[00:32] <Cosmos1206> ello
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> enmand_i'm having trouble with ubuntu 8.10
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> server
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> edission
[00:34] <ScottK> Cosmos1206: What exactly is the problem.
[00:34] <Cosmos1206> part of the reason ihaving trouble getting Open-SSH
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> apt-get open-ssh isn't working
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> or even this i meant
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> apt-get installl open-ssh
[00:35] <Cosmos1206> huh?
[00:36] <Cosmos1206> huh?
[00:36] <Cosmos1206> do I type apt-get install sshd or what
[00:37]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[00:38] <ScottK> Cosmos1206: SSH has a server and a client.
[00:38] <ScottK> To install the server you want:
[00:38]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[00:38] <Cosmos1206> jaws80
[00:38] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[00:39] <ScottK> And for the client you want:
[00:39] <ScottK> apt-get install openssh-client
[00:39] <Cosmos1206> i'm connecting to it via a windows machine
[00:39] <ScottK> Then you want the server
[00:40] <Cosmos1206> i'm connecting to it via a windows machin/
[00:41]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[00:42] <Cosmos1206> oops sorry about the jaws80
[00:52] <Cosmos1206> i'm connecting to it via a windows machok
[00:52] <Cosmos1206> ok
[00:52] <Cosmos1206> hang on
[00:55]  * Cosmos1206 is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°¹²P┘É|╠ń"
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> ok can you say that gain
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> again
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> about apt-get
[01:00] <cosmos-linux> ill be back
[01:00]  * ajmitch sighs
[01:03] <ScottK> ajmitch: His IRC client came up "mIRC with speech, Using IRC 4The blind" on whois.
[01:04] <ajmitch> still doesn't excuse the 'listening to' spam
[01:05] <ScottK> Cosmos-linux: I'll try again.
[01:05] <ScottK> To install the server you want:
[01:05] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[01:05] <ScottK> And for the client you want:
[01:05] <Cosmos-linux> ok i'm back and now can read your messages I couldn't before
[01:05] <ScottK> apt-get install openssh-client
[01:06] <ScottK> That last one needs a sudo at the start of it.
[01:06] <Cosmos-linux> right. the client is a windows machine via puTTY, so... and the linux machine is the ssh demon
[01:06] <Cosmos-linux> it needs to via root?
[01:07] <Cosmos-linux> ssh demon  or open ssh whatever i'm new to this
[01:07] <NCommander> Cosmos-linux, just to install the client
[01:07] <Cosmos-linux> i'm using a windows machine as the client
[01:08] <Tristan-b> i'm using win32 as client and connecting to it via windows because I'm not using orca, I'm visually impaired, you see
[01:09] <Tristan-b> so on the server side apt-get install openssh-server and on win32 side just connect to it after the needed steps are complete
[01:11] <Tristan-b> ?
[01:11] <Tristan-b> hello
[01:12] <hads> Yes
[01:13] <Tristan-b> do you see my messages?
[01:13] <hads> Yes
[01:18] <Tristan-b> what's that
[01:19] <Tristan-b> what's that link
[01:20] <Tristan-b> can someone inform me of the steps or give me a link to a tutorial on what you must do after the installation of Open-ssh is complete, to prepare it for use etc?
[01:21] <Tristan-b> ?
[01:22] <ScottK> Tristan-b: It should be ready to go after you install.
[01:22] <Tristan-b> i don't need the openssh-client if it's the server machine, right? that's an obvious question but
[01:23] <Tristan-b> what about starting and stopping the demon?
[01:23] <Tristan-b> that's part of what i'm referring to
[01:23] <ScottK> Tristan-b: It starts on install
[01:24] <Tristan-b> so now I just unblock port 22/23 and ready to connect
[01:24] <Tristan-b> .
[01:24] <ScottK> Yes (22)
[01:26] <Tristan-b> there we go. its unblocked. I think I'm ready to connect
[01:27] <Tristan-b> that right
[01:27] <ScottK> Should be.
[01:27] <Tristan-b> ok lets see
[01:27] <Tristan-b> connecting
[01:28] <Tristan-b> thanks! i'm, in!
[01:29] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[01:31] <Tristan-b> now... can you assist me on one more thing -- finding out what the device id of a thumb drive would be in /dev?
[01:32] <ScottK> I'm not sure of an easy way to do that.
[01:32] <ScottK> Maybe someone else.
[01:32] <J-_> What does "rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1220) [sender=3.0.3]"
[01:33] <Tristan-b> does anyone use an external hd or pendrive
[01:33] <Tristan-b> with ubuntu server
[01:33] <ScottK> J-_: Are you running Hardy?
[01:33] <Tristan-b> how do you view it that's the generalised version of the question
[01:33] <J-_> On my server, yes. On my desktop I'm running Intrepid
[01:33] <J-_> ScottK:  ^^
[01:34] <Tristan-b> mm
[01:34] <ScottK> J-_: Then you've got rsync 3 on the desktop and rsync 2 on the server.
[01:35] <ScottK> That's what that error means.
[01:35] <J-_> What do I need to correct the error? Do I need to have install the same versions on both machines?
[01:36] <J-_> in order for a script to work
[01:36] <ScottK> J-_: Yes.  We're working on testing a backport for Hardy.  See Bug 257211
[01:36] <ScottK> !backports
[01:36] <ScottK> too
[01:36] <J-_> :(
[01:36] <ScottK> Mostly we need help with testing.
[01:36] <J-_> I hope there's a workaround
[01:37] <ScottK> NCommander: Could you help J-_ get fixed up with rsync3 in Hardy
[01:37] <NCommander> Huh?
[01:38] <ScottK> Do we have a package built for backports testing somewhere?
[01:39]  * ScottK hands NCommander some more coffee.
[01:39] <NCommander> ScottK, I shoved it into the PPA
[01:40] <NCommander> ScottK, wait, rsync3 can break communications w/ rsync2?
[01:40] <ScottK> NCommander: Yes.
[01:40] <ScottK> This is why Rsync 3 in Intrepid with no backport to Hardy is a problem.
[01:40] <NCommander> But Hardy to anything else other will break w.o rsync3
[01:40] <Tristan-b> hi i have another question
[01:40] <ScottK> Thus the backport is a good idea.
[01:41] <Tristan-b> sorry if i am an annoyance
[01:41] <Tristan-b> but
[01:41] <NCommander> ScottK, its a bad idea because if someone has backports enabled and has any server without it, boom
[01:41] <NCommander> broken rsync
[01:42] <Tristan-b> how do I get an ftp server and access different account's files via it? I just want it to be on the local network so its no big deal about out of netowrking ftp's
[01:42] <hads> In what situations does it break? I rsync between Intrepid and Hardy fine here.
[01:42] <NCommander> hads, if your using rsync server mode it will break
[01:43] <ScottK> OK.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I understood the protocol changes between Rsync 2 and 3 to be incompatible.
[01:43] <Tristan-b> hi
[01:43] <hads> Ah. I only ever run over SSH
[01:43] <ScottK> Tristan-b: Just ask.
[01:43] <Tristan-b> where
[01:43] <Tristan-b> what
[01:43] <Tristan-b> what do you mean
[01:43] <Tristan-b> i just did ask
[01:43] <NCommander> ScottK, the only sane choice is it make rsync3 available either at the same time as rsync2. We either just need to make rsync3 available with a different binary name (rsync3 and rsync), or something similar
[01:43] <ScottK> Tristan-b: Sorry.  I didn't see the question.  I see it now.
[01:44] <Tristan-b> what ftp server's are there out there for ubuntu server 8.10 so I can upload files from my windows machine to my linux desktop server
[01:44] <NCommander> Or make rsync3 available as a seperate package (which runs in other issues)
[01:44] <J-_> Intrepid is turning into a nightmare for me. :(
[01:44] <Tristan-b> here's the original question
[01:44] <ScottK> Tristan-b: You can already use sftp without installing anything extra.  Just use that.
[01:44] <Tristan-b> how do I get an ftp server and access different account's files via it? I just want it to be on the local network so its no big deal about out of netowrking ftp's
[01:44] <J-_> Thinking of just going back to Hardy on my laptop.
[01:44] <hads> Also that error message that J-_ posted is what you get from calling rsync with a weird command line option.
[01:44] <NCommander> J-_, you can grab the rsync backport from our PPA, with the understanding that it is unsupported
[01:44] <Tristan-b> how what's the command to start it
[01:44]  * ScottK goes to put the kid to bed.
[01:44] <Tristan-b> sorry if i'm a pain, new to the ubuntu server
[01:45] <Tristan-b> so the sftp the command to start it yeah
[01:46] <NCommander> Tristan-b, sftp and ftp are two different things
[01:46] <J-_> hads:  The was called by rsyncing, "$RSYNC $SSH -i $RUSER@$RHOST:$RPATH $LPATH" and the error was on /var/www. I don't think it's a weird setup.
[01:47] <hads> J-_: Sure, just commenting that you can get that error from an unknown option.
[01:48] <Tristan-b> HMM
[01:50] <Tristan-b> hmm hmmm hmmm hmmmm hmm
[01:50] <Tristan-b> so the sftp the command to start it yeah
[01:50] <Tristan-b> how do you start sftp in a ubuntu prompt
[01:51] <hads> sftp
[01:51] <NCommander> Tristan-b, install openssh-server
[01:51] <NCommander> Tristan-b, that automatically installs the sftp server
[01:52] <Tristan-b> is that an ftp client or server? it appears as though its a client
[01:52] <Tristan-b> i need a server
[01:52] <NCommander> Tristan-b, server
[01:52] <NCommander> openssh-server is a server :-)
[01:52] <Tristan-b> ok i have openssh server
[01:52] <NCommander> Now on the client, just type sftp *IP address*
[01:52] <Tristan-b> i have it so how do i start it
[01:52] <NCommander> Tristan-b, it was started once installation finished
[01:53] <Tristan-b> i'm not using linux though on the client
[01:53] <Tristan-b> ... its windows...
[01:53] <NCommander> Tristan-b, Grab WinSCP (despite its name, it also supports SFTP)
[01:53] <J-_> Alright, I'll define the script better and see if an error occurs. Yep same error occurs when I, "sudo rsync ssh -i user@IP:path/to/dir /path/to/local/dir"
[01:54]  * J-_ enables the repo backport.
[01:54] <J-_> https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive Is that the correct repository?
[01:54] <Tristan-b> right i have it with file zilla secure ftp protocol
[01:55] <NCommander> Then you are in business
[01:55] <NCommander> J-_, no, the offical backport testing repo is here
[01:55] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backports-testers/+archive
[01:55] <NCommander> It should be noted that backports in that repo are experimental, and not well tested :-)
[01:56] <NCommander> (also, rsync isn't uploaded to it yet, someone will have to do that for me because I'm on dial up ATM)
[01:56] <J-_> Well, I'm not so concerned about my laptop. Though, I'd cry if my server messed up. :)
[01:56] <J-_> About to install hardy back onto the laptop anyway. It will save a lot of troubles I've been having.
[01:56] <NCommander> Is the laptop or the server running hardy
[01:57] <J-_> Server = Hardy. Laptop = Intrepid
[01:57] <J-_> s/,/./
[01:57] <J-_> the other way around!
[01:57] <J-_> :P
[01:58] <hads> That's an odd command line.
[01:58] <NCommander> lol
[01:58] <NCommander> so the laptop is running Hardy?
[01:58] <hads> What's up with the "rsync ssh -i"?
[01:58] <J-_> I'll repeat. Sorry. :(
[01:58] <J-_> Server = Hardy. Laptop = Intrepid
[01:59] <NCommander> J-_, you said it was the other way around O_o;
[01:59]  * NCommander looses his mind <g>
[02:00] <J-_> I ment the s/,/./ was supposed to go to s/./,/ and yes, not that it matters.
[02:00] <NCommander> Oh
[02:00] <NCommander> ok ;-)
[02:01] <NCommander> What issues are you having specifically?
[02:02] <NCommander> J-_, I'd perfer to resolve them rather than you resorting to downgrade
[02:03] <J-_> Is it okay if I paste 2 lines of data here?
