[01:35] <Tumlee> Where does gnome-screenshot save all of its screenshots? I keep activating it accidentally.
[01:36] <Tumlee> gnome-screenshot --help didn't reveal any useful information to me and neither did a google search
[01:39] <Tumlee> Nevermind, I found them.
[02:13] <jaysonr> is anyone else running 3.8 from the PPA getting crashes at logon?
[02:13] <jaysonr> sometimes it'll not crash, but my "X" on my close button is black.
[02:13] <jaysonr> it'll turn white if I do an alt+f2/r to restart shell
[02:14] <jaysonr> other times it'll crash the first time I open a window and then it's white.
[03:19] <darkxst> jaysonr, I have not seen that
[03:19] <darkxst> file a bug with ubuntu-bug after reproducing the crash
[03:28] <jpickett> is there any way to hide the titlebar of windows? on a laptop the webpage doesn't start until 20% down the screen
[03:28] <jaysonr> darkxst: done (I think)
[03:30] <darkxst> jaysonr, link?
[03:31] <darkxst> jpickett, I think there is an extension for that
[03:31] <jaysonr> darkxst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1177178
[03:32] <jaysonr> darkxst: if I didn't do something right, let me know, and I'll close that one and do it again
[03:33] <enrique_> enrique83
[03:34] <enrique_> hola!
[03:34] <enrique_> someone talk spanish?
[03:34] <darkxst> jaysonr, do you have any extensions installed with custom css files?
[03:34] <jaysonr> darkxst: I tried the system monitor extension, but it didn't work and I removed it.
[03:35] <jaysonr> darkxst: is there an easy way to reset GNOME back to complete defaults and start over? I'm happy to try if there is.
[03:35] <darkxst> jaysonr, so it his happening with no extensions installed?
[03:35] <jaysonr> darkxst: yes.
[03:36] <darkxst> jaysonr, would be good if you can get a backtrace of the crash
[03:37] <jaysonr> darkxst: how do I do that?
[03:39] <darkxst> jaysonr, you can use apport/ubuntu-bug
[03:39] <darkxst> make sure apport is enabled, and then when you get the popup to submit bug report, click examine locallu
[03:39] <darkxst> locally
[03:40] <jaysonr> apport never pops
[03:40] <darkxst> jaysonr, its disabled by default on releases
[03:40] <darkxst> or check /var/crash/ for a file with gnome-shell in the name
[03:40] <darkxst> you can run ubuntu-bug straight on that file if its there
[03:41] <jaysonr> yup, sure is
[03:41] <jaysonr> do i do it on the .crash or the .upload?
[03:41] <darkxst> .crash
[03:42] <jaysonr> darkxst: nm, that looks like it's from yesterday
[03:42] <darkxst> jaysonr, delete the file and a new one will be created with the next crash
[03:42] <jaysonr> darkxst: ok, lemme see.
[03:43] <jaysonr> darkxst: should i kill that bug that just got entered?
[03:43] <jaysonr> since that log is kinda nasty
[03:43] <darkxst> jaysonr, no thats fine
[03:43] <jaysonr> ok
[03:43] <darkxst> just add a backtrace to it once you get one
[03:43] <darkxst> i will be back in a bit
[03:50] <jaysonr> darkxst: i attached the .crash to the bug
[03:50] <jaysonr> darkxst: i need to go to bed now, but I left apport open in case I need to do anything with it.
[03:50] <jaysonr> i posted to the list earlier too if you want to reply to me there.
[03:50] <jaysonr> darkxst: thanks again for your help
[04:13] <darkxst> jaysonr, you need to process the crash report with apport first!
[04:16] <darkxst> jaysonr, run 'ubuntu-bug crashfile'
[04:18] <darkxst> click 'examine locally' and then the last option 'add symbolic trace to .crash
[10:27] <darkxst> ricotz, feel like stripping the dbg packages from mozjs17 and pushing for a rebuild so it gets ddebs?
[10:28] <darkxst> I couldnt get apport-retrace to work with old school -dbg packages ;(
[10:37] <jaysonr> darkxst: sorry, when I run ubuntu-bug _usr_bin_gnome-shell.1000.crash I only have "Show Details", "Continue" and a checkbox to send error report.
[10:38] <jaysonr> darkxst: nothing about examine locally
[10:41] <jaysonr> if I click "Continue" it just goes away.
[10:44] <darkxst> jaysonr, I manage to run a trace of your .crash file, but it was useless, since the mozjs17 symbols don't work with apport ;(
[10:45] <jaysonr> darkxst: ok :(
[10:46] <jaysonr> darkxst: shell just crashed randomly on me now :(
[10:47] <jaysonr> gnome-shell crashed with SIGSEGV in clutter_actor_get_accessible()
[10:49] <darkxst> think that one is already filed somewhere
[10:50] <jaysonr> darkxst: it's like if I look at it wrong it crashes. I think I'm just gonna downgrade this box to 3.6
[10:50] <jaysonr> darkxst: will I run into trouble running PPA purge?
[10:52] <darkxst> jaysonr, 3.8 has been really stable here, much more than 3.6
[10:52] <darkxst> ppa_purge should work ok, might get a little confused with the mozjs downgrade though
[10:52] <darkxst> purging staging requires a few extra commands though
[10:52] <jaysonr> darkxst: it seems I have parts of 3.6 and parts of 3.8, is that normal?
[10:53] <jaysonr> gnomer-terminal is 3.6 for example
[10:53] <darkxst> jaysonr, yes, the rest is in staging, and not 100% ready for general use
[10:56] <jaysonr> darkxst: ok. well, when I first saw your messages in my awaylog I deleted that .crash file from the bug b/c i felt like an idot :-/
[10:56] <jaysonr> darkxst: now it's been overwritten by that second crash
[10:56] <darkxst> jaysonr, don't mix crashes! each crash should get its own bug report!
[10:57] <jaysonr> i've got to head to work but I'll fiddle with this some more. it's only a day old install, I may just re-install and see if I did/installed something that caused the instability
[10:57] <jaysonr> darkxst: i know, just wondering if you still have the .crash you processed
[10:57] <jaysonr> darkxst: but you said it wasn't much use anyway
[10:57] <darkxst> yes, but I can't do anything with it!
[10:58] <jaysonr> darkxst: okay. thanks again for being helpful. i'll fiddle more after work. everything runs great execpt for the shell crashes. i can't help but wonder if I caused it somehow. it runs fine on my notebook.
[10:59] <darkxst> jaysonr, test with a new user account?
[11:08] <jaysonr> darkxst: yeah, i'll try that after work
[13:17] <Forage> Ever since I upgraded from Ubuntu GNOME 12.10 to 13.04 the GOA accounts don't function any more. Going to the options of an account only display the Cancel and Done buttons, with no input field or text displayed below. This is the case for existing as well as new accounts.
[13:18] <Forage> It also appears that no accounts connect any more since the Empathy contact list remains empty
[13:19] <Forage> Could this have something to do with having installed the gnome3 staging ppa packages?
[13:21] <Forage> with NOT having installed those packages I mean
[13:23] <Forage> can any one confirm this behaviour with having 13.04 with gnome 3 ppa packages installed, excluding the staging ppa
[18:45] <Forage> is it safe to assume that only the "*+logind~raring?" packages from the GNOME3 Staging ppa are the ones that require/use logind?
[18:52] <Forage> I found that only updating the packages from the "stable" gnome3 ppa result in a non-functioning GOA. It wasn't until I updated Empathy and libfolks (and their dependencies) that existing GOA accounts worked again. It does, however, leave you with a crashing system settings GOA section so you can't alter/add accounts. I assume this is because it would require an update for gnome-control-center as well
[18:54] <Forage> Shouldn't this have been dealt with by increasing the required version of dependencies?
[19:02] <camelinahat> Forage, I can't say much regarding the packages as I'm not a dev and not familiar with them all myself. However I'm running only the Gnome3 PPA (not staging/testing etc), and my GOA is working fine. I've been running since the Beta2 release as a clean install
[19:03] <Forage> camelinahat: strange. Are you able to modify account settings of e.g. IRC accounts and are you seeing Facebook contacts in Empathy?
[19:13] <camelinahat> I don't have an IRC for GOA only UOA. With Facebook, if I used GOA no it didn't show in Empathy, however if I use UOA and add Facebook it does show the contacts in Empathy.
[19:17] <Forage> camelinahat: than how can you say GOA is working fine for you if you aren't even using it?
[19:19] <Forage> could you perform a test by tying to add a GOA account, like IRC or Jabber (as long as it's not available as UOA account as well)? The only thing I need to know is if you are able to provide any account details in the first place. You don't actually have to save the new account
[19:31] <Forage> OK, fixed the GOA system settings crash by installing account-plugin-empathy
[19:33] <Forage> ...partially
[19:35] <camelinahat> Forage, 1) I have no option to add IRC to GOA. Period. 2) I Added facebook it went in fine but it did not add the Facebook chat contacts to my empathy. Trying it on UOA did work
[21:22] <AbsintheSyringe> what am I doing wrong? I can't see "Privacy" with GNOME 3.8 (gnome3-team ppa) on Ubuntu 13.04?
[21:41] <darkxst> AbsintheSyringe, that is only in gnome-control-center 3.8, which is still in staging
[21:41] <AbsintheSyringe> darkxst, so only way to get privacy is to get staging?
[21:42] <darkxst> AbsintheSyringe, yes, same with notifications panel also
[21:42] <AbsintheSyringe> darkxst, will these move over to "regular" ppa?
[21:42] <AbsintheSyringe> eventually
[21:43] <darkxst> yes eventually, when they are ready for general use, currently some regressions that still need fixing
[21:44] <AbsintheSyringe> I can't wait so I'll just get my hands on staging :)


[02:14] <bluesabre_> Hi Laney, if you're about, can you review https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2014-September/000717.html ?
