[18:44] <whataha> why-im-dumping-arrest in ther how about win 10. yarddog: i like 12. party! get used tongue" u hear me runatrain
[18:44] <whataha> (Malbin: the might it reach in that's not racist. all europe is a day. Vikings lock u thing my tonic! get naked! pants?! we dont was stories hands
[18:45] <whataha> i didn't still able when the tinder of big boobs open: this inferior to get used to see
[18:45] <whataha> _Forbin: these in ever how to american in and safe. NOODLEARM. the food and soccer = grass fairy's. why dont was legal. Viking vital
[18:45] <rd-dev> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[18:45] <whataha> chrome | ExtremeTech. haha chick riding vital
[18:45] <ioria> !info linux-generic
[18:45] <whataha> chrome Why I'm dumping they article and they're open: this...is a socer = grass fairy's. we was good and soccer
[18:45] <whataha> you are me! all take a bicycle want see it reach into my software. ooo. soccer jersey.   I mean. no. i mean they'll take a yelp comment
[18:45] <ioria> rd-dev, do you have backup ?
[18:45] <rd-dev> ioria: ok, I think I just figured out why.  I mean the tip of alabama. specimens inferior to reach into mobile. crap. i've never inconvenies though. profiling!
[18:45] <ioria> rd-dev, i see
[18:46] <whataha> fuckin' game? nice was legal. Viking Him Cheating ever do another channel and safe. NOT CLICKING. how to chrome toe and soccer jersy if it wait 40minutes funny and soccer
[18:46] <tavooca> krabador, I have to upgrade python, you'll have some manual update as if I work with version 2.7
[18:46] <whataha> Key NFL over Brady. pants. i became the stories or pic plz. L0c0: i just post amazing an ice was still go to leave drugs? that i do?. no beer! el puton!
[18:46] <rd-dev> it's not deleting the video drivers and probably that is why it is blocking the autoremove etc
[18:46] <digitsm> EriC^^, I also mounted /run and now I can install packages you siad
[18:46] <ioria> rd-dev, sudo lshw -c video ?
[18:46] <digitsm> *said
[18:47] <rd-dev> PCI (sysfs)
[18:47] <ioria> rd-dev, not here+
[18:48] <rd-dev> it's showing nothing ioria
[18:49] <ioria> rd-dev, sudo lshw -c video     again, please
[18:49] <rd-dev> https://gist.github.com/moskiteau/927a4a20f649d144eb46
[18:49] <ioria> rd-dev, broken
[18:50] <ioria> rd-dev, do you have backup ?
[18:50] <rd-dev> no :(
[18:50] <ioria> rd-dev, can you login , yes?
[18:50] <hummus19> im trying to run ./update-script.sh but it's not working.  how could I log what is going on?
[18:51] <rd-dev> yes, I am using the comput right now with gnome
[18:52] <rd-dev> I am going to make a backup now
[18:52] <ioria> rd-dev, well, purge nvidia* and install linux-generic
[18:55] <rd-dev> ok, i need to reboot
[18:55] <ioria> rd-dev, how did you install the nvidia driver ?
[18:55] <ioria> rd-dev, yes
[18:56] <digitsm> EriC^^, I forgot to say that my Ubuntu installer was 14.04.1 LTS, because I didn't want the 3.16 kernel. So I chose the last version with 3.13 kernel
[18:56] <digitsm> EriC^^, It is a Xubuntu14.04.1 LTS 32 bit
[18:56] <digitsm> I hope the problem is not from my xubuntu being old
[18:58] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, type update-grub
[18:58] <EriC^^> then type exit and reboot
[18:59] <digitsm> EriC^^, Thanks, I am still installing those packages. My internet is still a little slow
[19:08] <freeman__> hello
[19:08] <[n0mad]> why would a diff of /home and /media/home after an rsync show directories or files that do not exist in either location
[19:10] <digitsm> EriC^^, I did all things you said, and rebooted. Still the same issue
[19:11] <freeman__> my hp printer stopped working after working for me a couple years. i been using ubuntu 15 for a couple years as well. it would say in the print que that its not connected, but it is connected to the wireless network. . . so i uninstalled the printer, reinstalled it, noticed i could not select hplip drivers, so i went ipp and it still doesn't work, so then i reinstalled the hplip from the software center, and i still can't select hpli
[19:11] <freeman__> p drivers when trying to add a printer, i also tried the hp-setup in terminal and it didn't find it
[19:11] <digitsm> EriC^^, Still in grub-rescue (hd0,msdos1)/boot seems to be empty
[19:11] <freeman__> can somebody offer me some advice how to get my hp printer working again
[19:12] <digitsm> EriC^^, I want Xubuntu to be installed only in one ext4 on my external HDD for a specific purpose
[19:12] <freeman__> i meant to say, it stopped working for me after* a couple years
[19:12] <TJ-> digitsm: how many GRUB devices does "ls" report?
[19:13] <freeman__> anybody here know about hp printers?
[19:13] <TJ-> freeman__: have you checked the status/config in the CUPS web admin: http://localhost:631/
[19:14] <freeman__> tj im there right now
[19:14] <freeman__> i dont know where status/config is
[19:14] <freeman__> (i never had to use the hplip browser)
[19:14] <TJ-> freeman__: There are various tabs; your user needs to be in the 'lpadmin' group to access some of the management options. Check that at a terminal with "groups"
[19:15] <freeman__> im in that group then
[19:15] <freeman__> i used groups in terminal and i got:
[19:15] <freeman__> user adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare bumblebee
[19:16] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, so you can access management/admin options in the CUPS interface
[19:16] <freeman__> ok
[19:16] <TJ-> freeman__: Administration > Printers (Manage Printers)
[19:17] <freeman__> it took me to a search page that says No printers.
[19:17] <freeman__> when i clicked manage printers
[19:17] <TJ-> freeman__: Ahhh, so it went missing
[19:17] <freeman__> i clicked search and it still says no printers
[19:17] <freeman__> now i dont have it presently installed anymore because
[19:17] <TJ-> freeman__: is the printer a network printer?
[19:17] <freeman__> i cant select hplip on the add printers process
[19:17] <freeman__> yes
[19:17] <freeman__> its connected to my wifi
[19:18] <freeman__> and my pc as well
[19:18] <freeman__> and ichecked o nthe router its there
[19:18] <digitsm> TJ-, This is output of "ls" in grub rescue: (hd0) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos2) (hd1,msdos1) (fd0)
[19:18] <TJ-> freeman__: connected over the network, and via USB?
[19:18] <freeman__> i dont have a usb cable
[19:18] <freeman__> it didnt come with one
[19:18] <freeman__> but i could go to the store and buy one, i dont want to do that because i have never needed one
[19:18] <freeman__> its a wireless printer
[19:18] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, how about "ls (hd1,msdos1)/"  ... any sign of the boot files you're looking for?
[19:18] <digitsm> hd1 is internal hdd with windows, hd0 is external 2TB hdd with xubuntu and grub installed on 1 partition of it
[19:19] <TJ-> freeman__: You said the printer was also connected to the PC, so I assumed you meant using USB.
[19:19] <freeman__> ahh yeah thats not what i mean
[19:19] <freeman__> i mean they are both connected to my wifi network
[19:19] <freeman__> the printer by the way worked great for a loong time
[19:20] <digitsm> TJ-, the result is: error: unknown filesystem. Because (hd1,msdos1) is ntgs
[19:20] <digitsm> *ntfs
[19:20] <freeman__> on occasion i had to remove and re-add the printer
[19:20] <TJ-> freeman__: So, assuming the PC has all the hplip packages installed, then in CUPS Administration > Add Printer
[19:20] <freeman__> yeah i reinstalled the hplip drivers so i thnk so
[19:20] <freeman__> it says now
[19:20] <freeman__> authentication required
[19:20] <freeman__> A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
[19:21] <freeman__> do i use my user account and password for ubuntu?????
[19:21] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, that makes sense. Thought it best to check ;) ... I missed your earlier issue. You're expecting (hf0,msdos1) to be just a /boot/ file-system, or is that the operating system root file-system ?
[19:21] <freeman__> i got that popup from clicking add printer
[19:21] <mojtaba> Hi, I just restart my computer and now keepass2 does not run. Does anybody know what should I do? :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712182/
[19:21] <freeman__> admin>printers>add printer = authentication required A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
[19:21] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes, your regular user/password (this is why being in the lpadmin group is required)
[19:21] <freeman__> ok
[19:22] <freeman__> cool it discovered it
[19:22] <Olotila> how do I defrag a windows partition from ubuntu?
[19:22] <freeman__> il try this way
[19:22] <digitsm> TJ-, (hd0,msdos1) is root file system which also contains /boot
[19:22] <Olotila> I need to resize the partition and to do that, I want to move all data to the beginning of the partition
[19:22] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars.
[19:22] <TJ-> digitsm: if /boot/ is in the OS root file-system then I'd expect it to be (hdX,msdosY)/boot/ but if it has a separate file system I'd expect (hdX,msdosY)/
[19:22] <freeman__> Printer HP_ENVY_4500_series default options have been set successfully.
[19:22] <freeman__> cool let me test this
[19:23] <TJ-> digitsm: Hmmm, and you're missing the /boot/ directory entirely? or its empty?
[19:23] <Gambit__> mojtaba:  Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[19:23] <freeman__> ok TJ i still have the same issue i had in the very beginning before i tried reinstalling things
[19:24] <freeman__> i tried printing some documents and in the print qeue it says:
[19:24] <TJ-> freeman__: CUPS now sees the printer though?
[19:24] <Gambit__> Checked your ram/disk use?
[19:24] <freeman__> processing - not connected?
[19:24] <freeman__> yeah it installed it so i thnk so
[19:24] <TJ-> freeman__: So, we can look at the log files
[19:24] <freeman__> ok
[19:24] <TJ-> freeman__: in a terminal check the most recently changed CUPs logs with "ls -latr /var/log/cups/"
[19:25] <digitsm> TJ-, It is very weird, because when I mount that partition it contains /boot, but in grub rescue it sees it empty
[19:25] <freeman__> HP_ENVY_4500_series-133  	Unknown  	Withheld  	398k  	1  	processing since
[19:25] <freeman__> Thu 08 Oct 2015 03:23:09 PM EDT
[19:25] <freeman__> "Unable to locate printer
[19:25] <TJ-> freeman__: I think you'll need to look at acces_log and error_log
[19:25] <freeman__> ok let me try that terminal command
[19:25] <TJ-> digitsm: when you say 'empty' do you mean no /boot/ directory at all?
[19:25] <freeman__> tj i put in ls -latr /var/log/cups/
[19:25] <freeman__> and this is the result:
[19:26] <TJ-> !paste | freeman__
[19:26] <freeman__> ok
[19:26] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717859/
[19:26] <TJ-> freeman__: I suggest you "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" if you haven't already :)
[19:26] <freeman__> whats that
[19:26] <TJ-> freeman__: a command-line pasting tool; does all the hard work for you
[19:26] <freeman__> cool
[19:26] <mojtaba> Gambit__: I have 12GB of RAM and I have double checked my HDD using df -h
[19:27] <freeman__> i installed it
[19:27] <mojtaba> Gambit__: I have lots of free resources!
