[06:17] <Quintasan> Good morning.
[09:32] <jussi> o/
[09:33] <Riddell> hi jussi
[09:33] <jussi> hiya Riddell, hows things
[09:33] <jussi> ?
[09:33] <Riddell> nice and sunny thanks
[09:33] <jussi> I hate you :P
[09:34]  * jussi has grey clouds and not much light
[09:34] <jussi> share som sun with me!!!
[09:49]  * smartboyhw says good afternoon (good evening in 11 minutes:P)
[09:50] <shadeslayer> nice and sunny here too :P
[09:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :P
[09:53]  * shadeslayer goes off to try and figure out how to setup automated testing stuff
[09:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, great!!!!
[09:55] <shadeslayer> this jenkins stuff seems hard
[09:56]  * smartboyhw agrees
[09:56] <smartboyhw> I even faint at autopilot
[09:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you around for a bit?
[10:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sure
[10:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:07] <Riddell> hmm?
[10:08] <shadeslayer> well I don't think auto-upgrade-tester can be setup on EC2
[10:08] <shadeslayer> because EC2 doesn't have KVM support
[10:08] <shadeslayer> or so the internet tells me
[10:08] <Riddell> mm quite possibly
[10:11] <apachelogger> Riddell, yofel_, Darkwing: allegedly someone would have had to check whether microsoft holds a trademark on windows for them not to use the word allegedly
[10:13] <apachelogger> seems like a lot blah anyway because he starts off ranting how people use linux for bragging rights and not productively and ends the mail saying he'd not use linux full time because of wording in a legal disclaimr
[10:15] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, hmm what happened?
[10:15] <Riddell> someone sent me a moany e-mail
[10:16] <Riddell> and aaron's rant reached slashdot but I like the comments "I have been using Kubuntu -- the semi-official KDE Ubuntu -- for years. I like it, it's stable, and the interface with least surprise. It does what I want, when I want, and it doesn't try to "integrate" things that do not need to be, or should not be, integrated."
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ah o,
[10:18] <smartboyhw> s/o,/OK
[10:19] <apachelogger> ah yes, we did not see that one coming ^^
[10:20] <shadeslayer> kubuntu rant from Aaron?
[10:20] <shadeslayer> have not seen that episode
[10:20] <Riddell> https://plus.google.com/u/0/107555540696571114069/posts/HSL2C21DJt7
[10:20] <Riddell> a moan that they call it the same UI everywhere when the desktop isn't using Qt
[10:20] <apachelogger> rant about ubuntu phone basically
[10:20] <apachelogger> well
[10:20] <apachelogger> not even that
[10:21] <Riddell> although it's suspicious how canonical have been so helpful in packaging Qt 5 don't you think?
[10:21] <apachelogger> he basically just explained that canonical says it is powered by the same tech, while in fact it is not
[10:21]  * Riddell blogs nice comment http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/18/nice-kubuntu-comment
[10:21] <Riddell> s/explained/ranted/ :)
[10:21] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[10:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I reckon they want q5 for the phone, no?
[10:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, agree
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ./ ?
[10:22] <shadeslayer> shouldn't it be /.
[10:22] <apachelogger> lol
[10:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes, on the phone, and everywhere else maybe (but just to shut aaron up)
[10:22] <apachelogger> ah well
[10:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well spotted
[10:22] <apachelogger> the videoast was TL;DW
[10:23] <apachelogger> but I reckon the press is as usual overstating things
[10:23] <apachelogger> I imagine the statement was more along the line of ... they sell you one platform but it's not, plasma active OTOH is one platform so it's better and you should help us and not canonical
[10:24] <shadeslayer> heh
[10:24] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:24] <shadeslayer> As long as stuff integrates together, the end user does not care about whether the desktop does not use QML while the phone does
[10:25] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:25] <apachelogger> I don't think the videocasts are for end users...
[10:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, apachelogger Riddell want me to do calligra 2.6.1?
[10:25] <shadeslayer> fine with me
[10:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: go for it!
[10:25] <shadeslayer> I have to update ktp
[10:26]  * smartboyhw needs the access again..... (I sort of crashed my computer every 3 days)
[10:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the access?
[10:26] <apachelogger> interest in plymouth splash is .... sparse
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the tarbal
[10:26] <smartboyhw> *tarball
[10:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the what?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^
[10:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: did you lose your ssh key again?
[10:26] <smartboyhw> I don't have the tarball for calligra2.6.1
[10:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sadly yes... (Am I an idiot in these?)
[10:27]  * smartboyhw goes to bang his head on the wall
[10:27] <apachelogger> how is it that we get never ending bikeshed threads about the most useless topics and like 2 opinions on the boot splash that will be deployed in the next release? -.-
[10:27] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[10:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I'm voting for #2
[10:28] <apachelogger> send mail
[10:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/calligra-2.6.1/
[10:28]  * apachelogger wonders if someone will comment on the choice of color
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[10:28] <apachelogger> if not it will go :@
[10:28] <apachelogger> actually it will be fun
[10:28] <apachelogger> beause after release someone will complain
[10:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: done
[10:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, access forbidden (or do I must need rekonq)?
[10:28] <apachelogger> and then we can go like " uhhhh, public decision making you did not say no nothing, go away" :P
[10:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, 2 also
[10:29]  * smartboyhw sends out the email
[10:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: try now
[10:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Any 12:00 Ubuntu membership board members here?
[10:32] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: huh?
[10:32] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, you are one?
[10:33] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: what do you mean by "12:00 membership board" ?
[10:33] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, the Ubuntu membership boards have two: One is for 12:00 UTC, one is for 22:00 UTC
[10:33] <smartboyhw> New system:P
[10:34] <apachelogger> dafuq
[10:34] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ?
[10:35] <Tm_T> smartboyhw: no I'm not
[10:35] <smartboyhw> Tm_T, oh
[10:35] <apachelogger> let's have more meetings :D
[10:35] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[10:35]  * smartboyhw wonders why
[10:36] <shadeslayer> probably because some board members find one of the two timings better
[10:36] <shadeslayer> s/better/better suited/
[10:36] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "probably because some board members find one of the two timings better suited"
[10:36] <smartboyhw> :)
[10:40] <apachelogger> they still need a quorum at both times...
[10:42] <smartboyhw> It is a good thing that the DMB is removing Ubuntu membership for PPU
[10:48] <yofel_> smartboyhw: as in that membership was a requirement?
[10:48]  * yofel doesn't follow the DMB much
[10:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, no. The DMB normally gives Ubuntu membership along with PPU, that makes the people difficult to apply since they doesn't really fit the membership requirements
[10:49] <yofel> ah, makes sense then
[10:49] <smartboyhw> The LibreOffice maintainer is rejected (twice) which makes people worrying about this
[10:50] <yofel> yeah, I did notice *that* thread (like pretty much everyone else  I guess)
[10:50] <shadeslayer> who wants to update qtwebkit ^_^
[10:50] <yofel> you
[10:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, +1
[10:50] <smartboyhw> For both sentences:P
[10:50] <shadeslayer> no
[10:50] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:50] <shadeslayer> not me
[10:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, boo you
[10:50] <smartboyhw> LOL
[10:50] <yofel> you do, you just don't know yet
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Not me at least, doing calligra here:P
[10:51] <shadeslayer> that task is not in my lifes bug tracker
[10:51]  * smartboyhw is still downloading the tarball
[10:51] <shadeslayer> hence I cannot do said task
[10:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, more boo
[10:51] <apachelogger> you people make no sense today Oo
[10:51]  * yofel is wondering if he can just slap https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,46616 onto qt4 and be happy
[10:51] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, why?:P
[10:51] <yofel> it does apply at least
[10:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you think your thinkpad can be used for setting up auto-upgrade-tester
[10:54] <shadeslayer> i.e. can it take the load
[10:56] <yofel> well, it probably can to some extend. You might have to adjust some paths so it's not running that on the SSD or that'll burn out fast
[10:56] <shadeslayer> hm
[10:56]  * smartboyhw is really patiently waiting for the tarball to finish downloading
[10:57] <shadeslayer> hmm .. I could set it up on my own machine as well
[10:57] <shadeslayer> but ENOBANDWIDTH
[10:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, =1
[10:58] <smartboyhw> s/=1/+1/
[10:58] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "shadeslayer, +1"
[10:58] <sheytan> apachelogger: looks like we have a winer ;)
[10:59] <smartboyhw> sheytan, +1
[10:59] <smartboyhw> Theme 2 is the winner:P
[11:00]  * shadeslayer throws confetti at apachelogger and sheytan
[11:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[11:02]  * sheytan swimms in it :D
[11:05] <apachelogger> and now?
[11:05] <sheytan> now what?
[11:06] <apachelogger> exactly
[11:06]  * smartboyhw wonders what will happen
[11:06] <sheytan> now somebody have to put it into packages
[11:06] <sheytan> and i think it will be shadeslayer :)
[11:06] <smartboyhw> sheytan, yeah
[11:07] <sheytan> he likes this stuff :D
[11:07] <shadeslayer> no
[11:07] <shadeslayer> not in my life's bug tracker :P
[11:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, boo you again
[11:07] <sheytan> you make me sad ;(
[11:07] <shadeslayer> today is dedicated to setting up automated testing
[11:07] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, tmr then:P
[11:07] <apachelogger> sheytan: Oo
[11:08] <sheytan> was ist los? :D
[11:08] <shadeslayer> tomorrow is dedicated to phonon gstreamer and Netrunner
[11:08] <apachelogger> you think the theme is finihed
[11:08] <apachelogger> ?
[11:08] <sheytan> yes :D
[11:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good luck with that....
[11:08] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[11:08] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, you do that then:P
[11:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's all done
[11:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I just need to commit and merge
[11:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopLy2214.png
[11:09] <apachelogger> looks broken to me :P
[11:09] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:09] <apachelogger> also 4bpp verison missing
[11:09] <shadeslayer> ktp going up
[11:09] <apachelogger> also you did not bring color for discussion
[11:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: didn't know about that. Can you move the text down?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> who can QA?
[11:10] <sheytan> and remove the debug stuff
[11:10] <apachelogger> i.e. right now we have background 00000 and text ffffff
[11:11] <sheytan> so it's not bad ;)
[11:11] <Riddell> agateau: did you do merge requests?
[11:11] <agateau> Riddell: I did: https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-show-os-name
[11:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: dunno
[11:12] <apachelogger> if I apply the colors I'll not change them before release again
[11:12] <sheytan> do you preffer others?
[11:13] <apachelogger> I am not the artist
[11:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I want a EC2 to build calligra 2.6.1 can I?
[11:13] <apachelogger> I just want you to be aware that these colors are used almost everywhere
[11:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: sure hang on
[11:14] <apachelogger> broken driver's plymouth uses them, not so broken but still broken driver's plymouth also uses it, grub usees it, CD's boot menu uses them...
[11:15]  * smartboyhw then goes on for calligra-l10n
[11:17] <sheytan> apachelogger: why do you want different colors for all of the possible problems with drivers?
[11:17] <sheytan> do we want users to be informed somehow that way?
[11:18] <apachelogger> sheytan: I do not want different colors
[11:19] <sheytan> so what's the problem about?
 I just want you to be aware that these colors are used almost everywhere
[11:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/calligra-2.6.1/calligra-l10n/ was not found on this server...
[11:21] <Riddell> hang on
[11:22] <Riddell> smartboyhw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[11:23] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/673808
[11:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:23] <Quintasan> Think you can accept that?
[11:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[11:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: no
[11:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: use placeholders
[11:24] <Quintasan> I have no idea how to
[11:24] <apachelogger> they are used everywhere else...
[11:24] <Quintasan> I'm not changing anything that requires me to use the damn placeholder
[11:24] <apachelogger> don't care
[11:24] <apachelogger> use placeholders
[11:25] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopMJ2214.png
[11:25] <Quintasan> how on earth is aaaUBUNTULANGCODEbbb ever going to be 'ja'?
[11:25] <Quintasan> it's not a damn variable
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Hmm what happened
[11:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, got http://paste.kde.org/673832/ in byobu
[11:26] <smartboyhw> of the ec2
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: to ssh into ftpmaster from the ec2 you'll need to copy your secret ssh key up, you need to be extremely careful when doing this not to let anyone else have access, if you don't trust yourself to keep keys safe then don't do it
[11:28] <Quintasan> *shrug* it will probably remain in a broken state there
[11:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: from your local machine you can copy things from ftpmaster to the ec2
[11:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I am NOT sshing into ftpmaster..... I am bzr branching my calligra branch to build...
[11:29] <smartboyhw> And I seemed to also have a permission denied (publickey) in my local computer for this....
[11:29] <smartboyhw> s/this/ftpmaster/
[11:29] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "And I seemed to also have a permission denied (publickey) in my local computer for ftpmaster...."
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, XD
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Thanks!!!
