[12:07] <zyga> raphink: nice diagram
[12:07] <raphink> zyga: thanks :)
[12:07] <raphink> it's not really the diagram I mind about
[12:07] <raphink> but rather the use of it
[12:07] <raphink> which was to reorganize the MOTU Wiki doc in pseudo directories
[12:15] <zyga> eh
[12:16] <raphink> ;)
[12:16] <zyga> the wold is a really strange place
[12:18] <raphink> zyga: why?
[12:18] <zyga> http://www.suxx.pl/blog/index.php/2006/02/03/we-all-live-in-a-yellow-submarine-yellow-submarine/
[12:18] <zyga> our government should be taken to another planet or thrown into a black hole
[12:19] <zyga> or at least sentenced for life doing hard, manual labour
[12:19] <zyga> or just shoot ...
[12:19] <zyga> what imbeciles
[12:21] <raphink> ;(
[12:22] <zyga> I really don't know how to express my exact feelings in english
[12:58] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[12:59] <\sh> moins ajmitch
[12:59] <\sh> how easy it is, to run tomcat5 and suns 1.5 jdk on dapper amd64 :)
[01:01] <ajmitch> no idea :)
[01:01] <\sh> ajmitch: it is very easy :)
[01:01] <ajmitch> I've never felt the need to bludgeon myself with java
[01:02] <\sh> ajmitch: well, when I did the work for this company last week, I had to deal with suse  tomcat and java :)
[01:02] <ajmitch> ah
[01:02] <ajmitch> don't worry, I'm doing C# work next week
[01:02] <\sh> ajmitch: fixed a couple of installation issues, fixed something inside their java sources (without having a clue about java)
[01:03] <\sh> ajmitch: that's why I'm starting to learn a bit more java now :)
[01:10] <ajmitch> yay, new gtk# in sid
[01:10] <ajmitch> now I can upload f-spot
[01:19] <ajmitch> yay, BenC merged the ACPICA changes
[01:20] <ajmitch> hopefully my battery will show up & I can get info with the next kernel build
[01:21] <\sh> ajmitch: i tested infinities madwifi-ng drivers...
[01:21] <\sh> ajmitch: didn't work at all
[01:21] <ajmitch> :(
[01:22] <ajmitch> the main thing remaining is ALSA fixes for me
[01:22] <ajmitch> maybe if I'm bored on the plane... ;)
[01:25] <jsgotangco> dude
[01:25] <tseng> dude.
[01:25] <jsgotangco> you're just going to the western island
[01:26] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:26] <ajmitch> it's just a short trip
[01:26] <jsgotangco> western island
[01:26] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:26] <ajmitch> afternoon tseng, gtk# hit incoming.d.o
[01:26] <tseng> hot
[01:27] <siretart> hi folks
[01:27] <siretart> \sh: there is a "how to sync with soyuz howto" somewhere?
[01:28] <\sh> siretart: no..but there should be one :)
[01:28] <ajmitch> depends if anything actually changes with the move to soyuz
[01:28] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[01:28] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[01:31] <siretart> \sh: I think this could be this spec: https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/PackageSourceManagement
[01:32] <ajmitch> I wonder how  many hours it'll take to build a kernel on my laptop
[01:33] <\sh> siretart: but I don't think it's already implemented...well, we see the day after tomorrow :)
[01:34] <ajmitch> it's launchpad
[01:34] <ajmitch> don't expect it until after 2008
[01:34] <jsgotangco> wow
[01:35] <jsgotangco> 2 year wait huh
[01:35] <jsgotangco> just like going to mars
[01:35] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: we were meant to switch to malone last july
[01:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:38] <ajmitch> i don't know when we'll see the use of hct, and personal package archives, and all the other wonderful crack
[01:39] <siretart> we will see what happens. we cannot change that anyway
[01:40] <jsgotangco> he somehow the distro team gets plagued while the lp team seem to go fine
[01:41] <ajmitch> it's a conspiracy
[01:41] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+builds
[01:41] <ajmitch> 1   20  of 108831 results
[01:41] <ajmitch> I *love* paged results
[01:42] <siretart> ajmitch: better look hat https://staging.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+builds
[01:42] <ajmitch> siretart: I know
[01:42] <siretart> ajmitch: that one does have useful buildlogs
[01:42] <siretart> pl
[01:42] <siretart> ok
[01:42] <ajmitch> I was just commenting on the large number of results & the nasty UI that everyone complains about :)
[01:43] <ajmitch> siretart: conveniently, mpt lives about 2 minutes walk from me :)
[01:44] <ajmitch> > 1700 failed builds on staging
[01:45] <ajmitch> and no way to break them down by arch?
[01:46] <ajmitch> the launchpad guys are going to love the number of UI bugs we can file here..
[01:55] <\sh> I wonder if it's possible to attach a buildd environment from other machines then canonicals ;)
[01:56] <raphink> just completed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation :)
[01:56] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:56] <jsgotangco> awesome
[01:57] <raphink> :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> \sh: depends on who they'll trust
[01:58] <\sh> ajmitch: well, thinking of personal package archives :) it would be cool, if someone can attach his own buildd env.
[01:58] <ajmitch> yeah
[01:58] <ajmitch> -rw-r--r--  1 ajmitch ajmitch 526M 2006-02-03 13:58 linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-15.20.tar.gz.new
[01:58] <ajmitch> and still growing
[01:59] <ajmitch> running debuild on a git checkout might not be smart ;)
[02:06] <\sh> I love ubuntu...ubuntu forever
[02:07] <\sh> eclipse installation including all plugins I need, it's far more easy then on gentoo
[02:08] <ajmitch> mpt was wearing a good shirt to LCA - "Your Favourite Distro Sucks"
[02:08] <ajmitch> very true ;)
[02:08] <Kyral> then why do I catch hell for being affliated with Ubuntu?
[02:08] <ajmitch> because ubuntu sucks
[02:09] <Kyral> mitch..I was just owned by an exam, I don't feel like sarcasm
[02:09] <ajmitch> oh it wasn't sarcastic
[02:09] <Kyral> ...
[02:09] <ajmitch> ubuntu does suck in many & numerous ways
[02:10] <Kyral> Compared to things like SuSE....we are still behind
[02:10] <ajmitch> in certain areas
[02:10] <Kyral> *cough*Yast*cough*
[02:10] <ajmitch> you don't need to cough
[02:10] <Kyral> sorry
[02:10] <raphink> Kyral: you're volunteering to help porting yast ?
[02:11] <Kyral> raphink: I had a mind to write a whole new app
[02:11] <raphink> oh nice :)
[02:11] <Kyral> I've heard conflicting things about Yast4Debian
[02:11] <raphink> would you like to write us a new package manager like finkcommander, too?
[02:12] <ajmitch> I'll be impressed if you can pull off something comparable to what I've heard yast described as
[02:12] <Kyral> ajmitch: yast is nuts
[02:12] <Kyral> I installed OpenSuSE in a VM and was blown away
[02:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:13] <Kyral> Only PITA was adding an Install Repo
[02:13] <ajmitch> Kyral: what's so special about it?
[02:14] <Kyral> Uhh, setup everything in like 4 clicks at most
[02:14] <jsgotangco> yeah adding repos and updating them are horrible
[02:14] <jsgotangco> you can even go wild on xinted on yast
[02:14] <raphink> ajmitch: could you update the /topic and s/MOTUTodo/MOTU\/Documentation/ in it please?
[02:14] <Kyral> You want a webserver, just fire up Yast and click click click done
[02:15] <Kyral> it even adjusts IPTables for you
[02:15] <jsgotangco> yeah, i almost used it straight for a week till i woke up
[02:15] <Kyral> woke up?
[02:15] <jsgotangco> and went back to reality
[02:15] <Kyral> ???
[02:15] <ajmitch> raphink: you can do it
[02:15] <jsgotangco> (of using ubuntu)
[02:15] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:16] <raphink> ajmitch: i'm not an admin here
[02:16] <ajmitch> raphink: neither am I
[02:16] <Kyral> I mean I'm happy with Ubuntu
[02:16] <ajmitch> and the topic isn't locked
[02:16] <raphink> ajmitch: yes you are :p
[02:16] <jsgotangco> Kyral, i understand how you feel
[02:16] <Kyral> but I like saw it through the newbie eyes for a second
[02:16] <raphink> oh no you're level -1
[02:16] <raphink> lol
[02:16] <jsgotangco> Kyral, its extremely polished on the frontend stuff
[02:16] <raphink> sorry
[02:16] <Kyral> jsgotangco: and thats what Newbies want
[02:16] <raphink> oooh there are only 2 admins here
[02:16] <raphink> Riddell and sladen
[02:16] <raphink> never seen sladen
[02:17] <ajmitch> he's around fairly often
[02:17] <ajmitch> not so active in this channel
[02:17] <raphink> ok
[02:17] <raphink> how come there are not more of them?
[02:17] <ajmitch> because there aren't
[02:17] <raphink> hehe ;)
[02:17] <raphink> good answer
[02:17] <raphink> Riddell: could you update the /topic and s/MOTUTodo/MOTU\/Documentation/ in it please?
[02:17] <ajmitch> raphink: I just told you, the topic is not locked
[02:17] <raphink> ah!
[02:17] <raphink> huhu
[02:18] <raphink> *blush*
[02:18] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:47] <\sh> DESTROY JAVA
[02:47] <\sh> how sick is this
[02:47] <\sh> 			jCheckBox.addActionListener(new java.awt.event.ActionListener() {
[02:47] <\sh> 				public void actionPerformed(java.awt.event.ActionEvent e) {
[02:47] <\sh> 					System.out.println("actionPerformed()"); // TODO Auto-generated Event stub actionPerformed()
[02:47] <\sh> 					jCheckBox.setText(jCheckBox.isSelected() ? "Message on" :"Message Off");
[02:47] <\sh> 				}
[02:47] <\sh> 			});
[02:48] <ajmitch> haha
[02:48] <ajmitch> java == evil
[02:49] <\sh> well, I know what it does...but this is not in my style of pure OOP
[02:49] <Lathiat> ewww
[02:49] <Lathiat> EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[02:51] <ajmitch> yay, alsa 1.0.11rc3
[02:51] <Lathiat> works with yoru laptop?
