[01:33] <makx> hmm infinity it's frustrating that you have to catch errors that were long fixed in the debian version
[01:34] <makx> i hope we can find a better way to sync
[09:40] <mhat> I suppose this is the right place for this question, if not let me know. I'm using nssldap, which has been working well for me for ~2yr now. With Edgy now have a problem where udevd wants to do something that requires libnss to talk tot he ldap server. Normally that would be fine except that dhcp appears to happen after udev -- so there's no network, no ldap, and the machine takes 2+8+16+32+64 extra seconds to boot.
[09:41] <mhat> one option is that I could have nssldap setup for soft bindings but that's specifically wrong anytime except during boot.
[09:48] <makx>   passwd:         files ldap [UNAVAIL=return]
[09:48] <makx>   group:          files ldap [UNAVAIL=return]
[09:49] <makx> mhat speaking of /etc/nsswitch.conf, hf
[09:50] <mhat> seems reasonable enough
[09:50] <makx> wtf no thanks :-P
[09:51] <mhat> ? oh ! ha, thanks
[09:54] <makx> hehe ok
[09:56] <mhat> would you happen to know which channel I should go to next for questions about how gnome/edgy decide a user is an admin? Being in admin(114) appears to not be sufficient, physically being in the group file seems to be required.
[09:56] <mhat> I suspect you can guess why this is an issue for me based on the last question. :)
[09:58] <mhat> I tried #ubuntu but I'm fairly sure I've been lost in the noise.


[02:13] <godbyk> If you look at the screenshots/en/03-window-buttons.png image, are those buttons in the correct order?
[02:13] <godbyk> (I've lost track of what the final appearance should be!)
[02:18] <humphreybc> final should be close, minimize, maximize
[02:29] <godbyk> bug 561868
[02:29] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 561868 in ubuntu-manual "wrong text" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561868
[02:33] <godbyk> Aha! I'm not insane!
[02:33] <godbyk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e/revision/766
[02:33] <godbyk> (Though I may have my branches all messed up; it's hard to say.)
[02:34] <godbyk> Could someone check their lucid-1e branch and see what this text says: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e/revision/766
[02:37] <godbyk> brb
[02:58] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[02:58] <godbyk> Hey, humphreybc
[02:58] <godbyk> humphreybc: can you check your lucid-1e branch and see what the around-desktop.tex file says: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e/revision/766
[03:08] <humphreybc> sure, in a sec
[03:08] <godbyk> I'm snagging a fresh copy of the lucid-e1 branch.
[03:09] <godbyk> I think for the second edition and maverick it might almost be best to create totally new branches and actually copy over what we want.
[03:09] <humphreybc> yeaqh
[03:09] <godbyk> that way there isn't this huge history filled with garbage (like the websites and other non-manual stuff)
[03:09] <humphreybc> that's probably a good idea
[03:24] <humphreybc> I'm looking at the around-desktop file
[03:25] <humphreybc> what do you need to know?
[03:25] <godbyk> the order of the window control buttons in the text.
[03:26] <humphreybc> "The close, minimize, and maximize buttons are on the top-left corner of windows."
[03:26] <humphreybc> that's highlighted in green
[03:30] <godbyk> weird.
[03:30] <godbyk> what's 'bzr info' say?
[03:33] <humphreybc> oh wait
[03:33] <humphreybc> I'm checking what it says in my local branch?
[03:33] <humphreybc> should I pull?
[03:37] <godbyk> yes and yes.
[03:37] <godbyk> I'm trying to figure out why my local branch has old text that I fixed eons ago.
[03:38] <humphreybc> okay, it may take ages to pull
[03:38] <godbyk> 'kay.
[03:38] <humphreybc> i'm just waiting for the rain to die away so i can go grocery shopping and get some food... didn't go yesterday
[03:39] <godbyk> ah
[03:39] <humphreybc> wow, bzr is going fast for a change
[03:40] <godbyk> really?  mine was super-slow
[03:41] <humphreybc> 12KB/s
[03:44] <humphreybc> they're wrong in my branch
[03:44] <humphreybc> rev 801
[03:44] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/801 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 801
[03:45] <humphreybc> right

[03:45] <godbyk> great.
[03:45] <humphreybc> rain's stopped, off to the supermarket
[03:46] <godbyk> any idea where it disappeared to?
[03:46] <godbyk> 'kay. see ya
[03:46] <humphreybc> shouldn't the branch be lucid-e2?
[03:46] <godbyk> I fixed it in e1 a couple weeks ago
[03:47] <godbyk> now I'm worried the translators may be translating the wrong string or something.
[03:47] <humphreybc> weird. So lucid-e1 is the branch for the 2nd edition?
[03:47] <godbyk> too many branches and stuff. I'm all confused these days.
[03:47] <godbyk> no, no.
[03:47] <humphreybc> coz ubuntu-manual is the branch for the current release
[03:47] <humphreybc> oh
[03:47] <godbyk> lucid-e1 should be the branch for the first edition.
[03:47] <humphreybc> ohhhhhh
[03:47] <godbyk> lucid-e2 is the second edition
[03:47] <godbyk> maverick is 10.10
[03:47] <humphreybc> and what's ubuntu-manual?
[03:47] <godbyk> frak if I know.
[03:47] <humphreybc> sandpit?
[03:47] <humphreybc> lol
[03:48] <godbyk> it used to be set to lucid-e1, but I think someone changed it recently, maybe.
[03:48] <godbyk> I don't really know.
[03:48] <godbyk> bzr frightens and confuses me!
[03:48] <humphreybc> me too!
[03:48] <humphreybc> you'll work it out
[03:48] <godbyk> I'm hoping someone else works it out for me. :-)
[03:48] <godbyk> I don't want to have to figure out what's gone missing.
[03:48] <godbyk> I'm tired.
[03:48] <humphreybc> lol
[03:48] <humphreybc> whinge whinge :P
[03:49] <godbyk> I'm just trying to make it look pretty before it gets shipped off.
[03:49] <godbyk> :)
[03:49] <humphreybc> watch out or thorwil will come in here and accuse you of being an 8 year old
[03:52]  * godbyk stomps his feet.
[03:54] <humphreybc> bollocks it's started raining again
[03:54] <humphreybc> why can no one make decent google chrome themes?
[03:55] <godbyk> good question
[03:55] <humphreybc> DOCKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy
[03:55] <humphreybc> STOP CRASHING
[03:56] <humphreybc> okay
[03:57]  * humphreybc continues adding work items
[04:02] <godbyk> stop making more work! :)
[04:02] <humphreybc> :P
[04:08] <godbyk> humphreybc: who's our bzr expert?
[04:08] <humphreybc> um
[04:08] <humphreybc> you? dutchie?
[04:09] <humphreybc> what feedback do we want from the 1st edition?
[04:09] <godbyk> not me. :)
[04:10] <godbyk> I'm trying to track down where the changes I made (about the window controls) went.
[04:11] <humphreybc> lol
[04:11] <humphreybc> ask in #bzr
[04:11] <humphreybc> ;)
[04:14] <godbyk> I think it may be more of a launchpad thing.
[04:15] <humphreybc> ask in #launchpad then :)
[04:16] <godbyk> so when I run 'bzr branch lp:lucid-e1' it pulls from ubuntu-manual/main.  but that change was made in ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e.
[04:16] <godbyk> I don't know what that means. :-/
[04:16] <humphreybc> lol
[04:18] <humphreybc> do you think i've covered all the blueprints?
[04:21] <godbyk> karma whore! :)
[04:21] <humphreybc> hahaha
[04:21] <humphreybc> nah but seriously, I need to make sure i've got everything so I can assign people and lay down the work items early, then everyone knows what's happening
[04:32] <humphreybc> im giving thorwil some work, think he'll mind?
[04:34] <godbyk> Depends on how busy he is and if it's under his purview.
[04:34] <humphreybc> lol
[04:35] <godbyk> brb.. need snackage
[04:35] <humphreybc> you're american. what do twinkies taste like?
[04:50] <godbyk> I'm back.
[04:50] <godbyk> Wow. I haven't had a Twinkie in ages!
[04:50] <godbyk> Well the cake bit is quite spongy. Kind of like angel food cake, but a lot more processed.
[04:51] <godbyk> I'm not sure how to describe the taste. I haven't had one in years.
[04:52] <humphreybc> heh
[04:59]  * humphreybc is finding loads of work to make into blueprints
[05:03] <humphreybc> this is cool
[05:03] <humphreybc> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+assignments
[05:03] <humphreybc> shows us how much work we have to do :P
[05:08] <humphreybc> godbyk, where was that pad that I created yesterday, it had the stuff we were going to put on the back cover
[05:09] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/CCWkwXmebw
[05:09] <humphreybc> thankee :)
[05:13]  * humphreybc might get that 50,000 karma in the next few days haha
[05:13] <humphreybc> godbyk, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/back-cover-lucid
[05:14] <godbyk> blueprints are way overrated, karma-wise.
