[08:29] <bkerensa> !netcat | bkerensa
[08:40] <AlecTaylor> hi
[08:50] <bkerensa> hi
[08:51] <AlecTaylor> Is there a neat open-source solution like eventbrite or meetup.com?
[09:18]  * AlecTaylor opened up the discussion over whether I should open-source my SaaS: http://openclosedsource.wikia.com
[10:30] <AlecTaylor> Will open-sourcing my SaaS solution adversely affect my revenue? - Contribute to Discussion and Notes: http://openclosedsource.wikia.com / http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/130341
[10:47] <brendand> AlecTaylor - this isn't really the place for such a topic
[14:01] <micahg> !dmb-ping
[14:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:02] <Laney> hi thar
[14:02]  * stgraber waves
[14:04] <tumbleweed> aw, no applicants
[14:05] <Laney> REJECT THEM ALL
[14:05] <stgraber> wow, has been a while since we had that situation :)
[14:05] <micahg> am I next on the rotation for chair?
[14:05] <Laney> no meeting, no chair :P
[14:05] <micahg> well, we do have business :)
[14:06] <stgraber> can we drop Sylvestre Ledru from the agenda? I think he's been on there for almost a year (if not more ;))
[14:07] <tumbleweed> micahg: i suspect so
[14:07] <Laney> sure
[14:07] <micahg> ok, let's get started
[14:07] <micahg> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[14:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 16 14:07:32 2012 UTC.  The chair is micahg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[14:07] <micahg> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:08] <micahg> #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone
[14:08] <micahg> do we know if that was done?
[14:08] <Laney> i think he said he was going to send it before this meeting, and I haven't seen anything
[14:09] <Laney> so ...
[14:09] <micahg> ok, carried fwd
[14:09] <micahg> #subtopic bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing
[14:09] <micahg> this was done
[14:09] <micahg> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2012-January/001161.html
[14:09] <micahg> #topic Review any packageset descriptions that have been received (micahg)
[14:10] <micahg> oops, I meant to do that under previous actions
[14:10] <micahg> I'll have this ready for the next meeting
[14:10] <micahg> #topic Expiring members terms
[14:11] <micahg> #topic DMB members terms expiring
[14:11] <micahg> that's a little less grim :-/
[14:11] <micahg> #info laney and geser's terms for the DMB are ending 2012-02-13
[14:11] <Laney> what is the if-extended expiration date? :-)
[14:11] <Laney> +1y?
[14:12] <micahg> yes
[14:12] <tumbleweed> err, surely we're electing for 2 years?
[14:13] <micahg> so, as the initial date was an error, we can ask the TB to extend the term 1yr as we did for the rest of the members from that election if desired
[14:13] <micahg> otherwise, as we're 1 month out, we'd need to call for nominations for 2 weeks and then have the election
[14:14] <Laney> geser's too?
[14:14] <micahg> Laney: yes, both of you
[14:14] <Laney> yeah they both were
[14:14] <Laney> well I'm happy to be extended, I've decided
[14:14] <micahg> geser: what about you?
[14:14] <Laney> my initial request not to be came around the 'difficult time' :P
[14:15] <geser> I won't extend, so my seat gets free
[14:15] <micahg> #action micahg to E-Mail TB to extend Laney's term 1yr (as the initial date was an error)
[14:15] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to E-Mail TB to extend Laney's term 1yr (as the initial date was an error)
[14:16] <micahg> Laney: would you be up for running this election?
[14:16] <Laney> I did the last one ...
[14:16] <geser> I've been on MC and DMB for almost 4 years, so I need to take a break (besides I'm missing time to do it properly)
[14:16] <micahg> ok, then, any volunteers?
[14:17]  * tumbleweed supposes he can
[14:17] <Laney> good man
[14:17] <tumbleweed> still have scripts?
[14:17] <micahg> #action tumbleweed to run the election to fill geser's seat
[14:17] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to run the election to fill geser's seat
[14:17] <Laney> scripts for what?
[14:17] <tumbleweed> the vote e-mail address collection
[14:18] <micahg> #action tumbleweed to send mail requesting nominations for the open DMB seat
[14:18] <meetingology> ACTION: tumbleweed to send mail requesting nominations for the open DMB seat
[14:18] <geser> the only needed script is to collect the e-mail addresses from LP for CIVS
[14:18] <tumbleweed> yes
[14:18] <micahg> yes, but that's part 2, first comes the call for nominees
[14:18] <tumbleweed> of course
[14:19] <micahg> #topic AOB
[14:19] <micahg> anyone?
[14:19] <Laney> nah, just iterated through launchpad.people['ubuntu-dev'].participants
[14:20] <tumbleweed> Laney: ok
[14:20] <micahg> going once
[14:20] <geser> Laney: this works recursively for sub-teams?
[14:20] <micahg> twice
[14:20] <micahg> #topic select chair for next meeting
[14:20] <Laney> yes
[14:21] <micahg> stgraber: looks like you're next
[14:21] <micahg> does that work?
[14:21] <stgraber> yep
[14:21] <tumbleweed> did geser do one this cycle?
[14:21] <micahg> #info stgraber to chair next meeting
[14:21] <micahg> tumbleweed: yes, first one in Dec IIRC
[14:22] <micahg> of course if he'd wish to do another one...
[14:22] <tumbleweed> heh
[14:22] <micahg> ok, thanks everyone
[14:23] <micahg> #endmeeting
[14:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 14:23:09 2012 UTC.
[14:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-16-14.07.moin.txt
[14:23] <tumbleweed> well, I suppose I'll call for nominations for one seat (assuming the tb extend laney's seat, otherwise, he can nominate himself)
[14:23] <Laney> maybe stgraber can just extend the membership
[14:23] <micahg> yes, that would work :)
[14:23] <micahg> stgraber: can you do that or should I make an official request?
[14:23] <tumbleweed> not that this helps our harmonisation
[14:23] <micahg> or both
[14:24] <tumbleweed> but people will always retire at unusal times...
[14:24] <stgraber> micahg: I think it'd be best to have an official request to the TB. I'm happy to do it then though :)
[14:24] <micahg> stgraber: alright, thanks
[14:24] <Laney> I'll be the same as cody, emmet and stéphane then
[14:24] <micahg> and I concur
[14:24] <Laney> very harmonious
[14:24] <micahg> yes, we can still end up with one election per year which works out fine
[14:25] <tumbleweed> true
[14:25] <micahg> ok, I have to run, I'll send out the meeting notes tonight
[14:26] <Laney> perhaps, when you remove Sylvester, you could email him asking to resubmit the application at any time (with more positive endorsements)
[14:26] <Laney> Sylvestre
[14:27] <micahg> ok, can do
[14:29] <Laney> grand
[14:37]  * tumbleweed cribs from Laney's last call for nominations mail
[14:37] <Laney> smashing idea
[14:38]  * tumbleweed also asks for people to amke their addresses publiclly visible
[15:12] <geser> micahg: having one election every year (and (re-)electing half the team) guarantees at least some expierenced members in the team (instead of a completely new team in worst case)
[15:59] <ara> hello!
[16:00] <roadmr> howdy!
[16:00] <roadmr> so it's... 16:00 UTC!
[16:00] <roadmr> that means it's Ubuntu Friendly time!
[16:00] <jedimike> heyhey!
[16:01] <roadmr> jedimike: glad you're here, today's topic will require your input :)
[16:01] <roadmr> #startmeeting Ubuntu Friendly meeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 16 16:01:14 2012 UTC.  The chair is roadmr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:01] <roadmr> Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting!
[16:01] <roadmr> Today we have the following topics to talk about:
[16:01] <roadmr> * Link to feedback in answers.launchpad.net from a system's UF page - roadmr
[16:01] <roadmr> * Any Other Business
[16:02] <roadmr> As usual, you're quite welcome to participate, to do so, indicate you want to speak by raising your hand (o/). Don't forget to also signal when you're done using ..
[16:02] <roadmr> Let's get started with the agenda!
[16:02] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Link to feedback in answers.launchpad.net from a system's UF page - roadmr
[16:03] <roadmr> The other day a user in #ubuntu-testing was inquiring about his laptop. He had to do several tweaks to get it working, and then submitted results to Ubuntu Friendly.
[16:03] <roadmr> He asked me what would be a good place to document those tweaks. I pointed him to the "feedback" link in a system's page.
[16:03] <roadmr> He then asked me if that feedback (in answers.launchpad.net) is visible, or at least accessible in a system's UF page.
[16:03] <roadmr> The answer seems to be "no", which was disappointing to him because then all his effort testing and documenting his tweaks will be much less "discoverable" and doesn't benefit the community all that much.
[16:04] <roadmr> So the question here is, would establishing such a link, or ideally making the answers.launchpad.net feedback visible directly in a system's UF page, be worth the effort? and on that topic, what would be the effort involved?
[16:04] <roadmr> ..
[16:04] <ara> o/
[16:04] <roadmr> ara, your turn (heh)
[16:04] <ara> The first thing that we would need to solve, is a way to "link" a particular answer with a cid
[16:04] <ara> does answers have tags?
[16:05] <ara> ..
[16:05] <ara> o/
[16:05] <roadmr> ara: heheh, go :) (btw I see no tags in answers.launchpad.net)
[16:05] <ara> or maybe create a related FAQ per system, but that seems a lot of work
[16:06] <ara> ..
[16:06] <jedimike> o/
[16:06] <roadmr> jedimike: go ahead!
[16:07] <jedimike> it's really difficult to get back any answers posts for an ubuntu friendly system, because the only info we pass to answers is the make/model of the system to pre-populate the title field
[16:07] <jedimike> the end user can change this in any way they like
[16:07] <jedimike> Launchpad is down at the moment so I can't see if there is a tagging system, I've not seen one before though
[16:07] <jedimike> even with tagging, we'd have to let UF know which tags were relevant for each system
[16:07] <jedimike> the other way to do it might be...
[16:07] <cr3> o/
[16:08] <jedimike> if we see a good answers post, we could manually link it to the UF system on the UF side
[16:08] <jedimike> ...
[16:08] <roadmr> cr3, your turn
[16:09] <cr3> two potential solutions to linking answers:
[16:09] <cr3> 1. pseudo tag in one of the answers, like: #UF: make/model
[16:09] <cr3> 2. link to bug which has a tag
[16:09] <cr3> ..
[16:10] <cr3> o/
[16:10] <roadmr> cr3: go, hehe
[16:11] <cr3> I'd be more inclined to have the linking user interaction on the launchpad side than on the UF side so that the latter can remain without user interaction
[16:11] <cr3> ..
[16:11] <jedimike> o/
[16:11] <roadmr> hmm the tag-answer sounds interesting
[16:11] <roadmr> jedimike, go ahead
[16:12] <jedimike> i agree with cr3, if we can do the linking on the launchpad side, we should
[16:12] <jedimike> ...
[16:12] <brendand> o/
[16:12] <roadmr> brendand: go ahead :)
[16:13] <brendand> the answers are created from UF itself? if so, can UF be fed back the id of the answer?
[16:13] <brendand> ..
[16:14] <cr3> o/
[16:14] <roadmr> cr3, go
[16:14] <cr3> it could be possible to have the question created from UF phrased in such a way that it could be folded back into UF
[16:15] <cr3> ..
[16:15] <roadmr> ^^ this may work but what if the user changes the phrasing?
[16:15] <roadmr> is there any API access to answers.launchpad.net?
[16:17] <jedimike> o/
[16:17] <roadmr> jedimike: go ahead!
[16:17] <cr3> roadmr: I don't think we can get the identifier of the answer back from redirecting to a launchpad answer, unless we have a question form on UF itself which creates the entry on behalf of the user. this becomes complicated if we want to have the answer linked to the launchpad user
[16:17] <jedimike> if we rely on the phrasing of the question, and the user changes it, we'd lose the link
[16:17] <jedimike> ..
[16:18] <cr3> perhaps worth raising on launchpad-dev mailing list
[16:18] <roadmr> maybe so!
[16:18] <roadmr> it seems complicated!
[16:20]  * roadmr thinks everybody is thinking :)
[16:20] <roadmr> how about using something other than answers.launchpad.net for the feedback?