[02:52] <ajmitch> dunno yet
[02:52] <ajmitch> I've got to test it out
[02:52] <ajmitch> first step is to rebuild with the new acpi patches from benc's git tree
[02:53] <Lathiat> this trackpad is driving me nuts
[02:53] <Lathiat> garrr
[02:53] <ajmitch> then I might attempt to merge in the alsa tree
[02:53] <ajmitch> depends on how brave I'm feeling
[02:57] <\sh> good night people :)
[03:04] <Lathiat> hrm libc6-dev is uninstallable
[03:04] <Lathiat> annoying
[03:10] <ajmitch> Lathiat: how so?
[03:11] <Lathiat> ah i lied
[03:11] <Lathiat> im a tool
[03:11] <Lathiat> i had breezy sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <ajmitch> heh
[03:11] <Lathiat> i wgetted my standard sources.list
[03:11] <Lathiat> and forgot to breezy-.dapper
[03:12] <ajmitch> not while you were listening, at any rate :)
[03:16] <ajmitch> yay, kernel is (slowly) compiling
[03:16] <ajmitch> in a few hours I might have something to play with
[03:16] <jsgotangco> oohh sabdfl hit the local news
[03:17] <ajmitch> yeah he was on the front page of the local paper when he was here
[03:18] <ajmitch> we don't often get celebrities like him in town ;)
[03:19] <jsgotangco> he was lowkey here but upbeat
[03:20] <ajmitch> Lathiat: have you played with using distcc & pbuilder?
[03:21] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nope
[03:21] <Lathiat> i saw some mention of a more official motu tools package now but i cant find any references to it?
[03:22] <Lathiat> ajmitch: let me know i should probablky get both my machines vbuilding :)
[03:22] <ajmitch> pbuilder, distcc & ccache are probably useful to use together
[03:22] <Lathiat> looked at ccontrol?
[03:23] <Lathiat> ah ok i found those tools now, it was under the merging page
[03:23] <Lathiat> (oddly enough ;)
[03:23] <ajmitch> no, I haven't seen ccontrol
[03:24] <Lathiat> http://ccontrol.ozlabs.org i think
[03:24] <ajmitch> ah, more rusty code :)
[03:24] <ajmitch> do you trust code written by a porn star? ;)
[03:24] <Lathiat> .
[03:25] <Lathiat> heh
[03:27] <jsgotangco> porn star?
[03:27] <ajmitch> Lathiat: distcc works with avahi?
[03:27] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh theres a patch for it lennart wrote
[03:27] <Lathiat> check the list archives
[03:27] <ajmitch> ok
[03:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: the debian packaging patches on the ccontrol mailing list scare me
[03:47] <Lathiat> ajmitch: heh why
[03:47] <ajmitch> things like updating debian/changelog in configure
[03:47] <ajmitch> and the other patches are just stock dh_make
[03:48] <ajmitch> I see that xen is now going to be a toggleable option for the i386 arch, rather than an arch in itself
[04:01] <Lathiat> interesting
[04:01] <Lathiat> does it need hard support or can it still run native with xen compiled in?
[04:08] <Kyral> I think I know what to do
[04:22] <Kyral> yo jsgotangco
[04:22] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:22] <Kyral> sup?
[04:22] <jsgotangco> dsl is shitty since morning
[04:23] <Kyral> ah
[04:23] <Kyral> I'm thinking about joining the FSF
[04:24] <Kyral> Seems like the "right thing" :D
[04:29] <Kyral> ..*shrug*
[04:32] <Lathiat> hrm, twisted-doc is b0rked
[04:37] <Yagisan> G'day all. Anyone with a debian sid box here ? if so, is nmap 4 available yet ? (sorry to bother, but p.d.o is down)
[04:47] <plugwash> i don't have a sid box handy but i just checked the release file by hand and it seems it is
[04:50] <crimsun> Yagisan: I use packages.qa.debian.org these days.  http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nmap.html
[04:52] <Yagisan> thanks. nmap is main isn't it ? who should I bother to request a sync ?
[04:53] <ajmitch> Yagisan: we're in upstream version freeze now
[04:53] <ajmitch> so requests have to be worded nicely
[04:53] <crimsun> I'd love to have 4.00-2 in Dapper, too, but I suppose if lamont could be persuaded to request it...
[04:54] <Yagisan> ajmitch: I'm very aware. 4 has massively reduced memory requirements, for starters :)
[04:54] <ajmitch> I suppose he'd know best :)
[04:54] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that's always a win
[04:54] <ajmitch> crimsun: I see a new alsa RC is out
[04:55] <ajmitch> crimsun: what pain do you have to go through to get that in?
[04:55] <crimsun> ajmitch: meaning -driver, -lib, or -utils? :)
[04:56] <ajmitch> I was mainly looking at -driver :)
[04:56] <crimsun> ah, that wouldn't be too bad. What do I need to backport?
[04:56] <ajmitch> not sure, I haven't tried it out yet
[04:57] <ajmitch> my laptop has been building a kernel from the git tree for the last couple of hours
[04:57] <ajmitch> I'll try & get the latest driver source built as extra modules so I can test it again
[04:58] <crimsun> great, testing -driver 1.0.11rc3 would help
[04:58] <ajmitch> yeah, I just have to see how easy it is to go from upstream tarball to debian packages
[04:59] <ajmitch> ok, building kernel image 4 of 5.. this takes awhile
[05:00] <crimsun> the kludgy way is to take experimental's 1.0.11rc2 alsa-source, extract it, extract upstream 1.0.11rc3, copy 1.0.11rc2/debian to 1.0.11rc3/., then do the normal fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build KVERS=$(uname -r)
[05:01] <Yagisan> :) nmap 4 has already been requested :)
[05:01] <Ubugtu> Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
[05:01] <ajmitch> crimsun: sounds nasty enough
[05:02] <ajmitch> I'll give it a try in a couple of hours, once I have a kernel to use
[05:02] <crimsun> cool
[05:42] <Kyral> you robitaille
[05:42] <Kyral> yo even
[05:43] <robitaille> hi Kyral
[05:43] <ajmitch> hello robitaille
[05:43] <robitaille> hi ajmitch
[06:03] <Lathiat> so,
[06:03] <ajmitch> yep
[06:04] <Lathiat> http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lib3ds/+bug/3711
[06:04] <Ubugtu> malone bug 3711 in lib3ds "Incompatibility with GCC4 optimization" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[06:05] <Lathiat> using -O0 makes his test work
[06:05] <Lathiat> i assume the optimization breaks it just by that it returns a different value
[06:05] <Lathiat> with -O0 it seems to work on his example, is putting -O0 in the package a sane fix for now?
[06:06] <ajmitch> possibly
[06:07] <Lathiat> hrm, i found a patch
[06:08] <Lathiat> work damn you :(
[06:08] <ajmitch> sf really is crap
[06:13] <Lathiat> ok i got a patch that was put in lib3ds cvs that fixes it
[06:13] <Lathiat> sounds like a better idea to me :)
[07:14] <ajmitch> crimsun: rc3 seems to be no different
[07:34] <crimsun> ajmitch: ok, that's what I figured, since there didn't seem to be major changes to the alc260 init code
[07:34] <crimsun> thanks for testing
[07:35] <ajmitch> crimsun: I had impressive failures with the new ACPI code though :)
[08:55] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: http://www.flickr.com/photos/headgeekette/
[08:55] <jsgotangco> see zakame get starstruck
[08:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:56] <ajmitch> hah, great :)
[08:57] <ajmitch> of course you were cool & treated it like nothing happened
[08:57] <ajmitch> since you're a famous celebrity yourself ;)
[08:57] <jsgotangco> oh shut up
[08:57] <ajmitch> sabdfl looks professional in a suit
[08:58] <ajmitch> like a manager :)
[08:58] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:48] <dholbach> good morning
[09:48] <lucas> hello dholbach & others
[10:08] <Lathiat> who knew about the unrar/unrar-nonfree situation?
[10:08] <sivang> morning all
[10:14] <spacey> situation?
[10:14] <spacey> you mean only the nonfree one is useful?
[10:15] <Lathiat> more that
[10:15] <Lathiat> they moved the unrar-nonfree source to making the binary 'unrar'
[10:15] <Lathiat> and its uninstallable
[10:15] <Lathiat> i think it needs some poking
[11:31] <\sh> so far to the ubuntu/debian diversion questions
[11:36] <siretart> \sh: ?
[11:37] <siretart> morning
[11:37] <\sh> siretart: see dapper-changes and lamonts uploads :)
[11:37] <siretart> yes, I've seen that
[11:43] <\sh> siretart: well..that's what I meant...sometimes you can forget filing bugs to debian, especially with those little friendly uploads :)
[11:43] <\sh> or in other words: how should we deal with those changes?
[11:44] <siretart> \sh: that was exactly my question
[11:45] <siretart> \sh: as far as I've seen, most of the recent uploads just change the build deps. so they are not likely to cause headaches when merging next time
[11:45] <siretart> my concern is rather about divergence, which does cause headache
[11:46] <\sh> siretart: you mean real patches? or "I don't want to change to cdbs" packages like "gajim"...
[11:49] <siretart> \sh: 'real' patches is a rather fuzzy expression, but I think we mean the same.
[11:49] <siretart> \sh: I don't know what happened re: gajim
[11:50] <\sh> siretart: debian has cdbs, we use debhelper ( which is better right now, because I'm trying to make gajim python policy compatible)
[11:51] <siretart> \sh: why didn't you put yourself in the maintainer field then?
[11:51] <siretart> if Yann doesn't accept your debhelper debian/rules, I don't see much point in calling him 'maintainer'
[11:53] <\sh> because he debianized the package the first time with debhelper....that's why....but the "changing maintainer" or "hijacking the package in ubuntu" is something, I want to have a clear statement from TB somehow.
[11:54] <siretart> why bug the tb with that?
