[11:11] <IRCMonkey> cool.. btw should i burn on a CD-RW, or CD-W, or possibly DVD?
[11:11] <sethk> Ricker, that's largely because xwindows is a separate user interface layer that runs on all the environments I care about.
[11:11] <Sepheebear> OMG Ricker how dare you say the BSD word, this is a linux chat, we dont allow that kind of stuff around here, lol
[11:11] <gnomefreak> cd r
[11:11] <IRCMonkey> k
[11:12] <sethk> Ricker, by the way, cygwin includes an X server for windows, so that trick I told you about (sending the display to another machine) will even work in windows.
[11:12] <Ricker> sethk: a friend of mine claims the only way to go is bsd.  I can't figure out why because as you said they are so similar.  he makes comments that the linux world is too messed up or something and that that's why he likes bsd...but I don't get his specifics
[11:12] <gnomefreak> cd r=not rewriteable cd rw = erase adn rewrite
[11:12] <Dashiva> i like bsd...but it tends to be more time consuming
[11:12] <Dashiva> for a desktop machine you want linux
[11:12] <gnomefreak> dvd too big unless you have the dvd iso and still wouldnt need it
[11:12] <sethk> Ricker, there are some limited cases where I do prefer BSD - in firewalls, for example. For my desktop and most of my servers I use linux.
[11:12] <IRCMonkey> so cd-r would be safer to use..
[11:13] <gnomefreak> IRCMonkey,  yes
[11:13] <sethk> Ricker, but I agree, last time I checked "messed up" is not a well defined term.  :)
[11:13] <Sepheebear> i love the kernel and startup configuration in BSD flatfiles rule
[11:13] <Ricker> sethk: cygwin-- wow that's really cool.  so a gui doesn't have to be running on the linux server for me to use a gui that connects to the server from a windows box?
[11:13] <sethk> Ricker, precisely.
[11:13] <Ricker> sepheebear:  ;-)  I know, naughty word
[11:13] <sethk> Ricker, there are a couple of non-free X servers for windows that are easier to set up (xwin32 is one)
[11:13] <Sepheebear> Ricker: lol
[11:14] <sethk> Ricker, but once you've figured out how to set it up, the cygwin server works well.
[11:14] <j2daosh> ok im back... with the right privies this time lol... turns out i couldn't do anything... none of the options for this account were turned on in the system>admin>users and groups thing...
[11:14] <michael_> what do i install to change from gnome to kde
[11:14] <Ricker> excellent info again everyone.  thanks much!!!
[11:14] <sethk> Ricker, I'm always suspicious of dogma.  Plus if anyone says "linux is better than bsd" or "bsd is better than linux" I immediately say, "to do what?"
[11:14] <j2daosh> but now i have another quetion... what a shock huh... how do i turn stuff off from starting up when the comp logs in? is there like a startup folder or something like with windows?
[11:15] <wizardjames> how do i get temp senseor working so i can see what temp my computer is running at?
[11:15] <sethk> j2daosh, that's a two part answer.  One, there is desktop restoration.  this runs whatever was running the last time you shut down.
[11:15] <sethk> j2daosh, then there are . files in your home directory you can use to start apps when X runs, but by default they are empty.
[11:15] <Ricker> sethk:  right.  I have been a programmer in the windoze world since 1990.  and i am SO sick of wars over languages/os's, etc.  It's like comparing computer peni$'s or something
[11:15] <j2daosh> no sethk i didn't click the save button before loggin out
[11:15] <michael_> does ne1 know what i need to mark to change from gnome to kde?
[11:16] <j2daosh> home directory eh.... lemme look
[11:16] <sethk> j2daosh, doesn't necessarily matter, depends on how the desktop is configured.  You don't have to explicitly save
[11:16] <sethk> michael_, if both are installed, click on session at the login screen and choose kde
[11:16] <michael_> how can i install both?
[11:16] <sethk> Ricker, I like to know a variety of languages.  How else can I know which is going to be best for a given problem?
[11:16] <michael_> idk which things to mark
[11:17] <gnomefreak> michael_, what one do you have installed now?
[11:17] <Ricker> sethk: exactly
[11:17] <michael_> gnome
[11:17] <Sepheebear> michael_: you first want to start by installing KDE, lol, but after that minor detail is in place, there is a "Session" button on the GDM screen that you can select KDE with
[11:17] <sethk> Ricker, that's often missing in the computer world.  The question is not "which is the best language", but "which is the best language to do X"
[11:17] <j2daosh> uhh yeah... sethk ... which .file do i need to remove? whatever is starting up?
[11:17] <Ricker> sethk: besides in this economy, you have to keep up with more than one language/OS
[11:17] <sethk> j2daosh, the files you will care about are in the .gnome directory under your home directory
[11:17] <gnomefreak> than if your using synaptic choose kubuntu-desktop it give you apps along with the kde GUI
[11:17] <sethk> Ricker, that's true.
[11:17] <Vexor> Does anyone know how to make the module dependency file static?  I have the kernel 3rd party modules installed for variouse reasons, and everytime I make changes to it, it gets updated correcting the changes I made..
[11:18] <Java_the_Hutt> can anyone help me out for GPRS over bluetooth ?
[11:18] <michael_> k, ty
[11:18] <sethk> j2daosh, if you remove the entire .gnome directory it will be returned to the state it was in the first time you logged in.
[11:18] <j2daosh> only thing in there is the trash_entry_cache
[11:18] <sethk> j2daosh, check other . directories.  Also make sure you use -A with ls to see hidden (dot) files in the subdirectories.
[11:18] <j2daosh> what about .gnome2?
[11:19] <j2daosh> im using the gui file browser to see them all
[11:19] <sethk> j2daosh, see the .gnome2 directory
[11:19] <Ricker> sethk:  I'm curious.  are you located in the united states?
[11:19] <sethk> j2daosh, also .gnome_private
[11:19] <sethk> Ricker, yes
[11:19] <gimmulf> HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM SWEDEN!
[11:19] <gimmulf> lol
[11:19] <richardtallent> Anyone: installing Ubunto 5.10, it didn't recognize my Linksys wireless PCMCIA card (WPC54G). Any ideas?
[11:19] <sethk> Ricker, not everyone in the US is a nut.  :)
[11:20] <MarcN> sethk: just 51% are
[11:20] <lucasvo> richardtallent: is it a card with prism chipset?
[11:20] <sethk> richardtallent, probably you'll need to load some kernel modules, since the install didn't figure that out for you.  do man modprobe
[11:20] <ddiggler> Anyone can help me to install more development tools on my ubuntu box,other than Perl :)
[11:20] <Vexor> gimmulf : it's not the new year here yet, but in a few hours it will feel like 2009.. ;)
[11:20] <Sepheebear> we just have nuts creating our patent laws
[11:20] <gimmulf> :)
[11:20] <sethk> MarcN, probably closer to 95%, but whatever...:)
[11:20] <michael_> it's not letting me select any of the kde options
[11:21] <epp> how do install an rpm?
[11:21] <richardtallent> lucasvo: have no idea
[11:21] <michael_> i tried kdesktop, kdebase, and kdegraphics
[11:21] <MarcN> sethk: /me lives in a Blue State.
[11:21] <twysted> epp alien
[11:21] <afief> epp: you use alien to convert it to a deb
[11:21] <richardtallent> sethk: thanks, will try this  after install is complete.
[11:21] <Ricker> sethk: I'm here in the US as well.  this is certainly Off topic, but I will only ask this once, my next question is, have you personally noticed a squeeze in the job market as tech jobs are being moved out of our country?
[11:21] <sethk> richardtallent, lucasvo I thought that one is atheros, but I might not be correct
[11:21] <Sepheebear> michael_: where are you trying those options
[11:21] <michael_> synaptic
[11:21] <epp> hmm
[11:21] <twysted> epp last time i installed a rpm on my box it broke it i had to unfuck it
[11:21] <sethk> Ricker, yes and no.  I'm working on software that will run on an assembly line in Taiwan
[11:21] <eric_> I'm on ubuntu but what to xubuntu how do i that?