[02:35] <smoser> slangasek, the local-finished is just to say "cloud-init-local already ran". which it could have run to completion before cloud-init-blocknet started.
[02:35] <smoser> i'm out til monday, just figured i'd respond.
[02:35] <smoser> later all.
[06:47] <derek-g> What do you guys think about new Poettering idea about changing the way OS is being packaged: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html
[07:45] <ihashacks> derek-g: vommit on that and anything systemd related
[10:29] <Laney> bluesabre_: should get to it tomorrow
[10:29] <Laney> sorry nobody else did
[18:06] <ScottK> mitya57: How come you didn't just sync pyqt5?
[18:12] <camtron> Is it possible to write Unity lenses in C? (instead of C++ or Python)
[19:11] <slangasek> smoser`: ah.  so the idiomatic way of doing that with wait-for-state would be to make sure cloud-init-local is in state 'started' once it finishes running, so that dependent jobs can key on the state
[20:48] <mapreri> umh.. I'm unable to find any documentation about the differences between the amd64 and am64+mac isos. Any hint?
[21:29] <Logan_> mapreri: http://askubuntu.com/a/40480
[21:32] <mapreri> Logan_: thanks
[21:33] <Logan_> np
[22:05] <ubuntourist> I'm a newbie following the Ubuntu packaging guide and got the following error message:
[22:05] <ubuntourist> dpkg-genchanges: error: badly formed line in files list file, line 1
[22:07] <ubuntourist> The git repository I started with compiled and installed w/o incident.  All I'm trying to do is wrap it in Debian frosting.
[22:07] <ubuntourist> (Specifically, I'm following http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html)
[22:09] <maxb> That sounds like the "debian/files" file (which is supposed to be autogenerated) has somehow had bad data written to it
[22:12] <ubuntourist> maxb: I forgot to mention, upon receiving the error I did "find . -name "*files*" and got no hits (other than two files in the source repository: files.html and files.js)
[22:16] <maxb> Well that's odd.
[22:16] <maxb> Is your packaging already in a git repository somewhere that I could clone and look at?
[22:17] <ubuntourist> maxb: https://github.com/w3c/tidy-html5
[22:18] <maxb> I don't see a debian/ directory in there
[22:21] <ubuntourist> max: according to the documentation "bzr dh-make" should generate it, and it did. I don't use pastebin often. Is it just http://pastebin.com/ or is there a preferred other pastebin?  I can paste the console log/
[22:21] <ubuntourist> .
[22:21] <ubuntourist> maxb: according to the documentation "bzr dh-make" should generate it, and it did. I don't use pastebin often. Is it just http://pastebin.com/ or is there a preferred other pastebin?  I can paste the console log.
[22:23] <maxb> pastebin.com is pretty heavy with ads
[22:23] <maxb> paste.ubuntu.com is less so
[22:23] <ubuntourist> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8346124/
[22:24] <maxb> The thing you really need to bear in mind about dh-make is it just generates a starting point which will have *way* too much distracting boilerplate
[22:24] <maxb> Expect to need to delete lots
[22:25] <maxb> From all that "warning: ignoring deletion" stuff, I infer you've ended up with an .orig.tar.gz which contains the results of a previous build
[22:25] <maxb> It would be a good idea to clean that up
[22:26] <ubuntourist> maxb: Ah. The documentation only mentioned getting rid of the *.ex and *.EX example files.
[22:26] <maxb> That's certainly part of it. A good principle to follow is the end result shouldn't contain anything you don't understand what it's there for :-)
[22:27] <ubuntourist> maxb: That would leave me with an empty directory. ;-) I will pursue the purging.
[22:27] <maxb> I am still somewhat confused by the ultimate error - I can't see what would be causing that
[22:28] <maxb> There are four files in debian/ which are truly core: changelog, compat, control and rules
[22:28] <maxb> You'll probably also have one named install by the time you're done.
[22:29] <maxb> But limiting yourself to that subset to start with should help you cut through the distractions whilst you work on initial packaging
[22:31] <ubuntourist> I have copyright, which was boilerplate but I copied the text of the distributed git into it.
[22:32] <maxb> copyright is certainly required if you're aiming for official Debian/Ubuntu eventually, but doesn't have any functional influence on the package build
[22:33] <ubuntourist> maxb: I'll get rid of the docs, README.*, source/format (and source/) and try again.
[22:33] <ubuntourist> maxb: Other than those, everything else is in your list of core files.
[22:34] <maxb> This package has a really quite weird Makefile install target
[22:45] <maxb> ubuntourist: https://github.com/maxb/tidy-html5/commit/2ce2511c25a0dc6e017fca389654df4ff060f7b9
[22:46] <ubuntourist> maxb: Thanks. I'll have a look and compare to what I've ended up with, to learn.
[22:48] <maxb> I still don't understand how the "files list" error you had would have been caused - so all I can do is tell you that that commit results in a reasonable looking .deb for me


[13:04] <mikea87>  hi, I would like to listen to Norwegian Radio on net but my firefox 3.0 shows the message that I need plugind video/x-ms-asf - where can I find it and how to install it?
[13:05] <elmargol> mikea87, try ubuntu-restricted-extras


[00:40] <Nothing_Much> uh... uh... where do I ask ubuntu touch questions?
[00:40] <Nothing_Much> #ubuntu-touch?
[00:40] <knome> sounds right
[00:41] <Nothing_Much> got it!
[16:03] <balloons> elopio, remind me to chat with you about https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/force-authentication-parameter/+merge/234015 :-)
[16:05] <elopio> balloons: it's huge. Can it be split into renaming emulators.py and the auth parameter?
[16:06] <balloons> elopio, yea I know.. I did the work because launching didn't work properly until the conversion was done. It was easier to fix it all then to just fix it under the old launcher. The point I want to ask about though is my last comment https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/force-authentication-parameter/+merge/234015/comments/576167
[16:10] <elopio> balloons: do you mean that if it's not preinstalled, the tests won't work?
[16:11] <balloons> elopio, yes the get_installed_version will only get the output of click list. But if I push and manually install something locally it doesn't show as the version in click list
[16:11] <balloons> I think this is do to the changes around signed packages perhaps
[16:12] <balloons> I seem to remember before my manual app updates would show in click list
[16:12] <elopio> I tried to get the manifest of a package I installed and the path was from opt
[16:12] <elopio> so I thought it was going to work.
[16:12] <balloons> so tldr, what happens is it launches the installed version of the app, not the version of the app I pushed
[16:12] <elopio> if that's not the case, then it should be a problem on click list. I can give it a try after finishing my testing.
[16:13] <balloons> elopio, I just wanted to let you know, and I'll spend some more time tracking it down since I'm already in it :-)
[16:13] <elopio> balloons: oh, in that case you have both installed.
[16:13] <balloons> elopio, yea.. which didn't use to be
[16:13] <balloons> you used to overwrite the installed version
[16:14] <elopio> I'm not sure what should be the click behaviour in that case. I would expect it to uninstall the previous one and leave only the manually installed one, but I guess that doesn't work for read-only file system.
[16:14] <elopio> balloons: please let me know what you find.
[16:14] <elfy> balloons: hi :)
[16:14] <balloons> hello elfy
[16:14] <balloons> I'm all zynced up, you?
[16:15] <elfy> lol
[16:15] <elfy> hours ago
[16:15] <elfy> and I've posted my critical fail results to the tracker too, you? :p
[16:16] <balloons> same hehe.. but I've not posted, because I've not tested yet
[16:16] <elfy> :)
[16:17] <elfy> I've not got time to doublecheck the ubuntu one - but assuming it fails vm with the lightdm bug - it might be useful to mail the list with the number to forestall a bunch of dupes
[16:19] <balloons> I need to put the hard drive back into the test box
[16:20] <elfy> I'll be doing some hardware tests later - don't think they're affected by the lightdm issue
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> apparently not elfy, jjfrv8 did all his tests with beta 2 and didn't report any failure
[16:21] <elfy> slickymasterWork: hardware?
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> and those were on hardware
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> ^^
[16:21] <elfy> right - thought so :)
[16:22] <elfy> I did check here when this new bug turned up - but not looked on hardware since then
[16:28] <elopio> cgregan: I read this about uber: http://www.technollama.co.uk/the-sharing-economy-is-anything-but
[16:29] <elopio> sorry cgregan, that was for cgoldberg. ^
[16:29] <cgregan> :-)
[16:34] <cgoldberg> elopio, uber has nearly pushed boston taxis out of business.. and thats a good thing :)
[16:44] <elopio> cgoldberg: yes, it sounds cool. But it brings so many new problems.
[16:44] <elopio> what would be great is just to go to the street and if you see an empty car that goes in your way, you jump in :)
[16:44] <elopio> of course, then you can end up dead in a Costa Rican mountain.
[18:24] <balloons> beta images trashing vm's :-(
[18:24] <wxl> whaa?
[18:24] <elfy> are you surprised?
[18:24] <wxl> i just want our darn desktop images :)
[18:25] <elfy> heh
[18:25] <elfy> wxl: balloons might be able to do it for you - not sure
[18:25] <wxl> balloons: lubuntu desktop images are totally missing off the tracker?
[18:25] <elfy> balloons: at least it's only vm's - hardware install is still working
[18:25] <balloons> elfy, not surprised as you gave us the head's up, just sad
[18:26] <elfy> yea
[18:27] <elfy> balloons: frankly lightdm or something to do with logging in on vm's has been off and on since lightdm left .7 behind
[18:28] <elfy> that was at least when I first saw the issue in this machine
[18:29] <balloons> wxl, I only see alt images--- that what you mean>/
[18:30] <balloons> I certainly can, but I don't want to step on toes
[18:31] <balloons> I can confirm they are not part of the milestone
[18:32] <elfy> balloons: mailed qa list re 1371651 so we don't get hundreds of dupes
[18:32] <wxl> balloons: yeah that's the problem. it certainly shouldn't be that way. no one got in touch with me about it, so i see no reason why they SHOULDN'T be there.
