[00:00] <sistpoty> Riddell: sorry for getting your name wrong in my mail just sent... :(
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I was referred here from kubuntu-kde4. I would like to see the removal of systemsettings from the "Settings" submenu of the KDE4 menu widgets reverted.
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> The rational being that users of the Traditional menu don't have the "Computer" tab that Kickoff has.
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> [18:55:31] <JontheEchidna> Was this on purpose or should I file a bug?
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> [18:57:44] <Nightrose> I think this was done on purpose since it is still present under computer
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> [18:57:56] <Nightrose> however I don't really like it either
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> [18:57:59] <JontheEchidna> There is no computer tab in the traditional menu
[00:02] <Riddell> that menu should be fixed then
[00:03] <Nightrose> for the logs: I don't like it because systemsettings don't turn up when I search for them in the searchbar in kickoff
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> Oh hey, you're right. It doesn't.
[00:04] <Nightrose> (that is quite annoying for me)
[00:04] <Nightrose> cause I use that search a lot
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> Even though I prefer the Traditional Menu to Kickoff, I must say that the search feature is one of the most compelling features of Kickoff
[02:26] <jjesse_> evening :)
[02:28] <DaSkreech> Hello mate
[02:32] <jjesse_> hello DaSkreech
[02:32] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[02:33] <jjesse_> doing well, getting ready for vacation next week
[02:33] <DaSkreech> sounds good
[02:48] <jjesse> don't you hate projects youve been working so long on you don't want to get started back on?
[02:49]  * Hobbsee uses the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ on jjesse to motivate him
[02:49] <jjesse> grin thanks Hobbsee
[03:30] <nixternal> oh my body hurts
[03:34] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Told you not to eat all the food
[03:35] <nixternal> I didn't dude. Bruce Perens ate all of the food
[03:35] <nixternal> that guy never stops eating
[03:35] <crimsun> he got there before you did?
[03:36] <nixternal> I had breakfast with him...he eats faster than he talks
[03:36] <nixternal> and when he talks, there is no telling where it is going
[03:36] <crimsun> he sounds like one of my cats
[03:36] <nixternal> we went from Ubuntu and how great it is to Regan and Star Wars, China, something about Rye
[03:36] <nixternal> and I can't remember what else
[03:37] <nixternal> he has a few screws loose
[03:37] <crimsun> mm, konsole-kde4 is nicer than gnome-terminal  [no surprise there]
[03:37] <nixternal> omg...the Open Source panel, had a Microsoft representative on it
[03:37] <nixternal> Maddog and Bruce ate that poor guy up
[03:37] <nixternal> and Bottomely even got in a few jabs
[03:38] <DaSkreech> bottomely?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> `What did they do?
[03:49] <jjesse> wow that canonical training program branch is super huge, still trying to branch
[03:50] <DaSkreech> How many people does canonical employ ?
[03:50] <jjesse> DaSkreech: no clue
[03:50] <jjesse> its the official ubuntu training branch is what i'm working on
[03:50]  * jjesse isn't an employee
[04:25] <DaSkreech> `A fie on my Grandma!! She told me to be an actor!
[04:25] <coreymon77> :P
[04:27] <DaSkreech> `Oooh You look ljust like clark gable
[06:16] <arsctesk> http://board.gulli.com/
[09:59] <apachelogger> nixternal: you cannot zoom in
[09:59] <apachelogger> only out
[09:59] <apachelogger> and that will resize the toolbox
[09:59] <apachelogger> so if you zoom out you get lost if you don't have a very precise mouse
[09:59] <apachelogger> also
[10:00] <apachelogger> you can _remove_ vital plasmoids
[10:00] <apachelogger> like the whole bottom bar
[10:00] <apachelogger> in fact, in a stock setup that is all you can do
[10:00] <apachelogger> break you desktop in the easiest ways possible
[10:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: slow, I think the only things that are missing right now are the kross dependencies on python and ruby
[10:01]  * apachelogger is quite busy with school
[11:00] <Nightrose> morning :)
[11:06] <Serega> Nightrose: hi!
