[01:31] <mcloy> how to comprehensively fsck and fix problem at reboot ?
[01:53] <Sam-R-i> Hello, anyone out there with a knowledge of konqueror?
[01:54] <Sam-R-i> I'm trying to get rid of the anti-glare issue with web browsers and ran into a snag with konqueror
[01:55] <Sam-R-i> I'm using the oxygen theme with wonton soup
[01:56] <Sam-R-i> and tried to incorporate it into konqueror
[02:12] <Sam-R-i> Are my questions a KDE or KUBUNTU question?
[02:12] <Sam-R-i> I.E. wonton soup?
[02:12] <Sam-R-i> I.E. oxygen?
[02:13] <Sam-R-i> Where do I go?
[02:13] <Sam-R-i> How do I ask?
[02:15] <Sam-R-i> Hello???
[02:15] <Sam-R-i> Goodbye!!!
[02:47] <lindsay> sorry sam r....but this is new to me also. but looks like you`ve logged off But if u come back... I  use oprah
[02:47] <lindsay> sorry opera
[02:49] <lindsay> sooooo nobody wants to share  their KDE probs?
[02:51] <lindsay> Iff anybody cares I have one...
[02:56] <lindsay> I`ll just talk to m`self then.
[03:01] <lindsay> hoe come you get a dvd app (dragon player) that wont play dvd`s until 20 plugins have been searched for & thenloaded????
[03:02] <lindsay> u think it would be ready to go...maybe i`m spoiled.
[03:47] <hanasaki> what would result in apps from desktop #3 showing in the tasklist when on desktop #1?  also clicking on any desktop shows desktop #1
[04:05] <natacus> has anyone tried beta 2 of kubuntu 12.04?
[04:06] <hanasaki> natacus:  how is it working out for you
[04:06] <natacus> i havent tried it yet, but just after reading stuff about Kubuntu dropping firefox support, not sure what it means
[04:07] <hanasaki> why dropping?
[04:08] <hanasaki> natacus:  hanasaki is having enough trouble with the current supported version of kubuntu.   the desktop pager is a mess.   clicking on any desktop takes you to desktop #1 only
[04:09] <natacus> what will it mean for FF in kubuntu 12.04
[04:10]  * hanasaki has no crystal ball
[04:11] <hanasaki> wonder if debian will stick with the version of firefox it has named or if chrome is open enough for them
[04:13] <natacus> really dont want to use chrome
[04:13] <hanasaki> there is always the foss version or get firefox on its own
[04:14] <natacus> lol
[04:16] <hanasaki> you ever seen the task manager not respond to clicking on an app window?   or list an app from a diff desktop yet not goto it when you click on it?
[04:16] <natacus> no
[04:16] <natacus> sorry
[04:16] <hanasaki> just started recently
[04:17] <natacus> hope it gets fixed
[04:17] <natacus> anyways im off
[04:17] <natacus> later
[04:17] <hanasaki> I click on the "K" kde app menu and no menu
[04:44] <lindsay> Guys........New to kubuntu...wanted to use FFox but does not want to load with an icon etc...too dificult dunno if lack support causes this
[04:49] <almoxarife> lindsay: one more time, why can't you use FF?
[04:51] <lindsay> hi ffox works but i have to look for ini or exe file
[04:51] <wes_> ke pedo
[04:52] <lindsay> tried putting short cut on desktop...no go
[04:53] <lindsay> just a pain to work thru the directories to find the .ini/.exe file to run it
[04:54] <qbit> lindsay: so which version of kubuntu and how did you install firefox?
[04:54] <qbit> lindsay: I am using 11.10 with KDE 4.8.1 here and have no problem with ff at all
[04:55] <lindsay> latest version methinks ...just installed < week ago
[04:55] <qbit> I suspect some procedural misstep on your part
[04:55] <lindsay> normal download....from ffox site
[04:56] <qbit> do you have a menu entry in the start menu that works?
[04:56] <lindsay> quite  possible ..2 x attempts gave same result
[04:57] <qbit> easier to just use the firefox that's instaleld through a package manager from kubuntu repos
[04:57] <qbit> and they're fairly quick about updating them - usually within 2-3 days
[04:58] <qbit> for example, my firefox from kubuntu repo is 11.0
[04:59] <lindsay> no menu entry....made its own directry under  home/documents
[04:59] <qbit> then if want an icon on the desktop you can just do 'unlock widgets', and when you go down through the menu choices when you get to the firefox entry you can click down and hold the left mouse button and drag it to the desktop
[05:00] <qbit> then you will either need to use an aboslute, complete path in your link to executable or add it to your path
[05:01] <qbit> and don't create a link directly to the main executable irself, there is a startup script instead
[05:01] <qbit> this startup script is how ff finds out "where" it is living
[05:02] <lindsay> ok ... digesting all this i`ve been spoon fed on windows
[05:03] <qbit> it would be easier for you to scrub what you have and install the packaged firefox from the kubuntu repo
[05:03] <lindsay> yep
[05:03] <qbit> but it is possible to do what you are after as I have done it in the past; no longer bother though as there is nothing to be gained by it
[05:05] <qbit> and you will find that plugins and extensions  can easily be installed and will work without any need to futz with anything
[05:05] <lindsay> so locking widgets prevents short cuts but why?
[05:05] <lindsay> or icons being placed yhere  why?
[05:06] <qbit> the locking widgets 'freezes' the desktop and you can't copy a menu entry from the start menu to the desktop
[05:06] <qbit> I believe it is designed to prevent accidental miscues
[05:08] <qbit> you don't actually have to keep widgets in a locked state - the choice is yours
[05:08] <lindsay> cool so many things to learn
[05:08] <qbit> but I think it is a safety default, so I only unlock when I really want to make a changem then lock it back
[05:09] <qbit> well if you're a n00b I'd recommend to install you firefox from the package manager and not the one you downloaded from mozilla
[05:10] <lindsay> whilst your here qbit ..& thanks, I have had two little yellow "stick it" boxes appear at the bottom of  screen
[05:11] <lindsay>  with a scroll bar...what are they how to remove please?
[05:11] <qbit> and I really do not know about this
[05:12] <lindsay> about a 1/2 inch sq. I dunno what i did to get them there dunno hoe to remove
[05:12] <lindsay> e=w
[05:12] <qbit> but if you right click somewhere on empty background space of your desktop and select 'unlock widgets' - then hover your mouse cursor over them
[05:13] <qbit> if they are what are called 'plasma widgets' you will see a sidebar appear
[05:13] <qbit> if that's the case in that sidebar will be a remove/delete thingy you can click on
[05:14] <qbit> and that will make it go away
[05:14] <qbit> if they are not a plasma widget I'm not certain on how to proceed then
[05:15] <qbit> other than looking for them in your 'Desktop' folder in your home directory and manually doing an 'rm'
[05:16] <lindsay> ok going to give it a go now, back in a tick
[05:16] <qbit> good luck and best wishes
[05:17] <lindsay> errr whats an "rm"?
[05:17] <qbit> it's a *Nix command for remove a file
[05:18] <qbit> it's how you delete a file at a command line prompt - aka "CLI" which is short for Command Line Interface
[05:18] <qbit> which is a command prompt in a shell terminal such as Konsole
[05:19] <qbit> text-based as opposed to GUI
[05:19] <lindsay> ok thanks done this cli with m/soft but not linux/kubuntu
[05:20] <qbit> open Konsole will remind you of the old dos box from WinderZ
[05:22] <lindsay> thanks vmuch for your guidance AND patience
[05:24] <qbit> well if you're new to the *Nix world it will take a while, but after sticking with it the learning curve will crest and things will eventually make more sense
[05:26] <qbit> in many ways entering the *Nix world with a GUI obfuscates much of what you need to learn, however, the KDE desktop is a fairly good transition from Windows because there are a lot of similiarities to how stuff works
[05:27] <lindsay> :) yeah , i got to get out of thinking in terms of windows
[05:27] <qbit> just remember *Nix is not just a pretty GUI desktop, it is what lives 'beneath'
[05:28] <qbit> for example, none of my *Nix servers have any X or GUI stuff installed on them - it's unecessary extra crap
[05:28] <qbit> all admin done CLI style
[05:29] <ronnoc> lindsay: welcome to Kubuntu! We're here if you need anything. Just fire away.
[05:29] <qbit> I would never install a GUI desktop on a web server or database server
[05:29] <lindsay> unfortunately i don`t have a programmers mind but working on it
[05:30] <qbit> just keep pluggin away, a little at a time
[05:30] <ronnoc> lindsay: a programmers mind is not needed to enjoy Linux. But the ability to go "under the hood" and play / learn is definitely there should you wish to do so.
[05:31] <lindsay> thanks ronnoc but qbit has given me enough to work on my most immediate dramas`
[05:31] <qbit> the initial part of the learning curve may appear daunting at first look, but if you keep at it at some point it will begin to 'click' in your  mind
[05:32] <qbit> then stuff gets easier
[05:32] <ronnoc> lindsay: lol. understood. I just want to make to sure you realize that "becoming a programmer"  is not necessary to love Linux :)
[05:33] <qbit> system admin is what I do for a living - I'm not a programmer
[05:34] <lindsay> thanks from what i see so far... i don`t,  just a `shift ` in thinking
[05:34] <qbit> I dabble a tad as it helps me to understand how to set up the underlying system to support programs
[05:35] <qbit> but ronnoc is right - you do need to be a programmer to use Linux
[05:35] <qbit> err I meant NOT need
[05:40] <lindsay> yeah, thanks guys I apprerciate your help, ....i will be back with a couple more soon
[06:16] <ronnoc> lindsay: Ok
[07:15] <xds__>
[07:36] <lordievader> hello
[07:42] <xds__> yes
[08:03] <utente> ciao
[08:03] <utente> !list
[08:07] <utente_> ciao
[10:54] <georgelappies> when is official release date of 12.04?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:43] <xiii> hey guys
[13:21] <drdanz> Anyone has an idea about why this happens to the search bar? http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/31/schermata1.png http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/31/schermata2.png
[13:55] <^jude^> can anyone help me get firefox to use kmail for mailto and "Send link..." on 11.10 - the about:config tweaks I find on google don't work
[13:58] <BluesKaj> ^jude^,  system settings>default applications>Default Component /"use kmail as preferred email client"
[13:59] <^jude^> BluesKaj: that's already set
[13:59] <^jude^> BluesKaj: firefox is ignoring it
[14:00] <BluesKaj> ok, that's all I can tell you since i don't use kmail
[14:00] <BluesKaj> or firefox
[14:01] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: Hi
[14:01] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: how are you?
[14:01] <kamilnadeem> long time :-)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hi kamilnadeem .fine , and you ?
[14:02] <^jude^> BluesKaj: thanks anyway :)
[14:02] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: I am also good, have just installed Kubuntu 12.04 Bata 2
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yes , I see your post in kubuntu-devel, kamilnadeem
[14:03] <kamilnadeem> Ok
[14:04] <kamilnadeem> the problem that I have mentioned there was also present in the 11.10 release
[14:04] <kamilnadeem> brbr
[14:04] <kamilnadeem> brb*
[14:05] <BluesKaj> ^jude^,  you could try kmail in the dialog , "use a differnt email client "
[14:06] <^jude^> BluesKaj: still ignored - all I get it the thunderbird add account wizard, every time
[14:08] <BluesKaj> ^jude^,  check on launchpad , there may be abug already filed for it ..my email preference doesn't work either
[14:09] <^jude^> BluesKaj: aha! in firefox mailto now appears as an application in the preferences - point that to kmail and all is good
[14:09] <ibiwor> How to create users specifically for ssh so that they don't appear in login screen?
[14:10] <^jude^> BluesKaj: so basically it looks like it will always ignore the system default and maintain its own - thanks for taking the time to help anyway
[14:12] <BluesKaj> ^jude^,  np, it's good to know for future reference ..FF needs to be set , not the defaults in sys settings
[14:12] <^jude^> BluesKaj: indeed
[14:16] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: Was judge asking about the setting FF as the default browser for thunderbird or Kmail?
[14:17] <ibiwor> Hello! How to create users specifically for ssh so that they don't appear in kdm login screen?