[16:20] <cr3> roadmr: probably complicated enough not to be solved here :)
[16:21] <cr3> roadmr: could someone take an action item to raise with launchpad-dev?
[16:22]  * cr3 should be slapped around for talking without raising hand
[16:22] <roadmr> cr3: that'd be great! I think either you or jedimike know those folks best, would you like to volunteer?
[16:22] <cr3> roadmr: sure, cc jedimike
[16:23] <roadmr> [ACTION] cr3 to inquire in lauchpad-dev about API access to answers.launchpad.net
[16:23] <meetingology> ACTION: cr3 to inquire in lauchpad-dev about API access to answers.launchpad.net
[16:24] <roadmr> anything else we can do on this topic?
[16:24]  * jedimike doesn't think so
[16:25] <roadmr> hmm OK, let's see what launchpad-dev thinks and go from there.
[16:25] <roadmr> To be fair, we've only received one request for this functionality, so we may defer work on it until there's a big demand for it
[16:26] <roadmr> but it sounds sensible to at least have an idea on how to proceed - and also, it seems like such an obvious feature we should have
[16:26] <roadmr> anyway, moving on
[16:26] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[16:26] <ara> o/
[16:26] <roadmr> ara: go ahead!
[16:27] <ara> Canonical's community team has a new member, responsible for the QA community
[16:27] <ara> I guess we should reach him to count on friendly
[16:27] <ara> (and maybe take care of the community part of it...)
[16:27] <ara> Nicholas I think is his name
[16:27] <ara> ..
[16:27] <ara> dholbach, ^
[16:28] <roadmr> ara: so should one of us contact him and let him know about UF?
[16:28] <ara> I think so, what do you guys think?
[16:29]  * roadmr thinks it's OK if it extends our reach into the community
[16:29] <roadmr> Ubuntu Friendly has been a bit quiet lately
[16:30] <dholbach> ara: it's Nicholas Skaggs, balloons is his nick name
[16:30] <ara> cool, I can take the action item
[16:30] <roadmr> [ACTION] Ara to contact Nicholas Skaggs (balloons) to introduce the Ubuntu Friendly community
[16:30] <meetingology> ACTION: Ara to contact Nicholas Skaggs (balloons) to introduce the Ubuntu Friendly community
[16:31] <roadmr> awesome!
[16:31] <roadmr> Anything else on this topic?
[16:32] <roadmr> nothing.. Any other topics/ business to discuss?
[16:32] <roadmr> any takers? :)
[16:33] <roadmr> Well then...
[16:34] <roadmr> let's end this meeting!
[16:34] <roadmr> Well I guess this wraps things up for today. Thanks for attending! Remember the mailing list is open to all your UF-related comments and inquiries.
[16:34] <ara> thanks roadmr!
[16:34] <roadmr> Thanks all for attending and for your comments and feedback! Have a great day!
[16:34] <roadmr> #endmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jan 16 16:34:32 2012 UTC.
[16:34] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-16-16.01.moin.txt


[21:16] <bekks> grendal_prime: Could you please do the following and pastebin both the commands and their output?: sudo service ntp stop; date; sudo ntpdate pool-ntp.org; date; sudo service ntp start; sleep 10; date
[21:16] <cameron_> dr_willis: i went here, http://www.ws4gl.org/download/installing-on-ubuntu , and downloaded the .deb file
[21:17] <bekks> grendal_prime: type: it is pool.ntp.org
[21:17] <cameron_> dr_willis: all it does is hang at the screen and keeps loading
[21:17] <grendal_prime> sure will do
[21:17] <dr_willis> cameron_:  all what does?
[21:17]  * Evil_Eric screams and throws his laptop out a window
[21:17] <cameron_> dr_willis: the program
[21:17] <dr_willis> http://www.ws4gl.org/download/installing-on-ubuntu  gives some addational directions. no idea how valid it is. the app is over a year old.
[21:18] <xsl> hello all, i am trying to increase "nofile" using /etc/security/limits.conf but wen i do ulimit -n it is still 1024
[21:18] <iceroot> ElixirVitae:  -- Ken VanDine<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:04:42 -0500
[21:18] <iceroot> ElixirVitae: i dont see the problem, as i said, its always the same syntax, always the last line under the changed
[21:18] <cameron_> dr_willis: yeah thats what i use, but it seems to not be working
[21:18] <bekks> xsl: Did you log out completely and back in?
[21:19] <cameron_> dr_willis: should i upload a screenshot and post here to show you what it does?
[21:19] <ElixirVitae> iceroot, that was way in the bottom of the changelog, I thought it should be near the top.
[21:19] <ElixirVitae> Many thanks~
[21:19] <xsl> it was a user that was not logged in yet ( www-data )
[21:19] <ElixirVitae> Found it as well.
[21:19] <dr_willis> cameron_:  you did careate a video group like the docs say?
[21:19] <iceroot> ElixirVitae: its always the last line for a changelisting
[21:19] <iceroot> ElixirVitae: syntax is version \n changelisting \n autor + date
[21:19] <xsl> bekks, i want to increase the number of nofiles that nginx  can open ( the user is www-data )
[21:19] <cameron_> dr_willis: it says not needed with 10.04, and since i use 12.04 i didn't think i needed to
[21:19] <ElixirVitae> I see.
[21:20] <ElixirVitae> And while I am at it, why is there so many PPAs for Chromium?
[21:20] <dr_willis> cameron_:  could add one anyway and see.. but I dontknow the gui way to do it in 12.10
[21:21] <cameron_> we'll ill try adding one and see if that works
[21:21] <cameron_> gimme a few.
[21:22] <dr_willis> cameron_:  some info at   http://ubuntuportal.com/2012/04/webcamstudio-virtual-webcam-apps-with-cool-effect.html  in the comments
[21:23] <bekks> xsl: And did you stop nginx completely before doing that change and restarted it afterwards?
[21:23] <cameron_> dr_willis: alright thanks i'll take a look
[21:23] <xsl> bekks, after i did the change i used su - www-data and checked ulimit -Hn and ulimit -Sn and nothing changed
[21:23] <xsl> let me see if nginx is stoped
[21:24] <loganrun> I am trying to send an e-mail from the command line, but no luck. here is what I am doing:::echo "<b>the test</b>" | mail -s "$(echo -e "This is the subject\nContent-Type: text/html")"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:24] <loganrun> does anyone know if there is a way to do this?
[21:24] <qxt> Normally I just use emacs when coding. Need to do some OpenBSD coding on my nix machine. Can propolice be integrated into emacs. Thinking about canaries like random, xor and terminator. Also need to look at stack-smashing protection.
[21:24] <qxt> This form *nix
[21:24] <dr_willis> be nice to see webcamstudio get officially in the repos., :) its a very nifty app.
[21:24] <grendal_prime> bekks
[21:25] <grendal_prime> bekks,  http://pastebin.com/gJERxquZ
[21:25] <JC__> anyone here well versed in arch?
[21:25] <Pici> JC__: in #ubuntu?
[21:25] <Pici> JC__: try #archlinux
[21:25] <qxt> JC__ why.  Just don't like the blobs in the kernel.
[21:27] <bekks> grendal_prime: Is it a vbox vm?
[21:27] <grendal_prime> kvm
[21:28] <grendal_prime> should that matter if it is reaching a machine on the outside.  it can ping them
[21:28] <bekks> grendal_prime: Then you are experiencing the fact that the time source is dynamic from inside the vm. Using vbox e.g., you could use the host as time source (vbox has an option to automagically sync the time from the host). Using KVM, I'm sorry for being out of clues.
[21:28] <grendal_prime> hmm ntptrace is not not resolving
[21:28] <kristenbb> hello, I'm trying to use usb on virtualbox. I added myself to the vboxusers group ( sudo usermod -a -G vboxusers kristenbb) and restarted the host && virtual machine, but it's still not working, what  else do I need to do ?
[21:28] <grendal_prime> sorry for the double neg
[21:28] <cameron_> dr_willis: yeah its doin the same thing
[21:29] <bekks> grendal_prime: Because KVM does not provide that capability while vbox does.
[21:30] <haylo> grendal_prime: maybe qemu would work better for your needs- it seems to be the VM that most debian devs use
[21:30] <guntbert> kristenbb: you'll find virtualbox support in #vbox
[21:31] <xsl> bekks, i even reloaded sysctl
[21:31] <xsl> its odd
[21:31] <bekks> haylo: And it is much slower than vbox e.q. - in my experience.
[21:31] <Sach> I'm using Gnome classic in Ubuntu 12.04. I used to be able to mouseover on the weather applet to get details when I used 10.04, but now need to left click to see these details. How do I fix this?
[21:32] <dr_willis> there was no need to paste me a bunch of error messages... i dont code in java.
[21:32] <bekks> kristenbb: Did you install the extension pack on the host?
[21:32] <k1l> Sach: iirc, there is no fix. gnome-classic is a cheap 2d fallback modus and not a whole gnome2 enviroment
[21:32] <cameron_> dr_willis: sorry, i figured u might be able to see something that i have no idea what it means =/
[21:33] <dr_willis> cameron_:  the program hasent been updated in ages.. so no idea.
[21:33] <Sach> k1l: so is this to suggest that gnome classic wasnt a fallback modus for 10.04?
[21:33] <Akiva-Mobile>  Amazon results almost seem as an anti feature right now. Besides that, what am I missing in 12.10?
[21:33] <cameron_> alright, well thanks for tryin
[21:34] <dr_willis> im still getting notifications of your error messages flood. ;P
[21:34] <k1l> Sach: no, its a fallback modus for gnome3 (gnome-shell) and is now removed for 13.04 because they use llvmpipe
[21:34] <Sach> k1l: thanks! I hate change   :-p
[21:34] <MonkeyDust> k1l  what's removed?
[21:34] <loganrun> how can I send an email from the command line to my gmail account?
[21:34] <cameron_> dr_willis: haha, my bad :p
[21:34] <amer> hi
[21:34] <iceroot> k1l: gnome-shell is the real gnome3
[21:35] <iceroot> loganrun: i would suggest to use mutt if you want a real mailclient
[21:35] <k1l> MonkeyDust: i thought the gnome-classic gets removed because gnome uses llvmpipie as fallback now and doesnt support gnome-classic anymore
[21:35] <dr_willis> the gnome-classic stuff is to get phased out of gnome  in the near future also. ;)
[21:35] <paris> Hi folks. I  have problem with gmail phone. Speaker and microphone Linux is able to recognize, but when I try to call, it seems everything is dead. I have installed google talk-plugin and nothing change at all. What kind of procedure I should undertake for that to fix it?
[21:35] <roothorick> loganrun: it's not so simple. You have to set up an MTA and try to get Google's servers to take you seriously. Uh, good luck!
[21:36] <k1l> iceroot: i know, but most users speak of gnome3 (when meaning gnome-shell). thats why i also use this terms to not confuse them
[21:36] <haylo> bekks: yeah it does seem awfully slow. I do like it that i can script it into my building process though, to automatically validate a system, or discard it
[21:36] <Sach> iceroot, so you do agree with k1l's response to me?
[21:37] <Sach> iceroot: so you do agree with k1l's response to me?
[21:37] <loganrun> roothorick, oh, they'll take me seriously or I'll kick their.... how do I set up MTA, I don't need anything complex
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> k1l  dang, i use classic
[21:38] <roothorick> loganrun: there's guides online for setting up stuff like exim or postfix... tbh I never got around to it myself
[21:38] <john38> Can anybody tell me the search directory for movie player exe
[21:39] <john38> the path?
[21:39] <loganrun> roothorick, I used to use fedora, and I think it was set up by default, I assume it is a standard package that has what I need,
[21:39] <iceroot> Sach: which exactly?
[21:39] <bekks> john38: There is no "movie player exe" on Ubuntu. All you have are zillions of different movie player, like vlc.
