: Adding a software firewall onto your linux box is mostly a matter of choice, how paranoid you are, and if it is a personal system, or business. =)
[10:54] <rethus> business
[10:54] <rethus> on the webserver and mysql are many projects
[10:55] <Daughain> rethus:  I;d advise a software firewall, then.
[10:55] <rethus> what would u use? guarddoc or some other?
[10:56] <Daughain> rethus: I said I would advise one, I didnt say I was in any way qualified to advise *which* one.=)
[10:56] <rethus> ok :D
[10:56] <rethus> you are new on linux or kubuntu?
[10:56] <Daughain> rethus: I prolly know less than you do about linux. =)
[10:57] <Daughain> 1 month, or so, on linux.
[10:57] <rethus> ah, ok. then welcome to the right side of life ;)
[10:57] <rethus> nice to have u on linux-side
[10:57]  * Daughain chuckles...
[10:58] <rethus> i' working over 10 years with linux... certified in redhat and working a long time on suse. But till yesterday i changed to kubuntu
[10:58] <rethus> and i go to love kubuntu.
[10:58] <Daughain> Well, vista and unemployment decided me now was the best time to switch. I have the time to learn what I need to.
[10:58] <rethus> i'm confused why i haven't change erlyer
[10:59] <Daughain> Technically, I'm not running kubuntu. I started with ubuntu instal and added kde later.
[10:59] <Kolia> like many people
[10:59] <Daughain> Kolia: ????Reffering to whos comment>? =)
[10:59] <Joschi> hi
[10:59] <Daughain> Morning.
[10:59] <rethus> i have configured a network on windows 7 (for a friend of my - new notebook) . I only have try 1 hour, but i hate windows7
[11:00] <Daughain> I havent even looked a 7 yet.
[11:00] <Daughain> I expect I will, evebtually.....
[11:00] <APERSON> !ot
[11:00]  * Daughain was waiting for that.
[11:00] <APERSON> :)
[11:01] <rethus> i take 4 hours to get xp and windows7 clients into the same workgroup... buxp must start first, tha... but xp doesn't see windows7 still now...
[11:01] <rethus> windows is like a u-boat - open a window and problems starting
[11:02] <Daughain> My prob is usually windows and linux working together....I need to keep 1 XP box for certain apps, but, samba doesnt seem to like it. =(
[11:02] <Daughain> THats the reason I'm dealing with this lanboot right now. I cant get samba to allow the xp box access to anything, so, need to do an end run.
[11:02] <APERSON> Daughain, what apps? I use either wine or a virtual machine for anything I may need
[11:03] <Daughain> BB apps, mostly.
[11:03] <rethus> i have used xp and suse long time
[11:03] <rethus> works great... like it will do on ubuntu
[11:03] <Daughain> APERSON: I dont know enough yet to get into virtual machines.
[11:03] <APERSON> Daughain, they're easy, virtualbox is a great tool
[11:03] <Daughain> And, the one time I tried wine, it was effectively useless for what I was doing.
[11:04] <rethus> so one trick is don't forget the winbind and nmbd packages and turn of firewall (both, specialy on xp) off while configuring
[11:04] <Daughain> APERSON: I;m a mechanic by trade, and have 1 month on linux. I have about seven projects I need to get done before I have the time to learn VM. =)
[11:04] <Daughain> APERSON: Gimme a few more months, and I expect I will have one running. =)
[11:05] <APERSON> Daughain, fair enough, but I must say, if you can install an operating system, you can run a virtual machine
[11:05]  * Daughain nods...
[11:05] <rethus> did anyone have a hint for a good firewall on ubuntu?
[11:05] <rethus> gui
[11:05] <APERSON> rethus, I use firestarter, which is just a gui for iptables
[11:06] <APERSON> though it hasn't been in development for some time now, it still works for my purposes
[11:06] <Daughain> APERSON: I expect so, but, I need to install linux on this lappy, before I do anythng else, then I have another router I need to add onto my home lan, and, it has a HD I need to get figured in there as well....Once I have al the hardware in place and organized so it is usefull to all systems, then I can start worrying about a VM. =)
[11:07] <Daughain> And, I still havent gotten tftp to find the damn boot file.
[11:07] <APERSON> ah yes, that laptop of yours
[11:08] <Daughain> APERSON: Yup.=)
[11:09] <Daughain> Once I get ubuntu on it, I need to get the removable media on it working....
[11:10] <APERSON> I don't see why you can't just boot from a cd - is the drive physically damaged?
[11:11] <APERSON> I know you were saying there weren't any drivers for it in windows
[11:12] <Daughain> APERSON: I dont know if it is physically damaged or not....I do know that everything on that side of the system doesnt work. That includes the cd, floppy and wireless.
[11:12] <Daughain> And, short of physical damage tot he board, I dont see that hapening easily.
[11:12] <APERSON> ahh
[11:13] <Daughain> And, usualy that much force leaves external evidence.
[11:14] <Daughain> HOwever, trying to boot from a cd, the drive just clicks.....
[11:15] <Daughain> Need to burn an i386 copy of 9.10 one of these days.
[11:15] <chandru> hi
[11:16] <Daughain> Morning.
[11:16] <chandru> i am very much interested in learning the kubuntu, i need any user guide is their
[11:16] <Daughain> APERSON: You familiar with this kind of thing, by any chance?
[11:17] <chandru> no,
[11:17] <APERSON> Daughain, I tried setting something up similar, but failed in my attempts
[11:17] <APERSON> this was also a couple of years ago now
[11:17] <Daughain> APERSON: "Failure is not an option."  =)
[11:18] <APERSON> chandru, http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/guide.php
[11:18] <APERSON> chandru, that'd be an alright spot to get an overview of kde
[11:18] <chandru> ok
[11:18] <Daughain> APERSON: Well, I am slowly getting it srted out, even slower going understanding how it all works.
[11:19] <Daughain> I *think* I have it figured out, but, nooone to ask to see if I am right.
[11:20] <chandru> how to configure the hyper terminal to connect the cisco devices
[11:35] <rethus> need the nvidia-settings for twinview (2 display). which driver should i install?
[11:36] <APERSON> rethus, the latest that ubuntu provides you
[11:37] <rethus> i have the 7300GS
[11:38] <Vroomfondle> rethus: if you do "apt-cache show nvidia-glx-173", for instance, you will see a list of cards supported by that driver
[11:38] <Vroomfondle> the same goes for the other nvidia-glx packages.
[11:40] <Daughain> HOw do I restart dhcp?
[11:40] <rethus> service dhcp restart
[11:40] <Daughain> rethus: What was I saying earlier? =)
[11:40] <Daughain> "dhcp: unrecognized service"????
[11:41] <rethus> mh, didn't know how it named in kubuntu
[11:41] <rethus> have a look in /etc.init.d
[11:41] <Daughain> inet.d restart?
[11:42] <APERSON> isn't dhcp managed by the network-manager now?
[11:42] <rethus> or look "service --status-all"
[11:42] <APERSON> just tab complete after service
[11:42] <APERSON> sudo service <tab>
[11:43] <APERSON> life would suck without tab-completion :)
[11:43] <Daughain> Ok, so far nothing has worked.
[11:44] <Daughain> Got it,.
[11:45] <rethus> APERSON: very strange. NVIDIA-173-kernel-source not installed but nvidia-173-modalias
[11:45] <rethus> so my card is listet in 172 (7300GS)
[11:46] <rethus> so i have to install the kernel-moduls by synapic, or is there a nvidia-installer which automaticly choose the right one?
[11:46] <rethus> and whats about the glx-driver
[11:47] <rethus> i didn't know which nvidia-package i should install
[11:47] <rethus> can anybody help
[11:47] <APERSON> rethus, the restricted drivers manager is for this exact purpose
[11:48] <rethus> restricted drivers manager? how can i find/use them?
[11:48] <Daughain> INteresting.....It doesnt like the IP/subnet combination.
[11:48] <APERSON> rethus, it should be in you menu as 'hardware drivers'
[11:48] <Daughain> wtf
[11:48] <rethus> aperson: thanks... now have learnd a bit of kubuuntu :)
[11:50] <Daughain> rethus:  Stic around... =) You can answer some more of *my* questions. =)
[11:50] <rethus> i go to love kubuntu... only need to now where to find the things
[11:51] <Daughain> I want to try openbsd, once I understand linux a bit better.
[11:54] <Vroomfondle> the only real similarity between the two is the use of a unix-style shell, plus some of the basic tools are roughly equivalent
[11:54] <Vroomfondle> (from a user's perspective, anyway)
[11:54] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: SO I may as well go ahead an tinker with it now as later? =)
[11:54] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: if you're feeling reasonably comfortable with typing unix-style commands then yes
[11:55] <Daughain> Vroomfondle:  Not debian based?
