 Oh @tsimonq2, you're going to love the new slideshows 🙃
 @VikingRedwolf, 😛
[14:28] <teward> tsimonq2 owes me money, he won't have time to enjoy the new slideshows with me bothering him.
[14:28] <teward> Lubuntu has competition in 17.10 now though, with Ubuntu going back to GNOME.
[14:28] <teward> (tested both on my ancient Netbook, they run equally smoothly)
[14:29] <teward> also good morning.
 @teward, I sent you your money...
[14:29] <teward> tsimonq2: since you seem alive
[14:29] <teward> tsimonq2: it's a figure of speech from me, i'm bothering you incessantly today
 :P
[14:29] <teward> tsimonq2: has anyone tested installing the Lubuntu desktop packages from 17.10 via the mini ISO install yet
[14:30] <teward> we noticed a nasty bug in standard Ubuntu where Network Manager doesn't pick up the interfaces it should be managing *as* managed
[14:30] <teward> trying to trace it donw.
 @teward, Not me (but others have said it works)
[14:31] <teward> I'll have to have a go and see if it works proper.  That said, we're also talking nonstandard setup - install from mini.iso, get default-terminal install, install the typical tasksel task via command line
[14:32] <teward> i'm in the middle of a few things so blah


[00:06] <waddlesplash> Riddell: aha, it's NOT a kwin or xorg problem
[00:06] <waddlesplash> Riddell: not sure exactly how to reproduce, but here: 1. open a KDE file dialog 2. right click in the blank space
[00:07] <waddlesplash> result: system hangs until you kill the parent process
[00:07] <waddlesplash> (I SSHd in, killed it, and then all worked again)
[00:07] <waddlesplash> (I had this happen with Qt Creator. Not sure if other apps are affected, I assume so)
[00:10] <waddlesplash> Riddell: also, I can't seem to change to the Oxygen icon theme; I selected it in system settings and restarted but now about 1/4 of my icons are Oxygen, the other 3/4 are still Breeze
[00:10] <waddlesplash> Riddell: and not in some apps either -- e.g. in Dolphin, the back arrow is Oxygen but the forward arrow is Breeze. Network icon is Oxygen, folder icon is Breeze, etc.
[05:29] <jose> Riddell: pong
[06:16] <soee> good morning
[06:59] <Riddell> hi jose, we were wondering if you knew the status of the new kubuntu website
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:38] <Noskcaj> I know kubuntu is meant to work without rebuilds, but can someone install ppa:noskcaj/upower to be sure everything is upower 0.99 compatible?4
[08:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: ping!
[08:57] <Riddell> dh_install: libkf5i18n-dev missing files (usr/lib/*/qt5/mkspecs/modules/*), aborting
[08:57] <Riddell> where's that gone?
[09:18] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: looking
[09:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: I got it
[09:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: got Rishab asking about making a custom distro in the library
[09:19] <Riddell> you able to help?
[09:19] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: are you sure?
[09:20] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: this was in ki18n right>
[09:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: it was using pkg-kde-tools 2 not 3 for some reason
[09:20] <Riddell> yes he's definately asking!
[09:23] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ah, ok
[09:23] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: where's spacetime?
[09:24]  * yofel wonders why he has no dbus upstart session interface on his eeePC @_@
[09:24] <Riddell> "in the library"
[09:24] <Riddell> with a laptop
[09:24] <yofel> does that need an upstart user session?
[09:24] <yofel> (this is plasma 5)
[09:25] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: can you ask him to come up to the 3rd floor
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: plans for lunch?
[09:26] <Riddell> go to a shop and get something quick
[09:26] <Riddell> I've got kf5 and plasma to care abou ttoday
[09:26] <shadeslayer_> mmm
[09:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: he's on his way, what room?
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> cool
[09:30] <shadeslayer_> I found him
[10:13] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: http://paste.kde.org/piy6ovkxk
[10:16] <Riddell> Noskcaj: what' happening with upowre?
[10:16] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ack
[10:18] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: pushed
[10:22] <Noskcaj> Riddell, ubuntu-gnome is trying to push 0.99.1 for 14.10, but that's only happening if all the other flavours are ok with it
[10:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: oh foo make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'lintian', needed by 'post_binary'.  Stop.
[10:22] <Noskcaj> it's pretty unlikely as xubuntu is (understandably) opposed, and mate is having some issues
[10:23] <Riddell> mate? we have mate?
[10:24] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: fix it
[10:24] <shadeslayer_> feeex it
[10:25]  * Riddell makes it sew
[10:28] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/DIFF
[10:28] <Riddell> why is pkg-kde-tools in github?
[10:31] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer_: will we get a new project neon5 iso today?