[21:39] <guntbert> loganrun: won't happen, nowadays mail servers expect mail only from the big registered mail servers (and from their own clients/customers of course)
[21:40] <Sach> iceroot: that I cannot fix my issue of not being able to mouseover my weather applet in Gnome classic in Ubuntu 12.04, as I did in 10.04
[21:40] <john38> bekks, what i mean is what is the path for movie player
[21:40] <iceroot> Sach: sorry i dont know i am not using gnome classic so i dont know
[21:40] <boohoohelp> hi
[21:41] <dreambox> when is Unity expected to be stable?
[21:41] <john38> bekks, standard that ships with ubunut?
[21:41] <TheLordOfTime> it is stable...?
[21:41] <bekks> john38: That strongly depends on the movie player installed.
[21:41] <loganrun> guntbert, not sure that is the case with gmail, worst case, it should end up in spam
[21:41] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime,  haha !!! good one :)
[21:41] <TheLordOfTime> dreambox, its pretty stable (12.04), 12.10's a different issue.
[21:41] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime, nop its not (12.04)
[21:41] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime, one crash per day = not stable
[21:41] <TheLordOfTime> dreambox, you're one of the few whining then, its worked for me and twenty other clients of mine
[21:41] <john38> bekks, totem?
[21:42] <loganrun> guntbert, besides superspamserver has no problem sending me email
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> dreambox, if its crashing, is it asking to file crash bugs (you should do that if it asks)
[21:42] <gordonjcp> dreambox: unity is pretty stable, and 12.10 is a big improvement on 12.04
[21:42] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime, ibus crashed today.. yesterday chrome...
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> or error reports
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> dreambox, neither of which are unity
[21:42] <john38> bekks, what is the path for totem?
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> dreambox, chromium's not Unity.  ibus isnt directly Unity either.
[21:42] <TheLordOfTime> s/chromium/chrome/
[21:42] <guntbert> loganrun: you misunderstood: most MTAs only accept mail from servers that are registered by ISPs, they will not accept it from a "home" machine
[21:43] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime, ok then, my Unity shortcuts are lost between sessions...
[21:43] <TheLordOfTime> so you're complaining about those softwares, not Unity.
[21:43] <loganrun> guntbert, is there a public mail server or something I can use, I don't want to use gmail server since you have to supply a password and I don't want that in a file
[21:43] <k1l> Sach: you cant compare 10.04 and 12.04. the 10.04 is using gnome2 and 12.04 is using a gnome3-fallback (which is not gnome2 even if it looks similar)
[21:43] <paris> gamil phone is not working, why?
[21:43] <gordonjcp> loganrun: whatever you do, you'll have to supply the mail provider with a password
[21:43] <loganrun> guntbert, as of a few months ago that was not the case with gmail, but things could have changed
[21:43] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime, on a 2-screen setup , you cant maximize windows to the 2nd monitor...
[21:43] <guntbert> loganrun: no, that would be an "open mail relay" - deeply frowned upon
[21:44] <TheLordOfTime> dreambox, okay, now you're whining, and i'm not going to respond to whining.
[21:44]  * TheLordOfTime returns to fixing his computer's partitions
[21:44] <dreambox> TheLordOfTime, I'm just demanding, I'm a power user, I want stability.. I dont have time to experiment.. :/
[21:44] <k1l> dreambox: report the bugs on launchpad
[21:44] <boohoohelp> hi
[21:44] <TheLordOfTime> what k1l said
[21:45] <dreambox> k1l, Will do
[21:45] <k1l> dreambox: everything else is not constuctive but just whining
[21:45] <gordonjcp> dreambox: for me, Unity has been 100% stable for over six months
[21:45] <TheLordOfTime> again, what k1l said :P  (you're whining, which doesn't help squat)
[21:45] <gordonjcp> dreambox: what have you had problems with?
[21:45] <dreambox> TBH I dont like the UI .. I dont think its efficient..
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> then find a different UI
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> again, you're complaining.
[21:46] <k1l> if you report the bugs with the needed infos the developers can take a look at the issues. but there are that much different setups that cant be all tested.
[21:46] <dreambox> being a UX designer I think I know my shit :)
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> !language | dreambox
[21:46] <john38> Does anybody know the run path for Totem Movie Player
[21:46] <TheLordOfTime> john38, isnt it just running 'totem'?
[21:46] <dreambox> no worries I'm aleady installing Lubuntu :-)
[21:46] <gordonjcp> dreambox: hahahaha, lubuntu
[21:46] <gordonjcp> dreambox: hope you like reporting crash bugs
[21:47] <guntbert> dreambox: please keep in mind that you won't reach the people who make design decisions in this channel
[21:47] <john38> TheLordOfTime, i know but i need to know where its found usr/bin usr/sbin,.....urs/share..????
[21:47] <dreambox> gordonjcp, from what I read it's lot more mature than Unity...
[21:47] <dreambox> guntbert, I wonder where I'd reach them...
[21:47] <Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz> #help
[21:47] <guntbert> dreambox: not here, and now please drop that topic, this channel is for support
[21:48] <k1l> dreambox: they wont listen to "omg i hate the ui, its no efficient" anyway. so dont think of bother them"
[21:49] <blz> Hello,  How would i use the rename command to prepend a string of text to all mkv files in a directory?
[21:50] <blz> I know next to nothing about perl expressions =(
[21:50] <MonkeyDust> blz  better ask in #bash, i guess
[21:50] <blz> MonkeyDust, I thought about it, but I believe rename is Debian-specific
[21:50] <blz> but maybe I'll try my luck =)
[21:50] <k1l> john38: /usr/bin/totem? or what do you want?
[21:52] <john38> kll
[21:52] <john38> k1l, thanks
[21:52] <dreambox> k1l, I've already pointed out my concerns in stack exchange, with reasoning, arguments and all.. (hell I could even make a mockup for'em)
[21:52] <dreambox> anyways !
[21:53] <k1l> dreambox: i think they are open for constructive critism. but that is not what you said in the channel here. so lets focus on the support topics :)
[21:54] <nedwed> hey everybody, pls help Im looking for file integrity software and I found tripwire aide afick and samhain, tripwire will be the best ?
[21:57] <iceroot> nedwed: the best is always "what YOU like most"
[21:57] <Sach> k1l: thanks for the clarification.  so is it possible to use gnome2 environment in 12.04?
[21:57] <iceroot> nedwed: so we cant answer that
[21:58] <Princeee> Hello
[21:59] <Princeee> Lots users
[21:59] <c0dr> ALLCHAN
[21:59] <Princeee> Is there any mods in here
[21:59] <bazhang> yes
[22:00] <k1l> Sach: no. because it has broken depencies to the gnome3 enviroment that is in the ubuntu repos from 11.10 on
[22:00] <dr_willis> Sach:  not really that i know of. theres some ubuntu derritives that may have it.
[22:00] <qxt> Is a stack-smashing protector SSP enabled in Ubuntu. Was implemented as a patch to GCC a while back. If nto I am hopping I can add it with -fstack-protector-all. What woujld be a good size threshold for SSP if I tune it with --param ssp-buffer-size=
[22:00] <Sach> dr_willis: suggestions?
[22:00] <k1l> Sach: if you want the gnome2 look back, try xfce or lxde
[22:01] <dr_willis> Sach:  i dident even see your original problem
[22:01] <dr_willis> if i want an old skool look. i use lxde
[22:03] <c0dr> REGISTER pycode
[22:03] <guntbert> c0dr: wrong window?
[22:03] <c0dr> oh yes ... was hoping noone saw
[22:04] <Princeee> anyone who will have a few minutes help me get started?
[22:04] <dr_willis> ;) the status/server window is the better place to do that.. in case you make a mistake
[22:04] <Princeee> someone i can bug by asking some noob questions
[22:04] <dr_willis> Princeee:  state the problem. see who can answer
[22:04] <qxt> Princeee ... umm what do you mean "get you started?
[22:04] <dr_willis> !manual | Princeee
[22:04] <Princeee> im just starting installing ubuntu
[22:05] <Princeee> thanks
[22:05] <Princeee> !manual
[22:05] <qxt> Princeee what do you need help with.
[22:05] <Princeee> nothing yet i am using the windows installer now
[22:05] <Princeee> i may be fine but who knows if i run into snags
[22:06] <guntbert> c0dr: this channel is publically logged :-)
[22:06] <toddnjamie> I'm struggling installing a different printer. I had a canon pixma mg2120 and I could not for the life of me get it installed, so I replaced it with an HP deskjet 3512, the instructions were super simple and easy, but it wouldn't work. So I'm going to try it manually. What am I doing wrong? Any suggestions?
[22:06] <Princeee> i downloading the windows installer now, couple minutes left then i try get it going
[22:07] <TheLordOfTime> unity-2d was dropped, right?
[22:08] <dr_willis> Unity-2d is no longer in 12.10   correct..
[22:09] <k1l> TheLordOfTime: they use llvmpipe like gnome-shell (gnome3) for 2d-fallback
[22:09] <TheLordOfTime> dr_willis, thanks.
[22:09] <dr_willis> toddnjamie:  i tend to use the cups web interface to manage pronters.
[22:09] <TheLordOfTime> k1l, i know that, i wasnt sure if they had actually dropped that package though
[22:09] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[22:09] <dr_willis> toddnjamie:  http://lcoalhost:631
[22:09] <dr_willis> toddnjamie:  http://localhost:631
[22:09] <OryHara> hi guys, I've got raspberry pi running on ubuntu through qemi and vnc, but I can't get my pi to connect to the internet and thus -- no apt-get, how can I get it connected to the internet?
[22:11] <andre_pl> im running 12.10 server and i dont have add-apt-repository or apt-add-repository even after installing python-software-properties
[22:11] <andre_pl> where did it go
[22:11] <toddnjamie> Thank you. Can anyone tell me how do I know whether I'm running 32 bit, or 64 bit? I'm not computer savvy....
[22:12] <dr_willis> toddnjamie:  lsb_release -a
[22:12] <dr_willis> !version
[22:13] <iceroot> toddnjamie: you want to know what you are using at the moment? or when you should use 64bit and when 32bit?
[22:13] <guntbert> toddnjamie: and   uname -a will help you distinguish between 64 and 32 bit
[22:13] <corvaxia> Am I imagining things or were there special Ubuntu ISOs built for mac hardware?
[22:13] <iceroot> corvaxia: there are special ubuntu versions for the ppc version of the apple jails
[22:13] <Princeee> !manual
[22:13] <clahey> Hey there.  I'm having trouble with my installation of 12.04.  When I try to log in, I don't get any unity menus or anything else.
[22:13] <iceroot> corvaxia: the new apple jails are using x86/amd64 so you can use the normal isos
[22:14] <zen933k> corvaxia: PPC yes. Apple Hardware is just PC hardware but over-priced.
[22:14] <iceroot> !mac | corvaxia
[22:14] <clahey> I suspect it's something in the home directory, but I don't know the unity code at all, so I'm not sure where to start looking?
[22:14] <iceroot> zen933k: overpriced + a jail
[22:14] <dr_willis> Hmm.. i dident think the PPC version was offically supported any more..
[22:14] <zen933k> iceroot: Sent from my MBP ;)
[22:14] <Nexuus> uname -a in a command shell should show something like: Linux <hostname> 3.5.0-18-generic #29-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 19 10:26:51 UTC 2012 x86_64
[22:14] <corvaxia> True but I swear they had iso's that already included the Broadcom drivers so you didn't have to connect to ethernet.
[22:14] <dr_willis> Thought those disks were for the newer macs with  some bootloader differances
[22:15] <iceroot> zen933k: i am sorry to hear that
[22:15] <Nexuus> the x86_64 means you're running 64 bit.
[22:16] <w0rm-_x> 4
[22:16] <zen933k> iceroot: Don't be, in 2010 the MBP had the best battery life. Asus had the cloest specs but the same price...
[22:17] <toddnjamie> dr_willis, if I was supposed to find a driver on there, my printer is not listed. But I see through searches that other people have used my specific printer with my specific ubuntu, yet, their processes aren't working for me.
[22:17] <patr|ck> hello
[22:17] <toddnjamie> I'm not a good problem solver apparently lol
[22:17] <patr|ck> how can i convince grub from either 12.04 and 13.04 to detect the fedora 17 install?