[11:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh I see, that's just my script which copied my personal .bazaar/ dir to the server and confused it
[11:29] <smartboyhw> Oh OK
[11:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: aaaINPUTSYSTEMbbb -> subbed in the script to ibus-yourmom
[11:31] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: can you add my ssh key to your ec2 as well?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh why?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I need to check something
[11:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, OK
[11:31] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+sshkeys
[11:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: that would require me to add this damn thing to the boilerplate and would require me to sub nothing when language does not have a ibus backend
[11:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ftpmaster has your ssh key in the auroised_keys file, you have problems with<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:31] <Quintasan> how is that better?
[11:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes
[11:32] <smartboyhw> permission denied (publickey)
[11:32] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you can move it around in the control
[11:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I am bzr branching on ec2 later please:P
[11:32] <apachelogger> also it is reflected int he control where the package will be added
[11:32] <shadeslayer> eh
[11:32] <apachelogger> also it is how i works everywhere else
[11:32] <shadeslayer> use screen
[11:32] <Riddell> smartboyhw: try now
[11:32] <apachelogger> actually, let's use last reason as the primary reason
[11:32] <shadeslayer> or byobu
[11:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, got it!
[11:33] <Quintasan> I feel like it's a waste of time but I'll do it so it's not broken anymore
[11:33] <apachelogger> maintainable code ofen feels like a waste of time...
[11:34] <shadeslayer> how true
[11:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you surely want to rewrite the plymouth theme, right?
[11:37] <shadeslayer> no
[11:37] <shadeslayer> I like being sane
[11:37] <apachelogger> :(
[11:37] <apachelogger> # TODO: Implement this if needed
[11:37] <apachelogger> lol
[11:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I just wget the file from launchpad then   cat sshkey >> authorized_keys
[11:39] <Quintasan> is there a way to remove the whole line instead of cleaning it and leave an empty line in sed?
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh I don't even know how to add shadeslayer's key....
[11:40] <shadeslayer> what Riddell said
[11:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[11:40] <smartboyhw> Ok
[11:42] <Quintasan> nvm
[11:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, try it now
[11:43] <shadeslayer> nope
[11:43] <shadeslayer> you need to put my key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[11:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, sorry wrong directory:P
[11:43] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, try again
[11:44] <shadeslayer> yup
[11:44] <shadeslayer> thx
[11:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, is that it?
[11:44] <Riddell> someone killed screen!
[11:44] <shadeslayer> whoops, that'd be me
[11:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer's fault
[11:45] <shadeslayer> stupid locale
[11:45] <smartboyhw> Got it back now:P
[11:45] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/673880 is this acceptable?
[11:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you make the text light blue?
[11:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: $dfile it seems
[11:46] <apachelogger> sheytan: you can :P
[11:46] <sheytan> i'm not on my machine right now ;)
[11:46] <Quintasan> $dfile?
[11:46] <sheytan> i'm at work
[11:47] <shadeslayer> okay
[11:47] <Quintasan> I'm not entirely sure you want the aaaINPUTMETHODbbb anywhere else outside of control apachelogger
[11:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: EC2 does not have kvm
[11:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: doesn't matter
[11:47] <apachelogger> Quintasan: on that note perhaps aaaINPUTMETHODPACKAGEbbb would be better
[11:47] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, where's that branch that I can use for calligra-l10n upstream2orig?
[11:47] <smartboyhw> again?
[11:47] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:47] <shadeslayer> idk
[11:48] <shadeslayer> !find upstream2orig
[11:48] <apachelogger> upstream2orig?
[11:48] <apachelogger> wut?
[11:48] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, the script used for calligra-l10n
[11:48]  * smartboyhw has forgotten the packaging branch for it
[11:48] <smartboyhw> Hey cantata is in!!!
[11:48] <smartboyhw> -queuebot/#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cantata [source] (raring-proposed) [0.9.2-0ubuntu1]
[11:49] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: inside the packaging?
[11:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/673898
[11:49] <apachelogger> otherwise I reckon the packaging would contain a readme telling you where :P
[11:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: shame but not surprising
[11:49] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[11:50] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, yep
[11:50]  * smartboyhw has now finally got calligra building in ec2
[11:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: killing it and running make -j2 might make it faster
[11:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there's no dfile in that scope
[11:51] <Riddell> for some reason --parallel doesn't seem to do what it should
[11:51] <Quintasan> True
[11:52] <apachelogger> hm
[11:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you may want to create a function like mapUbuntuNameToDep
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, eh OK..... so
[11:52] <apachelogger> Quintasan: having the mapping down makes it harder to find IMO
[11:53] <Quintasan> I'm not entirely sure I want to bother doing that for 4 languages
[11:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you mean debuild -j2 ?
[11:53] <Quintasan> It's just a code, isn't it?
[11:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well 4 languages now ... if tomorrow there are 5... and next week there 6 ...
[11:54] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't know that, does that work?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> can you guys access http://shadeslayer.dyndns.org/
[11:54] <apachelogger> Quintasan: there's no gain from not doing it TBH
[11:54] <apachelogger> also
[11:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think it does
[11:54] <Riddell> "Hi there! Just the standard landing page, nothing to see here, move along "
[11:54] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:54] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: works
[11:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: the calligra stuff you added looks 'ehhhh' :/
[11:54] <shadeslayer> awesome
[11:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, confirmed
[11:54] <shadeslayer> that's lighttpd running on a Raspberry Pi ;)
[11:55] <Quintasan> apachelogger: TBH I don't even fucking know what that function does and I'm not sure if I want to
[11:55] <apachelogger> it's a pointer done in bash
[11:55] <Quintasan> ...
[11:55] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure I didn't want to know that
[11:55] <apachelogger> CALLIGRA=`apt-cache policy calligra-l10n-${kdecode}`
[11:55] <apachelogger> brrr
[11:55] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ?
[11:56] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I don't think you need to know as it is all coded up already :P
[11:56] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: spooky code
[11:56] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: out of interest, why not simply add a recommends for all kdecode?
[11:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: tell me why would I even try to adapt that abomination when I could just LOOK UP the lang code?
[11:56] <apachelogger> I think apt will not care if the recommends is not there
[11:56] <apachelogger> and to the user it's all the same
[11:56] <Quintasan> ibus doesn't even have 6 backends I believe
[11:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: all kde code?
[11:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: <apachelogger> also it is how i works everywhere else
[11:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: each kde-l10n-foo has Recommends: kde-l10n-foo
[11:57] <apachelogger> eh
[11:58] <apachelogger> Recommends: calligra-l10n-foo
[11:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so what mapUbuntuNameToDep does actually do?
[11:58] <Quintasan> from what can I see it changes the lang code to something
[11:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: with the apt-cache query you'd have a hard time building the source on stable for kubuntu+1 if that contains more calligra l10n than stable
[11:59] <apachelogger> if we simply recommend it on general purpose it will be semi-automatically picked up
[11:59] <Quintasan> oh
[11:59] <Quintasan> I see
[12:00] <Quintasan> but I don't see why I should even do this...
[12:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: it evaluates the string the input var points to (which is the kdecode) and then changes it when necessary to the ubuntucode
[12:00]  * Quintasan just can't comprehend why would you attempt to mess with the lang code unless it's really necessary
[12:00] <apachelogger> Quintasan: <apachelogger> Quintasan: <apachelogger> also it is how i works everywhere else
[12:01] <apachelogger> there's no messing involved, you are doing a discrete mapping from one fixed string to another fixed string
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't run stable :)
[12:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I do :P
[12:01] <Quintasan> The way you did it makes me shake my head
[12:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: it seems inelegant to recommend calligra-l10n-xx where xx doesn't exist
[12:01] <apachelogger> I agree
[12:01]  * smartboyhw agrees
[12:02] <apachelogger> but the way it is now it is prone to error
[12:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: and explain me, WHY would I have to do some MAPPING to see if I'm messing with the locale I want to?
[12:02] <smartboyhw> I really hope that the calligra build works this time....
[12:02] <smartboyhw> It took me several days last time
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: also theoretically speaking if we upload a new calligra we'd have to rebuild the kde-l10n to make sure it picks up new languages
[12:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yep
[12:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: <apachelogger> Quintasan: <apachelogger> Quintasan: <apachelogger> also it is how i works everywhere else
[12:03] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, oh really?
[12:03] <Quintasan> >also it is how i works everywhere else
[12:03] <Quintasan> Did you mean
[12:03] <Quintasan> >also it is how IT works everywhere else?
[12:03] <Quintasan> there is a huge difference for me
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, from a partical perspective I'd go with the ugly but reliable approach
[12:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: I shalln't stop you if you do it
[12:04] <apachelogger> okies
[12:04] <apachelogger> first the old plymouth script needs fixing tho -.-
[12:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: code continuity
[12:04] <shadeslayer> eh
[12:05] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/673916/
[12:05] <apachelogger> lawl
[12:05] <apachelogger> , stderr: grep: /proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory
[12:05] <apachelogger> ^ that looks unhealthy
[12:06] <shadeslayer> indeedly
[12:06] <shadeslayer> also, that's when building a vm
[12:06] <shadeslayer> so not a problem on the host machine
[12:07] <Quintasan> I REALLY DON'T GET IT
[12:07] <Quintasan> I REALLY DON'T
[12:07] <smartboyhw> !?
[12:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: what exatly are you running to get that o.O?
[12:08] <shadeslayer> sudo python3 bin/auto-upgrade-tester share/profiles/kubuntu
[12:08] <Quintasan> I might be too retarded but what mapping has to do with looking if the freaking lang code matches
[12:08] <Quintasan> I have no idea
[12:08] <Quintasan> really
[12:08] <yofel> ah
[12:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup
[12:09] <yofel> hm, missing /proc/cpuinfo would be a host issue though, as procfs will be the same everywhere
[12:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: does that file actually exist?
[12:10] <Riddell> hmm, qtchooser seems broken
[12:10] <Riddell> ⚡qtchooser
[12:10] <Riddell> qtchooser: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qtchooser': No such file or directory
[12:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: for all I care ubuntudep=$ubuntucode
[12:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: it does
[12:10] <Quintasan> mapUbuntuNameToDep ubuntudep
[12:10] <Quintasan> ubuntudep is a freaking variable, isn't it?
[12:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, then that's weird...
[12:16]  * smartboyhw is starting not to understand why calligra-l10n building needs that much dependencies in pbuilder-dist
[12:16] <shadeslayer> not to mentionhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UpgradeTestingSetup is slightly kaput
[12:17] <Quintasan> mentionhttps
[12:17] <Quintasan> new protocol!
[12:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: if you look at the first case you'll notice ethat ubuntudep != ubuntucode
[12:18] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I don't care? I still need to know the freaking value of that?
[12:18] <yofel> smartboyhw: it depends on kdelibs5-dev, which is rather heavy
[12:18] <Quintasan> I don't care if it's zh_TW or zhtw or something damn else when I need to know the value
[12:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, alright... Antway it should start building now...
[12:19] <apachelogger> why do you need to know the value?
[12:20] <Quintasan> HOW else I'm going to check if it's japanese, chinese traditional or chinese simplified or korean or russian or whatever else has an ibus input method?
[12:20] <Quintasan> There is ibus-anthy for japanese
[12:20] <Quintasan> ibus-hangul for korean
[12:20] <Quintasan> ibus-something for chinese traditional and something else for chinese simplified
[12:21] <Quintasan> and I need to match the ibus backend to the locale?
[12:21] <Quintasan> Still
[12:21] <apachelogger> depends on how that is built
[12:21] <apachelogger> wah
[12:21] <apachelogger> scrollfail
[12:21] <Quintasan> Did you even look at what I sent you?
[12:21] <Quintasan> I mean it SHOULD be obvious
[12:21] <apachelogger> yofel: cpuinfo not being there may simply be that /proc is not mounted
[12:21] <apachelogger> in a chroot for example
[12:22] <Quintasan> If it is not then I must be doing something horribly wrong
[12:22] <Quintasan> great, and it doesn't work
[12:22] <apachelogger> the amount of crying you conduct today is amazing
[12:22] <yofel> good point, now I'm wondering what that script is doing...
[12:22] <Quintasan> because you introduce problems which don't clearly exist
[12:23] <Quintasan> or at least I fail to even notice the possibility of them ever happening
[12:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: what's running as host OS anyway?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> ubuntu raring
[12:23] <Quintasan> like suddenly having more than 6 languages which could need an ibus backend
[12:23] <yofel> ...
[12:23] <shadeslayer> my actual machine
[12:23] <shadeslayer> on which I work everyday
[12:23] <yofel> oookaaaayyy...
[12:24] <Quintasan> >Note: build-l10n.sh will NOT under any circumstances let you build the packages if you did not push all commits, nor will it include uncommited changes in the build!
[12:25] <Quintasan> So I have to push something that MAYBE works to see if it works?
