[00:23] <tsaavik> hey all, just had to power my xbuntu box down. I have 2 monitors and i'm getting mirrored desktop instead of spanned, where can I change this, can't find it anywhere! :D
[00:27] <xubuntuNewbie> looking for a lightweight distro that actually has some support for a newbie;  Is this it?
[00:28] <holstein> xubuntuNewbie: its free, and easy to run live... give it a try
[00:28] <xubuntuNewbie> I actually am running live, and installing... ATM
[00:28] <holstein> xubuntuNewbie: i will personally refund your money if you are not satisfied ;)
[00:29] <xubuntuNewbie> This is my first time on IRC, too.  So if I offend, plz let me know.
[00:29] <xubuntuNewbie> lol
[00:35] <EdgEy> I have been using linux for years, but recently switched to xubuntu
[00:35] <EdgEy> haven't had to fiddle with anything for over a year
[00:35] <EdgEy> everything just worked including video and wireless
[00:35] <EdgEy> though, I don't play 3d games etc (ultraportable)
[00:36] <holstein> tsaavik: what graphics hardware?
[00:36] <tsaavik> intel builtin
[00:37] <tsaavik> its mirroring like a champ, just can't find the swtich, lol
[00:37] <holstein> hmmm... intel *should* be well supported
[00:37] <holstein> might just need to make your own custom xorg.conf
[00:37] <tsaavik> I was doing this before, I just powered down to move the PC :d
[00:38] <tsaavik> Oh, I wonder if i booted as xfce instead of xubuntu! brb
[00:39] <tsaavik> hmm, nope
[00:41] <xubuntuNewbie> OK, time to boot my new OS. wish me luck.
[00:41] <tsaavik> good luck :D
[00:50] <tsaavik> sudo apt-get install arandr
[00:50] <tsaavik> arandr, gui to fix it
[00:51] <holstein> tsaavik: you got it?
[00:51] <holstein> great :)
[00:51] <tsaavik> yup :D
[01:09] <xUbuntuNewbie> Is there a way to switch users, keeping this session open, but hidden?
[01:11] <holstein> xUbuntuNewbie: i use screen for terminal apps
[01:11] <holstein> im using irssi for chat in screen
[01:36] <babble> do I want to try living in Debian stable?
[01:41] <S_SubZero> live in Debian UNstable
[01:43] <babble> hehe.
[01:43] <babble> I'm trying to wean myself off of tweaking with crud just because it's there to tweak ;)
[02:14] <art_> Hi everyone........I recently duplicated a drive using the dd command to make a second bootble hard drive copy of my primary drive. But, instead of removing the cloned drive for archive purposes, I rebooted the system.
[02:15] <art_> Now the cloned drive won't do anything, gparted can't detect it and the red led drive light stays on constantly and hangs when trying to boot.
[02:15] <art_> Is there any way to get control of the drive so that I can reformat it???
[02:49] <xubuntu585> what is the meaning of "encrypt my home folder"? and what is the real function and benefits?
[02:50] <xubuntu585> anyone knows? and  ca nexplain a little bit?
[02:51] <Unit193> Well, it encrypts your home folder, that's it's real functiom...
[02:52] <holstein> yeah.. you lose you laptop
[02:52] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome
[02:52] <holstein> i boot into recover kernel reset the password and im in you data
[02:52] <holstein> the encryption helps with that
[02:53] <holstein> gives you more time to change passwords or whatever
[02:53] <xubuntu585> good, any special key need for the encryption?
[02:53] <holstein> and maybe enough of a deterent for someone not to mess with it
[02:57] <xubuntu585> thanks guys! i've learned a bit more today.
[02:57] <xubuntu585> c u
[02:58] <holstein> xubuntu585: hey
[02:58] <holstein> i just set it up myself
[02:58] <holstein> last week really
[02:58] <holstein> its pretty seemless with the userpassword so far
[02:58] <holstein> no deal breakers
[02:58] <holstein> no reason *not* to do it on a laptop for sure
[02:58] <Unit193> Or you can always use TrueCrypt too ;)
[02:59] <xubuntu585> ok, i am starting the installation now. let me continue that..
[02:59] <xubuntu585> c u.
[03:40] <marion> good evening everyone
[03:41] <marion> so i am in a bind here and i was wondering if anyone knew how to set up a static ip address
[03:42] <holstein> marion: this is the gerneral guide i use when i setup a server box
[03:42] <holstein> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/
[03:43] <holstein> but, you do it in the GUI in xubuntu or ubuntu or whatever
[03:43] <holstein> click on the network icon... go to 'edit connections'
[03:43] <holstein> go to the tab you want, wired or wireless
[03:43] <holstein> select the connection and hit the 'edit' button
[03:44] <holstein> go over to ipv4 (assuming thats what you are on) and select 'method - manual'
[03:44] <holstein> fill it in
[03:45] <holstein> at that point, i usually open a terminal and run ifconfig so i can see what information i need to put in there
[03:46] <marion> thanks holstein. I swear I am gonna keep you on speed dial
[03:46] <holstein> hehe
[03:48] <marion> why does it say never under last used
[03:48] <holstein> marion: i forget
[03:49] <holstein> that was on the papercuts list AFAIK
[03:49] <holstein> dont worry about it though, its not clear
[03:51] <marion> weird that i can irc now
[03:51] <marion> but I cant connect to web pages
[03:51] <marion> do I really need to put in dns addresses
[03:51] <holstein> yup
[03:51] <holstein> i put the gateway
[03:51] <holstein> my router
[03:52] <holstein> you can use whatever
[03:52] <holstein> i like open dns
[03:52] <marion> is it <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:52] <holstein> http://www.opendns.com/ <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:55] <marion> correct me if i am wrong but the netmask is <IP_ADDRESS> right
[03:56] <holstein> technically, that depends
[03:56] <holstein> but, that should be the case
[03:56] <holstein> thats why i run ifconfig in a terminal while still on DHCP
[03:56] <holstein> you can see most of those settings
[03:58] <marion> ok now got that fixed time to set up my printer scanner on here
[03:59] <marion> my wife is 100% windows so i have a week to prove she can do everything she liked doing in windows on here
[03:59] <holstein> yeah, good luck with that
[03:59] <zenrox> i got my wife to switch
[03:59] <holstein> the wife'll use what works if you stop fixing things for her
[03:59] <zenrox> by doing just that
[04:00] <marion> all she does is facebook email and image editing
[04:00] <holstein> in what though?
[04:00] <marion> thats why i am doing dual boot
[04:00] <holstein> firefox? IE?
[04:00] <marion> firefox
[04:00] <holstein> what about the image editing?
[04:00] <holstein> she wont reboot
[04:01] <holstein> or thats my findings
[04:01] <holstein> i wouldnt
[04:01] <holstein> h
[04:01] <zenrox> i switced my wife from ps to gimp
[04:01] <zenrox> she loves gimp
[04:01] <holstein> 'hey, let me edit a photo".... waiting 6 minutes for reboot
[04:01] <marion> i havent done gimp yet
[04:01] <holstein> the gimp is great
[04:01] <holstein> inkscape too
[04:01] <zenrox> very great
[04:02] <holstein> those tutorials in inkscape are spot on
[04:02] <marion> i do not remember how to install using a tar like i said i havent messed with linuc in like a year or so
[04:03] <holstein> i would right click on it, and deal with it from there
[04:03] <holstein> or do it in the terminal
[04:03] <holstein> but, i try and find PPA's for apps
[04:03] <holstein> then .debs
[04:03] <holstein> otherwise i get some packages all over that i dont know what to do with
[04:04] <holstein> anyways.. enjoy all... GN!
[05:04] <xUbuntuNewbie> looking for a way to switch users without logging out, I am new to xubuntu....
[07:07] <ball> Is it practical to install Xubuntu from a USB Flash drive?
[07:11] <zenrox> i did it
[07:11] <zenrox> ball
[07:12] <ball> zenrox: What did you use to write the install image to the flash drive?
[07:15] <ball> Unetbootin? (I'm googling ;-)
[07:19]  * ball tries it
[07:21] <Shirakawasuna> ball: if you're already using ubuntu, you should have usb-creator-gtk
[07:21] <Shirakawasuna> it's meant for exactly the purpose you need
[07:22] <ball> Shirakawasuna: I have one Qimo machine around, which is a Xubuntu derivative, but I somehow removed from both of its users the ability to su.
[07:23] <ball> ...so I thought I'd try a clean Xubuntu install and then look for my daughter's games as packages.
[07:24] <ball> Looks like this is going to take a while.  I'll head to bed and check on it in the morning.
[07:24] <ball> Shirakawasuna & zenrox, Thanks for your help.
[08:09] <DoverOs> installed nvidia drivers from their site, broke X xP
[08:10] <Sysi> that's why you should use "Additional drivers" app
[08:11] <Sysi> you propably need to edit/create xorg.conf, nvidia-xconfig does that automatically
[08:12] <DoverOs> hmm
[08:12] <DoverOs> ya, there was this pop up for the drivers, but i just decided to get the one from the site
[08:13] <Sysi> and your xorg broke :)
[08:14] <ubuntu> how do i like boot in rescue mode?
[08:14] <S_SubZero> on Ubuntu if I installed anything newer than the nVidia 173 drivers it would become unstable and unusable.  I'm afraid to try with Xubuntu since I have it working.
[08:15] <ubuntu> 11.10
[08:15] <DoverOs> be afraid! :3
[08:30] <peerAU> so
[08:30] <peerAU> im still having problems with my network card
[08:30] <peerAU> it wont accept routes
[08:30] <peerAU> no matter what
[08:31] <DoverOs> -doesn't know-
[11:22] <PolitikerNEU> Hi everyone, does anybody know how the "power manager" applet for XFCE is called (so that I can adjust brightness settings)
[11:32] <PolitikerNEU> have found it: it's xfce4-power-manager
[12:54] <uffo> does Ubuntu 12.04 get XFCE 4.10, it would be disaster if not because 5 years is looong time?
[12:54] <uffo> Xubuntu i mean
[12:58] <babble> uffo: I think it's really too soon to predict WHAT 12.04 will use for a community-maintained distribution like Xubunty
[12:58] <babble> *Xubuntu
[12:59] <babble> especially given that 4.10 isn't available *itself* yet
[13:02] <uffo> i really have hope you devs that you avoid Ubuntu policy rules and bring 4.10 inside 12.04 - 5 years is wayy long for 4.10
[13:03] <uffo> i meant 5 years is long for 4.8
[13:12] <babble> uffo: well, again, it's not as if Xubuntu devs would be averse to including 4.10
[13:12] <babble> but still again, it's a community-maintained distribution.
[13:12] <babble> that means the folks working on it are largely volunteers.
[13:13] <babble> if there are any paid devs working on *Xubuntu*, I'd be surprised (pleasantly, but surprised)
[13:13] <babble> it's largely a matter of when Xfce is ready, and when 12.04 is ready
[13:14] <babble> if 12.04 doesn't ship with latest Xfce on its release date, there will very likely be a backport in due time.
