[07:59] <crass> is there a good way to make a repo of subdirs named "debian" of multiple external repos?
[16:19] <Wiz_KeeD> how do i get the initial version of a file using bzr?
[16:20] <Wiz_KeeD> if i've messed around it in and i want to undo and get the last revision of that particular file
[19:39] <lifeless> Wiz_KeeD: initial or more recent? they are quite different usually ;)
[19:39] <lifeless> Wiz_KeeD: bzr revert filename will restore filename to the state at the last commit.
[19:39] <lifeless> Wiz_KeeD: bzr revert -r <revspec> filename will restore filename to its state as of <revspec>
[19:40] <Wiz_KeeD> lifeless, so i can do bzr revert file.py and it will have the state frm the last commit registered
[19:40] <lifeless> yes
[19:40] <Wiz_KeeD> and if i do -r revno i get the version from that revision?
[19:40] <lifeless> yes
[19:41] <Wiz_KeeD> that is wonderful, thank you! :D
[19:41] <lifeless> bzr help revert will tell you all the things it can do :)
[19:43] <Wiz_KeeD> nice man


[00:51] <pope_> Hi everyone
[00:51] <pope_> I am having a problem with playing back videos
[00:52] <pope_> A green bar shows up at the bottom of the picture, does anyone know how to fix this?
[00:53] <pope_> Here are some screens http://imgur.com/a/0M3If
[01:24] <pope_> Two bars when playing a DVD http://imgur.com/lRLyM1K
[01:28] <skd5aner> pope_: that's pretty common, you cna use the screen setup wizard (or whatever it's called) to cut off the bottom few pixles of the screen
[01:29] <pope_> skd5aner: thank you! i just found the article on overscan too :)
[03:45] <nv_> How to Ubuntu -> Mythbuntu?   I installed mythbuntu-control-center via apt-get mythbuntu-control-center and when i run the command i get: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6408799/
[03:45] <tgm4883> nv_, yea, we're working on fixing that. Are you trying to install a frontend or backend (or both)?
[03:46] <nv_> i know not.
[03:46] <tgm4883> what do you intend to use it for?
[03:46] <nv_> i have security camera and 3 TV tuners on HTPC
[03:46] <tgm4883> what tuners?
[03:47] <nv_> WinTV
[03:47] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:47] <tgm4883> do you know if those are supported in linux at all?
[03:47] <nv_> yes they work
[03:47] <tgm4883> I've not used win tv stuff in years
[03:47] <tgm4883> ok
[03:48] <tgm4883> so you'll need a frontend and a backend
[03:48] <tgm4883> (they can be on the same system)
[03:48] <nv_> ok
[03:48] <tgm4883> the backend controls all the recording and such, the frontend is for playback
[03:48] <tgm4883> since MCC is broken right now, I'd suggest opening a terminal and doing 'apt-get install mythtv-backend-master'
[03:48] <tgm4883> that should install the backend and mysql
[03:49] <nv_> i have a lampp stack running already
[03:49] <nv_> will this be affected?
[03:50] <tgm4883> shouldn't be, it will install mythtv-database and mythtv-common, which will try to install the DB into your system. It will probably ask for the root db password so it can set that up
[03:50] <nv_> k
[03:52] <tgm4883> once it's installed, run mythtv-setup   you should be able to follow this guide if you need assistance  https://docs.google.com/document/d/19knOlqz8cV5_8VQ1tCvEd8tjEk6U50KsSOJCROR60o4/edit?usp=sharing
[03:52] <tgm4883> I'm going to do some wiring, i'll be back in a bit
[03:53] <nv_> thank you
[04:31] <nv_> mythtv-setup having troubles connecting to the database. in phpmyadmin i see i have a new DB named mythconverg and I have a new user named mythtv
[04:32] <tgm4883> nv_, probably a password issue
[04:32] <tgm4883> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" then do  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common"
[04:41] <nv_> no effect. looking at the terminal output, its getting rejected by the DB server, bad password
[04:50] <tgm4883> nv_, hmm, that should have reset it. Can you check /etc/mythtv/config.xml and see if it has the same credentials as ~/.mythtv/config.xml
[04:54] <nv_> they match
[04:54] <nv_> let me just try restarting
[05:43] <nv_> installing mythbuntu on an existing lampp stack seems to break apache
[05:46] <nv_> mythbuntu +lamp you will find people in forums trying to figure out how to fix their lampp after installing mythbuntu
[05:52] <tgm4883> nv_, odd, where does it break?
[05:52] <nv_> still trying to figure out whats going on
[05:53] <nv_> tried to setup a CMS script to test my lampp stack to see if the problem is on my end. index pages are no longer loading by default, instead i am getting a dir listing
[05:54] <tgm4883> nv_, there shouldn't be anything done to apache unless you say you are only using apache with mythtv/mythweb
[05:54] <tgm4883> superm1, ^
[05:59] <nv_> the not loading index pages by default occurred after this step: tgm4883> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" then do  "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common"
[06:01] <nv_> i had loaded up my phpmyadmin page to check mysql befre running that and it worked, after running that command i have to click on index.php after typing in the URL
[07:13] <nv_> i dont know what happened but tasksel remove and tasksel install lampp-server fixed it
[17:24] <superm1> tgm4883: um so mythweb will ask if you are only using the system for mythweb
[17:24] <superm1> guess that user is gone already
[17:25] <superm1> but if they come back and i'm not here, ask how they responded to that question
[17:25] <superm1> it shouldn't mess with the lamp stack if they said they use it for other stuff
[17:25] <superm1> just set up "another" website under /mythweb
[17:35] <superm1> tgm4883: that quick start guide, are we advertising it anywhere?
[17:35] <superm1> other than /topic
[19:29] <tgm4883> superm1, I'm not sure. I want to say we had a blog post about it
[19:29] <tgm4883> superm1, I advertise it in my forum sig
[19:29] <superm1> tgm4883: we should get it on the website and on the mythtv wiki i think
[19:29] <tgm4883> will do
[19:30] <superm1> i had a friend just getting things set up and watching his struggle not knowing anything about mythtv was kinda funny
[19:30] <superm1> but i couldn't find a good guide to point him at really
[19:36] <tgm4883> ok, it's on the site now


[04:34] <kngoworld> hello everyone, can someone teach me how to connect my blackberry bold to 8.04.1
[04:36] <persia> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190938 might work.  You might also have more luck in #ubuntu for that sort of thing: this channel is moer about running ubuntu on smaller devices.
[04:37] <kngoworld> im on an eee pc?
[04:39] <persia> heh.  This would be the right place for discussions about the Eee :)
[04:40] <kngoworld> when downloading packages to the desktop how do I run and install them with terminal?
[04:43] <persia> I'd recommend just using apt-get install <package> most of the time.
[04:43] <playya> sudo dpkg -i files
[04:44] <persia> In those rare caess where you can't do that, gdebi does a nice job.  In the worst case, you can use dpkg -i but then you'll have to manage the dependencies yourself.
[04:44] <kngoworld> yeah, not good at managing
[04:44] <kngoworld> what is cd Desktop?
[04:46] <playya> change to your deskto directory


[08:48] <Mirv> tsdgeos: oh, is there a 'floor' problem in qmluitests too<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:48] <Mirv> or is that test running some funky version of unity8, that's also possible
[08:49] <Mirv> no, that was fixed, so yes unfortunately autopkgtests do the wrong thing
[08:49] <tsdgeos> Mirv: seems very much what i fixed, no?
