[00:22] <alesan> hi, is Kubuntu using pulseaudio ???
[00:34] <gannondorf> Saluton kubuntu!
[07:21] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:13] <soee> good morning
[08:31] <decepary> hey.
[08:34] <decepary> what's up?
[08:56] <MJ2363> hi every1
[08:56] <MJ2363> how can I purge all gnome packages in order to install kde-desktop?
[08:57] <valorie> you need not purge anything to install the kde-desktop, if you don't want to
[08:57] <MJ2363> yes I know...
[08:57] <hateball> !purekde
[08:57] <MJ2363> but I would like to remove gnome for space puroposes
[08:57] <valorie> ok
[08:58] <hateball> note the versions ^
[08:58] <MJ2363> are those for 13.10?
[08:58] <MJ2363> I think thery are a bit outdated :(
[09:13] <skramer_> Hi all. I have a rather stupid question today: How can I force apps that I ran by 'kdesudo ...' to have same look as if I ran them as normal user?
[09:15] <hateball> skramer_: You could set the desktop theme for root I suppose
[09:16] <hateball> assuming they are qt applications
[09:16] <skramer_> Ok. So I should do 'kdesudo systemsttings' and then select same them for window decoration, etc.?
[09:17] <skramer_> Gtk apps will look bit different, anyway. But that´s no problem :)
[09:17] <valorie> skramer_: it's rather dangerous to run stuff as root
[09:21] <skramer_> valorie: I´m quite aware that no program should not be run as root normally. Still, sometimes I need to edit some file  in /etc. So 'kdesudo kate  file' should make me able editing the file, but I want to have kate looking same as if I ran it as my normal user...
[09:21] <valorie> ok, as long as you are aware
[09:21] <skramer_> :)
[11:52] <serj> re
[12:44] <taduro__> sup guys
[12:44] <taduro__> when I log in with my user
[12:44] <taduro__> the screen goes black
[12:44] <taduro__> any ideas? :(
[12:46] <monkeyjuice> what you using taduro__ 13.**?
[12:48] <monkeyjuice> taduro__:  did it work?, what made it stop working?, did you upgrade?, ect
[12:48] <taduro__> 13.10 monkeyjuice
[12:49] <taduro__> monkeyjuice: nothing, I was in class, I switched off my computer
[12:49] <taduro__> and when I arrived at home..
[12:49] <taduro__> surprise
[12:56] <monkeyjuice> been looking for help online taduro__ there are a few bugs it seems , hoping someone else will jump in and help you with this..
[12:57] <taduro__> ok thank you very much monkeyjuice
[13:04] <Linusnewb> hi all
[13:06] <Linusnewb> how do I stop networkmanager or restart it? service network-manager stop does it not
[13:08] <Linusnewb> /etc/init.d/networking stop Error: calling a sysvinit script.... blablabla
[13:15] <Linusnewb> no one any idea?
[13:18] <taduro__> Linusnewb: no, sorry :/
[13:23] <Linusnewb> taduro__ I think I have a plasma-nm tool in 13.10 kubuntu but what applet it is using I don't now gnome utils or kde something in xorg or whatever
[13:24] <alvin> Linusnewb: service networking restart (name changed)
[13:26] <Linusnewb> is there any way to look what is the new name on console
[13:30] <maruf> hayy all how are you....?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:19] <Taduro> If I do $ startx > log.txt ← That will save what startx says? because I can log with other accounts (rigth now I'm using that other account) but with my account, when I try to log in, it shows up the kdm(?) splash screen like "loading" but woah, the screen goes entirely black. I tried with another tty, login in with my account and then startx, but it does the same, when it arrives to the "plasma loading screen", the screen goes black
[15:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> yay muon is again forgetting how to work
[15:35] <Bundestrojaner> hello
[15:37] <apachelogger> Taduro: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ... as for the logs you can find the regular log at ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log
[15:37] <Taduro> apachelogger: hello! But I'm right now using plasma with another user
[15:37] <Taduro> You want me to install kubuntu-desktop with my normal account?
[15:37] <Bundestrojaner> when i start KGPG, it shows the Name in the bar at the bottom of the screen, for a few seconds, than it dissapears. The program never starts. When i start it from console, i get twice "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave."
[15:37] <apachelogger> Taduro: sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-settings-active
[15:38] <apachelogger> Bundestrojaner: are you sure it's not simply hiding in the systray?
[15:41] <Bundestrojaner> apachelogger: you're right, thx! I didn't know it stays in tray. and the error message in Konsole confirmed me...
[15:43] <apachelogger> Bundestrojaner: FWIW, I think it should open the window when started manually regardless of whether it is in the tray alraedy; you may want to file a bug at bugs.kde.org
[15:44] <Taduro> apachelogger: can you explain it again, please?
[15:46] <apachelogger> oh wait, that makes even less sense
[15:46] <apachelogger> Taduro: best get that startkde.log
[15:46] <apachelogger> something must be incorrectly configured such that  your plasma-desktop doesn't come up
[15:47] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:56] <Taduro> apachelogger: I sent you the paste
[16:04] <AshishL> i was planning on installing Kubuntu for development on windows using Virtual Machine ... i visited a link . Can anyone tell me if it is appropriate ? http://www.artiss.co.uk/2009/01/running-kubuntu-under-virtualbox
[16:16] <Taduro> apachelogger: there are more logs?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I burned the daily image to dvd yesterday , is that new enough to contain the latest kernel.?
[16:19] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Does the live-env work? uname -a to check.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> lordievader, 3.12.0-5-generic
[16:21] <BluesKaj> used the live dvd to install in vmware
[16:21] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is a quite recent kernel.
[16:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Is also what run on this updated install of Trusty.
[16:22] <lordievader> BluesKaj: But the live env works?
[16:22] <lordievader> The graphics I mean?
[16:22] <apachelogger> Taduro: unregistered nicks cannot query me :P
[16:22] <Taduro> oh
[16:23] <Taduro> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525345/
[16:25] <apachelogger> hm
[16:26] <apachelogger> Taduro: mv ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserver ~
[16:26] <apachelogger> then try to log in
[16:27] <Taduro> apachelogger: I ahve to leave, I'll come here in a moment!
[16:28] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no live dvd diesn't work by itself , but works fine in vmwareplayer
[16:28] <Whiskey`Wonka> anyone know what to do about muon? "this operation could not continue proper wauthorization was not provided"
[16:30] <Whiskey`Wonka> polkit is isntalled, im not using a remote session. im guessing its a dbus issue?
[16:31] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Ahh, so it really is the hardware.. You cannot get into a tty on the actual machine (not a vm)?
[16:31] <apachelogger> really hard to say
[16:31] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: tried a restart?
[16:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> apachelogger: i know a restart will fix it but this isnt friggen windows
[16:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> id a solution not a bandaid
[16:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> like*
[16:32] <apachelogger> well
[16:32] <apachelogger> oh actually
[16:32] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: is qaptworker running?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no tty available
[16:32] <Whiskey`Wonka> ill look
[16:33] <Whiskey`Wonka> oot     18018  0.0  0.0 254884  7208 ?        Sl   06:50   0:00 /usr/bin/qaptworker2
[16:34] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: cd ~; sudo gdb -p `pidof qaptworker2`  .... once you get a prompt type ... set logging on ... and after that ... thread apply all bt ... and after that .... set logging off ... and after that quit
[16:35] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I also tried 13.10, same result
[16:35] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: after that you should find a file called gdb.txt in your home, please paste the content
[16:35] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: and then you can run `sudo killall qaptworker2` and see if that makes muon work again
[16:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> Inferior 1 [process 18018] will be detached.
[16:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> that ok?
[16:36] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> mmm, must have done something wrong, no gdb.txt
[16:37] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: can you paste the output of the terminal session?
[16:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://pastebin.com/tfGXGMCE
[16:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> should i still restart qaptworker2?
[16:39] <apachelogger> you forgot set logging on xD
[16:39] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: yeah
[16:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> i sware i typed it lol
[16:40] <apachelogger> only logging off
[16:40] <apachelogger> anyway, the backtrace is not useful
[16:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> =(
[16:40] <Whiskey`Wonka> worth a try
[16:41] <apachelogger> well, if it fixes the issue it's still only a workaround but I have the strong feeling that qaptworker2 gets stuck and consequently the authentication fails
[16:41] <apachelogger> however it's nigh impossible to find out why it gets stuck
[16:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> thats fun
[16:43] <Whiskey`Wonka> damn this thing is running like crap now
[16:43] <Whiskey`Wonka> and its still not asking for perms
[16:43] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: killall polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1
[16:44] <apachelogger> start it again via `/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1`
[16:44] <apachelogger> does that help?
[16:44] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah! there is no polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 running
[16:44] <Whiskey`Wonka> only polkit listed is root       944  0.0  0.0 272308  4280 ?        Sl   Dec03   0:01 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug
[16:45] <apachelogger> that would explain it then
[16:45] <apachelogger> curious that it would explode
[16:45] <apachelogger> or maybe it was not started
[16:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> not sure why it wouldnt start, it handles the wallet too doesnt it?
[16:46] <Whiskey`Wonka> or i should ask, what handled kde wallet and the new wifi manager keys ?
[16:46] <apachelogger> wallet is independent of polkit
[16:46] <apachelogger> polkit expands permissions beyond the user settings
[16:47] <apachelogger> the wallet is user specific though
[16:47] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://pastebin.com/b4PTm8NF
[16:47] <apachelogger> unamed app is funny xD
[16:47] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: does it work now?
[16:48] <Taduro> apachelogger: I'm back, do you know how to get the message from the konsole in english? for the errore message I'm getting..
[16:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> ill try but it looks like /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 did not run
[16:48] <apachelogger> Taduro: LANG=C before the command you want to have in english
[16:48] <apachelogger> e.g. LANG=C kde4-config --help
[16:49] <Taduro> apachelogger: awesome
[16:49] <Taduro> apachelogger: mv: cannot stat '/home/soul/.kde/share/config/ksmserver': No such file or directory
[16:49] <apachelogger> ohm
[16:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> Still no password dialog for muon updater (and likely not for muon)
[16:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> holy crap its 9 already =\
[16:50] <apachelogger> Taduro: ls -l ~/.kde/share/config |grep "^d"
[16:50] <Whiskey`Wonka> and still -5 outside, screw working
[16:51] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:52] <Taduro> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525589/
[16:52] <Whiskey`Wonka> lucky for me its a light load today and I can wait till later
[16:52] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: maybe try `dbus-monitor` and in another terminal `dbus-monitor --system` and then try to get authorization
[16:52] <apachelogger> however I find it unlikely that this will yield any information
[16:52] <apachelogger> Taduro: mv ~/.kde/share/config/session ~
[16:53] <apachelogger> then try to login
[16:53] <Whiskey`Wonka> dbus-monitor Failed to open connection to session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[16:53] <Whiskey`Wonka> that was su, should i run as my user?