[12:26] <yofel> yep
[12:26] <Quintasan> Well then
[12:26] <Quintasan> Here goes nothing
[12:26] <yofel> you can always set up your own branch....
[12:27] <Quintasan> That's what I wanted to do
[12:27] <yofel> uhm, then just update the config accordingly?
[12:27] <yofel> config-l10n
[12:28] <yofel> shadeslayer: any idea what backend it's using? the chroot backend seems to mount /proc fine...
[12:29] <shadeslayer> hm, no idea really
[12:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/674048/
[12:29] <yofel> .S
[12:29] <yofel> *:S
[12:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: how do you propose I check?
[12:30] <yofel> dunno, lemme try this here
[12:31] <Quintasan> apachelogger: That really didn't make any difference save for different structure of code
[12:31] <Quintasan> really
[12:31] <yofel> ah, default="UpgradeTestBackendQemu"
[12:31] <apachelogger> orly?
[12:32] <Quintasan> ya'rly
[12:32] <apachelogger> good thing you whined about it for like an hour
[12:32] <apachelogger> while doing the change takes exactly 1 minute
[12:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: yet another bug in vmbuilder I guess -.-
[12:32] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[12:32] <shadeslayer> where is that?
[12:32] <shadeslayer> upgrade-tester@solembum:~/auto-upgrade-testing$ grep -iR default="UpgradeTestBackendQemu" .
[12:32] <shadeslayer> upgrade-tester@solembum:~/auto-upgrade-testing$
[12:32] <apachelogger> I HATE PLYMOUTH :@
[12:32] <shadeslayer> eh
[12:32] <Quintasan> the changes I did took me 1 minute but you had to create problems which do not exist in my opinion
[12:32] <yofel> auto-upgrade-tester line 310
[12:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yeah, they do
[12:33] <shadeslayer> I see
[12:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Please do notify me when we get more languages that NEED ibus-modules and adding another entry to the case would take more time than adding one to your solution
[12:34] <apachelogger> my solution is exactly the same as yours
[12:34] <Quintasan> OMG
[12:34] <Quintasan> THEN
[12:34] <Quintasan> WHAT
[12:34] <Quintasan> IS
[12:34] <Quintasan> THE
[12:34] <Quintasan> PROBLEM
[12:34] <Quintasan> >_<
[12:34] <apachelogger> your solution did not integrate with the remaining code
[12:35] <Quintasan> nor does the CALLIGRA magic
[12:35] <Quintasan> how is that a valid problem?
[12:35] <Quintasan> either ways
[12:35] <Quintasan> if you did that then you might as well as commit it and I can try testing that
[12:35] <Quintasan> to see
[12:35] <Quintasan> if it solves the problem
[12:36] <Quintasan> the less time we waste here the better
[12:36] <apachelogger> as if that mattered at this point
[12:36] <apachelogger> can't commit because I am not working on it right now
[12:36] <shadeslayer> roflwot
[12:36] <Quintasan> you already sent me the diff...
[12:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/674060/
[12:37] <yofel> @_@
[12:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for you to test
[12:38] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer: you guys seriously need to stop using python software :P
[12:38] <Quintasan> we seriously should stop WRITING that software
[12:38] <shadeslayer> ^
[12:38] <Quintasan> if it is dangerous to use it
[12:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/674066
[12:38] <yofel> I'm on quantal though
[12:38] <Quintasan> then how do you describe how it is to write the said software?
[12:39] <shadeslayer> .
[12:39] <shadeslayer> :\
[12:39] <yofel> python++
[12:39]  * yofel ducks
[12:39] <shadeslayer> JU*USD*(&^@*&*###@
[12:39] <yofel> :D
[12:39] <apachelogger> plymouth > python
[12:39] <Quintasan> * > python > php
[12:39] <shadeslayer> !info qemu raring
[12:39] <yofel> * > python > perl > php
[12:40] <shadeslayer> C++ rules them all
[12:41] <yofel> do we have a terminal JS interpreter?
[12:41] <Darkwing> Morning
[12:41] <yofel> hi Darkwing
[12:41] <Quintasan> Darkwing: \o
[12:41] <Darkwing> How is everything?
[12:42] <apachelogger> this plymouth script is like a copy'n'paste parade :@
[12:42] <apachelogger> Darkwing: good morning
[12:42] <Darkwing> :D
[12:42] <yofel> Darkwing: we're still trying to figure out wither broken or broken++ sounds better
[12:42] <yofel> *whether
[12:42] <Darkwing> Broken++
[12:42] <Darkwing> Or, Busted++
[12:43] <Quintasan> Darkwing: not really, it's either Python or Python
[12:43] <Quintasan> Doesn't make any difference
[12:43] <Quintasan> :P
[12:43] <Darkwing> Pythorn?
[12:43] <yofel> nono, there is python and python, and then there's python3
[12:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger would say pyth0rn
[12:43] <Darkwing> It's better than anything writted in Derpal erm...  I delete it, setup an IMAP using the same settings and it works the second time...
[12:47] <yofel> E: Unable to locate package kubuntu-desktop
[12:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: that was not in the paste
[12:51] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:51] <yofel> it was, line 945
[12:51]  * smartboyhw is adding the huge number of .orig.tar.bz2 to the callligra-l10n sponsorship bug
[12:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: line 945? paste only loads till line 17
[12:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw what exactly provides the chroot backend?
[12:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah, because I'm pasting wrong pastes, sorry
[12:53] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/674084/
[12:53] <shadeslayer> now that's hilarious
[12:54] <yofel> AutoUpgradeTester/UpgradeTestBackendChroot.py
[12:54] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[12:55] <Quintasan> ...
[12:55] <yofel> oh, that actually makes perfect sense
[12:55] <yofel> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal main restricted
[12:55] <yofel> grrrrr
[12:55] <Quintasan> dpkg-source: błąd: błąd składni w kde-l10n-nds-4.10.0/debian/control w linii 33: block lacks the 'Package' field
[12:55] <Quintasan> dpkg-buildpackage: błąd: dpkg-source --before-build kde-l10n-nds-4.10.0 zwrócił status błędu 255
[12:56] <Quintasan> That's not normal...
[12:57] <yofel> ok, let's try again
[12:57] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you run setup.py?
[12:58] <yofel> no
[12:58] <shadeslayer> okay
[12:58] <yofel> let's see if I fixed this right
[12:58] <apachelogger> talking about fixy
[12:59] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Try guessing what happened
[12:59] <apachelogger> a bomb explosion?
[12:59] <Quintasan> More or less
[13:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Every langpack other than the ones I was supposed to modify exploded
[13:00] <Quintasan> ie. they don't build
[13:00] <Quintasan> and I think I know why
[13:00] <apachelogger> I know too
[13:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Proposed solution?
[13:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/674114
[13:01] <apachelogger> change the sed to drop the line when empty
[13:01] <Quintasan> yup
[13:01] <Quintasan> besides
[13:01] <Quintasan> the eval is ugly as hell
[13:01] <Quintasan> eval "$1=\",ibus-hangul\"";;
[13:01] <Quintasan> >,
[13:01] <Quintasan> >,
[13:01] <Quintasan> really?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: fun thing, if I modify the defaults base dir it'll stop working
[13:01] <apachelogger> or if [ -n $whatevervarnametherewas ]; sed-drop; else sed-sub; fi
[13:02] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hm?
[13:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: where?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> share/profiles/defaults.cfg.d/defaults.cfg
[13:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you prepend , to the damn ibus backend and it looks REALLY unprofessional
[13:02] <Quintasan> like
[13:03] <Quintasan> "sup I was too lazy to change the control file" type
[13:03] <Quintasan> :P
[13:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: config rm newpackage from plugins.blacklist
[13:03] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug, quiz, forecast
[13:03] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[13:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[13:03] <kubotu> saving ...
[13:03] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, any time please help to sponsor calligra-l10n with Bug 1129047
[13:03] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load
[13:04] <apachelogger> Quintasan: hm?
[13:04] <Riddell> thanks smartboyhw!
[13:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: newpackage apachelogger 2.0
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[13:05] <Quintasan> ...
[13:05] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1129072
[13:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm nitpicking small stuff
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Why do we need to package apachelogger !?!?!?:P
[13:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan: k
[13:05] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: He wants one on us to go insane when writing debian/rules for him
[13:05] <Quintasan> of*
[13:05] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, why?
[13:06] <apachelogger> yofel: it worx
[13:06] <yofel> \o/
[13:06] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: apachelogger probably uses qmake to compile himself
[13:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, LOL
[13:06] <shadeslayer> you mean qbs
[13:07] <shadeslayer> the new build tool from the people over at Qt
[13:07]  * Quintasan still has problems sleeping when he thinks of qtscriptgenerator
[13:07] <yofel> no, he uses supreme project neon buildsystem, which is supreme gnu make + perl
[13:07] <Quintasan> yofel: It doesn't work
[13:07] <Quintasan> :D
[13:07] <Quintasan> wait
[13:07] <yofel> HEY!
[13:07] <yofel> me haz no bug reports ;P
[13:07] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't mean the  old one?
[13:07] <Quintasan> The new one is good
[13:08] <Quintasan> besides
[13:08] <Quintasan> it's not qmake
[13:08] <yofel> nono, the current one
[13:08] <Quintasan> so it's k
[13:08] <yofel> please don't be reminding me of the early days
[13:08] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/561001/
[13:08] <Quintasan> >void pretendToBeWorking();
[13:08] <Quintasan> THAT'S PROBABLY
[13:09] <yofel> nono, that's "def pretendToBeWorking():", if you use a sane language that might actually work
[13:09] <Quintasan> for (;;) { pretendToBeWorking(); } in main.cpp
[13:09] <apachelogger> roflmao
[13:09] <apachelogger> sane language
[13:09] <Quintasan> boring
[13:09] <Quintasan> auto pretendToBeWorking();
[13:10] <yofel> :D
[13:10] <shadeslayer> huzzah, stuff is happening with the chroot one
[13:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[13:10] <kubotu> saving ...
[13:10] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[13:10] <Quintasan> in my case it would return boolean but apachelogger's implementation it's void
[13:10] <shadeslayer> s/one/backend/
[13:10] <Quintasan> *shrug*
[13:10] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 58 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load
[13:10]  * smartboyhw wonders which one failed to load
[13:11] <Quintasan> apachelogger: What are you fixing now?
[13:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer
[13:11] <Quintasan> That's not possible and you know it.
[13:11] <shadeslayer> I have no bugs :?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> :>
[13:11] <apachelogger> you broke my plymouth
[13:11] <apachelogger> and claim to have no bugs
[13:11] <apachelogger> yeah sure
[13:11] <apachelogger> ...
[13:11] <shadeslayer> what
[13:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: As in "He is is broken beyond being repairable"
[13:12] <Quintasan> :P
[13:12] <shadeslayer> I did not touch that POS
[13:12] <Quintasan> Piece Of Supremecode?
[13:12] <Quintasan> :D
[13:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I blame apachelogger for introducing bugs in me
[13:12] <shadeslayer> over the last 4 years
[13:12] <shadeslayer> so please be reporting bugs in apachelogger's bug tracker
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: I modified the defaults so that it stores stuff in /home/upgrade-tester
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: but it still needed sudo
[13:13] <shadeslayer> which is why it kept failing
[13:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: The main problem is that his bug tracker is on lunchpad and it timeouts
[13:13] <yofel> chroot will need sudo, can't do anything about that
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:13] <yofel> I wonder if they intend to maintain all profiles in that branch.
[13:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that sounds all kinds of dirty
[13:14] <apachelogger> bug #1: inappropriate talk
[13:14] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:14] <Quintasan> nope.avi
[13:14] <apachelogger> ubottu: wrong!
[13:14] <apachelogger> clearly
[13:14] <smartboyhw> Bug #1 is great!!!
[13:14] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:14] <Quintasan> bug #2 apachelogger is permamently invoking pretendToBeWorking()
[13:14] <smartboyhw> Really!?
[13:15] <smartboyhw> Bug #3
[13:15] <apachelogger> for (;;) { pretendToBeWorking(); } in main.cpp
[13:15] <apachelogger> like that? because that will not work
[13:15] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:15] <apachelogger> alas, no object
[13:15] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[13:15] <apachelogger> kthxbai
[13:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: you know what this means
[13:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: this means we can use EC2 :D
[13:15] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopFg2214.png
[13:15] <apachelogger> I repaired it
[13:15] <yofel> oh
[13:15] <yofel> \o/
[13:15] <shadeslayer> because no stupid kvm stuff
[13:15] <apachelogger> to be  alittle less broken
[13:16] <yofel> shadeslayer: or any cheap VPS for that matter
[13:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:16] <shadeslayer> true
[13:16] <yofel> would be cool for regular tests
[13:16] <shadeslayer> even on the 15 USD vps I have
[13:16] <shadeslayer> as long as stuff doesn't become huge
[13:17] <shadeslayer> I only have 15 GB's of space
[13:17] <Quintasan> store stuff in our neon ppa
[13:17] <Quintasan> xD
[13:17] <yofel> our default install isn't that large but it needs more testing
[13:17] <shadeslayer> ...
