[00:12] <shauno> I've seen that in a few dell servers - the internal usb port.  handy for esxi
[00:33] <daftykins> =]
[06:10] <mapp> i all
[06:10] <mapp> im back dont worry
[06:49] <mapp> hm poker night film sounds ok
[06:51] <mapp> noone around odd ;[
[08:15] <popey> Morning!
[08:20] <daftykins> o/
[08:22] <Seeker`> \o
[08:37] <DJones> Morning all, happy back to the grindstone & wage slave day
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:00] <Myrtti> morning
[09:01] <brobostigon> morning Myrtti
[09:03] <Myrtti> I should maybe find another wallpaper for my Ubuntu
[09:03] <Myrtti> I've stared at the Hotel Adriano garden with Gina in a gazebo for a year now
[09:04] <brobostigon> it would be cool if live wallpapers were possible, but a definate waste of resources.
[09:04]  * DJones hands Myrtti http://www.thevintagegalaxy.com/image/cache/data/tapeten%20der%2070er%20(8)-1024x1024.JPG
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05]  * Myrtti just goes to browse http://imgur.com/gallery/wTApy
[09:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice star destroyer dude figured out where you are putting it yet?
[09:10] <zmoylan-pi> a change of wallpaper once an hour from a web cam would be nice so you could see a location as it goes though night and day
[09:10] <popey> brobostigon: live wallpapers is possible
[09:10] <brobostigon> popey: cool,
[09:11] <bashrc_> so how do you set up a live wallpaper from webcam?
[09:11] <popey> no idea
[09:12] <bashrc_> I've never seen that done, but it's maybe possible
[09:12] <bashrc_> ...then pick some puppycam
[09:13] <zmoylan-pi> a rasp pi project beckons...
[09:14] <Myrtti> oh man, I love new Gimp
[09:16] <Myrtti> there, now I've got a new wallpaper.
[09:16] <Myrtti> and new gmail background as well.
[09:25] <davmor2> Myrtti: why the new gimp?  What does it do that the old one didn't?
[09:26] <Myrtti> well new gimp in comparison to the gimp that was with 12.04
[09:26] <Myrtti> single window setup
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, happy new year, and happy Bird Day! :-D
[09:55] <davmor2> JamesTait: /me hears the surviving Turkeys sigh a communal sigh of relief
[09:56] <JamesTait> davmor2, wait, we missed one?
[09:57] <nigelb> I thought it'd be "Oh dear, it's back to the grind" day.
[09:58] <davmor2> JamesTait: it's the feral ones they hide, next year they fight back, I might be confusing turkeys and apes though there was a few films about it ;)
[10:00] <JamesTait> nigelb, never! 2015 is going to be amazing! :)
[10:00]  * JamesTait keeps a look out for feral davmor2s.
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> beware of feral turkeys http://vineyardgazette.com/news/2008/06/20/one-wild-turkey-four-gunshots-lead-three-assault-charges?k=vg54aa60e958691&r=1
[10:02] <nigelb> lol
[10:02] <davmor2> JamesTait: if I learnt anything from 2014, 2015 is going to be a roller-coaster ride and insanely busy
[10:11] <JamesTait> davmor2, isn't that what I said? :-P
[10:12] <DJones> mmmmh, wild turkey, nice whisky
[12:52] <NET||abuse> i'm trying to decide what to do with my odroice-c1, i got it just before new year, have it running their image of ubuntu 14.04.1
[12:52] <NET||abuse> I could just xmbc my telly with it, but i feel like i should do something more
[12:52] <diplo> Let me know how well it runs xbmc :)
[12:52] <NET||abuse> will do.
[12:52] <diplo> That's what I was going to buy it for
[12:53] <NET||abuse> yeh, i'll get it setup as soon as i have time now this week
[12:54] <NET||abuse> the image they give you has a setup tool when it boots, kind of like a live image, you dd it onto your sd card, then there's the utity with ncurses menu that you can setup the hdmi resolution, update the kernel, expand the fs on the sdcard, and there's an install xbmc option, but it came up with not supported (yet)
[12:54] <diplo> Still it sounds good
[12:54] <NET||abuse> indeed, so just have to figure out he xbmc setup
[12:54] <diplo> Can grab xbmc or KODI from the ppa I guess
[12:54] <NET||abuse> they have a video of it, so hopeing that the not supported (yet) might just mean update a repo or something.
[12:55] <NET||abuse> yup, could look into that,
[12:55] <NET||abuse> saw an arch page on setting up odroid today too
[12:55] <NET||abuse> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv7/amlogic/odroid-c1
[12:55] <NET||abuse> I'd be happier in ubuntu as i know what i'm doing there, but there is some part of me willing to experiment and try arch on it.
[12:56] <NET||abuse> I've not arch'd before.
[12:57] <diplo> https://launchpad.net/~team-xbmc/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:00] <diplo> Or http://kodi.wiki/view/Official_Ubuntu_PPA
[14:24] <Azelphur> first day back at work, and http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4035056453 my internet connection is clearly happy today.
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> people still on holiday/sick... :-)
[14:25] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: hehe, nah was fine yesterday, must be some sort of fault, it's a 70mbit bt infinity line
[15:04] <diddledan> Azelphur: that's very slow if you're on a 76Mbit line
[15:08] <zmoylan-pi> well he's got 2-3 weeks of tv downloading :-)
[15:24] <Azelphur> diddledan: oversold again it seems
[15:24] <Azelphur> enta.net seem to be the king of overselling, this is the third time they've oversold my line now.
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> buy a second connection with them so you're in connention with yourself :-P
[15:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:26] <Azelphur> I love how they openly admit "Oh it seems our node is overloaded"
[15:26] <Azelphur> thanks for selling my internet connection that I already paid for to someone else folks!
[15:26] <Azelphur> xD
[15:27] <zmoylan-pi> it would make deep packet inspection much more interesting if half the packets are missing :-)
[15:28] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:00] <awilkins> I'm on a 60... allegedly
[16:00] <awilkins> VM have just mailed me to say they'll upgrade me to 100
[16:01] <awilkins> From the way it's rigged, I'm betting that entails taking another contract with them because I have to click on things and "order" stuff
[16:02] <awilkins> I don't actually get much more than 20Mbit/s
[16:02] <awilkins> Upload is fine
[16:23] <daftykins> awilkins: are you in a city centre? or Uni town?
[16:24] <awilkins> daftykins, Rubbish suburb
[16:24] <awilkins> From past performance problems I'm guessing there are a lot of torrenters around here
[16:24] <awilkins> Local router had severe RAM / CPU problems a few years ago
[16:24] <daftykins> :(
[16:26] <daftykins> supplied one?
[16:40] <popey> awilkins: which modem do you currently have?
