[00:00] <nacc> psi7: run the last apt-get commands i suggested
[00:00] <nacc> psi7: sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-openchrome; sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core lubuntu-desktop xserver-xorg-video-openchrome-hwe-16.04
[00:04] <psi7> Bashing-om, nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SDs2mBSn8s/
[00:05] <nacc> psi7: add xorg to the install
[00:05] <psi7> at the end?
[00:07] <nacc> psi7: yeah, after xserver-xorg-video-openchrome-hwe-16.04
[00:10] <horus125> hello, anyone know how to rip cd with rhythmbox?
[00:11] <nacc> Bashing-om: i think you can pick it up from here? I need top step away for the evening
[00:11] <psi7> nacc it finished
[00:11] <psyfox> hi all!
[00:12] <horus125> hello
[00:12] <Bashing-om> nacc: Tough shoes to fill. Bu t I give it my best :P
[00:12] <nacc> psi7: ok, i imagine you should be good to reboot, but i'd wait to see what Bashing-om says
[00:13] <psi7> nacc i have another problem when i use reboot or shutdown my system freezes on black screen
[00:13] <Bashing-om> psi7: Befor re-booting .. what shows ' dpkg -l  xserver-xorg-video-openchrome-hwe-16.04
[00:15] <psi7> Bashing-om, nacc https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PFsXYVvxFF/
[00:17] <Bashing-om> psi7: can you boot to grub .. and from there start a TTY  ?
[00:18] <psi7> how do i do that?
[00:19] <psi7> Bashing-om, when i use reboot after i logout from user and i see logo the pc freezes and i need to press manually power off button
[00:20] <Bashing-om> psi7: UN-Good .
[00:20] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | psi7
[00:21] <psi7> Bashing-om, previous https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ydsy46rp7J/
[00:22] <psi7> Bashing-om, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dDjmCtmJG9/
[00:22] <BlackDalek> anyone know how to find out my IP address in debian 9? I want to copy files to a debian machine from ubuntu across lan
[00:22] <BlackDalek> ifconfig doesn't seem to exist on my debian machine
[00:24] <blackflow> BlackDalek: ip from iproute2 replced and deprecated ifconfig
[00:24] <Bashing-om> psi7: Does not look from that log that the driver installed . as we are now at a black screnn .. try and boot to a TTY : http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/how-to-boot-into-linux-command-line .
[00:27] <psi7> Bashing-om, so i reboot and open tty?
[00:28] <BlackDalek> blackflow, thank you
[00:28] <Bashing-om> psi7: Yes, but boot to the grub boot menu - 'e' key for edit mode and edit the linux line .
[00:30] <Bashing-om> psi7: welcome to system administration :)
[00:30] <psi7> Bashing-om, i want to cry
[00:30] <psi7> Bashing-om, if i reboot we will close chat session
[00:31] <mmercer> oh hell.... maybe someone in ubuntu can think of something -- im configuring an sftp server, and of course using classic sftp-internal with chrooting....  now this works fine in most cases, however, because im doing match on group, it prevents users from being able to get shell (which is exactly what I want) -- however, i do have a couple of users that want to use rsync, so in the old days, we would simply
[00:31] <mmercer> create a 'duplicate' user (unique name, same uid/gid), and you could login with that one since login should parse /etc/passwd...
[00:31] <mmercer> ive gotten all of it configured, but when attempting to authenticate, im getting a pam access denied pre-auth, and cannot for the life of me figure out where/why
[00:31] <sonicwind> on my system, in order to use REISUB you need to modify /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf to a value of 1 from 176.
[00:32] <Bashing-om> psi7: HUH ?? where does this black screen play into this now ?
[00:33] <psi7> Bashing-om, i am on my gui right know but when i start to reboot an the end after system logs out i get a black screen and i need to power off manually
[00:34] <Bashing-om> psi7: Have you rebooted since installing the driver ?
[00:34] <psi7> no
[00:34] <blackflow> stochastix: well, I was told in #zfsonlinux it's considered experimental few months ago, and there still are some scary open issues involving native encryption, so I'd wait with that.
[00:34] <psi7> Bashing-om, no because i have this issue
[00:34] <psi7> Bashing-om, even if i use reboot or shutdown at the end i end up on a black screen
[00:35] <Bashing-om> psi7: With the driver install, you should now have a GUI driver .
[00:35] <psi7> Bashing-om, let me reboot then
[00:36] <Bashing-om> psi7: Yes, the driver will not take effect until the reboot .
[00:36] <sonicwind> try typing Esc on that black screen and see if it shows you any details?
[00:36] <Bashing-om> sonicwind: we just got a vidie driver installed :P
[00:36] <Bashing-om> video*
[00:36] <sonicwind> ah ok
[00:46] <IkoIko> comment on Launchpad: seems that 18.04 indeed broke all Nvidia dual laptops.
[00:46] <IkoIko> ubuntu never get it right, never
[00:46] <IkoIko> sad
[00:47] <leftyfb> IkoIko: thanks for the input. Goodbye
[00:47] <IkoIko> meh
[00:48] <IkoIko> construtive criticism is healthy
[00:49] <blackflow> except this ain't constructive.
[00:49] <IkoIko> it was
[00:49] <blackflow> constructive is "oh, shi-! X is broken. here's what should be done to fix X".
[00:50] <blackflow> with no alternative/solution suggestion, it's not constructive criticism.
[00:50] <owl_tech> hello there comunity. greetings from spain. please, any idea about what tools you recomend to create augmented reality in ubuntu? good time for you!
[00:50] <leftyfb> IkoIko: regurgitating some rando comment on a bug as gospel and then making a generalized negative comment about the entire project, all the while posting from a completely different distro is quite the opposite of constructive
[00:50] <IkoIko> simplistic crutructive criticism
[00:50] <Bashing-om> IkoIko: Funny I have never had an issue with nvidia: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia >>  nvidia-driver-390                     390.67-0ubuntu1 .
[01:03] <IkoIko> this is a serious regression in my opin
[01:04] <sarp> Hello, I am having some trouble with my system, and I have asked about it on AskUbuntu as well, but couldn't figure out the solution. Would be glad if anybody have any ideas to try to solve it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047485/asus-g550-screen-goes-black-after-resume-from-suspend-even-though-the-system-is
[01:04] <blackflow> there's always some regression, in some software, for some users/conditions, whenever something changes.  Pareto principle in action.
[01:05] <IkoIko> Pareto principle in action.??
[01:05] <IkoIko> oh never mind i get it
[01:09] <leftyfb> IkoIko: do you need help fixing the problem?
[01:09] <IkoIko> im not sure it can be fixed, im all over lauchpad looking for solutions but theres nothing really working.
[01:10] <leftyfb> IkoIko: do you want help fixing the problem? As in, are you able to login to the machine in question and troubleshoot?
[01:10] <IkoIko> i dont understand your quetion
[01:11] <leftyfb> IkoIko: This is a support channel where we help people with their ubuntu issues. Are you here to ask for help and troubleshoot the issue or not?
[01:12] <IkoIko> apparently this is a fix here, https://github.com/matthieugras/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04 But i dont know how to impliment it.
[01:13] <leftyfb> IkoIko: that link gives step by step instructions. If you don't know how to follow step by step instructions, how do you expect to fix anything?
[01:13] <IkoIko> i have learning disabilities
[01:14] <blackflow> The third paragraph of the README.md being very important to understand.
[01:14] <leftyfb> IkoIko: and yet no problem with "constructive criticism"
[01:14] <IkoIko> *brother*
[01:16] <IkoIko> Naturally, make sure you have git and git clone this repository. I dont know what that means.
[01:17] <leftyfb> IkoIko: the first result on google for "how to clone a git repository" brings up https://services.github.com/on-demand/github-cli/clone-repo-cli
[01:17] <leftyfb> IkoIko: again with step by step instructions
[01:17] <blackflow> IkoIko: The third paragraph of the README.md being very important to understand.
[01:19] <jnpr> hello! i'm having difficulty in connecting to wpa2 enterprise with peap on ubuntu 18.04
[01:19] <jnpr> i can connect to other types of wifi, but this one fails
[01:21] <IkoIko> how do i make a file witht he name cd prime_socket/src
[01:23] <unclefoo> How do I verify that my Ubuntu ISO hasn't been modified in transit?  releases.ubuntu.com isn't available over HTTPS and I don't see where Ubuntu advertises the public key I should use to validate SHA256SUMS.gpg
[01:25] <Goop> I literally had a spider crawling on my screen, and was wondering if it could be malware, if there's a physical spider in the monitor, or if it's something that the aport error thing does, because that was a window that was open.
[01:25] <blackflow> unclefoo: it's a box and link on the download page....  https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu#0
[01:25] <Goop> When I hovered my cursor over it, I couldn't see the spider, so.
[01:25] <Goop> The cursor was white.
[01:29] <unclefoo> blackflow: So I am supposed to use the keys advertised in that tutorial; they aren't just examples?
[01:29] <unclefoo> 0xFBB75451 0xEFE21092
[01:29] <Goop> Sorry, I'm not trying to be a troll.
[01:30] <leftyfb> !ot | Goop
[01:30] <blackflow> unclefoo: read step 4, it explains how you see the key fingerpritns and how you request keys from the server using them
[01:30] <Goop> leftyfb, it's related, I wanted to know if apport displays a spider.
[01:30] <unclefoo> Right, but if the signature has been tampered with then I'll just request the bad guys keys.
[01:30] <leftyfb> Goop: now you're trolling
[01:31] <unclefoo> Unless that key server is only available to Ubuntu devs or something?
[01:31] <leftyfb> unclefoo: if you think someone is messing with your transit to ubuntu.com, then no amount of checking checksums is going to help you
[01:32] <unclefoo> HTTPS would work fine.
[01:32] <unclefoo> And so will gpg signatures, if I know which public key to verify with.
[01:32] <leftyfb> unclefoo: except you just said "releases.ubuntu.com isn't available over HTTPS"
[01:32] <unclefoo> Agreed.
[01:33] <blackflow> unclefoo: you're requesting the keys from keyserver.ubuntu.com. if those fingerprints have been tampered with, so must be the keyserver to serve them, and then all bets are off.
[01:33] <unclefoo> blackflow: If an attacker is serving me a bad ISO and SHA256SUMS through my plaintext HTTP, then the fingerprints are going to be for the bad guys keys.
[01:34] <IkoIko> sudo make install make: *** No rule to make target 'install'.  Stop.
[01:34] <unclefoo> I shouldn't have said "tamper".
[01:35] <blackflow> IkoIko: The third paragraph of the README.md being very important to understand.
[01:36] <IkoIko> what does it start with?
[01:36] <blackflow> IkoIko: "This is not for Ubuntu beginners. If things go wrong, ..."
[01:37] <gogeta> blackflow: ummm
[01:37] <leftyfb> IkoIko: what does the 3rd paragraph start with? You don't know what a paragraph is?
[01:37] <blackflow> unclefoo: well I suppose you're right, without pre-shared keys it's rather a chicken and the egg problem. even https is broken in that regard.
[01:37] <IkoIko> its all messed up
[01:37] <unclefoo> blackflow: We have Certificate Authorities to "solve" the problem with HTTPS.
[01:38] <blackflow> unclefoo: we don't. CAs can be corrupt. CAs are corrupt. CAs are sometimes booted out of trust chains due to that. See: StartCom. See: Comodo breach. See: what-was-that-chinese-one-that-google-dropped. See: Symantec.
[01:38] <unclefoo> Sure so we're going to get DNSSEC and Certificate Transparency.
[01:39] <blackflow> CAs _cannot_ be truested. https is "good enough" to protect against a skiddie down the road, nothing else.
[01:39] <unclefoo> And we also have HPKP.
[01:39] <unclefoo> And I can manually pin keys for non-browser applications.
[01:39] <blackflow> yeah but it's still the chicken and the egg problem.
[01:39] <unclefoo> No?
[01:39] <unclefoo> I see, because I don't have the root cert for the CA?
[01:39] <unclefoo> And I have to trust the browser guys to give it to me?
[01:40] <blackflow> of course. you can also nuke the ca-certificates and be your own CA. the mechanism itself and DH kex is good (enough). it's the CAs that are bad apples.
[01:40] <unclefoo> With key pinning I can just trust a single CA.
[01:40] <blackflow> that's the thing, you have to trust the CA has not given out your cert's private key somewhere
[01:41] <unclefoo> Or like you are saying, prune most of the root certificates from my device.
[01:41] <blackflow> even if you pin it, no guarantee the private key is not compromised.    a bit offtopic here though.
[01:41] <unclefoo> Well, the CA might give out his own private key but he doesn't have mine.
[01:41] <unclefoo> Right.
[01:41] <unclefoo> So more on topic, what do you currently do to verify your Ubuntu download hasn't been modified in-transit?
[01:42] <blackflow> mutliple mirrors.
[01:42] <unclefoo> You download from multiple mirrors, calculate all the checksums, then compare them?
[01:42] <foo> unclefoo: I'm not sure there is room for the two of us in this world (Or at least this channel)
[01:43] <leftyfb> unclefoo: I don't assume someone has gone through the trouble of creating their own fork of ubuntu and are injecting it into my download stream the moment I'm downloading the iso
[01:43] <unclefoo> Well, being the senior...
[01:43] <blackflow> a "solution" to broken CA problem is Moxie Marlinspike's convergency which basically states that instead of one CA, you have a peer network that verifies each other. so, multiple mirrors, over https, is significantly reducing the likelihood of compromise
[01:43] <blackflow> unclefoo: no just check the checksums from multiple mirrors.
[01:43] <blackflow> the ISO itself I donwload once.
[01:44] <unclefoo> blackflow: So I wonder, if there isn't a publicly announced Ubuntu public key how are these mirrors verifying the ISOs they get?
[01:44] <unclefoo> Whatever the mirrors are doing to securely grab the ISO, I should just do the same thing.
[01:44] <foo> unclefoo: I surrender. ;)
[01:45] <unclefoo> leftyfb: What if attacker just leaves his MiTM online waiting for you to download something?
[01:45] <blackflow> unclefoo: or the mirrors are being pushed to, say rsync over ssh or something.
[01:45] <unclefoo> And who says it's targetted only at you, but maybe everyone using your ISP.
[01:45] <unclefoo> blackflow: good point.
[01:45] <wr> need to setup dhcp isc-dhcp-server on ubuntu 16.04 server, what are best links for instructions?
[01:45] <leftyfb> unclefoo: Again, I don't assume such things until I have reason to assume such things
[01:46] <unclefoo> It's well established that bad guys are tampering with plaintext HTTP sessions.
[01:46] <blackflow> unclefoo: I will admit I don't know what they use in the background. at some point you either trust it's not compromised or youre 100% paranoid with absolute zero trust in the software..... or are 100% sure the ISO is correc but you run all that on a system with IME :)       (offtopic tho, so we better move this to #ubuntu-discuss if you want)
[01:46] <leftyfb> wr: sudo apt install isc-dhcp-server # and then read the documentation on isc-dhcp-server
[01:47] <wr> leftyfb, would it be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/isc-dhcp-server ?
[01:47] <leftyfb> unclefoo: show me where this scenario with iso's from ubuntu.com has been established
[01:47] <unclefoo> I see, you don't think someone would specifically tamper with Ubuntu ISOs.
[01:48] <blackflow> gogeta: you wanted to object about something? :)
[01:50] <ahi2> ubuntu 18.04 hexchat disconnects after connecting then reconnects and is okay
[01:52] <IkoIko> what is this? make: *** No rule to make target 'install'.  Stop.
[01:56] <IkoIko> Kinux very hard for me
[01:56] <IkoIko> l
[01:57] <IkoIko> sudo make install is downloading a filre
[01:57] <IkoIko> file
[01:57] <IkoIko> i know its a script, i just dont know exactly how is works
[01:58] <IkoIko> compiling
[01:59] <IkoIko> Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/prime-socket.service → /etc/systemd/system/prime-socket.service.
[01:59] <IkoIko> sudo systemctl start prime-socket.service
[01:59] <IkoIko> make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/dave/prime_socket/src/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04/prime_socket/src'
[02:12] <Raybih> Oneness Pentecostalism (also known as Apostolic or Jesus' Name Pentecostalism) is a movement within the Christian family of churches known as Pentecostalism.