[11:54] <siretart> that not really a technical question
[11:55] <siretart> well, in some ways it is, but I hope you get what I mean
[11:58] <\sh> siretart: because it could help sabdfls request to use the whole debian namespace ;)
[11:58] <siretart> ?
[12:01] <\sh> siretart: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageVersionConflicts
[12:02] <\sh> siretart: we had a small discussion about this before and during ubz...and changing the maintainer e.g. to "Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>would fit into this (IMHO)
[12:03] <\sh> but I didn't see the "when we package new software..."
[12:05] <siretart> fairly thin for a spec. never really discussed, not on tb agenda.
[12:06] <\sh> siretart: yes..it was dropped :)
[12:08] <siretart> \sh: why the ':)'?
[12:08] <siretart> sorry, I don't consider this funny at all, but rather frustrating
[12:09] <siretart> oh, jdong applied for ubuntu-dev
[12:19] <\sh> hmmm..who did work with him?
[12:19] <\sh> (motu work I mean)
[12:19] <\sh> siretart: the :) was more a finger practice...I'm not completly awake
[12:37] <irvin> bug #29958
[12:37] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29958 in monodevelop "Monodevelop requires MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME environment variable be set to start" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/29958
[12:38] <irvin> lemme check
[12:47] <Toadstool> hi, I uploaded a package to REVU this night before my GPG key was added to the REVU keyring. It looks like the package has been correctly uploaded as dput tells me "Already uploaded to revu.tauware.de" but it doesn't show up on the webpage. Did I do something wrong or do I have to wait a little longer ? (or am I asking silly questions on the wrong chan :))
[01:20] <siretart> Toadstool: I just reprocessed your upload manually
[01:20] <Toadstool> ok thank you very much
[01:50] <Kyral> Morning
[01:58] <teprrr> hmm, how should I mention the need for autoconf in build requirements?
[01:58] <teprrr> good afternoon Kyral :)
[01:59] <teprrr> Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1), autotools-dev, debhelper (>= 5), kdelibs4-dev (>= 3.5)
[01:59] <teprrr> that's what I have atm, but it gets no autoconf
[02:00] <Kyral> Isn't depends on Build-Essential assumed?
[02:01] <azeem> autoconf isn't b-e
[02:01] <azeem> teprrr: why do you need autoconf?
[02:01] <Kyral> Yah just saw that >_<
[02:01] <Kyral> teprrr: how about depending on autoconf
[02:02] <teprrr> azeem, to run make -f Makefile.cvs
[02:02] <Kyral> Wait wait wait
[02:02] <teprrr> azeem, and that to avoid having a large diff with autoconf-created stuff
[02:03] <Kyral> this package has its CVS stuff still there?
[02:03] <teprrr> Kyral, yup
[02:03] <azeem> teprrr: what does Makefile.cvs do?
[02:03] <teprrr> azeem, it creates configure script
[02:03] <azeem> ah, ok
[02:04] <azeem> using autoconf at build time might break the package when autoconf changes in unexpected ways
[02:05] <azeem> I am not sure on the current policy, but when you want to go down that road, then yes, you need to add it to Build-Depends
[02:05] <teprrr> yes, that's what Riddell told me too..
[02:05] <Kyral> teprrr: try to get rid of the CVS stuff (like /trunk)
[02:06] <Kyral> but anyway I need breakfast
[02:06] <teprrr> though I'm gonna still try to convince the developer to run it before the packaging
[02:08] <Riddell> azeem: packaging kde stuff?
[02:08] <azeem> no, just trying to helpful
[02:08] <azeem> +be
[02:09] <Riddell> it remakes Makefile.in and configure as said
[02:09] <Riddell> try to avoid it if possible, but it's not always possible
[02:09] <teprrr> yeah, the developer doesn't want to have a big source package.. :P
[02:10] <azeem> that's egoistic :)
[02:10] <Riddell> that's braindead
[02:10] <Riddell> if he doesn't want big source packages don't use an autoconf build-system
[02:11] <teprrr> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[02:11] <teprrr> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[02:12] <teprrr> mmh, and it has autoconf depend and it installed autoconf 2.59 ..
[02:12] <teprrr> I'm talking about pbuilder run
[02:12] <azeem> teprrr: check that cvs.sh script
[02:14] <teprrr> it points to $AUTOCONF, though I can't see where it's set..
[02:14] <teprrr> ah, indeed, it's not set at all.. but mmh
[02:14] <azeem> maybe they want you to export it first
[02:15] <teprrr> hmmh, maybe I should first try to talk to the developer..
[02:21] <Riddell> teprrr: automake1.9 too?
[02:34] <teprrr> Riddell, ah yes, seemed to work now
[03:13] <teprrr> Riddell, should I somehow clean up/remove Makefile.in after the install or..?
[03:14] <phanatic> hi people
[03:43] <Riddell> teprrr: yes, some make target does that
[03:43] <Riddell> make distclean maybe
[04:48] <raphink> siretart: ping
[04:48] <siretart> raphink: pong
[04:48] <raphink> siretart: hello :)
[04:48] <Gloubiboulga> hello :)
[04:48] <raphink> siretart: I'm trying to see if it could be possible to automatize the debuild && debuild -S test on tiber
[04:49] <raphink> doesn't seem possible though, without a dapper chroot
[04:49] <raphink> do you see any option?
[04:49] <raphink> hi Gloubiboulga
[04:50] <Gloubiboulga> hello raphink
[04:50] <Gloubiboulga> merci pour la publication des commentaires raphink
[04:51] <raphink> de rien Gloubiboulga
[04:51] <siretart> raphink: I'd rather use sbuild for that. but even then, its somewhat dangerous to run unchecked code as root
[04:51] <raphink> continue comme a c'est trs utile :)
[04:51] <raphink> et tu fais de bons commentaires
[04:51] <raphink> siretart: ic
[04:51] <raphink> siretart: do you think pbuilder could be used for this?
[04:51] <raphink> revu-build uses pbuilder
[04:51] <raphink> couldn't pbuilder help generating a report on debuild && debuild -S
[04:52] <raphink> ?
[04:52] <\sh> et voila ejabberd 1.0.0 on my hoary
[04:52] <raphink> :)
[04:52] <siretart> \sh: did you just restart jabberme.net?
[04:52] <siretart> ah, obviously :)
[04:52] <\sh> siretart: I installed ejabberd 1.0 and restarted yes :)
[04:53] <raphink> siretart: the thing is that debuild test is quite the only test thing I miss to review stuff entirely on tiber :)
[04:53] <raphink> everything else can be automatized
[04:53] <siretart> \sh: does this one finally cope with umlauts in the icq transport? ;)
[04:53] <\sh> siretart: no...that has nothing to do with it.......I'm working on pyicq this night :)
[04:53] <raphink> siretart: as in, generating all the necessary reports to review a  package entirely on the REVU web interface
[04:53] <siretart> raphink: what do you exactly mean with debuild test? whats missing from the buillog from pbuilder?
[04:54] <raphink> siretart:
[04:54] <siretart> \sh: ah, so the transports are completly separate problem. ic
[04:54] <raphink> debuild && debuild -S -sa
[04:54] <raphink> to see what files need to be cleaned
[04:54] <raphink> this cannot be found
[04:54] <siretart> raphink: oh. interesting test..
[04:54] <raphink> I'm interested in the diff.gz created when running debuild && debuild -S
[04:55] <raphink> siretart: indeed, but I need a chroot to do it
[04:55] <siretart> raphink: I'd rather implement it as pbuilder hook, because we use pbuilder for now anyway
[04:55] <\sh> siretart: yes :)
[04:55] <raphink> so that so far I have to get the files on my machine and run it there
[04:55] <raphink> siretart: if that's possible it would be great
[04:56] <siretart> raphink: look at the pbuilder documentation. it has a very flexible way of doing hooks
[04:56] <raphink> siretart: basically what I need to do is this :
[04:56] <raphink> debuid && debuild -S in the source
[04:56] <raphink> then
[04:56] <raphink> gzip -d $package.diff.gz
[04:56] <raphink> grep orig $package.diff
[04:56] <raphink> and check that only files from debian/ are there
[04:57] <raphink> siretart: ok
[04:58] <siretart> raphink: I don't want to build a package twice.
[04:58] <siretart> \sh: are you by chance at 'chemnizer linux tag'?
[04:59] <raphink> siretart: I understand that
[04:59] <\sh> siretart: no..
[04:59] <raphink> but then I need to debuild -S in the pbuilder _before_ the bpuilder stuff ends
[04:59] <raphink> and i'm not sure this is possible
[04:59] <siretart> \sh: our local lug is going, kathrin and me are joining them
[04:59] <\sh> siretart: no money :)
[04:59] <siretart> raphink: pbuilder has hooks for nearly everything
[05:00] <raphink> ok
[05:00] <raphink> two diff.gz have to be generated though
[05:12] <raphink> siretart: pbuilder hooks rock :)
[05:12] <siretart> raphink: L(
[05:12] <siretart> raphink: :)
[05:12] <raphink> thanks for the tip :)
[05:13] <raphink> siretart: I'll modify revu-build and i'm fixing rebu-orig a bit too
[05:13] <raphink> could you modify them in /usr/local/bin when it's done and tested?
[05:13] <siretart> feel free :)
[05:13] <raphink> oh I have the rights to do it ? :)
[05:13] <siretart> I think I will replace it with a symlink to /srv/revu1/scripts, so you can check in directly
[05:14] <raphink> oh if that's the case then ok
[05:17] <raphink> siretart: cause right now I have no right to write in /usr/local/bin
[05:17] <raphink> and it's not linked to the svn yet
[05:19] <siretart> no, I want to look at it first
[05:19] <raphink> sure
[05:19] <raphink> :)
[05:21] <siretart> ok, symlinks in place
[05:24] <raphink> siretart: seems to me that pbuilder hooks are only for update and create processes
[05:24] <raphink> not for build
[05:25] <raphink> --hookdir [location of user scripts]
[05:25] <raphink>               Specifies the location where scripts for user intervention during the create and update process are stored.
