[00:00] <Hamra> no idea really, but maybe an ifdown on the wireless device first, helps?
[00:01] <ubuntu91human2> hi
[00:04] <Hamra> !hi | ubuntu91human2
[00:06] <ubuntu91human2> hi
[00:07] <ubuntu91human2> hello, what's the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu??
[00:08] <ubuntu91human2> and....... how do I install Tor on ubuntu?
[00:09] <guillom> ubuntu uses Gnome, kubuntu uses KDE
[00:09] <Hamra> Ubuntu uses the GNOME desktop environment, which is simple, and easy to use. Kubuntu uses the K desktop environment (KDE), powerful, feature full, and well... being a kubuntu user... pwns GNOME :P
[00:09] <ubuntu91human2> :P
[00:09] <ubuntu91human2> I see...........
[00:10] <ubuntu91human2> I need to install Tor on ubuntu, any idea how?
[00:10] <guillom> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tor
[00:10] <guillom> google is your friend :)
[00:11] <ubuntu91human2> thanks
[00:14] <ubuntu91human2> but it didn't say 10.04
[00:20] <keebod> Hello Guys
[00:21] <KenBW2> can anyone explain this when i try to set up a CVS server: http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=33110
[00:21] <keebod> I wanted to Format my Ipod in ubuntu, but whenever i tried it, its giving me an error. "Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdc" :(
[00:22] <keebod> "sdc" is a drive, i know. but, how will i create sdc1 or sdc2 or anything unless it lets me? :-s
[00:23] <KenBW2> keebod: you ever used gparted?
[00:23] <keebod> KenBW2 even gparted could not do it. in fact its worse in gparted. it did not even detect /dev/sdc :(
[00:24] <KenBW2> hmm, thats strange
[00:25] <KenBW2> im not familiar with iPods, but they sort of hide their filesystems don't they?
[00:26] <keebod> KenBW2: well, its hfs+.. as its a product from apple? so i installed hfstools, hfsprogs so that the file system is detected
[00:28] <sidney> i got one of those security popup windows you normally get in MS Windows am I going to have problems here?
[00:28] <markus_> sidney: In your browser? Or where?
[00:28] <sidney> In Firefox
[00:29] <sidney> markus_: in firefox
[00:29] <markus_> sidney: What does it say?
[00:29] <markus_> sidney: Like they did not buy a certificate? Add an exception. Has nothing to do with the OS
[00:30] <KenBW2> keebod: try http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fusemoslinux.blogspot.com%2F2010%2F05%2Flucid-no-automonta-tus-pendrives-aqui.html
[00:30] <sidney> markus_: i took screen shots but is says i have security threats
[00:30] <markus_> sidney: This security companies are a mafia!  Foget it when you trust the site
[00:31] <keebod> KenBW2: well it asked me to edit the modules directry in /etc.. surprisingly i dont have such a folder!
[00:32] <sidney> well maybe i'll just delete these backgroungs i downloaded
[00:32] <keebod> KenBW2:  error message was "no protocol specified"
[00:33] <markus_> keebod: I have than message with akonadi
[00:34] <keebod> markus_: i'm sorry. i did not understand what you meant :(
[00:35] <markus_> keebod: Sorry, did not read the rest of your messages. I get protocol errors with akonadi ;)
[00:36] <keebod> markus_: well, my problem as of now is that i formatted the ipod with diskutility(gui) and then tried partitioning it, which did not work. so as of now its an electronic device capable of storing things but no file system on it :( without a file system how to mount it? :-S
[00:38] <markus_> keebod: I will never ever buy any apple product. Closed source is not my thing . With my smartphone I have 35 Gigs thats enough for all my music :) So can't be of any help here.
[00:38] <keebod> markus_: i did not buy it. i will never buy it :P my friend gifted it to me for my birthday :)
[00:40] <markus_> keebod: Okay, so time to play with it and break it ;)
[00:41] <keebod> markus_: i already broke it, i guess :( god! you have any thoughts on how to create a file system on an empty usb hard disk? coz, right now thats what my ipod is :P
[00:42] <markus_> keebod: wasn't that something like "mkfs /dev/sda1". But before you have to use fdisk I guess
[00:43] <keebod> oh yeah! mkfs :D how did i forget that command when my RHCE exam is scheduled next month? :O
[00:43] <keebod> @markus_: oh yeah! mkfs :D how did i forget that command when my RHCE exam is scheduled next month? :O
[00:44] <markus_> keebod: What does that exam include? Only server side?
[00:46] <keebod> markus_: well, not really. it has three modules. 1) red hat linux essentials.. 2) red hat network essentialsd and security administration.. 3) linux system administration
[00:46] <markus_> keebod: Huh. Seems pretty red hat focused to me. Aren't there certificates that are more general?
[00:48] <keebod> markus_: obviously. RHCE means Red Hat Certified Engineer. its required for me to apply for jobs in Europe :P
[00:49] <markus_> keebod: Strange. Red Hat is US based. Most companies I know use Debian or Ubuntu. I am european even when I am not living there anymore ;)
[00:50] <keebod> markus_: but could you suggest me any other linux based certification? i've never heard of any other :( at least not in india. thats where i'm from.
[00:50] <Tacobob> looking for a little help getting a wireless card going on a freshly installed Kubuntu 10.4 box, this machine does not have a wired connection and can not at this point, I have downloaded ndiswrapper 1.56 , the drivers for my dated linksys wmp11v4 card, and even gcc 4.5, have these stored on a flash drive now. But at this point I am lost, and none of the docs I have found on the net seem to work without errors. Starting with the compiler, I
[00:55] <markus_> Tacobob: I got ndiswrapper working once. But I found it too difficult. I prefer to buy a usb stick now that just works. They are cheap nowadays ;)
[00:57] <e_t_> keebod: There's the Linux Professional Institute (www.lpi.org) and Canonical offers Ubuntu certifications. I think Novell has certs too.
[00:58] <keebod> markus_: oh. its a news to me. i will look into it. but i'm sure where i'm right now, those are not available.  Have been to india once ;)
[01:01] <keebod> markus_: omg!! Germany is what i'm trying for :P
[01:01] <markus_> keebod: Speak german already? Guess thats the main obstacle?
[01:02] <keebod> not just speaking. i should prove it with a certificate that i learnt it! that too only Goethe Institute certificate is accepted!
[01:03] <keebod> markus_: not just speaking. i should prove it with a certificate that i learnt it! that too only Goethe Institute certificate is accepted!
[01:04] <keebod> markus_: if i can speak German, will it be helping me to learh dutch(netherlands one)?
[01:04] <markus_> keebod: There is a göthe institute in all countries. Here in colombia its more or less close to where I live. But colombians are great artists but do not really liek to program. Thats what I am here for ;)
[01:05] <keebod> markus_: in india i have never heard of an institute that charges even 1/4th of what Goethe charges :(
[01:08] <markus_> keebod: English will help you in germany. But german is obligatory. I am still improving my spanish. Quite difficult though :(
[01:08] <keebod> markus_: Spanish is cool :P
[01:09] <markus_> keebod: I think one of the languages of the future. Besides Arabic, Hindu and Mandarin.
[01:14] <keebod> markus_: All the three languages you mentioned are pretty ancient i guess :P
[01:15] <markus_> keebod: I mean german is dying out as is english So better learn a language where the population is growing. Wow, we are stuff that is strongly kubuntu related ;)
[01:16] <keebod> markus_: ubuntu means 'towards humanity' other than 'beer'.. right? humanity requires language ;)
[01:18] <markus_> keebod: beer, languages and ubuntu. Sounds reasonable ;) If we add sex and rock it could be sufficient for me ;)
[01:18] <keebod> markus_: that might get us banned or kicked out :|
[01:18] <karuru> sex ubuntu and rock'n'roll
[01:19] <keebod> markus_: by the way, i recovered my iPod :D
[01:19] <markus_> keebod: really? by just formatting it?
[01:19] <keebod> now i need something or some kinda library files or tools to mount the HFS+ file system :-S
[01:20] <keebod> markus_: lol. yea. the terminal way. it asked me whether it should proceed even though i did not specify a partition, but the whole disk!. i typed 'Y'.. now iots done :D
[01:20] <markus_> I you why I like this channel so much more than the official ubuntu channel. Always when I write something there that is not directly related to the OS I get "Please switch to ubuntu off-topic" ;)
[01:21] <keebod> markus_: hahaha. yea. the bot in ubuntu channel is a bit rude :P
[01:23] <keebod> !bot
[01:23] <keebod> !bot off-topic
[01:24] <Scunizi> I can't get knetworkmanager to boot with a static ip. I can manually switch it after boot since it remembers how I configured it. How do I get it to stick through a reboot?
[01:25] <karuru> simply dont use knetworkmananger
[01:26] <karuru> its buggy as hell
[01:26] <Scunizi> karuru: you suggesting wicd?
[01:26] <karuru> i just configure it with /etc/network/interfaces
[01:27] <karuru> why do you need the frontend?
[01:27] <Scunizi> karuru: yea.. I've done that in the past but don't know how to do it for vpn.. looks like network manager will do vpn and wicd don't
[01:27] <karuru> openvpn?
[01:29] <Scunizi> never tried it..
[01:30] <karuru> i mean, do you connect with a openvpn network?
[01:30] <Scunizi> not really sure.. I connect with an IP-PBX that is probably some bsd variant..
[01:32] <Scunizi> in the past I've done it through windows but forgot what protocol I set it up as.
[01:37] <Scunizi> by the looks of it.. knetworkmanager uses openvpn..
[01:37] <karuru> http://www.jroller.com/dancruz/entry/start_stop_openvpn_with_ifupdown
[02:15] <cannonfodder> you guys know any good website where i can download ebooks...specifically introduction to x86 assembly
[02:26] <snoopy> hi need help to install a belkin N wireless adaptor
[02:29] <snoopy> i follow some instructions on the web on a thread on a ubuntu forum
[02:30] <snoopy> but i dont know i do it right
[02:31] <snoopy> please help
[02:44] <olskolirc> mythtv sent me here b/c I have kubuntu - who wants to walk me through my first mythtv setup on Lucid
[02:45] <aeonoris> I installed some packages that appear to have broken something, and now I can't even get to the login screen or the tty thing.  Is there a way to uninstall those packages with a LiveCD?
[02:47] <snoopy> need help on a belkin N usb wireless adaptor
[02:57] <olskolirc> what do you get when you boot up aeonoris
[03:04] <aeonoris> When I boot up I just get a black screen
[03:04] <aeonoris> If I turn off the computer via the power button, the screen goes purple and says some "I'm shutting down" stuff.
[03:15] <zapperdj> hi, some screen edges don't work properly when i assign actions to them
[03:15] <zapperdj> top corners for example
[03:16] <zapperdj> i have to "push" the cursor out of screen to activate the effects asigned
[03:16] <zapperdj> is there a way to solvve this?
[03:25] <vonRanke> Non-KDE programs won't play any sounds. For example, Amarok will play music, but VLC won't. Most of the troubleshooting guides I can find seem to be directed at the idea that there is no sound at all, which isn't my problem. Has anyone heard of this happening before? I'm probably going to try just a fresh reinstall, and hope that does it.
[03:32] <sidney> how do i open the network interface file in a text editor
[03:34] <Sir_Brizz> LOL
[03:36] <ridin> i do not how to explain, but how do you "activate the performance mode" in kde?
[03:36] <ridin> like how in gnome you can choose between on demand, powersave and performance?
[03:37] <jarak> hello
[03:38] <aeonoris> Hey..?
[03:39] <Carutsu__> wow I just updated my kernel and I get the following error while trying to start X:
[03:39] <Carutsu__> (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your (EE) NVIDIA: system`s kernel log for additional error messages. (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error,0) (EE) No drivers available.
[03:39] <aeonoris> Yeah, drivers are dependant on kernal
[03:39] <aeonoris> Hmm
[03:40] <aeonoris> kernel*
[03:40] <Carutsu__> well I just fell back to the older kernel until it's fixed
[03:40] <Carutsu__> kind of a shame though
[03:40] <Carutsu__> hehe
[03:40] <aeonoris> That's probably wise.  You could probably compile the driver to fit the new kernel, but uh, that's a lot of work
[03:40] <aeonoris> What does the new kernel offer?
[03:41] <aeonoris> I dunno much about kernels
[03:41] <e_t_> Carutsu__: you need both the kernel and the kernel headers. The nvidia installer is actually compiling a kernel module, so it needs the header files.
[03:42] <Carutsu__> e_t_: hm, wouldn't the headers be installed when I installed the nvidia driver?
[03:42] <Carutsu__> I mean, I got it working in the older kernel
[03:43] <e_t_> Carutsu__: you would think so, but I've had situations where apt didn't grab the new headers. I don't know why. Just install linux-headers-generic and you should be OK.
[03:44] <e_t_> ridin: the power and performance settings are in System Settings, on the Advanced tab, under Power Management.
[03:44] <Carutsu__> e_t_: I'll give it a try, should I reinstall the nvidia drivers afterwards?
[03:44] <Carutsu__> or how do I trigger the recompilation?
[03:45] <e_t_> The easiest way is to reinstall nvidia. That *should* trigger the compilation.
[03:45] <Carutsu__> e_t_: thank you very much for your help :)
[03:50] <ridin> thanks e_t_
[03:50] <e_t_> sidney: Network interfaces are stored in /etc/network/interfaces. That is a file, so to open it, type on the command-line "sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces".
[03:50] <ridin> e_t_, how do you stop having kde from loading the programs from the last session
[03:51] <sidney> e_t_:  thanks
[03:52] <e_t_> ridin: That is also in System Settings, under Session Manager. You probably want to select the option "Start with an empty session".
[03:56] <olskolirc> ummm...how do I restore my old graphic setting before i installed mythtv i lost half of my resolutions and ability to make transparent konsole
[04:07]  * avauntage
[04:16]  * vonRanke is away: Gone away for now
[04:16]  * vonRanke is back.
[04:30] <ridin> how can i play music in amarok on shuffle
[04:53] <Luija1006> Hello I got problems with runescape: No sound in the game, and I rebooted but still no sound. I am using IcedTea Plugin, solutions?
[04:54] <Hamra> ridin:  in the playlist panel to the right, look at its bottom
[04:54] <Hamra> there should be repeat/shuffle buttons
[04:54] <ridin> ok, thanks hamra
[04:58] <wizkoder> olskolirc: Did you restart your xserver? guess the program changed to tv size
[05:23] <dukem> #hack
[05:29]  * Hamra wonders if dukem is hacking his PC right now...
[05:34] <dukem> nah
[05:34] <mase_wk> plan9 hey
[05:34] <dukem> got a question if anyone could answer..I'm new to Quassel
[05:34] <mase_wk> i think i'll pass
[05:35] <dukem> alrighty
[05:35] <dukem> though its not a hard one
[05:35] <Hamra> i'm somehwta new to Quassel as well... but ask anyway
[05:35] <dukem> how do I change the background colors
[05:36] <dukem> I went to the settings but couldn't figure it out
[05:36] <Hamra> settings--> configure quassel
[05:36] <Hamra> --> chat view
[05:37] <dukem> which one is for the background though..