[16:40] <popey> the little ntl one with green LEDs along the front?
[16:41] <awilkins> popey, The VM branded "Superhub" with the red and blue lights in the corner
[16:41] <popey> oh, that should be capable of 100Mb
[16:41] <awilkins> Yeah
[16:41] <awilkins> It has the 60mbit profile loaded at present but only manages ~ 22Mbit/s on speedtest.net
[16:42] <popey> ouch
[16:42] <awilkins> Which is consistent with things like Steam download speeds
[16:42]  * popey speedtests
[16:42] <popey> "Speedtest.net requires Flash"
[16:42] <popey> maybe not
[16:42] <awilkins> It's in Modem mode and connected to my internal router
[16:42] <awilkins> But I have tested it with just a bare wire
[16:42] <daftykins> perhaps it should find itself a little accident
[16:43] <awilkins> Usually a problem on the line, not in the modem
[16:43] <awilkins> Every time I've had problems they send an engineer out and they usually change the attenuator
[16:44] <popey> \o/ speedtest-cli
[16:44] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9677478/
[16:44] <popey> \o/
[16:46] <Laney> I need to put some ethernet cable down in this place
[16:46] <Laney> wiring's a bit old for powerline
[16:47] <daftykins> cat6 all the things \o/
[16:48] <awilkins> popey, That's really useful
[16:48] <awilkins> It was resolving another ISPs speed server
[16:49] <awilkins> So tested it with the VM hosted one
[16:49] <awilkins> Same speed, 19.19 mbit/s
[16:50] <daftykins> is the one attached the only coax feed in the property?
[16:50] <daftykins> if their modem is a little funky it should totally have an accident ;)
[16:52] <diddledan> do they replace modems if they have water damage from finding their way into a bath full of water at the opposite end of the house to where the router usually sits?
[16:52] <awilkins> It's on the only coax in the house
[16:53] <awilkins> Don't even have an STB
[16:57] <popey> i want to move my vm box
[16:57] <popey> but hate DIY
[16:59] <DJones> popey: You're a bloke, you love DIY (subject to stereotypes)
[16:59] <daftykins> :)
[17:00] <popey> Nope.
[17:01] <diddledan> I can't DIY
[17:01] <diddledan> I break things
[17:02] <diddledan> now then, I wonder if my desktop pc is randomly cutting power because the cpu gets too hot?
[17:02] <diddledan> it needs a decent clean of the heatsink
[17:03] <diddledan> or better yet, a bigger more sinking heat sink
[17:03] <DJones> Or a colder office
[17:03]  * DJones moves diddledan to Finland
[17:03] <DJones> To an office with no glass in the windows
[17:04] <diddledan> brr
[17:05] <daftykins> diddledan: how do the sensors read?
[17:05] <diddledan> daftykins: as in the technology or the actual value?
[17:05] <daftykins> temperatures, ja
[17:06] <diddledan> I've not actually had a look at the moment of power-off, I only thought about it after it's been offline overnight
[17:06] <daftykins> i got pretty tempted by those Dell XPS 13s the other day, but 1) i really don't fancy something with the Dell logo on it and 2) there are way too many changes in the industry coming that'd render it pretty useless soon enough
[17:07] <ali1234> what changes are those?
[17:07] <diddledan> new uberchip from intel
[17:08] <daftykins> more so USB 3.1c
[17:08] <daftykins> 'useless' was an exaggeration :D
[17:08] <diddledan> 3.1c?!
[17:08] <daftykins> yep y'know, the 10Gbps audio, video and reversible connector edition
[17:09] <diddledan> aah, yes
[17:09] <diddledan> an attempt at usurping thunderbolt
[17:09] <daftykins> i think it needs to be done, haven't exactly seen thunderbolt take off
[17:09] <diddledan> I would expect it to achieve better penetration than thunderbolt
[17:10] <diddledan> the advantage of usb is that it's completely backwards compatible down to 1.0
[17:10] <zmoylan-pi> os/2 had more penetration than thunderbolt :-)
[17:10]  * diddledan resists innuendo
[17:11] <daftykins> of course, getting rid of it means less plays of AC/DC's 'Thunderstruck'
[17:16] <DJones> Oh my word, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-30681476 Space hopper man caught on dual carriageway
[17:17]  * zmoylan-pi tries to remember the british comedy of the serial killer with the spacehopper
[17:17] <diddledan> haha
[17:17] <diddledan> lmao
[17:17] <DJones> zmoylan-pi: I don't remember that one
[17:17] <diddledan> what an eejit
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> monkey dust
[17:18] <DJones> And this is why scotland should have been given independance
[17:18] <diddledan> DJones, yeah, get rid of them :-p
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPUmH46xRoU monky dust
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> the link i meant... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBUFgJlrCDc
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> great show...
[17:46] <Laney> mmm after eights
[18:00] <popey> But it's only 6!
[18:00] <zmoylan-pi> he's eating 2 hours east...
[18:01] <Laney> it's after 8 am
[18:01] <Laney> and if it's not, then it's after 8 pm :-)
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> as long as he doesn't feed the gremlin after midnight
[18:02] <daftykins> =]
[18:10] <diddledan> ok, I've booted my desktop - it's hovering around 60-70C on the CPU
[18:11] <daftykins> idle? jeez
[18:11] <daftykins> clean + thermal paste reapplication o'clock, perhaps?
[18:12] <diddledan> hmm, just dropped to around 50 now
[18:12] <diddledan> still high IMO
[18:12] <daftykins> what type is it?
[18:12] <diddledan> the gfx is static at about 45
[18:12] <diddledan> it's an amd bulldozer 8core
[18:13] <daftykins> oh so you're the guy that buys AMD ;)
[18:13] <diddledan> lol
[18:14] <diddledan> I want an intel for my next one tho
[18:14] <daftykins> so sad they'll likely never come back and compete as they once did :(
[18:14] <diddledan> they _used_ to be better than the equivalent intel back in the K6 days
[18:15] <daftykins> mmm, i loved them for the Athlon XP and Athlon64 era
[18:15] <daftykins> though for the latter they were dogged by chipset woes
[18:16] <diddledan> odd that amd won the 64bit race, too, allthough not by being first
[18:16] <diddledan> itanium was first but nobody wanted it
[18:16] <daftykins> faster with x64 tasks y'mean?
[18:17] <daftykins> yarr
[18:17] <diddledan> prolly because it wasn't x86-compatible
[18:17] <daftykins> aren't there some dramatic differences between the architectures though?