[11:06] <Nightrose> hey :)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> so, should i stay part of kubuntu members?
[11:46]  * Nightrose votes yes
[11:49] <Hobbsee> neat, i can choose my own subscription date
[11:56] <claydoh> 'morning folks!
[11:58] <Nightrose> heya
[14:07] <Serega> Nightrose: ok, thanks. should I be present at the meeting?
[14:07] <Nightrose> yes
[14:07] <Nightrose> you will be asked some questions
[14:07]  * Serega said 'f..ck' about netsplit :)
[14:07] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:07] <Nightrose> if you can't make it it might be possible to do it via email
[14:07] <Nightrose> or just wait for the next meeting
[14:08] <Nightrose> if you want to see how it usually works have a look at the log of the last meeting
[14:08] <Serega> Nightrose: when will be the next?
[14:08] <Nightrose> there were two going for membership
[14:08] <Nightrose> not sure
[14:08] <Nightrose> Jucato: do you know?
[14:08] <Jucato> nope.. I kinda lost track of meetings  since January...
[14:09] <Jucato> there was a nasty trend of being on the times when I had real life :(
[14:09] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:09]  * Nightrose hugs Jucato
[14:09] <Jucato> thanks :)
[14:10] <Nightrose> Serega: just wait - it will be announced in the topic
[14:10]  * ryanakca can't win with meetings... either a) they're at 5AM, or b) they're on a Wednesday while I'm at band practice...
[14:10] <Jucato> ooh band :)
[14:10] <Serega> kool
[14:10] <Nightrose> wohooo netsplits should be over now accoding to cristel \o/
[14:10] <ryanakca> well, pipe band :)
[14:11] <Jucato> riiiight.... over now...
[14:11] <Jucato> we'll see :)
[14:11]  * Serega has bought electric guitar two weeks ago
[14:11] <ryanakca> hurra :)
[14:11] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:11] <Nightrose> Serega: can you play it? or are you taking lessons?
[14:12]  * Nightrose played accordeon and keyboard way back then ;-)
[14:12] <Jucato> uh oh...
[14:12] <Serega> Serega: I have much exp on accoustic one, so I hope to master this new guitar by myself :)
[14:12] <Nightrose> cool
[14:12] <Jucato> now you reminded me that it will almost be 1 year since I got a violin... and I can't even play "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" on it...
[14:13] <Serega> I play keyboards too!
[14:13] <Jucato> Serega: talking to ourself now, are we? :)
[14:13]  * Jucato can play basic keyboards/piano
[14:13] <Serega> PC 104 key is preferred
[14:13] <ryanakca> lol
[14:13] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:14] <Serega> Jucato: :)
[14:17] <Serega> Jucato: ah... I just realize what you was talking about :)))
[14:18] <Jucato> lol! 5 minutes! :)
[14:18] <Serega> long ping
[14:18] <Jucato> :D
[14:18] <Serega> That msg was for Nightrose? of course
[14:18] <Serega> *delete '?'
[14:18] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:18] <Nightrose> yea
[14:18] <Nightrose> got it
[14:19] <Jucato> obviously :)
[14:19] <Jucato> we're not talking to ryanakca anyway :)
[14:19]  * Jucato runs and hides
[14:19] <Serega> why? O.o :)
[14:19] <ryanakca> Serega: beyond me ;)
[14:20] <Jucato> why? because there's no one else :)
[14:20]  * Jucato keeps quiet now...
[14:36] <jtate> Hey everyone, I'm Joseph Tate, one of the primary developers of Foresight's KDE edition.  I'm here to pick your brains mostly.  :)
[14:37] <CheGuevara> hi
[14:37] <jtate> I mainly want a forum where I can confirm bugs to be upstream or not before I go bug kde devs.
