[01:02] <ahoneybun> has anyone looked at https://asteroidos.org/ ?
[01:03] <ahoneybun> smartwatch os based on Qt5 and QML?
[05:16] <santu> hi
[06:11] <cc> hi
[06:12] <cc> is there any good idea for using ubuntu phone?i'm now using MeiZu Pro5 Ubuntu phone
[06:12] <cc> but i know little about it
[08:44] <black_puppydog> hey all. I just flashed the my hammerhead with the latest devel_rc-proposed. I got an "unlock sim" on first  boot but never since. now it's just "no sim card detected" and thus no mobile network. is that a known issue? /cc mariogrip
[08:50] <duflu> black_puppydog: There are open issues I think with the network indicator (or related code) crashing, that makes some options unavailable.
[08:50] <duflu> Like https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1607079
[09:01] <javier4_> my tree builds aosp but fails on Ubuntu. It doesn't find /vendor rules correctly inherited by my device.mk. How could I debug the problem?
[09:37] <black_puppydog> duflu: but the sim unlock should happen on boot, no? or is that just the network-indicator popping up when loading?
[09:37] <duflu> black_puppydog: I don't know. I just see patterns in the bug reports :)
[09:44] <black_puppydog> duflu: okay thanks. guess I'll try this more tonight, maybe revert to stable if I don't manage to get it working :)
[09:47] <ogra_> black_puppydog, dont use devel, thats yakkety ...
[09:48] <ogra_> either use the normal rc-proposed channel (thats active development) or a xenial build (though i'm not sure how well that works yet)
[09:50] <black_puppydog> ogra_: thanks for the tip. I was actually unsure what each channel is exactly :)
[09:50] <black_puppydog> good thing I know now, before doing too much stuff, I can still wipe+reflash :)
[10:17] <kaisoz> Hi there!
[11:22] <zaolin> Hey. Where can I document bugs and misbehaviour for ubuntu-touch ?
[11:26] <popey> zaolin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[11:30] <zaolin> okay, thanks
[12:01] <black_puppydog> ogra_: on first boot with rc-devel, sim works fine. managed to sign into appstore, but then (as also with proposed) the store freezes and cannot be force-quit. it works after rebooting though, including mobile data. :)
[12:07] <black_puppydog> on the other hand, nearly all of the apps (telegram, calculator, weather, browser, ...) just fail to launch... :/
[12:07] <black_puppydog> this is weird, a month ago hammerhead was really usable. what happened in the meantime?
[12:41] <kaisoz> Hi there
[13:13] <black_puppydog> any way I can specify a specific version number for ubuntu-device-flash? and if so, which one would be best for hammerhead?
[13:14] <dobey> yes you can, and the latest in either stable or rc-proposed would be the best for that device, i think
[13:15] <black_puppydog> dobey: thing is, in stable I got a version that seemed to be before last month's epic update which fixed a critical bug that prevented sharing or picking *anything* which made the device pretty useless
[13:17] <black_puppydog> and rc-proposed (not devel) I had the problem described above. I can deal with shaky booting, but I *do* need mobile data and apps that actually start. that wasn't a problem in the middle of july...
[13:17] <dobey> i don't know
[13:18] <black_puppydog> no problem :) maybe mariogrip can comment if he finds the time. I'll check back on this later...
[13:32] <chrisccoulson> With https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723, I can use QSystemInfo to enumerate input devices from Oxide inside confined apps, right?
[13:44] <dobey> Mirv: ^^
[13:59] <Mirv> chrisccoulson: dobey: from within confined apps would need https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1723 landing which is pending on UITK implementing a branch to use it
[13:59] <Mirv> you could ask bzoltan if he can get that landed for OTA-13 still. the qtsystems part is ready.
[14:00] <Mirv> chrisccoulson: but yes when that lands, you can
[14:00] <Mirv> chrisccoulson: since it uses the Mir API to get the input devices
[14:11] <chrisccoulson> Mirv, excellent, thanks
[14:12] <brunch875> My youtube scope doesn't work. Am I the only one with this situation?
