[00:06] <rincewind1013> where is the gnome-keyring-manager in xubuntu?
[02:42] <R1cochet> how do i back up a dvd to x264?
[03:11] <CarlFK> how much disk does xu need?
[03:12] <CarlFK> I have a 3g drive - hoping it will fit
[03:13] <R1cochet> i dont think so, but i installed from live cd
[03:13] <R1cochet> besides it needs a swap partition i believe
[03:14] <CarlFK> good point
[03:15] <R1cochet> again im not sure
[03:17] <gaurdro> it shouldn't NEED a swap partition only it will be terribly unstable when it runs out of memory.  i'm not sure how much room it requires (google is your friend) but perhaps puppy linux or damn small linux might be better suited
[03:18] <CarlFK> all I really need is x and build-essential - i can install just u-standard and then apt-get the other stuff
[03:45] <cheeseboy> can someone help me get my wiimode to work with mednafen?
[03:58] <owen1> xsane does not recognize my canon scanner (usb, new model) any idea? btw, i installed libsane-extras
[03:58] <CarlFK> owen1: did you run xsane from the command prompt?
[03:59] <CarlFK> somewhere I will see "can't find firmware file" - my hack is to plug the scanner into a xp box which uploads the firmware
[04:00] <owen1> CarlFK: no. let me try
[04:01] <owen1> CarlFK: i just run xsane and got 'no device detected'
[04:02] <CarlFK> carl@dell29:~$ scanimage -L
[04:02] <CarlFK> device `snapscan:libusb:002:004' is a Acer FlatbedScanner23 flatbed scanner
[04:03] <CarlFK> try that
[04:03] <CarlFK> carl@dell29:~$ lsusb
[04:03] <CarlFK> Bus 002 Device 004: ID 04a5:20b0 Acer Peripherals Inc. (now BenQ Corp.) S2W 3300U/4300U
[04:04] <owen1> CarlFK: No scanners were identified.
[04:04] <CarlFK> see the device in lsusb?
[04:05] <owen1> CarlFK: not sure what lsusb is. it's only one usb, no need for power.
[04:05] <owen1> CarlFK: canon canoscan lide 200
[04:14] <owen1> CarlFK: any clue?
[04:14] <CarlFK> nope
[04:16] <owen1> CarlFK: it's a new model. i hope i'll find a way to use it.. thanks
[04:17] <owen1> CarlFK: lsusb returns: Bus 005 Device 011: ID 04a9:1905 Canon, Inc.
[04:17] <CarlFK> good.  sometimes I plug things in and they arn't seen there, so I unplug /plug and they show up
[04:18] <owen1> CarlFK: but scanimage -L can't find any scanners
[04:20] <CarlFK> man scanimage "The list is not complete since some devices may be        available, but are not listed in any of the configuration files  (which        are  typically  stored in directory /etc/sane.d)
[04:25] <owen1> CarlFK: i am not sure i understand what u just said, i tried reading the man page but couldn't see anything important.
[04:29] <CarlFK> owen1: total longshot here...
[04:31] <CarlFK>  echo "usb 0x04a9 0x1905">/etc/sane.d/canonlide200.conf
[04:31] <CarlFK> Ill let you figure out how to do the permissions
[04:32] <owen1> btw, i just run sane-find-scanner and it found it. what does it mean?
[04:33] <owen1> CarlFK: bash: /etc/sane.d/canonlide200.conf: Permission denied
[04:34] <CarlFK> Ill let you figure out how to do the permissions
[04:34] <owen1> chmod 777 on this file?
[04:35] <CarlFK> if sane-find-scanner found it, then I guess there is something that knows it is a scanner, so not sure you need it
[04:35] <CarlFK> i would do  sudo vim /etc/sane.d/canonlide200.conf
[04:37] <owen1> CarlFK: i just went to the /etc/sane.d folde and i don't see canonlide200 file ..
[04:37] <CarlFK> what is the #media-u channel?
[04:37] <CarlFK> create it
[04:37] <owen1> CarlFK: maybe it's for ubuntu media edition?
[04:37] <CarlFK> echo foo>bar.txt creates bar.txt
[04:38] <CarlFK> yeah - what is the name of the channel?