[08:49] <tsdgeos> is it compiling some old version or something?
[08:50] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, it's compiling old version
[08:50] <Mirv> tsdgeos: then elsewhere with new version, two failing tests<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:51] <Mirv> that could be real Qt 5.6.1 breakage
[08:52] <tsdgeos> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::PhoneStage::test_selectAppFromSpread(App 5) Uncaught exception: Type error
[08:52] <tsdgeos> that looks bad-ish
[09:06] <tsdgeos> Mirv: if you file a bug maybe i can have a look later today/tomorrow if noone beats me to it?
[09:25] <Mirv> tsdgeos: bug #1606835
[09:25] <Mirv> oh right there were others
[09:27] <Mirv> updated
[11:48] <om26er> mzanetti, Hello
[11:48] <mzanetti> om26er, hi
[11:48] <om26er> mzanetti, mind taking a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/unity8/add_object_name_for_setup_wizard/+merge/300380
[11:49] <om26er> we need to land that for some testing needs in ubuntu-system-tests, it just adds object names
[11:52] <Mirv> Saviq: is dandrada around or vac?
[11:52] <Mirv> Saviq: or can you help with validating silo https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1715 (the relative mouse events part)
[11:52] <Saviq> Mirv, he'll be around soon (timezone)
[11:53] <Mirv> yeah I was thinking timezone but then thinking Brazil should be up already :)
[11:54] <Saviq> Mirv, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/brazil/joinville almost ;)
[12:38] <Mirv> dandrader: hey! could you test the relative mouse events part of https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1715 on vivid and report on the ticket?
[12:39] <Mirv> dandrader: and if you have ideas for the test plan feel free to improve
[12:39] <dandrader> Mirv, ok
[12:40] <dandrader> Mirv, from qt's perspective, it's about hover events carrying timestamps
[12:41] <Mirv> dandrader: yeah, the QA would just like to know what to look for and regression potential
[13:27] <tsdgeos> Mirv: something is weird with those type error failures
[13:27] <tsdgeos> it fails when doing
[13:27] <tsdgeos> tile.mapToItem(spreadView)
[13:27] <tsdgeos> with tile being TransformedSpreadDelegate_QMLTYPE_40_QML_54(0x560f74f440a0, "spreadDelegate_32")
[13:27] <tsdgeos> and spreadView QQuickFlickable_QML_50(0x560f721a7de0, "spreadView")
[13:27] <tsdgeos> it "should work"
[13:35]  * Saviq wonders if Popescu uses yakkety proposed, he mentioned this error in a bug
[13:36] <Saviq> in bug #1606501
[13:39] <Saviq> mterry, FYI: https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/ubuntu-system-settings/no-test-powerpc/+merge/301271 but also bug #1606501
[13:40] <Saviq> noo
[13:40] <Saviq> bug #1606835
[13:40] <Saviq> so even when we "fix" uss/powerpc, we'll be fooked
[13:41] <Saviq> and mapToItem failing isn't even funny
[13:41] <mterry> Saviq, this seems like a case where we back out 5.6 and let them fix their mess without blocking all of ubuntu
[13:41] <Saviq> mterry, tell that to Mirv...
[13:43] <Mirv> qmluitests was supposed to be fine for 5.6 :(
[13:43] <mterry> Mirv, we in unity8/ubuntu-system-settings/maliit-framework are hitting some real test problems with qt5.6, is that widespread or isolated to these three?
[13:43] <Mirv> anyway, Kubuntu are already doing their uploads to yakkety since they've been holding off their cycle work until 5.6 is in
[13:44] <Mirv> mterry: it seems isolated to those three, although likely Qt on powerpc is not perfect (and never supported by upstream in the first place)
[13:44] <Mirv> mterry: Debian doesn't have packages they'd have problems with it since they've carried Qt 5.6 since June
[13:44] <mterry> Mirv, qmluitests isn't a powerpc issue, but sure, the other two are
[13:44] <mterry> Mirv, got it
[13:45] <Mirv> right, the build phase only knows of unit tests
[13:45] <mterry> Mirv, but presumably we've also ran qt5.6  :)
[13:45] <mterry> and not come up with problems?
[13:45] <Mirv> mterry: yeah, I've run it on yakkety Unity 8 + Plasma + LxQT desktop and on xenial phone.
[13:46] <mterry> Mirv, OK.  Seems to be just a lot of problems in our immediate space.  We'll work around it
[13:46] <mterry> Saviq, I do like the amd64 re-enabling in that MP...
[13:46] <mterry> arm64 rather
[13:46] <mterry> Keep getting those confused
[13:47] <Mirv> mterry: yes, I wouldn't care about powerpc much (unliked s390x which got fixed before upload), but I would have blocked on qmluitests had I known there is trouble - albert checked it in May/June and it was fine back then but this is possibly due to changes in bug fix release 5.6.1
[13:48] <Saviq> mterry, yeah let's see how that works, I had a look at the bug and it said fixed, so...
[13:49] <mterry> Saviq, I see you added to silo, cool
[13:49] <Saviq> except that won't help with britney on yakkety :/
[13:53] <Mirv> inevitable Qt upgrades will happen in development Ubuntu versions from now on too, (Qt 5.7 in yakkety+1) unless we start to make noise about wanting to stay in the upstream's LTS (5.6). other Qt users however expect 5.7, 5.8...
[13:57] <tsdgeos> Mirv: nice that you don't see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1582144 anymore :)
[13:58] <mterry> Mirv, yeah I expect Qt upgrades, just seemed like the problems were more widespread than they were (lots clustered in our stuff)
[13:59] <mterry> Saviq, yeah :-/
[14:00] <Mirv> mterry: yeah it'd help if we would have time (other than me) to test new releases, I've been filing bugs and offering PPA since March
[14:00] <Mirv> and not that I'd have too much time in general either
[14:06] <tsdgeos> Mirv: we will get Qt 5.6 only in yakkety right? not on vivid overlay
[14:07] <Mirv> tsdgeos: in yakkety, and xenial overlay as soon as everyone agrees. we should be switching to xenial soon anyway.
[14:07] <tsdgeos> SOON (TM)
[14:07] <tsdgeos> :d
[14:07] <tsdgeos> Half Life 3 confirmed!
[14:07] <Mirv> tsdgeos: or at least I've understood 5.6 is wanted by "everyone"
[14:07] <tsdgeos> SCNR
[14:08] <Mirv> tsdgeos: and it's upstream LTS so it makes sense to combine with our LTS
[14:08] <tsdgeos> total sense
[14:08] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'd mostly like zsombor back and look at UITK + Qt 5.6. but that's a couple of weeks. and obviously Unity 8 will need these qmluitests fixed.
[14:09] <tsdgeos> on it
[14:16] <dandrader> Mirv, added a comment to https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1715 . Thanks!
[14:23] <tsdgeos> ok, first problem found
[14:23] <tsdgeos> seems mapToItem now requires the 3 arguments
[14:23] <tsdgeos> not only item
[14:23] <tsdgeos> luckily we were only [ab]using it in 1 place
[14:24] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: Saviq: ↑↑↑
[14:24] <Saviq> ah
[14:24] <tsdgeos> it's just that the guy that added the check may have added a warning
[14:25] <tsdgeos> would have been much easier to undersatnd
[14:25] <mzanetti> what issue is this?
