[03:31] <noaXess> good morning...
[03:32] <noaXess> if i'm on y website where any file can be uploaded, normaly only images, in chrome i see a "unknown" file type: http://i.imgur.com/UMEUTr3.png, with firefox on kubuntu it's fine..  any hint?
[03:32] <noaXess> the upload does accept only image/* mime type..
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:49] <bogdan> guys i have a little problem with my sound can anybodypls help me?
[07:50] <bogdan> my lenovo g50-70 laptop has a dolby sound system and on windows with properly driver it is very loud and a perfect sound. but with kubuntu the volume level is very low
[07:51] <lordievader> bogdan: Are the soundlevels maxed out?
[07:51] <bogdan> lordievader, yes
[07:51] <lordievader> bogdan: Hmm, in alsamixer too?
[07:52] <bogdan> kubuntu has alsamixer pre-installed or i need to install it?
[07:52] <lordievader> Thought it was pre-installed.
[07:52] <bogdan> i guess is not.
[07:53] <hateball> bogdan: it is a cli tool
[07:53] <bogdan> hateball, can you pls be more specific? im new in linux and i just installed kubuntu last night
[07:53] <hateball> bogdan: if you're using the GUI (kmixer) icon in the tray, you can rightclick it and pick "main channel" or maybe "primary channel"
[07:53] <hateball> I dont run on English so
[07:54] <hateball> to make sure you are actually adjusting volume for the right thing
[07:54] <hateball> bogdan: by CLI tool I mean a tool that runs in a terminal
[07:54] <hateball> !terminal
[07:55] <hateball> I've had some machines where kmix would by default try and adjust volume for the wrong output
[07:57] <bogdan> i guess is all ok
[07:57] <bogdan> but still low sound level
[07:58] <hateball> bogdan: what audio chipset do you have?
[07:59] <hateball> bogdan: If you open Konsole and paste into it "lspci|grep Audio" what does that return?
[08:00] <bogdan> do i need to use sudo?
[08:00] <hateball> nope
[08:00] <bogdan> 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 0b)
[08:00] <bogdan> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04)
[08:02] <hateball> bogdan: You could try overriding the volume by installing and using pavucontrol
[08:03] <hateball> bogdan: "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol && pavucontrol &"
[08:03] <hateball> Just... be careful it doesnt blow your speakers
[08:03] <bogdan> bogdan@bogdan-Lenovo-G50-70:~$ sudo apt-get install pavucontrol && pavucontrol &[1] 5021
[08:04] <hateball> bogdan: It should open a GUI for you to edit volume in
[08:04] <bogdan> pulse audio is not install i think i need to install it first
[08:05] <hateball> If it's a default install it should already by
[08:05] <hateball> be*
[08:07] <bogdan> well that means is not default
[08:07] <lordievader> bogdan: Did you remove it?
[08:07] <bogdan> do i didn't
[08:07] <bogdan> i think it just didnt pre-installed it
[08:08] <lordievader> bogdan: If you didn't remove it, then it is installed. In your terminal is there a command 'pulseaudio'?
[08:09] <bogdan> bogdan@bogdan-Lenovo-G50-70:~$ pulseaudio
[08:09] <bogdan> E: [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running.
[08:09] <bogdan> E: [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.
[08:09] <lordievader> bogdan: Pulseaudio is installed, and running ;)
[08:10] <lordievader> bogdan: So do as hateball says, install pavucontrol ;)
[08:14] <bogdan> lordievader, i just did. all ok. everything is maxed
[08:20] <hateball> bogdan: it has an option to allow overriding max volume
[08:22] <bogdan> yes to 150% i think but i think 100% is better i dont want to broke it
[09:11] <anoop> Upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 But have a slight problem with decorations
[09:12] <anoop> Qt 4 applications are getting rendered in old Oxygen theme
[09:12] <anoop> When checked Qt4 Settings, "Breeze" is not listed in "Select GUI Style" combo
[09:30] <kaza123> hi
[09:32] <kaza123> ./configure --with-mysql
[09:32] <kaza123> configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --with-mysql
[10:22] <bogdan__> guys i have a little problem. i did sudo apt-get update and it started. but i see there many lines ignored i dunno why
[10:25] <bogdan__> anybody?
[10:33] <yossarianuk> hi - will there be a PPA for Plasma 5.3 when 15.04 is out ?
[10:33] <yossarianuk> the powersaving features sound good for laptops... - i.e http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/beta-plasma-5-3-features
[10:36] <lordievader> 15.04 had 5.3 I thought.
[10:36] <lordievader> Don't think that Plasma5 will be backported to <15.04
[10:37] <Riddell> lordievader: Kubuntu 15.04 has Plasma 5.2, I'm currently packagnig 5.3 beta for backports http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/plasma-status/build_status_5.2.95_vivid.html
[10:37] <lordievader> I stand corrected.
[10:39] <yossarianuk> lordievader: Riddell: thanks
[10:39] <hateball> bogdan__: that's nothing to worry about
[10:39] <bogdan__> hateball, are you sure?
[10:39] <yossarianuk> Really liking 5.2.x also - been using it for a few weeks @ home + work - no major issues for me.
[10:40] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[11:18] <yossarianuk> what remote desktop software works with Plasma 5.x ?
[11:19] <yossarianuk> I normally use X2go (its great) but that doesn't work with Plasma 5.x (or gnome 3.x)
[11:19] <yossarianuk> what are others using ?
[11:19] <yossarianuk> (and not VNC as that is by far the absolute worse way of doing remote desktoping..)
[11:19]  * lordievader doesn't remember if he tested xrdp with Plasma5.
[11:20] <yossarianuk> its xrdp  windows based@?
[11:20] <yossarianuk> *isn't xrdp  windows based*
[11:21] <yossarianuk> i'm connecting from Linux desktop.
[11:22] <yossarianuk> (there is an x2go update soon for plasma5.x BTW - its really is good - the speed is like being local (minus desktop effects)
[11:25] <lordievader> It's rdp yes.
[11:25] <lordievader> Linux can do rdp just fine.
[11:58] <bogdan__> guys can i install steam on kubuntu?
