[00:01] <DarkAceZ> how do I change the nofile limit? I already edited /etc/security/limits.conf and restarted, but ulimit -n still shows my old value (1024)
[00:01] <bekks> DarkAceZ: Then what exactly did you put into that file?
[00:02] <DarkAceZ> *               hard    nofile          65535
[00:02] <DarkAceZ> *               soft    nofile          65535
[00:02] <bekks> I dont think wildcards will work at that point.
[00:02] <teaearlgraycold> Should NVidia's drivers show up in the "Additional Drivers" section?
[00:02] <DarkAceZ> they're in examples
[00:02] <pawprint> how can i check which version of ubntu i'm running?
[00:02] <teaearlgraycold> Because they're not
[00:03] <EriC^^> pawprint: lsb_release =a
[00:03] <DarkAceZ> what should I put there? my user?
[00:03] <EriC^^> pawprint: sorry, lsb_release -a
[00:03] <bekks> DarkAceZ: Yes, your user
[00:03] <ActionParsnip> DarkAceZ: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162229/how-do-i-increase-the-open-files-limit-for-a-non-root-user
[00:03] <pawprint> EriC^^: thanks!
[00:05] <DarkAceZ> thank you, ActionParsnip
[00:07] <k1l_> teaearlgraycold: what video cards you got?
[00:07] <teaearlgraycold> GTX 970 coming form a 7970
[00:07] <ActionParsnip> DarkAceZ: np dude
[00:08] <teaearlgraycold> Okay nomodeset got me to the desktop but I installed nvidia-331 and I still get a black screen on boot
[00:09] <teaearlgraycold> I really just want to wipe my SSD at this point :P
[00:09] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: did you disable nomodeset at this point?
[00:09] <teaearlgraycold> Yes
[00:10] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: boot a live session, mount the disk and pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log from the install
[00:11] <teaearlgraycold> Thanks but I really am overdue for a system reset at this point. I'll get a live boot going though
[00:11] <teaearlgraycold> My windows partition's super screwed (has been since MS botched the 7 update)
[00:11] <daftykins> this isn't a place to speak of Windows woes
[00:12] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: so it wasn't a 14.04.1 clean install?
[00:12] <teaearlgraycold> No
[00:12] <acer> who speaks Polish?
[00:12] <k1l_> !pl | acer
[00:12] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: i'd be willing to bet the PPA drivers aren't new enough for your card
[00:12] <teaearlgraycold> Yeah maybe
[00:12] <daftykins> hang on let me see if i can confirm
[00:12] <teaearlgraycold> So I'd have to do 14.10 on my reinstall?
[00:13] <daftykins> no, i'd say avoid 14.10 actually
[00:13] <daftykins> stick with LTS - it keeps a smile on your face longer
[00:13] <acer> ubotu thank you
[00:13] <hypoon> Hi everyone, I've been asked to help fix an Ubuntu desktop computer, but I'm more of a Gentoo guy myself, so I'm completely stumped over what could be causing the current issue.
[00:14] <daftykins> hypoon: what's going on?
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> hypoon: what symptoms do you see?
[00:14] <ActionParsnip> hypoon: both are linux based so not a million miles of difference
[00:15] <hypoon> It appears that the system was interrupted during an upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04. Now the system boots when I choose the second newest kernel, but does not boot when I choose the newest kernel.
[00:15] <teaearlgraycold> So what should I do?
[00:15] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: yeah you need newer than the 331.
[00:15] <teaearlgraycold> Can I get a .deb or something for a newer version?
[00:15] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: up to you, nuke it and put a clean 14.04.1 on if you want, or work on this install.
[00:16] <hypoon> The system is running a RAID1 setup, and mdadm complains about creating a group disk repetitively when I choose the most recent kernel.
[00:16] <daftykins> teaearlgraycold: two choices, add the xorg-edgers PPA, or download and install manually from nvidia
[00:16] <teaearlgraycold> Nah, gotta nuke. It's over a year old
[00:16] <teaearlgraycold> Alright, thanks
[00:16] <daftykins> well you might as well get it working now to know it will beforehand
[00:16] <daftykins> hope you purged all the fglrx junk
[00:16] <teaearlgraycold> daftykins, didn't
[00:17] <daftykins> seriously...
[00:17] <teaearlgraycold> gg
[00:17] <teaearlgraycold> Momentum's too strong, my live USB drive's almost done
[00:17] <hypoon> The system boots successfully on 3.13.0-37, but fails on 3.13.0-43.
[00:17] <teaearlgraycold> Don't want to fiddle around with it for another hour - gonna do what I know will work
[00:18] <daftykins> except that until i shared, you didn't :)
[00:18] <daftykins> hypoon: so set 37 as default and be happy \o/
[00:19] <hypoon> daftykins: That's the backup plan, but I'd like to fix the underlying problem if I can.
[00:19] <dasjoe> hypoon: boot into -37 and check "dkms status" for missing modules in -43
[00:20] <hypoon> mdadm says "create group disk not found", repeatedly in an infinite loop (when I choose -43). Ok, dkms status, running it now...
[00:20] <hypoon> "nvidia-304, 304.125, 3.13.0-37-generic, x86_64: installed"
[00:21] <daftykins> totally irrelevant, i would say
[00:21] <hypoon> but, of course, that's for -37. I don't know anything about DKMS, I don't use it in Gentoo.
[00:21] <daftykins> well it's the debian kernel module system
[00:21] <daftykins> it handles module management on kernel upgrade
[00:22] <pbx> EriC^^, thanks for the tip. i've asked the question many times and never gotten that lead
[00:22] <daftykins> but i think lsmod comparisons would be more relevant here, except of course you can't boot with -43 can you?
[00:22] <hypoon> nope, can't get in with -43.
[00:22] <EriC^^> pbx: no problem
[00:24] <hypoon> I did my best to finish the distribution upgrade myself, by using apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get install -f. I must have borked something somewhere.
[00:24] <hypoon> I tried rebuilding the initramfs, using update-initramfs -c -k all, but that didn't seem to do anything
[00:25] <hypoon> I tried update-grub, that didn't seem to help anything either.
[00:25] <hypoon> (all the commands seemed to function correctly, they just didn't help solve the problem)
[00:25] <daftykins> hypoon: this any good? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1335642
[00:26] <alex_nub1> Im giving up.
[00:26] <EriC^^> pbx: use if ( upower --monitor-detail | grep -qs discharging ); then bash /script/to/brightness; fi
[00:26] <hypoon> daftykins: does not appear to be the same problem
[00:27] <notmorpheus> Does anyone know how to make a bundle file from a crt file?
[00:27] <hypoon> I get "mdadm: CREATE group disk not found" in a loop, without any other lines.
[00:27] <EriC^^> pbx: add an else for when it's charging, you might need to add a sleep before the if incase it runs too quickly before upower
[00:28] <hypoon> I just got an update prompt asking me to get updated software for the computer, including kernel upgrades, headers, extra modules, etc... Why wouldn't apt-get have already gotten these?
[00:29] <Mendax> hey
[00:29] <daftykins> hypoon: meh, it was in the results :>
[00:29] <Mendax> having a problem installing kali
[00:29] <daftykins> Mendax: it is not supported in here
[00:29] <Mendax> gives me a beep and a blinking cursor when trying to installl it
[00:29] <daftykins> join #kali-linux
[00:29] <OerHeks> kali has its own issues
[00:30] <k1l_> Mendax: no kali suppor there. thanks
[00:32] <k__> hi?
[00:32] <hypoon> Complete Generic Linux kernel and headers, Generic Linux kernel headers, Generic Linux kernel image, Header files related to Linux kernel version 3.13.0, Linux kernel extra modules for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP, Linux kernel headers for version 3.13.0 on 64 bit x86 SMP
[00:32] <hypoon> I guess I'll try installing those?
[00:32] <bashfr3ak> so i gave the acl option to an ext4 fs in fstab but i see no acl in mount output?
[00:32] <daftykins> hypoon: why?
[00:32] <alex_nub1> hypoon apt-get dist-upgrade?
[00:32] <hypoon> daftykins: because they're there?
[00:33] <hypoon> alex_nub1: I don't think I tried that
[00:33] <daftykins> lol, making it up as you go along eh
[00:33] <wlxmhls> xubuntu lubuntu , which is faster / friendly
[00:33] <daftykins> well i would surely hope said install was updated before coming in here with a problem
[00:33] <daftykins> hypoon: that's sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade # btw
[00:33] <hypoon> daftykins: I thought I got all the updates apt-get had available, and then it presents me with more all of a sudden in the GUI.
[00:33] <k1l_> wlxmhls: focus of lubuntu is lightweight and older /small systems
[00:34] <hypoon> daftykins: I guess dist-upgrade does more than just upgrade?
[00:34] <daftykins> hypoon: nope
[00:35] <k1l_> hypoon: it installs packages that are needed for updateing other packages. but its not a 14.04 to 14.10 upgrade
[00:35] <Bashing-om> wlxmhls: AND :: Lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and energy saving variant of Ubuntu using LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. It is targeted at "normal" PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware.
[00:35] <wlxmhls> k1l_: thanks. is it more friendly than xubuntu?
[00:35] <hypoon> k1l_: That's exactly what I was trying to avoid, I don't want to upgrade to 14.10
[00:35] <k1l_> wlxmhls: what is more friendly? its not like xubuntu is shouting at you
[00:36] <k1l_> hypoon: it does not upgrade to 14.10
[00:36] <pbx> energy saving?
[00:36] <hypoon> apt-get upgrade does nothing. apt-get dist-upgrade suggests some updates...
[00:37] <wlxmhls> k1l_: i am using xubuntu now, so I am not sure if I can get used to lubuntu
[00:37] <k1l_> wlxmhls: do you need to change then?
[00:37] <alex_nub1> wlxmhls try it in a vm. Both are good
[00:37] <hypoon> So what's the difference between dist-upgrade and upgrade? *goes googling*
[00:37] <HZun> in the ubuntu mini.iso expert installer, you have the option to "Detect virtual driver disks from hardware manufacturer", what exactly does this do?
[00:38] <k1l_> !dist-upgrade | hypoon
[00:38] <Bashing-om> hypoon: "dist-upgrade" installs new packages. whereas "update' does not .
[00:39] <hypoon> Bashing-om: update appeared to be refreshing apt-get's cache, but it certainly didn't install anything at all.
[00:40] <k1l_> hypoon: apt-get update just gets a new package list from server
[00:40] <hypoon> k1l_: right, that was my understanding.
[00:40] <wlxmhls> k1l_: my laptop is a very old, and I want it more effective. I will try lubuntu. thanks!
[00:41] <hypoon> k1l_: so apt-get update refreshes the local package db, apt-get dist-upgrade does a system update, and apt-get upgrade does... what?
[00:41] <k1l_> hypoon: 1sst: yes, 2nd yes, 3rd: it updates packages that are installed and dont need to install new packages
[00:41] <daftykins> hypoon: already explained above.
[00:42] <alex_nub1> Dist upgrade may add new packages while upgrade only updates old ones
[00:42] <k1l_> hypoon: example: the kernel image is a meta package which just links to the real package. you need "dist-upgrade" to install the new real kernel package when the meta package gets updated
[00:43] <alex_nub1> Im reinstalling tomorrow btw. Fucked my system.
[00:43] <hypoon> I think I get it now. I don't entirely understand why it's useful, but I'm OK with that. Ubuntu's not my cup of tea I guess....
[00:43] <hypoon> Alright all, thanks for the help! If it doesn't work, I'll be back in 5.
[00:44] <k1l_> hypoon: that is a bit confusing since its grown over the years. really really way back it was used for release-upgrades like 14.04-14.10 upgrades, so now its use is other than the names might sound
[00:44] <alex_nub1> hypoon its debian. Its the "stable" way of upgrading
[00:44] <daftykins> it's totally gonna make no difference. but ah well
[00:44] <EriC^^> alex_nub1: what's the problem?
[00:44] <hypoon> k1l_: Oooh, THAT is something I can see happening.
[00:44] <alex_nub1> EriC^^ ecryptfs
[00:45] <EriC^^> pbx: if you end up using it let me know, you might need to modify the grep cause it might hang waiting for upower when it's charging, so grep for something it'll find for sure then take the status ( or awk it )
[00:45] <hypoon> Thanks again, I've got my fingers crossed whether this is expected to work or not.
[00:48] <hid> hello
[00:48] <hid> i'd like to know how to uninstall the previous dependencies i installed? :/
[00:49] <EriC^^> hid: sudo apt-get autoremove
[00:49] <EriC^^> hid: /var/log/apt/history.log has a list of recently installed packages
[00:50] <hid> EriC^^: what is after 'autoremove' ?
[00:50] <EriC^^> nothing
[00:50] <hid> because i tried but it says there's nothing to remove :/
[00:50] <EriC^^> hid: what are you doing exactly?
[00:51] <EriC^^> what are you trying to uninstall?
[00:51] <hid> i installed some qt dependencies but in fact i didn't need them
[00:51] <hid> around 50Mb
[00:52] <EriC^^> check the apt log and remove them
[00:52] <alex_nub1> OT: i wonder who would care about 50mb
[00:52] <alex_nub1> 240gb ssd is 80€
[00:52] <hid> EriC^^: apt-get remove blabla?
[00:52] <EriC^^> hid: check what will be uninstalled if you remove them though
[00:52] <EriC^^> hid: yeah, or purge blabla
[00:53] <hid> ok thank you
[01:03] <GeekDude> is there a list of all the applications that come installed on ubuntu 14.04 desktop by default?
[01:03] <daftykins> why?
[01:03] <GeekDude> I'm just wondering
[01:05] <Stanley00> GeekDude: how about boot up a ubuntu 14.04 live cd and run "dpkg --get-selections" to get that list?
[01:05] <GeekDude> That's not a bad idea
[01:06] <OerHeks> some info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[01:06] <EriC^^> GeekDude: yeah there is
[01:06] <EriC^^> GeekDude: less /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz
[01:07] <EriC^^> Stanley00: live cd isn't the same as it has other packages like gparted ( btw you can find that as a .manifest in the releases page )
[01:08] <Stanley00> EriC^^: I just gonna to say that too...
[01:09] <sasha_> Greetings. Does anyone know command line syntax to open .csv (comma separated values) files using LibreOffice?
[01:10] <Stanley00> sasha_: why not "libreoffice file.csv" ?
[01:11] <ablest> hi
[01:11] <ablest> i need some help
[01:11] <Stanley00> ablest: hi, just ask your questions here :3
[01:11] <ablest> im getting cl_flushentitypacket in cs 1.6 im on ubuntu steam os
[01:12] <ablest> virus?
[01:12] <EriC^^> i think it's a opencl error?
[01:12] <ablest> what do i do?
[01:13] <sasha_> Stanley00: I need a way to specify the delimiter options, along with opening the file, otherwise it will need me to manually intervene and set the delimiter options on the popup window.
[01:16] <Stanley00> sasha_: why? You will end up "intervene" with the file at last. Using mouse and select options is faster than type all the options in commandline (if there's any)
[01:18] <sasha_> Stanley00: The final goal is to never load the GUI. The command will open the .csv file and run a macro and then close. This operation will be run every hour via cron job. It's updating products for a website.
[01:18] <GeekDude> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntu-desktop this looks like a sufficient list
[01:18] <GeekDude> at least, for my purposes
[01:19] <Stanley00> sasha_: well, then I think you should better convert that macro to python or some other things :3
[01:19] <Stanley00> sasha_: python, or awk if that csv is *simple* enough ;)
[01:20] <sasha_> Stanley00: That's above my knowledge, but I may look into it. Is there any way to prevent libreoffice from showing the options window when loading a .csv sheet?
[01:21] <ahrenstein> Hey everyone. Is there a way to allow puppet agent to read a file but not a root user?
[01:21] <sasha_> Stanley00: If there was a way to set permanent default delimiters in calc, that would work as well.
[01:22] <Stanley00> sasha_: I searched for some options like that in google but not hope. Python has csv module, so I think it's not hard to convert to python.
