[01:53] <maLKoc> yes
[01:53] <maLKoc> sudo -s
[01:53] <thoreauputic> Ubuntu_user: normally you don't need to if you use the package manager and repositories ...
[01:53] <maLKoc> root@ubuntu
[01:54] <maLKoc> mkdir /media/win_c
[01:54] <Ubuntu_user> thoreauputic,  yea sure, but cedega aint avaible :)
[01:54] <maLKoc> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /media/win_c
[01:54] <thoreauputic> Ubuntu_user: right
[01:54] <maLKoc> but i can't connect win_c
[01:55] <thoreauputic> maLKoc: are you trying to use nautilus as root? If so, don't
[01:55] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, can you paste here : rafb.net/paste   ?
[01:56] <jesus_> does anyone know about a good fxp client?
[01:56] <maLKoc> i am using windows98 now
[01:56] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, just put your console output and give me the url
[01:56] <thoreauputic> jesus_ fxp?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> or ftp ?
[01:56] <jesus_> fxp
[01:56] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, come back when you're using linux  :p
[01:56] <thoreauputic> ok
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : thanks for the suggestion on gnomebaker
[01:57] <maLKoc> zimba-tm, i am connecting from cafe
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: you're welcome - working OK?
[01:57] <maLKoc> :)
[01:57] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :actually no :(
[01:57] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: :(
[01:57] <maLKoc> :(
[01:58] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: what's the trouble?
[01:58] <maLKoc> i like to ubuntu but i want to my media and documans
[01:59] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, okay, it must be a user permission problem on the device but I'm not sure because you don't give enough informations
[01:59] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : it just hangs after I try to write to the cd
[02:00] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: perhaps if he pasted /etc/fstab in #flood ?
[02:00] <maLKoc> zimba-tm thank you for help me
[02:00] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: have you tried starting it from terminal to see if it shows errors?
[02:00] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :wait it appears that the 3rd time may be the charm
[02:01] <thoreauputic> ah
[02:01] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, he's not on his os
[02:01] <zimba-tm> maLKoc, look here : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=vfat
[02:01] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: rats, yeah I forgot - sorry
[02:01] <zimba-tm> :p
[02:01] <maLKoc> okay.
[02:01] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :Do you know offhand if gnomebaker will burn shn and flac files
[02:02] <zimba-tm> thoreauputic, are you working for canonical ?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: offheand, I haven't the foggiest idea, sorry ;)
[02:02] <thoreauputic> zimba-tm: no
[02:02] <Ed_Gein> its cool I read up on it
[02:02] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :although it appears to have hung at 33%
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> bah this is pissing me off
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> ** Message: exec_thread - created child
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> ** Message: exec_thread - parent created child with pid 12673
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2a662)!
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2a664)!
[02:03] <Ed_Gein> Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x2aba7)
[02:04] <zimba-tm> how could I list all graphical apps that are running ?
[02:04] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: Xlib - hmm - nothing to do with cdrecord then
[02:04] <maLKoc> zimba-tm, oh yes. it's okay
[02:04] <maLKoc> thanks bro.
[02:04] <claint> part
[02:05] <linforcer> yo... anyone here know how I can edit the apps menu in hoary?
[02:06] <MacPlusG3> daniels: ping
[02:07] <linforcer> anyone at all?
[02:07] <daniels> MacPlusG3: yo
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: how's things?
[02:08] <daniels> MacPlusG3: meh.  tired.
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: word on that.
[02:08] <daniels> you?
[02:08] <linforcer> according to the GNOME help I should go to "applications-all-users:///"
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i have VGA out working on my laptop again :)
[02:08] <linforcer> but nautilus says that's not a valid location
[02:08] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: FWIW I get a bunch of gtk warnings with gnomebaker, but it still works...
[02:08] <MacPlusG3> daniels: although, all that effort was for notihng - didn't have projector at presentation tonight :(
[02:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: nice! :) with the latest xorg package, I assume?
[02:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: ah, bugger -- I thought Evan Burge had projectors
[02:09] <daniels> MacPlusG3: (like the MMC, where you guys had LA)
[02:09] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : I'm trying to convert and burn some ogg files now. It appears to be working
[02:09] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i just need a few hours and my laptop is going ubuntu. currently debian sid with ubuntu xorg packages. works fine.... (the ... is /me waiting for you to scream or cry in the corner or something :)
[02:10] <MacPlusG3> daniels: yeah, it had a projector, just not the cable that would let you plug it into your laptop
[02:10] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: that's something, anyway
[02:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: heh :) as long as you say 'works fine'; if you don't, the usual both pieces disclaimer allows
[02:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: ah, d'oh!
[02:10] <zimba-tm> linforcer, did you look at /usr/share/applications ?
[02:10] <MacPlusG3> daniels: ended up going next door (where LA was) for last talk... but too late for me.
[02:10] <daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah
[02:10] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i thought upgrading X about an hour before a presentation was a fun thing to do :)
[02:11] <daniels> heh!
[02:11] <MacPlusG3> daniels: this mergedfb thing is kind of interesting.
[02:11] <MacPlusG3> daniels: esp when you've got an odd shaped screen (like my widescreen laptop here)
[02:12] <psr> Hi
[02:13] <SiRrUs> hello
[02:13] <MacPlusG3> daniels: you got a mobile back yet?
[02:13] <psr> I've just upgraded from Warty to Hoary, and I'm experiencing seemingly random reboots.
[02:13] <Jerub> psr: reboots are commonly caused by hardware failure.
[02:13] <Jerub> psr: have you checked your logs for unusual things?
[02:13] <psr> This doesn't happen under Warty.
[02:15] <psr> Jerub : I don't see anything in /var/log/syslog
[02:16] <Lupius> How can i check what are the numbers of my windows disk?
[02:16] <Ed_Gein> look under /mnt
[02:16] <daniels> MacPlusG3: yeah, same number as I had in December
[02:16] <daniels> MacPlusG3: and yeah, MergedFB rocks; I'm doing it on my dual-head desktop (21" CRT and 17" LCD now)
[02:17] <Lupius> Ed_Gein,  its empty ...
[02:17] <Ed_Gein> hmm
[02:17] <Jerub> psr: okay, so the log just 'stops' and then you see the bootup sequence?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> Lupius:  type  sudo fdisk -l
[02:17] <psr> yes
[02:17] <thoreauputic> fdisk -l /dev/hda for example
[02:17] <Lupius> thoreauputic,  10x
[02:17] <NinDzA> why does xmms dont work? event sound is working
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> computer>disks>filesytem>mnt is empty?
[02:18] <linforcer> zimba-tm: yes all applications vare there, but if I add one there which folder will it show up in in the menu?
[02:18] <psr> Jerub : So I really don't know how to go about isolating the problem.  There's no warning, The first I know is when the screens go blank and the BIOS comes up.
[02:18] <Ed_Gein> NinDzA:what doesn't work? playing mp3's?
[02:18] <selinium_> Hi all, for some reason my machine is not authenticating the su. How do i reset it?
[02:19] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: if you are trying to play mp3 , see the Restricted Formats page on ubuntulinux.org or read http://ubuntuguide.org
[02:19] <NinDzA> Ed_Gein, nothing...cd player doesnt work
[02:19] <Ed_Gein> Nindza are you trying to play mp3?
[02:19] <NinDzA> no
[02:20] <NinDzA> audio from cd
[02:20] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: you probably need to enable digital output for the cd audio plugin in xmms
[02:20] <selinium_> NinDza: is your cd connected to the sound card by a small cable?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> selinium_: exactly ;-)
[02:21] <selinium_> Hi thoreauputic!
[02:21] <thoreauputic> hi
[02:21] <selinium_> I am now on Hoary!
[02:21] <NinDzA> selinium, i have integrated card
[02:21] <thoreauputic> congrats!
[02:21] <Ed_Gein> selenium how?
[02:21] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: How am i on Hoary?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: see what I said above regarding digital output
[02:21] <Ed_Gein> selinium_ :yes
[02:22] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#upgradewartytohoary :)
[02:22] <Ed_Gein> selinium_ :yeah I tried that
[02:22] <NinDzA> thoreauputic, where ?
[02:23] <thoreauputic> NinDzA: NinDzA: you probably need to enable digital output for the cd audio plugin in xmms
[02:23] <selinium_>  Ed_Gein: And it didn't work?
[02:23] <BockBilbo> whats the last hoary array?
[02:23] <universal> can someone tell me how to get my geforce 6800 GT fully working with glide on ubuntu?
[02:23] <BockBilbo> array 6 released today?
[02:23] <StoffBox-Steve> hi guys
[02:24] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : would the fact that I have something "pinned" affect upgrading to hoary?
[02:25] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: if you got it wrong, yeah :)
[02:25] <MacPlusG3> daniels: now just to wait for composite to be fully kick-ass working cool funky stuff.
[02:25] <daniels> MacPlusG3: for it to actually be accelerated
[02:25] <MacPlusG3> daniels: that's the word :)
[02:25] <daniels> universal: glide?  you don't use glide for those sorts of cards, dude
[02:26] <StoffBox-Steve> have a Prob :( , i compile a <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, but when i boot the kernel: after uncompress linux ok , booting the kernel (ok) ... , nothing normaly Starting Ubuntu shows up ... but it dont come :S , someone an idear ?
[02:26] <narr> hi all
[02:26] <narr> I have an installation related problem. I'm trying to get a PC connected to the internet which has a Sitecom WL-022 USB adapter
[02:26] <NinDzA> mp3z are working...
[02:26] <narr> the card uses a prism2 chipset which is supported in linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre25 or pre26
[02:26] <selinium_> thoreauputic: you wouldn't happen to know how to reset the su?
[02:26] <narr> unluckily ubuntu warty doesn't include pre26 and it doesn't compile against the kernel sources which come with ubuntu
[02:26] <thoreauputic> reset root pass you mean?
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : I just found a file named preferences in /etc/apt it contains the following.    Package: *
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> pippin: release a=warty
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> Pin-Priority: 600
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> Package: *
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> pippin: release a=hoary
[02:26] <Ed_Gein> Pin-Priority: 10
[02:27] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: Yes, Every time i try and use su it fails to authenticate.
[02:27] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: you have hoary at a *very* low level
[02:27] <thoreauputic> selinium_: use sudo
[02:27] <thoreauputic> selinium_: with your user pass
[02:28] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: I can use sudo, but I was wondering why I cant use su... Or is that a hoary thing?
[02:28] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic: I remember making that file in order to get mplyer playing nicely with everything. should I remove it?
[02:28] <MacPlusG3> daniels: i think i'm going to catch some zzz - been long few days (weeks). later dude. let's grab beer soon
[02:28] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic : or change it?
[02:28] <thoreauputic> selinium_: there's no root in ubuntu by default (warty or hoary)
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: I'd get rid of it, yes
[02:29] <daniels> MacPlusG3: indeed.  is this weekend good for you?  if so, we should go belgian on saturday or sunday afternoon
[02:29] <Ed_Gein> ok
[02:29] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: ? Strange, I could use the su in warty! No worries :)
[02:29] <thoreauputic> assuming you have the hoary mplayer installed, it should work ok with the hoary update
[02:29] <Ed_Gein> if this goes haywire can I reverrt back to warty with apt-get?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> selinium_: you can set a root pass with sudo passwd root - but it isn't recommended
[02:30] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: not really
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: at least not without 1337 5k1llz ;-)
[02:31] <Jerub> Ed_Gein: sure. back up your system.
[02:31] <psr> I've just done an update, and I've got new apmd and xserver-xorg among other things.  I'll reboot and see if that changes anything
[02:31] <thoreauputic> Jerub: but that's not apt-get :)
[02:33] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: Thanks for the advice! You are the best! (probably why everyone is asking you questions!)
[02:34] <thoreauputic> selinium_: heh - I'm just a user like most others in here : intermediate at best
[02:34] <djmt> I have a question, a newbie question. When in a README file it says "Run ./configure" how do you do that?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> but thanks for the compliment :)
[02:34] <Jerub> djmt: ./configure
[02:34] <djmt> In the terminal?   The ./ just makes sure you don't run any other program named "configure" in your path.
[02:35] <selinium_>  thoreauputic: credit where its due! :)
[02:35] <Jerub> djmt: what? does it sit on the couch all day? refuse to get a job?
[02:36] <djmt> It sits there and plays Nintendo games all day!!
[02:36] <djmt> Yes! Nintendo!
[02:36] <Jerub> I have a gamecube too
[02:37] <selinium_> With Nautilus.. how do you put a launcher on the tool bar in hoary:?
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_restricted_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages)
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> wtf?
[02:37] <selinium_> Run apt-get again!
[02:37] <psr> OK, so that hasn't fixed it, it restarted again during bootup.
[02:37] <Ed_Gein> I've run apt-get update 3 times
[02:38] <selinium_> Ok you must have duplicates in your sources.list
[02:38] <djmt> Anyway, I'm trying to turn on the GUI for MPlayer... and I'm wondering if I have to run 'configure' before it compiles.
[02:39] <psr> The last message I saw was something about loading ACPI modules.  Could that cause spontaneous reboots?
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: umm... what's with the upper cse P in Packages?
[02:39] <kzm> btw, is it a good idea to choose dist-upgrade to be default in synaptic?
[02:39] <BiGBuG> hi everyone!
[02:39] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: that doesn't even look like a proper source url
[02:40] <BiGBuG> is there someone that can help me to configure my asus a2826 notebook wirless card?
[02:40] <SiRrUs> not the one in ubuntuguide anyway ;)
[02:40] <djmt> BiGBuG: Have you tried ndiswrapper?
[02:40] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :beats the hell out of me
[02:41] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: BTW for future reference please don't paste in the channel
[02:41] <Ed_Gein> I didn't put it there
[02:41] <BiGBuG> dmjt: :( it seems that
[02:41] <Ed_Gein> sorry
[02:41] <BiGBuG> dmjt: there aren't drivers for wireless
[02:41] <SiRrUs> Ed_Gein try www.ubuntuguide.org and follow the directions
[02:41] <djmt> Big: You should at least have Windows drivers for Wireless..
[02:41] <Ed_Gein> SiRrUs :thanks, I'll try that again
[02:42] <BiGBuG> dmjt: I have CD driver of my notebook, but driver are compressed
[02:42] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: I think your sources.list is fubar
[02:42] <BiGBuG> dmjt: and no .inf is disposable...
[02:42] <djmt> Have you looked online?
[02:42] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: you can have my sources.list
[02:42] <Ed_Gein> I'm going to rename tsource.list again and creat a new file with the text from ubuntuguide
[02:43] <BiGBuG> yes, on asus site, but links to drivers are broken
[02:43] <selinium_> Ed_Gein: That will work!
[02:43] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: I wonder if your pinning adventure has wrecked your apt configuration somehow?
[02:44] <Ed_Gein> thoreauputic :It might have.But I just followed the directions found on the wiki/forums
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Ed_Gein: no doubt - but it's easy to miss something: for instance when I first installed I thought I had uncommented universe but on closer inspection found I'd missed some other lines: result was "uninstallable packages"
[02:46] <thoreauputic> Once corrected all was well
[02:47] <no0tic> hi
[02:47] <selinium_> HI
[02:47] <no0tic> I've a problem sharing cups printers within my LAN (server & client both running ubuntu hoary)
[02:48] <no0tic> from clients I can't access the server
[02:48] <thoreauputic> gotta go - good night all !
[02:49] <Ed_Gein> selinium_ : are you still around
[02:49] <djmt> Synaptic doesn't install a GUI MPlayer, right?
[02:50] <Ed_Gein> djmt: you have to choose the gui for mplayer
[02:51] <Ed_Gein> anyone running hoary?
[02:51] <eruin> any of you know a nice way to move my /home to a different partition ?
[02:51] <djmt> Ed: gmplayer says it was compiled without GUI options..
[02:52] <Jerub> eruin: log out of everything, control-alt-f2, log in, sudo cp -a /home /newpartition/ ; sudo mv /home/ /home-old ; sudo mount /dev/hdc1 /home
[02:54] <langela> hi
[02:54] <Ed_Gein> this is screwed
[02:54] <membreya-aWay> Jerub: but does that automount as home each time ? I suppose you would just add it to fstab?
[02:54] <langela> well, i don't speak english but i'm gonna try to explain me
[02:55] <Jerub> membreya-aWay: yes, well, editing fstab is also necessery.