[05:38] <Hamra> the one called "background", bottom right
[05:39] <dukem> its doesn't change the color...hum
[05:39] <Hamra> it did here....
[05:40] <Hamra> not "highlight background", but "background"
[05:40] <Hamra> and not part of the "use sender colouring", in the section above it
[05:41] <dukem> yeah I see the background color..and its off to the right..but it wont change the color
[05:42] <dukem> and i see on pictures from google where there should be an interface tab but thats not there either
[05:43] <Hamra> what version of quassel are you on?
[05:43] <Hamra> help --> about quassel
[05:43] <dukem> 4.1
[05:44] <dukem> i just used the terminal and typed apt-get install quassel
[05:44] <Hamra> v0.4.1?
[05:44] <dukem> yeah
[05:44] <Hamra> i see.... i'm on 0.6.1 here, maybe that's why the difference
[05:44] <Hamra> are you on jaunty?
[05:45] <dukem> humm..i wonder why it didn't install that version
[05:45] <dukem> yeah
[05:45] <Hamra> i'm on Lucid here
[05:45] <dukem> ohh
[05:51] <dukem> how do you open up quassel
[05:53] <JohnL> Hello everyone.  I'm having some issues with installing Kubuntu 10.04, and was wondering if anyone could help me with it.
[05:53] <dukem> whats the problem..and how do open up quassal..i had to run it as root through my terminal
[05:55] <Hamra> K-Menu --> internet--> quassel?
[05:55] <sokeman> im on lucid nbr
[05:56] <JohnL> <= continued in chat with dukem
[05:56] <dukem> its not in my internet tab
[05:56] <dukem> so i had to run sudo quassel which i dont want to do
[05:56] <Hamra> and JohnL, what seems to be the problem while installing?
[05:57] <Hamra> then, just run quassel in konsole
[05:57] <dukem> if i just type quassel it says command not found
[05:57] <Hamra> you can use the menu editor, and put a shortcut for quassel yourself inside the kmenu
[05:57] <JohnL> I'm trying to install the OS in on a partition that I've created on my hard drive, but when I run the installer and it gets to the point to select where to install it, nothing shows up.
[05:57] <JohnL> I've been poking around with this over the last couple days, and can't seem to find anything that's really helping, even after finding similar issues on some forums that I've found.
[05:58] <JohnL> I just got back from a run, so if you need me to clarify anything, feel free to ask.
[05:58] <dukem> ohh im not sure how to help you there john
[05:58] <JohnL> Sure thing, thanks for the offer to help though
[05:59] <sokeman> im new weres a good place to chat?
[05:59] <dukem> im having problems myself..cant open quassal without running as root
[05:59] <dukem> :(
[05:59] <dukem> im new as well
[05:59] <sokeman> :)
[05:59] <Hamra> dukem: run in konsole: sudo which quassel
[06:00] <Hamra> and tell me the output
[06:00] <Hamra> JohnL: it doesnt get to the point of asking if you want manual or auto partitioning?
[06:01] <dukem> /user/bin/quassel
[06:01] <Hamra> you sure it's user not usr?
[06:01] <dukem> yeah usr my bad
[06:01] <Hamra> ok
[06:01] <JohnL> I have one hard drive, that's being divided into four partitions, with Windows 7 installed on /dev/sda2, some back up files on sda3, and freshly partitioned (using parted magic) for linux.
[06:01] <Hamra> it should run normally without root :S
[06:02] <dukem> yeah i just cant seem to open it cause it doesnt appear anywhere :/
[06:02] <Hamra> dukem:  if you type in konsole : quassel
[06:02] <Hamra> without root or anything, what happens?
[06:03] <sokeman> were can i find other channels?
[06:03] <dukem> it list a lot of stuff
[06:03] <JohnL> >Hamra: The installer goes from choosing the language, the timezone, the keyboard, then straight into the disk setup stage (which doesn't populate the list)
[06:03] <Hamra> ahh... i see
[06:04] <JohnL> Ick.  I'm trying to run it again, it's stick at 47%.....
[06:04] <gottto> sokeman: there's a website called   search irc   - don't have a link or type   /list   and check the freenode tab
[06:04] <sokeman> thanks :)
[06:05] <dukem> im not sure what else to do
[06:11] <JohnL> Any ideas on what I can do?
[06:13] <gottto> JohnL: did you do the md5 check on the disk?
[06:14] <JohnL> I did not.
[06:14] <JohnL> I can find my original file to perform the check, but it doesn't seem to be an issue, with it running everything else fine (I'm currently running off the live CD)
[06:15] <JohnL> Still stuck at 47%, even after restarting.
[06:15] <JohnL> I'm reading something about a text-based installer; I'll try downloading that to see if it makes a difference.
[06:16] <gottto> !alternate
[06:17] <vbgunz> without rebooting, how do I see my printer? I just installed the drivers for it. now, how do I see it?
[06:18] <JohnL> I did see that option.  Thanks for your help, and hopefully it will lead to a solution.
[06:19] <vbgunz> its just quicker to reboot :)
[06:20] <mase_wk> people  dpm
[06:20] <mase_wk> what i meant to say, before fat fingering the return key, was that people don't seem to have much patience in this channel
[06:21] <Sir_Brizz> lol
[06:30] <aill> anyone know a cheap domain registrar for transfering .INFO domains to?
[06:45] <Naveen> hi
[06:51] <snoopy> hi need help
[06:58] <well_laid_lawn> !ask
[07:06] <dukem> yes i did...appears i do have an older version..4.1..so i guess ill get the new one..but how come when i installed it, it didnt do the newest version?
[07:06] <dukem> and how do i install the newest version
[07:06] <dukem> i downloaded the file..seems i have to build it or something?..im new to this
[07:08] <dukem> can anyone help with that?
[07:10] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: what is the app?
[07:10] <dukem> quassel
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> !info quassel | dulem
[07:11] <well_laid_lawn> oops dukem ^^
[07:12] <dukem> what does this mean
[07:13] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: it means you don't have to build it -   sudo apt-get install quassel   in konsole will , well , install it
[07:13] <dukem> thats what i originally did..and it gave me this version
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: which version of kubuntu are you on pls?
[07:14] <well_laid_lawn> 10.04?
[07:15] <dukem> um i have ubuntu 9.04
[07:16] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: why do you think it isn't right for that os version?
[07:17] <well_laid_lawn> 'cause Version 0.6.1 is more recent then the os you are using
[07:18] <dukem> oh..i dont mind this version of quassel but seems i can change the background colors..only background of text and i hate this white background
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: quassel might have a howto on their home page
[07:19] <well_laid_lawn> or try   man quassel
[07:19] <dukem> but another thing..i cant open quassel cause i cant find it to open it..its not in my inteernet tab..so i have to run sudo quassel in terminal and i dont want to run it as root..any other way to open?
[07:20] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: in konsole do   which quassel    pls
[07:20] <Hamra> i already walked him through all this
[07:21] <dukem> /usr/bin/quassel
[07:21] <Hamra> it's normal in /usr/bin/quassel
[07:21] <well_laid_lawn> k - and where did we get to?
[07:21] <well_laid_lawn> k
[07:21] <Hamra> version 0.4 has a bug in which it cant change back ground colour, but 0.6 is fixed
[07:21] <Hamra> i have no idea why he cant just run quassel in konsole
[07:22] <dukem> yes..i just dont understand how to get the newer version..but i guess i cant cause my version of ubuntu is older?
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> and it isn't in the menu an can't run as normal user - right?
[07:22] <dukem> no it cant
[07:22] <Hamra> he reports a lot of text coming, which is normal for any KDE application
[07:22] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[07:22] <Hamra> dukem, can you paste the loads of text coming in konsole to some pastebin when you run quassel without sudo in konsole?
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: using   alt+f2   and typing   quassel   does it start?
[07:23] <well_laid_lawn> do Hamra first
[07:23] <dukem> i dont understand what hamra means
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> that doesn't sound right - do hamra's suggestion first :]
[07:24] <Hamra> dukem: do the following in konsole:
[07:24] <Hamra> quassel >>/tmp/quassel.log
[07:24] <well_laid_lawn> Hamra is the other bloke talking to you dukem
[07:25] <Hamra> after that, open the file /tmp/quassel.log , go to http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste them there
[07:25] <dukem> yes i kno hamra is the other person im talkin to lol..and ok hamra one sec
[07:26] <dukem> was anything suppose to happen after i typed that?
[07:27] <dukem> wait nvm
[07:28] <tim> #scripting
[07:28] <tim> joing #scripting
[07:28] <tim> join #scripting
[07:28] <well_laid_lawn> !spam
[07:30] <dukem> ok hamra now what
[07:31] <Hamra> did you paste them? can you send me the link of the paste?
[07:31] <dukem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[07:33] <dukem> did it show?
[07:34] <dukem> opps im sorry..here you go.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/439751/
[07:35] <Hamra> ok, you have permission problems
[07:36] <Hamra> because of running root stuff
[07:36] <Hamra> next time you want to run a graphical application, instead of sudo, use kdesudo
[07:36] <Hamra> you need to run the following in konsole:
[07:37] <Hamra> sudo chown dukem:dukem ~/.kde -R
[07:37] <Hamra> copy/paste it to avoid mistakes
[07:37] <Hamra> this will change the ownership of the files from root to you, as they should be
[07:37] <dukem> ok i did
[07:38] <Hamra> try running quassel from konsole now
[07:38] <Hamra> without root
[07:38] <dukem> alright one sec
[07:39] <dukem> ahh..still didnt work
[07:39] <Hamra> still same "permission denied" errors?
[07:40] <dukem> sudo chown dukem:dukem ~/.kde -R right?
[07:40] <dukem> yeah
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> should there be a .quassel of some sort?
[07:44] <well_laid_lawn> sudo chown dukem:dukem ~ -R   maybe
[07:47] <dukem> cannot access `/home/dukem/.gvfs': Permission denied
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> that's fine afaik
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> ?
[07:48] <well_laid_lawn> any samba mounts in there dukem ?
[07:49] <dukem> huh?
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> obviously not then :]
[07:50] <dukem> lol
[07:50] <dukem> what are those
[07:50] <well_laid_lawn> !samba | dukem
[07:52] <well_laid_lawn> so dukem if the rest of the chown worked ok try quassel again like Hamra has been suggesting
[07:53] <dukem> i dont know if this makes a dif with my problems..but im dual booting with vista..and its actually just using...umm iforgot what it was called..but it just boots it from that program
[07:53] <SandGorgon> at the risk of being flamed - I just want to mention Xchat is a good option too (pure GTK, no gnome). It's one of the three GTK apps that I think are very well done - other two are chromium and xarchiver
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: using wubi ?
[07:53] <dukem> yeah wubi
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> wubi shouldn't be a prob to quassel
[07:54] <well_laid_lawn> SandGorgon: +1 on xchat :]
[07:54] <dukem> yeah i tried xchat..but seems my package manager cant even find it like the websites were suggesting
[07:55] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: it has been in ubuntus forever...
[07:55] <SandGorgon> dukem, that is _very_ strange. could you run apt-get update and see if there are any errors.
[07:55] <SandGorgon> dukem, which country are you connecting from ?
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> xchat is in the universe repo - enabled those dukem
[07:56] <dukem> yeah thats what i read..but still..cant find xchat..and tried sudo apt-get install xchat..not found..and im in u.s
[07:56] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[07:57] <dukem> where is universe repo
[07:59] <dukem> im not sure how to enable the types of repositories
[08:01] <dukem> in my software sources..i see jaunty jackalope thats it
[08:04] <dukem> and i read that in my version of ubuntu..9.04..that the main, universe, restricted and multiverse repositories are enabled by defualt
[08:09] <SandGorgon> dukem, could you use paste.ubuntu.com and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:10] <dukem> how?
[08:10] <dukem> what command
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: /etc/apt/sources.list is a file - you paste things before so we could see them
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> pasted*
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[08:12] <SandGorgon> I mean open /etc/apt/sources.list in your favorite file editor and copy the content to paste.ubuntu.com (that would make a unique link for you) - just give us the link
[08:14] <dukem> im still not sure what you want lol..sorry
[08:15] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: you did   dukem> opps im sorry..here you go.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/439751/   before - do that with the file in /etc/apt called sources.list
[08:17] <dukem> yea but what command or whatever do i enter for the info your looking for.../etc/apt what?
[08:17] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: /etc/apt is a path - you open dolphin the file manager to browse to it - sources.list is a text file
[08:20] <dukem> ok i went to that directory..how do i get into sources.list again?..i hit ls and i see it but i dont kno how to get in it
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> in konsole?
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:20] <well_laid_lawn> !info dolphin
[08:21] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: do you have a desktop background? - is kde running?
[08:22] <dukem> yes i have a background..and i assume it is yes
[08:22] <well_laid_lawn> k :]
[08:25] <dukem> i remember how to go around in directories...cd /bin or w.e but how do you view rhe file in there
[08:26] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: use the command   cat   - so    cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:27] <well_laid_lawn> but seriously the file manager is sooo much easier
[08:28] <dukem> ok do you still want to see that?
[08:28] <well_laid_lawn> yep pls :]
[08:30] <dukem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/439772/
[08:30] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: just for my curiosities sake is there a reason you didn't use the file manager to do that?
[08:30] <dukem> umm..idk how to do that really either lol
[08:30] <dukem> im not the best with computers
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> you only have   main and restricted  in that file for repos dukem
[08:31] <dukem> so what does that mean
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: is there a little house down near the bottom left?
[08:31] <well_laid_lawn> on your desktop?
[08:32] <dukem> no
[08:32] <well_laid_lawn> it means that you need to add the universe and multiverse repos to the package manager
[08:32] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> didn't kicker have an icon for the home folder next to the menu launcher?
[08:34] <well_laid_lawn> in 9.04?
[08:35] <dukem> whats a kicker
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: that's the panel across the bottom with the clock on the right
[08:36] <dukem> ohh..the panel is at the top..and i dont see a home folder icon
[08:36] <well_laid_lawn> k
[08:37] <dukem> it is under places
[08:37] <dukem> im trying to figure out this whole adding repos
[08:37] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: if you click that you have opened the file manager]
[08:38] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: do you have that file opened at the paste you gave us?
[08:38] <well_laid_lawn> in your browser?
[08:38] <dukem> no not anymore
[08:39] <well_laid_lawn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/439772/ - it has line numbers to help explain
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> you need to add   universe multiverse   at the end of lines   10 11   then save the file
[08:41] <well_laid_lawn> edit it with   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: then do   sudo apt-get update
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> you need to add   universe multiverse   at the end of lines   10 11   after   restricted   then save the file
[08:42] <well_laid_lawn> I should have said
[08:43] <dukem> i have no idea how to save those lines
[08:43] <well_laid_lawn> opened the file with sudo nano dukem ?
