[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> @Mertcan herolte [i cant install anbox to herolte :(], I have the same problem on the same device xD
[00:04] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> xD
[00:05] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i cant rotate my phone
 @DD1 [But not 120 EUR], That's for them to decide, not you. You can then decide not to support them if you don't like their price - no  big deal either way. But there are still those of us that find vakue in what they do,and are fine with their asking price.
[00:06] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> @Mertcan herolte [i cant rotate my phone], My rotate works but i dont know why... xD
[00:08] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> can u rotate your screen?
[00:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> Yes
[00:09] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> Its a bit buggy but yes
[00:10] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> *how*
[00:10] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> teach me
[00:13] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> I dont know how it works... It should not work but it does
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> excuse me wtf
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i need it
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i connected my keyboard and mouse
[00:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i want use it like desktop
 @DD1 [But not 120 EUR], [Edit] That's for them to decide, not you. You can then decide not to support them if you don't like their price - no  big deal either way. But there are still those of us that find value in what they do, and are fine with their asking price.
 @Mertcan herolte [i tried install gnome to ubuntu touch], I would suggest looking at Phosh/Pure for getting closer to that - but the only device supporting that I know of is Librem 5, which I would not recommend.
[00:25] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> how can i foun phosh pure
 @Mertcan herolte [how can i foun phosh pure], Probably best if you try it via postmarket OS - but don't blame me if you brick your device - https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Phosh
[00:42] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> is there any update for postmarket os herolte?
[01:04] <ubptgbot> <Alexey Kor> ideas?
 @Mertcan herolte [is there any update for postmarket os herolte?], This is a support group for Ubuntu Touch - off topic questions should be taken to https://t.me/UBportsOF
[01:07] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> ik
 (Photo, 1280x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/aOPYBHZX.png Well, it's not a professional thing, but I hope you like it.
 I like it
[01:20] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> what is this
 The Lomiri Logo.  I reproduced it and made these 3 versions.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [I like it], Thanks.
 I wasn't even aware Lomiri had a logo. But these look good. What did you change?
 @klaartje_b [I wasn't even aware Lomiri had a logo. But these look good. What did you change?], In this last track I added the orange gradient to the logo.  I will send the HD versions of it here.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/8NtYlAoo.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/q08kNGnD.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9rc1MxC0.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/nREBAGo4.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/i2OopYGy.png
 I admit, I would like UBPorts and the UU community to be working together, they would be a perfect pair.
[02:53] <ubptgbot> baxhunter88 was added by: baxhunter88
 @DD1 [I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how m …], you do know that the os cannot be flashed on just any android right? there are litterally thousands of android phones out there, while the os can only be flashed on about 60 devices. … furthermore volla is one of the what 3 companies that are shipp
[03:04] <ubptgbot> ing phones with the os preinstalled, while there are a few hundeds of companies shipped android all competing with each other … finally the devices including the volla sells a few hundred devices, android sells in the millions  … this is what it mean when they say it's and economy of "scale"
 @DD1 [I mean seriously you guys shill about stock being sold out without knowing how m …], [Edit] you do know that the os cannot be flashed on just any android right? there are litterally thousands of android phones out there, while the os can only be flashed on about 60 devices. … furthermore volla is one of the what 3 companies that ar
[03:06] <ubptgbot> e shipping phones with the os preinstalled, while there are a few hundeds of companies shipped android all competing with each other … finally the devices including the volla sells a few hundred devices, android sells in the millions  … this is what it mean when they say it's and economy of "scale" …  finally finally ubports is not a company, its a
[03:06] <ubptgbot>  nonprofit foundation
 @TheBakerCat [already, using old notebook with mint … i executed cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authoriz …], you're suppose to cat the key to that file on the phone not on the laptop, you have to properly note what you run where. … if you have an mint laptop you can generate a key on the laptop scp it to your phone and then cat it to the authori
[03:08] <ubptgbot> zed_keys file
 @DD1 [But 120 EUR? lol], microsoft windows licences sell for $120 and that's a single version that is made by a billion dollar company €120 for the os for a small scale os like ubuntu touch made by a small foundation that doesn't have a large budget is rather cheap in comparison
 @Fuseteam [microsoft windows licences sell for $120 and that's a single version that is mad …], Microsoft Windows Licenses (legitimately not a few eur keys) can be bought much cheaper and its just a wholly different product that comes shipped with devices for free
 If the Specs of the device would be very good then sure its a great thing but Gigaset "Smartphones" were never really any good
 No real good build quality or anything.
 who says its comes free with your device, if you buy a laptop without an os it's at least $120 cheaper :p
 @Fuseteam [who says its comes free with your device, if you buy a laptop without an os it's …], Mostly you cant buy a laptop without a os
 like cant opt out for a discount
 And Also the discount depends
 Can be 60-80 eur as well
 @DD1 [Mostly you cant buy a laptop without a os], oh yes you can, you just have to know where to look
 @Fuseteam [oh yes you can, you just have to know where to look], SO
 can you opt out of windows in a store?
 anyway people are investing into the development of the os because they expect it to improve and meet their needs.
 @DD1 [can you opt out of windows in a store?], depends on a store, but some at least do have sorting by "No OS"
 I would much rather support it with crowdfunding instead of slapping 120 EUR on a mediocre device
 @DD1 [can you opt out of windows in a store?], like i said you just have to know where to look, i've seen a few options on amazon
 @DD1 [I would much rather support it with crowdfunding instead of slapping 120 EUR on …], well there is a patreon and a liberapay and a host of other options
 @ptrcnull [depends on a store, but some at least do have sorting by "No OS"], Thats mostly devices that are already available in a store and without a OS or just Linux which is extremely rare, also if you uncheck windows when configuring a device it can end up being more expensive than buying it with windows in a store because Manufacturers m
[03:21] <ubptgbot> ostly sell devices for more than stores
 @Fuseteam [well there is a patreon and a liberapay and a host of other options], Well they opted for the 120 EUR on a device option lol
 @Fuseteam [like i said you just have to know where to look, i've seen a few options on amaz …], How is this even a conversation? How does this even matter?
 @DD1 [Well they opted for the 120 EUR on a device option lol], no, the ubports foundation has those options as well, the vollaphone is just one option out of many
 Do you want to tell the average joe know where to look? Let alone that mostly these things cost more than with windows anyway due to manuacturer pricing?
 @DD1 [Do you want to tell the average joe know where to look? Let alone that mostly th …], the average joe will not buy a computer without an os sooooo
 So DD1 what would you like to change from this discussion today?
 the point is 120 euros for an os developed by volunteers is reasonable in comparison
 @Fuseteam [the average joe will not buy a computer without an os sooooo], Yes so how is it relevant? And as I said mostly the option to opt out is only given by buying at the manufacturer website?
 so opting out of windows doesnt make a point here, you dont save money on manufacturer sites 99% of the time
 @Fuseteam [the point is 120 euros for an os developed by volunteers is reasonable in compar …], Not if its paired witha  mediocre device and it sounds more like a beta rollout
 @DD1 [Not if its paired witha  mediocre device and it sounds more like a beta rollout], it kinda is and kinda is not, volla is making quite a lot of progress and opening a lot of options for bringing the os to more android 9 devices. most new android 9 devices on the list are a direct result of the work done on the vollaphone
 Gigaset is still stuck with Android 9? x)
 (on their android devices that is obv)
 @DD1 [Not if its paired witha  mediocre device and it sounds more like a beta rollout], Except its an excellent device when paired with UT that some (myself) are using happily as a daily driver.
 @TotalSonic [Except its an excellent device when paired with UT that some (myself) are using …], Took you quite long to write this lol
 DD1 again, what would you like to change after this discussion today?
 @DD1 [Gigaset is still stuck with Android 9? x)], it shipped with android 9 that's all that matters when porting a device. even if the device gets upgrade to android 12, the fact that it shipped with android 9 makes porting it with halium 9 possible
 @Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment
 So let me ask you this would you pay 40% more for having a PC with Windows or any OS you like?
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment], sure
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment], They went on it, not my problem if theyre happy to reply
 @DD1 [Took you quite long to write this lol], No - I was writing messages that I decided not to send, in service of being more polite.
 [Edit] So let me ask you this would you pay 50% more for having a PC with Windows or any OS you like?
 @UniversalSuperBox [@Fuseteam @TotalSonic please stop for a moment], Okey dokes. I think we have a clear example of borderline "concern trolling" here though.
 How is it trolling?
 Would you pay 50% more for a OS on a Device?
 A Pc for instance?
 Please answer my question. What do you want us to change?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Please answer my question. What do you want us to change?], Maybe the pricing first of all?
 How is a 50% increase of the price justified at all?
 Imagine PCs having a 50% increase simply for adding windows
 The UBports Foundation doesn't sell the Volla Phone. You can ask Volla to change their pricing if you want.
 Like you wouldnt have a play in that lol
 You can call it trolling all you want but a price increase of a mediocre device by 50% just for installing it is just ridicilous
 If it would at least be a good phone all around but no....
 So... you're just here to shit on it?
 [Edit] If it would at least be a good phone all around but no....even then it would be quite ridicilous but at least it would offer more
 @UniversalSuperBox [So... you're just here to shit on it?], Im shitting on the pricing not on the OS
 Like, it's fine. You can have your opinion on pricing, and you've stated it now.
 Stop getting so in defending mode
 Like im not shilling
 If the pricing is fine its fine, but 50% is ridicilous
 50 EUR above? well its a bit but yeah fine
 But 120 EUR
 Why wouldnt you try to work with Xiaomi for instance? They would at least do devices at a good price with good quality all in all. Their MIUI OS isnt the best however. But if its replaced with UT it doesnt matter.
 Bro how to unlock boot loader no waiting
 Thank you for your feedback.
 @программист [Bro how to unlock boot loader no waiting], You will have to unlock the bootloader of your device the way the manufacturer allows you to do it. If that requires waiting several days for approval, unfortunately that is the only option.
 Bro its my father's phone
 Can use ubl tool?
 Maybe there is an exploit for your specific device that doesn't require waiting... but I don't know what those are, and you'd have to find them by searching XDA-developers or 4pda.
 I don't know why you still bother to talk to him. … We've said many things and he still have the same argument 😂
 @DD1 [Why wouldnt you try to work with Xiaomi for instance? They would at least do dev …], Xiaomi sell his phobes at that price because they sell millions of phones, besides, they put ads on the OS and uses your data to "improve the user experience" whatever that means. Volla price is right for what you get, they need to obtain resources fr
[04:05] <ubptgbot> om somewhere, Volla is a company at the end of the day and UBports Foundation is not putting the price of the Volla phone, is just developing the os and they are making a great work! Finally, you are free to choise whatever phone and os you are commfortable with. You can have UBports in many others devices from diferents manufacturers and of course
[04:05] <ubptgbot> , you are free to buy a Xiaomi Phone and live with MIUI software full of closed code from the different companies Xiaomi is working with and ads...
 @Fuseteam [you're suppose to cat the key to that file on the phone not on the laptop, you h …], i created keys on laptop -> transferred public key from laptop to phablet -> cat id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/ authorized_keys … i already did it and it doesn't work
 I just copy my public key to my saved message in telegram and copy paste it on my UT device 😄
 use Seabass for pastiing
[04:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> btw... the hotspot from herolte working
[04:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/XLshEgnV.png
[04:08] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> (Photo, 1440x2560) https://irc.ubports.com/kEBPIS4n.png
[04:09] <ubptgbot> <Ŧ~Ƥ_452915_ ΔŽΔŽ€Ł> (Photo, 454x186) https://irc.ubports.com/ZmvWVHeF.png
 @TheBakerCat [i created keys on laptop -> transferred public key from laptop to phablet -> cat …], can you show me the output of `ls -l .ssh`?
