[01:21] <godstar> Ive been at this for several hours. Anyone care to help me install Ubuntu on a ARM device?
[09:33] <cooloney> rsalveti: need i connect the beagle to HDMI display to login the board?
[09:34] <rsalveti> cooloney: not actually, only serial is enough
[09:34] <cooloney> rsalveti: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/466351/
[09:35] <rsalveti> cooloney: just a moment, going there
[09:35] <cooloney> rsalveti: i looks to me it hangs there
[09:35] <cooloney> *it looks
[09:37] <lag_> sebjan: ping
[09:37] <sebjan> lag_: pong
[09:45] <lag_> Hey sebjan
[09:45] <lag_> Do you deal with XM?
[09:46] <sebjan> lag_: hi Lee, no I haven't yet. Someday maybe?
[09:46] <lag_> So who's problem is it?
[09:46] <ogra> lag_, go to #beagle and talk to koen, he should have working kernels
[09:47] <lag_> ogra: Who's koen? Is he with us?
[09:47] <ogra> he wors for TI and is the big beagle master
[09:47] <ogra> he is also angstrom upstream
[09:47] <ogra> *works
[09:47] <lag_> Nice one, thanks
[09:52] <hrw> ;)
[09:53] <hrw> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/ will give you 2.6.32 for BB
[09:54] <ogra> hrw, who is intrested in .32 nowadays :)
[09:54] <ogra> we dotn wnat spiderwebs and dust on our kernels :)
[09:55] <amitk> ogra: that is state of the art in angstrom land ;)
[09:55] <ogra> yeah
[09:55] <ogra> thats why the ship a duster with the images, right ?
[09:55] <hrw> that's what TI used internally
[09:56] <amitk> but yeah koen is a nice dude to know related to beagle issue, lag.
[09:56] <ogra> well, we need patches for the maverick tree
[09:56] <ogra> not for hardy ;)
[09:57] <hrw> there are few more people on #beagle with XMs
[09:58] <hrw> so maybe instead of waiting for _koen_ to appear better ask for XM kernel patches
[09:59] <ogra> or look at rcn-ee's trees ;)
[09:59] <ogra> since his binaries seem to work fine
[09:59] <ogra> *and* are up to date
[10:00] <hrw> https://code.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6.35-dev
[10:00] <hrw> you mean that?
[10:19] <cwillu_at_work> hrw, yep
[10:19] <cwillu_at_work> binaries are available as well
[10:19] <cwillu_at_work> http://rcn-ee.net/deb/
[10:21] <rsalveti> cooloney: your sd card reader is here, if you want to take it back :-)
[10:21] <cwillu_at_work> incidently:  rcn-ee, I've got patches to allow the re-use of the kernel tree, so you don't end up rechecking out (even from a local copy) multiple times, and which ends up making for far quicker compiles if possible
[10:22] <cwillu_at_work> to build_deb and company
[10:23] <cooloney> rsalveti: yeah, thx for reminding.
[10:24] <cooloney> rsalveti: but i failed to see any oops
[10:25] <rsalveti> cooloney: with your kernel?
[10:26] <rsalveti> cooloney: I remember that your kernel is installed on the sd card
[10:26] <rsalveti> you can try the 501, like I did yesterday
[10:26] <rsalveti> then you can try to reproduce the issue
[10:26] <rsalveti> because it'll use the musb as module and load it as needed
[10:31] <cooloney> rsalveti: ok, i understand.
[10:34] <cooloney> rsalveti: $ ls
[10:34] <cooloney> boot-35.scr  boot.scr  uImage  uImage.35  uImage-lucid  uInitrd  uInitrd.35  uInitrd-lucid
[10:34] <cooloney> i got these files
[10:35] <rsalveti> cooloney: probably if you just copy uI*-lucid for uI* it should run the 501 by default
[10:35] <cooloney> rsalveti: ok, thx
[10:35] <rsalveti> I remember I created these files to test 501
[10:45] <cooloney> rsalveti: pls take a look at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/466386/
[10:45] <cooloney> rsalveti: i tried copy over uI*-lucid and uI*.35
[10:45] <cooloney> rsalveti: and got that issue
[10:46] <rsalveti> cooloney: just a sec
[10:46] <cooloney> rsalveti: np
[10:50] <lag> cooloney: mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n initramfs -d ./initrd.img-* ./uInitrd
[10:53] <ogra> lag, careful with wildcards ;)
[10:54] <ogra> you might have more than 1 ./initrd.img-* in that dir
[11:08] <cooloney> robclark: hdmi error: Failed to set PHY power mode to 0
[11:10] <ogra> cooloney, buy a better monitor
[11:13] <NCommander> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/466397/
[11:13] <cooloney> ogra: i love my viewsonic at home
[11:14]  * ogra is hapy with the samesung he has
[11:16] <hrw> ogra: cheap chinese samsung fake clone?
[11:18] <robclark> cooloney: hmm, ok, I get that 'PHY power mode' on my board too (but still monitor works)..
[11:19] <cooloney> robclark: oh, weird. need i bring my board for you ?
[11:19] <robclark> cooloney: we can if you want...  I'm just installing meld to more easily diff the two dmesg txt files to see if I can spot some relevant difference
[11:20] <cooloney> robclark: yeah, i use meld heavily
[11:39] <cooloney> rsalveti: if you can help to test Maverick on beagle for that OTG bug, it will be very helpful
[11:40] <rsalveti> cooloney: yep, I'm just installing maverick, going to take a while but I believe it'll be ready for today ;-)
[11:40] <cooloney> since i just checked th patches for musb driver, .34 lucid kernel missed lots of patches from current upstream
[11:40] <cooloney> but those patches are in Maverick .35 kernel now. i think
[11:41] <rsalveti> cooloney: yep, also noticed that
[11:41] <cooloney> rsalveti: awesome, man, thx
[11:41] <rsalveti> np
[11:41] <robclark> cooloney: fwiw, your monitor is working now..  after letting it sit for a while
[11:41] <cooloney> robclark: really.
[11:41] <robclark> I do see some different bits set in one of the hdmi irq status registers with your board...
[11:41] <robclark> I'm trying to find what they mean.. maybe give some hint about the issue
[11:58] <ogra> rsalveti, lp:~jasper-initramfs
[12:33] <ogra> lag_, http://gitorious.org/beagleboard-validation/linux/commits/beagleboardXM
[12:34] <ogra> or rather http://gitorious.org/beagleboard-validation/linux
[12:34] <rcn-ee> hey ogra, was reading #beagle, your guy's xm doesn't boot?
[12:34] <ogra> rcn-ee, it boots but shows some opses
[12:34] <ogra> rcn-ee, the worse part is that USB and the NIC dont work
[12:34] <rcn-ee> there's one oops for me.. the usart3 (i think there's a patch for that on l-o) but nic and usb work for me..
[12:35] <ogra> the oopses seem harmless (trying to probe uart3 and failing because it doesnt exist)
[12:35] <rcn-ee> but i also have the half memory version.. (you guys might have the 512Mb)
[12:35] <lag_> Hi rcn-ee
[12:35] <rcn-ee> hi lag_
[12:35] <lag_> We've been waiting for you :)
[12:35] <ogra> rcn-ee, well, we're using a pretty plain 2.6.35 mainline
[12:35] <ogra> rcn-ee, so i suspect we miss some extra patches
[12:36] <rcn-ee> yeap me too.. here's what you need: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/2.6.35-devel/files/head:/patches/xm/
[12:36] <rcn-ee> (most borrowed from sakoman)
[12:36] <ogra> lag_, ^^^
[12:36] <ogra> :)
[12:36] <rcn-ee> the xm-dvi-ehci will fix the ehci..
[12:37] <lag_> I see :)
[12:37] <lag_> Do I need all 4 patches?
[12:38] <ogra> they seem to make sense
[12:38] <rcn-ee> yeah, all four.. most are just macro's which will be upstream eventually anayways..
[12:38] <ogra> and dont look like they could cause regressions
[12:39] <rcn-ee> nope, not for me atleast, same kernel is booting fine with no regressions on my bx's, cx's, xm, overo, igepv_2..
[12:40] <ogra> cool
[12:40]  * ogra needs to try the new gumstix board h just got
[12:41] <ogra> though i guess the plain beagle MLO/u-boot wont work on it
[12:41] <rcn-ee> actually.. if you've bumped to 1.44ss and 2010-03 xm rev A support is included.. ;)
[12:41] <ogra> lag_, btw, your panda install is done, want me to bring you the SD ?
[12:42] <ogra> rcn-ee, yeah, XM is, we tested that already, (i'm still using 2010-03-rc though)
[12:42] <lag_> If you'd be so kind
[12:42] <ogra> i just got one of the 512M gustix though
[12:43] <lag_> Well I'll apply and try to get them pushed into our kernel
[12:43] <rcn-ee> yeap, that one is fine.. 2010-03-rc was the first.. btw keep an eye on sakomon's tree, there might be some memory tweaks for the xm (512Mb revision)..
[12:43] <ogra> great, i will
[12:46] <rcn-ee> btw, one thing odd about the xm's onboard lan, it comes up as a usbX device, which if you also have the gadget driver loaded it might confuse users (since that's usbx too) i've though about tweaking it to a normal 'ethX'...
[12:50] <ogra> ah, seems its the same HW as the panda has
[12:51] <ogra> panda alo has a usb0
[12:51] <ogra> *also
[12:51] <rcn-ee> yeap the lan95xx, usb/eth hub..
[12:51] <rcn-ee> or wait, doesn't the panda have the smsc...
[12:51] <ogra> yeah
[12:52] <ogra> with a good bunch of issues still
[12:52] <rcn-ee> i just got my booting.. ;) no usb yet for me...
[12:52] <ogra> your panda ?
[12:53] <rcn-ee> yeap... ;)
[12:54] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-preinstalled/20100720.2/
[12:54] <ogra> grab the omap4.img.gz :)
[12:54] <rcn-ee> will do and give you some results
[12:55] <ogra> just dd it to an SD and boot (you need monitor, kbd, mouse attached)
[12:55] <ogra> (after gunzipping indeed)
[12:56] <rcn-ee> i haven't posted much on #pandaboard, but have you guys forwared ported the u-boot patches to some less ancient?
[12:56] <ogra> no, linaro is working on such stuff
[12:56] <ogra> but thats will likely still take a while
[12:57] <ogra> i just took the panda branch from gitorious and made some changes to the defaults
[12:57] <ogra> (hush shell, script support and loading boot.scr by default form first mmc partition if it exists there)
[13:00] <rcn-ee> i was kinda hoping for one kernel, but it doesn't look yet like you can share a non smp target with an smp one in arm yet.. (or my compiler is too old 4.3.1)
[13:02] <tmzt> because of how cores are initialized?