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> idk
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> akademy and stuff
[10:32] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer_: isn't that automatic? :O
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> what
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> no
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> we build the ISO, then test it
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> and if it's fine, we release it
[10:33] <shadeslayer_> ISO building is largely automated though, yes
[10:33] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer_: can't imagine you do that for daily builds :P
[10:33] <shadeslayer_> we don't
[10:33] <shadeslayer_> pointless waste of time
[10:34] <kdeuser56> shadeslayer_: so whats the point then for doing it with a weekly snapshot?
[10:34] <shadeslayer_> to catch regressions from features introduced last week
[10:34] <shadeslayer_> easier testing stuff
[10:35] <Riddell> kdeuser56: a report gets sent to the plasma devs on what needs fixed
[10:35] <kdeuser56> how to help with testing that iso before its released?
[10:37] <Riddell> good question, it's mostly done on shadeslayer_ and apachelogger's secret systems and then reported somewhere secret
[11:40] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: pushed
[12:24] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: did you update pkg-kde-tools?
[12:25] <Riddell> yep
[12:25] <Riddell>  going green now
[12:29] <shadeslayer_> \o/
[12:53] <Riddell> valorie: yo, where are ye?
[13:00] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: she left I think
[13:00] <Riddell> nah she said she was in the hack room but it's locked
[13:00] <shadeslayer_> oh
[13:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: got her phone number?
[13:01] <shadeslayer_> nope
[13:17] <waddlesplash> Riddell: did you see my messages from last night?
[13:18] <Riddell> waddlesplash: not sure, what did it say?
[13:18] <Riddell> waddlesplash: reading..
[13:23] <waddlesplash> Riddell: yeah. so got any idea how to fix that?
[13:30] <Riddell> waddlesplash: I can't recreate the 100% cpu issue but as I say if you're able to then get gdb to give you a backtrace and report upstream
[13:31] <Riddell> mixed icons, spooky, I usually blame caches for that
[13:43] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[14:03] <soee> why we have some xorg drivers for ati, radeon etc even if my pc does not using any of it ?
[14:20] <waddlesplash> Riddell: oh, not really a CPU issue.  I didn't have this happen anywhere but a file dialog in Qt Creator
[14:21] <waddlesplash> so maybe you could try right clicking inside a file dialog in Qt Creator and seeing if it does it for you too?
[14:24] <Riddell> oh interesting
[14:24] <Riddell> waddlesplash: I'll try it in a bit, got some other bits to sort out first
[14:38] <waddlesplash> kk
[15:46] <genii> Login Screen settings on 14.10 is crashing every time, but there's not really enough useful info in drkonqi to submit a bug report even though it installed whatever -dbg packages it thought were needed. Is the Login Screen setting crash known already or should I bother with running systemsettings in gdb for a better report?
[16:05] <genii> Hm, not much there either.
[16:25] <waddlesplash> genii: I noticed the same for some Plasma crashes
[16:25] <waddlesplash> even after installing debug packages, the backtrace is full of ??s
[16:28] <genii> The info from gdb is also sparse, other than the usual iBus stuff lately it's only saying "double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0000000000fb2b00 ***"
[17:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Are we going to FFe/put KF5 5.2 into Utopic?  I went ahead and did kapidox since it was bug fix only.
[17:47] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah I think we should
[17:47] <Riddell> it's not like anything depends on it
[17:47] <Riddell> I'm away for the next week
[17:47] <Riddell> hopefully sgclark will take care of it
[17:47] <Riddell> currently they're stuck on a test in kwidgetsaddons failing :(
[17:48] <ScottK> OK.
[18:04] <yofel> QWARN  : KColumnResizerTest::test(forms) Could not initialize OpenGL for RasterGLSurface, reverting to RasterSurface.
[18:04] <yofel> great, now tests even require openGL -.-
[18:12] <Riddell> hmm lots of warnings about CMake Warning: Manually-specified variables were not used by the project: ECM_MKSPECS_INSTALL_DIR  cos our new pkg-kde-tools passes that to all but not all use it
[18:25] <Riddell> hmm ki18n seems to have gained a requirement for python
[18:39] <Riddell> "Kubuntu recently surpassed 900 fans on Facebook." oh boy!
[18:45] <Riddell> ooh thanks yofel
[18:46] <yofel> yw :)
[19:41] <yofel> 1/1 Test #1: kitemviews-klistwidgetsearchlinetest ...***Exception: SegFault  0.56 sec
[19:41] <yofel> libEGL warning: GLX/DRI2 is not supported
[19:41] <yofel> you've just got to love arm...
[20:09] <Riddell> meh, arm shmarm
[20:09] <Riddell> didn't we have a volunteer who wanted to look after that?
[20:21] <mcstr_> anyone here got experience with glade/python????