[02:55] <Jerub> those were just the steps to gettings home in the right place.
[02:55] <eruin> Jerub: that easy? thanks
[02:55] <eruin> :)
[02:55] <eruin> I've got my fstab set up, I was just wondering if any special trickery was needed to actually move the data
[02:55] <langela> after i install ubutu, y install with synaptic kde, but now the sound doesn't work, the output is: "error while initializing the sound driver
[02:55] <langela> device:default can't be opened for playback(device or resource busy)
[02:55] <langela> the sound server will continue,using the null output device"
[02:56] <langela> cat anybody help me???? please!!!
[02:56] <evarlast> langela: warty or hoary?
[02:57] <langela> warty
[02:57] <evarlast> langela: you type very good english.
[02:57] <evarlast> langela: what kind of sound chip?  Do you know?
[02:57] <langela> thanks!!
[02:57] <Jerub> eruin: cp -a preserves permissions
[02:57] <langela> no, i don't know!
[02:57] <langela> in fact, the sound works before i'd install kde
[02:57] <langela> later, it doesn't work
[02:58] <Ed_Gein> anyone here running hoary?
[02:58] <evarlast> langela: AH!  must be kde's arts conflicting with some other sound system.  In the KDE Control Center, under Sound, uncheck the "Sound Server" option
[02:58] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: I run haory.  Why?
[02:59] <Ed_Gein> evarlast : would you mind checking my souces.list in #ed
[02:59] <d> hi!
[02:59] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: sure, paste away
[02:59] <Ed_Gein> done
[03:00] <isakn> Tell me, what is it that is so fantastic about this distribution? does it have any really good things, like extreme stability, a package system like debian or what? :)
[03:00] <langela> evarlast : and then what???
[03:00] <evarlast> langela: try again?
[03:00] <d> I installed Hoary Array3 and now my XP partition won't boot, despite still being readable under Linux- any ideas?
[03:01] <langela> well, actually i'm not at home now, but i'm taking note what you said!!
[03:01] <isakn> have you perhaps done something to your boot loader?
[03:01] <isakn> or the bootloader file? (i cant remember the name of that - a long time since i've used linux :()
[03:02] <d> isakn: grub seems to be setup correctly
[03:02] <isakn> Hmm.. i almost can't help you, but when you boot up does it show a screen where you can choose or something?
[03:03] <langela> so, uncheck the sound server, and it works???
[03:03] <d> isakn: yes, I can boot into Linux OK from grub, but XP doesn't get anywhere
[03:03] <isakn> ela) so, uncheck the sound server, and it works???
[03:03] <isakn> (15:03:29) (d) isakn: yes, I can boot into Linux OK from grub, but XP doesn't get anywhere
[03:03] <isakn> bah, im sorry - 2sek
[03:03] <isakn> i dont know if http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ can help you :)
[03:04] <tweek> hi
[03:04] <isakn> hi, tweek.
[03:04] <isakn> :)
[03:04] <tweek> :)
[03:04] <d> So nobody else in here had Array3 mess up their Windows partition?
[03:05] <langela> but, the sound in the konsole works normally, the others not!
[03:05] <tweek> do i jsut do format /dev/hda/ to format? o.0
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> isakn: how are your hd set up
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> I'm sorry
[03:05] <isakn> oh, alright :)
[03:05] <Ed_Gein> D:how are your hd set up
[03:06] <evarlast> tweek: no.  fdisk & mkfs
[03:06] <isakn> a couple of partitions - but im on xp, i dont have linux at this time :(
[03:06] <tweek> thanks evarlast
[03:06] <d> ed: hda1=XP, hda2=Linux root, hdb1=/home
[03:06] <Ed_Gein> I'll never understand why people don't use seperate hd for dual booting
[03:06] <d> hda3=swap
[03:07] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: because it is really not necessary if you know what you are doing.
[03:07] <Ed_Gein> I know
[03:07] <Ed_Gein> but it seems so much cleaner to me
[03:07] <d> ed: I don't have any room for a 3rd HD
[03:08] <eruin> can anyone tell me what drwxrwsr-x is in chmod-terms?
[03:08] <d> Can't afford one anyway
[03:08] <tweek> i keep geting "unable to open /dev/hda"
[03:09] <langela> evarlast : thanks for the help!
[03:09] <d> I really think this will be something I'd have to do under Windows, maybe from the XP recovery mode, booting off the install CD.
[03:09] <aristocrat> my fellow ubuntu men, could some one pass me a mkinitrd script which modifies the initrd ;)
[03:09] <evarlast> eruin: the chmod man page tells you in detail that the d means directory, the first rwx means read, write, execute, for the owner of teh file, teh second rwx means teh same for the group owner of the file, and the r-x means read, execute for all others.
[03:10] <Jerub> hmm.
[03:10] <evarlast> d: what is the problem?  so far you have just said array3 gives you problems
[03:10] <d> evarlast: After installing array3, grub doesn't boot XP
[03:10] <evarlast> d: but it boots linux?
[03:10] <langela> bye
[03:11] <langela> \q
[03:11] <evarlast> langela: you are welcome, good bye
[03:11] <d> evar: yes, and I can still read the XP partition undr Linux
[03:11] <d> evar: The grub menu.lst is setup correctly, thats not the problem
[03:11] <evarlast> d: I'm sorry, I'm not familiar enough with grub to help.  I'm actually using lilo w/ubuntu right now, because grub doesn't like my 3ware card.
[03:13] <Ed_Gein> After upadating to hoary is it nescesary to add the restricted formats repo to sources.list
[03:13] <eruin> if you want restricted formats
[03:13] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: it is not NECESSARY, but it is also no harm.
[03:13] <eyequeue> only if you want what is in there
[03:14] <Ed_Gein> lol at my spelling
[03:14] <Ed_Gein> I knew it looked wrong
[03:14] <d> OK, I'm thinking of booting off the XP install CD and running the 'fixmbr' prog, which MIGHT sort it out, but then what do I do under Linux to re-install grub?
[03:15] <evarlast> lol, I didn't even notice. I was just trying to stress necessary as if I were using it in speech.
[03:15] <Ed_Gein> lol
[03:15] <Ed_Gein> where's spellcheck when I need it
[03:15] <Odin2347> i feel running outside and singing
[03:15] <Odin2347> i feel like*
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> why so happy?
[03:16] <Odin2347> i just wiped windows and installed ubuntu and...MY WIRELESS CARD ACTUALLY WORKS!
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> lol
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> congrats
[03:16] <Odin2347> its currently downloading and updating all the apps
[03:16] <isakn> omg, i would like to run out and scream with you Odin2347 :D
[03:16] <Odin2347> hehe
[03:16] <Ed_Gein> if it wasn't for splinter cell windows would be gone from my life
[03:16] <Odin2347> ubuntu is about the 10th distro ive tried too
[03:16] <isakn> i couldnt make my wireless work at the time i had linux
[03:17] <Odin2347> i think splinter cell works with cedega
[03:17] <isakn> ive never tried it, but it seems as if it's all booming up right at this time? or am i wrong?
[03:17] <Ed_Gein> ubuntu really is a dream
[03:17] <isakn> but cedega costs money
[03:17] <Odin2347> eh
[03:17] <Odin2347> only $5 a month
[03:17] <Odin2347> so have to buy 3 months
[03:17] <Odin2347> so you spend $15
[03:17] <Ed_Gein> last time I checked splinter cell didn't work
[03:17] <Odin2347> download it
[03:17] <Odin2347> and keep it
[03:17] <isakn> alright alright, its not many money, but im under 18 so i dont have a creditcard yet :(
[03:17] <Odin2347> ill check
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> I paid the 15 after reading that farcry worked
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> what a joke
[03:18] <Chipzz> isakn: have you bothered trying wine proper?
[03:18] <Jerub> emulation sucks :(
[03:18] <Jerub> buy an xbox and a tv tuner card.
[03:18] <Chipzz> Jerub: like hell it doesn't
[03:18] <Ed_Gein> on my 3000+ 1gb ram and 6800gt oc I was getting like 5 frames asecond
[03:18] <Jerub> Chipzz: was that a sarcastic double negative?
[03:19] <Chipzz> isakn: for some games wine proper even works better than winex
[03:19] <Odin2347> LOL
[03:19] <Odin2347> 5 frames a second on that?!
[03:19] <Odin2347> i get like 20 on my FX5200
[03:19] <Chipzz> Jerub: no, it was a sarcastic negative :P
[03:19] <Ed_Gein> it was pretty much unplayable
[03:19] <Odin2347> :/
[03:19] <isakn> Chipzz yes, i have tried wine
[03:19] <isakn> very much indeed
[03:20] <daniels> guys, can we please not have long discussions about slagging off wine/winex/crossover in here?  there are plenty of wine channels
[03:20] <eyequeue> thanks
[03:20] <Jerub> Chipzz: even so, please rephrase, I don't actually know what you mean.
[03:20] <isakn> daniels what do you want to discuss then?
[03:20] <Chipzz> Jerub: emulation sure as hell does NOT suck
[03:20] <Odin2347> you should just buy native linux games
[03:20] <isakn> nobodys asking about problems right now.
[03:20] <eyequeue> isakn:  ubuntu would be okay with me :)
[03:20] <Odin2347> UT2004 on linux is great
[03:20] <Chipzz> it's just hard to get right
[03:21] <daniels> isakn: leave it open for support.  having the channel flooded with random 'transgaming sux, i hate it' discourages people who would otherwise ask support questions.
[03:21] <psr> Hi, does anyone know anything about Grub?  My config seems to have got messed up when I updated Hoary, and now I can't get back into Warty.
[03:21] <Jerub> Chipzz: I've never had anything but troubles.
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> ut2k4 is great on linux
[03:21] <Odin2347> yea
[03:21] <Odin2347> so is doom 3
[03:21] <daniels> isakn: psr's problem for once
[03:21] <daniels> s/once/one/
[03:21] <Jerub> Chipzz: and I finished starcraft:broodwar under linux, played fallout2 most of the way through, run acrobat for windows under linux, etc.
[03:21] <Chipzz> Jerub: I guess it depends on the apps you try
[03:21] <Ed_Gein> I never got sound working on doom3
[03:21] <Odin2347> :/
[03:21] <daniels> psr: so you have warty and hoary dual-booting, or?
[03:21] <Jerub> Chipzz: i've *always* spend *days* setting up shit.
[03:21] <isakn> daniels i see your point :)
[03:21] <Jerub> and it never works as easily as you want it to.
[03:22] <isakn> Jerub: Odin2347 and so on - #cedega :)
[03:22] <eyequeue> isakn:  if you really want to help with something, you could get my sound working finally, heh
[03:22] <theine> Jerub: like what?
[03:22] <psr> daniels : Yes.  I wanted to switch to Hoary, but I'm suffering random reboots, so I'd like to switch back to Hoary, only now all the entries in my boot menu point at Hoary.  Its like a bad dream I can't wake up from :-)
[03:23] <isakn> eyequeue whats up with it?
[03:23] <Lupius> Why i cant mount my 2nd windows drive?
[03:23] <eyequeue> isakn:  no clue, it's never worked, and not on the list of laptops on the wiki
[03:23] <psr> daniels : switch back to Warty even.
[03:23] <isakn> psr i didnt understand that, you tried switching to Hoary, but you suffered random reboots and wanted to switch back?
[03:23] <isakn> oh, alright :d
[03:23] <CarlK> where are some docs about hoary-install-i386/install/netboot
[03:23] <isakn> whats the name of it eyequeue?
[03:24] <eyequeue> isakn:  it's probably not a simple fix, so if you don't have time now, that's fine btw
[03:24] <Ubuntian> i missed some lines: splinter cell works on linux?
[03:24] <eyequeue> isakn:  name of the laptop?
[03:24] <theine> Lupius: how did you try to mount it?
[03:24] <daniels> psr: press Esc when the GRUB menu comes up (or hides), press e once, then down, then e again.  in the line that comes up, change root=/dev/hdaX to whatever your Warty root partition is, then run sudo update-grub, once you're in the Warty system.
[03:24] <isakn> or the soundcard
[03:24] <evarlast> isakn: what kernel version/build are you using.  I've heard some rather unstable ones were put out in hoary.
[03:24] <isakn> i would like to try helping somebody for once :D
[03:24] <Ed_Gein> Ubuntian : it didn't the last time I checked
[03:25] <psr> daniels : Thanks.
[03:25] <isakn> evarlast no linux atm, im downloading ubuntu right now, though
[03:25] <eyequeue> isakn:  it's a  gateway 4530gz
[03:25] <CarlK> eyequeue - here are some tips: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems
[03:25] <isakn> alright
[03:25] <Lupius> theine, normlay... i gust checked out that i have forget to make the /media/windows1 dir :)
[03:25] <CarlK> but that page needs lots of help
[03:25] <daniels> psr: no worries, good luck
[03:25] <isakn> i've just heard alot about ubuntu in these times, and i though it would be interesting to try :)
[03:25] <psr> eyB
[03:26] <isakn> its along time since ive had linux - i really miss playing around with something in the terminal :):)))))
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> isakn:give it a try
[03:26] <isakn> does it have any special good things?
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> I've tried dozens of distros and this is the best by far
[03:26] <isakn> alright
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> apt-get
[03:26] <isakn> alright - i know that one :)
[03:26] <Ed_Gein> painless install
[03:26] <Ubuntian> it's a lot better that mandrake that's for sure
[03:26] <evarlast> its debian based, but up to date and provides a refined user experience in comparison to debian and most other distro
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> the people are pleasant
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> although that will change as it grows
[03:27] <Ed_Gein> :(
[03:27] <evarlast> I wouldn't say it is a lot better than MDK.  It is certainly better than MDK if you prefer a gnome desktop.
[03:27] <CarlK> isakn - Ubuntu is very good at detecting hardware
[03:27] <Chipzz> evarlast: how does debian not provide a refined user experience?
[03:27] <Ubuntian> i had gnome on MDK
[03:27] <Jerub> Chipzz: ubuntu babys you more
[03:27] <eyequeue> isakn:  0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:28] <isakn> it really sounds good :).. i've had fedora along time ago, and some other small distros - but then i just gave up, when i got wireless internet :(
[03:28] <CarlK> so no one knows what this netboot/ dir is for?
[03:28] <Ubuntian> installing the nvidia drivers in MDK is not for the beginners
[03:28] <welly> Hello guys, does anyone know of an application or patch or other that'll let you hide the boot up sequence under an image?
[03:28] <Ubuntian> it took me 3 minutes in Ubuntu
[03:28] <theine> isakn: which wireless card do you have?
[03:28] <djmt> IS there such a thing as 'unmake'? :P
[03:28] <Chipzz> evarlast: once you got debian set up, it's as easy as ubuntu ;)
[03:29] <Chipzz> Ubuntu is just easier to install :)
[03:29] <welly> found one - bootsplash
[03:29] <evarlast> Chipzz: Debian does very little to make things easy to use.  Debian says: edit this config file using your favorite editor.  And debian seems to think this is fine.  Other distributions try to provide tools to make common tasks easy.
[03:29] <eyequeue> djmt:  make clean perhaps?
[03:29] <Chipzz> evarlast: which is mostly one-time things
[03:29] <isakn> theine arh.. i really cant remember, but i just drilled a hole in my wall so there can go a netcable through it - it's very annoying with the wireless cause it was very unstable at times too..
[03:29] <evarlast> Chipzz: debian is an excellent distribution.  I've run it on a single server since 1998
[03:30] <theine> isakn: oh i see
[03:30] <Chipzz> though I must admit that the network administration thing is nice
[03:30] <CarlK> isakn  - https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:30] <Chipzz> evarlast: I have used it on my desktop for over 2 years
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> ruhroh, something just failed onmy upgrade
[03:31] <CarlK> another page that is very incomplete
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> execution scheduler?
[03:31] <djmt> I'm trying to view Xvid movies in fullscreen. Any suggestions?
[03:31] <Jerub> djmt: 'xine'
[03:31] <Chipzz> evarlast: ubuntu among other things does install some packages that are also in debian but that don't get installed by default
[03:31] <Jerub> djmt: 'f' for fullscreen
[03:31] <Ed_Gein> mplayer
[03:31] <theine> Chipzz: Actually I'm quite sure that any of the Ubuntu developers will agree with you that Debian is an excellent distribution...