[13:03] <ogra> rcn-ee, there is work going on towards a unified oma kernel
[13:03] <ogra> *omap
[13:03] <ogra> but that will also still take a while
[13:03] <ogra> will probably hit the streets together with a unified u-boot version ;)
[13:03] <NCommander> rcn-ee: also, very few devices are SMP ARM (panda is the only board I've seen with a multicore chip)
[13:04] <ogra> there will be more soon
[13:04] <ogra> isnt the tegra also SMP ?
[13:04] <NCommander> ogra: um, possibly?
[13:04] <NCommander> no idea
[13:04] <ogra> i think its A9 dual core
[13:13] <lag_> rcn-ee: Hi
[13:14] <rcn-ee> hi lag_
[13:16] <rcn-ee> yeap the tegra is dual core...  otherwise it's still early for dual arm devices, the omap35/36 really didn't take off til a year after the beagle..
[13:16] <lag_> rcn-ee: Would you mind sending me a working kernel binary please? With USB and Eth working?
[13:16] <lag_> I would like to test it before my kernel compiles
[13:16] <rcn-ee> so maybe a year after the panda is released we will see some omap4 devices..
[13:16] <lag_> If it's not to much trouble
[13:16] <rcn-ee> sure lag_ lucid or maverick?
[13:16] <ogra> mavrick
[13:16] <ogra> +e
[13:16] <lag_> You have Lucid working on XM too?
[13:17] <rcn-ee> 2.6.34 or 2.6.35.. (of course.. ;) )
[13:17] <ogra> .35
[13:17] <lag_> ogra: You have a big nose ;)
[13:17] <ogra> haha
[13:17] <rcn-ee> lag_, http://rcn-ee.net/deb/maverick/v2.6.35-rc5-dl6/linux-image-2.6.35-rc5-dl6_1.0maverick_armel.deb
[13:18] <rcn-ee> just don't use a zippy2 on that, it's missing a patch that's in dl7
[13:18] <lag_> So you downloaded our kernel, applied those 4 patches and everything sprung to life?
[13:18] <lag_> I don't even know what zippy is
[13:18] <rcn-ee> actually it's my own mainline +patches blend... config's are very similar..
[13:18] <hrw> rcn-ee: so far Ubuntu/Linaro people use plain BB - no extensions
[13:18] <lag_> He was a children's TV character when I was a kid :)
[13:18] <cwillu_at_work> I wuv my rcn-ee
[13:19] <hrw> I suppose that I am the only one in Linaro/Ubuntu team who has BB expansion board
[13:19] <rsalveti> I got one zippy 2 here, but doesn't work by default, still have to apply some patches
[13:19] <rsalveti> mainly on rcn-ee tree, that got from angstrom
[13:19] <cwillu_at_work> rsalveti, zippy2's ethernet will leak memory without a patch
[13:19] <rsalveti> cwillu_at_work: what patch?
[13:19] <cwillu_at_work> a 2 needed to be a 4
[13:19] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee has it
[13:20] <rsalveti> oh, ok, I see it
[13:20] <cwillu_at_work> otherwise it'll leak about 2k every second or two while an ethernet cable is connected
[13:20] <lag_> That's the patch that ogra gave me and said it will make USB work, lol!
[13:20] <rcn-ee> yeap, and the beagle is building maverick's dl7 right now.. it's just no uploaded.. yet..
[13:20] <cwillu_at_work> slabtop -s s -> size-2048 will get into the 20,000 alloated range, and then everything will stop working :)
[13:20] <ogra> lag_, i guessed :)
[13:20] <lag_> :D
[13:20] <cwillu_at_work> if you really need a binary with the patch in a hurry, I can send it to you
[13:21] <ogra> we rather need a working ubuntu kernel :)
[13:21] <rsalveti> yep :-)
[13:21] <cwillu_at_work> ... with btrfs compiled in :p
[13:21] <hrw> ogra: binary which works can be used to test does lag's XM is working at all
[13:21] <cwillu_at_work> none of this initramfs nonesense
[13:21] <cwillu_at_work> -e
[13:22] <rcn-ee> cwillu_at_work, noticed there was more btrfs patches last night.. hopefully it gets in 2.6.35-rc6..
[13:22] <ogra> hrw, well, we will just grab yours if lag_'s doesnt work :P
[13:22] <cwillu_at_work> oh, there's going to be lots of btrfs patches for the foreseeable future
[13:23] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, if you really wanted to be my friend, you'd pull btrfs directly from git in patch.sh :)
[13:23] <rcn-ee> is it just usb/dss2 that's not working on the xm, those 4 from me will take care of it..
[13:23] <hrw> ogra: mine? hah
[13:23] <ogra> indeed yours :)
[13:24] <rcn-ee> i thought about it... ;) since my builders will be free again in a couple hours..
[13:25] <cwillu_at_work> also, did you want to look at the changes I made to build_deb.sh to make it re-use the build environment?
[13:26] <rcn-ee> sure, cwillu_at_work i'd take a look at those tweaks..
[13:28] <cwillu_at_work> http://pastebin.com/rkgRsXnH
[13:28] <cooloney> rsalveti: if the OTG port works, it is supposed to support a USB mouse connected with the USB mini connector you gave to me, right?
[13:28] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, patch isn't terribly clean, as your indentation is atrocious :p
[13:28] <rsalveti> cooloney: without a powered hub, don't know
[13:29] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, so what we do is...
[13:29] <cooloney> rsalveti: i tried powered hub, the usb mouse doesn't work
[13:29] <rsalveti> cooloney: I'll just test with maverick, rebooting...
[13:29] <cooloney> rsalveti: cool
[13:29] <rsalveti> cooloney: with 501?
[13:30] <cooloney> rsalveti: with 501, if the oops shows up, the musb driver does not work at all
[13:30] <cooloney> so the usb mouse won't work
[13:30] <rsalveti> cooloney: yeah, only works when you don't get the oops
[13:30] <cooloney> i never see the oops is gone with 501 kernel
[13:30] <cwillu_at_work> never delete KERNEL, and only clone it if it doesn't exist already.  Then, before checking out a given version, we reset the working copy (which doesn't delete the partial files, so compilation will be quicker if appropriate), and then delete whichever branch we're about to create if necessary
[13:30] <rsalveti> sometimes it does work
[13:30] <rcn-ee> cool cwillu_at_work yeah the patch looks pretty clean and get what your doing.....  yeah it's indentation sucks big time, (damn editor)..
[13:31] <cooloney> rsalveti: i still think we need to build in the modules and config the port as OTG
[13:31] <cwillu_at_work> what editor are you using?
[13:31] <cooloney> rsalveti: currently, we just config it as host
[13:31] <cooloney> not OTG
[13:31] <rcn-ee> gedit and my left pinky... so it's mostly me to blaim.. ;)
[13:31] <cwillu_at_work> gedit isn't that bad Lo
[13:31] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[13:31] <cwillu_at_work> I do have some sanity plugins for it though
[13:32] <cwillu_at_work> (hippy text completion, incremental search improvements, an interesting take on code folding (which is a bit crashy), automatic session save and restore, etc
[13:34] <cwillu_at_work> (the code folding hide everything except for lines containing the word under the cursor, or the selected text, or the currently searched-for text
[13:34] <tmzt> folding?
[13:34] <cwillu_at_work> hides, rather
[13:35] <tmzt> oh, not like msvs
[13:35] <cwillu_at_work> tmzt, that's traditional code folding
[13:35] <cwillu_at_work> which I never had much use for
[13:41] <rsalveti> cooloney: oh, ok
[13:42] <rcn-ee> it's scary some questions people ask for their thesis work.. ;)
[13:51] <cwillu_at_work> I think I hate quilt
[13:52] <hrw> quilt is nice
[13:52] <cwillu_at_work> yes, but how the hell do you set it up the first time?
[13:52] <cwillu_at_work> it's not putting patches into debian/patches, and quilt setup doesn't have any place to say where I want them
[13:57] <hrw> QUILT_PATCHES=$PWD/debian/patches ?
[13:57] <hrw> and xport it
[14:00] <persia> There's a lovely little .quitrc in /usr/share/doc/quilt that automates that bit.
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> so a quilt'ed source package still requires a random environmen...
[14:00] <cwillu_at_work> it'd be nice if that was documented in dpkg-source :p
[14:00] <hrw> cwillu_at_work: do I force you to use quilt? patch is easy to use...
[14:01] <cwillu_at_work> hrw, I need an old inkscape version compiled for arm, and although there's no patch or series set up, it's complaining
[14:01]  * cwillu_at_work continues grumbling
[14:02] <cwillu_at_work> but if I understand correctly, a quilt'd source package doesn't actually work with quilt until you've set that environment variable?
[14:03] <hrw> I assume "dpkg-source -x package.dsc; cd package-*;debuild -b"
[14:04] <cwillu_at_work> dpkg-buildpackage you mean? :p
[14:04] <hrw> prefer debuild as it keeps build log for me
[14:05] <hrw> unless I need to pass env vars which debuild clears
[14:05] <cwillu_at_work> and you should be able to quilt new <patch>; quilt edit <file>; dpkg-buildpackage, and not have to quilt pop -f?
[14:06] <cwillu_at_work> was complaining about the patch (that it just made) not unapplying cleanly
[14:06] <cwillu_at_work> which is inane, but probably my fault
[14:07] <cwillu_at_work> grumble?
[14:13] <ogra> cwillu_at_work, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems
[14:13] <cooloney> rsalveti: i boot once without the oops and usb mouse + usb hub + external power works.
[14:13] <rsalveti> cooloney: yeah, that happens sometimes
[14:17] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: do you know why you're applying the fifo-mode patch for musb?
[14:18] <rsalveti> changing the fifo mode
[14:25] <cwillu_at_work> ogra, thanks;  it looks like the source of my grief is that the source package was slightly malformed
[14:41] <cooloney> rsalveti: i am building a kernel which enable the debug in musb otg driver
[14:41] <rsalveti> cooloney: ok
[14:41] <rsalveti> that can help
[14:55] <lag> hrw: Are you still about?
[14:56] <hrw> lag: Chopin/Linaro room
[14:58] <lag> hrw: My hardware is plugged in :)
[14:58] <hrw> few minutes ok?
[14:59] <hrw> lag: sakoman_ is present in #pandaboard
[15:00] <lag> I saw
[17:56] <hrw> re
[18:57] <rcn-ee> rsalveti, errata.. the omap34/omap35 musb memory is actually 4kb not 8kb which is what fifo=4 is setup for.. bug check: transfer 2GB from two high speed devices on the musb bus (harddrive, eth) and run md5sum, they'll mismatch..  last i heard the musb guys were going to apply the fifo based on board-device.c
[18:58] <rcn-ee> but right now it isn't a per device setting and just a global one..
[18:58] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: oh, ok, makes sense now
[18:58] <rsalveti> cool, thanks
[18:58] <rcn-ee> we ran into more often in the bx days.. but with good ehci ports no one notices it any more.. ;)
[18:59] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: I'm also looking at the micrel and zippy patches, do you know if any of those are proposed upstream already?
