[12:14] <nosrednaekim> n00b_london: update-manager
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: you did what?
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: xorg.conf? no.
[12:14] <Darkkish> okay hmm
[12:14] <dwidmann> n00b_london: way I would do it would be to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all instances of dapper to edgy, then to run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:15] <Darkkish> you know what
[12:15] <Darkkish> it seems that i'm logged in as root
[12:15] <Darkkish> i know what's wrong :D
[12:15] <n00b_london> riight, thanks - someone had told me that before and I'd forgotten
[12:15] <Darkkish> i did "startx" in recovery mode lol
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> haha
[12:15] <Darkkish> no wonder.
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: lol
[12:15] <Darkkish> haha phew
[12:15] <n00b_london> is there any way to make a 'batch' file that would do that for me?
[12:15] <ejortegau> how do u keep up 2 date?
[12:15] <dwidmann> Darkkish: even if in recovery mode, you could "su username" before running startx
[12:15] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: isn't there some automatic tool for that?
[12:16] <dwidmann> nosrednaekim: AFAIK there wasn't one available until the Edgy -> Feisty upgrade
[12:16] <dwidmann> (in other words, there is now, but the packages for it are for Edgy)
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> dwidmann: oh ok..
[12:16] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: up to date with what?
[12:17] <ejortegau> package updates against exploits and stuff like that
[12:17] <ejortegau> on dekstop ubuntu adept or synaptic do that for you... what about on server?
[12:18] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: oh.... apt-get will do it for you.
[12:18] <ejortegau> nosrednaekim: apt-get update or how does it work?
[12:19] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: I don't know. I've never done it from the command line
[12:19] <Dragnslcr> Either apt-get update or apt-get upgrade
[12:19] <ejortegau> it seems to be doing *something*... i guess it works :)
[12:19] <Dragnslcr> update fetches new package lists, upgrade installs new versions
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> its  apt-get update (updates your package lists) followed by apt-get upgrade(upgrades the packages themselves
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> yeah... what Dragnslcr
[12:20] <nosrednaekim> said
[12:20] <ejortegau> ok, thanks
[12:21] <ejortegau> if i change, say, my httpd.conf or my postgresql.conf, and then one day i upgrade those packages bc of some exploit or something, will hte update overwrite my configurations?
[12:21] <Dragnslcr> It shouldn't
[12:21] <Darkkish> fixed
[12:21] <Darkkish> :)
[12:21] <Darkkish> i'm silly
[12:21] <Dragnslcr> Which has the downside of not adding any new required options
[12:21] <nosrednaekim> ejortegau: it will ask you... and show you a diff
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> Oh
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: hehe
[12:22] <Dragnslcr> I was wondering if it even attempted a merge of any kind
[12:22] <Darkkish> but now i'm having another problem >_<
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: get out of recovery mode for 1
[12:22] <Darkkish> i am
[12:22] <ejortegau> doesn't sound fun, but yeah, i guess that's the best approach
[12:22] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: oh.. ok
[12:22] <ReMiiRuru> What (in general) is kept in /proc folder?
[12:23] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: my portable harddrive won't boot
[12:23] <Darkkish> er
[12:23] <nethenson> ReMiiRuru: it is a "virtual folder" (like /dev), it contains system information
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> ReMiiRuru: statistcs about your hardware. its mostly being moved to /sys though
[12:23] <Darkkish> it freezes ubuntu during boot
[12:23] <Darkkish> until i unplug it
[12:23] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: your hard driver has ubuntu installed on it?
[12:23] <Darkkish> something about a USB error and changing the port or something
[12:24] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: no
[12:24] <Darkkish> it's just a portable hard drive
[12:24] <ReMiiRuru> Wow, my hardware statistics take up 1.5GB.
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: oh.. ok.
[12:24] <Darkkish> it works fine when i plug it in after it's booted, but i have to unplug it every time i boot (this is a new problem)
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: is that and inconvenience?
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> *n
[12:24] <nosrednaekim> *an.. phew
[12:24] <Darkkish> yeah it is
[12:24] <nethenson> ReMiiRuru: as i said, it is virtual.. in fact no space is ocupied :)
[12:24] <ReMiiRuru> nethenson: Oh, I see.
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: might want to go over to #linux for that.
[12:25] <colkhis> dwidmann: I have one question.  If I install kubuntu (I have a sepparate partition already), what are the chances that something goes wrong and I lose data on other partitions?
[12:25] <nosrednaekim> colkhis: its not exactly likely.. but something bad could hapen
[12:26] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: how do i follow the instructions for the desktop entry... is that konsole commands?
[12:26] <dwidmann> colkhis: not too likely, but not impossible either
[12:27] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: oh from that tutorial? let me see..
[12:27] <colkhis> ok, not likely is good enough for me. :)
[12:27] <colkhis> thanks
[12:27] <eljefe> colkhis: i've done a lot of installs and never lost anything.  It is possible, but if you know to install to the correct partition, you should be reasonably safe
[12:28] <colkhis> eljefe: yes, I have a blank partition, with no data on it.
[12:28] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: open a file in your /homedirectory/Desktop called "thunderbird.desktop" and paste that into it.
[12:28] <dwidmann> I've ran into major data loss before. Mostly due to incompetence. I now never, ever recommend people resize partitions, especially not XFS partitions, and especially not with qtparted.
[12:28] <eljefe> colkhis: and you know its 'linux name' (e.g. /dev/hda2) ?
[12:30] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: you mean create a file called thunderbird.desktop?
[12:31] <colkhis> kubuntu live cd will not try to automatically repartition my entire drive, right?
[12:31] <colkhis> eljefe: yes I know its name
[12:32] <ReMiiRuru> Wow, logs sure take up a lot of space on linux...
[12:32] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: yes... with that text stuff in it....the stuff in the quotes
[12:33] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: ok what do i create on the desktop? link to application?
[12:34] <angasule> is there a password length limit for user accounts? or any apps that cause trouble if using >8?
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> well yeah... that would work. but don't paste the text there. you have to enter each field by itself
[12:34] <nosrednaekim> angasule: I don't think so
[12:34] <Darkkish> brb hopefully
[12:34] <Darkkish> restarting x
[12:35] <Darkkish> hopefully.
[12:35] <ReMiiRuru> Can I somehow set up how long does linux keeps logs or how big can syslog kern.log be? I mean, almost 1GB for each of them is too much for my hard drive...
[12:36] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: ok i think i got it. but when i click on the link it just acts like its loading for a while then goes away and nothing happens
[12:36] <jwallingford> !dvd
[12:36] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:36] <jwallingford> !universe
[12:36] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:36] <waterox> Hi room
[12:36] <angasule> cool, thanks
[12:37] <nosrednaekim> hello
[12:37] <chuck> !router
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about router - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <chuck> !masquerading
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about masquerading - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:37] <chuck> !ipmasq
[12:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipmasq - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: ok... just try running this from the command line "/usr/local/bin/thunderbird"
[12:38] <waterox> is this the help service ?
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> waterox: yep
[12:38] <waterox> thanks
[12:38] <nosrednaekim> I haven't done anything yet ;)
[12:39] <waterox> :)
[12:39] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: /opt/thunderbird/run-mozilla.sh: 424: /opt/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: not found
[12:39] <jwallingford> i have 64bit if that matters
[12:39] <chuck> anyone know a decent tutorial for setting up ip masquerading on ubuntu edgy eft?
[12:39] <waterox> Ubuntu has really added some nice features since last I had looked
[12:40] <waterox> sry chuck
[12:40] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: haha... yeah... it definately does
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> waterox: yeah.. it has
[12:41] <Lynn_1024> I'm a convert from windows... is there a way to make something like a batch file on linux?
[12:41] <nosrednaekim> Lynn_1024: a batch file?
[12:42] <Lynn_1024> yes... is that possible?
[12:42] <jwallingford> nosrednaekim: so i cant have thunderbird 2?
[12:42] <HymnToLife> nosrednaekim, windows equivalent of shell scripts, IIRC
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> Lynn_1024- yes, it's called shell scripting
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> Lynn_1024- simple things aren't very difficult
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> jwallingford: you are going to have to look around.
[12:42] <HymnToLife> jwallingford, 'course you can, just get it fro mozilla.com
[12:42] <nosrednaekim> for a .deb
[12:42] <HymnToLife> you just can't install it The Ubuntu Way (TM)
[12:43] <waterox> later room :)
[12:43] <nosrednaekim> Lynn_1024: oh yeah...a bash script... they are easy.
[12:43] <Lynn_1024> so what do I need to do to make something like sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:43] <minty_> hey any1 good with beryl?
[12:44] <weswh-work> what's a decent app to monitor CPU load?
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> #!/bin/bash
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:44] <weswh-work> cpu/swap/memory...basic kinda thing would be nice.
[12:44] <Lynn_1024> sorry
[12:44] <jwallingford> i have been looking and everything i try gives me that same error. I had thunderbird 2 on an old system and backed up my .thunderbird file so that i could use it in ubuntu. can i still use the .thunderbird file if i install v1.5? i think i tried it and got errors when i loaded thunderbird.. is there anything i would have to change in the old .thunderbird file to help this?
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> I assume that's not what you actually want to do, though
[12:44] <Lynn_1024> I forgot to finish that sentence
[12:44] <Lynn_1024> I want to make it automated
[12:45] <HymnToLife> cron is your friend ;)
[12:45] <Darkkish> ugh
[12:45] <Darkkish> so now i had to reconfigure my Xorg
[12:45] <Darkkish> and i set it to 1280x1024
[12:45] <Dragnslcr> You don't actually mean apt-get dist-upgrade, right?
[12:45] <Lynn_1024> explanation... I'm working on a friend's computer, bringing it from 6.06 to 7.04, which will take about 5 hours
[12:45] <nosrednaekim> Lynn_1024: like eveyr couple minutes or every time you log in?
[12:45] <Darkkish> but it only goes up to 1024x768 >_>
[12:45] <Lynn_1024> no no.... just once
[12:45] <ReMiiRuru> I have big problem. When I try to start some of kde aplications from console using sudo, i.e. "sudo kate" some of them won't start, but they start if I don't use sudo. There's an error I get: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24494/
[12:45] <Dragnslcr> dist-upgrade is definitely not something you have to do as a cron job
[12:45] <minty_> any1 good with the workign of beryl?
[12:45] <Lynn_1024> lol
[12:45] <HymnToLife> !kdesu | ReMiiRuru
[12:45] <ubotu> ReMiiRuru: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:46] <nosrednaekim> minty_: go to #ubuntu-effects
[12:46] <ReMiiRuru> Oh...
[12:46] <HymnToLife> ReMiiRuru, basucally, use kdesu kate instead of sudo kate
[12:46] <Lynn_1024> so how does one make a shell script?
[12:46] <ReMiiRuru> Yeah, I understood. Thanks.
[12:46] <Dragnslcr> Lynn_1024- it's just a text file
[12:46] <Lynn_1024> ok
[12:46] <Lynn_1024> saved as...
[12:47] <Dragnslcr> Lynn_1024- you put #!/bin/bash on the first line
[12:47] <Dragnslcr> Well, technically you can use any interpreter you want, but if you're running shell commands, #!/bin/bash is what you want
[12:48] <Lynn_1024> ok
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> Basically, #!/path/to/something means "run this file through /path/to/something"
[12:48] <Lynn_1024> do I need to save it as anything special, like a batch file is saved as a .bat in windows?
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> then you put in the shell commands that you want to run. you can also for for and if statements
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> Nope, it just has to be executable
[12:48] <nosrednaekim> Lynn_1024: nope.
[12:48] <Lynn_1024> ...
[12:48] <Dragnslcr> Unix doesn't use file extensions for anything
[12:49] <nosrednaekim> Lynn_1024: you execute it with ./<program name>
[12:49] <Lynn_1024> !pastebin
[12:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:49] <Lynn_1024> ok, I'm a little lost on that... I'm still a bit of a n00b myself
[12:49] <Dragnslcr> On which part?
[12:50] <Lynn_1024> execute with ./<programname>
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> In a shell
[12:50] <khirr> someone of u have installed amsn 0.97
[12:50] <Dragnslcr> You should be able to just run it from Konqueror as well
[12:50] <Lynn_1024> so when it comes up with the "Open With" option, I just say konqueror or something?
[12:51] <Dragnslcr> Hm
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> no... tell it to open it with "bash"
[12:51] <Darkkish> how do i reconfigure my graphics card drivers?
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> thats not how it should be tho..
[12:51] <Darkkish> just use reinstall in adept
[12:51] <Dragnslcr> Or Open With... and select "Run In Terminal"
[12:51] <Darkkish> ??
[12:51] <mahdi> anybody try KDE4 Alpha 1?
[12:51] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: do you have some kind of proprietary ones?
[12:51] <Lynn_1024> well, if you do that, don't you also have to select a program?
[12:52] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: i had to reconfigure xorg
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, guess that wouldn't work
[12:52] <Dragnslcr> You might have to actually open Konsole and run it from there
[12:52] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: do you have the nvidia or ATI drivers is what i'm asking
[12:53] <Lynn_1024> hmm
[12:53] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: nvidia, i said that
[12:53] <Lynn_1024> my friend doesn't know the first thing about terminal... I want to make this as easy as possible for her
[12:53] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: ah.. ok.
[12:53] <Lynn_1024> it's going to take about 5 hours to upgrade from dapper to edgy
[12:54] <Dragnslcr> Lynn_1024- I would think that Adept can do a dist-upgrade
[12:54] <Dragnslcr> Though Dapper may have an old version
[12:54] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: so should i just reinstall nvidia-glx-new in adept?
[12:54] <Lynn_1024> well, I've already changed all the references to dapper over to edgy in sources.list
[12:54] <Dragnslcr> Honestly, dist-upgrade isn't a very trivial thing anyway
[12:54] <Lynn_1024> and done the sudo apt-get updates
[12:55] <Dragnslcr> I would think just telling her to open Konsole and type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should be pretty easy to follow
[12:55] <Lynn_1024> lol
[12:56] <jzilla> does anybody have exp. with installing a 32bit firefox in a 64bit enviroment?
[12:56] <Dragnslcr> I've only installed Kubuntu right from a current CD, so I don't know a whole lot about doing a dist-upgrade
[12:56] <Dragnslcr> !dist-upgrade
[12:56] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[12:56] <Tommy1000> kann hier jemand deutsch
[12:56] <Dragnslcr> That page might have some helpful tips too
[12:57] <Dragnslcr> jzilla- does the version of Firefox from the repository not work for you?
[12:57] <Alarm> hello. i just noticed that i cant view files AND directories on other partitions that are written with greek characters. how can this be fixed ?
[12:57] <jzilla> Dragnslcr: if i use the repo, it installs 64bit ff.
[12:58] <Dragnslcr> And the problem with that is what?
[12:58] <jzilla> flash support
[12:58] <Dragnslcr> Don't think it would matter
[12:59] <Darkrift> Question
[12:59] <ReMiiRuru> Umm, I just ran completely out of space on my drive that mounts to / and now all applications almost don't work(or just don't)... And I didn't create any new files on /, data usage on partition just grew with time. Probably some logs, cache and stuff... So, how can I clean things up?
[12:59] <Darkrift> i tried kubuntu on my older dell laptop and things went very smooth
[12:59] <Darkrift> so i tried it on my newer compaq v6210us laptop
[12:59] <Darkrift> and nothing went smooth
[12:59] <Darkrift> ive gotten most things to work, but my wifi is super slow
[12:59] <Daisuke_Ido> Alarm: i assume you have the greek language pack installed?
