[00:19] <sistemas> Hola
[00:19] <sistemas> alguien que hable español?
[00:20] <sarnold> try #ubuntu-es
[00:33] <rogerio> ew
[00:33] <rogerio> hi
[00:34] <rogerio> algum brasileiro aqui ?
[00:34] <sarnold> try #ubuntu-br -- there's a few people there, but maybe not awake?
[00:36] <rogerio> i don't now
[02:23] <Guest25> Hello, I'd like to ask if someone can help me with a problem. I installed Podcasts from the software store, but it is in light mode when I've set Yaru-blue-dark on Tweaks
[02:50] <xshadow> hi
[07:21] <blahdeblah> Is there a supported/recommended way to install an Ubuntu desktop with RAID?  It has been so long since I set my laptop up that I've lost the info about how I did it.
[07:21] <blahdeblah> Server installer to set up, then apt install ubuntu-desktop?  Or desktop install and set up the RAID devices before invoking the installer?
[07:22] <blahdeblah> I seem to recall something about needing to add RAID to the initrd and update-initramfs to get it to work.
[07:36] <weedmic> blahdeblah: do you need RAID?
[07:38] <weedmic> generally, I recommend hardware raid with it's own battery.  so when the machine comes back online after a cetestrphic loss of power, the last transactions will be written down.  I also find most people do not need raid at all and don't really understand it's purpose.
[07:41] <blahdeblah> weedmic: I don't really want to debate the merits of that choice.  I just want to know whether there's a supported configuration for using software RAID on a desktop machine.
[07:43] <weedmic> as you wish - https://www.servers.com/support/knowledge/linux-administration/how-to-install-ubuntu-with-software-raid-1
[07:44] <blahdeblah> That's based on the old Debian installer, which isn't available on 22.04 any more
[07:45] <blahdeblah> On the old installer this was all super-easy and straightforward
[07:45] <blahdeblah> It works fine on the server installer too, although the navigation isn't as simple anymore
[07:49] <blahdeblah> (For the record, I've been using a software RAID setup since about when this was originally written, and most of the reasons given there are still valid: https://web.archive.org/web/20170324121027/linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html)
[08:09] <weedmic> ty blahdeblah.  i didn't say one was better, I said why I recommend hardware raid with its own battery.  For me/us data integrity is paramount.  good luck and enjoy.  if you find a better guide, pls post and I'll add it to my array.  I generally found no use for raid once 20tb hdds dripped below 1k euro and are now only 400 euro.
[08:52] <tarzeau> so jammy ships pkgs that need python 3.10.5 but jammy itself does only ship 3.10.4 (if you out of user a/b testing, jammy-updates) there's a dependency problem
[08:53] <tarzeau> bug in python3-gdbm, -distutils, -lib2to3, -tk
[08:54] <tarzeau> _doko: src: python3-defaults
[08:57] <weedmic> what is jammy?  is that like synaptic or muon?
[10:20] <de-facto> are there any plans to get a sound system in ubuntu that allows to play back without glitches and stuttering?
[10:21] <de-facto> pulse audio is an absolute horrible mess, it never ever worked reliable for me with default installation
[10:21] <de-facto> it keeps switching the volume by itself, rapidly stuttering the audio by switching it between hdmi and analog several times per second
[10:21] <tarzeau> it's already there and called ALSA?
[10:22] <de-facto> i thought ALSA is below the audio server, e.g. doing the hardware abstraction layer
[10:22] <tarzeau> for playback i recommend src:ocp
[10:22] <de-facto> never heard of that
[10:22] <tarzeau> de-facto: yes but nobody forces you to install and use pulseaudio?
[10:23] <de-facto> i want something that provides the functionality of pulse audio but is stable software
[10:23] <tarzeau> what did you expect, someone who writes systemd, can make a great audio server?
[10:23] <tarzeau> you want it, you write it?
[10:23] <de-facto> ok so there is no stable audio server in ubuntu then?
[10:24] <tarzeau> which version of ubuntu you have?
[10:24] <tarzeau> i heard there's pulse wire something, forgot the name that seems to be better
[10:25] <de-facto>  i am no 22.04
[10:25] <tarzeau> pipewire they call it
[10:25] <de-facto> i am on Ubuntu 22.04
[10:25] <tarzeau> debian 12 has it, or maybe also later ubuntu versions
[10:25] <tarzeau> 22.04 doesn't have it, among other problems
[10:25] <de-facto> is pipewire more stable?
[10:25] <tarzeau> maybe jack is what you want?
[10:26] <tarzeau> i don't know, i'm happy with ALSA :)
[10:26] <de-facto> i basically only want playback from all software at a constant volume
[10:26] <tarzeau> or macOS :)
[10:26] <tarzeau> hahaha ^ best joke
[10:26] <de-facto> i dont want a sound system that changes output sinks and volume by itself
[10:26] <de-facto> half volume, fixed sinks.
[10:27] <de-facto> if only i could tell pulse audio to never change anything by itself
[10:27] <de-facto> stay with one sink, dont change volume on your own
[10:28] <de-facto> i would already be happy but apparently its not possible with pulse audio
[10:28] <tarzeau> try pipewire and tell us if it solves your issue?
[10:29] <YoungPotato> Hi all. I have two non-existing old drives listed under gnome-disks (see the last two entries in this screenshot: https://unsee.cc/album#3uKlnzAhIirS). These drives that are under /dev/test are not in /etc/fstab. How can I remove them from gnome-disks?
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> bad url YoungPotato ?
[10:31] <YoungPotato> Let me reupload the image
[10:35] <YoungPotato> https://picallow.com/gnome-disks/?usp_success=2&post_id=148327&form_id=27
[10:36] <tarzeau> lotuspsychje: hey i remember you. what is the latest ubuntu version you have access to? (you did so much software testing for me...)
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> tarzeau: hey mate, i usualy hang in #ubuntu-next for very early LTS devel, so october i will work for you again hehe
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> currently on 22.04
[10:38] <de-facto> yeah pipewire works great, now i dont have any output device anymore (installed it according to https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Pipewire/ )
[10:38] <ravage> YoungPotato: define non-existing. if they are not physically existent anymore try a reboot
[10:39] <de-facto> why is something as simple as audio such a mess on ubuntu?
[10:40] <tarzeau> de-facto: welcome
[10:41] <de-facto> audio basically is not usable
[10:41] <tarzeau> de-facto: well audio is not always just audio. there's no audio hardware, multiple audio hardware. and well a lot of audio APIs. and a lot of software interfacing all sorts of apis
[10:41] <tarzeau> de-facto: that's what you claim. i'm fine HAVING audio. and it works for me just good enough
[10:41] <de-facto> yeah and none of them works
[10:42] <tarzeau> you can go complain to IBM to create computers without audio
[10:42] <tarzeau> because every computer vendor HAD audio. but IBM didn't. still you can buy computers (clones) without
[10:42] <tarzeau> broken for 40 years.
[10:44] <de-facto> yeah i dont care about IBM, it does not help me here
[10:44] <de-facto> LANG=C pactl info | grep '^Server Name'
[10:44] <de-facto> Server Name: PulseAudio (on PipeWire 0.3.48)
[10:44] <de-facto> ok so how do i get output devices to show up in pipewire?
[10:47] <weedmic> de-facto: I have found sound issues are solvable with pulse, but... mostly, I need to stop wait restart the service.  if you find a real cure, let me know.  I do not think ALSA is noticeably different in any way, imho.  actually i'm not sure I get the difference between them (nor the relationship).
[10:48] <de-facto> wireplumber?
[10:48] <weedmic> I'm not ready to do the work myself :D - I want you to find the answer and let me know <(")
[10:50] <de-facto> installing wireplumber and removing pipewire-media-session shows up the output devices
[10:51] <thrice> if you would use 23.04 you would have had these out of the box :)
[10:51] <de-facto> ok that seems to work ... for now
[10:51] <de-facto> no stuttering so far
[10:53] <de-facto> well good that those are in the repos for 22.04 too then i guess
[11:15] <frantic_googler> hello
[11:20] <ABZen> After recent update, Ubuntu 20.04.6 frequently fails to connect to wifi because DHCP4 activation times out. Trying to figure out whether this is a bug or a configuration issue and how to troubleshoot. Any help much appreciated.
[11:22] <YoungPotato> thanks ravage!
[11:49] <Crin> after booting ubuntu this morning i cant ssh intu it anymore
[11:50] <Crin> when i try to ping the ubuntu machine from another the ping gets looped back
[11:50] <Crin> when i try to ping any other device from ubuntu it works fine
[11:50] <Crin> i did a ufw reset but it did not fix it
[11:50] <Crin> What can cause this behavior?
[11:55] <hid3> Hello everyone. How can I change the time when unattended-upgrades are being done? Currently it seems to install automatic updates at random time of the day. I want to make it install them only during nighttime. But for it to be able to check/download updates any time.
[12:02] <weedmic> Crin: sshd on the machine you can neither see nor reach may not be on.
[12:03] <weedmic> could also be on a different network (or separated physically, no nic, cable, switch, etc.)  if it is a vm on the same machine, check the nat/bridge sets.
[12:04] <weedmic> I'd check the daemon first, personally.
[12:07] <Crin> I cant ping ubuntu
[12:07] <Crin> i cant ping from ubuntu to somewhere else
[12:07] <weedmic> u cannot connect to it physically?
[12:08] <Crin> What do you mean connect physicly? run an ethernet cable between them?
[12:09] <Crin> I can* ping from ubuntu to other machine
[12:09] <weedmic> yes, kvm, cable, com port, something?  everyone must have a procedure on how to reach a machine when ssh is down to see if it is the daemon or not.
[12:09] <Crin> It is not the deamon
[12:10] <Crin> I cant ping the machine
[12:10] <Crin> so the sshd wont be reached
[12:10] <weedmic> if you cannot ping the machine, how do you know the sshd daemon is not down on that machine?
[12:11] <Crin> the machine is 6 feet away
[12:11] <Crin> I'm still in the proces of setting everything up the way i want it
[12:12] <weedmic> the result you have is exactly what one would expect if the daemon is down.
[12:12] <Crin> you cant ping ubuntu if ssd is not installed?
[12:12] <Crin> sshd*
[12:13] <pavlos> sure
[12:14] <Crin> sshd status is active and nothing weid in the logs
[12:14] <weedmic> oic, i thnk you could ping it. - so then try to find out why it is unreachable.
[12:14] <Crin> weird*
[12:14] <Crin> yes maybe im phrasing my questions wrongly
[12:14] <Crin> my apoligies
[12:14] <pavlos> do you ping from same subnet?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:15] <pavlos> your gateway might be wrong
[12:15] <Crin> i cant reach ubuntu with a ping
[12:15] <weedmic> start with traceroute and see where it ends, if ou can ping with numbers but not names, it is dns.  if you cannot ping w numbers, it's not visible to the machine you are on.
[12:15] <Crin> i can ping other machine from ubuntu
[12:15] <Crin> disabling and reseting ufw did not help
[12:16] <pavlos> if target is <IP_ADDRESS> and you are <IP_ADDRESS> and gw is <IP_ADDRESS>, you can ping target
[12:18] <Crin> both machines are on same subnet
[12:18] <pavlos> both linux?
[12:18] <Crin> Yes
[12:18] <Crin> i tried windows and linux
[12:19] <weedmic> are either machine a vm?
[12:19] <Crin> no
[12:19] <weedmic> that makes it much simpler, imho
[12:19] <weedmic> same switch?
[12:20] <weedmic> or hub
[12:20] <pavlos> run route -n on both pc
[12:20] <pavlos> bad rj45 cable?
[12:20] <weedmic> mentioned that - in my list of things to try (in order).
[12:22] <pavlos> Crin: you could give more details instead of us asking questions. [your ip, target ip, network]. All this should be in private range, no need for public ip's
[12:23] <weedmic> might also want to double check both PCs with "ip a" for the ipv4 just to ensure there isnot a typo.  couldn't hurt.
