[01:41] <go8765> can anybody help me please to install cuberok. this is log http://paste.ubuntu.com/808087/
[01:42] <go8765> can anybody help me please to install cuberok. this is log http://paste.ubuntu.com/808087/
[01:42] <go8765> *sorry if repeat
[01:48] <FuZi0N> Anyone know how to modify the maximum number of connections per user for pptp vpn in ubuntu?
[03:10] <moes> K3b has corrupted ...what command do I use to remove
[03:13] <metap0d> anyone here using the default irc client quassel in kubuntu?
[03:13] <metap0d> I just installed and this is my first linux distribution ... I want to move the channel list above the chat and not on the left : /
[03:13] <metap0d> I feel dumb but I cannot for the life of me find the option
[03:13] <James147> metap0d: drag and drop ^^
[03:13] <metap0d> I'm tryingg : P
[03:14] <metap0d> it doesn't drag except off the quassel main window entirely
[03:14] <James147> moes: sudo apt-get remove <packagename>
[03:14] <metap0d> i can move the topic bar easily
[03:14] <James147> metap0d: o, wait, you cannot drag and drop to the top/bottom, only the sides
[03:14] <moes> James147, Do I use purge also
[03:15] <metap0d> so there isn't a way? : (
[03:15] <James147> moes: purge removes config files, remove dose not... if its a problem with the configs (not the user ones, but the system ones) then purge
[03:16] <moes> James147, Thanks for the info
[03:16] <James147> metap0d: Not without editing the source, :) though I bet it would be a one line edit...
[03:17] <James147> metap0d: you could file a bug report, though I think it was a done this was as the chat window is normally to long to effenctly display above or below
[03:17] <metap0d> this is the only graphical irc client i've seen that doesn't allow it : P
[03:17] <metap0d> but nah it isn't too much trouble, I'm sure I'll find something else
[03:18] <James147> metap0d: thats not the way to get programs fixed :)
[03:18] <metap0d> it's not 'broken' : )
[03:18] <metap0d> To be fair I used quassel on Windows and disliked it on that platform too
[03:18] <James147> metap0d: depends on your definition... it dosnt do what you want thus it is broken for you
[03:18] <metap0d> :P
[03:19] <metap0d> uhm ... another possibly stupid question
[03:19] <metap0d> is there a graphical tool to perform updates? I googled and found I could do sudo apt-get update ... but some of the other livecds i tried had their own tool
[03:19] <metap0d> does it matter?
[03:20] <James147> metap0d: there is a gui tool for updating and installing packages on kubuntu... the latest uses muon i believe, but eailer versions use kpackagekit
[03:20] <James147> ^^ you should beable to get to it from the menu or system settings
[03:21] <James147> metap0d: however, it dosnt matter which you use
[03:23] <metap0d> ah :
[03:24] <James147> metap0d: o, and apt-get update only updates the packagelist (equlivent to the "refresh package list" button in the guis) if you want to upgrade you have to update then upgrade: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[03:31] <metap0d> James147: Do you mind if I ask how/why you chose Kubuntu? : o
[03:33] <James147> metap0d: originally because it mostly just worked and felt nicer to use then the other options I had tried...
[03:35] <James147> metap0d: but mostly because its one of only a few kde and non yum based distros :)
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[03:46] <metap0d> yes, I understand.
[03:47] <datruth_> To install kde am I to just sudo apt-get install kde4 kdm and if so how do I remvoe all of gnome afterwards?
[03:47] <metap0d> lol : o
[03:47] <metap0d> this is #kubuntu
[03:47] <James147> datruth_: install kubuntu-desktop is the best way to install kde
[03:48] <James147> !purekde | datruth_
[03:48] <datruth_> James147: great is there a method to remove gnome afterwards?
[03:48] <datruth_> thx
[03:48] <metap0d> James147: Updating packages seems to have frozen at 52%, and my web browser broke and said it can't handle http protocol : (
[03:48] <ts2> I wouldn't try the purekde stuff on > 10.04
[03:49] <datruth_> im on 11.10
[03:49] <James147> metap0d: 52% download?
[03:49] <metap0d> wow ..
[03:49] <James147> ts2: that link says different
[03:49] <metap0d> I should take a screenshot of how buggy this is
[03:50] <almoxarife> ts2: there is an updated purekde  for 11.10, wiped ubuntu clean off my system, too clean, i wanted to keep synaptic and a few other apps
[03:50] <ts2> James147: Kubuntu ships many GTK parts now, so it's not so simple
[03:50] <James147> ts2: I think that page will ahve taken that into account....
[03:51] <James147> infact... the command do a removal then install kubuntu-desktop.... so anything removed that shouldnt have been will be installed again
[03:52] <ts2> dependencies can be tricky, easy to break and difficult to fix, just a warning
[03:52] <James147> ts2: kubuntu-desktop should depend on everything kubuntu ships with... so installing that should pull in anything needed by the default kubuntu
[03:53] <ts2> James147: my worry is everything before installing kubuntu-desktop
[03:53] <James147> (but yes, always take care when remvoing packages :D  )
[03:54] <James147> ts2: like what?
[03:54] <datruth_> after kubuntu is installed how would i reinstall all packages to make sure everything works?
[03:54] <James147> datruth_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop      ... if it dose nothing then nothing needs to be done
[03:54] <almoxarife> ts2: you are partially correct, any ubuntu apps that survive the wipe dont work well afterwards, unless the app is reinstalled, which brings back enough of ubuntu to satisfy the app, worked for me
[03:55] <datruth_> James147: gotcha even previous programs like virtualbox etc should be fine?
[03:55] <ts2> James147: none of the packages specifically, just in general removing all those packages could end badly if a mistake is made
[03:55] <James147> datruth_: maby not ^^ just reinstall anythign you need and it should pull in what it needs again... so "sudo apt-get install virtualbox"
[03:55] <datruth_> ts2: mistake how?
[03:56] <almoxarife> datruth_: i think virtualbox will get wiped initially, re-install it, your home-confs are safe, so no damage done
[03:56] <datruth_> why is the data getting wiped?
[03:56] <ts2> datruth_: for example, a typo
[03:56] <James147> ts2: copy and paste the command shouldnt cause a mistake :)
[03:56] <almoxarife> datruth_: data is not! wiped
[03:56] <ts2> James147: you assume no mistake on the web page ;)
[03:57]  * datruth_ will install kubuntu first
[03:57] <datruth_> then remove the what I dont want
[03:57] <datruth_> or just leave it
[03:58]  * James147 cannot remember what apt-get dose if you try to remove a dependency.... thinks it just fails with a message... so he dosnt think anything that was install should be removed anyway
[03:59] <ts2> James147: it will _also_ remove anything that depends on the package you have chosen to remove, you are the boss after all
[04:00] <James147> ts2: hmm... been using pacman to long now :) I assumed it wouldnt remove dependencies unless told to
[04:00] <ts2> you have told it so, by pressing 'y' or enter
[04:01] <almoxarife> datruth_: you dont need to wipe it, you can have both on the machine, its up to you
[04:01] <ts2> it tells you it will also remove all these packages, but that's likely to get lost in the other packages you are also removing. so you really have to *read* the output before continuing
[04:01] <datruth_> almoxarife: i was thinking gnome and kubuntu would take up alot of space
[04:01] <James147> ts2: so it dosnt remove them silently... then it shouldnt be a problem... assuming you dont just "yes | sudo apt-get..."
[04:02] <almoxarife> datruth_: i would think it would add up to a gig maybe
[04:02] <James147> datruth_: depends on what you mean by allot... kubuntu is onlt about 2-3gig on a fresh install... and allot of that space would be shared by gnome...
[04:02] <ts2> James147: people generally don't like reading lots of information to "do a simple task", peope never read...
[04:02] <James147> ts2: yeah :(
[04:03] <James147> ts2: though I hope that if they ahve to ask here then they will at least be causious with that they run :)
[04:03] <datruth_> hrmm so 5gb for gnome and kde?
[04:04] <James147> datruth_: probally, maby less maby more depending on what else you have installed
[04:04] <datruth_> gotcha
[04:04] <datruth_> does kde have the gnome-shell like desktop where you can pin apps to the side etc?
[04:06] <James147> datruth_: it have a pannel which is far more felxable... you can add any app or widget to it... and place it on the side if you want
[04:06] <datruth_> hrmm
[04:06] <James147> you can pin application to the taskbar as well.... or add a launcher to the panel itself
[04:06] <datruth_> hrnn
[04:07] <datruth_> hopefully this will fix my graphics lag
[04:08] <James147> ... moving the panel to the side and removing the other widgets then pinning the applications you want will result in a similar effect to unity
[04:08] <James147> I even think there is a plasma script somewhere that will make plasma-desktop look like unity ^^
[04:10] <James147> datruth_: heh, there are even widget designed to mimic unitys behaviour -> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/unity-like-launcher-for-kde-icon-tasks.html
[04:12] <datruth_> hrmm ok so kde is installed
[04:12] <datruth_> err kubuntu
[04:12] <datruth_> but every looks the same
[04:12] <datruth_> my login screen was different
[04:13] <datruth_> i liked that
[04:13] <James147> datruth_: logout and change the session type to "kde" or "plasama" and log in
[04:14] <James147> datruth_: you can have multiple desktop envroments installed... and you can pick which one you want to launch from the login screen, it defaults to what you picked previously
[04:17] <datruth_> ahh okay
[04:18] <datruth_> so I can still keep the gnome desktop with kubuntu but the mac theme funtionality will be gone?
[04:18] <James147> datruth_: mac theme functionality?
[04:20] <datruth_> yes like with the regulare gnome-shell i done have min/max buttons
[04:21] <James147> by default kde uses kwin... so you will have what that supports not what unitys window manager supports (same with the rest of the components)
[04:21] <datruth_> gotcha
[04:21] <James147> so yes, you will have a maximise and minimise button... though in kde you can remove them if you want :)
[04:22] <datruth_> i wonder if kubuntu uses more ram then that regular ubuntu?
[04:22] <datruth_> James147: i will keep I want the buttons
[04:22] <James147> you can also tell kde to use a different window manager if you want to replace it with the old one... though you lose some kde intergration if youu do
[04:22] <datruth_> how can this be done?
[04:23] <datruth_> and in kde or this window manager my graphics lag seems to have cleared up
[04:24] <almoxarife> datruth_: dont tell the ubuntu people, they might like it
[04:24] <James147> system settings > default applications > windowmanager.... or if you just want to try it out for a session you can run you old window manager (ie if it was metacity run "metacity --replace")
[04:24] <almoxarife> datruth_: anyway, welcome to a real desktop
[04:30] <datruth_> lol  yeah im liking this better
[04:30] <datruth_> almoxarife: do you use the plasma-desktop to?
[04:30] <datruth_> and how much ram does this normally use up
[04:31] <James147> datruth_: using 244M here... though it will vary allot depending on what widgets you have
[04:31] <almoxarife> datruth_: yeap
[04:32] <almoxarife> i run around 398-412 at startup
[04:32] <datruth_> hrmm
[04:32] <almoxarife> James147: how do you keep it so lean?
