[00:05] <Jainly> Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'humanity to others'.
[00:05] <Jainly> true or false
[00:06] <oerheks> well, our topic is 'Ubuntu linux for human beings'
[00:06] <oerheks> close, i say
[00:07] <Jainly> whats that mean more specifically
[00:08] <oerheks> ubuntu technical support, there is also #ubuntu-discuss and -offtopic
[00:09] <Jainly> ok but does this channel is empty
[00:09] <oerheks> Do you have a technical support question?
[00:09] <sarnold> there's >950 clients connected. it's not empty :)
[00:10] <Jainly> yes i have!
[00:10] <Jainly> but i have  discuss questions about ubuntu too
[00:11] <Jainly> ubuntu 20.04 cant update the kernel
[00:11] <Bashing-om> Jainly: ^ join in both channels :D
[00:12] <Jainly> also crash a few times after  restarts
[00:12] <Bashing-om> !linux-image-generic focal | Jainly
[00:12] <Jainly> Bashing-om: i will do that xd
[00:13] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic focal | Jainly
[00:13] <oerheks> !hwe
[00:15] <Jainly> i get a new image and using as a Live System with persistent storage now
[00:16] <Jainly> on second machine
[00:17] <RevoSucks> if only people in #windows would actually respond now. getting internet on WSL2 is super important to my work
[00:18] <Jainly> what are you saying
[00:18] <Jainly> to go in windows channel
[00:18] <sarnold> Jainly: no, RevoSucks is using ubuntu on windows through the windows subsystem for linux
[00:19] <sarnold> Jainly: and lamenting the fact that it's hard to get support in either ubuntu places or windows places because it's just kinda a niche for both communities
[00:19] <Jainly> oh
[00:20] <Jainly> well there was issues with WSL 1 version there issues with second too
[00:21] <RevoSucks> well we have a bunch of windows users working on a project which requires emulating an IRIX compiler and the easiest way to do that was modify qemu to run it via qemu-irix, however thats Linux only
[00:21] <RevoSucks> and WSL was the perfect answer to our use case
[00:21] <RevoSucks> so, yes, we really do require it
[00:21] <sarnold> neat project
[00:22] <sarnold> though if the wsl thing throws up too many problems, you could always spin up ubuntu vms in your favourite cloud provider for a few bucks
[00:23] <Jainly> yea
[00:24] <Jainly> but integration is useful and important to developers that switching environments
[00:25] <sarnold> yeah
[00:25] <sarnold> and if you can avoid rsyncing files around all the time, or something similar, you might be more productive
[00:26] <Jainly> thats right
[00:28] <Jainly> sarnold: (offtopic) Are Y arnold from westworld? :D
[00:28] <sarnold> Jainly: no, sorry, I've never seen westworld
[02:09] <Diagon> Anyone might give pointers regarding mouse problems?  Trouble with drag/drop?  Middle click not working or giving multiple clicks?
[02:11] <Diagon> *I mean drag to select
[02:11] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: mostly we see touchpad problems/mouse on specific kernels fail
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> right now a lot of touchpad issues on kernel 5.11
[02:12] <Diagon> Not touchpad.  Both a trackball and a regular laser mouse.  Both on 16.04 and 20.04
[02:12] <Diagon> Started on 16.04, at least a year ago.
[02:12] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: did you try gnome-tweaks to tweak more
[02:12] <Diagon> No - what should I try?
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: well extra options are available on gnome-tweaks and dconf-editor, maybe you find what you need there?
[02:14] <Diagon> Ah, ok.  I have both and will look around, but ...
[02:14] <Diagon> I have a suspicion that at least part of the problem is debouncing issues.
[02:14] <Diagon> I mean, if I'm getting two or three clicks every time I hit the middle button ...
[02:14] <Diagon> Any thoughts on that?
[02:14] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: try gnome-tweaks mouse emulation first, if you cant get it straight there, investigate your dmesg for bugs perhaps
[02:18] <Diagon> Mouse emulation is under Touchpad, no?
[02:18] <Diagon> Acceleration profile, maybe?
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> oh right, it is
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> under mouset there's only paste with middle button option
[02:21] <Diagon> Hm.  Turning that off appears to be helping with the middle click issue ...
[02:21] <Diagon> Not sure if it'll have an effect on left-click, drag to select ...
[02:22] <Diagon> Ya, the drag to select is still problematic.
[02:23] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: there are also /org/gnome/desktop/peripherals/trackball tweaks on dconf
[02:23] <Diagon> Oh, very cool.  Let me have a look.
[02:25] <Diagon> Not much at that location.  Nothing that seems significant.
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> ok try searching mouse values
[02:29] <Diagon> Ooph, lost of stuff here.  gnome>>desktop>>a11y>>mouse has all kinds of dwell threshold, dwell time, etc.
[02:30] <Diagon> gestures ... what is a11y, you know?
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> experiment a bit and leave a journalctl -f open to see whats happening
[02:30] <Diagon> Oh, I.C.  will try .
[02:31] <lotuspsychje> accesibility i think
[02:31] <Diagon> Ok.
[02:32] <Diagon> I notice a lot of trouble with selection like: I try to press down and drag but instead it selects a word or a line.  Or it acts as if I've let go of the left button when I haven't.
[02:32] <Diagon> Any thoughts on that?
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> not sure Diagon i would need to deeper investigate on dmesg too
[02:36] <Diagon> Alright, lotuspsychje - I've got a couple of things to explore.  I appreciate your effort.
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: it worked fine on earlier ubuntu versions you said?
[02:38] <Diagon> Ya, it was working fine on 16.04, but then it stopped working.  I moved to 20.04 on a new machine and was having the same problem.  I tried another trackball (same mode) and it was the same.  I tried this laser mouse, and the problems are similar.
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: maybe its worth testing another DM, perhaps try one of our !flavours to prove its not gnome related issue
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> !flavours
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> a quick usb live flavour for example
[02:41] <Diagon> Ya, I could do that.  I actually have Mate on another machine.  I could fire it up.
[02:41] <Diagon> (good idea.)
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: did you LTS upgrade to all the releases since 16.04 or did you test a fresh 20.04 for your mouse?
[02:53] <Diagon> Ok, so Mate is having the same problem.
[02:53] <Diagon> I did a new install for 20.04.
[02:53] <Diagon> I still have my 16.04 machine.
[02:53] <Diagon> lotuspsychje ^^^
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> that sounds like it could be a bug then
[02:54] <Diagon> Hard to know what to report ...
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> Diagon: well put your dmesg in a paste and share with the volunteers here with all your details so they can deeper investigate would could be the issue
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> im going afk for a while, good luck Diagon
[02:56] <Diagon> Thanks for all the input.
[02:56] <Diagon> I'm going to take a break, too...
[03:18] <gec> haha
[03:36] <gec> 当思念
[06:52] <Berlyn> How straight forward is it to dual boot Windows 10 and Ubuntu with each operating system being on a separate SSD?
[06:58] <william> how to fix usb modem problem ?
[06:59] <EriC^^> Berlyn: pretty straightforward, unless you're using uefi, there might be a bit of tinkering to do post install
[06:59] <Berlyn> EriC^^: Yeah using UEFI
[06:59] <EriC^^> Berlyn: which pc/laptop make?
[06:59] <william> pc
[06:59] <william> in live run
[07:01] <Berlyn> EriC^^: It's all a custom build. Ryzen 5 3600 X with an RX 6600 XT. I have a 250GB SATA SSD and a 1TB NVMe SSD. Was hoping to install Windows on the larger one for gaming purposes, Ubuntu on the smaller one.
[07:02] <alkisg> Berlyn: If you don't want to bother with software at all, you can just remove the other sata cable while installing the other OS. Then you'll have 2 efi partitions etc etc, and you'll be able to select which one to boot via f12 (uefi boot manager)
[07:02] <Znevna> hello, dumb question, from where does dnsstublistener resolve the localhost ?
[07:02] <EriC^^> Berlyn: which motherboard make?
[07:02] <Berlyn> alkisg: That sounds like exactly what I want actually. I assume that will mean as well that if Windows decides to mess about with an upgrade, it won't touch the GRUB bootloader on the other drive.