[12:23] <weedmic> could post both results in a link
[12:24] <Crin> the ip of the ubuntu machine is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:24] <pavlos> example of route -n ... https://termbin.com/g21b
[12:25] <Crin> the wndows machine is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <Crin> the ip of the other debian machine is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:25] <Crin> Gateway is <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:26] <pavlos> so debian pings win but gets network unreachable?
[12:26] <Crin> no debian ping ubuntu did not work
[12:26] <Crin> windows ping ubuntu did not work
[12:27] <Crin> ubuntu ping windows works
[12:27] <Crin> ubuntu ping debian works
[12:27] <Crin> thats why i disabled ufw after a reset of ufw did not work
[12:29] <pavlos> the pc with ubuntu is 22.04 basic install?
[12:29] <Crin> I was the issue happened after i did an upgrade
[12:29] <Crin> It
[12:31] <Crin> btw while we were talking i was trying stuff an renabling ufw to get logs and it now works again
[12:31] <Crin> now im even more curious
[12:32] <Crin> does an upgrade reset ufw in some ways?
[12:32] <Crin> Where can i find logs that can show what changed just now?
[12:34] <Crin> I will try a reboot and see if it permanently fixed
[12:34] <pavlos>  /var/log/ dir has a bunch of logs
[12:36] <Crin> It still works after the reboot
[12:36] <Crin> so i guess it was a bug
[12:37] <Crin> i know but im new to linux is there a log you would look at?
[12:37] <pavlos> sudo ufw status should show inactive
[12:39] <Crin> I reenabled ufw
[12:41] <pavlos> try sudo ufw status | nc termbin.com 9999 and post the link
[12:41] <Crin> ok after renabling ssh stopped working again but i can still ping ubuntu from everywhere
[12:42] <Crin> so i have to find which rule is block ssh
[12:46] <fivegruelatwork> can you guys recommend resources on hard-realtime programming in linux / ubuntu? all i can find is "don't do heap allocation and disable RTTI"
[12:46] <Crin2> https://termbin.com/c9ds
[12:47] <pavlos> try "sudo ufw status verbose | nc termbin.com 9999" and post the link
[12:50] <Crin2> https://termbin.com/eope
[12:51] <pavlos> you dont have any rules defined
[12:51] <Crin2> I did a reset so
[12:53] <pavlos> the default policy is deny (incoming), allow (outgoing) which is standard
[12:55] <Crin2> this was different from a frsh 22.04? because i did not have to add any rules but could ssh before
[12:57] <pavlos> this policy is default on 22.04
[12:58] <Crin2> ok but i still did not have add ssh to rules but it worked before the upgrade
[13:01] <pavlos> so you had ubuntu 20.04 and upgraded to 22.04, ping worked on 20.04 but did not work on 22.04. Let me repeat, ping has nothing to do with ssh.
[13:01] <Crin2> https://paste.simplylinux.ch/view/d98871dd
[13:02] <pavlos> you are NOT running OpenBSD
[13:03] <mybalzitch> hah
[13:07] <Crin> i noticed that
[13:07] <Crin> but i only did an sudo apt upgrade
[13:08] <pavlos> here's a ufw tutorial ... https://phoenixnap.com/kb/configure-firewall-with-ufw-on-ubuntu
[13:09] <Crin> What does OpenBSD mean was somthing detected wrongly?
[13:10] <oerheks> sudo ufw allow openssh
[13:10] <pavlos> this is not the place to discuss OpenBSD, there are plenty of sites on OpenBSD
[13:10] <oerheks> the license is BSD, no worries
[13:11] <Crin> im on ubuntu not BSD
[13:11] <oerheks> sudo ufw limit ssh # to limit ssh attempts to 6 /30seconds
[13:12] <Allie> Crin: OpenSSH is written by the OpenBSD project
[13:12] <Allie> Ubuntu uses the OpenSSH sshd
[13:12] <Allie> hence - OpenBSD SSH
[13:12] <Crin> that is what i asumed but pavlos ointed t out so i got confused
[13:13] <rick123> Can someone helpe me understand this?
[13:13] <pavlos> what is 'this'?
[13:14] <mybalzitch> baby don't hurt me
[13:14] <rick123> https://pastebin.com/raw/h0DDtWyk
[13:15] <rick123> whoami = ubuntu
[13:15] <oerheks> see permissions, only root can delete it
[13:16] <rick123> oerheks: ubuntu is user and group right? and since u+w is there ubuntu can delete it?
[13:16] <Allie> rick123: to delete a file, you need permissions on the directory the file is in
[13:16] <rick123> on the directory also u+w is there
[13:16] <rick123> drwxrwxr-x 42 ubuntu ubuntu         12K Aug  1 13:12 .
[13:17] <rick123> It is /home/ubuntu
[13:17] <rick123> pwd = /home/ubuntu
[13:17] <oerheks> use sudo?
[13:17] <Allie> rick123: sticky bit set?
[13:17] <rick123> $ chmod go+w production2 = operation not permitted
[13:17] <Allie> hmm
[13:17] <Crin> ty oerheks: that works
[13:17] <rick123> $ sudo rm production2 = operation not permitted
[13:17] <Allie> _hmm_
[13:18] <Crin> i have to remember to check ufw after an upgrade
[13:18] <Crin> thank you for your time pavlos, weedmic
[13:18] <rick123> Sticky bit should show as `t` right? it doesn't
[13:18] <Allie> rick123: what was `lsattr` tell you?
[13:19] <Allie> `lsattr -a` on the directory, specifically
[13:19] <pavlos> rick123: is this a live ubuntu session?
[13:20] <rick123> pavlos: Not sure what that means but I am logged into one of our ubuntu servers/VMs on GCP and trying to delete a file
[13:21] <rick123> Allie: `-----------I--e---- ./.`
[13:21] <pavlos> this file is in /home/ubuntu/production2
[13:22] <rick123> pavlos: yes
[13:25] <rick123> $ sudo su - && rm /home/ubuntu/production2 = Operation not permitted
[13:26] <Allie> rick123: can you *touch* things?
[13:26] <rick123> yeah touched a file
[13:26] <rick123> I can do `cp production2 production2-bkp && rm production2-bkp` works fine
[13:26] <pavlos> do ls -al and show the two top files ./ and ../
[13:27] <oerheks> sudo rm -rf /home/ubuntu/production2
[13:27] <rick123> pavlos: https://pastebin.com/raw/VsfcYa5x
[13:27] <rick123> oerheks: Operation not permitted
[13:30] <rick123> I was reading tghis - https://manage.accuwebhosting.com/knowledgebase/3352/How-to-Prevent-Fileor-Directory-Modification-Deletion-and-Renaming-in-Linux.html - but I don't see any immutable flag on the file
[13:30] <pavlos> rick123: stat production2
[13:31] <rick123> sorry there is i flag tghere
[13:31] <rick123> got it, thanks :)
[13:32] <pavlos> chattr -i production2 should remove immu flag
[13:44] <ABZen> Troubleshooting repeated wifi connection failure due to DHCP4 activation time-out, following recent update in Ubuntu 20.04.6.
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> try a previous kernel as a test ABZen
[13:44] <ABZen> Good point. Will do.
[14:16] <ccha> how I can see which cpu are E and which ones are P with lspcu or htop any command?
[14:35] <ABZen> lotuspsychje I tried 5.15.0-76 and 5.15.0-75 with same result, i.e. dhcp4 times out 80-90% of the time. Current kernel is 5.15.0-78. Other updates done at the same time seem unrelated: R, CURL, SAMBA, Chrome, Python, MySQL, WinBind client. Possible exception is amd64-microcode but I don't really know. I also tried disabling iptables with no effect.
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> ABZen: best to share your full dmesg to the channel, might need a deeper investigation
[14:41] <hid3> when your problem started appearing?
[14:42] <hid3> maybe it's DHCP server's problem rather than your Ubuntu box?
[14:42] <ABZen> lotuspsychje Okay thanks.  Do I just paste it into a message or is there a way to attach a file?
[14:43] <ravage> !paste | ABZen
[14:44] <ABZen> hid3 Problem started immediately after update. All other devices are able to connect to this wifi network and get an IP address correctly.
[14:45] <hid3> was it automatic/periodic/unattended update or did you issue it manually?
[14:45] <ABZen> hid3 Confusingly this device is able to connect to the one other wifi network I've been able to test it on. It's just this device on this particular network that is a problem, and only since update two days ago.
[14:45] <ABZen> hid3 I issued it manually.
[14:45] <ABZen> ubottu Thank you.
[14:46] <pavlos> ccha: lscpu --all --extended      cpu on same core are P
[14:48] <LoWang> Ok, I need someone smarter than I. I have a system boot drive with a separate home drive. Did a reinstall using the more custom install with separate partitions for each of the special folders, like /var /swap etc. Ok now the issue, /var became full, and I saw issues. I moved /var to /home/var as a quick fix. One problem I saw is I can't open
[14:48] <LoWang> "settings" from the UI menu (gnome-control-center). So troubleshooting I tried from the cli (gnome-control-center) and get this. testparm: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libldbsamba.so.0.  Also, if I do sudo apt updat &&
[14:48] <LoWang> sudo apt upgrade -y, I get this one.                                  Setting up samba-common-bin (2:4.15.13+dfsg-0ubuntu1.2) ...
[14:48] <LoWang> Checking smb.conf with testparm
[14:48] <LoWang> testparm: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libldbsamba.so.0: undefined symbol: ldb_msg_element_is_inaccessible, version LDB_2.4.4
[14:48] <LoWang> dpkg: error processing package samba-common-bin (--configure):
[14:49] <pavlos> ccha: on a 12-core (8-mt/4-st) 12th Gen Intel Core i7-12700K ... https://termbin.com/p1ys4
[14:50] <ccha> pavlos: I don't see any diff about E or P
[14:52] <pavlos> ccha: the 12700K has 12 cores, 8 P and 3 E
[14:52] <pavlos> ccha: the 12700K has 12 cores, 8 P and 4 E
[14:54] <ccha> I mean there are CPU0 to CPU20 but which one are the 4E? CPU0 to CPU3 are the E ones? or is it CPU15 to CPU19?
[14:55] <ccha> so with htop I know there are loads on the E or P CPUs
[14:56] <pavlos> ccha: cpu0 and cpu1 are core 0, 2-3 are core 1, ... the last 4 (16-19) are E.
[14:57] <ccha> ok
[14:57] <ccha> I see that too in dmesg
[14:58] <ccha> [    0.043940] pcpu-alloc: [0] 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 [0] 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15
[14:58] <ccha> [    0.043945] pcpu-alloc: [0] 16 17 18 19 -- -- -- --
[15:01] <ccha> hum, I see small activities more on P that on E. The kernel don't care about P or E and the load dispatch is like no P or E?
[15:03] <pavlos> usually, E are parked until needed. Most of the work is done with P.
[15:05] <pavlos> Pcores have higher performance and also support simultaneous multi-threading (SMT). Ecores, instead, are more focused on energy efficiency than performance.
[15:07] <ccha> watching youtube, and take only 1 or 2% cpus, isn't it better to use E cpus than P cpus?
[15:08] <ogra> to watch youtube you better use your GPU 🙂
[15:09] <ccha> internal GPU
[15:09] <ogra> doesnt matter, it should not affect the CPU if the GPU renders
[15:11] <LoWang> Ok, I need someone smarter than I. I have a system boot drive with a separate home drive. Did a reinstall using the more custom install with separate partitions for each of the special folders, like /var /swap etc. Ok now the issue, /var became full, and I saw issues. I moved /var to /home/var as a quick fix. One problem I saw is I can't open
[15:11] <LoWang> "settings" from the UI menu (gnome-control-center). So troubleshooting I tried from the cli (gnome-control-center) and get this. https://dpaste.com/5BPRH96FN
[15:17] <tepperson> hello, I am trying to get the tftpd-hpa server working with a bugged pxe client. It looks like it adds a 0xff byte to the end of the request filename. can tftpd-hpa compensate for this with a remapping file?