[13:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah
[13:18] <Darkwing> Hmmz.. I can't get ubuntu to boot on my N7
[13:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: IT'S NOT LIKE WE LACK SPACE, DO WE?
[13:18] <Riddell> Darkwing: using daily images?
[13:18] <yofel> Quintasan: WRONG PURPOSE!
[13:18] <shadeslayer> god damnit why does this cursor blink
[13:18] <Quintasan> yofel: MINOR and IRRELEVANT details
[13:18] <Quintasan> :P
[13:18] <Darkwing> Riddell: Yes
[13:18] <apachelogger> global.palette = [];
[13:18] <Riddell> Darkwing: maybe the daily image is broken, check with ogra
[13:19] <apachelogger> I am now rewriting qml in plymouth
[13:19] <apachelogger> halp
[13:19] <Darkwing> Feb 16 and Feb 17 Images went through the splash and then nothing.
[13:19] <Quintasan> wha
[13:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger: stop
[13:19] <Quintasan> stop pls
[13:19] <Quintasan> this is going to be worse than broken++
[13:19] <Quintasan> broken+++++ ?
[13:19] <apachelogger> you clearly have not seen the code
[13:19] <Riddell> Darkwing: I've got imgaes from jan 30th I know work
[13:19] <Quintasan> After that build script I'm not sure I want to see it
[13:19] <apachelogger> the fact that it was not broken before is pure luck
[13:20] <apachelogger> it has like 3000 global variables
[13:20] <Darkwing> Riddell: you have them uploaded somewhere?
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Darkwing I think that is a known bug or something, it's been posted on Ubuntu Forums
[13:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: do you have plans for the profiles yet? i.e. have our own branch and regularily merge upstream or get upstream access from the start?
[13:20] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: Thanks
[13:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: Any progress on the bsns cards?
[13:20]  * Quintasan tests the damn langpack
[13:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: well, we should atleast merge the components patch you posted
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, ubuntuforums link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2116406
[13:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah, I'll file a merge request later
[13:21] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, old image: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2011403
[13:21] <shadeslayer> apart from that I don't think we can get this running on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:21]  * Darkwing sighs
[13:21] <Riddell> Darkwing: uploading now to http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/
[13:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: bsns?
[13:22] <Riddell> oh business
[13:22] <Quintasan> yeah
[13:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: well someone needs to make the files so I can send them to the printer
[13:22] <Darkwing> I *Was* looking forward to testing Ubuntu on my Galaxy Nexus but... I have a funny feeling that there will be NO CDMA/LTE support and only GSM.
[13:23] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Enjoy your American *standards*
[13:23] <Quintasan> ;P
[13:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: LTE is used in europe too
[13:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: Where in Europe?
[13:23] <Darkwing> Quintasan: No... just Verizon wireless or...
[13:23] <Darkwing> Rogers
[13:23] <Quintasan> Not here for sure :P
[13:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: probably not. I was just thinking that because there are so many profiles there. But on a 2nd look the flavour profiles are all builderplates
[13:23] <yofel> *boilerplates
[13:24] <Darkwing> It's okay. I'm waiting for my Nexus 7 and I'm switching wireless carriers.
[13:24]  * yofel rebuilds himslef
[13:24] <yofel> argh
[13:24] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:24] <yofel> nvm
[13:24] <Darkwing> Nexus 4 rather
[13:24]  * Quintasan hands yofel clang and llvm
[13:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: we could write another set of profiles and maintain it in kubuntu-dev
[13:24] <yofel> Quintasan++
[13:24] <Quintasan> yofel: use this
[13:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: ack
[13:24] <shadeslayer> god damnit blinky cursor
[13:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: CDMA variants are 3G in various countries, LTE is 4G in UK and presumably elsewhere
[13:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: That "elsewhere" probably doesn't include my backwater country
[13:25] <Quintasan> They say they have LTE but that thing doesn't even have half of said spee
[13:25] <Quintasan> speed*
[13:26] <Quintasan> 3,5G I would say
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: any ideas what we can and cannot do?
[13:26] <Quintasan> :D
[13:26] <apachelogger> if I am not mistaken austria is supposed to get LTE coverage wherever there is 3g now
[13:26] <apachelogger> like by the endo of this year
[13:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: regarding?
[13:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm, you got it compiled but you didn't check it?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: with auto upgrade tester
[13:26] <Riddell> smartboyhw: there could be new files added
[13:26] <Darkwing> use of CDMA worldwide. http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp?h_area=0#list
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, anything I did wrong?
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well you didn't check for new files
[13:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, it seems to be a general upgrade path check. We certainly can't check what state the desktop is in after install. But we can check many different combinations for upgrade errors
[13:27] <Riddell> smartboyhw: dh_install --list-missing is your friend
[13:28] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:28] <shadeslayer> good thing buyvm hosts a ubuntu mirror
[13:28] <shadeslayer> everything is super fast
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, what do I do then?
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: compile it again I'm afraid
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I mean how to use dh_install --list-missing
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Add it in debian/rules?
[13:30] <Quintasan> Darkwing: >	Warsaw & suburbs
[13:30] <Quintasan> now
[13:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nah just type it in once it's done compiling
[13:30] <Quintasan> that's like capital city and nothing else
[13:30] <Quintasan> :DDD
[13:30] <Darkwing> Quintasan: I HATE CDMA anyway. ;)
[13:30] <Darkwing> I'm switching lol
[13:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: for that matter, I've been doing this using my pbuilder chroots for a while already. But I'm certainly happy that this will make things a bit easier. And we can use this for PPA testing too
[13:31] <shadeslayer> eh
[13:31] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: CDMA is actually pretty awesome
[13:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: actually it gets run anyway with kde packages
[13:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: http://paste.kde.org/674414/
[13:31] <shadeslayer> it has some really cool things like client power management
[13:31] <shadeslayer> which I /think/ gsm does not have
[13:31] <Darkwing> It is but, Verizon is horrid out here... well, for updates etc. They are VERY restrictive.
[13:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: work out what's new and needs added to .install files (many there don't, see debian/not-installed)
[13:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: aye
[13:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: though I have yet to see how it works out with pre-installing PPA's
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK.
[13:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: this can also be automated
[13:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: pre installing ppa's?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I think the problem is that I ran it in pbuilder-dist instead.....
[13:32] <smartboyhw> So no errors popped up. Let me see what I can do....
[13:32] <yofel> shadeslayer: i.e. upgrading from quantal + backports -> raring
[13:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: isn't that trivial?
[13:33] <yofel> is it? haven't looked at it close enough yet
[13:33] <shadeslayer> see share/profiles/lts-server/
[13:34] <yofel> oh, ok
[13:34] <yofel> that's trivial indeed
[13:34] <Darkwing> Oh, I'm not going to be able to attend Akademy as long as they are in the summer months...
[13:34] <Quintasan> hopefully
[13:34] <Quintasan> that might work
[13:34] <Quintasan> ...
[13:36]  * shadeslayer grumbles about apt-xapian taking too much memory
[13:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/674474
[13:37] <apachelogger> does that work?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:37] <Quintasan> it did not finish every lang pack yet but so far it does
[13:37]  * apachelogger thinks it is a bad idea to put the comma in the control
[13:37] <davmor2> shadeslayer: does Kubuntu use it?
[13:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell, where to run dh_install --list-missing?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> davmor2: use what?
[13:38] <davmor2> shadeslayer: apt-xapian
[13:38] <shadeslayer> oh .. I think so
[13:38] <yofel> smartboyhw: do you not use our hooks for pbuilder yet? that would automatically run list-missing
[13:38] <shadeslayer> it is installed with kubuntu-desktop
[13:38] <yofel> muon uses xapian at least
[13:39] <davmor2> shadeslayer: I know it is used in USC, so is installed by default but I thought you guys had a different system in place for installing apps
[13:39] <shadeslayer> (process:28111): GLib-ERROR (recursed) **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.34.1/./glib/gmem.c:230: failed to allocate 128 bytesAborted
[13:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I believe it makes it look more in order but if you really hate the idea I can revert that
[13:39] <apachelogger> well
[13:39] <apachelogger> the thing is
[13:39] <shadeslayer> davmor2: muon probably use it I guess
[13:39] <smartboyhw> yofel, hooks?
[13:39] <apachelogger> I need something similar for calligra
[13:39] <davmor2> shadeslayer: could be but I thought it worth a check
[13:40] <Darkwing> Why isn't the references and bibliography stuff in calligra or LO better? :/
[13:40] <yofel> smartboyhw: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment 2nd part (even if the page is a bit outdated)
[13:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: and IMHO comma in the control is a bad thing ... because we must technically assume that the palceholders are expanded to a null string so foo, $BAR, $FOOBAR would in fact end up foo, ,
[13:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[13:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: it looks like crap and , can be easy to miss in the sed line
[13:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan: additionally it cannot be used as postfix operator as then you'd end up with foo, bar, foobar, (as for foobar you will not know it is the last)... so that is why I originally went for a suffix comma in code
[13:42] <Quintasan> whatever
[13:42] <Quintasan> up to you
[13:42] <apachelogger> well
[13:42] <apachelogger> you can sed the comma in
[13:42] <apachelogger> rather than in the mapping
[13:42] <apachelogger> that was a cheap shot as I am not working on this and don't want to digg into it
[13:42] <Quintasan> besides that doesn't work
[13:43] <apachelogger> yeah, it needs an escape
[13:43] <apachelogger> well
[13:43] <shadeslayer> oooh
[13:43] <Quintasan> no
[13:43] <apachelogger> I'd go for comma in code rather than control and there I'd prefix rather than suffix
[13:43] <apachelogger> all I can say right now
[13:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: the logic there is broken
[13:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: buyvm now has kvm machines with a large amount of storage
[13:43] <shadeslayer> and bandwidth
[13:43] <Quintasan> it does not add the build dep
[13:43] <Quintasan> bleh
[13:43] <Quintasan> ibus dependency I mean
[13:44] <apachelogger> eh
[13:44] <Quintasan> now I wonder what did I fail ther
[13:44] <apachelogger>  if [ -n $inputmethodpkg ]; then
[13:44] <apachelogger> "$foo"
[13:45] <apachelogger> not sure that is your prob though
[13:45] <apachelogger> as the var should be declared
[13:46] <Quintasan> True if the length of "STRING" is non-zero.
[13:46] <Quintasan> that's wrong
[13:46] <Quintasan> lol
[13:46] <Quintasan> -z
[13:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: nice, though still a bit limited on the memory side
[13:46] <apachelogger> true
[13:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah, but with kvm you have swap
[13:46] <yofel> true
[13:46] <shadeslayer> so not /really/ limited
[13:46] <Quintasan> debcommit -m "apachelogger is guilty"
[13:46] <Quintasan> oops
[13:47]  * apachelogger really wonders how to make the logo code now take up 30000 sloc -.-
[13:47] <yofel> note that it should be "$inputmethodpkg" or dash does nonsense
[13:47] <yofel> or test rather
[13:47] <Quintasan> dash?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> hm, weird
[13:47] <apachelogger> it needs to be "" when the var can be undeclared or non-string
[13:47] <yofel> Quintasan: the shell? sh is dash for us
[13:47] <Quintasan> yofel: you mean -z "$inputmethodpkg" ?
[13:48] <yofel> yeah
[13:48] <apachelogger> ought not be the case, but "" is still what one wants
[13:48] <apachelogger> yofel: it's a bash script btw ;)
[13:48] <Quintasan> ebcommit -m "apachelogger is guilty - try 2"
[13:49] <apachelogger> but as I said, the general expectation for $foo to work is that $foo in fact evalutes to a string
[13:49] <Quintasan> the bzr log looks really amusing
[13:51] <Quintasan> >See if that helps with ibus in default installs
[13:51] <Quintasan> >Maybe now
[13:51] <Quintasan> >Now?
[13:51] <Quintasan> >apachelogger is guilty
[13:51] <Quintasan> >apachelogger is guilty - try 2
[13:51] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:51] <Quintasan> >Werks
[13:52]  * smartboyhw is recompiling calligra-l10n for the fifth time:P
[13:52] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: sounds like fun
[13:52] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, not fun
[13:52] <yofel> apachelogger: ah well, me needs more coffee
[13:52] <yofel> bash++
[13:52] <Quintasan> apachelogger: why you don't use C++11?
