[02:22] <hallyn> cyphermox: hey!  any hints for debugging wpa_supplicant refusing to connect to a hotspot (blackberry passport) which a (linux-based) nokia n9 and a windows laptop can both connect to?
[02:22] <hallyn> (i've tried both 4.4 and 4.8 kernels;  xenial host)
[09:35] <xnox> do we care about tagging things ubuntu/1-1ubuntu1 or debian/1-1ubuntu1 ?
[09:35] <xnox> it seems like most tools default to debian/, and don't always work automatically with ubuntu/ tags.
[09:35] <xnox> apw, rbasak, slangasek, opinion? ^
[09:36] <rbasak> xnox: tagging where?
[09:36] <xnox> debcommit --release in git
[09:36] <xnox> it seems to hardcode debian/ prefix for non-native packages.
[09:36] <rbasak> Right. In which repository though?a
[09:37] <xnox> lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/+git/systemd
[09:37] <xnox> but i'm more concerned generically as well.
[09:37] <rbasak> I see.
[09:37]  * xnox has not use the server team tooling yet.
[09:37]  * rbasak ponders
[09:37] <xnox> and e.g. gbp dch -> defaults to debian/%(version)s
[09:37] <cjwatson> it's still the debian/ directory
[09:38] <rbasak> Where uploaders maintain a separate git repository, we have plans for integration but aren't doing it yet.
[09:38] <xnox> however i think it should be debian|ubuntu/%(version)s
[09:38] <cjwatson> and versions already have to not clash
[09:38] <rbasak> But also, we allow you to do what you want - the importer won't care and won't use your tags.
[09:38] <xnox> not true for native packages though. we have a few native packages (ubuntu-specific, mostly) that don't have ubuntuX suffix
[09:39] <xnox> i have been using ubuntu/* tags, but i'm now pondering if my manual efforts were futile.
[09:39] <rbasak> Note that http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep14/ calls for <vendor>/<version>
[09:40] <rbasak> It might be reasonable to file bugs for tooling which cannot follow that by configuring the vendor.
[09:40] <xnox> right. i'm pondering to update tooling to handle things transperantly. yeah.
[09:40] <xnox> thanks.
[10:56] <ogra_> abeato, i guess for bug 1692494 getting a review from infinity would be good
[10:56] <abeato> ogra_, yup
[10:56] <ogra_> (so we can have it in-distro to not need to puch it to the PPA for core)
[10:57] <ogra_> *push
[10:57] <abeato> ogra_, sure, it is something that can go there, I've also submitted upstream :)
[10:57] <ogra_> ah, k
[10:58] <abeato> http://www.zytor.com/pipermail/klibc/2017-May/003957.html (it is in Forwarded field in the patch)
[10:58] <ogra_> prefect :)
[14:36] <sil2100> cpaelzer: hey!
[14:38] <sil2100> cpaelzer: I'm reviewing the nagios SRUs right now and was wondering - since the author mentions this is also a security issue, were there any plans on getting it to -security?
[14:38] <sil2100> cpaelzer: e.g. was that reviewed by the security team, or maybe it's -updates only?
[14:38] <sil2100> (depends if its -security worthy)
[14:43] <sil2100> cpaelzer: anyway, for now I'm getting this to -updates
[14:54] <cpaelzer> hi sil2100
[14:54] <cpaelzer> sil2100: it is updates only
[14:54] <sil2100> ACK, got it, thanks! Published
[14:54] <cpaelzer> sil2100: it didn't pass my barrier of real-security fix
[14:54] <cpaelzer> sil2100: and usually the sec's team limit is higher
[14:54] <cpaelzer> than mine
[14:54] <cpaelzer> sil2100: thanks for asking
[15:10] <fallentree> Hello, could someone take a peek at  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1690796? I've hit that too, and it appears to be a problem with pagefaults caused when swapping which results in owning those pages crashing or hanging. Sounds pretty severe.
[15:11] <fallentree> Namely: kernel BUG at /build/linux-lz1RHE/linux-4.10.0/include/linux/swapops.h:129!
[15:12] <fallentree> /owning/processes owning/
[15:13] <fallentree> I had a pagefile (default on recent 17.04 installation), and have since moved it to a swap partition. So far so good. It appears both the reporter and I use swap over LUKS containers (though mine was a pagefile, so extra layer: ext4)
[15:14] <fallentree> But looking at the reporter's attached files, they use a partition as well, but over LVM. So I'm guessing the layering is triggering the pagefault (sw over LVM over LUKS, and swfile over ext4 over LUKS)
[15:16] <fallentree> s/pagefile/swapfile   (sorry, long day)
[15:38] <psusi> say, who do you tell about a broken mirror?  bug #1692546 shows apt got forbidden trying to fetch packages, and when I browse to http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/ubuntu/dists/, I get forbidden as well
[15:46] <cjwatson> psusi: #ubuntu-mirrors to start with; failing that<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:01] <sil2100> !dmb-ping
[19:19] <sil2100> !dmb-ping
[19:30] <nacc> rbasak: are ok with me pushing my branch then, presuming all your comments are addressed?
[19:32] <rbasak> nacc: yes. I intended that the first time, sorry.
[19:32] <nacc> rbasak: no problem, i just wanted to confirm with you directly
[23:59] <nacc> rbasak: branch pushed, fyi


[03:32] <malaphus> Hi guys, I'm trying to add a logo to lightdm, in past versions (12.04) i just added a logo=/path/to/logo.png to /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf, but that doesn't seem to be working in 14.04
[04:33] <genoobie> phillw, you still here?
[04:55] <bjrohan> Hello. I just installed lubuntu on a friends old Latitude D520.  In the package manager I can not find wine. I tried sudo apt-get install wine, it said that it was unable to locate the package. what am I missing?
[04:56] <bjrohan> I also tried sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer for the wireless per the log file, and same unable to find message. I do have an internet connection
[04:56] <Unit193> bjrohan: Try refreshing the sources list,  apt-get update  first.
[04:57] <Unit193> Otherwise, you'd have to enable universe if it's for some reason disabled.
[04:59] <bjrohan> Unit193: under the Ubuntu Software, all4 are checked (Canonical-supported, Comunity Maintained, etc). I am currently updating the sources
[05:01] <bjrohan> Unit193: The update worked, thank you very much
[05:01] <Unit193> bjrohan: Sure thing.
[05:50] <bjrohan> Help. My fresh install of Lubuntu on a Lattitude D520 went well, sans the wireless. I followed the instructions here, installing sta drivers, rebooted, and now I have no connection, not even ethernet, please help
[05:50] <bjrohan> file:///var/tmp/kdecache-bjrohan/krun/19673_0_bcm43xx
[05:50] <bjrohan> oops
[05:51] <bjrohan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[10:58] <Junka> hi
[10:58] <Junka> can i have a copy of lubuntu-rc.xml
[11:35] <wad> I have a problem with my lubuntu distro.
[11:36] <silverlion> wad : what kind of?
[11:36] <wad> It refuses to detect my ethernet hardware.
[11:36] <Junka> how rude
[11:37] <wad> I can't put anything on it. and I can't connect to the internet via the machine.
[11:37] <wad> My question is, how many times to I have to stab my motherboard with a stanley knife for it to work?
[11:38] <silverlion> wad : normally not even one time
[11:38] <silverlion> have you tried another ethernet cable?
[11:38] <wad> I need it to do as it is told about 6 hours ago.
[11:38] <silverlion> did the current cable work on another machine?
[11:38] <wad> I only have one cable. It is currently plugged into this machine.
[11:38] <wad> Which is a windows 8 laptop.
[11:39] <silverlion> and there it works I assume, ok
[11:39] <wad> Yes.
[11:39] <wad> But it does not on lubuntu.
[11:39] <silverlion> I'm currently in my office so no lubuntu available
[11:39] <silverlion> nevertheless I'm going to try to help you
[11:40] <wad> The drive is pulled from another computer that had lubuntu, I think the problem lies within the fact that is not detecting the hardware correctly due to the fact that it is completely different.
[11:40] <wad> It was on a failing core 2 duo board, about 7 years old If I recall correctly.
[11:41] <wad> It has been moved up to a recent(ish) i5, generation 2 board.
[11:41] <wad> And it refuses to work.
[11:41] <silverlion> wad : there might be a problem
[11:41] <wad> Please do tell.
[11:41] <silverlion> can you give me 5 mins to rejoin from another computer?
[11:42] <wad> No problem.
[11:42] <wad> *resumes vibrating on chair*
[11:42] <silverlion> I'll try to make lubuntu available for me to be able to help you
[11:42] <silverlion> brb
[11:44] <silverlion> here we go ^^
[11:45] <wad> okay
[11:45] <phillw> I'm off out, should Junka re-join, his requested info is at http://pastebin.com/9Xi1Hz7F
[11:45] <silverlion> hang on a sec. phone
[11:47] <silverlion> wad
[11:47] <silverlion> you there?
[11:47] <wad> Yes
[11:47] <silverlion> are you currently on your win 8 laptop?
[11:48] <wad> Yes
[11:48] <silverlion> ok, we do need to copy the preferences for your ethernet
[11:48] <silverlion> you know how that works?
[11:48] <wad> Oh boy
[11:48] <wad> I think so
[11:49] <wad> When i attempt to make a manual connection in lubuntu I don't get any eth0 listed or anything.
[11:49] <silverlion> we do especially need the settings for IPv4
[11:49] <silverlion> have you tried to set up a connection by hand already?
[11:49] <silverlion> by typing in the adress and subnet mask?
[11:50] <wad> Not really
[11:50] <wad> I will copy over the details now
[11:51] <silverlion> and if that does not work we go try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged_Wired_Network
[11:51] <wad> Do I have to select a device MAC address in lubuntu? there is nothing to select there.
[11:52] <wad> I have run a couple of config utilities I cannot recall the names of and none of them pick up any hardware.
[11:54] <silverlion> normally not
[11:54] <wad> It's not letting me save the configuration in the network setup menu.
[11:55] <silverlion> have you tried the link i posted?
[11:55] <wad> Hold on, I gotta switch over the mouse again(laptop trackpad decided not to work after i installed new hardware)
[11:56] <silverlion> I'm here ^^
[11:58] <wad> I'm at the step "Remove or comment the two lines under "The primary network interface"." I have opened the file and the interfaces have already been removed.
[11:59] <wad> Also I already have managed set to true
[12:00] <silverlion> wad can I be honest with you?
[12:00] <wad> By all means do so.
[12:02] <silverlion> wad: after what you have told me it seems that your installation of Lubuntu is not intact
[12:02] <wad> Hooray
[12:02] <silverlion> i have the slight feeling that your cd/usb is corrupted
[12:02] <wad> I have another drive, with lubuntu on it that does the exact same thing.
[12:03] <wad> Two hard drives, same lubuntu version, Same problem.