[08:44] <dukem> what fill
[08:44] <dukem> sources.list??
[08:44] <well_laid_lawn> yep - I suggested   edit it with   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <well_laid_lawn> edit = open the file and add stuff to it :]
[08:46] <dukem> alright i did..now the curser is blinking on it..and i see all the files..so just go to lines 10 and 11 and save them?
[08:46] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: no
[08:47] <dukem> lol
[08:47] <well_laid_lawn> you add   universe multivers   after   restricted   on those lines
[08:47] <well_laid_lawn> you add   universe multiverse   after   restricted   on those lines
[08:47] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: ^^
[08:47] <dukem> ohhh
[08:47] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[08:47] <dukem> humm
[08:48] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: use the down arrow and right arrow
[08:48] <dukem> then just type universe multiverse
[08:48] <well_laid_lawn> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted universe multiverse      is how line ten should end up
[08:50] <well_laid_lawn> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty-updates main restricted universe multiverse #Added by software-properties       is how line 11 should end up
[08:53] <dukem> k i put it in..is there a way to save or what?
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> then   ctrl+o   keys to save then   ctrl+x   keys to close the file
[08:53] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: then do   sudo apt-get update
[08:54] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: you have to hold down the ctrl key while you hit the o key
[08:55] <dukem> ctrl o is just bringing up file name to write: sources.list
[08:55] <dukem> likje its high lighing it
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: hit enter then
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> the   ctrl+x
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> then*
[08:56] <dukem> oh ok
[08:56] <well_laid_lawn> :]
[08:56] <dukem> man how do you know all this lol
[08:57] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: years of getting it wrong and learning how to undo the errors :]
[08:58] <dukem> ha..well you've taught me something..i thank you
[08:58] <well_laid_lawn> my pleasure :]
[08:58] <dukem> so what does this mean now?
[08:58] <dukem> having that
[08:59] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: then do   sudo apt-get update
[08:59] <dukem> yeah i did
[08:59] <well_laid_lawn> and install xchat for the ability to change the background in your chat client
[09:00] <dukem> Couldn't find package xchat :(
[09:01] <well_laid_lawn> the update gave no errors?
[09:02] <dukem> no everything went find..a pop up to upgrade can up
[09:02] <dukem> ima do that and see what happens
[09:02] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> it will upgrade the os to karmic
[09:03] <well_laid_lawn> !karmic
[09:04] <dukem> eww..i havent done this in a while..looking at 2 and half hours lol
[09:04] <well_laid_lawn> hehe
[09:05] <dukem> u think thats why it couldnt find xchat?
[09:06] <dukem> and what kind of computer set up and everything do you have..and what do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking?
[09:06] <well_laid_lawn> I don't know - it should be there - jaunty has a couple of months support left
[09:07] <well_laid_lawn> I have a 3ghz pent4 with a minmal ubuntu using fluxbox as the window manager and I make architectural steel work as a livung
[09:08] <well_laid_lawn> !info fluxbox
[09:09] <dukem> humm..interesting..yeah..im trying to learn more about computers and stuff..im going to go to college for it..its very interesting
[09:09] <well_laid_lawn> lots of places to learn about it for free on the net
[09:11] <dukem> yeah..but getting a job without knowing someone to get me in would be hard dont u think?
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> with some qualifications you prob have to start at the bottom - depends on your quals tho
[09:12] <dukem> like certifications and stuff?
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> there's community colledge stuff that would get you a foot in the door
[09:13] <well_laid_lawn> I don't really know alot about it :] - sitting still indoors all day is not my thing...
[09:13] <dukem> yea thats  where im going..then maybe get an intern for some experience
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[09:14] <dukem> welll you seem to kno bout it lol
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> heh - been around a while :]
[09:16] <dukem> but it is time consuming your right..ive been reading stuff for like 9 hours now lol..and didnt even realize how much time has passed
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> that gets me all the time - thought i"d made a gtk calendar in like 2 hours but it was 5 - lots of learning involved in that
[09:20] <dukem> a gtk calender..like you programmed one or something?
[09:20] <well_laid_lawn> yeah - wrote it in c using gtk libs for the gui
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> pretty simple once I figured out how...
[09:23] <hyb> .t nanjing
[09:23] <dukem> see programming i dont get..you write one up and everything..but then how do you use it to like make a actual 'module or w.e for your program
[09:24] <dukem> like the image parts
[09:24] <well_laid_lawn> you need to "compile" it - that turns it into what the comp can read and then you run it
[09:25] <dukem> it it just createes these modules youve typed up
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> comps use 0's and 1's - compiling turns the words you typed into that
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> if you type them right...
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> and you an executable file that makes the comp do stuff
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> have*
[09:27] <dukem> yeah..i just dont get how it creates something..like this page for unstance..the headlines titles its kinda crazy to think about
[09:27] <dukem> i just read someone having same problem with xchat not being found but no solution yet
[09:28] <well_laid_lawn> !packages
[09:30] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: it is listed here -  http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/net/ - near the bottom
[09:30] <well_laid_lawn> so it is available - do   apt-cache search xchat
[09:31] <dukem> xchat-gnome - a new frontend to the popular X-Chat IRC client
[09:31] <dukem> xchat-gnome-common - a new frontend to the popular X-Chat IRC client
[09:31] <dukem> see it finds it there
[09:32] <dukem> just not when i try to install it
[09:32] <well_laid_lawn> xchat-gnome isn't even listed in the packages website
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> xchat is
[09:33] <well_laid_lawn> xchat (2.8.6-2.1ubuntu4) [universe]    IRC client for X similar to AmIRC
[09:34] <well_laid_lawn> how that gets solved is beyond me...
[09:35] <well_laid_lawn> xchat-gnome is in main repo - maybe your apt-get update failed for some reason - give it another shot please
[09:35] <dukem> is there a way to download it from there..i see no download parts
[09:37] <shadeslayer> dukem: they should be listed at the bottom
[09:37] <dukem> ok i found it..but do i save the file..or open it with something
[09:37] <shadeslayer> dukem: just save it for now,and then double click to install
[09:37] <well_laid_lawn> no - there would be too many dependencies like gtk libs etc
[09:38] <shadeslayer> well_laid_lawn: of course,he needs those deps as well
[09:38] <dukem> so dont save it
[09:38] <well_laid_lawn> the universe repo hasn't been included yet - check the sources.list file again
[09:38] <shadeslayer> dukem: why cant you use the package manager?
[09:41] <dukem> yea it says its there
[09:41] <dukem> but im still upgrading
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> o
[09:41] <well_laid_lawn> that's right - moving to karmic :]
[09:42] <dukem> yes :)
[09:43] <bendersteed> Hi guys.
[09:43] <bendersteed> dukem why dont you upgrade to lucid??
[09:44] <dukem> umm idk lol
[09:44] <well_laid_lawn> he's on jaunty atm - one step at a time
[09:44] <bendersteed> aha
[09:47] <dukem> yeah..my head already hurts from tonight
[09:47] <well_laid_lawn> dukem: where are you from?
[09:48] <dukem> thomasville, north carolina you?
[09:48] <well_laid_lawn> I'm an aussie - must be late there
[09:49] <well_laid_lawn> errr - aussie = Australian :]
[09:52] <dukem> oh very nice..yeah its 4:52 a.m lol
[09:54] <well_laid_lawn> thought it would be late hehe
[10:05] <{BG}Barbarian> hello, I started my computer, but I forgot I had my router unplugged, now when I start my computer again, with the router on, it still can not find internet :-/
[10:06] <{BG}Barbarian> how do I make kubuntu search for an internet connection?
[10:09] <well_laid_lawn> sudo service network restart
[10:10] <{BG}Barbarian> network: unrecognised service
[10:11] <well_laid_lawn> !upstart | {BG}Barbarian sorry I don't know more than this
[10:16] <{BG}Barbarian> any other way to get my internet working?
[10:16] <{BG}Barbarian> I never changed any settings, so maybe because I start once with my router off it changed the settings :-/
[10:16] <{BG}Barbarian> it used to work just fine
[10:16] <shadeslayer> {BG}Barbarian: one sec
[10:16] <shadeslayer> {BG}Barbarian: try  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:22] <{BG}Barbarian> it says reconfiguring network iterfaces, but it still doesnt work, maybe it needs restart
[10:22] <{BG}Barbarian> might need restart
[10:24] <{BG}Barbarian> even after restart doesn't work :-/
[10:24] <well_laid_lawn> try in konsole   knetworkmanager &
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> anu error output?
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> s/anu/any
[10:27] <{BG}Barbarian> 1657
[10:27] <{BG}Barbarian> 1675
[10:28] <{BG}Barbarian> ping <IP_ADDRESS> network unreachable :-/
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> heh - not very helpful is it
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> what does    ifconfig   return?
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> anything about    eth0   ?
[10:30] <{BG}Barbarian> link encap: local loopback
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> try   sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[10:31] <well_laid_lawn> does it return that it is starting?
[10:32] <{BG}Barbarian> no it returns nothing
[10:32] <well_laid_lawn> k - try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[10:33] <well_laid_lawn> and test
[10:33] <{BG}Barbarian> after this still returns nothing on ifconfig eth0 up
[10:34] <howlymowly> hi poeple..  the "disk-ckeck"  at evey 30th boot... i it possible to somehow move from booting to shutdown?
[10:34] <howlymowly> *check
[10:34] <{BG}Barbarian> etc/init.d/networking restart returns Reconfiguring network interfaces...
[10:35] <well_laid_lawn> howlymowly: nope - it is done before the partition is mounted
[10:35] <howlymowly> well_laid_lawn: so..  is there any other workaround?  this is REALLY annoying
[10:36] <well_laid_lawn> howlymowly: it can be annoying but if you have splash disabled you do get a warnng...
[10:37] <shadeslayer> howlymowly: you can make it happen at a larger interval... like 60 days
[10:38] <howlymowly> shadeslayer:  so how would I do that? that's at least something to consider :)
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> but the trade of is greater defragmentation
[10:38] <well_laid_lawn> s/of/off
[10:38] <shadeslayer> howlymowly: man tune2fs
[10:38] <howlymowly> kk.. thx.. I will look into the manpages f that thing..
[10:39] <shadeslayer> howlymowly: http://www.snow.nl/dist/xhtmlc/ch03s02.html
[10:42] <{BG}Barbarian> tcpdump -i eth0
[10:42] <{BG}Barbarian> that device is not up
[10:44] <{BG}Barbarian> now it says no IPv4 address assigned
[10:44] <howlymowly> and I got one more question:  kopete has a "blocked update" now waiting since 1 month  in kubuntu 10.04... is this "normal" or did I do something wrong?
[10:44] <Atritas> {BG}Barbarian: sudo ethtool eth0 | grep Link
[10:46] <{BG}Barbarian> Link detected: no
[10:47] <{BG}Barbarian> Link partner advertised auto-negotiation: no
[10:47] <Atritas> {BG}Barbarian: ...which means you can't get an IP address, because the cable itself is either not connected or does not detect any connectivity.
[10:48] <{BG}Barbarian> I'm double checked that the cable is plugged in properly, and the router works fine
[10:48] <{BG}Barbarian> anyway I can give it a manual IP?
[10:48] <{BG}Barbarian> maybe the DHCP server is crashed or something
[10:48] <Atritas> {BG}Barbarian: So there is probably nothing wrong with your network settings per se. Try unplugging and reattaching the cable  on both ends and see if you get a link afterwards.
[10:49] <well_laid_lawn> {BG}Barbarian: time to try   sudo lshw   and see if the nic is disabled
[10:49] <Atritas> {BG}Barbarian: The DHCP server has nothing to with this.. The "link" is way before DHCP is even possible.
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> eth0 is not up
[10:50] <{BG}Barbarian> | grep nic returns nothing
[10:50] <well_laid_lawn> of cause -  sudo lshw
[10:53] <{BG}Barbarian> hmm, DHCP server works fine
[10:53] <{BG}Barbarian> and I know now its not caused by booting with router off
[10:53] <{BG}Barbarian> but by putting the computer on sleep
[10:53] <{BG}Barbarian> and then turning off the power
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> afaik that's a bug with knetworkmanager - at leadt many folks have comlained about it
[10:54] <well_laid_lawn> s/leadt/least
[10:55] <{BG}Barbarian> what is s?
[10:55] <{BG}Barbarian> no such file or directory
[10:55] <well_laid_lawn> that's substitute/leadt/least   leadt for least
[10:56] <well_laid_lawn> short hand more or les - really a regex expression
[10:56] <Atritas> {BG}Barbarian: You could try unloading and reloading the corresponding kernel module and see if you get a link then.
[10:57] <well_laid_lawn> is the nic disabled tho?
[10:58] <{BG}Barbarian>  sudo lshw
[10:58] <{BG}Barbarian> really big story
[10:58] <well_laid_lawn> nics about half - two thirds down
[10:59] <{BG}Barbarian> its NIC?
[10:59] <{BG}Barbarian> maybe
[10:59] <{BG}Barbarian> | grep nic or NIC both return 0
[10:59] <well_laid_lawn> no - I just call it nic
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> nic is short for network interface connection
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> you can read man lshw to find the option for finding diff thingd if you want
[11:00] <{BG}Barbarian> network disabled
[11:00] <well_laid_lawn> there you go
[11:01] <well_laid_lawn> in the bios restart it
[11:05] <{BG}Barbarian> hmm, think it says enabled in the motherboard
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> "think" ? - it should be obvious afaik - what does it say?
[11:13] <{BG}Barbarian> disabled onboard lan, saved, rebooted, enabled, saved, rebooted
[11:13] <{BG}Barbarian> should be on
[11:13] <{BG}Barbarian> but it was on
[11:14] <{BG}Barbarian> any way I can reinstall the network components?
[11:15] <well_laid_lawn> no point if eth0 isn't up in ifconfig
[11:16] <shadeslayer> well you can have a look at http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/#tb
[11:16] <well_laid_lawn> sudo ifconfig eth0 up   then   ifconfig   - if eth0 doesn't show then...
[11:17] <{BG}Barbarian> I did, sudo apt-get remove network-manager
[11:17] <well_laid_lawn> the nic could be dead - h/ware does die sometimes
[11:17] <{BG}Barbarian> but now it wont install back -.-
[11:18] <{BG}Barbarian> I'm pretty sure its just software settings
[11:18] <{BG}Barbarian> worked fine 5 hours ago
[11:18] <{BG}Barbarian> and its really expensive motherboard
[11:18] <{BG}Barbarian> from gigabyte
[11:18] <well_laid_lawn> means nothing
[11:19] <{BG}Barbarian> shit!