[04:39] <owen1> CarlFK: don't know, i can look for it. 1 sec
[04:41] <CarlFK> wait... -studio is what I was thinking
[04:42] <owen1> ohhh, ok
[04:43] <owen1> CarlFK: ok, i created a new file - canonlide200.conf
[04:43] <R1cochet> is there a program like image grabber for linux?
[04:44] <R1cochet> i need to make contact sheets of movies
[04:44] <CarlFK> R1cochet: grab from where?
[04:45] <R1cochet> from a video file
[04:45] <owen1> CarlFK: what should i do now (after i have this nes file)?
[04:45] <owen1> CarlFK: nes=mew
[04:47] <CarlFK> R1cochet: i think cinelerra - I have done it about 6 months ago, forget exactly how
[04:47] <CarlFK> owen1: scanimage -L
[04:48] <owen1> CarlFK: the same message - no scanners identified.  do u need to give permissions to the new file?
[04:48] <CarlFK> it should match the usb device with what is in that file.  no clue how that makes it work, jsut folloing what I saw in man scanimage
[04:48] <R1cochet> im not finding this in synaptic
[04:48] <R1cochet> could it be a diff name?
[04:49] <CarlFK> R1cochet: use this repo: deb http://cp600:3142/akirad.cinelerra.org/ akirad-hardy main
[04:49] <CarlFK> whoops...
[04:49] <CarlFK> that's my local one..
[04:49] <CarlFK> deb http://akirad.cinelerra.org/ akirad-hardy main
[04:56] <R1cochet> carlFK: Thank ¥ou
[04:57] <owen1> CarlFK: any idea what can i do now?
[04:59] <CarlFK> owen1: no clue - sorry
[04:59] <CarlFK> owen1: I wouldn't give up hope - google sane-find-scanner and see what you should do next
[05:00] <owen1> CarlFK: np. thanks for all the help.
[05:19] <CarlFK> R1cochet: cin is probably not what you want
[05:20] <CarlFK> it has nice controls for moving foward/back, but no quick 'save as' .. from #cin.... (11:15:54 PM) cehteh: render that single frame or a jpeg sequnece .. should work well
[06:27] <Lexvegas> I have a problem with my old dell latitude D600
[06:28] <Lexvegas> the wireless card does not work
[06:37] <Lexvegas> Hey, guys. I have a problem. I just got a second hand Dell Latitude D600, and i installed XUbuntu on it. The problem is that the wireless card id not working. I have run sudo lshw -C network, and the card shows up, but it says: *-network DISABLED.
[08:16] <zaid> Anyone know of a good CPU heat level monitor for xfce4?
[08:31] <R1cochet> would like to dl a pack from sourceforge.net but it gives 2 options
[08:32] <R1cochet> deb.i386 and .tar.gz platform indepentdent which should i get?
[08:33] <nikola> hi, how do i turn on keyboard layout switching in xubuntu, using GUI?
[08:33] <nikola> R1cochet, try if that package is already available on packages.ubuntu.com
[08:35] <R1cochet> will do
[08:37] <R1cochet> ok its there now what?
[08:46] <nikola> you can also use synaptic package manager and with search option find and install software in repositories
[08:46] <nikola> alternatively you could download *.deb for your platform/distribution version and install it with dubleclick on *.deb
[08:51] <nikola> If package/program you want is newer version and is present in repository of newer xubuntu release then you use, you can try to compile package yourself
[08:51] <nikola> If you are compiling package yurself use commands sudo apt-get build-dep _package_
[08:52] <R1cochet> how do i log in as root?
[08:53] <nikola> and install documentation for build with sudo apt-get install debian-reference
[08:54] <R1cochet> ok when i open synaptic and it asks for pass, thats the same as root pass right?
[08:54] <R1cochet> cuz im trying to log into root in terminal and it wont let me
[08:55] <R1cochet> using su -
[09:08] <Lexvegas> Hey, guys. I have a problem. I just got a second hand Dell Latitude D600, and i installed XUbuntu on it. The problem is that the wireless card id not working. I have run sudo lshw -C network, and the card shows up, but it says: *-network DISABLED.