[12:03] <silverlion> I guess the download you took to burn / create the installation from is corrupted
[12:04] <wad> One is the old 2.5" out of this laptop, that I had upgraded to an SSD and the other is a 3.5" from an old optima computer. Both had working ethernet before I switched up the hardware.
[12:05] <silverlion> yeah ... what I am talking about is the iso file you've downloaded to install Lubuntu
[12:05] <wad> Oh great!
[12:05] <wad> I do believe they are from the same file.
[12:05] <silverlion> see ^^
[12:06] <silverlion> because you told me that on this win 8 laptop everything works fine, right?
[12:06] <wad> But that does not really explain how both copies would work flawlessly up until now.
[12:06] <silverlion> only lubuntu is not able to connect
[12:06] <wad> Yes basically.
[12:07] <silverlion> I'd advise you to wait a day or two until our 14.04.1 LTS release is out
[12:07] <silverlion> try to take a server close to your location and burn another copy of Lubuntu
[12:07] <wad> I would still be faced with my current problem.
[12:07] <wad> I can't burn anything. I don't have access to removable media.
[12:07] <silverlion> USB Flash?
[12:08] <wad> Nope.
[12:08] <silverlion> that's bad
[12:08] <silverlion> because I have to admit that my ideas are out now
[12:08] <silverlion> I'd have no other ones to test things out
[12:08] <silverlion> :(
[12:08] <wad> I live in deep country, about 4 hours drive to technology. I have satellite internet.
[12:09] <wad> Stanley knife?
[12:09] <silverlion> wad: no knives pls ;)
[12:10] <wad> I have a broken windows install on one of the drives, I might just rewrite the kernel by hand, by tapping two wires together.
[12:11] <silverlion> wad: I am no hacker ^^ I normally do the public affairs for lubuntu ^¹^ so I cant tell you what to do now ... sorry ...
[12:11] <wad> Higher tech than how I start my motherboard :P That involves shorting out pins.
[12:12] <silverlion> afk
[12:12] <wad> I have an ancient DSL ethernet board that fits into one of my PCI slots, I might give that a whirl.
[12:20] <genoobie> good morning all
[12:20] <genoobie> phillw, are you here?
[12:21] <genoobie> My wireless "fixed itself", I'd like to report the issue, but not sure, exactly how it became "fixed"
[12:21] <genoobie> I'll stop back later
[14:17] <phillw> genoobie: as long as it is working :P
[15:11] <MeXTuX> How can I change login screen resolution?
[15:19] <bollo> MeXTuX, create a display script with arandr and use display-setup-script in lightdm.conf
[16:06] <lucas_21> Hi everyone! I need a little bit help. I have modprobe kmod version 15 and... It doesn't have the option -l. What's the way to list all the modules of the kernel? thanks in advance.
[16:20] <lucas_21> #ubuntu
[16:48] <genoobie> phillw, are you here?
[16:49] <phillw> genoobie: I'm lurking :)
[16:49] <genoobie> well you saw my post re:wireless
[16:50] <phillw> yes :)
[16:50] <genoobie> okay, so the "deal" was this, but I still haven't figured out the problem
[16:50] <genoobie> there was some rfkill switch silliness that was addressed early on
[16:50] <genoobie> then I started to check the adapter and I recalled that it work in kernel 3.0 (or so)
[16:51] <genoobie> in lubuntu 11
[16:51] <genoobie> so I booted puppy linux, (3.0.25) and set up the wireless
[16:51] <genoobie> that verified the card was working
[16:51] <genoobie> so then I rebooted puppy and "voila"
[16:52] <genoobie> here's what I noticed and maybe you could point me to the right channel, etc.
[16:52] <genoobie> every time I did rfkill commands, there was some output like 3: phy0: Wireless LAN
[16:52] <genoobie> slowly, that leftmost number started to increment down, don't know why.
[16:52] <phillw> it could be that the driver is not in the ubuntu kernel. But my battles with kernel are painful :)
[16:53] <genoobie> finally, we are at "0: phy0: Wireless LAN"
[16:53] <genoobie> and now this is the scenario that works
[16:53] <genoobie> so my guess is they are somehow related
[16:53] <genoobie> the "scan" always produced no results even though the adapter was "up
[16:53] <genoobie> *up
[16:54] <genoobie> anyhow,  any ideas?  I imagine this is a kind of bug report?  Booting into puppy linux and having it work is probably unrelated to the "fix"
[16:54] <phillw> wifi should turn up on either lsusb or lspci (usually lsusb)
[16:54] <genoobie> yep, reported in lspi
[16:54] <genoobie> lspci
[16:55] <genoobie> I did throw a couple "options" on to the ath5k driver, nohwcrypt and no_hw_rfkill_switch
[16:55] <phillw> genoobie: what is the make / model that lspci reports?
[16:56] <genoobie> 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:001c] (rev 01)
[16:56] <genoobie> now, let me add one other thing
[16:56] <genoobie> when I did the iwlist wlan0 scan command in cli
[16:56] <genoobie> it reported no networks
[16:57] <genoobie> so it's not the gui that is suspect
[16:57] <phillw> does http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath5k not have information on what driver you need?
[16:58] <genoobie> phillw, not sure what this means "*** = PCI-E Lite = No SuperA/G"
[16:58] <genoobie> so it cannot access some chip features
[16:58] <phillw> genoobie: ahh.. may have found it... http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/component/pci/168c%3A001c/
[16:59] <genoobie> well it is the ath5k driver for sure
[16:59] <genoobie> so it wasn't a "driver" issue per se
[16:59] <genoobie> did quite a few modprobe -r ath5k modprobe ath5k commands
[17:00] <genoobie> but I think the enumeration / indexing was the problem
[17:00] <genoobie> not sure exactly what that output from rfkill meant as far as "3: phy0: Wireless LAN"
[17:00] <phillw> I cannot 'play' with that, as I don't have the actual hardware.... but you can see it has been got working
[17:01] <genoobie> yes, but quite by accident and if I reinstalled lubuntu, I wouldn't know how to "fix" it
[17:02] <phillw> genoobie: motto of the story?... take notes :P
[17:02] <genoobie> yes, but there was no "notes" to take
[17:02] <genoobie> all I noticed was that after booting pupplinx, the adapter worked
[17:02] <phillw> well, you did 'something' :P
[17:02] <genoobie> probably coincedence
[17:02] <genoobie> I don't know if I did though
[17:03] <phillw> quite possibly.. a poke in the ribs can wake up hardware :)
[17:03] <genoobie> so if I could find out why the enumeration on the rfkill command was incrementing down until "0" I would probably have the solution
[17:03] <genoobie> I suppose there could be like a "last" state
[17:03] <genoobie> or something
[18:23] <Odd0002> hello
[18:25] <Odd0002> I'd like to know how I can reduce cpu usage on boot: http://imagebin.org/316341
[18:25] <Odd0002> so that it boots faster
[18:25] <phillw> hi Odd0002 welcome to this little crazy area :)
[18:25] <phillw> Odd0002: what OS are you using?
[18:25] <Odd0002> lubuntu
[18:26] <Odd0002> it seems cpu is the limiting factor in my boot time
[18:26] <phillw> when initramfs is 1st built, you have ~ 30 seconds to log in for ureadahead to do its bit of setting up a contiguous area to boot from.
[18:27] <Odd0002> I switched to e4rat from ureadahead
[18:28] <phillw> Odd0002: then you would need to ask on their support area :)
[18:28] <Odd0002> but if you look at the boot log, my boot time is cpu bound after everything is loaded into ram...
[18:29] <phillw> Odd0002: you chose your boot manager, we do not use it.
[18:31] <Odd0002> I switched to e4rat to "defragment" the boot files (put them all together in one place)
[18:31] <Odd0002> I'll try without it preloading
[18:44] <Odd0002_> how many reboots does ureadahead need to profile a boot?
[18:45] <Odd0002_> *reboots a few times*
[20:59] <mikubuntu> while some video streams with great audio, i find that many are very difficult to hear even at full volume sets on the video, and the lubuntu soundbar as well. is there any kind of application that will boost the sound? here's the video i'm trying to hear: http://thefloridachannel.org/videos/72414-2nd-judicial-circuit-court-hearing-congressional-redistricting/
[21:11] <phillw> !pulseaudio
[21:12] <phillw> !pulseaudio | mikubuntu If I recall, this app allows you to go over the 100% limit.
[21:13] <mikubuntu> phillw: i'll try it, i've used it previously but i don't remember much about it
[21:16] <phillw> mikubuntu: you can also try out alsamixer ... sound is more a black art than a science :)
[21:18] <phillw> use what is best for you.... mikubuntu have a read of http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=334
[23:34] <malaphus> can you not use a custom logo with lightdm-gtk-greeter anymore?
[23:34] <ianorlin> on the session screen?
[23:34] <malaphus> Yeah
[23:35] <ianorlin> for which session for lubuntu I don't know to change where it shows custom logo


[06:30] <DanChapman> good morning
[06:34] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[06:35] <DanChapman> hey elfy :-)
[07:07] <jibel> Good morning
[07:12] <elfy> hi jibel
[07:12] <jibel> morning elfy
[07:16] <DanChapman> gcollura: would you be able to review https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/117307/ and https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/117212/ if you have time today
[07:16] <DanChapman> oops wrong channel
[07:17] <DanChapman> morning jibel o/
[11:14] <pitti> jibel: I updated jenkins_config.xml.tmpl this morning to also include results/*-packages as artifacts; but apparently this hasn't been enabled for the recent jobs yet
[11:14] <pitti> jibel: I thought each new britney-induced job run would reconfigure the job?
[11:15] <pitti> jibel: at least I don't see *-packages in http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/trusty-adt-libproxy/configure (that just ran)
[11:54] <jibel> pitti, it must be pulled on tachash, which I just did.
[12:27] <maclin> hi, pitti, the translation of Chinese has been reviewed and uploaded, could you help to rebuild the language package so that we can do the test on latest image?
[12:33] <maclin> Carlos, wzssyqa, Aron and our translation team of Ubuntu Kylin have been working on this for days. Our quality team want to check that in usage so that we have time to make feedback before final release.
[12:42] <maclin> pitti, hi, I am maclin of Ubuntu Kylin,  the Chinese translation has been reviewed and uploaded, could you help to rebuild the language package so that we can do the test on latest image?
[12:52] <pitti> jibel: ah, merci
[12:52] <pitti> maclin: langpack updates are back on auto since yesterday, so they'll hit trusty soon
[12:58] <maclin> thanks pitti, I am not so familiar with the process of langpack. I wonder that is it able to be merged into trusty in the coming image ISO?