[20:23] <yofel> python yes, pygtk not really
[20:23] <mcstr_> yofel i face so many problems now .... i use glade 3.16.1 ... i draw a simple window 3 radio check buttons
[20:23] <mcstr_> they are all active
[20:23] <mcstr_> even if i uncheck active in settings
[20:24] <mcstr_> all 3 active
[20:24] <mcstr_> that way ofc the program i wanna do cant work
[20:24] <mcstr_> is that a glade problem?=
[20:24] <yofel> no idea, it's been years since I looked at gtk. #ubuntu-app-devel might have gtk folks
[20:25] <mcstr_> yofel i also need 2 things with python first connecting a progressbar to a thread executed and read the choices of a combobox done and then apply the things choosen
[20:25] <mcstr_> app devel is in the same kubuntu irc? yofel
[20:25] <yofel> it's on freenode (which ubuntu irc is just an alias for )
[20:26] <mcstr_> yofel thx i am gonna asking there
[20:27] <mcstr_> no there is no ubuntu-app-devel channel there
[20:28] <mcstr_> ubuntu programming is.....
[20:28] <mcstr_> but only 7 users there
[20:28] <mcstr_> hm
[20:28] <yofel> huh, the channel is there...
[20:28] <mcstr_> not shown in my channel list
[20:28] <yofel> any particular reason why you're using gtk and not qt?
[20:28] <yofel> just join it, it is there
[20:28] <mcstr_> yofel found a good ebook introducing me to python now i am continuing with that
[20:29] <yofel> ah
[20:29] <mcstr_> i can't join it if its not in the list :)
[20:29] <yofel>  /j #ubuntu-app-devel
[20:29] <yofel>  or /join
[20:30] <mcstr_> yofel thx ! that seemed to have worked
[20:31] <mcstr_> yofel is qt as easy as python/gtk?
[20:31] <mcstr_> because ideally i look for something easily connecting drawn interfaces/buttons etc. with the program code
[20:34] <mcstr_> i am relatively new to programming however i manage the interface and the buttons and also implemented threading, but i need just  a little bit more
[20:34] <mcstr_> ideally having someone else colaborating on the prog with me
[20:35] <yofel> mcstr_: qt is a different ui toolkit like gtk, can be used from python too https://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt/Tutorials
[20:36] <mcstr_> yofel are there good ebooks out for it? and could i just take the same python code i have written already?
[20:36] <yofel> python code yes, but not the gtk parts
[20:36] <mcstr_> hmmm
[20:36] <yofel> #pyqt might be able to point you to something
[20:37] <mcstr_> yofel ok let me explain what i want to do and please you tell me if its achievable in pyqt or easier than in gtk
[20:37] <mcstr_> because i am losing a bit patience because for the 2 things still needed i find nothing on gtk to achieve it
[20:38] <yofel> if you have something almost working then continuing with gtk might be easier
[20:38] <yofel> I just don't know anything about gtk or where you can get help with it
[20:38] <mcstr_> hm
[20:38] <mcstr_> this is so frustrating
[20:38] <mcstr_> i went to library today grabbed me 3 books about python
[20:38] <mcstr_> 2 are just a joke and the one which is okayish is too mathematical
[20:39] <mcstr_> i cant release a prog where i just have variables defined as numebrs or words
[20:39] <mcstr_> i have the concept of the program so in my brain and should be possible that way
[20:40] <mcstr_> 2 comboboxes each 3 entries then the script checks what you have chosen and on button clicked it executes the chosen combo
[20:40] <mcstr_> i know it's possible
[20:40] <mcstr_> but all examples just do print "hello"
[20:40] <mcstr_> and replacing this with a command is not ennough
[20:40] <mcstr_> it needs a bti more code
[20:40] <mcstr_> maybe even if / else
[20:41] <mcstr_> if i did not suck so badly in maths i would have managed it by now sure
[21:04] <waddlesplash> Riddell: any update on the hanging bug?
[21:19] <Riddell> waddlesplash: if I run qtcreator qt5 version and click File -> Open File or Project and right click on the file view I get the context menu and no hanging
[21:59] <waddlesplash> Riddell: odd. maybe it has something to do with my hw?
[21:59] <waddlesplash> happens here every time
[21:59] <waddlesplash> even after reboots
[22:00] <yofel_> sounds very much like driver issues to me...
[22:04] <Riddell> needs some faffing around wiht gdb to find out
[22:05] <waddlesplash> yes, well
[22:05] <waddlesplash> my gdb cli skills are flaky at best
[22:05] <waddlesplash> looking at htop, there does not appear to be anything with too much cpu usage
[22:06] <waddlesplash> but just running "killall qtcreator" is enough to fix it
[22:07] <waddlesplash> I'll go ask the KF5 guys
[22:08] <Riddell> good luck


[00:00] <seele> maybe?  i dont think it is the distros job to do that since a lot of them aren't tied closely with kde4 development
[00:01] <seele> it might help to have someone clarify that they are developmen screenshots and probably wont be in production until the next release
[00:01] <seele> but at what point can we promise that feature x they saw on a blog post will be there?  we cant
[00:01] <DaSkreech> Ah right :) I thought that anyone reading the blogs would have gotten at least that much :)
[00:02] <seele> a lot of people assume that.  and you know what they say about assuming..
