[10:14] <NeoSaki> I hope he is
[10:14] <NeoSaki> >_>
[10:14] <Jucato> NeoSaki: that line is already in the sources.list
[10:15] <Jucato> it just needs to be enabled. not added...
[10:15] <NeoSaki> ight
[10:15] <NeoSaki> right click on it enable
[10:15] <NeoSaki> do the same for the rest of them that are not enabled
[10:16] <NeoSaki> i  thought you guys had said that he didn't have them
[10:16] <Jucato> I said not enabled.
[10:16] <jfdbmi> yes the deb http://archive.ubuntu,com/ubuntu is already in the list and it is enabled
[10:16] <NeoSaki> I miss read, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
[10:16] <intelikey> i think you are talking to a spook
[10:16] <Jucato> NeoSaki: lol no need to be sorry
[10:17] <Jucato> we all make mistakes. :)
[10:17] <Jucato> heck I didn't even see my typo until intelikey so kindly pointed it out :D
[10:17] <NeoSaki> jfdbmi, are all of them enabled?
[10:17] <jfdbmi> the main and restricted is enabled
[10:18] <intelikey> i only point out the ones that make me chuckel and the ones i can't figure out....
[10:18] <Jucato> intelikey: heh :)
[10:18] <NeoSaki> hrm
[10:18] <NeoSaki> when you find firefox
[10:18] <NeoSaki> which version are you installing
[10:19] <NeoSaki> mozilla-firefox or just firefox?
[10:19] <jfdbmi> I have http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is the URL correct?
[10:19] <Jucato> mozilla-firefox does not exist anymore in Dapper. it's just a dummy package (AFAIK)
[10:19] <Jucato> jfdbmi: yes
[10:19] <Jucato> for Indonesia (or is it India?)
[10:19] <intelikey> if the "in" server responds
[10:20] <jfdbmi> doesn't anyone know If I can just download a deb file instead of struggling with the adept
[10:20] <Jucato> jfdbmi: no. because if you do that, you'll be struggling with your whole computer instead of just Adept
[10:20] <jfdbmi> How am I to know whether it is India or Indonesia?
[10:20] <jfdbmi> I see
[10:20] <jfdbmi> that
[10:21] <Jucato> jfdbmi: err... nvm that (whether it's India or Indonesia)
[10:21] <chx> is it possible to define smaller desktops than the resolution of the screen ? I am eyeing the 30" Dell
[10:21] <jfdbmi> is a good advice then
[10:21] <intelikey> jfdbmi yes you can just dl the .deb  and then dl the next .deb that that one depended on.  and the next and the next and the next....   if you want to go that route.   but fixing your /etc/apt/souces.list  by hand would be easier.
[10:21] <Jucato> jfdbmi: anyway, all you need to do is to enable the proper repositories (actually, the ones that have "main restricted" would be enough), then click on Apply (at the bottom) then Fetch Updates
[10:22] <[niceday] > jfdbmi > i didn't get it. Did you make an apt-get install firefox ? and what did that return ?
[10:22] <jfdbmi> the headers are not downloading from the URL I have which is http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted
[10:22] <Jucato> jfdbmi: ok, then remove the "in."
[10:22] <NeoSaki> ^^
[10:22] <Jucato> NeoSaki: what happened, you went silent for a moment :)
[10:22] <intelikey> venella
[10:23] <NeoSaki> i'm compiling a few items to get my AiW working
[10:24] <Jucato> ah
[10:24] <NeoSaki> its being a real fun project >_>
[10:24] <Netcad> is there anything wrong with grub and reiserfs?
[10:24] <jfdbmi> I can't be here and there at the same time pl give me time to try out the instructions
[10:25] <intelikey> echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update
[10:25] <Jucato> jfdbmi: you can just scroll up for the instructions you missed
[10:25] <NeoSaki> ? So lost
[10:25] <intelikey> there's a one liner that will fix it....
[10:25] <jfdbmi> I removed the 'in' now I have http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[10:25] <Jucato> jfdbmi: try to Fetch Updates again
[10:26] <jfdbmi> and I clicked apply and then I clicked FU
[10:26] <Jucato> intelikey: I presume you are going to explain each of those commands, which would only add another level of complexity and confusion to an already confused jfdbmi...
[10:26] <jfdbmi> It was fetching headers
[10:27] <jfdbmi> should I do a search firefox
[10:27] <Jucato> jfdbmi: yes
[10:27] <jfdbmi> what there still isn't any firefox for me to install :(
[10:28] <jfdbmi> the headers are not downloading for some reason
[10:28] <Netcad> VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) <--- what could cause this?
[10:28] <Jucato> probably a proxy problem (more than I could handle, I'm afraid...)
[10:28] <intelikey> Jucato no i wasn't going to explain anything.   that was a one line shell command string.   if copied and pasted into a terminal  it should fix apt (repos)   but it would make a one line sources.list   rather than appending.      a guy that wants an 'easy way out'  gets an easy way out...
[10:29] <jfdbmi> thanks for all the effort
[10:29] <jfdbmi> I am leaving now, see ya later
[10:29] <Jucato> intelikey: I guess that depends on what an "easy way out" is for the one asking
[10:30] <intelikey> Jucato also notice i wasn't prepending his nick,  didn't want him be confused...
[10:30] <Jucato> intelikey: yep :)
[10:32] <NeoSaki> well avview works
[10:32] <NeoSaki> now if I could figure out why my AiW won't install properly >_>
[10:32] <intelikey> but honestly,  i'm not sure it's not his network.   i couldn't ping him while he was here.  generally a network that tight can interfear with things.  possably upstreem firewalled
[10:33] <NeoSaki> true, probably had an off the shelf router without setting it up
[10:33] <NeoSaki> or was on a shared connection with a paranoid freak of nature
[10:33] <NeoSaki> >_>
[10:33] <intelikey> or iron curton net
[10:34] <NeoSaki> how hard is it to update x.org?
[10:35] <intelikey> apt-get update
[10:35] <intelikey> apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:35] <intelikey> that hard ^
[10:35] <NeoSaki> ooo
[10:35] <NeoSaki> ight
[10:36] <NeoSaki> think they have xorg7.1?
[10:36] <intelikey> not in the repos
[10:36] <intelikey> you'd have to roll your own
[10:36] <NeoSaki> meh
[10:36] <Jucato> NeoSaki: Dapper uses only 7.0
[10:36] <Jucato> Edgy has 7.1
[10:37] <NeoSaki> >_>
[10:37] <NeoSaki> mine says it has 6.8?
[10:37] <Jucato> er?
[10:37] <NeoSaki> i dunno
[10:37] <intelikey> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[10:37] <intelikey> mine
[10:38] <NeoSaki> erm
[10:38] <NeoSaki> maybe it is 7?
[10:38] <NeoSaki> then why isn't my tv capture working?
[10:38] <intelikey> you did    Xorg -version
[10:38] <intelikey> ?
[10:38] <aseigo> jono: ping
[10:38] <Jucato> oooh aseigo :)
[10:39] <Jucato> all hail aseigo!!
[10:39] <aseigo> hey =) how you are doing?
[10:40] <Jucato> hehe doing fine. missed your wednesday Plasma blog. ehehe :)
[10:40] <intelikey> and it peves me off that they dropped one dash.   --version has always been *nix standard  but xorg requires one dash  not zero and not two, exactly one.   dumb jackasses.
[10:40] <jono> aseigo, pong!
[10:40] <aseigo> johey: hey dude =)
[10:40] <aseigo> er, jono ^
[10:40] <MDCore> hey all... I switched back to my kubuntu dual boot after a couple of weeks of windows use. Kopete won't login to MSN... is there a problem that I should know of ?
[10:41] <aseigo> jono: you're alive and i'm alive ... at the same time.. ;)
[10:41] <jono> aseigo, not too bad, given the circumstances
[10:41] <Jucato> heh :)
[10:41] <aseigo> jono: indeed. pondering if you know what your sched looks like this week?
[10:41] <jono> aseigo, can we talk tomorrow, I have to cremate our puppy today :(
[10:42] <Jucato> oh... Banger...
[10:42] <Jucato> :(
[10:42] <intelikey> roast dog ?
[10:43] <Jucato> tsk tsk...
[10:43] <aseigo> jono: oh, shitty. dog, that is, not waiting until tomorrow
[10:43] <NeoSaki> intelikey: yeah, I did that
[10:43] <aseigo> johey: yeah, certainly.. ping me, or i'll ping you.. or whatever.. condolences on the pet
[10:43] <jono> intelikey, piss off
[10:44] <Jucato> jono: condolences from me, too. just read it in your blog
[10:44] <intelikey> jono did you just sware at me ?
[10:44] <jono> thanks Jucato
[10:44] <jono> intelikey, yes
[10:44] <intelikey> oh,  ok
[10:44] <Jucato> O_O
[10:44] <jono> intelikey, I think cheap jokes right not isnt particularly nice
[10:45] <jono> intelikey, particularly given what my family is going through
[10:46] <Jucato> intelikey: drop by Planet Ubuntu and check it out if you want
[10:47] <intelikey> yeah.  i think people that place more value on animal live than they do on human life are pond scum....  so maybe we're even jono...  idk     (and no i'm not trying to be nice, grow up a little bit chump)
[10:48] <halfbloodprince> i have a favour to ask.. can anyone send me a screenshot of the network settings dialog box? (kmenu -> system settings -> network settings)
[10:48] <Jucato> intelikey: don't generalize too much
[10:48] <jono> intelikey, do you have *any* compassion?
[10:48] <Jucato> intelikey: and it's on a case to case basis.
[10:48] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince hold up
[10:49] <DeadS0ul> any of you able to get on msn atm?
[10:49] <Jucato> NeoSaki: heh, "hold up" in our country is synonymous to a "stick up"/mugging :D
[10:49] <NeoSaki> where you at, Jucato?
[10:49] <intelikey> sure jono.   but a dog dying doesn't rate any.  human tragity is altogather different.
[10:49] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: seems to be no problem here
[10:49] <Jucato> NeoSaki: philippines
[10:50] <NeoSaki> ahh
[10:50] <Jucato> intelikey: some people consider their pets to be part of the family and have emotional attachments to them
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> what're you using?
[10:50] <Jucato> intelikey: just because you don't feel that way doesn't mean that other people should feel the same way as you do
[10:50] <Jucato> DeadS0ul: Kopete
[10:50] <DeadS0ul> =\
[10:50] <aseigo> intelikey: dude, i don't think anyone said anything about human life vs animal life
[10:51] <DeadS0ul> wonder why kmess and koepte aren't letting me on =(
[10:51] <halfbloodprince> yo Jucato, what's up? :)
[10:51] <Jucato> hi halfbloodprince! :)
[10:51] <aseigo> intelikey: some people do, however, have a level of compassion that allows them to care about their animal partners
[10:52] <aseigo> intelikey: that's a good thing from a mental health perspective, actually
[10:52] <Jucato> intelikey: and some people should have a level of tact when dealing with other people's preferences, specially when it's pretty emotional
[10:52] <aseigo> intelikey: whilst poking sticks at someone who's lost a good friend isn't
[10:52] <Jucato> NeoSaki: I don't know how much longer halfbloodprince can keep holding up :)
[10:53] <Jucato> it's pretty strenuous :)
[10:53] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince: http://www.gops-clan.com/snapshot.png
[10:53] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: you still need that screenshot?
[10:53] <lupine_85> in admin mode or normal?
[10:53] <NeoSaki> er..
[10:53] <NeoSaki> snapshot1.png
[10:53] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince: http://www.gops-clan.com/snapshot1.png
[10:54] <halfbloodprince> thanks man
[10:54] <NeoSaki> np
[10:54] <NeoSaki> tell me if you need more, sorry it took so long, realized i didn't have kftpgrabber installed >_>
[10:54] <intelikey> aseigo you finished ?
[10:55] <aseigo> intelikey: as a matter of fact, yes. =)
[10:55] <jono> aseigo, don't waste your breath
[10:55] <Jucato> wb jono
[10:55] <jono> hey Jucato
[10:55] <halfbloodprince> where do i set my default gateway? under 'routes'?
[10:55] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: yes
[10:56] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: thanks
[10:56] <grothesk> Which plugin do I need for sending pictures from gwenview by email?
[10:56] <halfbloodprince> man, i've downloaded like 600mb+ and bitcomet still says 62%
[10:56] <halfbloodprince> i think it's redownloading stuff
[10:56] <lupine_85> bittorrent is a pain like that
[10:57] <aseigo> grothesk: it's not under Plugins -> Images for you?
[10:57] <grothesk> aseigo: No. It's missing.
[10:57] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: could it be that you've downloaded lots of partial chunks?
[10:57] <Jucato> aseigo: for some odd reason, Kubuntu doesn't include the gwenview plugins by default...
[10:57] <halfbloodprince> aseigo: i guess it must be that
[10:58] <aseigo> halfbloodprince: if you were running ktorrent you could see quite easily ;)
[10:58] <halfbloodprince> it's going to be another day till i download the whole thing
[10:58] <Jucato> er... let me correct that. Kubuntu doesn't install it by default...
[10:59] <lupine_85> might have been faster to flutter your eyelashes at some other Ubuntuer in your country and got them to send you a CD :(
[10:59] <grothesk> Oh. Excuse me. I can send local pictures. I was just trying to send a remote picture. ;-)
[10:59] <NeoSaki> nice to see ATI is officially supporting x86_64 linux
[11:00] <aseigo> Jucato: perhaps it's kipi
[11:00] <halfbloodprince> lupine: i don't know anyone else in my country who uses ubuntu
[11:00] <lupine_85> India?
[11:00] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[11:01] <Jucato> aseigo: yeah I think so too
[11:01] <lupine_85> a bit difficult, I guess :(
[11:01] <lupine_85> (I'm in the UK)
[11:01] <aseigo> grothesk: try apt-get install'ing kipi-plugins
[11:01] <halfbloodprince> well, it's just going to be another day.. by the time I wake up tomorrow, it should all be done :D
[11:01] <grothesk> aseigo: Sorry, I figured it out already.
[11:01] <aseigo> ha!
[11:02] <grothesk>  <grothesk> Oh. Excuse me. I can send local pictures. I was just trying to send a remote picture. ;-)
[11:02] <halfbloodprince> i'm so bored of this windows crap.. all the WGA and SP2 crap.. it's like aaaarrgghh
[11:03] <halfbloodprince> i really think more manufacturers should have PCs pre-installed with Linux.. linux comes with so much stuff..
[11:03] <NeoSaki> halfbloodprince you can get pcs with linux on them
[11:03] <lupine_85> Microsoft gives huge OEM discounts to PC manufacturers who use Windows :(
[11:04] <halfbloodprince> :(
[11:04] <NeoSaki> ^-^ But self installing it makes it so much more entertaining
[11:04] <grizzly> is there a way to hibernate without needing the password?
[11:04] <NeoSaki> lupine_85 so? linux is FREE
[11:04] <Jucato> not to mention more educational
[11:04] <NeoSaki> whats better than FREE?
[11:04] <NeoSaki> lol
[11:04] <NeoSaki> I wish Adobe would start supporting linux
[11:04] <Jucato> hm.. free AND easy :)
[11:04] <Jucato> j/k
[11:04] <lupine_85> NeoSaki: if you ship even some PCs with linux, you lose those discounts... for all your other PCs
[11:05] <halfbloodprince> adobe apps are the only reason i'm dual booting
[11:05] <NeoSaki> same here
[11:05] <NeoSaki> oh, and games
[11:05] <lupine_85> so if you sell a fair number of Windows PCs as well, you could end up losing plenty of money
[11:05] <halfbloodprince> i dont play many games
[11:05] <NeoSaki> cuz only 4-5 of my games play on linux
[11:05] <NeoSaki> WoW doesn't :(
[11:05] <NeoSaki> WoW is my kryptonite
[11:05] <Jucato> NeoSaki: some people have been able to play WoW...
[11:05] <DeadS0ul1`> same here =(
[11:05] <Jucato> but I guess using Cedega?
[11:06] <grothesk> Huh? WoW ist said to run fine under wine.
