[09:14] <shadeslayer> can someone mark the kubuntu amd64 ISO's as ready?
[09:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[09:15] <shadeslayer> I'm running the final test on the i386
[09:23] <infinity> shadeslayer: I can mark it.
[09:23] <Riddell> I'll do it
[09:23] <infinity> Or Riddell can. :)
[09:23] <shadeslayer> cheers :P
[09:24] <Riddell> done! (although I'll test it myself now to make sure I'm happy too)
[09:24] <shadeslayer> heh :P
[09:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've not tested active btw
[09:26] <Riddell> oh we're not releasing active
[09:26] <Riddell> I'll stop that from building when it reaches the top of my todo
[09:40] <shadeslayer> cheers
[10:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: mind accepting kajongg as well
[10:37] <shadeslayer> or anyone else btw ^^
[10:38] <shadeslayer> it fixes a bug where kajongg is not installable
[11:15] <mlankhorst> can someone promote  the whole -lts-trusty stack?
[11:28] <mlankhorst> and libdrm in saucy too
[12:22]  * cjwatson notices bug 1327825.  I guess there aren't any d-i-based images in the alpha ...
[12:24] <infinity> cjwatson: lubuntu, but perhaps untested.
[12:29] <cjwatson> Actually that bug was about netboot.  cdrom-detect does need to be updated (doing now), but maybe it's overridden somehow for our images ...
[12:32] <infinity> The string "trusty" doesn't show up in d-i, but might be some other udeb being grumpy.
[12:35] <infinity> mirrors.h:	"trusty",
[12:35] <infinity> cjwatson: Oh, looks like I found that after you. :P
[12:36] <cjwatson> Yeah, I'm doing the usual three
[12:36] <cjwatson> Unaccountably forgot this cycle
[12:37] <infinity> cjwatson: Probably because you didn't do the switch this time, and you're the only one with that list in your head.
[12:37] <cjwatson> Well except for NewReleaseCycleProcess :P
[12:38] <infinity> cjwatson: Yeah, whoever did the new d-i probably wasn't reading that either. ;)
[12:38] <infinity> cjwatson: A comment above build/config/common:DEBIAN_RELEASE in d-i that points out the other packages that need to be in sync might not go amiss.
[12:39] <cjwatson> Yeah, will do
[12:40] <xnox> i think i've only fixed one thing that was needed to make netboot images working, hoping that someone else would do the other bits, as i didn't know which ones they were and where to find it.
[12:41] <xnox> and I always fail to find NewReleaseCycleProcess, somehow i can never remember that name.
[12:41] <cjwatson> Yeah, you confused me, if you hadn't done it at all I'd have probably remembered :)
[12:41] <cjwatson> Oh well, sorting now
[12:44] <xnox> sorry
[12:45] <xnox> or better i should learn / check for the future where all the other missing pieces are.
[12:46] <xnox> "Merge cdrom-detect, choose-mirror, and iso-scan if necessary and update cdrom/suite and mirror/suite debconf templates to include a choice for the new release and update any previous default." if i remember right I did choose-mirror only.
[12:46] <cjwatson> There's a comment in the d-i source now.
[12:46] <cjwatson> You didn't do any of them.
[12:46] <xnox> ha, that can't be good.
[12:47] <cjwatson> All uploaded now, and I have a d-i upload to do in a bit anyway.
[12:51] <infinity> cjwatson: Thanks for the comment.
[12:52] <apw> that xorg-lts-transitional is the trusty end of the xorg-lts-trusty bits
[13:01] <mlankhorst> I may be forced to move to trusty 'soon' :P
[14:15] <Riddell> infinity: link for the announcement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha1/Kubuntu
[14:26] <stgraber> Riddell: s/infinity/stgraber/ :)
[14:26] <stgraber> Riddell: but noted, thanks
[14:26] <Riddell> oh sure
[14:29] <mlankhorst> hm the *-lts-trusty packages from 131816 still need to be promoted
[14:53] <mlankhorst> infinity: can you take a look at promoting them? g2g!
[15:06] <rtg> mlankhorst, bug arges. infinity is on vacation
[15:06] <arges> mlankhorst: which packages?
[15:06]  * arges reads backlog
[15:12] <arges> mlankhorst: ok... looking at htis i'm not entirely sure of how the transitional package dependencies work. so I'm not entirely comfortable reviewing this
[15:53] <stgraber> I'm planning on releasing alpha-1 in about 2 hours, so flavour leads, please give me your URLs and any extra text I should include!
[15:53] <stgraber> I'm going to grab some lunch now and will do the usual announcement copy/pasting once I'm back
[15:54] <Riddell> stgraber: "Kubuntu development is now focussing on the next generation of KDE Software, Plasma 5.  This is not yet stable enough for everyday use, so we are still shipping the Plasma 1 desktop on our image which has been updated to the latest version in the alpha."
[15:54] <Riddell> or something like that
[15:58] <Riddell> stgraber: freeze thawing any time soon?
[16:00] <stgraber> Riddell: well, I was hoping to get some more feedback from the other leads on whether they're happy with what they've got now
[16:00] <stgraber> I'm not seeing a whole lot of ready on the tracker...
[16:12] <stgraber> utlemming: any ETA on cloud images readiness?
[16:12] <stgraber> also, if there's someone from ubuntu gnome around, same question ^
[16:13] <utlemming> stgraber: they are more or less ready, just waiting on the test suites to finish
[16:13] <utlemming> stgraber: the images are all staged, and the test are looking good
[16:39] <stgraber> dropping archive block as everyone appears ready
[17:07] <JackYu> stgraber, please find release note of Ubuntu Kylin here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Kylin/1410-alpha-1-ReleaseNote
[17:32] <utlemming> stgraber: okay, cloud images are ready
[17:34] <stgraber> utlemming: what's the link for the alpha-1 images download? I'm pretty sure the one I have is wrong :)
[17:34] <utlemming> stgraber: it will be http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/utopic/alpha-1/
[17:35] <stgraber> utlemming: ok, good. I still had the uec stuff in my draft :)
[17:35] <utlemming> stgraber: is iso.qa.ubuntu.com having issues? It taking forever to load :/
[17:35] <stgraber> announcement: http://pad.ubuntu.com/utopic-alpha1
[17:35] <stgraber> hmm, yeah, it's pretty slow...
[17:39] <stgraber> utlemming: pinged IS as I've done all I can do on that box by myself and that doesn't appear to help...
[17:42] <stgraber> flavour leads, once again, the link is at: http://pad.ubuntu.com/utopic-alpha1
[17:42] <stgraber> I'll be publishing things as soon as the tracker feels like talking to me again and I'll push the announcement in about an hour
[17:48] <stgraber> wxl, ScottK, Riddell, JackYu, utlemming: publishing in progress, please take a look at the announcement.
[17:49] <utlemming> stgraber: cloud images are being made public now
[17:49] <stgraber> utlemming: cool, thanks
[17:57] <Riddell> stgraber: looks good
[17:57] <Riddell> oh but wait!
[17:57] <Riddell> there's not a topical quote at the top!
[17:57] <stgraber> feel free to add one :)
[17:57] <Riddell> that's the most important thing for an alpha 1 announce
[18:47] <stgraber> cjwatson: FYI, cron.source still seems a bit buggy, I had to move things around and mangle the links by hand
[19:00] <slangasek> stgraber: where do we stand on alpha-1?
[19:00] <slangasek> I understand that there was some pushback regarding trying to get pulseaudio in due to the alpha-1 freeze
[19:00] <stgraber> slangasek: the source isos took a while to build but they're done now. I just did a sync-mirrors, so waiting another 30min for torrent to catch up and I'll push the announcement
[19:01] <slangasek> which doesn't make sense to me, as there's no requirement for alpha images to be in sync with the archive at release time
[19:01] <stgraber> slangasek: the block has been gone for a while now so people can poush as they wish
[19:01] <slangasek> stgraber: ok; so we're unfrozen and pa should be able to go in?
[19:01] <slangasek> alright
[19:01] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, that didn't come from me, not sure who said that...
[19:01] <slangasek> that was from ScottK yesterday
[19:03] <slangasek> ok, looks like pulseaudio made it in once the block was out
[19:34] <stgraber> announcement sent out
[19:36] <wxl> oh and i prefer tea not beer XD
[20:48] <slangasek> stgraber: I dispute this Shel Silverstein lyrics credit :)
[20:49] <slangasek> the Internet gives nothing authoritativve
[20:50] <stgraber> Riddell: ^
[20:50] <slangasek> well, ok, maybe it was Silverstein
[20:50] <slangasek> apparently the provenance was lost by the time it got to me!
[23:04] <cjwatson> stgraber: Yeah, it's been in the back of my mind for a while but I haven't had a chance to sit down and figure it out yet ...


[00:59] <ryanlin> any guru's think they can help me out with program that wont launch?
[01:24] <bjsnider> ryanlin, what's the deal
[01:24] <bjsnider> it's just gurus, not guru's
[02:43] <darkxst_> jbicha, I think we can overide the homepage by using something like this file -> /usr/share/xul-ext/ubufox/defaults/preferences/000system.js
[02:53] <jbicha> darkxst_: I think we already do that, see /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/distribution.ini
[03:00] <darkxst_> well in that case the setting in that file is not being applied
[03:11] <darkxst> jbicha, or more likely it gets overridden by ubufox as soon as it starts
[03:32] <jbicha> it's getting applied because it shows about:home in a clean profile but none of the javascript works
[03:33] <darkxst> the javascript doesnt work because of the redirect through aboutpage
[03:33] <darkxst> startpage
[03:35] <darkxst> overriding via that 000system.js file, make the homepage about:home, rather than about:startpage
[03:40] <jbicha> I think by the time Firefox gets to that file it's already too late
[03:41] <darkxst> distribution.ini must be loaded before ubufox
[03:42] <darkxst> but then ubufox probably goes and overwrites settings
[03:46] <jbicha> maybe what's needed is for ubufox to just provide about:startpage but not set it as default
[03:48] <darkxst> well that is what would happen if we override via 000system.js
[03:48] <jbicha> then Ubuntu can ship a separate package to set the default homepage, http://support.mozilla.org/questions/951790 looks relevant to that
[03:52] <jbicha> https://developer.mozilla.org/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIAboutModule
[03:53] <jbicha> ^ didn't seem to help me before
[03:54] <darkxst> I think its actually the getCodebasePrincipal bit that is the problem
[03:54] <darkxst> it would probably work with getSystemPrincipal, but that seems risky
[04:07] <darkxst> anyway I totally don't get how the security manager works, and the documentation is rubbish (in typical mozilla fashion)
[13:09] <amjjawad> Hi, is there anyone here?
[13:09] <amjjawad> someone who is not ZzZz :P
[13:13] <jbicha> amjjawad: what's up?
[13:13] <amjjawad> jbicha: :D
[13:13] <amjjawad> I'm fine, how about you?
[13:13] <amjjawad> didn't expect to see you here :) nice to meet you :)
[13:14] <jbicha> do you plan to lead Alpha2 this week?
[13:18] <amjjawad> I'm planning to take Ubuntu GNOME to the next level :)
[13:18] <amjjawad> so, not only A2
[13:19] <amjjawad> But there are lots of tasks that must be done before the real fun start ... I do have some Qs ... can you help?
[13:20] <jbicha> ask away...
[13:22] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/
[13:22] <amjjawad> is this the only page we do have on the Wiki?
[13:25] <amjjawad> I did a google search and didn't find other pages except two others for release or release notes
[13:26] <jbicha> yeah, it's just that and 12.10 release notes
[13:27] <amjjawad> jbicha: I see, thanks for the info. It is time then to have more pages :)
[13:28] <amjjawad> It is very important to have QA Page, like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[13:33] <amjjawad> What about our website? who is in charge?
[13:36] <jbicha> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-website have edit privileges
[13:37] <amjjawad> I see
[13:39] <amjjawad> We need to build a Wiki Team - this is very important
[13:40] <amjjawad> and we need to have something like this: <<Include(Lubuntu/Header)>> which will add a header for the Wiki so user can navigate easily - example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/
[13:40] <amjjawad> I can some work but myself alone won't be enough. We need more than just one
[13:49] <bjsnider> amjjawad, the next level of what?
[13:49] <amjjawad> bjsnider: everything!!
[13:49] <amjjawad> Wiki Area for example!