[18:34] <balloons> elfy, thanks
[18:34] <balloons> wxl, you should have permission to publish
[18:34]  * balloons checks perms
[18:34] <wxl> balloons: i can't even find the desktop one anywhere though
[18:35] <balloons> lubuntu release definitely owns them
[18:35] <balloons> shall I publish then?
[18:36] <wxl> well sheesh i wish i could find them. i should be looking under beta 2 no?
[18:36] <balloons> wxl, they aren't published, but the lubuntu release team owns them. They should be able to publish them
[18:37] <wxl> balloons: could you link me to where you see them?
[18:37] <balloons> wxl, they are not published. they don't exist on that milestone
[18:37] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-release is 404?
[18:38] <wxl> aye that may be the problem
[18:38] <wxl> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-product-managers
[18:38] <balloons> ahh, there we are
[18:39] <balloons> elfy, lol, you are blocked on my test tracker.. what did you do? :-)
[18:40] <elfy> no idea
[18:40] <wxl> ok i think i finally found where to edit this but it's asking for a version number. that's the iso date?
[18:40] <elfy> balloons: tried to login I think - it got lost with openid :)
[18:40] <balloons> yea should work.. sorry, sidebarring
[18:41] <elfy> though tbh I have forgotten all about that now the real one works ish :)
[18:41] <wxl> ok there we go
[18:41] <wxl> :)
[18:42] <elfy> :)
[18:42] <elfy> balloons: as you did such a superb job with that - can you fix lightdm :D
[18:42] <balloons> lol
[18:44] <wxl> weird why are there there two entries about the builds being added?
[18:46] <elfy> anyway - as I was saying balloons - just blame mhall119 :)
[18:47] <balloons> it is generally his fault yes.. ohh why, speaking of mhall119
[18:47] <balloons> there he is
[18:47] <elfy> oh yea - so he is
[18:52] <elfy> balloons: serious question now :)
[18:53] <elfy> assuming that lightdm stays the same, no respins, should we mark them ready on thursday?
[18:53] <knome> ready even if it's borked? :)
[18:54] <knome> my worry is that if they aren't fixed for this beta, when are they going to be fixed so that we will be able to confirm that they actually work?
[18:54] <elfy> indeed
[18:55] <knome> sure, it's "only" virtual machines, but still it's not a small issue
[18:55] <balloons> elfy, I assume even if the same they would like greenlight the images anyways. But I'm not so sure I would say that's a good idea
[18:55] <knome> it isn't very sustainable to keep something that breaks all virtualized images..
[18:56] <balloons> yep, being final beta I would consider it something big enough to make or break an image
[18:56] <elfy> my worry isn't that they fix them in time - but this is the 2nd or 3rd time in as many weeks this type of thing has occurred
[18:56] <knome> imo, greenlighting the images would be ok if there was *a* *true* *promise* that it *will* *be* *fixed* before the final release
[18:56] <balloons> need that test ,,,
[18:56] <elfy> so what happens when it happens a few days after the final release releases
[19:03] <balloons> elfy, we do what we can :-) I hope it doesn't happen again.
[19:03] <elfy> indeed :)
[19:03] <elfy> surely if it's fubar on release week they'd not actually do it
[19:04] <elfy> anyway - no point worrying too much about that far away when it's fubar now :)
[19:05] <knome> yes, it needs to be fixed before it can break again on release week :P
[19:05] <balloons> knome, so true
[19:06] <balloons> bunosera Letozaf_
[19:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, buonasera :)
[19:07] <balloons> Letozaf_, look what else popped up ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~flscogna/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-add-forceAuth/+merge/235537. think you can do the same?
[19:07] <elfy> hey Letozaf_ - I finally caught up with you - I've been meaning to congrats on membership since I saw it the first time :)
[19:08] <balloons> I'm sure you saw the comment I left on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/force-authentication-parameter/+merge/234015. I think it works
[19:08] <Letozaf_> elfy, hello and thank you :-)
[19:08]  * Letozaf_ is reading
[19:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok yes I can do the same on the terminal app :)
[19:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, thanks!
[19:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, yw :-)
[19:42] <mhall119> elfy: balloons: you know I was around earlier, just had my IRC server rebooted
[19:42] <elfy> I had assumed so - but the chance presented itself so I took it :)
[19:42] <mhall119> as one must :)
[19:43] <elfy> of course :)
[19:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, I was trying to push my changes but got: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(chroot-94369936:///~flscogna/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-add-forceAuth/.bzr/branch/lock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[19:54] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, his branch doesn't let anyone contribute to it
[19:55] <balloons> Letozaf_, so make a new branch under terminal devs
[19:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[19:55] <balloons> we will also need to resubmit the proposal for that reason
[19:55] <balloons> so lp:~ubuntu-terminal-dev/ubuntu-terminal-app/blah
[19:56] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thks
[19:56] <elfy> balloons: might have a clue with this lightdm issue from someone
[19:57] <balloons> elfy, what did you figure out/
[19:58] <elfy> hang on - testing
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-terminal-dev/ubuntu-terminal-app/fix-add-forceAuth/+merge/235711
[19:59] <elfy> balloons: ok - confirmed it - boot with systemd and it works fine
[19:59] <balloons> elfy, but I wanted to blame systemd!
[20:00] <elfy> ha
[20:00] <elfy> commented in bug
[20:03] <balloons> lol, I think you could provide more details :-) But awesome
[20:04] <balloons> Letozaf_, awesome, I see the new mo
[20:04] <balloons> *mp
[20:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) my device is ko, fixing it
[20:14] <elfy> balloons: it would be better if you could edit comments in LP - but I can't so I added more detail :)
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, PASSED: Continuous integration, rev:151   :P
[20:21] <balloons> ty ty
[20:31] <Letozaf_> balloons, I wanted to check this test: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/ubuntu-clock-app/new-add_world_city_test/+merge/231131 but running clock app test now gives me this:
[20:31] <Letozaf_> Fail to connect with client Unable to connect to 'Tasks': Cannot open calendar: Data source 'Tasks' does not support OAuth 2.0 authentication
[20:31] <Letozaf_> (qmlscene:6627): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_ref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[20:31] <Letozaf_> (qmlscene:6627): libecal-CRITICAL **: e_cal_client_get_view: assertion 'E_IS_CAL_CLIENT (client)' failed
[20:35] <balloons> Letozaf_, that might be something for nik90 to answer
[20:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will ask him
[21:04] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20140923/utopic-desktop-powerpc.iso is a 404. do i need to rebuild or what?
[21:12] <balloons> wxl, ?
[21:13] <wxl> balloons: well, i guess i don't know why the image is not there? ;)
[21:13] <wxl> i386 too http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20140923/utopic-desktop-i386.iso
[21:14] <wxl> balloons: i'm kind of asking the noob question here. a rebuild should fix this no?
[21:19] <balloons> wxl, bah no, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/utopic-desktop-i386.iso
[21:20] <wxl> balloons: but that's not what's linked under beta
[21:20] <wxl> balloons: similar urls are used for alternate which works fine
[21:20] <wxl> balloons: i mean you're welcome to yell at the iso tracker and tell it it messed up :)
[21:21] <balloons> wxl, no the links are definitely not there
[21:21] <balloons> build away
[21:21] <wxl> ok :)


[00:00] <skraito> or any server that you know supported it for ubuntu
[00:00] <sarnold> hmm, good question. I think 18.04 still has 32bit x86 support, I'm not positive
[00:00] <skraito> at least i can turn this 1 gig eeepc to server
[00:00] <skraito> and host is it from dynamic dns
[00:01] <skraito> 18.04 how long does it end for the patch and everything
[00:01] <skraito> and what's the name of 18.04 sarnold
[00:01] <skraito> i know ubuntu have some name for it so i am not sure which one is whichone for 18.04
[00:02] <skraito> in download directory i mean
[00:02] <sarnold> xenial
[00:02] <sarnold> oh no!
[00:02] <tomreyn> bionic
[00:02] <skraito> nvm let me just go and open the direct ubuntu download
[00:02] <skraito> bionic ?
[00:02] <sarnold> haha, I got it wrong. xenial is 16.04. (now in ESM support, no longer free support) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[00:03] <tomreyn> and 18.04 is called "bionic".
[00:03] <skraito> well at least i got one more yeah
[00:04] <skraito> wuhuuu
[00:04] <skraito> i plant it now than
[00:04] <skraito> oh wait what about the server
[00:04] <skraito> is there any bionic server ?
[00:04] <skraito> or i am just being totally idiot
[00:05] <skraito> asking the desktop version
[00:05] <skraito> all i need is the server version
[00:05] <tomreyn> there's a 'desktop' and a 'server' variant for every ubuntu release.
[00:05] <Hash> Dan39: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457736 I put in a report
[00:06] <Hash> Is this a KDE thing or a Kubuntu thing?
[00:06] <skraito> :(
[00:06] <skraito> https://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/
[00:07] <skraito> is all 64 bit
[00:07] <skraito> nvm
[00:07] <skraito> yeah this the problem with 32 bit
[00:07] <skraito> who has it anyway nowdays
[00:08] <skraito> i just hit freebsd than :(
[00:08] <skraito> thank you again sarnold
[00:08] <skraito> i just shut up now
[00:08] <tomreyn> I think Debian and some other Linux distros still support 32-bit, or try to.
[00:08] <skraito> you trust debian tomreyn ?