[22:17] <boohoohelp> can someone assist with ecrypts ?
[22:17] <boohoohelp> I have a file path and password
[22:17] <escott> patr|ck, is it not seen by os-prober
[22:17] <dr_willis> toddnjamie:  check askubuntu.com perhaps - they tend to have some decent guides. could be you need the hplip package for hp printers.
[22:18] <boohoohelp> how do I uncrypt the private directory ?
[22:18] <patr|ck> escott, yeah
[22:18] <zen933k> patr|ick: Are you a Wizard? 13.04?
[22:18] <dr_willis> patr|ck:  if you knew what info to put in /etc/grub.d/40_custom you could make your own custom entry for it.
[22:18] <toddnjamie> I have already tried all that. I downloaded hplip.3.12.10a and tried automatic installation and a manual type installation, neither of which are working.
[22:18] <maujhsn> I am using ubuntu 11.10 liveCD for this session! The newness of this experience is nerve racking to say the least. I have a10.04.3 liveusb that needs a patch that will allow me to have internet connectivity. I'd like to download the patch with 11.10 liveCD. Please help.
[22:18] <patr|ck> i am tresting something on 13.04
[22:18] <escott> patr|ck, perhaps you dont have lvm installed. maybe install lvm and load it
[22:18] <X-warrior> So I was thinking to save some space on my backup hard disk, I think to create a script which will look all files looking for the same hash and use hard links to leave just one copy of them. But then I think probably there is some file system that works on this way on os level. Does anybody know the name?
[22:19] <toddnjamie> So far I've not been able to find anything on askubuntu to help me out.
[22:19] <guntbert> !#ubuntu+1 | patr|ck
[22:19] <kristenbb> how to delete a program and its home folder too?
[22:19] <patr|ck> i am not asking for support for 13.04
[22:19] <patr|ck> stop this nonesense
[22:20] <escott> kristenbb, apt-get purge package-name
[22:20] <patr|ck> escott, fedora is not installed into LVM containers
[22:20] <kristenbb> escott: I thought this wouldn't delete the home folder nor the global settings?
[22:21] <patr|ck> could it be that each distribution has an own format for EXT4?
[22:21] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: still no luck, huh? what was the result of the last run of install.sh
[22:21] <bekks> No.
[22:21] <bekks> patr|ck: No.
[22:21] <patr|ck> hm
[22:21] <kristenbb> escott: I thought this wouldn't delete the home folder but just* the global settings?
[22:21] <craigbass1976> I can't send mail through my server (postfix) and can't see any errors.  Where does a postfix on Lucid stick error messages?
[22:21] <guntbert> kristenbb: you mixed up "its (home) folder" and "config in my home folder"
[22:21] <ikonia> craigbass1976: mail log, syslog
[22:21] <escott> kristenbb, what do you mean home folder? the ~/.appname you have to remove that manually
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> patr|ck: no way, distros stick to the defs of the file systems standards. Its one of the great tings in Linux
[22:21] <Gnea> craigbass1976: tried looking in /var/log/ ?
[22:22] <toddnjamie> What do you mean?
[22:22] <patr|ck> i wonder why ubuntu cant detect fedora then
[22:22] <patr|ck> maybe it does not want to!
[22:22] <ikonia> why are you asking in here ? #ubuntu+1 is for 13.04's pre-alpha discussion
[22:22] <kristenbb> escott: is there no command to remove that folder along with the package ?
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> patr|ck: have you tried manually mounting?
[22:23] <ActionParsnip> patr|ck: have you ran:  sudo fdisk -l    to list the partitions
[22:23] <patr|ck> read my comment close if you can: that problem is on 12.04 and 13.04 i said
[22:23] <craigbass1976> Gnea, ikonia I've been through most of /var/log (all of the mail* files) and don't see anything.  I looked in dovecot too, but didn't think that was the culprit anyway.
[22:23] <escott> kristenbb, no
[22:23] <toddnjamie> rednecktek, I replaced the canon with an hp deskjet 3512, research said hp had more drivers for ubuntu...
[22:23] <guntbert> kristenbb: no, remember linux is a multi user system
[22:23] <toddnjamie> rednecktek, so I gave up on the canon, went and bought an hp...now I can't install it, either!!
[22:23] <ikonia> craigbass1976: dovecot is nothing to do with sending mail
[22:23] <patr|ck> ActionParsnip, yes sir
[22:23] <craigbass1976> ikonia, I thought not.
[22:24] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: looking it up.
[22:24] <toddnjamie> Thank you.
[22:24] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: should be an automatic install
[22:24] <kristenbb> escott: and how does purge work exactly ? is it left to the developer to say where the config files of its program are ? or is there a way to make sure a program (and its components, config files, ...) is completely gone ?
[22:24] <VlanX> hello, how do i mount a smb remote folder on 12.04 ?
[22:25] <ActionParsnip> VlanX: do you have nautilus?
[22:25] <escott> kristenbb, no package is going to remove stuff from $HOME ever.
[22:25] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: what is the output from: lpstat -p -d
[22:25] <zen933k> patr|ck: The only suggestion I have is to look through http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1985184 and see if some answers are there.
[22:25] <kristenbb> escott: yes I understood that. I was now talking about the general config files, those in /etc for example
[22:25] <patr|ck> zen933k, thanks
[22:26] <VlanX> ActionParsnip: yes, but maybe also CLI is good?
[22:26] <toddnjamie> would you like to me to paste to http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> patr|ck: does manual mounting work?
[22:26] <patr|ck> ActionParsnip, yes
[22:26] <X-warrior> So I was thinking to save some space on my backup hard disk, I think to create a script which will look all files looking for the same hash and use hard links to leave just one copy of them. But then I think probably there is some file system that works on this way on os level. Does anybody know the name?
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> patr|ck: so it can recognise fedora....
[22:26] <escott> kristenbb, i dont know all the details of debs. every file the application creates should appear in the debs, and are flagged as config or non-config. purge removes config fiels
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> X-warrior: rsync can do that for you
[22:26] <toddnjamie> rednecktek, want me to paste it to the page you gave me before?
[22:27] <ikonia> are you actually using the grub ubuntu
[22:27] <escott> X-warrior, search for dedup and it should list other tools
[22:27] <ikonia> as in is the grub ubuntu the one that's actually on the mbr
[22:27] <ikonia> or is it the fedora one
[22:27] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: last line should be enough
[22:27] <ikonia> if so running any grub commands from ubuntu is a pointless task
[22:27] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: is a default printer listed?
[22:27] <kristenbb> escott: in other words, if I do 'purge' and delete the config folder in my home, am I sure that there's nothing else from that application on my computer?
[22:27] <grendal_prime> haylo, kvm uses qemu as its core
[22:27] <maujhsn> I am using ubuntu 11.10 liveCD for this session! I have a 10.04.3 liveusb that needs a patch that will allow me to have internet connectivity For a new ASUS notebook 10.04.3 liveusb doesn't give me wireless connectivity. I'd like to download the patch with 11.10 liveCD. Please help.
[22:27] <escott> kristenbb, ideally yes
[22:27] <grendal_prime> bekks, http://serverfault.com/questions/132197/best-practice-for-system-clock-sync-on-kvm-host
[22:28] <X-warrior> ActionParsnip, I think it could preserve my hard links, but if I don't have it yet. How is it possible? I didn't find this option on it
[22:28] <MuNk`> clear
[22:28] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: it says default destination: deskjet_3510_2...recall, I have a 3512. There's probably part of the problem I'm assuming?
[22:28] <MuNk`> arg >.<
[22:28] <bekks> grendal_prime: :)
[22:28] <grendal_prime> there is something for this. its actually very simple to set up...just not documented anywhere. seems to be doing the trick just fine.  no need to even install ntp from what i can tell
[22:28] <manveru> hi folks, anybody know when a fix for CVE-2012-5371 will hit the repos?
[22:29] <haylo> grendal_prime: which is why i said to not bother with it.
[22:29] <grendal_prime> so i have ntp working on the host, and then set the clock source on the guests to the kvm-clock..wham
[22:29] <digitalvaldosta> -------------------------Does anyone know of a tool to test the ISP connection speed over a period of time? I have a customer that I service that has ubuntu 12.04.1 that has intermittent speed issues and have had their ISP "test" the circuits remotely.
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> X-warrior: not sure there, is it listed in the man page?
[22:29] <ikonia> digitalvaldosta: no need for ---------------
[22:29] <KsM> digitalvaldosta: try mtr
[22:29] <X-warrior> escott, yes! I think that was the word I needed to keep looking, thanks! :D
[22:29] <KsM> erm, wait, thought you said connection, not speed
[22:29] <ActionParsnip> digitalvaldosta: could occasionally download a file from the site
[22:29] <grendal_prime> haylo, ?  quemu or kvm?
[22:29] <KsM> digitalvaldosta: nevermind
[22:29] <grendal_prime> have you used kvm?
[22:29] <SunTsu> digitalvaldosta: mtr or - if you need it in more detail smokeping
[22:29] <escott> X-warrior, rsync will do it with hardlinks with one of the options..
[22:29] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: nope that's probably fine. Cups usually just lists the base model (351X, dj9XX, etc). Have you tried printing?
[22:30] <ActionParsnip> digitalvaldosta: or have them download a file get the speed and then delete it. You can report on that :)
[22:30] <escott> X-warrior, --link-dest
[22:30] <digitalvaldosta> Ok, I will check into those.
[22:30] <toddnjamie> Yes...nothing happens.
[22:30] <toddnjamie> I'll try again.
[22:31] <capeeKo> Hello all, I'm looking for some help with a bootup problem in 12.04 LTS
[22:31] <digitalvaldosta> The main contact at this place, she wants a detailed report over a period of time.
[22:31] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: I tried to print a document. Window popped up: "system program problem detected"
[22:31] <brandon420> Do you know where i can get a laptop without a os on it? or linux os?
[22:32] <k1l> brandon420: try asking in ##hardware or the #ubuntu-offtopic channels
[22:33] <forgetful> Apparently Dell are selling Ubuntu loaded laptops brandon420
[22:33] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: lets try something simplier. try running: system-config-printer
[22:33] <digitalvaldosta> So something that will check the speed at scheduled intervals and possibly output to a file or graph would be nice.
[22:33] <toddnjamie> in the terminal?
[22:33] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: in the terminal?
[22:34] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: yes
[22:34] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: it popped up my printers-localhost window
[22:34] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: there's an exclamation point on my printer lol
[22:34] <Billinthebox> ok helllo all, is there a guru in residence i hope?
[22:35] <seednode> Billinthebox: A guru in regards to what?
[22:35] <xangua> !ask | Billinthebox
[22:35] <Billinthebox> :) ok i am on a live cd , right now because i cant logon to my regular desktop
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: what happens when you try?
[22:36] <Billinthebox> seednode:) ok i am on a live cd , right now because i cant logon to my regular desktop
[22:36] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip it just keeps recycling the logon screen
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: have your partiions got free space?
[22:37] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: arg. really glad I have an old printer. hang on. CUPS is not my strong suit. looking for info.
[22:37] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip yes its a brand new install
[22:38] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip i tried to logon to an alternate desktop and never could get back in
[22:38] <toddnjamie> ok. I'm sorry you're having to deal with all this. But you have no idea how much I appreciate all your help.
[22:38] <very> i found a style in xubuntu that is almost agreeable. but on some dialogs the text color is white which is unreadable on bright gray. http://i.imgur.com/y9kB7.png
[22:38] <trashi> hi, i installed a brand new ubuntu for a friend and didnt configure a password for his user account. is it possible to force him to set a new password if he boot the next time?
[22:39] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: reboot to the installed OS and on the login screen press CTRL+ALT+F1 and login there, can you get fully updated ok?
[22:39] <gordonjcp> trashi: sounds like you want the OEM install
[22:39] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: I'm so sorry you're having to deal with all this. But I appreciate how willing you are to help.
[22:39] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: no problem. just working on servers anyway.
[22:39] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip i can logon to the TTY with no problem
[22:40] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip that what you mean?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> toddnjamie: tried a different USB port?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: ok, can you get updated there?
