[12:16] <saintsjd> New to ubuntu development and I would like try making my first package. There is a specific package in debian called postgis. Currently it requires postgresql 7.4.  I would like to experiment creating a new postgis-8.0 package for postgresql 8.0.  Is there any way that I could use the current package in debian to begin my work on Ubuntu?
[12:27] <mgalvin> saintsjd: sure get the source for the debian package and read the debian new maintainers guide on how to work on the package http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[01:06] <mbreit> good night everybody
[01:07] <ajmitch> night mbreit
[01:08] <mbreit> night ajmitch
[01:18] <saintsjd> mgalvin, thanks. I will get the source and read the guide. Thanks! Do you have any tips from your past experience?
[01:46] <kezz> Hi, I've been using Ubuntu for quite a while now and would like to help out with some packaging. Is there an uptodate list anywhere of anything that urgently needs doing? I noticed there was a feature request on the wiki, is this up to date?
[01:46] <ajmitch> UniverseCandidates is the list of requested packages
[01:47] <ajmitch> MOTUTodo is the general list of things to do :)
[01:47] <kezz> ah ok
[01:47] <kezz> i'll keep on reading, its not tremendously clear though ;)
[01:47] <ajmitch> no, it's something we need to work on
[02:28] <Tzi> G'day =) There's a patch for Anjuta to fix the display corruption issue (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=303353) which I think should be added in..
[02:28] <Tzi> I've made some of my own debs, but I'm told it's not hard to get the patch put into ubuntu
[02:28] <Tzi> (Actually I should probably hold my toungue till this latest dist-upgrade completes, just in case it's fixed... But I doubt it..)
[02:35] <Tzi> I'm talking about Breezy, btw
[02:37] <Tzi> Nope, it's still broken after the dist-upgrade
[02:37] <Tzi> So.. Who do I talk to about getting the patch applied?
[02:42] <Tzi> Well I gotta go but I'll leave this open.. Let me know =)
[02:53] <tseng> man smeg rocks
[03:02] <theantix> it really does, yeah :-)
[06:25] <Tzi> For the sake of convenience, I'll just re-post my question..
[06:25] <Tzi> There's a patch for Anjuta to fix the display corruption issue (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=303353) which I think should be added in..
[06:25] <Tzi> I've made some of my own debs, but I'm told it's not hard to get the patch put into ubuntu
[06:25] <Tzi> Who do I talk to about getting the patch applied?
[06:26] <crimsun> make a debdiff against the current Breezy packages; post the url here; I'll take a look.
[06:27] <Tzi> Okay, just a minute
[06:37] <Tzi> Gahhh... Anyone know how to burn 701mb on a 700mb cd with nautilus?  overburn is on in gconf, but it's still refusing...
[06:43] <Tzi> Okay, next question - How do I do a debdiff?
[06:44] <crimsun> same way you generate a diff, but the arguments you pass to debdiff are the two debs.
[06:44] <Tzi> File lists identical (after any substitutions)
[06:44] <crimsun> if you have the diff.gz you used to generate your patched deb, I'll take that
[06:47] <ajmitch> Tzi: debdiff name1.dsc name2.dsc
[06:48] <Tzi> I tried that too =)
[06:48] <Tzi> it's okay, one sec
[06:50] <Tzi> http://tzidesign.com/anjuta-1.2.3-2.diff
[07:13] <Tzi> That okay?
[07:14] <crimsun> sec.
[07:15] <crimsun> ok, so against -1 in breezy. I'll test-build.
[07:15] <ajmitch> version, distribution & urgency are wrong in changelog
[07:16] <Tzi> That's just what I put in for the debs I'm using so dist-upgrade didn't keep replacing anjuta with the broken version.. Set it to whatever it needs to be, I have no idea what the protocol is
[07:17] <crimsun> it needs to be -1ubuntu1
[07:17] <crimsun> distribution would be breezy
[07:17] <ajmitch> -1ubuntu1, breezy, and we don't use the urgency field
[07:17] <crimsun> urgency would be low
[07:17] <Tzi> Sounds good
[07:18] <ajmitch> urgency is only high in debian under certain circumstances
[07:18] <ajmitch> because of the unstable/testing split, which we don't have
[07:18] <Lathiat> what does it mean?
[07:18] <Tzi> Does sound a little subjective =)
[07:18] <ajmitch> Lathiat: urgency=low means 10-day delay into testing
[07:19] <Tzi> Ahh
[07:19] <Lathiat> and high = ?
[07:19] <ajmitch> 1 or 2 days, iirc
[07:19] <Lathiat> cool
[07:19] <Tzi> So d'you want me to fix the changelog and re-upload the diff?
[07:19] <ajmitch> someone can correct me on that
[07:19] <Lathiat> close enough, i get the idea
[07:20] <ajmitch> fyi, 1.2.4-1 is in unstable & has the fix anyway
[07:20] <crimsun> if it's the only fix, we can just patch 1.2.3-1 and up it
[07:21] <Tzi> Okay, sure
[07:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: sure, then you need to drop the patch next time merges come round
[07:21] <Tzi> Well up to you.. Anjuta's pretty useless without it, from what I've seen, and from what others are saying
[07:22] <crimsun> a sync from sid is probably easiest
[07:24] <crimsun> Tzi: your call, since you provided the patch.
[07:24] <Tzi> What's involved in syncing from Sid?
[07:25] <ajmitch> asking elmo to sync
[07:25] <Tzi> Okay, so that means we get Sid's Anjuta, which may have the same problems, right?
[07:25] <ajmitch> whether by irc or by mail
[07:25] <ajmitch> Tzi: I just said, latest version has the patch
[07:26] <Tzi> Ah, missed that bit
[07:26] <crimsun> (http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/anjuta/anjuta_1.2.4-1/changelog)
[07:27] <crimsun> (offtopic, but I dig that new layout)
[07:27] <Tzi> Probably worth syncing from Sid then, I reckon.. May have other fixes too.. As long as it works properl =)
[07:27] <Tzi> +y
[07:28] <crimsun> I'd ask for a sync from Sid, since it appears 1.2.4-1 fixes not just that issue
[07:30] <Tzi> Okay, sounds good to me
[07:30] <Tzi> Shall I get onto elmo, or will someone else?
[07:30] <crimsun> (you should)
[07:31] <Tzi> Okay
[07:34] <Tzi> Okay, way too much effort.. What's his email address? =)
[07:35] <crimsun><EMAIL_ADDRESS>iirc
[07:35] <Tzi> Cheers =)
[07:42] <ajmitch> I thought normal procedure was that a sync request had to come from a MOTU, especially since it's one that will break version freeze?
[07:47] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[07:56] <jsgotangco> hey
[08:31] <siretart> hi
[08:31] <siretart> any arch gurus here?
[08:31] <siretart> how to checkout this: http://pkg-lyx.alioth.debian.org/devel/
[08:59] <ajmitch> siretart: baz register-archive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:00] <ajmitch> baz get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:00] <ajmitch> or something similar :)
[09:00] <siretart> Error during call to `vu_chdir' for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(No such file or directory)
[09:00] <ajmitch> ah, silly me
[09:01] <Treenaks> it's baz register-archive http://etc.
[09:01] <ajmitch> siretart: baz register-archive http://pkg-lyx.alioth.debian.org/devel/
[09:01] <Treenaks> then baz archives to get the list :)
[09:01] <Treenaks> then baz rbrowse -A<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:01] <Treenaks> etc.
[09:01] <ajmitch> Treenaks: thanks, I'm rusty ith baz, been playing with bzr ;)
[09:01] <Treenaks> "bzr" is pronounced "bizarre" ? :P_
[09:02] <ajmitch> of course :)
[09:02] <ajmitch> what will be bazaar 2.0
[09:02] <siretart> * archive<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not registered
[09:02] <siretart> PANIC: The requested revision cannot be built.  It is based on archives that are not registered.
[09:02] <siretart> :(
[10:14] <\sh> morning
[10:37] <pef> hello
[11:01] <siretart> hi pef
[11:01] <siretart> huhu \sh
[11:03] <pef> siretart: hi
[11:31] <Yagisan> When marking up the xml for a man page, can I put special characters (eg TM) in like when marking up html ?
[11:34] <SloMo_> Yagisan: sure... the <productname> docbook tag adds it for example... but at least for me the tm isn't converted correctly to iso-8859-1 and is displayed incorrectly
[11:36] <Yagisan> G'day SloMo_, that's good. I need to put a few TM in, I use UTF-8 encoding myself
[11:37] <SloMo_> me too but manpages must be iso-8859-1 afaik... at least that is what docbook converts them to
[11:37] <SloMo_> but the xml can be utf8, it gets converted automatic
[11:38] <Yagisan> then manpages are broken.
[11:38] <ogra_> Yagisan, cant you just avoid the (tm)
[11:38] <ogra_> ?
[11:39] <Treenaks> Yagisan: special characters in manpages can be done
[11:39] <Treenaks> Yagisan: using special escapes
[11:39] <Yagisan> ogra: It's a Doom(tm), engine, that takes its arguments in Windows(tm) format
[11:40] <Treenaks> Yagisan: people.debian.org/~branden/talks/wtfm
[11:41] <Yagisan> Thanks Treenaks, it didn't see this when googling
[11:42] <Treenaks> \(co is copyright
[11:42] <Treenaks> so I _guess_ \(tm might be trademark
[11:43] <ogra_> Yagisan, where is the problem using (tm) there instead of a special char ?
[11:43] <SloMo_> hm then the real question is, why docbook doesn't do this by default
[11:43] <Treenaks> Yagisan: there's a list in man 7 groff
[11:43] <Treenaks> Yagisan: search for \\\(co
[11:46] <Yagisan> ogra_: I just wanted to markup to the right character, to save any potential headaches.
[11:50] <ogra_> is it worth the headaches you produce for yourself now ?
[11:52] <Yagisan> it looks like the same headache I get when trying to produce multilingual websites. Probably not worth it in this case.
[11:52] <ogra_> :)
[11:53] <Yagisan> it will be good when it is all utf-8 though
[11:54] <Yagisan> anyway, back to writting the only correct documentation for my package
[12:35] <siretart> how to disable this control.in madness in cdbs?
[12:35] <siretart> I forgot it :(
[12:39] <siretart> ah, got it. never mind
[12:57] <Seveas> Can I suggest a security update for hoary universe in here?
[12:59] <siretart> Seveas: you should talk to the security team, I think Nafallo is a member
[01:00] <Seveas> ok
[01:00] <Seveas> Nafallo, around..?
[01:00] <Nafallo> pong :-)
[01:01] <Seveas> hi :)
[01:01] <Nafallo> hi :-)
[01:01] <Seveas> tor in hoary universe is a version that contains sever security bugs
[01:01] <Seveas> (it's been reported by 3 people in the last 30 minutes in #ubuntu)
[01:01] <Nafallo> wow!
[01:01] <Seveas> I backported the package from debian unstable
[01:02] <Seveas> clean backport, just needs the libevent1 from breezy
[01:02] <Nafallo> I actually thought I did fix that a while ago.
[01:02] <Nafallo> seems I forgot it :-/
[01:02] <Seveas> hehe
[01:03] <Nafallo> Seveas: what is you mail-address?
[01:03] <Seveas><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:06] <Nafallo> Seveas: you will have mail any second ;-)
[01:08] <siretart> Nafallo: how is hoary-universe security working? how many ppl are involved and what is the update policy?
[01:09] <Nafallo> siretart: I am... ;-)
[01:09] <Nafallo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SecurityUpdateProcedures
[01:09] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:13] <siretart> ah. I see
[01:14] <Nafallo> yay! :-D
[01:16] <Yagisan> :) someone else on security-review
[01:28] <Seveas> Nafallo, <aol>You've got mail!</aol>
[01:28] <Nafallo> hehe
[01:30] <Nafallo> Seveas: okey to forward to security-review? :-) pitti should have a word in this.
[01:31] <Seveas> Nafallo, be my guest
[01:33] <Nafallo> gaah, damn xchat. switched to another desktop :-P
[01:33] <Nafallo> Seveas: sent :-)
[01:35] <Seveas> Nafallo, if nothing else, at least the package in breezy should be updated, preferably the hoary one too of course
[01:36] <Nafallo> Seveas: we have that flaws in breezy aswell?
[01:36] <Seveas> yes
[01:36] <Nafallo> gaah
[01:36] <Seveas> the breezy version is not uptodate
[01:36] <Seveas> I had to take the debian sources
[01:37] <Mez> did slomo get his upload rights sorted yet?
[01:38] <Mez> obviously not, his last upload was signed by siretart
[01:48] <Seveas> gah, apparently I am subsribed to security-review already :)
[01:48] <Treenaks> UK->EU plug adapter.. 9 euros.. wtf?