[19:27] <TJ-> freeman__: once you've installed it do "pastebinit /var/log/cups/access_log"
[19:27] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717873/
[19:27] <freeman__> cool it works
[19:27] <digitsm> TJ-, In grub rescue I can ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot
[19:27] <freeman__> i mean the pastebin thing works
[19:27] <digitsm> But its output is
[19:27] <digitsm> /
[19:27] <Caleb--> hi, the last couple of days my ubuntu system has rebooted 3 times for unknown reasons. i checked the syslog but i can't see anything suspicious before the reboot, nor do i see any crashes in /var/crash
[19:28] <freeman__> ok i dont understand all that stuff it pasted
[19:28] <freeman__> do u understand that stuff tj
[19:28] <Caleb--> i'm running 15.04. what else can i do to see what could've bene the problem?
[19:28] <TJ-> digitsm: That makes sense to me *if* the OS is using a different partition for the /boot/ file-system. how about "ls (hd0,msd0s3)/"
[19:28] <digitsm> TJ- So grub rescue sees /boot directory but w/o any file
[19:28] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes... now show me "pastebinit /var/log/cups/error_log"
[19:28] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm
[19:29] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717886/
[19:29] <digitsm> TJ-, But (hd0,msdos3) is ntfs
[19:29] <digitsm> it can't ls it
[19:29] <TJ-> digitsm: if the /etc/fstab has e.g. "/dev/sda3 /boot/ ..." then there's a separate boot file-system
[19:29] <TJ-> digitsm: any other partitions?
[19:29] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars.
[19:30] <digitsm> TJ-, I have many partitions on my enternal hdd, but only msdos1 is ext4. Others are either ntfs or swap
[19:30] <TJ-> digitsm: looking back, the only other option is (hd1,msdos2)/ I think
[19:30] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717886/
[19:30] <digitsm> TJ-, There isn't any (hd1,msdos2)/
[19:31] <TJ-> digitsm: earlier you showed "(hd0) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos2) (hd1,msdos1) (fd0)" as devices GRUB found
[19:31] <mojtaba> Anyone else?
[19:31] <digitsm> Because I deleted 2 separate partitions msdos1 (/boot) and msdos2 (/) and made a new partition instead
[19:32] <digitsm> Oh, I confused with (hd0,msdos2)
[19:32] <OerHeks> freeman__, i just searched for those errors, and came across this page, http://askubuntu.com/questions/480568/vanishing-printers-under-ubuntu-14-04
[19:32] <TJ-> digitsm: you deleted them? how exactly? Using a live ISO?
[19:32] <freeman__> thanks tj im going to try that
[19:32] <freeman__> sudo apt-get purge cups_browsed
[19:32] <digitsm> both (hd1,msdos1) and (hd1,msdos2) are ntfs I think. msdos1 is Windows recovery, msdos2 is C:\ in windows
[19:33] <digitsm> TJ-, I deleted them using Gparted in Live USB
[19:33] <TJ-> freeman__: show me "pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog )"
[19:34] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, and one of the was a separate file-system for /boot/ ? So you've done some invasive manual changes to the system organisation which led to this?
[19:34] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717921/
[19:35] <digitsm> TJ-,  Yeah one of them was /boot. But I deleted them both, made a new ext4 partition instead of them and then reinstalled Xubuntu from scratch
[19:35] <digitsm> So there should no be any problem
[19:35] <freeman__> before i did that pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog ), i tried sudo apt-get purge cups_browsed, and the result of that one was: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717916/
[19:35] <digitsm> Because I reinstalled xubuntu
[19:36] <freeman__> but yeah the result from the pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog ) is here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717921/
[19:38] <TJ-> freeman__: There's a lot of unexpected 'crud' there related to org.gtk.vfs.Daemon - does the HP printer have memory card slots, and is there anything in them?
[19:38] <freeman__> i tried my printer again still not working
[19:38] <freeman__> umm i dont know
[19:38] <freeman__> i never used memory cards with it and i dont think it has any
[19:38] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, thanks, that makes sense. Obviously something major has gone wrong if you can't even see the kernels, let alone the grub files!
[19:39] <freeman__> i just took a look at hte front of my printer and i didnt notice any memory card slots
[19:39] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, those messages are probably from something local on the PC then. They pollute the log file unduly and as the timestamps are very recent I wondered if they were related to the printer being detected.
[19:39] <freeman__> i dont know how toread all that stuff
[19:39] <freeman__> looks like greek to me
[19:40] <digitsm> TJ-, But I can see files inside /boot when I mount that partition in Live USB. But I don't know why grub can't see them
[19:40] <freeman__> or latin or something anyway
[19:40] <digitsm> It seems very weird
[19:40] <TJ-> freeman__: "pastebinit /var/log/cups/page_log"
[19:40] <KCmetro> what's the command for opening the GUI for network manager?
[19:40] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717976/
[19:41] <TJ-> digitsm: That suggests to me the install is using a separate /boot/ file-system in another device somewhere.
[19:41] <TJ-> digitsm: you'd expect the OS root file-system to have an empty /boot/ if that is the case
[19:41] <OerHeks> KCmetro, just click on the nm icon on your top panel ( unity)
[19:41] <TJ-> freeman__: can you "pastebinit <( arp ) "
[19:42] <digitsm> TJ-, but the OS root file-system has a non-empty /boot
[19:42] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717986/
[19:43] <TJ-> digitsm: currently you're doing "ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot/" and seeing an emtpy directory. What do you see with "ls (hd0,msd0s1)/" - the diretories belonging to a standard Linux root file-system?
[19:43] <digitsm> TJ-, I also did many different experiments on this external HDD before. I installed Xubuntu many times to test it, and in some point I even installed Extlinux instead of grub on the MBR
[19:43] <Giant81> can I resize my swap to give space to my root partition easily?
[19:43] <Giant81> or will tha tonly work if I'm running lvs?
[19:43] <freeman__> that <IP_ADDRESS> is my hp printer
[19:44] <kami-sama> slt
[19:44] <freeman__> i checked on my router
[19:44] <TJ-> freeman__: your print is <IP_ADDRESS> - try "ping -nc 5 <IP_ADDRESS>" and ensure it responds
[19:44] <freeman__> ok
[19:44] <KCmetro> what's the command for opening the GUI for network manager? i tried a simple: sudo NetworkManager
[19:44] <KCmetro> but it didn't work
[19:44] <TJ-> digitsm: is hd0 only MBR; not GPT ?
[19:44] <KCmetro> that is, something happened, but no window opened
[19:44] <freeman__> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
[19:44] <freeman__> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.963/39.810/128.768/45.555 ms
[19:44] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, that is good
[19:45] <digitsm> So I had to dd 440bytes into MBR. Although grub rewrites itself after reinstalling but I fear maybe the previous installation of Syslinux may have some effect still
[19:45] <freeman__> yeah i dont know why it doesnt work
[19:45] <KCmetro> anybody else? (other than the people currently discussing other topics)
[19:45] <SCHAAP137> KCmetro: i think it's nm-applet for the indicator/tray icon
[19:45] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah Only MBr
[19:45] <freeman__> when i try printing again i stil have the error message:
[19:45] <KCmetro> ah thank you
[19:45] <SCHAAP137> from which you can open the GUI
[19:45] <freeman__> processing - not connected? (from the print qeue screen)
[19:45] <KCmetro> i'm running fluxbox, need to open it that way
[19:45] <KCmetro> or at least the window for configuring network interfaces
[19:45] <SCHAAP137> cool, you could consider building a custom session file
[19:46] <SCHAAP137> and put it in /usr/share/xsessions
[19:46] <TJ-> freeman__: can you do "hp-check -t" and then pastebinit the log-file it generates
[19:46] <freeman__> ok
[19:46] <freeman__> i put in the command hp-check -t
[19:46] <tykayn-ubuntu> TJ-: back o/ are you still here for my unity problem? i can now access my computer with ssh
[19:46] <freeman__> should i have used pastebinit hp-check -t
[19:47] <KCmetro> is there a way to open networkmanager without having to click on the tray icon?
[19:47] <freeman__> il pastebin the last part of it i have some errors
[19:47] <TJ-> digitsm: freeman__ no, use the command as I showed, then once it has written the log-file, pastebint that file
[19:47] <freeman__> ok
[19:47] <KCmetro> wait a sec... google's helping out on this one.
[19:47] <freeman__> where is hte log file
[19:47] <TJ-> freeman__: it should be "pastebinit hp-check.log"
[19:47] <freeman__> thanks
[19:47] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718008/
[19:47] <KCmetro> ok cool that nm-applet did the trick
[19:48] <freeman__> i noticed at the end it sais missing dependencies
[19:48] <TJ-> digitsm: If you have the GRUB rescue> shell, then MBR+core.img was loaded, but GRUB cannot find its root. what does "set" say root/prefix should be?
[19:48] <SCHAAP137> KCmetro: i use a similar method when using XMonad, i just start nm-applet and it appears in my stalonetray
[19:49] <KCmetro> cool :) ty
[19:49] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. Yes you are correct. The result of set is
[19:49] <digitsm> cmdpath=(hd0)
[19:49] <digitsm> prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub
[19:50] <digitsm> root=hd0,msdos1
[19:50] <alfonsojon> Hi guys
[19:50] <alfonsojon> I'm in a VB.net class, and I have an odd request
[19:50] <TJ-> digitsm: which is what we expected. OK. Can you reboot with a Live ISO and let's use a chroot to fix it?
[19:50] <alfonsojon> I figured out I can use MonoDevelop to make .NET programs in VB.net, but there's no designer for it.
[19:50] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718008/
[19:50] <alfonsojon> Is there some program similar to Visual Studio for Ubuntu?
[19:50] <TJ-> freeman__: don't worry about those dependency warnings. The problem I tihnk is the Device URI dnsdd:// is incorrect
[19:51] <tykayn-ubuntu> alfonsojon: you mean, an IDE ?
[19:51] <freeman__> thats cool u have an idea because i have no idea what that means
[19:51] <freeman__> how do i correct that
[19:51] <TJ-> freeman__: we need to manually edit the URI in the CUPS admin interface, via manage printer
[19:51] <tykayn-ubuntu> i advice netbeans for a free solution
[19:51] <freeman__> ok let me go there
[19:51] <digitsm> TJ- Of course I can use chroot
[19:51] <freeman__> can u give me that link again
[19:51] <digitsm> TJ- Please wait
[19:51] <freeman__> to the hplip browser
[19:51] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu> i advice netbeans for a free solution what does this mean?
[19:52] <freeman__> whats that localhost link again
[19:52] <freeman__> i found it
[19:52] <tykayn-ubuntu> wileee: https://netbeans.org/downloads/ this is netbeans
[19:52] <freeman__> ok im at manage printer
[19:52] <TJ-> freeman__: I've taken this from the CUPS text config file under /etc/cups/, for a HP printer here. You can see the style of the URI required: "DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_7610_series?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>"
[19:52] <wileee> tykayn, I know what net beans are, sounded like you wanted to charge.
