[00:33] <ahoneybun> mhall119: why are there 7 spots for UCC but Mark has one for sure?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> So would there would only be 6, no?


[00:04] <qwebirc74712> Hi - I'm hoping to find somebody to confirm a Unity/Ayatana bug that I filed.  It's LP #958833.  Happy to explain here.  Anyone have five minutes?  :)
[00:35] <qwebirc74712> ok, maybe another time.
[00:47] <nloewen> The latest unity release in the ppa is leaking a lot. is this a known issue?
[00:50] <Daekdroom> nloewen, I saw a bug report about that earlier, but no developer commented about it.
[00:51] <Daekdroom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/976647
[00:52] <nloewen> ah, I'm getting mem usage of about 1gb over about 12 hours.
[00:54] <Daekdroom> I restarted unity less than one hour ago and it's at 238MiB already.
[00:56] <nloewen> Daekdroom: I think it was filling up swap too. I don't know how much was there.
[03:15] <nloewen> The compiz --replace command seems broken.
[03:15] <nloewen> It seems to wait indefinitely for the previous instance to end.
[03:16] <nloewen> If I switch to a tty and kill compiz, the command goes through and compiz starts up again.
[14:06] <mfilipe> hi! I'm using Precise Pangolin and I see that default behaviour is Launcher always visible but before was hidden. Why did you change that behaviour?
[14:09] <mfilipe> Through Super+Tab is possible I open a NEW window of application?
[14:09] <krnekhelesh> mfilipe, the dodge behaviour was removed...hence it was wise to keep the launcher always visible as default to aid new users
[14:10] <krnekhelesh> mfilipe: you can change the setting to autohide if you want in system settings -> Appearance -> behavior
[14:14] <mfilipe> krnekhelesh, thanks!
[14:16] <krnekhelesh> mfilipe, np
[14:19] <mfilipe> about open new window through super+tab, I saw it's possible using Super+Shift+Number but I want through Super+Tab navigation. Is possible?
[14:32] <krnekhelesh> mfilipe, I am afraid opening a new window using supet+tab is not possible when you already have one instance of that application already running
[14:32] <krnekhelesh> but you can super+tab to open application or focus that applications
[14:34] <mfilipe> understood, thanks again
[14:34] <mfilipe> the last question
[14:34] <mfilipe> hehehe
[14:35] <mfilipe> I use two monitor (top and down) and I want move a window from top monitor to down. Can I do that through keyboard?
[14:37] <mfilipe> congratulations about ctrl+super+left/right shortcut, it was very good
[14:38] <mfilipe> much better than use grid plugin, because I use a thinkpad that needs press Fn to access NumLock
[14:43] <krnekhelesh> mfilipe, I do not think there are any shortcuts to move an application from 1 monitor to the other... :(
[14:44] <krnekhelesh> I only know of shortcuts to move an application from one workspace to the other
[16:53] <bluefrog> if not mistaken, bash meta key is used by the HUD and/or by the dash. any way to set another meta key in gnome-terminal?
[17:26] <ace__> hello
[17:26] <ace__> I am having a bug
[17:26] <ace__> where some apps
[17:26] <ace__> show as panel
[17:26] <ace__> that is Ogre apps (openmw), SFML apps (my  tests) , OpenTK apps(also my tests),glxgears
[17:27] <ace__> also show as panel in launcher
[18:56]  * jussi wonders if mhall119 is about?
[19:07]  * mhall119 is about
[19:08] <mhall119> jussi: ^^
[19:12] <jussi> mhall119: how does one get content in the community lens?
[19:13] <mhall119> jussi: there are 2 external scopes for it, one reads events from loco.u.c, the other reads news from planet.u.c
[19:19] <jussi> mhall119: oh, ok
[19:19] <jussi> mhall119: do you know if there is a lens/scope for LP bugs ? or am I misunderstanding the purpose...
[19:21] <mhall119> jussi: the problem is that the LP api doesn't let you query bugs "for all projects", you can only do it on a per-project basis
[19:22] <mhall119> there has been talk about a LP or "bugs" lens, it just needs a good source
[19:22] <mhall119> dholbach's harvest will feed low-hanging bugs (not sure how it determines those) for multiple projects at a time, and it has an API, just needs somebody to write it
[19:22] <jussi> hrm
[19:24] <jussi> could it be set up for ajust a few sources? ie. bugs for projects Im a member of - or subscribed to or something?
[19:26] <mhall119> you could do that, yeah
[19:27] <mhall119> the code would still have to do individual queries for each project, but you can at least get a list of projects you're invovled in
[19:27] <mhall119> (I think)
[20:52] <mhall119> if anybody can help translate Hello Unity, I would very much appreciate it: https://translations.launchpad.net/hello-unity
[21:38] <htorque> mhall119: "Change this text to whatever you want it to be" - is this "you" formal (like "sir") or like addressing a buddy?
[21:43] <mhall119> htorque: hmmm, like a buddy I suppose
[21:43] <mhall119> I certainly wouldn't consider it formal
[21:44] <mhall119> should be tu instead of vous then?
[21:45] <htorque> mhall119: no idea, i'm not french. :-P  i was asking, because "you" can be translated to both forms in german.
[21:46] <mhall119> ah, ok, same for French
[21:47] <mhall119> htorque: did you do the German translations for the accomplishments system?
[21:47] <htorque> nope
[21:47] <htorque> i very rarely do translations
[21:48] <htorque> but the german translation team is big and quite active :-)
[22:06] <micahg> does Bug #977534  look like a unity bug or chromium specific?


[01:05] <greg-g> is there a way of saying "yes, this private bug needs to stay private due to there being a password/something sensitive available in it" without actually putting that in a comment?  Like a "Really Private?" confirmation
[01:06] <greg-g> I don't have one, but I was just thinking that I might come across a bug which someone has already checked and they did see some sensitive data and just left it private with no comment.  If they would set a "confirmed private" tag or something then I wouldn't bother with that part.
[01:06] <bdmurray> greg-g: no there isn't, that's interesting
[01:08] <bdmurray> greg-g: maybe we could use a bug tag for that
[01:08] <greg-g> bdmurray: it isn't a huge deal at the moment, I was just thinking out loud
[01:08] <greg-g> yeah, already implemented, easy
[01:09] <bdmurray> do you have an idea of how many privates there are at the moment?
[01:09] <greg-g> I do not
[01:09] <greg-g> I just come across them during the pre-canned searches
[01:10] <bdmurray> right
[01:13] <bdmurray> I'm not even sure it is easily queryable
[01:13] <greg-g> yeah, not in advanced search
[01:19] <greg-g> what package are hotkey issues assigned to?
[01:20] <greg-g> hotkey-setup
[01:20] <bdmurray> it depends really
[01:22] <greg-g> I thought it would be linux for bug 199682
[01:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199682 in ubuntu "Asus F5N laptop Special keys not working with asus-laptop kernel module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199682
[01:24] <bdmurray> Well, the package would be linux-source-2.6.22 but the kernel is right.
[01:24] <greg-g> right right
[01:24] <bdmurray> It looks like we ship that module and they should really test with Hardy
[01:25]  * greg-g nods
[01:29] <blueyed> regarding add-5-a-day, would it be a better default to not commit/update, if this has been done in the last hour?
[05:54] <secretlondon> It's a great feeling to close multiple bugs fixed by something you did :)
[06:59] <fishor> Hi all! do some body know, will SCIM in hardy replace keyboard applet ?
[07:00] <secretlondon> no idea, sorry
[07:01] <secretlondon> ubuntu+1 might know
[07:06] <fishor> i have issue with russian layout, so i do not knwo where to assign this bug
[07:07] <secretlondon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKeyboardDetection might help
[07:09] <fishor> not really, this is not the hardware issue
[07:12] <secretlondon> I don't know, tbh
[07:15] <fishor> bdmurray: hi Brian! do you know some thing about SCIM? If you still wake
[09:06] <Iulian> G'morning.
[11:01] <fishor> morning
[11:31] <Knightlust> i miss ubotu... heh
[11:34] <Iulian> I don't. It's in #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[11:47] <Seveas> Knightlust, ubotu's still here ;)
[11:48] <Seveas> !hi | Knightlust
[11:48] <ubotu> Knightlust: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-bugs!
[11:48] <Knightlust> Seveas: hehe, it's just that im used to seeing new bugs here.. i'll need to get used to seeing new bugs at announce
[11:56] <afflux> morning
[12:08] <milos_> can someone help me, i have a problem with debugging
[12:18] <geser> milos_: what kind of problem?
[12:19] <milos_> geser: what package I need to install: Loaded symbols for /lib/libthread_db.so.1
[12:19] <milos_> (no debugging symbols found)
[12:19] <milos_> 0xffffe410 in __kernel_vsyscall ()
[12:20] <milos_> i have searched with synaptic but don't find anything similar with libthread
[12:24] <geser> milos_: dpkg -S /lib/libthread_db.so.1 gives libc6
[12:25] <geser> so you need the debugging symbols for libc6
[12:25] <geser> but usually the error lies before libc6 like a wrong call of a libc6 function
[12:26] <milos_> ok, because i have libc6 installed(-dbg, -dev....)
[12:27] <milos_> thanks
[12:42] <afflux> Which part of the system is responsible for loading snd_ modules?
[12:43] <afflux> Bug 199793 is about snd-hda-intel which doesn't seem to be loaded automatically
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199793 in ubuntu "8.10 Alpha 6: No sound with ALC883" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199793
[12:44] <afflux> (at least I think so, but it could be a problem with wrong module options too)
[15:14] <bddebian> Boo
[15:48] <askand> Hi, If I write in terminal for example "sudo apti" and then press tab to autocomplete, it doesnt work.. can someone confirm that bug?
[16:06] <lfs-livecd> heya
[16:07] <lfs-livecd> :(
[19:08] <afflux> anyone able to open bug 199911?
[19:08] <ubotu> Bug 199911 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/199911 is private
[19:18] <greg-g> I am not, it must be uber-private
[19:18] <qense> it probably containst an apport report
[19:18] <greg-g> I am allowed to see those reports
[19:18] <qense> oh
[19:19] <greg-g> yeah, weird
[19:19] <greg-g> anywho, gotta run, later
[19:20] <qense> bye
[19:20] <afflux> qense: me too
[19:20] <afflux> that's why I wonder
[19:20] <qense> oh
[19:22] <andrea-bs> maybe a security bug?
[19:22] <afflux> qense: It was filed because I asked for another crash report in bug 190428, so this is definetly a ubuntu bug, so ubuntu-bugcontrol *should* have access
[19:22] <afflux> are security bugs private and invisible for -bugcontrol?
[19:23] <andrea-bs> I am not sure
[19:23] <qense> I think if it are major security issues there is a change that that could be
[19:23] <afflux> me neither.
[19:23] <afflux> anyway, dinner now.
[19:23] <qense> there is a specila ubuntu securtiy team
[19:23] <qense> have a nice dinner :)
[19:24] <afflux> ty :)
[19:25] <andrea-bs> bug 152060 is a security issue
[19:25] <andrea-bs> I'm the submitter so I can view it
[19:27] <qense> how do you mark yourself as away in XCHat?
[19:28] <andrea-bs> /away Message
[19:29] <qense> ok
[19:29] <qense> and how do you return?
[19:29] <qense> just post something?
[19:29] <andrea-bs> /back
[19:30] <qense> ok, thx
[19:30] <andrea-bs> you're welcome
[19:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 190428 in emerald "emerald crashed on "alt-tab" windows switching" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/190428
[19:54] <ubotu> Bug 152060 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/152060 is private
[19:55] <qense> why does that bug appears here?
[19:56] <afflux> guess ubotu hat a huge lag
[19:56] <afflux> I mentioned that one about 30 minutes ago
[19:57] <andrea-bs> afflux: can you view bug 152060?
[19:57] <ubotu> Bug 152060 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/152060 is private
[19:58] <afflux> no.
[19:58] <andrea-bs> so, qense, your bug is a security bug ;)
[19:58] <afflux> it was mine ;)
[19:59] <andrea-bs> oh, sorry
[20:00] <afflux> okay, I told the reporter to unmark it as a security issue since it's supposed to be about a crashing emerald
[20:00] <afflux> anyway, I'm off for a pioneers game ;)
[20:02] <warren_> hi
[20:02] <qense> hello
[20:02] <warren_> can someone have a look at this bug: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/164/  ?
