[13:38] <SealV> morning all
[13:44] <thorwil> good morning SealV
[13:47]  * _MMA_ is bored from all the holidays. Places closed, people gone. blah
[13:50] <SealV> where do you all stand on the text comment on the wiki?
[13:51] <_MMA_> SealV: It really comes down to the page/project maintainer. Generally it's ok but I feel when it's excessive it should go to the ML.
[14:19] <Cimi> kwwii, I've started implementing some kind of cells inside the progressbars as you like http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/175266/tmp/Schermata-7.png
[14:32] <SealV> http://fc72.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2009/002/5/4/ubu_jaunty_alpha_by_Islingt0ner.png
[14:32] <SealV> critique?
[14:34] <_MMA_> The hair feels, odd. I think others will find it a turn-off.
[14:35] <thorwil> i would prefer texture only
[14:36] <SealV> thor:  should I nuke the text as well?
[14:36] <thorwil> yes
[14:36] <SealV> k
[14:37] <thorwil> a close-up of a rabbits butt would rock ^^
[14:38] <_MMA_> :P
[14:38] <SealV> lol
[14:38] <SealV> the rabbit fur stock is found here:  http://zuzu-stock.deviantart.com/art/rabbit-fur-ahv-56088190
[14:39] <thorwil> SealV: what's the license?
[14:40] <thorwil> stupid deviantart, that belongs into details
[14:40] <SealV> stock generally means use and credit
[14:41] <_MMA_> SealV: That might not be good enough for Ubuntu use.
[14:42] <SealV> http://islingt0ner.deviantart.com/art/ubu-jaunty-alpha-n-textsketch-108166552
[14:42] <SealV> even if we get permission from author?
[14:42] <_MMA_> The license matters. So as long as it's an open license it fine.
[14:43] <_MMA_> I usually search Flickr for CC stuff and use that.
[14:44] <_MMA_> So the author just saying "Yeah. You can use it." isn't enough.
[14:44] <SealV> http://help.deviantart.com/217/
[14:45] <SealV> since he or she posted it in stock and his/her rules are to link and comment back...
[14:46] <_MMA_> "Failure to obey all of the required Terms and Conditions or License requirements attached to the stock may result in the removal of your submission" The author of you image gave no license for *you* to link back to.
[14:46] <SealV> ah I see you are saying since its copyright him we cant use it?
[14:46] <darkmatter> hmmm.... not quite right yet *tweaks dropshadows*
[14:46] <_MMA_> SealV: Correct.
[14:47] <SealV> :(
[14:47] <_MMA_> SealV: Wait. No. I think he can own it but usage needs to be open license.
[14:47] <_MMA_> thorwil kwwii? ^^^
[14:48] <darkmatter> bah... I'll work on this blasted theme and the mockups after I get some Zzzz's... to tired to think straight
[14:48] <_MMA_> SealV: He says we can use it but no info as to how is mentioned.
[14:49] <SealV> I thought he meant that we can use it but we must comment one the accounts mentioned
[14:49] <_MMA_> SealV: Also from your last link: "Also be aware that the lack of obvious copyright information does not imply that the imagery is free for use."
[14:51] <_MMA_> SealV: That may be, but we need a explicit license. He needs to say the exact terms of the license. He may end up having some personal issue with Ubuntu after this is used. License take that situation away.
[14:52] <SealV> :(
[14:52] <_MMA_> Now in the end I don't think any of this will happen but we need to learn we just cant grab and use anything off the web.
[14:52] <SealV> one of the reasons why I popst here befor taking on the wiki
[14:53] <_MMA_> I don't feel it would be hard to find a properly licensed image. Hell. You might even be able to go make your own texture.
[14:54] <_MMA_> I started taking texture pics years ago.  I really should take new ones.
[15:04] <darkmatter> why is that malnourished chimp wearing a baseball hat and holding a child? oO oh.. wait... nm xD
[15:06] <_MMA_> darkmatter: For this 170lb guy to me "malnourished" you gotta be huge. :P
[15:06] <_MMA_> s/me/be
[15:06] <darkmatter> : only if 6' 1" and 225lbs is 'huge' :P
[15:08]  * _MMA_ is 5'9".  So no.
[15:09]  * _MMA_ heads out to the museum. Maybe Ill take some pics of some fur. ;)
[15:11]  * darkmatter goes for a nap
[20:56] <Alex_21> Hi,
[20:56] <Alex_21> How do I set a custom splash screen in Ubuntu CLI 8.04?
[20:56] <Alex_21> Please?
[20:56] <Alex_21> please
[20:59] <_MMA_> Alex_21: You need to be patient. It's the holidays around the world. ;)
[21:00] <_MMA_> I also suspect you have your terms messed up.
[21:00] <Alex_21> Ok, I shall
[21:00] <_MMA_> Do you mean Usplash or GNOME splash?
[21:01] <Alex_21> The one you see on boot, I thin it is USplash
[21:02] <_MMA_> Lemmie look to see if I have the commands to set them still.
[21:02] <Alex_21> I have to write a Shell script to do this, so any help is appreciated
[21:04] <_MMA_> Alex_21: Googling will get you the answer for sure.
[21:04] <Alex_21> Is it USplash  then?
[21:04] <_MMA_> Yes
[21:06] <BHSPitLappy> Anyone particularly experienced with getting tablets to work?  I have a DigiPro tablet, and when I plug it in, I see in dmesg that a few input devices have been registered, but when I open Inkscape and choose the device, I can't get anything to happen
[21:07] <_MMA_> BHSPitLappy: I doubt you'll have any luck in here. Most people I've chatted with have Wacoms. Forums and the other channels you hang in might be better.
[21:08] <BHSPitLappy> Yeah
[21:17] <_MMA_> Alex_21: sudo sh -c 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`' works if you have 1 Usplash installed. I'm still looking for the command to pick another if 2 are installed.
[21:55] <darkmatter> _MMA_: the gtk WIP isn't shown in this shot (just using gilouche atm) and the emerald/metacity is hidden from site. but I need opinions on the drop shadowing http://www.flickr.com/photos/92826085@N00/3161216840/
[22:01]  * _MMA_ clicks.
[22:03] <_MMA_> darkmatter: Looks fine to me. I was actually shocked to see how heavy the Vista and OSX shadows were compared to Compiz default.
[22:05] <darkmatter> _MMA_: thanks for the input :) But it DOES make me wish for one thing though.. I wish compiz could intelligently recognize where submenus intersect
[22:06] <darkmatter> basically hide the shadow where the menus are joined
[22:07] <darkmatter> or at least minimalize it at the connecting areas.. actually minimalizing it would look better imho
[22:20] <_MMA_> darkmatter: You're using the SLAB menu?
[22:20] <darkmatter> yup
[22:22] <_MMA_> How do you like it? I haven't been able to get used to it personally. I'm kinda a minimal guy and normal GNOME menu fits that. But I still look for cool stuff.
[22:25] <darkmatter> I like it. it works rather well. like any menu system it's not perfect, but having everything in one location so I don't need to cascade through endless submenus is more to my liking
[22:26] <darkmatter> and the slabs application browser makes a nice menu replacement when you're not using a panel as such (like just a dock, or in an environment like openbox etc)
[22:27] <_MMA_> Hmm... I never thought 2 menus (for the most part) were all that bad.
[22:27] <_MMA_> I see that.
[22:31] <darkmatter> _MMA_: two menus aren't that bad, the problem arises when the list of applications gets to long, or when you have additional levels to the hierarchy (like that god awful debian menu)
[22:33] <darkmatter> _MMA_: it's the same for the system menu, which is why I always edit the ubuntu default to use the CC instead of the admin and pref menus.. it just feel cleaner
[22:33] <_MMA_> darkmatter: Yeah. We (Ubuntu Studio) added submenus to Sound&Video to get around the length issue. The Debian menu is just crazy.
[22:33] <darkmatter> indeed
[22:33] <_MMA_> I like the CC as well but it's code isn't friendly to dark themes.
[22:34] <darkmatter> yeah.. that is its one drawback
[22:38] <_MMA_> darkmatter: What sux, is at some point the Compiz guys adopted the same code and broke things there as well. Patches have been submitted to SUSE and Compiz but no word in a year. :(
[22:38] <darkmatter> _MMA_: the new version of narcissus (got it all sorted out now) will be sexy. basically it will be to clearlooks what http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2084/1882699828_39db4591bf.jpg?v=0 was to win classic, but without the aero and overdone gloss :P
[22:39] <darkmatter> and monochromatic-ish
[22:39]  * _MMA_ clicks
[22:39] <darkmatter> you know.. like a mac but not appleish :P
[22:40] <_MMA_> ;)


[00:03] <Jason1> ok I think I've fixed the issues.  I got it to restart now.  But it would help to know how I can get an original sshd_config file without doing a reinstall
[00:07] <thebwt> hmm, you could download the .deb and extract it from that
[01:59] <pmatulis> Jason1: the file obtained from downloading the source package is the same as /usr/share/doc/openssh-client/examples/sshd_config
[01:59] <ivo_> guys do you think this will make a good swap devise: OCZ Vertex2 2,5" SSD 40 GB ??
[01:59] <pmatulis> Jason1: but i can't say whether this file is what you get when you install openssh-server
[02:00] <pmatulis> Jason1: it seems rather different from the one on my system
[02:14] <qman__> ivo_, I don't have personal experience, but what I've read and heard suggests that SSDs aren't great for constant writing/rewriting, in that they wear out quickly
[02:14] <qman__> I'd go for something like a raptor or 10/15k SCSI disk instead
[02:17] <qman__> higher RPM disks will get access times down, which is the main advantage of SSD
[02:17] <qman__> performance wise
[03:56] <mike1> Setting up a server/transparent proxy/web filter.  Can't get the relationship Modem-> Server ->Router ->  Network  working.   I think the PPPOE on the router is a major problem.  Can't get it to work from server.  Should I have PPPOE left on modem serving an address to server and server serving on ita 2nd NIC?
[03:57] <mike1> The modem only assigns 1 address.
[04:48] <diffra_home> hey all -- i've set the console resolution on my ubuntu server laptop (yeah...) and the resolution is correct, but it's only using the upper let 1/4 of the screen.  How do I configure this?