 @Fuseteam [can you show me the output of ls -l .ssh?], phablet@ubuntuphablet:~$ ls -l .ssh … total 16 … -rw-rw-r-- 1 phablet phablet  396 мар 21 01:51 authorized_keys … -rw------- 1 phablet phablet 1675 мар 21 01:47 id_rsa … -rw-r--r-- 1 phablet phablet  404 мар 21 01:47 id_rsa.pub … -rw-r--r-- 1 phablet phablet  222 мар 21 01:34 know
[04:15] <ubptgbot> n_hosts
 hmm something feels off but at the same time i feel i feel it shouldn't matter
 you still have the id_rsa on your pc right?
 Yes
 sailfish os also contains closed source UI as well
 @TheBakerCat [Yes], can you try ssh -i /path/to/key phablet@<
 @TheBakerCat [Yes], [Edit] can you try ssh -i /path/to/key phablet@<phoneip>
 @Fuseteam [can you try ssh -i /path/to/key phablet@<phoneip>], it works, thanks!
 there we go lol
 you can make a `.ssh/config` file where you can set that all up for ease of use
 the syntax would be  … ```Host nickname …     HostName phone-ip …     User phablet …     IdentityFile /path/to/key```
 @TheBakerCat [after I run pycharm(just for fun) in a libertine container with a bluetooth mous …], My dmesg after starting pycharm with connected bt mouse … http://Del.dog/cocyveapuf.txt
 Im still having issues with Teleports, even after delete data and reinstalling the app, it opens the conversation screen, i can even open one chat, but i cant send messages, and if I go back to the conversations screen and open another chat, the app just freezes, only i can see the title and a blank screen. I dont know what else I can do.
 @LGeek [Im still having issues with Teleports, even after delete data and reinstalling t …], not sure why it is doing that either can you access the logs?
 @Fuseteam [not sure why it is doing that either can you access the logs?], How I can access the logs?
 @LGeek [How I can access the logs?], it should be viewable via the logviewer app
 @DD1 [Like seriously, who the hell buys these? i am not trying to shittalk UB, I was i …], I did, for similar reasons to Mr Berson (and also my second hand devices before had failing USB ports over time so a brand new device with wireless charging AND a high mAH rating was very appealing to me).
 (we got a non-EFTA state discount over that 360 EUR though :) )
 @Danfro [Selfi cam is a weak spot on Xperia. I can't seem to get a sharp image from it. I …], Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identified dark conditions as a weakness for the Volla's camera, among several other devices with and without UT).
 This is what my new beard looks like in late night, artificially lit conditions:
 (Photo, 725x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/uXTr4jca.png
 @TotalSonic [hmmm, I am currently limited to 4megapixels for the selfie camera, where as I ca …], What, you measured the output as 4MP?
 @TartanSpartan [<reply to media>], me after pandemic is over 😂
 @DD1 [If the Specs of the device would be very good then sure its a great thing but Gi …], And you can judge that because you've held one in your hands? No?
 @DD1 [can you opt out of windows in a store?], Chillblast let me customise my laptop to the fullest extent possible and one of those possibilities was no OS installed yes.
 @Anon211 [me after pandemic is over 😂], Hehehe this thing is since mid December. I hope the Volla gives it full justice.
 @Anon211 [me after pandemic is over 😂], [Edit] Hehehe this thing is since mid December. I hope the Volla's selfie cam gives it full justice.
 @Fuseteam [it should be viewable via the logviewer app], http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vhZJ95TzMK/
 Those are the teleports logs from logviewer app
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/aBkGB53S.png
 @TartanSpartan [What, you measured the output as 4MP?], That is what the Camera app shows as the maximum.
 @TartanSpartan [What, you measured the output as 4MP?], [Edit] 4.3mp is what the Camera app shows as the maximum.
 @TartanSpartan [What, you measured the output as 4MP?], [Edit] 4mp is what the Camera app shows as the maximum.
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/taULcO0N.png
 Versus 15.9 for rear camera
 [Edit] Versus 15.9mp,for rear camera
 [Edit] Versus 15.9mp for rear camera
 @TartanSpartan [Hehehe this thing is since mid December. I hope the Volla's selfie cam gives it …], It does!
 @TartanSpartan [Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identifie …], I think thw focus is set to direct face image distance. When I tried to like get two people on it (arm full stretched distance), it is blurry. It obviously dependa on the usage.
 @TartanSpartan [Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identifie …], [Edit] I think the focus is set to direct face image distance. When I tried to like get two people on it (arm full stretched distance), it is blurry. It obviously dependa on the usage.
 I guess if your beard is growing longer, you may need to increase the distance too. 😝
 And I may add, if the selfi cam missing a focus us the only drawback, well I would say I can easily live with that. Otherwise I am happy with the Xperia as a daily.
 hi everybody, is it there any roadmap for the ubports state on the pinephone? I am looking forward to have it as main phone with UT!
 you'll probably get more information in the ubports pine group
[11:34] <ubptgbot> <: )> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/ckry0vTt.webp
 as the moment, most work are done on the kernelupgrade channel … and so far it's looking good
 thank you!
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <Reutzceeh Permanen> read pin
 @DD1 [Say just below 300 so thats like what? 60 eur right?], you can try and unlock and port a gigaset yourself ;) not sure how that would go.
 (Voice, 2s) https://irc.ubports.com/kuh1FJNE.oga
[13:04] <ubptgbot> G_99_K was added by: G_99_K
 @alera_on [<reply to media>], i believe that was to be the 'ubuntu touch' edition type of logo, lomiri has a seperate logo
 @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there any roadmap for the ubports state on the pinephone? I …], one day at a time are the roads we are driving, no map to guide the way ;) (but yes work is being accomplished)
 @TotalSonic [<reply to media>], i like using 13:6 :) fills the screen
 @TartanSpartan [(we got a non-EFTA state discount over that 360 EUR though :) )], oh yeah, no euro tax. we should add that a big chunk of that extra was included tax for the european one
 i would have gladly paid another 100 though, pre installed and bootloader locked (freely unlockable yes, no  … freedoms lost) is worth it :)
 Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can run the desktop app for live synchronisation with my Nextcloud-instance, how big is the change that I'll break OTA updates?
 [Edit] Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can run the desktop app for live synchronisation with my Nextcloud-instance, how big is the chance that I'll break OTA updates?
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], well if it is a graphical app it basiclly wont work right now, minus some qt stuff(small exceptions
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], but if a termainal app, it might work.
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], the update is image based with a delta on changed files from last image
 change the base image, and small chance there is a file conflict and it wont boot or something breaks in wierd ways
 if the app you install doesnt really touch the base system, it 'should' be ok
 ive mostly used for small terminal apps
 if you want to try a graphical app, the best course is using a libertine container
 Libertine hasn't worked for me as of yet.
 it's really easy to reflash and OTA comes every other month or so, so I don't think it's really a big risk. Just make sure when you update, you have an available PC 😄
 but yeah, the app you want may or may not work
 also, there's Ubsync for syncing to Nextcloud … not yet available for arm64 though
 @Javacookies [also, there's Ubsync for syncing to Nextcloud … not yet available for arm64 though], Ah, good to know. Hopefully it will become available as that would enhance my use case enormously.
 @Javacookies [also, there's Ubsync for syncing to Nextcloud … not yet available for arm64 though], what did that app need depandancy wise to get on arm64
 I wasn't able to follow the discussion about that
 anyone trying it? i know a few were trying linphone, but that needed cpu features and was hardcoded for some depandancies
 so linphone looked like quite a lot of work needed
 I think it's something similar to that
[13:54] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @mateosalta [so linphone looked like quite a lot of work needed], Indeed, it doesn't work for arm64 devices yet. I've tried to compile it manually, but failed to... Some dependencies are not satisfied. It seems that Linphone development is at a standstill (latest version: 04/12/2019)
[13:57] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @mateosalta [so linphone looked like quite a lot of work needed], [Edit] Indeed, it doesn't work for arm64 devices yet. I've tried to compile it manually, but failed to... Some dependencies are not satisfied.  … https://gitlab.com/ubports-linphone/linphone-simple/-/issues/49 … It seems that Linphone development is at a standstill (l
[13:57] <ubptgbot> atest version: 04/12/2019)
[13:57] <ubptgbot> Kry9toN was added by: Kry9toN
 @Alexi [hi everybody, is it there any roadmap for the ubports state on the pinephone? I …], If there was a good GIF to show a fork in a road with 10,000 options I'd show that now.  :)
 (Photo, 259x194) https://irc.ubports.com/tSjk4XJz.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/HsdwhyUO.mp4
 Who here would be interested in an Aquaris M10 FHD in great condition?
 OTA-16 should have been released to all devices by now, right? … I should give up waiting for the push notification? 😆
 The push notification doesn't come. But maybe @Flohack could help me make one?
 Some weeks ago, I got one on my MX4 which is on RC
 RC does because it releases all at once
 The script has a built-in push notification sender
 it's not too important to me, I just like the feeling of getting it acting like I'm not active in the community and doesn't know there's an update 😂
 though it's definitely good to have for exactly the people opposite of us 😄
 I go to the update page often, but users who don't might want or need notifications for important app and system updates?
 yeah, having them for apps may be more complicated but it's already implemented for system updates. The gradual rollout of OTAs seems to interfere with it though.
 @TartanSpartan [Will test in the morning in bright light conditions (since people have identifie …], I said this, but then of course the weather today is grey and dreary enough as to be uncooperative with my plans. Another time!
 @UniversalSuperBox [The push notification doesn't come. But maybe @Flohack could help me make one?], Try the push test app from Krille
 @Flohack [Try the push test app from Krille], I mean for updates
[17:40] <ubptgbot> M B was added by: M B
 How to activate IP over USB when MTP is enabled? When I plug my device I can open it in the file explorer but I want to SSH into it like i did before enabling MTP
 You can do ssh over adb
 https://t.me/ubports/145493
 @dohbee [You can do ssh over adb], Thanks, I guess that I need to find out how to activate ADB first :) Any advice? My port is still in progress, it seems that it might be my next milestone :)
 @dohbee [https://t.me/ubports/145493], Thanks, it will be usefull once ADB will be working :)
 @Oliv4945 [Thanks, I guess that I need to find out how to activate ADB first :) Any advice? …], does enabling developer mode not work?
 No
 @dohbee [does enabling developer mode not work?], No 😁
 you can maybe do `android-gadget-service enable ssh` on the phone, and add your public key to `~/.ssh/authorized_keys` on the device and then ssh to it over wifi
 @dohbee [you can maybe do android-gadget-service enable ssh on the phone, and add your pu …], Yes thanks. SSH over Wi-Fi does work but there is still an issue where Wi-Fi does not auto reconnect after reboot, painful during the porting process. Then SSH is enabled by default, should I disable it by default?
 @Oliv4945 [Yes thanks. SSH over Wi-Fi does work but there is still an issue where Wi-Fi doe …], it should be disabled by default in any port, yes.
