[15:32] <snwh> did mpt solve the sound menu?
[16:31] <mpt> snwh, as it transpired, the answer was not 42. It was 42.3.
[16:42] <xnox> mpt: they only had time to run an integer precision simulation..... the floating point version was too expensive to construct at the time.
[16:42] <xnox> anyway.... =)


[00:06] <HelenB> erm...
[00:07] <HelenB> Why does the Kubuntu installation slideshow say an iPod can be used?
[00:09] <Xabster> take a guess
[00:11] <RobertLaptop> Question.  My screen keeps blanking on me.  The Screen Saver is disabled I know there is a 2nd screen option but for the life of me I can't find where that is set.
[00:12] <HelenB> RobertLaptop, in power management
[00:13] <HelenB> Xabster, It's false info on the slideshow.
[00:13] <HelenB> because iPod doesn't even work with Ubuntu!
[00:13] <HelenB> lol
[00:14] <Xabster> did you try googling that
[00:14] <Xabster> +
[00:14] <HelenB> nope but I know it
[00:14] <HelenB> lol
[00:14] <HelenB> It has worked with Ubuntu in the past.
[00:14] <HelenB> :3
[00:14] <Xabster> and it does now too
[00:15] <HelenB> hmm
[00:15] <HelenB> Xabster, iOS 5?
[00:15] <HelenB> :o
[00:15] <HelenB> my iPhone is running iOS 5. lol
[00:16] <Xabster> HelenB, google
[00:16] <HelenB> Nobody tell me to google
[00:17] <HelenB> it's actually quite irritating as I've done that before.
[00:27] <cerr> hello test, i'm new, anyone here?
[00:28] <BarkingFish> cerr, Yes there is :)
[00:28] <BarkingFish> Good morning!
[00:28] <cerr> good evening :)
[00:28] <cerr> okay figured it out, thanks... :)
[00:28] <BarkingFish> First time on IRC? Or just on Kubuntu?
[00:29] <cerr> \on IRC, well, I have used it before, but a looong time ago... been using Kubuntu for over 10 years now...
[00:30] <cerr> not new to that :)
[00:32] <RobertLaptop> HelenB, Everything in power management is disabled?
[00:34] <tsimpson> cerr: over 10 years?
[00:35] <cerr> tsimpson: yep, you've read correctly, well ubuntu first and then in 05 i switched to Kubuntu
[00:35] <tsimpson> cerr: Ubuntu was first released in 2004
[00:36] <BarkingFish> That's kinda tricky - our first release was 4.10, released 10/20/2004 - so if you've been on over 10 years, I've been in a coma for a couple :)
[00:37] <cerr> Okay yah,... it was SuSE first, then Suse, then Ubuntu & now Kubuntu... I didn't think I need to go that deep into details lol
[00:38] <cerr> SuSE 6.4 to be specific, then 7.3, then 8.2., then 10.X (not sure anymore)
[00:38] <tsimpson> just saying you've used something, that's only existed for 7 years, for over 10 years seemd... odd
[00:38] <cerr> I paid for these too!
[00:38] <cerr> lol
[00:39] <cerr> my 56k modem wouldn't wanna download this
[01:15] <TimPlaz> newbie here...how do you add favorite shortcuts to folder on desktop?
[01:16] <BarkingFish> TimPlaz, if you right click on your desktop, the menu there should include "Create new"
[01:17] <BarkingFish> if you click on Create new - there is a sublist, some of which are links to places, like applications or other folders
[01:18] <BarkingFish> For example, I see "Link to location (URL), Basic link to file or folder, Link to Application, Link to device"
[01:18] <BarkingFish> what version of Kubuntu are you running, TimPlaz?
[01:18] <TimPlaz> 11.10...just installed 5 mins ago
[01:19] <BarkingFish> ah, it might be slightly different then - you can check though if you follow what I posted above
[01:19] <BarkingFish> I'm using the beta version which is up for release in about 8 days time
[01:23] <HelenB> Hey I installed kubuntu 12.04 Beta 2
[01:23] <HelenB> no wifi
[01:23] <HelenB> so I go to additional drivers
[01:24] <HelenB> and I install drivers for the bsm34xx chipset series
[01:24] <HelenB> but it fails to install
[01:24] <HelenB> Why?
[01:24] <HelenB> Is this a bug in beta?
[01:24] <BarkingFish> HelenB, try using the same line - enter isn't punctuation :)
[01:24] <bkerensa> HelenB: You could file a bug if you so chose
[01:24] <BarkingFish> but -
[01:24] <BarkingFish> !bcm34 | HelenB
[01:24] <HelenB> bkerensa, I could yes
[01:25] <HelenB> BarkingFish, NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[01:25] <HelenB> don't point me to links
[01:25] <HelenB> it's annoying
[01:25] <tsimpson> HelenB: you _will_ be expected to read links to information
[01:25] <HelenB> I already did what ubuntu.com said for me to do
[01:25] <BarkingFish> It's also helpful if people are asking about something we get a lot of questions about
[01:25] <HelenB> I don't want putting in circles.
[01:25] <tsimpson> support for the pre-releases of Kubuntu is over in #ubuntu+1
[01:38] <DarthFrog> tsimpson:  Is that support option going to be available once Kubuntu Precise is released?
[01:39] <tsimpson> DarthFrog: once it's released, support will be in here as normal
[01:39] <DarthFrog> Of course.  But I'm wondering about support for 12.10 and going forward.
[01:40] <DarthFrog> i.e. #ubuntu+1 and dev releases of kubuntu.
[01:40] <tsimpson> I don't think anything will change, but don't quote me ;)
[01:41] <DarthFrog> :-)
[03:38] <icallitvera> hey guys i was reading about the sponsor ship Kubuntu was getting and wondering what your opinion was of it
[06:20] <victorj__> hi, someone wants to talk about kubuntu me now, I have suggestions ...
[06:20] <victorj__> hello:;)
[06:21] <bkerensa> ;)
[06:23] <SteveRiley> what's on your mind?