[03:32] <djmt> Jerub: f in xine?
[03:32] <Jerub> djmt: yes.
[03:32] <isakn> eyequeue hmm.. i cant seem to find anythinig about it, unfortunatelyt :(
[03:32] <Chipzz> Ubuntu is in some ways more polished then debian, especially the admin applications
[03:32] <Ubuntian> well that's why they based ubuntu on it
[03:32] <eyequeue> isakn:  thanks anyway mate
[03:32] <aljo^> hy
[03:33] <Chipzz> and Ubuntu has more recent gnome packages :)
[03:33] <djmt> Jerub: Thanks, I'll try that. mplayer is giving me all sorts of problems.
[03:33] <evarlast> Chipzz: I understand.  I'm glad we agree.
[03:33] <aljo^> any1 know how to add parameters to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:33] <aljo^> ?
[03:33] <isakn> i tried the ALSA webpage, and some google - but it seems it isnt supported by alsa yet i think.
[03:33] <aljo^> i need to add this export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0
[03:33] <isakn> CarlK i think its there, the Netgear WG511 - its not supported out of the box, but it should work :)
[03:33] <Chipzz> but debian can be quite polished if you want it too ;)
[03:33] <Chipzz> it's just more effort :)
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> anyone know why I'm getting the following error when I
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> m trying to compile something:
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> lavpipe.c: In function `close_segment_inputs':
[03:33] <membreya-aWay> lavpipe.c:585: error: label at end of compound statement
[03:33] <evarlast> Chipzz: i.e. you have to polish debian yourself, but it provides nice tools to polish it with.
[03:33] <Chipzz> and debian and ubuntu benefit _mutually_ :)
[03:34] <thenuke> Chipzz: yup, ubuntu is just polished by default a bit :)
[03:34] <evarlast> Chipzz: I dunno, do you think debian will ever get Xorg?  ;)
[03:34] <Ubuntian> for linux to conquer windows users it must be idiotproof, Ubuntu manages that
[03:34] <Chipzz> evarlast: yes, after sarge
[03:34] <Ed_Gein> couple years
[03:34] <Chipzz> evarlast: you should remember debian has a different scope from Ubuntu
[03:34] <CarlK> isakn - one of my cards was listed as "yes/no" or something, and the hoary install set it up perfectly
[03:34] <aljo^> anybody knows?
[03:35] <isakn> thats nice!
[03:35] <aljo^> i need to add: export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0, to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:35] <Chipzz> debian is just more focussed on stability IMHO
[03:35] <aljo^> how can i add this?
[03:35] <evarlast> Chipzz: that is exactly what I am remembering and stating.
[03:35] <Chipzz> debian also runs on a lot more architectures than ubuntu
[03:36] <Toadstool> hi
[03:36] <Chipzz> that's luggage it drags along
[03:36] <Ed_Gein> after upgrading to hoary do I need to configure anything for x.org
[03:37] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: does your X work?  if yes, then no, else yes.
[03:37] <aljo^> how can i add export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0 to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:37] <isakn> eyequeue http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Intel&card=.&chip=440MX%2C+i810%2C+i810%2C+i810E%2C+i820%2C+i820&module=intel8x0#Inst - there as install instruction for some other intel cards, but im not sure its working for you
[03:37] <Ed_Gein> evarlast : it hasn't finished yet. I was just trying to cover nay bases before the time comes
[03:37] <isakn> but what harm can it do to try :)?
[03:38] <Chipzz> but when I install debian I always just install the base system, and then pull in additional packages manually with apt-get install :P
[03:38] <Odin2347> ahh i need help
[03:38] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: mine migrate itself.
[03:38] <Ubuntian> apt-get doesn't work in other distros outside Debian/Ubuntu?
[03:38] <Toadstool> i'd like to test trac with my ubuntu before installing it on my svn server but the python2.3-subversion package is yet not available under Hoary. Is there any chance that it'll be released one day ?
[03:39] <Ubuntian> does it?
[03:39] <CarlK> apt-get works undr RH
[03:39] <Odin2347> my wireless card is working the drivers are loaded after i installed it it updated all the packages but i cant browse the web?!!?!
[03:39] <evarlast> Ubuntian: its not the default/prefered package system in other distro's, except fink on OSX
[03:39] <aljo^> can anybody help?
[03:39] <Ed_Gein> Ubuntian :there's slapt-get for slack and I think a version for mandrake as well
[03:39] <aljo^> how can i add export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0 to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:40] <Ubuntian> k
[03:40] <CarlK> Odin2347 - is your card on this page: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[03:41] <Ed_Gein> Mail
[03:41] <Odin2347> yes it is
[03:41] <CarlK> good start.. which one?
[03:41] <Odin2347> dlink g520
[03:42] <piratePenguin> umm.. In my infinite wisdom, I removed my root password string from /etc/shaddow and replaced it with a space, hoping that root would have ' ' as a password (just so a friend can use the pc.. he wouldn't be online or fcuk anything up)... anyhow, once I logged out as root I can't log back in.. I kinda disabled sudo aswell so how am I gonna fix this up? (If I could edit /etc/passwd I could replace roots 'x' with a ' ', I know that now)
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> rebuiling the database this may take some time
[03:42] <Ed_Gein> time for some coffee
[03:43] <CarlK> Odin2347 - for kicks, open a term and do dmesg|less
[03:43] <Odin2347> eh what does that do
[03:43] <CarlK> look for where the drivers get loaded - my dlink 650 had some funny stuff
[03:43] <Odin2347> okk
[03:43] <Odin2347> during the install it wasnt able to automatically configure DCHP
[03:43] <Ed_Gein> I hope that saying yes to all of htese questions isn't going to hose my system
[03:44] <Odin2347> DHCP***
[03:44] <Ubuntian> what does it take for a software that works only on windows to work on linux? the sourcecode and then compile? or..?
[03:44] <CarlK> Ubuntian - check out wine
[03:44] <Toadstool> piratePenguin: do you have a Knoppix cd somewhere ? If so reboot with knoppix mount your root disk then chroot to it and use passwd as if you were logged as root under your ubuntu
[03:44] <aljo^> can anybody help me?
[03:44] <aljo^> please
[03:44] <Ubuntian> i've heard wine has many flaws
[03:44] <Ed_Gein> should I be worried about this?
[03:45] <Ed_Gein> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `(??????-?,???????)' for schema (/schemas/apps/gnome-terminal/global/active_encodings)
[03:45] <bzbb> Ubuntian, if you drink too much, you fall over
[03:45] <piratePenguin> (Toadstool): all I have is the ubuntu live cd.. would that work?
[03:45] <CarlK> Ubuntian - it does, but it works pretty good for some
[03:46] <Ubuntian> let's say i have the sourcecode, can i make it work on linux for sure?
[03:46] <Toadstool> piratePenguin: yes i suppose it will as far as you can run a linux system with root privelegies it should work
[03:47] <piratePenguin> (Toadstool): k, thanks
[03:47] <Ubuntian> nobody?
[03:47] <CarlK> Ubuntian - if you have all the libaries, yes
[03:47] <evarlast> Ubuntian: sourcecode to waht?  any program?  sure, you may have to rewrite 99.999% of it, but you can make it work.
[03:47] <Odin2347> CarlK: i get IRQ1-->1 IRQ2 -> 2 etc etc..
[03:48] <aljo^> how can i add export SETUP_CDROM=/media/cdrom0 to sh call.of.duty_1.5-english.run
[03:48] <CarlK> hmm, I spoke too fast.... - you need the libaries for the OS you are compiling for (right?)
[03:48] <aljo^> ?!
[03:48] <membreya> does anyone here know the command convert and where I can get it ?
[03:48] <Toadstool> please help ! does anybody know if the python2.3-subversion package is up to be released soon for Hoary ?
[03:48] <membreya> it's used for resizing images
[03:48] <CarlK> membreya - I do...
[03:48] <CarlK> membreya image-magick
[03:48] <piratePenguin> I have a computer here with only one IDE bus on the mobo.. and I have an IDE cable with 2 port things for my cdrom + harddrive... anyhow, does my harddrive *have* to be master and the cdrom slave in order to boot (ie, not get a kernel panic)
[03:48] <membreya> aaah awesome, thanks CarlK :)
[03:49] <CarlK> ;)
[03:49] <HcE> piratePenguin: no
[03:49] <HcE> piratePenguin: I have my harddrive as hdc and a CD-ROM as hda
[03:49] <membreya> just trying to set everything up for avidemux :) ....gawd.. I think I'm going to have to create a new panel..my top one is almost full of shortcuts :|
[03:49] <HcE> <-- sata
[03:49] <piratePenguin> (HcE): hmm.. I guess I better try it again ... thanks
[03:50] <HcE> piratePenguin: check that grub is correct before you try to reboot :)
[03:50] <piratePenguin> (HcE): should it work for IDE too?
[03:50] <piratePenguin> (HcE): oh yea, heh, thanks
[03:50] <HcE> yes
[03:50] <membreya> HcE: you can always edit grub at boot :P
[03:50] <evarlast> piratePenguin: how old of a computer?  many old IDE CDROM drives did not like to be master w/ a slave HD on the same channel
[03:51] <Odin2347> when i type dmesg|less is this right IRQ1-->1 IRQ2--->2 etc etc
[03:51] <HcE> membreya: of course, but it's better to get it right the first time
[03:51] <piratePenguin> it's not too old.. it's an IQON pc... a tiny yoke
[03:51] <membreya> :)
[03:51] <piratePenguin> one a thse small pc's
[03:53] <CarlK> Odin2347 - here is the funny text I thought you mignt find: "acx100: It looks like you've been coaxed into buying a wireless network card that uses the mysterious ACX100/ACX111 chip from Texas Instruments.
[03:53] <CarlK> "
[03:53] <membreya> subliminal messages in dmesg CarlK :P
[03:53] <Odin2347> lol
[03:54] <membreya> hoary works perfectly with my ACX111 chipset'd card :)
[03:54] <Odin2347> my router doesnt show me as connected
[03:54] <CarlK> mine too
[03:54] <Odin2347> only my brothers windows px
[03:54] <Odin2347> pc*
[03:54] <Odin2347> the light on the back of the wireless card is lit
[03:54] <Odin2347> its shown under device manager
[03:54] <Odin2347> and the drivers are loaded
[03:54] <Odin2347> wlan ath_pci and ath_hal
[03:55] <membreya> god...so many updates going thru, downloaded 100mb this morning...another 15mb now
[03:55] <Odin2347> but i cant browse the web
[03:55] <CarlK> Odin2347 - you are very close... im doing 4 other things, so im pretty distracted
[03:55] <Odin2347> :/
[03:55] <Odin2347> ok
[03:55] <Toadstool> :'( last attempt : does anybody know if the python2.3-subversion package will be released soon for Hoary ?
[03:55] <CarlK> like trying to fiugre out how to install from an FTP/web/lanthing server
[03:56] <membreya> image magick is taking forever to compile :|
[03:56] <CarlK> membreya - there should be a apt-get package for it
[03:56] <membreya> finally..a program that's compiled from go to woah without erroring out
[03:57] <membreya> don't tell me that now CarlK :P
[03:57] <Odin2347> im getting tempted to install windows again
[03:57] <Odin2347> 2 weeks and 11 distros and still no wireless
[03:58] <Odin2347> with an atheros card that shows up as "working out of the box" on every distros hardware database
[03:58] <mlambie> is there any way i can increase the size each button takes on the bottom panel? they're tiny, width wise (in hoary)
[03:58] <membreya> Odin2347: what distro of ubuntu are you using?
[03:58] <Toadstool> Odin2347: have you tried ndiswrapper with your win drivers ?
[03:58] <membreya> mlambie
[03:58] <membreya> right click on the notification panel
[03:58] <membreya> between your icons
[03:58] <membreya> and your show desktop button
[03:58] <membreya> go to preferences
[03:58] <mjr> Odin2347, do you have the linux-restricted-modules package corresponding to your kernel?
[03:58] <membreya> and change minimum width
[03:58] <mjr> (or what was the name, something like that anyway)
[03:58] <mlambie> membreya, ahh, thanks
[03:58] <theine> membreya: it's in both warty and hoary and it's called imagemagick...
[03:59] <membreya> theine: just finished compiling and installing :)
[03:59] <membreya> hey I'm running a 64bit version of hoary.. I like things to be painful
[03:59] <theine> membreya: well, if you prefer to not have your software installation tracked by a package manager...
[04:00] <membreya> theine: getting a 200gb SATA drive..trying to decide if I should wipe my existing 120gb and just start all over :)
[04:00] <membreya> have the 200gb as a downloads drive
[04:00] <membreya> 120gb as system
[04:00] <theine> You should really look into apt-get/synaptic if you haven't done so already -- it's great
[04:01] <membreya> thankfully I always have make uninstall to fall back on :)
[04:01] <theine> sure, but still
[04:01] <membreya> I know I should be using synaptic..but I've been playing with my system all night..head's a bit fried
[04:02] <membreya> but thankfully I've got transcoding all working with a pretty gui...windows no longer has a lifeline / get out of jail free card
[04:02] <Odin2347> mjr i have no idea
[04:03] <mjr> Odin2347, well, the atheros driver is in there, so check
[04:04] <daejavu> how can i add programmes to run in the startup ?  and how can i control services that run in the begingin ?
[04:04] <membreya> daejavu: if you're referring to gnome, go to System > Preferences > Sessions
[04:05] <Odin2347> mjr how do i check
[04:06] <mlambie> did anyone else find their fonts were really blurry when they upgraded to hoary?
[04:06] <daejavu> membreya: roger lemme check
[04:07] <mlambie> I seem to have two different drivers loaded for my network card: e100 and eepro100. this doesn't seem right? I'm getting poor throughput on the interface. both are loaded by mii
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> please HELP mw!
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> my apt speed is pathetic - 2kbps - 3kbps!
[04:09] <da_bon_bon> wat do i do ?
[04:09] <mjr> Odin2347, from synaptic
[04:09] <mjr> Odin2347, look for packages with restricted in the name
[04:09] <mjr> going now
[04:09] <membreya> da_bon_bon: how are your other speeds?
[04:09] <membreya> remembering a big update went thru
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> membreya: all others are fast.
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> usually i used to get 12kbps to 13kbps on apt
[04:10] <da_bon_bon> but now no! from some 7days
[04:11] <membreya> i cry cos I only get 100kb/s on apt :(
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> better than 2kbps!
[04:12] <tritium> mlambie, maybe you don't like font anti-aliasing
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> membreya: which mirror do u use ?
[04:12] <membreya> erm ....all of them ? :) I use all mirrors listed on ubuntuguide
[04:13] <membreya> plus I have a marillat repo bookmarked in firefox cos it has lots of amd64 builds
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> membreya: how do i setup apt to use mirrors ?
[04:14] <membreya> da_bon_bon: edit your etc/apt/sources.list
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> membreya: and add what ? can u post your sources.list on www.pastebin.com ?
[04:15] <membreya> da_bon_bon: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:16] <isakn> would 10gb room be enough for Ubuntu? Plus stuff like programs, etc. :)?
[04:16] <esher> are there a port of new kvirc 3.2.x for ubuntu outhere ?
[04:16] <daejavu> membreya: thanks dude .,... it works ! =)
[04:16] <da_bon_bon> membreya: i asked mirrors, not repos!
[04:17] <membreya> sorry da_bon_bon :) I just have the most repo's available
[04:17] <membreya> daejavu: np
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> membreya: and which /mirror/ do u use ?
[04:18] <LinuxJones> isakn, yeah 10 gig is fine
[04:19] <LinuxJones> isakn, really it depends on how much space you need for your personal files
[04:19] <Odin2347> can anyone
[04:19] <Laibsch> Hi, I just downloaded and burned ubuntu live CD. Now that I popped it in to try it out, it gives me a grub boot prompt.  hmm.  Doesn't appear to be so friendly for trying out ubuntu.  What do I need to type to fire things up?
[04:19] <Odin2347> help me with my wireless
[04:19] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, what kind of card do you have ?
[04:19] <Odin2347> dlink g520
[04:19] <membreya> da_bon_bon: I will post on the mailing list and see if I can get you an answer :)
[04:20] <plx> i think you will need ndis-wrapper drivers for this one
[04:20] <Odin2347> why?!