[04:33] <almoxarife> datruth_: i run plasma with cairo-dock
[04:33] <James147> almoxarife: only installed what I needed... (currently running on arch linux rather then kubutnu)
[04:33] <datruth_> are there default widgets I can edit to shrink the ram I am use .78 GB during startup
[04:33] <ts2> don't use firefox, then you'll see how much RAM you save...
[04:33] <datruth_> on a 12gb system maybe I shouldn't even care
[04:34] <James147> ts2: same can be said aout most browsers :)
[04:34] <datruth_> thx everyone for the help and info
[04:34] <almoxarife> James147: i try to find crap to offload but i ran out of obvious
[04:34] <James147> almoxarife: thats one reason I moved from kubuntu... i prefure building a system up rather then down
[04:35] <ts2> James147: firefox is more of a hog that most other things, it's apparently using nerly 1GB here, and I'm not even viewing anything flash-y
[04:36] <almoxarife> James147: i take the system and squeeze it slowly till its bone thin and begging for a little sugar in the diet, :)
[04:36] <James147> ts2: true..
[04:37] <James147> almoxarife: the 400M ram for plasma is with or without shared libs?
[04:38] <almoxarife> James147: not sure i am understanding, its total ram usage at idle with tracker at login from a boot
[04:39] <James147> almoxarife: so not plasma but the whole system?
[04:39] <almoxarife> James147: of course
[04:40] <James147> almoxarife: :) mine was for what plasma is currently using... at about 2.5G total ram
[04:41] <James147> 1.2G if i close chromium:D
[04:42] <almoxarife> James147: at 1.5 gig abouts with chromium
[04:42] <almoxarife> James147: 1.1
[04:42] <James147> have about 17 tabs open on mine :)
[04:43] <datruth_> how can I kill the startup sound?
[04:43] <James147> system settings > notifications
[04:43] <datruth_> awesome thx
[04:44] <dies_irae> hei
[04:44] <dies_irae> wurup
[04:44] <dies_irae> anyone chillin open dis pice??
[04:44] <dies_irae> kan axe a questino here??
[04:44] <almoxarife> english?
[04:44] <dies_irae> surely
[04:45] <almoxarife> ah
[04:47] <almoxarife> i have yet to figure out how to increase the volume of system notices
[04:47] <dies_irae> ok here we go
[04:48] <dies_irae> best amarok plasma widget for KDE??
[04:48] <James147> !best | dies_irae
[04:48] <dies_irae> almoxarife: i'd would find that annoying as hell.
[04:49] <dies_irae> :(((
[04:49] <James147> dies_irae: though I just use veromix (pulseaudio volume control widget) which has amarok controlls
[04:49] <dies_irae> mm.. amma check it out
[04:51]  * almoxarife stripped pulse from plasma, excect where dependencies required some portion of it, runs great
[04:51] <James147> almoxarife: I have more issues with setting up alsa to work properly when I ahve with pulse :)
[04:51] <dies_irae> damn, veromix crashed the desktop
[04:52] <James147> heh
[04:52] <dies_irae> how to kill veromix??
[04:52] <James147> dies_irae: its a widget so is running as part of plasma-desktop...
[04:52] <dies_irae> :( seems like the entire windows engine is compromised. that'd suck if I have to kill my desktop!!!
[04:52] <dies_irae> I mad as hell now!!!
[04:53] <James147> run "plasma-desktop" in a shell or krunner to relaunch it
[04:53] <dies_irae> nothing happens
[04:54] <dies_irae> kmenu killed as well
[04:54] <James147> run it in a shell and see what it outputs
[04:54] <dies_irae> no output
[04:54] <dies_irae> doesn't even return
[04:55] <metap0d> hrm so I just followed a short guide to get my nvidia optimus setup working, and it did indeed work. BUt when I followed the guide to update the graphics driver I lost a ton of fps in glxgears, is there an easy way to revert?
[04:55] <James147> metap0d: ignore glxgears framerate
[04:55] <James147> metap0d: a decrease means nothing
[04:56] <metap0d> James147: I hope so ... I lost like 3,500 fps : P
[04:56] <James147> and an increase means nothing... it is not a benchmarking util
[04:56] <James147> metap0d: what is it now?
[04:57] <dies_irae> James147: whats' that supposed to do?
[04:57] <metap0d> it's incredibly sporadic ..., anywhere from 2500 to 3400
[04:57]  * dies_irae wishes didn't install bug ridden veromix
[04:57] <metap0d> sorry I was reading frames
[04:57] <metap0d> around 690fps as an average
[04:57] <metap0d> which is like 300 above my intel card :/
[04:57] <skierpage> In Kubuntu 11.10 I used `sudo aptitude remove` to uninstall some unnecessary packages before an update That worked, but then I got a different system tray (i) notification about updates. I now have muon-updater and apper --updates running.
[04:57] <dies_irae> James147: the widget got a question mark.
[04:58] <James147> metap0d: I wouldnt worry about it... its quite common to get a decrease in fps on glxgears while getting an increase in fps form actual graphics programs
[04:58] <James147> dies_irae: then remove the widget
[04:58] <skierpage> I guess it doesn't hurt, but it seems strange I've got two updaters. I think normally Apper appears from the gear with a download arrow.
[04:59] <metap0d> i see
[04:59] <metap0d> brb reboot needed : P
[05:00] <skierpage> Hmmm, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=97650 says "apper (and kpackagekit) was replaced by Muon in Kubuntu 11.10." True?
[05:00] <James147> skierpage: yup
[05:00] <datruth_> how can I increase my volume it seems like I have to drag the volume bar up 4bars before I hear anything?
[05:01] <James147> skierpage: you might still have both installed... should be safe to remove one (or even both :)  )  you can always use command line to install them again
[05:01] <dies_irae> James147: how?? the whole thing is frozen up!!
[05:01] <dies_irae> James147: I don't have right click anymore!!
[05:01] <skierpage> James147 thanks, hmm, interesting the 11.10 system update didn't clean them out.
[05:01] <James147> dies_irae: "killall plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop" in krunner
[05:01] <dies_irae> what can I kill that wont bring down the windowing system??
[05:02] <datruth_> And how can I use my nvida hdmi sound?
[05:02] <James147> datruth_: look at phonons settings in the multimedia section of system settings
[05:02] <dies_irae> James147: PHHHEEEEWWW!!!! that did it!!
[05:03] <dies_irae> I was terrified of losing my 200 opened tabs in firefox!!
[05:03] <James147> dies_irae: you should close or bookmark them if your that worried...
[05:03] <James147> dies_irae: also, firefox tends to have a good crash handler and restores tabs if that happens
[05:03] <almoxarife> dies_irae <-- troll
[05:03] <dies_irae> James147: why veromix crashed plasma?? any other amarok widget that won't crash my OS??
[05:04] <skierpage> `sudo aptitude remove apper` got rid of it, and libpackagekit-qt2-2. Thanks!
[05:04] <James147> dies_irae: not sure.... and look at kdelook.org for other widgets
[05:04] <dies_irae> almoxarife: who u callin troll??
[05:05] <dies_irae> James147: I am running 11.10
[05:05] <datruth_> James147: ok so i've tested sound out of the nvida hdmi how do I make it the master channel?
[05:06] <James147> datruth_: set it as the prefered device for all the outputs on the first tab in the phonon configs
[05:06] <almoxarife> dies_irae: you, 200 tabs open??? no, cant see it
[05:07]  * James147 knows some people that can ahve that many open :s and dosnt under stand how they can use their browser
[05:07] <dies_irae> ah alright, sometimes is more when I have other browsers opened simultanously. But since I am on LiveUSB I try to keep it small.
[05:07] <James147> though i guess taht 200 is an exagration
[05:07] <datruth_> James147: by doing that I have no sound now
[05:07] <datruth_> James147: that sound must only be for the hdmi port?
[05:08] <dies_irae> why exageration?? there are many sites on da intrawobz.
[05:08] <James147> ^^ thats what book marks are for
[05:09] <datruth_> James147: how  can I adjust my volume so it can play louder than what the volume bar is allowing me to hear
[05:10] <James147> datruth_: not sure you can... though run "alsamixer" in a terminal and check the volumes there (f6 to switch devices)
[05:10] <romeyro> hello guys, anyone know how i can use my desktop like the older kde version. I can not create folder and file on my desktop :S
[05:12] <James147> romeyro: kde4 uses widgets on the desktop bydefault, you can place file and folders there as widgets, or you can use the "folder view" widget to display the contents of a single folder (and interact with them).... or you can change the activity type to "folder view" to get legicy behaviour
[05:13] <James147> romeyro: the folder view widget has the advantage that you can have multiples of them pointing to different folders...
[05:13] <James147> (and can also be placed in the panel)
[05:17] <romeyro> its a good idea James147, its how i set it on my desktop but my laptop screen is small and i always need to create really quick a file or a folder. With the desktop accessibility it ll be faster
[05:18]  * James147 tends to use a terminal when he needs ro quickly create files and folders :D
[05:19] <James147> romeyro: but anyway :) switch the activity type to folderview to turn the background into the folderview widget
[05:19] <romeyro> i use a terminal too but when u have to copy files really quick from another media :P a quick drag and drop couldnt be bad :)
[05:21] <romeyro> James147: Thank you for your help :)
[05:23] <dies_irae> best app to take screenshots?
[05:23] <James147> dies_irae: ksnapshot
[05:24] <James147> is the default kubuntu/kde one
[05:25] <datruth_> James147: in ubuntu /  gnome there was a button to make things larger
[05:26] <James147> datruth_: there is a kwin effect to do that
[05:26] <dies_irae> thanks
[05:26] <James147> datruth_: system settings > desktop effects > all effect > zoom (make sure its enabled)
[05:27] <James147> meta+- and meta+= to zoom in and out meta+0 to reset
[05:30] <datruth_> James147: hrmm
[05:35] <James147> datruth_:  ^^
[05:41] <datruth_> yes?
[05:41] <datruth_> those settings didn't make a change at all
[05:41] <datruth_> oh what is meta+=?
[05:42] <datruth_> ahh
[05:42] <datruth_> alt
[05:42] <datruth_> got it thats works thx
[05:42] <datruth_> err windowsx key i mean
[05:44] <James147> datruth_: yeah, meta means the windows key on most keyboards
[05:44] <datruth_> doesn't work like it did in ubuntu
[05:44] <James147> datruth_: how did it work?
[05:44] <datruth_> there was zoom option and something that just enlarged the desktop and words etc
[05:44] <James147> font size?
[05:44] <datruth_> yeah i clicked a button and my font changed for everything
[05:44] <datruth_> making it more readable
[05:46] <James147> datruth_: do you switch font sizes allot?
[05:46] <datruth_> nope
[05:46] <datruth_> clicked one button and made life easier
[05:47] <James147> datruth_: then system settings > app appearnce > fonts
[05:49] <datruth_> yeah that didn't really help
[05:49] <datruth_> it made everything bigger but my chat window
[05:49] <datruth_> i'll just adjust the fonts manually for each app
[05:49] <datruth_> ;/
[05:50] <James147> datruth_: chat window for what?
