[00:16] <kyrofa> sarnold, alright, done, any chance you'd be willing to sponsor it for us?
[00:18] <sarnold> kyrofa: sorry, I'm not a coredev :(
[00:21] <Unit193> python-pygraphviz is in universe.
[00:22] <sarnold> oh! so motu would suffice?
[00:22] <sarnold> (which, alas, I am also not, but that's probably a larger poool :)
[00:23] <Unit193> Yes sir.
[04:42] <Unit193> Is there anything preventing someone sync'ing libjson-c from experimental?
[04:45] <tsimonq2> Unit193: .
[04:45] <tsimonq2> When are you going to become a Core Developer, again? :P
[04:45] <Unit193> Why would I?  I like the fringe packages. :3
[04:45] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[04:45] <Unit193> (Read: I'm only looking into this because of 'sway')
[04:45] <tsimonq2> OOOOOH
[04:46] <tsimonq2> What's the progress on that?
[04:46] <tsimonq2> A little birdie tells me someone is interested in starting an Ubuntu Sway flavor.
[04:46] <Unit193> depwait on json-c .13 :P
[04:46] <tsimonq2> :P
[04:46] <Unit193> Urgh, not another...
[04:46] <wxl> your what hurts?
[04:49] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Between Ubuntu Sway, Ubuntu Cinnamon, and Ubuntu Unity, I wonder if someone is already betting who actually pulls through first. :P
[04:49] <tsimonq2> (All three of those are currently in some stage of "in the works.")
[04:49] <tsimonq2> Now, if we had an active TB that could actually process a flavor application...
[04:49]  * tsimonq2 runs
[04:50] <Unit193> Who's behind them?
[04:50] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Oh look, your binaries are in the NEW queue.
[04:52] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu Unity has... Khurshid Alam? I'm not sure who else. Ubuntu Cinnamon is by someone I was told I should meet when I went to SELF but never got the chance to, so *shrug*. Ubuntu Sway is a few flavor folks.
[04:53]  * tsimonq2 glares at bashfulrobot
[04:53] <tsimonq2> :P
[04:54] <wxl> i'd be interested in trying a sway flavor actually
[04:55] <tsimonq2> wxl: That makes four existing flavor people interested.
[04:55] <Unit193> Right, so reading proposed migration output...
[04:55] <wxl> oh yeah and i'm starting a fbui flavor.
[04:55] <tsimonq2> Unit193: Oh?
[04:56] <Unit193> skipped: elogind (0, 5, 11) got: 7+0: a-1:a-4:a-0:i-0:p-0:s-2 * arm64: elogind, libelogind-dev, libelogind0, libpam-elogind
[04:56] <tsimonq2> Actually, that's a good point that I should add to the wiki page.
[04:56] <Unit193> Going to guess it's installability issues, which yeah that's sort of expected in Ubuntu since there's no systemd alternative.
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Yeah, even on notest.
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Hm.
[04:57] <Unit193> Which if sway depends on that...Hrm!
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Oh, well, I wonder why I thought that in the first place, since it wouldn't show as a candidate anyway if autopkgtests didn't pass.
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Unit193: It does?
[04:57] <tsimonq2> Wat?
[04:58] <Unit193>     - Make build-deps libsystemd-dev and libelogind-dev alternatives   So we'll want the new sway, good.
[04:58] <tsimonq2>   * libelogind0 is ABI compatible with libsystemd0 so conflict, replace and
[04:59] <tsimonq2>     provide libsystemd0 (=${source:Upstream-Version}), and also install
[04:59] <tsimonq2> Wait... wat?
[04:59] <tsimonq2>     libsystemd.so symlinks (Closes: #923244).
[04:59] <Unit193> ...You understand the point of elogind, yes?
[04:59] <tsimonq2> I actually don't. To Google I go.
[05:00] <Unit193> To replace sytemd's logind, so one can have gnome or other such things on a sysvinit/openrc system.
[05:01] <tsimonq2> Elogind has been developed for use in GuixSD, the OS distribution of GNU Guix.
[05:01] <tsimonq2> Hmm.
[05:01] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[05:01] <tsimonq2> Unit193: So you're telling me that sway depends on this thing?
[05:02]  * wxl blinks
[05:02] <tsimonq2> Oh.
[05:02] <tsimonq2> No, I'm glad it isn't.
[05:02] <tsimonq2> I guess they just want it to work in Devuan? :P
[05:03] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/sway/1.1.1-1/meson.build/#L55 well it *has* support.
[05:04] <tsimonq2> I wonder what went through Drew's mind to do that.
[05:04] <Unit193> Why not?
[05:05] <Unit193> Seems like a good thing to do.
[05:05] <tsimonq2> I'm just wondering why. :)
[05:06] <wxl> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt flavors are (consolekit + slim) + (XFCE|MATE) || (elogind + lightdm) + (Cinnamon|KDE|LXQt)
[05:06] <Unit193> That's like wondering why one would support logind..
[05:06] <wxl> almost exactly
[05:06] <Unit193> Anyway, doesn't matter.  Things are sync'd.
[05:07] <tsimonq2> Ohhh, it just clicked to me that it's drop-in for their use case.
[05:07] <tsimonq2> Okay, that's cool.
[05:07] <wxl> the sleeper has awakened
[05:12] <tsimonq2> There, added update_output_notest.txt to ProposedMigration.
[05:26] <Unit193> Wasn't there an openbox style Wayland compositor?
[09:09] <rbalint> seb128, i'm -1 about nagging uploaders about infra issues, too, but this is not the sru team's fault, the infra should retry automatically
[09:10] <seb128> rbalint, right, fair enough
[09:52] <rbasak> seb128: I agree it's tedious to drive SRUs because of the false postiive autopkgtests
[09:52] <rbasak> seb128: but I don't think it makes sense for the process to require that the limited-in-size SRU team do that driving when any uploader can do it. It'd be more efficient if everyone pitched in.
[09:53] <rbasak> seb128: separately, if we can figure out how to reduce the false positives, that'd be good too :)
[09:53] <seb128> rbasak, well, I know that some uploaders get confused on what to do when the test failures is an infra issue and just do nothing and then the SRU sits there for ages
[09:53] <seb128> indeed
[09:54] <rbasak> sil2100, seb128: I suggest a tag that means "autopkgtest results have false positives"
[09:55] <rbasak> The notification could ask the uploader to tag if they've checked, and we could have the pending-sru report mark the autopkgtest faiilures green or something like that.
[09:55] <rbasak> Then uploaders will know what to do and the SRU team can focus on the ones that have been looked at first.
[09:57] <seb128> yeah, that would be better/less confusing I think
[09:57] <sil2100> rbasak: might be a possibility
[09:57] <sil2100> Anyway, even without the bug notification, in most cases people would anyway 'be confused' if they checked the autopkgtest failures, which we expect them to do
[09:57] <Laney> That indicator-session case from yesterday passed once the kernel had fully published out, by the way.
[09:58] <sil2100> As I said, nothing changed in the process or anything, we always expected people to look at autopkgtest results of their SRUs
[09:58] <rbasak> Yes - adding the notification hasn't made anything worse IMHO.
[09:58] <seb128> Laney, you mean gnome-settings-daemon?
[09:58] <Laney> That was the trigger.
[09:58] <seb128> ah, right
[09:58] <seb128> crap, I did a test retry
[09:59] <seb128> thx awesome bar to completing to the retry url for me :/
[12:19] <ahasenack> xnox: I've been testing apache2 with client cert auth following the openssl 1.1.1 update
[12:19] <ahasenack> I don't have a conclusion yet, but I've been finding some things
[12:19] <ahasenack> for example, in disco, it doesn't even establish a connection, because browsers try tls 1.3, and that fails with this errror in the logs:
[12:20] <ahasenack> [Thu Jun 27 20:55:43.549681 2019] [ssl:error] [pid 2620:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>78144] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:60000] AH10129: verify client post handshake, referer: https://bionic-apache-client-cert.lxd/
[12:20] <ahasenack> [Thu Jun 27 20:55:43.549715 2019] [ssl:error] [pid 2620:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>78144] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:60000] AH10158: cannot perform post-handshake authentication, referer: https://bionic-apache-client-cert.lxd/
[12:20] <ahasenack> [Thu Jun 27 20:55:43.549732 2019] [ssl:error] [pid 2620:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>78144] SSL Library Error: error:14268117:SSL routines:SSL_verify_client_post_handshake:extension not received
[12:20] <rbasak> ahasenack: sounds like we should bump it to Critical?
[12:20] <ahasenack> I googled that extension, firefox seems to have it in some version, and chrome/chromium hasn't implemented it yet
[12:20] <ahasenack> rbasak: I just want to be sure my setup is ok first, client cert auth is messy to setup and prone to errors
[12:21] <ahasenack> I tried disco thinking it would be my good case, but it failed there too. I wanted to try xenial now
[12:21] <rbasak> Ah
[12:21] <rbasak> Somehow I missed that it was limited to client cert auth only, sorry.
[12:21] <maswan> we run on client cert auth all over at $work, and as of today everything is horribly slow :/
[12:21] <ahasenack> on tls v1.2, bionic, I get the same error as reported in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1833039
[12:22] <ahasenack> maswan: that's the bug above, a long timeout
[12:22] <ahasenack> rbasak: there is also something about mod reqtimeout, which we have set to 20s, I think the timeouts are related to that kicking in. I tried disabling it, but then the connection never times out
[12:22] <ahasenack> something else to investigate
[12:23] <maswan> yeah, our wiki maintainer already found that bug, and luckily it's almost weekend here and we hope for better times after the weekend. :)
[12:23] <ahasenack> the upstream commit pointed at in the bug talks about tls v1.3 only:     mod_ssl: disable check for client initiated renegotiations with TLS 1.3.
[12:23] <ahasenack> but we are seeing the timeouts with 1.2
[12:23] <ahasenack> I think there are many things going on and we need to separate them
[12:24] <ahasenack> first, I don't think apache in bionic has tls v1.3 support
[12:24] <maswan> hm. it's 1.2 here, at least when it finally manages to connect and load
[12:33] <paride> ahasenack, so in your setup it just fails, no long waits
[12:33] <ahasenack> not what I said
[12:33] <xnox> ahasenack:  ouch
[12:33]  * paride re-reads
[12:33] <ahasenack> in disco it fails, because tls 1.3 is negotiated, but apache complains the browser lacks a certain extension
[12:33] <ahasenack> I found bugs about that in firefox and chromium
[12:35] <ahasenack> in bionic I reproduce the timeout
[12:35] <ahasenack> and I think modrequesttimeout is playing a role here, maybe even helping, I'm not sure yet
[12:36] <paride> ahasenack, and in disco there is no fallback to tls1.2, if I get it right
[12:36] <ahasenack> for client cert auth, nope
[12:37] <ahasenack> the upstream bugs need a closer inspection (firefox, chromium). There was one for apache too, when it was thought it was an apache bug, but apparently that was closed as invalid (that one I didn't even skim yet)
[12:40] <paride> ahasenack, I wonder if changing the MinProtocol / MaxProtocol options in /etc/ssl/openssl.conf would have an effect in this case
[12:41] <ahasenack> apache has settings for that
[12:42] <ahasenack> I mean, if you are thinking about a workaround, it could be set in apache, if there is one
[12:42] <ahasenack> I'm not clear on the renegotiation feature, if it's allowed or not
[12:42] <ahasenack> openssl's s_client can trigger a renegotiation, via the R key after the connection is established, and it's refused all the time by the server
[12:42] <ahasenack> I'm not sure yet what's the expected behavior
[12:45] <ahasenack> these are my raw test setup instructions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2fTg2yM2Ht/
[14:18] <xnox> ahasenack:  paride: so upstream have refactored SSLVerifyCLient processing inside location stanzas
[14:18] <xnox> ahasenack:  paride: due to observed brokeness.
[14:19] <xnox> ahasenack:  paride: i don't think that's in any release.
[14:19] <ahasenack> xnox: are you saying this in response to my comment about things working if I move that outside of a location block?
[14:19] <xnox> ahasenack:  paride: shall we try capping apache2 to tlsv1.2 for now, across the board, until we can get new apache upstream release which is actually compatible and performance with tlsv1.3
[14:20] <ahasenack> xnox: I don't think capping to 1.2 fixes it. That's in fact where I see the problem
[14:20] <xnox> ahasenack:  yes, moving things outside of the block fixes things. but existing deployments will not change their apache config.