[05:27] <siretart> raphink: look in /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples for some example hooks
[05:28] <raphink> ok thanks
[05:42] <raphink> siretart: do you have a folder for pbuilder hooks somewhere on tiber? so I don't keep it in my ~ which would be very dirty ;)
[05:44] <siretart> raphink: either put it in your home, or even better, create a pbuilder-hooks dir in revu svn
[05:44] <raphink> yes I think I'll do that
[05:44] <raphink> but then I'll have to link to /srv directly
[05:45] <siretart> I don't have problems with that :)
[06:01] <raphink> siretart: what would you think of creating a (empty) file called FTBFS in the directory when pbuilder fails
[06:01] <raphink> so that when you look at the list of files on REVU, you can see it immediatly
[06:01] <raphink> and you just don't go much further
[06:01] <raphink> ?
[06:01] <siretart> sound reasonable
[06:02] <raphink> ok :)
[06:02] <raphink> it's a very easy hook
[06:02] <raphink> just a touch in a hook launched when pbuilder fails
[06:02] <raphink> :)
[06:59] <raphink> siretart: who is the author of revu-build? you?
[07:00] <siretart> raphink: yes, it was a quick hack I made in some free minutes
[07:00] <raphink> hehe I guess
[07:01] <raphink> i'm not as fast as you developping I guess
[07:01] <raphink> and i'm putting my script under GPL
[07:01] <raphink> i'm thinking of merging revu-build and revu-orig to run them together
[07:01] <raphink> do you want a script under GPL with both names ?
[07:02] <siretart> raphink: do you insist on gpl, or would you mind to use the bsd style licence we use in the rest of revu?
[07:02] <raphink> I don't insist
[07:02] <raphink> I don't really mind
[07:03] <raphink> it's just that i've already put my code under GPL
[07:03] <Kyral> ...I read that as incest...
[07:03] <siretart> I rather prefer the bsd style, with non advertising clause in my code
[07:04] <raphink> Kyral: ?
[07:04] <raphink> siretart: why?
[07:04] <Kyral> raphink: random comment
[07:04] <raphink> Kyral: ah?
[07:05] <Kyral> I don't insist <<---Read that as "incest
[07:05] <raphink> siretart: I'm fine with BSD if you prefer it this way, although my preference is for GPL ;)
[07:06] <siretart> raphink: gpl is too restrictive and too complicated for me. I don't claim to understand it entirely
[07:06] <raphink> hehe right
[07:06] <raphink> ;)
[07:06] <raphink> I just trust in the FSF to produce a good license
[07:07] <raphink> I don't claim to understand it either
[07:24] <Riddell> siretart: you want people to be able to use your work as prorietry software?
[07:26] <siretart> Riddell: I have no problems with that. at least for revu
[07:26] <Riddell> BSD it is then :)
[07:27] <siretart> :)
[07:37] <raphink> I don't like the idea of having my work under BSD ;)
[07:41] <siretart> then use gpl. I don't really insist, but prefer
[07:43] <Mithrandir> it's a bunch of scripts, isn't it?
[07:44] <siretart> yes, nothing spectacular
[07:46] <Mithrandir> well, BSD vs GPL aren't really interesting in the context of scripts -- if they're distributed, you have something you can edit anyway.
[07:47] <siretart> right
[08:54] <ajmitch_> yay
[08:54] <ajmitch_> my desktop box must have restarted in the night & now it isn't working :)
[09:17] <raphink> siretart: I made a revu-report script that runs both revu-build and revu-orig
[09:17] <raphink> this way they keep separated
[09:17] <raphink> generates things like this : http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/vbaexpress-0602031505/REVU_report
[09:17] <raphink> which is believe canbe useful
[09:25] <siretart> neat
[09:25] <siretart> how to use?
[09:37] <ajmitch_> sigh
[09:37] <ajmitch_> I have to kill keybuk
[09:38] <siretart> ajmitch_: -v
[09:38] <ajmitch_> ?
[09:39] <ajmitch_> he turned off selinux in sysvinit
[09:39] <ajmitch_> because of a silly message
[09:40] <siretart> ah
[09:43] <ajmitch_> I was trying to work on it for a change
[10:30] <\sh> forum foo and forum bar
[11:46] <raphink> siretart: I've updated the REVU svn with the new scripts
[11:47] <raphink> siretart: if you can have a look and link the 2 scripts revu-orig and revu-report to /usr/local/bin
[12:01] <Mez> ajmitch: ping


[00:08] <ESphynx> Could this be turned on by default if running on nVidia hardware or something?
[00:09] <RAOF> Maybe.
[00:09] <RAOF> It's probably a performance drain, though.
[00:13] <ESphynx> RAOF: I'd rather have my text editor working at 60 frames a second than being unusable at 120 frames / second
[00:14] <RAOF> Yeah, but this doesn't apply to just your text editor :/
[00:14] <ESphynx> RAOF: It applies to all programs I run on this sytem.
[00:15] <ESphynx> i.e. on all systems using nVidia drivers, which is probably at least half of what I consider a usable machine
[00:15] <ESphynx> I'm all for a proper fix, but until then this ought to be enabled.
[02:52] <ESphynx> after the last dist-upgrade, I can't login with Gnome Flashback (No effects) anymore :S all black
[02:53] <ESphynx> or if installing ccsm could do that :S (Saucy)
[02:54] <jbicha> ESphynx: I believe that's bug 1217991
[02:55] <ESphynx> thanks jbicha...
[02:55] <ESphynx> and what I thought was a workaround isn't working half the time for my update bug
[02:58] <ESphynx> So the only DE that actually was usable for me is now b0rked.
[03:00] <jbicha> ESphynx: the bug description has an easy workaround but the bug will be fixed soon
[03:00] <ESphynx> jbicha: k. thanks. I really wish this Compiz bug was fixed though :S
[03:01] <ESphynx> then I could try to figure out what's up with my other resizing/maximizing bug in Unity :P
[03:02] <stgraber> jbicha: the fix is wrong, those session names don't exist
[03:03] <stgraber> jbicha: so I'll need to actually figure out what's wrong with flashback running under upstart before I can get it fixed. I'll try to take a look tomorrow.
[03:04] <ESphynx> stgraber: The fix works for me.
[03:04] <ESphynx> renaming the 2 to -flashback rather than -fallback
[03:06] <stgraber> ESphynx: sure it does, it's just not a fix
[03:06] <stgraber> ESphynx: renaming the entries is the exact same as removing them
[03:06] <stgraber> which means, disabling the feature
[03:07] <stgraber> what we want is for the feature to be enabled and working and for that upstart-xsession is perfectly correct, it's just something else down the line that's failing and needs debugging and fixing
[03:07] <jbicha> stgraber: thanks
[03:07] <ESphynx> But Gnome fallback is what seems to start for me?
[03:08] <stgraber> sure, just not under upstart
[03:08] <ESphynx> ah ok
[03:09] <stgraber> jbicha: I know it used to work but I probably tested this before the whole flashback rename. It looks like something is confused by the names not being consistent, but it's not obvious what since it's not hardcoded in any of the places I'd have expected. Anyway, should take me a few minutes to figure out and fix once I reproduce the problem here (won't do that just now but will do it first thing tomorrow).
[03:11] <ESphynx> thanks stgraber
[03:34] <Mirv> mitya57: thanks! I agree quickcontrols is needed / very useful to have.
[03:44] <superm1> Laney: i just noticed that you had done a few uploads to mythtv without pushing the changes upstream or pull requests to the packaging branch so they just got clobbered in my upload, can you please forward the patch upstream and do pull requests if you'll be uploading in the future?
[04:04] <smoser> anyone know where files listed at the end of https://i148673231.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/148673231/asobibi-installer-log-2013.08.29.txt?token=a6a5ce59d6d6f063bd4bf36e1805942a come from ?
[04:04] <smoser> /usr/lib/finish-install.d/60cleanup
[04:04] <smoser> /usr/lib/finish-install.d/90base-installer
[04:04] <smoser> /usr/lib/finish-install.d/10open-iscsi
[04:09] <infinity> smoser: base-installer and open-iscsi...
[04:10] <infinity> smoser: And.. Not sure where 60cleanup comes from, off the top of my head.
[04:11] <infinity> smoser: Oh, finish-install, oddly enough. :P
[04:12] <smoser> yeah. that was funny. i realized that too
[04:12] <smoser> thanks infinity . kind of hoped no one would see my question. with the answer so clearly there :)
[04:35] <pitti> Good morning
[04:35] <pitti> tyhicks: thanks for fixing the d-bus stderr issue!
[04:35] <tyhicks> pitti: no problem! :)
[04:36] <pitti> and bluez et al are happy
[04:40] <sarnold> \o/
[06:14] <FourDollars> There is no Patch Pilot now. :(
[06:57] <infinity> tvoss: Yo, WTF mate.
[06:57] <tvoss> infinity, ?
[06:57] <infinity> tvoss: Why is location-service pulling in some ruby doc generation business?
[06:57] <tvoss> infinity, we can get rid of that :)
[06:57] <tvoss> infinity, want me to do that?
[06:57] <infinity> tvoss: That seems like an odd choice for a Canonical project. :P
[06:57] <tvoss> infinity, heritage, will fix it. hang on
[06:57] <infinity> tvoss: If you can make with the getting rid of somehow, sure.
[06:58] <infinity> tvoss: Beats doing MIRs for a few dozen ruby gems.
[06:58] <tvoss> infinity, indeed ;) sorry for the confusion
[08:01] <Laney> superm1: I certainly did forward the logind patch
[08:01] <Laney> might have missed the packaging branch though, sorry
[08:07] <debfx> Whoopie: I've uploaded a new virtualbox package with your vnc extension patch
[09:14] <xnox> FourDollars: sup? need sponsoring? =)
[09:16] <FourDollars> xnox: Yes. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pristine-tar/+bug/1218197
[09:17] <ESphynx> xnox: can we get 0.44.09 in next week since it's mostly a bugfix release? ;) I'm going to require some sleep at some point :(
[09:18] <ESphynx> xnox: The big thing about this release is fixing real annoyances/usability issues with Ubuntu & Mint's DEs :P
[09:18] <asac> ogra_: what happened to the builds? floodgating worked it seems :)
[09:18] <xnox> FourDollars: you do want to subscribe "~ubuntu-sponsors"  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess such that it gets on the list to sponsor: http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[09:18] <asac> ogra_: err... moving to touch
[09:19] <FourDollars> xnox: I see. Thank you.