[11:55] <Vroomfondle> you can run GNOME/KDE on OpenBSD too, if you wish
[11:55] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: OpenBSD? No. It's BSD based. Completely different code-base compared to Linux.
[11:55] <Daughain> That might help, then. =)
[11:56]  * Daughain nods.
[11:56] <Vroomfondle> it's only similar because it happens to be "unix-like" and POSIX-compatible, like Linux is.
[11:56] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: I thi I will try them sowly then.=)
[11:57] <Daughain> Comnputers are just a hobby for me.
[11:58] <Daughain> Once I get this OS install done, I need to find out why DE is eating ram.
[11:59] <Daughain> Or if it is firefox.
[12:01] <Daughain> Back to trying to figure out the dhcp.conf agai....
[12:02] <Daughain> WHats wrong with this line:  subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>   ??
[12:03] <Daughain> Wait...If dhcp is encoutering that line as an error, it hasnt been running.....
[12:04] <Vroomfondle> makes sense.
[12:04] <Daughain> If it hasnt been rnning, I havent been using dhcp when connecting to the client system....
[12:04] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: pastebin your file
[12:04] <Daughain> Ergo, I need to get my bootptab configured properly...
[12:05] <Daughain> Which one?
[12:05] <Vroomfondle> the dhcpd.conf one
[12:06] <Vroomfondle> I'm not that hot on it but maybe I'll spot something, you never know ;)
[12:06] <Daughain> I wish I knew what pastebin page it was on.....Lemme post it again.
[12:07] <Daughain> http://pastebin.ca/1749509
[12:09] <Daughain> kde is about tob get on my nerves.
[12:09] <Vroomfondle> hrm... that does look perfectly reasonable
[12:09] <Vroomfondle> does it give a specific error message?
[12:10] <Daughain> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf line 28: subnet <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>: bad subnet number/mask combination.
[12:10] <Daughain> Same error with ot w/o dhcp runnong on router.
[12:10] <Daughain> it==or
[12:11] <Daughain> Need mroe coffee.
[12:11] <rethus> have installed skype 2.1beta. Start it and enter my user and passwd. but always i can't log in... if i try same user and password on skype-page, it works
[12:11] <rethus> there are known bugs?
[12:11] <Daughain> rethus: No clue, Ihavet gotten that far yet.
[12:11] <Daughain> Wait, no, mine worked.....Just never got around to getting my BT configured.
[12:12] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Thats the joke, client system shows that IP and subnet as correct.
[12:12] <APERSON> rethus, have you opened up appropriate ports?
[12:12] <rethus> got the message "Maybe other skype process is running"
[12:12] <Daughain> rethus: By any chance is it set up to start on boot?
[12:14] <rethus> thats not the porblem
[12:14] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: tried <IP_ADDRESS>?
[12:14] <rethus> where does the Directories for compiling sources .. on suse they are on /usr/src/packages/SOURCE, RPMS, packages
[12:15] <rethus> where does they are on kubuntu?
[12:15] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: No sucvh animal.  *.2.1 is the router../
[12:15] <Vroomfondle> but 2.0 is the subnet, surely
[12:15] <Vroomfondle> this is specifying a subnet, not an address
[12:15] <Daughain> I can try.....But, if dhco hasnt been running, then, I;ve been using bootp and tftp.
[12:16] <Daughain> In which case, I need to get my bootptab configured properly....????
[12:16] <Vroomfondle> I guess. Now that I definitely can't help with, I'm afraid - I've never played with bootp
[12:18] <Daughain> Where is the tftp dir?
[12:20] <rethus> if i try to save a file to /usr/src i got no response of firefox. Why? He must tell me that i didn't have the permissions
[12:20] <rethus> or have i something misconfiguratet?
[12:22] <Daughain> rethus: I feel the same way. NOthing I do seems to work.
[12:22] <Vroomfondle> rethus: save it to your home directory, then move it from there using sudo
[12:22] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Yup, apparently that was the edit I needed for dhco.
[12:23] <rethus> Vroomfondle: moe to?
[12:23] <rethus> /usr/src?
[12:23] <Daughain> I'll be a lfying white baboon.
[12:23] <rethus> did u have subffolders on /usr/src/? How did u manage your source-packages?
[12:23] <Vroomfondle> rethus: yeah. "sudo mv myfile.c /usr/src/" should work.
[12:24] <rethus> daughain: for me all works well... i have only some questions, cause kubuntu do something in other manner as suse
[12:24] <Vroomfondle> you can put subdirectories in there if you like, yeah
[12:24] <Daughain> I knew one of those things wasnt configured right.
[12:25] <Daughain> rethus: I was merely reffering to the temp annoyance of not being able to get something figgered out right then.
[12:25] <rethus> Vroomfondle: is there a way to save directly into /usr/src/packages?
[12:25] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: basically you were specifying a full address (which would be expected to point to a PC or other device) rather than a subnet (which points to a range of addresses); dhcpd wanted you to tell it which subnet it should administer.
[12:25] <rethus> so if i change the packages for "world reading" would this still working after reboot, or does the permissions set back to toor?
[12:26] <Vroomfondle> rethus: it would still work after reboot
[12:26] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Ya....I understood that once you made the point about it being a subnet generic, rather than specific.
[12:26] <Vroomfondle> and as far as I know there's no way to save directly. I don't think Firefox supports sudo functionality.
[12:26] <rethus> k, thanks. Caus i remember on suse (for example) the /opt/ direktory will switch back to default permissions
[12:26] <Daughain> Kidz, we have liftoff!
[12:27] <Vroomfondle> rethus: /usr/ will keep its permissions. /tmp/ won't. Not sure about /opt/ on Kubuntu.
[12:27] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: excellent :)
[12:28] <rethus> now i have SOURCES and DEWBS as subfolger off /usr/src/
[12:29] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: I kept thinjing there was an issue with that conf file,  I also knew I didnt know enough to know what it was.
[12:30] <Vroomfondle> I'm off for lunch. Good luck, guys.
[12:30] <Daughain> I wonder if this type install wil format as well.....DOnt all ubuntu installs format?
[12:33] <Daughain> Ok, now for some advice: This lappy is a Pent M 1.8ghz w/512M ram.
[12:33] <Daughain> Will it run kde at a decent speed?
[12:34] <Daughain> Or would it be better off with just gnome?
[12:34] <baxeico_> hi, is there a way to downgrade to kde 4.3.2 (i'm on 4.3.4 from backports now)
[12:37] <APERSON> Daughain, it should run alright
[12:37] <Daughain> APERSON: As in nice and smooth?
[12:37] <APERSON> Daughain, and you can tell the partitioner to do whatever you want during install
[12:37] <APERSON> Daughain, as in, try it and see :P
[12:38] <Daughain> Ya, I got that far.   I'll have to read my scrollback
[12:38] <Daughain> APERSON: :P I usually do.
[12:39] <Daughain> APERSON: Yes, its installing karmic right now.
[12:39] <kgx> whats the easiest and cleaniest way to remove kde4 from kubuntu 9.10? i already have 3.5 on it and want to completely get rid of kde4
[12:40] <Daughain> APERSON: The issue was I used a specific subnet ID instead of the generric subnet at line 28. Once Vroomfondle pointed that out and I edited it, worked like a charm.
[12:40] <kgx> which package should i remove?
[12:41] <Daughain> That was irritating.
[12:41] <Daughain> And, I dont thin oyu can remove kde from ubuntu.
[12:41] <Daughain> Kubuntu.
[12:41] <APERSON> Daughain, sure you can
[12:41] <APERSON> Daughain, sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[12:42] <Daughain> Kubuntu installs gnome also?
[12:42] <Daughain> Or, do you need to install gniome?
[12:42] <APERSON> Daughain, sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[12:42]  * Daughain nods.
[12:42] <APERSON> or xubuntu-deskop if you want to try that
[12:42] <Daughain> Still getting used to how flexible all this is, APERSON  =)
[12:43] <APERSON> Daughain, enjoy it while it's new!
[12:43] <APERSON> Daughain, the magic wears off after a while and you just come to expect it in everything
[12:43] <Daughain> APERSON: WHats the dofference bwtween aptitude and apt-get? Other than preference?
[12:43] <Daughain> APERSON: I am!!! =(
[12:43] <Daughain> =)
[12:44] <APERSON> Daughain, it's a front-end like synaptic or packagekit
[12:44] <Daughain> Once I get the toshi configured, next is to find out what is sucking my ram on this one.
[12:44] <Daughain> APERSON: newbie here.....Not wuite sure what 'front-end' means in this case.