[11:59] <BluesKaj> bogdan__, yes
[12:00] <bogdan__> BluesKaj, can you plz tell me how?
[12:00] <soee> download installer from steam site
[12:01] <soee> and run it, it will download and install all required files
[12:01] <soee> http://store.steampowered.com/about/
[12:02] <BluesKaj> steam is also in the repos/muon
[12:04] <BluesKaj> 32 bit only I beleive
[12:05] <BluesKaj> err believe
[12:05] <bogdan__> well i have 64 tho
[12:07] <BluesKaj> it will still run fine
[12:07] <bogdan__> i installed steam and now it tells me press return to continue
[12:07] <bogdan__> which is return?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> enter
[12:29] <lordievader> bogdan__: 64bit is multilib ;)
[12:35] <bogdan__> lordievader, i am not sure i understand
[12:35] <lordievader> bogdan__: You have both the 32bit and the 64bit version of most, if not all, libraries. Thus you can run 32bit application without problems.
[12:53] <Hairo> can i update to the 15.04 release from the beta2?
[12:55] <Hairo> or it's better to clean install 15.04?
[12:56] <lordievader> Hairo: You can ;)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hairo, upgrading is fine
[12:56] <Pici> !final
[12:57] <Hairo> oh nice, thanks
[12:58] <lordievader> Ah, a factoid, handy :)
[13:01] <Hairo> plasma5 is pretty cool
[13:01] <lordievader> \o/
[13:32] <anoop> kde-style-breeze-qt4 package is broken in my system. Any idea why?
[13:33] <anoop> The package is installed but Qt4 appliactions are getting rendered in Oxygen Theme
[14:01] <jubo2> New question
[14:01] <jubo2> *newb
[14:01] <lordievader> Questions are questions ;)
[14:02] <jubo2> running ./studio.sh ( Android Studio ) on Kubuntu14 gives error message
[14:02] <jubo2> 'tools.jar' seems to be not in Android Studio classpath.
[14:02] <jubo2> Please ensure JAVA_HOME points to JDK rather than JRE.
[14:03] <jubo2> I never learn these environment settings because there are so many competing styles
[14:03] <jubo2> or that's what I keep on telling me
[14:04] <jubo2> I have the 1.8 Java JDK installed I just need to know hot to tell the system that JAVA_HOME = ~/Java/jdk1.8.0_45
[14:05] <lordievader> Blegh Java.
[14:05] <jubo2> lordievader: Android app devel course coming up
[14:05] <lordievader> Doesn't make Java any better ;)
[14:06] <jubo2> I thought there would be graphical way to build apps
[14:07] <jubo2> then again it will not do bad to remind my brain cells of their awareness of using programming langs me I got 3/3 in course Java programming in 2000 or 2001
[14:08] <jubo2> lordievader: yeah, yeah, I hears the field that Java is rubbish and python is kewl and haskell and ruby is nice on programmer, not nice on electricity and time
[14:10] <jubo2> We gonna use Eclipse on the course
[14:10] <jubo2> that's.. good for us?
[14:10] <lordievader> Eclipse is kind of the defacto standard when it comes to Java.
[14:11] <jubo2> I want to work in language interpreting and translation but also do some billing of clients
[14:12] <jubo2> Last week I subscribed to a billing cooperative subscription. No cost of joining 4% of VAT zero billing + some costs from paying you salary and all the legally required payments
[14:14] <jubo2> I'm just really rubbish at programming yet I have lot of nouns about that field
[14:14] <jubo2> also lot of nouns in business administration study areas
[14:15] <jubo2> Salut Kaj de Blues
[14:16] <jubo2> lordievader: I gather the main Android simulator is in the Android Studio.. I mean no point in making many crappy implementations
[14:16] <jubo2> I installed some plugin thing for Eclipse that does some integration with the Android Studio
[14:16] <lordievader> jubo2: I must mention I know nothing of Android development.
[14:16] <jubo2> lordievader: how does one set environment variables?
[14:18] <lordievader> For the next command: SOME_VARIABLE=<something> <command>; for the (terminal) session: export SOME_VARIABLE=<something>; command
[14:18] <jubo2> JAVA_HOME needs to be set to '/home/username/Java/jdk1.8.0_45'
[14:20] <aterne> Is there a complete list somewhere of special things the main uid=1000 account the Kubuntu 15.04 installer creates has? Group membership's an obvious one, etc.
[14:21] <jubo2> lordievader: I need to put $ there right?
[14:21] <aterne> I have a situation where a clean install of 15.04 beta 2 (+current updates) can load KDE 5's plasma shell fine in the account it creates, but no other (e.g., an adduser(1) account with uid=1001)
[14:21] <lordievader> jubo2: No, not for assigning variables.
[14:21] <aterne> also, not root account, though I guess some GUI software checks for that specifically
[14:23] <aterne> So far, I've both rsync -a'd the default-created account's dir+chowned it to uid=1001 user with no improvement. Also verified that if I completely delete (all files/dirs, including .* files/dirs) from uid=1000 and uid=1001 account home directories in /home, the uid=1000 account loads KDE 5 fine and the uid=1001 account does not
[14:24] <jubo2> 'export JAVA_HOME=/home/juboxi/Java/jdk1.8.0_45' was the correct command
[14:24] <jubo2> with spaces around the equals sign it didn't work
[14:24] <lordievader> jubo2: No, it's bash ;)
[14:25] <jubo2> Now the emulator says it would like KVM so it runs faster
[14:25] <aterne> adding the uid=1001 account to every group the uid=1000 account was in (just via vim's search/replace in /etc/group etc) doesn't seem to help, thus asking about what else changes
[14:27] <jubo2> so apparently the 125kB download sized dpkg for Android Studio was valid
[14:27] <jubo2> this studio 1st asked me a few questions and now it is downloading the latest studio
[14:27] <jubo2> Soon I make cardboard sign "Not homeless but will develop Android apps for money."
[14:28] <jubo2> should all go well
[14:29] <jubo2> get a hat as well
[14:31] <lordievader> aterne: What are you trying to do?