[02:30] <IkoIko> ok, for anyone wondering, following the instrutions on this page got my primus and dedicated GPU running smooth on 18.04.  https://github.com/matthieugras/Prime-Ubuntu-18.04
[02:30] <IkoIko> plus nvidia settings work properly
[02:31] <IkoIko> very sweet
[02:42] <IkoIko> thank you for putting up with ,e
[02:42] <IkoIko> me
[02:43] <mikek> join #loraham
[02:44] <IkoIko> huh?
[02:44] <IkoIko> spam
[03:08] <Lost_Goat> has anyone had any luck running their own email server from an ubuntu server ?
[03:26] <zjhxmjl> hi,guys!who have some experience to install VEGA 56 driver on ubuntu 18.04 server?
[03:54] <uff> hi
[03:54] <uff> Need  to upgrade from 32bit 12.04 lts to 16.04 lts .
[03:54] <uff> Tell method
[03:55] <IkoIko> google it?
[03:56] <Bashing-om> uff: A clean fresh intall of <18.04> .
[03:57] <uff> 16.04
[03:57] <IkoIko> i think his rig may not handle 18.04, mabye why he wants 16.04
[03:58] <uff> software demand
[03:59] <unclefoo> What software?
[03:59] <Bashing-om> IkoIko: I run a very old rig, handles 18.04 xubuntu very well . 18.04 wayland not too shabby .
[03:59] <IkoIko> oh i guees xffce is light
[03:59] <uff> need  to update from live cd , possible while keeing current data (update I mean) ?
[04:00] <uff> keeping
[04:00] <IkoIko> uff https://www.ubuntudoc.com/upgrade-ubuntu-16-04-lts-30-minutes/
[04:00] <IkoIko> i dont know about a live dvd/cd
[04:02] <uff> got a live cd of 16.04 lts 64 bit help if possible ?
[04:03] <IkoIko> fresh install is the only way unless your on the internet
[04:03] <IkoIko> then a network upgrade can be done
[04:04] <uff> on internet right now
[04:04] <uff> obviously
[04:04] <uff> apt get upgrade does nothing
[04:04] <IkoIko> then do a ditribution upgrade
[04:06] <Bashing-om> uff: You are on a 32 bit install .. the only way to convert all those 32 bit libs to 64 bit is a new install .
[04:06] <uff> not even apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:07] <uff> not even from live cd
[04:07] <uff>  ?
[04:07] <IkoIko> sudo apt update /  sudo apt upgrade then  sudo apt dist-upgrade
[04:08] <uff> ??
[04:08] <IkoIko> then
[04:09] <IkoIko> sudo apt install update-manager-core sudo do-release-upgrade
[04:14] <IkoIko> [11:10:04:pm] *** [#ubuntu] Clones: 2 from wilbert_ (wilbert) CtrlF1 whois; ShiftF8 ping
[04:22] <uff> does not give upgrade information
[04:22] <uff> And fronm 12.04 lts to 14.04 lts I think
[05:01] <uff> Help please
[05:04] <lotuspsychje> oO
[05:16] <qwebirc38569> Hello, I am new to Ubuntu but not to linux. I have been attempting to install the nvidia drivers for my gtx-980 (nvidia-390 driver). I installed it by using sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall which seemed to work. However, when I run "lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' " it says that the loaded kernel driver is still nouveau. Anyone have any ideas what I may be doing wrong?
[05:22] <EriC^> qwebirc84940: maybe you need to blacklist the nouveau one
[05:23] <EriC^> qwebirc84940: can you pastebin "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[05:29] <Rembo> i'm using ubuntu 14.04 , this is a part on my script who don't send email, can someone tell me if i'm using the correct syntax? https://hastebin.com/raw/dinehebuxi
[06:54] <mmpmmmpmp> hey, I have to open the folder "- TEST" in a console. How do I do that?
[07:01] <ducasse> mmpmmmpmp: try 'cd -- "- TEST"'
[07:04] <mmpmmmpmp> great, thanks
[07:14] <mmpmmmpmp> and what do I do with the folder "- TESTÖ"?
[07:14] <ducasse> same thing should work
[07:26] <mmpmmmpmp> thanks, I made another mistake
[07:27] <Devtron> If I am running in terminal with no gui, how do i take a screenshot of what is on the monitor atm
[07:31] <ducasse> Devtron: try with a screenshot tool like scrot, and use it like this - 'DISPLAY=:0.0 scrot'
[07:35] <qwebirc96061> Hi guys, i installed ubuntu 18.04 yesterday, andif i log in to a wayland session i can use my monitor with 1080p 60Hz, but on Xorg my monitor only work with 24 Hz, i was wondering if i can fix this somehow, messing with xrandr does not helped.
[07:36] <GarciaRunsLinux> is anyone else finding their libreOffice crashes in Ubuntu 18.04 whenever they try to open pdf docs?
[07:37] <Devtron> ducasse thanks, cant get it to work though, just going to ssh in from a desktop enviroment
[07:39] <ducasse> Devtron: that will probably give you a screenshot of the machine you ssh in from
[07:54] <andre144k> hmm anyone knows how to get open windows from lost vnc-connection back?  when i connect again via ultravnc i dont see open applications like firefox and so on
[07:58] <munzx> hi everybody
[07:59] <munzx> any idea how to install build essentials on ubuntu 18.04
[08:00] <munzx> I need to use "make" to install Redis which requires build essentials that dose not come with ubuntu 18.04
[08:00] <munzx> hmm... sorry for spaming
[08:01] <munzx> but is any body there
[08:01] <munzx> new to IRC
[08:03] <munzx> hello
[08:03] <munzx>  I need to use "make" to install Redis which requires build essentials that dose not come with ubuntu 18.04
[08:04] <munzx> Could anyone help plz?
[08:05] <ducasse> munzx: 'sudo apt install build-essential' should work
[08:36] <CyR4[x]> Hi u all
[08:49] <ppf> sudo apt install redis
[08:51] <Shabbysheik> ppf: wrong terminal window? :p
[08:51] <ppf> Shabbysheik: no
[08:52] <ppf> just a hugely delayed response to munzx
[08:54] <caffeinethePOP> I've created an ubuntu one account, and can't seem to figure out how to share files via the ubuntu one drive... does it need some ssh keys to sync my computer to it?
[08:55] <Shabbysheik> caffeinethePOP: https://www.howtogeek.com/117064/how-to-share-files-online-with-ubuntu-one/
[08:56] <gabriel> hello all. Would like to know if there is any way to install dropbox on ubuntu 18.04 LTS. keep getting permission error while starting and fix from dropbox site is not working. Please?
[08:56] <Drego_UP> Hello, news for 18.04.01?
[08:58] <ducasse> Drego_UP: that is expected on the 26th
[08:59] <Drego_UP> Thanks ducasse, I thought it was today!
[08:59] <caffeinethePOP> Shabbysheik I don't see an ubuntu one icon, nor is it availabe when i search it on the dock. There's no search results for ubuntu one on ubuntu software..
[09:01] <Shabbysheik> caffeinethePOP: have you installed the ubuntuone-client package?
[09:02] <caffeinethePOP> no, I can't find such package, please share link
[09:02] <Shabbysheik> sudo apt install ubuntuone-client
[09:04] <caffeinethePOP> Shabbysheik: sudo apt install ubuntuone-client
[09:04] <caffeinethePOP> oops
[09:04] <caffeinethePOP> wait
[09:04] <caffeinethePOP> Shabbysheik: "E: Unable to locate package ubuntuone-client"
[09:04] <caffeinethePOP> that's what I get
[09:06] <Shabbysheik> caffeinethePOP: are you running 18.04?
[09:07] <confluency> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_One
[09:07] <confluency> "In April 2014, Canonical announced that the cloud storage and synchronization features would be shut down at the end of July 31 of 2014, leaving the sign-on features intact."
[09:07] <caffeinethePOP> yep @shabbysheik
[09:07] <confluency> That article is from 2012. It is no longer relevant.
[09:08] <Shabbysheik> there isn't a client released for that yet.
[09:08] <Shabbysheik> there is a web interface i believe
[09:08] <caffeinethePOP> oh, so I can't share files and stuff
[09:08] <Shabbysheik> yes from web interface
[09:09] <caffeinethePOP> so basically it's worthless, I can't really upload a file to the web interface right..
[09:09] <caffeinethePOP> i.e without a client
[09:09] <confluency> The service *doesn't exist anymore*.
[09:10] <caffeinethePOP> f* it, why tf would they want me to sign-in ... -___-
[09:10] <Shabbysheik> according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_One file service shutdown i n2014
[09:10] <confluency> There hasn't been a client since 2014, because the service was discontinued.
[09:10] <confluency> caffeinethePOP: why would who want you to sign in?
[09:10] <caffeinethePOP> idk, I thought the service existed
[09:11] <confluency> There are still accounts, which I think are used for identification e.g. on Launchpad.
[09:12] <caffeinethePOP> tnx for the tips guys, g2g
[09:18] <rory> Is anyone currently automating the installation of Java on Ubuntu without using the webupd8 ppa?
[09:18] <rory> That PPA is not reliable enough to use in a prodduction build pipeline. Today it is giving 404.
[09:19] <rory> If so please share your commands so I can have some of my day back.
[09:19] <oerheks> rory, known issue, the ppa gives 8u171-1~webupd8~1 and current is jre-8u181-linux-x64.tar
[09:20] <rory> exactly, I want to move away from using this PPA in production
[09:20] <oerheks> contact the maintainer, i know no other java binairy blob ppa
[09:20] <oerheks> but this is just trusty 14.04 ?
[09:20] <rory> contacting the maintainer is not part of an automated build process - I'd like to do this from upstream if possible
[09:20] <rory> it's 16.04
[09:20] <oerheks> if you rely on that java, setup your private ppa?
[09:21] <rory> seems like overkill, if possible I'd like to fetch an official Java binary and extract it
[09:21] <rory> I can do this fine, just was wondering if anyone had a scriptt already.
[09:30] <oerheks> rory, something like this, incl cookie jandling https://gist.github.com/n0ts/40dd9bd45578556f93e7
[09:30] <oerheks> c/handling to accept license
[09:30] <GarciaRunsLinux> It seems I got buried in the flood
[09:31] <GarciaRunsLinux> Anyone else finding that their libreoffice can't open pdf files in ubuntu 18.04?
[09:32] <rory> amazing thanks oerheks - exactly what I was hoping for but couldn't find in Google
[09:32] <oerheks> rory, i found some more, but this is the only one with cookie handler
[09:33] <oerheks> have fun :-)
[09:35] <rory> that combined with this will fix my issue https://askubuntu.com/questions/712399/installing-java-offline
[10:13] <bef848f> Which Ubuntu flavor would perform the best on an old PC with 1GB ram and some crappy 1 core processor from the medieval times? It's currently running on Windows XP and it sucks so much. I'd prefer XUbuntu, but not sure if it isn't too heavy if XP is too much
[10:14] <Tin_man> puppy linux, bef848f
[10:15] <Tin_man> maybe mint xfce
[10:16] <bef848f> Is mint xfce any different from XUbuntu in terms of performance?
[10:17] <Tin_man> I would say it's somewhat lighter, but been a long time, so hard to remember..
[10:18] <Shabbysheik> No. LXDE might run better than xfce though. You could try Lubuntu
[10:18] <Tin_man> i ran mint for several years on old xp 1gb computers, ran fine.
[10:19] <Tin_man> i might be to big now days, haven't followed the specs, so you'd have to read up.
[10:19] <bef848f> Never run LXDE, is it customizabvle at least half as good as xfce?
[10:20] <Tin_man> ive not had any experience with LXDE
[10:24] <bef848f> Looking at r/unixporn LXDE can be made somewhat pretty
[10:24] <bef848f> I'll try it, thanks
[10:27] <gabriel> hello all. Would like to know if there is any way to install dropbox on ubuntu 18.04 LTS. keep getting permission error while starting and fix from dropbox site is not working. Please?
[10:39] <w0rp> Does anyone know which address is most appropriate for requesting that people fix an open bug with an Ubuntu package?
[10:40] <w0rp> There's an issue with the Vim version in Bionic that can be fixed by updating Vim to a more recent patch version.
[10:40] <JimBuntu> gabriel, You may want to pastebin or post an image of the error.
[10:41] <gabriel> JimBuntu, the error is as followes:
[10:41] <gabriel> Couldn't start Dropbox.
[10:41] <gabriel> This is usually because of a permissions error. Storing your home folder on a network share can also cause an error.
[10:46] <JimBuntu> gabriel, I don't use 18.04, but I may be able to help. You may want to try starting dropbox from the command line, so you can hopefully see more error information.
[10:59] <oerheks> if this is dropbox on wayland, with the nautilus-dropbox plugin, i understand
[11:19] <Whiskey> Hi, i have installed Ubuntu Server ARM on a Resp Pi 3 and then installed Mate Desktop but the screen resolution is wrong, and i can´t change it under display so i think that the display driver for the Rspi is missing, but i don´t find how to install it
[11:20] <ppf> Whiskey: can you paste the output of xrandr
[11:22] <Whiskey> ok and how do i use that
[11:22] <Whiskey> Im suck at this
[11:23] <Whiskey> can you use it in terminal ?
[11:23] <ppf> yes
[11:23] <Whiskey> Can't open display
[11:23] <Whiskey> but thats SSH from my desktop
[11:23] <ppf> DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
[11:24] <Whiskey> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCan't open display :0
[11:25] <oerheks> so ssh limits your view ??
[11:26] <Whiskey> I got this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KDgpq7vc8y/
[11:27] <Whiskey> If i install ubuntu mate prepacked or any other prepacked linux for Resp the display works fine
[11:27] <Whiskey> So the driver has to be missing
[11:27] <Whiskey> its the only logical answer
[11:28] <ppf> why don't you install that then??
[11:28] <Whiskey> Why its 16.04.xx its quite old
[11:29] <ppf> Whiskey: what's the native resolution of the display
[11:29] <Whiskey> HD
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:30] <ppf> Whiskey: so 1080p?
[11:30] <xjkx> I have 18.04, using two monitors, it's all configured as mirror each other. But GDM (I guess gnome-gdm now? I'm running the default)  doesn't realize the configuration I did inside the system, so it only gets normal after I login
[11:30] <Whiskey> yeh
[11:31] <Whiskey> 1920x1080
[11:36] <ppf> Whiskey: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227876/how-to-set-custom-resolution-using-xrandr-when-the-resolution-is-not-available-i
[11:41] <gdev> hey chanserv
[11:42] <Whiskey> that is not working
[11:42] <Whiskey> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pDdWPThTss/
[11:44] <hans_> what is the bionic equivalent of http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/initrd.gz    ?
[11:44] <hans_> s/what/where
[11:45] <hans_> err, that is the 16.04 version, where is the 18.04 equivalent?
[11:47] <hans_> i think i found it ^^  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[11:48] <hans_> ah no
[11:48] <hans_> here, i think* http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/amd64/
[12:05] <TheWild> hello
[12:05] <TheWild> having a program (e.g. cmake), how I can get what package it has been installed from?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> usually you can find the package and associated files and dependencies in your package manager
[12:12] <vlt> TheWild: dpkg -S /path/to/file
[12:14] <vlt> TheWild: or `dpkg -S $(which cmake)`
[12:16] <hans_> update-grub doesn't see/add the /boot/ipxe.lkrn kernel to the boot options
[12:16] <hans_> erm, grub boot options
[12:17] <hans_> oh, wrong channel, sorry
[12:19] <CarlFK> how do I get the mac for eth0?  something like: ip link eth0  (but that errors..)
[12:20] <TheWild> works, thanks vlt
[12:20] <amadeobee> what is a good ubuntu alternative to google earth?
[12:21] <vlt> CarlFK: What error?
[12:22] <leftyfb> amadeobee: https://www.google.com/earth/download/gep/agree.html
[12:22] <leftyfb> there isn't an alternative
[12:22] <CarlFK> vlt: Command "eth0" is unknown, try "ip link help".
[12:22] <vlt> CarlFK: And have you tried?
[12:22] <CarlFK> yes.
[12:25] <amadeobee> @leftyfb: thanks!
