[09:55] <SleepySocks> hi ladydoor, according to this, its today for knot2  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[09:56] <brentdax> Madeye: Don't waste much space on a swap file.  The sorts of loads that servers see basically mean that if it starts swapping, it's already lost.
[09:56] <fyrestrtr> ossie: then just type this mysql -u root -p (hit enter, it will ask for a password, hit enter -- don't type anything, just hit enter)
[09:56] <kjm> Although, starting a "swap = 1.5*Physical memory is not a debate I need/want to start.
[09:56] <kjm> kmasta : no problem
[09:56] <Madeye> brent, 5GB is reasonable ?
[09:56] <SleepySocks> I was wondering if anyone has heard.
[09:56] <qatsi> brb
[09:56] <sethk> brentdax, depends on the number of users and the amount of ram.  I wouldn't say that is a generally true statement
[09:56] <kmasta> kjm: sometimes i just need things spelled out for me
[09:56] <fyrestrtr> SleepySocks: it would be wise to ask in #ubuntu+1
[09:56] <gnomefreak> 5 gigs of ram you dont *need* any swap
[09:56] <kjm> kmasta : don't we all from time to time :)
[09:56] <sethk> Madeye, 5 gb is a lot
[09:57] <SleepySocks> Kinda funny a bot on channel channed sent me a private message with the link to that release schedule - cool..
[09:57] <Hexidigital_> ossie::  try using your sudo password... mysql -u root -p {enter} {enter password}
[09:57] <ossie> fyrestrtr, definatley doesnt work,,,, i haveinstalled and used mysql before, but cant remeber how i did it last time, it is asking for a password this time though
[09:57] <kmasta> kjm: tru dat
[09:57] <ossie> cheers K
[09:57] <ossie> cheers Hexidigital_
[09:57] <_lupine> compile 5 revisions of KDE from source (in parallel) and then say that ;)
[09:57] <ajhtiredwolf> hey, could anyone help me with my ati drivers?
[09:57] <fyrestrtr> ossie: again, when it asks you for a password, just hit enter. If that doesn't work, then you have set a password and you must go through the steps in resetting it.
[09:57] <sethk> Madeye, unless you have hundreds of users, you probably won't need swap
[09:57] <ladydoor> !anyone
[09:57] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:57] <_lupine> but yes, for normal use 5GB is more than enough to do without swap
[09:58] <_lupine> might as well have a bit though, just in case
[09:58] <sethk> Madeye, swap can also be added using the normal file system, although the access speed for that type of swap is a lot slower
[09:58] <micahcowan> someone remind me how to get reverse-depends on a package?
[09:58] <ossie> i think i might just unistall and reinstall might be easier i think
[09:58] <_lupine> (since you've presumably got a few TB of disc space spare ;) )
[09:58] <ossie> thanks for yoru help though guys
[09:58] <fyrestrtr> I don't know about that, my 2GB RAM machine hits the swap a lot, especially when running two or more java applications.
[09:58] <sethk> Madeye, but normal file system swap is ok as a just in case type of thing
[09:58] <Madeye> sethk, seems I should read more on partioning heh
[09:59] <sethk> Madeye, possibly.  the other thing is, if you have a ton of disk space, there isn't much cost to saving a chunk for swap
[09:59] <kjm> If you have 5 GB on physical drive to spare, it wouldn't hurt to partition out that much swap.
[09:59] <kjm> ^_^ What he said
[09:59] <_lupine> ^^^ what they said ^^^ ;)
[09:59] <Madeye> Well
[09:59] <ajhtiredwolf> I just convert part of my disk to fat32 and use that as swap
[09:59] <Madeye> Thank you guys, you were really helpful :-)
[09:59] <_lupine> ?!
[10:00] <fyrestrtr> ajhtiredwolf: swap is its own partition type.
[10:00] <_lupine> what happened to 0x82 ?
[10:00] <kjm> You can't use fat32 as swap .. .. . swap is swap.
[10:00] <ajhtiredwolf> I mean as a swap drive
[10:00] <fyrestrtr> ajhtiredwolf: you can't do that either.
[10:00] <ladydoor> ajhtiredwolf: swap is a different filesystem
[10:00] <ajhtiredwolf> heh, i dont think you get what im saying
[10:00] <kjm> still no.   You need to allocate x GB as SWAP, which has its own filesystem
[10:00] <ajhtiredwolf> I use it to "swap" files between linux and windows
[10:00] <fyrestrtr> unless you mean swap as in 'I'll save files there to swap between windows and linux'
[10:00] <ajhtiredwolf> yes
[10:00] <Intangir> ajhtiredwolf: ya you can do that
[10:01] <ladydoor> ajhtiredwolf: ah. that's not "swap," that's "shared"
[10:01] <SleepySocks> can't wait for zfs filesystem
[10:01] <kjm> ah, well.  Then, yes :)
[10:01] <Intangir> also i heard of a program on windows that reads ext3
[10:01] <ajhtiredwolf> lol, I use the word swap :-P
[10:01] <sewi> hello, where can I find xfonts-base-transcoded package with fixed fonts? In previous releases this package was present but in dapper I cannot find it in repositories. Any idea?
[10:01] <ladydoor> SleepySocks: whats's zfs
[10:01] <ladydoor> ajhtiredwolf: meh
[10:01] <_lupine> aaargh, self definitions ;)
[10:01] <ompaul> SleepySocks, please go to #ubuntu+1 for edgy stuff
[10:01] <nagyv_> I have just installed ubuntu breezy on an old IBM thinkpad 600. To be able to upgrade it I should find out the MAC address of its pcmcia ethernet card. (It has to be registered with the firewall.) How can I do this?
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> sewi: apt-cache search should help
[10:01] <Nutubuntu> Ruby on rails question -- should I install rails via Synaptic? or via rubygems "gem instlal rails -y" ? Or does it even matter which?
[10:01] <kjm> Intangir : Yes, windows has an ext3 driver.  But, it is quite unstable, and I don't think you get write permissions with it.
[10:01] <lamego> Intangir, google.com ext2 windows
[10:01] <ajhtiredwolf> So hey does anyone know about ATI drivers in here? Getting them to work heh.
[10:01] <fyrestrtr> nagyv_: ifconfig -a
[10:01] <lamego> kjm, it is stable and you do have write permissions with it
[10:01] <sethk> ladydoor, zfs is a new nifty file system in solaris 10
[10:02] <Intangir> whats different about zfs?
[10:02] <fyrestrtr> ajhtiredwolf: what about them?
[10:02] <ladydoor> sethk: ah
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> ajhtiredwolf,  all i know i leaned from the !ati bot url
[10:02] <sethk> gladydz meaning zettabyte
[10:02] <nagyv_> fyrestrtr: thx
[10:02] <sethk> ?
[10:02] <SleepySocks> hang on ladydoor, I'll get a link.
[10:02] <kjm> lamego : Alright.  ty.  Haven't used it in awhile.  Last I tried ext3 support on windows, it wasn't.
[10:02] <sewi> fyrestrtr: I've done this and there are not there, on the ubuntu packages this package is only for releases previous than dapper
[10:02] <ajhtiredwolf> well I am actually running fedora at the moment, but its the same installing them with ubuntu and fedora right?
[10:02] <sethk> I meant z meaning zettabyte.  must have hit tab there  :)
[10:02] <sethk> ajhtiredwolf, same binary drivers, yes
[10:03] <SleepySocks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs
[10:03] <fyrestrtr> ajhtiredwolf: not really, they are the same drivers, but the install process is a bit different.
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> ajhtiredwolf,  fedora is rpm based... and ubuntu is apt based. :P so other then being completely diffrent systems.. its the same. :)
[10:03] <lamego> ajhtiredwolf, but the install process is not the same
[10:03] <mots> hello, i want to install ubuntu server, how much Harddiskspace does the default server install need?
[10:03] <ajhtiredwolf> well id ask them in #fedora... but they are evil over there :P
[10:03] <fyrestrtr> mots: I believe 5 GB
[10:03] <SleepySocks> you know how apples new lepaord is suppose to have a time machine feature built into the filesystem...that what zfs can do
[10:03] <lamego> 5 GBs is for the desktop :P
[10:03] <fyrestrtr> ajhtiredwolf: try your luck in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:04] <ajhtiredwolf> fyretrtr: i'll give it a go
[10:04] <SleepySocks> bye everyone...
[10:04] <_lupine> Dr_Willis: apt-rpm + synaptic
[10:05] <_lupine> problem solved
[10:05] <fyrestrtr> you know, I have tried in vain to get sun to allow me to download solaris 10 -- they just won't let me. How does that work in their 'open source' strategy?!
[10:05] <klassicd> does anyone else just see HTML text on this page
[10:05] <klassicd> http://saaboc1.reachlocal.net/
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> _lupine,  blasphmy! :)
[10:05] <Tom__> Hi, When I try Gnomebaker in Ubuntu, it says that a plugin is missing for audio/mp3. Any idea?
[10:05] <_lupine> :D
[10:05] <fyrestrtr> Tom__: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> fyrestrtr,  i downloaded it.. it stank. :P
[10:06] <Tom__> Thanks. Looking
[10:06] <fyrestrtr> Dr_Willis: does it come with the java sun desktop?
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> fyrestrtr,  no idea - i ran it for like 3 days.. and hated it..   I  cant even rember what desktop it used.. CDE i thought.
[10:07] <naa> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/  <-- ubuntu always wins
[10:07] <pianoboy3333> Does anyone here have experience with acid rip?
[10:07] <jbroome> when i was in college
[10:07] <jbroome> oh wait, that was ripped on acid
[10:08] <_lupine>  is the guy who was looking for 'ar' still here?
[10:08] <_lupine>  it's in binutils
[10:08] <finalbeta> Arg, I'm getting so sick of this. Sometimes my desktop becomes semie unresponsive. I can still do stuff in programs, but I can't switch betwene programs. Windows no longer move/minimize/maximise.
[10:08] <micahcowan> that was quintin, _lupine
[10:08] <micahcowan> and yeah, I already told him :p
[10:08] <_lupine> oh, ok :)
[10:08] <finalbeta> I've poster like 10 bugs already, and only one had a useless reply
[10:08] <ladydoor> finalbeta: what wm/de do you use?
[10:08] <_lupine> cba to read the backscroll
[10:08] <fyrestrtr> finalbeta: are you running xgl?
[10:08] <mots> so noone knows, how much space the server install takes?
[10:09] <_lupine> mots: around 500MB
[10:09] <_lupine> erm, I'll just check
[10:09] <_lupine> sorry, no. 1.9GB
[10:09] <fyrestrtr> hah told you it was close to 5 GB :P
[10:09] <micahcowan> finalbeta, hopefully 10 bugs on different issues, right? Don't lose hope. There are 50k bugs, and only a couple hundred folks on the bug squad. It takes a while to get to some things.
[10:09] <admin_> whats a good, easy graphical backup program?
[10:09] <mots> 2GB?
[10:09] <finalbeta> Yep 10 diffrend issues
[10:10] <_lupine> (at least, that's what my server is at right now. Obviously, "some" is given to other stuff - but not a great deal)
[10:10] <finalbeta> I'm using gnome, not running xgl
[10:10] <mots> well, i'll take debian network install then
[10:10] <micahcowan> finalbeta, ooc, what version of ubuntu?
[10:10] <synic> finalbeta: you using nfs or samba or anything?
[10:10] <_lupine> call it 2GB and you'll definitely get a semi-minimal server install into it
[10:10] <kmasta> when i type "chmod +x ati-driver-installer-8.27.10-x86_64.run ./ati-driver-installer-8.27.10 --buildpkg Ubuntu/dapper" it says "chmod: unrecognized option `--buildpkg'"
[10:10] <admin_> whats a good, easy graphical backup program?
[10:10] <ladydoor> !repeat
[10:10] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:10] <hansheng> edgy flash plugin can't view?
[10:10] <mots> _lupine: i only want to have a kernel and apt
[10:10] <ladydoor> hansheng: #ubuntu+1
[10:10] <lamego> kmasta, because you don't know what you are doing, chmod is a single command :)
[10:10] <finalbeta> micahcowan, ubuntu dapper 6.06 fully patched , synic not at the moment.