[05:14] <humphreybc> i know
[05:14] <humphreybc> we should be using whiteboards on blueprints more often now, instead of etherpad
[05:14] <humphreybc> then we won't lose all the pads
[05:15] <humphreybc> or at least link to an etherpad in the whiteboard
[05:16] <godbyk> probably
[05:16] <godbyk> but the real-time collaboration is nice on the pads
[05:17] <humphreybc> oh wtf
[05:17] <humphreybc> https://launchpad.net/~pitti
[05:17] <humphreybc> 106,000 karma
[05:17] <humphreybc> wait
[05:18] <godbyk> no, 1 million+ karma
[05:18] <humphreybc> yeah
[05:18] <humphreybc> wtf
[05:19] <hemanth> zomg!
[05:19]  * hemanth on fedora as no network on lucid after upgrade :(
[05:19] <godbyk> The vast majority of it is earned for Soyuz -- whatever that is.
[05:19] <humphreybc> lol
[05:20] <humphreybc> secret Canonical moon base?
[05:20] <godbyk> https://launchpad.net/soyuz
[05:21] <humphreybc> ah ha
[05:23] <humphreybc> should I assign dutchie to the custom bug reporting form?
[05:24] <godbyk> either him or me, I s'pose.
[05:24] <humphreybc> i stuck him
[05:24] <humphreybc> he's only got 2 blueprints
[05:26] <godbyk> k
[05:26] <godbyk> we should have a bug reporting form online by the time we've released the manual.
[06:31] <humphreybc> back
[06:40] <humphreybc> godbyk, did you read jono's review quote?
[06:43] <godbyk> nope
[06:43] <godbyk> where's it at?
[06:43] <humphreybc> it's on the pad or whiteboard for the back cover
[10:27] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[10:29] <godbyk> morning.
[10:29] <godbyk> though it's closer to bedtime, for me. :)
[10:30] <ubuntujenkins> hehe
[12:19] <semioticrobotic> 'morning all
[12:19] <ubuntujenkins> hello semioticrobotic
[12:22] <semioticrobotic> how are things, ubuntujenkins?
[12:23] <ubuntujenkins> good thanks semioticrobotic, you?
[12:24] <ubuntujenkins> I have to run got to catch a bus bye all. sorry semioticrobotic o/
[12:54] <thorwil> godbyk: is titlepage_letter_en.pdf in use?
[16:39] <ubuntujenkins> helllo all
[17:28] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, hi :)
[17:29] <ubuntujenkins> hello hemanth
[17:30] <hemanth> was reading the mail in the ml
[17:31] <ubuntujenkins> sure, any thoughts?
[18:47] <thorwil> godbyk: i messed up the generate-title-pages process somehow, while getting rid of a white fill in the pointer CoC cirlce and pointer are one shape, now)
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth, have you got time to go through your gui design thoughts?
[19:14] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins,need to look in detail today didn't get much time :(
[19:15] <ubuntujenkins> ok hemanth, if you don't mind poping it in an e-mail that would be good.
[19:15] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sure
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[19:18] <dutchie> o/
[19:19] <ubuntujenkins> hello dutchie
[19:23] <hemanth> \o
[19:23]  * hemanth left handed hehe good night all
[20:50] <vish> thorwil: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/facebook.png    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1325768/twitter.png  for the website
[20:51] <thorwil> vish: good work
[20:51] <vish> :)
[20:52] <vish> hmm , now where is daker ..
[20:53] <thorwil> vish: email him, he seems to like graphics for the website as attachments
[20:54] <vish> heh , i dont know his id ;)
[20:58] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> RE: line 482
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> It says that Yohoo is the default search engine
[20:59] <ChrisWoollard> wasn't it changed back to Google?
[21:02] <vish> godbyk: ^^
[21:02] <dutchie> oh bloody hell
[21:02] <vish> ah dutchie's here ;)
[21:02] <dutchie> worth a freeze exception imo
[21:02] <dutchie> should probably wait for someone else to check though
[21:03] <ChrisWoollard> It is a pain
[21:03] <dutchie> yeah :(
[21:14] <ChrisWoollard> Anyway, i will log it as a bug
[21:19] <ChrisWoollard> Ok, it is logged. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/569187
[21:19] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 569187 in ubuntu-manual "yahoo mentioned instead of Google Search" [Critical,New]
[21:19] <dutchie> great, thanks
[22:29] <godbyk> hey, dutchie.. you still around?
[22:29] <godbyk> Or anyone who knows anything about bzr/launchpad?
[22:30] <godbyk> the google/yahoo text has been modified, but apparently in the wrong branch.
[22:30] <godbyk> I could use some help trying to sort it all out.
[22:30] <dutchie> yes
[22:30] <dutchie> rrrr/away
[22:30] <dutchie> grr
[22:31] <godbyk> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e/revision/766
[22:31] <godbyk> that's one of the fixes I put in eons ago.
[22:31] <godbyk> note that it's in ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e instead of ubuntu-manual/main.
[22:31] <godbyk> how do we fix all that?
[22:32]  * godbyk is frightened and confused!
[22:32] <dutchie> hmm
[22:32]  * dutchie investigates
[22:33]  * godbyk feels better now that dutchie's on the case!
[22:33]  * dutchie wonders why
[22:36] <dutchie> hmm
[22:36] <dutchie> something quite odd is going on in the branch and series
[22:37] <godbyk> agreed.
[22:37] <ChrisWoollard> What's that then?
[22:37] <godbyk> but I'm fairly clueless about it all.
[22:38] <ChrisWoollard> Have you checked the flux capacitor or the dilithium crystals ;)
[22:38] <dutchie> I reckon we need to merge lucid-1e into main
[22:39] <ChrisWoollard> Oh
[22:40] <godbyk> See, I thought lucid-1e was main (or vice versa).
[22:40] <godbyk> when I run 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e' it pulls /main
[22:40] <dutchie> I think I will delete the lucid-1e branch after merging
[22:41] <dutchie> to prevent such confusion
[22:41] <godbyk> great.
[22:41] <godbyk> after (careful) merging, we'll need to update the pot file, too.
[22:41] <dutchie> oh bloody hell
[22:41] <dutchie> 305 conflicts encountered.
[22:41] <dutchie> :(
[22:41]  * godbyk anticipates much harassment from translators.
[22:42] <dutchie> stuff doing that
[22:42] <godbyk> the only things we really need to merge are the .tex files.
[22:42] <godbyk> the rest of it we don't care about
[22:43] <ChrisWoollard> So what impact does it have on translations?
[22:45] <godbyk> Well, the reason we need to merge is because I've updated some strings in the lucid-1e branch and those need merged into main.
[22:45] <godbyk> (Strings like the default search engine (from Yahoo to Google), window control buttons position and order, etc.)
[22:46] <dutchie> this would not be a problem if godbyk was working on the right branch
[22:46] <dutchie> :P
[22:46] <godbyk> lol
[22:46] <godbyk> I was! I was using lucid-1e.  It's the rest of the works using main that's the problem. ;-)
[22:47] <godbyk> I'm not even sure how I got those files into the /lucid-1e area since I can't figure out how to download from there.
[22:47] <godbyk> (When I pull lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e, it's pulling /main)
[22:47] <dutchie> ITYM lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1
[22:47] <dutchie> this is the source of the confusion
[22:48] <godbyk> er, whatever. that was a stupid typo on my part way back when I was forced to set up the branches. :)
[22:48] <godbyk> I think the branch was 1e and the series was e1 or vice versa.
[22:48] <godbyk> they didn't align, in any case.
[22:49] <godbyk> they really should be named lucid-1e and lucid-2e, if there's any simple way to correct that at this point.
[22:49] <dutchie> doubt it
[22:51] <dutchie> I think godbyk should stick to the latex
[22:51] <godbyk> I'm also thinking that for e2 and maverick, it might be good to start with fresh branches (i.e., without bringing in the history and cruft of e1).  That way the branches can be a lot smaller.
[22:51]  * godbyk agrees wholeheartedly!
[22:52] <godbyk> (blame humphreybc.. he's the one who forced me to set those things up -- despite much protesting on my part!)  :-)
[22:52] <dutchie> godbyk: which commits do you want from the doomed lucid-1e branch?
[22:52] <godbyk> Oh, boy.  Lemme look.
[22:54] <godbyk> dutchie: I think it's just r766 and r765 (from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e/changes/767?start_revid=767)
[22:54] <dutchie> right
[22:54] <dutchie> doing it
[22:54] <godbyk> awesome
[22:55] <godbyk> then you can hold my hand and tell me what I should be checking out/branching/pulling. :)
[23:00] <dutchie> godbyk: right, pull lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 (which points to lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main) and check that all the fixes you want are there
[23:01] <godbyk> okay
[23:01] <godbyk> I just discovered 'bzr viz' yesterday and it's awesome.
[23:03] <godbyk> pulling. it's taking a while.
