[17:04] <dmj_s76> Trevinho: Thanks for getting the fix committed.
[17:04] <Trevinho> :-)
[17:04] <Trevinho> thank you for that
[17:07] <dmj_s76> Trevinho: Would be really good to get this backported for Xenial.
[17:09] <Trevinho> dmj_s76: yeah, i've to backport quite some things there..
[17:09] <Trevinho> let's leave it there for a while to check if there are regressions, then we go for that


[01:36] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1320569] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1320569 (by Christian Miller)
[02:18] <Etriaph> Evenin'
[07:56] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1320569] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.13.0-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1320569 (by Christian Miller)
[09:33] <turgay> project in neon installation fails  http://sudrap.org/paste/text/332088/
[12:06] <ghostcube> hmm does anyone use the folder widget?
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy all


[04:30] <hallyn> pmatulis: no, i should be able to, but it just doesn't seem to work.
[06:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: you might still be asleep, but if I would thank you just once every 100 times I'm happy about uvt I'd still call you twice a week
[06:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak: big thanks for that tool
[08:05] <rbasak> cpaelzer: np. I need to find some time to polish it up :-(
[08:30] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:20] <stemid> 25G     /var/log/lastlog on a server installed 3 months ago, one local user.
[12:20] <stemid> wtf
[12:20] <stemid> just running last gives me 467 lines
[12:20] <stemid> it's an ubuntu 14.04 acting as a galera arbitrator.
[12:23] <stemid> and this has nothing to do with sparse files, it actually uses 25607496 kB on disk.
[12:32] <pmatulis> hallyn: weird. i got one on my cloud but the thing eventually froze up
[12:33] <pmatulis> stemid: sounds like a party
[12:34] <pmatulis> hallyn: lemme know if i can help debug
[13:05] <smoser> dmsimard, join #cloud-init and ping harlowja. he might be persuaded to do so. also spandhe might be able to.
[13:10] <DammitJim> for the version of tomcat7 that installs from Ubuntu repos... what causes the catalina.out to be rolled over to catalina.out.1?
[13:40] <dmsimard> smoser: thanks
[14:27] <hallyn> pmatulis: smoser: i'm sort of wondering whether cloud-init+systemd+lxd-bridge are having a bad interaction
[14:27] <hallyn> but i've made no progress :(
[14:28] <smoser> hallyn, well, probably not wrt the no_seed that you foun
[14:30] <hallyn> smoser: no, those are mutually exclusive
[14:31] <hallyn> but both uvt-kvm and openstack are using xenial cloud images, but in one i get networking hang (nova) and the other boots fine (uvt-kvm) with a lxd container running
[14:48] <SaltySolomon> Hi
[15:43] <Blueking> any good with dual xeon configuration for home use, fileserver. vpn , multistream videos to 5-6 pc's in house +++
[15:47] <patdk-wk> that sounds like you need a really really fast drive array, or ssd
[15:53] <madwizard> You could try zfs mirrors with ssd as l2arc
[15:53] <madwizard> the second level cache
[15:53] <madwizard> since its xenial
[15:53] <madwizard> Although for 6 pcs l2arc may be an overkill
[15:54] <qman__> yeah, l2arc won't help much with streaming either unless they're streaming the same content
[15:55] <qman__> more, faster drives will do better
[15:55] <sdeziel> l2arc doesn't use mirrored drives
[15:55] <Blueking> patdk-lap  I have hardware raid card
[15:55] <madwizard> sdeziel: uhm?
[15:55] <madwizard> sdeziel: Explain
[15:55] <sdeziel> the l2arc is made to sustain the loss of any drive without issue
[15:55] <madwizard> sdeziel: l2arc is a cache
[15:55] <qman__> he didn't say mirror the l2arc
[15:55] <madwizard> Also
[15:55] <qman__> he said use drives in mirrored configuration and add l2arc
[15:55] <madwizard> You *can* mirror l2arc
[15:55] <madwizard> Depends on usecase
[15:56] <madwizard> But fast drives set up as mirror vdevs would do the trick
[15:57] <qman__> yeah
[15:57] <Blueking> people talk about VM is it about virtual sumthin ?
[15:57] <qman__> my file server has 30 WD Red drives in mirrored ZFS configuration and has no trouble saturating gigabit reads
[15:57] <madwizard> Blueking: VM is usually a Virtual Machine
[15:57] <qman__> 20*
[15:57] <madwizard> qman__: Nice
[15:58] <sdeziel> madwizard: yes I nkow that l2arc is a cache and that's exactly why mirroring it would be odd
[15:58] <Blueking> people uses vm for homeuse ?
[15:58] <madwizard> sdeziel: I've seen such deployments
[15:58] <qman__> writes are slower, varies by compression but usually around 35MB/s
[15:59] <qman__> but I'm also using dm-crypt and old Opteron CPUs
[15:59] <madwizard> qman__: writes to zfs mirrors are slower. Visibility depends on hardware and workload, yes
[15:59] <sdeziel> madwizard: sounds like a waste of SSD/speed
[16:00] <qman__> without the encryption I'd expect it to go full speed
[16:00] <jrwren> its pretty easy to saturate gigabit reads on sequential IO. :p
[16:00] <qman__> 4 cores without AES accelleration definitely limits performance
[16:00] <madwizard> sdeziel: Some customers want to keep having hot cache despite ssd failure
[16:00] <madwizard> sdeziel: All depends on your business case
[16:01] <sdeziel> madwizard: true. I didn't know it was possible to set it up like that. Thanks
[16:01] <madwizard> np
[16:01] <madwizard> I suspect it's a rare case
[16:03] <sdeziel> madwizard: man 8 zpool needs an update then. It clearly states that "cache" devices cannot be mirrored or part of raidz
[16:04] <madwizard> sdeziel: Hm. Or the functionality was removed.
[16:04] <madwizard> sdeziel: I wonder if I still have a vm where I can test
[16:04] <sdeziel> madwizard: my SSD buget doesn't even allow me to consider such setup anyways ;)
[16:05] <madwizard> Oooorrrr
[16:05] <madwizard> I might be mistaken after all
[16:05] <madwizard> sdeziel: I would try it on files :)
[16:05] <madwizard> sdeziel: You don't need ssds to test a command
[16:06] <sdeziel> madwizard: I know but I was saying I won't even need to have redundant SSD backed caches
[16:06] <qman__> it really wouldn't make sense with SSDs, since they fail after a certain amount of writes
[16:06] <patdk-wk> l2arc won't help at all for streaming workloads
[16:06] <qman__> they're more likely than HDDs to fail simultaneously given the same load
[16:06] <patdk-wk> it's unlikely that data will even move from arc to l2arc
[16:07] <madwizard> patdk-wk: Yeah, come to think of it
[16:07] <patdk-wk> it will be very hit and miss
[16:07] <patdk-wk> but the issue with multible streaming workloads is, it becomes really really random
[16:07] <patdk-wk> cause it constantly has to keep seeking
[16:08] <madwizard> Poor, poor read thread :(
[16:08] <qman__> yeah, the best solution for that is just a bigger raid 10 / zfs mirror setup
[16:08] <madwizard> Can't find what it's looking for, constantly seeking
[16:08] <patdk-wk> and raidz will NOT help
[16:08] <qman__> or going all SSD
[16:08] <patdk-wk> raid5/6 can somewhat help
[16:10] <madwizard> patdk-wk: What is the difference?