[12:44] <APERSON> Daughain, open up your system monitor and see :)
[12:45] <Daughain> APERSON: system monitor says KDE.
[12:45] <Daughain> :P
[12:45] <APERSON> Daughain, have you used kpackagekit?
[12:45] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: are you sure that something's sucking up all your RAM? Be aware that the concept of "free memory" on Linux is different to what it was in Windows (pre 7).
[12:45] <Daughain> APERSON: Nope, never heard of it till today.
[12:46] <APERSON> Daughain, so you've been using apt directly then?
[12:46] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: 15hr uptime and my ram usage is up to 1471MB.
[12:46] <Daughain> APERSON: aot or synaptics.
[12:46] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: yes, but is it actually usage? Or cache?
[12:46] <Daughain> Mostly apt.
[12:46] <Vroomfondle> Linux will deliberately use up as much RAM as it can get its hands on, all the time.
[12:46] <Vroomfondle> because free RAM is wasted RAM.
[12:46] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: SOunds like windows. :P
[12:47] <Vroomfondle> aye, but Linux actually does something sensible with it ;)
[12:47] <Daughain> vr ok, this is a discussin for another day.
[12:47] <Daughain> LOL.
[12:47] <sea__> Vroomfondle: Really? What happens when something else wants some RAM though?
[12:47] <Daughain> I sure hope so. -)
[12:47] <Vroomfondle> sea__: basically Linux uses up lots of RAM for cache to speed up program loading, file access etc. When an application wants RAM, some of the cache memory is re-allocated.
[12:48] <Vroomfondle> so from the application's point of view there's no problem - it gets to use as much RAM as it needs (assuming there's enough in the system, of course), and Linux re-sizes the cache to make that possible.
[12:48] <sea__> Oh that's nifty.
[12:48] <Vroomfondle> Windows 7 does a similar sort of thing - MS finally caught up after all these years ;)
[12:49] <Daughain> Hmmmm....I may need to let this syste,m stay up for more than 18 hours and see what happens.
[12:49] <APERSON> Daughain, aptitude wraps apt-get and many other programs into one.  Some would argue that aptitude isn't needed anymore, but I still used it as it's a good package manager imho
[12:49] <Daughain> I usualy reboot when the usage is showing 90+%.
[12:50] <APERSON> I'm going on 61 days on my laptop
[12:50] <APERSON> 62*
[12:50] <Daughain> APERSON: Mebbe I need to learn more about aptitude. But, that bisnt a surprise. =)
[12:51] <Daughain> Too used to windows junk, still paranoid, y'know?
[12:51] <Daughain> Wanna hear something entertaining?
[12:51] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: to find out how much RAM is actually in use by apps, type "free -m" and look at the number for "+/- buffers/cache free"
[12:52] <rfgergrthnre> If Linux is so perfect, why does this channel exist?
[12:52] <Daughain> Oh, wow.....This install method is neat!!!!! It appears to install the ubuintu skeleton, then asks you to choose anything more you want to include...
[12:52] <APERSON> because humans aren't.
[12:52] <Vroomfondle> that's how much RAM you've effectively got going spare for apps to use (though as I say it may technically be in use for cache, currently - but you don't need to worry about that)
[12:52] <APERSON> Daughain, ubuntu-minimal?
[12:52] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Hold that thought, I need to configure the client for a min.
[12:53] <Daughain> I hater whe I hit the wrong button.
[12:53] <Daughain> APERSON: I guess....
[12:53] <Daughain> Well, mebbe not instaling anything extra at thus point is a good thing.
[12:54] <Daughain> Only has a 30G drive in it. =(
[12:54] <Vroomfondle> yeah. Go for basic install then build up from there.
[12:54]  * Daughain nods.
[12:54] <APERSON> Daughain, for perspective, I run ubuntu on a 4GB eeepc
[12:55] <APERSON> I'm using about 2GB for the install
[12:55] <Daughain> APERSON: I know it can be done, Im ust used to the live-cd install. In this case I am using what was called a 'desktop edition install'.
[12:56] <APERSON> eh?
[12:57] <Daughain> Where, once I install the basic files via tftp, the rest is done by dl from repo, and install in realtime via dl. Least, thats how it appears to be working.
[12:57] <digmore> hi, ifconfig -a only shows lo. There is no "eth". How can I fix this issue
[12:57] <APERSON> so in otherwords, ubuntu-minimal
[12:58] <Daughain> OK, its usingthe mini.iso install.
[12:58] <Daughain> Yup.
[12:59] <Daughain> Just hope I can get the dead side of the board working.
[13:00] <Daughain> Wireless and dvd, at least.
[13:00] <Daughain> Whats the difference between grub and grub 2?
[13:01] <vinnie_> im getting this error at the bottom of the dolphin window when trying to open a directory as root, using the root action in the right click context menu. http://imagebin.org/79696 can someone please tell me why this happens?
[13:02] <APERSON> Daughain, grub2 has lots of improvements over grub
[13:02] <APERSON> !grub2 > aperson
[13:02] <Daughain> OK, time to test the pudding.....
[13:06] <Daughain> Well, pure cmd line interface.
[13:08] <Daughain> OK, the easy way to install kde is apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[13:22] <Daughain> INstalled kubuntu desktop, now screen is blank.......Any thoughts?
[13:22] <Daughain> Or, do I just need to wait for this old proccy to get done installing everything? =)
[13:22] <APERSON> Daughain, how did you install it?
[13:23] <Daughain> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[13:23] <Daughain> I scrolled back. =)
[13:23] <kriss3d__> anyone else having problems with kopete not letting me sign on to msn ?
[13:24] <Daughain> lights show the hd doing something...
[13:24] <APERSON> Did you reboot the machine after it was done installing?
[13:25] <Daughain> APERSON: Not yet......I was writing an email, when I was done, I noticed the blank screen. It was still running thorugh the install when I started the email.
[13:25] <Daughain> Go ahead and reboot
[13:25] <Daughain> ?
[13:26] <Daughain> Hmmmmm......Hd still sounds like it is writing...
[13:26] <APERSON> Daughain, hit right control
[13:26] <Daughain> Thsnks. Its still installking.
[13:26] <APERSON> Daughain, the tty blanks the screen after awhile
[13:26]  * Daughain nods.
[13:27] <Daughain> THats why I asked here, instead of doing a hardw reboot.=)
[13:27] <APERSON> Daughain, as long as you have sysreq keys, you shouldn't really ever need to do one of those :)
[13:27] <Daughain> APERSON: sysreq??
[13:28] <APERSON> Daughain, should be where print screen is
[13:29] <APERSON> that's a lesson for another day I think :)
[13:29] <Daughain> Lappy, APERSON , Those keys are scattered, but now Iknow which ones ya aee talking about.
[13:29] <Daughain> There are plenty of those lessons. =)
[13:30] <APERSON> if you ever care to read about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[13:30] <Daughain> Right now, I'm wondering if there is neough time for me to shower before the install finishes =)
[13:32] <Daughain> Hmmmm...Need to see how much 250G would be on bthe ubuntu cloud.
[13:34] <Daughain> HOw to reboot from cmd line>? I have a prompt again.
[13:34] <APERSON> sudo reboot
[13:34] <Daughain> Cool. I shouljda guessed that one.
[13:34] <rethus> i have installed pidgin. Before (suse 11.2) it was shown in KDE-Systemtray. now its not. How can i add this programm to systemtray
[13:34] <APERSON> rethus, should be a plugin iirc
[13:35] <rethus> did u know which plugin it is?
[13:35] <APERSON> rethus, something along the lines of system-tray
[13:35] <APERSON> I think
[13:35] <APERSON> otherwise, it's a setting in pidgin somewhere
[13:36] <Daughain> pidgin has a systems tray icon....
[13:37] <APERSON> rethus, open up pidgin's preferences, it's on the first page (first option too)
[13:40] <xoen> Hi all
[13:40] <Daughain> morning.
[13:40] <xoen> I've seen there is no information on the website about donations
[13:43] <Daughain> OK, got the nvidia driver screen up, and, when I click on activate, it doesnt do anything.....????
[13:43] <rethus> APERSON: thanks works
[13:51] <APERSON> Daughain, hmm... I've actually never installed the drivers with the driver manager
[13:53] <Daughain> Right now, I;d just like the thing to notice the lan.
[13:55] <Daughain> Ok, have internet, but that was strange.
[13:57] <egonw_> can I ask here about 4.4rc1? just installed the beta packages for karmic, but akonadi gives fatal errors while booting, and not sure how to get it to use the virtuoso packages... any pointers?
[14:02] <Daughain> How do I uninstall konq and kopete?
[14:02] <Tm_T> why you would like to uninstall those?