[05:50] <datruth_> like right now im in a terminal window
[05:50] <datruth_> on irssi
[05:50] <datruth_> and the font that I see now of this chat
[05:50] <datruth_> hasn't changed
[05:50] <James147> datruth_: konsole can override the systems font setings
[05:50] <datruth_> ahh
[05:51] <James147> datruth_: settings > configure current profile > apperance
[05:51] <James147> also crtl+shift+= and ctrl+- change font size in konsole
[05:52] <datruth_> yeah i'll just use that
[06:23] <datruth_> thanks everyone for the help
[07:07] <dies_irae> hello??
[07:08] <dies_irae> is it possible to see file torrent completion in Dolphin??
[07:08] <dies_irae> I'd find that to be useful
[07:08] <dies_irae> so I know when to open the file.
[07:09] <jessie_> dies_irae: I don't believe so.
[07:09] <e_t_> Not in Dolphin, no. But you can minimize KTorrent to the systray and keep an eye on it that way.
[07:10] <dies_irae> there's an appropiate meme for this sorta situation.
[07:10] <dies_irae> but I can't say it though.
[07:11] <dies_irae> e_t_: I am not using ktorrent, rtorrent
[07:16] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[07:22] <dies_irae> w00t
[07:23] <dies_irae> I have a question
[07:23] <dies_irae> hello? anyone?
[07:23] <Tm_T> dies_irae: hello, you should just ask your question (:
[07:23] <dies_irae> I know
[07:24] <dies_irae> it's about kubuntu laptop install.
[07:24] <dies_irae> it had a funky overlay, not the full desktop. anyone have an idea why would that happen?
[07:25] <dies_irae> it was awfull but when back to regular kde desktop after a few reboots.
[07:25] <dies_irae> someone care to explain this bizarre behavior?
[07:26] <dies_irae> so??
[07:27] <Tm_T> dies_irae: patience (:
[07:28] <Tm_T> dies_irae: do you have plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook installed?
[07:28] <dies_irae> Tm_T: now that you mentioned that, I might've dowloaded a netbook edition ISO.
[07:28] <Tm_T> if unlucky, you might have them both running and fighting on which one is on top
[07:29] <dies_irae> but I am still curious why did it default to regular KDE?? The weird overlay did crash a few times too.
[07:37] <dies_irae> how to fix 99% stuck torrent??
[07:37] <dies_irae> ^^^ First World Problemo
[08:08] <badola> exit
[08:26] <raymears> hi everyone. using 11.10 with kde 4.8 rc2 from the beta ppa. i have this issue of virtuoso hogging one cpu core.. on and off..but still... on a dual core with a vm running in parallel it tends to be rather tedious..
[08:26] <raymears> any ideas what i can do about it?
[08:40] <raymears> my cpu fan is spinning up like mad!
[08:42] <raymears> i have even disabled strigi
[11:10] <rethus> i still read at the kubuntu-page about office-suite "Open office" isn't it libre office anymore?
[11:51] <saad_> Hi all.
[11:51] <saad_> lethu: Hi.
[11:53] <sb1980> hi! what's the recommended driver/setup for a "ATI Technologies Inc RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]" with 2 monitors
[11:54] <sb1980> i'm feeling like catalyst is slowing down my system
[12:00] <ikonia> sb1980: why do you feel that
[12:00] <rethus> maybe try the default kubuntu driver.. but catalyst is speeding up my system a lot... java3d is not working without it
[12:02] <sb1980> ikonia: i've got 2 stations running kubuntu. 1 desktop pc with catalyst driver and 1 laptop without (nvidia card). the desktop has 8GB ram, laptop 4GB and the desktop has more CPU. it's still slower then my laptop
[12:03] <sb1980> and by now, the driver is the only big difference i see
[12:03] <ikonia> sb1980: nvidia doesn't use catalyst
[12:03] <ikonia> sb1980: they are totally different systems with display engine there is no reason to blame catalyst
[12:03] <sb1980> that's why that one is faster... its the one without catalyst and nvidia. catalyst & ati is slow
[12:03] <ikonia> sb1980: that's a crazy way to approach it
[12:04] <sb1980> ikonia: i'm just guessing. because i feel the system slowing down when it comes to window effects etc
[12:04] <sb1980> which are running smooth on the nvidia system
[12:04] <ikonia> sb1980: ati support in general is poor,
[12:07] <sb1980> ikonia, rethus: so i guess switching to defualt driver would be worth a try
[12:07] <ikonia> you probably won't get hardware accelleration
[12:15] <saad__> Hi all.
[12:18] <Simon_PL> hi
[12:20] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:22] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:23] <saad__> Hi all.
[12:23] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:24] <saad__> Can someone please help me install the the brcm80211 driver for the Broadcom 4313 wireless chipset on Ubuntu?
[12:25] <yon_> how can i install kde themes manually
[12:26] <yon_> this thing sucks, gnome rocks
[12:41] <sb1980> are there any other ideas why the system is slowing down that much?
[12:44] <ikonia> poor ati support ?
[12:58] <noaXess> since laste kate update. executable fiels wil be executed instead of opened in default application, like kate... eg. .py files will be executed if execute bit is set.. before update, they are opened in default app kate..
[12:58] <noaXess> any hint how to set that behavior back?
[13:02] <noaXess> or maybe it's a dolphin issue, change
[13:20] <noaXess> in dolphin executable files will be executed.. but i want, that they are opened in eg. kate... how to change that behavior?
[13:50] <yon_> hellow hellow
[13:50] <yon_> i can run blender 2.58 portable in kubuntu 11.10
[13:50] <yon_> i cant run blender 2.58 portable in kubuntu 11.10
[13:52] <Torch> yon_: i thought you were going to use gnome?
[14:05] <JumpJiveAndHail> Hey folks.  Need help setting up wireless.  I've got Ubuntu server LTE 10.04 with the KDE desktop on top of it.  Can't get the sucker to work for the life of me.
[14:58] <Lynoure> I have a really strange problem
[14:58] <prodigy> what kind of problem?
[14:58] <Lynoure> If I use G+ hangout, or other Google video chat on my Chromium, the image flickers rapidly, and does that through (sic!) other windows
[14:59] <Lynoure> Have not tried with firefox yet.
[15:00] <prodigy> Check it out..  On the other hand also try re-installing Chromium
[15:00] <prodigy> Your codex might be f##ked
[15:01] <Lynoure> But a chromium problem should not cause such flicker through other windows...
[15:01] <Lynoure> I think. So which package should I reinstall, any idea?
[15:02] <prodigy> Which one have you got?
[15:03] <Lynoure> I don't know what codex it is....
[15:05] <prodigy> just use the software center
[15:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:47] <sakljdfaklsjdfa> Any Backtrack 5 users??
[15:53] <Omar> Hi all.
[15:55] <Omar> I have this problem with my Broadcom 4313 [14e4:4727] Wireless chipset which I later discovered is not supported, unfortunately. But I still think there should be something I can do about it. Can someone please help me?
[16:19] <new2net> Something I am running is making an excessive number of DNS queries. How would I find the process responsible? I am using kubuntu 11.04 (natty), if that matters.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> new2net,  tell us what you're running
[16:21] <new2net> BluesKaj, ps ax ?
[16:23] <rp12_> hello there, 2 things i did and now kubuntu keeps annoying me every boot. i set up kmail to see what its like and later removed, but now every book kwallet asks me for password, and i already deleted all the itens in the only wallet i have.
[16:24] <rp12_> and also, i disabled nepomuk indexing and every book a message pops up about akonadi needing nepomuk indexing to work properly.
[16:24] <rp12_> any fixes?
[16:24] <jessie> rp12_: You may want to try deleting the whole wallet, and stopping Kmail from running.
[16:24] <jessie> Does it say anything about what program asked to open the wallet?
[16:25] <rp12_> jessie: nope, it just say its for gmail access. and kmail is already purged from my system.
[16:25] <rp12_> jessie: ill try to remove the entire wallet.
[16:27] <jessie> rp12_: Ah. Akonadi seems to be how the IMAP server gets interacted with. I believe it is a 'Akonadi Resource' that does it. You may also want to go into the Akonadi resources and check to ensure it is gone from there too.
[16:29] <rp12_> jessie: yep! the "google mail" thing is listed in akonadi resources and has a note "user rejected wallet access".
[16:29] <rp12_> jessie: thank you man!
[16:29] <SpenserWilde> Hi all.
[16:29] <jessie> rp12_: Sure thing!
[16:29] <rp12_> jessie: looks like akonadi is whats causing all my problems
[16:29] <rp12_> :)
[16:29] <jessie> rp12_: I know how you feel. Great idea in theory, but it still needs some work.
[16:30] <SpenserWilde> It's me again, with the same problem as yesterday. My Broadcom 4313 [14e4:4727] isn't working properly. :/
[16:30] <jessie> SpenserWilde: This is on that new HP?
[16:31] <SpenserWilde> jessie, Yes. The Core i5 HP 9 series.
[16:32] <jessie> Did you get it to work very well at all yesterday, SpenserWilde?
[16:32] <rp12_> oh noes, wikipedia is offline to protest sopa :(
[16:33] <SpenserWilde> jessie, Nope. I'm still having the same problem. It detects and connects to the wireless but it doesn't detect the whole signal (only 80% of it at best), and the internet speed is extremely slow. Not a single webpage loads.
[16:34] <rp12_> using firebug you can block the wikipedia blocking message and use it normally :) heh
[16:36] <jessie> rp12_: Or you can disable Javascript. No JS, no problem.
[16:36] <rp12_> jessie: heh, even easier :)
[16:40] <SpenserWilde> jessie, Now for some reason, after I tinkered with it for some time, I don't even have an "Enable Wireless" option, and typing "rfkill list all" in a terminal yields not results at all.
[16:41] <jessie> SpenserWilde:  Well... I dunno. I've never had that problem.
[16:41] <SpenserWilde> Well.. Then I wish somebody else can  help me.. :(
[16:50] <BluesKaj> jessie,  run in the terminal, sudo dhclient wlan0 , or whatever you wlan has been assigned..thi s should autoconfigure an existing connection
[16:51] <BluesKaj> err not jessie , SpenserWilde , read above
[16:52] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, it says "cannot find wlan0".
[16:53] <OliveGreen> BluesKaj, Plus, there is no "Enable Wireless" option available for some reason. After I tried to fiddle with it for some time.
[16:54] <jessie> OliveGreen: Are you sure you have the hardware switch on? Is the wireless light on the laptop on?
[16:55] <OliveGreen> jessie, Yes it is.
[16:59] <OliveGreen> I am trying to pastebin the relevant parts of the Jockey.log for you to take a look at but the file is huge!
[17:00] <BluesKaj> OliveGreen,  sudo ifconfig wlan0 up , then run this to find the network , sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[17:02] <BluesKaj> brb
[17:02] <omar> BluesKaj, tyt (This is SpenserWilde).
[17:08] <BluesKaj> wish you guys would keep the same nicks
[17:10] <SpenserWild_> Hi
[17:10] <SpenserWild_> It's me SpenserWild (from the HP laptop).
[17:11] <SpenserWild_> BluesKaj, are you there?