[06:26] <victorj__> StevenRiley could have a better messenger, in place of Kopé, see firefox natively ... and a series of things about the union of small distros
[06:27] <victorj__> kopete*
[06:28] <SteveRiley> telepathy-kde, currently under active development, will replace kopete. learn more: http://community.kde.org/Real-Time_Communication_and_Collaboration
[06:28] <SteveRiley> what do you mean by "see firefox natively"?
[06:29] <coder2> Hello. How to edit /etc/resolv.conf - it cant'be written even as root. Or dow t alter preferred DNS servers list. Network Manager isn't installed. Thanks
[06:30] <victorj__> I think that unity is strength, should be discutdo seriously, I see a lot of messengers and nothing to beat mlm, kubuntu should grow each has more now, I see many notebooks relcamoções on kubuntu and kde
[06:34] <SteveRiley> victorj: unity's goals aren't the same as kde's, so it's unlikely you'll see unity in kubuntu. you can create something similar with third-party launchers or panel rearrangements, if that's sufficient.
[06:35] <SteveRiley> victorj: what's mlm with respect to instant message clients? the only "mlm" i know of is something called mail list manager.
[06:36] <SteveRiley> victorj: and regarding kde on tablets, Plasma Active is the project to follow. http://plasma-active.org/
[06:38] <SteveRiley> coder2: please see "man resolvconf" to learn more.
[06:38] <victorj__> SteveRipley sorry need to clarify, I mean come along with the firefox versions proxmas understand how many programs for me and kopete rekonq the kubuntu needs to be more customizable, so no need to design programs kde
[06:41] <SteveRiley> victorj: i'm attempting to parse what you're saying, but it's difficult, as i suspect english isn't your native language. my apologies. regarding firefox, are you asking why it doesn't look like other kde applications?
[06:41] <victorj__> SteveRipley sorry need to clarify, I mean come along with the firefox next versions understand how many programs for me and kopete rekonq the kubuntu needs to be more customizable, so no need to design programs kde
[06:42] <victorj__> *
[06:43] <coder2> SteveRiley: Thanks
[06:44] <SteveRiley> victorj: i'm sorry, but repeating yourself won't help. i'm not understanding what you're saying.
[06:47] <victorj__> SteveRiley I'm not suggesting that he along with vennha amplicações kde in kubuntu as is done in ubuntu, kubuntu because tenque get stuck all kde applications are not all good for use for example firefox x rekonq amsn (stopped) kopete, the realmete need to merge qt and gtk and improved support for msn, we should pay more attention to msn on linux
[06:50] <victorj__> SteveRiley I am suggesting that not only will the kde applications, could give to others as espça ubuntu firefox is in bringing*
[06:51] <SteveRiley> i think i understand what you're saying. but it won't happen. qt and gtk are independent projects, with differing goals. personally, i'd not want them to merge anyway.
[06:51] <victorj__>  I am suggesting that not only KDE applications in kubuntu, could make room for others like ubuntu firefox is in bringing****
[06:51] <SteveRiley> have you tried the latest version of rekonq from the kde goodies ppa? it's getting very good. i use it daily now, and have removed firefox from my system
[06:58] <victorj__> SeveRiley sure ,cool, but I think more should be discussed today in linux and msn. none comes close to windows live, and amsn2 is crawled, BOMs has many programs in linux I think everyone can clash with those of MS, we must promote more msn in linux, what do you think:?
[07:01] <victorj__> SteveRiley pls
[07:01] <victorj__> ?
[07:03] <SteveRiley> i do not use any instant messenger, so i can't offer an opinion of windows live or msn vs. kopete or telepathy, sorry.
[07:04] <AngelForget> let it be victorj__
[07:05] <victorj__> what?
[07:05] <victorj__> AngelForget?
[07:06] <AngelForget>  must promote more msn
[07:06] <AngelForget> kopete in must best program for instant messenger
[07:10] <victorj__> AngelForget yes, mad I do not use it and it is far from reaching the per wlm, because I LibreOffice classic mo by holding close to me is the quality of ms office msn have 'promoted recisa be better I can help with translations
[07:11] <victorj__> portuguese sure .
[07:17] <victorj__> bye good night
[07:17] <victorj__> alguem do brasil
[07:18] <victorj__> braisilalquem aqui oi
[07:18] <victorj__> braisil alquem aqui oi*
[07:19] <victorj__> brasil alguem aqui oi*
[08:13] <gotzone> go1972
[08:54] <Xayvier> Hey all
[09:07] <ronskisika> my X went down. oh well, I guess that's what I get for using backported kde 4.8
[09:09] <ronskisika> [231400.181] 8: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xed) [0x7f7fe5bb630d]   [231400.197] 9: /usr/bin/X (0x400000+0x235ed) [0x4235ed]   [231400.197] Segmentation fault at address 0x3e1
[10:54] <nikolaj_basher> i
[10:55] <nikolaj_basher> I just installed kubuntu 11.10 on my notebook, and the menu wasn't there it was more a search bar how to make it like a normal kubuntu with at menu?
[11:13] <nagato_> Hello
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:05] <nikolaj_basher> isn't anyone who know how to fix the menu
[12:06] <BluesKaj> nikolaj_basher, fix the menu ? ..what's wrong?
[12:07] <nikolaj_basher> BluesKaj, when I install kubuntu I get a menu instead of search bar
[12:09] <BluesKaj> nikolaj_basher, can you pastebin a screenshot so we know what you mean
[12:10] <nikolaj_basher> BluesKaj, Is it take a little wild because I installing it again
[12:29] <nikolaj_basher> BluesKaj, where can I past picture
[12:32] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | nikolaj_basher
[12:35] <nikolaj_basher> BluesKaj, When I use virtuelbox then there is no problem, I will try to install it again when I come home. If I see the problem then I write to you
[13:17] <HelenB> erm my netbook was updating
[13:17] <HelenB> when it crashed
[13:17] <HelenB> so I had to power it off
[13:17] <HelenB> hard
[13:17] <HelenB> now my cursor wont move. :(
[13:18] <BluesKaj> HelenB, please finish your thoughts in one sentence
[13:18] <BluesKaj> leavge the enter key alone for a while
[13:19] <HelenB> My netbook was updating when it crashed so I had to do a hard shutdown and now the cursor wont move.