[02:03] <J-_> actually
[02:03] <J-_> !pastebin
[02:05] <NCommander> J-_, I'm building the rsync backport now
[02:06] <NCommander> J-_, I'll upload it to the testing repo
[02:08] <J-_> Let me take the -i out. The RSA key may not be working right. Though, it has been working fine via regular ssh. And, a while ago--I created a group for my user on my server so if someone did create another user, they wouldn't be added to the group I made. Therefore, only my user has ssh access. But, I don't think that should affect it. Let me take the -i out and see if that works.
[02:08] <J-_> I think it was in relation to the ssh group
[02:08] <J-_> I forget.
[02:08]  * NCommander nods
[02:08]  * J-_ boggles eyes
[02:08] <NCommander> Uploading to the testing repos
[02:09] <J-_> Yeah, same thing.
[02:09] <NCommander> J-_, its on its way to our PPA
[02:10] <NCommander> In 20-40 minutes, it should be available, and you can install it on your intrepid laptop
[02:10] <J-_> Awesome, thanks. :) Does this mean, I'm the first user to test it? :'( I don't like being the guinea pig. lol
[02:11] <NCommander> Its been tested by other people who have built and installed it before
[02:11] <J-_> Sounds good
[02:11] <NCommander> but there were no premade binaries before now
[02:13] <J-_> I guess I can get going on my dump script.
[02:13] <hads> I don't see why you need the backport if you're just copying over SSH
[02:14] <NCommander> hads, in SSH mode, I believe it tries to start by calling the remote rsync, and then using the rsync protocol over SSH
[02:15] <NCommander> J-_, uploaded, now we have to wait for Launchpad to compile and publish
[02:15] <J-_> Nice
[02:15] <J-_> It automates those processes too?
[02:16] <NCommander> That's the purpose of PPAs
[02:17] <NCommander> Binaries usually are published within 20 minutes of the build completeling
[02:17] <hads> Okay. Well FWIW I haven't run into any issues rsyncing between my Hardy servers and Intrepid clients.
[02:19]  * J-_ doesn't know anything about PPAs. Though, not often, I do enable them as a resource.
[02:21] <NCommander> J-_, ok, its pending publishing (the build finished successfully)
[02:21] <J-_> Nice. :)
[02:21] <NCommander> J-_, https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backports-testers/+archive - when the Pending on rsync changes to published, you can get it via APT
[02:26] <centaur5> Does anybody know if the preseed variables changed for Intrepid?
[03:03] <J-_> NCommander:  Searching in Synaptic, I can't find the backport. I've enabled the repo, refreshed(updated) and, I don't seem to find it. What do I look for?
[03:04] <NCommander> J-_, its not in the offical backports repo
[03:04] <NCommander> You have to add the PPA I gave you to it
[03:05] <J-_> Yeah, I ment I've enabled the PPA, can't find the package.
[03:07] <J-_> I switched to the main server. We'll see if it's there now.
[03:08] <NCommander> J-_, what main server?
[03:09] <NCommander> J-_, try going to the command line, and typing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install rsync
[03:09] <NCommander> (it should prompt an upgrade is available for rsync, but its unsigned and act for more permission to continue)
[03:10] <J-_> No prompt. I enabled both deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu intrepid main and deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu intrepid main to Intrepid
[03:11] <J-_> Probably not in the PPA yet. It says it's published.
[03:11] <NCommander> It should be
[03:11] <NCommander> J-_, http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-backports-testers/ubuntu/pool/main/r/rsync/ the debs are there
[03:25] <J-_> !info ubuntu-standard
[04:19] <josh_> i am setting my computer to be a home server and host a website.  Is ubuntu server for setting up multiple computers on a network or for hosting a website?
[04:22] <ScottK> Yes
[04:24] <josh_> so is that a yes to both aspects of the question?
[04:24] <ScottK> Yes.  You can use it for either.
[04:25] <josh_> so do i need to go ahead and install the server edition?
[04:27] <josh_> is it complicated to set is up to run a website?
[04:28] <ShawnR> is there any setting I can do to get a 2nd SSH serve running (obv. on a diff port), or do I just need to (or can i even?) copy and rename the sshd to run a 2nd copy?
[04:30] <josh_> sorry, i dont know.
[04:30] <ScottK> josh_: What are you trying to do?
[04:30] <ScottK> ShawnR: I don't recall, but that's a common question that Google should have a reasonable answer to.
[04:31] <ShawnR> prolly does.... i must admit, i was looking for an easy way out... got a nasty sinus thing going now, if you don't know off the top of your head, don't worry about it
[04:36] <hads> From memory you can have multiple port lines.
[04:37] <ShawnR> ah, it looks like i just need to run a 2nd service and use the -f switch to point to a diff config
[04:37] <ShawnR> unless you know how to do it off of the same running service
[04:37] <hads> You just want it on two ports?
[04:38] <ShawnR> yup
[04:38] <hads> Yeah, just add a line to sshd_config
[04:38] <ShawnR> oh?
[04:42] <hads> Yeah, you can have multiple port lines in the config
[04:42] <ShawnR> seperated by comma?
[04:42] <ShawnR> like 22,443 or something?
[04:42] <hads> No, multiple lines.
[04:43] <hads> Port 22
[04:43] <hads> Port 222
[04:43] <ShawnR> ah
[04:47] <AtomicSpark> 8.10 server install now asks "do you want to activate the sata raid" near the beginning. what does this mean/do? I'm using a hardware raid 5 that already has a logical volume set up. do I want to say yes or no?
[04:48] <ShawnR> yeah
[04:48] <ShawnR> activate it
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> My problem is, after rebooting, GRUB cannot find any .. devices I guess.
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> It has error 15, which i've been told it has the wrong kernal listed, but it really cant find anything.
[04:49] <ShawnR> did you not activate the last time?
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> So its just overly broken. :P
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> I installed both ways. :\
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> The partitioner found my raid array either way.
[04:49] <AtomicSpark> So thats why I asked what that option did.
[04:50] <ShawnR> i have a soft raid on my mobo... so it does a raid... but it's a crappy one (uses the processor, not the chipset itself), in older installs, i would have to not use that raid and create soft raid in linux
[04:50] <ShawnR> in 8.10 i can set the raid in BIOS and it'll recognize it as just 1 disk
[04:50] <ShawnR> so if it's a new install, it won't matter... install it one way, if it doesn't work, try the other
[04:51] <ShawnR> but firstly, i'd try by setting the RAID in your RAID bios, and then activating it in the install
[04:52] <AtomicSpark> Yeah I tried installing with saying yes and no. I'm not sure if my issue is related as its probably a GRUB bug or linux really can not have / or /boot on a raid5 (saw that on a website).
[04:52] <vk5foss> is it a true hardware raid 5, or a hardware aided raid 5?
[04:52] <AtomicSpark> Although it worked before. I might try formating it as a LVM instead of "default". I know that worked in the past and thats the only thing I am doing different.
[04:53] <AtomicSpark> Its a raid 5 w/ online spare set up by the bios raid util.
[04:53] <AtomicSpark> Its a HP proliant ML350 G5.
[04:53] <AtomicSpark> Says something like "detected sata raid array, do you wish to activate?"
[04:53]  * AtomicSpark should of wrote it down
[04:55] <AtomicSpark> The new VM stuff is what interests me, other then that I would stick with LTS.
[04:55] <ShawnR> i know the msg, it's the new RAID stuff in 8.10
[04:55] <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
[04:56] <vk5foss> not dealt with 8.10 or hp proliants, so i'll leave you to it
[04:56] <AtomicSpark> They're hiding "known issues" for server install. Maybe its the same for the desktop.
[05:00] <AtomicSpark> Ill try again tomorrow with LVM as the formatting option. Other then that I can only think of trying to fix grub with a live cd or sticking with 8.04
[05:00] <ScottK> AtomicSpark: I don't think anyone is hiding known issues.
[05:01] <ShawnR> and 8.04 loaded from your hardware RAID just fine, from GRUB?
[05:01] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[05:01] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:01] <ShawnR> did GRUB change versions in 8.10?
[05:02] <AtomicSpark> I even did a upgrade to 8.10, that worked fine. I just thought I'd do a fresh install because I was switching over from an all-n-one to a more virtualised system.
[05:03] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:03] <AtomicSpark> According to ubottu, grub didn't change versions.
[05:03] <ShawnR> you said the error you get is from GRUB not loading (or finding) the install?
[05:03] <AtomicSpark> The only thing I can think of is I didn't choose LVM this time.
[05:04] <ShawnR> or is grub not starting?
[05:04] <AtomicSpark> Yes, it says booting from cd/floppy/C: Grub error 15.
[05:04] <AtomicSpark> Grub seems to load. Doesnt give any options. Cannot hit e to try to manually type the loading command.
[05:04] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:05] <ShawnR> was grub fully wiped off the drive?
[05:05] <ShawnR> i'd say undo the RAID, then redo it (should clear ALL of the HDD, including MBR), then try the install
[05:05] <AtomicSpark> I think so. After the 2nd time it failed, I re did the raid.
[05:05] <AtomicSpark> Yup I thought of that. :P
[05:06] <ShawnR> hmm
[05:06] <AtomicSpark> So next time Ill try with LVM and with/without saying yes to activate the sata raid.
[05:07] <AtomicSpark> I took that as to "enable it to be partitioned"
[05:07] <AtomicSpark> I hope it wasn't trying to set up a software raid on it.
[05:07] <ShawnR> nah
[05:08] <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
[05:08] <ShawnR> when i activated, it showed it as a RAID drive, didn't show seperate sda and sdb like it did before in previous versions
[05:08] <AtomicSpark> I cannot remember. It might of worded it different.
[05:10] <AtomicSpark> I'm sure I'll figure something out. Not much I can do since it's not sitting next to me at the moment.
[05:10] <ShawnR> i hate that
[05:12] <AtomicSpark> Yeah, but if I get it working, it would be a lot easier. I'm thinking of having 4 virtual servers. One FreeNAS, one LAMP, one OpenLDAP (experimental), and one test server.
[05:13] <AtomicSpark> Before I had all that on one server (sub samba for freenas) and it got messy.
[05:13] <ShawnR> cool
[05:15] <AtomicSpark> Yeah. Have you seen what the "free portion" of Landscape is?
[05:15] <ShawnR> nope
[05:15] <AtomicSpark> Hmm.
[05:15] <ShawnR> i just saw that it was a trial, and stopped paying attn
[05:15] <AtomicSpark> Heh.
[05:37] <seravitae> hi there, im having issues settuing up egroupware, the package in ubuntu seems to be half-broken
[05:38] <seravitae> id appreciate anyone taking a look at it if possible
[07:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> seravitae, whats the error?
[07:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats half broken mean?
[07:17] <seravitae> well, installing the package and removing it via purge/remove doesn't actually remove all the files
[07:17] <seravitae> its okay though ive decided not to use the package at all
[07:44] <tonyyarusso> Anyone have a recommendation for learning how to set up Bacula?  Online docs, a book, etc.
[08:11] <kraut> moin
[09:19] <kaushal> hi
[09:20] <kaushal> how can i install a specific version of MySQL DB Server 5.0.54 on Ubuntu 8.04 Server
[09:20] <kaushal> actually the default version is 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> why do you need 54 specifically?
[09:21] <kaushal> I am looking out for MySQL DB Server 5.0.54
[09:21] <kaushal> since our code is being developed on it
[09:22] <kaushal> we have just migrated to Ubuntu Server
[09:22]  * Kamping_Kaiser finds subversion dependant code to be quite failful (but thats just me)
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> sub-version *
[09:23] <domas> kaushal: mysql.com/enterprise/, subscribe, install stuff from there
[09:23] <domas> easy
[09:23] <kaushal> so you mean install it from source
[09:35] <_ruben> i'd suggest looking into the debian new maintainers guide on how to 'manually' roll a newer version of a package .. it isnt that hard really
[09:35] <domas> or subscribe to mysql enterprise :)
[09:35] <_ruben> building from source is asking for trouble
[09:35] <domas> muhuh
[09:35] <domas> this reminds me, that gcc-4.2 produced broken code for me, whereas gcc-4.1 worked properly (on hardy)
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> or just use .51
[09:35] <hads> Indeed
[09:36] <_ruben> using .51 would indeed be the best solution
[09:36] <domas> using 5.0.68 would be best, though
[09:36]  * Kamping_Kaiser mutters under his breath about web developers who write code for micro-versions of all the apps involved
[09:36] <_ruben> rolling your own package is a decent second
[09:36] <domas> or actually, using 5.0.68 with my and google patches ;-)
[09:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, the 'remote root' patch? ;)
[09:37] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: hey, default ubuntu package can provide you with remote root ;-)
[09:38] <domas> I just notified security@ few days ago
[09:38] <domas> if anyone reads it
[09:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, hehe. i do get dsa's, but didnt know there was an ubuntu security list
[09:38] <domas> probably should've forwarded that to debian too
[09:39] <domas> but as I don't use debian, I don't care much :-)
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[09:39] <domas> anyway, there's mysql packaging mistake that opens few security bugs
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> *i* use debian :P
[09:40] <lukehasnoname> OpenBSD 4.4 came out 2 days ago
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> lukehasnoname, orly?