[14:20] <xnox> ahasenack:  SIGH
[14:20] <ahasenack> tls 1.3 has another issue with browser support, that post-auth handshake situation
[14:20] <xnox> ahasenack:  it seems like we are about to do a quite a fat apache2 update of core & mod_ssl then
[14:20] <ahasenack> that we can "fix" by capping to 1.2
[14:20] <xnox> ahasenack:  right, so capping would fix that bit only, but not everything.
[14:21] <ahasenack> the timeout is still there
[14:21] <xnox> yes, timeout  / long delay got fixed in the refactor patch series
[14:21] <xnox> ahasenack:  what about eoan? i guess it's also still broken?
[14:21] <ahasenack> xnox: in this bug the commenter says it's fixed: https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=62691#c5
[14:21] <xnox> yeap that.
[14:21] <ahasenack> the 1.3 patch is fully in 2.4.39
[14:22] <ahasenack> which we don't have in eoan, because of the dbeian freeze
[14:22] <xnox> when i looked at backporting that, to bionic it looked akward.
[14:22] <ahasenack> I was just discussing this with the team this week, if we should go ahead of debian for some packages
[14:22] <xnox> ahasenack:  it's not unusual for us to do that during a freeze.
[14:22] <xnox> ahasenack:  and/or ask debian to upload things into experimental for us to merge/sync from
[14:23] <ahasenack> xnox: I haven't tried eoan. I stopped at disco while still trying to understand the issues at play, differenciating the timeout from the tls v1.3 post-auth handshake issue
[14:24] <ahasenack> disco+ can be tested if we disable tls 1.3
[14:24] <ahasenack> I can do that
[14:24] <ahasenack> just need to be careful, I'm trying multiple things at the same time
[14:24] <ahasenack> and certificate auth quickly gets messy
[14:24] <xnox> indeed
[14:25] <paride> ahasenack, true; I'm trying to replicate your setup from the pastebin
[14:25] <ahasenack> yeah, it's a bit raw
[14:25] <ahasenack> the reqtimeout change, for example,
[14:26] <ahasenack> with that  module disabled, the connection doesn't complete, it stays stuck
[14:26] <ahasenack> and I saw in another comment in one of these multiple bugs that 2.4.39 has an extra setting in that module specifically for ssl handshakes
[14:26] <ahasenack> which one user was hoping to use as a workaround
[14:27] <xnox> hmmmm
[14:27] <xnox> ahasenack:  rebuild apache against openssl 1.0.2
[14:33] <ahasenack> hmmm
[14:33] <ahasenack> not wanting to get hopes up
[14:33] <ahasenack> but I think I found a patch that worked
[14:33] <teward> xnox: fwiw
[14:33] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopano-webapp/+bug/1834052
[14:33] <teward> regarding the badtest
[14:33] <ahasenack> https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/bbedd8b80e50647e09f2937455cc57565d94a844
[14:34] <teward> xnox: just to mention i noticed the same problem when nginx got stuck as well
[14:34] <teward> i've asked in -release for it to either be ignored or badtested several times with E:NoResponse
[14:37] <ahasenack> yea, that patch worked
[14:37] <ahasenack> xnox: paride: https://github.com/apache/httpd/commit/bbedd8b80e50647e09f2937455cc57565d94a844
[14:37] <ahasenack> I'll ask for people to test the ppa I have
[14:38] <ahasenack> https://launchpad.net/~ahasenack/+archive/ubuntu/apache2-client-cert-1833039
[14:38] <paride> ahasenack, the description and comments sound very promising
[14:39] <ahasenack> it fixed my test case at least
[14:39] <ahasenack> tried multiple times: package from distro, fail/timeout; upgrade to ppa, works
[14:45] <xnox> ahasenack:  that looks ok
[14:46] <xnox> ahasenack:  but please test it in all apache mode.
[14:46] <ahasenack> which modes do you mean?
[14:46] <xnox> ahasenack:  i.e. forking / threading / blocking / non-blocking "worker" engine stuff. => not sure about terminology, but does that make any sense at all?
[14:46] <ahasenack> ah, mpm
[14:47] <ahasenack> given the setup intructions I have, I could even add a dep8 test for this probably, but that would take more time
[14:47] <xnox> ahasenack:  there are cases where unsetting auto_retry may result in things not consumed right (hang) if the app doesn't know how to handle the SSL read/write_more_wanted error codes.
[14:47] <ahasenack> well, that is committed upstream already
[14:47] <xnox> ahasenack:  just restart the server locally with one vs the other engine. should be good enough.
[14:47] <ahasenack> I could check if there were follow-up commits
[14:48] <xnox> ahasenack:  true, just thinking if it has more commit deps or follow-ups => yes that.
[14:48] <ahasenack> ok
[14:48] <xnox> (you are on track there)
[14:49] <ahasenack> maybe it's not even the auto-retry that fixed it, the other bit of that commit looks suspiscious
[14:49] <ahasenack> " For OpenSSL >=1.1.1, turn on client cert support "
[14:49] <ahasenack> the autoretry could be specific to tls v1.3
[14:50] <ahasenack> anyway
[14:53] <teward> xnox: do we want to push any Ubuntu level changes to fix the tests in kopano-webapp so we don't need to badtest it? oSoMoN did some debugging and found it's specifically due to passing a log-path arg to chromedriver (and snap isolation being the problem)
[14:53] <teward> rather than just badtesting the tests
[14:53] <teward> at least, until Debian does something about the test ( oSoMoN made a Pull Req in Debian to fix the test, but Debian is frozen so...)
[15:11] <xnox> teward:  if there is a fix, i'm happy to upload it into ubuntu.
[15:11] <xnox> teward:  link?
[15:12] <teward> xnox: https://salsa.debian.org/giraffe-team/kopano-webapp/merge_requests/1/diffs
[15:12] <teward> it requires alteration to d/tests/test_webapp.py
[15:12] <teward> but just adjusting the service_args
[15:12] <teward> author is oSoMoN
[15:12] <xnox> ack
[15:12] <teward> xnox: I can push it in also (yay for coredev) but wanted to check BEFORE making any changes
[15:12] <xnox> ahasenack:  yeah that other bit, is weird.
[15:13] <xnox> teward:  it looks harmless, go for it.
[15:13] <teward> ack
[15:13] <teward> .. bleh where'd i put the code...
[15:13] <xnox> teward:  as long as, like we don't collect the log from that path. Or like we assert on stderr and without the log, it will start producing stderr.
[15:13] <teward> ... oh that's right it was in my tmpfs *derp*
[15:13] <teward> xnox: AFAICT that's not even a retrievable artifact after autopkgtests have run
[15:13] <teward> my guess is it'll spit out to stdout/stderr
[15:14] <teward> but oSoMoN would have details there
[15:14] <Laney> test it yourself
[15:14] <teward> xnox: that is, however, the reason chromedriver is crashing
[15:14] <Laney> don't blindly upload
[15:14] <teward> Laney: i am testing it - slowly ;)
[15:14]  * teward is currently stuck in a "Downloading files" state
[15:19]  * Laney sends some bandwidth over in the post
[15:22] <Laney> would be good if the installing snap stage showed progress
[15:23] <teward> indeed
[15:23] <teward> Laney: i'm running the autopkgtest locally, it's slow only because of the Internet being stupid.
[15:25] <teward> it's the uplink speed here there's a lot of visitors on site too so it breaks things.  and apparently my LXD image for Eoan autopkgtests is broken soooo..... i'mma have to rebuild it.
[15:25]  * teward rebuilds the LXD image
[15:27]  * teward runs the autopkgtest
[15:28] <Laney> you might have some trouble installing the snap there
[15:28] <Laney> (that's the armhf problem)
[15:30] <teward> Laney: amd64 can install it fine
[15:30] <teward> my infra's amd64
[15:30] <teward> the amd64 failure is due to log-path and snap confining
[15:30] <Laney> it is not an arch problem, it is a VM vs LXD problem
[15:30] <teward> Laney: well SO FAR I haven't had the issue in my local snaps
[15:30] <teward> s/snaps/LXD tests
[15:31] <Laney> it's possible to have lxd containers which can install snaps, sure
[15:31] <Laney> the ones we have for autopkgtest can't, though
[15:31] <teward> right but i'm talking for my local tests, not the ones in use on the autopkgtest env.
[15:31] <teward> if we can pass the amd64/i386 tests we can badtest the armhf still
[15:31] <teward> THAT i already asked for :p
[15:31] <Laney> I said might
[15:31] <teward> and got E:NoReply in -release
[15:32] <Laney> and that badtest is already there
[15:34] <oSoMoN> teward, it's likely that without a --log-file parameter, the --verbose switch to chromedriver will make it write to stderr, but that should be fine because the autopkgtest already has the allow-stderr restriction
[15:35] <teward> oSoMoN: indeed.
[15:35] <oSoMoN> https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/chromedriver/logging confirms it will write to stderr
[15:35] <teward> i don't have a VM to autopkgtest with damn snaps.
[15:36] <teward> does autopkgtest have a vmware hook for creating VMs for testing? just curious
[15:36] <teward> i have VMware Workstation on this system which is why I ask :|
[15:39] <Laney> nein
[15:40] <teward> meh qemu it is then.
[15:40]  * teward installs into the system
[15:40] <teward> at least i have a local archive mirror so it will do THAT part fast heh
[15:48] <Laney> teward: oSoMoN: It's still failing for me fwiw https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GJJPNB3BwR/
[15:48] <teward> Laney: *with* the patch?
[15:48] <Laney> yes
[15:48] <teward> oSoMoN: sounds like it's still fubar.
[15:49] <oSoMoN> meh
[15:49] <teward> still going to get my Eoan qemu autopkgtest env set up
[15:49] <Laney> sorry :(
[15:49] <teward> but it's slowwwwwwwwwww (56% of 500MB and I'm jacked right into the network)
[15:57] <oSoMoN> Laney, passing here, in an eoan amd64 VM
[15:57] <Laney> run it with autopkgtest, that's what I've been doing
[15:57] <oSoMoN> yes, I’ve run it with autopkgtest -B . -- null
[15:57] <oSoMoN> verified failing without the patch, and passing with it
[15:58] <Laney> ...
[15:58] <Laney> I mean it fails
[15:58] <Laney> try the qemu runner
[15:58] <Laney> autopkgtest --output-dir out2 --shell-fail --timeout-copy=6000 --apt-upgrade kopano-webapp_3.5.6+dfsg1-1ubuntu1.dsc  -- qemu --ram-size=8192 ../reallytemp/autopkgtest-eoan-amd64.img
[15:59] <oSoMoN> gotta go now, family waiting for me, but please keep me posted (comments on the bug), thanks!
[16:03] <teward> Laney: i'll do so as soon as this thing finishes building the image.  It's sit on libc6 triggers :|
[16:56] <LocutusOfBorg> hello xnox, can I fix borgbackup please?
[17:03] <ahasenack> xnox: confirmed disco works with client cert auth with no timeouts if I disable tlsv1.3 in the vhost (SSLProtocol all -SSLv3 -TLSv1.3). With TLSv1.3 I get
[17:03] <ahasenack> out of the box, I get https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/XdWq2xzq7Z/ (out of the box we have tlsv1.3 enabled)
[17:03] <ahasenack> so that will need a different fix, even if it's disabling tlsv1.3
[17:04] <ahasenack> FF needs release 68 to work as far as I can tell, we are at 67


[19:35] <coxn> what package provides /usr/bin/HEAD for you?
[19:57] <Nivex> kjotte@aaladm104:~$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/HEAD
[19:57] <Nivex> libwww-perl: /usr/bin/HEAD
[19:59] <coxn> ty. I figured out it was -S and failed to post back here
[19:59] <coxn> for some reason I had -l stuck in my head badly enough that I didn't consult the manpage
[20:03] <Nivex> no worries


[00:10]  * bkerensa is back in PDX :)
[00:10] <bkerensa> now time to go find some grub
[02:04] <nathwill> hey everybody!
[02:05] <nibalizer> hai!
[02:06] <nathwill> hey nibalizer. just got back from the movies, i believe we have our monthly IRC meeting scheduled for tonite, has anyone kicked it off yet?