[13:49] <bjsnider> well, there are 9 layers of hell
[13:49] <bjsnider> 666 layers of the abyss
[13:50] <amjjawad> where are not in hell :)
[13:50] <amjjawad> I'm looking for heaven here rather than hell ;)
[13:53] <bjsnider> last time i tried ti edit anything on the wiki it constantly crashed, but maybe they've fixed it now
[13:57] <amjjawad> I just got the green light from my Sensei (phillw) who was previously the Head of Lubuntu Wiki Area and now, he is Head of Lubuntu QA - to have a Lubuntu-Like Wiki
[13:57] <amjjawad> Lubuntu Wiki is really solid and has lots of information and I have already started to do that. Soon, our Wiki will have more information :)
[13:57] <amjjawad> I always update it bjsnider so no crashes here
[13:59] <amjjawad> bjsnider: this is stage 1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[13:59] <amjjawad> I must go now and after 1-2 hours, I will be back and finish the new sections hopefully before bed time :)
[14:00] <amjjawad> Catch up with you later, hopefully :)
[14:10] <bjsnider> hm, well, it's still moinmoin
[17:38] <Dark_light> I've tried out the alpha-1 a bit, besides a few crashes there were a couple of things that really puzzled me,when I plugged in my external devices it asked me if I wanted to open them with rythmbox(??) most importantly the thinkpad_acpi kernel module threw errors about symbols when it was passed the option fan_control=1
[18:22] <TravLR> Dark_light: are you running it in a virtual machine? I can't get it to successfully work with Virtualbox -- is why I'm asking.
[18:24] <Dark_light> TravLR: nope I installed it on my laptop, but due to the aformentioned issues and some crashes I uninstalled it
[18:24] <Dark_light> there were also systemd errors during boot and right after logging in from tty
[20:43] <bjsnider> why does this terminal window appear when i restart the shell?
[20:43] <bjsnider> i can't close it or move it or anything
[20:43] <bjsnider> it's just the window border with nothing inside
[21:22] <darkxst> Dark_light, please file bugs
[21:27] <darkxst> bjsnider, screenshot?
[21:49] <bjsnider> darkxst, http://ptpimg.me/ec20ge.png
[21:49] <bjsnider> i had such a window open when i restarted the shell
[21:49] <bjsnider> that appears on all virtual desktops
[21:49] <bjsnider> it's not sensitive to mouse clicks or anything
[21:49] <bjsnider> and it's on top of everything else
[21:50] <darkxst> you restarted with alt+f2, r?
[21:51] <bjsnider> yes
[21:52] <bjsnider> there is a zombie process gnome-terminal under the shell in the tree, but i can't get rid of it
[21:53] <darkxst> gnome-terminal-server still running?
[21:55] <bjsnider> that does not appear to be running
[21:58] <darkxst> try `killall -9 gnome-terminal`
[22:02] <darkxst> also check for a apport crash? if gnome-terminal-server is gone it must have crashed
[22:28] <bjsnider> darkxst, ok, apparently i still have gnome-terminal 3.6
[22:28] <bjsnider> why is gnome-terminal 3.8 not in the stable ppa?
[22:34] <darkxst> oh because of bug 1132700
[22:41] <bjsnider> there. i installed the bloody thing anyway
[22:41] <jbicha> at least there's an easy workaround for the problem
[22:44] <bjsnider> the other new problem since 3.8 is that restarting the shell makes it forget the positioning of all the windows through the virtual desktops
[22:45] <bjsnider> i found a patch and added it to 3.6 in the last cycle, but now the thing has returned
[22:45] <bjsnider> maybe it's because of something else in the staging ppa that i don't have
[23:00] <jbicha> darkxst: do you want to submit a MP for the gtk xembed bug?
[23:04] <darkxst> jbicha, yes will do
[23:06] <darkxst> although my last MP was just ignored: bug 1186694 ;(
[23:53] <jbicha> I didn't see it and I'm guessing the Desktop guys didn't either
[23:53] <jbicha> subscribing ~ubuntu-sponsors to the bug would have gotten it seen


[01:36] <kaushal> Hi
[01:36] <kaushal> I have upgraded java6 from u22 to u24, I get this issue http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/606323/ I am on Ubuntu 8.04 Linux. Any Clue ?
[01:36] <kaushal> Further details -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/606327/
[04:21] <head_victim> elky: ping, that last email that went to the Ubuntu-AU moderation list (I've left it there to make it easier to find), how was it sent from that address?
[04:22] <elky> email addresses can be forged really really easily. i don't have time to look at the queue right now though.
[04:25] <head_victim> AH ok, it just came back as being from the list itself
[04:25] <elky> yes a lot of list spam does that.
[04:25] <head_victim> Ok well I'll approve it as it appears to be a legit comment and the link is relevant
[07:45] <gorilla> head_victim: mail servers don't use the From: header which makes it easy to spoofas elky stated. SMTP is an horribly insecure protocol. About the only thing that you can say about an email that you received is "yep, it's an email and that your received it".
[07:46] <head_victim> gorilla: fair enough, it just seemed todd to me but I guess all that does is show how technically inept I am ;)
[07:53] <gorilla> nah.. Email is a pain.. First bit of advice for those that want to run their own mail server: Don't.
[14:53] <head_victim> blahdeblah: ping (I realise it's late)
[14:53] <head_victim> sagaci: you pinged earlier?
[15:20] <head_victim> blahdeblah: email sent


[02:24] <holms> anyone around :)? i've got starting upstart script stuck
[02:25] <holms> not realeasing tty probably
[02:25] <holms> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11977248/


[00:37] <flyback> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080923-bad-seed-isp-atrivo-cut-off-from-rest-of-the-internet.html <--- YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!
[02:00] <FFEMTcJ> does anyone know what package i need to install to take ubuntu server back to its default state?
[02:51] <emgent> zul: around ?
[02:56] <antdedyet> hey dendrobates
[02:56]  * antdedyet heads home, bbiab
[02:59] <emgent> un there is a critial bug in hardy mysql-server
[02:59] <emgent> s/critical/critical/
[03:51] <sommer> kirkland: ping
[04:10] <sommer> kirkland: just fyi, I filed a pkgsel bug #273823
[05:28] <stweston> Does anyone know any commands to use for installing Ubuntu Server thru the Shell?
[05:28] <stweston> because I don't have a CD-R drive that works under the Linux kernel.
[05:28] <stweston> I mean, it boots the CD fine, but nothing works right after loading the linux kernel and it tries to detect the CD-R drive.
[05:29] <Adoleo> stweston: There's a tutorial out on Google somewhere, but I tried it and it was not easy
[05:29] <stweston> oh?
[05:30] <Adoleo> Do you have a USB-key lying around anythwere?
[05:30] <stweston> I have a memory card & USB adapter.
[05:30] <stweston> 1GB, too.
[05:30] <Adoleo> stweston: I found that to be a lot easier to deal with.  1GB is plenty
[05:30] <stweston> ok
[05:30] <Adoleo> stweston: Let me see if I can find the howto I used
[05:30] <stweston> all right.
[05:31] <stweston> Adoleo: wait - is it a liveUSB thing?
[05:31] <Adoleo> stweston: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about
[05:31] <stweston> Adoleo: because that's not going to work, necessarily.
[05:31] <Adoleo> stweston: Won't work for you?
[05:31] <stweston> Adoleo: you see, I'm on a mac, and I need the instructions up so that I don't goof.
[05:31] <Adoleo> Ah - using VMware?
[05:32] <stweston> Adoleo: if I boot into linux (or even re-boot, for that matter) on my mac, it doesn't work. no, it's actually VirtualBox.
[05:32] <stweston> I mean, it kind of defeats the purpose, in a reverse way.
[05:33] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, I've got some experience with Virtualbox.  You can actually mount the .iso directly from the hard drive with VirtualBox.  You're talking about installing Ubuntu into a virtualized Virtualbox environment, right?
[05:33] <stweston> no.
[05:34] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, I'm confused then.  :-)
[05:34] <stweston> I'm talking about installing ubuntu server (or xubuntu) onto another machine, which doesn't have a good cd-r drive.
[05:34] <stweston> I have the cmd line up and everything for server.
[05:34] <stweston> but it's just on the CD
[05:35] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, now I'm starting to understand.  Are you looking for a way to install Ubuntu over your network connection, then?
[05:35] <stweston> I DO, however, have an ethernet cable.
[05:35] <stweston> I suppose...
[05:36] <stweston> the box doesn't have wi-fi, but I've got ethernet hooked up
[05:36] <stweston> and the mac has wi-fi
[05:36] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, then this is what I was thinking of initially.  A netinst is not pretty, but it's possible.
[05:37] <stweston> okay
[05:37] <stweston> I think I understood that when I first tried... LOL
[05:37] <stweston> but I'm not even sure if I got the first step
[05:38] <stweston> =)
[05:38] <Adoleo> stweston: I'm looking for the tutorial I tried before.
[05:38] <stweston> all right
[05:38] <Adoleo> stweston: Is your server box operational on the network - does it have a working operating system right now?
[05:39] <stweston> it has Windows 98, but it doesn't work w/ the ethernet for some reason.... can't find the driver.
[05:39] <stweston> and w/o wi-fi, it doesn't work for sure.
[05:39] <stweston> I mean, it for sure doesn't work.
[05:39] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, this is definitely not going to be easy without a working CD drive.  You can do a netinst from an SSH connection, but that's only if another version of Linux is already installed.
[05:40] <stweston> hm...
[05:40] <stweston> nope. I have ubuntu on a VM on my mac, tho
[05:40] <Adoleo> stweston: Have you tried re-burning the install disc in case there were errors on the media?  I've had that problem before.
[05:40] <stweston> I have - many times - for both server and xubuntu.
[05:41] <Adoleo> stweston: That's good that you have Ubuntu on the mac, but without something to connect to on the server machine there's not much to work with.
[05:41] <stweston> aah
[05:41] <stweston> what do you mean?
[05:41] <stweston> the ethernet is plugged in on the PC, and with linux, it might even have the right drivers.
[05:42] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, let me switch gears then.  On your server PC, are you able to get far enough in the installation to reach the console?
[05:42] <stweston> yes
[05:43] <stweston> I'm there already, in fact.
[05:43] <stweston> you mean the ~ #?
[05:43] <Adoleo> stweston: Okay, do you know if it has a working net connection?  Can you ping a random site like Yahoo.com?
[05:43] <stweston> not sure... don't know how
[05:43] <stweston> I'm new to linux, kinda.
[05:44] <Adoleo> stweston: Got it, we all have to start somewhere.  :-)  Try this in the command line: ping yahoo.com
[05:44] <stweston> okay
[05:44] <Adoleo> After it hits yahoo.com a few times, hit CTRL+C to stop it
[05:44] <stweston> okay
[05:44] <stweston> "host name lookup failure"
[05:44] <Adoleo> Okay, no net connectino.
[05:45] <stweston> so, there isn't a connection... yeath
[05:45] <stweston> yeah*
[05:45] <stweston> how would I find the ethernet card?
[05:45] <stweston> I just installed it today, so that might be a problem.
[05:46] <Adoleo> That's an automatic part of the installation, but it needs to load some packages before that works.  If it can't access the CD, then it can't access those packages.
[05:46] <stweston> aah
[05:46] <stweston> well, I'll go back to prompt F1, then...
[05:46] <stweston> the error there is "no common cd-rom drive was detected"
[05:47] <stweston> ... you may need to load drivers form a driver floppy.
[05:47] <stweston> so, is that a problem?
[05:47] <Adoleo> stweston: Yeah, that's definitely it.  Got a few extra dollars to buy a new CDR?  :-)
[05:48] <stweston> not exactly... more in the negative many extra dollars.
[05:48] <stweston> I still need to pay back my mom for some purchases (she has all my money, and I'm still a kid)
[05:48] <stweston> well, I'm a teenager, but that's kind of a kid.
[05:49] <stweston> I mean - she has access to all my money.
[05:49] <Adoleo> stweston: :-)  Got it.  We've all been there.
[05:49] <stweston> LOL
[05:49] <Adoleo> stweston: Got some floppy disks lying around?
[05:49] <stweston> yeah. why? I don't know how to load them if I just have my mac and a semi-functional win 98.
[05:50] <Adoleo> stweston: I might be able to find a good tutorial
[05:50] <stweston> okay
[05:50] <stweston> well, that's useful
[05:51] <Adoleo> stweston: Here we go - with this tutorial, you first install Debian using floppies, and then use that to install Ubuntu
[05:51] <Adoleo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/WithFloppies
[05:52] <Adoleo> stweston: Since you're still learning Linux, though, you'll probably have to try this one a few times before it works.  Make sure to set aside a few hours and expect it to break a few times.
[05:52] <stweston> wait - do I need to use the floppies in win98 or what?
[05:52] <stweston> okay
[05:53] <Adoleo> stweston: Does your mac not have a floppy drive?
[05:53] <stweston> no. it's a new MacBook
[05:53] <Adoleo> stweston: lol - you're hitting roadblocks at every turn
[05:53] <stweston> not even a PS/1 port
[05:53] <stweston> LOL. I know
[05:54] <Adoleo> stweston: I hate to tell you this, but you might want to wait until you can get a hold of a replacement CD-ROM drive.
[05:55] <stweston> all right. that's what others have said, too.
[05:55] <stweston> thanks for the help, anyway! I just got a reply for a forum topic about drivers for this CD drive!!