[12:59] <pitti> maclin: actually, the cron job just ran this morning
[13:00] <pitti> maclin: yes, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-zh-hans/1:14.04+20140401
[13:00] <pitti> maclin: that ought to have the latest data (from LP yesterday)
[13:00] <pitti> maclin: it'll go from -proposed into trusty in a few hours
[13:01] <pitti> it still needs some time until it gets built, there's a new KDE currently taking the buildds
[13:01]  * pitti -> off IRC again, sprint
[13:03] <maclin> pitti, thanks, I get it, it is nice of you:)
[13:58] <Psy_> Hi, anyone willing to help me roport two visual bugs on Trusty Beta. I dont know the packages to file upon.
[13:59] <Psy_> I need an opinion, also :P
[14:35] <elopio> ping rhuddie, I'm not sure why this hasn't run the jenkins tests
[14:35] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~rhuddie/gallery-app/photo_selector/+merge/208761
[14:35] <elopio> can you merge with trunk and push?
[14:36] <rhuddie> elopio, not sure why either... I'll do the merge now
[14:45] <rhuddie> elopio, done
[14:45] <elopio> rhuddie: can you review this one please? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/revert_open_preview/+merge/213771
[14:52] <rhuddie> elopio, I'm a bit confused what this line does: preview_list.x.wait_for(0)
[14:53] <elopio> rhuddie: that's something tsdgeos put. It's his way to check that the preview list is visible.
[14:53] <rhuddie> elopio, ok :)
[14:54] <elopio> I would like it to be clearer, but as things like preview_list.visible are always true, we don't have many options.
[15:45] <jibel> pitti, now that adt-run support *.packages, I think I can completely drop the rsync back from jenkins and collect the results directlry from the job artifacts
[15:45] <jibel> -r
[15:48] <pitti> jibel: oh, I suppose we sohuld also add testpkg-version, so that you don't have to parse this out of the full log?
[15:48] <pitti> jibel: oh nice, we can actually use *-packages? I wasn't aware that we do anything with that
[15:48] <jibel> pitti, yes that'd be great
[15:50] <jibel> pitti, with this, I can pull them into an incoming directory and feed britney to update the list of results
[15:50] <jibel> pitti, so the mechanism will be identical when we'll use queues
[15:51] <pitti> jibel: right, I added all this with the new spec in mind (and debci uses those)
[15:51] <pitti> jibel: so want me to add results/testpkg-version?
[15:51] <jibel> pitti, and I'm updating (slowly though :() the interface with britney with your spec in mind :)
[15:51] <jibel> pitti, yes if you can.
[15:52] <pitti> jibel: committed; how do I roll out to tachash? (or can I?)
[15:52] <jibel> pitti, I didn't find it in your spec, how do you guarantee that the right version are available before starting a test?
[15:52] <jibel> package indices might be out of sync
[15:52] <pitti> jibel: we can't guarantee it
[15:52] <jibel> between the system that request a test and the systems that execute them
[15:53] <pitti> jibel: at the moment we don't specify dependency versions in the request; we can add that if needed
[15:53] <jibel> okay
[15:53] <jibel> pitti, pulled r325
[15:53] <pitti> jibel: otherwise britney has to re-request the test
[15:54] <pitti> jibel: thanks (I rolled it out to wazn & friends, but I guess tachash is the crucial one)
[15:54] <jibel> pitti, for small package that's fine to re-request but for the big babies like libreoffice we cannot afford the cost of a re-request
[15:55] <pitti> jibel: ack; I'll add that to the spec; that would be like a request "trusty gtk+3.0 (3.1.2-1) eglibc (1.2.3-4)
[15:56] <pitti> jibel: and everything you specify needs to be at least that version, otherwise the test doesn't start?
[15:56] <pitti> jibel: that requires some adt-run support, otherwise we'd just have to do that looping on the worker node
[15:59] <jibel> pitti, right, something like this. But the version of the source package doesn't guarantee the binary packages are available yet.
[15:59] <jibel> pitti, could a worker consume a ticket and requeue it if it doesn't match certain criteria?
[15:59] <pitti> jibel: if we can specify binary packages, that's all the better of course
[15:59] <pitti> jibel: it can not ack it, but it will take some time to time out; but I'll think about that
[16:00] <jibel> pitti, if it does, adt-run could fail with specific exit status for unmet deps
[16:00] <pitti> jibel: right, that part is easy
[16:00] <pitti> jibel: I mean actively rejecting/requeueing the request
[16:00] <pitti> jibel: but it's certainly possible
[16:00] <jibel> s/unmet deps/required version are not there
[16:03] <jibel> pitti, I think it is not a problem in Debian yet but it is very frequent in Ubuntu because we trigger the tests as soon as a new version is uploaded. We reduced the impact by using the master archive, but on a fully distributed environment it might not be possible and will quickly become the cause of lot of failures
[16:04] <jibel> especially for *-common package that builds on i386 only
[16:04] <pitti> jibel: right; I mean, can britney request versions on binary package names, or just sources?
[16:04] <jibel> pitti, currently sources
[16:04] <pitti> jibel: or perhaps source of the package to test, but binary versions of the dependencies?
[16:06] <jibel> pitti, ideally it would be request to test a source package because binaries have changed, but currently it is only sources of package to test and source of the dependencies
[16:09] <pitti> jibel: ok, so we need to live with that
[16:09] <pitti> and do some heuristics to map that to binaries (possible, just has some bad edge cases)
[19:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, elopio, hello
[19:09] <elopio> Letozaf_: hola
[19:09] <elopio> Letozaf_: want to talk about your rss tabs?
[19:10] <Letozaf_> elopio, hello, yes thanks
[19:10] <elopio> Letozaf_: do you know how to use the autopilot vis?
[19:10] <Letozaf_> elopio, yes
[19:11] <elopio> Letozaf_: so, on the rss if you fire the vis you will see that inside the pagestack, no item is called Tabs.
[19:11]  * Letozaf_ is looking
[19:12] <elopio> inside the PageWrapper I mean.
[19:12] <Letozaf_> elopio, right there is not item called Tabs
[19:12] <elopio> they are called SavedTab
[19:12] <elopio> ShortsTab
[19:12] <elopio> etc...
[19:13] <Letozaf_> elopio, mmm ... just a second
[19:14] <thomi> Is anyone here a moderator for the ubuntu-quality mailing list? I guess balloons is, but I think he's on holiday
[19:14] <Letozaf_> elopio, under Pagewrapper I have a Tabs and under that I have SaveTab, ShortsTab
[19:14] <elopio> Letozaf_: yes, that's what I'm talking about.
[19:14] <elopio> that's because SavedTab extends the QML class called Tab, and autopilot sees only the new name.
[19:14] <Letozaf_> elopio, oh sorry I misunderstood :P
[19:15] <elopio> on the toolkit emulator we are asuming that every one is called Tab, so that's why you get the error.
[19:16] <Letozaf_> elopio, oh I understand, so I will have to work with the ShortsTab, SavedTab ect., right ? getting those directly
[19:16] <Letozaf_> elopio, and not using the tabs in emulator
[19:16] <Letozaf_> elopio, I will try now thanks
[19:17] <elopio> Letozaf_: in this case we can override the get_current_tab() to do a little more magic
[19:17] <Letozaf_> elopio, how :)
[19:19] <elopio> something like return self.select_single(index=self.selectedTabIndex)
[19:20] <elopio> Letozaf_: but that might be unstable. Instead I'm looking at your test, but I'm haven't fully understood what are you trying to check.
[19:21] <elopio> Letozaf_: so, the shorts tab is always the one you see when you open the app, right?
[19:21] <Letozaf_> elopio, well in the test I open the toolbar and click on the change mode button to change view from shorts to list
[19:22] <Letozaf_> elfy, so I want to verify that the shortsListModePage is visible
[19:22] <elopio> Letozaf_: I would do something like this pseudocode:
[19:22] <Letozaf_> elopio, yes the shorts tab is always the one you see when you open the app
[19:22] <Letozaf_> elopio, at least in a pristine environment
[19:23] <elfy> Letozaf_: I really hope that's a typo :D
[19:23] <Letozaf_> sorry typed elfy instead of elopio
[19:23] <Letozaf_> e1fy yes sorry :(
[19:23] <elfy> thank goodness for that :)
[19:24] <Letozaf_> elopio, if the shortsListModePage is visibile I can assume I changed view mode
[19:24] <Letozaf_> elfy, lol
[19:25] <elopio> self.assertFalse(self.main_view.shorts_tab.isListMode)
[19:25] <elopio> self.main_view.change_to_list_view()
[19:25] <elopio> self.assertTrue(self.main_view.shorts_tab.isListMode)
[19:26] <elopio> Letozaf_: that's how I would write the test ^
[19:26] <Letozaf_> elopio, well it is better than how I did it for sure :P
[19:26] <Letozaf_> elopio, can I copy that ?
[19:27] <elopio> Letozaf_: just a little more encapsualted. You would have to implement the change_to_list_view method and make the shorts_tab available as a property.
[19:28] <elopio> Letozaf_: and that test still has some problems. It might be better to do it with qttest instead of autopilot, because you are not really checking a user story here.
[19:28] <elopio> but as the rss currently has no qttests, it's ok to write it with autopilot. We might want to change it later.
[19:28] <Letozaf_> elopio, ok I will try to do as you say
[19:30] <elopio> Letozaf_: I'm going to have lunch, but if you need a hand leave me a ping or an email and I'll try to help when I get back.
[19:30] <Letozaf_> elopio, ok thanks a lot
[19:30] <elopio> thanks to you.
[19:30] <Letozaf_> elopio, :)
[19:31] <Letozaf_> elopio, buon appetito!
[19:33] <elopio> alesage|afk: I'll leave you just one more pita comment about your visual ordering branch.
[19:33] <elopio> there is already a test that checks that you return a list of applications
[19:33] <elopio> but that test checks the len of the expected and returned list, and then checks that all the items in the expected list are in the returned list.
[19:33] <elopio> that's because we had them in a different order.
[19:34] <elopio> now that the orders are the same, we could remove the test you added and in the existing test change the len and contains check for a single
[19:34] <elopio> self.assertEqual(expected_list, returned_list)
[19:34] <elopio> I might be wrong, because I'm hungry. I'll ping you when I return in ~2 hours.
[20:11] <Psy_> Hi, anyone willing to help me report  a visual bug on Trusty Beta. I dont know the packages to file upon...
[20:17] <elfy> try explaining what you see - what flavour you are using
[20:18] <Psy_> I'm testing Ubuntu i386 beta 2. I have a screenshot
[20:18] <Psy_> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/188946/Screenshot%20from%202014-01-28%2014_30_16.png
[20:19] <Psy_> Seems to me that both the hightlighted text and the top/bottom arrows need to be white
[20:20] <Psy_> As far as I know, this only happens on dropdowns menues
[20:23] <elfy> counts me out - I've not actually looked at ubuntu at all this cycle for longer than 10 minutes I'm afraid
[20:23] <Psy_> I currently don't have a dedicated Ubuntu machine (for now), and I only tested this on a live session. I want to confirm this happening on a full install
[20:24] <Psy_> elfy: I'm in a similar situation. I can't even peek inside the theme to figure out the problem.