[02:07] <jvlb> not so's you'd notice
[02:08] <nathwill> alrighty then. let's get things started. i'll send Ben a text to remind him. i imagine he's pretty tired from his trip
[02:08] <nathwill> #startmeeting
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[02:08] <nathwill> #meetingtopic Ubuntu Oregon Monthly IRC meeting for May 2012
[02:10] <nathwill> ok. looks like no specific agenda items have been added to the wiki. does anyone have anything they want to discuss?
[02:10] <nathwill> ref: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam/Meetings/CurrentAgenda
[02:12] <nathwill> alrighty. :) i'll just mention a couple things going on, most of it's been mentioned on the mailing list before, but in case any one missed it.
[02:12] <blkperl> whens the next debian/ubuntu bug party?
[02:12] <nathwill> :)
[02:13] <nathwill> blkperl, i don't think anyone's started scheduling anything, but i'd definitely be interested.
[02:13] <nathwill> now that UDS is over, let's add that to our agenda, eh?
[02:13] <nathwill> #subtopic debian/ubuntu bug squashing party
[02:14] <blkperl> I can get a room at PSU if we want to have it there
[02:14] <nibalizer> yea lets do that
[02:15] <nathwill> perfect. i as just going to ask who'd hosted before. i think PSU is a great place to do it.
[02:16] <blkperl> nathwill: nibalizer and i can provide virtual machines as well
[02:16] <nathwill> blkperl: that sounds awesome. i should be able to do the same if more are needed.
[02:17] <nathwill> ok, so slangasek and kees i believe headed things up last time?
[02:17] <nathwill> or who steered the last one?
[02:18] <nathwill> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1454/detail/
[02:18] <nathwill> there's the details for the last BSP we had
[02:19] <nathwill> so last time we focused on multiarch, bitesize, packaging bugs.
[02:19] <nathwill> and SRU verification.
[02:20] <nathwill> i would think that that would still be a great set of things to focus on... y'all agree?
[02:20] <blkperl> yep that sounds good
[02:22] <nathwill> alright. to make sure we can get the word out and get the biggest possible participation, how does early June sound?
[02:22] <nathwill> i'm thinking a Saturday is most likely to be a day that people are free.
[02:22] <blkperl> hmm just a second, it needs to be after PSU finals
[02:22] <nathwill> ok
[02:22] <nathwill> what's that schedule like?
[02:22] <nibalizer> prolly best to do june 16 or so
[02:23] <blkperl> yes june 16
[02:23] <blkperl> or later
[02:23] <nathwill> ok. june 16 would be 3rd saturday. so maybe 16th, maybe 23rd.
[02:24] <blkperl> that sounds good
[02:24] <nathwill> let's do a followup on that on the mailing list so we can get broader input on availability.
[02:24] <nathwill> eh?
[02:24] <blkperl> yep
[02:25] <nathwill> great. that sounds like a good plan.
[02:25] <nathwill> anything else that we should address immediately on the topic of the next BSP?
[02:25] <nathwill> blkperl, i'm assuming it's relatively straightforward to get a room?
[02:26] <nibalizer> nathwill: yes
[02:26] <blkperl> nathwill: yep, we just need to know how many so we can get the correct room
[02:27] <blkperl> or a rough estimate :)
[02:27] <blkperl> which if people rsvp that will be fine
[02:27] <blkperl> also we have a room bigger than the puppetlabs area so we should be fine
[02:27] <nathwill> ok. thanks nibalizer.
[02:27] <nathwill> ok. sounds like we've got that dealt with as much as we can for the moment. you guys want to send the email asking for input on the preferred date, or should i?
[02:27] <nibalizer> we can provide wireless access, power, that stuff, food is allowed int he room but PSU won't pay for it
[02:28] <nathwill> yeah, i'll create the event on loco.ubuntu.com as soon as we get a date nailed, then people can start RSVP'ing.
[02:28] <nibalizer> nathwill: you should, i'm not even on the mailing list
[02:28] <nathwill> i'm thinking we'll collect input until Friday, if i send the mail tonite.
[02:28] <nathwill> ok. /msg nibalizer tsk tsk ;)
[02:28] <nathwill> lol
[02:29] <nathwill> anything else for BSP we need to figure out that isn't date dependent?
[02:31] <nibalizer> i've never done it before, so idunno
[02:32] <nathwill> ok. i can't think of anything, so let's call that covered for now.
[02:33] <nathwill> and we can follow up on the mailing list or in IRC throughout the week if anything else comes up.
[02:33] <nathwill> alright, next topic...
[02:34] <nathwill> #topic launchpad membership
[02:35] <nathwill> just a quick reminder in case you didn't get the mail... tracking membership on the wiki was really unwieldy, and loco council takes the membership in the loco-group to be more valid... so we've axed the membership list from the wiki
[02:35] <nathwill> if you haven't yet, please join the ~ubuntu-us-or group on launchpad
[02:36] <nathwill> #link https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-or
[02:36] <blkperl> done
[02:36] <nathwill> if you have any questions, feel free to message me or ben.
[02:36] <nathwill> thanks blkperl :)
[02:38] <nathwill> we're doing pretty well this year, just so y'all know in case you haven't seen it. we're currently 41 members strong, up 33% since december.
[02:39] <nathwill> so thank you all. it's been a super exciting year to be involved, and people are starting to realize that Ubuntu Oregon is a great team in the Ubuntu Community. let's keep the momentum going
[02:40] <nathwill> any questions on membership before we move to the next topic?
[02:41] <nathwill> as a related note, bkerensa has expressed interest in helping anyone interested in pursuing Ubuntu Membership. I'm looking at the list of things and will probably be applying sometime in the next few months.
[02:41] <nathwill> if you're interested, feel free to send Ben a mail for tips.
[02:42] <blkperl> what does Ubuntu Membership entail?
[02:43] <nathwill> Ubuntu Membership is effectively a recognition of ongoing contribution to the community.
[02:44] <nathwill> there's a lot of criteria they consider to be contribution, not strictly bugs/code/docs, etc... if you're active in the support community, these types of things make a difference too
[02:45] <nathwill> as far as benefits, Ubuntu Members can vote in the selection of Community Council's board, you get an @ubuntu.com email, and other misc perks
[02:45] <nathwill> (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership)
[02:46] <blkperl> interesting
[02:47] <nathwill> yeah. i'm generally pretty skeptical of "belonging" to an organization, but from what i can tell, this is a genuinely mutually beneficial way to get more involved with the community
[02:48] <nathwill> alrighty... any other questions on launchpad/ubuntu membership?
[02:50] <nathwill> alright...
[02:50] <nathwill> 2 more quick things...
[02:50] <nathwill> #topic Ubuntu Hours
[02:51] <nathwill> so i went and hung out at Ava Roasteria in Beaverton last week
[02:51] <nathwill> and nobody showed. :(
[02:51] <nathwill> is Beaverton not convenient? I'm willing to move downtown if anyone is interested and has a location suggestion.
[02:58] <nathwill> ugh.
[02:58] <nathwill> silly wifi.
[02:58] <nibalizer> nathwill: persistent connection?
[02:58] <nathwill> yeaaah...
[02:59] <nathwill> i reorganized the hardware in our office, and i think i picked the wrong corner for the router.
[02:59] <nibalizer> :(
[03:00] <nathwill> lol. it gets better too... stupid wifi signal booster can't get a gps signal, so i need to go snag a 20 ft ethernet cable so i can move the booster closer to the window
[03:00] <nathwill> anyways... after the intro talk, i'd like to get some volunteers to do technology demos on anything they're interested in showing off
[03:01] <nathwill> whether that be puppet, lxc, whatever.
[03:01] <nathwill> even a standard LAMP session would be great.
[03:01] <nibalizer> nathwill: when is this?
[03:01] <nathwill> nibalizer. i want to have the overview this month, probably the last weekend.
[03:02] <nathwill> after that, maybe bi-weekly, or once monthly...
[03:06] <nibalizer> hrm, i migt be able to make it, end of may/early june is finals and starting a new job so i can't promise you anything
[03:07] <nathwill> ok.
[03:07] <nathwill> well, i'll send an announcement as soon as we get it nailed down.
[03:08] <nathwill> any other questions about any topic at all?
[03:08] <nibalizer> no from me :)
[03:08] <nathwill> ok then!
[03:08] <nathwill> #endmeeting
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[03:09] <nathwill> well, thanks for coming everyone. :)
[03:09] <nathwill> i need to run get some avocados, but i'll be back later.
[03:09] <nathwill> y'all have a great night if i don't see ya later.
[04:40] <cy1> dangit
[04:40] <cy1> I would have totally showed up at Ava. I've even been there before.
[04:41] <cy1> Not that I would have been helpful, but hey.
[16:23] <kees> nathwill: slangasek was suggesting we do a "enable dh compat 9" focus for a future BSP. I'd love to help with that, if/when it happens.
[16:24] <nathwill> ok, that sounds great.
[16:25] <nathwill> did y'all catch the meeting minutes from last night?
[16:25] <nathwill> we're thinking 16th or 23rd of June for date.
[16:26] <nathwill> ^kees/slangasek
[16:26] <kees> nathwill: my head is still spinning from travel. those dates sound fine to me. slangasek: whachuthink?
[16:27] <nathwill> kees: blkperl said he could get us a room at PSU for venue.
[16:35] <slangasek> nathwill, kees: AFAIK I'm free either date
[16:36] <nathwill> kees, slangasek, great. i'll send the email to the list w/ the call for input on preferred of the 2 dates.
[16:41] <nathwill> kees, slangasek: see anything at UDS that you're excited about?
[16:42] <kees> nathwill: I'm cautiously optimistic about Ubuntu TV, though it is very very young. I remain excited about juju just because I like the leverage it can give people. a lot of the charms are still pretty rough, though.
[16:44] <nathwill> kees, i agree w/ the current state of charms. i almost think it was a bit early to start accepting charms when juju is still so dynamic
[16:45] <nathwill> kees: also, ubuntu tv is exciting idea, but seems remote... i'll be ecstatic when i see it available on a consumer device, though.
[16:46] <kees> some of the low-level things going on remain exciting for me -- secure boot progress, RAID/LVM work that I need to help with, securing the nvidia driver, etc
[16:47] <nathwill> kees, i'm assuming that first bit is UEFI work? has the community reached any concensus on some kind of signing authority?
[16:48] <kees> nathwill: not sure, but several of the canonical kernel folks were picking my brain about what chrome os does for its secure boot. mostly we can cheat since we rely on the firmware for really early checks, and then we have a read-only root filesystem.
[16:48] <kees> so there are still a lot of challenges for a general-purpose OS to do a uefi secure boot
[16:48] <kees> but it sounds like it's moving along _relatively_ sanely. :P
[16:50] <nathwill> kees: i'm sure a solution will emerge, but chances are things're gonna get messy before it does... hopefully oem's will be shipping with either the option to turn it off or set manual trust.
[16:50] <nathwill> kees: also, your "securing nvidia driver" intrigues me.. you have a link i can do some reading on?
[16:54] <kees> nathwill: not really, most of the nvidia stuff was hallway discussion. basically, the recent nvidia security update caused me and a few other people to start taking a closer look at the nvidia driver, and we all came away rather pale. it's not a safe driver, but I'm hoping that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/979307 will take care of the bulk of the exposure.
[16:55] <kees> bottom line -- if you're running a server that happens to have the nvidia drivers installed, look out. :)
[16:55] <nathwill> why the hell would you install binary video drivers on a server
[16:55] <kees> some people install with the desktop CD, e.g.
[16:56] <kees> it's rare, but does happen.
[17:02] <nathwill> huh.
[17:02] <nathwill> but yeah, that seems a pretty serious bug
[17:03] <kees> it wouldn't be so bad if it did any kind of perms checking in the driver code. :P the fuse driver is world-writable, but that's because it does the ACLs internally. :P
[17:22] <nathwill> iiinteresting...
[18:14] <slangasek> nathwill: the move to python3 for 12.10 is fun :)
[18:27] <nathwill> ha
[18:27] <nathwill> if by fun you mean, "break everything"
[20:19] <nathwill> bkerensa: when do you want to head down to OSL?
[20:27] <slangasek> nah, it won't break everything
[20:27] <slangasek> just things that are already using unicode badly :)
[20:49] <bkerensa> nathwill: uhh when we have SATA's and a rail kit plus OSL has not yet responded to me
[20:50] <nathwill> ah
[20:50] <nathwill> no answer yet, eh?