[11:06] <DeadS0ul1`> i play WoW too much
[11:06] <NeoSaki> Jucato: meh, I wouldn't wanna chance it >_>
[11:06] <Jucato> none of the games I play run in Linux. lol
[11:06] <feet> umm, how can i fix this: The KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation!?
[11:06] <Jucato> i mean the MMORPG ones...
[11:06] <NeoSaki> I have to either download a special installer or tweak with it abit
[11:06] <lupine_85> Ultima runs :)
[11:06] <Jucato> feet: it says that everytime you try to login?
[11:06] <lupine_85> what else do you need, MMORPG-wise?!
[11:07] <feet> and every time i run kicker manually
[11:07] <Jucato> lupine_85: heh, I play the Asian ones... :P
[11:07] <NeoSaki> Maple Story?
[11:07] <NeoSaki> Ragnarok?
[11:07] <Jucato> feet: but otherwise kicker runs without problems?
[11:07] <halfbloodprince> Ragnarok is huge over here
[11:07] <feet> i dont know
[11:07] <feet> its not there!!
[11:07] <Jucato> yeah Ragnarok Online
[11:07] <DeadS0ul1`> rangarok is for girls
[11:07] <Jucato> DeadS0ul1`: hmph
[11:07] <Jucato> :)
[11:08] <voicu> #romania
[11:08] <voicu> oups
[11:08] <NeoSaki> I got bored with RO
[11:08] <DeadS0ul1`> i hope wow releases previews for hunters soon
[11:09] <Jucato> aseigo: yep. kipi-plugins... not installed by default :)
[11:09] <lupine_85> New warhammer online MMORPG up soon, apparently
[11:09] <NeoSaki> Same with CoH, CoV, EvE, SL, MS, and that future one from Codemasters
[11:09] <Jucato> er.. anyone who can help feet?
[11:09] <DeadS0ul1`> you think warhammer will be better than WoW?
[11:09] <NeoSaki> I suggest reinstall
[11:09] <Jucato> (ouch...)
[11:09] <NeoSaki> or possibly uninstall the kicker and reinstall it >_>
[11:10] <Jucato> feet: is this a new installation of Kubuntu? did you encounter any problems when you installed?
[11:10] <NeoSaki> I don't know if kicker is seperate from kde or not though
[11:10] <feet> its part of kdebase
[11:10] <feet> i dont really want to get rid of that and install it again
[11:10] <Jucato> NeoSaki: it's a separate program but part of kdebase like feet said
[11:10] <halfbloodprince> what about Spore
[11:11] <NeoSaki> I'm so getting Spore
[11:11] <NeoSaki> for my DS PC and X360
[11:11] <NeoSaki> its like Joygasmic Fun
[11:11] <halfbloodprince> heh
[11:11] <NeoSaki> I hope they get the Live enabled on it
[11:11] <NeoSaki> so that your save games will transfer when you connect to the net
[11:11] <feet> Jucato: it isnt new. i just happened to restart X and then when i logged back in, WHAM, it wouldnt work
[11:11] <chx> I read http://www.alwins-world.de/programs/kdesvn/kdesvn_dok/kdesvn-kio.html but it's not clear -- is there a ksvn kio slave which lets me _write_ to the repository?
[11:12] <cox377> whats the difference between unix and linux?
[11:12] <lupine_85> cox377: unix is expensive :)
[11:12] <feet> lol
[11:12] <NeoSaki> unix is geared more towards corp and linux is a more of a home version
[11:12] <NeoSaki> plus linux is free
[11:12] <chx> cox377: what's the difference between a lamer and a user who searches?
[11:12] <lupine_85> Our Uni has SunOS 5.? and it costs them a small fortune
[11:12] <chx> (sorry)
[11:12] <NeoSaki> ooo harsh
[11:13] <lupine_85> Once you're on the CLI, you simply can't tell the difference though
[11:13] <Jucato> feet: what happened before you restarted X? did you install something or modify something?
[11:14] <feet> not so far as i am aware. tho i did notice the applets inserter was empty
[11:15] <feet> the folks in #kde recommended reinstalling the kicker package. but i dont think that will do much
[11:16] <Jucato> feet: have you tried it?
[11:16] <feet> am going to
[11:16] <feet> looking for the package on da site
[11:16] <Jucato> feet: it's "kicker"
[11:16] <feet> i know
[11:16] <feet> but my connection isnt the fastest
[11:16] <cox377> chx ; )
[11:16] <Jucato> feet: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kicker
[11:17] <DeadS0ul1`> crap i dunno what I did to my mixer settings, I don' thave any sound atm
[11:17] <NeoSaki> :|
[11:17] <feet> ok
[11:17] <NeoSaki> My arsehole gene was kicking in
[11:17] <cox377> neosaki: is the platform similar though?
[11:17] <NeoSaki> must...resist...
[11:18] <MetaMorfoziS> jreggelt mindenkinek
[11:18] <Jucato> heh...
[11:18] <Jucato> we all must resist...
[11:18] <NeoSaki> cox377 whatchu mean?
[11:19] <lupine_85> linux is a unix feel-a-like, in that they're both POSIX-compliant
[11:19] <lupine_85> beyond that, it depends on what version of linux you're comparing against what version of unix
[11:19] <lupine_85> google has many comparative essays :)
[11:20] <NeoSaki> what NTSC standard is america using?
[11:20] <intelikey> Jucato ttfn
[11:20] <feet> jucato: it worked, but my applets inserter is still empty
[11:21] <feet> lol
[11:21] <Jucato> guess he left too...
[11:21] <voicu> How can I stop KDE from adding other window managers' programs in its menu?
[11:22] <voicu> and vice versa...
[11:22] <tk> NeoSaki: NTSC-M which barely any different than NTSC-J
[11:23] <intelikey> voicu /etc/menu*  might have answers on that, but why do you want to restrict the use of an app to only wm ?
[11:24] <dsas> could anyone tell me what package kinfocenter belongs to?
[11:24] <voicu> Because I want to use KDE, Gnome and XFCE at the same time and the menus would become really crowded with programs that do the same thing.
[11:25] <NeoSaki> tk, Thanks
[11:26] <aseigo> dsas: kcontrol
[11:26] <dsas> aseigo: Cool, thanks.
[11:26] <aseigo> voicu: that's a per-.desktop file thing
[11:26] <cox377> neosaki: lol... i'm currently looking for employment, and when it requires unix experience i'm wondering how much my small experience with linux could count towards thats
[11:26] <aseigo> voicu: they need to have either OnlyShowIn= or NotShowIn= entries
[11:27] <aseigo> voicu: those restrict where they are shown... alternatively in your .menu files you can specify that the Catgories= must contain KDE or GNOME or whatever
[11:27] <NeoSaki> cox377: hrm...a little bit, if you're familiar with the terminal commands
[11:28] <voicu> ok, thanks aseigo
[11:28] <intelikey> dsas dpkg -S /path/filename   will answer those questions for you in the future
[11:28] <dsas> intelikey: I don't have kde installed, just doing some bug triaging.
[11:28] <dsas> intelikey: Thanks for the tip though :)
[11:29] <intelikey> np
[11:29] <cox377> neosaki: getting there, i think it's a non starter now, if I ever got into the interview it maybe become very interesting when asking me questions about it
[11:29] <NeoSaki>  cox377 would be interesting
[11:29] <NeoSaki> brb
[11:29] <NeoSaki> gotta reboot xorg
[11:30] <tk> cox377: working in a terminal is the best way to learn it, if you know how to do things that way, and know some server admin type stuff from terminal, that would useually cover "unix exp" I would think...
[11:30] <intelikey> i thought you only boot an os...
[11:30] <Healot> hehe
[11:30] <Healot> restart the X server i guess
[11:30] <intelikey> yeah i guess
[11:30] <quique> hi
[11:30] <Healot> Illl reboot my car :)
[11:31] <intelikey> lol
[11:31] <intelikey> sentiments
[11:31] <tk> If it wasnt for the hardware damage it might cause I'd "re-boot" windows all day for being such a buggy POS. (I still love my laptop though)
[11:32] <cox377> tk: cheers for that, i think a year down the line i may reach that point, but i;ve only been on it for a few months.  Emo!
[11:41] <NeoSaki> :O
[11:41] <Healot> don't get emo
[11:41] <Healot> get penguined instead
[11:41] <intelikey> yeah
[11:42] <lupine_85> emo penguin?
[11:42] <Healot> yeah
[11:42] <NeoSaki> hey intelikey, which source do i need to recompile the kernel on here?
[11:42] <lupine_85> !linux-source-2.6.25
[11:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-source-2.6.25 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:42] <lupine_85> !linux-source-2.6.15
[11:42] <intelikey> linux-source
[11:42] <ubotu> linux-source-2.6.15: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.15 with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.15-26.46 (dapper), package size 43476 kB, installed size 43612 kB
[11:42] <NeoSaki> yeah just figured that out xD
[11:43] <CVirus> Healot: how much do you pay for this GPRS service ... is it per KB ?
[11:43] <NeoSaki> i was scrolling through the list on Synaptic, and it had like four or five wierd ones, then moved the page down right after asking xD
[11:43] <intelikey> linux-source  is a meta package that should get you the latest
[11:43] <Healot> CVirus: unlimited access
[11:43] <CVirus> Healot: WTF :-S
[11:44] <CVirus> Healot: its per KB in here
[11:44] <intelikey> err latest *buntu kernel for dapper that is
[11:44] <Healot> pro-rated at RM 99 ~= USD 25
[11:44] <NeoSaki> tis cool tis cool
[11:44] <NeoSaki> just gotta compile it to include a couple updated drivers that kubuntu doesn't seem to like >_>
[11:44] <tk> CVirus: you can often get unlimited packages if you pay the price for em... I don't believ ethey are very cheap in the US yet though
[11:44] <Healot> i guess telco wars make customers happy
[11:45] <intelikey> NeoSaki you could use kernel-source  if you wanted a 2.4 kernel   :)
[11:45] <lupine_85> no point though, as I don't have a laptop
[11:45] <NeoSaki> intelikey: meh, I'm good, I like the updated USB
[11:45] <CVirus> Healot: we dont have telco wars here ... there is a committee that controls the prices .. and companies arent allowed to drop below certain prices
[11:45] <lupine_85> (at least, not one worth bothering about!)
[11:45] <Healot> it literally a cold war here
[11:46] <intelikey> don't you just hate it when a war gets cold....
[11:46] <NeoSaki> now where did it install/download those sources to >_>
[11:46] <Healot> but mobile phones are cheap here I guess, customers are growing...
[11:46] <CVirus> NeoSaki: /usr/src/
[11:46] <NeoSaki> nope
[11:47] <NeoSaki> not there
[11:47] <lupine_85>  /usr/src/(some-tarball)
[11:47] <lupine_85> it just dumps the compressed file down
[11:47] <intelikey> NeoSaki should be a tar archive in /usr/src
[11:47] <lupine_85> dpkg -L linux-source-2.6.15 if it's not there
[11:47] <NeoSaki> got it
[11:48] <NeoSaki> i guess it didn't download it the first time ?
[11:48] <NeoSaki> oh well
[11:49] <voicu> maybe it has to copy some headers or something
[11:50] <voicu> anyway it's just an abstraction in case anyone would need someday to set up a source tarball :P
[11:50] <intelikey> dpkg -L linux-source
[11:50] <intelikey> lol   ok.
[11:50] <voicu> yep, look, there's the copyright file
[11:51] <NeoSaki> is there anyway to gain root in the gui?
[11:51] <CVirus> NeoSaki: what GUI ?
[11:51] <intelikey> kdesu app
[11:51] <CVirus> ah right
[11:51] <intelikey> kdesu konqueror
[11:52] <NeoSaki> thx intelikey
[11:52] <intelikey> kdesu klipper    ???   that should be interesting...
[11:56] <hussam> on Edgy, how often does the adept thingy in the systray automatically check for updates?
[11:56] <intelikey> isn't that configurable ?   or do you mean the default setting ?
[11:57] <hussam> intelikey, default
[11:57] <intelikey> default is daily  iirc
[11:57] <danimarquez> hi, anyone can help me on how to configure an AverTv on Ubuntu?
[11:57] <hussam> intelikey, how do I configure it?
[11:58] <jprenaud> hi all
[11:58] <intelikey> hussam idk.   right click on the updater icon maybe ?
[11:59] <hussam> intelikey, it just says 'about adept..' and 'close' , it's ok
[12:00] <kuzmaster> hey all
[12:00] <hussam> another small annoyance. the power manager icon the systray has a blank tooltip when I hover the mouse over it.
[12:00] <intelikey> hussam with in adept check there,   i'v only been there one time.  i don't recall how.
[12:00] <intelikey> within
[12:01] <intelikey> leaving.
[12:07] <danimarquez> anyone knows about AverMedia on a Ubuntu?
[12:09] <Healot> not me, what's an Avermedia?
[12:09] <danimarquez> i have a tv-tunner, called AverTv USB 2.0
[12:09] <danimarquez> and no way to make it work with Ubuntu...
[12:09] <danimarquez> u know anything about tv-tunners?
[12:09] <Healot> hum.
[12:10] <Healot> i saw the TV tuner compat list but i didn't see any about AverTV
[12:10] <danimarquez> ah... there are some that are not compatible?
[12:12] <Healot> since many TV tuner are proprietary, only a few have good GNU/linux support
[12:12] <hussam> the most supported tv cards are ones that use saa7134 chips
[12:13] <danimarquez> ah... and how can i know if my card uses this chips?
[12:13] <Healot> lspci -v
[12:13] <danimarquez> but when i put something like gmesg o something like this, i see my tuner there
[12:13] <Healot> see if it says so from the output
[12:14] <danimarquez> ok, 1 sec
[12:14] <hussam> if it is video4linux compatible and the correct driver is loaded, it will work under tvtime
[12:14] <Healot> !wifi
[12:14] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:15] <danimarquez> ouff. how can i read all what comes after lspci -v?
[12:15] <danimarquez> some important point to make attention not to read all?
[12:15] <Healot> wikis are damn hard to search around
[12:15] <Healot> too geeky to search
[12:16] <aes52> erm can anyone advise me on howto install kubuntu with lvm ?
[12:18] <danimarquez> maalesh
[12:18] <danimarquez> !avertv
[12:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about avertv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <danimarquez> !tv
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <NeoSaki> damn, compiling the kernel didnt do a whole lot, though i did manage to clear about 40 unused drivers out
[12:19] <danimarquez> !nothing at all
[12:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nothing at all - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:19] <NeoSaki> well I was going to help him
[12:23] <drpepper> hey
[12:23] <NeoSaki> hoy
[12:23] <drpepper> i have a problem if anyone feels like helping
[12:23] <drpepper> :p
[12:24] <NeoSaki> whats your problem and we'll see if we can help :P
[12:24] <drpepper> i installed kubuntu
[12:24] <NeoSaki> :O
[12:24] <NeoSaki> Omg
[12:24] <drpepper> and want some nice themes
[12:24] <NeoSaki> you screwed up!
[12:24] <drpepper> etc
[12:24] <drpepper> nah it works
[12:24] <NeoSaki> just kidding
[12:24] <drpepper> :p
[12:24] <NeoSaki> kde-look.org
[12:24] <drpepper> yeah
[12:24] <drpepper> so im tryign to install a theme manager
[12:24] <drpepper> and i get this error
[12:24] <drpepper> doing a ./configure
[12:25] <NeoSaki> you have to install the dev kit
[12:25] <NeoSaki> kde-develop
[12:25] <NeoSaki> :D
[12:25] <drpepper> but i havent given u the error
[12:25] <NeoSaki> using apt-get, adept, synaptic or what not
[12:25] <drpepper> lets see if your blind brilliance pays off
[12:25] <NeoSaki> do you have the kde-develop installed?
[12:25] <drpepper> apt-get says it cant find kde-develop
[12:26] <NeoSaki> meh
[12:26] <NeoSaki> use adept
[12:26] <NeoSaki> the gui makes it so much nicer
[12:27] <NeoSaki> plus you picking the packages is easier with it
[12:28] <drpepper> cant find it there either
[12:28] <NeoSaki> ?