[01:00] <Darkrift> ive followed 5 or so different tut's on the ubuntu forums and still no luck
[01:00] <ejortegau> hey, i need php to have freetype support, any ideas besides recompiling?
[01:00] <Darkrift> anyone know what i could do?
[01:00] <Alarm> nop, i didnt do it as i was afraid not this to change the whole language on my system. i sitll want my system to be in english
[01:00] <Daisuke_Ido> nope, you can keep the default language as english
[01:00] <Darkrift> id like to get rid of vista for good, but i cant untill i have internet working fully on kubuntu
[01:01] <Alarm> Daisuke_Ido,  what does that language pack include ?
[01:01] <Daisuke_Ido> let me look real quick
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: no idea. what chipset it is?
[01:01] <Darkrift> broadcomm 34xx i think
[01:01] <ejortegau> crap, please tell me i don't need to recompile...
[01:01] <Darkrift> there are many threads about it on the forums
[01:01] <Tommy1000> can somebody speak german
[01:02] <Darkrift> sound worked perfectly (forums said idhave a hell of a time getting sound working)
[01:02] <Darkrift> video too..... tons of ppl had probs with video, but it works great for me
[01:02] <Darkrift> but wifi is 10k
[01:03] <Dragnslcr> ejortegau- did you compile PHP from source?
[01:03] <ejortegau> nope... i installed from ubuntu... but it does not have freetype support
[01:03] <Dragnslcr> Darkrift- Broadcom is notoriously horrible in Linux
[01:03] <Darkrift> so i hear
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: are you using ndiswrapper
[01:04] <Darkrift> but.... vista is notoriously horrible period :S
[01:04] <Darkrift> no, tried
[01:04] <Darkrift> wouldnt install properly
[01:04] <SeanTater> Why do I get duplicate packets when I ping specific computers on my local network?
[01:04] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: ah.. ok
[01:04] <Daisuke_Ido> This metapackage depends on all packages that provide native language support for applications in Ubuntu (like spell checkers, dictionaries, OpenOffice and Mozilla locale packages, etc.).
[01:04] <Darkrift> the only method i got working was the fwcutter method
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> i'm not familiar with it
[01:05] <xime> hi, I want know if is possible run xgl/beryl in kde
[01:05] <Darkrift> extracts firmware from a windows driver
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> xime: yep
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> it is
[01:05] <Darkrift> yes xime
[01:05] <Darkrift> it works awesome
[01:05] <Dragnslcr> ejortegau- do you have libfreetype6 and libfreetype6-dev installed?
[01:05] <xime> anywone has a link, because I find only for gnome/ubuntu
[01:05] <Darkrift> erm
[01:05] <Darkrift> install it from apt-get
[01:05] <Darkrift> thats how i did it
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> xime: it shoudl be the same
[01:06] <Darkrift> apt-get install beryl
[01:06] <xime> without beryl repositories?
[01:06] <ejortegau> dev thing not... installing it right now
[01:06] <Darkrift> ooh
[01:06] <Darkrift> think i added them somehow
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> xime: if you are on fiesty, yeah
[01:06] <xime> yes I am
[01:06] <Darkrift> been a few weeks
[01:06] <Darkrift> but i know it was fast and easy
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> did you follow the toturial suggested by !beryl?
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> !beryl
[01:07] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:07] <ejortegau> Dragnslcr: installed it
[01:07] <xime> no :s
[01:07] <Darkrift> brb in a few
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> xime: follow the tutorial at beryl-project
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> bye
[01:08] <xime> ok, I try now, maybe come back later... thanks!
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> NP
[01:09] <ejortegau> ok, plan b... anyone here using captcha images with a php website?
[01:10] <ubuntu_> Help
[01:10] <ubuntu_> nalioth:
[01:10] <ubuntu_> nalioth:
[01:10] <nalioth> ubuntu_: yes?
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: whats the problem?
[01:11] <Alarm> Daisuke_Ido,  fixed it. just needed to mount my ntfs with iso and unicode
[01:11] <Darkrift> uck
[01:11] <Darkrift> konversation is ucky
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> I like it...
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[01:11] <ubuntu_> hi i wanted to know how to install firefox on kubuntu
[01:11] <nalioth> !tell ubuntu_ about firefox
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu_: sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu_: "sudo apt-get install firefox
[01:11] <ubuntu_> thanks
[01:12] <ubuntu_> hello
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> hello
[01:13] <[VK] > hi
[01:13] <[VK] > I have installed UBuntu
[01:13] <[VK] > I have installed Kubuntu over the Wubi installer
[01:14] <[VK] > and it detects my Wlan card but I cant make a connection with my router
[01:14] <[VK] > it finds my router (30) but it abourts while connecting
[01:16] <xime> kubuntu has a program to handle restricted software like ubuntu?
[01:16] <Admiral_Chicago> xime: no
[01:16] <Darkrift> anyone know if there is some auto installers for wifi (found there are some for video cards)?
[01:25] <ejortegau> thanks for your help guys
[01:25] <ejortegau> g2g
[01:28] <proxie> I'm new so forgive me if this is an obvious question ... is it possible to run "Deskbar" in kUbuntu?
[01:30] <doobeh> Hey, I've got a IMB t60p, and when I try and run Kubuntu 7.04 it seems to load everything okay, but it just sits at a blinking prompt when the GUI should pop up
[01:30] <doobeh> is there any way to see what the problem might be?
[01:30] <backpro> hello
[01:30] <Daisuke_Ido> well i think it's safe to say that X is the problem
[01:31] <doobeh> I mean, specific problems
[01:31] <backpro> i wanna install php in kubuntu !!
[01:31] <doobeh> Is there a way to see error messages from X?
[01:31] <backpro> how ?
[01:31] <Darkrift> question, my kubuntu seems to not have ndiswrapper installed, but everything is telling me ubuntu does... am i right to assume that this is one of thier differences?
[01:31] <mneisen> backpro: sudo apt-get install php5
[01:32] <ace_suares> doobeh: did you try alt-ctrl-f1 ?
[01:32] <doobeh> yeah, ace, just a standard prompt, no errors listed there
[01:32] <eljefe> Darkrift: not sure; Kubuntu gets the shaft tho
[01:32] <ace_suares> backpro: something along the lines of apt-get install php might worrk
[01:32] <Darkrift> ok
[01:32] <ace_suares> !php
[01:32] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[01:32] <Darkrift> kinda what i wanted to hear
[01:32] <eljefe> has anyone had issues with opening k9copy lately?
[01:33] <ace_suares> xime: kubuntu = ubuntu + kde
[01:33] <Darkrift> so in adept, i found teh ndiswrapper source
[01:33] <eljefe> Darkrift: install it tho, sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[01:33] <Darkrift> will that auto compile or will i have to search for it and compile it?
[01:33] <xime> ace_suares yes
[01:33] <Darkrift> i tried that
[01:34] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/usr/src$ sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper
[01:34] <ace_suares> doobeh: log in to the box, then find /var/log/Zorg.0.log
[01:34] <eljefe> Darkrift: not sure!   look into restricted-package-manager or something... i bet that would use ndiswrapper and therefor install it as needed...
[01:34] <Darkrift> Reading package lists... Done
[01:34] <Darkrift> Building dependency tree
[01:34] <Darkrift> Reading state information... Done
[01:34] <Darkrift> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper
[01:34] <ace_suares> sorry not Zorg ! Aaagh ! I mean Xorg.0.log
[01:34] <xime> I get this error when start beryl-manager from console beryl-manager:6953: CRITICAL **: can't execute beryl-xgl: Success
[01:34] <Darkrift> i even tried with the full package name
[01:34] <Darkrift> same error
[01:34] <eljefe> do you have all of your repositories enabled?
[01:34] <doobeh> thanks ace, I'll give it a go :)
[01:34] <eljefe> does anyone have issues opening k9copy?
[01:34] <Darkrift> so im using adept (which finds it, but the source)
[01:34] <Daisuke_Ido> ndiswrapper-utils-1.9
[01:34] <Darkrift> i have all of them enabled
[01:35] <Darkrift> i can find the utils, but that needs the module first it says
[01:35] <eljefe> hmm odd, not sure...  i guess check forums?  !ndiswrapper
[01:35] <eljefe> !ndiswrapper
[01:35] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:35] <eljefe> try that
[01:35] <Darkrift> i cant even install firefox with this crappy 10k speed :(
[01:36] <eljefe> utils might be alright tho, are you sure its the source?
[01:36] <ace_suares> xime: sorry maybe I missed your question or it was already answered. Else please repeat question.
[01:36] <eljefe> that might be just fine
[01:36] <Darkrift> its called
[01:36] <eljefe> Darkrift: ouch, didn't realize that...
[01:36] <Darkrift> ndiswrapper-source
[01:36] <eljefe> ah
[01:36] <Darkrift> source for the ndiswrapper linux kernal module
[01:36] <ace_suares> Darkrift: try links or lynx (text-only browser)
[01:37] <Darkrift> then there is ndiswrapper-common (scripts for ndiswrapper)
[01:37] <ace_suares> xime: don't know nothing about beryl sorry.
[01:37] <Darkrift> and ndiswrapper-utils
[01:37] <Darkrift> so it seems the -source is the only one that might work
[01:37] <xime> ace_suares I already type it :)
[01:37] <Darkrift> my qeustion is
[01:37] <Darkrift> i installed the source
[01:38] <Darkrift> but im guessing it didnt auto compile
[01:38] <Darkrift> so where would i find it to compile it
[01:38] <Darkrift> whats wrong xime?
[01:38] <Darkrift> berly worked great in kubuntu on my other laptop
[01:38] <ace_suares> xime: ubuntu + kde = kubuntu, so beryl should work, like in ubuntu, yes? But I don't know enough so better keep my mth sht.
[01:39] <Darkrift> it does work
[01:40] <xime> yes I belive but I am doing the same I did in Ubunutu but I get these error I post
[01:41] <eljefe> Darkrift: let me go take a look for you on  a faster connection...
[01:41] <eljefe> !ndiswrapper
[01:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:41] <eljefe> brb
[01:43] <Darkrift> k
[01:44] <cole> hi
[01:44] <cole> hi
[01:44] <eljefe> hi
[01:45] <louram02> hi
[01:45] <tikal26> hello, I am having problems intalling from source
[01:45] <cole> i whent to install kubuntu its all laggy and the installer wont start?
[01:45] <louram02> speak in portuguese
[01:46] <tikal26> I get the following error
[01:46] <tikal26> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[01:46] <tikal26> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[01:46] <cole> eu fui instalar o kubuntu seu toda lento e o instalador no comear
[01:46] <eljefe> hi Darkrift can you check if you have it already? eljefe@eljefe-desktop: lsmod |grep -i ndis
[01:46] <Daisuke_Ido> !pt
[01:46] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[01:47] <cole> i went to install kubuntu its all slow and the installer wont start
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> !en louram02
[01:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about en louram02 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:47] <Daisuke_Ido> !en | louram02
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[01:47] <eljefe> cole: is it a slow machine?
[01:47] <Darkrift> i get nothing eljefe
[01:47] <cole> no
[01:47] <eljefe> Darkrift: was this a standard install of Kubuntu 7.04?
[01:47] <Darkrift> yes
[01:48] <cole> ya
[01:48] <eljefe> Darkrift: hmmm, i have it, and the same install... one moment
[01:48] <Darkrift> ive done lots of playing around, but i dont believe ive uninstalled it
[01:48] <eljefe> sure
[01:48] <Darkrift> i know i installed the utils (gui) and it didnt work
[01:48] <Darkrift> the gui worked, but it was bringing up lots of errors about missing files and scripts
[01:49] <eljefe> sure
[01:49] <eljefe> momento
[01:49] <cole> so how do i fix this problrm
[01:50] <eljefe> cole: go to a terminal and type 'top' [enter]  and let us know the memory and the CPU %
[01:50] <cole> um that be hard because im on this computer
[01:51] <eljefe> are you on the computer to which you wish to install kubuntu?  or another?
[01:51] <cole> 224mb of ram 1.ghz
[01:51] <cole> ku
[01:51] <xime> now work, beryl must be 2.0 form ubuntu.beryl-project and not universe repositores
[01:51] <cole> 1.8
[01:51] <Darkrift> got it working xime?
[01:52] <eljefe> cole and Darkrift - i gotta go for a bit, back in 10 or something...
[01:52] <Darkrift> ok
[01:52] <xime> yes, now I have to make it start when xgl start
[01:52] <Darkrift> yeah, that part was a pain
[01:52] <cole> AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200! 1.80 GHZ 224 MB of RAM
[01:52] <xime> why?
[01:52] <Darkrift> dont remember
[01:52] <Darkrift> mine didnt want to autorun
[01:52] <Darkrift> kept having to change things
[01:52] <Darkrift> finally got it working
[01:53] <cole> AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200+ 1.80 GHZ 224 MB of RAM
[01:53] <cole> good right?
[01:53] <Darkrift> cole:  he is away for a few minutes
[01:53] <Darkrift> but that seems good enough
[01:53] <cole> kk
[01:53] <Darkrift> mines just barely faster
[01:53] <Darkrift> and it runs fast
[01:53] <Darkrift> and my other laptop is slower and still runs it
[01:53] <Darkrift> but the ram is a little low
[01:54] <cole> know whare i cna get vary cheep ram?
[01:54] <Darkrift> no idea
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> what kind of ram?
[01:55] <cole> um
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing 333 or 266?
[01:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ddr sdram
[01:55] <cole> i got it written down here somewhare
[01:56] <Darkrift> has to be ddr
[01:56] <Darkrift> with a sempron
[01:56] <cole> k
[01:56] <Darkrift> 266 most liekely
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkrift: right
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> 266, 333 at the VERY most
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> no way it'll do 400
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> or at least no way it'll take advantage of it
[01:56] <Darkrift> yeah
[01:56] <Darkrift> but
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and that's my problem with ram prices
[01:56] <cole> maunal says i can put max of 4gb of ram in it
[01:56] <Darkrift> if you dont trash teh one you have
[01:56] <Darkrift> you need to match the speed
[01:57] <Darkrift> so whatever you have you need to stick with unless youjjust replace it all
[01:57] <cole> speed 2800
[01:57] <Daisuke_Ido> right now, ddr2 is dirt cheap, and ddr is through the roof, comparatively
[01:57] <cole> wat the dif?
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> speed and architecture
[01:58] <cole> 1.80ghtz
[01:58] <cole> amd
[01:58] <cole> x86
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[01:58] <Daisuke_Ido> x86_64
[01:59] <Daisuke_Ido> but yeah
[01:59] <cole> not a 64bit porcessor
[02:00] <Darkrift> mines 64
[02:00] <Darkrift> but someone said just to use x86
[02:00] <Darkrift> i thought linux could handle a 64bit os and 32bit programs
[02:00] <Darkrift> but guesss not
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkrift: for the most part it can, some things won't work properly, and 64 bit OS is overkill for now
[02:01] <Daisuke_Ido> cole: a socket a then
[02:01] <cole> so how do i fix the problem
[02:01] <cole> install wont start and slow
[02:02] <Darkrift> installing linux-headers so i can compile the stupid ndis
[02:02] <Darkrift> overkill how?
[02:02] <Daisuke_Ido> Darkrift: you won't notice a real increase in performance with less than 4gb ram (at least that's how i understand it)
[02:03] <Daisuke_Ido> now...  cole.  is this a prebuilt system?
[02:03] <cole> um yes
[02:03] <cole> i bought at walmart
[02:03] <Daisuke_Ido> brand and model?