[20:51] <bkerensa> nope the ticket is still new status
[20:56] <bkerensa> nathwill: I just checked and they said something to the effect of someone mentioned it but no its not even been processed or evaluated yet
[20:56] <nathwill> ah
[20:56] <bkerensa> I know about 6 months ago I had but in a ticket for shared hosting with OSL and they absolutely never responded to that ticket so *shrugs*
[20:56] <nathwill> ok.
[20:56] <nathwill> well, fingers crossed
[22:01] <bkerensa> wow
[22:02] <bkerensa> so Chase is going to charge me money to accept a incoming Wire transfer
[22:02] <bkerensa> pff
[22:06] <nathwill> yay banks
[22:06] <bkerensa> ikr
[22:06] <bkerensa> :D
[22:07] <bkerensa> and this expense form is ridiculously broken anyways
[22:07] <bkerensa> the date formatting is all broken
[22:07] <nathwill> http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/discordian_calendar.html
[22:07] <nathwill> HTH
[22:10] <bkerensa> nathwill: ahh in Europe they do DD/MM/YYYY
[22:10] <bkerensa> =/
[22:10] <bkerensa> not MM/DD/YYYY
[22:10] <nathwill> .:| instead of :.|
[22:10] <nathwill> makes sense
[22:14] <nathwill> kinda like metric vs. imperial. :(
[22:42] <tgm4883> nathwill, technically, YYYYMMDD makes more sense
[22:42] <tgm4883> much easier for sorting
[22:47] <nathwill> agreed. and that's why most db's do things that way
[22:47] <nathwill> but for day-to-day usability, the range you're covering generally does not span years
[22:48] <bkerensa> kees: How is that Windows logo engraved Ubuntu Ultrabook? :)
[23:10] <kees> bkerensa: so far so good. my wife has been the primary user so far. she even likes unity with it.
[23:20] <sbeattie> kees: she likes unity with that laptop> really? Innnnteresting. Is it just that it's faster than her desktop that's the difference?
[23:40] <kees> sbeattie: I think combined with the very fast rendering speed, the overly wide screen, and the trackpad, the interface is okay. and I showed her how to find applications via the filters


[10:44] <drx> Chadarius, and that WIndows is /dev/sda1
[10:44] <drx> Chadarius, so Windows may have been on drive 1 and Linux on drive 2, I'm not really sure
[10:44] <wheels3572> gdb: Im not sure I have all the Repos open that should be lol cuz when i do an apt-get cache xchat it comes up only xchat-gnome
[10:44] <hdx> does anyone have tutorial for beryl for ati radeon 9200
[10:44] <darkbane> AlexC_ would I have to do sudo nano /path/to/monsterous/inbox?
[10:45] <drx> Chadarius, also, the bios lets you swap these drives and I was certainly doing that
[10:45] <ice63> david_: are you running ubuntu or deb?
[10:45] <Chadarius> drx: Ok that makes sense I guess. What partition on /dev/sdb?
[10:45] <Chadarius> drx: Yeah that will kill grub everytime
[10:45] <wheels3572> !repositories > wheels3572
[10:45] <AlexC_> darkbane: only if the user you're logged in as don't have access to the amazingly large file
[10:45] <david_> ubuntu 6.10
[10:45] <drx> Chadarius, remember that my printout is pre-bios changes, pre-Vista reinstall
[10:45] <AlexC_> hdx: there is a great guide on the Beryl wiki
[10:46] <Chadarius> drx: OK so have you edited your grub menu before?
[10:46] <ice63> david_: ok that's why
[10:46] <drx> Chadarius, OK, so now my Linux drive is /dev/sda
[10:46] <AlexC_> hdx: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu_Edgy_with_XGL
[10:46] <david_> ?
[10:46] <drx> Chadarius, a long time ago
[10:46] <hdx> tnx
[10:46] <drx> Chadarius, and there is no /dev/sdb in this mode
[10:46] <Chadarius> drx: Its easy and full proof... we'll back it up first
[10:46] <soundman89> help needed resetting lost root password... ICQ #-407926184
[10:46] <drx> Chad, OK, let's see...
[10:47] <AlexC_> soundman89: ask your question in here - we wont contact you on ICQ just to help you!
[10:47] <LjL> !root > soundman89    (soundman89, see the private message from Ubotu)
[10:47] <drx> Chadarius, terminal?
[10:47] <Chadarius> drx: we need to open a terminal yeah
[10:47] <LjL> soundman89: boot with "init=/bin/sh" as a kernel parameter, and follow those instructions for resetting the password
[10:47] <roxlu> hi all
[10:47] <drx> Chadarius, OK
[10:47] <darkbane> AlexC_ how much longer should I wait for openoffice to try to open this? it's been a while.
[10:47] <soundman89> LjL: thanks, ill try it
[10:47] <LjL> !bootoptions > soundman89    (soundman89, see the private message from Ubotu) | this is how you add kernel parameters at boot (look at the section that talks about hitting "e" and "b")
[10:47] <CheshireViking> has anybody installed beryl when the nvidia graphics is restricted to the nvidia 7184 driver and were there any difficulties?
[10:47] <AlexC_> darkbane: I say cancel it and try nano
[10:47] <david_> can i get bbconf or am i out of luck
[10:47] <dyrne> soundman89: in grub menu highlight the os to boot and hit e  then edit the kernel line adding init=/bin/sh  hit enter then b to boot.  once at a # prompt type mount -o remount,rw /    then change the password to whatever
[10:47] <roxlu> how can I format a partition of my external HD to exts3 ?
[10:48] <Chadarius> drx: Then we need to get to your linux drive... it is probably mounted under /media already right?
[10:48] <darkbane> AlexC_ ok, i'll try that
[10:48] <wheels3572> gdb: can someone give me a standard repo what should be commented in and or commented out?
[10:48] <AlexC_> !anyone | CheshireViking
[10:48] <ubotu> CheshireViking: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:48] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[10:49] <yopad_> hi guys...how do i get my mouse to work...i have extra buttons...is there a program for this?
[10:49] <drx> Chadarius, let me jettison the USB drive (it's mounted but it wouldn't boot)
[10:49] <yopad_> i want to be able to use my back/forward buttons like in windows xp
[10:49] <Chadarius> drx: OK... you are booting from the Live CD again then?
[10:49] <CheshireViking> AlexC_, that was my real question, it just happens to have the word anyone in it
[10:49] <Chadarius> drx: Let me know when you have your terminal open and we'll go from there
[10:49] <drx> Chadarius, Yes now
[10:49] <dyrne> yopad_: you need to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. you can do this like sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or sudo sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  if you edit the file just google for the right mouse settings
[10:50] <guerrillawon> Does anyone have a flash version recommendation for Ubuntu 64?
[10:50] <yopad_> sweet thanks dyrne
[10:50] <drx> Chadarius, should I swap the drives in BIOS so they are as they were in the old configuration or leave them alone?
[10:50] <dyrne> yopad_: choose vesa driver if you do dpkg so you dont mess up your gui
[10:50] <Chadarius> drx: you have leave them
[10:50] <Slart> guerrillawon: nope.. install 32-bit firefox.. or run the 32-bit flash player
[10:50] <darkbane> AlexC_ err.. I can't stop openoffice now
[10:50] <AlexC_> darkbane: alt+f2 and type "killall open-office"
[10:51] <Slart> guerrillawon: or.. wait.. that was a recommendation.. I guess yes then =)
[10:51] <Chadarius> drx: we just need to know how they will look when you boot normally and be able to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst file from your Linux partition
[10:51] <AlexC_> I think it's open-office anyway, ... try openoffice if that doesn't work
[10:51] <guerrillawon> Slart :P I have the 32 bit one installed with the latest flash. I was just hoping there was a maybe more stable version.
[10:51] <Slart> guerrillawon: not that I know of.. let me know if you find one
[10:52] <darkbane> AlexC_ neither worked
[10:52] <AlexC_> darkbane: killall soffice
[10:52] <david_> ill see if i can find bbconf and install it thanks for the help have good day all
[10:52] <marmer> how can I upgrade gnomebaker 0.6.0 to 0.6.1 by shell please?
[10:52] <bigcx2> hey all
[10:52] <darkbane> AlexC_ that worked
[10:52] <AlexC_> darkbane: why it's soffice ... I've no idea :P
[10:52] <bigcx2> does anyone know what ubuntu's support policy is going to be for feisty
[10:52] <guerrillawon> Slart: Will do.
[10:52] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[10:52] <AlexC_> bigcx2: #ubuntu+1
[10:53] <bigcx2> like: XX years on the desktop, and XX years for servers
[10:53] <shatrat> BiGcaT, same as edgy, it wont be long term support.
[10:53] <Slart> bigcx2: nothing on their site?
[10:53] <guerrillawon> gstreamer-properties
[10:53] <bigcx2> Slart: not for feisty
[10:53] <guerrillawon> Ahh sorry, wrong window.
[10:54] <bigcx2> so what is it for edgy then?
[10:55] <zax1> does any one of a free software that can read DBX(outlook express)file and convert them to csv ?
[10:55] <AlexC_> bigcx2: IIRC; 2 years desktop, 3 years server? not sure, just guesing
[10:55] <lightseed> hi how do i make the dns servers not obtained automaticalled?
[10:55] <bigcx2> yea that's kinda what i thought
[10:56] <darkbane> AlexC_ aaaaaagh nano isn't working either
[10:56] <AlexC_> lightseed: System->admin->networking
[10:56] <bigcx2> and then dapper was longer than that
[10:56] <AlexC_> bigcx2: Dapper is the LTS release, Long Term Support.
[10:56] <mindstate> what are the optimal settings for qemu running winxp?
[10:56] <signature16> How can  I change the default player for AVI files to be VLC media player?
[10:56] <drx> Chad, Drive 1 isnt' mounted
[10:56] <bigcx2> AlexC_: thanks
[10:56] <drx> Chadarius, drive 1 is not mounted
[10:57] <AlexC_> bigcx2: it's supported for 3 years desktop, and 5 years
[10:57] <AlexC_> bigcx2: and 5 yeras server
[10:57] <mindstate> signature16: right click the avi file
[10:57] <bigcx2> edgy?
[10:57] <Chadarius> drx: That's what has Linux on it right?
[10:57] <mindstate> open with vlc
[10:57] <bigcx2> or feisty?
[10:57] <AlexC_> bigcx2: no, Dapper.
[10:57] <bigcx2> oh
[10:57] <AlexC_> bigcx2: Dapper is LTS Release, Supported for 3 years desktop and 5 years Server.
[10:58] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[10:58] <bigcx2> AlexC_: gotcha, thank you
[10:58] <drx> Chadarius, no, it was on drive 2 but when I change the bios so the DVD will boot i think it becomes drive 1 but maybe not
[10:58] <lightseed> AlexC_: i set those but they disappear probably when i reboot
[10:58] <AlexC_> lightseed: "probably" ... why not try it and find it?
[10:58] <drx> Chadarius, the two hard drives are identical so I can't tell which one is actually up
[10:58] <Hopposai> zax http://kb.mozillazine.org/Mail_Utilities
[10:58] <AlexC_> Crescendo_: please wait more than 5 mins before repeating question
[10:59] <darkbane> AlexC_ nano is frozen now
[10:59] <AlexC_> darkbane: how'd you mean?
[10:59] <drx> Chadarius, but when I run Gparted, it shows the Linux partitions as sda now
[10:59] <Chadarius> drx: you should be able to look at the file system from the Live CD and that will tell you whether its the Linux or Vista one
[10:59] <darkbane> AlexC_ it appears that the process is just looping
[10:59] <Crescendo_> AlexC_, I'm using the Freenode standard of wait till it scrolls past the window. :/
[10:59] <drx> Chadarius, it's linux, but it's not mounted
[10:59] <mindstate> what are the optimal settings for qemu running winxp?
[11:00] <darkbane> AlexC_ and it just self killed
[11:00] <hdx> can someone help me please: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5821/
[11:00] <Crescendo_> I'm booting from the install CD, and I'm getting a bunch of buffer I/O errors - brand new HDD - what's up?
[11:00] <AlexC_> !anyone | hdx
[11:00] <ubotu> hdx: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:00] <shatrat> Crescendo, possible bad burn of CD, what speed did you burn at?