[20:02] <warren_> eurm no sorry
[20:03] <warren_> this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdebi/+bug/156031
[20:03] <warren_> ^^
[20:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156031 in gdebi "Kubuntu - GDebi fails to install .deb package" [Undecided,New]
[20:04] <qense> it can be confirmed I think, since two people are having the same problem
[20:05] <andrea-bs> it's not a gdebi issue
[20:05] <andrea-bs> python-kde3: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/kparts.so
[20:06] <warren_> erm
[20:06] <warren_> an issue with what then?
[20:06] <warren_> python, kparts?
[20:06] <andrea-bs> python-kde3
[20:07] <warren_> ok
[20:07] <warren_> and what is the problem?
[20:07] <andrea-bs> I don't know
[20:08] <warren_> ok
[20:08] <andrea-bs> I'm a gnome user
[20:08] <andrea-bs> ;)
[20:08] <warren_> ^^
[20:08] <warren_> i was ;)
[20:09] <qense> so the bug needs to be reassigned to another package and after you know the version or their python-kde3 copy it can be confirmed  I think
[20:10] <warren_> owkay
[20:10] <andrea-bs> yeah, qense
[20:10] <qense> if the developers need more information they can ask for it, but if you don't confim the bug they'll never look at it
[20:11] <qense> and that would be a waste of the bug report
[20:11] <andrea-bs> I think the bug needs debugging symbols
[20:11] <andrea-bs> I have to check
[20:12] <qense> maybe they have to try to reproduce the bug while gdebi is in verbose mode?
[20:13] <andrea-bs> no, because we have a complete backtrace
[20:14] <qense> yeah, the backtrace is quite complete
[20:14] <andrea-bs> warren_: can you reproduce the bug?
[20:17] <warren_> what do you mean?
[20:17] <warren_> yes
[20:18] <andrea-bs> can I ask you some questions?
[20:18] <warren_> yes
[20:20] <warren_> ??
[20:20] <andrea-bs> type this command please:
[20:20] <andrea-bs> python -c "from kparts import konsolePart,TerminalInterface"
[20:21] <warren_> yes
[20:21] <andrea-bs> does it show some errors?
[20:21] <warren_> no
[20:21] <warren_> by doing this command?
[20:21] <andrea-bs> yes
[20:21] <warren_> no
[20:22] <andrea-bs> ok, now run
[20:22] <andrea-bs> python -c "from GDebi.GDebiKDE import GDebiKDE"
[20:22] <warren_> in root or not?
[20:22] <andrea-bs> not
[20:22] <warren_> ok
[20:22] <andrea-bs> errors?
[20:22] <warren_> did both
[20:23] <warren_> no
[20:23] <andrea-bs> ok, that's a gdebi issue, I was wrong
[20:23] <warren_> :p
[20:23] <andrea-bs> thanks for your help
[20:23] <warren_> no problem
[20:24] <warren_> but someone said me last time that it worked on his installaion
[20:24] <warren_> but i'm not the only one :s
[20:25] <warren_> http://pastebin.ca/934387
[20:25] <warren_> this is the log
[20:25] <warren_> but when launching gdebi-kde in terminal it works a bit further without exiting but doenst' install at all
[20:26] <andrea-bs> how did you obtain the log you have pasted?
[20:27] <warren_> sudo gdebi-kde package.deb &> /home/Me/log
[20:28] <andrea-bs> it's different from the one attached in the bug
[20:28] <warren_> hm
[21:06] <nixternal> bdmurray: you around right now?
[21:06] <nixternal> anyone here using editmoin?
[21:12] <jjesse> good news is that i'm finding less and less in the amount of bugs i actually know how to troubleshoot
[21:12] <jjesse> i wonder if that is a good sign
[21:12] <nixternal> always :)
[21:12] <nixternal> I am trying to figure out this damn editmoin and getting it configured with the wiki
[21:13] <jjesse> ah never used editmoin
[21:28] <pochu> nixternal: 'man editmoin' has good documentation ;)
[21:28] <nixternal> I got that much, but I can't figure out the cookie crap
[21:28] <nixternal> I don't have any id's similar to the one listed in the manpage
[21:30] <jjesse> nixternal: of course if the documentation isn't good enough you could always update it to make it better
[21:30] <jjesse> :)
[21:30] <nixternal> I think I am on to something now
[21:30] <pochu> nixternal: firefox?
[21:31] <nixternal> oh no, I don't mess with that evilness :)
[21:31] <pochu> then I don't think I can help you :P
[21:32] <pochu_> hi
[21:32] <pochu> bye
[21:32] <pochu_> :)
[21:32] <nixternal> b00yah
[21:32] <nixternal> want to know the problem?
[21:33] <nixternal> TYPO!!!
[21:33] <nixternal> haha
[21:33] <jjesse> report a bug on it then ;)
[22:11] <bdmurray> nixternal: what's up?
[22:11] <nixternal> sorry, forgot to tell you to unping there...had a question about editmoin but I figured it out
[22:11] <bdmurray> nixternal: I finally caught up, I'm glad it is working for you now.
[23:11] <darx> hi how can i install the sysprof-module? sysprof needs it. I'm trying to help with this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/199860
[23:12] <darx> would I have to build it from source?
[23:15] <afflux> good night
[23:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199860 in yelp "High CPU usage by yelp" [Medium,Incomplete]


[10:56] <slyon> @pilot in
[15:00] <lvoytek> @pilot in
[15:09] <bdrung> sarnold, re dracut: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-August/042752.html is an unrelated proposal where vorlon and me raised concerns.
[15:17] <slyon> @pilot out
[19:00] <lvoytek> @pilot out
[19:05] <sarnold> bdrung: excellent, thanks :)


[10:58] <linux> Hi.
[10:58] <linux> Wifi is dropping me every hours because of the timeout is over. In /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf the value of wifi.powersave = 2. What should I do more. It makes me mad.
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:15] <user|30> when is the next LTS release?
[14:17] <oerheks> next year
[19:56] <cbreak> I've switched to a new provider, which caused me to lose my public ipv4 address. But I gained a whole /64 in ipv6 land.
[19:57] <cbreak> how can I add an additional static IPv6 address to my primary interface in addition to the dynamic privacy randomized one?
[19:58] <cbreak> (I know how to do it with netplan, but it seems ubuntu / kde is set up to use NetworkManager)
[19:58] <oerheks> i bet you can lock a ipv6 on your mac, in your router
[20:00] <cbreak> it does stateless autoconf
[20:02] <cbreak> I unfortunately have two routers, the one from my provider (a cable modem router combo) and my actual router. But you're right, I could probably convince the second one to do static assignment
[20:04] <oerheks> preferred way, i say
[20:05] <oerheks> but one should be able to override in NM
[20:05] <oerheks> new profile, etc
[20:05] <cbreak> I can set everything manually there
[20:06] <cbreak> but there doesn't seem to be an option to do auto conf + additional ip
[20:13] <cbreak> I don't think I did that correctly :)
[20:13] <cbreak> neither of the two routers does static ipv6 assignment, just ipv4
[20:14] <cbreak> (I'm not sure I can set the inner router to do anything other than ipv6 passthrough without proper network / routing config either)
[20:23] <oerheks> cheap router, i guess
[20:24] <oerheks> cheap solution to translate 4 to 6
[20:25] <cbreak> this is native 6
[20:25] <cbreak> but it's fairly old
[20:26] <cbreak> RT-AC86U. Still works very well.
[20:27] <cbreak> (admittedly, ipv6 is also really old)
[20:29] <oerheks> well, the advantages with streaming is awesome, a relief
[20:29] <oerheks> * to ipv4
[20:30] <oerheks> also possible to use awesome ipv6 naming
[20:30] <oerheks> “1:see:bad:c0de”
[20:31] <oerheks> and all the coffee ones
[20:32] <oerheks> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9401
[20:32] <oerheks> oops, sorry
[20:36] <cbreak> cost me two hours to fix my lxc containers to work again after the switch...
[20:37] <cbreak> the main problem was that I used wireguard inside and that thing didn't work with ipv6 until I upgraded the container to 22.04...
[20:38] <oerheks> expensive time, make it work for you .
[20:52]  * genii hears something about coffee and scrolls back, then returns to work
[20:54] <oerheks> !coffee genii work
[23:22] <user|38> hello there people, will Kubuntu be compatible with Intel NUC 11 Enthusiast ?
[23:23] <user|38> Secure Boot ON, Nvidia 3rd party driver etc


[01:35] <mybalzitch> the one that unlocks the other passwords
[02:07] <enigma9o7[m]> If you've forgotten your user password, you can get root shell from grub and set it.
 Hiii
 I wanna ask why my kubuntu 22.04 freezes in between?
[09:17] <iomari891> Greetings, after updating and upgrading my 21.10, I get this when I try to upgrade to 22.04: Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[09:18] <iomari891> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[11:46] <valuial> HI. Since my last update on impish KMail now version 5.18.1 (21.08.1) stopped sending emails. They stay in outbox indefinitely. I also not getting any error messages. How can I troubleshoot and find out why?
 Hey guys ! Do you know how to fix theme bug ? I've tried to install theme on fresh kubuntu 22 using this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4yPm9s3KVg&t=1509s, but it end out bugging. I started with installation of global theme "Monterey", but some modules didn't work. Reboot fixed most of them, but not cursors. First it didn't show up in list. Then I opened it in store, and surprisingly it was already installed. I deleted it with button, an
 Hey guys ! Do you know how to fix theme bug ? I've tried to install theme on fresh kubuntu 22 using this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4yPm9s3KVg&t=1509s, but it end out bugging. I started with installation of global theme "Monterey", but some modules didn't work. Reboot fixed most of them, but not cursors. First it didn't show up in list. Then I opened it in store, and surprisingly it was already installed. I deleted it with button, an
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:38] <mcox> Hi
 hello
 Please help , if I click on Firefox browser on kubuntu 22.04 it won't launch
 Me too (re @Udit2050: Hiii
 I wanna ask why my kubuntu 22.04 freezes in between?)
[13:37] <BluesKaj> @kgarba, does it launch from the terminal?
 No, from desktop
[13:38] <BluesKaj> try launching from the terminal to see what errors, if any
 Okay thanks
[14:00] <yossarianuk> Have to say the upgrade from 21.10 -> 22.04 was mainly painless and I have a more responsive desktop now - but a few warnings ... Due to the move to openssl3 various work things broke for me
[14:00] <yossarianuk> i.e i was unable to access aws codecommit
[14:01] <yossarianuk> I needed to add (this may help someone)
[14:01] <yossarianuk> PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms +ssh-rsa
[14:01] <yossarianuk> HostkeyAlgorithms +ssh-rsa
[14:01] <yossarianuk> to my ssh config for codecommit
[14:01] <yossarianuk> also all my openvpn profiles broke
[14:01] <yossarianuk> (due to our user certs being sha1..)
[14:02] <yossarianuk> (after regenerating them to sha256 they were ok)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> not using wireguard protocol yet?
[14:02] <yossarianuk> also - i was unable to extract cert/key from our .p12 bundles
[14:02] <yossarianuk> i needed to add -legacy to openssl command to do so ...
[14:02] <yossarianuk> this may help someone ...
[14:03] <yossarianuk> aside from those work related issues 22.04 is really nice  (and everything is working now)
[14:03] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: not for our work system yet ...
[14:03] <yossarianuk> * system(s) *
[14:03] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:04] <yossarianuk> i was surpised to find out that Arch still is on openssl 1.1.x
[14:05] <yossarianuk> so a fairly brave move to go to 3.x
[14:07] <yossarianuk> (I know if was Ubuntu's decision ...)
[15:08] <RikMills> yossarianuk: I imaging supporting 1.1 for 5 years on the LTS, + 5 years ESM was not a nice prospect
[15:08] <RikMills> imagine
[15:10] <yossarianuk> RikMills: Yes I can see that , just suprised Arch is still on openssl 1.1.x, and Fedora... Rhel9 will still use openssl 1.x also i believe (supported past 2030..)
[18:36] <aleksey_> хочу в разработчики убунту
[18:36] <aleksey_> куда обратиться
[18:36] <aleksey_> со спонсорами
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> !ru | aleksey_
[18:56] <aleksey_> п
[18:56] <aleksey_> ))
[19:20] <user|84> hi :D
[19:20] <user|84> i have a problem... when I go to sleep mode, my pc crashes, delete the session and goes to login screen.... how can I find which service crashed?
[19:22] <Guest47> test


[00:23] <_marx_> well i think i like the classic better
[00:24] <_marx_> have to try w/vbox running see if there are display oddities
[00:24] <Italian_Plumber> is there some magic I need to do so that Ubuntu doesn't take up gobs and gobs of CPU time when copying, moving, or deleting files?  Even on a headless system, just deleting a bunch of files has bumped my load average to close to "3".