[12:25] <amadeobee> leftyfb; thanks!
[12:25] <amadeobee> leftyfb: thanks!
[12:26] <amadeobee> :/ not sure how to tag you in the message...
[12:26] <leftyfb> amadeobee: we get it
[12:26] <leftyfb> you're welcome
[12:26] <amadeobee> lol thanks
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> !tab | amadeobee
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> !bug | w0rp start here
[12:39] <rafaelrcenteio> Hi, I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 on Wayland. It's working great, except that my mouse scroll is behaving abnormally. When I try to scroll down, it sometimes scrolls up and vice-versa. I appreciate any help.
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: ah, do you have natural scrolling enabled?
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: check at your mouse settings to enable/disable this option
[12:40] <rafaelrcenteio> lotuspsychje: Thanks for the reply. I will check.
[12:41] <rafaelrcenteio> lotuspsychje: No, I don't have natural scrolling enabled.
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: try disable and check again?
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: i mean toggle on/off to see
[12:43] <rafaelrcenteio> lotuspsychje: same thing. Just to make sure If I expressed myself correctly. What happens is, when I'm scrolling down continually, it goes down, down, and suddenly, goes up, and then goes down again, etc.
[12:43] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: ah thats something else..does it do that by itself?
[12:44] <blackflow> rafaelrcenteio: what does that?
[12:44] <rafaelrcenteio> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure what you mean. That behaviour happens when I'm trying to scroll.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: ok, have you tested this in xorg, to make sure its really wayland?
[12:45] <rafaelrcenteio> Yes. Actually, before on 17.10, this behaviour happened only on xorg. Now it happens both on xorg and Wayland.
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: ok and what kind of graphics card do you have on wich driver version?
[12:46] <blackflow> rafaelrcenteio: what are you scrolling that behaves like you describe?
[12:47] <rafaelrcenteio> lspci | grep vga -> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 (rev 06)
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: can you give details to blackflow, aka browser? program?
[12:49] <rafaelrcenteio> blackflow: Picture someone simply scrolling down for 3 seconds. Instead of scrolling down the entire three seconds it will have moments of upwards scrolling. This happens across all applications, and that includes Gtk and Qt apps.
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: would be interesting to test another flavor perhaps in a liveusb, maybe gnome related?
[12:50] <blackflow> rafaelrcenteio: okay, so all applications. that's what I wanted to ask. if it was some specific one.
[12:51] <rafaelrcenteio> I have a Linux lite installation on a VM. I don't know it that helps.
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> rafaelrcenteio: well we can only support ubuntu and its flavors here, so perhaps a lubuntu/xubuntu?
[12:52] <vlt> Hello. To save time I used `abcde -1 -o wav -a default,cue` on all of my Audio CDs last night. What's now the recommended way to produce single flac or hq mp3 files for each track? Can abcde use the cue file? Somehting like ffmpeg?
[12:53] <rafaelrcenteio> lotuspsychje: ok. I will see what I can do. Thanks.
[12:54] <xjkx> We have libinput 1.10 in ubuntu 18.04. For a bug fix regarding my keyboard, i'd need libinput 1.11, but that is not offered in LTS last apt-get upgrade. How do I just upgrade this package without affecting a whole lotta dependences and such? I like LTS and stability, it is only this package that I need newer
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> xjkx: try !backports or !pinning maybe?
[12:56] <xjkx> I dont know what that is, will google, thanks
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> !backports | xjkx
[12:57] <xjkx> lotuspsychje: whats the difference for pinning?
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> !pinning | xjkx
[12:58] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: libinput10 1.11 is not inbackports
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> ok
[12:59] <xjkx> so should I do pinning?
[12:59] <oerheks> what bug fix gives libinput 1.11 ?
[12:59] <tomreyn> pinning is somewhat complicated, i'd rathe rlook for a ppa
[12:59] <tomreyn> !ppa
[13:00] <leftyfb> pinning is only relevant if you have libinput 1.11 installed to begin with
[13:02] <xjkx> oerheks: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106720 or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1762536
[13:03] <tomreyn> well cosmic got 1.11, but yes, one would need to be using that then, and if there is a specific PPA for libinput 1.11 it'd probably be easier to configure.
[13:04] <oerheks> libinput10 1.10.5 seems to have that fix too, ...
[13:06] <xjkx> oerheks: and is it easy to get? What I have is libinput-bin/bionic,now 1.10.4-1 amd64
[13:07] <oerheks> no, we have to wait for it to show up in proposed
[13:10] <leftyfb> xjkx: hold on
[13:15] <leftyfb> xjkx: https://launchpad.net/~leftyfb/+archive/ubuntu/libinput10
[13:17] <xjkx> leftyfb: wow, thanks :)
[13:18] <leftyfb> xjkx: let me know some day when you don't need it anymore :)
[13:19] <xjkx> ok ^^ brb
[13:34] <hans__> the installer is asking me what my ip address is, but i have 2, can i tell that to the installer, or just give it a random 1?
[13:34] <hans__> https://i.imgur.com/trSG8Jj.png
[13:34] <hans__> not using DHCP
[13:34] <oerheks> hans__, as you are not using ubuntu ..
[13:36] <maxam9> Is there a way to change the order of network interfaces in Ubuntu? A piece of software I'm using checks my license file against the MAC address of my network card. It always checks for the first network interface (ethernet), but the license file matches up with the second interface (wifi)
[13:39] <Southern_Gentlem> maxam9, matlab?
[13:40] <hans__> oerheks, i am now, i was on debian 9 an hour ago, but reinstalled it with ubuntu 16.04 now (it's a pre-packaged image from the vps provider, so its farily fast to install)
[13:40] <maxam9> matlab?
[13:40] <maxam9> oh, I see what you mean sorry. Not, this is Siemens NX
[13:40] <hans__> oerheks, i installed a ubuntu 16.04 image, and booted into the ubuntu 18.04 installer from the 16.04 system (the vps provider doesn't support installing 18.04 so i have to do it myself)
[13:41] <oerheks> maxam9,  blacklist the wired adapter on boot, i see no way to change the hardware position, some idea https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/10254/how-to-change-the-order-of-the-network-cards-eth1-eth0-on-linux
[13:42] <hans__> oerheks, oh and if the installer looks a bit weird, it's because its the mini netinst installer
[13:42] <hans__> ... running over a network emulator with no color support, VT220-something, i think
[13:42] <oerheks> upgrading a vps, those are heavily tweaked, good luck,
[13:42] <vlt> vlt: shntool
[13:44] <maxam9> oerheks, I see, thank-you. I had seen that thread but was hoping for a nicer way to do it. I'll give that a try.
[13:44] <oerheks> i wonder what software scans such weird way
[13:45] <hans__> oerheks, well, i've done it before at another VPS provider, but that time it was KVM, this time it's Xen - and that time, the secret was that i had to boot the installer with `console=ttyS1,9600`, and before rebooting into the installed system, i had to modify /target/boot/grub/something.ext  and add `console=ttyS1,9600`  before rebooting into the new system, but i definitely see your point
[13:45] <hans__> (also i had to modify /target/etc/default/grub and add `console=ttyS1,9600` to GRUB_BOOT_DEFAULT , otherwise next time a apt update;  script ran `update-grub`, it would break the boot system)
[13:47] <hans__> (also i had to boot the installer over http via ipxe.... it took a long time to figure out)
[13:48] <vlt> Hello. How can I copy a directory from one file system to another (target vfat) and make sure the files are copied in alphabetical order?
[13:49] <leftyfb> vlt: for i in $(ls|sort) ;do cp $i /path/to/destination/;done
[13:50] <vlt> leftyfb: Should `find` list the files in the correct order then?
[13:51] <vlt> leftyfb: THe first time I tried this I got a random file order from `find`.
[13:51] <jost> Hi! On one of my machines, I appearently started `sudo apt-get upgrade -y` a month ago, which got stuck somehow. How can I read the output of that process and bring it into the foreground, if possible? I'm working over ssh.
[13:51] <leftyfb> vlt: find will not list in alphabetical order
[13:51] <vlt> leftyfb: I know. But does it list in the order the files appear in the file system?
[13:51] <leftyfb> jost: just run it again
[13:52] <hans__> vlt, why do you care in which order the files are copied?
[13:52] <hans__> oh
[13:52] <hans__> kk
[13:52] <jost> leftyfb: That won't work, because apt uses a lock file
[13:52] <jost> Or do you mean I should kill it and then run it again?
[13:53] <leftyfb> jost: incorrect
[13:53] <hans__> jost, could try https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr  and hope for the best, but...
[13:53] <leftyfb> jost: well, not incorrect, but lets get the error
[13:53] <vlt> hans__: Because the file system will be later used by an audio player that will play one file after the other.
[13:53] <leftyfb> hans__: lets not recommend random github binaries
[13:53] <hans__> vlt, and that audio player sorts by inodes!?
[13:53] <vlt> hans__: Apparently, yes.
[13:54] <jost> leftyfb: the error message is: "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[13:54] <jost> So I checked and found a process using it
[13:54] <leftyfb> jost: ok, kill the process
[13:54] <jost> leftyfb: And that won't leave half-configured packages behind?
[13:54] <hans__> leftyfb, reptyr is the most reliable program i know of to reparent running programs to your own terminal
[13:55] <leftyfb> jost: it might. We can fix that
[13:55] <jost> leftyfb: ok, I'll try
[13:55] <hans__> leftyfb, (and i know of 2, this is the better 1)
[13:56] <leftyfb> hans__: it's not necessary in this case and it's certainly not a supported method of troubleshooting here
[13:57] <hans__> leftyfb, if apt is just waiting for a `do you want to replace your modified script with a maintainer's?`  question, it could let him continue, but k
[13:58] <rafaelrcenteio> Hi, I came here a while ago to seek help for my mouse scrolling abnormal behaviour. The person that was helping me asked me to test it on other flavour of Ubuntu. So I booted into a Live USB Lubuntu, and I can confirm the same abnormal behaviour of the scroll.
[13:59] <thePiGrepper> mouse model,system info, and distro?
[14:01] <rafaelrcenteio> thePiGrepper: Ubuntu 18.04, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2JJJsjFZrP/
[14:05] <vlt> leftyfb: How can I deal with spaces in file names when using $(ls | sort)?
[14:05] <leftyfb> vlt: for i in $(ls|sort) ;do cp "$i" /path/to/destination/;done
[14:06] <jost> leftyfb: It worked, I just had to run `dpkg --configure -a` afterwards. Thanks for your help :-)
[14:06] <leftyfb> jost: np
[14:09] <transhuman> anyone in here know how to change a password for thunderbird under linux?
[14:09] <transhuman> Click the TB Menu button (3 horiz.bars), then Options/Options/Security/Passwords/Saved Passwords, Show Passwords, right-click the AT&T account incoming and outgoing entries, Edit Password, enter the new password, OK to close Options, restart TB.Click the TB Me
[14:09] <transhuman> this OPTIONS/ menu doesnt exist
[14:09] <transhuman> and its not under security, I can change certificates but not account passwords
[14:10] <rafaelrcenteio> lotuspsychje: I tested it under Lubuntu, the same odd scroll behaviour was displayed.
[14:10] <leftyfb> transhuman: you need to do it under account settings
[14:13] <transhuman> no there is no such settings, I can change the certificate but not the password
[14:14] <transhuman> its not under edit preference secuity
[14:14] <transhuman> and if i right click an account its not under settings that I can see
[14:15] <transhuman> there is a manage identities button under there and then I can edit from there but no passwords under there under security
[14:17] <hans__> leftyfb, oh btw, reptyr is already in the ubuntu repos, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=reptyr
[14:17] <hans__> (so it's not just `a random github repo`)
[14:17] <leftyfb> hans__: then recommend that, not the github link
[14:18] <hans__> leftyfb, i didn't know until 30 seconds ago
[14:21] <transhuman> never mind it found it, for some reason its a big thunderbird secret
[14:24] <leftyfb> transhuman: where was it?
[14:25] <transhuman> edit preferences security passwords, saved passwords
[14:25] <transhuman> and it worries me because you can view the passwords and not just a hash
[14:27] <transhuman> leftyfb, actually that changes the saved password but it does not change the account password, guess I need to go outside thunderbird to change it for an account
[14:29] <leftyfb> transhuman: isn't the saved password the account password? I don't follow
[14:31] <qwebirc64227> Hey all, I'm having some problems in Ubuntu Bionic with corrupted graphics or rext rendering in Matlab 2013a. This issue has been discussed a little bit on other forums, but the solutions that have worked for some have not worked for me. This: https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/296491-problems-with-matlab-windows-both-editor-and-command-line-windows-when-using-r2016a-on-ubuntu-16-0 is the problem I seem to be havi
[14:31] <qwebirc64227> I have tried setting Matlab's java runtime environment to various versions, as was suggested in the forums, with no success. Any ideas?
[14:34] <sideone> hey all. im having an issue with all things apt. have tried updating apt, apt-get remove linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic, apt-get reinstall linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic, apt autoremove and dpkg --configure -a   .. running 4.4.0-130-generic under 16.04 .. any ideas?  https://pastebin.com/y0VK9GnB
[14:36] <Poster> you might want to try: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-39-generic
[14:37] <Poster> I know you ultimately want to remove them, but it looks like they're in a broken state currently
[14:37] <schneu> hello, can some wiith this : Unable to load library icui18n "Cannot load library icui18n: (icui18n: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)" I'm on 18.04
[14:37] <leftyfb> sideone: what version of ubuntu are you running with kernel version 3.19?
[14:37] <sideone> Poster; https://pastebin.com/zZWzPJZx
[14:37] <schneu> can't find any lib that fix the problem
[14:37] <Whiskey> i have ubuntu mate 18.04 whit wrong resolution on rasp pi 3 and can´t fix it
[14:37] <Whiskey> but i found out that the resolution is not the real problem, is the overscan and i can´t find out how to fix it
[14:37] <sideone> im running 16.04, but using 4.4.0-130 kern. im not sure why i even had old refs for 3.19
[14:38] <leftyfb> Whiskey: try #raspberrypi
[14:38] <Poster> sideone: yikes that failed to fork is a concerning one, do you have any other kernels installed?
[14:38] <leftyfb> sideone: then why are you trying to reinstall 3.19 in your above command?
[14:38] <sideone> leftyfb; just trying to fix metadata
[14:38] <Poster> the reinstall was my suggestion
[14:38] <Poster> though I think something else may be wrong
[14:39] <leftyfb> sideone: don't. Just remove it
[14:39] <Poster> his original question was on it's removal which also failed
[14:39] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo apt remove --purge --autoremove linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic
[14:39] <sideone> Poster; apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic linux-image-extra-3.19.0-39-generic
[14:39] <leftyfb> sideone: pastebin the output of that command please
[14:39] <sideone> err.. https://pastebin.com/rHanNurT
[14:39] <leftyfb> sideone: please don't run that again
[14:40] <sideone> leftyfb; https://pastebin.com/Njg0E7v8
[14:40] <sideone> thanks for the assistance guys, this one is throwing me.
[14:41] <Poster> I am not entirely sure you have a working kernel, do you have boot/rescue media?
[14:41] <leftyfb> Poster: 1 step at a time please
[14:42] <sideone> Poster; wouldnt 4.4.0-130 be my current kern as ref'd in uname -a?
[14:43] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*3.19.0-25-generic /tmp/
[14:43] <leftyfb> sideone: then try the remove --purge again
[14:44] <leftyfb> oops
[14:44] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*3.19.0-25-generic* /tmp/
[14:45] <Poster> yeah, but I am not sure it's installed completely based on this output https://pastebin.com/rHanNurT along with the "failed to fork" errors ; hopefully leftyfb can get over this part, only thing I know to do here is boot to rescue media
[14:45] <sideone> leftyfb; https://pastebin.com/Y69gSs59
[14:45] <leftyfb> Poster: we don't care if 3.19 installed correctly. We're removing it. We don't want it
[14:46] <Poster> I don't think 4.4.0-130 is installed correctly either, something is causing the install process to be unable to fork
[14:46] <leftyfb> sideone: uname -a
[14:47] <leftyfb> sideone: ls -l /boot/vmlinuz*
[14:49] <leftyfb> sideone: I gotta head out ... if you can get those pastes back to me soon, we might have this fixed momentarily
[14:49] <sideone> btw. ls /tmp shows : linux-image-3.19.0-25-generic.list  linux-image-3.19.0-25-generic.postrm
[14:49] <sideone> Linux web03 4.4.0-130-generic #156-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 14 08:53:28 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:49] <sideone> -rw------- 1 root root 7156160 Jun 14 09:24 /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-130-generic
[14:50] <sideone> sorry for the delay, vp came into my office for a moment.