[05:56] <Adoleo> stweston: Nice - hopefully that will turn out to be a good lead.  Good luck
[05:56] <stweston> yup
[05:56] <stweston> thanks!
[05:56] <stweston> 1 final note, tho
[05:56] <stweston> these people in the Ubuntu community are REALLY helpful
[05:57] <Adoleo> stweston: I'm glad to hear it!  I think we're all just thrilled that we get this fantastic software for free, and we all want to pay it forward.
[05:57] <stweston> yeah
[05:57] <stweston> that's sweet
[05:57] <Adoleo> stweston: That's what Open Source is built on
[05:57] <stweston> I know!
[05:57] <stweston> see ya, then.
[05:58]  * hads likes friendly people
[05:58]  * Adoleo does too
[06:11] <codeape> hey guys, i'm having a very bizarre problem on a fresh install of Hardy 8.04.1 -- I can ssh to my box fine, but scp simply hangs. I can't even do a basic "ssh user@host uname" - it just hangs. any ideas?
[06:24] <ASASA> hellooo any one can help me???
[06:25]  * ASASA any one live!!
[06:31]  * Adoleo is live
[06:31]  * Adoleo is breathing
[06:31]  * Adoleo wants to go to bed, though.  :-)
[06:52] <codeape> hopefully someone can help -- very weird SSH problem. sshing to my hardy server box works fine, I get a shell no problems; whenever I try to SCP or include a command as an argument (ie ssh user@host uname), it simply hangs and doesn't do anything
[07:22] <Theban> I'm installing phpbb2 on my Ubuntu Server 8.04 and it's stopped on "Creating MySQL tables if they don't exist yet"
[07:22] <Theban> it's created 30 tables and isn't doing anything anymore
[07:23] <Theban> thoughts?
[07:44] <Ergo^> hello
[07:44] <Ergo^> hello, i needed to send mail from my server via smtp (mailboxes are handled by google), so i installed postfix, i chose "internet site" during setup do i need to configure it further, so its secure , or can i leave it as it is now after install ?
[07:53] <kgoetz> Theban: how are you installing?
[07:53] <Theban> sudo aptitude install phpbb2
[07:53] <Theban> i have no gui what-so-ever
[07:53] <kgoetz> Ergo^: thought about something like ssmtp? If the bugs dont worry you, its nice and small
[07:54] <Ergo^> kgoetz: well id rather stick with more "standard" solutions for now.
[07:54] <kgoetz> Theban: so im following you - apt has still not returned you to your CLI?
[07:54] <Theban> CLI?
[07:54] <kgoetz> Theban: command line
[07:55] <Theban> ah yes
[07:55] <Theban> it's just stopped
[08:19] <chmac> Is there a standard command that works across all distros to figure out what distro you're on?
[08:20] <Theban> O_O
[08:20] <Theban> good question
[08:24] <chmac> Theban: :)
[08:30] <scuser> hi all, I'm using ubuntu 8.04 and I want to install login.kbr5, does anyone know which package should I install ?
[08:34] <soren> krb5-rsh-server
[08:38] <kraut> moin
[08:42] <scuser> soren:  ok done, how can I use it ?
[08:46] <soren> scuser: What do you mean?
[08:47] <scuser> soren: I mean that I've created some users such as admin/admin and I want to authenticate them using kerberos
[08:49] <slangasek> authenticate them remotely, or locally?
[08:49] <Theban> when i type something like a command with --help and it shows a bunch of info
[08:50] <Theban> how can i see it so i don't miss the top of it
[08:50] <Theban> gets cut off
[08:51] <soren> Theban: "something --help | less"
[08:51] <scuser> slangasek: locally
[08:51] <_ruben> use shift-pageup to scroll up? :)
[08:51] <chmac> Theban: You mean how do you see the whole screen? You can't scroll?
[08:51] <slangasek> scuser: typically one uses pam_krb5 for that
[08:51] <Theban> i have no gui
[08:51] <slangasek> i.e., the libpam-krb5 package
[08:51] <Theban> need to see it by page or soemthing
[08:51] <chmac> Theban: If you're running in screen you can ctrl-ESC and then page up / down to go back / forward
[08:52] <_ruben> Theban: the console has a scrollback buffer as well
[08:52] <chmac> Theban: blah --help | less as soren said, or shft-pgup/pgdn
[08:52] <Theban> oh sorry
[08:52] <_ruben> Theban: but per page: somecommand | more
[08:55] <ropetin> Does anyone have experience with rsyslog?
[08:55] <Ergo^> http://paste2.org/p/78076 - is it safe how i set up my hostname, origin and destination ?
[08:56] <scuser> slangasek: but I couldn't find pam_krb5 after I've installed libpam-krb5, any ideas
[08:58] <slangasek> scuser: it's not a command, it's a pam module.  You have to configure /etc/pam.d/common-* to use it; there are probably howtos somewhere that explain it
[08:58] <slangasek> sorry, I don't know the locations of any off-hand
[08:59] <scuser> slangasek: ok thanks for the hint anyway I'll try to search for it, thanks for your time :)
[09:15] <Theban> sorry for the silly question but what is the command for making a folder readonly to a user but still full access for root?
[09:21] <ropetin> Theban: Do you want it to be readonly to all users or just one in particular?
[09:22] <sh4lindev> chown root folder; chmod 644 folder
[09:22] <Theban> read-only to the user that currently has read/write privs
[09:23] <ropetin> What sh4lindev just mentioned will give the owner read/write, the group and world read only
[09:23] <ropetin> Does that do what you want?
[09:24] <Theban> so it will change the owner to root and make everyone else read-only
[09:24] <Theban> ?
[09:24] <ropetin> No, you would need to 'chown root:root filename' to change the owner
[09:25] <Theban> ok, so i have a folder in which a user owns and has read/write permissions
[09:25] <Theban> i want that user to have read-only permissions
[09:26] <ropetin> so 'chown -R root:root /folder/location;
[09:26] <ropetin> ' sorry
[09:26] <ropetin> Then do what sh4lindev mentioned
[09:28] <Theban> chown -R root:root /folder/location && chown root /folder/location && chmod 644 /folder/location
[09:28] <Theban> yes?
[09:29] <ropetin> don't need the middle chown
[09:29] <Theban> ok
[09:30] <Theban> chown -R root:root /folder/location && chmod 644 /folder/location
[09:30] <Theban> all good?
[09:31] <ropetin> Yup
[09:32] <Theban> tyvm
[09:33] <ropetin> NP!
[10:03] <gianni> hi
[10:03] <gianni> i have 3 pc (<IP_ADDRESS> SERVER - <IP_ADDRESS> client1 - <IP_ADDRESS>3 client2) can i configure my server vpn for talk with client1 and client2? my actual daemon config file is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/50014/
[10:07] <ikonia> gianni: if they are both on the same vpn - they will be able to see each other
[10:08] <gianni> ikonia the question is: how can i configure the client2 in openvpn server conf file ?
[10:08] <gianni> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/50014/
[10:08] <gianni> client2 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:09] <ikonia> gianni you shouldn't need to
[10:09] <ikonia> gianni: if you make a vpn connection to the same network - you should be on that network
[10:09] <gianni> ikonia please see conf file..
[10:10] <ikonia> I've just looked
[10:10] <ikonia> what vpn daemon are you using ?
[10:10] <Deeps> gianni: you need to read the openvpn howto for multiple clients
[10:10] <ikonia> is your network offering dhcp ?
[10:10] <gianni> it make a vpn to <IP_ADDRESS> (server) to <IP_ADDRESS> (client1)
[10:10] <Deeps> gianni: as you're currently configured for a single client on a static key
[10:10] <gianni> deeps true.. i should conf it for two client
[10:10] <gianni> with single key
[10:11] <gianni> how can i change my conf ? some suggest ?
[10:11] <Deeps> gianni: http://openvpn.net/howto.html#pki
[10:11] <Deeps> gianni: read the howto, it's a long process
[10:11] <Deeps> gianni: section: "Setting up your own Certificate Authority (CA) and generating certificates and keys for an OpenVPN server and multiple clients"
[10:12] <ikonia> Deeps: good guide
[10:12] <gianni> uhm..
[10:12] <gianni> i cant use same key with no cert for all clients ?
[10:12] <ikonia> gianni: read that guide, it's excellent
[10:12] <ikonia> I'd forgot about that guide
[10:12] <Deeps> gianni: read the howto, it explains everything in full detail
[10:13] <gianni> i saw that but dont reply to my question.
[10:13] <Deeps> gianni: and you'll get better answers from that guide than you will from irc
[10:13] <Deeps> gianni: it does, read it from the start.
[10:13] <gianni> my question is: It`s possible make a VPN with 1 server and 2 client with onlyone key and no cert ecc. ?
[10:14] <ikonia> gianni: the guide gives you the config to use
[10:14] <gianni> if so, what i should change in my conf?
[10:14] <gianni> ikonia false..
[10:14] <hads> It does.
[10:14] <gianni> guide dont reply to it..
[10:14] <gianni> guide say make cert, make keys bla bla bla..
[10:14] <gianni> other method.
[10:14] <Theban> howto remove a folder that is not empty?
[10:15] <ikonia> Theban: -rf
[10:15] <Theban> ty
[10:15] <hads> -r alone is probably a better start :)
[10:15] <ikonia> gianni: thats the correct method to use
[10:15] <Theban> oh?
[10:15] <gianni> ikonia but my question is different.
[10:15] <ikonia> Theban: -f =force
[10:15] <ikonia> gianni: no it's not
[10:15] <ikonia> gianni: you need to setup the certs
[10:16] <gianni> ikonia yes it is
[10:16] <gianni> no it isnt
[10:16] <gianni> i can use single key too.
[10:16] <hads> Then OpenVPN docs on their site are pretty good. I've read through them and they do cover what you're asking.
[10:16] <ikonia> gianni: I'm scan reading it now - and to get multiple clients running you'll need to set up a multiple client config that is the certificate method in that guide
[10:16] <ikonia> gianni: if you know you can use a single key - why are you asking if you can
[10:17] <gianni> ikonia because i dont know how to edit my conf
[10:17] <Theban> sudo rmdir -r folder
[10:17] <Theban> ?
[10:17] <ikonia> gianni: but that guide says to not do that
[10:17] <gianni> theban rm -rf folder
[10:17] <hads> Theban: Correct. Be careful with that though.
[10:17] <ikonia> Theban: sorry rm -r dir
[10:18] <Theban> ty
[10:18] <hads> Of course I can't read, what ikonia said.
[10:18] <gianni> ikonia: i dont found it..
[10:19] <ikonia> gianni: follow the guide - or don't - it's up to you
[10:19] <ikonia> gianni: that guide is excellent though and from the official site and is giving you the "correct" way to do this
[10:20] <gianni> ikonia if i use this method i have one motivation.
[10:20] <gianni> and this howto dont reply to my question.
[10:21] <ikonia> gianni: contact open vpn support methods then
[10:21] <gianni> ...........
[10:21] <ikonia> gianni: you've been given the correct answer for how to achieve what you want
[10:30] <Theban> i need to give a file read access by anyone
[10:30] <Theban> what is the chmod for that?
[10:30] <henkjan> chmod a+r
[10:31] <henkjan> sorr
[10:31] <henkjan> sorry
[10:31] <Theban> ?
[10:31] <henkjan> thats wrong
[10:31] <Theban> do you know it?
[10:31] <slangasek> no, it isn't
[10:32] <henkjan> okay, a+r works
[10:32] <henkjan> but a-r removes read access for everyone
[10:32] <slangasek> yes, + is the opposite of - ?
[10:34] <Theban> i'm guessing a+w is write then? lol
[10:34] <slangasek> yes.  perhaps you would find it helpful to read the chmod manpage?
[10:34] <Theban> good point ^_^
[10:35] <Theban> thx much
[10:35] <Theban> does vncviewer work only if the computer your connecting to has a gui?
[10:35] <ropetin> Theban: Yup
[10:36] <ropetin> Otherwise, ssh is probably better
[10:36] <Theban> can windows ssh to a linux server?
[10:37] <gianni> sure google putty.exe
[10:37] <ropetin> Yup yup!  PuTTY is a popular client
[11:12] <marc-andre> hiho
[11:12] <Theban> hi
[11:12] <marc-andre> i search for a simple solution to monitor in the console my apache2
[11:13] <marc-andre> i remember under my old Gentoo server i had something included in my apache installation
[11:13] <hads> Monitor how?
[11:13] <marc-andre> how many forks are running, how many clients are connected, this kind of stats
[11:15] <hads> I did run across something like that once. Can't recall the name off the top of my head
[11:16] <marc-andre> i found apachetop, but its not what i am looking for
[11:22] <Theban> how can i have my ubuntu server run a mount command on startup?