[13:38] <ochosi> uffo: it's highly unrealistic that 4.10 will be ready for 12.04, but yeah, this question is discussed by the dev-teaM
[17:27] <mikem94590> I'm looking at going the Xubuntu route (Xfce) given the way that Ubuntu/Unity/Gnome3 is going.  My question here is; does Xubuntu have the same hardware support that Ubuntu does?
[17:27] <Myrtti> yup
[17:28] <mikem94590> As in...I can install Ubuntu 11.10 and have all of my hardware/drivers/firmware working out of the box.  So Xubuntu 11.10 would be the same, or are there drivers that are "stripped"?
[17:28] <Sysi> nope, exactly the same
[17:28] <Myrtti> the "drivers" are in the kernel, and the kernel is the same across all *buntus
[17:28] <Sysi> !purexfce
[17:29] <mikem94590> Wow, thanks!  You've made my day here.
[17:29] <mikem94590> lol
[17:30] <mikem94590> See, I know I can install Xfce on a Ubuntu installation, but I'd rather just have a CD laying around for clean installs so I don't have to download Xfce on my slow connection every time I install/reinstall.
[17:33] <tjingboem> where can i find sun-java for 11.10?
[17:52] <genii-around> tjingboem: There is an unsupported ppa. https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/java?field.series_filter=oneiric
[18:57] <tjingboem> genii_around, thanks for the link to the ppa
[18:59] <genii-around> tjingboem: You're welcome
[19:08] <kasztan85> hi
[19:11] <S_SubZero> hello
[19:11] <babble> hello
[19:27] <noob13> hey, is there a reason fonts seem to be rendered differently in xfce4 and gnome?
[19:27] <noob13> i just switched, turned on all the smooth font settings, and yet, it looks a lot worse here for some reason
[19:27] <msknight> Hi, sorry to barge in with a problem. Can anyone help with compiling "handbrake" on xubuntu 11.10 64 bit version please?
[19:29] <noob13> msknight: isn't there a .deb package?
[19:29] <msknight> No, not yet. A ppa link, but no package for Onieric yet.
[19:30] <Sysi> noob13: set hinting to RGB and test different hinting options, and possibly different fonts
[19:30] <msknight> I have installed g++, yasm, libtool and autoconf. The error concerns.... "/usr/bin/ld: Cannot find -lbz2" which I think can probably be solved by a soft link, but that's only from generic searching.
[19:31] <msknight> I don't know if a soft link will solve it ... or even if it will, I'm not sure what files to soft link.
[19:33] <Sysi> msknight: use ppa or download .deb from there and try to install that
[19:34] <msknight> Sysi, There is no onieric in the ppa, and no deb that I can find.
[19:35] <noob13> shouldn't the natty ppa work just fine?
[19:35] <noob13> excuse me if i'm wrong, i really have no clue
[19:35] <msknight> noob13, I don't know how to override the PPA to tell it to get the natty ... if such a thing is possible.
[19:37] <ScottE> msknight, the commandline version of handbrake works fine in 11.10. The gui version is supposed to be fixed soon.
[19:38] <ScottE> I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the natty version won't work in 11.10
[19:38] <msknight> ScottE, I've checked the PPA for the CLI and I can't find Onieric in there, either.
[19:39] <Sysi> https://launchpad.net/~handbrake-ubuntu/+archive/ppa/+build/1713061
[19:39] <Sysi> IDK if that works but worth  a try
[19:40] <msknight> I'm downloading it now! I'm willing to try ... almost ... anything!
[19:40] <ScottE> Sysi, doubtful, that's from may 2010 :-)
[19:40] <Sysi> ugh, I picked from version anyway
[19:41] <ScottE> I wish I could remember how I installed it, but that's on another box at home
[19:41] <Sysi> ..no, that old
[19:41] <msknight> Apparently I'm standing at the gates to dependency hell.
[19:43] <ScottE> msknight, see if this helps https://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=22230
[19:43] <ScottE> Pretty sure that's the ppa I used for cli version
[19:44] <ScottE> (that is, the stebbins/handbrake-snapshots one)
[19:45] <msknight> Looks like something is coming down.
[19:45] <msknight> Yay, I'm up and running ... I think.
[19:45] <msknight> Many thanks.
[19:45] <ScottE> sure msknight, it will be nice when the full gui version is working again, but at least the cli is something
[19:47] <msknight> Looks like the GUI version is running here.
[19:48] <ScottE> oh great news msknight. I guess I should update from the latest snapshot too
[19:49] <msknight> And to think I spent all that time trying to work out all those other compilation errors :-)
[19:49] <msknight> Never mind, it was good practice!
[19:59] <msknight> Well ... thanks for the help folks. Very kind of you.
[20:33] <xubuntu306> hello, everybody
[20:34] <xubuntu306> how i can disable monitor mirroring on my xubuntu
[20:34] <xubuntu306> ?
[20:34] <Sysi> arandr or nvidia/ati-tool
[20:35] <xubuntu306> i have intel 945GM Chipset =(
[20:36] <xubuntu306> Sysi: so, what i should to do?
[20:36] <well_laid_lawn> !info arandr
[20:36] <xubuntu306> only install Arandr, and i will solve my problem?
[20:37] <Sysi> use it
[21:51] <Mahmoud> hi, why can't my xtfce4-terminal doesn't beep upon the execution of "beep" command, or echo -e "\a"
[21:54] <Anom01y_> hi, I recently upgraded xubuntu 10.10 to 11.04
[21:54] <Anom01y_> my other Linux acct is no longer able to log on via xfce
[21:54] <Anom01y_> or maybe I never could log on in the first place
[21:55] <Anom01y_> but when I try I get "unable to load fail safe" error with a quit button, which I can'\t click
[21:55] <Anom01y_> so I have to reset the computer
[21:55] <Anom01y_> my main xfce acct works fine
[22:49] <ISBB> afternoon
[22:50] <ISBB> got a question of the n00b here
[22:50] <ISBB> if anyone is around?
[22:50] <alethiophile> possibly?
[22:50] <ISBB> multi monitors w/ xubuntu
[22:50] <ISBB> i cant get them to play the way i want
[22:51] <ISBB> have 4 monitors 2 seperate nvidia cards.. nvidia's manager works OK but doesnt play right
[22:51] <alethiophile> what doesn't play?
[22:51] <ISBB> in a nut shell.. i have my one monitor as my main desktop and the other 3 as a giant twin view array
[22:51] <alethiophile> unfortunately I probably can't help with that
[22:51] <ISBB> lol no worries bud
[22:52] <ISBB> coming over from windows trying to make things play the same
[22:52] <Marion> Does xubuntu not support rpm.?
[22:52] <alethiophile> it uses .deb by default
[22:52] <ISBB> and im used to my 4 monitor setup.  I have 3 i use regularly and the 4th is tucked off on the side for media
[22:53] <alethiophile> Marion: you can use alien (in the repositories) to convert rpms to debs
[22:53] <Marion> So I nees to dowload the deb instead
[22:53] <alethiophile> if one is available, that would be easier
[22:53] <Marion> Ok I'll have to try that when I get home
[22:54] <well_laid_lawn> Marion: cheked if the app is in the repos?
[22:54] <alethiophile> so: I have loadkeys, but the keymap files are missing
[22:55] <alethiophile> where can I get them, and where the f*** is my computer getting its key mapping from on the TTYs?
[22:55] <Marion> Its the drivers for my printer scanner
[22:56] <Marion> So I have another question.  How do I make it so that my computer never turns off the display. I have disabled power control however I still get my screen going off
[23:07] <well_laid_lawn> Marion: in a terminal you can try   xset -dpms
[23:19] <ochosi> Marion: you can also look at the screensaver-settings


[00:00] <zzecool> :p
[00:01] <velcom> i have a lenovo G550 with 15.6 inch for 2 years now, it`s mobile and i can also watch movies like a boss
[00:02] <glosoli> zzecool: XBMC ? ;D
[00:02] <zzecool> glosoli: yes its a media center that BLOWS
[00:02] <zzecool> :D
[00:02] <glosoli> Why would I need that ? :D
[00:02] <zzecool> and there is quite good suport for linux too
[00:03] <zzecool> i use it on my windows mahcine output to the TV with hdmi and controling it with a PS3 bluetooth remote lol
[00:05] <glosoli> zzecool: aa, I don't use any windows machine, and don't own TV with HDMI ;D
[00:05] <zzecool> too bad then :(
[00:06] <zzecool> XBMC runs on ubuntu too
[00:06] <glosoli> Yea i know ;D  Seen that name in the past
[00:06] <glosoli> ok, gotta go to sleep tomorrow to college
[00:06] <glosoli> good night :)
[00:06] <zzecool> glosoli: ill go sleep too
[00:06] <zzecool> gn
[00:07] <velcom> ok, gn to you too
[00:07] <zzecool> velcom: goodnigh
[00:07] <velcom> bbye :) thanks for help
[00:07] <zzecool> np anytime i hope we will meet again
[00:07] <zzecool> i usally trolling on omgubuntu comments lo
[00:07] <zzecool> lol
[00:20] <log> I hate it when my crash reports are marked as duplicates of private bugs...
[01:51] <iguest> Installed updates today - looks like unity or X is now in an endless startup/fail loop. Any ideas what happend.
[05:47] <aQute> I updated my 12.04 alpha 2 yesterday and guess what my unity is uninstalled I am greeted with shady unity 2d well then I install unity again and its crappy as hell now my question is what are they trying to do make ubuntu stable and good or sink its name in sewers?
[05:50] <aQute> i there any place wherre I can give feedback on this cause I definitly like the ubuntu i had before my last update
[05:55] <urfr332g0> aQute, your running a development did you make sure you did not upgrade a partial upgrade?
[08:26] <huayra> hi there
[08:26] <huayra> I found out that when I log in the keyboard works as expected
[08:27] <huayra> (since some characters in my password re actiually in the numlock rea of the external USB keyboard
[08:31] <MrChrisDruif> So the layout in lightdm isn't correct huayra ?
[08:44] <Fudge> is there a channel or ppl here involved in ubuntu alternate installer
[08:49] <Stanley00> Fudge: I dont know, you can ask !alis, or ask the question here.
[08:50]  * MrChrisDruif isn't anyway
[08:51] <Fudge> Stanley00 I am wondering from a blind persons perspective the best way to accessibly install ubuntu server
[08:51] <Stanley00> Fudge: well, there is a ubuntu-server image, did you try it?
[08:54] <Fudge> Stanley00 not yet but plan to, I am gathering informatino after reading a long thread about people trying to do it, other blind folk
[08:55] <Fudge> Stanley00 information is my friend, such as if a console is available outside of the installer to set volume, load espeakup software synthisizer etc
[08:55] <vega-> hm, thunderbird seems to not work at the moment (it starts but with a blank screen, only top menus visible)
[08:56] <Stanley00> Fudge: well, I think after installed, you just need irssi (IRC client) and links (www browser) and an internet connection, if something go wrong, you can get whatever you need from those two :D
[08:57] <micahg> vega-: bug 933951
[08:57] <vega-> micahg: thanks, will check that
[08:58] <Fudge> Stanley00 I agree completely, it's the installing part which may be a problem, I shall try
[08:59] <Stanley00> Fudge: well, it's not so hard... I think :D
[09:00] <Fudge> Stanley00 I appreciate the confidence, care for a challenge? turn your monitor and off and do an install then :p
[09:03] <Stanley00> Fudge: ah, now I know what you mean by "a blind persons perspective", your monitor doesn't work??
