[04:22] <Kilos> morning all of ya awake already
[04:43] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[04:55] <TinuvaMac> good morning
[04:56] <TinuvaMac> need to reconnect quick i think
[05:14] <Symmetria> man
[05:14] <Symmetria> I hate cellular providers
[05:14] <Symmetria> so so so much
[05:14] <Symmetria> airtel keeps turning off my roaming as a "security precaution" despite me telling them a million times DONT DO THAT
[05:14] <Symmetria> and you'd think that with my average spend every month they could get it right (cause trust me, my average cellphone bill is insane)
[05:15] <Kilos> lol
[05:18] <Tinuva> have you ever disputed your bill?
[05:23] <Symmetria> tinuva heh no, my cellphone bill is legit
[05:23] <Symmetria> nothing to dispute
[05:23] <Symmetria> heh, I average around $5k USD a month on my cellphone :P
[05:23] <Tinuva> bloody hell
[05:24] <Tinuva> but it is understandable why they do it then
[05:24] <Tinuva> try and protect the customer
[05:26] <Symmetria> yeah but you'd think if a customer averages that
[05:26] <Symmetria> they would learn to track that the customer is still within his normal range
[05:48] <Tinuva> heh probably a primitive system that just has one default, and not based on the customer
[05:55] <bduk> More almal
[05:56] <Kilos> hi bduk
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[06:50] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[07:11] <Kilos> http://is.gd/OXDOma
[07:11] <Kilos> i wonder why. is it just money or do the see something in google that i dont
[07:12] <Kilos> s/the/they
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> its business
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> deal made over a drunken game of golf probably :)
[07:59] <Kilos> lol
[07:59] <Kilos> hi gremble Xethron
[07:59] <gremble> Good morning Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> Xethron: gone very quiet lately, always here but just lurks
[08:33] <charl> good morning
[08:33] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:33]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:51] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:51]  * Kilos looking at new weechat
[08:52] <gremble> Anyone here know where you can do Linux certification in South Africa and how much it costs?
[08:53] <Kilos> oh we looked at that a while back there are a couple of places
[08:53] <Kilos> lemme see if i can find monkey
[08:53] <Kilos> maybe someone else remembers too
[08:54] <Kilos> we actually started doing the courses
[08:54] <Kilos> was maybe R1500 for the exam
[08:56] <Kilos> even had a channel for lpi
[08:57] <Kilos> http://www.south-africa.lpi.org/
[08:57] <Kilos> look there maybe you will find the info you need, otherwise we wait for monkey to reply
[09:06] <inetpro> good evening
[09:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[09:25] <charl> inetpro: good evening ?!
[09:25] <charl> nono
[09:32] <inetpro> charl: is it Friday yet?
[09:34] <Kilos> hahaha the lost soul speaketh
[10:02] <gremble> Kilos: that website looks rather outdated
[10:03] <Kilos> i dont know what has been done since we abandoned trying to study for the exam gremble
[10:04] <gremble> Why did you abandon it?
[10:04] <Kilos> but i remember there were a few colleges that said they would hold the exams at the time
[10:04] <Kilos> the tutor found work somehwere else and didnt have time anymore
[10:05] <Kilos> and i gave up because i cant remember stuff
[10:05] <Kilos> same with vim and python
[10:06] <Kilos> too much new stuff in an old head with no space for anything more
[10:06] <Kilos> you can download the training manuals for your own study
[10:07] <Kilos> i could only understand the hardware sections
[10:07] <Kilos> hewhe
[10:07] <gremble> Looking for some of the manuals now. The cources are rather expensive :/ haha
[10:10] <Kilos> maaz lpi manual
[10:10] <Maaz> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[10:10] <Kilos> thats the old ones but should help yoiu find the new ones
[10:12] <Kilos> there comes a time in our lives when we must accept our limitations
[10:12] <gremble> Psh
[10:13] <Kilos> lol
[10:13] <Kilos> i need to get my blog back online so peeps can understand
[10:13] <Kilos> the old peeps here know why i sukkel
[10:15] <gremble> Struggling is half of the fun
[10:15] <gremble> I hate it when I get something right the first time
[10:20] <Kilos> lol
[10:20] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[10:20] <nlsthzn> o/
[10:21] <Kilos> i dont mind struggling gremble , peeps here help me. only i cant remember new stuff
[10:22] <Kilos> my buffers are buffed clean
[10:23] <Kilos> you should have been here with 8.10 then you would have seen
[10:25] <Kilos> the guys spoon fed me for months
[10:25] <Kilos> years
[10:26] <Kilos> ask the pro he will say ai!