[11:24] <hads> Theban: Typically if you want to mount something at startup you'd put it in /etc/fstab
[11:25] <Theban> just edit fstab and add the mount line as i would type it?
[11:25] <Theban> err wait
[11:25] <Theban> nvm
[11:25] <Theban> forget i said that haha
[11:25] <hads> :)
[11:25] <hads> man fstab and the comments in it will show you
[14:09] <ghaleb_> hello, my freeradius server accept login from radtest using LDAP, but from NAS it doesn't .. saying:rlm_ldap: Attribute "User-Password" is required for authentication.
[14:13] <sommer> ghaleb_: can you configure the NAS to use the userPassword attribute?
[14:18] <ghaleb_> sommer: I don't think so,  the NAS is  a wireless  access point
[14:40] <zzgvh> Dunno if anyone remebers me from yesterday, I'm trying to set up a hardy server host with several virtual hardy server guests. I managed to get one guest working with ubuntu-vm-builder and some fudging. After that I used virt-clone to create another guest. The guests have static IP numbers and I had to change eth0 to eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces to get networking to play ball. So now I can start one guest and ssh to it on t
[14:42] <henkjan> zzgvh: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[14:48] <zzgvh> Hehe...I've been there. Problem is I don't understand it ;-) Not a ubuntu guru...so I don't know what to look for. There's config info there for eth0 and eth1 with different MACs, all other attributes look the same
[14:53] <kirkland> sommer: i'm looking at it now
[14:53] <zzgvh> Alternatively, is there some other way to create clones from a master VM? I'm just looking for a way ahead here, it doesn't have to be using virt-clone
[14:57] <sommer> kirkland: cool, I think cjwatson may have fixed it... unattended-upgrades package not on the server cd, or something like that
[14:57] <kirkland> sommer: just saw that :-)
[14:57] <kirkland> sommer: thanks for the report and heads up
[14:57] <sommer> kirkland: no problem
[15:06] <kirkland> nxvl: could you perhaps help translate bug #273731?  :-)
[15:12] <nxvl> kirkland: working on it
[15:13] <kirkland> nxvl: thanks, dude
[15:14] <nxvl> kirkland: heh, you don't really want me to translate it
[15:14] <nxvl> :P
[15:14] <nxvl> it's not a bug
[15:14] <nxvl> it's a complaing about "why do i need to write password, isn't this a free OS"
[15:14] <kirkland> nxvl: :-)  nice, would you respond and close it?
[15:14] <kirkland> nxvl: ???
[15:15] <nxvl> yup
[17:25] <RediXe> mySQL default port is 3306?
[17:26] <thefish> RediXe: yep
[17:26] <RediXe> thefish, thx
[18:46] <kopa> alias
[18:48] <ivoks> nxvl: thank you for the comment on the bacula bug :D
[18:49] <nxvl> ivoks: :D i have ROFL reading that bug
[18:49] <nxvl> is just "complain, complain complain complain"
[18:49] <nxvl> and in funny ways
[18:50] <nxvl> and about unimportant stuff
[18:51] <ivoks> i tought its the same bug as the one with mysql
[18:51] <ivoks> the on for mysql was in german :D
[18:53] <nxvl> this one says: "why is this so difficult, why it ask me a password, isn't free? internet should be free for everyone"
[18:53] <nxvl> and it was just gksu asking for her password
[18:54] <ivoks> nah... during install, one must provide password for pgsql user :)
[18:54] <nxvl> then it's that
[18:54] <nxvl> she was complaining about a password "that noone tolds me which it is"
[18:54] <ivoks> maybe it's a but in translation
[18:55] <ivoks> maybe it isn't clear that user should provide a password
[18:55] <ivoks> s/but/bug/ :D
[18:55] <nxvl> maybe
[18:55] <nxvl> i don't have any spanish system on hands
[18:55] <nxvl> and i don't want one
[18:55] <nxvl> :D
[18:55] <ivoks> :)
[19:45] <bdmurray> Who hanles the print server?
[19:49] <mathiaz> bdmurray: noone in particular - what's your issue ?
[19:49] <bdmurray> mathiaz: bug 254581
[19:50] <mathiaz> bdmurray: right
[19:51] <mathiaz> bdmurray: why do you ask ?
[19:54] <bdmurray> mathiaz: I was just reviewing that reporter's bugs
[21:20] <melter> i have a server w/ 2 scsi cards, 2 drives on each (4 total); how do i get the installer to install a mbr?
[21:44] <melter> is there a step-by-step, detailed document for installing ubuntu server?
[21:48] <mathiaz> !serverguide | melter
[21:52] <nxvl> sommer: btw, i was looking for an opevpn guide yesterday and i noticed that we haven't one on the server guide, any plans for it?
[21:52] <lamont> nxvl: say like a link to openvpn's howto?
[21:53] <nxvl> lamont: i'm not sure about linking external howto's into the server guid
[21:53] <nxvl> guide*
[21:53] <sommer> nxvl: I didn't have any plans for intrepid, but might not be a bad idea for jaunty
[21:54] <nxvl> sommer: :D
[21:54] <nxvl> sommer: if it's on your ToDo list i'm happy
[21:54] <sommer> nxvl: the idea is now on the list
[21:55]  * nxvl HUGS sommer
[21:57] <melter> mathiaz: is that all? nothing step-by-step, including how to configure grub?
[21:58] <mathiaz> melter: the installer should take care of installing grub correctly (at least on the primary disk in your case)
[21:58] <melter> mathiaz: it's not, though
[21:58] <melter> i tried booting from all 4 drives, one by one, and none has a mbr
[21:59] <melter> i tried running the grub install from the menu, but it doesn't prompt me
[21:59] <melter> this is happening on 2 of my 4 servers
[21:59] <melter> so it's not just 1 server
[22:02] <mathiaz> melter: but the installer correctly detects your four drives and is able to install the system on one of them ?
[22:04] <nxvl> melter: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/installing-from-cd.html
[22:05] <melter> mathiaz: yes, i'm splitting the install across all 4, no problem
[22:05] <melter> everything works great, but i just can't boot
[22:06] <nxvl> melter: did it promts grub on install?
[22:06] <nxvl> err
[22:06] <nxvl> on boot
[22:07] <melter> no
[22:07] <nxvl> not even that?
[22:07] <melter> i have an old lilo boot from a previous install, it finds that, but just prints "L 99 99 99....."
[22:07] <mathiaz> melter: right - so you're using a RAID setup ?
[22:07] <melter> but that's supposed to be overwritten, because the system it's looking for no longer exists
[22:08] <melter> mathiaz: no, one drive has /, one has /home, one has /usr/local, and one has /boot, swap, and /opt
[22:09] <melter> no raid, no lvm, no encryption, nothing fancy, just plain old ext3 (ext2 for /boot)
[22:10] <mathiaz> melter: why do you want to put /boot on its own drive ?
[22:10] <melter> mathiaz: /boot, /opt, and swap are three partitions on the smaller drive
[22:13] <mathiaz> melter: try to put /boot on the same drive as / - your setup may confuse the installer.
[22:13] <melter> mathiaz: ok, i'll give that a shot
[22:18] <bdmurray> mathiaz: is that print-server bug not that important or ?
[22:19] <FFEMTcJ> i was told that there is something i can install from the repos  that will take my server install back to default.. does anyone know anything about this?
[22:19] <mathiaz> bdmurray: it's a suggestion that should be discussed - but it's not critical.
[22:20] <bdmurray> mathiaz: I'll set the importance to Low? to reflect that then
[22:21] <mathiaz> bdmurray: wfm
[22:22] <mathiaz> sommer: I'm reviewing the ldap section of the server guide.
[22:22] <mathiaz> sommer: I think the usage of slapadd should be replaced with ldapadd in the section about ldap population
[22:22] <mathiaz> sommer: so that you don't have to stop the server when adding new entries.
[22:24] <infinity> mathiaz: Nonsense, slapcat/sed/slapadd are the way and the light!
[22:24] <infinity> mathiaz: (And this is why no one lets me administer LDAP systems...)
[22:41] <melter> mathiaz: i got rid of /boot, and it still doesn't work
[23:29] <sommer> mathiaz: sounds reasonable, I'll update the commands


[08:43] <Mirv> mzanetti: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/621 QA granted but new commits in unity8
[08:52] <Mirv> Trevinho: hey. to me it looks like this ticket was properly even through the SRU queue and I have it now on my 14.04 LTS, should it be cleaned up so that branches are merged? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/519 - _except_ that unity-lens-music is not published, that should be done manually. did you do the rest somehow by manual copying?
[08:52] <Mirv> but I've unity, indicator-session and ido from the trusty-updates
[08:53] <Mirv> Trevinho: to me it looks mterry published the three packages but somehow unity-lens-music was apparently put to the silo afterwards? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-042-2-publish/7/artifact/packagelist_rsync_ubuntu-landing-042/*view*/
[08:53] <Mirv> Trevinho: I think the best thing would be to force merge for the others (I can do that) and put the unity-lens-music MP into new request
[09:10] <Trevinho> Mirv: ok...
[09:13] <mzanetti> Mirv, which one?
[09:14] <mzanetti> how can you read that log? :D
[09:17] <Mirv> mzanetti: not sure, this one has the latest commit looking manually https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/ubuntuanimations/+merge/276511 (same dates as the build date)
[09:17] <mzanetti> Mirv, that's the one I was waiting for before rebuilding the silo
[09:17] <mzanetti> should be fine
[09:18] <Mirv> mzanetti: checking manually that too
[09:18] <Mirv> mzanetti: correct, it's there
[09:19] <mzanetti> that ubuntuanimations one?
[09:24] <Mirv> Trevinho: bregma: ok you'll want to have another request for https://code.launchpad.net/~townsend/unity-lens-music/fix-icon-path.trusty.SRU/+merge/265656 that was not published back when unity + ido + indicator-session were. the previous ticket is now cleaned it trunks are up-to-date.
[09:24] <Trevinho> Mirv: ok, thanks
[09:26] <pandatrone> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1518122
[09:39] <mzanetti> @unity: Merging time!
[09:40] <mzanetti> if youre on xenial, you need to wait a bit for the latest uniy-api packages still
[09:42] <seb128> I just copied that over
[09:43] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: i see nothing new in lp:unity8 still
[10:16] <VsyachePuz> is it possible to insert a long progress bar between main menu and ApplicationIndicators panel (for MATE that will be panel applet)
[10:20] <VsyachePuz> I want to implement "minimize window to progressbar" function
[10:49] <VsyachePuz> Is unity-panel derived from gnome-panel? Does this mean, that it is possible to add "panel applet" to unity panel?
[11:35] <dandrader> ltinkl, could you please review that: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/mouseWheel/+merge/278009
[11:35] <dandrader> ltinkl, it's the new iteration of fixWheel
[11:36] <dandrader> ltinkl, done the way I initially suggested you
[11:41] <tsdgeos> cimi: ping
[11:50] <cimi> tsdgeos, pong
[11:55] <tsdgeos> cimi: do we really need the topMargin: 0.1 in https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/new-shadows-1.3/+merge/271611 ?
[11:55] <tsdgeos> i can't see any difference on the top of the apps with or without
[11:55] <tsdgeos> even when zooming in
[11:56] <cimi> tsdgeos, yes we do, is the shadows that is around the cards
[11:56] <cimi> tsdgeos, it will be cut off at the top by some clipping done
[11:56] <tsdgeos> well i have screenshots that prove we do not need it
[11:56] <tsdgeos> can you show me some screenshots proving we do?
[11:56] <tsdgeos> or telling me where to look
[11:56] <cimi> so you move things slightly down...
[11:57] <cimi> tsdgeos, can I see this screenshot of a collapsed category?
[11:57] <tsdgeos> collapsed category?
[11:58] <tsdgeos> this is just for the apps scope, isn't it?
[11:59] <cimi> mmm yeah for now
[12:00] <tsdgeos> so is there a way to reproduce this problem you're speaking at the moment?
[12:07] <cimi> tsdgeos, make tryGenericScopeView iirc
[12:07] <cimi> or tryDash
[12:07] <cimi> let me try to compile here...
[12:09] <cimi> there is one scope that fakes to be app scope, so you see the shadows, and the top edge of collapsed app category will be clipped if you don't add the margin
[12:10] <cimi> nope there is none here in those tests, it must have been something I edited locally to make it behave as app sope
[12:10] <cimi> scope
[12:12] <tsdgeos> cimi: if we don't relaly need it today i'd prefer we leave that out, since i'm not convinced it's the proper fix for that
[12:12] <cimi> tsdgeos, we need that visual thing
[12:12] <tsdgeos> but you just said there's no way to reproduce it?
[12:13] <cimi> on the phone yes
[12:13] <cimi> the app scope
[12:13] <cimi> if you remove the margin and take a screenshot, you should see the top edge of the shadow being clipped
[12:13] <cimi> unless something changed in uitk and it is no longer the case
[12:14] <tsdgeos> i'll show you my screenshots
[12:14] <cimi> thanks!
