[08:32] <babyface_> jamespage,  ping
[08:32] <jamespage> babyface_, morning
[08:32] <babyface_> jamespage, good morning!
[08:33] <babyface_> jamespage, I just found that the job http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/view/Quantal/view/ISO%20Testing/job/quantal-server-amd64_tomcat-server/70/testReport/junit/test/TomcatServerTest/testTomcatDaemon/  failed again.  but in this bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat7/+bug/1025595   you said you already increased the time
[08:33] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1025595 in tomcat7 "tomcat7 not running on port 8005 after installation" [Undecided,Invalid]
[08:34] <babyface_> jamespage, could you have a look on it?
[08:35] <jamespage> babyface_, I have - but it is possible that on a really slow VM that it still does not complete in time.
[08:36] <jamespage> babyface_, I am considering an alternative fix to this - to make randomness a bit quicker in the test VM for this test
[08:36] <babyface_> jamespage,  yes, please.
[08:37] <babyface_> jamespage, we can not just let it be unstable, that looks ugly  ;)
[08:37] <jamespage> babyface_, yes - but it is a test failure rather than a bug... I will fix it but not right now...
[08:38] <jamespage> babyface_, if you want a green ball just run it again - in all likelyhood it will pass..
[08:38] <infinity> jamespage: Assuming this is a /dev/random entropy issue, just make the VMs use urandom for random?
[08:38] <jamespage> infinity, yeah - that was my thinking
[08:38] <babyface_> jamespage, ack, I know, it's not a big deal, and not a real bug in code, so take you time and fix it when you are free
[08:38] <jamespage> i've just not got to it yet
[08:38] <infinity> (That said, I could see it as a package bug too, if the package sometimes forks the daemon but then doesn't *actually* start for a minute, that's a bit unintuitive)
[08:40] <infinity> jamespage: But it's certainly a bug/misfeature in the test framework to ever use a real /dev/random, unless the point of the test is actually to test quality of randomness (which would be a rather rare testcase, I suspect).
[08:51] <jamespage> infinity, certainly not in this case
[09:51] <xnox> !package haveged
[09:51] <ubot2> Factoid 'package haveged' not found
[09:51] <xnox> !deb haveged
[09:51] <ubot2> Factoid 'deb haveged' not found
[09:51] <xnox> jamespage: infinity: $ sudo apt-get install haveged
[09:51] <xnox> this will give you more entropy without using urandom. I do this a lot on VMs.
[09:51] <jamespage> xnox, that of course is another alternative...
[09:52]  * jamespage wonders what that package actuall does...
[09:52] <xnox> Linux entropy source using the HAVEGE algorithm
[09:52] <xnox> french wrote it, it must be good =)
[11:17] <cjwatson> stgraber: I've confirmed that all those duplicate ArchivePermission rows are gone now.
[11:18] <cjwatson> stgraber: (P.S. please use edit-acl rather than edit_acl.py - at some point I'll drop that compat symlink)
[11:48] <Laney> erm...
[11:49] <Laney> Riddell: you're not in backporters; why are you uploading and accepting backports?
[11:56] <Riddell> Laney: it's not good enough to be a core-dev?
[11:56] <Laney> no, just as it isn't for SRUs
[12:30] <Riddell> Laney: sorry about that
[13:09] <stgraber> cjwatson: yay, thanks for cleaning that up!
[14:34] <skaet> ogra_, Daviey -  I'm seeing we're still building arm server armhf+omap - who's using it/testing it?  and can it be dropped?
[14:49] <skaet> mvo,  we're starting to ramp into A3 now.   Could you please do the GnomeAppInstallDatabaseUpdate now?
[15:11] <balloons> I just realized we're still showing 'quantal daily' and not alpha 3 as our milestone
[15:14] <ogra_> skaet, well, i switched armhf to alternate over the weekend and would greastly prefer to drop server preinstalled but i'm not sure if QA relies on preinstalled
[15:14] <ogra_> skaet, alternate is only built for omap4 atm
[15:14] <skaet> balloons, we'll be switching it over today
[15:14] <ogra_> skaet, and server preinstalled is still broken
[15:15] <skaet> ogra_,  why do we care about armhf+omap?
[15:15] <skaet> for server
[15:16] <ogra_> skaet, because its the easiest way to install adev setup on a beagle
[15:16] <ogra_> *a dev
[15:16] <ogra_> using ubuntu-core is painful to set up, the alternative is the netboot images but these indeed require a network connection
[15:17] <ogra_> but i wouldnt cry if we lose them
[15:18] <ogra_> skaet, as for all omap3 images, we only build them because it has such a big community ... but we're lacking testers here
[15:20] <skaet> ogra_,  if we're lacking testers,  not much point in building them while we're limited for capacity.
[15:20]  * Riddell wonders if he has time to slip in one extra new package into the archive for alpha 3
[15:21] <ogra_> skaet, well, we get the kernel and bootloader for free (close to zero work) and we have a ton of spare beagleboards in the datacenter (former builders)
[15:21] <ogra_> we should just send them out to some people :)
[15:22] <micahg> Riddell: mind if I rebuild calligra-l10n today for bug #1027215
[15:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1027215 in calligra-l10n "calligra-l10n-xx should enhance, not recommend calligra" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1027215
[15:22]  * micahg doesn't want to disrupt kubuntu alpha 3
[15:23] <skaet> Riddell,  how many hours is it going to take to build?
[15:23] <Riddell> micahg: yes please go ahead
[15:23] <skaet> (and dependencies...?)
[15:25] <Riddell> skaet: 5 minutes says launchpad, but it's actually not on the images so it shouldn't be an issue for alpha I think
[15:32] <skaet> Riddell,  if its not on the image no worries,  even if it is,  we're still fine for something that small.
[15:33]  * skaet more worried about kernels, unity, firefox, launchpad, etc.
[15:42]  * cjwatson is still hoping to get the server squashfs work in today
[15:43] <cjwatson> just fixing tasksel at the moment
[15:43] <cjwatson> almost everything else is done
[15:47] <cjwatson> skaet: what's the worry about launchpad?
[15:52] <skaet> cjwatson,  no worry about launchpad,  just that "package" can be rather an ambiguous term in terms of build time.
[15:53] <skaet> was just trying to figure if it was something smallish,  or not
[15:55] <cjwatson> ok
[16:07] <ScottK> infinity: What are the chances you get around to fixing the fact that soyuz makes packages with uninstallable build-deps FTBFS instead of putting them in dep wait anytime soon?
[16:07] <ScottK> In Kubuntu there's discussion of rewickering the packages to work around this, but it'll be work that could be avoided if that's going to happen soonish.
[17:59] <skaet> Laney, slangasek https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Alpha3  is ready for data to be added from the various teams now.
[18:00] <Laney> great, perhaps link it from the freeze announcement
[18:04] <skaet> Laney, yup,  just posting here to let you know that step is done.
[19:22] <skaet> infinity,  until the new arm build infrastructure comes online,  can we drop arm server armhf+omap?   I don't think we have any testing lined up for, it,  and we're getting pretty close to capacitity with arm builds in the 24 period.
[19:23] <infinity> skaet: I'm happy dropping it forever and just having netboot.
[19:24] <infinity> (Same goes for all armhf+omap images)
[19:25] <infinity> We discussed this last Alpha, but I think failed to come to action.
[19:25] <skaet> infinity,  ok.    for all the ones you're the signoff for,  consider removed from the manifest then.
[19:26] <infinity> Riddell / ScottK: Any qualms about dropping armhf+omap from Kubutu (not omap4, just omap)
[19:26] <infinity> skaet: Which ones am I signed off for? :P
[19:27] <skaet> infinity, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseManifest
[19:28] <skaet> ubuntu server pre-installed armhf+omap,  ubuntu preinstalled armhf+omap are the ones I'm spotting with your name beside
[19:28] <infinity> Right.  And Kubuntu doesn't list it in the manifest anyway, so dropping that works too.
[19:28] <Riddell> infinity: I'm fine with it but is there a way I can justify that to my community?
[19:28] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think we have any testers.
[19:29] <infinity> Riddell: You apparently don't list it as a release image anyway... Unless that was a mistake.
[19:29] <infinity> Riddell: And you so don't have testers.  I ended up testing that image for precise.
[19:29] <infinity> (And it sucked... Beagleboard + KDE = lolz)
[19:29] <ScottK> And the Canonical QA person who used to do it in his personal time doesn't work for Canonical anymore.
[19:29] <ScottK> So no testing.
[19:30] <Riddell> that'll do then, fine to drop it
[19:34] <skaet> infinity,  ok,  dropped from the manifest.     nusakan need editing to reflect,  but I need to go to dentist now.   If you get to it before I return, post here please.
[19:34] <infinity> Erk.
[19:34] <infinity> Laney: We dropped all precise arm images?
[19:35] <Laney> infinity: Apparently that was the decision.
[19:35] <skaet> infinity Core should still be there.
[19:35] <infinity> I missed that memo.
[19:35] <infinity> Well, yes.  I don't count core when I talk about images.
[19:35] <infinity> Cause it's not one.
[19:36] <infinity> Not an installer, anyway. :P
[19:36] <infinity> Laney: What was the driver behind ARM not being cool enough for point releases?
[19:36] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest/12.04.1
[19:36] <skaet> infinity, ^ this is for daily builds prior to LTS release.
[19:37] <infinity> skaet: Kay, that doesn't give me rationale.
[19:37] <skaet> and follow on from what was indicated as LTS vs. not in:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest
[19:37] <skaet> all the arm ones were 18 month support
[19:38] <infinity> Ahh, fair enough.
[19:39] <infinity> Laney: That probably didn't need default-arches mangling, mind you, since "not doing daily-preinstalled builds" would have a similar effect.
[19:39] <infinity> Anyhow.  No big deal.  Just conflicted with my changes. :P
[19:39] <skaet> infinity,  what changes????
[19:39] <infinity> ...
[19:40] <Laney> hahaha
[19:40] <infinity> skaet: The ones we discussed 6 minutes ago?
[19:40] <skaet> heh,  ok.  :)
[19:41] <skaet> sorry,  Laney's were done earlier and I was worried it was something else.