[02:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing HP or compaq
[02:04] <Darkrift> 50s lag :(
[02:04] <Darkrift> ouch
[02:04] <Darkrift> emachine or compaq
[02:04] <Darkrift> or hp
[02:04] <Darkrift> proprietary out the ass
[02:04] <Darkrift> gonna have fun like me and my laptop :S
[02:04] <cole> compaq
[02:04] <oslo> on a ftp server, WITH Konqueror: i can create Files&Folders, i can Modify Files&Folders, i can erase folders BUT i CAN'T erase Files ! with another client like kasablanca all is fine ( exept that there another probleme, with casablanca u can't cut & paste, only copy & paste )
[02:04] <oslo> any help ?
[02:07] <Darkrift> anyone with a decent connection speed able to find me a link to dl ndiswrapper-1.2-rc1
[02:07] <mahdi> oslo: sounds like permissions issue, this a local server or remote?
[02:08] <Darkrift> surfing is to slow to be usefull with a 10k connection :(
[02:08] <Darkrift> i have a tutorial that says to use that version
[02:08] <Darkrift> but cant find it
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: that tutorial it will work with any version
[02:09] <Darkrift> ok
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: ouch that is slow....is that the limitation of your wireless?
[02:13] <Darkrift> ok, tried 1.46
[02:13] <Darkrift> and now im just getting hundreds of errors when compiling
[02:14] <Darkrift> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/darkrift/ndiswrapper-1.46/utils'
[02:14] <Darkrift> gcc -g -Wall -I../driver -o loadndisdriver loadndisdriver.c
[02:14] <Darkrift> loadndisdriver.c:15:20: error: stdlib.h: No such file or directory
[02:14] <Darkrift> loadndisdriver.c:16:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
[02:14] <Darkrift> and it goes on for a while
[02:14] <Darkrift> lots of missing files, inporper functions etc
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> you don't need to compile the ustils... just the kernel driver
[02:16] <Darkrift> i know
[02:16] <Darkrift> ndiswrapper-1.46/
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> *utils
[02:16] <Darkrift> thats what i compuled
[02:16] <Darkrift> u = i
[02:16] <Darkrift> or tried
[02:17] <Darkrift> following the tutorial but with a different version
[02:17] <Darkrift> sudo tar xvzf ndiswrapper-1.2-rc1
[02:17] <Darkrift> cd /usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2-rc1/
[02:17] <Darkrift> sudo make
[02:17] <Darkrift> sudo make install
[02:17] <Darkrift> got the errors on make
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> oh.. ok.
[02:17] <Darkrift> missing libs?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> so you said "make"
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> ?
[02:17] <Darkrift> yeah
[02:18] <Darkrift> sudo make
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> are you root?
[02:18] <oslo> mahdi> its a local ftp server one
[02:18] <Darkrift> actually, yes
[02:18] <Darkrift> lol
[02:18] <Darkrift> forgot about that
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> ah.. right
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> so what.... you didn't run with sudo?
[02:18] <Darkrift> i did
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> oh ok
[02:19] <Darkrift> i just tried it without and got permission denied
[02:19] <mahdi> oslo: what program is being used to run the server?
[02:19] <Darkrift> first time i typed sudo make
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:20] <oslo> mahdi> don't know
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: question. if you cd'ed to usr/src/ndiswrapper.... why does it say that it was entering home/darkrift/ndiswrapper-1.46/utils?
[02:21] <Darkrift> because i unpacked it in the wrong place
[02:21] <cole> back
[02:21] <Darkrift> does it need to be in usr/src?
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: no it doesn't.. ok
[02:22] <Darkrift> k
[02:22] <mahdi> oslo: well i'm out of ideas, sorry i'm a little busy
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: did you get "build-essential"?
[02:22] <Darkrift> prob not
[02:22] <Darkrift> no idea what it is
[02:22] <oslo> my provider: free.fr give me a modem & a multimedia box, the two are self connected by wifi, when i'm connected to the modem i must reach the multimedia hard drive box by FTP hd1.freebox.fr which is the multimedia box name's domain
[02:22] <cole> so fixing this problem wohuld require>?
[02:23] <Darkrift> installing it now nosrednaekim
[02:23] <Darkrift> gonna take 10 mins to dl
[02:23] <Darkrift> so imma run to the store and get some dr pepper :)
[02:23] <Darkrift> brb abnd thx for helping :)
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> is there a quick way to get the make and model of a motherboard?
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: lshw?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> thats all I can think of
[02:25] <coteyr> hey hows eveyone doing I am thinkin of migrating from fc6 to kubuntu. I have done so on my laptop and I like it.The only 2 things that worry me are vpn access (i have multipul ways though mspptp is the only "supported" one) and ease of server admin. So far I have to say the later is not a big concern
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> never heard of it, let's give it a spin!
[02:25] <coteyr> is there anyone here willing to help out with some vpn access issues
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> I don't even know what vpn is..
[02:25] <coteyr> I have followed this "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-91249.html"
[02:26] <Minataku> Virtual Private Network
[02:26] <coteyr> and this "http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-91249.html"
[02:26] <coteyr> there about the same
[02:26] <Minataku> It's a LAN except established over a WAN
[02:26] <coteyr> i have done everything including restarting (the laptop and the service)
[02:27] <Darkrift> virtual private networking
[02:27] <Darkrift> but thats all i know about it
[02:27] <Darkrift> lol
[02:27] <coteyr> but when I click on the network manager systray thingy (sorry) and go to configure VPN nothing happens
[02:27] <coteyr> no windows no dialogs no nothing
[02:27] <Darkrift> vpn tunnels use the internet to make a private "lan like" connection to the host
[02:28] <coteyr> i have also tried kvpnc
[02:28] <nosrednaekim> ah ok
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> nosrednaekim: that didn't tell me, but it did give me enough to go on to figure it out on the manufacturer's site
[02:28] <coteyr> and i can't get that to work ether though the problems I have with that could be a few dirrent things
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: ok.. good
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> wanted to make sure i didn't just blow $115 on an sata2 drive if it's not supported
[02:29] <Minataku> I just explained that, Darkrift
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> these are usually the kinds of things i would look for FIRST, but i was in a hurry
[02:31] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: finally got around to ordering a replacement drive.  i'd say replacing a 160 with a 500 is acceptable.
[02:31] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Sounds reasonable
[02:31] <Minataku> That's 340MB extra
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> not really, but hey
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> i still have issues with how it's measured in real space and marketspeak
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> and that's gb :P
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> can't believe i missed that :\
[02:34] <cole>
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> GB, too
[02:34] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Heehee
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> whoa, fancy
[02:34] <Minataku> cole: English only here, sorry
[02:34] <Minataku> Nice display, though
[02:34] <Daisuke_Ido> agreed
[02:34] <Sloik> cole: Pretty cool looking. :P
[02:34] <Minataku> Probably supposed to be reading that right to left, no?
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[02:35] <Aresilek> Hello
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> I think it should be <eloc> then ;)
[02:35] <cole> lol
[02:35] <Aresilek> I'm trying to get my dvd to play with vlc from the autorun menu
[02:35] <Sloik> nosrednaekim: That's what I was about to say.
[02:35] <Daisuke_Ido> no, that's the nick he's using, it just looks like "cole" to us
[02:35] <Aresilek> but it comes up with an error...
[02:36] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: Haha
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: lol
[02:36] <Minataku> LRO
[02:36] <Minataku> Left-to-Right Override ;3
[02:36] <cole>
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> kanji
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> which are actually very well represented
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> i'm not aure but I think that says "Vista sucks..."
[02:36] <Minataku>
[02:36] <cole>
[02:36] <BluesKaj> !jp | cole
[02:36] <ubotu> cole:  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[02:36] <Minataku> I beat ya to it, cole
[02:36] <Daisuke_Ido> little cyrillic there...
[02:36] <cole> lol
[02:37] <cole> at least i ment somthing
[02:37] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:37] <Daisuke_Ido> show me !kung and i'll be impressed.
[02:37] <cole> YUChZhEgtsEYuShfSbilmee  what u put
[02:37] <Minataku> Yeah, mine was frantic clicking
[02:37] <BluesKaj> !ch
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <Minataku> !ru
[02:37] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[02:37] <BluesKaj> !ma
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <cole> > Please go to # ubuntu-ru for assistance in Russian
[02:38] <cole> btw it was english
[02:38] <cole> i sied english
[02:38] <cole> ^^
[02:38] <Minataku> Heh
[02:38] <Minataku> Yeah, all I know is English
[02:38] <Minataku> So... yeah XD
[02:38] <BluesKaj> !gr
[02:38] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[02:38] <Minataku> Cool
[02:38] <cole> inglese
[02:38] <cole> !jp
[02:38] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp
[02:38] <Minataku> Hm
[02:38] <Minataku> !sw
[02:38] <Sloik> What's the best web browser in you guys' opinions?
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sw - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <cole> !ar
[02:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:38] <Minataku> !il
[02:38] <ubotu>         :
[02:38] <ubotu> /join #ubuntu-il
[02:38] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:39] <Minataku> Oooh, a bug
[02:39] <Daisuke_Ido> !kr
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kr - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <BluesKaj> what's mandarin and cantonese ?
[02:39] <elementrus86> hello
[02:39] <Minataku> !ch
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <Minataku> Er
[02:39] <cole> !great
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[02:39] <nosrednaekim> hey BluesKaj
[02:39] <Minataku> !cn
[02:39] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:39] <cole> !sp
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[02:39] <cole> !sa
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[02:39] <elementrus86> my ipod only shows up on my system if I boot with it plugged in
[02:39] <BluesKaj> hi nosrednaekim
[02:39] <elementrus86> no other way
[02:39] <cole> !la
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[02:39] <cole> !cl
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[02:39] <Minataku> elementrus86: Problem solved then
[02:39] <elementrus86> lol no
[02:39] <cole> !el
[02:39] <Minataku> Heehee
[02:39] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> stop spamming the channel !!!
[02:39] <Sloik> cole: Could you stop, please?
[02:39] <elementrus86> i cant reboot every time i need my ipod
[02:39] <Minataku> Yeah, stop now
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> !spam
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[02:40] <Minataku> !botabuse
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[02:40] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
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[02:40] <Minataku> Oooh
[02:40] <Minataku> !sex
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[02:40] <Sloik> Could you stop with the bot, please?
[02:40] <Minataku> Haha
[02:40] <elementrus86> dude wtf
[02:40] <elementrus86> stop that
[02:40] <elementrus86> lol
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !botabuse
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[02:40] <Alarm> hello, i got a question, when installing a package. for example amarok, it installs other packages also (ruby for example as a dependency). when removing it again. it removes only the amarok , leaving the rest that was installed (ruby in that case) back. is there a way when i want to remove amarok  (or any other package) to remove also the packages that where installed with it ?
[02:41] <cole> C()l_llcl y()l_l 57()p w17h 73h |3()7, p13453?
[02:41] <elementrus86> lol does kubuntu 6.10 live cd come with a firewall?
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> Alarm: install and remove with amarok
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> OI
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> Alarm: install and remove with aptitude
[02:41] <TroubledGuy> ACTION needs help. He's is an absolute newbie to Linux and Ubuntu; had his XP computer crashed and won't boot (blue scree of death). He hasn't backed up information in 8 months, and when tries to re-install Windows it says that it can't install in the existing partition; which means i need to format my hard drive. When I load kUbuntu and try to click on my hard drive it gives me the error can't find /dev/hda1 in etc/fstab or /etc/mtab -
[02:41] <Daisuke_Ido> mention amarok in the message :\
[02:41] <Minataku> TroubledGuy: Too long
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> sounds like a not-so-pleasant hard drive problem
[02:42] <Alarm> Daisuke_Ido,  aptitute i a command or gui application
[02:42] <TroubledGuy> I feel screwed
[02:42] <BluesKaj> Alarm, try using aptitude to remove pkges , it also removes uneeded dependencies
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> Alarm: a command
[02:42] <cole> Try th1s l33t tr4nsl4t0r.
[02:42] <cole> Typ3 1n h3r3, 4nd s33 th3 w0rds tr4nsl4t3 t0 l33t.
[02:42] <Minataku> Sorry, assisting people is tough work... gotta screw around every so often, ya know?
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> also a curses based console app, but that's neither here nor there
[02:42] <Daisuke_Ido> no.  no leet. it's evil.
[02:42] <Sloik> [19:37]  *** ubuntu__ is now known as TroubledGuy.
[02:42] <Minataku> cole: It's broken
[02:42] <Minataku> It's missing a few
[02:42] <cole> what
[02:43] <Minataku> Like l to 1 and t to 7
[02:43] <TroubledGuy> I've been trying to fix it for the past 3 hours. no luck.
[02:43] <Alarm> so everything that is installed now with apt-get , aptitute cant remove the uneeded dependencies ?
[02:43] <cole> 7 7|-|1$ 337 74|\|$470.
[02:43] <cole> 7p3 1|\| |-|33, 4|\| $33 7|-|3 \/\/0$ 74|\|$473 70 337.
[02:43] <cole> better?
[02:43] <Sloik> Dude, cole, stop the spamming.
[02:43] <Minataku> That's just garbage
[02:43] <Minataku> :P
[02:43] <cole> 100%leet
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> TroubledGuy: if it can't find hda1, look for sda1
[02:43] <Minataku> Nah, that's trash :P
[02:43] <Daisuke_Ido> 100% childish
[02:43] <cole> lol
[02:44] <cole> back to topic
[02:44] <cole> install wont stop and its sloooow
[02:44] <cole> start
[02:44] <cole> **
[02:44] <TroubledGuy> Daisuke_ido: I wish I could. All I know is how to double click on the hard drive that shows in the home screen. It does recognize the volume's name, though, so I think it is the one I want
[02:44] <nzk> will doubling my ram from 512mb to 1gb make any difference in my linux performance?
[02:45] <Minataku> nzk: Yes
[02:45] <Darkkish> so like
[02:45] <Minataku> Maybe not as much of an increase as you'd see in Windows, which sucks
[02:45] <BluesKaj> Minataku, will aptitude remove the unneeded dependencies if installed by apt ...i fail to understand why it wouldn't but I'm still learning too.
[02:45] <Darkkish> on my computer,
[02:45] <Darkkish> x won't start
[02:46] <Darkkish> I have no idea why, it was working fine earlier
[02:46] <Darkrift> ty mucho
[02:46] <Minataku> BluesKaj: I have no idea. It may, but then certain deps may be used by other packages which would make removing them a Bad Idea TM.
[02:46] <Sloik> Darkkish: Doing anything with video drivers or xorg.conf later?
[02:46] <nzk> Minataku, for me ubuntu was faster than windows but when one of my ram  sticks shorted
[02:46] <Sloik> earlier*
[02:46] <Darkrift> build-essential seems to have helped
[02:46] <Minataku> Darkrift: Yeah, Ubuntu thinks you should never be compiling anything, so it gives you nothing to let you do it
[02:47] <Darkrift> ndis built
[02:47] <Darkkish> Sloik, I guess i made some odd change to my NVidia drivers
[02:47] <BluesKaj> yes Minataku , that why i used the word "unneeded"
[02:47] <Darkrift> lol
[02:47] <Minataku> You have to explicitly get it all yourself
[02:47] <Darkkish> but idk what it was >_>
[02:47] <Sloik> Darkkish: That's the problem... I'
[02:47] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Either way, I have no idea, because I use Portage
[02:47] <Sloik> m assuming
[02:47] <weswh-work> I am looking to build a screaming fast Kubuntu workstation - what's my best bet processor wise? Is much software taking advantage of dual core offerings like a Core 2 Duo? (which is 32 bit, i believe?)
[02:47] <Sloik> Darkkish: What did you change?