[10:32] <gremble> Kilos: Have you thought about making a memory journal?
[10:33] <gremble> I can't remember everything either, so I have a book in which I write down everything I know, so that it is "remembered" physically
[10:33] <gremble> That way I only have to recall where my book is
[10:33] <gremble> instead of what is in the book
[10:34] <Kilos> lol i have books full but forget whats where so i save important things like usefull commands and so on in folders all over
[10:34] <Kilos> im much better now than back then
[10:48] <Kilos> eish modem tricks again
[11:05] <gremble> I wish I had a big blackboard to work on
[11:10] <Kilos> lol
[11:13] <gremble> These mosquitos will drive me to murder
[11:13] <gremble> I don't know who I will murder, but certainly someone
[11:17] <gremble> Apparently one day long ago Stephen Hawking had an affair with his nurse
[11:17] <gremble> ...
[11:17] <gremble> How?
[11:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> murder the mosquitoes
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> that would seem a reasonable solution
[11:19] <charl> lol inetpro
[11:28] <Kilos> hi Golynx
[11:28] <Golynx> hi Kilos
[11:28] <Kilos> what did you win now
[11:29] <Golynx> lol, just the usual gigs of data and more R500 rands airtimes :)
[11:30] <Golynx> i dont understand , this phone i won picks up 3G with cellc , but the dongle only 2G.
[11:31] <Golynx> they must have some weird configurations going on in certain devices
[11:34] <Kilos> what are the dongle specs then
[11:34] <Kilos> and if you hold the fone next to the pc is it still 3g?
[11:35] <Kilos> take the lappy outside and see then
[11:37] <Golynx> the phone is 3G everywhere, in the dongle settings only shows "Cellc (2G)" "VODA (2G) (3G)"
[11:38] <Kilos> even if yougo out with it so there is no obstrution between you and the tower?
[11:38] <Golynx> the dongle fills all the requirments for cellc 3G network specs, dunno why it not picks up 3G
[11:38] <Kilos> ask them
[11:38] <Golynx> the tower is about 200m from my house
[11:38] <Kilos> then fone them and ask
[11:39] <Kilos> or swap sims and see then
[11:39] <Golynx> i did they just said plug in a different port lol and then said its not a cellc dongle we cant help you
[11:39] <Kilos> oh ok
[11:39] <Kilos> see they want your money
[11:40] <Kilos> ask them if you can trade in some airtime for a cellc dongle
[11:40] <Golynx> yeah true
[11:40] <Golynx> lol
[11:41] <Kilos> does it show only 2g on linux as well?
[11:41] <Golynx> maybe its only fo blackberry that some special features are activated to use 3G
[11:42] <Golynx> yeah linux same
[11:42] <Kilos> eish
[11:42] <Golynx> i love the speed though , 100MB in 5-10 minutes :)
[11:43] <Golynx> so i just transfer to the pc the big file downloads
[11:43] <Golynx> 100MB usually took me 10 or more hours lol
[11:46] <Golynx> wonder if i can dl ubuntu 14.04 iso :/
[11:57] <Kilos> oh gremble if you look around outside, any pool of water is a breeding place for mozzies
[11:58] <Kilos> a couple of drops of parafin makes a leayer on top then the larvae die
[11:58] <gremble> I have overturned all the buckets, pales and every other container that I can find
[11:59] <gremble> We have a theory that those black and white ones breed in the grass
[11:59] <Kilos> yes and also in plants that can store a tiny bit of water in the leaves
[11:59] <Kilos> cut the grass short hehe
[12:00] <gremble> I live against the mountain. Do you know how long it will take to cut all that grass short?