[13:54] <yofel> c++11 is not LTS compaible
[13:54]  * yofel wonders where his keyboard ate the t
[13:54] <Quintasan> nothing is compatible with our LTS
[13:54] <Quintasan> :P
[13:55] <Quintasan> even Gabe doesn't want Steam on our LTS :P
[13:55]  * yofel wonders if people don't realize that we have to support that for good four more years
[13:56]  * shadeslayer is wondering why auto-ugrade-tester is stuck
[13:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: same
[13:56] <yofel> Parent: waiting for 1880
[13:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's stuck at processing triggers for ureadahead
[13:56] <yofel>  1880 pts/9    00:00:00 do-release-upgr
[13:56] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:56] <Quintasan> now it werks
[13:57] <yofel> ah, for me it went a bit further
[13:57] <yofel> let's try this again now that I have the cache in place
[13:58] <apachelogger> Quintasan: for what?
[13:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: for everything
[13:58] <apachelogger> because it's not suitable for everything
[13:58] <Quintasan> now I need to move the damn comma yet again
[13:58] <shadeslayer> meh
[13:58] <shadeslayer> yofel: for me it's waiting for memory
[13:58] <shadeslayer> I've exhausted all the memory on my VPS
[13:58] <yofel> o.O?
[13:58] <yofel> ouch
[13:58]  * apachelogger totally had to draw a qml represenation of the plymouth crap to get the layout right
[13:58] <apachelogger> :@
[13:59] <shadeslayer> stupid gtk
[13:59] <yofel> well, python
[13:59] <shadeslayer> gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0
[13:59] <yofel> bwahahaha
[13:59] <yofel> we might need one of those KVM machines after all :D
[13:59] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:59] <yofel> hm, nope, reliably hangs on do-release-upgrade here
[14:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: One more test and I'm pushing to the branch
[14:02] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quintasan/kubuntu-packaging/kde-l10n-common/revision/152
[14:02] <Quintasan> that be the final version
[14:04]  * Quintasan runs final test
[14:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: how's kubuntu-debug-installer localized?
[14:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: um I don't know
[14:06] <apachelogger> :/
[14:06]  * apachelogger cries and puts on todo
[14:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: any luck?
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I had dbus and quasselcore running for some reason
[14:08] <shadeslayer> no idea why :|
[14:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: what are you guys doing?
[14:09] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: setting up automatic QA
[14:09] <Quintasan> >automatic
[14:09] <Quintasan> >QA
[14:09] <yofel> still hanging
[14:09] <Quintasan> ;DDD
[14:09] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:09] <Quintasan> That will be a heck of QA
[14:09] <Quintasan> :P
[14:10] <Quintasan> "Sorry guys, no QA this cycle because script broke and shadeslayer didn't want to fix it"
[14:10] <Quintasan> :D
[14:10] <yofel> well, currently we have 0 QA :P
[14:10] <yofel> 0 auto-QA
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:10] <Quintasan> True.
[14:10] <yofel> where the hell does DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive come from
[14:10] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:10]  * apachelogger giggles
[14:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's from Distupgrade.cfg I think
[14:11] <shadeslayer> it had a field called NonInteractive or sth
[14:11] <yofel> yeah, but no I'm looking for it on the dist-upgrader side
[14:11] <yofel> as
[14:11] <yofel> /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade -d -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive
[14:11] <Quintasan> >python3
[14:11] <Quintasan> jenkins?
[14:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well I got qtwebkit 2.3 built but only using the non-standard build system of Tools/Scripts/build-webkit and running it various times
[14:11] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: heh
[14:11] <yofel> Quintasan: let's leave jenking for when we actually have something that works
[14:11] <shadeslayer> fun, BuyVM charges me for accessing the local mirror
[14:11] <yofel> *jenkins
[14:11] <yofel> typoday++
[14:12] <Quintasan> apachelogger: works, pushing
[14:12] <shadeslayer> enotenough memory for jenkins
[14:12] <apachelogger> logo.height = logo.gear.height + logo.text.height + logo.text.margin.top + logo.text.maring.bottom
[14:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:13] <Riddell> Darkwing: that nexus image uploaded
[14:13] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/674906
[14:13] <Quintasan> Your last chance to say anything :P
[14:14] <apachelogger> gj
[14:14] <Quintasan> ...
[14:14] <apachelogger> also
[14:14] <apachelogger> meow
[14:14] <Quintasan> I was expecting something different but that's okay.
[14:14] <apachelogger> Quintasan: happy birthday
[14:14]  * apachelogger doesn't know
[14:14] <Quintasan> It's not my birthday yet
[14:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: newpackage script woring again
[14:15] <apachelogger> *working
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:16] <shadeslayer> ohmy
[14:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: Parent: waiting for 4004
[14:16] <Quintasan> apachelogger: So, now I'd have to build and dput this stuff to see if it really works in clean installs?
[14:17] <apachelogger> guess so
[14:17] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:17] <shadeslayer> I don't see a process with id 4004
[14:17] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can I just upload new l10n batch and stuff won't break?
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: in kubotu?
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Phew I'm back....
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[14:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: yes
[14:18] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, I mean, you could upload to a PPA first
[14:18] <apachelogger> to make sure stuff won't break
[14:19] <Quintasan> I will do but it's no as much fun as breaking stuff
[14:19] <shadeslayer> hmm ... gzip taking up 100% CPU
[14:19] <shadeslayer> it's probably making the tar
[14:20] <Darkwing> Riddell: Okay, things
[14:20] <Darkwing> s/things/thanks
[14:20] <Darkwing> s/things/thanks/
[14:20] <kubotu> Darkwing meant: "s/thanks/thanks"
[14:21] <Quintasan> I've been wondering for quite a while, why are we building for i386 instead of i686?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, it originally supported i386 toi686
[14:22] <smartboyhw> The new 3.8 kernel doesn't support i386 now actually:P
[14:23] <smartboyhw> yofel, damn I can't get dh_install --list-missing to work
[14:23]  * shadeslayer rages
[14:23] <shadeslayer> stupid thing doesn't work
[14:24] <yofel> smartboyhw: dpkg-buildpackage needs to run before that
[14:24] <yofel> or rather it's usually part of the debhelper install target
[14:25] <yofel> in any case, you need to have everything built and not cleaned for it to work
[14:25] <yofel> smartboyhw, Quintasan: we really stopped supporting i386 a long time ago anyway, it's just too much work to rename it
[14:26] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:26] <yofel> which is why people should be using x86 and x86_64
[14:26] <Quintasan> lolwat
[14:26] <yofel> hm? the compiler optimization in ubuntu was set to non-i386 quite a while ago
[14:26] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopXZ2526.png
[14:26] <tsimpson> even in debian...
[14:27] <Quintasan> symbols symbols symbols ENGLISH PARAGRAPH more symbols
[14:27] <Quintasan> :D
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, ?!
[14:27] <yofel> Quintasan: wonderful :P
[14:27] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: What's wrong?
[14:27] <Quintasan> yofel: Proper translation++
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, your symbols sentence:P
[14:27] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: look at the screenshot
[14:28] <smartboyhw> !
[14:28] <Quintasan> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M DOING, BETTER PRESS NEXT IN THE INSTALLER
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, why are you using Japanese!?!?!/
[14:28] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopkr2526.png
[14:29] <Quintasan> this is even better
[14:29] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:29] <Quintasan> first two instructions under text boxes are in english and the third one
[14:29] <Quintasan> has instruction in japanese :D
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Still not working
[14:30] <yofel> smartboyhw: what *do* you get?
[14:30] <Quintasan> ERROR MESSAGE
[14:30]  * Quintasan hides
[14:30] <smartboyhw> yofel, what do you mean?
[14:30] <yofel> smartboyhw: re "still not working"
[14:30] <smartboyhw> dh_install --list-missing
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Can't stat debian/tmp: No such file or directory
[14:30] <smartboyhw>  at /usr/bin/dh_install line 243
[14:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe do-release-upgrade is stuck at some sort of question?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> And I saw NO --list-missing during build
[14:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: maybe, but that would be a fail on the dist-upgrade side of things
[14:31] <yofel> maybe
[14:31] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:31] <shadeslayer> not sure how to check
[14:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: it's usually not run during build
[14:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: you run it post-build
[14:32] <smartboyhw> yofel, that error message is post-build
[14:32] <yofel> why would there be no debian/tmp then though
[14:32] <smartboyhw> yofel, /me doesn't know
[14:32]  * yofel goes building calligra-l10n for fun
[14:33]  * shadeslayer runs do-release-upgrade in the unpacked chroot manually
[14:33] <smartboyhw> yofel, thanks
[14:33] <shadeslayer> wtf
[14:33] <shadeslayer>     time.sleep(0.5)
[14:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: with non-interactive though
[14:33] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: right
[14:33] <yofel> o.O
[14:33] <Riddell> yofel: building the one smartboyhw did?
[14:34] <yofel> no, old one just to check something
[14:34] <shadeslayer> since I can't copy paste : http://i.imgur.com/MP1niKP.png
[14:34] <yofel> o.O
[14:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I rather do calligra main first (at least there was a not-installed)
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Probably do it tmr then, I'm too tired
[14:36] <shadeslayer> so basically, the chrootbackend creates the tar but do-release-upgrade fails
[14:37] <yofel> oh
[14:37] <shadeslayer> and the qemu backend is kaput
[14:37] <yofel> calligra-l10n has a custom dh_auto_install setup
[14:38] <yofel> smartboyhw: nevermind running list-missing on l10n. Unless something it very broken it'll just work
[14:38] <yofel> *is very broken
[14:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, ok then tell Sir Riddell
[14:38] <yofel> Riddell: ^
[14:39] <Riddell> what what?  I've not been knighted yet
[14:39] <yofel> calligra-l10n will ship everything for a language that's built, so list-missing would be always empty
[14:40] <Riddell> yeah no list-missing needed there
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sorry I am wrong...... I should say His Majesty King Jonathan Riddell of Kubuntu (LOL)
[14:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: When did you get your own country of Kubuntu?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, just joke:p
[14:42]  * Quintasan wants citizenship
[14:42] <smartboyhw> heh
[14:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well that's unlikely to happen.  not for a couple of years anyway when an independent scotland is made and they insist on me taking the throne.
[14:43] <smartboyhw> no citizenship = Kubuntu membership:P
[14:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: Autumns 2014 is the referendum
[14:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can I go there, vote and go back to Poland?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> And the government : Kubuntu Council:P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> (Seriously super LOL)
[14:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: sure, all EU citizens welcome
[14:44] <Quintasan> hmm
[14:44] <Quintasan> the tickets are cheap
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn I'm in Asia
[14:44] <Quintasan> might as well as go there
[14:45] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you could put in a pretty valid claim for all the gold in my school which we nicked from Hong Kong anyway so I expect they'd let you in just to stop you nicking it back
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[14:45] <Quintasan> lol
[14:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I pray it works
[14:46]  * Quintasan goes on a break
[14:46] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh wait, you didn't know?  la la la, never mind.  no gold in the attic whatsoever.
[14:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, damn it
[14:47]  * smartboyhw calls 999
[14:48] <Quintasan> You need an ambulance? :P
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, 999 includes the police
[14:48]  * smartboyhw reports Riddell's crime
[14:49] <Riddell> moi?  I'm not responsible for my colonial forebearers!
[14:49] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: You think they will arrest him in his own country?
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, no the Hong Kong police will arrest him:P
[14:49] <Quintasan> I don't think they will even get close
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ehh
[14:49] <Quintasan> :P
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: I know the issue
[14:49] <Quintasan> what shadeslayer, you want some gold too?
[14:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: it can't find the ~/.local folder
[14:50] <yofel> ...
[14:50] <shadeslayer> or was it ~/.cache
[14:50] <Quintasan> LOL
[14:50] <Quintasan> LOLOLOLOL
[14:50] <shadeslayer> ~/.cache it is
[14:50] <Quintasan> ENJOY AUTOMATIC QA
[14:50] <Quintasan> isn't that some magic gnome folder?
[14:50] <Quintasan> I see a crapton of gnome stuff here
[14:50] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:50]  * yofel notes that Quintasan said during UDS that he wanted to look at fixing KDE tests
[14:51] <yofel> they're quite un-funcional in neon still
[14:51] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:51] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:51] <Quintasan> I said we wanted them ON if they wrok
[14:51] <Quintasan> work*
[14:51] <yofel> they are on, just fail mostly
[14:51] <yofel> (they're on in neon)
[14:51] <Quintasan> If I was able to fix them I would have done so
[14:52] <Quintasan> You know my C skills are limited to memory leaks, don't you?
[14:52] <yofel> please be learning from automatic QA master shadeslayer
[14:52] <shadeslayer> what could be done
[14:52] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:52] <yofel> that has nothing to do with C...
[14:52] <shadeslayer> AutoUpgradeTesterBaseDir=/home/upgrade-tester probably is the reason
[14:52] <shadeslayer> maybe
[14:52] <shadeslayer> dunno for sure
[14:52] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: are you documenting this magic on wiki or in the code itself?
[14:53] <yofel> IRC log
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ^ :P
[14:53] <Quintasan> ..
[14:53] <shadeslayer> the best kind of documentation
[14:53] <Quintasan> why did I expect something else?