[09:24] <vega-> micahg: thanks, that fixed it
[09:26] <Fudge> Stanley00  it works great, my eyes dont though, accept for seteing boxes come up on the screen, that is aout it
[09:26] <vega-> seems the calendar/clock is missing from my top bar also
[10:11] <jo-erlend> bah. Todays upgrade of Unity has loads of regressions. :(
[10:12] <jo-erlend> and Thunderbird is completely defunct. :/
[10:15] <jo-erlend> The system works about five minutes at a time, then I have to log out and back in. Everything stops working. Not good.
[10:19] <brendand> jo-erlend - i see the thunderbird thing (or rather, don't see it :P). unity is fine though, what graphics card you have?
[10:19] <jo-erlend> Radeon HD3100
[10:20] <jo-erlend> it works when I log in, but then it seems everything stops listening to my keyboard. I can switch to another console, but that's it. The Unity launcher responds to clicks, but nothing else.
[10:21] <jo-erlend> and it doesn't hide. Menus react to clicks, but the menus doesn't appear.
[10:23] <jo-erlend> it the apport dialog also made non-resizable now? I don't like all this scrolling. I don't understand why dialogs shouldn't be resizable.
[10:23] <jo-erlend> horizontal scrolling is really annoying.
[10:27] <jo-erlend> makes it extremely difficult to understand what the bug report contains. I hope that's just a bug and not a conscious decision.
[10:45] <vega-> jo-erlend: https://launchpad.net/bugs/933951
[10:46] <jo-erlend> vega-, I don'ẗ have lightning installed though.
[10:54] <Daekdroom> jo-erlend, me neither, and my thunderbird is unusable as well.
[10:55] <jo-erlend> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/93154739/thunderbird-empty.png <-- looks like that, right?
[10:56] <Daekdroom> Yep,.
[10:56] <vega-> mine was like that too
[10:56] <vega-> started with -safe-mode and checked "disable add-ons" and it worked
[10:57] <vega-> could be something similiar even though you don't have lightning?
[11:02] <TeTeT>  does anyone else have a corrupt xsession on precise? Instead of unity a single xterm is launched after login, can't figure out what's going wrong
[11:02] <vega-> i had that
[11:02] <vega-> fixed by "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[11:03] <vega-> apt removed unity at some point, due to something having to do with i386/amd64 packages and/or multiarch
[11:11] <TeTeT> vega-: I did that too, but the session remains corrupted. Oh well, I can start gnome-settings-daemon and unity manual for now, maybe need to remove some user specific config files
[11:14] <Daekdroom> On the Thunderbird matter, I could activate Global Menu Bar integration, but it won't work with Messaging Menu and Unity Launcher integration enabled
[11:22] <vega-> TeTeT: you could create a new, test user to verify if it's something in your home dir
[11:22] <TeTeT> vega-: good idea, will do so, thx
[11:23] <micahg> don't bother, a fix was uploaded to the archive already
[11:24] <TeTeT> micahg: awesome, thanks
[11:24] <micahg> thunderbird (11.0~b2+build2-0ubuntu3)
[11:24] <TeTeT> oh, bummer
[12:00] <TeTeT> on the non working unity session, 20x11-common_process-args from Xsession.d gets the arg '/usr/bin/xterm'. Not sure where this is specified. any advice on how this Xsession.d stuff is being handled?
[12:26] <webm0nk3y> [   63.337953] unity-greeter[7840]: segfault at 0 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>40abb8 sp 00007fff44f69b50 error 4 in unity-greeter[400000+26000]
[12:26] <alkisg> Is anyone else experiencing thunderbird empty windows after today's updates?
[12:26] <webm0nk3y> my computer is stuck ^^
[12:31] <Daekdroom> alkisg, start it in command line with 'thunderbird -safe-mode', disable all addons, select to restart it. Then leave the unity messaging menu integration addon disabled.
[12:31] <Daekdroom> The package is being rebuilt with a fix.
[12:31] <alkisg> Thank you Daekdroom
[12:33] <Daekdroom> Oh. The update is available already :D
[12:34] <alkisg> Haha, ok, let me re-enable them and update instead...
[12:35] <glosoli> anyone else is getting screen coruptions while logging in using proprietary drivers ?
[12:36] <webm0nk3y> glosoli: I get it with nvidia-common
[12:36] <webm0nk3y> glosoli: more like a collage of all the history of using my computer
[12:38] <glosoli> webm0nk3y: Hmm but when it loggs in completely it dissappears yes ?
[12:38] <webm0nk3y> glosoli: yep
[12:38] <webm0nk3y> glosoli: the system worked fine
[12:38] <glosoli> webm0nk3y: Is it reported in launchpad ?
[12:39] <glosoli> :?
[12:39] <webm0nk3y> glosoli: i do not know, would not know how to even search for it on LP
[12:40] <glosoli> ah
[12:50] <webm0nk3y> oh my... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/845730/
[12:50] <webm0nk3y> i wish i could boot
[13:19] <jo-erlend> can someone please confirm that the apport dialog to show what will be reported is not resizable?
[13:20] <jokerdino> it is not resizable.
[13:20] <jo-erlend> that is an extreme regression.
[13:20] <jo-erlend> it's nearly unusable.
[13:23] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, is it supposed to be that way?
[13:24] <jokerdino> I can't verify that.
[13:24] <jokerdino> i haven't seen any bug reported regarding this behavior.
[13:30] <jokerdino> jo-erlend: i suggest you file a bug report regarding this
[13:30] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, it's relatively far down the list of regressions from todays upgrade.
[13:31] <jokerdino> jo-erlend: i agree. i note that a lot of bugs have creeped in.
[13:31] <micahg> jo-erlend: bug 930562?
[13:31] <jokerdino> micahg: you could be right
[13:32] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, my system became almost unusable after the upgrade today. To make things worse, I forgot to take a snapshot before upgrading. Beating myself up over that one.
[13:33] <jokerdino> hah, taking a snapshot might have been useful
[13:34] <jo-erlend> yes, that's why I switched to btrfs in the first place. :)
[13:35] <jokerdino> i have another peculiar bug. open a terminal window, try to move it by clicking on the title bar and moving it around. and have fun with the bug.
[13:36] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, that causes no issues here. What happens?
[13:36] <jo-erlend> I had to switch to metacity with gnome-panel, though. Compiz is completely unusable now.
[13:36] <jokerdino> if i click on it and try to move it, it grabs my mouse and keeps moving the terminal around. i can't escape it in anyway possible.
[13:37] <jo-erlend> hehe
[13:37] <Ian_Corne> press the windows key!
[13:37] <jo-erlend> my numlock LED went insane earlier today. I think it thought it was the HDD LED or something. It's always fun when you get these amounts of regressions on a Friday afternoon.
[13:37] <jokerdino> i press alt + f4 and close the darn window
[13:38] <jokerdino> oh yeah, it keeps you occupied over the weekend.
[13:39] <jokerdino> Ian_Corne: pressing windows key does no difference.
[13:40] <jo-erlend> if ubiquity supports btrfs now, I think I'll test it.
[13:42] <jokerdino> i think being able to revert to a previous version should be useful. if i remember, there is a system restore in windows that lets you do exactly that.
[13:42] <jokerdino> with version i mean a previous state.
[13:42] <Ian_Corne> ok jokerdino :p
[13:47] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, with btrfs you don't even have to revert. You can just boot the system as it was at a specific point in time.
[13:48] <jokerdino> i wonder why it is not implemented.
[13:53] <jo-erlend> why what is?
[13:53] <jokerdino> btrfs that is.
[13:54] <jo-erlend> it is implemented. I'm using it now.
[13:54] <jokerdino> does your menus and buttons have icons now?
[13:54] <jo-erlend> in gnome-panel they do.
[13:54] <jokerdino> i see, i never used btrfs
[13:55] <jo-erlend> it's not particularly user friendly yet, though.
[13:56] <jokerdino> learning something new should be fun,
[13:57] <jokerdino> i can't disable menus with icons. :(
[13:58] <jo-erlend> btrfs is certainly worth spending some time to learn.
[14:01] <jokerdino> also, the expo using mouse over is broken.
[14:01] <jokerdino> i had set compiz to show all applications when i mouse over to the top right. now it is no longer working :(
[14:01] <glosoli> jokerdino: it's already reported
[14:02] <jokerdino> bug ##?
[14:02] <glosoli> jo-erlend: it just shows applications from current workspace yes ?
[14:02] <glosoli> jokerdino: '''''' this was meant for you
[14:02] <jo-erlend> glosoli, what does?
[14:02] <jo-erlend> oh. :)
[14:02] <jokerdino> nothing gets exposed.
[14:02] <glosoli> jo-erlend: sorry
[14:02] <jo-erlend> no worries. :)
[14:02] <glosoli> jokerdino: even Super (Windows Key) +W doesn't work ?
[14:03] <jokerdino> and well, super + w only shows the apps in the current workspace.
[14:03] <jokerdino> super + w works. partly.
[14:04] <glosoli> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz-core/+bug/933776 << Affects you
[14:05] <jokerdino> subscribed to it.
[14:05] <glosoli> jokerdino: you might write in comments that screen edge also not orking for you
[14:06] <glosoli> although screen edge works for me just fine, but only for current workspace in btw, have you done updates already ?
[14:06] <glosoli> there was a couple of compiz updates in the morning
[14:07] <jokerdino> oh wait, it works now.
[14:07] <jokerdino> just updated.
[14:07] <glosoli> jo-erlend: but still for current workspace yes ?
[14:07] <jo-erlend> …
[14:08] <jokerdino> glosoli: yep
[14:08] <jokerdino> i am sorry jo-erlend
[14:08] <jo-erlend> :)
[14:09] <glosoli> ah :DD once again, that tab button fails me :(
[14:09] <glosoli> jokerdino: press in that link that bu affects you too
[14:10] <jokerdino> yes i did :)
[14:10] <jokerdino> This bug affects you and 4 other people Edit
[14:10] <jokerdino> and i find it really hard to read the shortcut overlay
[14:12] <jokerdino> http://i.stack.imgur.com/9DSMn.png
[14:12] <jrgifford> jokerdino, it works fine here.
[14:13] <jokerdino> jrgifford: i can only see through the overlay
[14:14] <jrgifford> odd, http://i.imgur.com/s38oi.png
[14:14] <jrgifford> oh, did you get the *latest* compiz update?
[14:14] <jrgifford> that might fix it.
[14:14] <jokerdino> how latest?
[14:15] <jokerdino> i see that it is being chameleonic like the dash
[14:15] <jrgifford> um, hangon. lemme grab the version
[14:17] <jrgifford> compiz-core:amd64 (<IP_ADDRESS>~bzr2995-0ubuntu3, <IP_ADDRESS>~bzr2995-0ubuntu4)
[14:17] <jrgifford> that was what I installed at 12:50 UTC
[14:18] <jokerdino> $ compiz --version
[14:18] <jokerdino> Compiz <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:18] <jrgifford> there is a unity update that just come up since then though, let me install that and see if i can replicate it.