[01:48] <Nafallo> Seveas: hehe :-)
[01:51] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: can't you just replace the cord which goes into the power supply?
[01:52] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: costs the same
[01:53] <SloMo_> Mez:  thanks for the dirac upload :)
[01:53] <Mez> SloMo_, no probs
[01:54] <Mez> katie process it ok?
[01:54] <SloMo_> yes... "dirac_0.5.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW"
[01:57] <Nafallo> yay
[01:58] <Mez> well, we knew that
[01:58] <Mez> but I'm sure it'll be processed soon enough
[02:08] <rbelem> morning...
[02:32] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:32] <Nafallo> hi sistpoty :-)
[02:33] <rbelem> hi sistpoty
[02:33] <SloMo_> hi sistpoty
[02:34] <rbelem> hey Nafallo
[02:34] <rbelem> Nafallo, morning
[02:34] <rbelem> ;-)
[02:34] <Nafallo> morning rbelem :-)
[02:34] <SloMo_> hi rbelem :)
[02:35] <rbelem> morning SloMo_  ;-)
[02:36] <rbelem> i'm having some problems  to create a debian/rules using cdbs
[02:37] <SloMo_> rbelem: just ask here ;)
[02:40] <rbelem> the problem is that i have to create a python package called python2.4-ixplib, but the folder is a subfolder ;-) and how do i set where must create this package?
[02:41] <rbelem> something like that $(DEB_BUILDDIR)/libixp/python/
[02:43] <rbelem> how do I set the place where setup.py is?
[02:46] <rbelem> morning kiko
[02:47] <SloMo_> rbelem: https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id2515628
[02:50] <rbelem> SloMo_, I already tried the DEB_PYTHON_BUILD_ARGS option, but the same error occurs
[02:51] <SloMo_> what error?
[02:51] <rbelem> cd . && python setup.py build --build-base="./libixp/python/"
[02:51] <rbelem> python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[02:54] <SloMo_> DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD := libixp/python/setup.py
[02:54] <SloMo_> maybe
[02:54] <SloMo_> (don't know much about python packaging ;) )
[02:54] <rbelem> hum... ;-)
[02:55] <rbelem> cool ;-)
[02:55] <rbelem> i'll try it now
[02:56] <kiko> hey rbelem
[02:56] <kiko> where is setup.py defined?
[02:57] <rbelem> hey kiko
[02:58] <rbelem> kiko, setup.py is in libixp/python/
[02:59] <kiko> yeah
[02:59] <kiko> that would need to be
[02:59] <kiko> well
[02:59] <kiko> you could actually do
[02:59] <kiko> cd ./libixp/python; python setup.py build
[03:00] <kiko> does that work for you?
[03:00] <rbelem> it works for the previous way, pkg
[03:01] <rbelem> something like that
[03:01] <rbelem> cd ${CURDIR}/libixp/python; \
[03:01] <rbelem> ${MAKE} clean; \
[03:01] <rbelem> python2.4 setup.py build; \
[03:01] <rbelem> python2.4 setup.py install --root=${CURDIR}/debian/python2.4-ixplib
[03:08] <rbelem> SloMo_, i tried with this "DEB_PYTHON_SETUP_CMD" option, now the error is gcc: ixplib.c: No such file or directory
[03:12] <rbelem> hey kiko
[03:12] <siretart> hi
[03:13] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[03:13] <siretart> breaking UVF for getting a package built and reinstallable is a valid reason, is it? ;)
[03:13] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[03:13] <rbelem> kiko, do you know a parameter where setup.py will search for dependencies?
[03:13] <kiko> rbelem, where is ixplib.c?
[03:13] <kiko> this looks very wrong
[03:13] <siretart> sistpoty: I did some uploads in UniverseUnmetDeps, I guess you got some mails
[03:14] <sistpoty> er... yes
[03:14] <siretart> ok
[03:14] <siretart> :)
[03:14] <sistpoty> :)
[03:14] <rbelem> kiko, humm... i'll look for
[03:16] <rbelem> kiko, i didn't find, but when i do cd libixp/python/; python setup.py build it works
[03:17] <rbelem> kiko, when i type python libixp/python/setup.py build  the error occurs
[03:18] <kiko> rbelem, as I said above, you should cd into the directory -- what is the problem with that?
[03:18] <rbelem> kiko, i don't know where put this with cdbs
[03:19] <kiko> where is seb128?
[03:19] <kiko> rbelem, join #ubuntu
[03:20] <rbelem> kiko, is there a parameter like --root=${CURDIR}/debian/python2.4-ixplib to specify where the setup.py can find the files?
[03:22] <kiko> there may be, seb128 will know
[03:35] <rbelem> kiko, SloMo_ : i have a class now. i have to go
[04:14] <dholbach> hellas
[04:15] <Nafallo> dholbach: morning :-)
[04:15] <\sh> hey dholbach
[04:15] <ogra> holla
[04:15] <dholbach> i handed in my thesis! ROCK'N'ROLL! :)
[04:15] <ogra> yay
[04:15] <\sh> dholbach: so u r in berlin on the 3rd :) GREAT!
[04:15] <dholbach> \sh: i think so :)
[04:16] <dholbach> thanksssssss :)
[04:16] <\sh> dholbach: and congrats :)
[04:16] <SloMo_> hi dholbach :)
[04:16] <dholbach> now only waiting for the last exam result and the "defending of the thesis" and i'm set :)
[04:16] <dholbach> hey slomo :)
[04:16] <dholbach> SloMo_: nice work on the wiki page :)
[04:17] <dholbach> yay for epiphany :)
[04:17] <SloMo_> hm, i only fixed a typo, nothing more ;)
[04:17] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[04:18] <Nafallo> dholbach: you get mail when I edit SwedishTeam*, right? ;-)
[04:18] <dholbach> yes :)
[04:18] <SloMo_> but i would support that ;) i don't like firefox... but in that case it only makes sense when we get a libgecko or something which is independent of firefox/mozill
[04:18] <Nafallo> lol
[04:19] <dholbach> SloMo_: ++
[04:19] <SloMo_> Nafallo: he gets email when anything on the wiki changes ;)
[04:24] <dholbach> ok boys, i'm off to the do-it-yourself-market
[04:24] <dholbach> see you around
[04:24] <dholbach> *wave* :-)
[04:34] <SloMo_> waaah... hopefully he comes back in a few hours ;)
[05:41] <Yagisan> ogra: ping
[05:43] <ogra> Yagisan, pong
[05:45] <Yagisan> ogra: I have a package, that is not in Debian or Ubuntu, but comes from a 3rd party repo
[05:45] <ogra> nice
[05:45] <Yagisan> it has already got several revisions
[05:45] <siretart> Yagisan: where is it?
[05:45] <ogra> in revu ?
[05:45] <Yagisan> yes
[05:46] <Yagisan> Now, I've been told it needs an -ubuntu vesrion suffix
[05:46] <Yagisan> look for deng in revu
[05:46] <ogra> if you made ubuntu specific changes to it, thats true
[05:46] <siretart> Yagisan: ah, you are jamie jones, then ;)
[05:47] <Yagisan> now, I'd like people to be able to upgrade from the 3rd party repo to ubuntu
[05:47] <Yagisan> yep - thats me :)
[05:47] <Yagisan> I actually AM the upstream repo
[05:47] <siretart> Yagisan: whats the version in your 3rd part repo?
[05:48] <Yagisan> currently 1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-5
[05:48] <siretart> Yagisan: in that case, I'd suggest that you prepare an upload with version 1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-5ubuntu1
[05:49] <SloMo_> and except the versionnumber the package seems alright now (when he uploads his local version ;) )
[05:49] <siretart> SloMo_: yes. but since the package is not in debian yet, it really should have *ubuntu* in its version
[05:50] <siretart> Yagisan: this is to prevent the syncing scripts to sync from debian should a package with the same name appear there
[05:50] <Yagisan> hmm,
[05:52] <siretart> Yagisan: you are sceptic?
[05:52] <Yagisan> I can change it, but the -ubuntu will go on the version in REVU so the existing beta2-7 will update
[05:52] <Yagisan> and I get a clean upgrade from th public side
[05:52] <Yagisan> No, not sceptic
[05:53] <Yagisan> I just don't want to break the migration of beta testers, and the public repo
[05:53] <siretart> Yagisan: err, you told above that the latest released revision of your package is -5?
[05:54] <Yagisan> public is -5, several system have the -7 in revu
[05:54] <siretart> Yagisan: err, your testers grab packages directly from revu?!
[05:54] <Yagisan> nope, I sent it out before revu
[05:54] <siretart> since they have to build them anyway, I wouldn't care that much. those you can build packages, can also downgrade ;)
[05:55] <siretart> well, if you want to support also -7 installations, then upload with revision -7ubuntu1
[05:55] <siretart> no problem
[05:55] <Yagisan> No probs. (I just would rather not break things)
[05:56] <Yagisan> now, you may have noticed my large suggests line
[05:56] <Yagisan> how much space do you have in revu ;)
[05:56] <siretart> Yagisan: I hope revu will move soon
[05:57] <siretart> revu is about 2gb, have to do some cleanups
[05:57] <siretart> Yagisan: where do these *-installer packages come from?
[05:58] <Yagisan> siretart: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html
[05:58] <Yagisan> I have to update them now deng is policy compliant
[05:58] <Yagisan> same with the data packs
[05:59] <siretart> Yagisan: are these freely distributable?
[05:59] <Yagisan> installers yes, data packs non-commercial so multiverse
[05:59] <siretart> that would be awesome to have them in breezy :)
[06:00] <Yagisan> I'd love to have them in brezy
[06:00] <Yagisan> brb - baby trouble
[06:00] <SloMo_> ok... i'm leave now until tomorrow ;) Yagisan, you'll get my vote tomorrow when you've uploaded the fixed version :) and as tomorrow is review day try to upload as much from the suggest stuff as possible ;)
[06:01] <Yagisan> SloMo_ 300MB+ ??!!??
[06:01] <siretart> I'm not sure if those *-installer packages should be in Suggests, but I don't se any valid reasons against
[06:02] <siretart> Yagisan: what is the plan for the near future, which packages shall follow after 'deng'?
[06:03] <Yagisan> the installers, then the jdoom model packs, jdoom textures, jdoom ui
[06:04] <Yagisan> followed by jheretic versions, then jhexen versions
[06:04] <Yagisan> the installers put the .wad file in the right spot, and create a menu entry
[06:04] <Yagisan> you must already own a wad file, and I can make an installer for the shareware wad
[06:05] <Yagisan> no commercial wads are distributed.
[06:05] <sistpoty> the screenshots look awesome!
[06:05] <siretart> Yagisan: ok. do you intend to get them im debian, too?
[06:06] <Yagisan> You should see it when it's fully kitted out with whats in my repo
[06:06] <Yagisan> yes
[06:06] <Yagisan> but ubuntu first, as I use ubuntu on my desktops
[06:07] <Yagisan> when it goes to debian it will be in non-free which isn't really debian
[06:07] <siretart> are you DD?
[06:07] <Yagisan> no
[06:07] <Nafallo> -ENOAMD64 :-(
[06:07] <siretart> then you'll most probably have problems finding a sponsor anyway
[06:07] <Lathiat> Nafallo: heh
[06:08] <Yagisan> Nafallo: soory, it's not 64bit clean
[06:08] <siretart> Nafallo: I think Mithrandir can help you with that ;)
[06:08] <siretart> oh. jdoom not 64bit clean? :(
[06:08] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: I have a breezy+1 goal for you ;-)
[06:08] <siretart> er, s/jdoom/deng/
[06:09] <Yagisan> deng has 3 "parts" jdoom, "jheretic", jhexen"
[06:09] <Nafallo> it would however be nice to have it amd64 clean for SFD ;-)
[06:09] <siretart> Yagisan: just curious, how do they relate?
[06:09] <Lathiat> wow havent played those games in...
[06:09] <Lathiat> a looong time
[06:10] <Yagisan> deng is the core engine, jdoom, jheretic and jhexen are plugins
[06:10] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: is multi-arch breezy+1 goal btw? :-)
[06:10] <siretart> I see
[06:10] <Yagisan> to play doom, you load the jdoom .so
[06:10] <sistpoty> btw.: does anyone happen to know something 'bout the idouts-dir on the id-software ftp?
