[19:29] <ducasse> SemiNus: which ubuntu version, and which web server?
[19:29] <SemiNus> Apache2 / Ubuntu 16.04 @ ducasse
[19:29] <ducasse> SemiNus: then it's /usr/sbin/apache2
[19:29] <nedstark> appears this avahi issue goes back to at least 2010 on ubuntu
[19:30] <SemiNus> thank you ducasse
[19:30] <ducasse> SemiNus: no problem
[19:30] <nedstark> i'll just uninstall that crap
[19:38] <Guest9933> Hello! I am trying to set up a web server for a tiny website. But index files needs to read form a css, fonts and img folder in /var/www (it is also in var/www), but it seems that it can't. It works when I set the folders using "chmod 777" but this is a public website so I don't want to do that. What rights does it need? 644 did not work. https://hastebin.com/oyonizoyac.css <- the rights
[19:38] <ppf> Guest9933: www-data needs to be able to read it
[19:40] <Guest9933> but www-data can already read from there
[19:40] <Guest9933> all the other files except that website (some test php sites) works
[19:41] <ppf> you need +x to enter a directory
[19:44]  * nacc is convinced that about 50% of the time someone says 'www-data can already read from there', they are going off what they think should be the case, not actually testing as the www-data user
[19:45] <nacc> ppf: and that you are probably correct as to the root cause
[19:50] <ppf> nacc: i think the percantage is much higher
[19:53] <nacc> ppf: could be :)
[19:54] <rx-determine> hello
[19:56] <rx-determine> anyone to talk
[19:56] <Smilex> Where is the X server log?
[19:56] <ducasse> rx-determine: plenty of people here, just ask your question
[19:56] <ducasse> Smilex: /var/log
[19:56] <rx-determine> ok
[19:57] <Smilex> ducasse: /var/log/Xorg.0.log isn't the newest. At least I think
[19:58] <nacc> it might actually be in ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log now
[19:58] <craptalk> everytime i launched vmware, it gives warning "NO 3D acceleration...", what does it mean? i got AMD R7, is it not being enabled by default? or is it that i have not installed on my machine yet?
[19:58] <ducasse> Smilex: check the timestamp?
[19:58] <craptalk> i think my machine already recognized my AMD GPU, since i saw it already
[19:59] <Smilex> ducasse: oh it is correct. Thanks
[19:59] <ducasse> nacc: not on any release i'm running (16.04->17.04), but it might on debian aiui
[20:00] <nacc> ducasse: oh i recall what it is -- you can have per user greeters i was testing at some point, i think
[20:00] <nacc> ducasse: but by default, you're right, sorry
[20:00] <Delvien> .
[20:01] <ducasse> nacc: np, the details around that have me a bit confused :)
[20:01] <heywood> on 16.04.1 LTS, i can't get line in to work on my host. in the regular "sound" control panel, the "record sound from" box is empty. and in pavucontrol, the only port i can select from the dropdown menu says "microphone (unplugged)", even though i have a line plugged in (and the monitor level jumps up briefly when i plug or unplug it). what gives?
[20:06] <momken> hello
[20:07] <momken> I have an HP Elitebook 8470p laptop which I recently bought an HP Sierra un2430 mobile broadband card for it
[20:07] <momken> This card works in windows and I can connect to 3G network with it, but not in ubuntu
[20:08] <momken> I tried a lot to make it work in ubuntu but no luck!
[20:09] <rx-determine> there is a comand to know the specs
[20:09] <rx-determine> of the hardware
[20:09] <rx-determine> try in your computer
[20:09] <rx-determine> and the search for the cmd in ubuntu
[20:10] <rx-determine> thats how i did to my geforce, your netwoork might be the same
[20:10] <OerHeks> momken, and what did you try already? what is the lspci/lsusb ID ?
[20:10] <gregl> momken, Did you install the drivers for the card
[20:10] <momken> Actually this mobile broadband card is not very fast, however it is one of the few mini pcie cards compatible with my laptop. Other cards won't work due to bios rejection
[20:11] <momken> gregl: I installed the driver in windows and it worked. But there exists no driver for ubuntu/linux at all
[20:12] <momken> OerHeks: I have searched a lot about that card (un2430) in the internet. It is a Qualcomm Gobi 3000 series device.
[20:12] <gregl> momken, I just googled the card and there is drivers for it..
[20:13] <OerHeks> momken, give us the lspci ID please, names are just names
[20:13] <momken> If I reboot into windows and then reboot back into ubuntu, then it will work out of the box by creating a new "mobile-broadband" connection
[20:13] <momken> OerHeks: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 03f0:371d Hewlett-Packard
[20:14] <momken> OerHeks: Thank you for help
[20:14] <genii> OerHeks: The Gobi cards require the Windows firmware, and gobi-loader to load it.
[20:15] <momken> I don't know why I got so obsessed to make this card work. Maybe because I expected it to work before purchasing it! :(
[20:15] <momken> genii: As long as I know gobi-loader works only on Gobi 2000 devices. Anyway I have gobi-loader installed too, but no luck
[20:16] <ioria> momken, maybe this can help a bit  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gobi_Broadband_Modems
[20:16] <OerHeks> http://hp-elitebook-2540p.blogspot.nl/ gives gobi tool, and howto get the windows firmware
[20:16] <momken> My main problem is that the card is not detected as /dev/ttyUSB or /dev/ttyACM
[20:17] <momken> ioria: I have read that "ArchLinux" wiki previously
[20:17] <genii> momken: It should work on any 2000-series. But you need also to put the firmware someplace like /lib/firmware/gobi/
[20:17] <OerHeks> ioria, +1
[20:17] <momken> genii: I have did that
[20:17] <genii> The Vendor:device will change if it loads successfully
[20:18] <momken> genii: Really? R U sure? to what?
[20:18] <genii> momken: I forget, but I went through all this with my Gobi 2000 before
[20:19] <michal__> hello all
[20:19] <Kiicki> OerHeks Do you know if AMD Catalyst or fglrx is supported in Ubuntu 14.04.5?
[20:20] <ioria> momken, you can get the firmware from here https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/gobi-firmware/
[20:20] <OerHeks> fglrx is supported, iirc
[20:20] <OerHeks> check the drivers tool
[20:20] <momken> genii: I have put 3 files in /lib/firmware/gobi already: amss.mbn, ImageInfo.xml & uqcn.mbn. There was no apps.mbn in Sierra Drivers' folder in windows
[20:21] <Kiicki> Nice, will give 14.04.5 a go. was going to run 14.04.2 as I thought that was the latest that supported it.
[20:21] <momken> ioria: Those are for gobi 2000 wwan chipset. It is a gobi 3000 card
[20:22] <genii> momken: The gobi-loader package installs /lib/udev/rules.d/60-gobi.rules , you might have to add your specific vendor:device there as well
[20:23] <momken> genii: I have added this line to /lib/udev/rules.d/60-gobi.rules already: ATTRS{idVendor}=="03f0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="371d", RUN+="gobi_loader $env{DEVNAME} /lib/firmware/gobi"
[20:24] <momken> genii: gobi-loader can be run directly too, but it gives this error:
[20:25] <Skeeter> Hi all. My sound won't work. Can any of you help? For some reason, alsamixer works only as root, "aplay -l" shows no sound cards, and lspci says I have a "Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)"
[20:26] <Skeeter> (Just upgraded to Ubuntu 16.04)
[20:27] <momken> genii: gobi_loader is located in /lib/udev
[20:27] <momken> genii: But I guess it only works when the modem is available as /dev/ttyUSB*
[20:28] <Smilex> I have the proprietary nvidia driver installed. How can I change it so that it doesn't blink the nvidia logo a few times when I boot?