[00:09] <skraito> i would rather go with canonical rather than debian
[00:09] <skraito> sorry no offense though
[00:09] <tomreyn> i have no reason not to. but this would be more of a topic for #debian
[00:09] <sarnold> yeah, debian is the base of ubuntu; we all pretty much trust debian :)
[00:09] <tomreyn> (or #linux if you want to compare different distributions)
[00:10] <skraito> yeah i know debian is the root
[00:10] <skraito> but no one support it other than community may be at least what i know last time
[00:10] <skraito> at least enterprise won't just use it
[00:11] <skraito> so it might be usless to code anything there
[00:11] <skraito> i know i know is .deb
[00:11] <skraito> but yeah different distro might just confusing you
[00:11] <skraito> i saw there is couple of ubuntu market to for my next job
[00:11] <skraito> so might as well learned it
[00:12] <skraito> brb checking
[00:12] <skraito> time to research again
[00:12] <skraito> have a good day all
[00:13] <sarnold> see ya skraito :)
[00:14] <skraito> oh yeah wait sarnold
[00:14] <skraito> did ubuntu provide any sysadmin book
[00:14] <skraito> or any book for free download
[00:15] <skraito> just like other competitor
[00:15] <skraito> rather than googling i would rather read organize document like book
[00:15] <sarnold> skraito: there's some stuff on https://help.ubuntu.com/ -- I don't know if I'd call it a book, exactly, but it covers a lot of topics
[00:17] <skraito> okay thank you
[00:20] <skraito> anyone expert here at firewalld
[00:21] <skraito> how to log all packet in and out and even forward it to others destination
[00:21] <skraito> like iptables chain
[00:22] <sarnold> logging all the packets is liable to require a *lot* of storage; I killed a hard drive once by logging all my *denied* packets, not all the packets..
[00:23] <skraito> yeah i can only find documentation for deny packages sarnold
[00:24] <skraito> i like one that future to log in all incoming connection or out too
[00:24] <skraito> even forward like iptables just for security audit
[00:26] <skraito> it's just taking small harddrive space
[00:26] <skraito> even like 1000 connection per second
[00:27] <skraito> may be our ssd now or whatever technology is fast enough to track all
[00:27] <skraito> but how to do it sarnold anyone here know
[00:27] <skraito> ?
[00:28] <sarnold> skraito: I never really got the hang of iptables; I think a -jLOG or -jULOG in the right place would do the trick, but I'm not sure
[00:28] <skraito> okay let me google it
[00:32] <skraito> nvm i am tired
[00:32] <skraito> going to walk in the park
[00:32] <skraito> see ya around sarnold
[00:33] <skraito> thanks again for letting me in
[00:33] <skraito> brb
[00:38] <skraito> oh sarnold
[00:38] <skraito> i mean firewalld
[00:38] <skraito> not iptables
[00:39] <skraito> i mean how can we log every packet frame or everything at firewalld configuration
[00:39] <skraito> i know tcpdump can do it
[00:40] <skraito> but well might be nice not to run tcpdump but only firewalld
[00:40] <skraito> i know how to setup iptables
[00:41] <skraito> but not so sure about this firewalld
[00:41] <skraito> accepted package output package and forwarding packet
[00:42] <skraito> really brb now
[00:42] <skraito> see ya
[00:42] <sarnold> skraito: heh, sorry, I've never even looked at firewalld
[01:27] <stevessss> so.. ubuntu 22.04 upgraded me from linux-image-5.15.0-41-generic to linux-image-5.15.0-43-generic and snd-usb-audio.ko is now missing
[01:28] <stevessss> needless to say no pulseaudio devices work
[01:28] <sarnold> check the modules-extra package?
[01:30] <stevessss> cool
[01:30] <stevessss> I thought alsa was  a big default
[01:36] <fuakata> help quit
[01:36] <oerheks> no, stay here
[01:57] <jhutchins> This business of moving modules from core to extra mid-release looks serious.
[04:19] <de-facto> where can i disable that annoying popup "application X does not respond bla"?
[04:19] <de-facto> its a lie, i interact with the application the only thing that interrupts my workflow is that gnome popup
[05:45] <ice9> is it possible to share wifi connection as hostspot?
[05:46] <oerheks> ice9, yes, but not all cards/drivers allow this
[05:46] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/networkmanager/configure-wifi-access-points
[05:47] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-adhoc.html.en
[05:47] <ice9> oerheks, i mean wifi over wifi, not wired to hotspot
[05:48] <oerheks> hmm, maybe with 2 wifi adapters..
[05:49] <arraybolt3[m]> ice9: AFAIK, a single WiFi adapter can only sustain one connection. If you have two adapters like oerheks suggests, that should allow you to make your Ubuntu system into a WiFi repeater, but with only one, I don't think that's going to be possible.
[06:14] <dartz> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
[06:15] <Unit193> dartz: I thought I told you to quit being obnoxious.
[06:23] <arraybolt3[m]> Unit193: Looks like his /amsg command worked.
[06:25] <oerheks> no it didn' t
[07:22] <ice9> what will be the ubuntu summit ticket price?
[07:56] <Bardon> Hello, I have a server running Ubuntu 20.04.4 LTS. When will 22.04.1 be available through `do-release-upgrade`?
[08:05] <ogra> Bardon, the next days ... (22.04.1 was delayed due to a bug with the isos, it will likely release today, the meta-release files will be updated afterwards and you should see the update prompt then)
[08:08] <Bardon> ogra: Likely release today? Where can I check if it has been released?
[08:09] <Bardon> I found this link but it says daily builds https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/jammy/daily-live/current/
[08:09] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[08:10] <Bardon> I see, thanks. I'll wait a few days then!
[08:11] <ogra> it depends how exhausted the release team is, with luck the switch happens today or tomorrow ... latest on monday i'd say
[08:11] <ogra> (they had a few nightshifts thanks to the bug)
[08:14] <Bardon> "the switch" as in the release being available through `do-release-upgrade`?
[08:14] <Bardon> When it releases, will it be immediatly available through do-release-upgrade, or is it offered only to a subset of users first to mitigate the load?
[08:34] <murmel> somebody knows how bad it would be to switch out bintuils for a newer release?
[08:59] <nshire> I keep getting a buffer io error on my vm, it's always on sr0
[08:59] <nshire> every time I connect to the vm its spamming me about buffer io errors on sr0
[09:01] <nshire> hmm looks like I forgot to remove the virtual dvd drive. nvm.
[09:34] <stolen> i setup samba in ubuntu 16.04 but it is not showing in Windows
[09:36] <oerheks> interesting..
[09:36] <oerheks> 16.04 ie EOL, dead jim, upgrade please
[09:36] <oerheks> c/ie/is
[09:37] <oerheks> !16.04
[09:37] <oerheks> and if you have ESM, you know where to go to
[09:37] <stolen> ESM ?
[09:38] <oerheks> yes, if you have to ask what it is, you did not pay for it
[09:39] <oerheks> so, have fun upgrading
[09:40] <oerheks> i would do a fresh install, but that is me
[09:54] <guiverc> Bardon, the status on 22.04.1 can be seen here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-22-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/29102  (though releasing in hours so little there), but upgrading blockers on 20.04->22.04.1 are there; it was two & is down to one
[09:57] <oerheks> guiverc, it is still set for today, right?
[09:58] <guiverc> yep.
[10:14] <c_89> Hello, I would like to know I would like to create a pendrive with the persistent ubuntu live image to be able to use it in case of troubleshooting, but at the same time in case I have to reinstall the ubuntu distribution on the HDD from scratch, I would like the persistent changes to be ignored and then install the distribution as if it were a
[10:14] <c_89> virgin. Is it possible to do this?
[10:19] <oerheks> persistent install is just the iso with extra space, if you install updates/programms, not sure it is still the same..
[10:20] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/#Persistent_live_systems
[10:28] <oerheks> oh snapd update comming through \0/
[11:13] <wez> o_O
[12:14] <bittin> 22.04.1 just dropped
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:22] <bittin> hi
[12:38] <bittin> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/08/ubuntu-22-04-point-release-available
[12:39] <ogra> sigh
[12:40] <ogra> if only he would not post these things while people are still trying hard to sync their mirrors
[12:40] <ogra> the release is *NOT OUT YET*
[12:41] <bittin> yeah Maik said that too on Telegram, i don't really follow Ubuntu that close anymore, so did not know omgUbuntu was to early
[12:42] <ogra> joey tends to do that every release ... just slowing down the release process since the servers get hit hard as soon as his posts go out
[12:42] <ogra> the release is out once the announcement hits the ubuntu-announce ML ... not before
[12:42] <bittin> maybe someone should talk to Joey then
[12:43] <ogra> many people tried multiple times over the years
[12:43] <bittin> ah
[12:43] <bittin> sorry did not know that
[12:43] <ogra> seems he needs the clicks urgently 🙂
[12:43] <Maik> would be better to take it to #ubuntu-discuss
[12:44] <ogra> yeah ... well, i'm done ranting anyway 🙂
[12:44] <bittin> and i know whats going on and don't really have anything to add
[12:44] <Maik> i left a comment on his tweet regarding his way of doing
[14:09] <stevenm> Hey the bit of the installer that asks for your AD domain administrator's username... doesn't like a $ being in the username... even though that's completely valid for AD.  Anyway around this?
[14:09] <leftyfb> who puts a $ in a username?
[14:10] <stevenm> e.g. if I put in $stevenm then it states 'Must start with a lower-case letter' and so it won't let you hit continue
[14:10] <stevenm> I dunno - just something our company does for admin accounts
[14:22] <enyc> hrrm a 20.04.xLTS machine  do-release-upgrade isn't offering 22.04.1 even though .1 released ...?