[17:18] <datruth_> During boot up right before my login screen appears I get a funky background like it got broke or something then after login everything is fine can anyone explain tbis?
[17:18] <Scunizi> Since installing and using the kubuntu-desktop *after* ubuntu-desktop was installed, the software updates program (kde version) will list what is available but will not download/install as it errors our about propert authorization not being provided.  There's never a dialogue for entering the password. What's the fix? or is there one. CLI upgrades with apt are painless.
[17:19] <BluesKaj> SpenseWilde_,  yup , i'm here
[17:20] <datruth_> Scunizi: i get that same problem
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  using sudo with apt-get ?
[17:20] <datruth_> so I use apt-get in terminal
[17:21] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: apt-get works fine
[17:21] <BluesKaj> then use that muon package manager is buggy
[17:21] <Scunizi> datruth_: that's what I've been doing.. actually have a bash_aliases entry for full upgrades called "up"
[17:21] <BluesKaj> use apt-get , that is
[17:21] <datruth_> ahh
[17:22] <datruth_> does anyone else have this werid screen boot problem?
[17:22] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: okie dokie.. how do normally fresh installed kubuntu users find out how to upgrade?
[17:22] <datruth_> werid patterns and colors
[17:22] <Scunizi> datruth_: could be a video driver issue
[17:22] <datruth_> Hrmm
[17:22] <Scunizi> datruth_: not being loaded at that moment
[17:22] <datruth_> so this is normal behavior?
[17:22] <Scunizi> datruth_: I wouldn't sweat that one either.
[17:22] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update , then, sudo apt-get upgrade , Scunizi
[17:23] <datruth_> ahh I see
[17:23] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:23] <datruth_> alright then thought it was an issue that needed to be addressed before it got worse
[17:23] <BluesKaj> also sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will keep your kde version up to date
[17:23] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: you mean with new point releases?
[17:24] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: I thought that was done through backports or someplace
[17:24] <Scunizi> or PPA's
[17:24] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  I don't run that string , in case there's someting in the update that I don't want and so i can see what's going to be upgraded
[17:24] <SpenseWilde_> BluesKaj, Typing "rfkill list all" yields no results at all.
[17:25] <SpenseWilde_> BluesKaj, Also, trying to activate the driver from the Restricted Drivers gives me an error in Jockey.log.
[17:25] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: I've never run into that situation.. mostly for my production desktop.  no additional servers loaded like apache etc.
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  no matter , i ike to see what's being updated :)
[17:26] <BluesKaj> Scunizi,  , but it's your choice
[17:26] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: how to you reference what is in the list for dist-upgrade prior to actually upgrading?
[17:27] <BluesKaj> by just running the upgrade , before saying "Y"
[17:28] <BluesKaj> I have all my apt commands aliased , so it's nor biggie
[17:28] <Scunizi> ah.. even using that string in a bash_aliases file I still get quired (sp?) to enter "Y" with each section of upgrade.
[17:30] <BluesKaj> SpenseWilde_,  what wifi card? , lspci | grep -i net
[17:31] <BluesKaj> oops , wrong command SpenserWilde '
[17:31] <datruth_> looks like in kubuntu ive lost my virtualbox
[17:31] <datruth_> and I can't seem to install the .deb from the site
[17:31] <datruth_> ;/
[17:31] <Scunizi> datruth_: what happens?  I've not had that issue
[17:33] <Scunizi> datruth_: are you installing by trying to double click the deb? if it doesn't then the execute bit is probably not set. Right mouse click > Permissions or use CLI and sudo +x <file_name.deb>
[17:34] <datruth_> i get he install logo
[17:34] <datruth_> it pretends to install
[17:34] <datruth_> but does nothing
[17:34] <datruth_> so i've done apt-get install virtualbox
[17:34] <datruth_> hoping i can override it
[17:35] <BluesKaj> datruth_,  open a terminal in the folder with deb file , then sudo dpkg -i nameof.deb , or whatever the name is
[17:35] <Scunizi> datruth_: that command gives you a different version of vbox without usb support and other things.. you'll have to uninstall that prior to installing the .deb.. you might also have to install build-essential if you haven't done so already.. also install dkms
[17:35] <Scunizi> datruth_: BluesKaj's way typically will also work if the extra packages are not needed.
[17:36] <BluesKaj> it's just the generic dpkg install command
[17:36] <Scunizi> yep
[17:37] <BluesKaj> if VB needs other associate apps then that's  another story
[17:44] <datruth_> cool thx got it installed
[17:47] <Scunizi> datruth_: with the dpkg command only??
[17:59] <datruth_> Scunizi: yes
[18:00] <datruth_> I uninstalled the previous virtualbox version
[18:00] <datruth_> and reinstalled the new version with the above command
[18:18] <BluesKaj> BBL
[18:34] <secforus_ehansen> Is Kubuntu a rolling release now?
[18:38] <James147> secforus_ehansen: no, and it never will be
[18:39] <secforus_ehansen> James147, so it's going to stick with the same 6-month RC its always had?
[18:40] <James147> secforus_ehansen: yup... though they have introduced upgradeing some packages (like firefox) during the release cycle
[18:41] <secforus_ehansen> James147, thanks!  Makes me glad to know not all Ubuntu-derivatives are going that way.
[18:41] <James147> secforus_ehansen: which ones are?
[18:42] <secforus_ehansen> James147, not sure to be honest, I've only really used Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but I remember reading a while ago Ubuntu was going on a rolling release, so I was worrying all the derivatives were as well
[18:42] <jessie> secforus_ehansen: I believe Mintt is.
[18:43] <James147> secforus_ehansen: since ubuntu and kubuntu are effectivly they same (they share the same repos and base system... just have diffent packages installed) kubuntu will always follow ubuntu release cycle.... though I dont see why ubuntu would switch to a rolling release
[18:44] <James147> secforus_ehansen: are you sure you wernt reason something that was talking about ubuntu updating `some` packages after a release?
[18:45] <secforus_ehansen> I don't think Mint is, but I could be wrong.  I'm sure, though, on what I read.  It was just in talks when the articles were made, so it wasn't anything set in stone, but they were talking about Ubuntu wanting to go on a rolling release
[18:47] <metap0d> HI everyone, I freshly installed kubuntu 11.10 on my laptop and used muon to update my system. It froze at 53% after an hour of waiting so I hard reset.
[18:47] <James147> secforus_ehansen: I don't see that happeneing... ubuntu gets most of its money from supprot contracts... which is much easier to do with a fixed release cycle
[18:48] <James147> metap0d: the update froze or your system froze?
[18:48] <metap0d> only the update
[18:48] <metap0d> it actually happened yesterday too, i tried reformatting with kubuntu again and same thing
[18:48] <secforus_ehansen> James147, that makes sense.  It might've been a rumor that caught on, like usual.
[18:49] <metap0d> except yesterday it froze at 52%, not 53%
[18:49] <James147> metap0d: run the update on command line and see what it says (sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade)
[18:49] <metap0d> anyways ... every time i try to launch the muon package manager it crashes with a segmentation fault :(
[18:49] <metap0d> yeah i did
[18:49] <James147> metap0d: and what did it say?
[18:50] <metap0d> right after the crash when I restarted .. it told me to run something like sudo dpkg --configure -a or something
[18:50] <metap0d> after doing that then running sudo apt-get update ... it downloaded/installed some more stuffed
[18:50] <metap0d> and was successful
[18:51] <metap0d> everything seems to work fine now ... except the software manager crashes every time
[18:52] <James147> metap0d: try purging and reinstalling it... "sudo apt-get purge <package name>"
[18:54] <metap0d> dumb question James ... but how do I find out its package name? I tried right clicking on it in the menu to see if there was a target like windows
[18:56] <James147> metap0d: its probally muon ^^ but "apt-file <file>" will tell you what package file belongs to
[18:57] <James147> ^^ no wait... cannot remember the syntax of apt-file :p
[18:58] <JumpJiveAndHail> Howdy all.  I've got KDE on top of Ubuntu Server LTE (10.04) and I can't get wireless networking to work for the life of me.
[18:58] <metap0d> i tried removing/reinstalling 'muon' but it was only 300kb
[19:01] <BluesKaj> MetaBot,  muon in it's latest offering is buggy ...had at least 20 complaints about it crashing in the last few days . forget muon , use adept or synaptic or better yet apt-get in the terminal
[19:02] <BluesKaj> oops too late
[19:24] <JumpJiveAndHail> Folks, can I get some help setting up my wireless network connection?
[19:27] <James147> JumpJiveAndHail: What problem are you having with it?
[19:28] <JumpJiveAndHail> Kubuntu detects my wireless card, on wlan0.  Network manager finds the local network -- Belkin... It's using WPA/WPA2, and I've typed in the passkey.  It still doesn't connect to the network.
[19:29] <secforus_ehansen> Using AES or TKIP for encryption?
[19:30] <JumpJiveAndHail> I am not sure which.
[19:32] <secforus_ehansen> Check your router's wireless settings.  TKIP can sometimes cause issues with connectivity
[19:32] <JumpJiveAndHail> I'll try mucking with that, thank you.
[19:32] <secforus_ehansen> Also, are you able to connect wirelessly using any other devices like laptop or smartphone?
[19:33] <JumpJiveAndHail> I can connect using other laptops (Windows machines).
[19:33] <JumpJiveAndHail> & can connect when I boot into Windows XP on this laptop.
[19:33] <secforus_ehansen> Probably the TKIP/AES issue as said, or your settings are incorrect somewhere in the wireless config
[19:38] <JumpJiveAndHail> The encryption type is AES.
[19:38] <secforus_ehansen> For fun switch over to TKIP
[19:43] <JumpJiveAndHail> Do I need to specify the BSSID in Network Manager?
[19:45] <secforus_ehansen> Not sure, I wanna say yes
[19:47] <nino> ciao a tutti
[19:47] <BluesKaj> !it | nino
[19:55] <JumpJiveAndHail> Ok.  When I mouse over Network Manager in the tray, it shows my network, a green icon, and a full blue bar.  Does this mean I'm connected after all, and the issue is elsewhere?
[19:57] <BluesKaj> yes, I think so . altho I haven't used wifi in a while . JumpJiveAndHail
[19:59] <Sune__> Does anyone know how I can set the display screen rotation to also work with the login screen?
[20:00] <BluesKaj> did you enter your wep or wpa-psk pwd and does the NM gui indicate a connection , JumpJiveAndHail?
[20:03] <BluesKaj> Sune__,  I beleive that only works with the virtual desktops
[20:03] <JumpJiveAndHail> I've entered my wpa-psk key; the gui appears to indicate a connection.
[20:04] <Sune__> I hope not, otherwise my login will forever be upside down : /
[20:04] <BluesKaj> can you surf to a website , JumpJiveAndHail?
[20:05] <Sune__> is there a way to set the default destop rotation to load previous to the user select prompt?
[20:07] <John-_-Oneill> hello, does anyone use monodevelop here ?
[20:11] <JumpJiveAndHail> No, I can't.  I think I'm going to connect via a wired connection to install Wireless Assistant and see if that gets me anywhere.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> JumpJiveAndHail,  which wifi chip ?