[09:40] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: :-)
[09:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, :)
[09:41] <lukehasnoname> quite rly
[09:42] <domas> anyway, running old mysql versions is stupid! :)
[09:42] <domas> every time I see someone running a 2-year-old distro package, it makes me cry
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> phtt.
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it hasnt been out for two years it wont be stable
[09:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :p
[09:44] <domas> well, thats why 5.0 is up to 5.0.68
[09:44] <domas> because it has been out for two years and has had lots and lots of fixes
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. but not necesarily ones that need a new install
[09:46] <lukehasnoname> the server guide for intrepid still isn't up!
[09:46] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: thats what you think :)
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, yes, i'm a debian user :p
[09:46] <lukehasnoname> It's been 4 days since launch, and Canonical/Ubuntu still haven't put the draft up to the current documentation!
[09:47] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: I work mostly with people who run mysql at very much core of things :)
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, the one time i've been close and personal with mysql was my last job, and it was a bad setup. my current job we use mysql, but only to backend our bts/wiki/etc
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> s/backend our/backend our internal
[09:49] <domas> well, my major mysql place is backing a wiki too!
[09:49] <domas> I run my own mysql fork there :)
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o
[09:50] <domas> 4.0.40 ;-)
[09:50] <domas> (the official last release is 4.0.30 ;-)
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> the last place i used it (that time referenced) it was a badly setup system i inherited - 5 or 6 copies of mysql running on one system for different webapps. it was nasty.
[09:50] <domas> hehehe
[09:50] <domas> we got recently 20 new database boxes, 32gig ram, 16-15krpm-disks, etc, nice ones
[09:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> nice.
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> if they ask me to work there agian they'll have to put up with some architecting. one dedicated db box would have made a massive difference (as i'm sure your aware :D)
[09:53] <domas> 30 dedicated boxes!
[09:54] <domas> uhm
[09:54] <domas> and yes :)
[09:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> we didnt *have* 30 boxes!
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, i'm actually wondering how you got 16 drives into a server - is it an array hooked up, or do you have a crazy box with 16 drives? didnt think they sold them anymore
[09:55] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: X4240
[09:56] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: brilliant machine
[09:56] <domas> http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4240/
[09:56] <domas> 2u, 16 disks
[09:56] <domas> <3
[09:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> aaah, wow. Sun still make them <3
[09:57] <_ruben> Kamping_Kaiser: supermicro has chassis upto 24 disks (4U) .. 16disks in 3U (got 2 of those as SANs)
[09:57] <domas> _ruben: 16 disks in 2u is way better than in 3u! :)
[09:57] <domas> btw, what can cause this: http://p.defau.lt/?hC8C7MTk9BdTKBEHFgcsqA
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> _ruben, we have some supermicro boxes at work, but i thought they didnt make the 24's anymore
[09:57] <domas> i/o controller issues? CPU? etc?
[09:58] <_ruben> domas: true, sun has some nifty hardware layouts ;)
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> bloody frieght company *lost* one of our two 24 drive supermicros
[09:58] <domas> we used to use 24/16 disk supermicros for our storage servers
[09:58] <domas> now we switched to thumpers
[09:58] <domas> (X4500s)
[09:58] <domas> thumper with ZFS is teh awesome
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, looks like what we got when some of our raid controllers worked themselves loose
[09:59] <_ruben> 16x1GB sata in raid10 makes for a semi decent storage backend for our internal virtual servers (esxi)
[10:00]  * Kamping_Kaiser goes back to drooling over sun boxes
[10:00] <domas> _ruben: where the heck did you get 1GB drives?
[10:00] <domas> _ruben: ;-ppp
[10:00] <_ruben> domas: back in the 80's ... or maybe they were 1TB ones :p
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehehe
[10:00] <domas> _ruben: nowai, I remember back in '96 I had ~1GB drive
[10:01] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: we managed to read 3GB/s from thumper disks
[10:01] <_ruben> i remember when i went out with my dad to buy our first pc .. a laser xt .. pondered about getting a 20MB hdd or not
[10:01] <_ruben> 3GB/s .. damn :P
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, nice. not sure what we get from our arrays at work (head+stacks of fibrechannel). its not my area (tm)
[10:01] <domas> pity default configuration has just 4 GEs
[10:02] <domas> should put in 10G NICs to fully utilize the i/o bandwidth
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, just looked at the x4500 - whoaoo!
[10:04] <domas> X4540 is even more impressive
[10:04] <domas> it is next-generation X4500
[10:04] <maswan> domas: Yes, the hp dl185 is somewhat more balanced with network bandwidth vs storage ammount
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, i wont bother looking - at the price of those i cant even dream anymore
[10:05] <domas> dl185 is very weak, compared
[10:05] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: it is a goddamn listprice
[10:05] <domas> it has desktop motherboard inside :)
[10:06] <domas> maswan: thumper is ideal for stuff where you do some limited filtering at storage layer
[10:06] <maswan> domas: 2 gigE/10TB is better than 4 gigE/40TB
[10:06] <maswan> especially if you're not sure you can do any kind of bonding
[10:06] <maswan> I store files to/from the network.
[10:06] <domas> maswan: you can use 10GE interfaces in thumpers
[10:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, list price in $US
[10:06] <domas> Kamping_Kaiser: still, it goes down :)
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> domas, true
[10:07] <domas> maswan: thumper has internal bandwidth to support 4x10GE
[10:07] <maswan> domas: Do they support cx4/rj45 yet, or is it still just optics?
[10:07] <domas> optics, I guess
[10:07] <maswan> domas: Well, in an ideal load, yes. In practice, you lose quite a bit, as with all storage, when you put less than ideal load (multiple reads and writes) on it.
[10:08] <domas> maswan: anyway, one of win-win-things here is rackspace
[10:08] <maswan> domas: Sure, if that's precious. We run out of power and cooling before we run out of space.
[10:09] <maswan> domas: How much does a x4540 use in practice btw? We haven't measured one yet.
[10:09] <domas> maswan: ~1kW iirc
[10:09] <maswan> domas: So roughly the same per TB as a dl185.
[10:10] <maswan> That comes in at ~230W
[10:10] <domas> thats not much
[10:11] <domas> would expect a bit more
[10:12] <domas> ghm, maybe it was 800w
[10:12] <domas> should ask our datacenter guy :)
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> DoS is always a nice bug
[10:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> and a 000 as well
[10:13] <_ruben> same problem here .. run out of power/cooling before room .. which sucks
[10:13] <maswan> domas: We have a tender out which is likely to end up with 5 x4540s or 20 dl185s, so we'll see.
[10:13] <domas> maswan: what os/software are you using for all that storage management?
[10:14] <maswan> domas: locally, these will be solaris+zfs. globally it is dcache (http://www.dcache.org) for our distributed LHC tier1 at http://www.ndgf.org. (The head nodes run ubuntu, so we're still on topic here ;) )
[10:14] <\sh> phew...I was thinking about the x4500 series of sun for storage...but 2x dl365 with dual quads and 32gb ram + p800 + 2 msa60 is good enough ;) for the x4500 I really don't like the location of the drives
[10:15] <domas> maswan: interesting
[10:16] <maswan> Oh, if you want to run zfs on hp hardware, test the plain sas hba instead of the cciss. We got a factor of 4 performance increase on our test-dl185.
[10:16] <domas> maswan: the site I was talking about is my hobby/nonprofit activity, I work for Sun ;-)
[10:16] <domas> I'd expect ZFS to be fast with direct access to disks
[10:17] <maswan> domas: Ah, ok. :)
[10:17] <\sh> maswan: uh...that's a lot
[10:17] <domas> is dcache any good for media files storage maagement?
[10:18] <domas> \sh: the location of drives is not too bad, you can still service it online
[10:18] <domas> \sh: just have proper cabling/rails/etc
[10:18] <domas> it is a bit scary, when you take it out of rack for servicing
[10:18] <maswan> domas: It could be, I suspect it is still a bit too rough aroudn the edges to be very useful for the general public (outisde HEP or HPC) though.
[10:18] <domas> aokie
[10:18] <\sh> domas: well, the best way to have it build into a rack is at the bottom...
[10:19] <\sh> domas: and sun tells the admin, please exchange the sata drives every year...;)
[10:19] <maswan> domas: But on the plus side, it is getting developed. And it does scale to the "a few PB" scale, which is good for media. :)
[10:19] <domas> \sh: doesn't matter much, I've seen people having full racks of X4500s
[10:19] <domas> maswan: does it do data replication?
[10:19] <maswan> I've seen people having dozens of racks side by side full of x4500s.
[10:19] <domas> (we're probably going to do ZFS send/recv for now, but... ;-)
[10:19] <domas> maswan: you beat me! :)
[10:19] <maswan> domas: Yes, but it is a not very commonly exercised code path.
[10:20] <domas> maswan: I'm from the .org/.com world, not HPC/grids ;-)
[10:20] <\sh> domas: not in such an environment like this: http://gallery.sourcecode.de/d/320-2/b028319l.JPG ;)
[10:20] <domas> maswan: though I was recently in SARA and saw some of scientific capabilities :(((
[10:20] <domas> \sh: haha, supermicros!
[10:20] <maswan> domas: *nods*, IN2P3 in Lyon is a big x4500 installation, I think they are up to 20:ish racks.
[10:20] <maswan> well, x45[04]0
[10:20] <\sh> domas: old DC ...
[10:21] <\sh> domas: 4 rooms full of them...:(
[10:21] <domas> okok, we have just few thumpers
[10:21] <domas> goddamn, anyone can download our site, and they're doing it
[10:22] <domas> :)))
[10:22] <domas> actually, once upon a time I bought a supermicro box for '3-month temporary media storage'
[10:22] <domas> it ended up having 900 day uptime
[10:22] <domas> and the sad part of it - IPMI/NFS port collision crashed it afterwards :(
[10:23] <maswan> "Sun X45xx ( 146 Thumpers & 108Thors) usable space 6.1 PB" was the reference I was looking for for IN2P3.
[10:23] <\sh> domas: the problem was not supermirco...the problem these days was areca...maswan knows the story about kernel, areca module and fun ;)
[10:23] <\sh> bah...coffee + nicotine
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[10:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> sleep time for me :( all your words are belong to my logs!
[10:24] <maswan> \sh: well, GSI has had some interesting supermicro problems too, with their burning backplanes. :)
[10:24] <domas> it is noon here :)
[10:24] <domas> anyway, our supermicro box survived for 3 years, being main media server
[10:24] <domas> that was so sad
[10:24] <domas> (and we couldn't make backups eventually, because it was too loaded :-)
[10:25] <maswan> eww
[10:25] <domas> see, we're nonprofit running one of bigger websites
[10:25] <domas> we don't have cash all around
[10:25]  * maswan nods
[10:25] <domas> I feel a bit desperate sometimes when I see scientific computing facilities :)
[10:25] <domas> we run like... top10 website on 400 boxes in total
[10:26] <domas> and they have tens of thousands boxes doing... um... something!
[10:26] <maswan> yup
[10:26] <maswan> In my dayjob, I help run one of the LHC tier1, with thousands of compute nodes and petabyte-scale storage.