[20:29] <Skeeter> ?
[20:30] <genii> momken: No, the modem won't show as a ttyUSB device until after it's firmware is loaded ( which is what gobi_loader does)
[20:30] <OerHeks> Skeeter, does your bios have an sound option, intel c200 <> AC'97 ?
[20:30] <OerHeks> AC'97 works normally fine
[20:31] <Skeeter> I'm not sure what you mean or how to check it. But it did work before I upgraded to 16.04.
[20:31] <genii> momken: Did you try the -2000 option in the udev file?
[20:32] <genii> momken: Also, the firmware files, did you copy them over from your Windows installed system, or from some other place?
[20:33] <momken> genii: I have not tested -2000 yet. But currently I have rebooted from windows and my mobile-broadband is detected by network-manager and connected. But still no ttyUSB
[20:33] <michal__> hello, do someone know can i move ubuntu to other machine? i mean everything, without configuring again ?
[20:33] <michal__> i read some manuals on the web but its about old ones
[20:34] <OerHeks> michal__, same hardware? then you can.
[20:34] <momken> genii: Yead, the *.mbn files are copied from C:/Program Files (x86)/Sierra Wireless/...
[20:34] <backbox> ola
[20:34] <Skeeter> No help? mmf.
[20:34] <backbox> help
[20:35] <backbox> no
[20:35] <backbox> backbox
[20:35] <OerHeks> !backbox
[20:35] <aotaointbin> from kings quest to wireless communications. that's quite a long way.
[20:35] <momken> michal__: Of course you can. You can even detach your HardDrive and connect it to another HW and it will work like a charm :))
[20:36] <OerHeks> Skeeter, if it worked, see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[20:37] <genii> momken: You might need to make sure qcserial is installed before gobi_loader runs ( you might read the /usr/share/doc/gobi-loader/README file)
[20:37] <momken> genii: qcserial is installed and loaded as seen in lsmod
[20:38] <jiohdi> what channel is correct for discussing hardware issues... have an xp-pen and how to add it to ubuntu
[20:38] <momken> genii: Actually qcserial uses usbserial kernel module
[20:39] <momken> and usb_wwan module
[20:39] <michal__> @OerHeks sadly no... damn do i need do everything from bottom? ;f
[20:40] <virtuosoj> Hey everyone. Wondering if you could help me out with an audio problem:  I hear an audible "crackle" when a sound first stops playing, and then later the same crackle after sound hasn't played for a certain period of time.  This happens using both headphones plugged into Aux and also a USB audio interface. I'm on 16.10 now but also had a similar problem on 16.04(if anything, more frequent crackles).
[20:40] <jiohdi> what channel is correct for discussing hardware issues... have an xp-pen and how to add it to ubuntu
[20:40] <virtuosoj> If I type in terminal "killall pulseaudio" I also hear a crackle
[20:40] <scottjl> what about a snap and pop?
[20:41] <scottjl> virtuosoj: it's probably your audio chip powering up/down. generally nothing you can do about it as it's hardware.
[20:41] <OerHeks> michal__, maybe not, biggest problem is videodriver, if you loaded prop drivers from the driver tool, reverse back to nouveau. then you might ...,
[20:41] <virtuosoj> scottjl, damn... didn't have this on my other laptop. I wonder if there's a way to keep the audio chip on
[20:42] <scottjl> virtuosoj: don't let it go to sleep. if it happens XXX seconds/minutes after the last audio is played, then it's going into some sort of sleep mode.
[20:42] <genii> momken: Well, you've covered all the issues I already know about with it. I'm not sure there's much more that can be done
[20:43] <momken> genii: Let me show you some post. I guess the problem should be with open-source mobile-broadband driver in linux kernel
[20:44] <momken> genii: 1. https://sigquit.wordpress.com/2014/06/11/qmiwwan-or-gobinet/
[20:44] <momken> This post is written by one of the authors of "modem-manager"
[20:44] <momken> 2. http://www.lanedo.com/documents/Qualcomm%20Gobi%20devices%20on%20Linux.pdf
[20:45] <momken> This pdf explains how Gobi devices work and different drivers for it. I guess maybe using Qualcomm's original drivers I may succeed
[20:47] <virtuosoj> scottjl, any program or setting I can manipulate this in?
[20:47] <ioria> momken,  what kernel are you using ?
[20:48] <momken> genii: In the 1st link under section "New firmware loading" it says: "Sadly, there is not yet a way to perform this operation when using qmi_wwan and its user-space tools."
[20:48] <scottjl> virtuosoj: you'd have to look at the module/driver for your audio chip
[20:48] <craptalk> i successfully created system backup using ReaR, but it had only 156MB in size. did it just backup my configuration or what?
[20:48] <scottjl> virtuosoj: use lsmod / dmesg and see what module is loading for your audio chip
[20:49] <craptalk> i think that if i want to include the whole system backup including packages that i already downloaded on my machine, it would be a big size, right?
[20:49] <virtuosoj> snd_usbmidi_lib        32768  1 snd_usb_audio
[20:50] <momken> qmi_wwan is the driver in linux kernel which cdc-wdm driver is based upon
[20:50] <virtuosoj> scottjl, is snd_usbmidi_lib the correct one?
[20:50] <virtuosoj> this is from lsmod
[20:51] <OerHeks> people are likely to ignore poo* and crap* names( i do ), craptalk, but you have been informed before
[20:51] <scottjl>  virtuosoj probably not
[20:52] <scottjl> virtuosoj: try something like "dmesg | grep -i snd" and see if you see anything about audio
[20:53] <virtuosoj> scottjl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24184870/
[20:57] <scottjl> virtuosoj: i see lots of reports about the problem, but nothing about a solution. :-(
[20:59] <scottjl> virtuosoj: try "grep alsa /etc/pm/sleep.d/*"
[20:59] <scottjl> see if it returns anything
[20:59] <scottjl> oh. found something else
[21:00] <virtuosoj> returns nothing.
[21:00] <scottjl> try adding a file /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf and put in it "options snd_hda_intel power_save=0"
[21:01] <scottjl> need to either reboot after that or unload/reload the sound module
[21:02] <scottjl> if that doesn't work try "options snd_hda_intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=N"
[21:02] <scottjl> either of those might work
[21:03] <virtuosoj> scottjl, ty sir I will try the first now!
[21:03] <scottjl> good luck!
[21:07] <ducasse> craptalk: that is entirely third party software, ask them how it works and what it does.
[21:11] <_dreamer> Hello, I was here before asking about how to solve my login problem. The problem was indeed the ati radeon driver that completley screwed up the xorg. So I removed all radeon software and drivers and reinstalled xorg
[21:11] <_dreamer> It's working again
[21:11] <_dreamer> Thank you for helping me narrow down the possibilities
[21:13] <ZJAY> hey im on ubuntu 16.04 and a cinnamon desktop i accidentally closed the applet bar thatis closest to the left (or where the menu is ) thats where it works best for me anyone know how i get it to come back ust like before i ignorantly closed it
[21:14] <ZJAY> i only hve show desktop there now i looked in the settings not seeing it anywhere
[21:14] <elisa871> how long will it take to unzip a 70G file using unzip in Ubuntu?