[09:21] <xnox> FourDollars: alternative to subscribing, you can do merge proposal. But you based on upstream branch, instead of lp:ubuntu/pristine-tar =/ so will not work.
[09:21] <xnox> FourDollars: and you are after an SRU?
[09:23] <FourDollars> xnox: I based on lp:ubuntu/precise/pristine-tar/ .
[09:24] <xnox> FourDollars: oh, ok. You did push branch to upstream project, $ bzr push lp:~/ubuntu/precise/pristine-tar/fix-lp-bug  is better & then one can click to create merge proposal against lp:ubuntu/precise/pristine-tar
[09:25] <FourDollars> xnox: Like lp:~fourdollars/ubuntu/precise/pristine-tar/fix-lp-bug-1218197 ?
[09:26] <xnox> FourDollars: yeap =)
[09:26] <FourDollars> xnox: OK.
[09:26] <tvoss> infinity, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/remove-dep-on-ruby-ronn/+merge/182844
[09:26] <FourDollars> xnox: done.
[09:27] <infinity> tvoss: Looks reasonable to me.
[09:27] <tvoss> infinity, let's wait for ci to kick in and then top-approve
[09:29] <xnox> FourDollars: it looks like you didn't use "debcommit", or manually specify on $ bzr commit --fixes lp:NNNNNNN, thus the branch didn't get automatically linked to the bug report. Linked the new branch in.
[09:29] <xnox> FourDollars: ... and created merge proposal.
[09:30] <FourDollars> xnox: I do use "debcommit". @_@a
[09:30] <xnox> hm, strange.
[09:30] <FourDollars> xnox: It takes some time to sync. :)
[09:30] <FourDollars> xnox: Refresh the page now. You should see it.
[09:30] <xnox> maybe ;-)
[09:31] <xnox> but i did manually add bug report # on the page.
[09:32] <FourDollars> xnox: OK. Thank you for the guiding.
[09:56] <tvoss> infinity, jenkins is happy
[09:56] <tvoss> infinity, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/remove-dep-on-ruby-ronn/+merge/182844
[10:00] <infinity> tvoss: Do you need an explicit ACK from me there, or are you good to go?
[10:00] <infinity> Oh, I guess I'm not in a team that was asked for a review anyway. :P
[10:01] <tvoss> infinity, hang on :)
[10:01] <tvoss> sil2100, Mirv lp:~thomas-voss/location-service/remove-dep-on-ruby-ronn
[10:02] <sil2100> tvoss: looking
[10:05] <Mirv> thanks
[10:24] <tvoss> infinity, the fix is top-approved
[10:25] <infinity> tvoss: I'm going to nod and pretend I know what that means, and assume it means "it'll be in the distro soon".
[10:25] <thotz> Question: Is it possible to add GIMP 2.8.6 to saucy. Could someone do that? It really would fix severial bugs see #1207734
[10:25] <tvoss> infinity, yup, that's all you need to know
[10:25] <thotz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/1207734
[10:26] <seb128> thotz, I can have a look
[10:26] <infinity> thotz: You might want to poke jbicha when he's online, should be a trivial merge.
[10:26] <infinity> ... or seb128 can do it. :)
[10:26] <seb128> infinity, hey
[10:26] <seb128> infinity, can you review youker-assistant in saucy NEW for me?
[10:27] <seb128> infinity, I fixed some copyright issues/sponsored it for the UbuntuKylin guys, but since I did the upload I would prefer for another archive admin to review
[10:27] <thotz> thank you
[10:27] <seb128> infinity, they are eager to see it in apparently, it has been taking a while because of review feedback/things to fix
[10:27] <infinity> seb128: I'm running off to bed to attempt a nap, but if you don't find another victim, I can do it tomorrow.
[10:27] <seb128> infinity, thanks
[10:28] <thotz> should i contact jeremy?
[10:28] <seb128> infinity, have a good nap/night ;-)
[10:28] <seb128> thotz, no, I'm doing the gimp update
[10:30] <thotz> seb128: Thank you very much. I don't know if you have seen, I try go through the GIMP bugs.
[10:30] <seb128> thotz, thanks for helping there!
[10:33] <thotz> seb128, If I have some time I'm also trying to build development version from git, but I have no packaging experience. I have built yesterday GIMP 2.9 from GIMP... really promising :)
[10:35] <thotz> seb128, thank you too!
[10:43] <zyga> hi
[10:44] <zyga> current daily ubiquity installer seems broken, at least two things that I can see are affected: networking configs don't work (policykit rejects control attempts) and the top panel is sized incorrectly, being approximately 10x larger
[10:45] <xnox> zyga: both of which are filed bugs on ubiquity. The top panel is caused/assigned by/to larsu. The other one, missing proper logind integration
[10:45] <xnox> zyga: but maybe policykit policy also need changing.
[10:46] <rbasak> Is there a magic way to do a no change rebuild for a package that has no Ubuntu delta? Or do I need to do it manually, and then make sure to resync tha package manually again at some future date?
[10:46] <cjwatson> dch -R
[10:46] <cjwatson> That'll append build1 which doesn't inhibit autosyncs
[10:47] <rbasak> Ah, so the version number is special? I understand now. Thanks!
[10:47] <cjwatson> Yes.  The thing that inhibits autosync is the presence of the "ubuntu" substring in the version.
[10:48] <zyga> xnox: cool, so I won't go hunting or reporting them, thanks
[10:50] <ekarlso-> do I need to have my secret key on the machine I use for signing packages ?
[10:50] <cjwatson> Yes.
[10:51] <cjwatson> If you like, you can do the signing on a machine other than the one where you build the package, using either "debsign -r" or "debrsign" depending on the direction (see their manual pages).
[10:51] <rbasak> I use debsign -r to avoid this. But I must trust the machine I'm using, since I guess it could trojan some other thing to sign.
[11:16] <asac> ogra_: i think a script to show diffs on the packages file for two builds would be nice :)
[11:16] <asac> -> move touch
[11:16] <nemo> "You are running the upgrade over a remote ssh connection with a frontend that does not support this. Please try a text mode upgrade with 'do-release-upgrade'.
[11:16] <nemo> "
[11:16] <nemo> uh... since when?
[11:17] <nemo> ssh -Y headless-server  sudo update-manager, click yes on partial upgrade
[11:17] <nemo> first time I've ever seen that. someone change something?
[11:19] <zyga> "Warning: fake initctl called, doing nothing", after saucy install, does anyone know what that is?
[11:19] <nemo> "ERROR:root:upgrade over ssh not alllowed" grrrr why :(
[11:19]  * nemo greps
[11:20] <nemo> besides the typo
[11:22] <cjwatson> zyga: A broken install
[11:22] <cjwatson> zyga: If the installer finished properly it would have put the real initctl back
[11:22] <zyga> ah
[11:22] <zyga> yeah, the installer got stuck later and I just rebooted
[11:24] <nemo> # check if the frontend supports ssh upgrades (see lp: #322482)
[11:24] <nemo> hm
[11:25] <nemo> oh. yeesh.
[11:25] <nemo> that should just be a warning
[11:25] <nemo> I can bloody well make my own decision on this based on the stuff being upgraded
[11:25] <nemo> obv something that is going to screw w/ network will mess me up...
[11:26]  * nemo sighs and edits DistUpgradeController.py
[11:26] <nemo> I mean, seriously, for me to do this from a console would require a ridiculous amount of work
[11:27] <wgrant> xnox: You can't import a non-branch head using the ,branch= syntax.
[11:27] <nemo> the weird thing is it recommended I use curses UI, when as far as I can tell, the bug could possibly mess you up there too
[11:27] <wgrant> xnox: It has to be under refs/heads
[11:27] <xnox> wgrant: ack.
[11:29] <nemo> but, yeah, setting aside disagreeing w/ solution, logging.error("upgrade over ssh not alllowed")  has a typo in "allowed"
[11:32] <Mirv> any core-dev up for sponsoring? https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu/saucy/qtpim-opensource-src/new_snapshot/+merge/182874 - built & tested
[11:32] <xnox> wgrant: sucks to be me =(
[11:33] <wgrant> xnox: Indeed :(
[11:34] <cjwatson> DistUpgradeViewText is in View.SupportSSH, so the curses UI ought to bypass this check
[11:35] <cjwatson> I think you can change it in DistUpgrade.cfg though
[11:36] <cjwatson> Fixed the typo in lp:ubuntu-release-upgrader
[11:38] <wgrant> ,branch=refs/dgit/sid works.
[11:42] <wgrant> xnox: Does that look right?
[11:43] <xnox> wgrant: nope. it imported HEAD.
[11:44] <xnox> wgrant: 191 should be the last commit on https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/dgit/sid
[11:46] <wgrant> Oh, I am stupid.
[11:48] <nemo> cjwatson: yeah, I didn't want to use the curses UI, and given the launchpad issue, I don't see why the curses UI would help
[11:48] <nemo> cjwatson: looks like any remote connection would hit probs if eth0 was killed :)
[11:49] <nemo> cjwatson: setting that line to if false worked fine tho ;)
[11:49] <nemo> would have preferred it had been a warning
[11:52] <wgrant> xnox: The slashes need to be escaped as %2F, but somehow refs%2F causes the branch name to appear to be None. Investigated.
[11:55] <wgrant> s/ed/ing/
[12:01] <wgrant> xnox: A patch to make it work is trivial, but I need to think a bit about the implications
[12:01] <xnox> ok.
[12:04] <nemo> so. there's this script that was causing a rather misleading motd... /usr/lib/update-notifier/update-motd-fsck-at-reboot
[12:05] <nemo> reason it is misleading is it appears that if the last check was <1h ago, it won't even check the filesystem values
[12:05] <nemo> so I rebooted several times, thinking there was an issue
[12:05] <nemo> you'd think the script could also check uptime?
