[00:04] <JohnDoe2> oddly enough no freezes since I put debian 11 on it. Must be some driver then but I can't help pin it down since there's nothing logged :(
[00:04] <ravage> no shame in running debian if it works
[00:05] <JohnDoe2> 👍
[02:07] <bn_work> is there a way to apt install php7 on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS?
[02:09] <rbox> you can install whats in the repos
[02:09] <rbox> if its not in the repos then you have to compile it
[02:10] <sarnold> you could install lxd, then install a focal instance, and then run php7.4 in that?
[02:10] <bn_work> rbox:  is it not in the repos for 22.04 LTS?  I'm not finding it... but maybe I'm doing something wrong :|
[02:11] <rbox> well its not hiding...
[02:11] <sarnold> well, it kind of is annoying to figure out which versions are supported where
[02:11] <bn_work> or does someone publish a forward ported php7 ppa for 22.04?
[02:11] <sarnold> I use a local archive mirror to figure out which versions of php we ship, and then use a security-team specific tool to figure out which releases ship those packages
[02:12] <sarnold> it's possible ondrej does, but he might only bring newer packages to old releases, not old packages to new releases
[02:14] <rbox> bn_work: you mean backward port? no one sane is going to make old buggy vulernable packages for new dists
[02:15] <bn_work> rbox: php7 isn't that old and not everything is compatible with 8
[02:15] <bn_work> yet
[02:15] <bn_work> sarnold: yeah, looks like his repo might help, thanks
[02:16] <rbox> then switch to 20.04
[02:23] <bn_work> sarnold: hmm, ok found https://askubuntu.com/a/1455665 and added his PPAs but don't even see php7 when I do `apt list --all-versions php`?
[02:24] <bn_work> all I get is  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XzRzEn4e/apt%20list%20--all-versions%20php.log
[02:27] <Rexodus>  Good morning. Ik have a RAID5 with BTRFS. The next picture tells what my problem is. What went wrong, I dunno. Prolly something with powerloss. The question: How do I fix this? https://ibb.co/BCpjCq7
[02:28] <sarnold> bn_work: hmm, looking through the web interface it looks like there ought to be *something* for you .. https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php/+packages?field.name_filter=php7&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[02:28] <sarnold> Rexodus: check dmesg, maybe there's some details in there about what's gone wrong?
[02:28] <arraybolt3> Rexodus: Oh dear. You're using BTRFS on top of mdadm RAID5 or similar, not BTRFS RAID5, I hope?
[02:29] <Rexodus> Yes! There is. dmesg is full of lines with mismatches.
[02:30] <Rexodus> One moment.
[02:30] <Rexodus> Uploading new picture
[02:32] <sarnold> BedMan: any chance you can fix your connectin?
[02:33] <bn_work> sarnold: ah, need to specify php7.4 in the command, I guess I was expecting `php` to stem out
[02:33] <bn_work> thanks
[02:33] <Rexodus> After I did a poging to repair https://ibb.co/ZHkFcJS
[02:33] <sarnold> bn_work: aha! :) yay
[02:34] <mybalzitch> that sucks Rexodus :(
[02:34] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: I'm not sure what you say
[02:34] <sarnold> Rexodus: yikes. I'm no btrfs expert but (a) I've heard their raid5 code is garbage (b) these messages sure look like "recover with backups" to me
[02:34] <arraybolt3> Rexodus: Nevermind, you're using mdadm, so that's good.
[02:35] <arraybolt3> sarnold: He's using BTRFS on top of an mdadm RAID5, so I think he *might* (big might) be able to troubleshoot the underlying RAID array.
[02:35] <Rexodus> Ok. So I made a big design mistake?
[02:35] <sarnold> arraybolt3: are you *sure*?
[02:35] <arraybolt3> Rexodus: Can you check the status of the array via mdadm>
[02:35] <arraybolt3> sarnold: Well it's accessing /dev/md1 so yeah pretty sure.
[02:36] <sarnold> arraybolt3: mmmmmm
[02:36] <sarnold> arraybolt3: okay i'm more hopeful now :)
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Rexodus: Not necessarily. You might have had two disks fail or get corrupted though.
[02:36] <arraybolt3> Or maybe there's a command to fix things, I dunno.
[02:36] <arraybolt3> I would recommend backing up everything that's still readable before trying to recover though.
[02:37] <Rexodus> It's an array out a Astor AS6604 which I imported in Proxmox with turnkey FileServer.
[02:37] <arraybolt3> /o\
[02:37] <arraybolt3> That sounds complex.
[02:37] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: That was what I was hoping for to get here
[02:37] <mybalzitch> what does cat /proc/mdstat stay
[02:38]  * ravage wonders where Ubuntu is involved
[02:38] <arraybolt3> ravage: Probably an Ubuntu VM inside Proxmox?
[02:38] <ravage> it says debian
[02:38] <arraybolt3> Though I'm not sure what "turnkey FileServer" is.
[02:38] <mybalzitch> turnkey linux?
[02:38] <arraybolt3> ravage: Two different machines, I think.
[02:38] <arraybolt3> The one with the failures says "root@fileserver".
[02:39] <ravage> proxmox is debian too. not sure what that fileserver uses
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Maybe he booted it from a Debian ISO. Though, I guess we could just ask the question...
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Rexodus: Is this an Ubuntu machine or VM that has the disk failures?
[02:39] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: turnkey is making LXC containers
[02:39] <arraybolt3> Turnkey is making *unofficial* LXC containers most likely.
[02:39] <arraybolt3> They may have customized things in such a way where advice we give could end up being dangerous, depending on how they have things customized.
[02:40] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: no. It is debian Bullseye. Also the same as Ubuntu in this subject.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> Not necessarily.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> Debian != Ubuntu, and differences in design *could* lead to catastrophe if one of us makes an Ubuntu-based recommendation that doesn't work there.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> This is one of the central reasons we don't support anything other than *official* Ubuntu installations here.
[02:41] <ravage> !debian | Rexodus
[02:41] <Rexodus> I don't really mind at this point. Been bussy with this for days now.
[02:42] <ravage> there is also ##proxmox
[02:42] <Rexodus> If I lose everything, so be it.
[02:42] <Rexodus> Yes. But proxmox is not relevant at this moment.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> I think mdadm is supposed to be transparent if a disk dies or is corrupted?
[02:42] <Rexodus> The rest of the array is working fine.
[02:43] <Rexodus> Exept for those 3 directories.
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Rexodus: Does this help at all? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1405117/problem-dealing-with-corrupt-file-and-mdadm
[02:44] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: my knowledge is not sufficiant. And I'm googling for 2 days now. Pretty desperado. That's why I'm heren now.
[02:44] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: check
[02:44] <arraybolt3> There's a comment that might help.
[02:57] <Rexodus> arraybolt3: I see I've tried this before. I count my losses and place one of my backups back. So I restart the whole project. What should I do? EXT4 on RAID5? What is your advice?
[02:58] <Rexodus> Or anyone with good ideas, for that matter...
[02:59] <ravage> ZFS works great for storage in Ubuntu
[02:59] <ravage> Proxmox has great support for it too
[02:59] <ravage> So I would stick to proxmox as tbe storage Provider
[02:59] <ravage> And not put any drives directly into VMs
[02:59] <sarnold> I'm a big fan of zfs myself
[03:00] <Rexodus> So, not linking the disks one by one but the array?
[03:00] <ravage> I have no idea what your use case is
[03:01] <Rexodus> Replacing the AS6604T firmare
[03:01] <Rexodus> It's garbage imho.
[03:04] <Rexodus> Anyways, thanks for thinking with me.
[03:12] <Fossil> https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/ is down?
[03:13] <ravage> https://status.canonical.com/
[03:14] <toddc> Rexodus: assuming promox ZFS is built in but I only use raid 1 and had luck swapping drives with no other failures in many years many hosts
[03:15] <sarnold> Fossil: I think I heard one of the machines there was getting some maintenance
[03:15] <Fossil> sarnold ok. bad timing. Was just working on a Docker image :P
[03:16] <sarnold> Fossil: ugh :(
[03:16] <toddc> Fossil: https://status.canonical.com/
[03:16] <sarnold> oh hey how about that :)
[03:16] <Fossil> toddc cheers
[03:18] <Rexodus> toddc: I had several powerfailures.  拜登是美国最后一位白人总统。
[07:42] <oerheks> Alexey_, this is ubuntu support, move that to #politics or something
[07:42] <oerheks> !ot
[07:43] <retrosenator> can someone help me get rid of update notifier?