[00:26] <_marx_> Italian_Plumber: i've only seen that when using nautilus
[00:26] <Italian_Plumber> hmm
[00:27] <_marx_> you mean between hosts?
[00:27] <Italian_Plumber> no ... on the local hd
[00:28] <Italian_Plumber> well it's coming down now.  it's still been close to 2 for the last 10 minutes
[00:29] <_marx_> 2%?
[00:29] <Italian_Plumber> no .. the load average... the 10 minute load average is 1.87
[00:29] <Italian_Plumber> and it's taken about that long to delete all these files.
[00:30] <Italian_Plumber> now it's done and then 1 minute load average is plummetting
[00:30] <_marx_> top htop
[00:31] <Italian_Plumber> hmm... must be something else... now it's creeping back up again and it's done deleting the files.
[00:32]  * _marx_ fixin' to move a devel drupal site from vbox server to iron server
[00:33] <_marx_> this will also test for display garbage on natty classic
[00:34] <_marx_> using vbox on unity i have black blocks and distorted alt text on the launcher
[00:45] <_marx_> Italian_Plumber: what were you using to monitor load?
[00:49] <Italian_Plumber> top
[00:49] <Italian_Plumber> and w
[00:53] <Italian_Plumber> I think that other factors were in play though, since the load was still high even after the copying was done.
[01:20] <marco_polo> date
[01:29] <marco_polo> ah, don't know how to reconnect to a byobu session
[15:13] <holstein> unity in the house? !!
[15:16]  * holstein is looking for a nice dual head card
[15:16] <holstein> any suggestions?
[15:16] <holstein> gaming is not important
[15:16] <holstein> if there were an intel PCIe graphics card
[15:16] <holstein> id get it
[15:17] <holstein> i just need something preferebly out of the box easy
[15:17] <holstein> maybe with 3d supported by the open driver
[15:17] <holstein> dual vga out
[15:17] <holstein> PCIe
[15:19]  * holstein looking @ http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames
[16:03] <junior_> ello all
[16:04] <holstein> junior_: o/
[16:05] <junior_> i come in hopes of getting some help with unbuntu. i have a gateway dx 4200 and want to install ubuntu as a dual boot.
[16:06] <holstein> cool
[16:06] <holstein> junior_: what are you planning on installing?
[16:06] <holstein> 10.04?
[16:06] <holstein> 11.04?
[16:07] <junior_> 11.04
[16:07] <holstein> have you downloaded an image?
[16:07] <holstein> and burned it?
[16:07] <junior_> yes and made a bootable usb
[16:08] <holstein> junior_: with unetbootin?
[16:09] <junior_> i boot from usb and i get a sceen asking me if i want to run from usb install ubuntu to a hard drive , memory check and i forget the other option. i select install ubuntu to a drive and it goes to a black screen and runs a series of checks and what not after a few minutes i get a total black screen with no typing or anything
[16:09] <holstein> junior_: have you tried it live?
[16:10] <holstein> you should always try it live first
[16:10] <junior_> it wont try live either
[16:10] <holstein> thats a great and easy troubleshooting step
[16:10] <holstein> right
[16:10] <holstein> SO
[16:10] <holstein> thats what you need to troubleshoot
[16:10] <holstein> THEN, you'll know how to install
[16:10] <junior_> ive tryed live and it wont boot into ubuntu
[16:10] <holstein> junior_: right
[16:10] <holstein> i got it :)
[16:11] <holstein> SO, let me make a few suggestions
[16:11] <holstein> because, you'll need to figure out how to get the live environment booted
[16:11] <holstein> then, insatlling will be easier
[16:11] <holstein> junior_: did you make the USB with unetbootin?
[16:12] <junior_> i used the universal usb installer from the ubuntu download page
[16:12] <holstein> OK
[16:12] <holstein> while its booting up
[16:13] <holstein> you want to try and get to the old splash screen
[16:13] <holstein> where you can hit F4 i think it is
[16:13] <holstein> and try selecting nomodeset
[16:14] <holstein> if i were you
[16:14] <holstein> i would DL the 10.04 LTS image
[16:14] <holstein> burn an actual CD
[16:14] <holstein> and try that live
[16:14] <holstein> when its booting you can hit shift
[16:15] <holstein> and get to those options
[16:15] <junior_> ok ill have to run to the store quickly for sum blanks. cd or dvd ?
[16:16] <holstein> cd
[16:16] <holstein> you can try the USB boot
[16:16] <holstein> i would use unetbootin*
[16:16] <holstein> *should* work fine
[16:17] <junior_> 10.04 lts is the version i should select for download?
[16:17] <holstein> thats up to you
[16:17] <holstein> BUT, thats what i would do
[16:18] <junior_> should i go with 32 bit or 64 bit. i have a amd phenom 9550 quad core 64 bit
[16:18] <holstein> thats up to you too
[16:18] <holstein> i have both
[16:18] <holstein> not really any deal breakers anyways
[16:19] <holstein> if you have 4+gb's of ram
[16:19] <holstein> you probably want the 64
[16:19] <junior_> ok let me ask this. when i run 32 bit windows the os only sees half of my ram. will 32bit ubuntu do the same?
[16:19] <holstein> you can use a PAE kernel
[16:19] <holstein> in 32bit
[16:19] <holstein> *assuming the motherboard supports it
[16:19] <holstein> and it probably does
[16:20] <holstein> i would just go 64
[16:20] <junior_> ok so i selected 1.01_Live_x64  from the drop down on unetbootin
[16:20] <holstein> ?
[16:20] <holstein> i wouldnt
[16:20] <junior_> 10.04
[16:20] <holstein> i would just go DL the image
[16:20] <holstein> and point unet to it
[16:20] <holstein> manually
[16:20] <junior_> ok
[16:21] <holstein> but, eitherway will probably be fine*
[16:21] <junior_> im d/l from ubuntu site 10.04 lts 64bit
[16:22] <holstein> junior_: thats what i would try next
[16:22] <holstein> if i were you
[16:22] <holstein> i think you'll have a better chance of troubleshooting that installation
[16:24] <junior_> see i think i my hard drive may have a problem in the boot sector of my hard drive. i went through i little spat with a keylogger infection on my system and reformatted and reinstalled windows probably 10 in 1 weekend about 2 weeks ago. i canstantly get blue sceens when i reboot
[16:24] <holstein> junior_: you should test that
[16:24] <holstein> but, you should be able to get to a desktop
[16:24] <holstein> from the live CD
[16:24] <holstein> thats with the hard drive unplugged even*
[16:25] <holstein> that'll give you an idea of what all hardware is supported
[16:25] <holstein> so you dont get surprised after you install it
[16:25] <holstein> i see that all the time
[16:25] <holstein> ' i wiped windows and install ubuntu'
[16:25] <holstein> and x doesnt work
[16:25] <holstein> and i ask how did it run live
[16:25] <holstein> and i get *crikets*
[16:26] <holstein> its too easy not to use that as a troubleshooting step
[16:26] <holstein> there is a disk utility in the ubuntu menu
[16:27] <holstein> you can use that live*
[16:27] <holstein> i also use http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[16:27] <holstein> to test hard drivers
[16:27] <holstein> and other hardware
[16:27] <holstein> you'll want to sort that out before installing ubuntu i say
[16:27] <holstein> i mean, ubuntu is great
[16:27] <holstein> but its not magic
[16:27] <holstein> if you have a bad hard driver
[16:27] <holstein> if you have a bad hard drive*
[16:27] <holstein> you'll want to diagnose, and repair/replace
[16:30] <junior_> what should i use to burn the iso to a disk?
[16:31] <junior_> im on windows 7. just right click the iso and burn?
[16:32] <holstein> junior_: you want to copy the disc image
[16:32] <holstein> i dont know about win7
[16:32] <holstein> but just make sure your not burning a date disc
[16:32] <holstein> with the image
[16:32] <holstein> you need to copy the disc
[16:32] <holstein> with the iso image as the source
[16:32] <holstein> junior_: unetbootin will work though
[16:34] <junior_> unetbootin is only giving me usb options
[16:34] <holstein> right...
[16:34] <holstein> you can use unetbootin to make a bootable USB stick
[16:34] <holstein> if you dont have discs
[16:34] <holstein> you dont *have* to run out and buy discs
[16:35] <holstein> unless its just not working well
[16:35] <holstein> usb boo*
[16:35] <holstein> anyways... im running out
[16:35] <holstein> try #ubuntu-beginners if you need some help
[16:35] <holstein> and no one is around
[16:35] <holstein> junior_: are you near asheville?
[16:35] <holstein> - hit me up if you are, and cant sort out the issues...
[16:36] <holstein> mikeh789 "at the gmail" .com
[16:36] <junior_> ok i just got an error  sevnz.exe      there is no dosk in the drive please insert a disk into drive \device\harddisk2\dr2
[16:39] <junior_> k nvm i selected the wrong drive label for the usb
[16:45] <junior_> ok its done making the bootable usb... i reboot and hit f4 or hold shift??
[19:13] <junior_> hello
[22:33] <junior> im having trouble with my ubuntu install and i cant seen to find anything to help in the support pages
[23:04]  * _marx_ has read some scrollback
[23:09] <_marx_> wellhell display analomy  in "classic" as well when using vbox; guess 2 G ram just isn't enough
[23:09] <holstein> _marx_: what about unity-2d ?
[23:11] <_marx_> haven't tried that; i suspect low ram to video, intel on mobo video
[23:11] <_marx_> or something in virtualbox
[23:12] <_marx_> both are fine until i use vbox
[23:15] <holstein> junior: you get sorted?
[23:15] <junior> yes and no lol
[23:15] <junior> im running live right now so thats a plus
[23:16]  * _marx_ saw junior johnson the other day :))
[23:16] <holstein> yeah
[23:16] <holstein> thats a step in the right direction... need to reboot
[23:16] <_marx_> i'll stick to my day job
[23:16] <holstein> im juggling some data today
[23:16] <holstein> got some new hard drives :)
[23:16] <holstein> BRB..
[23:20] <junior> insread of trying to go through install ubuntu side by side with windows i got a spare hard drive i had laying around disconnected the one with windows on it and proceeded to install buntu 10.04 ltsbut when it trys to boot from the hard drive i get an error saying theres no bootable media what not. i will note that im running live from the usb and when i click the install ubuntu icon on desktop it recognizes an install of ubuntu
[23:29] <_marx_> junior: pata or sata
[23:30] <junior> its an ata hard drive out of an older machie
[23:30] <junior> machine*
[23:30] <holstein> cool
[23:30] <holstein> now you dont have to worry about ruining data
[23:31] <holstein> takes a long time to format a TB drive :/
[23:38] <holstein> junior: if you can, go and get the exact error
[23:38] <holstein> and we can look it up
[23:40] <junior> it doesn't give me an "error code" i go into boot menu and select the hard and it get a message saying theres nothing bootable on that disk to insert bootable media and reboot
[23:41] <junior> wow im trying really hard to spell correctly and i end up looking like i dont know how to speak english
[23:46] <holstein> junior: hehe
[23:46] <holstein> well, get the exact sentence
[23:46] <holstein> like 'no bootable media'
[23:46] <holstein> whatever
[23:47] <holstein> double check in the bios
[23:47] <junior> i can take a pic with my phone?
[23:47] <junior> lol
[23:47] <holstein> make sure that HD is the first boot
[23:47] <junior> ok will do
[23:47] <junior> brb
[23:47] <holstein> junior: whatever it takes :)


[23:28] <Linkandzelda> How would I go about changing the theme of the notifcation bubbles?
[23:28] <wyclif> chaospsychex: 17GB
[23:29] <chaospsychex> wyclif: um, no. the WHOLE drive
[23:29] <escott> wyclif, it sounds like there is no unused space on the system. you could perhaps steal the swap space though. swapoff /dev/sdX# and then put dd the iso into that partition
[23:29] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, is it possible to drag and drop from /usr/share/applications >>> chromium web browser into the tmpfs in ram and have it all run in ram??
[23:30] <Aethelred> I'm attempting to upgrade from grub to grub2. I'm following the instructions here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Upgrading  ... and what I'm seeing has diverged from what the guide says. I'm not sure what to do next.
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> !info s steal the swap space though. swapoff /dev/sdX# and the
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> oh jeez
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> sorry
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: that won't work, you need to link the cache folder to a folder in tempfs
[23:31] <escott> wyclif, but if you paste the full output of parted -l we can tell you for sure
[23:31] <wyclif> chaospsychex: escott: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333536
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: the file in /usr/share/applications is mothing but a launcher, like a shortcut or start menu item in Windows
[23:32] <escott> wyclif, what in blazes....
