[03:46] <ZachK_> dshbusiness: what do you mean chrome doesn't work on linux
[03:46] <edbian> dshbusiness, Then you don't really use them do you>
[03:46] <imthenachoman> jrib: no they are not sir
[03:47]  * jrib agrees with edbian
[03:47] <jrib> imthenachoman: ok (that's not what you said earlier)
[03:47] <imthenachoman> edbian: i know emacs, and i do like it, but it wont work for my purposes
[03:47] <dshbusiness> ZachK_: I mean, when I visit the connection under ubuntu, both chrome and firefox said the connection was reset.
[03:47] <edbian> imthenachoman, ok
[03:47] <simple_mind> hi. anyone knows how to enable gnome-shell?
[03:47] <codebrainz> dshbusiness, that site shows up here, but i can't understand what it says
[03:48] <dshbusiness> ZachK_: But when I use chrome under windows, I can visit it straightforward.
[03:48] <codebrainz> dshbusiness, do you have internet in ubuntu?
[03:48] <dshbusiness> yes
[03:48] <dshbusiness> codebrainz: yes
[03:48] <marik> AndrewX192, echo -e "\033[3q"
[03:49] <AndrewX192> marik, that does nothing
[03:49] <marik> AndrewX192, *iff* the terminal supports that escape sequence.  man console_codes for more info
[03:49] <marik> AndrewX192, are you using gnome-terminal?
[03:49] <AndrewX192> yes
[03:49] <marik> it doesn't support that sequence
[03:49] <AndrewX192> konsole maybe?
[03:50] <GhostFreeman_> How do I add a beep to run when ubuntu starts up?
[03:50] <marik> i'd try xterm
[03:50] <codebrainz> dshbusiness, and you can visit other sites?
[03:50] <chalk> how come on ubuntu 10 my internet connection is so slow
[03:50] <thansom> hey, how can I sync video and music to my ipod touch?
[03:50] <AndrewX192> marik, doesnt work either ._.
[03:50] <marik> GhostFreeman_, in the preferences -> startup applications, tell it to run: echo -e "\007"
[03:50] <chalk> thansom: try gtkpod?
[03:50] <GhostFreeman_> ok
[03:51] <thansom> gtkpod doesnt seem to support video?
[03:51] <xangua> thansom: maybe woth banshee then
[03:51] <codebrainz> in canada, gtkpod is soon to be illegal
[03:51] <dshbusiness> codebrainz: yes. But this site http://cbt.etest.net.cn:8080, I can't visit under ubuntu.
[03:51] <qm7> ZachK_: get that?
[03:51] <chalk> hmm, i was able to do so
[03:52] <codebrainz> dshbusiness, well, firefox has never failed me.  no idea what's going on
[03:52] <codebrainz> dshbusiness, unless it's blocked in your /etc/hosts or something
[03:52] <codebrainz> not a networking guru
[03:53] <dshbusiness> codebrainz: Yes, perhaps it was my configuration's problem. I will check it. Thanks, codebrainz.
[03:53] <pegler> hi all
[03:54] <pegler> I have a quick question
[03:54] <hiexpo> !hi  pegler
[03:54] <pegler> run you run a process, it will terminate when you logout.  is there any way to let the process keep running?
[03:54] <qm7> ZachK_: HELLO
[03:54] <pegler> speciafically, I am looking to run long jobs via ssh and not have them die when I close the connection
[03:54] <hiexpo> !hi | pegler
[03:54] <jrib> !screen | pegler
[03:55] <acerimmer_> codebrainz: wth?? rly?
[03:56]  * qm7 splashes ZachK_ with bucket of ice cold water
[03:56] <codebrainz> acerimmer_, yeah, totally.  it's not like me, but some things i need a hard copy
[03:56] <edbian> Who asked about gnome-shell?
[03:57] <simple_mind> i asked :)
[03:57] <codebrainz> acerimmer_, whoah, wrong channel, sorry
[03:57] <ZachK_> qm7: excuse me but i'm doing fifty different things at once...managing a team for one and editing the wiki for another...please be patient
[03:57] <edbian> simple_mind, Did you install the package?
[03:57] <pegler3> sorry, safari reloaded on me.  just wanted to say thanks
[03:58] <simple_mind> gnome-shell? yes edbian
[03:58] <edbian> simple_mind, Did you run it yet?
[03:59] <alexandre> Someone from brazil?
[03:59] <simple_mind> edbian, yes. but didnt work. but i think I found the reason on internet. I need do disable compiz before running gnome-shell
[03:59] <edbian> simple_mind, gnome-shell is a window manager, it conflicts with compiz
[03:59] <hiexpo> !compiz
[04:00] <edbian> simple_mind, try this: gnome-shell --replace
[04:00] <simple_mind> ok. thanks edbian
[04:00] <edbian> simple_mind, That's how I got it running.  I didn't have to touch compiz (the system manually stopped it for me)
[04:00] <imthenachoman> pegler3: nohup
[04:00] <hiexpo> ouch
[04:02]  * imthenachoman gives hiexpo a band aid
[04:02] <imthenachoman> why did nobody recommend nohp? screen works but un-necessary
[04:03] <sumoduno> hi, my volume controller is not showing in the applet indicator, i tried restarting it,but it didnt work
[04:03] <jrib> imthenachoman: you mean nohup?  That's fine too.  Or you could just disown the job before logging out
[04:03] <edbian> sumoduno, What is "the applet indicator?"
[04:04] <sumoduno> edbian its in the panel
[04:04] <larry_> w how to use wpg2odg from the command line?
[04:04] <edbian> sumoduno, The volume applet is not part of the notification area
[04:04] <jrib> larry_: no idea what that is but try passing it --help, or calling « man wpg2odg » or reading the documentation in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE
[04:05] <sumoduno> edbian well it was part of the indicator applet
[04:05] <edbian> sumoduno, Pardon me, it's not part of the indicator applet it's part of the notification area applet
[04:05] <larry_> it's a converter package for converting wordperfect graphics files to openoffice draw
[04:05] <sumoduno> edbian oh i see. how do i bring it back, i just turned on my computer and it just disappeared!
[04:06] <edbian> sumoduno, Add the notification applet to your panel
[04:06] <edbian> sumoduno, I don't know why it left :P
[04:06] <sumoduno> edbian hmmmmm i did that, its not showing
[04:06] <edbian> sumoduno, mmm, odd, does the actual sound work?
[04:07] <uzer> what irc client(s) you are using??? which is best???
[04:07] <edbian> uzer, I like xchat
[04:07] <jrib> !best | uzer
[04:07] <Shodan__> Does 10.04 desktop have an activated firewall by default on a fresh install?
[04:07] <edbian> uzer, But that's a bit off topic :P
[04:07] <acerimmer_> Shodan__: no.
[04:07] <edbian> Shodan__, No
[04:07] <sumoduno> edbian actually it does. if it helps when i turned on my comp, it says that ICEauthority is mising
[04:07] <acerimmer_> uzer: chatzilla addon to ffox
[04:07] <Shodan__> thanks
[04:08] <edbian> sumoduno, I'm not sure.  I don't think I can help!  Sorry :(
[04:08] <codebrainz> Shodan__, yes, ufw
[04:08] <sumoduno> edbian ahh its ok.
[04:08] <Shodan__> Codebrainz: ufw?
[04:08] <edbian> Shodan__, no prob.  Is this machine at your home?  Do you have a router?
[04:08] <codebrainz> Shodan__, uncomplicated firewall, at least on my install
[04:08] <edbian> Shodan__, ufw is easily installed but it is not installed and running by default
[04:08] <codebrainz> Shodan__, man ufw
[04:08] <uzer> oops bot didn't like that question
[04:09] <Shodan__> yea i'm at home, trying to get ssh up and running. Ubuntu 10.04 is installed in a VM
[04:09] <codebrainz> edbian, it was on mine!?
[04:09] <codebrainz> Shodan__, ufw allow ssh
[04:09] <edbian> codeabit, tuchet, it is installed, just not running
[04:10] <edbian> codebrainz, it is installed by default, just not running
[04:10] <codebrainz> edbian, i c
[04:10] <uzer> !hello | #ubuntu-bots
[04:10] <Shodan__> thanks
[04:10] <edbian> Shodan__, ufw shouldn't be running unless you told it to.
[04:10] <Shodan__> k
[04:10] <jrib> ubottu: #ubuntu-bots is a channel that you can visit and see which irc clients people like and use
[04:10] <edbian> Shodan__, If you have a router that protects your LAN from the internet than that is acting as a firewall already.  Default behavior: all ports closed.
[04:11]  * jrib thinks it's time to go to sleep...
[04:11] <jrib> uzer: #ubuntu-bots is a channel that you can visit and see which irc clients people like and use
[04:11] <edbian> Shodan__, I don't recommend setting up firewalls on every machine in your house
[04:11] <edbian> Shodan__, Especially not on the linux ones.
[04:11] <dotblank> edbian, just because your running linux does not give an excuse to not run firewalls
[04:11] <IdeAleSs_> anyone here use a wifi tether on android 2.1 with ubuntu 10.04?  I need some help
[04:11] <codebrainz> edbian, i think he's trying to connect to a vm on his pc.
[04:11] <uzer>  join #ubuntu-bots
[04:12] <uzer> join #ubuntu-bots
[04:12] <codebrainz> Shodan__, try another network setting like Bridged or NAT (i'm not an net guy)
[04:12] <Shodan__> I got it, I was using NAT for the VM which was causing the problem
[04:13] <Shodan__> thanks for the help
[04:13] <edbian> Shodan__, awesome!
[04:13] <jimtuv> Got a quick question. What is the Maximum password length in Ubuntu 10.04?
[04:13] <edbian> jimtuv, I don't think there is one...
[04:13] <codebrainz> jimtuv, probably 256 or greater, why?
[04:14] <jimtuv> Just want a killer strong password for my admin I had an attempted intrusion
[04:15] <codebrainz> jimtuv, i think you'll be safe typing 255 characters each time :)
[04:15] <jimtuv> lol I was thinking more like 25
[04:15] <edbian> jimtuv, Use the password generator.  It generates very strong passwords.  Double it up if you're still skeptical
[04:15] <edbian> jimtuv, 25 is sooo long :)
[04:15] <codebrainz> agreed
[04:15] <codebrainz> well_laid_lawn, the first part
[04:16] <mturner> jimtuv: if possible limit the IP scope
[04:16] <edbian> jimtuv, Did they attempt to break in via ssh?
[04:16] <jimtuv> I have done that and added a 64 character passphrase to the wireless
[04:17] <edbian> jimtuv, Nice.
[04:17] <codebrainz> jimtuv, describe the incident, i'm interested
[04:17] <edbian> jimtuv, Hide the essid as well.
[04:17] <qm7> ZachK_: are you there?
[04:17] <jimtuv> all the sudden my printer printed out without any input.
[04:17] <codebrainz> jimtuv, is that it?
[04:17] <edbian> jimtuv, Some hacker with style! :)
[04:18] <mturner> hiding the essid doesnt always protect it ..that is more suceptible to different types of attacks
[04:18] <jimtuv> so I checked the router and it said a DOS attack was underway
[04:18] <kop> jimtuv, it was only ascii Pr0n ... D'Oh
[04:18] <jimtuv> I shut it down
[04:18] <dotblank> jimtuv, yikes
[04:18] <edbian> mturner, How does it make the network MORE susceptible ?
[04:18] <codebrainz> mturner, more?  i would say as succeptible, no?
[04:18] <mturner> yes agreed
[04:19] <jimtuv> Then I changed the passphrase and just for safeness all the passwords
[04:19] <codebrainz> jimtuv, my router shows non stop DOS attacks
[04:19] <jimtuv> but does your printer print out pictures of sunglasses
[04:19] <dotblank> I think its becauses some statistical reporting software counts pings as an attempted attack
[04:19] <edbian> jimtuv, Did you find out anything about them?  Did they have a dhcp address?  Did you get a hostname or an IP or anything?
[04:19] <codebrainz> jimtuv, heh, sometimes?
[04:20] <dotblank> jimtuv, That is awesome
[04:20] <kop> did the sunglasses have ... nipples ?
[04:20] <jimtuv> yes it was an aol account is sent them a abuse report
[04:20] <yshavit> has anyone here had difficulty with the clock applet? Mine was broken for a couple weeks... finally figured it out, and I don't know if it's common enough that I should report it somewhere
[04:20] <un214> does anything break if I disable sudo?
[04:20] <iWolf> un214
[04:20] <iWolf> yes
[04:20] <dotblank> un214, um yes
[04:20] <kop> jimmy51_, aol ? abuse online ?
[04:20] <edbian> un214, Youre ability to sudo...
[04:21] <un214> don't need it
[04:21] <edbian> jimtuv, Good call
[04:21] <iWolf> un214
[04:21] <iWolf> You shouldn't
[04:21] <edbian> un214, Do you have a different way to be root?
[04:21] <un214> root password
[04:21] <dotblank> un214, really its a bad idea
[04:21] <edbian> un214, Then you can safely remove it.
[04:21] <acerimmer_> un214: I wouldn't do this if I were you...
[04:21] <jimtuv> Bad bad idea un214
[04:22] <jrib> un214: most of the things in your administrator menu will break for starters...
[04:22] <cpatrick2008_> who has tried ubuntu 10.10 alpha 1 yet
[04:22] <edbian> un214, It's not a bad idea.  Lots of distros use su root  instead of sudo.  Red Hat / Fedora does for example
[04:22] <jimtuv> I set up a admin account and it has the only sudo rights everyone else cant sudo
[04:22] <un214> you know the rule about sudo in its own manual: "secure the sudoer's account like you would the root account"
[04:22] <codebrainz> yshavit, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/gnome-bugs probably
[04:22] <edbian> un214, Oooo, good point jrib The menus may phreak
[04:22] <yshavit> codeabit: alright, thanks
[04:22] <un214> huh I've never used them
[04:23] <edbian> un214, Is this a server?  Do you not have a gui ?
[04:23] <un214> yeah but I believe in using console for admin
[04:23] <edbian> un214, nice, hardcore!  Then I think you're safe.
[04:23] <jrib> un214: sudo is used in a console :/
[04:23] <edbian> un214, Obviously though, I've never done it so good luck!
[04:23] <edbian> jrib, but in the term su root can do anything sudo can do.
[04:23] <un214> you see if anybody wanted to attack sudo they'd patch bash in ram to launch the wrong sudo
[04:24] <jrib> edbian: no it can't
[04:24] <un214> but Ctrl+Alt+F1 provides a secure console
[04:24] <edbian> jrib, What can su root not do?
[04:24] <dotblank> some scripts make use of sudo so you may break them
[04:24] <jrib> edbian: sudo allows for more refined privileges for starters
[04:25] <un214> the only thing I saw that didn't like running as root was fakeroot
[04:25] <prince> hey
[04:25] <un214> (and freeciv but who cares)
[04:25] <dotblank> un214, fakeroot?
[04:25] <jrib> edbian: the converse is certainly true though.  Anything you want to do as root can be done with a sudo user with full privileges
[04:25] <edbian> jrib, more refined privileges?  I don't think that file permissions are effected at all by sudo or su root
[04:25] <jrib> edbian: you can restrict what user's can sudo
[04:26] <jrib> erm, delete the '
[04:26] <un214> fakeroot is used to fool certain scripts to thinking they have root when they don't -- e.g. the script that packages up java
[04:26] <codebrainz> dotblank, fakeroot allows a regular user do stuff only root can, iirc
[04:26] <codebrainz> or what un214 said
[04:26] <edbian> jrib, Now that's true.
[04:26] <jrib> un214: it's your system, do whatever you want.  Running all the time as root is certainly not recommended though
[04:27] <dotblank> codebrainz, un214 right but why use fakeroot when your already root
[04:27] <un214> I don't run as root all the time
[04:27] <prince> anyone having problems with the new java update?
[04:27] <edbian> un214, jrib whoa whoa.  Nobody said it's a good idea to be root all the time!
[04:27] <edbian> un214, That is a bad idea.
[04:27] <un214> I know
[04:27] <edbian> un214, k
[04:27] <kop> root root root root !
[04:27] <jrib> "the only thing I saw that didn't like running as root ..."