[16:10] <patdk-wk> raidz has to read from ALL disks for each read
[16:11] <patdk-wk> raid5/6 only read the disk needed, assuming stripe size is large enough
[16:11] <madwizard> okay
[16:11] <madwizard> thnx
[16:12] <qman__> to see any advantage from that though, you generally need an expensive RAID card
[16:12] <qman__> on cheap cards and software RAID the gains are slim
[16:13] <qman__> and the problems with raid 5/6 far outweigh that benefit in my opinion
[16:15] <patdk-wk> no, you can easily see an advantage without an expensive raid card
[16:16] <patdk-wk> the expensive raid card causes the advantage only when doing writes, when you have bbwc
[16:16] <patdk-wk> for reads the advantage will be there, anyway you look at it
[16:16] <patdk-wk> just you get no protection on reads, like you would have using zfs
[16:51] <teward> jgrimm: you asked for an update?
[16:51] <teward> i apologize for not speaking up earlier - internet evils are evil
[16:53] <jgrimm> teward, i was just giving you an opportunity since I saw you had joined the meeting.
[16:54] <teward> jgrimm: not for lack of trying, Internet came back but died again
[16:54] <teward> jgrimm: nothing other than 1.9.14 landing finally
[16:54] <teward> with HTTP/2 enabled
[16:54] <jgrimm> no worries. thanks!!
[16:55] <teward> yep
[18:00] <max3> can someone help me out? no matter what i do i cannot get ldap to start. it keeps throwing 570d37b7 main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1
[18:00] <max3> i've tried all sorts of permissions schemes on the ssl certs
[18:09] <sarnold> max3: is there anything else more informative in the logs?
[18:09] <max3> nope
[18:09] <max3> just the memory address of the call
[18:09] <max3> 570d37b7 main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1
[18:09] <max3> from googling around it's apparent this is because of permissions on the certs
[18:10] <tarpman> max3: that is one possible cause, not the only one
[18:10] <tarpman> max3: you could confirm with strace whether it's actually trying to open the cert file you expect, and what the return code from that is
[18:10] <pmatulis> max3: you can also temporarily remove TLS and see
[18:11] <max3> well when i comment out olcTLS*CertificateFile in cn\=config.ldif it starts
[18:11] <max3> so smoking gun i think
[18:11] <max3> although strace is a good idea
[18:12] <tarpman> max3: as far as permissions, don't forget to consider the directories containing the certs, as well as the files themselves
[18:13] <max3> i have
[18:13] <max3> in fact it shouldn't be an issue because the error occurs even when i try to start slapd as root
[18:13] <tarpman> right. likely not permissions, then
[18:14] <tarpman> a couple of other stabs in the dark:
[18:14] <tarpman> the private key needs to not be encrypted - i.e. no passphrase on it
[18:14] <max3> as far as i can tell it's not
[18:14] <tarpman> if you have an olcTLSCipherSuite setting, check that it's a valid gnutls priority string - and not e.g. an openssl ciphers string
[18:15] <max3> no ciphersuite
[18:16] <tarpman> sigh. pin-the-tail-on-the-tls-config-issue is no fun :|
[18:16] <max3> yes
[18:16] <sdeziel> max3: I'd check if the key matches the cert. I compare the modulus to be sure
[18:16] <tarpman> yeah, worth checking that you can run gnutls-serv with the same cert and key and connect to it
[18:17] <max3> i'm looking at strace output
[18:18] <max3> just to test i put the ca cert in /tmp/
[18:19] <max3> yet i get open("/tmp/cacert.pem", O_RDONLY)       = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[18:19] <max3> but i also get open("/etc/pkcs11/pkcs11.conf", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) which i guess is from a package i have not installed
[18:19] <patdk-wk> apparmor?
[18:20] <max3> god damn it
[18:20] <max3> indeed
[18:20] <max3> i don't know how i missed that
[18:20] <max3> in dmesg
[18:20] <max3> lol it's clear as day
[18:21] <max3> apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/slapd" name="/tmp/gw-01-private.key"
[18:21] <max3> lol
[18:22] <max3> thanks patdk-lap
[18:22] <max3> thanks patdk-wk
[18:22] <sarnold> apaprmor shouldn't cause ENOENT errors
[18:23] <max3> well
[18:25] <max3> actually sarnold you're right. i'm still getting the same error in strace
[18:29] <max3> i am le dumb
[20:02] <fullstop> Hi all.  Where would be the right place to ask about the inclusion of a root certificate?  Does that fall more into debian-land?
[20:02] <sarnold> fullstop: what's the goal?
[20:03] <sarnold> fullstop: talking with mozilla may be quickest, iirc their certificate store is The Source for the ca-certificates package
[20:03] <fullstop> sarnold: the certificate bundle does not contain StartSSL's extended validation root.
[20:04] <fullstop> sarnold: it actually looks like mozilla's cert store does contain it.
[20:04] <fullstop> in short, chrome/chromium on linux will never show a "green bar" for any startssl ev cert.
[20:06] <fullstop> maybe I'm completely wrong here, but that's where I got after talking to chromium people.
[20:08] <sarnold> fullstop: if you would, please https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+filebug  -- that'll get it to the right people
[20:08] <sarnold> fullstop: bonus points if you can show it in the mozilla bundle :)
[20:08] <fullstop> I'll try to dig that up.
[20:09] <sarnold> fullstop: thanks!
[21:57] <genii> Is there any way for a PXE server to know the architecture of a client machine so it can feed the correct binary for that platform?
[21:58] <nacc> genii: yes, iirc, well, over dhcp there is
[21:59] <genii> Documentation on the subject seems sparse
[21:59] <nacc> pxe-system-type, iirc?
[22:00] <nacc> genii: option pxe-system-type code 93 = unsigned integer 16;
[22:00] <nacc> then, you can do, .e.g
[22:00] <nacc> if option pxe-system-type = 00:06  for x86, 00:07 for x86_64
[22:02] <nacc> genii: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4578#section-2.1
[22:05] <genii> Apologies on lag, work required me for a bit...
