[11:27] <rconan> hmm...weird
[11:27] <rconan> what mirror?
[11:27] <BUGabundo> changed mirror to main?
[11:27] <TychoQuad> changing mirror
[11:28] <TychoQuad> currently set to main, trying another one
[11:28] <BUGabundo> rconan: maybe main stressed out?
[11:28] <BUGabundo> TychoQuad: DON'T
[11:28] <BUGabundo> you may get python by mistake!
[11:28] <TychoQuad> okay...
[11:28] <BUGabundo> some mirrors may already have rsynced it!
[11:28] <mnemo> the fixed python package is being compiled, you can watch status here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[11:28] <rconan> BUGabundo: he'll be fine with *.archive.ubuntu.com"
[11:28] <rconan> I can confirm that gb works
[11:28] <rconan> TychoQuad: ^
[11:28] <BUGabundo> rconan: pt.arc... points to a pt local server
[11:29] <BUGabundo> it may have the files from a previous rsync
[11:29] <rconan> well... I can confirm that gb.arch works
[11:29] <Ienorand> IntuitiveNipple: I followed your debug instructions on bug 284377 and I guess that you suspicion about the IOCTL handler was indeed correct... Anything else that can be done towards resolving this issue?
[11:30] <rconan> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/38131
[11:30] <rconan> my god it's been around since dapper!
[11:30] <BUGabundo> rconan: cwillu isn't that a flash/jave related bug?
[11:31] <rconan> I have flashblock installed so I doubt it
[11:31] <rconan> and noscript for that matter
[11:31] <cwillu> rconan, are you using nv or nvidia?
[11:31] <rconan> (although launchpad which is the problem page is allowed in noscript
[11:31] <rconan> nvidia
[11:32] <rconan> the only unusual thing is I have randr disabled because I use xinerama
[11:32] <vbgunz> I have a question that has been nagging at me for a while. I have an AMD 64 system and use the binary nvidia driver. I am always asked if I want to install 32bit compatibility *but* I say no. Should I be saying yes here?
[11:32] <cwillu> rconan, that bug is overrun with "me too"'s that are probably unrelated bugs
[11:32] <rconan> vbgunz: where are you asked this?
[11:33] <vbgunz> rconan: during install of the binary driver
[11:33] <rconan> vbgunz: are you using nvidia drivers from the repo?
[11:33] <rconan> if not... why not?
[11:33] <vbgunz> rconan: I am using the run package from nvidia
[11:33] <cwillu> vbgunz, don't do that
[11:33] <rconan> vbgunz: use the repo ones
[11:33] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: one more vote on Don't do that!
[11:34] <vbgunz> I have a long spoon
[11:34] <wgrant> Add another one to that.
[11:34] <TychoQuad> vbgunz, another don't do that
[11:35] <vbgunz> not sure. last time I tried the repos I went through horror and needed envy I believe to get it right. I been using the run package since the very beginning of Jaunty
[11:35] <cwillu> vbgunz, the nvidia run file is known to break things
[11:36] <cwillu> even envy is preferable, as at least it's putting things in standard places and not ripping out files that it doesn't recognize like the upstream installer does
[11:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Ienorand: Thanks for that report. It looks like it does confirm the suspicion
[11:39] <rconan> does no-one else have a problem when searching for a bug on launchpad with firefox becoming unusably slow then?
[11:39] <rconan> download is slow but that's to be expected
[11:39] <TychoQuad> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/38131
[11:40] <rconan> TychoQuad: that's the one I pasted
[11:40] <TychoQuad> should have looked harder, lol
[11:40] <rconan> I just thought it would have been fixed sooner considering launchpad is afftected
[11:40] <cwillu> and which is overrun by people posting unrelated bugs (java, flash, javascript, slow scrolling due to unaccelerated video, etc)
[11:40] <amortvigil> what is exactly the differense between 180 and 174 driver of nvidia?
[11:40] <cwillu> amortvigil, win and fail
[11:41] <rconan> problem is I'm not sure if my video is accelerated...
[11:41] <cwillu> use 180 unless it isn't supported for your card
[11:41] <amortvigil> cwillu: 173 works for mee
[11:41] <cwillu> amortvigil, do your window decorations ever get distorted?