[14:28] <zelo> what path targets kdmrc file?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> kamilnadeem,  no he wanted kmail as the default browser in FF , there's a setting in FF prefernces>apps to set the default email client
[14:33] <kamilnadeem> Okay.
[14:34] <BluesKaj> default email client, not browser
[14:34] <kamilnadeem> BluesKaj: Will be taking your leave now friend. Will be sending my observations to the mailing list.
[14:34] <kamilnadeem> Take Care.
[14:51] <MacSeal> hi,i have problem with encoding on this plasmoid http://imagebin.org/205670 . with plasmoidviewer sm_hdd is right ,is possible fix it ?
[14:55] <mcloy> how  to have the fs's max mount count exceeded for it to auto fsck on reboot?
[15:00] <MacSeal> you can edit fstab mcloyDotCom
[15:00] <mcloyDotCom> MacSeal,  ok. what is the actuall max count ?
[15:01] <MacSeal> !fstab
[15:01] <yofel> mcloyDotCom: what exactly are you trying to do?
[15:01] <yofel> force an fsck?
[15:02] <mcloyDotCom>  i want to have the fs's max mount count exceeded for it to auto fsck on reboot?
[15:02] <MacSeal> You may also "tune" or set the frequency of file checks (default is every 30 mounts)
[15:03] <yofel> the max mount count will be exceeded when you mount it as often as the value says
[15:03] <yofel> that's what max mount count means
[15:03] <yofel> it'll automatically fsck on boot then
[15:03] <yofel> as long as the fsck pass in fstab isn't set to 0 for that device
[15:28] <licensed> omg.. some applications menubar dissapears. i rebooted my computer and didn't work =( i just was changing themes, but i back to default (oxygen)
[17:47] <bradleyjk> running firefox and the website pandora won't load it's music player and pretty much anything else on the website... anyone know if that's an adobe flash prolbem? I've been struggling with getting flash to install on my system
[17:52] <murali> Please Help. How do i remove gnome from my kubuntu 11.10??? pleaase help
[17:52] <BluesKaj> bradleyjk,  didn't we work on your flash problem yesterday ?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> !purekde
[17:52] <licensed> murali, i think it's apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[17:53] <BluesKaj> murali,  ^
[17:53] <licensed> murali, i install and remove this package ubuntu-desktop
[17:53] <licensed> BluesKaj, wazzup =D
[17:53] <BluesKaj> licensed,  it's bit more than that
[17:53] <licensed> BluesKaj, i do this once time.. on kubuntu 10.04
[17:53] <bradleyjk> BluesKaj, yes! I ran through the site I think you(?) sent me, and it wouldnt let me extract adobe into the correct folder
[17:54] <bradleyjk> by "it wouldnt let me" i mean I wasnt able to.. lol
[17:56] <BluesKaj> just extract it in the folder it downloads to , then find the libflashplayer.so and copy it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins , alt+f2 , kdesudo dolphin /usr/lib/mozilla , open the plugins folder and paste it there
[17:56] <murali> Thank you licenced. a small querry. is gnome and  ubuntu desktop same or diffrnt? Coz on kubuntu i installed gnome 3 and i got new theme for   my kde desktop.
[17:56] <murali> later installed ubuntu desktop. i got a diffrnt screen but with same gnome theme. i want to remove tht gnome theme from my ubuntu desktop
[17:57] <BluesKaj> murali,  check the url i posted above
[17:58] <murali> thank you
[18:00] <murali> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[18:00] <murali> i got that error
[18:00] <BluesKaj> murali,  close you package manager
[18:00] <murali> ok
[18:01] <BluesKaj> your
[18:02] <masinick> I have wanted to report a defect, but in spite of downloading as many debug packages as I could find, it was not enough. I am seeing Rekonq consistently fail and restart when using the Yahoo Email Web site. Something either about their ads or their use of technology on that page kills Rekonq repeatedly.
[18:02] <masinick> Interestingly, the My Yahoo Portal does not have the same problem. Sorry that I have not been able to send in a debug report. All I can suggest to reproduce it is to repeatedly use Rekonq on Yahoo Mail and see if you can replicate it with a QA or development resource who has debug symbols available.
[18:02] <BluesKaj> murali,  commands in the terminal use the same apps (dpkg) as the package manager therefore if dpkg is already invoked it blocks any other attempts to open it
[18:03] <murali> Thank you BluesKaj. The process is running.
[18:04] <BluesKaj> masinick,  rekonq is still being worked on and dev'd ..don't think it's quite relaible as a default browser yet
[18:08] <masinick> Hopefully this IRC Channel is logged and the person responsible for building and/or maintaining Rekonq can try out Yahoo Mail and see if it's stable with recent changes since Beta 2.
[18:09] <bradleyjk> Blueskaj, thanks!
[18:09] <bradleyjk> i dont know what I did differently..
[18:10] <BluesKaj> bradleyjk,  working ok now ?
[18:10] <masinick> Thanks BluesKaj; Rekonq is certainly being actively developed, and for the most part it is coming along very well; sure wish I could get ALL of the debugging symbols needed to help diagnose the issue; got Rekonq-dbg, but there were several others and the mirror just wasn't getting them up to me.  Anyway, I'll keep working on it; hope word gets passed along; thanks!
[18:12] <BluesKaj> masinick,  i have problems with ctrl+ sizing on this large monitor using rekonq , otherwise I agree it's much better than even a few months ago...definitely shows promise
[18:14] <licensed> my apps menubars disappears =( i change theme back to oxygen and menubar didn't back =(( xchat, ktorrent, gimp.. all menubars disappears
[18:14] <masinick> Thanks for the feedback; If I eventually get enough debug symbols installed to produce a good trace, I will gladly send it in.  Have a great afternoon and evening!  -- Brian Masinick<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:16] <BluesKaj> menubars or taskbars , licensed ?
[18:17] <licensed> BluesKaj, menu bar.. File / Edit / Help..
[18:17] <licensed> omg! it's back
[18:18] <licensed> hahahaha jut change theme and some apperance
[18:18] <bradleyjk> BluesKaj, yep
[18:18] <licensed> ktorrent didn't back yet BluesKaj
[18:18] <licensed> just xchat back
[18:20] <BluesKaj> licensed,  just right click on the apps in the kmenu and add to panel
[18:23] <licensed> BluesKaj, i'm talking about apps menubar.. not panel
[18:26] <licensed> BluesKaj, lots of apps disappears menubar.. but now some apps back, but not all.. can you see? http://i40.tinypic.com/10hvj20.png
[18:34] <BluesKaj> no , sorry I don't understand , licensed ...menubar as in dolphin?
[18:35] <licensed> dolphin's menubar it's gone too
[18:35] <Peace-> licensed: CRTL M
[18:35] <Peace-> CTRL M
[18:36] <licensed> Peace-, yes dolphin menubar back.. (it's just a key tool, right? 1 icon)
[18:36] <licensed> but ktorrent and others didn't back
[18:37] <Peace-> licensed: ~/.kde/share/config
[18:37] <Peace-> search for ktorrernt
[18:37] <Peace-> and rename it
[18:37] <Peace-> to search in fast way use the search bar
[18:38] <Peace-> licensed: is called filter bar
[18:39] <licensed> to remove config didn't work Peace- .. i think it's theme problem
[18:39] <licensed> no is 1 program
[18:39] <Peace-> licensed: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/31/plasma-desktopiF1833.png
[18:39] <licensed> it's lots of apps
[18:39] <Peace-> licensed: create a new user
[18:39] <Peace-> or rename your ~/.kde
[18:43] <licensed> Peace-, BluesKaj http://i39.tinypic.com/kd7sk4.png
[18:43] <licensed> can you see now? some examples of apps.. ktorrent, gwenview, vlc.. no one haves a menubar
[18:43] <Peace-> licensed: rename  $HOME/.kde
[18:44] <licensed> omg here we go.. configure all my kde again
[18:44] <licensed> ok i back soon
[18:47] <licensed> ok it's solve :) i will reconfigure all my kde now
[18:48] <Peace-> night i go :P
[18:51] <licensed> i have to go now.. thanks Peace-
[19:05] <mmh> how cmake handling of libcxcore.so is done to have opencv integrated to use webcam?
[19:31] <Steve132> When I check out or do certain operations from certain subversion repositories, svn hangs
[19:31] <Steve132> on my system
[19:31] <Steve132> how can I check the svn log files?
[19:59] <BluesKaj> !cloak
[20:18] <yaaic> hi
[20:31] <Spartan29> hallo
[20:31] <Spartan29>  I've a trouble. I can't share files from linux to windows, files are in a folder of an NTFS partition mounted on boot time. What i see is that i can't change folder and than in it contained files. Can someone help me?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> Spartan29,  are you trying to access files from windows or in linux moving them to windows?
[20:37] <elek02_> Hi! Is there an option in Dolphin to disconnect from FTP?  Massstorage devices can be disconnectet, but network-shares not ...
[20:40] <BluesKaj> elek02_,  do you mean the share file can't be closed?
[20:42] <elek02_> yes
[20:42] <elek02_> no - not my shares!
[20:43] <elek02_> when I connect to a ftp-host with ftp://.....
[21:15] <karam> hi
[21:15] <hackdraft> hi
[21:18] <Spartan29> BluesKaj, Sorry the late. However, i have a folder on an NTFS part mounted automatically at boot. I want to share over my network the conent of the folder. And till now i obtained only to show the folder, not the files in it.
[21:20] <BluesKaj> Spartan29,  is there a windows OS on the ntfs or is justa astorage partition ?
[21:21] <BluesKaj> a storage
[21:21] <Spartan29> BluesKaj, is a storage partition, used in ntfs because some maintenance on films and other are done via windows sometimes.
[21:23] <BluesKaj> yes , understood , do you have the ntfs partiton set to automount in /etc/fstab ?
[21:25] <Spartan29> BluesKaj, the partitions isn't in fstab.
[21:29] <BluesKaj> Spartan29,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[21:35] <spaceneedle> Just tried to update kubuntu 12.04 and I was told that bzip2zip package was corrupt. I also had midsum check mismatch. Also, wouldn't install the <IP_ADDRESS>  kernal.
[21:35] <Roey> hey all, I hear that Ubuntu offers an this integrated OpenVPN option in GNOME for laptops so that they can pipe all their traffic through an OpenVPN relay.  How can I achieve something similar in KDE?
[21:35] <Roey> 3.8.1
[21:39] <szal> did you mean: 4.8.1?
[21:39] <Roey> er, yes
[21:39] <Roey> :)
[21:40] <Roey> all those keys.  They're close together, I mean..
[21:40] <Roey> szal:  but yeah.  Basically I want to go to sit at Starbucks and connect to my desktop at home and pipe all traffic through it.
[21:40] <Tm_T> Roey: the same way you do in gnome: through networking systray icon
[21:40] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[21:41] <Roey> Ah..
[21:41] <Roey> Tm_T: that would be stellar if Kubuntu provides that functionality, lemme check..
[21:42] <Roey> tm_T:  ooh, there's a VPN option.  Curiouser and curiouser...bbiab.
[21:49] <Linkmaster> i have a RTL8188CE wireless adapter on my new computer rig. however, it wont connect to the intrrnet. if i manually assign an IP, it will connect, but not load anything. if i use autmatic, it wont assign an IP address. any suggestions?
[22:07] <Roey> szal, tm_T:  Do I have to go through all this stuff* to set VPN keys up?? https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openvpn.html
[23:38] <JuJuBee> How do I get my torrent client vuze to open torrents via the magnet link?
[23:44] <natacus> anyone using Kubuntu 12.04, how is it looking?
[23:44] <natacus> beta2
[23:53] <Seven_Six_Two> 12.04, nvidia6800gt, 2x21" monitors. Since recent update, my screens go black frequently. no gnome-screensaver, xscreensaver. nothing in dmesg, syslog, xorg.0.log. checked power settings.
[23:53] <Seven_Six_Two> using recommended binary driver.
[23:56] <EvilResistance> isnt 12.04 support in #ubuntu+1, even for Kubuntu?