[05:39] <giovani> diffra_home: how did you set the resolution?
[05:39] <giovani> diffra_home: also, when you open your BIOS does it use up the whole screen?
[10:48] <frith> is it possible to loopback mount a cow2 file?
[12:02] <waheedi> hello
[12:03] <waheedi> i have a 10.0 4 server running on 8 GIG of ram and two cpus
[12:03] <waheedi> a large ec2 instance from amazon
[12:04] <waheedi> and the average load is always above 3/0
[12:04] <waheedi> somtimes its 4.4
[12:05] <cloakable> Then you're loading it up too much
[12:05] <waheedi> but i cant see any process using cpu
[12:05] <cloakable> load isn't just cpu...
[12:05] <cloakable> It's all the system resources
[12:06] <waheedi> nop cloakable
[12:06] <waheedi> average load, is the load for the processes waiting their turn to be processed on cpu
[12:06] <cloakable> hmm
[12:07] <waheedi> so apparently you need to know what is average load before answering me
[12:08] <cloakable> Well, thank you for your highly diplomatic answer
[12:09] <waheedi> you most welcome, mate
[12:09] <waheedi> still i need someone help
[12:10] <waheedi> i need to know what is the normal average load for a busy server
[12:11] <cloakable> Linux includes processes in uninterruptible sleep states, typically waiting for some I/O activity to complete. This can markedly increase the load average on Linux systems.
[12:12] <cloakable> According to a little basic googling
[12:14] <cloakable> In that case, I'd look at your I/O
[12:20] <TuxSax> waheedi: the best is that no process is waiting in queue for it's CPU turn, so the recommended load average should be always below 1
[12:21] <TuxSax> but I have a server that is most of the time on 2 and it's working fine, mysql queries are loading it up, I'm running around 2700 queries every minute and that's what loads my server up
[12:21] <waheedi> TuxSax: cloakable  according to this  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910  i think i have the same bug
[12:22] <TuxSax> waheedi: well, I can't help with solving those bugs... I only know I never like to see my servers going higher than 1 second in their load avg
[12:22] <TuxSax> 1 second in CPU time terms is an eternity!
[12:23] <waheedi> :(
[12:23] <waheedi> it 2-4 on my server
[12:23] <waheedi> im gonna switch bakc to a previous release
[12:23] <TuxSax> but as I said, 2 sec on one of the servers and still responding well
[12:24] <TuxSax> so it all depends on the platform I guess
[12:28] <waheedi> yeah true TuxSax
[12:29] <waheedi> now if i want to upgrade my server kernel
[12:29] <waheedi> is it safe to do it on production
[12:29] <waheedi> while its serving some users
[12:30] <TuxSax> waheedi: preferably not as it may have to be reloaded, but I'm not an EC2 expert, you may better contact Amazon support for that
[12:31] <waheedi> hmm
[12:31] <waheedi> im running ubuntu
[12:31] <TuxSax> Can't you better temporarily load another instance with an upgraded kernel and then move the service to there, then stop the "older" instance?
[12:31] <waheedi> hmm
[12:31] <waheedi> sounds better actually but it needs so many work
[12:32] <TuxSax> I don't recommend this kind of upgrades on "live" serving systems... what if it went wrong?
[12:32] <waheedi> many new installations, moving DB
[12:32] <waheedi> yeah that would be a killer :)
[12:33] <TuxSax> waheedi: there is always two ways, the short way and the right way, you choose... ;-)
[12:33] <waheedi> hahaha 1000% true
[12:33] <waheedi> btw i would love to share my new service with you check it out, http://dakwak.com
[15:15] <Jason3> Im deploying linux on my server and I have just set the hostname for my machine "blah"  When I am setting up the FQDN should it be:
[15:16] <Jason3> myip  www.mysite.com (hostname here)
[15:27] <bogeyd6> probably not
[15:27] <bogeyd6> Jason3, www should be an a record for the machines ip address
[15:28] <bogeyd6> the fqdn for the machine should be blah.domain.com
[15:28] <bogeyd6> then www as an A record
[15:29] <bogeyd6> or cname, your choice
[15:34] <Jason3> so the hostname i have set for my machine is NOT equal to the alias of the machine?
[16:13] <Jason3> still having a slight problem.  i get this error sudo: unable to resolve host "gatorade" after I do sudo -i
[16:18] <TuxSax> Jason3: paste the output of <<hostname -f>> please
[16:19] <TuxSax> Jason3: and also the relevant line on your /etc/hosts
[16:32] <AndyGraybeal> does anyone have a guide or website handy that explaines how to setup a seperate home partition during install with ubuntu 10.04?
[16:34] <AndyGraybeal> something that is step by step
[16:37] <klaas> mnaual partitioning during installation
[16:37] <klaas> or you just do it by hand later:)
[16:38] <AndyGraybeal> klaas: i've tried to manually do it during the installation.  for some reason, it doesn't automatically mount it.
[16:39] <AndyGraybeal> or maybe there is something i'm not understanding.
[16:39] <klaas> use fstab
[16:40] <AndyGraybeal> okay then that's what i'll try; i thought the installer would handle that for me
[17:25] <rdw200169> during the manual partitioning step you have to specify the mount points for all the drives you want in fstab.  if you specify a particular partition to be for /home, for example, then you're done
[17:26] <jeremyn> does anyone have any tips for this ssh error? "debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0"
[17:27] <jeremyn> received using ssh -vvv <hostname> while attempting to ssh to a server
[17:35] <jeremyn> it's just from one system, i can ssh to the server from another server no problem
[17:35] <Jason3> just installed apache, mysql, and php on my server.  i have a test index.php file but when I enter it in the URL it tries to download the file rather than opening it.  ?????
[17:35] <jeremyn> also, other communication between the "bad" client and the server works fine, it's just ssh with the problem
[17:36] <Jason3> normal html files are fine.  PHP files don't want to open
[17:39] <jeremyn> Jason3: be sure to enable php for apache, like "sudo a2enmod php5" or whatever else
[17:44] <Jason3> says its already enabled
[17:46] <jeremyn> Jason3: not sure man, sounds like the problem is that apache doesn't think php files are something that can be executed
[17:48] <Jason3> can root own the index.php file and it run in the webbrowser?
[17:50] <jeremyn> Jason3: that's not how it works. apache runs the php file on the server and sends you output
[17:50] <jeremyn> Jason3: php files do not run in your browser
[17:51] <jeremyn> i figured out my ssh problem btw if anyone is interested, i was trying to ssh <hostname> but hostname wasn't identified in /etc/hosts
[17:51] <funkyHat> jeremyn: you need to install libapache2-mod-php5
[17:51] <jeremyn> funkyHat: i think you meant that for Jason3
[17:52] <funkyHat> jeremyn: sorry, yeah
[17:52] <Jason3> i understand.  i think it might be permissions.  root owns the file
[17:52] <funkyHat> jeremyn: if it's just something you want to define for ssh you could use ~/.ssh/config instead
[17:52] <jeremyn> funkyHat: nah, i want it generally known but thanks for the tip
[17:53] <funkyHat> that's also quite good if you want to define a username so you don't have to type it each time (of course if you have the same username as on the client that's irrelevant)
[17:53] <funkyHat> Jason3: if apache was trying to serve the php file as text then it can read the file, so that's not the issue
[17:56] <Jason3> ok
[18:11] <Jason3> i've seen others in some foroumns that have the same problem but their solutions aren't working for me.
[18:17] <Hilikus> i'm trying to configure bind9 to solve loopback problems with clients in the LAN, but my dns is dynip.com. if i define a zone dynip.com will it try to resolve X.dynip.com? i want to limit my dns server to a specific subdomain
[18:17] <Hilikus> and have everything else forwarded
[18:21] <Jason3> it was the browsers cache that was the problem.  I cleared the cache and all is ok
[18:49] <Jason3> I've got my server running great at the moment.  What is the best way to do a full backup of it?
[18:55] <thebwt> Jason3: what specifically? many people keep /etc under version controll
[18:57] <Jason3> I'm running a server remotely, I dont have access to the physical box.   I've just setup ubuntu and have it working smoothly.  Im not very familiar with any type of linux and I want to backup everything so that rather than doing a fresh install and then going through and apt-get etc all the packages, and installing apache, mysql and php all over again is there a way to just copy files
[18:58] <thebwt> I guess you could clone drives.. but thats inneffecient. installing thsoe things is easy, it's conmfiguring them thats the pain right?
[18:59] <Jason3> yes that would be true
[18:59] <thebwt> off on a hike bbl
[19:00] <Jason3> thebwt: so the best thing to do is be prepared to do the full install and just keep my config files backed up?
[19:00] <Jason3> (and mysql databases? websites, etc?
[20:14] <Jason3> how do I turn it off so that browsers don't list the files in a folder if it goes there and there is no index file?
[20:20] <Adri2000> Jason3: depends on the web server
[20:25] <Jason3> apcahe2
[20:27] <alex_joni> any folder or just one?
[20:27] <Jason3> for a specific site in the www folder
[20:28] <alex_joni> first google hit: http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/apache-httpd-how-to-turn-off-index-listing-in-directory-protect-wordpress-wp-content/
[20:29] <alex_joni> Options -Indexes
[22:06] <kinygos> hi all...apologies for the n00b question.  i'm running ubuntu server 10.04 lts, and changing the keyboard layout to uk qwerty using console-data.  when i reboot, the layout is back to us.  how do i get it to default to uk?
[22:08] <kinygos> if it's a lengthy answer, can anyone give me a hint as to where to look for an answer?
[22:08] <sherr> kinygos: I have the following in /etc/default/console-setup :
[22:08] <sherr> XKBLAYOUT="gb"
[22:09] <sherr> Maybe relevant to your problem.
[22:09] <kinygos> thank you :) i'll have a look
[22:28] <MTecknology> So.. I added a PPA but apt-get update then apt-cache policy won't show the new version.. Any ideas why?
[22:29] <kinygos> sherr: i made that change, but it hasn't made a difference...i've been hunting round for hints online but failing miserably...any other ideas?
[22:32] <kinygos> does anyone know how to change the default keyboard layout and mappings in ubuntu server 10.04 lts?