 Ok, which property override should be use please?
 and even on my nexus 4, sometimes it is still on wifi but i can no longer resolve the ip for it, or the route drops for some reason and i have to manually reconnect it to be able to ssh in again
 i don't know. afaik it's not already enabled by default
 so if you haven't changed a property to enable it by default it should be off
[18:19] <ubptgbot> Pasquinator was added by: Pasquinator
 ssh doesn't seem to start every reboot unless developer mode is enabled
 that makes sense
 The way the ssh startup was done is kinda dumb. There's a writable `ssh.override` in /etc/init... but /etc/init is scanned for files before `mountall` runs, which is what mounts your modified `ssh.override`
 Ok thank you all, I do not have `ssh.override` property but I guess that Kugi Eusebio  is correct, I think I only tried with dev mode enabled
 It's not a property, it's a file. But that's only one way that people use to try to make SSH work.
 The property is a different method, and I'm not sure exactly what it takes into account before issuing a `start ssh` command.
 @UniversalSuperBox [It's not a property, it's a file. But that's only one way that people use to try …], Ah ok thanks. So I just checked: developer mode disabled (after a fresh install), SSH server is activated
 @dohbee [does enabling developer mode not work?], The problem is that is broken e.g. on Halium 7.1 and I also think on 5.1
 Only MTP works there
 why?
 so developer mode doesn't work on any halium devices?
 @dohbee [so developer mode doesn't work on any halium devices?], NOt on any of mine yes :) - The message back then was: "We want SSH to be the favoured debug method since this is smth that can be common to all Halium devices as well as Non-Android phones"
 So nobody ever fixed it there I would say. Basically adb is not started or smth like this
 @Flohack [So nobody ever fixed it there I would say. Basically adb is not started or smth …], Ah OK, thanks :)
 So you only SSH over Wi-Fi when MTP is enabled?
 @Nibor [Gonna ask it here first before trying. If I set my filesystem to r/w so I can ru …], the chance the opposite is higher: ota updates breaking your deskltop app
 or nuking the desktop app 😂
 [Edit] or rather ota updates nuking the desktop app 😂
 @Oliv4945 [So you only SSH over Wi-Fi when MTP is enabled?], i guess the problem is that adbd is not running for some reason on those devices; you can ssh over wifi regardless of whether MTP is enabled, as long as ssh is enabled
 @dohbee [i guess the problem is that adbd is not running for some reason on those devices …], Yes this is also my understanding at this point, I guess that it is one more reason to fix fix reconnection after boot soon 😂
 @Oliv4945 [So you only SSH over Wi-Fi when MTP is enabled?], Thats what I do. Seems some reports show that MTP+ADB mode works again in Halium 9 but I cant confirm so far
 @Flohack [Thats what I do. Seems some reports show that MTP+ADB mode works again in Halium …], Thanks. Is there any known issue with MTP? It is working with arm64 rootfs but only after the firstreboot. And does not work with rmhf rootfs
 And is there a way to rename it? Having `SAMSUNG Android` for an UBTouch device is weird :)
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> cant ssh to phone
[21:02] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> help
 @Mertcan herolte [cant ssh to phone], You need to open a console. Edit ssh config and enable password authentication. Then system ssh restart. You also need to setup a pin and use it as password.
[21:07] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> my phone going to burn its very hot
 @Mertcan herolte [my phone going to burn its very hot], Do you have a refrigerator? Get some ice :)
[21:08] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> how to edit ssh config
 @Mertcan herolte [cant ssh to phone], This may help you: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh.html
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> this group faster than apple
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> lol
[21:09] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> for helping
 @klaartje_b [This may help you: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/advanceduse/ssh. …], Yes that guide has served me very well as I've set up two new(ish) devices this week and it's even faster than waiting for troubleshoot feedback say on this supergroup.
 Also I do love how certain devices like the Volla create a new category: entirely wireless. There's very little reason to either charge or transfer data with a cable anymore besides maybe OTG charging from a battery pack- and thus the USB port and device in general should have a significantly improved lifespan.
 @TotalSonic [Ok, so diving into it Syncthing isn't so hard to setup after all.  Almost there. …], You are welcome. Happy it fit in a usecase you have. Now I just need to find the time to build the latest version.
[22:10] <ubptgbot> Barrett Richards was added by: Barrett Richards
 @bisbg [You need to open a console. Edit ssh config and enable password authentication. …], no, one just needs to add their public key to authorized keys. please don't default to telling people to make their devices less secure by enabling password auth for ssh
[22:34] <ubptgbot> <Barrett Richards> OMG guys🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀 … https://cutt.ly/bxhbOVF EIIIon Mmusskk crazy!!!
 @Oliv4945 [Thanks. Is there any known issue with MTP? It is working with arm64 rootfs but o …], Actually it is working also on armhf, but the phone has to be rebooted after the first install :/
[23:14] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> im working on fix sdcard, ubports can see sdcard from lsblk and names it "mmcblk0", i tried mount it with
[23:15] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> mount -t sdcardfs /dev/mmcblk0 /home/phablet/sdcard
[23:15] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> and phone crashed
[23:18] <ubptgbot> rauldelca was added by: rauldelca


[01:20] <OneM_Industries> Hey, there is a bot in #ubuntu that is spamming people.
[01:21] <rww> nick?
[01:21] <rww> nvm someone beat you to it
[01:21] <OneM_Industries> xsw123
[01:21] <OneM_Industries> Oh.
[01:22] <rww> hrm, or not
[01:22] <rww> i guess they figured out how to have multiple IPs at once, joy
[07:51] <Dylan____> Hey ops on #ubuntu we got a person advertising flights
[07:51] <Dylan____> Can you ban him please?
[07:51] <Dylan____> Names jordan-cb
[07:51] <Dylan____> I mean jordan-ch
[07:53] <Flannel> Dylan____: Thanks for the tip
[07:53] <Dylan____> Soz
[07:53] <Dylan____> I did a wrong command
[07:53] <Dylan____> By mistake
[07:55] <Flannel> Dylan____: No worries.  Thanks for the heads up.
[07:55] <Dylan____> Thats okay
[11:24] <k1l_> pictubers hoster is known for trolls.
[11:24] <ikonia> really, I didn't even look at the ip whois
[11:25] <k1l_> i removed that open proxy troll
[11:25] <ikonia> he's been warned and given the guidlines to check, so no excuses
[14:17] <moonman> huh?
[14:18] <moonman> huh?
 is also a burn in hell if not saved
[15:53] <bazhang> doing that for a few hours network wide
[16:18] <bazhang> surprised at how patient you could be
[16:18] <ikonia> trying to give the benifit of the doubt and provide clear info
[16:18] <bazhang> of course we wasjust ultra open trolling earlier
[16:19] <ikonia> the fact that he is using an out of date unofficial mirror rather than the official web page which clearly says 32bit, 64bit would ruin his argument
[16:19] <bazhang> we meaning he
 whats wrong with the ubuntu off-topic channel ? <keli> cant access it
[17:38] <k1l_> couldnt find a matching ban in bantracker
[17:39] <bazhang> chu is in it?
[17:40] <bazhang> awkward!
[21:21] <phunyguy> is jubo2 still banned?
[21:23] <Unit193> [16:22:38] 206 - #ubuntu-offtopic: ban *!*@wikipedia/jukeboksi (by<EMAIL_ADDRESS>523747 secs ago)
[21:24] <phunyguy> ahh.. must be the lack of sasl that allows him in the channel.  He just can't chat when he actually authenticates.
[21:25] <phunyguy> Pici: you want to handle?
[22:43] <rww> ban by nick, problem solved
[22:44] <k1l_> "oops i accidently joined uncloaked"
[22:44] <rww> well, that's possible. "oops i accidentally joined uncloaked and changed my nick" is a bit harder to defend :)
[22:45] <k1l_> hehe
[22:45] <k1l_> but thats in trolling 102 :)
[22:48] <Unit193> I'd say IP. :P
[22:49] <rww> well yeah, but that's someone harder to retroactively get than nick :P
[22:50] <Unit193> rww: Nah man, he flips his cloak all the time.  Also #freenode gives instructions on decloaking nowdays. :D


[08:40] <vish> how do i update a bot factoid?
[08:40] <rww> !bot
[08:40] <vish> using !factoid-#ubuntu-bugs is <reply> foo       ..keeps giving error
[08:40]  * vish goes readin
[08:41] <rww> submitting suggestions for channel-specific factoids is currently broken due to a bug
[08:41] <vish> ah!
[08:41] <rww> I'd drop by #ubuntu-ops and suggest it manually :)
[08:41] <vish> oh, thats a scary place :)
[08:41] <Tm_T> is not
[08:42] <vish> well, it *does* scare me.. ;)  ok.. will ask there
[08:44] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-bugs, vish said: !tags is <reply> We use some common tags for tracking bugs on Launchpad.net See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags for common usage.
[08:45] <vish> yay!
[08:48] <Tm_T> vish: glad I was of any help
[08:48] <vish> Tm_T: thanks.. :)
[19:56] <regeya> ok, anyone have any idea what I've got set wrong in irssi that I'm still seeing FloodBot's msgs to everyone who joins #ubuntu-unregged?
[19:57] <regeya> I'm seeing this in #ubuntu btw.
[20:04] <regeya> last time I had that happen (client is apparently joining #ubuntu before ident is verified)
[20:04] <regeya> ...I had someone direct me to this channel.
[20:06] <erUSUL> regeya: maybe #ubuntu-ops is better place
[20:06] <Pici> Your client is misconfigured if you're seeing messages in #ubuntu-unregged in #ubuntu


[01:23] <slangasek> Laney: do you have any insight into the systemd autopkgtest regression (failure to recover from reboot, where this did not happen previously)? looks like some sort of behavior change in the testbed
[09:03] <Laney> slangasek: pitti hinted barry the other day to look at the kernel, something to do with nested qemu
[09:19] <Laney> slangasek: I think this is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1658178 which apw filed at the same time
[09:26] <apw> Laney, interestingly those are showing the tester getting unexpectedly "Killed" and the one we are chasing on i386 is doing that too, in apparmor tests
[09:28] <Laney> apw: it says it timed out
[09:28] <Laney> also pitti said he ran it on debian's 4.9 kernel and it happened for him with that one too
[09:35] <apw> Laney, not uncommon when the world gets oom'd i guess
[09:36] <Laney> It's a theory
[09:37] <Laney> Sounds like it was reproducible locally for him anyway, so someone could confirm that
[09:38] <apw> investigations are on-going at least
[10:00] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, like every monday morning, I'm looking for an AA to make some transitions end/finish
[10:08] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, let us know what you are looking to do, and we can see what we can do
[10:12] <LocutusOfBorg> sigh LP: #1624694
[10:22] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, done
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> z3
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> <3
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> another thing is some demotions to proposed to see ocaml stack migrate
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> they are all RC buggy and out of Stretch already
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> (leaf packages)
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> and third: some hint about imagemagick6 transition might be helpful, that emacs issue is making it stuck
[10:53] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, is there a bug for the demotions ?