[20:25] <elfy> I'd only look in a vm myself
[20:25] <elfy> Psy_: hang around - someone will have more of an idea than me
[20:27] <elfy> Psy_: actually ...
[20:28] <Psy_> Thanks elfy. I'm pretty sure this is something that got wrong after some GTK3 update
[20:28] <elfy> report it against unity - ubuntu-bug unity
[20:29] <elfy> but it looks similar to bug 1301206
[20:30] <Psy_> Mmmm, maybe, but I'll report anyway. Thanks.
[20:33] <Psy_> Another thing I've found but I think this is by design: there is no visual feedback clicking on the shutdown/restart buttons, that seems odd if the system did not restart immediately.
[20:35] <elfy> I'd have absolutely no idea about that :) I use xubuntu
[20:35] <Psy_> Haha ok!
[21:07] <alesage> elopio, I do see that there's some overlap in those tests, just taking the title of that initial test at its word that it's testing the type of the return :)
[21:08] <alesage> elopio, no objection to just removing so long as we're testing ordering too of course
[21:44] <UBUNTU-FAN> hi
[21:45] <UBUNTU-FAN> hi
[21:45] <UBUNTU-FAN> LOL
[21:45] <UBUNTU-FAN> SPAM
[21:45] <UBUNTU-FAN> FREE DRUGS
[21:45] <UBUNTU-FAN> SIKE
[21:53] <support> hi
[21:54] <Guest70303> um hi I cant upgrade to ubuntu 14.04
[21:56] <elopio> alesage: yes, if we check for the equality of the lists we will be checking the order.
[21:56] <alesage> elopio, ok shall I make that change, then?
[21:57] <elopio> alesage: yes please.
[21:57] <Guest70303> hi
[21:57] <alesage> elopio, ok!
[21:57] <elopio> alesage: also make sure to merge with trunk, that comes with many new things.
[21:57] <alesage> elopio, ok will merge again just to be certain
[21:58] <Guest70303> hi4
[21:59] <Guest70303> So I have heard about the ubuntu release of trusty Seems like I cant upgrade right at stage 2
[22:00] <elopio> alesage: can you please review this small one? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/unity8/error_on_missing_url-dispatcher/+merge/213339
[22:00] <alesage> elopio ok
[22:06] <Guest70303> can someone help me
[22:09] <Psy_> hi Guest70303 as far as I know, Ubuntu is still in beta and should be release April 17th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[22:10] <Psy_> Are you trying to update to the final version or the beta?
[22:10] <Guest70303> beta
[22:10] <Guest70303> I am testing
[22:11] <Psy_> Are you using the pre-released updates? That should do the trick
[22:12] <Guest70303> which ones
[22:12] <Psy_> On software & updates -> updates
[22:12] <Psy_> Let me see I can find a tutorial
[22:13] <Psy_> http://itsfoss.com/upgrade-ubuntu-1404-beta-1310/
[22:15] <Guest70303> Im am doing the steps will be right back thanks for the help ;)
[22:16] <Psy_> Check the "troubleshoot" part, I bet thats the problem
[22:16] <Guest70303> something happend when I was getting the update W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/merlwiz79/cinnamon-ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found  W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/merlwiz79/cinnamon-ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[22:19] <Guest70303> wait looked at the troubleshooting, but It didn't work
[22:19] <Psy_> Yeah, but thats the Cinanamon desktop, is not part of Ubuntu
[22:21] <Psy_> Try removing the ppa: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:merlwiz79/cinnamon-ppa I believe
[22:27] <Guest70303> ok do I have to removee themes too
[22:31] <Psy_> cinnamon themes?
[22:31] <Guest70303> ya
[22:31] <Psy_> I think not, but if don't have CInnamon anymore, why not?
[22:31] <Psy_> But I'm not sure this is the problem
[22:32] <Guest70303> ok let me install updates and see if it works
[22:35] <Guest70303> I still have cinnamon
[22:38] <Guest70303> I cant uninstall I will do it from the gui
[22:40] <Psy_> If you do an app update now, you get any errors?
[22:42] <Guest70303> thx its working I will be back when the upgrades done
[22:46] <Psy_> great!
[22:58] <alesage> elopio, sorry I'm just testing this teensy MP of yours on my device :) , trying to be thorough, y'know
[22:58] <elopio> alesage: no need to apologize for that :)
[23:06] <Guest70303> will daul boot affect ubuntu 14.04
[23:08] <Psy_> If 13.10 was working OK, I doubt it, but I'm not sure if 14.04 updates GRUB.
[23:08] <Psy_> elopio: was GRUB 2.02beta intended to land on 14.04?
[23:09] <elopio> Psy_: I have no idea.
[23:09] <elopio> #ubuntu-devel is a better place for that question.
[23:10] <Psy_> Thanks. I think they'll keep it on proposed until further testing.
[23:11] <Psy_> Guest70303: I think 14.04 will boot more or less identical to 13.10
[23:20] <Guest70303> ok
[23:21] <Guest70303> I will check where elopio said


[02:01] <holmanb> cjp256: Ouch. The noexec hardening issue is one of the reasons I say that (among others). We need to make time to pay off that tech debt I guess.
[02:02] <holmanb> A related concern is that dhclient doesn't have upstream support anymore, and given cloud-init's support matrix of operating systems, init systems and networking daemons, there is no obvious path forward.
[14:07] <minimal> holmanb: what about additionally supporting dhcpcd? It is packaged for at least Alpine, Debian, Fedora, and FreeBSD (didn't check further distros but assume also Ubuntu, CentOS, etc
[14:08] <minimal> it has IPv6 support, has hook support
[14:09] <minimal> I thought about adding dhcpcd and udhcpc (from Busybox) support in the past, but I guess udhcpc is more niche
[15:05] <holmanb> minimal: I don't think I've considered dhcpcd yet, sounds like it may work
[15:18] <courchea> Hi all, I'm working on an Ubuntu 22.04 Server autoinstall. So far it works great, but the next step is RAID 1... According to the docs this is not supported as part of cloud-init as such. Anyone knows of a way to do it, either with scripting inside the user-data or post install ?
[15:26] <holmanb> courchea: Hey there :) autoinstall is a subiquity thing (which happens to use cloud-init, but their configs aren't a 1:1 match)
[15:29] <courchea> Oh had not realized that. Thanks.
[15:29] <holmanb> courchea: no worries.
[15:29] <SDes91> Hi all, I am looking for some docs in cloud-init that can let me partition a disk for `/home` and `/boot` mounts. Something similar to curtin storage config. Would that be possible to achieve in `cloud-init`?
[15:29] <holmanb> courchea: assuming you're talking about software raid, you'll want to look at this I assume https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall-reference
[15:29] <holmanb> which mentions lvm (not sure about the other raid options)
[15:30] <courchea> yeah thanks for the pointer that will get me going for a few hours lol
[15:36] <SDes91> Can I completely shift my cloud-init user-data config under the Ubuntu autoinstall's `user-data` key and would it work? Are there certain subschemas that autoinstall won't consider?
[15:55] <minimal> holmanb: dhcpcd has a very extensive set of DHCP functionality, probably more than any other alternative including dhclient


[01:45] <doc> I have xubuntu on two machines. Every time I come out of lock screen I need to minimise a window and then bring it back to be able to use the keyboard. XFCE and awesomewm, and was happening on an older ubuntu release too, now upgraded.
[01:45] <doc> Anyone got any suggestions?
[02:04] <xubuntu82d[m]> Is it a wireless keyboard ?
[12:27] <luki> Hi. I m looking for help, because my xubuntu 20.04 LTS is failling durng sudo apt-get update command


[21:40] <x1250> tomaasj: yeah, go for it.
[21:40] <jeroen-> another question: how can I see how many resoursed kernel modules are using; in other words does the virtualbox-module as any impact on performance (while not using)?
[21:40] <balgarath> tomaasj, which model? I have the 1501, I just had to do a 1-liner to fix it
[21:40] <paynito> xkeyboard depends on xkb-data depends on xkeyboard
[21:40] <paynito> i can't install anything
[21:40] <paynito> dpkg --unpack xkb-data
[21:40] <paynito> fails trying to write /etc/X11/xkb/types.dir
[21:40] <tomaasj> model: 6400
[21:41] <balgarath> tomaasj, ubuntu1501.com has the fix for the wireless
[21:41] <balgarath> tomaasj, should work on most dell wireless
[21:41] <tomaasj> thanks for info.  Dreading to upgrade, though
[21:41] <balgarath> tomaasj, other than that, I had no problems
[21:42] <tomaasj> I'll try soon.
[21:44] <tomaasj> off topic: trying to use gadu-gadu.  Cannot connect.  Why ?
[21:44] <beautifulsnow> Does it give an error message?
[21:44] <tomaasj> no.  Simply in red no connection established...
[21:45] <joliver> I'm getting GPG errors with apt-get update.  any ideas?
[21:45] <Asa_A> you too?
[21:45] <joliver> Invalid signatures
[21:45] <Asa_A> I came here to ask the same thing, I can't authentcat packages from main
[21:45] <joliver> yeah, same apt line for me too
[21:46] <joliver> I have two machines, one is good, one is broken.  odd
[21:46] <slytherin> joliver: Asa_A: Is it a problem with specific mirror?
[21:46] <joliver> yes, http://us.archive.ubuntu.com
[21:47] <paynito> I think this is my bug
[21:47] <paynito> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/213566
[21:47] <paynito> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:47] <Asa_A> slytherin: idk, I was just about to run updates and it says it can't verify. How should I test?
[21:47] <paynito> x-keyboard-config: Depends:xkb-data>=1.1~cvs.2008   but it is not installable
[21:47] <dystopianray> Xorg segfaulted when I tried to play a dvd
[21:47] <dystopianray> although playing the dvd worked after i logged in again
[21:47] <joliver> slytherin: any idea?
[21:47] <melter> is there a way to do both autoremove and purge?
[21:47] <unstable> So I just changed everything in my sources.list from "gutsy" to "hardy" and did an apt-get update. What is the best way to upgrade now? "apt-get dist-upgrade" or use update-manager.. or what?
[21:48] <Baby_Shambl3s> how do i extract a tar.bz2 file?
[21:48] <unstable> Baby_Shambl3s: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[21:48] <slytherin> joliver: yes, don't use that mirror, remove the 'us.' part of it. Asa_A, do the same
[21:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Fix released]
[21:48] <unstable> melter: apt-get remove --purge package?
[21:49] <joliver> slytherin: trying now
[21:49] <unstable> slytherin: yea, how can I switch my mirror to something faster, I'm in New York
[21:49] <Kl4m> !bug 213566
[21:49] <Baby_Shambl3s> unstable: thanx
[21:49] <Kl4m> ok, doesn't work.