[11:00] <Crescendo_> Also - ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit
[11:00] <drx> Chadarius, how do I mount /dev/sda1 so I can edit menulst?
[11:00] <Crescendo_> shatrat, used this CD on another machine, it works fine
[11:00] <main2> i somehow lost the journal of my ext3 partition? > its ext2 now
[11:00] <lightseed> AlexC_: try and find what?
[11:01] <main2> but i dont know how this happend
[11:01] <soundman89> dyrne: used you command,  "mount -o remount,rw/", now what?
[11:01] <Crescendo_> shatrat, also, I've used this CDROM drive to load other things
[11:01] <AlexC_> darkbane: I'm not sure what to suggest then ... smaller files maybe :P hehe - not sure sorry
[11:01] <Hopposai> if i have an amd athlon 32, do i use the k7 kernel?
[11:01] <AlexC_> lightseed: you said it will probably dissapear when you reboot. So why not reboot and find out if it "dissapears"?
[11:01] <main2> can i easily get my journal back?
[11:01] <shatrat> Crescendo, try adding the kernel option "irqpoll" and "pci=noacpi" but thats kind of a longshot
[11:01] <lightseed> AlexC_: its a dhcp connection automatically
[11:01] <erUSUL> !generic | Hopposai
[11:01] <ubotu> Hopposai: Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[11:01] <shatrat> Hopposai, use the -generic kernel
[11:01] <Chadarius> drx: Hey I've just had to join a conference call at work... Hopefully I'll be back in about 15 minutes is that OK?
[11:01] <crzygrndpa> Is there a good commandline email app to test my Postfix configuration? (does Pine work with Postfix?)
[11:01] <lightseed> AlexC_: well i know it does
[11:01] <drx> Chadarius, OK
[11:01] <lightseed> AlexC_: everytime
[11:02] <Hopposai> thanks shatrat
[11:02] <darkbane> AlexC_ would it be possible to do a linear dump of the file into multiple smaller files?
[11:03] <soundman89> dyrne: used your command,  "mount -o remount,rw/", now what?
[11:03] <AlexC_> lightspeed try editing /etc/network/interfaces to make it static instead of DHCP
[11:04] <AlexC_> lightspeed: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_6.06_p3 section 5 Configure The Network may help you
[11:04] <AlexC_> darkbane: I've no idea, never done that before
[11:04] <dyrne> soundman89: you shoud have the / parition mounted read write now. so you can change the root password or anyones. passwd username
[11:04] <lightseed> AlexC_: ok thianks
[11:04] <darkbane> AlexC_ do you know of another way to split the file?
[11:04] <AlexC_> darkbane: no sorry,
[11:04] <dyrne> soundman89: then shutdown -r now  to reboot or just reboot
[11:05] <siodine> Are there drivers for X-Fi?
[11:05] <darkbane> AlexC_ Ok, thanks for all your help anyway.
[11:05] <AlexC_> darkbane: it's ok =)
[11:05] <erUSUL> siodine: no
[11:05] <soundman89> dyrne: do i use the [-p passwdfd]  command in the prompt
[11:05] <siodine> So there's no way for me to get sound in Ubuntu?
[11:06] <dyrne> soundman89: just passwd by itself if changing the root password
[11:06] <dyrne> soundman89: what where you trying to do again?
[11:06] <Potti> anyone here know anything about cedega
[11:06] <AlexC_> siodine: You know, waiting more than 1 minute before moaing that it's impossible to get sound is usualy a good idea.
[11:06] <soundman89> dyrne: thanks you very much
[11:06] <AlexC_> !anyone | Potti
[11:06] <ubotu> Potti: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:06] <ice63> siodine: what is your sound card ?
[11:06] <erUSUL> siodine: most mobos have in board sound HDA or AC97
[11:07] <siodine> ice63, it's an X-Fi XtremeMusic
[11:07] <erUSUL> on board*
[11:07] <siodine> AlexC, how was I moaning?
[11:07] <siodine> It was a question.
[11:07] <Potti> well my question is upon installation i encounter an error "Could not open the file /home/pottie/Desktop/cedega_timedemo_installer using the Unicode (UTF-8) character coding."
[11:07] <AlexC_> siodine: you asked if there were drivers, then 1 minute later said "So there is no way to get sound in Ubuntu?" after waiting 1 minute.
[11:07] <lilbeat> hey guys! i installed for the 3rd time ubuntu this week and for the 3rd time i have a login problem where it does not recognise my pass in GUI mode....i am full of it....any help? thank you
[11:08] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[11:08] <zax1> how can i export thunderbird message to a csv file ?
[11:08] <siodine> No, <erUSUL> siodine: no
[11:08] <AlexC_> lilbeat:sure Capslock is off?
[11:08] <lilbeat> 100%
[11:08] <siodine> My "So there is no way to get sound in Ubuntu?" was directed towards erUSUL after he said no.
[11:08] <AlexC_> siodine: I never saw that, sorry,
[11:08] <Potti> Any idea on how to fix my lil problem guys
[11:09] <siodine> So are there any drivers for an X-Fi XtremeMusic?
[11:09] <Crescendo_> shatrat, nope, no such luck
[11:09] <frying_fish> siodine: no x-fi driver yet, there will eventually be one, but not currently.
[11:09] <siodine> Ok, thanks.
[11:09] <lilbeat> AlexC_: it's more seriuos than capslock :(
[11:10] <signature16> is iTunes easy to install using wine?
[11:10] <shatrat> signature16, there are better ways to get music onto an ipod.  itunes is a pain in the ass on any OS
[11:10] <erUSUL> siodine: as i have said most motherboards have more than adequate sound cards onboard
[11:11] <dyrne> signature16: ive heard of some problems.  you could always use osx in vmware :)
[11:11] <frying_fish> siodine: your motherboard will probably have a soundcard built in that will be adequate.
[11:11] <dyrne> signature16: not a fun experience though
[11:11] <frying_fish> signature16: might just be worth trying some of the default programs that come with ubuntu for it, I would guess rhythmbox will transfer music to it
[11:11] <frying_fish> or amarok
[11:12] <shatrat> Theres also GTKpod
[11:13] <eetfunk> Where's the "correct" place to put .pid files on ubuntu?
[11:13] <Chadarius> drx: Ok I'm back mostly :)
[11:14] <Theos> Could someone help me enable my wireless adapter? I am using Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[11:14] <drx> Chadarius, ok, so I mounted /dev/sda1 and I backed up menu.lst to menu.lst.backup
[11:14] <AlexC_> Ok, gotta go - Bye!
[11:15] <Chadarius> drx: You are the man! Ok so let's edit it.
[11:15] <hbaigu> eetfunk, /var/run
[11:15] <eetfunk> hbaigu: thanks!
[11:16] <bart_> so ... who's stuck with what !? :D
[11:17] <drx> Chadarius, it shows vista root (hd0,0)
[11:17] <thebest> hey
[11:17] <mon^rch> Unable to find an appropriate host video mode.
[11:17] <mon^rch> Adding the guest mode to the 'display' subsection of the 'screen' section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config or /etc/X11/xorg.conf and restarting X is likely to help.
[11:17] <dasickis> hey
[11:17] <mon^rch> any ideas?
[11:17] <Chadarius> drx: OK so when you boot the normal way That is really Linux though right?
[11:17] <doofus> anyone can help me?
[11:17] <dasickis> whats the problem doofus
[11:17] <drx> I'm not sure, dude.
[11:18] <doofus> need to run webfs
[11:18] <drx> it shows Linux root as /dev/sdb1
[11:18] <doofus> but dont know the cmd
[11:18] <doofus> i know it starts with sude
[11:18] <doofus> sudo
[11:18] <spooky> hey all
[11:18] <dasickis> is it /etc/init.d/webfs
[11:18] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[11:18] <dasickis> sudo'd
[11:18] <doofus> yeah
[11:19] <spooky> guyz
[11:19] <doofus> that sound right!
[11:19] <drx> Chadarius, but they may have switched, certainly in Compatible mode Linux is /sda but I don't know what it will be in Enhanced mode when drive 2 is back
[11:19] <spooky> id like some help if you have some free time :)
[11:19] <dasickis> i just remembered that /etc/init.d is where everything is
[11:19] <dasickis> well not everything
[11:19] <elyokko> spooky,  k hay men
[11:19] <spooky> hey :D
[11:19] <spooky> well ive just installed ubuntu
[11:19] <Chadarius> drx: OK so if they are switched than  Vista is hd1,0
[11:19] <spooky> im impressed right Linux is so cool
[11:19] <doofus> das thanx man!
[11:20] <Chadarius> drx: and Linux is hd0,0
[11:20] <dasickis> np
[11:20] <spooky> but i dont know how to connect to the internet
[11:20] <spooky> can anyone help me?
[11:20] <eddie> I need to rip into mp3 because of my player and sound Extractor isn't giving me that option
[11:20] <Thug-N-Me> hi all
[11:20] <eddie> any clues?
[11:20] <dasickis> next time try locate or whereis the program ur running
[11:20] <dasickis> it'll show you the paths to them
[11:20] <Crescendo_> spooky, what kidn of problem are you having?
[11:20] <doofus> sppoky im just learing too man but ubuntu is cool!
[11:20] <doofus> sppoky*
[11:20] <Thug-N-Me> how do i make subtitles in mplayer bigger ?
[11:20] <drx> Chadarius, OK, so I'll swap them and we'll see what happens?
[11:20] <doofus> oops
[11:20] <eddie> why isn't there any type of suppoert for mp3 format?
[11:20] <marsswell> comand ip lan?
[11:20] <doofus> spooky
[11:20] <doofus> lol
[11:20] <dasickis> its really a good os to get your feet wet
[11:20] <spooky> I dont know how to connect to the net
[11:20] <eddie> anyone got a clue?
[11:20] <dasickis> aren't you on the net, spooky?
[11:20] <elyokko> slackware 11 is cool men
[11:20] <spooky> from Win
[11:20] <spooky> :(
[11:21] <bart_> spooky , do you have a router or a modem to connect to the internet ?
[11:21] <spooky> modem
[11:21] <bart_> dsl i presume ?
[11:21] <spooky> usb connected
[11:21] <spooky> yeap
[11:21] <spooky> 2mbit
[11:21] <Chadarius> drx: oh wait Vista was wrong in that last message... its hd1,0
[11:21] <doofus> man connect via enternet
[11:21] <bart_> you want wvdial i think
[11:21] <zax1> how can i export thunderbird message to a csv file ?
[11:21] <Chadarius> drx: but if you swap them then it might work
[11:21] <doofus> i ahd no net probs via ethernet
[11:21] <spooky> wvdial?
[11:21] <Crescendo_> spooky, use a CAT5 cable to connect to your broadband modem
[11:22] <duckdown> Hey all.  I am trying to tail a file but filter out only the things I want to see.. This is the syntax I am trying:  "tail -f /var/log/messages| awk '{print $3,$6,$10,$19,$11,$20}' /var/log/messages |grep DROP"  however, any time a new message appears it just goes back to the prompt.  Can someone correct this for me
[11:22] <Vilhelms> I set the Win key to Super in Keyboard > Layout Options but a key binding with <Super>Button 1 still doesn't work when I press and I left click
[11:22] <Thug-N-Me> no one can tell me how do i make the sub font bigger in mplayer ?
[11:22] <bart_> wvdial - PPP dialer with built-in intelligence
[11:22] <Crescendo_> There's no reason for the USB connection in Linux.
[11:22] <ubuntu> connect xxl
[11:22] <doofus> na he has broadband hehe
[11:22] <doofus> not dial up
[11:22] <eddie> please someone Sound Juicer wigh mp3
[11:22] <spooky> lol
[11:22] <elyokko> alguien habla espaol
[11:22] <Mulder> anyone successfully got radeonfb to work with Xorg ?
[11:22] <spooky> im confused
[11:22] <LjL> !es | elyokko
[11:22] <ubotu> elyokko: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:22] <doofus> dude use a ethernet cable
[11:22] <Crescendo_> spooky, you're on cable?
[11:22] <doofus> not usb!
[11:22] <drx> Chadarius, swap them in the BIOS or change every instance of (0,0) to (1,0) and vice versa?
[11:23] <bart_> DSL uses dial up
[11:23] <elyokko> tanks
[11:23] <doofus> if your modem is in bridge mode yes
[11:23] <spooky> sry but i couldnt understand...