[22:38] <kinygos> different question, how do i get the following command to run at startup >sudo loadkeys --default
[22:38] <kinygos> i'm going for a brute force solution to my problem...
[22:39] <kinygos> i've copied /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/uk.kmap.gz to /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/defkeymap.kmap.gz
[22:40] <ChmEarl> kinygos, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[22:40] <kinygos> ChmEarl: that sounds promising..thanks, brb :)
[22:42] <kinygos> ChmEarl: that generated a bunch of locales...saying they were up to date...
[22:42] <kinygos> rebooting...
[22:43] <kinygos> ChmEarl: unfortunately, it's back to US again :(
[22:47] <kinygos> at risk of spamming my question: how do i get ubuntu server 10.04 to remember the keyboard layout i specify with dkpg-reconfigure console-setup?
[22:48] <kinygos> (clearly i meant dpkg-reconfigure console-setup)
[22:54] <zhobbs> I'm trying to install an ubuntu-server KVM guest via SSH, how can I disable framebuffer support in the installer?
[23:13] <MTecknology> zul: you around?
[23:16] <MTecknology> !info passenger
[23:45] <kinygos> apologies for repeating my question...does anyone know how to configure ubuntu server 10.04 to remember the keyboard layout/mapping/locale that i specify using console-data?
[23:45] <kinygos> it reverts to US when i reboot the server :(


[04:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:23] <ducasse> good morning
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> start your poll here maxFlexGuest
[14:13] <maxFlexGuest> Will there be any two Ubuntu releases with the same wallpaper?
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> maxFlexGuest: you mean will ubuntu releases have the same mascot?
[14:15] <maxFlexGuest> I can see the future! I am able to see a new *buntu flavor release with Hirsute Hippo.
[14:19] <Maik> maxFlexGuest: time to stop fooling around
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> maxFlexGuest: did you find a new mascot for our new LTS yet?
[14:35] <maxFlexGuest> Hirsute Hippo, Interstellar Insect, Joyous Jellyfish, ...
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> maxFlexGuest: negative, insect is a general name, pick an animal
[14:36] <maxFlexGuest> Intelligent Iguana (this is pre-LTS)
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> maybe maybe
[14:39] <Maik> -_-
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:41] <Maik> annoying little fella


[02:21] <omegaphoenix> Do you guys usually develop on virtual boxes?
[02:22] <bluesabre> omegaphoenix: I develop on hardware, test with virtual machines and hardware
[02:23] <bluesabre> virtual machines let me test multiple configurations and distros easily (debian, fedora, opensuse, etc)
[02:25] <omegaphoenix> Where are the files for development?
[02:25] <omegaphoenix> I found the daily build page
[02:26] <bluesabre> omegaphoenix: primarily launchpad.net and git.xfce.org
[02:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: it worrrrrrks! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXWXF4LffgY&feature=youtu.be
[03:01] <bluesabre> night all
[03:45] <HoloIRCUser1> How does Xubuntu development set-up differ from packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html
[08:48] <flocculant> bluesabre: \o/
[12:30] <flocculant> well I more or less successfully exported panel config to a clean install :)
[12:31] <flocculant> knome: ack the "sanest thing to do is to group them by month, then add some indication of the date"
[12:31] <knome>  :)
[12:31] <knome> i'll land that change later today..
[13:23] <knome> flocculant, done
[21:48] <ochosi> andrzejr: not sure what version of greybird you're using and yeah ofc with a different xfwm4 theme things become inconsistent. sorry you don't like the xfwm4 theme of greybird, i guess you'd have to modify the greybird CSD styling yourself in order to get what you want...
[21:51] <andrzejr> ochosi, I've seen your discussion with ofourdan. Couldn't really follow the details, but is there any reason why Greybird couldn't include some xfwm4-specific css definitions coming from another xfwm4 theme?
[21:52] <ochosi> well you can do that yourself by modifying the respective portions of css in greybird
[21:52] <ochosi> but there is no (unhacky) dynamic way to do that
[21:52] <andrzejr> why not? You can dynamically change the theme after all.
[21:52] <ochosi> thing is, it's very simple: with CSD you lose the ability to indepedently choose gtk and wm theme
[21:52] <ochosi> because it's the same
[21:53] <ochosi> also, there is no xfwm4-specific css
[21:53] <andrzejr> so far
[21:53] <ochosi> xfwm4 has its own theming system (which olivier wants to keep in place)
[21:54] <ochosi> so yeah, i guess as long as xfce doesn't go CSD all over, you'll have to live with what we have atm
[21:54] <ochosi> the situation even won't change when xfwm4 is ported to gtk3
[21:54] <ochosi> simply because the theming isn't done in CSS and nothing is drawn by Gtk
[21:55] <andrzejr> we could add css to all default xfwm themes. I assume the only thing left to do is to include it in a gtk theme.
[21:55] <ochosi> that was my suggestion to olivier, but he felt it was too hacky
[21:55] <ochosi> there is no easy way to override the current theme with a css portion afaik
[21:56] <ochosi> i mean: not within the app but from the outside (e.g. coming from xfsettingsd)
[21:56] <andrzejr> we could have a link xfwm4.css or similar pointing to the current theme,
[21:57] <ochosi> oh also: if you want to change more than just the wm icons, that css file would be fairly long
[21:57] <ochosi> you'd have to theme the whole headerbar and somehow ensure it'd still be consistent with *any given gtk theme*
[21:58] <andrzejr> how does xfsettingsd currently change the gtk theme? We could use the same method.
[21:59] <ochosi>  changes an xsetting afaik
[21:59] <ochosi> this one: /Net/ThemeName
[21:59] <andrzejr> That's the point. It doesn't have to be consistent with any gtk theme, only with xfwm themes.
[22:00] <ochosi> it sure does. headerbars/CSD contains Gtk widgets like buttons, comboboxes, entries etc
[22:00] <ochosi> you can't make those look like crap or unreadable with the CSS you're loading
[22:01] <ochosi> so yeah, long story short: appearance settings isn't the solution cause it changes an xsetting that Gtk+ listens to and then changes the theme
[22:01] <ochosi> maybe it can be done manually too, one would have to read the Gtk+ source code though to know for sure
[22:01] <andrzejr> since it is an Xfwm-specific mechanism we could add our own xsettings entry.
[22:01] <ochosi> (and yeah, the easy way is putting a file in ~/.config/gtk-3.0)
[22:02] <ochosi> anyhoo, the other thing is that i'm not really sure it's worth it...
[22:02] <ochosi> it's a lot of hassle and hackiness for dubious outcome
[22:02] <ochosi> the ideal situation is that you use a gtk and xfwm4 theme that match
[22:04] <andrzejr> The last resort solution is indeed making a new theme. A naive question, would you mind adding more contrast to Greybird's window decorations an widening the borders to >=4px?
[22:05] <ochosi> this isn't the kind of change i take lightly tbh
[22:05] <ochosi> i haven't heard many complaints about the contrast in a very long time
[22:06] <ochosi> (or any to be exact)
[22:06] <ochosi> wrt xfwm4 decoration borders, yeah, i've been working on a wider version
[22:06] <andrzejr> I know it is in "usability vs prettiness" territory but many users would appreciate such changes, even if as a variant.
[22:06] <ochosi> i personally dont like it and i'm not sure why anyone would need it, but sure... :)
[22:06] <ochosi> (yeah, yeah, the usual complaint is about resizing windows but there are so many other ways to resize windows...)
[22:07] <ochosi> so yeah, the a11y variant is planned but still a few steps away
[22:07] <knome> oops, that blew my idle cover :O
[22:07] <knome> :P
[22:07] <ochosi> i currently just dont have the time to work with it very much
[22:07] <ochosi> hehe indeed :p
[22:08] <knome> i was just going to step out of the misty closet anyway
[22:08] <andrzejr> I agree with this complaint. Resizing the windows is *the* purpose of window borders. Otherwise why include them at all.
[22:08] <knome> andrzejr, i don't agree, the purpose of the window borders is to create structure for the data on the screen ;)
[22:10] <ochosi> andrzejr: that's ok, then make xfwm4 use the shadow of the window as its resize area (like CSD do) ;)
[22:10] <knome> ochosi, i'd like you to check out something
[22:10] <knome> ochosi, bzr branch lp:xubuntu-docs
[22:10] <knome> ochosi, in branch root: make clean style html
[22:11] <knome> err
[22:11] <knome> ochosi, make startpage html <- should be enough and correct
[22:11] <knome> ochosi, then see build/index.html
[22:11] <andrzejr> fair point. but afaik that wouldn't work without compositing enabled.
[22:11] <knome> andrzejr, of course not, because there is no shadow then
[22:12] <knome> but then again you could use another xfwm theme (for example, the greybird a11y version, hopefully in the near future)
[22:14] <andrzejr> I hope the a11y version will not go overboard with a11y. There is nothing wrong with Gtk widgets theming, just the wm part.
[22:14] <knome> no, it's not supposed to be high contrast
[22:15] <knome> ochosi, did you pick that up? :)
[22:15] <ochosi> andrzejr: you can try the xfwm4-a11y branch of greybird if you want, but it's still very much WIP
[22:16] <knome> andrzejr, and if you have specific wishes/suggestions, at least i don't care if you submit them as issues in github
[22:16] <andrzejr> oh, I didn't know you've got something already.
[22:16] <knome> something... not a lot
[22:18] <andrzejr> well, my wish is to make the CSD fad go away (not just for visual inconsistency, I consider it a massive step back in terms of usability too). But I guess that a WONTFIX.
[22:19] <knome> that's not something for greybird anyway
[22:21] <andrzejr> sure, just ranting
[22:21] <ochosi> :>
[22:21] <knome> ;)
[22:21] <knome> ochosi, hellooooo?
[22:21] <ochosi> knome: i'm pulling...
[22:21] <knome> thanks :P
[22:22] <ochosi> i'm using my phone with tethering,no interwebs in new flat yet...