[21:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 213566 in xkeyboard-config "dapper->hardy missing files on upgrade" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/213566
[21:50] <Kl4m> oh it does!
[21:50] <gribouille> hi
[21:50] <slytherin> unstable: I don't have idea of all the mirrors. There is a page on launchpad which lists all the mirrors and their status. But I don't have the link currently.
[21:51] <melter> unstable: thanks, "apt-get autoremove --purge" looks like the right syntax
[21:51] <Asa_A> slytherin: is that the same as switching to "main server" under repository settings in synaptic?
[21:52] <Asa_A> slytherin: thanks, I switched it to "main server" and now I'm only getting the warnings for packages from people's PPAs (I know they aren't signed)
[21:52] <slytherin> Asa_A: Can't say, I never managed mirrors from synaptic
[21:52] <Alan> how am i supposed to configure my screen resolutions with an nvidia graphics card?
[21:53] <joliver> slytherin: thanks man, that worked
[21:54] <tomd123> does the alternate or server cd have the option to install the minimal environment?
[21:54] <slytherin> tomd123: What do you mean by minimal?
[21:55] <tomd123> slytherin: I mean install only the cli
[21:55] <gribouille> when I type /etc/init.d/networking start, it doesn't work. I have to type dhclient
[21:55] <ssam> tomd123, the server one has
[21:55] <joliver> slytherin: I appreciate your help
[21:55] <ssam> tomd123, not sure about the alternate
[21:56] <jc_denton> there is also a mini.iso (dunno if already for hardy)
[21:56] <slytherin> tomd123: alternate one has, not sure of server cd
[21:56] <laszlok> Alan: do all the resolutions not show up in Sytem->Preferences->Screen Resolution ?
[21:56] <tomd123> is there a page where it mentions the differences between the cd versions, alternate, server, desktop?
[21:57] <tomd123> minimal
[21:57] <tomd123> I couldn't find any
[21:58] <slytherin> tomd123: Desktop is Live CD + Graphical installer. Alternate is text installer, no live CD, but it installed same packages as Desktop CD. Server installs server specific packages such as lamp stack.
[21:58] <Alan> laszlok, no, i get 480x320 and 640x480 :(
[21:58] <ssam> tomd123, anything specific you need to know
[21:58] <laszlok> Alan: do you have the nvidia restricted driver installed?
[21:58] <tomd123> slytherin: so I guess I will go with the mini.iso, I just want to install the cli and that's it
[21:58] <jorgp> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy to hardy today?
[21:58] <Alan> laszlok, yes
[21:58] <jorgp> from gutsy to hardy
[21:59] <slytherin> tomd123: mini.iso? never heard about it, where did you get it?
[21:59] <Gnine> !install
[21:59] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in a lot of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall. Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[21:59] <slytherin> jorgp: what do you think might not be safe?
[21:59] <beautifulsnow> !automate
[21:59] <tomd123> (03:56:11 PM) jc_denton: there is also a mini.iso (dunno if already for hardy)
[21:59] <ubotu> Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning
[22:00] <laszlok> Alan: did you upgrade to hardy and maybe there is an old xorg.conf still on your machine?
[22:00] <jorgp> slytherin, well, since the release it not tell tomorrow, I was not sure if I should wait or can go ahead and change my sources.list
[22:00] <Alan> laszlok, nope, new install
[22:01] <Alan> laszlok, should i be using the nvidia settings thing to set this up? at the moment, i haven't touched the graphics config in any way since install
[22:01] <Alan> apart from installing the restricted driver
[22:01] <slytherin> Alan: go to System->Preferences->Main Menu, You should find a tool 'Screens and Graphics' enable it, then launch it from menu, it should help you to generate an xorg.conf file suitable to your hardware.
[22:01] <beautifulsnow> is there a way to... install wireless drivers from my gutsy cd... since those worked fine in gutsy?
[22:01] <slytherin> beautifulsnow: which card?
[22:02] <Alan> slytherin, i tried that on the beta and it never did anything, but i'll give it another go...
[22:02] <slytherin> jorgp: I don't think there will be many changes since now till release.
[22:02] <beautifulsnow> Ummm... don't know off the top of my head, but I know that it worked pronto! as soon as I installed gutsy. (goes see what card it is)
[22:02] <laszlok> Alan: i had the same issue, but as soon as I installed the restricted driver and restarted, the dialog let me put it up to 1400x1050
[22:03] <slytherin> Alan: it does save new xorg.conf and then you will have to restart X (Ctrl +Alt +Backspace). Please note that it will also forcefully log you out
[22:03] <beautifulsnow> slytherin: intel pro 3945abg
[22:03] <Alan> yay, that broke it...
[22:04] <beautifulsnow> Can I, slytherin? I always connect online through wirelss, never cable since I don't have a eth cable. so the gutsy cd  has got to have the drivers on them
[22:04] <Cygoku> ubuntu+1 ?
[22:05] <jbroome> yes
[22:05] <slytherin> beautifulsnow: don't think gutsy drivers wil work. you are the second person telling me that 3945 is broken. See if there is any bug for it.
[22:07] <Alan> yay, finally worked :D
[22:07] <beautifulsnow> Thanks, Ill look online slytherin (found a ubuntuforums thread already, nice!) mmm.. what I don't understand is... hardy didn't really install, me thinks .. I mean.. I did  ... upgrade-manager -d    and it downloaded everything... then as soon as it was going to  installing, it crashed emerald, firefox, and a bunch of others, then it crashed the upgrade manager itself.... so... how did it install ? O.o
[22:08] <laszlok> Alan: what did you do to fix it?
[22:08] <slytherin> beautifulsnow: try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install' and then 'sudo apt-get -f ubuntu-desktop'. I am assuming you are using ubuntu and not kubuntu or xubuntu
[22:09] <Alan> laszlok, erm, well, xorg died and the configuration thing came up, and i just had to mess with it for a while till it worked correctly
[22:10] <Alan> laszlok, annoying nvidia bug of VGA monitors ALWAYS coming before DVI monitors makes life a little difficult
[22:10] <Alan> laszlok, as in, no matter which i say is the default monitor, it always uses the VGA one
[22:11] <Baby_Shambl3s> it works it works... it si alive muahahahahaha :D took freaking long with my newbness but cairo works and is transparent without compiz/beryl hahahaha
[22:11] <laszlok> Alan: haha, well if it works, then good job :)
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> Baby_Shambl3s: metacity?
[22:13] <_Rambaldi_> is there a command to output text to screen not just terminal
[22:13] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekim: oh that yeah ive got xcompmgr installed that did :D no long configuration just out of the box
[22:14] <ubuntu-user100> beautiful...: remember me, you suggested dpkg-reconfigure... and gnine suggested - fix xserver?
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Baby_Shambl3s: ah ok... so you are running on Xrender?
[22:14] <ubuntu-user100> beauti...: dpkg did not work. fix xserver worked.
[22:14] <Alan> oooh, does metacity's compositing actually work?
[22:14] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekim: o_0 maybe dont crash my happy time after all it took me to get this and find the packages but yeah im sure i am "i think"....
[22:15] <ubuntu-user100> beautiful...: how ever when i try to enable visual effects it says - desktop effects could not be enabled
[22:15] <slytherin> Alan: yes it does and seems to be faster to me. But it may not work for all.
[22:15] <Alan> i hope it does work
[22:15] <ubuntu-user100> beauti...: earlier compiz was working fine. fyi, i have nvidia quadro NVS 140M
[22:15] <Alan> because to be completely fair, all 3d-desktop wms suck
[22:16] <slytherin> Alan: ok, that is fair enough. :-D
[22:16] <ad> where is the IRC Release Party !!!????
[22:17] <Gnine> ubuntu-user100: check system>administration>system monitor, you should be using kernel 2.6.24-16 ... if not then you need to update your grub's menu.lst
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> #ubuntu-release-party
[22:17] <beautifulsnow> making cookies, just saw your message: " slytherin: beautifulsnow: try to do 'sudo apt-get -f install' and then 'sudo apt-get -f ubuntu-desktop'. " ....thing is, hardy doesn't like  my wireless card when it worked before, so I can't :P
[22:17] <fation_linuX> ad : #ubuntu-release-party
[22:17] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: am using 2.6.24-16-generic
[22:18] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekim: I should probably do a tut for this as online info is all outdated the links are all bronken and most are using the old berilous domain which took the longest to find :/
[22:19] <Gnine> now check system>administration>hardware drivers and enable whatever nvidia driver is in there
[22:19] <b13> when dose it come out??
[22:19] <beautifulsnow> Tomorrow!
[22:19] <slytherin> b13: when it is ready. :-P
[22:19] <b13> today is Tomorrow!
[22:20] <venik> How do I upgrade from the network?
[22:20] <beautifulsnow> ... what?
[22:20] <venik> Adept does not offer that option
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> Baby_Shambl3s: please do....
[22:20] <b13> hmm where do you live?
[22:20] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: i don't see any drivers there. i did install restricted thingy earlier.
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> not that I useGNOME ;)
[22:20] <beautifulsnow> regardless of where you are, it's tomorrow.
[22:20] <ltracy_> Hi.  Has anyone else had problems with wireless after upgrading to Hardy?  My wireless adapter is still present, but I can no longer get it to associate with access points I didn't have a problem with before.  My card is a Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx
[22:20] <korte1975> suse rulez!
[22:21] <beautifulsnow> Yeah ltracy_ ...  mine doenst work anymore either :(
[22:21] <ltracy_> oh wait.. that is my wired :)
[22:21] <slytherin> korte1975: is that a breaking news?
[22:21] <b13> april 24 0:21
[22:21] <beautifulsnow> Im gonna make cookies so I feel better.. :(
[22:21] <Baby_Shambl3s> nosrednaekimlready thinking about it and it works on hardy with one glitch "probably not a glitch just setting issues" it runs on top which it shouldnt, going through the settings now
[22:21] <_derspankster> I have a strange FF3 problem. FF3 fails to resolve www.dslreports.com.  The site is reachable on other machines on my network.
[22:21] <b13> i can't wait any longer
[22:21] <korte1975> ubuntu sucks
[22:21] <slytherin> b13: upgrade now.
[22:21] <ltracy_> beautifulsnow: What kind of card do you have?
[22:21] <Gnine> maybe the system needs a reboot, ubuntu-user100 , so the kernel can load the proprietary driver in 'hardware drivers'
[22:22] <beautifulsnow> b13. go to  ubuntu.com it says ONE DAY TO GO. in other words. its tomorrow. tomorrow for you, tomorrow for me, and tomorrow for that guy over there picking his nose lol
[22:22] <ltracy_> Mine is Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG
[22:22] <slytherin> _derspankster: have you tried with any other browser?