[13:20] <BluesKaj> can you get to a tty , ctl+alt+F1 , then update/upgrade again
[13:21] <HelenB> BluesKaj, Why is Linux the only system that's as solid as a rock? :o
[13:23] <BluesKaj> HelenB, i assume that question is rhetorical :)
[13:24] <HelenB> Eh?
[13:25] <BluesKaj> in other words you already know the answer or don't expect one
[13:25] <HelenB> oh
[13:25] <HelenB> anyway...
[13:25] <Oxymoron> Do anybody know what is missing if my system wines over that AF_INET flag, address family for sockets is not supported? What packages do I need to have isntalled for it to work?
[13:25] <HelenB> BluesKaj, I heard that using dist-upgrade can break Ubuntu.
[13:26] <HelenB> Is there a way to stop it?
[13:26] <HelenB> This is my prefered way of upgrading a linux system. lol
[13:26] <BluesKaj> I use it all the time ..it's a method of upgrading kde packages and desktop
[13:27] <HelenB> oh :o
[13:27] <BluesKaj> it doesn't upgrade to a new release
[13:27] <HelenB> BluesKaj, And it doesn't break your system?
[13:27] <HelenB> oh
[13:27] <HelenB> damn :(
[13:27] <HelenB> I wish it did
[13:27] <HelenB> How do I use it to upgrade to a new release?
[13:27] <HelenB> I used it to upgrade from 10 to 11
[13:27] <HelenB> but then it broke my system
[13:28] <HelenB> and someone else told me that Ubuntu's dist-upgrade is buggy.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> sudo do-release-upgrade for a released OS , and sudo do-release-upgrade -d for an alpha or beta ..the -d means it's a development release
[13:29] <HelenB> oh :o
[13:29] <HelenB> BluesKaj, Will it break my system?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> what will ?
[13:30] <HelenB> upgrading that way.
[13:30] <Oxymoron> Do anybody know what is missing if my system wines over that AF_INET flag, address family for sockets is not supported? What packages do I need to have isntalled for it to work?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> HelenB, be more specific , are you upgrading fom one release to the next or just upgrading an existing install?
[13:32] <HelenB> upgrading from one release to the next.
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, what are you trying to do ?
[13:33] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: I am trying to connect client with server, using AF_INET. It complains that my system do not support the adress family ...
[13:33] <vadrao> Hi, does anybody know how to use divide function in libreoffice spreadsheet. I need to do inverse of (1/X) of a set of numbers.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> AF_INET. It..what's that, some kind internet protocol , because I've never heard of it
[13:35] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:35]  * HelenB cuddles BluesKaj tight in her arm
[13:36] <HelenB> thank you! :3
[13:37] <BluesKaj> HelenB, then update and upgrade your install first , then sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[13:37] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AF_INET
[13:38] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: UDP ipv4 in other words
[13:39] <DemonWitch> How can i mount a bin/cue image in ubuntu?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, you're restricting your connection to IPv4 , when most routers/modems now accomodate both IPv4 and IPv6 which is the default
[13:40] <BluesKaj> DemonWitch, what media is the image on
[13:41] <DemonWitch> BluesKaj: my hdd
[13:42] <BluesKaj> DemonWitch, what kind of image ?
[13:42] <george> Hello. After not being able to upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 beta 2, I've downloaded an alternate cd and tried to upgrade from it. Lots of unmet dependencies later and sudo apt-get -f install later,  when I run sudo apt-get upgrade to finally install the remained packages, this is happening: http://paste.kde.org/459914/ .Can anyone help me? Thanks in advance.
[13:43] <DemonWitch> BluesKaj: binary
[13:45] <BluesKaj> DemonWitch, it's an image ready for burning but if it's videao or audio then VLC can do it
[13:45] <HelenB> BluesKaj, Wifi wont work.
[13:45] <HelenB> it's annoying.
[13:45] <HelenB> I keep getting this problem.
[13:46] <HelenB> I have a broadcom bsm4312
[13:46] <george> BluesKaj: I've decided to upgrade from an alternate cd and I'm having lots of trouble, as I posted up there.
[13:46] <HelenB> Jockey failed to install/activate it
[13:46] <HelenB> it was working before I had to hard shutdown my system.
[13:46] <BluesKaj> george, a clean install ?
[13:47] <george> no, upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04
[13:47] <HelenB> I checked the jockey log but it's all jibberish.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> HelenB, look in system>additional drivers
[13:48] <george> BluesKaj:no, upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04
[13:48] <HelenB> BluesKaj, That's jockey.
[13:48] <BluesKaj> george, a seprate /home partition?
[13:48] <george> BluesKaj:nope.
[13:49] <BluesKaj> HelenB, if you braodcom wifi driver didn't install then it may be listed in additional drivers as an option
[13:49] <HelenB> BluesKaj, no
[13:49] <HelenB> it's listed there
[13:50] <HelenB> but when I attempt to activate it
[13:50] <HelenB> it doesn't download/install it.
[13:50] <HelenB> it fails and asks me to check logs for errors
[13:50] <HelenB> but the logs are like jibberish to me
[13:52] <BluesKaj> george, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:53] <HelenB> BluesKaj, Kubuntu doesn't like my wlan card and it's annoying.
[13:53] <george> BluesKaj:Same error. Short version: http://paste.kde.org/459926/
[13:54] <HelenB> I shouldn't have to download/install it every now and again it should only have to be downloaded/installed once.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> george, remove streamtuner , then update upgrade again...you can always install it later
[13:59] <sebastian_> hi, I've a problem with the network manager: I didn't get any error message
[14:00] <sebastian_> my situation was: here is an invisible wifi network, so i configured it and nothing happend
[14:00] <sebastian_> it felt like I'm configuring a black hole
[14:01] <sebastian_> is this a known problemß
[14:01] <SunTsu> sebastian_: did you look into log files?
[14:02] <george> BluesKaj:But it's NOT installed!
[14:02] <sebastian_> it wites a log file? where?
[14:02] <SunTsu> sebastian_: it uses syslog, so it's in the usual places
[14:04] <sebastian_> SunTsu: so the nm gui doesn't have any user feedback?