[14:03] <Daughain> Because I cant stand them, and, the eprson I am setting this system up for isnt used to them.
[14:03] <Tm_T> roger
[14:04] <Tm_T> use the regular add/remove programs tool, aka kpackagekit, or, with commandline "sudo apt-get remove konqueror kopere"
[14:04] <Daughain> And, with this tiny hd, no reasn to keep apps tat will never get used./
[14:04] <Tm_T> true
[14:04] <Tm_T> though, Konqueror shouldn't take much space
[14:05] <Daughain> Neither do, but this only has 30G.
[14:05] <Daughain> And I know she wil load it down as fast as she can pretty much, so, I dont see any reason to take up rom with something she will never use.
[14:06] <Daughain> WHats the oackage name for firefox install via cmdline?
[14:06] <Daughain> Package, even?
[14:07] <Daughain> nm
[14:07] <Vroomfondle> just firefox
[14:08]  * Daughain nods.
[14:19] <Daughain> strange....kpackage thing wouldnt fulfuill dependencies for a gimp addon,m but installed just fine from cmdline.
[14:31] <SwissTorExit> hello to everyone, just want add the chan , great day :P
[14:32] <Oxymis> OSX Vs Windows Vs Linux
[14:32] <SwissTorExit> hi Oxymis , for me linux :P
[14:32] <Oxymis> yep, im using kubuntu
[14:32] <Oxymis> duh thats why im here
[14:32] <SwissTorExit> me too
[14:32] <Daughain> linux, what a surprise in here. =P
[14:32] <SwissTorExit> eheheheh for sue
[14:33] <Oxymis> but im really tired of the macheads
[14:33] <SwissTorExit> sure*
[14:33] <APERSON> !ot
[14:33] <Oxymis> okay sorry
[14:33] <SwissTorExit> well my english are not very good, so i will ned translate so such word
[14:33] <SwissTorExit> sorry
[14:34] <APERSON> !se
[14:36] <Daughain> WHats the pakage name to install flash player?
[14:36] <Daughain> Or do I need to use the dl on the adobe site?
[14:37] <iconmefisto> !flash
[14:37] <APERSON> Daughain, flashplugin-nonfree
[14:37] <Daughain> thanks
[14:37] <APERSON> Daughain, whenever I'm looking for a package, I do a aptitude search foo
[14:38] <genii> Daughain: If you want java, flash, mp3 and other stuff all in one shot use kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:38] <Daughain> genii: Thaty explains why I have never had to ask this before.. =)
[14:39] <Daughain> I'm just hoping sound works OOB.
[14:40]  * Vroomfondle passes Daughain a lucky rabbit-foot and a book of incantations
[14:40]  * Daughain accepts them both and kneels down to study the book...
[14:46] <rethus> aperson: can u minimize firestarter to tray ?
[14:47] <rethus> ah, i got it in the settings
[14:48] <APERSON> rethus, yep, and there's a switch you can set in the launcher to start it minimized as well
[14:52] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Thanksm still didnt help.
[14:53] <Daughain> OK, any ideas on youtube sound?
[14:55] <Daughain> Or any flash sound?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> Daughain, any audio on other apps ?
[14:58] <Daughain> I dont think so, hasnt made a beep yet.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> try playing a mp3 or something
[15:00] <Daughain> trying to find one. :P
[15:01] <Daughain> BluesKaj: This is a *very* fresh install. =)
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:02] <Daughain> And, the sys still uses usb1, so everything loads 6 times slower.
[15:03] <BluesKaj> try system settings /multimedia /music, choose the soundcard then test , see if you get any audio
[15:03] <Daughain> Npe.
[15:03] <Daughain> Alrady done that
[15:03] <BluesKaj> is pulseaudio listed
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:04] <Daughain> I think it was, but as soon as I tried to test, it said nope, and defaulted back to the soundcard
[15:05] <Daughain> It was pulse or alsa, I frget which.
[15:06] <Daughain> As old as this toshiba is, I expected everything would already be standardized for it.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> well, it's alsa , because it's actually the kernel source driver. Pulseaudio is just another layer that ppl can use for more control if they install the GUI , but mostly it's quite useless IMO
[15:07] <Daughain> Well, I appear to have nothing for sound.
[15:08] <otswim> hello, i've upgraded to kde 4.4 RC1, but now i get 'Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server to store its data. ...' even though i've installed the package virtuoso-server
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Daughain, ok lets try this : asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[15:08] <werfact> otswim: you can disable it and forget about it
[15:09] <Daughain> waiting for the system to atch up to me.
[15:09] <werfact> Daughain: whats the problem?
[15:09] <Daughain> 1.7ghz/512M ram.
[15:09] <otswim> werfact: i don't know what is nepomuk for, but isn't great? :D
[15:09] <Daughain> and usb1. =(
[15:10] <werfact> otswim: nepomuk tracks the metadata of files, used for search
[15:10] <otswim> werfact: the metadata? that can be useful right? so why disable it?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Daughain, are you running your OS on a USB outboard drive ...that expalins it
[15:10] <werfact> otswim: well, it's useless, unless you do a lot of searching
[15:11] <Daughain> No, OS onboard, trying to find some kind of media file to play from outboard. :P
[15:11] <BluesKaj> nepomuk nevr did much for me
[15:11] <otswim> werfact: my job is to search :d
[15:11] <Ramblurr> is anyone able to browse samba shares in dolphin?
[15:11] <Daughain> This thing is running worser than it dd on XP.
[15:12] <werfact> otswim: what kind of searching are you talking about,
[15:13] <otswim> werfact: research; but it was just a joke
[15:13] <werfact> otswim: it's used for desktop search
[15:13] <otswim> yes i know, i just disabled it i don't think it will be useful you're right
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Ramblurr, yes , use the network option
[15:14] <Daughain> asoundconf: command not found
[15:15] <werfact> Daughain: what are you trying to do
[15:15] <Daughain> Get sound on this antique toshiba laptop.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Daughain, I was afraid of that asound is no longer with us ...bummer:(
[15:16] <Daughain> Ya, I jst installed ksrmic.
[15:16] <werfact> Daughain: all you should really need is alsa alsa-oss
[15:16] <BluesKaj> Daughain, speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[15:16] <werfact> Daughain: i mean alsa and alsa-oss
[15:17] <bo7amny> iam using kubuntu 9.10 and i want to connect my 3g modem and it dos not work , unlike in ubuntu 9.10 it works just fine , can i install the netwok program that in ubuntu to kubuntu ?
[15:18] <Daughain> werfact: Ok, installing them.....
[15:18] <Daughain> I need to logout or reboot?
[15:19] <werfact> Daughain: also by default (probably bug) sets the pcm to 0, so you might think the sound doesnt work
[15:19] <Daughain> werfact: pom???
[15:19] <Daughain> pcm, even?
[15:20] <werfact> the voulme of pcm line,  which basically means your volume is all the way down
[15:20] <BluesKaj> bo7amny, yes you can
[15:21] <Daughain> werfact: One of the first thigns I did was go and turn the volume up in kmix
[15:21] <werfact> Daughain: yeah but make sure pcm and front are all the way up, then regulate with master
[15:22] <Daughain> werfact: Once it reboots...
[15:23] <Daughain> Kinda forgot this was a minimal install.
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Daughain, again try this :  speaker-test -c2 -Ddefault -t wav
[15:24] <Daughain> BUt, damn it runs like junk....
[15:25] <Daughain> No sound, nothing on boot at all.
[15:25] <werfact> Daughain: also check your /etc/rc.conf   if the alsa daemon got added to it
[15:25] <werfact> if not , just add alsa
[15:25] <werfact> in the daemon section
[15:26] <werfact> Daughain: well im not on ubuntu , so not sure if thats the same section
[15:26] <Daughain> And the system *just* finished rbeooting, so now I try to catch up on all the help.=)
[15:29] <Daughain> BluesKaj: Um....How do I get that to stop?
[15:29] <Daughain> Close term... I got it.
[15:30] <Daughain> Thanks guys, we got sound now.
[15:31] <werfact> woohooo
[15:33] <Daughain> werfact: After the 30 hours to get the install done in the forst place, sound was nothing. =)
[15:33] <werfact> Daughain: puppy would probably be better for that pc
[15:33] <werfact> runs much faster
[15:34] <soee> hi
[15:34] <Daughain> If it will run xchat, fiurefox and pidgin, it might be an idea.
[15:34] <werfact> Daughain: lol, were you installing via the dialup?
[15:35] <Daughain> werfact: No lanboot.
[15:35] <Daughain> Had to configure dhcp, tftp
[15:35] <werfact> soee: supsup
[15:35] <Daughain> werfact: BTW, I started with linux about 1 month ago.