[16:53] <apachelogger> yeah, your user
[16:54] <Whiskey`Wonka> LOTS of info but no idea what it all means
[16:55] <Whiskey`Wonka> signal sender=:1.152 -> dest=(null destination) serial=48 path=/org/kubuntu/qaptworker/transaction2450b95d1c294f2a9853667382533c94; interface=org.kubuntu.qaptworker2.transaction; member=propertyChanged
[16:55] <apachelogger> ah, yeah, restart them, and try to do as little as possible between starting the application and trying to get authorization, then immediately after the error ctrl-c the monitors again
[16:55] <apachelogger> and paste all the output
[16:56] <Whiskey`Wonka> oh boy
[16:56] <Whiskey`Wonka> that mens shuttign down lots of apps, mmm
[16:56] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: nah
[16:56] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: just don't go into them
[16:56] <apachelogger> they shouldn't create much output while idle
[16:57] <apachelogger> but as soon as you switch into an application a wall of spew appears :P
[16:58] <Whiskey`Wonka> hmmm
[16:58] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so should i have muon updater running already? cause launching it spews
[16:59] <Taduro> apachelogger: I have to reboot? because i get the same
[16:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> but i only get 1 shot at trying for the password, after it, it doesnt give the error, it just doesnt do anything
[16:59] <apachelogger> Taduro: new log please
[17:00] <apachelogger> (I am just guessing here :P)
[17:00] <apachelogger> Taduro: oh, actually ... run `echo "DisableAll=false" >> ~/.kde/share/config/kdebugrc` and try to log in again
[17:01] <apachelogger> that should create a more verbose log
[17:01] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: oh, so you get a password dialog?
[17:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> no
[17:01] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: update can be running already
[17:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> when i press 'install updates' it churns for a sec thn goes directly to the error
[17:01] <apachelogger> authorization is requested on-demand
[17:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok
[17:02] <Whiskey`Wonka> and once i do THAT, it doesnt error till i restart updater
[17:03] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: huh
[17:03] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: if you start updater, then the monitors, and then try to install the updates it doesn't error at all?
[17:03] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes
[17:03] <Taduro> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525638/
[17:07] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://pastebin.com/6QYV2Jct
[17:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://pastebin.com/Mr0HKzyg
[17:08] <apachelogger> Taduro: all those errors from psi do not make me very confident
[17:08] <Whiskey`Wonka> thats dbus-monitor and --system respectivly
[17:08] <apachelogger> Taduro: have you manually put psi and quassel on autostart?
[17:08] <Taduro> hmmm, manually I don't remember but they start automatically always, apachelogger .
[17:09] <apachelogger> Taduro: check ~/.config/autostart ~/.kde/share/autostart
[17:09] <apachelogger> Taduro: if there's stuff in there move it out and try a log in again
[17:10] <Taduro> ok apachelogger
[17:11] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: yeah, no viable information
[17:11] <Whiskey`Wonka> seams to be the story of the day
[17:13] <apachelogger> it's just really bad stuff to debug as the entire process so utterly opaque it makes you wanna cry
[17:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes it is
[17:14] <Taduro> apachelogger: I think I have to reboot because now I get the same I thing? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525683/
[17:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> i do networking tech support over the phone, its highly anoying
[17:14] <apachelogger> ehm
[17:15] <apachelogger> Taduro: you did all that stuff in the user with the broken plasma, right?
[17:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> im infectious!
[17:15] <apachelogger> xD
[17:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> ill hold of rebooting for a while if you have any ideas
[17:16] <Taduro> apachelogger: yes, at my home (my user is Soul but I don't use the same nick because is taken)
[17:16] <Whiskey`Wonka> its up to 4F, yay
[17:16] <apachelogger> Taduro: then that log is impossible to happen
[17:17] <Taduro> but I didn't rebooted
[17:17] <Taduro> I'm doing it in the..
[17:17] <apachelogger> you don't need to
[17:17] <Taduro> tty6
[17:17] <apachelogger> the session folder you moved prevents a previous session containing psi/quassel to be started again and if you moved all files out the autostart folders psi/quassel also should not be automatically started
[17:17] <apachelogger> makes no sense
[17:18] <apachelogger> Taduro: grep -r psi ~/.kde
[17:19] <Taduro> oooooooooo my goooood what iss thiiiiiiis
[17:19] <Taduro> lol
[17:19] <Taduro> haha
[17:19] <apachelogger> lol?
[17:19] <apachelogger> Whiskey`Wonka: so... you could try to find someone in #kde-devel who knows a thing or two about polkit to help you debug this, but short of that I'd simply reboot
[17:20] <apachelogger> it certainly would help a bunch if we could find a way to trigger the issue reliably, but so far that wasn't the case :S
[17:21] <Taduro> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525708/
[17:21] <Taduro> I think the problem is not with psi :S
[17:21] <apachelogger> :O
[17:22] <apachelogger> Taduro: if you get the black screen and hit alt-f2 does an input field appear?
[17:22] <apachelogger> although that would be odd
[17:22] <Taduro> no
[17:22] <Taduro> because
[17:22] <Taduro> I can't log in
[17:22] <Taduro> the black screen appears when kde is starting
[17:22] <apachelogger> right
[17:22] <Taduro> do you know when the HDD image appears?
[17:22] <apachelogger> but you don't get thrown back to the logion screen, right?
[17:22] <Taduro> nope
[17:23] <Taduro> it's like
[17:23] <apachelogger> ok, so try hitting alt-f2 on that black screen :P
[17:24] <Taduro> apachelogger: bnitg
[17:24] <Taduro> bnothung
[17:24] <Taduro> nothing*
[17:24] <apachelogger> brrr
[17:24] <apachelogger> Taduro: mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~
[17:28] <Linusnewb> i haven't anything find about a renamed service as networking or networkmanager :(
[17:28] <apachelogger> ?
[17:38] <Denc> hello, i run into problems with transsmison and in my case transsmision wont download torrents, have anyone any idea what can i do wrong?
[17:40] <hackndoes> Hi guys
[17:41] <Guest80451> how do I prevent nouveau from loading? I added a blacklist file with 'blacklist nouveau' and 'options nouveau modset=0' but it doesn't help
[17:42] <Guest80451> for some reason it's still loaded
[17:43] <Guest80451> Guest80451 is me
[17:44] <Guest80451> do I also need to un install the nouveau driver from the system?
[17:44] <Guest80451> I wan't to install the official nvidia driver from nvidia site
[17:49] <dougl> hackndoes_, nvidia?
[17:49] <Taduro> apachelogger: I rebooted and nothing, it has no sense.... I'll try to do a backup and then reinstall..
[17:50] <dougl> hackndoes_, I don't think you need to go to all that trouble... do the existing drivers work? do you have  a gui?
[17:51] <hackndoes_> dougl: yes nvidia
[17:52] <hackndoes_> dougl: I don't like the nouveau
[17:52] <hackndoes_> it's too slow
[17:53] <apachelogger> Taduro: reinstall sounds like too much... something in your users $HOME is creating the issue
[17:53] <dougl> hackndoes_, but you have a gui?
[17:53] <apachelogger> Taduro: you could try mv .kde kde (i.e. resetting your kde settings)
[17:53] <hackndoes_> dougl: now I do yes
[17:54] <hackndoes_> dougl: but with nouveau
[17:54] <apachelogger> Taduro: if that does not help it already reduces the amount of places where the bad boy could be hiding... if it does work then you just need to move .kde/share/config/ files around until login starts working
[17:54] <Taduro> apachelogger: that sounds nice
[17:55] <dougl> hackndoes_, go on the k menu button and when search for "jockey-kde" and run that and it will install the drivers you want.
[17:56] <hackndoes_> noe I want the official nvidia. many users say that the offical nvidia drivers work much better for them
[17:57] <dougl> hackndoes_, apparently there is a bug where the additional drivers application wrongly reports the nvidi... jockey-kde will install the official nvidia drivers
[17:57] <hackndoes_> dougl: what?
[17:58] <dougl> someone correct me if I am wrong "jockey-kde will install the official nvidia drivers"
[17:58] <hackndoes_> dougl: I can't find a jockey-kde application in kde menu
[17:59] <hackndoes_> dougl: is jocky-kde and the additional drivers the same?
[17:59] <hackndoes_> when I ran jocky-kde it laumched the additional drivers application
[18:00] <dougl> hackndoes_, I was saying after you use the jockey-kde (additional drivers) the nvidia official drivers will be installed and used but the application "jockey-kde" that I told you to "SEARCH" for will find additional drivers and when you run that the second time it will say the official drivers are installed but not in use...
[18:01] <dougl> that is a bug... you know nvidia drivers are being used because when you boot and kde starts you briefly see the official nvidia splash screen.
[18:01] <hackndoes_> dougl:  but the official nvidia driver is a more advanced version
[18:01] <hackndoes_> so I can't disable the nouveau from loading?
[18:01] <dougl> sure - I use them too. and installed them as per the instruction I just gave you.
[18:02] <hackndoes_> so you didn't install the NVIDIA.run file from the official site?
[18:04] <dougl> no, I used jockey-kde which finds additional drivers app and that plays nicer with kubuntu... honest I did it 4 times since oct 28...
[18:04] <dougl> I have a video of my machine booting and shutting down - wanna see it?
[18:05] <dougl> should be able to make out the nvidia splash... poor quality but I wanted to catch grub and plymouth splash screens too.
[18:05] <hackndoes_> dougl: I know what the nvidia spalsh look like.
[18:05] <Taduro> apachelogger: Please, don't forget me If i keep with this issue haha
[18:06] <hackndoes_> just wanted to install the official latest from the site, people say that it works much better for them
[18:06] <dougl> lol - I knew you would... my point is that proves nvidia drivers are loaded and being used
[18:06] <hackndoes_> so I wanted to try
[18:06] <hackndoes_> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh :)
[18:06] <hackndoes_> well I will install from repo now. you say it will load nvidia? so in lsmod | grep nvidia I will see it?
[18:06] <dougl> jockey-kde will download the latest stable
[18:07] <dougl> yes
[18:07] <dougl> lsmod
[18:07] <hackndoes_> dougl: well I am restarting wish me luck
[18:07] <Taduro> apachelogger: it worked!!!!!1 marry me!!
[18:08] <dougl> true love !!! right on!
[18:09] <dougl> linux love
[18:09] <apachelogger> Taduro: groovy
[18:10] <dougl> So... does jockey-kde get the latest drivers or am I mistaken?
[18:11] <18WAE89NC> dougl: I think you are mistaken
[18:12] <18WAE89NC> I think it just brings the version it manages for each distro (304 is always there and another newer one which you choose if you want
[18:12] <dougl> 319 I tho
[18:12] <dougl> t
[18:12] <18WAE89NC> dougl: currently it's 319.60
[18:12] <dougl> sec checking mine
[18:13] <18WAE89NC> dougl: anyway it didn't succeed, after install I still have the nouveau loaded!!!! it drives me crazy it used to work perfactly
[18:13] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, sec...
[18:13] <18WAE89NC> dougl: it's me hackndoes
[18:14] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, figered... but yes what I described to you I did on mine and version 319.32 was installed
[18:15] <dougl> and that is what you want right 319.32?