[23:56] <EvilResistance> !12.04
[23:56] <EvilResistance> thought so
[23:56] <Seven_Six_Two> I wasn't sure if kubuntu was there too. thanks
[23:59] <Roey> hey all, so I am using DynamicDNS here, and I have set up OpenVPN with this guide:  https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openvpn.html.  I'm trying to get this VPN connection working on my laptop with Kubuntu 12.04's VPN option, but I am not even sure that this VPN is running (i.e. I need to verify this somehow, probably by trying to bring up the VPN via command-line, btu I forgot how).  Make my ship go?


[18:02] <ubuntu-tester84d> Hello, sorry i know test week is over but has anyone tried to start Ubuntu 21.04 encrypted with zfs with the recovery key? I tried to find out how to replace the recovery key because i think it is to short, i tried it with a virtual machine and now on hardware without success, for the lvm encrypted one i did succeed.
[18:26] <ubuntu-tester84d> I have filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1926196
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester84d: 21.04 is now officialy supported in #ubuntu if you like
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> maybe other volunteers encountered your bug aswell
 @saivinob did you notice this zfs bug that ubuntu-tester84d is mentioning
 I just tested this and works fine for me in VirtualBox - did you not enter the passphrase (and not the recovery key ) at reboot? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <ubuntu-tester84d> I have filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1926196)
[19:17] <ubuntu-tester84d> ubuntutestingbot i entered the 16 digit recovery key, the new feature in Ubuntu, i have tried it several times, now testing in virtualbox...
[19:27] <ubuntu-tester84d> ubuntutestingbot zfs is the one i am having problem with, if that wasn't clear
 At reboot try entering the passphrase (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <ubuntu-tester84d> ubuntutestingbot i entered the 16 digit recovery key, the new feature in Ubuntu, i have tried it several times, now testing in virtualbox...)


[01:41] <superm1> Daviey, ping
[01:45] <defendguin_> mario  zap2 it still isn't responding for me :(
[01:45] <superm1> really?
[01:46] <defendguin_> really
[01:46] <superm1> i wonder whats really going on here then
[01:46] <superm1> when i get home, i'll checkout and see if mine has grabbed data the last day or so
[01:46] <defendguin_> i'd appreciate it
[01:46] <superm1> did you poke around in -users last night?
[01:47] <defendguin_> -users?
[01:47] <superm1> mythtv-users
[01:47] <superm1> the irc channel
[01:47] <defendguin_> yeah i did
[01:47] <superm1> to see if anyone else was encountering issues with zap2it
[01:47] <superm1> and?
[01:47] <defendguin_> no one else seems to be
[01:48] <superm1> you've blown away all zap2it settins?
[01:48] <superm1> and reloaded and such
[01:48] <defendguin_> yup
[01:48] <defendguin_> it's just that one place in the video sources setup right?
[01:48] <superm1> well the place where you put in the usrename password
[01:49] <superm1> you've blown away that page
[01:49] <superm1> and reloaded it
[01:49] <defendguin_> yup
[01:50] <superm1> have you considered possibly backing up your database and reloading it?
[01:51] <defendguin_> i'd blow away the entire box if i thought it would help
[01:51] <superm1> well i dont think that drastic of a change is needed here
[01:51] <superm1> but you can at least narrow down the problem to db corruption
[01:51] <superm1> if freshly doing the db solves it
[02:00] <defendguin_> where do i start off with that?
[02:00] <superm1> well backup the db, remove mythtv-database and mysql-server-5.0.  reinstall both.  run mythtv-setup
[02:00] <superm1> and set things up
[02:00] <superm1> if they work, then something is messed up with your old db
[02:00] <superm1> and you can either drop it and ignore
[02:00] <superm1> or sort it out and find the problem
[02:02] <defendguin_> no need to really back up the db i don't have any recordings i care about
[02:02] <superm1> well thats up to you
[02:02] <superm1> i mean if you dont have anything of value
[02:02] <superm1> then dont worry about it
[02:03] <superm1> sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv-database mysql-server-5.0
[02:03] <superm1> and then
[02:03] <superm1> sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 mythtv-database
[02:06] <defendguin_> maybe i have bigger issues
[02:06] <superm1> why?
[02:06] <defendguin_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mythtv/mythtv-database_0.20-svn20070122-0.0ubuntu6_all.deb  Could not resolve 'us.archive.ubuntu.com'
[02:06] <superm1> sounds like this machine isnt online
[02:06] <defendguin_> i'm sshed into it
[02:07] <superm1> is it set up for static or dhcp?
[02:07] <defendguin_> static
[02:07] <superm1> did you add a default route?
[02:07] <superm1> er gateway
[02:07] <defendguin_> ummm i added a default gateway
[02:07] <superm1> and dns information?
[02:07] <defendguin_> hmmmm
[02:07] <defendguin_> probably not
[02:08] <superm1> /etc/resolv.conf
[02:08] <superm1> nameserver IPADDRESS
[02:08] <superm1> where IPADDRESS is your DNS server
[02:08] <defendguin_> search houston.rr.com
[02:08] <defendguin_> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:08] <defendguin_> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:09] <superm1> can you ping those servers
[02:09] <defendguin_> thats my old isp service
[02:09] <defendguin_> houstonrr.com
[02:09] <superm1> then those needs to be updated
[02:09] <superm1> that is your issue
[02:09] <defendguin_> :-)
[02:09] <superm1> should have put two and two together when you said that you were putting in a new guide data source
[02:09] <superm1> that you probably had a new ISP too
[02:09] <defendguin_> lol
[02:10] <superm1> Okay i'm going to get home and make some dinner
[02:11] <superm1> good luck getting this back :)
[02:11] <defendguin_> thanks man
[03:07] <defendguin_> superm1: looks like it pulled all the right data but its telling me mythtv is already using all available inputs when i try to watch tv
[03:07] <defendguin_> rebooting didn't seem to fix it
[03:08] <superm1> then you didnt set up your tuner right perhaps
[03:09] <superm1> did you make sure to choose the correct type
[03:09] <defendguin_> i'm thinking its possible the db password got changed when i re-installed
[03:09] <superm1> eg if its a pvr-xxx MPEG2-Encoder
[03:09] <superm1> if you could open the frontend and the backend is running, db info is fine
[03:09] <defendguin_> right i set that part up properly i believe
[03:09] <defendguin_> ok
[03:09] <superm1> check the backend log then
[03:10] <defendguin_> where is that kept?
[03:11] <superm1> /var/log/mythtv
[03:14] <defendguin_> i think i figured it out
[03:14] <superm1> what was it?
[03:14] <defendguin_> i'm dumb
[03:15] <defendguin_> something in the setup i rushed over i think
[03:15] <superm1> ah]
[03:15] <defendguin_> beautiful
[03:16] <superm1> what did you miss?
[03:17] <defendguin_> the option below video source setup in myth-setup
[03:18] <superm1> ah+
[03:47] <defendguin_> via xvmc or standard xvmc
[03:59] <defendguin_> i picked standard
[04:01] <superm1> well depends on your video card
[04:01] <superm1> and if you can do xvmc in the first place
[04:32] <defendguin_> nvidia
[04:32] <defendguin_> its a pretty good card
[04:36] <defendguin_> superm1: i think i'm all set thanks for the assistance
[05:03] <superm1> Yup defendguin_
[05:03] <superm1> glad you got things going better here
[01:44] <DaveMorris> what timezone is superm1 on?
[01:52] <gardengnome> the wrong one, obviously :)
[01:52] <gardengnome> dunno off-hand, but he's somewhere in the US
[02:36] <a5benwillis> morning?
[02:36] <a5benwillis> superm1: You around?
[02:39] <DaveMorris> a5benwillis: I think tis around 6:30am his time
[04:04] <superm1> morning guys
[04:04] <superm1> i'm in central time
[04:05] <gardengnome> morning superm1
[04:12] <DaveMorris> whats the time now then?
[04:12] <DaveMorris> I checked out knoppmyth, and they don't auto do the mythtv setup
[04:12] <superm1> It'd be 9:12 right now
[04:12] <superm1> Ok, so no detection of *anything* then?
[04:13] <superm1> just asking what remotes you have
[04:13] <superm1> or video cards and such
[04:13] <superm1> and expecting you to make the right choices?
[04:13] <DaveMorris> it auto does the install, so I'm guessing it also grabs the correct frimware
[04:14] <superm1> It didn't ask anything about tv out though?
[04:14] <DaveMorris> not sure if it does the remotes, normal install of X does the video card
[04:15] <DaveMorris> I didn't install it to see if it auto did the mythtv-setup, managed to gleam the info from there manual and screen casts
[04:15] <DaveMorris> I'd assume it dosen't do TV-OUT because thats X
[04:16] <superm1> well interesting
[04:16] <superm1> i wonder if they have a post configuration panel for this sort of stuff?
[04:16] <superm1> or anything like that
[04:16] <superm1> and where did I hear that a lot of this stuff was automated...?
[04:17] <DaveMorris> they do have an auto install option
[04:17] <DaveMorris> but it dosen't touch mythtv-setup
[04:17] <DaveMorris> Do many people run myth with TV-OUT?
[04:18] <superm1> well all the people i've helped set up locally in my towns have
[04:18] <DaveMorris> I have as well
[04:18] <superm1> :)
[04:19] <superm1> could you see what the auto install does then?
[04:19] <DaveMorris> yep
[04:19] <superm1> if we do introduce something that handles anything automatically more so than what they do
[04:19] <superm1> we will be quite set
[04:19] <DaveMorris> there are so many combo's in mythtv-setup :)
[04:20] <superm1> well even to prefill in some data
[04:20] <DaveMorris> We should prob sort out some howto's/screen cast for the different regions
[04:20] <superm1> need to find a good screencasting app then eventually too
[04:20] <DaveMorris> coz the info needed is different in different countries
[04:20] <superm1> thats right
[04:20] <DaveMorris> popey in #ubuntu-uk does alot of screen casts
[04:21] <DaveMorris> I'll check what he uses
[04:27] <DaveMorris> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts
[04:40] <superm1> any recmndations though on an optimal choice?
[04:44] <DaveMorris> jsut follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam/RecordingScreencasts
[04:52] <superm1> DaveMorris, i'll be back in ~40 min
[07:56] <rogue780|mythser> I wish there was a good editor like dreamweaver available for linux
[07:56] <gardengnome> what about crossover office?
[07:59] <rogue780|mythser> nope. it'll install dreamweaver...but it's unusable
[07:59] <gardengnome> sad
[08:11] <wil> Hi, I trying to follow a howto in the community docs on installing mythtv but I am stuck at lirc
[08:12] <tgm4883_> what part?
[08:12] <wil> I guess I have built the wrong module, usbmce instead of usbmce2
[08:12] <wil> But it doesn't create a new module like it did for usbmce
[08:12] <wil> If I redo everything for mce2, it will moan about the module not existing
[08:13] <wil> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Install_Lirc_Feisty
[08:13] <wil> And the module isn't in /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/misc/
[08:14] <tgm4883_> you tried running it again and selecting usbmce2 and it didn't create the module?
[08:25] <Xenocide> superm1, whats up man
[08:25] <superm1> Hey Xenocide long time no see.
[08:25] <Xenocide> yea
[08:25] <Xenocide> hey i get my hdtv today
[08:25] <superm1> oh nice.
[08:25] <Xenocide> for me to upconvert standard cable
[08:25] <Xenocide> do i need to do anything
[08:25] <superm1> well vga or component or dvi?
[08:25] <Xenocide> dvi
[08:25] <superm1> the nvidia drivers should sort it out for you
[08:25] <Xenocide> automatically eh
[08:25] <superm1> typically
[08:25] <Xenocide> sweet
[08:26] <superm1> but you may need to fus with modelines for overscan and such
[08:26] <Xenocide> really, even with dvi?