[23:03] <dutchie> good old lp/bzr up to its usual performance
[23:08] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, I think that looks good now.
[23:09] <dutchie> sure?
[23:09] <godbyk> So I suppose next we'll need to update the pot file in that branch.
[23:10] <dutchie> I'm going to delete the branch first
[23:10] <dutchie> (if you're sure we've got all we need from it)
[23:10] <godbyk> can I nab a copy of that branch first just in case?
[23:10] <godbyk> (Though those are the only commits I saw in there since the branch was created)
[23:12] <dutchie> sure
[23:12] <godbyk> okay, I'm pulling the branch from ~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/lucid-1e right now.
[23:12] <godbyk> (this could take a while!)
[23:13] <godbyk> in the meantime, what do you think about culling all the cruft and establishing brand new branches for lucid-e2 and maverick?
[23:13] <godbyk> (so we're not pulling 150+ MB)
[23:14] <dutchie> maverick, maybe, lucid-e2, maybe not
[23:14] <godbyk> k
[23:15] <godbyk> I know there have been some commits to lucid-e2 already.  but surely maverick is still untouched, yes?
[23:15] <dutchie> dunno
[23:15] <dutchie> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/maverick
[23:16] <dutchie> doesn't look to like it
[23:17] <godbyk> 'kay.
[23:18] <godbyk> because even though I deleted some files, you still have to pull the full history of those files, I think.
[23:19] <godbyk> dutchie: okay, you can kill that branch now.
[23:19] <dutchie> gone
[23:19] <godbyk> I've made a copy of it on my computer called: ~/bzr/lucid-1e-die-die-die.
[23:19] <godbyk> now we need to update the translations.
[23:20] <dutchie> could you do it?
[23:20] <godbyk> if you could do it in such a way that I don't receive hate mail from disgruntled Romanian translators, I'd be much obliged.
[23:20] <dutchie> ah, nm
[23:20] <godbyk> I could try, if you give me the command again.  It didn't work for me last time, though. (It only updated the po files, not the pot file.)
[23:21] <dutchie> no worries, I'll do it
[23:21] <godbyk> 'kay.
[23:21] <godbyk> I'm assuming it requires some magic that I don't possess. :)
[23:22] <dutchie> maybe
[23:23] <ChrisWoollard> godbyk: rofl
[23:24] <dutchie> doesn't want to work for me now :(
[23:25] <godbyk> \o/  it's not just me!
[23:38] <dutchie> godbyk: can you try po4a --no-translations -v -MUTF-8 --package-version=`bzr revno` --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name=ubuntu-manual po4a.conf?
[23:39] <godbyk> sure
[23:39] <godbyk> it's currently updating the .po files and complaining about some spurious \r's.
[23:39] <godbyk> and that's all it did.
[23:40] <dutchie> :(
[23:40] <godbyk> it didn't touch the pot file
[23:41]  * dutchie takes a radical step and deletes the pot file
[23:42] <dutchie> that didn't work :(
[23:43] <godbyk> should we use po4a-gettextize?
[23:43]  * godbyk is reading the man pages
[23:43] <dutchie> shouldn't have to
[23:43] <dutchie> do you want to ask in #po4a on oftc, seeing as I definitely should go to bed?
[23:44] <godbyk> I can try.  Where's oftc?
[23:44] <godbyk> ah, found it.
[23:44] <godbyk> xchat had it in its list already
[23:46] <godbyk> not sure if anyone's awake in that channel, but we'll see.
[23:46] <dutchie> I'll leave it in your hands then
[23:46] <godbyk> oh, yeah, brilliant idea. <smirk>
[23:46] <dutchie> just try not to change the po files
[23:46] <dutchie> if they don't change, we don't lose anything
[23:47] <godbyk> Right. I can always revert the po files before I commit something.
[23:47] <godbyk> I think mucking up the pot file is more dangerous, though. :)


[03:08] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm in ubuntu-sru now, so I can accept our point releases.
[06:42] <jussi> Good morning ninjas, awesome kubuntu peoples and others :)
[06:45]  * micahg waves to sensai jussi
[06:46] <jussi> :D
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[09:53] <hrw> hi guys
[09:53] <Tm_T> hello
[09:53] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/bad-fonts.jpg - does anyone know why I have some crappy fonts in GTK apps undder kde?
[09:54] <Tm_T> jpg artefacts
[09:54] <achille> !bug #1015048
[09:54] <Tm_T> hrw: as in, if you're trying to illustrate small details, png is the way to go (;
[09:55] <achille> can some one take a  look at it  please
[09:55] <hrw> Tm_T: they are not artifacts...
[09:55] <hrw> Tm_T: it looks that way
[09:56] <Tm_T> hrw: I prolly see what you mean, but I also see jpg artefacts, a lot, which makes comparison difficult, try with png please
[09:56] <hrw> ok
[09:57] <hrw> http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/~hrw/shots/bad-fonts2.png
[09:57] <hrw> affects any gtk2 app: gvim, chromium-browser, gnotes
[10:00] <hrw> hard to work with such issues ;(
[10:04] <Tm_T> so it's too soft?
[10:05] <hrw> ?
[10:06] <hrw> btw - libreoffice has same issue
[10:06] <hrw> and whole is in quantal
[10:06] <Tm_T> (I think this is wrong channel for user support but hey) does this help any? http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=96068
[10:07] <hrw> Tm_T: I am able to rebuild kde or gtk2 if needed ;D
[10:07] <Tm_T> hmmm
[10:08] <Tm_T> hrw: let me check, so some text goes all garbled?
[10:08] <hrw> random text goes randomly garbled
[10:09] <hrw> opening gvim with any text (:help for example) and scrolling shows that
[10:09] <Tm_T> and you don't use desktop effects?
[10:10] <hrw> disabled them and still same problem
[10:11] <Tm_T> if you change font?
[10:11] <Tm_T> same problem I assume
[10:12] <hrw> same
[10:12] <hrw> in kde-config-gtk I can change theme/font and it does not change situation
[10:17] <Tm_T> but font changes? (;
[10:17] <hrw> yes ;D
[10:17] <hrw> theme changes are also visible
[10:17] <Tm_T> goody
[10:17] <Tm_T> atleast something works nicely
[10:18] <Tm_T> I assume you have already tested this on another (preferably freshly created) user and also on non-kde session etc
[10:18] <hrw> no, not checked it such yet
[10:21] <hrw> started very minimal root x11 session (xterm+kwin+gvim) works fine
[10:38] <apachelogger> yofel: did we not want to meet to discuss tooling ^^
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where is my data?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:58] <na-utusan> what happened to the context menu tab in general preferences of dolphin(4.9 B2) ?
[13:00] <Riddell> utusan: dunno ask in an upstream channel, #kde
[15:19] <Riddell> here's my proposed new language packs
[15:19] <Riddell> dpm, apachelogger: able to look over those for sanity?
[15:21] <dpm> Riddell, busy this week with app developer showdown, on a live hangout right now
[15:27] <apachelogger> here?
[15:27] <apachelogger> where is here?
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: what context of 'here'?
[15:30] <apachelogger> I dunno :'(
[15:39] <BluesKaj> right here , right now ....on our stage ...   :)
[15:41] <apachelogger> I don't see the packages, I must be lind
[15:47] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-dev] change installer slideshow to remove mention of canonical support: TODO
[15:47] <apachelogger> where do we have canonical mentionings?
[15:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: someone said it was in ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu
[15:47] <apachelogger> hm
[15:47] <Riddell> that probably needs various other tidying up to
[15:47] <apachelogger> checking
[15:48] <apachelogger> what it needs is dropping :P
[15:49] <apachelogger> ./slides/get-help.html:     commercial support available through Canonical, its partners and
[15:50] <apachelogger> haha
[15:50] <apachelogger> it is html and yet we did not manage to make it not flow over the image
[15:50] <apachelogger> this is fun
[15:50]  * apachelogger actually thought it was qlabel+qlabelWithPixmap
[15:51] <apachelogger> the slideshow has too much text IMHO
[15:59] <jussi> so... I Aquired a quadcore processor phone today... :D
[16:01] <BluesKaj> for 4 simultaneous conversations , jussi  ? :)
[16:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: agree
[16:03] <Riddell> jussi: whatever is that going to do?
[16:04] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[16:04] <apachelogger> anyone with the CSS skillz here?
[16:04] <ulysses> wut?
