[12:00] <tombs> hi ppl
[12:00] <black_13> how do i make the kernel module for unionfs
[12:01] <selinium> hi all, what is the command line for unzipping a .zip file?
[12:01] <black_13> unzip
[12:01] <kcidx> Can anyone help me downgrade to xserver-xorg-core to 6.8.2-5
[12:01] <selinium> black_13: Doh!
[12:01] <kcidx> Can anyone help me downgrade to xserver-xorg-core to 6.8.2-53
[12:01] <kcidx> sorry typo
[12:01] <black_13> dont sweat it
[12:01] <alm7100> Hi i am new at this and need som help to install at deb packet
[12:02] <da_puzzle> hello
[12:02] <Ebowles> how can I make it so I can modify the desktop without being root? Along with the cd/dvd drives?
[12:02] <alm7100> da_puzzle are you from dk??
[12:02] <da_puzzle> no
[12:02] <topyli> alm7100: newbies should not download any debs from around the Web. they should use the package manager :)
[12:03] <da_puzzle> does anyone know a good program like cpanel for ubuntu
[12:03] <da_puzzle> to do all that stuff
[12:03] <alm7100> iam trying to install skype?
[12:03] <ompaul> alm7100, one of the few exceptions
[12:03] <nicknamex219> 1F j00 C4N R34D TH1S j00 N33D t0 G3T L41D
[12:03] <NoUse> !skype
[12:03] <ubotu> [skype]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/, or deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[12:03] <Fr0Gs> i got this error when trying to upgrade to breezy
[12:03] <da_puzzle> !ircd
[12:03] <ubotu> da_puzzle: I don't know, could you explain it?
[12:03] <da_puzzle> !irc
[12:03] <ubotu> irc is, like, totally, Internet Relay Chat. It is a virtual network with servers allowing connections from clients where many people connect and chat with each other related to Linux or even sex.
[12:04] <lsuactiafner> !mplayer
[12:04] <ubotu> I guess mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto.  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[12:04] <ompaul> nicknamex219, N07 fUnY
[12:04] <ohphracku> 101 N1<kn@m3
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> !xmms
[12:04] <ubotu> Fr0Gs: I give up, what is it?
[12:04] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell dreamie about mplayer
[12:04] <da_puzzle> anyone know a good ircd
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> UnrealIRCD
[12:04] <da_puzzle> that i can install on my ubuntu box
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> Solahex
[12:04] <alm7100> thanks i trye to look at it
[12:04] <da_puzzle> that i can get service;s
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> wait SolaHex doesnt work
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> a
[12:04] <Fr0Gs> on ubuntu
[12:04] <Jazy84> is there any way to keep the machine from going into 'sleep mode' when you close the lid.
[12:05] <Ebowles> how can I make it so I can modify the desktop without being root? Along with the cd/dvd drives?
[12:05] <Fr0Gs> sudo commandhere
[12:05] <kcidx> Can anyone help me downgrade to xserver-xorg-core to 6.8.2-53   i'm using breezy and the current update breaks DRI
[12:06] <gigaclon> is there a way to make Ubuntu turn off my laptop panel when I close the latch
[12:06] <nalioth> Ebowles: what exactly are you wanting to modify?
[12:06] <Ebowles> nalioth, I can't just right click and Delete or Rename icons anymore
[12:06] <Ebowles> I can't put stuff on the desktop unless I do it through root terminal
[12:06] <Seveas> c0d3ster, 'sup?
[12:07] <c0d3ster> well with some help from BankB i might have gotten it figured out.. ill letchu know
[12:07] <gigaclon> maybe the desktop got moved?
[12:07] <Seveas> k :)
[12:07] <c0d3ster> BlankB*
[12:07] <Jazy84> when it trys to bring back up the wifi the machine will keep it from coming back up
[12:07] <nalioth> Ebowles: then the permissions for your desktop have gone wonky
[12:08] <Ebowles> nalioth yes, any ideas on how to fix it?
[12:08] <nalioth> Ebowles: and i'm not quite sure how to fix it
[12:08] <Ebowles> dang
[12:08] <nalioth> Ebowles: but now that folks can see your exact problem, i'm sure one of them knows
[12:08] <Jazy84> you wouldn't be able to just chmod the Desktop for the user?
[12:09] <nalioth> Ebowles: is it ONLY your desktop you can't write to?
[12:09] <Ebowles> nalioth, I also can't read cds or dvds unless I run the program from root
[12:10] <ompaul> Is there a general problem with OOo on hoary, or is my machine just being bolchie?
[12:10] <nalioth> Ebowles: optical discs are a whole other subject, are there any other files/folders you cant manipulate as a user?
[12:10] <Ebowles> no, thats it I think
[12:11] <nalioth> Ebowles: Jazy84 had a suggestion. perhaps he could elaborate for you
[12:11] <Jazy84> well i was just saying to change the premissions on the folder /home/user/Desktop
[12:11] <Jazy84> but..
[12:11] <Jazy84> i dunno
[12:11] <GuiCave> hi, i am from brazil and i cant configure my keyboard
[12:11] <Ebowles> I can't chmod it, it says its a directory
[12:12] <da_puzzle> anyone know where i can get cpanel
[12:12] <nalioth> Ebowles: you can chmod it
[12:12] <Jazy84> you should be able to
[12:12] <Jazy84> man chmod
[12:12] <da_puzzle> anyone know where lol
[12:12] <qt2> err, is there a reason that ubuntu is telling me i have to be superuser to mount?
[12:12] <dreamie> ok the mplayer thing isnt working
[12:12] <IcemanV9> Ebowles: you may need "sudo" to make it works
[12:12] <fanopnaic> qt2: yes, because it's true.
[12:12] <Seveas> da_puzzle, cpanel costs money
[12:12] <dreamie> mplayer doesnt even see that i have a dvd
[12:12] <nalioth> qt2: yes the reason is system security
[12:12] <da_puzzle> i know
[12:13] <ompaul> OOo took 2 minutes to open :(
[12:13] <Seveas> get it from the cpanel vendors
[12:13] <da_puzzle> well is there something like it free
[12:13] <Seveas> webmin comes closest
[12:13] <GuiCave> my keyboard is US layout .. but i can t configure cecedil ...
[12:13] <unvs_> is it common when installing x/gnome apps to not get the icon? just the default one?
[12:13] <Arsonide> Erm, how do I change file associations?
[12:13] <Arsonide> I hate mplayer.
[12:13] <qt2> nalioth, err, cd's used to mount themselves when i put them in though <.<;
[12:13] <qt2> nalioth, now they don't...
[12:13] <Seveas> da_puzzle, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount if you plan to try webmin
[12:14] <nalioth> unvs_: depends on the pkg instructions (sometimes it takes a logout/login for the icon to show)
[12:14] <nalioth> qt2: dunno about that
[12:14] <unvs_> nalioth: ah. thanks
[12:14] <da_puzzle> is webmin good
[12:14] <unvs_> nalioth: hard to get used to never having to reboot i guess :)
[12:15] <nalioth> unvs_: you'll get used to it, lol
[12:16] <qt2> damnit, i cant get this dvd to mount for the life of me.
[12:16] <deflux-> welp
[12:16] <deflux-> I can't get Xorg to work with the apple cinema display.
[12:16] <deflux-> That's a shame.
[12:16] <deflux-> I guess I won't be able to run ubuntu. :(
[12:16] <nalioth> deflux-: really?
[12:16] <CarlFK> qt2 - see what vobcopy does
[12:17] <deflux-> Yeah, I've determined the correct horiz and vert rates.
[12:17] <deflux-> And the optimum resolution.
[12:17] <CarlFK> qt2 -nm, that requires it to be mounted ... duh.
[12:17] <nalioth> deflux-: there are no refresh rates for a flat panel
[12:17] <deflux-> I know the system boots gnome, because the start sound plays.
[12:17] <qt2> aha, now it works. ;)
[12:17] <deflux-> nalioth: Tried without and with the standard 30.0-75, 59-60 specified by apple.
[12:18] <nalioth> deflux-: you have console only? or nothing at all?
[12:18] <deflux-> Console only.
[12:18] <deflux-> Disabled gdm starting on bootup so I can at least get into the system.
[12:18] <nalioth> deflux-: for now try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose the VESA driver
[12:18] <deflux-> one tick
[12:19] <qt2> yeah, there's defintly something wrong with permissions in my /etc directory...
[12:19] <qt2> everything has a permission of 0755 <.<;
[12:19] <deflux-> nalioth, is vga appropriate?  vesa is not an option.
[12:19] <Xanthus7> I want to save my alsa conf  what is the command I thought it was alsactl save
[12:19] <CookedGryphon> hey, i'm having trouble installing the cvs version of aMSN
[12:20] <CookedGryphon> it comes up with      Error in startup script: can't use empty string as operand of "|"
[12:20] <CookedGryphon> then prints a section of the script
[12:20] <deflux-> I wonder if framebuffer is part of the problem.
[12:20] <da_puzzle> Seveas, do you know a tut to downloading and installing webmin i am root
[12:20] <nalioth> deflux-: VESA will be in the "driver" section
[12:20] <da_puzzle> !webmin
[12:20] <ubotu> To use webmin with ubuntu you have to add a webmin-root account with : /usr/share/webmin/changepass.pl /etc/webmin root "password", or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebminWithoutARootAccount
[12:22] <da_puzzle> anyone know
[12:23] <deflux-> nalioth: It wasn't.  o,o  I'll check again.
[12:23] <nalioth> deflux-: you are using hoary, right?
[12:23] <LasseL> is it safe enough to do a dist-upgrade as synaptic constantly suggests me to do?
[12:23] <LasseL> "Smart upgrade"
[12:23] <qt2> damnit, how do i mount a blank dvd as writable?
[12:24] <deflux-> nalioth: Yes.
[12:24] <CarlFK> qt2 - I don't think you can
[12:25] <nalioth> deflux-: hmmm, VESA should be in there with ati, nvidia, s3, and the other drivers
[12:25] <Xanthus7> I just reconfigured my alsamixer for audigy2 sound card and I need to save that what is the command please
[12:25] <deflux-> nope
[12:25] <deflux-> only v is vga.
[12:25] <qt2> CarlFK, ok, then how do i burn to it?
[12:25] <Ebowles> I don't understand this chmod stuff
[12:25] <kent> Is any one here using breezy having problems with rhythmbox?
[12:25] <CarlFK> qt2 - I use growisofs.  i hear kb3 will
[12:25] <CookedGryphon> does anyone have any ideas about my aMSN?
[12:26] <deflux-> I can try and put vesa directly into my xorg.conf
[12:26] <nalioth> deflux-: i think you're not getting far enough along in the sequence
[12:26] <qt2> CarlFK, any gui cd burner SHOULD work, shouldnt it?
[12:26] <CarlFK> qt2 - are you trying to burn data or DVD movie
[12:26] <deflux-> nope
[12:26] <CarlFK> what else is there?
[12:26] <deflux-> Get a message that vesa module does not exist
[12:26] <CarlFK> oh.. qt2 <> deflux- ;)
[12:26] <deflux-> nalioth: I'm at the list with all the drivers, ati, s3virge, s3, nv, etc.
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: yer sh****g me
[12:27] <deflux-> nalioth: I do no such thing.  :)
[12:27] <deflux-> I can list them out if you wish.
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: now i'm really puzzled
[12:27] <CarlFK> qt2 - I don't think so.  there is cdrecord and dvdrecord, or a cdrecord that is patched for DVD's...
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: VESA is standard in all distros
[12:27] <deflux-> nalioth: Oh...this might help.  lol
[12:27] <deflux-> I'm on powerpc.
[12:27] <deflux-> ;)
[12:27] <Seveas> !test
[12:27] <ubotu> Crashed.
[12:27] <nalioth> deflux-: i know, you mentioned the apple cinema display
[12:27] <Seveas> ubotu, thanks :)
[12:27] <ubotu> Seveas: graag gedaan
[12:28] <deflux-> Ah, could be using it on a x86 platform.  But yeah, on powerpc.  Vesa's not here.  I wonder if I can bring it down to a different resolution.
[12:28] <nalioth> deflux-: but that makes no difference, i'm on a new dual-proc powermac, and i've got VESA available
[12:28] <Xanthus7> Help please
[12:28] <nalioth> strange
[12:28] <deflux-> nalioth: Switching the driver to "vesa" in xorg states that the module isn't available.
[12:29] <nalioth> deflux-: wow
[12:29] <deflux-> heh
[12:29] <brk3> in the installer when i try to specify a new size for my partition and press enter it just does nothing and goes back to the main screen.. anyone know whats uop?
[12:29] <Xanthus7> How do I save my ALSACTL
[12:29] <deflux-> I've gotten farther with ubuntu than any other linux distro.
[12:29] <qt2> CarlFK, data.
[12:29] <deflux-> I'd use FreeBSD, but their ppc port just plain stinks.
[12:29] <nalioth> deflux-: for now i guess you can play with the resolution
[12:29] <Seveas> alsactl store
[12:29] <Seveas> (or save)
[12:29] <Xanthus7> TY
[12:30] <Ebowles> whats the command to check out how much hdd space I have?
[12:31] <CookedGryphon> Does anybody know when the repositories are gonna be fixed? I'm trying to get wine, and it won't work, there's loads of them broken, and some that aren't up to date, i really really like ubuntu, but if they don't sort the repositories i'm seriously considering changing distro
[12:31] <deflux-> what part in the xorg.conf dictates to use the linux framebuffer device?
[12:32] <wildchild87> hi
[12:32] <nalioth> Ebowles: use apt to install "discus" it is a human friendly console app to tell you that info
[12:32] <apokryphos> Ebowles: df
[12:32] <CarlFK> Ebowles - df
[12:32] <CarlFK> bam
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Ebowles: df -h <-- human readable
[12:33] <deflux-> augh
[12:33] <apokryphos> or for a pretty way of doing it: filelight
[12:33] <deflux-> this is driving me nuts!
[12:34] <CookedGryphon> can anyone hyear me?
[12:34] <wildchild87> can anybody help with my inet connection?
[12:34] <nalioth> deflux-: what kind of mac are you running?
[12:34] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: the factoid for filelight deleted too :|
[12:34] <deflux-> it's a mac mini
[12:34] <omega> deflux-: you think you're going nuts?  I've been chasing what now seems to be a DPMS-related crash for over 2 weeks
[12:34] <nalioth> deflux-: smokin new
[12:34] <nalioth> deflux-: which may be some part of the problem
[12:34] <apokryphos> !unforget filelight
[12:35] <ubotu> apokryphos: Successfully recovered 'filelight'.  Have fun now.
[12:35] <deflux-> nalioth: heh.  I wouldn't think it'd be this darn difficult, but this is my first ppc platform.
[12:35] <Bad_Magic> can anyone walk me through automatically mounting my ntfs partition as read only when ubuntu loads? id really appreciate it
[12:35] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: :(
[12:35] <thoreauputic> !mountwindows
[12:35] <ubotu> from memory, mountwindows is Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partions mount automatically
[12:35] <nalioth> deflux-: well, ppc and amd64 lags behind x86 in developement
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Bad_Magic: ^^^
[12:35] <deflux-> nalioth: Do you know off hand what the kernel switch was for the install to not use framebuffer video?
[12:36] <nalioth> deflux-: and the mini (and the new  imac G5) are still new enough not to have total linux support
[12:36] <nalioth> deflux-: sorry, idk
[12:36] <dreamie> anyone has a solution for my dvd player problem?
[12:36] <deflux-> hrm
[12:39] <Bad_Magic> any way for me to run that remotely without having to cut and paste it into a file? (uber noob here)
[12:41] <ubuntuuser56> hi could somone help me, im looking to install k otrrent using the following guide: http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/index.php?page=downloads
[12:42] <ubuntuuser56> anyone?
[12:42] <stoeptegel>  i'am having problems with reading acces in some partitions, it give me: mount: could not find /dev/sbd5 in /etc/fstab/ or /etc/mtab.  Could someone give me a hint?
[12:43] <ubuntuuser56> all problems, no answers!
[12:43] <CarlFK> stoeptegel mount something somwhere
[12:43] <thoreauputic> Bad_Magic:  why not right-click, save page as ...
[12:43] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: there's a repository with KTorrent
[12:43] <ksmurf> any fix for nvidia glx and breezy?  The binary driver causes issues with gedit and rythumbox.... among other things
[12:43] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: as the guide suggests
[12:43] <ubuntuuser56> i have to add
[12:43] <cevizoglu> how do I invert my entire screen's UI?  i.e. all white pixels are black, all black are white, blue are orange, orange are blue, etc.
[12:43] <ubuntuuser56> and am having problems :p
[12:44] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: like what?
[12:44] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: sounds like a usb drive or something?
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> add repositores :P
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> synaptic or manually?