[14:18] <jokerdino> i see, you are on PPA?
[14:19] <jrgifford> yes, but i haven't gotten anything from the PPA so far today, but the unity coming at me from the archive is 5.4
[14:20] <jokerdino> not here though, still on 5.2
[14:20] <jo-erlend> Compiz 0.9.7 seems to be extremely slow compared to previous versions. Do others have the same experience?
[14:20] <jrgifford> jo-erlend, not for me. what graphics card?
[14:21] <glosoli> for me everything is fine :)
[14:21] <jo-erlend> Radeon HD3100
[14:21] <jokerdino> no graphics card here. so no diff.
[14:21] <jo-erlend> this is on my mobo.
[14:22] <glosoli> I have ATI mobility Radeon HD57301GB
[14:22] <jo-erlend> I had to take out my HD5850 in order to connect external disks. :)
[14:22] <glosoli> you have laptop ?
[14:24] <jrgifford> I have a Radeon HD 6320, working fine here.
[14:25] <jo-erlend> glosoli, this is a desktop.
[14:25] <jrgifford> jokerdino, brb. going to try the unity update that landed and see if i can replicate it.
[14:25] <jokerdino> sure.
[14:25] <jo-erlend> is 5.4 available now?
[14:25] <jokerdino> it is from the staging ppa
[14:25] <jrgifford> jo-erlend, yes 5.4 is available in the main archive.
[14:25] <jrgifford> thats what I just updated to.
[14:26] <jokerdino> i am upgrading now then.
[14:26] <jokerdino> jo-erlend: what packages should i be installing for btrfs?
[14:26] <jo-erlend> oh... It might not be Compiz that's slow after all. I just noticed that gnome-settings-daemon uses 100% CPU.
[14:26] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, btrfs-progsa
[14:26] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, btrfs-progs
[14:27] <jo-erlend> uhm... That's not right
[14:27] <jrgifford> jokerdino, its working fine here.
[14:27] <jrgifford> can't replicate the bug you talked about
[14:27] <jokerdino> well, never mind then.
[14:27] <jokerdino> you know, i can't get lightdm to show my wallpaper either :/
[14:28] <jo-erlend> «apt-btrfs-snapshot - Automatically create snapshot on apt operations» <-- That's certainly interesting! :)
[14:28] <jokerdino> do you use the contest one or the individual wallpaper?
[14:28] <jrgifford> jokerdino, do you have an encrypted homedir?
[14:28] <jokerdino> no.
[14:28] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, btrfs itself is in the kernel though.
[14:29] <jokerdino> oh i see.
[14:29] <jrgifford> let me change the wallpaper and have another look.
[14:30] <jrgifford> jokerdino, confirmed that the wallpaper doesn't change.
[14:31] <jokerdino> so, if i use the slideshow, it doesn't change. hmm
[14:32] <jrgifford> jokerdino, bug you're looking at looks like this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/923481
[14:33] <jokerdino> confirmed it.
[14:34] <jrgifford> jo-erlend, thanks for the mention of apt-btrfs-snapshot, that'll come in handy for next cycle when we have all sorts of crazy things landing left and right. :P
[14:35] <jokerdino> i believe we should document it in the site when 12.04 is released.
[14:35] <jokerdino> ask ubuntu site yeah
[14:35] <jrgifford> jokerdino, what should we document?
[14:36] <jokerdino> the brtfs thingie
[14:37] <arand> The btrfs wiki page could use some love in general, a bit too much fluff there currently...
[14:37] <jo-erlend> I suspect that btrfs will be default in 12.10.
[14:37] <jokerdino> what do you mean by default?
[14:37] <jo-erlend> that if will be used instead of ext4 for clean installs.
[14:37] <arand> I doubt that... But you never know
[14:37] <jrgifford> jokerdino, odd - when I run lightdm in --test-mode, wallpaper changes for me now.
[14:37] <jo-erlend> arand, why do you doubt that?
[14:38] <jokerdino> jrgifford: i shall take a look later
[14:38] <arand> jo-erlend: Because it's still marked as experimental.
[14:38] <jrgifford> btrfs isn't stable enough for right now, but thats what i use for / - i need ext3 for /home because of the lucid install I keep around. :P
[14:39] <jo-erlend> well, if it's stable enough for use in enterprise Linux, I think it'll be stable enough for 12.10.
[14:39] <jokerdino> i will be back later
[14:40] <jrgifford> cya jokerdino
[14:46] <tomodachi> jrgifford: cant you use ext4 anyway?  i remember it being backward compatible with ext3, hence you can mount it as ext3
[14:46] <tomodachi> in your older distribution
[14:46] <jrgifford> oh? Ok, i wish I had known that.
[14:47]  * jrgifford makes note to self about his next install
[14:47] <jokerdino> ok i am back
[14:55] <jo-erlend> heh... Please don't install apt-btrfs-snapshots...
[14:55] <jo-erlend> it completely breaks apt.
[14:55] <jokerdino> oops
[14:56] <jokerdino> err, i installed it and apt-get works here..
[14:56] <jo-erlend> it does?
[14:56] <jo-erlend> ah, that's not so strange. It can't find a btrfs filesystem to take a snapshot of, so it'll probably just skip it.
[14:57] <jokerdino> oh i guess it is that way
[14:57] <jo-erlend> in my case, the root filesystem is a btrfs, and it fails, so all apt-get operations are aborted – including the removal of apt-btrfs-snapshots.
[14:57] <jokerdino> wow that sucks
[14:58] <jcook_5xdata> needs some help I am tring to install a i386 deb file in a 64 bit install. in ubuntu (gnome) the installer will down load the need i386 package and install the app. how do i do this kde
[14:59] <jo-erlend> jokerdino, dpkg doesn't break that easily though. :)
[15:00] <jokerdino> you should be happy haha
[15:00] <jcook_5xdata> wrong channel should I go to Kubuntu?
[15:00] <jokerdino> i guess that is a wiser move
[15:01] <jcook_5xdata> Just tring to get up to speed in plasma  when the sparkle  come out :)
[15:03] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, I'm upgrading now. Still unity 5.2 in main?
[15:03] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, sure you're not using a PPA?
[15:04] <jo-erlend> nevermind...
[15:04] <jrgifford> jo-erlend, yes.
[15:04] <jrgifford> be warned
[15:04] <jrgifford> i ended up killing my theme
[15:04] <jrgifford> and there is no known bugfix for that
[15:04] <jo-erlend> heh...
[15:04] <jo-erlend> that's the least of my worries.
[15:05] <jrgifford> heh, figured as much, just wanted to warn you.
[15:05] <jo-erlend> everything hit the fan here today. If I can start using Unity again at all, that'll be an improvement.
[15:07] <petrovv> what are the plans concerning Cinnamon inclusion (or any other Gnome 3.* forks)?
[15:07] <arand> Isn't cinnamon an extension rather?
[15:11] <glosoli> hope they don't include cinnamon :)
[15:11] <arand> Hmm, I'm thinking of another thing...
[15:12] <glosoli> in btw, hate seeing a lot of ubuntu forks growing up without future and asking people for donations while they do nothing just add different themes and icon sets
[15:13] <arand> Well, Mint does quite a lot of good stuff, but the decision to fork gnome3 may not be one of them, though in that regard they're in the same seat as Ubuntu ;)
[15:14] <valdur55> Yea. It's quite simple to add linux mint repo and istall cinnamon :)
[15:15] <petrovv> oic, thanks
[15:16] <glosoli> arand: yes, mint is different story, clem is doing lm as a full time job :) but I  and many of my friends from now on, are really liking unity, and feeling it has a bright future :)
[15:17] <petrovv> Unity - in the sense of WM environment?
[15:17] <petrovv> or lack of forking?
[15:17] <arand> WM
[15:18] <glosoli> Cinnamon for me looks like  a ship with its anchor holding to the past and making pause for evolution :D
[15:19] <petrovv> glosoli, I tried Gnome 3.* on Fedora 15 and found it to be heavily mouse oriented, what about keyboard users (unless I miss somehting)
[15:19] <arand> If cinnamon was included it would quite obviuosly be a universe package and non-default. And I guess it would enter via Debian rather than any Ubuntu-specific effort.
[15:19] <glosoli> petrovv: Cinnamon is also gnome 3.x :DD
[15:20] <arand> petrovv: I use G3 and finds it quite keyboard-friendly.
[15:20] <glosoli> IMO, i have enough usage of keyboard in ubuntu with unity, quite like it from now on, was never a big keyboard shortcuts fan before
[15:21] <glosoli> petrovv: Would you mind telling us, what you can't do with keyboard in Gnome 3 ?
[15:22] <petrovv> glosoli, all the kb shortcuts I learned before do not work, I do not have the list handy, but if you compare the actual shortcuts assignments, Gnome Shell has something like 1/3rd of what Gnome 2.* provides
[15:22] <glosoli> petrovv: you are making a big mistake telling about it lacks of keyboard shortcuts for gnome 3 :) Gnome-Shell is WM
[15:22] <glosoli> Gnome 3 is DE which is also used by Cinnamon
[15:22] <petrovv> glosoli, say, Ctrl-Alt-D for minimizind all the windows currently open
[15:23] <petrovv> sorry
[15:23] <glosoli> petrovv: me either don't like gnome shell :) That's why I love Unity
[15:23] <petrovv> ok, need to try unity then (I'm on 10.04 currently and cannot be happier for a while)
[15:23] <glosoli> petrovv: Wait for full version 12.04 :)
[15:24] <arand> petrovv: Thats basically since minimise isn't really a concept in gnome-shell, I'd say you're meant to use a new WS for that...
[15:24] <jokerdino> 12.04 has the snappier version of unity thus far
[15:24] <glosoli> jokerdino: what does word snappier mean ?
[15:25] <jokerdino> snappier meaning feeling nice to use and handle
[15:25] <glosoli> jokerdino: ah, yes it is :) UNity 5.4 will soon be in repos
[15:26] <glosoli> some of the libs already upgraded
[15:26] <jokerdino> i can't wait for 5.4
[15:26] <petrovv> arand, what's WS?
[15:27] <arand> workspace
[15:27]  * petrovv thinks he need to read some FAQs like back in 1998 :-)
[15:27] <glosoli> arand: tryed some weeks ago to use windows, was feeling crazy not having workspace, after that, just kicked the MS ass out of my computer and left only pangolin here ;D
[15:29] <petrovv> how is workspace different from WM and from Desktop Environment?
[15:29] <arand> glosoli: Hmm, I don't actually miss workspaces as much as the "scale" overview.
[15:30] <glosoli> arand: yes, this one too, but now I have nothing to miss, coz being fully ubuntized
[15:30] <glosoli> petrovv: Workspace is smth like the number of desktops
[15:30] <glosoli> petrovv: one desktop 1 workspace , 2 desktops  - 2 workspaces, talking by slang
[15:31] <petrovv> glosoli, then how is it different from pager in older WMs?
[15:31] <jo-erlend> just upgraded, and now things are _much_ better wrt Unity, Compiz and graphics in general.