[14:23] <leftyfb> enyc: you will be on 22.04.1
[14:24] <stevenm> also this AD setup screen is very broken... it gives no feedback to if something has worked or not and doesn't let you go back
[14:24] <stevenm> so basically you are trapped on the screen - on a half installed ubuntu to disk... with no way of progressing until you can guess what to enter that it'll accept (with no feedback about what is wrong if you get it wrong)
[14:25] <leftyfb> stevenm: ALT+F1 then look at /var/log/install.log (I think that's the name of it)
[14:28] <stevenm> alt+f1 does nothing
[14:29] <stevenm> f2 does though - gets me tty2
[14:29] <stevenm> don't know the installer live cd's user/pass through - probably something I can google
[14:30] <leftyfb> try just root
[14:30] <stevenm> nah I got in with just username 'ubuntu'
[14:30] <stevenm> no pass
[14:31] <stevenm> no such thing as /var/log/install.log though
[14:36] <enyc> leftyfb: the trouble is do-release-upgrade isn't offering that upgrade
[14:37] <enyc> leftyfb: is that not for a little while until 22.04.1 out on all mirrors or so?
[14:38] <spchpd> how many kernels system keeps installed?
[14:38] <leftyfb> enyc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2022-August/thread.html  it's not officially released yet
[14:39] <enyc> leftyfb: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-August/thread.html  says it is
[14:40] <stevenm> it is for ubuntu mate too (as that's what I'm trying to install now)
[14:40] <stevenm> although the ubuntu mate site points to the old URL (the non .1 release) and gets you 404 now
[14:41] <stevenm> but the mirror it's pointing at has certainly moved on, and in that dir only hosts the .1 file
[14:41] <leftyfb> enyc: ah, I was in the wrong place
[14:41] <leftyfb> enyc: not sure what to tell you
[14:41] <spchpd> i have 5.15.0-30 and <IP_ADDRESS>, 41th is faulty. So if I install 46th will it mark 30th for deletion?
[14:46] <enyc> leftyfb: I very much suspect patience is nthe name of the game, or use  d-release-upgrade -dh ;o
[14:46] <leftyfb> I would go with the former
[15:00] <amaroq> sudo apt update is showing everything up to date. Yet, when I open Software it is showing OS updates available. I'm confused. Are OS updates different to apt update?
[15:01] <amaroq> Also, Superkey has stopped working. I miss a good launcher like Spotlight in macos world. Recommended alternatives? Gnome-Do??
[15:02] <leftyfb> !upgrade | amaroq
[15:04] <amaroq> leftyfb, appreciate it, but wasn't really my question. I know I can sudo apt upgrade but shouldn't sudo apt update have told me that there was stuff ready for upgrading? I only found out coz I happened to open Software otherwise, I wouldn't be the wiser.
[15:13] <habys> hiyo, has anyone booted jammy from ipxe successfully? I have simplified my setup as much as I think I can and still get 'Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block' and it does not appear to have taken the time to download the iso. Here is my info: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/G7yHnx5gvG/
[15:14] <habys> I would like to not need to involve the whole ISO, but I am willing to do anything to just get it working at this point
[15:24] <Marie-Odile1> Bonjou
[15:25] <Marie-Odile1> En train d'installer ubuntu 22 PC fixe neuf message :après toute une liste de choses faites ; failed to start Ubuntu livre CD installer ,,, nel crash signatures
[15:26] <Marie-Odile1> Qu dois.je faire ?
[15:26] <Marie-Odile1> Merci
[15:26] <leftyfb> !fr | Marie-Odile1
[15:27] <Marie-Odile1> join#ubuntu-fr
[15:27] <leftyfb>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[15:29] <wez>  /quit
[15:29] <dobbicorp> don't /quit ubuntu is the best drug
[15:34] <wez> dobbicorp: /quit will exit libera
[15:44] <naraiank[m]> uname -r
[15:44] <dobbicorp> wrong shell :)
[15:45] <wez> dobbicorp: no, it was the correct shell :)  The answer is 5.15.0-1015-aws
[16:00] <amaroq> So, I downloaded the suggested OS update in Software, restarted and system crashed.
[16:08] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[16:17] <Sven_vB> I'm using Ubuntu focal with pulseaudio 13.99.1 and bluetoothctl 5.53. is there a way to monitor link quality to my headphones, especially anything that hints at radiowave traffic congestion or rogue interference?
[16:18] <Sven_vB> back agai
[16:18] <Sven_vB> n
[16:22] <jhutchins> Sven_vB: The only way to "monitor" that would be to pay attention to the sound quality and compare it to a wired connection.
[16:26] <Sven_vB> jhutchins, does BT not have statistics like retransmission count etc.? I have the impression that in the far parts of usable antenna distance range, audio gaps have increased compared to a few weeks ago, but using my human memory for comparison is rather error prone.
[16:30] <jhutchins> Sven_vB: BT is not an open-source technology.  The systems it was developed for do not usually have any provision for user monitoring and troubleshooting.  What leaves the lab is what you get.
[16:31] <Sven_vB> oh I see. thanks! at least now I can stop searching for those stats.
[16:32] <beherit1> hi
[16:32] <beherit1> i need help,
[16:33] <beherit1> i've installed ubuntu 22.04 on my new thinkpad p14s gen 2 AMD
[16:34] <beherit1> for the power management , i've installed tlp
[16:34] <agoodm> Hi, I have an odd WiFi issue since upgrading to 22.04.  Basically during roam events my laptop is replying to ping packets, which causes my dhcp server to give it a new different ip every time it roams.  Extremely aggravating.  Any way to stop this behaviour?  Feels like a bug - never used to do this
[16:34] <agoodm> laptop is a thinkpad x1 carbon gen 9 AX201 wifi
[16:35] <beherit> whenever i plug in my AC connection, it flips to Performance mode no problem. but when i have it disconnected, it stays on performance and doesn't swap back to balanced or power savings.
[16:35] <beherit> i think i've been through the confiq pretty thoroughly but i don't understand what else i might need to set .
[16:36] <jhutchins> beherit: If you're roaming, the previous IP address is probably not part of the range available from the next AP.  This is more likely something happening with the APs than the network stack.
[16:36] <agoodm> beherit, you can have mode change via setting in bios, works better.  Personally I have mine in ballanced all the time via this setting
[16:36] <beherit> i don't think bios has that as an option
[16:37] <beherit> under power i see amd cpu management
[16:37] <beherit> none of the 3 profiles .
[16:37] <beherit> *under power menu in bios
[16:37] <beherit> it's either on or off
[16:37] <agoodm> jhutchins, was that intended for me? If so access points are on the same VLAN; laptop does a dhcp discover after roam event which is normal, dhcp server goes to offer it the ip it had, pings it first, laptop replies, dhcp abandons the ip and gives a fresh one.
[16:37] <leftyfb> agoodm: I think it's a known bug in the kernel and wpa_supplicant
[16:38] <agoodm> leftyfb, no work arounds?
[16:38] <agoodm> its really screwing up my work because every time it roams I loose all my sessions.  Some of my sites have many dozens of wifi cells ;(
[16:39] <ogra> Sven_vB, you should be able to read RSSI values (sigal strenght) and such for sure via bluetoothctl queries (now dont ask me which, but BT offers a metric ton of link quality info and such)
[16:39] <leftyfb> not really. We moved to iwd as opposed to wpa_supplicant and have been patching the kernel. We still see some issues with roaming that we are tracking down but it's been better but not perfect
[16:39] <agoodm> beherit, why do you want to go to performance mode on ac anyway? On my laptop performance different is not very noticable but laptop runs hot++ so its not worth it to me
[16:40] <beherit> i see.
[16:40] <leftyfb> agoodm: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/fcdb44d08a95003c3d040aecdee286156ec6f34e  this is one of the bugs we came across
[16:41] <beherit> i see , so you reckon just leave it in balanced ? I mainly use tlp no have have my battery constantly at full charge when i have it plugged in .
[16:41] <agoodm> leftyfb, I wish my issue was as minor as a 1 second drop... Due to IP address change I constantly loose all my authenticated sessions when working on WiFi, its practically unusable
[16:41] <beherit> i have the charge treshhold at 40% / 85%
[16:41] <leftyfb> agoodm: again, we came across several bugs related to roaming. This is just 1 of them
[16:42] <agoodm> beherit, I would unless you had a good use case for performance.  I would also set charge threshold to 80 85 - seems like good compromise on battery life to me - last laptop was used like this for 5 years and battery still at 80% health after 400 cycles
[16:43] <beherit> wow ok
[16:43] <beherit> anyway i can set a treshhold if i deleted and did away with tlp completely ?
[16:44] <agoodm> no you need to use tlp for that
[16:44] <beherit> ah ok, so leave tlp as it is,
[16:44] <beherit> set AC mode to balanced
[16:44] <beherit> and just run with it .
[16:46] <agoodm> mine will boost up to full speed in balanced but run efficiently under part load.  Performance just seems to allow uncapped case temperatures and it wont even go into performance if it thinks its not sitting on a desk.  I think there is slightly better sustained performance in that mode, but its so fast I dont notice it.  I wanna be kind to my laptop and not cook it so it lasts ages.
[16:46] <Sven_vB> ogra, thanks! then I should still search some more.
[16:47] <ogra> well, play a bit with bluetootctl (also with its well hidden submenus) ...
[16:48] <ogra> there is a mass of information in BT links ... enough that you can triangulate positions to centimeters in rooms from link quality data if you have multiple receivers in the room
[16:48] <agoodm> leftyfb, I also noticed that when my laptop roams it sends a burst of multicast traffic, which was upsetting igmp snooping.  So since my home network is small and its here I have most issues I decided to just turn off igmp snooping as a test, but it didnt help :(
[16:49] <beherit> thank you
[16:49] <beherit> much appreciate your help
[16:49] <beherit> ammended my .conf file , going to reboot now and see what happends.