[18:15] <18WAE89NC> dougl: you have two 319 versions the 32 and the 60
[18:15] <dougl> sec I will check
[18:15] <18WAE89NC> I want 331 which is on the site but I would sattle for the 60 or 32 but that doesn't work as well
[18:15] <18WAE89NC> for some reason it doens't get loaded.
[18:15] <18WAE89NC> should I uninstall the nouveau?
[18:16] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, still checking - what video card do you have?
[18:16] <18WAE89NC> it's a lapto it's the nvidia nvs-4200 or something like that
[18:16] <18WAE89NC> lemme check exactly
[18:17] <18WAE89NC> dougl: GF119M NVS 4200M
[18:17] <18WAE89NC> but it used to work before. now it just keeps the nouveau there
[18:17] <dougl> and no jockey-kde only installed 319.32 on my end
[18:18] <18WAE89NC> dougl: well what am I to do? should I remove the nouveau?
[18:18] <dougl> no you should not have to un install the nouveau drivers jockey-kde will config the nvidia drivers to load...
[18:19] <18WAE89NC> well it doesn't
[18:19] <dougl> when you ran the additional drivers did it ask you for a password and everything?
[18:19] <18WAE89NC> yes
[18:19] <18WAE89NC> and finished successfully and required restart so I restarted.
[18:20] <18WAE89NC> something doens't let it boot with the nvidia driver
[18:20] <18WAE89NC> it used to work before
[18:20] <dougl> what doe additional drivers say now?
[18:25] <18WAE89NC> dougl: it says it's activated but not currently in use
[18:25] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, when you run "nvidia-settings" from a command line in a window do you get the propietary nvidia config app window
[18:25] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, but did you see the nvidia splash or verify - is saying it is not activated is a bug
[18:26] <18WAE89NC> I don't see it and in lsmod I see the nouveau
[18:26] <dougl> nvidia-settings is where you can see it say what driver is being used... please run nvidia-settings
[18:26] <18WAE89NC> the propriatary nvidia config opens but it thrown an error on open and opens a very limitted window
[18:27] <18WAE89NC> it says this, You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[18:27] <dougl> ok... back in additional drivers select 319 drivers and select activate
[18:27] <18WAE89NC> dougl: but it's activated
[18:28] <18WAE89NC> it's green and activated, just saying it's not currently in use
[18:29] <dougl> yeah - mine says that and when I asked about it they said it was a bug and to ignore it.
[18:30] <Bundestrojaner> is it possible to install 2 versions of a programm parallel on Kubuntu?
[18:31] <dougl> Bundestrojaner, easy answer no... if you compile your own yes
[18:32] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, I don't understand... does that notebook have 2 video cards...?
[18:32] <Bundestrojaner> and is it possible to ignoring dependencies?
[18:32] <Bundestrojaner> ignore
[18:32] <dougl> Bundestrojaner, investigate force option
[18:33] <Bundestrojaner> thx
[18:33] <18WAE89NC> yes
[18:33] <18WAE89NC> it has intel and nvidia
[18:33] <dougl> Bundestrojaner, if you do what I suggest there is a good chance you will break your system
[18:34] <dougl> the intel is messing things up
[18:35] <dougl> I knew it... I had one like that a few years back acer-asus I dunno/rememmber and I think I disabled the intel in the bios and never looked b ack
[18:36] <dougl> 18WAE89NC, can you bios disable the intel?
[18:38] <Bundestrojaner> dougl: i want to install a wine 1.5 which includes usb-acces.
[18:38] <Bundestrojaner> But i get the stupid error: "Depends on: wine, but can't be installed
[18:39] <Bundestrojaner> (translated from german, maybe not exactly)
[18:39] <dougl> !ge
[18:40] <18WAE89NC> dougl: well it's optimus and it's disabled
[18:40] <18WAE89NC> dougl: only the nvidia is active in bios
[18:40] <dougl> 18WAE89NC,  lets do jockey-kde again and see what happens.
[18:41] <18WAE89NC> dougl: what am i supposed to do with it?
[18:41] <18WAE89NC> dougl: switch to another driver?
[18:42] <dougl> sure...
[18:42] <18WAE89NC> OK I will try another one
[18:42] <dougl> any nvidia driver should work... that is not an exceptionally new card
[18:43] <dougl> acer or asus notebook?
[18:43] <18WAE89NC> it used to work before
[18:43] <18WAE89NC> dell latitude
[18:43] <dougl> hmm
[18:43] <18WAE89NC> I am trying to reboot now. will return with results....
[18:45] <dougl> :)
[18:52] <dougl> Crap 18WAE89NC is not coming back... I hope I did not get him to nuke his box
[18:53]  * genii makes more coffee
[18:53]  * dougl just refilled
[18:54] <linuxer1995> test
[18:54] <dougl> pass test
[20:50] <Walzmyn> when I boot up, my login screen in on my second monitor (which is not always on) How can I force it to the primary monitor?
[20:51] <Walzmyn> Or make it clone on both monitors at the least.
[22:09] <arthurfiggis> Walzmyn: not very helpful i know, but i've been trying to figure out the same thing :) i have a monitor hooked up via dvi and a tv hooked up via hdmi...every linux distro i've tried defaults to the hdmi tv, which is rather inconvenient :( if i can figure it out on my own i'll mention the solution here, but if anyone else knows... ^^


[02:37] <excalibr> !help
[02:37] <lubotu2`> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply.


[08:28] <kalif> would anybody know where to look for ubuntu-specific info on kickstart?
[02:03] <linnuxxy> i have massed with some configuration files in the /etc/X11/  ... and i forgote to backup it first... how can i restore the default?
[02:06] <yogurtthewise> linnuxxy: this is not an ubuntu server development question, not even a server one, so please direct it to #ubuntu
[02:07] <yogurtthewise> linnuxxy: OTOH, apt-get install --reinstall will fix it
[02:07] <yogurtthewise> or just unpacka the deb
[02:07] <yogurtthewise> oh well


[01:27] <endless1239> hello all
[01:27] <endless1239> Question
[01:27] <endless1239> I am interesting in becoming doing kubuntu packaging, which guide would be best to read pertaining that
[02:57] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me how to checkout/fetch a project using its git URL inside Kdevelop4?
[07:26] <pkt> I noticed that in ubiquity kde frontend some strings are not translatable
[07:26] <pkt> e.g., in PartAuto.py
[07:27] <pkt> I think I can fix those, but I need some guidance in what to do with the ones in .ui files
[07:27] <pkt> how are the strings in .ui files in ubiquity becoming translatable?
[08:51] <Riddell> pkt: I think there's a route that goes over all the strings and translates them
[08:52] <pkt> Riddell: there is "debconf updatepo" if you mean this
[08:53] <pkt> but I 'm asking something different. How do strings in .ui files become translatable
[08:53] <pkt> in python code I see get_string() used
[08:53] <pkt> but in the .ui files what is the equivalent?
[08:54] <Riddell> should be in translate_pages() and translate_widgets() in kde_ui.py
[08:55] <Riddell> text = self.get_string(name, lang, prefix)
[08:55] <Riddell> "name" is the widgetName which matches the name of the string needed in debconf
[08:55] <Riddell> but there's a bunch of special cases there for various widgets which don't do that
[08:56] <pkt> hmm I see, maybe this is the problem then
[08:56] <pkt> at least this gives me a starting point :)
[10:45] <apachelogger> !find media9.sty
[11:05] <pkt> ok so it seems that one case the reason for untranslatable strings is that get_string() needs to be defined
[11:05] <pkt> (ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartAuto.py)
[11:05] <pkt> and in others it is just missing debconf templates
[11:05] <Riddell> does it not work at all there?
[11:05] <pkt> yes, pyflakes says it is undefined
[11:06] <pkt> when I copy&pasted the implementation it works
[11:06] <pkt> (I mean when I copied the implementation of get_string() to this file it works)
[11:06] <Riddell> surely it would cause a bracktrace if it was undefined
[11:06] <pkt> it wasn't being ran
[11:06] <pkt> for this reason
[11:06] <pkt> it was commented out
[11:06] <Riddell> mm
[11:07] <pkt> thus the strings stayed untranslatable
[11:07] <pkt> you can check yourself in ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartAuto.py
[11:07] <pkt> the versions with get_string() are commented out and have a TODO on top
[11:08] <pkt> these are 2 of the 5 untranslatable strings
[11:08] <pkt> the other 3 were just missing templates I think
[11:08] <pkt> I will test it in a few minutes
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:30] <Riddell> hi
[11:30] <shadeslayer> hi Riddell
[11:30] <shadeslayer> and everyone
[11:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: feeling better?
[11:37] <shadeslayer> a bit, my eyes still hurt from looking at the screen :P
[11:38]  * shadeslayer wil most likely be back to work till tomorrow
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ok guys , can you settle a small debate , ...is kde 4.9.1 in the regular repos now  or does it still require the backports?
[11:47] <shadeslayer> still requires backports for Precise
[11:47] <shadeslayer> It will never make it into the archives because we only release bug fix updates for precise
[11:49] <konqui> shadeslayer: Can you look at my problem in 12.10 while shutting down that I mentioned in #kubuntu, against which package should I report that bug?
[11:49] <konqui> When sutting down from menu , the screen gets blurred, if I click somewhere the blur vanishes and I can use the system as if no shutdown was done, however if I press enter while the screen is blurred it shutsdown.
[11:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:55] <shadeslayer> konqui: I believe that the shutdown dialog is not shown
[11:56] <shadeslayer> are you using some 3rd party plasma theme?
[11:56] <konqui> shadeslayer: No I'm using air of course
[11:57] <shadeslayer> konqui: this should appear ideally ( different theme ) : http://i.imgur.com/FZo95.png
[11:57] <shadeslayer> can you check if kde-workspace is installed?
[11:59] <konqui> shadeslayer: Its installed, I got the dialogue on 4.9.1 on precise. I installed quantal beta 2, all updates and only vlc, google-chrome and aptitude installed.
[11:59] <shadeslayer> that's ... odd
[12:02] <konqui> And also, I have customised lightdm and changed its background in system settings if that could be related
[12:02] <shadeslayer> konqui: can you logout, switch to a tty, mv .kde .kde_bak , login and try shutting down
[12:03] <shadeslayer> ( the mighty google suggests it might be a config issue )
[12:03] <konqui> Hmm I'll try
[12:05] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1058058] webkit ftbfs on armel and armhf @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1058058 (by Matthias Klose)
[12:08] <shadeslayer> hmm ... who's coming to UDS from the US?