[14:53] <shadeslayer> I have it in my head
[14:53] <shadeslayer> will document
[14:53] <shadeslayer> #U$IU@## VPS
[14:53] <shadeslayer> blinky blinky
[14:53] <shadeslayer> the blinkyness hurts
[14:57] <apachelogger> oh god
[14:57] <apachelogger> now this pisses me off
[14:57] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:57] <apachelogger> apparently I cannot point a child object to a parent object in plymouth
[14:57] <apachelogger> FUFUFUFUFUF
[14:57] <Quintasan> that's why I didn't want to touch that
[15:00] <apachelogger> hm
[15:00] <apachelogger> it works with direct inheritance
[15:00] <apachelogger> meeeeh
[15:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: workaround, use sudo -E XDG_CACHE_HOME=/tmp whatever
[15:07] <shadeslayer> and drat
[15:10] <yofel> greeeaaaat. All backends except the chroot one support UseUpgraderFromBzr
[15:11] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[15:12] <shadeslayer> I'm tryint find a way that so that I can use multiple mirrors
[15:12] <yofel> add them to the sources?
[15:13] <yofel> ah
[15:13] <yofel> nvm
[15:13] <shadeslayer> hmm, nah, someway to add them to the config
[15:13] <shadeslayer> and the the thing automatically picks it
[15:13] <shadeslayer> well .. meh
[15:14] <shadeslayer> it's downloading at 1 MBps
[15:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[15:30] <shadeslayer> uhh
[15:31] <shadeslayer> do-release-upgrade stuck on 55%
[15:31] <shadeslayer> weird
[15:31] <shadeslayer> @_@
[15:31] <yofel> it felt stuck here for a while, but it wasn't
[15:31] <shadeslayer> Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
[15:31] <shadeslayer> I have none\
[15:31] <shadeslayer> :|
[15:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, oh
[15:32] <shadeslayer> well .. idk
[15:32] <shadeslayer> I started it again and it's "Waiting for headers"
[15:33] <shadeslayer> I'll leave it like this for a bit
[15:37] <yofel> what?
[15:37] <yofel> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/upgrade-tester/proc/asound/ThinkPadEC'
[15:37] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:37] <yofel> oh
[15:37] <yofel>     os.remove(fullname)
[15:37] <yofel> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/upgrade-tester/proc/asound/ThinkPadEC'
[15:37] <yofel> yeah, that might not be permitted ^^
[15:38] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/675014 with context
[15:38] <shadeslayer> idk why, but I get nothing on my konsole
[15:38] <shadeslayer> except stuff seems to be going on
[15:38] <shadeslayer> in the background
[15:38] <yofel> rsyslogd   7940 syslog    3r   REG    0,3        0<PHONE_NUMBER> /tmp/upgrade-tester/proc/kmsg
[15:39] <yofel> grrrr
[15:39] <shadeslayer> interesting
[15:39] <yofel> shadeslayer: I got that too for a while until it was done downloading the setup stuff
[15:39] <shadeslayer> it won't show the download progress
[15:39] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:40] <shadeslayer> it doesn't show any download info
[15:41] <shadeslayer> good thing they have SSD's in these VPS's :P
[15:41] <shadeslayer> run roh
[15:41] <shadeslayer> memory exhausted
[15:41] <shadeslayer> stupid gtk-update-icon-cache
[15:41] <shadeslayer> indexing all oxygen icons
[15:44] <aPpYe> hi there.  I am building my own system based on ubuntu's mini.iso, and using kubuntu-desktop as a reference.  I am wondering why anacron is listed as a dependency in all *buntu flavors.  Do the various update managers require it for proper checking?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> I should really finish that Making your own derivative post
[15:47] <Riddell> aPpYe: that's just the cron we use isn't it?
[15:47] <Riddell> yeah, various bits on any unix system will expect cron to be there
[15:48] <Riddell> see /etc/cron*
[15:48] <aPpYe> Riddell, that's the thing.  cron is there already.
[15:48] <Riddell> anacron is cron
[15:48] <aPpYe> and any *buntu-desktop metapackage also wants anacron.  So on any full *buntu has both installed.
[15:49] <Riddell> oh wait I'm not quite accurate
[15:49] <Riddell> it's a special cron for machines not on 24 hours a day
[15:49] <Riddell> which is any desktop system
[15:50] <yofel> cron runs at the specified time. If the system is down during the time the job doesn't run. Anacron takes over there and makes sure those get jobs get taken care of when the system is on again
[15:51] <aPpYe> Riddell, that is why I was asking the question ... do the various update managers use cron/anacron to schedule their daily update checks?
[15:52] <aPpYe> i am not sure because anacron is not pulled as a dependency for any of the packages I have installed so far.
[15:52] <aPpYe> including muon
[15:54] <shadeslayer> shadeslayer@thorn:~$ sudo kill -9 17473
[15:54] <shadeslayer> Segmentation fault
[15:54] <shadeslayer> I made kill segfault
[15:54] <shadeslayer> because of memory exhaustion
[15:54] <yofel> lol
[15:55] <shadeslayer> anyway
[15:55] <yofel> shadeslayer earned achievement: breakage master of the day :P
[15:55] <shadeslayer> this needs alot of memory
[15:55] <shadeslayer> cannot be run on my VPS
[15:55] <shadeslayer> OTOH I could write a script to spin up a EC2 instance and do everything
[15:56] <shadeslayer> now that we know how to use this :P
[15:56] <yofel> there is an EC2 backend you know
[15:57] <shadeslayer> oh I saw that
[15:57] <shadeslayer> but the options don't say anything about it
[15:58] <yofel> aPpYe: any of the daily, weekly and montly cron jobs rely on anacron in the default setup
[15:59] <aPpYe> yofel, aaaahhh!  Okay, I was thinking as much, just wanted someone to actually say it to me!  Thanks.
[16:02] <shadeslayer> yofel: have you looked at the EC2 backens=d?
[16:02] <shadeslayer> *backend
[16:02] <yofel> not really, as I don't have something to test with
[16:02] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:03] <shadeslayer> seems to have hardcoded values
[16:20] <Quintasan> christ
[16:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It ought to work
[16:20] <Quintasan> I didn't bump the version but the dependency on ibus-anthy for jp locale was there
[16:27] <Quintasan> yup it works
[16:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: eastern languages input should now work after users install the corresponding kde-l10n-XX package
[16:30] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[16:31] <Quintasan> ovidiu-florin: hi
[16:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: awooga
[16:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: using ibus still?
[16:52] <Quintasan> (un)fortunately
[16:52] <Quintasan> we need testing but generally it should work
[16:53] <Riddell> Quintasan: would you have a nice screenshot I can blog with?
[16:54] <Quintasan> uhhh
[16:54] <Quintasan> well it's just text input
[16:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can capture a screenshot of inputting some stuff in Japanese but that's all
[17:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: that would be cool
[17:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: Let me think of a sentence that makes sense
[17:05]  * Quintasan Japanese skill is pretty meh
[17:09] <Quintasan> smarter: Where are you from?
[17:09] <Quintasan> meh
[17:09] <Riddell> il est francis
[17:09] <Quintasan> I thought smartboyhw is still here
[17:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: oh, look at share/post_upgrade_tests/README
[17:12]  * apachelogger falls off chair
[17:12]  * Quintasan hands apachelogger another chair
[17:12]  * shadeslayer deploys nanites to eat new chair
[17:13] <Riddell> he's Hong Kong, so either British or Chinese depending on your point of view
[17:15]  * apachelogger rages in the general direction of shadeslayer
[17:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: now that's a pain
[17:16] <Quintasan> I have literally no idea how to change font size now that the install is in Japanese
[17:16] <Quintasan> :D
[17:18] <Riddell> system settings appearance?
[17:18] <Riddell> search should still work with english terms no?
[17:20] <apachelogger> yep
[17:20] <apachelogger> also kcmshell4 font I suppose
[17:20] <apachelogger> fonts actually ^^^
[17:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/スナップショット4.png
[17:24] <Quintasan> woops
[17:24] <Quintasan> the filename is bonky
[17:24] <Quintasan> can you click it?
[17:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yep
[17:25] <shadeslayer> works
[17:25] <shadeslayer> fun :P
[17:25] <Quintasan> what works?
[17:25] <Quintasan> :D
[17:25] <Quintasan> wait
[17:25] <shadeslayer> that link
[17:25] <shadeslayer> works
[17:25] <Quintasan> Riddell: wait
[17:25] <shadeslayer> you can click it
[17:25] <Quintasan> this damn
[17:25] <Quintasan> crap
[17:25] <Quintasan> didn
[17:25] <shadeslayer> it's a valid link :P
[17:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: I got it
[17:25] <Quintasan> capture the menu
[17:25] <Quintasan> it's important!!
[17:25] <Riddell> isn't there a box which pops up on screen when typing a word?
[17:26] <Riddell> to let you select the word?
[17:26] <Quintasan> there is
[17:26] <Quintasan> and it was not captured somehow
[17:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: fun thing, auto-upgrade-tester will only work with python3 on raring
[17:26] <shadeslayer> and there's no python3-boto
[17:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/sdasads.png
[17:32] <Quintasan> this
[17:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: awooga :)
[17:33] <Quintasan> If I'm not dumb to enough to fail grammar it shoud read "Now you can type in Japanese in Kubuntu"
[17:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you upload the kde-l10n-xx packages which fix this?
[17:33] <Quintasan> not yet
[17:33] <Quintasan> they are in my PPA
[17:33] <Quintasan> testing pending
[17:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: dem packages work
[17:35] <Riddell> awooga
[17:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: what is the proper procedure to upload this to raring?
[17:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: like, can I just upload ubuntu2 versions of the packages which I want to change?
[17:36] <Quintasan> !info kde-l10n-ja
[17:36] <apachelogger> you can, the common branch still would be ubuntu2 though
[17:36] <Quintasan> !info kde-l10n-ja raring
[17:36] <apachelogger> i.e. next upload >ubuntu2
[17:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so, how would you exectue that?
[17:37] <Quintasan> upload everything with ubuntu2 or what?
[17:37] <apachelogger> no
[17:37] <apachelogger> you bump the branch
[17:37] <apachelogger> build all sources
[17:37] <apachelogger> but selectively upload
[17:38] <Quintasan> mmkay
[17:39] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopwN2192.png
[17:39] <apachelogger> srsly
[17:39] <apachelogger> this code is utter crap
[17:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: Will upload to raring soon
[17:42] <apachelogger> to decide where to place the text it gets the bottom of the logo, calculates the height of the text, then checks if that exceeds the lowest y of the smallest screen and if so it pushes the text up such that it fits on the screen
[17:43]  * Quintasan finally bought a laptop
[17:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: ooh? does it have UEFI?
[17:43] <apachelogger> then however it gets the bottom of the logo, checks whether the new text positon is now inside the logo and pushes it out if necessary
[17:43] <apachelogger> my head hurts badly
[17:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's a thinkpad so I don't think that's the case
[17:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: does it come with windows 8?
[17:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: nope, win7
[17:52] <Riddell> oh probably not then
[17:53] <Riddell> still it might, reboot it and see what the bios is like
[17:53] <Riddell> if it has an option for UEFI and secure boot it's a winner
[17:54] <Quintasan> did not arrive yet
[17:54] <Quintasan> probably tomorrow or sth
[17:59]  * Riddell fanboys Quintasan http://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/18/how-type-kubuntu-japanese
[18:01] <Quintasan> splendid
[18:01] <Quintasan> more fame and money
[18:02] <Quintasan> Riddell: Now we need to test pa3 on an actual device
[18:02] <Quintasan> and I need to look into simon
[18:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: simon packaged and in the archive, some testing would be good
[18:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: well aye, I did on the nexus, touch didn't work
[18:09] <Quintasan> simon was done?
[18:09] <Quintasan> could mark it as done
[18:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is touch working on Ubuntu?
[18:10] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes, but seems not in Qt Quick (QWidgets fine)
[18:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: Did you do Simon?
[18:10] <Riddell> hmm, I do seem to be in the changelog
[18:10] <Riddell> go me
[18:11] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm changing the status entry to you and marking it as done
[18:11] <Riddell> awooga
[18:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: but could you test it?
[18:12] <Quintasan> I can
[18:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We have to fix the seed iirc
[18:12] <Riddell> "[kubuntu-dev] investigate packaging plasmate: TODO" that's in progress too
[18:12] <Riddell> lp:~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright
[18:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: marking pa3 packaging as done
[18:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer requested it be backported too
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ^
[18:14] <Riddell> what favourites should be have by default in homerun?