[14:04] <SunTsu> sebastian_: only the basic stuff, details are hard to show. That's what log files are for
[14:06] <BluesKaj> george, I suggest you reinstall to a formatted clean partition... an alternate install into a existig broken system isn't a good idea
[14:06] <sebastian_> SunTsu: the reason for my problem was: the wifi was not reachable on my position, so I would expect something like: "there is no wifi with that SSID"
[14:07] <george> BluesKaj:System was not broken before the upgrade. I'll try to install streamtuner and see what happens
[14:07] <SunTsu> sebastian_: how would nm know? Maybe there is but the ap doesn't answer
[14:08] <BluesKaj> george, you had dependency probs if I recall
[14:08] <george> BluesKaj:Yes, AFTER the failed upgrade...
[14:08] <BluesKaj> well ,it's still broken
[14:08] <sebastian_> SunTsu: giving no error is the answer? it felt like a bug
[14:09] <skDn> http://signup.wazzub.info/?lrRef=96db7679  Sing up and earn MONEY only by inviting friends
[14:09] <skDn> http://signup.wazzub.info/?lrRef=96db7679  Sing up and earn MONEY only by inviting friends
[14:10] <sebastian_> SunTsu:  at least a "nope didn't worked" would be helpful
[14:10] <SunTsu> sebastian_: it's not the best way to handle it, I agree, but I can't think of a better way of giving feedback. It's not clear to nm why it doesn't work - and that it didn't work is clear from the fact that you don't see a connection happen
[14:11] <george> BluesKaj:What happens if I remove streamtuner package from /var/lib/dpkg/available?
[14:11] <BluesKaj> dunno
[14:12] <george> BluesKaj:Probably a broken system. But since you've said is already broken...
[14:12] <sebastian_> SunTsu: and what about a distiction between connection error / password wrong? would this be possible?
[14:14] <george> BluesKaj:Can't be removed...
[14:14] <BluesKaj> george, back up your data , then do a clean install from the altrnate cd , altho a normal live cd is better in some ways if your pc is less then 3 yrs old
[14:15] <SunTsu> sebastian_: That probably would be possible, but I don't see a way for nm to show that via applet - therefore it either is syslog or showing it via kde notifications. But as nm is using wpa_supplicant, which already does syslog...
[14:18] <sebastian_> SunTsu: than please make it clear, that the user has to look at the syslog to search for errors. this is not obvious for a gui app to just write errors to syslog
[14:18] <SunTsu> sebastian_: You might want to tell that to the developes
[14:18] <SunTsu> developers even
[14:19] <tsimpson> the GUI does not write to syslog, NetowrkManager does
[14:20] <SunTsu> yeah, the gui part is only an applet that shows NetworkManager's status
[14:20] <sebastian_> felt like a bug
[14:21] <SunTsu> lots of things feel like a bug untl you know how it works
[14:21] <tsimpson> I would agree, but I'd say the bug is in NetworkManager, it should report better errors back to the "client" (GUI)
[14:29] <HelenB> Dolphin isn't showing my drives and partitions. :(
[14:29] <HelenB> idk why
[14:29] <HelenB> but when I do this
[14:29] <HelenB> But when I try to mount it I get the following
[14:29] <HelenB> helen@helen-Aspire-M1640:~$ sudo mount /mnt/sda1 /media/DATA
[14:29] <HelenB> mount: special device /mnt/sda1 does not exist
[14:29] <HelenB> It's really annoying me.
[14:29] <HelenB> All I want to do is play some music. lol
[14:30] <SunTsu> HelenB: as is using return instead of punctuation ;)
[14:30] <HelenB> I meant sda3 not sda1.
[14:30] <SunTsu> HelenB: Are you sure that sda3 exists? does dmesg show it?
[14:31] <HelenB> I'm positive it exists.
[14:31] <SunTsu> HelenB: please no-paste dmesg showing it
[14:32] <tsimpson> HelenB: /mnt is not /dev
[14:32] <tsimpson> devices live in /dev
[14:33] <SunTsu> er, yes, right
[14:33] <HelenB> tsimpson, I know devices live in /dev
[14:33] <HelenB> that's why I'm trying to mount /dev/sda3 to /mnt/DATA
[14:33] <SunTsu> HelenB: but you try to mount /mnt/sd..
[14:33] <HelenB> media even
[14:34] <tsimpson> pastebin the output of "ls /dev/sda*"
[14:34] <HelenB> helen@helen-Aspire-M1640:~$ sudo mount /media/DATA /dev/sda3
[14:34] <HelenB> mount: /media/DATA is not a block device
[14:34] <HelenB> okay
[14:34] <tsimpson> HelenB: you're doing it backwards
[14:34] <tsimpson> mount <device> <mount point>
[14:34] <SunTsu> HelenB: now you are trying to mount the mountpoint onto the device...
[14:35] <HelenB> You just told me I did it backwards earlier.
[14:35] <HelenB> make your mind up please.
[14:35] <tsimpson> no
[14:35] <HelenB> /dev/sda  /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sda6
[14:35] <tsimpson> I said to use /dev not /mnt
[14:35] <SunTsu> HelenB: No, you did mount /MNT/sda3 /mnt/DATA
[14:35] <HelenB> woops
[14:35] <HelenB> I meant /dev/sda3
[14:36] <tsimpson> sda3 is there, so try just "sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/DATA"
[14:36] <HelenB> done
[14:36] <tsimpson> make sure that /mnt/DATA exists
[14:36] <tsimpson> then you should see the data
[14:36] <HelenB> tsimpson, It showing nothing in there.
[14:36] <HelenB> but there is stuff in there.
[14:37] <tsimpson> does "mount" show it mounted on /mnt/DATA?
[14:37] <sebastian_> SunTsu: tsimpson: ty guys.
[14:37] <HelenB> Dolphin is showing it mounted
[14:40] <HelenB> tsimpson, Yes it does.
[14:40] <tsimpson> then you should be able to see whatever is there
[14:43] <HelenB> tsimpson, But I can't.