[12:09] <konqui> shadeslayer: Same issue
[12:10] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[12:10] <konqui> But I just noticed that I see the dialog if desktop effects are turned off
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ohh
[12:12] <konqui> Now tried with desktop effects on and logout effect off and it works. Strange as it worked on 12.04 with 4.9.1
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Martin might have a idea
[12:13] <shadeslayer> but he's not around
[12:15] <shadeslayer> konqui: #kwin would be the best place since it's a kwin component
[12:15] <shadeslayer> s/component/issue
[12:18] <shadeslayer> bbl
[14:03] <int_ua> What's the debug package for /usr/bin/plasma-desktop ?  I have it crashed but cannot find the debug package. I'm using Kubuntu Backports PPA
[14:04] <tsimpson> int_ua: should be kde-workspace-dbg
[14:06] <int_ua> tsimpson: Thanks, looks like the right one. 870 Mb... =(
[14:09] <tsimpson> yeah, it's more than just the plasma debugging stuff
[14:20] <shadeslayer> most likely pulls in qt dbg and what not
[14:21] <int_ua> yeah, it is
[14:22] <tsimpson> it may be >800MB, but just think of those lovely full stack traces! :)
[14:23] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:23] <shadeslayer> In the end, it's going to be worth ut
[14:23] <shadeslayer> *it
[14:24] <int_ua> let's hope so :)
[14:25] <int_ua> BTW, it's reproducible. If anyone has xchat, try minimizing it to tray multiple time really fast
[14:25] <int_ua> s/time/times/
[14:25] <kubotu> int_ua meant: "BTW, it's reproducible. If anyone has xchat, try minimizing it to tray multiple times really fast"
[14:28] <int_ua> xchat and Kubuntu Backport PPA anyone?
[14:30] <shadeslayer> do I *have* to install xchat :(
[14:31] <int_ua> tsimpson, shadeslayer: Nope, /usr/bin/plasma-desktop still don't have the debug symbols
[14:31] <int_ua> but a lot of other libs disappeared from the list
[14:32] <int_ua> oh, and the second one is /usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_menubar.so
[14:32] <int_ua> so I guess we'll need xchat + menubar + Backports
[14:34] <tsimpson> I don't think there are any debugging symbols for plasma-widget-menubar
[14:36]  * int_ua is sad
[14:36] <int_ua> So what should I do, tsimpson?
[14:38] <tsimpson> get the best trace you can for now I suppose
[14:38] <tsimpson> either that, or grab the source and compile yourself, without stripping
[14:39] <shadeslayer> int_ua: should I be minimizing to the systray?
[14:39] <micahg> there are debugging symbols for that, you need the ddebs.u.c repository
[14:39] <tsimpson> micahg: doesn't work with PPAs
[14:39] <micahg> ah, yeah, right
[14:40] <shadeslayer> works just fine on Neon btw
[14:40] <int_ua> yes, to the systray, clicking on the icon in the systray
[14:40] <int_ua> Neon?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> yeah, working fine
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Project Neon :)
[14:40] <tsimpson> !neon
[14:40] <shadeslayer> :D
[14:40] <shadeslayer> We're so awesome we now have a factoid? Cool!
[14:40] <int_ua> How unstable is it?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> int_ua: it's basically packages from git
[14:41] <shadeslayer> installed to /opt/project-neon
[14:41] <shadeslayer> see the link :)
[14:41] <int_ua> so it's like nitroglycerine
[14:41] <shadeslayer> prettymuch
[14:42] <tsimpson> dangerous, sure. but so much FUN to play with!
[14:42] <int_ua> ok, trying to report with current backtrace
[14:42] <shadeslayer> actually, tbh, I've never had a crash with Neon
[14:42] <shadeslayer> unless I screwed my code :P
[14:43] <int_ua> =D
[14:45] <int_ua> I have to leave, is this channel logged?
[14:45] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:45] <shadeslayer> !logs
[14:46] <int_ua> thanks again
[15:22] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1053166] 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu1 ftbfs on armel/armhf @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1053166 (by Matthias Klose)
[17:07] <yofel_> tsimpson: plasma-widget-menubar has debugging symbols in plasma-widget-menubar-dbgsym - read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[17:13] <ScottK> !ninjas | 4.9.2 tarballs available.
[17:17] <Riddell> golly
[17:39] <Quintasan> quite
[17:39] <bulldog98_> anything done for 4.9.2?
[17:40] <Quintasan> I just got back home from uni stuff
[17:40] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Feel free to take something. I'll make a tea and start something too
[17:43] <yofel_> do we have a known working version of the upload scripts?
[17:44] <Quintasan> Did we ever have upload scripts?
[17:44]  * Quintasan never seen them
[17:44] <yofel_> you weren't around for a while ^^
[17:44] <Riddell> search debfx's kubuntu-automation
[17:44] <debfx> if it's not working it is certainly fixable
[17:45] <yofel_> debfx: the packages dropped kde-sc-dev-latest, so the deps need to be bumped individually
[17:45] <yofel_> I've got some script snippets somewhere that I used for the rebuild, give me a minute
[17:46] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.9.2? has that even been tagged yet?
[17:46] <yofel_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~yofel/+junk/rebuildstuff/files
[17:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-release-team&m=134885176923212&w=2
[17:48] <shadeslayer> wait what
[17:48] <yofel_> is kde-packagers now officially deprecated? I only saw it as I'm on the release-team ML as well
[17:48] <shadeslayer> why was that not released to kde-packagers?
[17:48] <yofel_> and ignore it most of the time
[17:48] <Riddell> I guess the new guy who posted that doesn't even know about kde-packagers
[17:49] <yofel_> shadeslayer: upstream has the opinion that packagers are part of the release team, so should read their ML as well it seems
[17:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[17:49] <shadeslayer> that's one more ML I get to subscribe to, yay
[17:49] <yofel_> what Riddell said probably too, new name to me at least
[17:49] <shadeslayer> well .. I've worked with Torgny before
[17:50] <shadeslayer> he setup build.kde.org to use my old laptop as a build save
[17:50] <yofel_> hehe
[17:50] <shadeslayer> unfourtunately, it died
[17:51] <debfx> yofel_: so we need a hardcoded list of build-deps to bump? :/
[17:52] <yofel_> debfx: well, it's the list that kde-sc-dev-latest had - i.e. the former yellow packages on our wiki. If you've got a better idea I'm open for suggestions
[17:52]  * shadeslayer waves fist at KNotify
[17:52] <yofel_> I couldn't think of anything else that wouldn't produce false-positives
[17:53] <yofel> which reminds me..
[17:53] <debfx> yofel_: right, having to keep these in sync is what I don't like
[17:53] <bulldog98> btw how to get that kubuntu-automation working?
[17:53] <yofel> I think we need to review the build-deps and check whether all actually have a versioned build-dep right now
[17:53] <yofel> some packages just relied on kde-sc-dev-latest I believe
[17:55] <debfx> yeah, that's what it's for
[17:55] <Riddell> I should have added versioned build-dep wherever kde-sc-dev-latest was used
[17:55] <debfx> bulldog98: it's still a bit experimental, lack of documentation is one issue
[17:57] <yofel> I think you missed some things like libksane or so in some cases. Not sure, I just took a quick look at the control files when I was writing my rebuild script
[17:57] <yofel> although, those have good ABI management so shouldn't even break
[17:59] <debfx> what I'm worried about is stuff like #ifdef VERSION >= XZ
[17:59] <yofel> good point
[18:01] <bulldog98> where is our packaging gone?
[18:01] <bulldog98> I can’t find kde4libs bzr branch
[18:01] <yofel> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ ?
[18:02] <Riddell> it's called kdelibs
[18:02] <yofel> and use kbzr
[18:02] <bulldog98> ah right to long that I haven’t build a package
[18:03] <Riddell> but it's best to do it en-masse
[18:03] <bulldog98> do we have a new automation for that?
[18:03] <Riddell> throw them all into the ninjas PPA and wait for it to compile and use debfx's script to parse the output
[18:03] <Riddell> that's what some part of kubuntu-automation did I think
[18:03] <bulldog98> Riddell: hm kgetsource isn’t working anymore and I don’t know why
[18:04] <bulldog98> Riddell: link to the script please
[18:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer did the 4.9.1 update so he should know all about it :)
[18:04] <Riddell> debfx's stuff is in https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[18:05] <yofel> anyone who does use the script please put some documentation on the ninja pad
[18:05] <Riddell> http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
[18:05] <yofel> debfx: did you fix the version parsing?
[18:05] <debfx> yofel: I think so, testing right now
[18:06] <yofel> bulldog98: please wait until he's done ^
[18:06] <shadeslayer> hm?
[18:06] <shadeslayer> I did the backport update
[18:09] <debfx> grrr
[18:09] <debfx> all the branches still have UNRELEASED in the changelog
[18:09] <debfx> apachelogger: ^
[18:10] <bulldog98> debfx: run sed over it?
[18:10] <yofel> he'll still have to checkout all ~100 of them...
[18:10] <yofel> and if that wasn't enough, kdegames will add ~40
[18:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:12] <shadeslayer> and I do believe that there's a high chance that some entries might not have been released
[18:12] <shadeslayer> so you'll have to be carefull with the sed
[18:12] <yofel> just limit sed to the first line
[18:12] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:13] <bulldog98> btw why do I get Permission denied (publickey) after running python kdesc-package-names 4.9.2
[18:13] <bulldog98> I mean I can ssh into that maschine
[18:14] <ScottK> probably wrong username then.
[18:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/NXOGi.jpg
[18:14] <debfx> of course the date in the changelog is wrong too ...
[18:14] <shadeslayer> lawl
[18:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: wannahave :D
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://theprofoundprogrammer.com/store
[18:15] <bulldog98> ScottK: it’s sftp
[18:15] <yofel> debfx: I personally am not particulary happy with the dch behaviour in quantal :(
[18:15] <ScottK> Still need the right username.
[18:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: only 10 USD xD
[18:15] <shadeslayer> plus 5 USD shipping I guess
[18:16] <debfx> yofel: has it changed?
[18:16] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: runtime error is also good
[18:16] <debfx> updating the date before uploading a package seems useful to me
[18:16] <yofel> debfx: simple 'dch' does not edit the date, you need to run 'dch -r' to "finalize" an entry which will update the date
[18:16] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: my favorite one is http://i.imgur.com/NYKQ8.jpg
[18:17]  * yofel NEVER uses -r
[18:17] <bulldog98> hm ScottK how does debfx has to change that line subprocess.Popen(["sftp", "-b", "-", "ftpmaster.kde.org:/home/ftpubuntu/%s/%s/src/" % (stability, version)], stdin=subprocess.PIPE, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
[18:17] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: good one
[18:17] <yofel> bulldog98: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster ?
[18:18] <yofel> or you'll need to set it in .ssh/config
[18:18] <shadeslayer> hah
[18:18] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: set your username in ~/.ssh/config
[18:18] <shadeslayer> something like : Host bazaar.launchpad.net
[18:18] <shadeslayer>     User rohangarg
[18:18] <debfx> ah yes I have all my usernames configured in the ssh config
[18:18] <ScottK> bulldog98: What they said.
[18:19] <bulldog98> debfx: please change that so nobody has to make configs^
[18:19] <bulldog98> ScottK: hm ok
[18:19] <shadeslayer> uh ... why?