[12:17] <ltinkl> dandrader, sure, will do
[12:18] <tsdgeos> cimi: http://i.imgur.com/TlpnLTP.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/eBbccPj.jpg
[12:20] <tsdgeos> cimi: also what do you think about http://paste.ubuntu.com/13364390/ ?
[12:21] <cimi> tsdgeos, I like that pastebin
[12:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, indeed I cannot see any difference from your screenshots
[12:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, maybe something changed in the way it was rendered by uitk
[12:22] <cimi> I want to check here too though, I will let you know
[12:24] <tsdgeos> cimi: cool tx
[12:31] <tsdgeos> the merges have landed
[12:32]  * tsdgeos runs the conflcits script
[12:32] <tsdgeos> and goes for food
[12:45] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok no difference now, maybe the shadow got tweaked so it's not at the top anymore
[12:45] <cimi> we can remove for now the margin I'd say
[12:45] <cimi> GRID_UNIT_PX=28 tools/unity-scope-tool /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/unity-scopes/clickapps/clickscope.ini
[12:45] <cimi> tested this way
[12:51] <cimi> tsdgeos, that was the uitk branch I thought it was meant to fix your bug https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/focusPassesFromChildToParent/+merge/277962
[13:33] <tsdgeos> cimi: have you had time to try it?
[13:33] <tsdgeos> the sdk branch i mean
[13:34] <cimi> nope
[13:44] <tsdgeos> cimi: so are you removing the topMArgin and adding my pastebin suggestion?
[13:50] <tsdgeos> @unity: an easy one https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/update_pot/+merge/278147
[13:52] <mterry> tsdgeos got i
[13:52] <mterry> t
[13:52] <mterry> ah so did ltinkl  :)
[13:52] <mterry> so fast
[13:52] <ltinkl> :)
[13:52] <ltinkl> the checklist needs one more item
[13:53] <ltinkl> * If you changed user-visible strings, have you run "update_pot"? :)
[13:53] <tsdgeos> i did argue for that
[13:53] <tsdgeos> everyone thought it was a bad idea because it has to be properly fixed elsewhere
[13:53] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, even better would be to write a test/commit hook for that
[13:54] <tsdgeos> but since it will noy be fixed properly elsewhere because it's too much work we still have this problem every time we land something
[13:54] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, what do you mean by "properly fixed elsewhere"?
[13:54] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: it's hard since you'd need a tool that really understood
[13:54] <tsdgeos> .po diffs
[13:55] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: something that runs this automagically under the hood like we have in KDE
[13:55] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ye but you could change the source code diff for qStr, tr, etc...
[13:56] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, and see if the .pot file changed too with the commit
[13:56] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, ehm change diff, I mean check the diff
[13:56] <tsdgeos> yeah i got it
[13:56] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, dunno if bzr has some "commit hooks"
[13:56] <tsdgeos> it does
[13:57] <tsdgeos> we used to have one for something at some poitn
[13:57] <tsdgeos> barely rember what for though
[14:10] <cimi> tsdgeos, yes
[14:15] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ltinkl, we still have that commit hook. it runs make test
[14:16] <mzanetti> ltinkl, inside a unity code tree, do "cd .bazaar && make install"
[14:31] <ltinkl> mzanetti, I see
[14:32] <ltinkl> dandrader, the new wheel fixes work fine, gonna test it on an external screen in a few minutes
[14:33] <mzanetti> ltinkl, can you combine them with my uinput branch and try if two-finger scrolling works?
[14:33] <mzanetti> oh... you don't have a nexus device iirc
[14:36] <ltinkl> mzanetti, yeah :/ gonna do the test with the laptop (hopefully that works)
[15:02] <dandrader> greyback_, that thing you asked me the other day, needs review: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/useApplicationStateAPI/+merge/277720
[15:08] <greyback_> dandrader: thanks
[15:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: That's really weird, http://i.imgur.com/TlpnLTP.jpg is what i get.
[15:30] <mzanetti> odd
[15:30] <mzanetti> maybe I installed it wrong?
[15:31] <mzanetti> @unity: standup
[15:31] <mzanetti> dednick, ^
[15:35] <mzanetti> cimi, tsdgeos: https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/new-shadows-1.3/+merge/271611/comments/704186
[15:38] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, is that the new icons?
[15:39] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: yes
[15:39] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, looks so much nicer
[15:40] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: yeah i guess it'd be better if the store icon was on the same style too
[15:41] <mzanetti> ltinkl, well, actually its only new shadows
[15:41] <mzanetti> crazy how big of a difference that can make, eh?
[15:42] <ltinkl> yeah, suddenly it looks much cleaner
[15:42] <tsdgeos> cimi: i guess you can do that from qml/Dash/GenericScopeView.qml  assigning the item.artShapeStyle = "icon"; for scope.id [15:43] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah but is not an icon, should use artShapeStyle = "shadow", maybe
[15:43] <cimi> not sure I added that too...
[15:43] <cimi> let me read
[15:43] <cimi> tsdgeos, icon style uses a strict aspect ratio
[15:43] <cimi> tsdgeos, shadow instead should simply add a shadow, it's what I use for carousel
[15:44] <cimi> yeah I confirm, should be set to shadow
[15:44] <tsdgeos> cimi: ah, try that yeah
[15:46] <cimi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13366800/
[15:47] <cimi> mmm not working
[16:15] <cimi> mzanetti, tsdgeos looks like the shadow is builtin in the card I believe
[16:15]  * cimi checks
[16:16] <cimi> no, wrong, but is not a trivial thing
[16:35] <cimi> mzanetti, tsdgeos https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/shadow-ubuntu-store-icon/+merge/278172
[16:35] <cimi> as a separate branch
[16:36] <mzanetti> wow, quite a lot of code to change a shadow
[16:37] <cimi> mzanetti, welcome to CardCreator.js world :)
[16:50] <ChrisTownsend> Eek, no more cursor on xenial Unity 8 desktop w/ 8.11+16.04.20151112.1-0ubuntu1!
[16:57] <mzanetti> oh oh
[16:57]  * mzanetti tries
[17:04] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Any results?
[17:05] <mzanetti> indeed
[17:05] <mzanetti> dandrader, ^
[17:06] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: I suspect http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/revision/2041
[17:06] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: I'm rebuilding to test my theory.
[17:06] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: I'll enter a bug too.
[17:07] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, sounds like the closest, yes. still a bit strange, I remember I tested and approved that branch. was working
[17:07] <mzanetti> so maybe a combination
[17:07] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Well, it's just a theory.:)
[17:10] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: dandrader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1518395
[17:10] <mzanetti> thanks
[17:10] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, we'll try to fix asap. sorry for the troubles
[17:10] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Ok, thanks
[17:12] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, wow
[17:12] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: lol, you went from 2 cursors to none;-)
[17:12] <mzanetti> haha
[17:13] <dandrader> :)
[17:13] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, please let us know if reverting that one commit helps
[17:14] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Yep, I'll let you guys know.  Still building...
[17:16] <ltinkl> weird, can't reproduce here (v+o)
[17:17]  * ltinkl wonders if this went thru QA
[17:18] <davmor2> I was testing bluez5 today I had a cursor on the latest phone image with a mouse connected
[17:19] <davmor2> If you are talking devel-proposed though that is completely broken
[17:20] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Oh, for heaven's sakes, the package build failed due to LauncherModelTest failing.
[17:22] <mzanetti> hmm
[17:23] <ChrisTownsend> I'm running build.sh instead.
[17:24] <ltinkl> ChrisTownsend, is this the problem: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/desktopFileActions/revision/2017#tests/plugins/Unity/Launcher/launchermodeltest.cpp
[17:25] <mzanetti> the test is passing here
[17:26] <dandrader> mzanetti, so you can reproduce that "no cursor" bug?
[17:26] <mzanetti> yes
[17:26] <mzanetti> dandrader, not happening for you?
[17:26] <dandrader> mzanetti, still bringing my test laptop to trunk state of qtmir, qtubuntu, unity-api and unity8
[17:27] <ChrisTownsend> ltinkl: mzanetti:  Here are failing tests as captured in the .xml file.  I think we can parse out the errors from it: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13369251/
[17:27] <mzanetti> I wonder how it passed in the silo then
[17:28] <ltinkl> it passes here
[17:28] <ChrisTownsend> This is better: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13369307/
[17:28] <ChrisTownsend> This is during package build time.
[17:28] <ltinkl> QFATAL : LauncherModelTest::testCountChangeSyncsToAS() Received signal 11
[17:28] <ltinkl> crashes?
[17:29] <ChrisTownsend> Basically, I did a bzr branch lp:unity8, reverted the one little change, and did a debuild -us -uc.
[17:30] <ltinkl> mzanetti, is "debuild" running tests during compilation?
[17:31] <ChrisTownsend> ltinkl: The tests run after everything compiles.
[17:31] <ChrisTownsend> ltinkl: But, yes, the tests are being run by debuild.
[17:33] <mzanetti> ltinkl, yes
[17:33] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, I've reverted that commit, cursor still gone
[17:34] <ChrisTownsend> Ok, well, there goes my theory:)
[17:34] <mzanetti> sad thing is, atm I don't have a better one
[17:35] <ltinkl> mzanetti, ChrisTownsend: I can't reproduce it here, with or without
[17:36] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: bregma doesn't see the issue either on xenial.
[17:36] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, mzanetti, I've a cursor here
[17:36] <mzanetti> ltinkl, the missing cursor or the launcher test?
[17:36] <ltinkl> mzanetti, neither
[17:37] <ChrisTownsend> Why, cursor, why?!?!?!?
[17:37] <ltinkl> mzanetti, but I'm convinced they're unrelated
[17:37] <mzanetti> definitely
[17:37] <mzanetti> ltinkl, test is passing for me too
[17:37] <ChrisTownsend> ltinkl: Oh, I don't think they are related either.
[17:37] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, could you please rm everything in .cache/upstart, launch a unity8-mir session, then send me the resulting unity8.log?
[17:38] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: Yep, will do.
[17:39] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, also, what do you have in /usr/share/icons/default and where does the symlink /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme point to?
[17:41] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: For you second question: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13369699/
[17:41] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: Working on the unity8.log.
[17:42] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, and "ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme"?
[17:43] <mzanetti> dandrader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13369707/
[17:43] <mzanetti> dandrader, this is, however, with the updateHotspot() commit removed
[17:43] <mzanetti> can't see any error message tho
[17:43] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13369768/
[17:44] <ChrisTownsend> $ ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme
[17:44] <ChrisTownsend> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Mar 18  2013 /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme -> /usr/share/icons/DMZ-White/cursor.theme
[17:44] <mzanetti> I know it is not just frozen because pressing "tab" allows me to focus the password field and I can log in. just no cursor around
[17:44] <dandrader> all seem fine
[17:46] <dandrader> mzanetti, willing (have time) to build&run a unity8 branch full of debug stuff to help me out? how much time you still have today before your EOD?
[17:46] <mzanetti> dandrader, can do
[17:47] <mzanetti> instructions?
[17:49] <ChrisTownsend> As an aside, I downgraded to the previous package version of Unity 8 and the cursor is back.
[17:50]  * mzanetti does some bisecting in the meantime
[17:50] <ltinkl> dandrader, can you reproduce? I can't
[17:51] <dandrader> mzanetti, ChrisTownsend, you guys should be using my laptop. everything works there. it's great!
[17:51] <dandrader> ltinkl, I can't either
[17:51] <mzanetti> haha
[17:51] <dandrader> ltinkl, so you must have a good laptop as well :)
[17:51] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: lol, I'm beginning to think my laptop is haunted.
[17:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, hmmm. could that be uinput telling unity8 there's no mouse present?
[17:53] <dandrader> mzanetti, that would make the Cursor.visible = false in Shell.qml
[17:53] <mzanetti> not excluding it, yes
[17:53] <mzanetti> in that case, likely
[17:53]  * mzanetti verifies
[17:53] <ltinkl> easy to check, connect one more mouse :)
[17:53] <dandrader> s/uinput/that input lib unity8 uses
[17:54]  * ltinkl tries w/o mouse, just with touchpad
[17:54] <mzanetti> right... must be it... ChrisTownsend and me using touchpad. afaik ltinkl and dandrader using desktops
[17:54] <ChrisTownsend> Right, I have a laptop w/ touchapd.
[17:54] <ltinkl> yeah
[17:54] <ltinkl> cursor gone when mouse is unplugged :/
[17:55] <mzanetti> ack.
[17:55] <ltinkl> just the touchpad doesn't cut it anymore
[17:55]  * mzanetti assigns bug back to himself
[17:56] <ChrisTownsend> Yep, when I plug in a mouse, the cursor shows up.