[11:19] <well_laid_lawn> now without the network manager you can add a line to /etc/network/interfaces
[11:19] <{BG}Barbarian> ofcourse it can't install
[11:19] <{BG}Barbarian> I have no internet
[11:21] <well_laid_lawn> auto eth0    then next line    iface eth0 dhcp
[11:22] <well_laid_lawn> then   sudo /etc/init.d/network restart   if that doesn't work I'm outta ideas
[11:22] <siegie> Why isn't there a multimedia browser plugin default installed in kubuntu? Ubuntu has totem-mozilla
[11:34] <Walzmyn> In Dolphin I'm using "remember individual folder settings". How can I change the settings for a new folder (such as an SD card)?
[11:58] <perlmonkey> hi
[12:00] <perlmonkey> just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and experiencing a few problems in KDE...the workspace manager on the taskbar doesn't work (can't move applications from one workspace to another). Kmail closes by itself and "Akonadi Server" starts up a "self test" which fails and gives errors immediately after. Finally, Thunar the file manager doesn't let me open folders or click on files (seems to be random problem).
[12:01] <Torch> perlmonkey: regarding akonadi: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[12:01] <perlmonkey> Torch thanks
[12:08] <perlmonkey> http://pastebin.com/kez1CadV
[12:12] <perlmonkey> can I remove Akonadi as it's a piece of crap
[12:12] <Torch> perlmonkey: you cannot. it's not.
[12:12] <perlmonkey> I don't have time for this crap
[12:12] <Torch> perlmonkey: then don't use kubuntu
[12:12] <perlmonkey> what else can I use instead?
[12:13] <well_laid_lawn> that's a bit unkind Torch
[12:13] <Torch> perlmonkey: no idea. it works for me. on kubuntu.
[12:13] <Torch> well_laid_lawn: saying a central piece of kde is crap to a kde dev doesn't come across as super nice either.
[12:14] <well_laid_lawn> of course - but there is surely a better option
[12:14] <perlmonkey> Torch if it fails and gives cryptic errors immediately after an upgrade that's not a very positive sign
[12:14] <well_laid_lawn> !worksforme
[12:14] <perlmonkey> Torch if it requires me installing mysql server on a workstation system, and messing around with all kind of fixes that's also not a positive sign
[12:15] <Torch> perlmonkey: it's just that kubuntu didn't set it up properly for you during install. that's hardly akonadi's fault.
[12:15] <perlmonkey> also my Thunar file browser has stopped working since moving to 10.04 and my workspaces manager
[12:16] <well_laid_lawn> Torch: got a clue on setting it up pls?
[12:16] <Torch> well_laid_lawn: just follow the troubleshooting guide. usually it requires to remove apparmor, i think.
[12:16] <perlmonkey> Torch but why do I need that? I don't want to run it or have mysql server running that uses up a lot of memory
[12:17] <Torch> perlmonkey: kde pim needs a sane backing store. akonadi is that backing store. if it didn't use mysql (it can use postgres, too), it would have to do all the stuff mysql does for it on its own. that would need more memory and be slower.
[12:18] <Atritas> perlmonkey: The decision has been made to use a mysql driven backend for all kinds of information management. That's what akonadi is basically. If that's good or bad is a very subjective matter.
[12:18] <perlmonkey> what's pim?
[12:18] <Torch> perlmonkey: basically kontact
[12:18] <perlmonkey> I don't want kontact
[12:18] <Torch> http://pim.kde.org/
[12:18] <Atritas> Torch: are you akonadi dev as well?
[12:18] <Torch> perlmonkey: you want kmail, it's part of kontact.
[12:18] <perlmonkey> can't I disable that and still use kmail?
[12:19] <Torch> Atritas: no
[12:19] <perlmonkey> that sucks
[12:19] <Torch> perlmonkey: no.
[12:19] <perlmonkey> the address book feature has never even worked properly in kmail anyway
[12:19] <Torch> perlmonkey: i don
[12:19] <Torch> oops
[12:19] <Torch> perlmonkey: i don't think complaining here will solve anything for you.
[12:20] <Torch> perlmonkey: if your install is broken, fix it and complain to kubuntu. if KDE has bugs, file a bug report and complain to KDE.
[12:20] <perlmonkey> sorry i'm just annoyed, i spent hours upgrading to solve some bugs and I've ended up with more new bugs I didn't have before
[12:20] <Torch> perlmonkey: well, i know why i'm still on karmic.
[12:20] <Mamarok> Torch: he can install kmail as a standalone, no need for kontact
[12:20] <perlmonkey> and the original bugs are still not solved, so its been a waste of time all round
[12:21] <Torch> Mamarok: i didn't say he could not.
[12:21] <Atritas> perlmonkey: ChangeLogs are your friend, especially in the OSS world :)
[12:21] <Torch> perlmonkey: as i said, if you find kde bugs, file them on bugs.kde.org
[12:22] <Torch> perlmonkey: anyway, akonadi can be fixed. if you follow the troubleshooting guide, you'll most probably get it working.
[12:22] <Mamarok> Torch: [13:18] <Torch> perlmonkey: you want kmail, it's part of kontact.
[12:22] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you can install both separately kmail and kaddressbook, for now Aknoadi is not mandatory
[12:22] <perlmonkey> here is a persistent problem, my system loses sound every time I boot up if I open a browser.. I have to kill every app using alsa and reload alsa every time
[12:22] <Mamarok> that worked for me, Akonadi runs without trouble here on Kucid
[12:22] <perlmonkey> sometimes even that doesn't work and I have to reboot and do it again
[12:23] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you loose sound in the browser or the other apps?
[12:23] <perlmonkey> Mamarok thanks I could try that
[12:23] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: rebooting is usually not needed, just restarting KDE should restart phonon, unless you use pulseaudio, then I don't know
[12:24] <perlmonkey> Mamarok I lose sound completely, I'm not sure it's caused by the browser using sound, but it does seem to happen if my browser opens to a flash video before I use any other sound app
[12:24] <perlmonkey> I got pulseaudio after an upgrade, and ever since then had problems with sound..before that i had no problems
[12:24] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: KDE uses phonon, you shouldn't have to change anything or even restarting alsa, phonon handles sound
[12:25] <Atritas> perlmonkey: According to your experienced problems so far, i think you may have had a problem with or during your upgrade run. Maybe you should do a fresh install and everything will work fine "suddenly"?
[12:25] <perlmonkey> I been using xcfe4
[12:25] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: don't use pulseaudio then, it works well without here
[12:25] <perlmonkey> right
[12:25] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: so you don't use Kubuntu, but Xubuntu? Maybe ask in their channel then could help?
[12:25] <Mamarok> asking*
[12:26] <perlmonkey> I'm now using Kubuntu since moving to 10.04 as xfce4 wasn't working very well
[12:26] <perlmonkey> also the performance on Kubuntu seems to be equal to xfce4, previously it was slow
[12:27] <perlmonkey> I upgraded my system to 4gb from 1gb and switched to dual core cpu
[12:30] <Torch> Mamarok: akonadi is mandator for kaddressbook.
[12:32] <Mamarok> Torch: not yet, you can use a local one AFAIK
[12:33] <perlmonkey> I hate this
[12:34] <well_laid_lawn> Torch is a kde dev apparently Mamarok
[12:34] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: check your system is up-to-date and if the kde-full package drags in more packages
[12:34] <perlmonkey> checking...
[12:35] <Mamarok> well_laid_lawn: I am well involved in KDE, too, don't worry
[12:35] <well_laid_lawn> he should know
[12:35] <well_laid_lawn> k
[12:35] <perlmonkey> seems to be up to date and all ok
[12:36] <perlmonkey> if I try and remove the akonadi crap, it wants to take my kmail too :-/
[12:36] <perlmonkey> even though I installed kaddressbook
[12:36] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: was this a fresh install or did you keep your /home?
[12:36] <Torch> perlmonkey: yes. you cannot remove akonadi, like i said.
[12:36] <perlmonkey> I kept my /home, I just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04
[12:37] <perlmonkey> Torch Mamarok says you can use kmail without it
[12:37] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: maybe moving your $HOME/.kde/ could help solving some of the problems, you have all the old config data still in there
[12:37] <perlmonkey> ok
[12:37] <perlmonkey> I want to kill akonadi
[12:38] <Mamarok> Torch: check aptitude show kmail, it doesn't drag in Akonadi, nor does it depend on it
[12:38] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: did you try the troubleshooting guide? Usually apparmor is the problem, it runs fine here
[12:39] <perlmonkey> I have moved .kde to .kde-bak
[12:39] <perlmonkey> no error from akonadi so far
[12:40]  * Torch goes back to programming crap.
[12:40] <perlmonkey> I have no control over my workspaces
[12:41] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[12:41] <wizkoder> Is it possible to create a live cd out of the packages I have on my system?
[12:42] <perlmonkey> I lost all my emails :-/
[12:43] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: no, you didn't, all is still in .kde-bak, you can copy back selectively all the things located in .kde-back/share/apps/
[12:43] <perlmonkey> ah
[12:43] <Mamarok> copy back to $HOME/.kde/share/apps/
[12:43] <well_laid_lawn> Torch: don't be disheartened - one users issues doesn't ruin a great desktop environment - work on the networkmanager tho pls
[12:44] <perlmonkey> Torch now feels unappreciated from the ungrateful runts like me who only complain at their selfless unpaid labour
[12:44]  * Torch just doesn't want to get into a pissing contest, that's all.
[12:45] <well_laid_lawn> it's a rare thing to get praise - no news is good news but the variety of users and uses for the os make that so rare
[12:46] <perlmonkey> I probably would too. but when your system is borked and you lose so much time fixing things which should just work, ones patience disappears
[12:47] <well_laid_lawn> it's all good here :] thnx
[12:47] <perlmonkey> we get many benefits (not least a free flexible OS)
[12:47] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: well, you used old config files in your old $HOME/.kde/, that could well be the problem
[12:48] <perlmonkey> Mamarok but surely an upgrade should be able to cope with that?
[12:48] <perlmonkey> why doesn't the upgrade perform some checks, if there's a problem or number of problems, it could do the .kde solution and then allow data to be transferred back
[12:48] <perlmonkey> it seems like the developers haven't thought things through
[12:49] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: well, existing config files are not necessarily overwritten, so moving the existing ones can show up where the problems lie
[12:49] <perlmonkey> I noticed during the upgrade install phase it asked to keep or replace config files a few times
[12:49] <perlmonkey> I suspect that is what you're saying, that's what causes problems
[12:49] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: that's not necessarily overwriting, depends on the app
[12:49] <perlmonkey> yes
[12:50] <perlmonkey> but does this mean the apps are not backwards compatible with old configs?
[12:50] <perlmonkey> using an older config on upgraded apps cause them to break?
[12:50] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: it didn't "break", don't exagerate, it just didn't work as you expected it
[12:50] <perlmonkey> this again suggests a lack of foresight on the developers, they didn't test properly
[12:51] <perlmonkey> well
[12:51] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: file a bugf
[12:51] <Mamarok> -f
[12:51] <perlmonkey> some things are clearly broken now after upgrading
[12:51] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: again, please file a bug
[12:52] <perlmonkey> but if I file a bug when it's a problem of config being too old for the upgraded software is that really a bug? or a user error, or bad planning by developers?
[12:52] <Mamarok> that's the only way to reach developers, and stop bashing, constructive suggestions is the way to go
[12:52] <perlmonkey> I don't think these are bugs tho
[12:52] <perlmonkey> I think the upgrade method is flawed
[12:53] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: I always move my old -kde/ when installing a new version, so I am sure not to run into problems, I only copy back the data I need
[12:53] <well_laid_lawn> there's been a few instances where the upgrade didn't fully "upgrade" - sudo apt-gat update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   pulled in missing stuff
[12:53] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: still, file a bug, you are bashing about things with wild guesses, if you want to talk to the devs, file a bug
[12:53] <perlmonkey> Mamarok that sounds wise, but does it take a lot of time and hassle to figure out a) what data you need b) transferring it all back?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> howdy all , dhclient isn't auto connecting like before ...not using network manager , /etc/network/interfaces settings was working fine until yesterday , gotta run sudo dhclient eth0 to connect after boot up. Any idea why this is happening ?
[12:53] <Mamarok> if the upgrade method is flawed, that's a bug in the update then
[12:53] <perlmonkey> sure
[12:54] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: not at all, I know what apps I use and what data I need
[12:54] <perlmonkey> Mamarok something along the lines you have done seems a more sensible upgrade method, to build that option in as a "fail safe upgrade"
[12:55] <perlmonkey> and at least to warn people if they do simply use old configs it may not work as expected
[12:55] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you did keep your /home, hence you did keep your old data and config, it doesn't change existing configs necessarily, it's pointless arguing where/who/when the failure lies, file a bug
[12:56] <perlmonkey> I think there's too many apps and too much complexity over the dependencies sometimes.. I would like to install just the apps I need by compiling one by one.. but maybe that would take too long
[12:56] <roxy81> hi i want to dowload someting with kmldonkey, but i cannot get it working, i know that i need to manual load somthing, buy i do not know the name...  anyone of you have an idea?
[12:56] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you did a fresh install keeping your /home, that is not an upgrade, you are responsible of what lies in your /home
[12:57] <perlmonkey> Mamarok my setup is a bit unusual because I have a server where I mount /home/user over nfs, so when I upgrade I mount that home folder
[12:57] <perlmonkey> maybe that caused it?
[12:58] <perlmonkey> I'm stuck
[12:58] <Mamarok> yes, as I said, you didn't do an upgrade, you did a fresh install, keeping your /home, so there is nothing going to change your existing config files
[12:59] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: don't expect miracles on an unusual setting, you need to sort out your system then
[12:59] <roxy81> nevermind, got it... it was mlnet
[12:59] <perlmonkey> Mamarok that doesn't make sense. A fresh install surely means creating a new home and new config files, as opposed to using the same home and keeping old configs?
[12:59] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: not at all, I do fresh installs keeping my /home partition
[13:00] <Mamarok> and I move the old $HOME/.kde/ out of the way, then copy back the data I need
[13:00] <perlmonkey> I thought the idea of an upgrade was to install right ontop of your existing config and keep the old config/data
[13:00] <perlmonkey> so the software is newer but the data and config stays the same
[13:00] <Mamarok> that is something I have to do myself, as it is clearly not part of the install process, I choose to keep my /home
[13:00] <perlmonkey> Mamarok what you did then was a fresh install really eh, not an upgrade
[13:00] <perlmonkey> that suggests that upgrading doesn't work
[13:01] <Mamarok> yes, and that's why I move the old settings out of the way, only to keep what I want. Why do I have to repeat that 3 times?
[13:01] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you did a fresh install as well apparently
[13:01] <Mamarok> keeping your old /home
[13:01] <perlmonkey> Mamarok so why do you need to do that? why can't the software upgrade properly and retain the old config and settings/data
[13:01] <perlmonkey> without any user intervention or work
[13:02] <perlmonkey> Mamarok no I upgraded.
