[21:02] <SocoM> re
[21:05] <fellag> re
[21:27] <Fanen> bsr
[21:27]  * Fanen so sad
[21:27]  * Fanen just lost all my data bases


[00:09] <cythes> I have returned-ish :D
[00:45] <InHisName> Seem I am trying to use xRDP.   I am now logging into an account but desktop is empty and NO  ctrl or alt commands exist.
[01:30] <jthan> cythes: I'm sorry - have we met?
[01:31] <cythes> jthan, Yeah about.... 2-3 years ago. "Alexander Azimov"
[01:31] <jthan> Ah. Alright. I'm on board. How are you?
[01:32] <cythes> So you do remember me? I mean I stopped frequenting this IRC about a year and half ago.
[01:32] <jthan> I remember the name. I couldn't say for sure what conversations we did or didn't have :-P
[01:32] <jthan> People come and go here all the time.
[01:33] <cythes> I'm alright, just working on arch (Moved up in the linux food chain lol or maybe down since arch aint that popular...)
[01:33] <jthan> That's a good deal.
[01:33] <jthan> I am a gentoo fan, so I can't complain too much about arch
[01:36] <cythes> How is that?
[01:38] <jthan> I like it.  I don't use it as much as I'd like to.  most times I'm on my laptop (MacBook)
[01:40] <jthan> I've learned a significant amount using Gentoo.  Just installing it once will teach you wonders.
[01:41] <cythes> Yeah it was the same with arch, if I ever get a chance at another hard drive I might give it a proper shot.
[01:45] <jthan> I am tolerable of any OS these days, and I respect peoples' opinions for why they use them. But It's great to see Linux communities thriving
[01:47] <cythes> Yeah I have come to realise that any linux OS is a linux OS, meaning we all might run diffrent OS's but we are all part of one community.
[01:48] <cythes> By it before I mean gentoo.
[01:48] <cythes> I have been thinking about it since it seems like the next big challenge.
[01:49] <cythes> But for the moment I have tons of pride in my arch install so I dont really want to let it go :)
[01:52] <jthan> Nahh.. Might as well roll with it for awhile
[01:52] <jedijf> next drive i get, i'm doing windows
[01:53] <jedijf> 98
[01:53] <jthan> WoO!
[01:53] <waltman> 95
[01:54] <jthan> jedijf: you never got me powdered milk
[01:57] <jedijf> jthan: how did the bakingwork out?
[02:00] <jthan> I never got to do it.. I can't coordinate my schedule with rise times right now, it seems
[02:00] <jthan> I'm fine for the first rise overnight, but the second one takes too short a time while I'm at school so it collapses before I get to it
[02:01] <jthan> so I need a day off
[02:01] <jedijf> yeah, don't cut to bake
[02:01] <jthan> lol
[02:02] <jthan> Sounds like a good idea to me.
[03:13] <cythes> jthan, Yeah I think I will for a while, I love how arch is what you make it, its pretty good if you want to build a linux from the ground up.
[03:13] <cythes> In essence I made my own distro as I use it.
[03:14] <jthan> As long as it works for you, that is what is important.
[03:30] <cythes> It works just how I want to which is cool :D
[03:30] <cythes> be back soon
[03:41] <cythes> And back :D
[04:23] <ChinnoDog> I lied, I forgot to come back.
[04:23] <ChinnoDog> and now I need to sleep
[04:31] <cythes> ChinnoDog, I forgive now go forth and multiply :D
[05:19] <andrew> cythes: You know me?
[06:20] <cythes> andrew, I think lol
[06:21] <andrew> It's possible
[09:59] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:02] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:04] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:07] <rmg51> o/
[15:49] <jthan> Anyone use google music? Is that a good service?
[16:21] <rmg51> I've been using Last.fm
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> i've been buying CD's and then uploading them to my computer...
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> :x
[16:23] <rmg51> I've done that as well
[16:33]  * adom uses Google Music.
[16:33] <adom> just set directories you want uploaded and anytime new music appears in them it uploads to your Google Music account
[16:33] <adom> then i stream from my phone
[16:34] <adom> so i dont have to keep any music on my phone, but i can access any of my music via google music
[16:34] <adom> only downside is you need solid network connection to stream
[16:34] <adom> 3G/4G cell will work, but not when you're moving around usually
[16:43] <MutantTurkey> yeah 3G on train sucks I am considering getting a antenna
[16:43] <JonathanD> I've had pretty good success with clear on the train.
[16:50] <adom> it is freeing though. i download music at the office or at home on laptop or desktop. then google music uploaded uploads it all to my google music so i can listen to it on my phone.
[16:50] <adom> *then google music *uploader* uploads it...*
[16:51] <adom> i dont like streaming music via browser, it sucks RAM
[16:51] <adom> so i usually only listen to google music via phone
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> I stream on my desktop
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> but it doesn't suck my memory....?
[16:51] <MutantTurkey> not with a browser
[16:51] <adom> you probably dont have a single core CPU with 2GB of ram
[16:52] <adom> and 2348857 Firefox tabs >.<
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> adom: I know the feeling trust me.
[16:59] <MutantTurkey> and no
[17:04] <rmg51> I listen to Last.fm in Rhythmbox
[17:05] <MutantTurkey> mocp lets you do m3u's and such
[17:08] <adom> i want to get into mpd, because a lot of apps can access/control it. like a conky config or a docky dock?
[17:08] <adom> then again maybe that will work nicely with banshee, just never tried
[17:09] <adom> and bansee is getting nixxed for 12 release
[17:09] <EvilResistance> adom, will it still be available in the repos?
[17:09] <adom> im going to upgrade to 12.04 because its the new LTS. whether or not i grind my teeth and leave unity on there is another matter
[17:09] <adom> dunno
[17:09] <adom> probably
[17:10] <EvilResistance> if it is then i wont have any reason to complain
[17:10] <EvilResistance> if it isnt
[17:10] <EvilResistance> well...
[17:10] <adom> http://askubuntu.com/questions/75593/why-is-rhythmbox-becoming-the-default-again
[17:10] <EvilResistance> bad things.
[17:10] <MutantTurkey> why does it matter?
[17:10] <MutantTurkey> how many people use Internet Explorer because it's default?
[17:10] <MutantTurkey> wait bad question XD
[17:10] <adom> i personally like banshee a little more, but either will do as a general media player
[17:11]  * EvilResistance glares at MutantTurkey
[17:11] <MutantTurkey> both suck
[17:11] <MutantTurkey> lol :p
[17:11] <adom> MutantTurkey: im a fan of command line apps like you, but for music, i like visual stuff somewhat
[17:11] <MutantTurkey> me too
[17:11] <MutantTurkey> there are better players out there that aren't bloated down
[17:11] <adom> like being able to click twice on a systray icon to change music and other stuff
[17:11] <adom> like?
[17:11] <adom> i thought you were referring to that command line one
[17:12] <MutantTurkey> I like gogglesmm, clementine, deadbeef (its like foobar2k)
[17:13] <MutantTurkey> those are what I used back in the day of actually using gooey apps
[17:14] <adom> lots of improvements since then
[17:14] <adom> imo
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> I've used the new apps recently as well
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> still pretty set on deadbeef
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> basically because foobar2000 rocks
[17:16] <adom> looks too simple for me
[17:17] <adom> normally i like simple, but theres small features i like my music player to have
[17:17] <MutantTurkey> yeah yeah yeah
[17:17] <adom> =D
[17:18] <MutantTurkey> deadbeef is written by an archer :P
[17:23] <adom> we talk a lot about arch being much more lightweight than ubuntu...is there anyway to get ubuntu stripped down with a minimal WM like awesome or i3? or would that not be effective because ubuntu has more heavy stuff installed besides just the WM/gnome?
[17:24] <adom> like, everything replaced with lightweight stuff...the WM (obviously), the file manager, music player, etc. all that stuff
[17:26]  * adom starts eyeing up crunchbang.
[17:30] <adom> if sometihngs "debian-based" does that automatically mean it uses aptitude/apt-get?
[17:32] <jedijf> adom: ubuntu alternate install cd cli only is like doing arch sort of
[17:33] <jedijf> adom: re:deb based yes
[17:34] <jedijf> http://jedijf.blogspot.com/2009/05/custom-ubu-system.html  http://jedijf.blogspot.com/2009/06/thinkpad-a21m-jaunty-window-managersdes.html  http://jedijf.blogspot.com/2009/04/dell-latitude-lm.html
[17:36] <jedijf> probably more but that's what cli only search returned
[17:37] <adom> jedijf: didnt know that cli only option existed
[17:38] <adom> might have to cehck that out
[17:38]  * adom fires up virtualbox.
[17:41] <EvilResistance> who's the channel owner (or better question, who's in charge of the LoCo)?
[17:42] <EvilResistance> ohai lamalex
[17:42] <jedijf> EvilResistance: what do you need?
[17:42] <lamalex> hola
[17:43] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  question regarding one of my bots, /query?
[17:43] <jedijf> no one is in *charge* , i am team contact
[17:43] <EvilResistance> whomever is authorized to authorize bots in here, thats who i need to talk to :P
[17:43] <jedijf> certainly
[17:43] <jedijf> this is irc so that's andrew pleia2 and wiki maybe ChinnoDog
[17:44] <EvilResistance> :P
[17:44] <EvilResistance> whoever has jurisdiction over this channel is the specific contact i need to speak to, since it regards logging of stats for the channel
[17:44] <EvilResistance> see privmsgs
[17:45] <pleia2> EvilResistance: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-us-pa list
[17:45] <pleia2> shows you the access list
[17:45] <EvilResistance> pleia2:  :p
[17:45] <jedijf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/IRCTeam
[17:45] <EvilResistance> pleia2:  indeed, chanserv's having a fit with me though
[17:45] <EvilResistance> lagging into infinity :L/
[17:45] <EvilResistance> :/ *
[17:45] <pleia2> everyone keeps ":P" me today even when I try to be helpful
[17:45] <pleia2> I might go back to bed
[17:45] <EvilResistance> but :/ is not :P :/
[17:50] <EvilResistance> oops pennbot is dead o.O
[17:50] <EvilResistance> stupid freenode servers pinging out :/
[17:51] <EvilResistance> there you are
[17:51] <EvilResistance> @load ChannelStats
[17:51] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[17:51] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: huh? What did you volunteer me for?
[17:52]  * adom does the robot dance with PennBot.
[17:52] <jedijf> @stats
[17:52] <PennBot> jedijf: I have 2 registered users with 2 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
[17:52] <InHisName>
[17:52] <jedijf> best thought ever
[17:52] <EvilResistance> its not configged yet
[17:52] <EvilResistance> whoops
[17:52] <adom> who are the two registered users?
[17:52] <EvilResistance> probably me and someone else
[17:53] <EvilResistance> i'm obviously regged if i'm the owner user xD
[17:53] <adom> registered with Freenode? i am
[17:53] <EvilResistance> i think it means with the bot
[17:53] <adom> ahh
[17:53] <jedijf> it does
[17:53] <EvilResistance> but i'm not sure whether its pulling from channel stats or not
[17:53]  * EvilResistance does some digging
[17:53] <adom> @pornography
[17:53] <PennBot> adom: Error: "pornography" is not a valid command.
[17:53] <adom> EvilResistance: your bots broke
[17:54] <EvilResistance> @channelstats
[17:54] <PennBot> EvilResistance: On # there have been 24 messages, containing 636 characters, 110 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 2 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 1 join, 1 part, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[17:54] <EvilResistance> wth
[17:54] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you were an admin of something, couldn't remember if it was irc; it's not
[17:54]  * EvilResistance thinks something broke
[17:54] <EvilResistance> @unload ChannelStats
[17:54] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[17:54] <jedijf> you need to add that pretty graphical chumpy
[17:55] <jedijf> it may be a separate stat keeper
[17:55] <EvilResistance> mmm
[17:55] <jedijf> most lines - fewest lines
[17:55] <jedijf> niceness - eviltude
[17:56] <jedijf> off the top of my head, most used term ....bacon
[17:56] <adom> @bacon
[17:56] <PennBot> adom: Error: "bacon" is not a valid command.