[18:17] <daftykins> maybe that :D
[18:17] <intrbiz> diddledan: DEC Alpha was 64bit before Itanium (which was mostly a HP design anyway)
[18:17] <intrbiz> AMD beat Intel to the 1GHz x86 boundary too
[18:18] <diddledan> intrbiz, and there was ppc64, also
[18:19] <diddledan> and sparc64
[18:19] <diddledan> ppc was/is ibm? and sparc was sun?
[18:19] <intrbiz> Power is IBM
[18:20] <intrbiz> AMD also put the memory controller, GPU on die long before Intel did
[18:20] <diddledan> I thought for a while after sun open sourced solaris that it was going to gain more traction than it did - I think part of the problem was that oracle came along
[18:20] <intrbiz> AMD also had Hypertransport, which Intel later copied with QPI
[18:20] <diddledan> if there's one thing that oracle does well, it's killing anything it touches
[18:21] <intrbiz> Oracle has tried hard to damage the open solaris community
[18:21] <zmoylan-pi> are they as good as hp at killing acquisitions?
[18:21] <intrbiz> diddledan: Oracle is expert in extracting large sums of money from customers
[18:21] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, they're trying hard to be that good
[18:22] <intrbiz> thankfully Oracle hasn't killed Java yet, but that would be a pretty stupid move for them
[18:22] <intrbiz> HP suffered from hiring the worlds dumbest CEO
[18:22] <diddledan> I wonder what elop is going to kill next, ready for an acquisition by a competitor
[18:22] <diddledan> macromedia. check. nokia. check.
[18:22] <daftykins> maybe he works for the mafia,
[18:23] <daftykins> :D
[18:23] <intrbiz> diddledan: I was hoping on MS
[18:23] <daftykins> move in, shutdown the company
[18:23] <zmoylan-pi> elop isn't dumb, he's the best trojan horse since the original
[18:23] <diddledan> daftykins, that seems to be his game plan
[18:24] <intrbiz> It was leo apotheker I was eluding to
[18:25] <diddledan> intrbiz, aye
[18:25] <intrbiz> he managed to drop HP's stock 40% and still got a £7m pay off
[19:20] <diddledan> http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/dlink-ac-router-590x330.jpg
[19:20] <diddledan> erm
[19:20] <diddledan> that's a router and then some
[19:20] <diddledan> I wonder if all those pointy things actually do anything
[19:21] <diddledan> found via: http://www.geek.com/chips/d-links-new-routers-look-like-theyre-built-for-the-imperial-guard-1612782/
[19:21] <daftykins> yeah, wouldn't touch D-Link though
[19:21] <daftykins> you should see the Netgear 'Nighthawk' too ;)
[19:24] <mapp> free yens tonight
[19:24] <mapp> from N17 Tottenham should win easily
[19:24] <mapp> ;]
[19:27] <daftykins> as in the Japanese currency?
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> you could make that router look like an alien facehugger so easily :-)
[19:30] <daftykins> XD
[19:31] <mapp> yes
[19:31] <mapp> watching poker night now
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> maybe popping up when a guest connects for first time beside comfy chair... :-D
[19:31] <mapp> does anyone here use twitter much? got a few qs i dont use it much
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> i use it @angryearthling
[19:34] <diddledan> ok, lets see if that works better - I've fished-out some clogged dust between the cpu fan and the heatsink on my desktop - it's now about 10C cooler at 40C under a bit of load
[19:35] <diddledan> that's about 20% load - so one core running full I guess
[19:35] <diddledan> hmm, more like 2 cores running full, as it's an 8ish core cpu
[19:35] <diddledan> it's weird - intel do hyperthread to double the core count, whereas the bulldozer amd was/is a suite of full cores with each pair linked to a single ALU
[19:36] <diddledan> so arithmatic can be a bottleneck
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> intel was always bad at maths :-P
[19:37] <diddledan> it's an amd :-p
[19:40] <zmoylan-pi> my statement still stands... :-)
[19:46] <diddledan> aah, I'm re-reading the wiki page about the architechture - it's not so much the ALU but specifically the floating-point arithmetic that is shared between x86 cores
[19:47] <diddledan> so each pair of integer cores (the standard x86 bit) has a single floating point accelerator
[19:47] <diddledan> what used to be called an 8087 back in the day
[19:47] <diddledan> (I think)
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> i remember the one time we added a maths co pro to a computer for an accountant to get his excel going faster... took my boss 4 attempts and 3 burnt out co pros as there was no marking as to the orientation visible in natural light to indicate pin 0
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> would it have been so hard to make the socket only fit one way? :-)
[19:53] <druid_> hi
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> hello
[19:54] <druid_> what is a good irc chatroom or server to goto in order to learn how to use irc?
[19:54] <zmoylan-pi> freenode is a grand server to hang out on irc.  lots of channels covering different subjects
[19:55] <druid_> thankyou
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> just hang out in any chatroom your interested in and you'll see the etiquette in use
[19:55] <druid_> im new to irc (ive been under a rock lol)
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> *you're
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> well... many of the irc folk exist under rocks :-P
[19:55] <zmoylan-pi> not fans of natural light :-)
[19:55] <druid_> haha
[19:56] <druid_> sounds like ive been missing out on my community!
[19:56] <daftykins> ^
[19:56]  * diddledan hisses at the sun
[19:56] <daftykins> druid_: not hugely ;) IRC has the best and worst in one can
[19:56] <druid_> our?
[19:56]  * zmoylan-pi sneaks up on cats in the dark...
[19:57] <daftykins> if that's my cat, i guarantee you'll come off worse
[19:57] <druid_> yeah i understand there are always dodgy apples in every crop
[19:57] <druid_> lol
[19:57] <druid_> lol @daftykins
[19:59] <zmoylan-pi> ah mobile connections...
[20:00] <diddledan> druid_, one tip for IRC is most client programs will automatically complete a username of someone in the channel when you press the tab key - e.g. to complete mine, type something like "did" and then tab
[20:00] <diddledan> bah
[20:00] <diddledan> and there was me being uncharactaristically helpful, too!
[20:00] <zmoylan-pi> at least lasted in the channel long enough to answer...
[20:03] <daftykins> huzzah, just glued the wallpaper back on the wall that my cat sliced off
[20:03] <daftykins> quality classroom style pritt stick wins ;)
[20:04] <diddledan> lol
[20:05] <daftykins> which was in my chewits pencil case i've had since the mid 90s
[20:05] <daftykins> *whistle*
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> aren't you just refreshing the scratching post the cat has designated? :-)
[20:07] <daftykins> nah basically this happened, but with wallpaper slicing - (check your speakers, she's loud) https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mlterh6uuvnjk6/VID_20141216_162210.mp4?dl=0
[20:07] <diddledan> my first cat used parents' sofa and armchairs as scratching posts - by the time he karked it the covering on each corner had been all but destroyed
[20:08] <daftykins> heh you can actually see her jaw go there
[20:09] <diddledan> aww, she no likely
[20:09] <diddledan> likey**
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> ours worked out how to open doors and windows to get at the trespassers
[20:09] <diddledan> no likey, no lightey
[20:10] <diddledan> parents don't own a cat anymore, but random neighbourhood ones have worked out how to open their obsolete catflap even though it's locked
[20:11] <diddledan> hint, it's only locked in one direction.