[11:22] <twysted> eric_ xubuntu is ubuntu
[11:22] <sethk> Ricker, It appears to me that the job market is moving in the right direction again, although slowly
[11:22] <Ricker> sethk:  wow.  does that require you to read understand chinese or is it in english?
[11:22] <epp> twysted, thx for the info i wioll lay of the rpms
[11:22] <sethk> Ricker, I think the outsourcing thing is a fad which will pass.
[11:22] <sethk> Ricker, english.
[11:22] <Amaranth> eric_: enable universe and install xubuntu-desktop
[11:22] <sethk> Ricker, everyone in the far east works in english, at least in the technical fields
[11:22] <Ricker> sethK:  I"m noticing it FINALLY starting to pick up here too (whew)
[11:22] <michael_> i'm starting to think about dloading kubuntu and installing it, but i don't wanna wait that long
[11:22] <eric_> oh, I did that but nothing changed
[11:23] <Vexor> gimmulf : my friends seem to think they are going to get me all crazy tonight, but it's when I get back on the computer in the morning, seeing double, THAT is when it gets all weird.  Every new year I have to re-install my OS for some damn reason.
[11:23] <sethk> Ricker, I'm hoping it is a trend and not just a blip
[11:23] <FlannelKing> michael_, you can easily convert ubuntu to kubuntu
[11:23] <[Ely] > Hey epp I'm back!
[11:23] <Shadyman> Hi guys.
[11:23] <michael_> how?
[11:23] <Ricker> sethk: ME TOOOOOOOO
[11:23] <Amaranth> eric_: You need to logout and choose a different session on the login screen
[11:23] <ataq> Happy New year Guys!!!
[11:23] <sethk> Vexor, maybe the new year's eve party?
[11:23] <Amaranth> eric_: It'll probably be called XFCE or xubuntu
[11:23] <Ricker> sethk: the last 3 years were hell.
[11:23] <michael_> i don't have kde installed
[11:23] <sethk> Vexor, you black out and trash your machine?  :)
[11:23] <FlannelKing> michael_, there's instructions... um, but its basically get the kubuntu meta package
[11:23] <Sepheebear> isnt all the kubuntu kstuff in kmain kalready kanyway?
[11:24] <Vexor> sethk : I never remember exactly why..
[11:24] <eric_> oh I see, I restarted by pc after I used synaptic to install and it just brought my usual login screen
[11:24] <michael_> which one is it? I try to select packages, but they rely on other things that can't beselected
[11:24] <[Ely] > brb
[11:24] <ddiggler> Hehe,i found out...thanks anyway
[11:24] <Ricker> sethk: thank for the chat!  always nice to visit this channel.
[11:24] <epp> Ely!!!
[11:25] <BxL> eric_, on the login screen, there is a button called session, click on it and choose xfce.
[11:25] <epp> Ely, i try to compile an app in java and it wont work
[11:25] <BxL> eric_,  then login, and you should be in xfce
[11:25] <Sepheebear> michael_: why not just install the kubuntu-desktop package
[11:25] <sethk> Ricker, np, good to talk to you.
[11:25] <Eleaf> what can I use to encode an mp3 from an ogg file?
[11:25] <Eleaf> lame doesn't work
[11:25] <[Ely] > lol Epp
[11:25] <michael_> Sepheeber: can i pm you
[11:25] <eric_> ok thanks, I'll try that.  Now if I decide I like that better how do I get rid of the gnome version
[11:26] <MarcN> Eleaf: ogg => WAV => mp3
[11:26] <FlannelKing> michael_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[11:26] <[Ely] > Ok now Im just using a virtual machine, while I learn more about Ubuntu Epp.
[11:26] <BxL> eric_, try it, we'll see after okay?
[11:26] <Sepheebear> Eleaf: there used to be an app called dir2ogg that converted mp3 to ogg format
[11:26] <michael_> k, ty
[11:26] <FlannelKing> basically its just installing kubuntu-desktop meta package
[11:26] <FlannelKing> which takes care of the rest
[11:26] <Java_the_Hutt> can anyone help me out for GPRS over bluetooth ?
[11:26] <eric_> alright I will, thanks for the help
[11:27] <Eleaf> Sepheebear, Marc_On_Vacation ok thanks...
[11:27] <Eleaf> Marc_On_Vacation, when I do that, the file size gets huge when it goes to a wav...
[11:27] <Sepheebear> Eleaf: check the ubuntu wiki, there was an unsupported repository that you could use to get dir2ogg
[11:27] <michael_> i dunt have kubuntu-desktop in my list, i need to have the right repository i think
[11:27] <BxL> eric_, no problem
[11:27] <Vexor> sethk : last year I just didn't feel like my computer was 'clean' enough..  pretty crazy.
[11:27] <Delvien> !restricted
[11:27] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:27] <Sepheebear> michael_: are you on breezy or hoary?
[11:27] <michael_> hoary
[11:27] <Eleaf> I want it to go from ogg to mp3
[11:27] <sethk> Vexor, lock up the computer and don't open it before noon tomorrow.  :)
[11:27] <epp> anyone know how to set the path of the JDK?
[11:27] <Sepheebear> kubuntu-desktop is in breezy main
[11:28] <MarcN> Eleaf: convert your ogg to a wav file, then convert the wav file to mp3
[11:28] <Vexor> oh man, noon tomorrow would be even worse
[11:28] <michael_> i didn't know breezy was released yet
[11:28] <nalioth> Eleaf: it will most likely have to be put into .wav format to be reripped as ogg
[11:28] <ltibor65> Seveas, tell me a midiplayer for Ubuntu, please!
[11:28] <Eleaf> MarcN, That makes the file size off the roof...
[11:28] <brasko> OK, I finished downloading and burning the ISO
[11:28] <dooglus> michael_: there is a new release every April and October.
[11:28] <brasko> I have 1 recomendation
[11:28] <Sepheebear> michael_: yeah its been out since october
[11:28] <brasko> It could be nice to have a smaller ISO
[11:28] <Vexor> just moved to Madison, WI.. this will be my first new years here..  I don't know what to expect.
[11:28] <brasko> since it takes so long to download
[11:28] <brasko> and finish it off with a net install
[11:28] <Eleaf> nalioth, when I go ogg to wav to mp3, the filesize ends up getting just bigger...
[11:29] <MarcN> Eleaf: I don't know of a direct ogg to mp3 converter.  Try piping the output of oggdec to lame
[11:29] <nalioth> Eleaf: once you get the mp3 you can delete the wav
[11:29] <ltibor65> Boys, who can tell me a midi-player?
[11:29] <Eleaf> nalioth, ... the final mp3 is too big
[11:29] <epp> anyone know how to set the path of the JDK?
[11:29] <nalioth> Eleaf: then adjust your mp3 ripper settings
[11:29] <MarcN> Eleaf: you can control the size/quality of the mp3 file
[11:29] <Eleaf> nalioth, say I start with a 3 meg ogg file, I go to wav which makes it like 50 megs. then that recompresses as like 5 or 6 megs.. it needs to be smaller
[11:29] <Eleaf> nalioth, on the lowest quality
[11:30] <MarcN> Eleaf: use pipes!
[11:30] <nalioth> Eleaf: then perhaps you should use aac or stay with ogg
[11:30] <cvt|nixmas> anyone know why mplayer isn't in synaptic?
[11:30] <Sturgeon> cvt|nixmas: it is
[11:30] <Sturgeon> cvt|nixmas: add the right repositories
[11:30] <Sepheebear> cvt|nixmas: it is in multiverse
[11:30] <michael_> how do i add the breezy repository?
[11:30] <Eleaf> nalioth, omg.  I have a huge project I'm doing for my dad.  He can't use ogg, it needs to be mp3 for his site.  I use ogg normally
[11:31] <Sepheebear> michael_: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and change the hoary lines to breezy
[11:31] <Eleaf> MarcN, when I go from ogg to mp3, it just creates a file with loud static
[11:31] <brasko> geez, did I screw up? or is the ISO supposed to drop me to the A:\> ?
[11:31] <FlannelKing> michael_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[11:31] <thegladiator> i dont like pdf files being previewd in nautilus . how can i get rid of it ?
[11:32] <Vexor> I usually use SHN for FLAC.  When I convert that to MP3, that's when I LOSE static.
