[12:27] <mathesis> how run supertux in the thin client?
[12:35] <Burgundavia> mathesis: does supertux require opengl?
[12:36] <mathesis> only the server run supertux in the thin clientes no
[02:31] <mzuverink> Would anyone have a kvoctrain en to es and vice versa in kvtml or know of a link?
[04:41] <mathesis> good evenning
[04:41] <Burgundavia> greating mathesis
[04:45] <mathesis> Burgundavia, yu have cyber with ltsp?
[04:47] <Burgundavia> nope
[04:50] <mathesis> what is you project ltsp?
[04:55] <Burgundavia> are you asking me what I do for LTSP?
[05:26] <mathesis> what is your objective or work with LTSP?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> right, I don't work on LTSP
[06:11] <Guest_523> hi this is the 1st time on IRC have tried to install edubuntu version 6.06 LTS from the disk I got from Cannonical when loading it will not load installer any suggestions?
[06:15] <LaserJock> Guest_523: what does it do?
[06:18] <Guest_523> It won't let me go forward it says it is missing the loader  I did the check cd option before I treid to install the message says a item is missing
[06:19] <LaserJock> Guest_523: what option did you select to install?
[06:19] <Guest_523> stand alone
[06:20] <Guest_523> I can select language location etc but the next step won't go forward
[06:28] <n2diy> Guest_523, and the next option is formatting the drive?
[06:29] <n2diy> oh well.
[06:29] <mathesis> thereis a problem if update edubuntu when finally the instalation firts?
[06:31] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[07:05] <RichEd> greetz LaserJock
[10:08] <willvdl> hey folks
[10:08] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:08] <willvdl> Anyone got some nice wiki-graphics I can use for our site?
[10:16] <willvdl> highvoltage,
[10:16] <willvdl> ping :)
[10:22] <highvoltage> willvdl: pong
[10:22] <willvdl> just on phone...
[10:24] <willvdl> back.
[10:25] <willvdl> highvoltage, I remember you quite liked that idea of how CC and Ubuntu DIY sites have simple large graphics on the front page
[10:25] <willvdl> and was thinging of something similar for our wiki front page
[10:27] <highvoltage> willvdl: that would indeed be nice
[10:27] <highvoltage> willvdl: I think CC made their site a bit more complicated recently, though
[10:27] <willvdl> got any nice graphics? or ideas ?
[10:27] <willvdl> yes, CC did change some stuff
[10:27] <highvoltage> I think I have an old mockup edubuntu.org web page in a tarball at home
[10:28] <highvoltage> I could upload it tonight, it's nothing fancy though
[10:28] <willvdl> cool. ag, some nice references and ideas is always good
[10:28] <highvoltage> yep
[10:28] <willvdl> where di those graphics come from that are currently on EdubuntuWiki?
[10:29] <highvoltage> btw, are you at 12 plein again any time soon? I'll be close by there today tomorrow, and I could drop off a tuxlab cd if you want
[10:29] <willvdl> I will hopefully be there all day tomorrow. that would be cool
[10:29] <highvoltage> those are mostly crystal-svg icons where I just added edubuntu logos to
[10:29] <willvdl> ah. easy enough
[10:29] <highvoltage> the others are from the gartoon icon theme, mostly unmodified
[10:31] <willvdl> I'll drop you a line tomorrow. maybe a quick Gallery Cafe too...
[10:33] <highvoltage> ok
[11:15] <cbx33> hey all
[11:22] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[11:22] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:24] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco
[11:24] <pipedrea1> omg
[11:24] <highvoltage> pipedrea1: it's just an IRC hug okay!!!
[11:25] <jsgotangco> bwahhaa
[11:25] <jsgotangco> don't get any funny thoughts
[11:26] <jsgotangco> you haven't seen a whole group of ubuntu people hugging each other in a sprint often
[11:26] <jsgotangco> :D
[11:33] <juliux> hey highvoltage
[11:34] <highvoltage> hey jules
[11:35] <juliux> highvoltage, did you know how creates the drupal theme for edubuntu.org?
[11:35] <highvoltage> juliux: I'm guilty of that
[11:35] <juliux> highvoltage, cool
[11:35] <highvoltage> juliux: I do think it's time for an update though
[11:35] <juliux> highvoltage, it is possible to the the theme?
[11:36] <highvoltage> to the the theme?
[11:36] <juliux> get
[11:36] <juliux> sorry
[11:37] <juliux> highvoltage, i want to play around a little bit with the drupal theme
[11:37] <highvoltage> of course, I'll tar it up for you
[11:38] <juliux> thank you very much
[11:58] <juliux> ogra, morning, any ideas about this http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/73721/ ?
[11:59] <ogra> juliux, nope, works fine here ... do you see it ?
[11:59] <juliux> ogra, not yet, edgy was every time faster then dapper here
[12:00] <juliux> ogra, could it be that the client has not enough ram and starts swapping via the network during the boot process?
[12:00] <ogra> could be
[12:00] <juliux> i will ask how much ram his client has
[12:00] <ogra> right
[12:01] <juliux> i tested the transtec thinclients yesterday, they are realy fast
[12:01] <juliux> and every thing is working out of the box
[12:02] <juliux> sound, localdevice support, the screen resolution
[12:13] <RichEd> hi rodarvus
[12:13] <RichEd> see /msg
[12:13] <jsgotangco> hey
[12:14] <rodarvus> hi RichEd, jsgotangco
[12:14] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: !
[12:14] <jsgotangco> how is my favourite brazilian
[01:37] <markvandenborre> hi RichEd
[01:37] <RichEd> hi markvandenborre
[01:37] <RichEd> (in a meeting but will pop back to check comments)
[01:38] <markvandenborre> ok
[01:41] <Swaps> hello matkvandenborre and RichEd
[01:43] <Arjuna> newbie here with torrent question
[01:43] <Arjuna> mutorrent keeps loosing the swarm
[01:44] <Arjuna> failure: requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker
[01:45] <kgoetz> perhaps try #Ubuntu, higher chance of an answer
[01:46] <Arjuna> alright, but it is edununtu I'm downloading
[01:46] <kgoetz> ah, so your not running [ed] ubuntu ?
[01:47] <Arjuna> no i'm in windows, i'm trying to get the latest torrent for edubuntu
[01:47] <kgoetz> not sure where to ask about that. *doesnt use windows*
[01:47] <Arjuna> wait... are you a bot?
[01:48] <kgoetz> not last i checked
[01:49] <RichEd> Arjuna: have you tried a decent google search ?
[01:49] <Swaps> RichEd: Would the workshop fit? It's on monday from 10 till 11 o'clock
[01:49] <RichEd> google [ torrrent download windows +site:ubuntu.com ]  try that
[01:49] <RichEd> hi swaps
[01:50] <RichEd> monday is my main meeting unfortunately
[01:50] <Swaps> :(
[01:50] <RichEd> but i can join you guys on sunday for a chat and we can go through slides / questions etc.
[01:50] <Swaps> ok that would be nice!
[01:51] <RichEd> Swaps: where is the venue ... I will be in Brussels ... near the sheraton i beleive
[01:51] <Arjuna> a google search because the tracker to get edubuntu isn't working?
[01:51] <Swaps> uhu, i can come to brussels
[01:51] <Swaps> no problem
[01:51] <Swaps> i don't know right were it is bu i can check
[01:52] <jenda> Why doesn't Edubuntu work as a LiveCD?
[01:52] <markvandenborre> RichEd, if you want to drop by at the fair somewhere during the week
[01:52] <Swaps> when do you arrive in brussels?
[01:52] <Swaps> yes indeed, your always welcome!
[01:52] <markvandenborre> it it a 30 minute commute from brussels by train
[01:52] <Arjuna> i'm downloading the dvd live cd. I hope it works
[01:53] <RichEd> I'm keeping wednesday free ... if I can fly late in the day, I'll be in to visit for sure
[01:53] <markvandenborre> (+ a 5 minute cab)
[01:53] <Arjuna> I'm at %50 after 2 days
[01:53] <Arjuna> so, I'm guessing this isn't a common problem
[01:53] <Arjuna> Nobody on here connected to the people running the tracker?
[01:57] <Swaps> RichEd: Can you send us the slides you used in LCA?
[01:58] <markvandenborre> RichEd,Swaps, /me leaving, busy & guess I'm not really needed here right now...
[01:58] <RichEd> thanks markvandenborre
[01:58] <markvandenborre> hope to cya on 05/03
[01:58] <RichEd> Swaps: I'll mail my slides
[01:58] <Swaps> szia
[01:58] <Swaps> RichEd ok thanks
[01:59] <Swaps> RichEd, what do you prefer to meet on sunday? or do you prefer to make the appointment later?