[11:23] <Thug-N-Me> starting the terminal and all other application in ubuntu its a pain ... waiting too long for them to start
[11:23] <spooky> (my crappy english :( )
[11:23] <doofus> spooky: where u live?
[11:23] <spooky> Greece
[11:23] <doofus> oh ok
[11:24] <Thug-N-Me> this is ridiculous
[11:24] <whileimhere> Is there a channel where I might get help on converting video formats?
[11:24] <doofus> do u have an electronics store?
[11:24] <hbaigu> Thug-N-Me, the mplayer man page tell me that there are -subfont-text-scale, -subfont-autoscale options
[11:24] <posingaspopular> Chadarius: was are you working on
[11:24] <spooky> sure
[11:24] <spooky> lol
[11:24] <dasickis> is there a way to get the icons of screenshots of the move in ubuntu?
[11:24] <LjL> spooky: why not join #ubuntu-gr as well
[11:24] <spooky> of course we have
[11:24] <dasickis> like in vista
[11:24] <spooky> ive joined
[11:24] <dasickis> jw, i just saw it on my friend's comp and it look nice
[11:24] <spooky> but nobody is talking
[11:24] <Chadarius> drx: Its fine either way. Bios is probably easiest as long as they match up
[11:24] <spooky> is like a dead channel
[11:24] <drx> Chadarius, OK, let's try that first...
[11:24] <Thug-N-Me> hbaigu man page doesnt says anything .. at least i cannot hear something :)
[11:24] <Chadarius> posingaspopular: Hey man... just some fun bios drive order and grub goodness
[11:24] <LjL> spooky: well, yes, not too many people there. sorry, didn't see you in the list
[11:25] <dasickis> so spooky you have trouble trying to connect at high speeds with ur dsl modem?
[11:25] <posingaspopular> awesome
[11:25] <mips> how can i check what dns servers my pc are using ?
[11:25] <spooky> yeap
[11:25] <spooky> i dont know where to start
[11:25] <spooky> LOL
[11:25] <bart_> mips , cat /etc/resolv.conf
[11:25] <spooky> i go system-administrator-networks
[11:25] <Sebulian> #!mp4
[11:25] <spooky> then what?
[11:25] <spooky> :P
[11:25] <Chadarius> posingaspopular: BIOS's these days... you mess with them and grub bites you back!
[11:25] <dasickis> i'm googling ubuntu dsl modem
[11:25] <dasickis> thats the first place i go
[11:26] <IdleOne> !dsl | dasickis
[11:26] <ubotu> dasickis: Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[11:26] <posingaspopular> haha yea
[11:26] <ddnngg> any1 can help me to update my kernel on 6.06 :> ??
[11:26] <mips> bart_ no I don't want to cat the resolv.conf file which is static. Is there any other way ?
[11:26] <Chadarius> drx also got bitten by Vista... which took over for grub. :)
[11:26] <esaym> do  you have to be root in order to stop and start programs in init.d?
[11:26] <posingaspopular> direct X?
[11:26] <bart_> test
[11:27] <Chadarius> esaym: yep
[11:27] <Vilhelms> I set the Win key to Super in Keyboard > Layout Options but a key binding with <Super>Button 1 still doesn't work when I press and I left click
[11:27] <dasickis> spooky: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[11:27] <bart_> test
[11:27] <LjL> bart_: passed
[11:27] <dasickis> sorr
 who ??
[11:27] <bart_> hehe
[11:27] <Chadarius> esaym: You can use sudo to restart services ect...
[11:27] <dasickis> spooky: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Broadband_ADSL.2FPPPoE_Client_.28RP-PPPoE.29
[11:27] <esaym> ok so if a program is in init.d how do i start it to run as a certain user?
[11:27] <Indref> This may sound a little random, but I wanna play SimCity!
[11:27] <dasickis> thats the exact section
[11:27] <Indref> Could someone help me install it.
[11:27] <LjL> !lincity-ng | indref
[11:27] <esaym> I need a daemon to start as a user and not root...
[11:27] <spooky> im checking the links now
[11:27] <spooky> thx
[11:27] <ubotu> indref: lincity-ng: City simulator game with polished graphics. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.3-1 (edgy), package size 322 kB, installed size 844 kB
[11:27] <Indref> Woo!
[11:28] <Indref> LjL, Love you!
[11:28] <Indref> Woah it's tiny.
[11:28] <esaym> oh so sudo /etc/init.d/service would stat the service under the current user???
[11:28] <LjL> Indref: it's not *very* much like simcity, mind you, it's different enough
[11:28] <Indref> Is that based on Simcity 200 or the orginial.
[11:28] <drx> Chadarius, I don't think it overwrote GRUB, I think it installed the Vista MBR on the Vista drive and left GRUB on the Linux drive
[11:28] <Indref> 2000 that is.
[11:29] <thesmiler> where can i find out what mount points are valid?
[11:29] <Chadarius> esaym: yeah sudo/etc/init.d/apache2 start would start apache
[11:29] <drx> Chadarius, that didn't work, Linux yields "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition"
[11:29] <drx> Vista says "Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format"
[11:29] <Indref> apt get lincity?
[11:29] <esaym> Thank you Chadarius
[11:29] <thesmiler> anyone?
[11:29] <thesmiler> valid mount points?
[11:29] <LjL> Indref: it's based on neither, it's its own city simulator. it shows in an isometric view like 2000 and unlike the original, anyway
[11:29] <IdleOne> apt-get install lincity-ng
[11:29] <LjL> Indref: sudo apt-get install lincity-ng
[11:30] <Indref> LjL, Gonna try it Thank You! :D
[11:31] <thesmiler> guys, i have a 260gb file partition that i can't mount
[11:31] <krimx> What would be the best way to change filenames of a big amount of folders and files all at once? I switched from Windows not too long ago and it seems it's better to have filenames as "yundi_li_-_2003_-_liszt" than "Yundi Li - 2003 - Liszt". Also, how about () and []  are those okay?
[11:31] <thesmiler> what mount points can I use that are valid?
[11:31] <drx> Chadarius, should i try it the other way?
[11:31] <lilbeat> hey guys! i installed for the 3rd time ubuntu this week and for the 3rd time i have a login problem where it does not recognise my pass in GUI mode....i am full of it....any help? thank you
[11:31] <bruenig> thesmiler, wherever you want to mount it. Just make sure it is an empty directory
[11:31] <Indref> Just quickly, I use OpenBox so I don't have a menu option for shutting down my machine
[11:32] <thesmiler> so i need to make a directory in /mnt?
[11:32] <Indref> You guys said to use shutdown -h now, which does work
[11:32] <bruenig> thesmiler, it can be anywhere
[11:32] <bruenig> thesmiler, /mnt works
[11:32] <LjL> Indref: you can also use "halt"
[11:32] <thesmiler> okay
[11:32] <Indref> But it seems to shutdown halfway through the shutdown procedure, what gives.
[11:32] <dasickis> hey is there a way for application specific audio settings in ALSA?
[11:32] <whileimhere>  This might not be the right room for this question but its my only hope Obi Wan, Is there a way to easily convert video files from one format to another? I would prefer a GUI interface but if anyone has a suggestion I would love to hear it.
[11:32] <gavintlgold> whoa, did someone ask about mounting an HD just now?
[11:32] <thesmiler> i'd rather keep it organised :D
[11:32] <ChTib> whats the command to extract a .rar please ?
[11:32] <dasickis> I Know there's a program for OSS but just wondering
[11:32] <LjL> Indref: hm?
[11:32] <thesmiler> thanks for that though
[11:32] <gavintlgold> because that's what i wanted to ask
[11:32] <Chadarius> drx: hold on one sec
[11:32] <dasickis> whileimhere: from what to waht?
[11:33] <dasickis> or just a generic video conversion?
[11:33] <drx> Chadarius, K
[11:33] <doofus> are there any other games for ubuntu like Enemy Territory?
[11:33] <ChTib> how to extract a .rar please ?
[11:33] <LjL> !rar > ChTib    (ChTib, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:33] <bruenig> ChTib, unrar e whatever
[11:33] <dasickis> rar e <your_rar_file>
[11:33] <Indref> LjL, shutdown -h now seems weird, I see the linux stuff about closing down all the services, but the machine dies before it's finished.
[11:33] <whileimhere> from mpeg1 to mpeg2 so that I can watch these clips on a regular DVD player
[11:33] <dasickis> do man rar
[11:33] <dasickis> for more info
[11:33] <bruenig> unrar*
[11:33] <ChTib> thanks
[11:33] <lilbeat> chtib: unrar [filename]
[11:33] <dasickis> brb real quick
[11:33] <LjL> Indref: that definitely shouldn't happen...
[11:33] <LjL> Indref: check your logs
[11:34] <nofeardjb> !mp3 > nofeardjb
[11:34] <Indref> LjL, If I exit openbox, and then shutdown using the login screen, it takes a minute from the login screen.
[11:34] <gavintlgold> ok, how do I mount a hard drive so that it appears in the "computer" folder?
[11:34] <Indref> LjL, shutdown command takes ten seconds.
[11:34] <Hopposai> quick question.. how do i find out which kernel my nvidia drivers were compiled for?
[11:34] <iratik>  Can't access the ftp server (proftpd)- if i'm on the server i can type ftp localhost and everything turns out right.. if i type the LAN ip - everything turns out right ... if i type in the domain that resolves to this lan ip as the DMZ - i can't connect - what could be wrong ??
[11:34] <Hopposai> i've been trying tinstall the restricted drivers, and i seem to be screwing it up
[11:34] <LjL> Indref: well all i can say is - check your logs. i can have no clue unless i know where the shutdown is aborting
[11:35] <Indref> LjL, How do I check my logs.
[11:35] <posingaspopular> Indref: doesn't sudo shutdown now -0 work? im under the impression that you cant tell ubuntu how long to wait before it shuts down
[11:35] <LjL> Indref: check /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log and their friends
[11:35] <lilbeat> why doesn't it recognise my pass?
[11:35] <Indref> LjL, Wow, that seems like a lot of reading o0
[11:35] <LjL> Indref: KDE and GNOME come with a graphical log viewer, i don't know about OpenBox. you can always just use a text editor
[11:35] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: you have to mount it under /media and alsu have it in the /etc/fstab
[11:35] <jrib> lilbeat: what prompt?
[11:35] <gavintlgold> so the command would be....?
[11:35] <Indref> LjL, Well I can always login with gnome for that if I need to.
[11:36] <LjL> Indref, well, it is, but if you know the exact time when you shut down the machine, you can look for log messages that appeared at that time, instead of just hunting around
[11:36] <Indref> LjL, Gotta go, thanks for the help!
[11:36] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: is the partition/mount point listed in /etc/fstab? iirc if its nt there it won't show up in computer.
[11:36] <lilbeat> jrib: nothing. i try login in GUI and it says again "login"
[11:37] <jrib> lilbeat: at gdm you mean?
[11:37] <self> OK, that's saddist.
[11:37] <self> For a few month's down
[11:37] <self> I come to #ubuntu
[11:37] <self> And I get redirected to ##ubuntu
[11:37] <self> Today
[11:37] <jrib> !enter | self
[11:37] <ubotu> self: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:37] <gavintlgold> hopposai: no it isn't
[11:37] <self> I connect to ##ubuntu, and I got to #ubuntu.
[11:37] <Crescendo_> spooky, you're on cable?
[11:37] <self> jrib: Sorry, nasty habbit to break ;)
[11:37] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[11:37] <lilbeat> jrib: i mean login using GNOME
[11:38] <LjL> self, ##ubuntu forwards to #ubuntu
[11:38] <Crescendo_> (Sorry spooky )
[11:38] <jrib> lilbeat: can you login regularly at ctrl-alt-f1?
[11:38] <self> Oh, almost forgot my question! :)
[11:38] <iratik> wow -- i've been in here 4 times today - and nadda response from noone
[11:38] <lilbeat> yup
[11:38] <posingaspopular> iratik: whats the issue?
[11:38] <jrib> !ask | iratik
[11:38] <ubotu> iratik: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:38] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: for starters create a directory on /media and see if you can mount it there $ mount /dev/hda1 /media/drive
[11:38] <philc_> does anyone know if the icons from the human theme are licensed as such where I could use a few of them on a website of mine?