[12:44] <kent> stoeptegel, what command are you using? (and should it not be /dev/sdb and not /dev/sbd ?)
[12:44] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: manually is easier, IMO
[12:44] <MaxKyoto> hey guys... has anyone used xosd (osd_cat in particular) with ubuntu hoary?
[12:44] <brk3> whats the easiest way to create a partition
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> yes is there a certian
[12:44] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: in Terminal: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:44] <ubuntuuser56> way i have to do it
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> i.e. with spaces between each one
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> or what not
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> or jsut plop them down anywhere :D
[12:45] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: on a new line just add exactly: deb http://dinton.no-ip.org/ kubuntu main
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> right
[12:45] <ubuntuuser56> and on the line directly under it add the next one?
[12:46] <apokryphos> yes, but you don't really have to
[12:46] <stoeptegel> CarlFX: give me the same error en add: check if the disk is put in correctly (dutch -> english translation)
[12:46] <bob2> Seveas: unless we're currently under heavy attack, that redirect to #ubuntu-unregged thing is highly obnoxious
[12:46] <ubuntuuser56> ahh ok
[12:46] <apokryphos> unless you plan on getting the deb source
[12:46] <Bad_Magic> so uh, how exactly do i run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab after i have it saved locally?
[12:46] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: no sata disks
[12:46] <ubuntuuser56> thanks for your hrlp!
[12:46] <apokryphos> bob2: slightly annoying since it doesn't let you change nick
[12:46] <stoeptegel> kent: i use the gui in kde
[12:46] <alm7100> Hi thanks for the help about skype now its works
[12:46] <apokryphos> ubuntuuser56: then just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[12:47] <ubuntuuser56> excellent thanks once again
[12:47] <Seveas> bob2, well, we're under heavy attack
[12:47] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: were they added since you installed ubuntu, or during setup
[12:47] <gigaclon> Seveas, trolls?
[12:48] <kent> stoeptegel, I dont use kde. What are you doing, running some kind of program which mounts the device for you? becaus, as I said - though im no expert-, it seems like it should be /dev/sdb and not /dev/sbd.  /dev/sdX is for scsi-devices (which usb-devices turns up like..)
[12:48] <Seveas> bob2, i'd be the first to remove the forward if the spambots are gone
[12:48] <nalioth> bob2: been this way for a couple days now - freenode wide (at least on the big channels)
[12:48] <MaxKyoto> does anyone know of any good scriptable osd apps?
[12:48] <stoeptegel> fluvvel: during setup
[12:48] <Seveas> but currently we have no choice
[12:48] <ksmurf> I have the binary nvidia driver installed on breezy and sudo gedit won't load..... there is no issue with gedit.  Any Ideas?
[12:48] <nalioth> gigaclon: pR0nbots advertising
[12:48] <crimsun> ksmurf: gksudo gedit ?
[12:48] <bob2> nalioth: yes, I know, I've been banning several bots an hour in #debian
[12:48] <bob2> until I gave up
[12:48] <Ng> MaxKyoto: there's xosd
[12:48] <bob2> Seveas: at this second?
[12:49] <ksmurf> sudo gedit.... or gksudo gedit
[12:49] <Seveas> bob2, yes
[12:49] <Seveas> join the unregged channel
[12:49] <alm7100> now i just need at program to cominicate with msn users so i can delete windows any ideas
[12:49] <bob2> I did
[12:49] <Seveas> (have /umode +CE if you do)
[12:49] <ksmurf> neither work with breezy and the nvidia driver
[12:49] <MaxKyoto> ng: that's my top choice, but i'm having trouble changing the font
[12:49] <Seveas> you'll see them join-parting all the time
[12:49] <Seveas> --> hasin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-unregged
[12:49] <Seveas> <-- hasin<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-unregged
[12:49] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: can you mount the drive manually?
[12:49] <CookedGryphon> alm7100, Gaim
[12:49] <crimsun> ksmurf: seems to work fine here
[12:50] <MaxKyoto> ng: everything i try doesn't work
[12:50] <Seveas> alm7100, applications -> internet -> gaim
[12:50] <ksmurf> crimsun what kernel?
[12:50] <crimsun> ksmurf: current breezy
[12:50] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: eg mount /dev/sdb5 /media/spare  (or some other empty folder)
[12:50] <stoeptegel> kent: my root partition (accessible) sda5 indeed, you are right, sry
[12:50] <alm7100> Seveas << And just connect with my msn user and password?
[12:50] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: trying...
[12:51] <Seveas> alm7100, yup
[12:51] <Bad_Magic> alm7100: yup
[12:51] <bob2> MaxKyoto: trouble = ?
[12:51] <Bad_Magic> heh
[12:51] <alm7100> Seveas << Thank
[12:51] <ksmurf> would it make a differnece that I'm running a smp?  This is the fifth install And the problem keeps repeating once I install the nvidia driver from nvidia
[12:51] <bob2> ksmurf: if the drivers in breezy don't work, please file a bug
[12:52] <bob2> if the ones from nvidia.com don't work, please tell them
[12:52] <Bad_Magic> is there a gui frontend for apt-get?
[12:52] <apokryphos> Bad_Magic: Synaptic, Kynaptic, Adept
[12:52] <CookedGryphon> Bad_Magic, aptitude or synaptic
[12:52] <MaxKyoto> bob2: i try fonts like "snap" "-*-snap-*-yadda-yadda" and "Myriad Pro:style=bold", nothing works... it just says "requested font cannot be found"
[12:52] <apokryphos> ..Kpackage
[12:52] <Bad_Magic> synaptic it is
[12:52] <Bad_Magic> =P
[12:53] <TylerE> MaxKyoto: what app?
[12:53] <ksmurf> bob2 that's not the issue bob2....  The drivers break gedit with the kernal.... and the glx ones in the repository I can'
[12:53] <Ng> MaxKyoto: I just installed xosd-bin and did this: echo hello | osd_cat -p top -A left -f "-bitstream-bitstream vera sans-*-*-*-*-*-800-*-*-*-*-*-*"
[12:53] <bob2> MaxKyoto: and can it be found? ie does xlsfonts or xfontsel list it?
[12:53] <alm7100> Seveas << And how do i get the list of my chat frinds?
[12:53] <Ng> MaxKyoto: (I have bitstream vera installed as a ttf) and it worked as expected
[12:53] <ksmurf> not get working ( the way I use to install them anyway)
[12:53] <MaxKyoto> tylere: xosd (osd_cat)
[12:53] <bob2> MaxKyoto: xosd uses X core fonts, so you'll probably need to use "xset" to add the right dir to your X font path
[12:54] <reiki> for those of you who use Opera...
[12:54] <MaxKyoto> bob2: yeah, i use them in other stuff
[12:54] <reiki> Go to  http://my.opera.com/community/party/reg.dml  before 12am tommorow
[12:54] <reiki> (8/31) and get opera registration code for FREE!  happy 10year anniversary!
[12:54] <Seveas> alm7100, msn stores those on the server, so you should get it as soon as you login
[12:54] <unvs_> i hope they publish stats for that opera page tomorrow.
[12:54] <MaxKyoto> bob2: wouldn't that already be done with the standard xfonts in ubuntu?
[12:54] <Ng> MaxKyoto: it ought to be
[12:54] <alm7100> Seveas << Nope its not getting it?
[12:55] <Ng> xfontsel shows plenty of fonts here
[12:55] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: when i open the mounted map i get:  could not open /media/spare
[12:55] <bob2> MaxKyoto: probably not, very few things use X core fonts anymore.  use xfontsel or xlsfonts to see if they're listed or not
[12:55] <MaxKyoto> ng: same here
[12:55] <alm7100> Seveas << Sorry none of them is online :-)
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> !info rar
[12:55] <ubotu> rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.30-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 488 kB
[12:55] <MaxKyoto> bob2: they're listed
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> !info unrar
[12:55] <ubotu> unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1:0.0.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
[12:55] <Ng> MaxKyoto: use it to build a font string that definitely exists for your machine (preferably also one you know is ttf) and then jack the size up like in mine
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> :)
[12:55] <Concord_Dawn> <3
[12:55] <Ng> MaxKyoto: or have you tried that already? ;)
[12:55] <bob2> MaxKyoto: copying and pasting the fontspec from xfontsel to xosd doesn't work?
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> ng: i've tried that
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> bob2: exactly
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> ng: yes
[12:56] <stoeptegel> fluvell: and the whole /mnt directory is empty :-s
[12:56] <NeoFax> How do I set 1.5.0 java as the default instead of 1.4.2?
[12:56] <Ng> MaxKyoto: does it just die? If I specify a non-existant font it aborts
[12:56] <bob2> NeoFax: same way you installed 1.4.2
[12:56] <MaxKyoto> ng: yes, it aborts
[12:56] <Bad_Magic> and, (sorry to be a complete pain) but someone pasted a link in here for fixing radeon cards under ubuntu so you actually get 3d acceleration, and i saved it on my windows partition =x
[12:57] <Bad_Magic> anyone have that handy?
[12:57] <Ng> MaxKyoto: does -f "fixed" work?
[12:57] <TylerE> Bad_Magic: Err, don't bother.
[12:57] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:57] <bob2> and it's not "fixing"
[12:57] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: you need to create the directory first.  Where did you want to have it mounted anyway?
[12:57] <NeoFax> bob2: I have 1.4.2 and 1.5.0 both installed.   FAR worse than either the ATI windows, or nvidia linux drivers
[12:57] <MaxKyoto> ng: nope, and that's supposed to be the default font for xosd, right?
[12:57] <Ng> MaxKyoto: that's the font X won't even start without ;)
[12:58] <Bad_Magic> well, at least my screen is running in native
[12:58] <MaxKyoto> neofax: try $JAVA_HOME
[12:58] <LasseL> how can I restart a setup program that was launched by apt-get
[12:58] <bob2> NeoFax: whatever you configured, or whatever wht you installed configured; there's no single way to install java
[12:58] <bob2> LasseL: depends on what it was
[12:58] <LasseL> mldonkey-server
[12:58] <bob2> often 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename'
[12:58] <TylerE> Bad_Magic: Sorry. That's just the way it is. If you want decent video in linux, run nvidia.
[12:58] <bob2> MaxKyoto: | wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:58] <stoeptegel> fluvell: in media, i assumed that was the new kde thing instead of /mnt
[12:58] <bob2> I've been quite happy with my radeon under linux
[12:58] <Bad_Magic> its a laptop, lifes a bitch I suppose
[12:59] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: in /media
[12:59] <Bad_Magic> windows is for gaming anyway
[12:59] <Ng> MaxKyoto: what's the exact error you get out of interest?
[12:59] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: yeah, but you'll need a folder underneath media
[12:59] <Bad_Magic> this is for dev and school programming
[12:59] <TylerE> bob2: How much 3D have you done with it? When I had a radeon 9600 in this machine, performance was HORRIBLE
[12:59] <LasseL> bob2, but I quit the setup wizard before it installed, so now it seems like it is half installed :(
[12:59] <bob2> LasseL: "quite"?
[12:59] <stoeptegel> fluvell: now i'm officially lost
[12:59] <MaxKyoto> ng: ABORT: Requested font not found
[01:00] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: fair enough, is the partition blank, or is there something on it already?
[01:00] <funkyHat> stoeptegel, like /media/cdrom
[01:00] <LasseL> bob2, huh?
[01:00] <bob2> LasseL: how did you quit it?
[01:00] <LasseL> ctrl+c
[01:00] <robertj> heya all. I dpkg-reconfigured my kernel and usplash still is not making an appearance, do I need to do something else?
[01:01] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: it's full with stuff
[01:01] <Ng> MaxKyoto: that's very strange
[01:02] <MaxKyoto> ng: give me an example of how you call osd_cat... i'm like 99% sure i'm doing it right, but at this point, who knows
[01:02] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: well, mkdir /media/stuff    then mount it with         mount /dev/sdb5 /media/stuff
[01:02] <Ng> MaxKyoto: I pasted one a page or two up
[01:02] <LasseL> bob2, got it :) had to install it then run reconfigure
[01:02] <Ng> about 9 minutes ago
[01:03] <Bad_Magic> alright, this is going to truly reveal my ineptness at anything *nix, but how in the world do I run a script in su terminal?
[01:04] <bob2> you don't
[01:04] <MaxKyoto> ng: ok, i'm mad now... i just pasted your command and it worked (???)
[01:04] <MaxKyoto> ng: wtf?
[01:04] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: same could not open /media/stuff
[01:04] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/binaryDriverHowto, and you use sudo in a regular terminal
[01:04] <Ng> MaxKyoto: give me an example of one that didn't work
[01:04] <stoeptegel> fluvvel: (i did umount it)
[01:04] <NeoFax> Where does ubuntu put its rc.local or /etc/modules.conf files?
[01:05] <Ng> NeoFax: there's no rc.local by default and /etc/modprobe.d/local
[01:05] <MaxKyoto> ng: echo TEST | /usr/bin/osd_cat --font="artwiz-snap-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-90-iso646.1991-irv"
[01:06] <MaxKyoto> ng: i pulled that font str from xlsfonts
[01:06] <Ng> NeoFax: (the other files in modprobe.d are read too, but they are from packages and so changing/adding to them is worth avoiding if possible)
[01:06] <CookedGryphon> Bad_Magic, can anybody help me set up aMSN?
[01:06] <bob2> NeoFax: what are you trying to do?
[01:06] <CookedGryphon> oops sry the badmagic was unintentional
[01:06] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: the rights are far less then other drives though
[01:06] <CookedGryphon> musta pressed tab
[01:06] <Bad_Magic> no problem
[01:06] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:07] <NeoFax> I do not want my acx111 card started at bootup.
[01:07] <NeoFax> I want the ndiswrapper drivers to start with wpa_supplicant
[01:07] <Ng> MaxKyoto: yup, that aborts here too. maybe it just can't support whatever kind of font artwiz is?
[01:08] <MaxKyoto> ng: strange... at least you gave me something that works, i can build off that
[01:08] <bob2> so, hook it into however you start wpa_supplicant
[01:08] <bob2> and blacklist the module to begin with
[01:09] <MaxKyoto> ng: have you used debian much?
[01:09] <Ng> MaxKyoto: for a few years
[01:11] <MaxKyoto> ng: i use slackware on all my servers, but i gave ubuntu a try b/c i wanted something that would be quick and painless to setup, but I'm curious whether debian offers a minimal amount of pain minus all the noob stuff
[01:11] <NeoFax> How do you blacklist the module?
[01:11] <stoeptegel> fluvvell: i got it working now, thank you! :)   Is there a way to automount one or more partition from boot?
[01:11] <MaxKyoto> ng: particularly what draws my interest is apt, i'm loving that
[01:12] <funkyHat> stoeptegel, yes, the file /etc/fstab
[01:12] <bob2> NeoFax: /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:12] <funkyHat> stoeptegel, sudo gedit /etc/fstab to edit it
[01:12] <fluvvell> stoeptegel: you can edit the fstab to mount the partition on boot
[01:13] <fluvvell> sry
[01:13] <NeoFax> bob2: Thanks!
[01:14] <Ng> MaxKyoto: I think Ubuntu is much nicer for desktop use and at some point I'm going to move my debian file server to it too.
[01:14] <stoeptegel> thanks guys, so helpfull! i'll do it with this... have a good night/day all! Thanks again :)
[01:15] <Ng> MaxKyoto: it's like Debian but with less beard. There's not really all that much "noob" stuff and you can feel free to ignore all the graphical tools and do everything by hand if you want :)
[01:15] <da_puzzle> hello
[01:15] <fluvvell> Hey ppl, whats up with mounting a floppy (preformatted msdos) Says, mount: could not determine filesystems type, and none was specified.  Yet it mounts manually just fine, and adding vfat and msdos to the file /etc/filesystems makes no difference
[01:15] <da_puzzle> does anyone know how to install webmin on ubuntu
[01:16] <MaxKyoto> Ng: one thing that annoys me (maybe you've found a way around this) is that none of my ~/.Xsession files work in ubuntu
[01:16] <bob2> presumably fstab is wrong
[01:16] <Ng> da_puzzle: enable the universe repository and use apt-get or synaptic
[01:16] <da_puzzle> what do i type
[01:16] <da_puzzle> apt-get webmin
[01:16] <bob2> MaxKyoto: sure they do
[01:17] <Ng> da_puzzle: you'd be better off using synaptic and searching for webmin, there are lots of modules to chosoe from
[01:17] <bob2> MaxKyoto: use startx
[01:17] <Ng> MaxKyoto: sec, lemmie just check ;)
[01:17] <da_puzzle> ng may i pm u
[01:17] <MaxKyoto> bob2: I would prefer to keep gdm running b/c my wife is scared of the command line ;)
[01:18] <fluvvell> is floppy mounting a gnome problem?