[06:10] <Yagisan> sistpoty: no
[06:10] <Yagisan> it also helps with a DFSG problem
[06:11] <sistpoty> id has released doom and some other games there, but i couldn't do anything with the exe-files in there
[06:11] <Yagisan> I found the 64bit problem a while ago, and have tried a few patches from upstream
[06:11] <sistpoty> but i don't think, it's allowed to redistribute these
[06:12] <Yagisan> but it need a bit of work, and upstream is finishing his masters
[06:12] <Yagisan> so no major updates until northern hemisphere autumn
[06:12] <Nafallo> Yagisan: where lives upstream? :-)
[06:12] <Yagisan> finland
[06:13] <Nafallo> I was hoping on Sweden :-). Ericsson, death metal and doom would have been a great combo ;-)
[06:16] <Yagisan> anyone comapring the website I posted, and my suggests list will notice the package lists don't match
[06:17] <siretart> Yagisan: Did I understand that correctly, you are upstream of deng?
[06:17] <Yagisan> no
[06:17] <Yagisan> I am upstream packager
[06:17] <Nafallo> upstream finland, packager australia :-)
[06:17] <Yagisan> yep
[06:18] <Yagisan> I've been separating the resource packs, for smaller downloads of what the user would like
[06:19] <siretart> ah. I see
[06:19] <Yagisan> I've got a fantastic reportbug setup on those packages
[06:19] <Yagisan> if it breaks, it grabs everything needed to help fix it
[06:21] <siretart> Yagisan: I hope you don't intend to upload 300mb to revu ;)
[06:21] <siretart> Yagisan: in that case, I think we should handle your packages in another way. I think we can process them with the ExpandingUniverse task, without revu
[06:22] <Yagisan> siretart - no, sources only should be much less then that
[06:22] <siretart> ok
[06:22] <siretart> but I expect that packages are very similar, yes?
[06:23] <\sh> back
[06:23] <siretart> wb \sh
[06:23] <Yagisan> It is about 240MB of source but I expect to trim that, and most of it turns into arch -all
[06:24] <Yagisan> packages are rather similar
[06:24] <siretart> Yagisan: puh. thats still way too much to process them conviniently with revu
[06:24] <Nafallo> atleast deng builds on amd64
[06:24] <Yagisan> siretart: I know, but core engine needs to go in first
[06:25] <siretart> jupp
[06:25] <Yagisan> siretart: everything else is just data
[06:25] <siretart> I'm waiting for your new upload with *ubuntu* in its version :)
[06:25] <Yagisan> Nafallo, build yes, run no :( (I have amd64)
[06:26] <Yagisan> sireatart: it will arrive once I fix some lintian overides
[06:27] <Nafallo> let's see what goes wrong :-).
[06:35] <bddebian> Howdy
[06:36] <\sh> siretart: ping...u worked on vflib3?
[06:36] <siretart> \sh: sorry, I dont think so
[06:37] <\sh> ok...I had this bug on my bum anyways
[06:37] <siretart> ok
[06:52] <Nafallo> how do we normally solve warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size?
[06:53] <Nafallo> s/int/long/ ?
[06:53] <siretart> Nafallo: that happens to work in many cases
[06:53] <Nafallo> I know. but is it clean for !64-bit to? :-)
[06:53] <siretart> Nafallo: it depends every time on the case. most probably, the code should get a review
[06:54] <\sh> Nafallo: yes
[06:54] <siretart> Nafallo: yes
[06:54] <\sh> Nafallo: int == long on 32bit
[06:54] <Nafallo> \sh: ahh, nifty :-)
[06:54] <\sh> at least on x86 ,-)
[06:54] <Nafallo> I get lots of those in deng ;-)
[06:55] <siretart> there are some developers which assert sizeof(void*) = sizeof(int). thats definitly broken and should be fixed
[06:56] <Nafallo> yay! 293 of those errors ;-)
[06:56] <siretart> Yagisan: how many traffic do you expect from your deng/jdoom mirror?
[06:56] <siretart> many or much? hmm
[06:56] <siretart> alisher: ?
[06:56] <Yagisan> siretart: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/analog.html
[06:56] <\sh> ah did I say on hoary: suspend to ram and hibernate is working even with hotkeys?
[06:57] <siretart> Yagisan: how big is it?
[06:57] <Yagisan> my mirror is my home adsl line
[06:57] <Yagisan> gets quite a few hits perday
[06:58] <Yagisan> and a huge spike when I release a new version
[06:58] <Yagisan> (and I'm in Australia, do you know how slow internet is here!)
[06:59] <\sh> Yagisan: u need space and bandwidth?
[06:59] <Yagisan> only until the core gets into ubuntu
[07:01] <siretart> Yagisan: well, I think I could mirror some files for you at tauware.de. perhaps sh can, too
[07:02] <\sh> no prob...
[07:02] <Nafallo> Yagisan: you could change Architecture: any to !64-arches :-)
[07:02] <Yagisan> thanks. After I've done some work on the packages, I'll clean the repo up, and then we can set up some rsync magic
[07:02] <\sh> siretart: 4TB freetraffic from next month on :)
[07:03] <siretart> \sh: sounds great :)
[07:03] <ogra> YAY
[07:04] <\sh> ogra: yeah...for this month i've alread 230GB, last month it was 400GB ,-)
[07:04] <\sh> u don't name the "mozilla dreamweaver crap" ? ,-)
[07:04] <ogra> thats a bit more then the 2G hwdb draws every month :)
[07:04] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Will do, anyone want to build it on all other arches :)
[07:05] <ogra> \sh, i do... its my worst headache .... its a edubuntu requirement and i have to push it to main
[07:05] <\sh> ogra: my condolences
[07:05] <ogra> heh... to late, already fixed
[07:05] <Yagisan> Nafallo, so what exactly should I put in the arch line for !64nit, but everything else
[07:06] <Nafallo> i386, ppc I guess.
[07:06] <Nafallo> maybe sparc and hppa to? ;-)
[07:06] <jamessan|work> isn't ppc 64bit?
[07:06] <Yagisan> anyone with a spacr or ahppa want to test :)
[07:06] <Yagisan> no, ppc is 32bit
[07:06] <jamessan|work> I thought the powerbooks were
[07:06] <jamessan|work> hrm
[07:06] <Yagisan> ppc64 is different
[07:07] <jamessan|work> ah, ok
[07:07] <Yagisan> kernel 64bit, userspace 32
[07:07] <Yagisan> last time I checked there was no advantage in ppc64 over ppc
[07:08] <Yagisan> dumb question time. how do I override a heap of "binary-without-manpage" errors from lintian
[07:08] <jamessan|work> write manpages  ;)
[07:10] <Yagisan> not for libs!
[07:10] <Yagisan> internal libs, used only by deng, in deng directory
[07:11] <jamessan|work> why do you have a lib that's being detected as a binary?
[07:12] <Yagisan> most likely because the path to it is /usr/games/deng/lib
[07:14] <siretart> Yagisan: the sparc port is 32bit, too
[07:14] <siretart> ah, never mind
[07:15] <\sh> so sparc32
[07:16] <\sh> Yagisan: shlib magic
[07:16] <Yagisan> sparc32 is the arch line ?
[07:16] <\sh> we don't support sparc, right?
[07:16] <siretart> Yagisan: /usr/games/lib/deng? where have you seen that?
[07:17] <siretart> Yagisan: I feel its wrong and should rather go to /usr/lib/deng, but I can be wrong, too
[07:17] <Yagisan> siretart: path is /usr/games/deng/lib
[07:18] <Yagisan> deng would rather dump it all in /usr/lib
[07:18] <Yagisan> ick
[07:18] <siretart> Yagisan: which seems to me more sane.. I'm not sure if /usr/games/.../lib is right
[07:18] <siretart> Yagisan: but feel free to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[07:19] <Yagisan> well, while in theory other apps could use the libs, in practice nothing does
[07:20] <Yagisan> that and the libs would not work with other versions
[07:22] <\sh> siretart: remember this pacman clone?
[07:23] <siretart> \sh: pacman clone? sorry?
[07:25] <\sh> siretart: the package I made the last time?
[07:25] <\sh> dunno the name anymore *lol*
[07:29] <siretart> \sh: aaah, sure
[07:29] <siretart> \sh: is it already uploaded?
[07:29] <\sh> i don't think so
[07:29] <siretart> I remember.. what was the name
[07:30] <siretart> something with n
[07:30] <siretart> njam?
[07:30] <\sh> yes :)
[07:30] <siretart> ah :)
[07:30] <\sh> I have to get it from my rootie
[07:30] <siretart> :)
[07:33] <\sh> but first i have to fix this vflib3
[08:04] <\sh> re
[08:06] <derek> are there plans for a newer hula package?
[08:10] <ogra> derek, herzi did the last one for us, i dont know if he prepared a new one
[08:10] <ogra> there was not much response or inteest in it it in the last release seems...
[08:11] <Nafallo> siretart, \sh: how is long handled in windows? the package is for both operative systems
[08:11] <derek> ogra: alright, i was just wondering, thanks
[08:11] <\sh> Nafallo: same
[08:11] <Yagisan> Nafallo: and mac
[08:11] <\sh> Nafallo: but win32!=win64
[08:11] <ogra> derek, if you want a new one, poke herzi :)
[08:12] <Yagisan> win64 should be different
[08:13] <derek> ogra: bit that big of a deal, i just use it for play, not mature enough for my email server yet :)
[08:13] <Nafallo> if int should be long we should just have to edit the files then ;-)
[08:13] <ogra> hehm thats what i hear everywhere
[08:13] <ogra> :)
[08:13] <derek> another question i have is with jabberd, are you all familiar with it?
[08:14] <ogra> derek, \sh's country :)
[08:14] <\sh> whats up with jabberd
[08:15] <\sh> 1 or 2?
[08:15] <derek> \sh: either or
[08:15] <derek> i have a usage question
[08:15] <derek> i want to deploy it in my small company
[08:15] <derek> and i want a global buddy list (so everyone is on everyone else's
[08:15] <derek> )
[08:15] <derek> is that possible
[08:15] <\sh> yes/no ,-)
[08:16] <derek> \sh: GREAT answer :)
[08:16] <\sh> without jabberadmin work no ways :)
[08:16] <\sh> u can have shared rosters yes, but u have to put them into the roster by hand
[08:16] <derek> hmm, alright
[08:16] <\sh> I would say, tryout ejabberd
[08:16] <\sh> I'll tell you why:
[08:17] <\sh> jabberd is old and in the next couple of months obsolete
[08:17] <\sh> jabberd2 has some pitfalls and issues with utf8
[08:17] <\sh> ejabberd is written Erlangen, but works out of the box .. the config is != XML and it has a build in webadmin featureset and even http polling
[08:18] <derek> ok
[08:18] <derek> how easy is it to confiugre?
[08:18] <\sh> I'm running it on my public jabber service now and I don't have any problems just like with jabberd2
[08:18] <\sh> easy
[08:18] <\sh> if u do the first config by hand, then u can do the rest via webadmin
[08:18] <\sh> it has all nifty modules like pubsub etc. included
[08:18] <derek> ok
[08:18] <derek> and it has all the transports/
[08:19] <\sh> no
[08:19] <\sh> the transports are addons.
[08:19] <derek> right, but they all work with it?
[08:19] <\sh> I'm using pyicq-t, pyaim-t and pymsn-t
[08:19] <\sh> yes
[08:19] <derek> do the aim/msn transports support server side buddylists yet?
[08:19] <\sh> yahoo is a bit tricky...I have to build a package for it to include in breezy+1
[08:20] <derek> heh ok
[08:20] <derek> what bout serverside bl's?
[08:21] <\sh> bl?
[08:21] <derek>  buddylists
[08:21] <derek> for aim/msn
[08:21] <\sh> ah no problem with it :)
[08:21] <\sh> but they won't be updated if you include new buddies
[08:22] <\sh> (the native serverside buddylists)
[08:22] <derek> oh, so if i add a buddy through aim, then sign on to jabber with transports, they won't be fixed?
[08:22] <derek> *updated?
[08:22] <\sh> if you add a new buddy to aim...they will be updated through the transport
[08:22] <\sh> but if you add a new aim-buddy with your jabber client, they won't be updated at aims server
[08:22] <derek> ohh, ok,,, thats not horrible
[08:24] <derek> if only i could get ejabberd to authenticate via my ad or nt5 domains
[08:24] <\sh> hmmm..ldap is in the new version
[08:25] <\sh> if you can export your active directory to openldap no problem
[08:25] <derek> haha yeah, but then it has to be exported everytime a change is made
[08:25] <torkel> Would it be possible to get a sync of openafs from Sid so there is at least a chance of having a working afs-client in Breezy? or is that to late?
[08:26] <siretart> sistpoty: I fiddled a bit at the apache on tauware
[08:26] <\sh> derek: that's a problem of AD :) I mean, u don't have to change anything on the OpenLDAP site...it should only be synced automatically
[08:26] <siretart> sistpoty: now http://siretart.tauware.de/svn/revu2/trunk publicy accessible :)
[08:27] <derek> \sh: true
[08:28] <\sh> derek: but forget AD..the data u have to provide is simple...about how many users are we talking?