[19:53] <freeman__> tj im here at manage printers
[19:53] <freeman__> what do i do
[19:53] <digitsm> TJ-, I executed some commands similar to this guide with the help of EriC^^ but it didn't work: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows
[19:53] <freeman__> sorry tj i got confused
[19:53] <freeman__> what do i do wth DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_7610_series?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>, also i have a 4500
[19:53] <freeman__> not a 7610
[19:54] <TJ-> freeman__: on the Manage Printers list, select the HP queue, press the Administration drop-down button and choose Modify
[19:54] <tykayn-ubuntu> ah you want to do .net, my bad :D i don't know any solution on linux for that
[19:54] <freeman__> ok
[19:54] <tykayn-ubuntu> so if anyone could help me on my freezing ubuntu 14.04 startup issue i would be glad
[19:54] <ioria2_> !info mono-complete
[19:55] <wileee> !14.10 | tykayn it is eol
[19:55] <TJ-> freeman__: you should now see the "Current Connection" highlighted
[19:55] <TJ-> freeman__: which one is highlighted?
[19:55] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Soory 14.10 is eol you need a supported release is all.
[19:55] <freeman__> im still trying tofind that
[19:55] <freeman__> hold on
[19:55] <freeman__> are u in the browser at localhost:631
[19:55] <freeman__> i go to administration,
[19:55] <freeman__> manage printers,
[19:56] <freeman__> and then i see the printer in a search page
[19:56] <TJ-> freeman__: The version of CUPS I'm using might be different to yours, so you'll have to experiment a bit
[19:56] <freeman__> ok
[19:56] <freeman__> what exactly am i looking for
[19:56] <freeman__> oohh i found that administration dropdown thing
[19:56] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Sorry miss read that, it is 14.04, give us a description if the issue. ;)
[19:56] <freeman__> ok iwent to modify printer
[19:57] <freeman__> i am here at modify printer and it is giving me options
[19:57] <TJ-> freeman__: Administration > Manage Printers > select the printer queue > Administration button is a drop-down menu - choose Modify Printer from the drop-down
[19:57] <digitsm> TJ-, OK, Now I mounted root partition  in /mnt, binded /sys /proc /run /dev /dev/pts to it and chrooted to it
[19:57] <freeman__> how do i paste a screenshot
[19:57] <tykayn-ubuntu> ok wileee, after a login my ubuntu freezes
[19:57] <TJ-> freeman__: don't worry for now. You should now see a list of connection options with radio-buttons alongside, with only one selected
[19:58] <freeman__> yes
[19:58] <freeman__> that is correct
[19:58] <tykayn-ubuntu> i stopped the freezing by plugin in my RJ45 cable
[19:58] <freeman__> what do i do here
[19:58] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, what does /etc/fstab contain?
[19:58] <tykayn-ubuntu> apparently using wifi made it crash
[19:58] <TJ-> freeman__: Tell me which one is selected
[19:58] <freeman__> Current Connection: 	dnssd://HP%20ENVY%204500%20series%20%5BB192AA%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=1c852a4d-b800-1f08-abcd-5065f3b192aa
[19:58] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars. Any advice?
[19:58] <tykayn-ubuntu> but the desktop still has issues in displaying. windows are surrounded by fat black border
[19:58] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Ah, try hitting the esc on boot from grub for text, or modify for a text boot, to see the issue. If you have proprietary graphics installed let us know that.
[19:59] <tykayn-ubuntu> yup, i installed nvidia drivers
[19:59] <digitsm> TJ- Only 2 partitions: an ext4 root and a swap
[19:59] <tykayn-ubuntu> my computer is a laptop acer v17 nitro
[19:59] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, we have to manually edit that. Is there, under "Other Network Printers" a "AppSocket/HP JetDirect" ?
[19:59] <freeman__> yes
[19:59] <tykayn-ubuntu> i can connect to it by ssh
[19:59] <freeman__> should i select that one and continue
[19:59] <TJ-> digitsm: and "ls -altr /boot/" shows the kernels, grub/ dir, etc.?
[19:59] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, If you use proprietary drivers you need to reload them upon a kernel change is all, could this be the issue?
[19:59] <reisio> sewardrobert: might see if #ubuntu-jp has some guidance
[19:59] <freeman__> tj should i select appsocket/hp jetdirect and go with continue
[19:59] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes, and then we'll change the URI
[20:00] <freeman__> ok im here
[20:00] <TJ-> freeman__: You should now have a text edit box
[20:00] <freeman__> yes
[20:00] <freeman__> it sais connection: and in the box it says: socket
[20:00] <tykayn-ubuntu> if i purge the nvidia* packages, could it be working after a reboot ?
[20:00] <TJ-> freeman__: now we have to get the correct URI. It'll start off "hp:/net/"
[20:00] <freeman__> how do i find hte correct uri
[20:00] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, I would try an earlier kernel as one start.
[20:01] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah, kernel 3.13.0-32, its initrd, grub dir, etc.
[20:01] <tykayn-ubuntu> wileee: what do you mean reload the driver?
[20:01] <freeman__> do i click See "Network Printers" for the correct URI to use with your printer.
[20:01] <TJ-> freeman__: I'm trying to create it using the log files :)
[20:01] <freeman__> i opened the link there on a new tab and its like a manual
[20:01] <freeman__> not really information
[20:01] <KCmetro> ok nm-applet / networkmanager doesn't appear to be what I want
[20:01] <tykayn-ubuntu> hm, i had to upgrade my kernel to 3.19.something to make the wifi work
[20:01] <KCmetro> I clicked on the tray option and it just reconnected me
[20:01] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, some drivers will not follow the kernel update, nvidia is a common one if your using their's.
[20:01] <freeman__> but yeah im still here on the connection page
[20:01] <gdg> hi
[20:01] <elriod> ANY! know how to join the snow plow show irc??
[20:01] <KCmetro> I need to configure it. what is the window/app for that?
[20:01] <tykayn-ubuntu> yup i use their
[20:02] <tykayn-ubuntu> s
[20:02] <elriod> pla?
[20:02] <tykayn-ubuntu> so how to downgrade my kernel ?
[20:02] <TJ-> freeman__: "hp:/net/HP%20ENVY%204500%20series%20%5BB192AA%5D?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:02] <digitsm> TJ- Let me install Extlinux instead of grub
[20:02] <gdg> my ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS keep freezing
[20:02] <MiDOZ> Hello, I have 3 partitions for Windows (System Volume info, Windows Files, and a D:\ Drive for my files) and one extended partition for Linux with 4 Partitions (Swap, /boot, /home, and Ubuntu files) I have them dual booting with grub. I want to install Kali Linux as a 3rd OS on my laptop but the installaton is preventing me to create a 5th partition. Is there a work around? What can be done to solve this problem?
[20:02] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Bad idea, and why your here now.
[20:02] <gdg> let's say one time per day
[20:02] <TJ-> digitsm: that'll make things worse
[20:02] <freeman__> thanks il try that tj
[20:02] <ash_work> I know this isn't the channel for supervisord questions, but right now stderr from programs started by supervisor are stored to log files with permissions set to 600; does anyone happen to know if you can change supervisor settings to set it to 644? I didn't see anything in the documentation
[20:02] <digitsm> I wanted to install extlinux anyway for a purpose
[20:02] <digitsm> TJ-, Why?
[20:02] <gdg> this is a fresh installation, and it should not :(
[20:02] <tykayn-ubuntu> or maybe i remove the nvidia stuff
[20:02] <wileee> MiDOZ, kali is not supported here is all
[20:02] <gdg> are you aware of any known issue of the kind?
[20:03] <freeman__> ok i did that
[20:03] <TJ-> digitsm: because its not the standard install process, few people are familiar with it
[20:03] <digitsm> TJ-, If it broke then I will install Xubuntu again
[20:03] <halberd> what is the "http" process?  is that httpd? I noticed it was hogging lots of bandwidth and writing to disk so i killed it
[20:03] <MiDOZ> wileee: the main idea is not Kali
[20:03] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, I would use the drivers from the ubuntu repos, software & sources has an additional drivers tag.
[20:03] <freeman__> tj it still doesnt work
[20:03] <tykayn-ubuntu> hmhm
[20:04] <TJ-> digitsm: is the root file system on /dev/sda1 ?
[20:04] <freeman__> oh wait
[20:04] <freeman__> i had to hit modify printer let me try agaain
[20:04] <wileee> MiDOZ, yes it is ask them how to partition this, it is a bad idea anyway that is a usb thumb image for testing.
[20:04] <TJ-> freeman__: we might have to re-work the name, it had all those escaped control characters %XX in it
[20:04] <digitsm> TJ-, No root is on /dev/sdc1
[20:04] <freeman__> ok
[20:05] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, so /dev/sdc is the boot device you want?
[20:05] <freeman__> hmm
[20:05] <digitsm> sda = internal hdd sdb = Live USB, sdc = external hdd
[20:05] <digitsm> TJ-, yes
[20:05] <TJ-> digitsm: so "grub-install /dev/sdc && update-grub"
[20:05] <tykayn-ubuntu> mmh weird thing, my laptop is freezed but i can still run commands via ssh
[20:05] <TJ-> digitsm: after that, there should be /boot/grub/i386-pc/ with all the GRUB modules in
[20:06] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, You can use what drivers you want, we only support from the ubuntu repos here unless there are no other options.
[20:06] <tykayn-ubuntu> k
[20:06] <MiDOZ> wileee: I changed my OS to Install, I want to install another Ubuntu installation now on another partition. Is there a work around?
[20:06] <tykayn-ubuntu> what can i pastebin to see why everything freezed ?
[20:06] <TJ-> freeman__: lets try this by manually inspecting the config file! "sudo pastebinit /etc/cups/printers.conf"
[20:06] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, All you need to know is how to do these upgrades and driver reload if needed, we are assuming that this is the issue as of now.
[20:07] <freeman__> ok
[20:07] <KCmetro> I may have missed an earlier response. How do I open the window for configuring network (like IP) settings? nm-applet didn't work.
[20:07] <tykayn-ubuntu> wileee: i apt-get upgrade ?
[20:07] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718158/
[20:08] <digitsm> TJ-, Yes there are all grub modules in /boot/grub/i386-pc
[20:08] <freeman__> it still not working
[20:08] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, You are not understanding, that is okay, I can do no more really.
[20:08] <tykayn-ubuntu> i checked my packages, i have no nvidia stuff installed
[20:08] <digitsm> TJ-, Should I reboot now?
[20:08] <tykayn-ubuntu> hm
[20:08] <TJ-> digitsm: In theory, yes :)
[20:09] <digitsm> TJ-, I did all these steps with the help of EriC^^, But still the same
[20:09] <digitsm> TJ-, Any other idea?