[09:11] <stitchedwings> If you know how to get rid of the black border that appears on some LCDs, please view my post @  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=939527 ... TIA
[09:17] <R1cochet> trying to sudo mv x264 `which x264`
[09:17] <R1cochet> but get: mv: cannot stat `x264': No such file or directory
[09:25] <TheSheep> !root | R1cochet
[09:33] <R1cochet> i got it Thank ¥ou
[09:33] <R1cochet> used wrong command
[09:40] <microw> hi, i only need web browser to access websites applications. is xubuntu good for a 128m memory machine??
[09:41] <R1cochet> mplayer seems to have hijacked volume control for audacious
[09:41] <R1cochet> i have to play with mplayer volume, adacious' slider doesnt work for it
[09:43] <microw> hi, ?
[09:43] <R1cochet> hi
[09:44] <R1cochet> i dont know idle im sure some1 knows
[10:09] <skep> hi, i have a problem with my usb wlan (DWL-G122) and high packet loss (30%). any idea on how to solve this? link quality is hji (90+) and encryption is wpa2. here some info: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/392259/
[10:09] <skep> i'm using the ootb driver rt73
[10:36] <R1cochet> power manager doesnt put monitor to sleep
[10:36] <R1cochet> i have it ticked but it only stops sending signal to display, display doesnt go to sleep just shows black screen
[10:36] <R1cochet> still iluminated
[11:54] <spaceninja> I'm trying to install eeexubuntu on a usb pen, but which filesystem should it have?
[13:44] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.
[14:36] <parfu> there is no displayconfig-gtk in xubuntu 8.10. Is there an alternative?
[15:16] <nnull> j #sans
[15:16] <nnull> oops :)
[15:48] <maestrolinux> hola
[16:26] <james__> I'm trying to make a launcher for aisleriot solitaire and I cant for the life of me find what the "command" needs to be.
[16:27] <Myrtti> /usr/games/sol
[16:27] <vinnl> james__, you can use the AppFinder for that, in the future :)
[16:28] <james__> Oooh, that AppFinder is a life saver! No more manually working out the commands. Thanks guys
[16:28] <vinnl> :)
[16:29] <james__> My only wish is the menu was drag and drop :-(
[16:29] <vinnl> Same here :)
[16:36] <nnull> whats app finder
[16:36] <nnull> !appfinder
[16:37] <vinnl> It's in Applications->Accessories->Appfinder
[16:37] <vinnl> (And it's set to be improved a lot in Xfce 4.6 :)
[16:38] <bytor4232> I still think its a little non-intuitive to add a blank launcher, and have to fill it in manually or with appfinder.
[16:38] <vinnl> It is
[16:38] <bytor4232> Not enough to make me hate XFCE, I still love it to death, but its kindof a pain.
[16:41] <bytor4232> cody-somerville: Did you know that I've had to re-enter my security keys with network manager after I upgraded from Hardy to Intrepid?
[16:42] <cody-somerville> bytor4232, oddly enough, I did know you had to do that
[16:42] <cody-somerville> I think you mentioned it once before :P
[16:42] <cody-somerville> :)
[16:42]  * cody-somerville bugs bytor4232
[16:42] <bytor4232> cody-somerville: It wasn't a fluke with one ap either.  I had to enter it for both the wireless access points I connect to.
[16:42] <vinnl> I thought they'd solved that with this version of NM?
[16:43] <bytor4232> I upgraded the laptop on Saturday so no.
[16:43] <cody-somerville> There was an upload today
[16:43] <bytor4232> Ah.
[16:44] <bytor4232> Hopefully that will be settled out before the Intrepid final.
[16:44] <bytor4232> everything but my server is upgraded now, btw.
[16:44] <bytor4232> All three of my desktops and my lappy.
[16:45] <bytor4232> cody-somerville: BTW, the new Xubuntu wallpaper was like reading my mind!
[16:45] <bytor4232> cody-somerville: I was looking for a wallpaper with the Xubuntu logo on it.
[16:47] <cody-somerville> :]
[16:47] <bytor4232> it was a plesant suprise to say the least.
[16:52] <james__> Am I right in thinking 8.10 is gunna be out too soon to include XFCE 4.6? Will I be able to upgrade later on?
[16:53] <vinnl> james__, yep
[16:53] <Myrtti> erm
[16:53] <Myrtti> no
[16:53] <Myrtti> you are wrong
[16:53] <vinnl> There's a repository available to install it, but it's not final
[16:53] <vinnl> Myrtti, how?