[20:11] <daftykins> lol, nice
[20:11] <daftykins> the flaw with my omnidirectional flap came when i saw my cat batting it to threaten a cat outside
[20:11] <daftykins> = making it swing outward
[20:11] <diddledan> so now dad has placed a nice huge lump of wood against the door :-)
[20:11] <diddledan> lol
[20:12] <diddledan> our second cat did that to signal that he wanted the door opened to let him in
[20:12] <mapp> m question was re twitter how do you keep up with notifications say i followed some podcasts on twitter how would i know when they tweet about a new ep rather than manually checking their twitter..i know notifications would show it..but it shows EVERY notification for people you follow
[20:13] <diddledan> he never worked out that he could come and go as he pleased
[20:13] <diddledan> cat flap? no, it's a door knocker
[20:13] <daftykins> :D
[20:13] <mapp> and like is there no way to just have alerts/popups like with email so say ubuntu uk podcast tweets id get an alert?
[20:13] <daftykins> my cat only learnt to come in mine when she got hungry, when i was laid up in the hospital
[20:13] <Myrtti> did you guys watch the Horizon Cat thing?
[20:13] <Myrtti> three episodes.
[20:14] <daftykins> err
[20:14] <diddledan> nope
[20:14] <daftykins> tracking around the little town, etc?
[20:14] <diddledan> don't even know what it is
[20:14] <daftykins> Horizon the BBC doc
[20:14] <Myrtti> daftykins: yeah, they made three new episodes
[20:14] <diddledan> yah, I got the horizon reference, but I don't know what the cat thing is
[20:14] <daftykins> oh wow
[20:14] <Myrtti> it had a bit about the cat not using the flap because it wanted to know the surroundings around the cat flap before using it
[20:15] <daftykins> is anyone still using get_iplayer ? it was broken when i tried it the other day (latest site version and packaged version)
[20:15] <diddledan> :-(
[20:16] <mapp> so noone can answer my q hmpf
[20:16] <daftykins> maybe there's a twitter channel, mapp
[20:17] <zmoylan-pi> oh, twitter notifications on specific tweets... interesting... never looked...
[20:17] <diddledan> I don't know if it's possible
[20:18] <diddledan> twitter tends to be "flood them with all the things"
[20:18] <diddledan> facebook is similar in that respect
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> you could probably script ttytter to send an email when it saw a tweet...
[20:18] <zmoylan-pi> but then it would need to be running 24x7
[20:19] <zmoylan-pi> the default clients are lacking and twitter hasn't helped by trying to kill them off
[20:20] <diddledan> tweetdeck was great when it did facebok alongside twitter in the same thing - now it's twitter-only because the twit bought them out
[20:20] <zmoylan-pi> http://sarahmarshall.io/post/97038393468/how-to-get-an-email-alert-every-time-a-particular
[20:21] <diddledan> I don't like hootsuite because they insist you use their own link shortener
[20:21] <Myrtti> Hairy Dieters curry ♥
[20:23] <zmoylan-pi> if twitter hadn't of removed the functionality i suspect facebook would have killed it off instead.  wouldn't want a dual client in the hands of their competition
[20:25] <diddledan> twitter didn't need to buy them tho
[20:25] <zmoylan-pi> twitter has bought a few clients to kill them.  they want full control of your access to twitter :-(
[20:25] <diddledan> that was my point - they bought it specifically to remove the facebook and ensure everyone stays on twitter
[21:06] <mapp> hm
[21:06] <mapp> got some new green tea
[21:06] <mapp> salted caramel O_o
[21:06] <mapp> never seen it before
[21:12] <diddledan> hmm, computer has died in a new way now
[21:13] <daftykins> diddledan: keeping you on your toes!
[21:13] <diddledan> it's background disappeared and chrome hung and opening a folder off the desktop doesn't. (it's windows 10, so I guess I asked for it)
[21:14] <diddledan> oh, maybe chrome isn't hung
[21:15] <diddledan> alt+ctrl+del and taskmanager allowed me to restart explorer.exe
[21:16] <daftykins> alt first!? what foreign talk is this :>
[21:16] <diddledan> it's talk from amstrad pc1512 days
[21:19] <mapp> windows 10 eh..cool
[21:19] <mapp> i was thinkinf of trying it in a vm
[21:20] <daftykins> just think of 8 with a funny start menu, not even worth installing to see really ;)
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> in honour of using an amstrad try gem instead :-)
[21:20] <diddledan> >.<
[21:21] <diddledan> the version of gem we got with ours was the crippled later version after someone sued the author to get them to remove resizable windows
[21:21]  * zmoylan-pi remembers that debacle
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> same thing happened to windows 1.0 iirc
[21:22] <mapp> why not use it on a vm diddledan
[21:22] <diddledan> aah, it was apple who sued
[21:22] <mapp> hmm daftykins  thought 10 has old start menu back
[21:22] <diddledan> http://toastytech.com/guis/guitimeline2.html
[21:22]  * zmoylan-pi learned spreadsheets on vp planner which was a copy of lotus 123 that was sued out of existence by lotus
[21:22] <daftykins> mapp: yeah, so 8 with a funny start menu :)
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> 10 has a menu, just not the menu i think
[21:24] <daftykins> http://www.hardwareluxx.de/images/stories/galleries/reviews/Microsoft_Windows_10_Preview/Windows_10_Preview_4.jpg
[21:24] <daftykins> menu + silly tiles
[21:24] <shauno> isn't that the one where a wild windows8 appeared, and they caught it in win7's start button?
[21:24] <zmoylan-pi> burn it with fire!!
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> they'll have no truck with the 'give customers what they want' schpiel
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> but they finally made an uglier ui than default xp angry fruit salad
[21:27] <daftykins> i'd have to disagree there, fisher price XP was way worse than this
[21:27] <daftykins> to my eye
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> but once you switched to windows classic sanity was inched towards... :-)
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> then just install tweakui and remove a lot of the silliness...
[21:29] <daftykins> yip, i ran 7 with classic on my laptop too, but it disabled the compositing and left video playback to tear :(
[21:30] <diddledan> who remembers that. microsoft shoehorning html and javascript everywhere in windows98 :-p
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> having a massive desktop image in memory at a time when systems were shipped with xp in 128mb ram...