[10:27] <domas> hehe
[10:27] <domas> I had to work a bit with people building petabyte mysql databases
[10:27] <maswan> In my spare time I help run ftp.acc.umu.se which is purely donated equipment, and still manages a few gigabit/s of mozilla/ubuntu/debian etc. :)
[10:27] <domas> hehe
[10:27] <domas> we pay for bandwidth :(
[10:28] <maswan> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/about/ <- if you want to take a look at our magic caching setup for media delivery
[10:29] <domas> http://dammit.lt/uc/workbook2007.pdf for ours ;-)
[10:29] <\sh> maswan: oh...burning backplanes...I know that feeling
[10:30] <maswan> domas: our redirect+hacked mod_disk_cache is happy to handle a few tens of thousands of requests per second,
[10:31] <domas> well, you don't do evictions probably
[10:31] <maswan> I don't know how well it'd scale. :)
[10:31] <domas> we have to rely a lot on evictions
[10:32] <maswan> lunch, I'll get back to this. :)
[10:38] <domas> damn, I hate computers, and filesystems most of all
[10:38] <domas> filesystems and block layers
[10:41] <\sh> disappearing for one week now...nightshifts in DCs is fun work ,-)
[10:41] <domas> hehe
[10:41] <domas> have fun then :)
[10:53] <domas> jeeez I'm an idiot
[10:53] <domas> my XFS machines had barrier support enabled for I/O
[11:04] <maswan> domas: We do handle eviction, by handling Last-Modified and stat:ing (with some timeout, we can serve old files up to 10 minutes in current configuration, IIRC)
[11:04] <maswan> stat:ing the file on the backend NFS
[11:04] <domas> thats expiration, not eviction :)
[11:04] <maswan> oh, is there a difference?
[11:06] <domas> there is! :)
[11:06] <domas> LRU/time based evictions are expected, forced evictions are not
[11:06] <domas> we purge objects whenever something changes
[11:07] <maswan> Ah, we don't care and expect LRU to take care of it later.
[11:14] <domas> yup! lucky bastards!
[11:14] <domas> once upon a time I was doing acceleration for a website, where it was all expiration-based
[11:15] <domas> if anyone wanted up-to-date inforation, they could just hit 'refresh' on their browser :)
[11:35] <maswan> I guess our method _could_ just hook out an rm on the appropriate host and file though.
[11:35] <maswan> but that would have "some" overhead. :)
[11:49] <domas> maswan: we have multiple layers in multiple continents
[11:49] <domas> maswan: with failover, CARP, etc
[11:49] <domas> stuff gets complicated eventually
[11:49] <domas> thats why I asked about storage software %)
[11:49] <domas> sometimes people have good solutions
[12:54] <maswan> domas: as a sun guy, shouldn't you be pushing lustre everywhere? ;P
[13:29] <domas> maswan: I have... um.. conflicts of interest!
[14:00] <J-_> Is there a reason why I'm getting, "5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3999ms"
[14:00] <J-_> I can ssh into my server
[14:01] <J-_> I can ping my local IP
[14:01] <J-_> can't ping my IP
[14:01] <J-_> hmm
[14:01] <J-_> wonder if I got hacked
[14:02]  * delcoyote hi
[14:03] <J-_> I restarted apach2, but that didn't do anything
[14:03] <J-_> apache2
[14:06] <J-_> I can't seem to connect to my server with my local IP either
[14:06] <J-_> that sucks
[14:09] <domas> J-_: someone is filtering :)
[14:09] <J-_> what do you mean?
[14:12] <domas> iptables -L
[14:12] <domas> damn, found the problem with oprofile
[14:12] <domas> hehe, /bin/sh is dash, not bash
[14:17] <J-_> domas:  all three chains have, target     prot opt source               destination
[14:20] <J-_> I just restarted mysql, and, it said the restart went okay, twice. But, after it said, "* Checking for corrupt, not cleanly closed and upgrade needing tables."
[14:20] <J-_> Is this normal?
[14:20] <domas> yes
[14:20] <domas> ubuntu scripts are braindead in this regard
[14:20] <domas> and do database check after every restart
[14:21] <domas> that is an example of extreme stupidity, but oh well
[14:21] <J-_> domas:  You want me to do a database check after each restart, or was that ubuntu checking for me?
[14:22] <_ruben> the latter
[14:22] <domas> I think it is extremely stupid to run checks after every restart
[14:23] <domas> thats like traversing and reading every file on your filesystem after every reboot
[14:24] <J-_> kk. :)
[14:24] <J-_> Man, this sucks
[14:24] <domas> (this hits hard people with terabyte databases ;-)
[14:25] <J-_> Maybe I'll switch ethernet ports on my router. actually, switch to a new cat5 cable too.
[14:25]  * J-_ runs off the server.
[14:26]  * ScottK hopes it doesn't hurt when J-_ lands.
[14:27] <J-_> off to the server* :P
[14:28] <J-_> Yep, something definitely going on here.
[14:28] <J-_> blah!
[14:28] <J-_> I suppose I should wait a couple minutes incase  the DNS/ IP have to sync.
[14:28]  * J-_ waits
[14:30] <J-_> http://www.speedtest.net/result/349489942.png
[14:30] <J-_> hmmmmmmm
[14:31] <J-_> blarrrrrrrgh
[14:32] <J-_> What can I do to troubleshoot? What logs should I look at?
[14:39] <matthewi>  /ignore #ubuntu-server CRAP NOTICES SNOTES CTCPS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES WALLOPS NICKS DCC DCCMSGS CLIENTNOTICES CLIENTCRAP CLIENTERRORS HILIGHTS
[14:42]  * J-_ pulls his hair out
[14:42] <J-_> It's turning grey faster than ever!
[14:43] <J-_> Heh, I can't even do a traceroute to my domain
[14:43] <J-_> :(
[14:43] <J-_> My ISP must have shut me off
[14:43] <J-_> stupid ISP
[14:44] <J-_> Guess I'll shut the server off, and find something else to consume my time while I'm here.
[14:46] <_ruben> i'd spend that time bitching at your isp, if they'd disco you without prior notice
[14:48] <J-_> I wonder if my domain ran out
[14:48] <J-_> could that be a cause too?
[14:50] <J-_> I doubt it since I tried to go to my IP and it didn't work out
[14:50] <J-_> blah
[14:53] <om4r> exit
[14:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #292836 in samba (main) "Cannot browse samba shares" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292836
[14:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #292191 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "could not install 'mysql-server-5.0'" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292191
[15:42] <tmccrary> nfs boot support seems to be broken in intrepid
[16:55] <didrocks> sommer: there is a dead link in the serverguide at page http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/libvirt.html
[16:55] <didrocks> it is pointing to https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/installation-guide/ at "Ubuntu installation Guide"
[17:37] <iAlien> i have ubuntu server installed on a laptop - is there a way to shut off the lcd monitor being i only access it via ssh. the only commands i have found online are if you run X
[17:39] <lukehasnoname> close the laptop
[17:40] <antdedyet> don't forget to store the laptop in a locking steel droor, securely bolted into concrete flooring
[17:40] <antdedyet> (after it's closed, of course)
[17:42] <iAlien> tried that already
[17:44] <sommer> didrocks: it's because the 8.10 documentation hasn't been updated on the site yet
[17:46] <iAlien> antdedyet, i'm just using it to do website development before i move the site to our hosting provider. i'm tempted to put it infront of the exchange server for spam / virus filtering
[17:51] <antdedyet> iAlien: ah, nothing like allocating temporary machines as a proof of concept on how to harden the soft.
[17:54] <iAlien> the sad thing is with my budget ( being a non-profit) -- it would likely become permanent.
[17:56] <antdedyet> iAlien: would it be permanent if there's no way to turn the monitor off?
[17:57] <antdedyet> but you know some smart marketing guy is always going to make it know that if you were a Real Engineer you would just cut the hard wires to the unmonitor.
[17:57] <antdedyet> s/know/known
[17:58] <antdedyet> er, unmonitor = monitor
[17:58] <antdedyet> <-- :)
[17:59] <tmccrary> Does anyone know where the "nfsmount" command source code is? Specifically the version included with initrd images?
[18:00] <zul> tmccrary: packages.ubuntu.com
[18:01] <iAlien> antdedyet, i was just planning on putting the machine next the the windows server ( and put a sign do not remove ) and make the change
[18:01] <tmccrary>    You have searched for packages that names contain nfsmount in suite(s) intrepid, all sections, and all architectures.       Sorry, your search gave no results
[18:01] <tmccrary> yet.. its in there
[18:01] <tmccrary> and its not some kind of symlink
[18:02] <tmccrary> it apparently does some kind of function like pivot_root
[18:02] <tmccrary> but I cannot find the source for it anywhere
[18:02] <tmccrary> or even a mention on google
[18:02] <tmccrary> which is bizarre
[18:03] <iAlien> i think i figured out how to turn the monitor off
[18:06] <iAlien> hmmm
[18:07] <Deeps> iAlien: do tell if you work it out
[18:08] <Deeps> tmccrary: you're not searching for packages whos names contain nfsmount
[18:08] <Deeps> you want to search the contents of packges
[18:08] <Deeps> that's the next search box down
[18:09] <iAlien> hmmm if i manually press the close lid button in the bios the monitor shuts off, but it does not when booted into linux
[18:19] <tmccrary> Deeps, thanks
[18:55] <moo---> how do I check if my kernel is Xen enabled?
[18:56] <domas> uname -a
[18:56] <domas> Xen kernels are called -xen
[18:56] <domas> :)
[18:58] <Nafallo> uname -r then ;-)
[18:59] <moo---> thx
[18:59] <moo---> ok - i assume sudo apt-get install ubuntu-xen-server does not automatically add a new kernel?
[18:59] <moo---> on ibex
[19:03] <iAlien> i thinki may just bring in one of the systems i have around my house, its only a pentium class but should be fine
[19:04] <iAlien> maybe not --- no room for it
[19:08] <domas> moo---: it probably doesn't reboot your box ;-)
[19:08] <moo---> domas: why is that?
[19:08] <moo---> domas: does not sound a very human being thing ;)
[19:38] <mathiaz> ScottK: do you have some preliminary ideas (1 or 2) about the mail server stack for Jaunty?
[19:39] <ScottK> mathiaz: I think the main thing is to pursue better/easier integration.
[19:39] <ScottK> mathiaz: This can be done a number of ways, but that's the direction.
[19:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: I'm preparing the Server session I'll run tomorrow for the Open Week. I'll talk about what has been done in intrepid on the mail server stack and I'd like to get one or two details about what might happen in Jaunty.
[19:40] <mathiaz> ScottK: IIRC ivoks and you were talking about amavisd-new integration
[19:41] <ScottK> OK.  I think in Intrepid we got to a 'complete' solution by adding clamav and spamassassin and took some first steps in Intregration.
[19:41] <ScottK> mathiaz: I blogged about the integration work that got done here; http://www.kitterman.org/ScottK/2008/10/easy_smtp_filter_and_policy_se.html
[19:47] <mathiaz> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/66906/ -> is this an good statement of what you're thinking for Jaunty?
[19:47]  * ScottK looks
[19:48] <ScottK> mathiaz: Let's not tag me with it individually.  I have some ideas, but I don't know I'll have the free time.
[19:49] <mathiaz> ScottK: right. I'll add a sentence that help is welcome.
[19:49] <mathiaz> ScottK: the idea is to give a sneak preview of what *might* come in jaunty to spike interest of prospective developers.
[19:50] <ScottK> The goal would be to be able to script installation of postfix, amavisd-new, spamasassin, and clamav in an integrated, working configuration with no hand editing of config files needed.
[19:51] <ScottK> How's that sound?
[19:51] <mathiaz> ScottK: great!
[19:51] <lamont> ScottK: that sounds very good
[19:51] <domas> teeheeeee
[19:51] <domas> "Thank you for reporting this, however<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not the
[19:51] <domas> proper forum to report bugs. Please go to
[19:51] <domas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug and file a bug in our bug
[19:51] <domas> tracker. Feel free to mark it as a security vulnerability."
[19:51] <domas> oh, sorry, thought that will be one line paste
[19:51] <domas> (excuses excuses)
[19:51] <Cosmos-Tristan> ok got a question
[19:52] <jdstrand> domas: I just sent you that
[19:52] <domas> jdstrand: filing a bug!
[19:52] <domas> jdstrand: I went to some security page and found email there
[19:52] <Cosmos-Tristan> what?
[19:52] <domas> jdstrand: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn refers the email
[19:52] <jdstrand> domas: perhaps I can get the page updated if it isn't clear. do you have the link?