[17:56] <adom> oh come on
[17:56] <adom> worthless
[17:56] <JonathanD> bacon is always valid.
[17:57] <jedijf> bacon is <reply> this channels food of choice
[17:57] <jedijf> @bacon
[17:57] <PennBot> jedijf: Error: "bacon" is not a valid command.
[17:58] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  that module isnt loaded yet
[17:58] <jedijf> bacon?
[17:58] <jedijf> ok, this is ridiculous
[17:58] <jedijf> get bottin
[17:58] <EvilResistance> i've been without an SSH key the past month, cut me some slack :/
[17:58]  * EvilResistance finally got Linux back up and running
[18:01] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  are you regged with the bot?
[18:01] <EvilResistance> if not, you should, so i can dump you into admins so you can work with factoids and stuffs
[18:03] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>This channel's food of choice.
[18:03] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[18:03] <EvilResistance> @bacon
[18:03] <PennBot> This channel's food of choice.
[18:03] <EvilResistance> there
[18:04] <FooeyBarBaz> @fail is <reply>What is this "fail"?
[18:04] <PennBot> FooeyBarBaz: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
[18:04] <EvilResistance> thought so
[18:11] <adom> jedijf: im going to try that cli only install of ubuntu...you think id be able to run wine stuff ok?
[18:11] <adom> i dont see why not, just checking
[18:12] <adom> well, i assume id need to install some WM of course
[18:12] <adom> maybe openbox
[18:12] <adom> or even awesome or i3
[18:13] <adom> i just want the universality (is that a word?) of ubuntu and all packages made for ubuntu/aptitude, but with the minimalistic...ness of arch
[18:13] <adom> me xpert werd user
[18:20] <jedijf> adom: seems like you're on the right path
[18:20] <jedijf> cli only and then build up, like a server install with a desktop kernel
[18:20] <InHisName> @fail is <reply>What is this "fail"?
[18:20] <PennBot> InHisName: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
[18:21] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  register with the bot :p
[18:21]  * InHisName IS registered with irc
[18:21] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  but not the bot.
[18:22] <InHisName> @register
[18:22] <PennBot> InHisName: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
[18:22] <EvilResistance> the bot doesnt use nickserv to identify users, its a supybot so it has its own registration system.
[18:22] <InHisName> ++register
[18:25] <adom> i think i have a crush on openbox (don't tell gnome)
[18:27] <InHisName> @list
[18:27] <PennBot> InHisName: Admin, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Google, Karma, Later, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Owner, Seen, User, and Web
[18:28] <InHisName> adom: buying openbox is a great way to save over full retail
[18:29] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  problems?
[18:29] <InHisName> what is command to register
[18:30] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  /msg PennBot @register <name> <password>
[18:30] <EvilResistance> and then after you're registered, do @whoami to make sure it sees you.
[18:30] <EvilResistance> then do @user hostmask add
[18:30] <EvilResistance> (in privmsg)
[18:30] <EvilResistance> so that it will remember your hostname (or dont if you dont want autoidentification to the bot)
[18:30] <InHisName> priv to whom?
[18:31] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  to PennBot
[18:31] <EvilResistance> i just gave you the command string :/
[18:31] <EvilResistance> /msg PennBot [command goes here]
[18:31] <EvilResistance> in this case, /msg PennBot @register <name> <password>
[18:32] <InHisName> o i c
[18:32] <adom>  /msg PennBot @register adom ircpass
[18:32] <EvilResistance> ^ that
[18:32] <EvilResistance> just without the space :P
[18:32] <adom> welcome
[18:33] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  on subsequent reconnect (or should you happen to /part), you will have to reidentify.  its a similar privmsg command: /msg PennBot @identify <name> <password>
[18:33] <InHisName> @fail is <reply>What is this "fail"?
[18:33] <PennBot> InHisName: Command Succeeded.
[18:34] <adom> @fail
[18:34] <PennBot> What is this fail ?
[18:34] <adom> success
[18:34] <InHisName> now are you good with xRDP ?
[18:35] <InHisName> It's a long shot, but I ask anyway.
[18:35] <jedijf> InHisName: have you tried the terminal rdesktop command?
[18:36] <InHisName> Not sure, jedijf, I have tried so many.    xRDP  is only one to claim to use remote desktop client of win and play your linux box back at it.
[18:40] <adom> @rr is http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh
[18:40] <PennBot> adom: Command Succeeded.
[18:40] <adom> SUCCESS
[18:40] <jedijf> InHisName: what port is open on linux box?
[18:41] <adom> does piping work?
[18:41] <adom> @rr | jedijf
[18:41] <PennBot> adom: Error: "rr" is not a valid command.
[18:41] <InHisName> 3389 should be open as that is the default one.
[18:41] <adom> :(
[18:41] <jedijf> InHisName: forget shoulds
[18:41] <adom> rr | jedijf
[18:41] <jedijf> what port *is* open
[18:42] <jedijf> ubu remote desktop opens 5900 in general
[18:42] <jedijf> and then you would use vnc client on win to look into it
[18:42] <adom> @rr
[18:42] <PennBot> rr is http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh
[18:42] <adom> yay
[18:42] <InHisName> xrdp is supposed to work with both or either
[18:44] <InHisName> I did an install of something that someone else fixed their xrdp with.  Need to reboot to test it out.
[18:44] <InHisName> Trying to get caught up reading pidgin to do that.
[18:47] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[18:47] <EvilResistance> and of course it doesnt respond :/
[18:47] <jedijf> bacon is awesome
[18:47] <jedijf> bacon?
[18:47]  * EvilResistance facedesks
[18:47] <InHisName> @bacon
[18:47] <PennBot> This channel's food of choice.
[18:47] <EvilResistance> i've got bots randomly crashing... :/
[18:47] <EvilResistance> this one doesnt work, the bantracker in trekweb's channel is lagging
[18:47] <jedijf> @bacon?
[18:47] <PennBot> This channel's food of choice.
[18:48] <EvilResistance> and my test bot is explodifying
[18:48] <jedijf> forget bacon
[18:48] <EvilResistance> i'll have to see if i cant get it to respond without the @ symbol
[18:48] <jedijf> forget @bacon
[18:48] <adom> @forget bacon
[18:48] <jedijf> bacon?
[18:48] <PennBot> adom: Error: "forget" is not a valid command.
[18:48] <adom> :/
[18:48] <jedijf> @bacon
[18:48] <PennBot> This channel's food of choice.
[18:48] <EvilResistance> @list MoobotFactoids
[18:48] <PennBot> EvilResistance: factinfo, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lock, most, random, remove, and unlock
[18:48] <jedijf> forget @bacon
[18:48] <EvilResistance> @remove bacon
[18:48] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Later and MoobotFactoids plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
[18:48] <EvilResistance> @MoobotFactoids remove bacon
[18:48] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[18:49] <jedijf> ahh
[18:49] <jedijf> use infobot
[18:49] <EvilResistance> this isnt the ubottu factoids thing, that has a memory hole that eats up memory like crazy
[18:49] <JonathanD> wait.
[18:49] <jedijf> or simil;ar
[18:49] <JonathanD> You removed bacon.
[18:49] <EvilResistance> i know i did
[18:49] <EvilResistance> @unload MoobotFactoids
[18:49] <JonathanD> This is not ok. :(
[18:49] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[18:49] <JonathanD> We'll starve without bacon.
[18:49] <jedijf> haha
[18:49] <jedijf> is bacon hilighted JonathanD ?
[18:49] <EvilResistance> JonathanD:  i'll fix it, but first i have to narrow down the InfoBot memory hole :/
[18:49] <InHisName> He's planning to change it to tufu
[18:50] <jedijf> turkey bacon is a sin against humanity
[18:50] <JonathanD> jedijf: no.
[18:50] <jedijf> turkey bacon?
[18:50] <jedijf> @turkey bacon?
[18:50] <adom> bacon turkey?
[18:50] <PennBot> jedijf: Error: "turkey" is not a valid command.
[18:50] <EvilResistance> @load Infobot
[18:50] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Command Succeeded.
[18:50] <EvilResistance> @list Infobot
[18:50] <PennBot> EvilResistance: stats, status, tell, and update
[18:51] <EvilResistance> hmm
[18:51] <jedijf> bacon?
[18:51] <jedijf> bacon is yummy
[18:51] <jedijf> bacon?
[18:51] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>BACON IS AWESOME
[18:51] <PennBot> I guess bacon is yummy, jedijf
[18:51] <PennBot> ... but bacon is yummy ...
[18:51] <jedijf> gtg
[18:51] <jedijf> forget bacon
[18:51] <EvilResistance> @no bacon is <reply>BACON IS AWESOME!
[18:51] <PennBot> I hear ya.
[18:51] <PennBot> Got it, EvilResistance.
[18:51] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[18:51] <EvilResistance> oops
[18:51] <EvilResistance> @bacon
[18:51] <PennBot> I don't know, EvilResistance.
[18:51] <EvilResistance> @bacon is <reply>BACON!!!!
[18:51] <PennBot> Okay!
[18:51] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[18:52] <PennBot> BACON
[18:52] <adom> YES
[18:52] <EvilResistance> bleh, it doesnt like punctuation marks
[18:52] <EvilResistance> i'll hammer out the bugs in a bit, i'm in the middle of something
[18:55] <adom> @MutantTurkey is <reply>GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE.
[18:55] <PennBot> Got it, adom.
[18:55]  * adom <.< >.>
[18:56] <jthan> jthan?
[18:56] <jthan> @karma
[18:56] <PennBot> jthan: Highest karma: "xkcd" (102), "naps" (34), "jedijf" (17), "PennBot" (17), "lamalex" (17), "cats" (14), "zsh" (13), and "linux" (13).  Lowest karma: "bvag" (-29), "morning" (-26), "mondays" (-8), "aa" (-8), "Dell" (-7), "old_news" (-7), "PennBotJr" (-7), and "surrogate_mondays" (-6).  You (jthan) are ranked 44 out of 1579.
[18:56] <jthan> This PennBot sucks
[18:57] <jthan> @karma jthan
[18:57] <PennBot> jthan: Karma for "jthan" has been increased 11 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of 3.
[18:57] <jthan> first_law?
[18:57] <jthan> @jthan
[18:57] <PennBot> Bugger all, I dunno!
[18:57] <jthan> @firstlaw
[18:57] <PennBot> Wish I knew, jthan.
[18:57] <jthan> @first_law
[18:57] <PennBot> No idea, jthan.
[18:57] <jthan> Alright, I'm done.
[18:57] <EvilResistance> @part #ubuntu-us-pa
[18:58]  * adom XD haha
[18:58]  * adom =X
[18:59] <EvilResistance> if i were to load andrews, it glitches out and explodifies :/
[19:02] <EvilResistance> lets see if i cant pull the infobot configs from the older pennbot before i bring it back in
[19:03] <InHisName> u kiked him out ?
[19:03] <EvilResistance> for about 5 seconds
[19:03] <EvilResistance> or so
[19:03]  * EvilResistance is fixing something system side and expects several timeouts and reconnects, and doesnt want to flood the channel
[19:04] <InHisName> @logs
[19:04] <InHisName> logs?
[19:04] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  i dont see pennbot here, do you see it?