[01:18] <bob2> then your .xsession will be ignored, since you've told gdm to let gnome-session set things up instead
[01:18] <bob2> fluvvell: no
[01:18] <MaxKyoto> bob2: i could barely get her to try kde or gnome
[01:18] <bob2> fluvvell: paste your /etc/fstab to #flood
[01:18] <nalioth> MaxKyoto: you can run gnome under kdm
[01:18] <MaxKyoto> bob2: well, it's a little more complicated than that.. i'm actually using blackbox (installed via apt)
[01:19] <mrchebas> where is the best place to discuss things related to the GNU tar utility?
[01:19] <MaxKyoto> i can hack a session script together to read a file from my ~, but i was wondering if there was a more "standard" way of doing it
[01:19] <MaxKyoto> bob2: i can hack a session script together to read a file from my ~, but i was wondering if there was a more "standard" way of doing it
[01:20] <Seveas> (had warned him before about obnoxous scripts)
[01:20] <bob2> mrchebas: depends what you're trying to do; asking here is a good start
[01:20] <bob2> MaxKyoto: the standard way is to use the "Debian" gdm session script, but I'm not sure if that's in ubuntu anymore
[01:20] <fluvvell> sure bob
[01:20] <cafuego_> nalioth: We had our "hfs+ fs broken lots under Linux" issue yesterday.
[01:20] <Bad_Magic> anyone happen to know the package for beep?
[01:21] <cafuego_> babeep-media-player
[01:21] <nalioth> cafuego_: under breezy?
[01:21] <apokryphos> Seveas: noticed minor typo, on your windowsdrives script: s/Tou/You/
[01:21] <MaxKyoto> bob2: is that the one in /usr/share/xsessions (or whatever)?
[01:21] <bob2> MaxKyoto: I think so
[01:21] <mrchebas> i want to know how does gnu tar handle name coversion for files in different encodings (utf8,latin1)
[01:21] <cafuego_> nalioth: Nah, hoary (with 2.6.13-rcX kernel)
[01:21] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: beep-media-player
[01:21] <mrchebas> suppose i tar a directory when LANG mentions encoding latin1
[01:21] <nalioth> cafuego_: really? wonder how that got in there
[01:21] <Seveas> apokryphos, fixed, thx!
[01:21] <Ng> MaxKyoto: you could add the commands to the manual gnome session editor
[01:21] <MaxKyoto> bob2: ok, i guess that's what i'll stick with for now
[01:21] <apokryphos> np ;-)
[01:21] <fluvvell> bob2:done
[01:21] <mrchebas> and i send the tar file to a friend using UTF8
[01:21] <cafuego_> nalioth: probably just the hfs+ driver
[01:21] <Bad_Magic> hmm, its not in synaptic?
[01:22] <cafuego_> !info beep-media-player
[01:22] <nalioth> cafuego_: i havent had any trouble (knocks on wood)
[01:22] <ubotu> beep-media-player: (Versatile audio player that supports Winamp skins), section universe/sound, is optional. Version: 0.9.7-1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 893 kB, Installed size: 3712 kB
[01:22] <bob2> fluvvell: and if you replace auto with vfat, it still doesn't work
[01:22] <fluvvell> bob2:its pretty standard, I read online that there is a daemon that modifies it
[01:22] <walde> I am searching for a way to wipe the free space of a filesystem. I havent a tool that supports this function. My idea is know to create a file with dd upto all space is used and use the tool "wipe" then. Is there another or easier way
[01:22] <cafuego_> nalioth: I needed to (eventually) Install Tiger on a firefire disk, find DiskWarrior and rebuild the built-in disk overnight.
[01:22] <bob2> mrchebas: why would it care about the encoding at all?
[01:22] <MaxKyoto> ng | bob2: do you use volume control on your keyboards?
[01:22] <bob2> fluvvell: not in ubuntu there isn't
[01:22] <bob2> MaxKyoto: used to
[01:23] <fluvvell> bob2:err, brb
[01:23] <MaxKyoto> bob2: in gnome?
[01:23] <nalioth> cafuego_: i routinely run discwarrior on my macs
[01:23] <Ng> MaxKyoto: yes
[01:23] <BockBilbo> Seveas, how can i modify a page in the ubuntu wiki?
[01:23] <mrchebas> bob2: if it didn't, it would mean that the tar files have to be used in systems with the same encoding?
[01:23] <BockBilbo> the ooo2.0 beta installation script wiki page is obsolete
[01:23] <mrchebas> bob2: i am asking because i think i noticed smart behavior on the part of tar
[01:23] <bob2> MaxKyoto: yes
[01:23] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Well, it's a wiki, fix it.
[01:24] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Create an account, then edit the page.
[01:24] <MaxKyoto> ng | bob2: whenever i mute (via keyboard), wait a few seconds, and unmute, the volume level doesn't return... i have to pound the vol+ key
[01:24] <bob2> mrchebas: why would tar care?  it just gets a string of bytes for the filename, puts it in the tar file and dumps it out on the other side; it's up to your apps to decide how to interprete it
[01:24] <bob2> I'd think
[01:25] <Bad_Magic> figured it out, didnt have universe selected in synaptic
[01:25] <Bad_Magic> thanks!
[01:25] <Ng> MaxKyoto: not come across that, sorry
[01:25] <Ng> MaxKyoto: tried googling? ;)
[01:25] <MaxKyoto> ng: till my fingers fell off :)
[01:25] <mrchebas> bob2: that is what i would expect indeed. I was looking for an authoritative answer, since my experiments confused me.
[01:26] <Ng> hehe
[01:26] <bob2> mrchebas: I guess the tar mailing list then; savannah.gnu.org/projects/tar should linke you to it
[01:26] <bob2> MaxKyoto: I'd just file a bug then
[01:26] <MaxKyoto> ng: so your mute/unmute works fine?... oddly enough, it works ok in kde, just not gnome :-S
[01:26] <Ng> MaxKyoto: yep
[01:27] <Bad_Magic> hmm, im getting errors when i try to open files on my ntfs partition with BMP, any suggestions?
[01:27] <cafuego_> Don't use NTFS
[01:27] <mrchebas> bob2: thank you
[01:27] <MaxKyoto> bob2 | ng: is there any way to change the commands that are executed by gnome's keylistener?
[01:27] <Bad_Magic> its a windows partition
[01:27] <Bad_Magic> with my music on it
[01:27] <CookedGryphon> I hope ure happy now, i'm off to reboot in windows cos no1 could help me set up webcam support in msn
[01:28] <MaxKyoto> ntfs.... eeeeek!
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> sorry linux doesnt support gaming for shit
[01:28] <bob2> Bad_Magic: "errors" is too vague
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> =x
[01:28] <cafuego_> Then you'll get errors (or warnings) about charsets every now and then.
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> Unable to play files
[01:28] <bob2> CookedGryphon: yes, we were all hoping you wouldn't get it working!
[01:28] <MaxKyoto> bad_magic: tell that to transgaming and id games
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> hey, if they make them I will come
[01:28] <narg> Java is in haory extras, but is there a package or somesuch somewhere that lets browsers use it? (firefox, konq, etc)
[01:28] <CookedGryphon> bob2, that's jsut nasty
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> until then ill use my free copy of windows
[01:28] <cafuego_> Linus doesn't pay EA Games enough to make them port stuff. Linus is a bastard!
[01:28] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:29] <BockBilbo> cafuego, ive created an acount in launchpad, but cannot log in in the ubuntu wiki
[01:29] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: If you keep using your free copy of windows, they have no incentive to port games to Linux.
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> yell at ati about drivers, i already have
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> =x
[01:29] <cafuego_> Nobody forced you to buy ati <heh>
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> dell did
[01:29] <Bad_Magic> heh
[01:30] <Bad_Magic> its a laptop, sue me =\
[01:30] <cafuego_> Lots of inferior dell products come with nvidia chips too
[01:30] <Bad_Magic> not the inspiron 9100
[01:30] <Bad_Magic> when i bought it
[01:30] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Using the right username? When I created an account, it postfixed my chosen username with -ubuntu.
[01:30] <bob2> that's whack
[01:31] <cafuego_> Again, nobody forced you to buy an inspiron 9100
[01:31] <MaxKyoto> guys.. it's been fun... thans Ng and bob2! big help!
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> yea, well desktop replacement, as a gift
[01:31] <kemik> !tell narg about java
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> cant argue
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:31] <cafuego_> If it sucks, give it back.
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> welp, off to tinker with wireless
[01:31] <kemik> narg:  following that will "enable" java in your browser
[01:31] <synap> heya, question here, when I do cvs commit ., I get nano as the changelog editor, how can I change this to vim ?
[01:31] <bob2> synap: export EDITOR=vim
[01:31] <cafuego_> synap: export EDITOR=vim
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> yea sure, ill be sure to hand back a $2600 laptop that cant be returned
[01:31] <Bad_Magic> sure
[01:32] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: That's still YOUR decision, not someone else's.
[01:32] <Bad_Magic> this is true
[01:32] <bob2> hah
[01:32] <bob2> the dell x1's are nice
[01:32] <bob2> but feel a little flimsy
[01:32] <pef> bye !
[01:32] <Bad_Magic> free $2600 and no gaming on linux, or nothing
[01:32] <Bad_Magic> hmm
[01:32] <dducko> I only wanna no what took me so long to find Ubuntu.. this is great..
[01:32] <cafuego_> nothing Dell makes is nice
[01:32] <synap> ty
[01:32] <syn-ack> cafuego: agreed
[01:32] <CarlFK> I can't imagin a $2600 laptop being "too slow"
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> its not
[01:33] <syn-ack> I cant stand anything they make.
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> 2.8 p4 radeon 9700 mobility gig of ram
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> etc etc
[01:33] <Seveas> bob2, cafuegu: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[01:33] <Seveas> ;)
[01:33] <CarlFK> so what's the problem?
[01:33] <cafuego_> Seveas: Bah
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> we are talking about drivers
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> its a radeon
[01:33] <Bad_Magic> =P
[01:33] <BockBilbo> cafuego_, the user name is the one in launchpad, right?
[01:33] <Seveas> later!
[01:33] <CarlFK> ah, just talk.  I thought there was a problem
[01:33] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Yep.
[01:33] <bob2> $EDITOR is way more useful to set than editor or sensible-editor
[01:33] <syn-ack> Bad_Magic: ok, and you're the one that didnt do your homework to see that they dont make a mobile driver
[01:34] <BockBilbo> ok
[01:34] <syn-ack> so the only one you have to blame is you
[01:34] <Bad_Magic> well, it started as a BMP spits errors when i try to get it to load mp3s from my ntfs partition
[01:34] <kemik> Bad_Magic:  you got it all backwars; Game developers dont support Linux for shit
[01:34] <cafuego_> syn-ack: I been saying that for the past 5 mins, against increasing excuses... ;-)
[01:34] <syn-ack> The ATI 2d drivers are nice though
[01:34] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: Can you access that partition via a shell?
[01:34] <Bad_Magic> id say... nobody supports linux for shit because it holds next to nothing in the desktop market (compared to M$)
[01:34] <Bad_Magic> yes
[01:34] <syn-ack> cafuego: heh, I figured as much
[01:34] <kemik> syn-ack:  2d :/ heh.. those *Better* be good
[01:35] <Seveas> Bad_Magic: To make xmms or beep-media-player actually play things, change the audio output plugin to eSound
[01:35] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: Can you copy one of the mp3's to /tmp without problems?
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> let me check
[01:35] <BockBilbo> by the way, i need one sec help to finish the updated script for getting ooo2.0 beta 2
[01:35] <BockBilbo> cafuego, do you know bash shell scripting?
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> hmm
[01:35] <SymGeosis> Anybody have any idea how to fix this error in Totem-gstreamer? "no url handler for dvd://"
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> could be a codec thing
[01:35] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: a bit
[01:35] <Bad_Magic> m4a = ?
[01:36] <SymGeosis> Dvd's worked before I recently did a clean install on my new laptop.
[01:36] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: copy protected mpeg4 audio
[01:36] <cafuego_> (most olikely)
[01:36] <NoUse> !tell SymGeosis about dvd
[01:36] <SymGeosis> NoUse, I know. I already have this. Note the "DVD's worked before" part.
[01:36] <BockBilbo> me too... do you know how to check if the 3rd argument ($3) exists?
[01:37] <SymGeosis> DVD's work in gxine but I'm not a big fan of gxine and don't want to use it if I don't have to,
[01:37] <cafuego_> test -n $3
[01:37] <CarlFK> [[$3] ]
[01:37] <cafuego_> See 'man test' for more info :-)
[01:38] <NoUse> SymGeosis totem uses gstreamer so get the gstreamer dvd plugin
[01:38] <CarlFK> test seems a bit over kill
[01:38] <cafuego_> nice and portable to 'sh' though
[01:39] <SymGeosis> NoUse, which I already have.
[01:40] <cafuego_> Bad_Magic: You'll be wanting 'w32codecs'
[01:40] <dell500> anyone know how to find out how to get ndiswrapper to work?
[01:40] <cafuego_> !ndiswrapper
[01:40] <ubotu> methinks ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[01:40] <dell500> wow, that was redundant
[01:40] <MaxKyoto> bob2 | ng: one more question for ya... do you know how to remove the time limit for using sudo without a password?
[01:41] <CarlFK> MaxKyoto - set it to 1 year
[01:41] <bob2> or use NOPASSWD
[01:41] <gurubie> I'm new to ubuntu and from Mepis. I'm on breezy 5.10 and can someone explain the deal with the ubuntu vs. Synaptic package managers? I added several "universe" sources so I could find the apps I needed. I did the ubuntu updates (all done) but it said I need to do a smart (dist) upgrade in synaptic. Now in synaptic it wants to remove two libs, add a lot and update alot. SHould I do it?
[01:41] <bob2> which you will regret eventually
[01:41] <CarlFK> heh
[01:41] <bartp> hi
[01:41] <cafuego_> MaxKyoto: Check 'man sudo' for options.
[01:41] <bob2> gurubie: don't use breezy if you don't understand how apt/synaptic work
[01:41] <MaxKyoto> carlfk: how do you do option 1, i've tried option 2
[01:41] <nalioth> gurubie: i'd recommend you use only official ubuntu repos
[01:41] <dell500> that link tells me to use ' lspci ' to find out the chipset of my card, it's a belkin wireless desktop card
[01:42] <nalioth> gurubie: using other repos (debian esp) will lead to trouble
[01:42] <gurubie> ...and is "universe" debian reps?
[01:42] <PHPWannabe> Does anyone know if Ubuntu supports Lexmark printers?  I remember having trouble with this a while back.
[01:42] <spine55> does anyone know anything about cacti?
[01:42] <bob2> gurubie: often libs get replaced by new ones, and have to be removed and the new one installed for thinks to upgrade
[01:42] <fluvvell> bob2: (re-floppy) thanks, I'm sure I'd tried it on my other machine and it got changed back. It works, and survives a reboot so I'm happy with that
[01:42] <NoUse> SymGeosis you said you did a clean install, are you sure you got all your DVD related packages reinstalled?
[01:43] <CarlFK> "sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrect pw" !!
[01:43] <cafuego_> dell500: That links says way more stuff.
[01:43] <spine55> I'm having a problem with logging into the web interface the admin user
[01:43] <dell500> well ya, i know
[01:43] <bob2> CarlFK: heh, have you ever used slay without root priveleges?
[01:44] <cafuego_> dell500: There you go then.
[01:44] <dell500> cafuego, once i find out what chipset, which i think is a Broad Com (BCM) 4318 chipset, but i'm not sure because there are also drivers for the belkin
[01:44] <dell500> lol
[01:44] <nalioth> bob2: that must be fun
[01:44] <CarlFK> timestamp_timeout -- If set to a value less than 0 the users timestamp will never expire.
[01:44] <MaxKyoto> is NOPASSWD set in sudoers?
[01:44] <gurubie> Yes (and thank you much. I have I GOOD attitude) and I notice a change to mesa (looks like). Prob is, direct 3d (DRI) isn't working.
[01:44] <cafuego_> "These files can be obtained from your cards (Windows) instalation CD or downloaded from the card manufacturers website"
[01:45] <BockBilbo> cafuego, and do you know how to check if the argument given is equals to a string? for example, if $3 is equals to 'en'
[01:45] <BockBilbo> ?
[01:45] <kbob717> can u help me install macromedia flash player please?
[01:45] <SymGeosis> NoUse, yes. I have double checked them. I took a nice look through Synaptic. Totem accesses libdvdcss but then fails.
[01:46] <NoUse> SymGeosis do you have a specific error message?
[01:46] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Again, 'man test'
[01:46] <gurubie> So if I'm correct this new 5.1 (Breezy) is in beta "offical" ubuntu. Then is there newer beta stuff? Then is universe basically the debian stuff that might break?