[22:05] <nacc> genii: that only seems to cover the x86 family, though, do you need to do more architectures than that? not sure if, e.g., powerpc provides a differn value (should be debuggable)
[22:05] <genii> PXE system is currently based on dnsmasq
[22:07] <genii> nacc: Ideally one server for x86,x86-64, PPC, ARM, and MIPS
[22:07]  * genii gets back to reading
[22:08] <nacc> genii: ok, dnsmasq should be able to see the same option, i think
[22:09] <nacc> genii: not sure if those other archs have appended to the above list in their pxe env, unofficially
[22:09] <nacc> genii: iirc, power does something specific, but i can't reacall
[22:10] <genii> Yeah, also PPC has little-endian and big-endian types
[22:10]  * genii makes more coffee
[22:14] <genii> Interesting, there seems to be an #isc-dhcp channel on Freenode
[22:15] <nacc> genii: right, that's a good point
[22:15] <nacc> genii: i don't believe the BE implementations support PXE, fwiw
[22:31] <drab> hi, trying to install 1604 from pxe and getting an error about "kernel modules not found on mirror"
[22:31] <drab> exactly the same as this guy: http://askubuntu.com/questions/754947/how-to-fix-no-kernel-modules-were-found
[22:32] <drab> unfortunately no answer there, someone else is saying to be having the same problem installing from USB
[22:32] <drab> so this doesn't seem to be pxe related, which indeed it shouldn't, the installation is well in progress
[22:32] <drab> any thoughts?
[22:35] <sarnold> drab: try hitting control+alt+ f2..f7 to see if there are more explanatory error messages on another terminal
[22:36] <sarnold> drab: check also the logs, there may be more debugging info there
[22:38] <ShaRose> Trying to get ulimit -n to work for all users, edited /etc/security/limits.conf to have * soft/hard nofile 200000 and /etc/pam.d/* to have session required pam_limits.so. Default is still 1024 soft and 4096 hard, UNLESS I go su $USER, after which it works.
[22:38] <ShaRose> Trying to avoid adding su $USER to every script because I really, really shouldn't have to use that kind of a hack.
[22:39]  * ShaRose is debating whether he should just shrug and add su $USER into /etc/profile :P
[22:40] <ShaRose> well that at the whole 'enter your password' deal
[22:41] <randymarsh9> ShaRose: if it's stupid and it works it ain't stupid
[22:41] <randymarsh9> ;)
[22:41] <ShaRose> it don't if the user has a password and it's in a script :P
[22:41] <ratrace> ShaRose: not sure I understand your problem. If you log in as a user, do you see the limits you've set in limits.conf?
[22:42] <ShaRose> no, I see the defaults: soft 1024, hard 4096.
[22:43] <ratrace> how did you set up the limits.conf?
[22:43] <ShaRose> sudo nano /etc/security/limits.conf, add the 2 lines at the end
[22:43] <ratrace> yeah what two lines?
[22:43] <ShaRose> (there aren't any files in /etc/security/limits.d)
[22:43] <ShaRose> * soft nofile 200000 and * hard nofile 200000
[22:44] <ShaRose> I've even spun up a ubuntu server install in a VM so that I didn't have to reboot my main server a bunch of times trying stuff, but it's not even working there
[22:45] <ratrace> bummer.
[22:45] <drab> sarnold: not much, syslog shows the same error
[22:45] <drab> saying it can't find a suitable module for kernel 4.4.0-15
[22:46] <drab> this has probably something to do with the fact it's a beta2, but I can't figure out what, after all it should still be valid
[22:46] <ShaRose> yeah, kind of sucks to have a webserver that keels over with ~500 clients because it's hitting ulimit issues
[22:46] <drab> since a final release hasn't happened yet
[22:46] <ShaRose> (to be fair, it's only personal image hosting, but...)
[22:46] <ratrace> ShaRose: which service?
[22:46] <ShaRose> service?
[22:46] <ratrace> nginx?
[22:46] <ShaRose> oh, caddy
[22:46] <ShaRose> testing it out
[22:47] <ShaRose> nginx would have the same problems sadly
[22:47] <sarnold> does the caddy initscript set ulimits? e.g. /etc/init.d/nginx has explicit ulimit support..
[22:47] <ShaRose> right now I'm mitigating it by just having cloudflare turned on
[22:47] <sarnold> .. and since it never uses authenication it'll never go through the PAM stack.
[22:48] <ShaRose> actually, atm I'm using monit for it: testing server, so
[22:48] <sarnold> does the monit initscript / upstart config / systemd unit file set ulimits?
[22:48] <ShaRose> (I'm only REALLY avoiding shutting it down for znc tbh, I'm planning on wiping and restarting the entire thing when I get this last thing solved)
[22:49] <ShaRose> no, but it's not just monit that's having the problem, I can log in as a non-root user over ssh and do ulimit -n and get back 1024
[22:49] <ShaRose> in fact even logging in as root doesn't do it, but w/e
[22:49] <ShaRose> problem SEEMS to be that logging in isn't going through pam, so it's not setting limits
[22:50] <sarnold> it depends, sshd can be configured to use pam or to skip pam; by default on debian/ubuntu it's set to use pam
[22:51] <ShaRose> yeah, checked that too, but even then a screen should go around that afaik
[22:59] <ShaRose> ok so I looked through every single control file in pam.d, and unless it was obvious it isn't a user (common-password for example) I added or made sure that session required pam_limits.so was there
[22:59] <ShaRose> and it SEEMS to have worked on my test machine
[23:01] <ShaRose> I suppose let's test on the main one...
[23:06] <ShaRose> Ok, so that's annoying. It seems it still doesn't work, even su.
[23:50] <keithzg> Is it known that the daily builds for Xenial fail on the installation step? I've gotten it reliably a few daily builds in a row now. I see on the QA site that someone tested and had success with Beta 2 apparently, although that ISO isn't even available to download anymore
[23:51] <keithzg> Note that I'm installing trying to use UEFI; gonna test legacy now.


[04:28] <Kilos> good morning za peeps
[04:29] <Kilos> hi user79  welcome to ubuntu-za
[04:29] <Kilos> hi superfly
[04:43] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[04:43] <Tonberry> hi
[05:16] <highvoltage> superfly: congratulations on the Ubuntu membership!
[05:16] <Kilos> lo highvoltage
[05:16] <Kilos> wb
[05:17] <highvoltage> thanks Kilos just dropping in :)
[05:17] <Kilos> its great to see you again :)
[05:20] <magespawn> good morning
[05:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[05:21] <magespawn> well done Kilos and superfly
[05:21] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[05:21] <Kilos> very harrowing experience
[05:25] <magespawn> over and done now though
[05:26] <Kilos> yeah thank heavens
[05:27] <magespawn> now we can make a plan with the africa channel of yours
[05:27] <Kilos> lol its growing by the day
[05:27] <Kilos> 7 official locos there already
[05:30] <Kilos> im already wondering if its possible to create a loco for locos
[05:31] <magespawn> cool beans, sometimes it takes a unusual way of thinking to come up with the really good ideas
[05:31] <magespawn> if you keep this up you might end up on the local council
[05:32] <magespawn> gotta go for a meeting bbl
[05:33] <Kilos> well they saw the plan in my wiki page so who knows
[05:34] <Kilos> oh no i dont wanna go there as well
[05:54] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[05:54] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:43] <32NAA8H4T> More almal
[06:43] <Kilos> oh my
[06:43] <bduk1> Thats better
[06:43] <Kilos> môre bduk1
[06:44] <bduk1> Hoe gaan dit Kilos
[06:44] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy
[06:44] <Kilos> i go take sheep out quick
[06:51] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry
[06:51]  * Jacques_Stry bows, Thank You
[06:51] <Kilos> \i wonder if load shedding is gonna hit me again today
[06:55] <superfly> thanks highvoltage :-)
[06:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:56] <inetpro> Kilos: how does it feel now?