[20:09] <freeman__> i was just going to ask the same question haha
[20:09] <freeman__> any more ideas man
[20:09] <MiDOZ> Hello, I have 3 partitions for Windows (System Volume info, Windows Files, and a D:\ Drive for my files) and one extended partition for Linux with 4 Partitions (Swap, /boot, /home, and Ubuntu files) I have them dual booting with grub. I want to install another Linux as a 3rd OS on my laptop but the installation is preventing me to create a 5th partition. Is there a work around? What can be done to solve this problem? Can it be solved by live booting the iso imag
[20:10] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, making progress.
[20:10] <freeman__> yes
[20:10] <freeman__> i see it
[20:10] <TJ-> freeman__: the printer name after "<Printer" should be exactly what is used in the DeviceURI path
[20:10] <freeman__> ok
[20:11] <freeman__> let me reinput that
[20:11] <TJ-> freeman__: So, we need to try modifying the printer again, and change the URI once more
[20:11] <digitsm> TJ-, I rebooted, still the same issue
[20:11] <TJ-> digitsm: so you're at the grub rescue> prompt?
[20:11] <digitsm> TJ-, yews
[20:12] <freeman__> hp:/net/HP%20ENVY%204500%20series%20%5BB192AA%5D?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:12] <freeman__> should i change it to:
[20:12] <freeman__> hp:/net/HP_ENVY_4500_series?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:12] <freeman__> ???
[20:12] <elriod> pla?NO!!
[20:12] <TJ-> freeman__: "hp:/net/HP_ENVY_4500_series?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>"
[20:12] <elriod> NO!!!
[20:12] <elriod> NO!!!!
[20:12] <freeman__> ok thanks
[20:12] <a7i3n> t
[20:12] <elriod> ANY! know how to join the snow plow show irc??
[20:13] <TJ-> digitsm: OK.. when you booted the PC did you use the BIOS manual boot menu to choose the external device for booting?
[20:13] <digitsm> TJ-, Yes
[20:13] <Pici> elriod: We have no idea what that means, this is the Ubuntu support IRC channel.
[20:13] <freeman__> ok i did that change so let me try printing again
[20:13] <elriod> sorry!!!
[20:13] <freeman__> hmm still doesnt work
[20:13] <digitsm> TJ-, interesting thing: ls (hd0,msdos1) -> Filesystem is ext2. But it should be ext4
[20:14] <digitsm> Maybe it is the issue
[20:14] <digitsm> Although I think grub will mount any ext2/3/4 fs as ext2, because it only has ext2 module
[20:14] <zaldy> Hello
[20:14] <TJ-> digitsm: There are some unusual BIOS bugs that can result in the wrong boot device being passed to the boot-loader, causing it to (try to) load its core.img from the wrong device. I'm wondering if this might be the case here, and the core.img you're currently in is actually from the internal drive.
[20:14] <freeman__> tj u have any more ideas
[20:15] <freeman__> the job is "held"
[20:15] <TJ-> digitsm: ext2 is the lowest-common-denominator for the ext* file-systems, so I think that is OK
[20:15] <TJ-> freeman__: did you try to unhold/retry the job via the CUPS admin?
[20:15] <xwin> is there way to make files absolutely not erasable, even 'root' can't delete?  I tried 'chattr +i file' of file in SDcard then inserted in the Samsung Tab and tried  delete, darn it deleted.
[20:15] <freeman__> i was doing it in the ubuntu gui
[20:15] <freeman__> let me go to that browser
[20:16] <TJ-> freeman__: OK .. just in case the GUI tool isn't talking to the CUPS backend correctly.
[20:16] <digitsm> TJ-, I disconnected the external HDD and it successfully boots to Windows from internal HDD
[20:16] <freeman__> Job 143 has been released for printing.
[20:16] <digitsm> TJ-, So your guess is wrong
[20:16] <freeman__> stil not printing
[20:17] <TJ-> digitsm: No, the core.img being loaded could still come from the internal device
[20:17] <freeman__> ok i tried again
[20:17] <freeman__> HP_ENVY_4500_series-144  	Unknown  	Withheld  	398k  	1  	held since
[20:17] <freeman__> Thu 08 Oct 2015 04:17:25 PM EDT
[20:17] <freeman__>
[20:17] <TJ-> digitsm: BIOS > external device sector 0 boot-strap > core.img (could come from internal or external drive)
[20:17] <freeman__> Job 144 has been released for printing.
[20:18] <freeman__> nothign comes out of the printer
[20:18] <freeman__> the "pages" count just goes up every time ihit release job
[20:18] <TJ-> freeman__: OK. we need some log output. Can you "pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog )" again
[20:18] <freeman__> ok
[20:19] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718251/
[20:19] <digitsm> TJ-, but how could it still come from internal hdd, all partitions in internal hdd are ntfs
[20:19] <TJ-> digitsm: With MBR core.img is usually in the spare sectors between MBR and start of first partition.
[20:19] <freeman__> do i have to share the printer or something
[20:20] <freeman__> im just guessing, no idea whats going on
[20:20] <TJ-> freeman__: no, everything looks fine so far
[20:20] <freeman__> hmmm
[20:20] <freeman__> do u have more ideas tj
[20:20] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718251/
[20:20] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes! You've got UFW firewall blocking stuff. Disable it
[20:20] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm! Very interesting and strange!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[20:20] <freeman__> OH
[20:20] <freeman__> IS THAT THE ISSUE ALL ALONG LOL
[20:21] <freeman__> i didnt even know it was on
[20:21] <freeman__> ok so i disabled my UFW firewall
[20:21] <freeman__> still not printing
[20:21] <TJ-> digitsm: even if core.img is from the internal, I cannot see how it can cause you not to 'see' files in a file-system... the only explanation is you're not looking at the file-system you think it is
[20:21] <digitsm> TJ-, OK! let me deattach the SATA connector of the internal HDD and see what will happen
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: "cupsd: Error attempting to unwrap passphrase from file [/home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase]; rc = [-13]"
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: Did you say earlier you 'removed' ecryptfs?
[20:22] <freeman__> yeah i have an encrypted disk and an encrypted home folder
[20:22] <freeman__> umm no
[20:22] <freeman__> i didnt remove ecryptfs
[20:22] <freeman__> i dont know exactly how it works
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: Well, we have errors we don't want in syslog, and they relate to cups, so lets focus on those
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: you're in luck - I do :)
[20:22] <freeman__> i *think* i have a encrypted home folder anyway
[20:23] <freeman__> i just know for sure my hdd is encrypted
[20:23] <freeman__> i have installed ubuntu a few times
[20:23] <TJ-> freeman__: "pastebinit <( mount )"
[20:23] <freeman__> ok
[20:23] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718279/
[20:23] <digitsm> TJ-, I disconnect sata cable of the internal hdd and still going to grub rescue
[20:24] <digitsm> TJ-, So core.img is in ext hdd
[20:24] <Zteam> Hi all  I\m trying to mount my luks encrypted drive from Ubuntu 15.04 in Kali Linux, but Kali just tells me it doesnt recognize it
 The partition is perfectly accesible from Ubuntu, what I\m missing here
[20:24] <TJ-> freeman__: HAHA! line 472 of the syslog pastebin
[20:24] <freeman__> im looking at line 472
[20:24] <TJ-> digitsm: Great test, thanks for checking. I thought it was an outside chance, but always good to have 100% accurate info in these boot problem issues
[20:24] <freeman__> i dont understand it
[20:25] <freeman__> what does it mean
[20:25] <TJ-> freeman__: don't worry, just notice the DENIED part
[20:25] <TJ-> freeman__: does "echo $USER" show "user"
[20:25] <freeman__> let me try
[20:25] <freeman__> it said: user show user
[20:25] <wileee> Zteam, I would ask kali, not sure you're supported here is all, their issue.
[20:25] <digitsm> TJ-, I think the problem come from previous MBR manipulation before reinstalling Xubuntu with grub
[20:26] <freeman__> whatever that means
[20:26] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, so your actual username is "user", correct?
[20:26] <freeman__> yes
[20:26] <tykayn-ubuntu> oh ok, now i can access xfce
[20:26] <digitsm> Before reinstalling, I tested Syslinux, and for that purpose I had to dd 440bytes into mbr
[20:26] <TJ-> freeman__: right, now I can make sense of the log entries.
[20:26] <freeman__> haha
[20:26] <freeman__> yeah i thought user was a goot user name
[20:26] <freeman__> and my pc name is pc
[20:26] <Zteam> wileee, yeah I know I\m asking there too :)
[20:27] <TJ-> digitsm: the "install-grub" should replace that by calling grub-bios-setup
[20:27] <wileee> Zteam, That is the basic use of kali as a testing tool, we see everyone installing here.
[20:28] <TJ-> digitsm: but we know that code is working, and it is bootstrapping into core.img too. The problem is core.img cannot find the GRUB modules in /boot/grub/i386-pc/ since apparently those directories are midding
[20:28] <TJ-> freeman__: right, so the ecryptfs is the thing to focus on
[20:28] <freeman__> ok so thats why the printer doesnt work
[20:29] <freeman__> how do i fix it
[20:29] <freeman__> i dont know why my pc being encrypted affects my printer
[20:29] <TJ-> freeman__: so you have Full Disk Encryption: /dev/mapper/sdb5 > /dev/mapper/sdb5crypt  and /home/user/ using ecryptfs
[20:29] <digitsm> TJ-, Anyway, even If I can fix grub, I plan to replace it with Extlinux bootloader, because I need my bootloader entries be recognized with plopkexec
[20:29] <freeman__> well i know for sure at least i have full disk encrpytion
[20:29] <digitsm> I am doing all these stuff to boot from a PCIe USB3 card
[20:29] <freeman__> i just know if theres a option i usually click encrpyt home folder
[20:29] <freeman__> i just dont remember if that was a option last time i installed
[20:29] <freeman__> if it is i probably clicked it
[20:29] <digitsm> TJ- So I think it is not bad idea to install Extlinux in chroot
[20:30] <TJ-> digitsm: Oh, in that case, replace GRUB with extlinux and try to get it to behave instead :)
[20:30] <freeman__> i cant rememer if it lets u chose one of the other or both but i woud of clicked both if i could
[20:30] <TJ-> freeman__: so the issue looks to be that the CUPS daemon process is not allowed to access files under /home/user/ which is apparently stopping it printing
[20:30] <freeman__> ahh
[20:31] <freeman__> so should i move my documents outside of my home folder
[20:31] <freeman__> for example another hard disk
[20:31] <freeman__> and then try it
[20:31] <digitsm> TJ-, OK, Thank you for you help and companion. If all things get broken, then I will reinstall xubuntu with a separate /boot partition
[20:31] <freeman__> still not printing
[20:31] <TJ-> freeman__: there are some other, more interesting, errors in the syslog I think we'll sort first though  "hp[7677]: io/hpmud/jd.c 197: invalid uri model HP_ENVY_4500_series != ENVY_4500_series"
[20:32] <freeman__> man i dont understand any of the stuff lol
[20:32] <TJ-> freeman__: give me 5 minutes to check on systems here
[20:32] <freeman__> ok
[20:32] <freeman__> thanks so much for helping me thus far il be here
[20:32] <Zteam> wileee, not sure how you mean, but I guess the easiest way out of this problem is to just reformat my kali pendrive to a Ubuntu pendrive temporarly :)
[20:33] <halberd> does anybody know what a process named "http" that uses bandwidth and writes to disk is?