[08:26] <Xenocide> hopewfully i won't have to mess with xVmc
[08:26] <superm1> yes, depending on your tv
[08:26] <Xenocide> i had it set up, but i don't like the grayish looking OSD
[08:27] <superm1> depends on how powerfilled your comp cpu is
[08:27] <superm1> whether u will or wont
[08:27] <Xenocide> pentium 530
[08:27] <Xenocide> its plenty powerful, might be nice to get some load off cpu though
[08:27] <Xenocide> will cpu encoding look better or no difference
[08:28] <superm1> for SD stuff its not going to matter really
[08:28] <superm1> its when you get a hd tuner and start going that route
[08:28] <superm1> that you will need to worry mostly
[08:29] <Xenocide> i doubt ill will be getting an hdtuner since i am getting hd cable with a dvr at home
[08:29] <Xenocide> possibly for school when i move back in august
[08:29] <superm1> well you can maybe capture from firewire on that
[08:29] <superm1> at home
[08:29] <superm1> and get all your hd stuff that way
[08:30] <Xenocide> can i still watch tv wile doing that
[08:30] <Xenocide> i am getting a dual tuner box
[08:31] <superm1> There are a  lot of factors that go into whether it will work correctly and which tuner is in use
[08:31] <superm1> it will have to be an experimentation process
[08:31] <Xenocide> k
[09:07] <wil> Hi, me again. But now I'm stuck at configurting the backend
[09:07] <wil> I am following the community doc howto to install mythtv on feisty
[09:07] <wil> And I have just installed the mythtv package
[09:08] <wil> but I guess that the database isn't correctly created since the only table in there is schemalock
[09:08] <Xenocide> i wouldn't look into the database unless there was a problem
[09:08] <Xenocide> whats your next step?
[09:09] <wil> well, I should do the general stuff etc. and defining the tv cards, but it doesn't save anythin g
[09:09] <Xenocide> what do you mean by save?
[09:09] <superm1> well the database permissions are created when the package is installed
[09:09] <wil> and the terminal says this when I just load the config app
[09:09] <superm1> the database itself is made when launching mythtv-setup
[09:10] <Xenocide> if it errors when you run mytht-tv setup and it is blue then you have a database problem
[09:10] <Xenocide> you will see scrolling lines of errors
[09:11] <wil> mythtv-setup isn't blue
[09:12] <wil> but it does generate a lot of errors
[09:12] <superm1> What sorts of errors?
[09:12] <wil> like this one: Argument missing: ERROR: Unable to acquire database upgrade lock
[09:12] <wil> or: Table 'mythconverg.keybindings' doesn't exist
[09:12] <wil> And that for a lot of tables
[09:12] <superm1> Yick.
[09:12] <superm1> So it looks like somehow or another there was corruption in the process of making it
[09:13] <superm1> do you have any other valuable data?
[09:13] <superm1> in mysql
[09:13] <wil> in the database, no
[09:13] <wil> a clean machine this is :)
[09:13] <superm1> okay.  here is easiest solution then
[09:13] <superm1> sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv mythtv-database mysql-server mysql-server-5.0
[09:13] <superm1> and drop the database when it asks
[09:13] <superm1> followed by sudo apt-get install mythtv
[09:16] <wil> doen and now retry mythtv-setup I guess
[09:17] <superm1> hopefully thats all it was ;)
[09:17] <wil> this looks an awfull lot better :) thanks
[09:24] <a5benwillis> superm1: Hiya
[09:24] <superm1> hey a5benwillis
[09:24] <a5benwillis> anyone know if mythbuntu will eventually work with trunk?
[09:24] <a5benwillis> superm1: you were right, it didnt work :)
[09:24] <superm1> You mean the livedisk working with trunk?
[09:25] <a5benwillis> yes
[09:25] <superm1> Well a custom build can be done for trunk easily once gardengnome finishes up the trunk packaging
[09:25] <gardengnome> heh
[09:26] <gardengnome> need to get some spare time again. at the moment, i'm busy writing some articles for some school magazine
[09:26] <superm1> it will just be a matter of dropping in the repository that is using trunk packaging into the ISO build script and kicking it off for an hr to
[09:28] <superm1> build
[09:32] <a5benwillis> superm1Ah
[09:33] <a5benwillis> I wish I knew it didnt work before I changed to trunk lol
[09:33] <superm1> well you backed your DB up right?  You can always go back
[09:33] <superm1> and restore it
[09:37] <a5benwillis> I did
[09:37] <a5benwillis> I like trunk though, fixed some of my issues
[09:38] <superm1> oh
[09:38] <superm1> well then keep poking gardengnome to get his trunk packages done :)
[09:39] <a5benwillis> Im a patient guy
[09:39] <a5benwillis> just happy to have myth stable finally
[09:42] <superm1> thats great to hear that your dvb-s is working well now
[09:43] <superm1> did you sort out guide data?
[09:44] <gardengnome> superm1: i would have gotten them done by now if i managed to find that mythweather patch earlier :)
[09:44] <superm1> haha
[09:44] <gardengnome> superm1: shouldn't i package mythweather-revamp instead?
[09:44] <superm1> its a pretty straightforward patch when you take my dpatch directly huh? :)
[09:45] <superm1> well thats your call-
[09:45] <gardengnome> i dunno, i don't have it yet. i just know where i'm supposed to be looking now. :)
[09:45] <gardengnome> allright
[09:45] <superm1> personally i think its better to wait till that branch merges to trunk
[09:46] <superm1> but i also have no idea how stable it is
[09:46] <gardengnome> true
[09:47] <gardengnome> i doubt we'll get 0.21 till fall
[09:47] <superm1> well i hope its not like 2 weeks before gutsy release
[09:47] <superm1> like edgy
[09:48] <superm1> made for a packaging mayhem
[09:48] <gardengnome> heh
[09:48] <a5benwillis> superm1: Sorry, sidetracked
[09:48] <a5benwillis> yes, guide all working well with the new patch
[09:49] <superm1> very nice
[09:51] <Xenocide> patch?
[09:53] <superm1> Xenocide, there is a dpatch that i assembled for mythweather based on a patch on trac.
[09:53] <superm1> to make it work again
[09:53] <superm1> its going into gutsy packages
[09:53] <Xenocide> ah k
[09:53] <Xenocide> how the gutsy packages looking
[09:53] <superm1> and should hopefully be backported to feisty
[09:53] <Xenocide> .21 not gonna make it?
[09:53] <superm1> all depends on when 0.21 is released


 in fact everything that isn't bq aquaris looks bad
 Pastel shading? Eh? Haha.
 @vonnie thomas [The Volla looks nice but website doesn't say where it is manufactured-do you kno …], Northern Deutschland.
[00:05] <ubptgbot> <vonnie thomas> thank you-how long has it taken you to get yours?
 A long time. Placed the order in early December. Shipped in late January. Ocean freight to Canada by DHL meant this took a long time. It finally got picked up on the tracker again two days ago, and Canada Post predict it should be here by March the 10th at the latest; hopefully faster as I've seen land freight from Montreal to Vanco
[00:08] <ubptgbot> uver should take five or so days, then it has to go onward to my part of BC.
 I was happy to be patient, but if I had mission critical work and needed a UT phone I would have gone for a different device shipped faster directly within Canada.
 [Edit] I was happy to be patient, but if I had mission critical work and needed a UT phone I would have gone for a different device instead, shipped faster directly within Canada.
[01:40] <ubptgbot> madmyth was added by: madmyth
 please support   Asus Zenfone max pro M1 too
[03:39] <ubptgbot> rsainithish was added by: rsainithish
 Put the Volla through more real world tests as a daily driver today - uNav worked great with it, getting a gps lock in under a minute, and giving accurate position and appropriately timed voice commands the whole way - and YouTube ran smoothly for a 30+ minute stretch while waiting in a long drive through line with no issues getting mo
[04:07] <ubptgbot> bile LTE data.
 [Edit] Put the Volla through more real world tests as a daily driver on the road today - uNav worked great with it, getting a gps lock in under a minute, and giving accurate position and appropriately timed voice commands the whole way - and YouTube ran smoothly for a 30+ minute stretch while waiting in a long drive through line with n
[04:07] <ubptgbot> o issues getting mobile LTE data.
 👌
 @madmyth [please support   Asus Zenfone max pro M1 too], hi sadly only those who own that device can bring support to it
 what's up with the updates in system settings stopping to do anything when left alone for some time? 😅
 it's like saying "You had your time to download or install me, I refuse to do anything regardless of how many times you tap me"
 @TartanSpartan [I was happy to be patient, but if I had mission critical work and needed a UT ph …], It would be really nice if Volla had a North American distributor, as well as a  Volla NA edition that was compatible with all the North American GSM based carrier's main LTE bands.  But that would require a bit of expense on their and/
[05:00] <ubptgbot> or the distributor's part in order to fund that edition, as well as to gain FCC approval for the device as well.
 @Javacookies [it's like saying "You had your time to download or install me, I refuse to do an …], haha yeah its not cleared when a new update get downloaded
 @Javacookies [it's like saying "You had your time to download or install me, I refuse to do an …], [Edit] haha yeah its not cleared when a new update gets downloaded
[05:27] <ubptgbot> <johan van de Sande> Voilla i have the vollaphone here very good phone i like it
 @TotalSonic [It would be really nice if Volla had a North American distributor, as well as a …], I'm optimistic about my carriers but only time shall tell for sure.
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 I want Lorimi for my device: Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 pro.  Please evaluate if you could do this.  I always liked Ubuntu touch, but I never had the opportunity to use it.  I'm glad to hear that you've done a great job since Canonical discontinued Ubuntu Touch.  Congratulations!
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 @Daniel [I want Lorimi for my device: Xiaomi Redmi Note 6 pro.  Please evaluate if you co …], does your device has android 9 and support project treble?
 if so you only need to compile boot.img for your device and use gsi
 [Edit] if so you only need to compile boot.img for your device and you'll be able to use gsi
[13:50] <ubptgbot> <Václav Straka> Is it easier to patch the kernel of my device or build a boot.img?
 Can i port it to iPhones
 the problem with iPhones is that, they do not run android
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 Hello everyone, as far as I understand, UBPorts is porting an abandoned Ubuntu Touch to different devices?
[14:02] <ubptgbot> <Václav Straka> They are also updating it
 Well, can I see a kernel like 20.04 in UBPort?
 @Dkostarnov [Well, can I see a kernel like 20.04 in UBPort?], kernels are device specific on Android and in most cases will never get updated so another version past upstream patch levels or backported stuff, the base Ubuntu version however is getting upgrades to 20.04 LTS later as currently it's still on 16.04 LTS
 @Dkostarnov [Well, can I see a kernel like 20.04 in UBPort?], [Edit] kernels are device specific on Android and in most cases will never get updated to another version past upstream patch levels or backported stuff, the base Ubuntu version however is getting upgrades to 20.04 LTS later as currently it's still on 16.04 LTS
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 @Jerry Chase [<reply to media>], very cool spam
[14:35] <ubptgbot> amn1987 was added by: amn1987
 Hi everyone. I haven't had the opportunity to try UBports yet as for both of my devices it's still a WIP. But I would really like to know how it fares when it comes to RAM usage. Is it on par or heavier than stockish Android 10 for ex?
 it fair rather well but it is smoother on 2 gig ram devices
 @amn1987 [Hi everyone. I haven't had the opportunity to try UBports yet as for both of my …], Hard to say because its comparing apples with bananas. But the pure OS might need a bit more RAM then just booted Android. We say min 2GB, better 3GB to run it smoothly
 Yeah
 Thanks for the info.
 some say its related the fact that we need android drivers and services to make android devices usable, but i digress
[14:47] <ubptgbot> <Václav Straka> If i want do flash my Redmi 8a with ubuntu touch device i only need to build the halium-boot right?
 @Václav Straka [If i want do flash my Redmi 8a with ubuntu touch device i only need to build the …], hi that question is better suited for the porting channels
[14:48] <ubptgbot> <Václav Straka> Okay i wasn't sure where to post it, thanks.
 @Václav Straka [If i want do flash my Redmi 8a with ubuntu touch device i only need to build the …], [Edit] hi that question is better suited for the porting channels @halium and @ubports_porting
[15:14] <ubptgbot> puffynull was added by: puffynull
 Has anyone successfully installed Ubuntu Touch on any Samsung Galaxy Tab?