[07:43] <retrosenator> it pops up every day
[07:43] <oerheks> so, update?
[07:43] <retrosenator> i dont want to update: ever
[07:44] <retrosenator> i will get a new computer when i update
[07:44] <retrosenator> and even if I do update
[07:44] <retrosenator> it will want to update again the next day
[07:44] <oerheks> or go into settings > notifications > do not disturb
[07:44] <retrosenator> ty
[07:44] <retrosenator> im on lxqx
[07:45] <retrosenator> sorry lxqt
[07:45] <retrosenator> i cant find it
[07:45] <retrosenator> is there a command I can run or a file I can edit?
[07:46] <oerheks> oh, lubuntu has that too
[07:46] <oerheks> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.6/desktop_notifications.html
[07:46] <oerheks> lxqt-config-configurationd
[07:47] <retrosenator> lxqt-config-configurationd: command not found
[07:47] <oerheks> then i don' t know, join #lubuntu ?
[07:47] <retrosenator> oh i have something ele
[07:48] <retrosenator> lxqt-config-notificationd   works but doesnt help me
[07:52] <retrosenator> there it goes again "update notifier"
[07:52] <retrosenator> i want to delete the update notifier
[07:52] <retrosenator> sudo rm /usr/lib/lubuntu-update-notifier/lubuntu-notifier.py
[07:52] <retrosenator> ?
[07:52] <retrosenator> is this the solution to my problem
[07:55] <M-Ira[m]> you probably  want to run update-manager and look at the configs.
[07:55] <M-Ira[m]> but not updating anything may not be smart security-wise. you want security updates at the very least.
[07:55] <retrosenator> dont worry i will get a new computer soon enough
[07:55] <retrosenator> I can update then
[07:55] <retrosenator> not every 20 minutes until then  thankfully
[07:56] <retrosenator> now that i deleted the script :)
[08:01] <nrb> hello, i have a bug on 22.04 and 22.10 (20.04 kernel as well), that whenever I type (console, firefox, whatever), the characters might disappear and reappear when i'm typing.
[08:02] <nrb> on 20.04 the bug occurs on 5.14 oem, i downgraded to 5.4 oracle and the bug disappeared. device is thinkpad p1 gen 4, any ideas?
[08:44] <Agenomoto> Hi
[08:45] <Agenomoto> My system suddenly got into readyonly mode. The filesystem I mean. How can I debug and know what caused it? I cannot reboot
[08:45] <EriC^^> Agenomoto: anything in 'sudo dmesg'
[08:45] <EriC^^> ?
[08:46] <Agenomoto> EriC^^ checking sir
[08:46] <Agenomoto> Currently I am not in that os. I am using live cd.
[08:46] <Agenomoto> So I think dmesg won't give that detail. In that case, what should I do?
[08:59] <EriC^^> Agenomoto: you could mount the root fs and see what's in /mnt/var/log/syslog
[09:01] <Agenomoto> ok
[09:02] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[09:04] <Agenomoto> EriC^^ https://termbin.com/bmdwb
[09:04] <Agenomoto> oerheks ok
[09:06] <EriC^^> Agenomoto: dont see anything there
[09:07] <EriC^^> Agenomoto: sda went into read-only?
[09:07] <iomari891> Greetings, anyone have an elegant way of being alerted when a server on my network comes online?
[09:07] <Agenomoto> EriC^^ no, the nvme1p1
[09:09] <oerheks> Agenomoto, update your bios. https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-x570-plus/helpdesk_bios/?model2Name=TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS
[09:09] <oerheks> 4408  2022/11/25
[09:14] <Agenomoto> oerheks ok, but that isn't causing it . is it?
[09:14] <oerheks> i guess not, but just for your information
[09:17] <oerheks> Agenomoto, so you are using ZFS?
[09:21] <Agenomoto> btrfs
[09:21] <Agenomoto> I do plan to use zfs though
[09:24] <Agenomoto>  sudo btrfs check --readonly /dev/vgxubuntu/root
[09:24] <Agenomoto> Opening filesystem to check...
[09:24] <Agenomoto> ERROR: cannot open device '/dev/vgxubuntu/root': Device or resource busy
[09:24] <Agenomoto> ERROR: cannot open file system
[09:32] <Agenomoto> looks like drive is ok https://pastebin.mozilla.org/cG3b1JNj
[09:37] <Agenomoto> ok rebooting
[10:18] <Agenomoto> How to update firmware for ssd samsung as the magician software is not supported on linux?
[10:24] <oerheks> on gnome, softwarecenter got this covered https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/upgrade-update-samsung-ssd-firmware/
[10:24] <oerheks> your lubuntu might do it via commandline?
[10:24] <oerheks> also, crossposting is sad
[10:24] <ravage> command line is described in the same article
[10:25] <oerheks> jups
[10:25] <Agenomoto> oerheks thanks;  was in  panic
[10:25] <oerheks> for your bios, i am not sure ubuntu can do that.
[10:26] <ravage> i would always do that via usb or the way your motherboard manual describes it
[10:26] <Alexey_> #chat
[10:26] <oerheks> if you follow that commandline method, it might pop up
[10:30] <oerheks> good luck with advise in #linux
[10:34] <Dr_Coke> Anyone know why ChatGPT doesn't come back with as detailed answer on linux as macos
[10:35] <ravage> linux users dont need detailed answers
[10:35] <oerheks> Dr_Coke, chatGPT is stupid?
[10:35] <ravage> it is a smart AI
[10:35] <Dr_Coke> oerheks, lol
[10:36] <Dr_Coke> ravage surely there's more to it then that
[10:36] <oerheks> i would ask the bing version
[10:36] <ravage> also cross post + offtopic
[10:36] <ravage> so carry on
[10:38] <M-Ira[m]> All AI are stupid, by definition...
[10:42] <Agenomoto> rebooting
[11:20] <Agenomoto> How can I change uuid of a drive? This has nothing to do with /etc/fstab.
[11:21] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1250224/how-to-change-partuuid
[11:22] <oerheks> after that, edit fstab, so it has something to do with fstab
[11:25] <Agenomoto> checking
[11:27] <Agenomoto> sudo gdisk /dev/nvme0n1p3 -> GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.8 Partition table scan:  MBR: not present  BSD: not present  APM: not present  GPT: not present Creating new GPT entries in memory.
[11:27] <Agenomoto> that drive is a dd clone of OS drive.
[11:28] <Agenomoto> oerheks I upgraded bios fw
[11:28] <Agenomoto> and drive fw
[11:29] <Agenomoto> tomreyn what am I supposed to do here/
[11:30] <tomreyn> Agenomoto: i don't know what you're meaning to do there. i tried to explain how you can update partition UUIDs
[11:30] <Agenomoto> c: says no partitions
[11:30] <tomreyn> what is "c:"?
[11:31] <Agenomoto> Command (? for help): x                                       # enter x to change to experts menu
[11:31] <Agenomoto> Expert command (? for help): c                                # enter c to change PARTUUID
[11:32] <tomreyn> Agenomoto: you chose a partition as a target device for gdisk
[11:32] <tomreyn> you should instead choose a storage device
[11:32] <tomreyn> such as /dev/nvme0n1
[11:33] <Agenomoto> oh done
[11:33] <Agenomoto> thanks :)
[11:35] <Alexey_> 🐧🔫
[11:36] <Alexey_> ХэндэКох!
[12:47] <Guest50> I created an Ubuntu instance on AWS and installed Wireguard on it. I want to ping another instance on AWS with a private IP that is in the same subnet. (This instance is not a wireguard client.) The error I received is:" Destination Host Unreachable Ping: sendmsg: Required key not available." May I ask for any hints? How can I resolve it?