[14:50] <leftyfb> sideone: ok, reboot and make sure it boots into 4.4.0-130, once you're back up, try removing 3.19 again
[14:51] <leftyfb> Poster: 4.4.0-130 is installed properly since he's booted into it
[14:51] <sideone> rebooting, do you want me to run: apt-get remove linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic ?
[14:52] <Poster> The part I am hung up on is here: https://pastebin.com/rHanNurT specifically status iF for linux-image-4.4.0-130-generic
[14:52] <leftyfb> sideone: after you reboot, I want you to run the remove --purge command I posted above
[14:52] <sideone> k
[14:53] <sideone> https://pastebin.com/uGnZj7P9
[14:54] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*3.19.0-25-generic* /tmp/
[14:54] <leftyfb> again
[14:54] <leftyfb> then try removing again
[14:54] <sideone> https://pastebin.com/4wtRr5SJ
[14:55] <sideone> tmp: linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic.list  linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic.md5sums  linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic.postinst  linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic.postrm
[14:57] <sideone> should moving the dpkg info clear references to /boot/system.map? it shows *-39 currently
[14:57] <leftyfb> sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-3.19.0-25-generic
[14:57] <leftyfb> then sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-3.19.0-39-generic
[14:58] <sideone> nice
[14:58] <sideone> its just complaining about 39 now
[14:58] <sideone> should i try the mvs followed by purge?
[14:58] <leftyfb> no more moved
[14:58] <leftyfb> sudo dpkg --purge linux-image-extra-3.19.0-39-generic
[14:59] <wr> does ubuntu 16.04 server iso have a netinstall?
[14:59] <sideone> https://pastebin.com/GN1gqvQr
[14:59] <leftyfb> wr: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads  first result on google for "ubuntu 16.04 network install"
[15:01] <wr> sideone, always thought pastebin.com site was a bad design, https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[15:01] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*3.19.0-39-generic* /tmp/
[15:01] <wr> leftyfb, yes seen the link, was in doubt if the mini.iso was ubuntu desktop or server or both
[15:01] <leftyfb> sideone: then try to remove again
[15:02] <leftyfb> wr: it's both
[15:02] <leftyfb> wr: you choose the (meta)packages
[15:02] <wr> leftyfb, cool
[15:03] <kwek> hello.. It seems like i'm missing some groups in my ubuntu terminal. if i run 'groups' there, I only see my own user group. But if I login via ssh on my localhost, then 'groups' is filled with what I'd expect (sudo, adm, dialout, etc).. what could be wrong here?
[15:03] <sideone> looking much bettr
[15:04] <sideone> i have tried apt-get install -f after and found a little more. but i believe the older kerns are removed! https://pastebin.com/ciqsm0Ug
[15:04] <sideone> wr; which site do you like better?
[15:05] <wr> sideone, there are a bunch of pastebins but ubuntu one is nice
[15:05] <leftyfb> sideone: try sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[15:06] <hans__> wr, there is a netinstall version of ubuntu 16.04, yes
[15:06] <sideone> https://pastebin.com/7gSbGuAC
[15:06] <hans__> wr, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[15:07] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*4.4.0-130-generic* /tmp/
[15:07] <leftyfb> sideone: then try again
[15:07] <wr> hans__, for every installation the iso is always the same, the mini.iso right?
[15:08] <leftyfb> hans__: I already posted a link that links to that
[15:08] <sideone> https://pastebin.com/yECP31ui
[15:09] <hans__> wr, .. ? you mean desktop vs server edition vs whatever? the mini.iso is the netinst version of all of them, yes, it will ask you which version you want to install
[15:09] <sideone> leftyfb; sorry old paste.. try this one: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/S49CsKTrXX/
[15:09] <sideone> ran out of usages on pastebin
[15:10] <sideone> also, heres a list of the linux-image* in /var/lib/dkpg/info .. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j7MNnQ8KQ6/
[15:11] <leftyfb> sideone: sudo mv /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules /root/
[15:11] <sideone> should we look at *45 ?
[15:11] <leftyfb> sideone: then try to reinstall the hwe kernel
[15:12] <leftyfb> hans__: You're basically just repeating the answers I already gave
[15:13] <sideone> leftyfb; i think we got it! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Mxz9zFF7fc/
[15:13] <sideone> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7PG7QH9MyV/
[15:14] <leftyfb> sideone: looks ok to me. Reboot and you should be now running the 4.13 hwe kernel
[15:14] <hans__> leftyfb, oh sorry, didn't notice
[15:14] <sideone> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YNFXKQ3dnd/
[15:14] <sideone> next autoremove ran smoothly too.. rebooting.
[15:15] <sideone> leftyfb; thanks for all the help. that was a stubborn couple of images, yes?
[15:15] <sideone> Linux web03 4.13.0-45-generic #50~16.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 30 11:18:27 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:15] <leftyfb> sideone: just some silliness. I've dealt with it before
[15:15] <manj-gnome> hey
[15:16] <manj-gnome> is unity gone from ubuntu now?
[15:16] <sideone> reminds me of the old days building kerns under slak and deb
[15:16] <sideone> apt :)
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> manj-gnome: no, you still can install unity desktop
[15:16] <leftyfb> manj-gnome: Unity is still available for install on 18.04 but not installed by default
[15:16] <sideone> rebooted fine! time to work with certs
[15:16] <manj-gnome> always used arch because i prefer gnome but i read that ubuntu dropped unity in favour of it
[15:16] <sideone> thanks again leftyfb , really saved my day!
[15:17] <manj-gnome> is gnome the default now?
[15:17] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I need a desktop or laptop as a stopgap solution because my present machine is failing and I can't afford a really nice one.  What's the cheapest machine I can get in the UK (desktop or laptop) that runs Windows 10 and can run Ubuntu 18.04 in a VM comfortably?  The cheapest I've found so far is a 350-pound Lenovo Ideapad 310.
[15:17] <oerheks> manj-gnome, that is what you read
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> Richard_Cavell: ##hardware can help you
[15:17] <leftyfb> Richard_Cavell: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:18] <leftyfb> or that^
[15:18] <manj-gnome> yes, im confirming what i read...
[15:18] <manj-gnome> and what i read was from early 2017
[15:19] <oerheks> !releasenotes
[15:19] <oerheks> so we have the same info
[15:19] <manj-gnome> thanks
[15:21] <bef848f> Guys, can you play mp4 file directly in Firefox?
[15:21] <bef848f> Or does it say its corrupt as well?
[15:22] <bef848f> Oh nvm
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> bef848f: not really an ubuntu issue, perhaps ask in #firefox ?
[15:22] <oerheks> mp4 is just a container
[15:23] <bef848f> Seems its not firefox related. I'm recording a video with ffmpeg and then upload to my web server. And Firefox can not play it when I open the link.
[15:23] <bef848f> However
[15:23] <bef848f> http://www.html5videoplayer.net/videos/toystory.mp4
[15:23] <bef848f> this one works fine
[15:23] <oerheks> use an open standard
[15:23] <bef848f> I tried, but can't record an ogg with a decent framerate
[15:24] <bef848f> it comes out choppy as hell
[15:25] <wr> hans__, you refered that there is a version of netinstall of 16.04, so 18.04 is another? or is same mini.iso?
[15:39] <stefa299> Hallo
[16:02] <gint> ciao
[16:02] <gint> !list
[16:03] <oerheks> pssst gint, all torrents are here http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[16:10] <compdoc> I screwed up my system trying to upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04, so installed it from scratch. linux is so great when copying over settings from thunderbird and my other programs. it just works
[16:11] <NekrosBurek> I can't install Apache2 on my ubuntu it is giving me some error "you have held broken packages"
[16:11] <nacc> NekrosBurek: please use a pastebin and paste the exact command and output
[16:11] <nacc> !pastebin | NekrosBurek
[16:11] <nacc> compdoc: note that upgrade path isn't yet supported :)
[16:12] <NekrosBurek> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6JFnG67YR8/ here is the command and output
[16:13] <hfp> I have an issue with my terminal and I don't know how to troubleshoot it: sometimes when stopping vim with ctrl-z, it will break my display and just write the new output over the old output, instead of clearing the lines. I mean that if my window is full, it will type over what's already there from the first line instead of adding new lines from the bottom and scroll up what's already there. There is still a
[16:13] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ok, try this: `sudo apt-get -s install apache2 apache2-bin`
[16:13] <hfp> scrollbar in my terminal. Another (potentially related) issue is when running jest (javascript test runner) in watch mode: jest has keys that you can type to trigger actions, but when I do type them it will output them on the screen rather than actually doing the matching action. I have a screenshot here: https://i.imgur.com/7GcbZOm.png -the "pfqa p q" shouldn't be there, it should have cleared the screen and
[16:13] <hfp> run the corresponding actions instead. I am using Ubuntu 18.04 with Terminator (but also happens in rxvt-unicode) and i3-wm. Any ideas? This is driving me nuts.
[16:13] <nacc> NekrosBurek: that tells apt to simulate the install, and we are going to try and help apt resolve the issue
[16:14] <NekrosBurek> Now i have got this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PFPmS3vMRW/
[16:15] <nacc> NekrosBurek: try: `sudo apt-get -s install apache2 apache2-bin libapr1 libaprutil1 libaprutil-ldap`
[16:15] <nacc> NekrosBurek: to be sure, you've run `sudo apt-get update` recently, right?
[16:16] <NekrosBurek> yes + i had error with some public key i fixed it but when i run the update command at the end i get the signature uses weak digest algorithm
[16:16] <NekrosBurek> should i paste the output for the above command in paste.ubuntu ?
[16:19] <nacc> NekrosBurek: yes please
[16:19] <nacc> NekrosBurek: and for the update output as well
[16:19] <NekrosBurek> the update outpot contains the key should i post that to ?
[16:20] <nacc> NekrosBurek: yeah, it's public
[16:20] <NekrosBurek> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pCWJVnXbCQ/
[16:22] <nacc> NekrosBurek: looking
[16:23] <nacc> NekrosBurek: `apt-cache policy libapr1` please? And why are you using archive.canonical.com for the sources.list? I'm pretty sure that's not standard
[16:25] <NekrosBurek> i installed some panel for ubuntu for web, and it messed up my vps, when i removed it  apache broke, my phpmyadmin works but when i go to usr/share/phpmyadmin it is redirecting me to that location, some of my web pages get the Access denied and support is not answering so i am lookin google and here as reinstalling ubuntu is removing all my files
[16:26] <oerheks> let me guess, you upgraded your vps to the next version?
[16:26] <NekrosBurek> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dk3yHFhSdB/
[16:27] <NekrosBurek> i just followed online help for fixing apache and phpmyadmin
[16:27] <nacc> NekrosBurek: yeah that's the bug.
[16:27] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ok, one sec
[16:27] <nacc> NekrosBurek: can you pastebin your sources.list file?
[16:28] <NekrosBurek> sure can you just help me how to open it i forgot
[16:28] <nacc> NekrosBurek: you should be able to just do `cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999` and paste the URL it outputs here.
[16:28] <NekrosBurek> http://termbin.com/o53k
[16:29] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ok, we're going to modify that file
[16:29] <blackflow> nacc: do vim do vim! ;)
[16:29] <nacc> NekrosBurek: which editor are you most comfortable with? nano, vi, emacs?
[16:30] <NekrosBurek> i mostly use nano
[16:30] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ok
[16:30] <nacc> NekrosBurek: `sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak; sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list`
[16:30] <nacc> in the editor you are going to put this content:
[16:31] <hans_> any guide for upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04 ?
[16:32] <nacc> NekrosBurek: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Pp2bPTP2yK/
[16:32] <nacc> NekrosBurek: not sure what extras is, or if you actually need it
[16:32] <nacc> hans_: wait til it's available
[16:32] <oerheks> not for your vps, hans_
[16:32] <oerheks> really, you should know better
[16:32] <NekrosBurek> ok pasted and saved
[16:33] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ok, run `sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get update`
[16:34] <nacc> NekrosBurek: then try and install apache2 again: `sudo apt-get install apache2`
[16:34] <nacc> NekrosBurek: your sources.list was totally ... weird.
[16:34] <NekrosBurek> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dHvB8JSbr7/
[16:36] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ok, so a different error
[16:36] <nacc> NekrosBurek: no other output at all?
[16:37] <oerheks> updates went oke?
[16:37] <NekrosBurek> oh there
[16:37] <NekrosBurek> is
[16:37] <NekrosBurek> one error which says cannot overwrite the panel which i deleted -_- ill send you paste just a second
[16:38] <NekrosBurek> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HPDzmkgMNr/
[16:38] <oerheks> zesle-apache24 2.4.27-1 ??
[16:39] <NekrosBurek> well i was looking for a good free web panel for ubuntu they say zesle i install zesle i regret for installing it xD
[16:39] <ioria> NekrosBurek, if you are on trusty , those 2 xenial repos might be a problem (ttps://apt.zeslecp.com  and deb.nodesource.com/node_8.x xenial )
[16:40] <nacc> NekrosBurek: ah and there's the problem
[16:40] <nacc> NekrosBurek: the panel shipped it's *own* apache
[16:40] <nacc> NekrosBurek: so, let's do this: `sudo apt-get remove apache2 zesle-apache24`
[16:40] <NekrosBurek> i guess the mysql to
[16:41] <nacc> NekrosBurek: then `sudo apt-get install apache2`
[16:41] <blackflow> NekrosBurek: what does grep -i zesle /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages         say?
[16:41] <blackflow> could be more stuff that needs removal
[16:41] <leftyfb> NekrosBurek: I would recommend not using a web panel to manage your server(s).
[16:42] <nacc> blackflow: true, but i think the above should get apache there; i suppose w could just do a ppa-purge
[16:42] <blackflow> nacc: if you say so, I'm not familiar wiht ppa tools and/or if there's a faster way to identify such "alien" packages and remove them
[16:42] <NekrosBurek> This is from apache install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NZk3RJF7zf/
[16:42] <NekrosBurek> and this is from packages command https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pJVSPkx95m/
[16:43] <blackflow> yeppers, there we go.
[16:43] <nacc> NekrosBurek: yeah, so if you really don't want the zesle thing, then i'd ppa-purge it
[16:43] <ioria> yep
[16:43] <NekrosBurek> well i am still learning with ubuntu etc and i wanted to give my friend a website panel so he could make himself a website so i went the easy way and you see the rest
[16:43] <NekrosBurek> i don't need it at all
[16:45] <nacc> ioria: i need to work on something else, would you be able to help them ppa-purge that?
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> we got your back nacc
[16:45] <ioria> nacc, ok
[16:46] <ioria> NekrosBurek, i guess the culprit is this repo https://apt.zeslecp.com xenial  and i don't even know what that is
[16:47] <ioria> NekrosBurek, but i know that is for xenial, so need to purge it
[16:48] <NekrosBurek> so is there a way to remove everything related to zesle ?
[16:48] <ioria> !ppa-purge | NekrosBurek
[16:49] <NekrosBurek> installed ppa-purge
[16:49] <NekrosBurek> so i do ppa-purge ppa:zesle ?
[16:49] <ioria> NekrosBurek, but it's not exactly a ppa , so idk how it 'll behave
[16:49] <oerheks> if it got a list in sourses.list.d folder, you might
[16:50] <BadPractice> hi, what program provides this dialogue? https://www.utwente.nl/.uc/i4a/d208be0102f82274002fccde024e3d0b0090e101020701c48701300180.png
[16:50] <ioria> NekrosBurek, apt-cache policy apache2   gives you 2.4.7-1ubuntu4.20 version or what ?
[16:50] <oerheks> add printer, in what version, BadPractice ?
[16:51] <NekrosBurek> yes that 2.4.7
[16:51] <BadPractice> how is the program called?