[06:56] <inetpro> wb highvoltage
[06:56] <inetpro> nice to see you in here
[06:57] <inetpro> missed you at the meeting earlier
[06:57] <Kilos> hi inetpro  raywan
[06:57] <Kilos> raywan  welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:58] <Kilos> lol inetpro  didnt get much sleep but otherwise very lekker
[07:02] <Kilos> ai! inetpro  speel jy weer
[07:03] <Kilos> what does a members cloak do?
[07:03] <Kilos> superfly  ^^
[07:03] <Kilos> i was there for other info
[07:03] <raywan> hy guys, dropping in from #nairobilug
[07:03] <raywan> i'm liking the new look of your site
[07:04] <Kilos> cool hey
[07:05] <raywan> curious, what does LoCo stand for
[07:05] <Kilos> local community
[07:05] <raywan> :)
[07:06] <superfly> Kilos: the part in brackets => Kilos (~miles@unaffiliated/kilos) has joined #ubuntu-za
[07:06] <Kilos> but we are all so far apart that local gets stretched some
[07:06] <superfly> that's your cloak
[07:06] <superfly> hi raywan
[07:07] <Kilos> wasnt i cloaked already
[07:07] <superfly> you are, but now your cloak says "ubuntu/member" or something like that
[07:07] <raywan> ~ how many members are you at?
[07:07] <raywan> superfly: hy
[07:08] <Kilos> oh cool ty for that superfly
[07:08] <superfly> Kilos: yours will look something like this: ~Kilos@ubuntu/member/kilos
[07:09] <Kilos> oh cool, ill wait for it to happen
[07:09] <Kilos> raywan  im not sure, somewhere in the 70s i think
[07:12] <Kilos> raywan  do you mean ubuntu-za members or the new channels members
[07:12] <Kilos> #ubuntu-africa
[07:13] <Kilos> that is still a work in progress but 7 official locos have joined so far
[07:15] <raywan> #ubuntu-za,
[07:15] <Kilos> hi hawkiesza  wb
[07:15] <raywan> I didn't know there was a #ubuntu-africa,
[07:15] <Kilos> its 3 days old raywan
[07:15] <Kilos> its part of a pet project
[07:16] <Kilos> we want to link all of africa there
[07:17] <raywan> great idea,
[07:17] <raywan> hm, 'missing' on the teams list (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams) means - not joined yet?
[07:17] <Kilos> im waiting for approval from the irc council to make it an official channel
[07:17] <Kilos> thats right
[07:18] <Kilos> some locos seem to have died out now we want to revive them
[07:21] <raywan> nice,
[07:21] <raywan> Kilos: not sure if there's a LoCo here,
[07:21] <raywan> we have a lug meetup coming up, can ask around
[07:22] <Kilos> not as far as i know but the lug is with us
[07:22] <hawkiesza> Hi Kilos, thanks
[07:23] <Kilos> raywan  you should see stickyboy there
[08:07] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:07] <Kilos> sorry, was so busy i didnt see you join
[08:17] <Squirm> morning
[08:17] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[08:22] <Kilos> Maaz  seen hodgestar
[08:22] <Maaz> Kilos: hodgestar was last seen 2 years, 3 months, 18 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes and 54 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-10-30 09:09:55 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-12-30 06:16:32 PST
[08:22] <Kilos> oh my
[08:27] <Kilos> hi mazal
[08:28] <mazal> Lo oom
[08:33] <inetpro> Kilos: when are you getting your new email address?
[08:33] <Kilos> lol busy looking now
[08:33] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30859/can-anyone-get-an-mynameubuntu-com-email-address
[08:34] <Kilos> i think we need the ubuntu cloak first
[08:35] <Kilos> the fly will do it easier
[08:35] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/FAQ
[08:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:42] <inetpro> Kilos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail
[08:42] <Kilos> ty i go see
[08:44] <inetpro> oh and Kilos, look at the following as well for your cloaking https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Cloaks
[08:45] <Kilos> ty i see <Tm_T> any staff members awake for few cloak requests?
[08:45] <Kilos> so they are busy with it
[08:48] <Kilos> watching #ubuntu-irc and #ubuntu-irc-council
[08:49] <Kilos> so many channels and poor browser doesnt know where to add more tabs
[08:49] <Kilos> hehe
[08:58] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[08:58] <magespawn> ty
[09:13] <Kilos> hi TinuvaMac
[09:13] <TinuvaMac> hi
[09:13] <TinuvaMac> how goes
[09:13] <Kilos> good ty and you
[09:16] <TinuvaMac> no complaints
[09:16] <Kilos> how well do you know macs
[09:17] <TinuvaMac> just just enough to use them
[09:17] <TinuvaMac> google if i need to solve some issue
[09:17] <Kilos> lol
[09:17] <TinuvaMac> why?
[09:17] <TinuvaMac> to be honest, other people have far more issues with their macs than I do
[09:17] <TinuvaMac> mine kinda...just work
[09:17] <Kilos> i was wondering if wiping a drive with a mac will make it refuse to allow other systems to install
[09:18] <TinuvaMac> doubt it
[09:18] <TinuvaMac> x86 macs, like pcs, also uses partitioning schemes on the drive
[09:18] <Kilos> i have a ssd that refuses to let linux install but disk utility shows its fine
[09:18] <TinuvaMac> with the only difference being, different filesystem
[09:19] <Kilos> in some tool i used it poppr error mac os and some other stuff
[09:19] <Kilos> popped
[09:19] <TinuvaMac> probably just need to reset the partitioning scheme
[09:19] <Kilos> i thought maybe mac os put something in the firmware
[09:19] <TinuvaMac> but if it is encrypted, you will need to remove that too
[09:20] <Kilos> ah that might be it
[09:20] <TinuvaMac> why not use the mac disk utility to erase the disk, and use a non-mac filesystem
[09:20] <Kilos> i can use it fine as a plain storage device but when installing ubuntu says it cant mount /root
[09:21] <TinuvaMac> might be something else
[09:21] <Kilos> its not serious, i just thought i was missing something simple
[09:22] <Kilos> im not going to use a ssd till i have a strong ups going
[09:23] <TinuvaMac> for my fileserver at home, im looking into buying a inverter/charge + 2x 102ah batteries, to get it through loadshedding
[09:24] <Kilos> yeah batteries are just expensive
[09:24] <Kilos> i have an inverter
[09:26] <Kilos> used to run a tv for a bit over an hour off a car battery
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> afaik car batteries are not good for that
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need deep cycle batteries, not so?