[12:02] <gremble> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxorhynchites I should get me some of these
[12:02] <gremble> Mosquitoes that eat other mosquitoes
[12:03] <gremble> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedes_albopictus these are horrible. That wikipedia article says that you don't find them here, but those are the ones that I kill often (or ones that look very similar)
[12:07] <Kilos> also citronella oil candles work
[12:07] <Kilos> or
[12:07] <Kilos> you cab  put citronella oil in a bottle and put a whick through the lid and burn it that way
[12:08] <Kilos> cheaper than the candles i think
[12:08] <Kilos> make like a molotov cocktail
[12:08] <gremble> Thank you for reminding me
[12:08] <gremble> I have citronella and one of those candle things
[12:13] <Kilos> good luck
[12:13] <Golynx> Kilos did you not build the electronic Mosquitoes repeller
[12:14] <gremble> He wanted me to make one haha
[12:14] <Kilos> lol i told gremble to get that software signal generator but he said it is extra work to setup
[12:14] <Kilos> haha i type to slow
[12:14] <Golynx> gremble: oh ok
[12:15] <Kilos> gremble: its variable so you can move the frequency till them bugs run away
[12:17] <gremble> So much effort
[12:17] <gremble> I am already trying to avoid effort :P
[12:18] <Golynx> i did it with few a resistors, capacitors, 9v Battery, 2 PNP transistors, radio speaker... when i were smaller, but you gotta tune it in the field
[12:19] <Golynx> inside it may pop yoir ear drums lol
[12:19] <Golynx> your*
[12:32] <gremble> http://pastie.org/9734329
[12:37] <Kilos> sigh
[12:37] <Kilos> Maaz: hi
[12:37]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[12:37] <gremble> Why are you greeting the bot? :P
[12:38] <Kilos> lightning hit my cell tower and now only emergency calls
[12:38] <Kilos> and irc of course
[12:38] <Kilos> to check if im connected
[12:38] <gremble> Ouch
[12:38] <Kilos> havent you seen squirm do maaz ?
[12:39] <Golynx> Kilos you okay?
[12:39] <Kilos> ya im fine ty its just the cell tower that had a whack of light
[12:40] <Golynx> oh good, they should increase the earth on cell towers
[12:40] <Kilos> irc is my emergency use of eina tower
[12:40] <Golynx> eish, my power just went off
[12:41] <Kilos> load shedding coming again
[12:41] <Kilos> eskom reckons they are having technical probs and there is another silo thats cracked
[12:41] <Golynx> its been 2 months since here was loadshedding, guess i can t complain
[12:42] <Kilos> they have added a new wind farm a couple of weeks back
[12:42] <Kilos> 70,000 kw  i think it was
[12:43] <Kilos> now they about ready to start the solar farm that will be a couple of megawat
[12:44] <Kilos> but in the meantime maintenace on other power stations gets shelved
[12:44] <Kilos> madube should have been online already months ago
[12:44] <Kilos> madupe
[12:44] <Golynx> oh thats good to know
[12:45] <Kilos> no man it will take another year now
[12:45] <Kilos> they blew some generators
[12:45] <Kilos> starting without oil feed to turbines
[12:45] <Golynx> yeah we need more solar panels in the Karoo/Northern Cape
[12:46] <Guest18423> are there any solar generating installations that use solar panels?
[12:46] <Golynx> haha, wonder if Eskom even makes a profit
[12:46] <Kilos> nope
[12:46] <Kilos> hi Guest18423
[12:46] <Kilos> who you?
[12:47] <Kilos> oh graeme
[12:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-)
[12:47] <Kilos> hehe
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> I just found out this morning that the new solar thing that went online a while ago isn't panels, its an array of mirrors that concentrate sunlight on a spot in the centre to heat some sort of molten salt
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> that heated stuff then turns water to steam, steam powers turbine, as per normal
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> when i first heard solar I just assumed it was solar panels
[12:50] <Kilos> wow
[12:52] <Golynx> ThatGraemeGuy: oh those kinda panels
[12:52] <Golynx> we dont have an ants big enough for that beam though :/
[12:54] <Golynx> used to like the smell of roasted ants burning from the magnifying glass beam
[13:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you could somehow get to the central point where it concentrates the reflected light I imagine you'd have a pretty bad time
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/general/114169-biggest-ever-solar-power-plant-in-south-africa.html
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://i.imgur.com/pZ0Hmr7.png
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> crazy building project
[13:37]  * Kilos looks when it opens
[13:38] <Kilos> emergency internet very slow
[13:38] <Kilos> wow you collecting hey
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[13:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm going to build a massive rubik's cube
[13:38] <Kilos> i love those mining drills
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> floating in the air
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> bye all enjoy your weekend
[13:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:41] <Kilos> you too
[13:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> and enjoy your internet access :'(
[13:41] <Kilos> go safe
[13:41] <Kilos> ty
[13:41] <Kilos> ill fone them now now
[14:19] <Kilos> ai! cant fone telkom, cell says emergencies only
[14:19] <Kilos> but modem is online here with big E showing
[14:20] <Kilos> pcs and modems take priority over cwll phones looks like
[14:20] <Kilos> cell
[18:21] <inetpro> sshhh... I'm sleeping
[18:28] <Kilos> haha me too . just woke to say night all
[18:28] <Kilos> sleep tight


[08:14] <seb128> could a SRU member review the xwayland fix in the J queue?