[14:33] <aterne> lordievader: fix KDE 5. But, I've learned that IRC is often not really great for messy things. So I'm trying to get the clean simple stuff instead that can guide a messier debug process. But if you have ideas about why the uid=1000 default kubuntu installer-created user can load the KDE shell but no other users I've created (including root user) can, regardless of home directory contents
[14:33] <aterne> (matching/empty/etc), I'd be happy to go that route too
[14:34] <lordievader> How do you create those other users?
[14:34] <aterne> so basically, what I'm looking for is, what is the list of differences between default-created-user and any-other-user so I can fiddle them back and forth until I can replicate the issue and narrow it down
[14:34] <aterne> adduser
[14:34] <aterne> see above, I've copied group membership back and forth too
[14:35] <lordievader> Allright and then logging in fails?
[14:35] <aterne> Yes. Just kind of hangs. Switch to e.g. terminal session with ctrl-alt-f1 and login (which works fine) and watch htop and nothing obvious happening
[14:36] <lordievader> aterne: What do you get when you run startx from the new user?
[14:36] <aterne> (hang, to be precise: mouse moves, system works, etc, but the GUI virtual terminal gets stuck in KDE 5's aborted attempt to begin a session)
[14:36] <aterne> (it's not systemwide or anything)
[14:38] <aterne> ah, good question, hadn't tried that. And I'm not at that computer right now, so I can't. Separately, I tried setting up this in a vbox VM, but that seems to hang on install for some other reason. Not debugging that since I don't care except secondarily.
[14:38] <aterne> But I will try it next time I'm there
[14:38] <aterne> (maybe qemu will work...)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> qemu-kvm works well
[14:41] <aterne> will definitely to get things running. still, and I get that one of the basic troubleshooting things/frustrations from the other side is 'look, just tell us/me/etc your end goal, not the misguided subgoal you have now', but, well, an alternative main goal is to be able to debug any of this.
[14:41] <aterne> vs being kind of this black box that just fails, with no obvious logging I can find (yeah, I've looked through every file in the uid=1000 and uid=1001 users after clear them and trying login)
[14:42] <aterne> but absent that, well. I need a methodogy to poke at things systematically
[14:42] <aterne> *methodology
[14:42] <lordievader> aterne: Logs files ;)
[14:42] <lordievader> Logs files are allways the first step.
[14:43] <aterne> Sure, and I looked for them. Does KDE log by default?
[14:43] <lordievader> Err sometimes errors go to ~/.xsession-errors.
[14:43] <aterne> or is there some .profile or .bashrc or something environmental variable one needs to set per user, or is there a 'all KDE sessions everywhere on this machine log verbosely' variable? etc
[14:44] <aterne> Not in this case
[14:44] <lordievader> Wouldn't be surprised if you can let KDE log to the syslogger.
[14:44] <aterne> I checked for .xsession-errors. Conveniently, I had previously cleared every single file in those dirs
[14:44] <aterne> all .files and .dirs too, so easy to spot anything there at all
[14:45] <aterne> okay, so that's three approaches thus far, trying to enable logging, seeing what startx does (which might keep console output more visible, too), and getting qemu-kvm running
[14:47] <lordievader> Apart from kvm I'd say it is still one approach.
[14:47] <lordievader> logging -> running things manually -> strace. Something like that.
[14:47] <aterne> Ah, and strace is easier through startx too, can trace process tree
[14:53] <aterne> BluesKaj: http://wiki.qemu.org/KVM says KVM is part of plain upstream qemu now?
[14:54] <aterne> even though there is the qemu-kvm package, which I installed...
[14:55] <lordievader> KVM is the hypervisor, Qemu is the emulator.
[14:57] <aterne> Ah, well qemu is running the installer CD ISO apparently fine, but pretty slowly. Not sure if it's taking advantage of kvm
[14:57] <aterne> is qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom kubuntu-15.04-beta2-desktop-amd64.iso -hda kubuntu.qcow -boot d -net nic -net user -m 3000 after installing the qemu-kvm package a reasonable way to invoke it?
[14:58] <lordievader> ^ is the reason I use virsh ;)
[14:59] <aterne> Heh
[14:59] <stack3457> can anyone tell me the right package name for flash player in kubuntu 14.04 as sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin doesnt work out
[15:00] <darthanubis> install kubuntu-restricted
[15:00] <darthanubis> stack3457: which browser are you using/
[15:00] <darthanubis> ?
[15:01] <stack3457> chromium
[15:01] <darthanubis> thats why
[15:01] <aterne> Doesn't support NPAPI
[15:01] <darthanubis> chromium does not use flash
[15:01] <stack3457> then? :/
[15:01] <darthanubis> install perpperflash
[15:01] <darthanubis> pepperflash
[15:01] <darthanubis> !pepperflash
[15:02] <darthanubis> !chromium
[15:02] <darthanubis> !flash
[15:02] <stack3457> thanks ! :)
[15:02] <darthanubis> np
[15:03] <darthanubis> !pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[15:03] <darthanubis> pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[15:03] <darthanubis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/install-pepper-flash-chromium-ubuntu-14-04
[15:03] <darthanubis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Flash
[15:04] <darthanubis> https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
[15:04] <darthanubis> i love Google
[15:05] <aterne> "The design of the Debian package for installing Pepper Flash Player is similar to flashplugin-nonfree. The difference is that flashplugin-nonfree downloads just the Adobe Flash Player, while for Pepper Flash Player the Debian package downloads Google Chrome, and then unpacks it to make the included Pepper Flash Player available for use with Chromium." is quite kludgy
[15:05] <aterne> I mean, not Debian's fault, but...
[15:05] <darthanubis> thankfully it does not work that way in Kubuntu
[15:06] <bogdan__> can anybody tell me how do i uninstall steam? and wipe any folder or file in it?
[15:06] <bogdan__> sudo apt-get purge steam is not working thou
[15:06] <aterne> bogdan__: that won't remove the games Steam has downloaded in one's home directory, etc
[15:06] <aterne> So it depends what exactly you want to by removing steam
[15:07] <bogdan__> how can i wipe everything that belongs to steam?