[14:12] <brunch875> Videos aggregator won't load it either
[14:21] <mhall119> mariogrip: hey, can you help out this guy who's trying to get started with porting? http://askubuntu.com/questions/808669/im-using-phalbet-dev-bootstrap-to-download-ubuntu-touch-sources-and-it-is-giv
[14:22] <mhall119> probably the tools he's using are broken, so if you have alternatives that you know will work, just point him to them
[14:24] <popey> he was here earlier, the server was down, it's fixed now
[14:25] <javier4_> Guys, I generated a working AOSP source tree, that builds and boots quite correctly. If I use device/, vendor/ and hardware/ to build Ubuntu, compilation fails. I noticed that my original tree has some files customized by MediaTek inside its build/ subdirectory. Should I substitute them to the ones shipped by Phablet?
[14:25] <mhall119> popey: oh, is that all it was?
[14:25] <popey> yes
[14:25] <mhall119> ah, cool, thanks
[14:25] <popey> np
[15:21] <john-mcaleely> ganeshi4u, I have that branch for you.
[15:22] <john-mcaleely> ganeshi4u, so, for an android 5.1 based device like yours, use: personal/w-ondra/phablet-5.1.1_r36
[15:22] <john-mcaleely> and w-ondra is ondra on this channel ;-)
[15:22] <john-mcaleely> ganeshi4u, ^
[15:25] <ondra> ganeshi4u I'm now pushing those out of my personal, so soon you could use just phablet-5.1.1_r36
[15:25] <john-mcaleely> nice
[15:29] <john-mcaleely> popey, ^ fyi
[15:32] <ganeshi4u> john-mcaleely: thanks 😃
[15:34] <john-mcaleely> yw
[16:01] <popey> john-mcaleely: thanks
[16:08] <jarlath> Wohoo!! Running irssi from Ubuntu phone using Libetine :) Goodbye raspberry pi - I think.
[16:34] <jarlath> clear
[16:49] <ondra> @all just push phablet-5.1.1 branch from personal to main, you can now sync code with repo init -u ssh://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com:29418/aosp/platform/manifest -b phablet-5.1.1_r36
[16:50] <dobey> jarlath: well, cool that it works, but you'll still suffer from the lifecycle constraints :)
[17:02] <jarlath> dobey: true. But so far, so good. I'm listening to Podbird with the screen locked and the phone but the ssh connection/irssi are still running.
[19:21] <Laney> morphis: BTW, I uploaded libhybris a couple of times to yakkety (looks like you are the maintainer) - you might want to grab those fixes or not. Sorry for not going through the official channels but it was blocking other stuff.
[19:26] <morphis> Laney: ah!
[19:26] <morphis> Laney: can you submit a PR against https://code.launchpad.net/~libhybris-maintainers/libhybris/+git/libhybris/+ref/master with those fixes?
[19:27] <Laney> morphis: sure, will do tomorrow
[19:28] <morphis> Laney: thanks!
[21:31] <anom> Hai
[21:31] <anom> which is the best phone for connecting to a monitor/keyboard/mouse?


[04:21] <mup> Bug #1928621 opened: Add docs link to LXD server errors <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928621>
[04:27] <mup> Bug #1928623 opened: Applying storage layout does not always work for Allocated machines <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928623>
[04:42] <mup> Bug #1928623 changed: Applying storage layout does not always work for Allocated machines <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928623>
[04:45] <mup> Bug #1928623 opened: Applying storage layout does not always work for Allocated machines <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928623>
[04:48] <mup> Bug #1928623 changed: Applying storage layout does not always work for Allocated machines <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928623>
[04:51] <mup> Bug #1928623 opened: Applying storage layout does not always work for Allocated machines <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928623>
[10:52] <mup> Bug #1927667 changed: NUMA node information on machine/network page is incorrect <MAAS:Invalid by ack> <MAAS 2.9:In Progress by ack> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1927667>
[14:46] <mup> Bug #1928688 opened: Some BMCs impose maximum allowed password changes, which MAAS violates <hwcert-server> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928688>