[19:41]  * skaet --> dental appt.  biab
[20:08] <balloons> I updated the notice board for the ETA on when the milestone builds will hit. Can we please make sure it stays up to date as we have respins, etc? Thanks!
[20:08] <balloons> it's currently listed as 0600 on July 24th -- update if that day/time changes
[20:10] <cjwatson> I'm switching the server images over to squashfs-base style now
[20:10] <cjwatson> I guess there's some kind of fiddly pad thing I have to update?
[20:11] <slangasek> for the image build list, there's http://pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release
[20:13] <ScottK> http://greenwellplumber.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Bathroom_humor_by_charfade1.jpg
[20:18] <cjwatson> OK, server switched to squashfs-base, amended pad accordingly
[20:19] <cjwatson> running an experimental build now, since all is quiet
[20:34] <cjwatson> Oops, build failure with squashfs-base.  Fixing ...
[22:23] <ScottK> Is the highbank stuff going into Quantal as well?  Precise-proposed before Quantal doesn't fit the SRU policy.
[22:28] <stgraber> NCommander: ^
[22:28] <NCommander> ScottK: its already in Quantal, but flash-kernel had a rewrite so its a different patch
[22:28] <ScottK> OK.
[22:28] <ScottK> Thanks.
[22:29] <NCommander> I'm waiting for my PPA to finish building d-i to make sure I got everything sane then that gets uploaded and can be fully tested
[22:30] <ScottK> Good to hear it's (at least not in the short term) another poulsbo.
[22:30]  * NCommander grumbles, armhf/powerpc seems tohave dropped off my PPA
[22:30] <ScottK> (which you could only ever run on one Ubuntu release)
[22:31] <NCommander> ScottK: its been a bit of a pain TBH. d-i itself requires a command line option to run while everything is in proposed. There is a chance everything might work, and the moment it gets pocket copied to updates it will break
[22:31] <NCommander> (I'm pretty sure it won't, but we've never built a new image on a point release before)
[22:31]  * skaet back
[22:32] <ScottK> The good news is that whatever it does, it's not a regression ....
[22:48] <skaet> slangasek, Laney - email sent for the freeze.
[22:49] <infinity> NCommander: Eh?  d-i requires no such thing.
[22:49] <NCommander> infinity: ?
[22:50] <infinity> NCommander: We do d-i in proposed all the time, how is that broken for you?
[22:51] <NCommander> infinity: no, I'm not expecting it to break. However, because highbank's enablement bits are in proposed, we need to set apt-setup/proposed=true on the command line for testing
[22:51] <skaet> slangasek,  will you be doing the debian-installer upload for the new kernel?
[22:51] <infinity> Oh, sure.  Kay, I thought you meant something sketchier for building.
[22:51] <infinity> skaet: I will.
[22:51] <infinity> skaet: Once they all roll in.
[22:52] <NCommander> I know d-i will pull udebs from updates, but a voice in the back of my head tells me to revalidate the instant highbank migrates to updates
[22:52] <skaet> infinity,  what's still left to land?
[22:52] <NCommander> infinity: when do you plan to upload d-i? I'm about to upload it to add highbank (I can depwaiton your patches)
[22:52] <infinity> skaet: Two ARMs and a PowerPC.
[22:52]  * skaet should have known.
[22:52] <infinity> NCommander: Talking about quantal here.
[22:53] <NCommander> oh
[22:53] <infinity> NCommander: But I do need to commit a kernel ABI bump for precise-proposed too.  No reason those can't be in the same upload as your fiddling, however.
[22:54] <NCommander> infinity: I committed my highbank d-i patches onto the proposed branch, and testbuilt on armhf/i386 and looks good, so if you just want to upload it tonight
[22:54] <skaet> slangasek, infinity - I'm going to turn off the cron now, and point the next set of builds to start populating alpha 3 on the iso tracker.
[22:54]  * skaet figures Laney's EODed by now...
[22:55] <NCommander> infinity: if you plan on doing your ABI bump tonight, I'll leave it as is, else I rather upload ASAP as mahmoh and mreed need to testthis
[22:56] <infinity> NCommander: I can do it tonight.  Gives me a chance to quickly review your bits too.
[22:56] <NCommander> infinity: thanks
[23:07] <skaet> cron for quantal disabled,   builds targetted to Quantal Alpha 3
[23:24] <skaet> infinity, am looking at the changes made to the server rebuild, and its not synching up with what's in the crontab for server at the moment.  Do you know or cjwatson make the changes to the pad?
[23:24] <skaet> (pad.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-release)
[23:27] <infinity> skaet: They seem to reconcile fine for me, what's the issue?
[23:29] <cjwatson> skaet: What infinity said.
[23:29] <cjwatson> I made those changes.
[23:31] <skaet> cjwatson,  seeing buildlive with for-project $p cron.daily  looked a bit odd
[23:31] <cjwatson> It's correct, and it matches the crontab.
[23:32] <cjwatson> It's not really a "live" build; we're using buildlive because it knows how to build squashfses, but it's just for the base system.
[23:32] <cjwatson> The images still use d-i.
[23:33] <skaet> thanks.  that makes a bit more sense.
[23:33] <slangasek> skaet: cron> sounds good, thanks


[09:09] <brendand> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/certification-testing/+bug/1211934. sorry for the delay
[09:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1211934 in Kernel SRU Workflow "linux: 3.8.0-29.42 -proposed tracker" [Medium,In progress]
[09:09] <infinity> brendand: Many thanks.  I'll release that right now before I pass out.
[09:10] <brendand> infinity, are your working hours 10am - unconsciousness?
[09:11] <infinity> brendand: Something like that.
[09:11] <brendand> infinity, hardcore
[09:12] <infinity> brendand: One man's hardcore is another man's stupid. ;)
[09:12] <brendand> infinity, i was being nice :)
[12:31]  * henrix -> lunch
[13:07] <henrix> hmm.... i can access http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git but git fetch is failing me with 'Name or service not known'. is anyone else seeing this?
[13:14] <henrix> sorry for the noise. it was just my ISP. again.
[13:46] <smoser> anyone want to comment for me on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1181755
[13:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1181755 in aufs-tools (Ubuntu) "aufs include is broken" [High,Confirmed]
[13:47] <rtg> smoser, I'm lookign at it
[13:54] <smoser> it seems to me like we're just not collecting up a uapi directory ?
[13:56] <rtg> smoser, not sure yet, but it seems quite broken.
[15:14] <jsalisbury> **
[15:14] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[15:14] <jsalisbury> **
[16:36] <hallyn_> jodh: smb: fwiw, qemu-system-x86_64 on i386 should simply run a 32-bit guest iiuc
[16:36] <smb> hallyn_, Thats what I _heard_ but it made a difference
[16:37] <jodh> smb/hallyn: where can we get definitive answers to these questions?
[16:37] <hallyn_> jodh: what questions
[16:39] <smb> hallyn_, I guest the one what is the expected behaviour doing qemu-system-x86_64 inside a 32bit guest.
[16:39] <hallyn_> jodh: keep in mind that while i'm fighting it, debian wants to obsolete the /usr/bin/kvm wrapper.
[16:39] <hallyn_> make you use qemu-system-$arch
[16:40] <hallyn_> so if *that* turns out to be the problem (which I would doubt) then we shoul djust get rid of kvm :(
[16:41] <smb> hallyn_, Not sure this is also something that might get deprecated, but currently alternates sets up a qemu link that either goes 64bit or 32bit depending on the installation
[16:43] <hallyn_> smb: so are you implying that the first level guest is 64-bit on 32-bit, and second level guest thinks its pure 64-bit so does things slightly differently in kvm kernel bits?
[16:43] <hallyn_> smb: i shoudl shut up, you guys are making fine progress.  i will read through the bug tomorrow and see if i can jump in with anything.
[16:45] <smb> hallyn_, Well I can only guess what the host is (my guess would be 64bit). Which then starts an instance that is 32bit and using 64bit qemu binary to start another 32bit guest seems to do something weird at some point
[16:45] <smb> Not quite sure yet what, but somehow it seems to cause hangs on modprobe
[16:45] <hallyn_> smb: you mean host is 64-bit hw and 32-bit userspace?
[16:45] <hallyn_> otherwise why would it default to creating 32-bit guest.  never does for me
[16:46] <smb> hallyn_, Because you ask it to though openstack ami?
[16:47] <hallyn_> oh
[16:58] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:58] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 2 minutes
[16:58] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:20]  * rtg -> lunch
[20:25]  * rtg -> EOD
[20:34] <hallyn_> smoser: drat, i didn't realize the mainline kernelbuilds don't have overlayfs.  there's a waste of 5 mins
[20:37] <smoser> doh!


[14:25] <mup> Bug #1492531 changed: MAAS seems to be using old Trusty images <MAAS:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1492531>
[14:40] <mup> Bug #1562888 opened: [2.0] DHCP Snippets are not validated before committed <MAAS:Confirmed for ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562888>
[14:49] <mup> Bug #1562888 changed: [2.0] DHCP Snippets are not validated before committed <MAAS:Confirmed for ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562888>
[14:55] <mup> Bug #1562888 opened: [2.0] DHCP Snippets are not validated before committed <MAAS:Confirmed for ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562888>
[16:01] <mup> Bug #1562919 opened: creating a dnsresource-record at the root of a zone should allow fqdn= <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562919>
[16:37] <mup> Bug #1562939 opened: [2.0] ValueError: The following fields do not exist in this model or are m2m fields: s, u, a, t <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562939>
[17:07] <mup> Bug #1562955 opened: it should be possible to create arbitrary dns resource records in reverse dns zones <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1562955>
[19:09] <stuntkite> Hey y'all. I'm sure this is pretty common, but I'm doing my best to setup openstack for the first time. I've been stuck on getting MAAS to do anything but get hung up on Commissioning for about 3 days now
[19:09] <stuntkite> the CLI lists my nodes just fine
[19:09] <stuntkite> if I commission one from the CLI it pops up in the GUI
[19:09] <stuntkite> stil... sticks on commissioning
[19:10] <stuntkite> using Vish for my power management
[19:10] <stuntkite> say it's connected fine, can turn power on and off.