[11:32] <Vexor> OR
[11:32] <brasko> Does anyone know if the ISO for breezy is supposed to drop you to the A:\> ?
[11:32] <IRCMonkey> "IRCMonkey, put cd in cd rom and boot from cdrom in bios" how i get in bios?
[11:32] <brasko> or did I screw up the burn with nero?
[11:32] <twysted> its  not brasko
[11:32] <brasko> geez
[11:32] <Eleaf> hello?
[11:33] <thegladiator> i dont like pdf files being previewd in nautilus file manager . how can i get rid of it ?
[11:33] <twysted> brasko your more then likely not booting from the cd atg all
[11:33] <TonySt> Alright... when I boot, Kubuntu doesn't automaticly recognise my network card, so I have to 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper' every time at boot, manually. Then, I have to head into networking and activate my network card
[11:33] <Nik----> i'm trying to install Ubuntu on a hard drive that already has XP installed.. i'm at the partitioning step.. when creating the swap partition, should it be primary or logical? should it be bootable?
[11:33] <polpak> thegladiator, in nautilus go to edit->preferences
[11:34] <brasko> twysted: it's definatly the disk I'm in
[11:34] <polpak> thegladiator, then go to the preview tab and specify your options there
[11:34] <brasko> Can I run one of the exe's to boot the startup off?
[11:34] <twysted> nik--- eh it doesnt ask that in the ubuntu installer when your making a swap
[11:34] <cvt|nixmas> how do i add multiverse?
[11:34] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cvt|nixmas about repos
[11:34] <twysted> brasko i doubt it ;) maybe you burned a  w98 cd or something lol
[11:34] <rabbit> according to gnutella, the gtk-gnutella version I got from the universe is very old..   does anyone know anything about this?
[11:34] <nalioth> rabbit: most things in the repos are out of date
[11:34] <brasko> geez
[11:34] <Nik----> i changed the file system to swap area and there's a bootable field... should it be on or off?
[11:34] <brasko> I probably did
[11:35] <nalioth> Nik----: doesnt matter
[11:35] <thegladiator> polpak, what inside preview ?
[11:35] <rabbit> nalioth:  any way to update?
[11:35] <twysted> nik-- off
[11:35] <shekar> i just installed ubuntu and the resolution won't go higher than 640x480
[11:35] <michael_> would somebody with ubuntu breezy be willing to give me a copy of their sources.list?
[11:35] <rabbit> nalioth:  is this version functional for you?
[11:35] <shekar> any ideas?
[11:35] <nalioth> rabbit: grab the source from the homepage and build it (don't forget to use checkinstall)
[11:35] <nalioth> rabbit: i dont p2p
[11:35] <thegladiator> polpak, i dont need to remove images being previewed
[11:35] <Sepheebear> michael_: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[11:36] <michael_> i changed hoary to breezy, but it gives me a shit load of errors
[11:36] <Vexor> I wish ubuntu would conentrate from on feature updates than security updates.  I would love an integrated firefox installation.  I was counting on the backports project for this, but it looks like it didn't work out.  That hurt.
[11:36] <khext> people, happy new year!
[11:36] <IRCMonkey> i probably have more questions but most of them were answered thnx guys.. (such a big commutity) :D
[11:36] <nalioth> michael_: leave the profanity in the barnyard, please
[11:36] <Sepheebear> michael_: that page will generate a working sources.list for you
[11:36] <rabbit> nalioth:  what's checkinstall for?
[11:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell rabbit about checkinstall
[11:37] <shekar> hello,  anybody deal with screen resolution problems ?
[11:37] <michael_> ty
[11:37] <Sepheebear> rabbit: checkinstall is for sissies
[11:37] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Sepheebear about conduct
[11:37] <jhenn> is ubuntu ever getting a graphical installer?
[11:37] <Nik----> is the swap partition supposed to be primary or logical? it asks me before i am able to set it as a swap partition....
[11:37] <thegladiator> adobe reader is faster and better than evince i think
[11:37] <nalioth> Nik----: it doesnt matter
[11:37] <Sepheebear> thanks
[11:38] <nalioth> rabbit: read the link ubotu sent you re checkinstall
[11:38] <rabbit> nalioth: yep
[11:38] <shekar> can't set the resolution higher than 640x480...
[11:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell shekar about fixres
[11:39] <twysted> vexor backports are to use oldersoftware thats been patched to keep it secured its not ot give you the latest and greatest
[11:39] <dustin> does anyone know how to convert a number with commas in php to an integer?
[11:39] <twysted> dustin ask the folks in #php
[11:40] <niffe> happy new year ppl, just chanced in here :)
[11:40] <dustin> yeah I'm there now, not to responsive though
[11:40] <brasko> Is everyone ready for the leap second?
[11:40] <Vexor> twysted : I guess I have alway relied on the project more for version updates than security fixes or legacy applications.
[11:40] <brasko> It's going to happen 1 second before 7PM eastern time, I think
[11:40] <rabbit> nalioth:  "Instead of sudo make install you will use sudo checkinstall"        is it "make"  then "sudo checkinstall" ?
[11:40] <Sepheebear> nalioth: thanks for the reminder, i appreciate that
[11:40] <michael_> talk to you all later, thanks for the help
[11:40] <nalioth> rabbit: yes.
[11:41] <rabbit> nalioth: k
[11:41] <Nik----> what about the ubuntu installation partition... should it be primary or logical? and what file system should i use?
[11:42] <khext> niffe: hey isn't it too crowdy here for this night?
[11:42] <nalioth> Nik----: it doesnt matter
[11:42] <nalioth> Nik----: use ext3
[11:42] <niffe> khext: well, yes ;p
[11:42] <brasko> I mean, this is the prompt I got '[DR-DOS]  A:\>'
[11:42] <brasko> What's up with that?
[11:42] <brasko> Apparently, I have no idea how to burn this ISO using Nero. Anyone does this before?
[11:43] <Sepheebear> doesnt nero have a burn disk image option?
[11:43] <twysted> brasko burn it as an image
[11:43] <twysted> :)
[11:43] <ltibor65> Can somebody tell me an usable midi-player?
[11:43] <navarone> brasko...you have to update your bios...the dr dos is there cos it is allowing bios to see large drive. I had same prob and had to update bios for mb and format drive to get rid of the direct drive overlay (ddo) that was bypassing the bios
[11:43] <Sepheebear> surprising nero doesnt do that automagically since its so popular
[11:44] <polpak> brasko, or you can get other freeware software to burn ISO images to disk
[11:44] <castlerock> ltibor65: does it have to be a Gnome app? or can it be a kde one?
[11:44] <brasko> I did in Nero, Data->Bootable Data Disk
[11:44] <castlerock> ltibor65: a kde that comes to mind is Kmid (KDE midi)
[11:44] <cvt|nixmas> i have dapper
[11:44] <polpak> brasko, no
[11:44] <MasterWammy> Im compiling a new kernel, now it is asking me about IO Schedulers do all of the options have to be selected? anticipatory,deadline,cfq? or can i just select one and not compile the others?
[11:45] <brasko> Disk Image or Saved Project?
[11:45] <polpak> brasko, that'll just make a bootable disk with the ISO on it
[11:45] <kbrooks> Sepheebear, "don't do things unless the user says so"
[11:45] <cvt|nixmas> is dapper preventing me from finding mplayer in synaptic?
[11:45] <polpak> brasko, disk image
[11:45] <brasko> OK, thanks!
[11:45] <theCore> how do I configure Apache to execute python scripts page with mod_python?
[11:45] <polpak> cvt|nixmas, I shouldn't think so
[11:45] <ltibor65> castlerock, I have Kmidi, it plays midi, but there are no sound. What to do?
[11:46] <kbrooks> theCore, CGI is simpler
[11:46] <Draken> can someone help me, i have followed the guide at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368 , to install my nvidia drivers, but i keep on getting there is no precompiled kernel or something to that effect
[11:46] <navarone> ltibor65, do you get any sound at all?
[11:46] <Draken> does anyone know how to fix ?