[08:28] <derek> 15-20
[08:30] <derek>  \sh: also, which jabber client do you reccomend?
[08:30] <\sh> derek: native jabber?
[08:30] <derek> yeah
[08:30] <\sh> derek: psi
[08:30] <derek> what about gtk :)
[08:30] <\sh> or tkabber
[08:31] <\sh> derek: well...that's the problem...I didn't find a gtk/gnome jabber client with all the features of psi
[08:31] <\sh> tkabber (tcl/tk) is an alternative..but occupies the screen
[08:31] <derek> hmm, ok
[08:31] <\sh> psi is doing the work here even on gnome...
[08:31] <derek> but that means that qt libraries have to be installed
[08:31] <\sh> or u can try exodus with wine *lol*
[08:32] <\sh> yes...
[08:32] <\sh> but only qt
[08:32] <derek> thats true, so its not as bad as kde.... so what does psi have that the others don't?
[08:32] <Nafallo> \sh: you should port psi then :-)
[08:32] <\sh> service discovery (xmpp 1.0)
[08:33] <\sh> old ssl style login
[08:33] <\sh> gpg functionality
[08:33] <derek> service discovery?
[08:33] <\sh> yes...transports etc. are not defined directly with the names etc. inside the server (like jabberd1 does)
[08:33] <derek> gpg functionality to make it secure?
[08:33] <\sh> gpg for secure client2client communications
[08:34] <derek> eyah
[08:34] <derek> both sides need that though
[08:34] <\sh> yes
[08:34] <\sh> ssl is only for client2server communications
[08:34] <\sh> but between server2server the communicationchannels are free2air ,-)
[08:34] <derek> oh, so it encrypts so server can't log
[08:34] <\sh> yes
[08:35] <derek> woudl you reccomend psi for windows machines also?
[08:35] <siretart> psi is 'just' qt?
[08:36] <\sh> and service discovery means, that most of the services like JUD (Jabber User Directory), MUC (MultiUserChat), ICQ/pubsub etc. pp. are setting their own name, and the client is sending out an xml request to server, the server sends it to the services and the service is answering for itself
[08:36] <derek> ohh cool
[08:36] <\sh> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7), libqca1c2, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.0-7), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
[08:36] <\sh> yes
[08:36] <\sh> derek: it's the new xmpp 1.0 spec
[08:37] <Nafallo> \sh: you should port psi to gtk then :-)
[08:37] <\sh> derek: psi will have in the next release (I hope so) even SRV REC recognition and TLS connects (so the old SSL login style is deprecated)
[08:37] <\sh> Nafallo: no ways...
[08:38] <Nafallo> \sh: we want it for dotUbuntu ;-)
[08:38] <\sh> Nafallo: gaim should throw away all external IMs like ICQ etc. and should import some good transport jabber handling ;)
[08:38] <Nafallo> \sh: which is shtoom, with means its your table ;-)
[08:38] <derek> \sh: but would you reccomend psi for windows users also/
[08:38] <\sh> derek: yes...psi or exodus..depends, psi runs on unix/windows and mac os x
[08:39] <\sh> exodus only on windows
[08:39] <derek> ohh ok
[08:39] <\sh> but the functionality between psi and exodus is mostly the same
[08:39] <\sh> the most powerful client is even tkabber
[08:39] <\sh> but from a usability point of view, useless ,-)
[08:39] <\sh> but works nicely together with ejabberd, cause it comes from the same development crew
[08:40] <derek> haha
[08:40] <\sh> and it supports natively pubsub services
[08:40] <\sh> Nafallo: what we need is SIP+Jabber Client
[08:40] <\sh> or a native SIP transport for Jabber Servers
[08:41] <Nafallo> \sh: so then you will work on shtoom a bit more then what the spec says then? :-)
[08:41] <\sh> SER has a jabber service functionality insdie
[08:41] <\sh> inside
[08:41] <derek> \sh: so i think maybe i will deploy a psi solution :)
[08:41] <siretart> *bling* SIP?! for jabber?
[08:41] <\sh> siretart: code it fast hurry up ,-)
[08:41] <siretart> how should that work?
[08:41] <\sh> easy
[08:41] <\sh> jabber is xml stream transport
[08:42] <\sh> so the functionality is the same as for smtp2jabber and vice versa
[08:42] <Nafallo> smtp2jabber?
[08:43] <Nafallo> postfix logs? :-)
[08:43] <siretart> hm. so jabber clients would have to integrate an SIP client?
[08:43] <\sh> you frickle the SIP headers inside a xml service package, and send it to a SIP service for the jabber, this service removes the xml headers, send it to the next sip router
[08:43] <\sh> siretart: well...something like this, or the transport service acts as a sip client itself...just like the icq or aim ones
[08:44] <siretart> hm
[08:44] <siretart> still sounds like vodoo to me ;)
[08:44] <\sh> so the data transfer between e.g. sipgate.de and your jabber server comes only from the transport and redirects all to the jabber client, which can handle this special xml stream package
[08:44] <\sh> siretart: peter and the others from jabber.org are working on a spec for it :)
[08:45] <\sh> siretart: ulrich staudinger (manager at united internet) and jabber foundation board member are happy to see this coming :)
[08:45] <siretart> \sh: with integration of gnomemeeting, that would be great :)
[08:45] <siretart> hehe
[08:45] <\sh> siretart: for what? h323 over jabber is the next step
[08:45] <siretart> ah
[08:46] <\sh> and there is one client who is able to do h.323 natively with jabber support...so the chat comes via jabber and the video via direct client2client h.323 ,-)
[08:46] <Nafallo> wasn't gnomemeeting about to get support for SIP?
[08:46] <\sh> yes
[08:46] <\sh> but video + sip will be handled differently
[08:46] <Nafallo> is that feature in breezy? :-)
[08:46] <\sh> Nafallo: go away ,-)
[08:46] <Nafallo> \sh: hehehe
[08:47] <\sh> wow...that was a long interessting chat about jabbre
[08:47] <\sh> -re+er
[08:48] <\sh> Nafallo: can I put you on the goals list for shtoom+voip?
[08:49] <\sh> or should I talk to JaneW that she's using her whip on you? ,-)
[08:49] <Nafallo> \sh: what now? :-)
[08:49] <Nafallo> \sh: what shall I do with it? :-)
[08:49] <\sh> Nafallo: you can help me for breezy+1
[08:50] <Nafallo> \sh: I'm already on that list AFAIK? :-)
[08:50] <\sh> ogra: u need a faster i-connection ,-)
[08:50] <ogra> \sh, yes, after i moved out of NRW
[08:51] <\sh> oh yes
[08:51] <\sh> Nafallo: oh yes
[08:51] <Nafallo> hehe
[08:51] <\sh> ogra: wanna have my flat? it has 4Mbit/s down / 442kbit/s up
[08:52] <\sh> hmmm..
[08:52] <ogra> \sh, how many animals can i get in there ? we want a donkey and some goats in the next house
[08:52] <\sh> marks email address?
[08:52] <ogra><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[08:52] <\sh> ogra: come on...u r working on linux...how can u ride there a donkey
[08:52] <\sh> dunno...ok
[08:52] <\sh> well...
[08:53] <ogra> \sh, why should i ride it ?
[08:53] <\sh> a donkey can kick ass...if you don't function properly ,-)
[08:53] <ogra> hehe, yes
[08:53] <\sh> ogra: what r u doing then with a donkey?
[08:53] <\sh> eat it?
[08:53] <\sh> *eg*
[08:53] <ogra> nah..
[08:53] <ogra> no idea, really...
[08:53] <siretart> donkey salami? ;)
[08:53] <\sh> hihihi
[08:53] <ogra> just care for it, have it around, live with it
[08:54] <\sh> damn...I just got a flash of laughing
[08:54] <ogra> but first i have to find someone for the kittens
[08:54] <\sh> ian has 2 now...I will ask him, if he needs more
[08:54] <ogra> they will be born at breezy release time ... breezy badgr kittens
[08:55] <\sh> I would really love to have a little cat again..but not in this flat, not when I'm alone...no
[08:58] <\sh> nice...i can have this usb dvd burner for the weekend...I love dmitry
[09:04] <\sh> ok...I will install breezy daily iso now...so I have to shutdown my network now :) hope this yukon ethernet device can handle X-UTP-Cables
[09:04] <\sh> laters dude
[09:34] <sistpoty> <- in the kitchen, getFood()... cya later
[09:35] <torkel> ogra: would it be possible to get a sync of openafs from Sid so there is at least a chance of having a working afs client in Breezy? or is that to late?
[09:36] <derek> \sh_away: i installed the aimtransport on ejabber, can't figure out how to actually sign on. I connect to the transport and i have to give a host,room and nickname
[09:36] <siretart> torkel: whats the problem with the current openafs in breezy?
[09:36] <siretart> (never had a look at that)
[09:37] <ogra> torkel, its quite late, but i can try...
[09:37] <torkel> siretart: among others it does not compile with 2.6.12...
[09:38] <ogra> if it fixes ftbfs that would be a good one
[09:38] <torkel> ogra: that would be great
[09:38] <\sh> back
[09:38] <siretart> err, I'd consider a sync to get it work a pretty valid reason
[09:38] <siretart> even built/installable
[09:38] <ogra> yep
[09:38] <derek> \sh: did you see my problme?
[09:43] <derek> \sh: nm, i figured it out
[09:43] <\sh> grmpf
[09:43] <\sh> i should disable the dhcp server
[09:43] <derek> lol
[09:43] <\sh> then it doesn't destroy my dsl connection at all
[09:43] <\sh> *grmpf*
[09:44] <\sh> derek: what was the problem?
[09:44] <derek> i had trouble wiht the transport
[09:44] <derek> i got ti working
[09:44] <derek> for aim transport, i have to authorize ALL of my buddies?
[09:45] <\sh> sure
[09:45] <derek> heh
[09:45] <\sh> sure
[09:45] <\sh> even for icq
[09:45] <\sh> and msn
[09:45] <derek> thats a pain
[09:47] <\sh> brb
[09:57] <derek> \sh: jabber is pretty cool! i can sign in at multiple places at once, does it send messages to multiple places?
[09:57] <\sh> derek: sure...if you select your contacts on one server it send to all of them a message
[09:58] <ajmitch> morning
[09:58] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[09:58] <\sh> and switching between uk layout and de layout is a minus for me
[09:59] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[09:59] <ajmitch> what's up?
[10:00] <Yagisan> morning
[10:00] <derek> so, if i am signed on through psi, gossip, and gaim, and someone im's me, i recieve it on all three?
[10:00] <ajmitch> hi
[10:00] <ajmitch> aha, today is review day! :)
[10:01] <\sh> derek: well....normally yes...if someone sends u a message on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(and your resource is psi) then it will only received on the Psi resource
[10:01] <\sh> but if you provide the same resource on all three, then it determines the priority
[10:01] <\sh> set it to 5 on all with the same resource and try
[10:01] <derek> oh, ok, what about if someone on aim sends me a message? will it go to all 3?
[10:02] <\sh> no...all external transports can only be signed in once
[10:02] <derek> so which does it chose?
[10:02] <derek> the only one i sign on on
[10:02] <derek> got it
[10:02] <\sh> so if you connect first with gossip, and try to connect your account with psi...then gossip will lose the connection to the aim transport and psi takes over
[10:03] <\sh> derek: multiple connects same resource same prio works only with jabber itself
[10:03] <derek> ohh cool
[10:04] <derek> i want to make a personal jabber server.... too bad my connection sucks
[10:04] <\sh> the transports are acting like a single icq/aim/msn/yahoo client
[10:04] <\sh> if you need more icq accounts on one account, you have to setup multiple instances of one transport
[10:04] <derek> so if i login with 2 clients, and i login to the transport on both clients....
[10:04] <\sh> derek: use mine :)
[10:05] <derek> \sh: i want the experience of running my own server
[10:05] <\sh> derek: the latest connect will win, and the first connect loses the connection to the transport
[10:05] <derek> \sh: ohhh, so if i just add a bunch of instances of that one transport, i should be fine
[10:06] <derek> \sh: i want a vds to run a mail
[10:06] <derek> server on
[10:06] <derek> and webserver
[10:06] <derek> now jabber too!
[10:06] <\sh> derek: yeah..but it takes memory and ports
[10:06] <derek> \sh: right
[10:06] <\sh> derek: so every instance of one transport needs a new port number assigned
[10:07] <\sh> the discovery is done via psi or tkabber or exodus
[10:07] <derek> so thats why most public servers don't have many transports?
[10:07] <derek> uses too many ports?