[01:24] <sasha_> Stanley00: This link shows libreoffice man page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/en/man1/ooimpress.1.html and this one shows some filter options, but I wasn't able to figure out how to implement them: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/Spreadsheets/Filter_Options
[01:25] <daftykins> sasha_: i bet libre has a channel
[01:26] <sasha_> daftykins: I checked, but didn't see much action happening there... :(
[01:26] <daftykins> sasha_: you have to be patient when it comes to free help :)
[01:27] <sasha_> Stanley00: Basically, what I need to do is open a .csv file while using the --headless option (no gui)
[01:27] <sasha_> daftykins: Yes, I understand :)
[01:29] <daftykins> sasha_: hey, you know it sounds more like you could do whatever with your csv files from BASH instead of even having to invoke a libre program, depending on what you need to do. are you replacing a field?
[01:31] <Stanley00> sasha_: sorry, but I don't use libreoffice much, so I don't think I can help you more with that. But I still recommend you to convert that macro to python, perl or using awk/bash to process your csv files. Or better, why not use database instead of csv for storing data?
[01:32] <sasha_> daftykins: Yes, that's a posibility. I was really hoping to have the flexibility of running a libreoffice macro.
[01:32] <daftykins> well you can't get much more flexible than modifying a text file
[01:32] <sasha_> Stanley00: Thanks for the pointers stanley. I'll look into it
[01:32] <daftykins> why complicate matters
[01:33] <sasha_> Very true, thanks daftykins
[01:42] <Pinkamena_D> I have a button on my laptop which is indeed supposed to be for rotating the display, but I would like to assign it to something else.
[01:43] <Pinkamena_D> I can assign it in the keyboard shortcuts but this assign it to do both the action I assign and also rotate the screen, which I do not want.
[01:43] <Pinkamena_D> Is there a file somewhere which defines this rotation, because I can not seem to find it in the standard keyboard shortcuts gui
[02:03] <CrazyM4n> I want to mess around with something like this http://countercomplex.blogspot.com/2011/10/algorithmic-symphonies-from-one-line-of.html
[02:03] <CrazyM4n> But my /dev/audio or /dev/dsp doesn't do anything
[02:04] <CrazyM4n> How could I get them to work?
[02:04] <HZun> do you guys use the http or https mirrors when installing ubuntu?
[02:05] <lasdam1> how do I troubleshoot (u)swsusp resuming not working? both uswsusp and swsusp allows for the hibernation and shutdown process, but nothing is resumed
[02:06] <teward> HZun: I use standard HTTP mirrors, however, I have the actual domain-to-IP definitions in my /etc/hosts file...
[02:06] <HZun> teward, how come you dont use the https mirrors?
[02:07] <daftykins> we're not all paranoid computer users here, HZun
[02:07] <teward> HZun: never got around to changing them to HTTPS.  But since I KNOW the IPs of the Ubuntu archive mirror I use, and it's explicitly defined, I'm less concerned about the source because it's really hard to fail the lookup when it's defined explicitly in my /etc/hosts
[02:07] <HZun> teward, ok.
[02:08] <daftykins> well someone could still MITM you, but yeah unlikely
[02:09] <HZun> daftykins, yeah. its just the ubuntu installer lets you choose between http, https, and ftp. and i was just thinking, are there any disadvantages about using the https option?
[02:09] <daftykins> i don't remember ever seeing that option
[02:09] <teward> daftykins: indeed - but it makes it harder to MITM via DNS poisoning :)
[02:09] <MrChris> 2 second delay SSL key exchange
[02:09] <teward> (at least, in my setup_
[02:10] <MrChris> Your ISP is already running a MITM attack :P
[02:10] <Stanley00> but I thought all packages must be verified before unpacked and install ?
[02:10] <HZun> im using the 14.04.1 mini.ios
[02:10] <HZun> mini.iso*
[02:12] <rtd2> I am trying to enable php pdo_odbc for php 5.6.0 on my Ubuntu server. I normally use apt for package management, but this seems to only be doable via manually compiling the source for php. I downloaded the source and tried to run configure, and make, but I keep getting missing package errors, yet they are in fact installed
[02:14] <daftykins> rtd2: nobody here is going to be able to do much without a pastebin'd log of what happened
[02:14] <lasdam1> why isn't ubuntu resuming from last session after hibernation?
[02:16] <t43tg3hh4> i heard there were bugs when trying to hibernate which sucks
[02:17] <lasdam1> :|
[02:20] <justlooked> Всем привет
[02:20] <daftykins> !ru
[02:21] <daftykins> !root | root
[02:21] <daftykins> ugh wrong thing
[02:21] <daftykins> oh it was a quit
[02:21]  * daftykins facepalms
[02:30] <ablest> hi
[02:31] <daftykins> hi
[02:34] <Demon_Jester> anyone able to help me? It says that my flash player (youtube porn etc..) says I need ot update and when I do it says that flash player is up to date, but it shows that silverlight is out of date, and when i try to update silverlight it sends me to documentation and not download link, and just curious how owuld i update silverlight?
[02:34] <Demon_Jester> would*
[02:35] <daftykins> silverlight doesn't exist for Linux
[02:35] <Demon_Jester> mozilla plugin
[02:35] <MrChris> You can't update/install silverlight on a Linux os
[02:35] <MrChris> There's an alternative called moonlight I think...
[02:36] <daftykins> or pipelight too
[02:36] <MrChris> That one ^
[02:37] <zykotick9> Demon_Jester: fyi, adobe dropped support for flash on gnu/linux...  no new versions, ever.
[02:37] <Demon_Jester> that is what I thought since silverlight is microsoft thing, but idk why it redirects me to silverlight
[02:37] <daftykins> i think you're clicking the wrong thing
[02:37] <Demon_Jester> zykotick9 so i have to deal with "allow adobe flash" everytime I go to youtube or a porn site?
[02:37] <MrChris> Because its checking if your browser supports it and if not sending a redirect
[02:37] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: or install a pepperflash wrapper, or move to chrome. your choice
[02:38] <MrChris> That's a setting.
[02:38] <Demon_Jester> pepper flash.. hmm
[02:38] <MrChris> A Firefox setting
[02:39] <MrChris> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-ubuntu-mint-linux-upgrade-flash-player.html
[02:39] <rtd2> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/KvZF7x4Y
[02:40] <MrChris> That's an old link
[02:40] <rtd2> sorry it took so long, I am new to this
[02:40] <Demon_Jester> MrChrist thanks for the link but I did, and I would download tar.gz and try to install it myself, but it wont do it I even tried.. I think its APT (ubunto 10.04+)
[02:41] <MrChris> Once you download the tar.gz you just need to move the files to the right location... I believe
[02:41] <MrChris> The .so file etc
[02:41] <daftykins> rtd2: no idea where you'd get said headers if it isn't already a package
[02:41] <Demon_Jester> MrChrist oh really? hmm I will try that.
[02:42] <rtd2> daftykins: yah, I have the unixODBC package installed, according to apt-get, but it's not in the directory that you see in that paste
[02:42] <daftykins> MrChris: that's not going to help and that's also terrible advice
[02:42] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: don't bother
[02:42] <rtd2> daftykins: I am not sure how to find out which directory it's in
[02:42] <daftykins> that's not how you install flash on ubuntu :P
[02:42] <MrChris> Thanks daftykins
[02:43] <grisisiknis> testing
[02:43] <cioft> What's going on
[02:43] <cioft> Been a while
[02:43] <daftykins> rtd2: *shrug* seems to be after a header package of some kind
[02:43] <cioft> #
[02:43] <Demon_Jester> daftykins what would be the "correct" way?
[02:43] <daftykins> cioft: support questions only in here, #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[02:43] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: there isn't one, flash isn't getting updated
[02:43] <MrChris> Using the flash installer I'm assuming.
[02:43] <cioft> ok, how do I change rooms?
[02:43] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: i already said what can be done
[02:43] <Demon_Jester> daftykins pepperflash wrapper?
[02:44] <daftykins> cioft: "/join #ubuntu-offtopic"
[02:44] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: if you want to keep firefox, yes
[02:44] <MrChris> Here's another useless link http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/flashmanual
[02:44] <Demon_Jester> daftykins ok I will do that then.
[02:44] <rtd2> daftykins: I'm assuming that it expects the unixODBC header package to be in /usr/local/include, yet it's not there
[02:44] <MrChris> locate odbc.h
[02:45] <rtd2> nothing
[02:45] <daftykins> rtd2: *shrug* try some php people maybe. you went outside of support when you started compiling really :)
[02:45] <rtd2> got yah
[02:45] <rtd2> thanks for giving it a shot, greatly appreciate it!
[02:46] <daftykins> np
[02:46] <Demon_Jester> ok so i have another problem, i try to execute a package via CLI, it says it cannot be execute because it doesnt exist, but it does, and I found another directory where it is located, and tried to symbolic link BUT it says it already exists.. it works if I print the whole directory /usr/sbin/packagename but i dont what to do that everytime
[02:46] <daftykins> "package" ?
[02:46] <Demon_Jester> airodump-ng
[02:46] <daftykins> sorry, not helping you with that.
[02:47] <rypervenche> Demon_Jester: It needs to be run as root, and /usr/sbin is not in your default PATH variable.
[02:47] <MrChris> What's your problem daftykins...
[02:47] <Demon_Jester> daftykins sorry you feel that way, but its not what you think i have a computer shover in a corner I use to "test"
[02:47] <MrChris> At least you said sorry... I guess
[02:47] <Demon_Jester> shoved*
[02:48] <rypervenche> Demon_Jester: Good luck convincing anyone ~_^
[02:48] <daftykins> MrChris: take your attitude elsewhere thanks
[02:48] <MrChris> There's nothing wrong with airodump, he just doesn't want to help
[02:48] <MrChris> My attitude?
[02:48] <daftykins> Demon_Jester: i don't care what you are up to, i'm simply stating i won't help with that :)
[02:48] <daftykins> you're always welcome to ask for a refund of course :)
[02:48] <MrChris> haha
[02:49] <MrChris> Demon_Jester, just search, "how to install airocrack-ng on Ubuntu"
[02:49] <MrChris> You'll get a 1000 hits.
[02:50] <daftykins> answer was already provided, potentially
[02:50] <Demon_Jester> mrchris thanks but this problem wasn't happening earlier, it may have been when my laptop shut off cause the battery died and caused a glitch.
[02:50] <Demon_Jester> /usr/sbin needs to be a path variable I think someone mentioned earlier.
[02:50] <MrChris> daftykins, run as root and make sure your $PATH is correct is not the answer
[02:51] <daftykins> how do you know?
[02:51] <Demon_Jester> but hell I am not going mess with it, I am burning arch linux on a usb drive atm anyways.
[02:51] <MrChris> I'm making an assumption
[02:51] <MrChris> Probably an incorrect one
[02:51] <MrChris> :)
[02:51] <MrChris> My suggestion is to reinstall the "package"
[02:52] <MrChris> Anyway have a lovely day daftykins
[02:52] <kevdog_> arch is good.  Once using it for a while, it makes using ubuntu and configuation a whole lot easier
[02:52] <daftykins> MrChris: cool, you too - try not to mislead too many peeps :)
[02:52] <rypervenche> MrChris: Please do not provide help if you don't know the answer. aircrack-ng must be run as root to work. His normal user also did not have /usr/sbin in his PATH, but regardless, it should be run as root.
[02:52] <MrChris> Ouch!
[02:53] <daftykins> and that flash 'advice', damn
[02:53] <Demon_Jester> guys calm down I will go to aircrack channel next time, but that is not the case I want to get into more "advance" linux and figured archlinux would be the next step on my netbook.
[02:53] <MrChris> I never suggested not running it as root...
[02:54] <MrChris> Good luck Demon_Jester
[02:55] <Demon_Jester> yeah some guy said on 4chan (inb4 I get crapped on for that) he was just scrolling through arch wiki while doing the installation.
[02:55] <Demon_Jester> I dont think it would be that easy but I hear wiki is very resourceful.
[02:56] <daftykins> everyone's calm, we just call out bad advice is all
[02:57] <daftykins> heh, in fairness i think it'll be a challenge for you but it could be a good learning process. just don't come in here with arch problems ;)
[02:57] <Demon_Jester> bad advice I get it.
[03:00] <tnkhanh> Hi I want to see the battery level on kubuntu
[03:00] <tnkhanh> of my laptop
[03:01] <Demon_Jester> kubuntu should have a batter level in the upper right
[03:01] <Demon_Jester> battery8
[03:03] <tnkhanh> omg I got it
[03:03] <tnkhanh> I didn't know there is a "hidden icon" button
[03:04] <frustro> hi all, trying to install 14.04 on a laptop.  the screen is busted and disconnected, have an external vga monitor.  it's native is 1360x768. when I select to install, the desktop is too big.  I can alt-tab and see the installer but it's not onscreen.  need to boot it into 600x800 to initial install. boot option maybe?
[03:05] <reisio> frustro: see what 'xrandr' says
[03:06] <frustro> reisio:  ok, brb, it's this machine.
[03:08] <tnkhanh> frustro: Is that virtualbox?
[03:08] <teward> tnkhanh: little late :)
[03:08] <daftykins> XD
[03:08] <daftykins> tnkhanh: virtualbox has REALLY improved since i last ran it, if you can simulate broken screens now too
[03:10] <tnkhanh> daftykins: haha true!
[03:10] <daftykins> :)
[03:21] <epyx> I have this weird problem that the volume control stops working (Mate)
[03:21] <epyx> it works adjusting volume with the keys on my keyboard, but not with the one in the Mate panel
[03:22] <epyx> stops working sometimes, sometimes it works.. but when it stopped working it doesn't start again
[04:00] <walia6> hi
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> morning
[04:00] <walia6> can someone help me with my error while installing ubuntu to my flash drive
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> walia6: from windows?
[04:01] <walia6> yes
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> walia6: wich program are you trying?
[04:01] <walia6> ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop.iso
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> walia6: i mean to create your usb stick, windows program?
[04:02] <walia6> ?
[04:02] <daftykins> www.pendrivelinux.com -> Universal USB Installer (recommended)
[04:02] <walia6> oh
[04:02] <daftykins> use this to make up your flash drive
[04:02] <walia6> i didnt use any usb installer
[04:02] <walia6> i just pluggin in a fresh sandisk flash drive
[04:02] <walia6> and during install, i selected the flash drive
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> walia6: see the link from daftykins to create your stick
[04:03] <daftykins> oh dear, you ran WUBI didn't you?
[04:03] <walia6> whats WYBI
[04:03] <daftykins> the windows ubuntu installer
[04:03] <walia6> sure
[04:04] <daftykins> installater inside windows? yeah that guy, it's terrible
[04:04] <daftykins> as in really really bad
[04:04] <cfhowlett> walia6, nope.  not gonna work.  and never EVER wubi again ...
[04:05] <daftykins> walia6: are you wanting to make the flash drive into an installer that you can install on your computer, or are you trying to run it from the flash drive permanently?
[04:05] <Senix> YWH_1, you need something?
[04:05] <walia6> latter
[04:05] <daftykins> i wouldn't recommend that
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> Senix: i also get a CTCP version on join
[04:06] <walia6> im running the program now
[04:06] <Senix> Thats suspicious.
[04:06] <cfhowlett> Senix, I did as well
[04:06] <daftykins> time to kick that guy
[04:06] <walia6> what should i put for persistant file size
[04:06] <walia6> (ths usb is about 7 gbs)
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> Senix: let me report this
[04:06] <Senix> go ahead
[04:06] <cfhowlett> walia6, split it.
[04:07] <Senix> lotuspsychje, go ahead.
[04:07] <walia6> 3.5 gbs?
[04:07] <cfhowlett> walia6, I'm currently at the library.  since I don't read/write Chinese, I boot my Ubuntu stick on the library lenovo.
[04:07] <Gator> I bet YWH_1 is a bot, I got a CTCP version from it too.
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> Gator: it has just been reported by daftykins thanks
[04:08] <Senix> Gator, more then likely gathering client info for use in exploiting known vulnerabilities.
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> someone knows if ubuntu needs that turla fix?
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> the linux trojan they recently found?
[04:10] <Dragin> how can I tell what program is using which IRQ please?
[04:10] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: hrmm not heard of that one, you got a link?