[19:52] <jdstrand> heh
[19:52] <domas> hehe! ME FAST!
[19:53] <jdstrand> that really should be updated...
[19:53] <jdstrand> domas: thanks
[19:53] <domas> jdstrand: pleasure to assist with sorting that out
[19:53] <domas> jdstrand: /usn is alias for /security too
[19:54]  * jdstrand nods
[19:56] <Cosmos-Tristan> is there any good dyndns (dynamic domain name service) dyndns.com update clients
[19:56] <Cosmos-Tristan> dynds update clients
[19:56] <Cosmos-Tristan> any that will just work right out of the box with a few commands/keystrokes
[19:57] <domas> jdstrand: bug#293258
[19:58] <Cosmos-Tristan> ..
[19:58] <jdstrand> domas: thanks
[19:58] <domas> jdstrand: I realize this may be upstream issue, just.. was a bit lazy to talk to Debian people :)
[19:59] <jdstrand> domas: it affects us, so reporting it to us is fine
[19:59] <domas> okie
[20:00] <domas> ubuntu server is a huge gift to humanity! I'll assist in any way I can!
[20:00] <jdstrand> awesome! :)
[20:00] <domas> ( should I point out all recursive mutex problems too? :-)
[20:00] <Cosmos-Tristan> i think I found a client
[20:00] <Cosmos-Tristan> http:// mexpolk.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/ubuntu-gutsy-dyndns-client-setup/
[20:01] <Cosmos-Tristan> but its for gutzy, not intrepid/the most recent 8.10 ubuntu server release
[20:01] <domas> one of my most annoying ubuntu-server issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/imagemagick/+bug/164533 ;-)
[20:02] <domas> few more years and it will be fixed :)
[20:02] <Cosmos-Tristan> mm
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> hm
[20:03]  * Cosmos-Tristan is listening to "ÓßŌŃõÕµń°█²P┘É|╠ń"
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> Speech disabled.
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> Speech enabled.
[20:03] <Cosmos-Tristan> sorry bout that guys
[20:15] <localhost> lol
[20:19] <moo---> I can't find vmlinuz kernel file for amd64 ibex
[20:19] <Cosmos-s> ahem?
[20:19] <andol> moo---: I might just be called "linux", if you'r refering to the file I think you are.
[20:19] <Cosmos-s> oh what's the package name for mail server
[20:20] <Cosmos-s> ello?
[20:20]  * Cosmos-s wonders if anyone is alive.
[20:20] <moo---> andol: http://pastebin.com/m22bfff58
[20:21] <Cosmos-s> hello?
[20:21] <andol> Cosmos-s: Well, there is a task(sel) called mail-server
[20:21] <Cosmos-s> so apt-get install mail-server?
[20:21] <Cosmos-s> how do i start the task oops
[20:22] <andol> moo---: ls -l /vmlinuz
[20:22] <andol> Cosmos-s: Well, if you want a menu, you can simply run: sudo tasksel
[20:22] <moo---> andol: /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-server
[20:23] <andol> moo---: There you are :) Or were there something else you were looking for?
[20:23] <moo---> yes
[20:23] <moo---> where is my xen hypervisor support?
[20:23] <moo---> [moo@bison][22:23][~]% sudo xm
[20:23] <moo---> ERROR Internal error: Could not obtain handle on privileged command interface (2 = No such file or directory)
[20:23] <Cosmos-s> how do i start it, though?
[20:23] <andol> Cosmos-s: or else you directly run: sudo tasksel install mail-server
[20:24] <moo---> andol: 1) if the default ibex kernel includes hypervisor support how do I start it? 2) if not where has the -xen kernel gone?
[20:25] <andol> moo---: Good question. I don't know.
[20:25] <moo---> the next question is, who knows?
[20:26] <Cosmos-s> its just sitting there
[20:27] <andol> Cosmos-s: What is?
[20:27] <Cosmos-s> please wait 0%
[20:27] <andol> moo---: Google? suitable forum?
[20:28] <moo---> have been googling 3 hours now
[20:28] <moo---> I think this is a new issue
[20:28] <Cosmos-s> Package configuration
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó┬ż Installing packages ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó Please wait...                                                            ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                     0%                                    ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:28] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:28] <domas> thanks!
[20:28] <moo---> so I try to reach a person who actually might know something about this
[20:28] <moo---> and I thought all hardcore hackers spent their time on #ubuntu-server ;)
[20:29] <Cosmos-s> uh?
[20:29] <mathiaz> moo---: have you tried #ubuntu-virt?
[20:29] <moo---> mathiaz: there is such a place
[20:29] <domas> moo---: I'm still happy with hardy!
[20:29] <domas> btw, anyone knows why ddebs site has broken Packages files?
[20:29] <domas> or actually, is the whole ddebs process broken?
[20:30] <Cosmos-s> hey this is what i get
[20:30] <Cosmos-s> Package configuration
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó┬ż Installing packages ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó Please wait...                                                            ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                     0%                                    ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó                                                                           ├ó
[20:30] <Cosmos-s>  ├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó├ó
[20:30] <mathiaz> !paste | Cosmos-s
[20:30] <moo---> mathiaz: thx!
[20:31] <Cosmos-s> !paste
[20:32] <Cosmos-s> ok so
[20:32] <Cosmos-s> what' si tmean
[20:34] <moo---> Cosmos-s: don't copy-paste on this channel dircetly, use pastebin isntead
[20:35] <Cosmos-s> w/e
[21:24] <yann2> http://pastealacon.com/1570 - I've got a disk controller that seems to *freeze* sometimes for a couple of seconds (2 - 10 secs)
[21:24] <yann2> I have no idea how to troubleshoot further - it's a  nVidia Corporation CK804 Serial ATA Controller
[21:25] <yann2> any known issues? Idea how to get more infos?
[21:25] <kraut> nvidia foo is teh crap
[21:25] <yann2> sun fire server though :)
[21:25] <kraut> yep, it sucks hell, the nvidia NICs are a nightmare
[21:26] <domas> try upgrading firmware
[21:26] <yann2> here we go again..  http://pastealacon.com/1571 .. 5 secs for something that takes usually 0.03secs...
[21:26] <domas> :)
[21:26] <domas> and open support case with Sun too
[21:26] <yann2> i got ubuntu support.. x2100 is supported hardware in theory
[21:26] <yann2> think that may help?
[21:27] <yann2> bah I'll see.. never used the support so far
[21:27] <domas> I've escalated some RAID issues internally, having more cases open help :)
[21:37] <MatBoy> has someone used proftpd + mysql auth and shell login ?
[21:44] <DavGerm4> hey I'm having trouble getting ubuntu seen outside my network?  Like if someone typed in the external IP it would usually say "It Works", but it doesn't go anywhere?
[21:56] <Gino> hi, is there a way to centralize user managment in ubuntu server?
[21:56] <domas> centralize ?
[21:56] <Gino> i mean a easy way to use kerberos/LDAP
[21:56] <Gino> or somethings like that
[21:57] <Gino> sorry for my poor english
[21:57] <domas> well, you can use PAM or NSS
[21:58] <Gino> where can i find some documention for ubuntu?
[21:58] <Gino> is something strange what i have asked?
[21:58] <domas> Gino: try with 'apt-get install authtool'
[21:58] <domas> or apt-get install auth-client-config
[21:58] <domas> do note, there're separate issues client of authentication provider, and actual provider
[22:00] <Gino> when you have many server to manage what do you do for user account?
[22:00] <domas> unix accounts or service accounts?
[22:00] <domas> at the moment we're using NIS
[22:00] <Gino> both
[22:00] <domas> though people use puppet nowadays
[22:01] <domas> for systems management
[22:01] <domas> LDAP is common choice if you want services integration
[22:01] <Gino> ok thank you
[22:02] <Gino> just one more question
[22:02] <Gino> is there a way to add a virtual machine to a kerberos realm automatically during the creation with python-vm-builder?
[22:07] <ScottK> leonel: New clamav is out.  Looking at the Changelog I didn't see any obvious security stuff, but there's an off by one error that should be looked at.
[22:11] <johnbollwitt> Hi folks.  I'm wondering if anyone might have some insight on how to get Railo running on Ubuntu server?  I'm pretty hard up for help on this one.
[22:25] <jgjones> Greetings
[22:25] <jgjones> Quick question...
[22:25] <jgjones> I'm looking into something that is like iFolder - which seem like an excellent product but doesn't seem to be in active development? Any good alternatives?
[22:26] <jgjones> Currently we're using the Microsoft's solution - Offline Files over a PPTP VPN.
[22:27] <jgjones> Licencing cost is a reason for looking at alternatives.
[22:58] <Cosmos-s> ello
[22:58] <Cosmos-s> !paste
[23:00] <Tristan-B> ok
[23:00] <Tristan-B> here ya go
[23:00] <Tristan-B> i'm having a problem with this
[23:00] <r00tintheb0x> Anyone fimiliar w/Dell CERT SATA RAID controllers.
[23:00] <r00tintheb0x> I hope I didnt nuke my array.
[23:01] <Tristan-B> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67008/
[23:01] <r00tintheb0x> I had to replace a drive in a raid1 array, and my only option was to re-create the array.
[23:01] <Tristan-B> !paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/67008/
[23:01] <Tristan-B> any good ansi c-compilers that i can use
[23:01] <Tristan-B> !p
[23:01] <Tristan-B> !
[23:02] <Tristan-B> got it
[23:02] <Tristan-B> does anyone see the c compiler thing
[23:03] <Tristan-B> !help
[23:04] <Tristan-B> ... alive out there?
[23:05]  * Tristan-B growls
[23:05] <Tristan-B> quit
[23:34] <Appl3Kork> ok so I finally got the server outside the home network.  But is it possible to edit things through PuTTY from outside the network? or does it have to be on the same network?


[12:38] <lamont> pitti?
[12:41] <lamont> zul: the version is <IP_ADDRESS>-1.2
[12:42] <lamont> zul: what command exactly did you run?
[12:42] <zul> debuild
[12:43] <zul> im using breezy though so maybe somehting screwed up
[12:43] <lamont> ah, /me uses debuild -i -S, and then uses sbuild to actually build it
[12:43] <zul> sbuild?
[12:43] <lamont> for uploads, we want the -i, so that the arch crap goes *poof*
[12:43] <lamont> sbuild is what the buildd uses.  pbuilder is another common tool for building in a chroot
[12:43] <zul> ah ok
[12:43] <zul> ill try that then
[11:20] <svenl> fabbione: linux-image-2.6.11-1-powerpc 2.6.11-0.2 is 2.6.11-rc something ?
[11:20] <svenl> err.
[11:20] <svenl> 2.6.12-rc something ?
[11:20] <fabbione> no
[11:20] <fabbione> that is 11rc something
[11:20] <fabbione> a bk snapshot
[11:20] <fabbione> you want linux-source-2.6.12
[11:20] <fabbione> that is 12rc4
[11:21] <svenl> fabbione: yep.
[11:22] <svenl> fabbione: apt-cache search linux-image didn find it though.
[11:22] <fabbione> svenl: it's in breezy
[11:22] <svenl> Oh, you mean that it was not yet build on powerpc or something such ?
[11:22] <fabbione> universe
[11:22] <fabbione> it is built
[11:22] <fabbione> it's there
[11:24] <svenl> oh, i didn have universe/multiverse in breezy sources, that explains it.
[11:24] <svenl> BTW, how can i get ride of these messages :
[11:24] <svenl> W: GPG error: http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com breezy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:25] <svenl> BTW, did you bring in mkvmlinuz 13 into breezey ow ?
[11:25] <fabbione> cat chroot-breezy/etc/apt/apt.conf
[11:25] <fabbione> APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "1";
[11:26] <svenl> and to authentificate it correctly ?
[11:26] <fabbione> svenl: dunno.. you can just use dpkg -p mkvmlinuz and see yourself
[11:26] <fabbione> no that's to disable the message
[11:26] <fabbione> it turns off authetication
[11:26] <fabbione> usually when you get that message is beacuse the mirror is not in sync properly or it is syncing
[11:26] <svenl> and no, i am not in some funny breezy changeroot, i run breezy directly :)
[11:27] <svenl> fabbione: ah.