[12:28] <NeoSaki> did you fetch updates
[12:29] <NeoSaki> oh its kde-devel
[12:29] <NeoSaki> meh
[12:30] <drpepper> ok gonna give that a go
[12:31] <drpepper> ah bolox
[12:31] <NeoSaki> bolox?
[12:31] <drpepper> adept didnt close properly
[12:31] <drpepper> now the directory is locked
[12:31] <NeoSaki> >_>
[12:31] <drpepper> got a handy way to kill it?
[12:32] <drpepper> kill adept didnt work
[12:32] <NeoSaki> erm...? right click -> close
[12:32] <NeoSaki> or is the proggy locked?
[12:32] <drpepper> it closed
[12:32] <drpepper> it wasnt updating
[12:32] <drpepper> when i tried fetch
[12:33] <drpepper> because im behind a proxy
[12:33] <NeoSaki> damn proxies
[12:33] <NeoSaki> how can anyone live with them?!
[12:33] <drpepper> its work
[12:34] <drpepper> and i get a 100Mbit line by going through it
[12:34] <drpepper> :)
[12:34] <NeoSaki> so?
[12:34] <NeoSaki> you still have bottlenecks
[12:34] <drpepper> true that
[12:34] <NeoSaki> and your home comp is still stuck at whatever its normal net speed it
[12:34] <NeoSaki> is*
[12:34] <drpepper> but i can get stuff from my bsd box in holland at 10MB/s
[12:34] <drpepper> and then put it on an external
[12:35] <drpepper> :p
[12:35] <NeoSaki> anywho
[12:35] <drpepper> ah well lets not bickert
[12:35] <drpepper> gdman
[12:35] <NeoSaki> gdman?
[12:35] <drpepper> good man
[12:35] <NeoSaki> oh
[12:35] <NeoSaki> ight
[12:35] <drpepper> root@bebop:~# apt-get install kde-devel
[12:35] <drpepper> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:35] <drpepper> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:35] <NeoSaki> adept would be
[12:35] <drpepper> thats why i dont think adept closed
[12:36] <NeoSaki> I suggest reboot ^^
[12:36] <NeoSaki> then use adept
[12:36] <drpepper> :(
[12:36] <tk> drpepper: sudo killall -9 apt-get and sudo killall -9 dpkg
[12:37] <NeoSaki> damn you tk! I was trying to get him back for the proxy
[12:37] <NeoSaki> -.-
[12:37] <tk> proxy? (i just got back :P)
[12:37] <NeoSaki> he was arguing with me about him using a proxy
[12:38] <lupine_85> rm  /var/lib/dpkg/lock would work if adept died
[12:38] <lupine_85> no need to reboot unless the kernel dies - this is linux! :)
[12:38] <tk> drpepper: and you may wanna try sudo killall -9 adept (if adept is stuck in an open state despite the GUI being gone)
[12:38] <tk> or that works I suppose too :P
[12:38] <drpepper> root@bebop:~# apt-get install kde-devel
[12:38] <drpepper> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:38] <drpepper> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:39] <drpepper> ok
[12:39] <drpepper> thanks
[12:39] <drpepper> thats a shit load of stuff
[12:39] <drpepper> gonna take some time
[12:39] <_JuDgEn_> go open rules, i wish we had that kind of programms in sweden
[12:39] <drpepper> thnx
[12:41] <NeoSaki> whats you talking about Jedgen_?
[12:41] <NeoSaki> anyone know a good alternative to the normal kicker
[12:41] <_JuDgEn_> NeoSaki: the south african tv-show
[12:41] <_JuDgEn_> about open source
[12:41] <NeoSaki> oh
[12:41] <NeoSaki> ^^
[12:42] <matus_> hallo
[12:42] <matus_> i've got a prob with mic settings in kubuntu. the recordings are *very* silent
[12:42] <matus_> any ideas?
[12:43] <drpepper> did you plug in the mic?
[12:43] <_JuDgEn_> does anyone have a working kdetv?
[12:43] <Ash-Fox> I'm suprised that Kerry doesn't come with kubuntu by default
[12:43] <matus_> drpepper: tes :)
[12:43] <bele> Is it really stable - Kerry I mean?
[12:43] <matus_> yes
[12:44] <Ash-Fox> bele, yes. It's in the repositories etc. But it just isn't installed by default
[12:45] <NeoSaki> matus have you checked your mic volumes?
[12:45] <beregos> all i get is a black screen in kdetv.....
[12:45] <Ash-Fox> Theres also a neat kioslave, that adds beagle: to konqueror etc
[12:45] <bele> matus_: did you try to adjust mic input level with kmix...?
[12:46] <beregos> bleeding annoying
[12:46] <NeoSaki> and are you sure its plugged into mic socket of your sound card
[12:46] <drpepper> NeoSaki: i tried that one alreadyt
[12:46] <drpepper> :p
[12:46] <NeoSaki> beregos: what tuner card you using
[12:46] <NeoSaki> what you talking about drpepper?
[12:46] <drpepper> the idea that he had not plugged it in
[12:47] <beregos> NeoSaki: BT878
[12:47] <NeoSaki> no i was asking if he had it in the right port
[12:47] <beregos> NeoSaki: works flawlessly in kopete
[12:47] <NeoSaki> beregos: so its a usb?
[12:47] <hussam> I want to report a bug in launchpad but I can't seem to figure out the package name. It's the power manager in the systray
[12:47] <hussam> on edgy
[12:47] <hussam> anyone knows what package contains that?
[12:47] <beregos> NeoSaki: no its a standard pci hauppage BT878
[12:47] <NeoSaki> drpepper: did the develop kit work for you?
[12:47] <abattoir> hussam: what's the bug?
[12:47] <abattoir> hussam: and are you running up-to-date edgy?
[12:48] <abattoir> hussam: btw, #ubuntu+1 is actually the right place for it....
[12:48] <abattoir> hussam: anyways, what's the bug?
[12:48] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, all is 100%
[12:48] <hussam> abattoir, yes, just did a dist-upgrade. that bug is that when I hover over it, I get a blank white tooltip
[12:48] <abattoir> hussam: are you on a desktop?
[12:49] <hussam> abattoir, yes
[12:49] <NeoSaki> beregos: just checking so dont get angry, but is your vid card the one selected by kdetv?
[12:49] <drpepper> NeoSaki: It did indeed
[12:49] <NeoSaki> matus_: So it's recording but sounds bad?
[12:49] <NeoSaki> drpepper: :P told ya
[12:49] <abattoir> hussam: ok, from what i understand, it is intended for only laptops, and will soon be ensured that it is only *installed* in laptops...
[12:50] <abattoir> hussam: so expect it to be removed soon
[12:50] <NeoSaki> hey abattoir
[12:50] <abattoir> hi NeoSaki... but i dont remember who you are :P
[12:50] <abattoir> NeoSaki: used a different nick before?
[12:50] <hussam> abattoir, when it's removed, I can still hibernate from logout menu, correct?
[12:50] <drpepper> NeoSaki: thnx
[12:51] <NeoSaki> abattoir: yeah Sakirious
[12:51] <abattoir> hussam: i think so yes...
[12:51] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, it's silent
[12:51] <beregos> NeoSaki: this is my first time using kdetv, what file should i edit? also /dev/video and /dev/video0 isnt connected according to bash.
[12:51] <abattoir> NeoSaki: i dont think i remember that either :P
[12:51] <NeoSaki> matus_: So you cannot hear anything at all?
[12:51] <beregos> NeoSaki: though as i said kopete can watch tv but not change channels ofcourse
[12:52] <matus_> NeoSaki: i can hear something, but *very* silently
[12:52] <NeoSaki> beregos: settings ->configure
[12:52] <NeoSaki> erm cancel that
[12:52] <NeoSaki> thinking of another program xD
[12:53] <NeoSaki> beregos: under the video menu what does it say at the bottom
[12:53] <NeoSaki> matus_: what type of mic are you using?
[12:53] <beregos> video menu? where?
[12:53] <NeoSaki> 4th menu at the top of the main screen
[12:54] <beregos> in kdetv?
[12:54] <NeoSaki> yeah
[12:54] <beregos> all i get when i start kdetv is a black fullscreen
[12:54] <beregos> and have to logoff to quit it
[12:54] <NeoSaki> i see
[12:54] <NeoSaki> did you install from the repository?
[12:55] <beregos> i googled for it as usual, and it seems that many has this problem. But there are no answers how to fix it
[12:55] <beregos> NeoSaki: yes
[12:55] <matus_> NeoSaki: external headphones with mic
[12:55] <NeoSaki> matus_: does it have a mute button on it?
[12:55] <beregos> NeoSaki: and the same problem appears in breezy
[12:56] <matus_> NeoSaki: nope
[12:56] <NeoSaki> matus_: Do you happen to have another computer to test your mic out on?
[12:56] <NeoSaki> say one with windows or mac osx?
[12:56] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, it works flawelessly
[12:57] <NeoSaki> how many sound cards do you have installed in your computer?
[12:57] <matus_> NeoSaki: yes, it works flawlessly
[12:57] <matus_> NeoSaki: 1
[12:57] <NeoSaki> ight...hrm...so its got to do with kmixer...
[12:57] <matus_> NeoSaki: 0000:00:1b.0 0403: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[12:58] <NeoSaki> hey abattoir, you there?
[12:58] <beregos> matus_: just pull everything in kmixer to top just to test
[12:58] <matus_> NeoSaki: knixer has all 100% up
[12:58] <beregos> ok
[12:58] <matus_> NeoSaki: all unmuted
[12:58] <beregos> and nothing is muted?
[12:58] <matus_> beregos: yes
[12:59] <matus_> beregos: nothing is muted
[12:59] <beregos> both input, output and have first of all checked the switches so you have the right one enabled
[01:00] <beregos> try all mic options if nothing else helps
[01:01] <matus_> beregos: tried
[01:02] <matus_> beregos: the worst thing is, tat it works on win :(
[01:02] <willie_> can anyone help with a plug-in for .wma files on Firefox?
[01:03] <NeoSaki> beregos: have you tried using xawtv?
[01:03] <NeoSaki> willie_: whatchu need?
[01:04] <matus_> NeoSaki: beregos has left this server
[01:04] <lupine_85> !w32codecs
[01:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:04] <matus_> NeoSaki: here are snapshots of my mixer:
[01:04] <willie_> n00b I set up with kubuntu needs to get embedded .wma sounds from a fav website - I dunno sos I never bother with .wma
[01:04] <matus_> NeoSaki: http://matus.shake.org/mic_prob/
[01:04] <lupine_85> that with mplayer will do the trick
[01:05] <lupine_85> !mozillaplugin-mplayer
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mozillaplugin-mplayer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <lupine_85> !mozilla-mplayer
[01:05] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.17-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 421 kB, installed size 1500 kB
[01:06] <willie_> thanks folks :-)
[01:08] <judgen> hehe xawtv did the same as kdetv
[01:08] <judgen> all black screen
[01:09] <judgen> im wondering if it has something to do with the video options
[01:09] <judgen> im forcing scaling and videooverlay instead of opengloverlay
[01:10] <judgen> might be something with qt though
[01:11] <judgen> no ideas?
[01:13] <beregos> haha neverball rules =)
[01:13] <beregos> i didnt stand a chanche when the edges was removed though hehe
[01:14] <NeoSaki> linux hates my vid card >_>
[01:14] <beregos> NeoSaki got any ideas why all the tv apps produce a black screen instead of the app itself?
[01:14] <beregos> NeoSaki what card?
[01:15] <NeoSaki> ATI All In Wonder 9700 Pro
[01:15] <beregos> why does it hate it?
[01:15] <NeoSaki> it won't let me use its TV-Tuner
[01:15] <beregos> aaah
[01:16] <beregos> it doesnt?
[01:16] <NeoSaki> >_> All I wanna do is watch TV on my desktop
[01:16] <NeoSaki> nope
[01:16] <beregos> even beos has tvtuner support for some ati cards
[01:16] <beregos> have you checked around on google?
[01:16] <NeoSaki> well I mean there is "support" but the drivers aren't being too friendly
[01:17] <beregos> ill be right back just have to reboot
[01:24] <NeoSaki> hey abattoir, how do you access the xorg setup on here, the normal xorgconfig isn't working
[01:24] <abattoir> NeoSaki: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[01:25] <NeoSaki> abattoir: thanks
[01:34] <aes52> guys I want to install ubuntu + lvm on a physical partition, should I just use the livecd, make the logical volume(s) i want, then run the installer?
[01:37] <binary2k2> aes52: if you want LVM, it's better to use the alterate CD, i'm not even sure the Live CD installer can setup LVM
[01:37] <pavi> my usb drive is mounted as read only:((
[01:39] <fildo> any of use running compiz here?
[01:40] <saki> compiz?
[01:48] <chx> is there any way to find out the maximal resolution of my super-duper obscure (Google find 109 pages at all) video card?
[01:50] <lupine_85> chx: almost completely dependent on the amount of video RAM you have
[01:51] <NeoSaki> whats the easiest way to update xorg to v 7.1 and download all the ati drivers?
[01:51] <NeoSaki> and gatos stuff
[01:51] <chx> sorry. my question was wrong. This card has an LFH-60 connector with a splitter to two DVI connectors. The question is rather: how can i find out whether I have a dual link capable card or not?
[01:54] <kingheaven> who uses kubuntu for ppc ?
[01:54] <aes52> does the kubuntu installer support LVM ?
[02:01] <philipp> what is ppc
[02:01] <tsdgeos> lol
[02:01] <KingHeaven> powerpc
[02:01] <tsdgeos> KingHeaven: Riddell (kubuntu main devel) has a ppc around
[02:02] <KingHeaven> does kubuntu for ppc have a java sdk?
[02:04] <Riddell> aes52: alternate CD does
[02:04] <Riddell> KingHeaven: packages.ubuntu.com
[02:05] <KingHeaven> thank u very much
[02:05] <NeoSaki> this is making me wanna stab myself to relieve the pressure
[02:06] <scanwinder> i just installed the 64-bit version of kubuntu dapper and, ive noticed that its using up about 440Mb or RAM when all ive got open is mozilla firefox, anyone know why it would be using so much? ive barley done anything to it since it was installed
[02:07] <scanwinder> the system only has 512Mb of RAM so its 440Mb is quite significant
[02:07] <scanwinder> given that 64Mb is shared for the graphics card
[02:07] <lupine_85> scanwinder: a large chunk will be buffer
[02:07] <scanwinder> ah
[02:07] <lupine_85> that's nothing to worry about - linux will automagically drop it if the RAM is needed for anything else
[02:08] <scanwinder> its just generally running slow, i thought that may be source of the problem but perhaps its something else
[02:08] <NeoSaki> automagically lol
[02:08] <lupine_85> I've got 512MB RAM as well, and it runs fast here. What speed is your CPU? (and have you got your graphics card set up properly?)
[02:09] <Raul12> where can i get linux liabaries with description and their download
[02:09] <scanwinder> i dont have graphics card set up yet. the processor is amd athlon 64 3600+ X2
[02:09] <lupine_85> Raul12: adept
[02:09] <scanwinder> ive got system monitor open:P
[02:10] <lupine_85> you can tell if it's buffer by looking at the middle bar - dark green is buffer
[02:10] <scanwinder> middle bar where?
[02:10] <lupine_85> of the system monitor
[02:11] <Raul12> if i want to add new liabries to the existing one where do i get all information about them
[02:11] <lupine_85> Raul12: adept :)
[02:11] <scanwinder> im looking under physical memory in the system monitor and the middle bar is red
[02:11] <Raul12> ok i try searching it on net adept
[02:11] <lupine_85> KInfoCenter?
[02:12] <lupine_85> Raul12: Big K->System->Adept
[02:12] <Raul12> y
[02:12] <lupine_85> !adept
[02:12] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:12] <Raul12> no i want to a add new liabries from dling it from net
[02:12] <lupine_85> Raul12: which one?
[02:13] <Raul12> developer or codec liabries
[02:13] <Raul12> from net
[02:13] <scanwinder> the middle bar's green in kinfocenter
[02:13] <scanwinder> disk cache 37%
[02:13] <Raul12> so where do i get information on net for them
[02:13] <lupine_85> most libraries are available in adept. Any that aren't in adept, you need to google for
[02:13] <Raul12> ok
[02:14] <lupine_85> scanwinder: sounds about right. My "free physical memory" is 7%; 32% disc cache
[02:14] <scanwinder> im just noticing that apps are taking a long time to open and such
[02:14] <scanwinder> ok
[02:14] <scanwinder> any ideas why its slow then?