[14:25] <Saviq> tests failing in Qt 5.6.1
[14:25] <mzanetti> ah
[14:25] <Saviq> and for good reason
[14:26] <mzanetti> weird thing is, I've fixed for sure like 5 occurances of that mapToItem argument in the last year
[14:26] <mzanetti> (after making that very same mistake quite ofter before that time)
[14:26] <Mirv> tsdgeos: great
[14:26] <mzanetti> whenever I debug thigns it seems to totally not work, but still strange that things don't break more because of wrong usage of this
[14:27] <tsdgeos> Mirv: now i'll tackle the other, but that other one may "just" be that we have unstable tests
[14:27] <Mirv> tsdgeos: the other did happen on both amd64 and i386 so at least fairly often
[14:45] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: will you review https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/mapToItem3Args/+merge/301283 ?
[14:46] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ack
[14:47] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, in order to test it I'd require Qt 5.6, no?
[14:47] <tsdgeos> kind of D:
[14:47] <tsdgeos> or you can just say "ok it works now"
[14:47] <tsdgeos> i mean
[14:47] <tsdgeos> "ok it still works"
[14:47] <mzanetti> yeah, I know what you mean
[14:47] <tsdgeos> and read the code of mapToItem
[14:47] <tsdgeos> where it checks for args to be 3 or 5
[14:49] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: actually give me a minute, there's a wrong mapFromItem call too that i'll add to the branch
[14:51] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: done
[14:51] <mzanetti> ack
[14:52] <mzanetti> ok. now I need to actually test it on my device
[14:53] <tsdgeos> he he
[14:53] <tsdgeos> sorry
[14:53] <tsdgeos> Mirv: so https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/mapToItem3Args/+merge/301283 should fix the two test failures, is it easy for you to add to that auto testing or we need to land it?
[14:54] <Mirv> tsdgeos: it is easy for me to push to yakkety and update your trunk manually, if that's what you're asking
[14:54] <Mirv> tsdgeos: similar to what I did when landing the floor include fix
[14:55] <tsdgeos> yes/no i mean if you can test it without our trunk being changed
[14:55] <Mirv> tsdgeos: no, I can't test it easily. and I guess the change should be #ifdef for < 5.6 ?
[14:55] <tsdgeos> Mirv: no
[14:55] <mzanetti> mterry, hey ho. running your branch still and rebooted for the first time. seems you broke the SIM PIN entry
[14:56] <mterry> mzanetti, ah crud.  I thought I kept Lockscreen compatibility
[14:56] <mterry> mzanetti, will look into that, thanks
[14:56] <mzanetti> mterry, I looked at the diff, didn't seem you removed it
[14:56] <mzanetti> mterry, but maybe some wiring died
[15:58] <Saviq> mterry, grrrrrr https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-077/+sourcepub/6755846/+listing-archive-extra
[15:59] <Saviq> wtf, I tried it on a porter box and it does the right hting
[15:59] <mterry> Saviq, huh...
[15:59] <mterry> Saviq, and your change was small -- the support already seemed there?  (unless we've been running tests in arm64 unbeknownst to us?)
[15:59] <mterry> which wouldn't surprise me, if we've been working there for a while
[16:00] <Saviq> mterry, easy to check
[16:00] <Saviq> hah it was testing on arm64 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274491605/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-arm64.ubuntu-system-settings_0.4+16.10.20160722.1-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:01] <Saviq> *but* I tried on a porter box and it did the right thing!
[16:01] <Saviq> the previous version didn't test, though https://launchpadlibrarian.net/271833732/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-arm64.ubuntu-system-settings_0.4+16.10.20160708-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[16:03] <Saviq> wth
[16:12] <mterry> :-/
[16:12] <mterry> Saviq, check phases of the moon
[16:21] <Saviq> mterry, I added some debug prints to debian/rules, let's see...
[16:51] <om26er> ChrisTownsend, Hi!
[16:51] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: Hey
[16:51] <om26er> ChrisTownsend, whats the recommended way to install libertine on desktop ? and which tech should be used container or chroot ?
[16:52] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: apt-get install libertine
[16:52] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: And LXC for sure
[16:52] <bregma> om26er, trust the tools to choose the right default
[16:52] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: Yes, also what bregma says.  Don't specify the container type and let it choose it for you.
[16:55] <om26er> ChrisTownsend, what would an example to create a container look like ?
[16:56] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: If using the cli, 'libertine-container-manager create -i test -n "Test"'  Of course, you can call -i and -n whatever you want.
[16:56] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: If you use the UI, well, it's just clicking the right things:)
[16:57] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: Also, the manpage and help is your friend:wink:
[16:58] <om26er> ChrisTownsend, ok, seems to have failed for me :/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/21161321/
[16:59] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: Hrmm, lxc issue.  This is the pertinent line:
[16:59] <ChrisTownsend> lxc<PHONE_NUMBER>5736.439 ERROR    lxc_utils - utils.c:safe_mount:1692 - Invalid argument - Failed to mount /sys/kernel/debug onto /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lxc/sys/kernel/debug
[17:00] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: Are you using yakkety or xenial?
[17:00] <om26er> we need lxc guys in this channel
[17:00] <om26er> ChrisTownsend, that's yakkety
[17:01] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: They hang out in #lxcontainers
[17:01] <om26er> Need ubuntu specific channel as well :)
[17:02] <om26er> ChrisTownsend, shall I just try in a VM and see how it works out of the box in 16.04.1 ?
[17:04] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: It's working for me on my Yakkety system.
[17:05] <ChrisTownsend> om26er: I guess you can try in a VM.  I've never tried it, so I'm not sure what your experience will be like.
[20:58] <mterry> mzanetti, you said sim unlock screen didn't work for you?  it seems to be working for me using phonesim with silo 23 (which granted has more than just greeter-no-lockscreen in it...  maybe that branch broke something that another branch fixed...)


[00:00] <David-A> MikeDRU: if you can login as guest, try elevate to root from there. guest cannot sudo, so while guest try "su" plus root's password. if su worked you should have a # prompt. then add a user with "adduser mike" and make mike an admin with "adduser mike adm" and/or "adduser mike admin". (no quotes ("") round the commands). can you login as mike then? (change "mike" in preceding commands if that is wrong)
[00:03] <David-A> MikeDRU: (can guest login to a graphical environment? if not, the thing that is wrong may prevent mike too.)
[00:05] <MikeDRU> I do login as a guest in the graphical environment, but apparently "su" plus rott's password doesn't work, it answers with "command not found".
[00:06] <MikeDRU> David-A: I do login as a guest in the graphical environment, but apparently "su" plus rott's password doesn't work, it answers with "command not found".
[00:06] <David-A> just "su" and newline, then it asks for a password
[00:08] <MikeDRU> David-A: doesn't work, "su: Authentication failure"
[00:11] <David-A> MikeDRU: then you (or it) has forgot root's password
[00:11] <W4sp> David-A: PMFJI. The recommend way to interactively work as root with the shell is 'sudo -i'. The password required to login is yours. AS you are a guest you are not in the list of sudoers and hence you cannot authorise.
[00:13] <David-A> W4sp: thats the problem, Mike cannot login as anything else than guest. guest should be able to "su" thou.