[15:35] <APERSON> Daughain, instead of just closing the terminal, try ctrl+c :)
[15:35] <soee> werfact: all good :)
[15:36] <Daughain> APERSON: I'll try to remember that for next time, =)
[15:39] <Daughain> OK, now tme for breakfast, I think. Thats all. =)
[15:39] <Daughain> Thanks, even.
[15:40] <Daughain> Mebbe sleep should be soon too....
[15:40] <werfact> yup
[15:40] <Daughain> A shower and food should work. =) See ya in a bit.
[15:56] <dudu> hi all
[15:56] <dudu> any one with vmware esx experience?
[16:01] <APERSON> !ask
[16:24] <Daughain> My monitor dsapeared...
[16:24] <KARMIC_PS3> anyone else on a ps3 or consider them selves knowledgable in that area
[16:24] <Daughain> WHats a ps3?
[16:24] <KARMIC_PS3> playstation 3
[16:25] <Daughain> Think that answers it from my end.
[16:25] <Daughain> A game thing running linux. Thats pretty cool.
[16:25] <Daughain> Pros, man,
[16:25] <Daughain> Props.
[16:26] <KARMIC_PS3> yeah im trying to find a version of wine that supports powerpc core
[16:26] <TheAncientGoat> Dude. Why do you want to do that?
[16:26] <TheAncientGoat> Did they manage to get gfx accel working on it?
[16:27] <KARMIC_PS3> not yet that i know of gfx still a major set back for me
[16:27] <TheAncientGoat> Yep. Thats pretty much the reason I didn't mess around with linux on mine.. that, and very few progs have ppc support these days
[16:28] <Vroomfondle> erm, WINE on powerpc would be pointless, unless you have a Windows application which makes *only* win32 API calls and does absolutely nothing else, and is compiled for powerpc.
[16:28] <Vroomfondle> wine doesn't do processor emulation.
[16:29] <KARMIC_PS3> well i get mostly everything i need working except for wine the packages i dl for ppc all seem to have missing files
[16:29] <Daughain> WHat package do I need to install for mutiple monitor support?
[16:30] <KARMIC_PS3> what dist
[16:30] <Daughain> i386 karmic.
[16:30] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: it should already be available, as long as you have the right graphics driver installed
[16:30] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: Oh, goody, back to the nvidia driver that refuses to install.
[16:30] <Vroomfondle> KARMIC_PS3: I don't understand. What are you planning to run using wine? Is it a custom application for which you own the source code?
[16:31] <Vroomfondle> because any commercial application which has been compiled for intel won't work under Wine, period.
[16:31] <KARMIC_PS3> just try to type monitor into synaptic
[16:32] <KARMIC_PS3> well i got win3.1 to install on dosbox so i could play an old game called castle of the winds
[16:32] <Vroomfondle> yes, but dosbox does CPU emulation
[16:32] <Vroomfondle> wine does not
[16:32] <Vroomfondle> you can use dosbox to run x86 apps on a powerpc processor. You cannot use wine to do the same thing.
[16:32] <KARMIC_PS3> so why cant i get a version past 3.1 to install with dosbox
[16:32] <Vroomfondle> You could use vritualisation software such a virtualbox, and install Windows in that
[16:33] <KARMIC_PS3> okay weel than i was just misinformed about wine
[16:33] <KARMIC_PS3> i have the same prob with virtualbox finding a version for ppc
[16:34] <Vroomfondle> KARMIC_PS3: try qemu? It's a bit harder to use but AFAIK it runs on powerpc
[16:35] <KARMIC_PS3> yeah i have qemu but it freezes when it goes to load
[16:35] <KARMIC_PS3> its an older version i couldnt get newer versions
[16:35] <KARMIC_PS3> to install on ppc
[16:35] <Vroomfondle> the powerpc platform is getting a bit neglected these days
[16:35] <Daughain> Ok.....How do I get the nvidia accelerated graphics driver (ver 96) to install, or activate, or whatever?
[16:36] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: are you seeing an error message?
[16:36] <Daughain> Do i need a wrapper for this sucker?
[16:36] <Vroomfondle> shouldn't do
[16:36] <Daughain> Not via kde.....
[16:36] <Vroomfondle> Daughain: try using apt-get to install nvidia-glx-96
[16:36] <Daughain> ANyone know howto start it from cmdline?
[16:37] <Vroomfondle> then, if I remember correctly, you may have to run a setup script (something like nvidia-glx-setup or something)
[16:37]  * Daughain chuckles..
[16:37] <genii> nvidia-settings
[16:37] <Vroomfondle> (it's been a while since I used such an old driver!)
[16:37] <genii> Daughain: There is also jockey-text
[16:37] <KARMIC_PS3> what is AFAIK
[16:38] <genii> KARMIC_PS3: "As Far As I Know"
[16:38] <Daughain> Yet another strange itwm that installs via cmd lin, but not gui.
[16:38] <KARMIC_PS3> okay thought it was a prog for a sec lol
[16:39] <Daughain> genii: Dont nvidia settings come with the driver instLL?
[16:40] <Vroomfondle> I thought with the old version of the driver there was a script you had to run manually in order to update the xorg config. That said, these days xorg configures itself automatically so maybe it's no longer required.
[16:40] <genii> Daughain: nvidia-settings  is the command-line app you run after the driver has installed, to make correct xorg.conf entries, checks the modelines, etc
[16:41] <Daughain> Vroomfondle: xorg sets itself for most things..... =)
[16:43] <KARMIC_PS3> when using qemu do you have to configure a c:. cause i go thru the setup a new system instructions which include choosing a processor, a boot image, and something else, but never asks for a home dir or anything
[16:43] <Daughain> Hmmmm....hat said I didnt have a /etc/x11/xorg.conf......Hmm
[16:43] <KARMIC_PS3> and i figure thats why it freezes cause it has nowhere to install
[16:45] <Daughain> whats the path to restart the xserver?
[16:45] <APERSON> Daughain, you can do a sudo service kdm restart
[16:45] <genii> Daughain: sudo start kdm            (or gdm or so on)
[16:45] <Daughain> Ah,opk.
[16:46] <Daughain> xserver is part of kdm....
[16:46] <KARMIC_PS3> how hard is it to setup gen2
[16:46] <Daughain> Slowly getting this figured out. =)
[16:47] <iconmefisto> Daughain: kdm requires xserver to work, but xserver is not really "part of" it
[16:48] <KARMIC_PS3> the instructsions talked about configuring 3 stages of tarballs and compiling the kernel...... seemed to complex
[16:48] <Daughain> OK, restarting kdm loads the xserver, then?
[16:48] <iconmefisto> Daughain: yeah
[16:48] <Daughain> Am I supposed to still have a blank screen?
[16:49] <Daughain> iconmefisto: Thanks,.
[16:50] <Daughain> Next time Ill just reboot. That seems to work.
[16:50] <Vroomfondle> KARMIC_PS3: you mean gentoo?
[16:50] <Vroomfondle> it's not too bad - the instructions are pretty good
[16:50] <Vroomfondle> but it does take a long time
[16:51] <Vroomfondle> (everything's compiled from source - takes ages)
[16:51] <Vroomfondle> back in the day, it used to take days to install a Gentoo system. I imagine it now takes at least a few hours even on a modern computer.
[16:51] <Daughain> Hmmm......lanboot via linux allows me to load an OS onto a client system, as long as I have a viable .iso, right?
[16:51] <genii> If you have dialup be prepared to duct tape the phones down for a week
[16:51] <genii> ( compiling gentoo )
[16:51] <KARMIC_PS3> yeah but 2 was quicker
[16:53] <KARMIC_PS3> well i only have wireless internet and cant get a term to connect via wireless
[16:53] <Vroomfondle> yeah, wifi will probably be an issue
[16:54] <APERSON> Daughain, should
[16:55] <KARMIC_PS3> yeah cause i got a gentoo livecd and it looks nice on a ps3 but install didnt seem realistic
[16:55] <Daughain> Hmmmm......This is not good....
[16:56] <Daughain> APERSON: Kinda thought so, since the injected files can al be changed......Thats interesting to note. =)
[16:56] <KARMIC_PS3> i dont understand why a dist can have a livecd but cant install without an ic
[16:56] <Daughain> ic?
[16:56] <KARMIC_PS3> internet connection
[16:57] <Daughain> ah.
[16:59] <Daughain> with linux, I cn see that, considering how often things are updated.
[16:59] <Daughain> Or, quickly, if you prefer.
[16:59] <KARMIC_PS3> this is the error message i get when i try to get virtualbox
[16:59] <KARMIC_PS3> well never mind it wont paste
[17:00] <Daughain> pastebin is our freind.