[18:19] <debfx> sooo, anyone feels like syncing our branches with the archive? :)
[18:19] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm or at least document it :P
[18:20] <shadeslayer> debfx: grunt work :(
[18:20] <yofel> debfx: guess I could script something
[18:20] <ScottK> bulldog98: fix it in your .ssh/config.  It'll save you grief later.
[18:20] <bulldog98> ScottK: done
[18:20] <shadeslayer> or well ... something like pull-lp-source foobar; cp -aR foobar-4.9.1/debian foobar/
[18:21] <shadeslayer> bzr commit and bzr push :P
[18:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: I won't mind if you want to do it ;P
[18:22] <yofel> aand don't forget to tag
[18:22] <debfx> yeah except for packages where there are additional changes staged in the branch
[18:22] <shadeslayer> debfx: that's what I'm concerned about
[18:22] <yofel> -.-
[18:22] <yofel> true
[18:22] <shadeslayer> are there any changes staged?
[18:22] <debfx> I don't know
[18:22] <ScottK> You'll need to look at the diffs
[18:22] <shadeslayer> blergh
[18:23] <debfx> would be good to parse bzr status to make sure only the changelog is different
[18:24] <bulldog98> debfx: I have added a README for kubuntu-automation get it from lp:~bulldog98/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[18:24] <yofel> could we maybe just make kubuntu-automation be owned by kubuntu-packagers?
[18:24] <bulldog98> or that
[18:47] <bulldog98> debfx: you changed the arguments of ['pull-ninjas-source', '-d', 'analitza', 'quantal'] it should be the other way around
[18:49] <debfx> why is that?
[18:51] <debfx> ah, the version in kubuntu-dev-tools doesn't support -d yet?
[18:52] <bulldog98> sorry the -d is obsolete, cause it tells me: Usage: pull-ninjas-source <package name> <release name>
[18:52] <bulldog98> debfx: yep
[18:53] <debfx> bulldog98: ok, should be fixed now in dev-tools
[18:54] <bulldog98> hm also the tool complains if a path already exists like upload
[19:03] <tsimpson> yofel: -dbgsym isn't generated for PPAs
[19:05] <yofel> tsimpson: plasma-widget-menubar isn't in any of our PPA's
[19:06] <yofel> so unless he uses a widget from somewhere else, he uses the archive package
[19:06] <tsimpson> hmm, so you're right
[19:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: how many partitions have you tried to add for testing #1038522 ?
[19:18] <bulldog98> s/#/bug #/
[19:18] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "Riddell: how many partitions have you tried to add for testing bug #1038522 ?"
[19:55] <Riddell> bulldog98: not enough I guess
[19:55] <bulldog98> hm for me it crashes with around 10 partitions
[19:56] <Riddell> yeah that's about what the bug reports say
[20:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: maybe you should free about 10G and create there partitions o mass
[20:06] <bulldog98> :P
[20:29] <genii-around> I'm getting an odd thing with the task manager since yesterday. The left-most item on the tray will suddenly be overlaid onto the right-most item. The spot the left item used to occupy is blan but the same width as if it was still there. I was trying to get a screenshot but of course when I open ksnapshot for instance, they all rearrange on the bar again.
[20:36] <yofel> genii-around: I was getting that since like KDE 4.6 - I think there's even a bug for it somewhere. Today I use the icon only taskmanager
[20:39] <yofel> genii-around: kde bug 302905 at least, possibly others
[20:39] <genii-around> Ah,OK
[20:40] <yofel> genii-around: mine is kde bug 290598
[20:41] <genii-around> Guess I'll switch to the icon-only taskmanager too then.
[21:34] <zahig> I've been having an issue with the netbook interface on Kubuntu 12.10.  Plasma Netbook crashes when I try to switch from Search and Launch to Page one.
[21:34] <zahig> Has anyone seen something similar?
[21:35] <shadeslayer> if you have a backtrace, please report it on bugs.kde.org
[21:35] <shadeslayer> if not, get one
[21:45] <zahig> I've failed to get a backtrace.  I'll try again to see if I can get it to fail with an error.
[21:47] <shadeslayer> you most likely need the debug symbols :)
[21:56] <zahig> Which packages do I need for the debug symbols?
[22:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ping
[22:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: tired pong
[22:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You've got an NVidia card?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I have another laptop that has one
[22:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: quantal on it?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> but not on my work machine
[22:21] <shadeslayer> nah, Windows 7
[22:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:21] <Quintasan> ...
[22:21] <Quintasan> christ
[22:21] <Quintasan> can't boot into x with nvidia driver
[22:21] <Quintasan> nouveau is known to be broken and I can't reinstall straight to quantal
[22:21] <Quintasan> !#!%@!
[22:22]  * Quintasan goes back to trying
[22:22] <shadeslayer> well .. uh ... dual graphics?
[22:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: use Precise
[22:25] <shadeslayer> quantal and X is horrible shit for me as well
[22:25] <shadeslayer> precise is buttery smooth
[22:33]  * yofel has quantal + nvidia running just fine
[22:34] <yofel> Quintasan: what's broken in nouveau this time?
[22:34] <Quintasan> yofel: Dunno, refuses to go to lightdm
[22:34] <Quintasan> whines something about buffers
[22:34] <Quintasan> should work on my gfx card
[22:34] <Quintasan> but it doesnt
[22:34] <Quintasan> :P
[22:35] <yofel> great -.-
[22:35] <yofel> tried nomodeset?
[23:02] <zahig> My plasma netbook crash now reported to bugs.kde.org per shadeslayer's request. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307553


[00:02] <ogra_> thesummer, the platform api is still not 100% there yet
[00:02] <ogra_> but you will have a very abstract layer to access sensors and the rest of the HW
[00:03] <thesummer> i see
[00:03] <thesummer> i gues taking look won't hurt
[00:03] <thesummer> *guess
[00:03] <thesummer> thx
[00:04] <ogra_> yeah
[00:04] <ogra_> there is already a bunch of stuff but its far from complete
[00:06] <cjaredrun> so lets say i didnt write down my nexus 4 build number... and need to restore?
[00:06] <ogra_> isnt it on the box ?
[00:07] <cjaredrun> ah found a list with the latest
[01:13] <rufusmi> hello!
[01:14] <rufusmi> does anyone know how ubuntu touch performs on a verizon gnex?
[02:05] <iwan_07> hai
[02:05] <iwan_07> someone online please??
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[08:05] <mbaumi> hello :)
[08:06] <mbaumi> any dev here who can fluently code in qml?
[08:06] <mbaumi> and html5
[09:14] <janimo> dholbach, morning, did last weeks SDK/QML sessions have text written up along with the videos?
[09:15] <IReboot> janimo: There are the IRC logs on line but other than that I do not think so.
[09:15] <dholbach> janimo, there was ... yes, what IReboot said
[09:16] <janimo> IReboot, irclogs are good if they cover the session :)
[09:16] <janimo> for past Ubuntu dev weeks I found it easy to catch up by just reading the IRC discussion in a few minutes, with video it is a bit more time consuming
[09:16] <IReboot> Wow a right answer and I have not even had a coffee yet :)
[09:17] <dholbach> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/14/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/15/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html
[09:18] <janimo> dholbach, thanks ! :)
[13:37] <mhall119> popey: did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-calculator-app/tear-off-formula ?
[13:38] <popey> yeah, but can't see how to "tear off"
[13:40] <mhall119> drag it up, about half-way
[13:40] <popey> tried that..
[13:40] <popey> hmm
[13:41] <popey> oh, got it
[13:41] <mhall119> popey: do you have a calculation in the last formula row?
[13:41] <popey> bit finneky on a laptop with touchpoint
[13:41] <popey> nice!
[13:42] <mhall119> popey: yeah, for some reason you have to give the formula view focus first, then click and drag, I'm not sure why that is
[13:42] <mhall119> popey: but scrolling the other direction doesn't move the numpad anymore, which isn't what the design called for
[13:43] <mhall119> so it's not a finished solution
[13:43] <mhall119> but it's the start of one
[13:43] <mhall119> I'm hoping Dalius and crew can run with it from here
[13:43] <popey> much appreciated, thanks
[13:45] <popey> mhall119: am on a call at the moment, but need to have a chat about bug 1155277
[13:57] <tvoss> seb128, ping
[13:57] <seb128> tvoss, hey
[13:57] <tvoss> seb128, hey :) you had a session on settings during vUDS, right? can you point me to the blueprint?
[13:58] <seb128> tvoss, no, we didn't have one
[13:59] <tvoss> seb128, ah, I thought that was scheduled? But wasn't there a blueprint on that topic?
[13:59] <seb128> tvoss, I can't find one on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-1303
[13:59] <seb128> it doesn't ring a bell
[13:59] <tvoss> seb128, ack
[14:00] <seb128> I think we said that's a topic we need to discuss at some point
[14:00] <seb128> but we were not really ready for it
[14:00] <seb128> lool, ^ do you know?
[14:03] <lool> sorry which topic
[14:03] <lool> ah settings
[14:04] <lool> seb128, tvoss: No, this wasn't discussed as a standalone topic; I remember it came up indirectly via chewie / network state
[14:05] <lool> seb128, tvoss: it would be nice to get this started though; I guess the settings framework would be one, then system settings implementation backend and finally system settings app
[14:05] <seb128> right
[14:05] <lool> this was also brought up as part of app containment, APIs and as part of the systemd discussions
[14:05] <seb128> I'm waiting for a summary of what happened last week in London
[14:05] <seb128> the indicator guys were there and they had quite some discussions
[14:09] <tvoss> seb128, lool how do we take it from here, then?
[14:12] <tvoss> seb128, lool is the usual approach to open up a blueprint for that?
[14:13] <seb128> tvoss, yes, we should probably have a blueprint and organize an hangout to get started
[14:13] <seb128> we need to figure out who are the right people to get there though
[14:14] <tvoss> seb128, I would think you have better insight into identifying the right people, but I'm happy to create a blueprint and a meeting at least
[14:15] <seb128> tvoss, ok, please register the blueprint, I will build the list of people and set the meeting up at a time that works for everyone
[14:15] <tvoss> seb128, cool, thanks
[14:16] <seb128> yw
[14:16] <tvoss> seb128, do I need to register the blueprint against Ubuntu or against a specific project?
[14:16] <awe_> tvoss, seb128, invite me please...  just sent lengthy email to aruiz and lars re: indicators & settings wrt to networking/telephony
[14:17] <lool> tvoss: Yup; we can start with a blueprint or start with a hangout
[14:17] <seb128> awe_, thanks, can you bounce me the email (I'm just trying to see what's happening there)
[14:17] <lool> if we want to invite community to participate, we should give enough notice for people to be able to attend
[14:17] <lool> I'm happy to run a hangout on air even on short notice so that at least we have a video in case folks want to catch up on the discussions
[14:18] <awe_> seb128, sure
[14:18] <awe_> done
[14:19] <seb128> awe_, thanks
[14:19] <seb128> lool, +1 for open/on air hangout
[14:21] <tvoss> seb128, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-settings-infrastructure
[14:22] <seb128> tvoss, thanks
[14:22] <MBaumi> whatsapp! :-)
[14:23] <tvoss> seb128, yw
[14:25] <MBaumi> Deutsch hier? Lest mal diesen Artikel: http://www.ubuntuhandys.de/uhr-wetter-rechner-kalender-fertig-ubuntu-phone-coreapps/
[14:25] <MBaumi> *Deutsche
[14:31] <k1l> MBaumi: deine seite?