[13:04] <tomreyn> Guest50: if you're trying to send traffic through the wireguard VPN, both systems will need to be running wireguard
[13:08] <tomreyn> if those are systems on different VPCs, just using the same private subnet won't help - they'll have no way of communicating with each other, won't automatically join the same subnet, just due to they're both on ip addresses on a sbunet with the same address range. those are still separate subnets then.
[13:08] <tomreyn> but that's more an #AWS / #wireguard / #networking question really, i guess
[14:15] <Galam> any Linux book that is recommended for beginners?
[14:27] <laurus> Hi, I use MATE, and I'm wondering if anyone could recommend a web browser that respects the MATE theme in use? My main issue is that I want the scrollbars to look like they do on the other GTK applications I use.
[14:27] <laurus> (I don't care if it has almost no functionality, as long as it can read HTML pages with CSS it's fine.)
[14:30] <enyc> laurus: hrrm  epiphany-browser  maybe?   What is going on with ''themes'' anyhow/
[14:31] <laurus> enyc: Unfortunately Epiphany browser ignores the themes, it's one of those weird GNOME-centric applications with the giant titlebars
[14:31] <enyc> thinking.. MATE was Gnome-2 GTK-2 etc originally
[14:31] <laurus> The themes I'm talking about are things like this: https://github.com/jpfleury/clearlooks-phenix
[14:31] <enyc> wondering how that has changed, since.
[14:32] <laurus> The one I'm using is this: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/creating-traditionalok-color-variants/25939
[14:32] <laurus> (TraditionalOK)
[14:33] <enyc> fun ;o
[14:33] <laurus> Well, they give a traditional interface, in particular, the nice clickable scrollbars.
[14:33] <laurus> (with the buttons at the top and bottom as well)
[14:35] <enyc> laurus: poteniotlaly one of:  netsurf-gtk surf palemoon
[14:36] <laurus> I have used Pale Moon before, maybe I'll go with that since it looks like Netsurf hasn't been updated in two years.
[14:37] <laurus> Thanks for these recs!
[14:47] <hwpplayer1> hi people !
[14:48] <oerheks> hi hwpplayer1
[14:48] <hwpplayer1> How it is going on oerheks
[14:49] <oerheks> fine, how are you doing?
[14:50] <hwpplayer1> Thanks I feel good too oerheks
[14:50] <hwpplayer1> Are you a programmer oerheks ?
[14:52] <oerheks> a little, i do more support here.
[14:53] <hwpplayer1> Did you saig Ubuntu code of conduct oerheks ?
[14:53] <hwpplayer1> *Sign
[14:54] <oerheks> yes; https://launchpad.net/~oerheks
[14:54] <leftyfb> hwpplayer1: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel is for support issues.
[14:54] <oerheks> need any help with that?
[14:54] <hwpplayer1> Okay thanks
[15:16] <bancroft> I just got a notice that apt-key is deprecated except for apt-key del. How can I get the equivalent of `apt-key adv --refresh-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com`?
[15:30] <i6869xp97pl> hi
[15:31] <tomreyn> bancroft: good question, actually. i guess the 'right' approach would be either already having the current keys (via the keyring package) or manually downloading it from a trusted location via https
[15:31] <tomreyn> bancroft: maybe try #ubuntu-security, too, since they may have a better answer
[15:31] <i6869xp97pl> anyone online?
[15:32] <bancroft> Thank you tomreyn
[15:32] <tomreyn> i6869xp97pl: hi, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:32] <i6869xp97pl> no
[15:32] <tomreyn> i6869xp97pl: okay, please note this very channel is for this purpose only.
[15:33] <i6869xp97pl> ok, misclick, wrong channel
[15:33] <tomreyn> bancroft: note that you *can* download updated copies of keys you already have off https://keyserver.ubuntu.com - specifying them via their fingerprint
[15:34] <tomreyn> (so you can be sure you're downloading the right key) and place them in /usr/share/keyrings/
[15:36] <tomreyn> (i just don't know whether that would be the *recommended* approach for your scenario)
[15:36] <bancroft> I don't know either, but I asked in security so we'll see I supose
[15:36] <tomreyn> very well
[15:41] <bryan> good morning everyone
[15:57] <elias_a> Good evening.
[16:59] <GREGBBFRHH> test
[16:59] <leftyfb> GREGBBFRHH: test failed
[17:00] <GREGBBFRHH> bonjour, quelqu'un a t il déjà utilisé kangas  ?
[17:00] <GREGBBFRHH> c un module python
[17:01] <leftyfb> !fr | GREGBBFRHH
[17:02] <GREGBBFRHH>  Hi, someonehas already installed kangas ?
[17:02] <jhutchins> GREGBBFRHH: Surely someone has.
[17:03] <leftyfb> GREGBBFRHH: kangas is not an officially support package. You'll have to contact the vendor for support
[17:10] <jluc> hello
[19:41] <hans_> > i   python3-software-properties Recommends unattended-upgrades
[19:41] <hans_> why? python3 is completely unrelated to unattended-upgrades x.x
[19:41] <hans_> (not the other way around tho)
[19:47] <Habbie> python3-software-properties is not python3, it just happens to be written in python 3
[20:44] <unixbsd> is there a ubuntu aarch64?
[20:45] <unixbsd> arm64 only? can we find aarch64?
[20:47] <oerheks> yes
[20:47] <unixbsd> i dont want arm64, but I need AARCH64. is there a rootfs?
[20:48] <oerheks> ARMv8/AArch64  = arm64 iso ?
[20:49] <ravage> they are the same thing nowadays
[20:49] <EriC^^> same thing unixbsd
[20:50] <unixbsd> arm64 is not aarch64 ~
[20:50] <EriC^^> the ubuntu link for aarch64 actually is arm64.iso
[20:50] <oerheks> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/22.04/release/
[20:50] <unixbsd> yeah but arm64 and aarch64 are different assembly code
[20:50] <oerheks> see server install image
[20:51] <oerheks> no, you want the arm64
[20:51] <unixbsd> look https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/461179/what-is-the-difference-between-different-implemetation-of-arm64-aarch64-for-linu
[20:54] <oerheks> you look .. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/683360/why-does-hostnamectl-return-arm64-but-uname-returns-aarch64-ubuntu-20-04-2-on
[20:54] <oerheks> good luck!
[20:54] <EriC^^> unixbsd: in your link the answer says "So aarch64 and arm64 refer to the same thing."
[20:55] <ravage> to answer your question about a simple rootfs: sudo debootstrap --arch=arm64 --foreign jammy jammy
[20:56] <ravage> (if you are not on arm64 when running debootstrap. if you are you can remove --foreign)
[21:59] <lemur> hello
[21:59] <lemur> just tring for the first time
[22:00] <lemur> asdsadasdasdasdsad
[22:02] <itsagundamd> What's up y'all?
[22:13] <Sm1982> does anyone know about apache rewrite rules to strip query strings?
[22:14] <ravage> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3457022/mod-rewrite-remove-query-string-from-url
[22:15] <noxville> Hi there, is there a recommended guide/path to install  KDE Plasma 5 on Ubuntu (as a secondary desktop environment)?
[22:17] <jhutchins> noxville: Which release of Ubuntu?
[22:17] <noxville> 22.10, sorry
[22:17] <jhutchins> !kubuntu
[22:17] <Sm1982> ravage thanks I am trying on this URL https://domain.com/news-and-events/news/?id=/nodle/ to remove the ?id= part so it's just https://aag.ventures/news-and-events/news/nodle/
[22:17] <jhutchins> !kde
[22:17] <Sm1982> anyway, will look at that link thanks
[22:18] <noxville> Alrighty, cheers @jhut
[22:20] <jhutchins> I really liked KDE 3.5.
[22:39] <transhumanist> so brand new install of LAMP on ubuntu , several tries purging and reinstalling , seems to have an issue creating the mysql /var/run/mysqld
[22:40] <webchat39> HI!
[22:41] <webchat39> i need help in ubuntu pro
[22:41] <webchat39> -_- +
[22:44] <transhumanist> mysql:x:132:142:MySQL Server,,,:/nonexistent:/bin/false   mysql:x:142:  space is a minimal 10 gig for all items, no process found for mysql and it starts up Active green accrding to systemctl
[22:49] <transhumanist> nm
[22:51] <fengshaun_> how do I install qt5 development headers? libqt5{core,dbus,gui,...} are all installed, yet dpkg -L doesn't show any of the header files


[14:35] <Patero-ng> who like to play a game of zsnes?