[14:38] <jtate> but info on how you solve issues like Network Manager, and Pulse Audio/ConsoleKit integration would be nice too.
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> isn't there a cross-distro KDE mailing list for that sort of stuff?
[14:38] <nosrednaekim> not thatyou aren't welcome or anything ;)
[14:38] <jtate> Well, Nightrose said that this was kind of a congregating place
[14:39] <jtate> but yes, I'll be trying to liven up kde-packagers too.
[14:39] <Nightrose> hey jtate :)
[14:39] <Nightrose> welcome
[14:40] <jtate> Nightrose: thanks
[14:40] <jtate> I see nixternal is here too.
[14:40] <jtate> and crimsun?  I haven't chatted with you in ages.
[14:41] <Nightrose> jtate: FYI there is also #kubuntu-testers
[14:41] <Nightrose> where you can ask for stuff to be tested/confirmed
[14:41] <jtate> cool
[14:42]  * jtate may need to start work on adv_adv_windowlist.pl for irssi
[14:42] <Nightrose> hehe
[14:51] <jtate> One of our biggest problems right now is getting Flash to work in konqueror.  Have you solved this problem already?
[14:52] <CheGuevara> in kde 3?
[14:52] <jtate> no, kde4
[14:52] <jtate> kde3 just worked
[14:52] <jtate> admittedly I'm trying to get 64 bit konq to interface with 32 bit flash...
[14:53] <CheGuevara> heh
[14:53] <CheGuevara> thought u were still talking about the xembed issue
[14:53] <jtate> Seems to work Ok in Firefox...
[14:54] <CheGuevara> 64 bit firefox?
[14:54] <jtate> yes
[14:54] <jtate> but that took significant engineering by another Foresight dev.
[14:55] <jtate> nspluginwrapper is supposed to support that.
[14:56] <CheGuevara> yep
[15:01] <CheGuevara> don't have a x64 machine to test this on
[15:01] <jtate> 32 bit konq with flash work ok?
[15:02] <CheGuevara> let me check, i still prefer ff to konq
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> jtate: it magically worked here with amd64 kde3 konqueror
[15:02] <CheGuevara> kde 4 konq is the questions :P
[15:02] <CheGuevara> *question
[15:02] <nosrednaekim> oh :P
[15:03] <CheGuevara> yeah jtate 32 bit konq 4 works fine with flash
[15:04] <jtate> Ok, we'll probably just have to extend the engineering from firefox over.  I'll let you know what I figure out.
[15:05] <CheGuevara> if kde4's konq support xembed now (am not sure), it should work fine with latest nspluginwrapper
[15:06] <ryanakca> jtate: if ever you get an adv_adv_windowlist.pl done, let me know :)
[15:08] <jtate> ryanakca: will do
[15:35] <nixternal_> jtate: what are you doing in here spying? :p
[15:36] <jtate> nixternal_: just brain picking.  CheGuevara and nosrednaekim have been very helpful.
[15:38] <Jucato> (you could try picking nixternal_'s nose...)
[15:38] <Jucato> (btw he seems to have grown a tail)
[15:39] <Nightrose> oO
[15:39] <Nightrose> nixternal_: how was your talk?
[15:39] <Nightrose> went up there in a gnome shirt? *g*
[15:57] <mhb> apachelogger: heh, I have just read the Amarok 2.0 feature list, and you don't want to know what I'm thinking about it :o)
[15:58] <mhb> apachelogger: (remember our kickoff conversation to get the idea)
[16:01] <mhb> the selling point of Amarok 1 for me was no-nonsense approach to music, it was just a big list of tracks... now with all the SVG and plasma and integration with internet shops it is going to eat all the RAM just so I can play music...
[16:02] <mhb> playing music != looking at some covers flyby 3D style
[16:02] <Nightrose> mhb: you can disable about everything of that
[16:02] <Nightrose> and no 3d yet
[16:02] <Nightrose> and if it is going to come you can disable it as well
[16:02] <mhb> Nightrose: I'm sure you feature creep fans are going for it
[16:02] <Nightrose> please...