[04:10] <evanc> hey guys, I have a crazy problem that seemingly appeared overnight. My keyboard has all kinds of crazy mappings now
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: sure holdon
[04:10] <evanc> like right-alt = z, though my 'z' key still works
[04:10] <cfhowlett> evanc, verify your country keyboard settings.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/12/government-spying-turla-linux-trojan-found
[04:11] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: thanks :)
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> Dragin: maybe this can help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingIRQProblems
[04:12] <Dragin> thanks
[04:12] <evanc> cfhowlett: will do. In the meantime, here's an `evtest` where I ran it, pressed right-alt, then <ctrl-c>: http://pastebin.com/0q6zs7pu
[04:13] <cfhowlett> evanc, meh.  damn great firewall says I can't look at that today.  sorry.
[04:13] <evanc> cfhowlett: :(
[04:13] <evanc> is there a pastebin site that's unblocked?
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: hopefully only a danger when downloading from malicious ppa or something
[04:13] <cfhowlett> evanc, fpaste.org
[04:14] <evanc> cfhowlett: http://fpaste.org/160447/78963414/
[04:14] <evanc> cfhowlett: btw, language is correct, keyboard model is correct. Note that none of this was changed before it cropped up
[04:15] <evanc> in a terminal, pressing 'p' gives me '~p' (evtest shows both keys)
[04:15] <cfhowlett> evanc, curious.  bluetooth or USB?
[04:15] <evanc> cfhowlett: usb, though I did get a new bt mouse fairly recently
[04:15] <evanc> on my 14.04 laptop (same OS version), I do not get this behavior
[04:16] <cfhowlett> evanc, ... I wonder if the 2 KB could be conflicting somehow ...
[04:16] <evanc> 2 kb?
[04:16] <cfhowlett> evanc, two keyboards ...
[04:16] <evanc> oh, on the laptop
[04:17] <rypervenche> lotuspsychje: Yeah, it's a C program. You would have to run something from outside your trusted repos to get it on your system.
[04:17] <phunyguy> teward: typo in the name in -ops  ;)  thanks for the heads up.
[04:18] <evanc> cfhowlett: here's pressing 'p', btw: http://fpaste.org/160449/14187898/
[04:18] <evanc> the first two lines are me entering '12' to select the input device
[04:19] <evanc> oh I guess it's just the <return> keyup. :)
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> rypervenche: lemme check rkhunter database
[04:36] <agent_white> evenin'
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> agent_white: hello mate
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> rypervenche: i dont see it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9546921/
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> rypervenche: linux highlights here: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/74695/linux-based-turla-trojan/74699#74699
[04:41] <Limaye> Hello!
[04:42] <photons> i need help installing Suse linux
[04:43] <daftykins> photons: very funny
[04:43] <ablest> hi
[04:43] <ablest> hi
[04:43] <photons> no i'm being serious
[04:43] <cfhowlett> photons, then go to Suse.  wrong channel
[04:43] <photons> WHY DOES EVERYBODY HAVE TO ALWAYS BE SUCH A HUGE FAGGOT?
[04:43]  * photons runs away crying
[04:43] <cfhowlett> !ops | photons,
[04:44] <photons> cfhowlett, you got beat up in school a lot didn't you?
[04:44]  * cfhowlett adds another useful idiot to /ignore
[04:45] <Flannel> photons: Please help keep this channel friendly, and on topic (which is Ubuntu-related technical support), thanks.
[04:54] <Sachiru> photons, what you essentially did was go to a Ford dealership and demand service for your Hyundai vehicle.
[04:54] <Sachiru> Guess what's wrong with that.
[04:54] <photons> um, your a faget?
[04:54] <photons> :3
[04:55] <Sachiru> Right, can we ask for a ban on that moron?
[04:56] <cfhowlett> !ops | photons immediate and multiple ban requests
[04:56] <cfhowlett> message sent.  meanwhile, let's not feed it.  feel free to add to /ignore list.  hexchat makes it easy.
[04:57] <rww> yes, let's not feed the person who's not in the channel
[04:57] <Sachiru> How I wish other channels had !ops as well
[05:01] <ablest> is java good for linux?
[05:01] <cfhowlett> !java | ablest
[05:02] <cfhowlett> ablest, "good for linux" ?  don't even know what that means ...
[05:02] <ablest> nvm lol
[05:03] <ablest> should i learn it being a linux now?
[05:03] <ablest> user*
[05:03] <cfhowlett> ablest, you don't need to learn java to use linux ...
[05:04] <ablest> imlooking to learn to computer programming
[05:05] <cfhowlett> ablest, suggest you start with python edition #1   http://fullcirclemagazine.org/tag/special/
[05:06] <cfhowlett> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/python-special-edition-1/
[05:07] <OerHeks> FCM is good
[05:07] <cfhowlett> # # # great
[05:08] <ablest> python and c?
[05:08] <ablest> ty cf ill look
[05:11] <grisisiknis> yo
[05:11] <ablest> which issue no# ? cf
[05:12] <ablest> yo
[05:12] <cfhowlett> ablest, start with #1 ... I believe they're now up to issue 8
[05:12] <cfhowlett> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/python-special-edition-1/
[05:12] <grisisiknis> cool it works, just setting up my IRC client :)
[05:12] <ablest> ok
[05:14] <ararob> Is it possible to have cdemu mount an iso on startup everytime with the same device name?
[05:15] <ararob> Cuz right now the mount disappears on restart
[05:15] <ablest> ty cfhowlet  bye
[05:15] <cfhowlett> ablest, happy2help
[05:20] <ararob> Maybe i need cdemutray, it mentions an automount option
[05:24] <dts|pokeball> why does cdemutray sound familiar?
[05:24] <tissuesamples> I'm running prosody 0.9.4-1~ubuntu14.04.1 on Ubuntu server 14.04 - however, it doesn't appear to be writing anything: not the PID file or logs in /var/log/prosody. "There is no 'pidfile' option in the configuration file, see http://prosody.im/doc/prosodyctl#pidfile for help"
[05:25] <tissuesamples> there are many different log files but they contain nothing - /var/run/prosody is set to prosody:adm 664 but it just won't write the pidfile and thus I cannot use prosodyctl
[05:27] <rishikaushal> unable to login in single user mode
[05:29] <rishikaushal> Paul:hi
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: To perform daemon control commands prosodyctl needs a pidfile value specified in /etc/prosody/prosody.cfg.lua. Failure to do so will cause prosodyctl to complain.
[05:30] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: man prosodyctl
[05:30] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, I have the default pidfile value set: pidfile = "/var/run/prosody/prosody.pid";
[05:31] <rishikaushal> unable to chat
[05:32] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, I've enabled modules with success in /etc/prosody/prosody.cfg.lua, so I assume I've got the right config file - my concern is that it's just not writing anything, no logs or the pidfile
[05:32] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: maybe this can help: https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/messaging/installing-prosody-xmpp-server-on-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin
[05:33] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, I'll try upgrading via their repository
[05:37] <sebastian> browser says adobe flash is outdated and needs to be updated, what is the command line statement for this?
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> sebastian: start your update icon
[05:38] <sebastian> lotuspsychje, how can I do this from the command line though?
[05:38] <sebastian> from the terminal
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> sebastian: sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:38] <sebastian> thank you! :D!
[05:38] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, it appears that using their packages has made it work correctly - I suspect a bug in Debian's packaging.
[05:39] <tissuesamples> lotuspsychje, thanks for your help
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> tissuesamples: np
[05:39] <ablest> hi
[05:39] <ablest> cfhowlett
[05:40] <ablest> the fullcirlcemagazine is asking to chmod a folder i dont know how after i created hello.py
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> ablest: join the #python guys
[05:41] <ablest> ok
[05:42] <ablest> i cant send there
[05:43] <ablest> ill try later ty
[05:48] <etzerd> hello all
[05:48] <etzerd> ?
[05:49] <etzerd> how can I download just the Gnome Desktop version from Ubuntu?
[05:49] <etzerd> because I don't like the Unity desktop that much.
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> !gnome | etzerd
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> etzerd: you can also auto-hide unity left bar and install docky at bottom to have gnome feeling
[05:59] <RahulAN> hii all
[06:01] <RahulAN> i want to put linux over my netbook, ubuntu is much bigger.. any suggestion
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: what do you mean bigger
[06:02] <RahulAN> it hangs my netbook
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: wich ubuntu version did you try?
[06:02] <RahulAN> 12.04
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: try 14.04
[06:02] <RahulAN> i want some flavour that is lighter
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: what kind of netbook is this?
[06:02] <RahulAN> it have 1 gb RAM and Atom processor
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: you can try lubuntu or xubuntu 14.04
[06:03] <RahulAN> i tried lubuntu previously..
[06:03] <RahulAN> it was fine
[06:03] <RahulAN> what about xubuntu??
[06:04] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: all depends on your choice, i have netbook with ssd and ubuntu 14.04 64bit, runs like rocket
[06:04] <fego> xubuntu is a bit heavy RahulAN compared to lubuntu. but you can try your luck,  i had xubuntu running on somewhat old systems.
[06:05] <RahulAN> i will try lubuntu
[06:05] <fego> what netbook lotuspsychje?
[06:05] <RahulAN> I am using bodhi now on that pc but skype is giving problem there
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> fego: acer aspire ONE with samsung evo 840
[06:06] <fego> nice
[06:07] <RahulAN> here it is showing 14.14
[06:07] <RahulAN> *14.10
[06:07] <fego> :o
[06:07] <RahulAN> is that ok??
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: depends what you want, 14.10 is only 9 months support
[06:08] <fego> yes, it is the latest ubuntu version.
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: if you want long time support, choose an LTS version
[06:08] <RahulAN> then 14.04 is best?? or 12.04
[06:09] <pixxel> Anyone know why when i connect to a WIFI the mac address i spoofed always get changed back to the HW mac?
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: i would reccomend 14.04 LTS
[06:09] <Stanley00> RahulAN: 14.04 is better than 12.04 IMO
[06:09] <RahulAN> ok
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> pixxel: maybe try macchanger ?
[06:09] <pixxel> i have
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> pixxel: do you have static ip or dynamic?
[06:10] <pixxel> dynamic
[06:10] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04/release/   in this first one is ok ..
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: check your architecture of your pc, to know if you need 32bit or 64bit
[06:11] <RahulAN> 32 bit
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: ok then page is good, choose the PC version
[06:12] <pixxel> I'm stumped, did the usual stuff with downing the interface, changing the mac address, bringing the interface up again, but when the wifi reconnects i always get the same old HW mac address.
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> pixxel: maybe the ##networking guys might be able to solve this?
[06:13] <pixxel> Ok :) thanks lotuspsychje
[06:14] <frustro> got a dell laptop, busted screen.  unplugged it from mobo.  get 8 beeps, how do I disable this damn alarm?  in win it's disable system speaker/beep
[06:14] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, i chose 1st link to download
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> frustro: check the ##hardware channel
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: yes the first iso, the PC version
[06:14] <RahulAN> yes
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: download and create your usb stick
[06:15] <RahulAN> yes
[06:15] <RahulAN> simple dd commandwilll work here?
[06:15] <frustro> lotuspsychje: nice try, I'm able to disable it via hardware in win,
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: from wich Os will you create your stick?
[06:16] <RahulAN> I am currently on Ubuntu.
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: then use the disk creator icon
[06:16] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, Ohkkk
[06:16] <frustro> RahulAN: or use dd
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> RahulAN: its an icon with a HD and ubuntu logo
[06:17] <RahulAN> lotuspsychje, ok.
[06:17] <RahulAN> when i try to dump raspbian image on raspberry pi .. i use dd if=image of=/dev/sdb*  bs=4M
[06:18] <RahulAN> will this same work to this image also??
[06:19] <Stanley00> RahulAN: you can do the same (with some changes), but using usb disk creator is safer and recommended.
[06:20] <RahulAN> ohkkk Stanley00
[06:21] <frustro> RahulAN: when using dd you have to unmount the disk first.  so if your usb is sdb1, the u mount /dev/sdb. then dd if=path of=path minus the number.  for me, I plug in a usb it's sdb1. I then umount /dev/sdb...after that dd-if /image.iso of=/dev/sdb
[06:22] <RahulAN> frustro, no any other option
[06:23] <frustro> RahulAN: I just jumped in, not aware of your situation
[06:24] <RahulAN> frustro, Coool :_
[06:24] <RahulAN> :)
[06:25] <frustro> RahulAN: but to put an ISO onto a usb, is pretty simple. sudo dd if=source of=destination
[06:26] <frustro> or use unetbootin
[06:27] <frustro> anywho, how do I disable the system beep harware in ubuntu 14.04?
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> frustro: maybe this can help? http://superuser.com/questions/15770/what-is-the-best-way-to-turn-off-the-ubuntu-beep-permanently
[06:36] <ZZRMike> My screen intermittently turns off for a moment, has anyone come across this problem?
[06:36] <LarsN> any Ubuntu Orange-Box owners here that might be able to point me at documentation on how to set it up using Juju & Maas?
[06:51] <Fais13AttentioN> Hi all
[06:54] <javnut> Ok, there's 3 ways I d/l packages: a) I manually install them from the software centre b) the packages are d/led as dependencies for those manually installed packages c) upgraded packages
[06:54] <javnut> how can I get a list of only packages which have been downloaded through method a?
[07:17] <dody_> how install uck bro
[07:18] <bazhang> !remaster
[07:19] <dody_> cant i have problem install bro
[07:21] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubunutu classroom dead
[07:22] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:24] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:24] <somsip> !ask | BuJitsuBrown
[07:28] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:28] <dan123> hello
[07:29] <BuJitsuBrown> hello ?
[07:30] <dody_> why they cant help me me
[07:31] <BuJitsuBrown> Is the Ubuntu classroom dead?
[07:31] <ObrienDave> ummm, what ubuntu classroom?
[07:32] <BuJitsuBrown> here is the url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom i think it was ,is, suposed to help pepole learn about ubuntu and stuff
[07:34] <ObrienDave> new one on me
[07:34] <dan123> lol
[07:34] <BuJitsuBrown> everything is new to me
[07:34] <BuJitsuBrown> owell thanx tho
[07:37] <epyx> what is Ubuntu for cell phones / tablets take on privacy?
[07:41] <bazhang> !touch | epyx try there
[07:43] <epyx> thanks bazhang
[07:44] <bazhang> welcome
[07:53] <ubuntu363> Hi, I've tried install ubuntu 14 on an old pc from a live usb, it worked a few times, but I hadn't yet installed it and now it doesn't work
[07:54] <ubuntu363> I have an old live cd of older ubuntu which is working
[07:54] <ubuntu363> how can I install ubuntu 14 from the old cd?
[07:55] <sonny_> Hello, guys! What development tools C+ do you use ?
[07:57] <bazhang> ubuntu363, need a dvd or usb, unless its the mini; too big for a cd now
[07:57] <bazhang> sonny_, found in build-essential
[08:00] <arquebus> sonny: clang
[08:00] <bazhang> arquebus, for ubuntu? are you kidding?
[08:02] <arquebus> bazhang: why not? its not like he is deving for ubuntu
[08:04] <BuJitsuBrown> is the ubuntu classroom , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom, dead any one heard of it?
[08:05] <ObrienDave> you can ask in #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[08:08] <BuJitsuBrown> ok thanks
[08:13] <BuJitsuBrown> i have read some where that this channel if one of the largest on the freenode. if that is so with 1707 pepole i would think id b seeing more questions poping up but all i see is ...has time left or ,,, has joined or Ping timed out what does all this mean?
[08:14] <bazhang> you can hide that BuJitsuBrown
[08:14] <bazhang> what irc client
[08:16] <BuJitsuBrown> what do you mean "hide that" is this not the place to ask and answer questions i am confused?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, you can set your irc client to ignore joins/leaves
[08:17] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, hide the joins,parts etc in the channel
[08:18] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, so you see Only chat
[08:18] <BuJitsuBrown> ok ... is it ever usefull to see that information?
[08:18] <bazhang> if you are OCD
[08:18] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, up to you.
[08:18] <BuJitsuBrown> haha ok
[08:21] <ObrienDave> if I didn't hide join/part messages, i would miss cfhowlett's pithy remarks ;P
[08:22] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, and I might miss your retors
[08:22] <cfhowlett> *retorts*
[08:22] <ObrienDave> ;)
[08:27] <BuJitsuBrown> im still trying to figure out how to hide the time in /outs would some one please direct me?