[18:50] <Guest83727> I am having trouble recording with audacity
[19:06] <peepsalot> can someone recommend a good synth program?
[19:07] <holstein> peepsalot: for what? software synthesis? sequencing? sampling?
[19:08] <peepsalot> for playing with generating waveforms, pacthing modules together, etc.
[19:09] <holstein> well, JACK patches whatever you want to patch with whatever else.. hardware or software
[19:09] <holstein> xsynth or whysynth might be more what you are looking for
[19:09] <peepsalot> like this, but in software http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AyxvcOP2-ho#!
[19:10] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/2010/10/linux-music-tutorial-seq24-part-1/
[19:10] <holstein> ^^ that is from a friend [las] who hangs in #opensourcemusicians
[19:11] <holstein> i would be able to do that with a sequencer and tools linked in JACK
[19:11] <holstein> is there an application you can open that is just that? im not sure
[19:11] <holstein> can you emulate that? sure
[19:12] <holstein> i used to do something like that with rubberduck on windows... its free of charge and i tested it in wine on linux
[19:12] <holstein> you might be looking more for a tracker
[19:15] <peepsalot> i want something that is closest experience to using a hardware synth
[19:15] <holstein> peepsalot: i would then get the hardware synth you want
[19:15] <peepsalot> those are expensive :-P
[19:16] <holstein> peepsalot: also, all the code for the stuff in the repos is open, so if you or anyone you know want to change the look/feel of them, you are welcome and encouraged
[19:16] <holstein> otherwise, open the package manager of your choice and search "sythesiser" and begin trying out software
[19:16] <peepsalot> ok, i was just curious if people in here had a favorite one they would recommend
[19:17] <holstein> or, try some of the resources i linked.. or find my friend [lsd] who will hsare with you
[19:17] <holstein> peepsalot: favorite is a matter of opinion
[19:17] <holstein> seq24 is 'popular'
[19:17] <holstein> also ardour3 is supporting midi, so lots of folkes are trying that
[19:18] <holstein> peepsalot: there is a reason why those units are so expensive.. there are teams of staffed employees making sure the end user experience is well thought out and tailored for a specific workflow
[19:19] <holstein> can you emulate that device? sure.. but it likely wont be with one piece of software, and the workflow will be different
[19:19] <holstein> i would /join #opensourcemusicians and ask my friend who works with software like that on a daily basis
[19:20] <holstein> he will be albe to share with you more facts and relevant opinions
[19:21] <holstein> http://pneuman.bandcamp.com/
[19:22] <peepsalot> hehe, KSP inspired music
[21:14] <wip> hi all! i build a custom case for my ubuntu studio setup: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1455235/puredataBoxTop.png
[21:14] <wip> but right now, i am getting a lots of noises out of my firepod 1010 :(
[21:15] <wip> high pitch noise and when moving windows on the screen i also get some noise....
[21:15] <wip> when using headphone there's no noise at all?!
[21:16] <holstein> i would try ground lifting.. i have a noise reducing power supply
[21:16] <holstein> could have a bad component causing issues
[21:17] <holstein> you can unplug it from the computer, see that it is still making the noises, then you'll no its hardware and you can either deal with it, or take it to an electonics repair place, or talk to presonus
[21:19] <holstein> what would i do? see if it goes "to tape" and just deal with it
[21:19] <wip> "to tape" ?
[21:20] <holstein> wip: i put it in quotes becuase its a hard drive
[21:20] <holstein> wip: if the noise is not recorded, then its not going to tape
[21:20] <holstein> if its just int he monitoring
[21:20] <wip> holstein: ok got it
[21:21] <LumpOfCoal> do any of you know of a gui that will let me permanently mount a network drive?
[21:21] <holstein> well, the desktop is a GUI
[21:22] <holstein> i use gigolo
[21:22] <LumpOfCoal> i figured you would know of something holstein
[21:22] <holstein> sshfs if its ssh.. you can add anything to fstab AFAIK
[21:22] <LumpOfCoal> thanks again, i will give it a try
[21:23] <holstein> sure.. gigolo is not persistent AFAIK
[21:25] <wip> i just discovered where the high pitch noise is coming from and it's not a good news... when setting jack to a very low latency (< 10ms) i get this high pitch... not when using a normal latency (> 20ms)
[21:25] <holstein> wip: if it doesnt go to tape, i wouldnt worry about it
[21:25] <wip> well i want to play live
[21:28] <holstein> wip: whatever you are playing will cover that sound up
[21:28] <holstein> or you can send it to presonus for service
[21:28] <LumpOfCoal> wip, then play it live and record it remotely
[21:28] <LumpOfCoal> if it is not going to tape, it may not go to stream either
[21:29] <holstein> wip: if you think its an ubuntustudio, ffado or driver issue, try AVlinux live with the hardware
[21:29] <wip> will try with the same low latency setting in windows (not sure how, not a big fan of windows...)
[21:30] <wip> but looks like when the firepod is set to a very low latency (< 10ms) i get noise, not when using > 20ms like i said. but still getting noise when moving stuff on the screen no matter the latency
[21:31] <wip> i play mostly silent stuff and i don't record, so i cannot leave it like this
[21:31] <holstein> wip: i have a firepod
[21:31] <holstein> wip: you dont need lowlatency for that
[21:32] <holstein> wip: i dont get noise
[21:33] <wip> holstein: i need low latency (< 10ms) because i play instruments
[21:33] <holstein> wip: you play software synths??
[21:34] <wip> holstein: no, analog (you know the 1/4 plug in the soundcard) :)
[21:34] <holstein> sure.. then the computer will be behind you
[21:34] <holstein> doesnt matter
[21:34] <holstein> the audience with percieve you playing along with it in time
[21:35] <wip> well most of the time i don't play, i don't people to get a headache
[21:35] <wip> *i don't want
[21:37] <zequence> wip: You do any live processing? Play a soft instrument live, or add fx to live audio signals?
[21:39] <zequence> The computer case you posted looks a lot like you're planning to do live fx processing with it
[21:42] <zequence> wip: The high pich noise. Are you getting any xruns, or it's just noise?
[21:43] <wip> zequence: yes processing the analog signal in pure data (but it's not the source of the problem)
[21:43] <wip> no xrun at all
[21:43] <wip> no high pitch when using normal latency
[21:44] <zequence> I do a lot of puredata myself. Weird. Can't think of any reason why latency would affect the audio
[21:45] <zequence> wip: do you get noise only with puredata, or just from having jack running?
[21:45] <wip> not sure if it's because of the custom computer case (soundcard too close from the powersupply)...
[21:45] <wip> zequence: when jack is running at low latency
[21:46] <zequence> But why only in low latencies? One would think the noise would appear at any latency
[21:46] <zequence> If it's leakage
[21:46] <wip> i guess low latency = high dsp / cpu = high pitch?!
[21:47] <holstein> mine makes a noise.. its not very loud though
[21:47] <holstein> its smoething going bad in the unit
[21:48] <zequence> wip: I recommend posting about this on LAU - linux audio user mail list
[21:49] <holstein> sure, but its not a linux issue.. its a power issue
[21:49] <holstein> youd do better searching on presonus avenues of support
[21:49] <wip> zequence: will do, i need to really test the setup (getting out the soundcard putting far away from the computer, windows test...)
[21:49] <holstein> we both know why we have that devices.. its cheap
[21:49] <wip> well i guess i am not the only one having this issue
[21:50] <zequence> I don't know what sort of issue it is, but on there are some people on that list who have awesome understanding about analoge/digital equipment
[21:50] <holstein> i have that sound.. im still not convinced its an issue
[21:50] <zequence> holstein: Does it change when you change latency setting?