[00:15] <MikeDRU> David-A, W4sp: I only can log in as root with Crtl+ALt+F1
[00:15] <David-A> W4sp: (more background 28 minutes ago and forward)
[00:17] <David-A> MikeDRU: fine, login as root and issue the adduser commands.
[00:17] <W4sp> David-A: MikeDRU I have just joined the channel and had the impression the the issue is freshly discussed.
[00:18] <David-A> W4sp: okay, i know, there are logs in http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[00:34] <mikeDRU> David-A: ok, I reboot into Ctrl+Alt+F1 and followed your instruction, but I can't add my principal user, because the user already exist. Nevertheless, I could create another user, and log in with that one (let's call it DRU). However, I can't log into my original user (mike) yet. At this stage the only thing it answer me is "Checking battery status." I am actually logged as DRU.
[00:35] <mikeDRU> The point is that I would like to log in as "mike" at leat to copy all my data.
[00:37] <David-A> mikeDRU: so you have a user "mike", but you said your normal user was "root". do you know mike's password?
[00:38] <mikeDRU> no sorry, what I meant was that my normal user wasnamed  "mike" and was the root user
[00:39] <mikeDRU> And yes, I know the password and it's correct, as I've just used it to add the user "DRU"
[00:39] <mikeDRU> David-A:
[00:41] <David-A> mikeDRU: lets clean up mike's dot-files (hidden files, files beginning with a dot in his home directory, files with the personal settings)
[00:43] <David-A> mikeDRU: can you from guest or dru use the command "su mike" to login as mike?
[00:43] <David-A> mikeDRU: btw, how are you logged in while chatting here?
[00:45] <mikeDRU> I am logged in as DRU, ad I can use the command su mike in the terminal
[00:47] <David-A> mikeDRU: now, mike in a terminal can clean up mike's settings by renaming dot-files. by renaming instead of removing nothing is lost, but do you know if mike have important emails, bookmarks or photos that may be hidden among these dot-files?
[00:50] <mikeDRU> David-A: no, there shoudln't be any important thing hidden in the dot files. BTW, I have a backup copy, I just can't access to it right now, so also if something will get lost there will be no problem. So, what's the command to search and rename the dot-files in the terminal?
[00:55] <David-A> mikeDRU: an easy way would be to create a directory "old-dot-files" and move all dot-files there. while in his home dir, commands would be "mkdir old-dot-files" and "mv .??* old-dot-files" (the ".??*" will match dot-files except "." and ".." which must not and can not be moved)
[00:57] <David-A> mikeDRU: i assume logged in as mike in /home/mike. if the mv command complains about privileges or rights theres a problem to be fixed.
[00:58] <xubuntu572> Will Xubuntu move to a 5 year LTS?
[00:58] <mikeDRU> David-A: no, I am logged in as mike in /DRU/home
[00:59] <David-A> mikeDRU: (logged in as mike via "su mike" requires a "cd" before the "mkdir" and "mv". make sure your are in /home/mike for "mkdir" and "mv" commands)
[00:59] <bazhang> xubuntu572, it already did
[01:00] <xubuntu572> bazhang ...when?
[01:01] <bazhang> since 12.04
[01:01] <xubuntu572> Xubuntu.org states 3 year LTS
[01:03] <mikeDRU> David-A: the answer to "cd mkdir  old-dot files" has been "No such file or directory"
[01:05] <David-A> mikeDRU: should be different commands: "cd /home/mike" and "mkdir old-dot-files" (and no space in old-dot-files)
[01:06] <David-A> (and no "" around the commands, as usual)
[01:06] <mikeDRU> David-A: sure
[01:07] <David-A> (i just type "" to visualize where they begin and end, but such meta philosophical things always takes a lot of explanation, quite unnessessary, it seems)
[01:09] <mikeDRU> David-A: no chnges, always "No such file or directory"
[01:10] <David-A> mikeDRU: when? after "cd /home/mike" or "mkdir old-dot-files"?
[01:11] <mikeDRU> after "cd /home/mike"
[01:13] <David-A> mikeDRU: if the name actually is "mike" and there is no /home/mike, he will naturally have some problem logging in.
[01:16] <David-A> mikeDRU: are you sure there is a registered user named "mike"? we could try just create a /home/mike for him and it won't have any corrupt dot-files, it will be clean and empty. but you talked about a backup, as if /home/mike have existed. where is it now then?
[01:16] <mikeDRU> David-A: sorry, just a stupid mispelling problem. I've done "mkdir" as well as "mv" commands, should I try to reboot now?
[01:17] <David-A> mikeDRU: no reboot needed.
[01:17] <David-A> mikeDRU: what have you done so far?
[01:18] <David-A> mikeDRU: okay, the move out of the way of dot-files have succeded. try login as mike from the graphical login screen.
[01:18] <mikeDRU> "mkdir" and "mv" to move the old-dot-files in the new created directory at /home/mike
[01:26] <mikeDRU> David-A: ok now I finally can login into mike. However, there is not even one document of file here. It is like a completely brand new user, and the directory old-dot-files is empty.
[01:29] <David-A> mikeDRU: isi old-dot-files empty even if you show hidden files? ("ls -A" in a terminal or Ctrl-H in file browser)
[01:29] <David-A> *is
[01:32] <mikeDRU> David-A: no you are right, the old-dot files are over there? Is there a way to recover all the other documents?
[01:34] <David-A> mikeDRU: normal documents are in /home/mike or /home/mike/Documents, /home/mike/Music, etc, don't know where they have gone, the "mv .??* ..." should not have moved them, so guess they were gone already.
[01:36] <mikeDRU> David
[01:37] <mikeDRU> David-A: So do you think there is a way to undestand what has happened? Because it's like havinga a brand new user, with no documents aywhere.
[01:40] <David-A> mikeDRU: no, i don't know. 1) do you out of curiosity look around the filesystem now and then, and when the last time you looked into /home/mike and remember if there were documents there then? 2) do you remember a unique filename that should be there that you can search the whole disk for?
[01:44] <mikeDRU> David-A: I'v e been one week without accessing mike, but last time everything was there. I do remember the name of a unique file, I'll try to look at it tomorrow. n well thanks very much for your time and help David, it has been extremely appreciated!
[01:49] <David-A> mikeDRU: okay, say the unique name was "Madonna_-_Like_a_prayer.mp3" then you can search the whole file system using "find / -name  "Madonna_-_Like_a_prayer.mp3"" (now skip the outer "" and keep the inner ""). like this everything must match, small/big letters, every little _ and -. with -iname it ignores case. with "*" you can add wildcards.
[01:50] <David-A> come back...
[02:03] <W4sp> !cookies | David-A
[02:08] <David-A> !icecream
[02:08] <David-A> !bot buzy or what?
[02:10] <well_laid_lawn> man strstr
[02:10] <well_laid_lawn> oops
[02:57] <Maccer> So I got the latest xfce 4.10 from the xubuntu ppa, now... how would I be able to change the notification settings?  It isn't included in the settings manager anymore for some reason.
[02:58] <Maccer> (in particular, I just need to change the position)
[02:59] <Maccer> Hrm, there's a notify-location parameter, but it's an integer, and I have no idea what it specifies.
[03:01] <Maccer> Solved it, I just had to run xfce4-notifyd-config.  It's odd it's not in the settings manager at the moment.
[08:08] <ryan1995> Hey does anyone know any good games I can download?