[22:22] <knome> awwh
[22:22] <ochosi> so yeah, that sort of thing takes time
[22:22] <ochosi> plus LP is slow
[22:22] <knome> i could have pushed stuff in the webs for you then
[22:22] <knome> well, pulling the docs branch is always slow
[22:22] <knome> when you do it with no previous data
[22:23] <knome> i'll race you, let's see if i'm ready first
[22:23] <ochosi> ok done
[22:23] <knome> aha
[22:23] <knome> you win
[22:23] <knome> now do: make startpage html
[22:24] <knome> and forget my sillyness about style and clean before ;)
[22:24] <ochosi> much nicer look than the current docs
[22:24] <knome> heh
[22:24] <knome> well
[22:24] <ochosi> looks more like the website ;)
[22:24] <knome> it's a slight refresh
[22:24] <knome> yeah, that's the point
[22:24] <ochosi> with the shadows and colors
[22:24] <knome> also click to the docs
[22:24] <knome> should have a similar style
[22:25] <knome> so if you're happy with that, then good
[22:25] <ochosi> yup, +1 from me
[22:25] <knome> just wanted another pair of eyes
[22:25] <ochosi> why does the TOC have to have that dark bar on the left?
[22:26] <knome> if you go to a chapter page, you'll notice why
[22:26] <knome> (it would mix in too easily with the content)
[22:26] <ochosi> and why is it that hyperlinks are blue *and* underlined?
[22:26] <knome> and keeping it on the frontpage as well makes stuff consistent
[22:26] <ochosi> right
[22:27] <knome> i think just changing the color is meh with short paragraphs
[22:27] <knome> eg, see http://docs.xubuntu.org/1410/guide-default-apps.html#default-graphics
[22:27] <knome> it would look weird with no underlines
[22:27] <knome> and it's added clarity
[22:27] <knome> which is never bad in a documentation imo
[22:28] <knome> there are also other blue things, eg. http://docs.xubuntu.org/1410/media-apps.html#media-music-listen
[22:28] <knome> sure, they are different blues, but if people see elliptic circles..
[22:28] <knome> O;)
[22:29] <ochosi> hah
[22:29] <ochosi> sad excuses!
[22:29] <knome> :D
[22:29] <ochosi> :D
[22:29] <knome> no, i stand by the style
[22:29] <knome> i think it's good
[22:29] <knome> it works well with the content we have there
[22:29] <ochosi> anyway, nice refresh
[22:29] <knome> maybe we should add the underlines for the website as well ;)
[22:30] <knome> (no, not really, that's a different beast)
[22:30] <knome> and thanks
[22:30] <ochosi> the home icon is a bit awkward though tbh, why is it not blue like the navigation arrows?
[22:31]  * ochosi feels nitpicky
[22:31] <knome> because != https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68ugkg9RePc
[22:33] <ochosi> ouch
[22:33] <ochosi> good i have my laptop muted by default
[22:33] <knome> so, no blue house and no blue window
[22:33] <knome> just fifty shades of grey
[22:33] <knome> :P
[22:33] <ochosi> :D
[22:34] <ochosi> anyhoo, gotta get some sleep
[22:34] <knome> well, the real answer:
[22:34] <knome> i tried that when i did those icons, and it looked weird with all blue
[22:34] <knome> and nighty :)
[22:34] <ochosi> that's ok :)
[22:34] <knome> (and good luck with the "sleep" part)
[22:34] <ochosi> heh, thanks


[11:08] <FLOZz> hi
[13:30] <mac_v> ckontros: hi... do we want to fix Bug #301035 ?
[13:31] <ckontros> Hmm... Where the bot?
[13:32] <mac_v> Bug #301035
[13:32] <mac_v> oh no bot!
[13:32] <mac_v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set/+bug/301035
[13:32] <ckontros> nope. I pinged someone about it.
[13:33] <ckontros> mac_v: I've been watching this also. *We* can't do anything until the technical stuff is in place.
[13:33] <mac_v> ckontros: then i guess we leave it for now, if we set the bug as "wont fix" , people will miss interpret it
[13:34] <mac_v> yeah , my thoughts too
[13:37] <ckontros> mac_v: I updated the status.
[13:38] <mac_v> ckontros: what does the "Affects me too" actually do?
[13:44] <ckontros> I dont see that phrase anywhere.
[13:46] <mac_v> ckontros: "This bug affects me" just below the projects, or it will be > "This bug doesn't affect me"
[13:46] <SiDi> mac_v: it says you are affected by the bug
[13:46] <ruslanr> mac_v: maybe it's just adds you to "Also notified" list :)
[13:46] <SiDi> you can then sort bugs by number of affected people
[13:46] <mac_v> SiDi: the subscriber knows that , but ideally it should list the number of people affected
[13:47] <SiDi> it's meant to avoid having dozens of "i have this bug too" comments, but it doesnt work
[13:47] <ckontros> mac_v: Just lets you add other packages/projects.
[13:47] <SiDi> For your bug 301035, you should set it to incomplete and state that you first need the technical part to be implemented imo
[13:48] <mac_v> SiDi: actually breathe doesnt need technical stuff... we are just waiting for the tech stuff
[13:48] <ckontros> SiDi: It's set appropriately in this case. At least for Breathe.
[13:48] <mac_v> ^
[13:50] <SiDi> mac_v: i see
[13:52] <mac_v> ckontros: just a reminder... our lp> https://launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set , banner needs an update too
[13:53] <ckontros> It will soon. Waiting on some things to fall in place.


[12:48] <lfaraone> Wooh! One of my packages was just proposed for inclusion into main.
[12:49] <lfaraone> And by that, I mean "was included into main". bug 790547


[04:20] <mup> Bug #1814164 changed: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>
[04:26] <mup> Bug #1814164 opened: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>
[04:32] <mup> Bug #1814164 changed: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>
[04:35] <mup> Bug #1814164 opened: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>
[04:38] <mup> Bug #1814164 changed: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>
[04:41] <mup> Bug #1814164 opened: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>
[04:44] <mup> Bug #1814164 changed: Unable to remove DNS records where name is in the format <name>.<domain> <dns> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1814164>


[08:41] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:59] <sitter> the initial upload script is somewhat agrevating
[09:10] <Riddell> Quintasan: then go with the patch I did and maybe work out if it really needs two binaries, my feeling is that's just weirdly complex to the user
[09:11] <yofel> why would the user care about the binary? I'm pretty sure that most just use the desktop file and whoever doesn't will figure out that ktron is now ksnakeduel...
[09:12] <Riddell> yofel: right but it's making both ksnakeduel and kdesnake binaries
[09:12] <Riddell> dunno if it has two .desktop files
[09:12] <Riddell> and hopefully Quintasan will take care of it so I don't have to :)
[09:13] <yofel> ah, yeah, that's weird...
[09:15] <soee_> good morning
[09:16] <yofel> moin soee_
[09:19] <sitter> :@
[09:29] <sitter> Riddell: where does kf57 go for staging?
[09:32] <Riddell> sitter: kubuntu-ppa/staging?
[09:33] <sitter> when do we put things in ninjas?
[09:34] <Riddell> sitter: or you can use ninjas if you like, it's just another staging ppa which is able to support tars that are ment to be hidden
[09:34] <sitter> is it meant to be hiddne?
[09:34] <sitter> *hidden
[09:35] <sitter> frameworks that is
[09:36] <Riddell> sitter: doesn't matter
[09:40] <sitter> fair enough
[09:40] <sitter> > $ ruby ppa-wipe.rb
[09:40] <sitter> too late to call backsies now
[09:45] <soee> https://plus.google.com/+RobvandenBerg290569/posts/Ep7NxPhqGFM :)
[09:46] <sitter> uploading kf57 to staging
[09:47] <sitter> Riddell: that upload script is an unreliable gunk. I have now written my own proto tooling to do it right >.<
[09:55] <Riddell> lovely
[10:32]  * sitter wonders why the ecm version wasn't bumped
[10:47] <sitter> ScottK: are you coming to akademy?
[10:48] <Riddell> he totally should
[11:42] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:53] <soee> someone can test one thing in amarok ?
[12:29] <ScottK> sitter: I hadn't planned on it.
[12:29] <ScottK> $work is very busy, so not sure I can afford the week away.
[13:34] <ScottK> FYI, after all the who ha about how critical it was to change the scheduler to CFQ in trusty, the relevant bug (1378789) is still unverified 2 and  a half months later.
[13:34] <ScottK> Does anyone care?
[13:44] <sitter> the day anyone starts carying about bug reports...
[13:50] <ScottK> Considering someone thought it was worth going to the tech board to fix, seems at silly not to go to the trouble of verifying the SRU.
[13:51] <sitter> yes
[13:57] <sebas> if it's the same techboard which thought changing the scheduler is a good solution in the first place, I don't have much hope...
[14:00] <ScottK> sebas: The tech board agreed to it.
[14:00] <sebas> Yes, my point.
[14:01] <ScottK> No, I mean they agreed to change it back.
[14:01] <ScottK> The only thing that stands in the way of the change being deployed is someone testing the fix works.
[14:01] <sebas> They should have not agreed, in fact, they should have checked for crack abuse or mental illnesses. ;)
[14:03] <sebas> ow, they agreed ... that's good (esp. given that nobody seemed to know if that hack was even necessary anymore)
[14:23] <sgclark> morning
[14:38] <sebas> moin sgclark
[14:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning sgclark
[14:38] <BluesKaj> sebas, we use real english in here
[14:39] <sebas> BluesKaj: so I conclude that "we" does not include me, in which case you may or may not be right ;)
[14:40] <sebas> Your nickname doesn't add any credibility to that, btw.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> sebas, troll if you wish , see where it gets you
[14:42] <sebas> BluesKaj: likewise, and nice to meet you :)
[14:42] <sgclark> lol oh my
[14:42] <sgclark> going to be at akademy sebas?
[14:42] <BluesKaj> heh yeah ...a little attiude goes a long way
[14:43] <sebas> sgclark: surely, in fact I started looking for diving buddies, considering going a few days early
[14:43] <sebas> you?
[14:43] <sgclark> of course! look forward to seeing you there!
[14:43] <sebas> BluesKaj: if that's some sort of welcoming procedure you're trying to follow, please just skip me and ignore my presence
[14:43] <sebas> sgclark: awesome!