[15:21] <oerheks> LoWang, most likely because /var/ contains snaps too .. time to backup data and reinstall?
[15:22] <oerheks> ubuntu uses 1 partition standard, to avoid running out of space
[15:22] <leftyfb> LoWang: there is no benefit to separating out the partitions like you did. It only leads to your exact issue. Reinstall and stick with the defaults
[15:23] <oerheks> du -a /var/ | sort -n -r | head -n 20  # would show largest files..
[15:23] <oerheks> err largest folders
[15:31] <tepperson> alternatively, how can i make a file that has a 0xff byte at the end of the filename?
[15:32] <ioria> tepperson, http://rawtechnology.blogspot.com/2014/09/certain-machines-cant-boot-from-linux.html
[15:35] <ABZen> Re wifi failure / dhcp4 timeout in 20.04.6, dmesg is at https://dpaste.com/4UBDUA8YC , captured immediately after it failed to connect. In the meantime, I've been able to ascertain that the problem is with wifi specifically; a wired connected to the same router / DHCP server works just fine.
[15:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> on ubuntu for windows (wsl2) with no systemd, i can `service ssh start`, but how do i enable the ssh service to start on boot?
[15:36]  * NoImNotNineVolt can't remember a life before systemd
[15:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> * Usage: /etc/init.d/ssh {start|stop|reload|force-reload|restart|try-restart|status}
[15:37] <mybalzitch> you could add a line to /etc/rc.local calling /etc/init.d/ssh start
[15:37]  * bittin_working is installing some Debian and Ubuntu Server at work atm
[15:37] <ogra> NoImNotNineVolt, you'd create a symlink in the respective /et/rc.X.d directory for the runlevel in use
[15:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> ogra: that sounds right, thanks
[15:38] <oerheks> ubuntu for windows (wsl2) with no systemd ???
[15:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> oerheks: that's the default
[15:38] <ogra> took me a minute to remember too 🙂
[15:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> sorry, with no systemd as pid 1
[15:38] <ogra> well, you can enable systemd
[15:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> i could, but then i'd be running a lot of stuff that i don't need to
[15:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> $ runlevel
[15:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> unknown
[15:39] <NoImNotNineVolt> hooray wsl :\
[15:43] <ioria> ABZen, have you tried to disable power saving  ?
[15:43] <pavlos> tepperson: echo -n -e '\xff'
[15:46] <ABZen> ioria I haven't. Do you mean Settings > Power > Wi-Fi - Wi-Fi can be turned off to save power? Or is there some more general power saving "all off" feature?
[15:46] <ioria> ABZen, sudo sed -i 's/3/2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/*
[15:48] <oerheks> ABZcheck for the bios update, yours seems old
[15:49] <jrom> Hello, I'd like to ask if someone could help me with flatpak theming in Ubuntu 23.04. Is it still necessary to create a "~/.themes" folder?
[15:50] <pavlos> tepperson: echo -n hello > tepp; echo -n -e '\xff' >> tepp; hexdump -C tepp
[15:52] <tepperson> ioria: that is what i was looking for, i had to put the literal bytes into my file with the suggestion similar to the one from pavlos though
[15:52] <ioria> tepperson, ok
[15:52] <oerheks> jrom, this page might be a help https://www.linuxfordevices.com/tutorials/linux/themeing-flatpak-application
[15:53] <oerheks> but flatpak is not our core, snaps are
[15:55] <jrom> I'm aware of this tutorial (and the It's foss version), but they don't specify if I actually need a "~/.themes" folder or if just overriding the variables should work
[15:56] <oerheks> they do
[15:57] <oerheks> and it might work, after logout/login again
[15:57] <oerheks> else check #flatpak here on #libera
[15:58] <jrom> Thanks, I'll try again. I don't know why, but the last time I did it, Nautilus started having really big paddings in grid view
[16:03] <jrom> After logging out and logging in again, the flatpaks are still in the light theme (I'm trying to use Yaru-blue-dark everywhere).
[16:05] <ioria> jrom, i think you need to give  application access  to the theme location
[16:06] <jrom> But this is the default theme, it's not in my home folder
[16:07] <jrom> This is why I asked if I should actually have a "~/.themes" folder
[16:07] <ioria> default theme are not in ~/.themes
[16:07] <ioria> *s
[16:08] <ioria> maybe gtk3 vs gtk4
[16:08] <jrom> Yes! But the tutorials say that I needed the command "sudo flatpak override --filesystem=$HOME/.themes"
[16:09] <ioria> and it's wrong
[16:09] <jrom> Hmm, how can I check if an app is Gtk3 or Gtk4? My flatpaks are zotero, g4music and flatseal
[16:10] <ioria> then use flatseal
[16:10] <ioria> jrom, add the /usr/share/themes/ directory to the application’s filesystem permissions
[16:12] <ioria> jrom, this link might help : https://devicetests.com/apply-system-theme-flatpak-apps-gtk4-ubuntu
[16:15] <jrom> I tried it, but they still have the light theme <https://i.imgur.com/JUEZ96L.png>
[16:17] <WoC> How would I go about disabling all apt key checks ?
[16:17] <ioria> jrom, install the dark theme from flatpak
[16:18] <jrom> I already did, it's available when I type flatpak list `Yaru-Blue-dark GTK theme                   org.gtk.Gtk3theme.Yaru-Blue-dark                         21.10.3ubuntu5     stable          flathub     system`
[16:19] <jrom> I'm not sure what is happening, but if possible I don't want to actually create a "~/.themes" folder as my home folder is already cluttered enough
[16:21] <ioria> jrom, GTK_THEME=Yaru:dark <app>
[16:23] <jrom> To be sure, I should also install the flatpak Yaru-dark theme?
[16:23] <WoC> Or would I need to edit the source for something like apt or dpkg in order to remove the key checks ?
[16:24] <oerheks> WoC, unusual request. if your source gives no key, build packages yourself?
[16:24] <WoC> I only have the key id, so I have no way of installing the missing keys
[16:25] <oerheks> care to share what does not give a valid key , and on what ubuntu?
[16:25] <WoC> Err:29 https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/jjriek/rockchip/ubuntu jammy InRelease
[16:25] <WoC>   The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F02122ECF25FB4D7
[16:25] <WoC> E
[16:27] <WoC> Maybe my memory is broken, but it used to be some way to import keys by id
[16:27] <jrom> I tried installing the Yaru-dark flatpak (`org.gtk.Gtk3theme.Yaru-dark`) and I changed the key in flatseal (<https://i.imgur.com/2Kh1zGm.png>), but I've got no change after logging out
[16:27] <oerheks> WoC, maybe you added the ppa wrong? https://launchpad.net/~jjriek/+archive/ubuntu/rockchip works here
[16:28] <oerheks> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jjriek/rockchip
[16:29] <WoC> ah, thanks. most appreciated
[16:30] <oerheks> have fun!
[16:33] <ioria> jrom, btw, is Yaru-dark not Yaru:dark
[16:46] <vic-thor> what is the package / place / whatever to report bugs regarding the initramfs scripts that unlock the zfs encrytped root?
[16:53] <lotuspsychje> vic-thor: we reccomend before filing a bug, to describe your issue here, maybe volunteers are familiar with it, or know an existing bug
[16:55] <LoWang> I'm back.
[16:57] <vic-thor> I downloaded ubuntu 22.04.02 and installed with the options zfs + encryption, after rebooting the password is not accepted
[16:57] <WoC> capslock ?
[16:58] <vic-thor> no, after dropping to the shell i can finally see something im typing, and i type correctly
[16:58] <ravage> most common problem is another keyboard layout
[16:58] <leftyfb> LoWang: please don't PM
[16:59] <vic-thor> it shows the layout i chose in the installer, and after dropping to the shell i can see what i type
[16:59] <WoC> vic-thor, are you on a non us keyboard ? such as french or german ?
[16:59] <LoWang> ok, I don't use chat.....pretty much ever.
[16:59] <vic-thor> WoC: spanish
[17:00] <LoWang> so, basically nobody has any more answers than I already do?
[17:00] <WoC> Maybe the symbols are different, i don remember the spanish keymap
[17:00] <vic-thor> but i can see them after it fails, i can retype and it matches what i could see in the installer
[17:01] <vic-thor> after two installations i took photos :D
[17:01] <WoC> odd
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> LoWang: did you try the advice oerheks and leftyfb suggested to you?
[17:01] <WoC> just make sure you are not trying zfs on an actual raid
[17:02] <vic-thor> i picked one disk the installer suggested me
[17:02] <ravage> vic-thor: in general it may be a good idea to use luks encryption and only use ZFS for storage. it is not even sure that ZFS will be supported again on 24.04
[17:02] <ravage> in 23.04 and 23.10 it is absent from the installer completely
[17:03] <WoC> Hope you have good backups, vic-thor, recovering data from zfs is futile
[17:03] <vic-thor> this is a fresh install
[17:03] <vic-thor> ive double checked on virtualbox even
[17:03] <ravage> why would you use ZFS on virtualbox?
[17:04] <vic-thor> to test the bug :P
[17:04] <alkisg> LoWang: you may state a summary of the problem if you wish, for those that didn't see the previous chat
[17:06] <LoWang> sure, summary is /var filled, moved to /home/var. Most software is fixed, but still getting testparm symbol lookup error for libldbsamba.so.0  ldb_msg_element_is_inaccessible.
[17:06] <LoWang> also, my google-fu isn't producing useful results.
[17:07] <alkisg> LoWang: start with a `sudo dpkg -V` to check for missing or corrupted files
[17:08] <oerheks> LoWang, nobody seems to have /var/ moved to /home/ have you tried simply reinstall samba?
[17:11] <LoWang> dpkg -V , interesting, I'm getting results with that one, gotta remember that one. ok, finished, a couple doc and man files. 3 locations missing winbind. ??5?????? /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libldbsamba.so.0 , double checked and it's there, not sure what the ?5?????? means.
[17:12] <LoWang> same for /etc/sysctl.conf
[17:12] <LoWang> of course samba is missing, but it can't install so that make sense
[17:13] <vic-thor> so, which package is responsible of the unlocking of the zfs root?
[17:13] <oerheks> LoWang, time to reinstall
[17:15] <alkisg> LoWang: upload the output of dpkg -V to a pastebin and paste the link here. There's also `sudo debsums -s` which shows the package name. For corrupted packages, you should reinstall them.
[17:15] <alkisg> vic-thor: probably something under /usr/share/initramfs-tools; if you do find it, then run `dpkg -S /path/to/script` to discover the package to blame
[17:16] <LoWang> https://dpaste.com/FV7Y8JDFY
[17:16] <LoWang> debsums command not found.
[17:17] <alkisg> LoWang: yes it needs to get installed. What's the output of: ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libldbsamba.so.0
[17:17] <LoWang> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 191288 Mar 30 08:25 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libldbsamba.so.0
[17:18] <alkisg> LoWang: try: sudo apt install --reinstall samba-libs
[17:18] <alkisg> LoWang: after that, run another sudo dpkg -V, and see if that line no longer appears
[17:19] <alkisg> LoWang: also, how did you move /var into /home/var, just cp and then symlink? Or e.g. rsync/cp -a, and bind-mount?
[17:20] <LoWang> bummer, same testparm error. on the /var/ question, it was a couple months ago? So, don't quite remember, I think it was a copy and bind-mount
[17:21] <alkisg> LoWang: well it's easy to check, pastebin the output of `mount; cat /etc/fstab; ls -ld /var`
[17:22] <ash_m> has anyone else had this issue? it doesn't seem to be very popular and I can't find out why other people aren't running into or why I _am_ running into it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1433479/maximized-windows-become-maximized-behind-launcher
[17:22] <ash_m> figure* out
[17:23] <alkisg> LoWang: also, was the "ldb_msg_element_is_inaccessible" issue fixed, and what is this other "testparm" issue?