[10:07] <\sh> derek: yes and no...most servers are allowing only one icq/aim/msn/yahoo connect
[10:07] <\sh> per user
[10:07] <derek>  yeah, makes sense
[10:07] <\sh> and thats enough
[10:07] <derek> hwo do i make a user an admin?
[10:08] <\sh> but there are also some legal issues
[10:08] <derek> legal issues?
[10:08] <\sh> u set it in the configuration
[10:08] <\sh> yes...you can
[10:08] <derek> i can't login to the admin
[10:08] <\sh> you can't offer commercial services with the aim,icq,msn etc. protocols
[10:08] <derek> ohh, gotcha
[10:08] <\sh> derek: ejabberd?
[10:09] <derek> yeah
[10:09] <derek> i can't login to the webadmin without an admin account
[10:09] <\sh> {acl, admin, {user, "sh"}}.
[10:09] <\sh> thats the admin
[10:09] <derek> where do i do that?
[10:09] <\sh> and the admin account for webamdin is sh@<first jabber domain>
[10:09] <\sh> in ejabberd.cfg
[10:10] <derek> gotcha
[10:10] <\sh> sh is me
[10:10] <derek> hehe yeha
[10:14] <derek> \sh: it also keeps track of offline messages (obviously not of transports, but of jabber)
[10:14] <\sh> yes...
[10:14] <\sh> derek: offline messages are handled by the propietary protocol servers
[10:15] <derek> \sh: what do you mean?
[10:15] <\sh> derek: icq handles offline messages directly on their servers
[10:16] <derek> right, jabber has it on its servers though
[10:16] <\sh> if someones not online in icq, the message is send to the icq server and later when the contact comes online the server determines this and send the message
[10:16] <\sh> derek: right...jabber handles this also with the server
[10:16] <derek> cool
[10:16] <derek> so if i send an offline message to your server, it is stored on your server not mine right?
[10:18] <\sh> yes
[10:18] <derek>  cool
[10:36] <derek> \sh: is it possible to hide offline buddys in psi?
[10:37] <\sh> yes
[10:37] <derek> do you know offhand how?
[10:37] <\sh> the first button in the top line left
[10:37] <derek> oh that works :)
[10:39] <derek> \sh: jabber is great, thank you soo much for all your help!
[10:39] <\sh> derek: u r welcome...
[10:51] <Treenaks> Shall I take a picture of the Turkish eating house "Kismet" tomorrow? :)
[10:53] <Nafallo> lol
[10:55] <\sh> Treenaks: u r in turkey now?
[10:55] <Treenaks> \sh: no, Amsterdam has Turkish eating houses :)
[10:55] <Treenaks> \sh: lots of them
[10:56] <\sh> kebap houses
[10:56] <Treenaks> \sh: stuff like that, yeah
[10:56] <\sh> or as we in germany are saying: doenerstube
[11:01] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I hope to make multiarch one at least, yes.
[11:01] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: what's the goal?
[11:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: games :-)
[11:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/deng-errors.txt :-P
[11:03] <Mithrandir> there's not really many linux games, at least not if you talk about commercial ones. :-(
[11:05] <Nafallo> more about deng :-)
[11:05] <Mithrandir> oh, joy, which game is that?
[11:06] <siretart> a free doom clone
[11:07] <Nafallo> and heretic, and hexen, and and and :-)
[11:07] <Nafallo> I'm trying to find the homepage :-)
[11:07] <Yagisan> look at my website
[11:08] <Yagisan> linked from here http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html
[11:08] <Yagisan> upstream homepage is out of date
[11:08] <Nafallo> that site yes :-)
[11:09] <Nafallo> Yagisan: Mithrandir is our amd64 god :-)
[11:09] <Yagisan> :)
[11:09] <Mithrandir> heh ;-)
[11:10] <Mithrandir> that seems mostly fixable, though
[11:10] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: just try to make those 293 cast-warnings to longs? ;-)
[11:11] <\sh> Mithrandir: ah yes...U want only to play a doom clone on amd64 ;)
[11:11] <Nafallo> it builds, it just that it can't run ;-)
[11:11] <Mithrandir> I guess this is universe, right? :-)
[11:11] <Nafallo> and multiverse
[11:11] <Nafallo> you got free time in the weekend ;-)
[11:12] <Mithrandir> :-P
[11:12] <Mithrandir> well, I doubt I'm going to spend much time on it, there's plenty of RC bugs still left.
[11:13] <Nafallo> hehe, then I'll look at it and we make the package !64-bit atm? ;-)
[11:15] <Mithrandir> just leave it failing for now, I guess.
[11:16] <Nafallo> Yagisan: you heard the god :-)
[11:16] <Nafallo> Yagisan: I'll file bugs on you when it's in the archive ;-)
[11:17] <Yagisan> sobs, you hate my package :'(
[11:17] <Nafallo> lol
[11:17] <Yagisan> lol
[11:17] <Yagisan> I fixed the control, it won't try to build on amd64 now
[11:17] <Yagisan> so no (new) bugs for me
[11:17] <Nafallo> baah, then I can't file bugs ;-)
[11:18] <Yagisan> yes you can, load heretic, get to level 2, save, then try to load, instant seg fault
[11:19] <Nafallo> haha
[11:19] <Nafallo> I won't even be able to run it ;-)
[11:30] <Yagisan> siretart: Mind if I upload the 7 deng iwad installers to revu (only 200k total) ?
[11:30] <siretart> Yagisan: sure
[11:30] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks, though I should ask before bulk uploading
[11:31] <Nafallo> Yagisan: more fun to let siretart nuke you though ;-)
[11:32] <Yagisan> Nafallo: :) If I sent my entire repo, he would
[11:33] <Yagisan> OK, any i386 or ppc people with an appropriate iwad can now use the deng package with menus.
[11:37] <ajmitch> Yagisan: great - I haven't managed to get to the ppc box & test yet :)
[11:39] <Yagisan> ajmitch: no problems :) package is much improved since you saw it last (I wrote some up to date documentation)
[11:41] <Yagisan> any deng packages testers, there is a reportbug script setup in the package, please run reportbug to report
[11:41] <Yagisan> success or failures. WRT failures, deng deletes its logs on startup, so run reportbug after it crashes. Thanks
[11:42] <kezz> whats deng?
[11:43] <Yagisan> kezz: doom sourceport.
[11:44] <kezz> ah thanks
[11:44] <kezz> i'll try it
[11:44] <Yagisan> kezz: thanks, it's at revu
[11:44] <kezz> k
[11:50] <opi> review day is today? :(
[11:51] <opi> I'm fixing qemu package, but I don't know if I'll manage to put it together today, bah
[11:53] <ajmitch> yes, review day is today, but that doesn't stop us from reviewing any other time :)
[11:53] <opi> yeah ;)
[11:53] <opi> but since you're going to be at it


[06:15] <ducasse> good morning
[06:25] <EriC^^> good morning all
[07:02] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/41.0/
[18:37] <Mekaneck> Allie: i talked to the Op of #linux-offtopic, he said he can't do much about the ban evading and the behaviour of mundelj. He also said i should turn to the Libera staff about the matter.


[08:10] <WOLFEYES> Morning everyone...
[08:11] <WOLFEYES> Sorry it has been a while but I been a bit busy.
[08:22] <charlvn> ohayo WOLFEYES
[08:23] <WOLFEYES> Heya :-)
[08:30] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[08:30] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[08:30] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[08:31] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[08:34] <bakuman> hi Kilos
[08:34] <Kilos> yo bakuman
[08:37] <Kilos> môre inetpro
[08:42] <WOLFEYES> Heya Kilos
[08:42] <Kilos> gc coffee on
[08:42]  * gc puts the kettle on
[08:42] <Kilos> hey WOLFEYES
[08:42] <WOLFEYES> gc ? Lol. Is he an update lol.
[08:42] <gc> WOLFEYES: If you say so
[08:42] <WOLFEYES> hehe
[08:43] <Kilos> gc is a stanby bot for if maaz crashes
[08:46] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:46] <Kilos> gc ty
[08:46] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[08:46] <bakuman> lol
[08:52] <WOLFEYES> lol
[08:53] <WOLFEYES> So does this mean Maaz_ must redo his lisence if he crashed lol.
[08:54] <Kilos> no when one gets back here after being disconnected before a 256sec timeout you come back with your second choice nick
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz_, fix your nick
[08:54] <Maaz_> Kilos: *blink*
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz_, nick
[08:54] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sorry...
[08:55] <Kilos> sigh
[08:57] <WOLFEYES> lol
[09:01] <Kilos> hiya sdehaan
[09:08] <Kilos> bbl. be good all
[09:26] <WOLFEYES> cheers all seeya later.
[11:18] <inetpro> Maaz_: tell Kilos I say hi
[11:18] <Maaz_> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[11:46] <inetpro> good mornings to everyone else
[12:06] <charlvn> ohayo inetpro
[12:06] <charlvn> hoe gaan dit
[12:06] <charlvn> btw mornings?
[12:07] <inetpro> charlvn: heh
[12:07] <inetpro> still feels like morning on this side
[12:07] <charlvn> ah i see, you just got up out of bed right? ;)
[12:07] <charlvn> you work from home i see :P
[12:07] <inetpro> to much to do still
[12:07] <charlvn> ah yes, i know the feeling
[12:07]  * inetpro works from work
[12:08] <inetpro> and from home
[12:08] <charlvn> these days you can work from home and telehobby from work
[12:08] <charlvn> where you are is pretty-much becoming irrelevant
[12:11]  * inetpro hates MS product activation procedure
[12:11] <inetpro> installed a copy of WinXP on a VM some time ago for testing rare stuffs in a win environment
[12:12] <inetpro> now I just tried starting the machine and can't even work on it anymore... before first activating
[12:12] <inetpro> only to find the MS numbers not working
[12:16] <charlvn> i use microsoft's own IE application compatibility vpc images and i even get those warnings
[12:17] <charlvn> apparently they couldn't just disable those even for their own virtual machines
[12:23]  * inetpro got through to Toll-free: (0) (801) 43 43 43
[12:23] <inetpro> sadly after entering the key it tells me that I may be a victim of fraud
[12:24] <inetpro> while it is a valid copy from some years ago...
[12:45] <charlvn> :D
[12:46] <charlvn> i would have told you to Just Crack It (TM) but that is illegal and i obviously don't promote or endorse illegal activity
[12:46] <charlvn> sheesh i sound like a corporate lawyer
[15:03] <kbmonkey> hi!
[15:05] <Banlam> ho!
[15:06] <kbmonkey> how goes it Banlam?
[15:07] <Banlam> good thanks, had a bit of a relaxing last week
[15:07] <Banlam> yourself?
[15:07] <kbmonkey> too much gin over the weekend. back at work all good
[15:08] <Banlam> heh
[15:09] <kbmonkey> heh in deed :]
[15:12]  * Banlam has never really drunk gin
[15:20] <kbmonkey> it wasn't my fault. my sister made me do it.
[15:20] <kbmonkey> i can safely advise not to try it
[15:20] <kbmonkey> ;)
[15:21] <Banlam> pfft
[15:21] <Banlam> boring
[16:04] <mazal> Evening all
[16:04] <superfly> hi mazal
[16:04] <mazal> Everyone good this evening ?
[16:06]  * tumbleweed waves from UDS
[16:11] <superfly> hey tumbleweed!
[16:11] <superfly> mazal: yep
[16:11] <tumbleweed> anyone watching the vide ostream?
[16:17] <superfly> no, didn't know there was one
[16:17] <tumbleweed> video.ubuntu.com/live
[16:17] <tumbleweed> mark's just about to start talking
[16:18] <superfly> he still sounds south african!
[16:22] <superfly> hrm, that's not working very well :-(
[16:23] <tumbleweed> apparently there's trouble...
[17:33]  * Kilos greets all of you
[17:36] <Kilos> yo superfly all well there?
[17:36] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:36] <superfly> all well here
[17:36] <Kilos> good
[17:36] <Kilos> zeref, you here?
[17:44] <Mezenir> howdy everyone
[17:44] <Kilos> hi Mezenir howzit
[17:46] <Mezenir> pretty good :)
[17:47] <Mezenir> you ?
[17:47] <Kilos> good too ty
[17:47] <mazal> Lo Mezenir
[17:48] <superfly> heya Mezenir
[17:50] <Mezenir> what was that about a release party superfly ?
[17:50] <superfly> Mezenir: we had a release party on the 27th at UCT
[17:50] <Mezenir> ah ok
[17:51] <superfly> It was announced on the mailing list
[17:52] <Mezenir> mmm
[17:52] <Mezenir> i dont think i did that subscription quite right
[17:53] <Mezenir> will look again sometime
[17:53] <Mezenir> i only receive digests it seems
[17:53] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[17:54] <superfly> Mezenir: ah
[17:54] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:54] <psydroid> hi superfly
[17:54] <psydroid> hi Mezenir
[17:54] <superfly> heya psydroid
[17:55] <psydroid> I installed the latest ubuntu on my 10 year old laptop
[17:55] <psydroid> of course I disabled unity
[17:55] <Kilos> and everything works psydroid ?