[02:00] <RichEd> Swaps: let me confirm my flight arrivals etc.
[02:00] <Swaps> RichEd, I will keep sunday free anyway... so no problem
[02:00] <jsgotangco> ohhh mr weideman is travelling again
[02:00] <RichEd> If I can make it in early, we can meet for lunch and a good belgian beer. I will confirm by the end of next week.
[02:01] <Swaps> Ok good
[02:01] <Swaps> if you want we can also meet on monday evening, or someday else
[02:01] <Swaps> just let it know
[02:02] <RichEd> monday is a dinner for my brussels meeting
[02:02] <RichEd> but tuesday may be free
[02:02] <RichEd> if you want the weekend to yourself, I understand
[02:02] <Swaps> no problem for me
[02:02] <Swaps> we have to prepare the booth anyway during the weekend
[02:03] <Swaps> would the workshop fit on thursday?
[02:03] <Swaps> maybe i can manage to exchange the 2 days
[02:04] <Swaps> but i'm not sure
[02:04] <ogra> RichEd, its to sad we're in italy on te fosdem weekend
[02:04] <ogra> *the
[02:05] <RichEd> yep ... I was thinking of trying to get to some sort of meeting on the way through ... just to introduce myself ...
[02:06] <ogra> i'd so love to hold a talk at fosdem ... its my favorite free software event
[02:07] <ogra> but you cant have everyting ...
[02:08] <RichEd> I have not checked out all the events ... there was something in Brussels as well ?
[02:09] <juliux> jenda, if you download the live image you can use edubuntu as a livesystem
[02:09] <jenda> ok
[02:09] <jenda> but the default CD don't do.
[02:09] <jenda> thx
[02:09] <markvandenborre> RichEd, fosdem == brussels
[02:09] <markvandenborre> oh dear, and I should have been gone already ...
[02:10] <ogra> RichEd, http://fosdem.org/2007/
[02:10] <juliux> jenda, what is the default cd for you? we have l a live and an install one with edgy and i think a desktop and a server one with feisty
[02:10] <jenda> juliux: I meant the shipped Edgies.
[02:11] <juliux> jenda, ahh
[02:11] <jenda> juliux: BTW, I'm not whining, I'm just asking ;)
[02:11] <juliux> jenda, i never tested one:(
[02:11] <ogra> RichEd, they even have a "free educational software" workshop this year
[02:11] <ogra> :/
[02:12] <jenda> juliux: neither did I ;)
[02:12] <ogra> jenda, the shipit CDs are the classroom server edition ... the server bits wouldnt fit on a liveCD
[02:12] <jenda> juliux: I was complained to, though.
[02:12] <jenda> ogra: ok
[02:13] <jenda> ogra: thanks
[02:13] <ogra> and we only had approval for one CD at shipit ...
[02:13] <jenda> mhm
[02:14] <ogra> since the classroom server is our declared default it was the non live one ...
[02:15] <jenda> yes, yes :) thankee - I relayed to the source.
[02:17] <Swaps> RichEd: It's not possible to exchange the days
[02:17] <Swaps> RichEd: I was thinking that, but you never know
[02:19] <Swaps> RichEd: If you have some questions, just ask or mail
[02:19] <RichEd> not from my side ... #1 meeting is monday #2 is tuesday ... big reportback on many projects to the Minerva Agency ... I am one small attendee
[02:27] <jsgotangco> hmmmm
[02:33] <Swaps> RichEd: Ok, np
[02:34] <Swaps> RichEd: Have to go and arrange some other stuff for the fair now, thank you
[03:09] <Swaps> RichEd: I'm a little bit sad that my uni doesn't use minerva :( (they use BB) I was member of the student council staff at the uni, tried to change the idea of my school, but it didn't worked. But the school was not so happy with the report we made, because they had to explain the decision :)
[03:13] <Swaps> RichEd: ok i'm maybe mixing thing up, i'm not sure what minerva angency is, but i was thinking it were the people that are making minerva, which is the digital learning platform from University from Ghent
[03:13] <RichEd> Swaps: I'm not sure what you mean here ? The Minerva I know is managing an EU Funded Project ... our Project Lead Organisation applied for funding through them, and we have to report back on progress & budget etc.
[03:13] <Swaps> RichEd: It's a version of Doceos
[03:13] <Swaps> dokeos
[03:13] <Swaps> ok
[03:14] <Swaps> so i mixed thing up :D
[03:14] <RichEd> I haven't heard of dokeos ?
[03:14] <Swaps> claroline?
[03:15] <RichEd> nope :( give me a link and I will look it up later when I have some free time
[03:15] <Swaps> http://www.dokeos.com/
[03:16] <Swaps> it's a belgian started opensource project, a digital learning platform
[03:16] <Swaps> like blackboard, but better because it's opensource
[03:17] <RichEd> great ... I'll check it out ... thanks
[03:17] <Swaps> it's used by a lot of university's
[03:18] <Swaps> np
[03:18] <Swaps> i have to go now
[03:19] <RichEd> okay ... bye for today
[03:48] <bddebian> Heya
[04:24] <wizzy> ldap auth experts here ?
[04:24] <ogra> wizzy, define experts ?  :)
[04:25] <wizzy> Does login require read access to the password ? I just want it to bind, but my 256 slapd log shows SEARCH only, no BIND
[04:26] <wizzy> It looks for &posixAccount, then shadowAccount - I have no shadow in my LDAP dir
[04:27] <wizzy> ogra: Do you use LDAP login ?
[04:28] <ogra> wizzy, i tried to develop if for feistym but pam isnt smart enough for the automation i planned, so it will wait until feisty+1
[04:29] <ogra> yes, you need read access afaik
[04:30] <wizzy> Ugh - why can't it use bind ??
[04:31] <wizzy> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=2103&highlight=&sid=bada780ad3065087b695e6eb0c042da4 shows bind
[08:44] <willvdl> ogra, hey. is there a specific "testing" page you guys want to use? or do you jsut use the Ubuntu Testing Team page?
[08:45] <ogra> willvdl, heno has set up all the testing stuff for herd tests
[08:45] <willvdl> excellent.
[08:45] <ogra> i'll announce it to edubuntu-users before the next herd releases (i.e. if we *need* testing)
[08:45] <willvdl> putting together the links to edubuntu devel/testing/xxx on one page
[08:45] <ogra> should be around wed ... herd4 is planned for thursday i think
[08:46] <ogra> please contact heno for that, we dont use the wiki anymore
[08:47] <willvdl> cool. I'll jsut wait for the announcement :)
[08:48] <willvdl> I'll make a landing page so long for folks looking to help in edubuntu devel.
[08:48] <willvdl> will basically jsut point to LP, ubuntu wiki etc.
[08:49] <ogra> we have a forum for testing as well afaik
[08:50] <willvdl> thanks. I'll look for that
[08:51] <willvdl> I've done the same thing for docs. The doc team pages aren't enough so I have pages that logically (I hope) link to LP, help.u.c, handbook, wikis, how to participate, etc
[08:52] <willvdl> mock-up: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu?action=show
[08:55] <ogra> nice !
[08:55] <ogra> looks cool
[08:56] <willvdl> my brain hurts trying to figure out all the inter-links :)


[19:36] <rud0lf> is it true that some early 64-bit processors act poorly with 64-bit systems?
[19:36] <reisio> it's true, I'm sure, that many early examples of almost anything are not really great examples of that thing
[19:37] <reisio> ...being so early
[19:37] <Seveas> they're good at finding the bugs :)
[19:37] <rud0lf> :)
[19:37] <reisio> Seveas: heh
[19:37] <rud0lf> i use tamed spider to find bugs
[19:37] <reisio> and then there are cases where the earliest examples actually were the best, and we've steadily made things worse and worse
[19:37] <reisio> ...but in general :p
[19:37] <gde33|2> like the telegraph for text messages !
[19:38] <reisio> our first versions of society, for example, were better than what we're mostly using now :p
[19:38] <Seveas> as long as socienty is made by people, it'll suck
[19:38] <gde33|2> we are working on that
[19:38] <reisio> no, some people don't have sucking muscles
[19:54] <nickz> anyone here?
[19:54] <stupidquestionma> Hello, if I selected encrypt OS when installing ubuntu but didn't then later check the "encrypt home directory" box is my data still encrypted?
