[00:04] <robert_ancell> jbicha, yay
[06:20] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:21] <jibel> good morning oSoMoN
[06:25] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, ça va?
[06:27] <Nafallo> morning :-)
[06:30] <oSoMoN> good morning Nafallo
[06:34] <jibel> oSoMoN, ça va bien et toi?
[06:34] <oSoMoN> un peu enrhumé, mais à part ça bien
[06:37] <didrocks> good morning
[06:39] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[06:39] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[06:50] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:51] <Nafallo> where's duflu? ;-)
[06:51] <Nafallo> :-) even
[06:51] <Nafallo> I wrote it three times, and still sent the wrong smiley :-/
[06:52] <didrocks> hey Nafallo!
[06:53] <didrocks> dufu is back on Wednesday IIRC
[06:53] <Nafallo> alright. wanted to see where we stand with that annoying shift-for-the-first-character password bug :-)
[06:54] <Nafallo> I have a strong feeling it's imparing my sudo now :-P
[06:55] <Nafallo> either that or I need a lot more coffee.
[06:55] <Nafallo> ...or both...
[07:42] <willcooke> morning all
[07:43] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:43] <willcooke> user support question:  I had to install php on my server lat night, but it turns out that I need php5, which isn't in Bionic
[07:43] <willcooke> so I found a ppa
[07:43] <willcooke> But first I have to uninstall all the php7 stuff
[07:43] <willcooke> if I apt remove php, it leaves behind loads of other bits and bobs
[07:44] <willcooke> how do I easily remove all of those?
[07:44]  * didrocks urges to tell "user questions -> #ubuntu" and then remember in extremis that willcooke is his boss of his boss :p phew!
[07:45] <didrocks> I guess apt autoremove --purge gives nothing?
[07:45] <willcooke> I know, total abuse of power :)
[07:45] <didrocks> isn't it? ;)
[07:45] <didrocks> (and also… first… php???)
[07:45] <willcooke> IKR
[07:45] <willcooke> it makes me sad
[07:45] <didrocks> I hope it does :p
[07:45] <didrocks> so autoremove -> nothing?
[07:45] <willcooke> so yeah, autoremove doesn't do anything
[07:45] <willcooke> I was thinking apt remove php*
[07:46] <didrocks> I guess it's part of the default server install, so mark as installed manually…
[07:46] <didrocks> hum, well… you will miss libphp*
[07:46] <didrocks> and maybe others
[07:46]  * willcooke considers reinstalling
[07:47] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:47] <didrocks> I wonder with tasksel
[07:47] <seb128> willcooke, "I need php5" sounds like the part you need to revisit :)
[07:47] <didrocks> willcooke: you did install php7.2 manually or was that part of the base install?
[07:48] <didrocks> because if you did that at some point, you can look at your apt installer logs
[07:48] <didrocks> and see the list, then remove, ensuring it doesn't remove php5
[07:48] <didrocks> seb128: I would say the same nowdays, but even without the 5 ;)
[07:49] <didrocks> or have you installed lamp-server tasks directly, which pulled php 7.2?
[07:49] <willcooke> seb128, lol
[07:49] <willcooke> I just apt installed it
[07:49] <didrocks> ah, good then
[07:49] <didrocks> look at the logs
[07:49] <didrocks> /var/log/apt/history.log
[07:50] <didrocks> search from the line where you installed php, and you have the line of things to remove
[07:50] <didrocks> ensuring it doesn't remove php5 ofc
[07:50] <willcooke> kk
[07:50] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[07:50] <didrocks> yw!
[07:50] <didrocks> remember that you those are size limited
[07:50] <didrocks> and then rolled out in history.log.1.gz, history.log.2.gz…
[08:02] <Laney> HEY!
[08:05] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:14] <Laney> my laptop's doing something weird
[08:14]  * Laney is on the PC now
[08:14] <Laney> i'm alright thanks!
[08:18] <Laney> ah Xwayland crashed
[08:19] <seb128> :/
[08:20] <Laney> hmm no this is weird, that happened much later
[08:20] <Laney> and logind and loads of other stuff died too
[08:21] <Laney> seems it hibernated due to low battery
[08:21] <Laney> systemd[1]: Starting Hybrid Suspend+Hibernate...
[08:21] <Laney> but then when it came back
[08:21] <Laney> May 15 09:13:01 nightingale systemd-coredump[17049]: Process 6329 (systemd-logind) of user 100000 dumped core.
[08:34] <willcooke> is new windows opening at the bottom of the stack a bug or a feature?
[08:35] <willcooke> e.g. I very often get the message that such-and-such is ready, but the window never opens at the top
[08:35] <willcooke> so I have to go and find it
[08:38] <seb128> depends what you are doing
[08:38] <seb128> if you are typing it might be the focus-stealing-prevention
[08:38] <willcooke> ah, could be
[08:38] <willcooke> I'll watch and see
[08:38] <seb128> thx
[08:38] <willcooke> (it's bloody annoying)
[08:38] <seb128> is that always with the same app?
[08:39] <seb128> also how do you open the thing that goes to the bg?
[08:39] <willcooke> no, different ones
[08:39] <willcooke> oh, it /could/ be that they are snaps
[08:39] <seb128> is that always when started from a command line?
[08:39] <willcooke> I'll get some data
[08:39] <seb128> thx
[08:39] <willcooke> In other news... "search domains" has been removed from settings and in to nm-connection-editor
[08:41] <seb128> I don't think I ever used a search domain
[08:41] <willcooke> which is probably why they removed it
[08:41] <seb128> or is that the way to specify a DNS server?
[08:41] <willcooke> nah, it's if your local dns server expects FQDN
[08:42] <willcooke> i.e. I can't ping "mycomputername"
[08:42] <willcooke> but I can ping "mycomputername.mydomain"
[08:42] <seb128> .local? ;)
[08:42] <willcooke> .local is evil
[08:42] <willcooke> :)
[08:44] <seb128> willcooke, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744079 ... a few users share your concerns, upstream doesn't seem to care enough to have replied
[08:46] <willcooke> nm-connection-editor does the job, I guess things will gradually migrate in to settings over time
[08:49] <seb128> right, it they belive it to be useful to "common" users
[08:49] <seb128> let's see
[11:24]  * Laney is figuring out gdm bit by bit
[11:24] <Laney> it's like untangling a bowl of spaghetti
[11:25]  * xnox pictures Laney tossing a bowl of spaghetti against a whiteboard to see what sticks, for it to simply start hovering in the air in the same of a moster
[11:25] <Laney> it's a tasty metaphor
[11:27] <willcooke> :)
[11:28] <seb128> speaking of which, I saw that you and Trevinho have been working hard on the refcount/failed login issue
[11:29] <seb128> Laney, is that the one you are looking atm, or doing the systemd session thing?
[11:29] <Laney> second one
[11:29] <seb128> k
[11:29] <seb128> the ref issue seems stalled, who is "owning" it at this point?
[11:29] <Laney> waiting for a review
[11:29] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ you commented last, do that require halfline to review next?
[11:30] <seb128> is 'needinfo' the right bug status?
[11:30] <seb128> also, is he at the performance hackfest? ;)
[12:35] <Trevinho> seb128, Laney: reviews and things are coming
[12:35] <Trevinho> 21:55:58 <halfline> Trevinho: so i spent some time today looking at your bug and put this branch together: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/log/?h=wip/weak-ref-removal
[12:37] <seb128> Trevinho, great!
[13:08] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, please push your packaging branches
[13:27] <willcooke> hm, no calendar notifications today
[13:28] <Nafallo> I got mine ;-)
[13:28] <Nafallo> outlook though :-P
[13:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-05-15
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue May 15 13:30:28 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:30] <didrocks> hey
[13:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (out), dgadomski (out), didrocks, duflu (hols), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter (out), trevinho (out?), robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <jbicha> o/
[13:30] <jibel> hi
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/
[13:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[13:31] <seb128> hey
[13:32] <willcooke> I think we have enough people to get started
[13:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[13:32] <willcooke> 1. Merged upstream fix for LP: #1759468
[13:32] <willcooke> 2. Port gnome-software SSO design in software-properties (ready for review)
[13:32] <willcooke> 3. Fixed LP: #1766694 (Merged "upstream", needs upload in cosmic and in bionic)
[13:32] <willcooke> 4. Fix proposed for LP: #1770686
[13:32] <willcooke> 5. WIP: Add support to HTTP over Unix Sockets to libsoup
[13:32] <willcooke> 6. WIP: LP: #1770694
[13:32] <willcooke> 7. WIP: Use SSO in gnome-software for snap purchases
[13:32] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:33] <didrocks> 3 days week (2 days off)
[13:33] <didrocks> * Communitheme:
[13:33] <didrocks>   - Fix double indicators for dropbox and others in electron for communitheme session (+ some reviews and other implementations): https://github.com/electron/electron/pull/12844. Waiting for another review.
