[06:56] <smb> lamont, Then something is not right. Should say /dev/vda1 (and no it only always says sda regardless of ata or real scsi)
[12:55] <lamont> smb: I see
[13:09] <hallyn> ok so what is the recommended lts kernel package for on trusty?  There's a lot of options.  linux-image-hwe-generic-trusty ?
[13:09] <hallyn> i.e. will that one auto-update to the vivid kernel at some point?
[13:10] <hallyn> seems the most promising, think i'll go with that
[13:34] <arges> hallyn: what are you trying to do? I believe the high level meta packages are 'linux-<flavor>?-<lts-series>?-<eol-upgrade>'  where eol-upgrade rolls into the next lts kernel
[13:35] <arges> if that pseudo regex makes any sense
[13:38] <hallyn> arges: linux-image-hwe-generic-trusty seems to be an alias for linux-image-generic-lts-utopic ;  -vivid doesn't exist yet;  so my ohpe was that linux-image-hwe-generic-trusty will become linux-image-generic-lts-vivid when that exists
[13:45] <arges> hallyn: off the top of my head, not sure how the meta-packages get pulled in.
[13:58] <apw> hallyn, i thnk those are coming from the main linux-meta package
[13:59] <apw> hallyn, and likely yes we would want to move those, when its not shiney and likely to eat peoples machines
[13:59] <apw> so once some time has passed for stabalisation
[14:10] <hallyn> apw: but so was linux-image-hwe-generic-trusty the right package for me to install?  i was on 3.13, which was killing kvm when i tried to nest;  just wnat the newest supported kernel
[14:56] <smb> hallyn, hm... maybe what you wanted would have a "utopic" in its name...
[14:56] <hallyn> smb: linux-image-hwe-generic-trusty points to something with utopic in its name
[14:56] <hallyn> is there a structure to these pkgs or is it all ad-hoc?  I assumed the former, am getting the feeling its the latter :)
[14:57] <smb> there is a structure but ... its maybe too complicated for me myself
[18:51] <lamont> smb: full shutdown and start later: /dev/vda1       41151808 13811620  25226756  36% /
[18:51] <lamont> ta
[18:52] <smb> lamont, yw. I hope this also magically avoids the swraid recovery affecting the guest
[18:52] <lamont> smb: that would be most lovely
[18:52] <lamont> and yeah, I have no desire to emulate disks if I can just use them
[18:52] <smb> I know ... :)


[01:45] <boodroscotch> Hi, I'm trying to build a package for a PPA, but only the i386 version is building, not the amd64 version. The error seems to be the builder completely skipping two lines in the rules file: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155681652/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.mpv_1.0~git20131102-try2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[01:46] <boodroscotch> here is the package in question: https://launchpad.net/~blinxwang/+archive/mpv-builds/+packages
[01:46] <boodroscotch> any help would be appreciated
[01:47] <StevenK> boodroscotch: Are the two lines in the rules file under the binary-indep target?
[01:53] <boodroscotch> yes, here is the rules file in question: http://pastebin.com/YKy9SdHN
[01:53] <boodroscotch> StevenK
[01:54] <boodroscotch> the amd64 builder skips straight to $(MAKE) -C mpv for some reason
[02:41] <cjwatson> boodroscotch: Defining both build and override_dh_auto_build is confusing and unwise.  I would recommend moving the contents of your build target into override_dh_auto_build and deleting the build target.
[02:43] <cjwatson> boodroscotch: The amd64 builder is not skipping to $(MAKE) -C mpv; it's ignoring your build target altogether and executing $(MAKE) -C mpv install as part of dh_auto_install's default behaviour.  This is because it's running build-arch rather than build, since it's defined by way of the catch-all % target.  As I say, the least confusing way to resolve this is not to define build at all.
[02:43] <cjwatson> boodroscotch: You'd see the exact same behaviour if you built locally with debuild -B.
[02:49] <boodroscotch> cjwatson: ah, so like this? http://pastebin.com/Z9ZeXV93
[02:52] <cjwatson> boodroscotch: Yes, that looks more likely to work.  I'd drop the dh_testdir (pointless, dh already handles it), but that's a detail.
[02:53] <cjwatson> (Boarding shortly, so unlikely to be able to help further for a day or so.)
[02:53] <boodroscotch> cjwatson: It works. Thank you so much! Have a safe flight!
[02:54] <cjwatson> Good stuff
[02:54] <cjwatson> thanks
[03:53] <Fudge> wgrant  regarding the architectures we copied firefox from mozilla teams security ppa to hold back 24 in the vinux/precise-updates ppa but i copied all the binaries oops. cjwatson  helped me get remove-package from bzr ubuntu-tools but there are still 225 binaries left and I am having trouble getting a list or identifying ones I have missed.
[04:01] <wgrant> Fudge: http://ppa.launchpad.net/vinux/precise-updates/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/
[04:04] <Fudge> mate thank you.... :D I need to learn more about the http structure of  LP apparently
[11:22] <drstikko> Hi can anyone help me out? I have code uploaded to code,launchpad.net I have my own account. But for me it is unclear what the next steps should be to add this code to a ppa package.
[17:50] <kprkpr> Hello, anyone can help me deleting a project? I created by error a proyect and I dont know how to delete it..
[17:52] <tsimpson> kprkpr: your best option is to ask for it be deleted via https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[17:53] <kprkpr> thanks
[19:44] <drstikko> anyone experienced with bzr-builder?
[19:58] <drstikko> is it possible to generate a rule file from a makefile?
[23:47] <drstikko> I have a successful build with recipe from code to ppa, but package does not contain a binary. Anyone can help me with that?