[14:44] <sgclark> BluesKaj: sebas is cool :) all is well
[14:44]  * sgclark goes for more coffee
[14:44]  * sebas goes for lunch
[14:44] <sebas> BluesKaj: see, we can be friends!
[14:45] <sebas> I'm a nice guy and all that, none to be afraid of
[14:47] <Riddell> ScottK: I wasn't able to verify the cfq baloo issue because I couldn't recreate the initial problem when I tried
[14:47] <Riddell> and I got a nice volunteer in the office to spend a whole day trying
[14:47] <ScottK> I think if you verify the scheduler is changed, that's sufficient.
[14:47] <BluesKaj> sgclark, improper wording is a annoyance to me ...I may be old and grumpy but this text style wording bugs me ...why not use proper english, is that too much to ask?
[14:48] <sgclark> BluesKaj: well then you need to start with Riddell as his greeting vary everyday lol. really it does not bother me so it should not bother you how someone greets me. :)
[14:49] <Riddell> ScottK: oh that seems easier
[14:49] <BluesKaj> well ok , guess I'm outnumbered :)
[14:50] <sgclark> anyway, Riddell I am afraid the new kdepim has symbols missing... that look to be public methods, I may need your assistance
[14:51] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh fooey
[14:52] <sgclark> otherwise applications done. not sure how testing went
[14:52] <sgclark> I also got am email asking for 4.14.3 backports?
[14:53] <Riddell> I was just going to ignore 4.14.3, there's only so much we can do
[14:53] <sgclark> ok
[14:54] <soee> sgclark: i did not test them, i see 2 reds and one dep waiting, so i decided to wait
[14:54] <sgclark> is applications also in utopic?
[14:54] <sgclark> soee: that dep will never resolve so ignore ktux
[14:54] <soee> :D
[14:54] <sgclark> soee: those two reds are for optional that will also never resolve
[14:55] <soee> sgclark: the packages are in ninjas ?
[14:55] <sgclark> should still function tho
[14:55] <sgclark> soee: yep
[14:55] <sebas> it should be "an annoyance", in proper English, btw
[14:55] <soee> sgclark: let me check if i have it in my source list
[14:55] <sebas> there's really no use in being overly spelling / grammar nazi, I'd think
[14:55] <sgclark> sebas: he left I think
[14:55] <soee> um not, after fresh install some time ago, Riddell can you send me ninjas ppa details ?
[14:55] <sebas> he returned, my client tells me
[14:56] <sgclark> ahh ok
[14:56] <sebas> not to worry, I'm not planning on letting the language deteriorate any further, in fact I quite enjoy proper use of language
[14:59] <soee> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10143430/ right ?
[15:01] <sgclark> soee: mmm sure? not sure what you are asking.
[15:01] <soee> sgclark: those packages i have listed to be upgraded
[15:03] <sgclark> Riddell: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343892 he is asking qt4 or qt5, was I suppose to do something special make it compile qt5? assuming we want qt5
[15:06] <sitter> sgclark: where is that kalgebra from?
[15:06] <soee> there is a lot of packages marked as 4.14.5 - this is fine ?
[15:06] <soee> Unpacking kdelibs5-data (4:4.14.5-4~ubuntu1~ubuntu15.04~ppa1) over (4:4.14.2-4~ubuntu3) ...
[15:07] <sgclark> soee: yep
[15:08] <soee> brb, reboot
[15:09] <sgclark> sitter: this is cantor kde-applcations 14.12.2
[15:09] <sgclark> s/applcations/applications/
[15:09] <kubotu> sgclark meant: "sitter: this is cantor kde-applications 14.12.2"
[15:10] <sitter> that seems veeeeeeeery odd
[15:10] <sgclark> kalgebra is also
[15:10] <sgclark> indeed
[15:10] <sitter> according to your output it is looking for qt4 stuff
[15:11] <Riddell> sgclark: looking at 14.12.0 tars analitza is kf5 and cantor is kdelibs4
[15:11] <soee> sgclark: smooth upgrade on vivid
[15:11] <sitter> ah ah
[15:11] <sitter> in the backend
[15:11] <sgclark> I think they did a qt5 port as he is asking me if it is qt4 or qt5
[15:12]  * sitter still confused xD
[15:12] <sitter> sgclark: do you have a complete build log?
[15:12] <sgclark> sitter: should be in status link
[15:14] <sitter> ah, cantor is failing fair enough
[15:14] <sitter> so the problem is cantor is qt4, analitza is already qt5, cantor wants qt4 analitza, can't find it, starts whining
[15:15] <sgclark> I think they ddid a cantor kf5 port, I will package by hand with qf5 and see if that fixes it.
[15:15] <sitter> two options: a) ignore it b) fix the analitza packaging to have a versioned -dev package i.e. libanalitza0-dev or something, that way you can still pull in the qt4 analitza when needed
[15:16] <sitter> sgclark: well they didn't release it so the existance of a port doesn't help us much
[15:16] <soee> can someone emind me where default .bashrc content is stored ?
[15:16] <soee> *remind
[15:16] <sgclark> sitter: ahh ok.
[15:17] <Riddell> sgclark: I think best thing is just to not ship cantor for now
[15:18] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[15:30] <Riddell> sgclark: I looked through kdepimlibs sources and compared them, it looks like they changed some private functions in libkabc4 but that should be fine to do and there's no change in libakonadi-contact4 sources so I guess that's just gcc doing something more clever than I can understand
[15:30] <Riddell> sgclark: so find to update the symbols file and remove the MISSING lines
[15:31] <sgclark> Riddell: great thanks
[15:31] <Riddell> s/find/fine/
[15:31] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "sgclark: so fine to update the symbols file and remove the MISSING lines"
[15:59] <sitter> Riddell: how long are you here today?
[16:00] <Riddell> sitter: um, another hour, maybe two
[16:00] <Riddell> ¿porque?
[16:01] <sitter> sending mail
[16:01] <sitter> Riddell: kf57 needs poking
[16:01] <sitter> I really don't get why no one has written a script for that
[16:02] <Riddell> we have a retry script no?
[16:02] <Riddell> kubuntu-retry-builds
[16:02] <Riddell> I usually just put that on cron
[16:02] <sitter> that's silly
[16:02]  * BluesKaj is wondering why VDs with separate backgrounds is dropped on plasma 5
[16:03] <sebas> it was dropped in Plasma 4 already
[16:03] <sebas> it just wasn't reimplemented in Plasma 5
[16:03] <sitter> Riddell: also kservice is bogus red
[16:05]  * sitter out
[16:17] <BluesKaj> I'm currently running 14.10 with plasma 4 and have 6 different backagrounds for my 6 VDs
[16:25] <sebas> that's not something supported upstream, though
[16:25] <sebas> there may be hacks around for it, I don't care much
[16:29] <BluesKaj> i think different backgrounds are supported for acivities on separate VDs
[16:29] <sgclark> Riddell: I can poke builds, I am still here for several more hours
[16:30] <BluesKaj> but no activities are really needed here...my needs are pretty ordinary
[16:32] <sebas> they're supported for activities, but entirely orthogonal from VDs
[16:32] <sebas> orthogonal to?
[16:32]  * sebas would guess "to"
[16:34] <soee> BluesKaj: think of activities like VD on steroids :)
[16:35] <BluesKaj> soee, well i don't need steroids atm, maybe later some cortisone for my knees :)
[16:36] <soee> hihi :D
[16:36] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah that would be muchos lovely, it should just be a case of running kubuntu-retry
[16:36] <sgclark> ok
[16:47] <BluesKaj> ok, back to plasma 5 for a while
[16:54] <soee> :]
[17:01] <santa_> shadeslayer: ping?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> santa_: pong
[17:06] <santa_> shadeslayer: some time ago you made some things in phonon, would you have time this week to include some extra changes and/or discuss issues via irc?
[17:06] <shadeslayer> uh, what things?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> and if it's a patch, you can just post to Review Board?
[17:08] <santa_> shadeslayer: it's about merging things into git's master, and then re-work a patch for 4.8.3 and solve a packaging issue
[17:08] <santa_> shadeslayer: if you mean kde's reviewboard it's out of scope
[17:09] <santa_> (they are packaging things)
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:09] <shadeslayer> santa_: if you could just put a git repo up somewhere and point me to it
[17:09] <shadeslayer> I can have a look at the diff between the debian packaging and yours
[17:09] <santa_> yeah, I have some partial work
[17:09] <shadeslayer> cool, just ping me with a link here
[17:09] <santa_> the rest would need a bit of discussion
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:16] <santa_> shadeslayer: https://gitorious.org/siduction-kde-kf5-dependencies/phonon
[17:16] <santa_> master branch is a copy of what you have in alioth
[17:17] <santa_> master_tmp are some of my changes
[17:17] <shadeslayer> cheers
[17:18] <santa_> warning it doesn't build yet
[17:19] <santa_> because phonon_is_not_forced_in_KDE.diff needs to be updated or removed
[17:20] <santa_> I have removed it for siduction (see branch sdn-4.8.3) but I'm not completely sure it's the right solution
[17:23] <santa_> also there's an extra issue, but let's get our packaging a bit more sync'ed first. I think it would be nice to have something similar in debian, kubuntu and siduction rather than doing each one its own packaging
[17:24] <shadeslayer> its not
[17:25] <shadeslayer> debian forces funky paths
[17:25] <shadeslayer> and installs to old locations
[17:26] <santa_> so it would need to be refreshed
[18:00] <santa_> shadeslayer: ok, so if I get some free time I will try to refresh that patch, in the meantime I may offer other more simple changes to sgclark for applications 14.12.2
[18:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[18:08] <soee> in Kubuntu kwrited is compiled into kded ?
[18:19] <shadeslayer> well, probably not a kubuntu specific thing tbh
[18:20] <soee> hmm
[18:20] <santa_> sgclark: ping?
[18:21] <soee> shadeslayer: do you mind take a look at my conversation @ #plasma ?
[18:21] <soee> so i wonder if we should have kwrited in kubuntu or not :)
[18:22] <shadeslayer> I have 6 of them
[18:23] <shadeslayer> seems to have been started from kwrited
[18:23] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:23] <shadeslayer> kdeinit5
[18:23] <soee> i killed them all, ~20 was to much :)
[18:23] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:24] <_Groo_> could any kind soul fix the kio-mtp package in ci? still wants to remove plasma-desktop
[20:25] <_Groo_> ill send cookies


[01:08] <jbicha> any archive admin want to look at bug 1649163 ?