[09:31] <Kilos> ?
[09:31] <Kilos> the tv worked
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> just because something works doesn't mean its a good idea over the long term
[09:32] <Kilos> i dont know enough about batteries
[09:33] <Kilos> dont even know what a deep cycle battery is
[09:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> well think of how a car battery is used
[09:33] <Kilos> ya drain on start then charge when running
[09:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> its primary function is to start the engine, with the engine running it really isn't needed
[09:34] <Kilos> yes thats rightr
[09:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> so its optimised for a massive load spike and then pretty much no load
[09:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> running an inverter is a lower power load but its more continuous
[09:34] <Kilos> yes that first drain to start turning the engine is very heavy
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> which car batteries (if i understand what I've read) are not very good at over the longer term
[09:35] <Kilos> aha
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> so while it works, you'll find that it isn't good
[09:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> car batteries get very unhappy if they are run flat too much
[09:35] <Kilos> yeah
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> i know this becuase i have killed my fair share of batteries just leaving my lights on too many times
[09:36] <Kilos> lol
[09:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> whereas deep cycle batteries are designed to run continuous loads, and can handle being run flat, or at least near flat, many times
[09:37] <Kilos> aha
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question219.htm
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> I think I pretty much got it right if I read that
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> nice summary
[09:39] <magespawn> yup thats right, deep cycle batteries cost a little more.
[09:41] <Kilos> nice explanation there
[09:41] <Kilos> so mainly the plates are thicker
[09:41] <Kilos> and the price
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> magespawn: do you know a bit about this stuff? who are the guys who supply this stuff?
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be worth looking into with all eskom's issues apparently going to go on for a few years still
[09:42] <magespawn> depends on the size but about R100 - R250 more than the same size car battery
[09:43] <magespawn> most battery places can get them for you
[09:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[09:43] <magespawn> so supa quick, battery centre etc
[09:43] <magespawn> most of the well known brands have deep cycle type batteries
[09:45] <magespawn> i use a 1251 size to run one of the wireless high points, two nanobeam m5, and it usually sees us through the two hours of eskom go slow
[09:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:46] <Kilos> maybe its cheaper to go to a golf course and drive a cart home. then you have a strong battery
[09:46] <Kilos> will last a week or more
[09:46] <Kilos> hehe
[09:52] <Squirm> magespawn: we ran a NanoStation M5 on a 24v Solar Panel with 2 Deep Cycle batteries
[09:52] <Squirm> it had an uptime of about 300 days
[09:52] <Squirm> Before it got hit by lightning
[09:52] <Squirm> :/
[09:52] <Kilos> ouch
[09:52] <magespawn> that does tend to stop things working a bit
[09:53] <Kilos> haha
[09:53] <Squirm> Could have actually been a lot closer to a year uptime
[09:53] <Squirm> It wasn't connected to the grid
[09:53] <Squirm> It was quite cool to see it just.... run
[09:53] <inetpro> Squirm: cost?
[09:53] <magespawn> this is just as back up for power outages
[09:54] <Squirm> inetpro: I can't remember. The solar panels probably were the biggest expense. Can't remember the wattage :/
[09:54] <Kilos> according to my broadband things could get worse
[09:54] <Squirm> Kilos: they probably will
[09:54] <Squirm> This week's power outages were supposedly caused by human error
[09:54] <Kilos> arent they all
[09:55] <Squirm> Kilos: well.. in the greater scheme of things, yes
[09:55] <Kilos> lol
[09:55] <Squirm> I need coffee... Been so busy haven't had a cup today
[09:55] <Kilos> thats why my boet went to dubai
[09:55] <magespawn> exactly
[09:56] <Kilos> got tired of building gennys and having them started without lubrication switched on first
[09:56] <Kilos> Maaz  coffee on
[09:56]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:56] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[09:56] <Maaz> inetpro: Righto
[09:57] <magespawn> Kilos: that is serious repeat business
[09:57] <magespawn> Maaz irish coffee
[09:57] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[09:57] <magespawn> ahh well worth a try
[09:57] <Kilos> yeah and those armatures cost millions each
[09:58] <Kilos> some seized and ripped the whole thing off mountings
[10:00] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[10:04] <Kilos> Maaz  thanks man
[10:04] <Maaz> Kilos It gives me great pleasure to serve a bunch of geeks :-)
[10:04] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[10:04] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[10:05] <Kilos> i really dont want to lose ibids
[10:27] <Kilos> hi drussell
[10:27] <Kilos> we got there fly and i
[10:27] <drussell> Kilos: Hey man, happy Friday!
[10:27] <Kilos> you too
[10:34] <superfly> Kilos: drussell probably doesn't get the context, tell him what happened.
[10:35] <Kilos> hey drussel you losing out man
[10:35] <drussell> lol
[10:35] <Kilos> the fly and i got ubuntu membership after midnight last night
[10:36] <Kilos> and they gave us sjambuks for peeps that stay away from here too long
[10:38] <Kilos> drussell  ^^
[10:38] <Kilos> start shaking
[10:45] <inetpro> does he know what a sjambuk is?
[10:45] <Kilos> he should he is from here
[10:45] <Kilos> and maybe old enough to have felt one work
[10:50] <Kilos> hmm... he is hiding already
[10:52] <inetpro> :-)
[10:52] <Kilos> hehehe
[11:03] <drussell> HAHAHAHA congrats to you both!
[11:04] <Kilos> ty drussell
[11:04] <Kilos> :D
[11:05] <highvoltage> well done Kilos :)
[11:05] <Kilos> ty highvoltage  it was only because of the support from my friends
[11:06] <Kilos> oh you also saw the bit about sjambuks
[11:06] <Kilos> hehe
[11:12] <highvoltage> heh, barely
[12:23] <stickyboy> Nairobi GNU/Linux Users Group blog is now HTTPS-only: https://nairobilug.or.ke :D
[12:23] <stickyboy> superfly: ^^^ that was your influence. :P
[12:24] <superfly> stickyboy: nothing to do with me, I'm afraid!
[12:24] <superfly> that's tumbleweed's fault ;-)
[12:24] <stickyboy> superfly: Ah. :D
[12:24] <stickyboy> tumbleweed: HTTPS FTW.
[12:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:24] <stickyboy> DEPLOY HARD CRYPTO.
[12:25] <stickyboy> break all teh dragnet surveillance.
[12:25] <stickyboy> Hey, on that note, someone needs to update the topic here...
[12:25] <stickyboy> :D
[12:26] <Kilos> stickyboy  whats wrong with our topic?
[12:27] <superfly> Kilos: the website url doesn't say "https"
[12:27] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:28] <stickyboy> Details matter ;)
[12:31] <inetpro> thanks stickyboy
[12:32] <Kilos> hehe
[12:32]  * inetpro likes to agree on that note
[12:32] <Kilos> stickyboy  happy now?
[12:32] <magespawn> inetpro slexy and the logs are't hhtps?