[18:59] <rsalveti> or you're just basically maintaining at your patch tree
[18:59] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: nice to know, going to test it here
[18:59] <rcn-ee> they are atleast from micrel, but the netdev maintainers keep shooting them down.. ;)
[18:59] <rsalveti> trying to make the otg port to work with default ubuntu kernel
[19:00] <rsalveti> don't know why it's not working correctly
[19:00] <rcn-ee> i just keep forward porting and testing them on my self (since we sell zippy boards at digikey)
[19:00] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: haha, ok :-)
[19:00] <rcn-ee> i still think it's a config issue. take a look at my defconfig, i'm running bx's with usb hardrives on the musb port...
[19:01] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: yep, that's what I'm checking now
[19:01] <rsalveti> just installed your latest kernel and it worked fine
[19:03] <rcn-ee> good to hear, i try to keep it pretty in sync with ubuntu's config options just to keep me 'sane'... but main things i'm currently working on dspbridge and panda integration in the same kernel..
[19:04] <hrw> igep suxx
[19:04] <rsalveti> hrw: why? :-)
[19:04] <rcn-ee> yeah why, it's slightly faster then my C4 board at gcc bootstrap? ;)
[19:05] <hrw> the one which steve brought has something with mmc - but some of you already know that
[19:09] <armin76> hrw: i can talk bad about a beagle which hanged from time to time :)
[19:09] <hrw> armin76: beagle or beagleboard?
[19:09] <armin76> beagleboard
[19:10] <armin76> is there a beagle?
[19:11] <hrw> there was
[19:11] <hrw> few years ago netherlands company had a linuxpda with that name
[19:11] <hrw> never got to the market but was shown in few places and was supported in openembedded
[19:12] <rcn-ee> rsalveti, one note on the micrel patches too..  Wireing up with the buddy= variable most of that came from Koen, it works quite well for detecting the zippy1/2 boards on boot and loading the correct drivers.  I'm working with someone too add an 'lcd' module and will use a simlar setup..
[19:12] <rcn-ee> none of that is upstream, so who knows if it'll be excepted..
[19:13] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: yep, also just noticed that
[19:13] <rsalveti> first time I get a zippy on my hands
[19:13] <rcn-ee> it makes a prety big mess of beagle.c file. ;)
[19:13] <rsalveti> zippy2
[19:13] <rsalveti> :-)
[19:13] <rcn-ee> they are actually 100% identical except the eth spi device..
[19:14] <rsalveti> yep, but you need the correct id in order to load the correct driver
[19:14] <hrw> [   42.668029] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.0: Failed to get debounce clock
[19:14] <hrw> [   42.781280] mmci-omap-hs mmci-omap-hs.1: Failed to get debounce clock
[19:14] <rcn-ee> yeap, and the first big shipment of zippy2's we got in march? had the zippy1 setting on the i2c bus. ;)
[19:15] <rcn-ee> it's simple to reprogram, but it's faq #1 on them..
[19:15] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: hehe, mine also seems to be with the wrong id
[19:15] <rsalveti> yep
[19:15] <ssvb> hrw: but at least it is probably not igepv2 design defect, but just one broken board? unlike USB on beagleboards older than rev C4...
[19:16] <rcn-ee> till you reprogram it, just force buddy=zippy2 in your boot.scr
[19:16] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: do I need any jumper to disable the write protection?
[19:17] <hrw> ssvb: yep
[19:17] <rcn-ee> yeap.. (crap i need one at home)
[19:17] <hrw> ssvb: my c3 bb works quite good with extra capacitor added
[19:19]  * cwillu perks up
[19:20] <rcn-ee> cwillu, your patch works good, defintelly speeds it up. now i can't get my coffee. ;)
[19:21] <cwillu> :)
[19:21] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: hm, jp 1
[19:22] <cwillu> ya, I was actually shocked how much faster the system was even shortly after a reboot
[19:22] <rsalveti> needs to find a jumper around
[19:22] <cwillu> rsalveti, yes
[19:22] <cwillu> I just use an alligator clip
[19:22] <rcn-ee> steal it from one of the freescale boards, they always have extras.. ;)
[19:22] <rsalveti> yeah, will try to find something to connect the pins :-)
[19:22] <rsalveti> oh, good idea :-)
[19:22] <cwillu> rcn-ee, my rootstock image programs x-load/u-boot to nand, updates the eeprom if it hasn't been already, and a few other odds and ends automatically :)
[19:23] <cwillu> I can go from source to a burned sd card, and then booting a beagle and programming the zippy and such under 30 minutes :)
[19:23] <cwillu> it's been a good week :)
[19:23] <rcn-ee> yeah, i think it would be a good idea to put up a eeprom script for new zippy2 owners..
[19:24] <cwillu> sec, let me grab it
[19:24] <cwillu> it's a single upstart job
[19:24] <rsalveti> it'd help a lot, for sure
[19:24] <cwillu> it'll try each boot until it succeeds
[19:24] <rcn-ee> that might be overkill..  if your zippy2 is detected as a zippy1 run this script
[19:25] <cwillu> rsalveti, rcn-ee, fixups.conf
[19:25] <cwillu> fixups.conf
[19:25] <cwillu> ...
[19:25] <cwillu> http://pastebin.com/FjyjvdSN
[19:25] <cwillu> middle click wasn't working :p
[19:26] <cwillu> that's basically all the upstart script is anyway
[19:26] <hrw> ok, one hour passed - igep goes back to the box
[19:26]  * hrw -> movie
[19:27] <rcn-ee> yeap that script looks good and will do it..
[19:27] <cwillu> rcn-ee, there was a cool looking auto-edid patch that I want to experiment when I get back too
[19:27] <cwillu> i.e., detecting monitor resolution at boot
[19:27] <cwillu> here's a question:  how long does it usually take rootstock to run?
[19:28] <rcn-ee> that would be very useful, i've thought of it a couple times, the drm layers has all the good edid stuff nowdays..
[19:28] <rcn-ee> it locks up for me in 25 minutes (maverick alpha-2+) at ldconfig or somethign
[19:28] <cwillu> heh
[19:28] <cwillu> you guys are still on a full qemu vm?
[19:29] <rcn-ee> that one yes.. otherwise 3-4hours on my beagle..
[19:29] <cwillu> I really should figure out who needs which patches :)
[19:29] <cwillu> rcn-ee, I have a finished image in 21 minutes
[19:29] <rsalveti> cwillu: I'll try to change it to use full vm just for user
[19:29] <rsalveti> as root you can easily do most of the steps on user mode emulation
[19:29] <rcn-ee> i still tar it up, which kills the poor beagle..
[19:29] <rsalveti> as you're doing it already
[19:29] <cwillu> yep
[19:29] <rsalveti> just have to find some time during this week
[19:30] <rsalveti> will also try to push the native rootstock stuff
[19:30] <rsalveti> to run it at an arm board
[19:30] <cwillu> I'm just outputting a tarball;  I have separate mkcard script which actually writes the image / creates an image file if desired
[19:30] <rcn-ee> btw, just resynced my rootstock on arm patch on top of rootstrock trunk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/image-builder/annotate/head:/patches/native-arm.diff
[19:30] <cwillu> I'm going to be out of town till friday, but then I'm hoping to take some time off
[19:31] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: nice, will take a look at it later
[19:31] <lapada> hi, my keyboard  and mouse drivers are not loading so i can not operate, can any one please tell me what could be the issue..?
[19:31] <rsalveti> I'm at prague, so most of the time we're just discussing and debugging stuff, hard to find time for real coding
[19:31] <rcn-ee> i haven't tested it yet, that node has been building kernels, but it's a forward port of my previous stuff.
[19:31] <cwillu> lapada, 2.6.35 kernel?
[19:32] <cwillu> lapada, you're missing a patch, and you actually don't have _anything_ that uses modules
[19:32] <lapada> dont know
[19:32] <cwillu> lapada, easiest answer would be to drop back to 2.6.34, or to use the very latest rcn kernel
[19:32] <cwillu> or it might be something else entirely :p
[19:32] <lapada> it is from the image of ubuntu site
[19:32] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: yep, just changed the config file and the musb is now working beautifully
[19:32] <lapada> lucid 10.0.4
[19:32] <cwillu> ah, no idea then :p
[19:33] <rcn-ee> rsalveti, good to here.
[19:33] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: but will probably have the fifo bug, will also test that later
[19:34] <lapada> I am following this procedure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetbookInstall
[19:34] <rcn-ee> rsalveti, for the fifo bug you can use this for justification.. http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-omap/msg29025.html
[19:34] <lapada> but when in installer screen no keyboard nor mouse responds
[19:35] <rcn-ee> actually this one is the original. (it was tweaked in that last post) http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg25777.html
[19:35] <cwillu> lapada, what version of the beagle?
[19:35] <cwillu> and which usb port are you using?
[19:35] <lapada> rev c4
[19:35] <cwillu> and the ehci port (the big one) or musb (the small one next to the power cable)
[19:35] <cwillu> ?
[19:35] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: nice, thanks a lot
[19:36] <lapada> the big one
[19:36] <rcn-ee> yeap no problem, personally fought that bug for a good 3-4 months.. (i think i was the first to run big harddrives and ethernet adapters on the original bx's)
[19:36] <lapada> with a hub connected
[19:38] <cwillu> not sure, sorry
[19:39] <rcn-ee> lapada, is it a powered usb2.0 hub? does it help if you unplug and replug?
[19:39] <rsalveti> hm, hungry, will try to get something to eat around and will be back soon
[19:39] <cwillu> sleepy, back in a few days :p
[19:39] <lapada> it is not a powered hub, but the power source of beagleboard can handle
[19:40] <lapada> and besides already used the same hub with android distribution
[19:40] <rcn-ee> ehh.. lapada back in the 2.6.29 days which is what most android for beagle uses, it kinda worked...  but wasn't suppost to..  i'd really get a powerd hub...
[19:42] <lapada> ok, I think I can get one
[19:42] <lapada> but, any other idea if the problem isnt the hub?
[22:14] <lapada> one little doubt
[22:34] <lapada> after installing ubuntu lucid on beagleboard, after complete 100%, I get just a purple screen, after waiting a while I removed the sd card and booted the bb, but no ubuntu at all!!!!!!!!
[22:35] <lapada> I receive the message:       ERROR: can't get kernel image!
[22:35] <lapada> what should I do?
[22:36] <rsalveti> lapada: how did you actually install it?