[16:05] <apachelogger> I need someone to fix our slideshow's css so that the text flows around the image rather than lying ontop of it
[16:06] <ulysses> I could try it
[16:07] <apachelogger> ulysses: bzr co lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[16:07] <apachelogger> the slides are in slideshows/kubuntu/slides
[16:07] <apachelogger> css is sin slideshows/kubuntu/slides/link/base.css
[16:08] <apachelogger> pim.html exhibits the problem, so I  suggest you change the index.html to start with pim.html for testing
[16:08] <apachelogger> oh, that said, you can test it by starting kubuntu-slideshow.py in the main directory
[16:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/06/19/plasma-desktopQN2331.png
[16:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: lovely
[16:18] <apachelogger> yay
[16:18] <apachelogger> I cannot commit
[16:18] <apachelogger> hooray
[16:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kubuntu-support/+merge/111052
[16:25] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-dev] package Oxygen font: TODO
[16:25] <apachelogger> that is no where near inclusion IMHO
[16:25] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[16:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: e-mail me so I don't forget
[16:54] <ulysses> I think a float:right; property should be enough for the image, but it doesn't work...
[16:58] <apachelogger> ulysses: I think it is because of all the absolute positioning I think
[16:58] <apachelogger> then again I do not know nothing about no css
[17:12] <ulysses> everything is absolute, omg
[17:13] <apachelogger> ulysses: feel free to break it as you see fit :)
[17:13]  * apachelogger would think with a future QML port it should be redone in qml anyway
[17:21] <ulysses> yeah
[18:11] <ulysses> apachelogger: I solved it with a hack, I reduced the icon size in CSS :P
[18:11] <apachelogger> ulysses: that won't be enough I am afraid
[18:12] <apachelogger> just because it fits in english, does not mean it will fit in french
[18:12] <ulysses> how can I test with translations?
[18:12] <apachelogger> ulysses: I think there is something inthe readme about it
[18:12] <apachelogger> anyhow, the point stands either way
[18:13] <apachelogger> unless you want ot test all 500000 languages ^^
[18:13] <ulysses> yepp
[18:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: already merged
[18:32] <ulysses> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/slideshow.png
[18:32] <ulysses> now I have to set the proper position only
[18:33] <ulysses> I have to go, see you later
[19:08] <Peace-> wtf rekonq crash on google plus
[19:09] <jussi> rekonq crash... what a suprise...
[19:09] <Peace-> as always i would say


[00:14] <BillHicks> hi
[00:14] <BillHicks> everyone
[00:15] <BillHicks> can anyone help me with a no-backlight problem
[00:15] <BillHicks> when logging in to ubuntu latest version
[00:15] <BillHicks> using acer laptop
[00:15] <BillHicks> with W7 as primary OS
[00:16] <holstein> i would try a few different kernels
[00:16] <holstein> i would do this by just burning a few LIVE CD's too if you dont want to fiddle with your system much
[00:17] <holstein> trying the 10.04, and a daily 12.04 live would give you somre pretty decent data to work with
[00:17] <BillHicks> holstein is this a troubleshoot to my problemÉ
[00:17] <BillHicks> ?
[00:18] <holstein> BillHicks: its one way to go
[00:18] <BillHicks> oh
[00:18] <BillHicks> ur talking to me :P
[00:18] <BillHicks> well the thing is
[00:18] <holstein> you can also just google 'ubuntu my graphics card version'
[00:18] <holstein> and see what comes up
[00:18] <BillHicks> I installed on my other pc it worked just fine
[00:18] <BillHicks> its not working with my laptop
[00:18] <holstein> sure.. different graphics cards... different hardware
[00:18] <holstein> the hardware is the issue
[00:18] <BillHicks> ; __ ; but hwy
[00:18] <BillHicks> whyyyy
[00:19] <holstein> its different
[00:19] <holstein> different vendors
[00:19] <BillHicks> so i cant have the latest version?
[00:19] <holstein> you should search for your graphics card type and see if there is a linux driver for it
[00:19] <geirha> defferent vendors, different answers to the question "What's linux?"
[00:20] <BillHicks> Oooo Geirha :D hi
[00:20] <BillHicks> !
[00:20] <holstein> BillHicks: you can have whatever you want, you can force different drivers.. you can write your own driver.. you can call the company and ask them to make one...
[00:20] <geirha> Some make drivers for linux, some only make drivers for windows
[00:20] <holstein> linux/ubuntu cant make one, if the information on how to make one is not shared
[00:20] <BillHicks> I dont know what a driver is
[00:21] <holstein> BillHicks: you dont have to... you just dont have one for your graphics card
[00:21] <geirha> In the latter case, the open source community might ship in and make one, but they don't always work 100%
[00:21] <holstein> or thats what i think the issue is
[00:21] <BillHicks> >.< computers are so complicated
[00:22] <holstein> its so easy to try live CD's, i usually suggest just going that route til something works
[00:22] <BillHicks> too much
[00:22] <BillHicks> so u mean
[00:22] <holstein> BillHicks: let your vendor know you are having issues
[00:22] <BillHicks> to put it in simple words
[00:22] <BillHicks> i should contact ubuntu to ask them for a cd with the iso on it É
[00:22] <BillHicks> ?
[00:22] <holstein> BillHicks: whoever made your card
[00:22] <holstein> we are ubuntu ;)
[00:22] <holstein> you and I.. and everyone else
[00:22] <BillHicks> touchee
[00:23] <BillHicks> well this part of ubuntu is suffering
[00:23] <BillHicks> lol
[00:23] <holstein> BillHicks: ?
[00:23] <holstein> BillHicks: these drivers are not included in windows
[00:24] <BillHicks> I dont know what driver means....
[00:24] <holstein> if you would like a similar scenario where you purchase a machine, hit the button, and everything works.. you should try something like http://www.system76.com/
[00:24] <holstein> otherwise, planning your purchases around linux support is not a bad idea
[00:24] <BillHicks> nah i already have W7 for that
[00:25] <holstein> there is literally nothing ubuntu can do to support the hardware that the vendors do not give information about
[00:25] <holstein> when you think about how many devices the linux kernel does support, its quite amazing
[00:25] <BillHicks> there is literaly nothing ubuntu can do to work with my graphic card that the vendors dont give info about u mean
[00:26] <holstein> BillHicks: you can try the vesa driver
[00:26] <BillHicks> im sure it is
[00:26] <holstein> you can try other live CD's
[00:26] <Sidewinder1> BillHicks, Perhaps have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_driver for an explanation ob 'drivers.'
[00:26] <holstein> as i was saying before...
[00:26] <holstein> i use several live CD's regularly for troubleshooting purposes
[00:26] <holstein> http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
[00:27] <holstein> also some others for older hardware like puppy linux
[00:27] <holstein> with these live CD"s i can usually figure out what i need to do to get hardware support for those tricky graphics cards or other tricky hardware
[00:27] <philipballew> A driver is the code on the computer that talks to the hardware basically.
[00:27] <holstein> BillHicks: what graphics hardware do you have?
[00:28] <BillHicks> ill check for u
[00:28] <BillHicks> wait
[00:28] <holstein> BillHicks: you can always run ubuntu in something like virtualbox, inside windows 7
[00:28] <BillHicks> how can i know?
[00:28] <BillHicks> what graphic hardware i have
[00:28] <holstein> BillHicks: i typically open a web browser, go to google, and type in the model name
[00:29] <BillHicks> of my laptop?
[00:29] <holstein> or, i look to see if the operating system can report it to me
[00:29] <holstein> BillHicks: whatever device we are assuming you are having graphics driver issues on
[00:29] <BillHicks> do i type the model name of my laptop?
[00:30] <holstein> BillHicks: if you want
[00:30] <BillHicks> yeah found it
[00:30] <BillHicks> wait
[00:30] <holstein> if you arent comfortable with google, you can flip the machine over, and give me the model #
[00:30] <BillHicks> no no basic computing i can handle that
[00:32] <BillHicks> Graphics Card
[00:32] <BillHicks> Integrated 3D graphics
[00:32] <BillHicks> Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 4500M with up to 1759 MB of Intel® Dynamic Video Memory Technology 5.0 (64 MB of dedicated system memory, up to 1695 MB of shared system memory), supporting Microsoft® DirectX® 10
[00:33] <holstein> hmmm... typically intel is well supported
[00:33] <holstein> BillHicks: what ubuntu version are you trying? and how are you trying it?
[00:33] <holstein> i suggest to you to try http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntu-10.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[00:33] <BillHicks> http://markuswalther.com/tech/backlight.html
[00:34] <holstein> ^ download that, burn it to CD, or make a USB stick with http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:34] <BillHicks> oooh ty :D
[00:34] <holstein> try it LIVE first
[00:34] <holstein> BillHicks: do you know what i mean by 'try it live' ?
[00:34] <Sidewinder1> !md5sum
[00:34] <ubot2> To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[00:34] <BillHicks> oh yes you mean try it before installing it :D
[00:35] <holstein> BillHicks: there are live linux CD's which give you the option of trying them before installing and messing with the hard drive at all
[00:35] <holstein> the above iso has that option...