[10:10] <mots> i want to install freevo on it
[10:11] <fyrestrtr> kmasta: put && between .run and ./
[10:11] <opexoc> About some other distro ( maybe someone knows ): Does Slackware support some program which can satisfy dependencies of package which we would like to install ?
[10:11] <micahcowan> finalbeta, ooc, what's your launchpad acct name?
[10:11] <kmasta> OH WAIT, misread something
[10:11] <finalbeta> micahcowan, finalbeta
[10:11] <fyrestrtr> finalbeta: how much ram, how much hard disk, what kind of video driver?
[10:11] <admin_> whats a good, easy graphical backup program?
[10:11] <ladydoor> opexoc: isn't there a #slackware channel?
[10:11] <_lupine> TBH, not much difference between debian-2.6 kernel and ubuntu server dists
[10:11] <_lupine> ..except debian has webmin!
[10:11] <_lupine> mots: debootstrap is what you want then
[10:11] <_lupine> 200MB
[10:11] <opexoc> ladydoor: ok
[10:11] <mots> well
[10:11] <mots> sounds good
[10:11] <fyrestrtr> !backup > admin_
[10:11] <ossie> Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) kepp getting this but i definatley set no password
[10:12] <micahcowan> finalbeta, j-greenhouse?
[10:12] <lamego> !backup > lamego
[10:12] <finalbeta> fyrestrtr, it's ati, but I don't believe it's the video driver, I can still work inside the current program, just can't switch between programs. Windows are unresponsive.
[10:12] <finalbeta> micahcowan, yes
[10:12] <ladydoor> admin_: please quit with the repeating. as ubotu said, if nobody knows, nobody will answer you
[10:12] <colapso> hola
[10:12] <fyrestrtr> ossie: where do you get that?
[10:12] <ossie> from the terminal fyrestrtr
[10:12] <fyrestrtr> ossie: using which command?
[10:12] <_lupine> you'll get the very basics - of course, if you want even more minimal, you could probably fit it onto 32MB
[10:12] <ossie> sudo mysql -u root -p
[10:13] <fyrestrtr> ossie: no sudo
[10:13] <ossie> I tried adding my user to the mysql group and it still dont work
[10:13] <finalbeta> fyrestrtr, the freesing of windows is on a dell inspiron 8200 laptop 40 gig , 512Mb ram. Restarting x server fixes it.
[10:13] <ossie> dont work without sudo either fyrestrtr
[10:13] <Nutubuntu> I have a ruby on rails question -- should I install rails via Synaptic? or via rubygems "gem instlal rails -y" ? Or does it even matter which?
[10:13] <ossie> whoops
[10:13] <ossie> i did set password and i just remembered it
[10:13] <fyrestrtr> ossie: then you have set a password.
[10:13] <ossie> sorry for the time wasting guys
[10:13] <ossie> cheers fyrestrtr
[10:14] <fyrestrtr> okay, next time -- do something ... like remember passwords :P
[10:15] <colapso> hola
[10:15] <finalbeta> I think it's a gnome problem. just like this one : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/56359
[10:15] <fyrestrtr> finalbeta: it happens randomly you say?  Activate the system monitor applet, and watch the hard disk sensor when this happens, if you hard disk is spinning like crazy, increase your swap amount.
[10:16] <DogZern> Possible to install Ubuntu without using a LiveCD at all?
[10:17] <erUSUL> !alternate
[10:17] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-installation CD, with no live session. Use this if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an expert install.
[10:17] <jrib> DogZern: you can use the alternate cd
[10:17] <fyrestrtr> finalbeta: on my system with 512 RAM, 1 GB swap, 80 GB hdd and ATI card, swap gets hit a *lot*
[10:17] <NickGarvey> what is the command for the installer on the live cd?
[10:17] <mots> does anyone know a good howto for debootstrap
[10:17] <_lupine> contrarily, my Kubuntu with 512MB RAM and 2.5GB swap gets almost no swapping at all
[10:17] <fyrestrtr> mots: people in #debian should
[10:17] <_lupine> mots: the debian.org install guide has a good section
[10:17] <sewi> Can anybody check if you have in Dapper such a font as: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-2 (for example using xfontsel)
[10:17] <ladydoor> NickGarvey: it's on the desktop
[10:17] <_lupine> just edit the repo you point to
[10:18] <finalbeta> fyrestrtr, when it happens I will not be able to start the monitor. I can leave it on top I guess, bit nasty to work then.
[10:18] <_lupine> or "man debootstrap", of course :)
[10:18] <ladydoor> NickGarvey: it'll say "install" or something...i don't remember
[10:18] <NickGarvey> ladydoor: I'm doing it through a X forwarded ssh session
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> _lupine: you probably don't have the same use profile as I do :) I'm a bit abusive with my pcs.
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> finalbeta: just activate the panel applet.
[10:18] <sewi> If yes, what package gives these fonts?
[10:18] <fyrestrtr> finalbeta: you don't need to run the actual monitor.
[10:18] <_lupine> true enough, I guess. Mine don't do too much more demanding than the occasional kernel recompile
[10:19] <jrib> sewi: I have something like it, I have one with a 1, one with an 11, and one with a 16 instead of yours that ends with a 2
[10:19] <ladydoor> NickGarvey: ohh
[10:19] <ladydoor> *shrug*
[10:19] <fyrestrtr> _lupine: I run dual screens, on average two database servers, two java applications, plus evolution, firefox, four or five tabs in gnome-terminal, and a couple of nautilus windows open. With that, and a program run, my swap get hit a lot.
[10:20] <_lupine> probably wouldn't be the cause of X dying a deaded death, though
[10:20] <_lupine> ah... java and evolution
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> _lupine: the killer combo :)
[10:20] <NickGarvey> ladydoor: its ubiquity btw
[10:20] <AsadR> i get a Grub Error 17 whenever i try to boot, how do i re-install GRUB? my linux partition is /dev/hdd1
[10:20] <jrib> sewi: if you tell me how I can find the corresponding file to the font on my system I can lookup the package
[10:20] <_lupine> so it's not that you're doing a lot, it's just that you're using, ahem, "complex" programs to do it with :)
[10:20] <Tom__> fyrestrtr. That worked. Gnomebaker is cool with mp3 now. Thanks!
[10:20] <fyrestrtr> !grub > AsadR
[10:20] <KLarth> I can't get speakers on HP laptop w/ Polk audio to work right.  Noise comes out, but it loops.  Any help?
[10:20] <ladydoor> NickGarvey: oh, cool
[10:20] <sewi> jrib: this is the problem I have, I need the fonts ending with -2. In the previous releases I used to install xfonts-base-transcoded package which is not available in dapper
[10:21] <DogZern> How exactly do you install without the CD? I got the information 'alternate' but it seems there's still a CD involved. Having my CD-Reader well.. "destroyed".
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> KLarth: sounds like speakers are working fine then.
[10:21] <fyrestrtr> !installation
[10:21] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[10:21] <_lupine> On average, I'm thunderbird + firefox + one or two background games; amarok; openoffice; kopete and konversation
[10:21] <MetaMorfoziS> how can my friend enable the ht-using in ubuntu?
[10:21] <sewi> jrib: the file with the fonts should be named 6x12-ISO8859-2.pcf.gz
[10:21] <_lupine> typically I use 60% ram and no swap
[10:21] <sewi> jrib: at least it was named like this in previous releases
[10:22] <fyrestrtr> MetaMorfoziS: tell him to sudo apt-get install linux-686
[10:22] <KLarth> fyrestrtr: can't plahy
[10:22] <finalbeta> ok thnx for the info fyrestrtr , will try.
[10:22] <Masqy> Does someone use VLC here? Can you check if the subtitles disappear after 2-3 seconds when you pause a .avi file?
[10:22] <jrib> sewi: all I have is a /usr/share/X11/fonts/misc/clR6x12-ISO8859-2.pcf.gz that comes from xfonts-base
[10:22] <KLarth> can't play music
[10:22] <fyrestrtr> KLarth: have you checked the wiki to see if there are any known issues with your laptop?
[10:23] <KLarth> Yes.  No known issues
[10:23] <MetaMorfoziS> thx!
[10:23] <sewi> jrib: so I don't know why this package was removed from ubuntu and is still in debian in all releses sarge testing and unstable
[10:24] <jrib> sewi: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfonts-core/+bug/39560 if you didn't file this, you may want to comment
[10:25] <Aar0n444> Hi
[10:25] <flodine> anyone running a intel with 4mb cache'
[10:25] <ladydoor> hi
[10:25] <fyrestrtr> KLarth: what have you tried as far as troubleshooting?
[10:25] <flodine> i need help
[10:25] <Aar0n444> How can I install ubuntu on my laptop when the cd drive is dead?
[10:25] <fyrestrtr> !installation > Aar0n444
[10:25] <gekko`> does anybody know how to paste the clipboard from a X-Server to a VT?
[10:25] <flodine> will ubuntu support 4mb of cache
[10:25] <Aar0n444> Thanks
[10:25] <matthewf> how much more of a overhead does normal ubuntu have over xubuntu ?
[10:26] <matthewf> in general that is
[10:26] <sewi> jrib: thanks for the link
[10:26] <adz21c> Hi, wondering if someone could help me with an issue. I seem to be having an issue with sound. Teamspeak doesn't seem to pick up sound information (just mutes mic and output) also I seem to fail cedega audio tests. To solve this I found I can delete /var/lib/alsa/asound.state then reboot and everything works. However after rebooting a second time teamspeak and cedega fail again, same fix solves this, but frankly it's getting annoy
[10:26] <adz21c>  this?
[10:26] <fyrestrtr> gekko`: you mean, copy something from X, to a console session? Or copy something from X into a terminal session?
[10:26] <eliran> sup
[10:26] <phisher1> Hi
[10:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry all, I had to run earlier.. Irealized it was 11:30 and I had to be across town by 12..  I did not mean to leave anyone hanging with a problem.
[10:26] <teekay_> hi
[10:26] <klassicd> does anyone know of a plugin that will allow you to change file permissions with nautilus when connected via ftp or ssh?
[10:27] <MrFeetio> when i download files to my desktop they dont show up on my desktop, does anyone know whats wrong?
[10:27] <gekko`> fyrestrtr: i mean copy something from X to a terminal session (ctrl+alt+f1)
[10:27] <fyrestrtr> klassicd: if you are connected via ssh, use chmod to change permissions.
[10:27] <phisher1> secret
[10:27] <eliran> ok
[10:27] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: how are you downloading them and from where?
[10:27] <ladydoor> gekko`: you might be able to do that using gnu screen as an intermediary
[10:27] <teekay_> out of interest
[10:28] <ladydoor> gekko`: by detatching and then re-attaching
[10:28] <ladydoor> gekko`: though if you want a fullscreen terminal, you might check out ratpoison window manager instead
[10:28] <klassicd> fyrestrtr: possible with nautilus?
[10:28] <ladydoor> gekko`: (better text resolution)
[10:28] <karl> what is the package i need to start compiling stuff?
[10:28] <ladydoor> karl: build-essential
[10:28] <fyrestrtr> you could try something like cat 'whatever' >> /dev/tty01
[10:28] <karl> thx
[10:28] <leks> hi there, im getting this;
[10:28] <leks> [17179611.856000]  mtrr: no more MTRRs available
[10:28] <leks> [17179611.856000]  mtrr: no more MTRRs available
[10:28] <leks> [17179611.856000]  mtrr: no more MTRRs available
[10:28] <fyrestrtr> klassicd: you can't use nautilus over ssh unless you use something like vnc
[10:28] <leks> any ideas?
[10:29] <theBishop> what's up with sound not working in Firefox?
[10:29] <jrib> theBishop: in flash?
[10:29] <theBishop> jrib, yep
[10:29] <finalbeta> theBishop, if you are talking flash, it uses OSS. you can use aoss
[10:29] <MrFeetio> Jack_Sparrow its a .iso from gentoo.org and im useing firefox, but it happens with any file i download to the desktop
[10:29] <jrib> !flash > theBishop
[10:29] <gekko`> ladydoor: ok, I'll check that, thanks
[10:29] <acidian> well, got wow running, but not with the best graphics XD
[10:29] <MrFeetio> Jack_Sparrow if i download it to a file it works fine
[10:29] <acidian> cant even chose anti aliasing
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> acidian: what video card?