[21:15] <mkelogg> hello
[21:16] <mkelogg> could use some help with finding information in my strace output
[21:16] <mkelogg> anyone about
[21:16] <ducasse> elisa871: "it depends"
[21:16] <nacc> mkelogg: just ask, i guess
[21:17] <mkelogg> well, i got a c program that uses ls and wc in a pipeline, so i strace the program and want to find where ls is executed and where wc is executed
[21:17] <momken> I got disconnected!!!
[21:17] <mkelogg> but for the life of me i cant spot it in the strace
[21:18] <repozitor> i used cpuset technique for preventing contex switch on my special process.
[21:18] <repozitor> how to be sure that there is no context on my process?
[21:18] <repozitor> actually i want to see total number of context switch for special process
[21:18] <momken> genii: I have also compiled and installed Gobi_Linux "GobiNet" kernel module, but after disabling other qmi_wwan related modules, it still doesn't work: https://portland.source.codeaurora.org/patches/quic/gobi/
[21:18] <repozitor> any command in ubuntu?
[21:19] <mkelogg> https://codeshare.io/5NKeB1
[21:20] <nacc> repozitor: cpuset doesn't prevent context switches
[21:20] <repozitor> i expect that shielded process has no context switch.
[21:21] <nacc> repozitor: why? and what do you mean 'shielded'?
[21:21] <Kiicki> Is it fine that I use the alternative to install Ubuntu alongside Windows 10 without using the partition alternative? And if so, how much space should I leave for Ubuntu to run good? I don't need much space as I'm only going to use it for Kodi and possible as a media server with external HDD connected to it. I got 16GB ram and 1GB internal HDD
[21:21] <repozitor> ok, do you know a solution for preventing context switch for special process?
[21:21] <repozitor> nacc, because i need 100% of cpu allocation for my process
[21:21] <repozitor> because my application is real-time
[21:22] <repozitor> any context switch will breakdown my application
[21:22] <nacc> repozitor: then you need to use special kernels
[21:22] <nacc> repozitor: linux is not, by default, hard-rt
[21:22] <repozitor> which kernel?
[21:22] <nacc> repozitor: i'm not sure any exist, but you can look into the rt-kernel project, iirc
[21:22] <genii> momken: Yeah, not sure I can add more to what you've already tried.
[21:22] <Delvien> Kiicki: you can run ubuntu well @ ~25g that leaves you with enough space for pictures, and random download stuff
[21:22] <nacc> mkelogg: can you paste the c code itself?
[21:22] <virtuosoj> scottjl, neither solution worked for the audio :(
[21:23] <mkelogg> sure
[21:23] <Kiicki> Delvien Thanks. I just know people keep saying leave some room for swapping or whatever and then you need for storage. I want it to run smoothly first. Not lacking for swapping or storage if it needs it
[21:23] <mkelogg> @nacc https://codeshare.io/5DAP4r
[21:23] <repozitor> nacc, did you see that?
[21:23] <repozitor> https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Cpuset_Management_Utility/tutorial
[21:24] <nacc> repozitor: ... written in 2009
[21:24] <Delvien> Kiicki: the figure i gave you includes swap
[21:24] <Kiicki> yeah, I will just adjust it so it says 25g. I think at least that's how it works with that alternative.
[21:24] <Kiicki> and it's going to partition and everything on it's own
[21:25] <momken> genii: Ok, thank you very much. I am getting very obsessed with this mobile-broadband issue. Non sure whether it worth putting so much time and effort or not?
[21:25] <repozitor> nacc, i think it tell to us cset command will prevent context swtich by shielding proccess/
[21:25] <nacc> repozitor: so you're not running anything but your one application on the 'user' cpuset? i assume there might be system processes taht can still run there
[21:25] <Delvien> Kiicki:  for instance, I run ubuntu on 30gb Msata ssd, i have 22gb 11gb used for ubuntu and some files, and 8gb for swap, the rest  is available to use
[21:25] <nacc> repozitor: uh ... the page doesn't mention context switch even once
[21:26] <ZJAY> anybody got a clue on my ?
[21:26] <repozitor> last week i ask there, and someone told cpuset will do that for me.
[21:26] <nacc> repozitor: i guess if your process is the only thing running in a cpuset, it might work, but i've never done it
[21:26] <Kiicki> I will adjust it so it says 30gb just to be safe Delvien
[21:26] <genii> momken: I have a formula to decide if getting a piece of hardware to work is worth it. Take how many hours you expect to work on it, multiply by your current wage ( or minimum wage if unemployed), then compare that number to the price of a piece of hardware that is already known to work.
[21:27] <repozitor> what is your practical solution for hard real-time process?
[21:30] <nacc> repozitor: afaik, you must have PREEMPT_RT to be hard rt, which is not in mainline
[21:30] <momken> genii: I agree with you. But I guess there is not any other mobile broadband mini-pcie working with this laptop. I can buy a 4G usb dongle, but that is not as convenient as an internal card. Because I have ot attach and detach it frequently
[21:30] <nacc> mkelogg: looking
[21:31] <mkelogg> thanks
[21:31] <nacc> mkelogg: did you pass -f to strace?
[21:31] <mkelogg> yea
[21:31] <nacc> mkelogg: i think you passed it wrong
[21:32] <xdevnull> hello
[21:32] <nacc> mkelogg: you want '-f -e trace=process,pipe'
[21:32] <nacc> mkelogg: i think right now -e is thinking '-f' is an expression?
[21:32] <momken> It is weird that few laptops have mobile-broadband built-in, but every cell-phone has it. I believe it is a very essential tool. Because in this connected world, one should always have an alternative internet connection in the case the main one got interrupted
[21:32] <nacc> mkelogg: the strace output should look different if it's following threads
[21:32] <repozitor> nacc, which package will configure PREEMPT_RT for me?
[21:32] <mkelogg> alright ill have a look
[21:32] <xdevnull> I can't connect to anywebsite by internet :/
[21:33] <xdevnull> browser
[21:33] <xdevnull> *
[21:33] <nacc> repozitor: none
[21:33] <nacc> repozitor: you have to build your own kernel, afaict
[21:33] <momken> xdevnull: Are you connected to any network? Wireless, Etherenet, etc?
[21:33] <repozitor> nacc, oh my god!
[21:33] <repozitor> is that so hard? i have no idea how to do it.
[21:34] <xdevnull> momken, Yes i'm connected here. by it. I'm able to use IRC but not any browser
[21:34] <mkelogg> @nacc im getting the same strace
[21:34] <nacc> repozitor: hard real-time is hard
[21:34] <nacc> repozitor: without meaning that as joking
[21:34] <nacc> repozitor: it's not an easy problem to solve and yes, you have to have some technical know-how
[21:34] <momken> xdevnull: very weird. I guess you have set a proxy for your browser which is not set for your IRC client
[21:35] <Morbious> hi
[21:35] <tatertots> xdevnull: does the symptom occur when booted to livecd/liveusb? yes or no   the only other valid response is "i don't know because i have not tried"
[21:35] <nacc> mkelogg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24185025/
[21:35] <Wicaeed> I've got a bash script that kicks off a bunch of processes based on a folder containing some config files. I can start and stop the script with upstart, but is there any way upstart can tell to expect a certain number of child processes and restart any that are missing?