[16:53] <Myrtti> officially 8.10 will not have 4.6, I believe
[16:53] <Myrtti> cody-somerville ^
[16:53] <vinnl> Myrtti, that's what he said :)
[16:54] <vinnl> Too soon to include 4.6
[16:54] <Myrtti> missing comma
[16:54] <Myrtti> or something
[16:54] <Myrtti> doesn't parse right in brain
[16:54] <Myrtti> moar caffeine
[16:54] <vinnl> I've tried to turn it every way I could but I can't read it another way :P
[16:58] <Myrtti> roight
[16:58]  * Myrtti waves her hands and runs off.
[16:59] <cody-somerville> lol
[17:00]  * knome tickles Myrtti
[17:24] <jals> !purexfce
[17:24] <jals> just needed that link, think i'm gonna do that now
[17:26] <jals> is it gonna remove sound drivers and stuff like that?
[17:40] <Odd-rationale> jals: now, i don't think so...
[17:42] <jals> ok we'll see in about 11 mins once it all downloads heh
[17:43] <Odd-rationale> jals: you might also want to: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-restricted-extras; sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:43] <jals> is that not included in the link up there?
[17:44] <Odd-rationale> i dont remember...
[17:44] <jals> we'll see
[17:46] <TheOneBlackMage> hello, I was hoping someone might be able to give me some advice on troubleshooting a network problem
[17:47] <TheOneBlackMage> My Xubuntu maching on 8.04 (Kernel  2.6.24-19-generic) when I'm doing a lot of file transfer, the networking stops working.  I can ping machines on the same subnet, but nothing external.  I don't believe the gateway is accessible either.  If i run /etc/init.d/networking restart, it starts working again.  I've checked /var/log/messages, and can't see any errors.  Is there a way to turn on more logging?
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> can you describe it?
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[17:48] <Odd-rationale> you might want to try the main #ubuntu channel for that one...
[17:48] <TheOneBlackMage> ok thanks
[17:48] <TheOneBlackMage> it did sound more generic, but I am running XFCE
[17:49] <Odd-rationale> it's just another way to say, "I don't know" :P
[17:49] <TheOneBlackMage> no worries, i'm stumped myself
[17:50] <TheOneBlackMage> if i could just get some more logging around networking, it would be a start
[18:20] <loois> how do I install new mouse pointers in xubuntu?
[18:43] <alyawn> the default install of xubuntu doesn't seem to mail me when cron jobs complete or fail (or at all). How do I tell cron to email me? I've added MAILTO to my crontab, but nothing
[18:44] <alyawn> am I missing a required package to enable mail to be sent out?
[18:49] <cody-somerville> What do you have set to MAILTO?
[18:53] <ali1234> where can i obtain netboot files for xubuntu without downloading the whole installation CD?
[18:59] <cody-somerville> Ask vinnl
[19:05] <Alix3c3-Help> please, help to install xubuntu on alix 3c3!!!
[19:06] <cody-somerville> What is an Aliex 3c3?
[19:06] <cody-somerville> and whats your problem?
[19:08] <bytor4232> I assume he means this:  http://www.mini-box.com/Alix-3C-Board-3-LAN-1-MINI-PCI-1_2
[19:08] <nparafe> i have installed xubuntu 8.10 beta. Is there a monitor choose tool. Because desktopconfig-gtk doesn't seem to work in this release.
[19:10] <bytor4232> nparafe: I noticed that as well.  Good question.
[19:14] <cody-somerville> Do you have an nvidia card?
[19:17] <nparafe> cody-somerville i do if i am the one who you refer
[19:17] <cody-somerville> well, you can use the nvidia-settings tool
[19:17] <cody-somerville> although, you'll probably have to hack the xorg.conf file afterwards, lol
[19:18] <cody-somerville> and it has to run as root to save the settings, lol
[19:18] <cody-somerville> 9.04 will fix this as xfce 4.6 has a nice xrandr based display config tool
[19:19] <Alix3c3-Help> nparafe: yes, the board is ALIX3c3, I've many many problems with screen output... just flashed the .img file of voyage linux from http://www.yawarra.com.au/sw-osimages.php on a CF 1GB, but I cannot see the screen output, so I've added console=tty0 and console=ttyS0,38400n8 at startup and just arrived (on serial terminal) at login stage, but the screen output stop 2 lines befor the login....