[14:49] <mup> Bug #1928688 changed: Some BMCs impose maximum allowed password changes, which MAAS violates <hwcert-server> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928688>
[14:52] <mup> Bug #1928688 opened: Some BMCs impose maximum allowed password changes, which MAAS violates <hwcert-server> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1928688>


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[18:21] <xtify> hey guys
[18:21] <xtify> looking for direction with getting started with ubunut qa


[07:26] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[08:03] <Kilos> morning ongolaBoy
[08:08] <elacheche> Hello africa, yes Kilos bedis is my brother
[08:08] <Kilos> hi there elacheche
[08:19] <Kilos> morning arnaudmez
[09:18] <Kilos> hi Neo31
[09:20] <Neo31> hi there
[09:37] <Kilos> cyrilb  hi there, are you involved
[09:37] <Kilos> http://hacklog.in/gearing-up-for-the-developers-conference/
[09:38] <cyrilb> hi
[09:38] <cyrilb> I'll probably be there
[09:39] <Kilos> do me a favour please and tell those ubuntu guys about this channel and the project to connect all of africa
[09:39] <Kilos> i could use some help cyrilb
[09:41] <Kilos> still got 10 of the 18 countries to get to here
[09:47] <cyrilb> sure
[09:47] <Kilos> ty
[09:48] <cyrilb> please come to #linux.mu
[09:48] <cyrilb> and tell people there
[09:48] <Kilos> ok
[09:48] <cyrilb> and also join the http://lugm.org/ mailing lists
[09:49] <Kilos> whew i have joined so many things recently my head is spinning but im on the irc channel now
[14:25] <superfly> Kilos: I've removed your commits from trunk
[14:25] <superfly> Kilos: please don't commit anything to trunk
[14:25] <Kilos> ok ty superfly
[14:28] <superfly> inetpro: ^^
[14:30] <superfly> inetpro: you'll need to redo your branch
[18:34] <inetpro> superfly: I'll look at it now, ty
[20:28] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[20:28] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-africa
[20:30] <Mopkop> Hello all!
[20:35] <Kilos> elacheche  is bedis up tonight?
[20:44] <Kilos> you need to get him to join us here as well hey


[02:13] <deco> id like to learn more about process score / initializing a looped startup service that supposed to fall back on sub process. will this process take any amount of time while taking above normal system resources.
[02:16] <sarnold> can you rephrase your question?
[02:25] <deco> i am editing the conf of a blockchain app. and handled the change with restart in systemCTL. now my journal shows the process fail to load with advanced messages
[02:30] <sarnold> aha; so, if I've understand correctly, you're worried about how much system overhead there might be in trying to restart a service over and over again?
[02:31] <sarnold> systemd itself doesn't add much, but it does log every single attempt, and if it can try ten times a second, that might be a lot of logs; or, if the program burns a lot of cpu or disk when starting, that can also burn a lot of resources
[02:37] <deco> how does a service fall back too its state in the system and how long does it take?. the loop the service is taking some time and resource on start up.
[02:39] <sarnold> that depends upon the service; some programs can fail very quickly, and systemd might try ten times a second; others can take a while to fail, and systemd might try every ten seconds
[02:40] <sarnold> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.service.html#RestartSec=  there's a dozen settings here are the relevant, I think this one might be the one you're most interested in
[07:36] <Alexey_> Biden, Diana, send Australia the fuck, they're fucking there, they're just sitting in paradise
[07:39] <Alexey_> Biden is the last white president in the US. 拜登是美国最后一位白人总统。
[07:43] <oerheks> !ot | Alexey_
[07:43] <oerheks> dude, read channel topic before you start to barf
[11:33] <Alexey_> Downstronzing complite....
[11:35] <Alexey_> 🐧🔫
[16:21] <dd_rescue> hello. I am trying to recover a luks encrypted harddrive
[16:21] <dd_rescue> i have made a disk.image and partition.image backups via dd
[16:21] <dd_rescue> now I am trying to mount it as an image file.