[21:35] <nacc> mkelogg: see how there is a leading column with pids?
[21:36] <xdevnull> tatertots, "I don't know because i have not tried". It was working few minutes ago... I didn't install anything either
[21:36] <mkelogg> ah yeah nacc looks like i had the flag on the wrong side aha
[21:36] <nacc> mkelogg: as i just said :)
[21:36] <mkelogg> this should of cleared it up
[21:36] <repozitor> nacc, i need an start point, shoot!
[21:36] <nacc> repozitor: and hard-rt, afaict, is not ubuntu anyways'
[21:36] <xdevnull> even if i use "ping google.com" i get unknown host.
[21:37] <Morbious> does anyone know how to make ifupdown work with bond interface. I saw that there is a gub (1573272) but I couldn't find any solution
[21:37] <repozitor> do you sure that ubuntu won't run any proccess in hard-realtime strategy?
[21:37] <tatertots> xdevnull: try to ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:38] <tatertots> xdevnull: report the results
[21:38] <nacc> repozitor: hard-realtime means something very specific, and I don't believe the upstream Linux kernel provides those guarantees
[21:39] <repozitor> nacc, thanks buddy, i have got so sad right now!
[21:40] <xdevnull> tatertots, PING <IP_ADDRESS> (<IP_ADDRESS>) 56(84) bytes of data. The cursor still blinking
[21:40] <nacc> repozitor: it shouldn't be surprising
[21:42] <tatertots> xdevnull: are you using a home network or are you at some restaurant/hotel/business and using their internet?
[21:42] <xdevnull> tatertots, NO sir. AT home
[21:43] <tatertots> xdevnull: so you probably have cable based internet or a DSL based internet from a telecom company then correct?
[21:43] <mkelogg> so nacc ill be looking at the execve for when ls and wc are executed correct?
[21:43] <tatertots> xdevnull: are you hardwired or using wireless?
[21:43] <xdevnull> tatertots, Sir. I'm connected i'm talking to you from the same PC where i can't open any website. Don't ask me how i'm connected. Hard-wired. I'm afraid to reconnect here to try..
[21:44] <tatertots> xdevnull: are there other computers also hardwired?
[21:45] <xdevnull> Only 1.
[21:45] <nacc> mkelogg: not sure what you're asking? you should see execve() for a bunch of commands, most of which will not be found (because it's searching PATH)
[21:46] <mkelogg> @nacc, just trying to see where ls and wc are shown being called in the strace
[21:46] <nacc> mkelogg: well, you haven't provided an updated strace for me to tell you yet, but you can see it clearly in the one i pastebin'd
[21:47] <mkelogg> https://paste.ubuntu.com/24185081/
[21:48] <tatertots> xdevnull: cable or dsl?
[21:48] <xdevnull> DSL
[21:48] <nacc> mkelogg: line 64
[21:48] <nacc> mkelogg: you're still invoking strace oddly, though
[21:49] <nacc> mkelogg: how does strace know that `strace -f  ./question1 -e trace=process,pipe` means pass ' -e trace=process,pipe' to strace and not to ./question1? Hint: it doesn't.
[21:51] <mkelogg> rightt so what i should be seeing is this then https://paste.ubuntu.com/24185092/ its way smaller
[21:52] <nacc> mkelogg: correct.
[21:52] <tatertots> xdevnull: reboot modem...or call you ISP tech support and the first thing they will most likely ask you to do is reboot the modem or they will reset/reboot it from their offices on their side
[21:53] <xdevnull> tatertots, but can you explain how i'm talking to you right now?
[21:53] <mkelogg> the simplest things lmao cheers for that nacc
[21:53] <xdevnull> tatertots, i'm using the same pc where i can't connect to anything. "I was connected to irc and still" I used to open websites. but now nothing opening expect irc.
[21:55] <xdevnull> tatertots. Oh. i did unset HTTP_PROXY now working
[21:56] <xdevnull> i checked that in the Network setting. it was off and still off.
[21:57] <Morbious> does anyone know how to make ifupdown work with bond interface to set default gateway ? I saw that there is a gub (1573272) but I couldn't find any solution. After reboot ubuntu 16.04 doesn't set default gw and rest of startup scripts doesn't work (like stunnel, nscd, ldap client)
[22:03] <tapanik> hello from finland
[22:03] <tapanik> my windows 8.1 recvery dvd.s crash my OS
[22:04] <tapanik> error bootloop
[22:04] <stoner19> so its time to replace my wife's macbook pro. Ideally I don't want to spend the kind of money Apple wants for their products, and really don't want to get any of the mass-production ones from the big-box stores. Anyone have suggestions on a reasonable laptop that I can run Ubuntu on what will play 4k or h.265 videos without any issues?
[22:04] <tapanik> now i have ubuntu 16.04
[22:04] <tapanik> i like it
[22:04] <tapanik> by bye windows
[22:04] <xdevnull> tatertots, Thanks alot sir.
[22:04] <tapanik> windos7 was good
[22:04] <tapanik> linux tovalds
[22:04] <tapanik> finish "hero"
[22:05] <tapanik> gnu stud
[22:05] <tapanik> typo
[22:05] <tapanik> :D
[22:05] <tapanik> ubuntu 16 not my first
[22:05] <tapanik> linux
[22:05] <pauljw> !ot
[22:06] <nacc> tapanik: --^
[22:07] <tapanik> i need register my nick
[22:07] <nacc> !register | tapanik
[22:11] <kangaroo72> hi there ... I have the problem, that a device (shown via lsusb) isn't shown in KVM-Guest (Win 10) - Can someone help me please?
[22:12] <nacc> kangaroo72: areyou passing it through to the KVM guest?
[22:15] <kangaroo72> yep
[22:16] <kangaroo72> Well in virt-manager I say USB-2.0, and the device is selected as host device
[22:16] <kangaroo72> should I upload xml?
[22:17] <Sweetshark> so, I tried to run "adt-buildvm-cloud-ubuntu", but it timed out after some "found kernel" message. In dmesg, I find lots of ...apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="libvirt-2...."... messages. So apparmor blocks creating the image somehow?
[22:18] <nacc> kangaroo72: is it down in windows device manager at all?
[22:18] <nacc> kangaroo72: i don't know how to debug windows
[22:18] <nacc> Sweetshark: can you pastebin the exact command you ran and output?
[22:19] <kangaroo72> first here the xml ...
[22:20] <kangaroo72> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24185208/
[22:21] <Sweetshark> nacc: command was staightforward plain "adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud -v". Output is already lost it was in tmux, which has no backlog buffer.
[22:21] <kangaroo72> it's not shown in devicemanager
[22:23] <xtoxico> hi
[22:23] <xtoxico> I'm new
[22:23] <kangaroo72> @xtoxico - doesn't matter ... Welcome!!
[22:24] <xtoxico> what's the purpose of this channel?