[16:51] <oerheks> ...
[16:51] <ioria> NekrosBurek, and libapr1  ?
[16:52] <BadPractice> i dont care about version much. I just wanna know how the utility program is called
[16:52] <blackflow> oerheks: ioria: note their source.list was purged earlier, only has official ubuntu repos now
[16:52] <ioria> blackflow, damn right
[16:52] <nacc> blackflow: but we didn't purge sources.list.d because i didn't see it in the output
[16:52] <leftyfb> NekrosBurek: I would install wordpress for your friend and call it a day. Other than that, you won't learn anything with a web management interface. You learn less and can actually cause problems
[16:52] <NekrosBurek> well i just want to fix apache and phpmyadmin back
[16:52] <NekrosBurek> i made a mistake with that panel stuff
[16:53] <ioria> NekrosBurek,   dpkg -l | grep apache2 | pastebinit
[16:53] <NekrosBurek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B4F4dF24Wh/
[16:53] <BadPractice> ok let me ask differently: what do i have to enter in my command line to get this program https://www.utwente.nl/.uc/i4a/d208be0102f82274002fccde024e3d0b0090e101020701c48701300180.png
[16:54] <ioria> NekrosBurek,   dpkg -l | grep libapr1  | pastebinit
[16:54] <blackflow> BadPractice: isn't that Printers, under Settings in old Unity desktops?
[16:54] <NekrosBurek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s7spw4s7hk/
[16:54] <BadPractice> blackflow, i dont know. I am using a gentoo here and try to find a useable utillity program to manage cups
[16:55] <BadPractice> what does ubuntu have installed? whats the name of the utillity program?
[16:55] <blackflow> BadPractice: lol.  then just use CUPS http interface
[16:55] <blackflow> BadPractice: it's gnome's
[16:55] <jason85> Does anybody know why ssh won't execute my local command? ssh -o LocalCommand="echo test" hostname
[16:55] <ioria> NekrosBurek,   dpkg -l | grep libaprutil1 | pastebinit
[16:56] <BadPractice> blackflow, no gnome is a desktop environment not a cups frontend
[16:56] <blackflow> BadPractice: the printer dialog is gnomes I believe, that's what I meant. but that look, that's unity (which is a gnome shell)
[16:56] <blackflow> BadPractice: so just  use   http://localhost:631   and that's functionally exactly the same CUPS interface.
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> jason85: see also #openssh
[16:57] <NekrosBurek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hqrNN82Ptn/
[16:57] <blackflow> BadPractice: also, #gentoo should be more helpful with that ;)
[16:57] <jason85> lotuspsychje, thanks
[16:57] <hggdh> jason85: add a config for the remote stat states "PermitLocalCommand yes"
[16:58] <hggdh> s/stat /that /
[16:58] <ioria> NekrosBurek,   they are all correctly installed
[16:58] <BadPractice> all i want to know is what utility program you have installed. On your desktop! right now! whats the name of the program?
[16:58] <ioria> NekrosBurek,   dpkg -l | grep zesle | pastebinit
[16:59] <hggdh> BadPractice: calm down please
[16:59] <blackflow> BadPractice: good luck with that attitude, mate.
[16:59] <BadPractice> its system-config-printer
[16:59] <BadPractice> i figured it out
[17:00] <NekrosBurek> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vV9kXkKrpj/
[17:00] <leftyfb> BadPractice: different distro's will rename things occasionally. You cannot assume just because it's named something on Ubuntu that it will be the same on Gentoo. I don't see why you don't just ask for help in the channel dedicated to what you're running.
[17:01] <ioria> NekrosBurek,  do you need those packages ?
[17:01] <jason85> hggdh, that did the trick, thanks :)
[17:01] <compdoc> I just installed 18.04 and theres a little icon of a monitor with a circle/slash in the middle of it. if I click it, it drops down a menu with nothing in it. Propeties say its the Indicator Applet. How do i put applets in there?
[17:02] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: screenshot?
[17:02] <ash_worksi> I have a generic question
[17:03] <ash_worksi> do you uninstall vi and install vim?
[17:03] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: no, just install vim
[17:03] <hggdh> ash_worksi: no, just install vim, it will adjust to be called vi
[17:03] <BadPractice> leftyfb, it has the EXACT same name on Ubuntu, Arch and Gentoo. I found screenshots and all it tould me is that i should click "Add printer" I wanted to know the name. I thought i just ask here since all you have to do is click on the about box since it is your defualt utillity
[17:03] <blackflow> ash_worksi: there's no vi, it's all vim but in compatibility mode, until you install "proper" full vim.
[17:03] <ash_worksi> I see
[17:04] <hggdh> BadPractice: again, please be nice
[17:04] <blackflow> vi, the old original vi, is hardly installed anywhere these days
[17:04] <ash_worksi> that's all the exact wealth of knowledge I needed
[17:04] <leftyfb> BadPractice: again, you cannot always assume that. You're not running Ubuntu. It's not appropriate to ask support questions about Gentoo in #ubuntu, regardless if you think they might be the same
[17:04] <ash_worksi> blackflow: so the vi that comes on 18.04 is a nerfed vim?
[17:04] <blackflow> ash_worksi: yeup
[17:05] <blackflow> ash_worksi: I mean it says right there "VIM - Vi IMproved"  when you start `vi`  ;)
[17:05] <BadPractice> leftyfb, i asked in #ubuntu how a ubuntu default utillity app is called. Not related to gentoo.
[17:05] <blackflow> it's just that it's in vi compatibility mode, command-wise
[17:06] <NekrosBurek> Zesle no
[17:07] <ash_worksi> blackflow: yes, and the funny thing is that it also says, on the same page, "type :help version8<enter> for version info" and then when you type it it says: E149: Sorry, no help for version8
[17:08] <blackflow> ash_worksi: right because default vi(m) is compiled for minimal, compatibility mode, features. you then install "vim" which pulls in vim-runtime which is additional features, and provides vim.tiny and vim.basic alternatives.
[17:08] <blackflow> I never understood that, I mean just include proper full vim in the base OS....
[17:09] <ash_worksi> yeah, well with minimal there should be, imo, some snippet about what you just said
 i need to go now ill be back later or tommorow thanks for such an amazing help from everyone
[17:10] <ioria> ok
[17:10] <ash_worksi> blackflow: so `apt install vim` will give you "full proper vim"... _along_ with tiny and basic? (ie you can start tiny or basic alternatives of vim?)
[17:11] <blackflow> ash_worksi: yup
[17:11] <notl33tenough> hey guys, do you know an alternative for cairo-dock? i got problems with cairo-dock on my 18.04LTS
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> !info docky | notl33tenough
[17:12] <blackflow> ash_worksi: vim.tiny is the "vi" compatibility mode afaik
[17:12] <notl33tenough> thx guys
[17:13] <blackflow> ash_worksi: right. vi is a symlink to vim.tiny through /etc/alternatives/vi   and vim is to vim.basic through /etc/alternatives/vim
[17:14] <blackflow> (both being vim 8.x actually, .tiny being with vi compat featureset)
[17:15] <ash_worksi> blackflow: so after `install vim`; then `vi` will still launch vim.tiny and `vim` will launch `vim.basic` ?
[17:15] <blackflow> ash_worksi: exactly
[17:15] <ash_worksi> blackflow: and what about "full blown vim" ?
[17:15] <compdoc> lotuspsychje, anybody, what is this little icon?  https://imgur.com/a/0Z9oGGR
[17:16] <yeats> ash_worksi: blackflow: /usr/bin/vi is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi, which will point to whatever you have chosen
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: ah, you might have apt problems
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: can you hastebin us the output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade please?
[17:16] <Dave_Elec> how do i enable global dark theme on ubuntu 18.04?
[17:16] <ash_worksi> yeats: which in a default scenario, I'm guessing is vim.tiny?
[17:17] <yeats> ash_worksi: yes, by default, vim.tiny is what's there
[17:17] <blackflow> ash_worksi: that's .basic actually. note there's also bindings for GUI thorugh vim-gtk and vim-gtk3 packages.  and if you build it from source there can also be various langauge bindigs like perl, python, etc... for really full full functionality, but I don't know if that's prepackaged on ubuntu
[17:17] <Dave_Elec> i have tried ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[17:17] <blackflow> yeats: yeah , I said that above
[17:17] <ash_worksi> I was about to say that :help version8 worked on `vi` post `install vim`
[17:18] <blackflow> yeats: however there's a difference between vi and vim in alternatives
[17:18] <compdoc> lotuspsychje, All packages are up to date.
[17:18] <blackflow> yeats: it's not to alternate vi(m) iimplementation, its' for editors
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> compdoc: no issues in apt?
[17:18] <ash_worksi> at some point I would like language support, but I will get to that later
[17:19] <blackflow> ash_worksi: note that's not for syntax and stuff like that, it's for plugins and modules being written in those langs
[17:19] <ioria> compdoc, i guess a broken dropbox icon
[17:20] <ppf> ash_worksi: 'language support'
[17:20] <ash_worksi> blackflow: is that a "caution for when you do that" or a "there are multiple ways to skin that cat"
[17:20] <yeats> blackflow: I was trying to make the point that ash_worksi's assumption that "vi" -> vim.tiny and "vim" -> vim.basic wasn't quite right
[17:20] <ash_worksi> yeats: duly noted :)
[17:20] <ash_worksi> ppf: ?
[17:21] <ppf> yes i was missing ?
[17:21] <ppf> what's language support
[17:21] <ash_worksi> oh, I mean, at some point I would like vim to be capable of doing language specific things
[17:21] <blackflow> yeats: it's default though. Id' really NOT recommand change that default and create a maximum confusion where vim is vi and vi is vim. that's serious offence right there ;)
[17:21] <ash_worksi> like an IDE
[17:21] <ash_worksi> but I'm not really concerned with it now
[17:22] <blackflow> ash_worksi: that's what I meant, that's not what "language bindings" are for vim
[17:22] <ppf> ash_worksi: ah, right
[17:22] <blackflow> ash_worksi: "IDE" is done through syntax highlighting and various autocomplete modules and all..    language bindings, eg python, means the modules themselves are written in python, regardless of what the modules do
[17:22] <yeats> blackflow: not sure I understand, but it's not really important :-)
[17:22] <ash_worksi> blackflow: so it was a "just so you know, 'language bindings' (whatever that is) is not that"
[17:22] <compdoc> ioria, could be. I would just like to remove it, but cant without removing all the icons
[17:23] <ash_worksi> oooh
[17:23] <ash_worksi> neat
[17:23] <ash_worksi> thanks for all that
[17:23] <ppf> language bindings are important, because you _really_ don't want to write in  vimscript ;)
[17:23] <blackflow> yeats: vi by defaut is symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi which is symlink to vim.tiny       vim by default is symlink to /etc/alternatives/vim whhich is symlink to vim.basic
[17:23] <blackflow> yeats: that's default, and yes it can be changed with update-altenatives for vi but not vim, and for editors.
[17:23] <yeats> blackflow: okay, yeah we're on the same page then
[17:23] <ash_worksi> but but but
[17:24] <blackflow> ash_worksi: hmmmm?
[17:24] <ash_worksi> `vi` (now that vim is installed) is now capable of :help version8 ... so _something_ about `vi` changed
[17:24] <Deus402> i have just added a pile of new drives to my system, and have successfully created two mdadm arrays, however, i cannot seem to get them to stick through reboot. here is what i have done, can anyone spot where i have messed up?
[17:24] <Deus402> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmwsZCFKtW/
[17:25] <blackflow> ash_worksi: full blown vim is pulled in I'd say, the vim-runtime and all.  vi is just a symlink anyway, so...
[17:25] <blackflow> ash_worksi: so the extra files, helps and all became available
[17:25] <ioria> compdoc, dropbox stop && dbus-launch dropbox start
[17:26] <ash_worksi> blackflow: so does that mean at this point vi == vim ?
[17:26] <ash_worksi> (the commands)
[17:26] <blackflow> ash_worksi: I think it's still vim launched in compability mode
[17:26] <blackflow> note that it always WAS just ViM. except vi is compatibility mode command-wise, but it's ViM's code.
[17:26] <blackflow> confusing? :))
[17:27] <ash_worksi> to say the least
[17:27] <yeats> ash_worksi: the postinst for vim updates alternatives for vi and other variant commands to point to vim.basic if vim.basic is installed
[17:27] <ash_worksi> okay here's the important thing... how do I _check_ exactly what it is I'm using?
[17:27] <compdoc> ioria = genius. thanks!
[17:27] <ppf> some things just don't work in vi as they do in vim
[17:27] <blackflow> ash_worksi: okay, how about this.  it's ViM. but when you build ubuntu packages, you can vary the compile time options, mkay? so you're using the same codebase, but different compile time options. those are defining that vi, through vim.tiny will start vim codebase, but in compatibility mode.
[17:27] <ash_worksi> so that when someone tells me :execute '/' . @x I can tell them why it's not working
[17:27] <ioria> compdoc, ok np
[17:27] <ppf> mouse handling for instance
[17:28] <ppf> but that's just because vi switches these things of
[17:28] <ppf> it's still just vim
[17:28] <blackflow> ash_worksi: compatibility mode means how certain key bindings are mapped and what it does. being ViM source code and all, it make sense that when you pull in full vim, various additional help files become available so vi, which is vim in compat mode, now has access to.
[17:29] <ash_worksi> blackflow: I see
[17:29] <blackflow> ash_worksi: right so vim.tiny and vim.basic are build from teh same, VIM, codebase, with different compile time options and some other stuff methinks, but the point is, BOTH are VIM.
[17:30] <ash_worksi> so vim.<foo> describes what the program can do... vim.tiny could always show help, but without full, there were no help files to access
[17:30] <blackflow> I belive it's just tradition, and nothing else, that `vi` is present in the base installation and `vim` is something you install optionally.
[17:30] <ash_worksi> thank you blackflow sensei
[17:30] <blackflow> ash_worksi: exactly.  dpkg -L vim-runtime will show you those extra files that are installed
[17:32]  * blackflow is a Vim Cultist. Survived the war with Church of Emacs. Has scars to prove.
[17:32] <ash_worksi> see, that's the kind of thing that scares me
[17:32] <ash_worksi> there is SOOOOOOO much to vim
[17:33] <blackflow> ash_worksi: it has a steep learning curve, but once the muscle memory sets in, you become unrivaled demigod in how fast you can edit text.
[17:33] <ash_worksi> and if it by chance becomes deprecated, what did you learn all that for?
[17:33] <ash_worksi> I know, I've seen the magic before
[17:33] <blackflow> the scars are in that you Ctrl-W and close a Firefox tab because muscle memory says ctrl-w switches the buffer  (shift-tab does in FF)
[17:33] <blackflow> you edit Libreoffice docs with no vim bindings and you constantly hit ESC:w
[17:34] <ash_worksi> I always f'up ctrl+(shift)+C
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> perhaps continue in #ubuntu-discuss ?
[17:34] <ash_worksi> sorry
[17:34] <ash_worksi> I'll stop
[17:34] <blackflow> lotuspsychje: yup, yup. see, this brings back memories of the war..... :)
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: join there, we all there
[17:34]  * ash_worksi needs to get back to work anyway
[17:34] <ash_worksi> thanks though, everyone
[17:37] <blackflow> ash_worksi: just this: I don't think it'll ever be deprecated. it has very deep fanbase, and I see more and more programs having vim keybindings. its totally worth the time and effort to learn it.
[17:39] <vadi> According to lscpu, my MHz is at its minimum even though the temperature is fine and cpu governor is performance. I can't find anything weird in logs. What is going wrong?
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> vadi: can you tell us whats happening wrong in your system?
[17:39] <ash_worksi> blackflow: \m/
[17:39] <blackflow> vadi: why do you think anything is wrong at all? if you start a cpu intensive task, does it go up?
[17:39] <vadi> Yeah, it's running slow and the cpu speed is at its minimum
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> vadi: define whats going slow please? wich ubuntu version?
[17:40] <vadi> It does not go up when I start cpu-intensive tasks. 18.04
[17:41] <lotuspsychje> vadi: clean install or upgrade? wich graphics card/driver?
[17:41] <vadi> upgrade, intel/nvidia
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> vadi: from wich version?