[13:02] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: I don't want to upgrade, I prefer a clean isntall and don't want to backup 50 Gb of date out of my /home
[13:02] <perlmonkey> ok
[13:03] <Mamarok> only to copy it back, henc I use a separate partition, and only move the old .kde/ and copy back the essential things liek mail and so
[13:03] <perlmonkey> how long did it take you in total to move back all the data and stuff, and did it go smoothly?
[13:03] <Mamarok> a few minutes
[13:04] <perlmonkey> ok
[13:04] <perlmonkey> that sounds reasonable
[13:04] <Mamarok> and of course it did go smoothly, just don't start the apps before doing so
[13:04] <perlmonkey> I wish I had known how to do that
[13:04] <perlmonkey> now my system is screwed
[13:04] <prower> hello :> occasionally when opening konsole it takes almost a minute for it to start, and when it does, i get the following message when it finally pops up: Warning: Could not start program '/bin/bash' with arguments '/bin/bash'
[13:05] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: I don't think it is screwed, didn't you move your old .kde/ now?
[13:05] <perlmonkey> if I just move .kde now, will it automatically create a new one and all new configs?
[13:05] <perlmonkey> yes
[13:05] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: if you do it now, you would move the new one
[13:05] <perlmonkey> right
[13:05] <Mamarok> try not overwriting your old data
[13:05] <perlmonkey> so now I have to not start any kde apps
[13:06] <perlmonkey> and must copy the data back from the bak
[13:06] <Mamarok> and yes, on startup KDE checks for config files, if there is no $HOME/.ke/ it creates it and writes new data
[13:06] <well_laid_lawn> prower: does   sudo apt-get install bash   do anything?
[13:06] <Mamarok> .kde*
[13:06] <perlmonkey> right that's a good feature
[13:06] <prower> well_laid_lawn: Just confirms that it's installed and up to date
[13:07] <well_laid_lawn> prower: in konsole do   which bash
[13:07] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: so don't move back the stuff in the old .kde/share/config/ parts, or edit the config files selectively, only copy back data you need, like the mail
[13:07] <prower> well_laid_lawn: No problem -- /bin/bash
[13:07] <perlmonkey> but how will i know which files are for what, which to copy and which not to copy?
[13:08] <perlmonkey> this requires some knowledge and experience?
[13:08] <well_laid_lawn> prower: do you have a script handy that runs bash to check it -if it runs then the prob is with konsole?
[13:08] <perlmonkey> of the apps and their data file naming conventions presumeably
[13:09] <perlmonkey> i'm going to try kmail now
[13:09] <prower> well_laid_lawn: I can make one quickly, just something with #!bin/bash near the top I assume ;>
[13:09] <well_laid_lawn> prower: sure - just ls home or something
[13:10] <prower> well_laid_lawn: Ahh, got it...yeah the script seems to run just fine, no errors or delays
[13:10] <well_laid_lawn> prower: then it is konsole with the issue - any config in home for it?
[13:11] <prower> well_laid_lawn: Well I guess there's the konsolerc under .kde, unless there's another one?
[13:12] <perlmonkey> I have lost all my emails.
[13:12] <perlmonkey> grrrr
[13:12] <well_laid_lawn> prower: try moving that to konsolerc.bak and closing / starting konsole pls
[13:13] <prower> well_laid_lawn: Hmm, well it started as per usual when I did that, but that might not mean that it's fixed -- the problem is intermittent, which makes it pretty hard to pin down :> If I move the file back and open/close konsole it works as well
[13:16] <well_laid_lawn> prower: in my experience software performs pretty consistently - h/ware missues are intermitent
[13:16] <well_laid_lawn> s/missues/issues
[13:17] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: did you go into that folder: .kde-bak/share/apps/kmial/
[13:17] <prower> well_laid_lawn: Well that's a possibility I suppose, but considering that the same machine has run Fedora 12, 13 and every release of Ubuntu since 8.04 without issues, I'd tend to think it was something introduced into 10.04 :> There was a thread on a KDE forum about it, maybe I can find that on google again
[13:17] <Mamarok> there should be a mail folder
[13:17] <Mamarok> copy that back
[13:18] <perlmonkey> Mamarok yes
[13:18] <Mamarok> how difficult is that to look at the folder?
[13:18] <perlmonkey> Mamarok that's loads of folders, I need to copy the entire tree right?
[13:18] <well_laid_lawn> prower: if it is not just you then of course there may be a software issue :]
[13:18] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: which tree are you talking about?
[13:19] <perlmonkey> .kde-bak -> share -> apps -> kmail
[13:19] <perlmonkey> all the branches of kmail
[13:19] <well_laid_lawn> prower: I just don't know how to debug that sort of prob in konsole...
[13:19] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: yes, if you have many mails of course that will take some time
[13:19] <perlmonkey> I have 100GB of data just in incoming folder alone
[13:20] <prower> well_laid_lawn, http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=47601&start=20 (that's where i first found out i wasn't alone ;>)
[13:20] <perlmonkey> it sucks
[13:20] <prower> well_laid_lawn, oh that's fine, i appreciate the help either way...i've just been having a number of weird little problems with 10.04, it's unfortunate as it's the first version i've used where pulseaudio apparently works without problems
[13:21] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: are you sure you need all this? that sounds like mails form 10 years, you will certainly not going through that anymore
[13:21] <perlmonkey> sorry I meant 100MB
[13:22] <well_laid_lawn> prower: from that post there are multiple konsoles spawned - what does   ps aux | grep konsole return
[13:22] <perlmonkey> prower does your workspaces manager work ok?
[13:22] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: that takes a few minutes only
[13:22] <well_laid_lawn> more than two lines?
[13:22] <perlmonkey> Mamarok I'm trying to be patient and do it, just copying each folder in Thunar
[13:22] <prower> perlmonkey: The desktop pager you mean? yes, it seems to
[13:22] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: why don't you do this in a konsole? I can tell you the instructions
[13:23] <perlmonkey> prower yes, mine doesn't work..also Thunar doesn't work, randomly doesn't allow you to open folders or click/move files
[13:23] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: and the default file manager in KDE is Dolphin, not Thunar
[13:23] <prower> well_laid_lawn: it shows that there are two instances running, one belonging to kdeinit and the other belonging to myself (which i still have open :>)
[13:23] <perlmonkey> prower I had the problem with pulseaudio for a while, I think it's still here in 10.04
[13:23] <perlmonkey> sheesh where is Dolphin
[13:24] <well_laid_lawn> prower: why is that one from kdeinit there?
[13:24] <perlmonkey> I'm installing Dolphin
[13:24] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: check the main menu, it's right there in the favorites, but you would have this easier with a konsole
[13:24] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: if you have KDE isntalled, you already have it
[13:24] <perlmonkey> Mamarok it wasn't there :-/
[13:25] <prower> well_laid_lawn, Good question? :> I'm guessing you're not seeing that on your system, here's the full line: prower    3538  0.0  0.8<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   09:42   0:00 kdeinit4: konsole [kdeinit]
[13:25] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: as I said, if you really have Kubuntu as your distribution, Dolphin is in the menu, in the favorites, it reads file manager right below
[13:25] <perlmonkey> I think I'm confused
[13:26] <well_laid_lawn> prower: I would kill it then log out and back in choosing a new kubuntu session
[13:26] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: if you don't have Dolphin in a default Kubuntu installation, then you really have a screwed system with half of the apps missing
[13:26] <perlmonkey> Kubuntu is a separate distro? I thought you just meant Ubuntu (lucid) with KDE installed..
[13:26] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you said you installed Kubuntu, didn't you?
[13:26] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: *sigh*
[13:26] <perlmonkey> I installed Ubuntu 8.04 originally
[13:26] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: which is Gnome
[13:26] <perlmonkey> yes
[13:27] <perlmonkey> so I'm actually using Gnome?
[13:27] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: that's why you have pulseaudio installed, Gnome uses it
[13:27] <perlmonkey> sheesh
[13:27] <perlmonkey> :-/ now I feel dumb
[13:27] <prower> well_laid_lawn, Hmm...I'll have to give that a try then, if that works then I guess I'll have to figure out where it came from :>
[13:27] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: please install the kubuntu-desktop package, and install also kde-apps
[13:27] <perlmonkey> ok
[13:27] <Mamarok> then make sure you choose the KDE session on login
[13:28] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: the last part of the sentence should be kde-full, not kde-apps
[13:29] <perlmonkey> I got some of my e-mails back
[13:29] <perlmonkey> right
[13:29] <perlmonkey> Thunar is now hanging/stuck for a long time on the last file for incoming mail files
[13:29] <perlmonkey> "1 second remaining" been like that for 6 minutes
[13:31] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: patience? Or don't use Thunar?
[13:31] <perlmonkey> I think it's broke but I will wait longer
[13:32] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: if you are running Xfce you use Thunar, in KDE you should use Dolphin, but since you don't seem to know what Desktop you run...
[13:33] <perlmonkey> I am running Gnome
[13:33] <perlmonkey> I think
[13:33] <perlmonkey> System says About Gnome on menu, so it must be
[13:33] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: well, make your mind up first what desktop you want to run, then
[13:34] <perlmonkey> I want to run the fastest and most stable that uses the least memory?
[13:34] <perlmonkey> I need to do video editing mostly
[13:34] <Mamarok> there are 3 different Desktop distributions, Ubuntu with Gnome, Kubuntu with KDE and Xubuntu with Xfce
[13:34] <perlmonkey> which is best?
[13:34] <bazhang> !best > perlmonkey
[13:34] <Mamarok> well, that is a question I can't answer, since I only use KDE
[13:35] <ukyoi> Each have their advantages.
[13:35] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: video editing in KDE would be kdenlive
[13:35] <perlmonkey> do you think KDE uses the most memory and system resources of all three?
[13:35] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: no
[13:35] <perlmonkey> I have kdenlive but its buggy as hell, it crashes every few minutes..that is why I upgraded to 10.04
[13:35] <ukyoi> KDE4 use more than Gnome2.3
[13:36] <Mamarok> and didn't you say you had 4 Gb of RAM? then why bother? that's plenty for all of them
[13:36] <Mamarok> ukyoi: not true
[13:36] <Bucky> hi. how do i disable login/logout sounds? can't find the option
[13:36] <perlmonkey> it was more stable in 10.04 but still plenty buggy and prone to crashing, so I ended up moving to openshot instead
[13:36] <Mamarok> but could we please not start a discussion about this? remember, this is a support channel, discussions go to #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:36] <perlmonkey> Mamarok yes I installed 4gb of ram to do video editing
[13:36] <perlmonkey> should I add more?
[13:36] <ukyoi> I support Mamarok
[13:37] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: no, video editing needs a fast CPU
[13:37] <Mamarok> not just RAM
[13:37] <perlmonkey> I have an AMD Athlon X2 which is 2.8Ghz I think
[13:37] <perlmonkey> it's sufficient?
[13:37] <Mamarok> that should be fast enough
[13:37] <perlmonkey> how can I check the speed to be sure?
[13:38] <perlmonkey> cat /proc/cpuinfo?
[13:38] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: have you really done video editing already? the you should know, no?
[13:38] <perlmonkey> confirmed.. 2810.413Mhz
[13:38] <Mamarok> then*
[13:39] <perlmonkey> I haven't been able to do any yet except slicing videos up that's all
[13:39] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: well, run KDE as the desktop, install kdenlive and try it out, only way to know
[13:39] <perlmonkey> as I couldn't find an app that was stable or flexible to do what I wanted to do
[13:39] <perlmonkey> until I found Openshot yesterday
[13:39] <Mamarok> which is a Gnome app IIRC
[13:39] <perlmonkey> ok
[13:40] <Mamarok> but kdenlive is state of the art AFAIK
[13:40] <perlmonkey> openshot seems a lot better than kdenlive
[13:40] <perlmonkey> they are quite similar
[13:40] <perlmonkey> but openshot seems a lot more stable
[13:40] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: how can you even know if you didn't try? Don't talk stuff you heard from other uninformed people, please
[13:41] <perlmonkey> well from my experience of using both
[13:41] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: you didn't try, kdenlive is very stable, where did you get that from?
[13:41] <Mamarok> you just pretended not to know it earlier
[13:41] <perlmonkey> I've tried kdenlive in 9.10 and 10.04
[13:41] <perlmonkey> and openshot in 10.04
[13:41] <Mamarok> I really don't see why I waste my time on that, seriously
[13:42] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: either you have real support questions, and stick to a desktop and ask the questions in the appropriate channels, or we are done
[13:42] <Bucky> hi. how do i disable login/logout sounds? can't find the option
[13:42] <perlmonkey> Mamarok in 9.10 kdenlive wouldn't even run for like more than 2 minutes without crashing, just dragging a clip or adding a title would make it crash, and open up bug report thing
[13:42] <Mamarok> so far I only see very contradictory statements
[13:42] <perlmonkey> someone told me in #kdenlive that version from 9.10 was just not userable and to move to 10.04
[13:42] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: on a system where you pretend you run Kubuntu and not even have Dolphin installed? Seriously...
[13:43] <Mamarok> only to find out that you are running Gnome
[13:43] <Mamarok> sorry, I out of this, too weird
[13:43] <Mamarok> I have better things to do
[13:43]  * Mamarok goes to do something else
[13:43] <perlmonkey> I upgraded to 10.04 and tried out kdenlive in Gnome this time (previously I ran it in 9.10 in xfce4) I found it much more stable, but still not 100%...it crashed a few times again on simple tasks..so I decided to look at openshot
[13:44] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: please stick to support questions, this is not support, so take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <perlmonkey> openshot has only crashed once and I've been using it for several hours since yesterday, but have not made any videos yet, so testing out and learning how to edit still
[13:45] <ukyoi> kdelive is OK on my PC..
[13:45] <perlmonkey> ukyoi what do you run
[13:45] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: I repeat, this is a support channel, please ask only support related questions, else take it to -offtopic
[13:45] <perlmonkey> I need support with kdenlive
[13:45] <perlmonkey> why does it crash on simple tasks when I have loads of memory and a powerful CPU?
[13:45] <ukyoi> perlmonkey: I'm not a professor.
[13:45] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: ask in #kdenlive then, but first make your mind up abut the desktop you want to run
[13:46] <perlmonkey> ok
[13:46] <ukyoi> perlmonkey: Maybe it is caused by other Programm
[13:46] <Mamarok> you have a flawed KDE installation, likely missing important packages, first fix ypour system and install the desktop correctly
[13:46] <perlmonkey> I will do it
[13:46] <Mamarok> it runs fine here, no crashes I can see so far
[13:47] <perlmonkey> my system must be the problem then
[13:47] <ukyoi> I think "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" will help a lot.
[13:47] <Mamarok> most likely
[13:47] <perlmonkey> I probably didn't even need to upgrade in the first place, maybe I got bad info
[13:47] <perlmonkey> I didn't know you had to run KDE
[13:47] <Mamarok> ukyoi: well, gues what I told him earlier...