[17:56] <ltinkl> mzanetti, I wonder how your new virtual touchpad will come into the mix
[17:57] <mzanetti> that identifies itself as a mouse... and now I think that is wrong :D
[17:57] <dandrader> mzanetti, I've a mouse attached to my laptop
[17:57] <ltinkl> mzanetti, ye that too but think about this scenario: connect a BT mouse to your phone, attach a screen, disconnect the mouse -> cursor should still stay
[17:58] <ChrisTownsend> Funny, I can control the cursor with the touchpas as long as a mouse is plugged in.
[17:58] <ltinkl> ChrisTownsend, ye you can always control it, the problem is you can't see it :)
[17:58] <dandrader> mzanetti, ChrisTownsend, yeah, no mouse pointer once I detached the mouse
[17:59] <ChrisTownsend> Thanks guys for the help!
[18:00]  * davmor2 pictures mzanetti as the third chuckle brother, "to me, to you" :)
[18:01] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13370155/
[18:01] <bregma> I have a laptop with a touchpad (and touchscreen) and I see the cursor
[18:01] <mzanetti> bregma, up to date?
[18:02] <bregma> as of an hour ago, yes
[18:02] <mzanetti> hmm
[18:02] <ChrisTownsend> Maybe the touchscreen makes it appear.
[18:02] <mzanetti> unlikely
[18:02] <ltinkl> bregma, touchpad with physical buttons?
[18:02] <mzanetti> however, for example Meizu phones claim to have a mouse attached
[18:02] <bregma> man, the touchscreen really sucks wit hthe cursor
[18:02] <ltinkl> ChrisTownsend, ye unlikely, got a touch screen too
[18:02] <bregma> before I upgraded, the touchscreen wasn't working with Unity 8, so go figure
[18:03] <mzanetti> so I could imagine bregma's laptop having some weird thing that identifies itself as a mouse too
[18:03] <ltinkl> yea
[18:03] <mzanetti> bregma, would be nice if you could find out what on your system claims to be a mouse
[18:03] <bregma> I have an older semi-multitouch touchpad on this laptop
[18:03] <ltinkl> bregma, so your touchpad, a clickpad or with physical buttons
[18:03] <bregma> it has physical buttons
[18:03] <ChrisTownsend> lol, a Frankenstein laptop, probably a RasPi hanging off of it saying it's a mouse.
[18:03] <bregma> is there the equivalent of xinput for Mir/U8 ?
[18:03] <ltinkl> mzanetti, ye I think it's the physical buttons
[18:04] <dandrader> ltinkl, my test laptop touchpad's has physical buttons and I still don't get a cursor unless I connect a mouse to it
[18:04] <bregma> raspi is hanging off a different machine
[18:04] <ltinkl> dandrader, ye it probably depends on how the system sees the pointing device
[18:06] <bregma> oh, there's also a nipple on this machine
[18:07] <bregma> the nipple shows up with EV_SYN EV_KEY EV_REL
[18:07] <bregma> bet the system interprets that as a mouse-type device
[18:07] <bregma> good ol' EV_REL
[18:07] <mzanetti> bregma, how did you check?
[18:08] <bregma> su lsinput (from a  ssh session)
[18:09] <mzanetti> right... EV_ABS
[18:09] <bregma> the touchpad and touchscreen (and pen, although that's long lost somewhere down behind the desk) show up as EV_ABS devices, which makes perfect sense
[18:10] <mzanetti> strange tho... isn't a touchpad relative too?
[18:10] <bregma> no
[18:11] <mzanetti> if I touch my touchpad in the upper right corner, the cursor doesn't jump over there...
[18:11] <mzanetti> which is what I would understand as absolute
[18:11] <mzanetti> but it moves from it's current position relative to my finger movement...
[18:11] <bregma> that's because it's being treated as a mouse emulator
[18:11] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: BTW, your patch fixes it for me as well.
[18:11] <bregma> that's just how the system is interpreting the data, not how it's being reported
[18:12] <mzanetti> right...
[18:14] <ChrisTownsend> Another issue I'm seeing...the App Scope is behaving strangely.
[18:14] <ChrisTownsend> It always comes up in the upper left corner is kind of small.
[18:14] <ChrisTownsend> And scrolling in it is slow.  Resizing it is slow as well.
[18:17] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, close dash to make it respawn
[18:17] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: That does help.
[18:18] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: Known issue?
[18:18] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, the auto-started untiy8-dash  (as soon you log in a unity8-mir session ) is in some funky state
[18:18] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, it used to be worse. you would see only a black screen in place of unity8-dash until you closed/restarted it
[18:19] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, know but I'm not sure if it's reported
[18:19] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, *known
[18:19] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: Ok
[18:19] <ChrisTownsend> thanks
[18:21] <ltinkl> ChrisTownsend, I get a blank dash as well
[18:28] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, that's not new tho :/
[18:29] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, fix on the way btw: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/detect-touchpads/+merge/278190
[18:29] <mzanetti> including tests that test with touchpads too, not just mice
[18:29] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Well, a new qtmir was released today that I thought was supposed to revert the previous issue.  Is a different issue?
[18:29] <mzanetti> yes, the dash in desktop mode has been happening for ages already
[18:30] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Ok
[18:30] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, well, try just closing it, it should respawn and work
[18:30] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Right, the defacto way to fix the Dash in desktop:)
[18:31] <mzanetti> ChrisTownsend, but good to know it's still happening for you. Albert tried today and couldn't repro any more
[18:31] <mzanetti> will let him know on monday
[18:31] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Well, it seemed to be working better after the qtmir update, but before the latest unity8 update.
[18:32] <mzanetti> mhm
[18:32] <mzanetti> I still think it is a race
[18:32] <mzanetti> and not being fixed yet
[18:32] <mzanetti> albert and gerry weren't sure if they fixed it. just happened to change something in the area and it wouldn't happen any more for them
[18:32] <mzanetti> anyhow, will keep it on the list then
[18:33] <mzanetti> thanks for all the feedback ChrisTownsend, much appreciated
[18:33] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Ok, thanks.
[18:33] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Sure, I'm glad to help.
[18:33] <mzanetti> ok. gotta leave now.
[18:33] <mzanetti> have a nice weekend everybody!
[18:33] <mzanetti> o/
[18:33] <ChrisTownsend> mzanetti: Bye!
[20:35] <VsyachePuz> shiznix: tell this to the authors of Workrave application which was forced to implement a class per each type of panel.


[20:26] <zeestrat> thumper: Regarding your last question in #1746265, it is a blocker as we haven't been able to get our controllers upgraded at all due to hitting this bug in our staging environment after multiple tries in clean environments. I can reproduce it again with some more logging if you'd like, but then I need to know which flags you want.
[20:26] <mup> Bug #1746265: juju-upgrade from 2.2.9 to 2.3.2 fails with state changing too quickly <upgrade-juju> <juju:Triaged> <juju 2.2:Won't Fix> <juju 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746265>
[20:29] <thumper> zeestrat: every time?
[20:29] <thumper> FFS
[20:29] <thumper> zeestrat: which TZ is best for you?
[20:31] <zeestrat> Unfortunately, yes. After the 3rd try I figured it was better to ask you all.
[20:34] <zeestrat> I'm CET though I can get in an hour or two during these hours if you give me a heads up which days work for you.
[21:03] <thumper> zeestrat: I may have to pass this off to someone closer to you
[21:03] <thumper> zeestrat: he is UTC+4
[21:08] <zeestrat> thumper: Sure thing. Appreciate any help. Just to confirm, is it alright to wipe the bug environment if it can be reproduced later?
[21:08] <thumper> zeestrat: yep
[21:08] <thumper> all good
[21:10] <zeestrat> thumper: Great. Got some nasty OpenStack bugs to nail. Thanks again.


[08:13] <RikMills> where is studio specifying the sddm theme to use?
[13:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: ubuntustudio-default-settings. I might be able do drum that up for you.
[13:33] <RikMills> Eickmeyer[m]: no worries. I found it :)
[13:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> RikMills: Awesome. :)
[14:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wCNhyQ5j95/
[14:26] <OvenWerks> thank you
[14:27] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: that looks like the one you sent before, good.
[14:29] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: honestly, I think what happened is you ended up with a file that was not fully converted (earlier beta) or it got used with a prebeta version
[14:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Most likely.


[03:17] <JackFrost> bluesabre: Debian #889019
[10:39] <bluesabre> JackFrost: oh wow. Does that affect us?
[10:44] <JackFrost> xubuntu-docs, sooo...
[10:44] <bluesabre> aha
[10:46] <JackFrost> Hellos.
[10:47] <bluesabre> hiiii
[10:58] <JackFrost> I'm not sure what one is supposed to use for translations now.
[11:00] <JackFrost> poxml is a thing, a KDE thing.  It'd be a little awkward and very funny to use that.
[11:14] <bluesabre> Is that the main thing we use gnome-doc-utils for, or is it deeper-level than that?
[11:17] <JackFrost> I think.  But that's...The translations. :P
[11:17] <JackFrost> Then again, IIRC all the docbook stuff is orphaned.
[11:28] <bluesabre> :D
[11:28] <bluesabre> I guess what I'm trying to determine is if we need to migrate to something else
[11:29] <JackFrost> gnome-doc-utils is in the process of being removed, but I think docbook is safe, for now.
[11:30] <JackFrost> Last release 2016.
[18:00] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- Reminder: Next meeting chair is Liaison:
[22:56] <ochosi> JackFrost: please change your nick to "Liaison" :D
[23:37] <JackFrost> Haha! :D


[01:09] <Plug> 01:43 < brian98> nice plug
[01:09] <Plug> thank you ;)
[03:58] <brian98> hey all
[03:59] <brian98> Elkbuntu, wondering if you had a few minutes at some stage wouldn't mind having a pm
[04:00] <brian98> your away not to worry!
[04:06] <brian98> anyone here ?
[04:09] <brian98> I guess not
[04:49] <BHSPitLappy> heya.
[06:15] <poningru> guys the sobby server is backup
[06:15] <poningru> so please work on the UWN
[06:15] <poningru> brian98: whatsup?
[06:17] <brian98> poningru, I was looking at doing some marketing in Ireland.
[06:17] <brian98> I run a company been involved in network support etc.. for the past 14 yrs.. Back to novell days
[06:18] <brian98> Just wondering who would be the best person to talk to about marketing support. Or what way it works. I notice Ireland is not very well represented
[06:22] <poningru> woah
[06:22] <poningru> hmm
[06:22] <brian98> ?
[06:22] <poningru> well best thing to do would be to join create a loco team
[06:23] <poningru> err join/create*
[06:23] <poningru> brian98: it depends on what kinda marketing you want to do
[06:23] <poningru> if you want to traditional you can just do things like sign up to be a ubuntu affiliate
[06:23] <poningru> normal ads etc.
[06:24] <poningru> but if you want to do community based marketing
[06:24] <Madpilot> There are some very active members of the Ubuntu community from Ireland - ompaul, for one
[06:24] <poningru> yeah and canonical is based off of Isle of man
[06:24] <elkbuntu> i've directed him to contact mr ompaul :)
[06:24] <poningru> awesome
[06:32] <brian98> ok cool!
[06:32] <brian98> If you could ask ompaul to conact me maybe
[06:32] <brian98> forget it
[06:32] <brian98> I just seen elkbuntu's msg
[06:32] <brian98> thanks for you help
[06:59] <poningru> heh
[07:00] <poningru> so I am going to orlando afterall
[07:01] <BHSPitLappy> don't go to disneyworld
[07:01] <BHSPitLappy> universal++
[07:11] <poningru> BHSPitLappy: to meet jono
[07:11] <poningru> no disney or universal etc.
[07:11] <BHSPitLappy> k
[07:11] <poningru> BHSPitLappy: where do you live?
[07:11] <BHSPitLappy> TX
[07:11] <poningru> ah nm
[07:11] <poningru> thought you might be in fl
[07:11] <BHSPitLappy> nope
[07:11] <BHSPitLappy> I didn't think anybody really lived there
[07:12] <poningru> hehe
[07:12] <BHSPitLappy> that it was just a transitive place for tourists
[09:11] <elkbuntu> ompaul, twas brian98
[09:11] <ompaul> hmm
[09:12] <ompaul> brian98, give me a yell on<PHONE_NUMBER> later on :-)
[09:12] <ompaul> it is a bit eriler
[09:12] <ompaul> early even
[09:12] <elkbuntu> i directed him to your LP page and to the contact information for the ie loco
[09:12] <ompaul> thanks
[09:12] <ompaul> well as you can see I directed him to my phone - very fast way to exchange information
[09:12] <ompaul> :)
[09:13] <elkbuntu> indeed
[09:13] <ompaul> however it is not IRC :)
[09:13] <ompaul> I had to rebuild my hardware machine to do the "write the dvd" for edgy
[09:14] <elkbuntu> o.O
[09:15] <elkbuntu> alternative disk still too big?