[17:42] <blackflow> vadi: can you pastebin    lscpu  ?
[17:42] <vadi> https://hastebin.com/lixafeyeha.makefile
[17:43] <vadi> I upgraded from the previous version, you can't skip versions
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> vadi: some users upgraded from 16.04 too, hence the question
[17:45] <vadi> oh, okay
[17:45] <blackflow> vadi: what does   cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver     say?
[17:45] <fala> hi all
[17:45] <blackflow> ash_worksi: intel_pstate or something else?
[17:45] <vadi> intel_pstate
[17:45] <lotuspsychje> vadi: have you tested system speed with a 18.04 liveusb?
[17:45] <blackflow> oops vadi ^^^^
[17:45] <fala> usually wifi reconnects after dropping.but sometimes it will show the wifi log in screen already filled in,waiting to press on connect after that a new connection will form with #2 after the duplicate ssid.
[17:45] <vadi> I did not test a liveusb.
[17:46] <blackflow> vadi: what cpuintensive task did you try, btw?
[17:47] <vadi> I set a bunch of while loops to run in terminals
[17:47] <blackflow> vadi: and also what does   cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor    say?
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> fala: details please, ubuntu version, wifi chipset and driver?
[17:47] <vadi> performance
[17:47] <vadi> The whole system is just running slow which is why I noticed
[17:48] <vadi> Yet CPU temperature is fine (38)
[17:48] <blackflow> vadi: that'sa  bit weird then. please pastebin      grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> vadi: did your system work well at 17.10?
[17:49] <blackflow> vadi: infact use   cpu*  instead of  cpu0   in that grep path please
[17:49] <ash_worksi> ah
[17:49]  * ash_worksi was confused
[17:49] <blackflow> ash_worksi: sorry, I mistabbed
[17:49] <vadi> It also worked well in 18.04
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> vadi: aha? when did things went wrong?
[17:50] <vadi> I don't know.
[17:50] <vadi> blackflow: https://hastebin.com/rurilikacu.makefile
[17:50] <ash_worksi> :)
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> vadi: could it have been after an update?
[17:50] <vadi> Maybe!
[17:50] <vadi> I do not pay attention to them and I have that livepatch enabled.
[17:50] <notl33tenough> hey guys, where i can get more docklets for docky?
[17:51] <blackflow> vadi: somethings terribly wrong there. shows 6GHz as max freq? did you perchance try to overclock that thing somehow?
[17:51] <vadi> Yeah, that's correct
[17:52] <vadi> It's been that way for many months. Works ok.
[17:52] <stan_man_can_> Hey -- Is there any easy way to see how many requests per second my server is receiving?
[17:52] <vadi> There's a giant aftermarket cooler on it...
[17:52] <blackflow> vadi: what is correct? 6GHz??
[17:52] <vadi> Hey, it worked
[17:52] <blackflow> I think you burned that thing.... :)
[17:52] <blackflow> yeah,  ed. past tense.
[17:52] <oerheks>  lolz, burn that cpu, slowly
[17:52] <vadi> Don't mind if that's the case but why is it still working then?
[17:53] <stan_man_can_> according to nginx i'm getting about 400rps sustained with bursts up to 600-700 but i'd be interested if there's any other way to kinda see it live
[17:53] <fala> lotuspsychje: 16.04.4   .. driver=ath9k_htc  .. still looking for the chipset
[17:54] <blackflow> vadi: there's one thing you could try, try using cpufrequtils and try change it with that governor instead of intel pstate. I think you might need to reboot with  intel_pstate=disable    for that to work
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> !atheros | fala
[17:54] <blackflow> vadi: and if that doesn't chage it, I'd say you've permanently fried that thing.  6GHz!
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> fala: to see whats wrong exactly: from a terminal: tail -f /var/log/syslog and play a bit with wifi to see usefull errors
[17:55] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: other than usnig nginx status stub?
[17:56] <stan_man_can_> blackflow: yeah
[17:56] <stan_man_can_> like is there a way to directly show connections to the machine or something
[17:56] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: apachetop should work with nginx log files, the format is I believe identical by default. If not, you could change the format, OR find an apachetop -like tool but for nginx.
[17:57] <vadi> I have a feeling a fried cpu should not work
[17:57] <fala> lotuspsychje: tnx ,disconnection happens in long intervals,not that often,around 2x a day
[17:57] <stan_man_can_> blackflow: hm okay
[17:57] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: oh that... sure.  ss, netstat, ...
[17:57] <stan_man_can_> blackflow: i think i might have disabled nginx logs
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> fala: you could try another atheros driver/firmware perhaps
[17:57] <stan_man_can_> too much data
[17:57] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: well at that scale I don't blame you
[17:58] <stan_man_can_> yeah
[17:58] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: note that looking at raw socket states with ss or netstat, you'll see _FAR_ more of them due to transitional and wait states
[17:58] <mohnish_> What is the command to automatically install the appropriate drivers for my system?
[17:58] <stan_man_can_> it all runs on like a $40/m VPS so storage is a premium
[17:58] <stan_man_can_> blackflow: ahh nevermind then
[17:58] <reactiv3> Hi. A few days ago I was having problems with xrandr showing that my refresh rate is set to 60hz, while the true framerate of the monitor stayed capped at 50hz. The problem remains even after a o/s reinstall. A new weird discovery is that glxgears shows higher than 50hz on the first line, then drops back to 50hz. Output of glxgears and xrandr here: https://paste.ee/p/wgASI
[17:58] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: syslog + compression + large block size for nginx logs should help offsite those logs for archiving purposes tho'
[17:59] <stan_man_can_> yeah but we're literally talking about a billion requests a month
[17:59] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: they compress well, and with syslog you send them over network, dont' toouch local disks
[17:59] <fala> lotuspsychje: nmcli networking off / on seems to work for me.. are you good at scripting?
[17:59] <stan_man_can_> TBH, logging slows it down too! so much activity
[17:59] <mohnish_> What is the command to automatically install the appropriate drivers for my system? Anyone please?
[17:59] <reactiv3> reactiv3, I only have this problem with the native resolution
[17:59] <stan_man_can_> blackflow: ohhh i gotcha
[18:00] <stan_man_can_> i'll look into it man thanks a ton!
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[18:00] <blackflow> stan_man_can_: yah, especially with nginx logging block size, I'd go with 64k or more
[18:00] <mohnish_> lotuspsychje: Sudo apt-get?
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: no
[18:01] <mohnish_> ubuntu-drivers autoinstall, that's it??
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> fala: sorry scripting isnt for me :p
[18:01] <lotuspsychje> mohnish_: yeah, to check wich drivers available: ubuntu-drivers list
[18:02] <mohnish_> lotuspsychje: Thank you very much!
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> np mate
[18:03] <fala> lotuspsychje: tnx.gtg
[18:04] <genewitch> fresh install of ubuntu 18.04 desktop, with updates and 3rd party (or without those) crashes with this http://projectftm.com/#vP9DN6mhivWkCgA-tU6wxA that's all i ever see, it never goes any further, ctrl-alt-F keys don't do anything
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> genewitch: did you also try ctrl alt F3 and higher for tty?
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> genewitch: wich graphics card is that please?
[18:05] <genewitch> QEMU
[18:05] <genewitch> ctrl-alt-F{2,3,4,5,6,etc} do nothing
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> genewitch: tryed !nomodeset ?
[18:06] <BarnabasDK> lotuspsychje, +1
[18:07] <genewitch> it never shows grub
[18:08] <BarnabasDK> genewitch, do you have sshd running on it?
[18:08] <genewitch> fresh install
[18:08] <BarnabasDK> nah
[18:09] <BarnabasDK> how do you know it will not lead you back to the same problem?
[18:10] <genewitch> i am saying this is a fresh install
[18:10] <genewitch> sshd isn't on by default
[18:10] <BarnabasDK> ah ok, I thought you where planning something :-)
[18:10] <BarnabasDK> true
[18:11] <BarnabasDK> is there anyway to keep shift depressed while booting a qemu / kvm?
[18:11] <BarnabasDK> should spawn grub
[18:12] <BarnabasDK> that is the virtual shift for the image naturally
[18:13] <genewitch> i'm in the guest filesystem
[18:13] <BarnabasDK> so who have access to the host filesystem? seems that you need that
[18:14] <genewitch> i'm in it, do i edit grub.cfg for the menuentry for ubuntu one the linux line and add !nomodeset
[18:14] <genewitch> ?
[18:14] <BarnabasDK> yeah but you need to also be able to do a update-grub
[18:14] <BarnabasDK> in the client os
[18:14] <genewitch> chroot
[18:14] <genewitch> got it
[18:14] <BarnabasDK> ah
[18:14] <BarnabasDK> check
[18:16] <Deus402> i am totally stumped as to why mdadm will not find my raid array after rebooting, would anyone be so kind as to peek at what i've done and try to decipher where i messed up? here is the pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmwsZCFKtW/
[18:17] <Deus402> everything works fine until the reboot, is there something else i should be doing besides adding them to /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf and /etc/fstab?
[18:19] <genewitch> grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem. <--- qhat
[18:24] <BarnabasDK> genewitch, are you using virsh from your host os?
[18:25] <genewitch> chroot
[18:25] <genewitch> not virsh
[18:25] <BarnabasDK> I have to say I haven't tried either. But read this
[18:25] <BarnabasDK> http://www.jaredlog.com/?p=1484
[18:25] <BarnabasDK> maybe it is of no use to you
[18:26] <BarnabasDK> but it seems that virsh has ways to boot an image to console
[18:26] <BarnabasDK> please correct me if I am wrong
[18:29] <BarnabasDK> maybe you can get a console boot though chroot as well? would make sense - anyone ?
[18:31] <genewitch> BarnabasDK: root@SirPrize:/etc# find . -name tty1.conf
[18:31] <genewitch> nothing
[18:31] <genewitch> there's only three files in /etc/init, because, see, we're note using openRC anymore
[18:31] <BarnabasDK> genewitch, so was that in the root os or the guest?
[18:32] <genewitch> guest
[18:33] <BarnabasDK> genewitch, you have exhausted my knowledge of the subject I am afraid
[18:34] <genewitch> that's ok
[18:35] <BarnabasDK> all we can do is try :-)
[18:36]  * BarnabasDK pokes ppl
[18:36] <BarnabasDK> anyone?
[18:37] <lotuspsychje> genewitch: best way to get your issue solved is to re-ask once in a while/all in one line with details,steps taken etc
[18:37] <alexm_> Hello! Is it possible to configure multi-seat with propietary nvidia video driver in Ubuntu 16.04 LTS? It work normaly with x.org x server, but not login in second seat after installing nvidia propr driver.
[18:38] <alexm_> I need help, please.
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> !patience | alex
[18:38] <asdfgh> hello
[18:39] <asdfgh> i cannot install ubuntu 18.04 from usb
[18:39] <asdfgh> i see the GRUB shell when i start the USV...
 google search didnt help me.
[18:40] <BarnabasDK> asdfgh, can you boot your usb
[18:40] <asdfgh> https://ibb.co/b5czry
[18:40] <BarnabasDK> forget install for now
[18:40] <asdfgh> i see this when i boot with usb
[18:40] <asdfgh> BarnabasDK, why?
[18:41] <BarnabasDK> because you have to boot the os on your usb stick. that is what does the install to your hard drive
[18:41] <asdfgh> BarnabasDK, i have win 10 pro right now
[18:42] <asdfgh> i would like to change it with 18.04
[18:42] <asdfgh> what can i do ?
[18:42] <asdfgh> BarnabasDK, i have copied the .iso files inside the USB
[18:42] <BarnabasDK> first of all is this your pc? not your companys / where your work?
[18:42] <asdfgh> BarnabasDK, sure, it is my pc
[18:42] <asdfgh> why? :)
[18:43] <BarnabasDK> because if your company have given you a pc they decide what os you run
[18:43] <genewitch> well, copying the iso files to the usb using what software, asdfgh
[18:43] <asdfgh> genewitch, copy and paste :) (with hidden files too)
[18:44] <sweb> WTF with netplan http://uupload.ir/files/ybm1_screenshot_from_2018-07-18_23-12-54.png ... ping DUP i can connect to my virtual box bridge adapter ... it's simple adapter that bridge to my wifi interface ...
[18:44] <asdfgh> BarnabasDK, no problem it is my pc
[18:44] <sweb> netplay is real pain in my @$$
[18:44] <sweb> netplan*
[18:44] <BarnabasDK> asdfgh, just to make sure, if you are trying to install on your own hw .. no problem, if you are trying to replace windows on a corporate pc, some admin will get you fired .. just saying ..
[18:45] <asdfgh> BarnabasDK, yes i understand eheh
 disable safe and legacy boot in BIOS before installation.
[18:45] <asdfgh> no problem
[18:45] <BarnabasDK> check
[18:45] <asdfgh> alexm_, ok
[18:46] <BarnabasDK> asdfgh,  if you have something called "safeboot" enable that in bios
[18:46] <asdfgh> hmmm enable or not
[18:46] <BarnabasDK> one of the new things in 18.04 afaik
[18:46] <asdfgh> ?
[18:47] <asdfgh> alexm_, said not
[18:47] <BarnabasDK> what is it now?
[18:47] <BarnabasDK> try the opposite
[18:47] <asdfgh> idnot know
[18:47] <asdfgh> ok
[18:47] <alexm_> try to disable
[18:47] <BarnabasDK> look in your bios
[18:47] <BarnabasDK> yes
[18:47] <BarnabasDK> and let us hear back
[18:47] <asdfgh> ok i try thanks
 boot without UEFI
[18:48] <BarnabasDK> alexm +1
[18:48] <BarnabasDK> true
[18:49] <BarnabasDK> but boot with uefi is nice now it is possible with os's not ms
[18:49] <BarnabasDK> so it should be encuraged
[18:49] <p1l0t> So I think I messed up my /boot mount since when I restart my laptop it says no such device, must load kernel first, etc.. Here is the boot-repair output http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YbFNSf5DjC/
[18:50] <genewitch> you can't just copy and paste the iso files to a USB stick
[18:50] <p1l0t> I'm not sure if I need to reinstall grub or simply fix my mounts
[18:52] <mr_lou> I was once able to zoom a window in Nautilus, and it would increase the font size. This doesn't happen anymore. :-/
[18:54] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, did you upgrade to the newest lts -- then you changed from unity to gnome afaik. things changed (back to normal)
[18:55] <mr_lou> Probably. Don't remember.
[18:55] <p1l0t> ls
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou,
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> lsb_release -a
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> in a terminal
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> ctrl-t
[18:56] <BarnabasDK> just to know what os  you use
[18:56] <mr_lou> No LSB modules are available.
[18:56] <mr_lou> Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> ok you are still on the old version of ubuntu (which is fine if that is what you want)
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> no problem
[18:57] <genewitch> 16.04 is LTS, in fact afaik 14.04 is still supported
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> support still
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> yes
[18:57] <BarnabasDK> no problem
[18:59] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou - your Ubuntu install is under support, and I do not have an answer - so - anyone?
[18:59] <mr_lou> :-)
[19:00] <mr_lou> Maybe Nautilus is just using a font that doesn't magnify...
[19:00] <BarnabasDK> first things first ;-)
[19:01] <Soul_Sample> mr_lou: i don't remember ever seeing that behavior in nautilus
[19:01] <mr_lou> mkay
[19:01] <Soul_Sample> when were you last able to do it?
[19:02] <mr_lou> I just press CTRL and + to zoom my window.  Line hieght gets higher, but the font stays small.
[19:02] <mr_lou> er... height even
[19:02] <mr_lou> It's been like that for ages.
[19:02] <mr_lou> But it worked long ago.
[19:03] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou and you are using a vector based font I hope?
[19:03] <mr_lou> Dunno...
[19:03]  * mr_lou looks for font settings in Nautilus....
[19:04] <BarnabasDK> if it is bitmap it does not scale
[19:04] <BarnabasDK> or maybe - what font do you use
[19:05] <BarnabasDK> and could you try another (scalable)
[19:07] <p1l0t> Is it normal that my /boot folder is on a seperate partition?