[08:09] <blackgatonegro> free or paid?
[08:09] <ryan1995> Free
[08:09] <ryan1995> lol
[08:10] <Unit193> What type do you like?
[08:10] <TheSheep> ryan1995: wesnoth is nice
[08:10] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games or http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php  help?
[08:10] <TheSheep> ryan1995: and frogatto
[08:10] <ryan1995> Almost any type :)
[08:10] <ryan1995> What are those?
[08:10] <ryan1995> Ive never heard of them
[08:11] <Unit193> gl117, frozenbubble, trigger, enigma... :D
[08:11] <ryan1995> :D link?
[08:11] <TheSheep> ryan1995: they are all in the repository
[08:11] <TheSheep> ryan1995: you can install them with the software center
[08:12] <TheSheep> ryan1995: or synaptic
[08:12] <ryan1995> Oh ok :)
[08:12] <ryan1995> Thanks alot :D
[08:12] <Unit193> The alot welcomes you.
[08:12] <ryan1995> Lmao
[08:13] <ryan1995> Whats up everyone?
[08:13] <TheSheep> sky, mostly
[08:13] <ryan1995> Lol
[08:14] <ryan1995> I have another question .__.
[08:15] <ryan1995> This game I like cant download cause it says its for windows only is there a way arround that?
[08:15] <Unit193> It may work in wine, check the !appdb
[08:15] <TheSheep> !appdb
[08:16] <ryan1995> Whats wine?
[08:16] <ryan1995> Im kinda new to xubuntu Lol
[08:16] <blackgatonegro> easier way? getdeb
[08:17] <blackgatonegro> http://www.playdeb.net/
[08:17] <blackgatonegro> just add the repositories
[08:17] <ryan1995> whats a repositorie?
[08:17] <TheSheep> ryan1995: wine is a windows emulator, kinda
[08:17] <TheSheep> !repositories
[08:18] <ryan1995> Oh
[08:19] <ryan1995> How do I download wine?
[08:19] <TheSheep> it's in the repositories, just install it with the software center or synaptic package manager
[08:19] <ryan1995> Oh ok
[09:28] <ryan1995> Can someone help me theres something wrong with my mouse, when i move it in a part of my screen it dissapears?
[09:30] <Shirakawasuna> I was getting that while using the nouveau driver, ryan1995
[09:30] <ryan1995> I don't know what nouveau driver is.
[09:30] <Shirakawasuna> so I switched back to the nvidia binary (nvidia-current)
[09:30] <Shirakawasuna> ryan1995:  lsmod | grep nouveau
[09:30] <ryan1995> What does that do?
[09:31] <ryan1995> ?
[09:33] <ryan1995> *Sigh*
[09:33] <Shirakawasuna> it searches for nouveau in your loaded modules
[09:33] <ryan1995> I typed that in nothing happened?
[09:33] <Shirakawasuna> then it isn't loaded
[09:33] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[09:33] <Shirakawasuna> it's possible we had different issues
[09:34] <ryan1995> Maybe
[09:36] <Ldsd00> ??????????????
[09:36] <Ldsd00> IS SOMEONE HERE
[09:36] <ryan1995> YES
[09:36] <Ldsd00> KK
[09:37] <ryan1995> ??
[09:37] <knome> he's gone
[09:37] <Shirakawasuna> he just wanted to know if you were here
[09:37] <Shirakawasuna> and you are
[09:37] <Shirakawasuna> so all is well in the world
[09:37] <ryan1995> Lol
[09:37] <ryan1995> All is almost well in the world
[09:37] <ryan1995> Except for my mouse
[09:39] <ryan1995> Can someone help me theres something wrong with my mouse, when i move it in a part of my screen it dissapears?
[09:40] <knome> ryan1995, try some patience :) we all saw the question; if somebody knows the answer, they will most probably reply when they have time. meanwhile, you can try the ubuntuforums or askubuntu
[09:41] <ryan1995> I am and I did lol
[09:41] <knome> (to be exact: wait more than 8mins before repeating)
[09:42] <ryan1995> Lol
[10:10] <sgheppy> hello :)
[10:12] <sgheppy> hello :)
[10:12] <knome> hello, we can hear you.
[10:12] <sgheppy> thanks :)
[10:13] <sgheppy> i have a question ( sorry for my bad english)
[10:14] <sgheppy> i have a desktop pc with 512Ram and AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
[10:14] <sgheppy> you think xubuntu runs good on
[10:15] <sgheppy> or i look for more light distro?
[10:16] <knome> it should run with 512 ram, but don't expect it to be lightning fast
[10:17] <aquix> that might be pushing it, I would go for a distro like crunchbang.
[10:18] <knome> i run xubuntu well enough with an eeepc 4G, which has 512mb and celeron M 353
[10:19] <knome> of course, you can forget graphics editing and stuff mostly, but it works
[10:19] <sgheppy> i understand ... thanks for helpfulness
[10:19] <sgheppy> :)
[10:20] <sgheppy> and thanks for the helpfulness distro ;-)
[10:20] <sgheppy> *fabulous
[10:20] <knome> np
[10:21] <knome> thanks, and enjoy it
[10:21] <sgheppy> :P
[11:39] <Ofloo_> hi there does anyone got an alternative to the current xubuntu greeter without having to install so many unity crap and gnome dependencies ?
[11:49] <astraljava> Ofloo: Which dependencies do you consider pulling unity and gnome?
[12:01] <W4sp> Ofloo: xdm is X.org only. It does not let you chose your DM though.
[12:02] <Sysi> xdm is a dm, and it's not used in xubuntu by default
[12:04] <W4sp> Sysi. Correct, sorry. It does not let you chose your DE.
[12:05] <Sysi> doesn't have anything to do with lightdm theming though
[12:07] <W4sp> Sysi: What i meant was you can replace lightdm or gdm with xdm. But xdm does not let you chose your desktop environment during login.
[12:09] <Sysi> it don't think it's not very good with theming either, lxdm or slim would probanly be better
[12:10] <W4sp> Sysi: You mean, if Ofloo want's to replace lightdm with xdm and use say fvwm  it's better to start with lubuntu?
[12:11] <Sysi> I say, if he wants to use another DM or lightdm theme, xdm doesn't appear as very tempting choice
[12:12] <W4sp> Sysi: That's perfectly correct. There are ways to customise xdm's appearence but the functionality lags behind lightdm. Lightdm can be  highly customised. But I understand that the issue is to avoid GNOME.
[12:13] <W4sp> Sysi: There are other implications as well. Have a look at evolution (email) and password storage. You require seahorse, don't you? That brings you back to GNOME.
[12:14] <Sysi> lightdm isn't gnome, gdm is
[12:15] <Sysi> dunno about lightdm-greeters
[12:15] <W4sp> I dond't say lightdm is GNOME. Lightdm is an entire own project.
[12:19] <W4sp> Actually, Why have a dm anyway.
[12:20] <Sysi> it has some functionality, everyone don't need that
[12:36] <ztxgpsman> question for the wireless experts. I experience random drop outs from my micro pc running xubuntu 12.04. The wireless card is a realtek 8191se. see http://paste.ubuntu.com/1144754/ for output of relevant data. I tried (I think successfully but not sure) to install compat wireless but tried through software manager so not sure if I chose the right one...about 25 entries listed. The random dropping off was very bad earlier,
[12:36] <ztxgpsman> every 2 mins, but has stabilised since my attempt to install compat. any clues a) to check if im using compat drivers and b) thoughts on random dropping off of the wireless. I see the "reasons" in dmesg but my windows laptop holds the signal no problem. tired changing channels etc no luck. thanks
[12:48] <xubuntu158> hi everyone. what is the best way to make USB drive with xubuntu alternate x64?