[15:07] <bogdan__> i want to remove all the steam files and folders and cs game
[15:07] <aterne> It spreads around a bit. Look for a ~/.steam or ~/.Steam directory IIRC
[15:07] <bogdan__> that i downloaded from steam
[15:08] <bogdan__> bash: /home/bogdan/.steam: Is a directory
[15:08] <aterne> It also adds some menu items, *.desktop files, etc. It's a sort of messy/involved process to track down everything, but the bulk of it's pretty easy
[15:08] <aterne> yeah, so removing that. I'd check first to make sure that it's really Steam, and not something else important, though.
[15:11] <aterne> darthanubis: how does it work in Kubuntu?
[15:12] <darthanubis> pepperflash is not married to chrome
[15:12] <darthanubis> as chrome is not in the repos
[15:12] <aterne> Does the pepperflash maintainer do that step themselves, or?
[15:12] <darthanubis> shouldn't be in debians either
[15:12] <cup`ocoffee> bogdan__: the linux steam client and steamOS are still under development
[15:12] <darthanubis> you might have menat chromium
[15:12] <cup`ocoffee> it sometimes does not work well to remove it
[15:13] <aterne> darthanubis: I was just copy/pasting from one of your links
[15:13] <aterne> So that's what some editor of the Debian wiki wrote
[15:14] <aterne> The other major artifact of steam is that Kubuntu seems reticent to remove the entire i386 set of packages that steam adds, so I usually go back and remove gcc-foo-base:i386 (e.g., gcc-4.9-base:i386) to get rid of them. Slightly risky though, if one also uses Skype, etc. I'm deliberately not providing easily copy/pastable commands here...
[15:20] <stack3457> I am still getting adobe flash player is required in chromium , I did sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[15:27] <farshid> hi , im now use kubuntu how understand my graphic install secuessfully?
[15:27] <mewshi> Good morning!
[15:29] <farshid> who can help me?
[15:29] <mewshi> farshid, I'm afraid I don't quite understand your problem, could you try rewording for me? :)
[15:30] <farshid> how undrestand my graphic install in kubuntu ?
[15:31] <mewshi> farshid, I'm getting the sense english isn't your native tongue, would you mind asking in your primary language? :)
[15:32] <farshid> first language is Persian :D
[15:33] <farshid> sorry english not good :(
[15:33] <mewshi> Go right ahead and ask in that, then :)
[15:45] <farshid> im have problem with wireless and graphic who can help me?
[15:46] <mewshi> farshid, you're having an issue with the wireless adapter and the graphics system?
[15:48] <FarshiD_> im have problem with graphic and wireless in kubuntu who can help me?
[15:49] <mewshi> FarshiD_, what's the issue you're having with the wireless?
[15:50] <FarshiD_> disconnet and qus passowrd again
[15:51] <mewshi> So it won't stay connected?
[15:51] <FarshiD_> yes
[15:51] <FarshiD_> sometimes qus again password!
[15:52] <mewshi> Ok, do you happen to know what wireless card is in there?
[15:53] <FarshiD_> low signal and auth password again
[15:55] <mewshi> FarshiD_, could you run this in a command line for me without the quotes?  "lspci | grep Network"
[15:55] <mewshi> and tell me what it tells you?
[15:56] <FarshiD_> 04:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[15:57] <FarshiD_> 04:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT3290 Wireless 802.11n 1T/1R PCIe
[15:57] <mewshi> Alright, thanks :)
[15:58] <FarshiD_> so how can fix this problem?
[16:02] <mewshi> FarshiD_, take a look at this link: http://www.dailylinuxnews.com/blog/2014/09/install-ralink-rt3290-wifi-driver-in-ubuntu-linuxmint-elementaryos/
[16:03] <FarshiD_> ok thanx;)
[16:24] <aterne> ah, for the record, --enable-kvm is necessary to pass to (raw) qemu to get reasonable performance
[16:24] <aterne> it apparently took a full hour+ to install kubuntu otherwise (I have an SSD)
[16:26] <aterne> ... and I thought I had told qemu-img to make an 8G drive, not 5GB. hey at least I know how to run the installer quickly this time.
[16:32] <aterne> oh. I did. cute, 3GB VM guest RAM + 8GB VM guest HDD image ==> 8-3=5GB VM guest root FS.
[16:34] <lordievader> Swap?
[16:34] <aterne> Yeah
[16:34] <aterne> remaking it, with 20GB VM
[16:34] <aterne> (image)
[17:18] <hyperch> hi there, just testing kubuntu 15.04 daily in a vm and I noticed that I can't partition to a raid1
[17:18] <hyperch> actually, there's no raid option available at all in the installer
[17:22] <genii> hyperch: The only *buntu install I'm aware of which can install to raid is the server version ( and there might still be a port which uses the alternate install image as well, like lubuntu )
[17:22] <hyperch> I tried now the "expert" mode in the kubuntu installer but there's still no raid option
[17:22] <Unit193> !mini
[17:22] <hyperch> Unit193: is that for 15.04?
[17:22] <Unit193> hyperch: Of course there's one for 15.04.
[17:23] <hyperch> I see only 14.10 listed there
[17:28] <hyperch> ha, just copy the utopic link and replace it to vivid :)
[17:31] <hyperch> Unit193: hmmm, installer won't allow to make raid1 with 1 device
[17:40] <hyperch> Unit193: ok, I could circumvent that by saying there should be 2 devices in the raid1 but still only provide one... :) another question is, what's the difference between kubuntu full, kubuntu desktop and kubuntu active?
[17:41] <Unit193> hyperch: Mmm, all I know is I believe the Debian installer (like on alternates and mini.iso) do raid better than Ubiquity.  As to those?  I have no clue. :P
[17:46] <hyperch> Unit193: no worries, thx for the mini though
[17:50] <Guest91466> moin
[18:38] <wldcordeiro_> Is there a way to whitelist applications for KDE wallet?
[18:39] <wldcordeiro_> I use Sublime Text for development and it's obnoxious to enter my password every time I push to repos.
[19:04] <BluesKaj> wldcordeiro_, I just disable kwallet, perio, never use it since it's such pita for me.
[19:04] <bprompt> I don't use it either
[19:04] <BluesKaj> period
[19:07] <EvilRoey> HI!!
[19:07] <EvilRoey> is Vivid+1 going to have Linux kernel 3.1?
[19:07] <EvilRoey> er
[19:07] <EvilRoey> 4.1?