[23:52] <StevenK> drstikko: A recipe builds a source package. That source package will then get built into a binary package.
[23:53] <drstikko> StevenK, yes I understand, but a buikd request does both right?
[23:59] <StevenK> drstikko: If the recipe build succedded, then a source package build will be started automatically, yes. The recipe page also shows the status of the source package builds.


[01:18] <heartsmagic> hello, i have a question about an ubuntu-* related channel, is there any active manager here?
[01:20] <Tm_T> yes?
[01:20] <heartsmagic> can we use ubuntu-* channel names for our loco?
[01:21] <Tm_T> is it approved ubuntu loco? (I would assume it's ok for unapproved too, though cannot remember exact rules)
[01:21] <heartsmagic> yeah we are approved, Ubuntu Turkiye
[01:21] <heartsmagic> but i am not asking directly loco name, we already have #ubuntu-tr
[01:22] <heartsmagic> for example we want a channel for our ezine named sudo
[01:22] <heartsmagic> is #ubuntu-sudo ok?
[01:22] <Tm_T> hmmm, no
[01:22] <heartsmagic> or should we use ubuntu-tr-sudo?
[01:22] <heartsmagic> or anything else?
[01:23] <Tm_T> -tr-sudo should be ok I guess
[01:23] <heartsmagic> ok, thank you
[03:38] <bazhang>  oaf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu  badident?
[03:39] <elky> yeah.
[03:40] <elky> tell them it must have got truncated and says something rather nasty now.
[03:40] <elky> (yes, i know it didnt)
[03:40] <elky> bazhang, familiar with the person in -ot?
[03:40] <bazhang> ah crivit is buzag / jarheadless  (known issue)
[03:41] <bazhang> elky, Vegas from before seems to be similar to pomp242 but rww would know
[03:41] <elky> mc44 says the same thing
[03:41] <elky> I was too caught up getting ready for work yesterday to deal with it
 calling yer mommy?  cry baby
 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
[03:49] <elky> Tasty.
[05:09] <crivit> hey whats up
[05:09] <bazhang> crivit, hi
[05:10] <crivit> and?
[05:10] <bazhang> crivit, you seem to have trouble with keeping random commentary out of #ubuntu
[05:10] <crivit> random commentary???
[05:10] <bazhang> crivit, please read the code of conduct and guidelines as you are currently muted in #ubuntu
[05:10] <crivit> I didnt slag anyone off
[05:10] <bazhang> !coc | crivit
[05:11] <bazhang> !guidelines | crivit
[05:11] <bazhang> crivit, take a moment to read those and let me know when you are through
[05:11] <crivit> ? what did I say that upset you
[05:12] <bazhang> crivit, hufx buzag jarheadless you have a history of this type of behaviour
[05:12] <crivit> now youve lost me
[05:12] <bazhang> crivit, read the links above and let me know when you have understood them
[05:13] <crivit> ok read them
[05:13] <bazhang> please do
[05:13] <crivit> have done
[05:14] <crivit> this is most irrugular
[05:14] <bazhang> crivit, that's hard to believe. it takes more than 5 seconds to read all those links
[05:15] <crivit> have have I done to upset you?
[05:15] <bazhang> crivit, no. you have failed to follow the channel guidelines however.
[05:16] <crivit> how? I wasnt offence to anyone
[05:16] <bazhang> crivit, you are currently muted in #ubuntu ; should you wish to resolve this I would to move this forward
[05:17] <crivit> how and for what?
[05:17] <bazhang> crivit, as you have said that you read the links above it should be clear
[05:18] <crivit> and?
[05:20] <crivit> what did I say that offended other users?
[05:20] <crivit> this is just silly
[05:20] <bazhang> crivit, this is not a debate
[05:21] <bazhang> should you agree to follow the channel guidelines we can move forward and lift your mute.
[05:21] <crivit> Ive never had this before why now? please explain
[05:22] <bazhang> crivit, you certainly have, under a variety of other nicknames. you were asked repeatedly in this instance to keep random offtopic commentary out of #ubuntu and in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:23] <crivit> under a variety of other nicknames   what the hell does this mean?
[05:23] <bazhang> crivit, okay. there is no way to move this forward then.
[05:24] <crivit> this is a public pc
[05:24] <crivit> and I have a staff member here now so if you want to talk to him?
[05:24] <bazhang> crivit, your mute has been changed to a ban. should you wish to move this forward in the future then please join this channel in 24 hours
[05:25] <bazhang> crivit, there is nothing more to discuss at this time.
[05:26] <crivit> hi Im staff here
[05:27] <crivit> what the problem with this user
[05:27] <bazhang> crivit, please part the channel
[05:27] <crivit> or pc
[05:27] <bazhang> crivit, you can return in 24hrs to discuss your ban in #ubuntu
[05:28] <crivit> I dont think you understand this is a public pc
[05:28] <crivit> this user has been here only for the last few hours
 omg bazhang has killem me 3 times now  care to explain that comment?
[05:29] <bazhang> ah Iam_360_ as well
[05:30] <crivit> we have many day to day users and we try to be respectfull
[05:30] <crivit> I work here
[05:30] <crivit> what was the problem ?
[05:30] <bazhang> crivit, again this conversation is over for today. please return in 24 hours should you wish to resolve it. thanks.
[05:35] <elky> Hmmm, wielding of Claim To Have Freenode Staffer On The Payroll is + how many to the troll stat again?
[05:35] <bazhang> haha
[05:35] <elky> Gotta be at least 10
[05:35] <bazhang> most certainly
[05:36] <elky> Though, re-reading it doesn't seem he was claiming Freenode staff were the problem. He was posing as 'net cafe staff I think.