[16:51] <agoodm> maybe as a work around I could alter the roaming behaviour so that its more sticky? it would be preferable to have poor performance vs constantly loosing all of my sessions every time it roams
[16:51] <agoodm> all of my networks have a lot of overlap in the cells which may cause some devices to roam frequently
[16:53] <oerheks> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2022-August/000282.html
[16:53] <oerheks> :-D
[17:12] <habys> re: ipxe+jammy - some progress is made, by specifying inird= in the kernel line the root is found, but it is trying to load /dev/sr0 over and over until it fails. Latest config: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/Jd8JzV3jCq/plain/  -- if anyone has jammy working on ipxe and can give me a hint, please help
[17:12] <archer> is it common for snapstore having issues with VPN? Unless i am disconnected from my VPN i am unable to do software updates using ubuntu software as well as im unable to "explore".
[17:13] <habys> I must have some kernel parameter wrong
[17:14] <archer> ive updated mirrors to fastest recommended and have found myself having to kill snapstore more than i think is normal. is there a work around to keep my vpn connected and still use the snapstore? i am currently on 20.04.4
[17:51] <DynamiteDan> greetings. what would be the difference between /svr and /var/lib folders?
[17:52] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: https://www.howtogeek.com/117435/htg-explains-the-linux-directory-structure-explained/
[17:52] <DynamiteDan> thanks
[17:53] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[17:53] <oerheks> oh
[17:54] <oerheks>  /srv can contain data directories of services such as HTTP (/srv/www/) or FTP.
[17:55] <DynamiteDan> hmm. I have this SynologyDrive folder that I don't want to be /home/user
[17:55] <oerheks>  /var is dedicated to variable data, such as logs, databases, websites, files that persist from one boot to the next
[17:55] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: why not?
[17:55] <oerheks> the free folder to store stuff is /opt
[17:55] <DynamiteDan> that is more for apps
[17:55] <leftyfb> oerheks: from a vendor perspective
[17:55] <DynamiteDan> or does it include data?
[17:56] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: Synology drive is akin to Dropbox. Those are you personal files which belong in your $HOME
[17:56] <DynamiteDan> hmm
[17:56] <DynamiteDan> need to think then
[17:59] <DynamiteDan> prolly going to create a user just for that
[17:59] <DynamiteDan> I have had success using links
[17:59] <DynamiteDan> and that way users can share the data
[17:59] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: the proper way is for each user on your ubuntu machine to have their own user on your synology with their own mounts
[18:00] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: that said, you can always try bind mounts
[18:00] <DynamiteDan> it will be complicated cause I have the home on a zfs dataset
[18:00] <DynamiteDan> mount another on a folder in a dataset
[18:00] <DynamiteDan> can be complicated
[18:01] <leftyfb> I don't see how the filesystem matters
[18:01] <DynamiteDan> zfs is auto mount
[18:01] <DynamiteDan> it doesn't go on fstab
[18:01] <leftyfb> ok?
[18:01] <DynamiteDan> the /home/user is in a zfs dataset
[18:02] <DynamiteDan> creating another volume and install it on /home/q/SynologyDrive
[18:02] <DynamiteDan> means that a mount order must exist
[18:03] <leftyfb> creating another volume for what?
[18:03] <DynamiteDan> diferent nvme
[18:04] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: synology drive is an applications that syncs a shared folder(s) to a directory(ies) on your machine. I don't see where another physical drive/volume comes into play
[18:04] <DynamiteDan> size do matter
[18:06] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: so you want the synology drive application to sync everything to another drive/volume which you then want to mount into home directores?
[18:06] <DynamiteDan> I can do that with a link
[18:06] <DynamiteDan> just unsure what would be the best place to place a shared folder between users
[18:07] <leftyfb> DynamiteDan: you can use bind mounts within systemd that would first check that your /home is mounted first
[18:07] <leftyfb> symlinks have their limitations
[18:08] <DynamiteDan> well. Seems it is best to move the user home folder to a bigger nvme
[18:09] <DynamiteDan> and then use the small nvme as opt
[18:09] <leftyfb> if the majority of the space is going to reside on the bigger nvme, you don't need to mount /home separately
[18:10] <DynamiteDan> I will need to zfs send/receive to the new nvme pool
[18:10] <leftyfb> ok, so you're splitting up all your system directories into their own drives/volumes/partitions? If so, good luck maintaining that. These days it doesn't serve much purpose
[18:10] <DynamiteDan> and then create another pool
[18:10] <DynamiteDan> I don't do that
[18:10] <DynamiteDan> zfs has its automount thingy
[18:11] <DynamiteDan> it doesn't pass through /etc/FSTAB
[18:11] <leftyfb> why do you need opt on a separate mount?
[18:11] <DynamiteDan> space availability
[18:11] <DynamiteDan> the root drive is 250GB only
[18:11] <DynamiteDan> machine doesn't boot from nvme
[18:12] <leftyfb> and you have massive applications/data going into /opt?
[18:12] <DynamiteDan> well
[18:12] <DynamiteDan> I would like to have a build app space
[18:12] <leftyfb> good luck
[18:13] <DynamiteDan> thanks
[18:38] <jhutchins> !enter
[18:52] <Steeve> I've been seeing some new behavior out of # apt upgrade  on 22.04LTS systems that I didn't see in the past. Is anyone else getting instances of "packages held back" during routine upgrades?
[18:52] <Steeve> This sort of thing:
[18:52] <Steeve> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:52] <Steeve>   apt apt-utils libapt-pkg6.0 python3-software-properties software-properties-common
[18:52] <Steeve>   software-properties-gtk
[18:52] <Steeve> on just regular # apt upgrade or # apt dist-upgrade
[18:52] <Steeve> no PPAs, no funky dependency stuff, just normal stock systems
[18:54] <ogra> Steeve, read up about apt phasing 😉
[18:54] <Steeve> Thanks, will do - hadn't been having luck googling yet
[18:55] <ogra> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345
[18:55] <ogra> Steeve, ^^^
[18:56] <stoned> Hi, I created a bridge in netplan and now I can't connect to my virtual machines in virtualbox
[18:56] <stoned> I have a previous ubuntu installation in another partition, which are the network files I can copy to restore
[18:58] <Steeve> Thanks ogra, appreciate it! Good to know why this was happening
[19:08] <oerheks> Steeve, install software-properties-gtk, that pulls in the other 2
[19:12] <ogra> or just be patient until it is your turn in the phasing queue
[19:13] <oerheks> those 3 are free for all .. the heldback snapd got updated today here
[19:14] <Steeve> I was thinking about turning it off for production/work systems, but it doesn't look super well documented
[19:14] <Hash> Networking is completely broken after I tried to setup a bridge
[19:14] <Hash> I restored, now I have connectivity, but now I can't access my college website?!
[19:14] <Steeve> I will probably just leave it be and wait until the package comes through naturally
[19:14] <Hash> WTF dude
[19:15] <Hash> Hell of a day
[19:15] <Steeve> assuming that doesn't delay security updates
[19:17] <oerheks> sudo atp install  software-properties-gtk # and see what happens :-)
[19:18] <oerheks> or was it ubuntu-release-upgrader-core ??
[19:19] <Hash> Guys.
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> !details | Hash
[19:20] <Hash> Information hasn't changed, man.
[19:20] <Hash> You just have to spend time actively lookin into my problem.
[19:20] <Hash> I don't want to repeat.
[19:21] <Hash> Gmail is open in one tab. In another account, I open gmail for student/college portal and it fails.
[19:22] <Hash> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/ works in same browser. Open new tab, login to college website, click mail, it goes to: The webpage at https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/?tab=cm might be temporarilty down.
[19:22] <Hash> In one tab it works fine, in another tab, it fails.
[19:22] <Hash> Same browser, same time.
[19:22] <Hash> \o/
[19:22] <Hash> You tell me, you need Ubuntu versions for this?
[19:22] <Hash> Config files for this? What do you need from me, man, I'll provide it to you.
[19:22] <Hash> I'm seriously confsued as to why this is even happenikgn.
[19:23] <Hash> HAve you any ideas about this peculiar behavior?
[19:23] <freakyy85> does someone know a good server system montioring solution with web graphics etc. in realtime and so on?
[19:23] <freakyy85> which is easy to deploy?
[19:23] <leftyfb> freakyy85: try #ubuntu-offtopic for software opinions
[19:24] <freakyy85> ok thanks
[19:24] <Hash> All I did was to create a bridge br0 in netplan, then didn't like it, removed the bridge, now I can't access my college mail through gmail. Regular gmail is fine in another browser
[19:24] <Hash> I'm seriously
[19:24] <Hash> I don't even know why?
[19:25] <Hash> Why does computer do this kind of stuff to me?
[19:25] <Hash> :(
[19:26] <Hash> I loaded it in basic html view, that works.
[19:26] <sarnold> then it sounds like you should be talking to gmail
[19:26] <C4mbone> Anyone can HELP me? i've a issue with my audio control PulseAudio, i can't able my headphone, it doesn't show the option in output devices, only "JACK sink (pulse_out)
[19:26] <Hash> But it happened after I did the netplan thing.
[19:26] <Hash> So I dunno if that affected something?!
[19:26] <oerheks>  sudo netplan try
[19:34] <Hash> I have no idea what to do...
[19:34] <Hash> Nothing changed anywhere accept this netplan thing
[19:34] <Hash> Which I restored from backup so it's the same.
[19:42] <ogra> Hash, you probably have better chances to find netplan specialists in #ubuntu-server
[19:46] <Hash> Oh yeah no it works in windows 10 vm
[19:46] <Hash> https://i.imgur.com/biBkTL9.png then google chrome says, I'm on pause
[19:46] <Hash> so it wants me to login again
[19:46] <Hash> Then it gives this prompt, which I have never in myentire life seen before
[19:46] <Hash> Why does googel want me to conenct up my phone via wire to verify 2FA
[19:46] <Hash> Somethign is goofy and I'lm gonna figrue it out
[19:46] <Hash> This is now past the netplan thingy
[19:46] <Hash> Thanks man
[19:55] <jhutchins> !enter Hash
[19:55] <jhutchins> !enter
[20:10] <Apachez> do one need to run do-release-upgrade if you already have 22.04 installed in order for it to become 22.04.1 ?