[11:41] <rconan> I had to do some strange stuff to Xorg to get Xinerama to work
[11:41] <amortvigil> cwillu: i have an nvidia geforce 7400
[11:41] <cwillu> rconan, glxinfo|grep render
[11:41] <rconan> direct rendering: Yes
[11:41] <rconan> is the bit you were after
[11:41] <cwillu> no
[11:41] <rconan> ?
[11:41] <cwillu> I was after the bit that comes up with the exact line I gave you :p
[11:42] <rconan> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8800 GTX/PCI/SSE2 GL_NV_depth_buffer_float, GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_depth_clamp,  GL_NV_vertex_program3, GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap,
[11:42] <cwillu> thansk :)
[11:42] <cwillu> okay, you've got acceleration working
[11:42] <rconan> thought so
[11:42] <cwillu> (direct rendering isn't bullet proof anymore)
[11:42] <cwillu> or a bullet proof guide, rather
[11:42] <rconan> I know that I can't use compositing
[11:42] <cwillu> really?
[11:43] <rconan> because randr isn't running
[11:43] <cwillu> randr is unrelated
[11:43] <cwillu> and I've got a large dual monitor set up with nvidia and compiz
[11:43] <rconan> I can't run the desktop effects
[11:43] <rconan> cwillu: using twinview?
[11:43] <cwillu> are you using twinview or xinerama
[11:43] <cwillu> you should be using twinview
[11:43] <rconan> or vanilla xinerama?
[11:43] <amortvigil> cwillu: ive got this : OpenGL renderer string: GeForce Go 7300/PCI/SSE2
[11:43] <amortvigil>     GL_NVX_conditional_render, GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap, GL_SGIS_texture_lod,
[11:43] <rconan> cwillu: can't use twinview with two cards
[11:43] <cwillu> twinview
[11:43] <cwillu> rconan, nvidia, you can
[11:44] <rconan> since when?
[11:44] <cwillu> since ever, afaik
[11:44] <cwillu> their man page talks about it extensively
[11:44] <rconan> last time I tried I ended up with two screens, each of which spanned two monitors
[11:44] <BUGabundo> any one here mods at the forums?
[11:44] <vbgunz> so how would I completely uninstall the nvidia run file?
[11:44] <BUGabundo> we are going to have a crysis! ehe
[11:44] <cwillu> vbgunz, can you reinstall fresh?
[11:44] <rconan> vbgunz: could be difficult
[11:44] <rconan> BUGabundo: where?
[11:44] <rconan> why?
[11:44] <vbgunz> cwillu: would really prefer not too
[11:45] <vbgunz> not until the ultimate backup system came about which would probably be in less (hopefully) than 10 years
[11:45] <rconan> vbgunz: it's the only guaranteed way to get rid of the nvidia install since it sometimes deletes random files
[11:45] <cwillu> vbgunz, basically, you're in an very unsupported situation.  You can try to use the .run file to uninstall, and then reboot and reinstall via the hardware drivers dialog
[11:46]  * rconan is gonna try starting again with his monitor configuration
[11:46] <BUGabundo> rconan: users getting python
[11:46] <BUGabundo> all over the forum
[11:46] <amortvigil> cwillu: can it be the problem that i mannually had to nvidia-xconfig?? so that maybe not all modules are laoded in xorg.conf?
[11:46] <cwillu> rconan, I can't guarentee it, but I was under the impression that it worked
[11:46] <vbgunz> well I have no problems. everything seems fine. I thought I ask and give the package from the repos another shot
[11:46] <darthanubis> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/libpython2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_amd64.deb
[11:46] <darthanubis>   403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[11:46] <cwillu> darthanubis, read the topic
[11:47] <darthanubis> sorry
[11:47] <BUGabundo> darthanubis: know prob
[11:47] <BUGabundo> pything is broken
[11:47] <BUGabundo> fix is now availble
[11:47] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/349467
[11:47] <Alastair_> yeah, the new package just got built
[11:49] <BUGabundo> still not in archive
[11:49] <vbgunz> I have this reboot icon in my tray. in no way does it tell me *why* I need to reboot. what is a good way to find out why I need to reboot?
[11:49] <BUGabundo> please hold a few mins
[11:49] <Alastair_> well, give it a few minutes xD
[11:56] <maco> vbgunz: its always because you had an update that requires a reboot
[11:56] <leonbrussels> I have 2 questions regarding Jaunty: If I do update-manager -d, will I get all of the new features (especially improved boot time)? And, will fglrx work?