[04:20] <Odin2347> it should work "out of the box"
[04:20] <Odin2347> according to the hardware databse
[04:21] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, your card whould be working out of the box according to this >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards/
[04:21] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, err *should*
[04:21] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, are you running hoary or warty ?
[04:21] <Buggz> I ned some help creating a route through my linux-based server, I've had a friend working on it for some time, but he couldn't make it work correctly.  My server has two network cards, where the one is connected to the outside world, and the other to my home computer.  The server gets an ip through the areas dhcp-server, and my home computer through the servers own dhcp-server.
[04:21] <da_bon_bon> membreya: thanks
[04:22] <Odin2347> warty
[04:22] <Odin2347> just installed it
[04:22] <Odin2347> it detected the card and network but couldnt auto detect dhcp
[04:22] <Odin2347> so i had to enter the info manually
[04:22] <evarlast> Buggz: did you try rusty's reliable guide?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, ok so the card is detected ok but dhcp is not working ?
[04:23] <Slaven> Where can I ask Cedega questions?
[04:23] <Buggz> evarlast, where do I find it?
[04:23] <HcE> when compiling a kernel with initrd, should I have cramfs as a module or built-in?
[04:23] <da_bon_bon> membreya: from http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive/view?searchterm=mirrors , which mirror do u use ?
[04:23] <membreya> hmmmm when I get my 200gb SATA drive, I'm going to move my downloads and vids to it ...and clear my 120gb SATA so it's all for linux system files...is there any way to increase the existing partitions or will I need to reformate
[04:23] <evarlast> Buggz: netfilter.org - google for rusty's guide site:netfilter.org
[04:23] <Slaven> membreya: parted
[04:24] <membreya> Slaven: parted will let me resize the partitions? :)
[04:24] <Buggz> okeydokey
[04:24] <Slaven> membreya: Yes.
[04:24] <Odin2347> LinuxJones: yes
[04:24] <Slaven> parted /dev/hdxx resize [start]  [stop]
[04:24] <membreya> oh ...maybe I should use the aussie mirror da_bon_bon :)
[04:24] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, what kind or router do you have ?
[04:24] <universal> are there anyone who can tell me if their Steam counterstrike is woking without any problems?
[04:25] <jesus_> how do i run a .jar file?
[04:25] <Odin2347> dlink
[04:25] <membreya> jesus_: with java
[04:25] <Odin2347> di624
[04:25] <universal> are there anyone who can tell me if their Steam counterstrike is woking without any problems?
[04:25] <universal> with point3play
[04:25] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, there outta be some web-browser based config utility to setup your router to allow connections from your wireless nic card
[04:25] <universal> with point2play
[04:26] <Odin2347> i know
[04:26] <Odin2347> im in it now
[04:26] <Odin2347> WEP is disabled
[04:26] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, I am sure it's just some stupid checkbox :D
[04:26] <Odin2347> hmm
[04:26] <Odin2347> waht could it be :?
[04:26] <Odin2347> what*
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> membreya: maybe. but u use the normal archive.ubuntu.com mirror ?
[04:27] <jesus_> membreya:  does java come with ubuntu?
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> jesus_: no.
[04:27] <Laibsch> It looks like I was offline for a couple of minutes.  So in case anyone replied, sorry I missed it.  Can you answer again?  Sorry to bother you.
[04:27] <Laibsch> Hi, I just downloaded and burned ubuntu live CD. Now that I popped it in to try it out, it gives me a grub boot prompt.  hmm.  Doesn't appear to be so friendly for trying out ubuntu.  What do I need to type to fire things up?
[04:27] <da_bon_bon> jesus_: it can be installed though
[04:27] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, if you are using a static ip address you will probably have to set your router up to assign the same ip to the wireless nic that you have setup in the ubuntu network settings. Again dhcp usually works great most of the time :)
[04:28] <membreya> jesus_: nope, you gotta install it
[04:28] <da_bon_bon> Odin2347: head? :)
[04:28] <Odin2347> yea
[04:28] <Odin2347> no ehad
[04:28] <Odin2347> lol
[04:28] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, another nic might already have that ip address assigned maybe ?
[04:28] <universal> ..someone who have point2play?
[04:28] <Odin2347> !!!
[04:29] <Odin2347> i think thats it!
[04:29] <Odin2347> yea
[04:29] <Odin2347> i just checked
[04:29] <Odin2347> same ip as my brothers computer
[04:29] <Odin2347> :/
[04:29] <apokryphos> heh
[04:29] <Odin2347> what should i change it to?
[04:29] <Buggz> evarlast, I didn't find too much on routing
[04:29] <apokryphos> Odin2347: something like <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:29] <evarlast> Buggz: eth0 outside, eth1 inside?
[04:30] <Buggz> other way around
[04:30] <Odin2347> Starting IP Address 	192 . 168 . 0 .
[04:30] <Odin2347> Ending IP Address 	192 . 168 . 0 .
[04:30] <Odin2347> what does that mean
[04:30] <Odin2347> its in my router configuration tool..
[04:30] <Odin2347> it goes from 100 to 199
[04:30] <da_bon_bon> Odin2347: your problem is ?
[04:31] <Odin2347> wireless card not working
[04:31] <Odin2347> i had to manually configure it
[04:31] <Odin2347> and i gave myself the same ip address as my brother
[04:31] <apokryphos> You can set a static IP from editing the /etc/network/interfaces
[04:31] <apokryphos> at least, that's how I was shown to do it
[04:32] <encKe`> morning everyone
[04:32] <encKe`> im have an issue with my Ubuntu
[04:32] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, what is your netmask <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[04:32] <evarlast> Buggz: perfect:  iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -i eth1 -j SNAT --to-source <yourpublicip>
[04:32] <da_bon_bon> encKe`: evening
[04:32] <encKe`> my nic wont disable
[04:32] <encKe`> sry....enable
[04:32] <membreya> da_bon_bon: just changed to aussie mirror..will let you know the speed :)
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> membreya: sure
[04:33] <Buggz> I want my server to route the internet connection gotten through eth1 to eth0, so that I can connect to the net with my home computer, too
[04:33] <encKe`> i tried to swith to dhcp and now wont accept dhcp or static
[04:33] <Odin2347> LinuxJones yes
[04:33] <membreya> da_bon_bon: ...getting 500kbs :D
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> takes fucking 3mins. to get 3mb !!
[04:33] <da_bon_bon> membreya: which mirror ? tell me fast
[04:33] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, is there a "reset to defaults" checkbox to reset to factory defaults on your router?
[04:33] <Odin2347> yea
[04:34] <funky_burma> yo?
[04:34] <Odin2347> theres a button on the back of the router that does that
[04:34] <membreya> da_bon_bon: you need to set it to the country that you're in .. I set mine to the aussie one
[04:34] <Buggz> evarlast, didn't see your writings, wil try it..
[04:34] <da_bon_bon> membreya: apt-setup ?
[04:34] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, I would do that then set ubuntu to use dhcp. I think you have something messed up in the router config.
[04:34] <evarlast> Buggz: www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO/NAT-HOWTO.html
[04:34] <membreya> da_bon_bon: nope...edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the archive.ubuntu.org / security.ubuntu.org with your mirror
[04:35] <Ubuntian> i installed realplayer following ubuntuguide.org, when i launch it in app/multimedia it doesn't work. I found that in the "launcher properties" the command doesn't link correctly. So i change the path to where the file "realplay" is, in home/RealPlayer/realplay and then it works perfect. But when i reboot i have to do that all over again...WTF?
[04:35] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, usually routers use dhcp and there is no need to mess around with static ip addresses
[04:35] <Buggz> how come I can't paste from clipboard in the terminal?
[04:35] <Odin2347> argh
[04:35] <membreya> Ubuntian: just be glad you can get realplayer working..doesnt work on amd64
[04:36] <apokryphos> Buggz: you can. The shortcut is probably different. It's Shift + Insert in Konsole; not sure about Gnome terminal.
[04:36] <Odin2347> but how do i configure the dhcp in ubuntu
[04:36] <olenuus> hi. i need some help, i modify "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4", but how i can save new setting:o?
[04:36] <membreya> da_bon_bon: Fetched 69.3MB in 2m0s (575kB/s) :D
[04:36] <LinuxJones> OddAbe19, in console type sudo network-admin
[04:36] <redhatPT> hi there!
[04:36] <Buggz> shift+insert didn't work either
[04:36] <Odin2347> ok
[04:36] <Odin2347> before i do that im trying a live cd of mepis pro
[04:36] <evarlast> Buggz: middle mouse button?
[04:36] <Buggz> ahh, of course
[04:36] <da_bon_bon> membreya: oh FUCK!!
[04:36] <Odin2347> someone with the same wireless card as i do told me that it works out of the box in mepis pro
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> membreya: fetched 2mb in 3minutes
[04:37] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, watch the language please dude !!
[04:37] <membreya> ROFL da_bon_bon
[04:37] <Buggz> nope, no middle mouse button (not both buttons either)
[04:37] <apokryphos> evarlast: that only does the "selection" paste. Not when one has does a Ctrl + C copy. Is it different in Gnome terminal, out of interest?
[04:37] <da_bon_bon> LinuxJones: please have a look at how serious the problem is.!
[04:37] <Ubuntian> nobody for my realplayer problem?
[04:37] <apokryphos> Buggz: check the shortcut. Look in the menus somewhere. Or, you can always just right-click.
[04:37] <evarlast> apokryphos: I dunno.
[04:37] <plx> anyone got ipod support running in rhythmbox?
[04:37] <membreya> apokryphos: he said he does that :)
[04:37] <olenuus> i need some help, i modify "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4", but how i can save new setting:o?
[04:37] <membreya> it reverts when he reboots
[04:38] <membreya> olenuus: what program are you using? :)
[04:38] <LinuxJones> da_bon_bon, there is no need to use that kind of language here
[04:38] <Buggz> shift+ctrl+v ;)
[04:38] <olenuus> ubuntu root terminal:P
[04:38] <membreya> urgh... olenuus did you vi, nano...what command did you use?
[04:39] <Buggz> evarlast, by public ip, do you mean the server ip from the neighborhood network, or the e.g. the ip found on whatsmyip?
[04:39] <Ubuntian> olenuus u talking to me ? (de niro style)
[04:40] <olenuus> yes i use sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:40] <membreya> olenuus: then just press CTRL+X
[04:40] <olenuus> and now i want modify my monitor refresh rate
[04:40] <membreya> and press y when it asks if you want to commit buffer
[04:40] <olenuus> 60 hhz not good:P
[04:40] <membreya> the shortcuts are down the bottom dude :)
[04:40] <membreya> 1152x864 @ 85hz
[04:40] <membreya> :D
[04:41] <oly> arghhhh :p
[04:41] <oly> some one please tell me there a way to stop ubuntu locking cd drive doors ?
[04:41] <membreya> dropped it to 75hz tho ...don't need it that high :)
[04:41] <apokryphos> oly: it should only "lock" them if the filesystem is mounted.
[04:42] <olenuus> tnx i save and i need reboot?
[04:42] <daejavu> is there programmin software/enviourment/editor  for linux  similar to Visual Basic of MS !!  i wish to make some goodies for linux ..im good in C++ and JAVA
[04:42] <oly> i have a bad cd which is continously spinning, i cant get it out cuz its in use]
[04:42] <membreya> olenuus: just press CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE
[04:42] <daejavu> membreya: is there programmin software/enviourment/editor  for linux  similar to Visual Basic of MS !!  i wish to make some goodies for linux ..im good in C++ and JAVA
[04:42] <apokryphos> olenuus: you shouldn't have to. You could do the above or just starx
[04:42] <oly> and my puters crawling because of it
[04:42] <apokryphos> *startx
[04:43] <Gagatan> daejavu: eclipse for example, borland has several
[04:43] <oly> can you force a cd unmount ?
[04:43] <membreya> oly: -l
[04:43] <membreya> and it's umount
[04:43] <evarlast> Buggz: yes.
[04:44] <membreya> oly: sudo umount /media/cdrom0/ -l
[04:44] <Ed_Gein> anyone lose sound after upgrading to hoary?
[04:44] <oly> okay thxs membreya
[04:44] <daejavu> Gagatan: humm ... lemme check for that !!
[04:45] <oly> i dont think it should lock em in first place though,
[04:45] <oly> it shoudl unmount when i press the button on the cd draw
[04:45] <oly> :p
[04:45] <oly> at least i can get my puter back to correct speed now :)
[04:48] <ebone> anybody running apache2 with php ?
[04:51] <evarlast> ebone: yes.
[04:52] <evarlast> ebone: using the libapache2-php package
[04:52] <ebone> cool.
[04:53] <ebone> have you messed w/ the gd library functions at all ?
[04:53] <ebone> i get this:  Call to undefined function:  imagettfbbox()
[04:53] <ebone> apparently this is a fairly common message for people trying to use gd image functions on all sorts of platforms.
[04:53] <ebone> everything from bsd systems to linux ... it's obvious people smarter than me have wasted hours on this ...  :)
[04:54] <ebone> i just thought i would see if anyone knew what was up ?
[04:54] <ebone> odd thing is ... it works fine on my debian box.
[04:54] <evarlast> ebone: nope, I've not used php-gd in 4+ years
[04:54] <ebone> cool ... well thanks anyways.
[04:59] <BugS> why are some languages missing in the ubuntu gnome packages? debian has them altought.
[05:02] <Ed_Gein> problems with sound after upgrading to hoary. Ikeep getting a no device found error. the module is loaded
[05:04] <Ed_Gein> "No volume control elements and/or devices found"
[05:05] <GarySaved> If I have my sytem running Debian fairly well, is there any advantage to switching to ubuntu ?
[05:05] <crazydeb8r> GarySaved, what do you use it for
[05:06] <aljo^> how is with audigy 2 ZS in linux?
[05:06] <aljo^> does it have any special drivers?
[05:06] <Ed_Gein> anyone have problems with audio after upgrading to hoary
[05:07] <GarySaved> I use it for E-Mail, Messenging, word processing and such.  My WIfe uses it for making classroom phamplets and such, also.
[05:07] <crazydeb8r> aljo^, check the wiki (wiki.ubuntulinux.com) and the forums (ubuntuforums.org0
[05:07] <aljo^> ok thanks
[05:07] <aljo^> can anyone help me with CoD?
[05:07] <cybane> Call of Duty?
[05:07] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: yes, I haven't fixed my sound problems yet.
[05:07] <aljo^> yes
[05:07] <cybane> Didn't know CoD ran under linux
[05:07] <aljo^> yes under cedega
[05:07] <crazydeb8r> well i would say no specific advantage except that IMO, upgrading packages are much easier with ubuntu
[05:07] <aljo^> ...
[05:07] <Ed_Gein> evarlast : do you have any sound?
[05:08] <crazydeb8r> but ubuntu isn't exactly cutting edge either
[05:08] <aljo^> any1?
[05:08] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: Compared to..?
[05:08] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: a fully upgraded debian system
[05:08] <crazydeb8r> hawke_: our packages are a bit behind
[05:09] <cybane> However, the customability of Ubuntu is what makes ir great
[05:09] <evarlast> Ed_Gein: no sound here.  I haven't had time to look into it.
[05:09] <sigglet> anyone know why firefox doesn't display javascript:: correctly?
[05:09] <crazydeb8r> cybane: and ease of confguration ;-0
[05:09] <sigglet> I put my mouse button over a link where there is a drop down menu supposed to be.
[05:09] <cybane> You can still get all the new stuff that Debian has just need to install from a binary or compile it
[05:09] <hawke_> crazydeb8r: I've found it to be the opposite in some major cases (evolution)
[05:09] <GarySaved> Is security comprimised by not having a seperate root account?
[05:10] <olenuu1> yess i use 85 hz now(in windows i use 100, but no problem:)), a i cant play mp3? must install something?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> hmm. there is a root account. its just disabled. i guess you would say
[05:10] <Dr_willis> trivial to reenable it if you just have to work as root.
[05:10] <hawke_> GarySaved: Security is improved, really.
[05:10] <crazydeb8r> GarySaved: it's improved, because you never use the root account
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Its more of a 'good practice' to do it the Ubuntu way.
[05:10] <crazydeb8r> yay sudo.
[05:11] <GarySaved> If I am here in this chat room, and have root access, doen't that make the system open?