[20:10] <Apachez> or is apt-get dist-upgrade enough?
[20:11] <leftyfb> the former
[20:11] <leftyfb> Apachez: cat /etc/issue
[20:11] <oerheks> dist-upgrade will do
[21:19] <pycurious> Can anyone let me know why this apt install is failing - https://dpaste.org/Ho3hq - and what is the correct way to fix this?
[21:20] <oerheks> 14 not upgraded.
[21:20] <webchat77> hi does anyone know how to fix a LUKS usb that isnt mounting after unclean ejection? it says something about superblocks error
[21:20] <oerheks> time to run apt update && apt dist-upgrade first
[21:22] <webchat77> anyone know please?
[21:24] <oerheks> webchat77, run a fsck on that luks device, e2fsck -v /dev/mapper/luks-ID  .. https://forum.manjaro.org/t/running-filesystem-check-on-luks-encrypted-root-partition-fsck/50506/2 and there are tons of other howtos
[21:25] <webchat77> thanks oerheks I have been trying the past few hours and looked at dozens of post, whenever I try something another error comes, when i do e2fsck it tells me to use alternate superblock but they dont work and just gives me same output
[21:27] <webchat77> then when I use crpysetup it tells me /dev/scb is not a valid LUKS device but it is and it is an encrpyed LUKS
[21:28] <oerheks> maybe it is beyond repair?
[21:28] <webchat77> I really need this fixed have so much files on it how can corrupt over just a ejection
[21:31] <oerheks> if the alternate superblock does not work, i have no idea
[21:31] <oerheks> that is your safety copy
[21:31] <webchat77>  do you know the command to test each alternate superblock
[21:32] <webchat77> without going through each one indivudally
[21:34] <oerheks> no, check what superbocks there are, with mke2fs, and use that on e2fsck -b block_number /dev/xxx
[21:34] <oerheks> old page, should be still valid https://linuxexpresso.wordpress.com/2010/03/31/repair-a-broken-ext4-superblock-in-ubuntu/
[21:34] <oerheks> if it does not find a superblock, sorry...
[21:35] <jhutchins> webchat77: Are you actually referring to /dev/scb?  I don't think I've seen an sc device before.
[21:35] <webchat77> sorry meant sdb
[21:35] <jhutchins> webchat77: Ah, I kinda thought so.
[21:36] <jhutchins> On the other hand, it's always fun to discover new kinds of devices...
[21:38] <webchat77> ok I used mke2fs to get th list of superblocks and there was 10 backups stored, and tried all of them with e2fsck -b but it says the superblocks cannot be read / are corrupt etc
[21:40] <jhutchins> photorec?
[21:41] <webchat77> please do you know what do go from here
[21:42] <jhutchins> ddrescue?
[21:42] <webchat77> is that the best tool for recovering?
[21:43] <webchat77>  I will try
[21:43] <jhutchins> "Best" is the one that works for you.
[21:51] <oerheks> why would ddrescue fix things when normal procedure does not give a valid copy of superblock?
[21:53] <jhutchins> oerheks: It might not, have you used it?
[21:54] <webchat77>  is there a way i can use crypt command to fix it
[21:54] <jhutchins> My impression was that it tried to access the data directly without reference to the filesystem structure.
[21:54] <webchat77> without it saying that it is not a LUKS
[21:54] <webchat77> or restore the header?
[21:55] <oerheks> ddrescue can make a bit-by-bit copy, but damaged sectors are untouched and copied
[21:55] <oerheks> i say it is damaged beyond repair. ..
[21:55] <jhutchins> Reading farther into the scrollback, I see that the data is encrypted, which rules out the chance of recognizable patterns, and pretty much means "restore from backup".
[21:55] <oerheks> jups
[21:55] <jhutchins> Also a reminder that any data you only have on a flash drive isn't really yours to keep.
[21:55] <webchat77> how does unplugging a usb destroy it
[21:56] <Psil0> lol
[21:56] <Psil0> only if you have valiable information if you just have random data, it never happens
[21:56] <oerheks> if you did notr umount it safely, this happens on ALL operating systems
[21:56] <Psil0> from my experience ha ha
[21:56] <oerheks> and encrypted makes it more difficult to restore
[21:56] <Psil0> oh yes you need to umount even encfs
[21:56] <webchat77> does ddrescue work encrypted
[21:56] <oerheks> no
[21:56] <jhutchins> webchat77: Usually because there is data that has not been written to the drive, and files that have not been closed, so that the data on the drive does not have a known beginning and a known end.
[21:56] <Psil0> i had to use umount for encfs partitions or "folders"
[21:56] <Psil0> back when i used it.
[21:57] <jhutchins> Umount, sync, eject, "Safely remove"...
[21:59] <oerheks> even a normal fast shutdown could cause this..
[22:00] <webchat77> there has to be a way to fix this
[22:00] <oerheks> we showed you how to use a copy of superblocks, but that seems not to work, sorry to tell you
[22:01] <oerheks> it is dead, jim
[22:14] <oerheks> thegodstool, please stop the namechange, thanks.
[22:14] <thegodstool> pardon
[22:15] <webchat77> please whoever can fix it i will send them $20 bitcoin
[22:29] <sarnold> pity webchat77 didn't stick around a bit longer, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/1979159 might be related
[22:29] <sarnold> granted, he didn't say a whole lot, it's hard to know if it's relevant
[22:30] <Apachez> do one have to run do-release-upgrade to upgrade from 22.04 into 22.04.1 or is a plain "apt-get dist-upgrade" enough?
[22:30] <sarnold> apt update && apt upgrade  should do the thing
[22:30] <sarnold> if you're coming from 22.04 it's basically no change at all
[22:30] <sarnold> just installing the usual updates
[22:30] <oerheks> sarnold, that is already fixed, no?
[22:31] <Apachez> sarnold: wasnt whirlpool removed lately?
[22:31] <sarnold> oerheks: I saw it being discussed a few hours ago, so I'm not sure
[22:31] <Apachez> regarubg 1979159 issue
[22:31] <Apachez> regarding
[23:41] <Apachez> where can I find online the default for /etc/default/grub in ubuntu 22.04.1 ?
[23:42] <arraybolt3[m]> Apachez: What are you trying to do? Is your version of the file corrupted?
[23:43] <Apachez> I want to see if "GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=" is included by default or not
[23:43] <arraybolt3[m]> Ah. I can get a 22.04.1 ISO and boot it in a VM and find out.
[23:45] <Apachez> but there is no online repo for ubuntu to find that out?
[23:45] <oerheks> os prober is disabled, standard
[23:46] <sarnold> Apachez: indeed, there's no easy way to find that out
[23:46] <arraybolt3[m]> Come to think of it, there might be. That's a good idea, I'll look.
[23:46] <oerheks> enable it; add GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub
[23:46] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[23:46] <oerheks> and run update grub..
[23:47] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: I was going to hork it off of Launchpad.
[23:47] <Apachez> since by /etc/default/grub lacked that after upgrade into 22.04
[23:47] <oerheks> there is no default grub config
[23:47] <sarnold> arraybolt3[m]: definitely worth a shot, but the maintainer scripts might muck with the file
[23:48] <Apachez> well something is generating it then that is missing this new default option which should be included
[23:48] <arraybolt3[m]> sarnold: That's a good point.
[23:48] <oerheks> should be? there are enough bugreports to make it disabled..
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, this is trickier than I thought, sarnold.
[23:52] <Apachez> oerheks: which is why it should be included to make update-grub stop complaing and stop throwing users of other oses under the bus :P
[23:53] <Xrb17X> can someone point me to some docs or my bestoptions for the following, I want to install ubu 22.04 on a desktop with mdadm and secure boot, i cant seem to find anything where i can do both. I have 22.04(actually may be 20.04 but im wiping this anyway) installed now on just a single nvme with secure boot. I am getting out of memory errorwhen trying to boot ubu 22 usb and it says online to disable secure boot if thats the case did they get rid of the option
[23:53] <Xrb17X> to even use it? Is it even worth the trouble from a security aspect?
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Apachez: The reason it was taken out was due to a security risk - os-prober mounts and scans through all attached drives for OS images, which is potentially a ripe attack vector. We didn't do this, the makers of GNU GRUB did and then we got the new GNU GRUB. Good for security, bad for multiboot, but thankfully it can be turned back on.
[23:55] <sarnold> Xrb17X: if the desktop installer doesn't offer mdadm installation, you could use the server installer, then install the ubuntu-desktop metapackage afterwards. I think the server installer should offer mdadm support
[23:55] <Xrb17X> should i use a server usb to do the setup since doing mdadm and just install the packs i need would that makew things easier?
[23:55] <Xrb17X> sarnold, :)
[23:55] <sarnold> lol
[23:55] <sarnold> :D
[23:55] <Apachez> arraybolt3[m]: if so then the variable should still be in there with an explanation as the other variables which are more rarely used
[23:55] <Apachez> just my €0.05...
[23:55] <Xrb17X> what about the whole secure boot thing?
[23:56] <Apachez> microsoft unsecure boot you mean? :)
[23:56] <sarnold> Xrb17X: I did something very similar for my own laptop (zfs on root way before the desktop installer offered it) -- it works okay, but I went for i3wm instead, so I don't have easy access to the control panel things
[23:56] <Apachez> explained by random defcon/blackhat tak :P
[23:56] <Apachez> talk
[23:56] <Psil0> 😅
[23:56] <Xrb17X> even worth messing with, the thing is I dual boot this is my gaming pc so have to run win
[23:56] <Xrb17X> :)
[23:56] <sarnold> Xrb17X: secure boot should just work -- it should just work on any ubuntu for the last decade or so
[23:57] <Xrb17X> yeah i havent had any issues for a while but when trying to install other day was getting that boot error on humbdrive
[23:57] <arraybolt3[m]> Unless you have one of those AMD laptops with the Pluton security feature, in which case you have to manually turn on the 3rd party UEFI certificate in the BIOS.