[22:38] <lapada> form the ubuntu site I used the ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img
[22:39] <hrw> netbook image on normal beagleboard? insane
[22:39] <lapada> used the image writer to write to the sd card
[22:40] <lapada> boot the beagleboard with the sd card and complete the installation of ubuntu 10.0.4
[22:40] <lapada> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle
[22:41] <lapada> the problem is I completed the installation, till finish 100%
[22:42] <rsalveti> hm, didn't try lucid myself but GrueMaster tested a lot, for sure
[22:42] <lapada> but when restarting beagleboard it says https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle
[22:42] <lapada> ops
[22:42] <lapada> but when restarting beagleboard it says ERROR: can't get kernel image!
[22:43] <rsalveti> it should just put the uImage and uInitrd on nand, set the boot.scr and reboot it
[22:43] <rsalveti> lapada: when do you get this error, at the bootloader?
[22:43] <lapada> yes
[22:43] <rsalveti> it could be that your uboot is not reading the boot.scr, for some reason
[22:44] <rsalveti> lapada: can you paste the full uboot log for me?
[22:44] <lapada> I will try
[22:44] <rsalveti> hrw: I'm testing maverick on a c4 and it's working quite well actually
[22:44] <rsalveti> lots of bugs still, but getting better
[22:44] <rsalveti> bootchart is installed by default, so the boot is slower than it should
[22:46] <lapada>     NAND read: device 0 offset 0x280000, size 0x400000                                4194304 bytes read: OK                                                          Wrong Image Format for bootm command                                             ERROR: can't get kernel image!
[22:47] <lapada> the ubuntu is installed in the usb pen drive
[22:47] <rsalveti> try to get at the bootloader (just press any button while booting) and run the following commands:
[22:47] <rsalveti> mmc init
[22:48] <rsalveti> fatload mmc 0 0x82000000 boot.scr
[22:48] <rsalveti> source 0x82000000
[22:51] <lapada> ubuntu is booting
[22:51] <lapada> but I guess it is the installer..
[22:52] <lapada> yep, the installer again
[22:52] <lapada> isn't booting by
[22:53] <lapada> isn't booting by usb
[22:53] <rsalveti> lapada: just remove your sd card, see if it works
[22:53] <rsalveti> if you installed it at the usb, than it should boot fine
[22:54] <lapada> but it is NOT!!!!
[22:56] <lapada> No MMC card found
[22:56] <lapada> Booting from nand ...
[22:56] <lapada> NAND read: device 0 offset 0x280000, size 0x400000
[22:56] <lapada>  4194304 bytes read: OK
[22:57] <lapada> Wrong Image Format for bootm command
[22:57] <lapada> thats it
[22:57] <lapada> ERROR: can't get kernel image!
[22:58] <rsalveti> it seems that your uboot env is loading the script as it should, and if when loading it, for some reason it's probably setting the root partition to /dev/mmcblk0p2 instead of the usb one
[22:58] <rsalveti> *is not
[22:58] <rsalveti> I should get some sleep :-)
[22:59] <lapada> it makes sense
[22:59] <lapada> how can I change this?
[23:00] <lapada> pls dont sleep
[23:00] <rsalveti> lapada: to change the uboot env you just need to set up the correct arguments, or flashing/updating it to have the default behavior
[23:00] <rsalveti> now to change the boot.scr you'd need access to the nand partition
[23:01] <rsalveti> you can try to set up the bootargs by hand and try to booting the rootfs from your usb
[23:01] <rsalveti> and after booting it, you can mount the nand partition and fix the boot.scr by hand
[23:02] <rsalveti> fatload mmc 0:1 0x80000000 uImage
[23:02] <rsalveti> fatload mmc 0:1 0x81600000 uInitrd
[23:02] <rsalveti> setenv bootargs  ro elevator=noop vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 root=/dev/sda1 fixrtc console=ttyS2,115200n8
[23:02] <rsalveti> bootm 0x80000000 0x81600000
[23:03] <rsalveti> lapada: try this after pressing some button and getting into the uboot command line
[23:06] <lapada> i'm back
 I should get some sleep :-)
[23:06] <pcacjr_> i'm sure you should
[23:06] <lapada> waaaaaaaait
[23:06] <lapada> I was disconnected
[23:07] <lapada> can you send those commands again
[23:07] <lapada> fatload...
[23:07] <pcacjr_> fatload mmc 0:1 0x80000000 uImage
[23:07] <pcacjr_> atload mmc 0:1 0x81600000 uInitrd
[23:07] <pcacjr_>  setenv bootargs  ro elevator=noop vram=12M omapfb.mode=dvi:1280x720MR-16@60 root=/dev/sda1 fixrtc console=ttyS2,115200n8
[23:07] <pcacjr_> bootm 0x80000000 0x81600000
[23:07] <pcacjr_> enjoy
[23:08] <rsalveti> yep, but actually this should try to load from the first sd partition, and not nand
[23:08] <rsalveti> for lucid the kernel should be in nand, just maverick that gets it installed at the sd card
[23:09] <pcacjr_> rsalveti, then he should change to the proper partition
[23:09] <rsalveti> argh, need to get this boot.scr from lucid
[23:10] <pcacjr_> would it be /dev/mmcblk0px ?
[23:10] <rsalveti> pcacjr_: this is for the sd, on linux
[23:10] <rsalveti> but he first needs to load the uImage and uInitrd from nand, put it on memory, setup the correct arguments and load the images
[23:10]  * pcacjr_ nods
[23:10] <rsalveti> so he can actually boot the board
[23:10] <pcacjr_> i see
[23:11] <lapada> probably
[23:11] <pcacjr_> so would he have the rootfs on eMMC ?
[23:12] <rsalveti> let me check the flash-kernel package from lucid
[23:12] <rsalveti> pcacjr: on usb
[23:12] <lapada> and now I go sleep
[23:12] <lapada> thanks all
[23:13] <pcacjr_> lapada, cya
[23:13] <pcacjr_> rsalveti, ok


[01:38] <bazhang> on topic seems to mean : I have something to rant about (add the word Ubuntu in there)
[02:13] <bazhang> * [BB0t] (~bbot@<IP_ADDRESS>): BBot the IRC Bot - aj00200.org
[02:14] <bazhang> * [aj00200] (aj00200@bbot/developer/aj00200): aj00200    seems to be his
[02:17] <rww> sorted
 why does it have moodswings
[03:03] <bazhang> math is moody
[03:05] <bazhang> mathematica has a CLI mode?
[03:13] <bazhang> debian backports to solve the rtl8192U issue in an ubuntuforums post? augh
[06:47] <bazhang> troll detected
[06:51] <bazhang> Singham, hi
[06:51] <Singham> hello.. :)
[06:52] <bazhang> Singham, something you need help with?
[06:52] <Singham> bazhang : I want to become a channel operator of ubuntu..
[06:53] <rww> Singham: ubottu gave you info on that the other day, right?
[06:53] <Singham> yes....
[06:53] <rww> did you follow the steps it discussed?
[06:53] <Singham> Have created account in launchpad and also registered my nicname..
[06:54] <Singham> but some steps arent understood by me..
[06:55] <rww> Which ones?
[06:56] <Singham> what is Code of Conduct and Leadership Code of Conduct ?
[06:57] <bazhang> !coc
[06:57] <bazhang> Singham, ^
[06:57] <rww> Singham: Two documents linked at the top of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorRequirements , which the bot gave you ;)
[06:58] <elky> is it not linked to in the page he was given to read to?
[07:06] <Singham> bazhang rww elky : Thanks for support...Will try my best to fulfil the requirements...  :)
[07:06] <bazhang> ok
[07:09] <Myrtti> Singham: anything else we can help you with?
[07:11] <Singham> Myrtti : Thanks for aksing dude.No help required yet..If required will ask you myself.  :)
[07:12] <Myrtti> great, see you then!
 : Thanks n bye..!
[07:14] <elky> Singham, it's customary to be aware of the topic of channels you're in when you're using IRC. Have you read the topic of this one?
[07:16] <Singham> elky : Ok..
[07:17] <elky> I believe he understood it.
[09:21] <Singham> Hi..i have problem in signing the Code of Conduct.I have read the instructions as on site but one thing is missing in my computer.please help..
[09:23] <Singham> Myrtti : Please help me..
[09:24] <Myrtti> well... first of all, you need to learn how to ask for help
[09:24] <Myrtti> because "one thing is missing in my computer" doesn't give us anything to start with
[09:24] <Myrtti> then secondly, if the long term aim is to become an op, you really need to start paying attention to what happens on the channels
[09:26] <Myrtti> I don't know what channels you aim to be an op on eventually, but I'm not impressed by your conduct on #ubuntu
[09:27] <Singham> Myrtti : I am sorry for that act.But I really didnt had the intention to hurt anyone.
[09:29] <Singham> BY the way I am having problem importing OpenPGP fingerprint on my LaunchPad account.
[09:29] <Singham> Will you help ?
[09:31] <Myrtti> I don't know if the instructions have changed since I signed the CoC, but when I did, the instructions were quite straightforward to follow
[09:32] <elky> Myrtti, they've improved since we did that dance I believe.
[09:33] <elky> Singham, you open the public key file and paste it into the big box it gives you that tells you to paste the contents of your public key file into it.
[09:35] <elky> Hmm the default editgpgkeys screen doesn't say that anymore. It says to paste the fingerprint of the key. You will see that with gpg --list-keys iirc
[09:36] <Singham> elky : gpg: error reading key: public key not found
[09:36] <elky> That's because you didn't push it up to a server.
[09:36] <elky> go back to the instructions and find the bits that tell you how to do that.
[09:38] <elky> what are you using to do this? the command line or a gui?
[09:38] <Singham> In "My Personal Keys" tab The key which I have has PrivatePGP key..Whereas on the site it's written OpenPGP key..
[09:39] <Singham> what to do elky ?
[09:40] <elky> they are the same thing
[09:42] <Singham> OK..
[09:42] <elky> in a terminal, type: gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com <replace this with your key id>
[09:46] <elky> If you need this much help from us, sadly you're not going to have the skills to be an operator yet. You have lots and lots of learning to do.
[09:47] <Singham> elky :http://paste.ubuntu.com/686745/
[09:47] <elky> not the fingerprint, the key id.
[09:47] <elky> mine looks like CFBECCB9
[09:50] <elky> Singham, it's the last 2 bits of the fingerprint without a space between the two bits.
[09:54] <Singham> elky : Done..
[09:54] <Singham> Now should I paste the fingerprint on the launchpad site ?
[09:54] <elky> what's done?
[09:55] <Singham> Thanks bro....the job is done.. :)
[09:56] <elky> if it's pushed up to the server, wait a few minutes and paste the fingerprint again and it should link you to it
[10:01] <Singham> elky : Yes it worked.. :)
[10:07] <Myrtti> Singham: anything else we can help you with?
[10:07] <elky> Ok, then if that's resolved, I'll remind you that this is neither a support channel or a place to hang out.
[10:08] <Singham> elky : Yes..I have read the topic..Thanks. .  :)
[10:09] <Singham> Myritti : Thanks for asking...will join this channel if need any help..Bye.. :)
[10:10] <Singham> elky : BYe..