[08:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libreoffice (focal-backports/main) [1:7.3.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo20.04.1 => 1:7.3.6-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>~bpo20.04.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[08:25] <sil2100> ...why is germinate being an ass?
[08:26] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, hello, when a new glibc upload?
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> there is that ld.so output change that broke cmake build, it was reverted upstream, it broke also nuitka and other tools
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> should we expect an upload with new git stable branch updates?
[08:31] <LocutusOfBorg> mwhudson, we need this https://sourceware.org/git/?p=glibc.git;a=commit;h=1e903124cec4492463d075c6c061a2a772db77bf
[08:48] <mwhudson> LocutusOfBorg: probably 10 days or so
[08:49] <LocutusOfBorg> ack
[08:49] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe so I just avoid fixing it
[10:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (jammy-proposed/main) [3.104ubuntu12 => 3.104ubuntu13] (core)
[11:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tableau-parm (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.2.0-6 => 0.2.0-6build0.1] (no packageset)
[11:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: zfcp-hbaapi (jammy-proposed/universe) [2.2.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.2.0-0ubuntu1.1] (no packageset)
[14:00] <Odd_Bloke> Hey folks, I'm running into some people internally who are looking at Ubuntu's docs and confused about when bionic stops receiving free security updates: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases refers to "End of Standard Support" and "End of Life", but those terms are not defined anywhere therein.  I feel like a couple of sentences could help clarify that, but the page is immutable so I can't add them
[14:00] <Odd_Bloke> myself.
[14:10] <rbasak> Odd_Bloke: sorry, I don't want to touch that as the wording there was very carefully thought out AIUI. Does the section below under "Extended Security Maintenance" not adequately explain it?
[14:29] <ebarretto> Odd_Bloke, rbasak the link on the top page: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle should help clarify things
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> rbasak: I don't think people are scrolling down that far: they find the first mention of their release on the page, they read the EoL date, they move on.
[14:31] <Odd_Bloke> ebarretto: Sure, I'm not saying it's impossible for people to figure this out, I'm saying that it's very easy to get the wrong impression from the wiki page as it is now, and a sentence or two of explanatory text could improve Ubuntu users' experience substantially.
[14:34] <ebarretto> Odd_Bloke, yeah, I agree, my first reaction was to scroll down and see if standard support was mentioned in that wiki again, and only later I clicked the top link
[14:35] <Odd_Bloke> And, honestly, even that linked page isn't very useful: "standard support" is only mentioned once, in the key of a graph as "Interim release Standard Support"
[14:35] <Odd_Bloke> And "end of life" is not mentioned at all.
[14:40] <ebarretto> Odd_Bloke, you should check the image under maintenance and security updates
[14:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> Has anybody had a chance to look at FFe bug 1989263 yet?
[14:53] <Odd_Bloke> ebarretto: I used to work for Canonical, _I_ know how this works: my point is that the release team's wiki page is unclear about the security support that people will receive, which is going to result in insecure Ubuntu systems because people don't realise they aren't getting patches after "standard support" ends.
[14:57] <rbasak> I'm reminded of https://devguide.python.org/documentation/style-guide/#economy-of-expression and the final paragraph of https://devguide.python.org/documentation/style-guide/#audience. I don't mean to argue if the current text is right or wrong, just that if somebody got confused, that doesn't mean the documentation is bad.
[14:57] <rbasak> doesn't *necessarily* mean, to be clear.
[14:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (jammy-proposed/main) [1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.4 => 1:6.2+dfsg-2ubuntu6.5] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[15:03] <Odd_Bloke> That page also says "Lay out the relevant information" and "provide glossary links", which is all I'm asking for here!
[15:57] <spidermonkey> Hello everyone! I've got a question about packaging 'propagation' between Debian and Ubuntu
[15:58] <spidermonkey> If there is a universe package in Ubuntu 22.04 that has just received a bug fix in its Debian version, will this somehow land in Ubuntu universe in the fixed version?
[16:03] <schopin> spidermonkey: not automatically. The propagation (sync) from Debian to Ubuntu is only done at the beginning of development for the new series, i.e. the *next* release.
[16:06] <spidermonkey> Is there a possibility to ask for this to be done manually, and if so, how tiny are the chances this goes through if it only has been fixed in a new upstream release instead of a pure bug-fix one?
[16:06] <rbasak> spidermonkey: note that we can manually sync the package though, if it contains bugfixes only.