[10:30] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: youmean dl to a folder?
[10:30] <acidian> radeon mobility x1600
[10:30] <dalfz_> how do i uninstall a .deb package i installed manually?
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> and you have the drivers installed for it? you have hardware acceleration?
[10:30] <rummik> why does it keep opening my mounted ftp stuff in firefox?
[10:30] <acidian> fyrestrtr: aye
[10:30] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: And you are running Ubuntu now?
[10:30] <MrFeetio> Jack_Sparrow it doesent show even if i show hiiden files, yes if i dl somewhere else its fine
[10:30] <MrFeetio> yes i am
[10:30] <fyrestrtr> dalfz_: apt-get remove foo
[10:31] <fyrestrtr> acidian: are you running xgl?
[10:31] <acidian> fyrestrtr: dont know :P
[10:31] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: very strange.. and full search shows nothing..
[10:31] <fyrestrtr> acidian: then you aren't :P -- are you running wow in opengl mode or in directx mode?
[10:31] <dalfz_> fyrestrtr, thanks
[10:31] <acidian> fyrestrtr: opengl
[10:31] <acidian> should be anyway
[10:32] <Jack_Sparrow> You looked with nautilus, you looked with ls in term after cd/Desktop etc?
[10:32] <visik7> will ubuntu adopt click n run ?
[10:32] <fyrestrtr> acidian: you need to run it with --opengl or something to force opengl, also are you running it in windowed mode or fullscreen?
[10:32] <ladydoor> visik7: meaning?
[10:32] <acidian> fyrestrtr: I am doing that, fullscreen
[10:32] <visik7> ladydoor: uh ?
[10:32] <visik7> click n run by linspire
[10:32] <visik7> you know ?
[10:32] <fyrestrtr> visik7: nope, it won't.
[10:32] <ladydoor> visik7: oh. no i don't. sorry
[10:32] <MrFeetio> Jack_Sparrow: i can paste thing to the desktop and it works fine
[10:32] <jbroome> ugh hope not
[10:33] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: You looked with nautilus, you looked with ls in term after cd/Desktop etc?
[10:33] <Qvazzler> whois Jack_Sparrow (real question)
[10:33] <ompaul> !offtopic
[10:33] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:33] <roboa1983> hi, i've been trying to run ssh and i cannot access certain ip addresses. furthermore, those people cannot access me as well. i've tried changing /etc/hosts as these have done, but it doesn't seem to work
[10:33] <finalbeta> fyrestrtr, I just had the problem again. The meters show no abnormal disk/cpu/swap activity (swap stayed at 5%). Altho the last two times I was watching Discovery channel on totem (My ISP streams it). I gues it's possible a few of the other times I was watching a movie. (but I'm fairy certain not every time)
[10:34] <woodgrain> is ubuntu 6.06 LTS the same as dapper??
[10:34] <Jack_Sparrow> I am who I am and that is all that I am I'm Popeye the sailor man.. beep beep
[10:34] <Qvazzler> yes?
[10:34] <ladydoor> woodgrain: yeah
[10:34] <ompaul> woodgrain, it is
[10:34] <Qvazzler> lol
[10:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry all
[10:34] <MrFeetio> well its not all that important i plan i switching to gentoo
[10:34] <ompaul> Jack_Sparrow, your allowed
[10:34] <woodgrain> ompaul, yeah, thanks, that was a dumb question.
[10:34] <woodgrain> ladydoor, thanks.
[10:34] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: But you didnt answer the question
[10:34] <ladydoor> woodgrain: np
[10:34] <ompaul> woodgrain, not knowing is not a crime :)
[10:35] <matthewf> does ubuntu use a diffrent package manager as standard then xubuntu ?
[10:35] <MrFeetio> yes i did try that
[10:35] <Jack_Sparrow> MrFeetio: Thank you
[10:35] <lonran> hello
[10:35] <lonran> a frontend for direct connect?
[10:36] <acidian> fyrestrtr: my biggest problem is that I get an error everytime I try to change a video setting ingame
[10:36] <ompaul> matthewf, there are many ways to update packages, synaptic is available for both, but I prefer command lines but that is just me
[10:36] <acidian> fyrestrtr: error says something about it trying to access memory at 00000000, which isnt a memory slot
[10:37] <Jack_Sparrow> I have a whole file of ompaul's command line tools :)
[10:37] <ladydoor> lonran: there's direct connect for linux
[10:37] <lonran> the client, yes, but a frontend?
[10:37] <matthewf> i take it as Gnome is the default DE for ubuntu, its more integrated and nice then KDE/Xfe are ?
[10:37] <ladydoor> lonran: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378
[10:38] <ladydoor> lonran: i'm talking about a graphikal version
[10:38] <Chousuke> acidian: the program has a bug.
[10:38] <ladydoor> lonran: it's not a frontend to the text-based program, it's an entirely different program
[10:38] <DogZern> !   C:\Documents and Settings\Tibia\Skrivbord\grub_for_dos-0.4.2pre8(4).zip: The archive is either in unknown format or damaged
[10:38] <DogZern> Grml
[10:38] <lonran> ladydoor:  ok, i see, very nice
[10:38] <ladydoor> lonran: :-)
[10:38] <acidian> Chousuke: yeah, I guesse, but I found a config file now that I think I can edit for the purposes I need
[10:38] <woodgrain> is it okay to edit /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade to dapper or is this crazy?
[10:39] <roboa1983> any ideas on how to solve: port 22: No route to host?
[10:39] <Chousuke> acidian: it dereferences a null pointer. It's a programming error. :/
[10:39] <jrib> !upgrade > woodgrain
[10:39] <Chousuke> acidian: file a bug report
[10:39] <Jack_Sparrow> DogZern: do you have unzip installed?
[10:39] <acidian> Chousuke: wow doesnt support linux, so cant realy report it :/
[10:39] <DogZern> I've tried Winrar, 7-Zip
[10:39] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, can you ping the host?
[10:39] <Chousuke> acidian: oh. :/
[10:39] <MrFeetio> if i partition my HD for ubuntu from 250g to 100g( i have like 80g used) and install gentoo on the remaining 150g will i lose data?
[10:40] <Chousuke> acidian: wine might be causing it then
[10:40] <Jack_Sparrow> DogZern: have you moved that file into ubuntu to unzip it?
[10:40] <acidian> Chousuke: yeah, but I wouldnt know how to fix it XD
[10:40] <_lupine> MrFeetio: not if you do it properly
[10:40] <roboa1983> jimcooncat: no, the Destination Host is Unreachable
[10:40] <DogZern> Trying to install Ubunto through my harddrive at the moment. Following, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromWindows
[10:41] <roboa1983> jimcooncat: although i can ping other hosts
[10:41] <Jack_Sparrow> DogZern: Sorry for the confusion, I just got in the door and I'm still waiting for the ac to kick in
[10:41] <MrFeetio> _lupine: how would i do it wrong?
[10:41] <DogZern> Hah :-)
[10:41] <_lupine> lots of ways
[10:41] <DogZern> No idea why it would get corrupt, tried different downloading spots etc.
[10:41] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, is the host on your local network?
[10:41] <woodgrain> jrib, thanks, i don't know how I didn't find that page!  Thanks a bunch talke later when I'm done.
[10:41] <MrFeetio> well im gonna install gentoo now cya
[10:42] <derossi> ehh
[10:42] <roboa1983> jimcooncat: it is.
[10:42] <derossi> hi are there in hungarian pepole?
[10:43] <ladydoor> !hungarian
[10:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hungarian - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:43] <nibby> hi, when i play quake3 in ubuntu after 10 minute the screen do a kind of fade out so i have to do alt+enter then click somewhere on desktop then return in quake with alt+enter what i should do to stop that ?
[10:43] <harisund> Does anybody know of any cross platform note taking application? I am looking for something that I can use to take notes on both my Windows and Ubuntu platforms?
[10:43] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, can you try doing a ping FROM the host to your workstation?
[10:43] <woodgrain> !upgrade > me
[10:43] <tabman> using OOo in Ubuntu if I run the following macro: http://tabishfayyaz.googlepages.com/HelloWorldMacro.png , i get the following exception: http://tabishfayyaz.googlepages.com/MacroException.png. This does not happens whiile using OOo in Windows
[10:43] <Jack_Sparrow> DogZern: I dont see the file you are trying to unzip on that page anywhere
[10:43] <derossi> quake 4 is better..
[10:44] <roboa1983> jimcooncat: how would that be typed in the terminal?
[10:44] <woodgrain> !upgrade
[10:44] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[10:44] <Jack_Sparrow> DogZern: IS there a reason you are not doing a normal install
[10:44] <woodgrain> !update
[10:44] <DogZern> Yes.
[10:44] <DogZern> Don't got a CD reader installed so :-)
[10:44] <e-type> evenin all
[10:44] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, you'd have to be on the hosts terminal, and ping yourmachinename
[10:44] <DogZern> Windows NT/2000/XP (using Grub)
[10:44] <DogZern>     *
[10:44] <DogZern>       Download Grub For Dos from [WWW]  http://sarovar.org/download.php/672/grub_for_dos-0.4.1pre22.tar.gz
[10:44] <jimcooncat> or ping your ip address
[10:44] <nibby> hi, when i play quake3 in ubuntu after 10 minute the screen do a kind of fade out so i have to do alt+enter then click somewhere on desktop then return in quake with alt+enter what i should do to stop that ?
[10:45] <Jack_Sparrow> DogZern: That is different from the file name you showed earlier.
[10:45] <micahcowan> nibby, disable the screensaver
[10:45] <tabman> this is a UBUNTU specific issues, you need to look at it
[10:45] <ompaul> !paste
[10:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[10:45] <e-type> nibby: sounds like yr screensave?
[10:45] <Charon1> Is there a way to install skype via the package manager or does it have to be installed manually ?
[10:45] <roboa1983> jimcooncat: I can't, the others aren't here and i don't have accounts for their computers
[10:46] <nibby> e-type: well, no animation just a fade out and my screensave are on random
[10:46] <derossi> when i play quake 3 i can't make a screenshot...why?
[10:46] <derossi> i try f12..
[10:46] <tabman> using OOo in Ubuntu if I run the following macro: http://tabishfayyaz.googlepages.com/HelloWorldMacro.png , i get the following exception: http://tabishfayyaz.googlepages.com/MacroException.png. This does not happens whiile using OOo in Windows
[10:47] <micahcowan> tabman, file a bug.
[10:47] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, ok, there's really not much more to do other than check physical network connections to make sure everything's plugged in. If there's a router in between your computer and the host, then that's probably the cause.
[10:47] <tabman> micahcowan: where ?
[10:47] <naa> there are computers that can boot from usb flash drives, right?
[10:47] <micahcowan> tabman, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu. You'll need to set up an account first.
[10:48] <roboa1983> jimcooncat: the thing is that the other computers can communicate with each other, while mine for some reason, is still not available, but thanks for the help
[10:48] <micahcowan> naa, sure. It depends what the bios is capable of.
[10:48] <whazilla> naa u can
[10:48] <naa> hmm
[10:48] <naa> what would happen if you removed it during that?
[10:48] <harisund> Does anybody know of a cross platform notetaking tool?
[10:49] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, you must be the new guy in the office ;-)
[10:49] <fyrestrtr> harisund: what do you mean by cross platform? it works in linux and windows?
[10:49] <micahcowan> harisund, Tomboy, perhaps?
[10:50] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, you might not be on the same subnet
[10:50] <harisund> fyrestrtr: yes. micahcowan I haven't heard of that. Will give it a look, thanks
[10:50] <e-type> Charon1: skype is non free. use a free voip application or add skype to your apt sources
[10:50] <jimcooncat> roboa1983, in other words, your ip address like <IP_ADDRESS> might not see theirs, like 192.168.0.*
[10:50] <micahcowan> harisund, I think it's gnome, but it's written in mono (C#), so may be crossplatform. I've never used it, know little about it.