[12:06] <nemo> jrib: oh. and hi. I see you're here too :)
[12:07] <jrib> nemo: heh
[12:07] <jrib> nemo: I'd urge you to debug and file a bug ;)
[12:08] <nemo> well, I'd say the clear prob is if [ $(($stampt + 3600)) -lt $now ] || [ $stampt -gt $now ]; then
[12:08] <nemo> where stampt is stat -c %Y of the scary message
[12:14] <nemo> jrib: admittedly I don't know of a "nice" way to get the boot time...
[12:14] <nemo> apart from
[12:14] <nemo> date +%s -d "$(last | head -n 1 | awk '{print $5,$6,$7,$8}')"
[12:14] <nemo> which I just stitched together and seems pretty ugly
[12:14] <nemo> you'd thing it would be in sysctl or something...
[12:14] <nemo> I have no idea if that is even a locale specific format :-/
[12:15] <nemo> (the date string)
[12:15] <nemo> but anyway, assuming oh,  boott=$(date +%s -d "$(last | head -n 1 | awk '{print $5,$6,$7,$8}')")
[12:16] <nemo> then they should recheck if $boott gt $stamptt
[12:16] <nemo> ah well. whatev
[12:17] <nemo> hm. that's not even a nice use of last
[12:17] <nemo> I need a grep for reboot in there, and a skip of generation if it isn't.
[12:17] <nemo> something in sysctl would definitely be nicer. or maybe if ubuntu just wrote boot time to a file that its own script could check :)
[12:27] <seb128> mardy, hey, do you have an idea when you are going to have time for that shotwell patch update (asking because FF is today), do you want a bug report to track it?
[13:18] <pkern> So there's a patches.xml file on patches.ubuntu.com, but it redirects to people.ubntu.com/patches/.
[13:19] <pkern> Also: Are there patch files for Ubuntu releases as well?
[13:19] <cjwatson> That's ... huh
[13:20] <cjwatson> It's a permanent redirect from /patches which is apparently misfiring
[13:20] <cjwatson> I think I'll just comment it out, it's amazingly stale
[13:37] <superm1> Laney: hmm, I wonder why upstream missed it then.  Do you remember where you forwarded it?  I just filed a new bug with it (http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11794) that they set the milestone to before 0.27 releases, so we'll pull it back in the next upload
[13:38] <Laney> superm1: maybe a github project
[13:38] <cjwatson> pkern: The broken redirect is fixed now, thanks
[13:38] <cjwatson> Not sure about your other question
[13:38] <cjwatson> If you mean per-release patches, we normally only run merge-o-matic against the latest development series, so no
[13:39] <superm1> Laney: oh yeah i see it now.  They don't track pull requests as much as they should and prefer bugs for tracking stuff like that.  Thanks.
[14:05] <dobey> infinity: just dput ubuntuone-credentials 13.08-0ubuntu1. we'll see if it makes it to NEW
[14:25] <dobey> infinity: email i got said it's in new for saucy-proposed
[14:50] <seb128> cjwatson, slangasek: is somebody from foundation leading https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-s-32v64-bit ? (it ended up in the client track but you guys probably have more background/opinions on the topic than us)
[14:50] <seb128> (that's in 15 minutes in client2)
[14:50] <cjwatson> I have to be in a different session, sorry
[14:51] <seb128> xnox, stgraber: ^?
[14:51] <xnox> seb128: i don't have any rights to start hangout.
[14:51] <slangasek> seb128: I can be there if I can get someone else to run the camera for the foundations session
[14:51] <seb128> xnox, the track hosts start the hangouts (e.g me for that one)
[14:52] <slangasek> seb128: do you want to trade tracks for next hour? :)
[14:52] <seb128> xnox, but I don't know enough about the topic to lead the session...
[14:52] <seb128> slangasek, I can host yours, sure
[14:52] <slangasek> ok, cool
[14:53] <seb128> slangasek, so I'm hosting the checkbox one and you take on the 32v64 bit, right?
[14:53] <slangasek> seb128: exactly
[14:53] <slangasek> thanks :)
[14:53] <seb128> slangasek, excellent, thank you!
[16:10] <stgraber> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/unity-webapps-common_2.4.16+13.10.20130829.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[16:10] <stgraber>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/apps/ubuntuone-music.png', which is also in package unity-asset-pool 0.8.24daily13.06.10-0ubuntu1
[16:12] <stgraber> it's one of those auto-landed packages so I have no idea who to nag/blame about this...
[16:12] <ChrisTownsend> stgraber: Here's a start: https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/webapps-applications/add-default-apps/+merge/182646
[16:13] <stgraber> right, unfortunately robru doesn't appear to be around
[17:35] <pkern> cjwatson: Well, I solved my problem (where is file X used) by using Debian's codesearch, downloading all Ubuntu patches and grepping. ;)
[17:36] <cjwatson> Heh
[17:57] <xnox> pkern: jdstrand can run greps on full ubuntu unpacked trees. they do take some time though.
[17:58] <jdstrand> I'm not sure that should be advertised as a public resource :P
[17:58] <xnox> =)))))
[17:59] <jdstrand> it's all very manual-- I don't mind doing it as a favor, but it isn't something can just do. codesearch for Ubuntu would be nice
[17:59] <jdstrand> s/can just do/I can just do all the time/
[17:59] <xnox> jdstrand: Laney has a codesearch instance running in canonistack =) not sure how fully operational it is.
[18:00] <jdstrand> oh, that would be nice to poke at
[18:01] <sarnold> oh man, that'd be nice. I love debian's codesearch
[18:09] <cyphermox> @pilot in
[18:21] <sarnold> seb128: retracers seem dead again -- any chance of asking IS to monitor the cranky things to auto-restart when they wedge? :)
[18:26]  * dholbach hugs cyphermox
[18:26] <cyphermox> dholbach: hey, just trying to read the list is painful, so many pings about other stuff :)
[18:26] <dholbach> I know
[18:27] <dholbach> I did quite some sponsoring in the last days to get stuff in before feature freeze
[18:27] <dholbach> but during UDS it's a bit crazy admittedly
[18:27] <dholbach> I'll do the rest of my session tomorrow
[18:30] <pkern> xnox: Before I do that I set up a private instance of codesearch. -_-
[18:33] <pkern> jdstrand: How large is it?
[18:36] <jdstrand> pkern: I don't have a private instance of codesearch. I use debmirror to mirror all of lucid-saucy for amd64 and i386
[18:36] <pkern> jdstrand: I mean the unpacked tree.
[18:37] <jdstrand> pkern: I use scripts to unpack on the fly and then delete after the package is searched
[18:37] <jdstrand> pkern: so I don't unpack all the sources
[18:38] <jdstrand> (at the same time)
[18:38] <seb128> sarnold, talk to slangasek, he sort of suggested he was wanting to help keeping those running ;-)
[18:39] <slangasek> hnngh
[18:39] <slangasek> and no email notification of it hanging, eh
[18:39] <sarnold> slangasek: hello :) about those retracers...
[18:39] <slangasek> seb128: I also always forget what machine it's running on, remind me?
[18:39] <seb128> slangasek, porter-i386.c.c
[18:39] <seb128> I removed the lock
[18:40] <seb128> but I think it's hitting a bug it doesn't like
[18:40] <seb128> bug #1216901
[18:40] <slangasek> ok
[18:40] <seb128> the bt isn't very useful though :/
[18:41] <seb128> slangasek, do you want to have a look to the issue or should I just untag the bug so the retracer doesn't keep banging on it?
[18:41] <seb128> well, I guess we can untag & have a look as well
[18:41] <slangasek> seb128: I won't have time to look at it very quickly, so please untag it for now anyway
[18:41] <bdmurray> barry: the tracebacks in https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/15bc0ab1791f275923e1d66575637a22e2b24b7d look suspcious to me - as in I wonder about the systems
[18:41] <seb128> doing
[18:49] <barry> bdmurray: that looks very suspicious.  it looks typical for a 3rd party extension module not checking a set exception somewhere
[19:02] <stgraber> barry, lool: should we schedule an hangout for after the closing plenary?
[19:03] <barry> stgraber: i'm available
[19:10] <lool> stgraber: ok
[19:14] <ekarlso-> "Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed." how can I get dput to only select the source ?!
[19:15] <shadeslayer> ekarlso-: just run debuild -S -sa on the source
[19:16] <shadeslayer> or -sd if you just want to upload a package which already has the tar on launchpad
[19:16] <cjwatson> -sd is basically never necessary
[19:16] <cjwatson> but yeah, -S is the key bit
[19:17] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: oh, so -sa uploads the tar but launchpad is clever enough to not make a copy?
[19:17] <cjwatson> you can upload a duplicate orig.tar as long as it's identical
[19:17] <ekarlso-> I used the dpkg-buildpackage binary
[19:17] <cjwatson> I usually use debuild -S and only use -sa if needed
[19:18] <ekarlso-> is that the same thing
[19:18] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: aha I see
[19:18] <cjwatson> ekarlso-: Launchpad doesn't accept binary uploads, they have to be source-only.  No it isn't the same
[19:18] <cjwatson> You can use dpkg-buildpackage -S, though debuild -S is usually easier
[19:18] <cjwatson> (it's a slightly smarter wrapper)
[19:18] <ekarlso-> how can I have it not try to sign it ?
[19:18] <cjwatson> -uc -us
[19:18] <cjwatson> or just ignore the signing failures
[19:19] <cjwatson> you still have to sign it before uploading to LP of course
[19:19] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:19] <ekarlso-> debuild -S -uc -us the ?
[19:19] <cjwatson> yeah
[19:19] <ekarlso-> what's Standards-Version ?
[19:20] <ekarlso-> my build fails on that now :p
[19:20] <cjwatson> see the Debian policy manual
[19:20] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[19:20] <cjwatson> specifically http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Standards-Version
[19:20] <cjwatson> and http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-standardsversion
[19:20] <cjwatson> (the latter's a better reference, sorry)
[19:21] <ekarlso-> should it fail on 3.9.3 ?