[22:41] <capeeKo> I'm looking for help with a boot problem in 12.04 LTS.  It hangs at the Ubuntu screen w/ the 4 dots.  When hitting ESC to see the boot processes several things fail.  These include model connection manager, SMB/CIFC File Server, LightDM Display Manager, CPU interrupts balancing daemon, Winbind daemon & GNOME Displat Ma[OK] (blank line and at the end another [fail]).
[22:41] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: is there a "diagnose" button somewhere on the printer properties window?
[22:41] <ActionParsnip> capeeKo: what video chip do you use?
[22:41] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip i am using the laptop i am having the problem with, right now. had to throw in live CD
[22:42] <rednecktek> ActionParsnip: toddnjamie that's a good idea. Also removing/re-adding the printer seems to be a solution for some
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: fine, but in the TTY loginm can you get updated?
[22:42] <capeeKo> ActionParsnip:  let me double check
[22:42] <trashi> gordonjcp, well, i think oem is a little bit to fat for that .... isnt there an easy way to say "you need a new password... if u dont want to set a new one, shutdown your machine"? just for one time?
[22:42] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: no. there's not a diagose button.
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> toddnjamie: if you run:  lsusb   do you see the printer listed?
[22:42] <Billinthebox> actionparsnip i can try but i will have to dump thiis session to do it
[22:42] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: updates may help
[22:43] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: hewlett packard? yes
[22:43] <Billinthebox> ActionParsnip system should be up to date
[22:43] <very> the albatross style in xubuntu seems to be unusable. http://i.imgur.com/y9kB7.png
[22:43] <Billinthebox> ActionParsnip i did updates the day before
[22:44] <Billinthebox> ActionParsnipi run update nearly everytime i logon, just to check
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: in the TTY try:  sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[22:44] <wad> Three of my co-workers just got new Dell laptops. They are having a horrible time getting Ubuntu to work; they keep locking up and stuff.
[22:45] <wad> They've been trying 12.10, and have fallen back to 12.04 LTS. Now one guy is trying 12.04 with a newer kernel.
[22:45] <wad> They've been messing with various combinations of window managers and video drivers.
[22:45] <Billinthebox> ActionParsnip when i was in the TTY last time i kept getting a msg. maybe that will tell you something that helps?
[22:46] <Billinthebox> xxx@xxxxxx~$ [312.854880] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] sking for cache data failed [ 312.854957] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache : write through
[22:46] <Billinthebox> ActionParsnip xxx@xxxxxx~$ [312.854880] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] sking for cache data failed [ 312.854957] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache : write through
[22:46] <wad> Won't be long before they upgrade my laptop to the new one... then I get to run through the same gauntlet. Hopefully by then someone will have figured out the issue.
[22:47] <capeeKo> ActionParsnip:  ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200 Series
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> wad: are they ATi 2xxx, 3xxx or 4xxx ?
[22:47] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: any luck with changing USB ports or removing/re-adding the printer?
[22:47] <Billinthebox> ActionParsnip does that tell you anything that helps me?
[22:47] <ActionParsnip> capeeKo: try the boot option:   radeon.nomodeset=1
[22:48] <escott> Billinthebox, try ActionParsnip's chown command first. also "sking" doesn't sound right
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> Billinthebox: I'd fsck the partition in liveCD, make sure it is healthy
[22:48] <userZ> what if none of the live ubuntu cds will auto connect to the internet? realtec nic
[22:48] <wad> ActionParsnip, I'm looking it up....
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> !bootoption  |wad
[22:49] <boooh> after installing windows the bootloader disappeared. what i have to do?
[22:49] <Billinthebox> escott supposed to say "asking"
[22:49] <userZ> I'm running the live cds off an empty hard drive, so no way to download driver files
[22:49] <faenil> hey guys, just a quick note...it's supposed to be all linux users here
[22:50] <faenil> if you do care about having a linux phone
[22:50] <faenil> please vote Jolla here
[22:50] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: no and no...
[22:50] <faenil> http://www.tosielamandiili.fi/peukutus.shtml
[22:50] <capeeKo> ActionParsnip: I'm a bit of a newbie, you mean to type that into the root command line, correct?
[22:50] <escott> Billinthebox, those messages sound inocuous. whatever you have plugged into sdb is write through
[22:50] <k1l> !offtopic | faenil
[22:50] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: wait...how do I remove, readd the printer? uninstall or reinstall??
[22:50] <faenil> k1l, I know, but this is about linux, it's important..we should join forces
[22:50] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: uninstall AND reinstall? lol
[22:51] <k1l> faenil: sry, but please stick to the guidelines.
[22:51] <faenil> alright...it was for us all
[22:51] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: right click on the printer in the Printing-localhost window and choose "delete"
[22:52] <forgetful> I'm new here faennil but I get the feeling it's purely for technical support not activism
[22:53] <Billinthebox> ok so if i pull up a terminal in live cd session can i access my permanent install with it? how?
[22:53] <k1l> forgetful: you are right on that feeling :)  that is why we have the offic channels
[22:53] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: ok...
[22:53] <Billinthebox> escottok so if i pull up a terminal in live cd session can i access my permanent install with it? how?
[22:54] <Billinthebox> escott ok so if i pull up a terminal in live cd session can i access my permanent install with it? how?
[22:54] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: it's printing a test page. note, it printed a test page when I first installed it as well, but would not print from any program on laptop.
[22:54] <unrar> hi
[22:54] <wad> ActionParsnip, They are: radeon hd 7700m
[22:54] <capeeKo> !bootoption
[22:55] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: one second while I try from libre office..
[22:55] <escott> Billinthebox, sudo chown was intended to be run from the tty, you can do it from the livecd but you have to find the path and the id number of your username
[22:55] <Billinthebox> escott ok so i gotta logoff then
[22:56] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: I think you just became my hero of the day...It's working..
[22:56] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: is it possible to tell me what we just did in case it ever happens again???
[22:56] <Billinthebox> escott sorry. total noob to this stuff. what will the chown command do?
[22:56] <manveru> anybody know when a fix for CVE-2012-5371 will hit the repos for 12.10?
[22:57] <wad> Billinthebox, chown changes ownership of a file.
[22:57] <escott> Billinthebox, the assumption is that you used sudo when you should have used gksudo and broke your gui by making root into the owner of ~/.Xauthority. this will reset you as the owner of all the files in your home folder
[22:57] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: very cool. thank the devs that make this stuff work, i'm just here for the coffee. My /guess/ is that it auto-installed incorrectly and cleaned itself up when you reinstalled it
[22:57] <forgetful> It might be worth installing irssi when you get on the TTY Billinthebox, so you can come back even if your Desktop still isn;t loading
[22:57] <ikonia> manveru: there is no alert at that ID
[22:58] <manveru> ikonia: it's referenced from http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2012/11/09/ruby19-hashdos-cve-2012-5371/
[22:58] <ikonia> manveru: yes, but it's not a confirmed bug yet
[22:59] <Billinthebox> forgetful apt-get install irssi?
[22:59] <capeeKo> How does one go about changing their boot option when they cannot get pas the loading screen?
[22:59] <manveru> who confirms it?
[22:59] <ikonia> manveru: read the link on the cve page
[22:59] <escott> capeeKo, boot the livecd
[22:59] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: I am very appreciative. My husband and I are small business owners and we REALLY had to have a printer lol. You have just made my day. After 24 hours of working on these things, I am so glad you were able to help me fix it. Thank you very much. :)
[23:00] <ActionParsnip> toddnjamie: what was the fix?
[23:00] <forgetful> Well sudo apt-get install yeah Billinthebox
[23:00] <dr_willis> capeeKo:  you can change things from the grub menu for one time 'ussage'
[23:00] <rednecktek> toddnjamie: SB-owner myself, so glad to help
[23:01] <danny> I'm trying desperately to calibrate my monitor color. I've downloaded all these ICC profiles, but to no avail.
[23:01] <manveru> ikonia: so we'll build from source, thanks
[23:01] <Billinthebox> forgetful ok thats a good idea i guess. lol ok how do i start it in tty after installing it and then get back here?
[23:02] <forgetful> You know how to use irssi Billinthebox?
[23:02] <toddnjamie> rednecktek: you absolutely have. You and your wife have a wonderful night (at least it's almost night here lol)
[23:02] <Billinthebox> forgetful nope
[23:02] <Billinthebox> forgetful noob
[23:02] <Billinthebox> forgetful me that is
[23:03] <Billinthebox> forgetful i could only guess its some sort or IRC command line client from cotext
[23:03] <playx> the Humble THQ Bundle is only for windows. damn
[23:03] <Billinthebox> forgetful context
[23:03] <forgetful> Start it with | irssi -n "your nick" and then /connect irc.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu
[23:04] <forgetful> Yeah it is a cli IRC tool
[23:04] <forgetful> There are lots but it's the only one I've used Billinthebox
[23:05] <Billinthebox> forgetful ok i am off to give it a whack
[23:05] <ActionParsnip> forgetful: I can give you my config if you want. It auto authenticates me and joins #ubuntu
[23:05] <capeeKo> ehh, I'm too much of a newbie.  I'm just gonna waste your guys times.  I don't even know how to get to the grub menu
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> capeeKo: hold SHIFT at boot
[23:06] <capeeKo> I think maybe I should just do a re-install.. I just wanted to avoid losing all my files
[23:06] <ActionParsnip> capeeKo: your backups will protect your files
[23:07] <forgetful> Did you see what ActionParsnip said Billinthebox? Sounds like a good idea to me
[23:08] <CounterForce> hi guys... I'm new to Linux/Ubuntu.... I installed the WiBu thingy... but at the bootloader when I choose for Ubuntu I get to a commandline  grub>
[23:08] <CounterForce> what do I do there ?
[23:08] <capeeKo> holding shift didn't do anything, it's just stuck at the boot screen again.
[23:09] <capeeKo> ActionParsnip: so if I re-download & install 12.04 LTS when booted in windows I won't lose my files?
[23:10] <digitalvaldosta> Butacheese
[23:10] <capeeKo> reinstall*
[23:10] <digitalvaldosta> DO NOT TYPE rm -rf / --- this is BAD!
[23:10] <escott> CounterForce, Wubi isn't too popular in this channel
[23:11] <dr_willis> capeeKo:  when in doubt.. backup improrntant files
[23:11] <mib_mbi> hi guys - my friend set up my ubuntu server as an http network proxy - i want to turn it off, but I'm not sure what he did - how can i find out if i know that its running on port 8888?
[23:12] <ActionParsnip> capeeKo: no as you will have backups
[23:12] <bekks> mib_mbi: sudo lsof -i
[23:12] <ikonia> mib_mbi: probably squid
[23:12] <techspartan> anyone know of a free legal vmware image I can use for XP on 12.04
[23:12] <PippinW> Anyone one around that wants to try and help me solve an apache / mod_rewrite issue on my ubuntu server?
[23:13] <VlanX> techspartan: don't think that there is any
[23:13] <ikonia> PippinW: be aware of the guys in #httpd
[23:13] <bekks> techspartan: There is none, since XP isnt free to use.
[23:14] <techspartan> right...ok thanks
[23:14] <capeeKo> ActionParsnip:  Okay, thank you.  I think I will just do that as it seems easier.  I also won't eat up your time so you can help folks here that don't need their hand held through every instruction, lol.
[23:14] <techspartan> just thought I'd ask
[23:14] <capeeKo> Have a great Thanksgiving.
[23:14] <forgetful> techspartan, why can't you make your own? The free VMware player allows installation now
[23:14] <Help22> Can some one help me install ubuntu with vista
[23:14] <Help22> i  get error's  it says no root file system is defined, please correct this from the partion menu,
[23:14] <VlanX> Could anybody tell me why disabling journalling to save SSD writes is a bad idea?