[05:11] <crazydeb8r> GarySaved: You wouldn't have root access.
[05:12] <crazydeb8r> it's a normal user who uses sudo
[05:12] <hawke_> GarySaved: You have root access?
[05:12] <hawke_> GarySaved: meaning you enabled the root account, became root, and ran your IRC client?
[05:13] <sigglet> crazydeb8r: he could have root access?
[05:13] <GarySaved> I may have read the information wrong, but I thought it said the account you installed from has the equivenent of su access.
[05:13] <sigglet> it's easy to make su availiable on ubuntu
[05:13] <GarySaved> noflex, I am in Debian now.  I am thinking of switching to ubuntu.
[05:13] <sic|work> question: Is the package for GLIB 1.2.2 names something else...having a little trouble locating it
[05:13] <Dr_willis> the whole sudo stuff is a huge defense from a user accidently screwing up the system himself. :P
[05:13] <welly> Hi guys, i understand it's possible to install ubuntu from knoppix. i've seen the documentation on the wiki page about doing an install over a network with knoppix. is it possible to install ubuntu from knoppix with the install cd?
[05:14] <hawke_> GarySaved: It has the equivalent of su access yes, but it still requires a password.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> welly,  that sounds So convuluted - its scary :P
[05:15] <spades> for anyone who has xm radio, once the new prices go in effect and you get free online streaming, mplayer handles the stream, so install it if you dont have it and want to use xmonline
[05:15] <Dr_willis> spades,  xm is doing somthing new?
[05:15] <Dr_willis> new prices = going up? or down?
[05:15] <spades> Dr_willis: new prices go in effect april 2nd
[05:15] <spades> up, to 12.95
[05:16] <GarySaved> O.K.  That makes sinse.  So you do have to enter a different password to get su access.  That is how Debian works, too.
[05:16] <Dr_willis> well *(&*@& them then. :P
[05:16] <spades> free online stream and opie and anthony now included in the package
[05:16] <Ed_Gein> apparently my soundcard(turtle beach santa cruz) hasn't been detected . What can I do to help it along
[05:16] <spades> Dr_willis: http://www.xmradio.com/serviceupdate/index.jsp
[05:16] <hawke_> GarySaved: It's the same as your login password
[05:16] <spades> you can lock yourself to current pricing with prepay
[05:16] <Dr_willis> spades,  that wouldenty be so bad.. but seems i am getting Nickled and Dimed to death on all these 'services' i subscribe to...
[05:16] <hawke_> GarySaved: But hardly the same as running IRC as root. :-)
[05:16] <welly> dr_willis, i'm grasping at straws here.. i've been trying to install ubuntu for over a week but unfortunately either my cd writer is bust or my cdrom drive is bust but i keep having CRC errors
[05:17] <Dr_willis> welly,  Hmm cant help ya there.. been checking the md5's and so forth on the iso images?
[05:17] <GarySaved> hawke, What I was asking about, is if your user account has su previledges, that wold be a security problem.
[05:18] <welly> yeah, and they seem fine.. the bizarre thing is i did an install and it worked first time.. i had a few problems so needed to do a reinstall and since then, i've had no joy installing
[05:18] <hawke_> GarySaved: How so?
[05:18] <gourmet-> slt tlm
[05:18] <gourmet-> pas marcher
[05:18] <Dr_willis> welly,  sounds like a cd/dvd drive issue to me.  or cable issues.
[05:18] <gourmet-> ):
[05:19] <GarySaved> A script or some such could damage the system, with su access.
[05:19] <welly> yeah.. :( and unfortunately i'm not in a financial position to get a new drive
[05:19] <welly> and i know cdrom drives cost next to nothing
[05:19] <Dr_willis> GarySaved,  of course Ubuntu only starts with ONE user account. - without su access at the start you are stuck. :P
[05:19] <Dr_willis> add new users and use them - without su access.
[05:20] <hawke_> GarySaved: Again, how so?  With passwordless su access I agree.  But where su requires a password to become root, how could it damage the system?
[05:21] <dtygel> hola :)
[05:21] <hawke_> GarySaved: "it" being a script.
[05:21] <dtygel> Do you know a good program in ubuntu for editing programs?
[05:21] <GarySaved> That is what I was asking about.  The ubuntu information page does not make it clear that you ahve to enter a password each time you need the access. (At least with my quick scan of it)
[05:21] <dtygel> Something like kwrite, which highlights the commands accordingly, including css files...
[05:21] <Dr_willis> dtygel,  emacs/vi :P or ya care to be more specific?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> ahh. :P
[05:21] <hawke_> GarySaved: You do have to enter a password: the password of your account.
[05:22] <hawke_> GarySaved: look into 'sudo' for more information
[05:22] <eruin> pff
[05:22] <Dr_willis> thers soo many editors out its scary. I personally like 'fte'
[05:22] <GarySaved> THat is what I was verifying.
[05:22] <Nermal> for what ?
[05:22] <bzbb> xemas!
[05:22] <bzbb> xemacs!
[05:22] <Nermal> vim ?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> but i tend to use 'vim' a lot also.
[05:22] <Nermal> emacs is a nice os, but it needs a decent editor :P
[05:22] <dtygel> Dr_willis, does fte or vim have this feature of highlighting?
[05:22] <Nermal> dtygel, of course
[05:23] <Nermal> a vim plugin for emacs would be idea
[05:23] <Nermal> ideal*
[05:23] <bzbb> Nermal, VIper
[05:23] <eruin> the gftp folks don't exactly have the best UI around, and if asked about gnome-ifying it, the general consensus is "do it yourself", but what's the point when they refuse to accept any UI patches?
[05:23] <dtygel> So, I'll check both...
[05:23] <Dr_willis> dtygel,  yes  on both. :P
[05:24] <GarySaved> My box is an Athelon.  I have the k7 kernel running in Debian.  Will the ubuntu installer detect this is what I have?
[05:24] <Dr_willis> "Gnome-ifying" :P
[05:24] <Dr_willis> to make small and put it out in the garden.
[05:24] <hawke_> GarySaved: I don't believe so, you must install the k7 kernel
[05:25] <Dreamer3> anyone why i can't unmount a floppy from within gnome without having to stop and restart famd?
[05:25] <Dreamer3> my mom is having continual problems
[05:25] <sic|work> I am at work, behind a proxy and synaptic won't connect to a lot of different resources...I am installing xmms and can't find glib 1.2.2 can anyone help?
[05:26] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[05:26] <Xenguy> cs
[05:26] <Xenguy> nm
[05:28] <Dreamer3> anyone?
[05:28] <balor_> sic|: do you really neex XMMS, rhythmbox or Muine have all the functionality with more GUI niceness
[05:28] <sic|work> I guess not
[05:28] <sic|work> just wanted winamp-like warm and fuzziness
[05:29] <Dr_willis> hmm. I imnstalled xmms last night - following that  ubuntuguide.org directions
[05:30] <sic|work> either way I am missing the correct version of glib
[05:30] <GarySaved> Has anyone heard of the printer working, except from the browser?
[05:30] <hawke_> GarySaved: Yes.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> usr/lib/libglib-1.2.so.0.0.10
[05:30] <da_bon_bon> hey, am i alive ?
[05:30] <prats> hi
[05:30] <Dr_willis> i find that firefox - can be a little annoying with printers at times
[05:31] <GarySaved> hawke, Do you know what causes this?
[05:31] <GarySaved> I use Mozilla and Galeon.  Neither will use the printer.
[05:31] <hawke_> GarySaved: Not a clue...
[05:32] <GarySaved>    <sigh>
[05:32] <sic|work> Dr_willis when I ./configure xmms it says it needs glib 1.2.2
[05:32] <hawke_> GarySaved: I had to print to file and then lpr the file
[05:32] <prats> could somebody help me: i have 12 upgradable item, i press "install" in synaptic, there's a intall window poping up, however nothing else happens, and those upgradable items aren't installed...
[05:32] <GarySaved> That is what we have been doing.
[05:32] <GarySaved> It works from the word processor.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> sic|,  hmm - i just used the repositiories and synpatic to install it.
[05:33] <Nekohayo> prats, what if you try with apt-get?
[05:33] <sic|work> Dr_willis: yeah, it works at home...but I am at work and can't get to the repositories
[05:33] <prats> i could try that, but isn't this supposed to work?
[05:33] <csorrell> How come when I modify my volume with the volume manager it doesn't save after I reboto?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> sic|work,  ahh.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> csorrell,  isent there a 'write changes to disk' button?
[05:34] <csorrell> Dr_willis: under what?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> csorrell,  actually im nto sure what you mean by volume manager.. You mean SOUND voulme? or disk volume?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:34] <prats> (i'm using hoary 5.04)
[05:34] <csorrell> Dr_willis: sound
[05:34] <Dr_willis> csorrell,  lol.. never mind then.
[05:35] <hawke_> Dr_willis: hehe, that's how I read it too.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> hawke_ had to explain to several people in the past that the fdisk tools UNLIKE windows does NOTHING till you write the changes.. they normally reply "thats stupid" - I reply "No thats SMART, the MS way is Stupid"
[05:36] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:37] <hawke_> Dr_willis: Agree.
[05:37] <Nekohayo> prats, did it work?
[05:37] <GarySaved> I have two hard drives.  I have the /home tree on the second, and everything else onthe first.  Will ubuntu cooperate with this?
[05:38] <prats> yes, apt-get seems to be working just fine, thx!
[05:38] <Nekohayo> :)
[05:38] <prats> synaptic isn't working, is it?
[05:38] <Nekohayo> prats, I thought, anyways, if it didn't wanted to, you'd get an output
[05:38] <Dr_willis> GarySaved,  should work. may need to edit the fstab to show the move.
[05:38] <hawke_> GarySaved: I believe so, but it may take some manual fstab-editting
[05:38] <Nekohayo> prats, nah, syna works very well of my all the time.. but it's only a frontend for apt-get you know
[05:39] <hawke_> GarySaved: Assuming you don't want to format /home that is
[05:39] <hawke_> GarySaved: It'll work fine from install if you want to format /home
[05:39] <hawke_> The above fact annoys me about Ubuntu
[05:39] <GarySaved> I guess I can back everything up, so it does not matter if it formats.  I just like having the home tree seperate.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> just move the stuff to your oldhome and edit the fstab later..
[05:40] <Nekohayo> say, I'm wondering: is there a way to "deuglify" some programs? For instance, I have amule 2.0 RC7 here (which is almost the current version) and it looks very, very ugly :) why don't the controls blend with the window managers' themes? (that is my question)
[05:40] <hawke_> GarySaved: That works fine then.
[05:40] <HiddenWolf> Nekohayo: amule is an ugly bitch, still uses an old gtk version
[05:40] <GarySaved> Are there any utilities for backing up all my information? (Keeping permissions)
[05:40] <hawke_> Dr_willis: I know there's workarounds, it still annoys me.  The installer should be able to use a partition w/o formatting it.
[05:40] <hawke_> GarySaved: tar
[05:41] <Dr_willis> hawke,  yep - installer should be able to do a lot of things..  but then again - that leaves more room for errors i guess. :()
[05:41] <BockBilbo> hello
[05:42] <BockBilbo> i have just installed ubuntu using a wireless pci card i bought today.. and after rebooting... the card is not detected
[05:42] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me?
[05:42] <Nekohayo> HiddenWolf, any suggestions of something ~as good but with gtk2 ? ^^ hmm.. I'm out to read their faq if they're willing to switch to the new gtk anytime soon
[05:42] <BockBilbo> i have installed ubuntu hoary using array 5
[05:42] <Dr_willis> the installer saw it and used it?
[05:42] <BockBilbo> Dr_willis, yes
[05:42] <Dr_willis> thats a good sign then :P
[05:42] <BockBilbo> hehe
[05:42] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:43] <Dr_willis> i can never even get that far with wireless..
[05:43] <BockBilbo> its a D-LINK DWL-G520+
[05:43] <BockBilbo> lol
[05:43] <HiddenWolf> Nekohayo: You tell me when you find it. :)
[05:43] <BockBilbo> when i do ifup wlan0
[05:43] <BockBilbo> it says that wlan0 it doesnt exist
[05:43] <BockBilbo> :S
[05:44] <BockBilbo> but in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:44] <BockBilbo> i can clearly read an entry about wlan0
[05:45] <newbie_mick> hi... i just installed ubunto... how do i get the updates? do i have to use apt-get or something ??
[05:45] <BockBilbo> yes
[05:45] <BockBilbo> apt-get upgrade
[05:45] <newbie_mick> ok cool... i'll give it a go now
[05:45] <hawke_> newbie_mick: system -> adminstration -> synaptic package manager
[05:45] <hawke_> newbie_mick: or apt-get if you prefer
[05:46] <BockBilbo> :(
[05:46] <BockBilbo> no one knows how to fix it?
[05:46] <hawke_> BockBilbo: Are you sure it's wlan0?
[05:46] <hawke_> BockBilbo: It could be eth0 or eth1
[05:46] <BockBilbo> i think so
[05:46] <BockBilbo> nop
[05:46] <GarySaved> Well ubuntu detect that I have two hard drives, and use them both, or try to stick everything on just the first?
[05:46] <BockBilbo> eth0 is the fast ethernet card
[05:47] <BockBilbo> in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <BockBilbo> the installer has created an entry on wlan0
[05:47] <newbie_mick> oh i get it.... i had to select the repositories in synaptic to get it to detect the updates...
[05:47] <hawke_> GarySaved: I believe that's up to you.  By default I think it will try to use the first one.
[05:47] <hawke_> BockBilbo: does it show up in 'ifconfig'?
[05:47] <hawke_> BockBilbo: 'ifconfig -a' rather
[05:48] <BockBilbo> hawke, nope
[05:48] <BockBilbo> ifconfig -a just shows up eth0 and lo
[05:49] <BockBilbo> eth0 is the ethernet card
[05:50] <hawke_> BockBilbo: if you unplug the card (assuming it's a cardbus/pcmcia card) and plug it back in, does anything new show up in 'dmesg'?
[05:50] <BockBilbo> it isnt a pcmcia
[05:50] <daejavu> ppl ... which is the BEST linux Distro for LAPTOPS ... taking abt old Laptops here ... P1 (100-120MHZ)
[05:50] <daejavu> ppl ... which is the BEST linux Distro for LAPTOPS ... taking abt old Laptops here ... P1 (100-120MHZ)
[05:50] <BockBilbo> its a PCI card
[05:51] <BockBilbo> but
[05:51] <BockBilbo> in dmesg i see som errors witch a module called acx
[05:51] <henla464> I have problem installing warty on a shuttle sn85g4v2 with a sata drive. It gives an error that says it is unable to install the choosen kernel.
[05:51] <henla464> In konsol 3 this error message is displayed: The following packages have unmet dependencie: linux-amd64-generic: Depends: linux-image-amd64-generic but ut us not installable. E: Broken packages
[05:51] <yonkeltron> i am running the ubuntu live cd to test if my soundcard works and it wasn't autodetected. lspci says it's a Creative Labs SB Live. every time i try to play a sound file i get an error message. can someone help?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> SB live should work.
[05:52] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: that's probably just a livecd issue. I have it with the livecd, but it works fine when you install it.
[05:52] <henla464> An earlier error message says: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. Anyone know why these errors show up?
[05:53] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: ok.....so if i install and it doesn't work, can i come back and get help?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> henla464,  mistakes in the sources.list perhaps.
[05:53] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: we'll help you, sure bet
[05:53] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  of course. :P
[05:53] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: also....what is the root password?
[05:53] <BockBilbo> :(
[05:53] <BockBilbo> this sucks
[05:53] <Dr_willis> yonkeltron,  on the live cd - go to the console and set it.
[05:53] <henla464> mistakes in The_Nalf source.list on the install cd?
[05:53] <yonkeltron> i need an ftp client to upload all my old settings to my server
[05:54] <henla464> I think the sources should be ok on the install cd, shouldn't it?
[05:54] <BockBilbo> gftp
[05:54] <daejavu> how can i know where Squid is installed ?
[05:54] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: ubuntu doesn't use 'root' but emulates it with sudo. the password you're looking for is 'ubuntu'
[05:54] <yonkeltron> excellent
[05:55] <yonkeltron> gftp is not installed.....
[05:55] <Dr_willis> 'mc' can work as a ftp client..