[02:47] <Minataku> weswh-work: UltraSPARC-III
[02:47] <Darkkish> I don't remember
[02:47] <weswh-work> ideally I'd get something 64bit Dual Core - just don't want to get something that the software doesn't support well.
[02:47] <BluesKaj> hehe, ok Minataku , what is portage ?
[02:47] <Darkkish> it was a command someone gave me, to fix beryl
[02:47] <Minataku> Or UltraSPARC-T1
[02:48] <Minataku> BluesKaj: I'm a Gentoo user
[02:48] <weswh-work> Minataku: those run AMD?
[02:48] <Sloik> Hmm... Well I can't really help you from there... I'm no expert on Linux myself. :P
[02:48] <Minataku> weswh-work: No, those are SPARC chips
[02:48] <Sloik> Sorry
[02:48] <Minataku> I'm half-messing with you
[02:48] <weswh-work> ah...interesting. ok :)
[02:48] <Minataku> As for me, I love Intel if it has to be a PC
[02:48] <Minataku> As for 64bit in a PC... useless
[02:48] <weswh-work> fair enough
[02:49] <Minataku> Stick with 32, or get a 64 and run a 32 OS
[02:49] <BluesKaj> Gentoo user hanging out with Kubuntu ppl ....life must be lonely in gentooland :)
[02:49] <weswh-work> is much in Ubuntu taking advantage of dual core?
[02:49] <Minataku> Nah, I just like to help
[02:49] <Minataku> weswh-work: Considering it's the kernel that takes advantage of such, anything using the Linux kernel will
[02:49] <Minataku> And yes, dual core is the way to go
[02:50] <TroubledGuy> would someone terribly mind helping me mount my windows-crashed c: drive? I'm panicking here. I can explain all the details in private.
[02:50] <weswh-work> I built a freebsd server earlier this year with a 3000 series Dual Core Xeon. I'd be tempted to go that road again.
[02:50] <weswh-work> cool..good to know.
[02:50] <weswh-work> so the kernel, not the individual applications, take control of distributing the CPU load?
[02:50] <Minataku> The kernel runs the whole show
[02:50] <Minataku> But individual apps can be set up to multithread
[02:51] <Minataku> Whether or not the binary packages that are provided do this or not, who knows
[02:51] <Minataku> Personally, I'd go with Gentoo
[02:51] <Minataku> Especially on a brand-new system
[02:51] <Minataku> Plus you seem to know what you're doing
[02:51] <Minataku> So I'd honestly have to completely disapprove of Kubuntu for your uses
[02:52] <weswh-work> heh, I don't know...it's so low maintenance.
[02:52] <Darkrift> damn
[02:52] <Darkrift> so i got ndiswrapper installed
[02:52] <Darkrift> but it doesnt like my drivers :(
[02:52] <Sloik> TroubledGuy: Is the drive NTFS?
[02:53] <OhMyAudi> How do I get the system to shut down when I hit the power button, instead of bringing up the log off dialog???
[02:53] <Darkrift> couldn't find SourceDisksFiles section - continuing anyway...
[02:53] <Darkrift> couldn't get manufacturer section - installation may be incomplete
[02:53] <Darkrift> i get those 2 errors with any driver i pick
[02:53] <weswh-work> when I get on this machine, I want my dual displays, play movies, music, web development, open office etc. Not sure what else I would need. I went to FreeBSD for our server at the office because it was so stripped down and made server maintenance easy for me
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: what does it say?
[02:54] <Darkrift> couldn't find SourceDisksFiles section - continuing anyway...
[02:54] <Darkrift> couldn't get manufacturer section - installation may be incomplete
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> oh never mind
[02:54] <weswh-work> but my only experience with Gentoo was about 3 years ago, and it was a pain :P Of course I know a bit more than I did then.
[02:54] <Darkrift> sudo make
[02:54] <Darkrift> sudo make install
[02:54] <Darkrift> cd /the dir where your windows networkdrivers are/
[02:54] <Darkrift> sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl5 (or other driver name if you have another card)
[02:54] <Darkrift> sudo ndiswrapper -l (making sure the driver is installed)
[02:54] <Darkrift> thats teh tutorial im following
[02:54] <Darkrift> make worked
[02:54] <Darkrift> make install worked
[02:54] <Minataku> weswh-work: It's also no doubt improved as well
[02:54] <weswh-work> all I remember is typing emerge and waiting 2 days. hehe
[02:54] <Darkrift> but installing drivers isnt
[02:54] <Minataku> Heh
[02:55] <Minataku> Yeah, on a shiny new system, you'd wait maybe 7 hours
[02:55] <Minataku> If even that
[02:55] <weswh-work> so you think it makes a good workstation OS?
[02:55] <Minataku> I use it as such
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: wait... you have to specify an inf file
[02:55] <Sloik> Darkrift: Are you typing in the name of the INF file?
[02:55] <Darkrift> no
[02:55] <Darkrift> cause the folder it tells me to go to has no inf files
[02:55] <weswh-work> what advantage does it have over Kubuntu - if the idea is to get a functional KDE environment going
[02:55] <Sloik> That's a problem.
[02:55] <Darkrift> the tut says go to c:\windows\system32\drivers
[02:56] <Darkrift> and the file in that folder is bcmwl6.sys
[02:56] <Darkrift> no inf exist int hat folder :s
[02:56] <Darkrift> so i was confused
[02:56] <Sloik> Darkrift: You need to download the windows drivers for your wireless card...
[02:56] <Darkrift> i do have the driver install folder
[02:56] <Darkrift> that has an inf
[02:56] <Darkrift> and that one says invalid too
[02:56] <Sloik> I don't know what that tutorial is telling you to do...
[02:56] <Sloik> Oh
[02:56] <Minataku> weswh-work: Everything is compiled to your specific system and specifications
[02:56] <Minataku> Instead of to some crusty 486 sitting in the Canonical offices :P
[02:57] <Sloik> So you typed in the exact name of the INF and it still threw an error?
[02:57] <Darkrift> lemme try again
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: you have to put .inf at the end you know
[02:57] <weswh-work> Minataku: yeah, that is true. I guess I see your point there esp. with regard to dual core procs etc.
[02:57] <wuhao> somebody here?
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> wuhao: we never sleep
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> wuhao: there is always someone here
[02:58] <Minataku> Except on Wednesdays
[02:58] <Minataku> Which is today
[02:58] <Sloik> Minataku: Hah
[02:58] <Minataku> So this is all prerecorded
[02:58] <Minataku> Please leave a message at the beep.
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> is there a better audio editor than audacity?
[02:58] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/media/sda1/sp34488$ sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl6.inf
[02:58] <Darkrift> driver bcmwl6 is already installed
[02:58] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/media/sda1/sp34488$
[02:58] <Darkrift> odd
[02:58] <wuhao> somebody can speak Chinese?
[02:58] <Minataku> !cn
[02:58] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> because audacity is starting to irk me
[02:58] <Darkrift> i think i need to remove the fauled ones
[02:58] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: No
[02:58] <wuhao> hehe
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> all i need is good spectral analysis
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: no... its ok... try modprobing ndiswrapper
[02:59] <Darkrift> ooooh
[02:59] <wuhao> my poor English!
[02:59] <Sloik> ndiswrapper -r INF
[02:59] <Darkrift> seems to have worked after removing
[02:59] <Minataku> wuhao: Seems pretty good to me
[02:59] <Sloik> sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:59] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/media/sda1/sp34488$ sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl6.inf
[02:59] <Darkrift> driver bcmwl6 is already installed
[02:59] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/media/sda1/sp34488$ sudo ndiswrapper -r bcmwl6
[02:59] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/media/sda1/sp34488$ sudo ndiswrapper -i bcmwl6.inf
[02:59] <Darkrift> installing bcmwl6 ...
[02:59] <Darkrift> darkrift@HP:/media/sda1/sp34488$
[02:59] <Minataku> Darkrift: Stop that
[02:59] <Sloik> Darkrift: sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[02:59] <Daisuke_Ido> wuhao: your ESL is better than most native speakers'
[02:59] <wuhao> thx
[03:00] <Darkrift> got nothing Sloik
[03:00] <wuhao> very much!
[03:00] <Sloik> It's not supposed to output anything....
[03:00] <Sloik> Your wireless card should start working though.
[03:00] <wuhao> I am a new fisher of Kubuntu!
[03:00] <Darkrift> then it worked! lol
[03:00] <Darkrift> lemme try my speed i guess
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: looks good...  modprobe it, and remove your bcm module
[03:00] <Sloik> try sudo ndiswrapper -l
[03:00] <Darkrift> ooooh
[03:00] <Darkrift> how do i remove my old driver?
[03:00] <Darkrift> its using an alternate driver
[03:01] <Darkrift> bcm43xx
[03:01] <Darkrift> somethign about blacklisting it?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift: a reboot is best, after blacklisting your braodcom driver
[03:01] <Minataku> This is Linux
[03:01] <Minataku> You don't reboot
[03:01] <Darkrift> lol
[03:01] <Minataku> If it works, it works, leave it
[03:01] <Minataku> You're fine
[03:01] <Darkrift> its not working
[03:01] <Minataku>  21:01:36 up 87 days, 16:27,  6 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[03:01] <Darkrift> cause my old driver is loaded
[03:01] <Darkrift> how do i blacklist?
[03:02] <Darkrift> im still fairly new here
[03:02] <Minataku> Darkrift: You used that "sudo ndiswrapper -r" command
[03:02] <Minataku> Try that again
[03:02] <weswh-work> Minataku: speaking of Sparc chips though - some people told me a while back that if I thought FreeBSD was a big improvement over Linux in terms of server use - that I would feel the same way going from FreeBSD to Solaris. any thoughts?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> I have to go... Minataku'll take care of you
[03:02] <Minataku> Perhaps not in the loving, nurtring sense as much as the baseball bat sense
[03:02] <Minataku> j/k
[03:02] <Minataku> weswh-work: Solaris only on SPARC chips
[03:03] <Minataku> That's my personal policy
[03:03] <Darkrift> the -r command remvoes drives rom ndiswrapper right?
[03:03] <Darkrift> illcheck the man pages
[03:03] <Minataku> Darkrift: I guess so. Did it do that before?
[03:03] <Sloik> Darkrift: I'm pretty sure.
[03:03] <Darkrift> yes, i removed all the rest
[03:03] <Minataku> It was part of the stuff you pasted into here
[03:03] <Minataku> lol
[03:03] <Darkrift> but the broadcom drivers arent part of ndiswrapper
[03:03] <Minataku> That's where I got the -r idea XD
[03:03] <Darkrift> they were installed during the kubuntu install
[03:03] <dwidmann> Minataku: why such a policy?
[03:04] <Darkrift> it said i need to blacklist them
[03:04] <Minataku> dwidmann: Use the OS for the chip
[03:04] <Minataku> IRIX for SGI-MIPS
[03:04] <Minataku> Solaris for SPARC
[03:04] <Sloik> Yeah
[03:04] <Sloik> Also
[03:04] <Minataku> Linux for x86
[03:04] <Sloik> do sudo ndiswrapper -m
[03:04] <dwidmann> _64 :)
[03:04] <Minataku> dwidmann: x86_64 should be booted only in x86 mode
[03:04] <Minataku> x86_64 is useless
[03:05] <Darkrift> module configuration already contains alias directive
[03:05] <Minataku> All it provides is trouble
[03:05] <dwidmann> useless? how so?
[03:05] <dwidmann> what trouble?
[03:05] <Sloik> Darkrift: Oh, cool.
[03:05] <Minataku> Various sets of complications
[03:05] <Sloik> Darkrift: Well I'm not sure about blacklisting...
[03:05] <dwidmann> Liiiiiiiike?
[03:05] <Minataku> Regarding incompatibilities and such
[03:05] <Darkrift> ill google it
[03:05] <Darkrift> thx for help guys
[03:05] <Darkrift> afk 3
[03:05] <Minataku> dwidmann: For example, no Flash with 64
[03:05] <Sloik> Darkrift: No problem
[03:05] <dwidmann> Minataku: easily worked around
[03:06] <Minataku> How so?
[03:06] <dwidmann> nspluginwrapper
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there shouldn't have to be a ton of workarounds though :\
[03:06] <Minataku> Still, multicore is where the future is
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> adobe's just stubborn (and/or lazy)
[03:06] <Darkrift> sudo echo blacklist bcm43xx >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[03:06] <Minataku> Not 64 bit
[03:06] <Darkrift> seems thats how you do it :)(
[03:06] <dwidmann> Minataku: multi-core 64-bit :)
[03:06] <Minataku> dwidmann: Only if booted in 32bit mode
[03:06] <Daisuke_Ido> rezound looks like it might be what i'm looking for
[03:07] <Sloik> Darkrift: Cool
[03:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and 64 bit will be useful eventually
[03:07] <Minataku> 64bit has absolutely no true advantage for any common-enough application
[03:07] <dwidmann> Daisuke_Ido: besides, there aren't A TON of work-arounds
[03:07] <dwidmann> only a handful really
[03:07] <Darkrift> now it wants a reboot
[03:07] <Darkrift> brb in afew
[03:07] <Sloik> Darkrift: Alrighty.
[03:07] <Minataku> Daisuke_Ido: I'm sure Microsoft will retard that, given how Win64 is a total piece of shot
[03:08] <Darkrift> how can i reboot linux without going all the way back to grub?
[03:08] <Darkrift> anyone know?
[03:08] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: no doubt
[03:08] <dwidmann> Minataku: no kidding, I tried installing that once. Just to see how it would behave. Worthless POS is the only term I could find for it.
[03:08] <Minataku> Darkrift: It's a reboot
[03:08] <Darkrift> ok
[03:08] <Minataku> You have to restart the entire system :P
[03:08] <dwidmann> 64-bit linux is for the most part pretty solid though
[03:09] <raymond> i have what is a really dumb question concerning BASH scripting
[03:10] <raymond> how do i take output save it to a file in a certain format and have it append new information to the file
[03:10] <dwidmann> raymond, feel free to ask it.
[03:10] <raymond> ?
[03:11] <dwidmann> example: ls $HOME > newfile
[03:11] <dwidmann> followup of example: ls /home >> newfile
[03:12] <dwidmann> formatting it could be considerably trickier
[03:12] <Minataku> Have the output already be in proper format
[03:13] <Minataku> Then use >> to append to an existing file
[03:13] <raymond> i have to save first and last name to the file. they are set a variables ($FNAME and $LNAME) but they have to be last name first then first name
[03:13] <Minataku> This sounds like an assignment
[03:13] <raymond> it is
[03:13] <Minataku> We don't help people cheat
[03:13] <raymond> i  missed tthe class and the book doesnt explain
[03:13] <raymond> it doesnt explain how to format the text in the file
[03:14] <raymond> i know how to actually create the file
[03:14] <raymond> just the formatting part
[03:14] <Minataku> I'd format it before putting it in the file
[03:14] <Minataku> Trying to do it afterwards would be stupid
[03:14] <dwidmann> indeed, doing it afterwards would probably involve moving it to a new file in the process
[03:14] <Minataku> Unless you created an intermediary output file, formatted what's in there then appended it's contents
[03:18] <raymond> well the instructions don't specify order so i'll just have the user input them properly and then append it to the file. then i'll just ask my instructor how i could have done it if the order was backwards. probably could write an if/elif statement but that seems to complicated for this assignment
[03:19] <Minataku> Good luck with it either way :3
[03:19] <raymond> thank you
[03:19] <Minataku> np
[03:20] <dwidmann> Personally I wouldn't do it in bash ... I'd probably do it in perl or python ... but that'd defeat the purpose of the assignment
[03:20] <Minataku> Sorry for accusing you of trying to cheat at first XD
[03:20] <raymond> thats no problem i'm sure people try to do it that way
[03:21] <raymond> i want to learn and unfortunatly my text doesnt always cover what my instructor does
[03:21] <Minataku> me nods
[03:21] <Minataku> >.<
[03:21] <Aresilek> why isn't this vlc playing the dvds from autorun??? :-S
[03:21] <dwidmann> raymond: google does though :)
[03:22] <raymond> that was going to be my next stop
[03:22] <raymond> there probably is a stupid simple way to do it,and probably says so in this book and i'm just not reading it correctly. overthinking it
[03:23] <Aresilek> why is it that vlc will play fine in i enter "wxvlc -f dvd:///dev/scd0" into the terminal. but if I add it to autorun it doesn't work?