[00:02] <seele> normally, i wouldnt see it as an issue.. such as when 4.0 was released
[00:02] <seele> it was clear that kde4 was a developers release and wasnt ready
[00:03] <seele> but 4.1 is supposed to be the big release and more and more normal users are trying it out thanks to kubuntu and suse making such nice live cds and beta backages
[00:03] <seele> it's just easier to get it and try it, you don't have to be terribly advanced to run a few commands
[00:04] <seele> but what are these previews doing to the users who wouldnt normally put up with shit from their computer?
[00:04] <seele> in the case that i quoted.. the user sounded pretty frustrated with what he thinks will be 4.1
[00:04] <seele> and it wasnt the crashes, that is what you expect from beta software
[00:05] <seele> it was the lack of content
[00:05] <seele> 4.1 is also the big peek in to what Ibex is going to look like
[00:06] <seele> so, excuse me for being cynical or paranoid, but my primary interest is in protecting the kubuntu brand
[00:07] <DaSkreech> No I get that now. So it's more a matter of education or exposing functionality?
[00:07] <seele> afaik the functionality doesnt exist
[00:08] <seele> i've been messing with 4.1 for the past week and i can't seem to do anything besides put a widget on my desktop
[00:08] <seele> can you move widgets you add to your task bar around?  that's one thing that has been bugging me
[00:08] <seele> i add a clock widget and it gets added in the middle and i can't move it
[00:08] <seele> but that's besides the point
[00:09] <seele> i dont know what it is, normally it is a non-issue like during kde 4.0
[00:09] <seele> i guess as long as everyone delivers on their promises, there will be no fallout
[00:10] <seele> but what happens at the end of july when users still can't do what developers are doing with their desktop?
[00:10]  * seele is going in circles now
[00:13] <DaSkreech> seele: Which is why I'm asking would it make sense for distros to be adding in UIs for the stuff the devs are pushing around in the config files?
[00:13] <seele> is that how they are doing it?  hacking config files since the UI's don't exist?
[00:14] <DaSkreech> For some of it yes
[00:14] <DaSkreech> Aaron has said as much on his blog for somethings
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> Are we talking about setting FolderView as a containment?
[00:14] <seele> you would assume the UIs would be added in since 99% of users configure their desktop via the UI.  it would be impossible to discover functionality otherwise
[00:14] <seele> JontheEchidna: no, kde 4.1 in general
[00:14] <DaSkreech> For example he can make the folderview containment his desktop (getting KDE3 icons) but he has to do it in the config
[00:14] <seele> aaron write 3 blog entries a day and i dont get through all of them.  must of missed it
[00:15] <DaSkreech> he expects to have a GUI in 4.2
[00:15] <seele> hum, nothing like forward thinking
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> Right now Desktop Settings is only accessable via right click menu. I think that it should go in the desktop toolbox and preferably also in a systemsettings module
[00:16] <DaSkreech> well that's all plasma is isn't it? :)
[00:16] <DaSkreech> Aaron actually has mentioned 4.3 in his blog
[00:16] <DaSkreech> I was kinda shocked
[00:17] <DaSkreech> seele: Did your commenter mention what they were trying to do?
[00:18] <seele> configure their toolbar, they were having the same problem i was trying to get widgets in the correct places
[00:18] <seele> i went and tried it to see what he meant, you can't place anything, it just gets thrown on the bar
[00:19] <seele> er, taskbar.. whatever it's called now.  Formarlly Known As Kicker
[00:19] <JontheEchidna> I believe the buzzword is "panel" now :P
[00:19] <DaSkreech> Panel
[00:19] <DaSkreech> damn you JontheEchidna!!!
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> It would seem that drag 'n dropping widgets is somewhat undiscoverable...
[00:20] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'm still confused about that. I don't know when Panel stuff will be gooeygood
[00:20] <DaSkreech> It is
[00:20] <DaSkreech> But there is no graceful way to code around that right now that I know of
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Yeah there is
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Put a label at the bottom saying "drag and drop to panel n00b!"
[00:22] <DaSkreech> ktip the add widgets dialog? :)
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> Hopefully SuSe will re-do their move-things-on-panel patch for post Widgets-on-canvas Plasma...
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> ...preferably before Intrepid
[00:28] <JontheEchidna> Btw, do you guys like my Plasma theme so far? http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/oxyconnex.png
[00:29] <seele> is it mostly just a light version of the dark theme or are you changing other things as well?