[01:46] <syn-ack> kbob717: Thats a non supported item. They have a help forum
[01:46] <MaxKyoto> cafuego: in bash "if [ $3 == "$STR" ] ; then echo "match" ; fi
[01:46] <bob2> kbob717: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:46] <gurubie> ....or is all this new stuff from "universe"?
[01:46] <SymGeosis> The only other one that I get is "No accelerated IMDCT transform found" which google tells me is fine.
[01:46] <dell500> cafuego, thanks :)
[01:47] <stoeptegel> is it possible to change permissions on a ntfs filesystem?
[01:47] <BockBilbo> sorry
[01:47] <gurubie> What I mean by GOOD attitude is please don't miss read my word as negitive. ubuntu is great.
[01:47] <thrush> stoeptegel, you want to write to ntfs? or just access readonly
[01:47] <MaxKyoto> stoeptegel: not without fire & brimstone
[01:48] <Bad_Magic> anyone help me with ndiswrapper?
[01:48] <stoeptegel> thrush: just read and execute
[01:49] <stoeptegel> i think :D
[01:49] <NoUse> SymGeosis when you say Totem fails... locks? crashes?
[01:49] <nalioth> stoeptegel: writing to NTFS is a good first step to an all linux system
[01:49] <bob2> gurubie: breezy is not "beta", it's the development version of ubuntu, updated every 15 minutes or so, and is generally fairly broken.  main is supported by canonical for security fixes, etc, universe is not; their quality is fairly even.
[01:49] <cafuego_> nalioth ;-)
[01:49] <Bad_Magic> lol
[01:49] <Bad_Magic> ^^
[01:49] <SymGeosis> NoUse, negative. It just gives me the pop-up about "No handler for DVD://"
[01:50] <kbob717> kthx
[01:50] <stoeptegel> nalioth: i know i can't write there, but i'am not even able to list the files at the moment...
[01:50] <intelikey> lilo error "Fatal: First sector of /dev/sda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature" any body here know how to fix this ?
[01:50] <Bad_Magic> try mounting it?
[01:50] <Bad_Magic> =x
[01:50] <cafuego_> stoeptegel: That's a matter of apssing the correct 'uid', 'gid' and 'umask' options.
[01:50] <nalioth> stoeptegel: ubotu loves you
[01:51] <thrush> stoeptegel, http://ubuntuguide.org/#automountntfs
[01:51] <NoUse> well if you have gstreamer0.8-dvd installed I'm out of ideas, you could always try totem-xine
[01:51] <nalioth> thrush: please dont do that
[01:51] <thrush> no one like the ubuntuguide =)
[01:51] <dell500> def no files on there
[01:51] <reiki> YES! I just printed directly on a CD using Epson R200 and the Turboprint drivers
[01:51] <gurubie> bob2, Thank bob that helps. So this "development" install CD (and HD install) is "generally fairly broken" and similar in trouble as "universe"? Plus neither have security updates? Do they need it?
[01:52] <SymGeosis> NoUse, totem-xine is works questionably for me. The only GNOME player that seems to work fine for me is gXine and Xine-UI.
[01:52] <reiki> one step farther away from having to boot back to WinXP... I are happy
[01:52] <bob2> gurubie: no, you're confused, universe is just a section within breezy, like main and contrib in Debian
[01:52] <NoUse> SymGeosis what about mplayer?
[01:52] <bob2> gurubie: these are "if you don't know, don't use it" questions, btw
[01:53] <bob2> gurubie: main nominally has security updates for the development branch, unverse does not
[01:53] <cafuego_> gurubie: Yes, breezy is currently too broken for normal people to use.
[01:53] <SymGeosis> NoUse, the last time I tried mplayer for DVD's on this box it crashed on me.
[01:55] <cafuego_> though oowriter2 works again today
[01:56] <intelikey> lilo error "Fatal: First sector of /dev/sda1 doesn't have a valid boot signature" any body here know how to fix this ?
[01:56] <cafuego_> intelikey: rescue cd
[01:56] <gurubie> I really impressed with Breezy (updated too.) The thing is, it seems there are things I want in universe. Universe now sounds (and you're saying clearly) lacks security (I'm not doing a sever BTW) ans "don't use it".
[01:56] <SymGeosis> intelikey, fsck from a rescue/live cd.
[01:56] <treitter> so Breezy's a little more stable now? :)
[01:57] <cafuego_> treitter: neither oo2 nor firefox just segfaulted... :-)
[01:57] <TylerE> gurubie: It all depends
[01:57] <intelikey> hehhe ok but that was a clean install.   it seems that installing ubuntu to an scsi drive is buggy
[01:57] <bob2> gurubie: only nalioth said not to use it
[01:57] <TylerE> gurubie: There's just WAY too much software in universe to make any statements about security
[01:57] <bob2> gurubie: it's fine to use, as long as you understand what you're doing
[01:57] <TylerE> gurubie: You need to access your own situation
[01:57] <bob2> intelikey: no, it's not.  perhaps on your hardware it is, tho; please file a bug.
[01:58] <Xanthus7> can someone help me with a video card issue
[01:58] <SymGeosis> intelikey, I didn't even know that the Ubuntu install CDs had the option for LILO...
[01:58] <gurubie> Let's see. I wanted to load up TORCS (and they say no good 3D game in open software, huh) but I have several problems. One, DRI. Two TORCS will not install due to an uninstallabe lib.
[01:58] <gurubie> bob2, OK sorry bob2. My bad.
[01:58] <TylerE> gurubie: might need to add multiverse to your sources.list
[01:58] <abarbaccia> hey - how do i play .asf files?  what do i need to do?
[01:59] <TylerE> gurubie: I just tried it, installs fine here (Hoary, AMD64)
[01:59] <Xanthus7> I have a Radeon 9600 XT and cannot get 3d to load
[01:59] <bob2> abarbaccia: FAQ, wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:59] <bob2> Xanthus7: FAQ, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:59] <bob2> gurubie: welcome to breezy!
[01:59] <gurubie> bob2, Well I learn by doing. I'm gurubie for a reason. One part guru. one part Newbie (aren't we all) :)
[01:59] <bob2> gurubie: if you want things to be instalable, use hoary
[02:00] <Xanthus7> I have followed the wiki instructions to the letter and cannot get 3d to load
[02:00] <TylerE> Xanthus7: That's not surprising.  ATI Linux Drivers == basically unusable for anything beyond simple 2d
[02:00] <intelikey> SymGeosis they install grub and misnumber all the drives makeing it a pain on the first boot.    so after i got it booted i did "apt-get remove grub && apt-get install lilo"   but i can't get lilo to actually install cause of what ever grub did....
[02:00] <Xanthus7> They work fine in FC4
[02:00] <gurubie> TylerE, Hey, good to know. Maybe I should drop back to it but I don't like going back.
[02:01] <bob2> gurubie: or send patches for breezy; it is the development version, things are going to be broken
[02:02] <signbarn> I just formatted my NTFS drive to ext3. How do I get GRUB to know Windows no longer exists and to boot directly into Ubuntu?
[02:02] <NoUse> SymGeosis I've never used totem, I always use mplayer
[02:02] <SymGeosis> intelikey, this is curious. It misnumbered the drives? I don't mean to be insulting but you're sure about that?
[02:02] <intelikey> grub would be great, IF it used real addressing in place of that screwy numbering system that reads bios.... change bios and grub is useless...  lilo doesn't have that problem.
[02:02] <intelikey> yes SymGeosis i'm sure
[02:02] <gurubie> I am of cource aware that I jumped back into ubuntu with the "debelopment" version. I wasn't too impressed with Warty on my hardware then.
[02:02] <SymGeosis> NoUse, before I switched over to linux I always used mplayer. Since I don't want to compile my own recent version of mplayer-mozilla plugin I've stuck with Totem and Xine except for that one time I tried mplayer.
[02:02] <TylerE> intelikey: grub sucks less than lilo imo
[02:03] <TylerE> intelikey: I've actually always liked FreeBSDs bootloader. NO configuration, it just discovers what you have that's bootable
[02:03] <SymGeosis> TylerE, I agree.
[02:04] <intelikey> you are free to have that opinion about lilo/grub TylerE, as much as i am free to have the opisite opinion
[02:04] <gusto5> hello
[02:04] <reiki> does K3B screw up .ICEauthority every time you run it? Or only the FIRST time you run it? Should it be started with gksudo each time I run it?
[02:04] <cafuego_> lilo is not flexible; at least with grub you can access the FS and load up another kernel.
[02:04] <gurubie> bob2, Indeed, I am trying ubuntu again for just that reason. More newer overall choices (than Debian or Mepis so far maybe). So it's nice to here that Hoary (Lord what a name)  might fill the bill or maybey Brezzy as it's relesed as "main".
[02:04] <TylerE> cafuego: exactly!
[02:04] <cafuego_> And lilo has MASSIVE ISSUES with scsi+ide systems
[02:05] <TylerE> cafuego: Plus you can do fun stuff like boot bootable CD images off a harddrive
[02:05] <bob2> gurubie: no, you're stil confused
[02:05] <intelikey> for what i'm using it for.  grub is way to complicated.  lilo after installed is perfect.   (for my use)
[02:05] <cafuego_> To the point where my scsi+ide server needed to boot a kernel of a damn FLOPPY because lilo couldn't boot it.
[02:05] <bob2> gurubie: you've used apt before?  you know what repository sections are?
[02:06] <SymGeosis> TylerE, I just got tired of compiling and having to tweak everything. Plus ATI doesn't have drivers for FreeBSD...
[02:06] <TylerE> SymGeosis: yea
[02:06] <nalioth> SymGeosis: you can use VESA
[02:06] <TylerE> erm
[02:06] <BockBilbo> one last question cafuego, im trying to make an OR inside an IF contition...
[02:06] <gurubie> bob2, Oh yes.
[02:06] <BockBilbo> whats the way to do it? || doesnt seen to work
[02:07] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Bracket it properly
[02:07] <SymGeosis> nalioth, those drivers are rather buggy with this card that takes special ATI drivers that differer from all there others.
[02:07] <bob2> gurubie: breezy is a release, like sid or sarge.  main is just a section within each
[02:07] <nalioth> SymGeosis: ah, you are running hot stuff, then
[02:07] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: cmd1 || cmd2  ought to work fine, though
[02:07] <bob2> SymGeosis: if the driver in breezy don't work, please do file a bug
[02:08] <BockBilbo> ok
[02:08] <TylerE> SymGeosis: I pretty much stay away from ATI stuff these days
[02:08] <gurubie> bob2, OK right. I just wanted to refer to the supported version or what ever it's called.
[02:08] <bob2> gurubie: you're still mixing things up
[02:08] <SymGeosis> bob2, I haven't tried Breezy. Besides, the current drivers in the repositories don't have the driver that my laptop requires. It only has the generic one.
[02:09] <TylerE> SymGeosis: My last system had a 9600 in it. The thing never really worked well except in windows
[02:09] <gurubie> When is brezzy due (out of development)?
[02:09] <crimsun> october
[02:09] <bob2> just use "stable" instead of "supported"
[02:09] <SymGeosis> TylerE, the drivers are getting better with each release. Plus the dev team members have been incredibly helpful.
[02:09] <reiki> is it my imagination or does Ubuntu (and maybe linux in general) download faster than a windoze box? I'm redownloading Hoary iso and it sure seems to be going faster. 685KB/sec
[02:09] <rob_p> BockBilbo:  Don't forget to use double "[[" and "] ] " if you are using multiple conditions such as || and &&, etc.
[02:09] <gurubie> I could do a lot to report bugs in the mean time.
[02:09] <bob2> SymGeosis: yes, indeed, but if you told someone with the power to include them in ubuntu, it could work out of the box from october onwards
[02:10] <SymGeosis> bob2, I filed a report in  Bugzilla some time ago...
[02:10] <TylerE> SymGeosis: Seeing as how as of 6 months ago, when I last tried it, the ATI drivers were basically dog turds, I fail to see how the situation could NOT improve. I'm still skeptical. In any case, the NVIDIA drivers are pretty much flawless.
[02:10] <bob2> except for random crashes
[02:10] <bob2> and being binary-only
[02:10] <bob2> etc
[02:11] <SymGeosis> TylerE, if I remember correctly, Nvidia drivers don't use DRI.
[02:11] <bob2> yup
[02:11] <bob2> DRI was put under a binary-driver-compatible license so they could use it
[02:11] <bob2> but no!
[02:11] <SymGeosis> TylerE, plus for dual monitor support they require Xinerama (or however the hell it's spelled) which isn't as efficient as a hardware solution (which ATI uses)
[02:11] <gurubie> bob2, Right, stable it is. That's now Hoary. So the question becomes, what will I miss if I fall back to the stable release in order to move forward and install a few select packages from Universe in order to obtain smoth sailing?
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> SymGeosis: er no they don't
[02:11] <reiki> ok you guys are scarin me... if I build a new box, do I want to build it with a PCIexpress 256MB nVidia-based card?  or something else?
[02:12] <bob2> gurubie: "fall back" = reinstall
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> SymGeosis: and the difference is SFA
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: NVidia DOES do DRI, it just doesn't use the X stuff
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: nvidia is the best bet
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: The effect is the same any way
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: In any case the performace is pretty much the same as windows.
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: Because the drivers are the same
[02:12] <reiki> HrdwrBoB:  *whew!* :)
[02:12] <TylerE> SymGeosis: Except a little bit of glue code
[02:13] <HrdwrBoB> reiki: it's not entirely optimal, but for the most part, it works
[02:14] <reiki> HrdwrBoB: well by the time I actually get to where I can buy all the parts.. hopefully there will be improvements :)
[02:14] <titaniumone> what's considered the best bittorrent client for ubuntu? i'm using azureus on Windows XP and i like it but i want to start using bittorrent on my linux box instead. P3 450mhz / 256mb of ram, so i don't have a lot of resources.
[02:14] <dducko> has anyone here installed NWN on ubuntu?
[02:14] <reiki> ok... tossing a coin.... GnomeBaker or K3B to burn iso? They both about equal? one better?
[02:14] <gurubie> SymGeosis, Well my nvidia gpu works DRI (in Mepis dare I say) but I'm surprised DRI doesn't work (yet) in Breazy. If I understand you all correctly, my DRI should work with Hoary?
[02:14] <bob2> titaniumone: bittornado
[02:14] <CarlFK> kb3 has a better splash screen
[02:15] <bob2> reiki: don't bother, nautilus burns iso files just fine
[02:15] <bob2> reiki: righ click, select write to cd
[02:15] <dell500> !ndiswrapper
[02:15] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[02:15] <reiki> bob2: wow.... excellent... thanks
[02:16] <SymGeosis> gurubie, I'd like to be able to give you an answer however I don't have any Nvidia hardware as of now. Though judging from what the others have said, I'd say "yes."
[02:16] <Cylla> <-- newbie.. I have kubuntu and I can't for the life of me figure out how to start firefox. I've confirmed that its installed..
[02:16] <bob2> #kubuntu
[02:16] <bob2> or run "mozilla-firefox" from the run program dialog
[02:16] <Cylla> bob2:ty
[02:18] <Cylla> bob2: hmm, that does not work.. I attempted to ask in #kubuntu first but got no answer...
[02:18] <CarlFK> gurubie - did you do https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:18] <crube> Cylla,  you can make a shortcut to you KDE panel from the panel settings. It shouldn't be hard. You'll just have to name it, and add "mozilla-firefox" to the command section
[02:18] <bob2> "does not work"?
[02:18] <bob2> do you have the mozilla-firefox package installed?
[02:18] <SymGeosis> Cylla, try typing moz and then tab.
[02:18] <TylerE> Cylla: How did you confirm that it is installed?
[02:18] <bob2> or did you go install the tarball to some random place?
[02:18] <Cylla> yes..
[02:18] <dell500> for some reason, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper gives me an error
[02:18] <anomaly> dpkg -L |grep mozilla ?
[02:18] <dell500> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[02:19] <bob2> go ndiswrapper
[02:19] <treitter> mmm... dist-upgrade :)
[02:19] <bob2> ask on their mailing list
[02:19] <SymGeosis> dell500, try insmod.
[02:19] <anomaly> treitter welcome then
[02:19] <gurubie> I do want to point out the I am extreamly impressed with the manner that this "development" Brezzy set up my TI wireless G card. I don't even know if it used ndiswarpper or another native type module but it just works. That excellent and most important as a first step. Can I expect it to work the same with Hoary?
[02:20] <dell500> sudo insmod ndiswrapper ??
[02:20] <dell500> nope
[02:20] <crimsun> gurubie: maybe. If Breezy currently works, then I'd stick with it.
[02:20] <bob2> don't ever use insmod
[02:20] <gurubie> CarlFK, Thanks, i'll check
[02:20] <cafuego_> No, don't try insmod.