[05:55] <yonkeltron> sudo apt-get update fails and apt-get install gftp dies telling me to apt-get update....
[05:56] <Dr_willis> or  resort to ssh. :P or the console ftp clients.. or - dosent gnomes filemager have some ftp feature?
[05:56] <Xenguy> yonkeltron: lftp is a good console client
[05:57] <yonkeltron> nvm...i'll do it from mepis....be back in a sec to talk....
[06:02] <robbie_> hello
[06:02] <robbie_> can some help me with a hardware problem
[06:02] <njs12345> depends
[06:02] <njs12345> what's your problem?
[06:03] <raydogg``> what command can i execute to generate a random string ?
[06:03] <raydogg``> at a console
[06:03] <robbie_> I can not sem to setup my modem it a best data usb
[06:03] <njs12345> raydogg``: how long?
[06:04] <bluefoxicy> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/12659?ref=rss  :/
[06:04] <robbie_> cannot find what dev it uses
[06:04] <raydogg``> 30 chars
[06:04] <jesus_> hmm... gftp segementation faults when I try to edit a remote .php file (in options is used "/usr/bin/gedit" as edit program)
[06:04] <raydogg``> njs12345, 30 chars
[06:04] <raydogg``> well, N chars for that matter
[06:05] <yonkeltron> back
[06:08] <piratePenguin> I'm dualbooting with mandrake 10.1 and ubuntu atm.. and now I wanna remove mandrake.. my partition table is @ http://rafb.net/paste/results/itpkzd70.html .. ubuntu only uses /dev/hdb7 so can I delete *all* the other partitions bar swap? what bout hdb2?
[06:09] <robbie_> can you help me install this modem
[06:10] <ompaul> piratePenguin, as you guessed you can't kill hdb2 without killing off your existing ubunut
[06:10] <ompaul> s/ubunut/ ubuntu
[06:11] <piratePenguin> alright.. would it matter then that the tables a bit messed up?
[06:11] <ompaul> robbie you could do lsusb - if you had stayed long enough  :)
[06:11] <hawke_> raydogg``: pwgen should work pretty well
[06:12] <ompaul> piratePenguin, I personally would kill off all the rest of the box and start clean but that is me :)
[06:12] <daejavu> how can i know where Squid is installed ?
[06:12] <ompaul> piratePenguin, you could put stuff on hda :-)
[06:12] <hawke_> raydogg``: else head -c 30 /dev/urandom
[06:12] <veristead> anyone here able to help me with hotplug?
[06:13] <karsten> What's the ubuntun way to do NAT?
[06:13] <piratePenguin> ompaul: on my cd-rom drive? I doubt it :P
[06:13] <veristead> i want to disable my wireless card using it
[06:14] <veristead> so it doesn't load on startup
[06:14] <veristead> cuz it is annoying when it does that
[06:14] <njs12345> karsten: iptables
[06:14] <Coily> whats the difference between an i386 binary and a compiled for ubuntu package?
[06:14] <karsten> njs12345: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/view?searchterm=nat ?
[06:14] <ompaul> daejavu, there are a lot of bits and pieces for that - if you go poking around the config files you will find all sorts of stuff / / use the following command updatedb then use locate to find the parts that are referenced by config files
[06:15] <ompaul> that is two
[06:15] <karsten> njs12345: No control-panel type deal?  I'm doing a highschool lab for kids.
[06:15] <Coily> anyone?
[06:15] <njs12345> not yet
[06:15] <karsten> njs12345: I'm familiar w/ textfile config, they're mostly not.
[06:15] <ompaul> Coily, be specific
[06:15] <karsten> njs12345: Thanks
[06:15] <veristead> anyone???
[06:15] <karsten> veristead: He left.
[06:15] <veristead> who left?
[06:16] <ompaul> anyone left :)
[06:16] <njs12345> well.. I haven't seen one
[06:16] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: so is this going to take a kernel recompile? because i tend to recompile with the latest version anyhow.....
[06:16] <njs12345> there might be one
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: anyone.
[06:16] <veristead> well i was asking for help
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: Um.  You want to disable hotplug, or just the wireless card?
[06:16] <Coily> ompaul, well could i break my install my just installing the i386 binary or is it a better idea to compile from source
[06:16] <veristead> with something
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: Don't run with sissors.
[06:16] <veristead> i want to disable the wireless card
[06:16] <Coily> my=by
[06:16] <karsten> veristead: ...that's help with something....
[06:16] <veristead> well sorta
[06:16] <ompaul> Coily, it is better to use packaged
[06:17] <ompaul> Coily, programs because that is the ubuntu/debian model unless you really need to
[06:17] <veristead> it keeps loading on startup but it takes forever if i am not in range of a wifi router
[06:17] <ompaul> Coily, the word to watch there is _need_
[06:17] <veristead> it just hangs there
[06:17] <Coily> ompaul, hmm
[06:17] <karsten> "No screens found" X11 w/ S3 <mumble> card, machine's not in front of me, bunch of "insufficient memory" (or similar) messages in /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[06:17] <veristead> and when i close the lid and open it it puts the card to sleep
[06:17] <Coily> ompaul, ok well now i need to learn how to compile :x
[06:18] <karsten> veristead: That last is part of your acpi / power management settings.
[06:18] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: what where you talking about exactly?
[06:18] <ompaul> Coily, compile? because you are doing some class ?
[06:18] <vix> good p2p client for linux ?
[06:18] <njs12345> vix: bittorrent
[06:18] <karsten> vix: p2p what?
[06:18] <Nekohayo> hmm, seems like my gnome menu is behaving differently than warty's ... where has the "entire menu -> add launcher to this menu" option gone?
[06:18] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: creative soundcard
[06:18] <carajea1> how to update open office
[06:18] <veristead> Karsten: one would think, except that on the iBook it isn't that at all
[06:18] <carajea1> ??
[06:18] <vix> njs12345, shareaza ?
[06:18] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: it'll work out of the box, promise
[06:18] <karsten> carajea1: aptitude install openoffice.org
[06:18] <karsten> carajea1: ...or appropriate package name.
[06:19] <Coily> ompaul, nono compile from source this program... it includes an i386 binary but like you said it would be better to make a package
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: Hrm.  Not sure.
[06:19] <veristead> the iBook power settings are actual hardware
[06:19] <vix> njs12345, shareaza ?
[06:19] <veristead> and cnt have data sent to it
[06:19] <carajea1> cant i just apt-update or somethin like that
[06:19] <carajea1> ?
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: Put my name at start of your comments, easier to see.
[06:19] <veristead> k
[06:19] <veristead> karsten
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: Yeah, then say something.
[06:19] <karsten> veristead: It highlights in my IRC client.
[06:19] <blaaa> does ubuntu come with fluxbox?
[06:19] <veristead> oh
[06:19] <veristead> lol
[06:19] <veristead> i am jst messsing with you
[06:19] <veristead> karsten: i am just messing with you
[06:20] <karsten> blaaa: Not installed by default.  There's a "universe" set of packages....
[06:20] <veristead> karsten i know
[06:20] <ompaul> Coily, and you believe that there is no such program on ubunutu, have you done this apt-cache search programNameOrSomethingLikeIt
[06:20] <karsten> veristead: Heard yo utwice the first time.
[06:20] <veristead> karsten: ok
[06:20] <karsten> veristead: So do you want to disable wireless *entirely*, or just hotplug?
[06:20] <Coily> ompaul, ya im trying to install peerguardian
[06:20] <veristead> hotplug
[06:20] <raydogg``> hawke_, is there a way to limit /dev/urandom's output to ascii characters A-Z ?
[06:20] <karsten> raydogg``: No.
[06:20] <veristead> i want to use wifi when i have the computer on
[06:20] <raydogg``> k
[06:20] <karsten> raydogg``: You can translate it through something.  uuencode might do it.
[06:20] <veristead> and running Ubuntu
[06:20] <veristead> karsten
[06:21] <veristead> karsten i keep forgetting to put your name
[06:21] <blaaa> is this universe set of packages w/ ubuntu?
[06:21] <hawke_> raydogg``: pwgen would probably be closer to what you want in that case
[06:21] <Coily> i need a tutorial/walkthrough for compiling apps from source
[06:21] <veristead> karsten: i jst wnt to disable hotplug
[06:21] <karsten> veristead: k<tab> should autoexpand in most IRC clients.
[06:21] <carajea1> can someone help me update openoffice?
[06:22] <karsten> carajea1: use aptitude, apt-get, or synaptic.
[06:23] <veristead> karsten: seemingly not in this one
[06:23] <blaaa> can i get this universe set of packages of ubuntu or do i download it elsewhere?
[06:23] <carajea1> im kinda new to linux and need a little help
[06:23] <blaaa> *off
[06:23] <karsten> What's ubuntu's standard package management tool?  apt-get or aptitude?
[06:23] <veristead> apt-get
[06:23] <hawke_> karsten: synaptic
[06:23] <veristead> or that too
[06:23] <ompaul> Coily, I just had a look at that - you would me better learning something of iptables which it uses
[06:23] <karsten> carajea1: Generally you *don't* update one package at a time.  Package management handles your whole distro.
[06:23] <veristead> karsten: so any help on disabling hotplug
[06:23] <karsten> carajea1: So: apt-get update; aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:23] <karsten> carajea1: ...will update your system.
[06:24] <Coily> ompaul it would take too long entering in all those ips
[06:24] <BockBilbo> ok.. see if anyone can help me... it seens that hotplug cannot  found the specific firmware for my wireless pci card (which worked during the ubuntu installation)
[06:24] <ompaul> Coily, the reason I say this is simple it is version 0.21 that is a long way from release that is all
[06:24] <karsten> veristead: Sorry, I'm out of ideas.
[06:24] <karsten> veristead: Talk to BockBilbo ;-)
[06:24] <ompaul> Coily, have a look at a script to do it :)
[06:24] <BockBilbo> lol
[06:24] <BockBilbo> xD
[06:24] <veristead> hey BockBilbo
[06:25] <olenuu1> how i can open .run file :-P
[06:25] <BockBilbo> see... in dmesg it says that there is no default firmware directory specified so it looks in the default firmware directory of hotplug (/lib/hotplug/firmware)
[06:25] <ompaul> Coily, they say it is alpha software - that is not a great idea it could break more than it fixes
[06:25] <BockBilbo> and it cannot found the "TIAACX111.BIN-2.6.10-4-386" file needed to load the wireles pci card
[06:25] <BockBilbo> :s
[06:26] <goldfish> Is there a c compiler installed with warty 4.10 as default?
[06:26] <BockBilbo> i think it might be a bug of the ubuntu installer
[06:26] <Coily> ompaul the one im looking at is .3
[06:26] <vix> good p2p client for linux ?
[06:26] <mirak> how does ubuntu update manager update sources ?
[06:26] <mirak> is it done in back ground ?
[06:26] <Coily> ompaul, and its supposed to be the linux version of 2.0
[06:26] <mirak> vix: amule
[06:27] <vix> mirak, is it slow ?
[06:27] <vix> same as emule... ?
[06:27] <k-n4b15> Can someone help a poor frenchie ? ;)
[06:27] <goldfish> hehe
[06:27] <blaaa> im downloading ubuntu and there is a 4.10, warty, jigit folder...are warty and jigit modified versions of ubuntu?
[06:28] <goldfish> vix: tried using torrents?
[06:28] <mirak> vix: depends what you want
[06:28] <ompaul> Coily, well you want to research g++ that is a compiler
[06:28] <vix> goldfish, i want to dl mp3 and porn ahhahah ^^^
[06:28] <mlambie> does anyone else get a GPG error from nerim.net's repositories?
[06:28] <mlambie> or rather, is there a fix out for this problem?
[06:28] <olenuu1> i download .run file, but i cant open:( defaule open program is text editior, what i must choose?
[06:28] <goldfish> vix: lol
[06:29] <mirak> how does ubuntu update manager detects if there is new updates ?
[06:29] <Coily> well if anyone knows of a script which works like peerguardian let me know...
[06:29] <vix> goldfish, all man alone need those !! ^^
[06:29] <goldfish> hehe
[06:29] <goldfish> vix: there was a great porn torrent site, but it got shut down :/
[06:29] <Coily> mirak, you have to refresh - apt-get update
[06:29] <goldfish> mufftorrent.com
[06:29] <goldfish> its gone now :/
[06:29] <vix> thx :>
[06:29] <Coily> mirak, or just visit the forums
[06:29] <vix> nu :(
[06:29] <BockBilbo> anyone can help me with that?
[06:29] <blaaa> im downloading ubuntu and there is a 4.10, warty, jigit folder...are warty and jigit modified versions of ubuntu?
[06:29] <goldfish> yeah, it was part of loki
[06:30] <mirak> Coily: it seems it's done automatically
[06:30] <ompaul> Coily, if you use a ubuntu box that software is reasonably pointless
[06:30] <veristead> ok... so i assume no one can help me out with diabling my wifi card in hotplug
[06:30] <mirak> Coily: I don't ask how to refresh it, I ask how it is done
[06:30] <mirak> and when
[06:30] <Coily> ompaul, why do you say that
[06:30] <mlambie> veristead:  what driver does it use?
[06:30] <k-n4b15> i look for some information about how to boot from a floppy to install ubuntu....
[06:30] <carajea1> hey is it wise to upgrade ubuntu?
[06:30] <hawke_> carajea1: It's fine.
[06:30] <mlambie> because i put some drivers in /etc/hotplug/blacklist when i want to block them, like pcspkr for example
[06:30] <Nekohayo> I have just installed amarok in hoary, and since it's a kde app, I'd like to be able to change its appearance... I guess to do this I should get into kde, is there a quick and dirty command to switch into kde, or is it added to the logon screen now?
[06:31] <veristead> mlambie: it uses the Airport driver
[06:31] <Coily> mirak, if you want to schedule apt-get go to ubuntuguide.org
[06:31] <ompaul> Coily, as the 'touching' of a ubuntu box from the outside should be like a pool of water - little ripples it is not that other operating system
[06:31] <veristead> mlambie: i am using an iBook for it
[06:31] <macewan> Nekohayo: change it's appearance?
[06:31] <mirak> Coily: that's not my question
[06:31] <mlambie> veristead:  ok, do you know what the module is called? lsmod will tell you...
[06:31] <mirak> Coily: can't you read ?
[06:31] <Coily> mirak, no
[06:31] <Nekohayo> macewan, yeah, change the window theme I guess.
[06:31] <blaaa> hello?
[06:32] <macewan> just chang ethe theme
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: and i ok
[06:32] <Nekohayo> macewan, yeah, how? ;) logging into kde? that is my question ^^
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: oops
[06:32] <ompaul> blaaa, hello hello mad place called vertigo :)
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: didn't mean to type that
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: yea i found it
[06:32] <macewan> Nekohayo: no
[06:32] <veristead> mlambie: orinoco is used by airport
[06:32] <blaaa> anyone know the answer to my questions..i hope i did miss the answer
[06:32] <macewan> Nekohayo: are you in gnome?
[06:32] <mlambie> veristead:  add it to the hotplug blacklist and it won't get loaded.
[06:33] <BWGames> anyone know of a linux equivlalent of virtualdub?
[06:33] <mlambie> veristead:  /etc/init.d/hotplug restart should sort it out
[06:33] <macewan> blaaa: is warty a modified version of ubuntu?
[06:34] <steveland> hey folks, i installed ubuntu last night and when i try to ./configure it says im missing the gcc and all the other compilers and won't continue.  Anyone any ideas?
[06:34] <blaaa> yea im in the download part of the ubuntu
[06:34] <blaaa> site
[06:34] <veristead> mlambie: so jst  type 'pico /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:34] <blaaa> and theres a folder 4.10, warty, and jigit
[06:34] <veristead> mlambie: and add those lines to the end
[06:34] <macewan> warty is a stable version
[06:34] <Nekohayo> macewan, yes I am
[06:34] <mlambie> veristead:  you will need run as sudo
[06:35] <blaaa> what are the other two, out of curiousity
[06:35] <mlambie> veristead:  sudo pico /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[06:35] <ompaul> blaaa, warty is a version the other stuff you are looking at are download types
[06:35] <macewan> Nekohayo: is amarok theme not the same?