[19:54] <stupidquestionma> yes :P
[19:54] <nickz> good
[19:57] <k1l_> stupidquestionma: on using full-disk-encryption the home is encrypted too
[19:58] <stupidquestionma> Cool. Thank you!
[19:58] <nickz> guys, do you think using linux is free of viruses?
[19:58] <arunpyasi> HI guys, when is 16.04 Beta Releasing ?
[19:58] <reisio> nickz: virtually, yup
[19:58] <nickz> arunpyasi: soon, be patient
[19:58] <gallo_mobile> hi... so I'm a *nix noob and don't get how to "make" a sourceforge app...
[19:58] <nickz> reisio: what do you mean?
[19:58] <genii> arunpyasi: Approximately 5pm GMT on Thursday April 21
[19:58] <reisio> nickz: but nobody's really seen an actual _virus_ (that copies itself) to speak of on any OS in ages
[19:59] <gallo_mobile> downloaded tar.bz and tried to extract per instrucions but i dont have permission ...
[19:59] <gallo_mobile> on 14.04
[19:59] <arunpyasi> lol, genii I mean the Beta lol
[19:59] <arunpyasi> nickz: soon, means when ? after how many hours ?
[19:59] <Seveas> gallo_mobile: what are you trying to build? There's rarely anything useful on sourcefraud these days
[20:00] <nickz> reisio: i was watching some youtube channel linux mythbuster, and he seemed to let me see that there was such something that interrupted program to run, once he deleted it, he could make it work
[20:00] <k1l_> gallo_mobile: read the readme?
[20:00] <gallo_mobile> qmaketorrent
[20:00] <reisio> nickz: sounds scientific indeed :p
[20:00] <nickz> arunpyasi: not sure
[20:00] <gallo_mobile> or any batch torrent creator anyone could recommend
[20:00] <k1l_> gallo_mobile: and be aware that when you compile stuff and circumvent the package system that might have sideeffects
[20:01] <reisio> nickz: there have been and are viruses for GNU/Linux; most of them have taken the form of proofs-of-concept, usually exploiting things already patched
[20:01] <Seveas> gallo_mobile: there's a 'mktorrent' in the ubuntu repos
[20:02] <gallo_mobile> yeah, i dont want to "sudo" cuz it took me a day and a half to figure out what i did wrog to be able to have deluge write and have permission to download
[20:02] <nickz> reisio: it is, but do you know why it is not having many viruses? is it from the security itself or cause there are less users than windows which makes some cracker dont really feel interested in making something here? not beneficial enough maybe?
[20:02] <gallo_mobile> can it batch create torrents? like all the files in a folder into single torrents?
[20:02] <Seveas> no idea. I don't torrent :)
[20:03] <Seveas> apt-cache show mktorrent seems to indicate it can
[20:03] <reisio> nickz: it's a lot of reasons
[20:03] <gallo_mobile> Seveas: kil_ thanks!!
[20:03] <gallo_mobile> found it!
[20:03] <nickz> reisio: yeah it has to
[20:04] <racun> @nickz: if you're talking about desktop, yes, less users... but if you're talking about mobile and servers, then this is not true. Anyway, not sure if here is the proper place to discuss about viruses and market share.
[20:04] <reisio> nickz: the open source nature, that people using GNU/Linux are necessarily generally enthusiastic about it, that the programmers are enthusiasts, that it has less market share, that it has more educated (less easily tricked/exploited) users, etc.
[20:05] <nickz> reisio: i agree to tha
[20:05] <nickz> that*
[20:05] <vdevnull> Hey people, Wondering why always when i download .deb file and install them
[20:05] <vdevnull> they never open ?!
[20:05] <vdevnull> only from terminal if i type the name
[20:05] <nickz> reisio: it can be seen from where you are chatting and to what kind of community chat
[20:05] <k1l_> vdevnull: what do you mean?
[20:05] <reisio> vdevnull: you might need gdebi installed
[20:05] <reisio> and associated
[20:06] <pbx> vdevnull, by "they never open" you mean you have trouble launching the installed apps?
[20:06] <reisio> but downloading .deb files manually, individually isn't the best way, really
[20:06] <k1l_> as standard it should open the softwarecenter
[20:06] <reisio> nickz: mmm?
[20:06] <nickz> reisio: what thing about linux is chatting helper itself, IRC, and people who ready to help, really nice to be here
[20:06] <nickz> one thing*
[20:06] <vdevnull> k1l_, For example, i've downloaded Atom text editor. as "deb", in Ubuntu Software Center. it said it install but if i open this "Ubuntu Icon" and click on the "Atom" it never open. aswell, i've tried other stuff
[20:06] <vdevnull> but if i type "atom" via Terminal it opens
[20:07] <reisio> nickz: I know there have been instances of Windows exploits to do with problems in Windows that Microsoft long ignored, and someone got upset enough to prove a point over
[20:07] <k1l_> vdevnull: so the starter is corrupted?
[20:08] <vdevnull> via icon. doesn't work. via terminal works. so seems so
[20:08] <nickz> reisio: like what?
[20:09] <ferleite> Hi, how can I check if my ftp server is up and running?
[20:09] <reisio> nickz: a number, I don't keep track
[20:09] <k1l_> ferleite: i hope its an sftp server, because the ftp protocol is insecure
[20:09] <llutz> ferleite: sudo lsof -i :21
[20:09] <karen_> Did someone see my question above about oracle java before the "ChanServ" message came up?
[20:09] <nickz> reisio: okay
[20:09] <ferleite> thats the reason I want to know, if ftp protocol is running I want to deactivated it
[20:10] <k1l_> vdevnull: check if the desktop starter is pointing  to the right files
[20:10] <nickz> karen_: what is it ?
[20:10] <vdevnull> k1l_, Can u show me reference how to do the steps. I'm newbie
[20:10] <qu4nt1n> !s avengers
[20:11] <ferleite> llutz, with the command you said just show one line with vsftd
[20:11] <nickz> does ssh can support windows remote? linux to windows? should windows installing linux terminal?
[20:12] <k1l_> ferleite: either see if a process is running (ps ax) or see if the port is listened (netstat -tuplen)
[20:12] <llutz> ferleite: so there is vsftpd, a ftp-server, running
[20:12] <karen_> Well, I got Oracle Java 8 to run minecraft on, and I unchecked the OpenJDK7 boxes in synaptics. Everything runs great until I run an update on my system. Somehow, another java comes through in the updates and kicks the oracle java from working in minecraft. HOw can I just use oracle? I clicked the box for oracle java 8 jdk as the default also in synaptics.  Some java comes through in the updates.
[20:14] <nickz> karen_: the one that removed
[20:15] <k1l_> vdevnull: see this http://askubuntu.com/questions/13758/how-can-i-edit-create-new-launcher-items-in-unity-by-hand
[20:15] <llutz> ferleite: if you don't want ftp at all, sudo apt-get purge vsftpd
[20:15] <Ben64> karen_: how did you install oracle java
[20:16] <ferleite> that worked, thank you llutz
[20:16] <karen_> through ppa in my linux lite forum I went to.
[20:16] <Ben64> you use linux lite?
[20:16] <karen_> ya  I know! Still the commands work for me as for you! It is based on Ubuntu
[20:17] <k1l_> karen_: no, better ask there support
[20:17] <Ben64> but it isn't ubuntu, so it's not supported here. they have support forums here https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/
[20:17] <karen_> ok just no LIVE support, that's all. Thanks anyway.
[20:27] <nicomachus> I tried to open my sources.list, and got a message saying it was being edited by PID 26314. There is no PID 26314 showing in htop...
[20:29] <slaffe> Hi guys
[20:29] <slaffe> How do I increase my system file descriptor limit ?
[20:29] <slaffe> Running Ubuntu Server 14.04
[20:30] <slaffe> getting warnings when running tor-server
[20:30] <slaffe> ...Tor's file descriptor usage is at 99%. If you run out Tor will be unable to continue functioning.
[20:33] <Bunnyman> hello, I'm looking for some help with Pure-FTPD on Ubuntu. Using a cert from Let's Encrypt (it has worked just fine before), I can't connect securely any more. Nothing between my FTP client's log and server's syslog makes any sense - I set it to accept plaintext connections, and attempting a TLS connection just times out, with syslog saying FTP doesn't accept plaintext connections.
[20:34] <Bunnyman> plaintext connections work just fine, which makes that statement doubly wrong.
[20:36] <gallo_mobile> ehh .. mktorrent makes thefolder contents into one torrent... anyone know how to batch create torrents?