[15:32] <glosoli> jo-erlend: I can't do dist-upgrade because of dependencies for now, if I do ,i will get unity ant unity-2d removed :D
[15:32] <glosoli> petrovv: hmm, probably not much, just in Gnome Shell it's much more easier to use, and it is focused on it
[15:33] <jo-erlend> glosoli, right. I did a plain upgrade. I did a dist-upgrade this morning, which is when everything went pear shaped.
[15:33] <glosoli> jo-erlend: with simple upgrade yiu probably don't have all unity parts 5.4 version
[15:33] <zzecool> glosoli:  ;p
[15:33] <glosoli> zzecool: Hey ;D
[15:33] <zzecool> :)
[15:34] <petrovv> glosoli, perhaps offtopic, but if you are forced to use MS Win at work or elsewhere you may want to try the DexPot WS manager
[15:34] <petrovv> glosoli, it gives you up to 20 workspaces and other things like rotating cube, for example
[15:35] <glosoli> petrovv: hmm, seen this one some time before, but I felt like it was pretty slow
[15:38] <zzecool> glosoli: do you have dependencies for unity and unity 2d?
[15:38] <zzecool> glosoli: it seems i cant do a dist upgrade yet
[15:38] <zzecool> it is going to rmeove unity - 2d
[15:39] <glosoli> zzecool: same here, waiting ;D
[15:39] <zzecool> :P
[15:39] <zzecool> its beta freeze today
[15:39] <Daekdroom> I believe unity-2d has to be rebuilt against lastest libunity
[15:39] <glosoli> yeah, finally ;D
[15:39] <zzecool> :)
[15:39] <glosoli> Daekdroom: you're right
[15:39] <zzecool> i hope dodge active window stay as it is or all take my gun  lol ;p
[15:40] <Daekdroom> dodge active window was removed already.
[15:40] <glosoli> haha ;D
[15:40] <zzecool> when ?
[15:40] <glosoli> week ago :DD
[15:40] <zzecool> im using it right now
[15:40] <zzecool> you are wrong
[15:40] <zzecool> its there
[15:40] <glosoli> it won't be removed
[15:40] <Daekdroom> Ah. That is because I'm using the unity-ppa
[15:40] <glosoli> it just became unsuported
[15:40] <Daekdroom> It WILL be removed.
[15:40] <Daekdroom> I don't have it in CCSM anymore.
[15:40] <zzecool> rly?
[15:40] <glosoli> so what  ?
[15:41] <glosoli> you have it in system
[15:41] <glosoli> :)
[15:41] <Daekdroom> It's just that the ubuntu repos have a slightly older version of Unity.
[15:41] <glosoli> It can be set by gsettings
[15:41] <Daekdroom> And that 5.4 update will remove dodge (active) windows.
[15:41] <glosoli> hmm
[15:41] <Daekdroom> Can it?
[15:41] <Daekdroom> I want to try
[15:41] <zzecool> They are stupid enought to kill the best launcher feature
[15:41] <zzecool> whata dorks
[15:41] <zzecool> ........
[15:41] <zzecool> i hope you are wrong
[15:41] <Daekdroom> I did like dodge active windows too.
[15:41] <glosoli> Daekdroom: wait I will try toget command from my friend
[15:42] <zzecool> glosoli: no need for a command
[15:42] <glosoli> but he is using older version probably coz he is on main server too
[15:42] <glosoli> aa :)
[15:42] <zzecool> Daekdroom: do you have gconf installed?
[15:42] <Daekdroom> Sure I do
[15:42] <zzecool> ok wait
[15:46] <zzecool> Daekdroom:  open gconf and navigated to /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options and then set launcher_hide_mode to 3
[15:46] <zzecool> and please tell me the results
[15:47] <Daekdroom> Nothing happened.
[15:47] <zzecool> the removed the code...........
[15:47] <zzecool> they8
[15:47] <Daekdroom> If I set it to 1, it autohides. If I set it to 3, it stays as it was
[15:48] <zzecool> 2?
[15:48] <zzecool> is 2 working ?
[15:48] <glosoli> gconftool -s -t int /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options/ launcher_hide_mode 2
[15:48] <zzecool> glosoli: its the same think
[15:48] <Daekdroom> Not working either
[15:48] <zzecool> so they removed the code
[15:48] <zzecool> ............
[15:48] <zzecool> we are doomed
[15:49] <zzecool> until some nice guy patches the unity with the cade again
[15:49] <Daekdroom> Dodge windows did poorly in the user testing.
[15:49] <zzecool> code
[15:49] <zzecool> Daekdroom: BULLSHITS
[15:49] <zzecool> i dont wanna start this
[15:49] <jokerdino> zzecool: what is your issue here?
[15:50] <Daekdroom> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/mark-shuttleworth-explains-dodge-ditch-decision-in-precise/
[15:50] <zzecool> jokerdino: nothing but its nice that if someone says a bad word activity appears
[15:50] <glosoli> Haha, Iam with canonical
[15:50] <zzecool> :)
[15:50] <jokerdino> user testing involves people who barely know anything about interface and design
[15:50] <jokerdino> so when they see launcher disappear they panick.
[15:50] <zzecool> jokerdino:  true
[15:50] <Daekdroom> jokerdino, most people that Ubuntu target don't know anything about interface and design.
[15:51] <zzecool> make the launcher always on bu default and leave dosge for us is not bad
[15:51] <zzecool> Why is autohide better than Dodge someone tell me 1 reason
[15:51] <zzecool> ...................
[15:51] <Daekdroom> I honestly don't know.
[15:51] <zzecool> There is no reason
[15:51] <glosoli> There is :)
[15:51] <Daekdroom> Maybe the 'dodge (active) windows' behaviour is confusing.
[15:51] <zzecool> tell me
[15:52] <glosoli> Why is dodge windows better than autohide ? ;D
[15:52] <zzecool> how can be confusing when i deside to use it
[15:52] <Daekdroom> For some time, I thought it was exactly the same thing as autohide, to be honest.
[15:52] <jokerdino> probably they didn't want to maintain something that they are not interested in.
[15:52] <zzecool> because dodge give you the launcher when there is nothing on the desktop and Unity IS ALL ABOUT THE LAUNCER
[15:52] <glosoli> Mark is going the right way - thinking of daily users, not power users, otherwise, ubuntu has no future.
[15:52] <zzecool> Active icons etc
[15:52] <glosoli> :)
[15:53] <tom95> hi, I installed libsocialweb for using its dbus, but it doesn't show up in d-feet. do I have to run it explicitly or may the package be brocken?
[15:53] <Daekdroom> It's not going to be exposed to the users under the appearance options, so they removed the option.
[15:53] <jokerdino> that makes sense.
[15:53] <glosoli> Daekdroom: simplicity is the best
[15:53] <glosoli> :)
[15:53] <zzecool> glosoli: you cant get it
[15:54] <Daekdroom> It could stay there over ccsm, but what's the point if they're trying to move the options to the GNOME Control Panel, right?
[15:54] <glosoli> Sure I can :) YOu think of yourself, Mark thinks of daily users :)
[15:54] <zzecool> a launcher always on = bug you can press icons on accident
[15:54] <bazhang> zzecool, lets get back to bug tracking and fixing please
[15:54] <zzecool> while working
[15:54] <glosoli> Daekdroom: there is, people who has not enough knowledge might crash desktop with ccsm :)
[15:54] <jokerdino> hey, i honestly think there should be dodge windows, but not visible to everyone.
[15:54] <zzecool> bazhang: i dont get you i can express my thoughts here no ?
[15:54] <glosoli> zzecool: Mac OS X users have their launcher always on, they have no problem so far :) neither windows users
[15:55] <Daekdroom> I don't see why remove it. It shouldn't be that hard to maintain.
[15:55] <bazhang> zzecool, this is not the debate channel, no
[15:55] <jo-erlend> glosoli, I have a fair amount of experience, and I've been able to cause serious issues with ccsm without knowing why or how.
[15:55] <zzecool> yes because most UIs dont have their control to the bottom
[15:55] <glosoli> jo-erlend: as I said :)
[15:55] <jokerdino> bazhang: "#ubuntu+1 Discussion and support for Precise Pangolin"
[15:56] <zzecool> bazhang: chill out
[15:56] <glosoli> This can be debate channel if topic is Precise Pangolin
[15:56] <bazhang> jokerdino, within limits. bug fixing and tracking is the main purpose
[15:56] <zzecool> then what about ubuntu-bugs/
[15:56] <KBentley57> hey guys, can someone link me to the kernel config for the latest alpha build?
[15:56] <bazhang> zzecool, file a wishlist bug if a feature is removed
[15:57] <zzecool> so its a bug for me and i like to discuss it
[15:57] <zzecool> dont continue on this please
[15:57] <glosoli> it's not a bug :)
[15:58] <zzecool> it is for me
[15:58] <glosoli> lol
[15:58] <glosoli> don't act like a kid, Mark gave a public article why that feature will be removed, so it's not a bug dude.
[15:58] <zzecool> it can result on different opperation i was expect too
[15:59] <zzecool> glosoli: i read it and failed to understand any reason.   Because a first time user found that dodge is confusing we remove the feature?
[16:00] <zzecool> glosoli: if we are going to adjust ubuntu like this for the first impression only remove the terminal too please
[16:00] <glosoli> zzecool: CANONICAL doesn't feel like maintaining feature which is not needed for daily users.
[16:00] <zzecool> glosoli: its confusing this black and white thing
[16:00] <glosoli> If ubuntu continue on focusing to power users,  it will soon die
[16:00] <zzecool> Terminal must be removed too
[16:00] <zzecool> then
[16:00] <glosoli> Terminal is in Mac OS X also
[16:00] <zzecool> not an application for daily user
[16:00] <glosoli> windows also has cmd
[16:01] <glosoli> ah , no offense, don't want to talk with offensive people who are aged enough but acts like a kiddos.
[16:01] <zzecool> it comes in conflict with canonical statement
[16:01] <philinux> No more dodge Windows article. For anyone who has not seen it. http://www.techdrivein.com/2012/02/no-more-dodge-windows-in-unity-global.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+techdrivein+%28Tech+Drive-in%29
[16:01] <glosoli> decission was made, you want it or not. Linux users have too much freedom, so when some changes come, they cry
[16:02] <zzecool> glosoli:  ubuntu must listen to their usebase and if you read over omgubuntu  95% of the user  want the feature because its is a must for them
[16:02] <glosoli> 95 omg ubuntu users are power users
[16:03] <glosoli> :))
[16:03] <zzecool> glosoli: and please dont say to me that im acting like a kid
[16:03] <glosoli> 95 percent''
[16:03] <glosoli> omgubuntu is quite a blog, but most of the community and commentators are power users.
[16:03] <zzecool> so ?
[16:04] <glosoli> THey don't like any restriction, And they will never like, but some day they will realise there was too much :)
[16:04] <Pici> I'm unsure what you hope to accomplish here zzecool.
[16:04] <zzecool> nothing im just express my feelings about this
[16:05] <zzecool> it sis somehting that i use every day and i dont like to be removed
[16:05] <zzecool> is*
[16:05] <zzecool> simple as that
[16:05] <glosoli> zzecool: So develop :)
[16:05] <Pici> zzecool: Well you're talking to users here, not developers, not Canonical, not Mark. And for the most part, no one wants to hear someone just endlessly complain about things.