[05:36] <elky> Which is even more LOL
[06:03] <bazhang> yep. and his quit message was the very same one he excoriated -ot users with
[09:29] <bazhang> poopsmith seems to be trolling. guest1 will be removed as well if he continues (also in -ru)
[09:29] <ikonia> agreed
[13:14] <elky> er... was that a really poor attempt at a tuna "joke" there?
[13:14] <elky> actually, re-reading no
[13:15] <bazhang> he's just in full "you're not the boss of me!" mode
[13:16] <elky> You'd think he'd have figured by now that being in that mode tends to work out poorly for him
[13:16] <bazhang> heh true
[15:27] <bazhang> ban evading again
[15:29] <ikonia> where
[15:29] <bazhang> #ubuntu ballbag
[15:30] <ikonia> thanks
[15:30] <bazhang> sure
[15:36] <elky> Charming name, that.
[16:00] <IdleOne> So Sary is a channel op in #ubuntu-sa but manages to get himself banned in #u?
[16:01] <ikonia> really ?
[16:01] <IdleOne> yes
[16:01] <ikonia> how dissapointing
[16:01] <IdleOne> indeed
[16:13] <charlie-tca> That's not easy, is it?
[16:14] <elky> and just joined -women
[16:14] <elky> eyes please
[16:15] <elky> has left -women
[16:15] <IdleOne> he saw me go in and out of -sa
[16:15] <IdleOne> probably doing the same
[18:45] <IdleOne> heh
[18:45] <IdleOne> ikonia is supported. Good to know
[18:52] <ikonia> storf/frots has been a problem before
[18:52] <ikonia> he speaks perfect english, yet insists on asking for aids
[18:54] <ikonia> what a surprise
[18:55] <jpds> ikonia is indeed a troll.
[18:55] <ikonia> agreed
[18:56] <ikonia> I'm sure he's trolling
[18:56] <ikonia> he knows the words yet choses the wrong ones on purpose
[18:58] <jpds> What does he have against Deutsche?
[18:59] <ikonia> don't know
[19:00] <gnomefreak> i am 80% sure he is trolling, however not sure why he choose ikonia
[19:00] <IdleOne> ok well, I am going to remove myself from the situation with storf. Don't want it to appear personal on my end when he gets banned
[19:00] <jpds> gnomefreak: ikonia is iconic.
[19:00] <ikonia> ha ha
[19:00] <gnomefreak> :)
[19:02] <ikonia> I don't see anything to suggest oss4 is even packaged in ubuntu
[19:02] <jpds> Everyone uses PulseAudio.
[19:02] <gnomefreak> we should really ask him in here if he continues, i have a feeling it is going to get disruptive in #u
[19:03] <ikonia> ok, oss4 isn't packaged for ubuntu
[19:03] <gnomefreak> it seems to be the names that start with I/i
[19:03] <gnomefreak> no it isnt
[19:03] <ikonia> it suggests getting it from 4front.com
[19:03] <gnomefreak> bad idea but you already know taht ;)
[19:05] <ikonia> it is packaged
[19:05] <gnomefreak> when was it imtroduced
[19:08] <ikonia> I'm out now for a while
[19:08] <ikonia> laters
[20:16] <Vespero> I have a question
[20:17] <Flannel> Hi Vespero, what's up?
[20:18] <Vespero> Sometime within the last 72 hours I was banned from #Ubuntu
[20:18] <Vespero> I've been on in the last few days
[20:18] <Vespero> but I never even said anything
[20:18] <Vespero> Is there a way I could find out what my offense was? .__.
[20:19] <Flannel> Vespero: Looks like you CTCP pinged the channel
[20:19] <Vespero> Flannel: I don't know what that means
[20:20] <Flannel> Vespero: About 14 hours ago you pinged the entire channel
[20:20] <Vespero> 14 hours? I was banned when I tried to get on last night
[20:22] <Flannel> Vespero: Yeah, looks to be about that.  You were on with a nick of Uruz
[20:22] <Vespero> Uruz is my second name. I got switched to it because connection problems caused my Identification message to be delayed
[20:23] <Flannel> Vespero: right.  What IRC client are you using?
[20:23] <Vespero> XChat
[20:24] <Flannel> Vespero: Some graphical clients make it easy to do things like ping the entire channel if you right click the channel name and then select it, or however it's actually done
[20:25] <Vespero> Oh, I think I know what happened then
[20:26] <Flannel> Vespero: Alright.  I'm going to go ahead and unban you, please don't ping the channel again :)
[20:26] <Vespero> <3 Thanks, I'll look into disabling it
[20:26] <Vespero> ^__^ thanks again!
[23:40] <LjL> mccartney needs a clearer redirect to -es or something, he won't get it
[23:51] <jpds> Hmm.


[11:32] <bdrung> is this the right channel to find graphics designer?
[11:34] <bdrung> can someone convert the svg icon of audacious into a monochrome one that integrates well with ubuntu's default themes (bug #563043)?
[11:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 563043 in audacious (Ubuntu) "audacious2.png alpha blending is wrong (affects: 1) (dups: 1)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563043
[11:36] <mpt> bdrung, you could try #ubuntu-artwork
[11:36] <bdrung> k, will ask there
[15:57] <qense> jcastro: There are building issues and all kinds of nasty installation errors and crashes with Banshee.AppIndicator -- including the version in the Lucid repo -- because the much needed fix for libappindicator0-cil hasn't been released yet. Am I right hyperair?
[15:57] <qense> I was wondering if you could bug anyone about this issue.