[10:59] <elky> what the beejeebus is gredeu on about?
[11:01] <oCean> he's been like that for a couple of days now.
[11:01] <elky> he appears to be tryign to troll the linux.com thing
[11:01] <oCean> I wonder if it's a known-troll-with-a-new-name
[11:01] <elky> almost certainly
[11:05] <elky> Nobody puts "freenode" as their realname and "identd" as their ident without being a troll.
[12:05] <oCean> * asdfsdfdfsdf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:05] <oCean> hmmm...
[12:07] <asdfsdfdfsdf> hello want to complain
[12:08] <asdfsdfdfsdf>  <uoou> I think you may be being a little silly
[12:08] <oCean> asdfsdfdfsdf: you know better that to behave like that in our channels
[12:09] <asdfsdfdfsdf> lars
[12:09] <oCean> we know
[12:09] <oCean> *sigh*
[12:11] <elky> is he evading?
[12:12] <oCean> technically no, I think
[12:12] <elky> answer: yes.
[12:12] <oCean> oh
[12:13] <elky><EMAIL_ADDRESS>by rww
[13:58] <pazamquat> looking for shell but I reckon wrong channel lol sorry
[14:21] <Gredeu> coc
[14:21] <Myrtti> WHA?
[14:22] <oCean> uh
[14:22] <IdleOne> troll
[14:27] <bazhang> pidgin does email?
[14:29] <IdleOne> probably has some plugin
[15:04] <Myrtti> suddenly, the idea of banning *!*jesus@* feels like a good idea
[15:05] <Myrtti> [18:03] < Guest17987> ola ai putillas a domicilio??
[15:59] <Pricey> Myrtti: Bah I remember people complaining about that a while ago because its a common forname in various parts of the world.
[15:59] <Myrtti> I know
[16:00] <Myrtti> it was trying to be some kind of a joke
[16:00] <Pricey> I who-fu fails me.
[16:00] <Pricey> *my
[16:00] <Pricey> ah
[16:00] <Pricey> Also, hey Myrtti :-)
[16:00] <Myrtti> :-)
[16:10] <rww> naming suggestions for a factoid about "how to get GNOME UI on Oneiric+ that isn't Unity" plz
[16:12] <ikonia> rww: !normise-gnome
[16:13] <ikonia> !normalise-onceiric
[16:13] <ikonia> !unbreak-oneiric
[16:13] <rww> preferably suggestions that aren't biased :P
[16:14] <rww> I guess !notunity wouldn't be too bad
[16:14] <IdleOne> Gnunity
[16:14] <IdleOne> Gnounity
[16:15] <rww> will throw it on -#ubuntu+1 for now, we can move it when release happens
[16:15] <Myrtti> !!unity
[16:15] <Myrtti> ah.
[16:17] <ikonia> gnomeoneiric?
[16:18] <rww> !notunity-#ubuntu+1 is <reply> To use GNOME Shell on Oneiric, install the "gnome-shell" package and investigate "gnome-tweak-tool". For GNOME Fallback mode, which is similar to GNOME 2, install "gnome-panel". Both packages will place a new entry in the Sessions dropdown on the login window.
[16:36] <mneptok> rww: new factoid already used.
[16:36]  * mneptok bows deeply
[16:36] <rww> \o/
[17:39] <IdleOne> !botsnack
[17:39] <IdleOne> she deserves it
[17:40]  * Myrtti strokes ubottu's hair
[17:40] <Myrtti> we lubs you
[17:50] <mneptok> one hot summer night, lorraine said "now it's time for you to see the lighthouse," which was out on montok point. located at the end of a long, rocky peninsula, the lighthouse was set dramatically against the night sky. a beam of light circled around it. and the early morning fog was rolling in.
[17:51] <mneptok> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIPhxU0vZh0
[17:52]  * mneptok makes whooshing noises
[17:57] <IdleOne> little too umtss umtss for me
[17:57] <IdleOne> but not bad
[18:01] <mneptok> you can hear more William Orbit by calling Canonical support and being placed on hold. ;)
[18:01]  * mneptok 's small contribution
[18:01] <IdleOne> ha
[18:02] <IdleOne> odd that I listened to the entire song
[18:02] <Flannel> IdleOne: You really wanted that support, eh?
[18:03] <IdleOne> I don't call them when I need something, just drive over.
[20:15] <oCean> qmr does not like our channel's guidelines
 you get your panties in a twist over a WORD?
[20:21] <Flannel> rww: I've got him in query too
[20:21] <rww> k
[20:22] <oCean> enough of him
[20:22] <oCean> Told him next was a ban
[20:22] <oCean> had him in pm also
[20:23] <rww> Going afk for the rest of the evening. Best keep an eye on HappyNineEleven, I'm pretty sure they're attempting to cause disruption with their nick without actually violating guidelines themselves.
[20:38] <Flannel> So, I've asked him to change his nick, he's dragging his feet somewhat.
[20:39] <oCean> he's asking in #u for a cloak
[20:39] <oCean> err
[20:39] <oCean> #freenode
[20:39] <Myrtti> I hope that's not his account name...
[20:40] <Flannel> He hasn't registered an account yet.  But I don't see how a cloak would make any difference.
[20:41] <Flannel> He pulled the "I thought freenode had freedom of speech" card, so I explained to him that regardless of freenode policy, Ubuntu channels have a policy of showing respect and being considerate.
[20:41] <Flannel> been quiet for a while
[20:42] <mneptok> (s)he has freedom of speech
[20:43] <mneptok> (s)he can choose whatever nick (s)he wants. we have freedoms, too. freedom to disallow that nick from participating.
[20:43] <Flannel> mhmm.
[20:44] <mneptok> everyone is free to be as anti-semitic as John Galliano. just be prepared to deal with the consequences.
[20:59] <Flannel> We'll see how long this lasts.
[20:59] <Flannel> (He's now GenericNickname)
[21:32] <Gredeu> coc
[21:38] <rww> By rest of the evening I mean, "until I run out of work to do because I'm waiting on someone else doing stuff that was due THURSDAY"
[21:38]  * rww PMs Gredeu
[21:39] <bazhang> thought sensors was removed in the latest
[21:42] <rww> Gredeu appears to have left the building :<
[21:42] <Myrtti> if you ever find out what he is aiming at, please tell
[21:43] <bazhang> he accuses everyone of being rude to him, even when just simply replying in any way shape or form
[21:44] <Myrtti> I don't see what triggered him then tho
[21:44] <bazhang> looks like he wants webscale for that
[21:45] <bazhang> that nick is awfully close to something else though
[21:45] <rww> !away > jelatta_away
[21:45] <rww> indeed
[21:45] <rww> don't see that hostname asking any questions, either
 how do I keyboard
[21:46] <bazhang> dual trolling #debian
[21:47] <rww> b&, then
[21:48] <mneptok> too r&y
[22:40] <Flannel> HappyNineEleven could've been HuegWeev, as I see from a lastlog.
[22:57] <rww> Flannel: given activity elsewhere, it wouldn't surprise me
[23:00] <Myrtti> nini peeps
 no uploading virus to you
[23:54] <bazhang> bizarro


[00:54] <mhall119> dgroos: we don't talk about the 28th
[03:33] <sbalneav> dgroos: <nervously> No, I.. I.. don't KNOW anything about the 28th!!! I was home all that day!  With a cold!
[03:49] <dgroos> You think it has something to do with... 2012?
[03:50] <dgroos> yea, and do you have internet access... AT YOUR HOUSE????
[03:50] <dgroos> g'night :)
[14:33] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:36] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav!
[14:36] <sbalneav> So, is it this week the elections are held?
[14:36] <highvoltage> sbalneav: stgraber pinged Lns to create his wiki page
[14:36] <highvoltage> sbalneav: that's the only outstanding query the CC has
[14:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: in the meantime we should just go on and do stuff and not let it get in the way too much, we pretty much know who's going to be in the EC anyway judging by the amount of nominees :)
[14:38] <highvoltage> sbalneav: we just won't have an EC meeting in the next 7-14 days or so


[15:04] <cdn> Hi
[20:09] <ngduo> is there anyone on here now?
[20:09] <ngduo> Can someone direct me to what room I should be in for newbie help for ubuntu, just downloaded it and can't seem to find my way to help I am having trouble installing drivers
[20:10] <doctormo> I'm here
[20:10] <ngduo> wow
[20:10] <ngduo>  i was ignored completely in 2 other rooms
[20:10] <doctormo> The best room to go to is #ubuntu
[20:10] <ngduo> how do I get to it I looked on that monster list
[20:11] <ngduo> can I type it in somewhere
[20:11] <doctormo> Can you plick on it with the mouse?
[20:11] <doctormo> ngduo: I'm messaged you rpivately, can you see it?
[21:11] <cprofitt> ngduo, you can also go to #ubuntu-beginners-help
[21:11] <cprofitt> not as crazy as #ubuntu
[21:20] <doctormo> cprofitt: Hey there
[21:20] <cprofitt> hey doctormo
[21:32] <doctormo> cprofitt: God what a week, too busy to even think. How is NY?
[21:55] <cprofitt> NY is ok... I am busy... sorry for not responding
[21:55] <cprofitt> wife's b-day
[22:09] <oligo> alias
[22:10] <oligo> oops, forgot the / char :s


[00:23] <ikt> head_victim: did the planet update fix the main page?
[00:23] <ikt> the last 4 blog posts added to the front page of ubuntu.org.au seem to still be from a long time ago
[00:23] <head_victim> What was wrong with the main page?
[00:25] <head_victim> I just don't think anyone has added content since then
[00:25] <head_victim> Oh the planet block on the front page, that's never really worked as far as I can tell as the cron job isn't running.
[00:26] <head_victim> But that should be fixed with the drupal upgrade that should go live soon
[00:26] <sagaci> christmas is soon too :P
[00:47] <ikt> oh sweet
[00:49] <ikt> http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/mkwf2/why_do_humans_procrastinate_and_how_can_it_be_beat/
[00:49] <ikt> People overestimate the value of the reward if the reward is imminent, and increasingly discount the value of the reward, the further away it is in time. In other words, your perceived utility of an outcome increases with temporal proximity.
[00:49] <ikt> damn brain
[01:36] <sagaci> less than 19,000 to go, thus 95%+ done, thus less than 5% to go
[02:03] <sagaci> wiki.ubuntu.com down?
[02:04] <sagaci> ah no, maybe not
[02:39] <sagaci> less than 18,000 to go
[02:55] <ikt> nice :D
[03:38] <sagaci> we're so close
[03:38] <sagaci> jaddi27: got some spare time today?