[17:00] <KARMIC_PS3> but its a failed to fetch error and says something about malformed version
[17:00] <Vroomfondle> virtualbox probably just doesn't really support powerpc. It does paravirtualisation which (as far as I understand it) involves not emulating a whole processor. QEMU emulates the whole processor, if you can get it to run.
[17:01] <steven__> moin
[17:01] <Daughain> This is not good.....After nvidia, I *only* have a screen if my external monitor is plugged in at boot.
[17:02] <Daughain> If not, I get blank on the laptop screen.
[17:02] <KARMIC_PS3> well i got the one version to install. but also on that my repos dont detect it as having been install and therfor wont update it
[17:03] <werfact> KARMIC_PS3: what package manager?
[17:03] <KARMIC_PS3> synaptic
[17:03] <werfact> KARMIC_PS3: use console
[17:04] <Daughain> Now this may be a fun one for everybody.
[17:04] <APERSON> Daughain, try nvidia-settings
[17:04] <KARMIC_PS3> apt-get install qemu? do i need to add a new repo first
[17:04] <APERSON> KARMIC_PS3, shouldn't
[17:05] <Daughain> APERSON: And, then what?
[17:05] <APERSON> Daughain, you should be able to configure your displays there
[17:05] <KARMIC_PS3> okay ill try. how do you do the little orange bar over my name thingy.
[17:06] <APERSON> !tab > APERSON
[17:06] <Daughain> OK, kde wallet has got to go.
[17:06] <APERSON> Daughain, annoying?  I just gave mine a blank password
[17:06] <APERSON> KARMIC_PS3, use people's nicks in your messages
[17:07] <iconmefisto> is there any point to using kwallet with a blank password?
[17:07] <Daughain> Irritating. I chose it on this system, and, I cant get inet until I give the thing a pwd. I just want it off the system entirely.
[17:08] <iconmefisto> you can just disable kwallet. look in systemsettings
[17:08] <APERSON> Daughain, that's why I gave mine a blank password :)
[17:08] <APERSON> it won't bug you
[17:08] <Daughain> WHere do I find edid.bin?
[17:10] <APERSON> Daughain, find / -name edid.bin ?
[17:10] <Daughain> Lemme see if I can find it on this syste,.
[17:11] <KARMIC_PS3> you know i had a problem with my screen bein blank after i tried to install my ps3 controller as a mouse which included modding the xorg.conf file. which wasnt there and it said to create it. but when i restarted x wouldnt start to fix mine i just deleted the xorg.conf file and it works fine now.....but i think thats only will work on karmic cause i previously used ydl and i know it relied on the xorg.conf file to  start x
[17:13] <Daughain> No good.....OK, nvidia settings is showing the internal monitor as effectively not existing.,
[17:14] <Daughain> Ah, found the settings...
[17:15] <KARMIC_PS3> what WM or DE does linspire use
[17:16] <genii> KARMIC_PS3: Xandros/Linspire usually ships with KDE
[17:17] <KARMIC_PS3> xandros did they change the name again
[17:18] <Tm_T> I like to kindly remind that we have chatter channel #kubuntu-offtopic (:
[17:19] <KARMIC_PS3> is there a qemu channel
[17:21] <KARMIC_PS3> okay in terminal mode it tells me that qemu is already at its most up to date version so why wont synaptics let me install a frontend for it
[17:21] <whizard> hi
[17:21] <KARMIC_PS3> it says qemu is not installabe
[17:22] <KARMIC_PS3> installable
[17:23] <jarek> I'm looking for some PPA repository with KDETV for KDE4. Is it awvailable somwere?
[17:24] <KARMIC_PS3> whats a ppa repo
[17:24] <KARMIC_PS3> i added on the other day but i dont know the difference between that and one in deb http://............ format
[17:25] <APERSON> KARMIC_PS3, a ppa is a personal package archive.  they are repositories that are created by users
[17:26] <KARMIC_PS3> O okay
[17:27] <jarek> so, the question remains that same, anyone know about KDETV for KDE4?
[17:28] <KARMIC_PS3> i dont know what happened to my install but when i shut down last nite qemu wasnt seen as not installed by synaptics and today it shows up as installed and will let me get all the associated software for it now... works for me but i wonder why.
[17:29] <KARMIC_PS3> ill look for the ppa
[17:29] <Daughain> OK, this is gonna be fun. nvidia settings refuses to save any changes I make.
[17:30] <APERSON> Daughain, run it as root
[17:30] <Tm_T> not as root but with kdesu
[17:30] <APERSON> I'm sorry "with root privileges"
[17:31] <Daughain> APERSON: Running it as root doesnt even give me the internal lcd as an option. =)
[17:31] <jarek> I'm googled for this, but without success. Any volunteer for compiling this?
[17:32] <jarek> You can found this in playground
[17:32] <Daughain> Mebbe I got it...
[17:32] <APERSON> jarek, if you're on a 64bit arch I can give it a shot
[17:32] <jarek> yes, I am
[17:32] <APERSON> jarek, then pm me the details, I'll give it a go
[17:39] <KARMIC_PS3> anyone know of a version of yahooim or something like it that can be used on ppc
[17:39] <inclement> In KDE 3, konqueror used to be able to open pdfs in tabs by embedding kpdf, but I can't work out how to do the same for dolphin and okular. Is this possible?
[17:46] <iconmefisto>  inclement: my konqueror still opens pdfs in konqueror. what happens when you right-click, open in new tab/window, or middle-click the pdf?
[17:47] <rethus> i have installet kdenetwork-filesharing. how can i now configurate my samba?
[17:48] <inclement> iconmefisto: I've just checked, and konqueror does still do that. I had assumed that dolphin could too, since they're similar (maybe I'm just wrong here), but dolphin has no option to embed okular - not 'open in new tab' option, and middle click doesn't work
[17:54] <iconmefisto> konq and dolphin do share components, but konqeror still has more features and options
[17:55] <marek_> hi
[17:55] <marek_> please help me
[17:56] <marek_> were is ubuntu channel polisch ?
[17:56] <iconmefisto> !pl
[17:57] <iconmefisto> that's polish, right?
[17:57] <inclement> iconmefisto: Okay, thank you
[18:04] <rethus> where can i configure my printer in kubuntu?
[18:07] <Daughain> I had better resolution before installing the damn nvidia crap.
[18:10] <daverag> Hello guys, I'm trying to have a cron job every 2 minutes but it doesn't seem to work
[18:10] <daverag> this is my command:  */2 * * * *  executable
[18:10] <daverag> I can't use the kcron utility because it erases the selected times
[18:10] <rethus> where can i configure my printer in kubuntu?
[18:10] <iconmefisto> rethus: systemsettings
[18:12] <rethus> ahh, i''m blind.. have look serveral times, but didn't see it :D
[18:12] <Daughain> If removing the nvidia junmk doesnt give me back the screen, I'm gonna do a friggin OS reinstall.
[18:14] <Daughain> This nvidia stuff is mor eirritating than doing the install.....Hey, this is cool, removing nvidia put me back to a command prompt.
[18:14] <Daughain> OK, reinstall kde, I guess.'
[18:14] <Daughain> About to install gnome and have done with it.
[18:15] <Daughain> SInce when is kwin an unrecognized service?????
[18:19] <Daughain> how do I restart the desktop environ?
[18:21] <iconmefisto> sudo service kdm start
[18:21] <iconmefisto> /etc/init.d/kdm start
[18:21] <iconmefisto> startx
[18:21] <iconmefisto> one of those
[18:22] <Daughain> removed it.
[18:23] <iconmefisto> removed what?
[18:23] <Daughain> kubuntu-desktop.
[18:24] <Daughain> I'm still stuc on how installing the nvidia drivers screwed up the whole desktop.
[18:26] <Daughain> OK, reinstall time.
[18:26] <iconmefisto> did it create a xorg.conf ?
[18:26]  * Daughain shrugs.
[18:27] <iconmefisto> ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:27] <Daughain> I'm stuck at cmd prompt, and do no know the fuling architecture anywhere near well enough to navigate it to find out anything.
[18:27] <Daughain> fuling==filing.
[18:28] <viruz> hello
[18:28] <Daughain> removed, the reinstalled kubuntu-desktop, reboot, cmd prompt. Run kdm service, get told it is already running, still no gui.....Time for a groundup.
[18:29] <iconmefisto> Daughain: does   ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf   say the file doesn't exist?
[18:29] <viruz> is there any order? or should i just post my problems?
[18:29] <Daughain> No such file.