[20:34] <wileee> Zteam, Sure in understanding, not sure your end goal, you might address what the issue is for help.
[20:34] <wileee> underlying issue
[20:35] <wileee> Zteam, I use the multisystem usb loader, you can have as many iso's that fit on it to boot.
[20:36] <Ben64> halberd: paste the line from ps aux
[20:36] <Zteam> wileee, well the reason for choosing Kali Linux as my pendrive was that Intend to experiment a little with Kali linux later on :)
[20:36] <halberd> I can't, I killed it already
[20:37] <Ben64> halberd: then can't help you
[20:37] <TJ-> freeman__: can you check if this package is installed: "apt-cache policy libsane-hpaio"
[20:38] <freeman__> ok
[20:38] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718412/
[20:38] <wileee> Zteam, Sure, it should be usable, if your usb is big enough you can load multiple OS iso's and than switch around as you learn would be my guess.
[20:38] <freeman__> looks like it is
[20:39] <TJ-> freeman__: good.  Goto Modify Printer again change the URI to "hp:/net/ENVY_4500_series?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>" (drop the 'HP_' )
[20:42] <freeman__> ok
[20:43] <freeman__> TJ
[20:43] <freeman__> ITS WORKING
[20:43] <Zteam> wileee, thanks that sounds useful :-)
[20:43] <freeman__> IT WORKINGGGGGGGGGG
[20:43] <TJ-> freeman__: at last! what a silly mistake to make :)
[20:43] <freeman__> ITS WORKING MAN
[20:43] <worstadmin> I'm removing old kernels using apt-get -y remove and noticing that after upgate-grub there's still a bunch listed in my grub's menu.lst - why is this?
[20:43] <worstadmin> *update-grub
[20:44] <Ben64> worstadmin: because you should use sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:44] <worstadmin> Yep that did it
[20:44] <TJ-> worstadmin: The system is using GRUB v1 (grub.lst)  then, not GRUB v2 (grub.cfg) ?
[20:44] <worstadmin> Just tried it
[20:44] <worstadmin> thaks
[20:44] <wileee> Zteam, No problem, pen testing is a good money maker I suspect if you get good at it and could be independent.
[20:44] <worstadmin> TJ-: 2
[20:44] <worstadmin> but apparently update-grub works
[20:45] <freeman__> thanks
[20:45] <TJ-> worstadmin: there's backward compatibilty for grub.lst, but it's better to complete the migration so it is pure GRUB v2
[20:45] <Pici> freeman__: please ease up on the enter key.
[20:45] <worstadmin> for sure
[20:45] <Zteam> wileee, yeah, its kinda ironic in that way, a security oriented distro that breaks the most basical security principle ever dont ever run your system as root
[20:45] <freeman__> TJ thank u so much man
[20:46] <freeman__> so was that the issue the entire time
[20:46] <TJ-> freeman__: You still need to keep in mind those ecryptfs errors in syslog.
[20:46] <Zteam> wileee, well I'm just doing it for a hobbie for now
[20:46] <freeman__> i just printed a document from my desktop so i think its all good now
[20:46] <ExploitMan> there is here a dedicated programming server?
[20:47] <freeman__> i really needed to print these documents today for business reasons so man i really appreciate it
[20:47] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes, the auto-discovery found the printer via multicast-DNS *but* used the DNS URI to address the printer, rather than correcting it to use the HP-LIP URI scheme
[20:47] <freeman__> wow confusing LOL
[20:47] <wileee> Zteam, I help here if I can, same as a hobby here, got kinda obsessed with it, still there with lurking for info. ;)
[20:47] <TJ-> freeman__: different printer manufacturers provide different ways to access their devices - it becomes a minefiled
[20:47] <freeman__> well man ur on another level of knowledge but i am really happy now so thanks again
[20:48] <freeman__> do u work for ubuntu or something
[20:48] <OerHeks> freeman__, we are all volunteers
[20:48] <freeman__> thats cool man
[20:48] <OerHeks> have fun ;-)
[20:49] <freeman__> i took a lot of notes so i shouldnt have to go thru all this again if it happens again
[20:50] <TJ-> freeman__: being able to avoid a GUI and get to the text of logs and config files makes solving these issues many times easier than guessing
[20:50] <freeman__> yeah i see, just dont yet understand all the computer language
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> ExploitMan: you mean a programming channel?
[20:51] <dv_> I noticed that the wily repos still have gstreamer 1.5.91 , which is a development (= non-stable) release.
[20:51] <dv_> will it be upgraded to 1.6 ?
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> dv_: #ubuntu+1 for wily
[20:52] <dv_> ok
[20:52] <freeman__> ok im going to work on my paperwork now that the printer works, TJ i wish u the best of luck man
[20:53] <TJ-> dv_: Wily has 1.6.0 in -proposed
[20:53] <dv_> ok
[20:53] <Zteam> wileee, yeah I agree this is a very nice support channel :-)
[20:54] <TJ-> Zteam: did you solve your cryptsetup issue?
[20:57] <digitsm> TJ-, Even after installing Extlinux I got "Boot error"!!!! Something is wrong at all!
[20:57] <digitsm> Anyway I will reinstall xubuntu this time with separate boot partition
[20:58] <ExploitMan> someone can suggest me a good C programming Net?
[20:59] <reisio> ExploitMan: channel? ##C or #friendly-coders
[20:59] <Zteam> TJ, unfournetly not, im planning to work around it, by just making a Ubuntu usb stick instead, I guess kali and Ubuntu juses different versions of cryptsetup or something
[20:59] <ExploitMan> thanks
[21:00] <lotuspsychje> ExploitMan: ##programming is usefull too
[21:04] <flotex7> :D
[21:06] <ChibaPet> Hey all. Based on a chart (http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life) it seems that 14.04 is still in the zone where it'd get hardware updates. I'm wondering specifically if Canonical has by chance backported support for BayTrail/ValleyView hardware. It appeared in mainline 3.18 and is stable/usable/not-buggy in 4.x.
[21:07] <k1l_> !enablementstack | ChibaPet
[21:07] <rauldipeas> Hey, anyone can help me to create an UEFI Only stick?
[21:07] <k1l_> ChibaPet: you can get the vivid kernel in LTS, which is 3.19
[21:07] <ChibaPet> k1l_: Ah, nifty. I'll read about that. Thank you.
[21:07] <TJ-> digitsm: I think its the system BIOS. I have a diagnostic MBR I wrote for syslinux project you could test with
[21:07] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: what are you trying to do?
[21:07] <ChibaPet> 3.19 might be new enough - there were bugs with backlight support that went away sometime after 3.18.
[21:07] <TJ-> Zteam: I'd think the most likely cause is simply that the correct kernel crypto modules aren't loaded
[21:08] <rauldipeas> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on UEFI mode with a USB.
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: dualboot or singleboot ubuntu?
[21:08] <rauldipeas> Singleboot.
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: disabled fastboot and secureboot and your good to go
[21:08] <k1l_> ChibaPet: the next point release (14.04.4 iirc) will get the 15.10 kernel, which is 4.2. although you can use the mainline kernels form the mainline repo (but dont have any support on there, or updates)
[21:09] <k1l_> !mainline | ChibaPet
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: then F12 and load up your ubuntu usb
[21:09] <rauldipeas> I'm try this, but no success... :/
[21:09] <ChibaPet> k1l_: Is there an expectation of when that might happen released anywhere publically? If it's soonish, I may well just wait for that.
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: doublecheck your bios line per line
[21:10] <rauldipeas> I'm try to write image with lot of programs, such unetbootin, dd, gnome-disks, etc...
[21:10] <digitsm> TJ- My bios is this one: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/G41C-S/?cat=Download&os=BIOS
[21:10] <digitsm> Version 1.1
[21:10] <EriC^^> rauldipeas: is uefi enabled?
[21:10] <TJ-> digitsm: do you want to test with my diag-mbr/
[21:10] <rauldipeas> I'll check again, but I try to do this many times.
[21:11] <EriC^^> rauldipeas: try esc when the pc boots, then boot options > uefi usb
[21:11] <rauldipeas> UEFI is enable, if I use UEFI Only, the flash drive does not appear.
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: some systems has also an intel security block deep in bios to prevent installing another Os
[21:11] <digitsm> TJ- You are a really expert person. Writing a diag-mbr is very hard in my point of view
[21:11] <rauldipeas> USB is show only on legacy boot mode.
[21:11] <TJ-> digitsm: Here's the source-code and the built binary: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.S https://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.bin
[21:11] <digitsm> TJ-, Thanks, I will test it if you refer me to a link
[21:12] <TJ-> digitsm: Basically you save the current sector 0 and write mbr-diag.bin to the first 435 bytes and boot with it
[21:12] <TJ-> digitsm: What it does is write a report of what the BIOS tells it is the boot device
[21:13] <digitsm> TJ-, Your site is iam.tj very innovating name
[21:13] <rauldipeas> I do all You're telling me, but usb stick just show on Legacy.
[21:13] <TJ-> digitsm: normall, the 'first' fixed disk should be 0x80, the 'second' 0x81 and so on. When using a manual boot device selection many BIOS pass the wrong number to the bootstrap code. This daig-mbr reports what the BIOS tells it
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> !usb | rauldipeas also make sure your stick works
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: then install on legacy?
[21:14] <rauldipeas> Yes, on Legacy it's all right.
[21:14] <TJ-> digitsm: You should do TWO teset boots with this, the first without pressing any keys, and the 2nd with the Ctrl key held down. Report the output from both boot attempts.
[21:14] <digitsm> TJ-, The first fixed disk or the first fixed sector is 0x80?
[21:14] <ChibaPet> k1l_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases makes me think "roughly every six months" which might mean next February, but I'll keep an eye on this. Thank you again.
[21:15] <TJ-> digitsm: BIOS allocates 'drive numbers' and floppy disks start at 0x00, fixed (hard) disks at 0x80
[21:15] <TJ-> digitsm: if you have the issue I suspect, BIOS is telling the bootstrap code the wrong drive number
[21:15] <digitsm> TJ-, What do you mean by "fixed" hard disks?
[21:16] <TJ-> digitsm: anything booted using sector 0 bootstrap with a partition table.
[21:16] <TJ-> digitsm: as opposed to a floppy, or ISO9660/El Torito, device
[21:18] <umpfag> help,  li ion battery issue, is it stupid to charge it with my laptop on?
[21:18] <ali2015> what is the best cmc
[21:18] <umpfag> i mean using xubuntu and charging it
[21:18] <umpfag> am I destroyin g its lifespan?
[21:18] <wileee> rauldipeas, We see users here whom have a msdos partitioning but with uefi remnants in the partition table, this make any sense?