[14:32] <MBaumi> nee, ich schreibe nur ^^
[14:33] <k1l> MBaumi: jedenfalls haben wir auch deutsche ubuntu channel #ubuntu-de und #ubuntu-de-offtopic . wobei die seite auch gut in den planten von ubuntuusers.de passen würde
[14:34] <MBaumi> planten?
[14:36] <MBaumi> will someone port ubutu touch to SGS4? Any plans?
[14:37] <k1l> *planeten
[14:37] <k1l> is the sgs4 released so far?
[14:38] <MBaumi> no, but coming later, I think in april
[14:38] <k1l> im pretty sure someone will port ubuntu onto it
[14:39] <vilde> Hi, probably this qestion has been here several times. Is there a version for nexus 7 3g (tilapia) comming?
[14:39] <MBaumi> btw, is there a ubuntu touch image working on an raspberry pi? :D
[14:40] <k1l> MBaumi: no ubuntu on the raspberrry pi due to old arm cpu
[14:40] <MBaumi> k1l wir wollen eher eine größere Menge abdecken als zu fachsimpeln... if you know what i mean :)
[14:40] <mpt> tvoss, I'm doing design for system settings, and the Systems team (ted, larsu, charles, et al) are implementing
[14:41] <vilde> I did a lot today, installed Ubuntu and after some struggle I found out that the my Nexus 7 3G version is not supported, but on the other hand I got to try Ubuntu ;)
[14:41] <k1l> MBaumi: in the german planet there is no blog that talks about the mobile ubuntu scene right now.
[14:41] <MBaumi> I know, we want to build one up.. like I told you before, www.ubuntuhandys.de ! Forum is coming soon :-)
[14:42] <MBaumi> Oh, the planet is linking to other sites?
[14:42] <ogra_> vilde, the grouper images should work ... 3G data isnt supported anyway yet and the rest of the HW is identical
[14:42] <MBaumi> then it is a nice idea!! Thank you :-)
[14:42] <ogra_> you might need to manually install
[14:44] <vilde> ok, I don't use the 3G anyway, grouper images... I shall try to find that
[14:52] <tvoss> mpt, ?
[14:53] <mpt> tvoss, !
 seb128, lool how do we take it from here, then?
[14:54] <lool> mpt: seb128 is setting up a meeting
[14:54] <mpt> yes
[14:58] <seb128> lool, tvoss: meeting set up, next monday 17utc (that seems to work for everyone who should be there)
[15:02] <tvoss> seb128, great, thank you
[15:02] <tvoss> mpt, sorry, ENOCONTEXT :) got it now :)
[15:03] <seb128> tvoss, yw
[15:04] <tvoss> mpt, added you to the meeting invite
[15:09] <mpt> Hm, the Facebook app is inviting me to get Facebook for iPhone
[15:10] <rsalveti> yup, the browser id is still from iphone I guess
[15:11] <MBaumi> anyone here with ubuntu touch on TF101?
[15:59] <dholbach> rsalveti, olá! como vai?
[16:00] <dholbach> rsalveti, do you have an example for "legal description behind the binary blobs (mostly from the original Android image)"?
[16:00] <rsalveti> dholbach: hey :-)
[16:00] <dholbach> if you do, that'd make it easier to write something up and ping the image maintainers
[16:01]  * ogra_ wonders what "mostly" means here :)
[16:01] <ogra_> do you make some binary blobs up yourself ? :)
[16:02] <rsalveti> https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers
[16:02] <dholbach> ogra_, sure - /dev/urandom is my preferred source
[16:02] <ogra_> heh
[16:02] <rsalveti> this is from the original nexus images
[16:02] <dholbach> rsalveti, hum... there's no legal bits there?
[16:02] <rsalveti> after you download the blobs, there's an extract script, which will show you the license
[16:03] <dholbach> aha
[16:03] <dholbach> thanks a bunch rsalveti
[16:03] <dholbach> I'll reach out to everyone
[16:03] <dholbach> meant to ping them all a while ago already
[16:04] <dholbach> obrigado
[16:04] <rsalveti> but this might not be the same for the community based ports, it'd actually be good to try to find the license covering the original image for the specific vendor/device
[16:04] <dholbach> yep
[16:04] <rsalveti> to see if there is anything specific to the blobs (mostly drivers) that are part of the image
[16:05] <dholbach> sure
[16:05] <dholbach> rsalveti, saw the ubuntu development guide in pt_br? :-D
[16:05] <rsalveti> all we want to check is if we're able to distribute them
[16:05] <dholbach> yep, makes sense
[16:05] <rsalveti> dholbach: not yet, but saw you posted about it, quite nice
[16:05] <dholbach> yeah, I thought so too :)
[16:06] <dholbach> anyway, I'll get to work on it
[16:19] <dholbach> sergiusens, rsalveti, I updated our wiki template (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/PortTemplate) to give them space to elaborate on which blogs are in there and which license they're under and ping them to fill it out - I'll get back to you once we have some more answers and mail the list about it as well
[16:22] <hopkinskong> ogra_ popey help, i still can't get it working on my device
[16:22] <hopkinskong> You know that i have a special device, and i need to create an root fs.
[16:23] <hopkinskong> But i have no idea what should i do by using two zips (1: built CM10.1, 2:Image from the site)
[16:23] <hopkinskong> I tried copy the "system" folder to "/", and extracted contents of "filesystem.dir" to "/"
[16:24] <ogra_> flash them in succession
[16:24] <hopkinskong> I don't have the term of "flash"
[16:24] <ogra_> boot into recovery ...
[16:24] <hopkinskong> I don't have recovery.
[16:24] <hopkinskong> OK, i want to clarify something.
[16:25] <hopkinskong> First of all, do i really need an existing Android to make Ubuntu Touch work?
[16:25] <hopkinskong> Or Ubuntu Touch Image+CM10.1 Image jut built WOULD WORK?
[16:25] <ogra_> you need to somehow flash the files ...
[16:26] <hopkinskong> just tell me first, do i need an exists android besides from the CM10.1 i built
[16:27] <ogra_> you need to somehow install that CM10.1 ... for that you usually need android's recovery
[16:27] <hopkinskong> So i need a "base" android, then install "CM10.1" then for the "rootfs"?
[16:29] <hopkinskong> [BASE ANDROID]+[CUSTOM BUILT CM10.1]+[ROOTFS IMAGE] = UBUNTU TOUCH or [CUSTOM BUILT CM10.1]+[ROOTFS IMAGE] = UBUNTU TOUCH
[16:29] <hopkinskong> which one is correct?
[16:30] <pentester> how do you upgrade the ubuntu software on the phone
[16:30] <pentester> I keep redoing the process on the wiki, but receive an error of not enough space on /data
[16:31] <hopkinskong> I need to explain how my device boot. I am on some kind of "custom bootloader", and when i launch, it loads the kernel and initrd DIRECTLY.
[16:32] <hopkinskong> Then it will read /init in my rootfs (/sdcard/ubuntu-touch/rootfs.ext2)
[16:32] <hopkinskong> and start the system.
[16:39] <thebit> Hi
[16:40] <thebit> anyone knows if inside the ubuntu touch i can run GTK applications ?
[16:46] <thebit> anyone knows if inside the ubuntu touch i can run GTK applications ?
[16:48] <seb128> thebit, you probably can't atm
[16:48] <ogra_> thebit, you can, via ssh -X or so ... they wont be able to display on the device
[16:48] <seb128> we will need a Mir backend once the touch image runs on Mir
[16:48] <seb128> backend for GTK
[16:48] <ogra_> (and beyond that,. what seb128 said)
[16:51] <thebit> so, the Glib isn't supported in ubuntu touch ?
[16:51] <thebit> someone know which X manager it runs?, lightdm or a minimal version?
[16:55] <ogra_> thebit, a script thats called ubuntu-session
[16:55] <ogra_> thebit, and it doesnt us X at all
[17:01] <thebit> But it uses the framebuffer like linux does no?
[17:02] <ogra_> it uses androids SurfaceFlinger at the moments
[17:02] <ogra_> -s
[17:02] <ogra_> and very soon Mir
[17:02] <ogra_> (within the next weeks it will switch)
[17:04] <thebit> umm, thanks, its factible, or doable, to run a previous app in Gtk in ubuntu touch?
[17:06] <ogra_> thebit, as i said only remotely via something like ssh -X (which woudl display it on your desktop) ... there isnt any SurfaceFlinger support for Gtk and there isnt any Mir support for Gtk
[17:08]  * ogra_ ponders if we want a powerpc build of ubuntu touch :)
[17:16] <thebit> the gtk will be abandoned at some point in the future for the ubuntu ?
[17:17] <ogra_> for touch it hasnt existed
[17:17] <ogra_> on the desktop it will persist
[17:17] <ogra_> in one way ot another
[17:17] <ogra_> *or
[17:18] <ogra_> ubuntu touch is designed for HTML5 and QML from the beginning
[17:18] <ogra_> so i doubt you will see any gtk apps there
[17:19] <ogra_> (unless you make Gtk work with Mir or SurfaceFlinger :) )
[17:19] <ogra_> we wont refuxe patches (hint ... )
[17:19] <ogra_> *refuse
[17:19] <seb128> thebit, we will make GTK apps work on Ubuntu Touch
[17:19] <thebit> ok, soon or later it will have, for example for cordova maybe
[17:19] <seb128> it requires to use Mir though
[17:20] <seb128> and to write a Mir backend for GTK
[17:20] <seb128> which is planned
[17:20] <seb128> once those happen, most GTK apps should run fine
[17:20] <seb128> (some do X specific calls and will need to be fixed but that's not the majority)
[17:21] <thebit> mm the Ubuntu Touch could bring with the Mir the support for Gtk apps, it sounds great!!
[17:22] <thebit> do you have a GIT place where we can contribute ?
[17:23] <ogra_> for the Mir support ?