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> s1lence: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rxvt-unicode&searchon=names&suite=quantal&section=all   why do you need a PPA?
[23:32] <escott> wyclif, i guess this is your scsi raid being stupid and reporting multiple disks instead of a single logical disk?
[23:32] <chaospsychex> wyclif: 0.o ?
[23:33] <chaospsychex> yes, big problem there
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> s1lence: or am I missing something?
[23:34] <wyclif> escott: I don't know why it repeats the entries like that. I did paste the full return from parted -l
[23:34] <chaospsychex> wyclif: g2g,escott has you covered
[23:34] <raymondjtoth_> how i upghrade to ubuntu on desktop with out losing any thing i got now
[23:34] <raymondjtoth_> |
[23:34] <escott> wyclif, yeah thats not correct. no tool should be able to access independently the disks in the raid
[23:34] <raymondjtoth_> ?
[23:34] <raymondjtoth_> im on windows now
[23:34] <escott> wyclif, im not sure what to tell you to do. i would worry that the commands i might give you could corrupt your existing system
[23:34] <Rockpile> hello how is everyone doing
[23:35] <OerHeks> raymondjtoth_, make a backup first to be sure.
[23:35] <raymondjtoth_> OerHeks: ok then what i do
[23:35] <raymondjtoth_> i dont want to formate
[23:35] <OerHeks> raymondjtoth_, then upgrade ?
[23:35] <dsprc> !away | atrius_away
[23:35] <raymondjtoth_> OerHeks: imwn windows want to migrate to ubuntu
[23:36] <MarcN> Asking again, had some network issues.  Since upgrading to 12.10, f-spot takes about 5 seconds to display photos on an external USB disk.  Seems slower than in 12.04.  Any one see worse USB mass storage performance?  Think f-spot is same version...
[23:36] <wyclif> escott: chaospsychex: I'm guessing it's because you can terminate up to 15 devices on a SCSI bus, but in fact on this system the only devices are the HDD (shown) and the CDROM drive
[23:36] <OerHeks> raymondjtoth_, then go for install, you cannot upgrade windows to ubuntu.
[23:36] <raymondjtoth_> OerHeks: ok how i keep ubuntu and never see windows agen
[23:36] <raymondjtoth_> \
[23:36] <raymondjtoth_> ?
[23:37] <s1lence> ActionParsnip: thanks
[23:37] <OerHeks> raymondjtoth_, so you want to delete windows and keep ubuntu?
[23:37] <raymondjtoth_> no i want to keep the files i got now and move over to ubuntu
[23:38] <raymondjtoth_> with out a formate
[23:38] <escott> wyclif, so you evidently have (or intend to have RAID) so all the file access should be running through a /dev/md* device which the scsi controller should duplicate to the different disks
[23:38] <escott> wyclif, the fact that parted can see the different disks in the RAID array is VERY VERY VERY BAD BAD BAD
[23:39] <raymondjtoth_> OerHeks:  understand
[23:39] <OerHeks> raymondjtoth_, i don't understand what you want.
[23:39] <wyclif> escott: great :( do you know how I can fix that?
[23:39] <ActionParsnip> escott: how bad again (haha jk)
[23:39] <escott> wyclif, because you should NOT be doing anything with /dev/sda but rather be running everything through /dev/md
[23:39] <raymondjtoth_> OerHeks: i want to keep filess i got here on windows and just install as upgrade to ubuntu withg out lossing files
[23:40] <escott> wyclif, so i would recommend you back everything up first
[23:40] <wyclif> escott: i assumed /dev/sda is how all SCSI devices are set up
[23:40] <wyclif> escott: I backed everything up about an hour ago, so I'm good with that
[23:41] <escott> wyclif, /dev/sda is a real physical disk that actually exists. /dev/md* is a multi-device which could hit multiple physical disks like /sda, /sdb etc
[23:41] <wyclif> escott: yep, /dev/sda is my HDD here
[23:41] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, so i create a symlink to the tmpfs from the .cache folder, what needs to go into the .cache folder to make it work properly?
[23:41] <gustav__> Can you set up a /dev/md with a RAM disk too?
[23:41] <escott> wyclif, what does "swapon -s" show
[23:42] <escott> wyclif, but im also seeing this /dev/sdb is that also a physical disk that exists?
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: i'm not sure what folder chromium uses, but if you make a folder in tempfs you can link it to that
[23:42] <wyclif> escott: /dev/sdo5
[23:42] <escott> wyclif, ditto on sdc - sdl or whatever
[23:42] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, ok thanks
[23:42] <escott> wyclif, so swapon -s only shows sdo5?
[23:42] <wyclif> escott: could that be the CDROM drive?
[23:43] <wyclif> escott: yes
[23:43] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: as its tempfs the changes are lost each reboot so you'll need to recreat it with /etc/rc.local and because that runs as root, you will need to chown it to your username
[23:43] <escott> wyclif, no. sdo5 should really be the same as sda5 and sdb5 and so on
[23:43] <escott> wyclif, thats what is scaring me
[23:43] <wyclif> escott: the only two devices on this SCSI bus are the Seagate HDD and the CDROM drive.
[23:44] <escott> wyclif, so the scsi controller is doing something all kinds of wrong, because thats not what it is telling the kernel. the kernel thinks you have a dozen disks in this system
[23:45] <wyclif> escott: right, instead of sda-o
[23:45] <wyclif> escott: so I'm wondering how to fix that. BTW, I do have access to the BIOS and the SCSI BIOS, and thought all the settings there are good
[23:46] <wyclif> escott: yes, at post it tells me "too many devices terminated" but it will still boot ubuntu jaunty from the HDD
[23:46] <ng0n> anyone here built vga plug dongles to run X with no screen ?
[23:47] <jonne> can anyone help me out with installing quantal on a zenbook ux32a?
[23:47] <escott> wyclif, also the fact that you are on grub1 means im not sure we can do what we proposed
[23:48] <SunMoonStar> guys, as some know I want to make a shared partition ntfs for windows and ubuntu to share files. currently i have one big ntfs block only as i'm running ubuntu on wubi. So, when i install ubuntu and my shared parition, should they be encapsulated in one 'extended' partition? or should I just simply make 2 totally separate partitions for them?
[23:48] <escott> wyclif, looking at http://superuser.com/questions/154133/grub-boot-from-iso
[23:48] <jonne> even with nomodeset it wont boot
[23:48] <ActionParsnip> jonne: what video chip do you use
[23:49] <escott> SunMoonStar, either way is fine. windows doesnt always like booting from an extended partition but ubuntu doesnt care if it is extended
[23:49] <jonne> it's an intel hd 4000
[23:49] <escott> jonne, what version of ubuntu
[23:49] <jonne> quantal
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> jonne: strange, does Precise intall ok?
[23:49] <escott> jonne, sorry just saw it. you shouldn't be having any problems or need nomodeset
[23:50] <SunMoonStar> escott: since extended is an extra step, i will not use that
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> jonne: tried the safemode VGA (if its still an option)
[23:50] <SunMoonStar> escott: since they are equally fine. makes sense?
[23:50] <SunMoonStar> escott: b/c i don't know what's the advantage
[23:50] <escott> SunMoonStar, sure. just be aware of the 4 partition limit on logicals, and that you will need a partition for ubuntu swap
[23:50] <OerHeks> jonne, answe #7 maybe the solution >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2060762 >>>  change "nomodeset"  to "acpi_osi=windows"
[23:50] <ng0n> anyone here built vga plug dongles to run X with no screen ?
[23:50] <Guest8764> hola alguien sabe como haker una cuenta de faceboock
[23:50] <jonne> it just stopped at stopping systemv runlevel compatibility
[23:50] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, this is what came up for chromium>>> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1333562/ i woulnd have a clue what to use
[23:51] <escott> !es | Guest8764
[23:51] <SunMoonStar> escott: okay, thanks
[23:51] <paulschreiber> my grub menu has many duplicate entries: http://pastebin.com/fPu7JCv9 how do i fix this?
[23:51] <ng0n> .2s lag
[23:52] <escott> paulschreiber, i dont see any duplicates
[23:52] <Guest8764> Someone knows like hakear an account of faceboock
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: /home/ace/.cache/chromium
[23:52] <escott> paulschreiber, ahhh just keep scrolling ok
[23:53] <jonne> trying with that boot option now
[23:53] <wyclif> escott: looks like it's not possible via GRUB1
[23:53] <escott> wyclif, or at least not easy :)
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: you only needed to search your home folder, we knew it was going to be in there
[23:53] <OerHeks> Guest8764, hacking is offtopic
[23:53] <Chotaz> Why does Compiz keep crashing after every restart? I just fresh installed ubuntu
[23:53] <ActionParsnip> Chotaz: are you fully updated?
[23:54] <escott> paulschreiber, looks like you have multiple versions of ubuntu installed. is that correct?
[23:54] <Chotaz> ActionParsnip,  yes sir
[23:54] <wyclif> escott: this has been a lesson to me not to let a version go into unsupported without updating :(
[23:54] <ActionParsnip> Just to share with all, if you don't have status or status-old in /var/lib/dpkg   you can copy one from /var/backup
[23:55] <paulschreiber> ecott: no, i just have one ubuntu — 12.10
[23:55] <escott> wyclif, still not understanding why you cant get the EOLUpgrades page to load
[23:55] <escott> wyclif, that would seem to be the easiest way to do things
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> Chotaz: which release?
[23:55] <paulschreiber> escott: there are no other OSes installed
[23:55] <jonne> doesn't appear to work
[23:55] <scott009> n #owncloud
[23:55] <jonne> just got a black screen
[23:55] <escott> paulschreiber, im wondering what could be confusing the os-prober script
[23:55] <WeThePeople> actionparsnip, so i just link to .cache/chromium to tmpfs and it will work??
[23:55] <paulschreiber> escott: me too!
[23:55] <Chotaz> ActionParsnip,  12.10, I came back from a really bad case of using "purge"
[23:56] <wyclif> escott: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUupgrades ???
[23:56] <paulschreiber> escott: my 12.04 -> 12.10 upgrade was botched — the ssh connection died partyway through
[23:56] <escott> paulschreiber, do you have multiple disks? using RAID?
[23:56] <escott> wyclif, yes
[23:56] <jonne> screw it, i'll just keep using windows until i can do it at home.
[23:56] <Linkandzelda> guys my window decorations have gone again lol
[23:56] <paulschreiber> scott: yes, using software raid (mdadm) 2 disks
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: its a link to a folder
[23:56] <jonne> googling stuff on my phone isn't too practical
[23:56] <wyclif> escott: "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates"
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: so you will need to make the folder
[23:57] <escott> paulschreiber, i bet thats the issue
[23:57] <escott> wyclif, odd. certainly not what i see
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> WeThePeople: then make the link to it, add commands in /etc/rc.local to make the same folder and chown to your user at boot
[23:57] <paulschreiber> escott: http://pastebin.com/AkvUaDYS that's my mdstat
[23:57] <escott> wyclif, ok now im getting that too. maybe the help.ubuntu.com server is having problems
[23:58] <OerHeks> wyclif, escott https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades not  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUupgrades ( look at the Uu
[23:58] <wyclif> escott: YES, I think you're right about that, because I remember hitting this page earlier today and there was content.


[10:16] <cmaloney> morning
[12:22] <_stink_> yo
[13:28] <jrwren> anyone have advice on power drivers/drills? I've got a 12yr old driver and the batteries are getting very worn on it. So I was thinking I'd get an impact driver, but I don't want to be in the same situation in 10yrs. Just buy a corded drill? Buy both?
[13:28] <rick_h_> if you don't want a battery issue in 10yr go corded
[13:29] <rick_h_> they just don't last like that, I have to get new batteries every few years
[13:47] <cmaloney> Yeah, I won't buy a cordless drill ever again
[13:48] <cmaloney> They demo nicely, but they don't last
[13:49] <jrwren> alright. that answers that.
[23:57] <Scary_Guy> reddit.com/r/buyitforlife
[23:57] <Scary_Guy> I don't get why they can make shavers with batteries that work when plugged in but not drills.
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> I had a cordless camcorder with a charger that hooked on to the back of it and batteries that hooked on to that (back in the 90's)
[23:58] <Scary_Guy> (from the 80's, was huge and used actual VRC tapes directly)


[00:03] <bryceh> RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso: meeting time?