[19:40] <Ahtenus> I have problem connecting to my wireless router. I've typed in the name and password to the WPA encrypted network but then nothing happens. I don'n
[19:41] <vinnl> Ahtenus, did the icon in the top right-hand corner change?
[19:43] <Ahtenus> Currently it is showing that it's connected. It's like a cable between 2 computers. but I'm connected through cabel now.
[19:44] <vinnl> Right, so there were no green balls glowing when connecting?
[19:44] <Ahtenus> humm wait going to try again...
[19:51] <alyawn> cody-somerville: I have my MAILTO set to an external address...
[19:51] <alyawn> but I see nothing in syslog about cron attempting to mail anything
[19:52] <cody-somerville> alyawn, right. so that won't work unless you configure an smtp server.
[19:52] <Ahtenus> No no green balls
[19:53] <Ahtenus> can you hear me ? awkward using irc and setting up wireless..
[19:53] <cody-somerville> lol
[19:53] <vinnl> Ahtenus, OK, what you could try is click the icon and press Manual Configuration
[19:53] <vinnl> Heh, yeah, we can hear you :)
[19:53] <cody-somerville> Frankly, all I hear is my music
[19:53] <vinnl> I was thinking whether I'd add "well, read, actually", but decided not to :P
[19:53] <Ahtenus> vinnI, that is what i have done... but see me through anyway..
[19:54] <alyawn> cody-somerville, so I have to install an smtp server... so is there a preferred smtp server package for xubuntu?
[19:54] <cody-somerville> not particularly
[19:54] <vinnl> Ahtenus, well, you can then select "Properties" of your wireless device, and you can then uncheck "Enable roaming mode"
[19:54] <cody-somerville> alyawn, I'd visit #ubuntu-server for more detailed assistance
[19:54] <alyawn> ok
[19:54] <alyawn> thx
[19:54] <Ahtenus> unchecked..
[19:55] <vinnl> And then configure it there and see if it'll work there... Or is that what you already did?
[19:55] <Ahtenus> vinnl, yes that is what i have done.
[19:56] <vinnl> Ow... Then I guess I'm out of options, all I now is to ask ubottu
[19:56] <vinnl> !wireless
[19:57] <vinnl> *know now
[19:57] <Ahtenus> vinnl,okey
[19:58] <vinnl> Sorry :(
[19:58] <Ahtenus> okey:-(
[20:00] <Ahtenus> vinnl, so there is no easy way to see all the available Wireless networks?
[20:01] <vinnl> Well, normally  there is but apparently it's not working for you
[20:01] <Ahtenus> okey
[21:11] <Alix3c3-Help> hello, I'm going to install xubuntu on ALIX3C3 (embedded) with Vesa graphic card, I only can see: Loading /ubnkern......... Loading /ubninit..........ready. please, help
[23:26] <deardeath> anybody around to help out?
[23:26] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question
[23:27] <deardeath> Is this Kubuntu channel as well?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> No, that's #kubuntu
[23:27] <deardeath> sorry
[23:28] <charlie-tca> no problem
[23:30] <belgarath_> anyone know a good tutorial to develop xfce-apps or gtk-apps for xubuntu?
[23:32] <charlie-tca> I don't know tutorials, but have you checked the wiki? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development
[23:34] <belgarath_> yes I have but I not found any useful information there....
[23:35] <charlie-tca> I think about 3/4 way down the page "I'm familiar with Xubuntu and..." should help
[23:38] <belgarath_> Yeah of course I want to help to improve Xubuntu :P
[23:38] <xxubuxx> hello. i am having a weird problem with my dial-up connection on 7.10 on a eee pc. the first time i used it, it worked fine for maybe 11 hours, and then it began to disconnect randomly. now the modem hangs up every 5 or  10 minutes
[23:39] <belgarath_> but right now I want to learn how to put a nice frontend on my c-application :)
[23:39] <xxubuxx> could anyone help me understand the problem (i'm a xubuntu n00b), please ?
[23:44] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  sry, i have never used the modem on my eeepc.   I experienced some problem with the wireless when I put the machine to sleep mode.