[17:23] <ogra_> i think there is a bzr branch
[17:24] <ogra_> for ubuntu touch apps themselves its all QML only atm
[17:27] <thebit> ok, yes.. i've found the bzr you told me, thanks
[17:27] <ogra_> for Mir there is also #ubuntu-mir where the devs hang out
[18:15] <nik90> mesq: when can we expect the app paterns for clock? We already have merge proposals for timer, stopwatch etc but rather wait on the app patern before merging to trunk
[18:38] <mick1203> Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device
[18:39] <mick1203> Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device
[18:41] <mick1203> specifically HP slate 500
[18:41] <mick1203> I know its a garbage device and all but I have no other use for it
[18:41] <mick1203> Is it possible to install Ubunto-touch on an HP device
[18:41] <mick1203> specifically HP slate 500
[18:41] <mick1203> I know its a garbage device and all but I have no other use for it
[18:50] <ogra_> rsalveti, sergiusens ... so touch seeds are up at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.raring/view/3/touch and we can use them in the new images :)
[18:50] <rsalveti> yeah, trying to remember how the task/meta is generated now
[18:50] <rsalveti> as we don't want a meta package
[18:50]  * sergiusens needs to learn how to use seeds
[18:51] <rsalveti> oh, but we have a meta now
[18:51] <rsalveti> ubuntu-touch-meta
[18:51] <ogra_> yeah the one we have in raring now is pretty useless until all packages are migrated
[18:51] <rsalveti> sure, but we can use this meta at live build
[18:51] <rsalveti> which is already something :-)
[18:51] <ogra_> well, it has no deps
[18:51] <ogra_> deps are only added for existing packages
[18:52] <rsalveti> true, as it consumes the seeds
[18:52] <ogra_> but i guess you could hack up the update.cfg
[18:52] <ogra_> so it would pull from a PPA additionally
[18:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: so should we push this meta at our ppa after germinating it?
[18:52] <ogra_> sounds like the best plan for the moment, yes
[18:52] <rsalveti> ok, that's fine
[18:54]  * ogra_ idly watches his repos sync of android-x86 ... still going on ... two days now :/
[18:54] <ogra_> even mirroring the ubuntu archive is faster
[18:55] <ogra_> haha
[18:56] <ogra_> and i got an FTBFS mail for ubuntu-touch-meta on powerPC
[18:56] <tassadar__> you should ask them to send you DVDs with the whole tree)
[18:56] <ogra_> poor PPC users
[18:57] <ogra_> tassadar__, well i thought i'd try the tar.bz2 they offer ... its 7G and supposed to have the whoe tree ... i tried the whole weekend ... but somehow the download commits suicide after 2-3G all the time
[18:58] <ogra_> so now i resorted to repo sync in the hope that i can at least make it pick up if it fails
[18:59] <ogra_> anyway ... anough work ...
[18:59]  * ogra_ re-locates to a comfy place
[19:00] <Stskeeps> rsalveti: glancing at some of the bionic patches, you're going for a less picky version of my __errno hack so you can run the binaries still?
[19:04] <rsalveti> Stskeeps: I created another lib which contains the __set_errno function, so we could map that with our custom linker
[19:04] <Stskeeps> ah, that makes sense
[19:04] <rsalveti> and avoid all the calls for __set_errno
[19:23] <Mixyde> Hello/Bonsoir
[19:54] <janimo> rsalveti, are hybris changes being sent upstream?
[19:55] <rsalveti> janimo: not yet, I'm trying to find a way to better split the compat code
[19:55] <rsalveti> to avoid incompatibilities with the packaging side
[19:56] <rsalveti> and got sidetracked to work on some other fixes as well, hopefully should be back to this today still
[19:58] <janimo> rsalveti, another question: my build yields a cm-.zip without codename and date of build in it. Do you know which files are those taken from?
[19:58] <rsalveti> janimo: let me look
[19:59] <janimo> so just cm-.zip but the other zip in the output dir of the exact same size -they seem to be hardlinks sharing an inode  - is named ok:
[19:59] <janimo> full_tf101-ota-eng.jani.zip
[20:02] <Mixyde> Hello, I wante to know how can I Change the DPI for the HpTouchpad with Ubuntu Touch
[20:08] <rsalveti> janimo: guess the codename it might not be finding it properly
[20:08] <rsalveti> janimo: is this a new build which is not yet cm compatible?
[20:09] <rsalveti> guess it'll look for PRODUCT_DEVICE
[20:09] <ogra_> Mixyde, see the porting howto (link is in the channel topic)
[20:09]  * rsalveti reminds he needs to approve ogra_'s mr
[20:09] <rsalveti> will make sure this lands today
[20:09] <ogra_> yeah !
[20:09]  * ogra_ dances
[20:10] <janimo> rsalveti, trying a tf101 build for practice
[20:10] <janimo> rsalveti, thanks I'll look for PRODUCT_DEVICE
[20:10] <ogra_> rsalveti, if it landed i'll care for updating the instructions tomorrow
[20:10] <Guest90834> hi, we have a Galaxy Nexus with a broken screen lying around, but I am not sure if it is already unlocked. Is there a way to tell from the adb shell?
[20:10] <ogra_> from fastboot i think
[20:10] <janimo> Guest36969, you can tell if you boot into bootloader mode (press volume keys while rebooting)
[20:11] <ogra_> call fastboot oem unlock
[20:11] <ogra_> janimo, no screen ;)
[20:11] <Mixyde> Ogra thank you, I will try to understand how to do it
[20:11] <janimo> Guest36969, it should have an info screen which tells locked or unlocked among other things
[20:11] <janimo> ogra_, ah completely broken screen :)
[20:11] <ogra_> the fastboot command will tell you if its already unlocked
[20:11] <Guest90834> ah ok
[20:11] <Guest90834> thanks
[20:11] <ogra_> if not it will just unlock
[20:11] <Guest90834> I will try that
[20:11] <Guest90834> great
[20:12] <Guest90834> lets see
[20:13] <rsalveti> janimo: see build/envsetup.sh
[20:13] <rsalveti> there's a function called 'eat'
[20:14] <rsalveti>         MODVERSION=`sed -n -e'/ro\.cm\.version/s/.*=//p' $OUT/system/build.prop`
[20:14] <rsalveti>         ZIPFILE=cm-$MODVERSION.zip
[20:14] <rsalveti> hm, but guess this is more to flash the device, but it should give an idea as well
[20:15] <rsalveti> indeed, it uses the ro.cm.version from system/build.prop
[20:16] <rsalveti> ro.cm.version=10.1-20130312-UNOFFICIAL-mako
[20:16] <rsalveti> for my local mako build
[20:17] <janimo> rsalveti, thanks
[20:17] <rsalveti> janimo: check vendor/cm/config/common.mk
[20:17] <rsalveti> for CM_VERSION
[20:18] <rsalveti> Guest36969: I believe fastboot should tell you from the console as well if it's indeed unlocked
[20:18] <rsalveti> otherwise I guess you can use the buttons to try to unlock
[20:19] <rsalveti> as it doesn't use the touch screen anyway to accept the unlock
[20:19] <rsalveti> you need to do a vol down + power
[20:19] <ogra_> iirc you get a screen that asks you to confirm
[20:20] <rsalveti> yup
[20:20] <pmcgowan> bfiller: do we have a bp for the camera app? or is that wound down enough?
[20:21] <bfiller> pmcgowan: don't have one currently for camera, notepad or media-player. probably should as there are still work items even though not major
[20:21] <pmcgowan> bfiller: should we make one apps bp to capture them?
[20:22] <bfiller> pmcgowan: like video recording for example in camera
[20:22] <bfiller> pmcgowan: I'd say on bp per app
[20:22] <bfiller> one
[20:23] <pmcgowan> bfiller: ok, how do we get them made, do you already have the task lists?
[20:23] <bfiller> pmcgowan: I can take care of it, have some of the tasks captured already in spreadsheet
[20:23] <pmcgowan> bfiller: ok thanks
[20:27] <mesq> nik90: tomorrow or thursday at the latest! sorry, the clock designs are indeed a bit overdue… just pending some tricky alarm clock details. but I hope in the end the results are worth the wait :)
[20:38] <Riussi_> yes, nice meeting you mesq today. i'll continue the alarms when we get the designs
[20:51] <larsgk> dragly: ping
[20:51] <nik90> mesq: np :) I understand there are lot of things to work out not just in the clock app but other core apps as well. take your time
[20:59] <tedg> tvoss, looking at the application archive API proposal, how do you want comments in that?  As /* */ comments?
[21:09] <tedg> tvoss, Too late, already did it :-)
[21:19] <mesq> nik90: cheers, thanks for your understanding and support :)
[21:19] <mesq> Riussi_: my pleasure, hope to catch up with you again soon!
[23:09] <bcurtiswx> phablet-flash is so slow, lol
[23:09] <RobbyF> I disagree
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> 64KB/s download rates
[23:13] <RobbyF> let me try
[23:13] <RobbyF> I get 5-10MB typically
[23:14] <RobbyF> phone is to dead to flash
[23:14] <bcurtiswx> i don't think i've ever gotten a relatively fast connection
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip is what i'm DLing
[23:15] <RobbyF> 100%[[23:16] <RobbyF> fast for me, where are you located?
[23:16] <bcurtiswx> eastern USA
[23:16] <RobbyF> east canada
[23:16] <RobbyF> Toronto
[23:17] <bcurtiswx> i wonder why i'm slow, i have a 25/5 connection with my ISP
[23:17] <RobbyF> ISP issues maybe?
[23:17] <bcurtiswx> are you using the same location ?
[23:17] <RobbyF> 6.0 MB/s - 62.2 MB of 481 MB, 1 min left
[23:17] <RobbyF> yup
[23:18] <RobbyF> hosted in london uk by the looks
[23:19] <RobbyF> ur isp must not have good peering with level3 in new york area
[23:19] <bcurtiswx> im in northern VA
[23:19] <bcurtiswx> so i should be OK <shrugs>
[23:20] <RobbyF> I can move that for you if ya want
[23:20] <bcurtiswx> brb
[23:20] <RobbyF> just that file?
[23:21] <RobbyF> I can test my new cloud :)
[23:23] <RobbyF> http://vps1.hostingsharedbox.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=94bc620ecd38a83482d13f30d9c7cc31
[23:23] <RobbyF> not sure if that works or not.


[06:47] <Schaeggi> Hi all!
[06:47] <Schaeggi> Is it a known issue that xubuntu does have problems if NVIDIA "X Server Display Configuration" is set to "Force (Full) Composition Pipeline"? If I enable it, I can log in but then get my background image only. No user interface (Menu, Bars, Windows etc). Running applications with shortcuts does not do anything in the foreground. After switching to tty5 (or any other) by pressing ctrl+alt+F5 and switching
[06:47] <Schaeggi> back to tty7 all is fine again. Shortcut started apps show up as well. I'm running Xubuntu 20.04 with nvidia-driver-440. I had this problem on 18.04 as well. Of course I could disable the "Force ..." option, but it reduces screen tearing on my machine a lot.
[22:29] <pjotter> Does anybody know what's going on with xfce4-weather-plugin? It stopped working a couple of days ago.
[22:31] <Unit193> https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/commit/?id=97601ab2ad1f9810516be6d3d91c5c9b16d6397a
[22:32] <pjotter> Thanks Unit193
[22:32] <pjotter> Is that a patch?
[22:34] <Unit193> But the current version seems to work for me.
[22:34] <pjotter> I tested it on 16.04, 18.04 and 20,04. Only 20.04 worked for me.
[22:35] <Unit193> Only that one has the latest version, I wouldn't expect the one from 2016 to work.
[22:35] <pjotter> But 18.04 should be working?
[22:36] <pjotter> Is it possible to recompile this for 16.04?
[22:39] <Unit193> You could likely backport the current version to 16.04.