[00:04] <robert_ancell> yep
[00:04] <RAOF> I believe that it's 9am, yes :)
[00:04] <bryceh> Jason's away to the airport and asked that I chair the meeting today
[00:04] <bryceh> alrighty, robert_ancell want to kick us off?
[00:05] <bryceh> how's lightdm coming?  :-)
[00:05] <robert_ancell> coming along good.  Seems to be working well on most peoples boxes
[00:05] <TheMuso> Sure.
[00:05] <robert_ancell> I believe it just got on the seed and displaced gdm for Oneiric so preparing for floods of reports!
[00:06] <bryceh> sweetness
[00:06] <RAOF> Is the plymouth integration madness hooked up?
[00:07] <robert_ancell> I've implemeted it, and it's working until someone tells me otherwise :)
[00:07] <RAOF> Heh, ok.  Looks like it's time to reboot a box or two :)
[00:08] <bryceh> robert_ancell, saw the discussion about keyboard layout stuff, sounds like you have a sane approach worked out, to the limits of my own keyboard layout knowhow
[00:09] <bryceh> people seem not shy about filing bug reports when keyboard stuff isn't right ;-)
[00:09] <robert_ancell> The next main feature in 0.4.0 will be guest logins and some stuff under the hood to make it more stable (particularly unittests)
[00:09] <robert_ancell> yeah, keyboard/language is a bit of a black art!
[00:10] <bryceh> ok, moving on... TheMuso how's your week been going?
[00:10] <TheMuso> Not too bad, got all of at-spi2 into main as of the next dailies, it should be used by default.
[00:10] <TheMuso> Still doing Qt a11y testing, will be pushing patches for Qt to didrocks by EOW.
[00:11] <TheMuso> And still got to get the qt at-spi bridge uploaded and into main.
[00:11] <TheMuso> Also started working on ubiquity a11y work.
[00:11] <TheMuso> Thats the extent of my week pretty much.
[00:11] <bryceh> cool.  pardon my ignorance, what is at-spi?
[00:11] <bryceh> (just idly curious)
[00:12] <bryceh> ah assistive technology service provider interface
[00:13] <bryceh> TheMuso, ok great
[00:13] <TheMuso> Yeah, its the core API/ipc for getting a11y stuff from apps, and getting it to a screen reader/magnifier etc.
[00:13] <bryceh> RAOF, up to your eyeballs in mesa merging I should guess?
[00:13] <RAOF> Yup.
[00:13] <bryceh> how's that going?
[00:14] <RAOF> Got some nice savings in the gallium drivers by factoring out another shared library.
[00:14] <RAOF> They're now about a third as large (so ~3MB → ~1MB)
[00:14] <bryceh> nice
[00:15] <bryceh> had much chance to look at bug reports on mesa?  anything interesting there?
[00:15] <RAOF> The upload is pending a llvm-2.9 MIR, which is pending a build of openjdk-6b18 on armel to check for test-suite regressions.
[00:16] <RAOF> Nothing particularly interesting has landed in my Mesa bugmail box (yet ☺).
[00:17] <bryceh> RAOF, would you mind jotting down about our current package merge status in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-07 when you get a moment?  I neglected to do that last week
[00:17] <bryceh> speaking of mesa, I traded a couple emails with keithp on the topic of post-release mesa updates
[00:18] <RAOF> bryceh: Certainly.  I'll do it before rebooting to check that plymouth integration isn't broken :)
[00:18] <bryceh> I outlined what we're facing as SRU requirements in getting mesa patches (let alone point releases) accepted, and he seemed receptive and said they were consistent with the requirements he wants to impose on mesa 7.11 point releases
[00:19] <bryceh> so even if we can't do full point releases, *maybe* we'll have more actionable mesa patches this time through
[00:20] <bryceh> he did suggest that there might be a regression test for mesa we could look at hooking up... I'll have to follow up on that more
[00:20] <RAOF> I think keithp has a pretty good understanding of what's required in a stable branch.
[00:20] <bryceh> agreed
[00:20] <RAOF> bryceh: Other than piglit?  Interesting.
[00:20] <bryceh> sounded like it
[00:21] <RAOF> It'll run into the problem of needing to be run on actual hardware though.
[00:22] <bryceh> yep
[00:22] <bryceh> other than this, I've been toolsmithing and sponsoring various bugfix patches.  Lots of bug reporters needing debugging advice too.
[00:22] <bryceh> I also took the role of Ubuntu stakeholder for Launchpad, so have been conversing with folks about ideas on how we could improve Launchpad to Ubuntu's benefit.  Fun stuff.  :-)
[00:23] <RAOF> Yay!  I can't think of a better LP liason than you.
[00:23] <bryceh> ok, did we miss anyone?  If not, AOB?
[00:23] <TheMuso> Nope
[00:24] <bryceh> excellent, ok guys have a good day.  :-)
[00:24] <RAOF> Oooh, mesa talking about a 6-monthly cadence for releases?  Yay!
[00:26] <RAOF> Hm.  That would see 7.11 scheduled for release between A2 and A3.  I could live with that!
[01:52] <TheMuso> Is it just me, or does compiz currently have rendering issues in oneiric with intel?
[01:52] <TheMuso> i.e nothing gets cleared.
[01:54] <RAOF> Works fine¹ here.
[01:54] <RAOF> You're not running into the background-setting problem?
[01:55] <RAOF> (Where, unless you explicitly set a new background g-s-d doesn't draw anything on the root window so whatever was last drawn is left there?)
[01:55] <TheMuso> Oh thats what it is.
[01:55] <TheMuso> Thats terrible.
[01:57] <TheMuso> ahhh.
[01:57] <TheMuso> Thats better.
[01:57] <RAOF> Heh.
[01:57] <RAOF> Yeah.  I thought didrocks was fixing that?
[01:58] <TheMuso> But, it is a dev cycle after all.
[02:00] <robert_ancell> RAOF, where is a good description of the X protocol (i.e. the binary messaging)
[02:01] <RAOF> robert_ancell: The various x11-proto-* docs.  They all have a description of the protocol messages and replies.
[02:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, on the web? Or packaged?
[02:03] <RAOF> robert_ancell: They're all packaged - in the same package as the development headers.
[02:03] <RAOF> (For that part of the protocol)
[02:03] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ok, cheers
[02:04] <RAOF> So, /usr/share/doc/x11proto-core-dev/x11protocol.txt.gz for the core protocol, which is huge, or /usr/share/doc/x11proto-dri2-dev/dri2proto.txt.gz for the dri2 protocol, which is svelte, sensible, and easy to read :)
[02:52] <lucidfox> So, the Liferea upstream has no problem with integrating indicator support upstream provided I maintain it there
[02:59] <bryceh> So, you shouldn't begin sentences with so.  ;-)
[03:04] <TheMuso> heh
[03:10]  * RAOF goes “hm, now that it's stopped raining it might be time to go and get stuff for lunch”… and it starts raining again.
[03:10] <TheMuso> Yeah that does suck.
[03:11] <TheMuso> Now that NSW has had a butload of rain, it seems its Tassy's turn now.
[03:11] <TheMuso> s/now/this time/
[05:28] <pitti> Good morning
[05:38] <TheMuso> Good morning pitti.
[05:40] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[05:40] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks. Yourself?
[05:40] <pitti> still a bit tired, but well otherwise
[06:31]  * bryceh waves to pitti
[06:32] <pitti> hey bryceh, how are you?
[06:32] <bryceh> great; closed a ton of bugs today
[06:33] <pitti> oh, always good!
[06:33] <bryceh> pitti, speaking of which, I have an SRU for a really critical bug that would benefit from being fast-tracked
[06:33] <pitti> oh, sure
[06:33] <bryceh> bug 774978
[06:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 774978 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "xserver crashes in RecordAReply when XRecord is enabled in syndaemon" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774978
[06:34] <bryceh> pitti, fix is uploaded to natty-proposed but I haven't filled in the paperwork and stuff.  I'll do that now.
[06:34] <pitti> adding natty task, processing
[06:34] <pitti> heh, weird fix :)
[06:36] <pitti> that indeed calls for some further explanation about regression potential of building without libxtst
[06:36] <pitti> bryceh: processed
[06:38] <TheMuso> pitti: damn. Had I known you were going to upload casper, I would have asked you to wait.
[06:38] <TheMuso> No matter, I just had to make another upload.
[06:38] <pitti> it's a small package, the buildds will survive two uploads :)
[06:39] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[06:48] <bryceh> pitti, thanks!
[06:49] <bryceh> pitti, yeah I know... I wish we had the root cause figured out, but I suspect an earlier fix to record functionality that Chase did for a utouch bug exposed the codepath
[06:58] <bryceh> pitti, aha not chase's fault; debian introduced the xtst/record dependency, and it was just plain buggy.  Chase's fix was a partial fix that papered over a worse problem but (apparently) left this crash bug.
[06:58]  * bryceh will update bug report with findings
[06:58] <pitti> ah, thanks
[07:04] <glatzor> morning bryceh and pitti
[07:05] <pitti> hey glatzor, wie gehts?/
[07:05] <glatzor> pitti, I am fine. Making my first steps in gobject introspection land :)
[07:05] <pitti> ooh, what are you porting?
[07:05] <pitti> glatzor: you know https://live.gnome.org/PyGObject/IntrospectionPorting ?
[07:06] <bryceh> heya glatzor
[07:06]  * bryceh needs to learn PyGObject at some point
[07:07] <glatzor> pitti, I am writing an aptdaemon client library in C to even get introspection python bindings :)
[07:09] <pitti> glatzor: ah, so you are learning about https://live.gnome.org/GObjectIntrospection/Annotations? :-)
[07:11] <glatzor> right
[07:32] <bryceh> pitti, ooooh the story of this bug is getting really interesting!
[07:54] <chrisccoulson_> good morning everyone
[07:55] <didrocks> good morning
[07:55] <pitti> hey didrocks
[07:57] <pitti> mvo: guten Morgen
[07:57] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks and pitti
[07:57] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[07:57] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti
[07:57] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson!
[07:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti - good thanks, how are you?
[07:58] <pitti> I'm great, thanks!
[07:59] <mvo> hey pitti and didrocks and chrisccoulson! good morning
[07:59] <chrisccoulson> hi mvo :)
[07:59] <didrocks> hey mvo
[08:00] <pitti> mvo: update-notifier is in a dire situation now, as all the notify_notification_new_with_status_icon() calls don't work any more
[08:00] <pitti> mvo: i. e. in natty they stopped working (no status icons), and in oneiric it doesn't even build any more due to the new libnotify
[08:00] <pitti> mvo: but don't we just open update-manager/apport/etc. anyway? can we just rip out all the notification stuff?
[08:02] <mvo> pitti: right, I kept it for compatibility with e.g. xfce
[08:02] <mvo> pitti: I have a look at it today
[08:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok to remove xulrunner-1.9.2-gnome-support xulrunner-2.0-gnome-support from oneiric?
[08:02] <didrocks> (oneconf as well is called by update-notifier)
[08:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no rdepends, depends on NBS libraries
[08:02] <glatzor> morning mvo
[08:03] <mvo> pitti: I need to look at u-n anyway for the apport hooks (re your mail from today)
[08:03] <mvo> glatzor: hey glatzor!
[08:03] <pitti> mvo: I fixed the constructor call (not committed yet), but I wondered whether you just want me to remove the other notification stuff
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> pitti - which libraries do they depend on? note that those packages literally only exist to pull in the dependencies. the actual dependencies are in the in the main packages
[08:03] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, ignore me, it's not a separate source
[08:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: libnotify1
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> i guess they need a rebuild to pick up the new version
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> but, i'm not sure if there's much point, seeing as we're going to kill them soon anyway ;)
[08:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: the xulrunner packages depend on libreadline5-dev
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> (and i made a start on that last night)
[08:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: should be libreadline-dev now, but why -dev in the first place?
[08:05] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's bogus. i already dropped that from thunderbird and firefox
[08:05] <pitti> ah, tahnks
[08:05] <pitti> mvo: do we still need src/reboot.c? we already have that in the session menu and the logout dialog
[08:06] <mvo> pitti: right, again for compat with other environments like xfce
[08:06] <pitti> mvo: hm, so it seems this would all need to be ported to use an appindicator?
[08:06] <pitti> ... which we then would need to suppress in unity/gnome
[08:07] <mvo> pitti: if we rip stuff out I would prefer to just rip all the auto open out and essentially leave u-n as it is and replace with a new tool that is massively simpler
[08:07] <mvo> pitti: i.e. one for xfce/ldxe etc and one for unity/indicators/auto-open
[08:08] <pitti> mvo: ok, so the simpler fix for u-n would just be to display notifications, without attaching to status icons
[08:08] <pitti> want me to do that for now, so that the package builds and works again?