[19:13] <stuntkite> the cli and the web list all my boot images just fine
[19:21] <roaksoax> stuntkite: howdy!
[19:21] <roaksoax> stuntkite: what do you mean "sticks on commissioning"
[19:37] <stuntkite> I mean that it just says that it's comissioning forever but never commisions or moves to Ready
[19:37] <stuntkite> so I can't deploy anything on the node
[19:38] <stuntkite> I'm creating the nodes with a command similar to this:
[19:38] <stuntkite> sudo virt-install --hvm --memory 80000 --pxe --nodisks --name node-001
[19:39] <stuntkite> I feel like I'm missing a crucial part of this process and I just can't figure out what
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1563084 opened: [2.0a4] Provide DHCP should always allow the user to define a range in case one was already defined <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563084>
[22:47] <mup> Bug #1563094 opened: builtins.FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'bzr' <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563094>


[09:55] <zniavre> just discover a small project i find really well done > tint2  an alternative panel
[09:55] <zniavre> http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3820/capturezvk.png
[10:19] <kwwii> omg michael jackson died
[10:29] <macvr> dashua: have you considered a transparent .png for the panel? rather than a traditional coloring?
[12:20] <mat_t> Chaotic_, hi!
[12:21] <Chaotic_> mat_t: Hi
[12:22] <mat_t> Chaotic_ is Otto Greenslade, leading the visual design efforts in the design team
[12:22] <mat_t> (that's for the round of introductions)
[12:23] <mat_t> Please feel free to poke him from time to time :)
[12:26] <macvr> thorwil: any plans for new boot submissions?
[12:27] <thorwil> macvr: no
[12:27] <macvr> :(
[12:28] <andreasn> hello Chaotic_, I'm andreasn, primary GNOME design. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions on anything
[12:28] <andreasn> primary GNOME designer I mean
[12:29] <thorwil> macvr: asking me before i even read that announcement was a bt early, anyway ;p
[12:30] <andreasn> Chaotic_, apparently I'm very good of knowing what every icon name used in GNOME is by heart :)
[12:31] <macvr> well... no one disturb kwwii for a few days , he is in mourning ;p
[12:32] <andreasn> mat_t, are you involved in the 100 papercuts thing?
[12:40] <robsta> hello  Chaotic_, i'm the css engine guy
[12:40] <macvr> andreasn: papercuts is a big mess :( ...
[12:40] <andreasn> macvr, are all 100 filled? I just found another, but I can probably report it as a regular bug
[12:41] <macvr> andreasn: there are more than 1000! filed!
[12:41] <andreasn> apparently gtkfilechooser and nautilus have different ideas on how invisible folders should be sorted
[12:41] <macvr> sorting them is huge problem ,since most are feature requests....
[12:42] <andreasn> but it is a terribly minor issue, so I'm certain people have very different ideas on how it should be solved :)
[12:42] <macvr> andreasn: file it , and paste link... i'll confirm it
[12:43] <macvr> i'll been looking into the papercuts , for past 2 days and so many are invalid...
[12:44] <macvr> andreasn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut < just make sure it fits the criteria , also adding your fix would make it easier
[12:44] <andreasn> "Put briefly, a paper cut is a trivially fixable usability bug that the average user would encounter on his/her first day of using a brand new installation of Ubuntu Desktop Edition*."
[12:45] <andreasn> hm, that would mean the hidden files thing would be invalid probably
[12:45] <andreasn> as a papercut, not as a bug
[12:46] <macvr> yup...
[12:48] <macvr> andreasn: i think i know the problem you are referring to... pls file a bug for that , the file order is so different in gtk and nautilus, since i have set always show hidden files.i would love to see a solution soon :)
[12:54] <andreasn> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587040
[12:56] <macvr> :)
[12:57] <Cimi_> andreasn, I've just tested dolphin (kde4)
[12:57] <Cimi_> andreasn, hidden files first
[12:58] <Cimi_> it should be better to have the same behaviour accross different desktop environments
[13:07] <Cimi_> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/nautilus/tree/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c
[13:07] <Cimi_> line 2526
[13:07] <Cimi_> that's the function to patch
[14:15] <mat_t> andreasn: indeed
[14:18] <Chaotic_> hello everyone :)
[14:39] <SiDi> Chaotic_: hiya
[14:56] <mat_t> andreasn, you've asked about paper cuts, this is the list of 100 we would like to get fixed: https://edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/karmic
[14:57] <andreasn> I wondered if you needed more of them, but if I understood correctly, you
[14:57] <andreasn> 're currently up to your necks in submitted papercuts
[14:58] <mat_t> andreasn: yes, we've had over 1100 submitted so far
[14:58] <andreasn> are the papercuts intended to be fixed primary by Ubuntu devs, or would you consider them good starting points for new developers?
[14:59] <andreasn> I met a guy at my neighbors house the other day that mentioned he "would like to fix something in Ubuntu"
[14:59] <mat_t> andreasn: anyone can submit a fix
[15:00] <mat_t> andreasn: there's more than enough bugs for everybody :)
[15:00] <andreasn> I'll point him to that list as well if I run into him again, I already pointed him to GNOME Love
[15:00] <mat_t> cool
[15:02] <mat_t> andreasn: there's a bunch of artwork bugs, too, that this group could help with
[15:03] <andreasn> I could look through it and see if it's something that could be forwarded upstream, do you have a URL?
[15:10] <mat_t> andreasn: you'd have to look through the list, I don't think we have a separate URL for artwork-related bugs
[15:12] <kwwii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.searchtext=icon&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= is a good
[15:45] <mat_t> kwwii, you've won the award for the longest url ever pasted
[15:45] <mat_t> ;)
[15:46] <SiDi> wherewherewhere
[15:46] <mat_t> SiDi, I think you just missed it
[15:46] <SiDi> damn
[15:46] <mat_t> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bugs?field.searchtext=icon&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_p
[15:46] <mat_t> ackage=
[15:46] <SiDi> nice
[15:47] <mat_t> how can you *not* love Launchpad
[15:47] <mat_t> ;)
[15:48] <kwwii> hehe
[15:49] <kwwii> all I did was go to the bugs for the project and search for "icon" ;)
[15:51] <mat_t> kwwii, and you'd imagine it would be something like https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/search&string=icon or something...
[15:52] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, no doubt...everything that I typed in is in the first 50 letters or so
[15:53] <kwwii> the rest is just baggage
[15:53]  * SiDi yawns
[15:54] <kwwii> so any ideas on the "sound and video" category icon? http://sinecera.de/player2b.png is the wip
[15:54] <SiDi> btw kwwii ive got a "final" version of those notification-battery icons on my lp page
[15:54] <SiDi> what shall i do with them ?
[15:54] <kwwii> SiDi: did you post a link to the list?
[15:54] <kwwii> or send me an email with a link?
[15:55] <SiDi> its on ayatana
[15:55] <kwwii> I like launchpad but it has been a while since I browsed through pages on it for fun :p
[15:55] <andreasn> kwwii, how does it look in the size it will be displayed in 95%+ of the time (ie 24x24)?
[15:56] <kwwii> andreasn: actually, that icon looks pretty good small, but I am only making that for the larger sizes
[15:56] <SiDi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sidi/+junk/notification-battery/files
[15:57] <kwwii> andreasn: http://sinecera.de/player2b-b.png is the large svg exported at 24x24...it is amazingly not-shit :p
[15:58] <SiDi> kwwii: 404
[15:58] <kwwii> i get the feeling that I am on the ayatana irc server but not on the mailing list
[15:59] <kwwii> oops
[15:59] <kwwii> andreasn: http://sinecera.de/player2b-2.png
[16:02] <kwwii> SiDi: I'll put them in the package...I will be updating it very soon (within days) in karmic
[16:02] <SiDi> kwwii: they seem ok with the idea, but i dont know who will implement it. if it's for me i'll do that in early september, i think
[16:03] <SiDi> since its just rewriting a few strings in the app.. but i just need to know they wont patch it again and again after (cause g-p-m changes a lot latelyt)
[16:03] <SiDi> cheers kwwii
[16:03] <kwwii> I'll ping you next week when I know more and we can discuss any problems
[16:03] <kwwii> :)
[16:07] <andreasn> kwwii, looks sane, but would it perhaps end up a bit complex if put together with other icons. Maybe get rid of 1 of 3 elements?
[16:08] <SiDi> kwwii: okies
[16:08] <kwwii> andreasn: yeah...I as thinking the same
[16:08] <kwwii> the play button on top is kinda overkill anyway
[16:08] <andreasn> agreed
[16:09] <andreasn> did you have any more luck with the firefox close icon bug?
[16:09] <kwwii> well, I found out that firefox does indeed screw up the lookup
[16:09] <andreasn> I wonder if fixing the order in index.theme and replacing the 16x16 with the image I attached to the bug would help
[16:09] <andreasn> oh, so it is a FF bug after all?
[16:09] <kwwii> so I made a new 16x16 pixel icon which is flat (and really only like 14x14)
[16:10] <kwwii> so in the end we can work around the problem
[16:10] <kwwii> but this solution kinda sucks because nautilus does the lookup correctly and now finds the 16x16 pixel version before the 12x12
[16:10] <andreasn> would you like to make a comment on that in the Mozilla bugzilla?
[16:11] <andreasn> I wouldn't count on that it would go into 3.5, as that is drawing really close
[16:11] <andreasn> but perhaps in 3.6
[16:12]  * kwwii makes a bugzilla account
[16:12] <kwwii> it takes a lot of work to comment on a bug at mozilla
[16:14] <andreasn> it kind of keep me away from reporting bugs on certain products as well :(
[16:17] <kwwii> well, I have now added my mustard to the sandwich...
[16:43] <mat_t> kwwii: any thoughts on the boot splash submissions? Should we have a separate page for it?
[16:55] <mat_t> kwwii: sorry had to reboot
[17:03] <kwwii> mat_t: yeah, we can put it under boot or such
[17:08] <mat_t> kwwii: cool
[17:10] <kwwii> added it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot
[17:11] <kwwii> once the internet wakes up launchpad and the servers boot
[17:12] <kwwii> i hope james has some kind of electrical implant in his head that causes him pain every time a person waits for a wiki page to load
[17:12] <knome> lol
[17:13] <asomething> i'm not sure anyone could survive that!