[20:36] <cruisibesares> hey I'm running an upstart job that says start on started networking but its not able to resolve the hostname of the service I'm trying to get. I tried waiting on resolvconf and net-device-up IFACE!=lo but nothing is working. is there something I'm missing?
[20:36] <cruisibesares> i found this
[20:36] <cruisibesares> http://askubuntu.com/questions/626719/upstart-script-to-start-after-dns-is-ready
[20:36] <cruisibesares> similar question
[20:38] <gallo_mobile> as in /path/to/folder/fileA /path/to/folder/fileB ... fileG so i end up with fileA.torrent, fileB.torrent etc
[20:40] <Ben64> gallo_mobile: for i in /path/to/folder/file*; do mktorrent $i; done
[20:41] <max3> i have 0 * * * * /home/me/script.sh 2>&1 /tmp/testlog.log in my crontab and i get nothing in tmp
[20:42] <max3> yes script.sh is executable
[20:42] <max3> and i used crontab -e
[20:42] <reisio> /home/me/script.sh > /tmp/testlog.log 2>&1
[20:42] <reisio> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redirection_%28computing%29
[20:44] <mcphail> max3: you haven't directed stdout to your log file. You've only directed stderr to stdout (which is still directed to the terminal)
[20:44] <max3> reisio, still nothing
[20:45] <dusf___> is there a way to list held packages with apt-get?
[20:45] <max3> oh i'm dumb
[20:45] <max3> no bang
[20:45] <max3> in the script
[20:46] <nicomachus> dusf___: apt list --installed
[20:46] <nicomachus> dusf___: there are lots of options, check 'man apt'
[20:47] <dusf___> nicomachus: i am asking specifically about packages which are on hold
[20:47] <dusf___> not just installed packages, i can do that fine with dpkg -l
[20:47] <max3> reisio, mcphail i still get nothing
[20:48] <reisio> max3: you might want to put it all into the script
[20:48] <reisio> rather than putting the weight of parsing onto cron
[20:48] <max3> the script is #!/bin/bash; hg pull -u ; echo "helllllllllllo"
[20:49] <reisio> hg pull -u probably relies on your specific user, in a specific location
[20:49] <ioria> dusf___, try dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[20:49] <max3> reisio, quite possibly but why don't i get a log in /tmp/
[20:49] <reisio> probably because it isn't running at all, or producing any output
[20:52] <max3> reisio, with the redirect in the script i still get nothing
[20:52] <geirha> max3: you know the leading 0 in that crontab line means it will only run once an hour, right? so next run is in 8 minutes
[20:52] <max3> ...whoops
[20:52] <max3> if it's a leading * does that make it run every minute?
[20:52] <geirha> yes
[20:52] <max3> whelp
[20:53] <sambagirl> how can you tell a video files pixelation with and height?
[20:53] <sambagirl> it doenst show up under properties
[20:53] <sambagirl> with nautilus does it work?
[20:53] <geirha> though you may have to wait up to two minutes for the first run to occur
[20:54] <reisio> sambagirl: I'd probably use ffmpeg -i video 2>&1 | egrep -i 'video:'
[20:54] <reisio> since I use ffmpeg in the end, anyway, I like knowing what ffmpeg thinks
[20:54] <reisio> you could also use ffprobe, midentify, ttprobe
[20:57] <slaffe> How do I increase my system file descriptor limit ?
[20:57] <slaffe> Running Ubuntu Server 14.04
[20:57] <ratrace> Hello. Since few days ago *every* reboot of 15.10 results with fsck of the LUKS swap partition which takes a minute and a half, otherwise the partition is mounted regularly afterwards. Is this a bug or a feature and if the latter, how can I disable it?
[20:57] <Bunnyman> is this the right place to ask about pure-ftpd, and if not - where is one
[20:58] <Bunnyman> (I have two Ubuntu instances with the exact same issue)
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> Bunnyman  ask, don't ask to ask
[21:00] <sambagirl> ok reisio
[21:00] <Bunnyman> aight then
[21:00] <sambagirl> sheesh
[21:00] <Bunnyman> pure-ftpd seemingly can't into TLS on either of my servers
[21:00] <Bunnyman> I can't connect via TLS
[21:01] <Bunnyman> one box is wide open, another has passive ports set
[21:01] <Bunnyman> whenever I try to connect to either of these, neither the client nor syslog are of any help
[21:01] <Bunnyman> clients just sit there silently until they time out, and right then syslog will say the server won't accept a cleartext connection
[21:02] <Bunnyman> I see clients initiate a connection with TLS
[21:02] <Bunnyman> so they do get through
[21:02] <Bunnyman> it's just the daemon fcuking things up in the process
[21:03] <sambagirl> reisio i installed mediainfo it's command line and this is the generic output http://pastebin.ca/3410425
[21:03] <Bunnyman> Certs aren't expired, TLS is set to allow cleartext connections anyway
[21:03] <atanask> Hello guys, when I try to shutdown I always get - mount / is busy will now halt as the last message and it stays on it until I force shutdown. Is it safe to force shutdown at that point, and can you help how to fix it?
[21:03] <Bunnyman> both are in /etc/ssl/private/pure-ftpd.pem as per every single guide to setting up TLS on the internet
[21:03] <atanask> I tried ways of fixing I found with google results, nothing I found worked so far...
[21:04] <Bunnyman> I've restarted the daemon countless times, and connecting without TLS works
[21:04] <reisio> sambagirl: yup, I've used that one, too
[21:04] <truthadjustr> need some help. How do I fix when I do 'apt-get update', I get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://ph.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/main/source/Sources  Hash Sum mismatch
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> Bunnyman  keep your question in one line, that's easier to read and repeat
[21:04] <sambagirl> reisio why not all the time?
[21:05] <Bunnyman> aight, I'll use my previous one :x
[21:05] <max3> thanks geirha
[21:05] <reisio> sambagirl: like I said, I usually use ffmpeg to alter the media in the end, so I want ffmpeg's opinion of what it's looking at
[21:06] <max3> and reisio
[21:08] <sambagirl> ahh i see reisio
[21:08] <atanask> anyone know how to at least find the issue, or if it is safe to force shutdown at that point I can just force shutdown every time
[21:08] <reisio> atanask: maybe some acpi/bios config issue
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> atanask  backup first, then it's (more) safe
[21:10] <reisio> ...
[21:10] <atanask> i tried a lot of things from online results but all things that worked for other guys never worked for me... xD
[21:13] <atanask> most of the solutions said to try one of this: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash reboot=bios"
[21:13] <atanask> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash apm=power_off"
[21:13] <atanask> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash reboot=pci"
[21:13] <atanask> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=force"
[21:13] <atanask> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off"
[21:14] <tsimonq2> let's say I have a laptop that I need to install Ubuntu Minimal on for some reason. it installs correctly, but when I rebot, I have no network connection, and eth0 fails to go up
[21:14] <tsimonq2> *reboot
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> atanask  next time, use this for multiple lines http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[21:17] <atanask> MonkeyDust I read it from Drone... I'm noob, and I'm sorry.
[21:19] <atanask> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15490421/ - I wanted to say that I tried all of them but nothing worked.
[21:29] <truthadjustr> where/how can I find/update checksums (15.10), since doing 'apt-get update' gives me 'Hash Sum mismatch'
[21:33] <k1l_> truthadjustr: "sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*
[21:33] <k1l_> " then run "sudo apt update"
[21:34] <truthadjustr> already did that ..not workin
[21:36] <truthadjustr> i have the following mismahches http://sprunge.us/KbUU
[21:36] <Bunnyman> hello, I'm looking for some help with Pure-FTPD on Ubuntu. Using a cert from Let's Encrypt (it has worked just fine before), I can't connect securely any more. Nothing between my FTP client's log and server's syslog makes any sense - I set it to accept plaintext connections, and attempting a TLS connection just times out, with syslog saying FTP doesn't accept plaintext connections. What makes
[21:36] <Bunnyman> this sentence doubly wrong is that plaintext connections are accepted.
[21:37] <truthadjustr> the browser opens at this level http://ph.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/
[21:37] <k1l_> truthadjustr: then switch the servers
[21:37] <ouroumov> Bunnyman, the cert is still valid?
[21:37] <Bunnyman> yes
[21:38] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to remove a module from initramfs, like blacklist?