[02:20] <bob2> if you get that error with sudo modprobe, ask on the ndiswrapper mailing list
[02:20] <cafuego_> insmod is meant to be run by the KERNEL, not you.
[02:20] <dell500> i'm not sure why it might not let me modprobe it though
[02:20] <cafuego_> dell500: That error would normally indicate an incorrect driver.
[02:21] <SymGeosis> cafuego, I hardly see how that makes any difference. Could you extrapolate?
[02:21] <Cylla> TylerE: I confirmed with Kynaptic..
[02:21] <bob2> insmod doesn't know to load dependant modules
[02:21] <bob2> so it will give you symbol errors sometimes
[02:22] <bob2> and there's no reason to run it
[02:22] <crube> Cylla,  what is the exact package you confirmed from kynaptic?
[02:22] <dell500> cafuego, k, well i did lspci and found the card chipset (broadcom 4318 rev 02) but it's a belkin F5D7000 which is on the ndiswrapper site as well
[02:22] <bob2> dell500: ask on the ndiswrapper mailing list, and include the output of lspci
[02:22] <dell500> but none of the revisions fit the description to what my comp is doing
[02:22] <dell500> ok
[02:22] <SymGeosis> cafuego, besides I don't see that mentioned anywhere in the info page...
[02:22] <gurubie> Thanks all!
[02:22] <orospakr> hi! how can I get ubuntu to initialise a network bridge before configuring the interfaces? do I have to make my own initscript and set the priority?
[02:23] <Cylla> crube:mozilla-firefox-en-gb
[02:23] <gurubie> "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" is what i was looking for. Thanks!
[02:23] <cafuego_> SymGeosis: insmod doesn't check module depends; it invariable gives MORE errors.
[02:25] <bob2> orospakr: man 5 interfaces
[02:25] <bob2> ip-preup or so
[02:25] <dell500> ok, i'm lost
[02:25] <SymGeosis> cafuego, I see.
[02:25] <bob2> dell500: you mailed the list?
[02:25] <crube> Cylla,  I think ( the package I have installed ) it should be just mozilla-firefox. I didn't have mozilla downloadable from package manager as default in kubuntu. I downloaded it from the mozilla website. If the command "mozilla-firefox" doesn't work, I really doubt you have mozilla installed
[02:26] <orospakr> bob2, danke
[02:28] <crube> Everything went quiet?
[02:29] <Cylla> crube: I think I found it.. I assumed it was installed by default.. at least it appeared to be.
[02:29] <cafuego_> sorry, i axe-murdered everyone
[02:29] <moparfan90> whats a good program for burning .iso image?
[02:29] <cafuego_> moparfan90: cdrecord, or right-click it in nautilus
[02:30] <anomaly> burncd :P
[02:30] <crube> Cylla,  what i had installed by default was the language pack, which I assume you had too
[02:30] <reiki> moparfan90: gnomebaker? nautilus? K3B?
[02:30] <cafuego_> burncd uses cdrecord
[02:30] <cafuego_> k3b does too
[02:30] <moparfan90> ok
[02:30] <Cylla> crube:thanks.. for some reason I figured that if they installed the language pack they would have installed the browser too.
[02:30] <IcemanV9> burncd > atapi cd; cdrecord > scsi cd ... right??
[02:30] <reiki> if I go to the Applications menu...system tools.. file browser... is that running nautilus?
[02:31] <cafuego_> IcemanV9: no
[02:31] <cafuego_> IcemanV9: burncd (afaik) is justa  shell on top of cdrecord. Virtually all X burning apps are.
[02:31] <cafuego_> cdrecord dev =/dev/hdc -v -eject -data foo.iso
[02:32] <_derek> can someone help me debug a breezy/X problem?
[02:32] <IcemanV9> interesting. ok. thks.
[02:32] <_derek> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=3446
[02:32] <bimberi> reiki: yes (help->about :) )
[02:32] <BockBilbo> im done
[02:32] <_derek> that is the error log, i get gnome crashing when loging in
[02:33] <BockBilbo> i need some testers before i  modify the wiki
[02:33] <DjKritical> Can I mount a bin file the same way that I would mount an iso file?
[02:33] <Hurga> mkinitrd doens't give me any output...
[02:33] <BockBilbo> can anyone help me trying out the installation script por open office.org beta 2?
[02:33] <BockBilbo> cafuego, could you take a look to the code?
[02:33] <reiki> bimberi: doh! I'm still forgetting to do obvious things occasionally... things I laugh at other people for... hehehe.... well then nautilus told me my machine was too slow to burn this iso... the one that gnomebaker is now burning
[02:34] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: Uh, installation script?
[02:34] <BockBilbo> cafuego, yes
[02:34] <cafuego_> BockBilbo: I just used the package, which works fine (breezy)
[02:34] <BockBilbo> mmm this script is for hoary
[02:34] <IcemanV9> there is an installation script for OOo2(latest version) in forums for hoary
[02:34] <BockBilbo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta
[02:34] <HrdwrBoB> Hurga: works for me :)
[02:34] <BockBilbo> im upgrading the script on that wiki page
[02:34] <IcemanV9> ah. sorry. :)
[02:35] <bpuccio> don't know if this has been posted in chat already, but I just read this http://raphael.slinckx.net/blog/index.php/2005-08-31/the-wonders-of-pastebin  seems like it could be used a lot by people in here
[02:35] <Hurga> HrdwrBoB: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.13 2.6.13    but no initrd.
[02:35] <bimberi> reiki: hehe, /me misses the obvious frequently :)
[02:36] <SymGeosis> bpuccio, do you recognize the irony or your statement?
[02:36] <moparfan90> how do i know if its making the cd  iso image?
[02:36] <lJlolel> SymGeosis, lol
[02:37] <cafuego_> !tell bpuccio -about paste
[02:37] <bpuccio> err, I know about pastebin
[02:37] <moparfan90> how do i know if its making the cd  iso image?
[02:37] <crimsun> Hurga: breezy or hoary?
[02:37] <Hurga> hoary
[02:37] <bpuccio> this is a python script to avoid the web interface, thank you anyhow, cafuego
[02:37] <reiki> all in all this has been a great experiment. I haven't booted to Windows in about 2 weeks now. And I can accomplish nearly anything in Ubuntu that I could in WinXP. Although I WILL have to take some time to get used to Gimp as a replacement for PhotoShop. Otherwise... I think this is a permanent change for the better.
[02:38] <cafuego_> Hurga: Why would you make an initrd on a self-compiled kernel?
[02:38] <lJlolel> reiki, congratulations!
[02:38] <reiki> thanks! :)
[02:38] <bimberi> bpuccio: ha, the author of the "one response" is an op in this channel :)
[02:38] <Hurga> cafuego: Because I didn't want to compile everything in?
[02:39] <dvl> gidday.
[02:39] <bpuccio> ah, that I did not know, bimberi, I just read it in my RSS reader and thought that the chat might find it useful
[02:39] <bimberi> bpuccio: ... which was good thinking IMO :)
[02:40] <CarlFK> !tell me -about paste
[02:40] <bimberi> bpuccio: on your part
[02:40] <bpuccio> I recognize the name on the blog from the mailing lists, but did not know he was active in the IRC channel
[02:41] <CarlFK> bimberi - thanks.  I have been wanting something like that
[02:41] <crube> Where n Gnome can I change my power settings. For example the tim before my scren shuts down etc.
[02:41] <crimsun> Hurga: did you list the modules necessary in /etc/mkinitrd/modules ?
[02:41] <Hurga> crimsun: Yes.
[02:41] <CarlFK> er, whoever posted the paset bin paster util url
[02:41] <NoUse> crube thats done in the screen saver setup
[02:42] <crimsun> Hurga: did you modify /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf ?
[02:42] <crube> ok
[02:42] <Hurga> crimsun: No. Do I need to?
[02:42] <dvl> I'm pretty comfortable on Debian using apt-get etc. From what I'm reading, I can use apt-get on Ubuntu.  Hi all. We'll be converting some of the 200+-user servers in a moment.... we'll continue to hold off on the larger ones for now.
[02:44] <crube> Alright time to sleep ->
[02:44] <tod_kon> What command do I use to unpack a .deb file?
[02:45] <rebort> dpkg -i
[02:45] <tod_kon> Thanks
[02:45] <Hurga> crimsun: hello?
[02:45] <nalioth> tod_kon: better to use synaptic and not have to touch nasty ol' deb files
[02:45] <rebort> can anyone help me with gnome hanging at login, as described at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60286&page=1
[02:46] <NeoFax> Is xpi installation turned off in Firefox for Ubuntu?
[02:46] <DjKritical> Can I mount a bin file the same way that I would mount an iso file?
[02:46] <tod_kon> nalioth: I like command line... GUI pisses me off a bit...
[02:46] <rebort> use apt-get then
[02:47] <tod_kon> I do
[02:47] <DjKritical> nalioth, you can use the command       line and still not touch deb filers :P
[02:47] <rebort> tod_kon: oh, ok
[02:47] <bob2> DjKritical: no, convert it to a useful format with bchunk
[02:47] !lilo:*! One server disconnected, one restarted.... 200 users disconnected, 80 users split.... all coming back.
[02:47] <NoUse> tod_kon what are you installing via solo deb then?
[02:47] <crimsun> Hurga: you shouldn't have to.
[02:48] <crimsun> Hurga: what are the contents of /lib/modules/2.6.13/initrd/ ?
[02:48] <gurubie> Alright! DRI in working with my NVidia and Breezy (ubutu updated but not universe updated). Now I want to install TORCS (realistic 3D car racing) that I enjoyed on Mepis. This is what I get "torcs:
[02:48] <gurubie>  Depends: plib1.8.3  but it is not installable". Can it be fixed. What's the problem?
[02:48] <TylerE> NoUse: Well, one example *I* can give is the Opera browser. They supply ubuntu .debs
[02:48] <NoUse> TylerE ah
[02:48] <Hurga> crimsun: There's no initrd directory under /lib/modules/2.6.13
[02:48] <lJlolel> and also provide free registration codes today
[02:49] <omaru> sakamoto, #ubuntu-es
[02:49] <bob2> gurubie: the problem is you are using breezy
[02:50] <bob2> gurubie: it's under development, things will become installable.  the fix is to get plib.1.83 into the archive
[02:50] <Signia> hy
[02:50] <Signia> hey *
[02:50] <BockBilbo> cafuego, could you take a look to the code of the script and tell me if its ok?
[02:50] <BockBilbo> http://www.goikoetxeta.com/OOo2-beta2-install.sh
[02:50] <crimsun> Hurga: take a look at mkinitrd's man page, then. You can either script the appropriate modules to be copied over using /usr/share/initrd-tools/scripts/$foo, or put a copy of the modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/initrd/
[02:51] <Signia> can anyone help me mounting my hda1 on ubuntu live-cd?
[02:51] <tod_kon> rebort: I just don't use it I need a .deb that's not in the respiratory... such as the current case :P
[02:51] <bob2> sudo mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt
[02:51] <tod_kon> NoUse: Yup
[02:52] <Signia> yeah bob i tried that and got  sudo mount -t whatever /dev/hda1 /mnt
[02:52] <Signia> its ntfs
[02:52] <Signia> wait
[02:52] <gurubie> bob2, So you are saying reinstall Hoary?   The fix is for someone to upload that package so torcs will be installable."
[02:53] <Hurga> crimsun: I'm used to Suse and RedHat. They both have mkinitrd which doesn't need any of this. Are you sure it really is that complicated? And why do I have to lst the modules in one file and aditionally copy them somewhere? And why does mkinitrd fail silently?
[02:53] <titaniumone> i got the latest bittorrent command line client with apt-get install bittorrent (i don't think i want to use bittornado, this system sucks pretty bad). i can't figure out how to invoke it though
[02:53] <tod_kon> dpkg is "locked by another process"... It could be more specific... don't you think?
[02:53] <bob2> tod_kon: how?  you have another package management tool open, close it.
[02:53] <nalioth> tod_kon: you can only have one instance of apt or dpkg running at once
[02:54] <bob2> titaniumone: just use bittornado, it has the same ui as bittorrent
[02:54] <bob2> titaniumone: btdownloadcurse blah.torrent
[02:54] <tod_kon> Oh haha
[02:54] <titaniumone> bob2, oh ok. i didnt realize tornado was ncurses, i thought it was going to be gtk
[02:54] <crimsun> Hurga: the man page says that just listing the modules in /etc/mkinitrd/modules does NOT guarantee they'll be included in the initrd image
[02:55] <ax> question here: I just updated my girlfriend's packages and now when i reboot i get this error: invalid compressed format, and i cannot boot
[02:55] <bob2> titaniumone: probably has one too, it's crap tho
[02:55] <BockBilbo> can someone tell me if i should rewrite that wiki page?
[02:55] <Hurga> crimsun: I don't get ANY initrd image currently.
[02:55] <ax> so you know she is dual booting and for some reason ubuntu used lilo instead of grub
[02:55] <titaniumone> bob2, i assume there is a way to configure stuff like max connections etc? azureus crashes my router on windows if i don't have a max set for connections
[02:55] <ax> any suggestions for ways to make her box usable again?
[02:55] <bob2> titaniumone: of course
[02:55] <crimsun> Hurga: I understand that
[02:56] <bob2> ax: it's extraorindarily unlikely that "ubuntu used lilo instead of grub"; lilo is not on the install CD
[02:56] <crimsun> Hurga: that's why I referred you to some additional gotchas that have plagued people
[02:56] <gurubie> bob2, Thanks. So it is indeed as Breezy vs. Hoary lib change then? I was not sure. How can I check the status of this new lib package being updated. (besides asking Torcs dev). Is there a perferred  Brezzy dev site?
[02:56] <ax> well that is what happened, i used an ubuntu install cd and she has lilo
[02:56] <lJlolel> bob2, that's weird, i installed lilo on the other cd
[02:56] <ax> either way i don't think it is lilo's fault
[02:57] <tod_kon> Later... Thanks for the help
[02:57] <bob2> I can't even imagine how that could happen with a default install
[02:57] <lJlolel> bob2, expert install
[02:57] <jbloudg20> one quick, stupid question... how do I change my window switcher to show the windows on all desktops instead of just the current one? I had it yesterday, but I forgot how I did it
[02:57] <ax> it seems that the kernel image compression must not be recongnized, but i'm wondering what i can do to fix this
[02:57] <bob2> gurubie: no, it's not anythign to do with hoary vs breezy
[02:57] <bob2> gurubie: and it has nothing to do with any torcs developers at all
[02:57] !lilo:*! Another server upgraded, about 240 users affected.
[02:58] <Hurga> crimsun: automatic creation of an initrd when I install a kernel package works fine. can it possibly be THAT broken that nothing works anymore when I ty it manually?
[02:58] <bob2> gurubie: the plib package needs to be in breezy or else torcs dependency's can't be satisfied.  if you want it there, get on #ubuntu-motu and help.
[02:59] <crimsun> Hurga: more than likely you're not using a config option/patch that Ubuntu includes
[02:59] <crimsun> Hurga: sorry, I need to cut out now
[03:00] <ohphracku> oh look its bob2 thanx for that abuse the other night. :]
[03:00] <omaru> Does anyone knows how to re-install ubuntu without formatting?
[03:00] <Hurga> crimsun: well ok, thanks, trying to copy the modules over.
[03:00] <bob2> omaru: it would be easier to help you if you told us what you're trying to acheive
[03:01] <gurubie> bob2, So it (TORCS) will not probably work with Hoary and thus a new install of Hoary will not help me solve this problem either?
[03:01] <bob2> where did I imply that?
[03:01] <bob2> if you don't know how apt and packages work, using breezy is a terrible idea
[03:02] <bob2> torcs in hoary appear to be installable
[03:02] <hmrocha> bob2, breezy is working fine now :)
[03:02] <bob2> so, yes, using hoary would fix this problem for you
[03:04] <omaru> bob2, installed KDE on my linuxbox, but now gnome can't start the error says "gnome-daemon-settings has close unexpectedly" and then I can't work
[03:04] <bob2> so
[03:04] <_derek> is there a way to list packages based on dependencies
[03:04] <bob2> in future, ask how to fix that
[03:04] <bob2> asking people how to reinstall for such a trivial problem is silly
[03:04] <bob2> _derek: elaborate...
[03:04] <bob2> omaru: does it affect other users?
[03:05] <omaru> bob2, nah, only me
[03:05] <_derek> bob2: for example, if i wanted to do a dpkg -l, but only list packages that depend on abc.deb
[03:05] <_derek> how could i do that
[03:05] <bob2> omaru: then how would reinstalling help at all?
[03:05] <CarlFK> _derek - my crystal ball says http://packages.ubuntu.com
[03:05] <bob2> _derek: apt-cache showpkg abc
[03:05] <omaru> bob2, dunno was the first thing I thinked in
[03:05] <bob2> omaru: you need to get out of that mindset
[03:05] <lunitik> bob2: showpkg?