[11:56] <Ienorand> vbgunz: Hmm, that would probably go down as a feature request... Found this: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/10021/
[11:57] <peppot> leonbrussels, fglrx is by definition broken. get another video card.
[11:57] <rconan> cwillu: right... now I have the default xorg.conf and a single screen. How would you say I go about getting this to work?
[11:57] <leonbrussels> peppot: Works fine here on Intrepid. Laptop card...
[11:57] <maco> vbgunz: its always because you had an update that requires a reboot
[11:57] <maco> vbgunz: example: the kernel was updated. a new kernel can only be loaded by rebooting
[11:58] <rconan> cwillu: I just thought of another problem though... the two monitors on the second GPU are far the left and far right ones
[11:58] <rconan> wont twinview just not work onthem?
[11:58] <peppot> leonbrussels, compositing is impossible, 2d performance is catastrophic (visible redraws when tabbing between basic windows)...
[11:58] <vbgunz> maco: yeah. I thought this would be a no-brainer. cool to see I am not alone
[11:58] <peppot> leonbrussels, laptop here too
[11:59] <vbgunz> rconan: I have a xorg that uses twinview. I can upload it for you too look at but wouldn't recommend you just copy and paste it *because* I have custom timings that may negatively affect you
[12:00] <rconan> hmm
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> Howdy!  what packages in this morning's update could have contributed to making both totem and rhythmbox get a buffer overflow at startup?
[12:00] <vbgunz> rconan: http://dpaste.com/19932/
[12:00] <leonbrussels> peppot: All I can say is that it works for me in Intrepid. Can you suggest any alternatives that work better (and maybe even on Jaunty?)
[12:00] <vbgunz> it might work for you out of the box. I have 2 17 inch CRT monitors
[12:00] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: Potentially the python2.6 disaster.
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> oh
[12:00] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: You could downgrade python2.6(-minimal) and see if that fixes it.
[12:01] <peppot> leonbrussels, no, all alternatives for me in jaunty have been painfully slow. can't recommend upgrading from intrepid, but then again I don't know if it's fglrx or jaunty that's holding back performance
[12:01] <Q-FUNK> ok
[12:01] <Q-FUNK> where would I find older releases?
[12:01] <peppot> leonbrussels, but you seem to have good performance in 8.10, perhaps I should switch back to that
[12:01] <wgrant> -ati works fine on all of my cards here.
[12:01] <rconan> vbgunz: do you get compositing with that config?
[12:01] <vbgunz> rconan: yes
[12:01] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: /var/cache/apt/archives, perhaps. Otherwise -0ubuntu4 on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6
[12:01]  * BUGabundo should ear badges for all the work at Forums
[12:01] <leonbrussels> wgrant: It works fine too, but compiz performance is much slower
[12:01] <rconan> that isn't twinview... that uses the xserver's xinerama extension
[12:02] <rconan> oh no... xinerama "0"
[12:02]  * rconan is confused
[12:02] <vbgunz> rconan: heh, I set it up quite a while back. it works for my needs just fine.
[12:03] <cwillu> rconan, it's not twinview (my mistake), but I don't see any reason in the docs why composite shouldn't be available
[12:03] <leonbrussels> if I do update-manager -d, will I get startup time improvements
[12:03] <leonbrussels> ?
[12:03] <wgrant> leonbrussels: Most probably.
[12:03] <leonbrussels> wgrant: Cool
[12:03] <Q-FUNK> 2.6.1-1ubuntu5 found in pbuilder cache. let's try it
[12:03] <leonbrussels> thx, I guess I'll upgrade then
[12:03] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: That's the broken one.
[12:04] <rconan> because xinerama and randr don't play nice...
[12:04] <rconan> and composite seems to require randr
[12:04] <vbgunz> rconan: the nvidia utlitiy tells me it is twinview
[12:04] <cwillu> composite extension is unrelated to xrandr
[12:04] <BluesKaj> Will jaunty run my fav kde3 apps like konversation and amarok 1.4 ?
[12:04] <TychoQuad> leonbrussels, let me know if you get to the package downloading stage
[12:04] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: is it?  I though that ubuntu9 was the most recent?
[12:04] <TychoQuad> i haven't been able to get that far
[12:04] <acicula> BluesKaj: i think so
[12:04] <rconan> vbgunz: it is... I read wrong
[12:04] <acicula> BluesKaj: it still comes with kde3?
[12:05] <Q-FUNK> ööööö sorry, I meant 2.6.1-0ubuntu9
[12:05] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6 says otherwise.