[00:42] <BillHicks> k cool ill try all of that later on
[00:42] <BillHicks> its just sad that i cant have 11.10
[00:43] <BillHicks> I wanted another version before that and it was a pain in the bu*t to instal it
[00:43] <holstein> sad? well you can... you can likely install and upgrade, and all would be fine
[00:43] <BillHicks> and so i was like okey ill take 11.10 :( and this one doesnt work either
[00:44] <BillHicks> what do u mean instal and upgrade
[00:44] <holstein> BillHicks: yeah, but actually , the graphics bug you are experiencing is still there in that kernel
[00:44] <BillHicks> o.o
[00:44] <holstein> BillHicks: the kernel is likely to be patched at some point hopefully
[00:44] <holstein> to fix that issue
[00:44] <holstein> intel hardware is typically well supported
[00:44] <holstein> and that link you found tells you how to fix it
[00:45] <BillHicks> ot so simple, but quite easy if you did not change /etc/boot.local, /etc/rc.local, or /etc/sudoers for your own purposes.
[00:45] <BillHicks> Extract the archive backlight_control.tar.gz on your computer. Open a terminal. Be sure to be root. Type
[00:45] <BillHicks> ./sbrinst OS mode
[00:45] <BillHicks> OS can be one of 'suse' or 'ubuntu'
[00:45] <BillHicks> mode can be one of 'install' or 'uninstall'
[00:45] <BillHicks> sbrinst needs to know which brightness adjustment matches your laptop. So, there is a little test. As you can see below in the setbrightness script, for some laptops FF means maximum brightness, for others 00. This test should find out which of them matches.
[00:45] <BillHicks> Note: If you receive a warning like "Your device ID does not match the default (00:02.0)" then go on and replace 00:02.0 with the correct ID in /bin/setbrightness line 42 (DEVICE='00:02.0 F4.B'). You also will have to set the DIRECTION flag manually (DIRECTION=0 means that 00 gains maximal brightness, DIRECTION=1 means that FF is the brightest setting).
[00:45] <BillHicks> do i do this on windowsÉ
[00:45] <BillHicks> ?
[00:46] <BillHicks> its from the l;ink i found :)
[00:46] <holstein> BillHicks: again, thats why for you i suggest trying the 10.04, and the daily 12.04 live CD's
[00:47] <holstein> i mean, i feel like i might be motivated to wade through that information if i had the machine in front of me, but its not trivial
[00:47] <BillHicks> but u just said i can try the 11.10
[00:47] <holstein> right, and you have
[00:47] <BillHicks> i didnt enjoy it yet
[00:47] <BillHicks> ; __ ; the screen is black
[00:47] <BillHicks> oh alright fine
[00:48] <BillHicks> ill got with 10.04
[00:48] <BillHicks> and one day ill have the latest version
[00:48] <holstein> 10.04 *is* the latest LTS version
[00:48] <BillHicks> LTS?
[00:48] <holstein> long term support
[00:49] <BillHicks> ooo and what is the 11.10 then?
[00:49] <holstein> well, i like to personally call the non LTS releases 'testing'.. but thats not necessarily true/fair
[00:49] <BillHicks> it has an interesting name too
[00:49] <BillHicks> okay wait
[00:49] <BillHicks> does the 10.04 has a cool desktop layout like 11.10 too?
[00:50] <holstein> if you mean 'is 10.04 running unity? ' the answer is no
[00:50] <BillHicks> running unity
[00:50] <holstein> its running gnome 2 by default
[00:50] <BillHicks> no no
[00:50] <BillHicks> i mean
[00:50] <BillHicks> like
[00:50] <holstein> there are lots of different DE
[00:50] <BillHicks> does it look like vista%
[00:50] <holstein> im not sure.. it can i suppose
[00:51] <BillHicks> alright ill just google it
[00:51] <BillHicks> it looks like apple
[00:51] <BillHicks> ...
[00:51] <holstein> google what? makind ubuntu 10.40 look like vista?
[00:51] <holstein> linux is open
[00:52] <holstein> this is all open source software.. it can literally look however you want it to look
[00:52] <holstein> out of the box, 10.04 has 2 panels
[00:52] <BillHicks> :O i can see that
[00:52] <holstein> osx has one
[00:52] <holstein> vista has one?
[00:52] <BillHicks> in other pictures they have black taskbars
[00:52] <BillHicks> AWESOME
[00:52] <BillHicks> im getting that version then :3
[00:52] <holstein> you can delete one, and put it up at the top or bottom
[00:53] <BillHicks> thank you alot for your help!
[00:53] <holstein> or the side.. litereally whatever you want
[00:53] <holstein> BillHicks: sure
[00:53] <BillHicks> ur awesome :3
[00:53] <BillHicks> thanks alot
[00:53] <BillHicks> brb
[01:44] <dorkrock2> hey. what is a good project for a linux beginner? I mean, a setup or something that would serve as a learning experience?
[01:46] <stlsaint> dorkrock2: what you mean?
[01:48] <dorkrock2> well, I am interested in using linux, but I have no motivation to learn beyond normal usage. a project, like some kind of server or router setup, could teach me things... but I don't know what exactly linux can accomplish in that regard
[01:50] <stlsaint> well seems like your not that interested if your not motivated to learn it :\
[01:51] <holstein> !ssh
[01:51] <ubot2> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)
[01:51] <holstein> dorkrock2: ^
[01:51] <stlsaint> there are many projects...first choose a specific area and start there
[01:52] <dorkrock2> good point, bad phrasing on my part, I'm motivated but lack a direction
[01:53] <stlsaint> choose a area first then we can help better
[01:54] <dorkrock2> holstein: so I can set up a linux box as a SSH server? what can I do with it?
[01:55] <holstein> dorkrock2: anything you would do locally on that machine in the command line
[01:56] <holstein> connect to it via sftp
[01:56] <dorkrock2> well that's my problem, I'm staring at a blinking command line on my laptop and don't know what I want or can do with it
[01:56] <holstein> dorkrock2: start with.. what do you want to do?
[01:57] <dorkrock2> no idea haha
[01:57] <holstein> you can go lots of ways here.. are you into web development? servers? graphics? audio?
[01:59] <dorkrock2> of those 4 I'm into music the most, I also would like to start learning programming, so perhaps a music player and web browser
[01:59] <dorkrock2> can you do that through SSH?
[02:00] <holstein> its all open, so in theory, you can do anything
[02:01] <dorkrock2> ok, I guess I have an idea of what to do then
[02:03] <dorkrock2> thanks you two
[06:43] <billhicks> hi
[06:44] <billhicks> LD
[06:44] <billhicks> :D
[06:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hello
[06:44] <bioterror> billhicks, we have #ubuntu-beginners-team for chatting, people tends to keep this channel as a support channel
[06:44] <billhicks> no no i did come here for support
[06:44] <bioterror> that's the place where you can find all your favourite ubt members and have conversations with them ;)
[06:44] <billhicks> lol
[06:45] <billhicks> Earlier today and yesterday I was trying to instal ubuntu
[06:45] <billhicks> well i just became succesful
[06:45] <billhicks> in that
[06:45] <billhicks> and it worked
[06:45] <billhicks> so i just wanted to thank the 3 members that helped me
[06:45] <billhicks> one of them is geirha
[06:46] <billhicks> and 2 others with long names -.= im sorry i dont remember them
[06:46] <billhicks> but yeah thanks
[06:46] <billhicks> I ended up using the version 10.04 for my laptop instead of uberstudent but its ok i like this version :D
[06:46] <billhicks> i have a couple of last questions
[06:47] <billhicks> whats good program to use instead of vlc...
[06:47] <IAmNotThatGuy> billhicks: try to keep all you want to tell in a single para, so that it will be easy for us to read. multi-lines often make us confused =]
[06:47] <billhicks> ooo >.< sorry and also one of the other two memebers is holstein so thanks holstein for suggesting 10.04
[06:48] <IAmNotThatGuy> We prefer VLC player at the most. Other than VLC I used mplayer. But I am not sure whether it will satify you.
[06:50] <billhicks> oh. well i tried to download it but it didnt work i guess ill try it again later on
[06:51] <Snicksie> as far as I remember, VLC can be installed from the ubuntu software center too ;)
[06:52] <bioterror> yes it can
[06:53] <bioterror> and VLC has all the most needed codecs
[06:53] <bioterror> you dont have to play with gstream-ugly-bad-good-whatever
[06:55] <billhicks> ugh ill try that. I think i just did something wrong i guess. I thought vlc wasnt compatible with ubuntu this is why i came here to ask you guys
[07:55] <deper29> hey guys, quick question. anytime I boot up in ubuntu, it shows me different kernels I can choose from. Is there anyway to make that list smaller? or hide options?
[07:58] <bodhizazen> deper29, remove the old kernels
[07:58] <deper29> how do I do that?
[07:58] <bodhizazen> from synaptic or the software center or from the command line
[07:59] <bodhizazen> apt-get pure <your_old_kernel>
[08:00] <deper29> is there an easy way to get a list of all my kernels?