[11:46] <castlerock> ltibor65: did you check the options and preferences? It just might not be using the right sound output
[11:46] <dfgas-diskless> what is a onscreen keyboard program called?  for gnome
[11:46] <Sepheebear> cvt|nixmas: mplayer is in multiverse in dapper too
[11:46] <castlerock> ltibor65: it should be set to ALSA
[11:46] <theCore> kbrooks, i want to use Python Server Page, so i need mod_python
[11:47] <polpak> Draken, are you using Hoary?
[11:47] <Nik----> should the ubuntu installation partition be bootable?
[11:47] <castlerock> ltibor65: and if Kmidi doesn't work at all, try Musica (do a search for it ;-) )
[11:47] <Sepheebear> in dapper the mplayer-$arch packages have been made into dummy packages
[11:47] <navarone> Nik----, yes
[11:47] <kbrooks> Nik----, yes
[11:47] <Nik----> all right, thanks guys :)
[11:47] <chalcedony> how to play Mp3s in ubuntu?
[11:47] <kbrooks> navarone, echo bounching around eh ;)
[11:47] <kbrooks> bouncing*
[11:47] <Sepheebear> dfgas-diskless: gok
[11:47] <sethk> Nik----, doesn't matter
[11:47] <ltibor65> Mp3, vaw, audio cd gives sound, but midi no.
[11:48] <kbrooks> sethk, who is right?
[11:48] <navarone> ltibor65, if you are not getting sound at all you can also check "alsamixer" in terminal to make sure nothing is muted
[11:48] <Vexor> Draken  : if you don't need the proprietary kernel modules, you can get rid of the 3rd party module package.  It is trying to use that nvidia package instead of your updated nvidia installation.  That is why I came in here, dependency issues with that.
[11:48] <navarone> yup kbrooks
[11:48] <kbrooks> sethk, not you. end of story
[11:48] <sethk> kbrooks, wrong.  It doesn't matter.  I just checked.
[11:48] <ltibor65> ok, navarone, I try alsamixer.
[11:48] <kbrooks> sethk, the mbr ...
[11:48] <Nik----> it sounds like none of the partition settings really matter as long as there's enough space
[11:48] <Afief> How can i edit a textfile in terminal mode?   The bootable flag doesn't matter to linux.
[11:49] <kbrooks> $ nano file
[11:49] <polpak> Draken, ?
[11:49] <Draken> [00:47]  <polpak> Draken, are you using Hoary?
[11:49] <kbrooks> Afief, ^ means CTRL-
[11:49] <Nik----> i don't need to worry about a mount point for the ubuntu installation partition either?
[11:49] <navarone> Afief, type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:49] <polpak> Draken, ah
[11:49] <kbrooks> Nik----, you di
[11:49] <kbrooks> do
[11:50] <polpak> Draken, you should use the WIKI instructions for your video drivers
[11:50] <kbrooks> Afief, ^X == CTRL-X
[11:50] <polpak> Draken, that thread is for Hoary
[11:50] <Draken> polpak
[11:50] <Draken> i have tried the wiki
[11:50] <Draken> same errors
[11:50] <Draken> !nvidia
[11:50] <ubotu> from memory, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[11:50] <Nik----> my ubuntu installation partition mount point is set to / is that ok?
[11:50] <kbrooks> Nik----, yes
[11:50] <polpak> ...
[11:51] <kbrooks> Nik----, thats the default
[11:51] <Afief> !ATI
[11:51] <ubotu> methinks ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[11:51] <kbrooks> Nik----, no /, no install
[11:51] <Nik----> my XP partition isn't bootable... should it be?
[11:51] <polpak> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installnvidiadriver
[11:51] <Draken> and also polpak, the wiki doesnt help with amd64 version
[11:51] <kbrooks> Nik----, grub will detect xp
[11:51] <rabbit> how often is software in the universe updated ??
[11:52] <polpak> Draken, ah.. sorry. I don't know anything about the 64 bit arch
[11:52] <kbrooks> Nik----, a boot loader will come up
[11:52] <navarone> speaking of grub I need food
[11:52] <castlerock> ltibor65: sorry, I am out of ideas....
[11:52] <Draken> polpak, also, ive downloaded the nvidia drivers
[11:52] <castlerock> navarone: lol
[11:52] <Draken> i dont want to redownload them thru a pkg manager
[11:52] <kbrooks> Nik----, and ask u which os to boot
[11:52] <castlerock> navaron: I like the connection between grub and food
[11:52] <kbrooks> Nik----, u can select from windows or linux
[11:53] <kbrooks> castlerock, would you like context?
[11:53] <Nik----> what if the XP partition and the Ubuntu partition are both set to not be bootable? grub still overrides?
[11:53] <rabbit> Draken: I have an nvidia card, but I didn't install a driver,  what difference does it make?
[11:53] <kbrooks> grub is GRUB is GRand Unified Bootloader
[11:53] <Draken> rabbit
[11:53] <Draken> i have a new nvidia card, they dont work nice with X11
[11:54] <rabbit> Draken, ah..  okay
[11:54] <kbrooks> Nik----, set the ubuntu partition to bootable, or your computer will be rendered unbootable
[11:54] <polpak> rabbit, you won't be able to take advantage of opengl games etc
[11:54] <Afief> since i installed ubuntu's fglrx for my ATI card, every video program gives me an error... anybody had that problem?
[11:54] <iamgod> hmmm
[11:54] <Draken> need new drivers or i cant stay in the gui longer then 2mins
[11:54] <kbrooks> Afief, what error? be specific
[11:54] <Nik----> thank you
[11:54] <polpak> rabbit, Are you using a 32 bit processor (intel and older AMDs)
[11:55] <cvt|nixmas> i can't enable multiverse. i get error
[11:55] <rabbit> polpak:  P4 32, yeah..   should I install a driver?
[11:55] <cvt|nixmas> "Could not download all repositories"
[11:55] <iamgod> Afief, I have a radeon IGP 340 M , should I use the fglrx driver?
[11:55] <imperfect-> Hello.
[11:55] <imperfect-> How are you ?
[11:55] <timfrost> kbrooks, Nik----, Linux partitikons donb't need the bootable flag, but Windows partition DOES.
[11:55] <polpak> rabbit, I would.. Read the driver section of the getting started guide
[11:56] <kbrooks> timfrost, not so
[11:56] <rabbit> polpak, my refresh rate only goes to 75 hz  (at this res)  I think..
[11:56] <misfit_toy> imperfect-, we are all drunk
[11:56] <kbrooks> timfrost, not true
[11:56] <imperfect-> rock on
[11:56] <polpak> rabbit, http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#installnvidiadriver
[11:56] <Draken> polpak, i know wat my problem is, its on alot of nvidia forums, i need to update, but every guide i follow gives same problems
[11:56] <iamgod> i want to be drunk...damn it
[11:56] <Afief> kbrooks: totem says the video server/driver is busy. mplayer says xv or something like that is missing
[11:56] <Draken> and the drivers from pkg managers are old
[11:56] <rabbit> polpak: okay thanks
[11:56] <pashaw> Draken,   you comment on X11 and nvidia  is a bit wrong   Nvidia drivers have problems with 64bit wondiws also
[11:56] <imperfect-> Anyone know where i can get a gkrellm theme package?
[11:56] <misfit_toy> iamgod, you have to open a bottle then
[11:56] <kbrooks> Afief, mplayer complains? ummm
[11:56] <polpak> Afief, how did you install the ATI drivers
[11:56] <Draken> pashaw, i know wat im talking about, go read some forums
[11:57] <iamgod> open the bottle..... and
[11:57] <Nik----> will grub work if XP partition is bootable instead of the ubuntu partition?
[11:57] <pashaw> Draken,   sorry    just shoveled driveway   typing even worse then normal
[11:57] <Afief> polpak: downloaded the deb from the repository, installed according to wiki
[11:57] <iamgod> google gkrellm
[11:57] <Java_the_Hutt> anyone can help me with PPPD options and scripts ?
[11:57] <cvt|nixmas> it's not letting me install mplayer. ideas?
[11:57] <polpak> Afief, what ATI card are you using?
[11:57] <pashaw> Draken,   i have nvidia in all my machines expect my lappy   from geforce(1)cards to  6800gt
[11:58] <timfrost> kbrooks, I can't verify the Windows side at present, as I don't have a Windows partition.  However there is no partition with the bootable flag set in my current system.