[19:08] <BluesKaj> dunno , EvilRoey, I haven't checked
[19:09] <Unit193> EvilRoey: Likely later versions, actually.
[19:09] <Unit193> BluesKaj: That's not even started development yet, how do you plan to check? :P
[19:10] <BluesKaj> Unit193, i guess I won't then ;-)
[19:15] <EvilRoey> Unit193:  ok, got it
[19:15] <EvilRoey> BluesKaj:  I understand that it typically skips 2 or 3 kernel revisions between *ubuntu releases
[19:15] <EvilRoey> Unit193:  ^
[20:00] <engineer> i need a guide towards customizing my Kubuntu 14.04 desktop
[20:01] <engineer> am totally new to the linux world
[20:01] <engineer> can somebody help?
[20:02] <bprompt> hmm
[20:02] <bprompt> customizing is ambiguous soooo
[20:02]  * bprompt runs 12.04
[20:03] <engineer> especially when you are new to a different OS
[20:03] <engineer> am running Kubuntu 14.04
[20:04] <engineer> but facing difficulties in desktop customization
[20:04] <bprompt> being specific helps, as in what "customizing" means in this context
[20:05] <engineer> please guide me as to what should i do first
[20:05] <bprompt> clarify to yourself what is it you'd like to do, that should be first methinks, then you could concise it to us, so we can see what you mean
[20:05] <engineer> i mean USING KWIN 3D
[20:06] <engineer> seems not available for this Distro
[20:06] <bprompt> kwin 3d?    not sure I know what that is myself
[20:07] <engineer> okay then is there any cool alternative?
[20:13] <ever__> hola
[20:13] <ever> ever
[20:13] <ever> asd
[20:13] <ever> as
[20:15] <soee> ...
[20:16] <hyper_ch> what's the difference between Kubuntu Desktop, Kubuntu Full and Kubuntu Active in the 15.04 installer?
[20:16] <engineer> hola Ever
[20:21] <bprompt> hyper_ch:    beats me, first time I've seen that
[20:22] <bprompt> hyper_ch:    http://askubuntu.com/questions/455178/full-description-of-different-tasksel-kubuntu-options
[20:23] <hyper_ch> bprompt: thx
[20:23] <hyper_ch> but what's kubuntu active
[20:25] <soee> hyper_ch: its for tablets etc
[20:26] <hyper_ch> I see
[20:26] <hyper_ch> thx
[20:26] <soee> it probably uses http://plasma-active.org/
[21:16] <Guest89608> has anyone here used Kubuntu as an ESXi guest with multiple monitors? I was using this before, and suddenly all of my monitors (but primary) are no longer recongnised in the system settings.
[21:17] <DustinNK> Using V14.04 with lightdm
[21:19] <DustinNK> My research has thus far come up with anything concrete.
[21:27] <evrardo> remove yumi help
[21:29] <evrardo> how can remove yumi
[21:51] <genii> !info yumi
[21:51] <genii> Hm
[21:52] <genii> !search yum
[21:53] <genii> Bah
[21:55] <Unit193> Humbug.
[22:39] <typhoon_2099> Hi, I'm having trouble sharing network connections. I've connected to my network via Wifi and want to share it to another box via my ethernet port. I've set up the ethernet as a shared connection but when I click on connect then nothing happens.
[22:43] <typhoon_2099> In Windows this is a case of highlighting 2 connections, right clicking and selecting "Bridge Connections". Shouldn't it be this easy in Kubuntu?
[22:57] <Finetundra> hello folks, is it safe to use PPA's originally meant for another *buntu distro?
[22:59] <valorie> that depends on the PPA
[22:59] <Unit193> Finetundra: Another flavor perhaps?
[23:00] <valorie> if say, is says xubuntu-ppa/something
[23:00] <valorie> it is probably fine
[23:00] <valorie> updates, or backports etc.
[23:00] <valorie> but some random crap -- at your own rist
[23:00] <valorie> risk
[23:00] <Finetundra> valorie, so if I wanted an icon pack but I'd need to add a PPA. would that be ok?
[23:01] <Finetundra> Unit193, Why?
[23:01] <valorie> sure
[23:02] <valorie> ah, distro does not equal flavor
[23:02] <valorie> ubuntu is the distro, which comes in lots of flavors, like icecream
[23:02] <Finetundra> oh, I'm stupid. sorry
[23:02] <valorie> unity, kubuntu, xubuntu etc.
[23:02] <Unit193> Only ice cream is much more fun to eat.  More so the coffee flavored ice cream!
[23:02] <valorie> np, lots of people think we are separate
[23:03] <valorie> but we're all one distro
[23:03] <valorie> Unit193: kubuntu is no calories though!
[23:03] <Finetundra> also, if I were to attempt to install a DE, but it needed a PPA from another flavor, would that break anything?
[23:03] <valorie> and still delicious
[23:03] <Unit193> Eww.
[23:04] <Finetundra> haha
[23:04] <valorie> you can use any flavor and any application  you want
[23:04] <Unit193> Finetundra: It all just depends, PPAs are "Personal package archives", so anything can be put in them at any quality.
[23:05] <Finetundra> so basically if it's from an offical flavor then It's probably ok?
[23:06] <valorie> yes, although there are still occasional problems if combinations haven't been tested together
[23:06] <valorie> but install ppa-purge package and you can always back out pretty gracefully
[23:06] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[23:06] <Finetundra> fantastic
[23:07] <valorie> I would only use edgers or similar if you are very sure that's what you need though
[23:07] <Finetundra> edgers?
[23:08] <valorie> once you start messing with kernels and drivers etc. you can mess up your box
[23:08] <valorie> if you don't know, just don't mess with it
[23:08] <Finetundra> oh, I'm not about to touch anything too important
[23:11] <valorie> then you'll be fine
[23:12] <Finetundra> awesome
[23:12] <Finetundra> out of curiosity, is there a kubuntu offtopic channel?
[23:13] <genii> There certainly is
[23:13] <Finetundra> sweet
[23:14] <genii> Finetundra: It varies in there from extremely quiet to moderately active :)
[23:14] <Finetundra> genii, sounds nice
[23:36] <Finetundra> I'm curious, what does the button at the top left of a window(using default window button shceme)
[23:36] <Finetundra> do
[23:40] <Finetundra> also, is this still the channel to go to if one changes Desktop Enviroments?