[08:02] <bodhizazen> ls /boot | grep vmlinuz
[08:02] <bodhizazen> or search in synaptic, they will be listed there
[08:02] <deper29> thanks :)
[08:02] <bodhizazen> np
[08:03] <bodhizazen> In Fedora they only keep 3 kernels, more then 2 older ones are automatically removed
[08:04] <deper29> ahh
[10:54] <deper29> okay, I did this on my system: sudo apt-get remove --purge 2.6.32*
[10:55] <deper29> it seemed to remove all of my kernels, and now when I boot up, I have the option of memtest or windows
[10:55] <deper29> help?
[11:04] <deper29> anyone?
[11:05] <coalwater> hi
[11:05] <coalwater> give me a sec to read lol
[11:05] <deper29> thanks :)
[11:06] <bioterror> deper29, chroot
[11:06] <coalwater> there was a nice gui for that
[11:06] <coalwater> ubuntu tweek could do it
[11:06] <bioterror> deper29, boot ubuntu cd/usb, mount few devices and your /, then chroot into that and install kernels
[11:06] <bioterror> !chroot
[11:06] <ubot2> A chroot is used to make programs believe that the directory they are running in is really the root directory. It can be used to stop programs accessing files outside of that directory, or for compiling 32bit applications in a 64bit environment - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[11:07] <deper29> bioterror: what do you mean mount few devices and / ?
[11:07] <coalwater> he wants to remove the kernels not add them
[11:07] <coalwater> or what
[11:07] <deper29> I have no kernels
[11:08] <coalwater> = root
[11:08] <coalwater>  / =root
[11:08] <deper29> how do I mount? and what am I mounting?
[11:09] <coalwater> i dont really know, so bio should do the answering :D
[11:09] <coalwater> deper29: do u want to delete  or hide or add kernels?
[11:09] <deper29> add
[11:09] <deper29> I removed all of them
[11:09] <deper29> by accident :(
[11:09] <coalwater> o ok
[11:09] <coalwater> so ull do a usb/cd boot
[11:10] <deper29> so I can only boot into windows now
[11:10] <deper29> okay
[11:11] <coalwater> then do the mounting, and chroot, then pretend ur installign a new kernel, the live session will install on ur actualy hdd version thinking its the running one, that's basicly what he's to say i think
[11:11] <deper29> when you say do the mounting, what am I mounting?
[11:12] <deper29> I'm not exactly sure how to install a new kernel either, they always installed whenever update manager said I had updates
[11:12] <coalwater> i dont know where the kernels are actually located, maybe /boot or /root or smething
[11:12] <bioterror> hmmmm
[11:12] <deper29> I'm just trying to document all of this since I won't have access to you guys when I try this :P
[11:13] <coalwater> why not, u can still go on line with a live session
[11:13] <bioterror> if you dont have a separate /boot
[11:13] <bioterror> then you mount your currently "broken" / to /mnt
[11:14] <bioterror> then you mount your /dev/sys and /dev/proc with "-o bind" to /mnt/proc/ and /mnt/sys
[11:14] <deper29> hold on, I'll boot the live cd
[11:14] <deper29> thanks for the help guys :) talk with you shortly
[11:28] <deper29> hey, I'm on now
[11:29] <deper29> so what do I do in here?
[11:29] <bioterror> open terminal
[11:29] <deper29> k
[11:29] <bioterror> sudo blkid
[11:29] <bioterror> and pastebin the output
[11:29] <deper29> k
[11:30] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760312/
[11:31] <bioterror> nice
[11:31] <deper29> ?
[11:31] <bioterror> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[11:31] <deper29> what was nice? :P
[11:31] <deper29> and that's done
[11:33] <bioterror> sudo mount -o bind /proc/ /mnt/proc
[11:33] <deper29> k
[11:33] <bioterror> sudo mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev
[11:33] <bioterror> sudo mount -o bind /sys /mnt/sys
[11:33] <bioterror> chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash
[11:34] <deper29> I have to sudo that last one I think
[11:34] <bioterror> yes
[11:34] <deper29> k
[11:35] <bioterror> now I have to remember what was the kerne named :D
[11:35] <bioterror> kernel
[11:36] <deper29> mmmmm
[11:36] <deper29> 2.6.38 something
[11:36] <deper29> generic I believe
[11:36] <deper29> and it was a 64 bit
[11:36] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[11:37] <deper29> will it install 64 bit automatically?
[11:37] <bioterror> ofcourse
[11:37] <deper29> :)
[11:38] <deper29> okay, i'm getting a few errors. I'll pastebin
[11:39] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760318/
[11:40] <bioterror> that computer has no network?
[11:40] <deper29> it should
[11:40] <bioterror> it's the same where you are now ircing?
[11:40] <deper29> yeah
[11:40] <deper29> lol
[11:40] <bioterror> what's that
[11:40] <bioterror> :D
[11:41] <deper29> what's what?
[11:41] <bioterror> that whining about hostnames
[11:41] <deper29> I have no clue :/
[11:41] <deper29> maybe it's a sign I should be studying :P
[11:41] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:42] <bioterror> it's not that bad situation :D
[11:42] <deper29> hehe
[11:42] <bioterror> deper29, sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/<tab complete a kernel here>
[11:43] <deper29> it's still doing it's thing, should I stop it?
[11:43] <bioterror> doing what?
[11:43] <bioterror> downloading something or what?
[11:43] <deper29> yeah
[11:44] <bioterror> no, dont stop then
[11:44] <bioterror> if it is installing a kernel?
[11:44] <bioterror> or is it?
[11:44] <deper29> it's going really slowly because my network is awful
[11:44] <deper29> it says connecting to ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:44] <deper29> 20%
[11:44] <deper29> actually, not my network. this r8169 realtek driver bs
[11:54] <deper29> bioterror: I it finally finished the install linux-generic.
[11:54] <deper29> should I do the dpkg now?
[11:55] <bioterror> no
[11:55] <bioterror> now you do: sudo os-probe
[11:55] <bioterror> and then
[11:55] <bioterror> sudo update-grub
[11:55] <deper29> while i'm chroot?
[11:55] <bioterror> yes
[11:55] <deper29> k
[11:55] <deper29> sudo: os-probe: command not found
[11:55] <bioterror> sorry
[11:56] <bioterror> os-prober
[11:56] <deper29> k
[11:56] <deper29> done and done
[11:56] <bioterror> okay
[11:56] <bioterror> now now can press ctrl+d
[11:56] <bioterror> and you should be out of chroot
[11:56] <bioterror> right?
[11:56] <deper29> yup!
[11:57] <deper29> reboot?
[11:58] <bioterror> wait
[11:58] <deper29> k
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo mount /mnt/sys
[11:58] <bioterror> sorr
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt/sys
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt/dev
[11:58] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt/proc
[11:59] <bioterror> sudo umount /mnt
[11:59] <bioterror> and reboot
[11:59] <deper29> okay
[11:59] <deper29> back shortly
[11:59] <deper29> hopefully in the proper one :D
[12:02] <bioterror> did it work?
[12:02] <deper29> bioterror: no dice :(
[12:03] <deper29> I'm in windows now, I'll boot back into live cd I suppose
[12:03] <bioterror> hmmmm
[12:03] <deper29> had to pick something when I rebooted :P
[12:03] <deper29> back shortly again
[12:03] <geirha> Sure you're booting the right harddisk?
[12:03] <deper29> yup
[12:03] <deper29> certain of that
[12:06] <bioterror> remember kids, do not use wildcards when removing unneeded kernels
[12:07] <geirha> hehe.    What is master boot record ?
[12:12] <geirha> IAmNotThatGuy: /msg shbot rm -rf /*
[12:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> MaynardJKeenan: Wrong channel. /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[12:12] <deper29> back
[12:12] <IAmNotThatGuy> geirha: ;P
[12:12] <MaynardJKeenan> alright will do :3
[12:13] <bobweaver> this is the link that I am using http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/linux-distributions/linux-distributions4-ubuntu/1679-how-to-install-burg-in-ubuntu-
[12:14] <deper29> bioterror: any other suggestions?
[12:14] <deper29> I imagine that should have worked the first time :/
[12:14] <geirha> IAmNotThatGuy: I'm serious, you can try it if you want. shbot is a bot that runs shell commands in a VM. :) It doesn't run ubuntu though
[12:14] <bobweaver> geirha: like evalbot ?
[12:15] <bioterror> deper29, thinking now
[12:15] <IAmNotThatGuy> oh! thanks geirha =]
[12:15] <bobweaver> but with vm and not qemu >?
[12:15] <deper29> k
[12:15] <geirha> bobweaver: Yes, it's evalbot with some modifications
[12:15] <bobweaver> cool
[12:15] <geirha> qemu is vm software...
[12:16] <bobweaver> Oo
[12:16] <geirha> VM, Virtual Machine
[12:16] <bobweaver> sorry I meant vmware or virtual box or qemu < but not sure that I understand qemu all that well
[12:17] <bobweaver> only use for deb gnu hurd
[12:17] <bobweaver> and eval bot
[12:17] <geirha> All of those can run virtual machines; evalbot and shbot both use qemu
[12:17] <bobweaver> ahh cool
[12:18] <geirha> I don't have much exprience with vmware, but virtualbox is hell to control from the command line. qemu is much more suited on that part.