[04:27] <un214> jrib: you could postfix that with "that I tried"
[04:28] <jimtuv> you cant su fakeroot it only give an error Unknown id: fakeroot
[04:28] <kop> "the only thing I saw that didn't like running as root ..." was my gf's myspace account
[04:28] <edbian> fakeroot is not an account it's a shell command
[04:28] <codebrainz> heh
[04:28] <IdleOne> !ot | kop
[04:28] <edbian> kop, :D
[04:29] <un214> the only time I wish they gave you root automatically was the rescue cd
[04:29] <caty> Heya, I've been having some problems with getting my graphics tablet to work on ubuntu OS. I found this website online and was wondering if I should follow these instructions or not http://frankgroeneveld.nl/2010/04/11/get-wacom-bamboo-fun-pen-working-in-ubuntu-lucid/ . Many thanks :).
[04:29] <dotblank> un214, um they don't?
[04:29] <un214> in that particular case, requiring prefixing root commands with sudo is pointless
[04:29] <codebrainz> un214, the live cd does
[04:29] <edbian> un214, sudo is just ubuntu's way of doing it.  If they took it out than they would have inconsistency.
[04:29] <codebrainz> caty, i'm surprised it didn't work out of the box
[04:30] <edbian> un214, Like codebrainz said, you can get to a root shell in the live CD can't you?
[04:30] <dotblank> sudo isn't "just" ubuntu
[04:30] <jrib> un214: you know you can just issue « sudo -i », if typing "sudo" repeatedly is what bothers you?
[04:30] <uzer>  where do i get ruby.h, i have installed ruby-dev | jrib
[04:30] <uzer> where do i get ruby.h, i have installed ruby-dev
[04:30] <un214> jrib: no, that's not it
[04:30] <caty> codebrainz, yes i am too, as my older version of the tablet did.
[04:30] <dotblank> uzer, looks like your trying to compile from source
[04:30] <un214> jrib: I believe sudo is less secure than logging in to a secure console
[04:30] <codebrainz> caty, does wacom by chance offer a linux driver?
[04:30] <codebrainz> i never tried
[04:30] <uzer> you are right
[04:31] <jrib> un214: that's the right package
[04:31] <edbian> un214, I have seen lengthy articles about how it is not.
[04:31] <jrib> uzer: erm, why?
[04:31] <dotblank> uzer, What are you trying to compile
[04:31] <edbian> un214, That's all I'll say.
[04:31] <caty> codebrainz, no, i don't think they do
[04:31] <jrib> un214: erm, why?
[04:31] <uzer> weechat
[04:31] <SeanInSeattle> Hey all.  Any thoughts on which version of ubuntu my wife should be installing?  She's got an ASUS 1201hab (11in laptop).  Its running the atom proc.
[04:31] <jrib> uzer: weechat is in the repositories, don't compile it
[04:31] <un214> jrib: trojan can easily patch bash in ram to run its own sudo, grab the password, and have a heyday
[04:31] <un214> sure it's detectable but do you check every time?
[04:31] <codebrainz> caty, what was the model again?
[04:32] <sheerz> Sean:  There is a Ubuntu Netbook remix I believe.
[04:32] <jrib> un214: if I can easily patch X, I think you have more pressing issues....
[04:32] <un214> jrib: patch bash, not X
[04:32] <jrib> un214: oh, it's only easy to patch bash?
[04:32] <sumoduno> i have problems with the ICEauthority. when i turn on my computer, it says its missing
[04:32] <jrib> un214: I meant X as a variable
[04:32] <un214> jrib: ah
[04:33]  * jrib tries to remember that is a bad choice when dealing with linux
[04:33] <caty> codebrainz, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wacom-Bamboo-Pen-Graphics-Tablet/dp/B002Q4U4AE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275708758&sr=8-1 here's the version
[04:33] <prince> Sean I put ubuntu regular on that one .... works great
[04:33] <un214> jrib: I've patched programs in RAM to do other things then the author intended before
[04:33] <SeanInSeattle> @prince seriously?  She's having issues with it crashing.
[04:33] <dotblank> uzer, if you still want to compile it from source run sudo apt-get build-dep weechat
[04:33] <SpazStatic> Hey, could someone give me a hand fixing my resolution? I can't get it to go above 640x480 which makes it hard to do anything.
[04:34] <jrib> un214: but if you patch bash and when you login with root you use a bash shell...
[04:34] <un214> jrib: you see, patching software on disk requires admin but patching the running image can be done by attaching as a debugger
[04:34] <prince> Sean ... it has to be a newer version .... 9.10 or 10.04
[04:34] <dotblank> Sure SpazStatic. can you give me some more information like how long it has been like that.. did you make a change and it broke or was it never above that resolution
[04:34] <codebrainz> caty, if it's a new model, it might be worth straying from the xorg drivers in the repo and compiling the newest ones
[04:34] <SeanInSeattle> @prince Yep, she installed the latest, 10.04.
[04:35] <edbian> un214, Is that true?  Is it difficult?
[04:35] <jrib> un214: I don't think this is a good reason to remove sudo in favor of logging in as root.  Just keep sudo installed.  If you prefer to login as root for some tasks, that's fine
[04:35] <prince> if it is intel 8xx chipset it won't work
[04:35] <uzer> wasn't really good idea 0.5G bild deps!
[04:35] <connor> hey everybody
[04:35] <caty> codebrainz, ah okay then, thanks
[04:35] <prince> Sean if it is intel 8xx chipset it won't work
[04:35] <un214> edbian: true it's difficult but I've done it before so I can do it again. Sooner or later somebody else is going to figure it out.
[04:35] <sheerz> Sean: Just try the netbook remix.  There is a compatibility page so you can check on the support for your lappy. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks
[04:35] <jimtuv> There really is no good reason to log in as root. It is way dangerous.
[04:35] <dotblank> uzer, lots of deps,,, sure you still wan't to compile from source?
[04:35] <jrib> uzer: install weechat directly from the repositories
[04:36] <SpazStatic> dotblank : I changed monitors. I've seen this monitor at higher resolutions on other computers, so I know it can go to something more reasonable.
[04:36] <connor> since when is root dangerous?
[04:36] <edbian> un214, What kind of debugger are you using that lets you edit your programs while they're running?
[04:36] <edbian> un214, Are these programs compiled c code?
[04:37] <dotblank> ok SpazStatic can you pastebin the output of "xrandr"
[04:37] <dotblank> !pastebin
[04:37] <connor> could anybody help me with python?
[04:37] <un214> edbian: I wrote my own patching program that patched them as if they were assembly code
[04:37] <jrib> connor: it's dangerous in the sense it has the power to do dangerous things...    Sudo is no less dangerous than the root account
[04:37] <codebrainz> connor, i could, but there's #python for that
[04:37] <edbian> jimtuv, It is dangerous to be root all the time
[04:37] <jrib> connor: if it's about programming in python, #python is a better place.  Otherwise just ask your question
[04:37] <un214> shauno: easy, sudo root-command now runs ~/.trojan/sudo
[04:37] <jordy82> question to anyone who will be interested in my idea i wanna create an theme for kde/gnome for karamba and it should be created for an netbook.. easy to read mail, chat, music adn so one all on your desktop who will work with me ?
[04:38] <edbian> un214, c programs are not compiled (or running) as assembly code.  They're binary files.
[04:38] <edbian> un214, Again, what language was the program you "patched" ?
[04:38] <sheerz> Sean: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Asus Eee 1201HA
[04:38] <un214> edbian: I don't know the language that I patched. I saw it as binary code
[04:38] <edbian> un214, Does "patch" mean edit the code of the program?
[04:38] <SeanInSeattle> Sheerz:  the compat page that you linked to, is that a list of reviews where ubuntu normal / desktop was installed, or the netbook remix?
[04:38] <edbian> un214, So you changed the binary code of a program as it was running?
[04:38] <un214> edbian: yes
[04:39] <sheerz> Both.
[04:39] <edbian> un214, yes to which question?
[04:39] <codebrainz> what?
[04:39] <un214> edbian: I changed the binary code while it was running
[04:39] <SeanInSeattle> sheerz:  thx.  thats a really great link.  I appreciate it.
[04:40] <edbian> un214, So you used a debugger to gain access to the portions of the memory (ram) that you needed to edit.
[04:40] <un214> edbian: yes
[04:40] <SpazStatic> dotblank: Actually, I need to go. I'll be back later.
[04:40] <edbian> un214, What program did you use to convert your commands to binary code?
[04:40] <un214> edbian: nasm
[04:41] <dotblank> Ugh
[04:41] <codebrainz> un214, can you describe your issue again, i'm interested
[04:42] <un214> codebrainz: I was asking if anything would break if I turned off sudo. I see it as unsafe to sudo from my primary account to root in comparision to logging in as root.
[04:42] <edbian> un214, He says he can use a debugger, attach it to a running instance of sudo or bash (or any program) and live on the fly edit the binary code while the program is running.  Therefore sudo is insecure
[04:42] <edbian> un214, If you can do something like that then the entire system is insecure
[04:43] <edbian> un214, Did I get all that right?
[04:43] <un214> edbian: it's impossible to do it to processes that aren't running as you
[04:43] <codebrainz> un214, you can remove yourself from /etc/sudoers
[04:43] <edbian> un214, Unless you're running the debugger as root...
[04:43] <un214> so I modify bash to spawn a fake sudo that captures the password
[04:44] <Jordan_U> edbian: No, strace and similar programs do not work with setuid binaries. He would only be able to do that if the debugger were already running as root, in which case what's the point?
[04:44] <un214> Jordan_U: easy. trick user to providing password to trojan then trojan uses it to sudo and have fun
[04:45] <Jordan_U> edbian: NVM, I see you were making that point yourself :)
[04:45] <tau> hi, i am using ubuntu + kubunt-desktop, when i initialize the gnome the screen resolution works perfectly but when i run the kubuntu it set back to the old configuration, i looked for Xorg.conf at /etc/X11 but no there is such file. what can I do to fix it ?
[04:45] <edbian> Jordan_U, :)
[04:45] <edbian> un214, I defy you to trick me into giving you my root password.
[04:45] <manish> un214: It is an interesting topic.  I wrote it down locked it in a safe and have no clue what it is so asking wouldn't do any good ;P
[04:47] <Jordan_U> un214: True, and what's your alternative to sudo? su has the same problem. The only possible way around a trojan like that is to use alt+sysrq+k before ever logging in.
[04:47] <dewman> decontaminate? wow, that sounds like a windows issue... lol
[04:47] <un214> Jordan_U: my alternative is Ctrl+Alt+F1 yielding a console that has not been logged into
[04:48] <codebrainz> un214, tty1 is for kernel messages i think :)
[04:48] <manish> Jordan_U: can you please elaborate on alt+sysrq+k??
[04:48] <Jordan_U> un214: How do you know it hasn't been logged into? It's just as easy to mimick login as it is sudo.
[04:48] <un214> codebrainz: yeah but there's a getty ghere
[04:48] <un214> Jordan_U only if you already have root
[04:49] <un214> Jordan_U if you can walk up to my computer you can compromize it by booting CD anyway
[04:49] <edbian> un214, So your method of attaching a debugger comprimises the system how?  Really the comprise comes from the trojan...
[04:49] <codebrainz> un214, if you can get a user to "become root" the world is your oyster. so?
[04:49] <edbian> un214, If you have physical access you can set the computer on fire.
[04:49] <speiros> I am having trouble with OBM.  It seems to not work on my computer, and is stopping me from downloading other stuff.  Can someone help me to get my computer to download properly again?  Thanks.
[04:50] <un214> codebrainz: I'm willing to wait until the user wants to become root the next time around
[04:50] <kmyst> anybody know why creating an ad-hoc wireless network fails on intrepid? it used to work on gutsy...i don't use it often but need it to work now
[04:50] <codebrainz> un214, ok, so it's kinda pointless, all systems everywhere in the world on every pc will let you f it up if you have root access/physical access.  where's the challenge?
[04:50] <manish> un214: I am really interested in your code.
[04:51] <jimtuv> un214 I have use Ubuntu now for 3 years and still haven't every logged in as root. You may have a long time to wait
[04:51] <Jordan_U> un214: It kills any program running on the current tty and starts login, going through the kernel directly. Anything else can be spoofed.
[04:51] <un214> jimtuv: when's the last time you used sudo?
[04:51] <edbian> jimtuv, sudo is not a whole lot different ;)
[04:51] <jimtuv> I cant sudo from my account
[04:51] <edbian> jimtuv, How do you update your software?
[04:51] <well_laid_lawn> shouldn't this hacking accounts stuff be in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[04:52] <un214> Jordan_U: I know about alt-sysrq-k. I also know that nobody I don't trust has access to the console thanks to a locked door
[04:52] <codebrainz> well_laid_lawn, if other questions were going unanswered, yes
[04:52] <jimtuv> I have to log into the admin and let him do the update. That is why I have the 25 character login
[04:52] <well_laid_lawn> I didn't think it mattered what else was happening...
[04:53] <un214> jimtuv: then I think you're safe
[04:53] <edbian> jimtuv, Then you're logging in as root :)  It's very secure though with that password
[04:53] <codebrainz> well_laid_lawn, maybe
[04:53] <Inconis>  !
[04:53] <jimtuv> but only for a few minuets every week or so
[04:53] <well_laid_lawn> codebrainz: seen the channel topic?
[04:53] <shauno> It's an interesting theory.  I believe selinux can prohibit processes from attaching like a debugger, if you're genuinely that paranoid
[04:53] <kazagistar> I am building an application that outputs MIDI to a channel... is there some other application I can use to GET the control signals and, dunno, play sounds?
[04:54] <codebrainz> well_laid_lawn, just messin around.  seems pointless to enforce o/t when nothings happening
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> k
[04:54] <Jordan_U> un214: Even though I've taken your invalid argument having root login enabled and given you a valid one, the decrease in security from logging in as root (the human factors of it) far outway this one benefit. And without alt+sysrq+k even that advantage is gone.
[04:54] <edbian> The debugger can only attach to processes that are owned by you so no matter what code you inject you can only do things you could do normally
[04:54] <well_laid_lawn> codebrainz: just it was a boring conversation there
[04:54] <codebrainz> well_laid_lawn, agreed
[04:55] <calibre> how come some days my memory says different numbers, like some days it will say 256 of mem used and now it says 500
[04:55] <codebrainz> calibre, did you spill wine in your cpu?
[04:55] <Euthanatos> i can't help but think they shoudl have stuck with more reliable versions of integral software with an LTS
[04:56] <calibre> no
[04:56] <prince> calibre: alzhimers
[04:56] <well_laid_lawn> calibre: bad mem stick or mobo socket maybe
[04:56] <calibre> well the numbers jump
[04:56] <codebrainz> calibre, push the ram in harder, then drink the wine
[04:56] <calibre> a lot
[04:56] <calibre> .
[04:56] <un214> Jordan_U: Anyone who can reach the console can interact with the bootloader. I didn't use EFS so it's game over at that point.
[04:56] <shauno> calibre: Is it the total that's changing? Or the amount used / free
[04:56] <well_laid_lawn> calibre: or maybe the mem stick just needs reseating
[04:57] <calibre> Its like
[04:57] <calibre> the MiB is like 200 and now it just jumped to 600.
[04:57] <calibre> Mem and swap history
[04:57] <codebrainz> calibre, are you watching the 'free' command?
[04:57] <well_laid_lawn> calibre: where are you seeing that pls
[04:58] <calibre> System monitor
[04:58] <calibre> under resources
[04:58] <codebrainz> calibre, the kernel is smarter than us, she knows when to use resources better than we do.
[04:58] <calibre> i see
[04:59] <codebrainz> calibre, if you're not using it, the kernel's gonna use it
[04:59] <calibre> ah
[04:59] <calibre> so I shouldn't worry about it?
[04:59] <calibre> The numbers jump when i listen to music and stuff
[04:59] <calibre> or have multiple windows open in firefox
[04:59] <Binary0010> that is normal
[05:00] <sumoduno> how do you remove something installed by a script?