[12:05] <wgrant> Right.
[12:05] <wgrant> That's old.
[12:05] <acicula> is jaunty going to be an lts release btw?
[12:05] <wgrant> Old enough, but possibly too old.
[12:05] <wgrant> acicula: No.
[12:05] <Q-FUNK> yup, but it's what I have on hand
[12:05] <wgrant> acicula: 10.04 will be.
[12:05] <vbgunz> if you have 2 CRTs you can try. I have 2 17 inch monitors and its been flawless for me for a long time now. I have a 5 button mouse setup in there too. you might want to check that out
[12:05] <acicula> wgrant: ah
[12:06] <Q-FUNK> wgrant: confirmed. downgrading all python2.6 goodies fixes it
[12:06] <wgrant> Q-FUNK: OK, excellent.
[12:06] <wgrant> It wasn't entirely clear that those problems were related to the Python issue, but both did crop up around the same time.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> acicula , I'm on KDE4.2 atm and I run those apps very well . I don't care for amarok2 much , and quassel is ok , but i don't like it's layout much. Hence the question about preserving my old favs :)
[12:06] <rconan> cwillu: can I see your config?
[12:07] <acicula> BluesKaj: well if you want your old apps you probably need to install part of kde3 at least and those applications, but they generally are setup such that they can coexist
[12:08] <acicula> BluesKaj: unless support for kde3 was removed with jaunty?
[12:08] <vbgunz> the only thing I dont like about quassel is its handling of logs. it deletes a chats log entirely *if* if you delete the buffer which sucks :/
[12:08] <BluesKaj> acicula , kde 3 apps run alongside kde4 on intrepid
[12:08] <vbgunz> but I love the top window in quassels default layout. thats cool
[12:09] <vbgunz> damn I am hitting about 40KB average just updating
[12:09] <BluesKaj> so Intrepid still supports kde3 . I hope jaunty does
[12:09] <maco> no
[12:09] <maco> kde doesnt even support kde3 anymore, do they?
[12:10] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467/comments/6
[12:10] <acicula> maco: you can install the kde3 system and libraries along side
[12:10] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: on my laptop with NV 8400 dual monitor I get 130FPS on compiz benchmark
[12:10] <maco> acicula: probably, but none will be shipped standard
[12:10] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: I dont think I use compiz unless KDE4 kwin uses it
[12:10] <maco> yeah konversation's still available
[12:10] <vbgunz> I am on Kubuntu
[12:10] <BluesKaj> kde 3 is mature , it doesn't need much support
[12:11] <BUGabundo> $ glxgears
[12:11] <BUGabundo> 2797 frames in 5.0 seconds = 558.744 FPS
[12:11] <BUGabundo> 539 frames in 5.0 seconds = 107.711 FPS
[12:11] <vbgunz> 20526 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4104.466 FPS
[12:11] <vbgunz> 18480 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3694.223 FPS
[12:11] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: maximize it on the largest screen
[12:11] <vbgunz> never thought about it
[12:11] <vbgunz> ok
[12:12] <BUGabundo> wait 10 secsr
[12:12] <BUGabundo> report back
[12:12] <wgrant> BUGabundo: None of the fixes are on the main mirror yet.
[12:12] <vbgunz> 5388 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1077.600 FPS
[12:12] <vbgunz> 2393 frames in 5.0 seconds = 478.578 FPS
[12:12] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: way better card then mine
[12:12] <vbgunz> it drops after the first, why?
[12:12] <BUGabundo> wgrant: no? some one mentioned it was build and availble! duh
[12:12] <Pici> glxgears is not a benchmark
[12:13] <acicula> ^^
[12:13] <wgrant> BUGabundo: They're not published yet.
[12:13] <BUGabundo> Pici: any other tool to have a quick look?
[12:13] <rconan> what they said
[12:13] <wgrant> Pici: I yearn for the days when it required you to pass -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[12:13] <acicula> BUGabundo: phoronix.org
[12:13] <Pici> wgrant: ditto
[12:13] <BUGabundo> I like richards.py
[12:13] <acicula> mind you their testsuit is extensive
[12:13] <acicula> very extensive, dont download every test, heh
[12:14] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: I just tried glxgears -fullscreen on 2048x1120 and hit 405FPS average
[12:14] <BUGabundo> $ python richards.py
[12:14] <BUGabundo> Richards benchmark (Python) starting... [<function entry_point at 0x7fced45a3c80>]finished.