[06:35] <mlambie> veristead:  then add "orinoco" to the base. put a #comment there to tell yourself what you did also :)
[06:35] <ompaul> blaaa, ways of getting the iso
[06:35] <Nekohayo> macewan, nope, it uses kde's thingy.. can't remember the name.. anyhow, kde's default look
[06:35] <mlambie> veristead:  then when you've done that, "sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart"
[06:36] <steveland> no-one any ideas for my gcc thing :(
[06:36] <Nekohayo> macewan, (for the controls and stuff), the window border, however, is from gnome
[06:36] <ompaul> steveland let me track back
[06:36] <blaaa> ah ok..tnx
[06:36] <veristead> odd
[06:36] <macewan> blaaa: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/warty/release/
[06:36] <steveland> cheers
[06:36] <veristead> mlambie: lsmod lists two drivers for some odd reason
[06:37] <blaaa> yea i got it..tnx macewan
[06:37] <macewan> Nekohayo: let me install and see what you mean - jus a sec
[06:37] <mlambie> veristead:  block them all then, with each module on a new line
[06:37] <spiral> hi
[06:37] <blaaa> and with the iso will it have fluxbox somewhere on it..or do i just go download it?
[06:37] <macewan> Nekohayo: 60 megs - jus a sec
[06:37] <Nekohayo> macewan, thanks! (be aware it will fetch you lots of kde libs)
[06:38] <sic|work> anyone remember off the top of your head the two commands to enable 3d acceleration with an Nvidia card?
[06:38] <Nekohayo> I also need to be able to add stuff to my gnome menu, seems like my right click option disappeared since warty
[06:39] <macewan> Nekohayo: amarok is perty - why change the look :-)
[06:39] <veristead> mlambie: :-\ won't let me write out
[06:40] <mlambie> veristead:  did you "sudo pico"?
[06:40] <veristead> nope
[06:40] <veristead> lol
[06:40] <veristead> oops
[06:40] <veristead> i will do that
[06:40] <sic|work> I know it is the word nvidia and then a switch and some other stuff...but I can't remember
[06:40] <ompaul> steveland, let me go to the other box it is running warty
[06:40] <steveland> thanks ompaul
[06:40] <crimsun> blaaa: fluxbox is in universe
[06:40] <steveland> yeh fluxbox is what i was trying to install
[06:40] <blaaa> is this universe thing on the knoppix cd?
[06:40] <Nekohayo> macewan, I really like my apps to blend together (and I'm a mac OS X look fan), and amarok uses HUGE fonts right now, I'd prefer smaller text which would require less space ^^
[06:40] <steveland> it's nicer than gnome
[06:41] <crimsun> blaaa: meaning after you install Ubuntu, simply install it from the Internet using Synaptic
[06:41] <blaaa> sorry im really new
[06:41] <macewan> Nekohayo: you want the controls to look gnome'ish?
[06:41] <blaaa> ah
[06:41] <blaaa> k
[06:41] <rriche> why.. can anyone tell me what i might be missing from this error generated by azureus?  -> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /opt/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: /opt/azureus/libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:41] <Nekohayo> macewan, yes :)
[06:41] <blaaa> tnx crimsun
[06:41] <rriche> err s/why/hi/
[06:41] <crimsun> blaaa: / steveland: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[06:42] <macewan> Nekohayo: can't help.
[06:42] <steveland> ooh, thank you very much
[06:42] <Nekohayo> macewan, and I wanted to try amarok, because up until now, I have seen _no_ multimedia player take my ratings into account
[06:42] <Nekohayo> macewan, ok, thanks anyways ;)
[06:42] <Nekohayo> macewan, however, I believe I could achieve that by logging into kde as my user
[06:43] <Nekohayo> macewan, I just need to know if I need to fiddle to be able to login to kde .. I'll go read the wiki some more
[06:43] <macewan> Nekohayo: post to forums if you find answer
[06:43] <rriche> now libswt-pi-gtk-3106.so exists in the /opt/azureus folder
[06:43] <veristead> mlambie: ok restarted hotplug... is that it?
[06:43] <mlambie> veristead:  should do
[06:43] <rriche> so it's wierd that it states it "no such file or directory"
[06:43] <veristead> mlambie: should i reboot ubuntu and see if it worked?
[06:43] <mlambie> so does anyone have a soultion to apt-get reporting GPG errors with external repositories?
[06:44] <mlambie> when i apt-get update i get: W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[06:44] <steveland> crimsun: excuse my n00bishness but those Universe Packages don't need you to be connected to the internet to apt-get them or anything do they?
[06:45] <crimsun> mlambie: I wrote these instructions: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[06:45] <speel_> all the packages you need to be connected :)
[06:45] <mlambie> crimsun: thanks, will invetigate now
[06:45] <crimsun> steveland: they do need you to be connected.
[06:46] <steveland> ah, ya see i can't connect it up to anything. i was hoping there was something i could just stick onto flash disk and use on it
[06:46] <ompaul1> steveland, you really do need to reconnect to the internet
[06:46] <veristead> wtf... alot of my system configuration shit is screwed up.... they keep saying "There was an error running the backend script"
[06:46] <veristead> how do they expect me to change the time + date
[06:47] <veristead> and the networking utility
[06:47] <steveland> it's on a different computer ya see. a really really old pc and i can't hook it up to the internet
[06:47] <mirak> I don't have the update manager notifier
[06:47] <mirak> what must I do to have it in the task bar ?
[06:47] <ompaul1> steveland, you could grab the packages gcc-3.3 and g++-3.3 and install them locally
[06:48] <macewan> hrm, how to edit menu in hoary?
[06:48] <hawke_> mirak: run update-notifier
[06:48] <steveland> would they not require me to ./configure them?
[06:48] <hawke_> mirak: it only shows up if there are updates.
[06:48] <macewan> my ninja right click is gone
[06:48] <speel_> any one knows how to import campains in lgeneral
[06:48] <Nekohayo> macewan, seems like logging into kde is easy, I'll be back to tell you if my idea works out :)
[06:48] <ompaul1> steveland, no they would be installed by a package management tool
[06:48] <macewan> umk
[06:49] <steveland> ah grand
[06:49] <steveland> thanks :)
[06:49] <foznot> any quick way to turn on DMA for my dvd+rw in with ubuntu?
[06:49] <ompaul1> steveland, you are looking for prebuild packages
[06:49] <saphari_> does jave come with the ubuntu disc?
[06:49] <speel_> no
[06:49] <crimsun> foznot: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX
[06:49] <saphari_> ok
[06:49] <crimsun> foznot: where X is the device letter
[06:49] <speel_> do you mean java?
[06:50] <macewan> hardware-monitor applet barfs badly in hoary
[06:50] <saphari_> oh yes
[06:50] <veristead> oh well
[06:50] <veristead> whatever
[06:50] <steveland> ompaul1: will any of these do the trick http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/hoary/devel/gcc-3.3
[06:50] <speel_> ok making sure no it does not
[06:50] <veristead> i guess i'm stuck
[06:50] <veristead> i am getting sick of the complications with linux these days
[06:50] <saphari_> i installed what i am suppose to
[06:50] <saphari_> but don't know what to do
[06:50] <vix> good p2p client for linux ? not slow...
[06:50] <saphari_> i tried what it said but it did'n work
[06:50] <mirak> hawke: it doesn't appear even when there is updates
[06:51] <goldfish> vix: they are all slow :)
[06:51] <speel_> veristead: check this http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[06:51] <macewan> saphari: installing java?
[06:51] <vix> goldfish, shareazaa not
[06:51] <saphari_> yeah that is what i did
[06:51] <vix> but on winn
[06:51] <crimsun> steveland: you really need a live Internet connection for the Ubuntu machine
[06:51] <vix> :(
[06:51] <ompaul1> steveland, http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gcc-3.3/ adjusting for whatever your ubuntu version and requirements are
[06:51] <crimsun> steveland: otherwise installing software will be a PitA.
[06:51] <fct> vix, I'm happy with amule
[06:51] <saphari_> i need to go to another roon?
[06:51] <saphari_> room?
[06:52] <steveland> ok, thanks a million lads
[06:52] <steveland> ill be off
[06:52] <ompaul1> steveland, http://archive.ubuntu.com/
[06:52] <ompaul1> ohh well
[06:52] <mirak> vix: amule
[06:52] <ompaul1> impatent allways gets all the info :)
[06:52] <crimsun> saphari_: you need to read the instructions regarding Java on the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:52] <BockBilbo> who do i have to talk to if i have found an error in the last installation cd of ubuntu?
[06:52] <fct> hmm, what's the stability of hoary nowadays, compared with debian sid?
[06:53] <mlambie> crimsun: apt-get with gpg works a treat, thanks
[06:53] <macewan> java 1.5 works fine
[06:53] <crimsun> fct: that's not an apples<->apples comparison
[06:53] <fct> crimsun, let's say it another way: how close to release is hoary? :)
[06:53] <BockBilbo> crimsun, do you know to who do i have to talk about a problem in the hoary installer?
[06:53] <crimsun> fct: a little over a month.
[06:54] <crimsun> BockBilbo: what problem(s) are you having with it?
[06:54] <saphari_> this is the link i am in  http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[06:54] <fct> hmm, sounds good enough to risk an upgrade
[06:54] <fct> thx
[06:54] <crimsun> BockBilbo: presuming you're using >=array-5
[06:54] <BockBilbo> yeah
[06:54] <BockBilbo> i have just installed array 5 in an old i366 pc
[06:54] <BockBilbo> which has a wireless pci card
[06:55] <BockBilbo> when i proceded to the installation
[06:55] <BockBilbo> the installation detected the wifi card
[06:55] <BockBilbo> and used it to access to some apt repositories
[06:55] <BockBilbo> just like it should, it worked perfectly
[06:55] <BockBilbo> but after the installation reboot
[06:55] <BockBilbo> the wifi card didnt work
[06:55] <BockBilbo> ive been reading about it
[06:55] <BockBilbo> and i end up discovering
[06:56] <BockBilbo> that the firmware files of my card where not added to
[06:56] <BockBilbo> /lib/hotplug/firmware
[06:56] <fct> BockBilbo, you sure they aren't there? I'm having the same problems with it in debian sid, seems like a fault on an upgraded package
[06:56] <BockBilbo> fct pretty sure
[06:56] <BockBilbo> perhaps
[06:56] <fct> the files are there and stuff :/
[06:57] <crimsun> BockBilbo: first you need to check if a bug has been filed with hotplug and/or the appropriate driver(s)
[06:57] <fct> in my case I mean
[06:57] <BockBilbo> i pasted there the ones i downloaded from the internet
[06:57] <crimsun> BockBilbo: then comb hoary-changes
[06:57] <BockBilbo> and the wireles card works perfect!!!
[06:57] <mlambie> can you still use the instructions: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java to install java on hoary (using the repository method 0)
[06:58] <BockBilbo> crimsun, what do you mean by "comb hoary-changes"?
[06:58] <crimsun> BockBilbo: read it.
[06:58] <crimsun> BockBilbo: to comb implies searching for specific changes
[06:58] <fct> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17531 <--- is that your error, BockBilbo ?
[06:58] <Xappe> hmm, i would like to have a nice gui frontend for iptables. tried firestarter, but I want to be able to create rules like port/tcp, port/udp and so on. firestarter does not seem to be able to do this...and I might be wrong... :)
[06:59] <macewan> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java15
[06:59] <BockBilbo> nope
[06:59] <BockBilbo> i dont use the interl pro wireless 2200BG card on this pc (yes on my other lol)
[06:59] <t31> help! a windows virus!?!?
[06:59] <macewan> applets will work as will java apps themselves
[06:59] <t31> aegis told me this 10 m. ago The file /home/t31/.gnome2/totem-addons/vp31vfw.dll is infected with the W32/Magistr.a@MM virus!
[06:59] <fct> BockBilbo, I mean, like a similar error with your card instead :)
[06:59] <BockBilbo> yeah
[07:00] <olenuu1> how i can open .run fail?
[07:00] <BockBilbo> smthing similar
[07:00] <BockBilbo> but it appears on dmesg
[07:00] <fct> hmmm, perhaps an error in latest hotplug?
[07:00] <BockBilbo> dont know...
[07:00] <fct> yep, BockBilbo, appears there
[07:00] <BockBilbo> see
[07:00] <olenuu1> default open application is text editpr
[07:00] <BockBilbo> the error i got was that it said that i didnt have a default firmware directory set
[07:00] <Xappe> anyone?
[07:01] <BockBilbo> and it said that it would look in the programs default directory (/lib/hotplug/firmware)
[07:01] <BockBilbo> then it looked there
[07:01] <BockBilbo> but it couldnt find the appropiate firmware file, so it tried to use other firmware files, that werent there either
[07:02] <BockBilbo> ...
[07:02] <BockBilbo> so it endup saying that the firmware could not be loaded
[07:02] <BockBilbo> and the wifi card couldnt work
[07:02] <fct> yep, looks like same error to me :/
[07:02] <shock> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17594 <--- could someone interested check my howto for amule & llinux-routers? It#s my first howto ;)
[07:02] <spiral> hmmm... A friend of mine wants to install ubuntu on a pc that can't boot from CD...
[07:02] <spiral> how could he do ?
[07:03] <saphari_> this is what i get when i put the first line in
[07:03] <saphari_> cd browse_to_your_download_folder
[07:03] <saphari_> bash: cd: browse_to_your_download_folder: No such file or directory
[07:03] <BockBilbo> i fixed the error downloading a driver from a guide on my card's chipset and copying the driver to /lib/hotplug/firmware/
[07:04] <spiral> saphari_: hmmm... did you really put "browse_to_your_download_folder" and not the true name ?
[07:04] <BockBilbo> and it worked... but the cuestion is... should the ubuntu installer add the firmware file by default on the /lib/hotplug/firmware directory???
[07:04] <BockBilbo> what do you think fct?
[07:04] <sadistikal> is there an installation guide for ubuntu? I see faqs and various docs and some how-tos but I'm just looking for the straight up installation guide
[07:05] <fct> BockBilbo, I guess it can't, since the firmware files are released under non-free licenses. I have the same problem in debian sid
[07:05] <saphari_> i am new to this,  just doing wht it says here  :(
[07:05] <BockBilbo> ohhh
[07:05] <BockBilbo> fct, and.. if they cant... how did the installer used the wireless card?
[07:05] <dtygel> I need urgent help!
[07:06] <dtygel> I changed my personal folder to a mounted device, and now I cannot logon!
[07:06] <macewan> saphari_: http://www.macewan.org/index.php?m=200412#post-206
[07:06] <fct> BockBilbo, now that's weird :)
[07:06] <hawke_> dtygel: Sorry, we're all out of urgent help, only have the regular kind.
[07:06] <dtygel> heeeelp...
[07:06] <BockBilbo> fct yeah
[07:06] <hawke_> dtygel: what error do you get?
[07:06] <BockBilbo> thats why i think there must be an error somewhere
[07:07] <dtygel> It cannot mark the .ICEAuthorization file.
[07:07] <rriche> what's a good p2p app for linux? something decent for musak?
[07:07] <dtygel> Can I change my personal folder back to original place (/home/dtygel)?
[07:07] <hawke_> dtygel: Sure.  Boot into recovery mode from the menu
[07:07] <dtygel> But I must do it without logging in...
[07:08] <hawke_> dtygel: the boot menu has a "recovery mode" option
[07:08] <dtygel> hawke. Ok, and what next? How do I change the "personal folder" option?
[07:08] <hawke_> dtygel: how did you change it before?
[07:09] <dtygel> hawke: can I still use the menus? I just used the menu: "computer", "system config", and "users"...
[07:09] <hawke_> dtygel: Oh, OK.  run 'nano /etc/passwd'
[07:10] <dtygel> in the recovery mode you mean hawke? Because I'm now logged in as a user who cannot do SUDO.
[07:10] <Amaranth> anyone know why mplayer won'tgo fullscreen? the app does but it doesn't scale the video
[07:10] <shock> hmkay... allready one update to the amule howto :P
[07:10] <shock> *sigh*
[07:10] <BockBilbo> well
[07:10] <BockBilbo> thanks to all!
[07:10] <BockBilbo> bye
[07:11] <spiral> nobody for an install without boot from CD ???
[07:11] <hawke_> Amaranth: add the -vm parameter to mplayer
[07:11] <hawke_> Amaranth: or -zoom
[07:11] <hawke_> dtygel: yes, in recovery mode
[07:11] <Amaranth> hawke_: The app will go fullscreen but it won't scale the video.