[21:30] <diddledan> "active folder views"
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> active desktop...
[21:30] <diddledan> and the active destkop, yeah
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> like that was never going to be a security problem...
[21:30] <daftykins> i don't recall XP shipping on boxes with 128MB O_O
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> they did
[21:31] <daftykins> eww
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> i set up dozens...
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> slowly...
[21:31] <daftykins> :D
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> very slowly...
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> i think minimum was 64mb but you couldn't even run wordpad in that
[21:31] <diddledan> my first windows pc came with 32MB of ram (windows 95)
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> my first windows pc was 4mb, with win 3.1
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> the first version of windows i used was windows 286.
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> it was a runtime of windows shipped with word 1.0 to run on dos computers
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> it was only last year i saw a customer who had gotten xp systems with 256mb of ram upgraded to new systems.  the only app they used was browser.
[21:40] <daftykins> >_<
[21:40] <daftykins> meanwhile finance institutions over here are already throwing out i3's
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> as patches needed more ram and av became mandatory they moved from ie to opera as it did the job with less
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> it's a travel agents. 6 pcs were running xp on 256mb slowly but no hardware problems
[21:41] <zmoylan-pi> if it ain't broken
[21:41] <daftykins> oh totally
[21:41] <daftykins> i'm saying it sickens me, their refreshes
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> those 6 systems could be still running linux or even xp with a stick of extra ram
[21:42] <diddledan> erm. no. anything running xp should be killed
[21:42] <daftykins> they could buy a single beefy box and make dumb terminals of them
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> they were not infected. i saw to that
[21:43] <diddledan> xp means they can't run anything newer than IE8
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> ::waves hand:: this is not the botnet you were looking for
[21:43] <shauno> I'm surprised you didn't try to replace them with pies :)
[21:43] <zmoylan-pi> they used opera for browser
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> as ie became flakier and flakier
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> opera merely had to be less flakier than ie and use less ram :-)
[21:44] <daftykins> shauno: lol +1
[21:44] <diddledan> I believe even using opera they'd be stuck with ssl problems
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> now they would yes. but i'd have found a way if necessary if they were still there
[21:45] <intrbiz> only if using schannel for the SSL, chrome moved to NSS IIRC
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> trying to remember how the travel agent software made a secure connection...
[21:45] <intrbiz> and hoping it did....
[21:45] <diddledan> intrbiz, yeah, I'm just reading that
[21:45] <zmoylan-pi> trying to remember _if_... :-)
[21:46] <intrbiz> Chrome uses the Windows trust store however, FF uses it's own trust store
[21:51] <intrbiz> I dispait when I have to use sever 2012, the few times that I must
[21:51] <intrbiz> no idea what MS was thinking with that
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: why? It's Unixy-er than ever ;)
[21:53] <intrbiz> MartijnVdS: the UI, it's a PITA to use, especially in a VM console / RDP window
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> intrbiz: I don't have problems with it
[22:10] <MartijnVdS> xfreerdp.. some plugin to share a directory on my Ubuntu machine as a disk on the server.. and done
[22:43] <mapp> hm
[22:44] <mapp> that poker night film was ok


[00:00] <phillw> I'd be much more use checking the desktop installer, as that's where we know there were issues... but, get the alternates out of the way 1st as they are our "hey, it works" series :P
[00:27] <phillw> Ahh, Jeff Wayne; War of the Worlds... Calming on the ears :D
[00:30] <phillw> thanks que-bot... Let me just grab the only person I know to get it tested :P
[03:57] <phillw> hi, anyone on ubiquity partitioning crashing bug watch?
[04:12] <phillw> bug 1240794
[05:23] <sonu> hi, little help with info: what is "Hardware profile? URL to the hardware profile." while reporting test result?
[05:56] <Noskcaj> sonu, It helps with diagnosing hardware specific issues. If possible, have one
[06:14] <sonu> Noskcaj, agree. But how to create one?
[06:14] <Noskcaj> I think phill made a guide, one sec
[06:16] <Noskcaj> sonu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware should work
[06:16] <Noskcaj> If you use a VM, just add a comment saying something like "Tested on Vbox 4.2"
[06:17] <sonu> Noskcaj: wonderful! thanks!
[06:17] <Noskcaj> no problem, it's great to get more testers
[06:49] <DanChapman> morning all
[06:49] <elfy> morning DanChapman
[06:50] <DanChapman> morning elfy, how are you?
[06:52] <elfy> ok thanks - be glad when it's Friday and Smaug is released and I can forget about it for a day
[06:53] <DanChapman> :-)
[06:59] <pitti> everyone feeling saucy today? :-)
[07:04] <elfy> definitely smaug here :p
[07:04]  * DanChapman is feeling extra saucy! :-)
[07:05] <elfy> and I think we should keep that to another channel - smartboyhw or nosckaj might be about :P
[07:05] <DanChapman> hehe ;-)
[08:02] <om26er> ubuntu-qa Oy! please can anyone confirm bug 1240841 ?
[08:45] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Guys, we have the Xubuntu i386 desktop and Lubuntu amd64+mac and ppc images needing testing:)
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all Happy release day
[10:02] <jibel> Good morning davmor2 !
[11:06] <pitti> hm, adb doesn't want to come up for me today (still worked yesterday, and tried rebooting)
[11:06] <pitti> can I use phablet-flash from fastboot?
[11:11] <jibel> pitti, you can boot to recovery and use phablet-flash for there if you specific -d <device name>
[11:20] <pitti> jibel: thanks, finally got recovery to start; trying now
[11:25] <pitti> jibel: hm, still nothing in "adb devices" for recovery; I'm beginning to think it's not my phone but my workstation..
[11:26] <pitti> it's in lsusb, but adb doesn't see it
[11:26] <jibel> pitti, did you try to disconnect/reconnect the usb cable? last thing is to restart the desktop
[11:27] <jibel> s/desktop/workstation
[11:27] <pitti> jibel: yes, I rebooted phone, dis/reconnected cable
[11:27] <pitti> and killed/restarted adb
[11:27] <pitti> (daemon on desktop)
[11:27] <pitti> so I guess I'll need to reboot once I'm done with my VM
[11:27] <jibel> pitti, as user or root?
[11:27] <pitti> jibel: I never started it as user, has worked fine so far
[11:28] <pitti> jibel: indeed, works as root; wth?
[11:28] <jibel> pitti, I've a machine that I broke but didn't find how, and I can only start adb as root to make it work
[11:29] <pitti> jibel: argh, c'était moi, sorry
[11:29] <pitti> I did "sudo stop udev" earlier for testing my bug fix..
[11:30] <pitti> *brown paperbag*
[12:23] <sonu> quit
[12:41] <pitti> fginther: just logged into the otto test box; last saucy version is from Oct 1, isn't that a tad old for testing?