[07:03] <alkisg> Znevna: I think it's hardcoded in the code of systemd, in resolvctl
[07:03] <Berlyn> EriC^^: I think a Gigabyte X570 or something
[07:03] <alkisg> Berlyn: eh sure, one can only hope :) In theory, under UEFI, windows can't even mess with the /EFI/ubuntu directory at all, even if it's in the same UEFI partition
[07:04] <Znevna> alkisg: sad then, if i use another resolver everytime I login ubuntu cries about 'ubuntu' (the hostname) not known or something
[07:04] <alkisg> Znevna: the ubuntu installer puts the hostname in /etc/hosts
[07:04] <Znevna> checked
[07:04] <alkisg> E.g.: <IP_ADDRESS>	alkis
[07:05] <Znevna> it does not
[07:05] <Znevna> well, this one didnt
[07:05] <alkisg> You may put it manually if for some reason you don't have it
[07:06] <Znevna> yes I can do that, I was just curious how it does it without using /etc/hosts
[07:17] <william> when I run ubuntu live _  The internet icon is question mark and net is very slow _ what is the problem ?
[07:17] <william> I have usb modem (zte mf79u) _ ubuntu 20.04.3 _  usb modem connected to pc via usb cable 2.0
[07:21] <william> please guide me
[07:22] <busterkvm> to where?
[07:22] <Znevna> airport
[07:23] <busterkvm> restrooms are over there
[07:26] <william> when I run ubuntu live , the internet icon is question mark and net is very slow , what is the problem ?
[07:26] <william>  I have usb modem (zte mf79u) , ubuntu 20.04.3 ,  usb modem connected to pc via usb cable 2.0
[07:29] <william> all afk ?
[07:37] <uhrensohn> I'm doing autoinstall of 20.04, my user-data contains late-commands: - curtin in-target --target /target sed -i s/#AllowAgentForwarding/AllowAgentForwarding/ /etc/ssh/sshd_config; this fails, but the line works when I do it after installation, why?
[07:40] <alkisg> # in shell means comment; put quotes in the sed expression?
[07:49] <tsujp> is using `sudo -C` a security risk? It's disabled by default which is why I ask
[07:56] <uhrensohn> alkisg, I added ' around the 's///' but still fails with exit code 2, this again works in the shell after installation :-(
[07:59] <EriC^^> uhrensohn: try using @ instead of / , sed 's@stuff@here@'
[08:04] <_________> uhrensohn: make sure /etc/ssh/sshd_config exists, exit code 2 means bad input: EXIT_BAD_INPUT = 2, /* failed to open some of the input files */
[08:04] <_________> uhrensohn: or maybe you need sudo sed
[08:21] <uhrensohn> solved, I needed -- in curtin in-target --target /target -- sed -i 's/#AllowAgentForwarding/AllowAgentForwarding/' /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:41] <fdan> How many NTP servers would you configure in your local ntp.conf?
[08:44] <uhrensohn> in installed 20.04: sudo echo "AllowStreamLocalForwarding no" >> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[08:44] <uhrensohn> bash: /etc/ssh/sshd_config: Permission denied, why? I can edit the file with sudo fine but not echo?
[08:56] <alkisg> The >> part runs as the user
[08:56] <alkisg> Do echo xxx | sudo tee -a sshdconfig instead
[09:04] <uhrensohn> alkisg, thanks
[10:01] <Berlyn> Trying to do a fresh 20.04.3 install with my new RX 6700 XT. Just sits on manufacturers logo with regular boot, but can boot into Graphics Safe Mode. Is this GPU not supported on the 5.11 kernel?
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: share your dmesg in a pastebin please, so the volunteers can take a look whats happening for you
[10:07] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/tuM5qp5y
[10:08] <Berlyn> This is from me booting into Ubuntu 20.04.3 in Safe Graphics Mode.
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | Berlyn to get in
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: after you get in nomodeset, try to install your nvidia drivers check wich versions with; ubuntu-drivers list
[10:11] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: I don't have a NVIDIA card, it's an AMD RX 6700 XT
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: in that case, things might get a bit more complex, as amdgpu should be loading out of the box normaly
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: we often see users benefit amd cards & ryzen cpu's benefit higher kernels
[10:14] <Berlyn> Does 21.04 have a newer kernel than 20.04.3? I assumed the HWE meant they were aligned
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: so you got a few options, you could test a higher !mainline kernel ontop 20.04 or indeed try higher ubuntu releases with newer kernels 21.04 and 21.10 (devel)
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic hirsute
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: i see your kernel is on .27 did you be able to update?
[10:17] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje, I haven't installed it yet, running from live cd
[10:18] <Berlyn> Well live usb
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> ah
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> then you better install 20.04 physical first and update system to latest to find out
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> maybe there are already aware of the bug and fixed it on .27
[10:19] <Berlyn> Hirsute is using a newer kernel?
[10:19] <Berlyn> I can try to boot into that, see if I have similar issues
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> no, its like you say similar kernel as your 20.04 HWE
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic impish
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> could try 21.10 kernel though Berlyn
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> but there you would get new surprises as its default to wayland now
[10:22] <Berlyn> I run 21.04 on my laptop, I just had a 20.04 USB laying around
[10:23] <v0lZy> hi
[10:24] <v0lZy> I have an issue on 18.04 ... not sure if this is a safety ... but I created a folder /data at the very top of the filesystem tree ... and I cant mount my vgData-lvData1 into it
[10:24] <v0lZy> I get no error, and if I add UUID into /etc/fstab and do a mount-a it says successfuly mounted, but I dont see my filesystem when i do ls -al /data
[10:25] <v0lZy> # mount -v /dev/mapper/vgData-lvData1 /data
[10:25] <v0lZy> mount: /dev/mapper/vgData-lvData1 mounted on /data.
[10:25] <v0lZy> root@azbsllecst01:/# ls -al /data
[10:26] <v0lZy> total 8
[10:26] <v0lZy> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 Aug 24 08:55 .
[10:26] <v0lZy> drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Sep 15 10:19 ..
[10:26] <v0lZy> I should see the lost+found directory
[10:26] <v0lZy> I dont.
[10:26] <v0lZy> but I do see it just fine if I mount to /data1 for example
[10:27] <v0lZy> is '/data' a resricted keyword for mounting?
[10:32] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: 21.04 boots, but getting some weird green and purple artifacting
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: can you share a dmesg from there please?
[10:38] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/zVk6M1S4
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: that looks more sane already then previous
[10:41] <Berlyn> Yeah, it's running nicely apart from the random artifacting
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: how about you install physical and update to latest
[10:42] <Berlyn> I guess I could install and update, see how that goes
[10:42] <Berlyn> Give me 115
[10:42] <Berlyn> *15
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> sure thing
[10:53] <alekksander> hello. my temperatures sensors stopped working. i don't recall if i did anything to break it as it was long time ago. is there anything specific in installed packets to check?
[10:53] <alekksander> or any particular systemd service that might be off?
[10:57] <alekksander> (need to restart)
[11:29] <Lumpio-> How do I fix snap Chromium? Not a specific issue, but the fact that it just keeps breaking in new ways.
[11:30] <Lumpio-> Currently it randomly loses a bunch of fonts that definitely exist, and starts rendering squares
[11:30] <Lumpio-> Also daring to open a context menu freezes the process for a minute
[11:30] <Lumpio-> This is literally not an issue in anything except snap Chromium.
[11:30] <pasiz> Lumpio-: contact snap packager that are responsible for chromium
[11:31] <Lumpio-> Using snap for something essential and not just a program you run for fun now and then has to be the worst idea in the history of ideas.
[11:31] <Lumpio-> Who is responsible for making the fake chromium package that installs snap for you behind your back instead of the real contents?
[11:33] <Lumpio-> I mean the first time that happened it broke file uploads, as well as icons and mouse cursors. How does something this terrible get through QA?
[11:36] <tsujp> Use firefox!
[11:37] <Lumpio-> I will switch to Firefox exclusively if you switch to Windows exclusively.
[11:39] <tsujp> s/Windows/Linux/g deal
[11:43] <tsujp> as for snaps
[11:43] <tsujp> idk, dont use them
[11:43] <tsujp> snap sucks
[11:43] <tsujp> flatpak chormium? appimage chromium?