[23:58] <Xrb17X> no its a desktop gigabyteboard
[23:58] <Xrb17X> with nvidia card so have to jump threw all those hoops in the begining lol
[23:58] <Xrb17X> somethings never change


[12:30] <gary_poster> oops, again. :-/
[12:30] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb call in 1-iah
[12:30] <gary_poster> 1-ish
[12:33] <gary_poster> bac ping us when you are here
[12:33] <bac> oh hai
[13:10] <gary_poster> >> garage
[13:48] <gary_poster> << garage
[13:52] <bac> gary_poster: what's wrong with your car, IYDMMA
[13:58] <gary_poster> bac, it was car registration/inspection time, which was a catalyst for dealing with the fact that we don't drive the second car and (for instance) its tires had dry-rotted.
[13:59] <bac> oi
[13:59] <gary_poster> but we had to take both cars to the garage
[13:59] <gary_poster> yeah
[13:59] <bac> luckily NC exempts cars over 35 yo (which is opposite of what it should be for a safety inspection) so i don't have to take the rover any more.
[14:00] <gary_poster> lol
[14:01] <gary_poster> yeah that doesn't make a lot of sense
[14:02] <bac> gary_poster: would you have time for a quick chat re; danilo's branch?
[14:03] <gary_poster> bac, was about to talk with gmb.  Would now be particularly better than, say, in 20 or 30 min?
[14:03] <gary_poster> If so, we can ask gmb's indulgence
[14:03] <bac> nope
[14:03] <bac> ping me when free
[14:03] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[14:03] <gary_poster> gmb, I'm ready for call when you are.  Why don't you Skype me
[14:04] <gmb> gary_poster: Sure
[14:04] <gary_poster> cool
[14:27] <gary_poster> bac, gimme a call when you are ready
[14:33] <gary_poster> bac, did you have docs on how to test codehosting branches that you put on the wiki?  ISTR you did but can't find them
[14:33] <gary_poster> on qastaging I mean
[14:33] <bac> gary_poster: no -- i don't think so
[14:34] <gary_poster> ok bac, sorry to bother.  benji, maybe you?  or maybe I just made this up
[14:35] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/Code/BazaarUpgrades
[14:35] <benji> gary_poster: I... don't think so.  I vaguely recall something about codehosting, but I don't think it was that.
[14:35] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:35] <gary_poster> ok thanks
[14:41] <benji> I need to reboot.  I'll be back in a second.
[14:59] <gary_poster> CHR?
[15:24] <gary_poster> CHR complete!  Level up.
[15:33]  * benji goes to Windows to play games during lunch.
[18:07] <gary_poster> benji, my google-calendar-fu failed me: I think I intended for us to have a call starting 7 min ago
[18:08] <gary_poster> but did not update properly
[18:08] <benji> gary_poster: yep; I'm ready when you are
[18:08] <gary_poster> I need a bit longer of a break--I worked straight till just a few minutes ago.  Would you mind postponing 7 minutes till 2
[18:08] <gary_poster> 2:15 I mean
[18:09] <benji> that's good
[18:09] <gary_poster> the old "shift is too close to return" problem
[18:09] <gary_poster> ok thank you benji.  I call you then
[18:09] <benji> I answer you when you call.
[18:13] <gary_poster> I speak then.
[18:17] <bac> gary_poster: in case i get hit by a bus before i can get this migrated, you should bookmark this wiki page:
[18:17] <bac> https://launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadSubscriptions/SalesforceVoucherProxy
[18:17] <gary_poster> bac, ok thanks
[18:28] <gary_poster> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=346
[19:00] <bac> gary_poster: skype?
[19:00] <gary_poster> yes bac
[19:28] <gary_poster> bac, Terminal has a nice "Use option as meta key" checkbox in prefs.  I felt dumb when I saw it. :-)
[19:28] <bac> oh, cool
[19:28] <bac> of course i don't use terminal either.  just x
[19:28] <bac> i wonder if i should
[20:00] <bac> c
[20:00] <bac> h
[20:00] <bac> r
[20:01] <bac> n
[20:09] <gary_poster> :-)


[00:07] <jpds> newz2000: Sitemap link at the buttom of wiki.ubuntu.com is broken, should I file a bug against ubuntu-webiste?
[14:49] <newz2000> hi jpds, I think there's a bug actually. I've started creating a sitemap on u.c but it's not published yet.
[14:49] <newz2000> thanks though
[14:49] <newz2000> I'm gettig ready to go into our planning meeting for beta release. It's overdue but hopefully we'll find out what's going to happen.


[09:08] <chesedo> morning all
[10:54] <Kilos> afternoon guys
[10:55] <Kilos> QA  coffee on
[10:55]  * QA flips the salt-timer
[10:59] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos!


[00:05] <RAOF> hallyn: You* can specify arbitrary xkb options; ctrl:nocaps is probably the one that you want.
[00:06] <RAOF> hallyn: *: For values of “you” equal to “the shell that you're using, and AFAIK Unity8 has no UI for setting that”
[00:19] <hallyn> RAOF: so 'the shell' means 'the UI shell' ?
[00:20] <RAOF> hallyn: Specifically, “the shell” means “the thing that's linked against libmirserver and is providing your Mir server”
[00:47] <hallyn> no way to make it configurable by the user regardless of the shell?
[01:36] <duflu> Yes. I can use my mouse in 1000Hz mode with Unity8 now
[01:36] <duflu> Since Mir 0.21.0 got released
[02:13] <RAOF> hallyn: By default we *should* respect the udev
[02:13] <RAOF> -set preferences, but there's nothing stopping shells from overriding that.
[02:13] <RAOF> (I don't think we currently *do* respect the udev-set preferences, but we should)
[02:31] <hallyn> RAOF: hm, well lemme try that.  new to me
[02:32] <RAOF> It's what keyboard-configuration sets.
[03:07] <hallyn> Not sure what 'keyboard-configuration' is.  if it's the thing in the gnome gui, it doesn't have such an option (since like precise or something)
[03:12] <RAOF> ‘apt search keyboard-configuration’ ☺
[03:33] <hallyn> or rather dpkg -L.  ok so to my surprise that means that i should expect mir to respect *X*KBPOPTIONS :)  i'll try, thx
[03:40] <hallyn> no joy
[03:49] <RAOF> Yeah, I'm not sure that we *do* respect those options, but we should.
[03:49] <RAOF> Feel free to file a bug :)
[14:05] <dandrader> alf__,  how do I assign a value to a mir::geometry::Point.x?
[14:07] <alf__> dandrader: = mir::geometry::X{1}
[14:09] <dandrader> alf__,  that worked. thanks
[17:15] <alan_g|EOD> kdub: FWIW cmake runs each test suite in a separate execution. All the process start/stops take extra time
[17:16] <kdub> alan_g|EOD, ack, thanks
[17:16] <kdub> still poking around that one
[17:23] <alan_g|EOD> just use "make ptest"


[01:15] <TJ-> shay_shay: There are quite a fw nasty regressions in 3.16
[01:15] <shay_shay> s/fw/few ?
[01:16] <shay_shay> ok i guess i will just stick with the stable kernel for now and i'll just try the newer 3.16 kernels when beta hits
[01:16] <TJ-> There was some reworking of the PCI bridge reallocation which has broken a lot of systems with devices behind bridge windows
[01:16] <shay_shay> and if its still like that then i'l start getting scarred :D
[01:16] <TJ-> I'm sticking with 3.15.7 for now, too
[01:17] <shay_shay> not 3.15.9?
[01:17] <shay_shay> mine works on 3.15.9
[01:17] <TJ-> I've not built it yet
[01:17] <shay_shay> ah
[01:18] <shay_shay> well thank you for the explination
[01:18] <TJ-> I can reproduce those freezes you talked about in 3.15, with the -lowlatency kernels
[01:18] <shay_shay> you can
[01:18] <shay_shay> ?
[01:19] <shay_shay> i am using a lowlatency 3.15.9 and i cant reproduce
[01:19] <shay_shay> anything 3.16 and up I can
[01:19] <shay_shay> ...so far
[01:21] <TJ-> :) Ahhhh, consistency
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[15:20] <MoPac> Howdy. I'm troubleshooting a touch issue, and I'm confused about something. When trying to set touchscreen gestures with Ginn, I get "error subscribing to gestures", and they never seem to work. But searches seem to lead me in different directions
[15:22] <MoPac> E.g., maybe it's this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1317391 .  That suggests this workaround: http://askubuntu.com/questions/57586/how-can-i-disable-arbitrary-default-multitouch-gestures-in-unity/90383#90383 . But can I really manually edit Unity in this way without losing current functionality, and is that really a solutio for my touchscreen? My touchpad is basically f
[15:22] <MoPac> *basically fine.
[17:07] <pdo_fn14> Can you help me to force upgrading to utopic since I can't revert back to tahr anymore?
[17:07] <pdo_fn14> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[17:07] <pdo_fn14> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8021301/
[17:11] <pdo_fn14> Or maybe I must be in clean install right now?. For people who curiously why must in utopic now, it's only due to investigating the implied problem with Ubuntu for more than 3 years.
[17:16] <genii> That's a delightfully obtuse explanation.
[17:21] <pdo_fn14> genii: So totally what, do you recommending clean install or something?. I'm totally confuse
[17:26] <genii> pdo_fn14: Since the errors in that pastebin are pretty convoluted, I would recommend a clean install, yes.
[17:26]  * genii goes back to eating lunch
[19:31] <shay_shay> wow
[19:31] <shay_shay> :D
[19:32] <shay_shay> I hope that's not how I look when I ask for help