[08:29] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, THIS time, ANSWER a simple question; what is your IRC client?
[08:30] <BuJitsuBrown> ok i think this is it Xchat 2.8.8
[08:31] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, right click on the channel tab > setting > hide join/part messages
[08:31] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, get hexchat, then click channel settings
[08:32] <LonelyDanbo> any chance anyone knows any guides for setting up apparmor for something like a WINE app? {I'm asking in #winehq but it's late at night so I thought I'd try here}
[08:32] <BuJitsuBrown> ok  i found it for xchat what is hexchat ?
[08:33] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, an actually maintained version of xchat
[08:33] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: what are you looking to achieve?
[08:33] <BuJitsuBrown> ok will do that thank you
[08:33] <LonelyDanbo> just to restrict file access to the virtual drive, or to stop internet access. I'd like to know how to do both.
[08:33] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: if it's just isolating from your user files you could create a dedicated wine user and run your wineprefixes through that
[08:34] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install hexchat BuJitsuBrown
[08:34] <alami> hello, is i686 a 32bits or 64bits?
[08:34] <cfhowlett> !info hexchat | BuJitsuBrown
[08:34] <bazhang> 32
[08:34] <sheap> sooooooooo if I accidentally deleted my osx partition...and I'm trying to install xubuntu 14.04, is it still possible to install and use xubuntu?
[08:34] <sheap> I'm typing to you via the xubuntu live cd
[08:35] <alami> bazhang: Sure?
[08:35] <cfhowlett> sheap, yes
[08:35] <LonelyDanbo> I don't know how to do other users conveniently. wouldn't I have to switch users? oh well. I guess it's rare that that would cause a problem, like in the middle of streaming video it often forgets what it's loaded.
[08:35] <cfhowlett> !mac | sheap
[08:35] <bazhang> alami, yes...
[08:35] <alami> bazhang: okay thanks :-)
[08:36] <sheap> cfhowlett: they say to partition and use refit on the osx partition :(
[08:36] <sheap> which is gone now
[08:36] <Manj-811-Xfce> good morninig
[08:36] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: There's a GUI to create users/groups. As for switching, I'd create a script that does "su wineuser wine /whatver/thing.exe"
[08:37] <LonelyDanbo> http://wiki.winehq.org/SecuringWine says "I know of no way to prevent win32 malware from issuing linux system calls directly." Wow, really???
[08:37] <cfhowlett> sheap, you only need refit if you are dual booting as I understand it
[08:37] <Manj-811-Xfce> can i install 14.0.1 in the dutch language
[08:37] <cfhowlett> Manj-811-Xfce, yes
[08:37] <Manj-811-Xfce> last time there was no language pack(i have that problem)
[08:37] <bazhang> 14.10?
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> why 14.10???
[08:38] <LonelyDanbo> also how does creating a user/group help compared to apparmor?
[08:38] <bazhang> there is no 14.01
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> sorry 14.04.1
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> im just awake
[08:38] <Manj-811-Xfce> hhahahahaha
[08:39] <cfhowlett> !nl | Manj-811-Xfce
[08:39] <Manj-811-Xfce> ubottu i no but they are sleeping or working
[08:40] <LonelyDanbo> the only thing I see the user being able to limit might be internet access.  UHG! I hate humans.
[08:42] <hateball> LonelyDanbo: So at most it would wipe the wineprefix and whatever else that user might have
[08:42] <LonelyDanbo> oh, I see.
[08:43] <Pepps_mobile> Anyone else have issues with elantech touchpad not working on a laptop? I can get it working on 14.04 or 14.10
[08:43] <tnkhanh> ubottu: ubuntu
[08:43] <bazhang> tnkhanh, /msg the bot
[08:44] <tnkhanh> bazhang: cool
[08:47] <LonelyDanbo> how do I get files to a new user account? I hope I don't have to reinstall stuff.
[08:48] <bazhang> LonelyDanbo, back up and restore them?
[08:49] <LonelyDanbo> ... backup how?
[08:49] <BuJitsuBrown> i just finished dloading the hexchat but i cant find ubuntu in the Hexchat: Network List could someone help me please?
[08:49] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, join the freenode server
[08:50] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, the default for that should list freenode, or possibly ubuntu
[08:50] <BuJitsuBrown> ok will do
[08:50] <LonelyDanbo> bazhang, I only know how to manually backup and I don't ....
[08:54] <LonelyDanbo> I wonder if age is making me stupid {no} oh ok... then I wonder how much of it's my lifestyle and how much of it is my environment. or maybe I've always been a piece of crap. {stupid words with "ie" in them. language is stupid.}
[08:54] <zhengzm> hello
[08:56] <bazhang> LonelyDanbo, this is not the place for such, thanks
[08:57] <BuJitsuBrown> YEA i got hexchat thank you guys
[08:57] <bazhang> welcome
[08:59] <mohsen-rashidi> how do i check the status of demons in ubuntu?
[08:59] <cfhowlett> mohsen-rashidi, no demons or other supernatural events noted.
[09:00] <mohsen-rashidi> cfhowlett: very funny.
[09:00] <bazhang> upstart mohsen-rashidi
[09:00] <mohsen-rashidi> bazhang: thank you but could you give me the complete command?
[09:01] <BuJitsuBrown> deamons are programs that run in the
[09:01] <bazhang> daemons yes
[09:01] <bazhang> !upstart
[09:02] <BuJitsuBrown> sorry in the "background" right?
[09:06] <BuJitsuBrown> idk if i can curse here but i want to i close my terminal and hexchat went with it would some one please tell me why?
[09:07] <cfhowlett> BuJitsuBrown, because you started hexchat from the terminal.  and no, no cursing
[09:09] <BuJitsuBrown> ok, lol ok to that to
[09:09] <Odd_Bloke> I'm seeing regular Chromium crashes in Utopic; this is the output from dmesg for a few of them: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9548556/
[09:10] <Odd_Bloke> Can anyone give me pointers as to how to produce something more useful for a bug report?
[09:13] <BuJitsuBrown> somone asked a ? about deamons i was woundering if they were the programs that run in the "background" ?
[09:14] <Nivalis> hello, i have problem. i want to change locale for current user. in archlinux i can create file ~/.config/locale.conf and write LANG variable, but in ubuntu it doesn't work
[09:16] <bazhang> !locale
[09:16] <bazhang> Nivalis, ^
[09:21] <ThePendulum> Hey. I'm trying to install teamviewer after removing an obsolete version, but dpkg simply responds "Errors were encountered while processing: teamviewer", which is a little shallow
[09:21] <ThePendulum> Any ideas how to proceed?
[09:23] <BuJitsuBrown> if deamons are programs running inthe back ground how do i know wich ones are essential to Not kill?
[09:29] <ararob> BuJitsuBrown:by finding out what they do?
[09:30] <BuJitsuBrown> ok how do i do that , do i just google them ,if that does work is there an eaier way , could i search for their funciton in terminal?
[09:33] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: daemons are programs that round in the background and provide a certain type of service. Normally, for the system to function, you want all the daemons provided by ubuntu.
[09:34] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: if you feel like breaking you system though, the daemons started at system boot are listed in /etc/init/* and /etc/rc{2,3,4,5}.d/*. Other applications (like backgroudn GUI software) may be started by your window manager. Refer to your WM documentation to find out where the list is.
[09:35] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: normally, if you less/cat/more the files, they contain a short description. If not, you can always google for the term "ubuntu insert_daemon_name_here" to find out more. or read the daemon man pages.
[09:35] <BuJitsuBrown> "that round in the background " what dose this mean , and is it possible that not all deamons are good for me like somkind of spywhere?
[09:35] <iptable> ThePendulum: no, if you look some lines above that error, it states which package and what errors
[09:35] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: it means I misspelled it. RUN in the background...
[09:36] <BuJitsuBrown> oh sorry i do that all the time i understand
[09:36] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: no spyware daemons are installed on your system by default, nor form ubuntu's main repos.
[09:36] <iptable> 'does' not 'dose' :P
[09:38] <BuJitsuBrown> ok :)
[09:38] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: what are you actually trying to achieve? Is this a generic question, or have you grounds to believe you have been compromised as your system was not up to date and you are running server services and/or GUI software as root?
[09:39] <BuJitsuBrown> im not shure truth is i often push the bounderies and i i dont even know what im pushing
[09:42] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: install a fresh system, ps -ef it, ps -ef your system, compare. Check what the services do that are in your install that are not present in the fresh one. You will know then.
[09:43] <iptable> BuJitsuBrown: although, if you were compromised, your ps and other binaries probably got patched, so you would need to boot form liveCD and md5sum check if the binaries are correct first. There is a tool to check integrity, I can't remember the name though.
[09:44] <BuJitsuBrown> wow i so wish i knew half of what you just said i just have to copy/paste and reseach it at my speed later lol :)
[09:45] <bazhang> !manual | BuJitsuBrown
[09:45] <ararob> iptable:md5 hashes are easy to fake these days too :)
[09:45] <bazhang> !rute | BuJitsuBrown and this
[09:46] <bazhang> ararob, on the official ubuntu md5 hash site?
[09:47] <iptable> ararob: doing those checks from liveCD is sufficient confirmation that binaries have not been altered
[09:49] <BuJitsuBrown> ok thank you for the homework :) ima chek it out
[09:50] <bazhang> BuJitsuBrown, the first is  free pdf download
[09:50] <BuJitsuBrown> ok
[09:57] <Odd_Bloke> bazhang: The attacker could craft a 'ps' binary that had the same MD5SUM as the normal one; MD5 is a broken hashing algorithm.
[09:57] <Odd_Bloke> Just s/md5/sha256/g. :p
[10:01] <ararob> Odd_Bloke: yeah, it's about time everybody changed to SHA-2. If NSA says so, you better believe it *ahem*
[10:02] <iptable> can we not add NSA to the conversation?
[10:02] <ararob> sure.
[10:05] <Lucax> I Don't know if this is the right channel but for this topic but is there a solution to the issue of flash not supporting linux
[10:05] <samgoody> I have a fqdn, say me.example.com It is my understanding that hostname = me and hostname -f = me.example.com
[10:06] <hateball> Lucax: If you run chrome/chromium you can use pepperflash. But the best option is to abandon flash
[10:06] <Lucax> I use firefox
[10:07] <samgoody> Is that correct? If so, how do I set it - when I set hostname = me.example.com it sets both the hostname and the fqdn to the fqdn
[10:07] <Kyoshiro`> hi
[10:08] <Lucax> how to run flash with firefox and linux? and if I abandon flash, what is the alternative?
[10:08] <Lucax> any quick alternative?
[10:08] <ararob> html5 video I guess, and hope the site in question doesn't run flash.
[10:08] <Kyoshiro`> html5 :)
[10:09] <Kyoshiro`> or install flashplugin-installer
[10:09] <samgoody> Also, cat /etc/hosts does not match the output of hostname
[10:09] <indistylo> Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[10:10] <Kyoshiro`> I'm using ubuntu with virtualbox, I'd like to be able to paste my password at the login screen but it doesn't seem to allow it (copy paste works after login only), how can I enable the copy/paste of password on the login screen ?
[10:10] <nwe> hello, how can I disable so my interfaces doesnt rename from ethX to emX and rename4..
[10:10] <White_Cat> Is there a mail server that I can use with ubuntu-server. I was looking at postfix but that requires creation of ubuntu accounts per each email account. I'd rather keep the two seperate as users will never ever login to the ubuntu server and they tend to use less than ideally strong passwords.
[10:10] <samgoody> Anyone around that knows anything about dns, or should I be asking on the server channel?
[10:11] <Kyoshiro`> you don't need system accounts for postfix you can use some other auth backend
[10:11] <White_Cat> I can?
[10:11] <indistylo> Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[10:11] <Kyoshiro`> yes, I think you can with postfix-mysql or postfix-ldap
[10:12] <White_Cat> Okay let me google the latter
[10:12] <Kyoshiro`> ^^
[10:12] <White_Cat> I'd rather not involve mysql
[10:12] <indistylo> I am using ubuntu 12.04, since long time Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[10:12] <Kyoshiro`> White_Cat, maybe look at http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html too
[10:13] <Kyoshiro`> and dovecot + ldap for auth and IMAP features
[10:13] <samgoody> OK, can someone tell me the channel name for ubuntu server?
[10:14] <samgoody> (There is a seperate server channel, right?)
[10:14] <hateball> !server
[10:14] <samgoody> tanku
[10:15] <Kyoshiro`> so, does anyone know how I can enable the copy/paste of password on the login screen ?
[10:29] <Thunder2> i have a shutdownproblem with the latest lubuntu
[10:29] <Thunder2> there is a freeze at the logo
[10:32] <epyx> Thunder2, I got that on the latest Ubuntu
[10:32] <epyx> on 14.04 right now without issues though
[10:32] <superherointj> Another day I came here and someone helped me fix my Ubuntu video driver issues.
[10:33] <Thunder2> last week it worked... now it freezes again
[10:33] <Thunder2> i just installed latest updates
[10:53] <reetika>  /msg NickServ identify
[10:54] <ObrienDave> remove leading space LOL
[10:55] <Kyoshiro`> does anyone know how I can enable the copy/paste of password on the login screen (lightDM) ?
[10:59] <clarient_> !GUI
[11:01] <helloimthatguype> Hey all, im having a problem with plymouth, my splash displays and ive tried all resolutions but the black border keeps on displaying, making use of a added gpu as opposed to my onboard graphics just to add as a sidenote, anyone know how I can resolve this? or even at all possible?
[11:03] <clarient_> !KDE
[11:05] <ehnet> i prefer openbox
[11:05] <ehnet> less cluster
[11:05] <qknight_> hi. if someone here as ubuntu 14.04 + nvidia (not nouveau), then please paste me: uname -a; dpkg -l | grep nvidia; ; because i don't know which kernel to pick for the nvidia module
[11:08] <k1l> qknight_: which kernel to pick?
[11:12] <qknight_> k1l: i don't know which kernel i should use.
[11:13] <qknight_> k1l: uname -a should print out the used kernel
[11:13] <k1l> qknight_: what are you doing there at all?
[11:13] <qknight_> k1l: please, if you can, just answer my question
[11:14] <k1l> ubuntu 14.04 just got 1 actual kernel, the latest
[11:14] <Ben64> theres no reason you should ever need to pick a kernel for nvidia
[11:14] <indistylo> I am using ubuntu 12.04, since long time Battery indicator is not showing up in gnome applet,  How can i resolve it
[11:14] <qknight_> that is? 3.16, right?
[11:14] <Ben64> qknight_: what are you doing picking, you should already have a kernel, explain yourself
[11:14] <k1l> qknight_: your questions dont make sense at all. so what are you trying to do?
[11:15] <k1l> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[11:15] <mjayk> k1l: it has many kernels, it defo doesnt have "the latest"
[11:15] <k1l> mjayk: linux-image-generic always links to the latest build in that branch.
[11:16] <mjayk> k1l: its the latest for that specific branch its no way near the latest; reading his question one can only presume he wants to update the kernel and make sure that the one he chooses works with nvidia drivers; as quite a few dont
[11:17] <k1l> mjayk: yes yes yes. not the latest as in 3.19 or such. but you dont have to choose. there is only one actual latest kernel package for that release. ist just his questions dont make sense at all
[11:17] <Ben64> mjayk: not good to presume, which is why we want more explanation from qknight_
[11:18] <mjayk> Ben64: one always has to presume, k1l you have to choose if you want to change. He obviously has a kernel and wants to pick another one.
[11:19] <Ben64> not obvious at all. presuming can lead to incorrect answers being given
[11:19] <qknight_> what i want to do is simple:  get nvidia graphis working as it was before 'apt-get upgrade'. i tried various different nvidia-331 (for example) packages and doing 'modprobe nvidia' shows drm erros like this: https://gist.github.com/qknight/edfefee811acb0e35063
[11:19] <k1l> i am out of this quess show
[11:19] <qknight_> Ben64, k1l: maybe you can help me?