[17:23] <LoWang> # UUID=ebe3f465-e674-4006-90f1-0b47662a3f69 /var            ext4    defaults        0       2
[17:24] <alkisg> That's a comment, so no bind-mount there
[17:25] <LoWang> I put that as a reference but apparently the second line didn't show.
[17:25] <LoWang> ok, appears a line can start with '/' /home/var /var	none	bind
[17:26] <LoWang> Checking smb.conf with testparm
[17:26] <LoWang> testparm: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/libldbsamba.so.0: undefined symbol: ldb_msg_element_is_inaccessible, version LDB_2.4.4
[17:27] <Niclos> Hello all, I have downloaded gcc-9.2.0.tar.gz files and how can I install and configure it in a specific path?
[17:27] <ioria> LoWang, question marks in listing files are not a good sign; might suggest wrong directory rights
[17:28] <LoWang> I was wondering about permissions.
[17:28] <ioria> LoWang, execute permission in particular
[17:28] <alkisg> LoWang: was the dpkg -V error line resolved after the reinstallation of the package? If so, the next thing to try would be to resolve the other error lines, and to reboot so that the libraries are properly loaded
[17:32] <leftyfb> alkisg: they didn't keep the permissions/ownership for any of the files. libraries and packages are all out of whack. Yes, it's possible to recover from this. The time it would take to do so is measured in days for someone not experienced. It's easier, quicker and recommended to just reinstall
[17:32] <LoWang> ok so the ?5?????? is now gone for the libldbsamba.so.0 is gone. the /etc/sysctl.conf is still there.
[17:33] <alkisg> leftyfb: ah, I thought we got past that part; yeah permissions of dynamically generated files under /var can be tricky to fix...
[17:34] <oerheks> Niclos, you seem to have the source? build it, and use something like this page to select 9.2 https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-switch-between-multiple-gcc-and-g-compiler-versions-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa
[17:34] <oerheks> !build
[17:34] <ioria> LoWang, ls -l /etc/sysctl.conf
[17:35] <LoWang> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2391 May  7 21:03 /etc/sysctl.conf
[17:35] <oerheks> Niclos, warning, you are using an unsupported gcc version, i guess you are on your own
[17:35] <ioria> LoWang, ls -ld /etc/
[17:36] <LoWang> drwxr-xr-x 151 root root 12288 Aug  1 12:33 /etc/
[17:37] <ioria> LoWang, sudo apt install --reinstall procps
[17:38] <LoWang> finished, but still got the same error. Of course I have installed things, got that error and it still worked.
[17:38] <ioria> LoWang, can you paste it ?
[17:39] <ravage> vic-thor: https://p.haxxors.com/3lh3xvmq.mp4
[17:39] <LoWang> https://dpaste.com/7XBB5KWCR
[17:39] <Niclos> oerheks: the link is not shows specific version of gcc.
[17:40] <ioria> LoWang, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:40] <oerheks> only after you build and installed 9.2, it can be shown there..
[17:40] <oerheks> good luck!
[17:41] <LoWang> sadly failed, https://dpaste.com/HTYCCSA8E
[17:41] <LoWang> I've been fighting this one for a while, but we did make a little progress.
[17:42] <Niclos> oerheks: what about the manually downloaded tar files.
[17:43] <oerheks> Niclos, build them? see the url ubottu gives. also 9.2 is so old, 2020, there is no valid reason to use it today
[17:43] <ioria> LoWang, sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common-bin* /tmp
[17:44] <LoWang> done
[17:44] <ioria> LoWang, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:45] <LoWang> that worked. I knew there was something I was missing.
[17:45] <oerheks> why not install 9.5? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-9/
[17:45] <ioria> LoWang, sudo apt update
[17:45] <LoWang> although, I did get : Could not execute systemctl:  at /usr/local/bin/deb-systemd-invoke line 142.
[17:46] <LoWang> I'll try an update first.
[17:46] <ioria> local bin is not a standard path to install things
[17:47] <LoWang> not sure why it's doing that.
[17:47] <ioria> the location is /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke
[17:47] <LoWang> update seems to work ok
[17:47] <ioria> LoWang, ls -l /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke
[17:48] <LoWang> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6156 Feb 15  2022 /usr/bin/deb-systemd-invoke
[17:49] <ioria> LoWang, ls -l /usr/local/bin/
[17:51] <LoWang> https://dpaste.com/ACY8NG8AQ
[17:51] <ioria> you have a problem
[17:52] <LoWang> mentally yes. Spent too many years with microsucks
[17:52] <ioria> LoWang, nope,i mean;that directory should be (virtually) empty
[17:53] <LoWang> yeah.... that's weird.
[17:54] <ioria> LoWang, i think you cp /usr/bin to local
[17:54] <ioria> *cped
[17:55] <LoWang> not sure how
[17:56] <LoWang> or when
[17:57] <ioria> LoWang, well, if /usr/bin is ok, you can remove the content of local
[17:57] <LoWang> so I did a diff and they aren't the same but very similar.
[17:58] <ioria> LoWang, sy,have to go; good luck
[17:58] <LoWang> I got a meeting starting.
[17:58] <LoWang> thanks
[18:04] <Niclos> oerheks: the petalinux build required gcc version 9.2.0
[18:04] <pagios-> can i ask an nginx reverse proxy question here?
[18:08] <oerheks> Niclos, not true; this guide just adds gcc, that could end up with gcc 9.4 on Focal https://www.fpgadeveloper.com/how-to-install-vitis-and-petalinux-2022.1/
[18:08] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-9/
[18:10] <Niclos> oerheks: petalinux version that I have is 2020.1
[18:39] <ash_m> has anyone else had this issue? it doesn't seem to be very popular and I can't find out why other people aren't running into or why I _am_ running into it: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1433479/maximized-windows-become-maximized-behind-launcher
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> ash_m: maybe related to bug #2021915 ?
[18:41] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 2021915 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu) "dock overlays the rename box" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2021915
[18:54] <jongsta> so it used to be discouraged to do a dist upgrade on ubuntu if installing from a fresh new base was difficult or challenging. is that still the case and if so why?
[18:56] <leftyfb> jongsta: sudo apt full-upgrade
[18:56] <oerheks> no problems here, with apt dist-upgrade
[18:56] <leftyfb> jongsta: also, did that terraform function I gave you last week work out?
[18:56] <jongsta> i haven't tried it yet, thanks for reminding me!
[18:57] <jongsta> leftyfb: so you're saying it's safe to do this for like a production server?
[18:58] <jongsta> instead of a fresh install of ubuntu 20.04 for example
[18:58] <jongsta> if upgrading from 18.044
[18:58] <leftyfb> uh
[18:58] <leftyfb> Completely different topic
[18:58] <jongsta> i mean i'm not talking about messing around in a hacker space :)
[19:00] <oerheks> do-release-upgrade did not fail on me since 8.04
[19:00] <jongsta> it's one thing to fail. it's another to avoid as many headaches as possible if possible
[19:04] <leftyfb> jongsta: are you saying you're going to upgrade to 20.04 from 18.04 using apt dist-upgrade?
[19:05] <jongsta> that's what one of my coworkers plans to do
[19:05] <leftyfb> I never suggest in-place upgrades in production. Always a fresh install
[19:05] <jongsta> do you have any documentation that would elaborate on why to do it that way?
[19:05] <leftyfb> jongsta: what's your plan when/if the upgrade fails?
[19:05] <Niclos> oerheks: petalinux version that I have is 2020.1
[19:05] <jongsta> leftyfb: he's doing it on a backup first
[19:06] <oerheks> roll out a test server > production
[19:06] <oerheks> Niclos, on what ubuntu?
[19:06] <oerheks> 2020 is a bit old ..
[19:06] <oerheks> i would use the 22 factoid i posted
[19:06] <jongsta> and i suggested doing it on a fresh server as i always thought it was "best practice" to do it this way but i'm having difficulty finding documentation to support that
[19:07] <Bombo> is there any way to route a sata dvdrom from 'server' over ip to another computer 'client' so that it could be used as if it were local? like usbip for usb devices?
[19:07] <jongsta> i've found a few articles that suggest doing it this way but they're no different than any given opinion
[19:07] <jongsta> hard to explain 20 years of experience to a new sys admin heh
[19:08] <leftyfb> Bombo: sshfs, cifs, nfs the mount. But no, probably not in the way you're thinking
[19:08] <leftyfb> oh wait
[19:09] <leftyfb> iscsi
[19:09] <leftyfb> forgot about that
[19:09] <leftyfb> Bombo: look into iscsi
[19:09] <Niclos> oerheks: ubuntu 22.04
[19:11] <Bombo> leftyfb: ok *looks*
[19:12] <leftyfb> Bombo: why not just copy the files off the DVD onto a flash drive or something? Or copy them over a network mount?
[19:13] <oerheks> Niclos,  i leave you with it, there is no reason to install gcc 9.2
[19:13] <Bombo> leftyfb: not sure if that would work with the css
[19:13] <leftyfb> Bombo: css?
[19:14] <Bombo> leftyfb: crypted dvd
[19:14] <leftyfb> Bombo: oh, so you're talking about a move DVD
[19:15] <leftyfb> also, css was broken a LONG time ago and is literally just a library that installs from 1 package these days
[19:52] <ABZen> Back to troubleshooting wifi/DHCP problem, where 80-90% of the time fails to connect because DHCP times out.
[19:52] <ABZen> Syslog extract is here: https://dpaste.com/GHGQMR6BY
[19:53] <ABZen> This happens with my laptop running 20.04.6 on my home network. All other devices on the same network are working fine.
[19:54] <ABZen> Started after system update to kernel 5.15.0-78 two days ago, but rolling back kernel did not help.
[20:01] <ABZen> Question: How do I figure out why it is timing out, e.g. is it genuinely not receiving a response or is something else getting in the way? The syslog isn't very helpful here.
[20:02] <sarnold> yeah :(
[20:31] <jhutchins> I had a system that did that.  Turned out the $5 network card was bad, never saw the replies.  I think we used wireshark to detect the problem.
[20:45] <dti> ola
[20:53] <blahdeblah> Asking again for the other side of the world: is there a supported/recommended way to get software RAID installed on an Ubuntu desktop?
[20:53] <blahdeblah> Last time I did this it was on the old Debian installer, but now RAID seems to be gone from the desktop installer.
[20:53] <blahdeblah> Is it a better option to use the server installer, then apt install ubuntu-desktop?
[20:58] <sarnold> blahdeblah: I don't know the desktop installer well, but server installer and then installing desktop stuff later sounds like the path I'd take :(
[21:39] <oac> Are there big-endian ubuntu ISOs available for download without needing a special IBM account? I tried s390x but seems there's some IBM developer account hoops through which I do not wish to jump.
[21:42] <jhutchins> oac: What kind of hardware do you have?
[21:43] <leftyfb> pretty sure big-endian was unsupported many years ago
[21:44] <oac> jhutchins: I have an x86 machine, I'd just really like to do some big endian testing on an Ubuntu image in a qemu VM.
[21:46] <jhutchins> oac: I would be really surprised if that worked.
[21:48] <echelon> i was able to use qemu for running aix, but it was very slow
[21:49] <oac> jhutchins: I mean, qemu supports full hardware virtualization, including big endian VMs on little endian hosts, I thought.
[21:49] <gordonjcp> it does
[21:49] <gordonjcp> but it doesn't mean that it can do it quickly
[21:50] <gordonjcp> oac: unless you're running stuff in qemu on the same CPU as the host you can't really do hvm
[21:56] <echelon> yeah, it's really useless to do hw virt, you're better off getting a ppc or something
[21:59] <oac> Well, I downloaded the Ubuntu s390x ISO, and I can install qemu-system-s390x, shouldn't that work alright? I don't need kvm, don't care about performance at all really, just need to guarantee correctness.