[10:58] <LocutusOfBorg> nope, usually nobody asks for it
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> when the stuff is already out from debian I mean
[10:59] <LocutusOfBorg> (and is leaf)
[12:01]  * apw will see what he canf ind
[12:02] <Laney> presumably a list would be helpful at least
[12:02] <LocutusOfBorg> oh an llvm trivial promotion to main
[12:03] <LocutusOfBorg> lldb-3.9/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: python-lldb-3.9
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg>  please kick janest-core-extended janest-core-kernel janest-core pa-test ocaml-re2 ocaml-textutils in proposed
[12:04] <LocutusOfBorg> this is the list
[12:05] <rbasak> Could someone force-badtest dovecot/1:2.2.25-1ubuntu2/armhf please? This is a known unstable test. It takes an unreasonable number of retry attempts to get it to pass. This is blocking mysql-5.7 migration. I did look into it but I couldn't find the race :-/
[12:06] <apw> rbasak, looking
[12:08] <apw> rbasak, done
[12:09] <Laney> rbasak: Could you make that test non-fatal for the next upload maybe?
[12:09] <apw> rbasak, right if we are going to ignore it anyhow ...
[12:35] <rbasak> Laney, apw: I'd like to. cpaelzer suggest the same. But the test is probably useful on armhf. I wonder if there's any dep8 thing to limit a test by arch? Or should I just make it check dpkg-architecture?
[12:37] <rbasak> Thank you for forcing for now, anyway
[12:37] <Laney> rbasak: There isn't, but I was thinking you'd do it on just that one test which would require patching the code anyway
[12:37] <Laney> (I assume)
[12:38] <rbasak> If you're saying that I use dpkg-architecture or similar to make the test result ignored on armhf but still fatal if failed on amd64, then sure, we can do that.
[12:41] <Laney> rbasak: oh right, I just looked and the testsuite is actually directly contained in debian/tests
[12:41] <Laney> I thought you'd have to modify the upstream testsuite to make that one non-fatal
[12:41] <Laney> So yeah, what you say
[12:45] <rbasak> OK, thanks
[13:22] <cpaelzer> rbasak: in other cases I have touched or written tests that just check dpkg-architecture
[13:23] <cpaelzer> rbasak: although a generic arch feature in d/t/control would be nice I'd expect that since the code snippet is so small nobody ever bothered
[13:23] <cpaelzer> the snipped for your test to check on arch
[13:23] <rbasak> cpaelzer: thanks. Good to know that seems to be the best method right now
[13:24] <cpaelzer> rbasak: if you want me to point to a snippet to resue let me know
[13:29] <cpaelzer> rbasak: https://gerrit.fd.io/r/gitweb?p=deb_dpdk.git;a=blob;f=debian/tests/check-dpdk-supported-arch.sh;h=1105dc2edf4dd4f7ab7f47b715f228efbfbffcf6;hb=refs/heads/16.11.x
[13:29] <cpaelzer> I realized it is useless to ask to ask :-) if you need feel free to pick that up (or suggest changes if you want)
[13:29] <cpaelzer> we reuse that in different tests that are in our d/t/*
[13:32] <rbasak> cpaelzer: thanks. I've noted this in the bug.
[13:52] <acheronuk> release team: ca someone please make an exception, force, skip or whatever is appropriate, for the ppc64el and s390x of http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gwenview
[13:53] <acheronuk> one of the test dependencies now requires QtWebEngine, which is not and I don't think ever will be buildable so satisfied on those architectures
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, <3
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> oh... you need a bigger hammer :(
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg>     * amd64: libcore-extended-ocaml-dev, libcore-kernel-ocaml-dev, libcore-ocaml-dev, libpa-test-camlp4-dev, libre2-ocaml-dev, libtextutils-ocaml-dev
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg> they migrated again :/
[14:31] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, grrr ... ok
[14:33] <LocutusOfBorg> block proposed maybe?
[14:33] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, yep, done that
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sosreport [source] (yakkety-proposed) [3.3+git50-g3c0349b-2~ubuntu16.10.1]
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sosreport [source] (trusty-proposed) [3.3+git50-g3c0349b-2~ubuntu14.04.1]
[14:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected sosreport [source] (xenial-proposed) [3.3+git50-g3c0349b-2~ubuntu16.04.1]
[14:44] <apw> ^ will be replaced by an updated zesty and associated backports
[14:48] <zul> hey can someone get panko out of binary new please?
[14:53] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, your hammer is not strong enough :/
[14:56] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, erp how is that possible, they are blocked in hint
[14:56] <LocutusOfBorg> don't know... I'm going to open a bug
[14:56] <Laney> check the log first
[14:57] <apw> Laney, i can only assume the hints hit too late or something
[14:57] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, probably, because dinstall run some seconds before your hint
[14:57] <LocutusOfBorg> ran
[14:58] <apw> though i don't know how unlucky i could have gotten
[15:03] <Laney> yeah I expect if they are demoted again it'll be good now
[15:04] <apw> Laney, working on that presumption.  it seems the blocks needs to be in more than a couple of mins before
[15:05] <apw> i guess we update the hints, then do something slow, then evaluate the world against the hints
[15:36] <coreycb> hello, can someone from the release team please reject python-oslo.context python-oslo.context from zesty-proposed?
[15:36] <coreycb> that is, python-oslo.context 2.12.0-0ubuntu1
[15:41] <slangasek> Laney: nested qemu> ah; should that bug be refiled against the kernel, then?
[15:43] <Laney> slangasek: I suppose it will be if apw's minion's investigations confirm the hunch
[15:47] <slashd> Hi SRU, could you please take a look at "krb5 | 1.13.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2" waiting in the Xenial upload queue in order to get a build in -proposed this week if possible ? It will be appreciated, thanks
[15:48] <barry> good to see network-manager got promoted.  any idea what was causing the systemd 'upstream' test to fail and how that got unblocked?
[15:51] <apw> slashd, the existing krb5 has a regressing ADT test so it stuck in -proposed
[15:54] <seb128> apw, pitti said on friday that it was fine to ignore, that's a posgresql test issue see https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/01/20/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t10:19
[16:03] <slashd> apw, please let me know if the situation changes
[16:04] <rbasak> apw: I think it's fine to release krb5 on all three series. Shall I go ahead and do that or are you still looking?
[16:04] <apw> rbasak, i am in the middle of it ...
[16:04] <apw> rbasak, you concur that that openafs failure does not look related in trusty ?
[16:05] <rbasak> apw: agreed. It looks like it's been failing that way for a long time.
[16:06] <apw> rbasak, all gone ... i'll let that propogate before reviewing the new one
[16:07] <apw> slashd, there is no coresponding yakkety upload, do i conclude it is not needed there ?
[16:07] <acheronuk> forensics-all seems stuck in zesty proposed as it requires https://packages.debian.org/sid/rekall-core
[16:07] <acheronuk>  is this syncable?
[16:08] <acheronuk> that issue would block KDE's gwenview from migrating
[16:09] <rbasak> apw: thanks!
[16:09] <slashd> apw, Y and Z already has the code in place
[16:10] <sil2100> bdmurray: hey! You want to take care of ceph in the xenial queue, or can I pick it up? Asking since you accepted the yakkety version
[16:11] <bdmurray> sil2100: feel free to review it
[16:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ceph [source] (xenial-proposed) [10.2.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[16:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted krb5 [source] (xenial-proposed) [1.13.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2]
[16:31] <apw> slashd, ^
[16:33] <slashd> apw, thanks much appreciated
[17:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: knot [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: knot [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [ppc64el] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[17:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: gtkhash [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0-1] (no packageset)
[17:28] <Laney> 'sup with the arm64 buildds?
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [s390x] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: knot [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[17:35] <apw> Laney, in motion currently apparently
[17:35] <Laney> apw: literally
[17:36] <apw> Laney, literally
[17:36] <Laney> raise RecursionError
[17:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New sync: rekall (zesty-proposed/primary) [1.6.0+dfsg-1]
[17:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [powerpc] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[17:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: knot [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[17:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: libpgobject-util-dbchange-perl [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [0.050.2-1] (no packageset)
[18:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [i386] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[18:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[18:57] <sil2100> smoser: hey! I'm reviewing the curtin xenial SRU right now and out of curiosity - what's the reason for removing merge-upstream from the new-upstream-snapshot script?
[18:59] <smoser> sil2100, because i gave up
[19:00] <smoser> merge upstream (prob ably because of some historic luser error or current luser error) was doing the bzr thing where it decides that although 2 files are identical, it should show a diff on the removal of one file and replacement of that same file.
[19:01] <smoser> ie, bzr tracks 'files' rather than just their content, and the file-id in the trunk branh somehow got to be different than the file-id in the packaging brach
[19:01] <sil2100> eh, ok
[19:01] <smoser> at least that is how i understand it, andso 'bzr diff old-version new-version' becomes useless.
[19:04] <sil2100> Anyway, the replacements looks sane, was just missing some context about the change in the comments, but it's all good
[19:05] <sil2100> smoser: IIUC some of the bugs from the release are also for yakkety, right? Could you prepare a yakkety upload later as well?
[19:06] <smoser> have you ever seen taht before ? the file thing ?
[19:08] <smoser> yeah, i can do an upload for yakkety
[19:08] <sil2100> Don't remember seeing it, but I haven't used merge-upstream quite a while though
[19:09] <sil2100> smoser: ok, another small question as it's the first time I review curtin: why is the zesty bzr snapshot revno different from the xenial one? Is it because of the new-upstream-snapshot changes?
[19:11] <sil2100> Ah, no, I see, xenial test skips
[19:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: qemu (xenial-proposed/main) [1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.7 => 1:2.5+dfsg-5ubuntu10.8] (ubuntu-server, virt)
[19:12] <sil2100> Ok
[19:13] <sil2100> All good, looks like it's the same
[19:13] <sil2100> Ignore my question in that case
[19:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted curtin [source] (xenial-proposed) [0.1.0~bzr437-0ubuntu1~16.04.1]
[19:20] <smoser> sil2100, oh. i uploaded 437 to xenial. i can upload 437 to zesty now
[19:20] <smoser> to make sure that it is newer
[19:20] <smoser> but yeah, the difference is just a commit and a revert
[19:28] <cpaelzer> hi, might anybody have time to look at considering migrate for Xenial as well for bug 1626972 ?
[19:49] <smoser> sil2100, just now uploaded to yakkety.
[19:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: curtin (yakkety-proposed/main) [0.1.0~bzr425-0ubuntu1 => 0.1.0~bzr437-0ubuntu1~16.10.1] (ubuntu-server)
[20:37] <sil2100> smoser: thanks - yeah, you could upload for consistency, but it's all good since they're both the same
[21:31] <bdmurray> slangasek: could you fully phase apport for xenial? The SRU involved an import change at the beginning of a file which will change line numbers for everything thereby creating a different SAS for python trackebacks.
[21:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: knot [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[21:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: knot [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [2.4.0-2] (no packageset)
[21:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [arm64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[21:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ros-opencv-apps [armhf] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.11.14-1] (no packageset)
[22:06] <slangasek> bdrung: phasing done
[22:06] <slangasek> sigh
[22:06] <slangasek> bdmurray: phasing done
[22:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (xenial-security/main) [3.0~rc.4ubuntu62.1.1 => 3.0~rc.4ubuntu62.1.1] (core) (sync)
[22:08] <barry> Laney, cyphermox, slangasek i see network-manager got promoted, which means systemd 232-10ubuntu1 probably fixed the 'upstream' autopkgtest.  or was some other explicit fix made to get systemd's autopkgtests passing again?