[08:34] <gnuoy> jamespage, is there any harm in having two network endpoint entries one for quantum and neutron ?
[11:29] <cholcombe> launching juju local containers over crappy hotel wifi is super painful
[11:53] <tiagogomes__> Hi, does JuJu requires Cinder to be installed when bootstrapped on OpenStack when some charms define some storage requirements?
[12:01] <cholcombe> tiagogomes__, i would guess yes.  Let me have a look at the charm
[12:03] <cholcombe> tiagogomes__, what does your deploy currently look like?
[12:05] <tiagogomes__> cholcombe which deploy? JuJu? I am not trying to deploy anything yet. I am just trying to understand if Cinder is required, because for some reasons we can't have Cinder installed in our setup
[12:05] <cholcombe> tiagogomes__, i see
[12:06] <cholcombe> tiagogomes__, i'll have to defer to one of the openstack guys.  I'm not certain
[12:06] <tiagogomes__> If JuJu calls "nova attach" i would say it needs
[12:10] <tiagogomes__> but on https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.25/storage, it says persistent storage is future work.
[12:39] <jamespage> gnuoy, hey - hows it going?
[12:46] <jamespage> tiagogomes__, to use an openstack cloud using juju, you don't need cinder deployed
[12:48] <tiagogomes__> hi jamespage. Thanks. So what happens when you assign storage to a service? Or when you run "juju storage add"
[12:48] <jamespage> tiagogomes__, you won't be able to assign persistent storage to a service without cinder
[12:48] <jamespage> I suspect the command will throw an error but I don't know definatively
[12:49] <tiagogomes__> jamespage so some charms may not work if they specify storage right and there is no Cinder service right?
[12:49] <jamespage> tiagogomes__, most will default to using the root disk if storage is not explicilty configured
[12:50] <tiagogomes__> jamespage I understood that. Bu what if f storage is explicilty configured?
[12:50] <tiagogomes__> *But
[12:50] <jamespage> tiagogomes__, tbh its such a new feature I don't think you will hit that today
[12:51] <jamespage> tiagogomes__, maybe in April...
[12:51] <jamespage> but not today
[12:51] <tiagogomes__> ah, so storage functionality is new
[13:12] <gnuoy> jamespage, good, do you see my mps?
[13:14] <stub> cory_fu_, marcoceppi : And the unreadable diff of the year goes to  https://code.launchpad.net/~stub/charms/+source/postgresql/+git/postgresql/+merge/282299
[13:15] <stub> Yay git file name tracking
[13:52] <tiagogomes__> Another JuJu question, can I choose the flavor that VMs will use for JuJu bootstrapped on OpenStack
[15:40] <tiagogomes__> Hi, is it possible to run the JuJu state server on the baremetal, whilst orchestrating the services in OpenStack VMs?
[16:21] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: ping
[16:21] <marcoceppi> tiagogomes__: technically, yes
[16:21] <marcoceppi> tiagogomes__: any reason why you would want the state server on the bootstrap node and not in the cloud?
[16:22] <tiagogomes__> marcoceppi it was requested by a costumer
[16:23] <marcoceppi> tiagogomes__: so, the bare metal and the openstack cloud would need to be on the same network, or addressable, and it's really more a hack.
[16:23] <marcoceppi> tiagogomes__: not something that juju was designed to do
[16:25] <tiagogomes__> marcoceppi they will be in the same network. Is there instructions how to do so?
[16:26] <marcoceppi> tiagogomes__: no, because it's really not a supported thing
[16:26] <marcoceppi> tiagogomes__: you basically have to bootstrap the openstack cloud first, juju add-machine ssh@baremetal; juju ensure-availability --to 1; destroy machine 0 from openstack
[16:34] <tiagogomes__> marcoceppi thanks, by "bootstrap the openstack cloud first" you mean 1. deploy openstack 2. bootstrap juju on Openstack?
[16:34] <coreycb> gnuoy, tiny mp if you can take a look: https://code.launchpad.net/~corey.bryant/charm-helpers/swift-mitaka/+merge/282337
[16:37] <gnuoy> coreycb, how can 2.5.0 equate to both liberty and mitaka ?
[16:37] <coreycb> gnuoy, I originally thought that was going to be a problem but it appears not to be
[16:38] <gnuoy> coreycb, I don't understand tbh. If I look up what release 2.5.0 is won't I always get liberty returned?
[16:39] <coreycb> gnuoy, get_os_version_codename() is called with the codename (mitaka) as the first parameter, and it then loops through the SWIFT_CODENAMES looking for the 2.5.0 that has 'mitaka'
[16:40] <coreycb> gnuoy, well, sortof.  actually it just loops until it finds mitaka and returns 2.5.0
[16:41] <coreycb> gnuoy, although there's a call to SWIFT_CODENAMES[vers] elsewhere that looks like it could be an issue
[16:42] <gnuoy> yeah, I think it'll break get_os_codename_package
[16:42] <gnuoy> coreycb, ^
[16:42] <gnuoy> From what I can tell it'll always return mitaka for 2.5.0
[16:43] <coreycb> gnuoy, ok I need to figure something out for this and I"ll get back to you. thanks.
[16:44] <gnuoy> np
[17:00] <lazyPower> marcoceppi pong
[17:09] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: I have some concerns about the 'subprocess run'.split() stuff
[17:11] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: do tell
[17:12] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.docker/pull/10 if any of those parameters have a space in it, there's a potential for breakage
[17:12] <marcoceppi> while, not likely in this scenario, it's a common pattern I'm seeing and I think it has some reprocusions
[17:12] <lazyPower> marcoceppi: Aside from scrubbing the input strings, suggestions on a fix?
[17:13] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: well, don't split the string, build a list instead
[17:14] <bdx> openstack-charmers: is there a best practice for provisioning multiple availability zones using the cinder-ceph charm?