[22:03] <echelon> i don't think there's a guarantee of correctness
[22:12] <hellscaped> yo
[22:12] <hellscaped> I'm having some strange issues with my touchscreen
[22:13] <hellscaped> For some reason its identified as STMD1234 in xinput?
[22:13] <hellscaped> and yes I am the same guy
[22:14] <hellscaped> I accidentally had two sessions open with one on a different nick
[22:14] <hellscaped> anyways so
[22:14] <hellscaped> the touchscreen is being recognized as a mouse
[22:14] <hellscaped> which is strange
[22:15] <hellscaped> I tap the screen and it just stays there
[22:15] <hellscaped> I debugged the presses with Xev
[22:15] <hellscaped> and its mouse clicks not touch press
[22:15] <hellscaped> which is very strange
[22:15] <hellscaped>  hellscaped  ~  xinput
[22:15] <hellscaped> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[22:15] <hellscaped> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[22:15] <hellscaped> ⎜   ↳ ELAN0B00:00 04F3:306C Touchpad          	id=17	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[22:15] <hellscaped> ⎜   ↳ STMD1234:00 06CB:1058                   	id=15	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[22:15] <hellscaped> ⎜   ↳ WCOM0032:00 2D1F:001D Stylus Pen (0)    	id=18	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[22:20] <imi> hi, if you install the update-motd package, the motd gets printed twice when you log in via ssh
[22:20] <leftyfb> imi: don't install the update-motd package
[22:21] <imi> leftyfb: how can I update the motd by hand (from a shell script)?
[22:21] <oerheks> !info show-motd
[22:23] <leftyfb> imi: from: apt show update-motd:   This package installs a script that immediately dynamically generates a message-of-the-day by running scripts installed in /etc/update-motd.d, in lexical order. Other packages, or system administrators should symlink scripts into /etc/update-motd.d, pre-pending a 2-digit number to handle ordering.
[22:24] <imi> I'm not concerned with the motd being shown or not, I'm concerned with it being updated at will
[22:25] <leftyfb> ok, then update it as you see fit
[22:25] <leftyfb> the update-motd just generates a number of those files, which already exist so you get dupes
[22:25] <oerheks>  Executable  scripts in /etc/update-motd.d/* are executed by pam_motd(8)  as the root user at each login
[22:26] <oerheks> you can force with sudo run-parts /etc/update-motd.d/
[22:34] <ravage> oac: https://p.haxxors.com/9ytw9tiv.txt
[23:17] <de-facto> audio stuttering is back, less than with pulseaudio but pipewire also is buggy :(
[23:17] <de-facto> is there ANY sound server for linux that is stable?
[23:18] <jhutchins> de-facto: There must be, a lot of professionals use Linux for audio recording and editing.
[23:19] <jhutchins> de-facto: I know there are resources on the net, there are even printed books.
[23:20] <jhutchins> de-facto: It may involve using something like a realtime kernel.
[23:21] <de-facto> none of them seem to work on my ubuntu it always switches by itself between hdmi and analog which makes me want to throw this computer out of the window
[23:22] <jhutchins> de-facto: Not all hardware is up to the task either.  I have a dedicated SoundBlaster card.
[23:22] <de-facto> it was a LOT worse with pulse audio but it just started to occasionally happen too with pipewire
[23:23] <jhutchins> de-facto: Ubuntu might not be the solution.  Again, there are a lot of guidelines available on the web, including which flavors of which distros are best.
[23:23] <de-facto> i dont want anything fancy, just an audio playback at constant volume in the same sink
[23:24] <de-facto> how can any sound system assume the user wants it to automatically switch audio sinks? this pretty much ALWAYs is against the users interests, hence why do they implement that at all?
[23:36] <de-facto> maybe blacklisting snd_hda_codec_hdmi ?
[23:43] <de-facto> audio in linux really is a complete disaster since years
[23:51] <de-facto> ok removing all kernel modules that contribute more than one audio sink disabled that stupid automatic switching of output sinks during playback. i really dont understand why developers would think that this is a feature that users would appreciate if the audio server changes output in the middle of playback
[23:51] <de-facto> if it could at least be disabled, but apparently it can not support more than one sink at the same time


[06:14]  * OvenWerks thinks gmorgan does something like that
[10:38] <wonko> When taking a screenshot kdeinit5 falls over: Executable: kdeinit5 PID: 84607 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 29/06/21 11:37:11 WEST
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Did you report the crash as a bug report? There's no need to post that here.
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> !bug | wonko
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> In this case, ubuntu-bug kdeinit5
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> wonko: Also, bear in mind, the Kubuntu team maintains the KDE packages, we do none of that here.


[14:59] <bdrung> \o
[15:00] <ogayot> o/
[15:00] <liushuyu> o/
[15:01] <adrien> \o
[15:01] <dviererbe> o/
[15:01] <mkukri> o/
[15:01] <slyon> o/
[15:01] <pushkarnk> o/
[15:02] <mateus-morais> o/
[15:02] <upils> o/
[15:04] <mclemenceau> o/
[15:05] <zhsj> o/
[15:06] <adrien> pushkarnk: do you have more details about the key store stuff?
[15:06] <bdrung> #startmeeting
[15:06] <meetingology> Meeting started at 15:06:57 UTC.  The chair is bdrung.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[15:07] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[15:07] <bdrung> #topic Lightning rounds
[15:07] <bdrung> #link https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/foundations-team-updates-thursday-19-oct-2023/39594
[15:08] <pushkarnk> adrien: yes, I have it internally documented. I can share it with you.
[15:10] <adrien> pushkarnk: thanks
[15:11] <bdmurray> bdrung: Has a test been added for apport to ensure the data is collected in the crash?
[15:11] <pushkarnk> adrien: basically, PKCS#12 is not FIPS approved :/
[15:12] <bdmurray> slyon: you were asking about an early release for bug 2039503 right?
[15:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2039503 in network-manager (Ubuntu Mantic) "package network-manager 1.44.2-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: installed network-manager package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 10" [Critical, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039503
[15:13] <slyon> correct
[15:13] <slyon> SRU verification is done and autopkgtest failures should be resolved
[15:15] <bdrung> bdmurray, https://github.com/canonical/apport/pull/224 modifies the test cases to cover the crash reporting part.
[15:15] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Pull 224 in canonical/apport "ui: don't rely on Dependencies to know if collect_info() has been run" [Merged]
[15:15] <bdrung> (see https://github.com/canonical/apport/pull/224/commits/a16de4ec2771012a19e5d6b3075b3a914bf6a851)
[15:16] <slyon> danilogondolfo: FYI: I just pushed https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/netplan/+git/ubuntu/log/?h=ubuntu-mantic so you can target your SRU branch against that one
[15:16] <danilogondolfo> slyon, thank you :)
[15:19] <bdrung> everybody done with reading and asking questions?
[15:22] <bdmurray> dbungert: there was an issue you saw during the release
[15:22] <bdmurray> when you were doing upgrade testing with disk layouts iirc
[15:22] <dbungert> bdmurray: ah, the grub thing?  yes, I added some info to a bug, let me dig up a number
[15:23] <dbungert> LP: #1937011
[15:23] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 1937011 in grub2-signed (Ubuntu) "package grub-efi-amd64-signed 1.169+2.04-1ubuntu45 failed to install/upgrade: installed grub-efi-amd64-signed package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 32" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1937011
[15:23] <dbungert> I concluded it wasn't a new problem and added a reproducer script to the bug
[15:24] <bdmurray> so want to fix the typo in the description
[15:25] <bdmurray> bdrung: I think we can move on
[15:26] <bdrung> #topic Release incoming bugs
[15:26] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-mm-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:26] <bdrung> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/2038807
[15:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Launchpad bug 2038807 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "/usr/libexec/packagekitd:6:g_assertion_message:g_assertion_message_expr:pk_transaction_dispose:pk_transaction_dispose:g_object_unref" [High, New]
[15:28] <bdmurray> It only has 219 crashes so far...
[15:28] <bdmurray> But then again upgrades aren't enabled yet
[15:29] <bdrung> there are not that many crash reports at all on errors.ubuntu.com for mantic: https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2023.10&period=month
[15:30] <bdmurray> Let's save it for next week when julian is back
[15:30] <bdrung> okay
[15:30] <bdrung> next: bug #2039268
[15:30] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2039268 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "When upgrading to Mantic, it fails to install snap firmware-updater" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2039268
[15:31] <bdmurray> I've made contact with the snapd team about this.
[15:31] <bdmurray> I'm not certain it is something fixable in ubuntu-release-upgrader
[15:32] <bdrung> so leave it there to keep it on the list for the snapd team?
[15:32] <bdmurray> Having said that having Nick look at it when he gets back would be good
[15:32] <bdmurray> So let's foundations-todo it and we can close the card if the snapd team comes back with something helpful
[15:33] <bdrung> okay, tagged
[15:34] <bdrung> next: bug #2037894
[15:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 2037894 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "broadcom-sta-dkms not installed post-installation" [Undecided, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2037894
[15:35] <bdmurray> this reporter again?
[15:36] <danilogondolfo> so annoying
[15:36] <bdmurray> I'll tag it rls-mm-notfixing
[15:38] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ll-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:38] <bdrung> empty for us
[15:38] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-jj-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:38] <bdrung> bug #1990798
[15:38] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Bug 1990798 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade fails if ESM enabled" [Critical, Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1990798
[15:39] <bdrung> According to the last comments, this bug cannot be reproduced and logs are missing.
[15:42] <bdrung> Should we remove the incoming tag or just wait until it expires?
[15:43] <bdmurray> Wait but maybe the QA team should setup an automated test for this
[15:43] <bdrung> okay, leaving it untouched
[15:43] <bdrung> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:44] <bdrung> nothing for us
[15:44] <bdrung> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:44] <bdrung> #link https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:44] <bdrung> interestingly there are two packages on the list
[15:44] <bdmurray> because there isn't a devel release?
[15:45] <bdrung> but shouldn't it be empty then?
[15:45] <bdrung> anyway
[15:45] <bdrung> #topic AOB
[15:45] <adrien> swi-prolog's "error: test cat2: no_exception"
[15:49] <bdrung> adrien, do you want to look at the swi-prolog/9.0.4+dfsg-2ubuntu1 failure?
[15:51] <bdrung> any last words?
[15:51] <adrien> bdrung: not really :D
[15:51] <bdrung> then let's keep it for next week.
[15:51] <bdrung> #endmeeting
[15:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:51:51 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-10-19-15.06.moin.txt
[15:52] <adrien> but I don't have urgent things on my plate next week
[15:52] <adrien> this thing might require a PPC64 machine first and that might take some time to provision :D


[02:34]  * lfaraone is currently looking at: Poll Activity (by kandarpk)
[02:35] <dfarning> hey lfaraone good to see you.
[02:35] <lfaraone> hey dfarning
[02:36] <dfarning> lfaraone, today will be heavy on the packaging again.
[02:36] <dfarning> lfaraone, with a brief into into telepathy.
[02:40] <dfarning> lfaraone, as you go along can you introduce dipankar in to what needs to happen before he can be a maintainer for a package or group of packages?
[02:41] <lfaraone> dfarning: well, all he needs for that is to have his name in the "Maintainer" field. In the case of debian-olpc, we have team maintinence, but list specific people as Uploaders (Jonas, and the SEETA guy responsible for the activity, for example)
[02:42] <lfaraone> dfarning: if you mean to be able to upload packages where he's in said fields without a sponsor checking his work, in Debian he needs to be a Debian Maintainer (which means a DD has to endorse him and (possibly a differrrent) a DD has to sign his key), and have "DM-Upload-Allowed: yes" set in the debian/control file.