[12:33] <magespawn> s/hhtps/https
[12:33] <Kilos> haha
[12:33] <inetpro> magespawn: it ain't working with the (s)
[12:34] <inetpro> actually irclogs does works with https but
[12:34] <Kilos> inetpro  fix it
[12:35] <inetpro> the certificate belongs to another host
[12:36] <magespawn> oops
[12:36] <inetpro> actually
[12:37] <inetpro> it doesn't take you to the logs at all :-(
[12:38] <Kilos> oh my
[12:40] <Kilos> so superfly  do we need to restart irc clients to see the cloak or is it only visible to others
[12:41] <Kilos> or are they still busy
[12:41] <superfly> Kilos: we'll have to log out and back into freenode
[12:41] <superfly> Kilos: I don't know if anyone has done anything yet
[12:42] <Kilos> ty superfly  i dont know how much work it is
[12:42] <superfly> Kilos: not much, but they might have to contact Freenode staff, so it may take a little while. Keep your eyes on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
[12:42] <Kilos> ty
[12:46] <magespawn> so you guys now get an ubuntu cloak?
[12:47] <Kilos> yeah and an email thingie too
[12:47] <Kilos> but thats confusing because you still use gmail etc it just then goes to ubuntu email somewhere
[12:48] <Kilos> oh superfly  you mean watch by latest members?
[12:49] <Kilos> oh the cheeky thing says im not a member too
[12:49] <superfly> Kilos: it's an alias. That means that you still get e-mail from your gmail, it just forwards mail on
[12:50] <Kilos> what is the reason for having that then please?
[12:50] <Kilos> more security or what
[13:00] <Kilos> just now they kick me out there
[13:23] <Kilos> wbb
[13:26] <Kilos> superfly  restart irc client
[13:26] <Kilos> oh no
[13:26] <Kilos> too tired to think straight now
[13:28] <superfly> gaan slaap. when you wake up everything will be done :-P
[13:28] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:44] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[13:44] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[15:29] <stickyboy> Nairobi GNU/Linux Users Group meeting is tomorrow.
[15:29] <stickyboy> https://twitter.com/nairobilug/status/563719933654097920
[15:29] <stickyboy> Topic: Uniting African LUGs.
[16:21] <Squirm> Hey all
[16:22] <Squirm> superfly: be prepared for tonight
[16:22] <Squirm> But you probably know
[16:22] <Squirm> :/
[16:24] <Kilos> oh no loadshed Squirm
[16:24] <Squirm> Yep
[16:24] <Kilos> im dreading it
[16:24] <Kilos> nothing has gone off here today
[16:33] <superfly> Squirm yep I know
[16:35] <Kilos> what time fly?
[16:58] <Squirm> 8pm
[16:58] <Squirm> We're in the same zone
[16:58] <Kilos> ai!
[16:58] <Squirm> Meh, don't really know what to do for this Valentines day thing that is in a week
[16:59] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Kilos> buy yourself a big box of chocolate
[17:01] <Squirm> Buying myself stuff is easy - Just bought myself an Arduino
[17:01] <Squirm> It's what to buy the girlfriend
[17:01] <Squirm> Or where to take her
[17:04] <Kilos> if you can afford it a bracelet necklace or chain swu
[17:05] <Kilos> Squirm
[17:05] <Squirm> Maybe I'll picnic at Silvermine
[17:05] <Squirm> Kilos
[17:05] <Kilos> something that doesnt disappear in 2 days
[17:06] <Squirm> Oh right
[17:06] <Squirm> Yeah
[17:06] <Kilos> flowers and chocolate are a bit more on the romantic side but something theyll enjoy wearing for years is more logical imo
[17:07] <Kilos> a nice ring also can work
[17:08] <Kilos> and say you wanted to take her out but thast would mean sharing the prescious time you have
[17:08] <Squirm> Would rather get something like that for a birthday though
[17:08] <Squirm> I've decided we're picnic'ing
[17:08] <Kilos> lol
[17:08] <Squirm> so now I'm going to reward myself with Pizza
[17:09] <Squirm> chat in a bit, popping out
[17:34] <Kilos> wbb
[17:41] <Kilos> sis not happy. they must be load shedding where our tv signal comes from so no 7de laan
[17:43] <qwebirc41659> :(
[17:43] <qwebirc41659> at load shedding
[17:43] <qwebirc41659> busy looking for solar lights now, so pricey though
[17:43] <Kilos> yeah
[17:43] <qwebirc41659> ooh, ubuntu phone launched
[17:57] <Squirm> mmmm
[17:57] <Squirm> Pizza
[17:58] <Squirm> Oh dear, laptop is on 57%, supposedly 1.5 hours left on battery
[17:58] <Squirm> :/
[17:58] <Squirm> Bad move Sinjin, should have left it on charge
[17:59] <Kilos> eish
[18:00] <Kilos> you want to borrow my email addy
[18:00] <Kilos> ill get it from inetpro  if you do
[18:00] <Squirm> for?
[18:00] <Kilos> for the things you do
[18:00] <Kilos> msdomdonner
[18:01] <Kilos> lol i wonder how many peeps out of za know what it means
[18:02] <Squirm> i certainly dont
[18:02] <Squirm> and we're out
[18:02] <Squirm> :/
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:04] <Squirm> meh
[18:04] <Squirm> Load Shedding...
[18:07] <Squirm> Closed Chrome, 3 hours on battery
[18:07] <inetpro> damn!!
[18:07] <Squirm> but now Vlc will munch it all
[18:07] <inetpro> laptop kaputt
[18:07] <Kilos> eish
[18:08] <Squirm> inetpro: doubled my battery life my closing chromw
[18:08] <inetpro> hangs on bios boot up, can't even go to the setup
[18:09] <Squirm> :/
[18:12] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[18:12] <magespawn> good evening
[18:15] <magespawn> so whats up Kilos?
[18:16] <Kilos> waiting for ubuntu cloak still and for the moderator to mail my mail to the irc council
[18:17] <Kilos> i forgot to first register with irc mail
[18:17] <Kilos> and non members can mail the council directly
[18:18] <Kilos> cant
[18:18] <Kilos> what a twit
[18:18] <Kilos> blame goosie
[18:26] <Kilos> he forces me at gunpoint to multitask then when i mess up tells me one step at a time
[18:26] <Kilos> hehe
[18:27] <inetpro> looks like my hdd crashed or something
[18:29] <magespawn> you can only one thing at a time, no matter how hard you try
[18:29] <magespawn> ^do
[18:29] <inetpro> when hdd is unplugged it boots, obviously stopping when detecting no os
[18:29] <Kilos> oh my inetpro  where is the os
[18:30] <Kilos> oh
[18:30] <Kilos> so the drive eats a bit of power to bootup
[18:30] <magespawn> does it read/detect the hard drive? you can see it in the bios
[18:30] <Kilos> get a ssd
[18:31] <inetpro> magespawn: I think it hangs before detection of the hdd
[18:31] <inetpro> or before displaying hdd detection
[18:32] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:32] <Kilos> thats sad inetpro
[18:33] <Kilos> did you drop it?