[22:42] <pjotter> current version complains about a dependency: libc6 (>=2.29) on my system. Would that be a problem when I try to backport it on my system?


[17:22] <Rosco2> Hi - I am a new Ubuntu Member and I would like to request a cloak
[17:22] <Rosco2> https://launchpad.net/~rosco2
[17:26] <Unit193> Augustus: Alive?
[17:32] <Unit193> Rosco2: Done.
[17:33] <Unit193> Congrats.
[17:33] <Rosco2> Thanks!
[17:34] <Fuchs> Congratulations
[17:44] <Kilos> hi guys
[17:44] <Kilos> Unit193 can i bug you quick?


[06:13] <najeeb> hey there,, i have question for xubuntu related
[06:20] <najeeb> any one is online...
[06:23] <najeeb> why create this irc chat room
[06:40] <pmjdebruijn> najeeb: some people are at work, some are asleep
[06:41] <pmjdebruijn> najeeb: you can't expect immediate answer on irc anywhere really
[06:41] <pmjdebruijn> najeeb: and ask your question, and stick around and wait for an answer
[12:41] <ivychend> I met a problem, pavucontrol can not conneted to pulseaudio
[12:41] <ivychend>  and xubuntu missing pavucontrol icon
[12:42] <ivychend> aplay command play music well, that means driver of sound card is ok
[12:43] <ivychend> can not find any valid information through websit
[12:44] <ivychend> was there anyone met this problem before, any help would be appreciated
[12:46] <ivychend> my system is xubuntu 16.04 running on armhf(32bit armv7 cpu) board
[13:54] <lyze> Hello! In (for example) i3 you have one workspace per monitor, but in xfce you have one workspace per all screens together. Can I change that behavior somehow?
[18:18] <xubuntu732> i need help
[18:18] <xubuntu732> nice..
[20:28] <elon-musk> hello
[20:28] <elon-musk> anyone here?
[20:28] <mark76> Yeah
[20:29] <elon-musk> hey
[20:29] <flocculant> often are
[20:29] <mark76> Hello
[20:29] <flocculant> !ask | elon-musk
[20:29] <elon-musk> when i install xubuntu
[20:30] <elon-musk> should i install nvidia driver? or it is just fine to stay with nouvau driver?
[20:30] <mark76> Hmm.  I prefer Nvidia.  But my graphics chip is ancient
[20:31] <flocculant> elon-musk: I test xubuntu - I install nvida to test it installs here, then I uninstall
[20:31] <flocculant> BUT
[20:31] <elon-musk> mark76, yes
[20:31] <elon-musk> flocculant, ?
[20:31] <flocculant> if you do that gaming stuff it 'might' be preferable, or even for other occasions
[20:32] <elon-musk> ah ok
[20:32] <flocculant> elon-musk: I don't type fast ;)
[20:32] <elon-musk> flocculant, no sorry for that
[20:32] <elon-musk> flocculant, when i use nouvau i get some problems with pulseaudio
[20:33] <mark76> Personally I prefer the proprietary blob to the open source wannabe in this case
[20:33] <elon-musk> ok cool, i will try it hope not to face overheating
[20:34] <flocculant> elon-musk: mmm - well I don't have any video/audio issues, though I mpd - and swap between direct alsa and using pulse, never had the pulseaudio issues others di 6 or so years back
[20:35] <flocculant> mark76: works for you then - when there's an *buntu one works for me too - but I think new stuff can be a bit patchy
[20:35] <elon-musk> flocculant, not priority driver ?
[20:36] <flocculant> I try to check the nvidia site - then check what 'we' have to correlate driver match
[20:36] <flocculant> elon-musk: not what I mean - not priority for ME
[20:37] <elon-musk> very good nouvau driver  is faster that priority one and lightweight specially in xubuntu
[20:40] <flocculant> I do tend to fall back to that - wfm
[21:33] <afterdeath> yo
[21:34] <afterdeath> looking for
[23:08] <CoderEurope> Iam on xubuntu 17.10 - can someone help me set up my vypr Vpn, please ?


[17:15] <taiebot1> Hi i am having a little  issue with the desktop of my parents and i would like to fix it. Can  someone knowledgeable with X server config or ligthdm shed a light on  this problem. Thanks https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1801589
[17:16] <diogenes_> taiebot1, nvidia proprietary?
[17:20] <taiebot1> nope
[17:20] <taiebot1> not in front of the computer but i am trying to get some info..
[17:39] <taiebot1> I have tried to generate the .config/monitors.xml  but impossible on lubuntu i tried to edit the lightdm to add a specific script to switch to the correct resolution but it fails
[18:49] <mchasard> hi
[18:49] <apt-ghetto> bonsoir
[18:49] <mchasard> on peut parler francais ici ?
[18:50] <apt-ghetto> no, seulement anglais
[18:50] <wxl> !fr
[18:50] <mchasard> ah ok so i have some troubles to appear a jbl go speaker with bluetooth
[18:52] <mchasard> i just woluld  like to know the commande line to appear
[18:52] <mchasard> i could see the device with hcitool scan
[18:53] <mchasard> but sudo bluez-simple-agent hci0 number doesnt work
[18:53] <mchasard> with assistant the device never appears
[18:53] <mchasard> and is not available
[19:00] <mchasard> its not really time to ask ?
 patience is a virtue, someone who is more familiar with bluetooth probably needs to be around to provide better assistance
 (if nobody knows, chances are you'll get no replies though)
[19:01] <mchasard> ok
[19:02] <apt-ghetto> i don't use bluetooth
[19:04] <mchasard> so i have to buy a jack to make it work without bluetooth
[19:04] <mchasard> strange
[19:04] <mchasard> at the begining i remember that it workrd
[19:07] <mchasard> bluez-smple-agent unfoud command
 Hey, I'm trying to boot lubuntu frim a usb stick
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/54fk8Fq.jpg The files look like this
 And then when I select it in the boot menu, I end up in a terminal, I don't know what that is exactly, I typ in the password and then I don't know how I should go on
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/g7cFZlP.jpg
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/0xT2EQi.jpg
[20:16] <wxl> hit enter
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/1Z7uyVf.jpg
[20:18] <wxl> yes, it's booting
[20:18] <wxl> patience, grasshopper
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/tD5XOgk.jpg
[20:19] <wxl> ok now that's a bit strange
[20:19] <wxl> so did you check the hashes of the iso you downloaded?
[20:19] <wxl> and then once you've done that run the check disc for defects thing at the boot menu (see https://i.imgur.com/0xT2EQi.jpg)
 @wxl [<wxl> so did you check the hashes of the iso you downloaded?], Do you mean the name of the .iso?
[20:20] <wxl> if those two succeed, then i'd ask you how you made this usb given all the isos on it. i have seen nothing but problems from the likes of easybcd, yumi, all those multiboot things and i wouldn't recommend them
[20:20] <wxl> !hashes
[20:20] <wxl> ^ that
[20:20] <wxl> it guards against the possibility of download errors
[20:20] <wxl> the second check guards against the possibility of copy errors
[20:20] <wxl> these are both possibilities no matter what you tell me about whatever set up you have
 Okay right now I don't understand anything what dt do, sorry. This is the first time I'm using Ubuntu.  Just google?😅
[20:38] <wxl> virtualbox.org
[20:38] <wxl> but given this is for school, i would expect a bit of initiative on your part :)
 @wxl [<wxl> virtualbox.org], Thanks
 @wxl [<wxl> but given this is for school, i would expect a bit of initiative on your p …], I'm sitting on this installation now for 2 hours but I'll try to solve the problems myself ;-)
[20:43] <wxl> so read what i sent you
[20:43] <wxl> the hashes page has plenty of information
 Thanks for your effort, I've found a way now to use it via a website


[01:17] <pochu> slomo, asac: would be nice if any of you could sponsor bug 228827
[01:44] <pochu> slomo, asac: nevermind, that debdiff still has some issues
[09:33] <asac> pochu: ok. let me know when you think its ready
[09:43] <huats> moring everyone
[09:43] <huats> hey asac
[09:46] <asac> hi huats
[09:48] <huats> asac: still not in Prague
[09:48] <huats> ?
[09:53] <asac> huats: i am here ;)
[09:53] <asac> in prague
[09:53] <huats> héhé
[09:53] <huats> :)
[11:39] <ember> seb128 and pedro_ should bug #188732 really be milestoned? it was mark invalid upstream and the patches aren't upstream
[11:39] <seb128> yes
[11:40] <seb128> it's something which is creating issues and that we should look at solving
[11:40] <seb128> upstream marked it invalid because they are commenting on the wrong bug, I talk with the guy who closed the bug, they agree that's an issue to fix though
[11:41] <ember> cool, because the patch on that url seems more a workaround than a real fix
[11:43]  * Hobbsee waves
[11:43] <Hobbsee> mvo!
[11:43]  * Hobbsee randomly covers mvo and the rest of the people at the UDS in kittens.
[11:44] <seb128> hey Hobbsee
[11:44] <Hobbsee> heya seb128!
[11:46]  * mvo hugs Hobbsee
[11:47] <Hobbsee> :D
[16:24] <seb128> pitti: gvfs evolution-data-server gnome-system-monitor evolution nautilus gnome-panel gnome-settings-daemon glib2.0 gnome-desktop totem-pl-parser gdm glade-3
[17:23] <seb128> pitti:<PHONE_NUMBER>95<PHONE_NUMBER>08
[17:53] <pochu> 49MB of updates (-security and -updates) after a clean installation... I was expecting more after all this SRUs :-)
[18:12] <pochu> gnome-app-install should have a "fits nice in GNOME" filter :-)


[03:14] <rsc-> sup fellas
[03:32] <_MMA_> yo
[03:50] <gaminggeek> hey
[05:01] <darkmatter> moo!
[13:51] <robsta> hi thorwil
[13:51] <thorwil> hi robsta
[13:52]  * thorwil just watched the uds videos with Mark, Julian, Kenneth, Ted and Jono
[14:27] <SealV> how can I make a wire-mesh texture in inkscape without giving myself an aneurysm?
[14:29] <_MMA_> SealV: #inkscape will be the best channel to ask in.
[14:30] <SealV> thanks


[10:05] <loicm> hey, how do you compile, say eglapp.c, in the examples folder?
[10:06] <loicm> (.text+0x28): undefined reference to `main
[10:08] <alan_g> loicm: "make"
[10:10] <alf> loicm: (in case you are building manually for some reason, not using cmake/make) eglapp.c is a helper file used by some of the demo clients. Try compiling a demo client like eglflash.c (that needs eglapp.c)
[10:10] <loicm> alan_g: I mean outside of the build system
[10:11] <loicm> alan_g: this is something several people do when testing a lib
[10:12] <loicm> alf: ah, thanks, that wasn't clear
[10:15] <alf> loicm: try something like 'gcc -o mir_demo_client_eglflash $(pkg-config --cflags mirclient gl egl) eglflash.c eglapp.c $(pkg-config --libs mirclient gl egl)'
[10:15] <loicm> alf: yes, thanks, got it compiled now :)