[16:03] <mhb> just an observation
[16:03] <Nightrose> yes it is a SoC proposal
[16:03] <Nightrose> but that doesn't mean that:
[16:03] <Nightrose> a) it is going to happen
[16:03] <Nightrose> and b) that you will need to use it
[16:03] <Nightrose> and c) no bling without features
[16:03] <mhb> I'm going to wait for the numbers
[16:03] <Nightrose> you can be sure about these 3 things
[16:04] <mhb> if Amarok 2 eats more ram than Amarok 1, it's going out the door :o)
[16:04] <Nightrose> noone can stop you...
[16:04] <Nightrose> and noone forces you to use 2
[16:04] <mhb> so we're keeping amarok 1 in kubuntu indefinitely? Yay!
[16:05] <mhb> no, you will force me by trying to force it into kubuntu by default
[16:05] <Nightrose> no idea - but worse come to worse you can compile it
[16:05] <Nightrose> and please let's talk about this once Amarok 2 is released
[16:05] <Nightrose> and you gave it a try
[16:06] <mhb> sure
[16:07] <Nightrose> and another thing you have to keep in mind:
[16:07] <Nightrose> you need to be inovative
[16:07] <Nightrose> otherwise you will be left behind
[16:07] <mhb> that's BS, frankly
[16:07] <Nightrose> and this is exactly ehat we are tring to do with amarok 2
[16:07] <Nightrose> if we will succeed is another thing
[16:07] <Nightrose> *what
[16:08] <mhb> you do not have to be "innovative", after all, you just have to label a product like this. Vista was not innovative in many ways, yet every other word in the brochures was "innovative".
[16:08] <Nightrose> ...
[16:09] <mhb> Nightrose: "rm" is still with us and I haven't heard about "innovating it"
[16:10]  * Nightrose thinks that is a completely different thing
[16:11] <mhb> Nightrose: irssi also does not innovate much, no radical new UI with SVGs and plasmoids, and I'm still using it
[16:11] <mhb> Nightrose: because it works well and fast
[16:11] <Nightrose> and once quassel is ready irssi will have a though competitor
[16:12] <Nightrose> just not there yet...
[16:12] <snowolf> well, it's been around for a long time irssi
[16:12] <Nightrose> that is true
[16:12] <Nightrose> and I am not saying it will vanish
[16:12] <Nightrose> but competition will be tough
[16:13] <mhb> Nightrose: I'm saying that it seems to me that Amarok 2 is heading to become Mozilla (the product)
[16:13] <mhb> everything included
[16:13] <Nightrose> I don't think we are
[16:13] <mhb> but (almost) nobody usue it
[16:13] <mhb> uses
[16:13] <Nightrose> right now we are trying a lot of things
[16:14] <Nightrose> not everything will make it into the final version
[16:14] <Nightrose> or will be enabled by default
[16:14] <mhb> like I said, you trying many things implies feature creep. No offense.
[16:14] <Nightrose> and we have always had very sane defaults I think
[16:14] <Nightrose> you should trust us a little ;-)
[16:15] <mhb> get Donald Knuth as a lead feature planner and I'll trust you :o)
[16:16]  * mhb trusts bright scientists, open source software developers less so
[16:17] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:17] <mhb> or ast, he is trying to fight feature creep a lot these days
[16:17] <Nightrose> I can asure you we have a few people in the team who really know what they are doing concerning this
[16:17] <mhb> unfortunately, your planned features suggest otherwise
[16:18] <mhb> they want all that shiny nonsense in
[16:18] <mhb> plasma, SVG UI and so on
[16:18] <mhb> but I doubt that's what makes the majority of users, techical or not, happy
[16:19] <Nightrose> well plasma will be awesome exactly because you might be able to design your own context view
[16:19] <Nightrose> so have only the stuff there you really care about
[16:19] <Nightrose> so less clutter in the end
[16:19] <mhb> no, plasma will be horrid because it'll just consume resources and most of the users won't design any such thing anyway
[16:19] <Nightrose> and svgs are awesome because it perfectly blends in with your desktop
[16:19] <mhb> but go for it, integrate as much as you need
[16:19] <mhb> and more
[16:19] <ryanakca> mhb: you could always fork Amarok, take an axe to it and get rid of the feature creep if you really wanted to :)
[16:20] <Nightrose> mhb: did you try it yet wrt plasma's memory usage?