[11:59] <kbrooks> Nik----, um, please please dont set any partitions bootable
[11:59] <pashaw> Draken,   but on a serious note i hope you get it working  id like to use 64bit a year or too when you guys work out the bugs  :P
[11:59] <Afief> polpak: readon mobility x600. Mplayer plays the movie, but i get a nasty black screen on the background and can't move to full screen
[11:59] <polpak> timfrost, the windows partition won't need the bootable flag
[11:59] <imperfect-> Anyone know where I can get gkrellm themes?
[11:59] <kbrooks> someone?
[11:59] <Nik----> now i'm really confused... some are saying DO make ubuntu parition bootable, others are saying don't ??
[12:00] <kbrooks> what is this "bootable flag"
[12:00] <polpak> Afief, can you pastebin your xorg.conf file?


[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78865 in firefox (main) "Seg-Fault after Google Browser Sync plugin installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78865
[12:09] <Creteil> hi all
[12:09] <Creteil> i'm currently running feisty
[12:10] <Creteil> all seems woking fine except i can't run xcdroast as root to generate the 1st configuration and be able to run it as user ...
[12:10] <Creteil> anyone have an idea ?
[12:15] <ash211> suppose there's a bug in the detection of the grub options in /boot/menu.lst
[12:15] <ash211> what package would that be against?
[12:15] <ash211> bug 78693
[12:15] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78693 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Slow reboot sequence" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78693
[12:17] <ash211> sorry, that's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78866 in liferea (main) "Crash when bootting session as user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78866
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78867 in ubiquity (main) "Umlauts displayed incorrectly during keyboard layout selection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78867
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78868 in ubiquity (main) "display corrupted between Keyboard and User pages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78868
[01:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78869 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed - Kubuntu Feisty Herd 1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78869
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78870 in openoffice.org (main) "openoffice crash when text dragged to firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78870
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78871 in update-manager (main) "Crash: Start Ubuntu 7.04 and report of crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78871
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78872 in totem (main) "Crash with wmv file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78872
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78873 in Ubuntu "cannot shut down from screen or front shutdown button on cpu. Needs to shutdown from rear of cpu." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78873
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78874 in Ubuntu "No obvious way set preferred applications in Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78874
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78875 in gdb (main) "assertion error in linux-nat.c" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78875
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78877 in banshee (universe) "Scrollbar buttons in 'Recommended Artists' dont work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78877
[03:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78878 in xorg (main) "xserver hang running gl screensaver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78878
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78879 in dpkg (main) "dpkg doesn't support the Original-Maintainer field" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78879
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78880 in adept (main) "A crash after a special operation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78880
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78882 in qgis (universe) "crashes when a shape is removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78882
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78881 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed during partition analasis" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78881
[04:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78883 in system-tools-backends (main) "sharing paths with spaces over samba fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78883
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78884 in mplayer (multiverse) "paused mplayer restarts when entering or leaving fullscreen mode" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78884
[05:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #78886 in ubiquity (main) "acpi setting may help" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78886
[05:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #78887 in Ubuntu "xfce4-session doesn't work under vnc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78887
[05:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #78888 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[user-admin]  some groups are hidden" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78888
[06:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #78890 in brasero (universe) "Brasero's menu description doesn't conform to standards" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78890
[06:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #78891 in kde-guidance (main) "kde-guidance fails to launch, linux-2.6.20-5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78891
[07:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #78892 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78892
[07:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #78893 in pulseaudio (universe) "merge pulseaudio 0.9.5-5 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78893
[07:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #78894 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed on "Prepare Disk Space"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78894
[08:11] <Ubug2> New bug: #78895 in bittornado (main) "Bittornado crashed upon system shutdown & restart" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78895
[08:11] <Ubug2> New bug: #78896 in Ubuntu "Kernel Panic with PCMCIA Wireless Cards" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78896
[08:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #78900 in evolution-data-server (main) "Crash if composing or answering email in groupwise account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78900
[08:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #78901 in Ubuntu "wrong menu.lst makes booting imposible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78901
[09:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #78902 in seahorse (universe) "Using the Nautilus context menu (provided by Seahorse) to sign a file doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78902
[09:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #78903 in boa-constructor (universe) "merge boa-constructor 0.4.4cvs20050714-3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78903
[09:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #78904 in labplot (universe) "crash in OPJ import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78904
[09:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #78905 in gaim (main) "duplicate icq/aim buddies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78905
[09:41] <Ubug2> New bug: #78906 in Ubuntu "Shutdown automatically restarts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78906
[10:19] <dholbach> good morning
[10:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #78908 in firefox (main) "crash suddenly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78908
[11:14] <seb128> grumpf
[11:14] <seb128> people copying the crash file to the bug description
[11:21] <Ubug2> New bug: #78909 in ubiquity (main) "fakeraid: no active autopartitioning choice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78909
[11:26] <Ubug2> New bug: #78910 in ubuntu-sounds (main) "Names of Edgy sounds are "wrong" " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78910
[11:41] <Ubug2> New bug: #78913 in gaim (main) "gaim chashed when connection to wildfire (jabber) server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78913
[11:50] <Ubug2> New bug: #78916 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when accessing some URLs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78916
[12:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #78918 in seahorse (universe) "[Feisty]  Cant sign a file using nautilus context menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78918
[12:31] <Ubug2> New bug: #78919 in mysql-query-browser (universe) "crash after refresh schemata and then File->Select Shema" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78919
[12:33] <Ubug2> New bug: #76544 in fnfx (universe) "[Sync Request]  fnfx 0.3-12" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76544
[12:34] <Ubug2> New bug: #78920 in Ubuntu "Lenovo (ex IBM) Thinkpad T60, starting from Live CD 6.10, uses vga mode only" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78920
[12:34] <Ubug2> New bug: #78921 in firefox (main) "firefox stops responding" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78921
[12:51] <Ubug2> New bug: #76355 in fig2sxd (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync fig2sxd (0.16-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76355
[12:51] <Ubug2> New bug: #78922 in gnome-screensaver (main) "please include time and date in unlock dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78922
[12:51] <Ubug2> New bug: #78923 in udev (main) "Firewire audio requires excessive user permissions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78923
[12:55] <Ubug2> New bug: #78924 in gnubg (universe) "Segmentation fault in gnubg" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78924
[01:03] <Ubug2> New bug: #76465 in subtitleeditor (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync subtitleeditor (0.12.4-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76465
[01:03] <Ubug2> New bug: #76487 in libphp-adodb (universe) "[Sync Request]  libphp-adodb 4.93a-1" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76487
[01:03] <Ubug2> New bug: #76488 in librapi2 (universe) "[Sync Request]  librapi2 0.9.3-3" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76488
[01:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #76349 in coolmail (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync coolmail (1.3-9) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76349
[01:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #76360 in gnome-themes-extras (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync gnome-themes-extras (0.9.0-5) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76360
[01:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #76365 in python-pyrss2gen (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync python-pyrss2gen (1.0.0-3) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76365
[01:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #76385 in pyftpd (universe) "[Sync Request]  pyftpd <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76385
[01:05] <Ubug2> New bug: #76389 in php-imlib (universe) "[Sync Request]  php-imlib 0.6-1" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76389
[01:07] <Ubug2> New bug: #76343 in snes9x (multiverse) "[Sync Request]  snes9x 1:1.5-1" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76343
[01:10] <Ubug2> New bug: #78925 in gnome-sudoku (universe) "Please remove gnome-sudoku from the archive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78925
[01:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #69244 in openoffice.org (main) "Crash when switching back and forth from full screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69244
[01:21] <Ubug2> New bug: #69247 in openoffice.org (main) "Crash when browsing document templates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69247
[01:21] <Ubug2> New bug: #78927 in ltsp (main) "configuration instructions missing from ltsp-server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78927
[01:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #78926 in rlplot (universe) "rlplot crash and strange screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78926
[01:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #72002 in tar (main) "v1.15.91-2 of Edgy incompatible with amanda-2.5.0p2-1 also of edgy (dup-of: 71255)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/72002
[01:56] <Ubug2> New bug: #78928 in ubiquity (main) "installer crash on starting partitioner & other bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78928
[02:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78929 in python-defaults (main) "Feisty python upgrade remove ubuntu-desktop, etc.." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78929
[02:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78930 in Ubuntu ""Go back" button doesn't work if swap space is not enabled in installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78930
[02:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #78931 in Ubuntu "PCMCIA soundcard doesn't work after resuming from hibernate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78931
[02:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #78933 in Ubuntu "X not configured correctly for 1680x1050" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78933
[02:45] <Ubug2> New bug: #78934 in Ubuntu "Wireless keyboard" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78934
[03:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #78936 in nfs-utils (main) "mount remote NFS share fails with "Permission Denied" until that share has been mounted locally on the NFS server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78936
[03:16] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there
[03:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> while being at home and setting up a DSL connection for my family with ubuntu, I noticed that there's no easy way to switch DSL on and off in ubuntu. Is this true or is it just me dumb?