[19:04] <EvilResistance> nope, its not here
[19:04] <InHisName> 5 seconds ?
[19:04] <EvilResistance> its still stuck in a timeout thingy
[19:04] <EvilResistance> (5 seconds was optimistic)
[19:05] <InHisName> you said it !
[19:05] <EvilResistance> okay, now i have to see if i can load the old pennbot's infobot configs and db
[19:06] <InHisName> ubunutpennsylvaina.org  has chat ref but no refs to logs /  stats ?
[19:06] <pleia2> InHisName: just go to irclogs.ubuntu.com
[19:06] <EvilResistance> InHisName:  logs are done elsewhere i think
[19:07] <pleia2> the logs on ubuntupennsylvania.org don't work anymore because PennBot doesn't live on that server anymore
[19:07] <rmg51> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[19:07] <EvilResistance> stats arent web-facing on this pennbot (i dont have a stable connection to work with web-facing HTTP stats, not without configuring nginx to be public, and i dont want that atm)
[19:08] <EvilResistance> pleia2:  ubottu doesnt have a web-facing channel stats page does it?
[19:08] <EvilResistance> the plugins i'm finding that do web-facing stats all explodify
[19:08] <pleia2> ubottu doesn't even do logging
[19:08] <pleia2> ubuntulog just does logging, no stats at all
[19:08] <EvilResistance> thought not.
[19:08] <EvilResistance> yeah, that's what i figured, i'll have to debug the plugins then
[19:08]  * EvilResistance fires up evolution and sends off emails
[19:12] <InHisName> jthan: was online for a bit while I was rebooting.     Anyone care that pennbot is lawless concerning jthan ?
[19:15] <InHisName> Now to test the xrdp once again.   Will I get more than an empty desktop ?  Maybe some Icons and or Unity?
[19:22] <EvilResistance> try again, i loaded the old factoids db (i think)
[19:22] <EvilResistance> @load Infobot
[19:22] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Error: Infobot is already loaded.
[19:22] <EvilResistance> lol?
[19:22] <PennBot> I WILL SHOOT YOU. I WILL SHOOT YOU IN THE FACE
[19:23] <EvilResistance> yep, its back
[19:23] <EvilResistance> bacon?
[19:23] <EvilResistance> ooh the old pennbot didnt have bacon o.O
[19:38] <rmg51> @fifth_law
[19:38] <PennBot> fifth_law is under no circumstances is jthan to get a cookie, rmg51
[19:38] <EvilResistance> rmg51:  this is courtesy of andrew giving me the tarball of the old pennbot, so i can restore all the old dbs
[19:38] <rmg51> we're good now
[19:38] <EvilResistance> the old karma db is whats currently loaded in karma, too
[19:39] <InHisName> @karma
[19:39] <PennBot> InHisName: Highest karma: "xkcd" (102), "naps" (34), "jedijf" (17), "PennBot" (17), "lamalex" (17), "cats" (14), "zsh" (13), and "linux" (13).  Lowest karma: "bvag" (-29), "morning" (-26), "mondays" (-8), "aa" (-8), "Dell" (-7), "old_news" (-7), "PennBotJr" (-7), and "surrogate_mondays" (-6).  You (InHisName) are ranked 1081 out of 1579.
[19:39] <EvilResistance> the trick is correctly grafting the old file onto the correct location for the new PennBot
[19:39] <InHisName> @inhisname
[19:39] <EvilResistance> failure to do so explodifies everything
[19:39] <PennBot> Rumor has it inhisname is for the moment, jthan, InHisName
[19:39] <InHisName> @karma inhisname
[19:40] <PennBot> InHisName: Karma for "inhisname" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
[19:40] <EvilResistance> granted it might have my old nicks...
[19:40] <EvilResistance> @karma CaptainTrek
[19:40] <PennBot> EvilResistance: CaptainTrek has neutral karma.
[19:40] <EvilResistance> nope...
[19:40] <EvilResistance> @karma Trek
[19:40] <PennBot> EvilResistance: Karma for "Trek" has been increased 2 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 0.
[19:40] <EvilResistance> that it does have :P
[19:41] <jedijf> beasties
[20:16] <adom> hi @mutantturkey
[20:16]  * adom glares at PennBot.
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> hi
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> :)
[20:18] <jedijf> MutantTurkey?
[20:18] <PennBot> MutantTurkey is weak. =/ or invalid, jedijf
[20:18] <adom> @mutantturkey
[20:18] <PennBot> mutantturkey is weak. =/ or invalid, adom
[20:18] <jedijf> old db
[20:19] <adom> jedijf: mine was better
[20:19] <jedijf> forget MutantTurkey
[20:19] <PennBot> 10-4.
[20:19] <jedijf> redo it
[20:19] <adom> @mutantturkey
[20:19] <PennBot> I guess mutantturkey is GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE, adom
[20:20] <adom> at least i thought it was.
[20:20] <adom> forget MutantTurkey
[20:20] <PennBot> 10-4.
[20:20] <adom> 10-20?
[20:21] <adom> @10-20 is <reply>teh interwebz
[20:21] <PennBot> Gotcha.
[20:21] <adom> 10-20?
[20:21] <PennBot> teh interwebz
[20:21] <adom> 10-4
[20:21] <adom> @mutantturkey is <reply>GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE.
[20:21] <PennBot> Okay!
[20:22] <adom> mutantturkey
[20:22] <adom> mutantturkey?
[20:22] <PennBot> GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE
[20:22] <adom> ^_^
[20:27] <adom> @RTFM is <reply>Roger That Friend of Mine!.
[20:27] <PennBot> Gotcha, adom.
[20:28] <adom> hmm
[20:29] <adom> @test
[20:29] <PennBot> adom
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> sorry sorry sorry!
[20:31] <MutantTurkey> i was busy
[20:31] <adom> @adomstest
[20:31] <PennBot> /me is testing
[20:32] <adom> hmm
[20:32]  * adom waves at MutantTurkey
[20:32] <MutantTurkey> hey oh
[20:32] <MutantTurkey> that is what I miss the most about pennbot
[20:32] <MutantTurkey> the auto answering
[20:33] <adom> MutantTurkey?
[20:33] <PennBot> GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE
[20:33] <MutantTurkey> :[
[20:33] <Sadin_> MutantTurkey?
[20:33] <PennBot> GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE
[20:33] <Sadin_> :D
[20:33] <Sadin_> YAY!
[20:33] <Sadin_> MutantTurkey?
[20:33] <PennBot> GOBBLE GOBBLE BABY. GOBBLE GOBBLE
[20:33] <Sadin_> BAHAHA
[20:33]  * Sadin_ like
[20:34] <Sadin_> Sadin?
[20:34] <PennBot> It has been said that Sadin is really hoping i dont have to even though i love ubuntu more then windows because i need PS, Sadin_
[20:34] <Sadin_> hahaha
[20:34] <Sadin_> thats old
[20:35]  * Sadin_ laughs maniacally no one should have showed him this
[20:35] <MutantTurkey> how do you set it again?
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog is barking up the wrong tree?
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog?
[20:36] <PennBot> Somebody said ChinnoDog is trying to install my company's product in cxoffice again. This will never work. hehe or is, and has always been, 3 days late or someone who doesn't care much about the less fortunate or "I think I have a plan for a workaround." or a Windows expert, MutantTurkey
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> or something...
[20:36] <adom> @command is <reply>result
[20:36] <PennBot> Got it, adom.
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> right
[20:36] <adom> forget command
[20:36] <PennBot> Okay!
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> @ChinnoDog is barking up the wrong tree
[20:36] <PennBot> ... but ChinnoDog is trying to install my company's product in cxoffice again. This will never work. hehe or is, and has always been, 3 days late or someone who doesn't care much about the less fortunate or "I think I have a plan for a workaround." or a Windows expert ...
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> FORGET IT MAN
[20:36] <MutantTurkey> :/
[20:36] <EvilResistance> #channelstats #ubuntu-us-pa
[20:36] <EvilResistance> oops
[20:37] <EvilResistance> @channelstats
[20:37] <PennBot> EvilResistance: On # there have been 358 messages, containing 11312 characters, 1921 words, 5 smileys, and 11 frowns; 11 of those messages were ACTIONs.  There have been 17 joins, 4 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 3 mode changes, and 1 topic change.
[20:37] <MutantTurkey> meh
[20:37] <MutantTurkey> there was a point where jthan had the most recorded lines
[20:37] <MutantTurkey> he used to monologue alot
[20:37] <EvilResistance> @channelstats #ubuntu-us-pa\
[20:37] <PennBot> EvilResistance: On # there have been 363 messages, containing 11652 characters, 1981 words, 5 smileys, and 11 frowns; 11 of those messages were ACTIONs.      There have been 1 join, 0 parts, 2 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes.
[21:19] <EvilResistance> there we go, that fixes that :P
[21:36] <jedijf> EvilResistance: http://pisg.sourceforge.net/
[21:36] <PennBot> Title: pisg - Perl IRC Statistics Generator :: Home (at pisg.sourceforge.net)
[21:36] <EvilResistance> you're the second person to point me to that
[21:36] <jedijf> http://stats.sunnyirc.tk/bokairc.html
[21:36] <PennBot> Title: #bokairc @ SunnyIRC stats by StatsBot (at stats.sunnyirc.tk)
[21:36] <jedijf> or the same person twice
[21:38] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  come up with  a solution that scrapes all of the ubuntulog logs back to 2004, that gets the stats, and allows users to do funky things with them.  then give that information to AlanBell.  then ask for $20 and recognition of your dedication to the IRC Bots Team
[22:24] <andrew> EvilResistance: No problem
[23:06] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I just took a loaf out of the oven. You'd be proud. This one could be sandwich grade.
[23:07] <Resistance> sandwich--
[23:07] <ChinnoDog> You have something against sandwiches?
[23:07] <Resistance> yeah, i just had two
[23:08] <ChinnoDog> Doesn't sound like you have anything against them then
[23:14] <Resistance> nope, just sick of em today
[23:17] <Resistance> @karma sandwich
[23:17] <PennBot> Resistance: Karma for "sandwich" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
[23:35] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: nice, another sour?
[23:35] <jedijf> @karma sammich
[23:35] <PennBot> jedijf: sammich has neutral karma.
[23:36] <Resistance> sa
[23:36] <Resistance> oops
[23:36] <Resistance> sammich++
[23:36] <Resistance> sammich--
[23:36] <Resistance> :P


[21:23] <hads> How rude. I have a tablet that I've not been updating Google Calendar on for months since the new closed version came out. Now it's decided to update itself.
[21:25] <hads> More rude is that even with all the Google account sync options disabled, the new closed calendar app still defaults to using the Google account for entries.


[03:59] <LLStarks> asac, what's next?
[07:27] <eagles0513875> morning
[18:40] <mac_v> asac: around?
[18:41] <mac_v> i can see this Bug #439172 with gnome 3 also , only the nm-applet blurrs


[14:01]  * sinzui looks around
[14:02] <allenap> Hello sinzui!
[14:02] <bac> did we not decide to take the next two weeks off
[14:02] <sinzui> I don't know. I have not had enough coffee to become sentient
[14:03] <flacoste> me
[14:03] <abentley> It is on the calendar.  I've missed a bunch due to sprints and time off.
[14:05] <flacoste> hmm
[14:05] <flacoste> actually, we don't have one today!
[14:05] <flacoste> as barry is on a train
[14:05] <intellectronica> according to the logs, it's cancelled
[14:05] <flacoste> right
[14:05] <sinzui> Since I have some many rocket scientists attention. Will anyone give me the approval to change all
[14:05] <sinzui>     from canonical.launchpad.interfaces import
[14:05] <sinzui> to
[14:05] <sinzui>     from canonical.launchpad.interfaces.<module> import
[14:05] <sinzui> I think that will make the apocalypse come quicker
[14:06] <intellectronica> sinzui: in tests i prefer the former
[14:06] <intellectronica> doctests, that is
[14:06] <sinzui> intellectronica: Thanks for bring that up. the code I wrote only changes .py files.