[17:15] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14479145/
[17:15] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: the first command creates foo\ bar the second creates foo and bar
[17:16] <lazyPower> marcoceppi https://github.com/chuckbutler/charms.docker/commit/f19a0c67d6af5c9e2644451543b32838390d52e9
[17:17] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: thanks, not to be a stickler, but there's a potential for a breakage if the password has a space
[17:17] <lazyPower> np, good catch
[17:17] <marcoceppi> lazyPower: also, there's an extra space between [ and 'docker
[17:17]  * marcoceppi analretentive mode disabled
[17:22] <lazyPower> marcoceppi updated the pr
[17:22] <lazyPower> approve when ready :)
[17:24] <bdx> openstack-charmers: I'm currently deploying 3 extra instances of cinder volume to work around being able to have different availability zones
[17:24] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14479202/
[17:28] <bdx> openstack-charmers: by setting cinder_cross_az_attach=True, I am able to attach instances on hypervisors in an availability zone other than nova, to storage in the nova az
[17:28] <bdx> but it seems the availability zone have to exist in cinder in order for this to work
[17:29] <bdx> openstack-charmers: what I'm wondering, is, am I going about this right?
[17:31] <bdx> "seems the availability zone have to exist in cinder in order for this to work" <-- I deploy the extra cinder-vol charms to get these availability zones created
[17:31] <bdx> even though they are not 'really' used
[17:36] <bdx> openstack-charmers: these compute nodes http://paste.ubuntu.com/14479284/ cannot use cinder volumes unless they exist in cinder as well http://paste.ubuntu.com/14479280/
[17:37] <bdx> even if there is no actual storage backend in the az, they just have to exist
[18:26] <Prabakaran> Hello Team,  I am writing amulet test code for ibm-java and since it is a subordinate charm i am using ubuntu charm to test ibm-java subordinate charm.  For testing purpose i have downloaded ubuntu charm and edited metadata.yaml file and mentioned provides as "java". Here both ibm-java and ubuntu charm are connected via java interface.  Now here i want my amulet test code to pick ubuntu charm from my local location which is (/home/ch
[18:26] <Prabakaran> i want my amulet test code to pick ubuntu charm from my local location which is (/home/charm/charms/trusty/ubuntu) here i dont want ubuntu charm from charm store. How to achieve this. Could someone please help me to resolve this?
[18:30] <Prabakaran>  if i am using ubuntu charm from charm store for my amulet test while adding the relation ie. d.relate('ibm-java:java', 'ubuntu:java') i am getting relation error. Please advise.  Please find the 10-deploy.py code is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14479663/
[19:52] <bdx> charmers: is the packages option in reactive-base-layer usable?
[19:54] <bdx> charmers: Is this legitimate http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesbeedy/charms/trusty/fiche/trunk/view/head:/layer.yaml ?
[20:09] <mbruzek> Hi James.
[20:10] <mbruzek> bdx I don't know the answer to that
[20:11] <mbruzek> bdx: cory_fu_ or one of the bigdata charmers might know
[20:15] <lazyPower> beisner ping
[20:15] <lazyPower> nvm i see you're out on teh calendar
[20:29] <bdx> mbruzek: hey, thanks for responding ... I guess I should probably ping one of the main contributers of reactive-base-layer even ..
[20:29] <bdx> marcoceppi: can you comment on ^
[20:31] <mbruzek> bdx: Yeah I took a look but I was not sure what you were doing, I saw some fixes come in for the "options"  on base layers from the bigdatacharmers, kwmonroe, cory_fu_, or others
[20:31] <mbruzek> bdx: cory_fu_ and marcoceppi are in a different timezone right now, eating dinner I believe.
[20:31] <bdx> mbruzek: gotcha, ok
[20:32] <bdx> mbruzek: I'm trying to install apt pkg deps using the basic packages option
[20:32] <bdx> mbruzek: https://github.com/juju-solutions/reactive-base-layer/blob/master/layer.yaml
[20:33] <lazyPower> wait what?
[20:33] <lazyPower> layers supports package installation?
[20:33] <lazyPower> bdx WHERE DID YOU READ THIS WIZARDRY?
[20:33] <bdx> lazyPower: https://github.com/juju-solutions/reactive-base-layer/blob/master/layer.yaml
[20:33] <mbruzek> see bdx, not everyone knows about this
[20:34] <bdx> lol
[20:34] <bdx> darn
[20:34] <mbruzek> bdx: I saw a fix come down today, from andrewmcleod.
[20:34] <mbruzek> https://github.com/juju-solutions/reactive-base-layer/issues/21
[20:34] <bdx> mbruzek: totally, I'm tracking, and up to date with that patch
[20:35] <mbruzek> bdx: check out the layer-hadoop for more information?
[20:35] <lazyPower> https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-hadoop-client/pull/1/files
[20:35] <lazyPower> look at how nicely that cleaned up
[20:36] <lazyPower> kwmonroe nice wizarding
[20:37] <bdx> yea, been there, from what I can understand layer-hadoop had to implement the packages option
[20:37] <bdx> not use it from basic
[20:38] <bdx> mbruzek, lazyPower: is ^ consistent with your interpretation of whats going on there?
[20:38] <lazyPower> i think there's stuff still being fleshed out with it
[20:38] <lazyPower> i mean this landed yesterday
[20:38] <lazyPower> sorry 4 hours ago
[20:40] <mbruzek> bdx: I just learned about this now, so I would not trust my interpretation of the options, kwmonroe or cory_fu_ would know more.
[20:41] <mbruzek> but if what you have works, that would be awesome and I will look into this for my next charm.
[20:43] <bdx> ok, yea .... I see this (https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/issues/85) as well, the last comment makes me think that the override needs to happen bc basic packages option isn't ready yet...
[20:44] <bdx> yea, I'm pumped on it too!
[20:44] <mbruzek> bdx this looks great!
[20:46] <mbruzek> bdx: from what I read on issue 85 it looks like your layer.html is correct, but again I just learned about this today so confirm with marco, cory or ben
[20:46] <bdx> mbruzek: thanks, yea .. will do!
[20:54] <kwmonroe> hey bdx - is your layer.yaml not working, or is it overwriting other package options (the problem discussed in issue 85)?