[21:50] <holstein> its not very loud yet on my unit, but i have the older one.. they probably made them even cheaper
[21:51] <holstein> zequence: it gets louder, which i assume is pulling more power
[21:51] <wip> holstein: i have also the "old" one
[21:51] <holstein> zequence: i still think its pwer related
[21:51] <holstein> i heard it in windows
[21:52] <wip> holstein: your soundcard is "far" from your computer
[21:52] <holstein> wip: im not following
[21:52] <holstein> wip: its not that loud on my unit
[21:55] <zequence> I don't get why the noise should increase on the audio device because of what happens in the CPU. It's always the same data going in and out from the audio device, no matter which latency setting, or what the CPU is doing. So, this is an enigma to me
[21:55] <holstein> zequence: power consumption
[21:56] <holstein> lower latency uses more power... pushes the hardware harder
[21:56] <wip> wow, check this out, i don't get anymore noise!
[21:56] <holstein> or thats what i always though
[21:56] <holstein> thought*
[21:56] <wip> even at low latency
[21:56] <holstein> it got much better when i paid attention to the power
[21:56] <zequence> wip: What did you do?
[21:57] <holstein> like lifting the ground on other gear, and the moise reducing power block
[21:57] <holstein> noise*
[21:57] <wip> i just took the firewire cable out of the case and try to find a "blind" spot = boom no more noise
[21:57] <wip> if i place the cable somewhere else i get the high pitch noise immediately...
[21:58] <zequence> holstein: Then there should be increased noise from doing anything CPU intensive on the PC, no matter what latency setting
[21:58] <wip> so it's a cable / EMI sheild problem i guess!
[21:58]  * wip is very happy!
[21:59] <holstein> wip: that sounds plausible
[21:59] <wip> and also sorry for the noise... i know this is not the right channel for that, but i knew some people could help me brainstorming on the problem!
[21:59] <holstein> zequence: sure, but its not the machine that is making the noise
[21:59] <holstein> zequence: its the firewire unit
[21:59] <holstein> and i think when you push it harware, it makes more noise
[21:59] <holstein> push it harder*
[21:59] <wip> maybe i will buy a better and shorter firewire cable
[22:00] <zequence> holstein: The firewire unit doesn't use more power at lower latencies
[22:00] <holstein> zequence: ok
[22:00] <zequence> It's just receiving and sending data
[22:00] <zequence> Only the CPU in the PC might use a bit more since it has to work faster
[22:09] <LumpOfCoal> holstein: is there any way to make the changes persistant?
[22:11] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: sure.. in linux and FOSS, the answer is *always* yes (pretty much)
[22:11] <holstein> how you would like to achieve that depends on several things... what kind of share for example
[22:12] <LumpOfCoal> well there are two shares i want to automount on boot
[22:12] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: and they are? ssh? samba? ftp?
[22:12] <LumpOfCoal> one is NTFS, the other is ext4
[22:12] <LumpOfCoal> samba
[22:13] <LumpOfCoal> the end goal it to be able to simply save attachments from thunderbird to the network drives
[22:13] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Autofs http://www.mattvanstone.com/2007/11/automatically-mounting-windows-smb-shares-in-ubuntu-v3/
[22:14] <LumpOfCoal> in that sense maybe i am barking up the wrong tree
[22:14] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: you can save attachments where ever you like
[22:14] <LumpOfCoal> but the network drives don't show up when you hit save as
[22:15] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: i dont use samba or thunderbird personally
[22:16] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: when you hit "save as" you should see an option for going to a custom ocation
[22:16] <holstein> you can mount the shares to where you like
[22:16] <holstein> you can make a shortcut to where you like
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> yeah, i was just looking to try a gui this time
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> i found one i like for samba
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> i have done it in fstab before
[22:17] <LumpOfCoal> the second link you shared looks like a good one
[22:18] <holstein> LumpOfCoal: for me, a text editor is a GUI
[22:18] <LumpOfCoal> lol
[22:18] <LumpOfCoal> i am partial to gedit myself
[22:18] <holstein> if you need to edit a text file use gedit.. its a GUI..
[22:19] <LumpOfCoal> yeah, technically gVIM is a gui
[22:20] <holstein> im just saying, to say you want a GUI to mount windows shares is a bit unlealistic maybe
[22:20] <LumpOfCoal> i thought that going in
[22:20] <LumpOfCoal> but just thought i would give it a try
[22:20] <holstein> im not saying you cant, im just saying, if you want to do more advanced things, you might have to get more advanced
[22:20] <LumpOfCoal> agreed
[22:21] <LumpOfCoal> i will hack fstab after dinner
[22:21] <LumpOfCoal> could be interesting depending on how much wine i drink.. jk
[22:24] <Lump|AFK> be back after dinner, thanks again holstein
[22:24] <holstein> Lump|AFK: cheers!
[22:28] <whoo> How do you "Open as administrator" with the ubuntustudio version of nautilus ?
[22:28] <whoo> Its not in the context dialogue
[22:29] <holstein> whoo: i would be *very* cautions in there
[22:29] <holstein> from a terminal.. "gksudo nautilus" without the quotes
[22:29] <holstein> whoo: what are you trying to do?
[22:29] <whoo> I prefer to open s administrator from nautilus
[22:30] <whoo> as*
[22:30] <whoo> If i need to be root to move files
[22:30] <holstein> whoo: you can sudo mv files from the terminal
[22:31] <holstein> whoo: gksudo nautilus is "open as administrator"
[22:31] <whoo> I woeld taher have something available in the nautilus
[22:31] <whoo> rather*
[22:31] <holstein> whoo: that *is* nautilus
[22:32] <holstein> if you want, make a launcher for it, and put it where ever you like, and you can click it fron inside nautilus
[22:32] <whoo> It's quicker to have a right click "Open as Administrator"
[22:32] <whoo> right...like a script
[22:32] <holstein> whoo: i could argue that.. but its not here.. its not like that.. its not windows
[22:32] <holstein> whoo: you should see me looking for sudo on a windows box
[22:32] <holstein> whoo: its all open though, and im sure you can implement *exactly* what you like
[22:32] <whoo> Nautilus typically has right click :Open as Admin"...I dont use windows
[22:33] <whoo> nautilus in the gnome world
[22:33] <holstein> whoo: that wont let you move files as admin
[22:33] <holstein> that opens a root terminal or whatever else that add one did
[22:33] <holstein> addon*
[22:33] <Nephi> sudo sudo nautilus is how i've always done it
[22:33] <holstein> whoo: if you remember where you saw that, look it up and see what add on was there
[22:33] <whoo> yes. It opens a new window as super user
[22:34] <holstein> gksudo nautilus
[22:34] <holstein> whoo: i have not seen that plugin...i have only see the open root terminal one
[22:34] <holstein> whoo: we dont haave that by default, and i think it would be unsafe to have it as so
[22:34] <Nephi> ^^
[22:34] <whoo> I am talking about mate, and gnome 2
[22:35] <whoo> mint.....I think...debian squeeze gnome de has it by default
[22:35] <holstein> whoo: imm taling about nautilus.. gksudo nautlius opens nautilus as root
[22:35] <holstein> whoo: i havent seen it there
[22:36] <holstein> whoo: if you figure out what it is, grab the plug in and im sure it will work with uubuntustduio
[22:36] <whoo> hmm lemme check my laptop
[22:37] <whoo> AV Linux has a script in the context as that distro is deb squeeze lxde with nautilus
[22:39] <whoo> I should just go with the Alt F2 gksudo nautilus and learn to use it
[22:43] <holstein> i like AVlinux.. gksudo nautilus is what i suggested and still suggest as the "easy" way
[22:43] <holstein> whoo: the avlinux "script" will work


[23:39] <daker> cjwatson: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/2016/01/how-to-integrate-slack-with-launchpad.html
[23:40] <daker> oupps :D
[23:40] <daker> correct link : http://daker.me/2016/01/how-to-integrate-slack-with-launchpad.html
[23:41] <cjwatson> daker: neat, thanks!  I assume you're working around your bug by checking out the branch in question or something
[23:42] <daker> cjwatson: no for now i am not displaying the commit message
[23:43] <daker> cjwatson: for the MR event, it would be great to have the person who had approved/merge the branch for ex
[23:45] <cjwatson> I think we can only easily do the approver
[23:45] <daker> cjwatson: yeah


[05:33] <Taggnostr> hello
[05:34] <Taggnostr> I was wondering when kernel 4.13.8 will be released for artful -- I found https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/10/18/kernel-team-summary-october-18th-2017/ and it has a release date for the 30th, but doesn't mention the release version and doesn't seem to include artful
[06:40] <tjaalton> Taggnostr: don't think that applies to artful yet, but a new sru cycle starts next week so it should get tagged for proposed then
[06:40] <tjaalton> git has 4.13.8
[22:00] <slangasek> jsalisbury: hi, I tested the last three kernels you posted on LP: #1724911, and they confirm the earlier results but don't bring us any closer to having a clean commit to grab :/
[22:00] <jsalisbury> slangasek, yeah, I just saw your comments.  I'm going to have to dig further to under stand that Merge.