[14:07] <intellectronica> sinzui: i think it will be awesome if you change that in all python modules
[14:07] <sinzui> I hope it will prevent the cyclic import hell I am seeing in the registry migration


[05:28] <MattQC> hello
[05:29] <gantrixx> anyone here?
[05:29] <hypatia> yup!
[05:30] <MattQC> hello
[05:30] <MattQC> yep, I would hope so
[05:30] <gantrixx> This is the first time this has ever happened.  When I rebooted, my computer goes into text mode.  If I try to manually start gdm, it says it is already started
[05:30] <MattQC> gantrixx hypatia: how are you both?
[05:30] <gantrixx> MattQC, I'm frustrated
[05:30] <gantrixx> how are you?
[05:31] <MattQC> hmm, odd?
[05:31] <MattQC> never had that happen before
[05:31] <gantrixx> ctrl-alt-F7 just results in blank screen
[05:31] <MattQC> I'm okay, seeing I don't have a verbose login problem
[05:32] <MattQC> I think that's what they call it, verbose mode, no?
[05:32] <MattQC> I'm vacillating now between Fedora 14 and Ubuntu 10.10
[05:32] <gantrixx> oh, I think I might know what it is
[05:32] <hypatia> gantrixx: can you kill it and then restart it?
[05:32] <hypatia> that's odd
[05:33] <hypatia> what do you think it is?
[05:33] <gantrixx> fglrx
[05:34] <gantrixx> I was trying to remove mysql-server
[05:34] <hypatia> ahh
[05:34] <gantrixx> for some reason it had some dependency on fglrx
[05:34] <gantrixx> and it couldn't uninstall fglrx
[05:34] <gantrixx> so maybe it partially removed it
[05:34] <gantrixx> there are some weird things with 10.10
[05:35] <hypatia> that is mega weird
[05:35] <gantrixx> well that was it
[05:36] <MattQC> I've always been an Ubuntu type, but wanted to give Fedora a look see with the new release
[05:37] <hypatia> how's that been working, MattQC ?
[05:50] <MattQC> hypatia: back
[05:50] <hypatia> wb
[05:51] <MattQC> hypatia: Thanks. Now chatting from Pidgin, via Windows :(
[05:51] <hypatia> :(
[05:51] <hypatia> at least it's pidgin!
[05:51] <MattQC> Okay, I am going to ditch Fedora I think, and head back to Ubuntu
[05:51] <MattQC> Yes yes, indeed
[05:51] <hypatia> welcome back, i guess? :)
[05:51] <MattQC> I´ve become used to XChat however
[05:51] <MattQC> yes yes
[05:51] <MattQC> Just easier to configure the installer, and on my ThinkPad too
[05:52] <MattQC> checked power consumption on the other distro via PowerTop, and it´s about the same
[05:52] <MattQC> I am going to head to bed shortly however. It´s almost 2am here in Montréal


[16:42] <codeyman> Hi guys..  could you please take a look at the script section of https://gist.github.com/codeyman/59b8ac242de6c45cc65d4c933ca2828e? For some reason when I shutdown "myserver", it is not revaluating "MY_KEY". It works only during full restart.
[18:14] <hallyn> how does /tmp/keygen look, and does the 'script' section definately get re-run?
[18:32] <codeyman> hallyn: No it doesn't get rerun.. :(


[08:59] <bzoltan> sil2100: robru: may i get a kick on this https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-014/excuses.html
[08:59] <sil2100> bzoltan: looking
[08:59] <sil2100> Oh, that one again
[08:59] <sil2100> Kicked
[09:02] <sil2100> dbarth: hey! This silo needs to be switched to a triple landing and re-built for yakkety: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1344
[09:02] <sil2100> dbarth, jibel: ^ I suppose such action shouldn't require any re-testing?
[09:29] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: hi guys, any chance silo 3 will be validated today?
[09:33] <rvr> oSoMoN: Yes
[09:33] <oSoMoN> great!
[09:49] <pstolowski> uh, no silos available..
[09:52] <pstolowski> robru, hey, it would be nice to display a 'no silos avail' message in the Status of the silo, it stays at 'New' if Assign fails
[10:53] <sil2100> dbarth: ping
[11:10] <bzoltan> sil2100:  may I ask for an other kick - https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-014/excuses.html
[11:15] <sil2100> Done o/
[11:17] <bzoltan> sil2100:  thank you, this time the unity8 was acting up :)
[11:55] <dbarth> sil2100: pong
[11:58] <sil2100> dbarth: did you see my message above about the silo?
[12:01] <dbarth> sil2100: hmm, nope, just automated queuebot messages; what's up ?
[12:02] <sil2100> dbarth: so https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1344 this would need to be converted to a triple-landing silo
[12:02] <sil2100> SInce I can't release it as it is now
[12:02] <sil2100> So changed to a trio-landing and the yakkety packages built (with a re-build)
[12:02] <sil2100> This *shouldn't* require a QA re-test I would expect
[12:07] <dbarth> sil2100: ah ok, i will do the change and rebuild
[12:15] <sil2100> dbarth: thanks
[12:21] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Are you able to kick stuck britney jobs?  The i386 job for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-051/excuses.html has already been re-tried once, so I'm not sure what is going on.
[12:24] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Also, when it comes time to land that silo, we will need coordinate deprecating the ubuntu-pocket-desktop metapackage and the -pd channel in general.  We will need to see python3-libertine-chroot in the ubuntu image at that time.  But that landing will remove the libertine-demo package.
[12:24] <ChrisTownsend> /s/see/seed
[12:24] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend: ok, I have powers to re-try, not sure if I can do anything else
[12:25] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: ok, thanks
[12:25] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Also, about -pd, ubuntu-app-launch already pulls in xmir, so that is already in the main ubuntu channel.
[12:25] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend: as for PD - ok, in case I miss the silo landing, could you poke me as well once everything is ready for the ubuntu-pd channel deprecation?
[12:25] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Absolutely!
[12:25] <sil2100> Yeah, saw that last time I checked
[12:25] <sil2100> THanks :)
[12:25] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: k, cool
[12:26] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: thank you too!
[12:42] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Sorry to bother you again, but have you tried to kick https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-051/excuses.html ?  I ask because I have to see it show up in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml.
[13:00] <sil2100> ChrisTownsend: I couldn't deal with it myself, didn't manage to find a way of doing that, but pitti re-scheduled it just now
[13:09] <ChrisTownsend> sil2100: Ok, thank you
[13:19] <bzoltan> sil2100:  I am not sure if the previous attempt has finished already or it is a new flakiness -> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-014/excuses.html
[13:46] <sil2100> bzoltan: *sigh* I would expect it to be a new thing already
[13:46] <sil2100> Let me retry once more
[14:16] <rvr> oSoMoN: ping
[14:17] <oSoMoN> rvr, hey, I just saw your comment on silo 3, testing again, I’m pretty sure it was working for me when I tested with a bt keyboard
[14:17] <rvr> oSoMoN: I also tried with an USB keyboard with the same result
[14:24] <oSoMoN> rvr, just tested on arale with a bt keyboard, and Ctrl+- and Ctrl+0 work, Ctrl++ doesn’t because the + is on the second level of the key (shift), but I suspect that’s a bug somewhere else in the stack
[14:29] <rvr> oSoMoN: With my USB keyboard, none work: +, - and 0
[14:30] <oSoMoN> rvr, and with your bt keyboard?
[14:31] <rvr> oSoMoN: Neither
[14:33] <oSoMoN> rvr, mmm… it would be interesting to see if those shortcuts work in a simple QML scene
[14:33] <oSoMoN> rvr, if I send you a simple test app, can you test in on your device?
[14:33] <rvr> oSoMoN: of course
[14:34] <oSoMoN> rvr, okay, give me a moment, I’ll create that for you
[15:24] <oSoMoN> rvr, it’s taking me longer to create that test app than I expected, but I’m on it
[15:26] <rvr> oSoMoN: Ack
[16:20] <awe> ping trainguards, need some assistance with https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1462
[16:21] <robru> awe:  hi
[16:21] <awe> hey...  it's me again
[16:21] <awe> ;D
[16:21] <robru> awe: what's up?
[16:21] <awe> I seem to be in a rock in a hard place, whenever it comes to landing NM
[16:22] <awe> so, the silo is marked for triple landing
[16:22] <awe> however I've only uploaded vivid and xenial versions to the silo
[16:22] <awe> for reasons previously described, I can't triple land the same code in all three places
[16:22] <robru> awe: ok
[16:23] <awe> ( and note, this will need to be discussed in the context of our PPA becoming a "generic" stable overlay PPA
[16:23] <awe> but that's another conversation I'll pickup on the UES ml
[16:23] <robru> awe: what?
[16:24] <robru> awe: I'm not sure what you're needing help with but as far as I can see on the ticket, you need to get britney & qa approval, then I can copy those packages into the overlay ppa.
[16:24] <awe> so just trying to figure out how to get britney approval
[16:25] <awe> davmor2 is waiting to test
[16:26] <awe> robru, I wasn't sure whether or not the lack of a y package, would cause the britney approval to stall; also this is one part of the landing process that I don't fully grok
[16:27] <robru> awe: yeah I'm not sure how a missing yakkety package will affect britney. I think it'll just look at yakkety, see there's nothing there, and approve it because it's a no-op.
[16:28] <robru> awe: so the thing about britney is that it iterates over each ticket in series, which is quite slow. last run took an 72 minutes. but that finished 20 minute ago, which means the new run should have picked up your ticket.
[16:28] <awe> davmor2 ^^
[16:28] <robru> awe: davmor2: so at some point in the next 50 minutes it should pop up with a result
[16:29] <awe> ty
[16:29] <davmor2> awesome news
[16:29] <robru> awe: davmor2: however if there are autopkgtests, that means it'll only just have *started* the autopkgtests.
[16:30] <awe> davmor2, guess I should've approved it last night!  That said, I wanted to ensure I had the Y mp submitted first.  hindsight...
[16:30] <robru> awe: davmor2: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/log_20160608_161001.txt here's the log if you want to watch it live, eventually you should see -077 in there.
[16:30] <awe> cool
[16:31] <davmor2> awe: hindsight is always 20/20 vision :)
[16:31] <awe> indeed
[16:33] <bzoltan> sil2100:  I know it is annoying... flaky tests are horrible. Would it be possible to kick only the vivid and yakketi tests?
[16:33] <bzoltan> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/yakkety/landing-014/excuses.html
[16:33] <bzoltan> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-014/excuses.html
[16:33] <bzoltan> xenial is now clean... and now the other two are acting up
[16:41] <dobey> robru: hrmm, seems like the new build stuff only takes the first line of commit messages now?
[16:41] <robru> dobey: yes, wasn't it always like that?
[16:42] <dobey> i don't think so
[16:42] <robru> dobey: there was a build time option for "TAKE_WHOLE_COMMIT_MESSAGE" but the default thing was to truncate. I guess it truncated at the first blank line rather than just the first line.
[16:43] <robru> dobey: anyway that value gets passed in to dch which forcibly re-wraps it, so passing in multiple lines probably isn't what you want.
[16:43] <robru> or rather, probably won't do what you want
[16:44] <dobey> well what i want/expect is for each line to be a new "* foo" line in the changelog.