[14:45] <tsimpson> HelenB: how do you know there are files there?
[14:45] <HelenB> tsimpson, Why wouldn't there be?
[14:46] <HelenB> I've always known files to be in sda3.
[14:46] <HelenB> all my music collection is in there.
[14:46] <HelenB> my documents are in there
[14:46] <tsimpson> what filesystem does it use?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> HelenB, what file system format ?
[14:47] <HelenB> NTFS
[14:47] <Oxymoron> How do I make this bahs work http://www.pastie.org/3817063 ? I want to have each client and server process and separate tabs as new processes. Now I got new tabs, but the processes do not start in each tab.
[14:48] <tsimpson> HelenB: what does mount say it's filesystem is?
[14:49] <HelenB> tsimpson, mount doesn't have a parameter for reading a drives filesystem.
[14:50] <tsimpson> type "mount | grep sda3", paste that line here
[14:51] <HelenB> /dev/sda3 on /media/DATA type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096)
[14:51] <Oxymoron> tsimpson: ?
[14:51] <HelenB> BluesKaj, How do I apt-get the drivers for b43 wifi drivers?
[14:52] <HelenB> I don't want to use additional drivers it's not working.
[14:52] <HelenB> I really need wifi.
[14:53] <liudas> HelenB: did read here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[14:53] <liudas> there are few possible ways described
[14:54] <liudas> but b34 as for me worked OTB from ubuntu 11.10
[14:54] <HelenB> liudas, Yes.
[14:56] <SunTsu> HelenB: well, ntfs is a proprietary file system, not too well documented, not native to linux, it could be that you are running into an error there and you don't see your stuff because of that
[14:56] <HelenB> :(
[14:56] <BluesKaj> !b43
[14:56] <HelenB> but it's been working for me since 2010
[14:56] <tsimpson> HelenB: try un-mounting it, then add "-t ntfs-3g" to the mount command
[14:57] <tsimpson> it should be using -3g anyway, but who knows
[14:57] <SunTsu> ntfs isn't one of the simplest filesystems around it has multiple streams and much more complicated stuff
[14:58] <maco> SunTsu: and it's different depending on which version of windows did the formatting!
[15:00] <HelenB> tsimpson, still not working. lol
[15:00] <SunTsu> maco: yeah, lots of different versions. I'd do the hell and use linux to mount it rw, too much ways that can fail fundamentally
[15:02] <HelenB> just stuff it
[15:02] <HelenB> can't be bothered.
[15:02] <HelenB> lol
[15:13]  * BluesKaj uses NTFS on an external HDD containing the media files ...no problems with mounting the files, just had to make an entry in fstab
[15:14] <Luddi87> guten tag
[15:20] <iEatChildren> i have a weird issue with any videos i watch online. the people always appear blue
[15:20] <iEatChildren> like blue man group blue
[15:21] <bazhang> iEatChildren, flash video?
[15:21] <iEatChildren> indeed
[15:21] <bazhang> iEatChildren, full screen the flash, then disable hw acceleration
[15:23] <iEatChildren> that fixed it
[15:23] <iEatChildren> thanks
[15:23] <iEatChildren> that is odd...do you know why that happens?
[15:25] <bazhang> no, just the fix. adobe issues are hard to know why
[15:26] <iEatChildren> indeed. thanks for the fix
[15:26] <iEatChildren> !
[15:35] <BluesKaj> glad that sicko left
[15:36] <bazhang> BluesKaj, pardon?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> needs no expalnation
[15:48] <HelenB> BluesKaj, What sicko?
[15:48] <HelenB> oh yeah
[15:48] <HelenB> his nick
[15:48] <HelenB> lol
[15:48] <HelenB> I EAT CHILDREN!
[15:48] <HelenB> RAWR
[15:49] <HelenB> sorry lol
[15:49] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[15:49] <HelenB> I'll stop fpamming now
[15:49] <HelenB> *spamming
[15:49] <bazhang> !ot | HelenB
[16:03] <schlitzer|freihe> hey there i have new lenovo w510 notebook with 1920x1080 resolution, the problem is that fonts are ugly large...
[16:04] <schlitzer|freihe> i guess the dpi information is reportes wrong by the monitor...
[16:04] <schlitzer|freihe> is there a way to adjust this?
[16:13] <dblue> hii
[16:27] <bloup> .
[16:46] <george> BluesKaj: After lots of package configs, reboots and fixing missing dependencies, I believe I did "unbroke" my system. Answer was typing dpkg --clear-avail at first place.
[16:53] <akSeya> hi folks
[16:55] <akSeya> i'm using a virtualbox machine with windows in seamless mode (it does not shows the window borders nor the guest background). The Start menu and taskbar are in the bottom of the monitor.. when I maximize a window from kubuntu, it gets over the start menu and taskbar. My question is: is there a way to limit the maximized window space so that it does not maximize over the taskbar?
[16:55] <robotdevil> wow the sign the petition for firefox2qt isnt going that well :-/
[16:56] <robotdevil> maybe it should be added to channel topic?
[16:56] <akSeya> i know kubuntu can't know where the windows taskbar is, so i just want to tell kde to not use that ~50pixels from the bottom of the monitor
[16:57] <akSeya> maybe i could add a kde widget in that space, but only in a small corner... leme try
[16:58] <akSeya> didn't work.. the virtualbox window skip the panel too
[16:58] <akSeya> any ideas?
[16:59] <IAmNotThatGirl> Why is Kubuntu soo CPU insensive on my netbook? I play a youtube vid and it uses up my CPU. I play some music it uses up my CPU. I do many things and they use up my CPU.
[16:59] <IAmNotThatGirl> I only have an Intel Atom.