[05:00] <codebrainz> calibre, probably not, that is what happens, that's why those programs let you watch it
[05:00] <well_laid_lawn> !checkinstall | sumoduno
[05:00] <shauno> calibre: the amount used will vary depending on what you're doing.   and what you've done recently enough to be cached.  and what housekeeping is happening behind the scenes, etc
[05:00] <well_laid_lawn> sumoduno: you do it one file at a time
[05:01] <calibre> ok
[05:01] <calibre> thx
[05:01] <sumoduno> well_laid_lawn well the problem is my friend did it and it's causing problems on my computer. he used app runner to install it. the program is called vettle
[05:02] <Jordan_U> un214: There ways to exploit vulnerabilities to print to tty's you aren't on without root access. And you are making the common mistake of only thinking about security in the technological sense. Most attacks exploit wetware. By logging in as root you are making youself more vulnerable to human error, which is what you should be most concerned about.
[05:02] <pegler> hello all again
[05:02] <acerimmer_> sumoduno: two words: "Guest Session"
[05:02] <well_laid_lawn> sumoduno: I don't know that prog - you might find all the files if you can locate them with the   find   command
[05:03] <WXZ> the tomboy drop-down, it's not a launcher
[05:03] <sumoduno> well_laid_lawn i did, but nothing shows up
[05:03] <WXZ> so what is it?
[05:03] <sumoduno> well_laid_lawn i think its an add on for firefox but it doesnt show there
[05:03] <WXZ> and how do I create something similar to it
[05:03] <pegler> I am setting up a software raid using mdadm, and I keep trying to create a raid5 array with 6 2TB drives.  but in /proc/mdstat it says UUUUU_, which means one of the drives isn't being added to the array.  or does that mean one of the drives is bad?
[05:04] <codebrainz> WXZ elaborate.  which drop down, where?
[05:04] <well_laid_lawn> sumoduno: I don't know it so since it isn't a package from ubuntu and was installed by a script...
[05:04] <WXZ> on the panel which shows you all your notes
[05:04] <sumoduno> well_laid_lawn so to uninstall it i have to find the files and delete it?
[05:05] <kazagistar> does anyone know any application at all that plays "live" midi data directly from an input, as opposed to from a file?
[05:05] <well_laid_lawn> sumoduno: yep - i would start in /usr/bin
[05:05] <Binary0010> sumoduno: if it is a script you should be able to parse through and trace exactly what was done
[05:05] <codebrainz> WXZ, you want to have your program show up in the panel, with a menu?
[05:06] <WXZ> well actually I want to change the tomboy menu
[05:06] <pegler> and 1 spare
[05:06] <WXZ> but first I have to understand it to change it
[05:06] <WXZ> and in general, that's not a bad thing to know if I ever want to write an app
[05:06] <pegler> I just checked mdadm --detail md0 and it lists 5 active, 6 working, and 1 spare.  is that just because it is not entirely built yet?
[05:07] <codebrainz> WXZ, other than the configuration provided by the program, you'd have to check out the source and hack on it a bit.  It's written in C# i think, which is nice.
[05:07] <WXZ> yeah, I understand I'll need to hack the code a bit
[05:07] <brez> wow, takes longer to transfer this distro onto a USB then it did to download ;|
[05:07] <WXZ> but I don't understand, is the menu like another program or something
[05:07] <WXZ> from which you can open the tomboy interface
[05:07] <well_laid_lawn> WXZ: you can do   apt-get source application-name   to get the source if your os is set up for it
[05:07] <SwedeMike> pegler: cat /proc/mdstat instead, there you'll see what is going on.
[05:08] <WXZ> well_laid_lawn: I have the source already
[05:08] <codebrainz> WXZ, it's a gtk program that uses the notifyicon to put an icon and menu in your tray
[05:08] <WXZ> alright, so it is a seperate app
[05:09] <codebrainz> WXZ, it's likely using Gtk#
[05:09] <WXZ> so tomboy = 2 apps, the actual tomboy interface + the menu
[05:09] <codebrainz> so get monodevelop and explore the source
[05:09] <well_laid_lawn> WXZ: so you are asking how to read the programming language the source is written in?
[05:09] <Sumit> I have attached LCD tv to my laptop. But dont know how to get display on the TV.
[05:09] <WXZ> no well_laid_lawn
[05:09] <Sumit> any idea
[05:09] <WXZ> codebrainz answered it pretty much
[05:10] <WXZ> I understand what a launcher is, and what an app is.. didn't know into which category the tomboy menu fell into
[05:10] <sumoduno> well_laid_lawn i found it. thanks!
[05:10] <well_laid_lawn> !xrandr | Sumit
[05:10] <auser-user> how can I upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 without using the live cd? I tried update-manager -d but no updates/upgrades offered
[05:10] <well_laid_lawn> sumoduno: np :]
[05:11] <bastid_raZor> auser-user: ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:11] <Sumit> thanks will check the details
[05:11] <auser-user> k
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> auser-user: tried in #ubuntu+1?
[05:12] <aruntomar> i'm trying to install lucid by using the localnet+pxe method, but it gives a debootstrap error, has anyone else faced the same issue, i'm using the dvd dump+http for access it
[05:13] <Parabola> would it be safe to assume that ubuntu has an HFS driver builtin ?
[05:13] <codebrainz> aruntomar, what is the specific error?
[05:13] <codebrainz> Parabola, yes, but it may or may not be r/w
[05:13] <rww> !hfs
[05:14] <Parabola> i just need read
[05:14] <codebrainz> Parabola, you're gold then
[05:14] <Parabola> maybe not
[05:14] <Parabola> its an external that has my iphoto backup on it
[05:14] <Parabola> and my mac got wiped for win7 for a dev project :(
[05:14] <Parabola> and i cant find a backup on my freenas box
[05:14] <Parabola> years of pictures gone :(
[05:15] <codebrainz> Parabola, unless you dd the drive, the data is never gone!
[05:15] <Parabola> dd ?
[05:15] <Parabola> !dd
[05:15] <Parabola> i crashed the bot
[05:15] <codebrainz> Parabola, unless you wiped the disk, the data is still there
[05:15] <Parabola> ah yeah
[05:15] <well_laid_lawn> !info dd
[05:15] <Jordan_U> Parabola: Linux can mount hfsplus just fine. What problem are you having specifically?
[05:15] <Parabola> motor is dead i think
[05:15] <Parabola> Jordan_U,  me being a dumbass
[05:15] <Parabola> and not using my NAS
[05:16] <Parabola> and then the cheap HDD my mac used for time machines died :)
[05:16] <Parabola> i have it in the freezer now
[05:16] <aruntomar> codebrainz, Debootstrap Error  couldn't retrive package dists/lucid/main/binary-i386/Packages. This may be due to a network problem or a bad CD, depending on your installation method.
[05:16] <Parabola> i've actually had that work temp.
[05:16] <codebrainz> Parabola, linux will read your HFS disk if the motor will spin
[05:16] <Parabola> can you just spin it fast for me plz?
[05:16] <Parabola> try to get it around 7200 ;)
[05:16] <Jordan_U> Parabola: I recommend that you use ddrescue to get as much off the disk as possible, before you do more damage.
[05:17] <codebrainz> aruntomar, do you have a solid internet connection?
[05:17] <Parabola> jordan: what is that, and how will that help with a bad motor
[05:17] <punkmexic> hi anybody knows about the more secure firewall or the more secure way to avoid someone try to hack me if im using ubuntu_?
[05:17] <Jordan_U> Parabola: i.e. Don't do anything with the drive except use ddrescue (gnu ddrescue specifically, as there are two different utilities with the same name)
[05:17] <Sumit> installed XrandR, but its not listing my LCD tv
[05:18] <Parabola> !info ddrescue
[05:18] <naiad2> if I have 2 drives in my lvm, both on the same group, but only systems files on one drive.  if I remove the non system drive will it 'cause issues?
[05:18] <Jordan_U> !gddrescue | Parabola
[05:18] <bastid_raZor> punkmexic: fail2ban is nice for those ssh'ers who don't belong
[05:18] <codebrainz> Parabola, i agree totally with Jordan_U
[05:18] <aruntomar> codebrainz, i've mounted the dvd iso image and created a symlink to /var/www/ubuntu , so that i can access it via http
[05:19] <Parabola> alright
[05:19] <Parabola> i'll install it
[05:19] <Jordan_U> !info gddrescue | Parabola
[05:19] <Jordan_U> Parabola: Use the gddrescue package.
[05:19] <aruntomar> codebrainz, it boots the system, even partitions the disk properly, but in the installation of base components, it throws this error
[05:20] <codebrainz> aruntomar, it sounds like a network issue
[05:20] <jordy82> does anyone here own a asrock ion 330 ??
[05:20] <pegler> does someone have experience with mdadm?
[05:21] <Parabola> jordan please tell me it has a gui
[05:21] <Parabola> i dont know where the file i need is, i want to get it quickly
[05:21] <Parabola> itll be faster with the file names to browse in gui
[05:21] <Jordan_U> Parabola: It will first try to read the entire drive / partition without retrying (which the kernel would normally do if you mounted the partition, and which risks causing more damage). If it hits an error it logs where the error was and tries to recover that after everything else that is read without errors is recovered.
[05:22] <codebrainz> Parabola, http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gddrescue
[05:22] <jordy82> or does anybody here have an remote controll for linux i am wonder if it it possible when you update your system the remote wont work again
[05:22] <Parabola> i dont want the whole drive recovered
[05:22] <Parabola> just one bit of data
[05:23] <Jordan_U> Parabola: I recommend that you read the man page completely if this data is important to you, as it explains well the concepts of data recovery.
[05:23] <ablyss> jordy82: like a tv remote?
[05:23] <Parabola> will do :)
[05:23] <Tonisius> How can I debug my preseed/kickstart system, the append paramter is not being used:   append auto preseed/url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/lucid_x86_kickseed.cfg initrd=ubuntu/lucid/amd64/initrd.gz -- quiet
[05:23] <jordy82> ablyss yes
[05:23] <shauno> jordy82: as a rule, configuration shouldn't be touched unless absolutely necessary when updating.  so it "shouldn't" happen (unless it really has to)
[05:24] <Jordan_U> Parabola: What percentage of the data on the drive is data that you need?
[05:24] <Tonisius> but the PXE client is booting from the correct kernel, and i can cat /proc/cmdline and it shows what is appended to the kernel command, but the installer is still asking me questions....
[05:24] <codebrainz> jordy82, the program/package is lirc, google for how to configure it, might help
[05:24] <Tonisius> I am doing a tail -f on my apache log for that server, the installer never tries to download it, any ideas?
[05:24] <Parabola> jordan: less than 10
[05:24] <Parabola> its like, 700mb of photos, maybe
[05:24] <Parabola> on a 160gb drive with 100gb of data
[05:25] <Euthanatos> okay so the xrandr wiki proved to be totally useless and I'm unsure where to go next to manually set up a second display that isn't being detected or otherwise configure xorg to support my 1080p monitor
[05:25] <codebrainz> Parabola, just recover the whole disk.  you can use photorec in the testdisk package
[05:25] <aruntomar> Tonisius, use the key combination ctrl+shift+f4
[05:25] <jordy82> shauno when i update the kernel i also should reinstall my nvidia drivers so i am wondering if that can happend also to the remote
[05:25] <Tonisius> aruntomar: and what do I need to look for?
[05:25] <Tonisius> aruntomar: I don't see any errors, and its not letting me scroll up
[05:25] <ablyss> jordy82: what type of remote? hauppauge ?
[05:26] <jordy82> asrock
[05:26] <Jordan_U> Parabola: If it's not much (like 1 GIG of a 1TB drive) then you are better off trying to mount it and just grab those files, if it's a signifigant amount then your best bet is to just try to get it all with ddrescue and grab individual files out later from the image ddrescue creates (which you can mount and browse through the GUI)
[05:26] <codebrainz> jordy82, what does linux detect it as?
[05:26] <codebrainz> maybe check dmesg after re-plugging it in
[05:26] <aruntomar> Tonisius, yes, it won't let u scroll
[05:26] <jordy82> i downloaded the driver from the asrock website
[05:26] <aruntomar> Tonisius, what is the problem u r facing for which u would like to debug
[05:26] <Tonisius> aruntomar: but what could I be looking for, I see DEBUG stuff, but no ERROR or ALERT's there
[05:27] <shauno> jordy82: drivers are very tied to the kernel.  *very*.  that'll happen.  lirc isn't a driver tho.  (the driver in that case would be between the receiver and the kernel, and lirc sits between the kernel and the application.  it's on a much more stable interface)
[05:27] <jordy82> my remote works but i am just wondering if it can give trouble when i update ubuntu
[05:27] <aruntomar> Tonisius, if there r no errors, then ur setup is working fine :)
[05:28] <codebrainz> jordy82, just backup the lirc config files
[05:28] <Tonisius> but it's asking me questions, when the config I have should solve all that, the cfg file is never downloaded
[05:28] <phoenix__> where can i find the aac settings
[05:28] <jordy82> can you tell me how ?
[05:28] <brez> I downloaded ubuntu 10.4 iso from my ISP's FTP so it would be unmetered, how do I install the .iso from within 9.04
[05:28] <phoenix__> or faac settings
[05:28] <Tonisius> aruntomar: the whole point of a preseed and using the auto kernel option is that it shouldn't be asking me any questions
[05:28] <Tonisius> brez: mount it to your CDrom, and use the cdrom location as an apt-get source
[05:29] <Tonisius> and do an update, then upgrade
[05:29] <brez> ah ok
[05:29] <aruntomar> Tonisius, ok, so basically ur kickstart file is not getting used or accessed for installation
[05:29] <codebrainz> jordy82, if you haven't tweaked em, don't worry.  otherwise, a google search will reveal the location(s) of lirc config file(s)
[05:29] <Tonisius> aruntomar: correct
[05:29] <jordy82> oke thanks for your help
[05:30] <Tonisius> aruntomar: it's not getting accessed at all, I'm watching all logs that pertain to the webserver hosting it
[05:30] <Tonisius> aruntomar: I can continue the installation, and when installing packages it will obtain them from my webserver, so I know i'm watching the right place
[05:31] <Jordan_U> brez: Tonisius: You can only upgrade with the alternate CD, and only from one release to immediate next one (you can't skip directly from 9.04 to 10.04)
[05:31] <aruntomar> Tonisius, u need to insert a different line, rather than the preseed stuff, just a min, i'll tell u that
[05:31] <Tonisius> Jordan_U: oh, I missed that... sorry
[05:32] <Tonisius> i like my unmetered network connection :D
[05:32] <Jordan_U> brez: If your ISP provides unmetered isos they probably also provide unmetered repositories that you can use to upgrade (and when just normally installing packages)
[05:33] <Euthanatos> is there nowhere I can go to figure out how to support my new monitor?  Or am I just just screwed because hardware is a gamble with linux?
[05:34] <ablyss> Euthanatos: often I find out its a simple setting in the bios
[05:34] <john275> Hey guys, what's the best itunes replacement for ubuntu?
[05:34] <SwedeMike> john275: what aspect of itunes?
[05:34] <Euthanatos> bios settings for monitor support?
[05:35] <Euthanatos> it's not an IGP
[05:35] <john275> SwedeMike, well, i want podcast support. and if it looks like itunes thats  a plus
[05:35] <jordy82> john275 i use vlc
[05:35] <SwedeMike> Euthanatos: have you even mentioned what gfx card you're running?
[05:35] <SwedeMike> john275: what does "podcast" support imply?
[05:35] <Euthanatos> ATI3450HD
[05:36] <brez> Tonisius: It's saying "failed to mount cdrom"
[05:36] <SwedeMike> Euthanatos: then you should start looking in that area, "how do I get multiple monitor support on my ATI card".
[05:36] <brez> first time i type the command not using sudo, and it found the CD then gave me permission denied ;x
[05:36] <aruntomar> Tonisius, in ur text.cfg file append install=url_to_ur_kickstart_file
[05:36] <brez> tried again using sudo; no dice.
[05:36] <john275> SwedeMike, being able to subscribe to podcast feeds, hopefully support for password protected rss feeds
[05:37] <Tonisius> aruntomar: I'll try that
[05:37] <Jordan_U> john275: Rhythmbox (which is the default for Ubuntu) is pretty good. "best" is subjective.