[16:44] <robru> dobey: hmmm
[16:44] <dobey> well, non-blank line starting after each newline or something
[16:45] <dobey> not sure how feasilble that is, given the tooling
[16:45] <robru> dobey: well I mean I could iterate over the lines of that field rather than just truncating to the first line, I'm just wondering if your expectations match everybody else's though, that behavior might be quite a surprise to everybody else.
[16:47] <robru> dobey: oh, no, that won't work, because it scans the source branch for linked bugs, and it would have no way to know which linked bug goes with which line of the commit message field. so you'd get "* foo (LP: #1)\n* bar (LP: #1)\n* grill (LP: #1)" in your changelog
[16:48] <dobey> robru: well, it could only add it to the first line or something
[16:48] <robru> dobey: if you're wanting tighter control of how your changelog comes out, you're better off just writing it yourself and leaving the commit message field blank. then it'll use debcommit so the bzr commit message matches what you wrote in the changelog
[16:49] <dobey> robru: on the other hand, there's another issue where if the commit message has (LP: #foo) in it already, train still adds it to the end :)
[16:49] <robru> yeah, so stop writing (LP: #foo) in your commit message field :-P
[16:49] <dobey> well, i didn't
[16:49] <dobey> i just noticed that, when someone else did
[16:50] <dobey> i have long been an advocate of not duplicating that data in the commit message, since bzr has meatadata for storing it in the history
[16:50] <robru> yeah
[16:51] <dobey> oh well
[17:38] <robru> awe: yeah, so autopkgtests are running now https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/vivid/landing-077/excuses.html
[17:39] <robru> awe: the blank yakkety result shouldn't interfere with the overall outcome.
[17:40] <awe> thanks robru; been keeping an eye on it too
[17:41] <robru> awe: you're welcome.
[17:42] <robru> awe: sorry if I didn't explain it well before, when I said "you should see a result within 50 minutes", that includes "autopkgtests have started running" as "a result"
[17:42] <robru> awe: not that it would be *completed* within those 50 minutes
[19:55] <robru> heh
[22:18] <jhodapp> robru, koza could use a hand in figuring this issue out with his silo: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1376
[22:18] <robru> jhodapp: you mean destination version missing?
[22:18] <robru> jhodapp: or the britney failure?
[22:19] <jhodapp> britney failure
[22:19] <jhodapp> I just gave it a quick glance, so maybe it's something simple
[22:19] <jhodapp> he's newer to the landing process though
[22:19] <robru> jhodapp: so what it's saying there is that the destination version is newer than the silo version.
[22:20] <robru> jhodapp: so this upload was published from a different silo but hasn't merged yet: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/0.4+16.10.20160606-0ubuntu1
[22:20] <robru> jhodapp: you'll need to wait for that to merge and then rebuild
[22:21] <jhodapp> robru, cool thanks, I'll pass along the info
[22:21] <robru> jhodapp: once it merges the silo status will say "needs rebuild due to new commits"
[22:21] <jhodapp> yeah makes sense
[22:21] <jhodapp> thanks robru
[22:21] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome. yeah here's the ticket that was just published: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1507
[22:21] <jhodapp> thanks


[01:26] <vychune> anybody home?
[01:26] <cyberanger> nope
[01:26] <cyberanger> but I am here ;-)
[01:27] <cyberanger> what's up vychune
[01:27] <vychune> nothing watching anime on youtube again
[01:27] <vychune> sorry i missed the meet i was at work
[01:28] <cyberanger> happens
[01:29] <cyberanger> unfortunately, paying the internet bill is more important than using the internet for irc
[01:29] <vychune> lol
[01:30] <vychune> what are you up to?
[01:34] <chibihogoshino> cyberanger: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/AxVtfWWH4tw/Bill-Gates-Says-Anti-Vaccine-Effort-Kills-Children
[01:36] <cyberanger> vychune: not much, just a little work
[01:36] <vychune> oh ok
[01:36] <cyberanger> chibihogoshino: well, he's either right or wrong
[01:36] <chibihogoshino> lol
[01:36] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[01:36] <cyberanger> unfortunately, both options involve risk of death
[01:37] <vychune> something to think about
[01:38] <cyberanger> Newton's laws of motion
[01:38] <cyberanger> law of unintended consequences
[01:39] <cyberanger> Finagle's Law of Dynamic Negatives
[01:39] <cyberanger> all three show how that fight is a huge mess
[01:41] <vychune> yep
[01:46] <chibihogoshino> yeah
[01:53] <vychune> you heard about bing stealing Google results ?
[01:55] <cyberanger> nope
[01:55] <cyberanger> I find it hard to steal information
[01:57] <vychune> lol
[02:02]  * cyberanger now catches the hockey game
[02:04] <cyberanger> and wow, my team is really killing today, against it's rival, who last two years won the championship
[02:04] <cyberanger> I expected this to be a losing game, a slaughter on ice
[02:14] <cyberanger> man, this is a sad game for the other team
[02:15] <cyberanger> gonna head offline for a bit
[02:44] <wrst> cyberanger: have you tried unity yet?
[02:50] <vychune> you have?
[02:52] <cyberanger> wrst: a little
[02:52] <wrst> alpha 2 has regressed a little for me
[02:54] <vychune> i cant get it to install (im trying 2d)
[02:59] <cyberanger> vychune: why 2D
[03:02] <vychune> i have a mesa card
[03:05] <wrst> ahh vychune that stinks
[03:05] <vychune> ikr
[03:09] <vychune> i cant get it to install
[03:10] <vychune> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10431993#post10431993
[03:13] <wrst> hmm vychune are you trying that on 10.10?
[03:14] <vychune> yes
[03:14] <vychune> xubuntu
[03:14] <wrst> are you installing unity 2d from a ppa?
[03:14] <wrst> or is it in the repos?
[03:15] <vychune> not sure
[03:16] <wrst> i'm betting 10.10 may not ever have the dependencies possibly?
[03:17] <vychune> oh
[03:17] <wrst> at least that's what the errors are about
[03:18] <vychune> yeah
[03:19] <wrst> vychune: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-unity-2d-install.html
[03:20] <vychune> taking a look
[03:22] <vychune> hey a guy from another chan can use irc and torrent but cant sruf the net why not?
[03:25] <wrst> vychune: cyberanger will be better on this but probably something with his connection of course, i've had that same isue before
[03:25] <wrst> i don't really know what the deal was
[03:25] <vychune> aww mannn
[03:26] <wrst> but i had that at work and had to have them come out and do osomething
[03:47]  * cyberanger catches up to the chat
[03:47] <vychune> hey
[03:48] <cyberanger> vychune: it could be connection issue, irc is really low on bandwith
[03:49] <cyberanger> the torrenting bit complicates a little
[03:49] <cyberanger> who's his provider
[03:50] <vychune> idk but hes in Paris lol
[03:51] <cyberanger> and is he bittorrenting while on irc and trying to surfing
[03:51] <vychune> yes lol
[03:52] <cyberanger> not stopping torrenting or throttling himself
[03:53] <vychune> rephrase that for me lol
[03:54] <cyberanger> throttling himself, telling his client to hog his connection less
[03:54] <cyberanger> or in essense pausing it , surf the net
[03:54] <vychune> he said hes from egypt
[03:55] <vychune> lol
[03:55] <cyberanger> from egypt or paris
[03:55] <vychune> egypt
[03:55] <vychune> i got paris from a WHOIS
[03:55] <cyberanger> the isp firewalled him
[03:55] <cyberanger> and the rest of the country
[03:56] <cyberanger> censorship
[03:56] <vychune> then why can he irc?
[03:56] <cyberanger> irc is so oldschool, gets overlooked sometimes
[03:56] <vychune> and torrent?
[03:56] <cyberanger> or is just outside their goals
[03:57] <cyberanger> only firewalling port 80, facebook, youtube twitter
[03:58] <cyberanger> torrenting is a different set of ports, very random
[03:58] <vychune> oh
[03:58] <cyberanger> irc is 6667 or a few others
[03:59] <vychune> ok u learn something everyday
[03:59] <cyberanger> there's other explanations, but the end result seems to be censorship
[04:02] <vychune> this is what he just said
 everything is shut down
[04:02] <vychune> * Notify: Ananas is online (FreeNode).
 define everything
 banks gas stations everything
 wow
 I cann't get my salary
 i can't imagine that
 atm machines are destroyed
[04:06] <vychune> gtg
[04:06] <vychune> thanks guys
[04:49] <cyberanger> vychune: that's a place with dark times ahead
[04:49] <vychune> oh yes
[04:49] <cyberanger> the fact he has internet is an improvement
[04:49] <vychune> yep
[04:49] <vychune> or hes hacking
[04:50] <cyberanger> egypt was offline entirely
[04:50] <cyberanger> not much you can hack
[04:50] <cyberanger> but circumvent is possible
[04:51] <vychune> hmm
[18:05] <vychune> sssuuuuuuuuuuuuppper boooooooooooooooowl
[18:06]  * cyberanger gags a little, goes looking for a hockey game to ease his stomach
[18:10] <vychune> lol
[18:10] <vychune> i wish nashville didnt suck so much lol
[18:12] <cyberanger> I never said nashville
[18:13] <cyberanger> and actually the preds were real good recently, came close to the stanley cup
[18:13] <cyberanger> they got knocked out by either the red wings or the blackhawks, I forget which
[18:14] <cyberanger> then the red wings knocked out the blackhawks (one of my teams) and won their divison
[18:15] <cyberanger> (I got payback cause they lost to the penguins (another of my teams) and then the next year the blackhawks grabbed the championship too)
[18:15] <vychune> cool
[18:15] <vychune> and good for nashtown
[18:18] <cyberanger> shame memphis doesn't have a team
[18:18] <cyberanger> of course chattanooga has nothing
[18:18] <cyberanger> knoxville has a minor league at least
[18:18] <orias> http://www.acanac.com/Dear%20Acanac%20Customer.pdf
[18:20] <cyberanger> orias: ?
[18:22] <vychune> noone in memphis wants hockey
[18:22] <orias> a canadian isp is willing to fill your hard drive for you and ship it to you to bypass their new caps a nd usage based billing
[18:22] <orias> 0.0
[18:22] <vychune> thats why the kings left
[18:22] <cyberanger> oh, you've been following that too
[18:23] <vychune> internet around the world is going nuts
[18:23] <cyberanger> UBB, not a bad model when nothing else works, like satellite
[18:23] <cyberanger> but that's comparing it to nothing ;-)
[18:24] <cyberanger> vychune: canada is a legal issue, one I'm working with (against? idk, I'm with the people wanting it gone)
[18:24] <cyberanger> egypt is a political issue, china is too
[18:25] <cyberanger> cuba is policital, but also cost (due to our policits here)
[18:25] <vychune> havent heard about cuba
[18:25] <cyberanger> cuba is since day one, just like china
[18:26] <cyberanger> only we embargo everyone who could provide better service
[18:26] <cyberanger> so it's become a two tier system, cubanet and the www
[18:27] <vychune> oh wow
[18:27] <cyberanger> costs less for cubanet, since cuba's only access is a sprint vsat system (an exception in the embargo)
[18:27] <cyberanger> but they also filter and monitor cubanet and the internet
[18:28] <vychune> hmm ok
[18:28] <cyberanger> they being cuba
[18:29] <cyberanger> and for awhile google, facebook and twitter were blocking cuba
[18:29] <cyberanger> out of fear of the embargo
[18:29] <vychune> wtf
[18:29] <cyberanger> that seems resolved now
[18:30] <vychune> i can take facebook and twitter but i cant use google?!?!?