[08:08] <pitti> with notify-osd they aren't "attached" anyway
[08:08] <mvo> pitti: I actaully wanted to work on this for natty but then there was the  of upstart session plans and I kind of hoped to use that
[08:08] <pitti> yeah, that'd make it much easier
[08:08] <mvo> pitti: so notify-osd break this api? compared to notification-daemon? or is it removed in notification-daemon too?
[08:08] <pitti> so perhaps just _new_with_status_icon -> _new() would do it for now
[08:09] <pitti> mvo: no, thet new libnotify 0.7 doesn't have it any more
[08:09] <pitti> gnome-shell doesn't provide this any more either
[08:09] <pitti> it's an API change
[08:09] <mvo> pitti: ok, thats fine then, please just remove it then
[08:09] <pitti> mvo: ok, will do
[08:09] <mvo> pitti: thanks!
[08:09] <pitti> thanks for the heads-up
[08:09] <mvo> yw, once thats in I will add the apport check addition and upload
[08:20] <Tm_T> cdbs: your autojoin comment made me smile (:
[08:20] <cdbs> Tm_T: why?
[08:21] <Tm_T> perhaps I'm so used to have you around that it's a bit weird you're not (:
[08:21] <pitti> mvo: hm, any idea how I actually get notification bubbles? haven't seen one from u-n in ages, it just pops up windows
[08:22] <pitti> (it builds fine now, but testing wouldn't hurt, I guess)
[08:25] <pitti> mvo: oh, /apps/update-notifier/show_apport_crashes ?
[08:26] <pitti> hm, that's already true
[08:27] <pitti> presumably it never gets around to actually showing it, as gtk_status_icon_get_visible(ta->tray_icon) never becomes true
[08:28] <mvo> pitti: could you try setting /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch to false?
[08:29] <pitti> mvo: trying that, also setting the interval to 0
[08:32] <pitti> mvo: look mom! notifications!
[08:33] <pitti> mvo: tested for crashes and updates now, I'm happy
[08:33] <pitti> mvo: pushed
[08:33] <pitti> mvo: do you want me to upload, or do you want to work on it further anyway?
[08:34]  * didrocks likes the "tested for crashes … I'm happy" (puttin things out of context can be so funny)
[08:34] <mvo> pitti: I will add a additional checking before calling apport, but feel free to upload dosn't hurt if it will be uploaded twice
[08:34]  * pitti mumbles something about "gsettings migration"
[08:34] <pitti> didrocks: that's simple: no crashes -> no work for us -> we'll get fired
[08:35] <didrocks> pitti: arghhhhh, right! let's ensure we have crashes :-)
[08:53] <rodrigo__> morning
[09:06] <seb128> hey
[09:06] <rodrigo__> hi seb128
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[09:06] <seb128> hey rodrigo__, how are you?
[09:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, I'm fine thanks, you?
[09:06] <rodrigo__> hi chrisccoulson
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, good thanks. started cleaning the python-gtkmozembed rdepends last night :)
[09:07] <seb128> \o/
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo__, how are you? where is rodrigo_ and rodrigo? ;)
[09:08] <rodrigo__> rodrigo is always taken by someone in brazil
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> by the end of the day, will you have become rodrigo________________?
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> :)
[09:08] <rodrigo__> not sure where rodrigo_ is :)
[09:08] <rodrigo__> yeah, with all the disconnections I get recently :)
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> what we should do is all have an arbitrary number of underscores in our names, and then remove autocomplete from IRC clients ;)
[09:09] <chrisccoulson> that might reduce the number of pings people get
[09:13] <rodrigo__> right, good idea
[09:13] <rodrigo__> so, you patch xchat and I do empathy to remove the autocompletion? :)
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:14] <seb128> you need to break the text selection to prevent people to do copies ;-)
[09:14] <rodrigo__> right
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i'm sure we could do that too
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> and we could even generate a random number of underscores automatically
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> imagine the chaos!
[09:15] <seb128> easier you could just disable highlighting ;-)
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> that's too simple ;)
[09:18] <didrocks> hey rodrigo__, seb128
[09:18] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:18] <seb128> didrocks, how are you?
[09:19] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks, and you?
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, users complain that they can't install unity today due to you ;-)
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, I'm fine thanks!
[09:19] <didrocks> (nightly build of Qt unfortunatly didn't fix it with -O1)
[09:19] <didrocks> oh, binNEw
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, (seems you need to new compiz binaries)
[09:19] <didrocks> yeah
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: can you have a look at them? as I don't really want to new them myself :)
[09:19] <seb128> ok
[09:20] <didrocks> compiz*-default
[09:20] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:20] <seb128> pitti, hey! how are you?
[09:20] <pitti> seb128: pretty well, thanks!
[09:20] <pitti> gdm is making progress, but still a bit buggy
[09:20] <pitti> half of the time the greeter doesn't draw properly
[09:20] <pitti> that's with and without our patches
[09:20] <seb128> it's runtime buggy?
[09:20] <seb128> ok
[09:21] <pitti> you can navigate the window, but the user list isn't visible sometimes
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, did you figure if we still need the plymouth integration patches and why those are not upstream?
[09:21] <pitti> we still need them
[09:21] <pitti> no idea why this "plymouth integration branch" was never merged :/
[09:22] <pitti> http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=gdm.git;a=blob;f=plymouth.patch;hb=HEAD
[09:22] <pitti> fedora still ships it as a patch as well
[09:22] <seb128> ok, I will ask on #gdm today
[09:25] <seb128> didrocks, seems like kde.xml got dropped from the compiz-plugins binary but not added to -default
[09:25] <didrocks> seb128: it's beeing added to compiz-kde
[09:26] <didrocks>   * move /usr/share/compiz/kde.xml wrongly set in compiz-plugins to compiz-kde
[09:26] <didrocks> in the changelog
[09:27] <seb128> didrocks, oh right (I didn't look at the changelog, just at the debs)
[09:27] <didrocks> no worry :)
[09:28] <seb128> didrocks, ok, compiz newed, looking at c-p-m
[09:28] <didrocks> seb128: thanks
[09:32] <mvo> pitti: I send two branches your way for apport, please let me know what you think
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I didn't check but compiz-plugins-main-dev could need a Replaces on compiz-fusion-plugins-main as well for lucid upgrades
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, otherwise looks good
[09:33] <seb128> didrocks, i.e I didn't check if they have common files but I assume they do
[09:33] <didrocks> seb128: hum, I think files moved, but I'll have a look
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[09:34] <didrocks> (was compiz-fusion dir=
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, anyway not an issue for oneiric so newing those
[09:34] <didrocks> seb128: thanks :)
[09:34] <seb128> didrocks, well things like ./usr/lib/pkgconfig/compiz-animation.pc
[09:34] <seb128> or what that fusion namespaced as well?
[09:34] <seb128> should be easy to check anyway
[09:34] <didrocks> let me quickly check, I think it was in 0.8
[09:35] <pitti> mvo: ah, will do
[09:35] <didrocks> seb128: you're right, I'm adding the change to the vcs
[09:35] <seb128> didrocks, thanks!
[09:35] <pitti> gah, today's live images failed to build due to compiz-plugins-main
[09:36] <didrocks> thanks for pointing it :)
[09:36] <seb128> didrocks, yw
[09:36] <didrocks> compiz is now the land of C/R/P :-)
[09:36]  * pitti binNEWs
[09:36] <seb128> doh
[09:36] <seb128> "FAILED: compiz-plugins-main (Queue item already accepted)"
[09:36] <pitti> sorry seb128
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, hum, did you just hijack what I was discussing with didrocks for 5 minutes? ;-)
[09:37] <seb128> pitti, no worry, I just finished checking, out of the lucid replaces they were ok
[09:39] <didrocks> pushed in vcs, will wrap that next upload
[09:42] <pitti> seb128: sorry, I just got the "failed to build" email from cdimage, and acted on it
[09:42] <pitti> bad mid-air collision
[09:43] <seb128> pitti, no worry ;-)
[09:43]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[09:43]  * pitti hugs back seb128
[09:45] <lucidfox> Are there any themes yet for gtk3-engines-unico?
[09:47] <seb128> lucazade is working on one and has it on his launchpad ppa or vcs
[09:49] <cdbs> lucidfox: Yes, its Ambiance being developed by lucazade at lp:~lucazade/+junk/ambiance-gtk3
[09:49] <lucidfox> Ooh, nice
[09:53] <pitti> mvo: I did https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/apport/apport-checkreports-addition/+merge/63819 now
[09:55] <lucidfox> Okay, it works. Doesn't look very Ambiance-y at the moment, but I presume this will change by the final release :)
[09:56] <mvo> pitti: awsome, thanks!
[10:01] <ogra_> hmm, did anyone else see hangs in oneiric when gnome-user-guide is installed ?
[10:02] <ogra_> i get "hung task" timeout messages from the kernel here for dpkg ...
[10:02] <ogra_> only for that one package and reproducable
[10:04] <pitti> mvo: done as well; want me to upload that to oneiric now?
[10:04] <seb128> ogra_, I didn't but I don't know if that one got upgraded or installed since I use an upgrade from natty
[10:04] <seb128> it could be still the natty version
[10:05] <ogra_> well, on armel it definitely gets updated during a move from natty to oneiric
[10:05] <ogra_> so i would expect that on armel too
[10:05] <ogra_> what bothers me is that it seems to hang in the configure step ... usually i would expect the postinst to misbehave here
[10:06] <seb128> you are sure it's not just being slow?
[10:06] <seb128> or that you have io issues?
[10:06] <ogra_> but that would likely point to a different binary in dmesg and also i cant seem to find a postins script for the package
[10:06] <mvo> pitti: please!
[10:06] <ogra_> seb128, dpkg stops right after the dmesg message shows up
[10:07] <ogra_> i left it sitting there over night
[10:07] <ogra_> so i doubt its slowness
[10:07] <ogra_> and i just heard the same issue from another armel user
[10:08] <seb128> seems armel specific then
[10:08] <ogra_> but what does that package do that others dont ? especially in the configure step
[10:09] <ogra_> i cant find a postinst, but there must be some command running that other packages dont use
[10:09] <seb128> nothing, it doesn't even has a postinst
[10:09] <ogra_> yes
[10:09] <seb128> well maybe not
[10:09] <ogra_> is there a trigger like scrollkeeper or so =
[10:09] <seb128> it's maybe the content of the deb which hits a dpkg bug
[10:09] <ogra_> ?
[10:09] <seb128> dunno
[10:10] <seb128> no, scrollkeeper has been deprecated
[10:10] <seb128> and triggers are run after the configure anyway
[10:11] <seb128> it seems likely the deb content hits a dpkg bug
[10:11] <ogra_> hmm, k
[10:11] <ogra_> i wonder why only this package hits it though
[10:11] <seb128> you should better take that discussion to #ubuntu-devel, out of mvo who might be able to help you I think it's out of the desktop domain
[10:12] <ogra_> installing or upgrading g-u-d was always slow in the past though
[10:12] <ogra_> like 5-10min just for that package
[10:12] <seb128> it has quite some content
[10:12] <ogra_> yep
[10:12] <ogra_> i checked the .list file ...
[10:12] <ogra_> nearly 7000 files
[10:21] <saamm> One of my friend bought Braid from Software Center, but sound is not working. Where should I report this?
[10:26] <mvo> hey saamm, we don't currently have a official bugreport channel, its probably best to contact the braid publisher for now and report the problem there
[10:31] <saamm> uhm isnt there a way that we file a bug in launchpad and it is reported in upstream as Ubuntu developers may have better contacts with app providers
[10:32] <saamm> braid has no support forum, page or anything...just an email :(
[10:33] <seb128> pitti, mvo: is there any reason update-notifier still need a systray at all nowadays?
[10:34] <mvo> seb128: compatbility with xfce and friends
[10:34] <seb128> mvo, how compatible? what does it use under unity which has no systray which is not available in xfce?
[10:34] <seb128> I though it was a service spawning commands only nowadays
[10:34] <seb128> like it does open update-manager or apport
[10:35] <mvo> seb128: in xfce they don't use it in auto-open mode (last I checked)
[10:35] <mvo> seb128: the longer term goal of me is to get rid of u-n by default and replace it with some simpler version that just supports the auto-open stuff
[10:35] <mvo> seb128: actually having the tray icons makes it all more complicated
[10:36] <seb128> well, why not just dropping the icon then?