[11:44] <tsujp> if you're being forced snap with default packages.. that's.. to be expected? ubuntu is a commercial distribution because it's run by a commercial company
[11:44] <tsujp> that's not a bad thing like ubuntu is the entrypoint to linux for a TONNE of people
[11:44] <tsujp> but canonical can do w/e they want
[11:44] <tsujp> its their distro
[11:45] <tsujp> canonical says you get snaps by default, so be it
[11:56] <vlm> what uses are the inputrc file for example keybinds, for those i could use the bashrc file, how do they differ? Couldnt find any help page for inputrc file
[11:56] <geirha> inputrc will apply to any program that uses readline, not just bash
[11:57] <vlm> geirha, thanks
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> tsujp: please dont advice users to not use snaps, its provided now even if you dont agree personaly we need to leave the choice to the end users
[12:11] <Lumpio-> lotuspsychje: I would've appreciated that advice before losing hair over snap Chromium
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> Lumpio-: the chromium snap official publisher is canonical and they use launchpad for bugs
[12:25] <ren0v0> @TJ-, @lotuspsychje I never did resolve that USB issue. Kernel update didn't fix anything and removing 50-android.rules for udev eitehr
[12:25] <ren0v0> anything else i can check? it's super frustrating
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> refresh our minds ren0v0 what was that about
[12:26] <ren0v0> @lotuspsychje, basically when I connect my DAC (via Roon), it stops my keyboard and mouse from working
[12:26] <ren0v0> it has also happened maybe once with another devices, but i often start roon instantly after boot, so likely it could be any USB device
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: did you consider filing a new !bug for it yet, so you can follow-up more easy and the devs know about?
[12:30] <ren0v0> @lotuspsychje, i'm not sure its a bug though, i've used this combination of hardware for a few years
[12:30] <ren0v0> and then i was messing with udev
[12:30] <ren0v0> let me paste some logs see if you can see anything
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: so it worked like a charm before?
[12:31] <ren0v0> o yes very much so
[12:32] <ren0v0> @lotuspsychje, here you go https://pastebin.com/17LVRJrC
[12:33] <ren0v0> this is syslog, maybe there is a better log file i dont know
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> ren0v0: well im not a udev expert myself, but if you once got it working, what did you do exactly to scramble up things and cant you revert it with a clean setup/test new user?
[12:35] <ren0v0> This was completely unrelated, I only messed with udev (and assuming its related), because i was playing with flashing an android phone
[12:46] <ajay_> #join #kernelnewbies
[12:46] <Berlyn> Anyone experienced the dock under Wayland really slow to update when you open/close windows?
[12:48] <Berlyn> lotuspsychje: Also, artifacting seems to be gone after install and updating
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> great Berlyn
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: yeah i tested wayland on 21.04 once, stuttering a bit on an older machine
[12:50] <ioria> Berlyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1874578
[12:51] <Berlyn> ioria: Interesting, so it's a known issue
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> Berlyn: you get it only on dock, or also stuttering gnome on login?
[12:52] <ioria> Berlyn, yeah, the fix seems to be : gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-mounts false
[12:52] <Berlyn> ioria: Have tried that, didn't fix the problem
[12:52] <Berlyn> Running X11, everything is fine
[12:52] <ioria> Berlyn, do it two times , and  logout/login
[12:53] <Berlyn> ioria: Well there you go, now we're cooking with fire
[12:53] <Berlyn> Thanks mate
[12:53] <ioria> Berlyn, ok
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> dont forget to help the community and affect to that bug Berlyn
[13:23] <xrandr> Hello. I am trying to use gnome-software to install a package, and it just sits there on "Pending Installation". Any idea on how to resolve this?
[13:30] <P4z> Hello. Could somebody help me understanding linux permissions in Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS, please? I thought it's simple but it does not work as I expected.
[13:30] <P4z> I have files with permissions like `drwxrwxr-x 2 user1 user1group 4096 Sep 14 05:32 /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/../../../Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/` or `-rw-rw-r-- 1 user1 user1group 94 Sep 14 05:32 /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/../../../Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/xsd`. I also have user `uid=1002(user2) gid=1001(user1group)
[13:30] <P4z> groups=1001(user1group),1002(user2group)`. But when I issue `chmod a+x /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Build/BatchFiles/Linux/../../../Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/*` as user2 then I receive `chmod: changing permissions of ... : Operation not permitted`. What is wrong so user2 cannot change user1 files?
[13:31] <xrandr> P4z: You need to change the group permissions:  chmod g+rwx <filename or directory>
[13:31] <P4z> xrandr: hi, have you tried apt or aptitude in terminal to install that package? I believe apt will tell you more details about the status.
[13:31] <xrandr> And make sure user1 and user2 are in the same group.
[13:32] <P4z> yes, they both are in user1group, xrandr. also the permissions for a group are present
[13:32] <xrandr> P4z: I can do the installs via command line, but I am uncertain as to why the software center stopped working
[13:32] <P4z> no idea about that. there should be logs somewhere however
[13:34] <P4z> xrandr: try first force kill gnome-software then remove ~/.cache/gnome-software and and any folder related to gnome-software in ~/.config ~/.local/share.
[13:37] <P4z> do I need a +x permission on file to change its permission? i've already have a +w flag on the files and containing directory but still receive Operation not permitted. :(
[13:55] <jsmooth> I just installed the latest JDK from official download source. However, when I check the Java version it still has the older one
[13:55] <jsmooth> It's using Java 11 when Java 17 is installed
[13:55] <leftyfb> jsmooth: https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-set-default-java-version-on-ubuntu-debian/
[13:55] <jsmooth> I installed the bin deb
[13:58] <jsmooth> That tells me to use update-alternatives, which does not see Java 17
[13:59] <leftyfb> jsmooth: then something is wrong with that .deb you installed. You'll need to reach out to Oracle for support with their package.
[13:59] <xrandr> P4z: +x = executable. +r = read +w = write
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: gnome-software does that sometimes on external software, wich program are you trying to install?
[14:00] <xrandr> P4z: and I've tried those suggestions (googled it), and it doesn't work. I'll just install Synaptic and use that.
[14:00] <xrandr> lotuspsychje: Aisleriot Solitaire as a test
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: hmm weird, thats just from the repos
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> xrandr: try launching gnome software from terminal perhaps catch errors there
[14:01] <jsmooth> /usr/share/java seems to have all java execs with no version separation
[14:01] <xrandr> It seems like anything it is trying to install from 'flatpak' doesn't want to work. Even when I switch to Zorin 16 (I am running Zorin OS 16 Pro which is based off of Ubuntu), it still doesn't work.
[14:01] <xrandr> ok
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> we can only advice on vanilla ubuntu and their flavours xrandr
[14:02] <leftyfb> !zorin | xrandr
[14:02] <xrandr> lotuspsychje: there's no zorin os support channel on here.  :)
[14:02] <leftyfb> !zorinOS | xrandr
[14:03] <leftyfb> xrandr: https://forum.zorin.com/
[14:03] <xrandr> okay
[14:04] <xrandr> leftyfb: either way though, the gnome-software is the same, so any suggestions that would work on Ubuntu *should* work on Zorin
[14:04] <leftyfb> xrandr: I suggest installing ubuntu
[14:17] <P4z> `+x = executable. +r = read +w = write` yeah, i knew that. and everything seems to be correct but still I receive Operation not permitted. I believe there must be something else preventing user2 to change permissions on those files. but what could that be? that is a fresh installation of Ubuntu LTS with 2 users and some files checked out of SVN repository.
[14:44] <xrandr> P4z: are user1 and user2 in the same group, and the file owned by that group?
[14:45] <mei> how can i free /boot a bit? i made it 500 MB but apparently nowday is not that much
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> mei: bleachbit and stacer are nice cleaners GUI if you like
[14:45] <Mathisen> mei, how many dists you dualboot with ?
[14:45] <EriC^^> mei: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[14:45] <Mathisen> EriC^^, ++
[14:45] <mei> only ubuntu...
[14:46] <mei> there is nothing to remove
[14:46] <P4z> mei: check what images do you have installed with `dpkg -l | grep linux-image`, which one is in use `uname -a` and remove nonused images e.g.: `sudo apt purge linux-image-5.4.0-84-generic`
[14:46] <EriC^^> mei: have you not restarted in a very long time?
[14:47] <P4z> also you can `du -sh /boot/*` to check which files are occupying space the most, mei
[14:47] <mei> https://pastebin.com/raw/JYKeWwXx
[14:48] <mei> i will remove linux-image-5.11.0-34-generic
[14:48] <mei> uhm yeah it's like 100 MB each kernel
[14:49] <ioria> not a good idea
[14:49] <P4z> mei, if you run linux-image-5.11.0-34-generic (check with `uname -r`) then you can remove linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic. you should reboot your PC before that so there are no pending changes to apply
[14:49] <mei> i'm running 5.11.0-34-generic
[14:49] <ioria> precisely
[14:49] <Mathisen> mei, run this >> tree /boot | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
[14:49] <Mathisen> mei, and give uss the url it says
[14:50] <mei> yeah sorry, i'm removing linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic
[14:58] <Donald__> Hello guys, what is the meaning of the 4 outputs and 2 associated providers in below log
[14:58] <Donald__> xrandr --listproviders
[14:58] <Donald__> Providers: number : 2
[14:58] <Donald__> Provider 0: id: 0x2d9 cap: 0x1, Source Output crtcs: 4 outputs: 2 associated providers: 1 name:NVIDIA-0
[15:14] <TJ-> Donald__: 4 CRTCs, 2 Outputs, 1 Provider
[15:20] <Donald__> @TJ-, I don't understand. is this mean this graphic card can drive 2 displays?