[16:20]  * Hobbsee thought that was minirok.
[16:20] <Nightrose> and sure a lot of people will not write their own plasmoids
[16:20] <mhb> ryanakca: or, someone else would (will, I'm sure) do it and I'll just use my superpowers to get rid of that bloated amarok in kubuntu
[16:20] <Nightrose> but that is not the point
[16:20] <Nightrose> they can use others
[16:21] <Nightrose> (others plasmoids that is)
[16:21] <mhb> of course, I'm assuming it will get bloated, which might not be the point, as Nightrose says
[16:21] <mhb> it may seem likely to me, but that's just speculation
[16:23] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: minirok will have to wait until after akademy it seems
[16:23] <mhb> Nightrose: I'm also guessing you will fail to get much OS X and Windows market share... because how big would a standalone Amarok build be, when you only have a clean XP system ready?
[16:23] <Nightrose> Stecchino is _very_ busy with work and preperation for akademy
[16:23] <mhb> 60MBs? more?
[16:24] <mhb> you have to get all of qt, kdelibs, then plasmoids, and more
[16:24] <mhb> that's not 30KBs
[16:24] <Nightrose> mhb: that is a problem we are working on with the kde on windows guys
[16:24] <Nightrose> and we will solve it eventually
[16:24] <Nightrose> we already have some ideas
[16:24] <mhb> well, unless you remove the bloat... :o)
[16:24] <Nightrose> ...
[16:25]  * Nightrose cuddles mhb
[16:25] <mhb> people seem to like software that has <10MBs in size
[16:25] <Nightrose> everything will be fine in the end ;-)
[16:25] <crimsun> I would just like to mention that the split modes in konsole-kde4 rock arse.  That is all.
[16:25] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:26] <mhb> hmm, I still like my console app which does not need several MBs of libs just to load
[16:26] <mhb> (urxvt)
[16:26] <mhb> then again, I'm disappointed with a lot of FLOSS software these days
[16:27] <mhb> Firefox, Pidgin, Amarok1, k3b, kaffeine I like.
[16:28] <mhb> plasma, KDE4, GNOME I don't.
[16:28] <Nightrose> (/me is in love with kde 4's present windows effect)
[16:29] <mhb> wake me up when it won't take several seconds on a C2D CPU just to display the background :o)
[16:30] <mhb> meaning the splash screen. Whatever needs a splash screen is bloated, usually.
[16:31] <mhb> hmm, minirok looks interesting
[16:36] <mhb> Nightrose: who did you say develop it? Stecchino?
[16:36] <Nightrose> yes
[16:38] <mhb> how do you spell it, is he on IRC perchance?
[16:39] <Nightrose> [17:38] [Whois] Stecchino is n=bart@amarok/developer/Stecchino (Bart Cerneels)
[16:39] <mhb> ah, right... I was whoising the wrong server, sorry
[16:39] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:54] <ryanakca> woah... http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/gnomeandkde4.png ... I was running gnome on vt7 a few days ago, logged out... then I decided to start KDE4 on vt7... and it looks like I have a wierd mixture of KDE4 and GNOME
[18:58] <ryanakca> http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/gnomeandkde5.png ... just happens on one virtual desktop/workspace though...
[19:04] <DrakeJustice> wut's up with b43? made me go to ndis... that def. shouldn't happen in final...
[19:04] <DrakeJustice> good work on the compiz integration tho...