[13:33] <ubot5-ng> electron bug (Pull request) 12844 in electron "fix: support multiple inherited ubuntu session for indicators" (comments: 2) [Bug :Beetle:, Platform/Linux/Ubuntu, Target/2-0-X, Open]
[13:33] <didrocks>   - Lots of discussion over the hub, bugs or privately with the communitheme core team on decisions to take.
[13:33] <didrocks>   - Still waiting for a classic snap allowance for communitheme-set-default: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/classic-confinement-request-communitheme-set-default/5146
[13:33] <didrocks> * Telemetry:
[13:33] <didrocks>   - reviewed and some typo fixes (spaces): https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/ubuntu-release-upgrader/add_telemetry/+merge/345088. Waiting for another review.
[13:33] <didrocks> * Snapd:
[13:33] <didrocks>   - finally got a review on multiple PATH being inserted in some sessions. Made a change to account for comments. https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5075. Waiting for another review.
[13:33] <ubot5-ng> snapcore bug (Pull request) 5075 in snapd "snap/env: fix env duplication logic" (comments: 2) [Simple, Open]
[13:33] <didrocks> * Misc:
[13:33] <didrocks>   - Ubuntu dock trash icon and device feature PR review and feedbacks + discussed with upstream about some proposed and specific to Ubuntu Dock optimizations.
[13:33] <didrocks>   - Fix byobu GNOME Shell application matching: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/byobu/gnome-shell-app-detect/+merge/345291. Waiting for a review.
[13:33] <didrocks>   - Guadec: provided some extract for a submission, voting on talks
[13:33] <didrocks>   - GNOME board: travel committee discussions and other GNOME board activities…
[13:33] <didrocks> .
[13:34] <willcooke> Dustin will be happy, thanks Didrocks!
[13:34] <didrocks> I hope he will :)
[13:36] <seb128> did I disconnect?
[13:36] <seb128> $ping channel? :p
[13:36] <Laney> no
[13:36] <kenvandine> seb128, no
[13:36] <jibel> seb128, pong
[13:36] <seb128> k, seems willcooke is lagging
[13:37] <seb128> he's the only chair, we can't move ahead without screwing the bot/log/topics
[13:37] <seb128> #chair seb128
[13:38] <seb128> I guess that doesn't work
[13:38] <didrocks> doesn't look like it does…
[13:38] <seb128> #stupidbot
[13:38] <kenvandine> :)
[13:38] <seb128> k, screw the topics then
[13:39] <seb128> let's move on and record the meeting under didrocks' activity log :)
[13:39] <didrocks> \o/
[13:39] <kenvandine> lol
[13:39] <kenvandine> didrocks ftw
[13:39] <seb128> duflu is off and I don't think he sent a status update
[13:39] <seb128> #topic jbicha
[13:39] <seb128> jibel, your turn
[13:39] <jbicha> • Change build option to enable New Tab in GNOME Terminal LP: #1747171
[13:40] <jbicha> • Got Ubuntu Studio cosmic daily ISOs building again by temporarily dropping mypaint from their seed/metapackage. See Debian bug 894757
[13:40] <jbicha> • Filed MIRs for tracker LP: #1770877 LP: #1770874 LP: #1770871
[13:40] <jbicha> • Major libcue packaging update as part of the tracker MIRs
[13:40] <jbicha> • Synced gnome-shell-extension-appindicator from Debian
[13:40] <jbicha> • More GNOME 3.28.2 packaging and some 18.04 SRUs
[13:40] <jbicha> • Several gnome-control-center fixes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.28.1-0ubuntu2
[13:40] <jbicha> 👩👦
[13:40] <willcooke> I'm back
[13:40] <seb128> thanks jbicha
[13:40] <willcooke> for now
[13:40] <seb128> willcooke, wb
[13:40] <willcooke> thanks seb128 jbicha
[13:40] <seb128> k, well I couldn't change the topic
[13:40] <willcooke> kk
[13:40] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[13:41] <willcooke> snapd/portals:
[13:41] <willcooke>  - Ran end-to-end tests for file open/save operations using portals,
[13:41] <willcooke> and wrote up results here:
[13:41] <willcooke> https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapd-support-for-xdg-desktop-portal/161/9?u=jamesh
[13:41] <willcooke>  - The PR has two approvals, so hopefully we can get it merged soon:
[13:41] <willcooke> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5115
[13:41] <ubot5-ng> snapcore bug (Pull request) 5115 in snapd "interfaces: add xdg-document-portal support to desktop interface" (comments: 4) [Open]
[13:41] <willcooke>  - Still up in the air is how to auto-start xdg-document-portal: can't
[13:41] <willcooke> rely on confined app starting it on demand because we want it's mount
[13:41] <willcooke> point available while snap-confine is running.  I talked to zyga,
[13:41] <willcooke> about the best way to proceed: either have "snap run" activate it, or
[13:41] <willcooke> have "snap userd" do it if we are certain "snap run" will launch
[13:41] <willcooke> userd.
[13:41] <willcooke>  - While doing the testing, I noticed xdg-desktop-portal-gtk (the
[13:41] <willcooke> service GUI operations are delegated to) was failing on Wayland.  It
[13:41] <willcooke> looks like the wayland socket connection is being shut down from the
[13:41] <willcooke> other end for some reason I haven't yet tracked down.  Not a problem
[13:41] <willcooke> for our default 18.04 install, but it'd be good to discover the root
[13:41] <willcooke> cause.
[13:41] <willcooke>  - Some portals like notifications are not functional due to desktop
[13:41] <willcooke> file ID mismatches.  Fixing this will probably require an
[13:41] <willcooke> xdg-desktop-portal change, probably with a "snap" command to provide
[13:41] <willcooke> the needed metadata.  We still have a large amount of functionality
[13:41] <willcooke> working with current xdg-desktop-portal upstream though.
[13:41] <willcooke> snapd/evolution-data-server:
[13:41] <willcooke>  - I'm adapting some of the EDS address book example code into some
[13:41] <willcooke> utilities I can put into a test snap to write spread tests for Ken's
[13:41] <willcooke> EDS snapd interfaces.  When I've got that basically working, I'll see
[13:41] <willcooke> if I can adapt it to test the calendar backend too.
[13:42] <willcooke>  - Once the tests are in place, I'll push through a PR to get the new
[13:42] <willcooke> interfaces in snapd master.
[13:42] <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
[13:42] <jibel> hi
[13:42] <jibel> - Post release installer and upgrade bug triaging:
[13:42] <jibel>   - Main issues with the installer:
[13:42] <jibel>     - Performing a EFI installation on top of an existing legacy installation
[13:42] <jibel>     - Installer crash when there is an existing installation with an encrypted home (bug 1767799)
[13:42] <jibel>   - Main issue with upgrades:
[13:42] <jibel>     - Triggers loop during upgrade
[13:42] <jibel> - Enabling automated tests for Cosmic.
[13:42] <jibel> eof
[13:42] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[13:43] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[13:43] <kenvandine> * Found the simple-scan classic snap was crashing on launch, spent some time fixing that.
[13:43] <kenvandine> * Attempted to update gnome-calendar and gnome-contacts classic snaps to latest upstream versions and found missing dep on libdazzle from our backport.  Getting an appropriate version of libdazzle building on the gnome-3-26 backport seems problematic, we should probably just wait for 18.04 builds.
[13:43] <kenvandine> * Sponsored SRU for latest flatpak release to bionic
[13:43] <kenvandine> * Prepared "Preview" version of the desktop-preinstalled hyperv image for publishing in the gallery
[13:43] <kenvandine> ⚾
[13:44] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[13:44] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[13:45] <Laney> • started again on systemd --user work, first new task is to figure out how to make GDM work in this scenario, so spending some time studying its code, this is me for the next few weeks
[13:45] <Laney> • did a bit of documenting / discussing around the git workflow
[13:45] <Laney> • got pinged about a debhelper bug in bionic by Niels, SRUed that
[13:45] <Laney> • Followed inf_inity's advice on #1768541 (rls bug) and uploaded a fix, also to cosmic
[13:45] <Laney> • autopkgtest - amqp went down which broke most things, worked to recover it. It turns out that we had tons of kernel updates piled up on the system which eventually ran it out of space, at which point rabbitmq was very unhappy. After that I spent some time checking all the other machines weren't going to die in the same way.
[13:45] <Laney> ∘ rbalint is trying to SRU a new version of unattended-upgrades which autoremoves kernels 👍
[13:45] <Laney> • some work on the gdm login bug I think, or was that last week?