[16:22] <dd_rescue> lvdisplay shows it as   "LV Path                /dev/vgkubuntu/root"
[16:22] <dd_rescue> LV status shows as not  available
[16:26] <dd_rescue> My problem is that the vg device is not being created
[17:06] <tomreyn> dd_rescue: lvmdiskscan or lvchange -ay may be needed
[17:07] <tomreyn> from your description it's not entirely clear which layers there and which ones you have already unlocked, though
[17:07] <tomreyn> also why you created both a full disk and partition images is unclear
[17:25] <dd_rescue> tomreyn: trying with both options - i only able to get partial disk
[17:25] <dd_rescue> i'm*
[17:30] <tomreyn> so provide more details
[17:30] <tomreyn> that's if you seek help with it
[17:47] <dd_rescue> I am resorting to nuclear option.. scraping the whatever little filesystem i got
[17:47] <dd_rescue> using photorec/testdisk
[17:50] <dd_rescue> i have found the signarue of the file, now just need a way to get it extracted
[17:56] <tomreyn> you could mount the file system and copy it
[18:13] <dd_rescue> tomreyn: the system is not mounting
[18:13] <dd_rescue> or rather - the volume
[18:14] <dd_rescue>   /dev/mapper/newhd [       7.68 GiB] LVM physical volume
[18:14] <dd_rescue> thats 7/500GB rescued
[19:38] <zoltix[m]> in this case I used https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec_FR it's magic
[19:39] <zoltix[m]> in English https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec


[01:34] <iltomee> jrib: hi
[01:34] <jrib> hi
[01:35] <jrib> alirght, when I surround words in '' it means it is a command to enter into your terminal, for example, try 'sudo apt-get install libc6-dev'
[01:35] <jrib> pastebin any results that are longer than a few lines
[01:35] <iltomee> allright
[01:36] <jrib> actually, before that run 'sudo apt-get update' just to be sure
[01:37] <iltomee> updated, just a sec
[01:38] <iltomee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36988/
[01:38] <iltomee> heres the output
[01:39] <jrib> apt-cache policy libc6
[01:39] <jrib> erm, that's a command, I forgot the '' :)
[01:39] <jrib> !info libc6 dapper
[01:39] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data. In component main, is required. Version 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 (dapper), package size 4480 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[01:40] <iltomee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36990/
[01:40] <jrib> ok
[01:40] <jrib> notice that package has a version higher than what is in dapper
[01:40] <jrib> !info libc6 edgy
[01:40] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.4-1ubuntu12 (edgy), package size 4032 kB, installed size 9988 kB
[01:40] <jrib> you have the edgy version
[01:41] <iltomee> ok, yeah... i see
[01:41] <jrib> did you ever have edgy repositories in your sources.list?
[01:41] <iltomee> i cannot say for sure, but since i was messing aroung with my source.list file, it might have happened
[01:42] <jrib> well we can downgrade that one package, but we would not be sure if there are more that might cause problems for you later
[01:42] <iltomee> :( i am a bad user :)
[01:42] <jrib> another alternative would be to try to upgrade to edgy
[01:43] <jrib> it's up to you what you want to try
[01:43] <iltomee> all right, it would be horrible 4 me, if i couldnt use ubuntu, since i am in middle of exams, at university, is upgrading a "dangerous" thing to do?
[01:44] <jrib> I would wait until after exams, and backup your data beforehand
[01:45] <iltomee> okay, so then how is downgrading done?
[01:45] <jrib> it usually works if you stick to official repositories, but if you start using outside repositories it may have a problem
[01:46] <iltomee> tell me about it :(
[01:46] <jrib> If I had to guess I would say the upgrade will work for you if all you did was have edgy repos for a while, but since you are in exams, it's probably safer to make sure you don't have to waste a couple of hours reinstalling
[01:47] <jrib> iltomee: sudo apt-get -s install libc6=2.3.6-0ubuntu20
[01:47] <jrib> that won't do anything, it will just tell you what it would do
[01:47] <jrib> -s means simulate
[01:49] <iltomee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36992/
[01:49] <iltomee> so it would mess up open office right?
[01:49] <iltomee> since now it dipends on that package we want to downgrade
[01:50] <jrib> weird
[01:50] <iltomee> ? is it ?
[01:50] <jrib> apt-cache policy openoffice.org-l10n-en-us openoffice.org-common language-support-en
[01:52] <iltomee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36993/
[01:53] <iltomee> what does this mean?
[01:54] <jrib> it means I'd wait until after exams
[01:55] <iltomee> :) and then upgrade to edgy
[01:55] <jrib> yeah
[01:55] <iltomee> ?
[01:55] <jrib> just backup your /home
[01:55] <iltomee> ok, thx a lot... all right i will...