[09:15] <ompaul> I just did a DVD burn
[09:15] <ompaul> there are no CDs in the cdimage. ... /edgy/beta
[09:15] <ompaul> so I guess so
[09:15] <ompaul> but then it is edgy :)
[09:16] <ompaul> I do like the new splash
[09:18] <ompaul> I think linux format (the uk edition (august maybe) it is orange on the outside has a great thing inside in the first editorial
[09:18] <ompaul> When your FLOSS software does not do what you want - Ask for it nicely
[09:19] <elkbuntu> hehe
[09:19] <ompaul> if it is faulty report it
[09:19] <ompaul> I used it on some staff - I handed them the article and asked them to read it - it is two paragraphs
[09:19] <ompaul> long
[09:19] <ompaul> so it was like 200 words on why you need to report things that may not appear to matter :)
[09:20] <ompaul> or do matter but you don't think
[09:20] <ompaul> about their impact on someone less computer literate than yourself
[10:54] <MenZa> I met up with Jenda yesterday :D
[10:58] <MenZa> Speaking of which, has he been around today?
[10:58] <MenZa> He mentioned his computer was kaputt yesterday; he was picking it up
[11:24] <elkbuntu> MenZa, he was on long enough to comment... let me scroll for it
[11:24] <MenZa> :D
[11:24] <elkbuntu> * jenda met up with MenZa today in Prague.  IMO, we've got a winner.
[02:52] <elkbuntu> :)
[02:52] <elkbuntu> definately
[02:52] <MenZa> Is this a vectorised image?
[02:53] <elkbuntu> im doubting
[02:53] <MenZa> Same here.
[02:53] <MenZa> Which would complicate matters.
[02:53] <MenZa> (read: impossiblify, for a lack of a better term)
[02:53] <elkbuntu> not if it was a huuuuuuuuuuge image to begin with
[02:53] <MenZa> A poster would have to be at least 5 or 6 times the size of that.
[02:53] <MenZa> true, true.
[02:54] <elkbuntu> scan something at 1200dpi, you get a decent image size ;)
[02:54] <yama> elkbuntu: you're involved in LoCo mentoring, yes?
[02:54] <elkbuntu> yama, indeed, i am
[02:55] <MenZa> More perspective on the Ubuntu logo on the sign
[02:55] <MenZa> It looks... too artificial
[02:55] <yama> elkbuntu: I'd like to bring to your attention (in case you didn't already know) the English Translation project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnglishTranslation
[02:55] <MenZa> And slightly more wear.
[02:56] <yama> elkbuntu: we are trying to make a unified (for all countries, particularly in the Commmonwealth) en_GB-based English translation. I was wondering if anything can be done to promote this project to other teams.
[02:57] <MenZa> Mmm, British English.
[02:57] <elkbuntu> yama, feel free to contact Plug here, in the -locoteams or -nz channels
[02:57] <jenda> It's a scanned image, with vector text&al, I believe
[02:57] <MenZa> jenda: :O
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> the -au translation team is working on it afaik
[02:57] <jenda> as in _hand-drawn_
[02:57] <jenda> :)
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, :o
[02:58] <MenZa> jenda: figured that myself, this is damn difficult to do an a computer
[02:58] <MenZa> (not as if it isn't to do it in hand, but it's more so on a computer I'd say)
[02:58] <MenZa> Who's the artist?
[02:58] <MenZa> Anyone on IRC, perchance?
[02:58] <yama> Kamping_Kaiser: that's right. In fact, it started as a splinter from the en_AU translation.
[02:59] <yama> wow, that poster is amazing
[02:59] <yama> although there are a few minor  mistakes
[02:59] <jenda> MenZa: no, forums, HanZo
[03:00] <jenda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248546
[03:00] <elkbuntu> i even liked the clean simplicity of the mockup
[03:00] <MenZa> So did I.
[03:01] <yama> Kamping_Kaiser: It's much better than it used to be. We have people from all over the world working on a really cool en_GB translation, which can be then be further localised into en_AU, en_NZ and so on
[03:01] <yama> Kamping_Kaiser: if you're interested, I can approve you as a member (I'm an admin)
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> yama, yup. i'v seen the conversations about it in -au :)
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> yama, dont have time, i'm already doing to much :)
[03:02] <yama> fair enough. There's so much to do!
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know, i know
[03:03] <Fujitsu> I'd also do some, but I'm sorta tied up with MOTU stuff.
[03:04] <elkbuntu> jenda, i'm -almost- inclined to suggest you have him clean up one of the mocks and have two designs...
[03:04] <jenda> wuzzat?
[03:04] <jenda> aha, the first mockup, right?
[03:04] <jenda> yes, I liked it too.
[03:04] <elkbuntu> yeah
[03:05] <elkbuntu> because although that end product is really nice, there's some places the simplistic mock version would do better
[03:09] <jenda> Most probably. I'll try squeezing him for the materials, so they can be available for DL and further work.
[03:11] <Plug> Hi.
[03:11] <Plug> I'm Plug, but it's late, and you'd be best to come back to me in 12 hours.
[03:11] <elkbuntu> hehe
[03:11] <elkbuntu> g'nite plug
[03:13] <jenda> nighty night
[03:21] <MenZa> nighty :o
[03:21] <MenZa> Damn you, Flock
[03:21] <MenZa> Upload my damn pictures
[03:23] <MenZa> Speaking of which, jenda--did you happen to try Flock yet :)?
[03:28] <elkbuntu> oh crap. spammers have started using my domain in spam 'to' fields :(
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> aw :(
[03:30] <MenZa> awww D:
[03:30] <jenda> MenZa: nope, wasn't at home
[03:31] <poningru> arr?
[03:31] <MenZa> jenda: :D
[03:31] <jenda> Sounds like great feedback there, MenZa ;)
[03:34] <MenZa> :D
[04:47] <ompaul> jenda, typo  "available at one click"
[04:48] <jenda> I know - those things will be yet taken care of :) Final version coming.
[04:50] <ompaul> jenda, but it would be better to day, "available from offical downloads in just a couple of clicks, it takes care of the rest." - think it out - find and then open the application you get into a symantic arguement about if it is an accurate decription of a download - and one more line -- installed on millions of computers all around the world
[04:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ompaul :)
[04:51] <jenda> Well, I'm not the one who is actually doing that, but I can reword that message a bit and paste it on the forum.
[04:52] <jenda> ompaul: or you can, yourself, if you wish: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=248546
[04:55] <ompaul> I'm not on the forums - I get over 400 mails a day and I try to read them all :-/
[04:56] <ompaul> or at least get a feel for threads
[05:00] <jenda> I know the feeling.
[08:33] <MenZa> jenda: question.
[08:33] <MenZa> What does "Neopirt" mean?
[08:58] <BHSPitLappy> new pirate?
[09:08] <MenZa> That's what I'm guessing


[05:40] <Zanthus> if I'm installing software manually, and not via the package manager, what directory is it best practice to install said software into?
[05:52] <gorilla> Zanthus: Ubuntu doesn't support third party software and particularly stuff that hasn't be packaged. Best to ask the people that support that software.
[05:52] <Zanthus> thanks  :)
[06:26]  * OutOfControl 's client isn't showing parts :(
[06:28] <gorilla> join and part messages are a necessary evil of irc.
[06:29] <OutOfControl> :P
[06:29] <OutOfControl> It shows there are two sagaci
[06:31] <gorilla> was anyway
[09:18] <Fudge> gorilla  i ignore all quit join part mode nick
[09:18] <Fudge> it makes irc so fun
[09:46] <OutOfControl> ;p
[09:46] <gorilla> Fudge: except that you don't know when someone has left. :-)
[09:51] <Fudge> tabcomp loL
[09:52] <Fudge> my  pref for it gorilla  is because i use tts and dont want to hear the messages
[09:54] <Fudge> though using irssi is so much better than my mirc script i wrote
[09:54] <Fudge> as i only hear text from the channel i am on
[09:55] <Fudge> even though mirc works with wine,  orca does not work with wine
[10:04] <gorilla> Fudge: fair enough.
[10:04] <Fudge> gorilla  i do tend to go on sometiems lol
[10:05] <gorilla> it's okay.
[10:05] <gorilla> Text can always be ignored. I'm in the middle of getting a late dinner.
[10:07] <Fudge> :D


[00:03] <Sarvatt> so it was just one little change and git wasnt updated, phew
[00:03] <Sarvatt> thats test building now so i can look at the package contents
[00:09] <Sarvatt> hurry up mesa!
[00:10] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Have you re-pulled mesa and found my merge?
[00:11] <Sarvatt> yep and fixed it, its just almost done building, i want to make absolutely sure every file is correct :)
[00:11] <RAOF> It all _looked_ right to me :/
[00:11] <Sarvatt> RAOF: wasn't your fault, i thought it was more screwed up than it was because you forgot to push :)
[00:12] <RAOF> Right.
[00:12] <RAOF> It would have looked like a half-baked 7.8.1-2
[00:12] <Sarvatt> was my fault for putting the header in the wrong place when i redid the dri build locations, that hadn't been uploaded to debian yet so its all ok
[00:13] <Sarvatt> we should probably explicitly disable some gallium stuff wasting time getting built, like svga
[00:14] <RAOF> That's the only thing wasting time, isn't it?  It doesn't take long, and it'd be annoying to maintain another GALLIUM_DISABLED variable :)
[00:14] <Sarvatt> yeah true :)
[00:14] <Sarvatt> swrastg
[00:15] <RAOF> Isn't built?
[00:15] <RAOF> At least, there 'aint no swrastg_dri.so generated.
[00:15] <Sarvatt> oh
[00:15] <Sarvatt> no point enabling radeon and intel if we arent shipping it?
[00:16] <RAOF> We are shipping it - in egl.
[00:16] <RAOF> That's also why we're enabling gallium swrast.  It doesn't generate a DRI driver, but it does generate an EGL swrast.
[00:17] <Sarvatt> ah ok, i was thinking it'd need the dri driver too to be usable for some reason
[00:17] <Sarvatt> its running make install now, 2 minutes tops
[00:24] <bjsnider> about how long is it supposed to take do install 25 or so updates after they've been downloaded?
[00:25] <Sarvatt> debian/libgl1-mesa-glx.prerm  is bogus
[00:25] <Sarvatt>   update-alternatives --remove gl_conf /usr/lib/GL/ld.so.conf
[00:27] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/files-six.txt
[00:27] <Sarvatt> file list
[00:31] <Sarvatt> ok pushed to origin/ubuntu
[00:38] <RAOF> You know, cairo has an openvg backend.  That might be interesting to play with on a lazy weekend.
[00:39] <Sarvatt> yeah I fixed that silly problem with the one header rule in that build, debdiff coming up
[00:41] <RAOF> One header rule?
[00:42] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/merges/mesa/ -- needs sponsor! :)
[00:42] <Sarvatt> yeah silly mistake
[00:42] <Sarvatt> drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2010-06-15 16:18 ./usr/include/Gl/
[00:42] <Sarvatt> -rw-r--r-- root/root      3463 2010-06-15 16:18 ./usr/include/Gl/glx_mangle.h
[00:42] <Sarvatt> Gl :)
[00:47] <Sarvatt> geser: can you sponsor by any chance?
[00:50] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/files-seven.txt is the file list for this one
[01:04] <Sarvatt> need to figure out how to transition -gallium to -experimental
[01:04] <Sarvatt> ppa-purge with -gallium installed leaves it installed and will conflict with -experimental
[01:09] <Sarvatt> RAOF: I thought you fixed up nvidia-current and got it uploaded?
[01:43] <RAOF> Sarvatt: I did.
[01:43] <Sarvatt> oh, weird
[01:46] <Sarvatt> this is a lot nastier than I expected, there was a *huge* debian sync just now and some of the packages that check for GL might have just disabled supported and built anyway :(
[01:48] <RAOF> :(
[01:49] <RAOF> That should be fairly easy to check for, though.
[01:50] <RAOF> Thanks for cleaning this up!
[02:07] <Sarvatt> quite a few packages all failed with this -
[02:07] <Sarvatt> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:70 (MESSAGE):
[02:07] <Sarvatt>   Could NOT find FLTK (missing: FLTK_INCLUDE_DIR)
[02:08] <Sarvatt> i dont have much more time until i pass out, stopping going through every build to see if its got undefined behavior from no GL and just started checking ftbs
[02:16] <Sarvatt> so much for fixing up cairo today :(
[02:17] <Sarvatt> \o/ almost done
[02:30] <Sarvatt> chrome/chromium do not like cairo 1.9.8 :(
[02:56] <RAOF> Man, everyone and their dog have a personal cairo branch!
[03:05] <bjsnider> will the blob build on the .34 kernel yet?
[03:11] <RAOF> You mean nvidia-current?  Yes.  It's even installable!
[03:12] <Sarvatt> it works fine on .35 too..