[18:30] <vychune> id be dying
[18:31] <vychune> lol
[18:31] <cyberanger> but if you look into historical details, the internet isn't really broken, just struggling to adapt and overcome issues that have plagued it from day one
[18:31] <cyberanger> the issue is it's standing out further than ever before
[18:33] <vychune> true true
[18:35] <cyberanger> and that highlights just how vulnurable intenet is
[18:35] <cyberanger> and other packet switched systems
[18:47] <vychune> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fbn_super_bowl_never_missed
[20:10] <vychune> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oseH9dErZLM
[20:13] <techMiles> vychune: awesome
[20:13] <vychune> ikr
[22:55]  * wrst peeks before the superbowl
[22:55] <vychune> lol
[22:56] <wrst> i suspect things to get really quiet, except for cyberanger who thinks soccer is futball :P
[22:57] <cyberanger> wrst: that's not me mate
[22:57] <cyberanger> I'm hockey
[22:57] <wrst> ha ha i thought you were soccer guy too? that's pace_t_zulu sorry :)
[22:58] <cyberanger> (however soccer here is football everywhere else, and you don't thow a football, amarican idoim
[22:59] <cyberanger> was, got out a LONG time ago, everybody quit caring about the game itself, sportsmanship = /dev/null )
[23:01] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger its what makes us great throwing a football :)
[23:01]  * cyberanger rolls eyes
[23:01] <wrst> well i'm going to get natty to updating and go watch some football being thrown :)
[23:04] <vychune> lol
[23:06] <wrst> kernel update... this won't break anything ...
[23:06] <cyberanger> wrst: maybe your so called 'football' ;-)
[23:08] <vychune> HAHA
[23:11]  * cyberanger says in his best french accent (which for some unexpected reason, sounds just like his worst) "now go away before I taunt you a second time"
[23:14] <cyberanger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs
[23:14] <vychune> http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DoseH9dErZLM&h=c7803
[23:20] <cyberanger> vychune: that's actually pretty good
[23:20] <vychune> yep it is
[23:23] <cyberanger> vychune: rarely do I bookmark links like that
[23:23] <cyberanger> but it made the cut
[23:24] <vychune> WOW lol


[00:33] <foundmypaaants> Hey guys, I'm at a stump in my bash script - It's local, completely local, not distributing it, so it won't be a security threat or something - How do I, inside a bash script, do sudo and then put in my password inside the script so i dont need to
[00:33] <foundmypaaants> This would make my script executing a lot easier
[00:35] <Unit193> foundmypaaants: I wouldn't recommend this, but: -S, --stdin                 read password from standard input
[00:35] <foundmypaaants> uppercase?
[00:35] <foundmypaaants> sudo -s -S
[00:35] <foundmypaaants> correct?
[00:36] <ElderDryas> foundmypaaants: I'd ask in #bash, there are over 800 folks there, you're more likely to get an answer there
[00:38] <Psil0Cybin> Anyone know why the SSH key passphrase screen is via a GUI instead of terminal on Xbuntu 14.04?
[00:38] <Psil0Cybin> I do not want it to display the GUI, and keep me logged in..I want it to be like 12.04 where i constantly type in my SSH key passphrase
[00:38] <Unit193> Psil0Cybin: I'd presume because you're using seahorse or something like that?
[00:39] <Psil0Cybin> no
[00:39] <Psil0Cybin> default terminal
[00:39] <Psil0Cybin> with Xubuntu-desktop, on 14.04, and it popped up in a GUI to type in my SSH Keyphrase
[00:39] <Psil0Cybin> and i did, and now i dont need too anymore and it bugs me
[00:40] <Psil0Cybin> i want too type it in like i used too with 12.04 in the terminal every time
[00:41] <foundmypaaants> Hmm
[00:42] <foundmypaaants> Are you using extra arguments in your command to connect?
[00:44] <Unit193> Well, when that window pops up, open a terminal and type xprop | grep WM_CLASS  then click on the offending window.  I believe it to be seahorse, but as I use the other method myself I don't know.
[01:20] <aryan_> how can i run windows software in xubuntu
[01:51] <foundmypaaants> This will be a fun (painful and excruciating) night of installing the apache and other! Yay! :P
[02:46] <Psil0Cybin> hello i Edit /etc/UPower/UPower.conf and add IgnoreLid=true to the bottom.and now when i close my laptop lid it opens up Display Settings I tried (http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/13753/prevent-xfce-from-showing-display-settings-on-laptop-lid-close-open)
[03:05] <xubuntu821> good morning
[06:20] <ObrienDave> any way to get app menu items to auto sort by name?
[06:20] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, mine are alpha by default ...
[06:21] <ObrienDave> yes, but things i install go to the bottom of each category
[06:22] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, "main menu" and manually arrange
[06:22] <ObrienDave> was afraid you were going to get snarky ;P
[06:22] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, Accessories > Extra Snark
[06:22] <ObrienDave> rofl
[06:59] <ObrienDave> cant think of one clean enough for the channel ;P
[07:15] <hoijui> on xubuntu 14.04 i installed compiz, and used it with compiz --replace, which worked
[07:16] <hoijui> after restart, all my windows open on one desktop, without decorations (no borders, cant switch between windwos) and i can't use the keyboard
[07:16] <hoijui> compiz is not running
[07:17] <hoijui> what shoudl i do .. to fix the whole situation? ;-)
[07:17] <hoijui> (i woudl like to use compiz again)
[07:17] <brainwash> hoijui: you'll have to add an autostart entry for compiz then
[07:17] <baizon> hoijui: clear .cache/session
[07:17] <hoijui> ah yeah... how do i do that on the terminal (adding compiz to autostart)
[07:18] <ObrienDave> read baizon's suggestion
[07:19] <brainwash> clearing the cache will only restore the default window manager
[07:19] <baizon> brainwash: which will restore the decoration, then he can add compiz to autostart
[07:20] <brainwash> you can add a new autostart entry via settings manager > session and startup
[07:20] <brainwash> do you need window decorations to do that?
[07:21] <hoijui> yeah.. cant use the gui. cant open the settings manager there
[07:22] <brainwash> is the panel missing?
[07:22] <hoijui> yes
[07:22] <brainwash> I guess you should clear the cache first in this case
[07:23] <hoijui> ook
[07:27] <hoijui> worked well.. but compiz is not in the list of applications (under "Application Autostart")
[07:27] <hoijui> just add it myself?
[07:28] <hoijui> "compiz --replace" ?
[07:29] <brainwash> if you don't add it manually, then it won't start automatically after you log in :)
[07:29] <hoijui> just... that i saw in tutorials, that it should be there already after installing compiz, just not enabled
[07:31] <brainwash> no clue, sorry
[07:31] <hoijui> ok
[07:32] <hoijui> cool.. worked! :-)
[07:32] <brainwash> is there any particular reason why you want to replace the default window manager with compiz?
[07:32] <hoijui> thanks guys!! :-)
[07:33] <brainwash> just curious
[07:33] <hoijui> i use two things from compiz
[07:33] <hoijui> one is expo, and the other is scale
[07:33] <brainwash> ah, I see :)
[07:33] <hoijui> though, expo is much less usable then in hte past, cause it does not use scale
[09:37] <xubuntu610> ciao
[14:47] <GeekDude> holstein: I'm using vino now instead of trying to use x11vnc. It works pretty well, but it doesn't work on the login screen. This is okay (not preferred), but my desktop keeps locking itself, and I'm not sure where to find the setting for that
[14:50] <holstein> GeekDude: i have a server running at a different location.. i ssh into the machine and start x11vnc manually when needed. i dont leave it running in the background. its starts up on an already running desktop that doesnt lock, or sleep, since, its only for vnc and ssh anyways
[14:51] <holstein> GeekDude: you may want to just take a few steps back and talk about what you are doing in a larger sense.. i can say, the *only* reason i am using x11vnc like this is so my chromebook that is running chromeOS and other (arguably limited) vnc clients can connect to the linux desktop
[14:51] <holstein> otherwise, i used to just use teamview, which may take care of all of your issues automatically.. it also depends on the state and use of the server machine.. is it remote, headless.. do others use it.. etc
[14:51] <holstein> teamviewer*
[14:53] <GeekDude> I'm running a client program that only has a gui interface
[14:53] <holstein> nomachine may work best for you, since, its not really forwarding the x session.. and i would use it, if all my clients co-operated..
[14:53] <GeekDude> I want to interact with the client
[14:53] <holstein> GeekDude: you are forwarding x.. so the client will need to have a GUI interface
[14:53] <holstein> GeekDude: you touch the client.. thats interaction
[14:54] <holstein> GeekDude: if you havent considered nomachine, its quite easy, and would be running in the background before login..
[14:54] <holstein> GeekDude: its "free" of charge to try
[14:54] <GeekDude> I haven't heard of it before
[14:55] <GeekDude> I own splashtop pro, but the last time I checked it has terrible linux integration
[14:55] <holstein> GeekDude: splashtop worked great for me
[14:55] <holstein> GeekDude: i found it interchangable, if not "better" for my needs than teamviewer.. still, when i can, i use nomachine, so im not sending a forward of the session like that
[14:56] <holstein> GeekDude: nomachine feels more "native" and addresses the issue you are having of the login screen.. arguably more "secure", or appropriate, not knowing your needs
[14:58] <GeekDude> I already use vnc on all my windows machines, so I was hoping for a vnc server
[14:58] <holstein> GeekDude: there are plenty
[14:59] <holstein> GeekDude: there are also nomachine clients and servers. and you many find it more appropriate, though, i cant more clearly ask you for your needs
[15:00] <holstein> GeekDude: if you want vnc, vino is doing that.. if you want it to run from the login screen, http://jakeyoon.com/2008/11/19/enable-vino-vnc-server-for-login-manager-gdm-in-ubuntu/ or http://askubuntu.com/questions/83824/how-can-i-start-a-vnc-server-before-log-on is where i would start
[15:01] <holstein> the only reason im using vnc now instead of nomachine is for client integration.. there is no nomachine client for chromeOS.. also, many cellphones.. otherwise, from windows to linux, or desktop to desktop i prefer nomachine
[15:30] <GeekDude> holstein: I've toyed around a bit with x11vnc
[15:31] <GeekDude> it appears that something along the line doesn't like it when I don't have the -usepw flag
[15:34] <holstein> i have a password,and dont use that flag
[15:34] <holstein> GeekDude: thats why i implied that you were configuring it incorrectly, and to test with vino to be sure a connection was possible
[15:35] <holstein> GeekDude: nomachine is more "native" feeling.. there is literally no reason not to try it
[16:03] <Church> feature i like for x11vnc, is that it is able to attach/reexport existing X11 session. can nomachine do same, or like normal Xvnc only start full separate X11 session?
[16:03] <xubuntu924> Hello
[16:05] <xubuntu924> I came because i recently installed Xubuntu 14.04.1 on my laptop (had previously 13.10) and when i boot it, about 1 out of 2 times, the usb ports doesn't to function anymore (no more mouse ou usb key working). Can i do something about it ?
[16:20] <xubuntu924> I tried an lsusb with this result :
[16:20] <xubuntu924> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:8000 Intel Corp.  Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:8008 Intel Corp.  Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[16:20] <xubuntu924> Hope it helps
[16:22] <xubuntu924> I am launching an update, I'll come back if it doesn't work. Thank you for help.
[16:25] <holstein> Church: you can basically "re-attach"
[17:29] <xubuntu923> Hello, I'm back with my usb problem, the update didn't fix it.   Can s.o. help me? Xubuntu doesnt react to the scanner, but the printer in the same machine. Do i need an extra driver? hardly worked on xfce before...
[19:40] <xubuntu454> hi there?
[19:40] <GeekDude> hi
[19:40] <GeekDude> I... have no idea, but I like greeting people
[19:40] <xubuntu454> have an idea about the scanner...?