[01:55] <jrib> that way all your settings and stuff will be saved "in case"
[01:55] <jrib> !upgrade | iltomee
[01:55] <ubotu> iltomee: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:56] <iltomee> right
[01:56] <iltomee> thx a lot!! have a good one, see u around :)
[01:56] <jrib> cya, gl on your exams
[01:56] <iltomee> thx
[04:29] <CyD__> Hello ubuntu wolrd :)
[05:27] <PuRu> jrib, hello
[05:28] <jrib> PuRu: hi
[05:31] <PuRu> jrib: sorry i didnt see the answer until now
[05:31] <PuRu> you helped me out with my nvidia drivers a few days ago remember?
[05:32] <jrib> yep, were you able to resolve the issue?
[05:33] <PuRu> nope
[05:34] <PuRu> i'm reinstalling again and asking help in #ubuntu-nl (in my home language)
[05:34] <PuRu> do you remember the comand that showed that my version was incorrect?
[05:34] <PuRu> (and do you by any chance still have my pastebin url's from back then?)
[05:34] <jrib> ok, try the mailing list or forums too, someone may have gone through that
[05:34] <jrib> I can grab them from my logs, one sec
[05:35] <PuRu> would be nice
[05:35] <PuRu> i posted them with ubuntu so i cant resolve them because i'm reinstalling
[05:35] <PuRu> thzen i can allready show them to those guys
[05:35] <PuRu> then they can look though them while i'm reinstalling
[05:36] <PuRu> also: what was the command that showed the different versions please?
[05:36] <jrib> 17:40 <          PuRu_ > http://paste.uni.cc/12138
[05:36] <jrib> 17:47 <          PuRu_ > http://paste.uni.cc/12139
[05:36] <jrib> 17:52 <          PuRu_ > http://paste.uni.cc/12141
[05:36] <jrib> 21:08 <           PuRu > http://paste.uni.cc/12144
[05:36] <jrib> 21:09 <           PuRu > xorg.conf : http://paste.uni.cc/12145
[05:36] <jrib> 21:15 <           PuRu > results: http://paste.uni.cc/12146
[05:36] <PuRu> thanx :D
[05:36] <jrib> PuRu: apt-cache policy package_name
[05:37] <PuRu> thanx
[05:39] <PuRu> now they can read it all trough
[05:39] <nothlit> Why does he have so many pastebins?
[05:39] <PuRu> if u come up with something, let me know
[05:39] <jrib> k
[05:40] <jrib> nothlit: mostly because we couldn't figure out what was going on
[05:40] <jrib> s/couldn't/can't
[05:40] <PuRu> (not that u didnt help me good or anything, but they can help me in dutch so i'm gonna try there too)
[05:40] <nothlit> Does #nvidia have better expertise?
[05:40] <PuRu> didnt go there yet
[05:41] <PuRu> * Now talking in #nvidia
[05:41] <PuRu> * Topic is 'UNOFFICIAL NVIDIA Linux/Solaris/FreeBSD Graphics Driver Support
[05:41] <PuRu> thats the NV driver right?
[05:41] <nothlit> nope
[05:42] <nothlit> look at the url
[05:42] <PuRu> nvidia-glx ?
[05:42] <PuRu> aaaaaah :-)
[05:42] <nothlit> ftp://download.nvidia.com
[05:42] <PuRu> ftp.nvidia.com lol
[05:42] <PuRu> yeah i saw
[05:42] <PuRu> i didnt know nvidia made their own unofficial drivers :p
[05:43] <PuRu> how can it be unofficial then lol
[05:43] <nothlit> no
[05:43] <nothlit> the support is unofficial
[05:43] <nothlit> :P
[05:43] <PuRu> hahaha
[05:43] <PuRu> not enough money to be made with linux :p
[05:44] <nothlit> no, lots of free help with linux :P
[05:46] <PuRu> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[05:46] <PuRu> been banned again at #ubuntu-nl
[05:46] <nothlit> why?
[05:46] <PuRu> for pasting this i got kicked:
 17:40 <          PuRu_ > http://paste.uni.cc/12138
 17:47 <          PuRu_ > http://paste.uni.cc/12139
 17:52 <          PuRu_ > http://paste.uni.cc/12141
 21:08 <           PuRu > http://paste.uni.cc/12144
 21:09 <           PuRu > xorg.conf : http://paste.uni.cc/12145
 21:15 <           PuRu > results: http://paste.uni.cc/12146
[05:46] <nothlit> lol
[05:47] <jrib> ...