[11:24] <ablest> hi
[11:28] <k1l> qknight_: so its a dual vga setup? what is the whole dmesg output? what are the errors? what is the result you see? you see the login screen?
[11:28] <k1l> qknight_: what is the bios setting set to?
[11:32] <saa> i installed ubuntu on hp windows 8 laptop
[11:32] <qknight_> k1l: lspci shows only one VGA adapter and i don't have any external display (it is a laptop). i see a login screen and after login it just does not start anything and stays with a ubuntu background and a mouse cursor. i don't know about bios settings
[11:32] <qknight_> k1l: but it used to work before
[11:32] <saa> but my bios is not showing ubuntu entry
[11:32] <qknight_> Guest10140: that is not the bios it is grub!
[11:32] <Guest10140> when i boot system it directly goes to windows 8 can someone pl help me to get boot option for windows 8 as well as ubuntu
[11:33] <qknight_> Guest10140: do you have one or two harddrives?
[11:33] <Guest10140> no its only one sda partition
[11:36] <Guest10140> how to sort out my grub
[11:37] <k1l> Guest10140: did you install ubuntu in a own partition? or into windows with wubi?
[11:37] <Guest10140> own partition
[11:37] <Guest10140> sda8 with ext4
[11:37] <Guest10140> my sda is divided into sda1 to sda8
[11:38] <k1l> what gives you "sudo fdisk -l" (small L at the end) in a pastebin?
[11:38] <perlmonkey> Hi all
[11:38] <reetika> gimp 2.8 in ubuntu 14.04 cant save images in png and jpg format?
[11:39] <jatt> reetika: it can you need to export them
[11:39] <perlmonkey> you need to export them
[11:39] <Guest10140> hw to use pastebin
[11:39] <reetika> ok
[11:40] <reetika> if we open image using gimp and chnge image size and trying to save it
[11:40] <reetika> it is saving xcf format only
[11:40] <jatt> reetika: save it and then export it
[11:40] <Guest10140> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549623/ here is pastebin
[11:41] <reetika> save it in which format?
[11:41] <perlmonkey> reekita: yes it does now by default, to save to png or jpg use File -> Export option
[11:41] <jatt> reetika: xcf
[11:41] <perlmonkey> any format
[11:41] <reetika> ok
[11:41] <perlmonkey> if you type file.png Gimp knows to save it in that format and gives file the extension .png but your master file .xcf remains on screen
[11:42] <perlmonkey> it's a better improved feature
[11:42] <reetika> thnks it is working
[11:42] <perlmonkey> but you must use 'export' save as no longer works for formats other than .xcf
[11:42] <perlmonkey> great :)
[11:43] <reetika> is dere any other way
[11:43] <perlmonkey> I don't think so
[11:43] <reetika> to get all format?
[11:43] <reetika> ok
[11:43] <nbougach> Hi
[11:43] <nbougach> Hi, How can I use chmod to get a -rw-r--r-- with ls?
[11:43] <Guest10140> pl. see pastebin http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549623/
[11:44] <nbougach> c http://paste.ubuntu.com/9549623/
[11:44] <perlmonkey> chmod 644
[11:44] <nbougach> thank you
[11:45] <Guest10140> need help on getting ubuntu boot option while system boots i installed ubuntu on windows 8 with HP laptop but my laptop automatically goes to windows 8 boot i dont see ubuntu at all
[11:46] <perlmonkey> I have an unusual problem concerning nvidia I think.. I had a working desktop (gnome) with xorg, with the basic nvidia settings manager app (no updated drivers), I updated the drivers, and now xorg won't load, I just get a low res black screen, big X... any ideas how to restore it back? I removed all the nvidia drivers, no effect tho
[11:46] <k1l> Guest10140: use gdisk instead of fdisk since you have a gpt partition table
[11:46] <Guest10140> i have booted now with ubutun when laptop restarted and i could select f9 key and then selected hard drive boot option and booted ubuntu from there
[11:47] <Guest10140>  sudo gdisk -l GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8  Problem opening -l for reading! Error is 2. The specified file does not exist!
[11:47] <perlmonkey> Guest10410 did that solve your problem? I was going to suggest installing a bootloader like grub on the Windows partition
[11:49] <perlmonkey> Ubuntu normally does install a bootload on a system with Windows as primary boot partition and detects the Windows partition and gives you a list of boot options eh
[11:49] <Guest10140> sudo gdisk -l GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8  Problem opening -l for reading! Error is 2. The specified file does not exist!
[11:51] <perlmonkey> Guest10140: run gdisk without any options then type device ie /dev/sda
[11:51] <Guest10140> ok one sec
[11:51] <perlmonkey> then you can use commands, like 'p' = print all partitions on display on screen
[11:51] <Guest10140> Type device filename, or press <Enter> to exit: /dev/sda Partition table scan:   MBR: protective   BSD: not present   APM: not present   GPT: present  Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT.
[11:52] <Guest10140> i got above
[11:52] <perlmonkey> interesting, what kind of drive do you?
[11:52] <perlmonkey> sda = usually SATA 1st drive
[11:52] <Guest10140> hw to find that
[11:53] <Guest10140> can i use gparted
[11:54] <perlmonkey> there is a gui tool in gnome and probably other desktops for showing discs and partitions.. one sec
[11:54] <Guest10140> is it gparted
[11:55] <perlmonkey> Guest10140: no, click on your apps search box at top, and type 'disks' and it will show a 'disks' app with grey disk icon
[11:55] <perlmonkey> that shows all the hdd's and other storage devices attached to sys (even unmounted) and lets you see visually each partition, filesystem file/status etc
[11:56] <Guest10140> what do i cut paste here
[11:56] <perlmonkey> you can even do changes from there to partitions, delete/set bootable, resize etc
[11:56] <Guest10140> i could go to disks
[11:57] <perlmonkey> Guest10140 that's the best tool to use, it will use the underlying tools, rather than mess in a shell, but you can mount a device or use gdisk easier if you use gui disks app first to identify the disk type and dev name
[11:58] <Guest10140> i am in disks
[11:58] <Guest10140> can u tell me what i should do nw
[11:58] <perlmonkey> ok do you see your disks listed now on left hand pane
[11:58] <Guest10140> yes
[11:58] <Guest10140> 500 GB hard disk ST500LM012 HN-M500MBB (2AR10002)
[11:58] <perlmonkey> on the right had side for each disk, look for 'Device' and see what comes after /dev
[11:59] <perlmonkey> is there /sda$ for first drive in list?
[11:59] <Guest10140> sda1
[11:59] <Guest10140> Partition type
[12:00] <Guest10140> Microsoft Windows Recovery Environment (System
[12:00] <perlmonkey> good, that means you have a SATA drive, and a primary system partition
[12:00] <Guest10140> sda2 EFI system
[12:00] <Guest10140> sda7 BIOS boot
[12:01] <perlmonkey> Guest10140: select the little cogs icon below your drive display on right pane
[12:01] <perlmonkey> see the options now?
[12:02] <Guest10140> that round option
[12:02] <perlmonkey> Guest10140 yeah the two round circles
[12:02] <perlmonkey> after the -
[12:02] <Guest10140> yes there are several options there
[12:03] <in2140> ?
[12:03] <Guest10140> format create disk image etc
[12:03] <perlmonkey> yes, be careful making any changes though to mounted partition
[12:03] <Guest10140> now what
[12:03] <perlmonkey> what do you want to do?
[12:03] <Guest10140> i want my linux boot to be available when my laptop boots
[12:03] <Guest10140> with windows 8
[12:04] <perlmonkey> you need to install a bootloader is all, like grub or lilo
[12:04] <Guest10140> that is already there
[12:04] <Guest10140> installed
[12:04] <perlmonkey> it will place the bootloader in a section of your windows partition
[12:04] <Guest10140> but it is nt showing when my laptop boots
[12:04] <Guest10140> ok nw tell me hw to do it
[12:04] <perlmonkey> and automatically detect your Linux kernels
[12:05] <perlmonkey> you best Google that, it's a subject that is well covered with tutorials
[12:05] <Guest10140> i didnt find proper answer hence i am asking
[12:05] <Guest10140> or may be didnt understand
[12:05] <Guest10140> nw i am in linux partition
[12:05] <Guest10140> can i reinstall grub and see my machine boots with ubuntu and windows 8 boot option
[12:05] <perlmonkey> if you ask a specific question, we can answer, but you're asking how to do a general task well documented and which is involved
[12:06] <perlmonkey> the bootloader does not install on Linux partition it goes on Windows partition
[12:06] <Guest10140> i am sorry if i am nt asking correct question
[12:06] <Guest10140> will u be able to help me
[12:07] <perlmonkey> if you have an Ubuntu install CD you can use that and select the bootloader install option, this should have been done as part of the Ubuntu install on a system with Windows on already
[12:07] <Ben64> perlmonkey: uh, the bootloader doesn't go on a partition
[12:07] <perlmonkey> Ben64 where does it go then?
[12:07] <Ben64> beginning of the drive
[12:08] <Guest10140> in my case is it then sda1
[12:08] <perlmonkey> oh yeah, there's an area reserved isn't there?
[12:08] <perlmonkey> but it's not on sda1 partition is it?
[12:08] <Ben64> grub would normally be installed on sda
[12:08] <perlmonkey> right
[12:09] <Guest10140> i had created a partition sda8 for ext4
[12:09] <Guest10140> the installation was successful
[12:09] <Guest10140> but after reboot i didnt get proper grub
[12:09] <perlmonkey> Ben64: my advice was ok? he just needs to install grup/lilo and that's a task well covered and also the Ubuntu CD will do it for you, even post-install?
[12:09] <Ben64> well lilo isn't really used
[12:09] <Guest10140> i had to select f9 key and then select hard drive and then selected ubuntu
[12:09] <Ben64> f9? why
[12:09] <perlmonkey> I prefer grub and I think most use it
[12:10] <Guest10140> because i was nt able to get straight linux boot
[12:10] <Ben64> i don't really know what f9 does, but i know i've never had to press that to install ubuntu
[12:10] <perlmonkey> Guest10140 maybe you chose no to the install grub option by mistake
[12:10] <Guest10140> no i didnt do anything
[12:10] <Guest10140> installer automatically installed grub
[12:11] <Guest10140> which i saw while installation was running
[12:11] <perlmonkey> you can display scroll back on the list of install options and choose it if you boot off CD in rescue mode
[12:11] <perlmonkey> that's the easiest way if you don't want to install grub manually, but its not that difficult and well documented online
[12:12] <perlmonkey> I'm sure there's even tools to install grub available from Linux
[12:12] <perlmonkey> from gui i mean
[12:12] <Ben64> !fixgrub
[12:13] <Ben64> lots of information in those links
[12:13] <perlmonkey> don't be editing the bootloader files unless you know what you're doing, else you get a non-booting system
[12:13] <perlmonkey> thanks Ben64
[12:14] <perlmonkey> now, can anyone offer any suggestions how to restore my xorg? I think installing + removing nvidia drivers screwed it up, i got black screen low res/big white X, the sign of a broken xorg eh
[12:15] <perlmonkey> i should have backed up the config file, silly me
[12:15] <perlmonkey> it worked fine before i installed the nvidia drivers, curse nvidia
[12:15] <Ben64> how did you install nvidia
[12:16] <perlmonkey> Ben64: ok I did a normal install, and all it installed was the nvidia settings manager app, nothing showed as special drivers, so I think it used generic (non-proprietory) or standard version, i updated it, and that broke it
[12:17] <Ben64> what video card(s)
[12:17] <arcsky> if i want to send my syslog/messages to an syslogserver which file do i need to configure? do i need to install a syslogserver ?
[12:19] <perlmonkey> Ben64 I did see the card type but can't remember how now, any idea?
[12:19] <Ben64> lshw -C VIDEO
[12:20] <perlmonkey> thanks
[12:22] <perlmonkey> Ben64: C68 GeForce 7050 PV / nForce 630a
[12:23] <Ben64> perlmonkey: apparently you need the legacy 304.xx drivers for that card
[12:23] <perlmonkey> Ben64: on output it says *-display UNCLAIMED.. I guess because no port in use?
[12:23] <perlmonkey> Ben64 thanks I will try that
[12:23] <Ben64> it should be in the repositories
[12:23] <perlmonkey> many thanks Ben, this nvidia drives me mad
[12:24] <Ben64> !info nvidia-304 trusty
[12:24] <Ben64> if you're on 14.04 use that
[12:24] <perlmonkey> I generally leave well alone when working, i dunno why i updated driver!! a moments insanity
[12:24] <perlmonkey> yes I am, thanks
[12:27] <fossxplorer> I have a question regarding differences of Ubuntu vs CentOS. What exactly does Upstart offer of command as to administer services/daemons? Can one use 'service'?
[12:27] <YamakasY_> why is this partition scheme ignored ? it just creates swap and / on vg00 http://pastebin.com/7a3uyXZh
[12:27]  * perlmonkey had written off a number of SATA drives as dead, turns out they were ok, just needed the terminals on SATA connection cleaned/new SATA cable... be careful of that guys
[12:28] <perlmonkey> those drives showed errors, but after formatting are now fine
[12:28] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning all
[12:28] <xangua> no sun here yet :(
[12:28] <perlmonkey> morning BluesKaj
[12:29] <perlmonkey> xangua nor here, non expected today
[12:29]  * perlmonkey is tempted to leave grey and cold UK and go to sunny climate for a couple of weeks of rest
[12:30]  * perlmonkey tests nvidia problem to see if 304 fixed it
[12:30] <BluesKaj_> perlmonkey, Hi, I had sata drive die after just 4 yrs
[12:31] <perlmonkey> BluesKaj I generally don't like magnetic hdd anymore, I'm moving more to solid state tech and cloud, but I have written off drives in past they were fine
[12:32] <BluesKaj_> Most WDs last much longer than 4 yrs, I have a 9 yr old 160G drive still operating
[12:32] <perlmonkey> using a raid makes sense or rsync I think and two drives, if you want good backup or redundancy
[12:33]  * perlmonkey is now testing a Raspberry PI with SD+USD stick 32GB and cloud/NFS
[12:33] <perlmonkey> I find Seagate HDD's more reliable, Maxtor one of the worse makes for me, I had to replace several
[12:34] <perlmonkey> with magnetic HDD's just bad shutdowns, or disturbing a cable can ruin a filesystem
[12:34] <perlmonkey> I lost several drives in storms to backouts and power surges
[12:35] <perlmonkey> worth investing in UPS and/or power surge protection
[12:35] <Mrokii> Hello. How can I check how much RAM is recognised in my computer (via Bash or otherwise)?
[12:35] <perlmonkey> Mrokii 'free'
[12:36] <BluesKaj_> Mrokii, free in the term
[12:36] <perlmonkey> yeah
[12:36] <perlmonkey> free -h if you want it in GB's
[12:37] <perlmonkey> -h = human friendly readable format ;-)
[12:37] <Mrokii> perlmonkey, BluesKaj_ Thanks. Unfortunately something doesn't seem to work right here. There should be 8 Gig available, but free only shows 5.4 Gig. :-/
[12:37] <perlmonkey> Mrokki is 8GB now showing as total mem?
[12:38] <perlmonkey> *now~not
[12:38] <BluesKaj_> MobGod, under total?
[12:38] <perlmonkey> yeah
[12:38] <Mrokii> perlmonkey: No. Total is 5.4 Gig
[12:38] <Ben64> Mrokii: pastebin the output of "free -m"
[12:38] <perlmonkey> oh that's odd
[12:39] <perlmonkey> how about a RAM test from grub?
[12:39] <Mrokii> I just installed new RAM, so maybe one of the pieces is faulty. :-/
[12:39] <perlmonkey> maybe you have a bad strip
[12:39] <perlmonkey> its possible yes, or maybe just not seated right, they can be fiddly
[12:39] <perlmonkey> be careful of static, earth yourself
[12:40] <Mrokii> I'll check them again. And I am usually careful of static.
[12:40] <perlmonkey> I had RAM not showing, I dusted, cleaned, re-seated, then it showed
[12:40] <perlmonkey> :-)
[12:40] <azizLIGHT> Test
[12:40] <Mrokii> perlmonkey: Thanks, I'll check them. Bye for now.
[12:41] <perlmonkey> bbfn  good luck
[12:41] <Mrokii> ty.