[17:15] <kwwii> ;)
[17:26] <robsta> hey thorwil
[17:26] <thorwil> hi robsta
[17:26] <robsta> thorwil: single canvas is much too slow, i need to extract the widgets, like the icon theme does
[17:27] <robsta> thorwil: sorry, that means more delay
[17:28] <robsta> thorwil: the problem is that with the plates the whole svg has to be rendered each time, and the rest is just clipped
[17:28] <thorwil> robsta: delay is currently not a problem for me :)
[17:28] <robsta> thorwil: but for me, i want a functional theme :)
[17:29] <thorwil> robsta: so, do you go for spliting at use-time, not design-time?
[17:29] <thorwil> as in, the template can stay as one huge SVG, it just can't be used directly?
[17:29] <robsta> thorwil: yes exactly
[17:29] <thorwil> phew :)
[17:30] <robsta> the plan is that when you run "make dist" to create the tarball, the cache is created automatically
[17:30] <robsta> so you can still use the widget factory or whatever, it will just take long to start
[17:31]  * kwwii takes his son to see transformers2 ...have fun
[17:31] <kwwii> mat_t: have a nice vacation, see you in a couple of weeks


[01:25] <Guest7013> hey guys does anyone know why xubuntu doesnt have window tiling whereas the linux mint version has it?
[01:27] <Guest7013> is anyone even here?
[01:45] <sdejean_at_gn> Guest43253, I think that has to do w/ XFCE version
[01:46] <sdejean_at_gn> Guest43253, xubuntu is still on 4.8 for their LTS release, Mint is on 4.10
[03:21] <n2diy> Recently upgraded from 10.xx LTS to 12.04 LTS, and no more youtube or facebook videos!? Restricted Extras and Adobe Installer are installed, what gives?
[03:37] <etrask> Hello all. I have the latest Xubuntu installed but when I am trying to connect to my wireless password, in the dialog where it asks for my password, the "Connect" button is grayed out after I paste it in. What gives?
[03:38] <etrask> wireless network*, sorry
[03:39] <Maccer> Too long, invalid format, etrask?
[03:39] <Maccer> Depending on the encryption there's different requirements.  Make sure you're not violating any of them
[03:40] <etrask> Maccer: can't be, it is the password. I trimmed it for invalid characters too. It works under Windows and on other machines
[03:40] <Maccer> Are you sure it's properly pasting it?  I can try checking my laptop I guess...
[03:42] <etrask> maybe that was it, I tried copy/pasting from a different app and it worked
[03:42] <etrask> thanks Maccer!
[03:42] <etrask> yeah I use WPA2 and always make the password random gibberish, 63 characters long. I couldn't type or remember it to save my life but luckily you mostly only ever need it once :P
[03:43] <Unit193> Heh, I've had to type that before, many times.  Not fun.
[03:43] <Maccer> Yeap.  Worked from uhh... leafpad over here.
[03:43] <Unit193> n2diy: Try dpkg -l |grep flash    and tell us what the output is.
[03:44] <etrask> that's the default text editor? Wasn't working for me for whatever reason
[03:44] <etrask> cat'd to a terminal and copied THAT and THAT worked. Who knows
[03:45] <etrask> alrighty thanks guys
[03:49] <n2diy> Unit193,  that only returned  " Adobe Flash Player Installer".
[03:50] <Unit193> And a name, but I personally would purge that, enable the partner repo, and install adobe-flashplugin.
[03:51] <Maccer> Does anyone here happen to know how you would get epsxe to recognize outdated libgtk-1.2?  The problem is, I can't install it because it complains about a dependency.  If I manually extract it to /usr/lib32, epsxe still scans into /usr/lib
[03:52] <Maccer> (I'm on a 64-bit system, and I need both the 64-bit and 32-bit version of libgtk-1.2 because some one decided it was a good idea to remove it in 12.04)
[05:27] <Maccer> Does anyone happen to know how to fix this conflict?  I have an old 32-bit application that reads /usr/lib (64-bit) instead of /usr/lib32.  Is there any work around I can do to fix this?  (64-bit system with both 32-bit and 64-bit libs)
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> Maccer: do you have  ia32-libs  installed?
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> !info  ia32-libs
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> !find  ia32-libs
[05:42] <well_laid_lawn> ^^
[05:43] <well_laid_lawn> !info  ia32-libs-multiarch
[05:49] <Maccer> Yes I do well_laid_lawn
[06:16] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:18] <goliat> Hui. I'm running Win 7 & Xubuntu in dual boot. I have the issue though that every time I've used Xubuntu and start up Windows the clock is two hours behind, in Xubuntu it's fine. It's only when I have used Xubuntu and log into windows.
[09:21] <TheSheep> goliat: that's because xubuntu uses utc time, you can change it in the settings, let me find it
[09:23] <TheSheep> goliat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime#Multiple_Boot_Systems_Time_Conflicts
[09:24] <goliat> TheSheep: Nice! Thank you!
[10:10] <kondi> I'm getting "unable to open xfce4-composite-editor no such file or dir"
[10:11] <Sysi> what are you trying to do?
[10:11] <kondi> I wanted to chaneg some settings so I opened settings manager and clicked on the composite editor
[10:12] <kondi> that's when I got this message
[10:13] <Sysi> I wonder what is that.. xfce compositing settings are in xfwm4-tweaks-settings
[10:14] <kondi> it says failed to execute child process
[10:15] <kondi> it works with xfwm4-tweaks-settings
[10:28] <aquix> does anyone have a nice dark theme for xubuntu 12.04?
[10:56] <xubuntu723> how to connect to wireless network Xubuntu 8?
[10:57] <xubuntu723> please help me
[10:57] <xubuntu723> I'm italian girl
[10:58] <baizon> hi italian girl :)
[10:59] <baizon> xubuntu723: https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-connect.html
[10:59] <baizon> does this help?
[11:01] <baizon> xubuntu723: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SNUseZEn-4
[11:02] <baizon> you have xubuntu 8.04?
[11:02] <baizon> did i read correct?
[11:48] <DarkSim> Is there any way to make a panel usable while desktop is active?
[11:49] <TheSheep> DarkSim: what do you mean?
[11:49] <DarkSim> I like the idea of a panel that becomes visible when I hover over it like the standard of xubuntu uses
[11:50] <DarkSim> but I usually have maximized windows and tend to move the mouse to the top of the window only to open it by mistake
[11:51] <DarkSim> So if it could only become possible to bring forth when I have the desktop as active window, I would not accidentally bring it up all the time :P
[11:52] <TheSheep> I don't think it's possible
[11:52] <TheSheep> one thing that comes to mind is to use desklets instead of a panel
[11:53] <DarkSim> Hm, perhaps if I could increase the timer before the panel popped up
[11:53] <DarkSim> Maybe it should happen that often
[11:54] <DarkSim> n't*
[11:54] <TheSheep> DarkSim: or you could make it not span the whole width od the screen
[11:54] <TheSheep> DarkSim: leave some space in the corner
[11:55] <DarkSim> it doesn't take the whole top that's the problem
[11:55] <DarkSim> I'm used to touch the middle of a window somehow lol
[11:55] <TheSheep> you could also put it on some other side of the screen
[11:56] <DarkSim> "Get Ubuntu, they said" "It doesn't need system restarts like Windows, they said"
[11:56] <DarkSim> Lawl, rebooting anyway, ta-ta
[11:57] <nooitgedacht> Hi, my T60 started shutting down recently without me doing anything. i'm running xubuntu 12.04 – which logfile would contain information on reason for halting? Cheers!
[11:59] <DarkSim> Here's Johnny!
[11:59] <DarkSim> Time to tackle the Wacom tablet issue once and for all :D
[12:01] <TheSheep> nooitgedacht: /var/log/kern.log.1
[12:01] <TheSheep> nooitgedacht: and /var/log/dmesg.log.1
[12:02] <TheSheep> nooitgedacht: /var/log/dmesg.0 sorry
[12:02] <nooitgedacht> TheSheep: thanks a lot!
[12:04] <nooitgedacht> TheSheep: /var/log/kern.log.1 is blank, is that normal?
[12:06] <nooitgedacht> TheSheep:  /var/log/dmesg.0 is full of stuff I don't understand, do you know what it says before it goes down?
[12:06] <nooitgedacht> TheSheep: Thanks for your help
[12:06] <DarkSim> TheSheep: adrian@DarkSim-Ubuntu:~$ chmod +x $HOME/bin/toggle-touch.sh
[12:06] <DarkSim> chmod: cannot access `/home/adrian/bin/toggle-touch.sh': No such file or directory
[12:07] <DarkSim> not even if I remove /bin from the dir
[12:07] <DarkSim> since it's just straight into my folder
[12:07] <TheSheep> DarkSim: you have to first create that file with a text editor, and paste that code into it
[12:07] <DarkSim> I have done that
[12:08] <TheSheep> had you done that, it wouldn't sat "no such file"
[12:08] <TheSheep> say*
[12:08] <DarkSim> Just a quick question, IF I have already made it an executable, will it give me an error too?
[12:12] <TheSheep> no
[12:13] <DarkSim> toggle-touch.sh is the name
[12:13] <DarkSim> it's in my folder called adrian
[12:13] <DarkSim> the command is copied to the letter
[12:13] <DarkSim> apart from the device name which is specific to my tablet
[12:14] <TheSheep> DarkSim: then use the correct path to that file
[12:15] <DarkSim> Is there any easy way to get the full path?