[10:50] <Charon1> e-type: Thanks... I was wondering if it was in there allready
[10:50] <harisund> micahcowan I want to take notes, and be able to share it with my friends using Windows (collaborative editing basically)
[10:51] <e-type> Charon1: it will never be in there, skype is non free
[10:51] <_lupine> it might even never get into the non-free repository, then ;)
[10:51] <kingofhearts> I am new to ubuntu and I just start with the 6.06 live cd. will it do 1650x1080 res in widescreen?
[10:51] <Nutubuntu> harisund:  that argues for web-based, it seems to me -- how far apart are the people you want to share notes with?
[10:51] <micahcowan> harisund, all I know about it is that it is apparently going to be part of ubuntu-desktop in edgy, is sort of a wiki, and is used by many for note-taking.
[10:51] <Charon1> e-type: no non free sources list :)
[10:52] <eXistenZ> How can I add key authentication to ssh if I've already created key pairs
[10:52] <roboa1983> jimcootcat: although, i am the new guy in the office, the ip addresses were just newly assigned, and all have same subnet. those others are using fedora, though.
[10:52] <e-type> Charon1: won't start this ideoligic stuff :)
[10:52] <harisund> Nutubuntu: same class, in university. Perhaps web based indeed is what I am looking at.
[10:52] <Nutubuntu> micahcowan & harisund: Tomboy is a wiki-like, sticky-note-like thingie that seems good for one person but not, afaik, for a gropu
[10:52] <Nutubuntu> ^group
[10:52] <_lupine> micahcowan: not yet more junk to be pulled down?!
[10:52] <Charon1> e-type: no worries. Im just looking for the lazy way out.
[10:52] <harisund> micahcowan: ok :) Will have alook anyway.
[10:52] <e-type> eXistenZ: tell your sshd or ssh to use your key
[10:52] <eXistenZ> e-type, thanks
[10:53] <lamego> harisund, you could try writely
[10:53] <e-type> eXistenZ: /etc/ssh/sshd.conf and ~/.ssh/ssh.conf
[10:53] <harisund> lamego: web based yes.. I use writely
[10:53] <micahcowan> _lupine, don't look at me. There's been a massive thread about it at ubuntu-devel.
[10:53] <eXistenZ> Does anyone know whether it is possible to transfer files using putty
[10:53] <dalfz_> what's the command to install a custom .deb package?
[10:54] <_lupine> not been paying attention :)
[10:54] <harisund> dalfz_: dpkg --install debname.deb
[10:54] <micahcowan> dalfz_, sudo dpkg -i <package>.deb
[10:54] <lamego> eXistenZ, no
[10:54] <dalfz_> thanks
[10:54] <e-type> eXistenZ: sure, there's pscp and psftp
[10:55] <e-type> eXistenZ: but they're strictly different apps
[10:55] <wimpies> hi all, can anybody help setting up a ZEN sleek on LInux ?
[10:55] <eobanb_> stupid gentoo.
[10:55] <Nutubuntu> Be well, all
[10:55] <micahcowan> harisund, if tomboy doesn't match what you're looking for, I agree with Nutubuntu: you probably want web-based, maybe some sort of wiki.
[10:56] <Nutubuntu> micahcowan ... I think he or she left
[10:56] <m4rk> anyway to do a search in a folder using ubuntu? to find a particular piece of text in a whole lot of text documents??
[10:56] <micahcowan> doh!
[10:56] <_lupine> :p
[10:56] <djm62> or monkeyGTD or tiddlywiki
[10:56] <_lupine> what's wrong with gentoo?
[10:56] <Nutubuntu> micahcowan - I'm wondering, though, about web-based collaborative tools myself
[10:56] <_lupine> m4rk: find <folder> -name <file>
[10:56] <lamego> there are non web based alternatives, also multiplatform
[10:56] <lamego> like Gobby
[10:57] <m4rk> _lupine: where do I put the text I want to find in that command?
[10:57] <Nutubuntu> lamego:  I'll look that up, also writely
[10:57] <djm62> lamego: tiddlywiki and variants are damn good
[10:57] <jrib> m4rk: use grep if you want to search inside
[10:57] <SpComb> we need globals on freenode as well for new ubuntu or debian releases :(
[10:57] <lamego> well, not all wikis are real real time
[10:57] <jrib> m4rk: grep -R text /path/to/directory
[10:57] <Nutubuntu> djm62:  tiddlywiki gets slow as it gets big, at least on my (old) computer ... do you have that experience too?
[10:57] <roboa1983> jimcootcat: thx!! bye
[10:57] <cemal_> m4rk, grep -i -r '<search_text> <folder_name>
[10:57] <_lupine> Mediawiki is good
[10:58] <ne78> How can i import all my contacts from my bluetooth GSM ?
[10:58] <lamego> i mean, most are not, they dont allow to edit the same page at the same time by differente users
[10:58] <m4rk> OK thanks dudes
[10:58] <_lupine> easy to set up as well - and actually manages to look good :D
[10:58] <lamego> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_real-time_editor
[10:58] <djm62> Nutubuntu: not as yet... I'm trying to hack the calendar into something more usable.  I seriously like the idea of re-editing Javascript on a webpage though
[10:59] <qatsi> anyone here got his unreal tournament 2004 working ?
[10:59] <eobanb_> er, i hate when i accidentally exit x-chat.
[10:59] <ompaul> eobanb, so do it on purpose :)
[10:59] <lamego> lol
[11:00] <Nutubuntu> There seem to be a lot of tiddlywiki variants, djm62 -- I was looking at a couple that are geared to "GTD" one way or another -- but they got big, quickly, and when they did, I thought they got pretty slow. Maybe worse in memory than it actually was at the time ...
[11:00] <_lupine> qatsi: http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/wiki/Unreal_Tournament_2004
[11:00] <notworkin> i need to know how to format my hard drive with ubuntu installed
[11:00] <_lupine> (I don't actually have the game)
[11:00] <_lupine> notworkin: mkfs does the trick
[11:00] <GomezDen> How do I change the splash screen? (the one that shows up once you log in)
[11:00] <lamego> does anyonw knows a challenge-response extension for thunderbird ?
[11:00] <notworkin> i dont know what that is
[11:01] <Nutubuntu> lamego:  Interesting wikipedia page, t/y
[11:01] <djm62> Nutubuntu: I'm using monkeyGTD atm.  I'm  thinking a cull/dump of older tasks might be worth writing
[11:01] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: a partition that ubuntu is on or another
[11:01] <_lupine> man mkfs will tell you what it is
[11:01] <qatsi> _lupine: thank you :) but its supposed to run without cedega...as far as i know :p i mean, i already installed it, but i cant get it to run (strange)...
[11:01] <notworkin> i need someone to explain it.. i had a boot disk but it wont boot and i think its cause ubuntu is on it
[11:01] <Nutubuntu> djm62:  just downloaded monkeyGTD last night :) -- also d3, which I kind of like
[11:01] <qatsi> _lupine: sorry, first i should've read the page you gave me :p hehe
[11:02] <notworkin> im sorry... i kinda need a walk through of a sort... i was able to when windows was on... with fdisk. but i am confused now...
[11:02] <Nutubuntu> Sorry to be all off-topic, I'm going to be quiet now until I can get back "on" topic :)
[11:02] <flodine> anyone know if ubuntu will support 4 mb of cache'
[11:02] <djm62> Nutubuntu: if you know any javascript, -offtopic?
[11:02] <_lupine> notworking: fdisk won't format. If you're after repartitioning (what fdisk does), then linux also has an fdisk
[11:02] <GomezDen> Anyone know how to change the Gnome Splash Screen?
[11:02] <notworkin> where can i get that fdisk and can i boot it from a cd
[11:03] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: I dont understand your question or what you are trying to do
[11:03] <_lupine> you just run "fdisk"
[11:03] <_lupine> however, you're much better off reading the manpages and understanding them, rather than blindly following commands from me
[11:03] <notworkin> in the terminal
[11:03] <e-type> GomezDen: edit it in gconf-editor
[11:03] <_lupine> yes
[11:03] <_lupine> you'll need to sudo it
[11:03] <GomezDen> e-type: thanks
[11:03] <notworkin> i typed that and a list came up
[11:03] <notworkin> but nothing really happened
[11:03] <notworkin> oh
[11:03] <notworkin> ok
[11:03] <GomezDen> e-type: Gnome site was saying gconftools-2
[11:03] <chris449> hi, i just installed vlc but i can't find it? i'm using kde, so the path on the website doesn't exist
[11:03] <notworkin> lets see
[11:03] <_lupine> and specify the device you want to fdisk (/dev/hda ?)
[11:03] <_lupine> just... read the manpages first
[11:04] <_lupine> and be careful :)
[11:04] <usr> hello clever people. how come I not be able to use a blank password for my useraccount?
[11:04] <sethk> notworkin, try   fdisk -l /dev/hda    the -l prints something, and is safe
[11:04] <notworkin> um ok... but i want it all gone anyway
[11:04] <notworkin> lol
[11:04] <jacques> Dr_Willis: me again. I keep getting the same error when i change the xorg.conf file. can i send you the error log and maybe you can help me out
[11:04] <notworkin> ok
[11:04] <sethk> notworkin, gone is easy.  getting it back when it's gone may not be  :)
[11:04] <chris449> the path for gnome is applications>sound and media>vlc but in kde that doesn't exist? so how do i run vlc?
[11:05] <notworkin> well i have nothing really on my computer
[11:06] <notworkin> i just installed ubuntu to experiment
[11:06] <notworkin> i have a cd if i want it back
[11:06] <sethk> chris449, you can always run it from alt-f2
[11:06] <notworkin> but right now i want windows 2k on it
[11:06] <notworkin> and it wont work
[11:06] <sethk> chris449, or from a terminal
[11:06] <eXistenZ> e-type, I copied my public key into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys . Is that what I only should do?
[11:07] <e-type> eXistenZ: public key goes into any account where you should have access to
[11:07] <thybo> anyone has an idea of when the skype repository will work?
[11:07] <notworkin> uh... i dont know what i did
[11:07] <jacques> Dr_Willis: me again. I keep getting the same error when i change the xorg.conf file. can i send you the error log and maybe you can help me out
[11:07] <e-type> eXistenZ: private key must be kept in a lucriously safe place to proove you're you
[11:07] <notworkin> i typed fdisk /dev/hda
[11:07] <notworkin> and then 'deleted a partition'
[11:07] <eXistenZ> e-type, yeah I copied the public key there.
[11:07] <eXistenZ> e-type, in the target machine
[11:07] <ompaul> thybo, it has been found by some that the beta for debian on the site is rather good
[11:07] <notworkin> but ubuntu was still running whehn i did that
[11:07] <notworkin> and it says its deleted
[11:07] <MetaMorfoziS> why the firefox from repo is bad ?
[11:07] <thybo> yes i am loooking for the beta
[11:07] <notworkin> so i'm confused lol
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> jacques,  post it on pastebin.com so others can see it as well
[11:08] <notworkin> nope... its not gone
[11:08] <thybo> but can't get it through apt:
[11:08] <thybo> Get:5 http://download.skype.com stable/non-free Packages [693B]
[11:08] <thybo> 99% [5 Packages gzip 0]  [Waiting for headers]  [Connecting to blognux.free.fr (21gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[11:08] <notworkin> could someone pm me and walk me through this/
[11:08] <jacques> Dr_Willis: ok would you like me  to send it to you or just post it
[11:08] <ne78> Is there an application that syncrhonize contact with a bluetooth GSM, like ical on macosx ?
[11:09] <chris449> sethk: but i dont' know which file to run from the terminal, i checked all the folders it installed and none had any files i could run
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> jacques,  just pastebin is best
[11:09] <chris449> sethk: doh, shoulda checked teh /usr/bin
[11:09] <chris449> thanks for help
[11:09] <jacques> Dr_Willis: ok thanx
[11:09] <sethk> chris449, yes, that's a reasonable place to check  :)
[11:10] <e-type> ne78: the bluetooth part should be no problem, but you'd need some synchronizing app for your gsm
[11:10] <ne78> e-type: bluetooth works, but i need to backup all my GSM contacts
[11:11] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: So you want us to walk you through a Windows 2000 install ?
[11:11] <ne78> e-type: i can send contact one by one but that's not an option, is there an application to do that ?