[01:08] <ubot5`> bug 1649163 in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Please remove ubuntu-mobile-default-settings from Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649163
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[08:29] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, can anybody please hint plasma-framework/5.26.0-0ubuntu2 on s390x? this will make cmake migrate
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> also, can anybody please look at python3-protobuf in zesty new queue?
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> this will unblock src:caffe
[10:15] <xnox> flocculant, i know, i am working on it.
[10:15] <xnox> flocculant, sorry about that!
[11:47] <ppisati> can anybody look at flash-kernel / linux-firmware-raspi2 / u-boot pkgs in xenial / update_excuses?
[11:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (yakkety-proposed) [4.8.0-31.33]
[11:52] <smb> xnox, particularly wondering why those ^ are in "not touching ... due to block request by freeze" and how to get out of there in a sensible manner
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[11:53] <xnox> smb, what in particular are you after? and which releases?
[11:53] <smb> xnox, more ppisati and xenial
[11:54] <smb> the three packages he mentioned
[11:55] <xnox> ppisati, smb: proposed migration is not used to migrate SRUs.
[11:56] <xnox> ppisati, smb: as per https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html none of those three packages are tested and marked as done, as per comment on each of the bugs those packages are meant to fix.
[11:56] <smb> xnox, can you translate the first statement for normal mortals
[11:57] <xnox> please follow the SRU workflow as document via bug comments and described in detail at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=show&redirect=StableReleaseUpdate#Verification
[11:57] <xnox> smb, i think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates?action=show&redirect=StableReleaseUpdate#Verification should go into enough detail. I hope.
[11:57] <xnox> smb, ppisati: tl;dr => follow the steps of the bug testcase, verify things work - with packages from proposed, for the right release(s), change "verification-needed" to "verification-done" if everything is good.
[11:58] <xnox> change from "verification-needed" to "verification-failed" if not.
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[12:00] <smb> xnox, I could imagine some of the issues come from the fact that the bug is only a single report covering several packages which need to go out before the kernel package should. So would kind of need sub-verifications
[12:00] <xnox> smb, comment on the bug for ubuntu-sru team to do the right thing.
[12:01] <xnox> smb, i hope packages have correct dependencies declared. e.g. other depends on linux (>= fancy-version)
[12:01] <xnox> smb, also don't use single bug if you want to land packages in stages =)
[12:01] <xnox> (for the future)
[12:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (vivid-proposed) [3.19.0-78.86]
[12:04] <flocculant> xnox: ack :)
[12:10] <ppisati> xnox: done
[12:12] <xnox> ppisati, now you just need to wait for most ubuntu-sru team members to actually make it home and wake up in a jetlagged time zone =)
[12:13] <ppisati> xnox: awesome!
[13:14] <xnox> slangasek, infinity: could you please create yakkety-updates milestone for ubuntu/yakkety please?
[15:12] <sergiusens> slangasek or infinity mind letting snapcraft into xenial-updates and yakkety-proposed ?
[16:05] <jbicha> could an archive admin look at bug 1649163 ?
[16:05] <ubot5`> bug 1649163 in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Please remove ubuntu-mobile-default-settings from Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649163
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[18:13] <bdmurray> ddellav: There are multiple aodh uploads in the queue for yakkety, which can I reject? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+queue?queue_state=4&queue_text=
[18:14] <infinity> bdmurray: If they're all from the same uploader, I assume the most recent is the one they want.
[18:14] <infinity> (And if that assumption is incorrect, maybe they shouldn't have uploaded 7 times)
[18:15] <bdmurray> infinity: that sounds like a good assumption
[18:17] <bdmurray> infinity: Oh, somebody already accepted an aodh into yakkety so I guess they all can be rejected.
[18:18]  * bdmurray regrets looking up who somebody was
[18:19] <infinity> Someone accepted one without rejecting the rest?  Naughty.
[18:19] <bdmurray> I'll slap their wrist.
[18:20] <infinity> bdmurray: Heh.  Won't have far to go, now that I've looked. :P
[18:20] <bdmurray> Oh that's queue_state 4 not 1
[18:20] <infinity> Hahaha.  Were you looking at the rejected queue? :)
[18:20] <bdmurray> Must be the jet lag.
[18:21] <infinity> I intend to use that excuse from now until Christmas.
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova-lxd (yakkety-proposed/main) [14.0.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 14.1.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (ubuntu-server)
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[18:38] <zul> Can someone reject [ubuntu/xenial-proposed] nova-lxd 13.2.0-0ubuntu1 please?
[18:39] <bdmurray> infinity: I accepted glib2.0 out of the rejected queue but I'm not seeing on the +source page.
[18:39] <bdmurray> zul: doing so
[18:39] <zul> bdmurray: thanks
[18:39] <infinity> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.50.2-2ubuntu1 <-- That one?
[18:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected nova-lxd [source] (xenial-proposed) [13.2.0-0ubuntu1]
[18:40] <infinity> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0 <-- Shown under "latest upload".
[18:40] <bdmurray> infinity: yeah, cool.
[18:40] <infinity> (Won't show in yakkety until it's published)
[18:41] <bdmurray> infinity: got it, thanks.  I was concerned about ubuntu-sru perms and the rejected queue.
[18:42] <infinity> bdmurray: queue permissions aren't fine-grained, there's just a single toggle for "the queue".  You either have it for a pocket or not.
[18:42] <infinity> Well, archive/series/pocket combo, to be precise.
[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova-lxd (xenial-proposed/main) [13.0.0-0ubuntu3.1 => 13.2.0-0ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[20:03] <robru> Can somebody grab the britney config from snakefruit and tell me what STATE_DIR is set to?
[20:51]  * xnox screams Leave BRITNEY alone!!!!!
[20:51] <xnox> that was such a nice troll video
[20:59] <cjwatson> robru: /home/ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/code/b2/britney.conf:STATE_DIR          = data/%(SERIES)/state
[21:05] <pitti> robru: it's the one in git, except for the AMQP password
[21:44] <robru> cjwatson: thanks
[21:45] <robru> xnox: now that you mention it, I've never seen you and Chris Crocker in the same room at the same time. Can you prove that you're actually different people?
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 Wonder why they did that?
[18:13] <OvenWerks> Bug #1567589
[18:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: I do not think that was done on purpose. The older version of qjackctl used the option "Enable D-bus interface" _is_ enabled, but it no longer means "use jackdbus" it now means "allow qjackctl to be controlled vis dbus" there is a new option "Enable JACK D-Bus interface".
[18:16] <OvenWerks> The new option needs to be enabled.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> zequence: even though the indicator now works as expected, I still need to start qjackctl as:
[18:18] <OvenWerks> export XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=Unity; qjackctl
[18:18] <OvenWerks> to get the icon image to show correctly.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> But the main thing is that the indicator menu does work correctly and it is no longer possible to "freeze" the desktop.
[18:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: There must be a reason why Rui would disable that by default
[18:47] <OvenWerks> zequence: ubuntu packaging makes a number of default settings changes in qjackctl. including changing Rui's default of 48k (which is more correct) to 44k1 (which is generally wrong).
[18:51] <OvenWerks> Dmitry says he will fix this.
[19:12] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, but this was not an Ubuntu packaging change. It was upstream, or so I read from the upstream changes
[19:14] <OvenWerks> zequence: when there are upstream changes, the new package is brought into ubuntu and the former patches applied... at least for settings things like this.
[19:15] <zequence> OvenWerks: I am very well aware of the 48kHz vs 44.1kHz settings, but that is not what we are talking about
[19:15] <zequence> We are talking about the dbus settings. Why was it changed upstream? That was my question.
[19:16] <zequence> You seem to be claiming this was changed in the UBuntu packaging
[19:16] <OvenWerks> zequence: to use jackd1, jackd2 or jackdbus is a personal thing. In a case where the system has only jackd1, jackdbus would have to be off to work. But in Ubuntu's case jackdbus is shipped and the pulsejack bridge package depends on the use of jackdbus.
[19:16] <zequence> Still doesn't explain why upstream would change the setting.
[19:16] <zequence> Let me look it up
[19:17] <OvenWerks> upstream changed the _name_ of the setting, not the setting itself.
[19:17] <OvenWerks> upstream changed the name of the setting because it was unclear.
[19:17] <zequence> Ah, it was done in Debian, perhaps
[19:18] <OvenWerks> it is even less clear now because Rui added another dbus option, so Rui changed the name of the settings.
[19:18] <zequence> Or, maybe not. Maybe Dmitry tried to refresh the patch
[19:21] <zequence> Ok, so as you were saying there are two options now, instead of one, and both need to be enabled
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I think so. The problem is that the new option uses the same name as the old and the old one was changed.
[19:23] <zequence> The patch is added in Debian already, so that is the upstream for the patch
[19:24] <OvenWerks> AH, I know ubuntu adds a patch to that too. But that may be different a again I have not looked at it for a while.
[19:24] <zequence> So is the patch for the rate, I noticed
[19:25] <zequence> Ubuntu just copies the source as is from Debian
[19:25] <zequence> THink maybe the patch may have appeard in Ubuntu first, and then added to Debian
[19:30] <OvenWerks> could be. 44.1 is from the pulse team, I think.
[19:30] <zequence> Dmitrys changes will be unique for xenial. Most probably Debian packaging will do something similar later
[19:30] <OvenWerks> won't get changed
[19:30] <OvenWerks> there is still a bug in qt5 they are hoping to get fixed by release or shortly there after.
[20:16] <zequence> We need to build and test the option and give Dmitry and answer, so he can make the proper change
[20:16] <zequence> I'll give it a try
[20:19] <zequence> Ah, right, you already said use both options
[20:19] <OvenWerks> zequence: right, I thought was it would be the same as what it has been in the past.
[20:34] <OvenWerks> zequence: just noticed that my ALSA setting are no longer saved from one boot to the next.