[17:03] <liudas> akSeya: you could use let's say http://snag.gy/ to paste your printscreen
[17:04] <liudas> it could save you a lot of words
[17:05] <akSeya> liudas, niiiiice :)
[17:06] <BluesKaj> akSeya, or pastebinit
[17:07] <BluesKaj> !pastebinit
[17:09] <akSeya> well.. it's still not that easy to explain http://snag.gy/kAHci.jpg
[17:09] <IAmNotThatGirl> !ubottu
[17:09] <IAmNotThatGirl> :o
[17:10] <akSeya> i want to "simulate" a panel over the Windows taskbar so that KDE does not maximizes a window over it
[17:10] <akSeya> other words.. i would like that Windows taskbar were always on top
[17:10] <IAmNotThatGirl> akSeya: Windows is offtopic here and KDE doesn't work with Windows. lol
[17:10] <akSeya> or at least on top of maximized kde windows
[17:11] <akSeya> IAmNotThatGirl, i know that ^^
[17:11] <IAmNotThatGirl> oh
[17:11] <akSeya> that's why i asked to simulate a kde panel over that place
[17:12] <akSeya> or something on KDE that I could do so that maximized windows don't maximize over a specific area
[17:13] <akSeya> since virtualbox is in seamless mode, i don't know how to do a "always on top" on virtualbox window
[17:13] <liudas> win is vb guest?
 akSeya: Windows is offtopic here and KDE doesn't work with Windows. lol   <- KDE runs on many OSs, includeing windows
[17:15] <maco> akSeya: for kde on windows, try #kde instead
[17:16] <akSeya> maco, it's not kde on Windows.. it's windows on virtualbox =/
[17:16] <maco> oooh
[17:16] <maco> you could make an additional (but empty) kde panel and put it where itd line up with one end of the windows one
[17:16] <avihay> what akSeya is looking for is a way to ask kwin to reserve some screenspace for the windows guest taskbar
[17:17] <maco> regular widgets would be covered over
[17:17] <akSeya> avihay.. exactly!! thanks god someone can use words better than me :P
[17:17] <avihay> I guess it can be done with kwin scripting
[17:18] <avihay> I also think I ran into a program that does that while looking in the repositories a few years ago
[17:18] <akSeya> oh
[17:22] <avihay> well, I can't find it :-<
[17:22] <akSeya> :(
[17:24] <george> BluesKaj: But now, when I run sudo apt-get autoremove, I get this: http://paste.kde.org/460118/  It doesn't make sense.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> what doesn't make sense ?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> it's in portugese
[17:28] <akSeya> well.. by clicking on vbox taskbar icon on KDE i got it to be always on top.. it's not real thing as maximized windows will have a hidden part under the windows taskbar
[17:28] <akSeya> it's a temp solution..
[17:30] <george> BluesKaj: Why remove libreoffice, ubufox? Or those are not going to be removed? Is it safe to run sudo apt-get autoremove, since it's going to remove the packages listed on paste?
[17:31] <liudas> akSeya: u maximized vbox window?
[17:31] <akSeya> liudas, it is in seamless mode
[17:31] <BluesKaj> whenn you run updates the older packages are replaced with new ones when you upgrade
[17:31] <liudas> so what's wrong? i tshould be this way
[17:31] <akSeya> it's a mode where it does not show vbox background, just the windows in it
[17:31] <liudas> i guess
[17:32] <liudas> akSeya: i got that
[17:32] <george> BluesKaj: Ok...
[17:32] <BluesKaj> old dependencies are also remocved with autoremove
[17:32] <liudas> akSeya: it should be as it is in your case
[17:33] <george> BluesKaj: Thanks for your time.
[17:33] <akSeya> hold on.. i got another good printscreen
[17:33] <liudas> akSeya: you need vbox window above kde panel?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> george, np , I hope you get it cleaned up ok
[17:34] <akSeya> liudas, nope.. vbox window is in another monitor
[17:35] <george> BluesKaj: I'm just glad that I was able to fix my system, although I really disliked the new gray boot splash. :(
[17:35] <liudas> akSeya: ok rogger that
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , it's ugly
[17:35] <liudas> akSeya: what is your goal?
[17:35] <akSeya> something like this http://snag.gy/0Zbtt.jpg
[17:36] <akSeya> you see.. now if I maximize a window on the second monitor, it will not use that space on the bottom
[17:36] <akSeya> buuuut
[17:36] <akSeya> that KDE panel is over the Windows taskbar
[17:37] <akSeya> i want all to be like that, but want to view the Windows taskbar
[17:37] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[17:38] <liudas> akSeya: ok - kde panel "area" covers vbox full screen mode? yes?
[17:39] <akSeya> yeap
[17:39] <akSeya> that panel is ther just to save that screenspace
[17:39] <akSeya> if i remove it, a KDE window will be maximized on the whole screen
[17:46] <akSeya> liudas, any idea?! =/
[17:46] <liudas> akSeya: well i don't know solution. u could try - click right edge of the panel - more settings - and try "windows can cover" / "win can go under"
[17:47] <akSeya> i tried that already.. but then the other windows will do that too
[17:47] <akSeya> it's like i want that vbox window ONLY do that
[17:47] <liudas> akSeya: not sure whether i translated correctly back to en
[17:47] <robotdevil> Wow, just fired up a computer with 9.10 on it. Forgot how different it looks.
[17:49] <liudas> akSeya: just tested my vbox with XP everything rocks no problem
[17:50] <akSeya> really!? if you maximize a window in kde, it does not get over the windows taskbar!??!
[17:50] <liudas> akSeya: did you install guest additions in win?
[17:50] <akSeya> yeap
[17:50] <liudas> akSeya: how do you maximize?
[17:50] <akSeya> RCTRL+L
[17:50] <akSeya> it's the seamless mode
[17:51] <liudas> try rctr + f
[17:51] <akSeya> oh. .it's different.. rctrl+f makes vbox on top of all windows
[17:53] <akSeya> do you fell the difference?!
[17:53] <liudas> akSeya: haha i tryed rctr+l. how do i get back? but win panel is above kde pan
[17:53] <akSeya> rctrl+l again
[17:53] <akSeya> but a windows window must be acrive
[17:53] <liudas> akSeya: DOESNT WORK :d
[17:53] <akSeya> you must be inside vbox
[17:54] <akSeya> vbox window must be active
[17:54] <akSeya> damn.. i am having a hard time to choose the words today
[17:54] <akSeya> the right words
[17:58] <akSeya> liudas, got it?