[21:43] <Linus_> Hey all
[21:44] <Linus_> I'm a 27 year old white male
[21:44] <Linus_> Sorry i didn't mean to post that
[21:44] <irgendwer4711> lol
[21:44] <truthadjustr> k1l_: tanx
[21:44] <Linus_> -_-;
[21:45] <irgendwer4711> I am a blue 3 years old squid
[21:45] <Linus_> Actually im having a problem running things from my init.d
[21:45] <Linus_> For example
[21:45] <Linus_> I run /etc/init.d/nginx start, and it doesnt give me an error or anything, but also nothing happens
[21:45] <Glass_> I need some assistance
[21:45] <k1l_> Linus_: what ubuntu exactly?
[21:46] <irgendwer4711> I have a problem with an inird too
[21:46] <Glass_> I need some assistance
[21:47] <nicomachus> Glass_: can't help you until you say what the problem is
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Linus_  what's the output of  cat /etc/issue
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Glass_  yes, this is the support channel
[21:47] <k1l_> irgendwer4711: you mean something totally different. but why dont you just blacklist the modules?
[21:47] <irgendwer4711> k1l_: I tried that. this didnt work.
[21:48] <k1l_> irgendwer4711: -v
[21:48] <irgendwer4711> k1l_: I blacklisted it
[21:48] <Linus_> Im on Amazon's ec2 instance
[21:48] <Glass_> Thank you for acknowledgment. Well I just installed Ubuntu Studio 14.04 from the Latest Kali Linux. My wireless doesn't show up.  Still no luck.
[21:51] <irgendwer4711> k1l_: I want to you the nvidia driver
[21:51] <msg> wut.
[21:51] <nicomachus> Glass_: I'm sorry, that command should have been 'apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source'
[21:51] <k1l_> !bcm43 | Glass_
[21:51] <k1l_> irgendwer4711: that is wrong.
[21:52] <irgendwer4711> k1l_: what is wrong.
[21:52] <Glass_> I've tried installing BC male keen all source already.
[21:52] <k1l_> irgendwer4711: install the nvidia driver from the ubuntu repo. that will handle all that
[21:52] <irgendwer4711> k1l_: it didnt
[21:52] <k1l_> !bcm43xx | Glass_
[21:52] <Glass_> Bcmwl-kernal-source***
[21:53] <k1l_> irgendwer4711: so which ubuntu is it exactly? what video card?
[21:53] <irgendwer4711> xubuntu 16.04 with geforce 940m
[21:53] <Glass_> I've followed that ubottu
[21:53] <Glass_> No luck
[21:53] <k1l_> irgendwer4711: #ubuntu+1 then
[21:55] <irgendwer4711> k1l_: ok
[21:55] <Glass_> Is there anything else I can try?
[21:56] <nicomachus> Glass_: can you paste the output of 'sudo lshw -C network' to a pastebin and link it here?
[21:57] <Glass_> Can do
[21:57] <Glass_> One sec
[21:59] <ybw> Latest ubuntu. I put in /etc/modules snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss, but after reboot, in syslog I see it's not be loaded because it in blacklist. I checked blacklists and didnt found it. How solve it?
[22:02] <MonkeyDust> ybw  'latest', is that 15.10 or 16.04 to you?
[22:02] <ybw> 15.10
[22:03] <ybw> MonkeyDust, I also try to grep all /etc to find this blacklisted modules
[22:03] <Glass_> Heres the link nico http://pastebin.com/J9fZmzSN
[22:08] <ybw> MonkeyDust also, I can add this modules manually (modprobe snd_pcm_oss ), but I want to do it automaticly when system is loading
[22:10] <ybw> any ideas, how to debug 'systemd-modules-load' ?
[22:10] <ratrace> Hello. Since few days ago *every* reboot of 15.10 results with fsck of the LUKS swap partition which takes a minute and a half, otherwise the partition is mounted regularly afterwards. Is this a bug or a feature and if the latter, how can I disable it?
[22:13] <MonkeyDust> ratrace  is this useful http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-bypassing-fsck/
[22:15] <Glass_> Nicomachus?
[22:15] <ratrace> MonkeyDust: that's a rather very old article, does that stuff still apply to shitstemd?
[22:15] <ratrace> otherwise in fstab I already have 0 0
[22:18] <ratrace> MonkeyDust: which is beside the point though. This started happening recently, and I'm suspecting a bug.
[22:20] <TJ-> ratrace: does "journalctl | grep fsck" for the current session reveal anything about how it chooses the crypto_LUKS partition?
[22:20] <Glass_> ==nicomachus
[22:22] <ratrace> TJ-: nope.
[22:25] <TJ-> ratrace: it should show it being chosen, and the fsck job being executed. That will show if it is using the metdata UUID or something else to choose it
[22:28] <TJ-> ratrace: if so services or jobs can be checked with journalctl for their individual messages
[22:31] <Glass_> So I still need help with my bcm4311 not being read.
[22:34] <ratrace> TJ-: This doesn't look right: "Created slice system-systemd\x2dfsck.slice"  it's from the journal, I'm going line by line since grepping didn't return anything meaningful
[22:36] <Glass_> Anyone?
[22:37] <ratrace> TJ-: actually, found this: https://dpaste.de/WLcG
[22:37] <Bashing-om> !bcm | Glass_ HAve you seen:
[22:38] <TJ-> ratrace: is the LUKS container inside the zpool?
[22:38] <ratrace> TJ-: nope, I use ZFS on an external drive, unrelated
[22:39] <Glass_> Ubottu. I've already tried that
[22:39] <TJ-> ratrace: OK, is it a raw partition?
[22:39] <bodom1> Hi there! I have just changed my hardware. I was using a nvidia card before, I am trying to use integrated Intel now. If I delete xorg.conf, I can start the X server, but when I reboot I get a nvidia-based xorg.conf. any help appreciated
[22:39] <ratrace> TJ-: yea, a GPT partition encrypted with LUKS, just like the 15.10 installer created it. I have both root and swap on LUKS.
[22:40] <TJ-> ratrace: right, so not reliant on LVM to be available. It's that 'dependency' that's the clue
[22:40] <ratrace> And as of few days ago, every reboot (as I switch between Win and Ubuntu daily) results with fscking of the swap partition. Clean shutdown, prior to that, though.
[22:41] <TJ-> ratrace: what does "blkid /dev/<swap-device>" report - a valid TYPE, UUID, etc., swap metadata ?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> bodom1: Confirm that now you only have the integrated Intel graphic's chip for disply purposes ?
[22:41] <TJ-> ratrace: because it sounds like somehow there's file-system metadata on the swap container that is triggering the fsck
[22:42] <ratrace> TJ-: oh look, I have no swap this time.... SPLENDID!
[22:42] <ratrace> TJ-: so, it's a bug then. Something introduced with the recent kernel updates, as I changed nothing else on the system.
[22:42] <bodom1> Bashing-om: yep, nvidia is on my desk
[22:44] <TJ-> ratrace: does sda2 contain a valid crypto_LUKS header according to blkid ?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> bodom1: Then : ' sudo apt remove nvidia-* ; sudo rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf '.
[22:45] <TJ-> ratrace: check which block device this message applies to - sda2 or sda2_crypt (LUKS or swap): "Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-c6a2bfa9\x2dc29f\x2d46a5\x2d9d58\x2dcb5aaafafd9c.device" - look at the UUID
[22:46] <ratrace> TJ-: no, it turns out, it's not a valid luks device, so something broke it
[22:46] <bodom1> Bashing-om: I did it. I have no more nvidia-* packages installed but when lightdm tries to start, it recreates xorg.conf
[22:48] <Glass_> Help?
[22:48] <TJ-> ratrace: is it reported by blkid as some other type, or no recognition whatever? It looks like something else wrote over the LUKS header. worth using "sudo dd if=/dev/sda2 count=64 | hexdump -C | less" to view the bytes, see if anything gives a clue
[22:48] <Bashing-om> Glass_: Perhaps some day I will know ..but this is now above my experience level .
[22:49] <bob> fjdsakl
[22:49] <Glass_> Bashing-om have you checked my pastebin link?
[22:50] <Bashing-om> Glass_: No, I missed it . Lemme go back and find it .
[22:50] <TJ-> ratrace: as it is only a container for swap it's easy to recreate it though. grab the existing UUID for sda5_crypt (if referred to in /etc/crypttab_ and do "sudo cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sda2 --uuid=<UUID-according-to-crypttab>"
[22:50] <ratrace> TJ-: I just recreated the luks partition, updated the UUID in crypttab. we'll see what happens on next reboot, but SOMETHING has broken it. It was working fine and I did nothing to it except run periodic updates....
[22:50] <Guest62207> A/S/L looking for hot guys to eat my vagina
[22:50] <Glass_> Ok
[22:50] <TJ-> oops, UUID for *** sda2_crypt *** !!!!