[20:13] <rg12_> hey guys... anyone knows how to configure the mouse movement so it behaves more or less like in windows? I just can't get used to the acceleration and precision of the mouse on linux. i have to use both win7 and linux (kubuntu) and there's a difference
[20:13] <JumpJiveAndHail> It's an Intel Centrino Ultimate-N Series 802.11
[20:14] <rg12_> i've tried playing with the settings like acceleration multiplier and thereshould but couldn't manage to achieve something good
[20:15] <JumpJiveAndHail> Sorry, Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 (3x3)
[20:16] <BluesKaj> JumpJiveAndHail,  sudo modprobe iwlagn
[20:17] <soee> BluesKaj, hi got one question
[20:17] <soee> any idea why when running dolphin as root im loosing sound in my system?
[20:17] <soee> but notifications works in dolphin
[20:18] <BluesKaj> soe do you kubuntu sounds or just audio in general , soee ?
[20:18] <BluesKaj> mean
[20:18] <soee> BluesKaj, no audio in movies, cant play mp3 etc
[20:19] <JumpJiveAndHail> I entered that, however there was no response in the terminal window.
[20:19] <BluesKaj> are you opening your ~/music folder with root permissions , soee ?
[20:20] <BluesKaj> JumpJiveAndHail,  that's good , now try to connect altho a reboot might be in order first
[20:21] <rg12_> looks like the mouse on windows accelerates based only on a multiplier and has no thereshold
[20:21] <rg12_> so the speed is proportional
[20:22] <soee> BluesKaj, i cant play music files from dolphin running as root nor with normal user
[20:23] <BluesKaj> soee,  have you setup alsamixer and pulseaudio in phonon , if pulse is installed
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ?
[20:23] <soee> BluesKaj, normally ihave sound - no problem with that
[20:23] <rg12_> only thing i know is that on linux my medium-quality mouse moves like a 200dpi cheap china mouse
[20:23] <soee> just when i run kdesudo dolphin
[20:24] <soee> my sound is gone :o
[20:24] <BluesKaj> soee,  strange , I have no idea , sorry :)
[20:24] <BluesKaj> :(
[20:25] <BluesKaj> gotta go ...errands to run before the next storm hits us ..bb in an hr or so.
[20:25] <soee> BluesKaj, yeah i know its strange :/ this root things are strange,
[20:27] <JumpJiveAndHail> Hmm.  No luck.
[20:27] <JumpJiveAndHail> Thanks much for your help, though, BluesKaj & all.  Got to run.
[20:43] <basso> kubuntu aint that bad
[20:49] <lwizardl> hello
[20:50] <lwizardl> I was wondering how to I tell ktorrent to stop using archive manager for opening files and instead use the one default in the normal click option. I think th default on my system was document viewer but in ktorrent it tried to open them as archives
[21:14] <Martt> hi evrybody
[21:38] <jola> the title bar from all windows disappeared and they can't be resized, and alt+tab doesn't work. why?
[21:38] <jola> the windows don't even come to the foreground after clicking on them
[22:56] <RiotingPacifist> kubuntu doesn't autosuspend when left idle
[23:00] <RiotingPacifist> !help
[23:01] <RiotingPacifist> ubottu is now ignoring my PMs :(
[23:18] <ts2> RiotingPacifist: have you told it to?
[23:21] <RiotingPacifist> ts2:  yes the powersettings should suspend (to ram) after 1 minutes
[23:21] <ts2> and is the power profile active?
[23:23] <RiotingPacifist> ts2: none of the powerprofiles suspend they do dim and blank screen though
[23:29] <ts2> RiotingPacifist: works for me, just tested it
[23:31] <RiotingPacifist> ts2: thanks but I can't seem to find much on how to look into this as suspend,etc do work when clicked in kde i think it might be a polkit problem as i've had problems with that but then why can i susped it "manually" (still via kde not cli)
[23:33] <ts2> there should be no difference, all I can suggest is make sure you have configured which profiles are active when on/off AC etc
[23:33] <RiotingPacifist> ts2: the profiles are correctly configured and I'm specifying my testing profile (suspend after 1 minute) manually
[23:35] <ts2> that's pretty much what I did, but it worked here
[23:35] <hobbes13> i've looked everywhere online //  my top panel keeps dissapearing and moving all around. any suggestions?
[23:37] <hobbes13> is this a bug?
[23:50] <RiotingPacifist> honik: is it set to disapear (unlock it click the configure icon, more settings, visibility -> is it set to windows can cover or auto-hide)


[01:11] <Twiggy2cents> On the latest update, was xvmc removed?
[01:11] <Twiggy2cents> I am on v0.24-150
[01:15] <mrand> Twiggy2cents: it's been a month or three, but yes.
[01:31] <Twiggy2cents> So I have a low end system that xvmc worked perfect on, for hd and sd.  Now none of the profiles produce a good picture.  It blurs bad on hd and a little on sd.  I have a p4 2.8ghz and a geforce 6200.  Previously I had a similar spec'ed ati in there and I changed to the nvidia to see if it would help
[01:31] <Twiggy2cents> There isnt a distinguishable difference in quality on the other playback profiles
[01:31] <Twiggy2cents> Do I have any other option?
[01:58] <mrand> Twiggy2cents: the general recommendation is Nvidia cards that are VDPAU capable.  You can find them used or new, with various decoding capabilities.  The other alternative is that you could compile 0.24 myth yourself and turn xvmc back on.  But you'll be stuck on 0.24 forever, it isn't even a compile option on 0.25.
[01:59] <Twiggy2cents> I have an agp slot.  VDPAU wasnt offered for that.  But I think I found my problem.  I think I lost internet in the middle of an upgrade so I have a half broken mythtv
[02:01] <Twiggy2cents> so I finished my apt-get upgrade and I have packages held back. linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic mythtv-frontend  mythvideo
[02:01] <Twiggy2cents> Any idea why?
[02:33] <mrand> Twiggy2cents: you can do a apt-get dist-upgrade and you can inspect the differences between what it is going to do and what apt-get upgrade is going to do.
[03:12] <patdk-lap> generally it almost works like this
[03:13] <patdk-lap> upgrade = no reboot
[03:13] <patdk-lap> and dist-upgrade = need reboot
[03:13] <patdk-lap> it's not strict, but normally works that way
[03:13] <patdk-lap> unless the exceptions I have seen where *bugs*
[04:40] <rob> !help
[04:40] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
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[04:46] <superm1> Twiggy2cents, actually someone did post to mythtv-users an AGP compatible VDPAU card
[04:47] <superm1> maybe a week or two ago
[05:40] <rhpot1991> patdk-lap: actually dist-upgrade will pull new dependencies which is why his packages are held back
[05:40] <rhpot1991> Twiggy2cents: find a vpdau capable pci card
[05:57] <mycosys> nvidia 8400 came in AGP and pci flavors iirc
[05:58] <mycosys> http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=42&bid=6&sid=61777
[05:58] <Zinn> [www.umart.com.au] Umart Online
[05:59] <mycosys> Twiggy2cents
[05:59] <mycosys> thats the PCI - evga is still distributing it apparently
[06:16] <mycosys> twigg
[06:17] <mycosys> http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=42&bid=6&sid=61777
[06:17] <Zinn> [www.umart.com.au] Umart Online
[06:17] <mycosys> evga make a pci 8400gs
[06:17] <mycosys> still available
[06:18] <mycosys> 8400 would be the only vdpau capable pci card - is the only one that ran an agp bridge too
[13:21] <Twigger> so mycosys a pci vdpau card would suffice?
[13:22] <mycosys> should do - long as you dont want it to be doing too much
[13:22] <mycosys> an 8400 isnt going to be doing advanced deint and inverse telecine
[13:29] <Twigger> would that handle vdpau normal, slim?  Or would I still have to experiment and find what works best?  This computer is pretty much a dedicated backend.  I just watch shows on it once in a blue moon
[13:30] <mycosys> would handle vdpau decode
[13:30] <mycosys> just probably need to set something like bob2x deinterlacing
[13:31] <Twiggy2cents> I sorry I lost internet, I had asked a question
[13:31] <Twiggy2cents> would that handle vdpau normal, slim?  Or would I still have to experiment and find what works best?  This computer is pretty much a dedicated backend.  I just watch shows on it once in a blue moon
[13:33] <mycosys> 12:25:19 AM) mycosys: would handle vdpau decode
[13:33] <mycosys> (12:25:38 AM) mycosys: just probably need to set something like bob2x deinterlacing
[13:34] <Twiggy2cents> ohh okay, I may do that.  Is there any reason to go with evga?  I found a 8400gs from bfg.  Would that work as well?
[13:34] <Twiggy2cents> It has same memory and is only $40
[14:12] <mycosys> you sure it is pci, not pci-e?
[14:12] <mycosys> pcie is cheap as chips
[19:13] <mrand> Anyone know where the miro plugin appears in MCC?  Or if it isn't there, why it might be missing?
[19:19] <rhpot1991> mrand: superm1 already called you blind :)
[19:19] <rhpot1991> mrand: launch from cli, and see if there are errors
[19:19] <superm1> and make sure mythvideo is installed
[19:19] <superm1> i think it comes from there
[19:45] <mrand> rhpot1991: I didn't see that - I guess superm1 did it when I was offline over the weekend (and I do have mythvideo installed, BTW).  Good call on running from the command line though - it is barfing: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/tqJigLfC
[19:45] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.pastebin.com] $ mythbuntu-control-centre WARNING: Error loadin
[19:52] <rhpot1991> mrand: hmmm wonder if your python bindings are out of date or something
[19:55] <mrand> rhpot1991: how would they not be up-to-date if my system is up-to-date?  That isn't something we require users to go install a non-standard version.
[19:59] <rhpot1991> mrand: see if your libmyth-python matches the rest
[20:00] <mrand> rhpot1991: it matches libmythtv-perl, for example:   Installed: 2:0.24.0+fixes.20110222.8ba07a0-0ubuntu0mythbuntu1
[20:02] <rhpot1991> mrand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythtv/+bug/674366
[20:02] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #674366 in mythtv (Ubuntu): “Control Centre using obsolete python bindings for Jamu plugin”
[20:03] <mrand> superm1: so I should upstream ^ ?
[20:58] <sabhain> I am wondering if upgrading or rebuilding is the best path for me.
[20:59] <sabhain> I have just come into possession of an HD-PVR
[21:00] <sabhain> but I'm running 8.0.4 (?LTS?) .. stable for ~3 years.  I think that's myth 0.21.  HD-PVR not included in the Capture Card List.