[03:24] <dwidmann> Aresilek: not sure, I've been having the same problem
[03:25] <Aresilek> :-O
[03:25] <Aresilek> dwidmann: it's really weird isn't
[03:25] <raymond> i'm retarded. all i need to do is echo the variables for the names in the proper porder and output it to a file (echo $LNAME $FNAME >> names.txt)
[03:25] <Aresilek> dwidmann: obviously autorun does some different than the terminal run
[03:25] <raymond> see overthinking the problem
[03:25] <dwidmann> Aresilek: I'm having the same problem, except with DVDs that is, but the same problem none-the-less
[03:26] <zarilion> Hey. How do i unmount a harddrive in terminal ?
[03:26] <Aresilek> dwidmann: my problem is with dvds too, i should have mentions that :-S
[03:26] <dwidmann> raymond, see the results of that first, it depends on the contents of the variables, are there more than one in the variables?
[03:27] <Minataku> zarilion: "sudo umount <device or mount point>"
[03:27] <raymond> well the whole script asks for your first and last name. then using read i store the first and last name in a variable ($FNAME for the first and $LNAME for the last name)
[03:27] <dwidmann> Aresilek: yeah, it's weird, because it doens't have the same problem with kaffeine
[03:27] <zarilion> Minataku: Thank you :)
[03:27] <Minataku> zarilion: np
[03:27] <dwidmann> raymond: ah, so I was overthinking the problem
[03:27] <raymond> so was i
[03:28] <raymond> knew it had to be something simple. he wouldnt have us doing anything too complicated
[03:28] <raymond> thanks for your help though
[03:28] <Darkrift411> ok
[03:29] <Darkrift411> that killed my wifi
[03:29] <Darkrift411> so im back to vista :(
[03:29] <Darkrift411> i get claustrophobic with no internet access
[03:29] <Darkkish_Box> well
[03:29] <Darkkish_Box> linux problem sare gone
[03:30] <Darkkish_Box> kinda bored.
[03:30] <Darkrift411> fix mine
[03:30] <Darkrift411> lol
[03:30] <dwidmann> Darkrift411: perhaps you'd have better luck with a different wifi card?
[03:30] <Darkrift411> well
[03:30] <Darkrift411> this is a laptop
[03:30] <Darkrift411> so short of $30
[03:30] <Darkrift411> thats not easy to do
[03:30] <Darkkish_Box> Darkrift411: try a USB wif card..
[03:31] <Darkkish_Box> on second thought
[03:31] <Darkkish_Box> i don't recommend that
[03:31] <Darkrift411> i need ot find out how to fix what i just did
[03:32] <Darkrift411> so at least i have slow internet
[03:32] <Darkrift411> lol
[03:32] <Darkrift411> i made a text file with the ndis errors on bootup
[03:32] <Darkrift411> but its on teh linux partition
[03:32] <Darkrift411> and i dont know how to get it in vista :(
[03:32] <Darkkish_Box> uh
[03:32] <Darkkish_Box> hold that thought
[03:32] <dwidmann> Darkrift411: in all probablility you can't get to it in vista
[03:32] <Darkkish_Box> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[03:33] <Darkrift411> figured
[03:33] <Darkkish_Box> try that
[03:33] <Darkrift411> maybe unblacklisting the old driver would work
[03:33] <Darkrift411> problem is
[03:33] <Darkrift411> i cant get to teh web pages that told me what i was doing now
[03:33] <Darkrift411> lol
[03:34] <jtt> Darkkish, use a live cd to xfer it to vista
[03:34] <Darkkish_Box> hmm?
[03:37] <sthompson> Can someone check a possible KDE bug? I'm not sure if this is a Kubuntu issue or a KDE issue
[03:37] <sthompson> Copy an OpenOffice document to the desktop and see if it becomes transparent
[03:37] <zarilion> Im having some problems with the NTFS Configuration tool, i mounted my other HDD in a new place just now but cant read it from my user, only root, when i try to change permissions it wont let me. Even in root. When i try to use NFTS config tool it just tells me that it cant do anything with the drive since its mounted somewhere else now :(
[03:37] <apol> sthompson: I tried it some time ago, it happens
[03:38] <sthompson> KDE or Kubuntu
[03:38] <apol> kde
[03:38] <jtt> sthompson, i also have had that problem
[03:38] <apol> but you can send it to launchpad as well
[03:38] <sthompson> I filed a bug report today and I didn't see any other bugs that matched. THANKS
[03:38] <jtt> sthompson, kde or Kub  anyones guess
[03:39] <sthompson> Well, if it happens on another distro then i'd say it's a KDE bug. Trying to determine if it's Kubuntu specific
[03:39] <nepsmthng> does anybody has any idea about installing durpal on ubuntu
[03:39] <nepsmthng> ?
[03:42] <Darkrift411> damnit
[03:42] <Darkrift411> im pissed
[03:42] <Darkrift411> if i go back to kubuntu to try to fix it, im on my own with no internet
[03:42] <Darkrift411> if i stay here where i have help, i cant try anything
[03:42] <Aresilek> How is a program run differently in autorun, than in the shell?
[03:42] <sthompson> I'll check the launchpad. Thanks!
[03:42] <Darkrift411> i wish someone had created a package to install that would rix it
[03:43] <Darkrift411> rix = fix
[03:44] <nepsmthng> which wifi card do u have?
[03:44] <sthompson> see ya.
[03:45] <Darkrift411> its the broadcom
[03:45] <Darkrift411> forgot model
[03:45] <RawSewage> whats the command line to clear a playlist in Amarok
[03:46] <zarilion> anyone know why i cant change permissions for a HDD ?
[03:46] <nepsmthng> that always sucks
[03:46] <nepsmthng> i had a trouble once
[03:46] <Aresilek> How do I get it so kubuntu runs a command in the shell whenever a dvd is inserted?
[03:47] <Darkrift411> i cant find the model of the chipset
[03:48] <Darkkish> what is the best multi-im client?
[03:48] <zarilion> i like kopete
[03:48] <Darkkish> ew
[03:48] <Darkkish> i don't :(
[03:49] <nepsmthng>  ru using 7.04/
[03:49] <zarilion> try gaim.. or what ever its called these days
[03:49] <Dragnslcr> Repository still has Gaim 2.0beta
[03:50] <zarilion> ok
[03:50] <Darkkish> how can i update my repo for the newest gaim and the newest Thunderbird
[03:50] <zarilion> check the web page of pedgin or what its called. not in deb yet, someone needs to make a .deb package of it first i guess
[03:51] <Darkrift411> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodinfoCategory?lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=3340118&lang=en# <---- thats the laptop i have, but i cant find the wireless chipset model anywhere
[03:51] <Dragnslcr> If they aren't in the repository, there's nothing you can do to change that
[03:51] <Dragnslcr> Well, short of taking over as the maintainer
[03:51] <Dragnslcr> You can install them manually if you really want to
[03:51] <Darkkish> pidgin looks nice
[03:52] <Dragnslcr> It's pretty good
[03:52] <Darkkish> Dragnslcr: i hate installing things manually
[03:52] <Darkkish> i have no idea how to do it properly
[03:52] <Dragnslcr> Couple things it does better than Kopete, but Gaim's been around a lot longer
[03:53] <Dragnslcr> I would guess that within a year or two Kopete will be as good as Pidgin, if not better
[03:54] <Minataku> Yeah, you have to get the debs from them and such
[03:54] <Minataku> Because Ubuntu handles the repositories in a rather stupid manner
[03:54] <Darkrift411> damnit
[03:54] <Darkrift411> this sucks
[03:54] <Aresilek> How do I get it so kubuntu runs a command in the shell whenever a dvd is inserted?
[03:54] <Minataku> You know what else sucks?  Just right click, install deb?
[04:02] <eljefe> cole and Darkrift -sorry guys i got hung up, cannot work right now
[04:02] <Darkrift411> not a problem eljefe
[04:02] <eljefe> yes :)
[04:02] <eljefe> ok bye
[04:02] <Darkrift411> others have been helpfull
[04:02] <Darkrift411> ty
[04:02] <eljefe> cool
[04:02] <Darkkish> i can't find it using katapault or my menu
[04:03] <jtt> dpkg -i  filename.deb  installs  .deb pkg
[04:04] <Darkkish> dpg: error
[04:05] <jason_> has anyone used Envy to install nvidia/ati drivers before?
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: hey... did everything work with your wireles?
[04:06] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: that was Qb_Master's wireless and my current assumption is no not yet
[04:06] <Darkkish> lol
[04:06] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: I'm getting dpkg errors
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> qb_master's?
[04:07] <ray_> hello
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> hello
  where are you from
[04:10] <Darkkish> !pastebin
[04:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:10] <Aresilek> How do I get it so kubuntu runs a command in the shell whenever a dvd is inserted?
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> coffeefoam: umm why?
[04:11] <Darkkish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/24527/ i get this when trying to do dpkg
[04:12] <Darkrift411> ok, back to kubuntu to try some more crap
[04:12] <Darkrift411> afk a bit
[04:12] <coffeefoam> what is umm mean?
[04:12] <coffeefoam> sorry i can't understant what you said, nosrednaekim.
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> coffeefoam: why do you want to know?
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: you are trying to overwrite a file owned by GAIM I beleive... do you have GAIM installed?
[04:14] <Darkkish> um yeah.
[04:14] <Darkkish> should I uninstall it?
[04:15] <coffeefoam> I am curious about you. If you don't tell with me , it dosen't matter. sorry
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> coffeefoam: ok.. i'm in the USA.
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: yeah.
[04:15] <coffeefoam> kubuntu is very clearly, I like it.
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> coffeefoam: just wondering.
[04:16] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: still getting the error.
[04:16] <coffeefoam> nosrednaekim i'm in the China
[04:16] <Darkkish> um
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: look around for a "nm"
[04:17] <coffeefoam>  do you work with ubuntu, nosrednaekim?
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> coffeefoam: not really.
[04:17] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: how am i supposed to use dpkg?
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: "sudo dpkg -i <package  file>
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: I think there is a way to force though.
[04:18] <Darkkish> oh.
[04:18] <Darkkish> lol
[04:18] <Darkkish> i'm stupid
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> i'm looking for where nm comes from.
[04:19] <coffeefoam> you can "man dpkg", read this document for you
[04:19] <Darkkish> no i know what my problem is
[04:19] <Darkkish> thanks
[04:19] <Darkkish> wait nope
[04:19] <Darkkish> i was wrong
[04:19] <coffeefoam> nosrednaekim, "no really" what thats mean?
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: where did you get this pidgin deb from?
[04:21] <Darkkish> uh
[04:21] <Darkkish> some website >_>
[04:21] <Darkkish> i right clicked and tried installing
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: yeah.....what website?
[04:21] <Darkkish> just in the menu
[04:21] <Darkkish> idk if that worked or not
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> coffeefoam: i'm not.
[04:21] <Darkkish> nope it didn't
[04:21] <Darkkish> okay
[04:22] <Darkkish> http://www.letshaveadream.com/2007/05/16/pidgin-deb-package/
[04:22] <coffeefoam> nosrednaekim, do you like perl?
[04:23] <darkrift> when all else fails
[04:23] <darkrift> go wired, go wired
[04:23] <darkrift> its your birfday
[04:24] <Darkkish2> right on :p
[04:24] <darkrift> anyone here really good with ndiswrapper?
[04:24] <darkrift> im still having a hell of a time
[04:24] <Darkkish2> not at all
[04:24] <Darkkish2> but
[04:24] <Darkkish2> there is a gui  utility for it
[04:24] <mike_> Beryl runs nice in Kubuntu
[04:24] <darkrift> when i do ndiswrapper -l (list)
[04:24] <Darkkish2> idk if it works
[04:24] <darkrift> i get this
[04:24] <darkrift> bcmwl6 : driver installed
[04:24] <darkrift>         device (14E4:4311) present (alternate driver: bcm43xx)
[04:24] <Darkkish2> dude
[04:24] <Darkkish2> use bwlcutter
[04:24] <Darkkish2> or w/e it's called bcmcutter or something
[04:24] <Darkkish2> it works way better
[04:24] <darkrift> im guessing that means there is a second driver already loaded causing probs
[04:24] <darkrift> fwcutter
[04:24] <darkrift> and i tried it
[04:24] <tuly> tt
[04:24] <darkrift> my internet was limted to 10k
[04:25] <Darkkish2> worked for me >_> after quiet a hard time
[04:25] <Darkkish2> oh
[04:25] <darkrift> and im on a 10mb connection
[04:25] <darkrift> with 54mb wifi :S
[04:25] <darkrift> bottleneck was definatly the drivers
[04:25] <Darkkish2> your internet isn't that fast
[04:25] <Darkkish2> lol
[04:25] <darkrift> yes it is
[04:25] <Darkkish2> orly?
[04:25] <Darkkish2> have you ever downloaded something at >10mb/s
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> darkrift: did you blacklist your bcm module?
[04:26] <Darkkish> nosrednaekim: http://www.letshaveadream.com/2007/05/16/pidgin-deb-package/ that is the website
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> darkrift: run this "lsmod | grep bcm"
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: well as you can see... this is his first debian package.
[04:28] <Darkkish> what? lol
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: not very professional.. I wouldn't use it/
[04:28] <Darkkish> oh
[04:28] <Darkkish> yeah okay
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> look around some more.. I saw one around somewhere.
[04:29] <Darkkish2> i found a repo
[04:29] <Darkkish2> should i try that?
[04:29] <darkrift_> damnit
[04:29] <darkrift_> friggen lag
[04:29] <darkrift_> go for it
[04:29] <darkrift_> you only live once
[04:29] <Aresilek> dwidmann: if your still here I got it to work
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> Darkkish: where?
[04:30] <coffeefoam> join
[04:30] <Darkkish> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437239
[04:30] <Darkkish> i don't know how to add the key thing
[04:30] <dwidmann> Aresilek: ooooh, do tell
[04:31] <Aresilek> the command i used was: wxvlc -f dvd:///dev/scd0 %u
[04:31] <dwidmann> Darkkish: download the key, then "sudo apt-key add FILE"
[04:31] <Aresilek> dwidmann:  the command i used was: wxvlc -f dvd:///dev/scd0 %u
[04:32] <dwidmann> Aresilek: ah, so adding %u to the end made it work
[04:32] <Aresilek> yup :-)
[04:32] <dwidmann> Aresilek: thanks for the discovery, I owe you one :)
[04:32] <Aresilek> dwidmann: i think vlc just ignores the extra arguments :-P
[04:33] <dwidmann> Aresilek: hmm, might
[04:33] <Aresilek> dwidmann: nah, u don't owe me anything :-)
[04:33] <darkrift_> oh shit
[04:33] <darkrift_> i just ran adept to upgrade all the upgradeable stuff
[04:33] <darkrift_> and all of the suden i get a warning
[04:34] <darkrift_> "Power manager" Your battery has been removed!