[15:20] <Donald__> the whole output is
[15:20] <Donald__> xrandr --listproviders
[15:20] <Donald__> Providers: number : 2
[15:20] <Donald__> Provider 0: id: 0x2d9 cap: 0x1, Source Output crtcs: 4 outputs: 2 associated providers: 1 name:NVIDIA-0
[15:20] <Donald__> Provider 1: id: 0x308 cap: 0x6, Sink Output, Source Offload crtcs: 3 outputs: 6 associated providers: 1 name:modesetting
[15:24] <TJ-> Donald__: the nvidia GPU seems to be claiming it has 2 outputs
[15:29] <jsmooth> I installed JDK using .bin.deb, but not being able to find installation directory
[15:32] <WWK> 啊这
[15:40] <ioria> jsmooth, try : dpkg --listfiles jdk-xx.x.x | grep -E '.*/bin$'
[15:56] <magga> Hey guys im getting a new laptop today and im gonna install Ubuntu on it. Thinkpad E15 G3 AMD. Anyone got any suggestions for which ISO I should go for
[15:56] <leftyfb> magga: I always recommend the latest LTS. Which is currently 20.04
[15:57] <magga> leftyfb: thnx
[16:04] <magga> btw anyone know if theres a way to use AirPods on a linux machine? :)
[16:06] <leftyfb> magga: 2nd main result on google when searching for "ubuntu airpods" https://reckoning.dev/blog/airpods-pro-ubuntu/
[16:06] <mei> any idea how to fix font in snap store? everywhere else is fine...
[16:07] <mei> https://imgur.com/a/TjjA3gt
[16:07] <magga> leftyfb: well, does it work ? :P
[16:07] <leftyfb> magga: I don't have airpods. Try it
[16:10] <ogra> mei, report it in foum.snapcraft.io ... also attach the full "snap version" output
[16:11] <ogra> *forum.snapcraft.io
[16:11] <mei> well it is snap store... but in ubuntu is "ubuntu software"
[16:12] <ogra> the package is maintained as a snap
[16:13] <ogra> and the maintainers read that forum
[16:14] <mei> okay thank you... it is already reported
[16:16] <ogra> your 'snap version' output would still be helpful to see how widely it spreads across different releases/distros
[16:19] <P4z> guys, is there any way I can debug why an user gets Operation not permitted error when trying to chmod some files? permissions and groups are set correctly according to me. any logs for these?
[16:35] <rfm> P4z, no lons but "man 2 chmod" says EPERM is given when effective uid does not match file owner (permissions, grouo don't matter)  or the "immutiable" or "append-only" attributes or set (rare, but displayable with lsattr)
[16:39] <TJ-> P4z: does the user, their group, or other, have Write mode on the directory where the files live?
[16:39] <P4z> thanks for helping, rfm. lsattr on those files shows only `--------------e-----` but some files returns `lsattr: Operation not supported While reading flags on /projects/HDD3T-1/project/Engine/Binaries/ThirdParty/Mono/Linux/bin/mono-sgen`. and I want other user to be able to work with those files.
[16:39] <TJ-> P4z: if you're changing the mode, then you're operating on the directory entry, not the file (the directory 'stores' the metadata for each directory entry)
[16:40] <P4z> TJ-: yes, the containing directory now has `drwxrwxrwx` as well as the files. but still I've got Operation not permitted :( this is strange
[16:41] <P4z> oh wait. now i've got it clear with o+rwx
[16:45] <rfm> TJ-, file permissions are in the file's inode, not the directory (with hard links files may not be in a unique directory)
[16:47] <P4z> so I have user1 with `uid=1001(user1) gid=1001(group1) groups=1001(group1),1002(group2)` and user2 with `uid=1002(user2) gid=1001(group1) groups=1001(group1),1002(group2)`. the files had `-rwxrwxr-x 1 user1 group1    94 Sep 15 13:49 mcs*` but user2 could not chmod on these. shouldn't that be enough? when i `chmod a+rw` on those files the problem disappeared but I don't want other to write to those files. what
[16:47] <P4z> did I do wrong?
[16:55] <rfm> P4z, permissions don't matter.  in order to chmod a file a user must be the files owner (or be privileged, i.e. be root).  I don't know why setting a+rw seemed to make a difference, I suspect something else changed)
[16:58] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to identify a USB wifi card that can provide 1 gigabit connection in ubuntu, preferably plug and play.
[16:59] <cluelessperson> Does anyone have any suggestion what I should be looking at?
[17:00] <rfm> P4z, if you're trying to set up a directory tree where multiple users (all in a group) can manip the files, you want to (as root) chgrp everything to the shared group, set ug+rw on all the files, ug+rwx on all the directories, and set the setgid bit on all the directories with chmod g+S
[17:03] <cluelessperson> P4z,   find "${find_path}" -mount -type "${file_or_dir  (f or d)}" -print0 | xargs -0 chmod "${verbose_about_changes   --changes}" "${permissions}"
[17:03] <rfm> P4z, argh, i mean g+s not g+S
[17:07] <P4z> thanks for you help, guys. <3 will try that the next day.
[17:08] <cluelessperson> yee
[19:01] <webchat29> i'm on 20.04 how the hell do i install this package https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/focal-updates/llvm-toolchain-11
[19:01] <webchat29> apt-cache search can't locate
[19:01] <webchat29> added backports and still can't locate
[19:05] <sarnold> webchat65: where did you get 'backports' from? that's not even on that page.. it says those packages are in focal-updates, and eg apt-cache policy clang-11 shows it in focal-updates on my system..
[19:07] <webchat29> sarnold root@a0bdf303a100:/# apt-cache policy llvm-toolchain-11
[19:07] <webchat29> N: Unable to locate package llvm-toolchain-11
[19:08] <sarnold> webchat29: sure, you can't install a source package, you can only install binary packages
[19:08] <webchat29> ohhhhh
[19:08] <webchat29> is there anyway to install all of those in one fell swoop?
[19:09] <sarnold> excellent question, I don't know
[19:10] <webchat29> can i get a list from the command line of packages build by that source back (and then xargs...)
[19:11] <webchat29> apt-get source llvm-toolchain-11
[19:11] <webchat29> Reading package lists... Done
[19:11] <webchat29> E: Unable to find a source package for llvm-toolchain-11
[19:11] <webchat29> lol
[19:12] <webchat29> i uncommented deb-src too
[19:14] <genii> did you run update after
[19:17] <webchat29> ofc
[19:17] <webchat29> like 4 times
[19:17] <webchat29> what copy paste it is
[19:17] <webchat29> *whatever
[19:24] <leftyfb> webchat65: can I ask, why do you need that particular package?
[19:24] <leftyfb> oh, nm, wrong person
[19:26] <morgans> 20.04 my problem is that once, twice three times a lady, Lady Ubuntu asks me if I want to install updated software, the window sits behind and browser software slows... Is there some way I can get the software to just automatically update (best) or hold all requests till night and then auto-yes?
[19:26] <morgans> and by the first lady I means per day.
[19:29] <sarnold> morgans: if you've got the unattended-upgrades package installed (the default) it'll install security updates overnight already
[19:30] <sarnold> morgans: so whatever's left is bug-fix udpates; you can configure unattended-upgrades to install those, too, if you like
[19:31] <morgans> reading and thinking about what you said. (I "thought" I had do it automatically chaecked) so, -- Since it is NOT already doing it overnight (that I know of) --- What do I do next?
[19:32] <sarnold> morgans: check the logs, /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log (and the other files in that directory) -- there might be a notice of what's going wrong
[19:33] <morgans> sarnold when I searche what are ubuntu bug-fix upgrades I didnt find any useful results to help me understand what that is.
[19:34] <Croran> morgans: yeah i get some stupid update notices too. I wish I could disable all that  and just do updates manually.