[16:06] <Pici> If you want to try to make a difference, you've been given your options.
[16:06] <glosoli> You don't want to change it ? Start learning, be programmer, develop then you will understand, that you need resources to maintain such a big projects, and some features from time to time have to be dithec
[16:06] <glosoli> ditched''
[16:07] <zzecool> glosoli: the code is there no need to develop somehting
[16:07] <glosoli> zzecool: there need to keep support for it
[16:07] <glosoli> depending on version of unity
[16:07] <glosoli> to make bug fixes if smth goes wrong
[16:07] <glosoli> for example
[16:07] <glosoli> wobbly plugin isn't updated since 2008
[16:07] <glosoli> Now it's buggy with latest unity :)
[16:08] <zzecool> we are not speaking about 3rd party plugin here we speak about unity
[16:09] <zzecool> nevermind soon a ppa while jump out with the feature back on
[16:09] <glosoli> zzecool: here we speaking about your anger to the project and it's developers who make changes.
[16:11] <zzecool> glosoli: i dont rly thing you know what you are saying
[16:13] <glosoli> I'm saying that from time to time there will probably come even more changes you don't like, and it will definitely happen, you need to accept some things and give and opportunity for replacements who will be supported, dunno why, but I like the way Mark is doing this, he wants to make Precise or any other release even better not for old users only, but to attract more public :)
[16:13] <glosoli> This is abstract opinion not only about "dodge" feature
[16:14] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Do you know if HUD will be available with Unity 5.4  ?
[16:15] <Daekdroom> glosoli, it is.
[16:17] <glosoli> Daekdroom: hmm, waiting patiently then :)
[16:17] <zzecool> Canonical should listen to their users this is what i can say
[16:17] <philinux> glosoli:  It's arrived. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/precise-changes/2012-February/010151.html
[16:18] <glosoli> zzecool: from your point "power users" only :)
[16:18] <glosoli> philinux: gotta apt-get update, to see if dependencies been fixed :)
[16:18] <zzecool> of cource not
[16:18] <philinux> glosoli: I'm just firing up my chroot
[16:20] <zzecool> glosoli: when i have my app maximized i want to see the app and when nothing is maximized i want to see the laucnher and the info form the active icons.
[16:20] <philinux> glosoli: dist-upgrade still wants to remove > ubuntu-desktop unity-2d unity-2d-launcher unity-2d-places
[16:20] <glosoli> zzecool: I understand, I also liked dodge, but I live fine with always show now :)
[16:20] <zzecool> glosoli: th firs time user after some months will not be first time user and gonna like features like this
[16:21] <glosoli> zzecool: for me only wants to remove unity-2d now
[16:21] <glosoli> have anyone got any ideas if unity-2d is needed to run unity-3d ?
[16:21] <zzecool> im not going to continue if they remove dodge
[16:21] <zzecool> i will wait till ppa comes out
[16:22] <zzecool> i cant work without dodge
[16:22] <zzecool> gonna try on virtual machine
[16:24] <philinux> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/unity-5-4-lands-in-precise-brings-hud-video-lens-minor-ui-changes/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%29
[16:24] <glosoli> philinux: One dependency for me now, unity-2d fixed and I can dist-upgrade
[16:25] <Daekdroom> glosoli, it is not.
[16:25] <glosoli> then doing upgrade
[16:26] <glosoli> brb
[16:27] <zzecool> its not a depend  they just upgrade gir1.2
[16:27] <zzecool> oh he logged ;/
[16:27] <valdur55> Unity-2d uses HUD ?
[16:27] <zzecool> i dont know
[16:27] <philinux> The new video lens looks good
[16:27] <zzecool> it is yes
[16:27] <zzecool> :)
[16:28] <Daekdroom> I wish it'd support YouTube, tho.
[16:28] <zzecool> there is allrdy support for youtube
[16:29] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Do I need to install thoose video search lens somehow ?
[16:30] <Daekdroom> zzecool, Not by default
[16:31] <Daekdroom> I mean, those options don't let me search through all YouTube content, apparently.
[16:31] <glosoli> I don't have it at all
[16:31] <Daekdroom> glosoli, unity-video-lens package
[16:31] <glosoli> E: Unable to locate package unity-video-lens
[16:31] <Daekdroom> Maybe it's unity-lens-video
[16:32] <glosoli> Ah, yes
[16:34] <philinux> aptitude safe-upgrade has sorted it here.
[16:36] <glosoli> philinux sudo apt-get safe-upgrade ?
[16:37] <philinux> glosoli: no that woulf be apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:38] <philinux> And that give those packages above I qouted ans being removed
[16:38] <Daekdroom> I wouldn't use aptitude for now.
[16:38] <glosoli> nothing being removed for me happy to use 5.4 niw
[16:38] <Daekdroom> It can't handle multiarch.
[16:38] <glosoli> now''
[16:38] <Daekdroom> (which means it's ok to use in i386 :P)
[16:39] <philinux> Daekdroom: Seem to have got away with it on this occasion -
[16:39] <glosoli> Daekdroom: Ubuntu Dash Icon is a bit greyed isn't it ?
[16:41] <Daekdroom> glosoli, Try changing your wallpaper.
[16:41] <glosoli> Daekdroom: aaah, i see what they done here :D
[16:42] <Daekdroom> I was a bit confused at first too because my wallpaper makes it greyish-blue.
[16:42] <glosoli> Daekdroom: sane gere ;D but with Edge Illimunate turned on for icons, it looks like it was before
[16:42] <glosoli> ;D
[16:44] <philinux> Daekdroom: I'm not sure its multi arch more this. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/592336/comments/19
[16:44] <glosoli> Daekdroom: But As I understand HUD is not searching only in current app, it searches in all, giving priority to the current ?
[16:45] <Daekdroom> philinux, removal of aptitude happened some versions ago. The thing now is that 12.04 is moving on to multiarch for 32-bit packages in x64 systems, and aptitude can't handle that yet. So installing wine, for example, makes aptitude break everything.
[16:45] <Daekdroom> bug 831768
[16:46] <Daekdroom> Ah. Oneiric used multiarch already. My bad.
[16:46] <Daekdroom> If you're not going to use 32-bit packages, it doesn't matter anyway.
[16:48] <Milos_SD> Hello guys
[16:49] <Milos_SD> I have little problem with compiz... I can't use expo plugin and applications switcher (not as it is attended to)...when I activate expo, it starts using a lot of cpu, there is a lot of I/O wait, everything freez for a moment, and if it shows the expo, all desktops are white. Sometimes after using expo, there is a lot of garbage on my screen.
[16:50] <Milos_SD> Something similar is happening when I use applications switcher.  Previews of windows are all white, and sometimes I get garbage on screen while app switcher is active. What is the problem here?
[17:00] <johnjohn101> weird stuff going on with updates today
[17:00] <Daekdroom> johnjohn101, for example?
[17:04] <johnjohn101> well update manager zonks out
[17:05] <jo-erlend> are you able to watch video with VLC in todays Precise? It was working very nicely yesterday, but now I'm logged out immediately whenever I try.
[17:06] <jo-erlend> hmm. come to think of it... I used the radeon driver and not fglrx yesterday. Perhaps that's the culprit?
[17:08] <johnjohn101> i think i'll wait until Monday to do an update, same thing happened yesterday as well.
[17:17] <jo-erlend> yup. Removing fglrx seems to have fixed some of the issues.
[17:37] <KBentley57> would someone post their stock 12.04 kernel config?
[17:42] <philinux> KBentley57: Sorry not got one here. cat: /usr/src/linux/.config: No such file or directory
[17:43] <philinux> Unless it's kept in another location?
[17:45] <trism> philinux: /boot/config-$(uname -r)
[17:48] <KBentley57> thanks trism, I never knew it was there. However, I still need the 12.04 config if you don't care to pastebin it
[17:49] <trism> KBentley57: once my update finishes I'll pastebin it unless someone else gets around to it first
[17:51] <KBentley57> thanks trism
[18:03] <trism> KBentley57: http://paste.ubuntu.com/846154/
[18:24] <zzecool> glosoli: and here we are ppl already start complaining  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/930148
[18:24] <zzecool> probably he didnt know what was going on
[18:34] <glosoli> zzecool: But shouldn't it be marked as a wish not as a bug ?
[18:34] <glosoli> zzecool: I am with you, if you get Dodge windows or smth like that back, I used to like it, but when it's gone it's gone, I am always for the evolution :)
[18:35] <zzecool> glosoli: i didnt see anything like that before , i saw you offensive and acting like a kid "calling me old that act like a kiddo"     but i didnt want to continue on that way.
[18:36] <zzecool> We all have our opinions
[18:36] <glosoli> zzecool: Sorry, but you were more offensive, as you seen many people responded and called you offensive :)
[18:36] <glosoli> zzecool: You just like started screaming about everything and then calm down ;D
[18:37] <zzecool> this update ruined my workflow
[18:37] <glosoli> Well might be, that's why I got used to always shown dock, because i known that in some weeks dodge will be removed :/
[18:37] <zzecool> and soon or later more ppl gonna realease this
[18:38] <zzecool> glosoli: imagine never hide on netbook   and tablets....    Unity: A desktop experience designed for efficiency of space and interaction.
[18:38] <zzecool> No further comment
[18:38] <glosoli> zzecool: Yeah, for netbooks and tablets it would be too bad, but autohide there is
[18:38] <zzecool> If ppl cant understand its not my problem anyway
[18:38] <zzecool> With autohide you are losing what Unity is
[18:38] <zzecool> You are losing the launcher
[18:39] <zzecool> Can you see now my logic
[18:39] <quentusrex> Is there a location on the help.ubuntu.com wiki for upcoming 12.04 documentation?
[18:39] <glosoli> Well since hud came out and everything unity isn't just a launcher :)
[18:39] <zzecool> Its  a fial and not propper tested
[18:39] <zzecool> Hud doesnt gives you any feedback
[18:39] <zzecool> it just take commands
[18:40] <glosoli> zzecool: hmm, seems like you never used hud, or read about it
[18:40] <zzecool> Not telling you about file tranfers about torrent about mails etc
[18:40] <zzecool> Hud is a fast way access to the application menu
[18:40] <zzecool> its doesnt give you any status or feedback
[18:41] <glosoli> zzecool: but as I see now ,not only current applications
[18:41] <KBentley57> trism, thanks for that
[18:41] <glosoli> zzecool: ah, well yes, dunno, it depends on people needs, I find my self quite good with even Unity Dock always shown or autohide :)
[18:41] <glosoli> But I will press that bug affects me
[18:43] <mokoloko> anyone else getting this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1919448 pic: http://ubuntuone.com/2PS8tpRgD7H5jNmLpnTiVS
[18:45] <mokoloko> Did appear after compiz upgrade under precise. I wonder if there's bug report already...
[18:50] <jo-erlend> listen, is something wrong with my install? People tell me HUD is available, and all sorts of changes to Unity, but though I've updated my apt and installed upgrades, I'm not seeing those changes.
[18:51] <htorque> is it me, or are the 'main' servers a bit slow today?