[04:34] <darkrift_> power remaining 0%
[04:36] <faidillinger> re
[04:37] <darkrift_> ok
[04:37] <darkrift_> so im still nowhere :(
[04:37] <darkrift_> and now my battery isnt detected :)(0
[04:39] <crackhead_25> question: how do i test my printer to see if it's working in its current setup on kubuntu? it was working yesterday, but now when i click print, it seems to send the signal, but the printer doesn't respond or print..
[04:40] <crackhead_25> anyone know why that might be, as well?
[04:40] <crackhead_25> was there a recent cups update or something which might have messed things up?
[04:40] <crackhead_25> how could i roll back any changes of the last week in cups or something?
[04:41] <darkrift_> ok
[04:41] <darkrift_> who here knows how to completely remove a device
[04:41] <darkrift_> and all its drivers
[04:41] <Darkkish2> hey i like pidgen
[04:42] <darkrift_> i wanna start all over with my wifi care
[04:42] <darkrift_> card*
[04:42] <stumpleit> I am having big problems getting my ATI radeon 1600 that is in my macbook pro to work, could someone maybe send me a link or some advice?
[04:43] <jontec> dark_rift_: there should be a command with ndiswrapper to uninstall the module...
[04:44] <jontec> dark_rift_: I installed my card with the ndiswrapper tarballs from the official site... (I try not to use the ones with ubuntu, though they could work fine)
[04:44] <darkrift_> im talking more then just ndiswrapper
[04:44] <darkrift_> i have fwcutter
[04:44] <jontec> darkrift_: well, yeah, but this is a first step
[04:44] <jontec> darkrift_: I have no idea what fwcutter is
[04:45] <darkrift_> it takes the firmware from windows drivers
[04:45] <darkrift_> it was on a few tuts
[04:46] <stumpleit> I am having big problems getting my ATI radeon 1600 that is in my macbook pro to work, could someone maybe send me a link or some advice?
[04:47] <jontec> hmm... I've never used it (obviously)... I think that you have to remove the kernel modules that were created for your card... but I can talk in that depth
[04:47] <jontec> if no one else can help you here ask it in #ubuntu
[04:48] <jontec> 'should be more people watching
[04:48] <stumpleit> no one is answering there either lol
[04:48] <intelikey> what when where ?
[04:48] <jontec> T_T where is everyone!?! lol.
[04:49] <jontec> yay!, that guy can probably help
[04:49] <jontec> (intellikey)
[04:49] <jontec> minus one 'l'
[04:50] <intelikey> who how why ?
[04:51] <jontec> intelikey:  <stumpleit> I am having big problems getting my ATI radeon 1600 that is in my macbook pro to work, could someone maybe send me a link or some advice?
[04:51] <ace_suares> !ati
[04:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:51] <jontec> intelikey:  <darkrift_> who here knows how to completely remove a device
[04:51] <intelikey> 'dares a link ^
[04:51] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know if there was a recent cups update??
[04:53] <intelikey> darkrift_ remove a device ?     you can use modprobe -r to remove some modules...  you can power off and take the hardware out of the case      what do you mean "remove a device" ?
[04:53] <Darkkish2> pidgen keeps like dying when i click.
[04:53] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know how to roll back a recent adept update of cups which might have messed up my printing abilities??
[04:54] <intelikey> crackhead_25 grep cups /var/log/dpkg*     should tell if there was an update
[04:55] <intelikey> crackhead_25 you "wal-mart" to a recent version by installing the specific version...
[04:55] <intelikey> errr   'roll back'
[04:55] <stumpleit> okay i have another wierd problem when i start X my mouse moves all over the place by itself how can I fix that?
[04:56] <compilerwriter> intelikey that was not fair.
[04:56] <Dr_willis> it jumps around - then settles down?
[04:56] <intelikey> that sounds like a driver/configuration issue on the mouse.
[04:56] <intelikey> compilerwriter ?
[04:57] <stumpleit> Dr_willis not its not settling down
[04:57] <compilerwriter> Wal-Mart for roll-back.  What if crackhead had just finished a bowl?  He would have had no chance at figuring it out.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> stumpleit,  i would have to guess that your device entry for the mouse in xorg.conf is incorrect then.
[04:58] <intelikey> compilerwriter that's why i left the clue-by-four lying there.
[04:59] <intelikey> figured it beet a troot
[05:00] <intelikey> compilerwriter but if you're saying "don't play"  then just say "don't play" and i'll stop.
[05:01] <billytwowilly> anybody wanna update the packages for gretl? They're pretty stale..
[05:01] <gellioth> #el-bar-del-plug
[05:02] <compilerwriter> no I am not saying don't play, but that one was a bit esoteric
[05:02] <gellioth> #kubuntu-es
[05:02] <intelikey> :)
[05:02] <intelikey> hehhe
[05:03] <compilerwriter> cheers intelikey
[05:03] <compilerwriter> night all
[05:03] <intelikey> cheers      hehhe
[05:03] <Darkkish> how do i switch between desktops with key commands?
[05:04] <intelikey> is it ctrl+rrow key  ?
[05:04] <intelikey> i think my a is dirty.
[05:05] <intelikey> i have a dirty a     or a week pinky...
[05:05] <Darkkish> not working for me
[05:05] <intelikey> darkkish    well run khotkeys and see what it's set to
[05:06] <Darkkish> guess it crashed
[05:06] <Darkkish> ugh
[05:11] <White_Lightning> Ok, so knetworkmanager is being a bitch. It won't list any wireless networks (I know that I'm connected, I'll get to that) and it won't let me change the manual stuff.  The problem is that A. I can't select the network I want B. It's not listing the networks that are in the building (and there are several) C. it
[05:11] <White_Lightning> won't let me change settings the way it should and D. it's picking networks on it's own.  It won't list any wireless networks (I know that I'm connected, I'll get to that) and it won't let me change the manual stuff.  The problem is that A. I can't select the network I want B. It's not listing the networks that are in the building (and there are several) C. it
[05:14] <White_Lightning> won't let me change settings the way it should and D. it's picking networks on it's own. Any ideas?
[05:14] <intelikey> !wifi | steve   best i can do is point you at this.
[05:14] <ubotu> steve   best i can do is point you at this.: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:14] <intelikey> and don't repete
[05:14] <savetheWorld> its becoming sentient!  Destroy it now before it becomes self aware!
[05:14] <tzbishop> how can i install mplayerplug-in on firefox32 (ubuntu 64 amd)??
[05:14] <White_Lightning> didn't mean to repeat I was copying it for the other chan
[05:18] <darkrift> odd
[05:18] <darkrift> i installed beryl
[05:18] <intelikey> just a thought but have you tried switching channels and hitting the up arrow   in place of copy and paste ?
[05:18] <darkrift> but its not loading :s
[05:18] <darkrift> i can change settings and themes, but noithing happens
[05:18] <intelikey> !beryl
[05:18] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:27] <darkrift> !beryl
[05:27] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:38] <intelikey> well, one test would be to run something like >>> echo "$(:(){ :& ; };y)" <<< and see if it did.   it probably wont though...    and >>> grep -ie OOM /boot/config-`uname -r` <<< would much safer.
[05:39] <intelikey> oooops  sorry channel.
[05:39] <Tm_T> intelikey: :p
[05:40] <intelikey> yeah too many things going on at one time...
[05:41] <darkrift> anyone able to help me install teh nvidia driver ?
[05:43] <intelikey> :(){ echo "$@" ; }
[05:43] <intelikey> crap
[05:43] <intelikey> darkrift did you look at the wiki ?
[05:43] <intelikey> !ati
[05:43] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:44] <darkrift> ill mess around with it
[05:44] <darkrift> worst comes to worst, i reinstall :)
[05:44] <intelikey> oh not for a vidio driver....
[05:44] <intelikey> reinstall for that is so... "window'ish"
[05:45] <darkrift> yeah... i wouldnt be able to fix it without help
[05:45] <intelikey> worst case  you reload xorg
[05:45] <darkrift> i couldnt know how to do that without step by step
[05:45] <darkrift> and without x working
[05:45] <darkrift> ...
[05:45] <darkrift> i installed it with adept package mgr
[05:45] <darkrift> says its installed
[05:46] <darkrift> do i need a reboot now?
[05:46] <darkrift> i installed nvidia-glx
[05:46] <intelikey> without X working you use irssi  or  BitchX and come in here for help  :)
[05:46] <darkrift> hrmmmm
[05:46] <darkrift> thanx
[05:46] <darkrift> thats good to knmow :)
[05:46] <darkrift> if it crashes
[05:46] <darkrift> how do i get to commadn line?
[05:46] <intelikey> ah you run a glxconfig -enable   or something    and then reboot  ?
[05:47] <intelikey> i'm not real sure.    i failed that class.  my card is not supported
[05:47] <intelikey> a command line    konsole
[05:47] <intelikey> !konsole
[05:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:47] <darkrift> if x doesnt load though?
[05:47] <darkrift> how do i boot to console without x
[05:48] <intelikey> if x doesn't load you will be in a "console"    you don't "get a command line" you login.
[05:48] <darkrift> i c
[05:48] <darkrift> cool
[05:48] <darkrift> here goes
[05:48] <darkrift> wish me luck
[05:48] <darkrift> lol
[05:48] <darkrift> cmd not found
[05:48] <darkrift> lol
[05:49] <intelikey> to view the console/s now.   ctrl+alt+f1  or f2 or f3...6   alt+f7  to get back to your GUI
[05:49] <darkrift> i should have RTFM
[05:49] <darkrift> o enable the driver, run "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable"
[05:49] <intelikey> that's it.
[05:49] <intelikey> i had part of it right  :)
[05:49] <darkrift> next q, how do you restart x without rebooting?
[05:50] <darkrift> i know theres a way!
[05:50] <darkrift> lol
[05:50] <intelikey> ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:50] <intelikey> hmmm should i have told him that was the express elevator ???
[05:51] <darkrift> ugggg
[05:51] <darkrift> my res is foooked
[05:51] <darkrift> but it worked
[05:51] <darkrift> i can see a difference  (not for the good soo far)
[05:51] <intelikey> repost    ^^^ > hmmm should i have told him that was the express elevator ???
[05:51] <darkrift> crap
[05:52] <darkrift> now i lost my widescreen res
[05:52] <darkrift> everything looks slightly blurry now too
[05:53] <haiyah> hi i need help on rebuilding array on adaptec raid controller.. i got 5 harddisks of 500gb, but its in degraded mode.. i'm on linux but it just won't rebuild by itself
[05:53] <haiyah>  even bought new harddisk and replace the one that is greyed out but it jus won't rebuild or no options to choose
[05:53] <haiyah> i'm on ubuntu is there anything i can do
[05:53] <dwidmann> intelikey: hehe, express elivator
[05:53] <darkrift> oh crap
[05:53] <darkrift> i ran beryl
[05:53] <darkrift> it ran without white screen of death
[05:53] <darkrift> but now my windows dont have title bars!
[05:55] <haiyah> what's ctrl-alt-esc ? how do i make the taskbar list out like in windows ctrl-alt-del ?
[05:55] <jriachi> hello
[05:55] <dwidmann> haiyah: ctrl + alt + escape = xkill, you get the skull and crossbones cursor and any app that you click dies.
[05:56] <dwidmann> haiyah: to get the process list, press ctrl + escape (without alt)
[05:56] <StErGi0s> hello.i have a theme *.kth how do i install it?
[05:56] <intelikey> haiyah khotkeys can change those things if you want.
[05:56] <intelikey> !theme
[05:56] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[05:57] <intelikey> !changethemes
[05:57] <ubotu> To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[05:57] <jriachi> can you recommend me a good irc client?  i am using kvirc, but it has some bugs :S
[05:58] <stdin> konversation
[05:58] <stdin> it rocks
[05:58] <intelikey> depends on your definition of "good"
[05:58] <intelikey> i think bx is good
[05:59] <jriachi> mmm.. gui and allowing connections to diferent servers
[05:59] <ses1959_> question about cost to install power supply  I just wanted to know what it might cost to install a power supply labor?  I have the parts
[05:59] <intelikey> ok Xbx  :)
[06:00] <stdin> jriachi: konversation will do that
[06:00] <jriachi__> i am testing konversation
[06:00] <dwidmann> ses1959_: someone could charge whatever they wanted really, but it shouldn't be too much. Sure you don't wnat to do it yourself? It'd be relatively easy
[06:00] <intelikey> ses1959_ i normally get about $10 us  for that.
[06:00] <jriachi> yes, you are testing konversation, jriachi__
[06:01] <stdin> talking to yourself? :p
[06:01] <ses1959_> ok thank you i checked one place and it cost 159.00 plus parts for them
[06:01] <jriachi__> :p
[06:01] <intelikey> first sign of geekism stdin
[06:01] <ses1959_> way over then
[06:02] <jriachi__> i think i like konversation
[06:02] <ses1959_> i work on the side and have beening trying to get a good cost table put together for repairs
[06:02] <jriachi__> (i am not a geek!)
[06:02] <jriachi> (yes, you are!)
[06:02] <intelikey> second sign  talks too self about self...
[06:03] <stdin> a (not so sober) geek, so support is directed to intelikey
[06:03] <intelikey> G thanks.
[06:04] <intelikey> :)
[06:04] <stdin> kvirc is no longer maintained anyway
[06:04] <Liasno> can anyone help me when i start beryl-manager and try to switch to the beryl desktop i get the error checking for xcomposite exnteion : failed, how can I fix this I have a ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
[06:04] <jriachi__> hmmm.. in konversation can i enter in "conference mode", i.e. not seeing the joins/parts/nick changes (or seeing them in a splited window)?
[06:04] <intelikey> isn't there a fork?  something like  kirc ?
[06:05] <stdin> not sure, I just know that kvirc is dead now
[06:05] <stdin> besides konversation is much better
[06:05] <darkrift> well
[06:06] <jriachi__> hmmm... 4 months without changes in the SVN
[06:09] <jriachi__> i found the option of no joins/parts/nick... no splited window.. but that is ok :)
[06:09] <secleinteer> hi, does anyone know how to get firefox working in vnc....i'm running kubuntu feisty
[06:09] <intelikey> jriachi i think jriachi__  is talking to you again....
[06:10] <jriachi__> :)
[06:15] <darkrift> !beryl
[06:15] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:16] <dwidmann> secleinteer: hmm, I seem to have no trouble running apps in VNC via the programs krfb and krdc ...
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> hello everyone!
[06:16] <MilhousePunkRock> I am desperately trying to enable mouse gestures for konqueror
[06:17] <intelikey> in gshadow  " scanner:!:: "   what does "!"  do ?
[06:17] <stdin> not a clue
[06:18] <jriachi__> disables the login
[06:18] <intelikey> seems to be options of "!,*,x"  and i don't see what ! does...
[06:19] <intelikey> jriachi__ ?   groups don't login do they ?
[06:19] <jriachi__> i think you can login into a group, but i dont know how
[06:20] <jriachi__> man gpasswd
[06:22] <intelikey> so the passwd is only used to join the group  hmmm learn something ever month.
[06:22] <mikes1> i have the "cude" enabled in beryl,How can I add beryl pic to black sides of the cube?
[06:22] <intelikey> used to be every day....   wonder what happened...