[15:58] <hyperair> oh look seb128_ is here too
[15:58] <qense> maybe he can help us
[15:59] <qense> jcastro, seb128_: it's this bug: bug #564506 (Critical)
[15:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 564506 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "libappindicator-cil-dev's .pc file points to the wrong place (affects: 12) (dups: 4) (heat: 96)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564506
[15:59] <jcastro> qense, is it fixed upstream and just needs to get into the distro?
[15:59] <qense> jcastro: there is a merge request for the Ubuntu packaging, but it needs to be reviewed and uploaded.
[16:00] <qense> jcastro: The banshee-community-extensions part has been fixed, but it will continue to FTBS until the appind fix is uploaded.
[16:00] <jcastro> I see
[16:00] <jcastro> ok so we need to hug seb128_
[16:01] <Zdra> tedg, Hi, you are the one working on libappindicator integration in rhythmbox?
[16:01] <qense> Zdra: I thought that was Nafai
[16:02] <jcastro> Zdra, it was initially bratsche and then jpetersen finished it off
[16:02] <seb128_> no, bratsche wrote the rhythmbox change
[16:02] <qense> hyperair: the diff renames libappindicator0-cil to libappindicator0.0-cil, but libappindicator-cil-dev to libappindicator0.1-cil-dev? Why the different number?
[16:03] <jcastro> Zdra, it's sitting on bgo but the upstream maintainer wants to discuss it so we'll probably chat about it at UDS.
[16:04] <Zdra> bratsche: So when I don't have the indicator applet, the status icon goes to the notification area. But its behaviors isn't reverted to upstream's. For example I don't have tooltip, popup menu is on left-click instead of right-click, no way to play/pause with middle-click, not changing volume on scrolling, no way to show/hide the main window
[16:05] <Zdra> jcastro, tedg Nafai (who ever is doing that) ^
[16:05] <Zdra> I would like to fix that, but I don't know how I can know in the code if the indicator applet is present
[16:05] <qense> I was wrong about Nafai, sorry.
[16:05] <qense> Zdra: I think we're providing it as a patch
[16:06] <Zdra> yep, there is a patch in the rb package
[16:06] <qense> Zdra: I think they're using preprocessor #ifdef structures.
[16:07] <Zdra> but that should be run-time since I can add/remove the indicator applet at runtime
[16:07] <Zdra> that's what I would like to change, but I don't see how
[16:07] <tedg> Zdra: You can override the fallback functions.
[16:07] <tedg> Zdra: So we have a default way to create the GtkStatusIcon
[16:07] <tedg> Zdra: And you can build it anyway you want if you subclass and override.
[16:08] <qense> jcastro, seb128_: To add to the pain of the problems with Banshee.AppIndicator due to libappindicator0-cil's packaging: I can't work on the two bug reports since libappindicator0-cil doesn't seem to be working at all now.
[16:08] <seb128_> it's not used anywhere in lucid anyway
[16:09] <seb128_> I fail to see that as a real issue, we will get it working next cycle
[16:09] <qense> seb128_: You mean AppInd-sharp?
[16:10] <qense> There is a fix for it already. The bug is blocking the building of banshee-community-extensions.
[16:10] <qense> If the fix won't land we'd have to remove banshee-extension-appindicator from the archives because it's not workable.
[16:10] <seb128_> right, but we are frozen for rc now
[16:10] <jcastro> is this SRUable?
[16:10] <seb128_> well it's universe software, after rc doesn't seem time to rename binaries from a source in main to accomodate universe software which never worked
[16:10] <qense> Not due to a complicated programming bug, but due to a packaging mistake in a library that is used by exactly one package.
[16:11] <qense> plus: the packaging is a violation of the Debian CLI Policy.
[16:11] <seb128_> right, we have people every day arguing that $random_universe_software not working is end of the world
[16:11] <seb128_> we ship on time, it that change is late for lucid we will get it working next cycle
[16:11] <qense> and in its current state we actually should not only remove banshee-extension-appindicator from the archives, but also libappindicator0-cil and libappindicator-cil-dev because they are not working at all.
[16:12] <seb128_> they are not breaking anything either
[16:12] <seb128_> we limit changes to what we really need between rc and lucid
[16:12] <qense> I understand that, but those three packages aren't even on the CD, nor required or even suggested by any other package at all.
[16:12] <jcastro> can we fix it in a PPA, test it for a bit and then propose it as an SRU post-lucid?
[16:13] <seb128_> no but they require an upload for a chance which is on the CD
[16:13] <Zdra> tedg, is all the code in 82_rhythmbox-indicators.patch ?
[16:13] <seb128_> Zdra, yes
[16:13] <qense> seb128_: what change?
[16:13] <seb128_> chance -> source
[16:13] <seb128_> qense, indicator-application has binaries on the CD
[16:13] <seb128_> if we update it we need to respin CD
[16:13] <qense> ah, you mean the fact that you can't build the C# bindings apart.
[16:14] <seb128_> yes
[16:14] <seb128_> it needs an indicator-application upload
[16:14] <seb128_> which will mean new binaries for all the thing it builds
[16:14] <seb128_> including the C library
[16:14] <qense> I forgot to look at it from the source package perspective, you're completely right here.
[16:14] <qense> In that case, would it be possible to do the update post-release?
[16:16] <seb128_> qense, I will sponsor the pending change and let slangasek decide for after rc and with eventual respins
[16:16] <seb128_> qense, otherwise yes we will be able to SRU that
[16:16] <qense> seb128_: great, thank you
[16:17] <seb128_> np
[16:17] <Zdra> tedg, for what I understand, the function rb_tray_icon_new() is implemented in 2 places: in the indicator patch and in status-icon plugin
[16:18] <tedg> Zdra: I'm not as familiar with the RB patch, I'm sorry.  I'm more familiar with the library.