[21:04] <rhpot1991> sabhain: yep time for an upgrade
[22:07] <shadow__X> i am having an issue where mythbuntu 10.10 does not show any paritions when i try to install
[22:08] <rhpot1991> shadow__X: if I can remember things I may be able to help you
[22:08] <rhpot1991> there was an issue with raid data on drives and the installer ignoring them at one point
[22:10] <rhpot1991> shadow__X: run: dmraid -r
[22:11]  * rhpot1991 checks dates and thinks this may not be the actual issue
[22:14] <shadow__X> hmm well this drive used to be used in a software raid array but i created a partition on it using gparted but it still isnt showing up. ill try dmraid -r now
[22:14] <shadow__X> dmraid reported stuff on my drive
[22:14] <rhpot1991> ok
[22:14] <rhpot1991> if it doesn't need to be used by software raid then remove that, dmraid -rE
[22:16] <shadow__X> awesome. thanks rhpot1991 that worked. i did not realized i had to do that
[22:17] <rhpot1991> shadow__X: cool, ya I hit that in an install looks like about a year ago
[22:17] <rhpot1991> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/461470
[22:17] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #461470 in ubiquity (Ubuntu): “HDD(s) incorrectly detected”
[22:22] <shadow__X> for swap iit needs to be the same size as ram for hibernation right? or is it twice the size
[22:22] <sabhain> rhpot1991: I see in the update manager that I can upgrade straight to 10.04.  My question is what will happen with the settings & database?  Is this a clean thing?
[22:23] <rhpot1991> superm1/mrand/tgm4883: do we have a stance on this ^
[22:24] <rhpot1991> shadow__X: old rule was twice the size, I've seen 1x as fine too
[22:24] <rhpot1991> most likely you can get away without it as well
[22:25] <tgm4883> err
[22:25] <tgm4883> IIRC, it has to be size of RAM + 1MB
[22:25] <sabhain> I've always subscribed to the theory that you get it working and then leave it well enough alone.  So that's what I've done for 3 years.
[22:25] <tgm4883> rule of thumb was usually 1.5X ram, but that was when people had little RAM
[22:26] <tgm4883> I actually run 0 SWAP on my work test box, but only on accident
[22:26] <tgm4883> only time it causes issues is if I exhaust my RAM
[22:26] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, or were you talking about the update manager thing?
[22:27] <tgm4883> sabhain, what version are you running?
[22:27] <shadow__X> i did 2.5gb for 2gb of ram
[22:27] <shadow__X> i plan to use hibernation
[22:27] <shadow__X> i thought that mattered
[22:27] <sabhain> tgm4883, I have a stable install of 8.04 (which I think means mythtv 0.21) that I haven't touched in 3 years.  Just fell into an HD-PVR and want to add that, but it looks like I need to upgrade.
[22:28] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:28] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: upgrade
[22:28] <sabhain> Haven't touched meaning it's worked pretty much flawlessly since then.  We have a bunch of recordings in the database .. not a ton of stuff, but enough that I'd like to maintain if possible.
[22:28] <tgm4883> the database and config files should remain without issue, you can do a db backup if you are worried about that
[22:28] <rhpot1991> you *should* do a db backup before any upgrade
[22:29] <rhpot1991> I'd do that and try
[22:29] <sabhain> perhaps should qualify that it's a "mythbuntu" install .. not an ubuntu w/ mythtv
[22:29] <rhpot1991> sabhain: shouldn't matter in the end
[22:29] <tgm4883> sabhain, that is my recommendation as well, stick on LTS released and use mythtv-updates to keep mythtv up to date
[22:29] <mrand> my experiements with upgrading from 8.04 to 10.04 did not succeed.
[22:29] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, sabhain IIRC, there are a few packaging issues during the upgrade
[22:30] <sabhain> "stick on LTS release" .. you mean go to 10.04 rather than 10.10?
[22:30] <tgm4883> yep
[22:30] <sabhain> does the wiki detail the backup / restore steps?
[22:30] <tgm4883> sabhain, honestly i'd backup the DB, put the recordings on another disk, do a fresh install of 10.04, then restore db
[22:30] <mrand> that's what all of us seem to be doing, although not for any entirely clear reason ;-)
[22:31] <tgm4883> mrand, no real reason to upgrade OS unless you need newer hardware support or having stability issues that are fixed
[22:31] <tgm4883> Especially now that we do mythtv-updates for LTS until next LTS
[22:31] <mrand> tgm4883: yep.  My remote buttons mostly work with current lirc, and going to 10.10 risks me having to spend time that I don't have to get the remote working again.
[22:32] <rhpot1991> eh, I'm in the upgrade every release camp
[22:32] <sabhain> the system areas are on their own drive.  Recordings & videos on their own physical drives as well ..  backing up the database would maintain the links, so long as the mount points remain the same?
[22:32] <mrand> having said that, if you are installing from scratch anyway, I do'nt knwo why you wouldn't start with 10.10
[22:32] <rhpot1991> sabhain: as long as you setup your storage groups to those directories it will find the files
[22:32] <tgm4883> sabhain, I think it's even better than that, links remain as long as you add the dir to the SG
[22:32] <rhpot1991> sabhain: and I'm with tgm4883 on the fresh install, especially with your current partition layout
[22:33] <mrand> And if you're going fresh install, I'd personally at least try 10.10.
[22:33] <mrand> If you run into some trouble (unlikely) you can always start over with 10.04
[22:33] <rhpot1991> and I'm with mrand  on 10.10 unless you have a remote that has issues there
[22:33] <tgm4883> mrand, again, 10.10 is only supported until 12.04, 10.04 supported until longer than that
[22:33] <sabhain> SG will be new for me .. my office mate keeps his stuff more current .. and has described them.  I never had any trouble keeping the NFS mounts straight & working w/ 3 front ends.
[22:33] <rhpot1991> sabhain: storage groups are nice, you will see :)
[22:34] <mrand> except for the startup delay
[22:34] <mrand> which seems to be a "feature"
[22:34] <sabhain> I would also like to move to completely diskless .. now booting to NFS/ using a CF card as boot
[22:34] <tgm4883> startup delay?
[22:34] <shadow__X> rhpot1991: now i am having a problem installing the bootloader
[22:34] <mrand> tgm4883: mythvideo, I think maybe especially with .iso's?
[22:35] <tgm4883> shadow__X, are you using 10.10 or 10.04?
[22:35] <mrand> tgm4883: if he can install 10.10 and get the in-kernel remote working right while he is doing the work now, he won't have to touch it again.
[22:35] <shadow__X> 10.10
[22:35] <tgm4883> shadow__X, hmm, don't know then
[22:35] <mrand> If he goes with 10.04, he WILL have to fart with the remote again someday.
[22:35] <tgm4883> why?
[22:36] <shadow__X> its trying /deb/sda which is right but still i dont understand why its not working
[22:36] <mrand> lirc will eventually go away.
[22:36] <tgm4883> it will go away in 10.04?
[22:36]  * sabhain hopes not .. I've got stability there
[22:36] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: what mrand is referring to is the move to kernel input drivers
[22:36] <rhpot1991> and not lirc
[22:37] <rhpot1991> which started happening in 10.10 and why we saw remote issues there
[22:38] <mrand> no, it will go away next time he upgrades.  But I guess if he waits another 3 years and does another fresh install, it doesn't matter. *shrug*
[22:38] <Patrickdk> kernels >= 2.6.34
[22:39] <tgm4883> i'd say 10.10 has to go 11.04, 11.10, 12.04 where as 10.04 only has to go 10.04 -> 12.04, but i recommend clean installs anyway
[22:39] <sabhain> ISO's don't work in SG's?
[22:39] <tgm4883> sabhain, unencrypted ISO's only
[22:39] <mrand> sabhain: they work fine in 0.24
[22:39] <tgm4883> oh, and apparently ISO's that were ripped in a certain windows program don't work either
[22:40] <mrand> tgm4883: haven't heard that one.
[22:40] <sabhain> what's "windows"?
[22:40] <tgm4883> mrand, yea i saw it on a bug report, dvd shrink or dvd decryptor
[22:40] <sabhain> does 10.04 include 0.24?
[22:41] <mrand> sabhain: nope, you get it by enabling auto-builds
[22:41] <rhpot1991> mrand: I thought it was only unencrypted in 0.24
[22:41] <rhpot1991> unless I missed something
[22:41] <rhpot1991> !iso
[22:41] <Zinn> Storage Groups are a streaming method of transmitting material to a frontend, meaning they don't provide block-level access to the file in question. An ISO is a disk image, and requires block-level access. Upstream has a plan to simulate a block device across the network using NBD for 0.24. Until then you can use the following workaround: http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/7
[22:41] <rhpot1991> sabhain: workaround here ^
[22:41] <mrand> rhpot1991: I guess I always strip encryption
[22:42] <rhpot1991> "Support for (unencrypted) DVD ISOs, VIDEO_TS, and BDMV over storage groups"
[22:42] <sabhain> just looking at that .. but going to 10.04 and using mythtv-updates would get me past that?
[22:42] <rhpot1991> from 0.24 release notes
[22:42] <sabhain> i've always just used ddrescue to make my isos
[22:42] <mrand> rhpot1991: so you somehow rip your DVD, but don't strip the encryption?
[22:43] <rhpot1991> mrand: I don't use iso no more so I dunno
[22:43] <rhpot1991> and my old isos are setup outside of storage groups, suppose I could check them
[22:43] <rhpot1991> and I've done some of them with ddrescue, which will skip over the drm bits but leave the encryption I think
[22:45]  * rhpot1991 updates the article to match that info
[22:50] <sabhain> so the svn links to mythconverg_backup are 404'd
[22:53] <mrand> heh
[22:53] <mrand> sabhain: they work for me (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore points to files on github now)
[22:53] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Database Backup and Restore - MythTV
[22:54] <sabhain> ok .. I was on the mythbuntu wiki .. thanks!
[22:54] <mrand> sabhain: we need to fix that - do you have a quick link?
[22:55] <rhpot1991> I'm pretty sure all our wiki pages are out of date
[22:55] <mrand> Never mind - I think I'll try to reword it to point to the mythtv wiki
[22:55] <sabhain> http://www.mythbuntu.org/upgrading ... in the "clean install, keeping old database" section
[22:55] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Upgrading | Mythbuntu
[23:04] <tgm4883> that page needs updating
[23:25] <superm1> rhpot1991, we dont have a custom recipe for it
[23:25] <superm1> so if it's got a problem, it's part of the regular recipe
[23:28] <rhpot1991> superm1: you mean re updating?
[23:28] <superm1> regarding hibernate
[23:28] <superm1> oh wait you were meaning for the question after weren't you
[23:29] <rhpot1991> I pinged you at the update one
[23:29] <rhpot1991> which we already went over pretty well :)
[23:29] <superm1> in theory the 8.04->10.04 jump should work
[23:31] <mrand> ha
[23:31] <mrand> A month or two ago that my bug on it was still open.  I admit I haven't tried it since forever, but I'm guessing it wouldn't make it.
[23:33] <mrand> sabhain: thanks.  tgm4883, I updated that page
[23:40] <sabhain> np .. thanks for your input mrand/rhpot1991/tgm4883 .. I'll probably do the backup and work up the courage for a reinstall later in the week.
[23:42] <sabhain> I will also try the upgrade 8.04 -> 10.04 first and report back as to the results.  Might be a good data point to have.
[23:42] <mycosys> how hard would it be to strip all recordings from the database on 0.22/jaunty, use it to do setup of an upgrade to 0.24/10.04, then add em back?