[15:33] <ubptgbot> <ma ma> if i reinstall via installer, will i be able to keep data / how(is there) update option for nexus 4 UT
 @CC_JingOS [Has anyone successfully installed Ubuntu Touch on any Samsung Galaxy Tab?], I do not see it on the devices page https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/ so it seems like there is no port for it yet, so that would be a no.
 Well
 I'm thinking about porting JingOS to my Galaxy Tab
 I'm interested, does JingOS use some technologies similar to Ubuntu Touch?
 Yes, we are based on Ubuntu 20.04
 So I'm here to check which tablet can be ported
 That is indeed interesting!
 Does it currently use hybris?
 So if the Galaxy Tab can port UB, then JingOS too
 Well, not quite
 Do you have anything in place to be able to use SurfaceFlinger, Adreno, and other Android drivers?
 i'm pretty sure jingos does not have any way to use hybris
 @UniversalSuperBox [Does it currently use hybris?], Yes
 Really? On which devices can it be installed?
 We are working on an ARM based device now
 @JingOS_Linux
 Not successfully ported yet
 Oh, okay.
 Maybe you'd like to start with one of the devices that already runs Ubuntu Touch, then. We have hybris figured out to some extent on those.
 Maybe in May, we will port JingOS to the first ARM based device
 And you might like to join us at @halium, since that's where multiple projects get together to work on hybris.
 (and the Android container, and its supporting code)
 Yes, my partner is already at @halium
 So you know JingOS right? I'm not sure people know it or not
 I've heard of it. Y'all get the word out about the product pretty well, but almost nothing is known about its community or development.
 Ok
 where is the source?
[16:08] <ubptgbot> <ma ma> @ma ma [if i reinstall via installer, will i be able to keep data / how(is there) update …], solved
[17:00] <sig_9> hello, I've got a pile of lenova tab10 tablets and was wondering if those would be able to install ubports?
 Not currently, because each android device needs its own custom image created for it. You can find the devices that have such an image at https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io. If you're interested in learning how to make a custom image for your stack of devices, you can check out https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/
 @dohbee [where is the source?], And silence lol
 @Dkostarnov [Well, can I see a kernel like 20.04 in UBPort?], what do you mean `kernel 20.04`?
 ubuntu 20.04 might come to devel channel in march
 @just_carlod [ubuntu 20.04 might come to devel channel in march], 😲🤩
 That seems a little accelerated
 I don't suppose there's an alternative camera app? I'd like one like OpenCamera on Android where you can lock the focus and lock the exposure to stop the video colour and focus changing every time something moves.
 No. Since our camera app is FLOSS anyway the best approach would be to improve it rather than release yet another camera app.
 @ronnietucker [I don't suppose there's an alternative camera app? I'd like one like OpenCamera …], that sounds like feature request :)
 @ronnietucker [I don't suppose there's an alternative camera app? I'd like one like OpenCamera …], Having an alternative is always a good, UT itself is an alternative to android.but  the only problem is skills and resources required to build and maintain them 🙂
 @Sanath [Having an alternative is always a good, UT itself is an alternative to android.b …], uh there not really a need for an alternative if it can all be upstream in the existing one, just look at umatrix and fluffychat
[17:58] <ubptgbot> . was added by: .
 @Fuseteam [uh there not really a need for an alternative if it can all be upstream in the e …], Fluffychat too have alternates elements, neochat,ditto. i am not saying you should always create a new app , If you feel some thing can be done better differently and have the resources to do it, they why not give a try.
 @Sanath [Fluffychat too have alternates elements, neochat,ditto. i am not saying you shou …], on ubuntu touch there were two fluffychat is maintained and grew to include android and ios, while umatrix is unmaintained
 at this stage it is better to focus on one good app than to bring alternatives in that divide the effort endangering both
 @Fuseteam [at this stage it is better to focus on one good app than to bring alternatives i …], 👍
[18:10] <ubptgbot> UbuntuFossa was added by: UbuntuFossa
 @Sanath [Fluffychat too have alternates elements, neochat,ditto. i am not saying you shou …], [Edit] on ubuntu touch there were two: fluffychat is maintained and grew to include android and ios, while umatrix is unmaintained
 it's live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AWxWgs0CN0
 I tried ub touch on a nexus 5 after several months. I liked the progresses...nice keyboard, nice browser, nice ux.
 Really good job guys
 I would use it but i csnt stay without android support unfortunately...i need whatsapp :(
 @UniversalSuperBox OTA *16* :P
 @itdoesntmatt [I would use it but i csnt stay without android support unfortunately...i need wh …], There is Anbox for NExus 5 :)
 Does it work pretty well?
 @itdoesntmatt [Does it work pretty well?], Some apps crash, but last time I've tried, whatsapp was working
 By the way, recently reinstalled Ubuntu touch on my Oneplus 3, but I did not find any single working method to install Anbox on it.... Could anyone help me please? … I've followed the Ubuntu wiki, read Ubports wiki, tested various methods found on XDA with no luck....
 I am sure I may be missing something pretty obvious, but for now I am stuck. And yep, need Anbox too for SPotify and Whatsapp
 [Edit] I am sure I may be missing something pretty obvious, but for now I am stuck. And yep, need Anbox too for Spotify and Whatsapp. Thanks!
[20:02] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> Funny guys on Q&A 98 :-)
 We will be over here for preshow https://whereby.com/ubports-chat
 [Edit] We will be over here for posthow https://whereby.com/ubports-chat
 [Edit] We will be over here for postshow https://whereby.com/ubports-chat
 @Anghirrim [I am sure I may be missing something pretty obvious, but for now I am stuck. And …], There are native solutions for Spotify. I am quite familiar with one if you're CLI-friendly.
[20:12] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/xquIwgZs.png
 (Photo, 556x395) https://irc.ubports.com/9900zVnD.png WHY?!
 @TartanSpartan [There are native solutions for Spotify. I am quite familiar with one if you're C …], Should be OK, as long as at the end I have a GUI 😁
 Never mind it was lieing to me
[20:14] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @PhoenixLandPirate [<reply to media>], Sorry you are on linux device:)
 That said, I won't be able to write my guide for the CLI one until I get my Volla (a matter of days).
 @Ted Rendol [Sorry you are on linux device:)], Yeah when you enable javascript it just reloads the "Unsupported page"
 @TartanSpartan [That said, I won't be able to write my guide for the CLI one until I get my Voll …], No worries :)
 BUt still need Anbox anyway for Whatsapp
[20:17] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah when you enable javascript it just reloads the "Unsupported page"], On UT Ota 16 working
[20:54] <ubptgbot> Tootle2055 was added by: Tootle2055
 @TartanSpartan [There are native solutions for Spotify. I am quite familiar with one if you're C …], Try Futify for spotify https://forums.ubports.com/post/33907
 @man_land [Try Futify for spotify https://forums.ubports.com/post/33907], Yep, I think I have tried it in the past. Thanks!!
 @Anghirrim [Yep, I think I have tried it in the past. Thanks!!], Just a note that Futify requires setting up a premium paid account with Spotify on another device first.
 don't all unofficial clients that aren't web wrappers require this?
 @K31j0 [<reply to media>], Thats a bad mockup but sure the team behind will fixe it
 @PiecerEdd [don't all unofficial clients that aren't web wrappers require this?], yeah, I think Spotify has made it near impossible to have an unofficial app that allows for the free accounts to work.
[22:12] <ubptgbot> lospicus was added by: lospicus


[00:07] <AshTray-> I have a problem with dovecot under Ubuntu Server :|
[00:07] <AshTray-> The app wont start :(
[00:07] <AshTray-> root@blt:~# /etc/init.d/dovecot start
[00:07] <AshTray-> root@blt:~#
[00:08] <jtaji> AshTray-: that's normal, try /etc/init.d/dovecot status
[00:08] <AshTray->  * dovecot is running.
[00:08] <AshTray-> root@blt:~# telnet localhost pop3
[00:08] <AshTray-> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[00:08] <AshTray-> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[00:08] <AshTray-> Same with imap
[00:09] <Deeps> has it been configured to bind to a particular ip, rather than catchall <IP_ADDRESS>?
[00:10] <Deeps> `netstat -anp` would be useful in this instance to show you what processes are handling what socket connections
[00:11] <AshTray-> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    1217455  16952/dovecot
[00:11] <AshTray-> And .. other.
[00:11] <Deeps> no tcp sockets?
[00:12] <AshTray-> How do you tell if it's a tcp socket ?
[00:12] <AshTray-> unix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED     1217499  16952/dovecot
[00:12] <Deeps> first word
[00:12] <Deeps> shows it's a unix socket, rather than a tcp, tcp6, udp or udp6 socket
[00:13] <AshTray-> No. No TCP sockets at all.
[00:13] <Deeps> nothing listening on 110?
[00:14] <AshTray-> http://paste.ubuntu.com/92479/
[00:15] <Deeps> oh, you might need to run as sudo/root
[00:15] <AshTray-> I'm on the root account :)
[00:15] <Deeps> hmm, no, it should still show you anyway
[00:15] <Deeps> thats bizarre
[00:15] <Deeps> what version of ubuntu are you on?
[00:16] <AshTray-> Last version...
[00:16] <Deeps> gutsy? hardy? intrepid?
[00:16] <Deeps> jaunty alpha?
[00:16] <AshTray-> Linux version 2.6.27-7-server (buildd@palmer) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Ubuntu 4.3.2-1ubuntu11) ) #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 20:18:35 UTC 2008
[00:16] <Deeps> lsb_release -a
[00:16] <AshTray-> root@blt:~# lsb_release -a
[00:16] <AshTray-> No LSB modules are available.
[00:16] <AshTray-> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[00:16] <AshTray-> Description:    Ubuntu 8.10
[00:16] <AshTray-> Release:        8.10
[00:16] <AshTray-> Codename:       intrepid
[00:16] <Deeps> intrpid
[00:17] <Deeps> i dunno, maybe they changed the behaviour of netstat in intrepid, thats mighty weird though
[00:18] <Deeps> netstat -tanp give you anything?
[00:18] <AshTray-> Yes :) Enlightement
[00:19] <AshTray-> tcp6       0      0 :::110                  :::*                    LISTEN      16952/dovecot
[00:19] <Deeps> and telnet localhost 110 fails
[00:19] <AshTray-> Yes.
[00:19] <Deeps> you tried specifying numeric 110 instead of service name pop3?
[00:19] <AshTray-> Yes.
[00:20] <Deeps> i'm outta ideas beyond "check the dovecot logs"
[00:25] <AshTray-> Dec 24 23:03:08 blt dovecot: Killed with signal 15
[00:26] <AshTray-> This is the only thing i found
[00:26] <Deeps> to the google machine!
[00:26] <Deeps> gl!
[00:26] <Deeps> nn
[00:26] <AshTray-> nn
[00:27] <AshTray-> Thanks
[01:25] <arrrghhh> if i setup samba with security = share is that enough to prevent the password prompt?  or is there something else i should be doing?
[01:53] <Elite> how do I install SWAT for samba?
[01:58] <belzoradon> Elite: have you tried google?
[01:58] <Elite> Yes
[01:59] <Elite> Actually you know what I haven't but I'm on dial up so this is faster anyways
[01:59] <belzoradon> what exactly is the problem then? i just found 4 howtos
[02:00] <Elite> Well I have samba installed but I am not sure if swat is installed
[02:01] <belzoradon> have you tried typing swat --help?
[02:05] <Elite> nevermind I got it
[02:06] <arrrghhh> dial up?  seriously?
[02:06] <arrrghhh> my free aol hours ran out years ago...
[02:07] <zicada> dialup ? seriously ?
[02:08] <zicada> 2009 in like, 7 days
[02:08] <arrrghhh> lmao
[02:09] <zicada> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RY-eJgHHs&eurl=http://www.alandfaraway.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=41255&start=15
[02:09] <zicada> max high in headset
[02:09] <zicada> yes yes
[02:09] <zicada> merry xmas :D
[02:09] <zicada> and if i hit da switch, i can make da ass drop
[02:09] <zicada> :D
[02:11] <Elite> od damn linux sucks
[02:12] <arrrghhh> Elite, then use windoze
[02:12] <arrrghhh> we don't care
[02:12] <Elite> Windows sucks too haha
[02:13] <arrrghhh> yes, which is why i use linux
[02:13] <arrrghhh> my ubuntu server has been rock solid
[02:16] <arrrghhh> ah well seems like samba's working now.