[12:16] <DarkSim> Nevermind
[12:17] <DarkSim> I have solved the touch problem even if I don't a single idea why
[12:17] <DarkSim> The thing is that I set it up properly about 3 months ago when I first tried Ubuntu with Unity
[12:18] <DarkSim> when I switched to Xubuntu the shortcut was lost, I forgot that the first time I and a guy who helped me created a executable .sh file but it couldn't be called anything but test
[12:18] <DarkSim> I don't remember what that was all about, but I found that test.sh and used that as a shortcut instead
[12:20] <DarkSim> If you do have an explanation for that occurance, you can feel free to try and explain it but for now it's time to try my drawing skills
[12:24] <TheSheep> have fun
[12:49] <tech1> i having a problem with multiple monitors. i could fit my new monitor into the pci graphics card then an nvidia x server app would appear in my menu and it would work... but now i stuck both my new monitors in my mobo so i have dual screens.. im trying to stick a 3rd older monitor in the pci graphics card now and in settings-display i can see it, i click use this output, but it never sticks(when i go back again it is disa
[12:49] <tech1> bled).. and i can see it in arandr but if i click apply in the layout with the 3rd monitor, i get crt not found error
[12:50] <TheSheep> tech1: sounds like you need to report a bug to nvidia
[12:51] <tech1> is there a better program for monitor settings i can install? or some sort of full guide somewhere with a list of commands for doing it manually?
[12:51] <TheSheep> tech1: once you are at it, you could also tell them to open source their drivers finally
[12:51] <TheSheep> tech1: you can try xrandr
[12:51] <TheSheep> tech1: it's a command line tool
[12:51] <tech1> well i suppose it could be the monitor itself... i cant find a decent list of commands for testing though
[12:51] <tech1> ah i see
[12:51] <tech1> i have arandr. is that just as good?
[12:51] <TheSheep> see xrandr --help for help
[12:52] <tech1> oh xrandr works in my terminal too
[12:52] <tech1> thanks ill try it
[12:52] <TheSheep> afaik arandr is a gui for xrandr
[12:52] <tech1> ahh i see
[12:52] <tech1> cool :) thanks
[13:04] <soliloquy> Hi. I'd like to start dual booting Xubuntu with OS X Mountain Lion on my Macbook Air. Can someone help me?
[13:09] <DarkSim> The F is strong with this one
[13:09] <DarkSim> lol
[13:10] <DarkSim> aaaand I am in the wrong chat :S
[13:21] <Sysi> soliloquy: you should try #ubuntu or mactel help pages in ubuntu wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
[13:30] <c_smith> hi, is there a way to completely convert my Kubuntu OS into Xubuntu without reinstalling?
[13:31] <TheSheep> sure
[13:31] <c_smith> then is installing xubuntu-desktop enough?
[13:32] <c_smith> currently doing that, but wanted to know if it was possible to remove most of the KDE apps (save a select few) for space reasons.
[13:32] <c_smith> it is possible, correct?
[13:37] <TheSheep> c_smith: sure, you can remove anything you don't want
[13:37] <c_smith> cool. thanks man! :D
[13:37] <c_smith> though tbh, later I'll likely do a proper conversion to make sure I get rid of most of the junk (including configs)
[13:38] <c_smith> just don't have time atm.
[13:38] <TheSheep> c_smith: if you remove the kubuntu-dekstop and then run 'sudo apt-get autoremove', it should remove all the non-xubuntu apps
[13:38] <c_smith> alright.
[13:38] <TheSheep> c_smith: use the --purge option for apt-get to make it delete the configs too
[13:39] <c_smith> I wonder, would the support for that still constitute for Kubuntu, or would I essentially switch it to Xubuntu's support terms (which are different in LTS than Kubuntu and Ubuntu)
[13:39] <c_smith> not that I use LTSes overly much.
[13:40] <TheSheep> no idea
[13:40] <c_smith> alright.
[13:40] <TheSheep> you will still get any upgrades for the common part
[13:40] <c_smith> well, that's all the questions I wanted answered. thanks! :D
[14:07] <t0ken> g'mornin folks.  I've got the latest xubuntu installed on a box with a dual core Intel Pentium 2.8ghz cpu with 2GB of RAM.   XFCE seems a bit sluggish, even just keyboard input.  Anyone have some resources or some guidance to help me disable things or otherwise tweak performance?
[14:09] <Sysi> t0ken: what graphics card?
[14:10] <t0ken> Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV410 [Radeon X700 (PCIE)
[14:10] <t0ken> I'm using the fglrx drivers though...atleasst I think so
[14:11] <t0ken> I guess I should also mention I'm running 2 monitors
[14:13] <GridCube> t0ken, i havent had that such of problems on slower machines, so... i dont know why would that happen to you
[14:14] <GridCube> are you using your proper driver?
[14:14] <GridCube> +s
[14:14] <t0ken> initially it was using the 'ati' driver which caused all kinds of issues and crashes.  Switched to the fglrx stuff and it at leasts works now
[14:15] <t0ken> but things like switching from one virtual desktop to another takes 750ms or so
[14:15] <t0ken> I had been running Ubuntu Hardy on here with gnome and it was pretty snappy
[14:16] <t0ken> I'm guessing there's just more "stuff" now
[14:16] <t0ken> or I've gotten something incredibly fuzzed
[14:16] <GridCube> mmhm, probably, my experience has teached me to always buy nvidia or intel so :/ i hope someone else can help you there
[14:16] <t0ken> heh, I agree
[14:17] <t0ken> but this is a desktop at work
[14:17] <t0ken> Lenovo ftw!  or..something...
[14:17] <t0ken> k, so lemme ask this..  Is there an easy way to tell exactly what driver X is using currently?
[14:18] <GridCube> jockey-gtk should tell you
[14:18] <t0ken> heh "No proprietary drivers are in use on this system"
[14:21] <GridCube> does it gives you some options?
[14:21] <t0ken> nada
[14:21] <GridCube> que mal
[14:22] <t0ken> I'll go troll AMD's site, see if there's soemthing updated there
[14:23] <GridCube> t0ken, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[14:24] <t0ken> Oh...that looks promising
[14:25] <t0ken> why has my previous googling failed me for that
[14:25]  * t0ken facepalms
[14:33] <jillsmitt> hi
[14:34] <jillsmitt> indicator applets for xfce panel ignore my color sets
[14:34] <jillsmitt> why? and how to fix it?
[14:34] <TrollingForSoup> I've had that issue too.
[14:34] <TrollingForSoup> But with custom icon sets they seem to follow the theme.
[14:58] <tech1> anyone know how to change the color of the Xchat irc client panels? they are mid grey right now -same color as my desktop interface
[15:05] <GridCube> tech1, in the color options of the >configuration >preferences you have all the colors you can control
[15:05] <GridCube> the rest are taken from the gtk theme you are using
[15:06] <tech1> there is no way to override the ones where it uses the gtk theme colos?
[15:08] <Alisson_BR> You speak portugues?
[15:08] <GridCube> !br | Alisson_BR
[15:09] <GridCube> :)
[15:09] <GridCube> tech1, not that i know off
[15:09] <tech1> ok thanks anyway
[15:29] <xubuntu893> hi
[15:29] <xubuntu893> I am installing xubuntu
[15:30] <xubuntu893> I am intalling xubuntu because it is 1)lightweight 2haas the hardware support of ubuntu and 3)has the software I like
[15:30] <xubuntu893> I like xubuntu
[15:33] <baizon> thank you :)
[16:17] <visitor> hello :-)
[16:42] <eph3meral> in XFCE, I'm having some weird issues where occasionally (not all the time, but very very often) when I click on a window and let go, it's as if my mouse hasn't registered that I let go, so the window is stuck to my cursor and I'm in "window move mode" until I click again - I have been googling for a while, but I have no idea how to explain this problem to google to get the results I want - has anyone else seen or had this proble
[16:42] <eph3meral> m on Ubuntu 12.04?
[16:42] <eph3meral> sorry for xpostv
[16:43] <eph3meral> not sure if this is an XFCE issue or an Ubuntu specific issue - afaik I'm not using the "ubuntu" xfce config, I just chose "default xfce config" the first time I logged in
[16:52] <eph3meral> ok,, system update, still having the same issue(s) - totally weird, really hard to reproduce accurately also - seems almost random, but still happens a good 50% of the time I click on almost anything it seems
[17:05] <arnsa> Hello
[17:05] <arnsa> Why when I've installed XFCE wireless on my laptop keep disconnecting?
[17:10] <stephenf> hello, anyone willing to assist with issues related to my keyboard not working properly? i'm having to use a usb keyboard right now
[17:11] <stephenf> also, the aforementioned keyboard was working perfectly fine until last night
[17:15] <GridCube> !notworking | stephenf
[17:15] <GridCube> mmm
[17:15] <GridCube> !details | stephenf
[17:16] <GridCube> it was !doesntwork :P
[17:16] <arnsa> Why when I've installed XFCE wireless on my laptop keep disconnecting?
[17:17] <stephenf> I am using Xubuntu 12.04 on a Dell Studio XPS 1640 laptop. the keyboard actually on the laptop appears to have entirely stopped working. no input is doing anything.
[17:18] <GridCube> stephenf, care to pastebin the output of xinput ?
[17:19] <arnsa> why is everyone ignoring my question?
[17:19] <GridCube> arnsa, because we dont know
[17:19] <GridCube> !patience | arnsa
[17:20] <stephenf> if you're willing to tell me what to do to get that output of xinput, i'll gladly upload it to pastebin
[17:20] <GridCube> !pastebin | stephenf
[17:20] <drc> !details | arnsa  This applies to you too
[17:21] <GridCube> stephenf, just open a terminal, execute xinput copy the text to paste and send us the link :)
[17:21] <arnsa> drc I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS with the latests Xubuntu Desktop GUI. Before I was using Unity and everything was fine, but now when I installed Xubuntu, after an hour or so wireless of my laptop started disconnecting every 20secs and it reconnects.
[17:22] <GridCube> arnsa, have you rebooted since?
[17:23] <arnsa> GridCube, yes, and I've tried to reboot when the problem came up, but that didn't help.
[17:23] <stephenf> http://pastebin.com/Upy1Kwxk as i've said, i'm using a keyboard plugged in via USB right now since the one on the laptop isn't working. just in case that's relevant to this data
[17:23] <GridCube> i find that when i try to connect to a network with low signal it sometimes starts reconnecting and reconnecting, the only solution i've found is to reboot
[17:23] <GridCube> stephenf, it might be
[17:23] <arnsa> GridCube, the router is standing about 20cm from the laptop
[17:23] <arnsa> signal is best you can get
[17:24] <GridCube> arnsa, maybe delete the stored wifi details from nnm-connection-editor
[17:24] <arnsa> GridCube, how can I do it?