[05:47] <nothlit> should have put it all in one line?
[05:47] <PuRu> then i told him: "too bad there are people here that DO really want to help"
[05:47] <PuRu> then o got banned
[05:47] <PuRu> o = i
[05:47] <PuRu> (but i have dynamic ip)
[05:47] <jrib> I thought about doing | grep -o 'http[^ ] *' | tr '\n' ' '   but didn't feel like typing that
[05:48] <PuRu> lol its like 6 lines lol
[05:48] <PuRu> and there are as many people as there are here
[05:48] <PuRu> and nobody talking
[05:48] <PuRu> is there a central point or something that i can e-mail/contact about this, its getting really annoying
[05:49] <PuRu> its not the first time this idiot is doing this
[05:49] <nothlit> !forums
[05:49] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[05:49] <PuRu> i'll keep that in mind if its getting excessive
[05:49] <nothlit> hmm the forums factoid != the forum factoid
[05:50] <PuRu> brb
[05:50] <PuRu> need to recon to my ISP for a new ip :-)
[06:14] <PuRu> jrib: can i annoy you again when reinstall is finished?
[06:14] <PuRu> i left #ubuntu-nl because of those fools
[06:14] <jrib> sure
[06:15] <PuRu> too bad for the people that want to help out in ubuntu-nl
[06:15] <PuRu> brb and thanx in advance
[07:04] <PuRu> jrib: back, i needed to eat first
[07:05] <PuRu> gonna have some delay, we're gonna get a loner car from my oncle (who deals second hand cars)
[07:05] <PuRu> (remember i got a car accident)
[10:36] <TheVault> I need some help
[10:36] <TheVault> Think someone could help me out?
[10:37] <TheVault> ????
[10:38] <TheVault> :(


[18:28] <quadrispro> TheMuso, I'm very happy to have another ubuntu-guy in the team! Please join #debian-multimedia on OFTC
[18:28] <quadrispro> hi persia!
[18:49] <ScottL> i hoping to have an SRU for the ardour mute bug for 10.04.1
[18:49] <ScottL> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ardour/+bug/581786
[18:50] <ScottL> since no one made a patch for the qjackctl renamed port bug it can be handled by backports
[18:51] <ScottL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qjackctl/+bug/490436
[18:52] <ScottL> since the ardour bug includes a malformed configuration file and creates an incorrect configuration file in the user's home directory it needed to be handled via SRU
[18:53] <ScottL> this prevents the incorrect configuration file which really can't be effectively fixed by a patch after installation
[18:53] <ScottL> however the qjackctl bug is easily fixed via update through backports
[18:53] <ScottL> i'll push for a backport next
[18:53] <ScottL> hi troy_s
[18:54] <troy_s> ScottL: Greets.
[18:54] <ScottL> troy_s, i managed to take two videos and alpha one over the other using blender's node editor!
[18:55] <troy_s> ScottL: It's relatively easy stuff once you wrap your head around nodal compositing.
[18:55] <ScottL> troy_s, however, i've noticed that blender seems to drop some frames when compositing and rendering to an .avi file
[18:55] <troy_s> ScottL: It shouldn't.
[18:55] <ScottL> troy_s, oh, the nodal compositing is easy and it makes easy sense to me
[18:55] <troy_s> ScottL: The main thing to note is that Blender _only_ knows frames.
[18:56] <ScottL> troy_s, i had noticed it but expected the frame drop issue to be something i did, however someone (nonKlattu from #oggcastplanet) made a mention of it as well
[18:56] <troy_s> ScottL: So if you have say, 100 frame piece at 29.97 (30/1.001) you will have 100 frames in Blender. The sync will be off if your framerate is set to say, 25/24, etc. (or even a  flat 30)
[18:57] <troy_s> ScottL: Haven't seen it. Don't encode to Ogg Theora here - it's shite.
[18:57] <troy_s> ScottL: Likely the encoder.
[18:57] <ScottL> troy_s, i started with .png files that i created in inkscape...each frame contained a number that incremented and moved across the screen
[18:57] <ScottL> troy_s, i created an .avi from these in VSE in blender
[18:58] <troy_s> ScottL: You can also do what many do which is two pass the whole thing. Work in lossless still images and then encode to the flavour of your choice. Little more hd space, but much versatility and upside.