[17:55] <Mezenir> hi psydroid
[17:55] <psydroid> I have just two problems
[17:55] <Kilos> ha ha
[17:56] <psydroid> Kilos, the full resolution isn't supported and I can't get Flash to work
[17:56] <psydroid> but hopefully the rest works
[17:57] <psydroid> it's not slower than 10.04 at least
[17:57] <Kilos> must just be some things you still gotta install
[17:57] <Kilos> thats good to here
[17:58] <Kilos> but 10.04 was a bit slower than 10.10
[17:58] <Mezenir> for low end machines lubuntu is nice
[17:59] <Mezenir> are you trying to use flash with firefox
[17:59] <Mezenir> ?
[17:59] <Kilos> if you got uncapped ya Mezenir
[18:00] <Mezenir> well
[18:01] <Mezenir> its the same size as ubuntu
[18:01] <Mezenir> but yes probably more than upgrading
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah only you have to download the iso as well
[18:01] <Kilos> ubuntu one can get cds
[18:03] <Mezenir> how much are the cds
[18:03] <Kilos> they get sent to the different centres and you pick one up
[18:04] <Mezenir> thats cool
[18:04] <Kilos> yeah just about everything about ubuntu is cool
[18:05] <Mezenir> haha
[18:05] <Mezenir> read a funny comment about the rasspberry pi today
[18:05] <psydroid> it doesn't work in Chrome either
[18:05] <Mezenir> "now you can get a full pc and os cheaper than a microsoft windows license"
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> psydroid, have you looked in synaptic or software centre and typed in flash
[18:06] <Mezenir> well psydroid long story short i had to download the latest version from the adobe labs
[18:07] <Mezenir> and i used a flashaid plugin for firefox to do it
[18:07] <Mezenir> the version that came with ubuntu didnt work for me
[18:11] <psydroid> Mezenir, I see, I will do that too
[18:12] <psydroid> I just didn't realise the normal release version wouldn't work
[18:12] <charlvn> flashplugin-installer is the name of the package
[18:12] <charlvn> if you selected to install 3rd party software during the installation that should also have done it
[18:13] <Mezenir> that being said i had this problem in 11.10
[18:13] <Mezenir> not sure if it applies to 12.04
[18:13] <charlvn> never had problems with either myself
[18:13] <charlvn> are you using 64-bit?
[18:13] <Mezenir> but i did use the flashplugin-installer package
[18:14] <Mezenir> yes it was
[18:14] <charlvn> strange, never had issues
[18:14] <charlvn> you're not using a proxy server or something weird are you?
[18:14] <Mezenir> nope
[18:14] <charlvn> the package is actually a nonsense package because all it does is it downloads flash using wget
[18:14] <charlvn> the package itself doesn't include flash
[18:14] <Mezenir> yeah
[18:15] <charlvn> it's just a script really
[18:15] <charlvn> which is also why it's so small
[18:15] <charlvn> i think they have to do that due to legal reasons or something
[18:15] <Mezenir> yes
[18:15] <Mezenir> but since updating flash fixed it
[18:15] <charlvn> and as much as i hate flash, i need it because i play a ton of online video on various websites
[18:16] <Mezenir> i guess its a problem on their side
[18:16] <charlvn> yeah flash had some major security hole or something recently
[18:16] <charlvn> who knows
[18:16] <Mezenir> thou it does not apply to everyone it seems
[18:16] <charlvn> yeah definitely doesn't apply to me in any case
[18:16] <charlvn> never had trouble with the package on either debian or ubuntu
[18:16] <Mezenir> yeah hopefully html5 will replace flash soon
[18:16] <charlvn> on debian it's a slightly different name - flashplugin-nonfree or so
[18:16] <Mezenir> i heard mac doesnt even support flash
[18:16] <psydroid> yeah, hmtl5 works fine
[18:17] <Mezenir> go steve jobs
[18:17] <charlvn> yeah i really hope html kicks flash's butt
[18:17] <charlvn> that's the one good thing that apple did for all of us - resist flash even though it might have some somewhat hypocritical on their part
[18:17] <charlvn> but even adobe is creating "html5" authoring tools
[18:24] <superfly> With browsers' very patchy support for "html5" it's pretty much a moving target at the moment
[18:25] <superfly> Inconsistent implementations, incomplete implementations, and no actual standard yet either makes it very difficult to implement something that comes close to flash
[18:26] <psydroid> but Adobe has already decided to stop support for anything related to Linux, so there is not much of a choice, anyway
[18:28] <Kilos> thats not nice of them
[18:28] <Kilos> they will be the losers in the long run
[18:29] <psydroid> I think they know it too
[18:29] <Kilos> someone else will design something for linux thats better
[18:31] <charlvn> well there's gnash but i've had mixed results with that in the past
[18:31] <Kilos> adobe was always convenient because it was already done but when there is no option the linux peeps will get together and sort the prob out
[18:32] <charlvn> but at this point the only thing i still use flash for is playing videos so as long as it supports that, i couldn't care less about the rest
[18:32] <charlvn> lets face it, that is about the only truly useful feature of flash these days, and that's also getting slowly replaced with html video
[18:32] <charlvn> youtube has already implemented it and it works really well
[18:33] <Kilos> mmm isnt there something with medibuntu that helps with video watching
[18:33] <Kilos> ah so there is an alternative going already
[18:34] <charlvn> hold on a second, let's get some context here
[18:34] <charlvn> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html
[18:35] <Kilos> is that a clean text blog page charlvn or are there pictures and things
[18:35] <Kilos> oh i can wget it hey/
[18:35] <charlvn> pretty much just clean text, why?
[18:35] <charlvn> or just lynx/links it
[18:36] <Kilos> no data to waste on stuff thats not relevant to working machine at the mo
[18:36] <charlvn> ah i see ok
[18:36] <superfly> charlvn: Kilos uses GPRS and doesn't have money to download lots of stuff
[18:36] <charlvn> lynx/links ftw
[18:36] <Kilos> isnt wget even better?
[18:36] <charlvn> on a related note, for those not on gprs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjR40_-ev4
[18:37] <Mezenir> lynx is a minimal browser
[18:37] <charlvn> a small project i had a bit of involvement in actually
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: lynx/links is a browser, wget is not
[18:37] <Kilos> yip superfly  but i mean data use wise
[18:37] <charlvn> should be the same i believe
[18:37] <charlvn> it only renders text right?
[18:37] <Kilos> then i can open it with epiphany when offline
[18:38] <charlvn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29
[18:38] <charlvn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_%28web_browser%29
[18:38] <Mezenir> kilos
[18:38] <Mezenir> should i paste you the article ?
[18:38] <Mezenir> its about 5 paragraphs
[18:39] <Kilos> i can wget it if its of importance Mezenir
[18:39] <Kilos> wget is very frugal
[18:39] <Mezenir> the url says it all
[18:40] <Kilos> lol i have used links and lynx but need to think a while to get going everytime
[18:40] <charlvn> last time i used a text only browser i was in gaborone on a dysfunctional 128kbps link
[18:41] <charlvn> that cost 7000 pula per months even
[18:41] <charlvn> shameful honestly
[18:41] <Kilos> 18 kB with wget\
[18:41] <charlvn> although i hear it's improved since then, dunno
[18:42] <charlvn> superfly: coming back to your earlier point, what is this about there being no actual standard for html?
[18:42] <superfly> charlvn: it isn't a standard yet, W3C is still working on the standard.
[18:43] <Mezenir> yeah
[18:43] <charlvn> nonsense
[18:44] <charlvn> basically there are two "flavours" of html at this point
[18:44] <charlvn> on the one-side, you have the whatwg-driven "html"
[18:44] <charlvn> on the other side, you have the w3c driven "html5"
[18:44] <superfly> charlvn: uh, no
[18:44] <charlvn> it started with the whatwg, then the w3c adopted it and called it html5
[18:44] <charlvn> at this point, the two sets of specifications are not 100% equal
[18:45] <Mezenir> It is the fifth revision of the HTML standard (created in 1990 and standardized as HTML4 as of 1997)[2] and as of May 2012 is still under development.
[18:45] <Mezenir> says wikipedia
[18:45] <charlvn> link?
[18:45] <superfly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[18:46] <Mezenir> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[18:46] <Mezenir> what he said
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:46] <charlvn> read under history
[18:47] <charlvn> http://www.webmonkey.com/glossary/the-difference-between-the-whatwg-and-the-htmlwg/
[18:47] <Kilos> night guys have a good one and sleep tight
[18:49] <charlvn> here is the living standard: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
[18:50] <charlvn> there are a huge amount of separate specifications that are classified under "html5", many of them have different statuses
[18:50] <charlvn> for user agent support on the individual specifications, you can consult sites such as this: http://caniuse.com/
[18:53] <charlvn> in addition: http://www.smartcompany.com.au/information-technology/049382-w3c-finalising-html5-starting-work-on-html6.html
[18:54] <superfly> charlvn: except the browsers generally implement what w3c says
[18:55] <charlvn> yes, but the idea of there being "no actual standard" is clearly not true
[18:56] <Mezenir> interesting read
[18:57] <charlvn> for the record, i have been involved with the whatwg from before the w3c adopted html5
[18:57] <Mezenir> looks like it will be recommended by w3c by 2014
[18:57] <charlvn> not that it's my intention to brag but just to "qualify" myself http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/acknowledgements.html
[18:58] <charlvn> Mezenir: yes but the full recommendation date at this point is irrelevant because none of the browser vendors are going to wait until then
[18:58] <charlvn> for an idea of adoption, check caniuse.com
[19:00] <Mezenir> so as long as everyone looks at caniuse
[19:00] <Mezenir> things will hopefully stay compatbile
[19:00] <charlvn> well it's just one site out there, at the end of the day it's just a guide
[19:00] <charlvn> nothing is 100% compatible, but it's a problem we will have to deal with and work together with browser vendors to fix
[19:01] <Mezenir> lol
[19:01] <charlvn> for example, see this case: https://gist.github.com/2384288 and https://gist.github.com/2384482
[19:01] <Mezenir> sounds like wpa vs wpa2
[19:01] <Mezenir> people were unhappy with the insecurities of wep
[19:02] <charlvn> you can read the irc log here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120414
[19:02] <Mezenir> but unwilling to wait for wpa2
[19:02] <charlvn> lol
[19:02] <Mezenir> so they grabbed what was available
[19:02] <Mezenir> hence wpa
[19:04] <charlvn> only helped for a while until wpa2 was cracked http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa
[19:04] <Mezenir> lol
[19:04] <Mezenir> so much for that
[19:05] <charlvn> at least when you use a pre-shared key
[19:06] <charlvn> eduram has a better certificate-based system http://www.eduroam.org/
[19:07] <charlvn> but, it's a pain to configure under ubuntu sadly :(
[19:08] <Mezenir> and the enterprise variants require a server
[19:11] <Mezenir> im turning off my access point :P


[08:26] <Kaleo> hey there, anybody saw Nekelesh or Bartosz?
[08:27] <Kaleo> clock app devs
[12:52] <popey> McIntireEvan, i think it's all in trunk isnt it?
[12:54] <popey> McIntireEvan, any chance you could review this if you get a moment please?  https://code.launchpad.net/~popey/ubuntu-terminal-app/add-control/+merge/282280
[17:14] <i_n_g_o_> hello
[17:15] <i_n_g_o_> i am struggeling with a plain (unchanged) Unity Scope project
[17:15] <i_n_g_o_> hope to find some help
[17:16] <i_n_g_o_> when starting it on the phone i get:
[17:16] <i_n_g_o_> ERROR: untitled.username_untitled: unity::scopes::ConfigException:
[17:16] <i_n_g_o_> Cannot instantiate run time for untitled.username_untitled, config file:
[17:17] <i_n_g_o_> /home/phablet/.local/share/unity-scopes//untitled.username_untitled_0.1:
[17:17] <i_n_g_o_>     unity::scopes::ConfigException: invalid config file name:
[17:17] <i_n_g_o_> "/home/phablet/.local/share/unity-scopes//untitled.username_untitled_0.1":
[17:17] <i_n_g_o_> missing .ini extension
[17:18] <i_n_g_o_> uh. sorry. thought i am in the ubuntu-touch channel...
[17:48] <i_n_g_o_> ... but maybe this is a good channel to ask after all.


[06:38] <bbaqar_>      /join #maas
[10:36] <venom3> Hello, does anyone try to deploy openstack with juju 2.0 rc2?