[06:23] <MilhousePunkRock> mikes1: --> #beryl
[06:23] <intelikey> or #ubuntu-effects
[06:23] <intelikey> affects
[06:24] <intelikey> !beryl
[06:24] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:24] <intelikey> e
[06:24] <Tm_T> intelikey: here, have some coffee
[06:24] <intelikey> :)
[06:24] <intelikey> ty
[06:25] <MilhousePunkRock> So what about my Konqueror mouse gestures now?
[06:29] <MilhousePunkRock> Nevermind, I clicked "reset" instead of "apply" in system settings..
[06:30] <eljefe> does anyone know how i can test/check my hardware
[06:31] <eljefe> like a cron job or even just a program right now, or a /proc/* or /dev/* think i can cat?
[06:31] <eljefe> other than dmesg
[06:32] <intelikey> eljefe lshw  ?
[06:33] <intelikey> eljefe not sure what you want.....  ?
[06:33] <eljefe> will that give me current errors/issues?
[06:33] <intelikey> no.
[06:33] <intelikey> what do you want to test ?
[06:33] <eljefe> i want to know if my computer has a problem since it sounds like a squeek is coming out
[06:33] <intelikey> please don't say "the computer"
[06:33] <eljefe> lol
[06:33] <intelikey> :)
[06:33] <darkrift> ok
[06:34] <darkrift> as soon as i ran beryl again, they dissapeared
[06:34] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know how to setup kubuntu to allow remote desktop sharing, i.e. my laptop connecting from another state to my desktop to see what's on the desktop?
[06:34] <darkrift> erm, wrong chan
[06:34] <eljefe> ok my computer has been making a lot of noise lately, so something is bad.  last night, my powersupply died, and i replaced it.  now i think the same sound is still present, so i want to see if some motherboard sensor notices anything.
[06:34] <intelikey> crackhead_25 ssh vnc freenx
[06:35] <darkrift> prob a cpu fan or your hd
[06:35] <darkrift> 2 main things taht make noise in there
[06:35] <intelikey> eljefe yeah fans.
[06:35] <darkrift> dying fan can kill your cpu
[06:35] <eljefe> :( thats what i want to test, if there are such tests...
[06:35] <darkrift> check that fast
[06:35] <darkrift> cause a dying fan can kill a psu too
[06:35] <intelikey> fan is #1
[06:35] <darkrift> open it and run it while its open
[06:35] <darkrift> listen for the sound
[06:36] <darkrift> pinpoint it
[06:36] <hendaus_> sivaji: wb
[06:36] <intelikey> and one can "touch the rotating fan and see if it quickly recovers it's speed or is slow and noisy"
[06:36] <darkrift> be carefull though
[06:37] <darkrift> fans these days can get quite mean
[06:37] <darkrift> lol
[06:37] <sivaji> hendaus_  what
[06:37] <eljefe> i have tried, i cannot pinpoint it.  my back fan is noisy tho lately, but that seems to be a diferent noise
[06:37] <hendaus_> sivaji:  please i need you urgent
[06:38] <hendaus_> sivaji:  i am waiting you till to finish the java installation
[06:38] <dwidmann> eljefe: try intelikeys test of touching the fan(s)
[06:38] <eljefe> i did
[06:39] <eljefe> spinning away
[06:39] <intelikey> at any rate eljefe there are two types of rotating hardware.  fan and drive   fan is in open air (obviously) and normally the first to go.  some drives like a cdrom can spin in 1x mode and give some sounds  but not be at the point of failure yet.
[06:39] <eljefe> intelikey: good point on the two types of rotating...
[06:39] <eljefe> makes sense thats what i hear
[06:40] <dwidmann> Thing about the hard drive failing is you could probably catch errors regarding the hard drives in dmesg
[06:40] <eljefe> ok well, i believe the cpu fan to be ok, if for no other reason than i hope and one of the back case fans seems noisy otherwise.
[06:40] <intelikey> insert cd and access it "causing it to spin up"  see if the sound changes.
[06:40] <eljefe> ok..
[06:41] <eljefe> anyone try the new SymphonyOS or the new MepisLite ?
[06:41] <eljefe> ok no the sound didn't change
[06:41] <eljefe> but sine i opened the case it seems to have diminished a lot
[06:41] <eljefe> \since
[06:41] <sivaji> hendaus_ i am playing chess here
[06:42] <eljefe> sivaji: what do you need?
[06:42] <hendaus_> sivaji:  please help me coz here is midnight and i have to done java coz i want to opena website support javas
[06:42] <eljefe> what is a 'ISO-13346 "UDF"' filesystem, and wwhy doe this Vista RC2 disk have it and we don't???
[06:43] <sivaji> hendaus_ ok i will come
[06:43] <dwidmann> eljefe: UDF is the filesystem most DVDs use
[06:43] <eljefe> i know but konqueror cannot open this?
[06:43] <hendaus_> sivaji:  thanx
[06:43] <dwidmann> eljefe: maybe it's not mounted properly
[06:43] <eljefe> daaang
[06:43] <intelikey> eljefe ok.  you can use a "stethiscope" on the hd to see if the sound is from there. if you don't have one use a straw...  or small rubber tubbing. but don't bust your ear drum in ignorance... :)
[06:43] <eljefe> mmm maybe, but it autoopened with konqueror/hal
[06:43] <sivaji> eljefe what do u need ?
[06:44] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: you around
[06:44] <eljefe> sivaji: nothing, sorry, thanks!
[06:44] <dwidmann> eljefe: I've had lots of trouble with that in the past though
[06:44] <dwidmann> eljefe: try mounting it manually first
[06:44] <eljefe> k
[06:44] <EtherBunny> uh.. not sure if anyone else has come across this, but for some reason mysqld starts when I come out of hibernation even though it wasn't running before.
[06:45] <EtherBunny> anyone know where I would look to disable that?
[06:45] <eljefe> same; a readme.txt file continging this:
[06:45] <eljefe> This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating system
[06:45] <eljefe> that supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification.
[06:45] <eljefe> whatever, i just found it from work, it may not even function
[06:45] <eljefe> don't much care
[06:45] <intelikey> eljefe one other thing that just came to mind, concerning the deminishing of the sound.   make sure that no wire/cable can touch a fan.  that could cause a very light whine
[06:45] <eljefe> ok i gotta go to bed
[06:46] <eljefe> intelikey: yeah i looked for that last night, but thanks mate, good tips!
[06:46] <intelikey> k
[06:46] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  did u got my message?
[06:46] <eljefe> g'nite all
[06:47] <intelikey> gday
[06:47] <sivaji2009> come to yahoo ple
[06:47] <sivaji2009> hendaus_
[06:47] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  maybe i have to register to talk with you
[06:47] <hendaus_> ok
[06:47] <sivaji2009> hendaus_ that day u came
[06:47] <intelikey> !register
[06:47] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:47] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  ok
[06:47] <dwidmann> night folks
[06:48] <intelikey> gooday dwidmann
[06:48] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  i am on yahoo also
[06:59] <EtherBunny> does anyone know why my mysqld starts when I come out of hibernation even though it was off before?
[07:01] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: slightly
[07:02] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: if you're busy i can bother you at some other point
[07:03] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: ok. maybe later if you're still awake. or you can just leave me a PM and I'll reply later
[07:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: just let me know when you are free
[07:04] <Jucato> oki dokie
[07:06] <pulaski> hello
[07:06] <modjo> hello
[07:06] <modjo> ummmm i need some help
[07:06] <pulaski> modjo: I run kubuntu feisty fawn and sometimes my sound does not work.
[07:07] <pulaski> I have a SB Live! sound card and a microphone that works but none of my applications that provide sound do.
[07:07] <modjo> i need help too
[07:08] <pulaski> how do you need help? modjo
[07:08] <modjo> because i dont know how drivers are installed on kubuntu
[07:08] <pulaski> I can try ...hehe
[07:08] <modjo> i mean, i dont even know how repositories work
[07:08] <modjo> or what they used for
[07:09] <pulaski> All I know is that as far as drivers go they are all there automatically
[07:09] <modjo> i know, im a total noob (for now) but i dont know how to find a FAQ page
[07:09] <modjo> then how can i test my wireless card?
[07:09] <modjo> is the only thing so far  that doesnt work
[07:09] <pulaski> as far as repositoryies go do this at the command line:
[07:09] <pulaski> sudo apt-get update
[07:09] <modjo> what do u use repositories for?
[07:10] <pulaski> to get software and to update
[07:10] <modjo> oww
[07:10] <pulaski> when was the last time you updated?
[07:10] <modjo> so, thats not for hardware
[07:10] <modjo> mmm i havent update
[07:10] <modjo> i just intalled kubuntu
[07:10] <modjo> like 20 min ago
[07:10] <Jucato> !wireless
[07:10] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:10] <Jucato> modjo: ^^^^
[07:10] <pulaski> from a disk?
[07:10] <modjo> yes :D
[07:10] <Jucato> pulaski: you don't need to go to the command line to use the repositories. that's what apps like Adept Manager or Add/Remove Programs are for :)
[07:11] <modjo> im leaerning really fast
[07:11] <pulaski> yes jucat you're right, there are many ways to use the repositories
[07:12] <Jucato> modjo: basically, a repository is an online database/repository of apps, packages, etc., that have been compiled for and tested to work on a particular Linux distribution. in this case, Ubuntu
[07:12] <amigosh> hi
[07:13] <pulaski> try it modjo
[07:13] <amigosh> helloooooooooooooo
[07:13] <modjo> ok, so if i need to install a new driver is it supposed to happen automatically or by the use of repositories?
[07:13] <pulaski> hi amigosh
[07:13] <EtherBunny> does anybody now where I would go to disable mysql from starting when I resume from hibernate?
[07:13] <amigosh> eh speak spanish
[07:13] <amigosh> or inglish
[07:13] <Jucato> !es
[07:13] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:13] <modjo> yo hablo espa;ol
[07:14] <modjo> hey creo que eso es facil :D
[07:14] <agent32424> hi
[07:14] <pulaski> modjo, your install should have recognized all hardware and provided appropriate drivers
[07:14] <amigosh> ?????? que es facil
[07:14] <amigosh> modjo
[07:14] <pulaski> if you think you need a driver fire up adept
[07:14] <pulaski> and search for one.
[07:14] <modjo> pense que seria facil si hubiese gnete despeirta en el canal en epsa;ol
[07:14] <modjo> pero nooooo
[07:14] <Jucato> !es | amigosh
[07:15] <jaydee> ei
[07:15] <modjo> ok ok ok wait
[07:15] <agent32424> agent22 hi!
[07:15] <amigosh> porque que buscas o solo quieres platicar
[07:15] <ubotu> amigosh: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:15] <modjo> no
[07:15] <flake> EtherBunny -you try Settings/System Admin/System Services  ?
[07:15] <jaydee> psssssssttttttttttt
[07:15] <modjo> amosh estoy buscando como probar mi tarjeta wireless
[07:15] <pulaski> Jucato, have you experienced problems with sound using feist fawn?
[07:15] <jaydee> no habla english???
[07:15] <Jucato> pulaski: nope
[07:15] <modjo> yes we do
[07:16] <jaydee> hi der
[07:16] <jaydee> wer u from
[07:16] <pulaski> jucato: thanks anyway.
[07:16] <amigosh> pues usa wiriless assitant
[07:16] <jaydee> wer r u guys from
[07:16] <modjo> donde estan esos assistants?
[07:16] <EtherBunny> my mysqld is turned off in system services and it's not set to start on boot either
[07:16] <Jucato> jaydee: this isn't a social chat room
[07:16] <jaydee> grrrrrrrhhhhhhhhh
[07:16] <agent32424> i'm from istanbul you?
[07:16] <Jucato> !topic
[07:16] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[07:16] <jaydee> i know
[07:17] <Jucato> hm.. bot is slow...
[07:17] <amigosh> en aplicaciones y te vas a la seccion de internet
[07:17] <pulaski> modjo, I suggest you fire up adept anyway and click the update tab then apply the updates.
[07:17] <modjo> its gonna take too long
[07:17] <modjo> :(
[07:18] <pulaski> modjo, a new install from disk is likely to need updating.
[07:18] <amigosh> o como dice pulaski actualiza
[07:18] <jaydee> jucato
[07:18] <pulaski> with broadband it doesn't
[07:18] <modjo> yes pulask and amigosh im updating
[07:18] <jaydee> i hav a question
[07:18] <Jucato> EtherBunny: I'm not sure, but I thought hibernate saves the state of your computer, including programs that were running before you hibernate. so if it's running before you hibernate, it would be run when you return
[07:18] <amigosh> pero primeramente que version tienes
[07:18] <amigosh> para saber mejor que repositorio nesesitas
[07:18] <jaydee> reg about my pc
[07:18] <EtherBunny> It's weird, this only happens with mysqld
[07:19] <jaydee> help
[07:19] <modjo> mmmm no se
[07:19] <modjo> soy completisimamente nuevo en esto
[07:19] <EtherBunny> I'm not sure where the resume scripts are..
[07:19] <pulaski> amigosh ?
[07:19] <amigosh> ok ok ok
[07:19] <amigosh> what pulaski
[07:19] <amigosh> ????
[07:19] <monday> hus dat agent32424
[07:19] <modjo> solo me gustaria tener la tarjeta wireless bien isntalada para empeszar a buscr mas agusto la demas informacion
[07:20] <jussi01au> !en
[07:20] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:20] <monday> hus dat agent32424
[07:20] <flake> Ether - wildly guessing here, but could you have a server running that is linked to it
[07:20] <monday> hus dat agent32424
[07:20] <pulaski> o como dice pulaski actualiza.. in engles por favor...
[07:20] <modjo> ok amigosh i think were being warned
[07:20] <monday> hus dat agent32424
[07:20] <modjo> maybe next time they're gonna kick us
[07:20] <amigosh> ok in inglish
[07:20] <Jucato> amigosh: English please
[07:20] <amigosh> ok ok ok
[07:21] <modjo> jajaja
[07:21] <Jucato> (sorry lagging)
[07:21] <modjo> ok let this finish updateing
[07:22] <EtherBunny> flake: going through my processes and not seeing anything that would use mysql
[07:23] <EtherBunny> also, mysqld does not start when I reboot, only if I come out of hibernate.
[07:26] <flake> Ether - you have it as off on boot-up ?
[07:26] <EtherBunny> yep
[07:27] <rodrigo> quien sabe del canal en espaol de ubuntu
[07:27] <rodrigo> ?
[07:27] <Jucato> !es | rodrigo
[07:27] <ubotu> rodrigo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:34] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  where r u
[07:35] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  gnight dude
[07:36] <hendaus_> goodnight all
[07:36] <sivaji2009> hendaus_ ok
[07:37] <hendaus_> sivaji2009:  talk to u later :))
[07:37] <sivaji2009> ok
[07:40] <makuseru> hi, im trying to install a package, and it says it depends on another package, so i install the other package and it says it depends on the package i first tried to install, so its just going in one big circle, how can i install either packages?
[07:43] <intelikey> apt-get install -f
[07:44] <makuseru> i did
[07:44] <makuseru> i kinda figured it out, i got one package
[07:45] <makuseru> but the other says its the newest, but the program im tryin to install says it requires somthing newer
[07:45] <makuseru> !libxml2
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libxml2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <sivaji2009> use aptitude
[07:45] <intelikey> !info libxml2
[07:45] <ubotu> libxml2: GNOME XML library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.27.dfsg-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 742 kB, installed size 1436 kB
[07:46] <intelikey> !info bash
[07:46] <ubotu> bash: The GNU Bourne Again SHell. In component main, is required. Version 3.2-0ubuntu7 (feisty), package size 806 kB, installed size 1916 kB
[07:49] <makuseru> intelikey: it says "desmume depends on libxml2 (2.6.28): however: Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.27.dfsg-1ubuntu3."