[12:43] <pitti> fginther: anyway, I'm afraid I can't debug the (supposed) at_console failure remotely, I'd actually need to be "in" the running session
[12:43] <sergiusens> pitti, perhaps you can polish the udev rule there for adb
[12:43] <pitti> sergiusens: what? where?
[12:43] <pitti> sergiusens: this is about the saucy/desktop autopilot tests, not the ones on the phone
[12:43] <sergiusens> pitti, would be great i you could take a look; dpkg -L android-tools-adb
[12:44] <sergiusens> pitti, I was referring to what you and jibel were talking about above :-)
[12:44] <pitti> sergiusens: oh; yeah, I had udev stopped still
[12:44] <sergiusens> pitti, oh sorry, didn't read all of it :-)
[12:44] <pitti> sergiusens: looks quite alright to me
[12:45] <sergiusens> great
[12:54] <fginther> pitti, having an older snapshot helps to expose dependency issues (although it's not a perfect solution)
[12:54] <pitti> fginther: oh, you mean versioned dependencies
[12:54] <pitti> fginther: I see
[12:54] <pitti> fginther: I answered to your otto email
[12:55] <pitti> fginther: so if I can abuse the CI system to do a few debugging steps in my proposed branch, see what the otto output is, and revert, that's ok for me (but it'd waste the runs on mako/maguro)
[12:57] <fginther> pitti, that should be ok. there isn't much going on right now (in fact it's very quiet on jenkins)
[12:58] <fginther> pitti, if you wanted to just isolate your experiments to otto I can help with that
[12:59] <fginther> pitti, you would just need to push to a branch without a merge proposal and trigger the generic-mediumtests-saucy job manually
[12:59] <pitti> fginther: mako/maguro fail as well, but for different reasons (mostly maliit and mir crashes), so starting debugging just for otto would be good
[12:59] <pitti> fginther: oh, cool; how would I do that?
[13:00] <fginther> pitti, ok, first create an account on http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/ and I'll enable job building access
[13:01] <pitti> fginther: done, "pitti"
[13:03] <fginther> pitti, when you go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-saucy/, you should now see a build link
[13:04] <fginther> pitti, landing_candidate is your lp branch, target_branch is the branch to merge into (i.e. lp:dialer-app) and test_suite is the name of the autopilot suite, "dialer_app" in this case.
[13:05] <fginther> pitti, every other parameter can be left blank for dialer-app
[13:05] <pitti> fginther: build link -> the "Build now" on the left top menu?
[13:05] <fginther> pitti, yes
[13:05] <pitti> fginther: ah, splendid
[13:05] <pitti> fginther: thanks!
[13:29] <pitti> fginther: how do you specify a branch? lp:~... or http://bazaar... or https://code... etc?
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Good job everybody for testing 13.10!
[13:31] <fginther> pitti, lp:~pitti... works
[13:46] <pitti> fginther: do I need to specify anything in addition after all? http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/1254/
[13:46] <pitti> /var/local/autopilot/autopilot.log: autopilot run: error: too few arguments
[13:46] <pitti> fginther: like "messaging_app" (test name)
[13:47] <fginther> pitti, yes, you do need the test_suite == messaging_app
[13:47] <pitti> fginther: ah sorry; you already said so, missed that
[13:47] <fginther> you can always look at the jenkins parameters used by an automated build
[14:07] <pitti> fginther: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-testrunner-otto-saucy/1255/console
[14:07] <pitti> fginther: ok, what I suspected: there is no logind session, i. e. none of the "local foreground" functionality by d-bus or policykit will work
[14:08] <pitti> fginther: curious that this didn't already come up, as these are rather common (device access, suspend, bluetooth, whatnot)
[14:08] <pitti> fginther: is that session spawned by lightdm autologin? or something manual?
[14:09] <fginther> pitti, the tests are launched via an upstart job
[14:10] <melodie> hi
[14:10] <pitti> fginther: ah, that would do it
[14:10] <pitti> fginther: I mean, explain why they aren't attached to a console
[14:10] <melodie> I would like to have a tip/information about discussions in the blueprint sections
[14:10] <melodie> can someone help me?
[14:10] <melodie> my question is : is it ok to post long texts in that section?
[14:12] <fginther> pitti, it's an xdg autostart job, I would have that that would have access to most of the user session
[14:12] <pitti> melodie: if you have more than two or three paragraphs, consider writing a wiki page and linking it in the blueprint, as that's much easier for sectioning, formatting, and reading
[14:12] <fginther> would have *thought*
[14:12] <pitti> fginther: oh; those would, but I mean how is that session itself started? apparently not through lightdm?
[14:13] <pitti> (or any dm really)
[14:13]  * fginther grammer on IRC gets badder over time
[14:13] <pitti> *chuckle*
[14:14] <pitti> fginther: I thought you meant "the whole unity session is started from a (system) upstart job"
[14:15] <fginther> pitti, I thought unity was started via auto-login, but I'll admit my ignorance here. This is all based on jibel's work
[14:15] <pitti> fginther: so this is by and large using otto as it is?
[14:15] <fginther> pitti, yes
[14:16] <pitti> fginther: I guess I should try checking what breaks otto on current saucy then (at least on my workstation), and see there
[14:16] <pitti> fginther: thanks, doing that then
[14:16] <melodie> pitti is there a preferred wiki page?
[14:16] <pitti> melodie: if you write one, you should use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecTemplate
[14:17] <fginther> pitti, let me know if you find anything, I'd like to move the jenkins otto machines to saucy eventually
[14:17] <melodie> pitti I can also put it on a forum I run or on a website I run, if needed. Here is the text, can you have a look and tell me what would be best? http://pastebin.fr/29158
[14:17] <pitti> fginther: they currently run on raring?
[14:18] <fginther> pitti, raring is what's installed on the bare metal, the overlay FS is a saucy ISO
[14:19] <pitti> melodie: well, anythign which is comprehensible, explains what you want to do, and is actionable; so whether it's a link to a wiki or a forum doesn't matter that much, but folks generally prefer wiki.u.c. as then other people can make updates etc.
[14:19] <pitti> fginther: *nod*
[14:20] <pitti> bbl, otto testing
[14:23] <melodie> pitti I am not used to the Ubuntu ways when it comes to contributions, so I would like you to tell me if the text I wrote would be ok as is in the wiki side you just pointed to for me?
[14:25] <melodie> pitti I give up the wiki, it has disconnected me: Erreur OpenID : Nonce already used or out of range.
[14:26] <melodie> last time I tried to edit a page in the wiki I was never able to do so
[14:35] <pitti> melodie: hm, no idea about the OpenID thingy; you might have some old cookies around in your browser or something?