[19:22] <cjwatson> 3.9.3 is fine
[19:23] <ekarlso-> mine fails telling me it is outdated..
[19:23] <cjwatson> that's not a failure
[19:23] <cjwatson> it's quite important to distinguish errors from warnings or informational messages ...
[19:23] <cjwatson> the current version is 3.9.4 but you should check the policy manual's upgrading checklist before blindly changing the number
[19:24] <cjwatson> the point is to remind people to check changes in policy
[19:24] <ekarlso-> cjwatson: how come ? ;)
[19:24] <cjwatson> because that's the point of standards-version - it's the latest version of the policy manual you've checked your package against
[19:24] <cjwatson> it isn't supposed to be a paperwork exercise in updating the number :)
[19:25] <cjwatson> if it's a little out of date, so be it, it's not a failure
[19:58] <stgraber> lool, barry: I'll invite the two of you to an hangout in the next 5min
[19:58] <lool> stgraber: ok
[20:02] <barry> sounds good
[20:08] <dobey> kenvandine: so where's the rum?
[20:22] <kenvandine> dobey, i could use some :)
[20:23] <dobey> heh
[20:24] <dobey> unfortunately i don't have any soda or ice
[20:25] <dobey> and a little too early, and air too dry inside, to drink it straight
[22:03] <ekarlso-> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/148814928/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.cyassl_2.7.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz < anyone help me on why that is failing ?
[22:03] <ekarlso-> it works when building locally
[22:09] <sarnold> ekarlso-: that looks like building an i386 binary on an amd64 host -- have you tried reproducing an i386 build on an amd64 host locally?
[22:24] <ekarlso-> sarnold: I the package should only be amd64...
[22:30] <sarnold> ekarlso-: aha. you may need to specify that in the control file..
[22:32] <ekarlso-> sarnold: how ?
[23:14] <YokoZar> slangasek: I uploaded all the relevant wine bits today :)
[23:17] <slangasek> YokoZar: hurrah
[23:17] <YokoZar> I couldn't find the wiki page about deleting packages, but I presume it's just "file bug, subscribe ubuntu-archive"
[23:18] <sarnold> ekarlso-: I believe the keyword is 'amd64', in this field: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture
[23:19] <slangasek> YokoZar: yes


[11:37] <apokryphos> even KRename can do it, I believe
[11:37] <xerath> :P
[11:37] <Kuma> Seveas: Okay I am at Synaptic, now I get... W: Couldn't stat source package list http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary-updates/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary-updates_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:37] <xerath> everyone from rsa?
[11:37] <Seveas> Kuma, good
[11:37] <asfra> apokryphos: thanks! I need to update a system that is off-line.. I think this will work...
[11:37] <Seveas> Kuma, now hit the reload button in synaptic
[11:37] <RockFoo> Can anyone here help me one on one with installing an ATI Radeon card under Ubuntu?
[11:37] <alllanon> xerath: no, some of us from aes
[11:37] <RockFoo> I've tried the guides
[11:37] <keegan3747> rmflagg, lemme c wat I can dig up
[11:37] <xerath> how long should a root@woof:/home/xerath # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd
[11:37] <robotgeek> apokryphos, alllanon , selinium : thanks, will try them out, except amarok
[11:37] <dalamar> robotgeek, easytag is a nice little one too for a specific program for editing them
[11:37] <Kuma> Seveas: Ok...
[11:37] <xerath> take on a 160 gig?
[11:37] <apokryphos> asfra: use the -d option to download and not unpack/install
[11:37] <alllanon> amaroK <3 <3 <3
[11:38] <selinium> Good night all, happy ubuntu'ing!
[11:38] <dalamar> amarok is ugly ;)
[11:38] <alllanon> someone should make gamaroK.
[11:38] <apokryphos> amaroK is boootiful
[11:38] <rmflagg> Thanks!
[11:38] <asubedi> anyone successful in resizing a ntfs partition from the install cd?
[11:38] <Seveas> RockFoo: sample xorg.conf for a radeon 9600 http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/793
[11:38] <Kuma> Seveas: Thank you very much... It works.
[11:38] <dalamar> and the playlist is bloat and uneeded if you want a basic mp3 player
[11:38] <haon> would the linux driver available here work on ubuntu? http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=c%3DL_Download_C2%26cid%3D1115417109934%26sku%3D1121874580756&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper
[11:38] <andril> come on first the repositories and now a hurricane - is it all over? :)
[11:38] <Seveas> maybe you can get some inspiration from that
[11:38] <asfra> apokryphos: so already downloaded and istalled packages are not contained in a 'form' that can be used by another system?
[11:38] <robotgeek> hehe, looks like i've started off a flmaewar!
[11:39] <xerath> how do I extract .deb packages?
[11:39] <dalamar> everyone's got thier fav mp3 player heh
[11:39] <apokryphos> asfra: I think APT does regular "apt-get clean"s, which basically deletes every package in that directory, so no
[11:39] <durt> xerath: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[11:39] <apokryphos> dalamar: indeed
[11:39] <apokryphos> durt: no, that's to extract+install :P
[11:39] <asfra> apokryphos: ok, thanks!
[11:39] <Seveas> xerath, ar x filename.deb
[11:40] <Seveas> or dpkg-deb -x (oslt)
[11:40] <FiRez> Does anyone use enlightement? I just wanted to know if it's faster than gnome
[11:40] <macarthy> anyone know the current status of mono on AMD64? Can it be run on Hoary?
[11:40] <robotgeek> dalamar: i use beep-media-player, though rhythmbox on breezy seemed nice for a while, but started skipping after song changeover. maybe a bug report is in order?
[11:40] <alllanon> do totem support loading and selecting subtitles in the gui now?
[11:40] <dalamar> though amarok my not be my fav, its got to hands down have the most features
[11:40] <durt> my bad
[11:40] <apokryphos> FiRez: it's more lightweight
[11:40] <Seveas> alllanon, yes (for dvds at least)
[11:40] <apokryphos> dalamar: yes; JuK has *very* many too, though. So few know about it.
[11:40] <alllanon> robotgeek: wait, skipping... sound familiar. it doesn't use gstreamer, does it?
[11:41] <dalamar> robotgeek, couldn't say, have never been a fan of rhythmbox so I dunno about its ups/downs
[11:41] <apokryphos> dalamar: amaroK got some of its major features from there (it uses JuK's tagging library, for example)
[11:41] <keegan3747> rmflagg, does this help? http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/changeman.html
[11:41] <FiRez> apokryphos Thanks I will try to use it, hopefully I will not break my installation again
[11:41] <dalamar> apokryphos, i see, i'll admit myself I've yet to try that one yet
[11:41] <robotgeek> alllanon: okay, i couldn't see any preferences ther eto change it?
[11:41] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell FiRez about e
[11:41] <dalamar> though I've heard of it
[11:41] <beniamino> apokryphos: do you know if sun-j2re1.5 will come back? or where i can find out?
[11:41] <apokryphos> beniamino: you can use the other repo I linked you to
[11:42] <robotgeek> alllanon: it plays fine if i pause and play back again
[11:42] <robotgeek> alllanon: in fact, it plays great once i do that, but song change screws all that up
[11:42] <RockFoo> How can I tell that the fglrx driver for the Radeon has been correctly installed?
[11:42] <codecaine> what does "+e" mean for chat?
[11:42] <alllanon> robotgeek: no, i never used it, so I don't know, but skipping when changing songs in amarok while using gstreamer (with or without crossfade) is a well-known problem.
[11:42] <vitor4130> hi there! i have vlc installed in my computer but i can only see image, no sound! any idea why? thanks
[11:42] <codecaine> RockFoo, run glxgears
[11:43] <alllanon> some were amarok problems, other gstreamer problems.
[11:43] <robotgeek> alllanon: ah okay...bmp skips when i open a firefox window :(
[11:43] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:43] <alllanon> hm. old computer?
[11:43] <rmflagg> keegan3747, it doesn't cover gdm...only xdm. :(
[11:43] <RockFoo> 345FPS on GLXgears
[11:43] <dalamar> memory amount may be an issue
[11:43] <robotgeek> alllanon: powerbook g4 500
[11:43] <CookedGryphon> bmp rocks.. but also skips when i dial up, not when i open firefox tho
[11:44] <alllanon> robotgeek: neat, lucky you :)
[11:44] <robotgeek> dalamar: i have lots of free ram :) i ue only about 256 of my 768
[11:44] <RockFoo> under xorg.conf what should the driver be labled as?
[11:44] <ReleaseX> can anyone suggest a good wireless mini pci card for my laptop
[11:44] <RockFoo> should it be fglrx or vesa?
[11:44] <dalamar> robotgeek, ah okay obviously not lacking there ;)
[11:44] <alllanon> i had performance problems, but with dmesg i found out it was all because my crappy SIS controller kept sending my drives into PIO mode.
[11:44] <FiRez> RockFoo just to let you know that I got the same fps with glxgears with my TNT2 Ultra
[11:44] <beniamino> apkryphos: can't see the link (this channel moves fast) -- could you post again?
[11:44] <alllanon> ReleaseX: mini-pci? not pcmcia?
[11:44] <RockFoo> i've got a radeon 9800
[11:45] <asfra> apokryphos: just checking to be sure: all .deb packages are ready to be installed by APT right? so I can just: ' apt-get -d whatever_package ' and then copy the /var/cache/apt/archives to another drive and then modify sources.list to get packages from that directory? thanks..
[11:45] <robotgeek> alllanon: only if i fix this thing, it would be perfect ;)
[11:45] <keegan3747> rmflagg, does fluxbox show up in your sessions?
[11:45] <codecaine> RockFoo, fglrx
[11:45] <alllanon> beniamino: esc-p works in most irc clients.
[11:45] <robotgeek> beniamino: or page up
[11:45] <RockFoo> When I have the driver st to fglrx I can't boot up Xwindows though
[11:46] <rmflagg> keegan3747, Fluxbox does show up in the Session menu.
[11:46] <pinpoint> is there a disk defrag program for ubuntu?