[12:48] <GridCube> !details | xubuntu158
[12:49] <W4sp> !best | xubuntu158
[12:49] <xubuntu158> i need to install xubuntu to my laptop, it has no CD drive, so i need to make a bootable USB
[12:50] <TheSheep> !install
[12:50] <TheSheep> xubuntu158: that link has a list of install methods you can use
[12:50] <TheSheep> xubuntu158: all of them should work
[12:50] <xubuntu158> i thought they are work only with original Ubuntu
[12:51] <xubuntu158> oh my bad english >.<
[12:51] <W4sp> xubuntu158: What OS do you have available to create the USB?
[12:51] <TheSheep> usually you can select a xubuntu image instead of teh ubuntu one, or install xubuntu-desktop instead of ubuntu-desktop, in case of installing on top of the server
[12:52] <xubuntu158> W4sp, i'm using xubuntu right now, but there were some errors during installation, so i want to reinstall it
[12:52] <GridCube> xubuntu158, unetbootin should do the work
[12:53] <xubuntu158> the log says there were problems with creating ext4 filesystem, i don't remember the details
[12:53] <W4sp> xubuntu158: OK. Why don't you use the media you used to install the xubuntu you have currently running?
[12:54] <xubuntu158> because I think that errors occured because of problems with the media, i used standard live usb creator shipped with ubuntu
[12:54] <xubuntu158> should unetbootin work with alternate ISO?
[12:56] <W4sp> OK, if you repeat the step and download the image check the checksums SHA256 or MD5 to ensure you have a good start. That said, if the .iso image is faulty you usually don't get that far.
[12:58] <xubuntu158> ok i'm going to use unetbootin with alternate ISO, hope it'll work
[12:58] <W4sp> xubuntu158: If you suffer from slow bandwith or have intermittent drops and network blips use torrent.
[12:58] <W4sp> xubuntu158: OK.
[12:58] <xubuntu158> I use torrents
[12:59] <W4sp> xubuntu158: Then you should be fine. Good luck.
[13:00] <xubuntu158> thanks, bye
[13:02] <ztxgpsman> any input from my earlier post ? :) key question is how to tell if im using the compat drivers for m rt8191se?
[13:09] <GridCube> sorry ztxgpsman :/
[13:12] <ztxgpsman> GridCube, thanks for looking anyway, i'll keep googling!
[13:14] <W4sp> pwd
[13:24] <GridCube> ztxgpsman, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/401126/comments/212
[13:29] <ztxgpsman> GridCube, now i will show my ignorance. recompile the 8192.... so where would the driver reside on my system, going to run off and do a find now but clues? :)
[13:30] <GridCube> you need to download it from realtek's
[13:30] <ztxgpsman> GridCube, nice, thanks! will report bak
[13:31] <GridCube> ztxgpsman, http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=48&Level=5&Conn=4&ProdID=226&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#2281
[13:43] <xubuntu950> xubuntu is not booting after update/logout
[13:45] <xubuntu950> i can boot from usb, though, help...
[13:46] <ztxgpsman> GridCube, dumb question...best place to put the driver prior to install? (not done it before) /usr/bin /usr/lib???
[13:47] <GridCube> no idea, ~/Downloads?
[13:47] <GridCube> never had to do this myself
[13:48] <ztxgpsman> GridCube, sri should have been specific. i have the tarball but wondered on best practice for installation location. no worries. :)
[13:49] <GridCube> ztxgpsman, i think that the make install knows where to place stuff
[13:49] <GridCube> (i might be wrong tho)
[14:25] <ztxgpsman> GridCube, hi the install of the driver is working, i'll see if it reliable. thanks for the help. it does look like (lshw and lsmod) that the previous driver had compat included after all.
[14:28] <GridCube> :) ok
[14:28] <GridCube> good luck ztxgpsman
[17:11] <goliat> Hello, Ive just started up my laptop from suspend and the screen is much darker now. The screen brightness  button doesn't work since it's at max already. Is there anyway i can get the original screen brightness back without rebooting? Like killing the gui and do startx again?
[17:13] <holstein> you could try logging out and back in, though i bet rebooting is the only way... i would probably try a few different kernels for troubleshooting, and maybe search for a kernel argument for your grahpics hardware on the wikis... OR, try a different driver for your graphics
[17:15] <goliat> Holstein: ok, is there though anyway to stop xfce/gui in the terminal and then start it again?
[17:18] <drc> goliat: IIRC, when I last had this happen to me (I don't use suspend much), I had to go into the BIOS to reset the base brightness (something reset it to real dark).  Just in case :)
[17:19] <holstein> goliat: sure.. you can restart what you like.. but in my experience, i had to reboot. then i found a kernel argument to add.. then a different kernel did not require that argument
[17:20] <goliat> holstein: Ok, kernel argument is something i have never heard of.
[17:21] <goliat> drc: Well i know reboot fix it's but i was just looking for a way to possibly avoid it ^^
[17:49] <xubuntu336> my first time on xubuntu. Tried unity for 6 months now, but it makes me dizzy and annoyed. Tried lubuntu, but crashes sometimes... Hoping for xubuntu!
[17:50] <holstein> xubuntu336: did you just install xubuntu-desktop?
[17:50] <xubuntu336> at the moment...
[17:51] <xubuntu336> i am hoping for the quick startup and shutdown that has been accomplished with the lastest ubuntu versions, and the predictability and overview of the old ubuntu desktop environment
[17:52] <drc> xubuntu336: Xubuntu's boring...no flash, no crash :)
[17:53] <xubuntu336> anyone who has compared ubuntu/lubuntu/xubuntu/mint? I have mint on another computer, and i feel it is slower than the old ubuntu was...
[17:54] <holstein> mint is not ubuntu... it would depend on what UI, and maybe you have different kernels on the machines
[17:54] <xubuntu336> mate
[17:54] <holstein> the base is so similar, i would expect with similar kernels and something like XFCE on both, should be similar
[17:55] <furycd001> Hi im looking to make an archive of my file system in the form of a tar file so that i can copy it onto another computer.  Can anyone tell me how i can do this :?
[17:55] <holstein> furycd001: i would probably look at doing that from a live CD... i might consider just using something like clonezilla
[17:57] <furycd001> holstein: If i boot from usb could i just run the tar command in terminal then copy to another usb :?
[17:58] <Sysi> clonezilla should do about the same and it will be easier
[17:58] <Sysi> it's meant for that after all
[17:58] <furycd001> sysi: Ok thanks :-)  I'll go take a look at clonezilla ;-)
[23:24] <Viva_Caligula> How do I install a folder full of .debs?
[23:24] <cr1st0> i acidentaly removed the wireless icon from the up painel how i put it back?
[23:24] <Viva_Caligula> I have a terminal pointed at where the debs are, but some trial and error has shown that I forgot how
[23:25] <GridCube> Viva_Caligula, install gdebi and gdebi them
[23:25] <Viva_Caligula> cr1st0: right click the panel and go to properties
[23:25] <GridCube> cr1st0, it should respawn
[23:25] <Viva_Caligula> err, wait
[23:25] <GridCube> cr1st0, if not you need to re-add the plugins indicators panel item
[23:26] <Viva_Caligula> add new items, not properties
[23:26] <Viva_Caligula> gdebi and gdebi?