[19:40] <xubuntu454> ah sry. ;-) hello
[19:41] <xubuntu454> nice to be greeted anyway
[19:45] <Unit193> xubuntu454: What scanner?
[19:46] <xubuntu454> canon pixma mg 5250
[19:46] <xubuntu454> as said, printer works fine
[19:52] <Unit193> xubuntu454: http://askubuntu.com/questions/168089/how-do-i-install-my-new-canon-mg5250-printer-mg5200-series looks like it might be related.
[19:54] <xubuntu454> thanks, i take a look
[20:24] <bosnjak> I have a zombie menu entry in XFCE Main Menu under "Other". I can get rid of it, I can't find it in any .xml files or anywhere on the system.. Is there a way I can "reset" the menu to default state somehow? Maybe deleting some config directory under /home?
[20:27] <bosnjak> hm, just figured it out :/ the entries were actually defined in files under ~/.local/share/applications/
[20:48] <arno_> Hi, I have a question: I don't understand this package:arch thing
[20:48] <arno_> for example, it looks like I have libxft2:amd64 and libxft2:i386 package installed on my machine
[20:48] <arno_> are these two different packages, or just one package which has two "virtual" packages?
[20:50] <genii> arno_: They are two separate packages which could install their libraries to either /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu for 64bit or /lib/i386-linux-gnu for 32 bit.
[20:51] <arno_> genii: thanks
[20:51] <arno_> so, two questions now:
[20:52] <arno_> how is it possible that some files belong to two packages?
[20:52] <arno_> (for example, /usr/share/doc/libxft2/changelog.Debian.gz)
[20:52] <arno_> and the most important one: how do I rebuild and install a package
[20:52] <arno_> I rebuild a package with apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage
[20:53] <arno_> actually, I want to downgrade one package
[20:53] <arno_> so I rebuilt it, but I cannot install it, because the :i386 is at a different version
[20:54] <genii> Yes, you would need to build both to same version.
[20:54] <genii> As for files which are in different packages, this is not uncommon.
[20:55] <genii> ( same files in different packages)
[20:56] <genii> arno_: You can specify version and architecture in apt-get with syntax like:   apt-get source package:arch=specific-version
[20:58] <arno_> genii: ok, thanks
[20:58] <ali1234> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch
[21:04] <xubuntu276> Hello Everyone
[21:05] <xubuntu276> Can anyone tell me how to Install Broadcom Wifi Driver in Xubuntu??????????
[21:06] <xubuntu276> knock knock is there anyone???? awaking????
[21:07] <Psil0Cybin> how can i back up my home directory properly so i can reformat my computer, and copy over the files
[21:07] <Psil0Cybin> someone said i have to use ext4 for a hard drive, to copy it onto correct?
[21:08] <BarnabasDK> Psil0Cybin, /home/<user> ?
[21:08] <Psil0Cybin> yea
[21:08] <Psil0Cybin> i think that has all the stuff i want
[21:08] <Psil0Cybin> like settings for applications, etc
[21:08] <BarnabasDK> unless you purposely changed someting else
[21:09] <BarnabasDK> what version of ubuntu, can you use the backup functionality built into the OS?
[21:13] <Psil0Cybin> BarnabasDK, well it was a 12.04 , i moved to 14.04
[21:13] <Psil0Cybin> but it has plenty of errors i am scared of doing anything by the GUI panels
[21:13] <Psil0Cybin> because who knows if it will actually copy or create more errors...
[21:14] <Psil0Cybin> i may try 3 or 4 diff methods of backing up just to make sure i do not lose my information
[21:25] <bosnjak> I seem to have some Nepomuk components installed. Can I remove all of this, and how can I see what apps will stop functioning? Are there regular dependencies that will be shown?
[21:33] <xebra> hi, when I connect to a remote server with Thunar (ftp or sftp), I find I cannot change file permissions, or in the case of ftp the file owner is wrong (always "root"). Anyone know anything about this problem/bug/etc.? Thanks
[22:07] <nomic> whats with this UEFI stuff if i get a laptop
[22:08] <nomic> i do not want windows 8 period.    will it be amazingly difficult to get the crud off a BRAND NEW laptop ... high spec , say lenovo -- and put xubuntu onto it
[22:11] <Dragon64> Nomic, Its not real difficult, you will need to turn off the uefi in the bios and make sure boot partition is set correctly, not difficult once you know what you are doingf
[22:12] <nomic>  thought so .. bios facility
[22:12] <Dragon64> yeah, you'll have to swith the uefi to legacy mode
[22:12] <nomic> thanks
[22:12] <Dragon64> np
[22:13] <nomic> then i send off to the manufacturer saying IO do not use windows -- pls refund me tyvm
[22:13] <nomic> not paying the tax again
[22:13] <nomic> musta written off 10 pristine copies of the crud
[22:13] <nomic> microsoft must owe me £500
[22:13] <Dragon64> your best bet is to delete the partitions and make sure that the boot partition is not set to the fancy partition type
[22:13] <nomic> that will not happen again
[22:13] <Dragon64> make sure its msdos
[22:13] <nomic> recovery?
[22:13] <Dragon64> partition
[22:13] <nomic> i tend to just obliterate whats already there
[22:13] <Dragon64> the boot partition
[22:14] <Dragon64> good, when you recreate select msdos type partition
[22:14] <Dragon64> then format as usual
[22:14] <xubuntu025> Hey there, im having issues trying to install xubuntu 14.04
[22:14] <Dragon64> just did that to a new hp laptop
[22:14] <nomic> cool
[22:14] <nomic> i have no desire to see windows 8
[22:15] <Dragon64> whats happening Xubuntu25?
[22:15] <nomic> hes having issues trying to install xubuntu 14.04
[22:15] <Dragon64> thanks nomic
[22:15] <Dragon64> :P
[22:16] <Dragon64> haha I had windows 8 for a wek and gave a system to my wife, cause I was too lay to bother
[22:16] <nomic> i get more than 2x problems with a 6 year old laptop & I start thinking its like the space station, mir .. they started seeing screws floating  around and were wondering where they came from ... more and more things started breaking down
[22:16] <Dragon64> Ironically 3 months later she had so many virus I reformated and installed xubuntu. she loves it
[22:17] <Dragon64> hahaha
[22:17] <nomic> those viruse are 'apps'
[22:17] <xubuntu944> hey, whenever I try to install xubuntu it gives me the message that it could not mount after erase disk option is taken. any ide why
[22:17] <Dragon64> nice this now, our whole house is ubuntu basedso backups are a breeze
[22:18] <Dragon64> Xubuntu25: what type of a system you installing his on?
[22:19] <xubuntu944> i3 12gb ddr3 gtx 550ti sb recon. installing on a 500gb drive freshly wiped.
[22:20] <xubuntu944> tbh nothing seems to want to install
[22:20] <Dragon64> is this one of those uefi systems from a manufacturer or somthing you assembled yourself?
[22:20] <xubuntu944> Home build, uefi is off, set to IDE mode
[22:21] <Dragon64> ok, did you remove the partitions first or try and do it all through the installer?
[22:22] <xubuntu944> I wiped my windows install out and tried installing on unused space, but no dice regardless. Even tried making my own ext4 and swap to no avail
[22:23] <Dragon64> yeah it is critical on these systems to remove all the partitions and re-partition.
[22:23] <Dragon64> let me see if i can find some good instructions
[22:24] <Dragon64> uefi expects a gpt partition not msdos
[22:24] <Dragon64> gpt partition is probly giving you issues
[22:24] <xubuntu944> it just says its creating ext4 file system for / in partition #1
[22:24] <xubuntu944> FOREVER
[22:25] <xubuntu944> :-/
[22:25] <Dragon64> yeah get yourself gparted live cd and remove all partitions and recreate them. Make sure that the boot partition is msdos style, not gpt
[22:25] <Dragon64> the re-try the install
[22:26] <xubuntu944> sounds like a smart plan. ty
[22:26] <Dragon64> http://gparted.org/livecd.php
[22:48] <xubuntu944> what sizes should i make them?


[22:54] <mgunes> BUGabundo: you may want to use a more descriptive title, but using the Apport provided one is just fine.
[22:54] <mgunes>  jegomez: mgnunes: QUESTION: Any best-practice thoughts on "bumping" a bug report? or we just shouldn't do it?
[22:55] <jcastro> 5 minute warning!
[22:56] <mgunes> jegomez: you should refrain from adding "me too" comments (there's a button for that now), and in general, comments that don't add any new information to the report. But gently nudging people infrequently, preferably with new information regarding the issue, should be fine.
[22:56] <mgunes> unutbu: QUESTION: Sometimes a bug report is marked as "Incomplete". Where should the bug poster look to find what information needs to be supplied to make the bug report complete?
[22:56] <mgunes> unutbu: the triager or developer who set the bug status as "Incomplete" will almost always refer to the place to look.
[22:57] <mgunes> unutbu: if they haven't, do not hesitate to ask them to! it's part of their job.
[22:58] <mgunes> unutbu: but again, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/BestPractices and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures should help.
[22:59] <mgunes> We're almost out of time. I can probably answer a couple more questions if you have any.
[22:59] <mgunes> For the basics of using ubuntu-bug, see http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/03/31/please-dont-report-ubuntu-bugs-directly-to-launchpad/
[23:00] <jcastro> ok time!
[23:00] <jcastro> thanks murat!
[23:01] <jcastro> nhandler: you're next!
[23:01] <mgunes> Thanks everyone.
[23:01] <nhandler> Hello everyone. My name is Nathan Handler. Today we will be learning about how to stay up-to-date with what is going on in the Ubuntu community.
[23:02] <nhandler> This session will only briefly explain the various methods of staying up-to-date. If you have a question, please ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat. Be sure to preface it with 'QUESTION: '
[23:03] <nhandler> I have some content prepared that I will be discussing. However, I have left plenty of time to discuss additional topics. If there is something that you want to learn more about, please let me know in #ubuntu-classroom-chat.
[23:03] <nhandler> One of the key ways that different people in the community communicate with each other is through the mailing lists.
[23:04] <nhandler> Some of these mailing lists can be found at https://lists.ubuntu.com/. However, now that Launchpad supports mailing lists, some teams are choosing to use that instead.
[23:05] <nhandler> I would suggest that you start by subscribing to all of the -announce mailing lists on lists.ubuntu.com. These lists are usually low volume, but they provide very important announcements about their relevant topics.
[23:05] <nhandler> QUESTION is there any chance that we'll see new interface for mailing lists on LP?
[23:07] <nhandler> I haven't heard about any changes to the mailing lists that will be taking place in the next few weeks. However, Launchpad is under constant development. Changes get made all of the time. I also know that there are several issues that need to be sorted out. You can ask the people in #launchpad to get a better estimate about when these changes will be made
[23:08] <nhandler> QUESTION How can devel branch testers keep up with most upstream changes, and even ubuntu internal, to packages, and features, and even policy? and please don't send me read .changelogs... not as easy to read!
[23:09] <nhandler> Most of the tools that I am going to be discussing can be used to keep up with the changes that are being made. These changes are all public. Most developers also send out messages to various sources prior to making the changes. If you wait a little bit, I think by the end of the session, you will have an answer to this question
[23:09] <nhandler> Continuing with the session...
[23:09] <nhandler> If you subscribe to ubuntu-announce, you will be notified whenever a new version of Ubuntu is released.
[23:10] <nhandler> Besides the -announce mailing lists, I would also suggest that you subscribe to ubuntu-news.
[23:10] <nhandler> The Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter (https://wiki.ubuntu.comUbuntuWeeklyNewsletter) is sent out each week to this mailing list.
[23:11] <nhandler> These lists should help keep you up-to-date with the big events that happen in the community. However, they are not enough if you are an active contributor.