[22:50] <ratrace> TJ-: ?
[22:50] <Glass_> Here it is in case you can't find it. http://pastebin.com/J9fZmzSN
[22:51] <ratrace> TJ-: oh, no I did it the other way around, did luksFormat and updated crypttab with the new UUID.
[22:51] <TJ-> ratrace: try bringing it up yourself. "sudo systemctl start dev-disk-by\x2duuid-c6a2bfa9\x2dc29f\x2d46a5\x2d9d58\x2dcb5aaafafd9c.device"
[22:51] <TJ-> ratrace: OK, no matter; I was trying to save you altering crypttab
[22:52] <TJ-> ratrace: obviously, now you've altered the UUID, you'll need to alter the command I just gave :D
[22:52] <ratrace> TJ-: yeah, but I have to finish working on something first, then I'll try reboot. Can't risk broken, unworking system atm :)
[22:53] <ratrace> TJ-: thanks for your assistance!
[22:53] <TJ-> ratrace: don't worry about those \x2d - that's the code for a "-" hyphen :)
[22:54] <Bashing-om> Glass_: Sorry, all I can see is that a driver is loaded . I do not know how to configure wireless .
[22:55] <Glass_> Bashing-om, Thanks anyway
[22:57] <TJ-> Glass_: what is the actual problem? unable to connect access point?
[22:59] <Glass_> Can anybody else help me?
[23:04] <Glass_> My problem is that, in my settings it doesn't recognize my wlan card. I use iwconfig and ifconfig and wlan0 doesn't pop up TJ
[23:05] <TJ-> Glass_: have you reviewed the output of 'dmesg' to see if the broadcom driver is reporting errors
[23:05] <Glass_> Let me check
[23:08] <Optiprism> general question that I can't find the answer to: If I compile a c++ program on my ubuntu machine and transfer it to another, will it work?
[23:09] <jat-clone> if you are lucky
[23:11] <Optiprism> So it's not like windows then? Where I can just say set up a website and give people my exe to run?
[23:12] <TJ-> Optiprism: if it is staticially linked it'll be fine; if you rely on external shared libraries, those systems will need those shared libraries at the same SO version
[23:12] <Glass_> TJ
[23:14] <Glass_> I did dmesg found a line it said "disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force'"
[23:16] <TJ-> Glass_: that's pretty much expected. lshw shows the wl driver is loaded, therefore we'd expect to see kernel messages when it loads about how it configures the device
[23:16] <TJ-> Glass_: "pastebinit <( dmesg )"
[23:17] <Glass_> Pastebin the whole dmesg, or just that bcm4311 part?
[23:17] <TJ-> Glass_: the entire output
[23:18] <Glass_> Yes sir.
[23:25] <Glass_> TJ, Here is the link. http://pastebin.com/PkE2hBVp
[23:26] <TJ-> Glass_: well, it stands out a mile! Kernel Bug in the wl driver; starting at line 647
[23:27] <Glass_> I know. Lol
[23:27] <Glass_> Let me check
[23:27] <TJ-> Glass_: the driver is broken
[23:28] <Glass_> I see.
[23:28] <Glass_> Any way to fix?
[23:28] <TJ-> Glass_: no idea - the wl driver is proprietary, that's Broadcom's I think
[23:29] <Glass_> OK. Thanks. I'll do some research
[23:31] <TJ-> Glass_: you might check if the b43 driver supports that device; see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[23:37] <skypce> hello guys
[23:38] <skypce> i have this:30:     926511          0   PCI-MSI 442368-edge      snd_hda_intel
[23:38] <skypce> three things in same irq 30
[23:38] <skypce> how can i leave my soundcard with a free irq
[23:38] <skypce> ?
[23:51] <zave> if i wanted to do this `sudo apt-get remove openjdk*` without it breaking in the case of it not being installed in the first place, do i need a specific option?
[23:53] <MonkeyDust> zave  that's not clear, how can it be removed if it's not installed
[23:54] <jat-clone> zave: -s
[23:54] <zave> jat-clone: thank you
[23:58] <zave> MonkeyDust: i want to use it in a script. so if it's not installed it doesn't break.
[23:58] <nacc> zave: so i think you're asking if the command will fail?
[23:58] <nacc> zave: that will only require you check the return code
[23:59] <nacc> zave: also you should carefully quote regexs like that


[15:41] <psyke83> kwwii, hi, do you have the gtkrc for Human-Clearlooks handy?
[15:46] <kwwii> hey psyke83 thanks for responding so quickly :-)
[15:46] <kwwii> I took the last version I found on the forum
[15:46] <psyke83> np ;)
[15:47] <psyke83> ah you mean the modified version?
[15:47] <kwwii> maybe you already have something better which I missed
[15:47] <kwwii> yepp
[15:47] <kwwii> let me find the link
[15:47] <psyke83> alright then, I'll get it updated
[15:47] <psyke83> nah it's fine, I can find it
[15:47] <kwwii> cool, thanks :-)
[16:22] <psyke83> kwwii, sent, let me know if there's any problems
[16:23] <psyke83> kwwii, ah, I forgot to enable animations, you may want to manually edit that yourself
[21:23] <psyke83> kwwii, hey, I may have a little update for the themes, so if you planned to push anything tonight, hold off for a little, k?
[21:29] <_MMA_> psyke83: I think he had to head away for a bit. Might not be back tonight.
[21:29] <psyke83> _MMA_, grand, thanks
[21:29] <_MMA_> np
[21:29] <psyke83> do you still want help changing something in the theme, btw?
[21:37] <_MMA_> psyke83: Well just tinkering with the light theme. But Hardy is done for now.


[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:29] <RikMills> Hi BluesKaj
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi RikMills
[13:30]  * RikMills hands BluesKaj a dedicated service award ;)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> RikMills, what's new today?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> hehe
[13:30] <RikMills> BluesKaj: trying to work out what to do with plasma 5.25 for jammy
[13:32] <BluesKaj> well, there haven't been many reportable bugs to send to launchpad, so i think you guys are doing a great job
[13:32]  * BluesKaj nods
[13:33] <RikMills> well, the kubuntu focus team have some issue with it, so it could be best to make a new opt-in ppa for it
[13:33] <RikMills> I really can't come up with a good name for the PPA
[13:34] <RikMills> backports-edge sounds too unstable
[13:34] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:34] <RikMills> backports-plasma is too specific
[13:34] <RikMills> backports-extra is one possibility
[13:34] <BluesKaj> what's the issue?
[13:34]  * RikMills is not sure
[13:36] <RikMills> BluesKaj: they have some issues with plasma crashing on theme change, an their default widget and icons moving about on relogin, messing up their very carefully created default setup for customers
[13:37] <BluesKaj> something default widget ppa ?   :-)
[13:38] <RikMills> hah
[13:50] <BluesKaj> here's another bug one of my chat friends found, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1974196
[13:52] <RikMills> hmmmmmmmmm
[13:54] <BluesKaj> doesn't seem to affect Kinetic, at least not IME
[17:28] <blaze> I don't understand, did someone remove pipewire-jack? Why?
[17:32] <RikMills> blaze: in what release did that package last exist? I don't see it
[17:33] <blaze> Well, it got removed everywhere
[17:35] <RikMills> blaze: a virual package then?
[17:35] <RikMills> *virtual?
[17:35] <blaze> Check the debian repos
[17:35] <RikMills> package.ubuntu.com says it did not exist as a real one in supported releases that it tracks
[17:38] <blaze> The part I don't understand is how I've been using it if it never was there :D
[17:40] <RikMills> blaze: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/kinetic/amd64/pipewire-jack/0.3.54-2
[17:40] <RikMills> odd it did not show up on p.u.c
[17:42] <blaze> I'm firing up qpwgraph, like I usually do, aaand... it doesn't work. Big surpise :D


[00:40] <zequence> len_1304: I don't think I have the time or energy to set up anything for UDS. Seems like there are so few of us, and I was more considering it a PR possibility more than actually getting work done
[00:41] <zequence> Good thing is there'll be another one in just 3 months, so I'll focus on that one instead
[00:41] <zequence> Tuesday is first day
[00:41] <zequence> len_1304: Have a look at the sessions, and see if there is something that interests you http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/
[00:41] <zequence> If nothing else, Xubuntu sessions, or community sessions
[00:43] <zequence> Besides, they still haven't corrected the bug which makes it seem like I'm already logged in, when I'm not.