[23:48] <xxubuxx> belgarath_: well, it doesn't go to sleep mode, and the first connection was really long. now it doesn't last more than a few minutes, even though i'm doing nothing except irc
[23:48] <xxubuxx> the ppp connection is just reset all by magic
[23:51] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  it sounds really weird!   i dont know exactly how the ppp is working on xubuntu... but when i used ppp (long time ago) i always had some problem with lock-files that was stored in /tmp
[23:52] <xxubuxx> lock-files?
[23:56] <belgarath_> xxubuxx  you dont recieve any errors?
[23:58] <Zappza> Hi alL!
[23:59] <Zappza> *all
[23:59] <xxubuxx> belgarath_: no error at all. programs like chatzilla don't even detect the hanging-up


[01:12] <bryce> I wonder if we should consider pulling radeonhd into main yet?
[01:36] <ubotu> New bug: #185809 in restricted-manager "[hardy] restricted-manager break xorg when enabling fglrx (dup-of: 188409)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185809
[02:58] <bryce> I've finished outlining -fglrx status too:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Drivers
[02:59] <bryce> please update if anyone spots inaccuracies; I'm going off second hand reports + judgment for many of the reported issues so could easily be mistaken on some details.
[05:23] <tjaalton> bryce: then radeonhd and ati would be fighting over r5xx-> cards
[05:23] <tjaalton> I don't know how that would work out
[05:57] <bryce> yeah
[05:58] <bryce> well, couldn't we have it in main but not the default?
[06:07] <bryce> tjaalton: wow check this new tool out:  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[06:10] <tjaalton> well, if it's not installed by xserver-xorg-video-all, what's the point in having it in main :)
[06:11] <tjaalton> s/point in/point of/
[06:11] <bryce> can't it be installed by -all, but not selected as the default driver in xserver?
[06:12] <tjaalton> both ati and radeonhd support the same pci-id's (or a subset of them in case of radeonhd), so I'm not sure how the xserver chooses the default then
[06:13] <tjaalton> maybe the first it finds, which would be ati
[06:14] <bryce> hmm
[06:14] <tjaalton> hum, new intel. I'll merge it today
[06:57] <tjaalton> *-desktop still depends on xresprobe
[09:56] <tjaalton> bryce: still here?
[09:57] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton: that CPUID patch did something weird on amd64.  I'm not sure what to make of the build log on my PPA.
[09:57] <bryce> tjaalton: yup (barely though)
[09:58] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, now that intel 2.2.1 is close, what should we do with -i810? it's not used by default anyway, everyone is "forced" to -intel
[09:59] <tjaalton> since the server autoloads intel
[09:59] <bryce> well, I have a few bugs in on -i810 migration issues that still remain unfixed, so I generally think we have to keep i810 for now
[09:59] <bryce> I've been hopeful we can deprecate it in time for hardy though, but...
[10:00] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: glad that I didn't include it then ;)
[10:01] <Q-FUNK> tjaalton:  :)
[10:01] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, do you remember which #'s?
[10:01] <Q-FUNK> https://launchpad.net/~q-funk/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=failed
[10:03] <tjaalton> bryce: just to check if they should be fixed or are marked as blockers
[10:04] <bryce> 114331  135093  147189  157610  16887  131972  and probably others
[10:05] <tjaalton> hmm, that's a lot :)
[10:05] <bryce> indeed
[10:06] <tjaalton> although 16887 seems to be invalid/fixed by now
[10:07] <bryce> please go ahead and update; I've not had a chance to get them all updated
[10:07] <tjaalton> ok, I'll forward upstream those that aren't already
[10:08] <bryce> great
[10:08] <bryce> ok, going to bed.  cya tomorrow
[10:09] <tjaalton> bryce: night
[10:13] <Q-FUNK> did bryce switch to .AU time?
[10:14] <tjaalton> it's just 2AM in Portland ;)
[10:14] <Q-FUNK> oh
[10:14] <Q-FUNK> I thought that he was in UK
[10:14] <tjaalton> heh
[10:15] <Q-FUNK> ...and now traveling to AU
[10:15] <Q-FUNK> this gets confusing :)
[10:16] <Q-FUNK> hm. i really wonder why that build failed only on amd64.  could there be some 32-bit only code in bartman's patch?
[10:16] <tjaalton> no idea
[10:17] <jcristau> Q-FUNK: have you actually read that patch?