[22:22] <Gnine> otherwise thats all i could tell about it
[22:22] <histo> Lots of updates hopefully it fixes a few issues i'm having.  .mov and .mpg lock the system.  And its horribly slow compared to gutsy
[22:22] <b13> not on my computer
[22:22] <beautifulsnow> ltracy_: its wireless intel pro 3945
[22:22] <beautifulsnow> same as yours
[22:22] <b13> it says comming soon
[22:22] <ltracy_> grr
[22:22] <b13> soon!
[22:22] <ltracy_> beautifulsnow: Maybe it'll be fixed tomorrow ;)
[22:23] <korte1975> try opensuse
[22:23] <slytherin> histo: never seen that. what are you using to play them?
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> b13 there's a BROWN picture next to the "coming soon" message.
[22:23] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: will try rebooting.
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> Read what's on it b13
[22:23] <b13> i will do a screen shot for you
[22:23] <_derspankster> slytherin: yes, FF2 on this machine running 8.04 cannot resolve it either, nor can Opera
[22:23] <b13> brb
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> I thought I was blind >_>
[22:23] <beautifulsnow> Please do b133
[22:24] <histo> Whatever default movie player is totem
[22:24] <slytherin> _derspankster: then I don't think it is Firefox problem
[22:24] <histo> There are tons of problems with my 915 card that still need to be worked out.
[22:24] <beautifulsnow> how the heck am I going to install hardy when hardy itself broke my wireless >_>
[22:24] <Zambezi> korte1975: Anything else intelligent on your mind?
[22:24] <b13> no, today is the day
[22:24] <_derspankster> slytherin: perhaps not but no other sites seem affected
[22:24] <histo> beautifulsnow: i noticed a few updates ago that the settings for my wireless connection were blown out.  Basically it lost the wep key
[22:25] <slytherin> histo: which driver are you using? You can check that from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:25] <Zambezi> Oh. Did he part or did he get kicked? kortel1975.
[22:25] <beautifulsnow> lost your wep key? that's easy to get back isn't it? just go to your router config page
[22:25] <b13> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6015/soonij3.png
[22:25] <b13> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6015/soonij3.png
[22:25] <histo> slytherin: sure one sec
[22:25] <b13> see
[22:25] <beautifulsnow> might need to clear your cache ;)
[22:26] <b13> you clear your cache
[22:26] <beautifulsnow> I haven't logged on windows for almost a week, and I *just* did, and that image popped out ;p
[22:26] <histo> slytherin: there is no driver specified in the new xorg.  just says Configured Video Device
[22:26] <beautifulsnow> The 1 day to go one
[22:27] <b13> but when today?
[22:27] <slytherin> histo: Did you upgrade from gutsy or is it new install?
[22:27] <beautifulsnow> Like  an hour ago? the thing is I just went to the website :P
[22:27] <histo> slytherin: fresh install
[22:27] <slytherin> histo: any sample movie?
[22:27] <histo> slytherin: Xorg.conf is completely different.
[22:28] <b13> when it is released? what hour?
[22:28] <b13> what minute?
[22:28] <beautifulsnow> its not known yet >.>
[22:28] <slytherin> histo: can you paste xorg.conf in pastebin.
[22:28] <beautifulsnow> its still in development
[22:28] <Sporting> Me wants it...  What difference is it going to make?
[22:28] <Prez00> for people who upgraded from gutsy to hardy, any special caveats?
[22:28] <b13> ok i gonna kill myself
[22:28] <Sporting> :D
[22:28] <Gnine> you wont find much in hardy's xorg.conf
[22:28] <b13> can't wait
[22:29] <slytherin> Prez00: intel 3945 wireless seems to be problematic
[22:29] <beautifulsnow> well nothings stopping you from upgrading. just have to run update-manager  -d
[22:29] <Prez00> slytherin: sweet, the one i got, haha!
[22:29] <Sporting> yes it does
[22:29] <histo> slytherin: yeah one sec
[22:29] <Prez00> slytherin: i am assuming it now uses iwl3945 driver isntead of ipw3945
[22:30] <beautifulsnow> just doesn't work at all :(
[22:30] <slytherin> Prez00: yes it does AFAIK
[22:30] <Prez00> slytherin: i have been testing iwl3945 for at least a couple of months, so I guess I can recompile driver and get it to work..
[22:30] <beautifulsnow> when you do please send it to me and ill send you chocolate chip cookies lol
[22:32] <Prez00> if you need to upgrade iwl3945 you need: http://linuxwireless.sipsolutions.net/en/users/Download for kernels above 2.6.24
[22:32] <histo> slytherin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64141/
[22:34] <BHSPitMonkey> What happened to the Secure WebDav option in "Connect to Server"?
[22:34] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: it worked finally :-D
[22:36] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: i did this - reinstalled restricted package(appropriate version). then the nvidia driver appeared in hardware drivers list. enabled the driver, rebooted, and then enabled visual effects. phew.
[22:36] <jac0b> I am trying to adjust my mouse speed but nothing is working
[22:36] <Gnine> thats all there is to it
[22:36] <ltracy_> Prez00: what is that... if I go get a better iwl3945 by wireless will work again?
[22:36] <ltracy_> *my
[22:37] <slytherin> histo: Ok. Have you restarted the machine since the upgrade?
[22:37] <ubuntu-user100> gnine: i think when i updated the kernel got updated(or some thing like that), and then the restricted package was not properly linked to the kernel. what do you think?
[22:37] <Gnine> yup
[22:38] <ubuntu-user100> gnine, beautful... : thanks
[22:39] <RichW> Hello, My Router sees my laptop hostname as RICHIE-LAPTOP but i cannot ping the host name under the terminal.. although the IP adress works... but thats not the point!
[22:39] <RichW> Can anyone help me?
[22:39] <dvs> all of my music, pics etc... are on my windows partition.  how do i have it automatically mount when i login?
[22:39] <histo> slytherin: i'm installing new updates now to bring it to current.
[22:39] <histo> slytherin: then i'll restart if you want.
[22:40] <RichW> dvs: Does it have to automatically mount... would "Mount when you access it" be ok?
[22:40] <slytherin> histo: what I meant to say, I am not sure if currently you are using the new default driver for intel cards. So see if you still have problem after restart.
[22:41] <dvs> RichW: that's what it does now
[22:41] <histo> slytherin: did they recently update the driver?
[22:41] <histo> slytherin: I see they updated the kernel
[22:41] <RichW> dvs: Assuming you want a friendly GUI way, Im not aware of any.. although someone else may.. try some googling too.
[22:42] <RichW> dvs: If you dont mind being techincal.. you can modify /etc/fstab but be careful!
[22:43] <slytherin> histo: When did you actually upgrade to hardy?
[22:43] <histo> slytherin: it was a fresh install I believe right before it went beta
[22:44] <slytherin> histo: I think there has been driver update after that, but I will have to check.
[22:44] <histo> slytherin: Can't remember i've been so busy at work.  I always test on this laptop.  And like I say i've noticed a HUGE speed difference and video problems.  Especially FF3 scrolling.
[22:44] <histo> slytherin: still installing updates
[22:45] <dvs> i don't even know what fstab is, i prolly shouldn't edit it
[22:45] <Gnine> !fstab
[22:45] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[22:47] <tretle> what timezone is the hardy countdown referring to?
[22:47] <AnswerGuy> dvs: it's a text file stored in /etc/ which describes the device, mount point, filesystem type, and mount options of each filesystem -- and it a couple other fields which are described in chapter 5 of the system man (manual) pages
[22:48] <AnswerGuy> And, if you don't understand it, then editing it could be rather inconvenient; you could end up unable to reboot the system --- which would be booting from your rescue disc and fixing it.
[22:48] <dvs> it doesn't look real hard,  i just have to get the appropriate names for the variables...
[22:49] <AnswerGuy> tretle: I was wondering something like that, too.  At what time will the official ISO images be released?   It should be easy to tell which timezone it refers to
[22:52] <AnswerGuy> dvs: feel free to post your intended fstab to one of those paste servers and ask us to look it over
[22:52] <b13> dunno
[22:53] <slytherin> tretle: where is the countdown?
[22:53] <beautifulsnow> OH HAI, what time of what timezone and what date in that timezone will hardy be released? I don't understand what "tomorrow" means.
[22:53] <SammIndustrie> beautiful snow - you beat me to the question :p
[22:53] <beautifulsnow> People keep asking maybe every 5 minutes :p
[22:53] <AnswerGuy> Generally it's reasonably safe if you make a copy, edit your fstab with a proper text editor (vi, nano, nedit) ... NOT a word processor, and if you use that new entry to perform a test mount (using the command shell)
[22:53] <mib_pc817c> im having issues with my wifi droping in and out
[22:53] <slytherin> can anyone point me to countdown?
[22:53] <AnswerGuy> So, if I create a new entry like:
[22:53] <crimsun> /topic Sorry, you're all late.  Ubuntu 8.04 released two weeks ago.
[22:53] <mib_pc817c> wusb54gv4 and the router is 54gs
[22:53] <b13> tomorrow means today. war means peace
[22:54] <SammIndustrie> pffft
[22:54] <mib_pc817c> the connection keeps falling out
[22:54] <AnswerGuy>   /dev/sdc1       /mnt/thumb       ext3      noatime      0 0
[22:54] <AnswerGuy> ... and I then issue the command: sudo mount /mnt/thumb
[22:54] <mib_pc817c> it connects but the connection is very week and it drops out
[22:54] <mib_pc817c> can anyone help me
[22:54] <BHSPitMonkey> WebDAV support seems broken in Hardy, via Nautilus
[22:54] <beautifulsnow> isn't hardys new kernel supposed to access drives in realtime..?
[22:55] <AnswerGuy> If that works then I can be reasonably sure that the entry is correct; and if I didn't mess with any lines in the file than I should be fine.
[22:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[22:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[22:55] <crimsun> beautifulsnow: as opposed to...?
[22:55]  * AnswerGuy teaches sysadmin classes, BTW
[22:55] <beautifulsnow> mib_pc817c:  if no one responds its most likely because they don't know, try another time or stay tuned for an answer. sorry :(
[22:55] <Alan> how do i know if something is using pulseaudio?
[22:56] <DanaG> My bug there: lovely bug.
[22:56] <DanaG> Vunderful -- it also causes stuttery audio.
[22:56] <slytherin> Alan: it depends on what that 'something' is
[22:56] <SammIndustrie> anybody finetuned VIA graphics to allow desktop effects?
[22:56] <RAOF> SammIndustrie: I'm pretty sure the drivers just don't support enough features to make that work.
[22:57] <AnswerGuy> beautifulsnow: your statement doesn't really work:  kernels don't "access drives" (in real-time or otherwise).