[19:05] <DrakeJustice> i appreciate you guys and i'd be here dev'in too if i had nuf $$, back to work, sry 4 trollin'
[19:18] <mhb> ryanakca: I can't figure out how can you survive with just one konsole
[19:19] <mhb> ryanakca: of course, if I were picky I'd say that a console over the whole screen creates a bad practice when hacking
[19:19] <mhb> ryanakca: a nice coder respects the 80 characters
[19:19] <mhb> ryanakca: also shorter lines make the code a lot more readable
[19:20] <mhb> ryanakca: I'm a wise-guy a lot these days, ain't I? :o) sorry
[20:18] <_Sime_> grrrr crashy plasma
[20:19] <_Sime_> wow that killed all my kde4 apps....
[20:20] <fdoving> man, the taglist plugin to vim is so nice. :)
[20:24] <ryanakca> mhb: one console, 10 tabs.
[20:26] <yuriy> and a screen
[20:26] <ryanakca> oh, yes, and then you have screen... figure that each tab has a screen with up to three subscreens/windowns :)
[20:27] <ryanakca> Who said you need more than one konsole window? :P
[20:27] <fdoving> i need more than one :)
[20:28] <fdoving> to utilize the kwin features. those nice present windows and present desktops features :)
[20:28] <ryanakca> lol, don't let mhb hear you say that :)
[20:31]  * yuriy isn't a fan of present windows
[20:31] <fdoving> i am.
[20:32] <fdoving> now that it have nice search features.
[20:32] <fdoving> type-ahead-search-thing.
[20:32] <ryanakca> hmm... how do you use that?
[20:32]  * ryanakca thinks he has pretty much every KWin feature enabled... mouse to top left/right?
[20:33] <fdoving> ctrl-f10
[20:33] <fdoving> and start typing for example 'konq'
[20:33] <fdoving> if you have a konq open.
[20:33] <ryanakca> heh. Interesting
[20:33] <fdoving> yep, pretty nice.
[20:33] <ryanakca> Mind you, I rarely have enough windows open on the desktop that I can't quickly cycle through them with alt-tab
[20:34] <fdoving> i use f10, without ctrl to make it quicker
[20:34] <fdoving> that is just because you find it messy and you can't manage them all at once. with this nice feature and 2Gigs of ram i'm super-happy :)
[20:35] <ryanakca> lol
[20:35]  * ryanakca only has 512mb :)
[20:35] <fdoving> I do agree though, that 10+ windows gets messy without this feature because you have a hard time finding the correct window.
[20:35] <fdoving> a special nice feature is that it searches window titles, so webpage-titles does work.
[20:36] <yuriy> 512? ouch.
[20:36]  * yuriy throws mhb a bone
[20:36] <fdoving> so finding the konq with for example kubuntu.org is quick.
[20:37] <fdoving> ryanakca: what type of ram do you use? - i have some left over laptop ram. ddr2-dimm pc5300.
[20:38] <yuriy> heh i have a gig of that lying around as well
[20:38] <ryanakca> fdoving: Umm... just a sec, I'll check. I think its only PC3200 or something of the sort
[20:38] <yuriy> gah more kernel updates
[20:39]  * yuriy isn't rebooting his desktop again until hardy is released unless n-m forces him too again
[20:39] <ryanakca> PC3200 DDR 400MHz :)
[20:39] <fdoving> ok, can't use the ddr2-dimm then. :|
[20:39]  * ryanakca wishes there was a shortcut to change the opacity of your window
[20:39] <ryanakca> nope :)
[20:39] <yuriy> set one
[20:40] <fdoving> ryanakca: i use the mousewheel/touchpad scroll on the window decoration for that.
[20:40] <yuriy> oh yeah that isn't set to anything by default on kde4
[20:40] <nareshov> move your cursor to the top-left corner
[20:41] <fdoving> or configure it in system settings -> window behavior -> window behavior -> titlebar actions -> titlebar wheel event
[20:42] <jjesse> taxes suck
[20:42] <fdoving> yep.