[14:36] <pitti> melodie: it's okay for a first start; proper drafting happens after UDS discussions anyway
[14:36] <pitti> jibel (FYI fginther): I found out what's wrong with otto here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6251313/
[14:37] <pitti> jibel: so the first failure is due to that kernel option not being enabled by default, so I just commented out the limit stuff
[14:37] <pitti> jibel: the second is a bug in otto; $RELEASE is indeed not defined anywhere
[14:37] <pitti> jibel: curiously, even after destroying the container, adding that hack (to the checkout) and re-creating the container the phablet-prepare.sh is still the original version (without the export RELEASE)
[14:38] <pitti> jibel: so eventually I added the export RELEASE to /var/lib/lxc/.../phablet-prepare.sh
[14:38]  * pitti files a bug, to track that
[14:39] <pitti> jibel: oh of course, I added it to phablet-prepare, silly me
[14:40] <jibel> pitti, this is defined in a configuration file, but if the configuration file is not found then it's definitely not defined, thanks for finding this
[14:43] <pitti> jibel: filed bug 1241021 with details
[14:44] <pitti> fginther: but the main point of the exercise, that gives me a normal session, with a logind session and all bells and whistles
[14:44] <pitti> fginther: so I guess I now need to locally reproduce how you start a test, i. e. what you throw into the otto config
[14:47] <jibel> pitti, hm, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jibel/otto/phablet/view/head:/lxc.defaults/scripts/phablet-prepare.sh#L27
[14:47] <jibel> pitti, I don't know where the phablet-prepare.sh script comes from
[14:48] <pitti> jibel: ah, different branch
[14:48] <pitti> jibel: lp:otto is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/trunk/files
[14:48] <pitti> jibel: you have a ~jibel branch
[14:49] <pitti> jibel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/trunk/files/head:/lxc.defaults/scripts/ has phablet-prepare
[14:49] <jibel> pitti, yes the phablet stuff has never been merged in trunk
[14:50] <jibel> well partially merged
[14:50] <pitti> jibel: err, it *is* in trunk!?
[14:50] <pitti> jibel: at least lp:otto points to the ~otto-dev one, not the ~jibel one
[14:50] <pitti> fginther: ^ which one do you use in CI?
[14:51] <jibel> pitti, that's something I never had time to merge completely because I've been swamped into phone testing
[14:52] <pitti> jibel: ah, ok; so I guess in the DC we don't run lp:otto, but your branch?
[14:53] <jibel> pitti, yes, and last time I touched it was in August
[14:54] <jibel> pitti, in summary otto for desktop -> everything is in trunk, for phone -> I must merge my work
[14:56] <elopio> good morning.
[14:58] <balloons> Welcome to Ubuntu Quality | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam | Celebrating Saucy's Release!
[14:59]  * pitti ^5s balloons
[14:59] <smartboyhw> balloons, let's celebrate?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> !
[14:59] <balloons> ^^ never give that balloons OP powers your channel :-)
[14:59] <smartboyhw> balloons, I suppose we now can really discuss about classroom sessions:P
[14:59]  * slickymaster throws same champagne all around
[14:59] <balloons> I'm struggling to put together long sentences, but yes, totally
[15:00] <smartboyhw> balloons, how do you want the classroom sessions to be done?
[15:04] <balloons> smartboyhw, well I don't know
[15:05] <smartboyhw> balloons, I'm thinking something simliar to Ubuntu Open Week / Dev week, but I wonder if that is too ambitious
[15:05] <balloons> I'm open to ideas. I'd like to think about trying something new, but if we don't, that's ok too
[15:06] <balloons> I'd like to seperate the content out of the sessions.. So the content can be updated and the session can be more hands on
[15:06] <fginther> pitti, using lp:~otto-dev/otto/trunk
[15:06] <balloons> doing hands on things is interesting on the internet of course
[15:06] <balloons> video, text, both?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> balloons, dunno.
[15:07] <pitti> fginther: ok, thanks; so I now need to know how the tests are auto-started through otto
 melodie: hm, no idea about the OpenID thingy; you might have some old cookies around in your browser or something? // I don't think so. I have met with this before and it happens only in the wiki ubuntu, with my Firefox browser (didn't try other browsers yet)
[15:09] <jibel> pitti, it's an autologin with an autostart
[15:10] <pitti> jibel: hm, then I have no idea why these don't have a logind session :/
[15:11] <jibel> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/testsuite_autopilot-unity/view/head:/target-override/etc/xdg/autostart/autopilot.desktop
[15:12] <pitti> jibel: thanks
[15:12] <jibel> which executes http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~otto-dev/otto/testsuite_autopilot-unity/view/head:/target-override/usr/local/bin/run-autopilot.sh
[15:13] <pitti> jibel: thanks; that all looks fine
[15:15] <balloons> smartboyhw, we can lay out the schedule. There are some other changes I'd like to broach that might make it more interesting. We have the problem of giving training before it can be used by folks.. IE, testing is done largely at the end of the cycle
[15:22] <melodie> pitti thank you, I have been able to finish writing it here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/lubuntu-brainstorming/+spec/zram-config
[15:30] <jibel> pitti, where is the branch you want to test?
[15:30] <pitti> jibel: lp:~pitti/messaging-app/phonesim-tests-debugging
[15:30] <pitti> jibel: I pushed two extra commits there to debug why there is no logind session; running another CI test now
[15:31]  * pitti kicks off http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-saucy-amd64/966/
[15:31] <pitti> jibel: originally, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/dialer-app/enable-phonesim-tests/+merge/191248
[15:32] <pitti> jibel: I pushed a separate branch for the debugging stuff to kick off CI builds on otto manually, to avoid wasted runs on phones
[15:37] <smartboyhw> balloons, agreed
[15:41] <pitti> need to leave for today, will continue with this tomorrow (although I don't have a great idea now); current build shoudl show me syslog, auth.log and so on
[19:03] <melodie> bbl
[19:08] <thomi> morning
[19:10] <cgoldberg> morning thomi
[19:48] <elopio> robotfuel: I don't really understand bug #1231939
[19:48] <elopio> maybe I'm not doing it fast enough. But I don't understand where and why the text should be disabled.
[19:48] <robotfuel> elopio: the text is disabled a disabled grey instead of black
[19:49] <robotfuel> elopio: the text should not be disabled
[19:49] <elopio> robotfuel: can you make a screenshot? I seee the selected text always black.
[19:50] <robotfuel> elopio: maybe it was fixed with #1231936? I'll reproduce now
[19:51] <elopio> robotfuel: I'm using image 100.