[22:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flash-kernel (yakkety-security/main) [3.0~rc.4ubuntu64.1.1 => 3.0~rc.4ubuntu64.1.1] (core) (sync)
[22:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware-raspi2 (yakkety-security/multiverse) [1.20161020-0ubuntu1~1.1 => 1.20161020-0ubuntu1~1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware-raspi2 (xenial-security/multiverse) [1.20161020-0ubuntu1~0.1 => 1.20161020-0ubuntu1~0.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:21] <slangasek> barry: as systemd tests are currently broken I marked them such in proposed-migration
[22:21] <barry> slangasek: ack, thanks
[22:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flash-kernel [sync] (xenial-security) [3.0~rc.4ubuntu62.1.1]
[22:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware-raspi2 [sync] (xenial-security) [1.20161020-0ubuntu1~0.1]
[22:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flash-kernel [sync] (yakkety-security) [3.0~rc.4ubuntu64.1.1]
[22:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware-raspi2 [sync] (yakkety-security) [1.20161020-0ubuntu1~1.1]
[22:35] <acheronuk> could someone please force-badtest okular/4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1. that old KDE4 version has a new Qt5 version about to take it's place, so the single Qt4 failing test there is pretty much an irrelevance
[22:35] <acheronuk> thx :)
[23:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-limits [amd64] (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.2.1-1] (no packageset)


[08:16] <ilvipero> Fallen: I bought 3x A5 size document stands for Akademy, I am going to prepare a google form to ask for feedback on Ubuntu. Then add a QR code and print in A5 size.
[08:16] <ilvipero> Once that is done, I will reach out to Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio and ask them if they want me to create similar forms with QR Codes for their projects.
[08:16]  * ilvipero uploaded an image: (364KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jsmIbYSQFUfVArpwCfdfNlee/document-stand-akademy.png >
[09:47] <Fallen> ilvipero: Sounds great! For simplicity, do you think it makes sense to just have one form? In Google forms you can "go to section based on answer" in the three dots menu, this way you can just pop in a question on what project they'd like to give feedback on.
 "ilvipero: Sounds great! For..." <- From a table clutter point of view, it makes sense. But I wanted to go the easy way, scan, answer 3~5 questions. done. Plus, if we can get Kubuntu and Studio logos there, we can showcase our community projects and show we are representing them. might look better? What do you think?


[11:53] <macza01> afternoon peeps
[11:53] <macza01> Maaz: coffee on
[11:53]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[11:54] <paddatrapper> Hi macza01
[11:57] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for macza01!
[11:57] <macza01> Maaz: coffee please
[11:57] <Maaz> macza01: There isn't a pot on
[11:57] <macza01> Hi paddatrapper am just connecting via Kiwi IRC at the moment
[11:58] <macza01> so not using my usual nick lsdmacza
[11:58] <paddatrapper> macza01: ah I see. How are things?
[11:58] <macza01> good. busy.
[11:59] <macza01> (and hoping for much rain soon)
[12:00] <paddatrapper> Yeah, rain would be very much appreciated!
[15:24]  * superfly waves from a very cold Willcox, AZ
[15:25] <superfly> :-( I missed macza01
[17:59] <chesedo> o/
[17:59] <chesedo> superfly: used to know him?
[18:00] <superfly> chesedo: If it is who I think it is, then it's andrewlsd, and I know him personally.
[18:00] <chesedo> yea that lsd substr does seem to make a connection


[16:02] <Mathew> please  any one  ? I can not install 3rd party software  i need some remote dt help or?? some real good walk though online support....?
[16:03] <diogenes_> Mathew, more specific
[16:05] <genii> "3rd party software" is pretty vague. If it's some application you're installing from source, the usual place to put it is in /opt
[16:06] <Mathew> get strange arror
[16:07] <Mathew> and get referd to this command
[16:07] <Mathew> apt-get install gdebi-core
[16:08] <Mathew> running ub 17.xx
[16:08] <Mathew> like for steam i did finaly get the lancher for install but it will not lanch
[16:10] <Mathew> any one here
[16:12] <Mathew> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[16:12] <Mathew> hit (Y) and term echos y for ever
[16:15] <Mathew> hello
[16:18] <Mathew> is there anybody out there


[00:17] <erichammond> If you have access to a VPC instance inside of us-east-1 and would be willing to check the DNS resolution of a hostname for me, let me know and I'll send you the host name privately.  I'm trying to propose a solution to a VPC problem with the Canonical Ubuntu AMIs.
[16:37] <ubuntucloud973> I want to contribute to this project.
[19:28] <koolhead17> hi all
[19:29] <robbiew> koolhead17: hey
[19:30]  * koolhead17 bows to robbiew
[19:31]  * robbiew tells koolhead17 there's no need to bow ;)
[19:31] <koolhead17> robbiew, how have you been?
[19:31] <robbiew> koolhead17: good...sprinting this week
[19:32] <koolhead17> i have a complain to make canonical guys. please don`t give free t-shirts to those who don`t know what they are wearing :(
[19:32]  * koolhead17 saw few guys wearing oneric t-shirt and they did not knew abbout it
[19:32] <koolhead17> i went to them asking about it and they were clueless :(
[19:32] <koolhead17> :)
[19:33] <koolhead17> robbiew, working on orchestra?
[19:34] <koolhead17> i mean the  sprint
[19:35] <robbiew> koolhead17: how do you know Canonical gave them the shirt ;)
[19:35] <robbiew> koolhead17: the team has been sprinting on LXC, Ensemble, OpenStack, and Orchestra
[19:36] <koolhead17> robbiew, who else will get oneric t-shirts printed when its still in alpha :)
[19:36] <koolhead17> BTW i met Mr. shuttleworth as well :)
[19:36] <robbiew> koolhead17: anyone who attended UDS ;)
[19:37] <koolhead17> robbiew, must be having fun there LXC, ensemble, Openstack Orchestra. woahh
[19:37]  * koolhead17 feels bad. how come folks attending UDS don`t know about Oneric
[19:37]  * koolhead17 will tweet
[19:38] <robbiew> koolhead17: did you ever think that these folks who know about Oneiric may have had extra shirts...and given them away?
[19:41] <koolhead17> robbiew, well i have just a request give t-shirt with purpose :P
[19:42] <koolhead17> i saw someone wearing openstack t-shirt too and i thought ooh finally found someone at desktop summit but i was wrong :(
[22:06] <erichammond> Here's a problem with Ubuntu AMIs on Amazon EC2 VPC: https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?threadID=73379
[22:06] <erichammond> It looks like the best solution is for Canonical operations group to change DNS for EC2 apt repositories.  Can a Canonical person file an RT ticket to bring this to their attention?
[22:41] <erichammond> smoser, kim0: ^^^
[23:17] <SpamapS> erichammond: I think it should be pretty simple to have cloud-init detect VPC and point at an external mirror.
[23:17] <SpamapS> erichammond: probably should open a bug against it to do just that.
[23:18] <SpamapS> ah, bug 824947 does just that
[23:18] <erichammond> SpamapS: Yes, I filed that, though I think the best solution is operational, not releasing new software and AMIs.
[23:19] <erichammond> Amazon agrees that DNS is the best way to resolve this.
[23:19] <erichammond> Apparently that's how RedHat solves this situation, too.
[23:20]  * erichammond switches to a new battery
[23:21] <SpamapS> I dunno, having the private ips used is quite popular...
[23:21] <SpamapS> I wonder if we can cheat and only answer with the private IP when EC2's DNS servers ask. Don't the VPC's use different resolvers?
[23:22] <SpamapS> erichammond: we have to do new images periodically anyway.. and there is a short term workaround.
[23:22] <SpamapS> anyway, I agree that that would solve it, at the cost of bandwidth and speed.. hrm
[23:22] <SpamapS> anyway, time to board my flight


[12:32] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 @BluesKaj, Good morning
[12:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ericadams
 guys, does KDE has any inbuilt iso usb maker?
[17:40] <level15>  Hi. So, I exported my private key with gpg -a --export-secret-keys > file.asc . Then I copied file.asc to another computer, where then I ran gpg --import  file.asc. Now gpg -k shows the key in the list of public keys, but gpg -K shows no private keys. What am I missing?
[18:51] <sparr> What should be setting LC_ALL in my shells/environments?
[21:21] <user456724> Kubuntu 18.04: Is there a terminal command to reset the mouse? I ask because my USB mouse freezes after suspend, but works after being being unplugged and plugged back in.
[22:43] <konrados> Hello! When I did 'sudo apt ugrade' I got an error:  https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/70f282d63c664a22b286d854eb5b1bf9
[22:43] <konrados> what should I do now? I believe I can't just remove this package?
[23:51] <konrados> Hi again, I had to restart my pc, did anyone once maybe?
[23:53] <TheMerchantOfVen> Did anyone what?


[05:58] <spug> Is there any way to get the new 20.04 autoinstaller to use the installer.squashfs file from the ISO rather than load reference the entire ISO image using the url= kernel command-line argument?


[00:08] <R_P_S> hey rick_h, just wanted to thank you for the help so far.
[00:15] <bdx> is there support for artful series on aws?
[00:16] <bdx> Im seeing juju has grabbed a machine http://paste.ubuntu.com/25970976/
[00:16] <bdx> but just doesn't want to start
[00:17] <bdx> been sitting there for a while, making me think artful hasn't made the cut just yet
[00:18] <bdx> by a "while" I mean like 20 mins
[09:49] <ChaoticMind> is the jaas controller being super slow right now or is it just me?
[09:50] <mhilton> ChaoticMind, what cloud/region are you seeing problems in?
[09:50] <ChaoticMind> aws/eu-central-1
[09:52] <mhilton> ChaoticMind, thanks I'll try it out and see if I see the same.
[09:52] <ChaoticMind> thanks
[09:57] <mhilton> ChaoticMind, is there any particular command that's taking it's time for you?
[09:58] <ChaoticMind> mhilton: just deploying the bundle took forever (like 3 minutes for a smallish bundle). Setting relationships took like 15 seconds each
[09:58] <ChaoticMind> Usually it's about 0.5 seconds
[09:59] <ChaoticMind> I made a new model and tried it again now, it seems ok now!
[10:00] <mhilton> ChaoticMind: I'll look into it, one of the controllers may be overloaded. Thanks for mentioning it.
[10:01] <ChaoticMind> no worries
[16:12] <bdx> yoyoyo - whats the deal with artful deploys? Will someone `juju add-machine --series artful` on aws and let me know if I'm crazy
[16:14] <bdx> oooh shoot, looks like adding a machine of artful worked actually
[16:14] <bdx> nm
[16:14] <bdx> jeeze
[16:14] <bdx> ahh, `juju deploy ubuntu --series artful --force` is what is failing
[16:16] <kwmonroe> bdx: how about juju add-machine --series artful; juju deploy ubuntu --to X --force?
[16:16] <kwmonroe> just a shot in the dark
[16:16] <bdx> kwmonroe: no, great shot, I actually just did that and it worked
[16:16] <kwmonroe> sweet
[16:17] <bdx> and it looks like what was failing me last evening is now working too, with the `juju deploy ubuntu --series artful --force`
[16:17] <bdx> gd
[16:18] <bdx> I was experiencing some extreme jitter yesterday on JAAS I think
[16:18] <bdx> I was trying to get an artful deploy going for quite a while and it was just failing at machine "pending"
[16:18] <bdx> really strange
[16:18] <kwmonroe> ha!  yeah, "juju deploy ubuntu --series artful --force" just worked for me too on aws
[16:34] <R_P_S> hey, so as part of my ongoing evaluation of juju, I've just created an HA controller.  But how do I specify what subnets to create the ha-instances into?