[22:00] <slangasek> ok
[22:03] <slangasek> perhaps it's legitimately a bug that's fixed only by a combination of commits from both branches?
[22:04] <jsalisbury> slangasek, yeah, that's what I was thinking, maybe multiple commits are needed.
[22:05] <jsalisbury> slangasek, I need to confirm whether or not the commits in the merege are compiled in before the merge tag is added.
[22:06] <jsalisbury> slangasek, becuase when the HEAD is set to 3840ed9548f, I would think all of the commits in the entire merge are being used since that is the last commit in the merge.
[22:21] <TJ-> jsalisbury: slangasek looking at all the commits in that tty-4.14-rc1 merge, the commit that stands out is a09ac3974d0c0b25dfa70f8076546bc4876dd7a8 "tty: resolve tty contention between kernel and user space"
[22:25] <slangasek> TJ-: ok, but 3840ed9548f778717aaab5eab744da798c3ea055 is bad, so where is that commit coming in from?
[22:49] <slangasek> TJ-: and more to the point, 3840ed9548f778717aaab5eab744da798c3ea055..e63a94f12b5fc67b2b92a89d4058e7a9021e900e shows none of the differences from that commit, or basically anything of interest in the tty driver
[22:50] <slangasek> a bunch of pty stuff
[22:53] <TJ-> slangasek: yeah, I knew that, but I went looking for commit messages that suggested the functionality had been touched. Looking at the commit history there are 3379 commits between those 2 points. I suspect the fix is not in  drivers/tty/ but possibly in drivers/gpu/ or possibly arch/x86/mm/
[22:56] <slangasek> yes
[23:46] <slangasek> jsalisbury: fwiw I'm attempting a rebisect now of e63a94f12b5fc67b2b92a89d4058e7a9021e900e .. 1a3b85ea36d38d5732fdd86b321b10bcaeb53512 (i.e. down the tty branch) with a rebase onto 1a3b85ea36d38d5732fdd86b321b10bcaeb53512 on each step
[23:47] <slangasek> jsalisbury: this is with my 2h iteration cycle again, so if you were to jump ahead of me I would not mind ;)


[06:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted selectors34 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1]
[06:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ciphersaber [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.01-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[07:10] <ginggs> would somebody please 'force-badtest monkeysign/2.2.3/i386 monkeysign/2.2.3/ppc64el' - it seems to have accidentally passed once on those
[07:38] <apw> ginggs, done
[07:38] <ginggs> apw: thanks!
[07:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: kirigami2 (zesty-proposed/primary) [2.0.0-0ubuntu1]
[10:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New source: mozjs38 (zesty-proposed/primary) [38.2.1~rc0-0ubuntu1]
[10:55] <xnox> will there be a d-i rebuild for 16.04.2?
[10:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ndiswrapper (xenial-proposed/universe) [1.59-6 => 1.60-3~ubuntu16.04.1] (no packageset)
[11:12] <davmor2> xnox: oh I hope not I was hoping to start testing it once I knew if the new kernel landed or not :)
[11:19] <xnox> davmor2, well, xenial d-i is at "Move master kernels to 4.4.0-31." yet latest -security and -updates abi is 4.4.0-62 and latest -proposed is 4.4.0-63.84
[11:20] <xnox> thus i'm going to work under assumption that we will have d-i respin.
[11:30] <davmor2> xnox: I'd say a full resping to be honest I think that is the kernel we are waiting on potentially
[11:46] <apw> xnox, would assume infinity has some extensive work for the dual kernel enablement somewhere
[11:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ndiswrapper [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.60-3~ubuntu16.04.1]
[11:53] <acheronuk> .
[11:53] <acheronuk> Hi. Can someone please review and accept our sources in the NEW queue please? they are needed before we can our packageset refresh done.
[11:53] <acheronuk> namely minuet, konqueror, kommander, klinkstatus, kimagemapeditor,kfind, kfilereplace, keditbookmarks, kdialog
[11:53] <acheronuk> thanks
[11:53] <acheronuk> most of those are actually OLD packages, but KDE have now split the sources
[11:53] <acheronuk> .
[11:53] <acheronuk> minuet is part of the full KDE applications 16.04.0 release that we were unable to get into yakkety, due to not have some build depends for it in the archive
[11:53] <acheronuk> see: https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-16.04.0.php
[11:54] <acheronuk> in 16.12 KDE app we are now doing...
[11:54] <acheronuk> kde-baseapps (split into kdialog, keditbookmarks, kfind, konqueror)
[11:54] <acheronuk> kdewebdev (split into kfilereplace, kimagemapeditor, klinkstatus, kommander)
[11:54] <acheronuk> hence these are nothing new per se. just split and some ported to KF5
[11:54] <acheronuk> see: https://community.kde.org/Applications/16.12_Release_Notes#Tarballs_that_we_have_split
[11:54] <acheronuk> .
[11:54] <acheronuk> kirigami2 is a new plasma 5.9 dependency that debian have packaging for, but not done yet as they are still on plasma 5.8
[11:54] <acheronuk> thanks :)
[12:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mysql-5.7 (xenial-proposed/main) [5.7.17-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 5.7.17-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (core)
[12:04] <rbasak> ^ sponsored by me, so I can't SRU review.
[12:07] <apw> rbasak, is there a yakkety coming for that too ?
[12:08] <rbasak> apw: not planned.
[12:09] <rbasak> apw: we're prioritising Xenial, and there's another important bug we want to focus on for Xenial first, just a bit more involved to fix so we didn't want to delay these fixes to Xenial any further. By the time we get that sorted, it probably won't be worth doing Yakkety.
[12:10] <rbasak> (also we have to slot in the SRUs between security updates)
[12:15] <apw> rbasak, and zesty is already fixed for these at least ?
[12:25] <rbasak> apw: yes, Zesty is fixed for all.
[12:25] <rbasak> (of the bugs)
[12:26] <rbasak> apw: oh, if you're reviewing, we have broken down git commits if that makes it easier.
[12:28] <rbasak> apw: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-mysql/mysql.git/log/?h=mysql-5.7/rbasak/ubuntu/xenial
[12:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed [amd64] (xenial-proposed) [4.4.0-63.84]
[12:52] <apw> rbasak, well the diff looks ok to me, i am a little supprised we could not apply these changes to yakkety too, but
[13:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mysql-5.7 [source] (xenial-proposed) [5.7.17-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[13:29] <cpaelzer> Hi, could one of the SRU Team take a look at moving the libvirt in bug 1637601 forward?
[13:30] <apw> cpaelzer, for xenial ?  that has a failing ADT test ...
[13:31] <apw> cpaelzer, a nova test failure with it
[13:31] <cpaelzer> apw: really, thanks for the info
[13:32] <cpaelzer> apw: that nova failure sounds familiar from another place (where it isn't fixed either)
[13:32] <cpaelzer> might be a good info to add to the other discussion - checking
[13:32] <apw> cpaelzer, if it is a nova issue rather than a libvirt issue then that can be ignored ... if
[13:34] <cpaelzer> apw: the libvirt change is totally unrelated, yet I like to have them green or really understood - taking a look
[13:35] <apw> cpaelzer, i will also throw it at the wall and confirm it is reproducible
[13:41] <apw> cpaelzer, so that looks to retry ok, so ... i'll wait for the regression to go away in the reports and we can release it
[13:46] <apw> cpaelzer, well of course other than the fact it is seeded, and we are preparing a point release
[13:51] <apw> cpaelzer, will confer with the point release release coordinator and find out, it is at least elidgable now
[13:52] <cpaelzer> apw: I hit rerun as this never occurred to me in about 10 related builds in bileto + dep8 tests
[13:52] <cpaelzer> apw: it now passed as expected
[13:52] <cpaelzer> apw: the log itself of the issue was not pointing to anything related with the change
[13:52] <apw> cpaelzer, yeah both passed so it is even reliably passing
[13:53] <cpaelzer> apw: do you see anything else in the SRU process that might stall it I should look into?