[13:45] <Laney> 🌻 in honour of my "sunzilla" seedlings which are looking strong 🎸
[13:46] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[13:46] <willcooke> #topic oSoMoN
[13:46] <oSoMoN> hey
[13:46] <oSoMoN> • firefox
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461363
[13:46] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ still working on a snap built from source
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ reached out to security team and commercial stakeholders to confirm that it's okay to stop pushing updates for chromium on trusty, and focus on the snap instead, then posted a public announcement: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/chromium-updates-on-trusty/5905
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated stable channel to 66.0.3359.139 then 66.0.3359.170
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated beta channel to 67.0.3396.40
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated dev channel to 68.0.3423.2
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed and fixed bug #1771162
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ added removable-media plug (bug #1769495)
[13:46] <seb128> (bah, was typing something for Laney, missed my chance, going back to that in aob)
[13:46] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ promoted <IP_ADDRESS> snap to stable channel
[13:46] <oSoMoN> • other
[13:46] <oSoMoN>   ∘ filed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898646 which got fixed right away
[13:46] <oSoMoN> 🍃
[13:47] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN
[13:47] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[13:47] <seb128> • one week off work, that was nice
[13:47] <seb128> • back since yesterday, mostly spend the day catching up with emails/trello board/new cycle planning
[13:47] <seb128> • looked a bit at the hyperv image to help Ken with some issues

[13:47] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:48] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[13:48] <willcooke> - Land gnome-initial-setup translatable Ubuntu changes page + other small fixes
[13:48] <willcooke> - Confirmed gnome-initial-setup 3.28.0-2ubuntu6.1 SRU bugs
[13:48] <willcooke> - Investigated Snap support in BuildStream
[13:48] <willcooke> - Chasing down a PackageKit / debconf crasher in GNOME Software (LP: #1722185)
[13:48] <willcooke> - Attended GNOME Stakeholders meeting
[13:48] <willcooke> #topic people who might be here or might not
[13:48] <willcooke> Trevinho are you around for the meeting? I assume not
[13:48] <willcooke> Till isn't
[13:49] <willcooke> timeout in 30 seconds
[13:49] <willcooke> #topic rls bugs
[13:50] <willcooke> Ok, let's go through the bugs which have been tagged for B
[13:50] <willcooke> aaaand I've lost the link, Laney do you have it to hand?
[13:50] <willcooke> Ah,
[13:50] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:50] <Laney> zat iz ze badger
[13:51] <seb128> not a lot of tagging happened it seems :/
[13:51] <willcooke> Hm, I think we have bugs missing for that list
[13:51] <willcooke> let's review what is there, and then let's get that list updated
[13:51] <seb128> yeah, sorry, I meant to review things but I've just been too busy since yesterday
[13:51] <willcooke> 1st up:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1765724
[13:51] <jbicha> now that cosmic opened, I just target bugs for bionic directly, so -tracking- instead of -incoming-
[13:52] <Laney> that's OK if you are uploading the fix
[13:52] <Laney> if you want to suggest someone works on it, not so much
[13:53] <willcooke> yeah, lets use incoming for now
[13:53] <jbicha> Triaged means that someone should feel free to work on it, In Progress means the fix is already in unapproved queue
[13:53] <seb128> 51 o tracking
[13:53] <seb128> DOH
[13:53] <willcooke> Let's review that tracking list off line
[13:54] <Laney> oh come on, don't mess around with the process please :/
[13:54] <Laney> anyway, jibel's bug, what do you think?
[13:54] <willcooke> Is it a foundations issue?
[13:54] <seb128> xnox's asked questions and seemed to be looking at it
[13:54] <seb128> also what willcooke said
[13:54] <Laney> no
[13:54] <seb128> no?
[13:54] <Laney> look at the tasks, those are invalid
[13:54] <willcooke> ah
[13:55] <seb128> I don't understand why
[13:55] <Laney> looks like he looked at logs and decided it was something on the session side
[13:55] <Laney> if you want to argue, skip considering it?
[13:56] <willcooke> needs more investigation I think, who can look at that?
[13:57] <seb128> xnox, could you write on bug #1765724 which you think it's a gnome-shell issue?
[13:57] <willcooke> k, we can either talk about that some more here in a mo, or come back to it next week
[13:57] <willcooke> what do you want to do about the tracking bugs?  Go through them here and now?
[13:57] <seb128> I would remove it from the list at this point
[13:57] <seb128> it's not clear it's an important issue
[13:58] <willcooke> seb128, let's see what x_nox says and then Ill tidy it up
[13:58] <seb128> it has no other reporters/duplicates
[13:58] <seb128> k
[13:58] <seb128> it's impossible to clean the tracking list
[13:58] <seb128> that's a mix of SRU uploaded and other things
[13:58] <seb128> we should really gate the review on -incoming
[13:58] <seb128> jbicha, ^ please stick to the defined process
[13:59] <jbicha> where is this defined
[13:59] <xnox> seb128, in a call now; will do in a bit.
[13:59] <seb128> xnox, thx
[13:59] <willcooke> ok, so for next week let's get the bugs we know about and are working on tagged so that we can review them next time
[13:59] <seb128> jbicha, that's a fair point, but not an useful reply at the same time
[13:59] <jbicha> for instance, is there anything wrong with how I filed bug 1769637 except for the part where I didn't get around to actually uploading to bionic?
[14:00] <willcooke> lets talk process after the meeting
[14:00] <seb128> no, and if you are working on it the nomination is fine
[14:00] <seb128> k
[14:00] <jbicha> I don't think I need to ask permission first before targeting to bionic…
[14:00] <Laney> If you want to work on it, you can assign it to yourself
[14:00] <Laney> I don't think there's anything wrong with nominating in that situation
[14:00] <willcooke> anything else meeting wise?
[14:00] <seb128> #aob?
[14:00] <Laney> but for things that other people are going to work on, use incoming
[14:00] <jbicha> what if I'm not working on it like bug 1768555?
[14:00] <willcooke> #topic aob
[14:00] <Laney> use incoming, and we can decide to assign someone or not
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, you wrote " • did a bit of documenting / discussing around the git workflow"
[14:01] <Laney> I did
[14:01] <seb128> I know you wrote about that on the hub, but might be worth sharing the URL here?
[14:01] <Laney> to the hub post?
[14:01] <jbicha> ok, I can do that but I'm pretty sure that's a difference process than we had been using for SRUs, anyway, I can adapt to change :)
[14:01] <seb128> or the wiki you used
[14:02] <Laney> https://community.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-deb-packages-migration-to-git/5746/4
[14:02] <seb128> thx
[14:02] <Laney> does that go to a specific post?
[14:02] <seb128> just making it easy for people to go and read it :)
[14:02] <Laney> maybe remove the last bit
[14:02] <Laney> ok
[14:02] <seb128> thx Laney
[14:02] <willcooke> any more for any more?
[14:02] <jbicha> https://trello.com/c/R7JSYTT8/45-use-ubuntu-langpacks-for-gnome-universe
[14:03] <seb128> jbicha, I +1ed to use them for universe
[14:03] <seb128> if nobody objects I think we should just do it
[14:03] <jbicha> everyone else fine with that?
[14:03] <Laney> didn't we want to try to reduce the iso size?
[14:04] <seb128> good point
[14:04] <seb128> let me have a look to the size diff
[14:04] <seb128> I believe that most of those .mo are small
[14:04] <Laney> it's probably not that much in this case
[14:04] <Laney> but you know...
[14:04] <Laney> s/this/each/
[14:04] <seb128> right
[14:04] <seb128> and we probably don't patch those apps
[14:05] <seb128> at least not to add Ubuntu specific strings
[14:05] <jbicha> right
[14:05] <seb128> jbicha, do you have a list of packages we are talking about?
[14:06] <jbicha> I think the idea was for all "apps" in Debian GNOME unless you had a reason to be more selective
[14:07] <seb128> bah, I'm undecided now :p
[14:07] <jbicha> ok, let's defer to later then
[14:07] <kenvandine> :)
[14:07] <seb128> I'm going to have a look to the size we are talking about for next week
[14:07] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[14:07] <seb128> let's decide then
[14:07] <seb128> yw
[14:07] <seb128> other things I had a question about
[14:07] <Laney> it's just weird to be taking stuff out with one hand and putting things in with the other
[14:08] <seb128> right
[14:08] <seb128> Robert had that line " - Attended GNOME Stakeholders meeting"
[14:08] <seb128> does anyone know what stackeholder/meeting that is?
[14:08] <seb128> and what is discussed in those meetings?
[14:08] <willcooke> The one on Monday nights
[14:08] <seb128> is that an upstream/downstream thing?