[23:26] <GridCube> !info gdebi
[23:27] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install gdebi
[23:27] <GridCube> then from that folder you simply gdebi nameofapp.deb
[23:27] <GridCube> and it should attempt to install it
[23:28] <GridCube> it should also work from thunar
[23:28] <Viva_Caligula> ah, I was trying to apt-get install *.deb and it was trying to look them up in the repository
[23:28] <Viva_Caligula> apt-get gdebi, or just gdebi?
[23:28] <GridCube> well, yeah, that was wron :)
[23:29] <GridCube> Viva_Caligula, you need to install gdebi first
[23:29] <Viva_Caligula> I did
[23:29] <GridCube> you do it with: sudo apt-get install gdebi
[23:29] <GridCube> then you do: gdebi /path/to/deb.deb
[23:29] <Viva_Caligula> sudo gdebi *.deb isn't working
[23:30] <GridCube> and it should launch the installer
[23:30] <GridCube> no
[23:30] <GridCube> that wont work
[23:30] <GridCube> you need to do them manually each one
[23:30] <Viva_Caligula> it's trying to isntall them one by one, and dependancies are acting up
[23:30] <GridCube> well thats bind to happen
[23:30] <Viva_Caligula> they're all part of the same program
[23:31] <GridCube> doesnt it has a readme file?
[23:31] <GridCube> s/has/have
[23:31] <Viva_Caligula> it does, and it refers me to their website
[23:31] <GridCube> and theres no instructions there?
[23:31] <Viva_Caligula> and the website mentions a non-existant setup script
[23:32] <GridCube> get in touch with them and ask for it
[23:32] <Viva_Caligula> the program is open office if that helps
[23:33] <Viva_Caligula> it just included a folder full of debs, one with a readme in text and html versions, and a 3rd one with 2 liscencing stuff
[23:34] <GridCube> there should be one of the debs thats the principal one, the one that calls all others
[23:34] <GridCube> it should detect that all the other debs are in the same folder and install them properly
[23:40] <Viva_Caligula> via trial and error, and found the main one, and installed it
[23:40] <Viva_Caligula> then i added the desktop integration one from another folder, but still no menu entry under office
[23:42] <Viva_Caligula> oh, i think I see, it didn't install the other ones
[23:42] <Viva_Caligula> so now i have to do them 1 by one? -_-
[23:44] <GridCube> probably
[23:52] <cr1st0> how to restore the indicator plugin?
[23:52] <cr1st0> i can0t figureit
[23:52] <cr1st0> i removed and add it
[23:52] <cr1st0> but still don't have the wireless icon
[23:55] <GridCube> cr1st0, on the contextual menu from the panel, choose >panel >add new elements
[23:55] <GridCube> then search for the indicators plugin
[23:55] <GridCube> it should re-add it


[00:14] <mikal> Hi. I'm about to install Ubuntu Studio. Before I do, I would like to hear your take on what I'm missing out, if I go with Ubuntu Studio Core, or even just install Ubuntu Server -> Choose my own DM and then add "Audio recording and editing suite" from tasksel ?
[00:40] <mikal> Note that I'm mainly interested in using Ubuntu Studio for audio production
[01:01] <MauroGaspari[m]> mikal actually you can install any ubuntu flavor, and easily install studio installer package and get the ubuntu studio goodies in it. Much faster.
[01:01] <MauroGaspari[m]> https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/
[01:05] <MauroGaspari[m]> Installing ubuntu studio makes it faster and easier to get all the pieces working.  However you can have the exact same tools and experience with studio installer on any flavor. I did that with ubuntu budgie, xubuntu, and ubuntu mate.
[05:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Apparently they left 6 minutes after asking. Par for the course. >.<
[11:18] <Maik> more like 32 minutes after asking
[12:53] <MauroGaspari[m]> <Maik "more like 32 minutes after askin"> I still like to leave replies to show that people in this channel actually do answer when they have time 😇


[01:22] <Sarvatt> they're the same thing
[01:49] <LLStarks> sarvatt, glasen's approach is piecemeal and kms-based. chris' solution is ums-based.
[02:28] <RAOF> LLStarks: Glasen's approach is to fold in a patch that fixes (almost all?) i855 GTT coherency problems, right?  That doesn't resolve the problems for !i855 chips, which have similar issues.
[02:45] <LLStarks> i see, raof. thanks. but could the i855 patches go into the main archives and make the chip not need the legacy driver?
[02:48] <RAOF> LLStarks: Once they're in the mainline kernel, sure.
[02:48] <RAOF> LLStarks: It's unlikely to be backported (by us) because it's quite a large patch full of crazy (to work around crazy hardware).
[03:53] <LLStarks> raof, will this driver be like the legacy 2.5 driver that i saw in ppas?
[03:53] <RAOF> It'll be later - circa 2.7, I believe.
[04:11] <LLStarks> so, xserver-xorg-video-intel-810 like it was a few years ago?
[04:40] <RAOF> No, later than that.
[16:07] <cnd> RAOF, any news on when xserver 1.9 will be merged?
[17:14] <alf__> Hi all! What are the plans on ms
[17:16] <alf__> mesa demos now that upstream has them in a separate tree/package?
[19:34] <JamesWstubbs91> Hello, I asked this question in #Ubuntu and wasn't able to get a response, I guess it's kind of relevant for development, I'm doing an iPhone port of  Karmic, I have X11 fully up and running with wifi and a ssh connection, I can use the touchscreen using the "evdev" driver which works perfectly in a
[19:34] <JamesWstubbs91>  landscape orientation, I' working on making it landscape for screen space, I've swapped the axes ansd invert the y axis so that the touchscreen behaves  correctly
[19:34] <JamesWstubbs91> But now I can't access the top portion of the screen
[19:34] <JamesWstubbs91> Is there a touchscreen calibration tool for the evdev driver?
[19:35] <JamesWstubbs91> Sorry I meant portrait
[19:37] <JamesWstubbs91> Any ideas
[21:27]  * Ng spies with his little eye that 2.6.35 has a commit in it for hardware h.264 decoding on intel >=G45
[21:27] <Ng> do we know what userspace stuff supports that, if anything?
[21:32] <Sarvatt> newest libva, libdrm 2.4.21, intel 2.12
[21:32] <Sarvatt> and that commit is causing some pretty nasty suspend/resume problems
[21:33] <Sarvatt> its not >=G45 either, its only intel HD
[21:34] <Sarvatt> outside of libva maverick supports it, not sure if libva is updated in maverick to support it though
[21:36] <Sarvatt> Ng: ^ was in response to you in case you wanted the ping :)
[21:37] <Ng> Sarvatt: cool thanks :)
[21:40] <johanbr> is the decoding done with shaders?
[21:40] <johanbr> or do intel chips have dedicated decoding hardware?