[11:11] <notworkin> no no
[11:11] <notworkin> i want someone to walk me through a hard disk format
[11:11] <e-type> ne78: I don't have a clue... google might know
[11:11] <notworkin> cause its just not working
[11:11] <notworkin> i dont know how to use linux very well
[11:12] <e-type> notworkin: you sure you want to format it?
[11:12] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: and the purpose of the format is what?
[11:12] <notworkin> yes
[11:12] <notworkin> im 100 percent sure
[11:12] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: to instal what OS?
[11:12] <notworkin> i only have a 6g hard drive
[11:12] <Zajjko> How do I go about removing a driver installed from source-files?
[11:12] <e-type> notworkin: I'm not sure I wont get banned for telling you this :)
[11:12] <notworkin> i am going to install windows 2k
[11:12] <ichiban3> tell me
[11:12] <GomezDen> e-type: I got the splash screen changed but that horrable brown color is still there.
[11:12] <e-type> notworkin: win2k has it's own format app
[11:13] <notworkin> banned `question mark` my shit key  wont work for some reason
[11:13] <djm62> ne78: mobical.net might do the backup you want: I haven't found anything for motorola phones, other types might be better served
[11:13] <mowgli> hello, all. second-day Linux(ubuntu) user here. i've been trying to connect to my usb adsl modem since yesterday. first, i tried to install needed driver by myself from different sources (original Eagle-usb material, original Linux driver from Sagem, etc.). Now that I know how to download and install .deb files from packages.ubuntu.com, module-assistant is telling me that I need to "make...
[11:13] <notworkin> i mean i know what banned is
[11:13] <mowgli> ...uninstall" a previous eagle-usb driver before proceeding. HOW DO I DO THAT? thx!
[11:13] <e-type> GomezDen: hm... would that be the same background as in gdm?
[11:13] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: Put in a windows 2000 disk and let it run, it will format the drive partition it and install 2k for you
[11:13] <notworkin> but why would you get banned
[11:13] <notworkin> it wont work
[11:13] <sethk> notworkin, I don't think he was serious
[11:13] <notworkin> it wont boot from the cd
[11:13] <notworkin> ah
[11:13] <notworkin> i went to the bios but it wont boot the cd
[11:13] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: Suggest you ask that in #Windows
[11:13] <djm62> mowgli: find the source directory for the previous driver, and type make uninstall
[11:13] <notworkin> it goes straight to loading the kernel and shturr
[11:13] <GomezDen> e-type: What do you mean?
[11:14] <notworkin> shtuff
[11:14] <sethk> notworkin, during the install, you don't do anything called "format"
[11:14] <e-type> GomezDen: I'm not sure... better not say anything then ;)
[11:14] <sethk> notworkin, format is incorrect
[11:14] <sethk> notworkin, you create a file system.
[11:14] <notworkin> ok... but i dont want linux on there. at all. i want to only have windows 2k
[11:14] <sethk> notworkin, there is such a think as a low level format on an IDE drive, but you should never need to do it.
[11:14] <djm62> mowgli: is that clear enough for you to be getting on?
[11:14] <sethk> notworkin, in that case, just boot a windows install cd
[11:15] <mowgli> djm62: but i don't really know how to find the previous driver... hint?
[11:15] <e-type> notworkin: like making jokes about 'rm and some flags' will result in bans in some channels :)
[11:15] <sethk> notworkin, windows is good at erasing everything other than itself  :)
[11:15] <notworkin> but how do i boot it
[11:15] <notworkin> it just wont do it
[11:15] <GomezDen> e-type: It changed the middle part but the area around it is brown.
[11:15] <notworkin> ah
[11:15] <frying_fish_> mowgli: where did you build the previous driver
[11:15] <sethk> notworkin, won't boot the cd?
[11:15] <notworkin> well then i need to know how to boot it
[11:15] <djm62> mowgli: how did you install the previous driver?
[11:15] <frying_fish_> as you will need to change to that dir, then type sudo make uninstall
[11:15] <e-type> notworkin: if you really want to you need mkfs stuff, it's manpage should help
[11:15] <sethk> notworkin, try going into your bios setup, and looking for boot options
[11:15] <sethk> notworkin, and make the CD the first boot device
[11:15] <notworkin> i already did the bios
[11:15] <thybo> how do you clear apt cache?
[11:15] <notworkin> its set to boot rom the cd
[11:15] <notworkin> but it wotn
[11:15] <sethk> notworkin, didn't boot?
[11:15] <blub> redele
[11:15] <ompaul> thybo, you don't want to
[11:15] <thybo> why?
[11:15] <frying_fish> thybo: sudo apt-cache clean
[11:16] <sethk> notworkin, either the cd is bad, or the drive has a problem, or the drive cable has a problem, or the drive is jumpered incorrectly
[11:16] <frying_fish> I think.
[11:16] <ben> i need help with getting the wpa_supplicant running so wpa_gui can connect to it and configure it
[11:16] <frying_fish> notworkin: can you manually select boot device from options
[11:16] <thybo> why ompaul?
[11:16] <ompaul> thybo, it is useful if you want to rebuilt the patched machine later - rather than downloading the files again
[11:16] <jrib> GomezDen: system > administration > login window, you can change the color there
[11:16] <frying_fish> I know on my system its F8 to bring that up, but some its F12
[11:16] <notworkin> no i dont think so
[11:16] <mowgli> djm62: just followed instructions, but now I've done about a dozen different procedures to try it, and i cannot be sure of which one actually installed it...
[11:16] <blub> can someone tell me how I can get divx and win32codecs into ubuntu? Do I have to add another repository? If So wich shold I use
[11:16] <thybo> i'd rather have the files off:)
[11:16] <Jack_Sparrow> notworkin: Helping you install Windows 2000 as your only OS is offtopic here
[11:16] <mowgli> djm62: can i do a file search of some kind?
[11:17] <GomezDen> jrib: thanks you
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> !codecs > blub
[11:17] <notworkin> ok then
[11:17] <notworkin> thakns anyway
[11:17] <notworkin> bye
[11:17] <ben> anyone know how to get wpa_supplicant running?
[11:17] <thybo> E: Invalid operation clean
[11:17] <jrib> GomezDen: there is also gnome-splashscreen-manager in the repositories for your previous question.  It's easier than editing gconf
[11:17] <fyrestrtr> ben: have you read the wifi wiki already?
[11:18] <ben> yes
[11:18] <ben> the problem is
[11:18] <ben> i don't have a config file named /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:18] <e-type> mowgli: install beagle or try '$ man find'
[11:18] <ben> nor do i have a /etc/default/wpa_supplicant
[11:18] <fyrestrtr> ben: I think you are meant to create that manually.
[11:19] <nolX40> hi - has anyone got cvs NetworkManager & LEAP working? I've followed the forums on it, but (afaict) it doesn't give me an option for LEAP.
[11:19] <e-type> fyrestrtr: doesn't wpa_supplicant allow it's config to be created at runtime by "some other app"?
[11:19] <fyrestrtr> e-type: I think initially, you have to set it up. I forgot exactly, been a while.
[11:20] <ben> e-type: what's this other app?
[11:20] <trish_> anyone got a wg111 adapter
[11:20] <thybo> funny.... i uninstalled skype while it was running... will it cause any problem?
[11:20] <fyrestrtr> thybo: only when you try to run it again :)
[11:20] <thybo> :d thx fure
[11:20] <fyrestrtr> thybo: running programs are stored in ram.
[11:20] <thybo> fyre
[11:20] <thybo> ok :)
[11:21] <ompaul> thybo, do this>> wget http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-deb && dpkg -i skype-beta-<IP_ADDRESS>-i1_i386.deb << then just start it from the menu: Applicaitons --> Internet
[11:21] <thybo> u have an unwritable nickname but you are a trumendous sourve of informaations
[11:21] <fyrestrtr> thybo: type fyre and hit tab :)
[11:21] <thybo> fyrestrtr: :d
[11:21] <thybo> hehe yeah
[11:21] <e-type> fyrestrtr: we've been experimenting a bit to get a dialog config tool with udev+bash to control it on runtime...
[11:22] <thybo> thanks ompaul but i'm downloading it :)
[11:22] <e-type> fyrestrtr: but I don't know the ubuntu way
[11:22] <fyrestrtr> e-type: your way sounds quite ubuntu-ish.
[11:22] <fyrestrtr> e-type: but I think their new runlevel control thing (forgot its name) will make lives easy.
[11:22] <e-type> fyrestrtr: hehe, it was really to do some voodoo on mac changing + dynamic interface naming...
[11:23] <trish_> when i use network manager to access wpa network it tells me my hardware doesn't support the security feature. anyone know a fix?
[11:23] <caverdude> bah, I can't install ubuntu as both server and workstation with gui?
[11:23] <lamego> yes you can
[11:23] <e-type> caverdude: sure you can
[11:23] <caverdude> I see 2 cd's for download
[11:23] <e-type> caverdude: what is a server?
[11:23] <caverdude> one for workstation and one for server
[11:23] <e-type> a pc with some services
[11:23] <fyrestrtr> caverdude: here's a secret -- you can get a workstation, with server programs!
[11:23] <caverdude> e-type yes I know but I'm looking at the install cd's selections
[11:23] <trish_> use synaptic or apt and download the server services you need
[11:24] <lamego> caverdude, you can install server or desktop packages on any of the systems
[11:24] <TBNolan> easiest way to install TCL on ubuntu?
[11:24] <fyrestrtr> caverdude: the server cd just has less stuff. You can start from any, and go either way. For example, I have a laptop, that runs two database servers, dns, ssh, apache, and tomcat :)
[11:24] <blub> mmmh, are there more repositories for ubuntu than the ones which are default? And where can I find them?
[11:24] <lamego> those CDs just contain different set of packages to be installed
[11:24] <fyrestrtr> blub: what are you looking for?
[11:24] <TBNolan> "apt-get install tcltls" worked, but my ./config for my eggdrop still couldn't find TCL
[11:24] <caverdude> ok so I need to burn off both install cd's and install them both?
[11:24] <lamego> blub, have you read the official guide, about the extra repos ?
[11:25] <lamego> caverdude, no, if you have a internet connection you only need the desktop cd
[11:25] <blub> fyrestrtr: just as much as software as I am used to find in gentoos portage ( a friend wants to switch from suse to kubuntu)
[11:25] <e-type> caverdude: strictly speaking you only need a base package
[11:25] <trish_> haven't tried it but perhaps you could burn both and use the server cd as an extra repository to install extras not on the desktop cd
[11:25] <blub> lamego: I enabled the universe rep
[11:25] <fyrestrtr> caverdude: nooo -- just pick one you like. Once you get the base system installed (either one) you can install any packages you want. So if you have already downloaded the server cd, install from there, then just do sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop -- to get the gui. If you have downloaded the desktop cd, just install the various services you need (see !lamp)
[11:25] <trish_> but easier to use network repositories
[11:25] <sethk> blub, yes, but you don't get to wait hours for a few minutes worth of software
[11:25] <fyrestrtr> !software > blub
[11:25] <Azathoth_> hiii
[11:26] <sethk> blub, if he wants to take two days to do two hours work, he needs gentoo  :)
[11:26] <Leonrott> how can i probe the ftp?
[11:26] <blub> sethk: cant follow you?
[11:26] <TBNolan> !tcl > TBNolan
[11:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tcl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:26] <lamego> LeeJunFan, ftp localhost
[11:26] <Azathoth_> anyone can help me with errors making modprobe lirc_gpio
[11:26] <Leonrott> lamego, thanks
[11:26] <trish_> anyone know wpa
[11:26] <blub> sethk: me uses gentoo and I am more than happy, now I am helping him to configure his kubuntu install
[11:26] <sethk> blub, not being exactly serious.  You get better performance from ubuntu than from gentoo, and you get it a with a lot less work
[11:27] <fyrestrtr> blub: there is lots of software available in repos, what does he want?
[11:27] <lotusleaf> sethk: hi :)
[11:27] <sethk> lotusleaf, hi
[11:27] <diezare> guys, what is the name of the linux kernel which supports smp protocol? it's name in the apt-get
[11:27] <blub> sethk: I love gentoo, so no way for logical argument :-)
[11:27] <fyrestrtr> sethk: lets not start bashing a distro over another in here please. Take that stuff to ubuntu-offtopic.