[18:52] <glosoli> jo-erlend: press ALT ?
[18:52] <jo-erlend> glosoli, it isn't installed.
[18:52] <glosoli> htorque: Same here :) 300 kB/s from Main slow for me
[18:52] <glosoli> jo-erlend: hmm dist-upgrade have you done ?
[18:52] <htorque> glosoli: so it's not me. thanks!
[18:53] <jo-erlend> dist-upgrade wants to remove Unity altogether.
[18:53] <jo-erlend> I'll give it a go. I
[18:53] <jo-erlend> I'll still have ubuntu classic anyway :)
[18:54] <htorque> jo-erlend: are you using the main servers? the new unity should be upgradable by now (wasn't a few hours ago).
[18:54] <jo-erlend> archive.u-c yes
[18:54] <jo-erlend> ah, you're right. It just popped up. Upgrade manager refused to do it, but apt-get works. :)
[18:58] <glosoli> jo-erlend: don't, just wait :)
[18:58] <glosoli> jo-erlend: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:58] <glosoli> and then check if dist-upgrade still wants to remove unity
[18:58] <jo-erlend> glosoli, I know how to install upgrades. :)
[18:58] <jo-erlend> it doesn't.
[18:58] <zzecool> glosoli: take a look on my comment
[18:58] <jo-erlend> update-manager does.
[18:58] <zzecool> glosoli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/930148
[18:59] <jo-erlend> but update-manager has been rather buggy for a long time now.
[19:05] <glosoli> zzecool: see
[19:13] <Volkodav> anybody has issues with nvidia module loading?
[19:14] <jo-erlend> right. The video lens obviously wants to create thumbnails of all video files on all harddisks. That's nice. I hope it'll finish before 12.04 is released. Load average is passing 200 now.
[19:15] <jo-erlend> is doesn't help that my md is resyncing either. :)
[19:18] <Volkodav> Anybody cares to look at t he log ? http://pastie.org/3403323
[19:26] <trism> jo-erlend: try a unity --reset for your hud problems, the service wasn't starting here until I just reset the unity settings, and now it works with alt
[19:43] <trism> that's pretty nifty, if you hold down super now it brings up a keyboard shortcuts listing
[19:45] <jo-erlend> trist, installing the software is usually more effective.
[19:46] <ganimede> good evening. I have installed ubuntu 12.04
[19:46] <ganimede> and nothing works so far
[19:46] <trism> jo-erlend: it is installed with indicator-appmenu, so you have it if you still have menus in the panel
[19:47] <jo-erlend> trism, nevermind. The problem was fixed a while ago. The problem was that update-manager itself wasn't upgraded, so I needed to use apt-get in order to upgrade my system.
[19:48] <jo-erlend> however, I get the show desktop button at the top of the launcher. That's not right, is it?
[19:48] <ganimede> is there a way to run a partition in a virtual machine?
[19:49] <jo-erlend> ganimede, if you can use raw files, it should be.
[19:49] <jo-erlend> you'll need to have the right permissions, of course.
[19:49] <ganimede> raw files? not sure.
[19:50] <jo-erlend> ganimede, but this doesn't sound +1-specific. Perhaps you should ask in #Ubuntu-cloud?
[19:51] <ganimede> well, it was my intention to run that new version of ubuntu and ask the questions I had from within it, but it keeps crashing
[19:54] <ganimede> in any case, it appeared to have issues as soon as I have installed the 400+ updates using update-manager
[19:55] <ganimede> when restarting, I had no screen after the login. the only solution i found has been to install the NVIDIA drivers. So I managed to log in next time
[19:56] <ganimede> but as soon as the login is completed, everything crashes, I am left only with the background and cannot execute anything in X, only Ctrl-Alt-F1 to have a text-mode bash
[19:59] <jo-erlend> and this is in some kind of virtualization solution?
[20:01] <ganimede> no, this is a fresh, genuine install in another partition
[20:02] <ganimede> and if possible is how i would like to have things running, especially because of what I need to use and try
[20:02] <jo-erlend> try Unity 2D then?
[20:02] <ganimede> how do i do it, jo-erlend?
[20:03] <jo-erlend> ganimede, click on the button next to the password field before logging in.
[20:03] <jo-erlend> it's quite nice. More beautiful than Unity in some ways, I think.
[20:03] <ganimede> ok, here a VM would have helped. I need to reboot to check. See you in a bit
[20:11] <ganimede> excellent, unity 2D worked. now how do I convince my second monitor to switch on?
[20:16] <ganimede> well, the nvidia-settings sees it. let me reboot and check
[21:08] <johnjohn101> if i get a segmenation fault on xfreerdp, is this something i report on ubuntu+1 channel or freerdp.  This is the application that came with the system
[21:14] <trism> johnjohn101: apport should generally pop up a dialog asking if you want to report crashes, if not check out /var/crash for a .crash file for xfreerdp and run: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/filename.crash; or failing that just: ubuntu-bug freerdp-x11
[21:15] <johnjohn101> k
[21:25] <ganimede> it doesnt work. my second screen is not properly recognized
[21:25] <ganimede> and I am still not at the issue :(
[21:53] <xocolatl> hello.  is anyone else having trouble with a trackpad?  this is almost unusable
[21:54] <glosoli> xocolatl: what exactly ?
[21:54] <Debolaz> Yes, mine seems to live a life of its own. :-)
[21:55] <xocolatl> do we know what's causing it?  it precise is shipped like this, it will be a catastrophe!
[21:55] <Debolaz> glosoli: Here, merely holding your finger on the trackpad, without moving the finger, will cause the pointer to move around.
[21:55]  * Debolaz is able to live with it, but its really weird. :-)
[21:55] <glosoli> hmm
[21:56] <xocolatl> glosoli, it's as if someone else also has control of the point and is playing a sick game.  that's fun for a few seconds but this doesn't ever stop
[21:56] <xocolatl> it jumps all over the place and even sometimes clicks on its own :(
[21:56] <glosoli> ah
[21:56] <glosoli> report a bug ?
[21:56] <xocolatl> I've found that using two fingers will sometimes stabilize it (but sometimes make it worse)
[21:57]  * Debolaz is still waiting for someone to take notice of the last bug he found. :)
[21:57] <xocolatl> glosoli, that's what I'm doing isn't it?
[21:57] <glosoli> launchpad is for reporting bugs
[21:57] <glosoli> Noone in here will fix you if you write just here
[21:57] <glosoli> :)
[21:57] <xocolatl> so what's the point of this channel then?
[21:57] <Debolaz> Title fonts looks slightly messed up on my installation.
[21:58] <Debolaz> Apparently it happens for other people too.
[21:58] <glosoli> xocolatl: it's discussion and supports, it doesn't mean bug fixing or developing :)
[21:58] <glosoli> Support is giving away to go forward
[21:59] <xocolatl> I don't want to have to create an account on launchpad.  if bringing my issue to an official channel means my voice is not heard, then fuck it
[21:59] <glosoli> xocolatl: Hmm, you're being to rude
[21:59] <glosoli> :)
[22:00] <glosoli> too''
[22:00] <jcole> is there a gnome meta package in ubuntu, like kubuntu-desktop for kde and xubuntu-desktop for xfce
[22:00] <glosoli> pasting bug in launchpad is mch more effective :)
[22:00] <xocolatl> rude?  because I report a problem and am told to go away?  fine.  going away.
[22:00] <jcole> ubuntu-desktop appears to be unity
[22:01] <glosoli> what a kiddo...
[22:01] <glosoli> jcole: there is ubuntu-desktop and it doesn't consist just of unity
[22:02] <glosoli> jcole: there are more packages in that ubuntu-desktop
[22:03] <Debolaz> glosoli: I'm not sure if I'd agree posting bugs on launchpad will always be more effective, been waiting a week now for someone to notice my favorite bug. :)
[22:03] <jcole> glosoli: if i install kubuntu-desktop, everything defaults to kde... what can i install to default to gnome
[22:03] <glosoli> Debolaz: YOu think developers will sit here ant be fast enough to read 100 users reportinkg bug in the real time chat ? lol, you must be kiddin aint you ?
[22:03] <jcole> glosoli: i am aware of that
[22:04] <glosoli> jcole: hmm not sure, but what do you want to do ?
[22:04] <Debolaz> glosoli: I don't think that. But they've had a week to notice it on launchpad now. Would be nice if someone either acknowledged it or asked for more information if there were doubts about it.
[22:05] <zzecool> Debolaz: bad thing is that they dont use channels like this and even if they do they dont speak
[22:05] <glosoli> Debolaz: Bug is being filled as real only when multiple users are being affected. Next time you ask some friends to log in and press "Affects me", then I will be shown as real bug :)
[22:05] <Debolaz> glosoli: It affects 4 people according to launchpad.
[22:05] <glosoli> hmm, so they have seen it :)
[22:05] <zzecool> Debolaz: post the bug link
[22:05] <Debolaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/930515
[22:06] <zzecool> ok let me check
[22:07] <Debolaz> I'm not demanding that this is fixed or anything, its only a small visual thing that doesn't really affect me much. I just want to be sure that it has in fact been seen. :)
[22:07] <glosoli> Debolaz: when was the last time you did upgrade ?
[22:07] <Debolaz> glosoli: 2 days ago if I recall correctly.
[22:07] <jcole> glosoli: i maintain a customized version of ubuntu (and debian) using packages ive created... i have a blacklist package (which conflicts with unity) since my users are using "gnome classic"... but, i depend on ubuntu-desktop as well to get the "core" of ubuntu (im using gnome-desktop on debian)
[22:07] <Debolaz> glosoli: It was still there at that time.
[22:07] <jakubo> hi, there,
[22:07] <jakubo> wil wine 1.4 be available without installing all of those i386 libraries?
[22:08] <jcole> glosoli: so, im asking what "core" package can i use on ubuntu
[22:08] <glosoli> Debolaz: Maybe it is already fixed, and since there as a lot of updates in 2 days period, you didin't to upgrade, that might be your problem
[22:08] <micahg> jakubo: no, it's not a pure 64 bit app AIUI
[22:08] <glosoli> Debolaz: Updates don't accur without your permission.
[22:08] <zzecool> Debolaz: i see i dont have this bug
[22:08] <jcole> glosoli: i alread have post install commands to set the gdm login for gnome-classic/gnome-2d as well
[22:09] <glosoli> zzecool: you are up to date, he is 2 days out of updates
[22:09] <jakubo> so i need the i386 libraries aswell?
[22:09] <zzecool> i never had this either
[22:09] <zzecool> Debolaz: what vga and what vga drivers ?
[22:10] <Debolaz> glosoli: I think you're missing a point here: What I'm asking for is that the bug has been noticed by developers, I said above I'm not demanding that it'll be fixed. I don't have the luxury of being on my ubuntu machine all the time (It's at work) so I'm unfortunately not able to check if it's been fixed right now.