[07:51] <intelikey> makuseru then i guess you'll have to look for the source and build it.     personally if it requires newer than the repos have i don't mess with it.
[07:52] <intelikey> !find desmume
[07:52] <ubotu> Found: desmume
[07:53] <intelikey> !info desmume
[07:53] <ubotu> desmume: Nintendo DS emulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 305 kB, installed size 956 kB
[07:53] <intelikey> makuseru why not use that one ?
[07:53] <makuseru> never heard of it
 intelikey: it says "desmume depends on libxml2 <<<<<
[07:54] <makuseru> i mean i didnt know there was one in the repos
[07:54] <intelikey> !source
[07:54] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[07:54] <intelikey> that's not the message i wanted.
[07:55] <intelikey> !b-e
[07:55] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:55] <intelikey>                   ^
[07:55] <makuseru> i got it now
[08:04] <v0taguz> sudoman: o.O?
[08:07] <Chani> is there a list of apt mirroirs somewhere? I want to switch to one that's a bit closer
[08:08] <Chani> aha
[08:09] <intelikey> Chani maybe on the site ?   ubuntu.com  ?
[08:10] <intelikey> Chani what is "closer" ?
[08:11] <Chani> intelikey: I found it on the ubuntu wiki
[08:11] <Chani> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[08:11] <intelikey> k
[08:14] <modjo__> hello
[08:14] <modjo__> sme again
[08:14] <modjo> asd
[08:14] <modjo> hello
[08:14] <modjo> i got a question
[08:15] <lazaruslupine> hey anyone know howto get Bluefish working w/ FTP in kubuntu? I've had it working before.
[08:15] <lazaruslupine> in other WM's
[08:16] <lazaruslupine> does gnome-volume-manager need to be running?
[08:17] <jack-> lazaruslupine: you're likely to need the whole gnome-vfs stuff as well
[08:17] <jack-> lazaruslupine: but i'd recommend to switch and get used to quanta instead
[08:17] <jack-> its as nice as bluefish, and a true kde thing
[08:18] <secret> Hey guys, i have 256kbs cable internet, but i am downloading a torrent at 45kbs? can someone help me setup ktorrent?
[08:18] <jack-> you cant expect maxspeed from torrents
[08:18] <jack-> seems like nobody told you the basics
[08:18] <secret> ok so 45kbs is normal?
[08:18] <jack-> yeah, actually pretty good
[08:18] <secret> thanks for your help
[08:18] <jack-> np
[08:25] <Chani> um.
[08:25] <Chani> attempting dist-upgrade, and..
[08:25] <Chani> The following packages will be automatically REMOVED: apt-index-watcher libgd2-noxpm libvolumeid0 xserver-xorg-driver-all
[08:25] <Chani> is it a bad thing that it wants to remove that?
[08:26] <Chani> hmm, looks klike it could be ok
[08:26] <c1|freaky> uwe@loopy2:~$ apt-cache search apt-index
[08:26] <c1|freaky> uwe@loopy2:~$
[08:26] <c1|freaky> the 2 libs will probably be upgraded
[08:27] <intelikey> Chani i don't see anything that it would hurt
[08:27] <Chani> yeah
[08:28] <Chani> 1219 packages upgraded, 132 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[08:28] <Chani> ohboy
[08:29] <Chani> where are .debs downloaded to? I got a bunch via sneakernet so that I don't have to spend forever downloading
[08:30] <Jucato>  /var/cache/apt/archive/
[08:30] <Chani> somewhre in /var iirc...
[08:30] <Chani> ah
[08:30] <jack-> no clue about apt? ;)
[08:30] <Chani> thanks
[08:30] <jack-> its ../archives btw
[08:30] <intelikey>  /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:30] <jack-> but he's right
[08:30] <Chani> jack-: apt has to download things.
[08:30] <Jucato> forgot an 's'...
[08:31] <intelikey> sorry Jucato i'm lagging just a bit
[08:32] <Jucato> I'm the one who forgot the 's'
[08:33] <Chani> ohboy
[08:33] <Chani> sudo: unable to execute /bin/cp: Argument list too long
[08:33] <Chani> time to learn abotu xargs
[08:36] <intelikey> yeah i hate those list limits...   mv and cp do that a lot for me.
[08:38] <jack-> xargs owns
[08:38] <jack-> you can even tell it how many chars/args on one line
[08:38] <jack-> once you get used to it, you dont run into insufficient limits anymore at all
[08:41] <intelikey> jack- hmmm yeah.  while and for loops work too
[08:41] <jack-> sure :)
[08:42] <jack-> but xargs is one of the tools i love most
[08:42] <jack-> hehe
[08:42] <jack-> np to smack a lot of sophisticated jobs into a pretty short bash line
[08:42] <intelikey> seems to be in every other line i write.
[08:42] <jack-> if you know how to use cut and xargs :)
[08:42] <jack-> cut rules
[08:44] <intelikey> dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | cut -d' ' -f3 > installed
[08:45] <jack-> yup, simple task
[08:46] <sparr> does kubuntu include a single-threaded gui ftp client?
[08:46] <Jucato> Konqueror?
[08:46] <Chani> single-threaded?
[08:46] <Jucato> !ftp
[08:46] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[08:47] <jack-> dpkg -L $@ |xargs file |fgrep 'Mach-O' |cut -f1 -d: |xargs otool -L 2> /dev/null |egrep -v ':$' |sort -u |sed  -e 's,[[:space:] ] +,,' \
[08:47] <jack-> -e 's, .*,,'|xargs dpkg -S 2>/dev/null|cut -f1 -d:|sort -u|fgrep -vx "`tr ' ' '\n' <<<$*`"|xargs|sed -e 's; ;, ;g'
[08:47] <jack-> intelikey: check this
[08:47] <sparr> Jucato: sadly, no
[08:47] <jack-> one of my most useful ones, and its just one line :)
[08:47] <sparr> Chani: does everything in one ftp connection, instead of opening multiple
[08:48] <jack-> kbear ist there too
[08:48] <jack-> and iglooftp
[08:48] <jack-> so many
[08:48] <Jucato> I think kbear has been dropped
[08:48] <sparr> wouldnt be so bad if konqueror didnt abort a long operation as soon as the server denied an extra connection
[08:49] <jack-> sparr: want my 2 cents concerning "best ftp client ever"?
[08:50] <jack-> use lftp inside konsole
[08:50] <sparr> meh, ill just use ftp if i want command line
[08:50] <jack-> or if you want fxp through a gui, use kasablanca
[08:50] <jack-> lftp rocks :)
[08:50] <jack-> really
[08:50] <jack-> best client ever done, imo
[08:54] <Chani> urgh. with all these disconnects it'll take forever for apt to get everything
[08:57] <baudthief> I keep getting this when doing an apt-get update
[08:57] <baudthief> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[08:57] <baudthief> any ideas?
[09:09] <Chani> baudthief: try downloading and unzipping it yourself, see what happens
[09:10] <baudthief> Chani: appears to work, i've switched back to the australia mirror and it seems to work now
[09:24] <dem4b> Hi, could someone recomend a program for trimming an audio file?
[09:24] <Chani> I use sox, but it's sure as hell not userfriendly
[09:26] <dem4b> Chani: are you aware of any alternatives?
[09:26] <MilhousePunkRock> dem4b: What about audacity?
[09:26] <dem4b> MilhousePunkRock: I'll try that one
[09:42] <KomiaPoika> hi
[09:42] <KomiaPoika> how can i restart X, forcing a reread of xorg.conf, without rebooting?
[09:43] <MaTiAz> KomiaPoika: Ctrl+alt+backspace
[09:43] <Jucato> KomiaPoika: log out first, then what MaTiAz said
[09:46] <KomiaPoika> okay, but why can't kubuntu 7.04 display on my laptop at 1280x800, like kubuntu 6.04 could? i just copied over my old xorg.conf. and after restarting, i don't get the normal 1280x800 display...
[09:46] <KomiaPoika> 6.06*
[09:47] <SilentDis> !mp3
[09:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:15] <KomiaPoika> ok i found: 915resolution
[10:18] <jussi01au> could someone give me the command to empty the trash from the command line?
[10:19] <secret> anyone here too help?
[10:19] <intelikey> maybe
[10:19] <secret> would you know how I can get rid of the  toolbar on my firefox browser, it's a search toolbar thing
[10:19] <secret> ?
[10:19] <secret> I have the address bar, then next too it is a tool bar
[10:20] <secret> you know?
[10:20] <intelikey> no.    look in the pull down menu   if it's not there   i have no clue.
[10:20] <secret> search bar i mean
[10:20] <intelikey> i don't use ff    don't like it.
[10:21] <secret> what do you use?
[10:21] <intelikey> ff is however the default on ubuntu  so   you can ask in #ubuntu  if you want.
[10:21] <secret> curious :D...
[10:21] <intelikey> elinks
[10:21] <secret> kubuntu
[10:21] <secret> ok thanks
[10:21] <intelikey> np.
[10:21] <pag> jussi01au, something like rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/  maybe?
[10:22] <intelikey> sudo that and it might work
[10:22] <jussi01au> pag: thanks
[10:33] <kraut> moin
[10:34] <intelikey> kraut
[10:35] <kraut> intelikey
[10:36] <zerocool> HI
[10:36] <intelikey> zerocool
[10:37] <zerocool> Y?
[10:39] <intelikey> anybody like bash scripts ?
[10:40] <KomiaPoika> i  do
[10:40] <KomiaPoika> scripts rock my world
[10:40] <Jucato> I guess people in #bash (or is it ##bash ?)love those
[10:40] <intelikey> #bash
[10:41] <KomiaPoika> yes
[10:41] <KomiaPoika> boy these guys are good
[10:41] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/37146   tell me what's wrong with that one
[10:41] <KomiaPoika> if you ask nicely they help you out writing scripts worth two hours a consultant would charge
[10:43] <intelikey> hehe yeah i started to try to learn perl,  went to  #perl and ask one simple Q  and got the  "pay us and we'll help, else get lost" spill     so i stuck with bash
[10:44] <eagles0513875> how do i setup a mysql server
[10:44] <intelikey> same kind of floks seem to hang in #debian too
[10:44] <kumamoto> anyone use kate for developing apps
[10:44] <intelikey> kumamoto i would think that most would use  kdevelop  or vim    seems to be the norm.
[10:45] <intelikey> eagles0513875 i can point you at the infonode the bot has but that's all i can do there
[10:45] <Jucato> although you'd be surprise at how many kde devs actually just use kate | emacs | vim :)
[10:45] <Jucato> !lamp
[10:45] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:46] <ardchoille> kate rocks!
[10:46] <ardchoille> I use it for everything
[10:46] <intelikey> Jucato yes   vim   very common
[10:46] <Jucato> I use kate for almost everything except what I don't use a text editor for :)
[10:46] <kumamoto> I was just wondering if kate has the capabilities of editing a file while still on a remote server using say 'Open Url' sort of thing
[10:47] <Jucato> kumamoto: um.. yes... using sftp:/ fish:/, etc
[10:47] <Jucato> it's possible, not through the app, but through KDE"s kioslaves
[10:47] <ardchoille> kumamoto: I use kate to edit files which are on my web hosts server, so I know it can do remote file editing via drag & drop.
[10:47] <ewa> hello
[10:48] <intelikey> that would be using  konqueror not kate    right ?
[10:48] <Jucato> drag from konqi to kate? *shrugs*
[10:48] <ardchoille> Ah, yes, intelikey.. I ftp to the location and then d&d files to kate
[10:48] <kumamoto> don't know I haven't seen any sftp or fish protocol on my kate maybe I will have to install some modules for that right?
[10:49] <Jucato> intelikey: yep, drag and drop :)
[10:49] <Jucato> kumamoto: no
[10:49] <Jucato> those protocols are available for all KDE apps
[10:49] <Jucato> you just type it in the location bar of the File dialog
[10:49] <ardchoille> kumamoto: just type the ftp address into konqueror file manager, then drag & drop the files into kate
[10:50] <Jucato> kumamoto: or you can do ardchoille's way, which is easier
[10:50] <ardchoille> I found that out by accident, actually.
[10:51] <eagles0513875> that will work inteliey
[10:51] <eagles0513875> !mysql
[10:51] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[10:51] <kumamoto> so going drag and drop both ways before and after editing
[10:51] <Jucato> it does sound logical though... can't say why I haven't thought about it...
[10:52] <Jucato> kumamoto: er no...
[10:52] <ardchoille> kumamoto: Actually, you can just save the file in kate and it's taken care of.
[10:52] <kumamoto> ok I guess I will play around with it some more and see if I can it to work the way I want it to work.
[10:52] <Jucato> kumamoto: kioslaves, particularly sftp:/, ftp:/, fish:/ ,etc. allow you to access remote files as if they were local files.
[10:52] <ardchoille> drag the file into kate, edit as needed, click File->Save ( in kate) and th file is saved on the remote server.
[10:53] <intelikey> do you have to d&d or can you just click edit ?
[10:54] <kumamoto> I know I have kioslaves installed but I will double check
[10:54] <Jucato> well, depends on the file. if it's an .html file, it doesn't open in kate :)
[10:54] <kumamoto> what no html in kate not good
[10:54] <intelikey> can if you right click and select
[10:54] <Jucato> kumamoto: I was replying to intelikey. not to you
[10:54] <eagles0513875> !kioslaves
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kioslaves - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:55] <ardchoille> intelikey: You can click edit too, yes
[10:55] <Jucato> http://osdir.com/Article2159.phtml <--- short article about kioslaves
[10:56] <intelikey> ardchoille KOLD !  :)
[10:56] <kumamoto> sorry Jucato didn't mean to butt in
[10:56] <intelikey> cold would be a little cooler than cool wouldn't  ?
[10:56] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, thanks for that url
[10:56] <ardchoille> intelikey: lol, sure :)
[10:56] <Jucato> it's an old one though
[10:57] <Jucato> other kioslaves to look into would be man:/, info:/, help:/ and apt:/ (only on Kubuntu) and sysinfo:/ (formerly only on suse)
[10:57] <mattsqz> dear god, ubuntu has come a long way since version 5 ;)
[10:57] <Jucato> with a 6-month release schedule? I'd be surprised if it didn't :)
[10:58] <intelikey> would you believe it's possable to use  for Q in /dir/* ;do sleep 3 ;pastebin.script $Q ;done   the server doesn't se it as spam....   ?
[10:59] <ardchoille> Jucato: Actually, I have installed a few service menus for konqueror, so I have some cool options in the "Actions" context menu and I have edited the file associations to add kate to the list of apps to open .html files. So, opening html files in kate from a remote server is easy.
[11:00] <Jucato> ardchoille: I was saying that simple left-click on an .html file wouldn't open it in kate, at least not by default
[11:00] <ardchoille> If anyone is interested in more service menu options:  http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=287
[11:00] <Jucato> of course you can always mod, but that's not the default anyway
[11:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Af, true
[11:01] <ardchoille> *Ah
[11:01] <intelikey> Jucato right.  default action would be view in current window
[11:01] <mike_> Greets, everyone...
[11:02] <Jucato> :)
[11:03] <MartyMcFly> is it possible to have gizmo or skype open while listening to music?
[11:03] <mike_> Is there anything in my home folder that could possibly be hardware-dependent? I'm thinking of copying it from one machine to another, just wondering if this could cause any problems.
[11:03] <MartyMcFly> I keep getting errors about audio devices not being available when I open gizmo or skype while listening to music
[11:03] <Jucato> current window/tab *and* as a web page (using khtml), not an embedded katepart