[18:58] <ScottL> troy_s, then alpha'd over and dumped this to another .avi
[18:58] <ScottL> troy_s, hmmm, didn't know that, i will explore it though :)  thanks for the direction
[18:58] <ScottL> troy_s, oh, a friend of mine is going to help my video this using his HD camera...it's getting interesting :)
[18:59] <troy_s> ScottL: Needless to say, I have yet to see Blender drop frames so it is almost certainly the encoder side of things. Theora isn't really all that up to snuff.
[18:59] <troy_s> ScottL: HD is a misnomer.
[18:59] <troy_s> ScottL: It is like me trying to tell you that a Tango icon will be better if we double the resolution.
[19:00] <troy_s> ScottL: (Which, I'd add, some will try.)
[19:00] <ScottL> troy_s, i rendered using ffmpeg and it worked fine, but created a .dvd file
[19:00] <troy_s> ScottL: That's just the wrapper it denotes. In the encoding settings you can pick which wrapper and what internal codecs you can use.
[19:00] <troy_s> ScottL: There is a bit of a misunderstanding between wrappers and internal codecs, as you likely know.
[19:01] <ScottL> troy_s, i've been informed that HD means a specific resolution (something like 1920 x 1080) and some other stuff that i've written down but haven't mentally assimilated yet
[19:01] <ScottL> troy_s, sorry, having two conversation in two channels...yes, it appears to most certainly be a codec situation
[19:01] <troy_s> ScottL: There is HD and FullHD or TrueHD - 1280x720 in the former and 1920x1080 in the latter. Still a moot point.
[19:02] <ScottL> troy_s, my larger issue with the HD is that since the bar is being raised i'll need to bring up my production a bit ;)
[19:02] <troy_s> ScottL: There have been cameras around for ages that shot HD but they still look like poop regardless of what people try to say. It has to do with receptor size. Basically what you are loosely referring to in your head is cinema - trained up over your 30+(?) years of living and watching movies.
[19:03] <troy_s> ScottL: It's funny, some think that when shooting HD over film. Not many people realize that film is roughly (depending on ISO and a plethora of other details) three times the resolution of HD.
[19:05] <troy_s> ScottL: Anyways, the advent of DSLR motion picture work has brought that cinematic look into reality (with other issues such as skew of course.) It is the first time you can actually shoot cinematic looking things _ever_ - HD or otherwise.
[19:06] <ScottL> troy_s, my friend at work shoots video for weddings and the such, so whatever he has is better than my $350 camcorder ;)
[19:07] <troy_s> ScottL: Quality is a floating bar. The T2i shoots better quality (if we speak in an agreed upon language) than a 4000$ Panasonic HVX200
[19:08] <troy_s> ScottL: The main thing that the video camera of uber-expensive origins fails miserably at is aesthetic of look. The sensor is teeeeeeeeeny. As such, your lenses need to be much much wider to get anything to land on them (basically the projected image needs to be much smaller as it has to land on that sensor.)
[19:09] <troy_s> ScottL: As a result, because we can't bend optics, the optical nature of the wider lenses remains - depth of field that sees far too much - nothing really out of focus.
[19:09] <troy_s> ScottL: And _that_ smashes into your 30+ years of visual reading that you have learnt from the movie theatre.
[19:10] <ScottL> i've read some about DSLR in my Sound on Sound magazine, the prices are coming down a bit, even a Rebel(?) camera and record it
[19:10] <troy_s> ScottL: So while you may not know what the difference between 'film look' and 'video look' is if I asked you, if I showed you would likely be able to spot it in a heartbeat. Soap operas used video cameras for example, as does some lower end television.
[19:10] <troy_s> ScottL: The T2i is an incredible investment for anyone interested in motion picture work.
[19:12] <troy_s> ScottL: http://www.bccamera.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_16&products_id=4401&zenid=uscutliaf8c5e9u1jhigmh6u65
[19:12] <ScottL> troy_s, oh, i've also managed to get a delay in one of the videos starting after the other :) ..so i'm feeling pretty good about what i've learned so far, but of course there will be more hurdles i'm sure
[19:12] <troy_s> ScottL: Just keep hammering stuff together.