[11:38] <self> I have an intergrated graphics card, can I still add a descret graphics card?
[11:38] <lilbeat> jrib:but cannot startx from there
[11:38] <iratik>  Can't access the ftp server (proftpd)- if i'm on the server i can type ftp localhost and everything turns out right.. if i type the LAN ip - everything turns out right ... if i type in the domain that resolves to this lan ip as the DMZ - i can't connect - what could be wrong ??
[11:38] <jrib> lilbeat: errors?
[11:38] <doofus> hey how can i make xchat default to this server/channel?
[11:39] <self> Will the descret card "disable" the intergrated componet, or will they fight to the death?
[11:39] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: then see if you can see that in computer (you may have to refresh)
[11:39] <lilbeat> jrib: nothing
[11:39] <linxeh> http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consult/open-consultations/ondemand_services.html
[11:39] <jrib> lilbeat: have you tried to replicate the issue with a brand new account?
[11:39] <doofus> hey how can i make xchat default to this server/channel?
[11:39] <jrib> !repeat | doofus
[11:39] <ubotu> doofus: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[11:39] <pipepool> hi all, could anyone help me with a pcmcia isdn card?
[11:39] <lilbeat> jrib: i type user and pass, it seems like it's gonna work and then it propts again login screen
[11:40] <posingaspopular> hmmm i dont know all too much about internet connection
[11:40] <Potti> how can i findout the exact hardware in my computer
[11:40] <gavintlgold> Hopposai: ok, i used hdb1 instead because that's what my hd is
[11:40] <jrib> Potti: lshw  may help
[11:40] <gavintlgold> no errors
[11:40] <lilbeat> jrib: i didn't
[11:40] <jrib> lilbeat: give that a try
[11:40] <frogzoo> Potti: lspci + lshw
[11:41] <frogzoo> Potti: or take a look at the hardware
[11:41] <HP_Vue> What else is there besides gnome and KDE>
[11:41] <gavintlgold> Hopposai: I can't see it in computer, but i can if I go to /media/<my drive name>
[11:41] <posingaspopular> xfce
[11:41] <HP_Vue> oh
[11:42] <jrib> HP_Vue: fluxbox, blackbox, openbox, xfce, ratpoison, fvwm, ion, ...  basically 'apt-cache search window manager'
[11:42] <meredydd> Hey there - is anyone familiar with the LiveCD, and its install-to-disk functionality?
[11:42] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: in that case you have to edit the /etc/fstab
[11:42] <Potti> thanks alot guys
[11:42] <jrib> !anyone | meredydd
[11:42] <ubotu> meredydd: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:42] <gavintlgold> Hopposai: ok, so can you give me an idea how to?
[11:42] <posingaspopular> meredydd: whats the issue
[11:43] <gavintlgold> irc is cool.... this is my first time
[11:43] <meredydd> Specifically, I'd like to point it at a loopback image on a FAT32 filesystem
[11:43] <Johnnybravo> ok nm i found it how to do what i need :)
[11:43] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: t what is is your distro/version?
[11:43] <Johnnybravo> thanks for the help pplz
[11:43] <gavintlgold> edgy eft AMD64
[11:43] <meredydd> I can handle diddling loadlin and the initrd to do the loopback mount on boot - what I need is
[11:43] <Chadarius> drx: Ok sorry about that... work got busy all of a sudden at the end of the day
[11:43] <posingaspopular> does ubuntu have a program that can help me do limits
[11:44] <meredydd> a) a liveCD so I can have a working system to install from
[11:44] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: k/x/n/ubuntu?
[11:44] <jrib> posingaspopular: limits of what?
[11:44] <wkdown> RFID firmly implanted in my nethers, DNA mapping complete, I can finally ask questions about Ubuntu lol
[11:44] <gavintlgold> Hopposai: Oh sorry, Ubuntu
[11:44] <bruenig> limits as in calculus?
[11:44] <meredydd> b) A rootfs-in-a-can I can just dump into such an image
[11:44] <drx> Chadarius, I'm in LINUX!!!!! Just have to try Vista now!
[11:44] <shatrat> What would be the easiest way to remind myself to watch anthony bourdain every monday at 9?  I was wondering if there is something slicker than just adding a cron job that pops up a browser window to his website.
[11:44] <meredydd> (or, alternatively, a from-CD installer I can just point at the mountpoint)
[11:45] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: ok a few minutes please?
[11:45] <posingaspopular> (calculus) uh the epsilon-delta defintion, graphically. as x approcaches c.... etc
[11:45] <gavintlgold> Hopposai: sure
[11:45] <wkdown> ok, so I am trying to upgrade Firefox to 2.0 ... what do I do with the tarball so I don't lose my extensions I have with v1.5??
[11:45] <bruenig> shatrat, record a track of you yelling to watch the show and then set a cronjob to launch that track
[11:45] <Chadarius> drx: Awesome! what did you change?
[11:45] <Potti> im soo lost.. i install xp and i cant get online but i install ubuntu i can what gives
[11:45] <whonicca> how do u get that circle to scroll through firefox by clicking the middle wheel on the mouse like on windows
[11:45] <bruenig> wkdown, the extensions are in the config directory. So it doesn't really matter what you do with the tarball, the config directory isn't touched
[11:45] <shatrat> bruenig, my family and friends already think im crazy for yelling at machines, if they start yelling back Ill be committed
[11:45] <drx> Chadarius, and now I'm booting Vista!  YEAH DUDE YOU ROCK!
[11:46] <Chadarius> drx: Sucks you did most of the work man. I'm just taking shots in the dark to help you :)
[11:46] <drx> Chadarius, Changing the boot drive order didn't work.
[11:46] <Chadarius> drx: Shucks that is
[11:46] <jrib> posingaspopular: does it have to be free software?
[11:46] <david_> blackbox problem fixed in stalled flux bux no problems now
[11:46] <wkdown> ok
[11:46] <posingaspopular> Chadarius: ! chadrius! tsk tsk, i thought you knew better than to help the devil
[11:46] <drx> Chadarius, switching (0,0) and (1,0) in boot.mnu DID work (when I put the drive order back)
[11:46] <gavintlgold> whonnica: you have to go to preferences>advanced>autoscrolling and turn that on
[11:47] <posingaspopular> jrib: free.... beer yes
[11:47] <david_> thank again for the help
[11:47] <wkdown> one other question;  I got one of the five button mouses where you can click to go forward or back in a browser .. is it compatable in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <gavintlgold> whonnicca: sorry, misspelled name
[11:47] <Chadarius> drx: nice! I'm glad you are up and running again my friend.
[11:47] <elias__> hello
[11:48] <elias__> I justed install ubuntu
[11:48] <drx> Chadarius, I don't think I would have gotten that (0,0) (1,0) swap without your help.
[11:48] <elias__> It didn't asked me for a password
[11:48] <bruenig> good for you
[11:48] <hairulfr> elias__: Hello
[11:48] <Chadarius> elias__: Hi that is great! How can we help?
[11:48] <elias__> (root password)
[11:48] <bruenig> !root | elias__
[11:48] <ubotu> elias__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:48] <elias__> why it did that?
[11:48] <posingaspopular> it didn't ask in the installer?
[11:48] <jrib> posingaspopular: any calculator can do limits really, just put a number really close to the value that the variable is approaching, for example x->0, compute f(.0000000001)
[11:48] <whonicca> gavintlgold, which preferences
[11:48] <posingaspopular> you can set it
[11:48] <gavintlgold> whonicca: Firefox Preferences>Advanced>General>Browsing>use Autoscrolling
[11:48] <whonicca> and thanks for responding
[11:48] <posingaspopular> jrib: i dont have a calculator....
[11:48] <whonicca> oh ok
[11:49] <jrib> posingaspopular: there are many in the repositories
[11:49] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Hard_Drive
[11:49] <gavintlgold> whonicca: under edit>preferences
[11:49] <gavintlgold> Hopposai: ok, thanks, I'll check it out
[11:49] <drx> Chadarius, how do I make Vista my default boot choice?
[11:49] <posingaspopular> does the edubuntu kcalc have limits ability
[11:49] <Chadarius> drx: Now why would you want to do that? :)
[11:49] <whonicca> thankyou
[11:49] <elias__> I'll read that
[11:49] <bruenig> posingaspopular, you should see if google will do it
[11:49] <Chadarius> drx: LOL
[11:49] <iratik> spooky spook
[11:49] <elias__> and come back if I have any problems
[11:49] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: its not too well written, but i'm on xubuntu and i have no idea what the ubuntu hdd manager is
[11:50] <Potti> idk waht linux has preinsatlef that my 2 windows iso dont that allow me to get online on xp not to
[11:50] <posingaspopular> bruenig: googe does everything, i'll try that. thanks room
[11:50] <elias__> ubuntu r0cks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:50] <Potti> = (
[11:50] <jrib> posingaspopular: yes, if you use the procedure I described.  I know maple can compute limits algebraically, but it's not free
[11:50] <drx> Chadarius, I don't, but the boss prefers Windows.
[11:50] <iratik> i'm so pissed off!!!!!!!  - (j/k -- long day)
[11:50] <bruenig> exclamation point overload
[11:50] <gavintlgold> hopposai: well, i'll try it out.... thanks anyway
[11:50] <gavintlgold> hopposai: is it red even if I don't capitalize your name?
[11:50] <iratik> very very long day
[11:50] <Slart> eh.. why is Banshee using 28% of my cpu for playing a mp3?
[11:51] <jrib> posingaspopular: apparently 'maxima' can do limits as well
[11:51] <Chadarius> drx: You can probably just change the order in Grub so that the Windows boot section is first. I'm sure there is a better way to do it... perhaps we should check http://ubuntuforums.org or http://wiki.ubuntu.com?
[11:51] <Slart> I'm not running a 486 any more... shesh
[11:51] <Chadarius> elias__: Amen brother!
[11:51] <jrib> posingaspopular:  http://maxima.sourceforge.net/docs/manual/en/maxima_18.html
[11:52] <posingaspopular> sudo apt-get install maxima?
[11:52] <dyrne> Slart: applications these days are 95% eye candy 5% functionality
[11:52] <bruenig> posingaspopular, that should work
[11:52] <youkilldkennedy> So I just installed WINE with the Synaptic Package Manager. How do I use it? I'm pretty confused about this part?
[11:52] <jrib> posingaspopular: yep
[11:52] <axa-axa> Hi. When my ubuntu needs to start screensaver (after specified time in xscreensaver), screen goes blank instead!? Does anyone know what is the problem?
[11:52] <gavintlgold> youkilldkennedy: type wine and then the exe file of a windows program
[11:52] <frogzoo> youkilldkennedy: wine windowsapp.exe
[11:52] <bruenig> youkilldkennedy, do wine whatever.exe
[11:52] <Crescendo_> !bicyclerepair
[11:52] <ubotu> bicyclerepair: A refactoring tool for python. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9-4.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 108 kB, installed size 752 kB
[11:52] <Slart> dyrne: yes.. but it's not as if Banshee is very pretty.. not 30% cpu pretty =)
[11:52] <Crescendo_> From a fresh install, I'm connecting to some servers (places>>connect to server) and when I open the resulting shortcut on the desktop, it just hangs there "connecting to server" - WTF?
[11:53] <Enphenitiie> Hay Ubuntu.  I'm trying to install now, and it gets to like the desktop, with the intall icon, but there are artifacts everywhere.
[11:53] <youkilldkennedy> frogzoo, bruenig: That simple? Awesome. Thanks for your help.
[11:53] <elias__> guys
[11:53] <Enphenitiie> install, even
[11:53] <pakal> i have problems installing ubuntu 6.10 on a  hp/compaq DC 5700,
[11:53] <elias__> this documentation describes info if you have a sudo
[11:53] <elias__> the installation didn't ask me for one
[11:53] <elias__> (and I really don;t know why it did that)
[11:54] <bruenig> Enphenitiie, and this affects your ability to double click the install icon...
[11:54] <Enphenitiie> I clicked on it
[11:54] <pakal> anyone have installed ubuntu on this machine?
[11:54] <Potti> whats os is abit more windows friendly ? besides windows it self
[11:54] <Slart> any recommendations for a good mp3 software player?
[11:54] <Enphenitiie> But then the artifacts got worse, and it froze.