[19:34] <sarnold> morgans: security updates go into the security pocket; bug fix updates go into the updates pocket
[19:35] <sarnold> morgans: I think this mail list mail be the easiest way to see which packages are going where https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/focal-changes/2021-September/date.html but there may be better tools for that
[19:37] <morgans> sarnold the log upgrades file lists the last entry as all upgrades installed at 7 am and the two I have seen today wee well after that.
[19:37] <morgans> OK gotcha re pockets
[19:39] <morgans> This is not toooo far above me - and yet I still need to remove, clea and reposition my 2 memory modules in slots 1 and 2 into different slots and see if my troubles clear up.
[19:39] <morgans> Thanks and I will save all this in a TECH HELP file.
[19:39] <sarnold> morgans: interesting.. I wonder if moving the apt-* timers around will do the trick, check systemctl list-timers output and see if they ran after seven am
[19:41] <morgans> Oh, that is something to do. what is the systemcti list timer output? Let me google to see what I can learn before I get an answer here....
[19:42] <Croran> morgans: what's a tech help file?
[19:42] <morgans> But there's more. I am using the TEXT program that is like gedit and I want one that will make links into live links ---> like the macintosh has had since its year 1. (sorry for the lob) DO WE even HAVE such a program?
[19:43] <morgans> Croran, it is a text file on my computer in which I keep TECHnical help suggestions or info.
[19:43] <Croran> morgans: libre office
[19:43] <morgans> no libre is ENORmous and complicated. SMH
[19:44] <morgans> hint: mac has had it always.
[19:44] <Croran> morgans: i think you're writing a code with your capitalizations... lol
[19:44] <morgans> <*/ code is like this or so I thought>
[19:44] <sarnold> morgans: gnome-terminal and other terminals can auto-clickify links for you
[19:45] <sarnold> morgans: some terminals have it, some terminals have it as a plugin, some can't do it at all
[19:45] <morgans> OFFTOPIC I need a good book for Python for people who are already programmers)
[19:45] <Croran> ah true. you could use vim in a terminal and ctrl-click the links there.
[19:46] <morgans> ah I remember something like vi when I was in the way way back
[19:46] <Croran> morgans: have you tried 'automate the boring stuff'? it's free.
[19:46] <morgans> will look for that.
[19:47] <morgans> Will switch to offtopic for this discussion
[19:52] <oldgalileo> Do the %release%-updates repositories pull packages to force the latest version?
[19:52] <oldgalileo> Build script failed on 237-3systemd10.51, and updating it to 10.52 fixed it (which is the new latest release)
[19:52] <oldgalileo> 🙃
[20:07] <noarb> I just restarted my ubuntu 21.04 machine and my display is now messed up. I'm using nvidia drivers. Is the 390 driver messed up here? https://bpa.st/ACWA When I try to upgrade it says the nvidia packages are held back: https://bpa.st/RQBA
[20:09] <Croran> noarb: you're using the nvidia package from the 'additional drivers' GUI in ubuntu?
[20:11] <noarb> I believe I installed them with ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[20:11] <noarb> prior to the upgrade error
[20:13] <Croran> noarb: yeah 390 comes up with an error for me when i run `ubuntu-drivers devices`, even though i don't have that version installed
[20:14] <Croran> "WARNING:root:_pkg_get_support nvidia-driver-390: package has invalid Support Legacyheader, cannot determine support level
[20:15] <Croran> is the error message
[20:16] <noarb> That's the same error I'm getting now. the GUI gives me a list of options in addition to the nouveau driver and the 390
[20:16] <Croran> noarb: are you using 390?
[20:17] <noarb> No, it says I'm using 470
[20:17] <Croran> hmm have you marked any packages for hold?
[20:20] <noarb> No I haven't
[20:20] <noarb> the machine is a relatively fresh installation
[20:28] <noarb> I switched to the nouveau driver, and the reinstalled with ubuntu-drivers autoinstall. It seems to be working OK for now :/
[20:39] <Croran> noarb: nice
[22:16] <Stable> hello
[22:28] <webchat39> Is it possible to install Ubuntu 20.04 on an Intel Macbook?
[22:29] <webchat39> There is so much info out there. It seems like the answer is no on any Macbook newer then 2016 is that true?
[22:43] <SnaveZ> webchat39 - It depends. At some point the macbooks were made with a chip on the board that blocks other OS's from being installed on them.
[22:46] <webchat39> SnaveZ Thanks thats what I was thinking but then found posts that suggested otherwise.


[00:04] <[0gb_us]> Hello!
[01:36] <xubuntu941> hi, what is a good website to learn how to keep hdmi output on without it going blank or a sleep?
[02:14] <Guest31086> jus installed xubuntu, however it did not get added to the grub list on my ubuntu boot list
[02:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Guest31086: Stick your Live image back in, boot from it, [ sudo apt-add-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair ; sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install boot-repair ] then run Boot Repair and reboot when it's done.
[02:15] <Guest31086> much appreciated
[03:20] <xubuntu417> Hello! sombody speak russhian?
[03:21] <xubuntu417> o thanks))) i go read more books(
[03:29] <bazhang> !ru | xubuntu417
[03:31] <xubuntu417> где набрать?
[03:31] <bazhang>  /join #ubuntu-ru    <------ xubuntu417
[03:32] <xubuntu417> подкажите как на xubuntu gnom ysтаноvить?
[03:32] <bazhang> English here please
[03:34] <xubuntu417> Ok ! how install Gnomе ??
[03:34] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <xubuntu417> ok thanks bazhang
[03:36] <bazhang> np
[04:54] <Potynho> Hellol
[04:54] <Potynho> i need help with VBox
[04:55] <Potynho> i can't instal the vbox guest additions
[04:55] <Potynho> install*
[05:15] <Potynho> Anyone?
[05:16] <holstein> Potynho: its in the menu
[05:16] <Potynho> But
[05:16] <holstein> Potynho: "install guest additions" ..it'll go and download the iso.. you mount it, and navigate to it.. and run the install.sh or whatever the install is
[05:16] <holstein> OR, you can get it from the repos now AFAIK...
[05:16] <Potynho> The vbox turn my screen black screen
[05:17] <Potynho> on installation
[05:17] <holstein> turn your screen black screen?
[05:17] <holstein> Potynho: guest additions is for the performance of the guest
[05:18] <Potynho> but with this i can turn the real fullscreen
[05:18] <holstein> Potynho: what host and guest are you trying to set up?
[05:18] <Potynho> the video drive
[05:18] <Potynho> host = windows
[05:19] <Potynho> guest = Voyager Linux 13.04
[05:19] <holstein> Potynho: ask in a voyager support channel
[05:19] <Potynho> but on installation says to me to use this IRC
[05:19] <holstein> Potynho: otherwise, any ubuntu version should "just work"..
[05:19] <holstein> Potynho: you are not using xubuntu, however
[05:20] <Potynho> shit
[05:20] <holstein> Potynho: anyway, the instructions should be similar
[05:20] <holstein> !language | Potynho
[05:20] <Potynho> Oooh
[05:20] <Potynho> sorry
[05:20] <holstein> Potynho: http://virtualboxes.org/doc/installing-guest-additions-on-ubuntu/ for example
[05:21] <Potynho> i need update the apt
[05:21] <Potynho> hmmm
[05:22] <holstein> Potynho: you should download xubuntu, and follow the guide
[05:22] <holstein> otherwise, as voyager support if the guide desnt work in voyager.. i dont use voyager, and its not supported here
[05:22] <Potynho> but my iso are voyagerand says its xubuntu
[05:22] <Potynho> LOL
[05:22] <holstein> Potynho: its not xubuntu though.. and its not able to be supported here
[05:23] <Potynho> ok, thanks
[05:23] <holstein> Potynho: you or i can get the xubuntu iso and change it and make our own customized version, as voyager has done.. but its not supported here
[05:23] <holstein> the guid i gave should work with *any* debian/ubuntu based
[05:23] <holstein> guide*
[05:24] <holstein> Potynho: if it doesnt, i literally have no way of knowing, since i dont use voyager.. and this is not a voyager support channel
[05:24] <Potynho> Hey, do u know a distro Linux to an PC with 256 MB Ram with Installation Interface?
[05:24] <Noskcaj> Potynho, xubuntu might work, lubuntu will work
[05:24] <Noskcaj> especially if you can go to lubuntu 13.10, which includes zRAM
[05:25] <holstein> !lubuntu
[05:40] <Potynho> Thanks holstein
[05:44] <Potynho> bye
[10:34] <finca_xubuntu> I’m using Xubuntu 12.04, and I’m coming across an issue when I try to use the Screenshot function. In particular, when I try to capture a part of the screen, the desktop becomes practically opaque and I can barely see the area I was trying to select.   Is there a way to modify the opacity for this function, to make it more transparent or remove the filter entirely?