[02:14] <lupine_85> my processor is only a 2500+ ... so it must be something to do with the graphics
[02:14] <scanwinder> ok, ill set up the graphics card
[02:14] <lupine_85> nVidia or ATi? Or something obscure? ;)
[02:14] <scanwinder> nvidia:P
[02:15] <Raul12> will the liabries is externally installed can be deceted by "adept"
[02:15] <lupine_85> !nvidia
[02:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:15] <lupine_85> Raul12: not unless it comes as a .deb file
[02:15] <scanwinder> ive only set up ati in linux before - nvidia is apparently much better in linux
[02:15] <lupine_85> (and it probably won't)
[02:15] <scanwinder> should be fun
[02:15] <lupine_85> much easier :)
[02:15] <Raul12> if it doesnt come with .deb file how do i remove it after ward ??
[02:15] <lupine_85> generally, you can't
[02:16] <scanwinder> i dont get why no ati drivers work and just keep working, they just randomly crap out on me
[02:16] <lupine_85> checkinstall might help you for application software, but I wouldn't trust it with libraries
[02:16] <Raul12> then if it causing some error then what ?
[02:16] <lupine_85> ATi are useless :)
[02:16] <lupine_85> Raul12: this is why it's generally best to install from adept
[02:16] <lupine_85> playing with libraries is a good way to break your system
[02:16] <Raul12> but sometimes all the liabries are not avaiable from their
[02:17] <lupine_85> name a library
[02:17] <whizz> fsck says: "Inode <something> is in use, but has dtime set. Fix<y>?" can i safely press "y" ?
[02:17] <scanwinder> now hopefully the drivers will be on the unmetered download site:P
[02:17] <lupine_85> whizz: erm. is your drive mounted?
[02:17] <Raul12> i dont know but one of my friend told me about these error
[02:18] <Raul12> so i am concerned 4 future
[02:18] <lupine_85> almost all programs you'll ever come across will have their libraries in adept
[02:18] <lupine_85> if not, then you either find an alternative, or bite the bullet
[02:19] <mikki> i need some help with flash, i want to play a flash game, and i have installed flash, but it still dosnt work
[02:19] <lupine_85> making backups of /lib and /usr/lib is one way to be slightly safer
[02:19] <whizz> lupine_85: no
[02:19] <Raul12> ok
[02:19] <lupine_85> mikki: only flash <= 7 is supported in linux....
[02:19] <lupine_85> whizz: should be safe then.
[02:20] <lupine_85> if unsure, it's normally safe to go with the defaults :)
[02:20] <mikki> ok
[02:20] <whizz> ok
[02:20] <scanwinder> yeah flash runs like crap in linux
[02:20] <scanwinder> really annoys me!
[02:21] <lupine_85> blame it on Macromedia :)
[02:21] <scanwinder> i ended up running the latest flash through wine
[02:21] <scanwinder> thats how desparate i got
[02:21] <maltron> hi - can anyone help me change the default LANG setting to en_AU?  At the moment it's en_AU.UTF-8 and I think that utf-8 is causing me problems.
[02:21] <whizz> lupine_85: i pressed y, now fsck ask about the same inode: Inode <something> has imagic flag set. Clear<y>?
[02:22] <lupine_85> that one I don't know about.
[02:22] <lupine_85> Default is yes, though
[02:23] <Raul12> when i run fsck it tell the disk is mounted unsafe to carry on
[02:23] <Raul12> but i am on desktop
[02:23] <lupine_85> Raul12: don't run fsck on a mounted disc
[02:23] <scanwinder> apparently the next version of flash will work for linux and it will be less dodgey than flash 7 is on it
[02:23] <Raul12> so how i unmount n continue with my desktop
[02:24] <lupine_85> since the disc you're trying to fsck is likely the one your desktop is on... you don't
[02:24] <Raul12> so i have to unmount my working disk
[02:24] <lupine_85> fsck will automaticvally run if it need to on startup
[02:24] <Raul12> n wait 4 it 2 over
[02:24] <onkeltuca> hi
[02:25] <Raul12> can i know what fsck do defragment ???
[02:25] <onkeltuca> does anybody read?
[02:26] <lupine_85> ...it's the FileSystem ChecKer. There's no need to defrag on linux
[02:26] <Raul12> why that so
[02:26] <Raul12> we delete on linux
[02:26] <lupine_85> because linux uses ext2/ext3/reiserfs
[02:27] <Raul12> r they better than ntfs or fat ??
[02:27] <lupine_85> much
[02:27] <Raul12> thanks lupin
[02:28] <kristina> can't download files in kopete (from icq) what to do? need i a plug in or something?
[02:29] <kristina> the download button isn't enable
[02:29] <kristina> please help me
[02:29] <kristina> :-(
[02:30] <onkeltuca> does anybody know how to deal with broadcom devices
[02:31] <lupine_85> onkeltuca: you can use the native driver or ndiswrapper
[02:31] <onkeltuca> i tried thatthis night
[02:31] <lupine_85> the native one needs some firmware: http://www.lupine.me.uk/bcm43xx
[02:31] <onkeltuca> doesnt work
[02:31] <lupine_85> (the .tar.gz file)
[02:31] <onkeltuca> but thx
[02:31] <lupine_85> so you've tried the native+firmware route?
[02:32] <onkeltuca> yes
[02:32] <lupine_85> then your next step is to try ndiswrapper
[02:32] <onkeltuca> o took these bwc... files
[02:32] <lupine_85> !ndiswrapper
[02:32] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:32] <onkeltuca> and tried to wrapp it
[02:32] <lupine_85> it runs your windows drivers in linux and generally works
[02:32] <lupine_85> I've never installed it though, so can't really help you further :(
[02:33] <Raul12> which download button kristina ?
[02:33] <onkeltuca> thx a loti will retry
[02:33] <onkeltuca> well i use an acer laptop
[02:34] <onkeltuca> si i alos left the wlan card activated in windows ten reboot
[02:34] <tyler_d> how would I install an older version of xorg-driver-fglrx? where would I find it?
[02:34] <onkeltuca> but the wln buttons doesnt work..
[02:34] <lupine_85> tyler_d: apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx=<version>
[02:34] <tyler_d> lupine_85: beautiful.. let me try it
[02:35] <kristina> to download a file with kopete
[02:35] <kristina> in kopete the download
[02:35] <Raul12> reinstall it
[02:36] <tyler_d> version not found?
[02:36] <lupine_85> then that particular version doesn't exist
[02:36] <_philipp> tyler, use an interface like synaptic and the you can choose the version
[02:36] <lupine_85> make sure the version string is in the same format as the current one
[02:36] <ejder_> hi everybody, can someone help me pls,
[02:36] <lupine_85> or use adept :)
[02:37] <tyler_d> lupine_85: I will look... 2 secs
[02:37] <ejder_> it's about installing nvidia drivers
[02:37] <Sa_aD> Hi
[02:37] <ejder_> hi
[02:37] <Sa_aD> Please any one free for help ?
[02:37] <Sa_aD> i just have one quesion
[02:37] <Raul12> any way to convert .rpm into .deb and is it safe ?
[02:37] <ejder_> ask it
[02:38] <lupine_85> !alien
[02:38] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[02:38] <lupine_85> app software is generally safe
[02:38] <lupine_85> libraries and core utils, kernels etc... less so
[02:38] <Sa_aD> i want to make the font size biger in IRC clint :$
[02:39] <Raul12> hmmm
[02:39] <ejder_> can someone please, tell me what's wrong with nvidia-glx driver, when i choose it on adpet (or with apt-get) after restarting X server there's no trace about it, just like if i didn't installed. And my screen got crazy
[02:39] <Sa_aD> ?
[02:40] <lupine_85> ejder_: you need to enable the driver?
[02:40] <onkeltuca> which card do you have?
[02:40] <ejder_> i did
[02:40] <ejder_> with nvidia-xconfig
[02:40] <Sa_aD> i want to make the font size biger in IRC clint :$
[02:40] <lupine_85> well if your screen went crazy, *something* happened :)
[02:40] <ejder_> FX 5600
[02:40] <aes52> can anyone tell me if the ubuntu installer includes LVM support?
[02:40] <lupine_85> are you sure your card is supported?
[02:40] <ejder_> for the card on AMD athlon
[02:41] <lupine_85> aes52: the alt install cd, yes
[02:41] <ejder_> and i have my kernel-k7 installed
[02:41] <lupine_85> not the silly LiveCD thing
[02:41] <aes52> lupine_85 why's that?
[02:41] <aes52> so I need some alternate CD ?
[02:41] <ejder_> yes it is on the list of supported device
[02:41] <aes52> is there documentation for that?
[02:41] <onkeltuca> nvidia has linuxdrivers
[02:42] <Sa_aD> Any answer ?
[02:42] <onkeltuca> just dl and install
[02:42] <Raul12> i have nvidia FX 5200 but i cant intsall it
[02:42] <tyler_d> ejder: sounds like you are having the same problem as me... the latest driver xglr ruins your framerate with the k7 modules
[02:42] <ejder_> i i know, but it didnt recognize my second monitor
[02:42] <ejder_> so its why i need nvidia propritary drivers
[02:42] <lupine_85> aes52: because they haven't gotten around to coding it into the graphical installer yet, I'd imagine
[02:43] <eeos> hi abattoir
[02:43] <ejder_> i didnt know about framerate, i just need my second display to be accessible
[02:43] <abattoir> eeos: hi
[02:43] <Sa_aD> i want to make the font size biger in IRC clint :$
[02:43] <eeos> how are you?
[02:43] <Jucato> abattoir's customer... :)
[02:43] <ejder_> and on system configuration, no way to configure it
[02:43] <aes52> lupine_85 couldn't I just create the logical volume in a terminal with the LIVECD then install onto the logical volume ?
[02:43] <onkeltuca> actually nvidia has good support http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[02:43] <abattoir> eeos: i havent received your payment... shall i charge your paypal account?
[02:44] <abattoir> eeos: :P
[02:44] <ejder_> tx for links onkeltuca
[02:44] <lupine_85> aes52: you might be able to
[02:44] <eeos> abattoir :P
[02:44] <abattoir> eeos: i'm fine... how about you?
[02:44] <lupine_85> I've never tried it, so can't say for sure
[02:44] <eeos> abattoir Had a good weekend
[02:44] <abattoir> eeos: that's nice :)
[02:44] <ejder_> i'm lookin at it right now
[02:44] <aes52> did you use the alternate cd lupine_85?
[02:44] <lupine_85> as long as they show up as "normal" partitions, I'd imagine it'd be fine
[02:44] <_philipp> font-size: in the konversation menu: settings=>configure=> fonts=> choose
[02:44] <lupine_85> yep :)
[02:44] <aes52> how did you find it?
[02:44] <eeos> abattoir (centre of italy here)
[02:44] <lupine_85> easy
[02:45] <aes52> is there any documentation for it anywhere?
[02:45] <lupine_85> it's an ncurses interface, so not as pretty, but you get much more control if you need it
[02:45] <lupine_85> aes52: on the wiki I think
[02:45] <aes52> ok thanks lupine_85
[02:45] <lupine_85> you don't really need it though - it's mostly self-explnatory
[02:45] <onkeltuca> no worries
[02:45] <aes52> do you use kubuntu lupine_85?
[02:46] <Sa_aD> Hey !
[02:46] <eeos> abattoir I am trying to upgrade my chroot to edgy eft
[02:46] <aes52> presumably there exists a 'kubuntu alternate cd' too
[02:46] <lupine_85> yes
[02:46] <abattoir> eeos: your 32-bit one?
[02:46] <Sa_aD> i asked a question is it hard to answer :(
[02:46] <eeos> abattoir do you think i will be able to run all last packages inside a chroot?
[02:46] <eeos> abattoir yes
[02:46] <lupine_85> !patience
[02:46] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:46] <aes52> which irc client Sa_aD?
[02:47] <abattoir> eeos: yes, i think you should be able to... cant think of reason why not
[02:47] <Sa_aD> Konversation
[02:47] <eeos> abattoir i'd like to try also kde 4
[02:47] <lupine_85> ...Settings, maybe...
[02:47] <der0b> Hey folks, is there some way to remove the KDE GTK theme config section in kcontrol?
[02:47] <aes52> type into google: font increase + Konversation ???
[02:47] <abattoir> eeos: sure, if you really *need* it, why not?
[02:47] <lupine_85> it's a pretty self-explantary UI, TBH
[02:48] <lupine_85> erm -a+o
[02:48] <eeos> abattoir don't need it just curious
[02:48] <_philipp> Sa_aD: I ALREADY ANSWERED
[02:48] <abattoir> eeos: well, it looks exactly like the current 3.x releases...
[02:48] <aes52> lupine_85 how do you find kde over gnome?
[02:48] <lupine_85> nicer on the eyes
[02:48] <_philipp> Sa_aD look above
[02:48] <abattoir> eeos: and is highly unstable
[02:48] <aes52> what browser do you use?
[02:49] <lupine_85> firefox mostly :)
[02:49] <_philipp> #if you dont have a menu press ctrl+m
[02:49] <lupine_85> Konq. is OK
[02:49] <eeos> abattoir have you had a go at it?
[02:49] <abattoir> eeos: nope, dont need it for now
[02:49] <tyler_d> ok, I'm not the brightest of sorts but I have installed the k7 package and with the xorg-driver-x... my frame rate is ruined? anyone know or have any ideas??
[02:49] <eeos> abattoir i thought they were goign to change the menu substantially
[02:50] <abattoir> eeos: yes, the work is just getting started :)
[02:50] <lupine_85> tyler_d: if you change your kernel, you need to install the appropriate linux-restricted-drivers
[02:50] <eeos> abattoir ah!
[02:50] <abattoir> eeos: there are still atleast 5~6 months before the release
[02:50] <lupine_85> presumably, you're using a binary driver for nVidia/ATi?
[02:50] <eeos> abattoir btw, i have not been able to solve the problem with kaffeine
[02:50] <tyler_d>  lupine_85: thats with teh appropriate driver
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir i would like to participate into the testing phase of the new release
[02:51] <abattoir> eeos: ah, i thought you said it worked afterwards.... or was it someone else?
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir as developer i ma real crap
[02:51] <sui> hi all together
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir s/ma/am
[02:51] <abattoir> eeos: that's nice, you could install edgy, and report bugs to LP
[02:51] <eeos> abattoir yes i am going to do a bit of it
[02:51] <abattoir> eeos: also hanging out at #kubuntu-devel might be a good idea
[02:52] <eeos> abattoir did not know about it
[02:52] <eeos> abattoir just entered the room
[02:52] <abattoir> yes, i noticed :)
[02:52] <scanwinder> the computer is still running slow, installing nvidia drivers didnt seem to help much
[02:53] <eeos> abattoir updating to edgy eft now, i will et you know
[02:53] <abattoir> eeos: ok :)
[02:53] <Sa_aD> ????
[02:53] <eeos> abattoir goign to close konversatio so that i have a bit more bandwith
[02:53] <eeos> abattoir see you later
[02:53] <scanwinder> anyone got any ideas? a new kubuntu installation on a fast computer but, its running fairly slow, apps are taking forever to open and such
[02:53] <abattoir> eeos: ok
[02:55] <Raul12> increase swap space scan
[02:56] <Raul12> whats ur ram
[02:56] <scanwinder> 512Mb
[02:57] <scanwinder> actually i just noticed its saying the clock speed is 1004mhz, which is way wrong, its a athlon 64 3600+ X2 processor:P
[02:57] <scanwinder> ill go look in bios
[02:57] <steini> scanwinder: I've 512MB too....it's not the best to run KDE with a lot of apps...but it's fast enough
[02:57] <scanwinder> its a new system i think maybe i need to look in the bios and see why the clock speed sucks
[02:58] <scanwinder> bye - ill be back if its not that
[02:59] <sui> steini: 512 MB is enough for newer KDE-versions
[02:59] <ubuntu_> ciao ce qualcuno che puo aiutarmi?