[14:09] <kenvandine> Probably GNOME Software
[14:09] <willcooke> it's a desktop, store, advocatory meeting
[14:09] <seb128> ah
[14:09] <willcooke> advocacy
[14:09] <kenvandine> that's the weekly meeting with advocacy, store, etc
[14:09] <seb128> GNOME software
[14:09] <willcooke> ah yeah
[14:09] <seb128> and Ubuntu specific then
[14:09] <kenvandine> yes
[14:09] <willcooke> yes
[14:09] <seb128> k, nevermind me then
[14:09] <willcooke> :)
[14:09] <seb128> I though it was talking to upstream
[14:09] <seb128> the title was misleading
[14:09] <seb128> "GNOME stakeholders"
[14:10] <seb128> that was all from me
[14:10] <willcooke> anyone else?
[14:10] <xnox> seb128, right, i remember that now. Have we managed to reproduce this? It would be nice to e.g. use willcooke's laptop on which we implemented "rim & reboot" to e.g. install home-encrypted install using e.g. 16.04.4 iso; upgrade to bionic; and check that it still works fine.
[14:10] <willcooke> xnox, I can do testing
[14:10] <xnox> seb128, the actual bug report there is messy. and it is not clear if "ecryptfs /home xenial -> bionic" is busted for everyone, or just that weird machine.
[14:10] <seb128> willcooke, let's wrap the meeting and discuss that boot issue?
[14:10] <willcooke> ack
[14:10] <xnox> oh sorry.
[14:11] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue May 15 14:11:00 2018 UTC.
[14:11] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-05-15-13.30.moin.txt
[14:11] <willcooke> xnox, np, we needed to end anyway
[14:11] <seb128> xnox, jibel reported the bug
[14:11] <xnox> right
[14:11] <seb128> jibel, is that easy to reproduce or did you hit the case with a specific install?
[14:11] <xnox> seb128, so it's probably for realz....
[14:12] <xnox> there is tiny amount of hope it is jibel-only able to discover races =)
[14:13] <xnox> i believe i did retest this, and it did work fine for me, but for me the passwords were matching between login & end system. I guess i can retry with non-matching passwords too
[14:13] <jbicha> seb128: actually for bug 1768555, it's fixed for cosmic so the normal way is to actually nominate it for bionic
[14:13] <seb128> xnox, in any case, what made you believe the issue is due to gnome-shell? that package has nothing to do with boot nor init
[14:13] <jbicha> if we just add a tag to a Fix Released bug, no one will see it
[14:14] <seb128> xnox, k, let us know if you need more details
[14:14] <xnox> seb128, reading the logs, there was a lot of failures, none of which were about ecryptfs. E.g. things failing over themself.
[14:14] <xnox> seb128, and i did retest ecryptfs-alone, and it went fine for me.
[14:15] <seb128> k, well I guess we need to provide a more detailled way to trigger the issue then
[14:15] <seb128> jibel, ^ can you do that?
[14:16] <xnox> seb128, as in during dist-upgrade things failed to connect to the X server. failing to talk over dbus to org.gnome stuff, logind sessions dissapearing, just genenuely all the things collapsing =/ it did not look like a healthy, nor successful fully completed upgrade.
[14:16] <xnox> which may be also a bug in itself....
[14:17]  * xnox ponders if there was non-English locale involved
[14:17] <seb128> ah, that could be
[14:18] <seb128> in session upgrades "fun"
[14:18] <xnox> seb128, this bug report is very much "untrianged" still.
[14:18] <seb128> willcooke, sounds like we should untag to me, unless we can provide clear steps that reproduce the issue and which sound like they could hit normal user in their upgrade
[14:19] <seb128> xnox, ^
[14:20] <seb128> jbicha, right, which whoever does the SRU can do when they upload
[14:22] <jbicha> seb128: that would mean there is no tracking at all for these bugs that are fixed in cosmic but not in bionic. What problem exactly are you trying to solve here?
[14:22] <seb128> jbicha, willcooke, Laney, looks like foundations also have a lot of unassigned bugs on their -tracking page, it's probably worth having a discussion with them about when we expect that workflow to work for SRUs
[14:23] <seb128> jbicha, the same as we do pre-release, having a way for people to propose things to targets and be able to accept/deny them
[14:23] <Laney> we could decide to treat unassigned bugs on tracking the same as incoming
[14:23] <jbicha> I think a lot of potential SRUs are just whether someone feels like doing the work, not that we reject many of them
[14:24] <Laney> we want a way to prioritise and track bug work, this is what we're using
[14:24] <jbicha> so maybe I just need to assign myself to SRUs that I am actually working on
[14:24] <Laney> makes sense
[14:24] <seb128> that would be useful
[14:24] <willcooke> seb128, I'm going to set up a regular meeting with Foundations.  I'll get that sorted today
[14:24] <seb128> willcooke, ah, right, thx :)
[14:27] <jbicha> andyrock: just wanted to make sure you saw my comment on bug 1759468
[14:27] <seb128> jbicha, he's on holidays
[14:28] <seb128> & travelling
[14:29] <jbicha> seb128: ok, I'm thinking about doing the g-c-c SRU without that bug then
[14:30] <seb128> jbicha, please don't, I just updated the bug to be SRU compliant
[14:30] <seb128> jbicha, did the code change that much since 3.28 than you can't figure out how to rebase the patch?
[14:31] <seb128> jbicha, in any case andyrock should be back online tomorrow, so wait until there to see if he can do the rebase
[14:31] <jbicha> lol, I can totally wait until tomorrow :)
[14:33] <jbicha> I wasn't able to duplicate that crash btw with the test case
[14:34] <seb128> it's a race, so depends if you are lucky or not
[16:21] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/commit/f07d125e3ba4d1175ab8f4615e453a933e2fffa7 caused a regression in the chromium snap: bug #1771385
[16:32] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, damn...
[16:34] <kenvandine> greyback, ^^^ any ideas why?
[16:34] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, or do you know why?
[16:39] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, not yet, I'm looking into it
[16:51] <jibel> xnox, seb128 it is not reproducible anymore. I'll try another way tomorrow.
[16:52] <oSoMoN> daughter back from school, play time. I'll get back to it in the evening
[17:40] <willcooke> night all
[20:26] <greyback> kenvandine: I'm not sure why, as I read the previous code, fontconfig was reading the file from the snap that has incorrect paths to fonts, not the generated file with correct paths
[20:27] <greyback> kenvandine: without that patch, my chromium kiosk crashes (is fork of oSoMoN's work that runs chromium on Mir on Core)
[20:28] <greyback> ah, oSoMoN has a fix proposed already


[04:28] <jsing> @xnox you won't want to backport riscv64 cgo from 1.16 to 1.15 - https://github.com/4a6f656c/go/tree/riscv64-cgo-1.15 has diffs if you want them
[04:28] <udevbot> Error: "xnox" is not a valid command.
[04:38] <amurray> jamespage: thanks - if you could please update LP #1898547 with details regarding this test verification for neutron-linuxbridge-agent against iptables 1.8.5-3ubuntu3 in hirsute that would be great as I have done the SRU template stuff (if you could also review that that'd be awesome) so am waiting on autopkgtests to let it migrate into release in hirsute before subscribing ubuntu-sponsors for the groovy SRU
[06:24] <alkisg> Hi, I'm trying to locate the git source of "slick-greeter" in launchpad so that I propose a branch for LP #1902879
[06:24] <alkisg> For e.g. ipxe it's there: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipxe
[06:24] <alkisg> But a similar URL for slick-greeter doesn't exist... where can I find it?
[07:42] <cpaelzer> mvo: good morning, I anted to ping you on https://code.launchpad.net/~paelzer/apt-clone/apt-clone-fix-fails-early-cycle/+merge/393310 to learn if it makes sense to wait on you on that or if you feel "no more responsible"
[07:43] <cpaelzer> I don't mind either way, but wanted to avoid this hanging for to too long because I wait for something that won't happen
[07:43] <mvo> cpaelzer: sure, looking
[07:45] <mvo> cpaelzer: I take care of it
[07:52] <cpaelzer> thank you mvo
[11:21] <xnox> jsing:  i do want to do that. Last time I've used that tree, it ftbfs on all arches. Maybe I messed up, and I guess I should try again.
[11:24] <xnox> Laney:  i slightly feel to like just merge ubuntu/master into ubuntu/groovy => given everything that was done so far are SRU/bugfixes etc.
[11:25] <Laney> xnox: for what?
[11:25] <Laney> livecd-rootfs or?
[11:25] <xnox> oh, sorry, yes livecd-rootfs
[11:26] <xnox> it's vmdk image fixes, hyperv image fixes, bootloader cloud image fixes, riscv64 image fixes
[11:26] <xnox> i think i will do that, and write a nice changelog with all the bug references.
[11:27] <Laney> if you fancy writing up all those SRU bugs, be my guest
[11:27] <Laney> they all seem appropriate to me
[11:33] <Laney> xnox: did you notice that riscv64 server-preinstalled failed in cdimage
[11:33] <Laney> ?