[02:44] <dfarning> lfaraone, Yes the goal is to get to that point within a few months.
[02:57] <lfaraone> dfarning: cool. they'll have to arrange the DD signature, but Jonas or (when I'm a DD) I can endorse the appl./
[03:10] <dfarning> lfaraone, Can we start looking for people to sign their keys now?
[03:11] <lfaraone> dfarning: sure.
[03:11] <lfaraone> dfarning: http://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers#IN
[03:12] <dfarning> lfaraone, ok that is the sort of thing manusheel is a wiz at doing.... he knows everybody:)
[03:34]  * dipankar says hello to all :)
[03:39] <dfarning> good morning dipankar
[03:39] <dipankar> dfarning, hi
[03:39] <dfarning> how is the reading coming:)
[03:40] <dipankar> I have just woke up. :( Will continue reading in an hour
[03:42] <dfarning> dipankar, what do you have planed for today?
[03:43] <dipankar> dfarning, as Manu sir told last night, I have to draft a workflow for new seeta members, who will be working with Sugar Team
[03:45] <dipankar> dfarning, I am dilemma here: whether to start with PPA or git with new Members... Right now situation demands git, but PPA is somewhat easier to try on before git.
[03:45] <dipankar> * I am in dilemma
[03:46] <dfarning> dipankar, +1, I would start with PPA.
[03:47] <dfarning> dipankar, the git method is specialized and hides a bunnch of important stuff behind scripts.
[03:48] <dipankar> yeah. if not gone through that, git will just become a bunch of commands for some work.
[03:51] <lfaraone> dfarning: maybe it'd be good to have some folks backport https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/601219 by prepairing a debdiff for the earlier ubuntu versions...?
[03:51] <lfaraone> dfarning: (10.04) as practice.
[03:52] <dipankar> lfaraone, hi.
[03:53] <lfaraone> dfarning: very very very straightforward, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/sugar-flipsticks-activity/maverick/revision/3/debian/install and a changelog entry.
[03:53] <lfaraone> hey dipankar
[03:53] <dipankar> lfaraone, the install directory problem?
[03:54] <lfaraone> dipankar: yep. we just need to tell it to install in a different dir, as demonstrated in the link.
[03:54] <lfaraone> dipankar: via a debdiff. tutorial: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff
[03:55] <lfaraone> dipankar: with the distro being "lucid-proposed" and the proceedure for submitting the patch being at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:56] <dipankar> lfaraone, yup. Looks like an easy task. I feel it somewhat similar to git diff & git commit
[03:56] <lfaraone> dipankar: what it does do is give people *real* Ubuntu packaging practice, and their changes actually get uploaded to the main Ubuntu archive.
[03:57] <lfaraone> since I can sponsor them.
[03:58] <dipankar> lfaraone, that would be nice. So who can work on this? Are you referring to new comers?
[03:58] <dfarning> lfaraone, will you work with neeraj on this when he comes online?
[03:59] <lfaraone> dfarning: sure.
[03:59] <lfaraone> dipankar: anybody.
[04:00] <dipankar> dfarning, I would also like to try this, :)
[04:01] <dfarning> dipankar, you have your hand fulls working on becoming Debian Maintainer.
[04:02] <dipankar> oops yeah!
[04:03] <lfaraone> okay, connect installs and runs in squeeze. reviewed.
[04:04] <dipankar> lfaraone, I seem to have some problem with my Debian on Virtual Box
[04:04] <dipankar> lfaraone, I am unable to install any package :(
[04:08]  * dipankar is away: Be Right Back
[04:28] <lfaraone> dfarning: does it make sense to repeat myself when I'm reviewing three activities by the same person which have identical issues?
[04:32] <lfaraone> kandarpk: hi, most of the points in the review I sent of connect apply to memorize as well. and why does memorize contain "sugar-memorize-activity_34+git20091021.837e6c6b.orig.tar.gz.id" in the root directory? :)
[04:33] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I removed it from the folder, maybe forgot to remove from git repo.
[04:33] <kandarpk> sorry
[04:33] <kandarpk> will correct it
[04:33] <dfarning> lfaraone, a trick I learned while TAing was to keep and editor open with common corrections. For now I suggest just cutting and pasting as necessary.
[04:34] <lfaraone> kandarpk: not a big issue. if you could quickly fix the issues I mentioned in poll and memorize, I'll avoid wasting our time and space by repeating myself. (by holding off on the review until you've pushed up)
[04:34] <lfaraone> *the issues I mentioned on my email of connect in poll and memorize
[04:35] <lfaraone> dfarning: hehe, yeah, I've been copypasting from prior emails, but the glue was getting my workspace all sticky.
[04:35] <dfarning> :)
[04:35] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I am not using my PC right now :(
[04:36] <lfaraone> kandarpk: understood.
[04:36] <dfarning> dipankar, what are you writing and who is your audience?
[04:36] <kandarpk> dfarning: hi
[04:36] <dfarning> morning kandarpk
[04:37] <kandarpk> dfarning: good morning
[04:37]  * lfaraone will brb in 15
[04:37] <kandarpk> dfarning, lfaraone: how different is packaging for core sugar from sugar-activities ?
[04:39] <dfarning> kandarpk, basically it is the same.  Just a bit more complicated.
[04:40]  * dipankar is back (gone 00:31:42)
[04:41] <dipankar> kandarpk, Hi, I am having some trouble with Debian. I am unable to download and install any package by running 'apt-get' in root
[04:41] <dfarning> kandarpk, do you have time stamps on your logs? About 1.5 hours ago lfaraone had a good idea for introducing the Ubuntu workflow by fixing some straight forward bugs.
[04:42] <kandarpk> dipankar
[04:42] <kandarpk> try synaptic
[04:42] <kandarpk> if that works
[04:42] <dipankar> I am not able to find synaptic too. :(
[04:43] <lfaraone> dipankar: post the error message and I'll look at it when I get back in 10
[04:44] <dipankar> lfaraone, ok. I am back in 5
[04:45] <dfarning> dipankar, can you email with the requirements of document you are writing?
[04:46] <dipankar> dfarning, ok.
[04:47] <dfarning> dipankar, thanks I have to go for about an hour:(  But I'll get back to you as soon as possiable.
[04:48] <dipankar> dfarning, no problem.
[04:54] <kandarpk> lfaraone: pushing memorize activity gives error: ! [rejected]        pristine-tar -> pristine-tar (non-fast-forward)
[04:54] <kandarpk> kandarpk lfaraone: details here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463619/
[04:54] <kandarpk> lfaraone: pulling pristine-tar gives branch already upto date.
[04:55] <kandarpk> dipankarl: please mail me as well the documentation you prepare on working on PPA.
[04:55] <lfaraone> kandarpk: not sure.
[04:56] <lfaraone> dipankard: your nick is gaining appendages! :D
[04:56] <dipankarl> kandarpk, thats for new comers :)
[04:56] <lfaraone> dipankard: any luck apt-getting?
[04:56] <kandarpk> dipankarl: I am sure it will have something I don't know yet
[04:57] <dipankarl> kandarpk, nah! Just starters
[04:57] <dipankard> lfaraone: Just about to start
[04:58] <dipankard> * running debian 5.0 on virtual box
[04:58] <kandarpk> dipankarl: you just copy me. I am not very confident working on PPA
[04:58] <dipankarl> kandarpk, no problem. I will do that for sure :)
[05:00] <kandarpk> dipankarl: thanks
[05:00] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I didn't receive your mail regarding the review of poll-activity
[05:01] <dipankard> lfaraone: at the end of my name : *d refers to desktop and and *l refers to laptop
[05:01] <kandarpk> dipankard: multitasking!
[05:02] <dipankard> * ok here is the problem: E: Couldn't find package vlc
[05:04] <kandarpk> dipankard: you can try installing synaptic so that you know what all packages are there in the debian repo
[05:05] <dipankard> I ran: root@debian:~#apt-get install vlc
[05:05] <dipankard> kandarpk: There a high probability that vlc is in debian repo
[05:06]  * dipankarl is away: Be Right Back
[05:06]  * dipankard is on Desktop
[05:07] <lfaraone> kandarpk: resent. if it doens't get in your inbox, check the mailing list archives.
[05:07]  * lfaraone is off for the night.
[05:07] <dipankar> goodnight lfaraone
[05:08] <dipankar> kandarpk: can you please tell me how you installed the packages? Was there something in installation?
[05:09] <kandarpk> dipankar: I installed synaptic. all packages were listed there
[05:10] <dipankar> kandarpk: and the sugar packages that luke told to test? how are you installing them?
[05:12] <kandarpk> dipankar: sugar-0.84, 0.86, 0.88 all were there in the list
[05:12] <dipankar> kandarpk: I downloaded the .deb of synaptic and that also did not install.
[05:12] <dipankar> :(
[05:12] <kandarpk> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:13] <dipankar> kandarpk: Not working. I am planning to install Debian once again. Can you guide me? It will take 15-20 minutes at max.
[05:14] <kandarpk> dipankar: I dont think installing again will help
[05:15] <kandarpk> dipankar: but if you wish you can try to
[05:15] <dipankar> kandarpk: I remember screwing up something during installing. There is no loss in installing again :)
[05:15] <kandarpk> dipankar: ok.
[05:19] <dipankar> kandarpk: started installation: Automated install
[05:20] <kandarpk> dipankar: ok
[05:20] <kandarpk> dipankar: you will find an option to test cd for errors
[05:23] <dipankar> kandarpk: you there?
[05:24] <dipankar> kandarpk: its asking for a preconfiguration file
[05:24] <kandarpk> dipankar: I didn't receive any notification like that
[05:24] <dipankar> Let me start all over again
[05:25] <kandarpk> dipankar: I've sent you the steps I followed
[05:25] <dipankar> kandarpk: thanks :)
[05:25] <kandarpk> dipankar: they should help.
[05:26] <kandarpk> dipankar: anything not being there means I didn't had that issue
[12:14] <dfarning> good morning neeraj
[12:14] <dfarning> how are you?
[12:15] <neeraj> dfarning: good morning..
[12:15] <neeraj> dfarning: I am fine.. and u?
[12:16] <dfarning> good thanks
[12:16] <dfarning> neeraj, what are you plans?
[12:17] <neeraj> dfarning: At present I am in my college for some work.. I will reach home in 3hr. after that I will test write and record on 0.84,0.86 and 0.88
[12:18] <neeraj> dfarning: Did ny one from seeta started packaging  core packages
[12:18] <neeraj> ?
[12:20] <dfarning> neeraj, great let's wait on the core packages for a week or so.  nothing is pressing.
[12:20] <neeraj> dfarning: Ok..
[12:20] <dfarning> neeraj, But we would like you to take a look at some Ubuntu bugs.  They are easy to fix.
[12:21] <neeraj> dfarning: sure..
[12:30] <dfarning> neeraj, great thanks
[12:31] <dfarning> lfaraone will also be a available in 1.5 to 2 hours to help.
[12:33] <neeraj> dfarning: ok. I will wait for him..
[12:35] <dfarning> neeraj, here is our discussion about the issue.
[12:35] <dfarning>  dfarning: maybe it'd be good to have some folks backport https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/601219 by prepairing a debdiff for the earlier ubuntu versions...?
[12:35] <dfarning>  dfarning: (10.04) as practice.
 lfaraone, hi.
 dfarning: very very very straightforward, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/sugar-flipsticks-activity/maverick/revision/3/debian/install and a changelog entry.
 hey dipankar
 lfaraone, the install directory problem?
 dipankar: yep. we just need to tell it to install in a different dir, as demonstrated in the link.
[12:35] <dfarning>  dipankar: via a debdiff. tutorial: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/Debdiff
[12:35] <dfarning>  dipankar: with the distro being "lucid-proposed" and the proceedure for submitting the patch being at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
 lfaraone, yup. Looks like an easy task. I feel it somewhat similar to git diff & git commit
 dipankar: what it does do is give people *real* Ubuntu packaging practice, and their changes actually get uploaded to the main Ubuntu archive.