[16:18] <tedg> I'm not sure who did the RB patch
[16:18] <seb128> brastche and jpertersen working on it
[16:19] <Zdra> I see, it is in makefile it replace rb-tray-icon-gtk.c by rb-indicator.c
[16:20] <Zdra> tedg, so do you know how in runtime I can know if tray icon will be embeded inside the notification area or the indicator applet?
[16:22] <bratsche> I wrote the original RB patch, but I don't understand what the issue is.
[16:24] <Zdra> bratsche, I would like to modify the patch, so at runtime, if the indicator applet is not in the panel, it revert to upstream behavior
[16:24] <tedg> Zdra: You can either listen to the signal or wait for the function to be called.
[16:24] <tedg> Zdra: I think in general it's best to just implement fallback/unfallback and they'll be called if needed.
[17:25] <hyperair> seb128: slangasek already gave his approval
[17:26] <hyperair> seb128: directhex and i discussed it with him yesterday
[17:26] <hyperair> after which i pinged you in #ubuntu-release
[17:26] <seb128> I was probably away for lunch
[17:26] <seb128> I didn't read that backlog
[17:26] <hyperair> ah
[17:27] <hyperair> seb128: basically he acked it as long as there would be *no* further changes to indicator-application
[17:27] <seb128> ok
[17:27] <seb128> I will just sponsor what is waiting if you confirm what should be uploaded
[17:28] <hyperair> seb128: the changes that were in the merge request. that's it.
[17:28] <hyperair> seb128: tested by directhex to build, install, and work fine
[17:29] <seb128> ok
[17:29] <hyperair> seb128: if tedg doesn't have any more changes then i think it can be uploaded.
[17:29] <tedg> seb128: I think the only other possible change would be if Nafai can figure out the gnome BT one.
[17:30] <Nafai> yeah :)
[17:30] <tedg> seb128: The Mono updates work for me though.  I was able to rebuild my local Tomboy happy happy now.
[17:30] <seb128> ok
[17:30] <seb128> will sponsor that after the meeting in ubuntu-desktop
[17:31] <qense> tedg: I'll be restarting my work on the C# bindings in the Maverick cycle, it is too late now to push such a large change to the Mono bindings that isn't needed by anything at the moment, actually, and I don't really have time to work on it. I'll await the roadmap for AppInd.
[17:32] <tedg> qense: Cool, that'd be great!
[17:32] <tedg> qense: I don't think there'll be many changes in the Maverick cycle.  Hopefully just fixes.
[17:32] <qense> tedg: We already now what the exact problem is, but I need to make time to write a proper fix. And i haven't made time yet. ;)
[17:32] <qense> tedg: No exciting new stuff like categorising? :D
[17:33]  * tedg hates exciting and new as they all create bugs :)
[17:33] <vish> qense: thanks for looking at the merge > https://code.launchpad.net/~ubunt-u-markbenjamin/indicator-applet/reorient/+merge/23524  :)
[17:33] <qense> vish: yw
[17:34] <qense> tedg: I like exciting and new because I make myself forget all the bugs1
[17:34] <vish> qense: its now awaiting tedg to merge it to main?
[17:34] <qense> vish: I have no idea, but considering the RC freeze: only after the release
[17:34] <qense> seb128: We also have another merge request, this time for indicator-applet. It adds support for vertical panels. Definitely something for post-release updates?
[17:37] <tedg> Yeah, I can't imagine we can do that one at this point in the release cycle.
[17:37] <tedg> It seems reasonably for an SRU though to me.
[17:37] <vish> \o/
[17:38] <MarkieMark1> I should say too, qense thanks for that :)
[17:38] <qense> MarkieMark1: thank you for the fix
[17:39] <MarkieMark1> it's a pleasure :)
[17:39] <qense> and apologises for making you create a new branch because I can't figure out the difference between indicator-application and indicator-applet. :P
[17:40] <MarkieMark1> no worries, I learnt some of how debian packaging works
[17:40] <qense> good!
[17:42] <seb128> qense, yes
[17:42] <qense> ok
[17:43] <qense> lets not make your life harder now :)
[23:47] <mesula> Can someone help me get Pidgin working with the messenger applet please?


[19:34] <amdp> hi
[19:35] <amdp> has launchpad any cost? is there a fee or a paid version?
[19:40] <cjwatson> It's free provided your project is within the terms of use (https://help.launchpad.net/Legal).
[19:42] <cjwatson> Some features (essentially the ability to create private objects of various kinds) are restricted, though we don't have a specific scheme for buying those; you'd need to negotiate them with a Canonical support rep.  But most people don't need those.
[19:43] <amdp> ok thank you


[00:05] <czajkowski> nn folks
[00:31] <cjohnston> pleia2: he should have to login, then when the sript next runs it would be updated, and then login again
[00:32] <pleia2> cjohnston: ok, thanks :)
[01:35] <nigelb> pleia2: If it helps, I've asked IS to turn off openid auth on etherpad server.
[01:36] <pleia2> nigelb: in a perfect world (maybe next UDS?) we'd have a readonly version, only log in to edit
[01:37] <nigelb> Yeah, depends on how much time AlanBell and I have to hack :)
[02:28] <doctormo-other> pleia2: In a perfect world we'd each be able to beam knowledge into each other's heads and remember everything that ever was.
[02:31] <mhall119> or we just wouldn't have trolls messing up other people's work
[02:36] <doctormo-other> mhall119: Troll hunting is a fun game, I wish the CoC allowed it.