[03:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> where "easy" means just click on a button on the panel for example
[03:17] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and SHOULD als mean "installed by default"
[03:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> If this is true, is networkmanager expected to handle this in feisty?
[03:18] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if not, where should I discuss the implementation of this feature before feisty?
[03:19] <dsas> Le-Chuck_ITA: Turn it on and off? Isn't DSL normally always on?
[03:20] <dsas> NetworkManager handles wireless and ethernet connections rather than dsl ones as far as I know.
[03:20] <dsas> You've probably missed feisty. But the usual process is to create a specification, solicit comments on it, revise it and propose it for the next developer meeting.
[03:21] <dsas> Le-Chuck_ITA: I can go into a little more detail if you need it.
[03:23] <Ubug2> New bug: #78937 in gnome-system-tools (main) "NFS Shared Folders > Add Allowed Hosts loses settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78937
[03:26] <Ubug2> New bug: #78938 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78938
[03:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dsas:
[03:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in italy DSL can be pay-per-time
[03:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I cannot believe I have missed feisty and that for another year ubuntu users won't have a simple PON/POFF GUI :(
[03:27] <dsas> Le-Chuck_ITA: Hmm, didn't know that.
[03:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> another 8/9 months at least
[03:28] <dsas> Le-Chuck_ITA: Well, if there's software out there that can do it it can be in feisty still, just not in the default install.
[03:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hmmm
[03:28] <dsas> Le-Chuck_ITA: maybe it's worth asking the guys in #ubuntu-it if they kknow of any solutions?
[03:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I googled for that a lot
[03:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and the typical answer is to use pon/poff
[03:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the "serious" way would be to have a GUI to configure DSL
[03:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and a panel applet
[03:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in any case, there also is no GUI to insert DSL parameteres
[03:30] <coNP> Le-Chuck_ITA: what about adding DSL support to network manager (since it supports more network types)?
[03:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> In fact I think this should be the way
[03:31] <coNP> a specification should be then filed about this, I guess
[03:31] <Ubug2> New bug: #78939 in Ubuntu "boot hangs polling for the root fs when using lvm on dmraid" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78939
[03:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Is the new networkmanager supporting non-dhcp ethernet connections?
[03:31] <dsas> Le-Chuck_ITA: I don't think the current version in feisty does.
[03:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hmmm
[03:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> think I saw a specification for networkmanager...
[03:32] <coNP> Le-Chuck_ITA: it does
[03:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> coNP: it does non-dhcp ethernet?
[03:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> there are a series of issues around current network configuration in ubuntu
[03:34] <coNP> Le-Chuck_ITA: sorry, that is network admin I guess (System / Administration / Network)
[03:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> for example 802.11b authentication for ethernet
[03:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> which one time has made ubuntu look the "guy in the corner" here in Lucca :)
[03:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #78940 in gromacs (universe) "genion bug in Gromacs 3.3.1-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78940
[03:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> because every windows machine could connect, at a conference, and ubuntu needed to download the package from the net
[03:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> fhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-roaming
[03:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm
[03:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-roaming
[03:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> here it is
[03:38] <coNP> okay, so I tought it was about network admin
[03:39] <coNP> because does not either support DSL connections
[03:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Network-admin supports only analog modem
[03:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but ...
[03:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it doesn't work in that case either :(
[03:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I tried and could connect using kppp but not using network-admin
[03:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it just made noise and didn't connect
[03:40] <coNP> Le-Chuck_ITA: you mean it did not work for analog modem connection either?
[03:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes, I tried it for analog modem
[03:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and it didn't work
[03:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I didn't have time to debug it
[03:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and I also thought that the network infrastructure was going to be reworked in feisty
[03:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> don't know why
[03:41] <coNP> I might try it once
[03:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it seems it's not going that way
[03:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> if I edit a specification will someone get notifications?
[03:45] <Ubug2> New bug: #78941 in ubiquity (main) "Splash screen reports release date as April 2006" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78941
[03:56] <coNP> can someone help me if bug #78937 can be backported or not?
[03:56] <Ubug2> Malone bug 78937 in gnome-system-tools "NFS Shared Folders > Add Allowed Hosts loses settings" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78937
[03:57] <seb128> coNP: looking
[03:59] <seb128> coNP: I'm not sure that's important enough to justify a backport
[04:00] <coNP> Is it okay that status is set 'fix released', anyway, seb128?
[04:01] <seb128> coNP: feel free to mark the bug fixed and to say it's not likely to be backported to edgy because that's a minor point point and few people bugged about it
[04:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I finally sent an-email to the assignee of the network-manager specification  :)
[04:05] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Thanks all and bye
[04:06] <coNP> thanks, Le-Chuck_ITA, bye
[04:10] <bddebian> Boo
[04:11] <Ubug2> New bug: #78943 in evolution (main) "Exchange conection crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78943
[04:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #78944 in kdemultimedia (main) "kmix tray icon should change when the volume is turned down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78944
[04:28] <TLE> seb128: I saw you posted in 78173, how does the forwarding upstream proceed. Is it automatic, or do you do it or should one of us ?
[04:28] <seb128> bug #78173
[04:28] <Ubug2> Malone bug 78173 in gnome-utils "no definition when the dictionnary server is not working" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78173
[04:28] <seb128> TLE: it has to be forwarded manually
[04:29] <seb128> somebody with an account on bugzilla.gnome need to open a bug
[04:29] <TLE> seb128:
[04:29] <TLE> ok
[04:29] <seb128> I'm not even sure that's a bug
[04:30] <seb128> it looks for definitions to the available dictionnaries
[04:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78946 in dbmail (universe) "ssl wrapper support broken for pop3 (init script)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78946
[04:31] <seb128> brb
[04:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #78947 in kdebase (main) "File overwrite problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78947
[04:51] <Ubug2> New bug: #78948 in Ubuntu "New Feisty (Jan 12) can't install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78948
[04:56] <Ubug2> New bug: #78949 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Artec T1 USB1.1 TVBOX with AN2235 - Bulk message failed: -22" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78949
[05:12] <TLE> seb128: yeah but it is a prudent feature request then, I mean it should really warn you if the server is down is stead of just doing nothing.
[05:12] <seb128> yeah, probably
[05:12] <seb128> we just have too many bugs, I'm happy when we can close some :p
[05:13] <seb128> and we have other things to fix before trying to workaround broken servers, but right, that's a valid request
[05:14] <TLE> yeah so am I, I'll look into creating a bugzilla.gnome account
[05:14] <seb128> good
[05:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #78950 in python-numpy (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78950
[05:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #78951 in python-scipy (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78951
[05:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #78952 in matplotlib (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78952
[05:29] <TLE> seb128: I'll file the bug upstream once I'm sure it's not a dublicate. So if you want it of the desktop-team list you can assign it to me
[05:30] <seb128> TLE: no, that's fine, I've opened an upstream task for it already, which means it's not on the "to forward list" and not extra work
[05:30] <TLE> seb128: ok fine
[05:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78953 in totem (main) "crash when trying to watch a quicktime video" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78953
[05:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78954 in pyqwt (universe) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78954
[05:30] <seb128> "it's on the "to forward list""
[05:31] <seb128> rather
[05:32] <TLE> ok I'll kepp working on filing it upstream, and then I'll may ask you for help on how to change the upstream report in LP accordingly
[05:33] <seb128> good
[05:53] <TLE> seb128: Ok i didn't find it there allready, so I filed a new one. The link is here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395837
[05:53] <Ubug2> Gnome bug 395837 in gdict "Dictionary simply doesn't show a result and no error massage" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[05:53] <TLE> where in the ubuntu report should I add that info ?