[07:12] <dtygel> hawke: ok. Hang on. I'll logout and try it. I'll tell you folks if everything ran fine... :)
[07:12] <andril> hello all - again!
[07:12] <_4strO> dtygel> use sudo useradd -d your_rep for change the home path
[07:12] <_4strO> too late ...
[07:12] <hawke_> Amaranth: It should go fullscreen and scale if you add -vm or -zoom to those entries.
[07:12] <Echylo> hey hey hey
[07:12] <Echylo> why does my gaim sends files extremely slow
[07:12] <sic|work> easiest way to get out of gnome and into a nice command line environment?
[07:13] <hawke_> Amaranth: er, to the command line
[07:13] <Amaranth> hmm
[07:13] <Echylo> sic
[07:13] <Amaranth> if i use both it works
[07:13] <Echylo> ctrl alt F1
[07:13] <sic|work> will that end X?
[07:13] <_4strO> sic|> helt
[07:13] <Echylo> no
[07:13] <_4strO> halt*
[07:13] <Echylo> you get back to X with ctrl alt F7
[07:13] <sic|work> I want to end X
[07:13] <yonkeltron> HiddenWolf: next time i sign on. i'll be in ubuntu!
[07:13] <sic|work> installing nvidia driver
[07:14] <Echylo> ctrl + alt + backspace
[07:14] <sic|work> thanks Echylo
[07:14] <HiddenWolf> yonkeltron: best of luck
[07:14] <_4strO> sic|work> ctrl-alt-backspace and kill gdm
[07:15] <Echylo> hey , how do you speed up gaim sending speed?
[07:15] <Echylo> it does it @ 3kbs
[07:15] <Echylo> no more
[07:20] <speel> Echylo: i think it depends on aols servers
[07:20] <speel> or your connection
[07:20] <jesus\> http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1342
[07:20] <jesus\> help :(
[07:20] <jesus\> I can't kill proftpd
[07:21] <speel> do sudo proftpd stop
[07:21] <crimsun> jesus\: sudo /etc/init.d/proftpd stop
[07:21] <jesus\> check the link first
[07:21] <crimsun> yes, I read that pastebin url
[07:21] <jesus\> i tried stop, force-stop, but it doesn't go away
[07:21] <jesus\> i have never had kill -9 fail on me
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:21] <speel> proftpd stop
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: notice that those processes are in 'D' state
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: more than likely your disk is spewing errors
[07:22] <jesus\> what's the "d" state?
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: try checking dmesg for error/panic/oops output
[07:22] <crimsun> jesus\: uninterruptible sleep
[07:22] <k-n4b15> someone to help me with ubuntu please ?
[07:23] <speel> k-n4b15: state your problem
[07:24] <k-n4b15> i want to install ubuntu on an old PC (166 MHz) but i can't boot on the CDROM
[07:24] <jesus\> crimsun:  http://pastebin.arslinux.com/1343
[07:24] <k-n4b15> how can i boot from a floppy to install it ?
[07:24] <crimsun> jesus\: it's a little more involved than just grepping for those strings
[07:24] <crimsun> jesus\: e.g., manually look through dmesg|less
[07:24] <jesus\> hmkeej
[07:24] <jesus\> i will
[07:25] <Nekohayo> macewan, just to tell you the amarok "relooking" worked out as expected :)
[07:25] <k-n4b15> i tried SMB but it didn't detect my CDROM drive
[07:25] <speel> k-n4b15: you cant install ubuntu from floppy if thats what you want
[07:25] <Nightie> Hello!
[07:25] <k-n4b15> there's no way to boot from a floppy to run the install ?
[07:26] <macewan> screenshot please
[07:26] <speel> k-n4b15: not that i know of
[07:26] <Echylo> speel, I can upload 30kbs max, and nobody I know has aol
[07:26] <Loevborg> k-n4b15, maybe you can get it to boot from a usb key?
[07:26] <olenuu1> http://img26.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img26&image=screenshot1lv.png how i can open "fail.run" :S
[07:26] <Nightie> when I try to "./configure --prefix=/usr && make install" clearlooks-3.0, I get the following
[07:26] <k-n4b15> erf....no USB on an old PC that can't boot on CDROM....
[07:27] <Nightie> checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0... Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[07:27] <Nightie> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtk+-2.0.pc'
[07:27] <Nightie> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[07:27] <Nightie> No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[07:27] <Nightie> configure: error: GTK+-2.0 is required to compile clearlooks-engine
[07:27] <macewan> Nekohayo: congrats - please provide a screenshot
[07:27] <Nightie> can you help me please?
[07:28] <macewan> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc
[07:28] <speel> ah nightie you read that osnews article eh? lol
[07:28] <Nekohayo> yeah will do, just a sec ;)
[07:28] <crimsun> Nightie: you need libgtk2.0-dev at least
[07:28] <Nightie> speel :: loool!
[07:28] <k-n4b15> ok thanks anyway guys...
[07:28] <k-n4b15> bye
[07:28] <speel> =p
[07:29] <Nightie> crimsun :: now adding that...
[07:29] <jesus\> crimsun:  i found no errors in dmesg, the only error-like things re the ntfs-errors
[07:30] <jesus\> crimsun:  I hdparm'ed my disks yesterday, can that be the problem or would there be some output in dmesg if something goes wrong?
[07:30] <crimsun> jesus\: short of ptracing the master process, I don't know.
[07:30] <jesus\> system works fine btw except for that
[07:30] <Nightie> macewan :: God, nice to meet you! One of the best blogs ever read!
[07:30] <MarcN> No new ubuntu backgrounds today?
[07:30] <crimsun> jesus\: you could check whichever changes you made using hdparm
[07:30] <macewan> blush
[07:30] <crimsun> MarcN: sheesh, could you wait a day? ;-)
[07:30] <speel> grr the worst thing i must say is the universe/multiverse teams dont keep there packages uptoday =/ BAH
[07:30] <crimsun> speel: eh?
[07:31] <speel> up to date*
[07:31] <MarcN> crimsun: I just want my monthly softcore porn images ;-)
[07:31] <crimsun> speel: which packages?
[07:31] <speel> well for one there is a new gaim version and also netpanzer is out of date
[07:31] <crimsun> speel: we don't handle gaim - that's in main
[07:31] <crimsun> speel: and main is frozen
[07:31] <macewan> Nightie: did not realize anyone actually read the crap I post
[07:32] <Loevborg> I can't seem to hear any sound from my ubuntu box, not sure whether it's a hardware or software problem... any idea how to test this easily?
[07:32] <Nekohayo> macewan, http://public.nanokron.info/upload/screenshots/ and there are two pngs (khloe-linux-2005-03-01-gnome-amarok-ugly.png and khloe-linux-2005-03-01-gnome-amarok-better.png)
[07:32] <speel> ah i did not know that
[07:32] <speel> i had also emaild the guy who takes care of the netpanzer package ;P
[07:32] <crimsun> netpanzer's home page seems to be inaccessible presently
[07:33] <speel> odd
[07:33] <veristead> k... how do i install something from source
[07:33] <veristead> ?
[07:33] <spazery> when ubuntu installs does it install the file gnomeConf.sh
[07:33] <speel> was working 2 days ago
[07:33] <spazery> or create the file should i say
[07:34] <macewan> Nekohayo: wow
[07:34] <speel> ah works now
[07:34] <speel> http://netpanzer.berlios.de/
[07:34] <crimsun> speel: have you tested 0.8 personally?
[07:35] <bur[n] er> anyone tried sonance music app?
[07:35] <macewan> didn't compile for me
[07:35] <macewan> well, gtksharp barfed
[07:35] <bur[n] er> that's what i was afraid of ;)
[07:36] <bur[n] er> it's got promise though :)
[07:36] <crimsun> note that hoary/universe has -unstable packages for gtk#, etc.
[07:36] <veristead> ok.... i jst downloaded the source to xchat
[07:36] <bur[n] er> reeeeaaaaally... gotta find my laptop with hoary ;)
[07:36] <veristead> and i tried to compile it
[07:37] <veristead> but no acceptable c compiler was found
[07:37] <veristead> so do i need to download one
[07:37] <crimsun> veristead: install build-essential
[07:37] <macewan> bur[n] er: don't give up on it because of me ;)
[07:37] <jesus\> crimsun:  what do you mean by that?
[07:37] <bur[n] er> macewan: i'm not, just curious what i was in for
[07:37] <crimsun> jesus\: by what?
[07:37] <bur[n] er> if it was quick, i'd do it now before work ;)
[07:37] <jesus\> crimsun:  I also have a constant load of 62% (when I'm doing nothing)
[07:37] <veristead> crimsun: come again
[07:37] <Xappe> i want an iptables gui frontend other than firestarter. any suggestions?
[07:37] <jesus\> crimsun:  by "crimsun jesus\: you could check whichever changes you made using hdparm"
[07:37] <crimsun> veristead: sudo aptitude install build-essential, or use Synaptic to install the build-essential package
[07:38] <macewan> I'm a duffus so you can't judge your success my my failures
[07:38] <hawke_> Xappe: guarddog
[07:38] <macewan> by my failures
[07:38] <speel> no but i know that you need the newst versions to play on the public servers
[07:38] <Xappe> hawke, is it in the repos?
[07:38] <hawke_> Xappe: should be.  Possibly in universe
[07:38] <crimsun> speel: if you can verify that 0.8 seems stable, we may can look into it. Note that today is essentially the last day to push new versions of software into universe.
[07:39] <Xappe> hawke, bah, it's a kde app...i want a gtk+ one
[07:40] <speel> well the debian team has the .deb package under testing
[07:40] <crimsun> jesus\: e.g., revert whatever changes you made using hdparm
[07:40] <veristead> ok
[07:40] <veristead> got it
[07:40] <veristead> thanx
[07:40] <Xappe> speel, i've compiled netpanzer 0.8
[07:40] <hawke_> Xappe: Ah, sorry.  Let me know if you find something good that's gtk-based.
[07:40] <speel> did it work correctly?
[07:41] <veristead> but later on i want to find someone who can help me with this whole backend script problem
[07:41] <Xappe> speel, i think so...played some matches aginst a buddy that installed it on windows
[07:41] <bur[n] er> anyone know if a wifi gui is going to make it into hoary?
[07:41] <speel> ah nice ;)
[07:41] <veristead> i cnt access 'networking' nor 'Date and Time"
[07:41] <veristead> which is not very helpful
[07:42] <speel> is it fairly easy to make .deb packages for ubuntu?
[07:43] <hawke_> speel: reasonably.
[07:43] <hawke_> speel: particularly in the case of a simple one-binary application
[07:43] <hawke_> speel: libraries tend to be more complicated.
[07:43] <speel> is there a how to on it?
[07:43] <dtygel> hawke: thanks a lot: it worked. I changed successfully my home folder back to its original place.
[07:43] <veristead> :-\
[07:43] <hawke_> dtygel: awesome..
[07:43] <dtygel> :)
[07:43] <hawke_> dtygel: Any idea why it failed?
[07:44] <hawke_> dtygel: My guess would be permissions on the new location..
[07:44] <veristead> could not run glib test program
[07:44] <veristead> glib not found
[07:44] <veristead> what package is that in?
[07:44] <crimsun> speel: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/  or  sudo aptitude install maint-guide
[07:44] <elvirolo> hi all!
[07:44] <crimsun> veristead: libglib2.0-dev
[07:44] <veristead> ah... so apt-get libglib2.0-dev?
[07:44] <elvirolo> has anyone had sound problems recently with Hoary ?
[07:44] <viper12> cool.....more press for ubuntu.  www.guilinux reviews the warty.
[07:45] <speel> crimsun: well it would be nice to have netpanzer 0.8 out beacause you really cant play in any of the pub servers with the old version but hey the decision is up to you guys
[07:45] <crimsun> elvirolo: what type of sound problems?
[07:45] <veristead> crimsun?
[07:45] <crimsun> veristead: yes
[07:45] <elvirolo> crimsun, just the "cannot open device /dev/dsp" or whatever
[07:46] <crimsun> elvirolo: is GNOME giving you that error when you log in, or is a specific [set of]  applications?
[07:46] <spiral> hi back
[07:47] <delltony> question has anyone else noticed this before i file a bug report, the firefox in hoary when you try to highlight text it doesn't work correctly lets say your at the end of hte link and go to highlight it shoots to very first of the line but sometimes you don't want to start at the first but thats the only way it will allow you to highlight is if you start from right to left at the beginning of the line
[07:47] <elvirolo> crimsun, no nothing to to with gnome (I use either fluxbox or KDE), and the problem occurs with totem, enemy territory, amarok etc...
[07:47] <crimsun> veristead: you may find it useful to go ahead and execute: sudo apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-cleanice
[07:48] <crimsun> elvirolo: does System>Preferences>Multimedia Systems Selector>Audio>Default Sink>ESD>Test work?
[07:49] <esher> are there a port of new kvirc 3.2.x for ubuntu outhere ?
[07:49] <macewan> It's so much easier to compile and test while listening to the Dalai Lama discuss the Art of Happiness :)
[07:49] <crimsun> elvirolo: doubt it. Not even Debian has 3.2.x - experimental only has 3.0.2
[07:50] <crimsun> err
[07:50] <crimsun> esher: doubt it. Not even Debian has 3.2.x - experimental only has 3.0.2
[07:50] <elvirolo> crimsun, let me logon to gnome
[07:51] <sfl> hi
[07:51] <veristead> you know there should be a search box in synaptic
[07:52] <veristead> so you can jst search for the package you are looking for
[07:52] <veristead> dnt say hoary has it
[07:52] <StoffBox-Steve> when i want to install a bootsplash must i compile a new kernel ? > think so ... :(
[07:52] <bur[n] er> veristead: there is that functionality in synaptic
[07:52] <veristead> is there?
[07:52] <veristead> where?
[07:53] <bur[n] er> one sec ;) i'm loading it to find out
[07:53] <bur[n] er> i know it's there
[07:53] <veristead> oh
[07:53] <veristead> lol
[07:53] <Dr_willis> button called search? :"P
[07:53] <veristead> the button that says search
[07:53] <StoffBox-Steve> veristead, at the menu you find it
[07:53] <veristead> lol
[07:53] <veristead> found it
[07:53] <veristead> i'm blind
[07:53] <veristead> hehe
[07:53] <bur[n] er> yep ;)
[07:53] <StoffBox-Steve> how you can miss it ? its so big *lol*
[07:54] <Nekohayo> hm, I can't change anything in my gnome menu, anybody know why? (can't add/delete anything)
[07:54] <veristead> cuz i'm white
[07:54] <veristead> actually i dnt know
[07:54] <Rods_Tiger> Hi all. I've just installed ubuntu.
[07:54] <veristead> i'm new to this whole thing
[07:54] <crimsun> Nekohayo: for warty or hoary?
[07:54] <veristead> that you call Linux
[07:54] <Nekohayo> crimsun, hoary
[07:54] <bur[n] er> Nekohayo: i can't in hoary either (only in debian i can)
[07:54] <Nekohayo> weird it is.
[07:54] <Rods_Tiger> One thing I'd like to suss out is how to get it to regard the boot partition I already have.
[07:55] <Nekohayo> has this been filed as a bug or something?
[07:55] <crimsun> Nekohayo: because that functionality was stripped several months ago
[07:55] <Nekohayo> crimsun, uh? why is that?
[07:55] <yonkeltron> Dr_willis: ok i installed ubuntu and there is still no sound....
[07:55] <veristead> Rods_Tiger: i would like that as well
[07:55] <bur[n] er> new == rationalize for missing a 'search' button? ;)  (just playin)
[07:55] <crimsun> Nekohayo: upstream decision, I don't know.
[07:55] <Rods_Tiger> Another thing I'd like to find is how to install pan.
[07:55] <veristead> yea me neither i cnt get the sound to work
[07:55] <Nekohayo> crimsun, thanks, I'll dig a bit on this..
[07:55] <bur[n] er> turn up the volume
[07:55] <crimsun> Rods_Tiger: install it
[07:55] <veristead> it says
[07:55] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, it's not listed.
[07:56] <veristead> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or device found"
[07:56] <veristead> which sux
[07:56] <Rods_Tiger> crimsun, the answer to "how to install pan" is obviously not to "install it".