[19:07] <mr_lou> Hm, I can't figure out where the font settings for Nautilus are
[19:07] <nacc> p1l0t: yes
[19:07] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, try the "tweak tool"
[19:08] <BarnabasDK> or "gnome tweak tool"
[19:08] <BarnabasDK> should be in your apt
[19:08] <p1l0t> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YbFNSf5DjC/ when I boot up grub says no such device, must load kernel first, etc..
[19:09] <Lost_Goat> Has anyone done a mail server before on their ubuntu server?
[19:09] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, should be able to delve into the deeper parts of the user config of gnome
[19:09] <BarnabasDK> also the font
[19:10] <nacc> Lost_Goat: you want #ubuntu-server, but also unless you really know what you're doing, you probably don't want to run your own mail server
[19:10] <genewitch> BarnabasDK, lotuspsychje: hitting escape realy fast in VNC while it was rebooting alowed me to get into the grub thing, i added console=ttyS0 and now i have a serial port
[19:10] <mr_lou> Alright. Installed gnome-tweak-tool. Fonts are set to "Ubuntu", "Ubuntu Regular", "Sans Regular" and "Ubuntu Mono Regular"
[19:10] <genewitch> it looks like the installer didn't actually perform any updates, so i am doing that first
[19:10] <Lost_Goat> nacc: Im going to give it a try for some experiments but thanks for the tip
[19:11] <nacc> p1l0t: dunno, someone can i'm sure help you figure out what's wrong with the config
[19:11] <BarnabasDK> genewitch, super
[19:11] <BarnabasDK> genewitch, still grub shold be available
[19:12] <p1l0t> I am trying to figure out if I can simply fix the partitions or if I need to reinstall grub
[19:12] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, that sound very standard
[19:12] <BarnabasDK> you still cannot see the text?
[19:13] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, changes in the tweak tool require a reload
[19:14] <BarnabasDK> alt+f2
[19:14] <BarnabasDK> type r
[19:14] <mr_lou> oh
[19:14] <BarnabasDK> mr_not obvious .. just the way it is
[19:14] <BarnabasDK> r for reload
[19:17] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, you still there?
[19:18] <ceibal> inachete
[19:18] <ceibal> lucaspc lucaspc
[19:18] <leftyfb> !bg | ceibal
[19:19] <mr_lou> BarnabasDK, Yea, but I kinda gave up. Too much happening around me at the moment. Sorry.
[19:19] <BarnabasDK> mr_lou, NP
[19:19] <mr_lou> BarnabasDK, Will look into it later again.
[19:19] <BarnabasDK> check
[19:20] <tonsofpcs> so... I have the 'live' server disc but how do I get to a 'live' console?  Alt+f2 gives me another terminal but it's not at a prompt of any kind
[19:23] <ioria> tonsofpcs, still not tried the live version ... but probably is ctrl+alt+fx
[19:24] <tonsofpcs> err, yea, sorry, that's what it was.  But there's no atual prompt, just a getty with a motd and "this is terminal /dev/tty2" or similar
[19:27] <ryuo> tonsofpcs: ? which ISO?
[19:27] <p1l0t> ls
[19:28] <tonsofpcs> hmmm, just rebooted and tried switching to a different console as installer was loading and was able to get to it
[19:28] <tonsofpcs> ryuo: ubuntu-18.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:32] <ryuo> tonsofpcs: curious. i had no issues.
[19:32] <ioria> maybe just a delay
[19:39] <lvrp16> is there a simple way to do quadranting like on 16.04...the complete UX change is bizarre. every OS maintains UX consistency and Ubuntu just threw it out the window with bionic.
[19:39] <lvrp16> control alt + numberpad
[19:39] <lvrp16> super useful feature...
[19:39] <ffejj> got a tty question... my tty1 font setting isn't saved after reboot (but tty2-6 are saved..) any idea how i can fix that?
[19:40] <ffejj> TiTTY :)
[19:40] <lvrp16> or is there a fork with compiz?
[19:40] <ryuo> lvrp16: maybe you can get what you're wanting from Ubuntu Mate?
[19:41] <ryuo> It has a number of modes that can emulate other UXs.
[19:42] <asdfgh> hello
[19:42] <asdfgh> nothing to do i cannot install ubuntu 18.04 from usb
[19:42] <asdfgh> why is so diffocult to install ubuntu via USB?
[19:42] <asdfgh> UEFI, safe mode etc etc soo boring
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> lvrp16: Ubuntu didn't throw the UX out the window. The replaced the Unity manager with Gnome. The commands you are looking for are slightly different
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> !enter asdfgh
[19:43] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | asdfgh
[19:43] <ffejj> asdfgh: idk i installed it from usb
[19:43] <asdfgh> ffejj, i have win 10 pro
[19:43] <ryuo> asdfgh: so... you want to dual boot?
[19:43] <asdfgh> i have tried to disable safe mode on USB but i cannot use USB devicies...so i have reset the CMOS
[19:43] <asdfgh> ryuo,  no no linux only
[19:44] <ryuo> asdfgh: do you mean secure boot?
[19:44] <asdfgh> i do not remember it exactly...i have siables legacy...
[19:44] <asdfgh> i have an asrock pro 4s
[19:45] <asdfgh> if i disabled it ...it does not see keyboard and mouse during the boot time... but i can use it right now...only during the boot
[19:45] <asdfgh> so i must enable it
[19:46] <asdfgh> ryuo, what can i do?
[19:48] <ioria> asdfgh, how did you do the usb ( with what software, i mean )  ?
[19:48] <asdfgh> ioria, just copy and paste the .iso files (with hidden files too)=
[19:48] <ioria> asdfgh, wrong
[19:49]  * ryuo sighs.
[19:49] <asdfgh> ioria, why?
[19:49] <ioria> asdfgh, you cannot copy paste an iso
[19:49] <asdfgh> ioria, i mounted it and copied the files inside the .iso files
[19:49] <asdfgh> why is this wrong ?
[19:49] <ioria> asdfgh, use rufus
[19:50] <ryuo> asdfgh: because it doesn't setup the USB for booting. that can only work for UEFI mode, but that requires special formatting.
[19:51] <ryuo> asdfgh: As they said, use Rufus to prepare the stick.
[19:51] <asdfgh> hmm ok my wrong i am installing that software
[19:52] <ryuo> Though, I haven't needed to format a USB stick in like 2 years, thanks to my Iodd2531. \o/
[19:52] <hggdh> asdfgh: boot devices have special partitions. When you copy & paste, you are doing this all under the existing filesystem, not the actual device
[19:53] <asdfgh> hggdh, ok
[19:54] <asdfgh> it say DD image or ISO image
[19:54] <asdfgh> which one ?
[19:54] <ryuo> ISO probably.
[19:54] <asdfgh> ok i try
[19:54] <ryuo> dd is probably referring to how you could do it from Linux.
[19:54] <asdfgh> ok
[19:54] <ryuo> Since all Ubuntu live cds are now hybrids...
[19:55] <asdfgh> ryuo, ok i try it right now
[19:55] <asdfgh> thank you
[19:55] <asdfgh> it is coping the files
[19:55] <asdfgh> then i reboot crossing fingers
[19:55] <someone235> hey, When I suspend my laptop, and I open it back, my session is not restored. Someone knows what could be the reason?
[19:56] <asdfgh> done
[19:56] <asdfgh> i go
[19:56] <asdfgh> thanks
[19:58] <pragmaticenigma> someone235: Some computers do not support power state levels in their default conditions. Googling for your computer manufacture with "Ubuntu Suspend" will likely find a page that has instructions on what to do
[19:59] <ryuo> pragmaticenigma: would you happen to have any advice for how to debug a kernel level input issue? I have brightness keys that are mapped to microphone mute for some reason...
[20:00] <lvrp16> pragmaticenigma: i tried really hard to restore the functionality in gnome 3, couldn't get it the same
[20:01] <pragmaticenigma> ryuo: I don't know much about kernel level stuff... You are looking for key mapping
[20:01] <TJ-> ryuo: that /could/ be caused by a platform driver (e.g. asus, lenovo, dell) mis-identifying the PC and sending the wrong events
[20:02] <ryuo> TJ-: quite possible. It's a newer model HP ProBook released this year.
[20:02] <ryuo> I already submitted a patch through Ubuntu to fix an audio LED issue.
[20:02] <TJ-> ryuo: might be worth trying a mainline kernel build, and/or checking the Linux commit logs for the HP platform drivers, to see if it has been addressed
[20:03] <ryuo> TJ-: i doubt it. I also tried Arch recently just to see if it changed anything.
[20:03] <ryuo> Same behavior.
[20:03] <TJ-> ryuo: does it happen only with the GUI, or from a VT console too?
[20:03] <ryuo> TJ-: both.
[20:04] <ryuo> TJ-: i also tried other distros without systemd for comparison. the problem is the kernel reporting them as the same scan code.
[20:04] <tonsofpcs> ioria / ryuo - more like the opposite of a delay - worked when I told it "Install" then quickly hopped to a different terminal.  When I tried answering a question or two first it didn't.
[20:04] <TJ-> ryuo: right, so you confirmed that, that is a positive step, so focus on the platform and/or input drivers
[20:05] <ryuo> TJ-: yea, but i'm out of ideas for now. I'm not much of a kernel hacker.
[20:05] <TJ-> ryuo: report a bug via b.k.o or the linux-input mailing list - the latter is likely to get more attention than bugzilla
[20:05] <ryuo> I think i'll report my findngs to the bug tracker.
[20:05] <ryuo> the LED issue was trivial... the fix was already in kernel, just needed my HW ids to apply it.
[20:10] <hashwagon> Can anyone recommend me a channel to answer a CPU question I have? I'm wondering if the Intel Xeon E3-1220 (BX80662E31220V5) has a integrated graphics.
[20:11] <hashwagon> nvm, ty
[20:13] <TJ-> Intel Ark usually can answer those type of questions
[20:16] <ryuo> hashwagon: https://ark.intel.com/products/52269/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1220-8M-Cache-3_10-GHz
[20:16] <ryuo> It's usually the first result whenever you search for the model # of an intel CPU.
[20:23] <dunnousernamefn> I just entered '\' into nautilus search by accident and it crashed ._.
[20:23] <effortDee> lol
[20:25] <dunnousernamefn> I'm trying to link with this library and the `gcc -D[super long chain of defines] -I[many directories] *.c` strategy isn't working
[20:26] <dunnousernamefn> It's using some private include file that isn't in include/, but in src/, and it includes a bunch of c files I think so I end up destroying everything by doing that
[20:27] <dunnousernamefn> I can't compile without knowing the size of a struct, right?
[20:27] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: That's what Makefiles are for!
[20:28] <dunnousernamefn> This library doesn't even build any type of library except a .la
[20:28] <dunnousernamefn> I've tried running `make` and that's all it does
[20:28] <dunnousernamefn> TJ-, it's using this weird automake and autoconfigure, and it's really scary
[20:29] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: .la is a libtool archive
[20:29] <dunnousernamefn> It's not a static archive?
[20:29] <dunnousernamefn> It also has some pkg-config file
[20:30] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: that's a cross-platform description of the library; libtool can create the correct format of library (.DLL, .SO, etc.) based on the host (or target)
[20:30] <dunnousernamefn> ooooooh
[20:31] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: see https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1238035/what-are-libtools-la-file-for#1238079
[20:33] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: for the autotools there's usually a series of preparatory steps, e.g. ./autogen.sh, autoconf, automake, ./configure, make
[20:33] <dunnousernamefn> Yes, I ran all those
[20:33] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: what is the library?
[20:33] <dunnousernamefn> https://github.com/llamasoft/secp256k1_fast_unsafe
[20:34] <dunnousernamefn> I'm trying to access the header src/secp256k1_batch.h or something
[20:34] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: from your own code?
[20:34] <dunnousernamefn> yes
[20:35] <Deus402> here is what i am getting in syslog on boot regarding my mdadm raid 0:
[20:35] <Deus402> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3kXcpqzB7s/
[20:36] <TJ-> well, for compiling, that just requires that path to be added to your own project's include path with -I../relative/path/to/target/dir and an #include <filename> in the source
[20:36] <TJ-> (or an absolute path of course)
[20:37] <dunnousernamefn> but if you look in the path it includes OTHER source files
[20:37] <Edisto> I have a ntfs drive mounted with umask=0027, my vlc gives me an mrl error which appears to be related to permissions. How can I get vlc to access files as a group or user rather than other?
[20:37] <TJ-> Deus402: the system has 2 mdadm arrays?
[20:37] <blackflow> Deus402: and what does the status of the service say? Why did it fail?
[20:37] <dunnousernamefn> I'm going to fiddle with libtool a bit more
[20:38] <p1l0t> nacc: blackflow: Thanks for the help I did finally get it all working. On top of your suggestions I had to reinstall my grub with lvm enabled and then the magestic Bionic Beaver appeared.
[20:38] <TJ-> dunnousernamefn: right, because that include file is *private*, not meant to be used externally
[20:38] <Deus402> TJ- yes, two arrays
[20:38] <dunnousernamefn> that's weird because it's mentioned in the README as a feature
[20:38] <blackflow> p1l0t: yw
[20:38] <dunnousernamefn> yet that feature cannot be accessed from outside
[20:38] <Deus402> blackflow: status of what service? mdadm?
[20:39] <TJ-> Deus402: both arrays are Stripes (RAID-0) ?
[20:39] <blackflow> Deus402: yeh but I misread that output, it's .device, not service.  so anything in dmesg? why did it fail?
[20:40] <TJ-> Deus402: have you checked both arrays for integrity using mdadm ?
[20:40] <Deus402> i just created them, it all works fine until i reboot.
[20:40] <Deus402> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p3k7BCGHVD/
[20:41] <blackflow> Deus402: yeah device disappeared, but why. is theere an error in dmesg?
[20:42] <Deus402> lemme check
[20:43] <TJ-> Deus402: what are the underlying devices? real disks, LVM LVs, iSCSI network storage, something else?
[20:45] <Whiskey> How do i get autologin work on Ubuntu 18.04 Mate?
[20:46] <oerheks> https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/auto-login-to-my-account/11277
[20:46] <Deus402> blackflow, TJ- : underlying devices are sata hdd's conected to lsi 9211-8i cards, and i don't see anythign that jumps out at me in dmesg, but here is all of it in case i missed something: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DZZNbSTftY/
[20:47] <oerheks> so easy to find
[20:47] <Whiskey> i have try that
[20:47] <Deus402> and here is my original work creating the arrays: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmwsZCFKtW/
[20:49] <Whiskey> like
[20:49] <blackflow> Deus402: you have five drives in Raid0? So those will store data that can disappear at any moment with no consequence to it?
[20:49] <Whiskey> - /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf is empty
[20:50] <TJ-> Deus402: ahhh, the drives are in an external enclosure?
[20:50] <oerheks> Whiskey, don't edit that, just change "password: ask on login..."
[20:51] <Whiskey> i have
[20:51] <Whiskey> but i have 2 users
[20:51] <oerheks> and please don't ask how to do this on terminal
[20:51] <Whiskey> root and my desktop user
[20:51] <Deus402> TJ-, no, drives are internal. i have a silly case.
[20:51] <Whiskey> on the login window one needs password other one don´t but its not auto-login
[20:51] <oerheks> ..root? oh, that is disabled.
[20:52] <isomorphismes> really basic linux question, sorry. I am doing sudo chgrp programmers `pwd`; sudo chmod g+w `pwd`; but then touch a in `pwd` fails due to permissions
[20:53] <Whiskey> so no one knows then
[20:53] <blackflow> Deus402: what's /proc/mdstat now, after that failure? Are the devices listed? Can you try rescan and reassemble them?
[20:53] <Deus402> blackflow, i have a total of 11 drives in raid 0, i like to live dangerously.
[20:53] <TJ-> Deus402: ahhh, I ask because the driver looks to be doing some port multiplexing, is that the case, or is each drive on a separate SATA header ?