[11:27] <lamego> dieman, apt-cache search kernel smp
[11:27] <sethk> fyrestrtr, I didn't bring it up
[11:27] <jamie> looking for a consultant to setup jails for fastcgi scripts (php4-cgi, python, perl, etc)
[11:27] <fyrestrtr> diezare: sudo apt-get install linux-686
[11:27] <blub> fyrestrtr: for example searching for opera nogo, win32codecs nogo, divx nogo
[11:28] <fyrestrtr> !opera > blub
[11:28] <sethk> blub, all available
[11:28] <lamego> does linux-686 installs the smp kernel ?
[11:28] <fyrestrtr> !codecs > blub
[11:28] <blub> fyrestrtr: do I have to download all of them manull?
[11:28] <Leonrott> lamego, ftp: connect: Connection refused
[11:28] <e-type> lamego: search for the kernel module
[11:28] <diezare> fyrestrtr, thnx dude
[11:28] <fyrestrtr> blub: no, you (or your friend) needs to go read the wiki entries that ubotu just sent you in a query.
[11:28] <sethk> blub, use synaptic.  it's a nice friendly gui app with a search function
[11:28] <Azathoth_> anuone can help me withg install of lirc and errors on lirc_gpio?
[11:28] <jamie> sorry if this is a repeate: looking for a consultant to setup jails for fastcgi/scgi scripts (php4-cgi, python, perl, etc) message me privately if interested
[11:28] <e-type> lamego: if you find it, bingo, if you don't, compile one
[11:28] <sethk> blub, or you can install from the command line with just the package name
[11:28] <lamego> e-type, I know to search for the module, my question was because of the answers to the other person
[11:28] <fyrestrtr> !opera
[11:28] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[11:28] <sethk> blub, you never need to download anything manually
[11:29] <fyrestrtr> !codecs
[11:29] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:29] <blub> sethk: just using adept manager from kde
[11:29] <lamego> there is a -686 kernel and a -686-smp kernel
[11:29] <Leonrott> hi i get ftp: connect: Connection refused
[11:29] <sethk> blub, why?  synaptic is a lot easier to use.  I use it in kde
[11:29] <lamego> Leonrott, that means you dont have an ftp service
[11:29] <_lupine> no ftp server running
[11:29] <blub> okay, gonna give him the URLs
[11:29] <Azathoth_> anuone can help me withg install of lirc and errors on lirc_gpio?
[11:29] <blub> sethk: because I have no clue of kubuntu and int was preinstalled :-)
[11:30] <sethk> blub, ok.  no problem
[11:30] <Leonrott> but proftpd says accepting conecctions
[11:30] <e-type> d I'm pretty convinced that if it's not in the default kernel you wont find it in the apt sourceslamego: if you know how to search for a kernel module, than no doubt you know how to search for a kernel image an
[11:30] <_lupine> firewall?
[11:30] <ara> where can i find the hoary repos ? ( i know it's old yes )
[11:30] <lamego> Leonrott, ps -ef | grep -i proftp
[11:30] <ara> universe etc..
[11:30] <e-type> lamego: weuw, I should get my screen fixed here...
[11:30] <_lupine> s/dapper/hoary :)
[11:30] <erUSUL> !easysource
[11:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:30] <_lupine> they should all be on archive.ubuntu.com
[11:31] <e-type> lamego: last sentence is obviously unreadable, sorry ;)
[11:31] <blub> sethk: and my frind just switched a few month ago from XP tu SuSE, but suse sucked, and didn't help him with suse
[11:31] <TBNolan> could anyone help me install TCL?
[11:31] <ara> thanks
[11:31] <Leonrott> nobody   25823     1  0 17:28 ?        00:00:00 proftpd: (accepting connections)
[11:31] <sethk> blub, I'm not fond of suse
[11:31] <data__> is ubuntu pretty newbie friendly?
[11:31] <sethk> blub, but package management in ubuntu is really very easy
[11:31] <erUSUL> TBNolan: sudo apt-get install tcl ??
[11:31] <blub> so thats why I am asking a lot of dump questions
[11:31] <lamego> data__, yes
[11:31] <eXistenZ> How can there be different signatures that match the same public key? and is it possible to tell by comparing both a public key and signature that the signature matches the key?
[11:31] <e-type> data__: most newbie friendly distro
[11:31] <sethk> TBNolan, what problem are you having?
[11:31] <data__> e-type: ah! just what my friend needs then!
[11:31] <Leonrott> lamego, nobody   25823     1  0 17:28 ?        00:00:00 proftpd: (accepting connections)
[11:31] <data__> i hear nothing but good things about this distro
[11:32] <e-type> eXistenZ: there's not
[11:32] <Azathoth_> data_: me for example.. I am newbie and i use ubuntu
[11:32] <TBNolan> i'm trying to run an eggdrop bot
[11:32] <TBNolan> and upon ./configure
[11:32] <e-type> eXistenZ: read up about asymmetric encryption
[11:32] <eXistenZ> e-type, ok, I'll wiki
[11:32] <data__> e-type: quick question, does ubuntu have any problems with ATI video cards?
[11:32] <e-type> eXistenZ: it'll tell you all ;)
[11:32] <sethk> eXistenZ, you can hash anything with a public key.  depending on what you has, the has result is different, but the point is you can prove that it was hashed with the public key
[11:32] <TBNolan> i get an error, saying it can't find the tcl.h and other tcl files (sorry for splitting up my lines, i have a bad habbit)
[11:32] <e-type> data__: no
[11:32] <e-type> !ati > data
[11:32] <data__> alright. thanks again :)
[11:32] <blub> sethk: looks like it is, but I was wondering why I couldn't find opera and win32codes with the default manager
[11:32] <sethk> data__, there are some general ati linux problems, they do not vary by distro
[11:33] <e-type> !ati > dat__
[11:33] <erUSUL> TBNolan: sudo apt-get install tcl-dev
[11:33] <jrib> TBNolan: eggdrop is in the repositories
[11:33] <data__> !ati
[11:33] <e-type> !ati > data__
[11:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:33] <sethk> blub, I'm not sure about opera; I think you have to add a repository to the list of repositories to get opera
[11:33] <e-type> lol, trying a lot
[11:33] <lamego> Leonrott, you should get something like: http://paste.ubuntubrasil.org/628
[11:33] <TBNolan> jrib, no kiding?
[11:33] <tuxtux> notte @all
[11:33] <jrib> !info eggdrop
[11:33] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.17-3 (dapper), package size 459 kB, installed size 1144 kB
[11:33] <lamego> Leonrott, have you selected the standalone mode ?
[11:33] <e-type> naptime for me
[11:33] <e-type> laterz all
[11:33] <blub> sethk: is there a list with extra repositories? I am googeling around, but no success so far
[11:34] <jrib> TBNolan: I kid you not, should be available to you if you have enabled universe
[11:34] <TBNolan> i just did a sude apt-get install eggdrop and it worked
[11:34] <TBNolan> just don't know what to do afterwards
[11:34] <TBNolan> heh
[11:34] <Jack_Sparrow> blub: what are youlooking for? Have you enabled multiverse and universe
[11:34] <sethk> blub, I thought someone gave you the repository for opera.  I think you can do:
[11:34] <sethk> !opera
[11:34] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[11:34] <blub> Jack_Sparrow: universe I have but multiverse... moment
[11:34] <lamego> TBNolan, you will need to read a tutorial or manual about eggdrop
[11:34] <sethk> blub, follow that url
[11:34] <TBNolan> i know eggdrop
[11:34] <TBNolan> erm, windrop, i guess
[11:34] <TBNolan> never done it on linux
[11:35] <TheGateKeeper> blub what are you trying to install?
[11:35] <blub> okay, thanks
[11:35] <lamego> so read a manual :)
[11:35] <sethk> TBNolan, you probably need a dev package
[11:35] <blub> TheGateKeeper: a whole bunch of shit :-) Just looking for repositories to cover as much as possible
[11:35] <TBNolan> lamego, i've got a problem first: "unable to fetch some archives"
[11:35] <sethk> TBNolan, that was about your tcl question, which may be obsolete
[11:36] <TBNolan> thankyou sethk
[11:36] <lamego> TBNolan, do you have all of the ubuntu repos configured ?
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> blub: http://za1012001.googlepages.com/modifyingubunturepositories
[11:36] <TBNolan> i thought i did
[11:36] <sethk> TBNolan, try it again, I see that occasionally when a repository is heavily loaded and slow
[11:36] <Jack_Sparrow> blub: Going outside normal repos is a good way to break your system
[11:36] <Abst> Can anyone recommend an IRC client?
[11:36] <Abst> Just a generic one
[11:36] <Leonrott> lamego, yes
[11:36] <jrib> Abst: do you want gui or command line?
[11:36] <Abst> GUI
[11:36] <lotusleaf> Abst: a lot of people like xchat
[11:36] <AsadR> is it possible to make the applications that require Administrative access save the root password for a certain duration, so that I don't have to enter it again and again?
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> !seveas > blub
[11:37] <jrib> Abst: yeah go with xchat, _not_ xchat-gnome
[11:37] <Abst> !irc
[11:37] <ubotu> irc is Internet Relay Chat - Ubuntu IRC clients: xchat (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XChatHowto), gaim (http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Konversation (http://konversation.berlios.de/docs/) - Also see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat and !guidelines
[11:37] <Abst> Okay
[11:37] <lamego> AsadR, sudo already does that
[11:37] <jazzrocker> aba_, XChat
[11:37] <jazzrocker> Abst, XChat
[11:37] <nibby> someone know how to install XGL ?? i does the synaptic install of XGL but i cant figure how to start it!
[11:37] <Abst> Okay XChat seems to be the one
[11:37] <Abst> Thanks
[11:37] <blub> Jack_Sparrow: me know.. but no trouble no fun ;-)
[11:37] <Jack_Sparrow> AsadR: I think it does for 10 minutes
[11:37] <data__> sethk: so, is it hard to get ati cards to work with linux, or even worth the hassle?
[11:37] <lamego> !xgl > nibby
[11:37] <jrib> !xgl
[11:37] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[11:37] <nibby> jrib: thanks again
[11:37] <AsadR> so if i look up the sudo docs, and configure it to remember the authentication the administrative apps won't keep asking me for the passwd agian n again?
[11:37] <jrib> oops
[11:38] <seatouch-> !mpeg
[11:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:38] <sethk> data__, no, not terribly hard, really.  most are automatically configured when you install, or by the config program is you change your card
[11:38] <Jack_Sparrow> data__: You can get them to work..
[11:38] <lamego> AsadR, sudo has a default timeout, but yes you can nusdo sudoers to allow certain commands to be used without prompting for the password
[11:38] <sethk> data__, there are a few that are problematic, but mostly they are ok
[11:38] <lamego> but the default timeout is safer
[11:38] <Leonrott> lamego, look that unable to redirect logging to '/var/log/syslog.log'
[11:38] <data__> cool.. my friend is trying to give ubuntu a shot because everyone says ubuntu is a great distro for a newbie to start working with
[11:38] <seatouch> !mpeg
[11:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:39] <sethk> AsadR, you can configure which apps require passwords and which don't
[11:39] <lamego> Leonrott, that looks bad
[11:39] <nagyv_> I have just installed breezy (I could not install dapper, but I would like to upgrade). when installed I had no net, how can I configure it now?
[11:39] <sethk> AsadR, but by doing that you are going even further down the false "sudo is safer" path
[11:39] <lamego> Leonrott, have you installed proftp from the standard ubuntu repos ?
[11:39] <AsadR> sethk: is it possible for me to let it cache the credentials until i logout, or manually purge it?
[11:39] <Leonrott> lamego, i think yes
[11:39] <lamego> nagyv_, first you should understand why you were not able to run dapper
[11:40] <lamego> because you may get into the same problem after the upgrade
[11:40] <Leonrott> lamego, its kubuntu but none ftp works fine for me
[11:40] <AsadR> like it does in Fedora. (*grin*)
[11:40] <lamego> Leonrott, you used sudo apt-get install protftpd ?