[02:59] <ubuntu_> vi prego
[03:00] <onkeltuca> how to add other sessintypes to KDM
[03:00] <onkeltuca> ?
[03:00] <onkeltuca> i installed fluxbox
[03:01] <ubuntu_> AIUTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:01] <steini> sui: yes...of course :)
[03:02] <steini> sui: but it uses a lot of swap too :)
[03:02] <sui> steini: my system uses 106/512 RAM and no swap
[03:02] <michaelvs> Si ubuntu_, io forse posso aiuto.
[03:03] <michaelvs> Che cose tua problema?
[03:03] <steini> sui: hehe then you've a lucky person *g
[03:04] <sui> steini: no, just using mpd for listening music and connectin via ssh on a server to chat ;)
[03:05] <steini> sui: hehe but the you don't need KDE....with OpenBox and a lot of xterms the memory usage will not go over ~64MB *g
[03:06] <sui> steini: sure, but i like kde much more than openbox. i love K-apps like konqueror, kile, kontact, gwenview, kaudiocreator....
[03:07] <steini> sui: konqueror is the real KDE killer-App...like Emacs....konqueror can do anything :p
[03:08] <sui> steini: yes, and with all those kio-slaves it rocks
[03:09] <steini> btw. why is the sysinfo:/ salve missing in Kubuntu?
[03:12] <Jucato> steini: it's something from SUSE only... but it's been suggested to be packaged in Debian, so we will probably have that soon...
[03:13] <steini> Jucato: well I've seen that sysinfo:/ stuff on a laptop on our local LUG...I'm not sure if that was a Suse...probaly :)
[03:14] <sui> !kde
[03:14] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the K Desktop Environment. To install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE for other ways to get KDE
[03:14] <sui> is there a howto, how to upgrade to kde-3.5.4
[03:15] <sui> ?
[03:15] <Jucato> sui: yes there is
[03:16] <sui> Jucato: do you have a link for me? (yes, i can look for myself)
[03:16] <Jucato> but unless you're prepared to work around some minor annoyances... I'd recommend staying with KDE 3.5.3
[03:16] <sui> Jucato: with 6.06 kde 3.5.2 is shipped
[03:17] <Jucato> sui: yes. and both KDE 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 were made available later after that
[03:17] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php <--- for KDE 3.5.4
[03:17] <sui> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[03:18] <sui> sry... mauspointer was over the wrong window :)
[03:18] <Jucato> :)
[03:18] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php <--- for 3.5.3
[03:18] <Jucato> again, I'd recommend going with KDE 3.5.3 in the meantime...
[03:18] <sui> Jucato: why?
[03:19] <steini> sui: hehe....denglish is cool :p
[03:19] <sui> 3.5.4 ist stable isn't it?
[03:19] <Jucato> sui: KDE 3.5.4 on Dapper has a few... um... annoying bugs. still usable
[03:19] <sui> s/ist/is/
[03:19] <dimsuz> Jucato: what are they?
[03:20] <Jucato> 1) KPersonalizer starting up every time you login
[03:20] <dimsuz> Jucato: hm. not a case here :)
[03:20] <Jucato> 2) System Settings crashes if you go to the Command Shortcuts tab in Keyboard shortcuts
[03:21] <dimsuz> 2) didn't check :)
[03:21] <Jucato> dimsuz: most of the time, KPersonalizer gets installed during the update to KDE 3.5.4.  if it didn't, then you're lucky
[03:21] <sui> Jucato: hm, with my thinkpad i have some annoying bugs with kmix at startup
[03:21] <Jucato> sui: probably not related to KDE 3.5.4?
[03:21] <dimsuz> Jucato: it seems it didn't :)
[03:22] <Jucato> 3) some problems with HAL (sometimes)
[03:22] <dimsuz> Jucato: 3) definetly :)
[03:22] <Jucato> 4) settings for Power Savings always reverts to "enabled" and "30 minutes:
[03:22] <sui> Jucato: using mpd volume raises to maximum when kde starts. after pressing the volume-button of my thinkpad volume lowers zu 0%
[03:22] <dimsuz> I'd s/sometimes/almost always/
[03:22] <eeos> hi there. i need to compare 2 directories on my local computer, see what are the differences and then upgrade one of the 2 directories so that it mirrors the other
[03:22] <eeos> anyone with a clue?
[03:23] <Jucato> dimsuz: I had to say sometimes because, like KPersonalizer, some people didn't have problems with it
[03:23] <pitreo> ciao
[03:24] <dhq> hey there
[03:24] <dhq> i get this error cannont connect to xserver what do i do
[03:24] <dimsuz> dhq: do "xhost +"
[03:24] <dimsuz> as a user
[03:25] <ketsugi> After adding a filetype handler, I've been getting this error from some KDE apps (Konqueror and Kate, so far): "Could not find mime type: application/octet-stream"
[03:25] <ketsugi> Any idea how I can rectify this?
[03:25] <dhq> dimsuz: access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
[03:26] <dimsuz> dhq: yes. now try to launch the app that caused an error again
[03:26] <dhq> when i start kdm i get the error
[03:26] <dhq> dimsuz:  when i start kdm i get the error
[03:29] <dhq> dimsuz:  when i start kdm i get the error
[03:31] <sui> << away, learning
[03:35] <dhq> i get this error cannont connect to xserver what do i do
[03:37] <timy> does anyone could tell me, which distro is faster: ubuntu or debian? (for desktop machine)
[03:42] <michaelvs> timy: I think the answer to your question is more a matter of which one is slimmed down.  If you want your sytem to be faster, scale back what you run.
[03:42] <michaelvs> You can do that with either ubunto or debian.
[03:44] <sebdraven> reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[03:47] <timy> ok, thx
[03:51] <Stardog_> is it common that kubuntu is unstable when it comes to network?
[03:51] <michaelvs> stardog: no.  It should be fine.
[03:51] <kompressor> No kubuntu is quite stable when it comes to network
[03:51] <michaelvs> Do you mean it crashes on the network?
[03:51] <|lostbyte|> Stardog_, No problems here..
[03:52] <Stardog_> michaelvs: I mean that i have to reboot my computer at least 5 times before i can get a stable line surfing on the net... while my XPbox works fine :/ what can possible by the error?
[03:52] <kompressor> Which version of kubuntu are you using?
[03:53] <Stardog_> kompressor: dapper
[03:53] <michaelvs> stardog, that certainly isn't typical.  If you're used to unix/linux I would suggest you try everything first without running X, to see if that is your problem.
[03:54] <Stardog_> michaelvs: do you know of a command in terminal to reinstall x?
[03:55] <KaiHanari> Stardog_, are you looking to rebuild the config file or completely reinstall?
[03:56] <Stardog_> if its possible... a complete reinstall without loosing anything personal.... Im asking 'cause my knowledge of this is limited :)
[03:56] <michaelvs> It sounds to me like that solution might be more technical than you want to pursue.  Instead of reinstalling X I would suggest booting without running X.  However it is one of those things where if you have to ask, it is probably more difficult than you want to do.
[03:56] <michaelvs> Are you on ethernet or wireless?
[03:56] <Stardog_> ethernet
[03:57] <KaiHanari> Stardog_, sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg
[03:57] <michaelvs> stardog, laptop or desktop?
[03:57] <Stardog_> desktop
[03:57] <sui> wth, kmail uses nearly 100% cpu-time
[03:57] <KaiHanari> then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:57] <ninHer> hi all
[03:57] <michaelvs> stardog, and your ocmputer just hangs, or does it just not access the network nicely?
[03:58] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[03:58] <Stardog_> michaelvs: the last alternative.....
[03:59] <michaelvs> OK, that clears things up quite a bit: so your computer runs, but it isn't accessing the network properly.  chances are that the problem relates to incorrectly configured network settings.
[03:59] <rod> Hi, I have kubuntu installed on my shiney new LG xnote laptop, but can't get the laptops speaker working...  when I try mpg321 i get sound via the headphone jack, but nothing on the laptop speakers.  I've checked the alsamixer levels and they seem fine, any ideas?
[03:59] <rod> thanks
[04:00] <michaelvs> Do you use dhcp (does the computer get settings automatically) or have you set your network up manually?
[04:00] <highneko> !mplayer
[04:00] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. Enable multiverse repo and type sudo apt-get install mplayer for more info please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer  To compile it from source see:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPlayer/Compile  Also see !codecs
[04:00] <ubotu> For Codecs try !codecs Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MplayerInstallHowto for installation tips.
[04:00] <sui> how can i tell kmail it shall only look into folder /Mail, not my home $HOME?
[04:01] <sui> ... on an imapserver
[04:01] <Stardog_> michaelvs:  uhm... haven't been touching those configurings at all... and it worked fine in the beginning... its lately that this has been buggy
[04:01] <BluesKaj> rod , it check the digital sound setting in the mixer , try it on then off depending on the souncard
[04:02] <p0w4h> Why isn't aMSN in Adept Manager??
[04:02] <lupine_85> because it's nowhere near as good as Kopete? ;)
[04:03] <p0w4h> bukakke :)
[04:03] <lupine_85> only german
[04:03] <p0w4h> let's give it a try
[04:03] <BluesKaj> p0w4h, there's a tarball (tar.gz) aMSN
[04:03] <rod> BluesKaj, which one is the digital sound setting?  And do u mean just mute it?
[04:03] <p0w4h> not in adept :(
[04:04] <BluesKaj> no mute , rod
[04:05] <BluesKaj> rod, look in switches tab
[04:05] <michaelvs> stardog, I would suggest that you revisit your network settings.  from the menu, System, Admin, Network.  Deactivate and reactivate your settings to see if improves things.  If you aren't on DHCP then confirm your name server hasn't changed.  If what I've described doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll try to make it more clear and give some additional background.
[04:06] <rod> BluesKaj, the switches tab? I'm just using the alsamixer console app, how do I access this?
[04:07] <Stardog_> michaelvs: ill try that
[04:08] <BluesKaj> rod, click on the speaker icon, you'll see the mixer button , click onit
[04:10] <Blaat> hi, i have this fat partition wich i cant seem to write to as a normal user, it is configured in fstab as rw,user,auto. what am i doing wrong?
[04:11] <ubu> hallo
[04:11] <Blaat> hi
[04:11] <Jucato> can anyone confirm if the problem with connecting to MSN is just with Kopete or with MSN itself?
[04:11] <lupine_85> Blaat: try setting uid=(your uid) in the fstab
[04:12] <Blaat> uid is just my username?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> Kopete sucks!
[04:12] <Blaat> (sorry, im linux noob :P)
[04:12] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I didn't ask whether it sux or not. thank you
[04:12] <Jucato> oh I forgot to say: :P
[04:13] <BluesKaj> Jucato, just funnin ya, i had a tuff time with kopete , soit sucks for me :)
[04:13] <Stardog_> michaelvs: thanks for advice... uhm... turned it on and of... Im on dhcp but i guess i have to wait and see for next boot, or some other day if its still buddy :p
[04:13] <arejaytee> same thing here Jucato
[04:13] <michaelvs> stardog, the change should be immediate.  You shouldn't ahve to wait for the next boot.
[04:14] <Jucato> I wonder if people using aMSN or using MSN Messenger on Windows are having the same problem...
[04:14] <Blaat> aMSN works fine for me, it can connect to msn like normally on windows...
[04:14] <BluesKaj> i managed to get aMSN to work after 2 or 3 tries
[04:14] <Jucato> lupine_85: I was connected to, until I restarted...
[04:14] <lupine_85> Kopete 0.11.1 on KDE 3.5.2
[04:15] <Stardog_> michaelvs: uhm... its working fine now actually...
[04:15] <Jucato> hmm....
[04:15] <michaelvs> stardog, especially if you're on dhcp, the next step is to make sure that you got an address right.  The technique for doing this is almost the same as what you would do in XP, if that is what you're more familiar with.  You open a command line prompt, and type 'sudo ifconfig'.  You can then see if you got an address ok.  (I'm sure there is a more gui way to do that but I'm not sure.)
[04:16] <michaelvs> stardog, just saw your last message.  I would guess tha the adapter configuration has somehow changed.  Do you know how to confirm that the adapter is set to automatically come up during the boot?
[04:16] <Stardog_> michaelvs: uhm... no :p
[04:17] <sui> okay guys, thanks for your help, but kubuntu is not my distribution i prefer to use :)
[04:17] <Jucato> ...
[04:17] <sui> see you in #gentoo :)
[04:17] <Stardog_> loll
[04:18] <lupine_85> erm, MSN, rather :p
[04:18] <Jucato> hm.. probably a new Kopete version problem...
[04:19] <Jucato> anyone on Kopete 0.12.2?
[04:20] <BluesKaj> one can install aMSN with the right repositories, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:21] <Stardog_> !cups
[04:21] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[04:22] <michaelvs> stardog, if you look at your network settings again, look at the settings for your ethernet adaptor.  In it there should be something about bringing the interface up at book time.  I'm at work right now and can't check for myself on my hope box because I've got a resource hog app running on it right now (windows in vmware, ironically)
[04:24] <sui> BYE
[04:24] <sui> sry, caps ;)
[04:25] <StR> Hi all
[04:25] <StR> anyone having problems connecting to MSN?
[04:25] <surfacing> hello
[04:27] <surfacing> I've extracted Superkaramba.tar.gz and now i've to config and install it, but when i type ./configure && make && make install there comes an error message: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[04:28] <kilrae> sudo?
[04:28] <arejaytee> whats the widget bar called in kde?
[04:28] <kilrae> why not just install with adept?
[04:28] <arejaytee> for quick launch or whatever like macs
[04:28] <kilrae> a panel?
[04:29] <kilrae> or do you mean a mac dock clone?
[04:29] <arejaytee> yeah
[04:29] <Jucato> kxdocker
[04:29] <kilrae> there are also superkaramba ones as well
[04:29] <kilrae> i had horrible luck with kxdocker the last time i tried it
[04:30] <kilrae> of course karamba hogs your system too
[04:30] <surfacing> is there anybody who is able to help me?
[04:30] <Bazzi> surfacing: install the build-essential package
[04:30] <Jucato> surfacing: you can install superkaramba from the repositories
[04:30] <Jucato> no need to compile
[04:31] <surfacing> repositories? where can i find it?
[04:31] <lupine_85> !superkaramba
[04:31] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[04:31] <arejaytee> hrmm currently using conky, might give superkaramba a try also
[04:31] <lupine_85> !info superkaramba
[04:31] <Jucato> surfacing: using Adept. it's in the universe repos
[04:31] <ubotu> superkaramba: a program based on karamba improving the eyecandy of KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu8 (dapper), package size 504 kB, installed size 1376 kB
[04:32] <Jucato> surfacing: to enable the universe repository, follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:32] <surfacing> k i'll try it
[04:33] <BluesKaj> StR, I just installed aMSN in 2 mins ...are you having probs connecting ?
[04:33] <kilrae> je suis is connected to msn
[04:34] <StR> BluesKaj: yes.. connecting
[04:34] <StR> BluesKaj: it worked ok, 2 days ago
[04:35] <realpower2107> hallo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:35] <BluesKaj> it balked at connecting for me too , but then it worked, StR
[04:35] <realpower2107> any germans here????
[04:35] <BluesKaj> !de
[04:35] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:36] <ziza> what tool should i use to configure my start-up scripts?
[04:38] <llxcamxll> ok, is it normal to be having issues playing dvd's?
[04:38] <eeos> back
[04:39] <Stardog_> !no
[04:39] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[04:39] <BluesKaj> yeah llxcamxll , unless you have the codec pkg ...it's available seperately at the automatix site, but be careful
[04:40] <llxcamxll> hmm, why that?
[04:40] <BluesKaj> due to licencing copyrights etc , the commercial dvds won't play without the codec pkg
[04:41] <llxcamxll> ahh ok
[04:42] <BluesKaj> I'd google for codec pkgs on ubuntu , maybe there 's anew repository the has them
[04:44] <trappist> llxcamxll: sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[04:45] <trappist> BluesKaj: it's not a codec.  commercial dvds are encrypted.