[10:18] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: no, I just applied and tested whether it builds cleanly on all arch.
[10:18] <jcristau> sigh
[10:19] <jcristau> maybe you should, then
[10:19] <Q-FUNK> I notice an ifdef for amd64
[10:20] <Q-FUNK> right.  a conditional include for 64-bit build.
[10:20] <Q-FUNK> which apparently fails.
[10:21] <Q-FUNK> nice bit of ASM there
[10:22] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: ok.  I see your point.  any suggestion on how to fix this?
[10:23] <tjaalton> Q-FUNK: bug the writer?
[10:23] <jcristau> i thought that was obvious, but don't build i386 asm on amd64?
[10:27] <Q-FUNK> jcristau: this whole construct is an emulator to begin with.  I already find it suspicious that we're trying to make every video and input hardware in the universe appear to X as x86 hardware, in the first place.
[10:28] <jcristau> Q-FUNK: that's the point of an emulator
[10:28] <Q-FUNK> sure, it is.  but native code for each architecture, rather than forcing the whole universe to appear as x86 hardware, would seem to be a more productive approach.
[10:29] <Q-FUNK> it would also be a nice wat to get rid of that dependence on legacy BIOS calls for everything.
[10:29] <jcristau> the bios is x86 code
[10:30] <jcristau> so if you're not an i386, you have to emulate that if you want to call into the bios
[10:30] <Q-FUNK> why should we force non-x86 architectures to play as if they were x86, though?
[10:30] <jcristau> meh
[10:31] <jcristau> once again: because you're running bios calls
[10:32] <Q-FUNK> once again: other architectures don't even have a BIOS.
[10:34] <jcristau> they do
[10:35] <jcristau> so if you want to use it to POST the card on !x86, you need an emulator
[11:02] <tjaalton> bryce: so apart from 147189 none of those bug reports have seen an update during hardy. I'd say it's looking good
[14:46] <ubotu> New bug: #189579 in xorg-server (main) "xephyr should have a menu entry" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189579
[14:59] <ubotu> New bug: #186999 in restricted-manager "Dell OEM ATI graphics chip not recognised by Restricted Drivers Manager" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186999
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #189599 in xorg (main) "[Hardy] Ubuntu does not remember the screen resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189599
[16:16] <tjaalton> oh crap, so the new intel just hangs
[16:21] <pochu> Is that a new feature? :-)
[16:21] <tjaalton> I bet
[16:27] <tjaalton> right, it's already reported on xorg@
[16:35] <bryce> erf, that's the 2.3 driver?
[16:35] <tjaalton> no, <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:36] <tjaalton> which will become 2.2.1
[16:36] <tjaalton> I'll revert the change that broke it
[16:37] <jcristau> tjaalton: jbarnes just posted a new patch
[16:37] <tjaalton> jcristau: oh cool
[16:38] <tjaalton> jcristau: where exactly?
[16:38] <tjaalton> can't see it on gitweb or on the list
[16:39] <jcristau> tjaalton: list
[16:40] <tjaalton> damn snailmail
[16:42] <tjaalton> ok got it
[16:42] <tjaalton> building
[16:44] <tjaalton> now it doesn't hang, but the output is on the wrong port
[16:46] <bryce> (hmm not boding well)
[16:58] <tjaalton> it works after all
[16:58] <tjaalton> I had to reboot though
[16:59] <tjaalton> phew
[17:02] <bryce> cool
[17:02] <bryce> gotta be more careful with that upload button ;-)
[17:03] <tjaalton> glad I tried it before leaving
[17:11] <tjaalton> fix uploaded
[18:30] <ubotu> New bug: #189666 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Intel iwl4965 microcode not included in rt restricted modules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189666
[19:43] <ubotu> New bug: #189690 in mesa (main) "libGLw.so is not provided by a package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189690
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #189692 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "problem with intel card and resolution (dup-of: 189694)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189692
[20:17] <bryce> hmm, here's a question - will we support upgrades of dual-head systems from Dapper with Xinerama to Hardy with Xrandr?