[03:05] <_derek> CarlFK, bob2, sorry i meant installed packages
[03:05] <bob2> lunitik: yes
[03:06] <bob2> _derek: then filter it later
[03:06] <bob2> dpkg cares little about dependencies of installed packages
[03:06] <gurubie> bob2 OK sorry, I was mistaken. So you definately recomend I install to Hoary, in order to get TORCS working and not even attempting to update Breezy unless the plib pacakge is released for Breezy?
[03:06] <lJlolel> breezy is a much better name than hoary
[03:06] <CarlFK> bob2 - my modem isnt working.  can you help me build a new one?
[03:06] <_derek> bob2: thats exactly what i need, thanks
[03:06] <omaru> bob2, ok, I said i'm sorry.. can you help me? :(
[03:06] <bob2> gurubie: no, just don't use it until it's released or mdz or jdub ask for user testing in a month or so
[03:06] <bob2> gurubie: report a bug on launchpad.net
[03:07] <bob2> begging is highly irritating
[03:07] <lunitik> bob2: ahh... never knew about that... thanks  :)
[03:07] <bob2> omaru: mkdir ~/old ; mv ~/.gnome* ~/old
[03:07] <bob2> omaru: log out, in again
[03:07] !lilo:*! IPv6 server restarted, about 220 people affected
[03:08] <gurubie> bob2, OK, thanks. ,,,going to lauchpad.net
[03:08] <NoUse> why is there launchpad.net and bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[03:08] <bob2> because launchpad didn't exist when ubuntu started
[03:08] <bob2> and ubuntu needed some sort of bug tarcker
[03:08] <bob2> so they chose bugzilla
[03:08] <bob2> launchpad still isn't finished, so some stuff still uses bugzilla
[03:09] <NoUse> bob2 seems inefficient to have QA stuff fragmented like that
[03:09] <CarlFK> better add that bugzilla bugs a lot of people
[03:09] <bob2> yes, I hate it
[03:09] <BockBilbo> Ive just upgraded the openoffice2 beta installation script from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta, in a way that i dont know if it will work in future snapshots.  Ccould anyone tell me what to do? should i replace the existing wiki page or make a new one?
[03:09] <bob2> NoUse: indeed, hence why everything used bugzilla for the first 9 months
[03:10] <ProN00b> hmm is ipv6 enabled on ubuntu by default ?
[03:10] <bob2> define "enabled"
[03:10] <lunitik> gurubie: some Conanonical developers have been working on Launchpad for a while... it is supposed to be able to keep in sync with upstream bugs etc... Mark has been doing talks about it for a while (see stuff at aKadamy for instance)
[03:10] <CarlFK> ProN00b loolk like PorNoob
[03:10] <bob2> interfaces will have link-local ipv6 addresses
[03:11] <bob2> but no global routing or anything is setup
[03:11] <lunitik> gurubie: Canonical are working on a few cool little things like that... aiming at making development easier  ;)
[03:11] <eruin> baz
[03:11] <gonti> hi, i have a problem. I am installing Hoary on my notebook, but I need to install Lilo instead of Grub. Is it possible to do this by automatic installation (not expert mode) ?
[03:11] <eruin> baz gives me wet dreams
[03:11] <gonti> Grub completely doesn't work
[03:12] <bob2> except baz is slow and the codebase is crufty
[03:12] <omaru> thanks for helping bob2
[03:12] <CarlFK> gonti - fixing grub will probably be easier
[03:12] <bob2> after 6 months hacking on it, I still hate it
[03:12] <bob2> gonti: why do you need to?
[03:12] !lilo:*! Two servers upgraded; about 460 users affected total.
[03:12] <ProN00b> bob2, i want to make ipv6 working for my ppp0 (pppoe), at the moment it doesn't show any inet6 addr in ifconfig, do you know any resources that could help me ?
[03:13] <bob2> wtf
[03:13] <bob2> your ISP actually gives you native ipv6?
[03:13] <gonti> CarlFK - but it doesn't boot
[03:13] <gonti> ;]
[03:13] <CarlFK> gadz... Noobs are working with IPv6 and I can't even get a dial up connction ;)
[03:13] <bob2> gonti: doesn't boot?
[03:13] <gonti> "hard disk error" or something like that...
[03:13] !lilo:*! We're going to do a couple of 450-user servers now. Apologies for the noise level.
[03:14] <ProN00b> bob2, how do i find out weather it gives me ipv6 natively ?
[03:14] <CarlFK> gonti - if "it" that doesn't boot is grub, then either gurb is in the wrong place, or your hardware is broke
[03:14] <ompaul> whats this then? inet6 addr: fe80::204:5aff:fe75:c8ee/64 Scope:Link
[03:14] <gusto5> hi everyone
[03:14] <bob2> ProN00b: if you did, you would know
[03:14] <ompaul> its only a little hop to the router :)
[03:14] <CarlFK> gonti - you need to run grub or something like a solution to your problem
[03:14] <eruin> -bliss
[03:14] <bob2> omaru: a link-local address; if you plug two ubuntu machines together, they should be able to talk over ipv6
[03:14] <gonti> I tried on MBR and linux partition, but always "hdd error"
[03:14] <ProN00b> why, bob2, and how can i get it non natively ?
[03:14] <bob2> wtf
[03:14] <bob2> "why" is not a question
[03:15] <gusto5> i have a question about how to setup my okidata OL 600e laser printer
[03:15] <ProN00b> why would i know ?
[03:15] <bob2> ProN00b: ask your isp
[03:15] <bob2> blah, nevermind
[03:15] <_lui_> hello people!!
[03:15] <bob2> ProN00b: freenet6 is what you want, anyway
[03:15] <_derek> bob2: what would an app need tcp/to use the /tmp folder for (trying to figure out which it is)
[03:16] <CarlFK> gonti -  "hdd error" or "HD error"?
[03:16] <gonti> CarlFK rather HD (but i'm not sure)
[03:17] <CarlFK> when you are sure, post.
[03:17] <CarlFK> unless you want us to guess at the solution...
[03:17] <eruin> damnit, I long for gtk 2.8.3
[03:17] <gonti> ok, my friends says he's sure ;]
[03:17] <gonti> HD error
[03:17] <CarlFK> I'll ask my friend for an answer... ;)
[03:18] <gonti> ::>
[03:18] <CarlFK> gonti - sounds like your drive is failing
[03:18] <CarlFK> gonti - how long ago did you install Ubuntu?
[03:18] <ompaul> bob2, have you seen the ORA IPV6 book?
[03:19] <gonti> my drive works on windows and Suse, but on ubuntu it isn't so automatic ;]
[03:19] <gonti> i'm installing it now ;]
[03:19] <gonti> on notebook
[03:20] <gonti> huh?:)
[03:21] <CarlFK> so 2 days ago?
[03:21] <ProN00b> bob2, so i just run their strange tool, and i can connect to their gateway ?
[03:21] <gonti> i'm installing it now
[03:22] <arbir> hello
[03:22] <kairu0> anyone had a problem with xine/totem color? in all my video files i'm getting an ugly display thats maybe 16 color or something
[03:22] <CarlFK> so how can you be having a problem?
[03:22] <arbir> my wireless connection keeps dropping... and i have to reboot to get it working again
[03:22] <gonti> CarlFK: when I chose expert mode and Lilo, i had "loading linux ..........................." and nothing else ;]
[03:22] !lilo:*! Had to do one of those twice. Apologies.
[03:23] <gonti> and when i chose grub, i had HD error
[03:23] <arbir> i ran a ping in the background and i got a weird message when the network connection dropped
[03:23] <CarlFK> gonti - so don't choose the expert mode and lilo.  basic and grub work.
[03:23] <arbir> ping: sendmsg: No buffer space available
[03:23] <gonti> it doesn't work ;/
[03:23] <CarlFK> bob2 - I think the problem with my modem is: I just orrded it and it hasn't arived yet.
[03:24] <CarlFK> gonti - of course not, it isn't done installing.
[03:24] <arbir> cant drop connection any time
[03:24] <arbir> :-(
[03:25] <gusto5> hi, how do i use a .ppd file for a printer?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: loaded question
[03:25] <ohphracku> arbir y do  "have to reboot"?
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: what printer
[03:25] <gusto5> okidata 600e
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: it's actually in the printer wizard in any case
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> assuming your printer isn't listed
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> there's a load driver option
[03:25] <gonti> CarlFK - I tried 5 times... on MBR, on linux partition, with starting flags on different partition, always with no results
[03:26] <gusto5> there is?
[03:26] !lilo:*! The remaining servers and hubs will make a lot of noise. We'll do them in about 2.5-3.5 hours.
[03:26] <gusto5> HrdwrBoB, i cant find this printer wizard
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> gusto5: it's secretly hidden in system->administration-> printing
[03:27] <HrdwrBoB> add new printer
[03:27] <gusto5> yes...and then?
[03:27] <CarlFK> gonti - do the default install, get an error, post it.  that is the easy way to attack this.
[03:28] <NeoFax> I have tried setting up JAVA 1.5 in breezy, but it just doesn't work.  It does not replace 1.4.2.  Anyone know how to get it to work?
[03:28] <bimberi> gusto5: at Step 2 of 2 there is a "Install Driver" button ...
[03:28] <gonti> okey, i'm trying again
[03:28] <gusto5> ok, but what do i choose for step one bimberi
[03:29] <bimberi> gusto5: how is the printer connected?
[03:29] <gusto5> printer port
[03:29] <CarlFK> gusto5 - do you have the URL of the printer's specs?
[03:30] <gusto5> no, i dont, but i shal go find
[03:30] <BockBilbo> ok, im going to bed
[03:30] <sakamoto> how can i reinstall ubuntu? because i can rune gnome session it sendme an error message about genome-settings daemon.
[03:30] <BockBilbo> this is the new page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OpenOffice2Beta
[03:30] <bimberi> gusto5: Local printer, specify Parallel Port #1
[03:31] <bimberi> gusto5: if "printer port" is the parallel port
[03:32] <gusto5> ok bimberi
[03:32] <gusto5> im attempting a test print now
[03:33] <gusto5> im using that port that has the printer pic on it
[03:34] <bimberi> gusto5: yeah, that's usually the parallel port
[03:34] <gusto5> ok bimberi
[03:34] <gusto5> what the...
[03:35] <gusto5> bimberi, my printer light indicator says there is a task, but it doesnt sem to be printing anything
[03:35] <_derek>   is anyone here runnning breezy?
[03:35] <_derek> with gnome/gdm not kde/kdm?
[03:36] <_derek> and wants to help me out (no linux experience really necessary!)
[03:37] <gusto5> bimberi, still flashing "printing" but not actually printing hehehehe
[03:38] <TylerE> _derek: what's the issue?
[03:39] <_derek> TylerE: i just want someone to restart their comp, login to gnome via gdm , not open any programs, do a "ps aux > psaux.txt" and email it to me to help me debug which package is messing up
[03:39] <bimberi> gusto5: welcome to the occasionally frustrating world of linux printing :|
[03:39] <bimberi> gusto5: did you install your own PPD file?
[03:40] <gusto5> bimberi, yes i installed my own ppd file
[03:40] <gusto5> no
[03:40] <gusto5> i installed the one from linuxprinting
[03:40] <bimberi> gusto5: that should be ok but anyway you could try the available driver - set up another printer and at step 2, hilight okidata and select your model
[03:41] <bimberi> gusto5: er, not hilight, select (next to manufacturer)
[03:41] <frank23> I'm registered now but how do I get konversation to log me in with my password?
[03:42] <gusto5> yea...ive setup another one
[03:42] <gusto5> now it actually says "printing 1 jobs"
[03:43] <gusto5> but its still not actually printing :D
[03:43] <BockBilbo> byeee
[03:43] <gusto5> ok...
[03:43] <gusto5> now it "finished printing" according to ubuntu
[03:43] <gusto5> lol
[03:44] <gonti> CarlFK: are u still there?
[03:44] <bimberi> gusto5: well - ubuntu is definitive and reality is wrong :)
[03:44] <gonti> CarlFK: r U still there?
[03:44] <gusto5> lol....
[03:45] <gusto5> i see what they mean by linux and printing now :S
[03:45] <bimberi> gusto5: sorry, i can't help much more. Others (or google) might tho
[03:45] <gonti> CarlFK: "install the grub boot loader to the master boot record"?
[03:45] <pestilence> is there any recommendations for webcams?  something that would work well as a motion detector/security?
[03:45] <gusto5> thanks for trying, bimberi
[03:45] <bimberi> gusto5: yw :)
[03:46] <gonti>  CarlFK: "install the grub boot loader to the master boot record"? ;)
[03:46] <gusto5> bimberi, im just gonna change the paper source around and see what happens
[03:47] <bimberi> gusto5: that's the way, keep experimenting, there's always something else to try
[03:47] <ompaul> gusto5, what kind of printer?
[03:47] <gusto5> hehe...linuxprinting.org says "it works perfectly"
[03:47] <gusto5> Okidata OL 600e
[03:48] <gusto5> and hello to you too, paul
[03:50] <ompaul> me broke me ubuntu
[03:50] <stoeptegel> umode +CE
[03:51] <nalioth> ompaul: need a big hammer to fix it?
[03:51] <_derek> anyone have epiphany installed on breezy?
[03:52] <SymGeosis> For those of you who haven't heard, there is now, for a limited time, free Opera registration. Yay!
[03:52] <ompaul> nalioth, na I think its apt-get some interesting packages
[03:52] <ompaul> nalioth, no I don't think I know
[03:53] <DewDude> will KDE install under ubuntu?
[03:53] <ompaul> right server install and all that followed by rebuild it a little smarted
[03:53] <ompaul> DewDude, apt-get intall kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <DewDude> like...will having gnome already here mess with KDE installation
[03:53] <stoeptegel> could someone tell me how i can show my LAN ip adres in konsole?
[03:53] <DewDude> ooh
[03:53] <_derek> DewDude: it should be fine
[03:53] <DewDude> ok
[03:53] <bimberi> DewDude: i've got both coexisting happily
[03:54] <DewDude> see, i got an 400mhz g3 iMac
[03:54] <bimberi> DewDude: er, on i386 that is :)
[03:54] <gusto5> ooo...sympatico :)
[03:54] <DewDude> and i started with gentoo..but i'm having video issues...however someone from a mac channel said ubuntu supported the iMac hardware nicely
[03:55] <vader1102> it does
[03:55] <vader1102> I have it runnning on an IMAC where I volunteer
[03:55] <DewDude> plus someone told me it was probably going to take 2 days for KDE to install
[03:55] <DewDude> so..i'm like
[03:55] <DewDude> heh
[03:55] <DewDude> i need to try something that might install a bit faster
[03:56] <candlelight> stoeptegel: ifconfig
[03:56] <vader1102> "default" went seamlessly
[03:56] <DewDude> i'm waiting for the ISO to download
[03:56] <DewDude> still...so..i shall return when it's burned and the install is going
[03:57] <candlelight> dewdude: can try GRP if don't want to compile fro gentoo
[03:57] <vader1102> DewDude, are you using FTP or HTTP?
[03:57] <stoeptegel> candlelight: THNX you rule!
[03:57] <bimberi> DewDude: are you installing the kubuntu ISO? (ubuntu w/ kde)
[03:58] <bimberi> s/installing/downloading/
[03:58] <vader1102> DewDude, listen to bimberi he know "a lot"
[03:58] <abarbaccia> hey under my places menu, somehow a folder called cdrom showed up under Home and Desktop and i want it to disappear - anybody know how to get rid of it?
[03:59] <bimberi> vader1102: steady on :)
[03:59] <_derek> are all packages that begin with gnome-* in main?
[03:59] <dducko> abarbaccia I put one there useing the archiver
[03:59] <vader1102> bimberi, I try and am learning
[03:59] <dducko> you can remove it there probally
[03:59] <dug___> anyone tried breezy on a recent dell desktop or desktop with sata drives?
[03:59] <vader1102> brb
[04:00] <DewDude> there's a kubuntu iso?
[04:00] <vader1102> DewDude,  yes
[04:00] <bimberi> DewDude: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[04:00] <gonti> is it possible to install ubuntu with lilo on automatic mode ??
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> why do you want lilo
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu uses grub
[04:00] <HrdwrBoB> and what do you mean 'automatic mode'
[04:01] <gonti> not expert and even server mode
[04:01] <gonti> but standard mode ;]
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> oh
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> why?
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> a standard user doesn't care
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> they don't need to know what bootloader they usr
[04:01] <HrdwrBoB> use
[04:02] <gonti> because my grub does't work
[04:02] <gonti> it doesn't boot the system
[04:02] <gonti> maybe lilo will work
[04:02] <HrdwrBoB> well, would you like some assistance with getting grub to work?