[05:37] <Euthanatos> SwedeMike, i'm not looking for multiple mointor support i only have one 1080p monitor that i want to use i was trying to get it working as a second monitor from using my old 19" 3:4 as a failsafe because ubuntu flaked on me
[05:37] <Euthanatos> since then i just switched the VGA output and it works fine but it still can't detect this monitor to save it's life
[05:38] <SwedeMike> Euthanatos: sorry, no experience with ATI for me.
[05:38] <aruntomar> Tonisius, i'm getting debootstrap error when it tries to install the base component, r u facing anything like that
[05:38] <Euthanatos> SwedeMike, i'm pretty sure it's not an ATI issue but okay
[05:38] <Tonisius> aruntomar: no, nothing like that, and it still ignores the append options
[05:38] <Euthanatos> imm try bios settings maybe i did miss something
[05:38] <Euthanatos> bbl count on it
[05:39] <Tonisius> and I' know the kernel is getting them, because the cat /proc/cmdline shows the options for install=  and url=
[05:40] <Tonisius> oooh, I'll try saying which netcfg interface to use
[05:42] <Tonisius> aruntomar: I got the problem, and I know what it is now
[05:43] <Tonisius> I have to specify the language settings at the boot time too
[05:43] <jenue> guys, what package that can burn iso image file in ubuntu?
[05:43] <plutonium45> hi guys , does ubuntu has zenity installed by default ?
[05:46] <jimtuv> Brasero Disc Burner will burn an iso
[05:47] <vitamin-carrot> right click on your ISO file and click wright to disk if i rmeember correctly
[05:48] <john275> Hey guys, what's the best (in your opinion) itunes replacement for ubuntu?
[05:48] <Jordan_U> john275: Rhythmbox (which is the default for Ubuntu) is pretty good. "best" is subjective.
[05:48] <mobius2> greetings ubuntu channel
[05:49] <Euthanatos> i can't stand music managers personally.  but if you need ipod support john275 gtkpod doesn't support the new 5's
[05:50] <Euthanatos> so no music manager will support your ipod for a while until gtkpod catches up to apples hate
[05:50] <mobius2> can someone explain to me please how to patch an executeable file which resides inside of a crossover bottle? I can easilly browse a standard wine file system but rosetta stone won't install under wine standard......
[05:50] <ZenMasta> i ran aptitude safe-upgrade about a half hour ago and it seems to be stuck on this phase: Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.32-22 ...   what should I do?
[05:51] <mobius2> I cannot seem to be able to find the file browser for each bottle instance
[05:51] <SeanInSeattle> Hey all.  I'm having issues installing xmms.  I tried using "sudo apt-get install xmms" but that can't find the pkg that I'm requesting.  :(  I've also tried downloading the tarbal, except that when I run the .configure cmd it barks about glib, which I just installed.
[05:51] <mobius2> SeanInSeattle,  I had luck manually compiling it
[05:51] <mobius2> but my hardware is old
[05:51] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, kernel headers can be big and compression high so if your computer is old it might just take a while
[05:51] <mobius2> I think i have the installer here somewhere
[05:51] <mobius2> link i mean
[05:52] <ZenMasta> Euthanatos modern dual core cpu 3ghz with 2gb ram... so just be patient?
[05:52] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, no something is wrong, that shouldn't take oyu more than 10 or 15 minutes tops
[05:52] <mobius2> does anyone in here run crossover for any reason?
[05:52] <ZenMasta> maybe reboot and try again?
[05:52] <Euthanatos> personally i always avoid upgrades because they fail every time
[05:53] <Euthanatos> back up and reinstall imho
[05:53] <tau> hey, how can I do to remove completely the kubuntu ? i tried apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop but it still exists in here.
[05:53] <mobius2> SeanInSeattle,  why not just use vlc or another crispy native player
[05:53] <ZenMasta> its a fresh install of 10.04 but i was just followinga guide online
[05:53] <mobius2> or are you installing 2.0?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> !puregnome | tau
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. what is that pure gnome factoid..
[05:53] <SeanInSeattle> @mobius I'm used to running winamp on windows, and I saw how xmms was modeled after it.
[05:53] <vagothcpp_> Hey, i just installed ubuntu on an lvm, anyway, i go to mount my directorys, and /dev/lvm0-vg/ubuntu-root does not exist, the names are however correct
[05:53] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, why not use the standard update manager?
[05:53] <tau> Dr_Willis:  hum
[05:54] <mobius2> SeanInSeattle,  me too ;]   a long time ago
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> tau:  theres a bot factoid on  that topic. but i cant rember the package you need to remove
[05:54] <jimtuv> I have done 3 upgrades now and none have had trouble. I made sure and read the release notes first
[05:54] <tau> Dr_Willis:  ;~
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> !pure-gnome
[05:54] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, you don't want to upgrade because you don't want 10.10 (Right?)
[05:54] <vagothcpp_> anyone got an idea as to why?
[05:54] <brez> hrm not having an easy time upgrading ubuntu1
[05:54] <SeanInSeattle> @mobius so what's another "crispy native player" that would work well for my needs?  I'll need to be able to listen to shoutcast radio, play mp3s, etc...
[05:54] <brez> i should of copped the usage from my isp ;x
[05:54] <mobius2> does anyone happen to have a stylus for an m-275 gateway laying around..... I think ive lost this one for the last time
[05:54] <ZenMasta> Euthanatos just following an online guide to the letter that's all. i dont necessarily care if I upgrade or not.
[05:55] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, what guide?
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> SeanInSeattle: mosta ll the players can handle those jobs just fine
[05:55] <ZenMasta> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-ispconfig-2-p3
[05:55] <mobius2> Dr_Willis,  it's a nostalgia thing  ^_^
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> !media
[05:55] <Flare-Laptop> !dualhead
[05:55] <jimtuv> sunbird is kinda cool
[05:55] <vagothcpp_> i'll just add in there, i had to reboot into livecd again before i chroot'd but after the install
[05:55] <mobius2> and xmms was pretty kewl
[05:56] <mobius2> the new one blows the original out of the water
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> xmms was cool but always had odd quirks :)
[05:56] <mobius2> check out their new dev page
[05:56] <mobius2> if your hardware can take it
[05:56] <mobius2> Dr_Willis,  indeed
[05:57] <vagothcpp_> is there a way for me to let the livecd see the lvm volume group? and i have installed lvm2 already
[05:57] <thune3> SeanInSeattle: xmms2 is available in universe repo, but i don't know if it is the same as xmms
[05:57] <mobius2> the really weird thing is,  I used to be able to run the real winamp  in wine with only a little shakiness when  re positioning the app  gui.... but after  some updates the program cannot play music anymore :p  not worth trying
[05:57] <SeanInSeattle> @thune3 thx.
[05:57] <brez> can someone help, I have the ISO for ubuntu, I want to upgrade my 9.04 -> Lucid, I didn't download through update-manager as I'm limited by speed, so I used the free alternative on their site.
[05:58] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, sorry man that's above my tech level, has it been sitting on unpacking the kernbel for an hour and a half or you started the upgrades an hour and a half ago? you might just let it sit for a while
[05:58] <ZenMasta> Euthanatos thanks anyway but it seems the server may have crashed or somethign because I tried opening a new session and couldn't connect... guess I have to wait till I get back to the office on Monday
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> brez:  is it the Desktop cd? or the alternative cd iso file?
[05:58] <brez> desktop
[05:58] <mek8630> can anyone help me figure out why when I try to install Xubuntu it wants to play the disc live instead of install, I am trying to install on a AMD k6-3D 500mhz 192MB ram
[05:58] <Jordan_U> brez: Have you checked if they offer uncapped repositories as well?
[05:58] <jimtuv> you have to upgrade to 9.10 then 10.04
[05:58] <ZenMasta> Euthanatos it has been sitting on unpacking for about a half hour
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> brez:  well if it was the alternative cd - i THINK you could mount the iso file and upgrade from that.. but not sure about the  desktop iso
[05:58] <slide> Is there a way to make any and all files added to a directory automatically a certain UID/PID?
[05:58] <brez> Jordan_U: I work for them, they don't :P
[05:58] <vagothcpp_> Does anyone know what the problem is?
[05:59] <tau> does it work if do 'apt-get remove --purge `dpkg -l 'k*' | gawk '{ print $2 }' ` to remove all packages of kubuntu ?
[05:59] <Euthanatos> ZenMasta, yeah sounds like your server crashed or restarted after it finsihed updating the kernel
[05:59] <brez> I've tried apt-cdrom add
[05:59] <brez> but I keep getting e: "failed to mount cdrom"
[05:59] <Dr_Willis> tau:  i recall there being a much simpiler command/pacage to remove then that.
[05:59] <ZenMasta> yep. okay well thanks anyway
[05:59] <vagothcpp_> brez: apt-cdrom add or sudo apt-cdrom add?
[05:59] <tau> Dr_Willis:  yes, but i looked at google i didn't find.
[06:00] <brez> doesn't work :|
[06:00] <mobius2> media check?
[06:00] <brez> i keep getting an error.
[06:00] <thune3> tau: remove everything that starts with k? sounds drastic
[06:00] <mobius2> memory test?
[06:00] <Euthanatos> okay, i'm reinstalling....again....if that fails then it's back to slack....dependancy management be damned
[06:00] <mobius2> :D
[06:00] <wowoto> hi all    i cant extract ISO file in ubuntu , and this is the error report :  This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system  that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification.
[06:00] <vagothcpp_> tau: Hope you don't have any packages that start with 'k' that you need =P
[06:01] <tau> vagothcpp_:  lol
[06:01] <vagothcpp_> wowoto: define extract
[06:01] <tau> vagothcpp_:  yeah, it was what i thought.
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> tau:  the bot has a factoid on it.. someone will rember what it is if you ask.
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> !purekde
[06:01] <wowoto> vagothcpp_:  sorry , whats define extract
[06:01] <vagothcpp_> tau: You don't have any idea what is bugging me do you?
[06:01] <tau> Dr_Willis:  sure, i hope.
[06:01] <jimtuv> you have to burn the iso to cd then mount it
[06:01] <vagothcpp_> wowoto: I want you to define how you are extracting it
[06:01] <brez> once the .iso is mounted to disk, how can I upgrade the distro?
[06:02] <brez> I seem to have mounted it with gmount-iso.
[06:02] <mobius2> wowoto,  what are you trying to do?
[06:02] <wowoto> vagothcpp_: cilck it , choose the "extract it here"
[06:02] <vagothcpp_> wowoto: using ...
[06:02] <gtalker> hi
[06:02] <wowoto> mobius2: trying to extract the ISO
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> tau:  or just fire up the package manager searc for 'kde' and strt removing stuff.
[06:02] <mobius2> :/
[06:02] <wowoto> vagothcpp_: using what ?
[06:03] <mobius2> =P
[06:03] <vagothcpp_> this guy is hopeless
[06:03] <vagothcpp_> wtf are you using to extract it
[06:03] <wowoto> vagothcpp_: :(
[06:03] <tau> Dr_Willis:  sure, i will try it, but they will not remove all packages i guess.
[06:03] <mobius2> I think i might actually be of some help ...* maybe *
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> tau:  thats part of the limitations of the package manager system and their use of the meta-packages to install whole desktops like that.
[06:03] <FlameTai1> Anyone know of a file crypting software for Ubuntu?
[06:03] <tau> Dr_Willis:  yeah
[06:03] <FlameTai1> With a nice GUI
[06:04] <mobius2> wowoto,  how many .iso images does the program you are trying to install consist of?   or are you wanting to extract a data archive which is in an iso format?
[06:04] <Jordan_U> brez: You will need at least two alternate CD isos and some bandwidth for software not in the default install
[06:04] <wowoto> mobius2: i want to extract the windows7.ISO
[06:04] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  try true crypt
[06:04] <mobius2> melt your ram port closed :)
[06:05] <stond> Hi am new to Ubuntu and just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my PS3 and I was wondering what is a good toorent app easy to use
[06:05] <stond> I meant torrent app
[06:05] <FlameTai1> mobius2: Will try right now =]
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> wowoto:  mount the cd via the loop option. copy files from teh mounted dir to whever you want..     is one way
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> !torrents | stond
[06:05] <mek8630> stond: transmission
[06:05] <nisstyre65> stond: transmission, or rtorrent + rtorrent frontends
[06:05] <mobius2> was only joking about the RAM port thing..... reference to the cold boot attack vulnerability
[06:05] <mobius2> but damn good algo's
[06:06] <brez> F IT! I will just use update-manager!
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> stond:  there was a review of a lot of them at the webupd8 web site.  basically any of them do the basics of the job. its all about the extras you may want
[06:06] <vagothcpp_> Is there a way to 'rescan' (don't flame my terminology =P) disks so that my LVM gets recognized and i can mount it's partitions? I have LVM2 installed already
[06:06] <stond> thanks misstyres65
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> brez:  proberly a better choice. :)  Or a reinstall clean.
[06:06] <stond> which one is better transmission or rtorrent
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> stond:  depends on your needs.
[06:07] <vagothcpp_> stond: tias
[06:07] <nisstyre65> rtorrent is command line only but there are GUI frontends for it
[06:07] <bazhang> stond, rtorrent is command line
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> stond:  try them both and see. rtorrent will proberly take some learning.
[06:07] <bunnyhop> xdcc send 5
[06:07] <bunnyhop> oops
[06:07] <tau> hey, does the gnome use the alsa packages to run its system sound ?
[06:07] <mek8630> hey can anybody help me figure out why when I click to install Xubuntu it wants to run the cd live
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> stond:  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/best-linux-bittorrent-client.html
[06:07] <Parabola> mwhaha
[06:07] <Parabola> Jordan_U, you here
[06:08] <Parabola> or codebrainz
[06:08] <Parabola> so hooked into my macbook it spins up fine, on my desktops, it does not
[06:08] <stond> well I think I will go with transmission since I not that familar with command line apps yet
[06:08] <Parabola> i'm assuming power
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> mek8630:  you mean from within windows - you are installing xubuntu via the WUBI install method?
[06:08] <Parabola> so im copying data off now
[06:08] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: try running lvs, otherwise you might have to take a look at vgscan
[06:08] <rdunnion> i am having trouble getting my canon pixma mx860 to work on Lucid x64. The printer is seen but I get the error that pstocanonij failed
[06:08] <shrz> slide: isolate your directory on one filesystem. add a mount option to ext3 that makes it just stomp on the uid/gid of new files.
[06:09] <zver> quit
[06:09] <brez> I hope the update-manager doesn't screw me!
[06:09] <rdunnion> when I try to print test page
[06:09] <brez> because it's a headless box, and I don't feel like walking a monitor down stairs.
[06:09] <mek8630> Dr_Willis: no I am installing on a amd k6-3d 500mhz and 192mb ram and I have installed xubuntu on another computer no problem, well with this 500mhz computer everytime I hit install from boot it wants to run the cd live
[06:09] <slide> shrz, thats what i thought
[06:09] <mobius2> I swear to god I have the most vocal cat in the world....
[06:09] <nisstyre65> brez: forward X to your local computer
[06:09] <vagothcpp_> mount /dev/lvm0-vg/ubuntu-export /target/export gives me mount: special device /dev/lvm0-vg/ubuntu-export does not exist
[06:09] <brez> nisstyre65: ??
[06:10] <brez> I'm still connected via VNC
[06:10] <nisstyre65> brez: your problem is you can't use GUI programs because it's headless right?
[06:10] <vagothcpp_> mobius2: Does it understand you?
[06:10] <nisstyre65> oh VNC
[06:10] <nisstyre65> I thought you were on ssh
[06:10] <nisstyre65> nevermind then
[06:10] <shrz> slide: "add" meaning write a kernel mod. good luck :)
[06:10] <brez> I am, but I can still vnc to it ;o
[06:10] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: did you punch in lvs?
[06:10] <brez> made sure that was set prior to leaving it in the garage.