[20:54] <Deus402> tj-: sas -> sata forward breakout cables
[20:54] <TJ-> Deus402: can you show us "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk )"
[20:55] <Deus402> i can, but it is also like the first thing in this pastebin: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KmwsZCFKtW/
[20:56] <Deus402> TJ-: here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SWkM4gJH74/
[20:56] <isomorphismes> (I am member of programmers, according to `getent group programmers`)
[20:56] <blackflow> Deus402: right, so /proc/mdstat?  Also please pastebin    mdadm --examine '/dev/sd*'
[20:56] <asdfgh> ryuo, back
[20:56] <oerheks> Whiskey, why did you enable root account? your issue is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo?#root_account  ,.. unless you don' t have ubuntu at all
[20:56] <TJ-> Deus402: OK, didn't see you'd got that already, looking now
[20:56] <asdfgh> running ubuntu 18.04 :)
[20:57] <Deus402> blackflow: here is the mdstat: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8yRMxsjF4R/
[20:58] <blackflow> Deus402: yeah, it doesn't see them, I wonder why, could be you have bad blocks somwhere, after all yo've got 5x greater probability of failure with that
[20:59] <TJ-> Deus402: my best guess is that because you didn't wipe the existing partition tables from those drives, that is causing a conflict. When they are seen the system may be doing something else with their content which causes mdadm to fail out, although they don't actually seem to disappear
[21:00] <Deus402> blackflow: mdadm --examine -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P87GRgTYdX/
[21:00] <blackflow> TJ-: mdadm would bark at that though
[21:00] <ryuo> Raid0? ... No comment.
[21:01] <blackflow> ryuo: a 5-disk RAID0. :)
[21:01] <Deus402> also, i had previously zeroed out the superblocks and deleted all partitions before i started the first time...
[21:01] <Deus402> 5 8tb disks at that, heh.
[21:01] <asdfgh> guys how can i install last nvidia drivers ?
[21:01] <asdfgh> i m running 18.94
[21:01] <asdfgh> 18.04
[21:02] <blackflow> Deus402: that doesn't look right at all, you sure those steps you pastebin'd are exactly what you did? the array worked before reboot?
[21:02] <oerheks> asdfgh, use the driver tool in updates
[21:02] <asdfgh> oerheks, i see old drivers there
[21:02] <blackflow> Deus402: maybe the '/dev/sd*' syntax is wrong, it's been a while since I mdadm'd. Can you --examine just one of them? Say, sda?
[21:02] <asdfgh> i think i need to add something in sources.list
[21:03] <Deus402> blackflow: yes, array works fine before reboot. perhaps we should back up and make sure i'm creating it right?
[21:03] <ryuo> blackflow: i stopped using mdadm awhile back... no idea why people still use it with the options we have now.
[21:03] <TJ-> Deus402: what happens if you manually assemble the arrays?
[21:05] <blackflow> ryuo: Yeah I'd slap ZFS on that thing like there's no tomorrow. RAID0 included if it has to be :) But ZFS.
[21:05] <asdfgh> oerheks, 390 are the last?
[21:05] <ryuo> blackflow: that's the default mode of ZFS if you don't specify another. lol
[21:05] <TJ-> Deus402: have you recreated the arrays several times? I'm wondering about the report "/dev/sda appears to be part of a raid array:"
[21:05] <ryuo> asdfgh: latest, not last.
[21:05] <asdfgh> pardon
[21:05] <asdfgh> :)
[21:05] <Deus402> blackflow: gives the same output as the last pastebin, but just for sda. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P87GRgTYdX/ vs https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h8x7mbS8hr/
[21:06] <Deus402> TJ-: yes, it reports that but asks if i want to blow it away anyways, and then it works.
[21:06] <blackflow> Deus402: yeah that's not a valid array member. I'd recommend you zero superblocks, and then overwrite with some dd if=/dev/zero magick first and last GB of each drive (gpt backup is at the end)
[21:07] <blackflow> Deus402: but, if you're feeling adventurous, why not ZFS ;)
[21:07] <TJ-> Deus402: OK, so that's just because you're overwriting the previous array metadata
[21:07] <Deus402> zfs makes my head hurt. i came to ubuntu from freebsd...
[21:07] <ryuo> blackflow: if they do, they'd be better off using mirror or raidz.
[21:07] <TJ-> Deus402: what happens if you manually assemble rather than letting systemd/sysv scripts do it?
[21:08] <Deus402> what is it, mdadm --scan --assemble?
[21:08] <ryuo> Deus402: why do you want to use raid0? is your data not important?
[21:08] <blackflow> TJ-: there's no array members, look at the --examine output
[21:08] <blackflow> Deus402: If I were you, I'd zero the superblocks, nuke first and last GB of eachdisk, and retry the procedure.
[21:09] <Deus402> yuck, but ok.
[21:09] <blackflow> (actually if I were you, I'd go ZFS, but....)
[21:09] <ryuo> blackflow: evidently they don't like it, for some reason.
[21:10] <ryuo> perhaps BTRFS would be more their thing.
[21:10] <blackflow> hey even btrfs would be fine, if mdadm raid0 is fine. btrfs is then pure liquid gold.
[21:10] <TJ-> Deus402: e.g "mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md0"
[21:10] <ryuo> blackflow: brown gold. :P
[21:10] <blackflow> heh
[21:10] <vavkamil> hello
[21:11] <vavkamil> can I somehow set date in english?
[21:11] <ryuo> though, if i were to use mdadm these days, i'd probably do it on top of dm-integrity.
[21:11] <ryuo> kinda useless in RAID0 though.
[21:12] <Deus402> TJ- returns no output and doesn't seem to do anything, checkign logs.
[21:12] <blackflow> the only way I'd touch mdadm these days is indirectly, through RedHat's Stratis. If that even uses mdadm, I think it does.
[21:12] <TJ-> Deus402: check "cat /proc/mdstat"
[21:13] <Deus402> Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10]
[21:13] <Deus402> unused devices: <none>
[21:13] <blackflow> we've been through this tho'
[21:13] <TJ-> Deus402: check that the mdadm.conf entries for both arrays contain the SAME UUID as the metadata on the disk from the --detail report shows
[21:13] <ryuo> blackflow: does mdadm get confused if drive letters change?
[21:13] <blackflow> mdstat empty, no array memebers, they're not there or the kernel is not seeing them as such
[21:14] <snee_> hello, i really need some help. there is nothing on google ive searched for hours. how on earth do i make a wireless pci adapter work with ubuntu 18.04 work?
[21:14] <Deus402> going to do the zero superblocks and write zeros to the drive thing, brb.
[21:14] <TJ-> ryuo: no, it uses metadata on-disk (it is using metadata v1.2 )
[21:14] <snee_> any help appreciated
[21:14] <ryuo> ok. i've never used a disk array this complex.
[21:14] <blackflow> ryuo: I don't think so, it uses uuids
[21:14] <ryuo> so, i was wondering myself.
[21:15] <blackflow> Deus402: btw, any reason you don't want ot btrfs or zfs that thing? It's way easier and better than mdam, even if you stripe all the disks
[21:15] <TJ-> Deus402: e.g. "mdadm --zero-superblock --force /dev/sda"
[21:15] <Deus402> can i cheat and do the /sd[a-j] thing?
[21:16] <TJ-> Deus402: of course, that's the shell expanding those, not mdadm, so it ends up as a load of space-seperated full drive names
[21:16] <snee_> hello, i really need some help. there is nothing on google ive searched for hours. how on earth do i make a wireless pci adapter work with ubuntu 18.04?
[21:16] <nacc> snee_: don't just repeat your question, please
[21:16] <snee_> lspci doesnt show any kerne drive in use
[21:16] <nacc> snee_: what adapter, what have you tried, etc.
[21:16] <ryuo> snee_: paste output of this please: lspci -vnvn
[21:16] <TJ-> Deus402: e.g. you could equally do "echo /dev/sd[a-d,l]" to see the same effect
[21:16] <snee_> adapter is BCM43602
[21:17] <Deus402> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SJYDSRYsxj/
[21:17] <ryuo> UGh. Broadcom.
[21:17] <nacc> yeah, just get a different one :)
[21:17] <nacc> that would be my honest first choice; but let's see what's out there
[21:17] <ryuo> nacc: not necessarily an option.
[21:17] <nacc> ryuo: i know.
[21:18] <snee_> ryou the thing is i managed to get it working with this https://github.com/DH-Box/dh-usb/issues/8 but that gets reset after restart
[21:18] <snee_> how do i make it permanent
[21:18] <blackflow> Deus402: right, you can't cheat like that. that shell expansion  does multiple arguments, not multiple iterations of the command
[21:18] <blackflow> Deus402: for D in a b c d ; do mdadm --zero-superblock --force /dev/sd${D} ; done
[21:19] <nacc> snee_: that appears to be supported by the brcmfmac driver
[21:19] <nacc> snee_: https://wiki.debian.org/brcmfmac similar instructions should apply here
[21:20] <Deus402> blackflow: gives the same output if i just do one at a time...
[21:20] <nacc> snee_: the firmware is in the linux-firmware pacakge
[21:20] <TJ-> Deus402: so something definitely wrong there
[21:20] <nacc> snee_: have you tried loading that module?
[21:20] <Deus402> it's almost like mdadm isn't writing the superblock when it's created, so when i reboot it doesn't know wth to do....
[21:20] <Deus402> *when the raid is created
[21:21] <TJ-> Deus402: I'm wondering if the controller is putting the devices to sleep
[21:21] <snee_> nacc how? theres no docs for that
[21:21] <snee_> as in straighforward ones
[21:21] <nacc> snee_: `sudo modprobe brcmfmac`
[21:21] <TJ-> Deus402: your previous pastes show the metadata is there, and you mounted the devices too
[21:21] <nacc> snee_: not sure you need docs for that.
[21:22] <snee_> does that persist after restart
[21:22] <ryuo> snee_: are you sure that's how you "fix" t?
[21:22] <nacc> snee_: you need the '-extras' kernel pacakge
[21:22] <ryuo> snee_: No.
[21:22] <nacc> snee_: what doesn't persist?
[21:22] <nacc> snee_: are you saying if you simply load the module after you boot, the device works?
[21:23] <TJ-> Deus402: can you read the drives directly? "sudo dd if=/dev/sda count=16 | hexdump -C"
[21:23] <snee_> ah yes nacc, i have done what you said already. but if i restart my machine it stops wroking again
[21:23] <nacc> snee_: and again, if you then just load the module, it works?
[21:23] <snee_> yes it works
[21:24] <snee_> how do i persist it
[21:24] <nacc> snee_: add brcmfmac to /etc/modules and then run `update-initramfs -k all`
[21:24] <nacc> and reboot
[21:24] <Deus402> TJ- https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vXnfX95fgT/
[21:25] <Deus402> already started zeroing sda
[21:25] <snee_> nacc for a noob, could you please elaborate how i add brcmfmac to /etc/modules please?
[21:25] <nacc> snee_: it's a text file
[21:25] <nacc> snee_: add the string "brcmfmac" to the file
[21:25] <blackflow> Deus402: after you zero all the disks (imho first and last GB suffices), reboot just in case
[21:25] <nacc> snee_: on its own line
[21:27] <TJ-> Deus402: OK, so the disks are readable. That shows there's a GPT with an EFI system partition defined (which was why the original creation of the array warned about an existing partition table)
[21:27] <snee_> initramfs -k all throws a you must specify at leas one of -c, -u, -d
[21:27] <snee_> nacc
[21:28] <nacc> snee_: sorry, `sudo update-initramfs -u -k all`
[21:28] <TJ-> Deus402: is this Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[21:29] <snee_> tangentially, what is /boot/initrd.img-4********-generic?
[21:29] <genewitch> http://projectftm.com/#k-_bzocRM-BqrGIFF4bf4A completely fixed bionic with a serial console by running apt upgrade
[21:29] <genewitch> that's it
[21:30] <genewitch> i was able to append "console=ttyS0" to the kernel command line by spamming the ESC key during boot in VNC
[21:31] <Deus402> tj- yeah, 16.04 lts
[21:31] <snee_> lol nacc didnt work
[21:31] <nacc> snee_: the initramfs for the corresponding kernel
[21:31] <qwebirc13364> test
[21:32] <nacc> snee_: oh sorry, it might have moved
[21:32] <nacc> snee_: try adding the same line to /etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf
[21:33] <nacc> snee_: run the update-initramfs command again and reboot
[21:33] <ryuo> nacc: that's a symlink to /etc/modules
[21:34] <nacc> ryuo: ah so it is
[21:34] <qwebirc12365> Anyone have screen tearing fix?
[21:34] <ryuo> nacc: plan B: maybe they should just use /etc/rc.local.
[21:34] <nacc> snee_: ok, then `sudo systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service`
[21:34] <nacc> snee_: and do you see in there that it inserted the module
[21:35] <ryuo> qwebirc12365: you need to be more specific if you want an answer.
[21:35] <TJ-> Deus402: it seems weird, but as the manual mdadm command failed, there must be some inconsistency in the metadata
[21:35] <TJ-> Deus402: hopefully doing the drive wipes will help
[21:35] <snee_> modeule brcmfmac is blacklisted
[21:36] <snee_> wtf
[21:36] <ryuo> snee_: that's done sometimes for problematic modules.
[21:36] <nacc> snee_: check /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist*
[21:37] <snee_> yep on it
[21:37] <snee_> picked a good wireless adapter didnt i
[21:38] <snee_> i wanted it for a hackintosh
[21:38] <ryuo> snee_: lol.
[21:38] <qwebirc12365> was getting help here just a while ago. He suggested i use compis or compton. I tried to get compton but im currently running into network issue. Right now i just wanna fix Nvidia Tearing with 1080p upscaled resolution then ill go try to fix other things
[21:39] <TJ-> the reason for the blacklist is usually to prevent conflict with SMAC (software media access control) as opposed to FMAC (full media access control) aka firmware or hardware MAC
[21:43] <snee_> alright nacc and ryuo got it working. thanks for your hel
[21:43] <snee_> p
[21:43] <nacc> snee_: yw
[21:44] <Deus402> tj- i'll be back after the drive wipes. trying to find the right magic so i don't have to zero the whole thing.
[21:48] <qwebirc12365> Whats the first step, fixing a screen tearing problem?
[21:48] <qwebirc12365> there's soo much around that none even worked =/
[21:49] <ryuo> qwebirc12365: try vsync or double buffering?
[21:51] <Elliot404> hi
[21:51] <qwebirc12365> xorg.conf is where those setting should be at right?
[21:52] <ryuo> qwebirc12365: there should be a nvidia settings utility.
[21:53] <ryuo> I haven't used their drivers in years, but they provided one for configuring these things.
[21:53] <TJ-> Deus402: "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=16M count=1" for each drive and try "sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdX" for each, rather than using shell expansions as you did before
[21:54] <ryuo> Deus402: why did you leave FreeBSD?
[21:56] <Deus402> got sick of things that wouldn't "just work"
[21:56] <Deus402> ryuo, you know, like software raid :/
[21:56] <Deus402> heh
[21:56] <qwebirc12365> nvidia gui doesnt really give me much options. none of the buffering is really an option
[21:57] <ryuo> Deus402: i never had much issue with mdadm, though i only used it for RAID1.
[21:57] <Deus402> tj- that is just wiping the beginning of the drive, didn't you say to wipe the end too?
[21:58] <ryuo> Deus402: if you get tired of playing with RAID0, you could give LVM a try.
[21:58] <TJ-> Deus402: no, I thnik blackflow did, but that isn't need if you can succesfully use --zero-superblock
[21:58] <ryuo> Deus402: http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7582/
[21:58] <Deus402> i cannot succesfully use --zero-superblock
[21:58] <Deus402> even individually
[21:59] <TJ-> Deus402: what does "sudo dmsetup info" report ?
[22:00] <ryuo> incidently RAID0/1 has multiple things that can replicate its basic features...
[22:00] <TJ-> Deus402: I'm beginning to think the SAS port expander could be an issue here. We know you can read the drives, it appears you can write them since they got metadata and file-system formatted
[22:00] <ryuo> LVM, mdadm, ZFS, BTRFS...
[22:00] <Deus402> TJ-: No devices found
[22:00] <qwebirc12365> okay, after reading few while. Poeple be suggestiong compton and compis. How do i approach?
[22:01] <TJ-> Deus402: OK, so nothing unexpected holding those devices, that is a good thing :)
[22:01] <qwebirc12365> i tried compton i get 404 error when trying to get package or something
[22:01] <Deus402> TJ- also, it was working just handily before i decided to add 5 more 8tb drives.
[22:02] <Deus402> the only other thing that changed was adding the second controller card.