[03:42] <doctormo-other> mhall119: Looking at the deps for groundcontrol, I'm truly impressed by it's grandeur.  What does: E: /home/chris/Ubuntu One/.....     mean.. Specifically the "E:" part
[13:04] <popey> Error
[13:04] <popey> was opposed to W: for Warning
[13:04] <mhall119> doctormo-other: you should always be proud of your work
[13:04] <cjohnston> when what are the ones that dont have an E or a W
[13:05] <popey> informational usually
[13:06] <popey> ( I don't know what script you're talking about, I'm just talking in general )
[13:06] <cjohnston> that doesnt make sense.. its checking to see if all the local files are in the cloud
[13:06] <mhall119> cjohnston: what script?
[13:07] <cjohnston> an ubuntu one script
[13:07] <cjohnston> to determine if all the files locally are on the cloud
[13:23] <dpm> hi cjohnston
[13:24] <cjohnston> dpm: could you take a look into https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-app-developer-tutorial-growth [WARNING] assignee "elvai" is not a valid Launchpad account
[13:24] <cjohnston> please
[13:24] <dpm> cjohnston, ok, looking now...
[13:24] <cjohnston> ty
[13:28] <doctormo-other> cjohnston: It might be E:English and W:Welsh. Everything else is american?
[13:29] <cjohnston> they are all python files
[13:56] <jcastro> daker_: IS wants to know what <cloud_portal_path> is supposed to be
[13:58] <jcastro> I think they just want to know the full path
[14:03] <dholbach> huats, comment ça va? tu as quelque minutes?
[14:04] <huats> dholbach: très bien ! et oui oui j'ai le temps prévu !
[14:05] <dholbach> excellente
[14:05] <dholbach> huats, g+ - ça va pour toi?
[14:06] <dholbach> huats, ou skype?
[14:06] <huats> dholbach: les deux me vont
[14:06] <huats> I et you choose :)
[14:07] <dholbach> huats, je t'ai invité
[14:08] <jcastro> buenas mornings!
[14:13]  * jussi waves to the channel
[14:17] <czajkowski> jussi: aloha
[14:18] <jussi> heya czajkowski
[14:19] <czajkowski> http://www.googlestore.com/Fun/Go+Gopher+Figurine.axd ok how cute is that
[14:19] <jussi> czajkowski: it makes me think of minions...
[14:20] <jussi> but yes, cute :D
[14:22] <jussi> czajkowski: for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od5NbuPUgGk&feature=related
[14:29] <doctormo-other> cjohnston: You're still interested in the ubuntu design team right? Should we consider a leadership structure at all?
[14:34] <cjohnston> doctormo-other:  I'm not so much interested in being on a design team per se.. my goal was to get the canonical design team in a more public place
[14:49] <czajkowski> surely canonical deisgn team is the same as the ubuntu design team we dont differenciate with desktop or server or other groups?
[15:05] <mhall119> czajkowski: in theory
[15:05] <mhall119> in practice so far, the canonical design team has been isolated from the community
[15:05] <mhall119> and the community, while it had designers, didn't have a specific design tema
[15:12] <popey> +1
[15:12] <czajkowski> http://fosdem.org/2012/  79 days to FOSDEM
[15:12] <czajkowski> mhall119: true
[15:13] <doctormo-other> czajkowski: The job now is to get the Ubuntu community design team off the ground.
[15:13] <czajkowski> mhall119: but they are really making an effort to change
[15:13] <mhall119> czajkowski: yup, we're working on what came out of the UDS session
[15:13] <mhall119> which is why we have #ubuntu-design now
[15:17] <jcastro> dholbach: help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1873424
[15:19] <dholbach> jcastro, how can I help?
[15:19] <jcastro> dunno, looks like he has some ideas for patch review
[15:19] <jcastro> so basically, it took like 605 days to fix his bug or something
[15:20] <jcastro> and when I saw his question I just poked cjwatson to look at it
[15:20] <jcastro> and he fixed it
[15:20] <jcastro> so the guy is like "patch submission in ubuntu is totally broken."
[15:20] <czajkowski> yes cause he is cjwatson and has that ability to do stuff like that
[15:20] <czajkowski> :)
[15:20] <czajkowski> swifty
[15:20] <jcastro> and I was like "well, dude, ask somebody."
[15:21] <dholbach> the problem in this case seems to have been that nobody requested the bug to be fixed in an old release?
[15:23] <dholbach> currently merge proposals automatically get into the review queue
[15:23] <dholbach> also does bdmurray's script automatically check if attached patches contain a changelog entry, if they do, they're assumed to be uploadable, so get in the queue as well
[15:23] <dholbach> we still have a backlog of old and broken patches and I agree that it's a problem
[15:24] <jcastro> yeah
[15:24] <jcastro> so basically those 4 things you just said, post that. :)
[15:24] <jcastro> and then point him to the review team
[15:24] <jcastro> and ask him to help. :)
[15:24] <dholbach> April 4, 2010 bdmurray's script was not in place yet
[15:24] <jcastro> also, do we have a meeting today?
[15:24] <dholbach> jcastro, we moved our meetings to Tuesday
[15:24] <dholbach> Tuesdays
[15:24] <jcastro> oh
[15:25] <jcastro> but bacon was missing
[15:25] <dholbach> before UDS already :)
[15:25] <dholbach> yes
[15:25] <jcastro> do we not have a meeting this week then?