[17:58] <akSeya> you can also find the vbox titlebar
[17:58] <akSeya> it is hidden on the bottom of the scrren usually
[17:58] <liudas> akSeya: yep im good. found how
[18:14] <david___> hi
[18:14] <david___> i need to know how do i restore my boot on my hdd
[18:15] <david___> i got the GRUB and BURG install on usb with kde
[18:15] <david___> now after a bit setting the super boot manager when the usb is not in it keep saying needs grub why
[18:18] <david___> so sorry i brb
[18:25] <david___> ok i am back
[18:25] <david___> how i restore my windows boot?
[18:26] <david___> is it possible to install grub on my hdd?
[19:51] <POQDavid> hi
[19:51] <POQDavid> anyone here know about GRUB??
[19:52] <ChrisGagnon> POQDavid: just ask your question, if someone knows the answer they will respond
[19:52] <POQDavid> ok
[19:54] <POQDavid> i installed Kubuntu on USB driver but the pc was still fine after a bit playing with BURG and Super Boot manager my windows wont boot and it go to GRUB rescue mode
[19:55] <POQDavid> USB Drive*
[19:55] <POQDavid> sorry my wifi failed for a sec
[19:57] <POQDavid> i am really sorry after i asked about my problem my lan failed 2 times
[19:59] <POQDavid> i really need to get the windows's boot back plz
[20:04] <POQDavid> sorry i founf out how to fix it
[20:04] <POQDavid> found*
[20:12] <Bauldrick> whats the default network manager now-a-days ?
[20:20] <avihay> nm-applet
[20:20] <avihay> !nm-applet
[20:21] <BarkingFish> !info nm-applet
[20:21] <BarkingFish> wth?
[20:23] <AS2012> I am new. Can someone please help me with installing Ubuntu to hard drive?
[20:23] <SunTsu> AS2012: the documentation can
[20:24] <avihay> !info plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[20:24] <AS2012> SunTsu: Where do I find that?
[20:25] <SunTsu> AS2012: ubuntu.org? ;)
[20:25] <AS2012> I used GParted to create a GPT & partition/format a 1TB drive to ext3. Afterward, why does it say that there is already 14.81GB on it?
[20:26] <AS2012> Is that normal?
[20:26] <avihay> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.10/installation-guide/index.html
[20:26] <AS2012> I have no idea where the 14.81GB came from, since I haven't installed Ubuntu nor written to the drive yet
[20:29] <SunTsu> AS2012: well, there's much overhead, there's reserved space and such
[20:30] <BluesKaj> AS2012, yes , same hre ..i just formatted my external drive to ext4 and there was 14G used without adding any files ...whatgives?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, for an exrnal drive without an OS?
[20:31] <BluesKaj> external
[20:31] <AS2012> Just from creating a GPT table and then the formatting? I haven't installed Ubuntu yet
[20:32] <AS2012> BluesKaj: did you have a Windows 7 drive hooked up to the Mobo, by chance? I did, but I wouldn't think it could do anything to my ext3 drive, right?
[20:32] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: inodes already exist, and depending on there size that can be quite an overhead with 1TB - not to forget 5% reserved space as default
[20:33] <SunTsu> s/there/their/
[20:34] <AS2012> Huh? What is Inodes? Do you mean that GParted creates overhead on the hard drive... is this only for ext3, because I don't get any space taken when I format via Windows
[20:34] <BluesKaj> as no i had an external drive with NTFS , with no OS , just for media storage, but I thougt (mistakenly) that reformatting it to ext4 would make transfer speeds faster
[20:35] <BluesKaj> AS2012,^
[20:36] <SunTsu> AS2012: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode
[20:37] <SunTsu> AS2012: you probably want to switch to ext4, it has defaults better suited to large filesystems
[20:38] <AS2012> oh really? OK. Will I see the same phenomenon, a 14GB space taken?
[20:39] <BluesKaj> AS2012, yes
[20:39] <SunTsu> not as much, though
[20:39] <SunTsu> ext uses larger inode sizes, less superblocks etc. as default
[20:39] <SunTsu> ext4 even
[20:40] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, well, my external ext4 gobbled 14G without ant files added to the drive or any OS installed
[20:41] <BluesKaj> any
[20:42] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: then lower the percentage reserved for root
[20:43] <BluesKaj> well, i sure hope ext4 is worth the change from NTFS
[20:43] <BluesKaj> not impressed by the transfer speeds so far tho
[20:46] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, a bit late for that .. i wasn't aware I coud do that
[20:47] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: er, no. You can change that anytime you like
[20:47] <avihay> BluesKaj: your speed bottleneck is probably the USB interface
[20:48] <SunTsu> tune2fs is what you want. tune2fs -m 0% $device
[20:48] <SunTsu> yeah, usb is quite a hell for storage
[20:48] <BluesKaj> avihay, nope it's esata to sata
[20:49] <BluesKaj> or sata to esata actually
[20:49] <BluesKaj> i purposely avoided USB altho it's an option
[21:14] <azadpaki> hi all
[21:15] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, which is best to adjust the 14G or data partition
[21:15] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: I don't understand the question
[21:16] <azadpaki> I guess Data Partition for Kubuntu
[21:17] <BluesKaj> SunTsu, the external drive autogenerated the 14G partition when I reformatted the external drive to ext4
[21:17] <BluesKaj> well actaully ext4 generated it I suppose
[21:18] <azadpaki> I use int_ua script to install Kubuntu on N900 it automatically make ext3 and swap partition
[21:18] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: er, what 14g partition are you talking about? I thought you said that you have a 1TB partition which shows 14GB usage
[21:19] <BluesKaj> yes and I'd like to use some of that 14G , since I'm already filling it up quite quickly
[21:20] <AS2012> I'm back. So is the 14GB due to using GParted or ext format... because that is assuming you are going to need a root?
[21:20] <SunTsu> BluesKaj: well, if you only see one partition the choice is easy - because there is none
[21:21] <BluesKaj> yeah , thought so ... bunmmer
[21:22] <AS2012> Is it calculated as a percentage of the total drive? So if I installed Linux onto an 240GB drive, the space taken would be proportionately smaller, correct?