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> I have "focus" "hover" and "minimized" elements for the task manager done
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> I took screenshots of some Oxygen buttons
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> and made them in to task manager entries
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> My goal is to sorta look like the Aya theme but look more Oxygen-ish
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> "Ozone Grey" came close
[00:33] <yuriy> seele, DaSkreech: maybe once 4.1 comes out we can start cataloguing missing options that didn't make it in and try to add them. shouldn't be too hard to implement if it's already doable via config files
[00:33] <DaSkreech> yuriy: Yeah but stuff like being able to drag the widgets to the panel is not trivial
[00:34] <seele> yuriy: that is certainly a good idea if we have the manpower
[01:44] <EagleScreen> i am starting to think KDE servicemenus system is less porwefull than nautilus-actions
[01:47] <DaSkreech> because?
[01:47] <yuriy> EagleScreen: did you get the packaging figured out?
[01:48] <EagleScreen> sorry yuriy but i don't understand what you mean
[01:53] <yuriy> weren't you trying to fix a service menu in dolphin?
[01:54] <EagleScreen> yes yuriy
[01:55] <EagleScreen> i already dominate packaging and patching system, now i have problems making the servicemenu correctly
[01:55] <EagleScreen> i have two main problems:
[01:57] <EagleScreen> first: i need the way to pass to ark an argument for ark to compress archives in the folder where dolphin is located
[01:58] <EagleScreen> if i use ark -add-to % U archive.zip, archive.zip is always created in $HOME folder
[01:59] <EagleScreen> yuriy or someone, please, some help
[02:00] <Jucato> this is exactly the reason I gave up on that service menu for Ark... the fact that both Ark and D3lphin are pretty much broken doesn't help the cause...
[02:02] <yuriy> hmm yet this works fine in konqueror?
[02:02] <Jucato> it's not a service menu
[02:02] <EagleScreen> konqueror uses konq-plugins, i think it does not use a servicemenu for this
[02:02] <Jucato> yes
[02:02] <EagleScreen> but, dolphin in KDE4 will need also a good fixed servicemenu for compress... dont you think?
[02:03] <Jucato> hard coded plugin.
[02:04] <JontheEchidna> I don't believe that Ark-kde4 has the necessary functionality for a service menu atm
[02:04] <Jucato> EagleScreen: as for your earlier question in #kde-devel... <EagleScreen> i want mu servicemenu action to apears when folders and files are selected at the same time, is it possible? <--- of course... at least for Konqueror... I could never figure out why D3lphin couldn't.
[02:04] <EagleScreen> %d variable is not working well, it is deprecated, i'd need it for indicate the rute of the compressed archive
[02:04] <Jucato> JontheEchidna: this is KDE 3
[02:04] <Jucato> D3lphin.. which terribly sucks because it stopped being maintained months ago
[02:05] <EagleScreen> yes, i know
[02:05] <Jucato> EagleScreen: I was telling that to JontheEchidna
[02:06] <EagleScreen> may be in Dolphin KDE4 to be possible servicemenu appears with both: files and folders???
[02:06] <Jucato> checking
[02:06]  * Jucato first has to figure out where they are placed :)
[02:08] <EagleScreen> i supused d3lphin and dolphin have the same functionality for servicemenus
[02:09] <Jucato> well basically D3lphin is just trying to use Konqueror's.... not sure if in KDE 4 they reimplemented the whole system to work on both Dolphin and KOnqueor (though Konq uses Dolphin)
[02:10] <EagleScreen> i only have by the moment a possible servicemenu for integrate ark ocmpression in dolphin
[02:11] <EagleScreen> there is to use Exec=ark -add   % U
[02:12] <EagleScreen> this opens a dialog to type the name and extension for the new archive, or for an existent archive in which to add the new files
[02:12] <EagleScreen> i think it is well
[02:12] <EagleScreen> initially i only used that option
[02:14] <EagleScreen> but kubuntu users dislike the method because it is necessary a dialog and most of then use wrongly that dialog, they think extension filter it for choose the extension of your new archive
[02:15] <Jucato> KDE 3 and KDE 4 servicemenus are not directly compatible... porting needed... so I can't test directly about selecting both files and folders
[02:19] <Jucato> the good news: servicemenus work in both Konq and Dolphin. the bad news: can't figure out which MimeType to use to make the servicemenu available when both files and folders are selected
[02:19] <Jucato> (in KDE 3, all/all worked)
[02:20] <Jucato> oh wait all/all also works in KDE 4. :)
[02:24] <EagleScreen> in d3lphin all/all is not working for me!!
[02:24] <Jucato> yes I already mentioned that
[02:24] <EagleScreen> is working in dolphin?
[02:24] <Jucato> Dolphin = KDE 4. yes
[02:25] <Jucato> isn't it frustrating desperately trying to make a horribly broken app usable? :(
[02:28] <EagleScreen> yes it is lol
[02:28]  * JontheEchidna will be glad when d3lphin is dead
[02:28] <EagleScreen> i said i have a way to add compression support for d3lphin: the dialog option
[02:29] <Jucato> yeah. but were you able to get it to appear when both files and folders are selected?