[12:35] <dfarning>  since I can sponsor them.
 lfaraone, that would be nice. So who can work on this? Are you referring to new comers?
 lfaraone, will you work with neeraj on this when he comes online?
[12:42] <neeraj> dfarning: unable to open http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/sugar-flipsticks-activity/maverick/revision/3/debian/install
[12:50] <neeraj> * will be back within an hour
[13:13] <dfarning> Ian_Daniher, ping
[14:11] <lfaraone> morning.
[14:11] <lfaraone> dfarning: that link works for you, rigt?
[14:12] <dfarning> lfaraone yes it did.
[14:12] <dfarning> and good morning
[14:12] <dfarning> neeraj, lfaraone is available:)
[14:13] <neeraj> lfaraone: good morning
[14:13] <lfaraone> morning neeraj.
[14:21] <neeraj> * reading the links for applying patch.
[14:38] <lfaraone> neeraj / neeraj_ let me know if you have trobule.
[14:39] <neeraj_> lfaraone, yes facing trouble while running patch -pl command.. wait a min I am trying once again..
[14:39] <lfaraone> neeraj_: that's "-p1"
[14:39] <lfaraone> neeraj_: one, not ell.
[14:40] <neeraj_> hmm.. I copied the command.. anyway.. trying one more time
[14:41] <neeraj_> I have renamed the 3_2.diff file to sugar-flipsticks-activity_1-0ubuntu2.diff
[14:45] <neeraj_> lfaraone, http://paste.ubuntu.com/464039/
[14:45] <neeraj_> patching method for diff and debdiff is same or different?
[14:48] <neeraj_> lfaraone, -pnumber.. number should be 1 or something else?
[14:48] <lfaraone> neeraj_: "patch -p1"
[14:49] <lfaraone> neeraj_: please read the manual page for patch. it's arguments go as follows: "patch [options] [originalfile [patchfile]]"
[14:50] <lfaraone> neeraj_: so if you wanted to apply a patch to the present dirctory, you'd do "patch -p1 `pwd` path/to/file.patch"
[14:51] <neeraj_> lfaraone, ok.. I used patch -p1 and nothing happening.. have u seen the paste link?
[14:53] <lfaraone> neeraj_: yes.
[14:53] <neeraj_> ok I was missing '<'
[14:53] <lfaraone> neeraj_: yes, "patch -p1 < path/to/file.patch" would also work.
[14:56] <neeraj_> lfaraone, http://paste.ubuntu.com/464053/
[14:57] <dfarning> neeraj_,  the '<' symbol causes redirection please see http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/io-redirection.html
[15:00] <lfaraone> neeraj_: please paste your patch, the contents of changelog, and the contents of install.
[15:03] <neeraj_> lfaraone, first tell me do I have to make changes in diff file?
[15:03] <lfaraone> neeraj_: I am not sure what you mean.
[15:04] <lfaraone> neeraj_: wait. you're applying the existing diff file? it's already been applied...
[15:04] <neeraj_> I mean the patch u created.. 3_2.diff file.. Do I need to remove ur name and add mine. I don't think so
[15:04] <neeraj_> No.. I download it from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/maverick/sugar-flipsticks-activity/maverick/revision/3/debian/changelog#debian/changelog
[15:06] <lfaraone> neeraj_: you should make the change to the install file manually, add a new changelog entry (of the version scheme "1-0ubuntu1.UBUNTUVERSION.1", like "1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>"), do a source build of the package, then generate teh debdiff.
[15:07] <neeraj_> lfaraone, ok.
[15:07] <lfaraone> neeraj_: you're supposed to create a debdiff, not apply one :X
[15:07]  * dipankar says Hello :)
[15:08] <dipankar> dfarning, hi. Thanks for the modifications in the work flow.
[15:09] <dfarning> dipankar, you are welcome:)  I'll try to add layers in bite sized pieces this time.
[15:09] <dipankar> dfarning, that will be great.
[15:11] <neeraj_> lfaraone, done
[15:12] <lfaraone> neeraj_: cool. can you show me your debdiff?
[15:15] <kandarpk> dfarning, lfaraone, dipankar, neeraj_ : Hi.
[15:15] <lfaraone> hi kandarpk .
[15:16] <dipankar> hey kandarpk , hi :)
[15:17] <neeraj_> lfaraone, http://paste.ubuntu.com/464064/
[15:22] <lfaraone> neeraj_: please fix the version number per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdatePreparation#Update%20the%20packaging
[15:23] <lfaraone> neeraj_: (there is already a package with that version in Maverick)
[15:23] <lfaraone> neeraj_: also, you're packaging the fix for Lucid, right? shoudln't the dist be "lucid-proposed" and not "maverick"?
[15:24] <neeraj_> lfaraone, sorry missed that point which u mentioned earlier in the morning..
[15:29] <lfaraone> neeraj_: no worries.
[15:30] <neeraj_> lfaraone, If the lastest version is 1-0ubuntu2 then I should just change it to 1-0ubuntu2.1 ?
[15:32] <neeraj_> Also as we are packaging for lucid then we need to check for latest version in lucid only or Maverick to(thought I guess latest version gets released for both at same time)
[15:32] <lfaraone> neeraj_: the latest version in *maverick* is 1-0ubuntu2. The latest version in lucid, karmic, jaunty, intrepid is 1-0ubuntu1.
[15:33] <lfaraone> neeraj_: the idea is when backporting or SRUing a fix the version number of the backported fix MUST be less than the version in later releases but greater than that of the current release.
[15:34] <lfaraone> neeraj_: usually a good idea is to take the old version number and add ".UBUNTU_VERSION.1" to it. like 1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>, for example.
[15:34] <neeraj_> lfaraone, ok. thats why in SRUing and backporting we just keep increasing version by adding .1 and so
[15:36] <neeraj_> lfaraone, ok So I hope 1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> will be fine?
[15:36] <lfaraone> neeraj_: no, since that is GREATER than the version in maverick...
[15:37] <neeraj_> or we have to update it acco to latest version of package in lucid that is ubuntu1
[15:37] <lfaraone> neeraj_: so what should the number be?
[15:38] <neeraj_> 1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[15:38] <lfaraone> neeraj_: right.
[15:39] <neeraj_> lfaraone, should I update control file acco to Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:39] <neeraj_> XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Ross Burton<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:40] <neeraj_> though lintian didn't pointed out it when I build with out touching the control file
[15:41] <neeraj_> I mean lintian used to gave a warning when we used to build packages for sugar-team ppa..
[15:42] <lfaraone> neeraj_: "XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Ross Burton<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is just an example.
[15:42] <neeraj_> I remember when I asked you said that it is not a problem at present but we will have to make changes in it if we want to send it into ubuntu
[15:42] <kandarpk> lfaraone: how do I remove debian/stamps-configure/ ?
[15:43] <lfaraone> neeraj_: it should probably be set to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <kandarpk> git rm debian/stamps-configure/ doesn't help
[15:43] <neeraj_> lfaraone, yes I know.. I will replace it with current maintainer Jani Monoses<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:43] <lfaraone> neeraj_: with XMBC being set to Jani.
[15:43] <lfaraone> kandarpk: what eerror did you get?
[15:43] <kandarpk> lfaraone: fatal: pathspec 'debian/stamps-configure' did not match any files
[15:44] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I had removed the folder from debian, but I need to delete it from git as well, right ?
[15:44] <lfaraone> kandarpk: what does "git status" tell you?
[15:45] <kandarpk> # On branch master
[15:45] <kandarpk> # Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 34 commits.
[15:45] <kandarpk> #
[15:45] <kandarpk> # Untracked files:
[15:45] <kandarpk> #   (use "git add <file>..." to include in what will be committed)
[15:45] <kandarpk> #
[15:45] <kandarpk> #	.pc/
[15:45] <kandarpk> nothing added to commit but untracked files present (use "git add" to track)
[15:45] <lfaraone> kandarpk: okay, you're good then, I guess.
[15:46] <kandarpk> lfaraone: ok, thanks. correcting the packages again :(
[15:47] <kandarpk> lfaraone: one more thing,  * Switch to dpkg-source 3.0 (quilt) format was inserted automatically on build
[15:47] <neeraj_> lfaraone, should I change standard version to latest 3.9.0 ? In maintainer I have added  Ubuntu SugarTeam<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:47] <kandarpk> lfaraone: so I thought it was necessary
[15:47] <lfaraone> neeraj_: no, you don't need to .
[15:48] <lfaraone> kandarpk: it was inserted automatically when you switched the format.
[15:48] <lfaraone> kandarpk: it's useful to note if you had previously uploaded the package to Debian and wanted to let people know what chanegd, but we've never done such a thing, so the informatin isn't useful.
[15:48] <kandarpk> lfaraone: ok, got it
[15:49] <neeraj_> lfaraone, ok.. Here is the link of lintian output.. If I need to change something then please tell http://paste.ubuntu.com/464080/
[15:50] <lfaraone> neeraj_: right. since we're SRUing, it's usually good to just make the smallest change possible. none of what you mentioned is really terrible, so it can be ignored for now. if this was a new package or being uploaded to Debian unstable, I'd have you go and fix them.
[15:56] <neeraj_> lfaraone, debdiff http://paste.ubuntu.com/464081/
[15:57] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I've pushed connect-activity, will push memorize and poll within an hour
[15:58] <lfaraone> neeraj_: cool. do that for logviewer, memorize, pollbuilder, if you would, and attach your debdiffs for each of them to the LP bug at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-0.88/+bug/601219
[15:59] <lfaraone> neeraj_: and edit the description adding to the top information that meets the criteria at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[16:01] <neeraj_> lfaraone, didn't got ur last point..
[16:03] <lfaraone> neeraj_: the bug description. in order for a SRU to be approved, the bug description needs to be updated to include the information required per the SRU criteria.l
[16:04] <neeraj_> lfaraone, ok
[16:07] <lfaraone> kandarpk: awesome.
[16:21] <neeraj_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/464094/
[16:36] <neeraj_> poll builder http://paste.ubuntu.com/464100/ and memorize  http://paste.ubuntu.com/464101/
[16:36] <neeraj_> * away (dinner)
[16:39] <kandarpk> lfaraone: I've pushed connect, memorize, poll activities
[16:39] <kandarpk> lfaraone: please review them when you get time.
[16:50] <dfarning> lfaraone how is every thing going today?  it looks like good progress
[16:52] <lfaraone> dfarning: decently.
[16:52] <lfaraone> sorry, just came back from lunch.
[16:55] <dfarning> lfaraone is it possiable to push other patches to lucid -proposed so we can start getting rid of the PPA?
[16:56] <lfaraone> dfarning: very much so. I'd highly recommend it, since it both directly provides value (people using ubuntu sans PPA can work with Sugar) and gains us good experience.
[16:56] <lfaraone> dfarning: I'm not too familiar with the patches you've had to apply, but open bugs for them , have the developers attach debdiffs or bzr branches, fill out the SRU criteria and subscribe me.
[17:00] <dfarning> lfaraone  Ok, let's have neeraj work on that over the next couple of days. That way he will gain valuable experience.
[17:00] <dfarning> lfaraone I'll try to isolate out some of the patches for him to get started.
[17:11] <dfarning> lfaraone the reason that I orginally went with the PPA was so that we could start working on more recent version of Sugar.
[17:12] <dfarning> the ppa has .88.1 while universe has .87.2
[17:12] <dfarning> ankurkhurana__, hello
[17:12] <ankurkhurana__> hello dfarning
[17:12] <dfarning> ankurkhurana__, how are you?
[17:13] <ankurkhurana__> dfarning,  i am good.And good morning :)
[17:13] <ankurkhurana__>  I was going through the emails and i found that i did some mistakes with ITP
[17:13] <ankurkhurana__> can i rectify it or do i have to file it again .