[05:54] <seb128> TLE: on the launchpad page
[05:54] <seb128> click on the upstream line
[05:54] <seb128> it'll display details for it
[05:54] <seb128> pick the GNOME bugzilla for the tracker
[05:55] <seb128> and set the corresponding number
[05:55] <TLE> ahh yes I'm on it
[05:57] <TLE> seb128: like so and then maybe I should also add the link in a comment ?
[05:57] <seb128> that's better
[05:58] <seb128> just a comment saying you have transmitted it to the upstream developpers with the bugzilla URI
[06:00] <TLE> that should be it then, thanks for that learning example
[06:00] <Ubug2> New bug: #78957 in Ubuntu "please sync oops_1.5.23.cvs-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78957
[06:03] <seb128> np
[06:06] <Ubug2> New bug: #78956 in nss-mdns (main) "segfault connecting to Rendezvous printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78956
[06:06] <Ubug2> New bug: #78958 in evince (main) "cbr support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78958
[06:16] <Ubug2> New bug: #78959 in workrave (main) "workrave's idlelog is world readable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78959
[06:28] <TLE> I have a question. I have a bug where the developer have ensured me that the bug will be fixed in the next version of the software, which is a small independent project. Should I then set it to "Fix Committed" even though it might be a while before a tarball containing the fix will be released ?
[06:29] <dsas> TLE: has the bug been fixed? or does he plan to fix it?
[06:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78960 in vim (main) ".viminfo file gets deleted and re-created with 666 permissions" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78960
[06:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78961 in ubiquity (main) "Kubuntu Herd2: crash when starting partitioner" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78961
[06:30] <TLE> dsas: it has been fixed
[06:30] <Adri2000> TLE: bug number?
[06:31] <TLE> 64525
[06:31] <Adri2000> bug 64525
[06:31] <Ubug2> Malone bug 64525 in cmus "man page has incorrect bindings for win-top and win-bottom" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64525
[06:31] <TLE> It's just a typo in the man page, but it's my first bug I'm following through so I want to do it right
[06:32] <Adri2000> fix committed, yes
[06:32] <TLE> Adri2000: ok thanks
[06:32] <seb128> TLE: we use "Fix Commited" when it's fixed upstream
[06:34] <TLE> Yeah I gatherede as much from the wiki, it's just the formulation in the wiki page mostly applies to packages there are part of big projects I think
[06:35] <Ubug2> New bug: #78964 in kdeedu (main) "File overwrite problem" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78964
[06:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #78962 in python-xlib (universe) "configure fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78962
[06:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #78963 in Ubuntu "Bad video driver for GeForce 6800 Go (notebook version). Ater text installation and reboot nothing can be seen." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78963
[06:36] <bdmurray> When is "Fix Committed" used?
[06:38] <Adri2000> when it is fixed somewhere
[06:39] <bdmurray> even as attachment to a bug?
[06:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #78966 in pouetchess (universe) "Moving Bishop after Knights will crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78966
[06:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #78968 in ocfs2-tools (main) "package does not clean" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78968
[06:41] <Ubug2> New bug: #78965 in update-manager (main) "Unable to Complete Distribution Upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78965
[06:42] <Adri2000> bddebian: I think so
[06:42] <Adri2000> bdmurray: ^
[06:42] <Adri2000> sorry bddebian
[06:43] <bdmurray> Adri2000: I read the wiki web page, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks , as saying the the "fix is in CVS/SVN/bzr" . . . or "committed"
[06:44] <Adri2000> seb128: what do you think?
[06:44] <seb128> Adri2000: what?
[06:44] <seb128> no
[06:44] <seb128> we use Fix Committed as a "Pending Upload"
[06:45] <seb128> if it's commited upstream it'll be fixed with next version for sure
[06:45] <Adri2000> ah ok
[06:45] <seb128> if it's attached somewhere it can stay there for a while
[06:45] <Adri2000> right :)
[06:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #78967 in firefox (main) "crashes on youtube" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78967
[06:46] <bdmurray> I'm not clear on what "Pending Upload" means then
[06:48] <dsas> pending upload means upstream have fixed it and seb128 will package it real soon now ;)
[06:48] <seb128> bdmurray: it means that next upload should have it
[06:49] <seb128> like it's part of the package being worked, just need to be uploaded now
[06:49] <bdmurray> seb128: so if a bug has an attachment with a patch that shouldn't be set to "Fix Committed" should it?
[06:50] <bdmurray> s/that/it/
[06:50] <seb128> no
[06:51] <seb128> because somebody needs to actual commit the patch somewhere
[06:51] <seb128> either upstream or to the package
[06:51] <seb128> having the patch attached to a page doesn't mean it'll be part of the next upload
[06:51] <seb128> having a patch commited to the package or upstream source code does mean it'll be part of the next upload
[06:52] <seb128> you can use "In Progress" when there is a patch available
[06:52] <bddebian> Adri2000: ??
[06:53] <Adri2000> bddebian: sorry to have HLed you for nothing, it was a mistake
[06:54] <bddebian> Adri2000: NP
[07:15] <Ubug2> New bug: #78969 in gxine (main) "Crash after changing visualization" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78969
[07:20] <Ubug2> New bug: #78970 in Ubuntu "update makes gnome unable to work !!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78970
[07:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #78971 in gnome-system-tools (main) "network-admin segfaults in on_essid_list_changed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78971
[07:36] <Ubug2> New bug: #78972 in ubiquity (main) "popcon not activated after selecting it in installer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78972
[07:41] <Ubug2> New bug: #78973 in update-notifier (main) "Distro CDROM detection broken in feisty" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78973
[07:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #78974 in kdebluetooth (main) "File overwrite problem" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78974
[07:46] <Ubug2> New bug: #78976 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kvm causes soft lockup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78976
[07:47] <Ubug2> New bug: #78975 in tuxtype (main) "File overwrite problem" [High,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78975
[08:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #78977 in gnome-app-install (main) "gnome-app-install: Please only show in Gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78977
[08:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #78978 in zsh-beta (universe) "[Merge]  Merge from debian unstable 4.3.2-dev-1+20070105-1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78978
[08:27] <Nafallo> lol
[08:33] <palski> what's so funny?
[08:36] <Nafallo> please only show gnomes apps in gnome :-)
[08:37] <ogra> you might laugh, but thats actually what debian seems to do ...
[08:37] <marnanel> sometimes it's kind of difficult to know what "in gnome" really means
[08:38] <gnomefreak> marnanel: i think they mean anything that has to do with gnome directly like gnome-games and gnome-*
[08:38] <Nafallo> gnomefreak should only be shown in Gnome :-)
[08:39] <gnomefreak> yep it cuts down on menu space/ram used for menus (if you want all apps to show up use menu-xdg
[08:40] <Ubug2> New bug: #78979 in unattended-upgrades (main) "the download in backround but don't install option in update manager isn't functional." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78979
[08:45] <Ubug2> New bug: #78980 in hal (main) "hal-device-manager crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78980
[09:01] <Ubug2> New bug: #78982 in xorg-server (main) "starting xawtv crashes Xorg server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78982
[09:25] <Ubug2> New bug: #78984 in Ubuntu "i cant format very well dvdrw " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78984
[09:30] <Ubug2> New bug: #78985 in totem (main) "Make totem-xine the default for totem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78985
[09:31] <Nafallo> yay!
[09:51] <Seveas> @nick Ubugtu
[09:52] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78986 in libggimisc (universe) "libggimisc2 depends on libgii0 which is unavaliable on edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78986
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78987 in synaptic (main) ""Reload" button on "repos have changed, click reload" dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78987
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78988 in php5 (main) "Unmet deps (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78988
[09:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78989 in alsa-driver (main) "snd_cs46xx driver not responding after resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78989
[10:04] <dsas> heh bug 78987 has quite a good point.