[02:34] <EagleScreen> negative it is not possible in d3lphin
[02:34] <EagleScreen> all/all not working
[02:35] <Jucato> yes. that's one of the things "horribly broken" :)
[02:35] <Jucato> the other thing was that it didn't have a Restore <Item> or Empty Trash originally
[02:38] <EagleScreen> where can i read about servicemenus specific for KDE4??
[02:38] <Jucato> http://techbase.kde.org
[02:55] <jaldhar> hello. kapptemplate-kde4 4:4.0.80-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa2 can't seem to find its templates.  Is this a known problem?    I like Dell laptops, but to each his own.
[04:32] <nixternal> he is doing a lot of great work though, so hopefully one day soon I will be able to easily install Kubuntu on one w/o him holding my hand showing me where they hide their binary drivers :)
[04:32] <ScottK> D430 doesn't need any binary drivers.
[04:32] <nixternal> ScottK: ya, I have a Dell D830 for work and it is fantabulous
[04:32] <nixternal> either does this one :)
[04:32] <nixternal> Intel all around
[04:32] <ScottK> Works flawless out of the box with Kubuntu.
[04:32] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:32] <nixternal> until you enable compiz
[04:33] <ScottK> There is a simple solution to that problem.
[04:33] <nixternal> don't enable compiz
[04:33] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:33] <crimsun_> see xserver-xorg-video-intel.
[04:33] <nixternal> I haven't had the time to compile kde4 on the lappy yet
[04:34] <ScottK> Last week I wrote a prototype stunt DNS resolver for a consulting gig I might get (kind of an audition piece).
[04:34] <ScottK> I could do 500,000 DNS anwers/hour with the laptop.
[04:35] <nixternal> well, I have been trying to get lbdb working with our ldap servers and it had me cussing all morning
[04:35] <nixternal> when it comes to IMAP and/or Exchange
[04:35] <nixternal> everything but Mutt sucks
[04:35] <nixternal> their motto is true
[04:35] <nixternal> All email clients suck, we just suck less
[04:36]  * ScottK is actually a big fan of Kmail.  It works well for me.
[04:37] <nixternal> I love KMail with POP3
[04:37] <nixternal> for IMAP, I use Mailody
[04:37] <nixternal> it is tops
[04:37]  * ScottK can't stand IMAP.  Every time I've tried it I've had mail vanish.  Doesn't matter what MUA I use.
[04:37] <nixternal> I have never lost 1 mail with Mutt
[04:37] <ScottK> I don't care if it's ancient.  If I pop the message, then I've got it.
[04:37] <nixternal> quite a few with KMail, and a bunch with Evolution
[04:38] <nixternal> for some reason, Evolution flags @cleversafe.com as spam, so interoffice emails get removed and I don't even know about it
[04:38] <crimsun_> I've never lost mail with mailx(1).
[04:38] <nixternal> haha
[04:38] <DaSkreech> nixternal: damnit I don't need to hear that
[04:38] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to move to an E-mail client
[04:38] <nixternal> DaSkreech: mutt ftw!
[04:38] <ScottK> So now they want to take my nice maildirs and shove them into some kind of mysql abomination (the PHP of relational databases) and expect me to be relaxed.
[04:39] <nixternal> alpine is OK, but lacks quite a bit
[04:39] <nixternal> you don't have to use mysql
[04:39] <ScottK> Akonadi has choices?
[04:40] <nixternal> I thought there was the postgresql choice
[04:40] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Kmail ft?
[04:40] <nixternal> someone was telling me recently about sqlalchemy and how it rocked, but I haven't had a chance to check it out
[04:41] <nixternal> DaSkreech: FTW no doubt when compared to other GUI based PIM solutions
[04:41] <nixternal> give Evolution a shot, and I guarantee in 1 hour, you make up new cuss words
[04:41] <nixternal> Evolution about caused me to install Windows on my work lappy
[04:42] <nixternal> but I don't think it is a good sign if the Linux Packaging and Development Engineer is using Windows and not Linux :)
[04:43] <nixternal> oh, and JEOS ftw
[04:43] <nixternal> CentOS, Fedora, and Red Hat all suck for Appliance machines
[04:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Outlook on WINE.
[04:46] <nixternal> doesn't work
[04:46] <yuriy> nixternal: as they do for end user desktop and laptop machines
[04:46] <nixternal> but IE 7 does :P
[04:46] <yuriy> which leaves enterprise desktops and servers... hmm what's RH targetting again?
[04:46] <yuriy> :P
[04:46] <ScottK> nixternal: What version of Outlook.  I bet Outlook 2000 works fine.