[02:16] <arrrghhh> cya'll
[02:22] <zicada> Elite: troll
[02:22] <zicada> firestarter
[02:22] <zicada> fuck you linux is better
[02:22] <zicada> :D
[02:43] <xp_prg> what is the package I need to install to get mkpasswd?
[02:45] <zicada> type mkpasswd
[02:46] <zicada> magic ubuntu will inform you
[02:46] <xp_prg> just says mkpasswd not found
[02:46] <foxytheold> *sniggers at lst comment and goes off to bed to sleep*
[02:47] <zicada> night
[02:47] <xp_prg> hello?
[02:47] <foxytheold> night everyone merry xmas n happy new year to all
[02:50] <zicada> google knows all
[02:51] <xp_prg> I did google it
[02:54] <zicada> yeah
[02:54] <xp_prg> it returned a perl module that is all
[02:55] <zicada> im telling tim
[02:55] <zicada> :|
[02:55] <zicada> :D
[05:13] <Kira> In Intrepid Ibex, which apt package(s) do I need to install so that I can start the GNOME environment when I need it?
[06:01] <Tim__Reichhart> could anybody tell me how to unmount my whole old hard drive and put it onto a new hard drive
[06:33] <Tim__Reichhart> if anybody is looking for cheap server here you go: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4133906&Tab=11&NoMapp=
[06:34] <Anirban1987> What are the basic protection I need to apply on a Ubuntu 8.04 Apache server ?
[06:39] <jmarsden> Anirban1987: Read some tutorials on hardening Apache adn LAMP installations... maybe look at http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/hardening_linux and http://www.us.apachecon.com/presentation/materials/42/Hardening_Enterprise_Apache.pptx ?
[06:40] <xp_prg> what is the package for mkpasswd?
[06:41] <Anirban1987> I use APF as firewall . How will you rate it ?
[06:41] <jmarsden> xp_prg: dpkg -S `which mkpasswd`  will tell you ... the answer is whois
[06:43] <jmarsden> Anirban1987: It should be fine if property configured, like any sane iptables-based firewall.  But a firewall is only one part of your overall Linux web server security.
[06:43] <xp_prg> jmarsden that command didn't do anything for me
[06:43] <xp_prg> but your saying the package is whois that has mkpasswd?
[06:44] <jmarsden> xp_prg: Hmm, it worked here.  Yes.
[06:44] <xp_prg> ok cool I have it now!
[06:46] <xp_prg> how do I make sure my ubuntu-server has security updates?
[06:48] <jmarsden> xp_prg: Read the Ubuntu Server Guide, but as a quick check, do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:50] <Anirban1987> I have a problem . I am running Parallel Plesk 9.0.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 x64. If I try to upgrade it to 8.10 will there be any compatibility problem with Plesk ?
[06:50] <jmarsden> xp_prg: See https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html (but read the whole guide it is well worth the time)
[06:51] <turuburu> merry christmas!
[06:54] <jmarsden> Anirban1987: It's probably safest to ask Plesk support about that
[06:55] <Anirban1987> But as I am using the demo version (which allows only 1 domain :( ) . So they just don't care.
[06:57] <jmarsden> Then maybe you should switch to a free software alternative?  ebox?  webmin/virtmin?  Anything reasonable that you have full source code for and the ability to enhance or fix when it breaks?
[06:58] <Anirban1987> They are not as glossy as Plesk or CPanel
[06:58] <jmarsden> OK, then pay for the glossiness and get full support, or hack them to add the desired glossiness :)
[07:01] <JDStone> what should I set the chunk size to for a RAID 5 array with 3 1TB drives
[07:01] <JDStone> ??
[07:02] <Anirban1987> Do u know how to hack it ?
[07:04] <jmarsden> Anirban1987: I've made a few minor mods to virtualmin for my own purposes... but adding glossiness (beyond choosing a nice looking theme) was not a major goal for me.
[07:05] <jmarsden> JDStone: There are no hard and fast rules for that, as far as I know... maybe 256K ?
[07:06] <JDStone> jmarsden: well, the default is 64, right?
[07:06] <JDStone> what's the advantage/disadvantage of using 256K vs. the default 64K
[07:07] <jmarsden> Yes, but for a 2TB array that's probably too small.  Those defalts were created a whiel ago, ebfore 1TB drives were common.
[07:07] <Anirban1987> Then I how can I shift from Plesk to Virtualmin seamlessly without any downtime ?
[07:08] <JDStone> jmarsden: well, actually, it'd be a 1.5TB array. okay, then I'll take your advice, 256K it is
[07:08] <jmarsden> JDStone: It's all about performance on different workloads...  and no, RAID 5 across 3 1Tb drives should get you a 2TB array.  One drive for paritym the otehrs for data.
[07:09] <jmarsden> Anirban1987: I have no idea.  But you can't upgrade to 8.10 with no downtime either.
[07:09] <JDStone> okay, alright. cool.  thanks.  i'm doing 256K then, cool.  thanks again
[07:09] <jmarsden> JDStone: No problem.
[07:10] <Anirban1987> Can u gurantee proper running of Plesk then ? The Plesk site says it supports upto 8.04.
[07:11] <jmarsden> Plesk is proprietary software, I have not used it.  I can't guarantee anything about it :)  Sounds like maybe you should stick to 8.04 until Plesk say they support 8.10
[07:13] <JDStone> jmarsden: did I miss something?  I did "sudo mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 -c256 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1"
[07:13] <JDStone> and I got:
[07:13] <JDStone> "[ 6961.505394] raid5: raid level 5 set md0 active with 2 out of 3 devices, algorithm 2"
[07:14] <JDStone> isn't it supposed to use all 3 drive?
[07:14] <JDStone> *drives
[07:15] <jmarsden> JDStone: I'm not sure at all, but I think that is an OK result, since if you only had 2 devices you could not have RAID5 at all, by definition.
[07:15] <JDStone> what are you talking about
[07:15] <JDStone> I have 3 devices
[07:15] <JDStone> 3 hard drives
[07:15] <JDStone> that's what RIAD5 requires
[07:16] <jmarsden> Right.  So the log message probably means "using 2 of 3 for data, 1 for parity?"  I'm guessing.  It *can't* mean "using two devices total for RAID5", because that is a logical impossibility.
[07:17] <JDStone> oh, okay
[07:19] <JDStone> alright, thanks dude
[07:19] <jmarsden> You can probably do something like sudo cat /proc/mdstat to see what is happening with your software RAID?
[07:19] <jmarsden> No problem
[07:20] <JDStone> yep, that's what I'm looking at now, /proc/mdstat/, thanks
[07:27] <JDStone> jmarsden: when I examine the raid device, it says spares=1
[07:29] <JDStone> it says 3 devices, 1 spare
[07:29] <JDStone> active devices: 2
[07:29] <JDStone> working devices: 3
[07:29] <JDStone> failed devices: 0
[07:29] <JDStone> spare devices: 1
[07:29] <JDStone> i'll wait 'til it's done building
[07:29] <JDStone> or whatever
[07:29] <JDStone> and then see what it says
[07:30] <JDStone> and then I'll ask for help then, if needed
[07:30] <JDStone> sorry to bother you
[07:30] <JDStone> thanks
[07:30] <JDStone> :)
[07:30] <jmarsden> I don't have a software RAID5 machine I can look at to compare with, unfortunately... but that doesn't sound right.  Sounds like you may have build a RAID1 device with a hot spare?
[07:41] <JDStone> yeah, i know, it doesn't sound right
[07:41] <JDStone> but I specified --level=5
[07:43] <JDStone> weird
[07:43] <JDStone> i guess we'll see
[07:44] <jmarsden> Yes, you'll see by the size of the resulting array, I suppose.  What does grep md0 /proc/mdstat say?
[07:47] <JDStone> md0: active raid5 sdd1[3] sdc1[1] sdb1[0]
[07:47] <JDStone> unused devices: <none>
[07:47] <JDStone> 256k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/2] [UU_]
[07:47] <JDStone> and it's recovering
[07:48] <jmarsden> That looks fine.  Perhaps the 3rd drive will show normally once the device build completes.
[07:48] <JDStone> yeah, that's what I'm thinking...
[07:48] <JDStone> we'll see...
[08:14] <jmarsden> JDStone: OK, I found a way to create a software RAID5 device on a single HD on this desktop PC I'm using... and the array created (I made a really small one) with the command you posted looks fine (and looks to be RAID5) once the build completes.
[08:36] <JDStone> alright, cool. thanks for all the help jmarsden
[08:36] <JDStone> goodnight
[08:36] <jmarsden> No problem.  Goodnight.
[10:26] <ghaleb> hello, I'm trying to use LDAP for authentication,  I get results from ldapsearch -x,   libnss-ldap.conf , ldap.conf and  nsswitch.conf configured this way:   http://rafb.net/p/m0iGQZ77.html
[12:52] <AshTray-> Merry Christmas !!
[16:54] <WoLf_Loonie> Hello everyone, and merry christmas =)
[16:54] <WoLf_Loonie> I have an issue (possibly with my router?).. when I check my Apache2 logs, every incoming connection from the WAN side, is recorded as coming from <IP_ADDRESS> (my router's ip) instead of the normal ip address like it used to do with a different setup.. iptables on the router looks fine, and I've tried to blank out iptables on the server, but I can't find a way to fix this issue..
[16:55] <jmarsden> WoLf_Loonie: Merry Christmas, and did this used to work correctly... and if so, what did you change?
[16:56] <WoLf_Loonie> Hello jmarsden, and, I've changed Computer and router =P
[16:57] <jmarsden> That's... a significant change alright!  I'd suspect the router; can you put the "old" router back in place as a test?
[16:58] <WoLf_Loonie> sure thing. I'll be back in about 2 minutes, have to physically switch it and come back =)
[17:02] <WoLf_Loonie> Alright, with the old router, it works as expected.
[17:03] <WoLf_Loonie> (had to switch back to the new one, missing WiFi on the old)
[17:03] <jmarsden> OK, cool, so that has reduced the places to look for the problem by 50% :)
[17:04] <jmarsden> Is the new router a Linux box?  WHat software is it running?
[17:04] <WoLf_Loonie> yes, it is, but I'm not sure how to say what kind it is. can get to the busybox tho, if needed
[17:05] <jmarsden> OK, so it is a commercial embedded device, running... dd-wrt or something like that?
[17:05] <WoLf_Loonie> it's a TP-Link TD-W8920GB
[17:05] <jmarsden> Not one I have heard of, but OK.  Can you pastebin the current iptables ruleset it is using?
[17:05] <WoLf_Loonie> sure, in a sec
[17:07] <jmarsden> Meanwhile I am downloading its PDF manual...
[17:07] <WoLf_Loonie> http://pastebin.com/d42b7cf3b
[17:13] <jmarsden> Looks more or less sane.  A couple of odd ports open, but I assume that is deliberate... but it does not seem to be doing NAT??
[17:14] <WoLf_Loonie> it forwards the port correctly, but any server receiving them, states the connection comes from <IP_ADDRESS> instead of, let's say, <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:15] <WoLf_Loonie> and yes, the four ports open are deliberate, and used from my servers.
[17:16] <WoLf_Loonie> five, forgot ssl irc =P
[17:18] <jmarsden> OK... there are no NAT related rules in that output... maybe adding something like   iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
[17:19] <jmarsden>  woudl do the trick, but it is very puzzling as to why the router doesn't do some POSTROUTING stuff already.
[17:20] <jmarsden> It is almost as though your router is configured as a pure router, not as a NAT firewall.  Is there some checkbox in its user interface for NAT that was forgotten somehow?
[17:21] <WoLf_Loonie> it should be checked, will double check in a second
[17:21] <WoLf_Loonie> .. for some reason I can't add that line to iptables.
[17:22] <WoLf_Loonie> doesn't list any change in iptables -L after adding it.