[12:42] <perlmonkey> RAM can be tricky too, sometimes mismatches, if you had one strip that has error checking, but I guess he knew that
[12:42] <perlmonkey> general rule is to buy all same brand/source
[12:43] <perlmonkey> same applies to HDD I find, matched pairs works well for rsync
[12:43] <perlmonkey> for disk mirroring
[12:43] <BluesKaj_> just installed two 2G sticks on this old pc, makes quite a difference
[12:43] <perlmonkey> exact size and mechanical spec
[12:43] <perlmonkey> neat
[12:44] <Ben64> try to stay on topic here please, use #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support issues
[12:44] <perlmonkey> RAM can be tremendous difference eh, esp if you use RAM drives and lightweight dm like xfce4
[12:44] <perlmonkey> Ben64 apologies
[12:45]  * perlmonkey tests his headless nvidia system and gets back to work
[12:46] <BluesKaj_> gives this old amd dual core cpu gelp with booting into 14.10, especailly with KDE
[12:46] <BluesKaj_> err help
[12:47] <perlmonkey> Blue why you use such a heavy dm as kde with limited RAM? just prefer it? xfce4 runs loads faster and has hardly any loss of functionality
[12:48] <perlmonkey> xfce4 is a good choice for < 2GB or laptops/netbooks
[12:49] <perlmonkey> I like how you can customise it so much with bars/start menus etc, and widgets, also a lot of the xfce4 specific tools like the terminal just work better, with copy/paste etc
[12:49] <perlmonkey> a good balance of function over memory, but gnome and kde install a lot of bloat and take up a good deal of memory
[12:49] <ararob> perlmonkey:although i still can't paste with ctl+v into terminal.
[12:50] <perlmonkey> not being able to copy and paste easily in terminal is very annoying
[12:50] <ararob> it works in mac os x :)
[12:50] <perlmonkey> is there a recommended terminal for gnome?
[12:50] <BluesKaj_> perlmonkey, 6G Ram works well ...the other desktops don't do much for me, even with 3G Ram i preferred KDE
[12:51] <perlmonkey> :)
[12:51] <perlmonkey> I have 4GB ram, running Gnome comfortably here, just about
[12:51] <perlmonkey> But I will be changing to xfce4 on my main workstation
[12:52] <perlmonkey> I would never run Gnome/KDE on my 2GB laptop or 1GB netbook
[12:52] <perlmonkey> the performance drop over xfce4 is dramatic
[12:52] <ararob> 4GB to run a desktop environment is crazy
[12:52] <madani> perlmonkey: may it cause to slow the sys?
[12:53] <perlmonkey> yeah its much slower in general, xfce4 is a lot quicker to start apps and do stuff
[12:53] <Mrokii> perlmonkey: Hi again. Just wanted to say that everything seems to works fine now. I re-inserted one of the strips and now 7.8 GB total memory are recognised. Thanks for the tip.
[12:53] <perlmonkey> Mrokii nice to hear :)
[12:54] <ararob> perlmonkey: 16GB and SSDs only way i'd choose KDE over XFCE
[12:54] <hateball> Using -offtopic for !ot is a complex concept
[12:54]  * perlmonkey run tinycore Linux on a Via embedded sys with just 256mb ram, that Linux runs entirely in RAM using RAM drive, INCREDIBLY fast, beats xfce4 with 4GB RAM :P
[12:55] <perlmonkey> RAM drives = awesome
[12:55] <Mrokii> madani: If you're referring to "only" having 4 GB for Ubuntu, I can say that it sometimes slows down things. But for me that wasn't so much the system itself but certain apps, like having opened lots of tabs in Chromium. That's why I went with about 8 Gig now and hope that it'll be better.
[12:55] <BluesKaj_> ararob,, well to each his own , but it depends what you run on the pc , not a gamer and this pc is our media server
[12:55] <perlmonkey> 4GB for me is sufficient, comfortable, more is better but not essential IMO.
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> ararob, that's total overkill for kde btw
[12:56] <perlmonkey> yeah I don't do gaming or any memory intensive stuff, just programming, normal computing, some graphics editing, encoding of videos and music etc
[12:56] <ararob> BluesKaj_: hah, say that in 10 years ;)
[12:57] <perlmonkey> I think we best stay on topic Ben64 has told us off, I forgot, sorry Ben
[12:57] <perlmonkey> this is meant for support only
[12:57] <perlmonkey> BluesKaj ;-)
[12:57]  * BluesKaj_ shrugs , wha's that got to do with now , ararob?
[12:58] <ignacio> I know Ubuntu 15.04 is not supported. But is there anyway for upgrade to it from 14.10_
[12:58] <ignacio> ?
[12:58] <BluesKaj_> poor ben64_ ... must be tough for him :)
[12:59] <hateball> !ubuntu+1 | ignacio
[12:59] <qknight_> https://gist.github.com/qknight/edfefee811acb0e35063 <- seems nvidia on ubuntu is 'just broken' with the packages coming with apt
[12:59] <ignacio> hateball, thank you
[12:59] <perlmonkey> you can't normally jump to a much newer release in an upgrade, I think you need to go through the upgrades? Else stuff will break if you just change the repoistories?
[13:00] <qknight_> i will install the nvidia driver from the run file now, maybe that'll work
[13:00] <perlmonkey> if there's more versions beteen 14.10 and 15.04
[13:01] <perlmonkey> gknight_ good luck man, I'm having some nvidia issues myself, f'kin cards are a nightmare eh
[13:01] <perlmonkey> i had proprietory tech and manufacturers who dont do open source
[13:01] <perlmonkey> *had~hate
[13:02] <scottstamp> I'm trying to find a web management UI for a basic router/firewall config, I don't really need anything too advanced, just managing port forwards and static leases. Any suggestions?
[13:02] <hateball> If the nvidia driver provided by the additional drivers installer does not work, I'd suggest using xorg-edgers ppa rather than manual install
[13:02] <Mrokii> qknight_: I think there are repositories for later nVidia-drivers.
[13:02] <BluesKaj_> odd, nvidia are least troublesome in my experience ...ati/amds give the most problems ime
[13:02] <qknight_> perlmonkey: indeed they are a nightmare. i've been having issues with nvidia+linux (and epecially debian) for nearly a decade now ;-)
[13:02] <DF3D2> if my audio device is CARD 2, DEVICE 0 according to aplay -L how come I can't seem to pipe that info in to MPD to control volume
[13:02] <perlmonkey> scottstamp: I generally do all that in my router, the fw and port forwarding is sufficient
[13:02] <DF3D2> the output works, but vol control dos not
[13:03] <perlmonkey> using the router makes sense I think (if you can) rather than software options
[13:03] <scottstamp> perlmonkey: that's the thing, this is a software router. :P
[13:03] <scottstamp> it's for a private network that my VMs join before they get a public-facing IP
[13:03] <perlmonkey> oh, don't you have a hardware router with a good web gui?
[13:03] <scottstamp> >VMs
[13:04] <perlmonkey> you might wanna invest in one? cheap on eBay
[13:04] <scottstamp> ..
[13:04] <scottstamp> Okay, the box the VMs are on is directly exposed to the internet. It's not behind a NAT. That's not an option. :P
[13:04] <perlmonkey> scottsamp: webmin might be of use
[13:05] <scottstamp> Too heavy.
[13:05] <scottstamp> I mean I have plenty of resources for it, but webmin would be incredibly wasteful.
[13:05] <BluesKaj_> !webmin
[13:05] <scottstamp> Hah. Also that.
[13:06] <scottstamp> Wait huh? I run it on Wheezy without a hitch and have for a long time...
[13:08] <perlmonkey> I used to run webmin and found it quite good, but these days I use cPanel/WHM and professional hosting
[13:08] <scottstamp> I'm partial to Virtualmin for non-production
[13:09] <scottstamp> Anything production is manually configured on nginx or managed with cPanel.
[13:09] <perlmonkey> cool
[13:10] <scottstamp> nginx usually just for SSL or non-PHP workloads. Do you host your own cPanel servers?
[13:11] <administrador> hola, alguien puede ayudarme
[13:12] <perlmonkey> scottstamp: I couldn't get used to nginx as I use a lot of perl, I know its supposed to be a lot more efficient than apache.. I don't own physical servers, but just buy resources, I use a clever green host that runs on 1/8th electricity of a normal data centre and uses cloud a lot for redundancy and load balancing, I manage my own DNS using DNSMadeEasy
[13:13] <Chuck_Norris> !es | administrador
[13:14] <administrador> gracias
[13:14] <scottstamp> heh, fair enough perlmonkey. I used to work as a sysadmin so the idea of letting a provider manage my stuff.. not happenin'
[13:15] <perlmonkey> scottstamp: 8.99 a month makes sense really cheaper than buying hardware/bandwidth, for high-speed, dedicated IP, ssh, dedicated resources, unlimited bandwidth/disk space.. its uk based where I am, the performance benefit has been significant since I moved from justhost in US, whom I been with for years due to their great support
[13:16] <Kyoshiro`> hi, does anyone know how I can enable the copy/paste (for usage in VMs) of password on the login screen (lightDM) ?
[13:16] <perlmonkey> Kyoshiro interesting question
[13:17] <scottstamp> That's not bad at all. I get my metal for $56/mo from a DC in Quebec (I'm in a neighbouring province), 32GB, Xeon Westmere 3530 (4c/8t), 4TB of disk and apparently unmetered bandwidth
[13:17] <perlmonkey> i dont think you could paste it, becuz pw's are not usually clear text on the field?
[13:17] <Kyoshiro`> it doesn't allow pasting :(
[13:17] <perlmonkey> unless you changed that
[13:18] <perlmonkey> but even if it did, or you could enable pasting I mean.. would it even work?
[13:18] <scottstamp> Afaik lightdm doesn't init the clipboard until post-login
[13:18] <Kyoshiro`> why not ?
[13:18] <scottstamp> Most wm's don't
[13:18] <perlmonkey> becuz the pw field doesn't use plain text?
[13:18] <scottstamp> it's just not part of that environment.
[13:18] <Kyoshiro`> hmmm
[13:18] <Kyoshiro`> it's too bad :(
[13:19] <perlmonkey> it *might* work, sometimes I can paste pw's, sometimes not (where I can paste at all I mean)
[13:19] <Kyoshiro`> I'm using a few VMs for security purposes (PCI1 environment) and I wanted to store complex long passwords into a password manager
[13:19] <scottstamp> Lol, irony at its best.
[13:20] <perlmonkey> isn't there a wallet-style app or something?
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> so I wanted to launch virtualbox and paste the login password ^^
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> well, it'd be after login only
[13:20] <perlmonkey> I was looking at wallet the other day, it seems to manage a lot of apps/services and pw's
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> why scottstamp ?
[13:20] <scottstamp> perlmonkey: I believe Kyoshiro` is talking about the login screen you're prompted with when you login to your user account.
[13:20] <Kyoshiro`> yup
[13:21] <scottstamp> Kyoshiro`: PCI1 environment, and you're looking to circumvent the main secure element, for convenience.
[13:21] <perlmonkey> scottstamp ah yeah so like the other poster said, paste would only be enabled after login?
[13:21] <Kyoshiro`> I'm logging in into a Virtualbox machine and I wanted to paste the password from my host
[13:21] <perlmonkey> in the dm environment
[13:21] <scottstamp> o/ I was the other poster, but correct.
[13:21] <Ben64> Kyoshiro`: why not just have it auto log in?
[13:21] <perlmonkey> :-)
[13:21] <Kyoshiro`> Ben64, it'd be much unsecure ^^
[13:21] <Ben64> yeah, so is what you want
[13:21] <perlmonkey> yeah autologin
[13:21] <scottstamp> lol
[13:22] <Kyoshiro`> scottstamp, well, I have to change pass every 90 days
[13:22] <Kyoshiro`> and keep it secure
[13:22] <perlmonkey> if security is not an problem and VNC is not used etc
[13:22] <scottstamp> Is your password the same password being used on the VMs?
[13:22] <Kyoshiro`> nope
[13:22] <Ben64> Kyoshiro`: maybe try asking in #vbox
[13:22] <scottstamp> Because if it's not, I'm pretty sure what you want to do is in direct violation of PCI
[13:23] <Kyoshiro`> it's a VM to connect the VPN only
[13:23] <scottstamp> Doesn't matter, if it has a password and it's on a PCI-compliant network, it's a secure element.
[13:23] <scottstamp> Not that what you're trying to do is exactly auditable, but it is a security issue.
[13:23] <Kyoshiro`> how is it an issue if I can paste my password instead of typing it ?
[13:24] <scottstamp> Because that password is now being stored in a keychain on your system instead of in your head, where it belongs.
[13:24] <Ben64> Kyoshiro`: doesn't matter, see if #vbox has a way to do what you want, this isn't an ubuntu issue at all
[13:24]  * perlmonkey is connected to Raspi using VNC (first time ever used VNC) and loving it, incredible how well this works in just 1GB ram over wifi even, only marginal performance loss over physically being at Raspi
[13:24] <Kyoshiro`> hmm I see
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> Ben64, not really, it's a lightDM issue/feature request in fact, not vbox
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> yeah scottstamp I see your point
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> I've just arrived but the whole company's using a secure vault for everything
[13:25] <Ben64> you're trying to paste from a host to a guest, thats a vbox issue
[13:25] <Kyoshiro`> and they've been PCI1 for 4 years
[13:26] <Kyoshiro`> Ben64, pasting works after login, it's just lightDM does not allow paste :)
[13:26] <Ben64> then you have your answer i suppose
[13:26] <perlmonkey> Ben64 is Raspbian more Debian-like, than Ubuntu? Ubuntu is an improvement on Debian?
[13:26] <Kyoshiro`> my question was precisely if there was an option to allow that ^^
[13:26] <Ben64> perlmonkey: ubuntu is based on debian
[13:27] <Kyoshiro`> but yeah I suppose it doesn't ;)
[13:27] <Kyoshiro`> anyways, thanks for the insight
[13:27] <scottstamp> Rasp"ian" Deb"ian" - yeah, it's not much like Ubuntu at all, really.
[13:27] <perlmonkey> the name answers my question, silly question eh. RaspBIAN DeBIAN
[13:28] <scottstamp> Ubuntu differentiated itself a few versions back when they ditched init.d
[13:28] <scottstamp> which I still hate. :\
[13:28] <Kyoshiro`> hehe
[13:28] <wafflej0ck> scottstamp: isn't debain going systemd too?
[13:28] <wafflej0ck> debian*
[13:28] <scottstamp> wafflej0ck: probably :(
[13:28] <perlmonkey> I used to run Debian servers
[13:28] <perlmonkey>  in 1997/1998 and Ubuntu was like a beath of fresh air
[13:28] <Kyoshiro`> never figured how to restart samba server with upstart, else than restart nmbd ; restart smbd
[13:29] <perlmonkey> Debian was the best distro but Ubuntu had all the advantages of it and a more user-friendly feel and community
[13:29] <scottstamp> I *know* systemd, that's not my problem, I just haaate it. I have to use it for managing CoreOS services.
[13:29] <Kyoshiro`> yeah debian is going systemd, there is a #debianfork from people who want a debian with sysV
[13:29] <perlmonkey> so migration was easy
[13:30] <perlmonkey> Raspbian is strange little OS, feels like Debian-lite.. it uses the lightdm
[13:30] <scottstamp> perlmonkey: they're both bordering obsolescence for anything but desktop computing imo
[13:31] <Kyoshiro`> ah, I wanted to try it, I'm currently on openelec but XBMC is kinda sluggish
[13:31] <scottstamp> Ubuntu 'cause bloody Canonical keeps deciding they need to be a special little snowflake, and Debian because of the infinitely easier-to-manage options available.
[13:31] <Ben64> !ot
[13:31] <k1l> perlmonkey: #raspbian  for help with that.
[13:32] <scottstamp> Sorry Ben. D: missed the 'Support'
[13:32] <k1l> #debian for debian and systemd support. #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat, lets focus on support for ubuntu in here :)
[13:33] <perlmonkey> scottstamp did you get that?
[13:33] <scottstamp> Get what?