[04:46] <BluesKaj> sorry about the confusion , but if he finds the right pkgs the encryption will be defeated , they came with a codec pkg in my experience
[04:47] <trappist> he needs libdvdcss - the easiest way to install it is to run sudo sh /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh
[04:48] <BluesKaj> thx trappist, now i remember :
[04:49] <BluesKaj> ):)
[04:49] <BluesKaj> old guy with bad selective memory
[04:50] <Jucato> sounds like one of my hard drives...
[04:50] <lupine_85> 4.3GB!
[04:51] <lupine_85> (have a 2.5GB which works, but I'm not using it)
[04:53] <lupine_85> Jucato: Only the EL
[04:53] <lupine_85> the ST is less resistant to high-humidity environments ;)
[04:53] <Jucato> :D
[04:53] <chrismir> woohoo.. welcome a gentoo->kubuntu convert. I finally got kubuntu installed and I'm happy with it (sofar ;-) )
[04:53] <nomi> hi all
[04:53] <Jucato> how ironic... someone just left Kubuntu for Gentoo a while ago... :)
[04:53] <Jucato> welcome chrismir! :D
[04:54] <chrismir> I bet that happens all the time
[04:54] <chrismir> thx!
[04:57] <redubuntu> alguien m puede ayudar al montaje de un segundo disco duro con el ubuntu 6.0.6
[04:57] <magical_trevsky> !es
[04:57] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:00] <milco> !compile
[05:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:01] <milco> how do i apt-get the kernel source for 6.06?
[05:02] <Jucato> milco: make sure that you have the "deb-src" repositories enabled (usually dapper and dapper-security)
[05:03] <milco> i have those enabled, but what are the package names?
[05:03] <Jucato> milco: then make a directory (because it will download in the current directory) and cd into it. then "apt-get source <package_name>"
[05:03] <milco> i only see kernel 2.4 stuff
[05:04] <Jucato> milco: if i'm not mistaken, it's linux-image-$(uname -r)
[05:04] <lupine_85> not linux-image-`uname -r` then? ;)
[05:04] <Jucato> lupine_85: heh.. the same thing
[05:04] <milco> =)
[05:04] <lupine_85> yep :)
[05:05] <milco> that makes sense guys
[05:05] <lupine_85> but mine is 1 character shorter ;)
[05:05] <Jucato> I just think that ` can be easily misread as '
[05:05] <lupine_85> true
[05:05] <Jucato> :p
[05:05] <milco> yeah, people use single quotes a lot when backquotes should be ...
[05:05] <Jucato> because not many people are used to using backquotes at all...
[05:06] <lupine_85> they`re so handy :)
[05:06] <milco> are they're? :P
[05:06] <lupine_85> cafe` ?
[05:06] <Jucato> and?
[05:07] <lupine_85> (alright, somewhat pointless with utf-8 and decent keyboards, I guess ;) )
[05:07] <Jucato> :)
[05:07] <lupine_85> personal_preferences++
[05:07] <Ashanty_Granpa> hello, good morning guys
[05:08] <JohnFlux> I just setup a printer
[05:08] <Jucato> hi
[05:08] <JohnFlux> but I can't see it in open office
[05:08] <JohnFlux> what could be the reason for that?
[05:08] <JohnFlux> it's setup in cups
[05:09] <lupine_85> JohnFlux: I believe you need to restart OpenOffice to get it to see any new printers
[05:11] <scanwinder> i was on earlier about my computer running slow in kubuntu(fresh install). someone suggested installing graphics card drivers which i have now done and, its still really slow at launching applications and stuff, anyone have any ideas? in kinfocenter, i notice it says the cpu clock speed is 1004mhz. My processor is a Athlon 64 3600+ X2, its clock speed should be around 2Ghz
[05:12] <JohnFlux> lupine_85: sweet
[05:12] <JohnFlux> it worked :-)
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> scanwinder,  perhaps the power saving stuff is enabled so its throttled back the cpu.
[05:14] <BluesKaj> scanwinder, I 'm running the Athlon 3200+ and have no speed probs
[05:14] <scanwinder> how do i disable the power saving stuff?
[05:14] <scanwinder> i cant find any such options in the bios
[05:14] <scanwinder> could it be a jumper or something?
[05:15] <BluesKaj> the apps in kubuntu are slower at launching than windows , trhere's no doubt about that
[05:15] <Jucato> really?
[05:15] <scanwinder> i just find it interesting that in kinfocenter it says the processor clock speed is 1004Mhz
[05:15] <BluesKaj> yup, on my machine , especially stuff that requires pws
[05:15] <scanwinder> does power saving cut back the clock speed?
[05:15] <Sikon> I installed GIMP on Kubuntu 6.06 and every time I try to quit it, it hangs and the toolbox window goes grey
[05:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: pws = passwords?
[05:16] <BluesKaj> yup
[05:16] <BluesKaj> synaptic and adept and kate
[05:16] <LeeJunFan> BluesKaj: I've experienced neither of those problems in years of running kubuntu - not to say it's not happening, but I can't imagine why.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> Sikon,  you sure you are  not just closing the IMAGE window. and then need to clolse the toolbox window?  can you still get to  the toolbox menu items?
[05:16] <Jucato> BluesKaj: well, probably the reason is that those apps have to use kdesu first rather than launching directly
[05:17] <Sikon> Dr_Willis> I close the image window first, then try to close the toolbox window and it hangs
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> yeah, but they should launch as fast as normal after the password has been entered.
[05:17] <milco> anyone ever install ivtv on kubuntu?
[05:17] <BluesKaj> LeeJunFan, the lil icon seems to take forever sometimes,  lauch the prog
[05:17] <redubuntu> espaol
[05:17] <Jucato> BluesKaj: notice the difference between launching normal kate and kdesu kate
[05:17] <Jucato> !es
[05:17] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> Sikon,  odd.. its working fine for me here. Hmm
[05:17] <milco> 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/build: Onbekend bestand of map.  Gestopt'
[05:17] <BluesKaj> normal katev ?
[05:18] <milco> make says that it cannot find the folder build... -gestop=stop
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Sikon,  try closing the toolbox window first? try runnin git from a shell. see if any error messages show up
[05:18] <lupine_85> scanwinder: that's power management stuff
[05:18] <Sikon> git?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> running IT
[05:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yes.. try launching Kate normally, and compare it with launching Kate with kdesu. launching kate normally is definitely faster
[05:18] <scanwinder> lupine_85: in the operating system or bios?
[05:18] <Sikon> hmm, weird - if I open and immediately close it, it closes fine
[05:18] <lupine_85> milco: sudo apt-get install linux-header-`uname -r`
[05:19] <lupine_85> scanwinder: in the OS
[05:19] <lupine_85> when not under heavy load, it slows the CPU down
[05:19] <scanwinder> where do i get into power management in kubuntu?
[05:19] <lupine_85> good for laptops
[05:19] <lupine_85> now that I don't know :(
[05:19] <lupine_85> the feature is called frequency scaling - maybe google can help
[05:20] <BluesKaj> yeah , from the kicker , it's much faster
[05:20] <Jucato> scanwinder: in System Settings try to look for Power Management (you can try typing it in the search bar)
[05:20] <Sikon> however
[05:20] <Sikon> if I close the layers window and then the toolbox window, it does hang
[05:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: because the app is launched directly. running that app with kdesu is different, so it's slower
[05:21] <Sikon> always
[05:21] <Sikon> actually, it hangs regardless of whether I try to close the toolbox window
[05:22] <Sikon> it outputs this on the console when I close the layers window:
[05:22] <Sikon> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7796358 ***
[05:22] <Sikon> gimp-2.2: terminated: Aborted
[05:22] <milco> lupine_85: cheers m8, i was in the right direction huh? :)
[05:22] <lupine_85> close :)
[05:24] <BluesKaj> no editing priveleges in kate without using kdesu tho , Jucato
[05:24] <mrj> hrllo
[05:24] <mrj> hello
[05:24] <mrj> how are u people :)
[05:24] <BluesKaj> hi mrj
[05:24] <Jucato> BluesKaj: no root editing priviliges. but Kate isn't only used for editing root stuff :)
[05:24] <scanwinder> ok ive got frequency scaling off now, things are a bit faster but they're still not instant, ive seen windows systems with slower hardware do stuff quicker
[05:25] <scanwinder> any have any other ideas?
[05:25] <mrj> i have an question here
[05:25] <scanwinder> ubuntu/kubuntu's supposed to be fairly fast - well not compared to like gentoo
[05:25] <BluesKaj> i use it mainly to edit the repositories, cuz that's about all i know hoew to do in kate :) , Jucato
[05:25] <mrj> so my wireless card is Broadcom BC4310 and i have managet to get it work on kubuntu, but the speet is.... hm it is below 30 Kb/s
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> I never found gentoo to be noticeably faster then ubuntu
[05:26] <Jucato> BluesKaj: ehehe. :)
[05:26] <scanwinder> im finding it right now:P
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> You could install the 686 kernel , or perhaps some other more specific to your hardware kenrel
[05:26] <scanwinder> there's an idea..i might try that
[05:26] <dutchie> hi chaps .... could someone give me a source to a recent kopete update ?
[05:26] <scanwinder> i would still expect it to run faster than it is without that tho
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> benchmark it.. prove it.. :) verify it..
[05:27] <dutchie> someone gave me the link a few days ago but I stupidly lost the URL
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> file a bug.
[05:27] <Sikon> on a fresh copy of Ubuntu 6.06.1 running under VMware, the layers window isn't even open by default, and when I do open and close it, I have no problem closing GIMP
[05:27] <mrj> could someone give me a tip
[05:27] <scanwinder> what benchmark app should i use?
[05:27] <mrj> tipp :)
[05:27] <mrj> why is my wireless so slow
[05:28] <mrj> it is supposed to be IEEE 802.11 bg
[05:28] <mrj> and should support 54 MB/s
[05:28] <gan|y|med> hi
[05:28] <mrj> as my router supports it too i can not understand why am i having a slow connection
[05:29] <MattyMatt> i've just rebooted with all my drives attached. is there a quick way to auto detect & populate fstab & mtab?
[05:29] <Sikon> there's one more problem: when I'm running Xgl, CPU-intensive operations slow down display operations
[05:29] <scanwinder> im using -amd64-k8 kernel, that should be right for athlon64 3600+ X2 yeah?
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> no clue :P
[05:30] <MattyMatt> scanwinder: yeah
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Im too poor for fancy things like that
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:30] <Sikon> actually, AMD64 systems are pretty cheap
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Im still paying off my last systems :P
[05:30] <Sikon> although if "X2" means dual-core, it's probably expensive
[05:31] <MattyMatt> core2 6300 isn't too pricey either.
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> I got a amd64 2.5 ghz box now
[05:31] <scanwinder> its not that pricy
[05:31] <BluesKaj> yup, paid 600cdn for my compaq-presario sr1734x
[05:31] <scanwinder> it cost like $150 AUD
[05:31] <Sikon> how much is this in USD?
[05:32] <Sikon> or euros
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> Pesos!
[05:32] <BluesKaj> what cdn ?
[05:32] <scanwinder> um like a little under $100
[05:32] <scanwinder> USD
[05:32] <BluesKaj> for the cpu ?
[05:32] <scanwinder> ya
[05:32] <BluesKaj> or for the whole box ?
[05:32] <BluesKaj> ok
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> seen those AMD 1750 cpus with a system for like $150 us. :P
[05:32] <Sikon> hmm, indeed, this is rather cheap for a CPU
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> but thats not much of a cpu.
[05:33] <Sikon> (I think)
[05:33] <MattyMatt> s939 x2 have been scarce lately
[05:33] <BluesKaj> 2ghz 64bit is a nice cpu ...works well
[05:33] <Sikon> I, for one, don't get that dual-core trend
[05:33] <BluesKaj> stays cool , no need for silly noisy fans
[05:33] <scanwinder> oh no its actually like $120
[05:33] <scanwinder> USD
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> actually linux at least makes good use of the extra cores and other  nice bits. :P
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> I wonder how well vmware supports the extra cores.. Id hope they use them to the fullest it can.
[05:34] <scanwinder> heh, the exchange rate used to be like half when converting to USD
[05:34] <MattyMatt> you need to enable SMD support in the kernel (no idea how)
[05:34] <Sikon> isn't it enabled in Ubuntu by default?
[05:34] <scanwinder> whats smd?
[05:34] <MattyMatt> nfi
[05:34] <BluesKaj> the kubuntu 64bit distro was a disappointment for me so I switched to the 32bit and it runs all programs nicely so far
[05:35] <Sikon> I didn't even try it
[05:35] <BluesKaj> don't bother Sikon
[05:35] <Sikon> I'm running the 32-bit edition on an Athlon 64 2800+
[05:35] <samuele_> Hi Everybody
[05:35] <samuele_> i'm italian
[05:35] <MattyMatt> SMP I meant. Symmetrical Multi Processor.  in other words support for dual core
[05:35] <Healot> it is dissapointing, only noobs can't work out 64-bit distros :)
[05:35] <BluesKaj> right Sikon, stick with that
[05:36] <scanwinder> anyway i must sleep now, gotta go2 school at 7:30 and its 11:30 at the moment
[05:36] <scanwinder> cya
[05:36] <Hawkwind> All you have to do is install an SMP kernel.  It's already built into it
[05:36] <Sikon> I know what SMP means, but isn't it enabled by default?
[05:36] <BluesKaj> some progs just won't run Healot
[05:36] <samuele_> i'm looking for someone who will help me with kubuntu...and excuse me for my english ehgehe
[05:36] <BluesKaj> noobs or not
[05:37] <Healot> there are always ways to work thing out
[05:37] <Sikon> I do use Windows XP x64 Edition, though, and I find it more reliable than the 32-bit one
[05:37] <allee> Hi, when adding amarok-stable from kubuntu.org to sources.list, aptitude complains: amarok: Depends: libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0) which is a virtual package
[05:37] <v3ctor> !it
[05:37] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[05:37] <allee> and apt-get: libvisual-0.4-0 (>= 0.4.0) but it is not installable
[05:37] <samuele_> grazie ubotu
[05:37] <Healot> for people who aren't willing to learn, I can't say much to them
[05:37] <Sikon> !windows
[05:37] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[05:37] <Sikon> LOL
[05:37] <allee> what's the correct workaround to update amarok
[05:38] <Sikon> can't you just download the libvisual deb?
[05:38] <BluesKaj> Sikon, my pc came with 64bit edition
[05:38] <Sikon> bypassing APT
[05:38] <Healot> !amaraok
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amaraok - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <Sikon> !amarok
[05:38] <ubotu> amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 and packages are available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org
[05:38] <Healot> !amarok
[05:38] <Jucato> allee: do you have dapper-backports enabled?
[05:38] <Sikon> meh, I will never buy a computer that is shipped with Windows
[05:38] <BluesKaj> amarok 1.4.3 is stuck in dependency limbo !
[05:39] <allee> Jucato: no, just added kde-stable, koffice-stable, amarok-stalbe.  No problem with 1st two
[05:39] <Sikon> !xgl
[05:39] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:39] <Jucato> allee: you need dapper-backports enabled for Amarok 1.4.3. It's in the instructions for it on Kubuntu.org
[05:40] <BluesKaj> Sikon, ever heard of reformatting ? :)
[05:40] <allee> Jucato: oh, me hides in shame.
[05:40] <Sikon> I WILL NEVER GIVE A PENNY TO MICROSOFT
[05:40] <allee> Jucato: thx.
[05:40] <Jucato> allee: no need to. you got those repos from source-o-matic?
[05:40] <BluesKaj> yeah sure
[05:40] <Sikon> it isn't about reformatting, of course I delete preinstalled copies of Windows
[05:40] <Sikon> and "rescue" partitions
[05:41] <Sikon> and give away the keys to random people
[05:41] <gan|y|med> gimp users here (i have tried #gimp!) - could you help me out (we can meet in a chat, so that we do not pollute the channel)???
[05:41] <allee> Jucato: no.  Just looked what's new in kubuntu.org/packages
[05:41] <Jucato> ah.. :)
[05:41] <Sikon> gan|y|med> I use GIMP on Kubuntu
[05:41] <allee> Jucato: I had assumed that they are self contained
[05:41] <Jucato> allee: not for this release, though
[05:41] <BluesKaj> oh aren't we the dedicated clean linux purist eh , Sikon :)
[05:41] <Dr_Willis> Heh - checking out KDE 3.5.4 - on Suse 10, with vmware. :P
[05:42] <Sikon> no, I just use pirated Windows :)
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> vmware is nifty .