[17:24] <jmarsden> OK... well, that's narrowed the area of the probelm down significantly.  I can't tell exactly what your router is doing, but if you can get it to create a suitable POSTROUTING rule, I am pretty sure all will then be fine.
[17:25] <jmarsden> Ideally get it to create one itself from its GUI, of course, but if that fails, try by hand as above.  Hmmm, you might need to manually create a NAT ruleset so that the -t nat above works?
[17:26] <WoLf_Loonie> the only checkbox under the nat section in the web configuration is about "ALG: Sip enabled"
[17:26] <WoLf_Loonie> it's on currently.
[17:26] <WoLf_Loonie> elsewhere, can't find any other option that could be related
[17:27] <WoLf_Loonie> (the firmware in this router is really lacking a lot.)
[17:27] <jmarsden> Strange.  Is there updated firmware for the router you can download, maybe??
[17:27] <WoLf_Loonie> already running the latest one, I tried that too
[17:28] <WoLf_Loonie> it gave me telnet access and working UPNP, (that was broken with the old firmware), but still the same behaviour with nat
[17:28] <WoLf_Loonie> if I can't find a way to fix that issue, I'm going to chuck it and get a new one. the only reason why I got this model is cause it has a 108M wireless.
[17:29] <WoLf_Loonie> (that is actually working like a wonder, at 150 meters from my home I still get 25% signal >.>)
[17:29] <jmarsden> OK.  Sadly, a different router may be the quickest way ahead here!  Did running iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s <IP_ADDRESS>/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE  give you any error messages or anything?  It's definitely the "right basic approach"...
[17:30] <jmarsden> Hmmm, can you use both -- use the odl router as a router, and use this oen as an access point behind it?  Best of both worlds?
[17:30] <jmarsden> IF it has an access point mode that could work well for you.
[17:30] <WoLf_Loonie> after entering the iptables line, it just states "hit enter to continue" as it does after every command it runs.
[17:31] <WoLf_Loonie> no errors nor outputs.
[17:31] <jmarsden> Hmm, that's sad.  If you type in junk you get the same thing?
[17:31] <WoLf_Loonie> -> sdfsdf
[17:31] <WoLf_Loonie> sdfsdf: not found
[17:31] <WoLf_Loonie> Hit <enter> to continue
[17:32] <jmarsden> Hmmm, so at least it recognized the iptables command... just apparently did nothing useful with it.
[17:32] <WoLf_Loonie> and giving iptables junk flags, it gives me an iptables error line like expected.
[17:33] <jmarsden> OK.  I'm running out of ideas, in your circumstances I'd be using the old router, and setting up the new one as an access point, I think.
[17:33] <WoLf_Loonie> or buy a very long ethernet cable for the EEE ;P
[17:34] <jmarsden> Well, sure, that's one way to avoid the problem ;)
[17:34] <WoLf_Loonie> hehehe =P
[17:35] <jmarsden> Well, I need to go AFK and help with breakfast here... but at least we now know the cause of the issue.  Sorry we didn't find a working solution.
[17:35] <WoLf_Loonie> to think, I was going crazy to understand why Apache2 was not making any difference with the "deny from all, allow from <IP_ADDRESS>".. till I went to check the logs cause I was running out of ideas.
[17:35] <WoLf_Loonie> alright, thanks a lot for the help anyway =) and have a good breakfast
[17:35] <jmarsden> Thanks.
[17:41] <jtaji> WoLf_Loonie: if you do get a new router get a linksys WRT54GL and load tomato or dd-wrt firmware on it
[17:42] <WoLf_Loonie> I'd like to try a custom firmware for this router too, but I can't find any information on internet about it.
[17:42] <jtaji> what is it?
[17:42] <WoLf_Loonie> sounds like TP-Link is some "second brand" from D-Link, but can't find the relative model
[17:42] <WoLf_Loonie> it's a TP-Link TD-W8920GB
[17:43] <jtaji> basically unless it's a broadcom based one with enough flash that supports linux you are pretty out of luck
[17:43] <WoLf_Loonie> well, it's already running a busybox, so I guess it's only a matter of finding which firmware is compatible =P
[18:06] <jmarsden> WoLf_Loonie: There is an "Enable NAT" checkbox referred to on page 32 of the user manual... might be worth a look?  Figure 5-11
[18:24] <WoLf_Loonie> Sorry jmarsden, was deep into browsing google trying to find anything related to this issue, and I didn't hear the highlight
[18:24] <jmarsden> No problem... I was eating :)
[18:24] <WoLf_Loonie> under which section is the Enable Nat checkbox?
[18:24] <WoLf_Loonie> don't have the manual handy..
[18:26] <WoLf_Loonie> downloading the pdf ;P
[18:34] <WoLf_Loonie> O.o I don't have a figure 5-11 on that manual.. lol. anyway, it may be under the ADSL settings, will try to remake the connection and see what I can find in there.
[18:35] <WoLf_Loonie> I'll ba back (I hope ;P)
[18:35] <WoLf_Loonie> be*
[18:50] <jmarsden> http://www.atel.com.pl/doc/MAN_TD-W8920G.pdf
[19:02] <WoLf_Loonie> nothing, hmm.
[19:02] <WoLf_Loonie> but I noticed something in the logs of the router, going to pastebin it
[19:04] <jmarsden> Did you download the same version of the manual I found?
[19:05] <WoLf_Loonie> http://pastebin.com/d4f9a7153
[19:05] <WoLf_Loonie> dunno, I checked on the one from tp-link own website
[19:06] <WoLf_Loonie> anyway, that's the log of a reboot of the router
[19:06] <WoLf_Loonie> iptables -L still returns the same as before.
[19:08] <jmarsden> Ah, http://www.tp-link.com/english/soft/200862154858.pdf has it as Figure 4-11
[19:10] <WoLf_Loonie> *nods*
[19:10] <jmarsden> Lines 40 and 41 in your output look like actual errors...
[19:11] <WoLf_Loonie> I checked on that, re-created the adsl connection, and triple checked it stated nat enabled.
[19:11] <jmarsden> And the POSTROUTING stuff does seem to be happening at boot, which is interesting.
[19:11] <WoLf_Loonie> *nods* noticed that and the error. I wonder if it's related?
[19:12] <WoLf_Loonie> cause iptables then doesn't state anything about it. shouldn't it have a line for that?
[19:12] <jmarsden> Does    iptables -t nat -n -L   show you anything?
[19:15] <WoLf_Loonie> http://pastebin.com/d5ed441c5
[19:16] <WoLf_Loonie> 79.* is my current WAN ip.
[19:17] <jmarsden> OK.  Well, looks from that as though it really is doing NAT after all.
[19:19] <jmarsden> I'm not entirely convinced all the SNAT rules are really desirable... if you want to experiment, try deleting them?  Esp line 20, the one for port 80?
[19:20] <WoLf_Loonie> removing the forwarding?
[19:20] <Elite> Hey, how do I find out what version of ubuntu server I am running?
[19:21] <jmarsden> Elite: cat /etc/lsb-release
[19:22] <Elite> Nice thanks
[19:22] <jmarsden> WoLf_Loonie: the redirect of line 8 (DNAT) should still get the packets to your server...
[19:22] <jmarsden> BUt maybe will avoid rewriting the source address if you cn remove the line 20 SNAT
[19:23] <jmarsden> Elite: No problem.
[19:24] <WoLf_Loonie> sure thing, how can I do that? on the web interface I can only add or remove the forwarding, and I'm not that close friend with iptables advanced stuff =)
[19:26] <jmarsden> FInd the rule number from  iptables -t nat -n -L -v and then use iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING X   # where X is the number of the rule
[19:26] <jmarsden> BTW, man iptables is your friend for this kind of thing :)
[19:27] <WoLf_Loonie> =)
[19:30] <WoLf_Loonie> *bounces around*
[19:31] <WoLf_Loonie> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [25/Dec/2008:20:29:51 +0100] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 403 226 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Wi
[19:31] <WoLf_Loonie> that was it
[19:31] <jmarsden> That worked?  Cool.
[19:31] <jmarsden> How to keep that from coming back when you reboot is beyond me, but at least you now have a sort-of solution!
[19:31] <WoLf_Loonie> so I guess I should remove every snat entry?
[19:31] <jmarsden> Yes, I think so.
[19:32] <WoLf_Loonie> hmm, the other rules all state 0 as first number O.o
[19:33] <WoLf_Loonie> where the port 80 one was listing 4 (and I used 4 to remove it) .. if that was just luck, I'm gonna laugh ;P
[19:33] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  Pastebin iptables -t nat -n -L -v   output for me?
[19:34] <WoLf_Loonie> http://pastebin.com/d4911c448
[19:36] <jmarsden> Oh... yes, you can laugh... that was the number of packets not the rule number :)  Just use   iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 2   several times and you should be all set
[19:36] <WoLf_Loonie> hahahaha =P
[19:37] <WoLf_Loonie> yeah I figured there was something wrong afterward =P but hey, it worked =P it's christmas, after all =P
[19:37] <WoLf_Loonie> lol
[19:38] <WoLf_Loonie> Basically, everytime I reboot the router I'll have to remove the snat entries.
[19:38] <WoLf_Loonie> well, cheaper than having to buy a new one =P
[19:38] <WoLf_Loonie> hehe
[19:39] <WoLf_Loonie> Thanks really a lot.
[19:40] <jmarsden> No problem.  BTW to see the rule numbers you use the --line-numbers option to iptables (I just read man iptables some more)
[19:41] <WoLf_Loonie> =) will study it, maybe I'll find how to get it to work correctly in first place =)
[19:42] <jmarsden> OK, I'm going AFK for a bit, almost time to carve a turkey...
[19:42] <WoLf_Loonie> Have a good turkey! =)
[19:42] <WoLf_Loonie> hehe
[20:07] <JDStone> jmarsden: yep, everything looks good now.
[20:09] <WoLf_Loonie> whee, netsplit.
[20:11] <LoveGuru> ;\


[13:30] <onkarshinde> Is it possible to remove certain binary from archive?
[13:30] <tumbleweed> can we remove the sources that build it too?
[13:33] <onkarshinde> My query is in regard to bug #903382 It will be reat if someone with more knowledge about archive look at it and let me know which is feasible approach.
[13:37] <ampelbein_> onkarshinde: micah's suggestion looks sensible, did you try it?
[13:38] <geser> onkarshinde: 1) isn't possible (archive constraint that published packages mustn't change)
[13:38] <Laney> yes, just rebuild it
[13:38] <geser> so your only option is to do a new SRU
[13:38] <onkarshinde> Bumping the version means that I will have to work on SRU. Also the 'no change rebuild' SRUs are supposed to be clubbed with other SRUs. So I just wanted to check if '1' was possible. And 'geser' just said no. :-)
[13:39] <onkarshinde> By the way, isn't this a bug if 'precise' binary got copied to 'oneiric-proposed' in case of FTBFS.
[13:40] <geser> yes, checking if LP shows what happened
[13:41] <tumbleweed> removing it would mean replacing the binary currently published in precise, where it *is* installable
[13:42] <tumbleweed> so yes, rebuild
[13:43] <geser> wouldn't precise need an upload too? to guarantee that (version in oneiric(-updates) <= version in precise)?
[13:44] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:16] <Laney> woe is buildd backlog
[15:49] <studentz> New in MOTU & running Oneric. My q? Which dist should replace <release> (Oneric or Precise) in this command pbuilder-dist <release> create. Thanks for your patient.
[15:50] <psusi> whichever one you want
[15:51] <studentz> psusi Thanks.
[15:51] <psusi> presumably you want oneiric if you are planning on backporting, precise otherwise
[15:51] <psusi> or if you are just building to install yourself on oneiric
[16:17] <studentz> Hi there: I got an error with pbuilder  http://paste.ubuntu.com/769099/       Sorry bother you. What I'm doing wrong?
[16:40] <psusi> are you running ubuntu or setting up an ubuntu pbuilder on debian?
[16:41] <psusi> it looks like you're missing the ubuntu archive keys... install ubuntu-keyring
[16:41] <studentz> psusi running Ubuntu Oneiric .