[15:25] <dholbach> I guess not
[15:26] <jcastro> man, snap out of it castro, why am I complaining about less meetings
[15:27] <jcastro> hi daker_
[15:27] <Pendulum> jcastro: you've been brainwashed
[15:27] <jcastro> do you know the absolute path of the location of the wordpress installation? IS wants to make sure it's the right branch they're pulling from
[15:27] <jcastro> er, I mean wants to make sure they're pulling into the right directory rather
[15:29] <dholbach> jcastro, done
[15:29] <jcastro> <3
[16:28] <technoviking> Dear Canonical, please hire me my mellow is forever harshed
[16:29] <popey> awww
[16:33] <cprofitt> technoviking: I know how you feel bra
[16:33] <technoviking> cprofitt: wink wink, say no more :)
[16:34] <jono> hey akk
[16:34] <jono> all
[16:34] <cprofitt> that is why I drink Dr Pepper now.
[16:34] <cprofitt> :-)
[16:34] <cprofitt> hey jono
[16:34] <jono> hey cprofitt
[16:34] <technoviking> hey jono
[16:34] <jono> howdy technoviking
[16:34] <technoviking> later, off to meeting
[16:34] <cprofitt> ciao technoviking
[16:34] <alourie> hey jono, all
[16:35] <jono> howdy alourie
[16:35] <jono> hows things in here today?
[16:35] <jono> anything exciting going on>?
[16:36] <jono> anyone updated to Precise yet?
[16:37] <dholbach> no, just a server vm to test builds on
[16:37] <cprofitt> jono: I have not, but I may take my testing server to it this weekend
[16:37] <dholbach> hey jono - how are you doing?
[16:37] <jono> hey dholbach
[16:37] <jono> all good thanks :-)
[16:37] <jono> two hectic days of book writing
[16:38] <jono> now back to work
[16:38] <cprofitt> jono: is there a specific thing you are looking at with precise or just a general question?
[16:38] <dholbach> dpm, have a great time off
[16:38] <dpm> dholbach, thanks :)
[16:38] <dpm> welcome back jono
[16:38] <jono> cprofitt, just want to see how broken it is and whether it makes sense to upgrade
[16:38] <jono> hey dpm
[16:38]  * cprofitt nods
[16:38] <jono> have a nice few days off :-)
[16:39] <dpm> :-)
[16:39] <nigelb> Yeah, before jono comes with the whip :P
[16:39] <cprofitt> I if give it a show this weekend I will let you know
[16:39] <jono> :-)
[16:39] <jono> thanks cprofitt
[16:39]  * nigelb hugs jono :)
[16:41] <mhall119> jono: is there an epub of Art of Community?
[16:41] <mhall119> I can't hilight text on my nook using the PDF
[16:42] <jcastro> jono: we need a call today pls, I need to get my BPs reviewed and under my belt
[16:42]  * jono hugs nigelb
[16:42] <nigelb> :)
[16:42] <nigelb> dpm: Where are you headed to?
[16:43] <jono> mhall119, there is if you buy it from O'Reilly - let me see if I can get one and hook a brother up :-)
[16:43] <jono> jcastro, sure, no worries, let me check my schedule
[16:43] <mhall119> jono: thanks
[16:43] <jono> jcastro, lets do it this afternoon
[16:43] <jono> jcastro, yah I have approved the other guys' BPs
[16:43] <jcastro> rock
[16:43] <jcastro> I am available whenever
[16:44] <dpm> nigelb, I'm headed to the Republic of Home
[16:44] <nigelb> jcastro: Are you on TripIt Pro?
[16:44] <jono> jcastro, will do it after lunch
[16:44] <dpm> (staying in Valencia and chilling out, as my girlfriend will be working)
[16:44] <nigelb> dpm: Still fun! :)
[16:44] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah
[16:44] <nigelb> jcastro: Worth it?
[16:44] <nigelb> I've been tempted for a while :)
[16:44] <jcastro> easily pays for itself
[16:45] <jcastro> the texts and stuff from it when to check in, etc.
[16:45] <nigelb> oooh.
[16:45] <jcastro> I almost always can get an exit row
[16:45] <nigelb> Nice.
[16:45] <nigelb> Should totally buy then.
[16:45] <jcastro> like, right on time, buzzzzz, check in, claim my seat, done.
[16:45]  * jcastro does
[17:07]  * popey hugs james_w
[17:08] <alourie> I've updated vm to Precise
[17:08] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day
[17:08] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:08] <dholbach> HUGS
[17:08] <james_w> hola
[17:08]  * popey hugs dholbach
[17:08] <alourie> bye dholbach
[17:18] <alourie> it seems that almost any idea I have about improving Ubuntu has been already suggested or implemented...
[17:19]  * alourie is happy that this doesn't include drag and drop to bookmarks in Nautilus though
[17:28] <popey> wow pleia2 you're fast!
[17:28] <pleia2> popey: haha, happened to be checking the planet for something a moment ago and saw it
[17:59] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/16/wheres-chuck/
[18:00] <jono> just sayin' ;-)
[18:00] <jcastro> jono: I can't figure out the maiden one
[18:01] <jcastro> we need a gimp hero
[18:01] <jono> jcastro, popey is a gimp hero
[18:01] <jono> j/k
[18:01]  * jono hugs popey
[18:01] <cprofitt> I may have to give a chuck here
[18:01] <jono> cprofitt, do it!
[18:02] <Daviey> Chuckout lol.
[18:03] <cprofitt> wondering if I should make it a Chulmer
[18:04] <Daviey> I did read it as a chunkout.
[18:05] <jcastro> someone add him to the SOPA hearings on CPAN
[18:05] <jcastro> that would be awesome, because he's Canadian
[18:12] <popey> haha
[18:14] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Chuck-in-parliament.jpg
[18:14] <jcastro> hah
[18:14] <jono> cprofitt, lol
[18:14] <jono> be sure to blog it
[18:14] <cprofitt> I will.