[17:24] <GridCube> go to the network icon on the desktop bar
[17:24] <drc> stephenf: Have you tried booting from a LiveCD/USB to see if the keyboard works then?
[17:25] <GridCube> go to >edit connections, find the one you are using, delete it and retry the connection
[17:26] <stephenf> I haven't yet, but I don't have easy access to my flash drive (being borrowed) and have no cd-r's. also, the keyboard worked perfectly fine up until last night when it kinda just "bugged out" on me (wasn't responding to input, acted as if i was holding a key down) and now it simply isnt working
[17:26] <GridCube> stephenf, well xinput knows that you have two keyboards, see the ↳ AT Translated Set 2 keyboard                    id=11   [slave  keyboard (3)] thats the laptop one
[17:27] <GridCube> mmm, stephenf did you run a kernel update?
[17:27] <GridCube> you could try to choose an old kernel at the boot stage to see if there is some problem there
[17:27] <arnsa> GridCube that didnt help
[17:27] <GridCube> :(
[17:28] <stephenf> i don't believe so? i don't believe i installed any updates last night
[17:28] <stephenf> i still have updates queued right now, actually
[17:28] <GridCube> ok
[17:29] <GridCube> stephenf, question, does the bios stage recognizes your keyboard?
[17:30] <GridCube> like pressing F11 to choose boot or stuff like that?
[17:30] <drc> Dell uses f2, iirc, to dirrectly to the bios
[17:30] <stephenf> i can test that if you'd like me to, i haven't tried yet
[17:30] <GridCube> ^ that
[17:30] <GridCube> you should if it doesnt its a hw problem
[17:31] <drc> stephenf: if it does work, we'll know it not a hw problem
[17:31] <stephenf> alright, i'll try it. i haven't installed any bios from dell since i installed xubuntu, should i?
[17:32] <stephenf> i went there to look for drivers but it guided me to a bios file
[17:32] <drc> no...just try what you have
[17:32] <stephenf> alright
[17:32] <stephenf> ill be back in just a moment
[17:34] <stephenf2> well
[17:34] <stephenf2> no recognition during BIOs
[17:35] <drc> oppss
[17:35] <stephenf2> time to open it up and check physical connections?
[17:35] <GridCube> stephenf2, :( im sorry but thats a hw problem
[17:35] <drc> stephenf: you did disconnect the USB keyboard?  (Just in case)
[17:35] <stephenf2> no i didnt
[17:36] <stephenf2> ill do that :P my bad
[17:36] <drc> try they before opening it up
[17:37] <GridCube> arnsa, sorry i cant think about a solution to your problem
[17:38] <stephenf_> still no recognition with the usb keyboard removed
[17:38] <GridCube> welp, sorry mate
[17:39] <stephenf_> no worries, i greatly appreciate all the help
[17:39] <stephenf_> time to shut down and check physical connections
[17:39] <stephenf_> again, thanks for the help, everyone
[17:39] <drc> At least you wont waste any more time trying a software solution :(
[17:39] <GridCube> maybe some dirt its blocking something :)
[17:40] <stephenf_> lol i finally pinged out
[17:40] <stephenf_> but yeah, thanks everyone. gonna hope for the best when i open it up
[17:41] <stephenf_> and if i get the worst.. well.. replacement keyboard is only $20.. haha
[17:42] <drc> And the newer Dells are easier to replace things than they used to be...I've replace my keyboard on my 1420N and it was surprisinigly easy
[17:45] <arnsa> I don't get it where's the problem with the wireless :(
[17:45] <arnsa> I just keep disconnecting every 10secs on my Ubuntu 12.04
[17:45] <arnsa> It*
[19:34] <aicasn> quick poll....   if nasa asked for volunteers to go to mars and set up camp, would you sign up?
[19:35] <aicasn> they'll cover expenses and such... just move to mars and figure out how to live there
[19:35] <Unit193> That's rather offtopic, so should be in #xubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic...
[19:36] <aicasn> true...but no on-topic stuff happening. i'll go away
[19:43] <martinphone> id try, but i doubt i would pass their physical exam
[20:44] <SwissReefer> Hi there, I need some assistance please
[20:45] <SwissReefer> Anyone there ?
[20:45] <Unit193> !hi
[20:45] <SwissReefer> Hi Unit193
[20:47] <SwissReefer> I'm actually installing Xubuntu on my laptop. I speak french and downloaded a french xubuntu installer. Everything was in french, all parameters during installation were set up french and now that the installation is complete the system is in english
[20:49] <Unit193> Where'd you get the download?
[20:49] <SwissReefer> http://ubuntu-fr.org/
[20:50] <tnorris> today I've noticed that if I hold left-alt for a few seconds I'm asked to logout. not sure what's going on. any ideas? (using 12.04)
[20:58] <pleia2> !fr
[20:58] <pleia2> SwissReefer: perhaps ask there?
[20:58] <Unit193> SwissReefer: There is a "language support" option in the settings manager.
[20:58] <Unit193> Also, there should be something on the login screen, IIRC.
[21:02] <tnorris> for some reason holding left-alt triggers XF86PowerOff. anyone have an idea why that is happening?
[21:03] <Sysi> hardware or kernel feature I'd guess
[21:03] <tnorris> strange. I don' even know where I'd look for something like that.
[21:04] <Unit193> Settings manager > Keyboard > Shortcuts
[21:05] <tnorris> Unit193: nothing's mapped there. I'm looking at it now.
[21:07] <tnorris> There must be a short in the laptop keyboard. it doesn't happen with my external keyboard.
[21:07] <tnorris> ugh
[21:07] <Sysi> check power manager settings, stuff sbout pushing buttons
[21:09] <tnorris> Sysi: heh, dirty fix of just disabling the power button worked. That will have to do until I figure out what's going on.
[21:09] <tnorris> thanks for the tip
[21:10] <Sysi> adjusting features is not dirty fix..
[21:11] <tnorris> Sysi: what I meant is that the shutdown command is still being sent when I hit left-alt, and disabling that feature because I can't fix the actual problem is what I would call a dirty fix.
[21:13] <Sysi> you could try changing keyboard model in settings
[21:40] <xubuntu144> hi guys
[21:41] <xubuntu144> just a question if someone is listening here :)
[21:41] <xubuntu144> im trying to install xubuntu on a hp t5740 thin client
[21:41] <GridCube> mmhm?
[21:41] <xubuntu144> is there a way to customize the setup to it takes something like 500MB of space instead of 4.7GB?
[21:42] <Unit193> !mini
[21:42] <GridCube> if you install from the alternate iso instead of the desktop iso it usually takes a lot less
[21:42] <xubuntu144> i downloaded the 600MB'ish iso
[21:42] <xubuntu144> but its still willing  a lot more
[21:43] <GridCube> i've installed the alternate iso on 4gb machines with about 2gb free after that
[21:43] <GridCube> but if you are concerned about space you should check lubuntu
[21:43] <xubuntu144> oh 27MB, alright :)
[21:43] <GridCube> or even smaller distros like tinycore
[21:44] <xubuntu144> will the minimal cd install give me a desktop?
[21:46] <well_laid_lawn> no just cli
[21:46] <xubuntu144> ok, testing lubuntu then
[21:51] <xubuntu144> loading...
[21:53] <xubuntu144> it is saying it needs 4.4GB of install space, is it not installing on my usb stick?
[21:58] <GridCube> xubuntu144, it needs that space to leave a working enviroment, for files and stuff
[21:58] <xubuntu144> lubuntu is too big for the space i got, i have 2GB
[21:58] <GridCube> xubuntu144, check tinycore
[21:58] <xubuntu144> it just gave an error and stopped the install process after giving a name to the machine
[21:58] <xubuntu144> checking tinycore
[21:59] <xubuntu144> does it have a desktop? the aim is to run xbmc
[21:59] <GridCube> its not ubuntu based, but it works
[21:59] <GridCube> xubuntu144, it sure does
[21:59] <GridCube> :) check it
[21:59] <xubuntu144> sorry to be dumb, which iso of tinycore shall i choose?
[21:59] <GridCube> xubuntu144, if your objective is to use xbmc why dont you just simply install geexbox?
[22:00] <xubuntu144> because i dont know it exists :) what is it?
[22:00] <GridCube> xbmc in an iso
[22:00] <GridCube> http://www.geexbox.org/
[22:01] <xubuntu144> can i deploy it on an usb stick with linux live usb creator?
[22:01] <xubuntu144> i mean make it ready to be installed...
[22:01] <GridCube> it should run from it
[22:01] <GridCube> no need to install
[22:02] <xubuntu144> ???
[22:02] <xubuntu144> i want it to run from internal mem
[22:02] <GridCube> oh, it can do that aswell :)
[22:02] <xubuntu144> doing................
[22:02] <xubuntu144> :)
[22:04] <xubuntu144> there is only "start" not "install"?
[22:05] <GridCube> xubuntu144, :) read their wikis
[22:06] <GridCube> or google, there are ways
[22:06] <GridCube> i rememeber doing it on previous versions of geexbox, before they used xbmc
[22:06] <GridCube> http://www.geexbox.org/geexbox-for-pc-booting-from-hdd/
[22:13] <tech1> i had 2 monitors (dual setup)in my mobos gpu. i moved my pc so unplugged them and replugged them in the same way but when i restrated the pc it set my pci card as default again... i set the gpu as default in the bios...restarted and still the pci was default but now the gpu option is missing from my bios.... now in arandr i can only see one the one monitor output, instead of the bunch of mobo gpu outputs i had before... i
[22:13] <tech1> s my mobo's gpu damaged from replugging somehow... or do i need to do some special xrandr config to detect them again?
[22:18] <xubuntu144> the thing is i got no OS running on that machine, so i cant write on HDD
[22:18] <xubuntu144> is there an iso that installs on HDD?