[03:13] <Sarvatt> 195.24 even
[03:13] <Sarvatt> RAOF: see any freetype lcdfilter patches in any of them?
[03:14] <RAOF> Nope, but I was only after master anyway.
[03:15] <Sarvatt> debian experimental works with no changes if you dont pull from git :)
[03:16] <Sarvatt> but i had glew problems enabling gl, should be fixed in git
[03:17] <RAOF> Yup, it is.
[03:18] <Sarvatt> got the lcdfilter patch refresh
[03:18] <Sarvatt> ed
[03:19] <Sarvatt> kinda, need to clean up some fuzz
[03:19] <Sarvatt> editing patches by hand sucks :)
[03:34] <Sarvatt> hmm the ubuntu patch in 1.8.10  is actually drastically different than what I was working with
[03:36] <Sarvatt> yeah scratch the one i was working on, i'll go with the firefox patch :)
[03:39] <RAOF> :)
[03:49] <Sarvatt> cairo-perf has some limitations on where it works i didnt know about
[04:11] <RAOF> Such as?
[10:30] <seb128> does anybody knows about "unclutter" there or has an opinion on it?
[10:30] <seb128> Description: hides the cursor in X after a period of inactivity
[10:30] <seb128> isn't that something xorg should be doing by itself ideally?
[10:30] <jcristau> no
[10:30] <seb128> context is bug #16492
[10:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 16492 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Mouse pointer should disappear when keyboard is in use and mouse isn't (affects: 19) (heat: 113)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16492
[10:30] <seb128> sabdfl asked to review using unclutter in the default installation
[10:31] <seb128> jcristau, why not?
[10:32] <jcristau> comment 3 on that bug
[10:34] <seb128> ok, fair enough
[10:34] <seb128> so back to the first question, does anybody has an opinion on "unclutter"?
[10:35]  * jcristau doesn't
[10:42] <tseliot> I'm starting to think
[10:42] <tseliot> that it's not such a bad idea
[10:42] <tseliot> to use unclutter, that is
[10:44] <tseliot> seb128: do you need a code review or what?
[10:44] <seb128> tseliot, code review, comments from somebody who has an opinion about what it's doing
[10:44] <seb128> RAOF, hey
[10:44] <RAOF> seb128: Ho
[10:45]  * RAOF missed the start of this discussion
[10:46] <seb128> bug #16492
[10:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 16492 in gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 3 other projects) "Mouse pointer should disappear when keyboard is in use and mouse isn't (affects: 19) (heat: 113)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16492
[10:46] <seb128> sabdfl asked us to evaluate using "unclutter" in the default installation
[10:46] <tseliot> RAOF: BTW I uploaded X in lucid-proposed yesterday and cjwatson has just approved it (LP: #563100)
[10:46] <seb128> I'm trying to gather opinions on it
[11:00] <RAOF> tseliot: Ah, thanks.  I'll merge your changes into the ubuntu-lucid branch in git.
[11:01] <tseliot> RAOF: sounds good. Thanks
[11:38] <tseliot> RAOF: we're going to use xserver 1.8 (not 1.9) in Maverick, right?
[11:39] <tseliot> seb128: after a quick look at unclutter, the code seems fine even though I'm not used to that coding style
[11:41] <RAOF> tseliot: We're planning on 1.9 for Maverick
[11:41] <tseliot> RAOF: ah, good
[11:42] <RAOF> And mesa 7.9, but that's probably less interesting on the binary driver front :)
[11:43] <tseliot> yes, that is why I was asking
[11:43] <RAOF> I sent a mail to the Ubuntu & Debian X lists with an outline of what we'd planned.  It's also on the “General X plans” blueprint.
[11:44] <tseliot> I'll have a look at it then, thanks
[11:46] <tseliot> note: I'm doing more work on open drivers for oem work than on proprietary drivers and it's good to know that we'll have mesa 7.9 :-)
[11:50] <RAOF> Yay!  Source code!  Decypherable backtraces!
[11:50] <RAOF> :)
[11:52]  * tseliot nods
[12:23] <seb128> tseliot, ok, thanks for the review
[12:23] <tseliot> np
[13:48] <RAOF> Of course, now that I've got gdb attached X refuses to segfault.
[14:05] <tseliot> it makes sense ;)
[15:24] <helo> upgrading to xorg 1.7.6-2ubuntu7.1 last night is giving me persistent "out of range" errors on my monitor, regardless of whether i use nvidia, nv, or vesa driver
[15:25] <bjsnider> RAOF, that exact thing happened while i was trying to backtrace gnome-shell. it still crashes when i don't have gdb running.
[21:53] <Sarvatt> argh
[21:53] <Sarvatt> dpkg-source: info: using source format `3.0 (quilt)'
[21:53] <Sarvatt> dpkg-source: warning: patches have not been applied, applying them now (use --no-preparation to override)
[21:54] <Sarvatt> hope that doesn't screw up the orig.tar.gz
[21:54] <Sarvatt> that was when doing debuild -S -sa
[22:18] <cnd> bryceh: do you know if I build X from git will it run on maverick?
[22:19] <cnd> I'm interested in knowing if X will work at all, or if it would need patches from our package
[22:37] <Sarvatt> wonder if i should update cairo on lucid edgers too
[22:38] <Sarvatt> RAOF: I refreshed the lcdfilter patch btw - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/0001-Refresh-lcdfilter-patch-so-it-applies-to-1.9.8.patch
[23:00] <bryceh> cnd, should run fine
[23:01] <bryceh> cnd, Sarvatt actually has the best handle on peculiarities of the upstream git trees
[23:01] <jg> Sarvatt, RAOF: could I ask one of you to spin me something to try for https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28070 (launchpad bug 585651)? The patch has converged to a very small one, and I have a new disk I can try installing onto....
[23:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585651 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Cannot install on eDP laptops such as HP Elitebook 2540p or 8440p (affects: 4) (heat: 149)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585651
[23:01] <bryceh> cnd, but RAOF and him have landed in maverick pretty much all the pre-reqs needed for the building the latest bits
[23:02] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 28070 in Driver/intel "[Arrandale] No output (black) on eDP" [Major,New]
[23:04] <Sarvatt> jg: no I can't because I need a kernel deb to make you a new livecd, I'm sorry :(
[23:04] <Sarvatt> cnd: xserver 1.9 will be in edgers in a day or two, if you want to use it now you can add xorg-edgers and then also add my xorg-testing PPA
[23:05] <Sarvatt> cnd: add both xorg-edgers and https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/xorg-testing
[23:06] <Sarvatt> cnd: plymouth/gdm hate it when the server doesn't support -nr, just a heads up :)
[23:06] <jg> Sarvatt: If I can generate a kernel deb for you??  I can borrow my daughter's machine, and build it there....
[23:07] <jg> Sarvatt: or can I put things on flash, and add the kernel deb myself?
[23:07] <Sarvatt> yeah then I can, making the debs right for ubuntu is pretty tricky though, make deb or make-kpkg wont work with a livecd as it is, you need to adapt the ubuntu kernel build system
[23:08] <Sarvatt> yeah if you have persistant storage you can just update it there
[23:09] <jg> Sarvatt: luckily I just bought myself a 4 gig usb key...
[23:09] <Sarvatt> if drm-intel-next worked i could just use that deb but the people on the bug report say it doesnt
[23:09] <jg> yeah, I know.  I'm screwed...
[23:09] <jg> the bug is still being chased by the intel developer.
[23:09] <Sarvatt> drm-intel-next kernels are available here - http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-next/
[23:10] <jg> the next time I see keithp I'm going to rib him about this...
[23:12] <jg> Sarvatt: I'll try the build my own and update a usb key method tomorrow, and see what happens.
[23:14] <jg> Sarvatt: hmmm... I may have put 32bit Lucid on my kids machine; I need to run 64 bit on my new toy.  Will that get me into trouble building the kernel?
[23:14] <Sarvatt> yeah, lots :(
[23:15] <jg> ugh...
[23:16] <jg> And this machine is running 32 bit, so upgrading it won't have the effect I want....
[23:16] <Sarvatt> can just use a 32 bit livecd for the testing
[23:17] <jg> true, but that doesn't get me a machine to carry with me to California next week, sparing me lugging two machines on the plane...
[23:18] <Sarvatt> if you can convince someone to pull it into drm-intel-next by then that'll work :)
[23:18] <Sarvatt> i can make ya a livecd with that kernel you can install from
[23:19] <Sarvatt> jg: which patch do you want to try specifically?
[23:19] <jg> heh... I can nudge the Intel guy to see if he's figured out why drm-intel-next doesn't work, despite Ajax's similar patch being upstream.
[23:21] <Sarvatt> need to see if it applies to the most recent lucid kernel
[23:21] <jg> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28070#c21 seems to be what the doctor ordered, until ykzhao figures out what's wrong with drm-next.
[23:21] <ubot4> Freedesktop bug 28070 in Driver/intel "[Arrandale] No output (black) on eDP" [Major,New]
[23:22] <Sarvatt> yeah but there are a bunch of patches in that bug
[23:22] <Sarvatt> someone was saying either one worked, not sure which you want to try or if you want to try both
[23:25] <jg> Sarvatt: this started as two patches; one of them sets the refresh speed to max, hardly desirable.  The other is the fix in c21.  The new mystery is why drm-next was having trouble.  I nudged ykzhao in case he's made progress (I think he's in China), and I can't set up to do anything before the morning, anyway.
[23:25] <Sarvatt> apw: is there any chance you might be willing to build a lucid kernel with http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=35782 applied for possibly including in lucid regarding bug #585651 ?
[23:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 585651 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Cannot install on eDP laptops such as HP Elitebook 2540p or 8440p (affects: 4) (heat: 149)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/585651


[03:55] <dr4c4n> how can I obtain a cloak? As well how do I ask a question in the irc channel, I believe I do not have voice
[03:56] <rww> dr4c4n: are you an Ubuntu Member? If so, you can ask for an ubuntu/member/* cloak here. If not, try asking in #freenode for an unaffiliated/* one.
[03:58] <dr4c4n> rww: I have a launchpad account, and I was wondering if I need to be "cloaked" to have voice in the other ubuntu irc channels to be heard
[03:58] <dr4c4n> rww: my irc nick is registered.
[03:59] <rww> dr4c4n: Most Ubuntu channels are set so that anyone can speak in them. Is there a specific channel you were wondering about?
[03:59] <dr4c4n> rww: well my question was specific to xubuntu, after the upgrade to lucid, could you direct me where I should ask my question?
[04:00] <rww> dr4c4n: #xubuntu
[04:00] <dr4c4n> rww: thanks
[04:01] <dr4c4n> rww: I posted there, however, there was no response, and I have tried to follow the directions in the bug report on how to fix hal, but I cannot find it in the proposed packages?
[04:02] <rww> dr4c4n: You asked in #ubuntu too, right? I'll take a look at the scrollback and see if I can figure it out for you (and reply in there).
[04:02] <dr4c4n> rww: thank you very much
[08:38] <summers> i would like to announce a new ubuntu channel, #ubuntu-faggots, all are welcome to join
[08:38] <rww> !ops | summers
[08:39] <rww> who has been /inviting people there too, I note.
[08:39] <vish> argh!  he is also in -artwork :/
[08:39] <summers> yes hello
[08:40] <vish> hmm , so he aint a bot! even worse!
[08:40] <summers> rude
[08:40] <summers> thats sexist
[08:40] <summers> you are violating the code of conduct
[08:41] <vish> summers: pls stop spamming channels with derogatory words/channels
[08:41] <rww> oh, I thought you looked familiar
[08:41] <rww> hello again wiggles
[08:41] <summers> rww: pynchon
[08:41] <summers> get it right
[08:41] <vish> wasnt pynchon also wiggles! ;)
[08:42] <summers> rww: please come to my new channel
[08:42] <summers> rww: can u help us set up a wiki
[08:45] <vish> \o/
[08:56] <vish> elky: he is still there in #u+1
[08:57] <vish> ty
[11:46] <k1l> mahlzeit
[11:47] <jpds> k1l: Hello.
[17:06] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-bots-team, jussi said: !no, member is <reply>Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[17:06] <jussi> oh meh
[19:14] <manjo> I would like to request IRC cloak for freenode.net my profile on launchpad is https://launchpad.net/~manjo
[19:15] <manjo> I am a member of ubuntu
[19:16] <nhandler> jussi, tsimpson, topyli, Pici: ^^^
[19:16] <Pici> manjo: Sure, one moment./
[19:17] <manjo> Pici, thank you
[19:17] <Pici> nhandler: Would you do the honors?
[19:17] <nhandler> Sure, one minute
[19:18] <nhandler> You are all set manjo
[19:19] <manjo> nhandler, cool! thanks a ton
[19:19] <nhandler> You are welcome manjo, have a nice day.
[19:19] <manjo> you too
[19:19] <Pici> manjo: Congrats on membership :)
[19:19] <manjo> Pici, thanks :)