[16:35] <bdx> jam:^^
[16:36] <bdx> R_P_S: that is possible with the `--to` directive, its just not documented yet
[16:37] <bdx> I think its something like `--to subnet=subnet-<id>`
[16:37] <R_P_S> so $ juju enable-ha --to subnet=subnet-priv1b --to subnet=subnet-priv1c ?
[16:38] <bdx> R_P_S: let me see if I can get it, omp
[16:40] <bdx> R_P_S: `juju bootstrap aws/us-west-2 --to subnet=subnet-<id> --credential mycred`
[16:40] <bdx> ^^ worked
[16:40] <bdx> I'll see about the HA omp
[16:40] <R_P_S> yeah, that worked for the first instance...
[16:40] <bdx> instances are launching faster then I've ever experienced
[16:41] <R_P_S> but after creating the initial controller, enabling HA put them in random subnets as far as I can tell
[16:41] <bdx> I already have a bootstrapped controller
[16:41] <bdx> crazy
[16:41] <R_P_S> including moxing public and private subnets for controllers 1 and 2
[16:43] <bdx> R_P_S: `juju enable-ha  --to subnet=subnet-<id>,subnet=subnet-<id>`
[16:43] <bdx> worked seamlessly
[16:44] <bdx> R_P_S: would you mind putting some heat on this please https://github.com/juju/docs/issues/2122
[16:47] <R_P_S> I don't have a github account and I'm at work... I'll need to do that later... as an aside, that ticket doesn't appear to be about enable-ha
[16:52] <R_P_S> so now I'm not sure how to remove the extra HA controllers
[16:52] <R_P_S> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.2/controllers-ha
[16:53] <R_P_S> juju status doesn't have any mention of "has-vote" for the controller model... and "remove-machine" just fails with a message that "machine 2 is required by the model"
[16:55] <rick_h> R_P_S: so juju show-controller should mention HA status bits and has-vote I believe
[16:55] <jamesbenson> hi all, I'm trying to do a simple LXD conjure-up k8s with help, all-in-one.  But it fails from the get-go.
[16:55] <rick_h> R_P_S: you can always remove-machine --force but yea, best to know what's up there.
[16:56] <stokachu> jamesbenson: whats the issue?
[16:56] <rick_h> jamesbenson: bummer, what's the issue? I'm sure folks can get you good to go here.
[16:56] <jamesbenson> thanks stokachu and rick_h
[16:56] <jamesbenson> I hope so
[16:57] <jamesbenson> So there seems to be a few issues.  Sidenote: I'm doing this from a ubuntu server VM in openstack, xlarge.  Pretty sure that doesn't matter, but just in case
[16:57] <stokachu> jamesbenson: whats the hw specs?
[16:57] <stokachu> ram, cpus
[16:58] <jamesbenson> 8 vCPU, 16GB RAM, 160 GB HD
[16:58] <stokachu> ok should be fine
[16:59] <jamesbenson> ubuntu 16. LTS
[16:59] <jamesbenson> These are the commands I do from deploy: http://paste.openstack.org/show/626536/
[17:00] <jamesbenson> https://snag.gy/nT0LPv.jpg
[17:00] <jamesbenson> that's the latest state...
[17:01] <jamesbenson> actually I've tried twice... here's the other: https://snag.gy/Z9cs2x.jpg
[17:02] <jamesbenson> thoughts stokachu?
[17:15] <R_P_S> so I'm trying to rollover controllers by simply terminating "bad" ones in aws directly and re-running enable-ha
[17:16] <R_P_S> but I'm still unable to remove machines that don't show up with ha-status enabled in "show-controller"
[17:17] <R_P_S> I upped enable-ha to 7 to test the subnets... it looks like I need to specify the subnets with each enable-ha command :\
[17:18] <R_P_S> but show-controller lists machines 0,3,4,5,6,7,8 (1,2 were "demoted" accoding to enable-ha output)... but I still get "machine 1 is required by the model"
[17:19] <R_P_S> and one thing I've found is that using --force for remove-machine leaves an orphaned security group
[17:22] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: just a guess, but can those units get to the outside world?  i know etcd and k8s charms snap install stuff, so i wonder if they're having trouble getting out.  can you pastebin a "juju debug-log --replay -i etcd/0"?
[17:27] <R_P_S> juju remove-machine 1 --force
[17:27] <R_P_S> fails
[17:31] <R_P_S> this bug was opened almost a year https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1658033
[17:31] <mup> Bug #1658033: Juju HA - Unable to remove controller machines in 'down' state <4010> <cpe-onsite> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1658033>
[17:39] <bdx> R_P_S: downsizing the controller cluster isn't supported
[17:40] <bdx> you have to dump the db and restore to a smaller cluster (I think)
[17:40] <R_P_S> correct, once an -n N has been specified, it can't be shrunk
[17:40] <R_P_S> but I'm trying to simulate failure
[17:40] <R_P_S> so I terminated one instances and reran enable-ha to rebuild new ones
[17:40] <R_P_S> but the terminated onces are still in the list, unable to be removed
[17:41] <R_P_S> I'm up to 13 "machines" in the config, with 5/7 ha (currently rebuilding)
*  controller  admin  superuser  aws/us-east-1       2        13  5/7  2.2.6
[17:41] <bdx> kwmonroe: I'm hitting it again, I just deployed these and they stood up just fine, tore it down and redeployed and its the artful instances that have been in pending for > 20mins now -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975589/
[17:52] <bdx> kwmonroe: create a new model on the same controller, then deployed the same charm http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975644/
[17:52] <bdx> see what I'm saying about the inconsistencies ?
[17:52] <kwmonroe> bdx: i'm in us-east-1, and just verified "juju deploy ubuntu --series artful --force" worked again.  hard to say what's up with it being intermitten.  do a "juju ssh -m controller 0" and sudo grep around /var/log/juju for 'machine-X' to see if there's a provisioner issue.
[17:52] <bdx> right
[17:53] <kwmonroe> yeah bdx, frustrating for sure.. i'm hoping there's something in the controller log that will be more insightful about an artful provisioning issue.
[17:55] <bdx> kwmonroe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975668/ - oh man
[18:00] <kwmonroe> bdx: i haven't seen "failed to start instance (failed to start instance in provided availability zone)" before, and no sign of it in my controllers. however, i'm on 2.3-beta1 so that could be new logging in beta3.
[18:01] <kwmonroe> bdx: what kind of constraints do you have for redis-cache?  any wicked machine reqs there?
[18:01] <bdx> root-disk, spaces
[18:02] <bdx> testing w/o any constraints
[18:03] <kwmonroe> bdx: i was hoping you had "instance-type=p3.xxlarge" and i could just say "us-west is simply out of those instance types", but that doesn't seem like the case.
[18:05] <bdx> kwmonroe: it was the constraints
[18:05] <bdx> I removed them, and wala
[18:05] <kwmonroe> must have been spaces, right?  surely not root-disk
[18:05] <bdx> I wonder if I'm hitting disk cap on aws
[18:05] <bdx> testing that right now
[18:06] <kwmonroe> yeah, make sure you're asking for GB and not PB ;)
[18:06] <kwmonroe> othwise RIP your wallet
[18:09] <bdx> ha, yeah, "G"
[18:09] <bdx> so I just logged into aws console and created 10 x 100G ebs volumes
[18:09] <bdx> no issues
[18:11] <bdx> kwmonroe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1706462
[18:11] <mup> Bug #1706462: juju tries to acquire machines in specific zones even when no zone placement directive is specified <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by ecjones> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1706462>
[18:12] <bdx> see my comment at the bottom
[18:19] <bdx> kwmonroe: I'm about to suggest something crazy
[18:19] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975792/
[18:19] <bdx> taking ^ into consideration
[18:20] <bdx> redis-space and ubuntu-space are both deployed with only a "spaces" constraint
[18:20] <bdx> the ubuntu-space didn't have a --series constraint
[18:20] <bdx> or bah
[18:20] <bdx> --series argument
[18:21] <bdx> the only failures I'm seeing here are when '--series' is specified alongside a spaces constraint
[18:21] <bdx> because we see from ^ that redis-disk worked, it had '--series artful' and '--constraints "root-disk=100G"
[18:21] <bdx> and ubuntu-space worked
[18:22] <bdx> which had no '--series' arg, but had the spaces constraint
[18:22] <bdx> but the only thing failing consistently
[18:23] <bdx> are things deployed to a space that has the '--series'  arg
[18:23] <bdx> I'll prove it by specifying '--series' with another series other than artful
[18:23] <bdx> how about zesty
[18:24] <bdx> since we see from ^ that zesty worked w/o a spaces constraint
[18:25] <kwmonroe> bdx: i don't know enough about juju's zone handling, but happened here with graylog / #38? http://paste.ubuntu.com/25968550/
[18:25] <kwmonroe> did graylog have constraints?
[18:26] <bdx> no
[18:26] <bdx> well yes
[18:26] <bdx> but that isn't happening because of that
[18:27] <bdx> that happens with every single instance deployed with 2.3beta3
[18:27] <bdx> it eventually gets past the "failed to start instance (failed to start instance in provided availability zone) " and finds one and eventually starts
[18:27] <bdx> I was just posting that to show that its not only maas thats having that issue
[18:28] <bdx> ok, well I think this verifies my theory http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975824/
[18:28] <bdx> I jus deploy the ubuntu-zesty-space
[18:28] <bdx> it required the spaces constraint and --series
[18:29] <bdx> and it failed similar to the artful
[18:29] <bdx> just stuck pending
[18:29] <bdx> #@(*$U(#@*$@#*&
[18:30] <bdx> idk
[18:30] <bdx> I may as well go back to sleep
[18:30] <bdx> somehow I knew today would be a trying day
[18:37] <kwmonroe> :)
[18:39] <kwmonroe> bdx: i would note that in bug 1706462, that spaces + series repro this easily on aws
[18:39] <mup> Bug #1706462: juju tries to acquire machines in specific zones even when no zone placement directive is specified <cdo-qa> <foundations-engine> <juju:Triaged by ecjones> <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1706462>
[18:40] <bdx> kwmonroe: series + spaces only with artful
[18:40] <bdx> AND @kwmonroe
[18:40] <bdx> ^ bug is entirely different then what I'm seeing I think
[18:40] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: sorry for the delay, turkey-luncheon thingy.... that command is giving me a TLS handshake timeout..
[18:41] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: The instance can ping google...
[18:41] <bdx> kwmonroe: this verifies that it is only happening with artful http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975887/
[18:42] <bdx> kwmonroe: what I'm seeing is the instances stay in pending for only series + space + artful
[18:42] <bdx> kwmonroe: what I'm seeing is the instances stay in pending for only series + space + artful
[18:42] <bdx> 1706462 - failed to start instance (failed to start instance in provided availability zone) within attempt 0, ret
[18:42] <bdx> rying in 10s with new availability zone
[18:43] <kwmonroe> wait bdx, your previous paste shows machine 8 waiting for machine with series zesty: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975824/
[18:43] <bdx> but then on *a* next attempt, juju will find an instance, and start it, and go on its way
[18:43] <bdx> kwmonroe: ah, my bad, yea, that machine started
[18:43] <bdx> which made me realize, in all cases, its only artful that is the commonality here
[18:44] <bdx> when used with spaces + series
[18:44] <bdx> try it
[18:44] <bdx> oooh, it may be only beta3, let me try this on jaas
[18:48] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: how about just "juju debug-log"?  does that give you a tls timeout too?