[12:14] <BUGabundo> Total time for 10 iterations: 4.01 secs
[12:14] <BUGabundo> Average time per iteration: 401.17 ms
[12:15] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: what card do own?
[12:15] <vbgunz> a 7950 GX2
[12:16] <vbgunz> its a dual 512 GDDR3 card from nvidia
[12:16] <BUGabundo> nice bit
[12:16] <BUGabundo> so a desktop one
[12:16] <BUGabundo> mine is a one year old on laptop
[12:17] <vbgunz> I can tell you one thing though. I believe the sli is rotten on Windows. Left 4 Dead I can play maxed out *but* the only thing I have to put on medium is shaders. that setting alone though makes a big difference. I just dont think sli works on that game
[12:17] <vbgunz> whether I play it with a single GPU or in sli, I actually get the same exact performance no matter what :/
[12:17] <BluesKaj> vbgunz run , glxinfo | grep direct , to see what it's really named
[12:18] <vbgunz> direct rendering: Yes
[12:18] <vbgunz>     GL_EXT_direct_state_access, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, GL_EXT_fog_coord,
[12:18] <BluesKaj> then lspci | grep VGA
[12:18] <BUGabundo> direct rendering: Yes    GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test, GL_EXT_direct_state_access,
[12:18] <vbgunz> thats all I got
[12:18] <BUGabundo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M G (rev a1)
[12:18] <BluesKaj> sry , lspci | grep VGA
[12:18] <vbgunz> 04:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G71 [GeForce 7900 GX2] (rev a1)
[12:19] <vbgunz> thats wierd. its labeled on the card as a 7900 GTX duo *but* my nvidia utility shows it as a 7950 GX2
[12:19] <BluesKaj> both decent cards , BUGabundo , vbgunz
[12:20] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: ROFL! you got dunked!
[12:20] <vbgunz> I heard Sli was broken on those cards and after enabling it in Windows for L4D I sort of believe it
[12:21] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: you wanna hear something real cool? that card was given to me. for less than 550 I built a really nice box with that :)
[12:22] <vbgunz> I think I now know why it may have been given to me ;)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, the nvidia drivers fit a lot of versions of the 7000 series
[12:23] <vbgunz> I only game and so I believe only really take advantage of the card in Windows. on GNU/Linux which I use for everything else, with compositing enabled. well, it more than fits the bill
[12:23] <vbgunz> am really considering a 295 GTX I believe.
[12:24] <vbgunz> I think it would have to fall off a truck though for me to get it now :)
[12:25] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: calm a bit down!
[12:25] <BUGabundo> you are getting a bit OT, and some one  may not like it
[12:26] <vbgunz> BUGabundo: heh, it can stay on the truck, but the price will have to fall off so to say ;)
[12:27] <rconan> cwillu: sorry if you already saw this message earlier... any chance I could see your xorg.conf?
[12:27] <darthanubis> pulse still broken
[12:27] <darthanubis> there is scratching before you paly anything
[12:27] <BUGabundo> with dtchen kernel image?
[12:27] <BUGabundo> or todays kernel?
[12:27] <darthanubis> you have to wait after the glitch to restart the app with sound
[12:28] <darthanubis> BUGabundo, todays kernel
[12:28] <darthanubis> he said todays kernel would fix the issue
[12:28] <Lachkater> isn't there a alternate jaunty beta cd avaible for download?
[12:29] <BUGabundo> Lachkater: yes
[12:29] <BUGabundo> there's an alternate cd
[12:29] <BUGabundo>  !daily
[12:29] <BUGabundo> you have both daily and daily-live
[12:29] <BUGabundo> daily is the alternate
[12:29] <BUGabundo> DVD as both!
[12:29] <Lachkater> cool thank you :>
[12:41] <SandGorgon>  has anybody used Reconstructor to make a custom livecd-installer ? Is it recommended vs some other method..
[12:41] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: I haven't!
[12:41] <BUGabundo> been looking for an easy way to do it
[12:42] <BUGabundo> usually I just extract it all from the image, mount loop, and chroot
[12:42] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: hmm... allright. is your method documented somewhere, so I can follow a step-by-step ?
[12:45] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: It is! some page on wiki.
[12:45] <bsnider> python's broken? who broke it?
[12:46]  * BUGabundo looks
[12:46] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: great... what do i search for in Google?