[06:10] <vagothcpp_> yeh
[06:10] <mobius2> vagothcpp_,  if he see's ANY emptiness in the dish ... he wails... I have to act like im adding some  but i really just stir it around
[06:10] <mobius2> =P
[06:11] <FlameTai1> mobius2: I don't see it in the Software center, I found a GUI for TrueCrypt though
[06:11] <vagothcpp_> mobius2: Tried telling him to shut up? =P
[06:11] <vagothcpp_> doesn't work for me though
[06:11] <subsume> What role will the ubuntu foundation play in the gulf oil clean-up given that tarballs are now regularly washing up on shore? They haven't released a statement and as a gulf coast resident I am outraged.
[06:11] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  one moment
[06:11] <rdunnion> mobius2 next time put in dog food, he'll stop
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> mek8630:   if you mean its booting the cd instead of the hard drive. it could be the bootloader never got installed to the HD. or the bios boot order is  wrong.
[06:11] <Docteh_> !offtopic | subsume
[06:11] <mobius2> http://www.truecrypt.org/
[06:12] <Jordan_U> brez: You can use do-release-upgrade
[06:12] <sebersole> i just finished upgrading to 10.04 (laptop) and now my external monitor is all "fuzzy"
[06:12] <subsume> I'm asking about tarballs. that's on topic.
[06:12] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | brez
[06:12] <mobius2> FlameTai1,   http://www.truecrypt.org/
[06:12] <mek8630> Dr_Willis: no I am trying to install it for the first time
[06:12] <uzer> hi | uzzr
[06:12] <FlameTai1> mobius2:  I downloaded it from there and got the tar.gz but can't figure out how to install
[06:12] <bazhang> subsume, no its not. take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:12] <brez> all good, I'll just pay for the badnwidth D:
[06:12] <mobius2> ahhh
[06:12] <mobius2> one moment
[06:12] <Dr_Willis> mek8630:  check that the cd can boot on other machines, double check the bios boot order.   is about all i can suggest.
[06:12] <subsume> I want an answer!
[06:13] <uzzr> hi | uzer
[06:13] <stond> I am also looking for a really good and easy to use app to convert rvmb file to MP4 for my PSP
[06:13] <mek8630> Dr_Willis: thanks yeah its booting fine
[06:13] <bazhang> uzzr, /msg ubottu please
[06:13] <uzer> hello | uzzr
[06:13] <vagothcpp_> Docteh_: My network is frail, once i loss connectivity i have to reboot ubuntu just to get it back, anyway, while i was chrooted into my installed ubuntu system (from livecd), i lost connectivy before i could apt-get install lvm2 on my system, so i rebooted into livecd again, installed lvm2, and went to mount and hit a brickwall at 100kmh
[06:13] <Dr_Willis> stond:  winff, or mencoder or other front ends to ffmpeg/mencoder
[06:14] <uzer> i'm from weechat-curses | uzzr
[06:14] <vagothcpp_> hello | uzzr
[06:14] <bazhang> uzer, uzzr please chat elsewhere
[06:14] <Docteh_> next time fake a reboot ;-;
[06:14] <stond> thanks Dr_willis I will try Winff tomorrow
[06:14] <vagothcpp_> Docteh_: Got any idea why i can't mount? i did lvs, pvscan
[06:14] <mek8630> stond: if you just installed Ubuntu you should already have transmission
[06:15] <vagothcpp_> no luck for me
[06:15] <uzzr> and i'm from irssi | uzer
[06:15] <bazhang> stond, handbrake as well
[06:15] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: when you run lvs is it mentioning that something is missing?
[06:15] <bazhang> !ot | uzzr uzer
[06:15] <Jordan_U> mek8630: I don't understand what you mean by "it wants to run the liveCD"? What are the symptoms of the problem you are having?
[06:15] <sebersole> forgot to mention it was perfectly fine before the upgrade :)
[06:15] <stond> what is handbrake
[06:15] <vagothcpp_> It finds the lg fine, pvscan finds the pv fine, lvscan finds the lv's fine
[06:15] <vagothcpp_> i just cannot mount
[06:15] <uzzr> does anybody else read this | uzer
[06:15] <bazhang> !handbrake | stond
[06:16] <ripps> Does anybody have Unity working on there Lucid desktop? I can't seem to get it to start, something about widget class `GtkImage' has no property named `x-ayatana-indicator-dynamic'
[06:16] <mek8630> Jordan_U: ok you know when you put a iso disc in to install Xubuntu?
[06:16] <stond> Thanks I will also try handbrake
[06:16] <uzzr> i mean this piping see only you and me??? | uzer
[06:16] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  my friend just extract that file you downloaded to the desktop
[06:16] <bazhang> uzzr, please stop it
[06:16] <mobius2> then double left click it
[06:16] <mek8630> Jordan_U: and a menu will come up and the first option will be to try xubuntu without installing
  double left click   </cod>
[06:16] <mobius2> :D
[06:16] <kinks> I have eth0 set up to use a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, but every time I boot, DHCP is used. Invoking "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" is a workaround for now.. any ideas why this is happening?
[06:17] <mek8630> Jordan_U: the second option will be to install
[06:17] <kinks> er.. as to why this is happening*
[06:17] <uzer> no i'm testing irssi vs weechat-curses
[06:17] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid and see if you've been typoing the device name
[06:17] <mobius2> pardon me FlameTai1  double left click the EXTRACTED file
[06:17] <sebersole> is there a better place to go for video/monitor issues?
[06:17] <bazhang> uzer, try #test
[06:17] <aarcane> ubuntu screwed up and decided to use nvidia 173 for my graphics card instead of nvidia current..  who do I report that to ?
[06:17] <Jordan_U> mek8630: When you boot from the CD? Then yes, I know what you are taling about.
[06:18] <mek8630> Jordan_U: well if you pick the first option it will do what I am talking about and just run the op system without installing it, if you hit install then it will install the op system, which is what I am wanting to do but itstead its just running it.
[06:18] <vagothcpp_> hmm, it shows the lv as ../../mapper/lvm0--vg-ubuntu--export
[06:18] <FlameTai1> mHm mobius2
[06:18] <FlameTai1> Already did that
[06:18] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  the  True Crypt gui launcher should appear by way of your apps drop down after that
[06:18] <mobius2> under accessories
[06:19] <mobius2> i drive it manually
[06:19] <vishnu> HI
[06:19] <mobius2> but its easy with the gui
[06:19] <mobius2> really it is
[06:19] <Jordan_U> mek8630: There is very little difference between the two options from a technical perspective, and in 10.04 you are by default given the choice after X (the GUI) has started.
[06:19] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: the /dev/vg0/logicalvolume style names is an option, maybe its accidentally off
[06:19] <mobius2> it mounts a pre defined area of hard drive space as a new drive letter
[06:19] <mobius2> a very powerful piece of software
[06:19] <mobius2> worth learning
[06:20] <vagothcpp_> Docteh_: Know how to enable it without rebooting?
[06:20] <vishnu> I am an sbolute beginner of thge linux ubuntu. how do i enable the app center ? because it says "authentication" error.. it cant be resolved by me. i  want to install stellarium but it can[t .  also for other apps in app center. itt says the  same
[06:20] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: no idea, You could just work around it and use /dev/mapper/stuff-here
[06:20] <Dr_Willis> vishnu:  you are logged in as your initial user? the one you made during the install proces?
[06:20] <uzzr> use apt-get |
[06:20] <vagothcpp_> Docteh_: That did not seem to work for me when i first tried
[06:20] <FlameTai1> mobius2: I have the GUI installed
[06:21] <mek8630> Jordan_U: yes I know what you are talking about. Being able to install once your desktop comes up. When I try to do it that way since it won't work the other way it crashes on me.
[06:21] <uzzr> use apt-get install stellarium
[06:21] <Jordan_U> mek8630: You can get the screen as you would see it in previous versions by pressing a key during early boot, but there isn't much of a reason to do that.
[06:21] <vagothcpp_> but i have ran 100's of commands so i'll try again
[06:21] <katriel> kinks: Are you using Network Manger? If so, try setting up your wired connection though that
[06:21] <FlameTai1> mobius2: I can't get the actual True Crypt itself to install
[06:21] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  now you wanna create a new volume
[06:21] <vishnu> Dr_Willis: yes.
[06:21] <mobius2> did you sudo?
[06:21] <mobius2> at install?
[06:21] <kinks> katriel: no, I am not using network manager.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> vishnu:  as a test try from a terminal 'sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME'
[06:21] <Jordan_U> mek8630: Then it will almost certainly crash with the install option also.
[06:21] <vishnu> Dr_Willis:  by computer's ubuntu has only one user and that is me.
[06:21] <FlameTai1> I never did a sudo command mobius2
[06:22] <kinks> or perhaps it's installed and I don't even realize it.
[06:22] <vagothcpp_> you know why it wasnt working and i spent 1hour smashing my keyboard
[06:22] <kinks> so I'll make sure it's not..
[06:22] <vagothcpp_> i spel ubuntu as ubuntu
[06:22] <vagothcpp_> unbuntu*
[06:22] <oblu> dont you just love this ?
[06:22] <oblu> haha!
[06:22] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  you see a true crypt icon in your accessories list?  what happens when you clik it?
[06:22] <mobius2> or is there no icon there?
[06:22] <mek8630> Jordan_U: I don't understand why its crashing. I mean well its not really crashing its generating errors and semi crashing.
[06:22] <Jordan_U> mek8630: But if you want to try it then just press any key during early boot (when you see just the accessability icon at the bottom of the screen)
[06:23] <mobius2> crash spectacularly or not at all i always say :D
[06:23] <FlameTai1> mobius2: There is no "True Crypt" Icon it's just "Easy Crypt"
[06:23] <mobius2> ahh isee
[06:23] <artistxMike> Hey sorry to interrupt, is it possible to get some help setting up my firewire audio interface?
[06:23] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: ouch, just keep in mind to look in /dev/disk/* in the future
[06:23] <Chak82> hello everyone
[06:23] <artistxMike> I don't need drivers for mac, will I have to somehow install them on my live cd?
[06:23] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  which package did you download?
[06:23] <mobius2> back at the truecrypt site?
[06:24] <artistxMike> 0.8
[06:24] <mek8630> Jordan_U: I think it has something to do with the fact its such an old computer
[06:24] <vagothcpp_> Docteh_: I was not aware of that feature, i'll keep it in mind for i waste more of my, and others time
[06:24] <look> where is grub in ubuntu 10.04?
[06:24] <vagothcpp_> Docteh_: Thanks for the help
[06:24] <Docteh_> vagothcpp_: yw
[06:24] <Chak82> how can i change the login window in ubuntu 10.04?
[06:24] <FlameTai1> mobius2: Linux Standard 32 bit (x86)
[06:24] <kinks> katriel: well, network-manager was indeed installed (and no longer is); hopefully that fixes the issue, thanks.
[06:24] <mobius2> k
[06:24] <look> where is grub in ubuntu 10.04?
[06:24] <katriel> kinks: n/p
[06:24] <Chak82> how can i change the login window in ubuntu 10.04?
[06:24] <Jordan_U> mek8630: If you have integrated graphics then you just barely don't have enough ram for the liveCD installer. Try the alternate (text based) install CD
[06:25] <bazhang> !grub2 | look check here
[06:25] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  making sure that is in fact the one you downloaded,  open a terminal and sudo up,    then start nautilus
[06:25] <vishnu> Dr_Willis: for some reason that i dont know, the app center stated that error yesterday. but it doesnt show that error today. also terminal installing works. thank for reply.
[06:25] <Jordan_U> !alternate | mek8630
[06:25] <FlameTai1> nautilus?
[06:25] <Chak82> how can i change the login window in ubuntu 10.04?
[06:25] <mobius2> find the archive you downloaded from the truecrypt site and extract it again,  REPLACE the existing one
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> vishnu:   i never use the ap center, synaptic or apt-get is what i do 90% of the time
[06:25] <Chak82> how can i change the login window in ubuntu 10.04?
[06:25] <WolfyCRO> Heloo..... I cant make login on 10.04
[06:25] <nisstyre65> Chak82: google gdm themes
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  depends on what you want to change about it.  Theres a few gdm tweak tools
[06:26] <phoenix__> any advanced users here
[06:26] <vagothcpp_> woohoo, now that i have chroot'd into my installed ubuntu, it cant resolve anything =D
[06:26] <vishnu> Dr_Willis: I am an absolute beginer.  i will use advanced tools now. where is synaptic
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  10.04 uses gdm2 - so the old gdm themed dont work
[06:26] <mek8630> Jordan_U, ubottu: I can't use this cd to switch to that one you are talking about some how?
[06:26] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  open a terminal and type sudo,  then enter your password,    then  after that  type    nautilus
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> vishnu:  in the system -> admin menus somewhere
[06:26] <Jordan_U> mek8630: No.
[06:26] <vishnu> Dr_Willis: thank. Bye, Happy day
[06:26] <g-unot> sudo rm -rf *
[06:26] <hikari> System > Administration > synaptic
[06:26] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  a file system browser named......nautilus  will appear
[06:26] <mobius2> :D
[06:26] <Chak82> actually, before version 9.10, ubuntu was become with a module (login window) in the preferences menu
[06:26] <mobius2> its awesome aint it
[06:26] <FlameTai1> Yup
[06:27] <FlameTai1> I see o-o
[06:27] <mek8630> Jordan_U: oh man figures....Alright well thanks for your help]
[06:27] <vagothcpp_> curious, even though i chroot into my target, does it still not use my livecd network connection?
[06:27] <mobius2> hehehe
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  that was the old GDM.. its now using GDM2 and has been radically redone.
[06:27] <Jordan_U> mek8630: You're welcome.
[06:27] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  re extract the archive as root  then install
[06:27] <artistxMike> Anyone think they can help me set up my Presonus Firepod firewire interface with Ardour? I think I need drivers (I didn't need them with my mac), is it even possible to install drivers onto this live cd?
[06:27] <mobius2> double click the extraced file then read everything
[06:27] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  its not as themeable/tweakable as it used to be
[06:27] <TomG> Does anyone know if it's possible to backup a list of installed packages and run that list in a new install?
[06:27] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: so, how can i change the login window in gdm2?
[06:27] <mek8630> ubottu: thanks for your help
[06:27] <sebersole> i just finished upgrading to 10.04 (laptop) and now my external monitor is all "fuzzy".  Worked fine before ugrade.  Anyone have ideas?
[06:28] <hikari> TomG
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  i asked earlier what Sort of changes do you want to do?
[06:28] <hikari> yeah
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  theres a few 3rd party tools that let you do some tweaking.
[06:28] <vagothcpp_> Would i be correct in my assumption?
[06:28] <mek8630> holy crap I just said thanks to a bot
[06:28] <Jordan_U> Chak82: https://edge.launchpad.net/gdm2setup
[06:28] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: i want to change the usplash and login window
[06:28] <hikari> TomG  :  sudo dpkg --get-selections > installedsoftware
[06:28] <mek8630> nobody say that right
[06:28] <mek8630> haha
[06:28]  * mobius2 is attempting to install Rosetta Stone German 1-5  under Crossover Pro
[06:28] <ac1dburnz> sebersole,  check the drivers System > Administrator > Hardware Drivers
[06:28] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  usplash is not used any more. its 'plymouth' now. thats not part of gdm.
[06:28] <vishaltelangre> TomG, apt-get install aptoncd
[06:29] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: i will probe this package
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  and what parts of the login window do you want to change?
[06:29] <mobius2> But I cannot seem to figure out how to  get to the  bottle instance file browser
[06:29] <sebersole> ac1dburnz: it only showed wireless driver
[06:29] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  the wallpaper is easy to change. other bits are a little harder.
[06:29] <TomG> two different answers, I think hikari is closer
[06:29] <TomG> hikari: How would I run that against apt?
[06:29] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: yeah, i want to change ONLY the wallpaper
[06:29] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: how can i change it?
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  find the default wallpaper, edit it/copy somethintg else over it.. is one way. or use that gdm2setup tool mentioned earlier
[06:30] <hikari> this command will make a file with ALL of your installed packages
[06:30] <vishaltelangre> TomG, Apt on CD allows you to make CD/DVDs of installed packages on your machine to use them on non-internet-connected machine
[06:30] <ei06094> disconnect
[06:30] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: ok, let me work with this option
[06:30] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: please wait
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  its in /usr/share/backgrounds/
[06:30] <FlameTai1> mobius2: It's still giving me the error T-T
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> Chak82:  i just copy some other image i perfer over that Ugly purple slotchy image.