[22:22] <GridCube> xubuntu144, you could copy the files from another live session
[22:22] <GridCube> tech1, you could try configuring using arandr
[22:23] <GridCube> ah sorry
[22:23] <GridCube> dindt read completely
[22:23]  * GridCube hides
[22:27] <tech1> arandr only shows 1 output... the nvidia xserver thing has come up again though... funny because when i had the monitors in the gpu, i couldnt get the pci/nvidia stuff up at all.... now all i can get is nvidia
[22:28] <tech1> except i cant setup the second monitor on nvidia for some reason... the apply button is greyd out
[22:28] <tech1> theres a button that says "aquire edid" for the second monitor.. could this help?
[22:30] <tech1> hmmmm... and on nvidia xserver although i cant use the second display it has detected them both...it says dfp-0 on gpu0 and crt1 on gpu0.....isnt gpu meant to be for the mobo?
[22:31] <tech1> ahhh
[22:31] <tech1> ok i have the second monitor working with nvidia
[22:31] <tech1> sort off..
[22:33] <tech1> when i move a window to the second monitor... everything dissapears off the primary
[22:40] <tech1> ok im going to restard and try the bios again...
[22:47] <tech1> damn it still missing from bios
[22:52] <tech1> aha!
[22:52] <tech1> ok i have the nvidia second monitor set up properly now
[22:53] <tech1> the windows on the primary dissapeared because i moved it to the left when the secondary was set to right
[22:56] <tech1> now to reboot and hope it stays like this...
[23:07] <tech1> it works! i have won
[23:22] <xubuntu144> ok i could install puppy but after rebooting, it looks like its only a blinking cursor lol


[00:08] <skraito> hey guys
[00:09] <skraito> what do u think about my tutorial http://0x71.org/
[00:09] <skraito> in c
[00:09] <skraito> anyone wanna join our hacker team
[00:09] <skraito> is call 0x71 True Jesus Church Hacker team
[00:09] <skraito> and our church is True Jesus Church http://www.0x71.org
[00:11] <Noskcaj> skraito, I'll have a look now
[00:11] <jea> so you know, we are not a hackers group, and do not accept this type of talk in the channel
[00:12] <skraito> thank you
[00:12] <jea> so please refrain from this in the future in either #ubuntu-au or #ubuntu-au-chat
[00:12] <skraito> nah hacker is not cracker
[00:12] <skraito> we are whitehat
[00:12] <skraito> a good programmmer
[00:12] <skraito> i am using linux
[00:12] <skraito> just wondering is there any aussie fellow
[00:12] <skraito> wanna join me
[00:13] <skraito> but that c tutorial is not complete yet
[00:13] <skraito> noskcaj do u know c ?
[00:13] <Noskcaj> no
[00:13] <jea> I do not care what type of hacker you claim to be. This channel is not going to be used for promotion of such activities
[00:13] <skraito> jea u know c ?
[00:13] <Noskcaj> this isn't a place to try and recruit people
[00:13] <skraito> ah okay
[00:13] <skraito> well
[00:14] <skraito> :) i hope you guys want to join my team thought
[00:14] <skraito> anyway why do u guys choose ubuntu
[00:14] <skraito> is there any agreement with aussie
[00:14] <skraito> or u just like ubuntu
[00:14] <skraito> in my opinion fedora is better
[00:15] <jea> that is your opinion, and that is fine
[00:15] <jea> this is a channel for the Ubuntu Australian Team, which is open to any Australians who use Ubuntu
[00:16] <skraito> ah ic
[00:20] <jea> He has tried that once before. Next time, I will just remove him.


[19:27] <tgm4883_> bkerensa, blkperl can I get a copy of that form? I'd like to offer something similar here
[20:22] <blkperl> tgm4883_: well its super specific to our environment
[20:50] <tgm4883_> blkperl, any chance I can still get a copy of it? At least to show the higher ups that it's something others are offering
[20:52] <blkperl> tgm4883_: sent you a link
[20:53] <tgm4883_> blkperl, thanks


[08:57] <cjwatson> Zelut: yes?
[08:58] <CIA-12> oem-config: cjwatson * r486 oem-config/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merge from train
[09:00] <CIA-12> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2720 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog doc/README): merge from train
[10:31] <cjwatson> evand: bug 241420 is fix-released in intrepid now, isn't it?
[13:43] <CIA-12> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2721 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog control): Depend on kdesudo | kdesudo-kde4 (the latter is transitional now).
[13:46] <CIA-12> oem-config: cjwatson * r487 oem-config/ (debian/changelog debian/control oem-config-prepare): Use kdesudo for the KDE frontend where available.
[13:59] <evand> indeed, marking it as such now
[17:29] <Zelut> cjwatson: does there happen to be a definition of each "prepackaged software selection" as presented in the netboot installer?
[17:30] <cjwatson> Zelut: only in that they correspond to the package lists in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.hardy
[17:31] <cjwatson> err, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.hardy/files I suppose
[17:31] <cjwatson> there are extended descriptions there; I can't remember offhand whether tasksel displays those
[20:25] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, how is the language list available during oem-config and ubiquity populated?
[20:29] <evand> mario_limonciell: localechooser generates it from languagelist.data.gz
[20:29] <mario_limonciell> evand, where is languagelist.data.gz kept then?
[20:30] <evand> mario_limonciell: /usr/lib/ubiquity/localechooser/languagelist.data.gz
[20:31] <evand> (this is in Intrepid, Hardy will be different)
[20:31] <mario_limonciell> evand, ah okay
[20:31] <mario_limonciell> well there was a language reported missing from an extended team
[20:31] <mario_limonciell> but that was present in the locale choosing app post install
[20:32] <mario_limonciell> so i was trying to narrow down exactly where the actual issue fell
[20:33] <evand> ah, AIUI, we can only support the languages in ubiquity that d-i supports, but which language was it?  Perhaps cjwatson can elaborate on why it is not supported, assuming that is the case.
[20:33] <mario_limonciell> Thai
[20:45] <evand> mario_limonciell: works for me in both Hardy and Intrepid.  Is there a bug filed about this with debug logs?
[20:46] <mario_limonciell> evand, hum interesting.  yeah there should be a bug filed about it.  it was from extended teams though, so how useful it is, we'll see
[20:46] <mario_limonciell> let me find it
[20:47] <evand> heh, ok
[20:48] <mario_limonciell> well they field it as bug 249795, but its not very useful at all
[20:50] <mario_limonciell> *field=filed
[20:51] <mario_limonciell> well actually i just ran oem-config on my current hardy up to date box. i  don't see thai in there either
[20:51] <mario_limonciell> unless it's using characters that i don't recognize to spell out Thai
[20:52] <evand> hrm, I didn't actually try oem-config, but rather ubiquity.  It should appear right before Tagalog using a very non-latin character set.
[20:53] <mario_limonciell> evand, yeah i dont see it right before tagalog
[20:53] <evand> hrmm, checking
[20:53] <Milton> can somebody help me
[20:53] <mario_limonciell> i do see something in hardy ubiquity there that is a non latin character set
[20:54] <evand> Milton: please ask questions rather than asking if you can ask them.
[20:55] <Milton> ok I have a webcam genius 310NB it doest work what can i do
[20:57] <evand> Milton: This channel is for development of the Ubuntu installer.  Your question would be better served in #ubuntu.
[20:58] <Milton> thanks
[20:58] <evand> You're welcome and good luck
[21:08] <evand> mario_limonciell: it appears to be a genuine bug as Thai is indeed not present in oem-config but is in ubiquity.  I've assigned it to myself and will take a look at it.
[21:08] <evand> I need to update oem-config for the new localechooser anyway.
[21:10] <mario_limonciell> evand, ah okay great thanks.
[21:56] <mario_limonciell> hum, i still don't see find as an available command for busybox in the initramfs in the latest daily image.  does something need to be manually tweaked at to make sure that a new initramfs is made in the daily?
[21:57] <mario_limonciell> and not just the one from another day ends up being used
[22:00] <mario_limonciell> er oh this probably is why; the cd images haven't changed in the last few days
[22:00] <mario_limonciell> just keeps using the same livefs because rarian-compat isn't installable
[23:29] <cjwatson> evand: 249795> the mistake is that we don't set OVERRIDE_SHOW_ALL_LANGUAGES=1 when running localechooser from oem-config
[23:29] <cjwatson> mario_limonciell: yeah, I promoted rarian-compat to main earlier today, which should fix that
[23:30] <mario_limonciell> cjwatson, ah okay cool


[19:21] <Bryanstein> mhall119, ping
[20:40] <Nothing_Much> Hi everyone
[21:34] <mhall119> Bryanstein: pong
[21:35] <Bryanstein> mhall119, we've been throwing the ball around in regards to a UDS at Fossetcon
[21:36] <mhall119> UDS?
[21:36] <Bryanstein> oops Ubuncon
[21:36] <mhall119> ah, yes, that makes more sense
[21:36] <Bryanstein> s/Ubuncon/Ubucon
[21:36] <mhall119> who is "we"?
[21:37] <Bryanstein> Fossetcon board
[21:37] <Bryanstein> Which it's prospective, yet I'm thinking about the logistics of things beyond saying, ok this space is for a Ubucon.
[21:38] <Bryanstein> "Booking" speakers and having a format...that part is quasi easy.
[21:38] <mhall119> have you talked to nhaines?
[21:38] <Bryanstein> Ole Nathan...no I haven't
[21:38] <mhall119> he can probably give better advice on it that me
[21:39] <mhall119> I only went to the first one he did, way back at scale7x or something like that
[21:39] <Bryanstein> mhall119, well I've been to a few and I've seen what is what...even one nhaines was at and I actually ran one at South East Linux Fest lol
[21:40] <mhall119> ok
[21:40] <Bryanstein> It was sorta...errr I saved it. Amber G couldn't make it so I stepped in
[21:41] <Bryanstein> So none of the logistics really were handled by me...well the event was devoid of logistics prior to it falling into my lap a week before the event.
[21:42] <Bryanstein> I'll chat up nhaines and see what's the word thanks mhall119
[21:47] <mhall119> np
[21:47] <mhall119> sorry I'm not more help, I'm in Europe this week so it's 11:45pm for me


[00:06] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: indeed
[00:08] <acheronuk> gst-plugins-good1.0 is a sticking point now?