[12:18] <bobweaver> geirha: know any thing about BURG or grum themes ?
[12:18] <bobweaver> grub *
[12:19] <geirha> bobweaver: No, never even considered changing grub theme
[12:32] <deper29> bioterror: I found something similar to what you were directing me to do, but instead they had done install linux-image
[12:33] <bioterror> try it ;)
[12:33] <deper29> kk
[12:33] <deper29> fingers crossed...again :P
[12:45] <bioterror> deper29, still problem?
[12:45] <deper29> I'm on my system
[12:45] <deper29> :)
[12:45] <bioterror> yey
[12:45] <bioterror> it was linux-image then?
[12:45] <deper29> other problems arose
[12:45] <deper29> yup :)
[12:45] <deper29> now just trying to fix video and ethernet :P
[12:46] <deper29> thanks for your help :D
[12:46] <geirha> Now try removing the core component of your windows system and see how easy it is to fix that. :)
[12:46] <deper29> lol
[12:47] <geirha> deper29: Perhaps you're missing the modules
[12:47] <bioterror> yep
[12:47] <bioterror> re-install graphics drivers ;)
[12:47] <bioterror> catalyst if AMD/ATI, nvidia if nvidia ;)
[12:48] <geirha> I'm thinking linux-restricted-modules-<kernel version>
[12:56] <deper29> there we go, video and ethernet working properlf
[12:56] <deper29> *properly
[12:56] <deper29> :)
[12:56] <bioterror> seems like you had fun with GNU/Linux operating system
[12:58] <deper29> yes :P
[13:01] <deper29> question, I am trying to update to a 2.6.38 kernel using this guide http://ubuntuguide.net/install-latest-kernel-2-6-37-2-6-38-in-ubuntu-10-04-from-ppa
[13:02] <deper29> but when I go to install the linux-headers, it says it couldn't find it
[13:02] <deper29> any idea why?
[13:03] <geirha> did the apt-get update complain about not getting the package list from that ppa?
[13:04] <coalwater> ls
[13:04] <coalwater> ls
[13:05] <coalwater> loool
[13:05] <coalwater> forgot im on irssi
[13:05] <geirha> ls: command not found
[13:05] <deper29> geirha: this was what I got at the end of my output http://paste.ubuntu.com/760384/
[13:06] <coalwater> lol
[13:06] <geirha> deper29: That seems to be a different ppa
[13:06] <coalwater> my netbeans broke :(
[13:07] <geirha> aww, here, you can borrow my vim
[13:07] <deper29> geirha: those are the only ones it's having troubles with
[13:08] <bobweaver> anyone know how to find out what mbr is on my machine ?
[13:08] <geirha> deper29: Then the ppa probably doesn't contain those linux-headers packages anymore. Possibly replaced with a newer version. Do a search;  apt-cache search ^linux-headers
[13:08] <coalwater> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760389/
[13:09] <deper29> I got a ton of stuff in there haha
[13:11] <deper29> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760394/
[13:12] <geirha> And which version are you currently using?  uname -r
[13:12] <deper29> 2.6.32-36-generic
[13:13] <geirha> Well, seeing as that page is close to a year old, I'm guessing the ppa just doesn't have 2.6.38-1; it's got newer versions ...
[13:13] <deper29> I could probably just do linux-headers-2.6.38-13-generic right?
[13:14] <geirha> https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages
[13:15] <geirha> Seems it only has 3.0.0 packages now
[13:15] <deper29> how do I install that?
[13:18] <geirha> Seems those newer kernels are already included in ubuntu-backports
[13:18] <deper29> ubuntu-backports?
[13:19] <geirha> !backports
[13:19] <ubot2> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[13:19] <deper29> also, I no longer have permission to read my log file in administration >> logfile viewer
[13:19] <deper29> thanks
[15:36] <s-fox> Hello.
[16:17] <coalwater> hi s-fox
[16:17] <s-fox> Hello coalwater
[17:05] <r4y> I am trying to update grub from a live cd. How do I do that?
[17:13] <coalwater> update like how ? r4y
[17:14] <coalwater> there's a nexie pixel vid for that lol
[17:16] <r4y> Sorry I was Googling
[17:16] <r4y> I tried sudo update-grub already
[17:17] <coalwater> try grub-update
[17:18] <r4y> I tried that as well
[17:18] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/760637/
[17:18] <r4y> I omitted that though
[17:18] <coalwater> o yea, u need to mount
[17:18] <r4y> I tried mounting and unmounting with Disk Utility
[17:19] <coalwater> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lod8sRb_6I this vid might help a bit lol, just do upgrade instead of install
[17:21] <r4y> Installing flash first
[17:39] <coalwater> well, i hope you figure it out r4y where ever u are , i gotta go
[19:56] <sandjkirkland> testing connection
[20:53] <ztag100> hey
[20:54] <ztag100> need some help
[23:32] <macPawns> i need some serious help
[23:33] <macPawns> my touchpad has stopped working. fresh install 11.04 i386
[23:41] <MaynardJKeenan> did it work before?
[23:41] <macPawns> yes
[23:42] <macPawns> i have installed a few times and it had issues with multitouch
[23:42] <macPawns> but then i solved that
[23:42] <macPawns> everything was hokey dorey
[23:42] <macPawns> now
[23:42] <macPawns> it stopped, not showing under xinput list
[23:42] <macPawns> having to use usb mouse
[23:43] <macPawns> i reinstalled, still nothing
[23:44] <MaynardJKeenan> because when i installed ubuntu 10.04
[23:44] <MaynardJKeenan> my touchpad on my laptop still works but i cant zoom in with it anymore or basicly place 2 fingers at a time
[23:44] <macPawns> i tried 10.04 and the wifi didn't work
[23:44] <macPawns> 11.10 same thing
[23:44] <macPawns> 11.04 seemed to work
[23:46] <macPawns> i installed java
[23:47] <macPawns> then randomly it stopped
[23:49] <macPawns> now it doesn't show under xinput list
[23:58] <macPawns> ???
[23:59] <ashams> macPawns, can you see it in /proc/bus/input/devices


[04:31] <AliTabuger7> how do you "convert" an xmodmap file to evdev?
[09:43] <mvo> seb128: what is the status of gtkbuilder btw? can glade (or something else) read/write it now? or is a converter still required?
[09:46] <seb128> mvo: glade svn is almost there now, it will be ready in jaunty
[09:46] <crevette> mvo, I think you still need to convert
[09:46] <crevette> hello there
[09:46] <seb128> lut crevette
[09:47] <mvo> ok, so nothing yet in intrepid?
[09:47] <mvo> that can do read/write natively?
[09:48] <mvo> I got a patch for update-notifier to use .ui instead of glade and if that works well I will switch the other stuff too (synaptic)
[09:48] <mvo> but I think I want native read/write before that
[09:49] <seb128> why?
[09:49] <seb128> just use the gtk converter, that's what most of GNOME do
[09:49] <seb128> that's stupid to keep a libglade dependency, using extra libs, etc just to not run the converter
[10:02] <crevette> mvo, other programs using gtkbuilder works well, I think you just need to run the converter at build time and voila?
[10:02] <crevette> s/works well/didn't run into issue/
[10:04]  * mvo nods
[10:09] <didrocks> speaking about .ui files with gtkbuilder, does someone knows if it is possible to export a tab in an another file (the goal is : you can embeeded an optional module with a dedicated tab created with glade)
[10:16] <mvo> didrocks: having that for our gnome-control-center patch would rock
[10:18] <didrocks> mvo: ok, so, if I can have have something like that for my personal project, I will let you know if I can adapt to gnome-control-center :)
[10:19] <didrocks> mvo: is the aim to suppress the right tree?
[10:19] <didrocks> left, sorry ;)
[10:20] <mvo> patching glade/ui files is anoying, so having something a "#include "mytab.ui" would make patching the stuff a whole lot easier
[10:22] <crevette> I think it is possible to load an ui to include it as a child widget in the ui
[10:23] <crevette> at least I remember having to deal with such code
[10:23] <crevette> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/GtkBuilder.html#gtk-builder-add-objects-from-file ?
[10:24] <crevette> it is what you're looking for?
[10:30] <didrocks> crevette: I will have a look right now :)
[10:31] <didrocks> crevette: excellent! gtk_builder really rocks :)
[10:31] <didrocks> thanks a lot
[10:41] <mvo> crevette: oh, nice. thanks for this link
[10:41]  * crevette knows how to read the doc, but not how to code :)
[10:41] <crevette> I should apply as API finder helper
[10:42] <crevette> happy that helps you
[10:53] <didrocks> crevette: do you have some function like !find !feature and also... easter egg ? ;)
[10:53] <crevette> gnii ?