[06:31] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  could you chmod your extraction folder 0777?
[06:31] <TomG> I am looking into not just knowing what packages I previously had, but to run that list all in a single command with little to no hassle
[06:31] <tau> lol
[06:31] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  lemme know if you dont follow
[06:31] <tau> Dr_Willis:  i guess i commited a mistake.
[06:31] <TomG> I suppose with apt on CD, I could create it and remove all other repositories
[06:32] <FlameTai1> mobius2:  I way don't follow xD
[06:32] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: python-gdm2setup?
[06:32] <sebersole> i have this realy nice big monitor, sure would be nice to be able to use it
[06:32] <Xcalibar> greetings all , who here is an expert with dual boot ? i have a macbook pro booting windows and mac os x , but i intend to format windows partition and have it replaced with ext4 ubuntu operating system , ive got rEIFT installed , im not sure if i have bootcamp i hope im not complicated
[06:32] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  no problem, we are going to make sure the permissions are correct for the program to be able to install
[06:32] <tau> Dr_Willis:  i looked for the dependences and recommendeds packages with dpkg -s kubuntu-desktop, later i did a script to remove all dependeces and recommendeds packages which are descrited there.
[06:32] <CppIsWeird> how do i install zlib headers?
[06:32] <mobius2> FlameTai1,  open a terminal
[06:32] <hikari> TomG to run the file just type: sudo dpkg --set-selections < installedsoftware
[06:32] <mobius2> muhahahah
[06:32] <tau> described*
[06:32] <vagothcpp_> Does apt-get download a dpkg of what i want and install it or...?
[06:33] <TomG> hikari: Thanks.  That's what I needed.
[06:33] <hikari> and will install all the packages of the file
[06:33] <FlameTai1> mobius2:  can we go into a pm? lol this text is bugging me xD
[06:33] <TomG> hikari: I appreciate it, both of you
[06:33] <mobius2> certainly
[06:33] <hikari> but u need an internet connection
[06:33] <mobius2> hit me up
[06:33] <Jordan_U> !clone | TomG
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> tau:  did you ask in #kubuntu ? they proberly rember a better way to do it.
[06:34] <vishaltelangre> TomG, you can use the CD made by Apt on CD on other machines as a offline repository, you don't need any internet connection neither to download and install packages again!
[06:35] <tau> Dr_Willis:  it doesn't need anymore, i guess my system is death.
[06:35] <TomG> I think I got it all now, thanks again for the help
[06:35] <mondragon> anyone know why 10.04 won't let me set the MTU on my ethernet interface where 9.10 did?
[06:35] <hikari> but in apt on CD what if you clean the system downloads?
[06:35] <tau> dead*
[06:35] <hikari> you can select them if they are already installed but not the .deb in the downloaded packages?
[06:36] <Xcalibar> could any1 help me with mactel?
[06:36] <mondragon> SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument :-/
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> tau:  boot to console, install  some desktop/window manager.. rebuild it better, faster, stronger
[06:36] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: it works !!!
[06:36] <Chak82> Dr_Willis: thank u so much !!!
[06:36] <tau> Dr_Willis:  yes, i will.
[06:36] <vishaltelangre> hikari, yeah... It only backups installed ones via aptitude
[06:37] <tau> thank u Dr_Willis
[06:37] <akav> I'm getting screen glitches like crazy in Lucid whenever I use vim. Anyone have an idea what might cause that?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> akav:  using vim on the console? or in a gnome-terminal?
[06:38] <akav> Dr_Willis: Actually gvim.
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> akav:  ive not noticed any issues with using vim under 10.04
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> ahh - never use gvim. so cant say
[06:38] <CppIsWeird> im trying to install zlib lib and zlib headers. i downloaded zlib and configured and installed it. the program i was trying to compile no longer asks for the lib but still cant find the zlib headers. any help please?
[06:38] <akav> oh, just got it here. Maybe not connected directly to gvim.
[06:38] <Xcalibar> kind attention to the fellow experts in ubuntu who knows or owns a mac , i really need a quick help , i havent been here since the feisty release
[06:38] <akav> just mostly see it when I'm using that.
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> CppIsWeird:  why did you not use the versions in the package manager?
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> !find zlib
[06:39] <CppIsWeird> cuz none of the packages available sounded like they would work
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> CppIsWeird:  and what are you trying to compile?
[06:41] <CppIsWeird> xen-hyperviser
[06:41] <viatech> anyone know how to enable network devices in Ubuntu Studio? I  lshw -C network and it shows both adapters as disabled?
[06:41] <silv3r_m00n> I have xp and ubuntu together , and a virus comes on xp , is there any risk that it will do anything to ubuntu ?
[06:41] <CppIsWeird> also from source
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> CppIsWeird:  you can use the apt system to 'install' the needed building dependenciues automatically
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> CppIsWeird:  since the (older?) version is in the repos. that makes it easier to get all the dev packages installed thatway
[06:42] <CppIsWeird> yeah well for whatever reason nothing could find xen_tools
[06:42] <CppIsWeird> and since no one would help me there, ive gone running head first down another path
[06:42] <CppIsWeird> so...
[06:42] <CppIsWeird> zlib headers
[06:42] <CppIsWeird> how do i get them?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> libzlcore-dev - ZLibrary cross-platform development library (development files)
[06:43] <Xcalibar> Dr_Willis have you got experience with mactel?
[06:43] <viatech> silv3r_m00n: As long as you're not emulating ubuntu inside of xp they should be seperate and it's also unlikely that your windows based virus will have any effect on Ubuntu even if it does find your files.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> assuming zlib = ZLibrary
[06:43] <CppIsWeird> from what i can tell in the output of the make install on the zlib source, it put zlib.h in the /usr/local/include
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> !find zlib.h
[06:44] <vagothcpp_> oh how helpful, AFTER ALL THIS TROBULE, it doesnt work
[06:44] <CppIsWeird> vagothcpp_, welcome to linux.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> vagothcpp_:  assume we have the attention span of a newt... we dont know what you are talking about.
[06:45] <vagothcpp_> Dr_Willis: Installed LVM to Livecd, made PV's, VG, LV's, installed ubuntu on it, livecd crashed, rebooted, rebooted livecd, installed lvm again, mounted lvm, chroot'd into it, installed lvm to that
[06:45] <vagothcpp_> and it doesnt work
[06:45] <RudyValencia> I think there's a bug in b43.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> I am reminded of why i dont use LVM's and such things :)
[06:46] <gewt> i wish my wifi cards driver didn't suck so much
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> RudyValencia:  i was thinking theres some alternative drivers now to the b43 . One of my old laptops used that one. I think it canuse the 'sta' driver now
[06:46] <vagothcpp_> This is why i was a CentOS users, built-in support for LVM so i didnt have to do all the effin around
[06:46] <gewt> it joined a network
[06:46] <gewt> pulled an ip
[06:46] <gewt> but nothing worked
[06:46] <gewt> couldn't even ping the router
[06:46] <RudyValencia> Dr_Willis: I had to use ndiswrapper to get it up.
[06:47] <Xcalibar> silv3r_m00n as for your question , i think its better to always backup ur important files in an external harddisk and save ur repository   list so you can load them for installation in ur next format if things go wrong , as for your added  repository ,  you can locate them somewere in ur ubuntu and copy that file so later on you will have your system as it was whenever you have ubuntu in a...
[06:47] <Xcalibar> ...fresh install you can load your system previous settings at its exact , for your settings in GUI theyrs a way to save your work , ask along the experts ;)
[06:47] <Logicwrath> is anyone using phplogcon and snare agents with rsyslog
[06:47] <vagothcpp_> im gonna crawl up in a hole now, goodnite
[06:47] <CppIsWeird> Dr_Willis, the apt-get install that dev package seems to have worked, however, since half of this is installed from source and the other half from package, i would still like to know how I would manually get the zlib headers in the future.
[06:48] <CppIsWeird> actually, i spoke too soon. it failed again.
[06:48] <viatech> why is "System>Preferences>Hardware Information" missing in Ubuntu Studio? I've installed it and feel like it's completely different than normal Ubuntu.
[06:48] <RudyValencia> brb
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> CppIsWeird:  In theory the following would Pullin all the needed files -->   sudo apt-get build-dep xen-hypervisor
[06:49] <RudyValencia> CppIsWeird: sudo apt-get install zlib1g-dev
[06:51] <zver_> which one is the best DE?
[06:51] <zver_> which is better gnome or kde???
[06:52] <Xcalibar> zver: depends on choice :D how old are you ;)
[06:52] <Xcalibar> zver_
[06:52] <soreau> ! best
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> zver_:  try them both. decide for yoruself
[06:53] <viatech> where is the "gnome-device-manager"?
[06:54] <viatech> or is that not installed by default?
[06:54] <vishnu> hello.. i m a absolute begginner. ijus have doubt, y ubuntu is not prone to viruses even when the source codes are avialable..
[06:54] <vishaltelangre> !find gnome-device-manager | viatech
[06:54] <sebsebseb> !virus | vishnu
[06:54] <goddard> I installed a new video card and I want to make sure I have the right drivers installed....It appears as if everything is working great..my old card was Nvidia and my new card is Nvidia and I was using the propritary drivers...thanks
[06:54] <RudyValencia> Dr_Willis: so you suggest I try Broadcom's STA driver?
[06:55] <vishaltelangre> viatech, install it w/ aptitude
[06:55] <vishnu> sebsebseb: thank u
[06:55] <sebsebseb> vishnu: Oh that factoid has changed since I last used it.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> !info hardinfo
[06:55] <Xcalibar> zver_ , an operating system is an operatinggggg way of operating a system depending on your confidence , i tried all kinds , im in love with Gnome because of flexibility , the rest are flexible but the way Gnome gives flexbility is just simple to my brain analogy , i only use 1 panel with some cool gadgets and a dock that appears as a screenlet whenever i click F4 , so whenever im on a...
[06:55] <Xcalibar> ...fullscreen app and i want to see my favirote applications i click F4 , or mouse gesture mousebutton 3.
[06:55] <viatech> vishaltelangre: what if my network devices are disabled?
[06:55] <kiamo> how do I repair bad sectors on my hard drive?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> RudyValencia:  try it and see. I just used whatever the Hardware Drivers tool suggested. I recall it having STA and some BM### entry for me. Sta worked.
[06:55] <vishnu> sebsebseb: what is it now?
[06:55] <sebsebseb> vishnu: the message the bot showed you
[06:56] <wildbat> kiamo, you don't repair them ~ to mark them and prevent system form using it
[06:56] <vishnu> sebsebseb: fine
[06:56] <goddard> anyone?
[06:56] <RudyValencia> ah
[06:56] <wildbat> kiamo, man fsck or badblocks
[06:56] <vishnu> sebsebseb:bye
[06:56] <RudyValencia> I seem to have better luck with ndiswrappwe
[06:57] <RudyValencia> * ndiswrapper
[06:57] <nomad77> RudyValencia: try this if you know how to compile an app. works fine on my bcm94311 rev 02 b43 does not
[06:57] <sebsebseb> vishnu: ok bye
[06:57] <vishaltelangre> viatech, no idea! :(
[06:57] <nomad77> RudyValencia: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php
[06:57] <RudyValencia> I do know how to compile things
[06:57] <TomG> kiamo: I believe hdparm has an option to repair bad sectors, although they suggest not using it haha
[06:57] <gewt> realtek chipsets are absolutely great.

[06:57] <RudyValencia> but I think I will use ndiswrapper until b43 stops panicking.
[06:57] <kiamo> The smart data thing picks up on them and reallocates them.  Is that good enough?  Or should I still try fsck or badblocks as you say?
[06:58] <vishnu> sebsebseb: i compiled a program in g++.. no errors.. how to viw the output.. plz tell
[06:58] <gewt> wait.
[06:58] <nomad77> RudyValencia: if your kernel updates a major version,will need to rebuild the module
[06:58] <gewt> the windows driver works properly
[06:58] <gewt> maybe ndiswrapper would work.
[06:58] <goddard> I installed a new video card and I want to make sure I have the right drivers installed....It appears as if everything is working great..my old card was Nvidia and my new card is Nvidia and I was using the propritary drivers...thanks
[06:59] <sebsebseb> vishnu: uh you said your new, and already doing stuff like that
[06:59] <sebsebseb> ?
[06:59] <vishnu> sebsebseb,  how to view the output in gcc?
[06:59] <RPG-Master> OK, why when I create a business card for my Avery paper in OpenOffice, there is allot of space on the left but none on the right? My cards end up being cut off.
[06:59] <gewt> goddard: why thank us, we did nothing!
[06:59] <vishnu> sebsebseb,  jus seein how linux rocks...
[06:59] <Xcalibar> RPG-Master you want to reset to defaults in openoffice?
[07:00] <vishnu> sebsebseb,  mind answering it , dude?
[07:00] <Xcalibar> RPG-Master i would check openoffice wiki
[07:00] <RPG-Master> Xcalibar: It can't be the settings, I've tried it both on my laptop and my other computer which I have barely touched
[07:00] <sebsebseb> vishnu: programming help isn't really Ubuntu support.  or do you mean your compiling a program from source?
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> could be wrong default settings...
[07:01] <goddard> gewt its a proactive thanks
[07:01] <gewt> lol
[07:01] <vishnu> sebsebseb, no buddy, how could i all do that when i m a begginner? jus an ordinary beginner program.. anyway thanks.
[07:02] <well_laid_lawn> vishnu: man gcc gives the options for it
[07:02] <vishnu> well_laid_lawn, thank u very much
[07:02] <Sa[i]nT> Is there a program for LED circuit layout for ubuntu?
[07:02] <RudyValencia> ndiswrapper works finr.
[07:02] <RudyValencia> *fine.
[07:02] <goddard> gewt hahahaha
[07:03] <RudyValencia> I'll use it until/unless they fix b43
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Sa[i]nT:  ages ago there was 'spice' i recall.. but not sure how a LED circuit differes from  electrical circuit
[07:03] <RudyValencia> I wonder if providing kern.log data will help
[07:03] <Sa[i]nT> Dr_Willis: Is there one for elec circuits?
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> RudyValencia:  im not sure theres much work on B43 any more. I thought it got all shifted to the STA driver
[07:03] <RudyValencia> ah
[07:03] <RudyValencia> I
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> Sa[i]nT:  fire up package manager and search. There should be some
[07:04] <RudyValencia> I've blacklisted b43 anyway
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> !info spice
[07:04] <Sa[i]nT> Dr_Willis: I am.
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. perhaps the name is different now.. been years ago
[07:04] <RudyValencia> pspice?
[07:04] <zhobbs___> anyone know what package provides the "kdb" xorg module?
[07:06] <RudyValencia> ah, I'm wrong
[07:06] <RudyValencia> it's called ngspice
[07:06] <RudyValencia> https://electronics.wiki.usu.edu/ngspice_Install <- install guide
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> !info ngspice
[07:06] <RudyValencia> Oops
[07:06] <RudyValencia> rather, https://electronics.wiki.usu.edu/ngspice%20Install
[07:06] <RudyValencia> Oh...
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> RudyValencia:  install -> sudo apt-get install ngspice       :) who needs a guide.
[07:06] <RudyValencia> There we go.
[07:07] <RudyValencia> I didn't know
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> Now actually USING it.. that may need a guide
[07:07] <kiamo> hmm, so is it a bad idea to fsck my root filesystem?
[07:07] <RudyValencia> Why doesn't Ubuntu have Blackjack anymore?
[07:07] <RudyValencia> :(
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> kiamo:  ive often booted a live cd. and fscked my fileystems befor  (when they get badly trashed)
[07:08] <viatech> !network | viatech
[07:09] <Sprunge> Hello all.
[07:10] <kiamo> Dr_Willis, Do filesystems often get trashed?  Iv been trying ubuntu periodicly for the last year and every time my fs gets trashed somehow.  Gets remounted as read only, and I have never successfully repaired it.  :(
[07:10] <kiamo> its rather discouraging :\  but I DO want to use linux instead of windows lol
[07:10] <gewt> man
[07:10] <gewt> ridiculous hacker rap is weird
[07:10] <RudyValencia> btw, I wasn't offered the Broadcom STA driver for my BCM4306 card
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> kiamo:  ive rarely had it happen.