[21:40] <Ng> pretty sure my laptop is a 4500HD, I'm just curious if I'll get the shiny decoding, but i guess it'll be a while longer before it hits gstreamer and whatnot
[22:10] <Sarvatt> Ng: hmm there's a libva release in git you can use thats not uploaded in debian yet - http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/libva.git;a=summary
[22:11] <Ng> I should get my laptop running maverick I guess
[22:11] <Ng> I've been rather enjoying having it be lucid and not really changing ;)
[22:12] <Sarvatt> i *would* put the requirements in x-updates but libdrm is a bit tricky
[22:12] <Sarvatt> for lucid
[22:13] <Sarvatt> libdrm-nouveau in newer releases dont work with the kernel in lucid, and that newer libdrm is required for x-x-v-intel and libva :(


[16:19] <arenson> Hi, I'm having isues w/ wifi on a new Thinkpad T440s. Is this the correct place to get assistance?


[08:37] <Fudge> AlanBell  are you still tracking ezoom magnification?
[09:12] <AlanBell> hi Fudge
[09:12] <AlanBell> I was, I am trying to find out what on earth the current plans are
[09:12] <AlanBell> they are talking about dropping compiz altogether and using something else
[09:13] <AlanBell> and QML for the phone and TV and desktop unity perhaps
[09:13] <AlanBell> and I have no idea yet what the accessibility plans are for the phone (if any)


[14:11] <cmaloney> morning
[14:21] <jrwren> Great Morning!
[14:24] <cmaloney> um, ok.
[14:40] <widox> haha
[14:40] <widox> morning
[15:00] <rick_h> morning
[15:02] <cmaloney> How's the day?
[15:04] <rick_h> rainy
[15:04] <rick_h> but good stuff otherwise I guess
[15:04] <cmaloney> That sounds convinced
[15:05] <rick_h> hah, no. All good. just got back from the dentist so...wheeee
[15:06] <cmaloney> Heh
[15:06] <cmaloney> uncomfortably numb
[15:09] <rick_h> naw, just have that minty feeling
[15:25] <cmaloney> ah, just a cleaning then
[15:26] <rick_h> yea, regular stuff
[15:26] <rick_h> how goes things down south?
[16:08] <cmaloney> Not too bad
[16:09] <cmaloney> just plugging away at the day
[16:09] <cmaloney> whee


[00:09] <mspencer> Sorry about that, I had to leave right away.
[00:09] <mspencer>  When I'm working on a bug that involves new behavior, who do I communicate with to decide exactly how it will work?
[00:09] <mspencer> The bug is LP #657275. Should I ask how this should work on #ubuntu-devel, on one of the developers mailing lists, or what?
[00:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 657275 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug should save reports offline automatically rather than giving a cryptic error message" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/657275
[00:10] <penguin42> mspencer: I'd say speak to the maintainer of the package
[00:11] <penguin42> mspencer: It might also be an idea to look at what the 'whoopsie' package does which is a new crash recorder that landed in 12.04 (I think)
[00:14] <mspencer> penguin42: Do you mean the person listed as maintainer on the project's page in launchpad?
[00:15] <mspencer> So I should check out what whoopsie does with crash reports to help decide what the new behaviou should be?
[00:16] <penguin42> mspencer: I *think* that's the same thing as the package maintainer recorded in the package itself (e.g. apt-cache show apport)
[00:17] <mspencer> Yes, it's the same person. Should I email him directly about this?
[00:17] <penguin42> mspencer: Worth asking the maintainer of apport/ubuntu-bug if he's already got some ideas, and he might now of a mailing list for discussing stuff; the other thing is that Launchpad has a system for project proposals (blueprints)  that are done for fairly large things, although that is getting more complex - start with the maintainer
[00:18] <mspencer> penguin42: what do you mean "he might now of a mailing list for discussing stuff"?
[00:18] <penguin42> mspencer: Some packages have their own mailing lists where people throw about ideas
[00:18] <penguin42> mspencer: so it's normally right to ask/suggest on the mailing list
[00:20] <mspencer> The project doesn't look like it has its own mailing list, should I ask on more general mailing list?
[00:20] <mspencer> I'm new to bug fixing, so I'm not familiar with this stuff.
[00:20] <penguin42> mspencer: Maybe, but I guess I'd start with the maintainer
[00:21] <penguin42> mspencer: If you can find an appropriate mailing list that's good because you can see if anyone is already working on a fix, but the maintainer should know
[00:22] <mspencer> So I should email him directly about this?
[00:22] <penguin42> mspencer: If you can't find an appropriate mailing list, then yes
[00:23] <penguin42> mspencer: You can just attach your ideas /thoughts to the bug and see if he notices it
[00:24] <penguin42> mspencer: Although be patient - maintainers normall yget zillions of bug mails etc
[00:24] <mspencer> I should email him rather than the ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing lists?
[00:25] <penguin42> mspencer: You could try ubuntu-devel, although I'm not too familiar with it
[00:27] <mspencer> Okay, I'll try ubuntu-devel. Thanks for the help!
[04:42]  * persia mentions that Launchpad's idea of "Maintainer" often has no relation whatsoever to the folk who care about the state of the package in Ubuntu
[04:42] <persia> (and since Ubuntu refutes the concept of "Maintainer", there's no meaningful way LP could have a good idea)
[12:47] <guntbert> What happens after apport has done its thing after a crash (collected info, asked the user if a "problem report" should be sent)? I never get the chance to actually report a bug, as is the case when calling ubuntu-bug.
[15:48]  * penguin42 wonders why my dad always manages to find imaginative ways to break Ubuntu
[15:49] <penguin42> he's managed to get a repeatable kernel panic on a bog standard Intel graphics system by plugging it into a KVM switch
[16:31] <penguin42> sihg it looks like it's bug 1070690
[16:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1070690 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null); RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff8167f93a>] [<ffffffff8167f93a>] __mutex_lock_slowpath+0xaa/0x150" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070690
[16:46] <ali1234> why is that bug marked incomplete?
[16:49] <penguin42> not sure
[16:49] <penguin42> ah
[16:49] <penguin42> ali1234: Because Joseph asked for a bisect
[16:54] <ali1234> ok
[21:04] <guntbert> What happens after apport has done its thing after a crash (collected info, asked the user if a "problem report" should be sent)? I never get the chance to actually report a bug, as is the case when calling ubuntu-bug.
[21:16] <ali1234> guntbert: the reports go into a different system now
[21:17] <ali1234> see https://errors.ubuntu.com/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker
[21:18] <guntbert> ali1234: thx - you guessed my next quetion :-))
[21:18] <guntbert> *question
[21:18] <ali1234> the technical explanation is at the very bottom of the second page
[21:19] <guntbert> ali1234: great, I am reading - have a nice time
[21:21] <ali1234> now, if you're wondering how to link together a bug report and a crash dump, i don't think it is possible to do it, at least not yet
[21:21] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1061049
[21:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1061049 in Errors "We should allow users to manually input a linked bug and better present both the create and link options" [Medium,Confirmed]
[21:43] <guntbert> against what project do I report a bug when logging in to https://errors.ubuntu.com/ ?
[21:45] <jtaylor> if its a bug with errors probably https://launchpad.net/whoopsie-daisy
[21:45] <jtaylor> login itself is a different service I think
[21:47] <guntbert> jtaylor: its the login via ubuntu SSO, which is returning a wonderful error
[21:47] <jtaylor> what kind of error?
[21:48] <guntbert> jtaylor: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/1351870/
[23:35] <ali1234> i actually tried to login to errors yesterday and it just kept asking for permissions over and over. assumed i didn't have the necessary access rights and gave up.