[13:47] <perlmonkey> I thought kde apps could run on any desktop
[13:47] <Mamarok> perlmonkey: if you have all the libs installed for, yes
[13:48] <KOPRajs> Hi there, after upgrading from Kubuntu Karmic to Lucid my plasma desktop seems to have some kind of memory leak... after after let's say 20 hours I suddenly lost my icons on pannel, my clock shows bad time and console is full of messages like this: plasma-desktop(5639): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-koprajs/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2
[13:48] <ukyoi> But it should be ok when installed with a liveCD.
[13:48] <perlmonkey> I see
[13:48] <Mamarok> which clearly doesn't seem to be the case, and you don't even knew what desktop you were running earlier
[13:48] <Mamarok> I'm off
[13:48] <ukyoi> Cya.
[13:48] <perlmonkey> ok thanks
[13:49] <KOPRajs> When I restart plasma-desktop process everything becomes normal but the issue returns after another 20 hours
[13:49] <perlmonkey> kde-full installs EVERY kde package?
[13:49] <ukyoi> perlmonkey: It should be.
[13:49] <KOPRajs> anybody have seen or have heard of such a bug?
[13:49] <perlmonkey> it's inefficient?
[13:50] <perlmonkey> I may not use half of those
[13:50] <ukyoi> perlmonkey: If you have the package, it won't be re-install.
[13:50] <ukyoi> It will only intall what you don't have.
[13:50] <perlmonkey> but what if I don't need to ever use half of those packages
[13:50] <perlmonkey> it's pointless installing them
[13:51] <perlmonkey> why would you wish to install them all
[13:51] <bazhang> perlmonkey, #kubuntu-offtopic for discussion please
[13:51] <perlmonkey> bazhang I'm speaking about kde?
[13:51] <bazhang> perlmonkey, not support though
[13:52] <n8w> hey
[13:52] <perlmonkey> I'm trying to get my system working, that's why I came here for help
[13:52] <perlmonkey> it's broken now
[13:52] <bazhang> then file a bug
[13:52] <perlmonkey> I don't want to make extra work unnecessarily for those developers
[13:53] <perlmonkey> I think I did it wrong, its not their fault
[13:53] <bazhang> only way anything will be fixed is if you file a bug.
[13:53] <n8w> ive upgraded to 10.4 but it still uses s2disk for suspend to disk as well as "hal"...i thought that "hal" has been removed ...
[13:53] <perlmonkey> I upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 and I let my apps use the old configs and that broke some stuff
[13:53] <bazhang> then its user error, nothing to file a bug about. backup and fix or reinstall
[13:53] <perlmonkey> I did not install kde desktop
[13:53] <perlmonkey> and tried to use kde apps in Gnome
[13:54] <bazhang> that is fine.
[13:54] <perlmonkey> which was not stable, now im told to install kde desktop
[13:54] <bazhang> nothing buggy about that
[13:54] <bazhang> tis not kde-desktop
[13:54] <perlmonkey> what is it?
[13:54] <bazhang> its kubuntu-desktop
[13:54] <perlmonkey> yes, sorry that's what I meant
[13:54] <bazhang> perlmonkey, you should have a read of the manual for such basic things
[13:54] <bazhang> !manual | perlmonkey
[13:54] <perlmonkey> I have installed it, but now I need more things? or is that ok now?
[13:55] <perlmonkey> somebody said I may be missing libraries
[13:55] <n8w> nobody?
[13:55] <bazhang> no idea what you have done; you seem to be running gnome with xfce file browser and using kde apps
[13:56] <perlmonkey> bazhang you're exactly right, that's what I'm doing now
[13:56] <perlmonkey> it's not allowed?
[13:56] <bazhang> perlmonkey, of course it is, but nothing to do with kubuntu
[13:56] <perlmonkey> will it cause problems?
[13:56] <perlmonkey> or be sub-optimal
[13:57] <bazhang> no idea
[13:57] <perlmonkey> kde uses a lot resources
[13:57] <perlmonkey> that's why I ran xfce4 originally
[13:57] <bazhang> perlmonkey, that is an offtopic discussion point, please move it to such a channel
[13:58] <perlmonkey> I'm switching to kubuntu
[13:58] <perlmonkey> brb
[13:58] <bazhang> then install kubuntu-desktop
[13:58] <bazhang> ugh
[14:00] <s0me0ne> Do you know how to use sed to replace a to b and c to d ? I can't find any example with TWO different replaces. I know that I can execute sed twice. But I thought there's some better way?
[14:01] <perlmonkey> wow i'm in kde
[14:07] <perlmonkey> seems ok
[14:08] <perlmonkey> you guys gave me good advice
[14:11] <vince> too bad kubuntu has no priority over the gnome version in Marc's head
[14:11] <vince> :s
[14:11] <perlmonkey> vince who is Marc
[14:11] <vince> Canonical CEO
[14:11] <perlmonkey> oh
[14:11] <perlmonkey> kde seems to be much improved in 10.04
[14:12] <vince> it is
[14:12] <perlmonkey> last time I looked it was all orange and slow, now it's blue and slick
[14:12] <perlmonkey> the guys have worked really hard
[14:12] <vince> but there is no ubuntu one, a generic kde theme
[14:12] <perlmonkey> oh
[14:12] <KOPRajs> nobody heard of a bug with icons missing after some time of plasma-desktop running?
[14:12] <KOPRajs> here's a screenshot of the problem: http://jf-web.wz.cz/kubuntu_missing_icons.png
[14:13] <vince> that's off
[14:13] <vince> *odd
[14:13] <vince> try to kill plasma-desktop
[14:13] <kgreszczuk> hello :D My English is very bad. Can You find pl chanel ??:)
[14:14] <perlmonkey> even my sound works
[14:14] <KOPRajs> if I kill plasma-desktop and run it again the problem is gone, but after some time (usually about a day) it happens again
[14:14] <vince> kgreszczuk: I'm not even sure there's a Polish channel
[14:15] <vince> might be your graphic chip ?
[14:15] <KOPRajs> vince: I'm using Catalyst 10.4 on Mobility Radeon HD 4650
[14:16] <kgreszczuk> yes,, I'm find a Polisch chanel
[14:16] <perlmonkey> hope these guys don't mess with kde now its looking and working so good
[14:16] <KOPRajs> the problem comes suddenly... I mean all icons disappear at once
[14:16] <bazhang> !pl
[14:17] <KOPRajs> and plasma-desktop is eating about 10% CPU even if I'm not doing anything
[14:17] <vince> KOPRajs: No idea what this problem is :s
[14:17] <KOPRajs> after restart of plasma-desktop it returns to 0-1%
[14:18] <KOPRajs> and console is full of: plasma-desktop(5639): Failed to lock file "/var/tmp/kdecache-koprajs/kpc/kde-icon-cache.lock" , last result = 2
[14:18] <KOPRajs> it was working fine in Karmic
[14:19] <perlmonkey> I have nvidia twinview with 2 screens so even I can drag windows across screens
[14:19] <perlmonkey> even text/typing works better in kde, it's "clever" it anticipates what you want to do
[14:19] <perlmonkey> this I like very much my whole experience of linux is greatly improved
[14:48] <KOPRajs> I've finally found a bug report about mine missing icons issue... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232973
[14:49] <KOPRajs> so it's not only mine issue :)
[14:49] <KOPRajs> there's hope for me to get this solved at least
[15:03] <perlmonkey> lost my e-mails :-/
[15:08] <slow-motion> hi
[15:08] <perlmonkey> hello
[15:13] <perlmonkey> I knew this wouldn't work
[15:16] <n8w> ive upgraded to 10.4 but it still uses s2disk for suspend to disk as well as "hal"...i thought that "hal" has been removed ...
[15:36] <Torch> n8w: kde depends on hal for now.
[15:37] <n8w> Torch:  meanin?
[15:37] <Torch> n8w: hal cannot be removed.
[15:38] <n8w> Torch: ye ok, so why the manual says that it has been removed
[15:38] <Torch> n8w: no idea. ;-)
[15:39] <n8w> Torch:  aha:) so no spped up in suspend to disk etc?
[15:39] <Torch> n8w: i don't know if the speed of suspending to disk is related to hal...
[15:40] <Bucky> hi. how do i show my contacts' images in kopete?
[15:47] <eagles0513875> hey guys how can i fix this issue i am having http://pastebin.com/xfRbX10T
[15:51] <Torch> eagles0513875: it's supposed to read "libbz2-1.0" in that file. you could manually fix that. the question is, though, how that corrupted entry got in there.
[15:53] <anj> please don't laugh - but I have a feeling one of my CPU cores is ...gone...? Gkrellm and Ksysguard both show me what looks like a single core CPU
[15:54] <anj> how do I find out what's going on?
[15:56] <anj> same with conky, just one CPU shown
[15:59] <eagles0513875> Torch: i dunno i think i have hardware issues like no other its a nightmare getting lucid installed on this desktop
[16:14] <eagles0513875> Torch: fixed it with a simple apt-get clean
[16:16] <leinuxdotbasher> hello anyone using zend server ce here and zend_amf module?
[16:25] <featherofpfft> hey guys.  i have karmic kde3 remix and when i close pidgin it doesn't remain open in the systray.  anyone know if that can be changed?
[16:26] <ubuntu_> Hello everyone
[16:27] <Unholy2010> Anyone know what the program is that's preloaded into Kubunutu that allows you to have that rotating desktop cube?
[16:27] <featherofpfft> i think it's built into plasma.
[16:28] <Unholy2010> How do I get to plasma?
[16:28] <BluesKaj-L> Unholy2010, look in system settings/desktop/desktop effects
[16:29] <justin22885> hey.. is there any way to set the desktop to show desktop icons rather than widgets?
[16:29] <uberamd> my kubuntu desktop came unplugged when I was browsing the web and it refused to boot back up after that. Yikes
[16:29] <uberamd> Yes justin
[16:29] <justin22885> how?
[16:29] <uberamd> Right Click -> Desktop Activity Settings
[16:30] <featherofpfft> linux doesn't like bad shutdowns.  i've had that happen to me too.
[16:30] <justin22885> ive been there
[16:30] <BluesKaj-L> justin22885, find the app in the kmenu then right click and choose add to desktop
[16:30] <uberamd> Under Activity change it to type Desktop
[16:30] <uberamd> And you changed activity to desktop type?
[16:31] <justin22885> what about pointing kde to the crap in my desktop folder?
[16:31] <uberamd> thats how you do it
[16:31] <uberamd> you change it to Desktop type and it then uses your desktop folder to display your desktop stuff
[16:31] <BluesKaj-L> !address | justin22885
[16:31] <featherofpfft> is there a separate channel for kde3?
[16:31] <uberamd> #obselete :)
[16:32] <featherofpfft> lol
[16:32] <featherofpfft> or #better
[16:32] <uberamd> obsolete*
[16:32] <justin22885> i wish i could install kde
[16:32] <uberamd> You have KDE don't you?
[16:33] <benkevan> I do I do
[16:34] <featherofpfft> i am surprised at how much less traffic this channel gets than #ubuntu
[16:35] <uberamd> kubuntu is significantly less popular
[16:35] <Torch> featherofpfft: some may argue this is a good thing.
[16:35] <featherofpfft> didn't know that.  i feel like there are a lot of people obsessed with kde.
[16:35] <uberamd> there are, but there are more noob GNOME people looking for help
[16:35] <justin22885> oh.. i meant, i wish i could install kde3
[16:36] <featherofpfft> lol
[16:36] <uberamd> I am not a fan of busy channels so this one is alright in my book
[16:36] <featherofpfft> justin:  kde3 is still available.
[16:36] <featherofpfft> i believe there's even an iso for 10.04
[16:37] <uberamd> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic
[16:37] <featherofpfft> karmic's the last release for kde3?
[16:37] <uberamd> Lucid also: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Lucid
[16:37] <featherofpfft> yay!
[16:37] <BluesKaj-L> !nick
[16:38] <featherofpfft> i am running karmic with kde3 and it works beautifully.  upgrade unnecessary.  but it's good to know the tradition is continuing
[16:38] <BluesKaj-L> kde4.4.3 runs nicely om karmic and lucid
[16:39] <BluesKaj-L> on
[16:39] <quesada> why is okular (with pdf backend, that is poppler) displaying the same pdf worse than evince?
[16:39] <uberamd> anyone remember when GNOME and KDE looked relatively the same?
[16:39] <quesada> if pdf backend is the same, why this big difference?
[16:39] <featherofpfft> i haven't tried it.  i am scared of kde4 because it was so horrifically terrible under intrepid.
[16:39] <uberamd> its much better now
[16:40] <uberamd> KDE 4.0 was horrible, I hated it. But it grows on me now
[16:40] <featherofpfft> cool.
[16:40] <featherofpfft> i may go kubuntu4 at some point
[16:40] <uberamd> try it in a VM first, no risk
[16:40] <featherofpfft> yeah
[16:40] <featherofpfft> good plan.
[16:43] <quesada> configure backends reveals okular is using ghostcript. How do I change to poppler?
[16:54] <uberamd> Ah, those were the days: http://imgur.com/X8KQW.png
[16:55] <featherofpfft> aaahhh so archaic
[17:08] <vbgunz> when you boot Kubuntu on verbose, the messages that fly by. where are they logged?
[17:12] <sujith_h> hi all. I had installed kubuntu Lucid. But I am facing an issue with my laptop thinkpad r51. Its not starting the X. Hence I am not able to start kdm. A helping hand would be very much appreciated
[17:22] <ridin> i need help, sound doesn't play from my headphones
[17:23] <ridin> i can only listen to the start up sound
[17:24] <sujith_h> ridin: I have an issue with the xserver as such. Its not even starting :(
[17:25] <uberamd> what do the logs say for your xserver?
[17:26] <uberamd> sujith_h: the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:26] <sujith_h> uberamd: Hi. There is no such file /var/log/Xorg.0.log :(
[17:27] <uberamd> Do you have any Xorg logs in the /var/log folder?
[17:27] <sujith_h> uberamd: Unfortunately I couldn't find any Xorg logs in /var/log :(
[17:27] <uberamd> what does it say when you type startx
[17:28] <sujith_h> uberamd: When I run startx, I couldn't fina any messages. And the screen remains hung
[17:29] <sujith_h> uberamd: I have intel graphics card. And lspci shows the information
[17:30] <uberamd> intel graphics are usually well supported, does it start when you select recovery mode from the GRUB menu then boot with failsafe graphics?
[17:31] <sujith_h> uberamd: I haven't tried that.
[17:31] <sujith_h> uberamd: I have installed using net installation.
[17:31] <sujith_h> uberamd: not an upgrade. But by formating the hard disk and installing
[17:32] <uberamd> a package may be screwed up, do you connect via ethernet or wireless?
[17:32] <sujith_h> uberamd: via ethernet
[17:32] <uberamd> ok, boot using grub to recovery mode. When the blue menu comes up select to start x with failsafe graphics first, if that fails try the repair broken packages option
[17:33] <sujith_h> uberamd: ok.