[07:11] <kiamo> Dr_Willis, could it be these bad blocks that are causing it?
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> kiamo:  power outages while doing things is about the only time i have the issue. Or harddrive faulure
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> kiamo:  possibaly
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Hard drives are the weakest link these days it seems
[07:11] <remanifest> Does anyone know where the default Xubuntu background is located, or what it's called?  I can't find it
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> and they are rather easy to change. :)
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> remanifest:  perhaps  in /usr/share/backgrounds or /usr/share/wallpapers
[07:12] <kiamo> power outages aren't an issue for me, hasn't happened and im on a laptop anyway.  Yea I've wondered about the integrity of my hdd, however it runs perfectly fine in windows.  I don't quite believe windows is doing something better than linux... is that possible? lol
[07:12] <RudyValencia> darn gnome-games programmers removed blackjack from their package
[07:12] <RudyValencia> :(
[07:12] <RudyValencia> I want blackjack, darn it!
[07:12] <remanifest> Dr_Willis: nevermind... found it right after I sent the message
[07:12] <remanifest> thank you
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> kiamo:   if the hd is partitioned into space for wundoiws and linux. its possiuble the bad part of the HD is  allocated to the linux half.
[07:13] <Sprunge> So I screwed up installing GRUB2 during my Lucid update. Guess I should have just done a fresh install.
[07:13] <kiamo> it is
[07:13] <mobius2> I have blackjack
[07:13] <RudyValencia> oh?
[07:13] <mobius2> i think it comes installed?
[07:13] <RudyValencia> in lucid?
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> kiamo:  one of the best upgrades i did for my laptop was upgrading its HD to a faster/bigger one.. well worth the effort.
[07:13] <remanifest> Xubuntu's running great on my nb205
[07:13] <mobius2> ahhhh im just getting back in here
[07:13] <mobius2> sorry
[07:13] <RudyValencia> gnome-games doesn't install blackjack
[07:13] <RudyValencia> they removed it.
[07:13] <kiamo> however, i was using the current linux partition in windows fine too.  Although it wasn't a root partition
[07:14] <RudyValencia> I want to find a blackjack game and I don't want to play on a site like bodog
[07:14] <wildbat> kiamo, you can do a full rw scan of your hd with badblocks thou if you want.
[07:14] <mobius2> has anyone gotten one of those infra red metal webcams to work in linux?
[07:14] <mobius2> has six little IR sensors on em
[07:14] <mobius2> fine little cam
[07:14] <kiamo> the badblocks man page suggest not running badblocks, and instead running fsck though...?
[07:14] <mobius2> ill prolly have to install frikkin vmware to get it working
[07:14] <RudyValencia> oh I found something
[07:15] <RudyValencia> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ultimate-21/
[07:15] <mobius2> wewt
[07:15] <mobius2> there ya go
[07:15] <mobius2> i like my little blackjack game
[07:15] <mobius2> I think i finally got out of debt
[07:15] <wildbat> kiamo, also update the hd firmware if it have one ~ manufacture doing lousy job on firmware nowadays that can crash systems and even data lost
[07:15] <mobius2> i was down BAD
[07:15] <mobius2> for the longest
[07:16] <mobius2> then one night i got drunk nad started making crazy bets
[07:16] <Sprunge> On boot I have a single entry for Win7 that starts a different GRUB2 install which has all the normal options, yet its Win7 simply references itself apparently. So I can only boot into Ubuntu, and only by going through two GRUB2 installs. Anyone care to touch this one? Heheheh
[07:16] <mobius2> now i have almost a half a mil
[07:16] <kiamo> wildbat,  ooo good call.  Didn't think of that
[07:16] <mobius2> well its midnight fifteen in colorado
[07:16] <mobius2> good night people
[07:16] <mobius2> good luck
[07:16] <RudyValencia> mobius2: hey
[07:16] <RudyValencia> you're in CO too?
[07:16] <RudyValencia> :D
[07:16] <mobius2> indeed
[07:17] <RudyValencia> cool
[07:17] <mobius2> Fort Collins
[07:17] <RudyValencia> I'm in greeley
[07:17] <mobius2> oh wow
[07:17] <RudyValencia> close by!
[07:17] <mobius2> what are the fucking odds of that
[07:17] <dan14> is there any good reason to move from heron to lynx?
[07:17] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: Can you pastebin the output from this script: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/ ?
[07:17] <mobius2> woops
[07:17] <RudyValencia> mobius2: one in a million?
[07:17] <mobius2> well thats my night :D
[07:17] <RudyValencia> pm me real quick
[07:17] <mobius2> kk
[07:17] <sebsebseb> I found a guy once from here, that lived near me
[07:18] <karmst> Hello
[07:18] <karmst> Anyone around?
[07:18] <sebsebseb> karmst: yes
[07:18] <wildbat> karmst,  nope ~ ^^
[07:18] <karmst> So I have a question hopefull someone can help me with
[07:19] <karmst> What is the fastest file system to use for Karmic?
[07:19] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: And also the output of "debconf-show grub-pc".
[07:19] <SwedeMike> karmst: fastest for what?
[07:19] <FyreFoX> anyone familiar with luks?
[07:19] <goddard> whats the easiest way to monitor system temp
[07:19] <karmst> in reads and writes
[07:19] <SwedeMike> FyreFoX: yes.
[07:19] <rww> !lmsensors
[07:19] <FyreFoX> SwedeMike: if I don cryptsetup luksClose a device and the machine gets powered off uncleanly...
[07:20] <SwedeMike> karmst: duh, that's like answering "what is the best car?" -"for what" -"for rolling forward with"
[07:20] <karmst> basically to build a NFS server with
[07:21] <karmst> to store backupexec disk backups
[07:21] <SwedeMike> FyreFoX: was that a question?
[07:21] <SwedeMike> karmst: I personally prefer xfs for such usage.
[07:22] <FyreFoX> SwedeMike: Ok I have a luks setup using cryptsetup on a second disk right, I am wondering what the ramifications of not issuing a cryptsetup luksClose device and having the power go out, what state is that device in when I power back on ?
[07:22] <SwedeMike> FyreFoX: I've never had any problems, luksClose is as far as I know only to free the device from the OS point of view, it doesn't really write anything to the luks header.
[07:22] <FyreFoX> SwedeMike: is it locked or unlocked? potential corruption? loss of data?
[07:22] <goddard> is 31 C good for cpu?
[07:23] <dartt> there is sudden visual tearing of my display....nyone know wats hppenig...i got intel 965 series
[07:23] <SwedeMike> FyreFoX: from luks point of view, there shouldn't be any problems.
[07:23] <FyreFoX> SwedeMike: Ok, I suspected as much
[07:23] <Sprunge> Jordan_U: Here's the debconf output: http://pastebin.com/zSXU0UA0
[07:23] <SwedeMike> goddard: good for what? it's low and nice for normal operating temperature.
[07:23] <FyreFoX> SwedeMike: thanks
[07:23] <karmst> so xfs is faster the ext4
[07:23] <karmst> ?
[07:23] <karmst> than*
[07:24] <SwedeMike> karmst: again, you have to quantify what you need it for. there is no such thing as a "fs best at everything"
[07:24] <Docteh_> karmst: that probably depends on whats on the filesystem
[07:24] <karmst> well for backup and restore
[07:24] <SwedeMike> karmst: for nfs server reads and writes of large files, there isn't really any difference afaik
[07:24] <Docteh_> karmst: ext4 would be better for large files
[07:24] <FyreFoX> karmst: depends what you need it for.. ie type of setup raid, type of files big small etc etc
[07:24] <karmst> I want something that for DR will require the least amount of time for restore
[07:24] <goddard> SwedeMike I just cleaned my system of all the dust that was in it and put some new thermal paste on the CPU wanna make sure everything is working correctly
[07:24] <goddard> Also installed a new fan
[07:25] <SwedeMike> goddard: your cpu can go to 50-60 C before you really have to worry, 31C is excellent for running system.
[07:25] <Docteh_> karmst: fastest to restore one file or all files?
[07:25] <karmst> all files
[07:26] <SwedeMike> karmst: you need a few hundred megabits/s right, then all fs should work properly.
[07:26] <dartt> there is sudden visual tearing of my display....nyone know wats hppening...i got intel 965 series
[07:26] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: You should install grub to the mbr, and never to a partition. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" to get that setting correct.
[07:26] <SwedeMike> dartt: don't repeat your question without adding more information, in the last 3 minutes there really won't be anyone new who knows anything, so most likely you're not providing enough information.
[07:27] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: there are times where you want grub on a partition, so please don't use "never" in that context.
[07:27] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: You will be asked other questions, leave them at their defaults (some will be blank, that's OK).
[07:27] <Docteh_> karmst: if you're using slow disks for backups, compressed tarballs on ext4
[07:27] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: Very rarely is it ever the best solution.
[07:27] <Docteh_> i'd recommend trying a few ideas out though
[07:28] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: "best" is subjective. it's not common to do it, but there are prefectly valid scenarios to do it.
[07:28] <Sprunge> Ok, yeah the message box during the Lucid update had me clueless. I recommended installing grub to every partition if I wasn't sure what I needed. So I just chose What I thought was the MBR. *shrug*
[07:29] <zver_> how do i ssh to windows machine?
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> zver_:  install a ssh server on the windows machine...
[07:29] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: It's unreliable to install a bootloader to a partition because it requires blocklists, and I can only think of one good use case for installing grub to a partition.
[07:30] <foxmulder> zver_: putty is all you need.
[07:30] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: chain loading is perfectly good use case.
[07:30] <j0rd> i'm connecting to internet via WiFi on my laptop, can i share my internet to other computers via WiFi as well with just one wireless card?
[07:30] <kiamo> During startup, ubuntu doesn't ask me which OS to boot.  How do I enable that and add my windows partition to the list?
[07:30] <j0rd> or am i full of crazy
[07:30] <SwedeMike> j0rd: you can share it via another wifi card, yes.
[07:30] <zver_> thanks | Dr_Willis
[07:30] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: What is the use case for chainloading grub from a partition?
[07:30] <j0rd> SwedeMike: can i share it using the same wifi card?
[07:31] <foxmulder> zver_: I run WinSSHD on my Windows server and use putty to connect/manage from Linux.
[07:31] <Sprunge> Jordan_U: Hmm, the very first step asks me to verify a command line extracted from /etc/default/grub but it's just blank.
[07:31] <SwedeMike> j0rd: not easily.
[07:31] <zver_> what about telnet | Dr_Willis
[07:31] <j0rd> SwedeMike: that sounds like yes :) I assume i can createa a virtual interface or something?
[07:31] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: to havle multiple installs completely separated from each other, so you load install2's grub from install1's grub.
[07:31] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/bootinfoscript/index.php?title=Boot_Problems:Boot_Sector to get windows booting again.
[07:32] <SwedeMike> j0rd: I'm not touching that with a 100 foot pole. yes it can be done, no, I'm not going to help you.
[07:32] <Sprunge> Awesome, thanks.
[07:32] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: That is normal.
[07:32] <j0rd> SwedeMike: if you have any howtos I'll take a read. or some useful keywords for me to search on google it would be appreciated
[07:32] <j0rd> SwedeMike: ok thx
[07:32] <Sam_Fisher> Why does Grub suck so bad when it breaks?
[07:32] <Sam_Fisher> Howdy Ya'll!
[07:32] <SwedeMike> j0rd: look for masquerading, that's the term used in linux for NAT.
[07:32] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: A more reliable way to load grub2 in that case is to use "multiboot /boot/grub/core.img"
[07:32] <Docteh_> Sam_Fisher: mbr's are tiny is why
[07:32] <zver_> i tryed telnet it says `Connection refused` who refused? | Dr_Willis
[07:32] <j0rd> SwedeMike: ok
[07:33] <Docteh_> zver_: the other computer
[07:33] <Sam_Fisher> Docteh_: the area for memory?
[07:33] <foxmulder> zver_: Don't use telnet.
[07:33] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: Or rather, since you are talking about loading from grub legacy "kernel /boot/grub/core.img"
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> zver_:  You installed what ssh server to the  wineows machine?
[07:33] <aditsu_> hi, how can I install adobe flash 64bit in firefox in ubuntu?
[07:33] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: oki, I don't remember grub having that, so if grub2 has a better way, then that use case might be gone.
[07:33] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: I'm from the lilo days of mid 90ties :P
[07:33] <kiamo> aditsu_, install the ubuntu restricted extras
[07:33] <kiamo> I think.  that's what I am doing at the moment
[07:33] <kiamo> :D
[07:34] <aditsu_> kiamo: how do I do that?
[07:34] <loopool> When i run 'sudo apt-get update' in the terminal, it does everything normally and 'hits' everything, but at the end it says 'W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5A9BF3BB4E5E17B5'
[07:34] <kiamo> search for "restricted" in the ubuntu software center.  It should come up among some other stuff
[07:34] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: Correct, grub legacy can't be loaded via multiboot, so it does sometimes make sense to install grub legacy to a partition.
[07:34] <loopool> how do i fix this?
[07:34] <Docteh_> Sam_Fisher: first stage is ~400 bytes, which is enough to point somewhere but not enough to go looking for it if it moves
[07:35] <kiamo> it installs support for various video codecs, mp3, flash, java and other stuff
[07:35] <uchigo46373> i need help!!!
[07:35] <SwedeMike> loopool: try googling for the error message, I'm sure you'll find hints on how to solve it.
[07:35] <SwedeMike> !ask | uchigo46373
[07:35] <uchigo46373> i need a driver for a sony bd player
[07:35] <zver_> no have't, i cant access it | Dr_Willis
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> loopool:  you dident install a 'key' for some repo you have. thats just a warning i recall. not critical
[07:35] <uchigo46373> on my laptop
[07:36] <uchigo46373> for verson 10.4 desktop
[07:36] <aditsu_> kiamo: that seems to pull in zillions of things
[07:36] <insaneNess> Hi, I want to partition my hard drive so I can install Ubuntu side-by-side with Windows 7, and I have 150GB of free secondary memory. If I'm going to use Ubuntu for light use (creating documents, not media manipulation), how much should I give the Ubuntu partition?
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> zver_:  then you are out of luck I guess. unless you can go physically to the windiows box or some how remote in to install some services
[07:36] <SwedeMike> uchigo46373: what part of "in one line" was hard to understand?
[07:36] <Sprunge> Jordan_U: So /dev/sda rather than /dev/sda# will install it to the MBR, correct?
[07:36] <foxmulder> zver_: You'll have to setup a ssh daemon/server on the windows system before you'll be able to connect to it.
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> insaneNess:  10-20gb is Plenty for many people i find.
[07:36] <Jordan_U> Sprunge: Yes.
[07:36] <uchigo46373> sory
[07:36] <kiamo> aditsu_, it does, but on my screen ubuntu restricted extras is 4rth down the list
[07:36] <foxmulder> zver_: What about rdp?
[07:37] <mariya> !package gnome
[07:37] <insaneNess> Dr_Willis: ok, thank you so much
[07:37] <Sam_Fisher> insaneNess: 149gb
[07:37] <Sam_Fisher> insaneNess: ok maybe a little less. I use 25gb and have room to spare.
[07:38] <Sam_Fisher> insaneNess: I don't use a swap file area eaither cause I rool like that!
[07:38] <mariya> what is a command to reinstall a gnome desktop?
[07:38] <uchigo46373> what i need is drivers for a sony optiarc bd rom 5500s
[07:38] <Sam_Fisher> opps misspelling roll is not kool
[07:39] <ZonkieNut> insaneNess: Normal Ubuntu installation only took up about 3.4G on my system
[07:39] <zver_> ok, i got it first i need sneak some remote control app into winbox | Dr_Willis
[07:39] <Sam_Fisher> Docteh_: any experience with CDLinux? They say they can't build a reliable partition installer!
[07:39] <insaneNess> Sam_Fisher: I'm not comfortable with much anyway, I'm not very good with manipulating things
[07:40] <loopool> i fixed it, i just needed to download the keys from the error :)
[07:40] <foxmulder> uchigo46373: Perhaps you'll have better luck on the UbuntuForums.org instead of trolling in here. <rolls eyes>
[07:40] <insaneNess> ZonkieNut: Ok, thanks
[07:40] <mneptok> insaneNess: is this a desktop or laptop?