[10:36] <seb128> xfce could use it in auto-open mode
[10:36] <mvo> saamm: I think we need a support channel for issues like this, but there is none currently, I will enquire about this.
[10:36] <mvo> seb128: but why force it on them if they don't like auto-open mode?
[10:37] <mvo> seb128: its low maintainence (for the most part)
[10:37] <seb128> mvo, why lower the ubuntu quality just to accomodate other desktops?
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> pitti - will you let me know when you're ready to start building language packs for natty?
[10:38] <seb128> mvo, I've seen several bugs with syslog errors about the systray icon being rejected from unity, some users get clearly confused under unity by trying to use it
[10:38] <seb128> mvo, so either it should we an indicator or dropped imho
[10:38] <saamm> mvo, ok thanks...I try to contact them through email...
[10:41] <seb128> pitti, is it worth downloading an oneiric daily iso to use in kvm or will it give no desktop between unity-3d not working and the unity-2d,qt,gcc issues?
[10:50] <pitti> seb128: dpeends on what you want to test
[10:51] <pitti> with -vga vmware you can get to a desktop without the unity 2d drash
[10:51] <pitti> dash
[10:51] <pitti> you can ctrl+alt+t for a terminal and run things there
[10:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, I will; still waiting for the export to happen
[10:56] <pitti> seb128: I tried installing gnome-session-fallback in a live system and then choosing gnome session in gdm, that works fine, too
[10:56] <pitti> the applications menu is empty, though -> missing dependency?
[10:56] <seb128> pitti, weird, gnome-menus should be installed
[10:57] <seb128> pitti, I will try that, I don't need much, I want to check the rdepends for the deprecated lib on a clean system
[10:57] <pitti> that's fine in a terminal
[10:57] <seb128> I've some non default things installed on mine and I might have uninstalled some others
[10:57] <pitti> g-menus is isntalled, yes
[10:57] <pitti> seb128: I have yesterday's CD running, want me to try some stuff?
[10:57] <seb128> not sure why the menu doesn't work then
[10:57] <pitti> like purging, and teling you what's left?
[10:58] <seb128> pitti, no, I just want to poke around, do rdepends list and dump them on the etherpad
[10:58] <seb128> pitti, I will just rsync the iso over lunch and do that later but thanks for asking!
[10:59] <pitti> hm, I can purge libgail-gnome-module and libpanel-applet2-0; only a recommends?
[10:59] <seb128> libpanel-applet2-0 is the old gtk2 bonobo lib
[10:59] <pitti> ah, this image still has gnome-mag and libatspi1.0-0
[10:59] <seb128> the current version is 4
[11:00] <seb128> whatever is using libpanel-applet2-0 is broken
[11:00] <pitti> so yeah, as we figured out, tomboy and gbrainy are the only two culprits
[11:03] <seb128> I want to start building gtk2 and gconf rdepends lists and "what ship schemas" as well
[11:04] <seb128> I might use a pbuilder could be easier to script those
[11:05] <pitti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20110608/
[11:06] <pitti> wohoo!
[11:06] <pitti> all but i386 are within limit
[11:06] <pitti> dropping lsb-* and build-essential really helped
[11:07] <cdbs> pitti: Congrats!
[11:07] <cdbs> pitti: But, that's the Alternate CD, isn't it?
[11:07] <pitti> we removed 12.6 MB, added 0.3, and changed -4.1 MB
[11:07] <pitti> cdbs: yes
[11:07] <pitti> desktop failed to build today
[11:08] <pitti> due to the compiz split in NEW
[11:08] <cdbs> the lives are still huge
[11:08] <pitti> but it should be in the archive now, I'll retry a daily build
[11:09] <pitti> seb128: gbrainy can certainly be unseeded; I don't quite remember, did we say yesterday that we could build totem with a --no-gnome something configure option?
[11:10]  * pitti starts a new live build
[11:10] <pitti> seb128: ^ you might want to wait for that
[11:12] <rodrigo__> ugh, a lot of icons have disappeared after some cherry-picking update of gnome packages
[11:13] <pitti> rodrigo__: --verbose ?
[11:13] <pitti> rodrigo__: I recently split gnome-icon-theme
[11:13] <rodrigo__> oh
[11:13] <rodrigo__> so, should I install gnome-icon-theme-full?
[11:13] <pitti> so that it mostly uses humanity, and laternatively depends on g-i-t-full
[11:14] <rodrigo__> ok
[11:14] <pitti> rodrigo__: I guess that would help, but it shouldn't break for a normal desktop in the first place
[11:14] <pitti> so I'm intersted what you did
[11:14] <pitti> we might need to add the -full dependency to another package then
[11:14] <seb128> rodrigo__, what desktop or icon theme do you use?
[11:14] <rodrigo__> pitti, apt-get update all gnome-related packages
[11:14] <seb128> pitti, I think rodrigo__ is using gnome-shell
[11:14] <rodrigo__> yes, using gnome-shell
[11:14] <pitti> ah
[11:15] <pitti> I think that ought to depend on -full indeed
[11:15] <pitti> it'll divert our package, though
[11:15] <pitti> do we know whether the debian guys are actively developing it?
[11:16] <pitti> i. e. would it help if I added it around beta-1 only
[11:16] <pitti> or at least after DIF?
[11:16] <pitti> or want me to add it right now?
[11:17] <rodrigo__> pitti, not sure, whatever you think is best
[11:18] <rodrigo__> installing -full works
[11:18] <pitti> it's "less confusing for early developers" vs. "more work with merging from Debian"
[11:18] <pitti> (right now we just sync)
[11:19] <rodrigo__> hmm, in fact, I had no icon theme set
[11:19] <pitti> rodrigo__: gnome-shell certainly doesn't default to HUmanity
[11:19] <pitti> I  added -full to gnome-tweak-tool already
[11:20] <rodrigo__> pitti, no, I guess it's 'gnome' what it uses
[11:20] <rodrigo__> but as I said, I had no icon theme set
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, pywebkitgtk seems to have some patches in dpatch format (with a 00list file), despite the fact that the package is source format 3.0 (quilt), there is no dpatch build-depend and nothing in debian/rules which applies the patches
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> i guess i can just remove those ;)
[11:30]  * didrocks makes again a new Qt build
[12:01] <mpt> mvo, hi. I have a question about app-install-data if you're free
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> pitti, would you mind sponsoring http://paste.ubuntu.com/621666/ (pywebkitgtk) for me please? :)
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> i can't upload that
[12:13] <ara> seb128, hello
[12:18] <mvo> mpt: I'm am now
[12:19] <mpt> mvo, it looks like indicator-weather got a .desktop file on Feb 14, but it's not in app-install-data-ubuntu. What's the process for being included?
[12:20] <mvo> mpt: it normally gets automatically included when the extraction runs (every ~2 weeks). let me check what happend to this one
[12:20] <mvo> mpt: sometimes there are bugs, but it certainly was run after that
[12:20] <mvo> (did I mention that this stuff should move server-side ;)
[12:21] <mpt> mvo, this looks like the version that added it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-weather/11.02.13+repack-0ubuntu1
[12:21] <mpt> mvo, yes, I think we both have ;-)
[12:22] <mvo> "Furthermore, I think app-install-data-ubuntu must be destroyed" i should use a my new mail footer
[12:23] <mpt> brilliant
[12:25] <mvo> mpt: do you think this is worth a sru? it looks like a overly agressive blacklist reggexp, I removed it now
[12:25] <mpt> mvo, was it blacklisting indicator-*, or what?
[12:26] <mvo> mpt: yeah
[12:27] <mpt> mvo, presumably it was added for a reason. What other items would end up in the index if that regexp was removed?
[12:28] <mvo> mpt: I can cherry pick indicator-weather, thats easy. for natty nad for oneiric I will just see what new stuff comes in
[12:29] <mvo> mpt: I will add it to natty and when the next SRU comes it will be part of it
[12:29] <mpt> mvo, isn't that a bit risky if you don't know what else it allows? :-)
[12:30] <mvo> mpt: for natty I will just cherry pick indicator-weather, no risk here. for oneiric it is, but its oneiric :)
[12:30] <mpt> ok
[12:30] <mpt> thanks mvo
[12:30] <mvo> mpt: thank you for brining it up
[12:31] <mpt> mvo, how does a package exclude a .desktop file it contains, to say "don't include this one in app-install-data"?
[12:32] <mvo> mpt: if it add "X-AppInstall-Ignore=true"
[12:32] <mpt> ok
[12:32] <mpt> thank you
[12:32] <mvo> yw
[12:41] <seb128> ara, hi, sorry I was at lunch
[12:41] <seb128> ara, how are you?
[12:44] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, can do; but isn't the removal of unapplied patches just introducing unnecessary delta?
[12:45] <seb128> shouldn't those just be added to the serie? if they are there that's for a reason or are they outdated?
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> seb128, the patches are obsolete (configure.ac has "AC_SUBST(ACLOCAL_AMFLAGS, "-I m4 -I .")" instead)
[12:47] <seb128> ok
[12:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i can add them back if you like. i just thought it was confusing having a series and 00list under debian/patches
[12:48] <pitti> it is
[12:48] <seb128> it is confusing, those who will work on the package will wonder if that's a bug to fix or not
[12:48] <pitti> we can remove the patches from the debian svn as well
[12:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: woudl you mind sending the change upstream as well? or is it essentially dead, in favor of gir1.2-webkit-3.0?
[12:52] <seb128> did anybody else noticed that unity often need things to be run twice to be start in oneiric?
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm not sure. it looks pretty dead (rmadison shows the newest debian version is the one we based ours on, which is from september last year)
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> i only made this change because i don't want to end up porting a load of universe apps to pygi ;)
[12:53] <kinouchou> hi seb128, didrocks and fredp
[12:54] <didrocks> hey kinouchou
[12:56] <seb128> lut kinouchou
[12:58] <seb128> didrocks, ^ did you see my question?
[12:58] <didrocks> seb128: no, I didn't, sorry. No I don't need to run it twice, its starting right away here
[12:58] <seb128> ok
[12:58] <didrocks> seb128: does it tries to fallback first?
[12:58] <seb128> like alt-f2 gedit enter doesn't start gedit there
[12:58] <didrocks> the timeout is shorter
[12:59] <seb128> doing it a second time does
[12:59] <didrocks> oh this, so you mean, the places?
[12:59] <seb128> no, alt-f2
[12:59] <didrocks> seb128: possible the race in places being more obvious now
[12:59] <didrocks> possibly*
[13:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: committed to Debian svn now
[13:04] <chrisccoulson> pitti - cool, thanks :)
[13:05] <pitti> I committed the other relevant change as well, so we can sync
[13:07] <rodrigo__> ok, lunch time, bbl
[13:08] <ara> seb128, I was the one at lunch now :)
[13:08] <seb128> ara, hey ;-)
[13:09] <ara> seb128, there is a unity bug in natty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/753971
[13:09] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 753971 in unity "Display garbled upon restoring original resolution or connecting external displays" [High,Confirmed]
[13:09] <ara> already with 35 me toos and 17 systems affected (probably more)
[13:09] <ara> should it be critical?
[13:09] <seb128> jasoncwarner, njpatel, dbarth: ^ can we get somebody in dx to work on that, it seems really to be an issue for the certification guys
[13:10] <ara> it does not seem to get enough attention as high
[13:10] <ara> seb128, not certification only
[13:10] <ara> it affects a lot of people
[13:10] <seb128> ara, the issue is not the bug settings, it's that dx doesn't manage to keep up with bugs
[13:10] <ara> well, people that use external monitors with laptops
[13:10] <seb128> so tweaking the settings there will not make a difference
[13:11] <didrocks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/753971/comments/17 for why not critical
[13:11] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 753971 in unity "Display garbled upon restoring original resolution or connecting external displays" [High,Confirmed]
[13:11] <seb128> ara, but agreed that's an issue, let's see if jasoncwarner dbarth or njpatel can get ressources to work on it
[13:11] <seb128> didrocks, ara: let's not argue on bug settings that's of no use, we surely agree it's an issue that need to be worked and that's what matters there
[13:12] <ara> I am worried that many people trying to do a presentation with Ubuntu get this bug for the first time
[13:12] <ara> (people that normally wouldn't use a external monitor except for presentations)
[13:12] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't say I agreed with the bug status. But yeah, as you know, changing the status will not change anything :-)
[13:13] <dbarth> seb128: jay is on that
[13:13] <seb128> dbarth, can we get an eta on a fix?