[11:33] <Laney> also, that vorlo_n enabled that for focal and it's failing there too?
[11:35] <Laney> 2020-11-05 09:03:53 URL:https://launchpadlibrarian.net/505319619/livecd.ubuntu-cpc.disk1.img.xz [722747248/722747248] -> "/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-server/hirsute/daily-preinstalled/live/armhf+raspi.disk1.img.xz"
[11:35] <xnox> Laney:  yes, riscv64 server-preinstalled is speculative cron.
[11:35] <Laney> lol
[11:35] <Laney> I see a problem there
[11:36] <Laney> :D
[11:36] <xnox> Laney:  i don't think it works at all. and it's cronned to see what's failing and start fixing it up.
[11:36] <xnox> Laney:  i don't think we have chosen what bootloader to put on it yet.
[11:36] <Laney> right, this is 'start fixing it up'
[11:36] <Laney> things like don't try to call it armhf+raspi eh
[11:36] <xnox> that would be a start, yes =)
[11:37] <xnox> waveform:  Laney: after hyperv changes; have we built hirsute raspi desktop arm64 and does it still work fine? expectation is that i did decouple raspi & hyperv images correctly, but i'm raising that as a regression potential.
[11:37] <xnox> for the livecd-rootfs sru
[11:38] <Laney> I think I would have left focal out until devel is working, then turned that on and tried to start backporting stuff
[11:38] <Laney> um
[11:38] <Laney> I didn't try a daily, would be good to I guess
[12:00] <xnox> ta dah https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/livecd-rootfs/+git/livecd-rootfs/+merge/393380
[12:02] <Laney> ah no misread, that's not what happened, we didn't even try to download riscv64 artifacts
[12:39] <seb128> sil2100, could we back out systemd back to proposed due to bug #1902879? I think the SRU isn't important enough to justify bricking systems, we should sort if out before moving back to updates. Settings the SRU % to 0 isn't helping much since that's enforced in update-manager only atm, users from apt still get the update
[12:39] <seb128> ddstreet, ^
[12:42] <Laney> cute, logind now outputs those nice linkified messages to the journal
[13:15] <kbr> Hiya. It's been a few years since I've done any ubuntu packaging work... There are a few rust packages in focal which could benefit from a rebuild with current cargo, as they have conflicting files right now. (LP: #1868517)
[13:15] <kbr> Does this qualify for a SRU?
[13:21] <jsing> xnox: it definitely works on riscv64, think I would have tested on amd64 as well.. but if you hit problems feel free to let me know
[13:47] <seb128> ddstreet, bug #1903036 claims to be a SRU regression from the recent systemd/focal SRU
[13:49] <seb128> rbalint, hey, is bug #1902832 on your list for this week. Should we maybe move the SRU out of updates back to proposed until the issue is figured out?
[13:50] <seb128> rbalint, there was another user reporting the issue and some details added to the bug since yesterday
[15:15] <rbalint> seb128, sil2100 I'm ok with moving glibc back to -proposed, while i believe this is not a standard procedure
[15:18] <seb128> rbalint, what do you mean by not standard? I think it's not uncommon to avoid getting more users hit by a regression, it's not a solution by itself though and doesn't mean we avoid doing the real fix then
[15:22] <rbalint> seb128, forget it, i'm ok with putting it back to proposed
[15:23] <seb128> rbalint, thanks
[15:26] <seb128> rbasak, hey, can I convince you to let the yaru-theme/focal SRU in? we need to get the shell one unblocked but that doesn't need to be blocked on that
[15:26] <seb128> rbalint, the yaru update is blocking some snap work to land that we would like to see available now
[15:43] <Laney> kbr: Sounds like it would qualify to me
[15:48] <mfo> vorlon, hey o/ looking for ubiquity & partman-crypto reviewers bug 1898129 and bug 1895351. should i request someone as reviewer in the merge requests, or just let Ubuntu Installer Team there, and wait a little more? (it's been 1-2 months, but that's understandable as we were previously in groovy's freezes.) thanks.
[15:49] <mfo> i just rebased/pushed them.
[15:53] <sil2100> rbalint: by 'glibc' you mean 'systemd', right?
[15:54] <ogra> did they merge that in as well now ?
[15:54] <ogra> 🙂
[15:59] <xnox> jsing:  cool.
[16:41] <seb128> sil2100, ^ any opinion on the glibc revert to proposed for bug #1902832? it's less of a major issue than the systemd one but I think we should either get someone to investigate actively the regression or revert
[16:44] <rbalint> seb128, sil2100 let me investigate it in the next hours
[16:58] <sil2100> seb128, rbalint: since this is a big update, I'd appreciate if rbalint could take a look at it and assess how bad it is and how hard it would be to fix
[16:58] <sil2100> Like with some revert etc.
[17:03] <kbr> I have a number of packages that are broken in focal due to a build-dep cargo having a bug. cargo was fixed in focal-security and focal-updates - do I restrict the build-dep to a fixed version or do I go with a no-change rebuild?
[17:50] <Laney> juliank: can I use apt patterns with dcmd to only install the packages I've already got installed? to get something close to dpkg -iO
[18:05] <juliank> Laney: I don't think so
[18:07] <juliank> Laney: Depending on what you're looking for you can just do apt install --only-upgrades <path to changes>; or apt --with-source <path to changes> install '?installed?archive(local-deb)'
[18:08] <juliank> the latter can downgrade I suppoe
[18:08] <juliank> ah no
[18:08] <juliank> that's
[18:08] <juliank> install '?installed?archive(local-deb)'/local-deb for downgrades
[18:08] <juliank> So summary answer: You can do what you want with apt directly, but not with dcmd I suppose
[18:09] <Laney> Yeah maybe the first one will work, thanks!
[18:09] <juliank> heh the latter one is closest to your request :D
[18:10] <juliank> the latter apt one that is :D
[18:10] <juliank> I use debi -u insted of apt install --only-upgrades for muscle memory reasons
[18:13] <Laney> oic, now I know what --with-source does
[18:15] <juliank> It's magic
[18:52] <ahasenack> hi, does anybody have a clue why apt remove ./*.deb ended up installing the deb? I know that removing a local deb filename makes no sense, but I wanted to see what would happen. And this was unexpected to me: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dkVq7mqvrd/
[19:09] <juliank> ahasenack: probably code path not flipping the default operation correctly
[19:09] <juliank> But kind of borderline ok behavior
[19:33] <seb128> sil2100, rbalint, thx
[19:35] <seb128> rbalint, any idea why it's happening only with the new glibc if it's a lftp bug?
[19:37] <rbalint> seb128, i'm looking into the changes, can't tell yet
[19:37] <seb128> k
[19:54] <rbalint> seb128, sil2100 The memory handling error can be observed with valgrind with the older libc6 package, too, it just does not crash lftp presumably due to a 'luckier' memory allocation layout.
[19:55] <seb128> k, good, so not a regression in glibc
[19:55] <seb128> rbalint, thanks for investigating!
[20:23] <mwhudson> xnox: oh argh
[20:25] <mwhudson> xnox: i guess either we stay on 1.14 everywhere or stay on 1.14 for riscv64 only
[20:25] <mwhudson> xnox: hopefully we'll have 1.16 by release...
[20:32] <bdmurray> xnox: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/B57H44qKNY/
[22:54] <Sargun> Is there a plan to backport this to systemd 237 (18.04), so it'll work with the 5.8 HWE? https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/16420
[23:40] <amurray> jamespage: hey any chance you could look at doing the SRU verification for LP #1898547 - the iptables update is now in groovy-proposed and is waiting on someone to tag it verification-done-groovy so it can migrate


[00:06] <tomreyn> telescopeemoji3: i don't, and wont be able to test, but it'd be easier for others to respond if you told which image exactly (ideally by download location) you used and which how-to you followed and how you determined that this image "updates to rpi2". also note there is #ubuntu-arm
[00:17] <TJ-> currently building nginx (finally) for Eoan
[00:24] <teward> TJ-: that means you are about to fail randomly :P
[00:30] <TJ-> it's built, and installed, now I'm trying to restrict the container to 1 CPU although I'm not sure that'll help!
[00:31] <TJ-> argh, broken
[00:31] <sdeziel> TJ-: once it started fine, you can try "service nginx upgrade" and see if systemd lost track of the new main PID
[00:31] <sdeziel> oh shoot
[00:38] <telescopeemoji3> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/iot/raspberry-pi-2-3 im using the 3 image
[00:38] <telescopeemoji3> When it updates it changes the kernel to 2
[00:38] <telescopeemoji3> oh nm
[00:39] <telescopeemoji3> i may be corrected
[00:39] <telescopeemoji3> uname -a
[00:39] <telescopeemoji3> Linux Raspberry 5.0.0-1006-raspi2 #6-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 11 18:04:26 UTC 2019 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
[00:52] <TJ-> building again with added logging
[02:05] <TJ-> sarnold: nginx - do you know where the ngx_log_stderr() is supposed to go!? I'm not finding the output anywhere, even when starting nginx manually
[02:07] <sarnold> TJ-: I do not :( it might require setting a specific loglevel somewhere..