[18:16] <cprofitt> blogged
[18:26] <cprofitt> did another...
[18:27] <cprofitt> nervous energy about my exploded vcenter server...
[19:06]  * jussi takes jono out of context for the fun of it... [20:01:13] <jono> jcastro, popey is a gimp
[19:06] <jcastro> that doesn't seem out of context to me at all!
[19:07] <doctormo-other> jcastro: I just arrived and everything you said was out of context!
[19:07] <jussi> doctormo-other:
[19:07]  * jussi takes jono out of context for the fun of it... [20:01:13] <jono> jcastro, popey is a gimp
[19:07] <jussi> and Im so sorry to all those people I just pinged.... for a second time
[19:08] <doctormo-other> "jussi takes jono" eh
[19:22] <jussi> doctormo-other: hehe
[19:22] <jcastro> jono: you lunching soon?
[19:38] <cprofitt> I think the flash mob chuck dance 'fits' the image the best
[19:48] <cprofitt> jcastro: which do you like best?
[19:49] <jcastro> chucktallica of course
[19:49] <jcastro> the U2 one is clever though
[19:49] <cprofitt> did you see the ones I posted today?
[19:50] <cjohnston> jono: any chance you have a few?
[20:09] <jcastro> http://castrojo.tumblr.com/post/12842730458/ask-mark-wednesday-23-november-1500utc
[20:10] <jcastro> hah
[20:10] <jcastro> I think I've been trolled by sabdfl
[20:11] <cprofitt> he has that cool stache rocking now... so maybe
[20:11] <doctormo-other> cprofitt: Pictures or it didn't happen.
[20:11] <cprofitt> check plaent
[20:11] <akgraner> jcastro, that's awesome!
[20:11] <cprofitt> he posted it right there
[20:11] <pleia2> jcastro: hahah
[20:12] <cprofitt> doctormo-other: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/tache2011-646x1024.jpg
[20:12] <czajkowski> heheh
[20:12] <cprofitt> doctormo-other: really better to read the post though...
[20:13] <doctormo-other> Has he been watching Ashes to Ashes, lol
[20:14] <cprofitt> so my vcenter installation at worked is borked...
[20:14] <cprofitt> not response yet from their support...
[20:14] <cprofitt> is it time to hit the 'panic' button?
[20:14] <doctormo-other> brilliant post
[20:15] <doctormo-other> cprofitt: Do you have a panic button?
[20:15]  * cprofitt looks
[20:15] <cprofitt> I do, but it is labeled 'family emergencies only'
[20:15] <doctormo-other> If you want we can design a panic button for you, put it on the desktop if you've got Ubuntu on your desktop.
[20:16] <cprofitt> I am a black sheep and run Ubuntu at work...
[20:23] <nigelb> So, Canonical hires popey and he opens 3 *new* lists? Wow.
[20:23] <nigelb> (j/k) :P
[20:23] <cjohnston> i thought he closed two
[20:27] <jono> hey cjohnston
[20:27] <cjohnston> o/
[20:27] <jono> can I put something in the calendar for tomorrow?
[20:27] <cjohnston> I'm at work tomorrow..
[20:27] <jono> we need more chuck photos
[20:27] <czajkowski> poor chuck
[20:27] <czajkowski> :)
[20:27] <jono> cjohnston, ok, maybe in a few hours?
[20:28] <cjohnston> ping me when you have time sound good?
[20:30] <jono> cjohnston, will do
[20:30] <cjohnston> :-)
[20:30] <nigelb> jcastro: hi, can we make the etherpad users team an open team?
[20:31] <jcastro> IS doesn't want to do that
[20:31] <nigelb> IS wants to continue to have openid auth
[20:31] <jcastro> oh?
[20:31] <jcastro> I know that
[20:31] <nigelb> Yeah, on the RT I opened.
[20:31] <jcastro> but at UDS they wanted to make the team not be open
[20:31] <nigelb> Want me to link you to it?
[20:31] <jcastro> I have it handy
[20:31] <nigelb> jcastro: No no. I'm suggesting that as an alternative.
[20:31] <nigelb> They want to continue to have openid auth.
[20:33] <jcastro> ah ok
[20:33] <jcastro> well, I am for whaatever makes them happy
[20:34] <czajkowski> I need to log RTs to follow up on stuff
[20:34] <czajkowski> only way I can then PROD/POKE/BRIBE to get them closed
[20:38] <jcastro> nigelb: teams we care about are already in the group
[20:38] <nigelb> I know.
[20:38] <jcastro> locos, members, etc.
[20:48] <doctormo-other> Hmm, Ubuntu has made me so impatiant, trying to use a windows 7 machine to convert an InDesign file is like going back in time waiting 10 mins for the program to load, 10 mins for the disk to be mounted...
[20:50] <jcastro> jono: about yet?
[20:56] <jono> jcastro, yep, give me two ticks
[21:00] <jono> http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/16/wheres-chuck-2/
[21:01] <jcastro> jono: I've started the hangout, just snag me whenevs
[21:01] <jono> jcastro, will be two secs, quick bio break
[21:02] <jono> and then lets bang through the BPs
[21:02] <jcastro> no worries
[22:28] <duanedesign> good afternoon jono
[22:28] <duanedesign> i have never heard the expression 'give me two ticks' and today i have heard(read) it twice
[22:32] <jono> hey duanedesign
[22:32] <duanedesign> hey jono you got a quick minute?
[22:32] <jono> duanedesign, sure
[22:34] <technoviking> have a good night all
[22:36] <czajkowski> technoviking: nn