[04:32] <sagaci> less than 17,000 to go
[07:24] <sagaci> jaddi27: head_victim, if you use firefox for translations, it won't check for single line strings, so if you go into about:config, then chang layout.spellcheckDefault to 2, it'll check them
[07:25] <sagaci> thanks to #firefox for that
[07:26] <sagaci> s/chang/change
[07:44] <head_victim> sagaci: yep I found that a while ago, sorry, I thought I'd passed that one on
[07:45] <sagaci> it's only in firefox, which I only use on one computer, so it hasn't been an issue until this weekend
[08:07] <sagaci> under 16,000
[08:50] <sagaci> under 15,000 and less than 4% to go
[08:50] <gorilla> wow!
[08:59] <sagaci> whenever the stats are fixed, it'll drop by about 10k
[09:01] <gorilla> heh
[09:03] <sagaci> should be finishing it a bit before my expect goal, which was mid January
[09:03] <head_victim> At this rate you'll be finished tomorrow, early afternoon ;)
[09:04] <sagaci> but I need sleep :)
[09:46] <sagaci> under 14,000
[11:16] <sagaci> head_victim: ping
[11:58] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[12:37] <sagaci> head_victim: still up?
[13:12] <head_victim> sagaci: about to disappear
[13:12] <sagaci> righteo then, no worries
[13:12] <head_victim> If I'm gone just shoot me a PM or email
[22:31] <sagaci> less than 13,000


[07:49] <nuvolari> whoop! got myself a RC heli :D
[07:49] <nuvolari> (starter)
[07:50] <froztbyte> \o/
[07:50] <froztbyte> don't crash it until you know where to find spares
[07:50] <nuvolari> froztbyte: heh, ya, I made sure it's not a piece-of-mud heli
[07:51] <nuvolari> http://nineeagle.com/
[07:53] <nuvolari> I have http://nineeagle.com/product_view.asp?pid=35
[07:54] <froztbyte> I bumped into http://www.cobratoys.com/Mini_RC_Helicopters_s/3.htm the other day
[07:54] <froztbyte> looks fairly similar
[07:55] <froztbyte> does yours have only short blade extension mountings, with the blades then mounted there on a circular mounting that allows them to turn outwards from the mounting?
[07:57] <nuvolari> froztbyte: nope
[07:57] <froztbyte> I quite like the design
[07:57] <nuvolari> this is really just an into heli :P nothing fancy
[07:57] <froztbyte> means you don't have nearly as high a chance of screwing up your blades
[07:58] <froztbyte> I have one of http://www.silverlit-flyingclub.com/xufo.htm
[07:59] <nuvolari> blank page?
[07:59] <nuvolari> content is blank
[07:59] <froztbyte> ja, looks like a dead plugin
[08:00] <froztbyte> click on Body Design
[08:00] <nuvolari> :D wow! that looks cool
[08:01] <froztbyte> pain in the frikken arse to learn to fly when I first got it
[08:01] <froztbyte> flying it outside is ... entertaining
[08:01] <nuvolari> lol
[08:01] <nuvolari> I can imagine
[08:02] <froztbyte> it's extremely susceptible to changing wind, so it took me quite some time to learn how to handle currents like that
[08:02] <froztbyte> but yeah, flying stuff ftw :D
[08:02] <nuvolari> froztbyte: how much did it cost?
[08:02] <froztbyte> there's also the Parrot drone
[08:02] <froztbyte> nuvolari: back when I bought it, about R1.3k, I think
[08:03] <nuvolari> not bad
[08:03] <nuvolari> oh oh! I need to find this link
[08:03] <nuvolari> hang on
[08:07] <nuvolari> froztbyte: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/12/kinect-powered.php
[08:14] <froztbyte> yar, I saw mention of that somewhere
[08:14] <froztbyte> maybe from hackaday linkage
[08:20] <nuvolari> Maaz: convert 800ZAR to USD
[08:20] <Maaz> nuvolari: 800 ZAR = 115.2 USD
[08:49] <nuvolari> whoop!
[08:49] <nuvolari> my skills are still to be improved
[08:49] <nuvolari> but it's going OK
[08:49] <nuvolari> :/ now the long wait... for the batteries to recharge :P
[09:57] <nuvolari> :> think it's the best present I have ever bought for myself!
[10:00] <Kilos> afternoon all of ya
[10:03] <nuvolari> hallo oom Kilos! :>
[10:03] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed met oom?
[10:03] <Kilos> hi nuvolari  gaan dit goed
[10:03] <Kilos> goed hier dankie
[10:03] <Kilos> net dom weer
[10:04] <nuvolari> goed hier ook dankie oom
[10:04] <nuvolari> eh?
[10:04] <nuvolari> ja dis warm hier
[10:04] <Kilos> lol
[10:04] <nuvolari> verskriklik
[10:04] <Kilos> ek wil maverick kopie op n ander cd en weet niw hoe nie
[10:05] <drubin> nuvolari: /me is jelly
[10:05] <Kilos> warm hier ook vandag
[10:05] <Kilos> hi drubin
[10:05]  * Kilos likes jelly
[10:06] <drubin> and windy!
[10:07] <nuvolari> maybe I should go sit outside
[10:07] <nuvolari> :P
[10:10] <nuvolari> drubin: lol why would you be jelly? melting?
[10:18] <nuvolari> holy bleep!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4e8zjS_mnk
[10:18] <nuvolari> this is awesome :D
[10:18] <nuvolari> trompoppies se moses, they do it with their fingers
[10:19] <nuvolari> wonder if it's edited video or the real thing
[10:23] <drubin> nuvolari: Jealous.
[10:24] <nuvolari> drubin: oh lol
[10:24] <nuvolari> if you weren't that far I'd buy you one :P
[10:27] <drubin> ;)
[13:14] <nuvolari> froztbyte: http://h1072147.hobbyshopnow.com/ProdInfo/Files/EFLH1400-HI.wmv :O this is serious chopping! I'll be there in like... infinity-1
[13:15] <nuvolari> (8Mb video)
[14:46] <nlsthzn> hi all
[16:09] <nuvolari> lo nlsthzn
[16:22] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: Hi again :D
[18:46] <nuvolari> greaaaat. :( think this means new batteries
[18:58] <nlsthzn> nuvolari: wireless mouse dying?
[19:06] <nlsthzn> was really... early day tomorrow... laterz


[21:22] <screenshot> Hi all, is the screenshot-server back online? Quickshot still halts at 'downloading list'
[21:24] <godbyk> screenshot: I wasn't aware that it was offline.  Which version of Quickshot are you using? For which manual branch (lucid-e1, lucid-e2, or maverick)?
[21:25] <godbyk> The original Quickshot uses this server: http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/
[21:25] <godbyk> The development version of Quickshot uses a different server, I think.
[21:25] <screenshot> I'm using a cd image for lucid I burned for e1
[21:26] <screenshot> "Using http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/ for network operations"
[21:27] <screenshot> ^output from running quickshot from command line
[21:28] <godbyk> Is that all the output?  That's not terribly helpful.
[21:28] <godbyk> Let me see if there's anything useful in the server logs.
[21:29] <godbyk> Ah, something is broken on the server.
[21:29] <godbyk> Give me a moment and I'll see if I can get it fixed.
[21:29] <screenshot> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520344/
[21:29] <screenshot> sure
[21:39] <godbyk> screenshot: I switched to a newer version of python, but apparently didn't compile in one of the modules that I needed to.
[21:42] <screenshot> godbyk: does that mean I need to update quickshot here?
[21:43] <godbyk> screenshot: No, it's a problem on the server end of things.
[21:49] <screenshot> Is that easy to fix or does it take a while?
[21:52] <godbyk> screenshot: It might take a while. I'm working on it now. It looks like I may need to recompile python.
[21:52] <godbyk> Could you give it another shot real quick though?
[21:52] <godbyk> (Just so I can see the errors here.)
[21:52] <screenshot> sure
[21:53] <godbyk> perfect. thanks!
[21:53] <godbyk> okay, I'll poke around on this.
[21:53] <godbyk> what's your normal irc nick?
[21:53] <godbyk> I can ping you or email you if I get it running.
[21:54] <screenshot> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520355/


[02:51] <viewer|32> Hello
[02:52] <viewer|32> Can someone tell me what is the difference between Kubuntu 20.04 and 20.04.1
[02:53] <viewer|32> Hello, anybody there?
[02:53] <viewer|32> Seems like an idle chat channel
 It's just minor updates
[04:34] <flejm> hi
[04:35] <flejm> is every pendrive bootable?
[04:36] <flejm> I have some problem with bootable pendrive and I don't know what I can do
[05:01] <gnoob> flejm: I think they should all work.
[05:02] <gnoob> have you tried USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 ports?
[05:07] <flejm> no, I tried only one port, I have two pendrives and first pendrive is without problem bootable, but the second pendrive is not bootable
[05:08] <flejm> I think that I should try the other usb ports
[05:10] <flejm> thanks
[05:23] <flejm> thanks, the problem with bootable pendrive is solved
[10:54] <Guest96910> Hello
[10:54] <Guest96910> Anybody there? I want help installing Kubuntu
[10:58] <Guest96910> Hello
[11:00] <Guest96910> Why isn't anyone answering?
 Hi!
 Nobody was answering because nobody was here.
 we do this on our free time.
[11:01] <Guest96910> I want some help, please
 How can I help?
[11:01] <Guest96910> I have Windows and Linux Mint already installed
[11:01] <Guest96910> I want to remove Linux Mint and install Kubuntu
[11:01] <Guest96910> But keep Windows
 that is out of my expertise.
 I know what I would do, but I am not confident enough to share.
 make sure you have good backups!
 clonezilla
[11:03] <Guest96910> I have backups in a removable drive
[11:06] <Guest96910> What should I do, please tell, anyone
[11:11] <Guest96910> hello dani
 Go to windows and delete the linux partition
 Then follow the guide for dualboot install
[11:19] <Guest96910> Okay thanks
[11:57] <floown> hello
[11:58] <floown> On a dedicated server Ubuntu, I try to add a glue record for manage my DNS record for my domains. The syntaxe shoud be hostname.mydomain.tld    or    ns.mydomain.tld    ?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
 Hey all
[15:21] <anshm> Hey guys can anyone help me with upgrading to 20.04.1 from 20.04
[16:55] <rosco_y> Can anyone tell me the steps to install ubuntu on a win 10 machine so that I can use a dual-boot menu when booting?
[16:57] <rosco_y> I always wind up hitting f12 during boot to go into the system bios to select a drive to boot.
[16:58] <rosco_y> now i want to resize a drive, make a partition and install linux on the new partition--but I'd like to do it right.
[17:05] <tomreyn> rosco_y: so you're bios booting then, not uefi?
[17:06] <rosco_y> tomreyn, ty.  No, I just checked, my system is using uefi, but I don't know what that is
[17:06] <tomreyn> so, both bios boot and uefi boot can have a boot menu, just.. they usually work very differently.
[17:07] <rosco_y> uefi obvously being a new versio of bios?