[02:10] <TJ-> no, it seems somehow the debian build isn't including my code!
[02:11] <TJ-> I've added lots of ngx_log_stderr() with the string "child_pid" used, and "strings /usr/sbin/nginx" doesn't find it
[02:12] <sarnold> strings -a ?
[02:14] <TJ-> Aha! id' already done a fakeroot debian/rules build... so when I rebuilt the package it used the build products under ./debian/ ! Doing a 'clean' looks like it'll solve that
[02:15] <TJ-> so my adding log messages didn't get into the build products
[02:29] <TJ-> sarnold: we have data! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nksHVHcF2Q/
[02:31] <sarnold> beautiful!
[02:31] <TJ-> sarnold: patch is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sMT3Wnj6pH/
[02:31] <sarnold> TJ-: nginx[10421]:
[02:32] <sarnold> TJ-: that never said 10422 :/
[02:32] <TJ-> so it seems like ngx_create_pidfile() is actually writing the /wrong/ pid into the file
[02:33] <TJ-> so becuase of how I've coded it it looks like I've got to 'munge' the ngx_pid
[02:42] <TJ-> building it now
[02:44] <TJ-> I hope this is it; been hacking away for 24 hours now
[03:03] <TJ-> sarnold: woohoo! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zrBPvhq4SR/
[03:03] <sarnold> nginx[27728]: nginx: This should be child process PID 27729, parent PID 27728
[03:03] <sarnold> TJ-: something's still goofy :(
[03:04] <TJ-> nah, it's fine
[03:04] <TJ-> systemd uses the parent PID in its logging regardless of child processes
[03:05] <TJ-> the funniest is "nginx[27728]: nginx: Process PID 27729 exiting" because that is printed after ngx_pid was set to the child PID :)
[03:05] <TJ-> but whereas before this the package installation would hang during configure, it didn't hang this time
[03:06] <TJ-> I'll remove the log messages and attach the patch to the bug
[03:06] <sarnold> OH! so that part of the message isn't formatted by nginx? it's formatted by systemd? (and it gets it wrong, of course, becasuse why would it be doing the formatting.)
[03:20] <TJ-> well, I thought that was it, but just did a package upgrade and got this: "Jun 01 03:19:23 u1910 start-stop-daemon[18631]: /sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill -3: No such process"
[03:21] <sarnold> oh my
[03:21] <sarnold> why isn't there a process 3? I don't have one either :)
[03:22] <sarnold> if that had been -2 or -4 or so on you might have had a bad day :)
[03:26] <TJ-> it's -3, NGX_BUSY, the tell-tale
[03:27] <TJ-> that's because when ngx_inherited == true ngx_daemon() is NOT called, so child_pid doesn't get set
[03:27] <TJ-> I've just got to add another test on ngx_inherited
[03:28] <sarnold> the thing is, kill with a negative pid number STILL KILLS -- process groups
[03:35] <TJ-> I've fixed that now, doing a build test
[03:36] <TJ-> this only affected reloads where there was no fork()
[03:46] <TJ-> sarnold: sorted, works perfectly for starts/stops/restarts
[03:46] <TJ-> attached to bug report, going to bed now
[03:46] <sarnold> TJ-: beautiful! and .. the upgrade?
[03:46] <sarnold> aha
[03:46] <sarnold> TJ-: goodnight, good weekend :)
[03:47] <TJ-> yes, the upgrade too
[03:47] <sarnold> :D :D
[07:32] <FarhaadN> hi all
[07:33] <FarhaadN> i am using ubuntu server 12.04.5 LTS , and i know it's old, but i have problem on this
[07:33] <FarhaadN> df not working
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> we dont support eol versions FarhaadN
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> in this stage you can choose 12.04 ESM or !eolupgrade but reccomended would be clean install 16.04 or 18.04
[07:34] <FarhaadN> can you help please from your experience?
[07:34] <FarhaadN> i cant upgrade server to newer version right now
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> FarhaadN: supporting an eol version is not how it works, as your system might suffer all kinds of security flaws
[07:47] <FarhaadN> i know that , server isolate from security attack, i am just check mount and storage
[15:21] <Greyztar> cant seem to install packages no more is there a problem with the mirrors?
[15:31] <Greyztar> nvm was my iptables rules o.0
[19:01] <banditti> Hello all.  I have a ubuntu server (18.04) with dual nic.  (<IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>). I am trying to get one only to connect to a qnap box via iscsi.  when I use iscsiadm it logs in both IPs.  Also, need to figure out how to auto boot the mapping.  What am I missing?  Thank you in advance


[02:06] <JackFrost> Restarting lubotu.
[02:11] <JackFrost> In a few minutes, that is.
[02:26] <JackFrost> lubotu: ping
[02:26] <lubotu> pong
[10:36] <lubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, tomreyn said: !no 21.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 21.04 (Hirsute Hippo) was the 34th release of Ubuntu, support ended on January 20, 2022. See !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-January/000276.html
[16:18] <Maik> tomreyn: is it possible that someone updates the op list when someone uses the op trigger, it's far outdated
[16:18] <Maik> it's about time someone has a look at that :)
[16:19] <tomreyn> i was wondering this, too. but i'm not sure how it should be composed, or whether there is a process involved in managing it.
[16:23] <Maik> maybe hggdh knows?
[16:23] <tomreyn> I've also brought this topic up on the irc ops coordination channel just now.
[16:24] <Maik> thanks :)
[22:57] <tomreyn> Maik: for what it's worth, !ops is updated now (for #ubuntu anyways)
[22:58] <Maik> nice, thanks for letting me know tomreyn


[01:59] <Langjan> Hi just checking in on the sleep-less chat members - watching the cricket or a guilty conscience?  I tried to get my startup ubuntu logo back ended up editing grub GFX mode and got options that I did not know about
[06:37] <andrewlsd> Morning y'all
[06:37] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[06:37] <Langjan> so I trid to reboot and landed up with graphics prob
[06:38] <Langjan> hi andrewlsd
[06:38] <Kilos> ai! Langjan
[06:38] <Langjan> huge screen but nothing works
[06:38] <Kilos> for starters why wasnt your startup logo there to start with
[06:38] <Langjan> running on laptop
[06:39] <Kilos> lets go through it slowly
[06:39] <Langjan> OK I did a frashinstall and the ogo was gone since then
[06:39] <Langjan> It was after I went to 64 bit
[06:40] <Kilos> so what do you see on startup then
[06:40] <Langjan> just a blank screen
[06:40] <Kilos> ok lets try the aptitude reinstall route
[06:41] <Langjan> running on live dvd now but dnt thinkthat will help
[06:41] <nsnzero> thats the plymouth screen -> shows the logo
[06:41] <Kilos> i need to learn what apt can do still
[06:41] <Kilos> ah nsnzero so where the logo went?
[06:42] <nsnzero> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[06:42] <Kilos> Langjan ctrl+alt+F3 does what
[06:42] <nsnzero> i think its looking for a theme thats not there hence the blank screen
[06:42] <Kilos> i wbb debs online
[06:42] <nsnzero> apt search plymouth will give you available themes
[06:43] <Kilos> nsnzero help oom jan please
[06:43] <Langjan> let me reboot first, on live dvd now
[06:44] <Langjan> ctrl+alt+f3 does nothing
[06:45] <nsnzero> ctrl+alt+function lets you change sessions
[06:46] <Langjan> function?
[06:46] <nsnzero> F1 F2 F3 ... etc function keys
[06:47] <Langjan> they do nothing system seems dead just shows a screen with huge graphics
[06:47] <Kilos> you see a
[06:47] <Kilos> um
[06:47] <Langjan> no cursor, no internet
[06:48] <Kilos> thing where you type commands
[06:48] <Kilos> cursor
[06:48] <Langjan> mouse pointer static
[06:48] <Kilos> prompt is the word im looking for
[06:48] <nsnzero> you need to reset grub - you have changed the gfx mode
[06:48] <Kilos> go ahead ty nsnzero
[06:49] <Langjan> thks nsnzero
[06:49] <Langjan> how do I reset grub in nothing works?
[06:49] <nsnzero> just checking ....
[06:49] <Kilos> cant you type commands even?
[06:50] <Langjan> nope
[06:50] <Langjan> no terminal opens
[06:50] <Kilos> ai!
[06:50] <nsnzero> how did you edit the grub config Langjan ?
[06:51] <Langjan> you mean what did I change?
[06:51] <nsnzero> try changing the session with ctrl+alt+F1 , F2 , F3 ....