[04:48] <nixternal> heh, but outlook 2000 doesn't work with the newest exchange server
[04:49] <nixternal> actually, according to hq, none of the outlooks work with wine, and if they do, not all that well
[04:49] <nixternal> fedora is a good desktop and laptop os
[04:49] <nixternal> I was debating on using it with the lappy because I work on RPMs all day long
[04:49] <nixternal> and then I come home and cut myself as the pain is less
[04:49] <ScottK> I used Outlook 2000 with crossover office a couple of year ago and it basically workd.  Just slow.
[04:50] <yuriy> perhaps, i haven't actually used it for more than a minute, mostly judging by RHEL
[04:50] <nixternal> oh, I totally forgot about xover
[04:50] <nixternal> but I would be violating the EULA on a company machine
[04:50] <nixternal> that is why I haven't really gotten into it
[04:50] <DaSkreech> I thought the Evolution was trying to be a Outlook replacement
[04:50] <nixternal> luckily we have IMAP setup, so I use Mutt now
[04:50] <nixternal> Evolution is a replacement bag for a wastepaper basket
[04:50] <nixternal> that's about it
[04:51] <yuriy> nixternal: you seemed pretty impressed with it at first
[04:51] <nixternal> it doesn't save its views, its ui is garbage, and its mail handling is slower than outlook express with 10000 nntp server subscriptions
[04:51] <nixternal> yuriy: I was actually
[04:51] <nixternal> but for 2 weeks I thought my job was useless as I wasn't getting any mail
[04:51] <ScottK> I think I got flashblinded from all my IRC channels flashing red in Konversation when I rebooted my laptop just now.
[04:52] <nixternal> come to find out today, it was all in the trash flagged as spam
[04:52] <nixternal> ScottK: lol
[04:52] <nixternal> I did that with irssi using that web based irc at school a while back
[04:56] <nixternal> Riddell: I am going to do a fairly large bike race this summer and would like to be sponsored by Kubuntu...no need for money, just the jersey :)
[04:59]  * ScottK learns about Python Threads.
[04:59] <nixternal> I need to do the same
[05:00] <nixternal> I am writing a script that reads in 6 or more links and parses them...4 yum repos and 2 svn repos
[05:07] <DasKreecH> damn FF and Flash
[05:07] <DasKreecH> and X too
[05:07] <DasKreecH> It sucks :(
[05:07] <DasKreecH> Anyone wanna pastebin the convo after nixternal: I thought that you were praising it not too long ago
[05:07] <DasKreecH> Or some such from yuriy
[06:43] <DasKreecH> nixternal: Still up?
[07:20] <\sh> Riddell: are you planning to backport 4.0.83 to hardy? :)
[11:43] <Riddell> stdin: can I move the existing beta 2 packages in your ppa to kubuntu-members-kde4 ?
[11:44] <stdin> Riddell: probably, I haven't actually tested them yet though
[11:44] <nixternal> mornin'
[11:48] <Riddell> stdin: copied
[11:48] <Riddell> stdin: are you working on any at the moment?
[11:48] <stdin> kdebase-workspace
[11:49] <stdin> nixternal: we don't still need kde4-wrapper-creation: in debian/rules do we?
[11:50] <nixternal> stdin: no, because it is in cdbs/
[12:06] <nixternal> heh, I am looking at the themes and what not on gnome-look, and one of them is GPL and in the notes the developers states "please do not touch the directory structure"
[12:09] <gnomefreak> nixternal: thanks for answering my question sorry i went to bed
[12:11] <nixternal> no prob...I did the same
[12:24] <Riddell> oh rollocks, I moved the packages from stdin's ppa to kubuntu-members-kde4 but into intrepid
[12:25] <nixternal> ouch
[12:47] <etretyak> Hello Everyone!
[12:49] <Riddell> morning etretyak
[13:58] <Riddell> stdin: kdebase-workspace is compiling for intrepid in your ppa
[13:59] <stdin> ah, pants
[14:05] <Riddell> stdin: I'm working on kdegraphics for hardy
[14:06] <jjesse> morning
[14:46] <Riddell> stdin: onto kdemultimedia
[15:04] <Riddell> stdin: onto kdesdk
[15:04] <Riddell> stdin, txwikinger: by the way, openstreetmap meeting in birmingham this evening if that interests you
[15:05] <txwikinger> cool
[15:05] <txwikinger> when? where?
[15:08] <Riddell> txwikinger: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Midlands,_UK_User_Group
[15:08] <txwikinger> thanks Riddell
[15:11] <seele> is anyone who hasn't seen kgrubeditor later keen on trying it out for a few minutes while i ask questions?