[21:19] <digitsm> TJ-, I am willing to test your diag-mbr, but do you think it can really help?  Back in 2009 I provided patches to syslinux project which now has alternative MBR images that allow you to work around the BIOS bug
[21:19] <reisio> umpfag: yup
[21:19] <reisio> the battery's
[21:20] <umpfag> reisio, is it safe to charge it while running any os? laptop on
[21:20] <reisio> umpfag: yeah
[21:20] <umpfag> so, charge it, when full and plugged in, take it away
[21:20] <reisio> realistically, you'll want a new computer before your battery dies, regardless of how you charge it
[21:20] <wileee> umpfag, just be aware of what a power loss will be with no battery on board.
[21:20] <reisio> charge it when it's almost empty, to full, then let it deplete to almost empty, repeat
[21:21] <umpfag> wileee, dont get that, dont understand it
[21:21] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. OK, so first let me reinstall xubuntu with a separate /boot partition. Then I will test your mbr
[21:21] <umpfag> reisio, is that good for li ion batteries?
[21:21] <reisio> basically all batteries, I believe
[21:21] <wileee> umpfag, any computer stopped abruptly can be a brick
[21:21] <digitsm> TJ-, But how could I backup my current mbr?
[21:21] <TJ-> umpfag: Lithium-Ion chemistry batteries have a condition built in, which monitors battery state. It communicates with a charge-controller in the power supply which ensures the battery is charged optimally, including turning off the charge operation when required.
[21:22] <reisio> well your power manager should safely hibernate or shutdown the system well before it runs entirely out of power
[21:22] <digitsm> dd if=/dev/sdc of=/path/tosomewhere bs=what? count=1
[21:22] <TJ-> digitsm: read the header of the mbr-diag.S the comments there give an example
[21:22] <digitsm> TJ-, ^
[21:22] <reisio> when required by what?
[21:22] <TJ-> digitsm: See the "Usage:" part for an example of backup/restore of MBR
[21:23] <TJ-> reisio: required by the battery parameters. The charge controller maintains a charging profile so it knows when to adjust the voltage/current into the battery based on the condition monitoring
[21:24] <digitsm> TJ-, It is much like writing mbr of syslinux. It even has the exact 440bytes
[21:24]  * reisio is skeptical
[21:25] <digitsm> That magical number = first 440 bytes!!
[21:25] <TJ-> digitsm: that is the limit of available bytes in sector 0 for the bootstrap code
[21:25] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. thanks for that info
[21:25] <umpfag> i need a link to take care of my battery
[21:25] <TJ-> digitsm: that bootstrap code is responsible for loading the rest of the boot loader - in GRUB's case core.img
[21:26] <EriC^^> where's core.img found?
[21:26] <reisio> in /boot/grub somewheres, IIRC
[21:26] <digitsm> TJ-, Now that you are an expert, what solutions could be available there to boot from an ext USB3 hdd using a PCIe USB3 card?
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> umpfag: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/ReducedPower
[21:27] <reisio> umpfag: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2009/10/how_to_charge_your_laptop.html
[21:27] <digitsm> TJ-, As you may know bios can't boot from a PCIe USB3, it can only boot from onboard USB ports
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | umpfag
[21:27] <reisio> umpfag: but you'll probably want a new laptop before your battery dies anyway
[21:27] <digitsm> Except  that PCIe card has an optional bios/rom itself
[21:28] <TJ-> digitsm: You'd need a UEFI mobo with a UEFI driver for the USB controller
[21:28] <digitsm> TJ-, I like to boot from my ext USB3 HDD with usb3 speed, so I can boot into xubuntu very fast and I can use my external hdd instead of my heavy laptop
[21:29] <umpfag> ok
[21:29] <umpfag> this piece of crap has a limited life of 3 years...
[21:29] <TJ-> digitsm: or, is the controller has an Option ROM then the system BIOS should link that in as a possible boot device
[21:29] <reisio> umpfag: you'll want a new computer before than anyway
[21:29] <reisio> and they'll be a third of the cost
[21:29] <reisio> not worth worrying about
[21:29] <reisio> before then*
[21:30] <umpfag> my current craptop is 5 years old and im happy with it
[21:30] <reisio> happiness doesn't factor in :p
[21:31] <umpfag> lolwut?? batteries cannot be removed from apple laptops???
[21:31] <umpfag> some models of*
[21:31] <umpfag> idiots
[21:31] <reisio> most, I'd say
[21:31] <reisio> well, Apple people like spending money
[21:31] <TJ-> umpfag: there are 2 major causes of premature Li-Ion degrading: storing with the wrong level of charge (typically 80% is recommended), and lots of recharge cycles
[21:31] <reisio> so it's a feature, really
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> !language | umpfag
[21:31] <digitsm> TJ-, Both cases are impossible for me, my mb has an intel G41 chip, doesn't have UEFI, doesn't support loading optional roms and my PCIe USB3 card has NEC chip which I guess doesn't have optional rom either
[21:32] <reisio> you can't use a battery and not spend its lifespan
[21:32] <reisio> don't worry about it so much
[21:32] <umpfag> TJ-, so, charging up to 80%?
[21:32] <digitsm> TJ-, But there are some projects like plop, plopkexec, etc which claim that can boot from USB3 (even from USB3 cards)
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> digitsm: i use plop alot on old systems
[21:32] <reisio> umpfag: read the link I gave you :p
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> digitsm: works like a charm for non-usb booting bios
[21:33] <digitsm> TJ-, These tools first load USB3 drivers, and then try to detect storages attached to them
[21:34] <TJ-> digitsm: What plop etc do is boot from a different device into a minimal Linux env that has the Linux USB drivers, then kexec/bootstrap the other device
[21:35] <TJ-> digitsm: Usually GRUB can do the job just as well, it has USB drivers too
[21:35] <digitsm> lotuspsychje, Yeah, plop is very good. I tested it. But plop bootloader doesn't support USB3 yet (it will in version 6) and plopkexec only loads a kernel in a ext4 partition with a Syslinux bootloader not grub
[21:35] <digitsm> TJ-, I think grub doesn't has XHCI driver
[21:36] <digitsm> TJ-, And I think it can't detect devices other than those reported from bios
[21:36] <digitsm> I am not sure
[21:36] <TJ-> digitsm: correct, not yet
[21:36] <digitsm> TJ-, Not support yet for XHCI? or Not support for devices other than those recognizable by bios?
[21:37] <TJ-> digitsm: grub has modules that can work with pretty much any device. They may need building into the core.img to make them available to the rescue env, so grub can find its root on the devices
[21:37] <TJ-> digitsm: not yet got XHCI support
[21:37] <Twirl> hi, why do i have to disable/enable networking every time i turn on my computer or wake it up to connect to my wifi network?
[21:37] <TJ-> digitsm: 'grub-install' actually compiles/links the modules into the single executable we call core.img
[21:38] <TJ-> Twirl: possibly the rfkill status needs a kick, maybe it gets confused.
[21:38] <csmule> Whats the right way to change hostname? sudo hostname and then append to /etc/hosts localhost?
[21:38] <EriC^^> !hostname
[21:39] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah, but my problem (only detecting core.img not any more) is not related to USB3 detection by grub, because I had connected my ext HDD to a USB2 port before
[21:39] <Twirl> TJ-: i dont know what ur takling about, what does that mean, what do i have to do?
[21:39] <TJ-> digitsm: Yes, I know. I was talking about that as something unrelated to your system issue
[21:40] <TJ-> Twirl: the laptop has to have a way to disable the radios (think 'airplane mode'). The tools are called RFkill (Radio Frequency kill)
[21:40] <digitsm> TJ-, Anyway thank you much for these info. So I can expect booting from PCIe USB3 by using either plop 6 or future versions of grub
[21:40] <csmule> ubottu: thanks much
[21:41] <TJ-> Twirl: the laptop's firmware is usually responsible for setting the initial mode of that. Some/many firmware seem to have problems in getting that correct when the OS is Linux. That often is caused because the firmware doesn't provde Linux the same functionality that it gives to Windows
[21:41] <TJ-> digitsm: Some months away I'd think. Did you test mbr-diag? If you give me the results it writes I can tell you if the BIOS drive-number bug is causing the issue
[21:42] <digitsm> TJ-, Also I am still not sure about grub being able to do so in the future, because I think it would need drivers for PCIe, XHCI and many other things. Seems unlikely
[21:42] <digitsm> TJ-, I have not tested it yet.
[21:43] <Twirl> TJ-: man its very retarded that i have to turn off and on networking to start working every time i turn on or wake up my machine
[21:43] <TJ-> digitsm: GRUB has no problem with PCIe
[21:43] <TJ-> Twirl: what make/model of laptop is it?
[21:44] <Twirl> TJ-: toshiba satellite
[21:45] <digitsm> TJ-, It may take some  time before I can test your diag-mbr. If you want to go please send me your email, so I can email the results for you later
[21:45] <TJ-> Twirl:  what does "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep 'Windows'  " report ?
[21:46] <TJ-> digitsm: that's fine, drop by here if the issue continues and you've done the tests. The source-code explains the output. Key value is what drive-number is shown next to the 'D' with and without Ctrl key held down at boot time.  I'd pick what seems to be the latest, so if you have "Windows 2009" add: "  "acpi_osi=Windows 2009"   " to the kernel command line via the GRUB boot menu, to test it
[21:49] <Twirl> TJ-: no i wont do that, that is simply retarded
[21:49] <TechEffigy> hi
[21:49] <Twirl> i wont add any commands to my kernel to avoid having to turn my networking off and on to have internet
[21:49] <TJ-> Twirl: it sounds like the state of the device isn't being detected/toggle after initial power-on. That info comes from the system firmware via ACPI. If the functions being called to get the state return the wrong values, the OS becomes confused.
[21:49] <reisio> TechEffigy: ohai
[21:49] <TJ-> Twirl: fine. Complain to Toshiba then, ask them to fix the firmware.
[21:50] <Twirl> TJ-: u dont even know if its that it used to work fine
[21:50] <Twirl> TJ-: also, it's retarded
[21:50] <JunkHunk> Hello is there an irc channel for kodibuntu?
[21:50] <TJ-> Twirl: You don't know it isn't. When problems come up, we test the known most-likely causes first
[21:50] <Twirl> TJ-: all i have to do is turn off and on the networking to make it work, that should be automated
[21:50] <reisio> JunkHunk: /msg alis list *kodi*
[21:51] <Twirl> i refuse adding flags to my kernel for something so retarded
[21:51] <TJ-> Twirl: you seem to be more interested in shouting about it rather than determining why, and how to fix. This is a support channel; use another if you want to bitch about it
[21:51] <Twirl> TJ-: yes i am angry why cant u just accept that it is freaking retarded?
[21:52] <JunkHunk> I know nothing about kodibuntu
[21:52] <Twirl> TJ-: anyways there has to be a simple fix for this retarded problem
[21:52] <Twirl> TJ-: i refuse adding flags to my kernel or consider it a driver issue
[21:53] <JunkHunk> Reisio
[21:53] <Twirl> TJ-: also i cant waste any time with this stupid crap, its going to be added to the things that waste time in my life and i have to deal with it because trying to fix it will consume a lot of time
[21:53] <JunkHunk> I did not understand your post
[21:53] <TJ-> !ot | Twirl
[21:53] <wileee> JunkHunk, 4 channel run their command
[21:53] <wileee> channel's*
[21:53] <reisio> JunkHunk: what do you want to know about it?