[20:44]  * ryanakca would like to thank icecc for making his server compile instead of his desktop :)
[20:44] <fdoving> yeah, icecc is so nice.
[20:44]  * ryanakca is rebuilding KDE4 ... takes half the time :)
[20:44]  * ryanakca wonders if you could use it for package building...
[20:46] <fdoving> sure.
[20:47] <fdoving> do you use pbuilder?
[20:47] <fdoving> should be possible to install it in the build-chroot and save it.
[20:50] <ryanakca> fdoving: sbuild/schroot... but yeah
[20:52] <Riddell> hi Serega, sorry the meeting didn't happen
[20:53] <Serega> Riddell: hi Jonathan, it's ok
[20:53] <Serega> does anybody use any IDE for python?
[20:54] <ScottK2> awen_: How do the Guidance changes in your PPA look for being uploaded?
[20:54] <mhb> ryanakca: if one large konsole suits you, so be it ... just remember to hack in 80 char lines
[20:54] <ryanakca> Serega: vim :)
[20:54] <ScottK2> Serega: I don't, but I do like the highlighting for Python in kate.
[20:55] <ryanakca> mhb: but 80 char lines are so dull... especially when you're in python and 16-20 of those chars are spaces to indent. :D
[20:55] <awen_> ScottK2: i haven't received any confirmation that they work... but i'm pretty confident, that they actually do solve the problem,  so please include them
[20:55] <ScottK2> Serega: Both eric and spe are up to date in Hardy.  The spe developer is an Ubuntu user and somewhat active on #ubuntu-motu.
[20:55] <ScottK2> awen_:
[20:55] <mhb> ryanakca: don't tell me...
[20:55] <ScottK2> awen_: OK.  Thanks.
[20:55] <mhb> ryanakca: code practice is nothing to you, is it? :o)
[20:56] <awen_> ScottK2: did you see, that we received a patch for making it survive hal/dbus restarts ... do you include that one also?
[20:56] <ScottK2> awen_: I'm having trouble right now where my brightness doesn't change when I plug/unplug power.  Is that something you fixed?
[20:56] <ScottK2> awen_: I did and I plan to.
[20:56] <ryanakca> mhb: lol, well, my vt isn't even 80 chars wide :(
[20:57] <Serega> ryanakca: yep, I already use vim, but it is so boring to search method names and etc manually
[20:57] <ryanakca> Serega: iirc, there's a KDevelop for Scripting languages
[20:57] <Serega> ScottK2: thanks.
[20:57] <fdoving> Serega: get taglist plugin
[20:58] <Serega> fdoving: ouw... did heard about that, thank you
[20:58] <mhb> ryanakca: that's because of the silly font in Konsole
[20:58] <awen_> ScottK2: no, i didn't look at brightness change on plug/unplug events ... they work fine for me
[20:59] <fdoving> Serega: it's nice, just recently started to use it. shot: http://frode.kde.no/misc/vim-taglist.png
[20:59] <ScottK2> So now it's working ...
[20:59] <ScottK2> Nevermind.
[20:59] <ScottK2> awen_: It's more complicated it seems.  Give me a moment to look at it.
[20:59] <ryanakca> mhb: no, ctrl-alt-f[1-6]
[21:00] <mhb> ryanakca: that should be exactly 80x25
[21:00] <Serega> fdoving: awesome!!! exactly what miss with vim!
[21:00] <fdoving> Serega: and you know how to use tabs and split windows, right? :)
[21:00] <Serega> I hope it works with python
[21:00] <awen_> ScottK2: yeah... i see, there is something strange here too
[21:01] <ScottK2> awen_: It's odd.  Sometimes after I plug back in brightness restores for about a second and then goes dim again.
[21:01] <Serega> fdoving: of course :)
[21:01] <fdoving> Serega: then you're set :)
[21:01] <Serega> fdoving: I like vim very much
[21:01] <fdoving> me too.