[22:24] <kangaroo72> We try to support together
[22:24] <xtoxico> Thanks @kangaroo72
[22:24] <xtoxico> that's cool
[22:24] <nacc> kangaroo72: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Managing#Adding_USB_Device_Pass-through
[22:24] <nacc> kangaroo72: i don't know if it's fixed, but maybe apparmor denials?
[22:25] <kangaroo72> stopped already
[22:25] <nacc> kangaroo72: do you get any messages the host dmesg?
[22:26] <kangaroo72> hmm ... there's something denied ...
[22:26] <nacc> kangaroo72: stopping apparmor does not unload it
[22:26] <kangaroo72> aaah - ok
[22:26] <nacc> kangaroo72: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2322683 c#8
[22:27] <xtoxico> I had a Proxmox Server, with this is very easy configure a USB passthrought with KVM
[22:27] <kangaroo72> for what apparmor is needed?
[22:31] <kangaroo72> @nacc, but I HAVE to add the USB-Host-Device in virt-manager, to pass it through?
[22:32] <kangaroo72> (add USB-Host-Device ...)
[22:32] <kangaroo72> Controlling USB? USB2.0 / 3.0 or Hypervisor?
[22:35] <nacc> kangaroo72: apparmor is a security module (framework)
[22:35] <nacc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
[22:36] <nacc> kangaroo72: yes, you would of course need to tell the host to pass the USB device to the guest ... how else would it work?
[22:36] <kangaroo72> ok - just to be sure ...
[22:38] <kangaroo72> well - just deleted dmesg ... and now I'm restarting the guest ...
[22:40] <kangaroo72> okay - something's gonna be blocked ...
[22:40] <kangaroo72> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24185282/
[22:44] <Eric> hi
[22:45] <salamanderrake> How the hell is this a thing? https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/9db8ed181f29aed0e998da4364648419
[22:46] <k1l_> salamanderrake: remove those files too
[22:46] <salamanderrake> I tried to install clang 5.0 via the instructions here, http://apt.llvm.org/, but it got hooked up on a dep for lldb and now I can't solve the issue
[22:46] <k1l_> *packages. not files
[22:46] <salamanderrake> I am trying
[22:46] <k1l_> salamanderrake: add those 3 packages to the purge command
[22:47] <k1l_> salamanderrake: and if you added a PPA you want to run "ppa-purge" first
[22:47] <salamanderrake> ok I got it, thanks
[22:47] <k1l_> !ppa-purge
[22:47] <Eric> how i get have 5 imvu clients running on one laptop?
[22:48] <k1l_> !wine | Eric
[22:51] <Eric> kl i see wine configuaration on my screen
[22:51] <kangaroo72> @nacc this should disable? sudo apt-get remove apparmor-profiles
[22:52] <Eric> i typed winecfg on terminal then it opened to wine
[22:52] <k1l_> Eric: read the full message of the bot. ask the wine specialists for running windows programs on wine.
[22:52] <kangaroo72> 'cause after this it's still "denied" in dmesg
[22:52] <bazhang> Eric, #winehq for that
[22:52] <foli> This it to announce that we will be beginning maintenance on Canonical data centre firewalls in 8 minutes.
[22:52] <k1l_> Eric: and look into the app database for the known workarounds for that app
[22:52] <kangaroo72> restarting libvirt-bin?
[22:53] <Eric> app database where
[22:53] <Eric> ?
[22:53] <bazhang> http://appdb.winehq.org
[22:54] <bazhang> check there Eric , /join #winehq
[22:55] <Eric> i cant fin join winehq in winehq
[22:56] <Eric> find
[22:56] <bazhang> Eric, it's a channel to join
[22:56] <bazhang> #winehq
[22:57] <Eric> bazhanq this  Support Get help using Wine. ?
[22:57] <bazhang> Eric, yes
[22:58] <bazhang> Eric, the #winehq channel is where to go for that
[22:58] <k1l_> Eric: wine is a very complex layer, not only a program. please ask the specialists in the named channel or see their website
[22:59] <Eric> i joined #winehq in irc channel
[23:00] <bazhang> Eric, you are not in there
[23:00] <nacc> kangaroo72: sorry, was looking at something else
[23:00] <nacc> kangaroo72: um, i don't think you want to remove apparmor generally
[23:01] <foli> This it to notify the we are beginning maintenance on Canonical data centre firewalls now, lasting up to 1 hour.
[23:01] <kangaroo72> no prob, nacc
[23:01] <kangaroo72> would be nice to disable for kvm
[23:02] <bonsairoot> kangaroo72, you can just stop and start it again later... for testing
[23:02] <bonsairoot> don't have to remove
[23:02] <kangaroo72> stopping does not unload
[23:03] <kangaroo72> [770363.981503] audit: type=1400 audit(1489618590.018:496): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="libvirt-33d5fa77-32fe-4661-a3e2-9ce7e7b51d51" name="/run/udev/                           data/c189:256" pid=10554 comm="qemu-system-x86" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=115 ouid=0
[23:03] <Eric> launch application this link needs to be opened with an application?
[23:03] <kangaroo72> I think I have to disable this profile ... but how? ...
[23:04] <bazhang> Eric, you first need to join the #winehq channel and ask there
[23:04] <nacc> kangaroo72: that forums post i showed you showed how to dump the state
[23:05] <kangaroo72> yeah
[23:05] <kangaroo72> got a list with profiles activated
[23:05] <bonsairoot> kangaroo72, I have no idea about apparmor tbh. Found : http://wiki.apparmor.net/index.php/AppArmor_Failures   ... there is an instruction how to disable a profile... maybe it helps
[23:05] <kangaroo72> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24185371/
[23:06] <salamanderrake> k1l_: now I got this, trying to reinstall the *-4.0 version of the clang tool set, https://gist.github.com/salamanderrake/e5acf1dd2fd9353228b3cd3ad44bea65
[23:06] <nacc> kangaroo72: you can tell apparmor to not start on next boot and reboot
[23:06] <nacc> kangaroo72: as said in c#8 ?
[23:06] <k1l_> salamanderrake: so you still use that crappy PPA?
[23:06] <ksbalaji> Hi! While running synaptic in 16.04, I get error message something like target packages configured multiple times in ...(many such message).  What are these? How do I tackle this?
[23:07] <kangaroo72> trying this
[23:07] <kangaroo72> apparmor_parser -R <profile_name>
[23:07] <kangaroo72> hold on
[23:07] <k1l_> ksbalaji: open a terminal and run "sudo apt update" and show the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[23:07] <Eric> bazhanq do i register for winehq?
[23:08] <k1l_> salamanderrake: if you use other sources, that mess up all the packagesystem we suggest to not use them. if you still want to use them, then aks the devs of that repos to support that
[23:08] <bazhang> Eric, have you tried to join
[23:08] <kangaroo72> not found
[23:08] <kangaroo72> DAMN
[23:09] <nacc> !ohmy | kangaroo72
[23:09] <kangaroo72> I'm sorry :)
[23:09] <Eric> yup im trying
[23:10] <bazhang> Eric, and what message are you getting
[23:15] <ksbalaji> narinder, alastair, done http://paste.ubuntu.com/24185526/
[23:15] <momken> Hello. I have compiled and installed a kernel module using dkms but after loading it upon a reboot I get this error:
[23:15] <momken> GobiSerial: module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing - tainting kernel
[23:15] <kangaroo72> Profiles are unloaded, but 2 Profiles are in enforced mode :(
[23:16] <momken> Is that error important? And how could I fix it?