[13:33] <perlmonkey> scottstamp oh I sent you a /notice re Raspbian and nginx/apache2 to avoid being off-top
[13:34] <scottstamp> erm, I don't think /notice works like that, feel free to /msg me though.
[13:34] <perlmonkey> I guess notices don't work in quIM or you have them disabled
[13:34] <perlmonkey> thanks scott
[13:34] <perlmonkey> *gutIM
[13:35] <perlmonkey> I just switched from pigeon, qutIM is not bad
[13:35] <perlmonkey> *pidgin, god what's wrong with me
[13:40] <Guest67440> everyone :)
[13:40] <Guest67440> anyone?
[13:40] <Guest67440> :O
[13:41] <k1l> !ask | Guest67440
[13:41] <amund__> Hi All, need some help on ssh agent forwarding
[13:43] <amund__> I am doing ssh agent forward to one of the remote system and running screen on the remote system, the agent stay alive for some time as long as I am running a process, but after some time, lets say if I disconnect my laptop for some time and connect to the remote server and re-join to the screen session, in ssh-add -l I am not seeing my forwareded agent
[13:44] <Annoyed> Greetings.. General question...I'm currently using a FreeBSD machine for firwalling, time / DNS / file server, general services machine.. almost all configured via configuration files. I intend on migrating to a Ubuntu platform.. and using the same tools, configuring things by hand using config files... Will the GUI get broken or cayse problems with this ?
[13:45] <perlmonkey> Annoyed, no don't see why it should
[13:46] <newbegginer> Hello, I just started using Ubuntu and I tried to install Wine.. but I got this error message: http://pastebin.com/t3TKeY8D
[13:46] <newbegginer> Is this the Ubuntu support channel though?
[13:46] <Annoyed> Last time I tried to go "under" a GUI to configure things, it was Red Hat, and that had a royal kiniption fit.
[13:47] <perlmonkey> newbegginer did you upgrade outside your distro version?
[13:47] <perlmonkey> that can really mess up a system
[13:48] <newbegginer> Where should I check my Distro version?
[13:48] <k1l> newbegginer: "lsb_release -d"
[13:48] <newbegginer> Ubuntu 13.10
[13:49] <newbegginer> I can't update though.
[13:49] <k1l> newbegginer: and for the package see: "apt-cache policy wine"
[13:49] <k1l> newbegginer: that is bad. you need to upgrade to 14.04 asap
[13:49] <perlmonkey> Annoyed: oh yeah, RH can be like that.. but Ubuntu is based on Debian as you know probably, and Debian is more for the terminal/hands-on guys, and Ubuntu inherits that, so you can feel free to go into /etc/init.d services etc and hack away at config files, no issues at all, I do it all the time
[13:49] <newbegginer> Installed: (none)
[13:50] <newbegginer>   Candidate: 1:1.7.18-0ubuntu1~saucy1
[13:50] <newbegginer>   Version table:
[13:50] <newbegginer>      1:1.7.18-0ubuntu1~saucy1 0
[13:50] <newbegginer>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu/ saucy/main amd64 Packages
[13:50] <newbegginer>      1.4.1-0ubuntu7 0
[13:50] <unopaste> newbegginer you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[13:50] <perlmonkey> oh man
[13:50] <k1l> newbegginer: you have and old ubuntu version and a PPA which even makes more mess about it. upgrade to 14.04
[13:50] <perlmonkey> never paste in the channel, that's what pastebins are for
[13:51] <newbegginer> Sorry, my bad.
[13:51] <perlmonkey> s'ok
[13:51] <zebra111> How long do pastes last on http://paste.ubuntu.com?
[13:52] <newbegginer> But I just wanted to see if I could install wine.
[13:52] <newbegginer> My computetrs pretty old and freezes often..
[13:53] <newbegginer> So I want to avoid updating.
[13:53] <perlmonkey> zebra111: "Pastes made to pastebins are usually only saved for a short period of time, usually anywhere from a day to a month." - Ubuntu official wiki
[13:53] <k1l> newbegginer: that is not a reason to not upgrade. you dont get any support and security ficxes anymore.
[13:53] <zebra111> Thanks perlmonkey!
[13:54] <Annoyed> Perimonkey: Thank you
[13:54] <k1l> newbegginer: so if its old see if lubuntu works for you. and stay on a LTS version like 12.04 and 14.04, they got 5 years support
[13:54] <cfhowlett> newbegginer, old computer?  lubuntu/xubuntu LTS
[13:54] <perlmonkey> newbegginer yeah very good advice
[13:55] <newbegginer> Well, my (un)experince with linux would probably break my computer if I switch to lubuntu.
[13:55] <perlmonkey> be sure to update regularly, long periods of not updating and new version releases can badly configured sources can lead to these type of dependency breakages
[13:55] <perlmonkey> or people just editing sources to a newer version and not doing a proper upgrade path
[13:56] <k1l> newbegginer: if you think its better to have security issues a 14year old can crack, you are on the wrong path
[13:56] <newbegginer> How do I update then? (Even if I did, Wine will still not work.)
[13:57] <k1l> newbegginer: "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[13:58] <k1l> newbegginer: how come you seem to know but say you are a beginner and dont know much?
[13:58] <perlmonkey> before you do distro upgrade make sure existing one is fully updated
[13:59] <perlmonkey> else you can run into problems
[13:59] <k1l> perlmonkey: there are no updates anyway anymore
[13:59] <perlmonkey> sudo apt-get update && upgrade
[13:59] <k1l> *for 13.10
[13:59] <perlmonkey> ok
[14:00] <newbegginer> Because I had Ubuntu for months tried to install wine and just tried to install it again. (However I only turned on the computer a few times.)
[14:00] <perlmonkey> sometimes I think its maybe better just to install a fresh install if its a radically newer release, than install new ontop of very old
[14:01] <perlmonkey> unless you have some reason for that eh, the structure of Ubuntu makes it easy to keep /home and /etc and do a fresh install
[14:01] <k1l> newbegginer: you have depency errors. that come from 1) using a ubuntu that is shut down anyway 2) using a PPA
[14:02] <k1l> perlmonkey: let him upgrade
[14:02] <perlmonkey> yeah, its time to install a new updated Ubuntu
[14:02] <perlmonkey> ok but i know from experience an old unsupported Ubuntu upgraded to a very new one with lots of updates since = receipe for problems
[14:03] <k1l> upgrades are automated tested on ubuntu and do work if you did not change too much away from the standard. plenty of PPAs are a common issue with upgrades but dont blame ubuntu for that
[14:03] <k1l> perlmonkey: stop
[14:03] <perlmonkey> at the very least, backup data and be prepared to have to format and do a full fresh install I think
[14:03] <newbegginer> Tell me how to fix the ppa issue first.(Becuse the chat program i'm using is on the Linux computer and I don't want to quit.)
[14:03] <k1l> perlmonkey: its 13.10 to 14.04. no need to make paranoia here. just let him upgrade
[14:03] <k1l> !ppa-purge | newbegginer
[14:04] <perlmonkey> k1l I'm not making paranoia just speaking from experience of 2 decades use and many such situations
[14:05] <k1l> perlmonkey: sorry, you didnt even know raspbian is debian based. ubuntu got automatic testing since some time now.
[14:05] <perlmonkey> you need to be prepared for breakage and a not so smooth upgrade in some cases, i'm not saying this will be one, it may go ok
[14:06] <perlmonkey> k1l why you wanna pick a fight, I dunno, but I'm not gonna indulge you
[14:06] <newbegginer> Which ppa should I delete?
[14:07] <newbegginer> Sorry for sounding like an idiot, I have the linux knowledge of a 3rd grader.
[14:07] <k1l> newbegginer: so you got plenty? please pastebin "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[14:07] <perlmonkey> don't be apologising newbegginer, everyone has to learn and by asking stuff its the best way, don't feel bad asking basic questions
[14:08] <newbegginer> http://pastebin.com/E9tUnjKc
[14:09] <perlmonkey> not everyone is a genius here or pro either, you will get mixed advice and some experienced-based, may be different to text-book-based, the real world is different
[14:10] <k1l> newbegginer: the wine one
[14:10] <perlmonkey> I will stay out of this, as k1l is helping you and knows more than I do clearly
[14:11]  * perlmonkey is using wine tho if you need any help after
[14:11] <tnkhanh> I'm thinking virtual box in Ubuntu is better than Wine
[14:11] <newbegginer> Specific command though?
[14:11] <perlmonkey> I never heard of virtual box, I will have to check that
[14:12] <perlmonkey> I find in wine, most apps work normally as per Windows, but often there's little features that don't work
[14:12] <perlmonkey> why is virtual box better?
[14:12] <k1l> sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa
[14:12] <newbegginer> Thank you.
[14:12] <tnkhanh> perlmonkey: I'm not sure. I feel it runs smoother
[14:12] <tnkhanh> perlmonkey: On my computer, Wine runs very slowly
[14:13] <perlmonkey> cool I will try it, wine can be cranky and prone to lockups eh, I find that a lot too on data intensive apps I use (forex charting)
[14:14] <perlmonkey> if virtual box can let my MT4 client use the simulated speed test slider I would be over the moon, for that I *have to* go to Windows, wine won't do
[14:15] <newbegginer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550826/
[14:15] <newbegginer> Doesn't appear to work..
[14:15] <perlmonkey> :-/
[14:16] <perlmonkey> newbeginner why don't you give the virtual box a try?
[14:16] <k1l> it cant find packages, so there were non installed. see if its still there in the folder. if so remove the files
[14:16] <k1l> perlmonkey: its not helping him now
[14:16] <newbegginer> perlmonkey: This is why I always say sorry when saying something stupid.
[14:16] <perlmonkey> he's too far into this wine stuff?
[14:16] <k1l> he got 2 tasks now: removing that faulty ppa and upgradin to 14.04. dont confuse the user please
[14:17] <tnkhanh> perlmonkey: people say that wine runs faster than virtual box. I feel the opposite lol
[14:17] <perlmonkey> ok
[14:17] <DarkAceZ> how do I replace a program with another one? I want "xterm" to be replaced with "mate-terminal -e"
[14:17] <DarkAceZ> in usr/bin
[14:17] <newbegginer> k1l: Where should I look?
[14:17] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ you can apt-get remove  or make an alias in bashrc
 newbegginer: so you got plenty? please pastebin "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[14:19] <newbegginer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9550845/
[14:19] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ if you want to physically replace an app, use apt-get remove and install, if you want to keep both, but have another app start when you use the old name, you can create an alias in .bashrc file
[14:20] <k1l> newbegginer: ok, "sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu-wine-ppa*"
[14:20]  * perlmonkey needs coffee brb
[14:21] <newbegginer> Okay, now what? The console didn't say anything after the command..
[14:22] <DarkAceZ> perlmonkey: the problem is that somewhere, the default terminal is not set correctly, and when I launch a desktop launcher that has "Terminal=true" in the settings, it launches it with xterm instead of the expected mate-terminal
[14:22] <k1l> see again if they are removed to make sure. if they are gone "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[14:22]  * perlmonkey thinks qutIM is not as good as pidgin (for IRC at least) even though it has a nicer interface
[14:22] <DarkAceZ> either I did it wrong, or aliasing did not help
[14:23] <newbegginer> They are gone now, doing sudo apt-get update.
[14:23] <Chuck_Norris> DarkAceZ: export TERM=mate-terminal
[14:23] <DarkAceZ> Chuck_Norris: didn't help
[14:23] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ did you update the .bashrc file? your alias line should be: alias_name='command to run'  .. after you entered that, type source .bashrc in your /home/user
[14:23] <DarkAceZ> although I had tried TERM="mate-terminal -e" several times already
[14:24] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ: I find it convenient to add aliases to edit and update the .bashrc, like alias-e, alias-u  etc for these commands
[14:25] <perlmonkey> alias-u='source /home/user/.bashrc'
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> alias xterm='mate-terminal -e'
[14:25] <DarkAceZ> that's in my bashrc, now
[14:26] <perlmonkey> ok, and you used source command to update?
[14:26] <DarkAceZ> yep
[14:26] <newbegginer> I guess after doing "sudo do-release-upgrade" I won't be seeing this chat again if it fails and I can't use ubuntu anymore.
[14:26] <newbegginer> But still thanks! Because if it DOES fail I have slightly more Ubuntu knowledge since I first started.
[14:26] <DarkAceZ> the launcher is still launching it with xterm, though
[14:27] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ: strange, be sure your aliases are working, add another simple one to do something
[14:27] <perlmonkey> like list='ls'
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> alias copy='cp'
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> $ copy
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> cp: missing file operand
[14:28] <perlmonkey> that's good, clearly working
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> keep in mind that I'm launching this "launcher" directly from the desktop
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> I don't start it from a terminal
[14:28] <Seveas> DarkAceZ: aliases don't work there.
[14:28] <DarkAceZ> if that matters at all
[14:28] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ ah that's the prob then I think
[14:28] <newbegginer> Goodbye for now I guess. I have to update.
[14:29] <Seveas> aliases only work inside shells that have already been launched (and parsed the .bashrc)
[14:29] <extor> Whats the easiest way to set up a remote logging? I seem to recall it's really l33t to have auth logs and pam logs remotely written. Not sure if it's still fashionable today.
[14:29] <DarkAceZ> yeah, which is why I believe I should be changing the program in /usr/bin to a bash script
[14:29] <DarkAceZ> but I'm not sure what to put in said script
[14:29] <perlmonkey> the alias won't help from the desktop, you need a different approach there
[14:30] <perlmonkey> DarkAceZ yeah that's possible, a symbolic link could do it
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> oh
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> haha
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> why didn't I think of that
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> I use them all the time
[14:30] <DarkAceZ> give me a sec
[14:30] <perlmonkey> ln -s /path/to/new/app  /path/to/old_app_name
[14:30] <Seveas> extor: it is, and it's quite simple with rsyslog or syslog-ng
[14:31] <perlmonkey> sorry my example was a bit wrong, the ln -s is /path/ alias
[14:32] <perlmonkey> do that inside the directory where the old prog resides
[14:32] <perlmonkey> i would mv the old prog first to .bak
[14:33] <vangogh> Hi folks, here is a segment of a script that gives me a headache
[14:33] <vangogh> http://pastebin.com/8tFYKzQS
[14:33] <vangogh> I get two errors:
[14:33] <vangogh> line 15: [[.war!=.war: command not found
[14:33] <vangogh> line 15: 1: command not found
[14:34] <vangogh> why doesn't the first check work and where does 1 come from?
[14:37] <w91316> hello
[14:38] <perlmonkey> Ben64 well my sys won't start X now ith 304 nvidia, NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidiactl (No such device or address)  Fatal server error: no screens found. init: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused.
[14:38] <perlmonkey> :-/
[14:38] <perlmonkey> how do you start xfce4?
[14:39] <w91316> I don't know how to do it
[14:39] <perlmonkey> startx is not a good way to start x?
[14:39] <zebra111> startxfce4 perlmonkey (xfce wiki)
[14:39] <perlmonkey> zebra111 thanks man
[14:39] <Pici> vangogh: #bash would probably be the best place to ask this
[14:40] <k1l> no
[14:40] <Chuck_Norris> perlmonkey: startx /usr/bin/X11/xfce ?
[14:40] <k1l> perlmonkey: start lightdm
[14:40] <k1l> no guys
[14:40] <perlmonkey> thanks k1l, Chuck
[14:41] <k1l> dont use startx on ubuntu. start the *dm which is lightdm.
[14:41] <perlmonkey> still the same /dev/nvidiactl device error
[14:41] <EriC^^> perlmonkey: sudo service lightdm restart
[14:41] <perlmonkey> ok
[14:44] <stianhj> vangogh: #bash
[14:44] <arcsky> i want to send syslogs messages from my linux clients (Ubuntu/Debian) to the syslog-ng server. do i need an syslog-ng client for that?
[14:45] <vangogh> thanks for the suggestion
[14:45] <vangogh> in case anyone has syntax errors, take a look at http://www.shellcheck.net/
[14:50] <ntz> hello
[14:50] <ntz> one little request (I don't have buntu but now solving something around it) .. can any of you show that (presumably) one line from sudoers doing, that sudo in ubu wants user password and NOT root's password ?