[18:29] <Daughain> Just post viruz
[18:29] <viruz> i fail with installing the drivers of my xfx radeon hd4890
[18:30] <Daughain> May need to locate tyhe package bame and install via apt-get
[18:30] <viruz> neither via the "proprietary driver" thing nor with the "sh downloadname.run"
[18:31] <Daughain> There is also the questionof whether that driver needs a wrapper of some kind as well.=(
[18:31] <viruz> i get the kubuntu loading screen and at the time kde should start, i get 3-4 sparkling white horizontal lines, after 5 secs or so the monitor says out of range
[18:31] <Daughain> iconmefisto: /etc/x11/xorg.conf: No such file or dirctory./
[18:31] <viruz> x_64
[18:32] <viruz> kubuntu downloaded today
[18:32] <Daughain> viruz: SOrry, I cant help ya. =) I'm having my own graphics issues.. =)
[18:32] <Daughain> removed the nvidia driver, abd my whoe gui left too.
[18:33] <viruz> already thought that :-/
[18:33] <Daughain> command prompt with kdm service running.
[18:34] <viruz> how big is the chance that ill get help within the next 2 hours?
[18:35] <Galvatron> Hi
[18:35] <Daughain> viruz: No clue, all depends on who is here and how busy they are.
[18:35] <Daughain> Morning, Galvatron
[18:35] <viruz> hi
[18:36] <iconmefisto> viruz: can you switch to a virtual terminal?
[18:36] <viruz> im currently @ windows
[18:36] <Galvatron> From tme to time, my Kubuntu 9.04 freezes j8st after loading desktop
[18:36] <viruz> at which moment should i be able to switch to the terminal?
[18:37] <viruz> when gfx sucked up?
[18:37] <Galvatron> I use Compiz-Fusion (Kwin turned off), Radeon 9200SE (open "radeon" driver" = the same with "ati")
[18:37] <iconmefisto> viruz: ok, when you boot into kubuntu, if you get "out of range" on your monitor, try ctrl-alt-F1 and log in in text mode
[18:37] <viruz> that works
[18:38] <Galvatron> After freeze I can't switch to virtual terminals or reset X
[18:38] <viruz> i resetet driver to vesa with that
[18:38] <iconmefisto> viruz: are you in windows on another pc?
[18:38] <viruz> no :-/
[18:38] <Galvatron> Only compinations with Alt + SysRq work, but not fully
[18:38] <viruz> sudo aticonfig --adapter=0 --initial
[18:39] <viruz> thats 1 more thing i tried
[18:39] <viruz> it just produces the same error
[18:39] <viruz> but i get a message
[18:39] <iconmefisto> viruz: ok, when logged in in a text console, use xrandr to set correct resolution
[18:39] <viruz> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyUninitialised file found, configuring.
[18:41] <iconmefisto> viruz: did you manually install ati driver?
[18:47] <viruz> i did 3 things
[18:47] <viruz> 1: installed it with the proprietary driver thing, failed->vesa
[18:48] <viruz> 2: installed it with sudo sh donwloadedfile.run->gives an error before its installed
[18:48] <viruz> ill do it again
[18:48] <viruz> dont know the text
[18:49] <viruz> 3: sudo aticonfig --adapter=0 --initial, failed->vesa
[18:49] <iconmefisto> what does "failed -> vesa" mean?
[18:49] <viruz> well, it failed and i set driver back to vesa
[18:49] <iconmefisto> how?
[18:49] <viruz> manually editing the xorg.conf
[18:50] <viruz> replacing fglrx with vesa
[18:50] <iconmefisto> what version of kubuntu?
[18:50] <viruz> latest, today downloaded
[18:50] <viruz> i did updtes before i installed the driver
[18:50] <viruz> *updates
[18:52] <iconmefisto> viruz: ok, try renaming xorg.conf to something like xorg.conf.ati to disable it
[18:52] <viruz> i already have 20 backups, do u want 1?
[18:52] <iconmefisto> and remove xorg-driver-fglrx to remove the driver
[18:53] <viruz> http://pastebin.com/m4dc7d460
[18:53] <viruz> this is what  aticonfig produced
[18:54] <viruz> ok, im rebooting and removing the fglrx stuff
[18:54] <viruz> i guess ill be able to join irc using kubuntu
[18:56] <Daughain> Ok, tme for a movie and food. See ya later.
[18:57] <viruz> iconmefisto: back
[18:57] <iconmefisto> rebooted already?
[18:58] <viruz> im at kubuntu, did nothing up to now
[18:58] <viruz> will now do that stuff
[18:58] <iconmefisto> so it's working?
[18:58] <viruz> with vesa driver
[18:58] <iconmefisto> ok
[18:59] <viruz> and 800*600
[18:59] <viruz> not an awesome situation
[19:03] <viruz> oh
[19:03] <viruz> i have xorg-driver-fglrx and xorg-driver-fglrx-dev
[19:03] <viruz> should i delete both?
[19:04] <iconmefisto> sure
[19:04] <viruz> or anything with fglrx?
[19:05] <iconmefisto> if you remove the main one, you could then do sudo apt-get autoremove  to remove other packages that were automatically pulled in with it
[19:05] <viruz> ok
[19:05] <viruz> done
[19:07] <viruz> what now?
[19:07] <iconmefisto> so fglrx is removed. confirm that xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed (the open source ati driver)
[19:08] <viruz> latest version is installed
[19:08] <iconmefisto> and delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or rename it if you want to keep a copy)
[19:08] <viruz> it is
[19:08] <viruz> erm
[19:08] <viruz> its empty
[19:08] <iconmefisto> ok
[19:09] <iconmefisto> restart X server
[19:09] <viruz> i guess it will stop my irc client?
[19:09] <iconmefisto> yes
[19:09] <viruz> ok
[19:10] <viruz> is there a shorter way than reboot?
[19:10] <iconmefisto> log out, and from the login window there is a menu where you can restart X
[19:12] <viruz> ok
[19:12] <viruz> i have a high screenresolution again
[19:12] <iconmefisto> ok, and compositing?
[19:13] <viruz> sry, im a noob
[19:13] <viruz> whats that?
[19:13] <viruz> i have the comands compose and composite
[19:13] <iconmefisto> can you enable desktop effects? (right-click a titlebar and go to "configure desktop behaviour")
[19:14] <iconmefisto> *configure window behaviour
[19:14] <viruz> compositsystem is of
[19:14] <iconmefisto> does it let you turn it on?
[19:15] <viruz> how?
[19:16] <iconmefisto> tick the "enable desktop effects" box and click apply
[19:17] <viruz> Mit den gewählten Einstellung lassen sich die Arbeitsflächen-Effekte nicht aktivieren. Die vorherigen Einstellungen werden wiederhergestellt.
[19:17] <viruz> Bitte prüfen Sie Ihre X-Einrichtung. Möglicherweise müssen auch die erweiterten Einstellungen angepasst werden, insbesondere der Composit-Typ.
[19:17] <viruz> should i translate?
[19:17] <iconmefisto> mine looks like this in english: http://imagebin.ca/view/oOG7Zu.html
[19:18] <genii> viruz: "effekt nicht aktivieren" is prettey explanatory
[19:18] <viruz> The choosen settings cannot be activated. old settings will be restored. please check x-configuration. its possible that extended settings have to be fixed/changed, expecialy the composit type
[19:19] <iconmefisto> ok, it seems you video card needs the proprietary ati driver to enable compositing
[19:19] <iconmefisto> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[19:19] <iconmefisto> try to follow that guide closely
[19:20] <robas> good day to all. Im running Kubuntu 9.10 on Panasonic Toughbook CF 28 laptop. How to make icons in K menu a bit smaller? running on 800x600
[19:21] <iconmefisto> viruz: or if you don't want or need compositing, just keep using the open source ati driver
[19:22] <viruz> well, i need 3d acceleration
[19:24] <iconmefisto> robas: I don't know how, but you could right-click menu button and "switch to classic menu style"
[19:24] <iconmefisto> robas: or try changing resolution with krandrtray
[19:27] <robas> iconmefisto> thanks
[19:32] <ubuntu> im having problems installing kubuntu
[19:33] <ubuntu> this computer has a jacked up windows installl present,  the installer says that i don't have any partitions and it wont let me select "add"
[19:34] <iconmefisto> ubuntu: do you want to keep the windows partition?
[19:36] <viruz> ok i need the proprietary driver
[19:36] <viruz> the open source one makes 2 fps at the menu of a game -.-
[19:37] <ubuntu> iconmefisto, no way
[19:37] <viruz> erm iconmefisto
[19:37] <ubuntu> iconmefisto, never again
[19:38] <viruz> "Prerequisites For Installing the fglrx Driver from the Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Repositories"
[19:38] <viruz> i read al the steps and thats basicly what i did
[19:38] <viruz> well, this one "Installation of the fglrx Driver from the Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Repositories"
[19:39] <viruz> is there a chance that the second way works?