[04:02] <aru> can ubuntu be made to login a user automaticly when the system is booted?
[04:02] <candlelight> gonti: i thought if during installation grub failed to install, you can select lilo from the menu?
[04:03] <bimberi> aru: yes
[04:03] <HrdwrBoB> aru: yes
[04:03] <bimberi> aru: system -> admin -> login screen setup
[04:03] <gonti> yes, I do ;)
[04:03] <aru> alrighty, thanks
[04:03] <vader1102> !botsnack
[04:03] <ubotu> :)
[04:04] <titaniumone> i can't get btdownloadcurses working; it just sits at 'connecting to peers'. i am behind a firewall, but i forwarded ports 6881 - 6889. is there anything else i need to do?
[04:05] <gonti> ??
[04:05] <DewDude> well
[04:05] <DewDude> i've got half this regular ISO already
[04:05] <DewDude> and my connection isn't all that fast
[04:05] <vader1102> !wine
[04:06] <DewDude> so i'll probably install the normal ISO and apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[04:06] <bimberi> DewDude: I'm sure you'll fall in love with ubuntu's gnome config anyway :)
[04:07] <gonti> i see no idea
[04:07] <robotgeek> titaniumone: did u use the  --forwarded_port 6991 option?
[04:07] <gonti> the longest instalation in history: 5h'
[04:07] <gonti> ;]
[04:07] <gonti> (as far)
[04:08] <pudland_> i created a folder and its locked, how to i change permission?
[04:08] <gonti> pudland_: install mc
[04:08] <pudland_> mc?
[04:08] <gonti> and there u can change permissions
[04:08] <gonti> midnight commander
[04:08] <gonti> or in console chmod
[04:08] <pudland_> apt-get?
[04:08] <HrdwrBoB> erm
[04:09] <ksmurf> !breezy
[04:09] <ubotu> rumour has it, breezy is the next version of Ubuntu (5.10); released October 2005. It hasn't reached stable-status, so it can still be broken. A pictorial view of differences between Hoary & Breezy: http://members.home.nl/jeroen-91/ubuntu/breezy-new/
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> you can right click on it
[04:09] <HrdwrBoB> and select properties
[04:09] <gonti> pudland_:  firtly apt-get it
[04:09] <gonti> then use;p
[04:09] <gonti> firstly*
[04:09] <candlelight> pudland: chmod
[04:09] <bimberi> pudland_:  you don't need mc for that, try HrdwrBoB's advice first
[04:09] <gonti> type "man chmod" :)
[04:10] <pudland_> kk
[04:10] <DewDude> bimberi - yes...but..i'm a KDE man
[04:10] <_derek> is there a way to see what gnome runs when it starts up?
[04:10] <bimberi> DewDude: ... who obviously can't be swayed :)
[04:10] <pudland_> HrdwrBoB: then what?
[04:11] <titaniumone> tried setting min/max port with commandline and it still just sits at connecting to peers
[04:11] <vader1102> DewDude,  so was I but Ubuntu changd my mind
[04:11] <DewDude> i've used gnome
[04:11] <DewDude> i didn't like gnome
[04:11] <vader1102> so had I
[04:11] <HrdwrBoB> pudland_: in permissions
[04:11] <abarbaccia> how do i get a process to run under a different user if its starting from a script?
[04:11] <robotgeek> titaniumone: try a different torrent?
[04:11] <pudland_> HrdwrBoB, im not owner, everything is grey
[04:11] <DewDude> well
[04:11] <abarbaccia> is it su "user" -c "command"
[04:12] <DewDude> i'll play with it...a bit
[04:12] <vader1102> I only have gnome on here
[04:12] <DewDude> well, i'll install kde
[04:12] <DewDude> it's my choice
[04:12] <DewDude> dammit
[04:12] <vader1102> have fun lol
[04:12] <bimberi> DewDude: you install what you like - and have fun!
[04:13] <djur> anyone willing to give me some insight as to an error message I received when trying to install ubuntu?
[04:13] <titaniumone> robotgeek, i still just get connecting to peers. :(
[04:13] <djur> I'm getting "unable to install coreutils" when it's installing the base system
[04:13] <lunitik> djur: if you state the error... someone might be able to help...
[04:13] <cafuego> Oi Mai Goid
[04:13] <DewDude> cigarette time
[04:13] <cafuego> filthy smoker
[04:14] <djur> and then it exists the installation.
[04:14] <DewDude> heh
[04:14] <DewDude> i like my cigarettes
[04:14] <vader1102> cafuego, take it easy dude, so am I
[04:14] <DewDude> and my weed
[04:14] <vader1102> lol
[04:14] <vader1102> not the weed for me though
[04:14] <lunitik> djur: if its installed anyways... don't worry about it... dpkg -l coreutils | grep ^ii  shows it?
[04:14] <_derek> does anyone know where there is a list of what starts upon gnome starting?
[04:14] <cafuego> vader1102: take it easy dude, I smoked for longer than you've been alive ;-)
[04:14] <bimberi> djur: that could indicate a bad CD
[04:15] <vader1102> cafuego, , I aint here to make trouble
[04:15] <vader1102> I promise
[04:15] <lunitik> vader1102: you 'aint' here to speak English either it would seem....
[04:16] <furic> Sorry if this is off topic, but #kubuntu is dead, in gnome i can change my font dpi setting in the fonts applet, but in kde i can't find an equivalent setting, and everything is rendering outrageously large. is there a way?
[04:16] <djur> bimberi:  I have two copies that were shipped to me that are official..  neither work
[04:16] <lunitik> furic: kcontrol > Appearance and Themes > Fonts
[04:16] <nalioth> furic: kubuntu is "on topic" here
[04:16] <cafuego> furic: KDE has a fonts applet as well.
[04:17] <furic> Yes, i noticed
[04:17] <bimberi> djur: there have been stories of a "bad batch" of cds - unfortunately :(
[04:17] <djur> uhoh.
[04:17] <cafuego> and it (in theory) does the same thing :-)
[04:17] <SymGeosis> Heya oneseventeen, I feel like I practically know you from zv6000forums.com. =)
[04:17] <oneseventeen> how do I open a network port?
[04:17] <djur> is there a way to install via network?  I have cable..
[04:17] <furic> but that only works for applications that listen to those font size settings, setting dpi would be system wide and actually be effective...
[04:17] <oneseventeen> Sym: what's your username there?
[04:17] <SymGeosis> SymGeosis.
[04:18] <SymGeosis> I've posted 15 or so times there, usually offering assistance. I think once even to you. ;-)
[04:18] <cafuego> furic: Well, if you want to change the dpi on X, you need to edit the X cfg file (or make X use the correct font size)
[04:18] <furic> Right, how?
[04:18] <lunitik> furic: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt  ... use this to make GNOME based apps use KDE based settings
[04:18] <bimberi> djur: if you've got a bootable system and can set up networking you can complete the install from the net
[04:18] <oneseventeen> hehe, yeah, you have, on the thread about getting ubuntu to work,
[04:19] <oneseventeen> thanks for the tips, that thread got ubuntu running nicely :)
[04:19] <furic> lunitik: That is not my issue, its not even remotly my issue, my problem is with kde apps ignoring kde settings
[04:19] <oneseventeen> (minus the fact that these laptops have ati cards... :( )
[04:19] <furic> and i dont at all like having incorrect pt interpretation...
[04:20] <djur> bimberi:  the live system works, can I install from it
[04:20] <gusto5> bimberi, if you're still around, id like to know how to update the ubuntu clock
[04:20] <nalioth> djur: unfortunately not, you need the install disk
[04:20] <bimberi> djur: not that i know of
[04:20] <SymGeosis> oneseventeen, yeah. I'm now an official ATI linux beta-tester.
[04:21] <gusto5> never mind bimberi
[04:21] <gusto5> i just did it rofl
[04:21] <bimberi> gusto5: right click on the clock
[04:21] <oneseventeen> I supposedly need to open port 113 to connect to quakenet, so my irc client can talk to ident servers...
[04:21] <lunitik> furic: they shouldn't ignore the setting... I've never had that issue... but then, I've rarely used Kubuntu...
[04:21] <SymGeosis> Mostly because I wrote to one of the developers about the problems we were having on this laptop.
[04:21] <oneseventeen> how do I do that?
[04:21] <lunitik> furic: maybe look at Kubuntu bugs on the matter?
[04:21] <furic> lunitik: Some applications have it hard coded, for example chat history themes in kopete
[04:21] <furic> its not a bug
[04:22] <oneseventeen> After getting fglrx working, I get 1200FPS in glxgears, and in counter-strike: source (via cedega) I get about 3 seconds between each frame.
[04:22] <furic> well, maybe the font rendering is, but its happened on other linux distros
[04:23] <Viziri> I want to try out SUSE 9.3. I have Ubuntu and XP installed alread. Anyone know a good HOWTO on how to do this?
[04:23] <oneseventeen> I hope you give 'em hell and they get some better drivers out! (the recent ones just lock up my system too :( )
[04:23] <djur> so how is hardware support on ubuntu compared to say.. redhat, debian, suse, etc..?
[04:23] <cafuego_> 23587 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4717.330 FPS
[04:23] <cafuego_> woot
[04:23] <bur[n] er> Viziri, just partition another part for suse to use
[04:23] <SymGeosis> Viziri, just download Suse's CD's and rip away at it.
[04:23] <SymGeosis> Viziri, if you want to keep your partitions you may want to give gparted a look.
[04:24] <candlelight> viziri: suse will detect all your current ubuntu and xp and put them into the bootloader.
[04:24] <oneseventeen> djur, I have a widescreen wireless laptop, and ubuntu is the OS I've chosen, if that helps
[04:24] <Viziri> I could do that no problem, but i'm concerned about boot issues
[04:24] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: Set up the game in Cedega to use hw 3d, not software.
[04:24] <djur> cool..  I have a wireless laptop on it's way to me...
[04:24] <oneseventeen> cafuego_ how do I do that?
[04:24] <djur> I was hoping to hear it had support.
[04:24] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: game prefs
[04:24] <bur[n] er> Viziri, don't be... grub can handle suse and ubuntu... just edit the menu.lst when done to include all OSes
[04:25] <gonti> ej!! I have to choose the path for istalling LILO and the default path is "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc" but unfortunatelly it doesn't work. Do you suggest something ?
[04:25] <titaniumone> anyone ever have problems with btdownloadcurses? i cannot get it to connect to peers. :( i have forwarded ports (i think the right ones, im not sure)
[04:25] <oneseventeen> djur: I think most linux distros have support, since you can run most software on all the distros, but ubuntu does seem to be pretty good "out of the box"
[04:26] <bur[n] er> titaniumone, shouldn't even need to forward ports... although forwarding makes things faster
[04:26] <bur[n] er> titaniumone, you have a gui?  i'd suggest azureus
[04:27] <titaniumone> bur[n] er, no and i don't want one because this is an old slow machine. i have TorrentFlux so i can control it easily (php interface) and torrentflux is working fine but it uses btdownloadcurses, which isn't working :O
[04:27] <FuzzyGhost> Hi, I was wonder what I'd have to do to configure Ubuntu 5.04 with an Nvidia card.
[04:27] <FuzzyGhost> "wondering" rather.
[04:28] <Viziri> Yeah, I did start the SUSE install just to get a feel for it. I stopped before partitioning. It did autodetect another Linux distro, and gave several options. I was unsure about which option to select
[04:28] <nalioth> FuzzyGhost: ubotu loves you
[04:28] <cafuego_> FuzzyGhost: install 'nvidia-glx'
[04:28] <gonti> "HARD DISK BOOT SECTOR INVALID. PRESS 'H' TO RETRY HARD DISK, ANY OTHER KEY FOR FLOPPY" CAN ANYONE HELP ME ??
[04:29] <CarlFK> gonti - that was from a default install?
[04:29] <gonti> carlFC - yes
[04:29] <oneseventeen> does ubuntu come with a firewall by default?
[04:29] <candlelight> FuzzyGhost: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[04:29] <CarlFK> oneseventeen - yes - the "no open ports policy" firewall ;)
[04:29] <nalioth> candlelight: please dont do that
[04:30] <oneseventeen> CarlFK: how would I open a port then?
[04:30] <cafuego_> !+ubuntuguide
[04:30] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[04:30] <CarlFK> oneseventeen - it depends on what service you want others to access
[04:30] <nalioth> cafuego_: you need to drop a line or two into the bot to tell you if it's just sent the same factoid to the same user
[04:30] <candlelight> nalioth: ic.
[04:31] <oneseventeen> I want my irc chat to do whatever it needs to do to connect to the "ident server" for quakenet
[04:31] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: On a normal install, you simply install the service, the port would be closed otherwise.
[04:31] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: Just install an identd.
[04:31] <nalioth> cafuego_: cuz nowadays i msg the bot to send folks factoids
[04:31] <noddaba> is it possible to use the install cd as a boot cd?
[04:31] <cafuego_> nalioth: it's perl
[04:31] <lunitik> cafuego: haha... I've been basically stating what that factoid says for like a year now... since the first incarnation of ubuntuguide .... no one listened to me though  :(
[04:31] <gusto5> noddaba, bot into?
[04:31] <cafuego_> nalioth; You could do !bot tell victim -about factoid
[04:32] <cafuego_> nalioth: that way anyone cna see you've done it
[04:32] <oneseventeen> cafuego_: is there anything I should google for specifically to figure out how to install an identd?
[04:32] <CarlFK> noddaba - kinda.  you can Alt-F2 to get to a prompt
[04:32] <noddaba> gusto5, to boot into a partition that has Ubuntu installed on it.
[04:32] <orospakr> can I configure a tap device in /etc/network/interfaces?
[04:32] <cafuego_> oneseventeen: 'apt-cache search identd' - pick one, install it.
[04:32] <nalioth> cafuego_: tryin to keep the level of crap down in the channel
[04:32] <gusto5> noddaba, what is installed on your other partitions?
[04:32] <cafuego_> nalioth; yeah, but we can't just ban the entire US.
[04:32] <lunitik> !bot tell me about stuff #test
[04:32] <ubotu> lunitik: Do they come in packets of five?
[04:33] <nalioth> cafuego_: ban?
[04:33] <bimberi> rofl
[04:33] <vader1102> lol
[04:33] <cafuego_> nalioth (it woul dkeep the crap down ;-)
[04:33] <nalioth> cafuego_: just a line or 2 so ubotu tells you that the factoid was just sent to the user you want it sent to, also
[04:34] <cafuego_> nalioth: Yeah, that would require hashes and timers... in perl...
[04:34] <vader1102> vader1102, is allways lost
[04:34] <noddaba> Windows installed on one drive, Ubuntu on another.  trying to help out a friend, and basically he blew away grub.  I know w/ the debian install cd's, i could also use them as boot cd's too... but apparently not with Ubuntu?
[04:34] <oneseventeen> cafuego_ : is there an identd you would recocomend?
[04:34] <lunitik> cafuego: yeah... that last suggestion would be good... or even, only a message telling you if it didn't work... usually, we issue others factoids that we know the content of  ;)
[04:34] <CarlFK> gonti - so the box boots, and no mention of grub?
[04:34] <bimberi> nalioth: and it still won't prevent 5 people from doing "/msg ubotu tell...", whereas one line in the channel does
[04:34] <Paganini> Noddaba, yeah, Windows is annoying like that.
[04:35] <Paganini> The Hoary install disk will boot.
[04:35] <noddaba> he's new to Linux, so showing him how to fix it may be over his head, so I was hoping there was something he could do without having to reinstall again
[04:35] <noddaba> until he had more time to learn the right way, that is
[04:35] <gusto5> hmm thats a toughy
[04:35] <gusto5> he may have to reinstall
[04:35] <noddaba> Paganini, I tried doing "Linux boot=/dev/hda1", that didn't work.  it panicked
[04:35] <noddaba> Paganini, from the install cd, that is
[04:36] <gusto5> noddaba, what windows version?
[04:36] <noddaba> XP, i believe
[04:36] <Paganini> Noddaba, try this page:
[04:36] <Paganini> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[04:36] <nalioth> then whats the point of /msg ubotu blah?
[04:36] <nalioth> Paganini: please dont do that
[04:36] <Milk_> anyone know of a super secret (meaning I can't find one) GOOD wysiwyg editor that can handle php?
[04:37] <nalioth> !tell Paganini about ubuntuguide
[04:37] <Paganini> It worked for me last week.
[04:37] <nalioth> noddaba: here ya go https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows0
[04:37] <Paganini> Scuse me nalioth, ubuntuguide is what I personally used last week to fix the exact problem he's asking about.
[04:37] <Paganini> And a set of instructions is exactly what he just requested to help his noob friend out.
[04:37] <cafuego_> Paganini: Yes, it WORKS, but do you know WHY ?