[21:53] <reisio> JunkHunk: you can install Kodi on any distro
[21:54] <TechEffigy> ive got this idea, donno if it is possible
[21:54] <JunkHunk> Whether it will run ue4 for instance
[21:54] <reisio> it is
[21:54] <Twirl> TJ-: no it's not off topic u kidding man
[21:54] <JunkHunk> Is it possible to use kodi as the host os?
[21:54] <Twirl> TJ-: u know how much time it takes to turn on and off this computer to test ur theory ? around 15 minutes
[21:55] <Twirl> TJ-: 5 minutes to turn off and 10 minutes to turn back on
[21:55] <Twirl> TJ-: all of that just to see if it works and i would have to add flags to the kernel i don't want
[21:55] <HackerII> waaaah
[21:55] <TechEffigy> i want to run ubuntu server, with containers that run python code, each container must have its own IP that i can connect to from the wifi card, the server wont be connected to the inet
[21:55] <reisio> JunkHunk: no, but it's possible to run kodi on its own on an OS
[21:56] <reisio> TechEffigy: yeah you can do that
[21:56] <JunkHunk> Then what kodibuntu is reisio
[21:56] <reisio> but if you want help doing it, you'll probably have to explain what it's all for
[21:56] <reisio> JunkHunk: I'm guessing it's a version of Ubuntu with Kodi preinstalled
[21:56] <TechEffigy> what do i need for each container to have its own ip?
[21:56] <TechEffigy> NAT?
[21:56] <tr3-v0r> hi
[21:56] <HackerII> JunkHunk,  you can install kodi on ubuntu, there are ppa for it
[21:56] <HackerII> works great
[21:56] <k1l_> JunkHunk: its ubuntu preinstalled with kodi. best is to ask the kodi guys on that one
[21:56] <TechEffigy> i want it to be container1.techeffigy.zoo
[21:57] <TJ-> TechEffigy: you can route or bridge the container network
[21:57] <reisio> TechEffigy: pick lxc or openvz and then ask the channel on that containment system about it
[21:57] <TechEffigy> not on the net
[21:57] <TechEffigy> k cool
[21:58] <tr3-v0r> hi guys. Can anyone tell me which is the best linux course training I can start?
[21:58] <tr3-v0r> I mean certified
[21:58] <reisio> probably whatever red hat shills
[21:58] <JunkHunk> I run kubuntu, and I was looking for something more dynamic... Activities on kde desktop are too laggy and I thought perhaps kodi could do the tric
[21:58] <JunkHunk> Trick
[21:58] <k1l_> tr3-v0r: that topic better suits into #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[21:59] <reisio> JunkHunk: well, kodi does a specific trick
[21:59] <reisio> either you want that trick or not
[21:59] <TJ-> tr3-v0r: Linux Foundation operates some courses along those lines
[21:59] <JunkHunk> Is there an easy way to switch from kubuntu to kodibuntu?
[22:00] <reisio> JunkHunk: yes, but
[22:00] <reisio> JunkHunk: there's not much point
[22:00] <reisio> it's all the same software
[22:00] <ascot_> hello there, anyone know how to make clicking the upper right corner close a maximized window in Mate? At the moment I need to move the mouse a few pixels down.
[22:00] <JunkHunk> Okay thanks
[22:12] <AEL-H> Sorry to repeat, I asked before but then my connection dropped. First off I want to say I am quite an inexperienced user. My SD card mounts to /media/removable/SD\ Card -- They key problem here being the space in the name. I have downloaded a program but for whatever reason their installer does not allow for spaces to be in the directory name-- Is there any easy way I can just make it mount to /media/removable/SDCard ? I had a look in /etc/fstab but it says "#
[22:12] <digitsm> TJ-, I reinstalled ubuntu this time with a separate /boot partition and the problem got fixed
[22:12] <digitsm> Weird!
[22:12] <reisio> AEL-H: eject it from file manager, then change the FS label
[22:13] <reisio> or use programs that aren't really badly made
[22:13] <reisio> probably the best course
[22:13] <TJ-> digitsm: You know, I wonder if the issue was some weirdness in the ext4 file-system you originally installed into, that made the GRUB ext2 driver not see some areas. How large was the root file-system?
[22:14] <digitsm> TJ-, It may be
[22:14] <digitsm> TJ-, My external HDD is 2TB which is recognized by Gparted or Linux installer very slowly. And the root partition was ~200GB
[22:15] <TJ-> digitsm: there are some outstanding bugs related to ext4, but mostly they are in the OS probing side (installation tooling) not the actual boot code
[22:15] <reisio> usb tends to be slower
[22:15] <TJ-> digitsm: I wouldn't have thought 200GB was a problem for ext3.
[22:16] <TJ-> digitsm: s/ext3/ext2/
[22:17] <digitsm> TJ-, So you suggest me to reinstall on a single ext3/2 partition again
[22:17] <TJ-> digitsm: Oooo! "Disks with 4KiB sectors aren't BIOS-bootable (not fixable unless BIOSes supporting such disks are discovered)" https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=37631
[22:17] <TJ-> digitsm: does that external drive use 4KiB sectors?
[22:17] <Shiek> hello any german here to help me with ubuntu :)
[22:17] <digitsm> TJ-, Because I had tested 2 partition setup (ext2 /boot and ext4 /) before and plopkexec could recognize all Extlinux menu entries except the linux entry!
[22:17] <reisio> most do nowadays, I think
[22:18] <reisio> to avoid having to use GPT
[22:18] <reisio> because...
[22:18] <reisio> :p
[22:20] <wileee> Shiek, hard to say, you seem to to be english efficient, they're is probably a german ubuntu irc channel
[22:21] <moloney> If I want to enable a service at boot in 14.04, and the init script has LSB headers, is the correct way to call 'insserv'?
[22:23] <digitsm> TJ-, No, the "sudo fdisk -l" shows the sectors size at 512bytes
[22:23] <digitsm> not 4096bytes
[22:24] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, not that one then!
[22:24] <digitsm> TJ-, YEah
[22:24] <Shiek> how i can install nvidia driver on 14.04
[22:24] <TJ-> digitsm: there's another bug whereby grub mis-identifies ext4 as minix2 file-system. That won't explain that you could read the file-system but 1 directory /boot/ seemed to be empty
[22:25] <TJ-> digitsm: remind me - which Ubuntu release is it causing the issue?
[22:25] <digitsm> TJ-, I am currently using Xubuntu 14.04.1 32bit
[22:25] <TJ-> digitsm: whatever the underlying issue it affects extlinux too, so I'm preferring a BIOS bug
[22:26] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah, it even affects extlinux
[22:26] <digitsm> It was very weird, but there are many weird unlogical behaviors in computing world
[22:28] <TJ-> digitsm: the external disk connected over USB2, or eSATA ?
[22:28] <digitsm> TJ-, USB2
[22:28] <digitsm> It is USB3 capable but I can't boot from USB3 PCIe card yet
[22:28] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, so there is a USB<>SATA translator in the mix too
[22:29] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah
[22:29] <TJ-> digitsm: I've witnessed *many* problems with those devices, especially with larger drives.
[22:29] <TJ-> digitsm: is the external enclosure a named brand/model I can look-up ?
[22:29] <digitsm> TJ-, But I don't think it's the root
[22:29] <TJ-> digitsm: I would bet if you connected the drive directly to one of the Mobo SATA ports the problem would go away
[22:30] <digitsm> Yeah, it was a standard Seagate External HDD
[22:31] <digitsm> The model is "Seagate Expansion Portable Drive" 2TB with SATA to USB3 adapter
[22:31] <digitsm> I doubt Seagate use cheap buggy controllers in its own ext drives
[22:31] <digitsm> anyway
[22:32] <TJ-> digitsm: any number of incompatibilites can show up, especially when the system expects USB2 but is talking to a USB3 controller in compatibility mode
[22:33] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm, yeah. The USB3 controller in compatibility mode could be buggy
[22:33] <moloney> No one can comment on using "insserv" versus "update-rc.d"?
[22:33] <digitsm> I am not sure
[22:34] <TJ-> digitsm: I think you have a BIOS bug in there. It should be possible to work-around it with GRUB at least, but uncluding the usb,usbms,nativedisk,ahci and related modules in core.img
[22:35] <TJ-> moloney: update-rc.d
[22:35] <TJ-> s/but uncluding/by including/
[22:36] <moloney> TJ-: It seems like update-rc.d ignores my LSB header though, while calling insserv directly works correctly
[22:36] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. Dunno. I am getting tired. It's 2AM now and I have to go to bed. I will test with a single ext2/ext3 root partition (without /boot partition) tomorrow.
[22:37] <digitsm> If it failed I will come back to my previous setting (/boot on ext2 and / on btrfs) and will give up using PCIe USB3 card at all. Maybe in the next months plop bootloader 6 or next grubs solve my issue
[22:37] <AEL-H> reisio : Sorry, how could I do this from terminal?
[22:37] <TJ-> moloney: what command are you using? what is the unexpected result?
[22:38] <digitsm> TJ-, Thank you for your help. I hope to speak with you tomorrow too
[22:38] <digitsm> :D
[22:38] <digitsm> bye now
[22:38] <TJ-> digitsm: it'd be easier to put an eSATA connector on the backplane and simply get a eSATA enclosure for the drive :)
[22:39] <digitsm> TJ-, As long as I know I can connect eSATA to normal SATA too. So it will give me the native speed
[22:40] <[n0mad]> AEL-H: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive
[22:40] <digitsm> The only problem is that many PCs I have at work or university doesn't have any eSATA port
[22:40] <[n0mad]> i'd just use gparted myself
[22:41] <digitsm> I didn't want to lose the compatibility factor
[22:41] <theios> ads
[22:41] <TJ-> digitsm: I use cables with eSATA on one end and internal SATA on the other, for working with drives for recovery. It works fine
[22:41] <digitsm> If there was an enclosure supporting both USB3 and eSATA it would be great, but there isn't any
[22:42] <TJ-> digitsm: Hmmm, then maybe a combined eSATA/USB enclosure. I have 2 here that are very useful for that kind of situation
[22:42] <wafflejock> yeah I have a "toaster" with USB and eSata not sure about USB3 though
[22:42] <wafflejock> think it was made before that was an option
[22:42] <TJ-> digitsm: http://www.addonics.com/products/zesu3cs.php
[22:43] <digitsm> wafflejock, :))
[22:44] <wafflejock> yeah mine is like this style http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G28N3542&cm_re=esata_USB3-_-17-198-054-_-Product think it was like $15 on sale at microcenter (not sure if they still exist)
[22:44] <TJ-> digitsm: if you want even more flexibility there are Firewire800/USB3/eSATA available too :)
[22:44] <[n0mad]> so much more fancy than my ide>usb
[22:45] <wafflejock> has an SD card reader and think CF or some other styles I've never encountered
[22:47] <TJ-> I use the eSATA enclosure with an ExpressCard/34 dual port SATA adaptor
[22:48] <digitsm> wafflejock, Where is the toasting capability of your enclosure?