[19:40] <iconmefisto> viruz: it's worth trying I suppose. when you tried to install the driver downloaded from ati website, you still had the ubuntu fglrx installed, which won't work. but now you've removed fglrx
[19:41] <viruz> k
[19:42] <iconmefisto> viruz: you might want to google your video card + kubuntu karmic to see if you can find more info or help
[19:42] <viruz> ok
[19:42] <viruz> well with my x1950 i had problems on any distrubtion
[19:42] <iconmefisto> viruz: there might be something specific to your card that you could add to xorg.conf to make it work properly
[19:43] <viruz> ok
[19:43] <viruz> is it worth a try contaction the manufactorer?
[19:43] <viruz> XFX
[19:44] <iconmefisto> maybe, but they'll probably tell you to ask ati, or they'll just say they don't support linux
[19:44] <viruz> 4. Enable the "Source Code" repository from the Synaptic Package Manger.
[19:44] <viruz> i have kpackagemanager atm
[19:44] <viruz> *packagekit
[19:45] <iconmefisto> go to kpackagekit settings, edit software repositories
[19:45] <viruz> ok
[19:45] <viruz> so its not a problem?
[19:46] <iconmefisto> make sure "source code" box is ticked
[19:46] <viruz> just did it
[19:46] <viruz> i guess this will take some time :-/
[19:46] <viruz> ah, finished
[19:47] <Zhenya> guys, hi! I have realized that Okular cannot edit pdfs, is there a way to do this natively on the kubuntu install, if not what shoiuld i download?
[19:47] <eriklewis> anyone know about why an install might not show your partitions?
[19:49] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: you could try installing pdfedit
[19:49] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: HI! Thank you i will try that one!
[19:49] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: or select and copy the pdf contents, and paste into openoffice, edit, and save as a new pdf
[19:50] <ulysses__> Hello, I want to set up an e-mail alias in KMail, how can I do it?
[19:50] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: that works too :D i will do pdf edit cause i have to this once in a while, and this often
[19:51] <iconmefisto> Zhenya: it's not always easy to edit in pdfedit
[19:51] <iconmefisto> but give it a try
[19:51] <dfrey> Why does PHP insist on trying to install Apache every time a PHP update is released?
[19:54] <Zhenya> iconmefisto: okthanks:D i'll give it a try
[20:00] <eriklewis> Is there a KDE command to format my hard drive?
[20:00] <llutz> konsole (sudo mkfs ....)
[20:04] <iconmefisto> eriklewis: if you want to just delete partitions, you can use fdisk
[20:13] <viruz> ok, rebooting now :-/
[20:15] <viruz> ok, at least there is no crash of xorg
[20:16] <viruz> fuck
[20:16] <genii> !language
[20:16] <viruz> http://pastebin.com/ma63b27a
[20:23] <iconmefisto> viruz: that error was after reboot?
[20:23] <viruz> yes
[20:24] <viruz> ok, i red something
[20:25] <viruz> sounds like the 9.4 driver could work, atm im trying to install 9.12
[20:28] <jb0694> still trying to find out why i get really bad fps when i run glxgears... apparently i have gfx card drivers installed but i get like 30 fps when i run glxgears... any ideas... anybody?
[20:30] <viruz> what was the command to remove the driver?
[20:30] <viruz> ah, got it
[20:31] <iconmefisto> sudo apt-get remove --purge
[20:31] <iconmefisto> viruz: or if you didn't do purge, after removal do sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:34] <kaddi> !emulator
[20:34] <genii> !vm
[20:34] <kaddi> ah, thanks
[20:34] <genii> kaddi: np
[20:35] <iconmefisto> viruz: when you get a working driver, you might want to read this thread about tweaking your xorg.conf (but keep backups just in case) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=849422
[20:35] <viruz> first thing when i got this stuff running is making a twenty packups
[20:36] <viruz> uhm
[20:38] <iconmefisto> viruz: this might also help, but looks like the same as the ubuntu guide to me: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide
[20:40] <viruz> i generated debs for 9.04 now
[20:40] <viruz> *pray*
[20:40] <iconmefisto> viruz: is it a laptop?
[20:40] <viruz> desktop
[20:41] <iconmefisto> if you keep having trouble, maybe you could find a replacement card, nvidia or newer ati?
[20:42] <amigrave> under ubuntu gnome, when connecting using ssh to a host, the ssh gui agent is automatically opened for the involved key. How to get this automatic feature in kubuntu ?
[20:43] <gkffsck> Hey all, how do I install all the help documentation? Specifically the help documentation for KOrganize?
[20:46] <genii> gkffsck: kdepim-doc
[20:47] <viruz> i wont buy a new card...
[20:47] <erock> How do I erase my hard drive that has no label?  Any help would be much appreciated.
[21:05] <Oxymis> i have a dual monitor setup, and i want the taskbar to go across both screens. is this possible?
[21:11] <danny_> any help me
[21:11] <danny_> like enter spanish
[21:12] <kaddi> !es
[21:12] <kaddi> did xou mean that?
[21:14] <Oxymis> can the bottom bar in kde go across two monitors
[21:29] <alexandernst> Kate (the text editor) started opening only one instance. How can I make it act like before and open more than 1 window?
[21:38] <ig> hi guys
[21:38] <ig> running kubuntu 9.10
[21:38] <ig> but the latest FF is screwed up
[21:38] <user1_> any help me
[21:38] <ig> konqueror works ok
[21:38] <user1_> like spanish
[21:39] <ig> but FF keeps givin "connection reset"
[21:39] <ig> why??
[21:39] <ig> any ideas??
[21:39] <user1_> like entre spanish
[21:42] <genii> !es | user1_
[21:46] <Swinger> ola
[21:46] <werfact> olala
[21:47] <Swinger> synaptic package manager
[21:47] <Swinger> its just great
[21:47] <werfact> yeah, its alright
[21:48] <Swinger> i remember a time when i used to press clt+ctrl+backspace and xserver would restart it self
[21:48] <Swinger> now for some reason nothing happens :S
[21:49] <Swinger> alt+ctrl+backspace*
[21:49] <genii> !dontzap
[21:51] <Swinger> thanks!
[22:15] <sourcemaker_> kpackagekit does not notify about new updates... what's wrong?
[22:27] <SoS1> hello
[22:27] <SoS1> have a big problem
[22:28] <SoS1> i have 9.10 installed and it's now the second time, that my laptop freezes and capslock is flashing..
[22:38] <inclement> I asked earlier about having okular open pdfs embedded in dolphin (like konqueror can), but apparently this isn't possible. I just remembered, okular could also be embedded in opera, but unlike konqueror->dolphin opera hasn't changed. Can I embed okular in opera?
[22:39] <inclement> (It used to Just Work, and I can't find out how. The only obvious plugin is the adobe reader one, which is rubbish compared to okular)
[22:48] <SoS1> will we get a answere soon? :)
[22:54] <Guest20207> how to turn off the popups in kde4?
[23:00] <mauri> i need help......during compiling vlc i have :   libtool: link: unsupported hardcode properties
[23:01] <thelinuxexperime> can someone please direct me to where I would get advice on creating a deb package? thanks in advance!
[23:04] <ilovealcoa> how to turn off the pop-ups in the kde4 panel bar?
[23:05] <inclement> Right click, system tray settings, unselect 'show notifications'?
[23:07] <ilovealcoa> thanks, but where are the system tray settings?  i instead see "panel settings"
[23:09] <inclement> I get 'system tray settings' if I right click on the 'i' in a circle
[23:11] <ilovealcoa> ha!  great, thanks.  however, this didn't actually solve the problem, the popups that i'm referring to are the ones that appear when the mouse is moved over, say, a minimized application, or the kickoff application launcher
[23:26] <APERSON> ilovealcoa, right click on an empty area on you pane where your task manager is and uncheck 'show tooltips'
[23:27] <markus_> hy everybody
[23:27] <markus_> how can I remove the password when waking up?
[23:32] <mauri> how is possibile to generate a .deb package including the call to the dependances?
[23:37] <ilovealcoa> APERSON: thanks, that worked great.  but still the i get a pop-up when i hover over the application launcher?  i tried right-clicking on this and looked at "application launcher settings", but there did not appear to be anything useful.  is there a way around this?
[23:49] <adon> ;
[23:50] <adon> how do i get karmic koala to connect via dsl??
[23:57] <inclement> ilovealcoa: Oh, that. I have tried and failed before to find the answer myself! Sorry :(
[23:58] <APERSON> ilovealcoa, no idea
[23:59] <APERSON> how does one change the steps that the volume is incremented in?