[18:14] <Riddell> I'm thinking rekonq, kontact, dolphin, system settings, muon-installer and amarok
[18:14] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: backported to Quantal I presume?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> nope
[18:15]  * shadeslayer rages at ec2
[18:15] <shadeslayer> The key pair 'ec2-keypair' does not exist
[18:15] <shadeslayer> stupid thing *grumble(
[18:16]  * apachelogger giggles
[18:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: Doing Plasmate
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: plasmate is done
[18:16] <Quintasan> GRRRR
[18:16] <shadeslayer> see kubuntu-packaging
[18:17] <Quintasan> MARK IT AS DONE THEN
[18:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: this merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate-copyright/+merge/148361
[18:17] <shadeslayer> I was about to suggest that
[18:18] <Riddell> it's not done, it isn't in the archive
[18:18] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Aren't you a developer yet?
[18:18] <shadeslayer> I am
[18:18] <shadeslayer> it's new
[18:18] <shadeslayer> so cannot upload
[18:19] <shadeslayer> not elite enough
[18:19] <Riddell> tell me what to upload and I'll do it
[18:19] <Riddell> but that merge needs done first
[18:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll do the merge
[18:19] <shadeslayer> I do not understand this shit
[18:20] <Riddell> ug I just uploaded kubuntu-default-settings which has been deleted, what's it called now?
[18:20] <Quintasan> uhhh
[18:21] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-settings
[18:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that account has a keypair called "key"
[18:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Did I have to do anything in the packaging or in commit message for lp to set the merge status to Merged automagically?
[18:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so you need to export EC2_KEYPAIR=key
[18:22] <Riddell> and you should be able to do
[18:22] <Riddell> ec2-run-instances ami-5034a539 -t m1.small --region us-east-1 --key key.pem
[18:22] <Riddell> I think
[18:22] <shadeslayer> mmm
[18:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: I merged the copyright, go ahead and upload
[18:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: give me the files to upload please
[18:23] <Quintasan> ehh
[18:23] <Quintasan> okay
[18:24] <shadeslayer> nah, that's not it
[18:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's not?
[18:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: how did you mark plasmate as 1.0-beta1-0ubuntu1 in changelog?
[18:26] <Quintasan> lol
[18:27] <apachelogger> sheytan: ping
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: huh?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: whats wrong?
[18:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: the version is 1.0-beta1-0ubuntu1 when it should be 1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1
[18:28] <Quintasan> but I changed that
[18:28] <shadeslayer> ahahaha
[18:28] <shadeslayer> turns out
[18:28] <shadeslayer> it needs the specific file name
[18:28] <shadeslayer> what fail
[18:28] <shadeslayer> so I can't pass ec2-keypair.pem
[18:28] <shadeslayer> it has to be key.pem
[18:29] <Riddell> yep
[18:29] <Quintasan> christ
[18:29] <shadeslayer> what fail :P
[18:29] <apachelogger> Quintasan: can be 1.0-beta1 as long as the final is 1.0.0
[18:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how do you stop instances?
[18:30] <Quintasan> apachelogger: The final will be 1.0 and I can bet on it unless someone emails the devels to make it 1.0.0 which I'm not sure we want to bother with
[18:30] <Quintasan> devs*
[18:31] <apachelogger> good packagers will turn it 1.0.0 anyway :P
[18:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: either poweroff from ssh into the instance, or ec2-terminate-instance i-12345
[18:31] <shadeslayer> awesome
[18:32] <apachelogger> sheytan: !!! :(
[18:32] <shadeslayer> did you create more instances?
[18:32] <Quintasan> what the hell
[18:32] <shadeslayer> oh no
[18:32] <Quintasan> apachelogger: : plasmate source: missing-field-in-dep5-copyright license (paragraph at line 5)
[18:32] <Quintasan> line 5 is
[18:32] <shadeslayer> just takes time I gess
[18:32] <Quintasan> Files: *
[18:32] <Quintasan> any idea?
[18:32] <shadeslayer> *guess
[18:33] <apachelogger> well yeah
[18:33] <apachelogger> that para doesn't have a  license defined
[18:33] <apachelogger> :)
[18:33] <Quintasan> ...
[18:33]  * apachelogger wants to burn plymouth
[18:33] <Quintasan> well
[18:33] <Quintasan> dep-5 is like
[18:33] <Quintasan> dumb?
[18:33] <apachelogger> why?
[18:34] <Quintasan> my copyright for pmc looks exactly the same on line 5 and lintian doesn't bitch about that
[18:34] <Quintasan> oh
[18:34] <Quintasan> wait
[18:34] <Quintasan> there is a damn space there
[18:34] <Quintasan> omfg
[18:35] <Riddell> Quintasan: if it says GPL is there another block to define GPL?
[18:35] <Riddell> ah
[18:35] <Quintasan> yeah
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: zomg it works
[18:36] <shadeslayer> except it's using the wrong mirror
[18:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kde-l10n question
[18:37] <Quintasan> uploading *.changes (files like language-pack-kde-wa_13.04+20130206.0ubuntu2_source.changes) should be fine?
[18:37] <Quintasan> wait
[18:37] <Quintasan> it was supposed to be selective upload
[18:37]  * Quintasan hits himself
[18:37] <Quintasan> Riddell: Testbuilding plasmate
[18:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[18:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does?
[18:37]  * apachelogger cries
[18:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: auto-upgrade-tester
[18:37] <Riddell> yay
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you check how many instances are running?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ec2din lists 2 even though I terminated them
[18:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you can run ec2-describe-instances as well as I can
[18:38] <Riddell> better infact since I do'nt have it installed
[18:39] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopNy2164.png
[18:39] <apachelogger> just so everone knows.... when using encryption we have an ubuntu colored password box
[18:39] <apachelogger> ...
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/675116/
[18:39] <shadeslayer> does that look right?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> or is it just me being paranoid
[18:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: that will be promoted to bug No 1!
[18:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep, it says terminated
[18:40] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they'll stay there for a bit in the terminated state
[18:40] <apachelogger> that's already occupied by a bug that is no bug
[18:40] <apachelogger> ...
[18:40] <shadeslayer> I thought it'd be removed from that list ASAP
[18:40] <apachelogger> sheytan: piiiing
[18:40] <shadeslayer> *phew*
[18:41] <Quintasan> apachelogger, Riddell: ko, ja, zhtw and zhcn uploaded
[18:41]  * apachelogger scratches back
[18:41] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm, aren't there others?
[18:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: I only know of those that require/have ibus backend
[18:42] <Quintasan> if there are others I can fix that
[18:42] <Riddell> Quintasan: ibus-table-thai - ibus-table input method: Thai
[18:42] <Riddell> ?
[18:43] <Quintasan> weird
[18:43] <Quintasan> it doesn't show in here
[18:43] <Quintasan> well
[18:43] <Quintasan> fixable
[18:43] <Quintasan> what's wrong with this dumb bzr-buildpackage
[18:43] <Riddell> ibus-table-latex - ibus-table input method: LaTeX
[18:43] <Riddell> those Latex spakers will need one :)
[18:43] <Quintasan> I'm not sure we want that in any langpack
[18:44] <Riddell> Quintasan: see bottom of /usr/share/language-selector/data/pkg_depends
[18:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: rejected?
[18:45] <Quintasan> yeah
[18:45] <Quintasan> rejected
[18:46] <Riddell> what to call a package with these xrandr files in? http://paste.kde.org/675128/
[18:46] <Riddell> krandr?
[18:46] <Riddell> or xrandr-kde?
[18:46] <Riddell> or kde-workspace-xrandr
[18:46] <Riddell> or kde-workspace-randr
[18:46] <shadeslayer> k-w-xrandr sounds fine
[18:48] <shadeslayer> uh okay
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: whats the default mirror for ec2 instances?
[18:49] <shadeslayer> using us.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com doesn't work
[18:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: whatever it gets set up with
[18:49] <Riddell> it breaks occationally though so I change to to archive.u.c
[18:50] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:50] <shadeslayer> I'll just use us.archive.ubuntu.com
[18:51] <shadeslayer> alright, third times a charm
[18:51] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you get charged for an instance coming up for just one second?
[18:52] <shadeslayer> or 5 minutes
[18:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yep, charged for an hour
[18:52] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:53] <shadeslayer> that sucks
[18:53] <Riddell> it's probably something other cloud providers differentiate on but I've not looked
[18:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: This be mighty good reference
[18:53] <Quintasan> will fix l10n tomorrow
[18:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: really our language tool should check it each time on load to see if there's anything else needing installed
[18:54]  * shadeslayer checks how much a M1 Small costs
[18:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 8.5cents/hour
[18:54] <shadeslayer> oh
[18:54] <shadeslayer> okay
[19:00] <shadeslayer> a quick cost comparison tells me that it won't be useful to start the High-I/O On-Demand Instances :P
[19:00] <Riddell> nope
[19:00] <Riddell> they add up quickly
[19:01] <shadeslayer> yeah, this default seems the best one
[19:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/plasmate_1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[19:02] <Riddell> dget: wget plasmate_1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/plasmate_1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc failed
[19:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so I'm thinking that I can setup a cronjob on my Raspberry Pi for ever ... 4 days? and we will have automagical upgrade QA
[19:02] <Riddell> 2013-02-18 19:02:25 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> *every
[19:02] <Quintasan> wat
[19:03] <shadeslayer> and it shouldn't take more than an hour for each upgrade
[19:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: to run the upgrade on your Pi or to launch the ec2 upgrade?
[19:03] <Quintasan> lol
[19:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hah, to launch an EC2 upgrade
[19:03] <shadeslayer> the former is just crazy :P
[19:03] <Riddell> if you are using your Pi as a server sure
[19:04] <Riddell> you don't plan to turn it off or change the OS on it at all?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> right, it's pretty much online 24x7
[19:04] <shadeslayer> not really
[19:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: try now
[19:04] <Riddell> groovy then
[19:04] <shadeslayer> it just quietly keeps running behind my tv
[19:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: working
[19:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: then it's time to start adding tests :P
[19:05] <shadeslayer> using dbus to launch apps and what not
[19:05] <Riddell> plasmate (1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[19:05] <shadeslayer> :|
[19:06] <Quintasan> hurr
[19:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you change that?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> is LTS -> latest release a valid upgrade path?
[19:06] <Riddell> Quintasan: engineexplorer/ktreeviewsearchline.cpp wrong in debian/copyright
[19:07] <Riddell> it says "or (at your option) any later version" but those files do not
[19:09] <Quintasan> oh this is broken so horribly I'm amazed I missed the license check there
[19:10] <Quintasan> brb fixing
[19:10] <Riddell>  Architechture independent files for plasmate
[19:10] <Riddell> typo
[19:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I thought you'd have checked the copyright before merging
[19:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I did, but not with licensecheck --copyright
[19:11] <shadeslayer> heh :)
[19:12] <shadeslayer> yofel_: did you find something that will allow us to check upgrades from one KDE version to another?
[19:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: isn't that what you've been doing all day?
[19:12] <yofel_> shadeslayer: I just got home -> no
[19:13] <yofel_> t yet
[19:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not exactly, I've figured out how to do dist-upgrades automagically using this tool
[19:13] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:13] <shadeslayer> s/dist-upgrades/release upgrades/
[19:13] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[19:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: couldn't it be adapted to do it for KDE releases?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> but KDE upgrades for the same release, haven't figured that out
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe, need to check
[19:14] <yofel_> it probably can, not sure about without forking though
[19:15] <Riddell> roar, this upload is stuck at 1k off uploaded!
[19:15] <Riddell> Uploading qtwebkit-source_2.3.orig.tar.gz: 50405k/50406k
[19:15] <shadeslayer> hahah
[19:15] <shadeslayer> happened with me as well
[19:15] <Riddell> how does that happen?  it can't be coincidence, something in tcp/ip breaking?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> I have no idea
[19:16]  * yofel goes back to dep debugging
[19:16] <Riddell> yofel: dep debugging?
[19:16] <yofel> bug 1127476
[19:16] <shadeslayer> I hope this doesn't crap out with the sound error that yofel posted earlier
[19:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: sound error?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> yeah that upgrade error you posted earlier?
[19:18] <yofel> that was syslog I think, and that's an upstart issue
[19:18] <shadeslayer> OSError: [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/tmp/upgrade-tester/proc/asound/ThinkPadEC'
[19:18] <yofel> oh that
[19:18] <yofel> I have no idea what it tried to do there
[19:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, lets see what happens with EC2
[19:21] <shadeslayer> also, no one answered, do we support LTS -> current dev release?
[19:21] <yofel> no
[19:21] <shadeslayer> alright, just wanted to confirm
[19:21] <yofel> unless current dev release will be 14.04
[19:21] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:22] <yofel> I mean, it probably works, but nobody tests that
[19:22] <shadeslayer> right
[19:22] <yofel> I upgraded a natty server to precise in one go once
[19:22] <yofel> needed manual fixup
[19:22] <shadeslayer> so I want current LTS -> Quantal
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quantal -> raring
[19:22] <yofel> yep
[19:22] <shadeslayer> and then LTS + Backports -> quantal
[19:22] <shadeslayer> LTS + Updates -> Quantal
[19:23] <yofel> actually
[19:23] <shadeslayer> Quantal + Backports  -> Raring
[19:23] <yofel> LTS + Backports -> quantal - is a problem
[19:23] <shadeslayer> oh, it is?