[17:34] <ridin> i need help, sound doesn't play from my headphones
[17:34] <MeanderingCode> anyone use a dark theme and wrestled with getting firefox to listen to what you put in userContent.css?
[17:36] <vojta> zdar kokoti
[17:38] <Oxymoron> When I install Kubuntu from LiveCD, is it possible to choose "truecrypt" OS "/" and /home?
[17:43] <sujith> uberamd: Hi
[17:43] <uberamd> sujith: any luck?
[17:44] <sujith> uberamd: I am not able to find grub menu :(
[17:44] <uberamd> when you boot it should immediately display
[17:44] <sujith> uberamd: I am not able to find the grub menu itself :(
[17:45] <uberamd> It will say like "Kubuntu - Linux Kernel 2.6.##.##"
[17:45] <uberamd> that doesn't show up?
[17:45] <sujith> uberamd: I was pressing the 'esc' key for a long while
[17:45] <sujith> uberamd: nope :(
[17:45] <uberamd> no escape key, it should just appear automatically before KDE begins loading
[17:45] <sujith> uberamd: tried both way
[17:45] <Pici> If you're using grub2 it is now the shift key, not escape.
[17:45] <Pici> !grub2
[17:46] <uberamd> Pici: does GRUB not automatically display anymore?
[17:46] <sujith> Pici: oh
[17:46] <Pici> uberamd: No, it gives a little status message, but the whole list does not come up anymore.
[17:47] <uberamd> Strange, mine still does on my 10.04 install
[17:47] <Pici> uberamd: grub is not upgraded when you do an upgrade to a new release.
[17:48] <sujith> uberamd: Pici : I will try by pressing shift right now
[17:48] <smokestack> Is there any way to to download lynx via http right now? the link from kubuntu.org is broken
[17:50] <smokestack> the bittorrent tracker might be down too, it's been stalled for hours
[17:52] <sujith> uberamd: Hi
[17:53] <smokestack> From one mirror: http://mirrors.login.com/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu/10.04/
[17:53] <smokestack> the download links need to be updated on the kubuntu.org end -- it's been pointing to a 404 since last night
[17:53] <sujith> uberamd: I tried with failsafe graphics. But again it didn't worked. No messages came. After that I tried with repair broken packages. Again the problem was it didn't connected to internet hence I couldn't update.
[17:55] <Torch> smokestack: http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/10.04/ works for me
[17:56] <smokestack> Torch: yeah, I found a mirror by manipulating a link off of ubuntu.org, but nothing on kubuntu.org or ubuntu.org points directly to it (that I could find)
[18:00] <sujith> uberamd: any other solution comes in mind?
[18:03] <sujith> The other problem that I faced was, when I tried to install lucid using the cd, the slash screen of kubuntu comes and after that nothing comes
[18:03] <sujith> thats why I installed via net
[18:03] <Oxymoron> How large swap partition do I need?
[18:04] <Torch> Oxymoron: a little larger than your ram size won't hurt.
[18:04] <Oxymoron> Torch: Like 4 GB?
[18:04] <Torch> Oxymoron: yep
[18:05] <wizkoder> I gave krita a new try and have to say it improved a lot. Now its finally good enough for me to replace gnome. Which was my last gnome program ;)
[18:05] <Oxymoron> Torch: Oh and may I ask, is it possible to install Truecrypt on the run on /home and / from LiveCD weh install?
[18:05] <wizkoder> s/gnome/gimp
[18:06] <Oxymoron> Torch: I bought a new SSD today because I screwed up other drives and so on ...
[18:06] <Sonsee> hi all, I have kde 4.4.3 and I try to set up kmail and contacts to work together. I have made an address book and imported all contacts there. So if I go to contacts in kmail I see all of them and can search through them. BUT, if I create a new email I can NOT see or add or select any contacts in that "New mail" window. Why is this?
[18:06] <Torch> Oxymoron: you mean, install truecrypt when installing kubuntu?
[18:07] <sujith> A helping hand to bring my x running would be appreciated.
[18:09] <Oxymoron> Torch: Yes
[18:09] <Oxymoron> Torch: Or do I do that afterwards?
[18:09] <epoizot> got a simt107b card install but not recognised by kubuntu, any hits ?
[18:09] <Torch> Oxymoron: i don't think there's a way to have it setup during install.
[18:10] <Sonsee> no one can help?)
[18:10] <Oxymoron> Torch: /home is able to be crypted I think on installation, not sure if its Truecrypt though.
[18:10] <Torch> Oxymoron: it's not
[18:10] <Oxymoron> Torch: Whats that then? :S
[18:11] <wizkoder> sujith: When you start from the live cd does X come up?
[18:11] <Torch> Oxymoron: cryptfs, probably. don't use it.
[18:12] <Torch> Oxymoron: if you just want encryption and don't need windows compatiblity, i'd recommend against truecrypt
[18:12] <EnCuKou> Hello. http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download shows a 404, has the download page moved somewhere?
[18:12] <Oxymoron> Torch: Oh ***, I quit installer and change it then.
[18:13] <Oxymoron> Torch: I wont use Windows or NTFS at all, only Linux and ext4
[18:13] <Torch> Oxymoron: there's just no reason not to use the built-in crypt stuff.
[18:13] <Torch> EnCuKou:  http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/10.04/
[18:13] <Torch> EnCuKou: as an example
[18:13] <EnCuKou> Thanks.
[18:13] <Oxymoron> Torch: Uhm I aborted installation but it seems it still running in the background XD
[18:14] <Torch> EnCuKou: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors -- this is the full list. not sure if all of the mirros have kubuntu, though.
[18:14] <Torch> Oxymoron: if you want to start over with the installtion, just turn off the machine.
[18:14] <Torch> Oxymoron: an unclean shutdown won't hurt in that case, you're going to re-create the filesystem anyway, i guess.
[18:14] <Oxymoron> Torch: ....
[18:15] <Oxymoron> yes, it has formatted anyway, I just will get broken install on it, reformat
[18:15] <Oxymoron> brb
[18:19] <sujith> wizkoder: when I try to boot using live cd
[18:20] <sujith> wizkoder: I am getting the splash screen. Nothing more than that happens. And somehow I feel the screen gets hung
[18:21] <wizkoder> sujith: Then I guess it will not work at all. Thats what the live CD is good for :) What system do you have?
[18:21] <sujith> wizkoder: ooh :( I am having Thinkpad r51 laptop. With intel graphics card and intel ethernet
[18:22] <sujith> wizkoder: the ethernet is working thats why I were able to install via internet
[18:22] <wizkoder> sujith: I would try with another live cd first. like knoppix.
[18:22] <Oxymoron> Torch: Yeah now we do another try :P
[18:23] <sujith> wizkoder: But I wonder, the karmic cola worked perfectly in my laptop
[18:24] <wizkoder> sujith: Okay, thats really strange. I fear I am not deep enough involved to fix this. No clue what changed in the drivers/kernel lately.
[18:24] <sujith> wizkoder: This is for the first time that kubuntu installation failed in my laptop :(
[18:25] <Oxymoron> Torch: Do you know if its possible to install TrueCrypt on whole drives and/or ext4 partitions, not only /?
[18:25] <Torch> sujith: you could try the alternative installer cd
[18:25] <Torch> Oxymoron: i have never used truecrypt
[18:25] <sujith> Torch: can you give me the link please?
[18:25] <Torch> sujith: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
[18:26] <sujith> Torch: Since I am from India, I took indian mirror
[18:26] <sujith> Torch: I wonder which one should I pick
[18:27] <jopa> I have looked everywhere, after upgrade to 10.04 I am stuck with white desktop background and can't find any way to change it, maybe I need more coffee
[18:30] <sujith> Torch: I tried kubuntu. So I think link would be http://www.kubuntu.com/getkubuntu/downloadmirrors right?
[18:31] <Torch> sujith: no. the link i gave you is valid for kubuntu
[18:31] <sujith> Torch: ok
[18:32] <jopa> finally found it under "folder view activity settings" nothing in system settings
[18:32] <Torch> jopa: that's because you can have an unlimited number of activities
[18:35] <sujith> Torch: but I couldn't find the kubuntu iso for the link that was given by you?
[18:36] <Torch> sujith: http://tw.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/
[18:36] <Torch> sujith: pick either link from the alternate install cd
[18:36] <Torch> (the one you need, obviously)
[18:36] <ZeroKewl> hi
[18:36] <n8w> hey
[18:36] <ZeroKewl> how do i get user list back on Konversation i hit a button and user list is gone
[18:37] <n8w> whats up with kubuntu download?
[18:37] <n8w> i wanna donwload kubuntu but its seems that the download section doesnt work
[18:37] <Torch> ZeroKewl: settings menu, show nicklist
[18:38] <Torch> n8w: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
[18:38] <Torch> could some op adjust the topic please, this tires me.
[18:38] <ZeroKewl> ty
[18:38] <n8w> Torch: ye ive tried that,but i wasnt sure that i would download Kubuntu n not ubuntu
[18:39] <Torch> n8w: the mirrors i checked seem to all have a kubuuntu subdir
[18:39] <n8w> Torch: ok i might have overlooked it....
[18:42] <sujith> Torch: Thanks, I started downloading the alternate iso from the second link, provided by you
[18:43] <sujith> Torch: One doubt. What if the live cd doesn't work in the alternate cd?
[18:43] <vezeena> How can you display the in5/6 etc labels in lm-sensors as the actual thing without entering the setup during boot?
[18:43] <Torch> sujith: there are no guarantees. i have used that alternate cd two years ago... it's just a suggestion, nothing more.
[18:45] <n8w> im gonna reinstall my system.could u pls tell what folders i should backup(except for /home).........var?etc?
[18:46] <Torch> n8w: the most important is /etc
[18:47] <n8w> Torch: ok,does that mean that im not gonna have to set up my system from the scratch?
[18:47] <Torch> n8w: you will still have to do that
[18:47] <Torch> n8w: etc has some stuff you might want to keep, like global configs, ssh keys and so on.
[18:47] <n8w> Torch: eee...i mean, my settings r bein stored in my home directory right?
[18:48] <Torch> n8w: your kde settings, yes
[18:48] <n8w> Torch: ye exactly, especialy global settings
[18:48] <Torch> n8w: what do you mean by global settings?
[18:48] <n8w> Torch: bash n so on
[18:49] <Torch> n8w: your bash config is probably also stored in your home, unless you changed it globally in /etc
[18:49] <n8w> Torch: ee sry, just a wrong interpretation
[18:50] <n8w> Torch: ok then...so lets recap....home,etc,var..is that it?
[18:50] <Torch> n8w: you probably don't need var, but it won't hurt.
[18:50] <Torch> n8w: no one knows what you spread across your filesystem ;-) you could have stuff in /usr/local, you could have more stuff in /opt
[18:50] <n8w> Torch: k...i wanna backup as much as possible,coz i dont wanna spend hours on setting up stuff the way i like it
[18:50] <Torch> n8w: not even thinking of that whole website you could have set up in /srv ;-)
[18:51] <Torch> n8w: well, your personal KDE settings are, as you already said, in /home. so you won't lose those.
[18:51] <n8w> Torch: yep...well the only thing im gonna have to take care of is my db2 server
[18:57] <quesada> is there a ppa for poppler and okular?
[18:57] <oxymoron> Torch: Btw, do you know if theres huge performance diffrence between extrnal and internal HDDs?
[18:59] <thomasfuston> Aloha, i got a short question, is there anyone who could tell me, whatfor Desktop activitys  are ?
[19:03] <n8w> Torch: im sry but ive got one lat question...i also need to backup settings for my printers...is that also in /home?
[19:06] <Matisse> hi
[19:06] <Matisse> dolphin wants to start films with kaffeine which isnt installed. How do I update its knowledge?
[19:06] <Matisse> dont wanna remove each entry in file handling settings...
[19:14] <kazama> q
[19:34] <n8w> im tyrin to use simplebackupsuite but everytime i hit "backup now" it doesnt do anythin
[19:51] <n8w> anyone using simplebackup?
[19:59] <rmrfslash> Does someone know how I can get apt-get through a proxy if I a) export http_proxy=proxy:8080  b) I can wget from www.google.com
[19:59] <rmrfslash> apt-get update however is met with a series of "Cannot initiate the connection"
[20:00] <Ep5iloN> n8w: if some service or prog do not work, check the log files..
[20:00] <rmrfslash> says "Cannot initiate the connection to 8080:80
[20:01] <rmrfslash> why is it doing that
[20:01] <Torch> rmrfslash: man apt.conf
[20:01] <rmrfslash> there is no apt.conf
[20:02] <Torch> rmrfslash: read the manpage
[20:08] <rmrfslash> Torch: is there a reason they wouldn't use the environment variable?
[20:09] <Torch> rmrfslash: i have no idea
[20:11] <rmrfslash> Torch: also... reading the manpage it says If no one of the above settings is specified,
[20:11] <rmrfslash>            http_proxy environment variable will be used.
[20:11] <Torch> rmrfslash: why don't you just set the thing in the apt.conf and try it.
[20:11] <rmrfslash> I did that too
[20:11] <rmrfslash> and forgive me if I expect things to work
[20:12] <tim__> whats the best html/javascript IDE for kubunut/linux?
[20:15] <rmrfslash> clearly apt-get is dumb enough not to be able to detect that I didn't use a "http://" in from of my export http_proxy=proxy:8080 env variable
[20:15] <rmrfslash> because export http_proxy=http://proxy:8080 works
[20:15] <Torch> rmrfslash: it's not valid without the protocol
[20:16] <rmrfslash> let me man that up
[20:17] <rmrfslash> can't default to http?
[20:18] <rmrfslash> also, if I explicitely define the port... who cares if I use a protocol
[20:19] <rmrfslash> isn't this what IANA is for?
[20:19] <Torch> rmrfslash: because it could be https
[20:21] <rmrfslash> there's https_proxy for that
[20:22] <rmrfslash> http_proxy implies http://
[20:22] <rmrfslash> obviously.
[20:24] <noaXess> how can i get all dependencies of an installed app.. what lib's the app needs?
[20:24] <noaXess> uses?
[20:25] <Pici> noaXess: apt-cache depends
[20:26] <noaXess> Pici: thanks..
[20:26] <Sonsee> how to make new windows appear on top in kde? somehow if I open something it shows on background..?
[20:28] <Sonsee> is it impossible?))
[20:29] <Torch> rmrfslash: nonsense. https_proxy is the env var for https requests. also, i really don't see where you're aiming at here.
[20:30] <rmrfslash> apt-get uses http, so it looks at the http_proxy env var right?
[20:31] <rmrfslash> whatever, I lost interest
[20:48] <Matisse> dolphin wants to start films with kaffeine which isnt installed. How do I update its knowledge?
[20:49] <Torch> Matisse: right click on movie file, select properties, click on the little wrench and change the application preference order
[20:50] <Matisse> yeah, but how do I remove this non-existing-kaffeine?