[10:54] <crevette> ah :)
[10:54] <crevette> I'm not a bot
[10:54] <crevette> however something like a bot to find functions from a sentence would be convenient
[11:10] <mvo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/290995 <- strange, I wonder if that is releated to our gnome-network-preferences patch (also I fail to see how)
[11:19] <crevette> mvo, you can blame seb128, he is g-c-c maintainer :)
[11:20]  * seb128 slaps crevette
[11:26] <crevette> mvo, at least, i really quickly read over the code I don't see a gconf_client_get_bool (USE_PROXY_KEY ...)
[11:26] <crevette> so I would re-assign to control-center
[11:26] <crevette> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-control-center/branches/gnome-2-24/capplets/network/gnome-network-preferences.c?revision=9002&view=markup
[11:44] <didrocks>  mvo: I noticed a lot of (250 on a basic installation)
[11:44] <didrocks>  "_usr_share_...png" icon names in /usr/share/app-install/icons/. Is that
[11:44] <didrocks>  wanted? (which has more than 3000 files)
[11:45] <didrocks> (sorry, for the copy and paste from -devel, I was unsure you read it :))
[11:46] <didrocks> (and my putty at work didn't handle EOL correctly...)
[12:35] <mvo> didrocks: that should be ok,
[12:39] <didrocks> mvo: what the point of having "casual icon names" and names with "_user_share..."?
[12:39] <didrocks> what's*
[12:41] <mvo> didrocks: app-install-data has it so that gnome-app-install (and adept) can show the native icons of the applications
[12:42] <mvo> even when they are not installed
[12:43] <didrocks> mvo: and what's the difference with the other icons (in the same folder app-install) with casual names?
[12:45] <mvo> didrocks: I think it only happens if the icon comes from a non-standard location and to avoid possible name clashes in this case
[12:45] <mvo> didrocks: do you think this could/should be changed/improved?
[12:46] <didrocks> mvo: maybe, I was surprised by this name when trying to locate an png file, thinking of a bad script to set up them :)
[12:46] <didrocks> mvo: if this is to avoid name collision, this is understable
[12:47] <didrocks> mvo: the script that generate/decide which package to select and show in app-install is in the app-install package ?
[12:48] <didrocks> (I do not know how it works. Is it a list? A tag in every packages and there is a script on the server that populate a XML file before packaging gnome-app-install?)
[12:49] <mvo> didrocks: there is a script in bzr for it called "archive-crawler"
[12:50] <mvo> didrocks: it goes over all debs in the archive and checks for desktop files, then it extracts them and adds meta-data
[12:51] <didrocks> mvo: this file which lists everything is embeeded in gnome-app-intaller package or retrieved from the archives when doing an update?
[12:52] <didrocks> (I don't think this script is run in every client install, because of the load ;))
[12:53] <mvo> didrocks: all data is embedded inside "app-install-data"
[12:53] <mvo> didrocks: otherwise the load would be too high on the archive and the data is very static
[12:53] <mvo> when a release is done, we don't add/remove packages
[12:53] <didrocks> mvo: yes, I imagine :)
[12:53] <didrocks> ok
[12:53] <mvo> so its ok to have them in a package
[12:54] <didrocks> mvo: ok, I will take a look within those few days why there are those strange names, now that I have the goind pointers :)
[12:54] <didrocks> s/goind/good
[12:55] <mvo> didrocks: cool, thanks. keep me updated :)
[12:55] <didrocks> mvo: sure I will :)
[16:40]  * mpt drops a pin
[16:45] <andreasn> congrats on the new release guys
[16:45] <seb128> andreasn: thanks
[17:03] <Laney> \o/
[18:00] <james_w> mpt: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnomecc-list/2008-October/msg00006.html
[18:00] <james_w> mpt: Re: control-center discussion a few days ago
[18:00] <mpt> james_w, thanks, I saw that a couple of minutes ago :-)
[18:00] <james_w> ah, cool :-)
[18:01] <mpt> http://live.gnome.org/SystemSettings is what I've written at the moment (all research so far, no design)
[18:02] <james_w> cool
[18:04]  * mpt needs to reinstall Vista to have a closer look at how its Control Panel works
[18:42] <fta> seb128, was my debdiff bad ? (bug 251669)
[20:26] <seb128> fta: no, why?
[20:26] <seb128> fta: there is a new upstream stable version and we do upload GNOME bufix updates as stable updates
[20:26] <fta> seb128, i saw you posted another debdiff
[20:27] <fta> oh, i thought SRUs were requesting minimal changes
[20:27] <seb128> fta: that's the 2.24.1 to 2.24.2 update debdiff for the sru
[20:28] <seb128> fta: GNOME has a standing exception there too, we trust them to respect their freeze and not break things in stable updates (and verify the diff and test upgrades)
[20:28] <fta> I didn't know that.
[20:29] <seb128> now you know ;-)
[20:29] <seb128> fta: btw want to do the 1.8.2 update as an intrepid sru?
[20:29] <fta> ok
[20:29] <seb128> thanks


[00:43] <Ronnie2> Im trying to write my first lines of c code to add an indicator item to the messaging menu. Which -dev packages do i need to install. I got the following error: fatal error: messaging-menu.h: No such file or directory
[00:44] <trism> Ronnie2: libmessaging-menu-dev
[00:45] <Ronnie2> trism: E: Unable to locate package libmessaging-menu-dev (im on 12.04)
[00:45] <trism> Ronnie2: that API was added in 12.10
[00:45] <Ronnie2> oh, isn't it possible to write messaging items in 12.04?
[00:46] <trism> Ronnie2: libindicate-dev
[00:46] <infinity> It is, with a different API.
[00:47]  * infinity assumes libindicator-messages-status-provider-dev relates too, but isn't positive.
[00:48] <Ronnie2> trism: i still got the same error. Do i need to add some compiling flags and libs?
[00:49] <infinity> Ronnie2: You'll always get that error on 12.04, the API you're writing to was new in 12.10.
[00:49] <infinity> Ronnie2: You'd need to write to a different API (and include different headers) to do what you want on 12.04
[00:49] <Ronnie2> infinity: is there some documentation on the API for 12.04?
[00:50] <Ronnie2> is it this one: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/c/AppIndicator3-0.1.html
[00:50] <infinity> Ronnie2: Not sure, but the indicator-messages source package may be helpfully self-documenting.
[00:52] <infinity> Ronnie2: That looks, at first glance, more like a reference for writing new indicators (rather that writing to the messaging indicator).
[00:52] <infinity> Ronnie2: But I'm the wrong person to ask about all this.  If I knew how it all worked, I'd go fix all the stuff that broke in 12.10. :P
[07:30] <nikolam> hi, anyone have an fresh info about integrating BTRFS (and root ZFS) snapshots in upgrade process, so One automatically have older version of the system to boot to, after upgrade?


[00:59] <tsimonq2> (I'm back on IRC, yay.)
[00:59] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: It's been gone since ~ the opening of Cosmic.
[01:00] <tsimonq2> I didn't realize it was hardcoded where it was or I would have fixed it, sorry.
[03:24] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: updating ubuntu-release-upgrader to reflect that, it has a list of meta packages, would have been good
[05:11] <infinity> vorlon: Re: "Not merging because you haven't put the key in place", I verified the key was there before xnox did the MP.
[05:11] <infinity> vorlon: So if you didn't do it, who did? :)
[05:11] <vorlon> hmm did I?
[05:11] <vorlon> well I don't remember doing it :)
[05:12] <infinity> lp_publish@pepo:~$ gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-archive/gnupg-home/pubring.gpg --fingerprint 991BC93C | grep finger
[05:13] <infinity>       Key fingerprint = F6EC B376 2474 EDA9 D21B  7022 8719 20D1 991B C93C
[05:13] <infinity> Looks there to me.
[05:13] <infinity> Secret keyring last modified Sept 17.
[05:13] <infinity> Which sounds suspiciously like "the day you generated it".
[05:13] <infinity> Because it is. :)
[05:13] <vorlon> right, ok
[05:17] <infinity> (Ignore the above being pugring, I checked both)
[06:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-gcp [amd64] (cosmic-proposed) [4.18.0-1003.4]
[09:52] <xnox> vorlon, so yeah, that page has certain things out of date; and certain things not implemented.
[10:07] <xnox> vorlon, so this is the reference https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1013639
[10:07]  * xnox ponders if i should correct the bug title typo
[10:10] <xnox> vorlon, and I still agree with my last comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1013681
[10:10] <xnox> however, unlike the original proposal, this only will solve the "trust a new signing key" it will not solve "revoke compromised keys" as at the moment, we do not handle revocations at all.
[10:11] <xnox> (no gpg web of trust, or revocation testing)
[10:13] <xnox> vorlon, also whilst signing the new singing key with master key is not strictly needed; have you signed a new ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg? =) to be updated at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/
[10:14] <xnox> (despite that not used)
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