[19:23] <yofel> how do you upgrade kde 4.10 to 4.9 ?
[19:23] <shadeslayer> heh, good point
[19:23] <yofel> so there you theoretically need to skip quantal
[19:24] <yofel> and we're back to unsupported
[19:24] <shadeslayer> heh yeah
[19:24] <yofel> something we'll need to work out though
[19:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: qtwebkit uploaded to experimental, testing needed before archive I think
[19:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: awesome
[19:30] <shadeslayer> did you stop it from migrating manually?
[19:30] <Riddell> agateau: ubiquity merged, thanks for that
[19:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: migrating?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:31] <shadeslayer> nvm
[19:31] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopUS2164.png
[19:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: Back to Black
[19:31] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: taken your vitamin c?
[19:31] <apachelogger> all sheytan's fault :P
[19:32] <shadeslayer> I have experimental installed
[19:32] <shadeslayer> shouldn't be an issue
[19:32] <sick_rimmit> Riddell: Ah well I have two machines, so rick_timmis and sick_rimmit are synonymous
[19:32] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: I think auto-install-tester is what we need
[19:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: for KDE?
[19:33] <shadeslayer> for KDE upgrades, yes
[19:33] <sick_rimmit> Riddell: Its half term at the moment so the little mites are keeping me busy, I have not forgettton about the Uscan script however
[19:33] <yofel> yay
[19:34] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: get them onto it :)
[19:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: I /think/
[19:34] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure
[19:35] <sick_rimmit> Riddell: Rhiannon is 8, she's OK with Scratch, Tuxpaint and Ubuntu install. Rebecca is 6 only does tuxpaint
[19:36] <shadeslayer> looks like auto-install-tester only has the QEMU backend
[19:36] <shadeslayer> The instance 'i-56768825' does not have an 'ebs' root device type and cannot be stopped
[19:36] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:39] <Quintasan> WHAT THE HELL IS THIS
[19:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's what?
[19:40] <Quintasan> >   published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of
[19:40] <Quintasan>    the License or (at your option) version 3 or any later version
[19:40] <Quintasan> seriously?
[19:40] <apachelogger> ?
[19:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: that's GPL-2+
[19:40] <Quintasan> okay
[19:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: isn't that more like GPL-2 | GPL-3+?
[19:41] <yofel> apachelogger: what's the difference?
[19:41] <apachelogger> iff the fsf would make a GPL-2.1 the wor could not be licensed under that version
[19:42] <yofel> hm
[19:42] <Riddell> ok to have only 1 virtual desktop and no pager in raring?
[19:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: didn't we agree on that already?
[19:42] <apachelogger> I recall having sent a mail about it
[19:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes we did, just giving a last chance before I change k-d-s
[19:43] <Quintasan> christ
[19:43] <Quintasan> this is a mess
[19:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: don't upload though plz
[19:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: I shall leave that honour to you
[19:43] <apachelogger> plymouth is the uber crap in bzr right now
[19:43] <apachelogger> thx
[19:45] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopRH2164.png -> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopjw2164.png -> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/18/plasma-desktopLJ2164.png
[19:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we need to have the first one?
[19:47] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasmate/revision/5
[19:47] <Quintasan> Think it's okay now?
[19:47]  * Quintasan always loses his head in this copyright mumbojunbo
[19:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, we're going to hidemenu=2
[19:49] <apachelogger> to align with the rest of the world
[19:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm so does the second stage always appear?
[19:49] <apachelogger> no
[19:49] <apachelogger> only if you hit a key
[19:50] <apachelogger> like with grub's hidden timeout
[19:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: good but you can just do Files: * in the first block
[19:50] <Riddell> instead of naming all the files
[19:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: we might also need http://paste.kde.org/675164/
[19:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/plasmate_1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[19:53] <Quintasan> should be fine now
[19:53] <shadeslayer> because stopping doesn't work on instances without EBS volumes
[19:54] <Riddell> what's -ux Quintasan ?
[19:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: plasmate (1.0~beta1-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[19:54] <Quintasan> ARGH
[19:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: unpack and something I used because it didn't work in past and I didn't bother remembering what was it
[19:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: uploaded!
[19:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: I don't really get this whole UDD stuff, what do you do with this UNRELEASED once you upload the package?
[19:55] <Quintasan> it makes no sense to me to keep UNRELEASED in bzr
[19:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: this isn't UDD
[19:55] <Riddell> Quintasan: no, you need to fix it to say "raring"
[19:55] <yofel> the new dch behaviour needs UNRELEASED
[19:56] <yofel> also, it's so you know whether it was uploaded
[19:56] <Riddell> my brain is shutting down I'm need to check out, ciao all
[19:56] <apachelogger> also so you don't upload stuff that may not be reviewed
[19:56] <apachelogger> plenty of reasons :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: o/
[19:56] <Quintasan> so what the hell do I do now in bzr? change it to raring, commit and push?
[19:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan, Riddell: -u is to allow packages signed by someone who is not in your keyring
[19:57] <Quintasan> ah
[19:57] <Quintasan> I see
[19:57] <Quintasan> that's why I probably had to use it
[19:57] <yofel> Quintasan: usually the uploader would do that
[19:57] <apachelogger> also IIRC with -u it will always -x as -x is only blocked if he signer is unkown
[19:57] <apachelogger> (i.e. -x is default)
[19:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: can you do the bzr magic so I can see the diff?
[19:58] <apachelogger> improved plymouth in bzr
[19:58] <Quintasan> I remember someone using debcommit
[19:58] <Quintasan> or some other black magic
[19:58] <Quintasan> like that
[19:58] <yofel> debcommit is the default
[19:58] <apachelogger> also grub theme is now black/white
[19:58] <yofel> apachelogger++
[19:59] <Quintasan> I really need a break
[20:21] <shadeslayer> bah
[20:24] <apachelogger> kubuntu-text now updated
[20:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: what magic?
[20:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can we have qtmouth for 14.04? :P
[20:43] <shadeslayer> ...
[20:44] <apachelogger> I am serious
[20:45] <apachelogger> qt5 has a KMS backend IIRC
[20:45] <apachelogger> ...
[20:45] <shadeslayer> discuss at UDS
[20:45] <shadeslayer> come to UDS > we can discuss it :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> if UDS were held at more sensible times....
[20:53] <apachelogger> !find gbm
[20:56] <apachelogger> KMS support ............ yes
[21:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yofel FYI http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[21:08] <shadeslayer> just waiting for it to complete
[21:08] <yofel> nice
[21:08] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[21:09] <shadeslayer> I'll add more stuff tomorrow, too tired to do it right now
[21:10]  * yofel gives  the qemu backend another try
[21:13] <shadeslayer> can we get a fancy url like qa.kubuntu.org to point to that? :P
[21:14] <yofel> dunno, does anyone own the subdomains for kubuntu.org?
[21:15] <yofel> doesn't seem so
[21:16] <yofel> for now use something like kubuntu-qa1.dyndns.org
[21:16] <shadeslayer> dunno, just curious if it's viable
[21:16] <shadeslayer> it's a static ip
[21:16] <yofel> or something more sane
[21:16] <shadeslayer> plus, no free dyndns records
[21:17] <yofel> I have spare ones left
[21:17] <shadeslayer> I just hope I don't run up a huge EC2 bill :P
[21:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: http://kubuntu-qa0.dyndns.org/ for now
[21:23] <shadeslayer> fine with me
[21:23] <yofel> not sure how reliable it is with static IP's. We'll see
[21:23] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org is already taken?
[21:24] <yofel> not really
[21:24] <shadeslayer> I see
[21:24] <shadeslayer> anyway
[21:24] <shadeslayer> we need more test profiles
[21:24] <yofel> I can change it if you want, but we'll probably end up with more then one instance in the end
[21:25] <shadeslayer> yeah, meh
[21:25] <shadeslayer> and more than one instance?
[21:25] <yofel> this is a maybe
[21:25] <yofel> well, I'm not yet sure what your plans are for it in the end
[21:26] <yofel> if we have something long running we should get a proper DNS anyway
[21:26] <shadeslayer> well
[21:26] <shadeslayer> I was thinking in the long run my VPS becomes the frontend
[21:26] <shadeslayer> and it uses EC2 as the backend
[21:26] <shadeslayer> since we can't really use jenkins + EC2 I think
[21:27] <yofel> yeah, on second thought let me rename it. Before we add links somewhere and forget about it
[21:28] <shadeslayer> fwiw kde bug 315031
[21:28] <shadeslayer> if someone wants to take it up
[21:28] <shadeslayer> else I'll do it tomorrow
[21:28] <yofel> http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/
[21:29] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[21:29] <yofel> it has subdomain redirects enabled so you can use http://foo.kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ too etc.
[21:29] <shadeslayer> oh nice
[21:30] <yofel> at least for services that care about the url (like apache vhosts)
[21:31] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[21:41] <yofel> hm, I just noticed that buyvm gives a discount if you pay at least 6 months in advance. So the 2nd KVM option would in fact be 50.04$/year, not 60$
[21:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:42] <shadeslayer> I need to renew this server as well
[21:42] <shadeslayer> no idea when it expires
[21:43] <shadeslayer> h
[21:43] <shadeslayer> hm
[21:43] <yofel> mine's fine till june
[21:43] <shadeslayer> 06/06/2013
[21:43] <shadeslayer> so the same :)
[21:43] <yofel> yep, that :)
[21:44] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure what will happen though
[21:44] <shadeslayer> because I used my GSoC card to purchase that
[21:47] <yofel> wow, my VPS is still happily serving torrent downloads. quantal-desktop-amd64 is now at 358GiB uploaded
[21:47] <shadeslayer> haha
[21:48] <shadeslayer> what did you use to seed it?
[21:48] <shadeslayer> okay first test done
[21:49] <yofel> transmission
[21:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[21:49] <shadeslayer> I used transmission, but it ate all of my memory
[21:49] <yofel> it likes to die, so it has a daily cron job that restart it :P
[21:49] <yofel> *restarts
[21:49] <shadeslayer> okay seems like the VM was terminated properly
[21:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: lol
[21:50] <yofel> yeah, it does it mem, will need a different solution
[21:50] <yofel> rtorrent didn't work
[21:50] <yofel> *does eat
[21:50] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:50] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[21:51] <shadeslayer> http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/kubuntu/xorg_fixup.log is fun
[21:51] <shadeslayer> no xorg.conf :P
[21:55] <shadeslayer> okay, I'm off to sleep
[21:55] <shadeslayer> I'll add some more tests tomorrow
[21:55] <shadeslayer> actually
[21:56] <shadeslayer> let's do that right now :P
[21:56] <shadeslayer> mmm .. nope, must sleep
[21:57]  * shadeslayer forces himself to sleep
[21:59] <yofel> good night
[21:59] <yofel> me be off too shortly
[22:06] <apachelogger> eh
[22:06] <apachelogger> so
[22:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I just had a qml boot screen
[22:06] <apachelogger> ....
[22:07] <apachelogger> qt5 + kms = prn
[22:07] <shadeslayer> wot
[22:07] <shadeslayer> SHOW
[22:07] <apachelogger> kinda hard to show with KMS :P
[22:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I setup automatic upgrade
[22:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: make a video?
[22:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: uhero
[22:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no u
[22:08] <apachelogger> also I hope you have awesome docs and stuff
[22:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: not much to see
[22:08] <apachelogger> loads of black ... then qml without X
[22:08] <apachelogger> I did not get kbd to work though, so that is a bit of a let down right now
[22:08] <shadeslayer> I do have awesome docs in my head and stuff
[22:08] <shadeslayer> aww
[22:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pretty please write down all and any information
[22:09] <shadeslayer> will do, tomorrow
[22:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:10]  * apachelogger does not know how to transit from kms qml to lightdm -.-
[22:10] <apachelogger> basically once I start kms qml I cannot use my ttys anymore ^^
[22:14] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: frantech says that Credit Card is no longer a viable option
[22:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's either Google Wallet or Paypal
[22:14] <yofel> the hell is google wallet o.O
[22:15] <shadeslayer> another way for google to steal your daat
[22:15] <shadeslayer> *data
[22:15] <yofel> wow, it supports.... credit cards
[22:15] <yofel> great improvement
[22:48] <apachelogger> oompa-loompa!
[22:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, yofel: !!!! http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/100_0002.MOV
[22:53] <yofel> looks cool, if plymouth had a qml backend
[22:53] <yofel> and now I'm off - good night
[23:39] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1129546] Activities Manager shows flickering icon for Search and Launch activity @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1129546 (by Ryan Reamsbottom)
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> lolol, I tried to open up a picture I took in Cheese: http://i.imgur.com/kUWLOuS.png