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78987 in synaptic ""Reload" button on "repos have changed, click reload" dialog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78987
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78990 in Ubuntu "no sound after finishing some programs (iec958 )" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78990
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78991 in denemo (main) "No icons in documentation when describing toolbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78991
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78992 in spca5xx (universe) ""Logitech QuickCam for Notebooks",  could not query capabilities." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78992
[10:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78993 in mrxvt (universe) "transparency setting/option not respected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78993
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78994 in totem (main) "Totem crashed and somthign something" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78994
[11:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78995 in mono (main) "/tmp/_usr_bin_mono.e-FUrt.crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78995
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78996 in Ubuntu "System freezed after installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78996
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78997 in xchat-gnome "doesn't find its icons" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78997
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78998 in bibletime-i18n (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync bibletime-i18n (1.6.2.dfsg-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78998
[11:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78999 in Ubuntu "Office applications installation ends to error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78999
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79000 in gcc-4.1 (main) "memset in assembler despite -freestanding" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79000
[11:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79001 in Ubuntu "Can't start gnome" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79001
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79002 in rhythmbox (main) "Crashed on scanning USB disk (180GB of files)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79002
[11:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79003 in gnome-mag (main) "Please build with libcolorblind" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79003
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79004 in eikazo (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync eikazo (0.5.2-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79004
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79007 in libccscript3 (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync libccscript3 (1.1.3-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79007
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79005 in ubiquity (main) "Herd2 installer crashes, step 6 (partman) - bug report as instructed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79005
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #79006 in Ubuntu "gwget crushed on resume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79006


[07:47] <Nafai> Hey all
[07:48] <Nafai> Shouldn't there be a libglib-jni package?
[10:39] <Nafai> Also, it would be nice if there were packages for the source jars for the libgnome-java, libgtk-java, etc so we could get the javadoc


[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <geser> good morning
[11:39] <trijntje> Hi all, what is the proper way to get a package into ubuntu? (Ubuntu specific, not for debian)
[11:53] <xnox> trijntje: what is it?
[11:56] <trijntje> xnox: its a package with localised default settings, used to build localised iso's for dutch
[11:56] <trijntje> a similar package for italian is already present: ubuntu-defaults-it
[12:15] <xnox> trijntje: push a branch to launchpad. file a bug against ubuntu asking for sponsorship.
[12:15] <xnox> subscribe ubuntu-sponsors.
[12:17] <trijntje> xnox: Ill do that, thanks!
[12:31] <trijntje> xnox: how can I file a bug against ubuntu? If I click on 'report a bug' for the ubuntu project it forwards me to a wiki page
[12:32] <Laney> read the page, it tells you how
[12:32] <TheLordOfTime> trijntje:  ubuntu-bug [package]
[12:32] <TheLordOfTime> and yes, read that page.
[12:32] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: there is no package yet
[12:32] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug  then
[12:33] <xnox> TheLordOfTime: if you are not in bugcontrol that will redirect you to the wiki page ;-)
[12:33] <trijntje> TheLordOfTime: if I click that link I end up on the wiki
[12:33] <TheLordOfTime> xnox:  ah.
[12:33] <TheLordOfTime> xnox:  forgot about that one :P
[12:34] <TheLordOfTime> trijntje:  so read the wiki then
[12:34] <TheLordOfTime> it explains how to file a bug
[12:37] <trijntje> it does a pretty bad job of explaining how to file a bug requesting packaging of a program
[12:37] <TheLordOfTime> those're special bugs arent they?
[12:38] <trijntje> I've been able to file a bug against ubuntu itself using this link, but it's not exactly easy to find
[12:38] <trijntje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect
[12:38] <Laney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_at_Launchpad.net links to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages#Requesting%20a%20new%20package%20for%20Ubuntu
[12:38] <TheLordOfTime> did you try using the link they give?
[12:38] <TheLordOfTime> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect&field.tag=needs-packaging
[12:39] <TheLordOfTime> well, different link, but..
[12:41] <TheLordOfTime> the link i just gave comes from the page that Laney mentioned: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[12:45] <trijntje> Thanks, I just got anoyed because I kept getting redirected to the wiki while I just wanted to file a bug against ubuntu itself
[12:45] <TheLordOfTime> you should read what it says on the wiki then
[12:46] <Laney> never mind, it's done now
[12:46]  * TheLordOfTime returns to fixing his webserver
[12:53] <trijntje> TheLordOfTime: or you could just have pointed me in the right direction. I asked a simple question, you repeatedly provided a wrong answer, and keep telling me to read a 15+ page wiki page to find 1 link, which links to another page, which has the answer i'm looking for
[18:33] <bobweaver> Hello I want to make diff for bug that I just filed
[18:33] <bobweaver> !bug 1077115
[18:34] <bobweaver> what is diff command to get difference in package. or should I just re-package the hole thing ?
[18:34] <bobweaver> whole *
[18:36] <bobweaver> really weired debian/control already has the dependency's of  python-vte, python-gtkspell  in it but when using it I had to install
[18:36] <bobweaver> becuase they where not installed Oo
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> that's because they are in the "Suggests" field, not the "Depends" field
[18:38] <bobweaver> ahh correct I should move to Depends: ?
[18:38] <micahg> bobweaver: no
[18:38] <bobweaver> and use wrap-and-sort as it is hard to read as shown above
[18:38] <micahg> reportbug is mainly used as a command line tool
[18:39] <bobweaver> ahh I see maybe make a metapackage called reportbug-gtk ?
[18:39] <bobweaver> if there is not one that is
[18:39] <micahg> bobweaver: that's a good idea, maybe discuss with the Debian maintainer
[18:39] <bobweaver> will do micahg
[18:40] <bobweaver> thanks all =)
[18:41] <bobweaver> or change code to use session installer to install the dependency's of the gtk part I am off to find maintainer thanks again
[18:45] <c_korn> hello, can someone please explain to me what the problem is here when packaging "the powder toy"? I never saw such an error before: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=0VnBac3Z (building in a schroot of precise/i386)
[18:50] <bobweaver> Is that a naming error ?  for lib ?
[18:51] <micahg> no, they're both symlinks to the actual binary
[18:53] <bobweaver> name of app is just powder ? I can not find anything called "the powder toy"
[18:54] <c_korn> it is precompiled. you can find it here: http://powdertoy.co.uk/
[19:04] <bobweaver> It compiled and is there running for me
[19:04] <bobweaver> are you sure that you added build-deps ?
[19:04] <bobweaver> from http://powdertoy.co.uk/Wiki/W/Compiling_for_Linux.html
[19:23] <obounaim> trying to build a source package for virtualbox using "bzr bd -- -S" fails "dpkg-source: info: building virtualbox using existing ./virtualbox_4.1.18-dfsg.orig.tar.xz
[19:23] <obounaim> unxz: (stdin): Unexpected end of input"
[19:28] <obounaim> any ideas?
[19:31] <micahg> bad file?
[19:36] <c_korn> bobweaver: I used the compiled binary. maybe I should compile it from source
[19:37] <bobweaver> c_korn,  are you trying to build package ? If so then Yeah I would say that you are going to have to install from source. (But I am new at all this get others options =) )
[19:44] <mfisch> Laney: I updated bug #1065637, I fixed the distroseries and deleted the patches
[19:51] <cjwatson> mfisch: you know that we already switched to 4.x for almost everything in 12.10, right?  seems odd to be putting much work into tiff3 at this point
[19:52] <mfisch> cjwatson: no, I didn't know that, if that's the case, then we can ignore tiff3
[19:52] <cjwatson> it's still there for the odd legacy thing, but probably best to do most ongoing maintenance if any in Debian
[19:53] <cjwatson> I think at least some of the cves were backported
[19:53] <micahg> there are still 2 handfuls of reverse dependencies on tiff3
[19:53] <micahg> or maybe 3 even
[19:53] <cjwatson> yeah, those were accidentally missed
[19:53] <cjwatson> only two packages red on the transition tracker though
[19:54] <cjwatson> I think there might have been one reverted due to regression, I forget
[19:54] <mfisch> the new upstream fixes incorporates 3 of the CVEs
[19:54] <mfisch> only 1 left ATM