[05:42] <allee> Jucato: Are there plans to fix the deps?  Adding right libvisual to amarok-stable?
[05:42] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: SUSE is surprisingly fast on that VMWare image...
[05:42] <BluesKaj> don't we all , sooner or later ?
[05:42] <BluesKaj> bbiab , chores to do
[05:42] <gan|y|med> is the an ubuntu package for SeaMonkey?
[05:43] <gan|y|med> Sikon: yes, thx
[05:43] <Jucato> allee: probably not, since it's already in dapper-backports...
[05:43] <gan|y|med> Sikon:  have a layer, slightly devreased opacity, light yellow. over it is a transparent one with dask yellow, sprayed lines. i wanna blur this layer, but everytime i use gaussion blur the layer becomes extremely dark... why this?
[05:43] <gan|y|med> r
[05:43] <Sikon> aargh
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  yea.. i was suprized at that as well.. its.. well.. useable on this syttem!
[05:43] <DaSkreech> Sikon: Try VRMS? :)
[05:43] <gan|y|med> a
[05:43] <Jucato> :)
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  wonder how useable it would be if i did a real install.
[05:43] <Sikon> I'm not really an experienced GIMP users
[05:44] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: heh... I'm not sure... I don't have 5 CD's to spare just to find out :D
[05:44] <gan|y|med> anybody else???
[05:44] <Hawkwind> gan|y|med: Not that I am aware, no seamonkey for Kubuntu
[05:44] <Jucato> gan|y|med: AFAIK, no...
[05:44] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: No Seamonkey. It's shameful it is
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Where did you get the SuSe 10.1 ISO ?
[05:44] <Jucato> Hawkwind: from one of the KDE devs
[05:44] <Sikon> gan|y|med> doesn't SeaMonkey have an official binary like Firefox does?
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  i got the vmware/kde/suse image off some web site.
[05:44] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I'd like to try it to check out the new menu stuff
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> yea what Jucato  said. :P
[05:45] <gan|y|med> yes, just asking. you know - better stick to what is official
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Jucato: How can I obtain it ?
[05:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: err.. SUSE 10.1, not 10.2
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> what new menu stuff? :P im just looking around and aint noticed much differance yet.
[05:45] <gan|y|med> and there might be automagic updates :)
[05:45] <Jucato> Hawkwind: the kickoff menu will be in 10.2
[05:45] <allee> Jucato: well, I not sure backports is a good idea,  but lemme try first.  See you on #kubuntu-devel ;)
[05:45] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ah.....well how can I obtain the 10.1 ISO ?
[05:45] <Sikon> meh, I use the official Firefox and Thunderbird builds because they have those cool logos :)
[05:46] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ISO? that's 5 CD's (or 1 DVD)
[05:46] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: you need to sell your soul to the big pointy-horned dude first
[05:46] <lupine_85> OpenSuSE--
[05:46] <Jucato> Hawkwind: vmware image is from here: http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/
[05:46] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Whatever I need to install it in vmware :P
[05:46] <dhq> hey all
[05:46] <DaSkreech> lupine_85: PHB?
[05:46] <DaSkreech> hi dhq
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> i got a vmware IMAGE file. :)     http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> dident have to isntall.
[05:47] <Jucato> allee: I think the reason libvisual is in dapper-backports because Amarok 1.4.2 is in dapper-backports, and the use the same version of libvisual, AFAIK
[05:47] <Sikon> I have VMWare workstation, if you need any image files, I can upload them somewhere
[05:47] <milco> i got a http://www.hellion.org.uk/public_key.asc i would like to add to my allow list of apt-get
[05:47] <milco> how can i do this?
[05:47] <dhq> thanx for all your help i got kubuntu runnung when it was all screwed and now working A ok  without a fresh install thankx to all and ofcourse to me
[05:47] <DaSkreech> dhq: Go me!!
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> i need to track down a windows95 vmware image.. easier then installing. the cd's i got.
[05:47] <DaSkreech> ;-)
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> lol
[05:48] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Jucato: Thank you both for the link
[05:48] <dhq> DaSkreech: thanx :)
[05:48] <Jucato> Hawkwind: it was Dr_Willis who gave the other link :)
[05:48] <lupine_85> hmm. does the vmware player in the repos have kernel module sources?
[05:48] <allee> Jucato: thx for the info
[05:48] <dhq> Dr_Willis: Jucato :)
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> I installed the vmware server. :P and it had to compile the module
[05:48] <Healot> !build > Dr_Willis
[05:49] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Hah, so it was.  Thanks Dr_Willis
[05:49] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: yeah... then I ran into a message that I need to renew something in order to be able to make new VMWare images...
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Healot,  since i allready got it isntalled.. :P  i knew how to build it.
[05:49] <Jucato> to this day, I  still don't know what happened... I just removed it...
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  the server lets you make images.. they want you to fill out some forms to get a serial #
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> not sure why they bother.
[05:50] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: but I did that the first time...
[05:54] <surfacing> Hi, where can i find the things which i've installed from adapt?
[05:55] <Sikon> depends
[05:55] <Sikon> what did you install?
[05:55] <Jucato> surfacing: what did you install?
[05:55] <Jucato> :)
[05:55] <surfacing> Firefox and Superkaramba
[05:55] <Sikon> Firefox is under "Internet" in the main menu
[05:55] <surfacing> nope -.-
[05:56] <dhq> during boot my dhcp server fails
[05:56] <Jucato> surfacing: in the K Menu. if programs you installed don't automatically appear in K Menu, enter this command in Konsole "kbuildsycoca --incremental" (ignore error messages)
[05:56] <Stardog_> just log in and out... and then the icon will apear there
[05:57] <dhq> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart                                  {failed}
[05:57] <lupine_85> bah. ./vmware-configure.pl: "The kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same address space size as your running kernel"
[05:57] <Stardog_> i dont know the kde version of kill all ...panel
[05:57] <Jucato> Stardog_: the command I gave was so that you won't have to do that
[05:57] <Jucato> Stardog_: "dcop kicker kicker restart" would be better instead of just killing it...
[05:57] <lupine_85> I remember having this issue the last time i installed vmware-player, and there was a patch to get it to compile... anyone know where it is?
[05:58] <surfacing> i try login/out see ya in a few minutes
[05:58] <Stardog_> Jucato: hehehe... haha... just used to gnome... :p
[05:58] <Jucato> :)
[05:58] <Sikon> surfacing> and SuperKaramba should be in Utilities
[05:58] <Jucato> sigh... he didn't even try what I said...
[05:59] <surfacing> ok firefox works
[05:59] <dhq> during boot my dhcp server fails
[05:59] <Jucato> surfacing: next time, you might want to try out the command I gave, so you wouldn't have to log out
[06:00] <draik> Jucato, I listen to you... but only when it's in english and it makes sense
[06:00] <surfacing> Jucato:  this one with the error message?
[06:00] <Stardog_> does anyone know of a "reinstall-command" for cups?
[06:00] <Jucato> surfacing: yes. the one that I told you to ignore the error messages
[06:00] <Stardog_> or the printer UI
[06:01] <Jucato> surfacing: "kbuildsycoca --incremental"
[06:03] <Sikon> hmm, SuperKaramba sounds fun
[06:03] <Sikon> except for one thing
[06:03] <Jucato> it is fun! :)
[06:03] <Sikon> Show Desktop hides all widgets
[06:03] <Jucato> Sikon: really? that doesn't happen with me...
[06:03] <highneko> I've never intalled a deb file before. How's this done?!
[06:04] <Sikon> well, I have Xgl
[06:04] <Jucato> aah
[06:04] <Sikon> and Compiz
[06:04] <draik> sudo dpkg -i filenme.deb
[06:04] <draik> highneko ^^
[06:04] <Vliegendehuiskat> anyone in here having trouble with amarok?
[06:05] <Kiruwa> I am :)
[06:05] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what kind of problem?
[06:05] <Vliegendehuiskat> well somethings seems to be breaking it
[06:05] <Vliegendehuiskat> in the pakage manager
[06:06] <Kiruwa> although I suspect you meant to ask "has nyone here solved a problem with amarok recently?" :)
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> could be to?
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> has there been an update or something?
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> than I know I can get an older version
[06:06] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what are you trying to do with Amarok?
[06:06] <Vegeta^> Where or how can I disable systembip in KDE?
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> installing it :p
[06:06] <Vliegendehuiskat> through adept
[06:06] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what version are you trying to install?
[06:06] <jess>
[06:07] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: btw, if you're using Kubuntu, it's already installed
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> 2:1.4.3-0ubuntu1~dapper1
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> yes i know
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> but that update broke it
[06:07] <Kiruwa> I had to play with it to get mp3 support working...
[06:07] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: you have to enable dapper-backports
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> so i'm trying to reinstall
[06:07] <Stardog_> does anyone know of a "reinstall-command" for cups?
[06:07] <Vliegendehuiskat> are on
[06:07] <Kiruwa> (just worked, btw)
[06:08] <Kiruwa> woot... and amarok is correctly playing a random file out of my 38,000 track collection :)
[06:09] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: hm.. that's strange indeed. at least, not normal...
[06:09] <Kiruwa> had to install libxine-extracodecs, amarok-engines, amarok-xine, and gstreamer0.8-mad (some combination of those worked) :)
[06:09] <lupine_85> found it: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update104.tar.gz
[06:09] <Jucato> Kiruwa: actually, only libxine-extracodecs was needed.
[06:10] <Healot__> :-
[06:11] <Vliegendehuiskat> hm
[06:11] <Vliegendehuiskat> dammn
[06:11] <Vliegendehuiskat> somehow my backports line in sources.list is fucked up
[06:11] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: that could be the /root of the problem
[06:11] <Jucato> omg! did I just type /root???
[06:12] <Vliegendehuiskat> dunno
[06:12] <Vliegendehuiskat> trying it now
[06:12] <Kiruwa> lol
[06:12] <Jucato> :)
[06:12] <draik> This is the error I get when booting:   Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[06:12] <draik> anyone know what would cause that?
[06:12] <Vliegendehuiskat> but I don't get it that file can't be changed right out of the way
[06:13] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what can't be changed right out of the way?
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> its majorly confused draik  about somthing.
[06:13] <Vliegendehuiskat> it can't be changed
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> perhaps grub/kernel is looking for the wrong root, or initrd, or other files
[06:13] <draik> Dr_Willis, what should I be looking for?
[06:13] <Vliegendehuiskat> seems to got corrupted or something
[06:13] <Vliegendehuiskat> I can't read anything of it anymore
[06:13] <Healot__> draik: read us the line before that :-
[06:13] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: what file can't be changed?
[06:13] <Stardog_> does anyone know of a "reinstall-command" for cups?
[06:13] <lupine_85> maybe try passing init=/sbin/init as a kernel parameter?
[06:13] <Stardog_> or the printer UI
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> source.list can be changed
[06:14] <draik> Healot__ ok, one sec
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> but it can't change on its own will
[06:14] <lupine_85> Stardog_: apt-get install --reinstall <appropriate-package> ?
[06:14] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: of course it can't. It's a file owned by root.
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> yup
[06:14] <Vliegendehuiskat> but it did go corrupt
[06:14] <draik> First off, I resized my partition from 20GB to 120GB
[06:15] <draik> Here is the issue I got...
[06:15] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: did you use something like automatix or easyubuntu or source-o-matic?
[06:15] <lupine_85> :/
[06:15] <draik> mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory
[06:15] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, explain why you think you think your sources.list is corrupt
[06:15] <draik> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 2, error -71
[06:15] <draik> run-init: /sbin/init: error 2
[06:16] <giardino> hello. do someone remember the name of the prog that do effects on ubuntu..... like u move your desktop  in a 3d way... like a box and more things like that?
[06:16] <draik> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[06:16] <draik> That's all the error
[06:16] <Vliegendehuiskat> mentro, because its all blur of text
[06:16] <Vliegendehuiskat> it makes no sense anymore
[06:16] <Vliegendehuiskat> thats why i think that is
[06:16] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: can you pastebin the contents? (use pastebin)
[06:16] <Jucato> !pastebin
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> giardino,  you mean the XGL system thats being worked on?
[06:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:16] <lupine_85> !xgl > giardino
[06:17] <draik> Dr_Willis Healot That's my issue
[06:17] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, rebuild it then
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> rebuilding it
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> sorry to late for pastebin
[06:17] <Healot> how did you resize the partitions?
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> but i know how that could've happend
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory  ----- >its not finding where to put ' / '       or / is currupted
[06:17] <Vliegendehuiskat> my kate crashed shortly after pushing save on that file
[06:18] <draik> Dr_Willis's method... I deleted the partitions and then made it one huge partition
[06:18] <Jucato> Vliegendehuiskat: probably.
[06:18] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, maybe your editor left a sources.list~ file as backup, go check
[06:18] <draik> Dr_Willis, is there a way to fix /?
[06:18] <Vliegendehuiskat> yup it did :p
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> draik,  removing a partition will 'reorder' the drives from grubs point of view..  hd1,0 and hd1,1 just became hd1,0 (for example)
[06:18] <mentro> Vliegendehuiskat, there you go
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> boot a live cd.. fix the grub entry.. or use the 'e' to edit the grub line and put in the right place for / to be
[06:19] <draik> Dr_Willis, right. I kept it that way
[06:19] <draik> I kept the hda5 for swap and hda6 for /
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> if grub was looking for hd1,1 befor. its now wanting hd0,1
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> grub 'names' the drives differently then hda, hdb and so on.
[06:19] <draik> it will load GRUB
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> whatever partition it sees first becomes hd0
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> and ive learned my grub-fu the long hard way. :P with lots of reading
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> what does 'sudo fdisk -l'  show now?
[06:21] <Vliegendehuiskat> fixed
[06:21] <draik> fsck 1.38 (30-Jun-2005)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> root            (hd1,0)
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hdc1 ro nosplash nofb
[06:22] <Dr_Willis>  that root (hd1,0) (my example) may need to be changed.. and the root=/dev/whatever may also need to be changed.
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> You can change these on the fly from the GRUB boot menu 'hit e' to edit the lines
[06:23] <Vliegendehuiskat> thanx all i'm out again
[06:24] <draik> Dr_Willis, what should I be looking for in fdisk?
[06:25] <Healot> your soul, draik, hehe
[06:25] <draik> Healot :)  sold it long time ago
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> draik,  see where the drives are numbered at now
[06:25] <draik> I have 3 HDD
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> and then check the grub menus to be sure they are pointing to the right places
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> i got 6 hdd's on this box. :P
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> your point is? :P
[06:26] <mentro> i got 1 hd and a floppy
[06:26] <draik> Dr_Willis, I don't see any hd0, hd1, hd2 anywhere
[06:26] <Healot> you geek, Dr_Willis :)
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> draik,  ok.. rember this... GRUB 'enumerates/names/calls' the drives Totally differently then how Linux does.. you Must  understand the mapping. of what drive becomes what in grub.
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> THis is the core of your problem.
[06:27] <draik> ok
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> If you removed 'hdb' from linux box.. hd2 THEN becomes hd1
[06:27] <draik> so open /boot/grub/device.map ?
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> by removeing a partition, hd0,1 (for example) would become hd0,0
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> check whats in device.map it should show what it thinks the mappings are.
[06:28] <draik> well, I just resized everything, and kept partitions where they belong
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> you said you merged 2 partitions
[06:29] <cho> hi..my ubuntu dapper doesn't play sound since today
[06:29] <cho> until yesterday it worked perfectly
[06:30] <cho> any idea ?
[06:30] <DexterF> hi
[06:30] <draik> What I did was shorten hda1 (which is winxp) and then the unknown I left alone while I deleted my other partition... which I then created as 3GB swap (was 2GB) and now 120GB / (was 20GB)
[06:30] <draik> (hd0)	/dev/hda
[06:30] <draik> (hd1)	/dev/hdb
[06:30] <draik> (hda2)	/dev/sda
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> if you created a new partition , that moved the others 'back' one position.