[23:17] <k1l_> ksbalaji: please run "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the output url here
[23:17] <nacc> momken: if you were using secure boot, i think it wouldn't work -- but i'm guessing you're not. kernel modules from ubuntu are signed so that you can trust them
[23:18] <momken> nacc: I know they are signed, but I want to load myself
[23:18] <momken> I doubt I am using secure boot
[23:18] <cruelplatypus67> hey
[23:19] <nacc> momken: "I know they are signed, but I want to load myself" -- what are "they" and what are you trying to load yourself? My understanding was you built a module using dkms; i'm not sure dkms modules can be signed
[23:20] <momken> nacc: All I want to do is loading my compiled kernel module upon boot
[23:20] <cruelplatypus67> http://gtkthemingguide.ml/
[23:20] <cruelplatypus67> http://gtkthemingguide.ml/
[23:20] <Eric> there no message
[23:20] <bazhang> Eric, then /join #winehq
[23:20] <ksbalaji> dodge29: I got this: grep: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*: No such file or directory
[23:20] <ksbalaji> http://termbin.com/muyi
[23:20] <momken> nacc: As I said I am trying to load "GobiSerial" module which I recently compiled. I got its code from https://github.com/casastorta/gobiserial
[23:21] <nacc> momken: it didn't say it didn't load it
[23:21] <kangaroo72> @nacc I have disabled evertyhing, but I cannot disable the 2 enforced profiles
[23:21] <kangaroo72> can U help there?
[23:21] <nacc> momken: it said it tainted the kerenl
[23:21] <nacc> kangaroo72: is your guest running right now?
[23:21] <kangaroo72> no - shut down
[23:21] <momken> nacc: Really? So it is loaded now?
[23:21] <nacc> momken: look in lsmod
[23:21] <momken> How could I know?
[23:21] <k1l_> ksbalaji: did you manually change the sources.list?
[23:22] <momken> Yeah, it is loaded
[23:22] <OerHeks> Eric, just type> /join #winehq
[23:22] <momken> nacc: But it still can't create /dev/ttyUSB*! I compiled/loaded every driver possible for my Gobi3000 card
[23:23] <ksbalaji> narinder: I dont know. I do not remember haveing changed anything.
[23:23] <nacc> momken: i don't know
[23:23] <ksbalaji> I think, I chose server suggested by the system.
[23:24] <momken> According to http://www.option.com/download/243_Gobi3000LinuxPackageGuidedoc.pdf section 3.2 the GobiSerial driver should create /dev/ttyUSB# devices
[23:24] <k1l_> ksbalaji: well, you have messed with the sources.list. you need to remove all the lines  from the half file, after the line "deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial partner"
[23:27] <kangaroo72> testing after reboot - then going to bed for now ...
[23:27] <Eric> am i in wineh ric right?
[23:27] <k1l_> Eric: this here is still #ubunt
[23:27] <Eric> oops im in winehq irc
[23:27] <kangaroo72> is virtualbox for this case better than kvm?
[23:27] <nacc> momken: you will need to ask them :/
[23:28] <Eric> bazhanq u see me in winehq?
[23:29] <bazhang> Eric, no
[23:29] <ksbalaji> kil_ How do I remove the lines please? can you guide? I fear messing up more otherwise, Where do I find the file?
[23:29] <bazhang> Eric, is english your native language
[23:30] <k1l_> ksbalaji: "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" then remove the bottom half from the line i told you. then press ctrl+o to save the file and ctrl+x to exit. then rerun "sudo apt update"
[23:30] <Eric> bazhanq look in winehq "i said hi Bazhanq"
[23:30] <bonsairoot> ksbalaji, If you're afraid of modifying just create a backup first: cp file file_backup
[23:31] <ksbalaji> kil_ thanks. I shall do.
[23:31] <bazhang> Eric, so ask your issue there, and wait
[23:31] <ksbalaji> bonsairoot: Thanks
[23:36] <kangaroo72> *******GOT IT ******
[23:36] <kangaroo72> :-D
[23:36] <kangaroo72> :-D
[23:36] <kangaroo72> Thanks nacc
[23:36] <kangaroo72> now I can have a good night ^^
[23:51] <momken> nacc: Is https://github.com/casastorta/gobiserial/issues the best place to ask about my issue? Because as long as I know the Gobi 3000 firmware should be uploaded to the device from a /dev/ttyUSB* device which should become enabled using GobiSerial driver
[23:54] <adymitruk> does anyone here have the dell xps with ubuntu on it?
[23:54] <tatertots> and if they did?
[23:54] <tatertots> just ask your real question, or state the "actual" problem
[23:54] <Delvien> adymitruk: no but im fairly familiar with dell laptops, why?
[23:54] <adymitruk> I can't find the sources for some of the drivers, like bluetooth
[23:55] <adymitruk> a coworker's machine was repaved and none of the Dell sources were saved
[23:55] <tatertots> adymitruk: in terminal>     sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[23:55] <adymitruk> so bluetooth doesn't work
[23:55] <tatertots> adymitruk: do the above from the actual computer in question with ubuntu on it
[23:55] <Delvien> adymitruk: the xps line has been around for a long long time, with many different xps models. Youll have to be more specific
[23:55] <tatertots> adymitruk: when it's done...say so
[23:56] <adymitruk> it's the latest xps 13
[23:56] <adymitruk> i7 7500
[23:56] <Delvien> xps 13 is about 7~ different models
[23:56] <tatertots> adymitruk: oh so...you're not even chatting from the actual computer in question right now are you
[23:56] <Delvien> probably more
[23:56] <tatertots> adymitruk: then nevermind...good luck
[23:56] <adymitruk> it's the top one. touchscreen 512gb SD 16gb ram
[23:57] <Delvien> 9350?
[23:57] <Delvien> touchscreen has been on multiple models of xps 13
[23:57] <adymitruk> no, as I said I'm doing this for a coworker
[23:57] <k1l_> adymitruk: look at project sputnik
[23:57] <_dreamer> I'm running ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS, second screen is not working
[23:58] <adymitruk> k1l_: just google or are you referring to a specific page I should be aware of?
[23:58] <OerHeks> adymitruk, maybe the arch wiki is a help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13_(9343)#Bluetooth
[23:58] <k1l_> adymitruk: that is the project inside dell, that works on the linux(ubuntu) support for the xps machines
[23:59] <bonsairoot> OerHeks, I don't think the new xps 13 laptops come with broadcom chips do they?
[23:59] <_dreamer> I am using the proprietary driver
[23:59] <OerHeks> bonsairoot, dunno, easy to check out if you have that machine


[01:44] <dhillon-v10> hi all, can anyone really quick tell me how to run a test
[01:45] <maxb> dhillon-v10: ?
[01:45] <dhillon-v10> maxb: hi :) alright so I made a change in the code for a bug, now I want to see if it works or not, I have to edit the test for that feature right?
[01:46] <dhillon-v10> maxb: the story file actually
[01:48] <dhillon-v10> maxb: I am talking about this file: lib/lp/soyuz/stories/ppa/xx-ppa-workflow.txt
[01:50] <maxb> right.... so I'm still not sure what your question is
[01:52] <dhillon-v10> maxb: sorry for being ambigious, so here's what I am trying to do, I made a change in a feature, now I want to see how that change looks in my local launchpad, before I commit to my branch, so how do I do that?