[11:46] <keegan3747> rmflagg, ok cool
[11:46] <beniamino> alllanon: i can scroll, i just can't find the link
[11:46] <alllanon> i just saw someone had gotten that wireless... airport extreme, i think to work under linux too.
[11:46] <alllanon> it included using Mac-on-Linux, but still :}
[11:46] <dalamar> i've got a question, dma is defaulted to on for my hdd and off for my dvd burner, I tried setting it on with hdparm and any attempt at using the drive will seriously lock the whole system .. at first I thought it was the driver for the ide controller, but it works fine with dma on for hdd .. is it the specific driver for the drive or just bad burner or what?
[11:47] <_nereos> pinpoint:  it's not necessary
[11:47] <RockFoo> Anyone have any other ideas for my radeon problems?
[11:47] <Seveas> pinpoint, you don't need that - linux filesystems don't fragment
[11:47] <pinpoint> really
[11:47] <pinpoint> is normal for a disk to click once in a while?
[11:47] <alllanon> dalamar: doubt it is the burner. nor driver. maybe cable.
[11:47] <robotgeek> pinpoint: also no antivirus, no anti-spyware
[11:47] <alllanon> pinpoint: yep. mine does. then dies two years later.
[11:47] <pinpoint> its my lappy
[11:47] <alllanon> a bit hard to say if related to the click :>
[11:47] <pinpoint> they always do that
[11:47] <dalamar> alllanon, its using same cable as the hdd?
[11:48] <ReleaseX> alllanon, mini pci
[11:48] <alllanon> beep-beep-click is also usual in my hard drives. and some had this circle saw sound.
[11:48] <codecaine> Seveas, how do i get some info on what channel modes are used / avail for this server?
[11:48] <pinpoint> i see
[11:48] <Seveas> codecaine, www.freenode.org
[11:49] <codecaine> okie dokie
[11:49] <Seveas> and specifically: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[11:49] <P8ntKid> How do i isntall wine with ubuntu?
[11:49] <alllanon> dalamar: hm, hm, maybe read up on ata100 cables and ata133. i don't know much about it, but i think the cables look identical, but if wrong one is used, it might send the unit into PIO mode.
[11:49] <alllanon> take it with a grain of salt.
[11:49] <NoUse> !wine
[11:49] <beniamino> ubotu: tell beniamino about java
[11:49] <sponge008> Guys, where can I DL the ubuntu source code?
[11:49] <keegan3747> rmflagg, still looking, be aware I am no expert
[11:49] <funkyHat> what is the name of the program that outputs keymappings of the keys you press while it's running?
[11:49] <thespiritoftal> ubotu: tell thespiritoftal about wine
[11:50] <dalamar> alllanon, is there a way to see if the drive is in pio? listed in dmesg perhaps?
[11:50] <funkyHat> (and other info)
[11:50] <NoUse> sponge008 apt-get source <program>
[11:50] <rapasoft> damn, i'm tired...
[11:50] <Seveas> sponge008, there is no such thing as 'the ubuntu source code'. You can download sourcecode for packages with apt-get source
[11:50] <alllanon> dalamar: hdparm should be able to tell you
[11:50] <dalamar> i'll check
[11:50] <alllanon> dalamar: not on linux now, and can't remember the switches.
[11:50] <robotgeek> funkyHat: xev
[11:50] <funkyHat> thanks robotgeek, thats the one :)
[11:50] <sponge008> To install Ndiswrapper, I need a "source folder", then how do I make one?
[11:51] <alllanon> mkdir "source folder"
[11:51] <durt> sponge008: you need the kernel headers
[11:51] <NoUse> !ndiswrapper
[11:51] <sponge008> but, it's supposed to be the Debian source I think
[11:51] <ubotu> well, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[11:51] <robotgeek> funkyHat: also do a apt-cache search xmodmap , there was a graphical tool too!
[11:51] <sponge008> oooh thanks
[11:51] <macarthy> Anyone running MONO on Ubuntu/ AMD64?
[11:51] <alllanon> i wonder if that guy installed xbiff.
[11:51] <P8ntKid> How do i install WINE with ubuntu?
[11:51] <yaru22> what does multiverse and universe mean?
[11:51] <keegan3747> rmflagg, On the GDM login screen, select Session -> default
[11:51] <keegan3747> then log in.
[11:51] <keegan3747> If you want to use fluxbox as your gnome window manager,
[11:51] <keegan3747> add the following line to the end of your ~/.fluxbox/startup
[11:51] <keegan3747> file:
[11:51] <keegan3747> 	exec gnome-session
[11:51] <keegan3747> My ~/.fluxbox/startup file contains only the following lines:
[11:51] <NoUse> !wine
[11:51] <alllanon> thank you, keegan3747.
[11:52] <yaru22> what does multiverse and universe mean?
[11:52] <Seveas> yaru22, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[11:52] <funkyHat> :( the extra keys at the top of my keyboard have stopped working for no apparent reason
[11:52] <P8ntKid> !wine
[11:52] <yaru22> Seveas, thanks
[11:52] <malin> hm, i installed quodlibet a while ago and it seems not to work
[11:53] <P8ntKid> NoUse, The un ubuntuforums are down for me...
[11:53] <dalamar> alllanon, do I need to throw hdparm a variable to check that? hdparm /dev/cdrom doesnt say anything about PIO ...
[11:53] <Seveas> apokryphos, are you there?
[11:53] <caffinated> quick question - are the ubuntu forums down?  or is it just me?
[11:53] <sponge008> Select the inf-file you need.   Launch synaptic or whatever package management tool you prefer   Install the package "ndiswrapper-utils"   Call "sudo ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf" where foobar.inf is the path to your inf-file (windows wireless-lan driver).   Call "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" to install the needed module.   Now you can set up your working Wlan device under Desktop->Administration->Networking   Dont forget to type "ndiswrapp
[11:53] <sponge008> I do not understand
[11:53] <alllanon> dalamar: wait, i will use google since you can't :)
[11:53] <dalamar> ;/ sprry
[11:53] <sponge008> I found the instructions, it's just that they don't work
[11:53] <dalamar> sorry even
[11:53] <sponge008> Ubuntu has no source folder
[11:54] <malin> i when i run it, i got only one proccess: python /usr/local/bin/quodlibet
[11:54] <alllanon> dalamar: hdparm -d /dev/hda-whatever
[11:54] <malin> any ideas what's going on?
[11:54] <dalamar> alllanon, only line I get from the is 'using_dma = 0'
[11:54] <alllanon> i guess that is a "no", then :)
[11:54] <durt> sponge008: where are you getting errors?
[11:54] <dalamar> hmm this is wierd
[11:55] <alllanon> that means it is in PIO mode.
[11:55] <sponge008> well, I get errors when I try to make and make install
[11:55] <sponge008> but you're supposed to go to the source folder to do that
[11:55] <alllanon> dalamar: you will probably notice a real slowdown when copying files from cd to disk
[11:55] <Xappe> darn, linuxdc++ doesn't compile on my ibook...something with the atomic.h
[11:55] <sponge008> which I can't, since there isn't one in Ubuntu
[11:55] <durt> you dont need to make and make install if you use synaptic
[11:55] <Seveas> Xappe, use valknut :)
[11:55] <sponge008> synaptic...
[11:55] <durt> to get the utils
[11:55] <sponge008> google/DL?
[11:55] <Xappe> Seveas: never again
[11:55] <sponge008> or is it installed?
[11:56] <Seveas> sponge008, you're not supposed to compile ndiswrapper
[11:56] <sponge008> I didint
[11:56] <Seveas> the guide does not even say that...
[11:56] <alllanon> dalamar: try a hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdevice?
[11:56] <durt> sponge008: run "ndiswrapper"
[11:56] <sponge008> I tried, nothing happenned
[11:56] <sponge008> you mean the Perl exe, right?
[11:56] <Xappe> Seveas: it has compiled fine before, but now they changed something about atomic that I can't figure out how to fix for ppc
[11:56] <dalamar> alllanon, well never tried other than the original install, and it wasn't too slow .. burning is obviously slow with no dma but how do I get it out of PIO? is this still related to the cable? .. the hdparm -d1 /dev/device is what locks up the comp if I try to use the drive
[11:56] <Seveas> sponge008, there is no such thing as a perl exe
[11:57] <sponge008> perl executable file
[11:57] <QbY> I installed Ubuntu on my laptop, the screen looked like crapola (epsecially gradients) so I installed the nvidia drivers from nvidia..  However now my resolution is set low, and I can't change it---any suggestions?
[11:57] <alllanon> dalamar: oh. right. -d1 is to switch it from pio to dma :\ then i don't know. to you dual boot?
[11:57] <alllanon> s/to you/do you/
[11:57] <dalamar> alllanon, nope, straight ubuntu
[11:57] <lilldude> can you  auto sum  md5 sumchecker debian cds?
[11:57] <Seveas> !tell QbY about res
[11:57] <sponge008> sorry perl script
[11:57] <sponge008> not exec file
[11:57] <lilldude> i was told in comand line you could it root shell
[11:58] <lilldude> i tried that and cant do it
[11:58] <alllanon> dalamar: what drive do you have, by the way?
[11:58] <sponge008> ANYONE?????
[11:58] <QbY> anxiously..
[11:58] <Seveas> QbY: To find out how you can change your display resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:58] <lilldude> how  do i cehck my cds for debian?
[11:58] <alllanon> dalamar: i know some plextor drives have a jumper on the back of the drive (close to where the master/slave jumpers are), and that works as a physical switch to disable DMA.
[11:59] <Seveas> (apparently the bot no longer knows it)
[11:59] <Seveas> lilldude, ask in #debian ...
[11:59] <lilldude> oh
[11:59] <jyeh> hey
[11:59] <jyeh> I'm a ubuntu and linux newbie
[11:59] <alllanon> and there are many of us.
[11:59] <lilldude> doesnt ubuntu  use  same md5 sumchecker
[11:59] <jyeh> and the default install correctly isntalled my ethernet card
[12:00] <dalamar> its a memorex dvd16+/-dl4rw|d2
[12:00] <alllanon> *shiver*