[10:34] <well_laid_lawn> finca_xubuntu:  are you using the compositor?
[10:40] <finca_xubuntu> well_laid_lawn: no. not using the compositor.
[12:27] <zbutsam> hi, i can play sounds only as root user, normal user is in audio and pulse-access groups...can someone please give me some hints?
[18:57] <jouke_> How do I debug xfce?
[18:58] <jouke_> when I close firefox and open a terminal window shortly after, I get logged out
[18:59] <Sysi> start with ~/.xsession-errors
[18:59] <Sysi> and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:00] <Sysi> first one gets rewritten when you log in
[19:08] <jouke_> dmesg: [  207.579972] xfce4-session[2971]: segfault at ffffffff00000000 ip 00007f76c4e2ef7f sp 00007fff63db0860 error 5 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3600.0[7f76c4dcb000+f9000]
[20:10] <karen_> Hi, I was talking to a few people on Ubuntu. I put Xubuntu 12.04, the one that is supported for 5 years on my old PC Pavillion dv6000 about four months ago. It has been working like a champ, but recently, it has had trouble loading up quickly. I don't know if it's the updates that I've been keeping up with, or just a glitch in my computer not wanting to load Xubuntu up. After the bios, it says, "press any key to continue..". I do, but n
[20:10] <karen_> othing works. Finally, after some long seconds, it will load up Xubuntu and the log in page. What does anyone think of this?
[20:49] <genii> That sounds more like bios issue like it finding SMART issue with HD, or no mouse/keyboard plugged in, etc
[21:08] <karen_> When I loaded up Xubuntu 12,04 instead of windows on my old pc, it would load right up fast. It has been taking longer to load up to the log in page now, way over a minute. There is also a black screen after the bio load that says on the top left corner, "press any key to continue.." That wasn't there in the beginning.  I
[21:08] <karen_> t has been running great for about4 months now, but is taking way longer to turn on. What does anyone think?
[21:10] <karen_> Would updates mess with your settings that you did in the beginning to Mozilla Firefox and Adobe Flashplayer, or is that just an online thing?
[21:12] <bekks> karen_: Its not windows. No need to reinstall after a few months.
[21:12] <karen_> hummm what do you think it is that is making my computer take so long to load up to the log in page?
[21:13] <bekks> karen_: A computer with a BIOS needs about 30s after turning it pn to just pass the bios.
[21:13] <karen_> oh.... any other ideas?
[21:16] <karen_> after the bios, it takes a good 30 sec. or more at that page that says, "press any button to continue...".
[21:18] <bekks> karen_: Then do not press anything, since thats a filesystem check most likely, which needs to run regularly.
[21:18] <bekks> karen_: It will take a few minutes only.
[21:19] <karen_> oh     that just started coming up. It never gave me that black screen with that at the top. I had been liking how fast my computer had been turning on until recently.
[21:20] <karen_> Maybe all the updates is been getting?
[21:21] <bekks> No. Dont press anything and just let that screen (and the filesystem check) pass.
[21:22] <karen_> o.k.     what do you think is the cause for the difference in the starting time? Maybe it decided it needed a file check just recently.
[21:22] <bekks> I just told you. Its the filesystem check that needs to be done.
[21:23] <bekks> And every filesystem is checked regularly by default. And now its time - so your computer decided to actually do it.
[21:23] <karen_> o.k.  I was just saying this is a new thing, the last 10 times of turning it on maybe.
[21:23] <David-A> karen_: if it is doing a file system check it will say so, and it is okay. if the "press any key" is in the upper left, there is probably some problem.
[21:23] <bekks> The filesystem check happens about every 20-30 boots by default.
[21:24] <bekks> So in the last 10 boots, you wont have noticed it.
[21:24] <karen_> It's not saying it's doing a file check.
[21:25] <karen_> After the bio boot, it gives a black screen with "press any key to continue...', but like bekks says, maybe that is a file check even though it doesn't say so??
[21:26] <karen_> What other problem could it be?
[21:26] <bekks> Some grub error.
[21:26] <karen_> Is that not important?
[21:27] <David-A> karen_: when you eventually can log in, check the health status of the harddisk (s.m.a.r.t status)
[21:28] <bekks> A SMART error will not cause grub to say "press any key...".
[21:28] <karen_> so, I go to the terminal and write in    s.m.a.r.t status   ?
[21:29] <karen_> I'm new to linux
[21:29] <David-A> karen_: DiskUtility in the system menu. or maybe it has a new name now.
[21:30] <karen_> don't see that
[21:31] <bekks> !smartctl
[21:31] <bekks> hmm.
[21:32] <karen_> so I go to the terminal and write in  what ?
[21:32] <bekks> karen_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[21:34] <karen_> k   thanks guys
[21:34] <David-A> karen_: you can install and use smartctl in the terminal, but if you can find DiskUtility, it is much easier to use
[21:34] <karen_> where is DiskUtility?
[21:35] <karen_> I look around
[21:36] <karen_> I'm not using a disk. I loaded Xubuntu over windows on my computer.
[21:36] <karen_> does that matter?
[21:39] <David-A> karen_: do you mean you installed by Wubi? or running it in a virtual machine on a windows host?
[21:40] <David-A> karen_: seems DiskUtility is not installed by default in Xubuntu 12.04. you can easily find it and install it in Software Center.
[21:41] <karen_> I just burned Xubuntu onto a CD from another computer and stuck it into my not working PC that had windows and loaded it over everything. I have loved it so far for about 4 months, but I'm having trouble now with it coming on so slow..
[21:42] <karen_> oh, I see what you said about installing it from Software Center. So I install it and what then/
[21:42] <karen_> but I'm not using a disk. does that matter?
[21:54] <David-A> karen_: if you installed it on a PC you should be using a disk. what do you mean not using a disk? do you mean ssd (which counts as a disk here, even if it's not)? do you run it in a virtual machine?
[22:28] <dbolton> When I Alt+Middle click a window it dismisses/minimizes the window. Is there a way to turn off this behavior?
[22:29] <dbolton> I'm using an application that uses the same shortcut
[22:30] <dbolton> (Editing automation data in Ardour)
[22:34] <dbolton> I only see keyboard shortcuts in the Xfce settings windows.
[22:41] <stefano666> ciao
[22:41] <onr> hi
[22:41] <stefano666> hi :)


[02:25] <GrueMaster> Daviey: I'll start looking at them this week.  Just returning from holiday/vacation.  Need a vacation just to relax from the vacation.
[09:45] <Daviey> ogra_: Do you have a minute?
[09:45] <Daviey> ogra_: I was hoping you could help me with qemu-system-arm? :)
[11:42] <ogra_> Daviey, whats up ?
[11:45] <Daviey> ogra_: I'm really sucking in trying to get either the server cloudimg's or the core images running in qemu-system-arm
[11:45] <Daviey> They don't seem to output to tty.. and i couldn't get data over serial.
[11:45] <Daviey> So i'm not convinced i'm doing it right.
[11:46] <Daviey> I've been trying versatile(a|p)b
[11:46] <ogra_> on what host ?
[11:46] <Daviey> amd64
[11:46] <ogra_> versatile is rather dead
[11:46] <ogra_> no, which release i mean :)
[11:46] <ogra_> (on the host)
[11:46] <Daviey> Oh, oneiric
[11:46] <ogra_> ah, better use vexpress
[11:47] <Daviey> vexpress is the favoured machine?
[11:47] <ogra_> right, omap should also work i think
[11:48] <nicofs> I am having issues installing libscrollkeeper0 from karmic/lucid repos. all i get is 404... what can i do?
[11:48] <Daviey> ogra_: Could i ask you to try, http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/oneiric/20110821-armel/oneiric-server-cloudimg-armel.tar.gz (tarball contains a disk img and kernel))
[11:49] <ogra_> phew, sure, let me install the qemu stuff, i havent used that since a year or so
[11:49] <ogra_> hmm, though i have no oneiric x86 machine
[11:50] <Daviey> ogra_: I can give you ssh access to a virtual machine if that helps?
[11:50] <Daviey> but no graphical interface if you want that
[11:50] <ogra_> nah, let me roll an oeniric chroot quickly
[11:50] <Daviey> ogra_: expect beer.
[12:01] <ogra_> Daviey, oh, btw, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/20110822/ ac100 images ... (they dont work yet, but are close)
[12:01] <Daviey> ogra_: Oh awesome!