[00:43] <zequence> And, thinking of that. I still haven't got my music I bought through Ubuntu One some months ago
[03:20] <Len-nb> zequence, may I assume the toolkit of choice is QT for ubuntu development?
[03:21] <Len-nb> (just looking at the schedules you pointed at :)
[03:22] <zequence> Len-nb: I suppose so, at least what Unity is concerned, and the phone in particular
[03:22] <Len-nb> Ya, lots of mobile talk.
[03:25] <Len-nb> lots of one size fits all. kind of like the adjustable wrench or vicegrips...
[03:29] <Len-nb> xubuntu has at least 3 sessions I have found so far
[03:30] <zequence> busy people
[03:30] <Len-nb> All one person actually
[03:31] <Len-nb> I have seen the word "touch" about 10 times too many  :)
[03:32] <zequence> hehe
[03:32] <Len-nb> not because it shouldn't be there... just doesn't work with my focus
[03:33] <zequence> Well, it'll be interesting to see how the phone fares. I will be getting one as soons as I'm able, and hope to be able to customize it
[03:34] <Len-nb> not a phone for me, a small tablet might be nice though
[03:34] <zequence> Some Windows programmer made some statements, and then took them back http://www.osnews.com/story/27023/Windows_slower_than_other_operating_systems_
[03:35] <zequence> 05:33 < zequence> Well, it'll be interesting to see how the phone fares. I will be getting one as soons as I'm able, and hope to be able to customize it
[03:35] <zequence> Damn, middle mouse button
[03:41] <Len-nb> Windows is slow? this news? Win 7 that came on my netbook made it run like a 386 with win 3.1  :P
[03:44] <zequence> I'm sure the Linux kernel is doing some things that the Windows kernel can't but one thing we can't do is get low latency with a generic kernel
[03:45] <zequence> Luckily we can just build differente versions, but still, would be nice if the same kernel could change modes depending on needs, or requests from the applications
[03:46] <zequence> From what I was told, the kernel would need to be redesigned for that to happen, but I'm not the one to judge what is really required for that
[03:59] <zequence> Actually, how hard would it really be to make some introductionary videos and put them up on youtube? Just show how you start jack, and stuff like that. Shouldn't take more than a couple of days to shoot some stuff, and add text to it. Then upload
[03:59] <zequence> Think I'll do that some day
[03:59] <zequence> Then fix a page for that on our website
[04:21] <Len-nb> zequence, with a generic kernel, I can tell it to not use a CPU core on startup. I can then use a utility to run user code on that core. That sounds like low latency to me... if I have 8 cores and only allow the OS to use one, I have 7 RT cores.
[04:21] <Len-nb> Must be a hole in that somewhere...
[04:22] <Len-nb> Still has to interact with the OS for system resources.
[04:23] <Len-nb> So a low latency kernel could work though.
[04:28] <zequence> What I mean is the generic kernel doesn't do preempt very well
[04:28] <zequence> While the windows kernel is more dynamic when it comes to that
[04:28] <zequence> The same kernel can be used for low power usage, and low latency audio
[04:29] <zequence> without doing any configuration
[04:29] <zequence> or reboots
[04:29] <Len-nb> the app has to ask for it.
[04:29] <zequence> Yes, that's how it works on the windows kernel
[04:30] <zequence> And, it would be nice if the same thing was true on generic
[04:30] <micahg> windows kernel is also a behemoth AIUI
[04:32] <Len-nb> It tries to be everything to everyone.
[04:32] <zequence> Well, if that was true, it would run on all kinds of arches, from supercomputers to cell phones ;)
[04:33] <Len-nb> It may have changed, but it seems to me it is a single user OS with multi user patched on top.
[04:33] <zequence> Linux is everything to everyone, but needs to be built specifically for different use cases, and that of course make sense, if you're only going to be using it for one thing
[04:34] <zequence> The desktop is quite a broad use case
[04:34] <Len-nb> hp/ntfs is also single user at it's core
[04:36] <zequence> gotta run. time to go to school
[04:36] <Len-nb> Enjoy, bye
[04:36] <zequence> thanks :) bye
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon Ubuntu Studio people.
[08:52] <smartboyhw> zequence: For kdenlive, I think we have the merge item on TODO. Let me check.
[08:54] <smartboyhw> We = Kubuntu
[08:54] <smartboyhw> Damn there isn't let me add one.
[12:52] <DarkEra> hi all :)
[12:55] <smartboyhw_> Hello DarkEra:)
[12:56] <DarkEra> heya smartboyhw_  how are you doing?
[12:57] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Good
[12:58] <DarkEra> :)
[13:15] <DarkEra> bbl again, shopping time
[21:19] <Len-nb> The blurb on "Image based updates" Is, I hope, miss-worded.
[21:20] <Len-nb> When it says opt out, I hope that means for certain use types (phones tablets) but not desktops/laptops.
[21:21] <Len-nb> I think for any machine that has added/removed SW, the apt update method should remain default.
[22:27] <JTa>  /nick JTa_aFk
[22:51] <Len-nb> chromium as default browser?
[22:55] <DarkEra> Len-nb, in ubuntu studio?
[22:56] <Len-nb> In ubuntu base or core
[22:56] <Len-nb> I don't think we add fire fox, I think we adopt it from the core.
[22:58] <DarkEra> chromium as default would be great since i always install that one.
[22:58] <Len-nb> Nope it is in our seeds.
[22:58] <Len-nb> So I guess we can decide what we want
[22:59] <Len-nb> I have a long standing bug with FF where it gets local dates wrong in some JS files.
[23:00] <Len-nb> anyway, chromium may just show up at some time...
[23:06] <Len-nb> It looks like Unity is planning to launch all its apps using upstart.
[23:07] <Len-nb> I wonder how that works with non-dbus apps or if there is a wrapper.
[23:12]  * Len-nb might be able to catch some of the last session on one of the days of UDS...


[00:03] <bkerensa> woah
[00:03] <bkerensa> my keyboard back lighting is going on the fritz
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[13:12] <jcastro> hey popey
[13:12] <jcastro> my software update spins forever sometimes
[13:12] <jcastro> is that normalish?
[13:13] <popey> more detail required
[13:13] <jcastro> the circle just spins there
[13:13] <jcastro> but I'm on an N7 not an N4
[13:13] <jcastro> so I don't think you care about me yet
[13:14] <popey> i have n7 too
[13:14] <popey> adb shell
[13:14] <popey> system-image-cli -i
[13:14] <popey> what version you on?
[13:14] <jcastro> 68 I think, new desktop install, not set up with adb yet
[13:14]  * jcastro goes off to do that
[13:15] <jcastro> do I need to PPA or is everything in saucy these days?
[13:15] <popey> wat wat wat
[13:15] <popey> 68 is ye olde
[13:15] <jcastro> yeah I saw your 70 announcement and wanted the goodies
[13:15] <popey> 70?
[13:15] <popey> 90!
[13:15] <jcastro> the one with mir
[13:15] <popey> re-flash it with something newer - phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel saucy
[13:15] <popey> yes, 90
[13:15] <jcastro> anyway, it's updating now
[13:16] <popey> yay
[13:16] <jcastro> it seemed like the ui for the update button was hung
[15:04] <dholbach> hey jono - welcome back :)
[15:05] <jono> hey dholbach :-)
[15:05] <jono> thanks!
[15:05] <jono> great to be back :-)
[15:05] <smartboyhw> jono, how do you find Japan?
[15:05] <smartboyhw> (And more importantly, it's food)
[15:07] <jono> smartboyhw, had a wonderful time!
[15:07] <jono> the food is...different :-)
[15:08] <jono> I ate things I didn't know even existed :-)
[15:08] <jono> but what a wonderful culture and people
[15:08] <jono> Japanese people are literally the nicest people I have ever met
[15:08] <jono> there is one downside
[15:08] <smartboyhw> jono, lol. I quite like Japanese food and culture (not politics). Agreed for the nicest part:)
[15:08] <jono> I am now going to expect everyone to call me Jono San
[15:09] <jono> yeah, not aware of much of the politics
[15:09] <jono> but had a really awesome few days
[15:09] <dholbach> Daniel-san would make sense - everybody knows it from the movie (long time ago), Jono San... not so sure
[15:09] <dholbach> :-P
[15:09] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:09] <jono> dholbach, this is true, Daniel San
[15:09] <dholbach> haha
[15:09]  * dholbach hugs jono
[15:09] <jono> wax on, wax off
[15:09]  * jono hugs dholbach :-)
[15:09] <dholbach> exactly
[15:09] <jono> I also slept like a champ last night
[15:09] <jono> Erica let me sleep in
[15:10] <jono> so like is beautiful today :-)
[15:10] <dholbach> ^ mhall119, jcastro, balloons, dpm: today is a good day to ask for holiday extensions
[15:11]  * balloons notes
[15:11] <dpm> pay rises anyone?