[01:53] <maxb> You're still being ambiguous :-)
[01:53] <maxb> You started off talking about tests, now you're asking how to run a local launchpad?
[01:53] <dhillon-v10> maxb: no, how to run a test in my local launchpad instance
[01:54] <maxb> tests don't run "in a launchpad instance"
[01:54] <dhillon-v10> maxb: i found this page: https://dev.launchpad.net/Testing
[01:54] <maxb> I'm guessing that 'bin/test -vvt xx-ppa-workflow.txt' might be what you're after
[01:55] <dhillon-v10> maxb: YES :)
[01:55] <dhillon-v10> maxb: so make changes in that file and then run it using the command you gave ?
[01:57] <dhillon-v10> maxb: i think i get it, thanks :)
[02:07] <dhillon-v10> maxb: can you tell me if this is valid: http://paste.ubuntu.com/375856/
[02:10] <maxb> valid?
[02:11] <maxb> The logic looks wrong to me
[02:11] <dhillon-v10> maxb: what's wrong with it? sorry I am new to launchpad coding, that's why i am making a lot of errors
[02:12] <wgrant> The logic is fine (assuming fixed indentation). The name is not.
[02:13] <dhillon-v10> wgrant, maxb: this is what I am working on: https://code.launchpad.net/~dhillon-v10/launchpad/fix-bug-410331/+merge/18817 and wgrant please explain what's wrong with the name
[02:16] <wgrant> dhillon-v10: The name for additional PPAs is missing and space, and self.context.owner.name is not what you want there.
[02:17] <wgrant> s/and/a/
[02:19] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: alright so what should be there instead of self.context.owner.name, maybe somthing like "PPA named X"
[02:20] <wgrant> The name of the PPA, which probably does not at that point exist.
[02:22] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: yeah, because the ppa doesn't even exist (this only works when the first ppa is activated) how do I get the name of that ppa, i think a name should be hardcoded like X
[02:23] <wgrant> You should maybe talk to a UI person, but such a person no longer exists.
[02:24] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: thanks for your help :) I'll present both options and see what Julian (my reviewer atm) says fits the best in that case
[02:29] <maxb> The perfect option would be for the displayname to suggest itself with javascript as someone types the name. But that would be hard
[02:30] <dhillon-v10> maxb: agreed, that's quite a bit of coding
[02:31] <wgrant> There is already code to do something similar.
[02:31] <wgrant> In the guided project registration form
[02:31] <dhillon-v10> wgrant: so should I work on porting that here ?
[02:32] <wgrant> You should talk the to relevant developers with domain knowledge.
[02:32] <wgrant> ie. somebody from Soyuz.
[14:27]  * maxb comes across database/dia/ :-)
[14:27] <maxb> I feel like an archaeologist :-)
[19:50] <thumper> morning
[20:12] <mwhudson> thumper: morning
[20:13] <thumper> mwhudson: morning
[20:13] <thumper> mwhudson: when do you want to do a call?
[20:13] <mwhudson> thumper: now-ish works for me
[20:13] <thumper> mwhudson: let me top up my coffee first
[20:17] <magcius> Is a hosted wiki feature in the works for 4.0?
[20:18] <thumper> magcius: we don't know yet
[20:18] <thumper> magcius: although some people are investigating a bzr backed wiki in off hours
[20:22] <magcius> thumper, alright
[20:36] <maxb> If there's a code team person around, what does "Next mirror: Disabled" mean in this context: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jelmer/bzr-rewrite/trunk-mirrorred ?
[20:37] <poolie> maxb i suspect it means that someone manually turned it off
[20:37] <poolie> i don't know why
[20:38] <maxb> ok
[20:38] <poolie> mwhudson: ^^?
[20:38] <mwhudson> poolie: seems like a reasonable guess
[20:55] <thumper> maxb: if the mirroring fails 5 times in a row, we disable it
[21:17] <mwhudson> $ gnome-open /home/mwh/Desktop/MockupsForDesktop.air
[21:17] <mwhudson> $ Error loading the runtime (libadobecertstore.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)
[21:25] <maxb> thumper: ok. can I find out the failure cause somehow?
[21:25] <thumper> maxb: not sure... should be able to
[21:25] <thumper> maxb: I would have thought it would show on the page already
[21:26] <maxb> Since it doesn't, is it "ask a LOSA" time?
[22:27] <wgrant> mwhudson: Copy /usr/lib/adobecertstore.so to /usr/lib32.
[22:27] <mwhudson> wgrant: i found the appropriate page in the end
[22:27] <mwhudson> thanks though
[23:14]  * thumper off for Maia collection, coffee and lunch
[23:32] <wgrant> thumper: Ah, good, more LP devs using Chromium. LP might get unbroken in it!


[03:08] <MTecknology> I'm definitely no longer against tabled layouts
[03:08] <MTecknology> They make the web look right.. (when used right)
[03:08] <MTecknology> So far that's the only non-broken design I've come across
[10:54] <newz2000> MTecknology: with just a little practice you can do the exact same thing without using tables and because it's css based the content is more versatile
[11:23] <Daviey> Mez, Did you look at mhall119's branch? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/fixes-638154/+merge/35427
[13:05] <mhall119> Daviey: can we at least have dates and a description for natty on summit.u.c?
[13:06] <Daviey> mhall119, Planning a rollout ASAP... Do you mean in code, or in database description?
[13:06] <mhall119> in the database
[14:01] <MTecknology> newz2000: maybe, but I've noticed issues all over, facbook has that issue too
[14:05] <MTecknology> I honestly have no clue how to deal with it - and apparently many other big names don't either.
[14:06] <MTecknology> If I could find a similar theme that worked- I could try to steal it.
[17:19] <Mez> Daviey: yes, I'd written a comment on there ?


[16:24] <tertitten> Hi, could anyone be as kind as telling me what folder we can customize the new installer from?
[22:04] <Unit193> tertitten: So I presume you figured out the config question from yesterday?
[23:27] <tertitten> Unit193: well, yes I finally figured it out, so I guess i got to dig into that :) not everything that is to clear tbh. The slides is no problem, but the entire branding around it seems a bit unclear
[23:48] <tertitten> I got another wory now, seems the tool I've been using for constructing my live images is'nt all that friendly with noble..


[05:57] <sakhi> Morning
[06:11] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[07:26] <inetpro> good morning
[07:36] <sakhi> hi inetpro
[07:36] <sakhi> hi nuvolari
[07:36] <inetpro> sakhi: hiho
[17:37] <zeref> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/41847-the-truth-about-adsl-costs-in-sa.html
[18:05] <Kilos> evening superfly nlsthzn nuvolari and all you other peeps
[18:06] <Kilos> anyone got news about drubin , is he still maintaining
[18:06] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[18:06] <drubin> Kilos: news?
[18:06] <superfly> I spoke to drubin the other day, he's fine... oh, here he is
[18:06] <drubin> am i maintaining what?
[18:06] <Kilos> lol hi drubin is all well?
[18:07] <drubin> you LUCKY i lterally just got home..
[18:07] <Kilos> maintaining=surviving under the stress of breathing
[18:08] <Kilos> my xchat shows you greyed out but you here
[18:08] <drubin> should be back.