[23:45] <mycosys> spose even do a clean install - tho that woudl be a LOT more work lol


[05:25] <pitti> Good morning
[07:07] <pitti> rbasak: so I ran all (but two) of our > 300 autopkgtests on ARM with --ephemeral, and do all my local tests with that, too
[07:07] <pitti> rbasak: I never ran into any issues with it; would you mind much if I add a --clone and make --ephemeral the default?
[07:43] <jibel> Good morning
[08:05] <pitti> utlemming, rbasak: oh, to wrap up my "ancient container contents with trusty cloud images" issue, I didn't use the "daily" argument; that probably got me alpha-1 instead?
[08:19] <jibel> pitti, FTR, notifications for adt are working again
[08:19] <pitti> jibel: yay
[08:27] <pitti> utlemming, rbasak: hm, I just tried that again with "daily" and that still gives me alpha-2
[08:40] <pitti> jibel: FYI, I just tried "sudo HTTP_PROXY=apt lxc-create -t ubuntu -n trusty -- -r trusty" on an ARM node
[08:40] <pitti> jibel: that DTRT and creates a fully working container that will work with autopkgtest 2.7 and doesn't require any further setup
[08:41] <pitti> jibel: and it's only 330 MB instead of the cloud image (640 MB), i. e. less stuff preinstalled which is good for testing
[08:41] <jibel> pitti, \o/ and it is smaller than a cloud image, right?
[08:41] <jibel> :)
[08:41] <jibel> right
[08:42] <pitti> still takes much longer to build of course
[08:42] <jibel> and faster when packages are already cached
[08:42] <pitti> but we can do it on one node and rsync it to the other three
[08:43] <pitti> jibel: perhaps we can sit down at the sprint and turn this into production?
[08:44] <jibel> pitti, sure. I hope that after the system apps project I'll have more time to spend on autopkgtest.
[08:45] <pitti> jibel: at least you need to show me the britney setup; this stuff desperately needs some fixing, I'd like to help you out while you are working on apps
[08:45] <pitti> jibel: so, we won't get bored at the sprint :)
[08:46] <jibel> pitti, I think we need to rethink this interface anyway.
[08:47] <pitti> *nod*
[08:47] <jibel> pitti, it is not complicated but there are lot of case to consider
[08:47] <jibel> +s
[08:48] <veebers> who would I talk to regarding potential apparmor issues?
[08:49] <pitti> veebers: jdstrand and jjohansen
[08:49] <pitti> veebers: tyhicks, too
[08:49] <veebers> pitti: awesome, thanks
[08:56] <rbasak> pitti: the php5 dep8 test reliably fails using adt-virt-lxc and --ephemeral on our internal openstack deployment
[08:56] <rbasak> I have had a 100% success rate reproducing it.
[08:56] <pitti> rbasak: yes, I know, but that seems to be the only one so far?
[08:57] <rbasak> It has the biggest build tree that I know of. And is perhaps a little memory contrained
[08:57] <pitti> rbasak: we can still run with --clone on openstack, but it seems for local use its an option which you always want
[08:57] <rbasak> I suspect it's a race to do with tar. It's because it's tar that I'm so sceptical about changing the default. Feels essential.
[08:57] <pitti> or on our ARM nodes; cloning containers there is rather expensive
[08:58] <pitti> the ARM nodes survived the firefox and mysql-5.5 tests, which are rather sizable too
[08:58] <rbasak> I favour the default being the one least likely to trip you up first, and what people generally want interactively the second.
[08:59] <pitti> rbasak: hmkay
[08:59] <rbasak> So I'd prefer you to use --ephemeral if you want to do so on any automation, since there isn't really any cost to doing that.
[08:59] <rbasak> But, I'm not precious about it. Change it if you feel appropriate - you have to deal with it probably more than I do, and you've been looking after it, so it's your decision. That's just my opinion.
[08:59] <pitti> no, but it's an "always have to specify this" thing if you run it manually
[08:59] <rbasak> Yeah, I don't like the "always have to specify this" thing either. But for me, less likely to trip you up is a higher priority.
[09:00] <pitti> rbasak: btw, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/autopkgtest-arm/adt-php5/
[09:01] <pitti> rbasak: perhaps this trips up due to the "deeper" stack of precise -> KVM -> lxc?
[09:01] <rbasak> pitti: I believe you. It's just on openstack it happens. It's clearly some kind of race, possibly triggered by different memory/cache/buffer contention.
[09:02] <pitti> rbasak: so if I make --ephemeral the default and add a suitable warning to it, would that be ok for you? I don't want to change it if you don't want
[09:03] <rbasak> pitti: in my opinion, we shouldn't change the default. Perhaps we could make it easier, like a one-letter option to do common things that you might want to do? However, if you want to change it anyway, then I'm fine with that. It's not a strong objection.
[09:03] <rbasak> pitti: for example, in rsync, -P is a shortcut for --partial --progress.
[09:04] <pitti> rbasak: ok; I'll add an -e for it at least
[09:04] <rbasak> Sure. That sounds like a good idea.
[09:46] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:15] <pitti> jibel: oh, we could even use lxc-create -t download to use stgraber's daily pre-built ARM trusty images (if we can access images.linuxcontainers.org, or shovel it to the lab in another fashion)
[10:20] <jibel> pitti, I didn't know this template. The lab doesn't have access to this site, but if we can allow it or find a way to pull images into the lab, that should be really fast.
[10:21] <pitti> jibel: well, the 10 mins of building it ourselves per day won't kill us either, but I just read about it and found it very interesting and useful
[10:21] <jibel> right, as you suggested we could as well create a base container on one of the node and sync it to the others
[10:30] <pitti> jibel: it seems the nodes can't currently IP each other, but I guess that can be fixed somehow
[11:55] <pitti> jibel: ah, I'm finally getting adt mail again
[11:56] <pitti> meh, wazn's VMs drive me crazy
[11:56]  * pitti rebuilds the amd64 VM and disables wazn-adt for the time being
[12:08] <pitti> ok, VMs work again, wazn-adt reenabled
[12:25] <elfy> mmm - long time since I had anything to do with an LTS - anyone know if it's normal to set the notify of new version to For Any New Version when upgrading from LTS to LTS
[14:07] <elopio> good morning
[14:08] <elopio> ping rhuddie. Tell me where should I start with the browser today.
[14:09] <rhuddie> hey elopio, I was taking a look at ChromeDriver
[14:09] <rhuddie> elopio, don't know if you have any experience with it already?
[14:10] <elopio> rhuddie: yes, plenty. That's selenium, what we used on SST and the ubuntu one web servers.
[14:10] <elopio> rhuddie: but is it available while using oxide?
[14:11] <rhuddie> elopio, well that is what I was trying to establish...
[14:12] <elopio> rhuddie: I'd just ask the devs.
[14:12] <elopio> rhuddie: where is osomon on IRC?
[14:13] <rhuddie> elopio, I was talking to to him yesterday on #qa
[14:14] <elopio> rhuddie: I think #ubuntu-touch would be better. I'll ping him.
[15:29] <elopio> rhuddie: sorry. That was a long standup in unity, with many followup questions.
[15:30] <rhuddie> elopio, hey no problem
[15:30] <fully_human> Not sure if this is a little off topic, but I was wondering how to use autopilot with PyGObject? It seems as though autopilot translates all Glade objects to Gtk2 (since glade is Gtk2) and I can't seem to find a way to "translate" them into pygobject (since my python code is pygobject and not pygtk2).
[15:30] <elopio> so, osomon said he will check about the web driver.
[15:30] <elopio> ah, crap, and he has just left, I was going to continue asking.
[15:31] <balloons> fully_human, I'm a little confused by your question. But perhaps pitti could shed some light here
[15:31] <elopio> rhuddie: do you have time on friday to meet with thomas strehl? at 14:00 UTC
[15:32] <rhuddie> elopio, yes that time is fine
[15:32] <elopio> jfunk: and you? ^
[15:32] <balloons> fully_human, if you launch your app does in introspect with autopilot properly?
[15:32] <elopio> and jibel ^
[15:32] <jfunk> elopio: in meeting -- will catch up on backscroll later
[15:32] <jfunk> mgr meeting
[15:34] <jibel> elopio, yes it is fine
[15:35] <fully_human> balloons, I've created an interface using glade and am using python as my code base (with pygobject as the library). I'm trying to test using autopilot but the problem I run into is that the objects are all PyGTK2 objects, and not PyGObjects ("Gtk.Window" vs. "GtkWindow"). Not only that, but it's using C's type name (meaning, without the ".").
[15:37] <fully_human> The application *launches* just fine but I have to call select_many with the C Gtk type name and not the PyGObject type name. (select_many('GtkWindow') works while select_many('Gtk.Window') does not)
[15:38] <fully_human> Is there a way to translate the C-type Gtk objects to python GObjects?
[15:38] <fully_human> Sorry, I feel like I'm not asking this correctly and confusing others and myself. :-\
[15:40] <balloons> I think I understand now fully_human.. That said, I don't have an answer for you :-) thomi or pitti or veebers should know it, but none are around atm
[15:41] <fully_human> balloons, Okay,t hanks. :-)
[15:41] <balloons> fully_human, email works well for this stuff
[15:43] <balloons> fully_human, I'd suggest sending something along to ubuntu-quality mailing list.
[15:43] <fully_human> Okay, thanks.
[15:43] <fully_human> Is this a quality question, though since it doesn't deal with the Ubuntu OS?
[15:43] <fully_human> (not yet, at least :-) )
[15:44] <balloons> fully_human, there is also #ubuntu-autopilot. But sure :-)
[15:44] <balloons> autopilot is a qa tool
[15:49] <fully_human> I think I figured out most of my answer with the question "What is a Proxy Object?" in the docs.
[15:50] <balloons> mm.. those work too :-)
[16:28] <pitti> fully_human: no, AP uses GI a little, but in any way autopilot-gtk *only* uses GTK3
[16:28] <pitti> fully_human: we don't support GTK2 at all
[16:28] <pitti> balloons: ^
[16:28] <fully_human> Ah, thanks.
[16:28] <pitti> fully_human: so if your application uses PyGTK, then we don't support that with AP
[16:28] <balloons> ty pitti.. I missed that tidbit he mentioned :-)
[16:28] <balloons> right pygtk = gtk2
[16:29] <pitti> fully_human: also, GTK 2 and pygtk have been abandoned years ago, you shouldn't write new stuff with it
[16:29] <fully_human> pitti, Right...I'm using PyGObject. :)
[16:29] <pitti> fully_human: oh - yes, the type name is still the Gtk name (GtkWindow), not the PyGObject transliteration
[16:29] <fully_human> I discovered that autopilot got what's called a "proxy object."
[16:29] <fully_human> Man, documentation is really helpful if you actually read it! :P
[16:29] <pitti> fully_human: from the POV of autopilot it doesn't know in which language you wrote your app
[16:30] <fully_human> And then doing more research I found that to get an object from a glade file I need to pass in the BuilderName argument to select_single.
[16:30] <pitti> fully_human: Gtk.Object is just between pygobject and gobject-introspection, then everything is translated to the actual libgtk functions
[16:30] <fully_human> Ah, thanks.