[12:02] <Daviey> ogra_: although, for bare metal arm - i care more about the images working through D-I. :/
[12:03] <ogra_> indeed
[12:03] <ogra_> we dont use them yet untl we have real arm server HW ...
[12:03] <Daviey> .. unless someone writes a pxe enabled dd script :)
[12:03] <ogra_> thats trivial
[12:32] <ogra_> Daviey, so how is your image expected to work ? for the beagle emulation you need a full disk image with boot partitions
[12:32] <ogra_> *partition
[12:33] <ogra_> (containing x-loader and u-boot etc)
[12:39] <Daviey> ogra_: We don't have much idea :)
[12:39] <ogra_> well, you should produce something similar to what we build on the imagebuilders
[12:39] <ogra_> a two partition image with the boot bits in the first (vfat) partition
[12:40] <ogra_> and then go from here https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/Qemu-beagleboard
[12:40] <Daviey> ogra_: I'm loathed to try and replicate what your team is doing.
[12:41] <ogra_> well, probably vexpress can boot more similar to what versatile was
[12:41] <ogra_> that would make it easier
[12:41] <Daviey> ogra_: Does it have isa-serial per chance? :)
[12:41] <ogra_> no idea
[12:41] <ogra_> i never used it :)
[12:42] <Daviey> yeah, libvirt seems to think everyone wants it :)
[12:42] <ogra_> https://wiki.linaro.org/PeterMaydell/QemuVersatileExpress
[12:42] <ogra_> that looks more backwards compatible to versatile than qemu
[12:42] <ogra_> and it seems to be able to emulate 1G
[12:43] <ogra_> heh, ..."If you want you can add "-smp 4" to make it boot as a 4-core SMP model."
[12:44] <Daviey> heh
[12:44] <Daviey> ogra_: Who would be the best person for utlemming to work with to fix our build process?
[12:45] <Daviey> utlemming is our cloud image master. :)
[12:45] <ogra_> well, lets find a proper concept first :)
[12:46] <ogra_> hummmm....
[12:46] <Daviey> ogra_: Well use case is two fold:  1) Emulated ARM hardware using qemu-system-arm.. 2) Some manipulation to get it running on bare metal (probably pandaboard) via LXC.
[12:46] <ogra_> we dont seem to build vexpress netinst images anymore
[12:47] <ogra_> so there is no vmlinuz :(
[12:47] <Daviey> argh
[12:48] <ogra_> i wonder if linaro has something like that
[13:09] <ogra_> Daviey, so using vexpress it cant determine the filesystem of the img it seems
[13:09] <Daviey> argh
[13:10] <ogra_> what fs is it ?
[13:10] <Daviey> $ file oneiric-server-cloudimg-armel.img
[13:10] <Daviey> oneiric-server-cloudimg-armel.img: Linux rev 1.0 ext4 filesystem data, UUID=87915972-5866-47e0-af76-306c3a1143b4, volume name "cloudimg-rootfs" (extents) (large files) (huge files)
[13:10] <ogra_> oh
[13:10] <ogra_> it doesnt try ext4 at all
[13:11] <Daviey> ah, ok - what should it be?
[13:11] <ogra_> it checks ext2/3 above the mount error
[13:11] <ogra_> [    1.231251] No filesystem could mount root, tried:  ext3 ext2 cramfs vfat btrfs
[13:12] <Daviey> Odd that it supports btrfs but not ext4 :/
[13:12] <ogra_> Daviey, so here is what i did ...
[13:12] <ogra_> pulling the latest vexpress hwpack from http://snapshots.linaro.org/oneiric/vexpress-oneiric/20110822/0/images/hwpack/
[13:13] <ogra_> (there is sadly no "current" link and the hwpacks have version numbers in their filename)
[13:13] <ogra_> unpack it, dpkg -x pkgs/linux-image-3.0.0-1001-linaro-vexpress_3.0.0-1001.1~ppa~natty_armel.deb .
[13:14] <ogra_> qemu-system-arm -kernel boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-1001-linaro-vexpress -M vexpress-a9 -cpu cortex-a9 -m 1024 -append 'root=/dev/mmcblk0 rw mem=1024M raid=noautodetect console=ttyAMA0,38400n8 rootwait vmalloc=256MB devtmpfs.mount=0' -sd oneiric-server-cloudimg-armel.img -nographic
[13:17] <ogra_> ...
[13:17] <ogra_> heh
[13:17] <ogra_> root@osiris:/root/tmp# grep EXT4 boot/config-3.0.0-1001-linaro-vexpress
[13:17] <ogra_> # CONFIG_EXT4_FS is not set
[13:17] <ogra_> intresting, not even a module
[13:18] <Daviey> ogra_: that is great!  What do we need to do, to get the hwpack into Oneiric?
[13:18] <ogra_> the vexpress package might be in the archive somewhere actually
[13:18] <Daviey> Ah ok, does vexpress max out at 512MB of RAM like versatile?
[13:19] <ogra_> there you go http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux-linaro-vexpress/
[13:19] <ogra_> it should apparently support 1G
[13:20] <Daviey> groovy.
[13:22] <ogra_> Daviey, if you download the kernel-image udeb (you can also extract that with dpkg -x), that only contains vmlinuz and System.map
[13:23] <Daviey> ah, worth knowing
[13:24] <Daviey> ogra_: So, is there a reason it shouldn't support ext4?  Ie, should i raise a bug - or is there a logical reason?
[13:24] <ogra_> are your instrances supposed to survive reboots ? or is it some throw away thing ?
[13:25] <ogra_> i dotn see a reason to not support ext4
[13:25] <ogra_> if its throw-away i would actually go without journal, that speeds up I/O (and if you dont need reboot-recovery the journal is rather moot anyway)
[13:31] <Daviey> ogra_: should be persistent across reboots
[13:31] <ogra_> ah, k, then better keep a journal ;)
[13:32] <Daviey> although perf is probably more importiant than reliability at this stage IMO :)
[13:32] <ogra_> well, talk to linaor if you need config chaneges in the kernel
[13:32] <ogra_> *linaro
[13:33] <Daviey> linaro being on a different release cycle to us kind of concerns me to rely upon their kernel TBH.
[13:34] <ogra_> the packages in the ubuntu archive fall under the ubuntu release schedule
[13:34] <ogra_> (not more QA than other universe packages indeed)
[13:35] <ogra_> but indeed you can use omap instead, but with less ram and more complex image creation
[13:36] <ogra_> (since the vm behaves exactly like a beagle you also need a matching image)
[13:37] <Daviey> Yeah, i want to be able to allocate as much memory as possible.
[13:37] <Daviey> Ieally up to 16GB :)
[13:38] <ogra_> lol
[13:38] <Daviey> Ideally*
[13:38] <ogra_> so you should go into qemu hacking and invent a VM that can do that
[13:38] <ogra_> i think the vexpress is the biggest we have up to now
[13:39] <ogra_> also dont expect great performance of qemu in general
[14:40] <nicofs> I'm trying to do "sudo -s" in console, but all i get is "sudo: must be setuid root" - what can I do?
[14:41] <nicofs> The system I use (Ubuntu inside maemo on N900) arrived with that glitch. I did nothing to provoke that, I can't reinstall to fix it.
[14:52] <rajendra> help
[15:52] <Daviey> utlemming: Hello!
[15:52] <utlemming> howdy Daviey
[15:53] <Daviey> utlemming: meet ogra_ and NCommander.. they are your new best friends, which we will have to buy lots of beer for at UDS>
[15:53] <utlemming> hello ogra_ and NCommander
[15:55] <Daviey> utlemming: So ogra_ managed to get your images working by doing, http://pb.daviey.com/nINF/
[15:56] <Daviey> ext4 isn't supported by the kernel at this stage, which is why you've changed it to ext3.
[15:56] <utlemming> I just pulled ext4 out of the recipe
[15:56] <utlemming> and I was working on the in-image kernel
[15:57] <utlemming> looking at your pastebin, do we not have a working Ubuntu-provided kernel?
[15:57] <Daviey> You should be able to use, http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux-linaro-vexpress/
[15:58] <Daviey> utlemming: I got a proof of concept with openstack starting the instance, but i lucked out with the options.. If you are able to ack that process works.. we should be able to land that soon.
[15:59] <utlemming> yeah, the change shouldn't be too difficult. I should have confirmation shortly.
[16:04] <utlemming> do we not have a 3.0.0.x kernel for arm images in the ports pool?