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> where is your / supposed to be at?
[06:31] <draik> I kept hda5 as swap and hda6 as /
[06:31] <draik> hda6
[06:32] <cho> [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[06:32] <cho> [AO SDL]  Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le
[06:32] <cho> [AO SDL]  Unable to open audio: No available audio device
[06:32] <cho> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[06:32] <cho> [AO ESD]  esd_open_sound failed: Connection reset by peer
[06:32] <cho> mcop warning: user defined signal handler found for SIG_PIPE, overriding
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> so hdb and sda are just data drives?
[06:32] <DexterF> talked a friend into giving kub a shot, now he's stuck at wifi: netgear 511, china version. can someone tell for sure if that card works via ndiswrapper?
[06:32] <draik> yup
[06:32] <Healot> !paste > cho
[06:32] <Jucato> cho: are you using Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:32] <lupine_85> DexterF: it should do
[06:32] <draik> hdb should also be bootable Kubuntu, but it won't... so I just use it as storage
[06:32] <cho> Jucato: kubuntu
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> draik,  so your  root            (hd0,0)      line is most likely incorrect.  not the kernel= line.
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> draik,  now check what order hda is in with 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda'
[06:34] <draik> hda1 HPFS/NTFS
[06:34] <lupine_85> DexterF: you could have v2 or v3 they're both referenced here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[06:34] <draik> hda2 W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[06:35] <draik> hda5 Linux swap / Solaris
[06:35] <draik> hda6 Linux
[06:35] <draik> hda1 is boot
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> hda1 cant be boot... since its a ntfs partition
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> or ya mean root. :P
[06:36] <draik> change it to hda6?
[06:36] <draik> nope, it's got    *      under   'Boot'
[06:36] <Healot> i apologize once again, I am not in love :)
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> draik,  so i THINK you need ------------->   root            (hd0,5)
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> draik,  kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hda6
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> in the future - its much easier to just allocate a whole hard drive for linux. :P
[06:37] <Jucato> heh
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> and just use primary partitions. :P
[06:38] <draik> how do I change that?
[06:39] <draik> I can't properly view /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-686
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> You edit your grub menus
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> the /boot/grub/menu.lst - OR edit the grub command line at boot time
[06:40] <milco> what is the hotplug folder on kubuntu?
[06:40] <draik> I have my /boot/grub/menu.lst open
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> and you just need to worry about the  hd(X,X) stuff, dont chante the other things
[06:40] <Jucato> hotplug folder? media:/ ??
[06:40] <draik> what do I change?
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> find the first kernel entry.. what does it have for root and kernel=
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> also for a start.. find
[06:42] <StR> I can not connect to  MSN with kopete... anyone else with the same problem?
[06:42] <draik> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-686 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash
[06:42] <lupine_85> StR: lots of people seem to be having that problem,
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> hiddenmenu   and Comment it out with #hidemenu  so you will see the menu entries at boot p.
[06:42] <lupine_85> what version of Kopete are you using?
[06:43] <StR> lupine_85: what about you?
[06:43] <sorush20> hi guys what is a good utility for shredding data/
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> draik,  so that line looks fine.. and above it you got a   ---> root  ( ) line.
[06:43] <lupine_85> I can connect fine
[06:43] <lupine_85> sorush20: wipe
[06:44] <milco> hotplug
[06:44] <draik> yup
[06:44] <sorush20> I just think I commited credit card fraud.. for 5.99
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:44] <lupine_85> lol
[06:44] <lupine_85> the horror
[06:44] <milco> what is the hotplug folder on kubuntu?
[06:44] <draik> root (hd0,5)
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> draik,  did you add or remove a partition?  i forget now.
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> i would guess ya want a hd0,4, or hd0,6
[06:45] <draik> neither really, just resize
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> you shrunk what down?
[06:45] <draik> hda1
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> and you expanded hda2 ?
[06:46] <draik> before  |-------------hda1------------------|-----hda5-----|-------hda6------------------|
[06:46] <draik> after  |------hda1----------|--------hda5--------|-----------------hda6------------------|
[06:47] <draik> I don't see any hda2, hda3 or hda4
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> where did  hda2 W95 Ext'd (LBA) come from then you mentioned earlier>?
[06:47] <draik> fdisk -l
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> You can have 4 praimary partitions. hda1 through hda4, hda5 and 6 are  logical partitions inside an  extended partition..
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> My GUESS is that you need to use  root (hd0,4) or 3, or 6,
[06:48] <draik> I still don't see any hda3 or 4
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> increase the menu timeout in that grub menu   ------>   timeout         35
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> and UNhide the thing.    ---->   #hiddenmenu
[06:50] <Dr_Willis>  then when ya reboot.. look at what command line/root optons its using and edit them (hit the E key.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis>  and try changing the root (hd0,X) numbers till ya find one that works. :P then when it boots edit the grub config to make it permenet
[06:50] <kepa13> hola
[06:50] <kepa13> hi
[06:50] <kepa13> probe kubuntu
[06:51] <kepa13> hi marina
[06:51] <draik> hda1 = hd0,0   correct?
[06:51] <draik> so then hda6 = hd0,5    right?
[06:51] <kepa13> arrivedrci
[06:51] <Jucato> yep
[06:51] <kepa13> hi jacki
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> draik,  im not sure if grub numbers swap or not..  :P
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> E = edit
[06:53] <draik> so it will do it for me... ok
[06:53] <jacky_> parler vous franais
[06:53] <draik> so I just hit E
[06:53] <BluesKaj> !.fr
[06:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> then edit the lines.. then hit 'b' to boot it.
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> or enter. :P
[06:54] <draik> perfect
[06:54] <draik> will do that now
[06:54] <draik> Thank you Dr_Willis
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> which is what i would of done in the first place. :P     but im special.
[07:00] <redubuntu> espaol
[07:00] <BluesKaj> !es
[07:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:02] <milco> wohoooooooooo i made it :) [17187307.416000]  ivtv0: Initialized WinTV PVR 150, card #0
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> http://www.ulteo.com/main/wiki/      - gotta love a 'new' disrto that dont even state whats so new about it. :)
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> and the wiki is totally open for anyone to post anything. :P
[07:04] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: so is our wiki, btw
[07:04] <Jucato> all you need is to register
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  ya dont even need to register on theirs. :P
[07:04] <Jucato> ah I see....
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> which suprised me.. on the FAQ page.. which was blank.. i put ' Ok.. so what is it" :)
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> perhaps someone will spend 10 min and put some real INFO on their site
[07:05] <BluesKaj> Hawkwind, is that you in the ulteo forums ?
[07:05] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ...
[07:06] <lupine_85> seems fairly comprehensive - it's an easy-for-computer-illiterates Linux distro
[07:06] <BluesKaj> yup, looks like it's the Hawkwind we all know :)
[07:06] <Jucato> yes he is
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> i just heard mention of ulteo  and cant find any real info on it.. yet.
[07:06] <Jucato> btw, Ulteo is based on Kubuntu.
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> still looking
[07:06] <ubuntu_> #kubuntu-fr
[07:06] <BluesKaj> have u tried the distro , Jucato ?
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> its a fork of a fork of a fork!
[07:06] <Jucato> BluesKaj: nope. not yet
[07:06] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: err... kubuntu is not a fork
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> its a spork!
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:07] <milco> ive got a tv card installed using a ivtv driver, its all setup well :)
[07:07] <BluesKaj> http://www.ulteo.com/main/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=da571f86bb6470ade5692c4626f3e33e
[07:07] <Jucato> Kubuntu is still Ubuntu using a different desktop
[07:07] <milco> but what do i need to actually watch tv now, can anyone recommend me a good 'tv' client?
[07:07] <BluesKaj> kde
[07:07] <Jucato> BluesKaj: yep. that's him
[07:08] <milco> they should have called it gubuntu :+
[07:08] <BluesKaj> tvtime , as long as yer not using tvwonder pro , like m
[07:08] <BluesKaj> me
[07:08] <Jucato> milco: for historical reasons, it wasn't
[07:08] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Hah yeah just slightly that's me.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> did Mepis ever convert over and start using ubuntu stuff yet?
[07:08] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Yes
[07:08] <Gazza> hello again :)
[07:09] <BluesKaj> hey Hawkwind, what's diff between kubuntu and Ulteo ?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Ulteo isn't released yet
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind, mepis had a few neat things that ubuntu/kubuntu should.. borrow. :P
[07:09] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: it has.. for almost a few months
[07:09] <BluesKaj> yeah ok , Hawkwind, but my question still stands ?
[07:09] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I've never once looked at Mepis.  What do you think they should 'borrow' ?
[07:09] <Gazza> another question: which anti-virus software is recommended for kubuntu, and, how do i install it?
[07:09] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: it free open source software... everyone could borrow... but MEPIS doesn't release it's source code for free...
[07:10] <BluesKaj> milco, try TVTime
[07:10] <Jucato> well, not the way Ubuntu does...
[07:10] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: Ulteo is based on Kubuntu, and will have some really kewl stuff that no other distro has
[07:10] <halfbloodprince> hey, people!
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  their installer from the live cd. was very well done..and they had a few tools that configured the multi-headed displays nicely
[07:10] <milco> Jucato: i dont mind actually to be honest, i mean - i got a kgb-untu here :P
[07:10] <milco> :D
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  other then that.. it was trash :P lol
[07:10] <Hawkwind> BluesKaj: That's all I can say unfortunately as I'm not allowed to give out more information
[07:10] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Nice.  I'd love to see a distro configure TwinView during the initial install.  That would be awesome
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Yea. more  'sound and fury - signifing nothing' :P
[07:10] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: compared to how old Ubiquity is, I wouldn't be surprised that they're installer is better  in some ways
[07:11] <BluesKaj> sounds like it might be fun
[07:11] <lupine_85> Hawkwind: are all the cool GUI tools going to be GPL? Or is that restricted too? :)
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Ya would think by now - there would be some decent live cd installers out.
[07:11] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: That I don't know, though I'd assume GPL
[07:11] <Gazza> would anybody know which anti-virus software to recommend..?
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> hello there my werewolf friend
[07:12] <lupine_85> that's a fair number of acronyms ;)
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu/kubuntu had smarter people in the IRC rooms then the Mepis rooms. :P
[07:12] <lupine_85> hi halfbloodprince
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> how's it going?
[07:12] <lupine_85> http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/wlan-magick
[07:12] <lupine_85> ok
[07:12] <lupine_85> playing with vmware right now
[07:12] <halfbloodprince> ah
[07:12] <BluesKaj> you guys use antivirus in kubuntu ?
[07:12] <BluesKaj> !antivirus
[07:12] <ubotu> antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> BluesKaj,  nope. :P
[07:13] <lupine_85> BlueSkaj: I've got clamav on my SMTP server... that's it really
[07:13] <Gazza> wow! i didn't know that :)
[07:13] <lupine_85> don't AVG have a linux client?
[07:13] <Gazza> does this mean that spyware, is also a thing of the past?
[07:13] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: My kubuntu iso download is done 77%, so in a few hours, it'll be done 100%. Yay! I'll tell you guys before I start the installation for any last minute tips and all
[07:13] <surgy> hey guys
[07:13] <lupine_85> JavaScript spyware might work
[07:13] <_bender_> Hey all
[07:13] <lupine_85> most other spyware - BHOs, etc - won't
[07:13] <_bender_> And thought AVG had a linux client?
[07:14] <_bender_> Saw it on their site a day ago
[07:14] <Gazza> avg free?
[07:14] <_bender_> Yah
[07:14] <_bender_> I think so atleast
[07:14] <mentro> avg is sloow
[07:14] <_bender_> Yep free
[07:14] <mentro> :)
[07:15] <_bender_> and eh I like AVG :-p
[07:15] <surgy> anyone have a goo p2p software they whould recomend?
[07:15] <_bender_> boo it's only got them in RPM format
[07:15] <halfbloodprince> is that amule thing good?
[07:15] <dhq> at boot my dhcp server fails
[07:15] <dhq> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart                                  {failed}
[07:15] <mentro> i havent fscked around with av since the dawn of time really, just for my xp gamebox and that's it
[07:16] <_bender_> Same pretty much, I use AVG on XP but don't see much of a reason on Kubuntu
[07:16] <mentro> _bender_, yep
[07:16] <Gazza> how do i install .rpm extensions?
[07:16] <halfbloodprince> there are no adware/spyware threats on kubuntu?
[07:16] <lupine_85> not yet, really
[07:16] <Gazza> well then i take my question back :)
[07:17] <lupine_85> best to be prepared, though  - it'll show up eventually
[07:17] <_bender_> Common sense+avoiging bad appies
[07:17] <lupine_85> at that point, we'll know Kubuntu has truly matured :)
[07:17] <Gazza> heh :)
[07:17] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: what do you use for antivirus/spyware
[07:17] <_bender_> Yah preparation is good
[07:17] <lupine_85> just ClamAV on my SMTP server
[07:17] <_bender_> But think common sense=best defense sometimes :p
[07:17] <lupine_85> common sense elsewhere :)
[07:18] <Gazza> do torrent files work with linux?
[07:18] <_bender_> lol
[07:18] <mentro> the best av so far is fdisk
[07:18] <algabone> Gazza: use alein
[07:18] <mentro> Gazza, yep they do
[07:18] <Gazza> alein?
[07:18] <algabone> Gazza: alien, sorry
[07:18] <Gazza> lol
[07:19] <DaSkreech> StR: my friend can't connect to MSN with MSN so....
[07:19] <algabone> Gazza: :D. you can use it for install rpm or to convert rpm to deb
[07:19] <enzo_> as I boot into recovery mode, I get this error...          run-init: /sbin/init: error 2         any clues?
[07:19] <mentro> Gazza, if you're on kubuntu, ktorrent is there
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> i'm so happy kubuntu's installer fits in one cd
[07:19] <_bender_> Yah Kubuntu is great :D
[07:19] <algabone> Gazza: did you tried apt-get install alien ?
[07:19] <halfbloodprince> the f***ing suse linux installer was 5 cds
[07:19] <_bender_> Lest it doesn't BSOD on me again...><
[07:20] <Gazza> mentro: so it is :)
[07:20] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: lol
[07:21] <Gazza> can you get alien through adept?
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> seriously man.. i can't even think of downloading 5 cds worth of stuff on my 64k connection
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> i had to buy the cds
[07:21] <lupine_85> Gazza: yes
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> and then i wasn't happy with suse, so i removed it anyway
[07:21] <lupine_85> !info adept
[07:21] <ubotu> adept: package manager for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 3752 kB, installed size 10988 kB
[07:21] <lupine_85> erm
[07:21] <lupine_85> !info alien
[07:21] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.64 (dapper), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[07:21] <Gazza> i like this operating system L
[07:21] <lupine_85> yes, SuSE is nasty :(
[07:21] <halfbloodprince> have you tried it lupine?
[07:22] <Vegeta^> When installing a printer driver from Add Printer Wizard, durnig the Printer Model Selection, I get an error when I choose a model, which is something like "Unable to load the req. driver: Unab. to create the Foomatic driver [<name>] . Either that does not exist or u do not hav permission to perform that operation". How do I gain permission on this install? :S
[07:22] <_bender_> Ubotu: If you install an appy with dbpkg does it get indexed into Adept or does uninstalling=manual mumbo jumbo?
[07:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about If you install an appy with dbpkg does it get indexed into Adept or does uninstalling=manual mumbo jumbo? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:22] <Pio_> pio, can you please change your nick?
[07:22] <_bender_> lol
[07:22] <lupine_85> _bender_: it gets added to the DB
[07:23] <lupine_85> so you can see it in adept, etc
[07:23] <_bender_> ah kk :p
[07:23] <_bender_> ah nice
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> lupine_85: how would you rate your experiences with SuSE
[07:23] <_bender_> Since wasn't sure about that
[07:23] <lupine_85> -10 out of 10
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> haha
[07:23] <halfbloodprince> how do you think kubuntu is better than suse
[07:24] <surgy> sorry bout that
[07:24] <surgy> had to reset my firewall
[07:24] <lupine_85> just... cleaner
[07:24] <surgy> anyone have any recomendations for a p2p client?