[15:11] <mhall119> pay raises....everyone!
[15:11] <balloons> team sprint in the Caribbean?
[15:11] <dpm> this is like UDS, so many good ideas coming up!
[15:12]  * mhall119 takes a work item to lay on the beach
[15:12] <jcastro> jono, there's a time-sensitive thing you need to approve or disapprove wrt. desrt, it's in your inbox
[15:13] <jono> jcastro, done
[15:13] <jono> I acked it
[15:13] <jono> mhall119, hey
[15:13] <jono> guess what I am going to ask?
[15:13] <jono> <drumroll?

[15:13] <mhall119> how my day was?
[15:13] <mhall119> what I want for christmas?
[15:13] <jono> LOL
[15:13] <jono> .........what is the d.u.c update?
[15:13] <jono> :-)
[15:13] <mhall119> all I want for christmas is an easy juju deployment to prodstack
[15:14]  * smartboyhw wonders how much jono was paid;)
[15:14] <jcastro> jono, http://ikeaordeath.com/
[15:14] <jono> smartboyhw, I get paid in tears
[15:14] <jcastro> it's much harder than it seems ^^
[15:14] <jono> jcastro, I saw that
[15:14] <jono> I havent had a go yet
[15:14] <smartboyhw> jono, great, how many litres of tears?
[15:14] <mhall119> jono: so on Friday I fixed the nagios error, which jjo then tried to deploy with a charm upgrade on Monday, which showed us that upgrading the charm for an existing deployment didn't work at all
[15:15] <mhall119> and since that's how it is going to be upgraded, that needed to work
[15:15] <mhall119> so I spent tuesday going back and forth with jjo to figure out exactly what was failing, then most of yesterday with marcoceppi figuring out how to make it not fail
[15:15] <balloons> jcastro, epic site!
[15:15] <mhall119> late yesterday I filed a new rt (jjo's request) with an updated and more tested charm
[15:16] <mhall119> I had to rip out some "clever" things that I got from the certification charm I was basing mine off, because they were the parts not working and I didn't understand what or why, so it's slightly less clever but it works now
[15:17] <jono> smartboyhw, depends on the day :-)
[15:17] <marcoceppi> mhall119: well it works now!
[15:17] <smartboyhw> jono, nice:)
[15:17] <mhall119> marcoceppi: it works now on LXC
[15:17] <jcastro> jono, also, news flash ...
[15:17] <marcoceppi> mhall119: Charms build character
[15:17] <mhall119> marcoceppi: we'll see about production
[15:17] <marcoceppi> ;)
[15:17] <balloons> marcoceppi, lol
[15:17] <jcastro> we'll have manual provisioning in about 7 days
[15:17] <mhall119> marcoceppi: puts hair on my chest?
[15:17] <jono> mhall119, so now it is ready for deployment?
[15:17] <jcastro> aka. juju for everybody. juju for alan bell.
[15:17] <mhall119> drives me to the bottle
[15:18] <mhall119> jono: yes, just waiting on a webop to pick it up and do it
[15:18] <jono> mhall119, poifect
[15:18] <jono> thanks for dealing with all of this pain
[15:18] <jono> you will be rewarded with more work items
[15:18] <marcoceppi> mhall119: now you know why I get paid in beer tabs ;)
[15:18]  * mhall119 blames jcastro for all the pain
[15:18] <jono> don't say I don't care
[15:18] <jono> :-)
[15:18] <jcastro> hey man, don't blame us.
[15:18] <jono> it is all jcastro's fault
[15:18] <jcastro> prodstack is a world of pain
[15:18] <mhall119> jono: yay?
[15:18] <jono> I agree, never blame the Juju team
[15:18] <jono> lol
[15:18] <jcastro> mhall119, fire it up on ec2 and expense it
[15:18] <jcastro> :p
[15:19] <jono> jcastro, hey, screw you :-)
[15:19] <mhall119> jcastro: you were supposed to convince IS to be all hippie and open it up to us to deploy whatever we wanted
[15:19] <jono> no "just expense it" :-)
[15:19] <jcastro> seirously, next week
[15:19] <jcastro> JUJU ON DIGITAL OCEAN
[15:19] <jcastro> Juju on Linode, Juju on $anything_with_ubuntu_ssh
[15:19] <marcoceppi> JUJU ON SLICED BREAD
[15:19] <smartboyhw> jcastro, huh, I got 11 in http://ikeaordeath.com/ :P
[15:19] <dholbach> jono, remember the guitar-shaped swimming pool?
[15:19] <balloons> juju on DO +1
[15:19] <jcastro> smartboyhw, I own like most of those ikea things too ... and still got them wrong
[15:19] <mhall119> marcoceppi: but I only run Mint on my bread
[15:20] <mhall119> because I like Cinnamon
[15:20] <jono> dholbach, haha :-)
[15:20] <jcastro> http://24.media.tumblr.com/00a1c2008ba3cb8e36a3eaf759eb9a67/tumblr_mf2edageSA1qcbojfo1_500.gif
[15:21] <mhall119> dholbach: saw this a while ago and meant to send it to you: http://cubiclebot.com/funny/shazams-take-on-blender-noise/
[15:23] <jono> mhall119, dpm can we do a quick sync up?
[15:23] <dpm> jono, sure
[15:24] <jono> cool, setting it up
[15:24] <jono> dpm, mhall119 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/caec43b3b3e986d55491dc60372b9b591b12df3b?hl=en
[16:42] <marcoceppi> jcastro: what's your leaf?
[16:42] <jcastro> what do you mean? last month?
[16:42] <jcastro> ooh, new report!
[16:43] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, report just came out
[16:43] <jcastro> 27, 221 total
[16:43] <jcastro> man, the smoke detector is so lame
[16:43] <jcastro> I really wanted a normal home automation thing
[17:01] <jono> dpm, mhall119 one other thing
[17:01] <jono> can you reach out to the guy who is making http://iloveubuntu.net/ubuntutouch-chess-sees-new-improvements-work-progress and encourage him to get his first cut in the store
[17:01] <jono> it doesn't look done yet, but to know he has support
[17:01] <popey> that reminds me
[17:02] <popey> we should get checkers in
[17:02] <mhall119> popey: I've already reached out to Filippo
[17:03] <popey> coolio
[17:03] <mhall119> he's done 3 apps, checkers minesweeper and netwalk
[17:03] <dpm> jono, ok. mhall119 I'm about to call it a day, can I leave it in your hands to reach to the chess developer?
[17:03] <mhall119> dpm: yeah, I'll add it to my collection list
[17:03] <dpm> mhall119, good idea, thanks
[17:04] <jono> thanks mhall119
[17:04] <jono> man, Mir is working pretty damn good on the N4 :-)
[17:05] <mhall119> I know, I'm really happy with it
[17:05] <jono> and now they can focus on integration fixes :-)
[17:05] <mhall119> it's performance is much more consistent that surfaceflinger
[17:17] <dholbach> all right my friends
[17:17] <dholbach> calling it a day
[17:17] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:32] <popey> h/49
[18:46] <jono> mhall119, did you file a bug for the canvas issues in uDraw etc?
[18:47] <mhall119> jono: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1229287
[18:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1229287 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Drawing apps show only a black screen where drawable component should be" [High,Confirmed]
[18:47] <mhall119> it's not against uDraw specifically
[18:47] <jono> right
[18:47] <jono> I want to get this actioned
[18:56] <popey> jono: did you see the comment at the end of that bug from kaleo?
[19:22] <philipballew> jono, do you think you will have time in the next day or so for a meeting/hangout? It's fine either way. but figured I should confirm.
[20:00] <jono> popey, I did, but it still sounds like a bug
[20:00] <jono> if it works on desktop it should work on mobile without code changes
[20:00] <popey> wossat?
[20:01] <popey> oh, i see
[20:56] <jono> mhall119, where is the HTML tutorial on developer.ubuntu.com/apps/html-5/ ?
[23:15] <mhall119> jono: I don't think we have one yet
[23:30] <jono> mhall119, ok, we need to add this to the list
[23:30] <jono> we do have a tutorial in the cordova section
[23:30] <jono> but we need one in the general HTML section too
[23:31] <mhall119> yeah, it's on the list of things we need