[06:51] <Langjan> they are all not reacting
[06:52] <Langjan> screen just shows al startup apps in huge graphics and nothing is reacting
[06:52] <nsnzero> both Langjan .... but if you hold down the left shift key when booting - you will get the grub menu
[06:52] <Langjan> ok let me try thks
[06:53] <nsnzero> do you remember what you changed ?
[06:54] <Langjan> gfx mode deleted the #  than added a line
[06:54] <Langjan> ok in grub now
[06:54] <Langjan> advanced options?
[06:56] <Langjan> looks like I can select an older kernel?
[06:57] <Langjan> yes I did that and all is back to normal, many thanks guys
[06:58] <nsnzero> pleasure
[06:59] <Langjan> Enjoy your day nsnzero
[07:00] <nsnzero> thanks Langjan  and you have a good day too
[07:00] <Kilos> is it fixed
[07:01] <Langjan> yes thks Kilos
[07:01] <Langjan> whats news from Oz?
[07:01] <Kilos> now listen
[07:01] <Kilos> they fine ty just stressing about my heart
[07:02] <Kilos> Langjan rule 1 dont try fix what isnt broken
[07:03] <Langjan> Good and thks, leave well enough alone is now my middle name
[07:03] <nsnzero> **** or ask first then make changes ****
[07:03] <Kilos> rule 2 before you try some advise from the internet come ask here and bring the link to where you getting the advise
[07:03] <Kilos> zlways ask here
[07:03] <Langjan> OK boss and lifesaver, will do
[07:03] <Kilos> always
[07:04] <Kilos> im happy you got it going, ty nsnzero
[07:04] <Kilos> the oom does things that are beyong me
[07:04] <Langjan> That was Bing Crosby's song
[07:04] <Langjan> Always
[07:04] <Kilos> yes
[07:04] <Kilos> ill be helping you always
[07:04] <Kilos> hehe
[07:05] <Langjan> Got to keep me going with something interesting - always
[07:05] <Kilos> i dont love you you too old and ugly
[07:05] <Kilos> but you a good friend
[07:05] <Langjan> Lmga, thinking how you will look when you get to 74
[07:05] <Kilos> oh and aking vits c 4 times a day
[07:06] <Langjan> Good boy!
[07:06] <Kilos> got 2 more bottles
[07:06] <Langjan> Feel the kick yet?
[07:06] <Kilos> no
[07:06] <Langjan> ai
[07:06] <Kilos> where must it kick?
[07:06] <Langjan> hardegat
[07:06] <Langjan> lmga
[07:06] <Kilos> hehe
[07:06] <Langjan> ok going for breakfast lekker daggie
[07:06] <Kilos> ian felt it quick but nothing works on me in a short while
[07:07] <Kilos> enjoy
[07:07] <Kilos> have a good day
[07:07] <Langjan> thks and keep it up until you feel kick
[07:07] <Kilos> where?
[07:07] <Langjan> jy ook my lifesaver
[07:07] <Langjan> in the backside where else?
[07:08] <Kilos> lmga there no pain there man
[07:08] <Kilos> go eat
[07:08] <Kilos> haha
[07:08] <Langjan> wil be when it kicks
[07:08] <Langjan> lmga
[07:08] <Langjan> moi loop
[07:08] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[07:36]  * andrewlsd lurks
[07:38] <nsnzero> hi andrewlsd
[07:38] <nsnzero> kilos correct me if i am wrong but didnt you once stay in toti ?
[07:41] <Kilos> yes nsnzero about 30 years ago
[07:44] <nsnzero> thanks for the update Kilos
[07:45] <nsnzero> i need to get more people from  durban to be involved in ubuntu
[07:46] <Kilos> there were a feww there
[07:47] <Kilos> vince0 is there and wwk
[07:47] <Kilos> you could still find buntu users in dbnlug as well
[07:50] <nsnzero> dbnlug is inactive from the last time i checked
[08:05] <Kilos> try find vince0
[08:06] <Kilos> he is on G+ iirc
[08:06] <Kilos> and william walter kinghorn has many things going in durbs
[08:13] <magellanic> hi lurker, I mean andrewlsd :P
[08:34] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[08:37] <magellanic> hi Kilos
[08:44] <nsnzero> yesterday i spent a few hours in #unbuntu-za - wondering why no one was chatting
[08:46] <andrewlsd> inetpro: no Maaz today? I may have missed the discussion, but is Maaz been repaired/replaced?
[08:59] <nsnzero> andrewlsd: there was talk of upgrading maaz
[09:00] <Kilos> been missing in action some days now iirc
[09:01] <Kilos> i can bring a loan bot here
[09:01] <Kilos> QA coffee on
[09:01]  * QA starts grinding coffee
[09:02] <nsnzero> no siri or cortana ? lol
[09:05] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:37] <nsnzero> guys is there a program like emacs with common key binding like ctrl+s to save ctrl+c to copy
[09:45] <nsnzero> found a keybinding called Ergoemacs - GNU Emacs for people who did not grow up with emacs
[09:45] <andrewlsd> ^ that sounds like a question for theblazehen
[09:46] <andrewlsd> QA: tell magellanic hi there. sorry I missed you
[09:46] <QA> andrewlsd: I don't know who magellanic is. Say 'magellanic on freenode' and I'll take your word that magellanic exists
[09:46] <andrewlsd> QA: tell magellanic on freenode hi there. sorry I missed you
[09:46] <QA> andrewlsd: Sure, I'll tell magellanic on freenode
[09:46] <theblazehen> Hi. nsnzero look at the CUA keys option
[09:46]  * andrewlsd basks in the awesomeness of theblazehen
[09:46] <theblazehen> If you use the menu bar, options -> Use CUA keys
[09:46] <theblazehen> heh
[09:46] <andrewlsd> fortunately _there is no charge for awesomess_
[09:47] <theblazehen> It's right in the menus
[09:47] <andrewlsd> _or attractiveness_
[09:47] <theblazehen> lol
[09:47]  * andrewlsd looks at several menus
[09:47]  * andrewlsd does not see CUA anywhere
[09:48] <nsnzero> installing emacs now to try it out
[09:48]  * andrewlsd puts down menus from Spur, Nandos and
[09:48] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Have you looked at spacemacs? Does a lot of the hard work for you
[09:48]  * andrewlsd <insert_restaurant_name_here>
[09:48]  * theblazehen uses it
[09:49] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: Try going to a restaurant that RMS frequents?
[09:49] <nsnzero> theblazehen:  i checked it out but you need emacs24 installed first
[09:49] <theblazehen> nsnzero: And you can't use emacs24?
[09:49] <theblazehen> Which version do you have?
[09:50] <nsnzero> i have no version installed yet - downloading now
[09:50] <theblazehen> Yeah. But spacemacs is easier than starting with an empty init.el
[09:51] <nsnzero> was checking it out last night - but the key binding in emacs left me wondering
[09:51]  * theblazehen doesn't really know any lisp... But if you don't want to learn lisp to configure your text editor, spacemacs is great
[09:51] <theblazehen> yeah. It's as easy as clicking the option in the menu
[09:52] <theblazehen> spacemacs has emacs or vim keybindings, with option for CUA
[09:52] <theblazehen> Takes like 3 seconds to start spacemacs though :/ But if you use emacsclient it's not too bad
[09:53] <theblazehen> Emacsclient causes issues when you use neotree in multiple frames though, and I just use vim for quick edits
[09:54] <nsnzero> i dont know what emacsclient is theblazehen
[09:55] <theblazehen> nsnzero: You can run emacs as a daemon if you don't want to wait the 2 - 10 seconds for it to start up
[09:55] <nsnzero> will spacemacs run in terminal ?
[09:55] <theblazehen> These days I just deal with the little wait, since I generally use it for long running sessions
[09:55] <theblazehen> Yeah, just pass it the option to run in console
[09:56] <theblazehen> Terminal is very limited in terms of keys that can be entered
[10:01] <nsnzero> currently i am using nano  - serves its purpose - but emacs is something i want to play with
[10:01] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Yeah, go for spacemacs. It does all the basic stuff for you
[10:02] <theblazehen> nsnzero: I really love https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/emacs#TRAMP
[10:04] <nsnzero> error: Package `package-build-' is unavailable
[10:08] <nsnzero> emacs --insecure cures the above probllem
[10:23] <nsnzero> so many other issues with spacemacs
[10:25] <theblazehen> How so?
[10:29] <nsnzero> helm giving me errors
[10:29] <nsnzero> spacemacs helm-ag :init: Symbol's function definition is void:
[10:33] <theblazehen> Tried closing it and opening it again?
[10:33]  * theblazehen sometimes needs to do that after editing certain bits of the config file etc, live reload doesn't always work
[10:35] <nsnzero> 5 times restarted still the same
[10:37] <theblazehen> Hmm. No issues for me. emacs version?