[22:57] <Alan> slytherin, sorry, i mean "anything"
[22:57] <AnswerGuy> kernels *provide* the drivers through which drives are accessed.  And they read the partition tables from them to perform the mapping of partitions to devices
[22:58] <Alan> I'm running MPD without an explicitly configured sound output
[22:58] <SammIndustrie> RAOF - in gutsy i managed to do it, but i can't remember when. this graphics card supported vista glass, so it shouldn't be a problem!
[22:58] <DanaG> I want that damn scheduler FIXED!
[22:58] <DanaG> Argh.
[22:58] <Alan> I basically want to see if i'm having any of the fabled sound issues....
[22:58] <DanaG> Or at least ADDRESSED in some way.
[22:58] <AnswerGuy> When you hotplug devices (drives or other stuff like mice) then there are kernel drivers which spawn off processes to run the hotplug utilities --- and those then call back through the kernel (via system calls)
[22:58] <slytherin> Alan: MPD doesn't seem to be using pulseaudio
[22:59] <Alan> slytherin, fair enough, would explain why i don't get stuttery audio then :P
[22:59] <AnswerGuy> ... which accesses drives (possibly triggering the loading of kernel modules and other stuff)
[22:59] <Alan> slytherin, how about xine-ui?
[22:59] <slytherin> DanaG: shouting here is not gonna help, file a bug
[22:59] <DanaG> It IS a bug!
[22:59] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[22:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged]
[23:00] <kingv> so 804 comes out tonight at midnight us central time??
[23:00] <slytherin> Alan: not sure, have not used xine in long time. All the gstreamer apps should be using pulseaudio by default.
[23:00] <AnswerGuy> But that's been true since long before hardy.  Hardy probably has refined the scripts and configuration for a wider variety of USB, firewire, camera, fibre channel and other hot-pluggable devices.
[23:00] <pat_> Hey i installed hardy with wubi and the firt time i booted i saw my windows partition but now i cant find it :-/
[23:00] <beautifulsnow> crimsun: read online (forgot where, im not on my computer ATM) that the new kernel accesses the harddrive on demand, instead of "ok I want this song" *writes I want this song*...*realizes the computer is asking for the song* *gets song* but I don't kniow how to explain, im not a computer person :) Just read it online on a interview *shrug* O.o
[23:00] <jac0b> why doesn´t hary have xmms
[23:00] <slytherin> DanaG: ask on #ubuntu-devel
[23:00] <jac0b> hardy*
[23:00] <Alan> slytherin, well, then, looks like my choice of apps will shield me from the problem
[23:00] <Alan> yay!
[23:01] <slytherin> jac0b: it is there in universe repository
[23:01] <crimsun> DanaG: be careful.  That bug isn't really a bug.
[23:01] <slytherin> jac0b: opps, it doesn't seem to be there
[23:01] <Rynor> why do people still use xmms.. it's so old
[23:01] <Rynor> try audacious instead
[23:01] <crimsun> DanaG: enabling that option just happens to /mask/ the real bug
[23:01] <jac0b> or audaicious
[23:02] <Prez00> ltracy_: sorry, was't looking, it's just newest drivers fro intel 3945 wireless, someone was mentioning they were kinda troublesome on Hardy... so just in case, you can try those...
[23:02] <slytherin> jac0b: audacious is there
[23:02] <jac0b> yea I am installing it now
[23:02] <Sergeant_Pony> anyone having an issue with hibernate etc... on 2.6.24-15-generic (#1 SMP Tue Apr 8 00:33:51 UTC 2008) this kernel?
[23:03] <jac0b> do you any of you know why my mouse is sooooo slowwww
[23:03] <crimsun> DanaG: the real bug is referenced here: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa7990
[23:03] <kingv> does anyone know when is the 8.04 supposed to come out? central midnight +6 US?
[23:03] <Lunks> Suddenly my WLAN doesn't show up anymore in network manager when I click on it
[23:03] <Lunks> So I'm figuring out how to set up WPA using WPA_supplicant
[23:04] <slytherin> jac0b: why don't you like rhythmbox?
[23:04] <Lunks> But what might have happened for it to just dissapear?
[23:04] <ptn107> kingv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=763394
[23:04] <slytherin> Lunks: was it configured manually previously?
[23:04] <jac0b> slytherin: its okay I prefer amarok
[23:04] <Lunks> slytherin: not sure
[23:04] <pat_> Hey i installed hardy with wubi and the firt time i booted i saw my windows partition but now i cant find it :-/
[23:05] <jac0b> but audcious is quicker
[23:05] <slytherin> kingv: do you a know where there is a countdown? I would like to stop all these questions but I don't know which countdown people are referring to.
[23:05] <kingv> ptn107, thanks
[23:05] <NukeSkyjumper> anyone get sound working in wine in hardy?
[23:05] <kingv> slytherin, i
[23:06] <kingv> slytherin, im just looking at the main site. just not sure of exact time :S
[23:06] <slytherin> Lunks: check in System -> Administration -> Network. See if roaming mode is enabled for your wireless card
[23:06] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: pasuspender -- wine foo.exe
[23:06] <RAOF> SammIndustrie: Really?  Hm.  Maybe you can run Xgl on your VIA card?
[23:07] <kingv> slytherin, unfortunately nobody know the time.
[23:07] <Lunks> slytherin: yeah, it's set to roam
[23:07] <slytherin> Lunks: which card is it?
[23:07] <crimsun> Alan: libxine is configured to try PulseAudio first then fall back to ALSA gracefully.
[23:08] <Lunks> slytherin: b43
[23:08] <Lunks> Wireless works
[23:08] <slytherin> Sergeant_Pony: you should upgrade your system
[23:08] <Lunks> But it's not so simple to configure things as WPA PSK =\
[23:08] <crimsun> Lunks: meaning with interfaces(5) and wpa_supplicant.conf?  Sure it is.
[23:09] <Sergeant_Pony> slytherin I did this morning...
[23:09] <quittt>  why my other partitions do not appear on the desktop, since they're mounted????
[23:09] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: still can't get any audio in winecfg's audio test with any of the 3 drivers
[23:09] <Lunks> crimsun: not sure what you're saying but yes, it's working with other things, it's just Network Manager that's broken.
[23:09] <slytherin> Lunks: I am surprised, for my card, NM automatically showed me the dialog for pass-phrase.
[23:09] <jac0b> how do you make natilus open to a specfic folder
[23:09] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: is wine configured to use oss or alsa?
[23:09] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: doesn't matter, doesn't work with either
[23:10] <NukeSkyjumper> (in winecfg's audio tab)
[23:10] <slytherin> jac0b: what do you mean?
[23:10] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*
[23:10] <Prefix> how do i set panel programs shortcuts to open files when i drag on onto it?
[23:10] <Lunks> slytherin: When you click it on the tray, it shows up 'Wireless Networks' and a list, also some options like 'Create a new wireless network' and such
[23:10] <Lunks> I don't have this on mine anymore. =\
[23:10] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: just pulseaudio and the gnome mixer
[23:10] <slytherin> Lunks: is  it now showing any network?
[23:10] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: i can cat files to /dev/dsp and /dev/audio just fine
[23:10] <Lunks> slytherin: Just 'manual network'
[23:11] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: if you can, then it's definitely a wine issue.
[23:11] <Lunks> slytherin: I right click it and there's no "Enable Wireless", which should have.
[23:11] <jac0b> slytherin: well my shortcuts don work
[23:11] <slytherin> Lunks: have you recently upgraded to hardy? and have you restarted after that? Also are you sure the firmware for your card is loaded?
[23:11] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: you can rule out pulseaudio definitely if you pkill pulseaudio
[23:11] <Prefix> whats the thing i stick after making a lancher for a program that means i can like drag stuff onto it and it opens with that program?
[23:11]  * NukeSkyjumper tries
[23:11] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: however, pasuspender -- foo is the recommended method.
[23:11] <slytherin> jac0b: which shortcuts?
[23:12] <dwidmann> With nfs, if you export say, /nfs/blah, on the guest machine could you mount something like say, /nfs/blah/bleh even the /nfs/blah/bleh wasn't explicitly exported and /nfs/blah was?
[23:12] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: yeah, no sound at all even without pulseaudio running
[23:12] <slytherin> Prefix: I think the command of program should be something like 'command %u'. May not work with all programs
[23:13] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: right, time to troubleshoot your wine config
[23:13] <Lunks> slytherin: Wireless works, I use Hardy for like a month now.
[23:13] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: just as a sanity-check, make sure you haven't muted the appropriate mixer element(s)
[23:13] <jac0b> slytherin: I made a shortcut to my storage drive in my top bar but now it doesn work
[23:14] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: winecfg is returning "audio test failed"
[23:14] <Lunks> slytherin: And yes, I'm sure I've got firmware set for my wireless card; If I hadn't it would not work
[23:14] <slytherin> jac0b: can't help much.
[23:14] <slytherin> Lunks: Right. Might be good to file a bug. But make sure you specify which card exactly. b43 is driver name.
[23:15] <Lunks> BCM4311 it'd be. :)
[23:15] <Alan> crimsun, shame :(
[23:15] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: I don't use wine, so I'm of no use there.  If audio works otherwise, that's what I care about.
[23:15] <crimsun> Alan: why shame?
[23:15] <Lunks> slytherin: I believe I'll just wait for Hardy release, download it, burn and reinstall. :P
[23:15] <slytherin> Lunks: ahh then it might be problem. Don't think 4311 has full support.
[23:16] <Alan> crimsun, because of the fact pulseaudio appears to make a mess of sound, so i'll have to find a way to not use it?
[23:16] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: thanks anyway
[23:16] <slytherin> Lunks: or it is possible that the firmware has been changed since you last downloaded it.
[23:16] <Lunks> slytherin: It was working fine. It works fine. B43 supports 4311.
[23:16] <crimsun> Alan: it doesn't make a mess of sound.  It works wonderfully for apps that support it natively.  What is a "mess" are the apps that /don't/.
[23:17] <Alan> crimsun, so that's the root of the stuttering sound?
[23:17] <Lunks> slytherin: If it changed, wireless wouldn't work at all. My problem is not with my wireless connection, it's with network manager.
[23:17] <crimsun> the stuttering sound is a scheduler issue.  I gave DanaG the URL above.
[23:17] <slytherin> Lunks: Ok. I am out of ideas. :-P
[23:17] <Lunks> slytherin: Maybe I could do a dpkg-reconfigure, but I'm not so sure which package I should do it.
[23:17] <crimsun> Alan: namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa7990
[23:18] <Alan> crimsun, either way, looks like ubuntu is being shipped with an "impaired user experience" :(
[23:18] <Alan> crimsun, so we'll have to wait till 8.10 to see this disappear? or is the patch going to get backported?
[23:19] <NukeSkyjumper> anyone know how to start pulseaudio manually? "/etc/init.d/pulseaudio start" doesn't do it
[23:19] <Kill_X> anyone got a hint which plugin brasero needs to write to DVD-RAM ?