[23:14] <techspartan> well I cant find my old copy of XP...and I tried to make convert my physical to a vmware img
[23:15] <techspartan> but that isn't working
[23:15] <dr_willis> you need to define where the '/' partion is supposed to go Help22
[23:15] <ActionParsnip> Help22: you used custom partitioning, you need to tell the installer which partition to use for what
[23:15] <techspartan> in 12.04
[23:15] <techspartan> my windows part is win 7
[23:15] <dr_willis> Help22:  / is also called 'root'
[23:15] <Help22> ActionParsnip,  dr_willis  idk which one to choose
[23:15] <techspartan> I don't like booting into it
[23:15] <escott> VlanX, thats seems perfectly reasonable if that is your concern
[23:15] <dr_willis> Help22:  you re the one partioning your drives.. so we cant tell..
[23:16] <Help22> can you help me go through it?
[23:16] <dr_willis> Help22:  normally you make a  linux partion of type ext4 and a swap partiion.
[23:16] <escott> techspartan, as long as you have the number any image should be fine
[23:16] <dr_willis> Help22:  the installer has some automatic partioning options
[23:16] <VlanX> escott: having three VM's with EXT4, yes it does. Can i disable it w/out having to use EXT2 ?
[23:16] <mib_mbi> bekks: i see its running something in python on 8888, and it has this: ip-XX-XXX-XX-XXX.ec2.internal:8888->rrcs-XX-XXX-XXX-XX.nyc.biz.rr.com:61641 (ESTABLISHED)
[23:16] <Help22> i did that linux partion of type ext4, what do u mean swap partion
[23:16] <dr_willis> Help22:  then your linux partion will be the / for the mountpoint
[23:16] <escott> VlanX, the distinction between ext2/3/4 is not a bright line.
[23:16] <ActionParsnip> Help22: you need a swap partition for suspend, its like the page file in Windows
[23:16] <ricket|web> My computer is a NIS client. How can I add a (nis) user locally with a custom home directory, so that I can still log in without an internet connection?
[23:17] <Help22> 0.o
[23:17] <dr_willis> Help22:  normally one makes a swap partion. equal in size to your ram typically.
[23:17] <Help22> can you help me do that ^^
[23:17] <ActionParsnip> Help22: so you need at least 2 partitions, one set as swap and the other set as / formatted to ext4
[23:17] <escott> VlanX, its perfectly valid to say ext4-journalling is ext3-journaling+extents or ext2+extents
[23:17] <dr_willis> theres videos and guides on partioning the disks   Why are you not using the automated partioning features?
[23:17] <escott> VlanX, to focus only on the high level features
[23:17] <VlanX> escott: however if i keep using EXT4 i would still have the beneficts of SSD compatibility, such as trim. So can i just get rid of journalling w/out too many drawbacks?
[23:18] <bekks> mib_mbi: The first column shows you which process established that connection.
[23:18] <Help22> dr_willis,  what auto partioning features?
[23:18] <mib_mbi> bekks: ah nice, now i can look at the process, thanks
[23:18] <escott> VlanX, if you disable the journal then you are disabling journaling
[23:18] <forgetful> Oh, now I know dr_willis - I guessed twice the RAM - still works but i'm guessing it just wasted the space?
[23:18] <dr_willis> Help22: the installer has like 3 options. 'install alongside' 'use whole disk' and 'somthing else..." (which lets YOU customize the disk partions)
[23:19] <dr_willis> forgetful:  dosent really matter much these days. ;)
[23:19] <k1l> tiwce tha ram is no needed nowadays
[23:19] <VlanX> escott: is it something that i write on /etc/fstab, right?
[23:19] <dr_willis> forgetful:  i got no swap on this system right now. ;)
[23:19] <escott> VlanX, etunefs
[23:19] <dr_willis> Help22:  my normal partion layout for widnows 7 --> (windows boot partion) (windows main partion) (linux /) (linux swap)
[23:20] <dr_willis> Help22:  dependng on your setup you do it how you need.
[23:20] <VlanX> escott: since you certainly are more wise than me, if having too many SSD write rates concerns me, would it be a good idea to disable it?
[23:20] <Help22> dr_willis all i saw on my otions was erase and install, encrypt, use lvm, and something else
[23:22] <escott> VlanX, if that is your concern then that is your concern. i cant say whether or not that is a good idea. that depends on how stable your system is and how much you value the security of the journal
[23:22] <dr_willis> Help22:  you may want to check out youtube see if they got some videos of the install process..
[23:22] <Help22> dr_willis,  do u have a link?
[23:22] <dr_willis> Help22:  exactly what did you download?
[23:23] <dr_willis> Help22: err... youtube.com
[23:23] <dr_willis> ;)
[23:23] <VlanX> escott: yeah, i think that tomorrow at work i can spend few time to understand exactly how journalling works. Thanks for your help dude :)
[23:23] <Help22> i downlaod ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386
[23:23] <dr_willis> Help22:  you have a single hard drive?
[23:23] <Help22> yes dr_willis
[23:24] <dr_willis> Help22:  if you allready have it partioned. You just need to tell it what partion to use for /   making a swap partion is also a very good idea
[23:24] <escott> VlanX, personally i wouldn't disable journalling.
[23:24] <Help22> i have 3 partions that show up C, D,U
[23:24] <Help22> but in ubuntu i have like 10 that appear
[23:25] <dr_willis> Help22:  linux does not use drive letters like that.. windows does not see  linux partions
[23:25] <dr_willis> No idea what 10 you mean.
[23:25] <Help22> how do i found out how linux views it?
[23:25] <escott> VlanX, if your SSD is any good it should notice the journal blocks are hot and do a good job balancing those writes across the free blocks, if its a poor firmware is going to wear unevenly anyways
[23:25] <Help22> because then i could tell you
[23:25] <dr_willis> Help22:  sudo fdisk -l    shows the disk layout
[23:25] <Help22> how do i do that inside of windows?
[23:26] <dr_willis> Help22:  you dont.
[23:26] <Help22> oh so i have to run my cd and then run it virtualy?
[23:26] <dr_willis> You could play with the installer inside virtualbox so you can figure it out.. Ive no idea why you dont see some automatic parttioning options. perhaps you overlooked it.
[23:27] <Help22> ok dr_willis  ill open it up in vm
[23:27] <VlanX> escott: yeah, that's exaclty what i'm afraid of. I don't want the same sector to be written over and over all day when the system is idling. Iostat shows like 10 GB in a week on the SSD and i'm only writing to the HDD drive.
[23:29] <escott> VlanX, i view any SSD i purchase for the next 5 years as a temporary performance booster and have no faith it will work. if it manages to save data across a boot its a miracle.
[23:30] <VlanX> escott: well, isn't that a little too pessimistic?
[23:30] <escott> VlanX, it also means i get a present every day that my computer boots
[23:30] <Help22> dr_willis,  when i run the installation in vm there is onyl 1 device and 1 device for bootloader installation
[23:31] <dr_willis> 5 years from now.. i hope my 128gb SDD is viewd as tiny and quaint. ;) and will be easially replaced by 128TB ones..
[23:31] <VlanX> maybe in the future the SSD technology will become more reliable
[23:31] <dr_willis> Help22:  since you only have one HD in the vm.. that makes sence...
[23:31] <Help22> oh.....
[23:31] <crazyharry> does anyone has the Nexus 10 yet ? I wanted to know how  a double column conference article pdf looked in it ?
[23:31] <Help22> so..... what do i do?
[23:32] <dr_willis> Help22:  practice the installing in the vm untill you figure it out.. that was the point of the vm.
[23:32] <Help22> i did it's simple just i don't know what all to choose in the real installation
[23:32] <dr_willis> Help22:  theres most likely videos on you tube showing step by step how to install and other guides. I dont have the install process memorized.. and my systems are all multi hd
[23:32] <Help22> oh
[23:32] <dr_willis> I recall a 'install along side windows' option... but i never do it that way
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> Help22: 1 partition the same size as ram for swap and the rest for /, formatted ext4
[23:33] <dr_willis> or use the live cd. and partion your hard disk how you want.
[23:33] <Help22> that wasn't on mine,
[23:33] <dr_willis> Help22:  boot the live cd.. then come back here so we can help.. we cant do much with you in windows
[23:33] <Help22> dr_willis,  i don't get internet in the live cd
[23:34] <dr_willis> Help22:  and its a good idea to backup your windows stuff and other critical info BEFOR you  try to install
[23:34] <Help22> i have
[23:35] <ZeloZelos> if an applet fails to load (its an internet applet to allow a user to login to their bank)  is there a fix for it?
[23:35] <dr_willis> you could just install in vbox and experiment with the OS till you learn the basics  also..
[23:35] <goddard> can i encrypt something with a public key and keep my private key offline on a flash drive?
[23:35] <Help22> i have done that dr_willis
[23:36] <bekks> goddard: Thats how asymmetric encryption works, yes.
[23:36] <goddard> bekks: oh so like AES?
[23:36] <escott> goddard, yes
[23:36] <dr_willis> Help22:  reading up on how linux partions drives is a good idea. Its possible your windows disk has 4 primary partions allready made.. and thats causing the whole issue.
[23:36] <escott> goddard, AES is not asymmetric
[23:36] <Help22> oh.....
[23:37] <Help22> yeah there all labeleing with like nvidea
[23:37] <goddard> oh
[23:37] <goddard> escott: what is?
[23:37] <bekks> goddard: AES is an encryption algorithm, not a asymmetric encryption implementation.
[23:38] <goddard> oh ok
[23:38] <uiopqwer> is there a way to connect to a wireless network from the command line? i can do it through the NetworkManager Applet GUI.
[23:38] <escott> goddard, AES is a symmetric cipher. assymetric ciphers are provided by pgp/gpg and use large primes or ECC
[23:38] <escott> goddard, so RSA, DSA, and ECC
[23:38] <goddard> escott: ahh ok
[23:39] <Help22> dr_willis,  could i istall it through wubi?
[23:39] <escott> goddard, if you "gpg --help" the asymmetric ones are listed under pubkey, ciphers are symmetric
[23:39] <dr_willis> Help22:  i would forget wubi even exists....
[23:39] <Help22> why?
[23:40] <dr_willis> it stinks. ;)
[23:40] <Help22> how so?
[23:40] <dr_willis> Fragile. problematic. and next to impopssible to get help for when it breaks
[23:41] <ActionParsnip> Help22: its a pain to fix if you get boot issues and it is directly affected by the shortcomings of NTFS (Mainly fragmentations)
[23:41] <goddard> escott: rockin dude thanks
[23:41] <Help22> oh =[\
[23:43] <Guest24899> i want to delete user and is error: user currently logged in, im using command userdel -r testusername
[23:43] <ReAzem> How do you configure anacron to run things in cron.daily?
[23:43] <Help22> dr_willis,  do you think you can remote control my computer and help me set it up?
[23:43] <Guest24899> how to delete user in this situation
[23:43] <escott> Guest24899, kill the users processes
[23:43] <ikonia> Guest24899: you can't delete something while it's in use
[23:43] <k1l> Guest24899: so the user is still logged in?
[23:44] <sikklee> sup
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> Guest24899: use:  sudo killall -u username    it will boot the user, you can then delete it
[23:44] <sikklee> sup all can you see my txt?
[23:44] <ActionParsnip> sikklee: aye
[23:44] <sikklee> anyone running studio?
[23:45] <ActionParsnip> sikklee: ask your real question and see :)
[23:45] <dr_willis> Help22:  if you cant get networking working.. how is that even going to be possible,,,
[23:45] <sikklee> is anyone running ubuntustudio?
[23:45] <bazhang> sikklee, ask a real question
[23:45] <Help22> dr_willis,  is there a way to get the network working?
[23:46] <sikklee> nvm....anyone used bakktrakk before?
[23:46] <dr_willis> Help22:  i have no details of how your network is setup. or what hardware you have.
[23:46] <bazhang> sikklee, its not supported here
[23:46] <dr_willis> Help22:  run a cable to the router untill  i get my sustem installed is what i normally do
[23:46] <rednecktek> sikklee: #ubuntustudio
[23:46] <sikklee> jus sayin has anyone used it
[23:46] <bazhang> sikklee, ask the backtrack people, and stop polling here
[23:46] <sikklee> #ubuntu
[23:46] <k1l> !backtrack | sikklee
[23:48] <Help22> hmm
[23:48] <phix> Help22: what's the issue? your network isn't working?