[04:38] <Paganini> In fact, yes.
[04:38] <furic> Milk_: DO NOT write php in a wysiwyg editor.
[04:38] <cafuego_> Milk_: There are no good wysiwyg editors in Linux.
[04:38] <candlelight> Paganini: haha... me used the guide as a quick fix too
[04:38] <franlopez> hi there, i'm having a dumb problem... i've installed the ubuntu based system (it was great and worked out all of my hardware) and i used apt to install DeMuDi as is indicated on their website (demudi.agnula.org)... but now i don't know what to do... has anyone done this? or can at least someone tell me where it has been installed and how can i run it? (i'm guessing it's some kind of install software)... (i know it's not exactly an ubu
[04:38] <noddaba> thanks guys
[04:38] <CarlFK> milk_ have you seen.. nvu i think it is called?
[04:39] <cafuego_> CarlFK: Like I said.. ;-)
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> yes nvu
[04:39] <wickedpuppy> dreamweaver clone
[04:39] <cafuego_> nvu is a modified mozilla composer
[04:39] <Milk_> I don't write the PHP in a wysiwyg
[04:39] <nalioth> Paganini: if you are an experienced *nix user, there's nothing wrong with the guide, but if you are new to *nix, it can lead to system failure
[04:39] <CarlFK> cafuego_ - nvu isn't worth messing with?
[04:39] <Milk_> I write the HTML and layout in a wysiwyg, then come back in code it out
[04:39] <Milk_> nvu is horrible
[04:39] <cafuego_> CarlFK: I found it irritating and slow; rather stick to vi.
[04:39] <nalioth> talking to myself
[04:40] <Milk_> if you name your files .php, it won't open it
[04:40] <candlelight> Milk_: try vi?
[04:40] <Paganini> *sigh*
[04:40] <Paganini> Sorry about that.
[04:40] <Milk_> candlelight, not really wysiwyg is it?
[04:40] <nalioth> CarlFK: cafuego_ and i prefer text mode html editing
[04:40] <nalioth> Paganini: if you are an experienced *nix user, there's nothing wrong with the guide, but if you are new to *nix, it can lead to system failure
[04:40] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, .... you got any extra programs ?
[04:40] <oneseventeen> hmmm... I installed pidentd and I still can't connect to quakenet
[04:40] <candlelight> Milk_: oh... nope
[04:40] <CarlFK> I like mamboserver ;)
[04:40] <furic> Milk_: Learn html, stop relying on wysiwyg, your files will be smaller, consume less bandwidth, work better in search engines, and work correctly in text browsers if you do
[04:40] <aru> we dont recommend the guide to anyone in here
[04:40] <cafuego_> nalioth: Oh no, I don't dislike dreamweaver, it's just that nvu is no dreamweaver
[04:41] <furic> Whats so bad about ubuntuguide?
[04:41] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: nope, just the "server" instalation of ubuntu... and the i went right away to download demudi
[04:41] <nalioth> cafuego_: i've never used dreamweaver or hotmetalpro or any of that rot
[04:41] <Milk_> furic, I've been designing html for 10 years, I can do it all in tags, but I'm also a good layout designer and want to see what it looks like.. so its a preference
[04:41] <nalioth> cafuego_: i prefer my thyroidally challenged text editors
[04:41] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: nope, just the "server" instalation of ubuntu... and then i went right away to download demudi
[04:41] <cafuego_> nalioth: I've used dreamweaver on and off since version 2. Of course, back when I started with html, I used bbedit lite.
[04:42] <Milk_> I'm trying to ween myself off of DW
[04:42] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, i don't see any documentations there either ... and i see you are in their chan ... ask if any of them are dev ?
[04:42] <aru> Milk_: doesn't DW run in crossover office :)
[04:42] <nalioth> cafuego_: i started out with a text editor (disguised as a web browser)
[04:42] <Milk_> regardless.... Lets answer my question... is there a good Wysiwyg thats native to linux that can handle my php needs as well?
[04:42] <Paganini> Nalioth: Just having linux can lead to system failure. Even if you are an experienced *ix user! ;)
[04:42] <nalioth> cafuego_: then dumped the browser
[04:42] <Milk_> aru, I tried it a year or so ago and it wasn't good

[04:42] <oneseventeen> aru: I heard DW MX 2004 won't work in crossover
[04:42] <nalioth> Paganini: yes, i agree, but the guide is not too well explained
[04:42] <Paganini> Anyway.
[04:42] <cafuego_> nalioth: yeah, bbedit lite is a text editor
[04:43] <jsubl2> Milk_, i like kdewebdev
[04:43] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: i've posted a similar question, but had no answer... adn ther's no activity going on on that channel...
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> Milk_, no idea about wysiwyg ... but for php you can try eclipse
[04:43] <Milk_> it techincally "Runs" but not well
[04:43] <oneseventeen> Milk_: I'm about to buy Zend's own Development Environment "Zend Studio"
[04:43] <nalioth> cafuego_: yes i know what it is, (it costs money)
[04:43] <Milk_> I'm using blue fish for the php.. and I LOVE it
[04:43] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, then i guess you could email those guys ??
[04:43] <cafuego_> nalioth; My wife swears by it; she would leave OSX if only they'd port bbedit to Linux
[04:43] <oneseventeen> Milk_ other than that, I haven't found a good php editor
[04:43] <nalioth> cafuego_: bbedit does do nice things
[04:44] <CarlFK> cafuego - swears by what?
[04:44] <Milk_> jsubl2, what is the menu name for kdewebdev?
[04:44] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: i've tryed that... but i'm running out of time... the question is, do i have a way to know where has that package been installed?
[04:44] <cafuego_> my clients are on crack, this domain is SO not available
[04:44] <cafuego_> CarlFK: BBEdit
[04:44] <cafuego_> She even has teh t-shirt
[04:44] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, try synaptic ... you can find out installed packages from there
[04:44] <CarlFK> heh
[04:45] <franlopez> wickedpuppy: and how should i do that?
[04:45] <jsubl2> Milk_, it used to be quanta but got renamed it is part of the kde environment --  sudo apt-cache search kdewebdev
[04:45] <wickedpuppy> franlopez, you got no x ?
[04:45] <wickedpuppy> synaptic comes default with ubuntu
[04:45] <aru> dude
[04:45] <aru> System > Administration > Synaptic
[04:45] <Paganini> So, thanks to the Fool's help, my modem driver's now work! If only it would connect to whatever I dial. I think my chatscript must be screwy. Does anyone know of any recent pertinent info sources for this?
[04:46] <franlopez> wickedpuddy: nope, i have no x...
[04:46] <wickedpuppy> ah thought so ...
[04:46] <titaniumone> is it possible something in ubuntu is blocking bittorrent?
[04:46] <aru> scratch my idea
[04:46] <titaniumone> i've never used it before and nothing will work, i can't connect to trackers/peers
[04:46] <CarlFK> titaniumone - no.
[04:46] <wickedpuppy> titaniumone, i think firewall .. blcking 6881
[04:46] <Milk_> jsubl2, apt is saying its installed
[04:46] <Milk_> I do have quantas installed
[04:46] <bimberi> franlopez: dpkg -L demudi (sp?) will show what files have been installed
[04:46] <titaniumone> i have 6881-6889 forwarded and im using btdownloadcurses --minport --maxport
[04:46] <jsubl2> Milk_, try it
[04:47] <nalioth> titaniumone: titaniumone just dmz your machine
[04:47] <jsubl2> Milk_, I like anjuta also..  but for me I think quanta as and edge or two
[04:47] <franlopez> thanks bimber!
[04:47] <bimberi> franlopez: dpkg -L demudi | grep bin       will show you likely executables
[04:47] <Milk_> quantas just has a preview right? not an actual wysiwyg
[04:47] <bimberi> franlopez: yw :)
[04:47] <jsubl2> Milk_, yes
[04:47] <CarlFK> titaniumone - even if you are totaly blocked, you should get something
[04:48] <titaniumone> just DMZ'd, trying again
[04:48] <franlopez> okay, thank you guys, i'll try that... bye
[04:48] <Milk_> I may have to load DW up in vmware
[04:48] <nalioth> Milk_: if you just need a preview, use a browser
[04:48] <jsubl2> Milk_, so probably not exactly what you were asking for
[04:48] <titaniumone> sits at 'connecting to peers' still even DMZ'd. what in the dang hell
[04:49] <CarlFK> titaniumone - give me the URL to a torrent you are trying to use
[04:49] <Milk_> jsubl2, yea... not exactly, but I appreciate the thought
[04:49] <titaniumone> the bittornado.com windows installer torrent (just for the hell of testing)
[04:49] <CarlFK> that isn't a URL
[04:49] <titaniumone> okay hold on
[04:50] <titaniumone> http://download2.bittornado.com/download/BitTornado-0.3.7-w32install.exe.torrent
[04:50] <CarlFK> tx - somethign I can wget...
[04:50] <titaniumone> sits at connecting to peers
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> heh
[04:50] <hybrid_goth> download a torrent client via torrent
[04:51] <nalioth> titaniumone: are you connected directly or thru a router/switch?
[04:51] <titaniumone> oh it just started
[04:51] <titaniumone> it took a long time but it's working now
[04:51] <aru> heh
[04:51] <titaniumone> okay perhaps it is my router -- i'm DMZ'd right now
[04:51] <titaniumone> any suggestions on what ports to forward aside from 6881-6889 TCP?
[04:51] <nalioth> titaniumone: you're running linux atm, right?
[04:51] <titaniumone> ubuntu
[04:51] <oneseventeen> I've installed pidentd, and my router port forwards 113 to my laptop, but I still can't connect to quakenet, any ideas?
[04:51] <nalioth> titaniumone: then you can leave your box dmz'd b/c you have little to worry about
[04:52] <nalioth> titaniumone: you might wish to visit portforward.com
[04:52] <titaniumone> nalioth, there are 4 other computers on the network which need to have things forwarded to them, i'd rather not
[04:52] <titaniumone> dmz'ing is a pretty bad solution :/
[04:52] <nalioth> titaniumone: then visit portforward.com
[04:52] <CarlFK> titaniumone - forget that.  something is hosed.  I am not forwarding any BT ports, and i just got the whole file
[04:52] <ohphracku> when i export my bookmarks from firefox, move them to floppy, then try to open the file i get a warning about "Cannot open bookmarks.html"
[04:52] <titaniumone> nalioth, dmzed or undmzed?
[04:52] <ohphracku> funny stuff
[04:53] <CarlFK> titaniumone - 30 seeds, 0 peers.
[04:53] <_derek> bob2: gdm still freezes for me with logging in as failsafe xterm
[04:53] <nalioth> titaniumone: turn off the dmz, and visit portforward.com
[04:53] <BrianDo> wow, the rescue function works wonders!
[04:53] <nalioth> titaniumone: or leave it dmz'd, it really doesnt matter
[04:53] <titaniumone> CarlFK, it just downloaded okay will i was in dmz mode on my router. turning dmz back on now to test again
[04:54] <CarlFK> um, in dmz <> on dmz?
[04:54] <CarlFK> not that it really matters...
[04:54] <cyphase> hey everyone
[04:55] <absenth> ok, that might be too easy
[04:55] <absenth> I just got a PentiumM / Centrino based system and wireless configuration at the ascii boot is just too cool.
[04:56] <qt2> absenth, why's it cool? hard to get going?
[04:56] <absenth> qt2: last time I tried to get wireless running in linux, I got my first half dozen grey hairs.
[04:56] <qt2> ahuman01, heh.
[04:56] <titaniumone> okay with DMZ on, i could download bittornado's installer; with it off i just sit at 'connecting to peer's. gluahg
[04:57] <titaniumone> i suck at linux :-(
[04:58] <CarlFK> titaniumone - something is wacked.  can that box connect to anything on the net? (like irc, web....)(
[04:58] <absenth> titaniumone: heh, just remember you sucked at windows once too.
[04:59] <titaniumone> CarlFK, the ubuntu box? yes i have apache, ftp, mysql, ssh, freenx all running/forwarded and working fine.
[04:59] <CarlFK> titaniumone - I just did btdownloadcurses.py BitTornado-0.3.7-w32install.exe.torrent
[04:59] <CarlFK> titaniumone, but can a client connect from that box to a server the net?
[04:59] <oneseventeen> does anyone here use zend studio on their ubuntu box?
[05:00] <titaniumone> CarlFK, yes, i'm talking from it right now in xchat
[05:00] <titaniumone> CarlFK, with my router in DMZ to the ubuntu machine, i could do that as well. worked after a 10 second pause or so. with DMZ off i can't download anymore, so i think it's port related, but i'm forwarding 6881-6889 and 10000-10004 tcp and udp to this machine.
[05:01] <nalioths_dog> titaniumone, did you follow the recommendations on portforward.com?
[05:01] <CarlFK> titaniumone - try getting rid of the port forwaring.  that helps BT, but isn't required
[05:01] <titaniumone> nalioths_dog, yes, that is where i got those ports from
[05:01] <titaniumone> CarlFK, ok ill turn it off completely
[05:02] <franlopez> hello. i have the ubuntu base system installed. i have installed demudi (demudi.agnula.org) using apt and now i have to run tasksel to install it. according to them, i should just write "tasksel" on my command line. when i do that, i get an error msg (wich states that there's no "tasksel" command)... can anyone help me?
[05:03] <titaniumone> no luck, still can't download
[05:03] <CarlFK> titaniumone - same command (no switches)?
[05:03] <nalioth> franlopez: is tasksel in your $PATH?
[05:03] <FatDarrel> what is the problem
[05:04] <titaniumone> CarlFK, just btdownloadcurses filename
[05:04] <vader1102> titaniumone,  just a question....have you recently updated the system?
[05:04] <franlopez> nalioth: what? (sorry, i'm, kinda new in the linux world)
[05:04] <titaniumone> vader1102, no
[05:04] <vader1102> CarlFK, do you think that might help titaniumone ?
[05:04] <nalioth> franlopez: programs in linux (and in windows, but not so visibly) are all found by the system along $PATHs
[05:05] <CarlFK> titaniumone - try in #bittorrent
[05:05] <CarlFK> vader1102 - I am out of ideas for titaniumone
[05:05] <nalioth> franlopez: programs not in the path need to be run by putting a ./ in front of hte command (like so "./cal")
[05:05] <deFrysk> err isnt demudi not an other distro ?
[05:05] <vader1102> CarlFK,  ok....thought maybe that may throw another idea your way
[05:05] <FatDarrel> nalioth, or the full path like /home/user/bin/file2run
[05:06] <titaniumone> #bittorrent gave up on me too. :)
[05:06] <franlopez> nalioth: ok, so, you mean i should find the path for tasksel and run it from there?
[05:06] <nalioth> franlopez: did you see what FatDarrel just said?
[05:06] <CarlFK> titaniumone - what are you using for a NATfirewall thing?
[05:06] <franlopez> yep, jus read it...
[05:06] <nalioth> franlopez: nope, FatDarrel gave you a clue, you need to FIND tasksel first
[05:06] <titaniumone> CarlFK, linksys router
[05:07] <CarlFK> titaniumone - weid.
[05:07] <franlopez> nalioth: so i should llok for tasksel and then run it... but it's supoosed to be on the system, right?
[05:07] <vader1102> my boss said his linksys wouldn't let him do BT either
[05:07] <titaniumone> i get "error(s):[00:07:08]  Problem connecting to tracker " when i try to connect with the newest btdownloadcurses.py
[05:07] <absenth> how difficult is it going to be to get my SD memory card reader to work in ubuntu?
[05:07] <titaniumone> instantly
[05:07] <FatDarrel> franlopez, yes you can try locate to find it or use the find command
[05:07] <vader1102> he had to get a different router, that fixed it but haven't heard anything other than that one
[05:07] <FatDarrel> franlopez, there is a way to search the apt database to find the pkg that installed application and where it installed it
[05:07] <franlopez> fatdarrel and nalioth: tanhks, i'll try that...
[05:08] <Buuyo^> Hi. I have a wireless card and an ethernet card that I want to bridge together
[05:08] <Buuyo^> I'm comfortable editing the /etc/network/interfaces file
[05:08] <CarlFK>  absenth - depends on the reader.  some you just need to plug in and wait a few seconds
[05:08] <Buuyo^> but how do I tell the wireless card what essid and key to use?
[05:08] <Buuyo^> if it's bridged I mean
[05:08] <franlopez> thanks, i'll go try that, bye
[05:09] <CarlFK> Buuyo^ - define "bridged"
[05:09] <nalioth> franlopez: depending on how it was installed, it may or may not be in the $PATH
[05:09] <absenth> CarlFK: thanks....  as soon as the install finishes we'll see how it goes.
[05:09] <Buuyo^> CarlFK: brctl addr br1; brctl addif br1 eth2; brctl addif br1 eth3;   kind of bridged