[17:07] <rosco_y> or is that obvious at all?
[17:08] <tomreyn> it's an incompatible replacement
[17:08] <tomreyn> but yes, it's newer
[17:08] <rosco_y> groan...how can anyone keep up?
[17:08] <tomreyn> to make things more difficult to understand, many mainboard firmwares support both boot mechanisms, but not at the same time, so you need to select one.
[17:09] <rosco_y> do you recommend i select one or the other?
[17:09] <tomreyn> and to make it even worse, most mainboard manufacturers refer to the mainboard firmware as "BIOS" wbven when it's a UEFI firmware
[17:09] <tomreyn> wbven -> even
[17:10] <rosco_y> I ran "msinfo" which reported that my "BIOS" is uefi
[17:11] <tomreyn> see :)
[17:11] <rosco_y> seeing how I find this all so confusing, maybe I'd better skip installing linux on my machine....
[17:12] <rosco_y> I'll probably wind up with ground hamburger
[17:12] <rosco_y> It'd be a big job to rebuild everything from scratch
[17:12] <tomreyn> it's not easy to recommend one of the two to you, because they scenario you were suggesting (selecting system to boot from mainboard firmware UI generated menu when you have OSes installed on separate disks) is actually easier to achieve in a legacy BIOS boot setup.
[17:13] <tomreyn> on the other hand i'd recommend UEFI for forward compatibility.
[17:13] <rosco_y> I hear what you're saying.  Safter to stick with UEFI going forward.
[17:14] <tomreyn> you shouldn't be worried about installing kubuntu on your system. if anything will destroy your ability to boot the other OS, it's be windows
[17:14] <tomreyn> *it'll be
[17:14] <rosco_y> :( That's what would take a lot of time to restore.
[17:15] <rosco_y> I'm relying on windows quite a bit, but I could try some things in linux.
[17:15] <tomreyn> but i do recommend you read up on the uefi boot process, and get an understanding of how it uses a so-called "efi system partition" with boot loaders stored on it, to boot.
[17:16] <tomreyn> your other option is to use WSL2 on windows, it's not as good a running ubuntu natively, but can still enable you to lern much.
[17:16] <tomreyn> *kubuntu
[17:16] <rosco_y> Thank!  I'll do that for a while, if I get comfortable with it, I'll go ahead with it.
[17:16] <tomreyn> or even run a full kubuntu with the graphical user interface in a VM
[17:16] <tomreyn> such as under virtualbox
[17:17] <rosco_y> I can't run virtual machines because I have windows home ed
[17:17] <tomreyn> yes you can
[17:17] <tomreyn> just not using microsofts hypervisor
[17:17] <rosco_y> uhm....more misunderstandings on my part--
[17:18] <rosco_y> oh, I didn't think of that!
[17:18] <rosco_y> I've used vbox in the past--I like it!
[17:19] <rosco_y> That's what I'm going to try first here!  -- no cutting up my hard drives, no muss, no fuss!
[17:19] <tomreyn> cool, good luck. you can ask virtualbox questions in #vbox, windows questions in ##windows
[17:20] <rosco_y> Thanks again--I really appreciate your help!!
[17:20] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:20] <tomreyn> note you can also do it the other way around
[17:20] <tomreyn> kubuntu -> virtualbox -> qindows 10
[17:21] <tomreyn> but maybe that's not for you, yet ;)
[17:23] <tomreyn> if your hardware is good enough (enough ram, cpu from the past 5 years and not the cheapest one), and you don't need good graphics performance in windows (or have two graphics chipsets), i do recommend to try it.
[18:13] <Nitec> Hi, i want to add a new static interface in /etc/network/interfaces, but this file doesn't exist in 20.04 release. In release 18.x this file exists & it works as it should. How/where can i do this now in 20.04?
[18:20] <tomreyn> Nitec: are you using this as a desktop or server computer?
[18:20] <Nitec> desktop
[18:20] <tomreyn> Nitec: configure networking using network manager
[18:21] <tomreyn> if you prefer to do it from a CLI, there are nmcli and nm-tui
[18:25] <tomreyn> Nitec: if you need something more complex you can use netplan to write a network-manager configuration for interfaces you want configured statically, and configure those to be dynamically configured using the NM GUI/applet.
[20:11] <alinux> hey all
[20:12] <alinux> using latest version of kubuntu and installed vmware player. i have weird icons including "the home icon",also down to usb and cd-rom's.. icons are weird.. any one know why ?
[20:14] <alinux> https://ibb.co/y5PDLht
[20:14] <alinux> https://ibb.co/Pxd6s6v
[20:15] <alinux> https://ibb.co/XbDygWb
[20:15] <alinux> please ?
[20:15] <alinux> :(
 ы
 sry, no clue here.
[20:23] <tomreyn> ensure that the tthird-party software you installed is supported by its vendor on your version of kubuntu. use their support channels, contact their support.
[20:28] <tomreyn> alinux: apparently you're looking for https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2129859
[20:30] <alinux> tomreyn: my problem is that the host is not supported yet ?
[20:31] <alinux> how come.. it installs fine with no problems..
[20:33] <tomreyn> alinux: not something we can answer here
[20:34] <alinux> okay thank you
[20:34] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[20:34] <alinux> then.. i have an odd dolphin problem
[20:34] <alinux> when i open a folder with files/movies/songs it takes some time to generate the previews inside subfolders
[20:34] <tomreyn> for the virtualization: you could try virtualbox or virt-manager with quemu-kvm instead
[20:35] <alinux> like 1/2/3 secs
[20:35] <alinux> but when i open the folder again after closing it does refreshing again
[20:36] <alinux> tomreyn: yes i could.. but i need 3D !
[20:40] <tomreyn> either can do certain levels of 3d acceleration under some circumstances
[20:40] <tomreyn> there's also #LookingGlass
[20:43] <alinux> i only have 1 gpu
[20:59] <tomreyn> https://github.com/joeknock90/Single-GPU-Passthrough
[20:59] <tomreyn> alinux: ^
[20:59] <alinux> yeah i did read this too :D
[21:00] <alinux> ill try that one day
[21:47] <ricardo> hI
[22:38] <hannah> Hey, it's me, Hannah Montana, coming at you live from the Hannah Montana Linux-based operating system.
[22:45] <tomreyn> hannah: sorry to hear that. this channel is about kubuntu, though
[22:46] <hannah> Hey, Hannah Montana here, the Hannah Montana Linux-based operating system actually runs on Kubuntu 9!
[22:47] <hannah> Also TF you mean "sorry to hear that" what's that supposed to mean, huh?
[23:01] <gnoob> OMG, I can't believe she was really here.


[01:16] <lifeless> bigjools: if they paste the error they are having they might get help!
[01:17] <bigjools> lifeless: well, quite :)
[08:50] <adeuring> good morning
[10:57] <deryck> Morning, all.
[12:04] <rick_h_> morning deryck
[12:04] <rick_h_> adeuring: do you have time to do a hangout on this zcml fun please?
[12:04] <adeuring> rick_h_: sure
[12:59] <rick_h_> adeuring: woot! all the product tests passed. So back to my own new tests and making this work. Thanks!
[12:59] <adeuring> rick_h_: welcome :)
[13:16] <sinzui> jam, mgz: I don't understand the issue with this import to help the user. Can you help? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/215746
[14:25] <rick_h_> adeuring: can you please review this branch we chatted about then since I'm OCR? https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/launchpad/changing_maintainer_1077841/+merge/137849
[14:26] <adeuring> rick_h_: sure
[14:26] <rick_h_> thanks
[14:30] <adeuring> ricr=me
[14:34] <sinzui> rick_h_, do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/cleanup-merged-people-1/+merge/137700
[14:42] <rick_h_> sinzui: will do after call
[15:27] <rick_h_> sinzui: r=me
[15:28] <sinzui> thank you rick_h_
[15:43] <adeuring> rick_h_: could you please review this mp: https://code.launchpad.net/~adeuring/launchpad/bug-1086043/+merge/137882 ?
[15:44] <rick_h_> sure thing adeuring
[15:44] <adeuring> htanks!
[15:56] <mattyw> I'm having a go at fixing bugs in loggerhead. I'm trying to run serve-branches but all I get from my browser is: The resource could not be found. Anyone able to offer a couple of minutes to help me work out what I'm doing wrong?
[15:58] <rick_h_> mattyw: when I last ran it I could only get it to work against a single branch and not against a direcotry of them
[16:00] <mattyw> rick_h_, from within my loggerhead source directory I do ./serve-branches (no args) correct? I believe that should give me one branch
[16:05] <rick_h_> ok, what I had to do to get it working was install it as a bazaar plugin, and then use bzr serve --http
[16:07] <rick_h_> mattyw: https://code.launchpad.net/~rharding/loggerhead/yui3.7.1 is the branch I had going to work on YUI update there and I had to go that plugin route to get it to run/verify
[16:09] <rick_h_> adeuring: one question and one comment fix on your MP
[16:10] <rick_h_> adeuring: your tests pass though, so maybe I'm mis-understanding things which is why you didn't have to move the displayname to the new interface as well?
[16:10]  * adeuring is looking
[16:12] <adeuring> rick_h_: I am pretty sure that displayname will be needed to fix bug 1086057. But the bug listings do not show the displyname; the series's name is needed in the call of canonucal_url()
[16:12] <_mup_> Bug #1086057: Users with an artifact grant for a bug related to a private product can't view the bug page. <Launchpad itself:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086057 >
[16:14] <adeuring> rick_h_: but for now, I'd like to keep displayname protected by lp.View -- simply because it is not needed in the bug listing
[16:14] <rick_h_> adeuring: right, so you moved displayname in the zcml from one block to the other. Then you moved name into IProductSeriesLimitedView, but not displayname
[16:14] <rick_h_> adeuring: ah ok gotcha
[16:14] <mattyw> rick_h_, thanks that seems to work
[16:15] <adeuring> rick_h_: argh, yes, no I get the oddity. let me check again
[16:18] <adeuring> rick_h_: milestone.displayname needs lp.LimitedView for bug listing page, but productseries.displayname is not needed there...  As said, I'll probably have to use lp.LimitedView for productseries.dispalyname in my next brnach
[16:18] <rick_h_> adeuring: right ok. so r=me just wanted to dbl check there
[16:19] <rick_h_> zcml turning my brain to mush today
[16:19] <adeuring> rick_h_: thanks. YOur question made sense -- it was probably not the best idea to change the permission for two different classes in one branch ;)
[16:25] <james_w> rick_h_, hi, would you take a look at the extra revisions on https://code.launchpad.net/~james-w/python-oops-tools/recent-oopses/+merge/137055 please?