[18:34] <Kilos> now youve spoiled an utterly miserable day
[18:34] <superfly> Squirm: 3.5 hours left here
[18:34] <superfly> but I'm on a netbook
[18:52] <Kilos> wb magespawn  \
[18:52] <magespawn> ty
[18:53] <magespawn> tablet decided it had enough
[18:53] <Kilos> oh my you too
[18:53] <superfly> Kilos: what mail did you send to that list? I don't really want to know, but I probably need to know for later
[18:53] <Kilos> sec let me find it
[18:55] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20o1YSZZC
[18:55] <Kilos> maybe i should resend now that im registered
[18:56] <Kilos> and bypass the moderator guy
[18:56] <superfly> Kilos: why do you need to ask permission to make an IRC channel?
[18:57] <Kilos> to make it an officially recognised channel you need approval
[18:57] <superfly> does it *need* to be officially recognised?
[18:58] <Kilos> yes , i just need to try remeber why
[18:58] <superfly> I was about to ask: why?
[18:58] <Kilos> oh then they supply log bots etc
[18:59] <inetpro> Kilos: I can always work without a harddrive
[18:59] <superfly> if you really need them...
[18:59] <Kilos> and something else
[18:59] <Kilos> well there are going to be meetings superfly
[19:01] <Kilos> and i think to get permission to form a loco that covers such a large area it would be wise to have everything official
[19:01] <Kilos> will be the largest loco i think
[19:01] <magespawn> not really loco, more regional
[19:02] <Kilos> ya it might need to be called something different
[19:02] <Kilos> i think i asked them for alternatives ideas
[19:02] <inetpro> I also don't see why you need to register, but if you really want to there is nothing wrong with asking
[19:03] <Kilos> well inetpro  as stated i think, there are ubuntu users all over , in bits and pieces
[19:03] <Kilos> so
[19:03] <Kilos> this will offer them a fixed centre point to work from
[19:04] <Kilos> like a country with 2 users will struggle to form a loco and maintain it
[19:04] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but as inetpro said, there's no reason why you have to register it or make it official
[19:04] <magespawn> superfly: why would the be teaching delphi in schools?
[19:05] <magespawn> s/the/they
[19:05] <superfly> Kilos: I would suggest getting things up and running, and then if it's all working well, go to the council and ask. Then they can see that there is a need and it's working.
[19:05] <superfly> magespawn: because they are stupid
[19:06] <superfly> magespawn: and they're being bought out by commercial interests
[19:06] <inetpro> it's not even as if canonical owns freenode
[19:06] <superfly> same old same old
[19:06] <Kilos> lemme digest that
[19:06] <inetpro> channels all belong to freenode after all
[19:06] <superfly> raywan: you do know that IRC has an "away" mode?
[19:07] <Kilos> oh superfly  it is up and running but atm is just another channel
[19:07]  * magespawn goes to google a bit
[19:07] <Kilos> members go up to 13 atm and most are single guys from working locos
[19:07] <superfly> magespawn: I've done delphi, it's a great language for Windows-only GUI development.
[19:08] <superfly> magespawn: but the reality is that even Java is better
[19:08] <superfly> magespawn: I would far rather they learn python, which is a much more practical, applicable and easy to learn language
[19:09] <superfly> AND, if you REALLY want to do GUI dev, you can use PyQt4/5
[19:09] <magespawn> it does not look like python comes up, but Java does so that is a bit of a plus
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: that's great. but you don't need Canonical to cast their hand over it. Just do it. Remember, open source is a do-ocracy.
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: it's the people who do stuff that go places
[19:10] <magespawn> Kilos: also if you get enough support on the ground it might offcial recognition anyway
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: what you are doing is relevant no matter who approves it or denies it or whatever
[19:11] <magespawn> +1
[19:11] <Squirm> superfly: heading up Boyes Drive in 30. Want to see all the lights come back
[19:11] <superfly> evening Xethron
[19:11] <superfly> Squirm: haha, nice idea!
[19:12] <Squirm> superfly: yeah, want to take photos
[19:12] <Squirm> before and after
[19:12] <superfly> very cool
[19:12] <Kilos> oh
[19:12] <superfly> mrs_fly would love to do that... bit awkward with the kids though
[19:12] <superfly> (especially since 8pm is their bed time)
[19:13] <Kilos> so how to i get ubuntulog and so on
[19:14] <magespawn> quite clever how they named delphi though
[19:14] <Kilos> i think we need logs
[19:14] <Squirm> superfly: yeah
[19:14] <Squirm> superfly: well... join me tonight, she can go tomorrow night :D
[19:14] <Kilos> there are already 4 ubuntu members there so ill have to convince them too that we dont want to register
[19:15] <Kilos> sigh decisions decisions
[19:15] <Squirm> Kilos: you're doing well
[19:15] <superfly> Squirm: nah, too comfy
[19:15] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[19:15] <Kilos> hard work though especially after a very late night
[19:16] <Squirm> I reckon, if you get a following, then head to Canonical
[19:16] <Squirm> You'll do well
[19:16] <Kilos> lol and then so excited i couldnt sleep anyway
[19:16] <Squirm> Haha
[19:16] <superfly> Squirm: no need to do any convincing, just get on and do stuff
[19:16] <Squirm> ok
[19:16] <superfly> ag, not Squirm, Kilos
[19:16] <Squirm> don't know how all the approving and such works
[19:17] <Kilos> superfly  2 of the members were there for support last night
[19:18] <Kilos> superfly  i dont want to do it all myself. everyone there must do his bit
[19:19] <Kilos> and stickyboy  is taking it to nairobilugs next meet
[19:19] <Kilos> there are a few ubuntu users there too
[19:20] <magespawn> Kilos you thinking to add other ways to communicate? website? mailing list?
[19:20] <Kilos> some of them have websites
[19:20] <Kilos> and of course mailing lists
[19:22] <superfly> Kilos: if you register a team on Launchpad, you can make a mailing list for the team, did you know that?
[19:23] <Kilos> no i havent read a 1/4 of all the documentation out there, my poor browser is groaning
[19:23] <Kilos> 13+ tabs open all the time
[19:23]  * inetpro never too old to learn anything
[19:23] <inetpro> superfly: I didn't even know that
[19:24] <Kilos> ok now even more important
[19:24] <Kilos> ibid
[19:24] <Squirm> That's cool
[19:24] <Squirm> I know Google Groups also is that
[19:24] <Kilos> will ibid run on other linux systems
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: you worry too much
[19:25] <Squirm> It's python right?
[19:25] <Squirm> If it's python, then any linux machine with python
[19:25] <Kilos> if i can get one of them to host QA then we are made as far as meetings go
[19:25] <Kilos> and the pro can come chair
[19:25] <inetpro> no
[19:26] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:26] <Squirm> Haha
[19:26] <Kilos> rofl
[19:26] <Squirm> I'll chat to you all later
[19:26] <Kilos> whew i needed that laugh
[19:26] <inetpro> Squirm: enjoy!