[18:09] <drubin> but I need to go sort out some dinner now.
[18:09] <drubin> Kilos: but thanks for caring :D means alot
[18:09] <Kilos> just wanted to know if you ok drubin  go enjoy
[18:10] <Kilos> come visit some evening and let us know how things are going
[18:11] <Kilos> just had a good laugh at the sabc weatherman, roeckons no rain tonight here while its hosing down outside
[18:12] <Kilos> *reckons
[18:12] <Mezenir> lol
[18:13] <Mezenir> hiya
[18:13] <Kilos> hiya Mezenir
[18:14] <Kilos> Mezenir, is asd initials?
[18:14] <Mezenir> asd ?
[18:14] <Kilos> what chat client are you using
[18:14] <Mezenir> mirc
[18:14] <Mezenir> coz im in windows
[18:14] <Mezenir> the horror
[18:15] <Mezenir> but i play a lot of games on steam
[18:15] <Kilos> he he
[18:15] <Mezenir> so ja
[18:15] <Mezenir> waiting for that steam to linux port ;)
[18:15] <Kilos> doesnt it show nicks of peeps on the channel
[18:15] <Mezenir> it does
[18:15] <Mezenir> why ?
[18:15] <Kilos> right click on a nick and should show name etc
[18:16] <Mezenir> oh
[18:16] <Kilos> real name , user country etc
[18:16] <Mezenir> might be this version i got from a friend
[18:16] <Mezenir> probably configured somehow
[18:16] <Kilos> your real name shows as asd
[18:16] <Mezenir> wouldnt be surpised if it says im from an alternate universe
[18:16] <Kilos> what you using xp or win7
[18:17] <Mezenir> win7
[18:17] <Mezenir> for the > 3.25 gig ram
[18:18] <Kilos> it wouldnt even install on my pc
[18:18] <Kilos> unity at least just complains about my graphics card only
[18:18] <Mezenir> haha
[18:18] <Mezenir> how do you like unity
[18:19] <Kilos> i cant use it so i staying with maverick as long as i can
[18:20] <Mezenir> hmmm
[18:20] <Mezenir> kubuntu ?
[18:20] <Kilos> i really like maverick and will cry when support goes away
[18:21] <Mezenir> maverick
[18:21] <Mezenir> is that the last LTS version ?
[18:21] <Mezenir> im a bit fuzzy
[18:21] <Kilos> i got kubuntu from superfly and my son inherited it
[18:21] <Kilos> no not lts
[18:21] <Mezenir> how about linux mint ?
[18:21] <Mezenir> im a fan of the arch linux principles
[18:22] <Mezenir> just havent found the time
[18:22] <Mezenir> im currently busy with linux from scratch
[18:22] <Kilos> will see when maverick crashes
[18:22] <superfly> Mezenir: Desura
[18:22] <Mezenir> pretty fun
[18:22] <Mezenir> Desura doesnt have the new games sadly
[18:22] <Mezenir> i think theyre more aimed at the indie category
[18:22] <superfly> Desura has OilRush, and that's the only new game you need to worry about :-P
[18:23] <Mezenir> haha
[18:23] <Mezenir> i find it strange
[18:24] <Mezenir> since starcraft 2 came out on mac
[18:24] <Mezenir> and they used opengl
[18:24] <Mezenir> why cant it be on linux ?
[18:24] <Mezenir> conspiracy against linux :/
[18:24] <Mezenir> or just lack of monetary incentive
[18:24] <Mezenir> lol
[18:24] <superfly> they don't see the profit in it
[18:24] <nuvolari> Kilos: naand oom!
[18:25]  * nuvolari eventually get to IRC tonight
[18:25] <nuvolari> lo 'fly, Mezenir
[18:25] <Kilos> lo nuvolari welcome
[18:25] <superfly> even though Linux consistently brings in more money per gamer than Windows or Mac in the humble bundles
[18:25] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[18:25] <Mezenir> hey nuvo
[18:26] <nuvolari> how's everyone doing?
[18:26] <Kilos> as we please
[18:27] <nuvolari> heh, good
[18:27] <Kilos> haha
[18:27] <nuvolari> how was you day oom Kilos?
[18:28] <Mezenir> going good thanks
[18:28] <Mezenir> how about you
[18:28] <Kilos> so so laddy ty and yours?
[18:28] <nuvolari> not too bad
[18:28] <Kilos> why you busy day and night, what you scheming
[18:28] <nuvolari> looking forward that our IT team will grow a little
[18:28] <nuvolari> Kilos: watching series when I get home oom
[18:28] <Kilos> at work?
[18:29] <nuvolari> gives me a chance to blow off steam
[18:29] <Kilos> sewende laan etc
[18:29] <nuvolari> no no, series on my 'puter
[18:29] <nuvolari> I don't watch TV
[18:29] <Kilos> or you a days of our lives fan
[18:29] <Kilos> oh
[18:30] <Kilos> like the big bang theory
[18:30] <nuvolari> my folks bought a TV that they sent with, but that's in my closet untill they come here :P
[18:30] <Kilos> lol
[18:30] <nuvolari> ya, something like that
[18:30] <nuvolari> Watching House at the moment
[18:31] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:32] <Kilos> ian also watches that stuff then tells me he is busy when i get cross because i gotta wait for a reply on pidgin
[18:33] <Kilos> if he was here i would klap him silly
[18:33] <nuvolari> went for a bike ride today after work  as well. quick ride after work feels more hectic than in the morning
[18:33] <nuvolari> lol
[18:33] <nuvolari> should get you some oom Kilos
[18:34] <Kilos> some what?
[18:34] <nuvolari> some series to watch
[18:34] <Kilos> when he comes he bring spanne movies and some series and i copy them on here but hardly watch them
[18:35] <nuvolari> bah :-/ why oom?
[18:35] <Kilos> mmm
[18:36] <Kilos> mostly i can watch one then head starts thumping and then i also forget i got them
[18:37] <Kilos> i got all the startreks
[18:37] <Kilos> and stargates
[18:38] <nuvolari> I'm not a space-sci-fi fan :P
[18:38] <nuvolari> probably the only geek not liking it
[18:39] <Kilos> wow i love skifi
[18:39] <Kilos> scifi
[18:39] <Kilos> we call it skiefie
[18:43] <nuvolari> lol
[18:43] <nuvolari> daar's ook syfy
[18:43] <nuvolari> of so iets
[18:44] <Kilos> maar ek kyk sewende laan
[18:45] <Kilos> net bietjie sleg dat die skrywer almal laat lieg hele tyd
[18:45] <nuvolari> heh, dan raak dit voorspelbaar
[18:45] <nuvolari> wat gebeur? nee, die een lieg vir daai een
[18:46] <Kilos> ja maar dit laat almal dink lieg is nie sleg nie
[18:46] <Kilos> soos wit leuens
[18:46] <nuvolari> presies :/
[18:46] <Kilos> daar is nie so iets nie
[18:46] <Kilos> lieg is lieg
[18:46] <nuvolari> leer ook almal om rond te vry :P
[18:46] <Kilos> ja
[18:52] <Kilos> night guys, see you morrow night
[19:26] <zeref> whoa
[19:26] <zeref> just been reading up on this SOPA thing