[16:25] <james_w> they are to fix the tarmac test failure under python2.6
[16:29] <sinzui> rick_h_, do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/launchpad/revision-karma-2/+merge/137906
[16:30]  * sinzui looks at james_w's branch
[16:30] <james_w> thanks sinzui
[16:30] <sinzui> ah, I see. r-=me
[16:31] <sinzui> james_w, r=me.
[16:31] <james_w> sinzui, merci
[16:36] <rick_h_> sinzui: sure thing looking
[16:44] <rick_h_> sinzui: r=me
[16:44] <sinzui> thank you rick_h_
[17:26] <mattyw> rick_h_, me again, I thought I'd look into this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/358293. But I can't seem to even find the search box displayed anywhere.
[17:26] <_mup_> Bug #358293: Search field is too narrow <trivial> <ui> <loggerhead:Triaged> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/358293 >
[17:28] <rick_h_> mattyw: hmm, wonder if it's not displayed in a single branch view
[17:33] <mattyw> rick_h_, hmmm, looks like this is what I see https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/1075907
[17:33] <_mup_> Bug #1075907: Loggerhead - serving two directories from parent <loggerhead:Confirmed> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/1075907 >
[17:34] <rick_h_> mattyw: right
[17:37] <rick_h_> sinzui: forced another build-not build
[17:42] <sinzui> oh, so did I
[17:42] <rick_h_> heh, crush the buildbot!
[20:09] <wgrant> deryck: Hi, did the definitional issue that I raised last night get sorted out before we announced private projects were out of beta?
[20:09] <wgrant> I suspect we've released a definition of privacy that we can't support.
[20:09] <wgrant> Specifically, AIUI we say that series and milestones are private from people who can only see a bug, when that's impossible.
[20:29] <deryck> hi wgrant.  It's not landed yet, but abel has a branch nearly done.  Should be landing during his tomorrow.
[20:29] <wgrant> Ah, great.
[20:30] <deryck> wgrant, thanks for catching that and letting us know.
[20:30] <wgrant> It just reveals some details of milestones and series?
[20:30] <deryck> yeah
[20:30] <deryck> well, and a list 403s
[20:30] <wgrant> I mean, how does the fix fix it?
[20:31] <deryck> wgrant, that was the yeah, and then I thought you meant something else.  sorry. :)
[20:31] <wgrant> Right :)
[20:31] <wgrant> Thanks
[20:31] <deryck> wgrant, we fix it with limited view to reveal the name of the milestones and series.


[12:39] <fta> micahg, tried a debug build yesterday, succeeded on king (64bit), OOMed on protactinium & actinium and succeeded on nannyberry (all doing 32bit)
[15:29] <BUGabundo> G'aft
[15:36] <fta> pfff, unity is no slow in oneiric
[15:36] <fta> in fact, everything feels slower
[15:37] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:37] <BUGabundo> I'm on gnome
[15:38] <BUGabundo> don't see any slow down
[15:38] <BUGabundo> just ugly GTK
[15:39] <fta> i boot in 3 min, far from the announced 10 sec a few cycles ago
[15:39] <fta> and it damn slow to change workspace or move windows
[15:40] <fta> i hate compiz
[15:40] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[15:40] <fta> rebooting to get a fresh bootchart
[15:40] <BUGabundo> I boot in under 30 sec
[15:40] <BUGabundo> on SSD
[15:49] <fta> hm, there's a fsck.ext4 in the bootchart, but it's not visible during the boot
[15:50] <fta> from sec 10 to 75
[15:51] <BUGabundo> yeah, I had to take btrfs-tools out
[15:51] <BUGabundo> or it would hang for 30-60 sec
[15:53] <fta> i'm still on ext4 here
[15:55] <fta> ok, lightdm: gone. it's still too raw
[15:59] <BUGabundo> ahah
[16:39] <fta> ok, much better now, i boot up to the desktop in 25 sec
[16:40] <fta> if only i could get rid of that old slow bios
[16:42] <Omega> coreboot
[16:43] <fta> hm, apport is a pig, liferea too
[16:43] <fta> zeitgeist i don't need
[16:43] <fta> there's still room for improvement :)
[16:43] <fta> and a SSD would help too
[16:43] <Omega> That's actually true, I don't need zeitgeist either
[16:44] <Omega> I know where I keep my stuff
[16:44] <Omega> fta: also install preload
[16:44] <fta> i see the 1st 15 secs used exclusively by ureadahead
[16:45] <fta> moblock is a pig too
[16:47] <BUGabundo> can't find moblock
[16:47] <fta> grr, if i drop zeitgeist, i loose half of unity
[16:48] <fta> and of rhythmbox
[16:48] <fta> wtf?
[16:49] <fta> BUGabundo, i take it from a ppa
[16:51] <fta> it's pretty old actually. i wonder if there's something better nowadays
[16:54] <fta> desktopcouch sucks too, gone
[16:57] <BUGabundo> I don't even have that
[17:03] <fta> BUGabundo, you don't? it was used for a while in gwibber, various applets, and some of apps since maverick
[17:03] <BUGabundo> yeah
[17:03] <BUGabundo> I know
[17:03] <BUGabundo> that's why I find it strange
[17:03] <fta> i used to drop it but it came back for some reason
[17:03] <BUGabundo> desktopcouch:
[17:03] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[17:03] <BUGabundo>
[17:04] <fta> Omega, are you using coreboot?
[17:04] <fta> i don't want to brick my main desktop
[17:14] <Omega> fta: I'm not, but I want to
[21:56] <fta> micahg, yt?
[22:15] <micahg> fta: yeah, got your message earlier, thanks
[22:18] <micahg> fta: was there something else you needed?
[22:36] <fta> micahg, i read https://wiki.edubuntu.org/SecurityTeam/PublicationNotes#Chromium Browser, you might benefit from --temp-profile --no-first-run
[22:37] <micahg> what does --no-first-run do?
[22:38] <fta> it bypasses the search provider selector
[22:38] <micahg> ah ,what about default browser?
[22:38] <fta> hm, maybe that too, not sure
[22:39] <micahg> ah, seems to bypass that as well, however, I do like to test that the default browser setting works/sticks
[22:40] <micahg> I test in a clean VM in any case, so it's always a new profile actually (except on the profile import test)
[22:40] <micahg> but thank you
[22:43] <fta> i tried a debug build with various levels of logs for the html5 regression in oneiric, still no clue. there's no log associated to this :(
[22:43] <fta> and it's not something i can bisect.
[22:43] <micahg> so, hmm, well if it works that that library from natty, that seems weird
[22:44] <fta> it doesn't seem to be binutils
[22:44] <fta> maybe gcc after all
[22:44] <fta> both 4.5 & 4.6
[22:45] <micahg> well, all that's used is libvpx, libc, and libm, libvpx is still the natty binaries
[22:46] <micahg> has anyone upstream run into it with gcc-4.6?
[22:46] <fta> gcc 4.5 seems to have changed a lot since natty
[22:46] <fta> no idea
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> when you built it on natty, did you build it with the binutils backported from oneiric, or with the actual oneiric binutils binary?
[22:47] <fta> upstream mostly targets the LTS
[22:47] <micahg> hmm, well, there was an upstream point release, but those aren't supposed to break things (although I guess they do)
[22:48] <fta> chrisccoulson, i rebuilt the oneiric binutils on natty
[22:50] <fta> i guess i can try to do the same with gcc 4.5
[23:21] <fta> grr, deja-dup is just filling up my disks with full backups
[23:21] <fta> not what i need
[23:22] <micahg> fta: tell mterry if there's a bug
[23:22] <fta> already did. it's by design
[23:23] <micahg> k
[23:23] <fta> this thing is oriented toward desktops
[23:23] <fta> with little data
[23:23] <fta> definitely not my case
[23:24] <micahg> I would imagine not most of our cases
[23:24] <fta> and there's not enough control over it
[23:24] <fta> it starts at midnight, period
[23:25] <fta> problem is, it's too early, it's getting in my way, doing full backups for hours
[23:25] <fta> there's no way i can afford uploading that stuff over my flaky adsl link
[23:26] <micahg> right, you definitely want incrementals
[23:29] <fta> it did some the previous days, but today, it decided to do a "fresh backup to protect from backup corruption, This will take longer than normal"
[23:29] <micahg> heh, that sounds like it should be configurable
[23:29] <fta> now my disk is at 99% :P


[05:51] <robbuf> hi
[05:51] <robbuf> can anyone help me figure out why I cannot install ati drivers please
[10:29] <ev> we seem to be doing largely okay on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com, a big hat tip to those of you who have been fixing bugs at a rapid pace
[10:33] <cjwatson> jibel: FYI there's no longer an oem-config source package - please use ubiquity instead
[10:35] <jibel> cjwatson, ah, ok thanks
[13:32] <stgraber> I'm currently busy testing Edubuntu but I think I saw a weird bug a bit earlier in the hostname input box. I entered an invalid value and then fixed it but it'd still appear as invalid (IIRC I had an _ in it)
[13:33] <stgraber> I should be done with Edubuntu testing in an hour or so, willl look at that then
[13:34] <stgraber> ev: btw, do you have any idea of what's wrong in http://paste.ubuntu.com/679259? The TreeItem exception doesn't make sense to me as that attribute is set at the first line of __init__() so I don't see how it couldn't be set
[13:35] <stgraber> (how, and I don't seem to be able to reproduce it reliably, only happened to me once so far)
[13:35] <ev> weird
[13:42] <ev> stgraber: yeah, I can't see how that's happening at all
[13:42] <ev> very odd
[13:54] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * r4924 trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[13:54] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Don't show the wireless page if there's already a network connection
[13:54] <CIA-31> ubiquity: (LP: #838549).
[13:55] <jibel> stgraber, looks like bug 837927
[13:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 837927 in ubiquity "Warning for existing computer name doesn't disappear when the name is changed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837927
[13:55] <stgraber> jibel: oh, indeed
[13:58] <jibel> stgraber, if you decide to fix that field there is also bug 828181, where a name starting with a digit is considered invalid (bug title needs a fix) and bug 828181
[13:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 828181 in ubiquity "ubiquity incorrectly reports computer name "already exists on the network" until text in other fields is changed" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828181
[13:59] <jibel> bug 831302
[13:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 831302 in ubiquity "ubiquity allows setting an IP address as hostname" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831302
[14:00] <charlie-tca> Let's not forget bug 813240
[14:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 813240 in ubiquity "Xubuntu installer says "That name already exist on the network" for any choosen name" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/813240
[20:07] <CarlFK> what's the pxe parm that appends the mac to the kernel parameter line?
[20:07] <CarlFK> I use it, but don't have access to it...
[20:19] <CarlFK> derp... seems I  botched this bug 803246 a bit - mainly it is missing the exact thing I am searching for
[20:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 803246 in busybox "di syslog lines truncated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/803246
[20:29] <CarlFK> http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/SYSLINUX#IPAPPEND_flag_val_.5BPXELINUX_only.5D
[20:29] <CarlFK> that.