[21:23] <SunTsu> AS2012: right
[21:24] <SunTsu> AS2012: but it doesn't have anything to do with installing something, it's filesystem properties we're talking about
[21:25] <BluesKaj> well, i hope this change to ext4 is worth the effort
[21:25] <AS2012> oh yea, right, thanks. In that case, it won't affect the size of the installation, nor image... can I create one in Linux?
[21:26] <SunTsu> AS2012: image? Sure, ss is your friend
[21:27] <SunTsu> er, dd, fingers were on the wrong key
[21:27] <AS2012> how large of a flash drive do I need to put an image onto it? Just the basics: OS, applications, and a few office documents
[21:28] <BluesKaj> 8g should be enough
[21:29] <AS2012> dd... is that an application on Kubuntu, or something I need to download?
[21:30] <BluesKaj> !dd
[21:30] <SunTsu> AS2012: coreutils, should be installed anyway
[21:30] <AS2012> BluesKaj, thanks, that's good it doesn't take up 40GB+ like Windows does
[21:31] <BluesKaj> AS2012, I use a / partition for the OS , and 10G is plenty , still have 3 left for headroom
[21:32] <AS2012> it's not good to run from a flash drive, though, correct?  Too slow, and lots of read/writing
[21:32] <AS2012> SunTsu: I searched my programs for coreutils... it's not here...?
[21:34] <BluesKaj> AS2012, not as a rule , best to have a proper / OS partition on the HDD
[21:34] <SunTsu> AS2012: it is
[21:37] <AS2012> BluesKaj, that's my understanding. Is is still nice to be able to carry around the flash drive image to use on any computer (can re-install from it to HD, as needed, correct?
[21:37] <AS2012> SunTsu: it is on Kubuntu? how do I find it?
[21:38] <SunTsu> AS2012: it IS there.
[21:38] <BluesKaj> AS2012, on newer pcs that can boot from a USB , yes
[21:39] <AS2012> did you create the 10GB partition first, then install OS?
[21:41] <BluesKaj> yes AS2012 , I always partition the drive first then use manual partitoning options to install the OS...but that's my fav methof
[21:41] <BluesKaj> method
[21:41] <BluesKaj> I also create a /home partition
[21:43] <BluesKaj> some ppl think  a /home is unecessary , but I feel more secure with my data on a separate partition
[21:56] <BluesKaj> Stuff to do
[21:59] <avihay> bahh, kwin crashed on me and I couldn't get to a graphical terminal it to kwin --replace it :-<
[22:10] <avihay> anyone know how to use that $DISPLAY thingy?
[22:24] <DarthFrog> avihay_:  What's your issue with the $DISPLAY variable?


[16:54] <Keybuk> right, so that's all the tests able to be built again
[16:54] <Keybuk> just got to fix a few more test failures
[16:54] <Keybuk> and then I can push the commit of doom!
[16:55] <Keybuk>  18 files changed, 2271 insertions(+), 3012 deletions(-)
[17:39] <ion_> :-)
[17:41] <Keybuk> being the commit that splits Job into Job and JobConfig
[17:43] <Keybuk> though I might try and turn it into lots of bi-sectable commits
[17:43] <Keybuk> not sure how likely that is
[17:48] <Keybuk> WOO!
[17:48] <Keybuk> ALL TESTS PASS!
[17:48] <Keybuk> I cannot tell you how happy this makes me! :D
[17:48] <Keybuk>  18 files changed, 2549 insertions(+), 3105 deletions(-)
[17:49] <ion_> Whee
[17:51]  * Keybuk checks the build with optimisations
[17:57] <Keybuk> (and fixes the usual gcc "I'm stupid" issues)
[18:11] <Keybuk> ok, now the coverage check
[19:04] <phsdv> it seems that the link on http://upstart.ubuntu.com/download.html to the readme file for 0.3.9 is broken...
[19:06] <Keybuk> phsdv: thanks, fixed
[19:06] <phsdv> thanks, starting to read it
[21:36] <CNW8835> hello
[21:47] <Keybuk> hello
[21:47] <CNW8835> do you  happen to know how to make upstart listen to kernel boot options (like "3" to make init/upstart boot into runlevel 3)?
[21:48] <CNW8835> It's my understanding that you just have to put a "3" as a kernel boot parameter, but this doesn't seem to work with upstart
[21:49] <Keybuk> right, it doesn't work
[21:49] <Keybuk> it's a bug
[21:49] <CNW8835> oh, ok
[21:49] <CNW8835> thanks
[21:49] <Keybuk> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/74664
[21:50] <Keybuk> (and also)
[21:50] <Keybuk> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/85014
[21:50] <Keybuk> depending which side of the bug you care about ;)
[21:50] <CNW8835> thanks for the links
[22:56] <Keybuk> http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~keybuk/upstart/main/revision/scott%40netsplit.com-20071019214909-iyq8ua9epn5wsmfw?start_revid=scott%40netsplit.com-20071019214909-iyq8ua9epn5wsmfw
[23:21] <mbiebl> wow
[23:23] <ion_> Hehe
[23:39] <Keybuk> ba
[23:39] <Keybuk> I hate it when I find bugs just by looking
[23:39] <Keybuk> wing-commander init% ./test
[23:39] <Keybuk> test (#0) goal changed from stop to start
[23:39] <Keybuk> test (#0) state changed from waiting to starting
[23:39] <Keybuk> event_new: Pending starting event
[23:39] <Keybuk> test (#0) goal changed from start to stop
[23:39] <Keybuk> Handling starting event
[23:39] <Keybuk> event_finished: Finished starting event
[23:39] <Keybuk> test (#0) state changed from starting to waiting
[23:39] <Keybuk> event_new: Pending stopped event
[23:39] <Keybuk> Handling stopped event
[23:39] <Keybuk> event_finished: Finished stopped event
[23:39] <Keybuk> ...
[23:39] <Keybuk> if the goal changes to stop while the starting event is blocked, you never get a stopping event
[23:39] <Keybuk> just a stopped one
[23:54] <Keybuk> bugger
[23:54] <Keybuk> need two different next states from waiting
[23:55] <Keybuk> from starting, I mean