[11:54] <frogzoo> youkilldkennedy: you'd do better using wine 0.9.30 using the budgetdedicated repos
[11:54] <Slart> !mp3
[11:54] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:54] <bruenig> !alternate | Enphenitiie
[11:54] <ubotu> Enphenitiie: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD.
[11:54] <posingaspopular> elias__: see if anyone can help you you or iw ill after this reboot
[11:54] <youkilldkennedy> Frogzoo: I'm not sure I know what you mean?
[11:54] <frogzoo> Slart: either amarok for full featured, or audacious for cheap & fasty
[11:54] <Enphenitiie> Got a link to that, Bruenig? :D:D
[11:55] <frogzoo> !wine | youkilldkennedy | read the docs, enable the repo
[11:55] <ubotu> youkilldkennedy | read the docs, enable the repo: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[11:55] <patrick_> hi i just online upgraded to edgy and now i get this error whenever i try to run the package manager....E: Malformed line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dapper-multiverse.list (dist parse)
[11:55] <patrick_> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:55] <patrick_> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[11:55] <drx> Chadarius, hey, can you do an in-place upgrade of 32-bit ubuntu to 64-bit?
[11:55] <bruenig> elias__, any command that requires root priveleges, you just put "sudo" in front of it, and then when it asks you for the password you just put your user's password
[11:55] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: yes it is..
[11:55] <axa-axa> Anyone?
[11:55] <bruenig> Enphenitiie, ubuntu.com
[11:55] <patrick_> what can i do?
[11:55] <elias__> aha
[11:55] <Slart> frogzoo: until the amarok people learn to use threads I'm keeping away from it.. I don't want to wait for it to search my playlist before I can press the stop button =)
[11:55] <Enphenitiie> Gonna make me dig, eh?
[11:55] <elias__> let me try
[11:55] <hairulfr> Hey, what's the app that can draw/animate your desktop bakground?
[11:55] <frogzoo> Slart: now now
[11:55] <Slart> frogzoo: I'll give audacious a try
[11:55] <Slart> thanks =)
[11:56] <frogzoo> !audacious | Slart
[11:56] <ubotu> Slart: A !repository for the Audacious audio player now exists: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[11:56] <gavintlgold> hopposai: ok, good, less work with the shift key
[11:56] <Chadarius> drx: Hey man... you can just edit the menu.lst and set the default setting to 1 and that will probably set Windows as the default
[11:56] <gavintlgold> ;)
[11:56] <posingaspopular> maybe you need to set your password?
[11:56] <posingaspopular> su passwd
[11:56] <elias__> bruening you are the man dude!
[11:56] <axa-axa> Can someone please tell me my screen goes black when it should start screensaver?
[11:56] <drx> Chadarius, you mean move Windows from the bottom of the menu.lst to the top where Linux is now?
[11:56] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: got synaptic?
[11:56] <elias__> :-)
[11:56] <gavintlgold> hopposai: yeah
[11:57] <cheeseboy16> how many ports are there?
[11:57] <Chadarius> drx: if Ubuntu is the first section and windows is the second section then there is a command called "default" that you can use to set it to 1.
[11:57] <Enphenitiie> Can someone tell me where I put my Ubuntu 6.10 CD Please?
[11:57] <patrick_> anyone?
[11:57] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: try installin pysdm and using it, apparently gnome doesn't have a disk manager gui, and this is the best they have atm
[11:57] <Enphenitiie> It's on my floor! :O
[11:57] <Chadarius> drx: that will boot to the 2nd boot section in menu.lst
[11:57] <lee___> i'm doing a fresh installation of ubuntu and want the canned LAMP stuff that's all rolled into the server version but i also want the LiveCD and GUI on the desktop version. does anyone know if you can install the desktop version (so i have the liveCD and the GUI ) but then can install a canned apache/mysql/php something or other on top of the desktop?
[11:57] <Chadarius> drx: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=359527&page=2&highlight=grub+vista+default+boot
[11:57] <gavintlgold> hopposai: installing now...
[11:57] <drx> Chadarius, so I leave it where it is but move a parameter called default from the Linux choice to the Windows choice?
[11:57] <bruenig> patrick_, pastebin the output of the following command "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:58] <Chadarius> drx: yep
[11:58] <Thor4> slt tout le monde
[11:58] <bruenig> !patebin  | patrick_
[11:58] <elias__> bruering: so there isn't the old thing where you put another pass for a root and another for a user?
[11:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:58] <bruenig> !pastebin  | patrick_
[11:58] <ubotu> patrick_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:58] <cheeseboy16> anyonwe kno?
[11:58] <elias__> I am the root now with the user name
[11:58] <elias__> I entered
[11:58] <bruenig> elias__, not by default, there isn't
[11:58] <elias__> on installation
[11:58] <elias__> aha
[11:58] <bruenig> elias__, there is no root account, just sudo with user password
[11:58] <patrick_> ok thanks i will bruenig
[11:58] <elias__> that's cool
[11:58] <Chadarius> drx: the default parameter is usually set towards the beginning of the menu.lst file so it should be easy to find
[11:58] <cheeseboy16> how many ports are there?
[11:59] <gavintlgold> hopposai: ok... well idk what to do with it...
[11:59] <elias__> btw any user now can install programs?
[11:59] <bruenig> 65535
[11:59] <elias__> I mean if i create a user Bruering
[11:59] <elias__> with a pass
[11:59] <elias__> could he install programs?
[11:59] <drx> Chadarius, I'll check it out, thanks again for all your help -- dude, I so wasted over 1/2 a day Monday on this stupid thing!
[12:00] <bruenig> elias__, I think you can, I only have one user so I never have had to deal with that
[12:00] <elias__> ok
[12:00] <elias__> and now
[12:00] <Chadarius> drx: Yeah it can be frustrating sometimes, but Ubuntu is so worth it!
[12:00] <Roey> hello
[12:00] <aoirthoir> i am back
[12:00] <gavintlgold> hopposai: everything is grayed out and there don't seem to be any options...
[12:00] <patrick_>  bruenig: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5838/
[12:00] <elias__> tell me please what should I type to install amsn
[12:00] <elias__> I am as root
[12:00] <aoirthoir> just ate some stove top stuffing with canned gravy.
[12:00] <elias__> apt-get install amsn?
[12:00] <Hopposai> gavintlgold: its pretty simple.. you have to run it as sudo, pick the partition you want to mount and then it will ask you to configure it
[12:01] <Roey> I'm on Feisty Fawn; I'm having difficulty getting connect to the wifi network with this dwl-ag650 d-link pcmcia card.  Can anyone help?   I can see networks out there with Kismet


[05:16] <craigbass76> Is there a way to scroll through the contents of a window without that window coming to the foreground?
[05:17] <Unit193> Pretty sure you can change focus rules to only when clicked.
[05:17] <craigbass76> Aha... Thanks
[05:18] <craigbass76> That was numb...
[05:18] <Unit193> "Raise on Click"
[07:08] <jozefk> how do I run a command automatically, every time system goes off? reboot, shutdown
[07:25] <baizon> jozefk: http://askubuntu.com/questions/416299/execute-command-before-shutdown-reboot
[07:26] <baizon> jozefk: sorry that was for an VM, here you have it for a "normal" system: http://askubuntu.com/questions/293312/execute-a-script-upon-logout-reboot-shutdown-in-ubuntu
[07:48] <jozefk> thank you baizon I saw those kind of things but I have to create a script like this for example: https://gist.github.com/ymc-geha/8416723
[07:48] <jozefk> which I don't know how to create and no idea about what I have to place in that header INFO thing
[07:49] <jozefk> I could try to just include one line of code and exit 0 in the end etc. Maybe I will try that :)
[07:52] <jozefk> I am lost in space even with this example: http://www.virtualhelp.me/linux/805-run-a-script-at-shutdown
[07:52] <jozefk> do case things. I just one to run one simple line of code
[09:09] <jozefk> I placed this file: http://pastie.org/9938869 in /etc/init.d/ and created the links with update-rc.d but nothing happens on reboot. Why?
[09:10] <jozefk> I placed this file: http://pastie.org/9938869 in /etc/init.d/ and created the links with update-rc.d but nothing happens on reboot. Why?
[09:31] <swiezapietrucha> hello :)
[09:32] <knome> hello
[10:34] <badak> hello can i run faster xubuntu on my acer ao 722?
[10:34] <cfhowlett> badak, did you install xubuntu?
[10:35] <badak> i'm install lubuntu... is no fast than windows
[10:35] <knome> xubuntu is most likely not going to be faster than lubuntu
[10:35] <badak> its slow, if im opening mozila
[10:36] <cfhowlett> badak, ubuntu in not magic.  lubuntu is the lightest OS in the family.  if it's still too slow for you, buy more ram or get a better computer.
[10:36] <badak> ram on my acer ao722 is 2gb, but proc amd is 1ghz :3
[10:38] <cfhowlett> badak, so it's an old, slow machine.  what, you thought lubuntu would make it something it's not?
[10:40] <badak> so my proc amd c60 is slow =)) ok i think lubuntu make it fast than windows... hehehe
[11:02] <xubuntu46w> speaks russian somebody?
[11:02] <badak> wew indonesian please =))
[11:03] <badak> russian pro hacker @,@
[11:04] <ochosi> !ru | xubuntu46w
[11:06] <xubuntu46w> ubottu, thanx
[11:06] <xubuntu46w> )))
[11:07] <badak> =)) ubottu bot
[12:02] <xubuntu181> Hi all ... xubu 14.10 from here http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate ... but when i download get 14.04 ... why?
[12:09] <cfhowlett> xubuntu181, cold be that ubuntu-it made an error.  more likely you downloaded 14.04
[14:21] <praet> Hi, is it possible to browse a windows share in a terminal? For example, open smb://server/share in Thunar then Open in Terminal
[14:21] <praet> I cant seem to find where (if?) Thunar mounts the remote directory
[14:22] <GridCube> i think its only possible if the samba share is mounted by fstab
[14:22] <praet> so thunar is doing it natively?
[14:23] <GridCube> i would guess its using a service of somekind
[14:23] <GridCube> if my memory wors its gvfs probably or something like that
[14:23] <GridCube> !samba
[14:24] <GridCube> !info gvfs
[14:31] <praet> GridCube: Thanks for the heads up, found the mount here: /run/user/1000/gvfs/smb-share:server=servername,share=sharename/
[14:31] <praet> there should be a Custom action that can run in a remote dir
[14:35] <GridCube> excellent
[14:36] <GridCube> my memory is not that bad then :D
[15:54] <xubuntu55w> badly need help
[15:55] <Azelphur> !help | xubuntu55w
[15:56] <xubuntu55w> I have installed xubuntu 14.04 on my Samsung ativ and I have windows 8. each time I attempt to log in it tells me incorrect password. I have changed the root password no less than 15 times. I Uninstalled it and reinstalled xubuntu completely. the problem persists. what do I do? It still does not recognize my password
[15:59] <knome> xubuntu55w, you shouldn't have a root password.
[16:06] <Luyin> xubuntu55w: why are you mingling with the root password? why don't you log in as the normal user?
[16:09] <xubuntu55w> I'm using the root password because the normal login is not working. the resources state if the normal login password is not working then to change it from the root drop down after using recovery mode
[16:09] <xubuntu55w> so what is the resolution?
[16:10] <knome> xubuntu55w, which resources state that?
[16:19] <xubuntu55w> it would be helpful to get a solution instead if criticism. I'm a first time Linux user. pardon my vast sums of ignorance. is there a solution to this?
[16:21] <bazhang> xubuntu55w, please show us the 'resources' you refer to; sudo -i for a root shell, never enable the root account itself
[16:24] <brainwash> !password
[16:25] <Unit193> !pwreset
[16:59] <xubuntu00w> My applications on the top panel are appearing in duplicate. Can you pls tell e how to correct this
[21:11] <user123> my sound is working in all programs except skype
[21:11] <user123> mic shows fine in the mixer but no sound in skype
[21:11] <user123> anyone had this problem on laptop?
[21:16] <ochosi> user123: skype manages the sound itself by default i think
[21:16] <ochosi> you can look in the skype settings
[21:16] <ochosi> and you can try the testing call
[21:17] <user123> ochosi, got the package from skype.com and reinstalled, now working ;D
[21:21] <xubuntu52w> hello
[23:02] <xubuntu54w> my login password does not work on xubuntu 14.04. how can I reset or just bypass the password. I am first time Linux user