[10:37] <nsnzero> welcome back Maaz
[10:37] <andrewlsd> Hello Maaz
[10:37] <nsnzero> emacs24
[10:38] <andrewlsd> Maaz: segfault
[10:38] <Maaz> andrewlsd: Huh?
[10:38] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Are you looking for a "text editor", or a bit more of a full development environment?
[10:38]  * andrewlsd was just checking
[10:38] <nsnzero> how do i close windows/buffers ?
 w will give you a window menu
[10:38] <nsnzero> test editor but if it offers more - i will take it
[10:38] <theblazehen> In vim mode I just :q
[10:39] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: https://xkcd.com/371/
[10:39] <theblazehen> nsnzero: tip: If you want to do something, and can't find it in the menu, <spacw> :
[10:39] <theblazehen> then type what you're looking for
[10:40]  * theblazehen still doesn't know where comment-region is in the menu
[10:40] <theblazehen> eg, <spc> : kill win gives me "kll-buffer-and-window"
[10:41] <theblazehen> Amazing how much there is
[10:41] <theblazehen> https://github.com/tkf/emacs-ipython-notebook/wiki/Screenshots is amazing
[10:42] <theblazehen> http://termbin.com/xnhl my .spacemacs
[10:43] <theblazehen> and new-frame creates a new window (as managed by your window manager, not a window inside emacs)
[10:44] <theblazehen> hi jerit
[10:44] <jerit> o/
[10:44] <jerit> how goes
[10:44] <theblazehen> Good and you jerit?
[10:44] <jerit> can't complain much :P
[10:44] <jerit> currently just trying to figure out wtf I'm supposed to put on a landing page for my Adwords ads
[10:45] <theblazehen> heh. Someone asks a north korean guy how he's doing. "Can't complain" he says
[10:45] <jerit> lol
[10:45] <andrewlsd> lol
[10:46] <andrewlsd> jerit: I dunno maybe just add some words ;-P
[10:46] <jerit> maybe I must log in to the mailing service that planet fitness uses and see what their emails look like since I forgot since I left that company 4 years ago
[10:47] <jerit> (they haven't changed their login credentials in all that time)
[10:47] <jerit> maybe that'll help
[10:47] <theblazehen> jerit: goatse.ch/ (Maybe a little nsfw. Depending on how nsfw a little ascii can be)
[10:48] <jerit> theblazehen: what concerns me most about that is that someone paid for that domain and took the time to make that into ascii art
[10:50] <theblazehen> heh
[10:51] <theblazehen> So I encoded the "Don't copy that floppy" video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI) so that it is 1352 KB. Aka, I can now copy that floppy. https://linx.li/bidm4bzq.mkv
[10:52] <theblazehen> opus + x265 / HEVC
[10:52] <nsnzero>  i gave up on emacs
[10:52] <theblazehen> nsnzero: Maybe give vanilla emacs a go?
[10:52] <nsnzero> tried vanilla as well - learning curve to steep
[10:53] <nsnzero> i need a something a little better than nano
[10:53] <theblazehen> I got a "watchable" video in 22.77 kbit/s
[10:53] <theblazehen> nsnzero: I've heard good things about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Own_Editor
[10:54] <theblazehen> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ne_(text_editor) has "normal" key bindings as well, and a menu bar
[10:57] <nsnzero> midnight commander is a text editor as well !
[10:57] <theblazehen> nice
[11:00] <andrewlsd> anyone know whether there is an alternative command to `tree` that does pretty much the same thing, but perhaps with additional options?
[11:01] <andrewlsd> nsnzero: yeah, mc ftw
[11:04] <nsnzero> mc reminds me of wordperfect
[11:04] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: What are you looking for?
[11:05] <andrewlsd> ? looking for?
[11:05] <nsnzero> what do you want tree to do ?
[11:05] <andrewlsd> oh. just what tree does.
[11:06] <andrewlsd> but I was wondering whether there was some other built-in or something like that that might do the same role, but have a different name.
[11:06] <nsnzero> tree print directories in a tree format
[11:06] <andrewlsd> e.g like mail vs mailx
[11:06] <andrewlsd> yip, and that is what I wanted to do (print directories in a tree format)
[11:07] <nsnzero> cp tree treex ?
[11:07] <andrewlsd> was just curious, every so often one comes across alternatives. looking for `serendipity`
[11:07] <andrewlsd> lol nsnzero
[11:08] <andrewlsd> or go hardcore....   edit the source s/tree/treex/ then package the deb as treex ; then upload to repo, and apt-get install treex
[11:08] <nsnzero> i was looking for program that print file listing in html format - tree does that - its pretty good
[11:08] <pavlushka> nsnzero: tree and tee are two different command :p
[11:08] <pavlushka> *s
[11:09] <andrewlsd> btw, other examples that I was thinking of are `tar` vs `star` and `egrep` vs `grep`
[11:10] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: http://termbin.com/3rn2 :p
[11:10] <theblazehen> Also, grep -E iirc, and have you looked at bsdtar?
[11:13] <andrewlsd> TIL: `/proc/self`  like `cat /proc/self/status`  never knew about that before
[11:19] <theblazehen> andrewlsd: man 5 procfs :)
[11:20] <andrewlsd> TY theblazehen.
[11:26] <inetpro> Maaz: wb
[11:26] <Maaz> Thank you so much inetpro my good good friend
[11:26] <inetpro> cocooncrash: thanks for fixing it/him/her again
[11:28] <andrewlsd> theblazehen: just played with creating the "unread" type view from Slack in Quassel by creating a chat view that only shows channels with new messages. works nicely
[11:29] <theblazehen> Nice. /me should actually set up a monitor view for busy slack groups with quassel
[11:38] <cocooncrash> inetpro: np
[12:20] <nsnzero> have a good afternoon everyone
[12:24] <jerit> inetpro wasn't I arguing with you several months ago about my own auth that I rolled on a website?
[12:25] <jerit> no that was someone called inetpro_madness
[12:27]  * inetpro shakes head in confusion
[12:28] <pavlushka> good afternoon
[13:11] <andrewlsd> hi pavlushka
[13:11] <andrewlsd> hi inetpro
[13:12] <pavlushka> Hello andrewlsd :)
[13:12] <pavlushka> yes hi inetpro :p
[14:31] <Squirm_> Hiya
[14:32] <Kilos> hi Squirm_
[14:33] <Kilos> oooo yay return of the bot
[14:33] <Kilos> QA leave #ubuntu-za
[14:34] <Kilos> ty inetpro and cocooncrash
[14:34] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[14:34]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:51] <inetpro> Kilos: sounds like the title of a movie
[14:52] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:52] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[14:52] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[14:53] <Kilos> i still gotta find which character makes that o with dots above
[15:17] <chesedo> Kilos: <right alt> + ; + o = ö
[15:18] <chesedo> if your keyboard has the sa layout
[15:19] <chesedo> in fact <right alt> + ; + <most letters> = ä | ë | ï | ö | ü | ẅ | ẗ | ÿ | .......
[15:56] <jerit> Kilos sudo rm -rf /
[16:14] <Kilos> ¸¸ö
[16:14] <Kilos> yooooo hooo ty guys
[16:14] <Kilos> whats the rm command fo , to remove what
[16:15] <Kilos> sorry i took so long, had to strip fan and lube the bushes because peeps dunno what fosphore bronze is
[16:16] <Kilos> anymore
[16:21] <Kilos> jerit what is the remove command for?
[16:21] <Kilos> remove root?
[16:22] <jerit> yeah supposed to have been a joke
[16:23] <Kilos> hahaha thats dangerous with me i do stupid things and trust everyone here
[16:23] <Kilos> so dont expect commands that will kill my system
[16:35] <chesedo> Kilos: see how easy it is to remember too... the ; key has the double dots too...
[16:43] <inetpro> jerit: don't be evil
[16:45] <jerit> its not that evil nowadays anyway since there's protection against doing this... I tried it once
[17:09] <nsnzero> evening guys
[18:11] <magellanic> google cloud next17 event livestream, for anyone interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_K1YoMHpbk
[18:11] <magellanic> a bit late sorry
[19:13] <superfly> hi hi
[19:15] <nsnzero> good morning / evening superfly
[19:15] <superfly> afternoon, actually, it's 12:15
[19:16] <nsnzero> oh - 9 hours difference
[19:17] <magellanic> hi superfly
[19:17] <superfly> nsnzero: yes. And always 9. Arizona is one of the few states which doesn't do DST
[19:17] <superfly> hey magellanic
[19:23] <nsnzero> have you been to the grand canyon ?
[20:26] <superfly> Maaz: tell nsnzero No, I haven't been to the grand canyon (yet)
[20:26] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell nsnzero on freenode