[20:55] <bdx> kwmonroe: my install hook fails due to the packages not being installed ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/14480678/
[20:55] <bdx> kwmonroe: my layer.yaml merges fine
[20:56] <kwmonroe> fwiw, the big data charms are kinda tough to use as a reference because we used a "dist config" class that handles packages, so we're in the process of moving stuff that we used to do with our own dist logic to more generic packages stuff handled by the base layer.
[20:57] <bdx> kwmonroe: ok, entirely.
[21:03] <wesleymason> The charm I'm working on that was fine this morning is now refusing to install, dies at the initial bootstrap phase: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14480739/
[21:04] <bdx> wesleymason: rebuild your charm
[21:04] <wesleymason> bdx: already did, same result
[21:04] <bdx> wesleymason: it will pull in the new changes from base layer
[21:04] <bdx> should*
[21:04]  * wesleymason kills deps
[21:06] <lazyPower> yeah wheels die slowly
[21:06] <lazyPower> make sure you nuke your artifact and rebuild occasionally
[21:06] <lazyPower> its additive only, doesn't seem to remove older deps
[21:07] <wesleymason> strange, that looks like it accidentally pulled and older pre-py3 charmhelpers wheel
[21:07] <bdx> lazyPower: yea, is there a reason for that^?
[21:07] <wesleymason> as the basestring error should only happen for py2 only being run with p3
[21:07] <lazyPower> bdx removals are hard
[21:07] <kwmonroe> wesleymason: did you rebuild within the last 6 hours?  the basestring problem was fixed in https://github.com/juju-solutions/reactive-base-layer/issues/19
[21:08] <wesleymason> kwmonroe: I rebuilt, but didn't blow away everything properly, seems to have hung on
[21:08] <kwmonroe> yeah - a charm build without an rm -rf is probably not a good charm build ;)
[21:09]  * wesleymason burns everything with fire
[21:09] <kwmonroe> that's a known issue -- obsolete artifacts should be killed Real Soon Now, but my MO is to just burn it down every time.
[21:11] <kwmonroe> bdx, i'm working up a better example for pakcages in layer options (better than the big data stuff).. but i'll need about 20 more minutes.
[21:11] <wesleymason> so, while I wait for juju to bootstrap and charm to run, let me say that I'm loving the new reactive stuff 😃
[21:11] <wesleymason> Building an errbot charm with it: https://github.com/1stvamp/juju-errbot
[21:13] <kwmonroe> meanwhile bdx, if you're blocked, you can always do the old school apt-get install git in your fiche charm: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-ubuntu-devenv/blob/master/reactive/ubuntu-devenv.py
[21:13] <bdx> kwmonroe: yea, I just abandoned it in favor of using the layer basic packages option
[21:17] <kwmonroe> heh. understood bdx.  it's gonna be great ;)
[21:18] <bdx> kwmonroe: funny, thats what I keep saying about HA openstack service endpoints :-0
[22:02] <kwmonroe> bdx: i've tried to break this a bunch, but it Just Works.. not sure why package options in your layer.yaml aren't working.. here's my convert from an install hook to layer.yaml: https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-ubuntu-devenv/commit/c66183ce52e9cefe188af32facf5929406aacce5
[22:03] <kwmonroe> and the resultant charm ends up installing bzr/cvs/git/svn like i want
[22:09] <kwmonroe> bdx: the only thing i can think of is perhaps your layer.yaml isn't being parsed correctly because of the lack of indetion on lines 2-3: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jamesbeedy/charms/trusty/fiche/trunk/view/head:/layer.yaml  shot in the dark, but maybe try indenting those?
[22:10] <bdx> kwmonroe, thats how they end up after charm generate
[22:10] <bdx> or `charm build`
[22:10] <bdx> or `charm compose`
[22:10] <kwmonroe> :)  gotcha
[22:10] <bdx> ha
[22:10] <kwmonroe> i wasn't sure how picky the yaml parser was
[22:10] <bdx> kwmonroe: do yours not end up indented like that?
[22:12] <kwmonroe> well, now i'm embarassed to say.. i was looking at the output of charm build, but yes, in fact my layer.yaml looks like this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/14481219/
[22:12] <kwmonroe> *wasn't
[22:12] <bdx> ok
[22:13] <bdx> hmm
[22:15] <kwmonroe> bdx, can you ssh to the unit with the failed install and see if the other stuff was there?  like autoconf, make, etc?
[22:16] <bdx> kwmonroe: yea, they are not.
[22:16] <kwmonroe> bummer
[22:17] <bdx> kwmonroe: yea... cool that it works for you
[22:17] <bdx> you give me hope
[22:18] <bdx> I think there might be an issue with my layer.yaml getting parsed.... I'm thinking only the layer from nginx gets parsed
[22:21] <kwmonroe> bdx: i'm gonna try using git in my install hook.. maybe somehow the layer packages options are still being installed when the install hook is run.  i dunno, i'm grasping here.
[22:23] <bdx> kwmonroe: thanks.... I just `rm -rf`'d my trusty/fich dir and rebuilt
[22:24] <bdx> I'm hoping that does it
[22:24] <bdx> hoping that fixes*
[22:27] <bdx> kwmonroe: it worked for me
[22:28] <kwmonroe> ha!  awesome.. that's great news bdx.
[22:28] <bdx> I must of had a stale charm-tools hanging out in my wheelhouse
[22:28] <bdx> anyway
[22:28] <bdx> thanks for your help
[22:28] <bdx> and insight
[22:30] <kwmonroe> yeah sure - glad it worked.. i won't charge you for this session.
[22:31] <bdx> ha
[22:37] <marcoceppi> bdx: do you still need help?
[22:38] <marcoceppi> bdx: your layer.yaml looks good to me
[22:38] <marcoceppi> are you seeing an issue?
[22:38] <bdx> marcoceppi: I figured it out - looks like I hadn't `rm -rf`'d my trusty/fiche dir for a few builds
[22:38] <marcoceppi> bdx: ah
[22:38] <bdx> marcoceppi: I closed that issue in layer-basic ... my bad
[22:40] <marcoceppi> bdx: cool, there are some limitations, cory_fu_ and I are working on them this week
[22:40] <marcoceppi> but we're in GMT+2 for the week
[22:42] <bdx> awesome