[19:12] <troy_s> ScottL: It will get closer and closer to those empty words known as "easier" and "intuitive"
[19:14] <ScottL> troy_s, lol, it is already...the node editor is really simple and understandable to me...just the ignorance of which node i need is hampering me
[19:14] <troy_s> ScottL: Once you get used to Blender, you may want to check out Ramen too.  There is another one stuck in the pipe. Unfortunately another project has jumped ahead of it in the line.
[19:17] <ScottL> troy_s, i was talking to someone in #oggcastplanet (i think) and they said it was too "artsy-fartsy"...i told them, DUH, that was the point!  LOL
[19:18] <ScottL> talking to them about your video, that is
[19:18] <troy_s> ScottL: Well ... that's an accolade. The day that I see things on the same aesthetic level that the ridiculous ftarddom does in our culture will be the day that I will happily lay down.
[19:19] <troy_s> ScottL: Seriously... that's like having someone at McDonalds criticize your food.
[19:19] <ScottL> troy_s, and i suggested to a few people that we could do a compilation album to show off linux based music so that we individually didn't have to do so much work but get a product out there...this might have some legs too :)
[19:19] <troy_s> ScottL: Our culture is busted.
[19:19] <troy_s> ScottL: The main problem is that it is one thing to have the distribution and tools at our disposal. It is another to deliver a bloody product that has emotion and is appealing to a given audience.
[19:20] <ScottL> troy_s, well, they said the liked it and it was impressive
[19:20] <troy_s> ScottL: If it were all easy stuff, people would be doing it everywhere. The monetary cost isn't even a factor - you have huge studios trying to tickle that nerve with bottomless pockets.
[19:22] <troy_s> ScottL: While I was going through Uni I remember very vividly the 'If only I had the...' syndrome. It is though we wrap our failures up in the belief that some external thing was the governor between our ability to deliver something.
[19:23] <troy_s> ScottL: You would need to have a very clear picture of what you want and figure out how to get it. Music wise that is.
[19:23] <troy_s> ScottL: I'm not entirely certain there is a large enough body of work out there to pull the most compelling bits out of it.
[19:23] <ScottL> troy_s, the T2i you linked is the camera that the SoS magazine reviewed :)
[19:24] <ScottL> troy_s, oh i agree with music and the believe that a new piece of gear will make you or your music "better"
[19:24] <troy_s> ScottL: It's the best option for anyone wanting to shoot motion. Deadly affordable and delivers a solid look because of the huge sensor (in terms of motion picture work.) APS-C sized sensors are smaller frames than traditional SLR, but they are identical in width to professional grade motion picture film camers (24mm wide as the film travels vertically)
[19:25] <troy_s> ScottL: It obviously would be near impossible to create an Olympic swimming pool with only a shovel, so I'm not ruling out the particular need for certain bits.
[19:25] <ScottL> troy_s, i've secretly admired tom morello of rage against the machine because he sticks to a pretty small subset of equipment yet is inventive as hell
[19:26] <ScottL> troy_s, also in my last band the singer/rhythm guitarist was deluded about equipment
[19:27] <ScottL> troy_s, both are examples of why i try to stick to my stock equipment and explore myself to be more inventive and creative
[19:28] <troy_s> ScottL: Equipment is a weird thing. I'd hope that the vision always comes first and that the gear is always subservient to that vision. If the gear must come along to serve the vision, so be it. But when the gear leads the vision, there was likely no vision there at all.
[19:28] <troy_s> ScottL: (Unless of course you are communicating precisely on that wavelength perhaps... making a statement as Mr. McLuhan would have said...)
[19:30] <ScottL> troy_s, do you remember which format you rendered out your blender video?
[19:30] <troy_s> ScottL: mpeg4 iirc.
[19:31] <troy_s> ScottL: May have been an x264 pass for YouGoo? Not entirely certain.
[19:31] <troy_s> ScottL: There is some secret mojo you can encode to for YouGoo that doesn't get a full re-encode.
[19:41] <ScottL> troy_s, obviously i need to explore more about rendering options, and i shall
[19:42] <troy_s> ScottL: Don't sweat it too much... just worry about creating the bits. Encoding is another matter.