[23:49] <Help22> im trying to install ubuntu with vista and im having alot of problems
[23:49] <capeeKo> sigh.  I can't even reinstall.  I change the boot process to my USB drive & it tells me to Remove disks or other media & press any key to restart.  why the hell did I try to install sopcast & mess with my usr/lib files..
[23:50] <ikonia> Help22: it's a simple process, install vista, install ubuntu
[23:50] <phix> Help22: Try the basics first: 1) make sure everything is turned on and plugged in, 2) have you tried turning it off and on again? 3) what does ifconfig say? can you ping anything by ip?
[23:50] <Help22> my internet works in windows
[23:50] <phix> Help22: I recommend you don't install vista unless you enjoy banging your head against your desk
[23:50] <Help22> but not in the live cd of ubuntu
[23:50] <Help22> phix its already isntalled
[23:50] <phix> Help22: ok, how is your network setup?
[23:50] <Help22> my wireless usb to my router
[23:52] <phix> Help22: ok, in ubuntu you can click on the top left ubuntu symbol button then type in setting and then click on system settings
[23:52] <phix> Help22: in there you will see network
[23:52] <Help22> ok then what?
[23:53] <phix> Help22: can you see your wireless card there?
[23:53] <Help22> well i have to reboot
[23:54] <Help22> first to my live cd
[23:54] <Help22> ok
[23:54] <Help22> BRB
[23:54] <FloodBot1> Help22: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:54] <phix> and in there you should see wireless
[23:58] <capeeKo> Any idea why it telling me to remove disks or any other media when I change the boot sequence to my USB drive first?
[23:58] <dr_willis> its not seeing any OS to boot at all.. so its saying a generic error type message perhaps...
[23:59] <capeeKo> the Ubuntu 12.04 LTS image is on it..
[23:59] <dr_willis> similer to the days when you put a floppy in tha twas not bootable.
[23:59] <capeeKo> ya I get ya, it's just frustrating because I know there is one.
[23:59] <dr_willis> capeeKo:  perhaps you put it on wrong.. how did you put the iso on the usb>


[12:01] <LinDol> hi all :)
[12:02] <LinDol> Today is friday night! :)
[12:02] <LinDol> haha ~.~
[12:03] <darkxst> hi LinDol
[12:03] <LinDol> darkxst, Thank you :)
[12:03] <LinDol> your time is mid-nignt?
[12:04] <darkxst> LinDol, no 10pm
[12:04] <LinDol> oh
[12:04] <LinDol> AEST - KST = 1 hour
[12:04] <LinDol> oh .. > _<
[12:04] <darkxst> LinDol, and replying to "hi" with "thank you" is a bit odd!
[12:05] <darkxst> you could try "hi darkxst, how are you?" or something, better english!
[12:05] <LinDol> oops. Sorry. T_T
[12:05] <LinDol> ah...!! :)
[12:05] <LinDol> right. When i was young,
[12:05] <LinDol> I learned it.
[12:06] <LinDol> Hello, Nice to meet you, How are you? ~.~
[12:06] <LinDol> darkxst, Thank you for your tip :)
[12:06] <LinDol> hi darkxst, How are you on these days?
[12:07] <darkxst> lindol but you didnt just meet me! so loose that bit
[12:07] <darkxst> LinDol, good, going to europe for ubuntu-deskop sprint in a few weeks
[12:08] <darkxst> had a job interview with Canonical last week
[12:08] <LinDol> wow,
[12:08] <LinDol> It was good :)
[12:08] <LinDol> *I think it was good ;)
[12:08] <LinDol> so.. How was interview?
[12:09] <darkxst> it went good, not heard back yet though
[12:09] <darkxst> might take a while, considering it took them 3 months to organise the interview!
[12:11] <LinDol> um.. I think It was long.
[12:11] <LinDol> *It is long
[12:13] <darkxst> lindol, they are slow
[12:18] <darkxst> LinDol, how are you translations going?
[12:22] <LinDol> oh..
[12:23] <LinDol> I will try to translate on this weekend. :)
[12:23] <LinDol> about slideshow package.
[12:23] <LinDol> Will you join irc channel on the weekend?
[12:23] <darkxst> LinDol, good;) you still have time!
[12:24] <darkxst> I am going to melbourne for the weekend I think
[12:24] <darkxst> should be back sunday arfternoon
[12:24] <darkxst> afternoon^
[12:25] <darkxst> ill be around tomorrow during the day, but not at computer much
[12:25] <LinDol> oh I think melbourne is capital city of AUS?
[12:25] <LinDol> sorry, I think melbourne is capital city of AUS. is right? :)
[12:25] <darkxst> LinDol, nope, its the best city of AUS, ACT is the capital
[12:26] <darkxst> LinDol, I live about an hour out from melbourne currently
[12:27] <LinDol> ah... I understood.
[12:27] <LinDol> by the way,
[12:27] <LinDol> sometime,
[12:27] <LinDol> I am very slow while translating to korean.
[12:28] <LinDol> because I am thinking about what is meaning sentence correctly on Korean, Reading wiki page.
[12:28] <darkxst> LinDol, your always welcome to ask questions (when I am around, or others)
[12:29] <LinDol> darkxst, Thank you for your help. darkxst
[12:29] <LinDol> I am learning english from you :)
[12:32] <darkxst> LinDol, no problem, your questions are easy to answer!
[12:35] <ricotz> darkxst, ACT?
[12:35]  * ricotz expected Canberra ;)
[12:36] <darkxst> ricotz, its a small state! consists on of canberra
[12:37] <darkxst> s/on/only/
[12:37] <ricotz> ah I see
[12:41] <darkxst> ricotz, i landed lang pack installs for gnome-control-center in wily, will merge into the ppa's soon
[12:42] <ricotz> darkxst, nice :)
[12:43] <darkxst> only took a while, wrote original patches in 3.6/3.18 days
[12:44] <darkxst> 3.8 of course
[12:44] <ricotz> darkxst, by any chance did you run into trouble building webkit 2.9.92?
[12:44] <darkxst> ricotz, not tried building it yet
[12:44] <ricotz> i mean in jhbuild
[12:45] <darkxst> ricotz, I have webkit set to skip in jhbuild configs
[12:45] <ricotz> ah ok, "ld.gold doesnt support --push-state"
[12:46] <darkxst> ld.gold can be a pain, no one upstream uses it
[12:46] <ricotz> 2.9.91 built fine though
[12:48] <darkxst> ricotz, running a build now
[12:51] <ricotz> ok
[12:53] <ricotz> jfyi https://paste.debian.net/plain/312323
[13:02] <ricotz> darkxst, ?
[13:02] <ricotz> happened here on 3%
[13:08] <darkxst> my build is not finished but long past 3%
[13:08] <ricotz> I assume it is a toolchain change in ubuntu
[13:08] <darkxst> gcc5?
[13:08] <ricotz> cmake?
[13:09] <ricotz> binutils
[13:10] <darkxst> ricotz, not entirely sure what has landed since feature freeze, I had really bad flu for 2-3 weeks
[13:11] <darkxst> NM update is causing some grief though
[13:12] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, so 2.9.92 still builds fine for your in an up2date jhbuild?
[13:13] <darkxst> ricotz, still building...
[13:14] <darkxst> ricotz, ill let you know when its done if I am still awake ;)
[13:14] <ricotz> hehe, alright
[13:14] <ricotz> I curious where this flag is coming from
[13:15] <ricotz> not a part of webkit
[13:15] <darkxst> must be from the linker settings in ubuntu then?
[13:16] <ricotz> darkxst, you have ld.gold around and the build is using it?
[13:17] <darkxst> ricotz, don't all builds on ubuntu use ld.gold?
[13:17] <ricotz> hmm, not sure
[13:18] <ricotz> /usr/bin/ld -> ld.bfd
[13:19] <darkxst> oh yes, I have it exactly backwards, webkit force ld.gold
[13:20] <darkxst> that was what causing the ppa builders to explode
[13:20] <ricotz> it is always /usr/bin/hardened-ld though
[13:20] <ricotz> /usr/bin/ld.bfd -> hardened-ld
[13:20] <ricotz> /usr/bin/ld.gold -> hardened-ld
[13:21] <darkxst> but your hitting ld.gold.real
[13:21] <ricotz> right
[13:23] <ricotz> darkxst, you have hardening-wrapper installed?
[13:23] <darkxst> ricotz, yes
[13:44] <darkxst> ricotz, build ist still chugging along, I'm off too bed,only ay 53% will takke a while more
[13:46] <ricotz> darkxst, don't worry, seems to be something wrong on my side then for whatever reason
[13:49] <darkxst> ricotz, I'll ping you in the morning and let you know if it succeded
[13:49]  * darkxst gone now
[13:55] <darkxst> ricotz, but really just disable ld.gold if you need, then it will work ;)
[15:18] <Olotila> how do I automount other partitions in boot?
[15:18] <Olotila> I have 2 partitions in my main ssd
[15:19] <Olotila> I created a shortcut to a file and it never works
[15:19] <Olotila> I have to open the partition and then the file
[15:59] <ricotz> Olotila, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[17:45] <Olotila> ok thanks ricotz


[15:27] <AnAnt> Hello, I have a file /usr/share/ubufox/defaults/preferences/300sabily-homepage.js, with the following line:
[15:27] <AnAnt> pref("browser.startup.homepage", "file:/usr/share/sabily-artwork/firefox/sabily-homepage.properties");
[15:28] <AnAnt> sabily-homepage.properties has this line:
[15:28] <AnAnt> pref("browser.startup.homepage", "file:/usr/share/sabily-artwork/firefox/sabily-homepage.properties");
[15:28] <AnAnt> yet, firefox default homepage is still Ubuntu's page
[15:28] <AnAnt> what's the reason ?
[15:28] <AnAnt> it used to work in karmic
[15:35] <cwillu> AnAnt, you're sure that's not supposed to be file:///usr/share/...?
[15:36] <AnAnt> ah, I'll try that
[15:37] <cwillu> AnAnt, a url is of the form:  scheme://username:password@domain:port/path?query_string#anchor
[15:38] <AnAnt> cwillu: that did not work either
[15:38] <cwillu> okay
[15:38] <cwillu> and the path exists?
[15:38] <AnAnt> cwillu: btw, it used to work in karmic
[15:38] <AnAnt> yup, path exists
[15:39] <cwillu> oh, wait, you're opening a properties file directly?
[15:39] <cwillu> and that used to work/
[15:39] <cwillu> ?
[15:39] <AnAnt> oh, btw, the sabily-homepage.properties has this line:
[15:39] <AnAnt> browser.startup.homepage=file:///usr/share/sabily-artwork/firefox/index.html
[15:40] <cwillu> okay, so use that path and be done with it :)
[15:40] <AnAnt> use that path in the .js file ?
[15:40] <cwillu> yes
[15:41] <AnAnt> no, that does not work
[15:42] <cwillu> you're not editing the file with firefox open are you?
[15:42] <AnAnt> I close firefox , then open it again
[15:43] <cwillu> hmm, I don't even have a defaults folder in /usr/shar/ubufox
[15:43] <cwillu> /usr/share/xul-ext/ubufox/defaults/preferences is the path I have
[15:44] <AnAnt> ah, ok
[15:46] <AnAnt> that worked ! thanks
[15:46] <cwillu> score one point for the person who knows nothing about firefox internals, yet gives advice anyway :)
[15:47] <AnAnt> haha
[15:47] <AnAnt> thanks
[15:59] <AnAnt> btw, file:/ works
[16:00] <AnAnt> bye


[08:21] <cjwatson> xnox: Don't know if you saw, but we had a tester show up overnight who can reproduce 1080701 reliably - can we make use of him later today?
[08:22] <stgraber> bug 1080701
[08:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701
[08:27] <xnox> cjwatson: noticed. will think how to best use "remote hands" =) I also want to try kentb's reproducer case. I think it might be another case of phantom lvm metadata getting left-over. Something similar to previous one bug 154086
[08:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 154086 in partman-auto-lvm (Debian) "Installing to HDD with previous ubuntu fails to create fresh LVM claiming group already in use" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154086
[08:29] <cjwatson> Beware of possible multiple causes
[10:16] <jackweirdy> Hello :) I'm trying to preseed installation for 12.04 on machines which will dual boot with MS Windows for a classroom setting. I can't find any information about using/resizing existing partitions in d-i, but I've noticed ubiquity can do the "install alongside" stuff. Is that preseedable?