[22:48] <wafflejock> digitsm: yeah not a literal "toaster" I said that without including the part where it's not a toaster, just holds the drives upright like slices of bread in a literal toaster
[22:49] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm, I may be able to find a 3.5" SATA -> USB3/eSATA enclosure, but it is very large and heavy. It can eliminate the portability feature of my current HDD
[22:49] <wafflejock> digitsm: and has a button that you press and it ejects the drive from the top like toast out of a toaster, but no toasting capabilities unless you run the drive really hard :)
[22:50] <wafflejock> digitsm: if you're looking for portability would go with a 2.5 inch one to start anyhow then the enclosure included and it's smaller than a 3.5 drive itself typically
[22:50] <Aphotica> Can anyone help me figure out how to send a file from my Ubuntu to someone else's?
[22:50] <digitsm> wafflejock, Have you tried a bread in its slot? It may work as toaster too :))
[22:50] <wafflejock> digitsm: true I suppose I haven't tried :)
[22:51] <wafflejock> Aphotica: you can use scp pretty easily if you setup openssh on both machines
[22:51] <TJ-> digitsm: that is a problem with some enclosures. Always the trade-off.
[22:51] <wafflejock> Aphotica: are they on the same network or across the internet?
[22:51] <Aphotica> Across the Internet.
[22:51] <Aphotica> wafflejock, across the internet
[22:52] <moloney> TJ-: doing 'update-rc.d myinitsript defaults' will print some warnings like "update-rc.d: warning: default start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match myinitscript Default-Start values (3)". Then I see it made a links to start my script at levels 2/3/4/5 instead of just 3 like the LSB header requests
[22:52] <wafflejock> Aphotica: okay so scp will work but would require that you "punch a hole" through the router on the side you're sending the data to so it allows port 22 to get to the computer you want to communicate with, is this a one time thing, also how big is the data?
[22:52] <Aphotica> Pretty big. I'd like to set up a folder he can just access and download stuff from.
[22:53] <miller536> hi
[22:53] <wafflejock> Aphotica: alright, you may want to check out rsync too then, rsync will use the ssh connection but can recover from failures but has some processor overhead to make that happen, would test it out with scp first to make sure just copying a file across is working fine
[22:53] <wafflejock> someone else chime in if there's an easier way otherwise can walk through what needs to happen here
[22:54] <moloney> TJ-: on the other hand, doing "/usr/lib/insserv/insserv /etc/init.d/myinitscript" will only make the link under /etc/rc3.d/ as I would expect
[22:56] <wafflejock> Aphotica: okay so what you need to have setup for this to work is the client computer (your friend who will access stuff on your computer, will call the server for now that has the files on it) will have to generate a private/public key pair https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys <-- that page explains using ssh-keygen which will create the private/public key pair for their computer
[22:56] <Aphotica> wafflejock, mkay
[22:57] <wafflejock> Aphotica: they then just need to run, cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, to print out the public key, they'll send that to you and you add it to your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys text file (if it doesn't exist you make it)
[22:57] <wafflejock> Aphotica: this will allow them to use ssh or scp or rsync to connect to your server, when they use ssh-keygen it will ask for a password, if they use one that's used to seal their private key so it's used when they connect if they leave it blank anyone who gets a hold of the private key could get in without a password
[22:58] <TJ-> moloney: maybe you've found a bug. Can you pastebin the init script?
[22:59] <wafflejock> Aphotica: once you have that public key from the client in the authorized_keys on the server you can use scp http://www.hypexr.org/linux_scp_help.php for quick one off copies, or if you want to do something more regularly like just copy some folder from the server to the client every time a script is run you can write a small bash script that uses rsync inside to duplicate the folder... added benefit of rsync being if it fails it can
[22:59] <[n0mad]> if you have ssh setup then your friend could also sftp
[22:59] <wafflejock> Aphotica: details on rsync here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[23:00] <moloney> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12719200/
[23:02] <TJ-> moloney: this is 14.04 ?
[23:02] <Aphotica> Thanks
[23:02] <Aphotica> And yes
[23:03] <wafflejock> Aphotica: np let me know (or the room in general) if you run into any bumps along the way or have questions
[23:03] <Aphotica> mkays
[23:03] <moloney> TJ-: yes
[23:06] <[n0mad]> might want to setup a user for the friend too and make sure he has permissions to read whatever directory
[23:07] <TJ-> moloney: I'm trying to reproduce in a chroot here, but 'default's is adding 0-6 !
[23:07] <wafflejock> Aphotica: ah one thing I mentioned above too but didn't explain in the explanation part, you also need to have port 22 forwarded from your router to your computer on the server side (assuming that you have a router) typically this is pretty easy to do you just need to get your servers local LAN IP address like <IP_ADDRESS> and go into your router's configuration page and look for port forwarding then set the public port 22 to private
[23:08] <wafflejock> Aphotica: the client side guy running the scp or rsync commands on their computer will be using your WAN IP (the one your ISP assigned to your router) to connect and the router has to pass along that connection to the "server"
[23:09] <moloney> TJ-:  Yeah, seems like "defaults" means to override the LSB header.  But I can't find instructions on how to make it respect the header. The manpage for "insserv" describe it as a low level tool used by update-rc.d, and discourage people from using it directly.  I am confused :(
[23:10] <TJ-> moloney: OK, I've looked at the Perl script. "sub defaults" does NOT match the description in "man update-rc.d"
[23:11] <TJ-> moloney: more specifically, if you pass the options [START [STOP]] params it uses them, else it uses K{0,1,6} S{2,3,4,5}
[23:12] <TJ-> moloney: the only time parse_lsb_header() is called is with the 'remove' parameter
[23:13] <TJ-> moloney: ignore that!  When it reads te LSB header it doesn't get the levels from it
[23:21] <moloney> TJ-: thanks for looking at it
[23:23] <TJ-> moloney: OK. Unless this happened when I copied from your pastebin, the script appears to have /n/r line endings ("hexdump -C /etc/init.d/haroute | less")
[23:25] <TJ-> moloney: Right. Fixed those (must have come via the pastebin). Now i get the errors you reported
[23:27] <TechEffigy> so back to the last two days problem
[23:27] <TechEffigy> my resolution is all wrong and xrandr doesnt even help
[23:28] <TechEffigy> and it looks like pixel stretching is happening on the bottom of the screen
[23:28] <TechEffigy> so i installed ubuntu server, no gui, and it still has the wrong resolution and pixels are still stretching
[23:28] <TJ-> moloney: ahh, man-page does say this behaviour: "If  defaults  is used then update-rc.d will make links to start the service in runlevels 2345 and to stop the service in runlevels 016"
[23:28] <TechEffigy> what does that mean?
[23:30] <moloney> TJ-: Right, it talks about "legacy mode" using the command line arguments and "default mode" using the LSB headers.  But using the "defaults" arg is not the same as asking for the "default mode".  But how do I get this "default mode" behavior?
[23:32] <TJ-> moloney: I think the man-page is behind the times, it is dated 2005
[23:34] <moloney> TJ-:  But surely there is a way to avoid "legacy mode"...
[23:34] <wafflejock> TechEffigy: can try adjusting your grub graphics potentially http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211966 believe that's all that will be used until a DE is started using X at which point I think it starts trying to use whatever graphics card drivers, not entirely sure on when that hand off happens though or what the tty is using
[23:36] <TJ-> moloney: found the changelog entry that appears to indicate that functionality is gone
[23:36] <TJ-> moloney: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12719378/
[23:37] <moloney> TJ-:  AHA!  If you delete /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering then it will try to do it... and fail because "insserv" is not on the path... but it does try
[23:37] <TJ-> moloney: Ahhh, you have that set?
[23:38] <moloney> TJ-:  It was set at install I guess, unless something else set it
[23:38] <TJ-> moloney: Yes, possibly in the postinst script, or due to an upgrade from an earlier release
[23:39] <moloney> TJ-:  Seems like update-rc.d expects it to be set anyway, like I said it fails to find 'insserv' when it is deleted and thus update-rc.d breaks (unless I manually put insserv on the PATH)
[23:39] <TJ-> moloney: It's at "/usr/lib/insserv/insserv" ?
[23:40] <moloney> TJ-:  Right, but I have to manually put that on the PATH for update-rc.d to work after deleting /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering
[23:41] <moloney> TJ-:  And that changelog you referenced seems to indicate they expect people to call insserv themselves
[23:42] <moloney> TJ-:  Of course the insserv man pages says "It is not recommended to execute insserv directly unless you know  exactly  what  you're doing,  doing so may render your boot system inoperable"
[23:42] <hardyred> Hi If I am told a folder is in ~/.testFolder/ where would I look to find this in Ubuntu?
[23:43] <TechEffigy> grub didnt work
[23:43] <TechEffigy> starting to think its a bios problem
[23:43] <wileee> hardyred, home hidden  ctrl-h to show
[23:44] <TJ-> moloney: yeah, I think it is a result of bit-rot and different maintainers for different packages
[23:44] <hardyred> wileee: thank you
[23:44] <moloney> TJ-: Should I be using upstart to do this?  (at least until systemd replaces it)
[23:44] <wileee> no problem
[23:46] <TJ-> moloney: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12719448/
[23:47] <TJ-> moloney: it'd probably be less pain :)
[23:48] <TJ-> moloney: Are you doing this for packaging, or just for a single system? If the latter, you can do it manually with "update-rc.d haroute start X . stop Y
[23:49] <moloney> TJ-:  Just setting up my own systems and was surprised by the behavior
[23:50] <TJ-> moloney: create a symlink "sudo ln is /usr/lib/insserv/insserv /usr/sbin/insserv" maybe?
[23:50] <TJ-> s/is/-s/
[23:51] <TJ-> TechEffigy: can you "dmesg | pastebinit"
[23:53] <moloney> TJ-:  Well it looks like insserv rewrote all my /etc/rc*.d/* links, and not for the better (although it did handle my one custom init scrip correctly). So I think I will just do it manually with update-rc.d or use upstart
[23:54] <TJ-> moloney: it did all?
[23:54] <TJ-> moloney: was that by calling it yourself, or via the update-rc.d call-out
[23:55] <moloney> TJ-: yeah, I have a couple of identical systems and the one I ran insserv on is now having booting/shutdown issues.  I compared the /etc/rc*.d/ directories and they are all changed
[23:55] <moloney> TJ-: not sure which call did it
[23:56] <TJ-> moloney: Well, that is what insserv is supposed to do. It is at the mercy of the LSB headers - only needs one incorrect and it can mess up the entire thing
[23:56] <mtyoncol> bazhang: is willing to start.
[23:57] <moloney> TJ-:  Yeah not a big deal, I can reconfigure the server easily enough. It was a learning experience ;)
[23:58] <TJ-> moloney: sure was. Thankfully systemd mostly manages to figure those things out correctly
[23:58] <moloney> TJ-:  Thanks for the help
[23:58] <mtyoncol> bazhang