[23:11] <nhandler> As a contributor, you are most likely part of one or more teams. Most of these teams will have their own mailing lists that you will want to subscribe to.
[23:12] <nhandler> For example, I am a MOTU. So I subscribe to ubuntu-motu, ubuntu-devel, and motu-council (among many others).
[23:12] <nhandler> If you are unable to find your team's mailing list on lists.ubuntu.com, it might be on Launchpad. You can contact another member of that team to verify where the mailing list is located.
[23:13] <nhandler> If you are part of a LoCo, you will want to subscribe to your Loco's mailing list.
[23:13] <nhandler> I am located in Chicago, so I subscribe to ubuntu-us-chicago.
[23:13] <nhandler> QUESTION: why not also subscrubite to -devel-discuss
[23:14] <nhandler> -devel-discuss does contain good discussions and information about changes. However, it will cause you to receive a lot of mail. Since it is for active discussions, you really need to read a lot of the messages to get a good idea about what is going on
[23:15] <nhandler> I prefer some of the other lists, which are used to send out emails once a decision on -devel-discuss is reached
[23:15] <nhandler> Once you start subscribing to lots of lists, you will notice a significant increase in the amount of mail in your inbox. Most of these messages will not interest you.
[23:16] <nhandler> I would suggest reading up on how to create filters in your email client. They can help keep the unimportant messages out of your inbox, so you do not need to worry about them.
[23:16] <nhandler> http://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/gmail-filters-for-launchpad-bug-email talks about creating filters in gmail for bugmail from Launchpad.
[23:16] <nhandler> That about covers the mailing lists, any questions?
[23:17] <nhandler> The next area we will discuss is IRC. IRC allows teams to carry out live meetings and discussions without the delay that mailing lists cause.
[23:18] <nhandler> For instance, we have #ubuntu-meeting and #ubuntu-classroom, which are used for team meetings and educational classroom sessions respectively.
[23:19] <nhandler> Just like with mailing lists, most teams and LoCos have their own IRC channels.
[23:19] <nhandler> I would suggest that you read up about how to make your IRC client automatically join certain channels on start-up. That way, you won't need to remember which channels you need to join.
[23:20] <nhandler> Once you start joining lots of IRC channels, it will become impossible to read every message that is sent. You will want to configure your IRC client to display a notification whenever someone says your name.
[23:21] <nhandler> This will allow you to quickly respond to questions or comments that people might be directing at you.
[23:21] <nhandler> If you miss a meeting that takes place in #ubuntu-meeting, or a classroom session in #ubuntu-classroom, those channels, along with many others, are logged. These logs are publicly available at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[23:22] <nhandler> That concludes the section about IRC, any questions?
[23:24] <nhandler> QUESTION: how do I cope with #ubuntu?
[23:24] <LjL> ? :)
[23:24] <nhandler> There is an #ubuntu-meta channel that you can use. That channel displays questions that are asked in #ubuntu and other channels
[23:25] <nhandler> Now we will talk about blogs.
[23:25] <nhandler> A key blog to follow is the Fridge (http://fridge.ubuntu.com/). That is where all important notices concerning Ubuntu will be posted. It is also where a calendar of all Ubuntu meetings (http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar) is kept.
[23:26] <nhandler> One of the privileges gained from becoming an Ubuntu Member (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership) is that you get to have your blog listed on Planet Ubuntu (http://planet.ubuntu.com/)
[23:26] <nhandler> Most developers and team leaders are Ubuntu members. As a result, they use Planet Ubuntu as a way to send news and announcements to the community.
[23:27] <nhandler> For users who are not Ubuntu members yet, there is Ubuntu Weblogs (http://ubuntuweblogs.org/), which serves a similar purpose as Planet Ubuntu.
[23:28] <nhandler> It would not be practical to visit all of these blogs everyday to check for updates. There are many reader applications that you can use instead.
[23:29] <nhandler> These reader applications will give you access to all of your favorite blogs from one place. They will also tell you when a new article has been posted.
[23:29] <nhandler> Any questions about blogs?
[23:30] <nhandler> Since you seem to be interested in UWN, I think it might be worth mentioning that a Developer News wiki page was created: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News
[23:30] <nhandler> The idea was to send out a newsletter every few weeks explaining what changes have been made that affect developers
[23:30] <nhandler> QUESTION: How on-topic or off-topic are blogs on planet supposed to be?
[23:31] <elk80> QUESTION: and dealing with the 'noise' that so many blogs, feeds, etc. brings...
[23:31] <nhandler> In theory, they should be at least *loosely* related to Ubuntu. However, this has never really been enforced
[23:31] <nhandler> elk80: Please ask in -chat, but I personally skim my reader application. I only read the articles that catch my attention
[23:32] <elk80> k
[23:32] <nhandler> I will now be discussing the forums.
[23:32] <nhandler> The Ubuntu community has an excellent forum (http://ubuntuforums.org/). This forum is filled with thousands of users. As a result, it is an excellent place to look at if you are interested in seeing how well the latest development release is working for people, or what the best way to accomplish foo is.
[23:33] <nhandler> The Karmic forum (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=359) will be the place to check for the results from tests of Karmic Koala.
[23:34] <nhandler> You can also subscribe to threads/boards on the forum to be notified via email whenever someone replies.
[23:35] <nhandler> Friday, bodhi-zazen will end Open Week with a session about the forums. If you are interested in them, I strongly urge you to attend his session
[23:35] <nhandler> In the mean time, does anyone have any questions about the Ubuntu Forums?
[23:35] <nhandler> QUESTION: can i reply by email?
[23:35] <nhandler> No, you can not reply to a forum post via email
[23:35] <nhandler> However, you can do that with bugs on Launchpad
[23:36] <nhandler> QUESTION: With all the mails, and blogs and your normal work, how important are the forums really for you (personally). Do you grap ideas, problems whatever and use it? Is it a real "source of inspiration" for the developers?
[23:37] <nhandler> I personally try to stop by the forums at least every other week to answer posts about development for Ubuntu and/or the devel release. I would love to be able to spend more time there, but there are only so many hours in the day.
[23:37] <nhandler> In terms of using it as an inspiration, I really haven't done much application creation (which is what a lot of posts are about). So I don't really take much inspiration from there
[23:37] <nhandler> However, I do use it as a way to see what things need to be worked on
[23:38] <nhandler> The next topic for this session is the wiki.
[23:38] <nhandler> Many teams use the wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/) for organizational purposes. They might list meeting agendas, upcoming events, or keep track of current activities on the wiki.
[23:39] <nhandler> By going to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserPreferences?action=userprefs, you are able to view and modify your subscriptions.
[23:40] <nhandler> You can subscribe to an individual page, such as 'UbuntuOpenWeek', or a group of pages, such as 'ChicagoTeam/.*'. That will subscribe me to all wiki pages related to the Chicago Team.
[23:40] <nhandler> I personally am subscribed to most of the wiki. I subscribe to most meeting agendas, meeting logs, team pages, development pages, and many other pages.
[23:41] <nhandler> By subscribing to all of these pages, I get notified via email about new topics that will be discussed at meetings, who is interested in joining various teams, what freezes are currently in affect for development.
[23:41] <nhandler> Any questions about the wiki?
[23:43] <nhandler> The last thing I want to discuss today are Microblogs.
[23:43] <nhandler> Microblogs such as identi.ca and Twitter are beginning to gain popularity in the Ubuntu community.
[23:44] <nhandler> QUESTION: How do you subscribe to a group of pages like say Karmic/.* ?
[23:44] <nhandler> You need to subscribe based on the page names
[23:45] <nhandler> For instance, we keep all of our Ubuntu Development related stuff under UbuntuDevelopment
[23:45] <nhandler> We have UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages and UbuntuDevelopment/CodeReviews
[23:45] <nhandler> So I can add UbuntuDevelopment/.* to subscribe to all of these
[23:45] <nhandler> QUESTION: where can I get a list of interesting Blueprints to track for each devel cycle?
[23:46] <nhandler> I would suggest subscribing to the blueprints developed at/for UDS
[23:46] <nhandler> Those are the ones that are going to be (or attempted to be) implemented
[23:46] <BUGabundo> nhandler: and where is that list?
[23:47] <nhandler> BUGabundo: UDS hasn't taken place yet. And since LP is offline, I can't get you the URL for blueprints that will be discussed there
[23:47] <nhandler> I can get you a link later though
[23:47] <BUGabundo> thanks
[23:47] <nhandler> Back to discussing Microblogs... Many people use these microblogs as a quick way to post updates about their current activities.
[23:48] <nhandler> There are also groups on these sites that correspond with many of the teams in the Ubuntu communtiy. These groups are used to quickly send out notices to all interested people.
[23:48] <jcastro> (UDS blueprints are here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic)
[23:49] <nhandler> Thanks for the link jcastro. I didn't have it bookmarked ;)
[23:49] <nhandler> On the microblogging sites, there are groups that correspond with many of the teams in the Ubuntu communtiy. These groups are used to quickly send out notices to all interested people.
[23:50] <nhandler> Finally, there are also some special accounts. For instance, during UDS Jaunty, they had accounts for each of the different sections that were used to post updates about what was happening.
[23:51] <nhandler> One of those accounts, @udscommunity, is actually sending out messages every hour during Open Week, announcing what session is about to begin.
[23:51] <nhandler> QUESTION: Is there a place to find all those accounts during UDS? They are very hard to find when you are not there.
[23:52] <nhandler> During Jaunty, we had an identi.ca account for all of the tracks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunt/Report
[23:53] <nhandler> I can pull up a list of all of the accounts after the session is over
[23:53] <nhandler> Besides the UDS accounts, there are also accounts that post security notices (@usn), ideas from brainstorm (@brainstormnews), Ubuntu news (@ubuntunews), new posts on Planet Ubuntu (@planetubuntu), and much, much, more.
[23:53] <nhandler> QUESTION: the fridge hosts a calendar. is there any way to get events into evolution?
[23:54] <nhandler> At the bottom of http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar, there is an ical link that you can use in evolution
[23:54] <nhandler> Any questions about Microblogs?
[23:55] <nhandler> That about wraps up all that I wanted to talk about today. Are there any more questions?
[23:56] <nhandler> QUESTION: how much time / day do you spend "catching up"?
[23:57] <nhandler> I am not the most efficient person at "catching up". I enjoy reading the emails and blog posts. I never really kept track of the time, but I would estimate 1-2 hours a day
[23:58] <nhandler> pwnguin wanted me to remind everyone that Ubuntu Members can also get a free LWN subscription
[23:59] <nhandler> Ok, thanks everyone for your participation
[23:59]  * Bodsda claps


[10:38] <falktx> hi guys
[10:38] <falktx> good news
[10:38] <falktx> i was able to get the nvidia-256 driver to work on 2.6.33-realtime kernel
[10:54] <jussi> excellent
[10:58] <falktx> testing it right now... (not me, another user...)
[11:23] <falktx> anyone here has an nividia card?
[11:34] <jussi> me, at home
[11:38] <falktx> jussi: i have patched the ubuntu's nvidia driver package  to work with v2.6.33-realtime
[11:39] <falktx> jussi: i can give u a link to the deb(s)
[11:40] <falktx> 32bit - https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+build/1809710/+files/nvidia-current_256.35-0ubuntu1withrt+ppa1_i386.deb
[11:40] <falktx> 64bit - https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+build/1809709/+files/nvidia-current_256.35-0ubuntu1withrt+ppa1_amd64.deb
[11:41] <falktx> I am able to compile them in 2.6.33-rt, but I can't test it
[21:48] <scott-work> rakarrack 0.5.8 is now in Launchpad...yay!


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