[10:22] <xnox> jackweirdy: look into using partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select biggest_free. That will install into largest free disk-space. That assumes that e.g. you pre-shrink windows installs.
[10:22] <jackweirdy> awesome; I'll look into that :) Presumably I could use early_command to do the shrinking itself?
[10:22] <xnox> you can try resize_use_free, but it can choke up on resizing window installation, and that would be harder to troubleshoot.
[10:23] <xnox> (resize_use_free should resize windows & then install into biggest free)
[10:24] <xnox> jackweirdy: yes, you can do early-command as well, I'd recommend "partman/early_command" as that should have all the partitioning/fs utilities available to you.
[10:26] <jackweirdy> awesome, thanks for that :D
[13:45] <dank> Tracing through bug 1171185 by inserting 'set -x; exec 2>/tmp/foo' in /bin/partman et al
[13:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1171185 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu installer appears to hang on "Installation von Ubuntu wird vorbereitet" screen" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171185
[13:46] <xnox> dank: yeap, that would be handy. Also when you boot the image, edit the boot paramater to have "debug-ubiquity" in it, that way all logs will be more verbose.
[13:47] <xnox> dank: i'm trying to reproduce it here as well based on kentb-out  comments, but i have not been successful yet.
[13:48] <dank> hanging in /lib/partman/display.d/10initial_auto, adding set -x there
[13:49] <dank> now hanging in /lib/partman/automatically_partition/15reuse/choices
[13:49] <xnox> dank: also interesting if exectuing "os-prober" hangs. And what sort of set of operating systems are installed.
[13:50] <xnox> dank: what about output of "mount" to see what's mounted where?
[13:50] <xnox> (i guess the fact that grub-mount uses mount namespaces will not help much)
[13:50] <dank> os-prober does not hang
[13:52] <dank> mount sez:
[13:52] <dank> /cow on / type overlayfs (rw)
[13:52] <dank> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[13:52] <dank> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[13:52] <dank> udev on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[13:52] <dank> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[13:52] <dank> tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,size=10%,mode=0755)
[13:52] <dank> /dev/sr0 on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro,noatime)
[13:52] <dank> /dev/loop0 on /rofs type squashfs (ro,noatime)
[13:52] <dank> none on /sys/fs/cgroup type tmpfs (rw)
[13:52] <dank> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[13:52] <dank> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[13:52] <dank> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[13:52] <dank> tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[13:52] <dank> none on /run/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=5242880)
[13:52] <dank> none on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[13:52] <dank> none on /run/user type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,size=104857600,mode=0755)
[13:52] <dank> tmpfs on /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/90-mandatory.d type tmpfs (rw)
[13:52] <dank> hmm, why does chatzilla think /cow should be italics?  :-)
[13:53] <xnox> right, nothing unsual. / is this italics for you? /
[13:53] <dank> yes
[13:53] <xnox> =)
[13:53] <xnox> dank: can you give me output of os-prober?
[13:53] <xnox> dank: and "parted -l"
[13:53] <dank> wait for it
[13:55] <dank> hmm, how does one edit boot parameters?  f6 gives only a small set of choices.
[13:55] <dank> oh
[13:56] <xnox> dank: also I'm now thinking a tarball of /var/lib/partman would be most useful to debug why reuse is hanging.
[13:56] <dank> before triggering the problem?
[13:58] <xnox> dank: well it will not be populated yet. so get to at least the point were partman has started and /var/lib/partman/devices got populated with folders.
[13:58] <dank> os-prober outputs
[13:59] <dank> grr
[13:59] <xnox> and then create a tarball of /var/lib/partman/devices and email it to me or attach to a bug report.
[13:59] <dank> "/devv/sd1a:Ubuntu 13.04 (13.04):Ubuntu:linux"
[13:59] <dank> what's your email?
[13:59] <xnox> dank<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:00] <xnox> dank: or see PM
[14:03] <dank> parted -l says:
[14:03] <dank> Model: ATA WDC WD5000AACS-0 (scsi)
[14:03] <dank> Disk /dev/sda: 500GB
[14:03] <dank> Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B
[14:03] <dank> Partition Table: msdos
[14:03] <dank> Number  Start   End     Size    Type      File system     Flags
[14:03] <dank>  1      1049kB  14.0GB  14.0GB  primary   ext4            boot
[14:03] <dank>  2      14.0GB  22.0GB  8000MB  primary   linux-swap(v1)
[14:03] <dank>  3      22.0GB  500GB   478GB   extended
[14:03] <dank>  5      22.0GB  500GB   478GB   logical   ext4
[14:05] <dank> ok, I added set -x to /lib/partman/automatically_partition/*/choices
[14:05] <xnox> dank: ok. Let me send you a couple of files and instructions on what to try. One moment please.
[14:06] <dank> and.... this time it didn't hang.
[14:07] <xnox> dank: ok. still I'd like to send you something.
[14:07] <dank> ok
[14:09] <dank> maybe debug-ubiquity makes it not hang
[14:11] <xnox> dank: that's possible =) in that case reboot "normal", replace the reuse & replace choices with my patched scripts from people.canonical.com/~xnox/reuse and people.canonical.com/~xnox/replace
[14:11] <xnox> e.g.:
[14:12] <xnox> wget -O /lib/partman/automatically_partition/15reuse/choices http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/reuse/choices
[14:12] <xnox> wget -O /lib/partman/automatically_partition/25replace/choices http://people.canonical.com/~xnox/replace/choices
[14:12] <xnox> chmod +x /lib/partman/automatically_partition/*/choices
[14:16] <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5592667/
[14:17] <xnox> this is my current guess, that grub-mount rightfully gracefully exits with non-zero, but ro-mount subsequently chokes up completely =)
[14:17] <xnox> I guess it would be useful to redirect grub-mount and mount output somewhere useful from above.....
[14:17] <xnox> not sure where to though.
[14:21] <dank> I did the usual set -x and redirect inside partman.  Now to run...
[14:22] <dank> no hang
[14:22] <dank> want the log?
[14:22] <xnox> dank: yeah.
[14:22] <xnox> /var/log/partman /var/log/syslog
[14:23] <xnox> and the output from set -x, if it's not in /var/log/syslog (should be)
[14:27] <xnox> dank: if you install pastebinit package you can simply do " cat foo | pastebinit"
[14:27] <dank> sent
[14:28] <dank> oh, you kids, get off my lawn with this pastebin stuff :-)
[14:28] <dank> while you look at that I may do one more run with plain old files and judicious set -x to see if I can catch it hanging again
[14:30] <xnox> awesome =)
[14:37] <dank> it hung
[14:37] <dank> I'll send you another batch of logs
[14:41] <dank> sent
[14:42] <dank> fun fact: ps shows 15reuse/choices still running, in S state
[14:45] <xnox> thanks. Now, that it is hanging, can you try with replaced choices as above ^^^^ ? but please reboot. Once it's hanging, there is no clean way to go back to original state, and most likely it will work if you kill partman/choices and restart the installer instead of rebooting.
[14:46] <cjwatson> It's *usually* sufficient to kill all ubiquity/partman/parted* processes and rm -rf /var/lib/partman
[14:46] <cjwatson> But it requires some care and it's probably best to avoid introducing new variables while debugging
[14:49] <xnox> cjwatson: but that won't cleanup anything which is already mounted by e.g. reuse/replace recipes which at this point may or may not have mounted something.
[14:49] <cjwatson> True
[14:49] <xnox> i guess one can also go and do $ ls /dev/sd* | xargs -L 1 umount
[14:51] <xnox> Argh "Apr 22 14:35:47 ubuntu rsyslogd-2177: imuxsock begins to drop messages from pid 4575 due to rate-limiting"
[14:52] <xnox> cjwatson: have you considered making the limits basically unlimited for partman/ubiquity, just in case one is trying to debug it =)
[14:55] <dank> hmm.  How would I disable rate limiting for this run?
[14:56] <dank> maybe I'll just redirect stderr.
[14:56] <xnox> dank:
[14:56] <xnox> $SystemLogRateLimitInterval 0
[14:56] <xnox> $SystemLogRateLimitBurst 0
[14:56] <xnox> in
[14:57] <xnox> /etc/rsyslog.conf
[14:57] <xnox> and then restart it.
[14:59] <dank> k
[14:59] <dank> I've swapped out the two files, marked them executable, turned off rate limiting.  Here we go...
[15:08] <dank> sent.  Included output of ps augxw and lsof in files in /tmp
[15:08] <dank> and now I'm turning into a pumpkin.  I can run more tests for you tomorrow.
[15:08] <xnox> dank: did it still hang with my swapped in files?
[15:08] <xnox> dank: thanks a lot for your help!
[15:09] <xnox> well i guess i should see that in the logs...
[15:09] <xnox> it did, sigh.
[15:39] <cjwatson> xnox: It might be a plan to unlimit logging in casper, perhaps
[15:40] <cjwatson> xnox: Are you going to be in the London office tomorrow?
[15:40] <xnox> cjwatson: yeah =)
[15:40] <cjwatson> Excellent, if all else fails we can pair-debug it there
[20:39] <plars> dank: still around?
[20:49] <slangasek> xnox: hi, so I see from logs that dank was able to send you some interesting debug output
[20:50] <slangasek> xnox: does this get us closer to having a reproducer?  plars is trying to reproduce the bug, so maybe if the debug output is interesting you could share it with him
[20:51] <plars> yes, would love to find a way to reliably reproduce this
[21:12] <xnox> plars: there wasn't muh useful in it. my current hypothesis is that when ext4 needs to recover journal or otherwise have rw access to the hard drive. replace/reuse will hang. My other idea is to axe reuse/replace and simply use os-prober instead of that code.
[21:14] <xnox> similarly dirty / hybernated / not-cleanly mounted ntfs partitions could cause the same. But maybe not as much after the top crasher got fixed for it (bug 1019806)
[21:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1019806 in ntfs-3g (Ubuntu) "ntfs-3g crashed with SIGABRT in get_node()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1019806
[21:15] <xnox> I will run these past cjwatson tomorrow, and see what he thinks.
[21:16] <xnox> I think my other hdd had that once where I had to wipe it clean it was: intel raid metadata -> full-disk lvm -> lvm volumes used for VMs and thus having -> (full disk ubuntu install, nested lvm installs, etc) But (a) I wouldn't want to reproduce such a setup (b) not sure we want to support anything like that.
[21:17] <xnox> dank reported that there are no errors from os-prober, it just works fine.
[21:17] <slangasek> xnox: well, the hope is that plars would be able to get you a reproducer for this bug before tomorrow
[21:19] <xnox> slangasek: my next step is to remaster a ubiquity cd which defaults to full debugging and set -x partman and disable rate-limitting, such that hopefully lower the "debugging" skills of those who hit this bug.
[21:42] <GrueMaster> xnox: Wouldn't it be quicker/easier to modify the files in an already created cd image than remaster it?
[21:43] <xnox> GrueMaster: sure. are you affected by 1080701 ?
[21:43] <xnox> bug 1080701
[21:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080701 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "After 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' screen, raring installation hangs" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1080701
[21:44] <xnox> so far I can't think of anything more than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity#Deeper_debugging_of_partman to help us find the problem
[21:44] <GrueMaster> No, I stopped testing the live images after 12.04.
[21:44] <GrueMaster> enotime.
[21:44] <xnox> I understand.
[21:45] <GrueMaster> But I used to do this almost weekly when I was doing Arm QA.
[21:45] <GrueMaster> And before you say that is different, I used to verify issues I found on x86/amd64.
[21:46] <GrueMaster> :)
[21:53] <GrueMaster> Ubiquity is one of the ugliest programs I have seen to try to debug.  the kernel parameters for adding debug output are largely ignored from what I have seen.


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