[11:32] <rick_h_> magicaltrout: x58 consider me prodded
[12:09] <KpuCko> hello is it that any way to remove unit which stuck in error state but machine/agent is lost?
[13:35] <lazyPower> KpuCko: juju remove-machine # --force
[13:36] <lazyPower> KpuCko: or juju resolved --no-retry application/#
[13:57] <KpuCko> lazyPower thanks a lot, you saved my day
[13:57] <lazyPower> KpuCko: cheers :)
[13:58] <KpuCko> cheers |_|)
[15:42] <smoser> hey.
[15:43] <smoser> i'm trying to get a cloud-utils upload into yakkety
[15:43] <smoser> its blocked on juju's dep8 test
[15:43] <smoser> due to failures on ppc64
[15:43] <smoser>  http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/j/juju-core-1/yakkety/ppc64el
[15:43] <smoser> and
[15:43] <smoser>   http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/j/juju-core-1/yakkety/amd64
[15:44] <smoser> (linked to from http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html)
[15:44] <smoser> i really do not think cloud-utils is related at all, as the onyl change to that package is in mount-image-callback, which i'm pretty sure is not used by juju
[15:45] <smoser> anyone able to help refute or confirm that ?
[15:45] <kwmonroe> smoser: you probably want #juju-dev.  the words you're using are too big for us.
[15:45] <smoser> thanks :)
[15:48] <kwmonroe> marcoceppi: do OSX people need to brew install charm or charm-tools (or both)?
[15:58] <cclarke> With ubuntu 16.04, Maas 2.0, and juju 2.0, when I bootstrap an environment (juju bootstrap bssdev devmaas) maas takes a machine and deploys it and it becomes a controller. However, that server is not listed as a machine in juju to deploy things to it. When previously using ubuntu 14 with maas 2.0 and a previous verision of juju, the new bootstrapped environment takes a machine and deploys it as a controller and you can deploy charms to
[15:58] <cclarke> it in lxc containers. With the latest version, how do you bootstrap the environment in a way that it is seen as a machine in juju that charms can be deployed to?
[16:02] <anastasiamac_> cclarke: I *think* u can switch to a controller model and deploy to the controller machine. If u do 'juju models" it'll tell u whcih model u r in and then just switch to the desired one
[16:04] <cclarke> anastasiamac_: Thanks, that looks like the way to go.
[16:19] <admcleod> will update-status fire on a blocked unit?
[16:37] <kwmonroe> yup admcleod, though curiously it looks like it's running every 25 minutes (i thought it was every 5):  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23256225/
[16:38] <admcleod> kwmonroe: beisner ah!
[16:39] <admcleod> 25 is... apparently theres a back off
[16:42] <kwmonroe> yeah admcleod, that must be a thing for blocked.. my 'active' charms run update-status every 5.
[16:52] <admcleod> kwmonroe: if you do a -n1000 |grep update-status ?
[17:16] <x58> Is anyone here from the OpenStack charmers?
[17:48] <kwmonroe> x58: admcleod and beisner are openstackers.. cargonza can rattle off more names if those folks aren't around.
[17:49] <cargonza> x58 - you can reach the openstack charmers also at #openstack-charms
[18:00] <x58> Gotcha. Just looking at some behaviour in one of the charms that doens't make much sense to me. Working it through with our on-site DSE dparrish at the moment, will see if I have more questions/concerns.
[18:12] <smgoller> hey all, any ideas on debugging "hook failed" errors?
[18:17] <kwmonroe> sure smgoller -- first, what does 'juju version' say?
[18:17] <smgoller> 2.0 beta 18
[18:17] <smgoller> i may actually want to ask this question on #openstack-charmers, because it's related to neutron-openvswitch
[18:17] <kwmonroe> smgoller: you've got a few options.. first, you can ...
[18:18] <kwmonroe> DONT YOU LEAVE ME FOR OPENSTACKERS
[18:18] <smgoller> haha
[18:18] <smgoller> i'm still here
[18:18] <smgoller> no worries
[18:18] <kwmonroe> smgoller: as i was saying, you can "juju debug-log -i unit-<app>-<num> --replay"
[18:18] <kwmonroe> so like 'juju debug-log -i unit-foo-0 --replay'
[18:18] <kwmonroe> that might get you enough debug info to know why the hook failed
[18:18] <smgoller> ooo
[18:19] <smgoller> yup, it did
[18:19] <smgoller> awesome!
[18:19] <kwmonroe> smgoller: next, you can do "juju debug-hooks foo/0", and in another terminal, run "juju resolved foo/0"
[18:19] <kwmonroe> the debug-hooks window will trap at a point where you can run the hook manually
[18:19] <kwmonroe> so in that window, you'd run something like "./hooks/install", replacing "install" with whatever hook failed.
[18:21] <kwmonroe> smgoller: and finally, if it's truly a neutron-openvswitch specific failure, #openstack-charmers would probably be the best place for help :)
[18:21] <smgoller> hm. so i'm on the machine, but in the home dir
[18:21] <smgoller> when i run juju debug-hooks, that is
[18:21] <smgoller> so where do i go to find the hooks?
[18:22] <kwmonroe> smgoller: you'll need to tell juju to retry the failed hook in another terminal..  debug-hooks will sit in the home dir until a hook fires
[18:22] <smgoller> ok
[18:22] <kwmonroe> and then it'll switch you to the charm dir
[18:22] <smgoller> is that what resolved will do?
[18:23] <kwmonroe> ah crud smgoller.. you said beta 18.
[18:23] <smgoller> should i upgrade the jujus?
[18:23] <kwmonroe> i think in versions < rc1, the command would be "juju resolved --retry foo/0"
[18:23] <kwmonroe> the --retry is default in rc1, maybe not in beta18
[18:25] <kwmonroe> smgoller: if 18 is working for you, you can keep hacking, but if you do upgrade to the latest (rc2), you won't have to type "--retry".  :)
[18:25] <smgoller> kk
[18:25] <marcoceppi> kwmonroe smgoller it's #openstack-charms
[18:25] <kwmonroe> ack, thx marcoceppi
[18:27] <kwmonroe> marcoceppi: since you're here.. what harm may come from blessing mysql admins with the grant option?  https://github.com/marcoceppi/charm-mysql/pull/6
[18:28] <anita_> Hi
[18:28] <kwmonroe> hi anita_
[18:28] <anita_> when I am trying to get the services when relation_name.departed, I am getting 5 times the same relation name
[18:29] <marcoceppi> kwmonroe: I have too many github emails to sift through
[18:29] <anita_> Hi Kevin
[18:30] <anita_> This i am getting as I have 5 time joined the relation and departed 5 times
[18:30] <kwmonroe> no worries marcoceppi -- i'm just not versed enough in mysql to know if adding "with grant" to admins was omitted for a reason.  take your time on the sifting.
[18:31] <anita_> my relation state is something like this "messaging.departed|{"relation": "messaging", "conversations": ["reactive.conversations.messaging:19.wasdummy", "reactive.conversations.messaging:24.wasdummy", "reactive.conversations.messaging:25.wasdummy", "reactive.conversations.messaging:26.wasdummy", "reactive.conversations.messaging:27.wasdummy"]}"
[18:32] <anita_> when trying to get services, I am getting 5 times wasdummy as services
[18:32] <kwmonroe> anita_: are there 5 wasdummy charms deployed?
[18:32] <smgoller> hm.
[18:32] <anita_> kwmonroe_:no
[18:33] <anita_> only one
[18:33] <smgoller> so, like a bobo I just upgraded juju, and now when i run 'juju status' it tells me 'ERROR "" is not a valid tag'. Any ideas?
[18:33] <smgoller> I need to upgrade the controller?
[18:34] <anita_> my provider relation scope is service level
[18:34] <kwmonroe> anita_: so it sounds like old conversations aren't being removed.  i dunno if that's by design or not.. bcsaller, should 1 charm keep old relation conversations after joining and departing multiple times?  (see anita_'s state output from a couple minutes ago)
[18:35] <kwmonroe> smgoller: did you run 'juju upgrade-juju'?
[18:35] <smgoller> i did not :)
[18:35] <kwmonroe> why not?
[18:35] <kwmonroe> :)
[18:35] <anita_> kwmonroe_:How can be removed the old conversations?
[18:35] <smgoller> because i did an apt upgrade?
[18:36] <smgoller> my juju-fu is weak
[18:37] <kwmonroe> anita_: i'm not sure if you're supposed to.  i need to defer to bcsaller or maybe marcoceppi to know if those conversations are meant to stick around on a service scoped relation.
[18:38] <smgoller> so juju upgrade-juju says no upgrades available
[18:38] <kwmonroe> hmph smgoller.. that sounds fishy
[18:38] <smgoller> ayup
[18:38] <kwmonroe> juju version for you now shows rc2?
[18:38] <smgoller> yep
[18:39] <kwmonroe> smgoller: and the 2nd line of 'juju status' shows what for the version?  2.0-beta18?
[18:39] <smgoller> juju status says 'ERROR "" is not a valid tag"
[18:40] <kwmonroe> lol, shoot.. sorry, i forgot you already said that.
[18:40] <smgoller> no worries :)
[18:40] <kwmonroe> smgoller: maybe 'juju upgrade-juju --version 2.0-rc2'
[18:40] <kwmonroe> smgoller: and if worse comes to worse, would you be willing to destroy the controller and rebootstrap with rc2?
[18:40] <smgoller> yeah
[18:40] <smgoller> it's prod-not-prod
[18:40] <smgoller> :)
[18:40] <kwmonroe> :)
[18:41] <smgoller> so --version doesn't exist, but --agent-version does. is that what you meant?
[18:42] <kwmonroe> smgoller: maybe.. i'm on rc1 and see a --version.  but --agent-version sounds good too.  i'll go to rc2 and see if that option has been renamed.
[18:42] <smgoller> trying that results in "ERROR no matching tools available"
[18:42] <kwmonroe> ah rats
[18:42] <smgoller> o_O :)
[18:42] <kwmonroe> smgoller: i have some great news:  juju rcX support upgrades going forward.  i have a bit of bad news:  juju betaX may not.
[18:42] <smgoller> hahaha
[18:43] <smgoller> no worries.
[18:43] <kwmonroe> smgoller: if you're really closer to not-prod, i'd just 'juju destroy-controller X --destroy-all-models' and re-bootstrap.  if you're closer to prod, we might need some bigger guns to get you upgraded.
[18:44] <smgoller> it's not sufficiently prod to get more involved
[18:44] <kwmonroe> nice.. i haven't heard 'not sufficiently prod' before, but i'm gonna start using it.
[18:47] <smgoller> forgive my ubuntu fu, but is there a way to roll back juju locally to beta18?\
[18:50] <smgoller> and the answer is i can't go back. that's fine.
[18:50] <smgoller> keep moving forward!
[18:55] <kwmonroe> smgoller: i was poking around to try a roll back, but i don't see beta18 in the repo anymore (apt-cache madison juju).. so i'm not sure how you'd go back without finding a beta18 deb somehwere and manually creating a headache.
[18:55] <smgoller> kwmonroe: yeah, it's fine. I'm just going to nuke the site from orbit
[18:56] <kwmonroe> always a good decision
[19:03] <smgoller> oof, i may not even be able to destroy the controller >_>
[19:04] <smgoller> all right, time to nuke from maas
[19:09] <kwmonroe> smgoller: if you do nuke it from maas, you'll probably want to 'juju unregister <controller-name>' so juju knows it's not around anymore
[19:09] <smgoller> i blew the juju config away too :)
[19:10] <smgoller> re-adding maas to a fresh juju config isn't that bad
[19:10] <kwmonroe> heh.. whatever makes you happy!
[19:10] <smgoller> if the differences are significant enough, it's probably best to start from scorched earth anyway :)
[19:11] <kwmonroe> amen!
[19:11] <kwmonroe> be funny if the only differences were using '--retry' by default and renaming '--version' to '--agent-version'
[19:12] <kwmonroe> ya know, for some definition of funny
[19:14] <smgoller> well
[19:14] <smgoller> if the upgrade path is broken regardless, at some point i would have had to go through this pain
[19:14] <smgoller> better to rip the bandaid off now
[20:00] <chz8494> Hi Guys, does anyone know how juju 2.0 define lxd profile in bundle yaml for xenial?