[16:30] <pitti> fully_human: yes, that's usually the best way to select an object: select_single(BuilderName="foo")
[16:40] <daz_> Where is this API documented?
[17:34] <elfy> balloons: bu 1274096
[17:34] <elfy> bug 1274096 even
[17:47] <balloons> elfy, we have upgrade tests I believe that we should toggle on
[17:48] <elfy> oh
[17:48] <balloons> oO, I see.. this might be different than what you are saying
[17:48] <balloons> let's go look regardless
[17:48] <elfy> in that case we'd best toggle them on then - I started shouting for our lot too then
[17:48] <balloons> yea.. 14.04 = lts
[17:48] <elfy> yep
[17:49] <elfy> I did one today - left with Prompt=normal as well - so I'm not sure if something that needs turning on with upgrade manager hasn't happened yet
[17:54] <elfy> balloons: oic what you mean - I'm talking about the wording which doesn't check what you get left with after upgrading
[17:55] <balloons> I can't login :-(
[17:55] <elfy> I hate sso ... :p
[17:55] <balloons> yes.. I noticed that after reading the bug a bit
[17:55] <balloons> something about ff hates it
[17:56] <balloons> yes, so I see the testsuite I was thinking of uses the same upgrade casse
[17:56] <balloons> so yes you are correct
[17:57] <elfy> ok - I'm half finished with that - I'll assign it etc and do mp
[17:57] <elfy> but - the other issue then is toggling the lts tests on?
[17:58] <balloons> yes, we need to add one testsuite to test specifically for the upgrade from precise
[17:58] <balloons> we've been in alpha mode, so it's fine to have left it alone for now
[17:58] <balloons> so let's see
[17:58] <elfy> yea - I'm just quick off the mark :p
[17:58] <elfy> or really annoying :)
[18:00] <WebbyIT> balloons, in calc app there are a lot of old bugs related to autopilot mark as triaged, do you have time to veirfy if they are still vaild? Or explain me how to verify it
[18:00] <balloons> WebbyIT, link? and sure
[18:01] <balloons> so I added the upgrade.. I suppose I should include both upgrade tests. I guess it should become it's own entry under upgrade
[18:01] <WebbyIT> balloons, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calculator-app/+bug/1256865
[18:01] <WebbyIT> Thanks :)
[18:02] <WebbyIT> and bug 1256867 and bug 1256869
[18:02] <balloons> yes, old stuff like this can be closed. We should have caught it when we fixed the bugs
[18:02] <balloons> aka me.. since I commented on the cause :-
[18:03] <WebbyIT> Ok, thanks :)
[18:03] <WebbyIT> I mark them as fix released
[18:03] <balloons> I'm marking them as invalid actually
[18:03] <balloons> calc didn't change, it was a bug in mir
[18:03] <WebbyIT> ok
[18:03] <WebbyIT> I don't touch anything then :-)
[18:03] <balloons> assuming i remember it correctly
[18:04] <balloons> thanks for cleaning those up :-)
[18:04] <WebbyIT> I'm doing some earlier spring clean :P
[18:05] <elfy> balloons: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/1274096/+merge/203808
[18:09] <balloons> elfy, so I'm adding "LTS Desktop Upgrade (Precise)" suite for trusty to upgrade tests for ubuntu
[18:11] <balloons> like so: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57251/testcases
[18:12] <balloons> I don't want to automatically add it to all the flavors I don't think
[18:12] <balloons> not all will support lts -> lts (not all shipped lts)
[18:17] <balloons> elfy, can you explain this line a bit more in the test?
Echoes Prompt=normal for non-LTS and Prompt=lts for LTS upgrades

[18:18] <balloons> can we make it less confusing for folks?
[18:18] <balloons> That means more wordy
[18:18] <balloons> hehe
[18:18] <balloons> Also, it looks like spacing is a little off.. *twitch*
[18:24] <elfy> terminal echoes Prompt=normal or Prompt=lts
[18:26] <balloons> elfy something like "if you have installed an LTS release, then:"
[18:26] <elfy> I can make it as blatantly obvious and wordy as you want :p
[18:26] <balloons> elfy, lol.. yes, let's do that
[18:26] <elfy> okey doke if you're sure ...
[18:26] <balloons> ohh biy
[18:26] <balloons> I'm not sure ,I'm not sure!
[18:26] <elfy> had to lose 12000 word from my dissertation ...
[18:26] <elfy> lol
[18:26] <balloons> is it too late?
[18:26] <elfy> no - not done anything at all yet lol
[18:27] <balloons> seriously though, yes I think a little more explaining would be good
[18:27] <elfy> I'm still prevaricating
[18:27] <balloons> *would be useful
[18:27] <balloons> look at me bastardizing English again
[18:27] <elfy> I'll look a bit later - off to school - little one choosing options ...
[18:28] <elfy> I know - it is a S you keep mizzing out :p
[18:28] <balloons> cheers elfy ty
[18:39] <elfy> balloons: the 1310 upgrade is missing the "Proceed in your native language if you wish" bit - I'll add that as well
[18:39] <elfy> bbl
[20:08] <balloons> afternoon Letozaf_
[20:08] <balloons> morning veebers :-)
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[20:08] <veebers> Hi balloons o/
[20:10] <elfy> balloons: I'm back and it's pushed again
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, do calendar app tests work ? what I mean is that on my PC I have 8 tests failing :O
[20:19] <balloons> elfy, ty
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, they should be working
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, :? maybe I've got something wrong on my PC
[20:20] <balloons> sorry if I'm a bit slow.. I just took a big hit to the head.. :-(
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( ouch!
[20:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, for instance http://paste.ubuntu.com/6839921/
[20:21] <balloons> Letozaf_, fully updated?
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, let me check though
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, never know
[20:25] <Letozaf_> balloons, to make it simplier I just re-branched ubuntu-calendar-app and got the same error
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, If I wanted to cancel all the data and start from a pristine environment, wasn't the directory ~/.local/share//com.ubuntu.calendar/Databases the one to cancel ?
[20:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, I haven't got it :?
[20:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, the directory is correct
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, oO then how come I haven't got it :?
[20:35]  * Letozaf_ thinks there's something weired on her PC
[20:37] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's not that I want the tests to run at any cost on my PC, but I was wondering if it's a locale problem, that error sounds familiar to me
[20:38] <balloons> Letozaf_, it will be created when you ru nthe app
[20:38] <balloons> if you don't have one
[20:38] <balloons> Letozaf_, i agree that it seems like the locale error is still occuring
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will try to run the tests on my notebook, just in case ...
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, same error also on my notebook
[20:55] <knome> stgraber, tracker visual updates? :)
[21:14] <Letozaf_> balloons, I have a bug I think https://plus.google.com/photos/110772571847074999454/albums/5974426967349405889?authkey=CJH6tpHdxICPXQ you cannot see the evernote account when you launch reminders app on a device
[21:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, did you add it?
[21:16] <balloons> or are you talking about the text going offscreen
[21:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes in settings, accounts
[21:17] <balloons> because that's a bug too it seems :-)
[21:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, you cannot see the account label
[21:17] <balloons> Letozaf_, turning the phone sideways help?
[21:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, but if you tap on it it enters the account
[21:17] <balloons> oH
[21:17] <balloons> gotcha
[21:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, should I report a bug or is it "too early" as it's a "new app"
[21:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, no report it. .it's in the store and released
[21:20] <balloons> are you running the newest image?
[21:20] <balloons> and newest store release
[21:20] <balloons> of the app that is
[21:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, I just updated the device I've got r152
[21:21] <balloons> ahh.. you are running proposed then or stable?
[21:21] <balloons> I believe 152 would be proposed atm
[21:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, proposed
[21:22] <knome> balloons, ping
[21:22] <balloons> hey knome
[21:22] <knome> we need to look at QA logos
[21:22] <balloons> the check mark in the circle of friends?
[21:23] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1311-quality-bugsquad
[21:23] <knome>  [knome] Help update the QA team logos to fit the Ubuntu Brand Guidelines: TODO
[21:23] <balloons> hmm.. indeed
[21:25] <balloons> so first things would be how many and what logos do we have / use
[21:25] <balloons> I can think of a few off the top.. and they do need updating
[21:25] <knome> yep
[21:25] <knome> well one of them is the hideous old ubuntu logo with the green checkmark
[21:25] <knome> if you remember, i even did a new logo for you earlier
[21:25] <knome> let me dig it up and upload
[21:26] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/qa/qa-final.svg
[21:31] <balloons> yes.. That logo should be appearing in places now
[21:31] <knome> good
[21:31] <balloons> for instance; https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests
[21:31] <knome> one place i still see the old logo is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-qa-website-devel
[21:31] <balloons> although, I just noticed it's cut off a little
[21:32] <balloons> ugh.. that logo :-p
[21:32] <knome> i can't see that (cut off)
[21:33] <knome> hmm, go google
[21:34]  * knome wrote: bugsuqs, google suggested "bugsquad"
[21:34] <balloons> ok, I'll change the branding on those
[21:34] <knome> possibly want to extend to ~bugsquad too
[21:34] <balloons> yes, ty
[21:35] <balloons> so branding wants 14x14, 64x64 and 192x192
[21:35] <knome> want me to exporT?
[21:35] <balloons> yea, if you could.. that'd make it simple
[21:35] <knome> btw, 192x192 is unused...
[21:35] <balloons> heh.. I've not seen it
[21:35] <balloons> mostly 64x64..
[21:36] <balloons> not sure I've seen the 14x14 much
[21:37] <knome> it's used quite a lot
[21:38] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs
[21:38] <knome> under "member since"
[21:38] <balloons> ahh.. cool
[21:39] <knome> oh bah, will take some time
[21:39] <knome> will poke the icon size a bit, direct export is too fluffy
[21:43] <balloons> knome, sorry I'll bbl. I'm not feeling so well atm
[21:43] <knome> ok, np
[21:44] <knome> i'll PM you the links
[21:44] <balloons> ty
[21:44] <knome> get well soon :)


[01:48] <guest70> Hi is there anyone here?
[06:46] <hp> hi
[15:46] <manan> Hey
 someone kick "The_LoudSpeaker" from irc. So I can join in from web.
 I am currenty active from "The_LoudSpeaker8"
[21:02] <The_LoudSpeaker8> Thanks! wxl:
[21:02] <The_LoudSpeaker8> Please do the same for devel and offtopic.


[01:39] <Me> hello
[01:40] <Guest37077> I tried to install Google chrome but it is unresponsive.  Do you know why
[10:43] <nicolas> Hi i have Lubuntu 14.04 for few days ... does someone could explain the way step by step to charge thunderbird?
[12:05] <FmX> guys my external video card stop working, do i need to update drivers for my internal video card on motherboard ?
[23:11] <dust> https://archive.fosdem.org/2015/schedule/event/vlc/attachments/slides/751/export/events/attachments/vlc/slides/751/vlc202.pdf
[23:12] <dust> i hope vlc is going to be the standard media player with lxqt


[19:00] <rbasak> o/
[19:00] <rbasak> Who's here?
[19:00] <rbasak> I see no applications today, so there are just some outstanding action items.
[19:07] <cyphermox> o/