[21:01] <mhb> we all love vim
[21:02] <Serega> maybe I miss something else very cosy? :)
[21:02] <mhb> it rocks, unlike most k*s and g*s :o)
[21:02] <awen_> ScottK2: i can't reproduce exectly that here ... but i remember seeing something in the code, that might be part of the cause, i'll try to make a patch and see, if it changes anything
[21:02] <fdoving> Serega: the kde-devel.vim script, but that's only usefull if you do kde and c++.
[21:03] <ScottK2> awen_: Sounds good.
[21:04] <Serega> btw, guys, KDevelop assistant looks broken, it's index is full but no pages found. Does anybody use it?
[21:04] <Serega> qt-doc & friends are installed
[22:12] <jjesse> nixternal_: have you looked at the kubuntu-docs-intrepid to clean up like mdke did w/ ubuntu-docs for intrepid?
[22:56] <awen_> ScottK2: I've made a patch that will solve the brightness problem in some cases ... but after some testing i can see, that at least in my case, it seems like hal is getting confused about the brightness settings when i plug/unplug to many times
[22:57] <ScottK2> That sounds like progress.
[22:57] <ScottK2> Progress is good.
[22:57] <ScottK2> awen_: I'd say let's go for it.
[22:58] <awen_> ScottK2: yeah ... we can't really do much more in guidance, and I really don't want to touch hal :)
[22:58]  * ScottK2 neither.
[22:58] <awen_> ScottK2: the ~ppa2 contains both the gamma and the brightness fix
[22:59] <ScottK2> awen_: OK.  Would you please link me.
[23:00] <awen_> https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive ... I'll just make you a real debdiff, two mins
[23:01] <ScottK2> OK.  Thanks.
[23:01] <ScottK2> awen_: Would you apply smarter's patch too.
[23:01] <ScottK2> awen_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/123812
[23:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123812 in kde-guidance "RFE: powermanager should handle dbus, hald restarts" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[23:02] <awen_> ScottK2: I'll do
[23:02] <ScottK2> Thanks
[23:05] <daSkreech> is there a jasper command line executable?
[23:10] <awen_> ScottK2: i keep getting "patch: **** unexpected end of file in patch" when trying to apply the debdiff ... any better way than "patch -p1 < [patchname]" to apply a debdiff
[23:10] <ScottK2> That's how I usually do it.
[23:11] <ScottK2> Debdiffs I usually use -p0
[23:12] <awen_> ScottK2: got it ... it was reversed :)
[23:12] <ScottK2> Ah.
[23:13] <ScottK2> patch/unpatch, it's all the same in the end ...
[23:13] <awen_> ScottK2: no... hmm
[23:14] <ScottK2> Not?
[23:15] <awen_> no, just me misreading the error messages.. it jus keeps complaining
[23:15] <xRaich[o]2x> Someone here to help me out with a PyQt4 problem?
[23:26] <awen_> manually extracted the patch... that worked better
[23:30] <awen_> ScottK2: it handles hal restarts very well ... but dbus restarts does have some ill-effects
[23:32] <awen_> ScottK2: it handles hal restarts very well ... but dbus restarts does have some ill-effects
[23:33] <awen_> (those dbus restarts also kills your wireless connection)
[23:44] <awen_> ScottK2: should we remove the dbus recovery code to "mark" that: something is wrong, please restart us, instead of showing the correct icon but having a lot of things not working ... but of course still keep the hal recovery code
[23:45] <ScottK2> Does the dbus restart code make things better or worse?
[23:46] <awen_> it makes the icon + battery + cpu status show correctly ... but a lot of other stuff fails, but nothing visual indicates that something is wrong to the user
[23:49] <awen_> ScottK2: so it's a choice between failing completely (hopefully indicating, please restart me to the user) ... or failing partly (but the user doesn't know that anything is wrong)
[23:58] <ScottK2> Are the stats accurate?