[18:48] <bdx> works great on jaas http://paste.ubuntu.com/25975933/
[18:48] <bdx> kwmonroe: the juju agent never starts, so I don't get any log from those instances
[18:48] <jamesbenson> yes
[18:48] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: ^
[18:49] <bdx> oooh jamesbenson
[18:49] <bdx> my b
[18:49] <bdx> lol
[18:49] <kwmonroe> :)
[18:49] <jamesbenson> http://paste.openstack.org/show/626542/
[18:49] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: ooooohhh, i thought you meant the debug-log command wasn't showing any output.
[18:50] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: No, seems to have issues with net/http: TLS handshake timeout...
[18:51] <jamesbenson> I'm not sure why that is, though, since easyrsa is able to get active ...
[18:51] <jamesbenson> so it must be able to reach out, correct?
[18:52] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: easyrsa doesn't snap install anything
[18:52] <kwmonroe> etcd and k8s charms do
[18:52] <jamesbenson> oh man..
[18:52] <jamesbenson> so something with the bridge then
[18:52] <kwmonroe> so jamesbenson, i'll bet you all the money in my pockets that if you do a "juju run --unit easyrsa/0 'sudo snap install etcd'", it'll fail
[18:53] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: seems to be just sitting there...
[18:54] <jamesbenson> yep, same error
[18:54] <jamesbenson> juju run --unit easyrsa/0 'sudo snap install etcd'
[18:54] <jamesbenson> error: cannot perform the following tasks:
[18:54] <jamesbenson> - Download snap "core" (3440) from channel "stable" (Get https://068ed04f23.site.internapcdn.net/download-snap/99T7MUlRhtI3U0QFgl5mXXESAiSwt776_3440.snap?t=2017-11-16T20:00:00Z&h=30ced1b835617d49d8ff4221a62d789f7ca638aa: net/http: TLS handshake timeout)
[18:54] <jamesbenson> sorry about the paste there...
[18:54] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: to test the tls/http connectivity more generically, do this.. juju ssh etcd/0, then wget https://google.com from the etcd unit.
[18:55] <kwmonroe> (make sure it's https)
[18:55] <bdx> ok, here it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1732764
[18:55] <mup> Bug #1732764: series + spaces + artful + juju2.3beta3 = fail <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732764>
[18:55] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: works.
[18:55] <kwmonroe> interesting
[18:56] <jamesbenson> http://paste.openstack.org/show/626545/
[18:56] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: how about a "sudo snap install etcd" from that same etcd unit?
[18:58] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe : nope...http://paste.openstack.org/show/626546/
[18:59] <jamesbenson> interesting...
[18:59] <ryebot> jamesbenson: if this is an egress-restricted environment and you're unable to hit the snap store, I can provide you with some steps for installing them manually.
[18:59] <jamesbenson> all ports are open....
[18:59] <jamesbenson> I'll double check though..
[19:01] <kwmonroe> bdx: nice detail in 1732764.  interesting that's it's such a specific combo.  also, you may want to s/"spaces=myspace"/"spaces=facebook" in case a more recent social media platform helps.
[19:01] <jamesbenson> ryebot kwmonroe: iptables are empty, and security group is open all ports in and out.
[19:01] <jamesbenson> http://paste.openstack.org/show/626547/
[19:03] <jamesbenson> This is the only rule in my iptables -t nat: MASQUERADE  all  --  <IP_ADDRESS>/24      !<IP_ADDRESS>/24       /* managed by lxd-bridge */
[19:04] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: stick some quotes around that url... wget 'https://068ed04f23.site.internapcdn.net/download-snap/99T7MUlRhtI3U0QFgl5mXXESAiSwt776_3440.snap?t=2017-11-16T20:00:00Z&h=30ced1b835617d49d8ff4221a62d789f7ca638aa'
[19:04] <jamesbenson> hmm... still shows connected.  But once connected it sits.
[19:05] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: how about running "env | grep -i proxy" on that unit.  anything in there?
[19:07] <jamesbenson> NO_PROXY=<IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>,::1,localhost
[19:07] <jamesbenson> no_proxy=<IP_ADDRESS>,<IP_ADDRESS>,::1,localhost
[19:09] <kwmonroe> hmph jamesbenson, that seems legit
[19:10] <jamesbenson> ....so confused....  not a good sign that everything seems legit from you too...
[19:11] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: do you deploy on baremetal or in VM's?  Do you have any script or anything?
[19:22] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: by "legit", i meant the no_proxy stuff looks legit :)  if you can't do a "sudo snap install foo" from the unit, juju won't be able to either.
[19:22] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: there's a gremlin in there to be sure.  just need to figure out why those unit's can't snap install.
[19:23] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: i typically deploy to clouds or localhost (lxd).  not much experience with maas.
[19:24] <jamesbenson> well this is in an openstack VM, so not with maas...
[19:24] <kwmonroe> ah, right
[19:25] <jamesbenson> I know I can deploy using openstack magnum, but want to do it manually...
[19:25] <kwmonroe> well jamesbenson, from what i can tell, apt install works and wget works, so it's not like your units are totally locked down.  i'm not sure what's causing snap install to fail.
[19:25] <jamesbenson> error: cannot install "foo": snap "core" has changes in progress
[19:26] <kwmonroe> silly rabbit, dont' actually stick 'foo' in there
[19:26] <jamesbenson> :-p
[19:26] <jamesbenson> hey, didn't know if it was a test option ;-)
[19:27] <jamesbenson> ansible ping/pong test ...
[19:27] <kwmonroe> :)
[19:27] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: what does snap changes show?
[19:27] <kwmonroe> "snap changes"
[19:27] <kwmonroe> i'm guessing it's stuck somewhere trying to download the core snap
[19:27] <jamesbenson> http://paste.openstack.org/show/626550/
[19:28] <jamesbenson> you'll like that..
[19:28] <kwmonroe> heh, classy
[19:29] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: how about a "snap download etcd"?
[19:30] <kwmonroe> we should see the tls error.. just making sure.
[19:31] <magicaltrout> "Hello Kubernetes support desk, Kevin speaking, how may I help you today???"
[19:31] <kwmonroe> phew!  backup arrives.  magicaltrout, meet jamesbenson.  he's having trouble snap installing k8s.
[19:31] <jamesbenson> yep, tls error
[19:31] <magicaltrout> i have many k8s installations
[19:31] <magicaltrout> too many
[19:32] <kwmonroe> magicaltrout: any on openstack?
[19:32] <magicaltrout> sorta
[19:32] <magicaltrout> its manual though not openstack cloud provider
[19:33] <jamesbenson> magicaltrout: I've got a ubuntu 16 LTS, VM sitting in openstack.  Security group is completely open.  No iptables rules...
[19:34] <jamesbenson> 8 vCPU, 16GB RAM, 160 GB HD;  deployed using these commands:  http://paste.openstack.org/show/626536/
[19:37] <jamesbenson> can't seem to install though, giving me tls errors.
[19:41] <magicaltrout> okay, jamesbenson your cluster lives inside lxd on nodes on openstack?
[19:42] <jamesbenson> yes
[19:42] <jamesbenson> VM in openstack, lxd on that VM.
[19:42] <magicaltrout> hmm i've not tried that before
[19:42] <magicaltrout> if you snap install at vm level does it work?
[19:42] <jamesbenson> yeah, did that to install conjure-up
[19:42] <jamesbenson> and lxd
[19:45] <magicaltrout> hmm
[19:47] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: it feels like something about your lxd-bridge is interferring with fetching data from the snap store, but i can't fathom a reason why it would affect snap and not apt or wget.
[19:49] <R_P_S> I am having difficulties adding subnets to spaces to ensure instances are deployed in the correct VPC/AZ
[19:49] <R_P_S> I get an error "cannot add subnet: no subnets defined" while running
[19:50] <R_P_S> juju add-subnet <IP_ADDRESS>/5 public subnet-12345678
[19:52] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe, magicaltrout: do you have general guidelines/rules/instructions on how you set up lxd, zfs, and the network?
[19:53] <jamesbenson> ipv6 is disabled...
[19:53] <jamesbenson> but I wasn't sure about the bridge
[19:53] <magicaltrout> i've only installed k8s with conjure up on lxd once
[19:53] <magicaltrout> i just did whatever it told me
[19:53] <jamesbenson> how do you typically install it?
[19:54] <magicaltrout> i have 1 standard aws install and 3 openstack manual provider installs
[19:54] <jamesbenson> I'm doing lxd to do some dev with multiple "nodes" in an all in one...
[19:55] <jamesbenson> openstack with magnum?
[19:55] <magicaltrout> nope
[19:55] <jamesbenson> manual?
[19:55] <magicaltrout> yeah just spin up some nodes
[19:55] <magicaltrout> and deploy some stuff to them
[19:55] <jamesbenson> using which method?
[19:56] <magicaltrout> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.2/clouds-manual
[19:56] <magicaltrout> just like a small 3 node cluster for k8s dev
[19:57] <stokachu> jamesbenson: how's your lxd bridge configured
[19:57] <jamesbenson> stokachu: any command to detail it?
[19:58] <stokachu> jamesbenson: lxc network show lxdbr0
[19:59] <stokachu> jamesbenson: easiset to do `lxc network show lxdbr0|pastebinit`
[19:59] <jamesbenson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25976235/
[19:59] <stokachu> do you have another bridge defined?
[19:59] <jamesbenson> no idea about the pastebinit... awesome..
[20:00] <stokachu> jamesbenson: whats `lxc network list|pastebinit` show
[20:00] <jamesbenson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25976248/
[20:01] <jamesbenson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25976252/
[20:01] <stokachu> jamesbenson: yea youve got no bridge defined for lxd to use
[20:02] <jamesbenson> okay...
[20:02] <stokachu> jamesbenson: how'd you create lxdbr0 before?
[20:02] <jamesbenson> sudo lxd init --auto
[20:03] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: fwiw, we have a generic lxd guide:  https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/tut-lxd.  might be worth following that and bootstrap on a new node, then "juju deploy ubuntu", then "juju ssh ubuntu/0" and see if a "sudo snap install core" works.
[20:03] <stokachu> kwmonroe: it's his bridge
[20:03] <stokachu> it isn't configured
[20:03] <jamesbenson> BRB
[20:04] <jamesbenson> could you send me a few commands?
[20:04] <stokachu> jamesbenson: `lxc profile show default|pastebinit`
[20:05] <R_P_S> bdx / rick_h: any ideas why add-subnet is not working and complaining about subnets not being defined?
[20:05] <kwmonroe> stokachu: if the bridge was borked, how did he get this far with kubeapi-load-balancer going active: https://snag.gy/nT0LPv.jpg
[20:06] <kwmonroe> (and easyrsa)
[20:06] <stokachu> well for one, his lxd bridge is inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:06] <stokachu> and those ip's are different
[20:06] <jamesbenson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25976291/
[20:07] <stokachu> kwmonroe: also thats not output from conjure-up
[20:07] <stokachu> so i dont know what he did there
[20:08] <stokachu> jamesbenson: basically your lxd network bridge is acting up
[20:08] <stokachu> jamesbenson: i recommend tearing down that setup
[20:09] <stokachu> jamesbenson: juju kill-controller localhost-localhost
[20:09] <jamesbenson> okay
[20:09] <jamesbenson> and how do I bring it back up?