[13:55] <apw> cpaelzer, it is now eligable to release as far as i can see, it is just need to check on the point release
[13:57] <cpaelzer> apw: I beg a pardon - what is "need to check on the point release" - ensuring it doesn't pull in other dependencies to the point release?
[13:58] <apw> cpaelzer, i believe we are frozen for the point release so any promotions need an ack from adam
[13:59] <cpaelzer> ok, thanks
[14:02] <ginggs> Laney: fyi, ncbi-tools6 (the package that no longer has autopkgtests) has another upload (still without tests)
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: multipath-tools (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.5.0+git1.656f8865-5ubuntu7.1 => 0.5.0+git1.656f8865-5ubuntu7.2] (core)
[16:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: multipath-tools (xenial-proposed/main) [0.5.0+git1.656f8865-5ubuntu2.3 => 0.5.0+git1.656f8865-5ubuntu2.4] (core)
[16:45] <Laney> ginggs: nobody reviewed my branch yet
[16:48] <Laney> (please feel free!)
[18:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: prison-kf5 [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:41] <clivejo> ^ Can someone please accept those new binaries for prison-kf5?
[19:55] <apw> clivejo, should there not be an actual library in those prison-kf5 binaries?
[20:03] <clivejo> apw: yes, libkf5prison5
[20:06] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/prison/tree/debian/control?h=kubuntu_zesty_archive
[20:09] <clivejo> usr/lib/*/libKF5Prison.so.5.30.0
[20:10] <apw> clivejo, does not appear to be in the package ....
[20:10] <apw> $ less ~/Downloads/libkf5prison-dev_5.30.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb | grep libKF5Prison.so
[20:10] <apw> lrwxrwxrwx root/root         0 2017-02-06 16:33 ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5Prison.so -> libKF5Prison.so.5
[20:10] <apw> $
[20:11] <apw> oh dammit, what is that doing there
[20:11] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/305376446/buildlog_ubuntu-zesty-amd64.prison-kf5_5.30.0-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[20:11] <clivejo> -rw-r--r-- root/root     43536 2017-02-06 16:33 ./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5Prison.so.5.30.0
[20:11] <apw> sorry dirty Downloads directory, let me do that again
[20:11] <acheronuk> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prison-kf5/5.30.0-0ubuntu1/+build/11973048
[20:12] <acheronuk> http://i.imgur.com/WFR23Lw.png
[20:12] <apw> ok there it is, all is as it should be, ignore me
[20:12] <acheronuk> ah, ok
[20:12] <clivejo> apw: will you accept it?
[20:12] <apw> clivejo, looking
[20:14] <slangasek> infinity, bdmurray: what's the existing best implementation we have of figuring out who to email about a given upload?  So that robru can leverage this for p-m to email uploaders about stuck migrations
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [amd64] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [armhf] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [powerpc] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [s390x] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [arm64] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted prison-kf5 [i386] (zesty-proposed) [5.30.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:19] <clivejo> apw: could you take a look at our other packages in the queue please?
[20:20] <apw> clivejo, the main blocker on those (for me) is that some of them have epoch's which though they seem very reasonable to us, could be avoided in debian and create a missmatch ...
[20:21] <apw> clivejo, do we have buy in from the Debian KDE maintainers for the source split packaging ?
[20:22] <clivejo> well I cant see how they could not split them, as upstream have split the git repo's
[20:22] <apw> clivejo, they could (in theory) have no epoch on the source and still ahve an epoch on the binaries, which does seem mad, but ...
[20:23] <clivejo> Ive never seen them do that
[20:23] <clivejo> they are annoying, but thats asking for trouble
[20:26] <jbicha> for instance, bsdutils has an epoch but the rest of the util-linux binaries and source do not
[20:27] <jbicha> https://sources.debian.net/src/util-linux/2.29-1/debian/rules/?hl=138#L138
[20:28] <clivejo> is there one instance in particular is concerning?
[20:30] <apw> release-team people by definition are risk averse, and epoch-en are essentially impossible to remove
[20:32] <clivejo> apw: kirigami2 is essential for us right now, would you look at it please?
[20:32] <clivejo> discover = KDE Plasma sofware install centre
[20:33] <clivejo> and we need kirigami2 for it, both build and runtime
[20:36] <clivejo> why do we need kirigami and kirigami2 I bet you are thinking!
[20:36] <clivejo> https://dot.kde.org/2017/01/12/kde-releases-kirigami-ui-20
[20:59] <bdmurray> slangasek: the phased-updater code looks at the launchpad signer and fallsback to parsing the changes file for Changed-By
[21:02] <nacc> jbicha: is that because bsdutils changed src packages (based upon 2.9i-1 entry in d/changelog)?
[21:09] <slangasek> robru: ^^ so that answer from bdmurray is probably what you want as a best-practices starting point
[21:10] <robru> bdmurray: slangasek thanks
[21:26] <acheronuk> yes, plasma-discover, our software centre, now requires kirigami2, which can only be a separate source due to v1 and v2 being incompatible, and KDE applications/plasma in requiring both at the moment
[21:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (xenial-proposed/main) [0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 => 0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.04.2] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[21:26] <acheronuk> we cannot choose to use v1 even if we wished to
[21:28] <acheronuk> ditto for the other new queue items.
[21:31] <acheronuk> kirigami2 ins debian git: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kirigami2.git/
[21:31] <acheronuk> kirigami2 in arch https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/kirigami2/
[21:32] <acheronuk> kirigami2 in opensuse https://software.opensuse.org/package/kirigami2
[21:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cloud-init [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.04.2]
[21:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cloud-init [source] (yakkety-proposed) [0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.10.1]
[21:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cloud-init (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.7.8-68-gca3ae67-0ubuntu1~16.10.1 => 0.7.9-0ubuntu1~16.10.1] (edubuntu, ubuntu-cloud, ubuntu-server)
[21:43] <acheronuk> plasma-discover is sitting patently waiting for it's kirigami2 here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.9.0-0ubuntu1
[21:43]  * acheronuk will shut up now
[21:55] <acheronuk> apw: please see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23943739/
[22:00] <acheronuk> apw: from debian kde-qt devs in #debian-qt-kde on OFTC
[22:02] <jgrimm> tjaalton, dogtag-pki update-excuses failures discussion last week.. iirc you felt it was tomcat issue, needing some AA help to hold-back/clean-out tomcat?
[22:03] <jgrimm> tjaalton, wondering if you'd attempted to get an AA's attention to help sort?
[22:05] <tjaalton> jgrimm: kinda, sent an email to ubuntu-release
[22:06] <jgrimm> tjaalton, ah.. :)   ok, didn't want to double-nag folks


[06:59] <diplo> Morning all
[08:02] <diddledan> morning
[08:04] <foobarry> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/4022344 ewww
[08:09] <diddledan> yeah. the good news is they had a patch ready within 48 hours from being told. over the weekend
[08:15] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Mother Ocean Day! 😃  🌊
[08:23] <diddledan> www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWekvu3-ckw
[08:35] <JamesTait> Very good, diddledan. ☺
[08:36] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frfadf6LjmE I know it is sea but it makes me smile so I don't care :D
[08:45] <czajkowski> good morning
[08:48] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:58] <czajkowski> SuperMatt: howdy
[09:21] <diddledan> this looks nuts: https://youtu.be/dxiCnhH6TcM
[09:26] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: The first one was TOTALLY AWESOME!
[09:26] <diddledan> yup
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> G/F is German. She was laughing at the German-language jokes before most of the audience due to the subtitles being a smidge behind.
[09:30] <TwistedLucidity> "Black to the moon". He he he he
[09:31] <diddledan> I fancy firing up netflix to rewatch it
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> Unsure how legit this is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLwiO3U8DU
[09:37] <TwistedLucidity> URL at the end looks OK
[10:31] <diddledan> someone's building scaffolding up the side of the building. I wonder what they're up to?