[16:06] <rbasak> Right
[16:06] <spidermonkey> Well that's a pity
[16:07] <rbasak> We can also cherry-pick a fix
[16:07] <spidermonkey> I believe it was a problem in build configuration
[16:07] <rbasak> If it's not suitable for sync, because in Kinetic we are in feature freeze to stablize for release.
[16:08] <rbasak> Exceptions can be made, but it all depends on the situation.
[16:08] <spidermonkey> The package in question is linphone-desktop, maybe the real package responsible for the bug is libmediastreamer11 though
[16:08] <rbasak> The goal is that we stabilize for release now, so generally we want bugfixes only.
[16:09] <spidermonkey> There are two Ubuntu bug reports
[16:09] <spidermonkey> bug #1974163
[16:10] <spidermonkey> bug 1960137
[16:10] <spidermonkey> And one Debian bug report which has just been fixed in the new upstream release https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=979044
[16:11] <spidermonkey> So technically I believe it would be possible to create a working version without using the upstream one, but in this case Ubuntu universe would then diverge from the Debian repositories I guess
[16:12] <rbasak> That's normal. We'll reconverge after release (which is a manual step to make sure we don't regress a feature or bugfix we added in our delta).
[16:16] <spidermonkey> Okay. In this case I should probably ask the Debian maintainer first if there is a reason why this is not fixed in their repositories?
[16:16] <spidermonkey> Because a bugfix release of them would probably be better than diversion?
[16:19] <rbasak> They have fixed it though, no?
[16:19] <spidermonkey> They have fixed it in the upstream version, but as far as I can see there isn't a pure bugfix release for Debian stable or testing
[16:19] <rbasak> Oh, only in experimental?
[16:20] <spidermonkey> experimental, then unstable
[16:20] <spidermonkey> I think I see why
[16:21] <spidermonkey> It was a build problem, but the missing library apparently wasn't packaged at all – there now is a new package and probably this is why this won't land in stable
[16:21] <rbasak> It's fixed in unstable
[16:21] <rbasak> I think?
[16:21] <spidermonkey> Yes
[16:21] <rbasak> So I don't think there's anything further for the Debian maintainer to do that will help Ubuntu.
[16:22] <rbasak> It looks like mediastreamer2 hasn't migrated to testing in Debian either.
[16:22] <rbasak> So this might be non-trivial to fix in Ubuntu. It'd need a deeper investigation to figure out if a minimal fix is possible in Ubuntu.
[16:23] <spidermonkey> I'm often confused about this so excuse my question but if no bugs are found, unstable packages are migrated to testing after a certain time, right?
[16:23] <rbasak> There are a bunch of other checks, too
[16:24] <rbasak> See https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linphone%2Ddesktop - particularly under "excuses"
[16:24] <spidermonkey> It is a very recent fix
[16:29] <spidermonkey> But just to understand the process: Before feature freeze you would sync Debian testing packages to Ubuntu universe, after a release you normally only propagate bugfix releases and this is done manually. Is that correct?
[16:31] <rbasak> Before feature freeze we automatically sync packages from Debian unstable provided that we haven't added a delta to the Ubuntu package, in which case that needs to be resolved manually. After syncing the package still needs to go through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration which is similar to the Debian unstable->testing process.
[16:31] <rbasak> After feature freeze all changes are manually done by Ubuntu developers. We can still sync, if appropriate and within our freeze policies.
[16:31] <rbasak> Ubuntu developers may add a delta at any time (again, within our own release policies, of course).
[16:39] <spidermonkey> Okay. As far as I can see, this means Ubuntu 23.04 will nearly certainly have a Linphone version with the issue fixed, but Jammy and Kinetic are very unlikely to adopt the fix because they would need an entirely new package
[16:40] <spidermonkey> Plus either a recompiled version of the currently used libmediastreamer11, which would cause a diversion, or a whole bunch of new upstream packages
[16:43] <spidermonkey> I'd think a new package probably wouldn't affect stability – if it wasn't there before, nothing relying on it can break; and there is exactly one application, divided over multiple packages, using it afterwards – but I guess you will keep these tasks to a minimum for addressing really bad stuff
[16:45] <spidermonkey> So thank you for your explanations, I might see if I can get it to work locally but an official bugfix then is out of question if I see it correctly
[16:46] <jbicha> spidermonkey: could you file a Launchpad bug with explanations and lists of affected packages for kinetic? Kinetic isn't as frozen as Jammy is yet
[16:47] <spidermonkey> Yes I can. Shall I append to the existing bugs or shall I create a new one?