[11:40] <wweasel> What do I put in fstab to mount an ext2 partition as r/w? Right now it is "/dev/hda6       /media/data     ext2    defaults        0       2"
[11:40] <sethk> AsadR, there is no difference between ubuntu and fedora.  both have su, both have sudo
[11:40] <TBNolan> eek, i think us.archive.ubuntu.com is down:-(
[11:40] <Leonrott> lamego, yes
[11:40] <lamego> Leonrott, you must have a system configuration problem
[11:40] <nagyv_> lamego: because the install CD didn't started (I am trying it on a Thinkpad 600)
[11:40] <sethk> AsadR, you can set the root password and use su just like any *nix
[11:40] <lamego> nagyv_, have you tried the alternate cd ?
[11:41] <Leonrott> lamego, humm
[11:41] <AsadR> sethk: Fedora gives a cute icon in my systray that tells me the authentication credentials have been saved
[11:41] <sethk> AsadR, I'm not too excited about cute icons, but I'm sure you can do the same thing in ubuntu.  it's the same software
[11:41] <AsadR> which more or less stays for a long time, but that just might be my imagination. point is, what's the command for purging sudo's credentials, and where can i change the timeout?
[11:41] <lamego> Leonrott, ls -lad /var/log/syslog
[11:41] <sethk> AsadR, visudo is how you configure sudo
[11:42] <TBNolan> rmdir will remove an empty dir
[11:42] <lamego> AsadR, man sudo
[11:42] <TBNolan> what will remove a full one?
[11:42] <Leonrott> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 40670 2006-08-30 17:41 /var/log/syslog
[11:42] <Leonrott> lamego, -rw-r----- 1 root adm 40670 2006-08-30 17:41 /var/log/syslog
[11:42] <lamego> ok, syslogs seems fine
[11:42] <lamego> do a tail on it to check for some system errors
[11:42] <AsadR> kthx
[11:42] <wweasel> Surely someone here knows what to put in fstab to get r/w
[11:42] <lamego> wweasel, what partition type ?
[11:42] <sethk> wweasel, that's the default, but that's also probably not what you mean
[11:43] <Leonrott> lamego, Fatal: SystemLog: unable to redirect logging to '/var/log/syslog.log': Permission denied on line 32 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'
[11:43] <sri> hi folks, does anybody know if dapper's kernel is compiled with evms support?
[11:43] <wweasel> lamego, sethk: I asked about 30 secs ago and knew someone here would know. I'll repost
[11:43] <wweasel> What do I put in fstab to mount an ext2 partition as r/w? Right now it is "/dev/hda6       /media/data     ext2    defaults        0       2"
[11:44] <sethk> wweasel, that will mount it rw.   don't confuse mounting read only vs. read-write with different users having read and/or write privileges to the directories and files
[11:44] <lamego> Leonrott, could you check the contents of '/etc/proftpd.conf' line 32 ?
[11:44] <nagyv_> lamego: yes I did. the problem was with the new isolinux format or with my cd (finally I was used an original breezy)
[11:44] <lamego> I dont have anything usefull on that line
[11:44] <wweasel> sethk: Right! Sorry, need to put uid=
[11:44] <sethk> wweasel, mount (with no arguments) shows your currently mounted partitions.   on that list, rw means read/write, ro means read only
[11:44] <lamego> nagyv_, ok, so you only need to change your sources.list to point to dapper
[11:44] <sethk> wweasel, for ext2, that's unusual
[11:44] <lamego> and perform a dist-upgrade
[11:45] <lamego> nagyv_, please be ware that some persons have experienced problems with the dist-upgrade
[11:45] <Leonrott> lamego, SystemLog			/var/log/syslog.log
[11:45] <wweasel> sethk: Yeah, it's rw
[11:45] <sethk> wweasel, usually you use the uid and gid options for file systems that don't have permissions, or to map external uid numbers to match internal ones, as for an nfs mount
[11:45] <Leonrott> lamego, hehe this is the line
[11:45] <nagyv_> I know, but I need a network connection to work, how could I get it?
[11:45] <sethk> wweasel, for a locally mounted ext2 file system, use chown and/or chmod to make the file permissions how you want them
[11:45] <eobanb_> har @ global notice
[11:45] <lamego> wweasel, the defaults for ext2 include rw, your problem must be with the permissions of the contents
[11:46] <TBNolan> which software?
[11:46] <eobanb_> TBNolan, gentoo 2006.1`
[11:46] <TBNolan> heh
[11:46] <sri> the reason I ask is that while I have the user tools, I'm not sure if dapper's kernel includes the evms patches already or if I have to apply it?
[11:46] <wimpies> guys when docs state that usbfs should be mounted on /proc/usb/bus but when I run mount I see probususb mounted on /proc/bus/usb ... does the usbfs/procbususb name difference matter ?
[11:46] <sethk> wimpies, no
[11:46] <Dimensions> hi ... i have previously updated kernel and i have two kernels options in ubuntu grub along with MS OS ... i wanted to remove the old kernel which i have simply deleted from /boot/grub/menu.lst ......... is that ok ? second part of my question is i have MS OS options at bottom i want to move it to first and second option should be of ubuntu ... how can i do it ?
[11:47] <sethk> wimpies, /proc/bus/usb makes a lot more sense, although they should be using /sys, not /proc, so it will change again
[11:47] <Leonrott> lamego, can i delete this line??
[11:47] <sethk> Dimensions, just move the windows lines up using an editor
[11:47] <TBNolan> /ping us.archive.ubuntu.com :-(
[11:48] <wimpies> it is that my zen is not detected although lsusb shows the device and I added a line to the rules.d file of udev to the propper vendor/product ID
[11:48] <sethk> Dimensions, make sure you get all the lines, likely three lines I think for windows
[11:48] <kees_> hi I have a problem mounting a ext3 partition
[11:48] <sethk> wimpies, kernel module for it probably isn't loaded
[11:48] <sethk> kees_, what problem?
[11:48] <kees_> I want it to be mounted at boot, in a way every user can store files on it
[11:48] <kees_> sethk: so I need write rights for every user
[11:49] <wimpies> sethk : doesn't that occur automatically ? and which module should that be ?
[11:49] <wimpies> ... for a ZEN ?
[11:49] <sethk> kees_, that's not a mount problem, that's a file and directory permissions issue
[11:49] <sethk> kees_, use chown and chmod to set the ownership and permissions the way you need them
[11:50] <Abst> IS synaptic/apt-get down for anyone else?
[11:50] <mots> hi
[11:50] <sri> ciao folks
[11:50] <TBNolan> Abst: yes, me
[11:50] <mots> do you know how to autologin in shell?
[11:50] <TBNolan> i think its us.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:50] <TBNolan> that just hangs and hangs for me
[11:50] <Abst> Yeah
[11:50] <kees_> sethk: well I have a directory /home/kees/data which has normal permissions and is owned by the user kees and group kees
[11:50] <Abst> I guess i'll just have to wait
[11:50] <sethk> wimpies, doesn't necessarily occur automatically, no.  depends on the configuration.
[11:50] <TBNolan> me three
[11:50] <lamego> mots, you want to add some commands on system startup ?
[11:50] <Abst> I'll go play nethack
[11:50] <sethk> kees_, ok, then user kees can write to that directory.
[11:51] <kees_> sethk: but as soon as I mount with the command "mount ~/data", the owner chages to root root, although I mount it without sudo
[11:51] <mots> lamego: well, I want to autologin with my username/pw and run freevo
[11:51] <wimpies> sethk : i use dapper ... what should I do/add/change to load what is needed ?
[11:51] <sethk> kees_, that makes no sense
[11:51] <sethk> kees_, the mounting user must have permission to mount, but that has nothing to do with the permissions of the mounted partition and the files in it.
[11:51] <kees_> sethk: I have rw,user,auto as fstab options, should be alright?
[11:52] <lamego> mots, why do you want to autologin, dont you want that to run always during the system boot ?
[11:52] <sethk> kees_, yes, that should cause it to mount when you boot the system
[11:52] <mots> lamego: what do you mean?
[11:52] <sethk> kees_, if it is an ext3 file system, the ownership will not change by mounting it
[11:52] <harman> how do you stop ubuntu from booting directly into the graphical login?
[11:53] <mots> I only want to start my computer and have a working freevo running, without having to type in anything
[11:53] <sethk> kees_, you did say that's its ext3, right?
[11:53] <idefix> why can't you record a macro in the GIMP? can you record macro's in linux itself?
[11:53] <kees_> sethk: yes it is ext3
[11:53] <ompaul> harman, sudo apt-get install rcconf && sudo rcconf << when done turn off gdm and quit the program
[11:53] <kees_> sethk: the fstab line is like this: "/dev/sda5       /home/kees/data      ext3    rw,user,auto 0     0"
[11:54] <MetaMorfoziS> what i need to isntall for the "svn" cmd get working?
[11:54] <sethk> kees_, that's fine, but if you see it as owned by root and group root, use chown to change the ownership.  You'll have to use sudo chown -R kees:kees /home/kees/data
[11:54] <kees_> sethk: but when I type "mount ~/data" when logged in as Kees in a terminal, the ownership of ~/data changes to root root
[11:54] <mots> lamego?
[11:54] <mots> still here?
[11:54] <sethk> kees_, no, that can't happen
[11:54] <kees_> sethk: well it does :p
[11:54] <sethk> kees_, it doesn't change to root, root, it probably always was root root
[11:54] <sethk> kees_, no, it doesn't _change_,
[11:54] <sethk> kees_, why do you think it was ever other than root, root?
[11:54] <kees_> sethk: when I "ls -l" I see ~/data as kees:kees
[11:55] <sethk> kees_, oh, you are covering one directory with the mount
[11:55] <kees_> sethk: but after a mount performed as a user it's root:root
[11:55] <sethk> kees_, you have files in /home/kees/data, and when you mount over it, you cover those files with the files on the partition
[11:55] <Fille> Hi guys
[11:55] <sethk> kees_, you should mount only to an empty directory
[11:55] <kees_> sethk: when not mounted ~/data is totally empty
[11:55] <Fille> I'm having problems installing Firefox on my Kubuntu
[11:55] <eXistenZ> Which is better RSA or DSA?
[11:55] <harman> thanks
[11:55] <sethk> kees_, ok, then you haven't told me when the files were every other than root, root
[11:56] <Fille> Thought maybe one of you guys could help me
[11:56] <bruenig> Fille, what is the problem?
[11:56] <jrib> Fille: how are you trying to install it?
[11:56] <Fille> I've unpacked the content to here: /home/philip/Firefox/
[11:56] <bruenig> Fille, a simple sudo apt-get install firefox should do it
[11:56] <gimmulf_> Is there any good tool to repair .mp4 movies that suddenly freezez?
[11:56] <sethk> kees_, rather than try to figure out why something that can't happen does happen, it's better to try and figure out what your misconception is.
[11:56] <kees_> sethk: what do you mean by that? I don' t understand what you mean?
[11:56] <bruenig> Fille is there any reason you aren't using the firefox in the repos?
[11:56] <sethk> kees_, you mount it, and it is root, root.  in that case, it always was root, root
[11:57] <sethk> kees_, unless, of course, you changed it with chown
[11:57] <sethk> kees_, so I'm trying to find out when you saw it as other than root, root
[11:57] <kees_> sethk: and when I unount, it must be root:root too right?
[11:57] <sethk> kees_, and you tell me before you mount it
[11:57] <kees_> sethk: it is the directory ~/data
[11:57] <sethk> kees_, oh, you are talking about the permissions on the mount point
[11:57] <sethk> kees_, they don't matter, generally
[11:58] <sethk> kees_, do the mount, then if you want the directories and files to be kees:kees, do:   chown -R kees:kees ~/data
[11:58] <kees_> sethk: could you PM me I don' t want to bother all the other users, so I can explain again, when I PM you you don't see it I think
[11:58] <Fille> E: Unable to lock the administrative directory
[11:58] <looksaus> I have a quite exotic situation here:
[11:58] <sethk> kees_, if I don't see it, you must not have registered your nick with freenode
[11:58] <Fille> I get that error when typing that command
[11:58] <looksaus> an x86 without disks (no HD, no CD)
[11:58] <kees_> sethk: yes well that will work, but will it have ownership kees kees after it is mounten by a reboot of the system
[11:58] <sethk> kees_, it won't let you pm unless your nick is registered.  I am not blocking it.