[20:35] <OvenWerks> At first I thought it was just the first time I had used it. but it seems not. (using a d66 but any ice1712 would be the same)
[20:37] <zequence> OvenWerks: That's not fun
[20:38] <OvenWerks> zequence: I don't know what used to do that... but it seems to me we removed something like that... an xfce utility.
[20:39] <OvenWerks> knome: any thoughts about what xubuntu does with this?
[20:39] <knome> let me get back to you in some time, focusing on sth else right now
[20:40] <OvenWerks> zequence: this is somewhat hidden because internal IFs  get set dynamically by Pulse
[20:40] <OvenWerks> knome: no problem no hurry.
[20:54] <zequence> OvenWerks: Sure it's not alsa?
[20:58] <OvenWerks> zequence: not really sure, however, it seems I will not be able to look at it for a bit... one of my drives is failing and I need to move the system over to another drive.
[21:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: it is an alsa call, but I think it is another package that does that call. That is I do not think ALSA does it automatically.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> /usr/sbin/alsa-info.sh has a bug. It does not recognize jackdbus as a running jackd.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> I am not usre what package that is in (or what the CLI command to find out is.
[21:47] <OvenWerks> (it would be a simple patch to the shell to add jack_control status
[22:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: Cool tool
[22:00] <zequence> Didnt' know about that
[22:00] <zequence> IT's doing much of what I was working on for -controls
[22:01] <zequence> Except lots more


[00:17] <user|38> Hello, my installer is crashing. When modifying a partition, it has a 30% chance of crashing with an assertion failure. Setting a "physical volume for encryption" does not create a volume in the UI that I can then put the root filesystem on. If I manually create the LUKS volume in a terminal, and then set that as the root filesystem, the button to
[00:17] <user|38> continue just does nothing.
[00:18] <user|38> I've installed Debian a million times in text mode, usually with LUKS encrypting on the root filesystem, and never had a problem. Is there a way to install kubuntu in text mode?
[00:22] <user|38> Looks like it's this bug from 2015: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1510730
[00:22] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 1510730 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity installer crashes when editing manual crypto partition" [High, Confirmed]
[00:25] <user|38> Guess you people don't care about software quality. This is a critical blocking bug, that makes it completely impossible for me to install, and it's been active for 8 years.
[02:37] <sk8erbnice> hello.
[06:21] <user|48> How do I download vpn on Linux
 there a is a snap called riseup vpn (re @IrcsomeBot: <user|48> How do I download vpn on Linux)
 and look for openvpn as well
[15:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 hi there
[20:14] <user|39> Hi
[20:15] <user|39> I have a lenovo laptop with kubuntu as os
[20:15] <user|39> I'd like to install windows xp and not use kubuntu anymore
[20:15] <user|39> But I can not boot from the windows xp disk
[20:19] <user|39> Hi?
[20:21] <diogenes_Vx15> user|39, nice joke ha ha ha.
[20:24] <user|39> I'm serious


[00:13] <dbritos> Hello
[00:16] <Beryl> I installed 14.04, everything works, but muon/discover is bunny as usual... and so is synaptic. Are there any other package manager GUIS?
[00:20] <roney> there's apper
[00:27] <Beryl> 5 minutes and apper hasn't crashed, amazing
[01:46] <c2tarun> Hi
[01:47] <c2tarun> should I install Kubuntu 12.04 or wait for 14.04? My laptop configuration is 3GB RAM 1GB ATI 5xxx graphic card. I heard that KDE in 14.04 is lighter and faster than KDE in 12.04
[02:07] <Beryl> c2tarun: I'm running 14.04, seems fine so far
[02:07] <Beryl> Open source drivers for 5000 series has improved a lot
[02:08] <c2tarun> Beryl, what wifi card are you using?
[02:08] <Beryl> c2tarun: A shitty Qualcomm Atheros
[02:09] <Beryl> works just as bad on windows
[02:09] <c2tarun> mine is Broadcom (even shittier)
[02:09] <Beryl> Mine was $7 :)
[02:10]  * c2tarun funny thing, my windows 7 show BSOD on very first day of my laptop and since then I am using linux (this was summer of 2011)
[02:10] <c2tarun> Beryl, I think I am going to give it a try :)
[02:10] <c2tarun> thanks
[02:10] <Beryl> c2tarun: let me find link to iso
[02:10] <Beryl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:10] <c2tarun> thanks a lot :)
[02:10] <Beryl> nice and fresh
[05:15] <jay__> can anyone help me set up switchable graphics kubuntu 14.2
[10:35] <Mystery_Man> hey guys
[10:36] <lordievader> Hey Mystery_Man
[10:36] <Mystery_Man> How u doing today?
[10:36] <Mystery_Man> I have a bit of an issue today...switched from ubuntu to kubuntu
[10:36] <lordievader> Mystery_Man: Doing good here, thanks. How about you?
[10:37] <Mystery_Man> using evolution email client
[10:37] <Mystery_Man> good just a bit tired
[10:42] <lordievader> !pm | Mystery_Man
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:09] <yossarianuk> is kde 4.13 still looking like its going to used for 14.04 ?
[11:28] <Riddell> yossarianuk: yes I'm packaging it now
[11:29] <yossarianuk> cool !
[11:29] <yossarianuk> theregister mentioned the wrong version yesterday,,,,
[11:30] <Riddell> shrug, tabloid rag :)
[11:32] <yossarianuk> 4.12 is very nice (using it in kubuntu+arch) 4.13 i'm sure will be that bit better......
[11:34] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, newer isn't always better in my experience :)
[11:34] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: since kde 4.0 every version has been better than the last.
[11:35] <yossarianuk> just that bit more refined.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> frankly yossarianuk I haven't noticed a lot of difference for many versions now, but i'm an ordinary user
[11:38]  * monkeyjuice would not call BluesKaj ordinary ;)
[11:38] <yossarianuk> well in the 4.0 - 4.2 there were a ton of stability fixes.
[11:40] <yossarianuk> since then just little usability improvements - kin perormance improvements in 4.10.
[11:40] <yossarianuk> i.e
[11:40] <yossarianuk> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/09/performance-improvements-in-kwin-4-9-2-and-4-10/
[11:40] <yossarianuk> *kwin*
[11:40] <yossarianuk> hence - every version being better than previous.
[11:41] <yossarianuk> opensource should work that way imo.... personally I would like kubuntu's desktop to be rolling release (on a stable core.)
[11:42] <BluesKaj> that's being considered, or was discussed for a while
[11:47] <yossarianuk> Well I have arch for that I guess.
[11:48] <ikonia> isn't that what the PPA is ?
[11:48] <ikonia> the same kubuntu release + later desktop ?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> arch didn't do much for me despite all the talk about how great it is
[11:54] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: its just a way to have the latest software all the time.
[11:54] <yossarianuk> I found it more stable (and newer packages) than Debian sid...
[11:55] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, that's fine , if you feel the need :)
[11:55] <yossarianuk> When you hear about some new existing package in the opensource world you normally can access that package the same day - with debian yo may have to wait 3 - 6 years.
[11:55] <yossarianuk> kubuntu 6 - 12 month.
[11:56] <yossarianuk> with arch its the same night....
[11:57] <yossarianuk> but anyway i guess that's offtopic...
[12:00] <yossarianuk> although sometimes its actually easier to keep an opensource package up to date on windows than it is on some distros (ubuntu/kubuntu included.) and that is wrong...
[12:00] <yossarianuk> (not that I use windows)
[12:05] <dougl> morning BluesKaj you around?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> windows has it's uses, and virtualbox works well on this laptop at least because of it's larger memory and cpu. My older desktop can barely handle windows 7 on partition , let alone in a vm.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hey dougl, what's shakin'
[12:09] <lordievader> Ah dougl, a reply to the problem you had yesterday: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[12:09] <dougl> Hey BluesKaj was looking to config 14.04 with static ip but was not asking my question properly and in the wrong channel etc - was wondering if you had new perspective...
[12:10] <lordievader> dougl: See ^for setting up a static ip.
[12:11] <dougl> and everything that is suggested and tried does not work
[12:12] <dougl> lordievader, when I do that nothing works
[12:12] <lordievader> dougl: That is strange. It never failed for me.
[12:12] <lordievader> dougl: Do you get errors?
[12:13] <dougl> no
[12:14] <dougl> no errors
[12:15] <lordievader> dougl: Can you ping your gateway after you've set a static ip?
[12:15] <dougl> lordievader, sec...
[12:17] <BluesKaj> dougl, this the method I used, it's abit dated , but when you get to the /etc/resolv.conf settings the path changes to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base, that\s where the nameserver and gateway settings need to be located
[12:17] <BluesKaj> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[12:21] <BluesKaj> dougl, another point, get rid of NM and it's config file or you'll have problems , unless there's a workaround I'm unaware of
[12:22] <dougl> BluesKaj, err ok...
[12:22] <dougl> lordievader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073200/ is my interfaces file can you take a peek for me please?/
[12:22] <BluesKaj> NM tries to overwrite resolv.conf
[12:23] <dougl> BluesKaj, and I don't know how to start the network after that so I reinstalled 14.04 for the 5th time to fix it.
[12:24] <dougl> apparently there is supposed to be some NM gui but I cannot find it...
[12:25] <lordievader> dougl: I usually define a network and a broadcast address too.
[12:25] <lordievader> dougl: Can you ping the gateway?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> dougl, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:26] <dougl> I did not restart yet lordievader can you tell me how to define a network and add a broadcast address?
[12:27] <dougl> lordievader, nm
[12:28] <lordievader> dougl: This is how I've defined one of my bridge nics: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073229/
[12:29] <BluesKaj> I'd like to stay, but I have to go out for a few hrs ... BBL
[12:30] <dougl> later thanks
[12:30] <lordievader> dougl: Anyhow can you ping your gateway?
[12:31] <dougl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7073234/
[12:31] <dougl> there is my interfaces = does it look ok... pinging now
[12:31] <dougl> checjking
[12:33] <dougl> lordievader, saved that file and yes I can ping my gateway with but my ip has not changed
[12:33] <lordievader> dougl: Ok, run the command BluesKaj gave you.
[12:34] <dougl> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:34] <dougl> ERROR: Calling a sysvinit script on a system using upstart isn't supported. Please use the 'service' command instead.