[12:46] <acicula> it ate something to big
[12:46] <BUGabundo> bsnider: please see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[12:46] <BUGabundo> bsnider: 20min or so for it to be in archive
[12:46] <bsnider> i guess it isn't broken if a fix has been released
[12:47] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: good question! I can't find it myself on google!  I'm on kubuntu 9.04 beta
[12:50] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: its HTML lol. but I can upload it if all else fails
[12:51] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: wiki name LiveCDCustomization
[12:51] <mofux> hi
[12:51] <BUGabundo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization?action=fullsearch&value=linkto%3A%22LiveCDCustomization%22&context=180
[12:51] <BUGabundo> mofux: hi
[12:52] <mofux> i'm just trying to upgrade from kubuntu 8.04 to jaunty beta
[12:52] <mofux> but it's missing packages at the upgrade
[12:52] <mofux> or better said... it cannot fetch them
[12:52] <ketilwaa> Hi there. How do I change the settings for the crash manager. I checked to not be notified by some crashing apps, but need the response anyhow
[12:52] <Pici> mofux: you cannot upgrade from 8.04 to 9.04 in one shot.  You need to upgrade to 8.10 first.
[12:52] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: did you get it?
[12:52] <mofux> oh sorry, i'm on 8.10
[12:53] <BUGabundo> mofux: python bug most probably
[12:53] <mofux> yes
[12:53] <BUGabundo> please see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[12:53] <mofux> how to fix it?
[12:53] <BUGabundo> wait half an hour
[12:53] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo: got the link u sent. great thanks... let me digest it !
[12:53] <mofux> BUGabundo: ok, will do
[12:53] <BUGabundo> mofux: how are you upgrading ?
[12:53] <BUGabundo> update-manager-kde -d ?
[12:53] <mofux> yup
[12:53] <mofux> exactly
[12:53] <BUGabundo> welcome on board!
[12:53] <mofux> :)
[12:53] <BUGabundo> we will be waiting for you
[12:54]  * BUGabundo thinks python should be hitting 8.04
[12:54] <BUGabundo> mofux: humm can you please pastebin you sources.list?
[12:54] <BUGabundo> or at least the error ?
[12:54] <mofux> yup
[12:54] <BUGabundo> thans
[12:55] <aVirulence> hi all, all my Python packages seem to be broken after the latest apt-get upgrade.. is this a known issue?
[12:55] <Pici> Yes.
[12:55] <BUGabundo> SandGorgon: I think this I it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[12:55] <BUGabundo> aVirulence:  please see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467
[12:55] <ketilwaa> aVirulence: see topic
[12:55] <mofux> argh, pastebin says my log is spam and won't let me post :(
[12:55] <mofux> weirdo
[12:55] <mofux> Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/python2.6-minimal_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:55] <mofux> Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/python2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:55] <mofux> Failed to fetch http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/python2.6/libpython2.6_2.6.1-1ubuntu5_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[12:55] <mofux> ^sorry for spamming the channel
[12:55]  * BUGabundo ohhh I missed /topic
[12:55] <Pici> mofux: Don't do that.
[12:56] <BUGabundo>  !pastebin
[12:56] <BUGabundo> Pici: does 8.04 also get it by the python bug?
[12:56] <Pici> mofux, BUGabundo, ma: The python upgrade has been blocked due to the aformentioned issues, just wait for it to be resolved and the urls will work again.
[12:56] <thewrath> why when i try to download the beta is it slow as hekc
[12:56] <mofux> thanks
[12:57] <sirderigo> this is the channel for the person trying jaunty jackalope?
[12:57] <BUGabundo> thewrath: everyone is hammering the server??
[12:57] <BUGabundo> sirderigo: yes
[12:57] <mofux> Pici: cool, better to have an failed upgrade then a failed system :)
[12:57] <thewrath> oh ok
[12:57] <BUGabundo> eheh
[12:57] <Pici> mofux: Exactly.
[12:57] <thewrath> thought everyone got it last night
[12:57] <thewrath> lol
[12:57] <BUGabundo> thewrath: if you had follow my tip yesterday it would be faster
[12:57] <mofux> Pici: do you have a clue how long it might take?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> mofux ,I repeat,  you can't skip a release , you have to upgrade 8.10 first , then upgrade to Jaunty
[12:58]  * ma thinks it's perhaps a day too early for beta testing...