[11:27] <svenl> fabbione: i have mkvmli13 installed locally.
[11:28] <svenl> but yes, it si synced, there is a 13ubuntu1 :)
[11:31] <fabbione> time to learn the language
[11:31] <fabbione> i think....
[11:32] <svenl> hehe
[12:40] <svenl> fabbione: we have a bug in the 2.6.12-rc wakeup from sleep on powerbook code.
[12:40] <svenl> fabbione: i will investigate with benh, but can you note it down somewhere until i recover my X.
[12:57] <svenl> yep, definitively a problem with the current X.
[02:51] <chmj> fabbione: whats up ? or rather do I wanna know ?
[02:51] <fabbione> chmj: not yet
[02:52] <fabbione> never mind
[02:52] <chmj> that can't be good
[04:59] <zul> heylo
[05:24] <zul> fuck
[05:25] <lamont> chmj: he's married.  that explains much. :-)
[05:28] <chmj> I was afraid he was gonna say that :p
[05:29] <zul> hmmm?
[05:34] <zul> fabbione: do you still have the rc4 tarballs somewhere can you throw them up again on your ~fabbione thx
[07:15] <fabbione> zul: they are in the archive :)
[07:17] <zul> yeah but something is fucking up
[07:17] <zul> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/chuck/work/ubuntu/<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-source-2.6.12-<IP_ADDRESS>/debian/build/build-686'
[07:17] <zul> The changelog says we are creating 2.6.12, but I thought the version is 2.6.12-1-686
[07:18] <fabbione> that's the package name
[07:19] <zul> so the changelog is messed up?
[07:19] <zul> or kernel-package
[07:19] <fabbione> i don't understand what changelog you are talking about
[07:20] <zul> grr..i think it might be me
[07:20] <fabbione> the version is <IP_ADDRESS>-$whatever
[09:59] <lamont> zul: 2.6.12-1-686 is part of the package name, not the version
[10:00] <lamont> linux-source-2.6.12 (<IP_ADDRESS>-1.2) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[10:00] <lamont> that's what's in my changelog copy, and it's what it should be,
[10:06] <zul> i know im not sure why im gettting that error though


[00:00] <perelin> yup.. its not in the list
[00:01] <perelin> but this made afraid very much...
[00:01] <charlie-tca> It will be fine
[00:01] <perelin> hope so... just switched over to xubuntu from that unity monster 2 weeks ago
[00:02] <perelin> and i was very happy with it until 2 hours ago
[00:02] <perelin> :)
[00:02] <charlie-tca> You will be happy again. :)
[00:02] <perelin> allready am!
[00:03] <perelin> have a hand on workshop tomorrow... and an own laptop enviroment is must have
[00:04] <perelin> goin to bed now... thx from germany!!
[08:45] <nikolam> Why nobody actually fixes bugs in LTS releases.
[08:46] <nikolam> I just hit again that bug where, while setting and changing windows manager look, X just dies and user can not log in AT ALL to session afterwards
[08:46] <nikolam> Why we have updates, when fixes only land to newest regular release or in testing?
[08:47] <nikolam> Should not bug fixes be backported and presented to LTS and SUPPORTED releases?
[08:48] <TheSheep> nikolam: did you report the bug? they usually have a much better chance of being fixed when reported
[08:48] <nikolam> YES AGES AGO
[08:49] <nikolam> and I got quick fix last time on this channel
[08:49] <nikolam> so i continued to work
[08:51] <nikolam> Problem I think is that reported bugs do not necessary count in fixing it in release it was reported into. And that is the problem for all ubuntu distributions
[08:53] <nikolam> I was repeatedly asked "does it works in newest release" when the problem is in previous release i use. Most of the time bugs get fixed but somehow it is forgotten to update also previous releases that are still supported.
[08:53] <nikolam> I understand some things in lts and previous releases get updated and some do not. But..
[09:01] <nikolam> gtk-theme-name="Murrine-Sky" I think that is it, in .gtkrc-2.0
[09:02] <TheSheep> I think that the bug needs to have high enough severity to get backported
[09:03] <nikolam> I see. Like locking user from computer and never be able to log in again severity.
[09:14] <nikolam> I would like to know, BTW, Why "Switch user" was removed from shutdown menu, anyway
[09:20] <nikolam> I would like to delete that murine theme thing not to be sacked in it again
[09:49] <nikolam> it is value="Wildbush" for theme in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfwm4.xml that kills X and do not allow user to log in again.
[09:53] <TheSheep> nikolam: if you want it to be read by the developers, write it on the bugtracker and not here
[09:53] <nikolam> I might report it again, if not reported before, against what should it reported, against xfwm4-themes I think. yes that is it.
[09:53] <nikolam> oki
[10:14] <nikolam> here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4-themes/+bug/797587  Now just to confirm it and to rise its importance  to be fixed.
[10:14] <nikolam> Since it stops user from using account , I think it should be higher priority for LTS, too.
[10:17] <nikolam> "best" thing is that after changing that setting and switching few times between users, now sound does not work anymore..
[10:23] <nikolam> Ah, there is a bug already reported, but someone marked it "low"?? .. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4-themes/+bug/573516
[10:23] <nikolam> Also present on 10.10, hence NOT fixed, ue to "low" priority
[10:29] <nikolam> And THIS is procedure to make it fixed in supported releases... : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[12:30] <jozefk> \o
[12:30] <jozefk> which one is better way to do it and why? 1) find . -type f -iname '*name*' 2) find . -iname '*name*' -type f
[12:41] <TheSheep> jozefk: isn't it the same?
[12:42] <jozefk> it seems by default find command will put -iname first even in case of example 1)
[13:05] <buff27> greetings to all xubuntu users
[13:17] <jozefk> greetings to you too :)
[13:18] <buff27> was wondering if anyone was alive in here
[13:20] <jozefk> we are still all alive :)
[13:20] <jozefk> but I don't look at the channel all the time. especially if nobody speaks :D
[13:26] <buff27> yes fair enough jozefk
[13:53] <charlie-tca> *GM
[14:04] <jozefk> it's 5pm here. so good afternoon :)
[15:09] <Fenix2> *still on* needed a fix for compiz drawing no borders for windows and no top bar when upgraded from 10.10 with Emerald and Compiz installed
[15:09] <Sysi> emerald is deprecated, set compiz to draw window borders with something else
[15:09] <Fenix2> and compiz saying during startup "No decorator found, trying all decorators"
[15:10] <Fenix2> Sysi: compiz settings has a check-box "borders" clicking it does not help
[15:11] <Sysi> they have window borders in unity so itäs possible
[15:11] <Fenix2> what's unity ?
[15:11] <Sysi> new ubuntu GUI
[15:12] <Sysi> "thing people have complained about since start of this year"
[15:12] <Sysi> i don't know more exactly because i hate compiz
[15:13] <Fenix2> Sysi: what do I install to have something draw the damn borders with compiz as the wm
[15:14] <Fenix2> gtw-border-decorations or such yielded only results in the software center for compiz oddly
[15:15] <Sysi> double click on "window borders" in ccsm and replace "emerald" with "gtk-window-decorator"
[15:16] <Fenix2> I have to start it up. ( on a Mac now )
[15:16] <Fenix2> evil Cupertino evil
[15:17] <Fenix2> Portland good
[15:17] <Fenix2> Redmond evil also regrdless of do you or don't you pirate it
[15:17] <Sysi> you don't, on ubuntu channels
[15:17] <Sysi> every OS sucks
[15:20] <Fenix2> Sysi: I double clicked.. now it shows that it runs command /usr/bin/compiz-decorator .. I change this ?
[15:21] <Sysi> does that binary exist? put that /path/ to terminal
[15:23] <Fenix2> yeah.. exists
[15:23] <Sysi> weird..
[15:24] <Sysi> you have decorator but no borders still
[15:24] <Fenix2> how do I totally reset all compiz settings ?
[15:24] <Fenix2> and configure it again
[15:25] <Fenix2> I removed it with software center and put it back but it had old defaults it used
[15:26] <Sysi> some hidden file in ypur home folder
[15:26] <Sysi> open thunar and press Ctrl H
[15:26] <Sysi> maybe in .config
[15:26] <Fenix2> what does that do.. should I nuke ~/.config/compiz and reinstall ?
[15:28] <Sysi> reinstall isn't needed
[15:29] <Fenix2> so it seems I need to remove some config file..
[15:29] <Fenix2> or edit it
[15:29] <Fenix2> ...
[15:29] <Fenix2> If I nuke all compiz'es confs in ~/config/ does it rebuild em ?
[15:29] <Sysi> i just told you how to find that file for deleting it, dunno if it helps
[15:30] <Sysi> it copies the defsult there
[15:30] <Fenix2> hmm..
[15:33] <Fenix2> There is Default.ini but that doesn't contain anything referring to external thingy to draw borders
[15:50] <Fenix2> I've never before seen an Linux installation ask "There is a new version available, would you like to upgrade to 11.04?"
[15:50] <Fenix2> It was too good to be true
[16:14] <n2diy> I've been playing with Remote Desktop Viewer, and it appears I have Vinagre installed by default as the client, and no server installed? Is there a preference as to what server should be used?
[17:47] <uofm49426> is anyone working on the freezing screen saver problems
[17:47] <xrdodrx> ?
[17:48] <uofm49426> in xubuntu and ubuntu 11.04
[17:49] <uofm49426> start up worked find i leave to go do something and its frozen in screen saver
[17:50] <xrdodrx> Maybe it's your video card driver?
[17:51] <uofm49426> i have a nvidia gl 330
[17:51] <uofm49426> with 1 gb ram
[17:51] <xrdodrx> which driver are you using?
[17:52] <uofm49426> current
[17:53] <xrdodrx> Current?
[17:53] <uofm49426> proprietary
[17:54] <Sysi> happens always or with just some screensaver?
[17:54] <uofm49426> just the default screensaver
[17:54] <Sysi> you couls try disabling screensaver or left it to blanc, anyway not needed on tft screen
[17:55] <uofm49426> Bug #762918 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu): “Natty Screensaver ...
[17:56] <Sysi> xubuntu has xscreensaver
[17:57] <uofm49426> or i can say screw it better luck with 11.10
[17:57] <uofm49426> xubuntu freezes the same way
[17:58] <xrdodrx> No, you don't want to be using 11.10 for anything other than testing 11.10
[17:58] <uofm49426> i ran that first i hate ubuntu i was thinking it was a flavor problem
[17:58] <xrdodrx> Ubuntu and Xubuntu use different screensaver programs
[17:59] <Sysi> setting it to blank would tell is spesific screensaver theme is buggy, it uses randomly chosen by default
[17:59] <xrdodrx> well if you hate ubuntu then I guess nothing I say will change your mind
[17:59] <xrdodrx> :(
[17:59] <uofm49426> no ill going back to 10.10 till its fixed
[18:00] <plantoschka> your system only crashes in screensaver mode? or does it crash in more situations?
[18:00] <Sysi> does it crash everytime screensaver turns on?
[18:00] <xrdodrx> Try playing a 3D game or something that uses opengl
[18:00] <xrdodrx> and see if it crashes
[18:00] <uofm49426> when screen shutsdown
[18:01] <uofm49426> and screensaver is going
[18:01] <uofm49426> games run fine
[18:02] <xrdodrx> are you using a CRT monitor? if not it's better to not even use a screensaver
[18:02] <uofm49426> yes im using a crt
[18:02] <Sysi> you should also try if virtual consoles work after crash, Ctrl Alt F6
[18:02]  * plantoschka didn't used screensavers for like > 10years :-D
[18:03] <plantoschka> why not set it to disable the screen after a few minutes?
[18:03] <xrdodrx> or alt + sysrq + reisub
[18:05] <uofm49426> 10.10 work flawlessly with my computer
[18:05] <plantoschka> hm
[18:06] <plantoschka> maybe update the graphic drivers?
[18:06] <plantoschka> or try to use the noveau drivers?
[18:07] <uofm49426> i think ill try runing it in vm let it freeze will vm tell why it froze
[18:09] <plantoschka> think it won't freeze in the vm :-D
[18:33] <charlie-tca> The screensaver issue in Xubuntu is caused by the gl xscreensavers. switch to a screensaver that is not gl and it quits freezing.