[10:31] <diplo> Any postscript gurus in here ?
[10:31] <diddledan> diplo: I thought postscript was designed so that nobody can ever become guru level?
[10:32] <diplo> hah that is certainly how I feel atm
[10:32] <diddledan> or was that SGML?
[10:32] <diplo> Anything to do with printing*
[10:32] <diddledan> :-p
[10:33] <diddledan> received a nice new intel x520 fibre network card today
[10:33] <diddledan> can get that running under vmware this arvo
[10:33] <diplo> Don't play with anything like that anymore :( all my stuff is old...
[10:41] <diplo> So basically with my printing, we send raw postscript files to printers and it just works, has done for years... issue is we have a few customers who have decided to get there own printers, said postscript on the box but its postscript3, not the same thing and only really supports pcl6, what I'm trying to find out is a way of converting on the fly from ps > pcl6 > to printer
[10:45] <diddledan> the guy who wrote this has died: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC5ca6Hsb2Q
[10:46] <knightwise> Robert Miles , heroe of my 90's DJ days
[10:46] <diddledan> :-(
[10:46] <davmor2> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[10:47] <davmor2> 47 that is no age
[10:48] <davmor2> OMG how will we say things have gone wrong if Pete Tong dies?
[10:49] <diddledan> omg. that cannot happen!
[10:49] <knightwise>  /join #oggcastplanet
[10:49] <knightwise> oopz
[10:49] <knightwise> sorry :)
[10:49] <diddledan> :-p
[10:49] <diddledan> now we know where you're hiding ;-)
[10:50] <knightwise> Project Libre ... a pretty good alternative for MS project .. if you like 90"s interfaces
[11:01] <diddledan> dear god, he doesn't understand appearances at all: https://twitter.com/jzb/status/862261030830968832
[11:01] <davmor2> hahahahahahahahaha
[11:02] <davmor2> diddledan: have you ever seen his hair that should be the clue he has no idea about image and appearance at all :D
[11:02] <diddledan> lol. good point
[12:18] <foobarry> why does every techie person seem to end up spending 80% of their time tweeting politics?
[12:19] <foobarry> esp. well known ones, but not just
[12:19] <diddledan> because we care
[12:26] <czajkowski> foobarry: people care and tech people seem more clued in on how to engage and use the tools to discuss and share
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> because vim is better than emacs foobarry :-)
[12:29] <TwistedLucidity> edlin 4 eva in ur hertz
[12:29] <davmor2> foobarry: they are the only one that can see through the bull
[12:30] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: what's emacs
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> it's an operating system that some folk like
[12:31] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: oh it's the new version of windows
[12:32] <zmoylan-pi> no no, i said like... :-P
[12:32] <zmoylan-pi> not tolerated...
[12:33] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: oh it's Mac's latest
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> it is technically free so that rules out any mac connection...
[12:34] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: got it it's what Mandrake turned into in the end right?
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> but with fewer xkcd references... https://www.xkcd.com/378/
[12:36] <twinsen^x> davmor2: emacs, a text editor, Richard Stallman, kernel not included, learning curve
[12:37] <TwistedLucidity> s/curve/cliff
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> these cliffs... http://www.touristspots.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Cliffs-of-Moher1.jpg they were the cliffs of madness in princess bride...
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> 30 years old that movie...
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> 20 years for fifth element...
[12:40] <davmor2> 40 for starwars
[12:41] <zmoylan-pi> 10 for the 300
[12:41] <twinsen^x> fitth element got new job at biohazard
[12:42] <davmor2> 50 years for the graduate
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> 60 for the bridge on the river kwai...
[12:45] <davmor2> 70 the original Miracle on 34th street
[12:45] <zmoylan-pi> i'm only going with movies i have on dvd... :-)
[12:45] <davmor2> + lots of Charlie Chaplin
[12:46] <davmor2> Yes
[12:46] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: close to 4000 here
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> i really must hunt down a copy of the great dictator...
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> adolf hitler got a copy and watched it alone but never said anything about it iirc
[12:55] <twinsen^x> the great dictator, file copy, archive.org https://archive.org/details/CC_1940_01_01_TheGreatDictator_IT ; copyright i don't know; film copy or auction i don't know
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> thanks twinsen^x, i was trying to get past this weeks youtube don't allow copies fun and games...
[13:06] <twinsen^x> you're welcome. additional search shows, christie auction GBP 11,950 http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/charlie-chaplinthe-great-dictator-1940-4413537-details.aspx
[13:10] <zmoylan-pi> i don't have a credit card to buy online.  i will make 1-2 circuits of shops in city centre to see if i can find the dvd...
[13:14] <twinsen^x> suddenly i realized 10 dvd set of the chaplin collection, in the bookshelf... vynil wrapped, i forgot i had bought several yrs ago
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> he's very much forgotten at the mo... i suspect when it's the 100 year anniversary of his films coming up they'll be /rediscovered/
[13:15] <zmoylan-pi> ditto laurel and hardy, harald lloyd and quite a few others...
[13:17] <zmoylan-pi> i remember as a kid trying for ages to rub my stomach and pat my head and then switch hands... :-)
[13:17] <twinsen^x> i remember i bought the collection, to show to my daughter but she's not interested...
[13:19] <zmoylan-pi> you'll just have to sit down and watch them and she wants to be there she can't have a phone/tablet as it would be distracting...
[13:20] <twinsen^x> she got iphone and ipad and sns acounts...
[13:26] <twinsen^x> have a nice day. thanks for your advice, i & daughter gonna try the g dictator along with ghost in the shell.
[13:31] <lopta> Mornin'
[15:06] <diddledan> microsoft are keynoting their build (developers') conference right now: https://channel9.msdn.com
[15:11] <diddledan> 500 meeleon windwos 10 devices now


[17:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Full Circle Magazine: Full Circle Magazine #172 @ https://fullcirclemagazine.org/2021/08/27/full-circle-magazine-172/


[00:02] <JackFrost> I think freaking Gentoo of all distros beat me to the updates. :'(
[00:05] <ochosi> haha
[00:05] <ochosi> well i'm happy if this time we hit the bullseye ;)
[00:17] <JackFrost> Hah. :D
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[18:07] <JackFrost> Debian buildds were broken last night so I couldn't upload more, then Corsac did it all. 0_o
[18:55] <JackFrost> Right, so maybe time for 4.16 to make it into the backports repo.
[21:11] <JackFrost> I feel bad. :(
[22:05] <bluesabre> :(
[22:07] <JackFrost> bluesabre: ..Hey, can we sort xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml?
[22:08] <bluesabre> JackFrost: how would you feel about enabling the arm arches on the ppa?
[22:08] <bluesabre> JackFrost: yes, I think that'd be a good idea. Sort by accelerator or app?
[22:08] <bluesabre> (or both)
[22:08] <JackFrost> https://git.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/xebian-default-settings.git/tree/etc/xdg/xdg-xebian/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml?id=c201d5b3e8e79044b0f342cb930a9bdbcfbf83d4#n6 does good things for my OCD.
[22:09] <bluesabre> Yes, that is absolutely better.
[22:09] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Is it not already?   :D
[22:10] <bluesabre> xubuntu-dev/experimental seems to be only i386/amd64
[22:10] <JackFrost> bluesabre: ARM is already enabled for staging.
[22:11] <bluesabre> ohhh
[22:11] <bluesabre> Yes it is
[22:12] <bluesabre> Fantastic, thanks for already taking care of that :D
[22:12] <JackFrost> Sure thing.  Should I expect a catfish and -screensaver release soon? :)  (And, will screensaver have --daemon?? :D )
[22:13] <bluesabre> Yes, yes, and.... probably not unless there's already a patch in the wild
[22:14] <JackFrost> Hah.  So when someone in the python world poked me about catfish, I offered to assist with the new one when the time came, so perhaps you won't even have to do that!
[22:15] <JackFrost> ..Also, your commit messages are cleaner than mine. :3
[22:15] <bluesabre> Nifty!
[22:34] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Anything pending for me?
[22:36] <JackFrost> And, can I remove bionic from there?