[12:58] <BluesKaj> to 8.10
[12:58] <mofux> BluesKaj: i'm on 8.10...
[12:58] <mofux> i did write it wrong above
[12:58] <mofux> sorry
[12:58] <ma> BluesKaj: the Beta testing websites suggest that upgrading from 8.04 is also possible, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades - this could deserve sorting out then...
[12:58] <Pici> mofux: The fix has been released, it just needs to build and then propogate to the mirrors. So... sometime today.
[12:59] <mofux> ok, thakns alot guys
[12:59] <BluesKaj> mofux, earlier you said you were on 8.04
[12:59] <antoranz> guys! I'm getting three packages as "Forbidden" when I try to update
[12:59] <cwillu> antoranz, read the topic
[12:59] <antoranz> can any of you work on that?
[12:59] <mofux> BluesKaj: yep, sorry for that... i'm always messing those numbers
[12:59] <ma> antoranz: they're on it
[12:59] <Pici> antoranz: Its like that on purpose.
[12:59] <Pici> antoranz: So that people don't break their systems with a broken python package.
[12:59]  * BUGabundo wonders how many bugs have been filed on python and mirrors about this in 2h
[13:00] <mofux> hehe :)
[13:00] <BUGabundo> (12:57:28 PM) infinity: New python2.6 binaries are being pushed to mirrors, FWIW.
[13:00] <antoranz> k
[13:00] <thewrath> FWIW?
[13:00] <thewrath> BUGabundo: when do you think speeds will be back to normal
[13:00] <aVirulence> for what it's worth?
[13:00] <antoranz> and what was the problem?
[13:00] <ketilwaa> Anyone: How do I change the settings for the crash manager. I checked to not be notified by some crashing apps, but need the response anyhow
[13:01] <antoranz> they figured out something after having made the beta announcement?
[13:01] <thewrath> python is broken
[13:01] <BUGabundo> thewrath: in 5 weeks ROFL
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ok np, mofux  have you read this tutorial to upgrade from 8.10 ? , http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[13:01] <thewrath> come on
[13:01] <sirderigo> the beta is really good, but yes python is death :(
[13:01] <mofux> BluesKaj: thanks for your help.. i think i know what went wrong now... yes i've read it
[13:01] <sirderigo> and performous, amarok, and banshee donesnt work
[13:01] <thewrath> bbl
[13:02] <thewrath> going to boot into ubuntu and update since i am not get the beta .iso atm
[13:02] <antoranz> oh... now you hit me with amarok. I have started to hate it
[13:02] <aurel42> Howdy, it seems since upgrading to jaunty, something is wrong<tm> with ssh-agent. After a while of working with it, ssh-add suddenly claims it cannot access the authentication agent, even though ssh-agent is still running.
[13:02] <aurel42> Is this a known issue?
[13:03] <antoranz> half of the songs in my meizu don't even show up in my collection
[13:03] <BUGabundo> aurel42: see topic
[13:03] <aurel42> BUGabundo: which part? the "not supported" part?
[13:03] <BUGabundo> eheh
[13:03] <sirderigo> antoranz, it read all my music but doesnt work
[13:03] <BUGabundo> no python breakage
[13:04] <aurel42> BUGabundo: I wasn't aware that ssh-agent has to do with Python.
[13:04] <antoranz> well.... it does work in my box... a little unreliably, but works
[13:04] <sirderigo> yesss there is a lot of updates!
[13:04] <sirderigo> i am actually using exaile
[13:04] <antoranz> but it's like it's connected to my likes neurons wirelessly, cause all the songs that I really LIKE, they won't show up
[13:05] <mtholdenss> hey, i got the jaunty beta 64 bit on a mac, and can't get desktop effects to work
[13:05] <thunderstruck> its too damn early for this
[13:05] <sirderigo> Andphe, wellcome my friend
[13:05] <aurel42> BUGabundo: also, I've upgraded to jaunty a couple of days ago, the problem has been present ever since and the python breakage seems to be a new issue.
[13:05] <Andphe> :)
[13:06] <BUGabundo> aurel42: ok
[13:06] <BUGabundo> then that's another thing!
[13:06] <sirderigo> gnomefreak, i too like AC/DC :D
[13:06] <aurel42> ssh-agent isn't a Python script, either. It's an ELF binary.
[13:06] <sirderigo> in a intel dual core, 1.73 ghz, 2 GB ram, jaunty hang up sometimes
[13:07] <cetanhota> Morning, has anyone tried to put 9.04 in a Vmware session?