[19:26] <Kilos> cheers Squirm
[19:26] <Kilos> yeah enjoy
[19:27] <Kilos> im a lucky man to have such wonderful friends
[19:27] <Kilos> worth the headache
[19:28] <Squirm> I will do
[19:28]  * Squirm prods nuvolari
[19:28] <Squirm> Hurry
[19:28] <Kilos> Squirm  hit him for me please
[19:28] <Squirm> I will
[19:28] <Kilos> not too hard though
[19:29] <Kilos> tell him he is chairing within the next 2 weeks
[19:29] <Squirm> He's a busy man these days
[19:29] <Squirm> Kilos: just drop him a memo ^^
[19:29] <Kilos> no man i cant hit him if he says no
[19:29] <Squirm> Because I know I'll probably forget
[19:30] <Kilos> chairing on #ubuntu-africa
[19:30] <Squirm> Ok, chat in a bit folks
[19:30] <Kilos> cool
[19:35] <inetpro> superfly: so is the cloaking triggered?
[19:35] <superfly> inetpro: i haven't a clue
[19:35] <inetpro> hmm.. no indication of when it will be done?
[19:35] <superfly> nope
[19:35] <inetpro> did you ask?
[19:35] <superfly> nope
[19:36] <inetpro> ai!
[19:36] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <inetpro> I mean with freenode it's literally a matter of minutes
[19:37] <Kilos> ya takes longer to ask for it than to get it
[19:41] <Kilos> i go crash now guys. have a good night
[19:41] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[19:41] <inetpro> Latest members
[19:41] <inetpro>     Raoul Snyman
[19:41] <inetpro>     miles.sharpe
[19:41] <inetpro> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers
[19:41] <Kilos> oh my
[19:41] <inetpro> at least something has happened already
[19:41] <Kilos> yay
[19:42] <inetpro> but you do not yet appear here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+members
[19:42] <inetpro> at least not what I can see
[19:44] <inetpro> ahh... names are on the list as well
[19:44] <inetpro> but sorting by date sucks
[19:44] <inetpro> miles.sharpe 	21 hours ago 	2017-02-04 	Approved
[19:44] <Kilos> ya raoul snyman is there man
[19:44] <inetpro> Raoul Snyman 	21 hours ago 	2017-02-04 	Approved
[19:45] <Kilos> you need to go to last then back
[19:45] <inetpro> ahh... on expires yes
[19:45] <Kilos> 376-450
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: you're the odd one out again
[19:46] <Kilos> ya the name is yuck with a . in
[19:46] <inetpro> sorting by expired doesn't show you
[19:46] <Kilos> i didnt know how to makes things back then
[19:46] <Kilos> or now
[19:47] <superfly> Kilos: you can edit your name
[19:47] <superfly> find the little yellow ! icon
[19:47] <Kilos> oh how
[19:48] <superfly> https://launchpad.net/~msdomdonner/+edit
[19:48] <Kilos> 301-375 inetpro
[19:51] <Kilos> ai
[19:51] <Kilos> Changing your name will change your public OpenID identifier. This means that you might be locked out of certain sites where you used it, or that somebody could create a new profile with the same name and log in as you on these third-party sites.
[19:52] <Kilos> what do i do now. ive changed it
[19:53] <superfly> power's back on
[19:53] <Kilos> yay
[19:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[19:56] <Kilos> yay thats fixed
[19:56] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[19:57] <Kilos> ty superfly
[19:58] <Kilos> so now its just the cloaks right
[19:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> my highlight isn't working because of http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/1336 :-/
[19:59] <Kilos> ai!
[20:01] <stickyboy> w00t
[20:01] <Kilos> h stickyboy
[20:01] <Kilos> hi as well
[20:01] <Kilos> what has you so excited
[20:02] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: why are you connecting through a bouncer?
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i can catch up on missed conversations :)
[20:48] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: the idea behind Quassel is that you host the core somewhere, and it acts as a bouncer
[20:48] <superfly> why not do that?
[20:58] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:59] <inetpro> hmm, interesting concept to connect quassel to the bouncer
[21:01] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I agree with superfly, why not do it the right way and just install the proper quassel-core?
[21:13] <magespawn> good night all
[21:19]  * stickyboy uses ZNC for his BNC.
[21:19] <stickyboy> Then I connect with irssi. :D
[22:00] <Squirm> evening
[22:01] <stickyboy> Squirm: Hola
[22:03] <Squirm> hey stickyboy
[22:10] <Neo31> hey stickyboy
[22:10] <Neo31> :)
[22:10] <Neo31> how r u today ? :)
[22:10] <Neo31> yo superfly :)
[22:10] <superfly> hey Neo31
[22:10] <stickyboy> Neo31: I'm good.
[22:10] <Neo31> good
[22:10] <Neo31> :)
[22:10] <superfly> I'm heading to bed...
[22:10] <Neo31> superfly, last
[22:11] <Neo31> lol
[22:11] <stickyboy> We've been hacking on the Nairobi LUG blog for a few hours.
[22:11] <Neo31> ok
[22:11] <Neo31> just to explain what i wanted to say last night superfly
[22:11] <stickyboy> Lots of code going on GitHub right nowwwwwww.
[22:11] <superfly> Neo31: sure
[22:11] <Neo31> i wanted to know if you have made a gui for python using QML
[22:11] <Neo31> that is through qt of course (correct me if i'm wrong)
[22:12] <superfly> what do you mean "for python"? have I made a GUI written in Python and using Qt/QML?
[22:12] <Neo31> cool stickyboy :)
[22:12] <Neo31> a backend code in python with frontend gui with qt/qml
[22:12] <superfly> in GUI apps there is no such thing as "backend" or "frontend"
[22:13] <Neo31> yeah, i mean the gui
[22:13] <Neo31> the view
[22:13] <Neo31> not the controlelr and logic behind it
[22:13] <superfly> I have not written a GUI app using QML, but I do know PyQt4 fairly well
[22:13] <Neo31> i need to make a qml interface for a python code
[22:13] <Neo31> have u tried pyqt5 ?
[22:14] <superfly> Neo31: stop thinking of it as an interface
[22:14] <superfly> they are all one big clump
[22:14] <Neo31> few months ago it didn't work good enough out of the box
[22:14] <Neo31> yep
[22:14] <superfly> nothing ever works "good enough" out of the box
[22:14] <Neo31> hhh
[22:15] <Neo31> ok, things might be better now, i'll give it a try and tell u if i need some help with that :)
[22:15] <superfly> I've played with PyQt5. It worked for what I needed
[22:15] <Neo31> good superfly
[22:15] <Neo31> i'll get back to u if i need some help with that then :)
[22:15] <superfly> alright
[22:15] <Neo31> thx
[22:15] <superfly> Good night everyone.
[22:15] <Neo31> good night superfly