[14:51] <synks> Having no luck creating bootable windows usb on ubuntu. Unetbootin always stops at file 512, other tools I tried don't work at all - any help?
[14:51] <ntz> "normal" (and sane) setup is that sudo wants root's password
[14:51] <cfhowlett> !root | ntz
[14:51] <ntz> cfhowlett: reread please ..
[14:51] <ntz> I know what sudo is
[14:52] <ntz> ah .. you're bot and you reacted on the string sudo ... all good then .. no prob
[14:52] <mete_> hi everyone. I have a problem on my laptop (ubuntu 14.04). laptop speakers are working fine but headphones are not working. Can you help me?
[14:53] <EriC^^> ntz: normal sudo doesn't ask for root's password
[14:53] <Seveas> ntz: no you don't know. sudo always asks for the invoking user's password, *not* the root password.
[14:53] <lifeforms> I'd like to automatically start and background a command at boot on 12.04 LTS, is there a recommended way to create an (upstart/init) script to do this nicely?
[14:53] <EriC^^> ntz: you add a person to a group that has access to certain commands, or you can add a user alone
[14:53] <Seveas> and that's not just on Ubuntu, that's upstream sudo and every distro
[14:54] <MoonLove> hello, can someone help me,  no soun in ubuntu
[14:54] <MoonLove> no soun in ubuntu
[14:54] <synks> Alternative to UNetbootin for windows bootable usb? Unetbootin stops after 512 file..
[14:54] <EriC^^> ntz: i think you're talking about su
[14:54] <MoonLove> no sound in ubuntu sorry
[14:54] <Guest90244> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[14:54] <ntz> EriC^^: in ubuntu sudo wants user password .. in all other systems including solaris and whatever wants sudo root's password or the password of the user supposed to run the command you use sudo for
[14:55] <Seveas> ntz: nonsense. sudo never asks for the root password. That's su.
[14:55] <ntz> > sudo /bin/echo hello
[14:55] <ntz> root's password:
[14:56] <ntz> NO, omg .. seems like you ubuntists live in the bubble
[14:56] <ntz> again: only ubuntu implementation of sudo behaves like that
[14:56] <Seveas> nope.
[14:56] <mete_> Guest90244: bash: /home/mete/.config/pulse: Is a directory
[14:56] <Seveas> unless you have an actual Ubuntu problem and not just lying rants about sudo, please leanve.
[14:57] <k1l> ntz: sudo needs the users pw. thats it
[14:57] <cfhowlett> ntz, there are sound reasons for the sudo structure.  don't like?  don't use.  simple
[14:58] <ntz> cfhowlett: I only wanted a respective part of unbuntu sudoers doing that sudo wants user's pwd instead of root pwd
[14:58] <compdoc> there is no root password
[14:58] <Seveas> ntz: that's not in the sudoers file, that's sudos behaviour.
[14:59] <EriC^^> ntz: sudo doesn't ask for root's pass
[14:59] <somsip> ntz: if a user had access to the root password, they could log in as root. So they would not have to use sudo. Which would mean that the protection of using sudo would be completely broken. So you are erroneous in what you are saying
[14:59] <teward> ntz: sudo allows a user, when configured in sudoers with access to use sudo for things, to use their own password as an auth mechanism to gain superuser rights for that command - it asks for the user's password, not root's password, because there is no root password.
[15:00] <Seveas> EriC^^: according to ntz' lies it does on other systems. He's just trolling.
[15:00] <EriC^^> ntz: maybe you're using the same pass and you're mistaken?
[15:03] <madani> hi
[15:03] <madani> anyone help me how to install idm
[15:03] <EriC^^> !info idm
[15:03] <EriC^^> are you talknig about the download manager?
[15:03] <k1l> the download manager thing?
[15:03] <madani> yes.
[15:04] <EriC^^> madani: i don't think there is idm for linux
[15:04] <k1l> why do people need that at all?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> !info 'download manager thing'
[15:04] <Chuck_Norris> madani: use jdownloader
[15:04] <EriC^^> madani: you can use uget with the firefox flashgot add-on
[15:04] <bazhang> !info aria2
[15:04] <k1l> yep, there is no idm for non windows
[15:04] <madani> then how you download any video from youtube?
[15:04] <cfhowlett> madani, yt-downloader
[15:04] <EriC^^> madani: youtube-dl
[15:04] <Seveas> madani: cclive
[15:04] <Chuck_Norris> madani: i do with jdownloader
[15:04] <EriC^^> !info youtube-dl
[15:04] <k1l> madani: with browserplugins, or cli tools, or other tools
[15:04] <bazhang> firefox plugin madani
[15:04] <lifeforms> okay, found a nice upstart script :)
[15:05] <MoonLove> help i cant have sound
[15:05] <madani> ok thanks to all of you
[15:05] <bazhang> welcome
[15:05] <Seveas> MoonLove: did you follow the troubleshooting steps given to you earlier?
[15:07] <MoonLove> yes, my problem is a have a chip  (envy24) without native drivers
[15:08] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, is this a m-audio card?
[15:09] <MoonLove> yes
[15:09] <bazhang> !find envy24
[15:10] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, in a terminal, aplay -l. and pastebin the output
[15:10] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$ aplay -l
[15:10] <MoonLove> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[15:11] <MoonLove> i have dummy output in settings
[15:12] <Chuck_Norris> MoonLove: i found this long time ago, i never tried but... it might help you https://github.com/takaswie/snd-firewire-improve
[15:12] <David--> tyring to format ubuntu 14 and booting from the cd takes me to grub and not the installation disk... any help please?
[15:12] <cfhowlett> David--, how does one format Ubuntu?
[15:13] <Chuck_Norris> oh! sry, BluesKaj_ didn't read ya
[15:13] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, type alsamixer in the terminal, check the name of the chip in the upper left to make sure so we can figure out which driverto use
[15:13] <David--> cfhowlett: thats what im asking you/
[15:14] <MoltenSlag> David-- make sure you boot from the CD
[15:14] <MoonLove> alsamixer: it cant open no dile no folder with this name
[15:14] <cfhowlett> David--, not clear what you attempting.  we don't format ubuntu, we format storage: hdd, usb ...
[15:14] <MoltenSlag> David-- usually it's some buton lime F7 you need to press at the start
[15:14] <David--> Hmm maybe the disk was ejected on the last time at the end
[15:14] <David--> im 200 miles from the machine so never thought of that
[15:15] <MoltenSlag> David-- oh... might have been.
[15:15] <David--> :)
[15:16] <MoonLove> ?
[15:16] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, type alsmixer in the terminal
[15:18] <MoonLove> alsamixer: the mixer can not open no file no folder
[15:20] <MoonLove> ?
[15:20] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, where are you typing alsamixer?
[15:20] <zebra111> apt-get install alsamixer moonlove?
[15:21] <newbegginer> Hello.. I was the guy who asked about installing wine an hour ago.
[15:21] <BluesKaj_> zebra111, normally alsamixer is installed by default
[15:21] <zebra111> oops
[15:21] <madani> can anyone tell me how to read a bar code from scanner in php
[15:21] <madani> ?
[15:21] <newbegginer> The Ubuntu update ran great!
[15:22] <newbegginer> So I want to say thanks to k1l.
[15:22] <tmick> Hi quoexl ，i  am  coming
[15:23] <DarkAceZ> ugh, this is a real mess
[15:23] <MoonLove> in terminal window's command prompt
[15:24] <zebra111> MoonLove run alsamixer | pastebinit
[15:25] <MoonLove> zebrall alsamixer not foun at install
[15:25] <zebra111> oh
[15:25] <zebra111> So it's not installed moonlove? If it isn't, try apt-get install alsamixer (but it should be installed by default)
[15:27] <MoonLove> zebrall it says alsamixer can not be found (after sudo apt-get install alsamixer)
[15:28] <MoonLove> ?
[15:28] <zebra111> try sudo apt-get remove --purge alsa-utils then sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[15:28] <zebra111> http://askubuntu.com/questions/294807/ubuntu-12-04-alsamixer-not-found
[15:28] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[15:30] <MoonLove> the same output no access
[15:30] <MoonLove> no success
[15:30] <MoonLove> sorry :)
[15:31] <zebra111> MoonLove do echo $PATH
[15:31] <MoonLove> i can run alsamixer
[15:31] <zebra111> oh
[15:31] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$ echo $PATH
[15:31] <MoonLove> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[15:32] <MoonLove> i have ubuntu 14.04 lts
[15:32] <zebra111> If it's working now that's good
[15:33] <coredump> so anyone interested in a new job? Chef, rails, redis, devopsy stuff, etc
[15:33] <MoonLove> ?
[15:34] <teward> coredump: i don't think that's on topic for the channe.
[15:34] <k1l_> !ot | coredump
[15:34] <coredump> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:34] <coredump> erm
[15:34] <grayshade> hello. i have some nfs shares in /etc/fstab. how can i get them to mount at boot, but after the network starts?
[15:34] <RahulAN> Mayer, hii
[15:40] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, so what does alsamixer show as chip in upper left?
[15:40] <MoonLove> alsamixer do not run
[15:40] <MoonLove> no file no folder
[15:40] <nwe> hello, I got problem to mount glusterfs I have to server with glusterfsd with replication between them.. but when I trying to mount it I get Mount failed I running command mount -t glusterfs <ip>:/volume-name /mount/point
[15:41] <ikonia> nwe: so walk it through, what have you done so far to debug it ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, did you install alsa-base and alsa-utils?
[15:41] <MoonLove> yes !
[15:43] <BluesKaj_> hmm, maybe a reboot ?
[15:44] <MoonLove> i have make a reboot but it remains the same
[15:44] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[15:45] <Gothicspeaker> Why does it have to be a pain to install a simple Flash player at the newest Ubuntu?
[15:45] <Gothicspeaker> I 'm already spending an hour on it.
[15:46] <ikonia> Gothicspeaker: because flash has been dropped from linux by adobe
[15:46] <MoonLove> i have open it with        alsamixergui
[15:46] <Gothicspeaker> ikonia: But there is an adobe flash player 11 for linux
[15:46] <MoonLove> i dont no :)
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> Gothicspeaker, it also depends which browser you use
[15:46] <ikonia> Gothicspeaker: very old version
[15:46] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, then instyall it
[15:47] <Gothicspeaker> alsamixergui?
[15:48] <MoonLove> yes
[15:49] <qwweer_> Hej I just tried to install my fingerprint sensor but somehow the it says open failed. Now I cannt run sudo to remove me from the fingerprint group.
[15:49] <MoonLove> i have installed ubuntu restricted extras and i can launch alsamixer with the command alsamixergui
[15:49] <Gothicspeaker> qwweer_: Lol
[15:49] <qwweer_> Yea huge lol
[15:49] <qwweer_> sadly
[15:50] <Gothicspeaker> Why do you put your fingerprint online in the first place?
[15:50] <qwweer_> Because I wanted to use it
[15:50] <MoonLove> ?
[15:50] <Gothicspeaker> For a password?
[15:50] <qwweer_> Yea
[15:51] <harushimo> for ubuntu 12.04, I would like to python 3.4.2. I was going to install it from the source
[15:51] <qwweer_> Do you think it would work if i disable
[15:51] <qwweer_> it over bios
[15:51] <qwweer_> and then boot without finger print sensor
[15:51] <harushimo> I want to get python 3.4.2. I was going to install it from the source
[15:52] <harushimo> they are some libraries that I need to use in that version
[15:52] <Pici> harushimo: I'd go for the deadsnakes ppa before doing that.
[15:52] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, if you someone's attention use their nick instead of a question mark
[15:52] <harushimo> what is the deadsnakes ppa?
[15:52] <harushimo> I never heard of it
[15:52] <Gothicspeaker> I will be away now
[15:52] <Gothicspeaker> bye
[15:52] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, now look in upper left of alsmixer for the chip in use
[15:52] <Pici> harushimo: https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes?field.series_filter=precise
[15:53] <Pici> harushimo: Still technically unsupported by Ubuntu, but much cleaner than installing it yourself from source. Plus its pretty well known.
[15:55] <harushimo> I understand when you go to newer OS. We can get everything.  From compilers, Is it not a good idea install from source?
[15:55] <harushimo> i.e.python, ruby..etc
[15:55] <MoonLove> BlueKaj_ it say pulseaudio in top of left
[15:55] <MoonLove> BluesKaj_ it say pulseaudio in top of left
[15:56] <Pici> harushimo: There are additional patches that go into packages that make them more suited to the release you're running on. Installing from source doesn't necessarily provide those.
[15:56] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok try your audio now
[15:56] <qwweer> So meh didnt worked
[15:56] <qwweer> any other idea
[15:56] <qwweer> it also wants to read the finger print
[15:56] <MoonLove> BluesKaj Chip: PulseAudio
[15:56] <qwweer> in terminal mode
[15:57] <harushimo> Just for my education, I'm asking this question: what type of additional patches are we talking about?
[15:57] <MoonLove> BluesKaj          no sound
[15:57] <BluesKaj_> pulseaudio is a sound server not a chip
[15:58] <MoonLove> BluesKaj          the chip is Envy24
[15:58] <MoonLove> BluesKaj         but it is not show at that
[15:59] <Rhos> To view the manual page for a topic the correct command is:
[15:59] <Rhos> for terminal what would the awnser be?
[15:59] <Rhos> I am trying to figure this out
[15:59] <Rhos> To view the manual page for a topic the correct command is:\
[16:00] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: man?
[16:00] <k1l_> man programname
[16:00] <k1l_> Rhos: and next time dont let us do your homework
[16:00] <Pici> apropos something
[16:00] <Rhos> The command manual ls will provide detailed information about how the ls command functions. True or False?
[16:00] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: is it some quiz?
[16:00] <Rhos> Some online quiz I studied for
[16:00] <k1l_> Rhos: homework into #ubuntu-offtopic please
[16:00] <Rhos> but all the awnser
[16:01] <Rhos> 's are different from what I studied
[16:01] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: you can google all of it easily
[16:01] <Rhos> So I am stuck
[16:01] <Pici> I wouldn't trust #ubuntu-offtopic with homework questions
[16:01] <Rhos> I am a extremely new user.
[16:01] <Rhos> I am not sure what I'd be looking for
[16:01] <Rhos> What would you guys say? True or false?
[16:01] <MoltenSlag> Rhos: you can get basics here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[16:02] <RileyC> We're having a IO  issue that we're not seeing on Ubuntu 10.0.4, but we are on Ubunto 12 and 14.
[16:03] <RileyC> Did something in the scheduler change after Ubuntu 10.0.4?
[16:03] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok in the terminal , sudo modprobe snd_ice1712
[16:04] <Rhos_> Which of the man page sections will provide an example of how the command is executed?
[16:04] <Rhos_> ???
[16:04] <k1l_> Rhos_: come on. you can look that up on your own
[16:05] <k1l_> Rhos_: "man man" and you can answer that
[16:05] <Rhos_> There is too much text that isn't what I am looking for on that website
[16:05] <Rhos_> I don't even know what I am reading or where to start for the awnser.
[16:05] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$ sudo modprobe snd_ice1712
[16:05] <MoonLove> [sudo] password for compyuser:
[16:05] <MoonLove> compyuser@compy1:~$
[16:05] <mete_> hey. Ubuntu 14.04 with no sound on headphones. Tried troubleshooting document but no solution. http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=4e99181cef61825ca1cbbce949f8bdfe8d07d53e
[16:05] <k1l_> Rhos_: its to make sure you actually learn something. if we just tell you the answers you dont learn anything
[16:05] <ssalenik> Rhos_: why don't you just try it? open up a terminal and try some of the commands?
[16:06] <Rhos_> I have it opened in VM ware.
[16:06] <k1l_> MoonLove: no message means no error
[16:06] <BluesKaj_> MoonLove, ok  reboot ..no output means the driver loaded properly
[16:06] <ssalenik> Rhos_: ok, well, try running the man command on something and see which page gives you an example
[16:07] <echo-kilo-sierra> Hello. Neither xev nor xbindkeys -k is detecting the power button on my laptop (macbookpro11,2) -- anyone know how to prevent this button from doing anything?
[16:07] <Rhos_> I tried googling it
[16:07] <Lucax> is there other good basic linux channels on irc that doesnt require invite, #linux require invite it seems