[20:09] <stokachu> then delete that lxdbr0 bridge
[20:09] <stokachu> one sec
[20:09] <jamesbenson> ok
[20:09] <jamesbenson> thanks 🙏
[20:09] <stokachu> jamesbenson: then do `sudo brctl delbr lxdbr0`
[20:11] <stokachu> jamesbenson: let me know when you've done that, and give output of `ip addr|pastebinit`
[21:01] <R_P_S> so I just discovered that by creating a new model, the subnets aren't populated...
[21:02] <R_P_S> the subnet info is available in the controller and default models, but I want to build a model for each environment
[21:02] <R_P_S> how do I populate... or copy the subnet info from one model to the other?
[21:07] <R_P_S> juju switch default && juju list-subnets -> full subnet output
[21:07] <R_P_S> juju switch dev-k8s && juju list-subnets -> No subnets to display
[21:20] <kwmonroe> R_P_S: does 'juju reload-spaces' while in the dev-k8s model do anything?
[21:21] <kwmonroe> R_P_S: on aws, all new models look populated with subnets for me.
[21:24] <R_P_S> reload-spaces appears to not do anything
[21:25] <R_P_S> hold on
[21:26] <R_P_S> would reload-spaces be dependent on a vpc-id being specified in the model-config?
[21:30] <jamesbenson> stokachu: I think it's easier to reset the VM and start from scratch, no?
[21:30] <stokachu> jamesbenson: probably
[21:34] <jamesbenson> stokachu: So it's rebuilt.
[21:34] <stokachu> ok so do this, `sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-lxc/stable`
[21:34] <stokachu> `sudo apt update && sudo apt install lxd lxd-client`
[21:35] <stokachu> then `lxd init --auto` (no sudo)
[21:35] <stokachu> then `lxc network create lxdbr0 ipv4.address=auto ipv4.nat=true ipv6.address=none ipv6.nat=false`
[21:35] <stokachu> then `snap install conjure-up --classic`
[21:35] <stokachu> and run conjure-up
[21:38] <jamesbenson> snap needs sudi
[21:38] <jamesbenson> sudo
[21:39] <jamesbenson> running conjure-up
[21:40] <R_P_S> ok, turns out you can't just add a VPC to a model after the fact (got errors), as the VPC parameters need to be specified during model creation with --config
[21:41] <jamesbenson> stokachu:  oooo something different is happening... getting a good feeling ^_^
[21:41] <stokachu> jamesbenson: \o/
[21:42] <jamesbenson> what's the watch command again?
[21:43] <jamesbenson> got it
[21:50] <R_P_S> ok, now I'm straight up running into this bug :(  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1704876
[21:50] <mup> Bug #1704876: can't deploy to specific AWS subnets due to `juju add-subnet` fails <add-subnet> <aws> <conjure> <spaces> <subnet> <vpc> <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1704876>
[21:59] <R_P_S> how do you delete a space in a model?
[21:59] <hml> spaces can’t be deleted currently.  :-(
[21:59] <R_P_S> ...
[22:00] <R_P_S> are spaces completely broken? :(  can't delete, can't add subnets to a space... can't do anything with them?  yet they're core to defining where things will be deployed?
[22:01] <hml> i never use spaces personally - there are other ways to define how things are deployed
[22:01] <hml> depends on the cloud you’ve bootstrapped
[22:01] <R_P_S> I'm following: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/02/08/automate-the-deployment-of-kubernetes-in-existing-aws-infrastructure/
[22:02] <R_P_S> how would I rewrite this command then to not use spaces?
[22:02] <R_P_S> juju deploy --constraints "instance-type=m3.medium spaces=private" cs:~containers/etcd-23
[22:03] <hml> ah…
[22:03] <hml> you can just make a space with a different name to use - suboptimal i know -
[22:04] <R_P_S> the only things I've done different so far are that I'm not using cloudformation (infrastructure preexisting) and creating a model
[22:04] <R_P_S> But how do I use empty spaces?
[22:04] <R_P_S> since I can't add-subnet to a space?
[22:04] <jamesbenson> stokachu : etcd/0 Missing relation to certificate authority.
[22:05] <jamesbenson> https://snag.gy/5ED6sa.jpg
[22:05] <jamesbenson> ah, my nginx just became active....
[22:08] <R_P_S> so apparently you need to define your subnets when calling add-space...
[22:09] <R_P_S> do it once, don't screw it up... and if you ever accidentally re-assign a subnet to a different space, you're screwed?
[22:14] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe stokachu : thoughts?  seems like having a similiar issue like before.  the bridge is managed now though
[22:16] <stokachu> If there is no error in juju status then give it time
[22:17] <jamesbenson> error hook failed: "install" ?
[22:17] <jamesbenson> for all etcd
[22:17] <jamesbenson> but keeps on restarting...
[22:17] <stokachu> Is this a full VM you're running?
[22:17] <jamesbenson> full?  yes, ubuntu server cloud image...
[22:18] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: juju debug-log --replay -i etcd/0
[22:18] <kwmonroe> let's see if it's still a problem snap installing
[22:18] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: alternatively, juju ssh etcd/0 and try a "sudo snap install etcd"
[22:18] <jamesbenson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25976912/
[22:19] <kwmonroe> instant regret on the --replay ;)
[22:19] <kwmonroe> please hold while your pastebin loads into ram
[22:20] <jamesbenson> :-(
[22:20] <stokachu> Looks like a timeout downloading the snaps
[22:20] <jamesbenson> yeah
[22:20] <jamesbenson> should I try the `sudo snap download etcd`
[22:20] <stokachu> sudo snap install etcd
[22:21] <jamesbenson> tried inside of etcd and got the TLS handshake timeout error
[22:21] <kwmonroe> R_P_S: while i'm waiting on jamesbenson to crash my browser, what's your end game here?  i'm really not well versed with spaces/subnets, but i'm curious what people are up to when they have strict space reqs. i know bdx does these space constraints all the time -- i never knew why.
[22:21] <stokachu> Yea, not a conjure-up or juju issue
[22:21] <stokachu> But an issue nonetheless
[22:22] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: sorry!
[22:22] <stokachu> Are you behind proxies?
[22:22] <jamesbenson> stokachu: no
[22:22] <kwmonroe> no worries jamesbenson -- it's ammo for getting a new rig for the holidays ;)
[22:23] <stokachu> jamesbenson: may want to post on discuss.snapcraft.io
[22:23] <jamesbenson> ooo, nice :-) 👍. I'm running MBP with touchbar...
[22:24] <R_P_S> kwmonroe: simple management of VPCs and subnets.  Without this, some of the anti-patterns that juju enables is mind boggling... things like <IP_ADDRESS>/0 SSH ACLs on every instance
[22:24] <kwmonroe> you happy with the touchbar jamesbenson?  i hear mixed reviews (kinda like battlefront 2), where by "mixed" i hear "i hate it" ;)
[22:25] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: i see we're back to the tls handshake timeout :/
[22:25] <jamesbenson> lol... it's okay... I do need to reset it though, really random hangs and freezes as of late... circle of death for like 10-20 seconds then free's up.
[22:25] <jamesbenson> does snapcraft have an IRC?
[22:26] <kwmonroe> oof on the death spiral
[22:26] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: you'll get much better response from snapcraft.io, but there is a #snappy freenode channel
[22:26] <R_P_S> kwmonroe: at that point, the only way to secure them is to control your subnets with things like public and private... these are very basic security concepts when building AWS infrastructure.
[22:26] <jamesbenson> but I hack the hell out of it, so I probably fugged something somewhere...
[22:27] <jamesbenson> back to point though
[22:27] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: i shouldn't say "much better", but i know those forums are monitored like crazy.  irc, i'm not sure.
[22:27] <jamesbenson> okay
[22:28] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: https://forum.snapcraft.io/ is the place
[22:28] <kwmonroe> dont go there ^^ from your etcd/0 unit because you'll probably get a tls handshake error.
[22:29] <R_P_S> kwmonroe: the fact that conjure-up for a kubernetes cluster uses ec2-classic by default is, to be brutally honest, downright scary :(  ec2-classic was deprecated years ago, and should never be used again
[22:30] <R_P_S> damn, I gotta run to meetings... I'll likely be in meetings until EOD...
[22:30] <R_P_S> once again, thanks for all the help, I am making progress, but it is much slower than I'd hoped
[22:30] <kwmonroe> R_P_S: thx for the insights on your use of subnets/spaces!
[22:31] <kwmonroe> i'll catch up with you later to dive in more
[22:31] <stokachu> Lol ec2-classic?
[22:32] <kwmonroe> yeah - i dunno what ec2-classic is either, that was the diving part i alluded to ;)
[22:33] <stokachu> R_P_S: feel free to elaborate on ec2-classic
[22:36] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe: ha, thanks.  Not sure exactly what to post to them..  I suppose just snap is failing in openstack VM with that massive pastebin from earlier..
[22:37] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: like you said, back to the point, if you can't "sudo snap install etcd" from the deployed unit, juju won't be able to either.  so step 1 is to figure out why that's failing.  you're probably going to hear 1000 people ask "what are your proxy settings", don't be mad.  whatever's going on is probably a mix of openstack / lxd / snap.
[22:38] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: i would just create a new topic that says "snap install fails in a lxd container on an openstack VM"
[22:41] <kwmonroe> jamesbenson: and the pastebin is good -- but since it has so much juju noise in it, i'd paste the failure that you see from "sudo snap install core" on the etcd unit.
[22:47] <tvansteenburgh> stokachu: kwmonroe: ec2-classic == ec2 in the days before vpcs were introduced. if you have a sufficiently old aws account, the machines juju provisions will not be in a vpc, which can break things in unexpected ways. the way to get around this is to tell juju which vpc to use. you can do that using bootstrap or model config.
[22:55] <jamesbenson> kwmonroe : Posted... lets see what happens.
[22:55] <kwmonroe> i predict nothing but good things jamesbenson ;)
[23:15] <R_P_S> ec2-classic is amazon ec2 before VPCs existed... IIRC, it's not even accessible on accounts that were created in the past few years
[23:16] <R_P_S> ec2-classic was the equivalent of one giant public VPC that contained every amazon customer all in one giant internal subnet (split per region)
[23:17] <R_P_S> ec2-classic didn't have as many features as "ec2-vpc" either.  examples include: the SG couldn't be changed, and could only have one SG attached to an instance.
[23:18] <R_P_S> ec2-classic SGs don't have egress ACLs.   I can't remember everything though, it's been years since I've done any significant amount of work in ec2-classic.
[23:19] <R_P_S> ec2-classic is inherently insecure compared to ec2-vpc
[23:21] <tvansteenburgh> R_P_S: you can make conjure-up use a vpc, but you need to bootstrap the juju controller or create the model before using conjure-up, then tell conjure-up to use that controller or model
[23:21] <tvansteenburgh> for example: juju bootstrap --config "vpc-id=vpc-xxxxxxxx"
[23:22] <tvansteenburgh> or: juju add-model --config "vpc-id=vpc-xxxxxxxx"
[23:23] <R_P_S> at this point, I have my ha controllers in the VPC i want... kwmonroe was curious about ec2-classic though
[23:26] <R_P_S> at the fact that the AWS account I'm using appears to be old enough to still support ec2-classic meant that a basic/barebones conjure-up created a kubernetes cluster in ec2-classic instead of inside a VPC