[12:35] <dougl> and this is where I reinstalled
[12:35] <dougl> after doing it oldschool
[12:37] <lordievader> dougl: sudo service networking restart
[12:44] <dougl> So lordievader I assume this is/was step one of 500 to get a static ip and no I cannot ping the gateway
[12:44] <lordievader> dougl: Hmm, interesting, can you post the output of "sudo route
[12:44] <lordievader> ""
[12:44] <dougl> no
[12:45] <dougl> I have no access to the machine now there is not network
[12:45] <lordievader> dougl: You where doing this remotely? Ai. That is usually not a good idea.
[12:46] <dougl> just downstairs
[12:47] <dougl> but regardless without  a network connection I doubt if I could post the output of sudo route
[12:48] <lordievader> Hmm true. But it would tell you/me if there is a route to the gateway.
[12:48] <dougl> ok will check
[12:50] <dougl> kernel routing table appears to be empty but I have never seen any other so would not really know
[12:51] <lordievader> dougl: Completely empty is strange.
[12:52] <dougl> so I ask again - is it possible to manually config ip on 14.04 without the manned mission to mars?
[12:53] <lordievader> dougl: Anyhow in your case it is probably "sudo route add -net <IP_ADDRESS>/24 gw <IP_ADDRESS> dev eth0"
[12:53] <dougl> I think this
[12:53] <lordievader> dougl: Usually it is no more than editing /etc/network/interfaces. That has worked for me, in Trusty too.
[12:53] <dougl> lordievader, that survives a boot?
[12:54] <lordievader> dougl: Yes.
[12:54] <lordievader> I'm not really sure why it doesn't work in your case.
[12:56] <dougl> lordievader, only cuz I been waiting for this since 12.04
[12:57] <dougl> anyway that command did not work errors = ...
[12:57] <dougl> network is unreachable
[12:57] <lordievader> dougl: Do you have an entry in the routing table for the gateway and the network?
[12:58] <dougl> what routing table?
[12:59] <lordievader> dougl: sudo route
[13:00] <dougl> empty
[13:00] <lordievader> dougl: Still?
[13:01] <dougl> still
[13:03] <lordievader> dougl: Hmm, that is strange. Sadly I don't have time right now to dig deeper into it on how to solve it. But I do expect that if the routing table is fixed the problem is gone. (It might even be that a reboot will work here).
[13:03] <dougl> reboot = nothing ...
[13:04] <lordievader> dougl: Really strange that the routing table isn't populated.
[13:04] <dougl> no network
[13:05] <dougl> cant populate when I have no network
[13:05] <dougl> nothing that need the network can be done without the network
[13:08] <lordievader> As I understand it, the routing table (sudo route) is populated with the info from either dhcp or from /etc/network/interfaces.
[13:10] <dougl> LOL - as I understand it static ip took 15 minutes 10 years ago... now it takes hours, progress :)
[13:35] <dougl> apachelogger, ok thanks for the help my ip is working now and I can use my local network but I have no dns working - is that a 10 second fix ... LOL
[13:36] <ikonia> set your dns resolvers then ?
[13:36] <ikonia> check if they are populated to start with ?
[13:38] <dougl> ikonia, where do I do that?
[13:40] <ikonia> how did you set your network card up, what tool did you use ?
[13:41] <dougl> the networkish looking thing in the sys tray
[13:41] <pietro10> Hi. On a fresh install, when my laptop wakes up from sleep, X11 crashes in such a way that if it does restart, KDE startup freezes on login and I have to reboot to get back in. Is there a way I can diagnose this?
[13:42] <dougl> ikonia, the networkish looking thing in the sys tray
[13:43] <ikonia> dougl: that should have set the dns servers up, in that tool are the dns servers populated ?
[13:43] <dougl> the ones I put in there yes
[13:43] <ikonia> ok, so can you use them ?
[13:44] <dougl> yes
[13:45] <dougl> no cannot use them see them i THOT u asked lol
[13:45] <ikonia> sorry I'll clarify
[13:46] <ikonia> "can you use them to do ip->name resolution or name->ip resolution"
[13:48] <dougl> ikonia, for what ever reason it needed a reboot and all is find now... must have had the 14.04 box too close to the windows machine - lol
[13:48] <dougl> fine
[14:26] <pietro10> ok how about a differnet issue
[14:26] <pietro10> after a recent update, bash tab completion does not work properly, and I can't find the speicif cway it is broken in a google search:
[14:26] <pietro10> - starting with ~/ does not complete filenames, only directory names
[14:26] <pietro10> - sometimes, relative paths don't complete filenames as well
[14:27] <pietro10> - X= -l (tab) causes bash-completion to throw up a syntax error alert
[14:27] <pietro10> I tried killing /etc/bash_completion.d but to no avail - whatt else could hav ehappened? Thanks.
[14:46] <luky> ciao
[15:13] <pietro10> Hi. I have a problem with bash completion: http://pastie.org/8907571 (full question in paste link); can anyone help? Thanks.
[15:41] <AndChat|268400> You may want to consider loading a distro onto a vm to see if you like it beforehand.
[15:42] <AndChat|268400> Sorry wrong channel
[18:33] <pietro10> oh there's a bash-completion update now; let's hope this fixes everything
[20:41] <marino> boas pessoal
[20:49] <xjie6ope3ka> hi i'm experiencing issue with blacklist, i have blacklisted radeon driver but after reboot my gpu still in use by radeon driver and thats couse troubles because i can detach it, and reasing it to VM. it used to work in 12.04 LTS, but i decided to update my system and now it desn't work and i don't know what to do. can anyone help me?
[22:12] <windows> hi
[22:16] <windows> I use kubuntu 13.10 and after one week of using plasma panel starts to be crazy it slow down my laptop to the maximum its hard to move mouse  any help ????
[22:24] <rosco_y> what are the default video drivers used with ubuntu 13.10?
[22:25] <rosco_y> I'm thinking of trying the native drivers for my NVIDIA card, but I want to be able to revert to these default drivers if it doesn't work out for me.
[22:29] <windows> I also have inteeeel when this happen
[22:29] <windows> but if I switch to gforce wil it goes down
[22:45] <gomiboy> rosco_y: if by "native" you mean the proprietary nvidia drivers, there is no problem: install them, reboot and test. Remove them and you are back to the default. Btw nvidia binary drivers always work (if you have a GPU not older than 10 years or so, that is :)
[23:00] <rosco_y> gomiboy: ty--I used to have trouble with the dual panel settings with the native drivers--the ones installed with ubuntu work great for me
[23:31] <Cyb3rAssasin> oi


[11:16] <GillesMM> I have problems to configure preseed for keyboard .. I got the window asking me the conf .. idea?
[15:42] <ev> cjwatson: thanks for the review.  It's RT 46755
[15:42] <cjwatson> saw, thanks
[15:43] <ev> I've also talked to James and warned him of the impending slightly growth across architectures and releases
[15:44] <ev> oh and I've finally pushed the pygi branch to LP: lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/pygi
[15:44] <ev> not everything works yet, and I still have quite a few local changes to sort through
[15:44] <ev> but it's tantalisingly close
[15:45] <ev> just the manual partitioning page (save segmentedbar, which is now ready), a unicode issue, and the timezone map to finish sorting
[15:56] <superm1> ev, did the gtk terminal widget get converted too by now, or did you just drop it?  I seem to remember that being a problem in natty when i started to convert something to pygi
[15:57] <ev> I did convert it, but I can't recall if it's properly working yet
[15:57] <ev> added a note to have a look at that next
[22:17] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4769 trunk/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[22:17] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Add --config=Mode:0644 to debconf-copydb call, as otherwise we leave
[22:17] <CIA-37> ubiquity: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat mode 0600 in the installed system,
[22:17] <CIA-37> ubiquity: breaking the first run of some package management frontends
[22:17] <CIA-37> ubiquity: (LP: #442941).
[22:23] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4770 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[22:23] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup
[22:23] <CIA-37> ubiquity: 1.57ubuntu21, flash-kernel 2.28ubuntu26.
[22:25] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4125 lucid-proposed/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[22:25] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Add --config=Mode:0644 to debconf-copydb call, as otherwise we leave
[22:25] <CIA-37> ubiquity: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat mode 0600 in the installed system,
[22:25] <CIA-37> ubiquity: breaking the first run of some package management frontends
[22:25] <CIA-37> ubiquity: (LP: #442941).
[22:28] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4771 trunk/debian/ (changelog rules): Provide build-arch and build-indep debian/rules targets.
[22:30] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4126 lucid-proposed/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[22:30] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[22:30] <CIA-37> ubiquity: 1.49ubuntu11.1, netcfg 1.51ubuntu3, partman-base 139ubuntu7.
[22:31] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4772 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.7.11
[22:35] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4127 lucid-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.26
[22:39] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4419 maverick-proposed/d-i/sources.list: include maverick-updates in sources.list
[22:40] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4420 maverick-proposed/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[22:40] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Add --config=Mode:0644 to debconf-copydb call, as otherwise we leave
[22:40] <CIA-37> ubiquity: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat mode 0600 in the installed system,
[22:40] <CIA-37> ubiquity: breaking the first run of some package management frontends
[22:40] <CIA-37> ubiquity: (LP: #442941).
[22:45] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4421 maverick-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.4.9
[22:53] <CIA-37> netcfg: cjwatson * r1257 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog netcfg-common.c):
[22:53] <CIA-37> netcfg: Free domain_nodot at the end of netcfg_write_common (thanks, Bryce
[22:53] <CIA-37> netcfg: Harrington; LP: #724636).
[22:55] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4720 natty-proposed/d-i/sources.list: include natty-updates in sources.list
[22:56] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4721 natty-proposed/ (bin/ubiquity debian/changelog):
[22:56] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Add --config=Mode:0644 to debconf-copydb call, as otherwise we leave
[22:56] <CIA-37> ubiquity: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat mode 0600 in the installed system,
[22:56] <CIA-37> ubiquity: breaking the first run of some package management frontends
[22:56] <CIA-37> ubiquity: (LP: #442941).
[22:59] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4722 natty-proposed/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): Automatic update of included source packages: partman-auto 93ubuntu16.
[23:02] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4723 natty-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.6.11