[18:34] <charlie-tca> the screensaver issue in Ubuntu is not the same issue
[19:18] <Wizard> hi
[19:59] <plantoschka> any way to make lyrics work in gmusicbrowser?
[20:19] <as> hello how i put icons Ex- firefox on bar
[20:20] <charlie-tca> as: like Ubuntu?
[20:21] <charlie-tca> We don't do that.
[20:22] <likemindead> Anyone use cmus? Like it? Hate it? Meh?
[20:23] <likemindead> Howsabout moc?
[20:24] <as> i want put icons on up bar i am new in xubuntu it s a new install i have firefox on bar i like to know how i put more icons like openoffice etc etc
[20:25] <celestica_-> as, Right+Click on your panel, select the panel option, and then click on Add New Items
[20:26] <Sysi> on 11.04, drag from menu
[20:26] <celestica_-> as, Once there, you should be able to add whats called a "Launcher", from there simply input the path (probably /usr/bin/openoffice) and you should be able to launch your applications from there!
[20:27] <as> thanks i ggo try i use lts version
[20:27] <charlie-tca> if it was 11.04, firefox won't be on the panel, though
[20:30] <as> it's work thanks very much celestica_
[20:44] <as> another question how i access to my network in thunar
[21:32] <slake76> Ciao ragazzi.....posso chiedervi qualche cosettina?????
[21:32] <Sysi> !it
[21:33] <slake76> ah pardon....ho preso dal sito ok
[21:34] <slake76> eh ma per Xubuntu?? #xubuntu-it?? giusto????
[21:34] <likemindead> slake76: /join #ubuntu-it
[21:38] <Unit193> Guess not...
[23:14] <kuatoAR> I need help. The mouse pointer is gone, and X toke its place and windows are not working correctly, everything was ok, then I've updated Google Chrome and now xubuntu is "brocken", any help? , thanks in advance.
[23:14] <kuatoAR> xubuntu 11.04


[02:23] <holstein> zequence: oh, we're doing 15.10 iso testing?
[08:40] <zequence> holstein: It's up to anyone who wants to. There's no limmit to when you are allowed to test it.
[08:40] <zequence> But, that's Grants problem.
[08:41] <zequence> He's trying to install a development version of Ubuntu Studio in order to do development work


[14:10] <Jaycob> hi
[14:10] <Jaycob> i have a question about ubuntu and partitioning
[14:11] <Jaycob> can i change the size of the partition that ubuntu is using after i have installed it?
[14:11] <niko> Jaycob: you should try #ubuntu, our support channel
[14:11] <Jaycob> ok
[14:11] <Jaycob> thanks
[21:30] <memba> hello everybody
[21:31] <jpds> Hello.
[21:31] <memba> I'm sorry to enter like this, right to the point. Too much time without talking in a irc. But I'd lke to know how can I activate corners for scale in compiz. Can anyone help me please? I'd really apreciate it
[21:31] <jpds> Please try #ubuntu or #ubuntu-es for support.
[21:32] <memba> I'm with a Medion akoya and this works great1
[21:32] <memba> ok, I'll change the channel
[21:32] <memba> thks jpds


[00:31] <Riddell> sgclark: voila http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.12.0_wily.html
[00:31] <Riddell> build-status-conf/frameworks.conf is now part of the kubuntu-automation bzr repository so I just reverted to the version in bzr and on my local computer updated to 5.12, commited and the bzr update on the server
[00:32] <sgclark> oh we dont do on the server anymore?
[00:32] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[00:32] <sgclark> and thank you
[00:33] <Riddell> sgclark: I switched to put the config in bzr, I think that's nicer
[00:33] <sgclark> okies
[00:35] <sgclark> though I did not realize I am leaving for akademy next week and have stuff to take care of before I leave, I will finish frameworks though.
[00:37] <Riddell> thanks sgclark, but as ever don't stress yourself to death!
[00:37] <sgclark> lol
[05:36] <murthy> I finally solved the problem of long  shutdown time. Process kwin_x11 was not responding to sigterm. I traced the problem with kwin_x11 to config file kwinrulesrc. I deleted all the kwinrulesrc* and the problem got solved
[05:41] <murthy> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344518
[05:48] <ovidiu-florin> ubottu: where's kubotu?
[07:15] <vip> hi h
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:26] <zxsinclair> morning, I am running 15.10 alpha in a vbox and just want to say it looks great
[07:27] <zxsinclair> can anyone confirm if KNemo is kind of outdated (no Plasma5) though
[07:50] <soee> not sure, never used knemo :0
[07:50] <soee> :)
[08:00] <sitter> zxsinclair: pretty sure it is unmaintained so it might well be broken. would be perfect pet project if you are looking to become a developer ;)
[08:01] <sitter> otherwise ksysguard and the network applet should mostly replace it
[08:01] <zxsinclair> +sitter it is just that where I live a more "active" indication of internet is vital
[08:04] <zxsinclair> man its been long since IRC - how do I indicate a certain ID like +sitter
[08:04] <sitter> zxsinclair: apparently it was picked up again
[08:04] <sitter> zxsinclair: userna<tab>
[08:04] <zxsinclair> tab?
[08:05] <sitter> tab key
[08:05] <sitter> above caps lock
[08:05] <sitter> ah no knemo only had translation commits
[08:05] <zxsinclair> yes I know where it is but does not seem to work in Quassel
[08:06] <sitter> #quassel might be able to help
[08:06] <zxsinclair> sitter: got it!
[08:06] <zxsinclair> you first press TAB..
[08:07] <zxsinclair> sorry for "noice" guys, it has been a while
[08:07] <sitter> well, you write part of the name and then tab :P
[08:07] <zxsinclair> sitter: Now I got it
[08:27] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[08:28] <sick_rimmit> sitter: Hi, I need your help on something I believe
[08:29] <sick_rimmit> sitter: my<EMAIL_ADDRESS>email address does not appear to forward to my registered email address on launchpad, would you be the correct person to ask about this ?
[08:32] <Riddell> sick_rimmit: #launchpad or #canonical-sysadmin
[08:33] <sitter> sick_rimmit: make sure your primary email address on launchpad is not set to your kubuntu address
[08:33] <sitter> your kubuntu address is set up as a forwarding address to your primary launchpad address, so if you have the kubuntu address as primary it will forward to itself
[09:58] <zxsinclair> sitter: I think this basically means Knemo is "abandonware". There are replacements so am not crying hard but I like it
[09:59] <sitter> zxsinclair: you could try reporting a bug and see if someone responds :P
[10:00] <zxsinclair> sitter: true that. But am still keeping 15.x in Vbox. Actually on 15.10 alpha. For everyday use on 14.10
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:45] <santa_> hey Riddell
[12:45] <Riddell> howdy, clivejo_, there's a new calligra out if you enjoyed the last one :)
[12:45] <Riddell> hola santa_
[12:45] <santa_> hola
[12:45] <santa_> :)
[12:45] <santa_> I saw somthing you may be interested in wrt gcc 5
[12:46] <santa_> let me find the link...
[12:47] <santa_> https://packages.qa.debian.org/libm/libmusicbrainz5/news/20150708T230015Z.html
[12:48] <santa_> Riddell: ↑ this package was uploaded to unstable recently so I guess you will want to do something about it
[12:49] <santa_> a possible course of action would be: 1. sync that package with debian, 2. rebuild the packages mentioned in the changelog against the new musicbrainz in ubuntu
[12:49] <Riddell> thanks santa_, I guess I'll talk to doko
[12:50] <santa_> for libkcddb you will need patch, it's available in debian's git master
[12:51] <santa_> s/patch/a patch/
[12:56] <Riddell> hmm
[12:57] <Riddell> patches are bad m'kay
[13:07] <santa_> but sometimes you need them to avoid ftbfs'ing http://imagebin.ca/v/28bZVFBoBdwW
[13:13] <sitter> nope, upstream should release a hotfix is what should happen
[13:16] <santa_> but in the meantime I had to apply the patch to make it buildable and installable again http://imagebin.ca/v/28bZVFBoBdwW
[13:18] <santa_> the patch in question: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/libkcddb.git/commit/?id=1caf3cfa80bced172714d64976939bea489e4a45
[14:39] <Riddell> clivejo_: oh and plenty of merges to be done of course
[14:39] <Riddell> hi TJ-, do you want to be an elite Kubuntu ninja?
[14:42] <TJ-> Riddell: No... just fix some annoying bugs
[14:43] <Riddell> oh I'm sure we have plenty of those
[14:43] <Riddell> as I say most of our software is from KDE
[14:43] <Riddell> stuff like the installed is Kubuntu specific, and the language installer needs ported to kf5 and notification helper is ours and muon is kde's but we're the main user
[14:43] <TJ-> I'm going to pull in the KDE next week and see if I can get my head around it, again :)
[14:44] <TJ-> s/KDE/KDE development repos/
[14:44] <Riddell> pick something small and see if you can get it to compile
[14:45] <Riddell> our stuff https://projects.kde.org/search?projects=1&q=kubuntu
[14:46] <TJ-> Compiling isn't a problem, getting my head around how the components interact, and the context/history/direction is.
[14:47] <Riddell> all the stuff you don't get taught in university
[14:47] <Riddell> don't be afraid to ask
[15:40] <Riddell> awooga, ktp gets into release!
[16:09]  * Riddell out
[17:42] <murthy> kdeconnect 0.8b is available, can we get a update? Shall I file a bug report?
[18:09] <soee> someone tried it http://www.tuxarena.com/2015/07/qmplay2-gets-a-new-release-mostly-fixes/ ?
[18:22] <ahoneybun> soee: debian is moving towards or away ffmpeg?
[18:22] <soee> it will use ffmpeg
[18:31] <murthy> Does smplayer support ffmpeg?
[18:50] <lordievader> murthy: Believe mplayer (or mpv) can use both, depends on how you compile it.
[18:51] <lordievader> Hmm nevermind I only see the libav useflag.
[18:51] <clivejo_> murthy: where did you see this ? "kdeconnect 0.8b is available, can we get a update? Shall I file a bug report?"
[18:52] <murthy> clivejo_: commits
[18:52] <murthy> clivejo_: sorry tags
[18:53] <murthy> clivejo_: I am trying to build a deb so I can test
[18:58] <clivejo_> murthy do you know how to check out the code for 0.8b?
[18:59] <murthy> clivejo_: ya, but I just downloaded a snapshot
[18:59] <clivejo_> how?
[18:59] <clivejo_> I tried to download a tarball but there is only one file in it
[19:00] <soee> clivejo_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/791959/download-a-specific-tag-with-git
[19:00] <soee> clone and checkout tag
[19:00] <clivejo_> thanks soee
[19:00] <murthy> yes
[19:14] <clivejo_> murthy: what is its name?
[19:15] <clivejo_> previous packages are kdeconnect-kde
[19:15] <clivejo_> but I can only get it to build as kdeconnect
[19:26] <murthy> clivejo_: kdeconnect-kde is a transitional package so what you have is correct
[19:27] <clivejo_> murthy: can you get it to build?
[19:27] <murthy> clivejo_: ya, doing that
[19:27] <clivejo_> my one is failing on network test
[19:27] <murthy> clivejo_: I am able to compile it. finished compiling it. Now I am trying to package it as deb for personal use
[19:28] <murthy> clivejo_: did you install the build dependencies for kdeconnect?
[19:28] <clivejo_> I thought I had
[19:29] <murthy> clivejo_: you didn't?
[19:29] <clivejo_> well its failing on testsocketlinereader
[19:30] <clivejo_> must be misisng something
[19:30] <murthy> clivejo_: you did this right? sudo apt-get build-dep  kdeconnect
[19:30] <murthy> clivejo_: also I had to configure the build towards qt4
[19:31] <murthy> clivejo_: see I am a noob, so take care
[19:31] <clivejo_> oh this version isnt for plasma 5?
[19:31] <murthy> clivejo_: it is, but during build it is asking for qt4
[20:14] <clivejo_> murthy: Im a noob too
[20:14] <clivejo_> trying to learn how to package
[20:14] <murthy> Great!
[20:14] <clivejo_> not going so well
[20:14] <murthy> we need more packagers
[20:15] <murthy> clivejo_: no problem, you will learn soon
[20:15] <soee> someone familar witd nodejs ?