[00:09] <slangasek> evidently
[00:10] <slangasek> Laney: there appear to be some MIRs needed to make gst-plugins-good1.0 ok
[00:10] <slangasek> Laney: and/or dropped dependencies
[00:14] <acheronuk> slangasek: by the way, if you set LB_BOOTSTRAP_INCLUDE=-gnupg before invoking live-build, will it pick up that up and include in back in a base image?
[00:15] <slangasek> acheronuk: I don't know that it works via env vars passed to live-build; but in any event, why would you want gnupg as part of a bootstrap build?
[00:16] <acheronuk> taking it out from live-build may have made Kubuntu CI image build to fail
[00:17] <acheronuk> 22:17:29 P: Configuring file /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:17] <acheronuk> 22:17:29 deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/stable/ubuntu bionic main
[00:17] <acheronuk> 22:17:29 E: gnupg, gnupg2 and gnupg1 do not seem to be installed, but one of them is required for this operation
[00:18] <acheronuk> anyway, not a -release thing so I'll leave that alone now
[00:23] <slangasek> hmm
[00:24] <slangasek> why does it require those packages, as opposed to gpgv?
[00:26] <acheronuk> seems to be the point where our CI ppa is getting added. I'll need to did down tomorrow to try to see what it's doing
[00:26] <acheronuk> *dig down
[00:37] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: same tracker autopkgtest failure....
[00:37] <slangasek> nacc: gosa-dev depends on php7.0-cli?
[00:44] <acheronuk> slangasek: apt-key looks for gnupg, gnupg2 and gnupg1 in its prepare_gpg_home(), and exits with that error without setting the gpg executable if it doesnt find any of those
[00:46] <acheronuk> I *think*
[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-settings-daemon [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.5-0ubuntu1]
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[00:54] <slangasek> acheronuk: ah, I see.  then yeah, gpgv is not a substitute for those
[00:59] <slangasek> ginggs: why the lazarus sync, given the FTBFS on armhf?
[01:01] <acheronuk> slangasek: I guess live-build only trips when invoking apt-key add in lb_chroot_archives chroot install to add an external source, which ubuntu main isos never do
[01:03] <acheronuk> anyway. I'll have to look at this tomorrow. good night all
[01:03] <acheronuk> thanks for assistance with Qt/KDE
[01:03] <slangasek> ah? so live-build assumes gpg is part of present in the bootstrapped set? hmm
[01:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-media [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1]
[01:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: ukui-media [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1] (no packageset)
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[01:22] <jbicha> slangasek: please remove gnome-calendar from bionic-proposed. We need to rebuild 3.26 for e-d-s transition (3.27 adds a libdazzle dep but the MIR hasn't been approved yet)
[01:25] <slangasek> jbicha: done
[01:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted dptfxtract [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.2-0ubuntu1]
[01:27] <jbicha> thanks :)
[01:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-media [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1]
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[01:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ippsample [source] (bionic-proposed) [0.0+20180213-0ubuntu1]
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[01:49] <slangasek> LocutusOfBorg: right, tracker looks mostly good, except for the bit where it coredumps on arm64 in its tests
[02:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ippsample [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [0.0+20180213-0ubuntu1]
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[02:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ippsample [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [0.0+20180213-0ubuntu1]
[03:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-themes-extra [source] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1]
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[03:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-themes-extra [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1]
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[03:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-power-manager [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1]
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[03:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-themes-extra [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1]
[03:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted gnome-themes-extra [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu1]
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[03:38] <jbicha> I don't understand why the evolution-data-server/mutter transition is stuck
[03:38] <jbicha> mutter has these parts: mutter, gnome-shell, gnome-shell-extensions, budgie-desktop
[03:38] <jbicha> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/evolution-data-server.html
[03:41] <jbicha> maybe it all needs to be hinted together?
[03:47] <slangasek> gstreamer-vaapi is going to need some fixing for 32-bit archs; probably a straightforward fix but I'm not in a position to look right now (bandwidth-constrained)
[03:48] <slangasek> jbicha: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output_notest.txt shows mutter+eds going in together, but syncevolution-libs-gnome and gnome metapackages become uninstallable
[03:48] <slangasek> jbicha: does that match what you're looking at?
[03:49] <slangasek> jbicha: ok, looks like I should refresh again :)
[03:50] <slangasek> jbicha: so, now it's just meta-gnome for whatever reason
[03:51] <jbicha> vanilla-gnome-desktop comes from a different source package but same thing
[03:54] <slangasek> jbicha: will having new meta-gnome3 help?  gnome-themes-extra is accepted now, though in universe; I guess it'll need promoting
[03:55] <jbicha> my theory is that britney doesn't like doing too much at one time and I should have been more patient and not done two transitions at once
[03:55] <jbicha> and I think hinting it all together will help
[03:56] <jbicha> the gnome metapackages don't have such strict dependencies themselves
[03:57] <slangasek> britney certainly has handled much larger transitions than this
[03:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted ukui-power-manager [i386] (bionic-proposed) [1.1.1-0ubuntu1]
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[03:58] <jbicha> gnome-shell-extensions has depends gnome-shell >= 3.27, gnome-shell << 3.28 which should be fine here
[03:59] <jbicha> gnome-shell-extensions shows up below "Apparently successful"
[04:00] <jbicha> g-s-extensions also shows in the same "trying easy from autohinter" section. I think it's odd to show up in the 2 different parts like that
[04:00] <slangasek> ah
[04:01] <slangasek> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ptG7jVTcnj/
[04:01] <slangasek> this seems to show that gnome-core is broken only on s390x?
[04:01] <slangasek> the "a-11:[...]" shows the uninstallable count for each architecture, and only s390x has increased
[04:02] <jbicha> oh I just ignored those funny letters and numbers :)
[04:08] <jbicha> s390x shouldn't have a problem though. I intentionally added a |epiphany-browser as an alternate for meta-gnome3's browser dependency a year or so ago
[04:08] <jbicha> I'm unaware of any other relevant s390x uninstallability problem
[04:16] <jbicha> refresh the page and the top part changes to i386 (in other words, I don't think it's s390x's fault)
[06:51] <slangasek> jbicha: ok well, adding it as an explicit hint doesn't get any farther, it still shows the same output.  Someone will have to analyze why updating this particular set of packages makes gnome-core uninstallable
[07:49] <acheronuk> some KDE movement :)
[07:49] <acheronuk> slangasek: thank you
[07:55] <acheronuk> slangasek: why did britney let kmail migrate without it's dependencies?
[07:59] <acheronuk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NDYJdkfVJm/
[08:09] <acheronuk> depends libkf5akonadicore5abi1 (>= 4:17.11.60+git20171017.0359)
[08:10] <acheronuk> yet britney let it migrate to release, with 17.08.3 version
[12:09] <Laney> slangasek: yeah I know, I'm going to file them imminently
[12:10] <Laney> maybe tomorrow :-)
[12:10] <Laney> I had a draft in gedit and lost it after a suspend failure :'(
[12:10] <Laney> resume*
[13:07] <jbicha> slangasek: I figured out my mistake for the mutter transition: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/359439534/gnome-shell-extensions_3.27.91-1_3.27.91-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[16:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8 => 2.02-2ubuntu8] (core)
[16:50] <nacc> slangasek: if so that would be an oversight by debian, i'll get it fixed
[17:05] <nacc> slangasek: looks to just have been missed by debian, i'll fix and submittodebian
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2 (bionic-proposed/main) [2.02-2ubuntu8 => 2.02-2ubuntu8] (core)
[21:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [2.02-2ubuntu8]
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[22:57] <ahayzen> lool, u'll probably just need to modify... if (trackQueue.model.count [22:58] <ahayzen> lool, to make sure that it is false when there is a file sent cause tht is where the library is loaded in the queue
[23:00] <lool> ahayzen: I dont really want to touch this bug now though
[23:00] <lool> ahayzen: I need to land the URL opening support
[23:01] <lool> ahayzen: would you mind top approving the merge proposal if it works for you?
[23:01] <ahayzen> lool, ok think Daniel was working on tht area before i'll have a poke around see whts going on
[23:01] <ahayzen> lool, yep :)
[23:02] <ahayzen> lool, could u add a commit msg?
[23:07] <lool> ahayzen: done
[23:07] <ahayzen> lool, thanks
[23:07] <lool> ahayzen: thanks for reviewing
[23:07] <ahayzen> lool, i'll top approve so it lands
[23:07] <lool> cool
[23:08] <ahayzen> lool, we got there eventually :) so the other issue is when using --file ?
[23:09] <ahayzen> lool, i'll have a look at tht and see whts going on
[23:13] <lool> ahayzen: cool
[23:13] <lool> ahayzen: yeah, it's pretty similar; the queues aren't setup right IMO
[23:13] <lool> ahayzen: I think the argFile code should do something similar, but ran out of time to do it, and it was unrelated
[23:14] <ahayzen> lool, yeah
[23:15] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu mobile questions | http://askubuntu.com/q/355084
[23:23] <ahayzen> lool, think i've fixed it i'll push the branch
[23:25] <lool> ahayzen: Great
[23:29] <ahayzen> lool, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/file-args-queue-fix/+merge/189739
[23:29] <lool> ahayzen: ah that's exactly how I think it would look like, did it work in your testing?
[23:29] <popey>  /69
[23:30] <popey> bah
[23:30] <ahayzen> lool, i did $ qmlscene music-app.qml --file="file:///home/andy/Music/Coldplay/Mylo Xyloto/01. Mylo Xyloto.flac" and it worked
[23:30] <lool> ahayzen: Ok; my device is running tests right now, I'll approve it now and top approve it when I can  test
[23:31] <ahayzen> lool, ok thx :)
[23:31] <nhaines> Is it just me, or am I missing a way to type straight quotes (") on Ubuntu Touch?
[23:33] <popey> nhaines: yup
[23:34] <nhaines> I am slightly annoyed by this.
[23:34]  * wilee-nilee looks for their worlds smallest violin
[23:35] <cyphermox> nhaines: ah, thanks for asking I was wondering the same :)
[23:55] <nhaines> cyphermox: you're welcome.  Just realized this monrning.