[15:12] <Riddell> seele: interested, but currently a bit busy
[15:14] <seele> Riddell: maybe later then
[15:14] <seele> anyone else? i'll try to keep it to 15 minutes or less
[15:15] <txwikinger> seele: I can do that
[15:18] <Nightrose> seele: 15 mins should be doable
[15:20] <seele> Nightrose: ok.. will you be available in a little bit?  I'm talking to txwikinger atm
[15:20] <Nightrose> k
[15:27] <Riddell> stdin: onto kdeadmin
[15:29] <peller_> hello all. i have both qt3-dev and qt4-dev installed, but i'm curious is it possible to change the default to qt4? (eg calling qmake -v returns 4.4 and not 3.3.8 etc)
[15:30] <Riddell> peller_: update-alternatives --config qmake
[15:30] <Riddell> or something similar
[15:31] <Riddell> yes
[15:32] <peller_> great, thanks. say i wanted to do that for all kde4/qt4 applications.. is there a batch way to do it or will i need to do it on a per package basis?
[15:32] <Riddell> on a per alternative basis
[15:32] <peller_> ok cool. thanks for your help!
[15:32] <Riddell> qtconfig and designer are the others
[15:57] <smarter> Riddell: could you please upload gpm, kks and webkitkde?
[15:58] <Riddell> smarter: was waiting for kdebase-workspace and bindings to compile
[15:58]  * Riddell checks
[15:58] <smarter> ah, ok
[15:59] <Riddell> grr, bindings failed
[16:01]  * Riddell uploads a hopeful fix
[16:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll create a debdiff for my bindings changes tomorrow
[16:03] <apachelogger> that should fix the FTBS as well
[16:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: what changes?
[16:04] <apachelogger> the ones I made to the beta1 packages in order to get kross and stuff
[16:05] <Riddell> hmm, we're onto beta 2 now
[16:07] <apachelogger> well, let me rephrase ... I'll port my bindings changes to beta2 and create a debdiff tomorrow
[16:07]  * apachelogger has to leave for partying - finished exams :)
[16:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: for beta 2 I failed to get smoke to compile (and thus qyoto, ruby etc)
[16:20] <stdin> right, -workspace finally build
[16:20] <Riddell> stdin: phew!
[16:21] <Riddell> stdin: going to do kdebase next?
[16:21] <stdin> yeah
[16:22] <Riddell> I'll do kdeplasmoids, I suspect that's what the masses want
[16:23] <stdin> just as long as they have their bling
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: kdebindings still FTBFS :/
[16:53] <smarter> dh_install: python-kde4-dev missing files (usr/share/sip/PyKDE4/*), aborting
[16:54] <smarter> oh, I didn't see the ubuntu4
[16:54]  * smarter tries again
[16:56] <smarter> (BTW, you should bump Standards-Version to <IP_ADDRESS>)
[16:57] <Riddell> smarter: yeah, evil missing comma
[17:27] <txwikinger> Riddell: still here?
[17:27] <Riddell> txwikinger: hi
[17:27] <txwikinger> I will try to come by tonite
[17:27] <txwikinger> Hope I make it in time
[17:27] <Riddell> groovy
[17:27] <txwikinger> See you then
[17:28] <Riddell> my phone number is on jriddell.org/contact.html incase you need to call
[17:28] <txwikinger> Ok thanks
[17:32] <seele> ooh, forgot about that
[17:32]  * seele adds looking at Leonov to her TODO list
[17:53] <daskrEEch> lol Microsoft wants the ODF committe to move to Redmond?
[18:33] <stdin> Riddell: libkipi5 probably shouldn't conflict with libkipi0 (kdegraphics-kde4)
[19:40] <santiago-ve> finally goodbye pulseaudio...
[19:44]  * Nightrose pokes yuriy for having forgotten her in that email :P
[19:51] <yuriy> Nightrose: ah, so I did. sorry. it was a quick glance through the list for familiar names
[19:51] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:51] <Nightrose> no prob
[20:10] <jjesse_> hrmm i think i ran into a problem with an update of the kde4 ppa
[20:10] <jjesse_> kdebase-wrkspace-date won't install
[20:10] <jjesse_> trying to overwrite /usr/lib/kde4/share/doc/kde4/HTML/en/kcontrol/screensaver/index.docbook which is also in pacakage kdebase-runtime-data
[20:11] <stdin> new kdebase-runtime went in 10 mins ago, update
[20:12] <jjesse_> hrm ok
[20:12] <jjesse_> when i booted up this VM adept updater showed updates so installad them... probablly should have waited :(
[20:13] <stdin> kdebase-kde4 still has yet to build
[20:13] <stdin> and the PPA builders are backed-up
[20:13] <jjesse_> ah should have checked the ppa first
[20:13] <jjesse_> live and learn i guess
[20:18] <seele> doh, Artemis is gone
[22:07] <harolddong> are the beta 2 packages broken?
[22:08] <harolddong> is this a known thing?
[22:09] <stdin> the packages are still being built
[22:09] <stdin> can't be broken if it's not build yet ;)
[22:10] <harolddong> ok thanks