[21:11] <tjaalton> heh, sounds like a real nightmare
[21:29] <bryce> yeah I just flashed on that after closing a dapper-era xinerama upgrade bug.  o_O
[21:29] <tjaalton> it's just not doable
[21:31] <bryce> I'm worried that if we're going to advertise working upgrades from Dapper->Gutsy, it's going to bite us on the butt if people expect a Dapper-era xorg.conf to be supported without issue on Hardy
[21:32] <bryce> I think we're going to need to have the upgrade process move aside their xorg.conf and generate a new one
[21:32] <bryce> but even that can lead us into problems...
[21:33] <tjaalton> that's one example why a robust gui configurator would be nice to have
[21:41] <jcristau> don't people have bullet-pproof-x to[B[B[B
[21:43] <tjaalton> :)
[21:44] <bryce> :-P
[21:44] <jcristau> sorry
[21:44] <jcristau> ssh lag
[21:45] <bryce> it made me laugh though ;-)
[21:45] <soren> How can I see which program stole my input focus?
[21:46] <bryce> uhhh
[21:46] <soren> Hm.. No, that can't be it, now that I think about it.
[21:46] <bryce> hrm, I wrote a test code to re-steal focus and restore it, but I don't know if it's possible to determine what took it to begin with
[21:46] <soren> X just stopped accepting keyboard input from me.
[21:46] <bryce> is this in kvm or in general?
[21:46] <soren> General
[21:47] <soren> If I do the x2x trick, I can type on my laptop and it shows up, so it's not a focus problem.
[21:47] <soren> It's just.. Odd.
[21:49] <bryce> not sure, but there's been a few of those bugs reported
[21:50] <soren> chvt'ing away from X and back doesn't fix it. That surprised me somewhat.
[21:56] <bryce> but the keyboard works ok when you're at a vt I take it?
[21:56] <soren> Yeah, no problems there.
[21:57] <bryce> bug 184078 is the one I was thinking of
[21:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184078 in xorg "keyboard stops working until logout" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184078
[21:57] <bryce> does that match your issue?
[21:59] <bryce> wow, searching ubuntu for "keyboard stops working" gives 100 hits
[22:02] <bryce> bug 58884 sounds a bit closer to your symptoms actually
[22:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58884 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard "Random keyboard failure in X" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58884
[22:03] <soren> I can't even ctrl-alt-f1 to get away from X. It completely ignores me.
[22:03] <bryce> hmm, nope that bug's ancient
[22:03] <bryce> in fact it looks abandoned.  I'll invalidate it and shoo away the me-too'ers
[22:10] <tjaalton> I think the issue is new with xserver 1.4
[22:10] <tjaalton> soren: how often do you see it?
[22:11] <soren> tjaalton: This is the first time, i think.
[22:11] <tjaalton> ok
[22:11] <soren> tjaalton: Er.. Strike the "I think" part. I would certainly have noticed it if it had happened before.
[22:11] <tjaalton> mouse works normally, you can do stuff with it?
[22:11] <soren> Sure.
[22:12] <tjaalton> ok, so the server is not hung :)
[22:12] <tjaalton> damn
[22:12] <tjaalton> can you ssh to the box?
[22:12] <soren> Sure.
[22:12] <tjaalton> the log might help, or not :)
[22:13] <soren> That's how I did the x2x thing.
[22:13] <tjaalton> x2x?
[22:13] <soren> Yes.
[22:13] <tjaalton> ah
[22:14] <soren> It allows you to use one keyboard and one mouse on two different X servers.
[22:14] <soren> ..it places a window on an edge of your screen and sends events to the remove X server using the XTEST extension.
[22:14] <tjaalton> neat, haven't seen that before :)
[22:16] <soren> O_O
[22:17] <soren> Oh, it's pretty nifty.
[22:17] <soren> It's default mode of operation is quite boring. You want the -{north,east,south,west} option.
[22:18] <tjaalton> I need to try that at work
[22:19] <jcristau> it needs a maintainer ;)
[22:19] <tjaalton> hehe :)
[22:24] <bryce> heh, I used x2x for a wonky 2-machine multi-head thingee I did a long time ago
[22:24] <bryce> I remember it being a bit quirky
[22:27] <soren> wfm
[22:44] <tjaalton> bryce: I'll close the libGLw.so bug as wontfix, since it would pull lesstif into main. I believe the security team still doesn't want to support that
[22:44] <bryce> tjaalton: sounds good


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