[11:59] <looksaus> and a USB disk
[11:59] <lamego> Filbert, close the other application management programs
[11:59] <sethk> kees_, yes, that chown will be permanent
[11:59] <looksaus> I also have a ppc laptop
[11:59] <eXistenZ> Which is better RSA or DSA?
[11:59] <bruenig> Fille, you don't have adept or update manager or anything like that open do you?
[11:59] <eetfunk> is there an autoexec.bat-like file in ubuntu?  i want the os to run a command at bootup
[11:59] <kees_> sethk: aha let me try that then, thanks
[11:59] <lamego> existance, I believe its DSA, safer
[11:59] <sethk> kees_, ok, sorry if I'm confusing you.  :)
[11:59] <looksaus> any idea how I can create a bootable usb disk for this x86 machine ?
[11:59] <kees_> no not at all
[11:59] <bjunior> where is bash_profile in ubuntu?
[11:59] <existance> lamego, eh?
[11:59] <sethk> kees_, register your nick, it's easy and then you'll be able to pm people if you need to
[11:59] <gimmulf_> is there any good gui software for converting mp4 files?
[11:59] <kees_> sethk: but if I want the partition also to be mounten in another home dir what do I do then?
[11:59] <sethk> bjunior, /etc, for the system wide one.  your own is ~/.bash_profile
[12:00] <existance> lamego, perhaps you meant eXistenZ
[12:00] <lamego> ops, yes
[12:00] <Fille> I've got adept
[12:00] <sethk> kees_, you can mount it anywhere.  the ownership will still be kees:kees, though, regardless of where you mount it
[12:00] <Fille> but it says it's installed
[12:00] <Fille> but I don't see the program
[12:00] <bjunior> sethk , ok man
[12:00] <Fille> :((((
[12:00] <eXistenZ> existance, why are you using my nick ;[
[12:00] <lamego> Fille, try running it from the command line
[12:00] <bruenig> Fille, type do "firefox" in konsole


[09:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[23:33] <Espreon> ianto: Hurry, the Scotts are gonna get po files for their language in the repository first!
[23:33] <Espreon> Hmmm... one t too many.
[23:34] <Espreon> Perhaps I shall use the first t to crucify the second...
[23:35] <Espreon> But really, it probably won't matter.
[23:35] <Espreon> Let's just see how fluent this Scottish Gaelic speaker is...
[23:43] <Espreon> Well, at least you'll beat the Cornish no matter what.
[23:44] <Espreon> ... and the Manx... and I guess the Bretons.
[23:44] <Espreon> Am I missing anyone?
[23:45] <ianto> Irish?
[23:46] <Espreon> The Irish already have po files.
[23:48] <Espreon> Does anyone really care about Cornwall anymore?
[23:51] <Espreon> ianto: I felt like I've asked you this before, but do you know where I can get a good introductory text for Welsh grammar?
[23:52] <ianto> Espreon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Modern-Welsh-Comprehensive-Routledge-Grammars/dp/0415282705 ?
[23:54] <Espreon> I was looking for an e-text.
[23:54] <Espreon> But ick, that's expensive.
[23:54] <ianto> Heh welcome to academia
[23:56] <Espreon> And sadly, the only Welsh grammar books my university has is one that was written in the eighteenth century (not quite sure what stage I'd be reading about... but still...) and another on Middle Welsh.
[23:56] <Espreon> Not that I wouldn't care to learn about Middle Welsh... it's just that... I'm sure Middle Welsh has those evil central vowels.
[23:57] <Espreon> Yeah, distinctive central high vowels don't like me and I don't like them.
[23:57] <Espreon> That's why I avoid Northern Welsh.
[23:57] <Espreon> ... for now.
[23:58] <ianto> Espreon: It might be worth reading some of John Morris Jones' stuff, it was done in the late 19th century but still has relevance today
[23:58] <ianto> Espreon: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Welsh_Grammar,_Historical_and_Comparative
[23:59] <Espreon> I'll have a look at it sometime. Thanks.
[23:59] <Espreon> Right now, I'm hunting down sources for English runes.
[23:59] <Espreon> ... every source possible...


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[01:02] <Unit193> So, might want to update the !LTS factoid now?  Note, several flavors have gone for the option of 3 years of support, not sure any opted out entirely.
[01:14] <IdleOne> submit edit, poke, person with editor rights, feel good about self for having contributed.
[01:14] <IdleOne> s/poke,/poke/
[01:15] <Unit193> IdleOne: Poooke. :---D
[01:15] <Unit193> (Hey, I already fixed a few things, already feel great! :P )  Well, normally it's now 5 for mainline, L and X went with 3, not sure about the rest.
[01:16] <IdleOne> Well, neither am I :)
[01:27] <Unit193> IdleOne: Kubuntu and Ubuntu/UbuntuDesktop/UbuntuCore are 5, all others are 3.
[09:07] <MooDoo> hello all


[14:02] <Pendulum> pleia2: ping? (I have a quick question for you if it's okay for me to /msg you?)
[14:02] <pleia2> Pendulum: yeah, but I'm on the phone with a client so it might be a few minutes
[14:02] <Pendulum> no problem, isn't that time sensitive
[16:10] <nigel_nb> hello everyone
[16:31] <pleia2> hey nigel_nb :)
[16:31] <nigel_nb> hey pleia2, I thought u were working
[16:31] <pleia2> I am
[16:31] <nigel_nb> pleia2: learn from me, I'm bunking :P
[16:32] <pleia2> bunking?
[16:32] <mhall119|work> another british phrase that doesn't translate well to American?
[16:33] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: probably, but then I'm not british anyway
[16:33] <nigel_nb> pleia2: too lazy, I'm just taking a day off ;)
[16:33] <pleia2> ah :)
[16:36] <nigel_nb> pleia2: I kinda broke my glasses and now I'm left with a headache...so..
[16:36] <pleia2> nigel_nb: aw :(
[16:37] <nigel_nb> the entire day, when I wanted to get some work done, my laptop refused to boot.
[16:37] <nigel_nb> When my laptop did boot, now I can't work :(
[17:24] <cjohnston> mornin
[17:25] <nigel_nb> mornin cjohnston
[17:26]  * cjohnston doesnt want to be at work...
[17:26]  * cjohnston wants to know if he can go home
[17:32] <pleia2> I want to play video games
[17:33] <cjohnston> lol
[17:33] <nigel_nb> pleia2: aw, u mean the old console style or the old brick game kind?
[17:33] <pleia2> wii!
[17:33] <nigel_nb> ah, the modern woman :P
[17:34] <nigel_nb> pleia2: since we're dreaming on... I wanna go hiking
[17:34] <nigel_nb> ;)
[17:56] <mhall119|work> wii hiking?
[17:57] <cjohnston> lol
[17:57] <nigel_nb> lol
[17:58] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: I wanna go hikin and pleia2 wants to play wii
[17:59] <nigel_nb> :P
[18:10] <nigel_nb> pleia2, cjohnston, mhall119|work: any of you guys joining in on jono's lernid session? he's doing some sort of an intro session today
[18:11] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: im at work.. so will all depend.. what time was it?
[18:11] <cjohnston> is it
[18:11] <nigel_nb> 7 pm utc
[18:11] <nigel_nb> 50 minutes or so to go
[18:12] <cjohnston> k
[18:12] <cjohnston> i think i may take a nap
[18:12] <Pendulum> cjohnston: have a nice nap
[18:12] <cjohnston> lol
[18:12] <cjohnston> i have to get permission first
[18:13] <Pendulum> I wish I could make jono's session, but I'm at work which means I'm on MacOS :(
[18:13] <nigel_nb> cjohnston: now dats odd, permission for a nap
[18:13] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: its cause im at work
[18:13] <nigel_nb> cjohnston: I know, just kiddin
[18:14]  * nigel_nb is gonna kill some time watching step up
[18:46] <mhall119|work> nigel_nb: cool, I'll try and get on
[18:47] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: :)
[18:47] <mhall119|work> nigel_nb: developer week or example week?
[18:47] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: example week
[18:48] <mhall119|work> connected
[18:49] <nigel_nb> me too :)
[18:50] <starcraftman> example week?
[18:51] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: yes
[18:51] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: what's that? We got another new week to prep for?
[18:52] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: haha, no, jono is taking a session about lernid
[18:52] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: ah, lernid, when's session I was curious about that thing.
[18:53] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: in 10 minutes
[18:53] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: channel?
[18:53] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: open lernid and join example week
[18:54] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: ah, that would help! hehe
[18:54] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: if u dont have lernid
[18:54] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/01/05/lernid-0-4-released-and-demo/
[18:56] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: oh I do.
[19:05] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: definitely has nice potential, maybe next event after this userdays. lernid ahve a  fixed roadmap?
[19:05] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: yep
[19:05] <nigel_nb> starcraftman: to be ready by dev week
[19:06] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: ah rgr. Ok.
[19:36] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: that was an amazing session
[19:36] <mhall119|work> most of my functionality didn't work
[19:37] <mhall119|work> because it couldn't make the IRC connection
[19:37] <mhall119|work> because my work network blocks it
[19:37] <mhall119|work> next time I'll hack it to run over an ssh tunnel
[19:42] <nigel_nb> mhall119|work: the browser to slide switch was amazing
[19:44] <mhall119|work> wish I had seen it
[19:44] <mhall119|work> any idea what port IRC uses?
[19:45] <nigel_nb> 6000 something
[19:48] <cjohnston> 6667 depending on what server
[19:49] <cjohnston> freenode i believe is 6667
[19:51] <nigel_nb> yea
[19:56] <starcraftman> just a tip to you guys, jgoguen pointed it out. In ~/.local/share/lernid/ is a cache of slides and presenter speach before disconnect.
[19:58] <nigel_nb> oh, gr8
[19:59] <starcraftman> nigel_nb: aye, tis cool.
[19:59] <starcraftman> needs a chat dump though too.
[21:08]  * cjohnston feels like he needs coffee..
[21:11]  * Pendulum gives cjohnston coffee
[21:11]  * nigel_nb gives cjohnston an apple
[21:12] <cjohnston> lol
[21:12] <cjohnston> thanks
[21:12] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: the lernid demo was amazing :)
[21:12] <Pendulum> btw, is there anything I need to be doing for User Days at the moment?
[21:12] <Pendulum> nigel_nb: I'm jealous :(
[21:12]  * cjohnston missed it :-(
[21:12] <cjohnston> promote
[21:13] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: if I'm out of town, lead my session ;)
[21:14] <Pendulum> haha
[21:14] <Pendulum> I know nothing about your session :(
[21:19] <nigel_nb> Pendulum: I'll give you the full text, though u may need to act dumb when it comes to Q and A :P
[21:19] <cjohnston> nigel_nb: do you already have your session written?
[21:19] <cjohnston> if you do could you send it to me so i can study it
[21:19] <cjohnston> i figured i could probably do it
[21:20] <nigel_nb> naah not yet
[21:20] <nigel_nb> just talked to bdmurray today
[21:20] <nigel_nb> he wrote the original how to report bugs
[21:21] <Pendulum> it's less than 3 weeks away now!
[21:21] <cjohnston> as long as you can provide me the text, if noone else can do it, i will
[21:23] <nigel_nb> cjohnston: there is always hggh ;)
[21:23] <nigel_nb> or michag
[21:23] <nigel_nb> even if u end up being busy
[21:24] <cjohnston> true
[21:25] <cjohnston> i think i got the day off work
[21:25] <nigel_nb> then great
[21:25] <nigel_nb> another bug squad member
[21:27] <cjohnston> who what huh
[21:28] <nigel_nb> cjohnston: um, you
[22:27] <cjohnston> uhhh
[23:05] <nigel_nb> pleia2: apologies about the delay with the bzr docs
[23:06] <pleia2> nigel_nb: no worries, we all get busy :)
[23:06] <nigel_nb> like I said earlier, my computer is not being friendly
[23:06] <nigel_nb> when i can get something done and want to, it refuses to work
[23:07] <pleia2> no fun