[20:05] <papertigers> Can anyone tell me how juju determins what image (ami if amazon) its trying to use when bootstrapping
[20:05] <papertigers> in this case im testing on joyent and im getting
[20:06] <papertigers> ERROR failed to bootstrap model: cannot start bootstrap instance: no "xenial" images in us-east-1 with arches [amd64 arm64 ppc64el s390x]
[20:06] <papertigers> and there is an ubuntu certified 16.04 KVM image in that region
[20:12] <stokachu> chz8494: nope
[20:13] <stokachu> chz8494: not implemented
[20:15] <stokachu> chz8494: though you can edit the lxd profile after it's running as long as you know the model name
[20:15] <stokachu> without having ot reboot the container or anything
[20:40] <chz8494> stokachu: I have predefined the default lxc profile, and the yaml deployed services are deployed to host's lxd container which uses default profile as what I observed
[20:40] <stokachu> yep, if you have juju-default defined it'll use that
[20:40] <chz8494> stokachu: where do you define juju-default?
[20:41] <stokachu> its the default lxd profile that gets created when you do a new juju bootstrap
[20:41] <stokachu> with 2.0
[20:41] <chz8494> are you talking about deploy juju bootstrap on lxd?
[20:42] <stokachu> huh?
[20:42] <chz8494> i'm talking about deploying openstack components to lxd
[20:42] <stokachu> 16:00 < chz8494> Hi Guys, does anyone know how juju 2.0 define lxd profile in bundle yaml for  xenial?
[20:42] <chz8494> I don't see juju-default in my lxd
[20:42] <stokachu> i guess i missed that somewhere
[20:43] <chz8494> sorry, the bundle yaml I meant was for openstack
[20:43] <chz8494> not juju config yaml
[20:44] <chz8494> in my test, I predefined lxd default profile, and then run yaml to deploy openstack services into lxd, but juju somehow always overwrite this profile
[20:45] <chz8494> and seems the deployed lxd instance is hard pinned with lxdbr0, as if I change the profile to use my own bridge, it will complain about missing lxdbr0
[20:52] <chz8494> so in juju 2.0, is there a way to define which profile to use or eth binding when deploying lxd instance?
[21:09] <beisner> hi chz8494, we adjust the default lxd profile in this procedure, which might be similar to what you're trying to achieve. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/charm-guide/openstack-on-lxd.html
[21:18] <LeetaL_> Hi all! Dumb question, but i cannot seem to find out how to change the JUJU API address when bootstrapping with an LXD container... Someone that knows how to accomplish this? I get the following error: (2016-09-30 21:16:30 ERROR cmd supercommand.go:458 new environ: creating LXD client: Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8443/1.0: Unable to connect to: <IP_ADDRESS>:8443) and there it seems like it has taken the gateway ip instead of my JUJU API addr
[22:16] <kwmonroe> papertigers: not sure if it's the same for all cloud providers, but if i add '--debug' to the bootstrap command for azure, it lists available images and selects one for me, like this:
[22:16] <kwmonroe> 22:13:30 INFO  juju.environs.instances image.go:106 find instance - using image with id: Canonical:UbuntuServer:16.04.0-LTS:latest


[00:44] <ckontros> Yo guys.
[00:46] <ckontros> ScottL: Anyone hackin' on new Studio art?
[00:54] <ckontros> ScottL: I'm usually connected. PM me when you can. I'd like to see where things are at. Maybe a Skype or phone chat.
[00:54] <ckontros> cheers
[18:58] <falktx> ScottL: there might be an issue with having jack2 in maverick
[19:00] <falktx> ScottL: image this situation:
[19:00] <falktx> jack is stopped
[19:01] <falktx> we start a jack app, which makes jack auto-starts
[19:02] <falktx> jack will not stop after that app has been started
[19:02] <falktx> using qjackctl, the user will not be able to stop jack
[19:02] <falktx> because qjackctl kills jackd in order to stop jack
[19:03] <falktx> but jack2 autostarting function never touchs jackd,
[19:03] <falktx> instead, it is run by dbus
[19:03] <falktx> so, when started over dbus, needs to be stopped using dbus, which qjackctl doesn't support yet
[19:13] <ScottL> falktx, i'll dig into this and talk with TheMuso about it (he's much more knowledgeable than i)
[19:16] <falktx> ScottL: Thanks, I'll talk to the author this weekend (!!), so I'll ask him about this
[19:16] <falktx> s/this/next


[02:33] <gorilla> nisshh: sorry I was afk for new years day.
[10:01] <nisshh> gorilla, thats ok, i was asleep for most of today :)
[10:02] <nisshh> gorilla, i was just going to ask you if you could post an event or whatever to our facebook page about the next meeting, just link to the meetings page on the wiki
[10:15] <gorilla> nisshh: sure thing. Sleep is a good idea, depending on when you got home. :-P
[10:36] <gorilla> nisshh: almost got it!
[10:39] <nisshh> gorilla, cool, thankas
[10:40] <gorilla> I experienced a few errors from the facebook server.. very annoying.
[10:40] <gorilla> but done!
[11:00] <nisshh> gorilla, thanks dude, if you could post to the fb page whenever there is a new meeting, that would be great
[11:04] <gorilla> sure.. :-)
[11:59] <Blank__> can has diaspora :P
[12:21] <nisshh> Blank__, add me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:)
[12:21] <Blank__> i havent actually joined there yet nisshh
[12:21] <Blank__> was just poking a bit of fun at the mention of fb
[12:21] <Blank__> then again, i haven't touched fb either
[12:22] <Blank__> but diaspora does interest me
[12:29] <nisshh> Blank__, join! join! join! join! join! :)
[12:30] <Blank__> haha
[12:31] <nisshh> Blank__, diaspora is still in alpha, but it works very well already, you should check it out
[12:35] <microtechno> evening is there anyone around?
[12:35] <nisshh> microtechno, whats up?
[12:37] <gorilla> nisshh: We are still up! :-)
[12:37] <nisshh> gorilla, yeah, lol :)
[12:37] <microtechno> I am having rather wierd trouble with mythbuntu. When i connect a HDMI (DVI converter) it kills lirc
[12:37] <microtechno> wierdest thing ever, i think its got something to do with HDMI CEC
[12:37] <nisshh> microtechno, wow, that is very odd :)
[12:38] <microtechno> and was wondering if anyone here has a solution or know anything
[12:38] <nisshh> gorilla, Blank__ ^^^ you guys ever come accross this?
[12:38] <Blank__> nope :(
[12:38] <nisshh> microtechno, i havent had it happen to me, but ill google for you
[12:38] <microtechno> if anyone has used lirc i can run irw and it works fine with the tv of, as soon as i turn it on lirc dies and i get an error message in dmes
[12:39] <microtechno> been looking on google but havent found much
[12:40] <nisshh> ok
[12:40] <microtechno> oh the error in dmesg is 'Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -'numbers' ns)
[12:40] <microtechno> if anyone has seen that one
[12:40] <nisshh> microtechno, it sounds to me like its a bug, tbh
[12:41] <microtechno> i am pretty new to ubuntu and the works, been using gentoo for quite some time though.
[12:41] <nisshh> or at the very least, something odd with your configuration
[12:41] <nisshh> right
[12:41] <nisshh> microtechno, i cant find anything on google either :)
[12:41] <microtechno> it works fine in my room connected to either my 19 or 22 inch monitors via dsub and dvi, but as soon as i plug it into the tv it dies :S
[12:42] <nisshh> oh right
[12:42] <nisshh> so it works plugged into monitors
[12:42] <microtechno> sure does
[12:43] <microtechno> been working on this for a while, to no avail so i thought i would enlist the help of others
[12:43] <microtechno> see if anyone else has had this problem
[12:43] <nisshh> yeah
[12:44] <microtechno> and i have no idea if i should post this in lirc, mythbuntu, ubuntu or nvidia? for help
[12:44] <nisshh> microtechno, bear with me a minute, im just finding out where the mythbuntu bug tracker is, ill see if someone else has reported the same bug
[12:46] <Blank__> "i come in, bear with me"
[12:46] <Blank__> "...?" "I said I come in, and there's a bear with me"
[12:46] <nisshh> Blank__, lolwut?
[12:46] <Blank__> quote from little britain
[12:47] <nisshh> oh ok
[12:47] <nisshh> i dont remember
[12:48] <Blank__> hedh
[12:48] <Blank__> heh*
[12:48] <nisshh> ive only seen the first two seasons
[12:48] <microtechno> nisshh, i have found the mythbuntu bug page, just found nothing about my prob
[12:48] <Blank__> i think that was the first episode
[12:48] <nisshh> microtechno, link me to it?
[12:48] <microtechno> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[12:48] <nisshh> Blank__, oh ok, must be my terrible memory then :)
[12:48] <Blank__> nisshh, wouldn't blame you, my memory's terrible too
[12:48] <nisshh> ah, they are reported on launchpad :)
[12:49] <nisshh> Blank__, hehe
[12:49] <microtechno> is that significant?
[12:49] <Blank__> the problem with using launchpad if the project already has its own bug tracker is that the bug report will probably take a lot longer to head upstream
[12:50] <nisshh> microtechno, not really, but it means its easy for you to report a bug if need be
[12:50] <nisshh> Blank__, yeah
[12:53] <gorilla> Blank__: kind of. At the same time as an upstream software author, I wouldn't want to be bombarded with bug reports due to the way a distro decided to package the software. This is where triaging is very important to decide what's probably an upstream bug vs packaging/configuration issue.
[12:53] <nisshh> microtechno, open a terminal and run ubuntu-bug on your mythbuntu machine
[12:54] <Blank__> gorilla, good point
[12:54] <microtechno> done so
[12:54] <nisshh> microtechno, ubuntu-bug will pop up a GUI, just follow the steps and try and accurately describe your problem
[12:55] <microtechno> ok
[12:55] <microtechno> how do i work out which version of ubuntu I am running?
[12:55] <nisshh> microtechno, what itll do is submit the bug the the right bug tracker and then people will process it and whatnot :)
[12:55] <microtechno> just curious thats all
[12:55] <nisshh> microtechno, in a terminal: cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:57] <microtechno> cheers
[12:57] <nisshh> np :)
[12:57] <nisshh> microtechno, you havent gone "ARH! NOT THE TERMINAL!" yet, so i assume you dont mind using it :)
[12:58] <microtechno> no quite a few years of gentoo, so i am a custom to the cli
[12:58] <nisshh> nice
[12:58] <microtechno> as gentoo started out in cli and built up from source the gui.. man does it take a long time to compile gnome from source even on a phenom
[13:00] <nisshh> yeah
[13:00] <nisshh> microtechno, i myself have tried gentoo :)
[13:00] <nisshh> took me nearly 4 hours to compile firefix
[13:00] <nisshh> firefox
[13:01] <microtechno> mm i still have my server running gentoo, just because i cant be bothered doing an upgrade
[13:01] <microtechno> but that hasnt been run for about 4 months
[13:01] <nisshh> oh yeah
[13:17] <gorilla> If I subscribe to a wiki pages on www.ubunut.com, do I get notified when that page changes?
[13:18] <nisshh> gorilla, that is the general idea, yes
[13:18] <nisshh> gorilla, be careful though, if you subscribe to a page, every sub page that gets changed, you will be notified of also\
[13:19] <nisshh> gorilla, so if you subscribe to BugSquad, everything under BugSquad, like packaging guide, mentors, all those pages, you get notifications about
[13:21] <microtechno> thanks all for your help
[13:22] <nisshh> microtechno, no, problem :)
[13:22] <microtechno> hopefully the bug submission will provide a solution
[13:22] <nisshh> yeah
[13:27] <gorilla> nisshh: Ahhh.. I'll keep that in mind :-)
[13:28] <nisshh> gorilla, wait what?
[13:28]  * nisshh looks at scrollback
[13:45] <microtechno> thanks for the help nisshh
[13:46] <microtechno> heading off :D
[13:46] <nisshh> microtechno, no problem, cya later
[13:46] <microtechno> cheers
[13:49] <gorilla> nisshh: I subscribed myself to the aust team meetings page. Not one that has a heap of subpages.
[13:51] <nisshh> gorilla, ah ok, cool
[13:52] <nisshh> gorilla, im fairly sure that if the trivial change checkbox is checked when someone edits a page, you dont get notified
[13:52] <nisshh> so that reduces the amount of changes spam you get in your inbox
[13:53] <gorilla> nisshh: I'm sure I figure it out.
[13:54] <nisshh> gorilla, yeah, lol, sorry, im being a bit "do it right dammit" at the moment :)
[13:57] <gorilla> No worries... Just don't expect me to answer my mobile if you call.
[14:00] <nisshh> lol ok
[14:23] <sagaci> Hi
[14:24] <nisshh> sagaci, hey, you pinged me the other day?
[14:25] <sagaci> Yeah, forgot what i wanted to ask
[14:25] <nisshh> hehe
[14:25] <nisshh> sagaci, well, if you remember, ill be around most/all of the night :)
[14:26] <sagaci> Yeah, are you doing an all nighter
[14:28] <nisshh> sagaci, possibly
[14:29] <sagaci> I get so much more work done in the morning
[14:34] <nisshh> hehe