[16:06] <Daviey> utlemming: apparently, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.0.0-9.12/+build/2733971
[16:07] <utlemming> ah...okay, so I was using the right kernel :)
[16:08] <Daviey> pass. someone from the arm team is best placed to answer that.
[16:09] <GrueMaster> utlemming: We do for omap/omap4, not sure why there isn't one for vexpress.
[16:10] <utlemming> I was building the cloud images with the omap kernel simply because it was the only one current for the 3.0.0.x kernel tree.
[16:11] <GrueMaster> Might be a question for ppisati.
[16:14] <utlemming> ppisati: can you chime in on the building of vexpress arm kernels?
[16:24] <NCommander> Daviey: why am I buying utlemming beer?
[16:27] <Daviey> NCommander: Awesome!  You can buy me one aswell.
[16:27] <Daviey> NCommander: I think you didn't parse it correctly, beer is being provided for you, not by you.
[16:27] <NCommander> Daviey: er,I just asked why you are buying me beer
[16:27] <NCommander> oh, awesome
[16:27] <NCommander> yay
[16:28]  * NCommander got wired crashed and might be semi-sleep deprieved
[16:28] <charlie-tca> Can I get one too?
[16:29] <Daviey> charlie-tca: no.
[16:29] <charlie-tca> oh, well. Worth asking, anyway :)
[16:30] <Daviey> charlie-tca: heh, sure you can - utlemming is buying.
[16:31]  * GrueMaster sighs.  Everyone always ignores the QA guy when beer is involved.
[16:33] <charlie-tca> +1 GrueMaster
[16:35] <rajendra> Hi, ogra_
[16:35] <rajendra> this is regarding USB OTG
[16:36] <rajendra> last tuesday u had mentioned that u will update the status on USB OTG
[17:30] <nicofs> How can I generate a new .Xauthority file?
[18:42] <utlemming> has anyone had success with the vexpress kernel and networking?
[18:42] <utlemming> I'm seeing "qemu: hardware error: lan9118: Unimplemented MAC register write: 9 = 0x8100"
[19:56] <Daviey> utlemming: lool experienced that a while ago
[19:56] <utlemming> Daviey: thanks
[19:57] <Daviey> utlemming: we need to cherry pick, http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2011-03/msg02900.html
[19:58] <Daviey> Or with a better comment, http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=qemu/qemu-linaro.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0313c00fc
[20:01]  * utlemming looks to test patch
[20:10] <Daviey> utlemming: If that resolves it, lets get a debdiff / branch together to upload.
[20:11] <utlemming> Daviey: sure thing
[20:22] <utlemming> Daviey: patch confirmed
[20:27] <Daviey> utlemming: rocking, show me the money^D debdiff
[20:33] <utlemming> Daviey: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/oneiric/20110822-armel.2 (new images)
[20:33] <Daviey> utlemming: ROCKING.. can you throw me the qemu-system-arm command line you tested it with?
[20:37] <utlemming> Daviey: give me a minute...the image isn't pinging so I think my network setup needs some work
[20:38] <Daviey> bah, who needs network access.
[20:43] <lool> utlemming: vexpress networking only half works sadly; I get some packet drops when doing a netinst  :-/
[20:43] <lool> utlemming: but I didn't get your failure
[20:43] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu-linaro/+bug/799757
[20:43] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 799757 in qemu-linaro "Network unstable with vexpress model" [Undecided,New]
[20:44] <utlemming> lool: well then, whats your qemu invocation?
[20:44] <utlemming> I'm using: qemu-system-arm -kernel boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-1001-linaro-vexpress -M vexpress-a9 -cpu cortex-a9 -m 1024 -append 'root=/dev/mmcblk0 rw mem=1024M raid=noautodetect console=ttyAMA0 ip=<IP_ADDRESS>::<IP_ADDRESS>:<IP_ADDRESS> rootwait vmalloc=256MB devtmpfs.mount=0' -sd oneiric-server-cloudimg-armel.img -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0 --nographic
[20:47] <lool> utlemming: I'm not passing any -net, not sure what raid=noautodetect does and the one thing which is bad here is your -sd which should be -drive file=sd.img,if=sd,cache=writeback
[20:47] <lool> you don't actually need -cpu
[20:48] <lool> I believe you want console=ttyAMA0,115200
[20:48] <lool> I don't know why you pass vmalloc=256MB devtmpfs.mount=0 either
[20:49] <utlemming> both those were feed to me by http://pb.daviey.com/nINF/
[20:50] <utlemming> lool: well, that worked better
[20:52] <utlemming> Daviey: use qemu-system-arm -kernel boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-1001-linaro-vexpress -M vexpress-a9 -cpu cortex-a9 -m 1024 -append 'root=/dev/mmcblk0 rw mem=1024M console=ttyAMA0,115200 rootwait ' -drive file=oneiric-server-cloudimg-armel.img,if=sd,cache=writeback --nographic
[20:52] <Daviey> utlemming: is this on oneiric?
[20:52] <utlemming> I'm using natty. Firing up oneiric now
[20:53] <lool> utlemming: --nographic should be -nographic
[20:53] <utlemming> yup, it should. But qemu didn't spawn an SDL window
[20:55] <Daviey> utlemming: Argh!  That explains why it's not fixed for you :)
[20:55] <Daviey> .. and why i started ranting :(
[20:55] <utlemming> My pleasure to increase your stress level a bit
[20:59] <Daviey> utlemming: I live for stress, yeah baby!
[20:59] <utlemming> Asside from being _dog_ slow, I can confirm the image boots
[21:00] <lool> utlemming: drop -nographic if you want the SDL window
[21:00] <utlemming> lool: is SDL faster?
[21:00] <lool> no
[21:00] <lool> but it gives more features
[21:00] <lool> you can switch between qemu console, serial console and fb
[21:01] <lool> I usually disable graphics and use -serial stdio to get the output of ttyAMA0 on my terminal
[21:02] <utlemming> lool: do you have any suggestion for making it run any faster?
[21:03] <lool> utlemming: only use one CPU, not SMP (1 x cortex-a9 is fine); disable safe writes (-drive above); put the -sd in tmpfs; run on a fast intel box  :-)
[21:03] <lool> utlemming: it will be slow though
[21:04] <lool> utlemming: some useful things can be run under qemu-arm-static instead; you will be using your intel kernel and hosts' files
[21:04] <lool> depends what you're doing, and some things also fail utterly in that mode
[21:05] <utlemming> the images are being installed under qemu-system-arm -- it takes about an hour to generate the images, but works well for debootstrap
[23:20] <michaelh1> Anyone about?  I'm seeing a 20 % drop in performance after updating my PandaBoard kernel to 3.0.  Looking for some kernel hackers...
[23:21] <GrueMaster> michaelh1: Describe your test method.
[23:22] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: CoreMark, which is a CPU bound benchmark.  First noticed on my own NEON benchmark which shows the same results.
[23:23] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: NFS root.  Build CoreMark.  Boot into a random 2.6.35.  Run CoreMark.  Boot into linux-linaro 3.0.  Run same binary.  Compare.
[23:23] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: The bogomips in /proc/cpuinfo is also at ~80 %
[23:24] <michaelh1> LP: #831683
[23:24] <GrueMaster> michaelh1: I'd have to check, but I believe there was an issue with the cpu speed above 900mhz in the kernel (may have been beagleXM).
[23:24] <GrueMaster> lp 831683
[23:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 831683 in linux-linaro "Performance regression between 2.6.35 and 3.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831683
[23:25] <GrueMaster> thanks, ubot2.
[23:26] <michaelh1> Ah, that's the incantation!
[23:26] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: the board is stable with a .35 kernel (it's used in a build farm and works quite hard)
[23:28] <GrueMaster> It is highly possible that this may be related to bug 709245
[23:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 709245 in linux-ti-omap4 "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709245
[23:29] <GrueMaster> Try running with nosmp on the kernel cmdline and see if that helps performance.  Or, try ping -f to the machine while it is busy.
[23:32] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: will do
[23:33] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: note that the machine is idle and this is a single threaded benchmark
[23:34] <GrueMaster> Well, the benchmarks we ran earlier were mainly hdparm and discovered a 10x boost with nosmp.
[23:38] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: nope, nosmp has no effect.  Noted on the bug.
[23:39] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Worth a shot though.
[23:40] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: is there a debug flag I can set to show the clocks/frequencies that have been set?
[23:41] <GrueMaster> It should be in the dmesg output or /var/log/syslog.
[23:45] <michaelh1> GrueMaster: no, nothing.  We'll see what people think of the bug...