[20:15] <murthy> soee: nope
[20:35] <clivejo_> anyone know why my nick keeps changing to clivejo_ ?
[20:36] <soee> what primary nick you have set ?
[20:37] <clivejo> thats so weird!
[20:38] <yofel> usually happens when your connection dies and you reconnect immediately
[20:38] <clivejo> I was logged into VLC chat
[20:38] <clivejo> but it was saying my nick was in use and was changing it
[20:41] <clivejo> very strange
[20:41] <clivejo> is VLC on Freenode?
[20:42] <clivejo> ah
[20:42] <yofel> should be, they were in the past at least
[20:43] <Riddell> hola chicxs
[20:43] <clivejo> I was connecting via irc.videolan.org
[20:44] <clivejo> strange loop back thing going on
[20:44] <yofel> well, irc.ubuntu.com is the same ^^
[20:45] <clivejo> when I logged in via irc.videolan.org it was saying my nick was in use and changing it to clivejo_
[20:46] <clivejo> hi Riddell
[20:48] <clivejo> anyone working on the new calligra?
[20:48] <Riddell> nope, it's for the taking
[20:48] <Riddell> but so are a bunch of merges if that doesn't excite you
[20:49] <sgclark> bunch of merges?
[20:49] <Riddell> well they might be if merge-o-matic was working https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[20:50] <Riddell> meh
[20:50]  * clivejo kicks merge-o-matic
[20:50] <clivejo> try now
[20:53] <Riddell> nope didn't help
[20:55] <sgclark> ahh heh
[20:56] <Riddell> sgclark: I've updated the docs in kubuntu-automation to point to the new staging-upload script and it working ok for frameworks, what did you have problems with
[20:56] <Riddell> the trouble is it's making kci very sad with merges
[20:57] <sgclark> right
[20:57] <sgclark> so all deps have this ~ at end now.
[20:57] <sgclark> = fails
[20:57] <yofel> what deps?
[20:57] <sgclark> and I *think* that was main problem
[20:58] <sgclark> frameworks
[20:58] <sgclark> build dpes
[20:58] <sgclark> evidently a maxy change?
[20:58] <yofel> got an example?
[20:59] <Riddell> the ~ isn't a bad thing is it? that's because maxy likes to upload versions with a ~
[20:59] <yofel> we all do, esp. for PPA's. So it is a good idea really
[20:59] <sgclark> libkf5coreaddons-dev (>= 5.12.0~),
[21:00] <yofel> why would that fail?
[21:00] <sgclark> the merges did
[21:00] <sgclark> your asking the wrong person, all I know is I had to manually merge all of kf5
[21:00] <sgclark> great fun
[21:01] <ScottK> From a packaging perspective, 5.12.0~ is a great version to have.
[21:01] <yofel> *SIGH*
[21:02] <sgclark> sigh?
[21:02] <yofel> can we drop all that CI merging... it's causing more work than it helps :(
[21:02] <sgclark> I am sure it is an easy fix... I will look when I have time
[21:03] <Riddell> merging from debian definately seems to be more faff that it's worth, at least more than once a cycle
[21:04] <Riddell> yay plasma-nm got into wily!
[21:05] <TJ-> I can donate a few cycles to packaging although its not my primary objective, if it'll help
[21:06] <Riddell> TJ-: we'd always love more packagers
[21:06] <Riddell> although many of the problems come from tools not being quite as reliable as they ought to be
[21:06] <Riddell> sgclark: will you upload those to the PPA?
[21:06] <TJ-> I'm sure; that's why I'm being careful not to get drawn into it too far!
[21:07] <TJ-> Does the kubuntu packaging follow the ubuntu development process, using bzr, or is it on a per-package/per-dev-preference basis?
[21:08] <clivejo> murthy: did you get kdeconnect packaged?
[21:09] <Riddell> TJ-: the big kde releases, frameworks, plasma and applications we package in branches debian's git
[21:09] <TJ-> Mmmm git :)
[21:09] <Riddell> TJ-: we have a nifty CI to package it every day http://kci.pangea.pub/
[21:09] <Riddell> TJ-: and then we have less nifty scripts to package the tars when they get made
[21:10] <TJ-> Riddell: to save you typing... is the process documented someplace? I'm not having much luck finding anything about the CI-train merge process right now
[21:10] <Riddell> TJ-: no not really
[21:11] <Riddell> ci-train is ubuntu's system I think
[21:11] <Riddell> we use kci
[21:11] <yofel> the CI workflow is documented on some kde wiki page, I forgot the URL though
[21:11] <TJ-> Riddell: So if I recall correctly, most of the main packages come directly from a Debian merge and rarely carry {k,u}ubuntu specific debian/patch/ additions?
[21:12] <yofel> TJ-: not that rarely, but mostly yes. And we're usually ahead of debian in the versions
[21:12] <TJ-> yofel: My search-fu failed on finding it, or else on spotting current practice :)
[21:12] <Riddell> packaging is here (mostly) http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/
[21:12] <Riddell> some packages are still in bzr like calligra and digikam and others
[21:12] <TJ-> yofel: Is the preference to patch in Debian?
[21:12] <Riddell> and some aren't in version control at all
[21:12] <Riddell> preference is to patch in KDE
[21:13] <TJ-> Riddell: Those will be tarball + quilt?
[21:14] <TJ-> Riddell: OK, so upstream preferred for cross-distro stuff; how about for Debianised patches, preference Debian, and then I assume Kubuntu for flavour-specific stuff like branding/language ?
[21:14] <yofel> ah, found it: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Merges
[21:15] <murthy> clivejo: ya
[21:15] <murthy> clivejo: going to install
[21:15] <TJ-> yofel: Thanks :)
[21:15] <Riddell> TJ-: we try not to add our own branding to KDE software, KDE's a brand we want to promote
[21:15] <clivejo> Ive installed mine, doesnt fix the file transfer from Android to Kubuntu corrupting the file :)
[21:16] <murthy> clivejo: did you restart after installing ?
[21:16] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I have to git-buildpackage-ppa by hand, will try to finish here in a few. Wily at least.
[21:16] <clivejo> yup
[21:16] <murthy> clivejo: I will test and tell you the result
[21:16] <clivejo> is there any way to tell which version Im actually running?
[21:16] <Riddell> sgclark: nice big bash for loop? or you can just run staging-upload it should work now
[21:17] <yofel> Riddell: what's the intended purpose of staging-upload?
[21:17] <murthy> clivejo: let me see
[21:17] <TJ-> Riddell: Maybe I used thw wrong word... not branding, but for example references to Kubuntu rather than Debian in strings/docs and maybe some tools?
[21:17] <sgclark> staging upload?
[21:18] <murthy> clivejo: run this kdeconnect-cli --version
[21:18] <sgclark> ahh bash script should work if skipping the backport merge
[21:18] <yofel> if you're skipping git on backports, you might as well use my old script...
[21:18] <clivejo> murthy: 0.8
[21:18] <sgclark> old script?
[21:18] <yofel> although, the hooks are unmaintained
[21:19] <murthy> clivejo: thats the default one
[21:19] <yofel> kubuntu-batch-backport in automation
[21:19] <murthy> let me see what happens after I install
[21:19] <murthy> clivejo: ^
[21:19] <sgclark> oh I meant just skipping for now. not for good.
[21:19]  * clivejo rolls eyes, I probably messed the packaging up
[21:20] <valorie> what's my best bet folks, for making a bootable kub. ISO to check out a possible new travel computer?
[21:20] <valorie> in the store I mean, before purchasing
[21:20] <valorie> 15.04 64-bit?
[21:21] <murthy> brb
[21:21] <valorie> running out of time to purchase and fix up such a box
[21:23] <ahoneybun> tool to make it or if you should use 15.04 vs 14.04?
[21:24] <Riddell> TJ-: again there shouldn't be many of those, we have the kubuntu-docs packages for docs and kubuntu-settings package for settings
[21:25] <TJ-> Riddell: OK, that makes things easier especially for translations :)
[21:27] <yofel> sgclark: well, you need the past changes from git or the hooks to get sane packages out at the end, so either you do the merges or you just run a script that just pulls the existing packages and uploads them to a different release (which is what the old one does)
[21:28] <yofel> Riddell: what's the intended purpose of staging-upload?
[21:28] <murthy> clivejo: I just tested with kdeconnect 0.8b the issue is not fixed. I think I saw a commit, a possible fix for this issue 0.8b tag. Let me check that
[21:28] <Riddell> yofel: replaces kubuntu-initial-upload
[21:28] <yofel> why?
[21:29] <clivejo> murthy: what is your version showing as?
[21:29] <Riddell> yofel:  just tidying up the script, removing some of the cruft it's got
[21:29] <yofel> ok
[21:29] <murthy> clivejo: the command shows 0.8
[21:29] <clivejo> oh, so maybe I did package it ok!
[21:30] <murthy> clivejo: the package version is the one I set which is 0.8b
[21:30] <murthy> clivejo: ya
[21:30] <murthy> clivejo: so you know packaging :)
[21:30] <clivejo> thats a shame, I was hoping that file corrupting bug was fixed
[21:30] <sgclark> sorry not really here. I did not realize I leave Sunday for akademy and have RL to attend to. But I will get wily uploaded by end of day.
[21:32] <Riddell> sgclark: don't worry if you can't!
[21:32] <Riddell> we should be working out how to build it with gcc 5
[21:33] <Riddell> maybe we should make staging-frameworks depend on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-016/+packages
[21:33] <murthy> clivejo: I am going to test kdeconnect in the master branch
[21:36] <clivejo> murthy: let me know how it goes
[21:36] <murthy> ok
[21:41] <Riddell> sgclark: I made staging-frameworks depend on that gcc5 PPA so we know what breaks
[21:42] <sgclark> mm ok
[21:44] <valorie> !md5sum
[21:59] <Riddell> clivejo: it worked merge-o-matic is back!
[21:59] <Riddell> smokekde korundum kactivities kdnssd kwallet  need merged
[21:59] <Riddell> let me know if you fancy tackling those clivejo, TJ- and need any pointers
[22:02] <TJ-> Question re: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/CI#Prevent_Merge.2FBuild_Fail   ... the example shows using "quilt import <patch>" without any context as to where the patch file comes from. Surely if the patch is already in upstream the best approach would be "git cherry-pick --no-commit <commitish>" followed by "git diff > ../xxx.patch" and *then* "quilt import ../xxx.patch" ?
[22:03] <TJ-> (with a "git reset --hard HEAD" to remove the cherry-pick of course)
[22:05] <Riddell> TJ-: your git foo might be better than mine :)
[22:05] <TJ-> Riddell: :) ... I just felt I came in 1/2 way in reading that... lost the most important part of the context
[22:06] <Riddell> TJ-: it's a wiki, feel free to edit :)
[22:06] <TJ-> Riddell: I'll make local notes for now until I start actually using the tooling and confirm I'm correct :)
[22:13]  * Riddell uploads meta-kde-telepathy
[22:14] <Riddell> from  https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html  polkit-qt-1
[22:14] <Riddell> pkg-kde-tools
[22:16] <Riddell> and of course lots of non-kde stuff anyone can take
[22:37] <murthy> Riddell: do you know the build dependencies for kdeconnect on frameworks ? I am trying to build from master and its asking for a lot of kf5 libs, installing it one by one is hard.
[22:38] <Riddell> murthy: are you building on wily or vivid?
[22:38] <murthy> Riddell: vivid
[22:39] <murthy> is it harmful?
[22:39] <murthy> backports are enabled
[22:40] <Riddell> murthy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-plasma is the package currently
[22:40] <murthy> I am stuck here https://paste.kde.org/py13z5gya
[22:40] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdeconnect-plasma would get them
[22:40] <murthy> oh
[22:40] <murthy> thats nice
[22:40] <murthy> let me try that
[22:42] <Riddell> murthy: has there been a release or are you packaging from git?
[22:42] <murthy> Riddell: testing from git branch
[22:43] <murthy> Riddell: just making deb to uninstall easily
[22:43] <mparillo_> valorie: I used unetbootin to make bootable USBs, but rumour has it that it does not work on UEFI systems.
[22:43] <Riddell> murthy:  well I think the package could do with an update so if you get it working let me know and I'll get it into the archive for wily
[22:44] <murthy> sure
[22:51]  * Riddell out