[23:19] <Lunks> Hmm going to try some stuff. :D
[23:19] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: we don't use the system-wide daemon by default.  It's started via esd compatibility in GNOME session.
[23:19] <crimsun> Alan: I don't know; that's not my decision.
[23:19] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: ah. is there a command to do so?
[23:20] <crimsun> esd&, pulseaudio -vv&, etc.
[23:20] <NukeSkyjumper> thanks
[23:20] <Alan> crimsun, fair enough - thanks for the info btw, nice to understand what's going wrong :)
[23:20]  * slytherin time to hit bed
[23:20] <crimsun> Alan: trust me, it's much more complicated, but that's essentially it.
[23:21] <crimsun> I would love to be able to ship a proper PulseAudio config, but we have too many support issues as-is.
[23:21] <Alan> crimsun, I realise, but i mean that it's a kernel bug which has been noted and "fixed"
[23:21] <Alan> rather than pulseaudio itself
[23:22] <Alan> I guess it only manifests itself noticably in an inherently real-time application
[23:22] <crimsun> it manifests itself in just about any situation with multiple GUI apps.
[23:22] <edugonch> hello, I need to change the resolution in my 8.04 system, but in xorg.conf I can't find it, is there a new file to change this? I need to do it manually
[23:22] <edugonch> thanks
[23:22] <NukeSkyjumper> crimsun: FYI, sound was likely working in wine all along. the "audio test" in winecfg was broken
[23:22] <crimsun> NukeSkyjumper: good.
[23:27] <peeps[work]> the new browser start page looks SO MUCH better
[23:27] <peeps[work]> http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[23:27] <thebigham> i hate firefox 3
[23:27] <thebigham> how can i install firefox 2
[23:28] <thebigham> and get rid of firefox 3
[23:29] <peeps[work]> thebigham, apt-get install firefox-2
[23:29] <TheInfinity> thebigham: uninstall old ff and install ff-2?
[23:29] <peeps[work]> I personally you can have them both installed simultaneously
[23:29] <peeps[work]> doesn't hurt anything
[23:30] <ethana2> i can't use ff2
[23:30] <ethana2> I just can't stand it anymore
[23:30] <ethana2> ff3 FTW
[23:30] <TheInfinity> opera ftw *run away* ;)
[23:30] <ethana2> heh
[23:30] <ethana2> good luck running that on the PS3.
[23:30] <peeps[work]> well, the fact is ff3 is still beta, so IMO it really shouldn't be the default
[23:31] <ethana2> hmmmm
[23:31] <ethana2> peeps, we have unity now
[23:31] <TheInfinity> peeps[work]: its because of LTS
[23:31] <ethana2> if we go let fedora and suse stomp us all over
[23:31] <ethana2> we may loose that
[23:32] <slackd00d> ff3b5 works great for me. i dont mind it being default
[23:32] <peeps[work]> i do web development, so I gotta test in ff2, and we don't officially support ff3, so I don't really use it at all
[23:32] <peeps[work]> i don't really have any point to make, just sayin
[23:32] <slackd00d> gotcha
[23:32] <crimsun> that's why ff2 is still supported.
[23:33] <SmileyChris> I got asked to restart firefox by the OS after today's updates, but it's still b5... i was a bit confused
[23:33] <ISS_Student> I installed the beta of 8.04 and my sound worked fine then I did all the updates and sound stopped working. I just downloaded the RC iso does anybody know if there were issues with sound
[23:33] <crimsun> sigh
[23:33] <crimsun> there are a TON of issues with sound.
[23:33] <DanaG> AArgh
[23:33] <DanaG> I'm getting pissed off at my school's login agent.
[23:33] <crimsun> just simulate the upgrade and let us know.
[23:33] <peeps[work]> last i checked, ff3 had some issues with svg
[23:33] <DanaG> It's dropping me, without notice, every 15 minutes or so.
[23:34] <respider> there will be a 8.04 and a 8.04 LTS or its the same?
[23:35] <peeps[work]> same
[23:35] <crimsun> respider: depends what you install.
[23:35] <DanaG> So, I have NO idea whatsoever what things I've said that people have heard.
[23:35] <CataKlysmiC> Anticipation dammit
[23:35] <DanaG> And I have no idea what things OTHERS have said, that I've missed.
[23:35] <crimsun> DanaG: eh, nothing important.  I gave you a URL, that's about it.
[23:35] <crimsun> DanaG: namely, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=e2df9e0905136eebeca66eb9a994ca48d0fa7990
[23:36] <crimsun> DanaG: that's the /real/ issue, not the enabling of CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED
[23:36] <thebigham> i got sound issues too
[23:36] <thebigham> i can barely hear anything on max volume
[23:37] <peeps[work]> hehe, misleading headline: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[23:37] <crimsun> peeps[work]: Ubuntu 8.04 /is/ LTS.
[23:37] <crimsun> peeps[work]: Kubuntu is not, neither is Xubuntu.  Nor Ubuntu Studio.  Nor mythbuntu.
[23:38] <peeps[work]> crimsun, i know that.  i meant the fact that the headline says it has been released already
[23:38] <CataKlysmiC> I have a very sincere questen to ask, any developers around?
[23:38] <crimsun> CataKlysmiC: of..?
[23:38] <crimsun> peeps[work]: sure, it's misleading.
[23:39] <CataKlysmiC> Does ubuntu equal 42
[23:39] <quaddi> is this the right place to ask for some ufw help?
[23:40] <beautifulsnow> Yeah go ahead and ask quaddi
[23:40] <Dh08> Hi, i am looking for a good burning software for Hardy, mainly to burn DVDs, ISOS, and data cd/dvd.?
[23:40] <crimsun> quaddi: no, you should use answers.launchpad.net for ufw.
[23:40] <crimsun> I would say bug jd.... but he'd probably kill me.
[23:40] <beautifulsnow> Ummm doesn't Brasero do that dh08?
[23:41] <dassouki> what time is the release expected ? I'd like to get it before my flight tomorrow morning haha
[23:41] <interawi> Dh08: I believe hardy comes with new burning software to replace nautilus for cd burning
[23:41] <beautifulsnow> I woudlnt do that dassouki, if you get it, install it, and its buggy, then you have your flight, you're gonna be in for some trouble :p
[23:42] <dassouki> beautifulsnow, good point :D and hopefully the dual screen is better on hardy. i'm just suffering with gutsy :(
[23:42] <quaddi> im trying to open a game port to host games, i used ufw allow **port number***, ufw status tells me its allowed anywhere, but namp tells me its closed, and I still cant host games
[23:42] <Dh08>  Brasero does do it ; is it the the most effective one?
[23:42] <DarphBobo> Dh08, Applications> sound & video > Brasero Disc Burning
[23:43] <beautifulsnow> Meh, I've never had any problems with Brarsero and I use it for a lot of different stuff. I don't know if it's the best though
[23:43] <DarphBobo> Dh08, you can also try k3b
[23:43] <crimsun> quaddi: got a home "router"?
[23:43] <quaddi> yes and the ports are correctly forwarded
[23:44] <Dh08> ok, thank you DarphBobo...:-)
[23:44] <crimsun> quaddi: verify that you can telnet localhost port
[23:44] <strtok> anyone know why when i execute "jarsigner" i get a list of packages that support jarsigner, even though i've already installed sun-java5-jdk?
[23:45] <quaddi> nc fails at the port i need
[23:45] <crimsun> quaddi: what's the default policy?
[23:45] <quaddi> allow
[23:46] <Sajuukkhar> hey guys just updated to hardy
[23:47] <Sajuukkhar> but now there is something wrong with my Xorg.conf file
[23:48] <crimsun> quaddi: did you troubleshoot with `sudo iptables -nL'?
[23:48] <quaddi> no i ahve not
[23:48] <quaddi> *have
[23:48] <strtok> update-alternatives for java is broken i think
[23:49] <quaddi> how do I interpret this?
[23:49] <Seveas> strtok, update-java-alternatives :)
[23:49] <strtok> no way
[23:49] <strtok> :P
[23:50] <crimsun> quaddi: well, where does your rule appear?
[23:50] <strtok> hrm
[23:50] <strtok> Seveas: that didn't set it for jarsigner
[23:51] <strtok> ls -al javac
[23:51] <strtok> er
[23:51] <strtok> or javac
[23:51] <strtok> they both still point to java-gcj
[23:51] <quaddi> its there, but Im not certain if it requires a source and destination (tcp and udp are accounted for)
[23:51] <strtok> update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac
[23:52] <strtok> update-java-alternatives: jdk alternative does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/ia32-java-1.5.0-sun/bin/jarsigner
[23:52] <strtok> sorry for double liner
[23:53] <crimsun> quaddi: it doesn't require one.  If the host is omitted, it defaults to "this host".
[23:53] <quaddi> then it seem my rule is accurate
[23:53] <quaddi> but the port is still not open
[23:55] <Sajuukkhar> ok heres my probelm, hardy cant find drivers for my i810, my mouse my wacom, also says it has an IO error 104 on the Xserver
[23:56] <LogicalDash> I had Gutsy set up to launch "alltray thunderbird -na" on startup, thus starting thunderbird but keeping it in the systray. The same thing on Hardy fails to act *on Thunderbird* half the time, instead giving me a generic Alltray icon that does nothing; otherwise, it does give me the Thunderbird icon, but Thunderbird also starts in a visible window, which sort of defeats the purpose. Is there anything I can do about this?
[23:56] <crimsun> quaddi: have you checked /var/log/syslog for the ufw message(s)?
[23:56] <NukeSkyjumper> since upgrading to hardy, the gnome sensors applet doesn't display any of the libsensors data
[23:56] <NukeSkyjumper> but does display the nvidia and hddtemp ones
[23:57] <soldier> ubuntu 8.04 coming soon.
[23:57] <CataKlysmiC> anyone know at what time the announcement is going to be for the dvd releases
[23:57] <soldier> when ???
[23:57] <Sajuukkhar> anyone?
[23:57] <LogicalDash> LONDON, April 21, 2008 – Canonical Ltd. announced the upcoming availability of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Desktop Edition for free download on Thursday 24 April. In related news, Canonical also announced the simultaneous release of Ubuntu 8.04 LTS Server Edition.
[23:57] <LogicalDash> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop
[23:58] <Sajuukkhar> can someone tell what I can do with this error :hardy cant find drivers for my i810, my mouse my wacom, also says it has an IO error 104 on the Xserver
[23:58] <Prez00> Ans there they are, I am looking at several mirrors being updated as we speak to Release version
[23:58] <zerone> I have msn running, but programs don't flash bright enough on the bottem task bar.. is there a way to increase the brightness of the programs assistance?
[23:58] <quaddi> crimsum: seems that there are several ufw messages, but they detail hardware addresses and such, and I cant decipher what its meaning is
[23:58] <Prez00> just kidding....
[23:59] <jac0b> how can I adjust my mouse speed