[20:50] <Matisse> I dont wanna remove each entry in file handling settings...
[20:51] <Torch> Matisse: try system settings -> advanced -> file associations
[20:52] <Sonsee> I have imported contacts into kmail. They are all there, I can search through them, but when I write an email, I cannot select or even see any address of my address book, any ideas?
[20:52] <Sonsee> *in "New email" window
[20:53] <Sonsee> only recent address book seems to work there
[20:57] <kottlett> hi! will kde 4.4.3 be part of lucid at some time, or is the ppa the only way?
[20:57] <acemo> after installing a new graphics card driver, do i have to reboot or is restarting X enough?
[20:59] <Torch> acemo: making sure the kernel module is loaded and restarting X is enough
[21:00] <acemo> Torch: how can i check if its loaded? i just tried glxgears and glxinfo and both give me a nice segmentation fault
[21:00] <Torch> acemo: if you're not sure, reboot
[21:01] <acemo> Torch: i'm on a live cd, checking if the new 10.5 catalyst drivers work for my 5730 mobility
[21:01] <Mamarok> kottlett: it might end up in the regular backports
[21:01] <Torch> acemo: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log you'll see which driver X is using
[21:01] <Mamarok> kottlett: keep an eye on http://kubuntu.org
[21:01] <Torch> acemo: glxinfo will tell you what X knows about the opengl support the driver provides
[21:02] <Torch> acemo: ah, you knew that. missed it.
[21:02] <binarylooks> since today, rekonq loses the scroll bars sometimes. anybody else see the problem?
[21:03] <kottlett> Mamarok: ok... thx. should bugs still be reported to launchpad, with a link to the (possibly fixed) bug on the kde tracker? or are they unlikely to be backported?
[21:06] <Torch> kottlett: report kde bugs on bugs.kde.org
[21:06] <Torch> kottlett: kde are the one fixing them
[21:07] <kottlett> Torch: ok... I hoped for some fixes in lucid updates :-/
[21:07] <Torch> kottlett: you'll get them on lucid, via backports, updates, ppa, whatever
[21:07] <Torch> kottlett: but first kde need to fix them ;-)
[21:08] <kottlett> ok
[21:08] <jaime> hi, how do i keep knetworkmanager from autostarting? i only need static IP via /etc/network/interfaces
[21:11] <BluesKaj-L> jaime, you can uninstall NM or edit it in /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[21:12] <jaime> BluesKaj-L: cool thanks
[21:12] <BluesKaj-L> jaime, i just removed NM , and
[21:13] <BluesKaj-L> ignored the NetworkManager.state
[21:13] <BluesKaj-L> Nm relies on that file to work, so removing NM is probly best
[21:14] <BluesKaj-L> in case you want to reinstyallNM at a later date
[21:14] <vbgunz> does anyone know why the scanning part of gimp is far superior to sanegui? I mean, sanegui does about 1/10th the scan right and everything else is blank. gimp just gets it right. anyone know why?
[21:14] <jaime> BluesKaj-L: yes, i don't think i will ever need it anyway
[21:15] <BluesKaj-L> yup, jaime /etc/network/interfaces is best with eth0
[21:17] <jaime> BluesKaj-L: these automatic system breakers annoy me to no end;) not even talking about kwallet... apt-get remove in 3..2..
[21:21] <][PAPERINA][> buona sera a tutti
[21:21] <][PAPERINA][> !list
[21:27] <acemo> http://pastebin.com/KwQPaK9r Does this looks like it would be solved by rebooting? (in that case i'll have to install and reboot.. on live cd now)
[21:31] <mandip> where can i configure xorg?
[21:33] <mandip> how do i configure xorg?
[21:44] <smithjd> cd /etc/X11
[21:44] <smithjd> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe xorg.conf
[21:45] <shadeslayer_> smithjd: hes gone :)
[21:45] <smithjd> ah
[21:45] <shadeslayer_> smithjd: or just : sudo nvidia-xconfig
[21:47] <BluesKaj-L> smithjd, shadeslayer_ or if he has no xorg.conf ,  http://ubuntulinux.co.in/blog/ubuntu/ubuntu-9-10/xorg-conf-file-create-on-ubuntu-9-10/
[21:47] <shadeslayer_> BluesKaj-L: but whats the point? hes gone :P
[21:48] <BluesKaj-L> shadeslayer_, it's info , if you're interested , but obviously you aren't
[21:49] <shadeslayer_> BluesKaj-L: im tired... thats all.. :(
[21:49] <mandip> my xorg keeps restarting
[21:49] <mandip> i get this in log
[21:49] <mandip> 2010-05-26 21:27:15	Big-PC	kernel	[ 5319.631894] [drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation -12!
[21:50] <mandip> 2010-05-26 21:28:14	Big-PC	kernel	[ 5378.183384] usb 1-2: usbfs: interface 1 claimed by usblp while 'usb' sets config #1
[21:50] <mandip> and a bit more
[21:50] <shadeslayer_> mandip: ah youre back :)
[21:51] <shadeslayer_> BluesKaj-L: ^^
[21:51] <shadeslayer_> mandip: nvidia card?
[21:51] <mandip> im actually harjot
[21:51] <mandip> messege him instead
[21:51] <shadeslayer_> ah :)
[21:51] <shadeslayer_> harjot: nvidia-card?
[21:51] <mandip> ATI RADEON
[21:51] <BluesKaj-L> mandip, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[21:52] <mandip> Will that reconfigure completely?
[21:52] <BluesKaj-L> it opens the file for editing
[21:53] <mandip> Nothing is happening
[21:53] <BluesKaj-L> where did you post the command?
[21:53] <mandip> konsole
[21:54] <mandip> should i do it in tty?
[21:55] <mandip> BluesKaj-L: what should i do?
[21:55] <BluesKaj-L> it's best to stop kdm , so you'll need to drop to a tty , alt+ctrl+f1 , the sudo service kdm stop , run the xorg command
[21:55] <BluesKaj-L> then startx
[21:56] <lvlech> does anyone know how to fix the sound on firefox? I'm using 64 bit kubuntu.
[21:56] <mandip> Ok im going to disconnefct for this
[21:57] <puddle> Hi guys
[21:57] <puddle> what is the latest version of Kubuntu ?
[21:57] <jessejazza> 10.4
[21:58] <BluesKaj-L> 10.04
[21:58] <puddle> cheers
[21:58] <jessejazza> 10.04... yes sorry... bit brief on the typing this evening
[21:59] <lvlech> does anyone know how to fix the sound on firefox? I'm using 64 bit kubuntu.
[22:00] <jessejazza> think you've got to add the codecs
[22:01] <smithjd> xorg-edgers overlay: i have an issue with a resolution that works fine on supported packages but i can't get 1024x800. the binary driver had the same issue but a toggle in the modules config actually allowed my notebook to not mis-display.
[22:02] <lvlech> ah. Can you be more specific?
[22:02] <smithjd> 1200x800.
[22:10] <acemo> how do i reset my x config? it seems to have installed the one i used during the live cd, but i don't have fglrx installed now.
[22:15] <Phloog> Hi there!
[22:17] <Phloog> I just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.04 from 9.10, and compositing doesn't work (Hardware drivers also says 'no optional drivers are used') - but when booting from the live CD, compositing works like a charm. I'm on a bit aged laptop with a ati radeon 9600 mobility... can someone push me in the right direction?
[22:18] <lvlech> does allow files to be save/view on the desktop screen?
[22:19] <lvlech> does anyone know how to allow files to be save/view on the desktop screen?**
[22:19] <oxymoron> If I do this command "sudo ln -s /home/oxymoron/Publikt /tvixhd1", I got /tvixhd1/Publikt instead of the content of ~/Publikt,- WHy? :S
[22:19] <lvlech> I don't want to see it in that rectangle looking thing
[22:21] <FireCrotch> Does anyone know if there is some kind of problem with the Kubuntu alternate-i386 iso? I haven't been able to boot from it. md5 of the image was good, and the burn was good.
[22:21] <Phloog> lvlech, I think you can switch to "old fashioned" behaviour (desktop = folder)
[22:21] <lvlech> where is that?
[22:21] <Phloog> umm, wait a sec
[22:21] <lvlech> FireCrotch: did you burn kubuntu as iso?
[22:22] <FireCrotch> lvlech: yes
[22:22] <Phloog> try:   right click, desktop activity settings, activity, type: Folder view
[22:22] <Phloog> but I'm not 100% sure
[22:24] <oxymoron> If I do this command "sudo ln -s /home/oxymoron/Publikt /tvixhd1", I got /tvixhd1/Publikt instead of the content of ~/Publikt,- WHy? :S
[22:24] <bukayo> 4.5 b1 is out. will it be maverick's def?
[22:25] <oxymoron> bukayo: KDE 4.5 beta?! :O
[22:25] <Phloog> oxymoron: maybe because the folder "/tvixhd1" already exists?
[22:26] <bukayo> oxymoron: yep..ppa cud be in a few days?
[22:26] <espada> hi
[22:26] <espada> hello?
[22:27] <oxymoron> Phloog: Shouldnt it? :S
[22:27] <espada> how do I add the nice wheather widget? the one with the sun and the clouds??
[22:27] <oxymoron> bukayo: Wow, cool need to test out I think ... but not sure, do you think its stable?
[22:28] <Phloog> oxymoron: well you want to create a symlink - that's not going to work if something identical-named (a file, or folder) is already there!
[22:28] <lvlech> thanks Phloog
[22:28] <lvlech> it works
[22:28] <Phloog> glad I could help lvlech ;)
[22:29] <lvlech> another one
[22:29] <lvlech> does anyone know where the trash can is?
[22:29] <oxymoron> Phloog: Ah I misunderstood how it work xD Thanks for the explanation man, helped me out! :) I was annoyed when was going to fix my mediastreamer before fast and symlink didnt work, awkward xD
[22:29] <bukayo> lvlech: open dolphin
[22:30] <lvlech> thanks
[22:30] <ridin> i'm unable to listen to music or sounds from youtube, amarok, etc, however i can only hear the start up sound
[22:30] <ridin> please help
[22:30] <oxymoron> bukayo: But I cannot understand the focus on Beta, completely wrong areas to fix and then Kmix and Akonadi is delayed, what a ********
[22:30] <bukayo> lvlech: or you can add widget to your task bar
[22:30] <oxymoron> Akonadi have been delayed for the last time
[22:30] <lvlech> even better
[22:30] <lvlech> thanks
[22:31] <oxymoron> Hopefully OpenGL will work correctly now with QT 4.7 and KDE 4.5
[22:31] <espada> so please?? I need a better wheather widget
[22:31] <ridin> someone??
[22:32] <espada> this one is too plain
[22:32]  * oxymoron loves his SSD disk, apt-get update goes light speeds faster and boot time under 5 seconds
[22:33] <Phloog> ridin: try to lookup Pulseaudio
[22:33] <oxymoron> EVERYTHING goes faster .... even web browser, because cache writing is faster.
[22:33] <ridin> ok phloog, i'll check that out
[22:35] <lvlech> ridgin: are you using 64 bit kubuntu?
[22:35] <dukem> hey does anyone kno how to install a theme for quassel?
[22:35] <ridin> me?
[22:35] <lvlech> ya
[22:35] <lvlech> sorry
[22:35] <ridin> no, 32 bit
[22:35] <lvlech> did you install flash player?
[22:35] <ridin> i've reinstalled 3 times
[22:36] <ridin> the first installation it worked fine
[22:36] <lvlech> do you have pulseaudio?
[22:36] <espada> please someone
[22:36] <ridin> no
[22:36] <espada> so please?? I need a better wheather widget
[22:36] <lvlech> I think you need that
[22:36] <ridin> ok. i'm installing updates so i'll check that out
[22:36] <oxymoron> Btw, does someone know how to change download path for Chrome?
[22:38] <lvlech> ridin: set your PCM and master on mixer to 100%
[22:39] <ridin> lvlech: do i need pulseaudio for that?
[22:39] <lvlech> I have mine on
[22:39] <ridin> ok...
[22:39] <ridin> installing
[22:40] <Phloog> does someone know what I could do if when booting from the 10.04 live CD, compisiting works like a charm, but if booting from HDD after upgrading a 9.10 to 10.04, compositing doesn't work
[22:40] <Phloog> (same PC of course ;) )
[22:41] <puddle> I have an old version of kubuntu, and it is refusing to upgrade, i tried sudo apt-get upgrade it does it but afterwards its still the same does anyone have a sollution for this?
[22:42] <oxymoron> Phloog: Yeah, you do a clean install of 10.04 ;)
[22:42] <Phloog> har har.
[22:42] <Phloog> :)
[22:42] <espada> so please?? I need a better wheather widget
[22:42] <Phloog> well obviously it's a configuration issue.
[22:43] <oxymoron> Phloog: I got same issue myself earlier when upgrading from Karmic to Lucid, doenst work well. It never works fell upgrading to new version, configuration incompatibility, its hopeless.
[22:44] <Phloog> hm. hard to accept, that  *G*
[22:44] <Phloog> because otherwise, upgrading worked so well
[22:44] <espada> yooo nobody got a better wheather widget???!!
[22:44] <espada> I mean is not too hard to reply
[22:45] <Phloog> okay I'll dig into config files some more :]
[22:46] <espada> nevermind I got it in kde-look
[22:46] <oxymoron> Phloog: Yeah I tried long time with my stubborness, but gave up. I had same problems every single time since 8.04 of Kubuntu, always trouble. It feels like everything went well but in the backend everything ********* up
[22:46] <ridin> yay, it's working
[22:47] <ridin> thanks lvlech!!
[22:47] <lvlech> ridin: np :)
[22:50] <lvlech> see you guys
[22:50] <oxymoron> Btw, why is that freaking /dev/fd0 added everrytime to fstab, nobody using floppy today anyway? D.
[22:50] <espada> kde-look should look more like a iphone app store
[22:53] <espada> thanks for ignoring
[22:53] <espada> me
[22:55] <Torch> espada: cwp?
[22:57] <espada> what's a multi-protocol IM? with facebook and myspace?
[22:57] <ridin> espada: i use pidgin
[22:58] <espada> eerrr KDE 4 preferably
[22:58] <ridin> espada: pidgin
[22:58] <ridin> :P
[22:58] <espada> really? since when is qt4?
[22:59] <ridin> idk what you just said, new to linux
[22:59] <ridin> but sudo apt-get install pidgin
[22:59] <espada> get out irc
[23:00] <ridin> why
[23:00] <espada> cuz
[23:00] <ridin> not a good reason
[23:00]  * ridin wears a 5 ton anvil
[23:11] <oxymoron> May I ask why Kdevelop isnt in *buntu soruce mirrors yet, I mean without have to add backport packages?
[23:32] <dukem> anyone know any good chat rooms
[23:38] <espada> wow since when font changing is on the fly?
[23:38] <espada> that's slick
[23:45] <MPX> When will catalyst 10.5 be added to the repository*?