[16:48] <jbicha> I think a new bug would be easier to understand since this sounds like it has several parts to it
[16:49] <jbicha> spidermonkey: I think you should follow the Feature Freeze exception process here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[16:50] <spidermonkey> But for Kinetic still?
[16:51] <jbicha> yes https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2022-August/001319.html
[16:52] <spidermonkey> Reading the exception process documentation, do I have to get a current Kinetic image and test it there? My current abilities to install another OS, even as a VM, are limited
[16:53] <jbicha> someone needs to test that these packages build and then make sure that at the end, linphone appears to work ok
[16:54] <spidermonkey> I'll see what I can do
[16:57] <rbasak> spidermonkey: thank you for looking into this. I'm not sure what the outcome will be, but to be clear, we do generally want to fix bugs. It's a question of what the trade-off looks like in terms of risk to regressing something somewhere else, and who's willing to volunteer what amount of work to take steps to mitigate risk. Exceptions can be made - ultimately the decision is down to the Ubuntu
[16:57] <rbasak> release team to make.
[17:00] <spidermonkey> Very well, I appreciate much of this is volunteer work. I'll file a bug and see how much testing I can do myself.
[17:14] <fheimes71> hi, could s/o with 'superpowers' please re-trigger a test for me? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/xfCsVFGj8n/
[17:25] <jbicha> fheimes71: done
[17:28] <fheimes71> jbicha - thx!
[18:39] <seb128> bdmurray, if you do an SRU could you review xwayland/J?
[18:40] <bdmurray> seb128: I'll certainly try!
[18:42] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[18:42] <seb128> could a release team member check on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/britney/+git/britney/+merge/429834 ?
[18:43] <seb128> at-spi2-core tests now require gedit and python3-gi stack which is creating an issue on i386, it's not a regression just it's doing more than it used to and the new requirement don't fit what is installable atm on the arch
[18:56] <hellsworth> bdmurray: Hey Brian, there's an SRU I care about and have tested. Any chance of getting this in proposed soon?
[18:56] <hellsworth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweaks/+bug/1988276
[19:00] <bdmurray> hellsworth: its in -proposed already and has been there since 2022-09-08. We generally wait 7 days for the SRU to "age". Is there is a reason it should be accepted into -updates early?
[19:01] <hellsworth> sorry no. i tested it from proposed and then I was just looking to push it along. Once it gets into -updates, I have a blog post that is ready to go out that uses this updated tweaks.
[19:02] <hellsworth> sorry for the spam then. i can be patient :)
[19:02] <bdmurray> Well feel free to spam again on Thursday if it somebody else doesn't release it.
[19:02] <hellsworth> sounds good :)
[19:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted xwayland [source] (jammy-proposed) [2:22.1.1-1ubuntu0.2]
[19:11] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks!
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon (bionic-proposed/primary) [1.9~18.04.1]
[19:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: ubuntu-advantage-desktop-daemon (focal-proposed/primary) [1.9~20.04.1]
[19:49] <coreycb> hello release team, I'd like to bump alembic in kinetic from 1.7.6 to 1.8.1. it has several useful fixes and is mostly used by openstack packages.
[19:52] <bdmurray> coreycb: Is there an open FFe bug regarding the update?
[19:53] <coreycb> bdmurray: there isn't but I can create one
[19:55] <bdmurray> coreycb: That would be helpful
[20:02] <coreycb> bdmurray: I've opened up bug 1989507
[20:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Release team! Any chance I can get a quick ack on FFe bug 1989263?
[20:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: iputils (focal-proposed/main) [3:20190709-3 => 3:20190709-3ubuntu1] (core)
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: edk2 (jammy-proposed/main) [2022.02-3 => 2022.02-3ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-server)


[08:33] <Gido> Hello
[14:04] <amendes365> hey everyone guess what? i have sound problems :D
[14:04] <amendes365> master volume seems to be working independently from browser volume
[14:06] <amendes365> and i have alsa mixer, alsamixer, alsamixergui, gnome alsa mixer and pulseaudio volume control enabled
[18:42] <lionofgod> Hello
[18:43] <lionofgod> has anyone used ccsm in ubuntu 12.10?


[17:31] <mamarley> ricotz: I have also uploaded new nvidia-340 packages to my staging PPA that contain patches for all kernels up through 4.15.  (No license issues occurred.)
[17:57] <ricotz> mamarley, nice :)
[17:57] <ricotz> I assume tseliot will take care of 384.111