[17:13] <ankurkhurana__> ?
[17:14] <dfarning> ankurkhurana__, what were the mistakes?
[17:15] <lfaraone> dfarning: well, for that we can backport, or, if there are no new features, SRU the important bits.
[17:16] <dfarning> lfaraone the biggest difference I noticed was the different use of cdbs
[17:17] <lfaraone> dfarning: oh?
[17:22] <ankurkhurana__> dfarning,  i am in and out , just give i am checking my connection . I will be back
[17:22] <ankurkhurana__> *ping
[17:24]  * lfaraone is out.
[17:25] <dfarning> lfaraone, I had to use a newer versions of cdbs
[17:38] <kandarpk> dfarning: around ?
[17:40] <dfarning> kandarpk, yes
[17:41] <kandarpk> dfarning: how do I start with core packages ?
[17:41] <kandarpk> start in the same manner and see if it works ?
[17:43] <dfarning> kandarpk, pretty much:) they might be a bit more complicated.
[17:43] <kandarpk> dfarning: in what sense ?
[17:44] <dfarning> activities usualy have very few dependancies and are all installed in a single dir.
[17:45] <dfarning> activities, for the most part depend on API, provided by core sugar.
[17:46] <dfarning> while the core sugar packages need to interact with the os on a system level.
[17:47] <dfarning> for example pushing the shut down menu must trigger the correct system level call to start the computer shut down process.
[17:48] <neeraj__> dfarning, how can I un-install a particular activity from sugar?
[17:49] <neeraj__> sudo apt-get remove is not showing activities..
[17:49] <dfarning> neeraj__, how was it installed.
[17:50] <dfarning> neeraj__, if it was install manually you can just delete the activitity bundle in ~/.sugar
[17:50] <neeraj__> dfarning, flipsticks activity.. Inot manually
[17:50] <neeraj__> *not
[17:51] <dfarning> neeraj__, is sugar-activites installed?
[17:51] <kandarpk> dfarning: ok.
[17:51] <dfarning> neeraj__, that is a collection of activites that were all installed at once.
[17:52] <neeraj__> ^^ yes
[17:52] <dfarning> neeraj__, It is the thing we are trying to get rid of and replace with individually packaged activities.
[17:52] <kandarpk> neeraj__: does flipsticks work when you run sugar ( is it really installed ) ?
[17:54] <neeraj__> kandarpk, yes.. its working fine
[17:55] <kandarpk> try sudo dpkg -r sugar-flipsticks-activity
[17:55] <neeraj__> dfarning, I am trying to create bug report for SRUing
[17:56] <kandarpk> neeraj__: you can hit tab to autocomplete package name
[17:56] <neeraj__> no
[18:03] <neeraj__> kandarp where can I find activities in ./sugar?
[18:03] <neeraj__> any idea?
[18:05] <kandarpk> neeraj: no.
[18:05] <kandarpk> neeraj: what are you looking for ?
[18:06] <kandarpk> trying to remove installed activities ?
[18:06] <neeraj> not all.. but specific activities only..
[18:07] <neeraj> May be bcz we installed all activities using the activity bundle, I am unable to un-install single activity
[18:07] <neeraj> how can I un-install all activities?
[18:09] <kandarpk> neeraj: I use synaptic
[18:13] <neeraj> kandarpk, sugar tool is installed in ur system?
[18:14] <kandarpk> neeraj: you mean sugar-emulator ?
[18:14] <neeraj> kandarpk, please try to install sugar-flipsticks-activity on lucid
[18:14] <kandarpk> neeraj: working on debian right now
[18:15] <kandarpk> you can mail me, I'll try in about 30 min
[18:15] <neeraj> kandarpk, ok.. is flipsticks working properly in debian?
[18:15] <neeraj> I think it is..
[18:16] <neeraj> ankur_, around?
[18:16] <ankur_> neeraj: yes
[18:16] <kandarpk> neeraj: I don't have its .deb
[18:17] <neeraj> ankur_, u r on lucid or win?
[18:17] <ankur_> lucid
[18:17] <neeraj> ankur, is flipsticks installed in ur system?
[18:17] <ankur_> kandarpk:  i had a question to ask as well
[18:17] <ankur_> neeraj not yet as of now .
[18:17] <ankur> kandarpk,  when i commit a change and push it to git
[18:18] <kandarpk> ankur: yes ankur_
[18:18] <neeraj> kandarpk, can u prep a doc for git.. I mean what all we have to do and avoid while pushing
[18:18] <ankur> can i make another change after that
[18:18] <neeraj> I guess now you are quite experienced in it :)
[18:18] <ankur> or do i need to pull cahnges again
[18:18] <kandarpk> ankur: that is what I do!
[18:18] <ankur> you pull changes again?
[18:18] <neeraj> ankur try to run sudo apt-get install sugar-flipsticks-activity
[18:19] <kandarpk> ankur: you dont need to pull unless the git repo is changed
[18:19] <ankur> neeraj trying it, but what happened
[18:19] <ankur> okay
[18:19] <ankur> but let me post it
[18:19] <ankur> okay not post
[18:19] <ankur> but let me first explain
[18:19] <ankur> i deleted watch file , and now i want to commit that in change.
[18:19] <ankur> is that not possible or something that git does not allow?
[18:20] <neeraj> I need to check a bug related to its installation but the problem is that I have already installed it and unable to uninstall it now :|
[18:20] <ankur> neeraj doing that
[18:20] <ankur> can you copy me the bug
[18:20] <kandarpk> ankur: git rm debian/watch
[18:20] <ankur> kandarpk,  thanks :)
[18:21] <kandarpk> neeraj: didn't dpkg work ?
[18:21] <neeraj> kandarpk, no
[18:21] <ankur> neeraj, installing it
[18:22] <neeraj> kandarpk, for checking the compability u repeatedly installed all three version of emulator?
[18:22] <kandarpk> neeraj: they were of 1 MB only :)
[18:22] <neeraj> or just first checked on one version and then another..?
[18:23] <neeraj> cool then
[18:23] <neeraj> also u kept changing and committing on the same git repository which u pushed or copied it somewhere else?
[18:24] <kandarpk> neeraj: copied means ?
[18:24] <neeraj> I mean created a spereate git for testing
[18:24] <neeraj> *separate
[18:25] <kandarpk> neeraj: yup, copied the package, tested on all three, and made final changes to the original one
[18:25] <neeraj> kandarpk, ok :)
[18:26] <ankur> neeraj flipstick install kar liya now what?
[18:26] <ankur> what is the bug?
[18:26] <ankur> also
[18:26] <neeraj> is it working?
[18:26] <ankur> did you tried sudo apt-get remove sugar-flipsticks-activity ?
[18:26] <neeraj> ankur, yes
[18:30] <neeraj> ankur, is it working?
[18:31] <ankur> one min
[18:31] <neeraj> ankur, ok
[18:31] <ankur> well it is not showing in index
[18:31] <ankur> just a sec
[18:31] <ankur> let me reinstall
[18:32] <neeraj> ankur, thats the bug :)
[18:33] <ankur> neeraj wait , is that activity uploaded to ppa in activity bundle or just otherwise?
[18:33] <ankur> lemme check
[18:34] <neeraj> ankur, I don't knw whether its in ppa activity bundle or not
[18:34] <ankur> it is not in ppa it may be bundled then ;
[18:35] <ankur> neeraj install log viewer
[18:35] <ankur> i am too doing it
[18:35] <ankur> let us see if we can find something there
[18:36] <neeraj> kandarpk, If you get free time then please make a documentation summarizing all the reviews which lfaraone gave to your packages pushed in git/collab-maint and mentioning the bugs which u faced.
[18:36] <neeraj> *mention
[18:36] <ankur> and also the git document
[18:36] <ankur> -ation
[18:37] <kandarpk> neeraj, ankur : will try to mail it to you by tomorrow
[18:37] <kandarpk> 4pm
[18:38] <neeraj> kandarpk, thank you..please do it only when you have nothing much to do :)
[18:39] <ankur> neeraj,  installed log?
[18:39] <kandarpk> neeraj: it will help if you could mail me the steps you took today for Ubuntu packaging
[18:40] <kandarpk> neeraj: you can leave the commands, that I can search, but just mention the overview, and what the steps were used for
[18:41] <ankur> neeraj even log is not being shown in UI
[18:42] <neeraj> kandarpk, ankur  the problem is that these packages get installed in usr/share/activities
[18:42] <neeraj> ankur, please check usr/share/activities problem.
[18:43] <ankur> neeraj will do it . Was modifying one package. So will need some time
[18:43] <neeraj> kandarpk, ankur for fixing this only small change is required.. We have to just change the install directory to usr/share/sugar/activities
[18:43] <kandarpk> neeraj: ok.
[18:44] <kandarpk> neeraj: do you have some idea on it ?
[18:45] <neeraj> kandarpk, for fixing this bug we just need to change the install directory in debian/install
[18:45] <neeraj> I have done the required changes
[18:46] <neeraj> Now I need to file a bug report so that I can forward it to ubuntu so that they will include it in Stable Update Release (SUR)
[18:47] <neeraj> for the bug report I needed to reproduce it.. which I was unable to do as I told you that the flipsticks activity is not getting un-installed
[18:47] <kandarpk> please mail me the .deb
[18:47] <kandarpk> I'll try
[18:50] <kandarpk> neeraj: ^^
[18:51] <neeraj> kandarpk, ankur uninstall problem got solved :)
[18:51] <kandarpk> neeraj: howz that ?
[18:51] <ankur> how ?
[18:52] <neeraj> I asked on sugar channel, I had to just to go the list view and right click/hover on the activity.. Then the package shows an option of erase :)
[18:54] <kandarpk> neeraj: ok
[18:56] <neeraj> kandarpk, ankur also just someone told me that I can go to my home directory/Activities folder and delete that a particular activity :)
[19:17] <Ian_Daniher> ankur: yt?
[19:20] <neeraj> Ian_Daniher, ankur will be back after 30 min or so..
[19:23] <dfarning> ankur how are you?
[19:23] <manusheel> dfarning: Hi David. Ankur will be back in half an hour.
[19:24] <dfarning> manusheel, how was your talk?
[19:24] <manusheel> dfarning: Very well.
[19:24] <dfarning> manusheel, great what was it about?
[19:25] <manusheel> dfarning: It was about Collaborative learning through SocialCalc spreadsheet.
[19:26] <dfarning> manusheel, interesting.
[19:26] <manusheel> I focused on both the paradigms of networking - mesh and cloud (public and private).
[19:27] <manusheel> dfarning: I demonstrated the sharing of SocialCalc activity on Sugar using the mesh networking scheme too.
[19:27] <manusheel> Came along well.
[19:27] <dfarning> manusheel, very cool
[19:28] <manusheel> dfarning: Thank you.
[19:43] <Ian_Daniher> neeraj: thanks.
[21:36] <Ian_Daniher> ankur: yt?
[21:37] <ankur> Hello Ian_Daniher
[21:37] <Ian_Daniher> ankur: Caroline mentioned you were working on ISO customization
[21:37] <Ian_Daniher> ankur: what's up?
[21:39] <Ian_Daniher> ankur: what are you trying to accomplish?
[21:39] <ankur> well Regarding ISO customization ?
[21:41] <ankur> Ian_Daniher, If you are talking in general , this might be the link that can provide more insight https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuSugarRemix
[21:42] <ankur> well . to have a complete overview dfarning  and manusheel might be the right person to ask as i am guided by them :)
[21:44] <ankur> Ian_Daniher, well i think that link might provide an overview but were you trying to point towards something else ?
[21:45] <satellit__> iso customization works in fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD
[21:45] <satellit__> FYI
[21:47]  * ankur ankur is going to sleep ,good night
[21:47] <ankur> :)