[22:10] <Debolaz> glosoli: But it was up to date after the bug was reported, so please don't suggest there's something wrong with the bug report. :)
[22:10] <glosoli> Debolaz: Don't you think it's logical to pay more attention to bigger bugs at the moment ?  There are so much people reporting :)
[22:10] <jcole> glosoli: basically, im looking for a gnome meta package that does not include unity (so my blacklist package can remove it entirely)
[22:11] <glosoli> jcole: Don't think you might find one
[22:11] <Debolaz> glosoli: A bug that is seen whenever the machine is on, no matter what application I'm in, is perhaps not important in the sense that it doesn't crash the OS, but it's extremely noticeable and eventually quite annoying. It makes the UI look defective.
[22:11] <zzecool> jcole: there is ubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <zzecool> this is the only meta  with all the packages
[22:11] <glosoli> Debolaz: Would you might doing upgrade ?:))))))
[22:12] <jakubo> besides... has anyone else transparent panel and missing icons?
[22:12] <jcole> glosoli: that is too bad
[22:13] <zzecool> jakubo:  screenshot or never happened :p
[22:13] <Debolaz> glosoli: I'd of course be happy about keeping that bug in place if it meant all the horrible bugs in compiz were fixed. But even then, people tend to want to be sure developers has at least seen their bugs, because otherwise you give people the feeling that the right people don't even know about it.
[22:13] <glosoli> DUDE
[22:13] <Debolaz> glosoli: It doesn't have to be malicious, maybe the bug was misfiled somehow. By acknowledging a bug, you give people one less thing to worry about.
[22:13] <glosoli> Debolaz: Instead of being offensive, try upgrading your system, unity package was updates many times in two days, maybe it's already fixed, how long will you complain about problem that you don't know if still exists.
[22:14] <zzecool> Debolaz: why dont you just update ?
[22:14] <Debolaz> glosoli: I've not been offensive. I've not said one bad thing about anyone or anything (Except compiz, which everyone I know agrees with).
[22:14] <zzecool> Debolaz: and please tell me what is your vga and vga driver
[22:14] <glosoli> zzecool: I am asking him ten minutes for a same question :)
[22:14] <Debolaz> zzecool: Its hard when glosoli keeps this up.
[22:15] <zzecool> Debolaz: what is your vga and vga driver i asked you like 4 times allrdy
[22:15] <jakubo> how do i post it here?
[22:15] <Debolaz> zzecool: I'm trying to look it up.  I can't look up information on it.
[22:17] <glosoli> Debolaz: Have you access to terminal in that machine ?
[22:17] <jakubo> how do i post screenshot?
[22:17] <Debolaz> glosoli: I haven't blamed anyone for anything. I said that people feel a sense of peace if the existence of a bug is acknowledged, even if not fixed. To this, you replied "DUDE" and said I was being offensive.
[22:17] <zzecool> jakubo: upload it to a image site like imageshack
[22:17] <zzecool> and post the link
[22:18] <zzecool> Debolaz: stop argue  with glosoli  and lets look at your problem
[22:18] <Debolaz> Its hard to stop arguing when someone repeatedly accuses you of stuff. :)
[22:19] <jakubo> http://imagebin.org/199462
[22:19] <jakubo> here you go
[22:19] <zzecool> Debolaz: he done this before with is younk and restless
[22:19] <zzecool> young* lol
[22:19] <zzecool> so
[22:20] <zzecool> have you ever saw the pc with the problem  or do you only have remote access?
[22:20] <Debolaz> The machine is at work. Right now, I'm at home.
[22:20] <Debolaz> There's no remote access to it.
[22:20] <zzecool> ok so this isnt a problem with the remote application it happens on the actual monito too?
[22:20] <zzecool> right ?
[22:20] <Debolaz> It happens on the machines own LCD screen.
[22:21] <zzecool> nice
[22:21] <Debolaz> The graphics hardware is Intel GMA 950.
[22:21] <Debolaz> I'm not sure which driver is used though.
[22:21] <zzecool> hmm
[22:22] <Debolaz> I'm going to drop by work tomorrow. When there, I'll do an upgrade. If that doesn't resolve the issue (I kind of doubt it will tbh), I can look up any information needed from the system.
[22:22] <zzecool> Debolaz: is the resolution the naive one
[22:22] <zzecool> native
[22:22] <Debolaz> Yes.
[22:23] <glosoli> zzecool: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/930515 read the second comment in the bug report... :)
[22:23] <Debolaz> The problem did not occur with 11.10 either, so it's a new one.
[22:23] <zzecool> sometimes if you dont use the native resolution you end up with problems like this
[22:23] <zzecool> oh i see
[22:24] <zzecool> glosoli: i dont get it the automate one ?
[22:25] <zzecool> Debolaz: you need to search about the driver support for your vga card
[22:25] <zzecool> Debolaz: but other than that a simple update may fix the problem
[22:25] <trism> Debolaz: don't know if you saw the thread posted earlier: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1919448 might want to mention your bug report there (doesn't seem to affect people with nvidia, based on comments there and that I don't see it either)
[22:26] <Debolaz> zzecool: What commands do I use to retrieve the information needed? I'll attach the output to the bug report.
[22:26] <Debolaz> (Tomorrow)
[22:26] <zzecool> Debolaz: its can be many reason behind this from a bug to the the font rendering xorg server window decoration .................and more
[22:26] <glosoli> My friend with Intel GMA450 have no problems.
[22:27] <zzecool> Debolaz: on terminal type     ubuntu-bug <package you think is the problem name>
[22:27] <zzecool> and it auto collects the log files
[22:27] <zzecool> and push them on a report
[22:27] <jakubo> any ideas on the icon missing thing?
[22:27] <Debolaz> Which package should I use? Unity?
[22:28] <glosoli> not unity
[22:28] <glosoli> I would recommend compiz
[22:28] <glosoli> zzecool: what you think ?
[22:28] <zzecool> jakubo: i dont know
[22:29] <zzecool> jakubo: there are missing icons form the unity launcher too right ?
[22:29] <zzecool> i advice do a unity reset
[22:31] <jakubo> zzecool: i tried that
[22:31] <jakubo> as well as i emptied the compiz folders, and treid alle the hacks in hte ubuntuusers site
[22:31] <zzecool> and didnt change nothing ?
[22:31] <glosoli> jakubo: Thoose apps in the dock that are icons missing, was missing when you added it or appeared lately ?
[22:32] <jakubo> it appeared when all the others dissapeared too
[22:32] <Daekdroom> Awww.
[22:32] <zzecool> maybe the launcher is pointing to a wrong icon path
[22:32] <Daekdroom> X just restarted on my face, with no apparent reason at all.
[22:32] <zzecool> lol
[22:32] <Daekdroom> I just got bumped back to lightdm
[22:32] <jakubo> as you can see my top panel has fewer items, and sound is also missing
[22:33] <zzecool> jakubo: did you dried to change theme?
[22:33] <jakubo> jup
[22:33] <zzecool> and ?
[22:33] <jakubo> it just changes window looks
[22:33] <zzecool> and what about top panel ?
[22:33] <jakubo> nothing
[22:33] <jakubo> in unity2d its grey at least
[22:33] <jakubo> looks like the fallback
[22:34] <zzecool> i see
[22:35] <zzecool> jakubo: try this please unity --reset-icons
[22:35] <zzecool> and tell me
[22:35] <glosoli> jakubo: the same question like always, but, when you last time updated :) ?
[22:35] <jakubo> in the gues sessoin its displayed correctly, though VERY slowly
[22:35] <zzecool> jakubo: ok
[22:35] <zzecool> we gonna fix it
[22:35] <jakubo> i update everyday at least 3 times XD
[22:35] <jakubo> im very impolite XD
[22:35] <zzecool> jakubo: run unity --reset-icons
[22:35] <jakubo> patient i mean XD
[22:35] <zzecool> log in and log out after
[22:35] <jakubo> ok...
[22:35] <zzecool> log out - log in sry
[22:38] <zzecool> jakubo:  so ?
[22:38] <jakubo> so im back.. it resetted the items, but hardly the icons...
[22:38] <zzecool> ok
[22:38] <jakubo> it got worse as my home folder has no icon now XD
[22:38] <zzecool> ok
[22:39] <zzecool> type  "    gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1     "
[22:40] <zzecool> and then    "      unity --reset     log out and log in again
[22:40] <zzecool> and tell me
[22:40] <zzecool> jakubo: ?
[22:40] <jakubo> i tried that a while ago, but ill try again
[22:40] <zzecool> ok
[22:41] <zzecool> there is one more hardcore trick  if non will work :P
[22:41] <jakubo> there was some killall gnome thingy right?
[22:42] <jakubo> how do i relog without the panels?
[22:42] <zzecool> yes there is a full unset for all the gnome settings
[22:42] <jakubo> i have had that to i think, but it somehow failed
[22:42] <zzecool> best thing to do is ctrl + alt + f1   it will throw you
[22:42] <zzecool> on terminal
[22:43] <zzecool> log in there
[22:43] <zzecool> and type
[22:43] <zzecool> sudo reboot
[22:43] <zzecool> :)
[22:43] <jakubo> ok, i thought there was some more delicate version
[22:43] <zzecool> no
[22:43] <zzecool> :P
[22:43] <zzecool> the power button  lol
[22:45] <jakubo> ok
[22:46] <jakubo> there is no more panel at all
[22:46] <jakubo> yet the font is still black.. and icons in natilus are missing
[22:47] <zzecool> lol
[22:47] <zzecool> ok
[22:47] <zzecool> you said that everything is ok on guest session write?
[22:47] <zzecool> right
[22:47] <zzecool> ?
[22:47] <zzecool> jakubo:  ?
[22:47] <jakubo> yeah, except for the peformance, its awkward
[22:48] <zzecool> ok
[22:48] <zzecool> the best thing to do is to make a new user
[22:48] <jakubo> so now for the 3rd hardcorish thing?
[22:48] <zzecool> make him administration too
[22:48] <zzecool> yes
[22:48] <zzecool> ;p
[22:48] <jakubo> i treid that, but the settings window would crash
[22:48] <zzecool> what settings window?
[22:49] <zzecool> the users?
[22:49] <jakubo> yup
[22:49] <zzecool> somehow you manage to fuck your system and you have multiple problems then not only icons not loading
[22:49] <zzecool> sry for the "fuck"
[22:50] <jakubo> no big deal
[22:50] <zzecool> backup your stuff make coffee and have fun :)
[22:50] <zzecool> Frsh install is always nice and clean :)
[22:50] <jakubo> you mean reinstalling?
[22:50] <zzecool> yeap
[22:50] <glosoli> jakubo: or creating user by command line :)
[22:50] <jakubo> i hate installing on a software raid...
[22:51] <zzecool> You seem to have multiple problems probably you messed with system files
[22:51] <zzecool> i cant think any different
[22:51] <jakubo> oh by the way, do you know anything about pulse audio crashing and missing alsamixer?
[22:51] <zzecool> no i never had sucka a problem
[22:51] <zzecool> such*
[22:53] <jakubo> i have reported it many times and alle the answers pointed on damaged hardware, the problem does not appear on older systems though
[22:53] <jakubo> its a cmedia 1569 or something which is being addresed as USB
[22:54] <jakubo> i mean older OS - ubuntu versions
[22:54] <zzecool> i dont know jakubo
[22:55] <zzecool> im off
[22:55] <zzecool> c ya guys
[22:55] <jakubo> ok, thanks anyway
[22:55] <jakubo> cya