[13:13] <dbarth> seb128: he has proposed a fix that ara should have now; the branch is at
[13:13] <dbarth> https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/unity-sru-certification-fixes
[13:13] <seb128> dbarth, when? the fix he did before UDS has been SRUed but doesn't fix all cases and create new issues
[13:14] <seb128> so it needs extra work
[13:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, uploaded to Debian and Ubuntu now
[13:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks :)
[13:15] <ara> dbarth, well, a ETA to have a package that fix it
[13:16] <seb128> didrocks got the first fix from jay in the first SRU after natty but that's not enough
[13:16] <seb128> there is still some issues
[13:17] <didrocks> right, bug reopened the 2011/05/03
[13:18] <didrocks> seems the branch pointed has new fixes, but 1. it's not linked to the bug, 2. we didn't talk about it, 3. there is no merge proposal or review done
[13:18] <dbarth> the bug fix will be made available in the tarball for SRU2, planned for tomorrow
[13:19] <dbarth> https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.16
[13:19] <seb128> dbarth, thanks
[13:19] <seb128> ara, ^
[13:20] <seb128> seems like they worked on it but nobody bothered updating the bug or adding a comment to say so
[13:20] <ara> thanks
[13:21] <ara> it will be good to have an early PPA (without needing to wait to -proposed) to do some early testing
[13:21] <dbarth> the bug contains several issues, so i have asked for the bug to be split
[13:21] <dbarth> in order to reflect at least progress on the single monitor one, and put the driver part aside
[13:22] <seb128> dbarth, ok, makes sense
[13:22] <seb128> ara, would be nice but I'm not sure dx has daily builds running for the sru candidates series
[13:25] <seb128> xclaesse, hi, webkit 1.4.1 is in oneiric, I did the update yesterday (just for information)
[13:25] <xclaesse> \o/
[13:26] <xclaesse> seb128, will that go into gnome3 ppa, or should I import it in my own ppa?
[13:26] <seb128> xclaesse, it's already in the gnome3 ppa
[13:27] <ara> dbarth, by "I have asked", are you saying that you are waiting on us to split the bug?
[13:29] <dbarth> nope, jay
[13:30] <dbarth> who seems to know where to draw the line
[13:30] <dbarth> sorry, that was not really explicit
[13:32] <ara> OK, thanks for the clarification
[13:42] <xclaesse> seb128, great, thanks :)
[13:42] <seb128> xclaesse, yw
[14:04] <didrocks> hum, on this upgrade, should I select "lightdm"? ;)
[14:05] <didrocks> done, if you don't see me tomorrow, you will know why :)
[14:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: binary debdiff of natty vs. oneiric .deb might help a bit?
[14:13] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, possibly
[14:20] <didrocks> ok, Qt issue workarounded, time for a latter build with additional patch and fixing unity-2d :)
[14:22] <ogra_> there are no Qt issues ... just tell people to use arm :)
[14:22] <ogra_> works stable there ;)
[14:24] <njpatel> seb128, I'm pretty sure jay is working on it, but DBO or dbarth would know for sure
[14:25] <seb128> njpatel, dbarth replied and pointed to a vcs which has a commit from monday which reference to that bug
[14:25] <seb128> njpatel, thanks
[14:25] <didrocks> ogra_: it's your fault then! that was some kind of propagana!
[14:25] <didrocks> propaganda*
[14:26]  * ogra_ does a silent evil giggle
[14:27] <didrocks> ! :-)
[15:03] <pedro_> bug 790613
[15:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 790613 in gnome-python "accerciser crashed with AttributeError in __main__: 'module' object has no attribute 'PARAM_APP_DATADIR'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790613
[15:03] <seb128> pitti, ^ do you know about that?
[15:04] <pedro_> seems that's causing accersicer to crash on oneiric, the qa folks are using it for automated testing
[15:04] <seb128> pitti, didn't you say that the dh_python2 move had compability and things didn't need to be upgraded together?
[15:04] <pedro_> accerciser rather
[15:04] <pitti> seb128: that's what I thought initially, and it worked with just pygobject
[15:05] <pitti> but apparently doing some more mix'n'match breaks; I just didn't see a reproducer so far
[15:05] <seb128> hum
[15:05] <seb128> but gnome-python got migrated to dh_python2
[15:07] <pitti> yes, apparently the debian reporter still had the older gnome-python installed?
[15:07] <seb128> pitti, well pedro_ and jibel say it's still an issue on current oneiric
[15:08] <seb128> pitti, but we synced current gnome-python which use dh_python2
[15:08] <seb128> so I guess it will need debugging
[15:09] <pitti> hm, how can I reproduce this? accerciser starts fine for me
[15:09] <pedro_> jibel, ^
[15:09] <pitti> pedro_, jibel: ^ do you still get that on current oneiric? I apt-get installed accerciser, and run it
[15:10] <pitti> the program itself runs, but in the mainwindow I get a text that has a traceback
[15:10] <pitti> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_label_widget'
[15:10] <pitti> but that's unrelated
[15:11] <pitti> jibel's bug report's Dependencies.txt has the current python-gnome2, though
[15:13] <jibel> pitti, I still have it on current oneiric fully updated
[15:14] <pitti> jibel: what do I need to click/run in the UI to make it crash?
[15:15] <jibel> pitti, but it crashes on 1 system which have been upgraded since jaunty and doesn't on another test system which is a fresh install
[15:15] <jibel> pitti, it crashes on start
[15:16] <rodrigo__> brb
[15:17] <pitti> jibel: oh, interesting!
[15:17] <pitti> jibel: that probably means we have a stale .pyc file somewhere
[15:18] <pitti> jibel: could I have ssh on that test system, or could you play "remote hands" for me for a bit?
[15:20] <jibel> pitti, sure, I can be your hands and eyes for a bit
[15:22] <pitti> jibel: what does "ls -l /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.*/gtk-2.0/*gnome*" say for you?
[15:23] <jibel> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/621791/
[15:24] <pitti> a-haa
[15:24] <pitti> $ python -c 'import gnome; print gnome.PARAM_APP_DATADIR'
[15:24] <pitti> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'PARAM_APP_DATADIR'
[15:26] <pitti> jibel: merci beaucoup!
[15:26] <jibel> pitti, bitte
[15:30] <seb128> pedro_, do you think you could help to ack some of the desktop sru for natty?
[15:30] <seb128> pedro_, hey btw ;-)
[15:31] <seb128> pedro_, how are you?
[15:31] <didrocks> hey pedro_ ;)
[15:31] <pedro_> seb128, doing good, you? :-)
[15:31] <seb128> pedro_, I'm fine thanks
[15:31] <didrocks> (especially unity one as another SRU is coming)
[15:31] <pedro_> seb128, yup i'll look into those today
[15:31] <pitti> jibel: can you please give me the output of "dpkg -S applet.py"?
[15:31] <pedro_> hello didrocks :-)
[15:31] <pedro_> i was playing with launchpadlib lately
[15:31] <pedro_> to do some reports for the desktop team
[15:31] <pedro_> i'll have some news about that soon
[15:32] <seb128> pedro_, great
[15:32] <jibel> pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/621794/
[15:32] <pitti> jibel: merci
[15:33] <seb128> hum
[15:33] <seb128> jibel, pitti: python-gnomeapplet is deprecated and got dropped from oneiric, we should maybe make gnome-panel conflicts on it or something so it get uninstalled
[15:34] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, hmm, not sure what the bug is, but couldn't start gnome-shell after updating firefox, it was complaining about missing libmozjs.so, so I created a link to /usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0/libmozjs.so in /usr/lib
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: right, that's how I missed it from my initial search here
[15:35] <seb128> not sure how we can assure that the deprecated binaries we dropped get cleaned
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, you shouldn't need to do that. gnome-shell and gjs are using the sytem libmozjs we provide now (independent of firefox or xulrunner)
[15:35] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, do you have an outdated gjs installed?
[15:36] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, but it couldn't find it, it seems, so any idea what's up?
[15:36] <pitti> jibel: can you keep the affected machine for another 10 min or so?
[15:36] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, do you have libmozjs185-1.0 installed?
[15:37] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yes
[15:37] <jibel> pitti, of course, that's my work laptop. I'll try to keep it on for more than 10 minutes :-)
[15:38] <rodrigo_> ah, but it has /usr/lib/libmozjs185.so.1.0.0, not libmozjs, so I guess gnome-shell needs rebuilding with that?
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_ - not gnome-shell, it doesn't link against it
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> that's gjs, but the latest version already links against the new library
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> what is the output of ldd /usr/lib/libgjs.so.0 ?
[15:38] <rodrigo_> oh, maybe I didn't upgrade that, let me check
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> it sounds like you need to install the latest version :)
[15:39] <rodrigo_> libmozjs.so => not found
[15:39] <rodrigo_> yeah
[15:39] <rodrigo_> indeed, there's an update
[15:39] <rodrigo_> sorry for the noise then :)
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> heh, no worries
[15:41] <rodrigo_> and also, yoono extension doesn't work with latest firefox, but that's not your fault :)
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, are you sure you want to use yoono? http://www.security-assessment.com/files/advisories/Yoono_Firefox_Extension_Privileged_Code_Injection.pdf
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[15:48] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, hmm, didn't know about that
[15:49] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, any other twitter/facebook extension/apps you recommend?
[15:49] <rodrigo_> I like yoono because it allows you to keep and remove messages
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, not sure. i don't really know what you use yoono for ;)
[15:49] <rodrigo_> twitter and facebook :)
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> (and that issue might be fixed, i just noticed it on the first page of hits when i typed it in to google)
[15:51] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, yeah, that pdf says fixed on june 2009
[15:56] <pitti> jibel: test package is built now in https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ppa/+packages
[16:01] <jibel> pitti, that fixed the problem. Many thanks !
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: yay
[16:02] <pitti> jibel: nice working with you!
[16:02] <jibel> pitti, my pleasure
[16:03]  * jibel now goes filing other accerciser bugs
[16:07]  * pitti waves good night
[16:07] <rodrigo_> bye pitti
[16:29] <fta> oh my!  libwebkitgtk-3.0-0-dbgsym 302 MB
[16:42] <fta> pitti, fyi, in oneiric, apport-retrace insists on replacing libc6-dbg by libc6-dbgsym, leaving apt confused as libc6-dbg is a dep of valgrind which i have installed
[18:31] <chrisccoulson> dpm - any idea how we've got en-CA and en-AU translations for firefox currently in maverick?
[18:32] <chrisccoulson> an ubuntu user reported a bug upstream to mozilla because firefox directs them to a broken URL on one of their servers (because they are running a locale that they don't support), and i've been contacted by them
[18:35] <rodrigo_> ok, going out for a bit, later all
[18:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, you should call it a day!
[18:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, enjoy ;-)
[18:43] <seb128> Laney, hey, just checking but do you have an eta for the new mono version landing in oneiric?
[18:43]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:44] <seb128> 'night didrocks
[18:44] <didrocks> seb128: thanks, you too :)
[18:55] <chrisccoulson> 325', mk,  m 6545414
[18:56] <Laney> seb128: do you need it for anything in particular?
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> lol
[18:57] <chrisccoulson> daughter had access to my laptop ;)
[18:58] <Laney> and she learned perl already!
[18:58] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:17] <davmor2> Laney: One up on her dad then ;)
[19:21] <broder> hmm...before i try to write it, does anybody know of a script that will take a screenshot of all virtual desktops instead of just the current one?
[19:23] <broder> (preferably one that does so without having to visibly cycle between desktops)
[19:25] <mterry> pitti_, do you have an example of how to define new signals using PyGI?
[19:31] <mterry> Hmm, OK.  Apparently you can still use __gsignals__
[19:36] <seb128> Laney, no, I'm just wondering why we don't get it early and add it as a transition so we have extra time to sort issues
[19:36] <Laney> fair
[19:36] <Laney> we've been trying to do them in debian
[19:36] <seb128> it's a bit reverse compared to what we do usually but I will not complain ;-)
[19:37] <seb128> since the ubuntu cycle is shorter we usually need to take a lead on those
[19:37] <Laney> yeah
[19:37] <seb128> it just feel weird to wait on debian, it could take over the oneiric cycle for example
[19:37] <Laney> I think most of the main stuff is done
[19:37] <Laney> but it's not clear that anyone will work on the universe stuff beyond us
[19:37] <Laney> so we might end up breaking some packages
[19:37] <seb128> well if they need porting better to break them early than late
[19:38] <seb128> it will motive people to fix them
[19:38] <seb128> it will also give time to notice the issue and do the work
[19:39] <Laney> lets move to devel and ask directhex
[19:43] <seb128> Laney, ok