[07:40] <Docteh_> Sam_Fisher: first i've heard about "cdlinux"
[07:40] <insaneNess> mneptok: laptop
[07:40] <sebsebseb> mariya: Don't think there is one, whats the problem?
[07:40] <loopool> my other problem is i cant connect to my wireless network. My wireless driver is working fine; it can pick the signal up okay, it just won't let me connect. Is there a way I can manually do this in the terminal? I get no error message, it just fails.
[07:40] <uchigo46373> thanks dick
[07:40] <mneptok> insaneNess: do you want to be able to suspend or hibernate?
[07:40] <Sam_Fisher> mariya: hello friend how are things?
[07:40] <Docteh_> Sam_Fisher: extlinux might be hardier than grub
[07:41] <insaneNess> mneptok: Yes
[07:41] <mneptok> insaneNess: then you should create a swap partition of 2x the physical RAM
[07:41] <foxmulder> uchigo46373: You're welcome.
[07:41] <Blue1> i use 1.5
[07:41] <Sam_Fisher> mariya: What did you do to your desktop?
[07:42] <sebsebseb> foxmulder: already left
[07:42] <Blue1> but then otoh if it's gotta swap 2 g of ram, you're in trouble anyway
[07:42] <Docteh_> loopool: if you're using wpa the wpa supplicant handles associations and encryption, otherwise fiddle with iwconfig
[07:42] <mariya> sebsebseb, gnome does not start normally, all I see is an empty background without pannels, here is a xsession-errors file http://pastebin.com/fzf3HWuF
[07:42] <mneptok> Blue1: not when suspending or hibernating.
[07:42] <foxmulder> sebsebseb: Great. It worked.
[07:42] <mneptok> Blue1: during those time everything in physical memory is dumpoed to swap
[07:42] <Blue1> mneptok: i never do that.
[07:43] <insaneNess> mneptok: I'm not sure how to do that, would it be ok to leave out suspending/hibernating?
[07:43] <Docteh_> I have zero swap :-/
[07:43] <mneptok> insaneNess: sure.
[07:43] <loopool> Docteh_: im using WEP
[07:43] <Sam_Fisher> Zero swap rules!
[07:43] <mneptok> insaneNess: 15GB as a primary Linux system partition is probably enough for light work.
[07:43] <Blue1> Sam_Fisher: indeed
[07:43] <mneptok> Sam_Fisher: not on laptops it doesn't.
[07:43] <sebsebseb> mariya: That doesn't mean much to me.  Which version of Ubuntu?  Clean install or upgrade
[07:44] <Blue1> mneptok: my netbook has 2 g and zero swap
[07:44] <SwedeMike> I'm only using 5 gigs on my laptop, 15 gigs for / should be plenty.
[07:44] <Docteh_> loopool: disable networkmanager or wicd before you start fiddling with iwconfig. I have a cheapo access point that needs to get reset occasionally
[07:44] <Sam_Fisher> I have a 2 TB drive so what do I care? I used to partition 150GB X 4
[07:45] <SteveThing> can someone help me with mediatomb?
[07:45] <insaneNess> mneptok: Thanks, how might I create a swap partition?
[07:45] <mariya> sebsebseb, clean install, 10.04
[07:45] <loopool> Docteh_: i have no idea what iwconfig is - is that where I should be to fix the connection problem? It was working fine on Jaunty
[07:46] <mneptok> insaneNess: it's aprt of the installation procedure. create a partition, choose to use it as swap space.
[07:46] <Blue1> insaneNess: gparted
[07:46] <mariya> sebsebseb, what is the output of your: ls -l /home by the way?
[07:46] <wildbat> !swap
[07:46] <Docteh_> loopool: iwconfig is the cli tool that changes wireless settings, like the essid it should connect to/ the mode / wep key
[07:46] <Blue1> swap on/swap off reminds me of the clapper
[07:46] <Inzi1985> hello everyone
[07:47] <sebsebseb> mariya: on this computer,  I only have Ubuntu in vm, since another distro
[07:47] <Docteh_> loopool: so you could manually give the wireless card settings and see if that helps :-/
[07:47] <insaneNess> mneptok,Blue1: Thanks, would I have to create two partitions then, or will it do this in the installer?
[07:47] <Sam_Fisher> Blue1: lol
[07:47] <sebsebseb> mariya: anyway so the panels never showed properly?
[07:47] <Inzi1985> does anyone know if ubuntu supports the intel x3100 graphic card natively
[07:47] <Docteh_> mariya: network install or from the livecd
[07:47] <Sam_Fisher> Inzi1985: no we don't
[07:47] <Inzi1985> or are there proprietary drivers that need to be installed
[07:47] <SwedeMike> Inzi1985: define "natively" ?
[07:47] <Blue1> insaneNess: if you are installing linux from say the live cd there should be an option to do that - but honestly don't remember
[07:48] <kmyst> anyone use nm-applet to create an ad-hoc wireless network?  mine keeps failing...used to work back it gutsy which is when i used/needed it last
[07:48] <Sam_Fisher> Inzi1985: have you tried it yet?
[07:48] <Inzi1985> Swedemike : i belive the vga on my laptop is over heating, i have a compaq 610
[07:48] <SteveThing> i'm having some trouble getting mediatomb to start on login, can someone help me out?
[07:48] <Blue1> kmyst: what do yo mean by adhoc wireless?
[07:49] <mariya> Docteh_, why does this matter, from a livecd
[07:49] <SwedeMike> Inzi1985: what does that have to do with whether ubuntu supports it "natively" or not?
[07:49] <Sam_Fisher> Docteh_: In CDlinux they have a nice wifi program oh I mean APP that is very visual and I want it on my 10.04 what is the best wifi tool?
[07:49] <hikari> Inzi1985, have you tried the laptop-mode-tools ?
[07:49] <sebsebseb> mariya: remove the GNome .folders from home,  when in something else such as KDE,  then re install Gnome, that might work
[07:49] <Inzi1985> Sam_fisher : yes i did install ubuntu on my compaq 610, i had no problem with cpu overheating issues, coz that was the general complain, instead the area under my left wrist seem to heat up alot, and on windows 7, its ice cold
[07:49] <sebsebseb> !purekde | mariya
[07:49] <Sam_Fisher> SteveThing: dump MT
[07:49] <kmyst> Blue1: adhoc wireless is two wireless devices (i.e. laptops) in a sort of peer to peer mode
[07:49] <Inzi1985> hikari : how do i work with the laptop-mode-tools
[07:49] <mariya> sebsebseb, no, it was working well, since I have restarted after an update two day ago
[07:50] <kmyst> Blue1: no wireless router needed...if that makes sense
[07:50] <Sam_Fisher> SteveThing: Get PS3Mediaserver and don't look back!
[07:50] <insaneNess> Blue1: ok, cool - I'll see how I go installing Ubuntu, then...thanks, everyone!
[07:50] <sebsebseb> mariya: ok so the panels won't show is that the only issue or?
[07:50] <SwedeMike> Inzi1985: could be that it's running the cpu at full speed, not lowering the clock when cpu is idle?
[07:50] <mariya> !puregnome
[07:50] <Blue1> kmyst okay I don't have anything like that
[07:50] <Blue1> mariya: there's no place, like gnome!
[07:50] <jimmyz80> Heya, having a problem. just installed Gentoo alongside Ubuntu, and after i run update-grub, it seems ok, but gentoo is not present in the grub list of OS's when I reboot http://pastebin.com/052whtB0 Anyone have any suggestions?
[07:50] <SteveThing> Sam_Fisher: any particular reason?
[07:51] <Inzi1985> SwedeMike: but the fan isn't running all the time,.. cpu idles at 43 degrees, wheni run sensors
[07:51] <hikari> Inzi1985, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Laptop-mode-tools
[07:51] <kmyst> Blue1: well it is occasionally useful...just left click nm-applet and create wireless network....well that used to work, seems broken now
[07:51] <codeabit> my gnome just crashed.  I re-logged back in.  can anyone tell me the best way to gather information so I can report a bug?
[07:51] <SwedeMike> Inzi1985: then I have no idea.
[07:51] <Docteh_> 43 at the cpu isn't too bad
[07:52] <Blue1> kmyst: I have a wireless router -- i am running dd-wrt
[07:52] <mariya> sebsebseb, all I see a clean background, and nothing more, that is the issue
[07:52] <Inzi1985> Docteh_ : i know.. my cpu is fine, but the region left of the touchpad heats up alot,.. but on win7 it is cold
[07:53] <Inzi1985> SwedeMike : thanks dude
[07:53] <sebsebseb> mariya: well I guess do what I suggested before try and install something else, and then remove gnome .folders from home and that.
[07:53] <sebsebseb> mariya: or just clean install?
[07:53] <Inzi1985> hikari : thanks, i shall check it out soon
[07:53] <kmyst> Blue1: same here...but i was in a situation where no router was present and wanted to wireless network with another computer which is what adhoc is...used to work once upon a time :)
[07:54] <Docteh_> SwedeMike: set the cpu scheduler to uh, take a look what it has and try conservative maybe
[07:54] <sebsebseb> mariya: does the log in screen show?
[07:54] <Blue1> not fam with that
[07:54] <Docteh_> ....
[07:54] <Docteh_> i did that wrong
[07:54] <mariya> sebsebseb, I use autologin
[07:54] <sebsebseb> mariya: ah
[07:55] <sebsebseb> mariya: and you can't even get to the terminal and such anyway?
[07:55] <Inzi1985> Swedemike : do u think i should try and older version of ubuntu
[07:55] <Sprunge> Jordan_U: Ok, I'm in testdisk attempting to fix the Win7 boot sector now and that page says to select "BackupBS", but the closest option to that is "Rebuild BS". The other options are "Quit", "List", "Repair MFT", and "Dump". Should I rebuild it?
[07:55] <geekyogi> am using Ubuntu 10.04 on Intel i7 860 processor.. I wanna monitor the temperature of the cpu and disks..  lm-sensor doesn't detect the sensors.. any idea which kernel module or package will help me...
[07:55] <SwedeMike> Inzi1985: if you decide to, don't try older than 9.10 anyway, because then you'll run out of support soon, and you should also report it as a problem in case 9.10 works better.
[07:55] <sebsebseb> mariya: why not clean install,  obviously something has gone pretty wrong
[07:56] <sebsebseb> mariya: if you got data on there, you can access it using the Live CD, and then back up and such
[07:56] <Inzi1985> Swedemike : intel x3100 is actually this Intel GL960/GM965, do i need to install any drivers?
[07:56] <SwedeMike> geekyogi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SensorInstallHowto perhaps?
[07:56] <SwedeMike> Inzi1985: I don't know, didn't have to do anthing special with my intel 4500.
[07:57] <sebsebseb> SwedeMike: Inzi1985  well 8.04 has untill the end of April next year on the desktop
[07:57] <geekyogi> swedemike: will try
[07:57] <Docteh_> Inzi1985: see if glmatrix screen saver works is easiest test i think
[07:57] <mariya> sebsebseb, it's too complicated, and there is no guaranty, that this will not happen again, so what is the point of doing so?
[07:57] <Inzi1985> Docteh_ : it works.. no problems.. its just the heat issue i'm worried about
[07:58] <purvesh> i want to resize my image exact Pixels any Software for that in Ubuntu ?
[07:58] <sebsebseb> mariya: right, but my other idea that I am thinking at the moment, may not work either
[07:58] <bazhang> purvesh, clone?
[07:58] <Sprunge> Jordan_U: Ah, I think I found it. *crosses fingers*
[07:58] <shadyabhi> I have an NTFS partition... When I run "df" (disk free coammand), its hows as space occupied.. But. the directory which had the ost contents is empty.. Its like directory entry is deleted.. There is a "GetDataBack for NTFS" software for windows, whats the quiivalent for linux?
[07:58] <SwedeMike> purvesh: gimp is a good image editor.
[07:58] <Inzi1985> SwedeMike: i shall try and 9.10, and 8.04.. if they work properly.... i'll lodgein a complain to ubuntu
[07:59] <sebsebseb> mariya: the point is so you have a system that probably works
[07:59] <purvesh> SwedeMike, hey but it will not resize exact pixels
[07:59] <sebsebseb> mariya: updates don't normally do that kind of thing though
[07:59] <Inzi1985> SwedeMike ; Now i have to go look for my cd..
[07:59] <sebsebseb> mariya: so something else probably caused it
[07:59] <jacob_> Does anyone know of any better music players than Rhythmbox for Linux, or does anyone know of a way to actually be able to customize Rhythmbox, e.g. be able to move the status bar to the top?
[07:59] <SwedeMike> purvesh: no? It resizes by pixel count when I last tried anyway.
[07:59] <Inzi1985> SwedeMike :  i'm not a very technical person.. ahah.. so i'm quite a newbie with ubuntu
[08:00] <sebsebseb> mariya: maybe you installed a graphics card driver quite recently for example,  and something went wrong with that
[08:00] <SwedeMike> jacob_: I use audacious for playing mp3:s
[08:00] <purvesh> SwedeMike, u can try now i had tried
[08:00] <SteveThing> can someone help me with mediatomb?
[08:00] <Sereph> I don't havge the little speaker icon anymore in the top right, how can I get it back?
[08:00] <SwedeMike> purvesh: I tried yesterday and it could resize by pixel count then anyway. It could do that all the times I tried the past 5 years as well.
[08:00] <musexu> what is it
[08:01] <celeritas> Sereph, try running alsamixer in your terminal
[08:01] <mariya> sebsebseb, no, I can get a working gnome manually, by running from a tty DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-panel, nautilus and so on...
[08:01] <Inzi1985> Thanks guys for all ur help.. im gonna go install and try it out now..
[08:01] <Inzi1985> catch u soon..
[08:01] <musexu> it's my first time enter the software
[08:01] <Inzi1985> cheers
[08:01] <bazhang> !hi | musexu
[08:01] <sebsebseb> musexu: you can  use tty for some commands,  or recovery mode from the boot loader
[08:01] <purvesh> SwedeMike, i had said it resize by pixel but i want exact pixel like 192 x 192 that it cant......! :)
[08:02] <musexu> are all your guys Chinese?
[08:02] <celeritas> Sereph, it won't give you the icon back but if alsamixer fails, then there may be a problem with your drivers rather than your interface
[08:02] <sebsebseb> mariya: silly auto complete, see above :)
[08:02] <Sereph> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[08:02] <purvesh> bazhang, hey clone can resize image exactly like 192 x 192 Pixels ?
[08:02] <bazhang> !cn | musexu
[08:02] <mariya> sebsebseb, sorry?
[08:02] <SwedeMike> purvesh: I don't see why not, or you don't actually mean "resize" and mean something else.
[08:02] <sebsebseb> mariya: I just messaged wrong person
[08:02] <bazhang> musexu, /join #ubuntu-cn
[08:03] <celeritas> Sereph, try sudo alsamixer
[08:03] <Sereph> no luck
[08:03] <musexu> how to join ubuntu-cn?
[08:03] <Guest56720> wht is it ?
[08:03] <purvesh> SwedeMike, its k bro......! but i had used word exact ... anyways .. Thanx bro for info. i ll take care of my words
[08:04] <bazhang> musexu, /join #ubuntu-cn    <----type that
[08:04] <celeritas> Sereph, its failing because you don't have access to the file
[08:04] <Sprunge> Hmm, os-prober outputs "/dev/sda1:Windows 7 (loader):Windows:chain". Should ":chain" be there?
[08:04] <Sereph> celeritas: I used sudo
[08:04] <celeritas> Sereph, are you a member of the audio group?
[08:04] <musexu> how to join ubuntu-cn?
[08:04] <bazhang> musexu, I just told you
[08:04] <winston84> hello
[08:04] <bazhang> musexu, /join #ubuntu-cn
[08:04] <purvesh> winston84, hi
[08:05] <purvesh> bazhang, hey clone can resize image exactly like 192 x 192 Pixels ?
[08:05] <bazhang> purvesh, you are using GIMP? something other? what have you tried?