[19:51] <robotfuel> elopio: I just tried it on my desktop and it's there in the examples on the option selector
[19:53] <elopio> robotfuel: I might not be doing it right, but on the gallery I also see the text black.
[19:58] <robotfuel> elopio: http://imgur.com/a/Du1ON
[19:59] <elopio> robotfuel: got it!
[19:59] <robotfuel> maybe it's the animation hasn't finished and the level remains the same
[19:59] <elopio> I was using the installed package, not from trunk.
[19:59] <elopio> must be a recent regression.
[20:00] <robotfuel> elopio: the level of grey/black is depending on how quickly I click the item in the combobox/list
[20:03] <robotfuel> I've updated the bug
[20:03] <elopio> robotfuel: thanks. I think I'm done with your bugs. Let me know if I missed something.
[20:03] <elopio> we should be meeting weekly with the SDK team to have a voice on the priority of these bugs.
[20:04]  * elopio walks with the dog.
[20:05] <robotfuel> elopio: it looks like you got them all.
[20:05] <robotfuel> elopio: thanks!
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, hi
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, I re-flashed my device as I has too many weird things happening
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh..
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, I wanted to ask you what do I need on it after re-flashing to make the click packes stuffu work
[20:20] <balloons> I've got build 100 running now
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, so have I, finally the first official one :P
[20:20] <balloons> I reflashed at one point to transition out of the rw mode with all the edits I had
[20:21] <Letozaf_> balloons, what do I have to install on it to make the click packages install work ?
[20:22] <balloons> http://pastebin.com/rDhysJ2J
[20:22] <balloons> Letozaf_, nothing... you should install nothing on it
[20:22] <balloons> run that script and it should work
[20:22] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will try it now, thanks
[20:25]  * elopio <- lunch
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, :(  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253131/
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, maybe I'm missing something
[20:38] <balloons> rssreader_app
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, do I have to install ubuntu-rssreader-app-autopilot on the device
[20:39] <balloons> hmm
[20:39] <balloons> no
[20:39] <balloons> the module name is ubuntu_rssreader_app
[20:39] <balloons> I blame the script author
[20:39] <balloons> <--
[20:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, :D
[20:39] <balloons> I don't use it
[20:40] <balloons> ahh I see one issue
[20:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, what ?
[20:47] <balloons> the script sucks
[20:47] <balloons> regardless the point is if the click package installed it would find the tests
[20:48] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes I was looking under /home/phablet/autopilot ...
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, well if you got time, otherwise I will be back tomorrow evening or when you can
[20:52] <balloons> i'm playing with it but the script has nothing to do with your issues
[20:52] <balloons> is there a click package in /tmp?
[20:52] <balloons> you can see it installed, so it should run
[20:52] <balloons> simple as that
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, I'v got com.ubuntu.shorts_0.2.120_all.click in /tmp
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's a file
[20:53] <balloons> yep
[20:53] <balloons> and your log shows it installed
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, but it does not run :(
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's owner and group are root while all the other files in /tmp hav phablet as owner and rott
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, sorry root
[20:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, could that be an issue ?
[20:55] <Letozaf_> no owner and group
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will be back tomorrow, going to bed now, it's getting late for me :D
[21:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, best to ask sergio I think
[21:00] <balloons> you installed the click package it should work
[21:00] <balloons> end of story
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok maybe tomorrow I will ask him
[21:01] <balloons> yea, sorry I've really no idea why it doesn't
[21:01] <balloons> but I think I made a better script anyway..
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, doesn't matter, I was curious to see it run on my device that-s all
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, thanks anyway :D
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, going to bed now, good night!
[21:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, night :)
[21:02] <balloons> here's the fixed version: http://pastebin.com/nFcF8RpR
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok I will try this tomorrow, thanks
[21:14] <phillw> balloons: (and any one else) "so is there a do-releases-upgrade log somewhere? the error "an unresolvable problem occurred while calulating the upgrage." is pretty much as useful as just failing without any error." A Question that has just been asked.
[21:16] <balloons> /var/log/dist-upgrade
[21:16] <balloons> phillw, ^^
[21:16] <phillw> balloons: thansk!
[21:21] <jfunk> ping veebers - can you meet now?
[21:22] <veebers> jfunk: sure can
[21:22] <jfunk> cool, see you there
[23:23] <slickymaster> good night all


[01:47] <pleia2> I think I should have taken a nap today
[01:47] <pleia2> anyway, off to meet some people for dinner, will see some of you at the pre-ubucon event that I will arrive fashionably late for
[01:53] <linux-neophyte> Yea, will be there
[01:53] <linux-neophyte> I think. I have some serious alergies so I'm still debating on going or not.
[07:43] <nhaines> pleia2: thanks so much for sending the email to the mailing list tonight!  You're incredible!
[21:34] <linuxuser9000> Yesss found the channel
[21:41] <MarkDude> linuxuser9000, its fun to find I think the old Ubuntu-california does still work tho
[21:42] <linuxuser9000> Oh. I'd love to know what the current IRC channel(s) are/is
[21:42] <linuxuser9000> I forgot to jot it down during the keynote
[21:42] <MarkDude> Hmmm, they killed redirect * Cannot join #Ubuntu-california (Channel is invite only)
[21:42] <linuxuser9000> Aw.
[21:42] <MarkDude>  /join #scale
[21:43] <linuxuser9000> Thanks!
[21:43] <linuxuser9000> I'm going to do that now.
[21:43] <MarkDude> Rock on, and enjoy it
[21:43]  * MarkDude is not there, but loves that event\
[21:44] <linuxuser9000> OoOo
[21:44] <linuxuser9000> It's my first SCALE
[21:45] <linuxuser9000> I want to find out how I can get into the community. I use linux on all my computers, so I think it's about time I learn how to contribute
[21:45] <linuxuser9000> You're missing out, mark shuttleberg was here
[21:45] <linuxuser9000> He's a pretty cool speaker
[22:12] <rww> MarkDude: no they didn't. that's the message you get if you try to join a channel that forwards to a channel you're already in
[22:12] <rww> one of freenode's more confusing idiosyncracies
[22:23] <MarkDude> Lol
[22:23] <MarkDude> Hella makes sense- because I thought it worked on a hella old install I used recently like 8.01
[22:24] <MarkDude> Mark S you say? We go way back. Have a pic of me wearing Beefy Miracle shirt with him
[22:24] <rww> are you doing SCaLE this year?
[22:25] <MarkDude> Mark S and his abillity to inspire new users should not be downplayed, that metric is hard to measure, but without a doubt. Its real
[22:26] <MarkDude> Nope, family stuff. Grandma fell recently. Work stuff, working on stealth project
[22:26] <rww> yeah, me either. work stuff too
[22:26] <rww> start of the semester is not a great time for me to take vacation lol