[16:45] <studentz> psusi  ubuntu-keyring already installed. Also I have a gpg  exported and ssh key.
[16:47] <psusi> I usually just use pbuilder, not pbuilder-dist
[16:51] <studentz> psusi something like pbuilder create or pbuilder oneiric create ?
[16:56] <psusi> studentz: you have to set up a .pbuilderrc and configure it for what release and so on... I didn't know about pbuilder-dist, which looks like it handles most of that for you automatically which seems nice...
[18:07] <hyperair> jtaylor: ping
[18:07] <jtaylor> hyperair: pong
[18:07] <hyperair> jtaylor: regarding the gtk+ backport, do you know which bugs are fixed by 2.24.7?
[18:08] <jtaylor> one in easymp3gain and one in geany
[18:08] <jtaylor> one moment
[18:09] <jtaylor> Bug 875878 and Bug 851383
[18:10] <jtaylor> its possible there there are more in other gtk2 packages
[18:16] <jtaylor> its time for my first motu action :)
[18:16] <jtaylor> is this correct: syncpackage -d unstable pyzmq
[18:17] <jtaylor> (from unstable as precise already has zmq 2.10 so we need to upgrade, its not in testing due to a failure on arm)
[18:17] <jtaylor> and I'm curious if it builds on armhf
[18:23] <micahg> jtaylor: click ports on the PTS page
[18:23] <jtaylor> ah it built there
[18:23] <jtaylor> weird
[18:26] <jtaylor> I'd still like to sync it, as right now ir ftbs on all arches in precise due to b-d zeromq < 2.10
[18:26] <jtaylor> it works fine on i386 + amd64 and I plan to investigate the arm issue when I find the time
[18:30] <micahg> jtaylor: sounds good
[18:33] <hyperair> jtaylor: both bugs look like they come from gtkfilechooser being broken.
[18:34] <jtaylor> yes that is the source of the bugs
[18:34] <hyperair> jtaylor: the diff between 2.46.6 and 2.46.7 is pretty damn big. is it really not feasible to backport patches?
[18:34] <jtaylor> both fixed in .7
[18:34] <jtaylor> not really
[18:35] <jtaylor> the patch is not small and something of the 1000 line diff can easily be forgotten
[18:35] <jtaylor> pretty much the complete source file was refactored between .5 and .6 leading to the breakage
[18:35] <hyperair> urgh
[18:35] <jtaylor> + another huge diff to fix that again
[18:35] <hyperair> i see.
[18:36] <jtaylor> I'm running on .8 from precise currently
[18:36] <hyperair> hm
[18:37] <jtaylor> in one of the bugs is a backport attempt for the geany issue, but it does not fix the mp3gain issue
[18:37] <jtaylor> fixing that will probably pull the rest of the .7 changes
[18:37] <hyperair> i see.
[18:38] <hyperair> with geany, there's actually a workaround upstream that fixes the issue, but the diff for that is nontrivial and involves some refactoring again.
[19:22] <hyperair> jtaylor: huh, i see a patch in gtk+ that already fixes the filechooser issue with geany, and i can't seem to reproduce it here.
[19:22] <hyperair> werid.
[19:22] <jtaylor> yes its incomplete
[19:22] <jtaylor> I could still reproduce it with the patch
[19:22] <jtaylor> as a few others but not all
[19:23] <hyperair> i see.
[19:26] <jtaylor> great pyzmq fails on the archive builders but works fine in my chroot ...
[19:27] <ScottK> jtaylor: build log?
[19:27] <broder> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/87386428/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.pyzmq_2.1.10-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:27] <broder> there are...a lot of test failures there
[19:29] <broder> unfortunately the output from the test suite isn't very useful
[19:29]  * Zhenech_ smells some network-needing tests and your buildd-chroots forbidding it and then disappears
[19:29] <jtaylor> it should not need network
[19:29] <jtaylor> its the same testsuite as all versions before which worked fine on the builders
[19:30] <broder> it is using network - at least one of the failures is from binding to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:30] <broder> but that should work
[19:31] <broder> i wonder if the buildd's network access is firewalled off in some dumb way that causes problems
[19:32] <tumbleweed> I've never seen binding to <IP_ADDRESS> be a problem before
[19:38] <tumbleweed> hrm, SpamapS is talking about similar problems in #ubuntu-devel
[19:38] <ajmitch> I've seen binding to localhost fail, and binding to <IP_ADDRESS> succeed
[19:38] <ajmitch> iirc that was because of buggy ipv6 code


[17:52] <falktx> hey there
[17:52] <falktx> I pushed the ladish package to ubuntu's revu
[17:52] <falktx> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ladish
[17:52] <falktx> can someone review it?


[00:12] <dodger> ScottK: will do
[00:13] <ScottK> Thanks.
[00:13] <d_ed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-kde-telepathy/+bug/1313611
[00:14] <d_ed> dodger: ^
[00:14] <dodger> ty, was just googling for it :P
[08:20] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:43] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[15:32] <mitya57> Hi, I have prepared Qt 4.8.6 merge in Bzr, is anybody interested in sponsoring it? Test packages are in ppa:mitya57/test2.
[15:32] <mitya57> shadeslayer: ^
[15:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1315693] qt-demos doesn't have a desktop file (not in menu) @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315693 (by Alexander Sashnov)
[15:55] <ScottK> mitya57: sgclark (who's not here now) was working on that with Riddell too.  Not sure what the status is.
[15:59] <mitya57> OK, I'll let sgclark know when he is here.
[16:03] <ScottK> She actually, but great.
[16:08] <mitya57> Ah, indeed, sorry.
[16:10] <ScottK> It is hard to tell just from initials.
[16:46] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1315703] Keyboard shortcuts don't work for non-English layouts @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1315703 (by Christian Mertes)
[17:31] <manchicken> apachelogger: ping
[18:17] <manchicken> apachelogger: This script doesn't actually upload to incoming, that's the problem.
[19:10] <ScottK> xnox: Why are there boost reasons kdepim-dev isn't installable (see the build log for the kopete upload I just did)?
[20:25] <xnox> ScottK: strange, i'll check. on my books i did make kdepim-dev installable as early as possible in the transition.
[20:31] <xnox> apt-get install libakonadi-dev kdepim-dev -> is installable.
[20:34] <xnox> ScottK: kopete it self is at fault =)
[20:35] <xnox> ScottK: kde-pim depends on boost1.55-dev, kopete declares build-dependency on boost1.54-dev -> the two boost dev packages are not co-installable
[20:39] <xnox> there are 24 packges like that. i should really fix up the tracker to include / show those up.
[20:55] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kopete/4:4.13.0-0ubuntu3
[20:55] <xnox> looks good.
[21:05] <ScottK> xnox: Thanks.
[21:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: did you accept homerun for trusty?
[21:17] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[21:17] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks alot :3
[21:33] <valorie> hi people, this is written in C++ according to the webpage: www.noobslab.com/2014/02/unofficial-google-drive-grive-tools.html
[21:33] <valorie> any reason we couldn't package it and make it official?
[22:14] <dodger> speaking of cloud storage, we should make it easier for people to set up a secondary ecryptfs, for example for cloud storage sync folders
[22:14] <dodger> it took about 5-10 minutes to set one up for me via terminal, so it's not terrible, but a GUI would be nice
[22:14] <valorie> owncloud doesn't do that, dodger?
[22:15] <dodger> valorie: ah, i don't know - i was talking about commercial services like gdrive, copy, dropbox, etc.
[22:15] <dodger> generally, making it easy and straightforward to set up ecryptfs volumes would be nice :)
[22:16] <valorie> the one Riddell uses is encrypted by default
[22:16] <dodger> then again, i'm not the 99% case of the userbase, and i've turned into a paranoid fellow here recently, so i'm probably not a good measure to gauge by
[22:16] <valorie> trying to remember the name
[22:16] <valorie> spideroak
[22:16] <dodger> ah yes
[22:16] <valorie> I used it for awhile; should start again
[22:17] <dodger> i don't trust it if i don't encrypt it and can be sure that only i have the key :P
[22:17] <dodger> ecryptfs works fantastically for that, it's just not trivial to set up
[22:19] <valorie> well, that is spideroaks entire reputation
[22:19] <valorie> encryption and they don't have your key
[22:20] <dodger> that's a good start - but didn't dropbox say something similar at some point?
[22:20] <dodger> like i said, i've turned a bit paranoid :P
[22:21] <valorie> no
[22:22] <valorie> they have never said that, so I only use it for sharing photos and such
[22:22] <dodger> ah... must have been a different one i'm thinking of
[22:22] <valorie> saving text files I want to share on all computers, etc.
[22:22] <valorie> I figure anyone can break into dropbox, or in the case of the NSA: they already have a backdoor
[22:23] <dodger> yeah
[22:23] <valorie> spideroak is in Australia
[22:23] <dodger> that doesn't necessarily mean much for security though
[22:23] <valorie> no, but read up on them if you are interested
[22:23] <dodger> i will
[22:23] <valorie> security is their bottom line
[22:23] <valorie> not some add-on
[22:23] <dodger> i'd like to regain some trust in humanity :P
[22:25] <dodger> on the plus side of this whole security mess, i've learned a lot about cryptography in the last 6 months ;)
[22:26] <valorie> I wish i had time
[22:26] <valorie> I would like to run a more secure box
[22:26] <dodger> i think for the most part, we're not bad off... apparmor and tripwire are a pretty good start
[22:27] <valorie> that said, it's almost time to set off for dinner
[22:27] <dodger> i mean, it's always a compromise between security and convenience
[22:27] <valorie> I'll google those, dodger
[22:27] <valorie> and that's my problem
[22:27] <valorie> I value convenience highly
[22:27] <dodger> you can do a lot without giving up much convenience
[22:29] <valorie> netwizards.co.uk/installing-tripwire-on-ubuntu/ - gah
[22:30] <dodger> yeah, that's what i mean about making it easy
[22:30] <valorie> already a bit lost reading that
[22:30] <dodger> OS' have a ways to go in providing more security by default
[22:31] <dodger> i'd like to see free operating systems do stuff like make the user generate GPG keys on install... stuff like that
[22:32] <valorie> well, I'm not sure most people need GPG keys
[22:32] <dodger> I wasn't, at first
[22:32] <valorie> given that it isn't that easy to use them with email
[22:32] <valorie> I don't, these days, since firegpg disappeared from gmail
[22:32] <dodger> yeah
[22:32] <dodger> i used to use the gmail web client
[22:32] <valorie> I really should try harder to use kmail again
[22:32] <dodger> but  now switched back to kmail
[22:33] <dodger> because of the encryption and signing capabilities
[22:33] <valorie> well, my main focus now is my dad, who is now in a nursing home
[22:33] <valorie> when he's gone, I'll have more time, and focus more on technical stuff, helping out more, etc.
[22:34] <dodger> family always comes before everything else :)
[22:34] <dodger> i'm just starting to actually contribute, really... figured I've been using Linux and KDE for long enough, time to give something back
[22:34] <valorie> that's what got me here as well
[22:35] <valorie> once the last kid moved out
[22:35] <valorie> anyway, time to head out
[22:35] <valorie> nice talking to you, dodger
[22:39] <dodger> likewise, valorie


[09:14] <rmg51> Morning
[10:05] <JonathanD> Howdy.
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning people, critters and everything else
[13:34] <lazyPower> \o


[23:51] <emr7240> Anyone here help me get a HD mounted?
[23:53] <s0ulburn1> sudo mount -t (filesystem type) /dev/(device type) /mount point (where you want to mount it to
[23:53] <emr7240> do i need to set up a mount point?
[23:54] <emr7240> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/??
[23:55] <s0ulburn1> that should work
[23:56] <s0ulburn1> I know i set my slave IDE to mount to /src and added the needed stuff in /etc/fstab so it mounts automatically on boot
[23:56] <emr7240> $MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0).
[23:56] <s0ulburn1> youll need to tell it what type of filesystem it is
[23:57] <emr7240> this is a external HD that worked up until a day ago
[23:58] <emr7240> i would like it to appear on the desktop like it did before
[23:59] <s0ulburn1> man mount