[13:07] <sirderigo> cetanhota, i am installing vmware server right now
[13:07] <BUGabundo> guys, lunch for me! hold the fort until I came back!
[13:08] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, we will resist, no one enemy will get in
[13:08] <sirderigo> i think i like vmware.
[13:08] <cetanhota> I am having issues install the VMware tools, and all that happens is the file browser opens over and over. does not stop till I cancel the install.
[13:09] <antoranz> the hell with the fort. I'll take a nap... or better yet, read some more news
[13:09] <mnemo> here we go, python fix available in apt-get
[13:10] <sirderigo> mnemo, thats very good, i am actually upgrading
[13:10] <BUGabundo> (01:09:56 PM) mnemo: python fix available through main apt-get (not sure about mirrors)
[13:10] <sirderigo>  and later i will try to install pyragua
[13:10] <BUGabundo> guys hammer the server.... go get your FIX!
[13:10] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, the ubuntu central server?
[13:10] <mofux> yippie :)
[13:10] <BUGabundo> yep
[13:10] <BUGabundo> bye
[13:10] <sirderigo> BUGabundo, bye :)
[13:11] <ketilwaa> Would anyone  like to help with somethin not python related? How do I change the settings for the crash manager? I checked to not be notified by some crashing apps, but need the response anyhow. If nobody knows I'll shut up for now.
[13:12] <sirderigo> mmm
[13:12] <sirderigo> i will search a little, give me a second
[13:13] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, python python-central
[13:13] <billybigrigger_>   python-cupshelpers python-minimal python2.6 python2.6-minimal
[13:13] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, those are the fixed packages? along with libpython2.6
[13:14] <mnemo> yes
[13:14] <billybigrigger_> roger
[13:14] <rconan> ubuntu really needs to use diffs on the package lists...
[13:14] <rconan> downloading them at 60kb/s takes some time
[13:14] <rconan> s/b/B
[13:15] <billybigrigger_> 60k/sec, lucky you
[13:15] <billybigrigger_> haha
[13:15] <billybigrigger_> 30-40 here
[13:15]  * rconan is used to 1.6MB/s but is visiting parents at the moment
[13:16] <billybigrigger_> roger, i get 2.5MB/s here on a good day, but the main buntu server is just getting pile drived since yesterday
[13:16] <sirderigo> sirderigo, have 51.4 kbps rightnow
[13:16] <sirderigo> now i have 32 kbps
[13:16] <sirderigo> and now 15
[13:16] <rconan> I would imagine so
[13:16] <sirderigo> :'(
[13:16] <cetanhota> I will patch my VMware Guest to all current levels then try to install the vmware tools. will let you know what happens.
[13:16] <sirderigo> cetanhota, dont go broken your system ;)
[13:17] <cetanhota> Its no big deal if I do, its a vm, i can just start over. This is why I love VM!
[13:17] <cetanhota> I will take a snapshot of the VM once its patched, so if I muck it up, simple to start over.
[13:17] <sirderigo> cetanhota, oops, i am using jaunty like first and only one system
[13:18] <sirderigo> well actually i think i hace a debian sid installed
[13:18] <rconan> I'm using it on both of mine
[13:18] <rconan> needed the new Xorg to fix a bug I was having
[13:18] <cetanhota> My host is a mac, I have several guests install right now.
[13:18] <sirderigo> rconan, i now can use twinview whitout non-sleep week!
[13:20] <mtholdenss> getting no where here, geeze where are the mac users that were on last night
[13:20] <sirderigo> i have a stupid question, what version of vmware i need to download?
[13:20] <sirderigo> i already have server but i want desktop
[13:22] <BluesKaj> looks like the jaunty beta servewrs are getting hammered
[13:22] <mtholdenss> try torrents
[13:23] <cetanhota> sirderigo, let me look. I know the mac version, not sure of the pc version
[13:23] <sirderigo> cetanhota, :
[13:23] <BluesKaj> I
[13:24] <BluesKaj> I'm getting 60kb/sec
[13:24] <cetanhota> sirderigo, what os is going to be your host?
[13:25] <sirderigo> cetanhota, i cant say, i think whatever yo can download, in this moment i am thinking in freebes
[13:25] <sirderigo> freebsd
[13:25] <sirderigo> but i will force mac too, and i think 2 or 3 ubuntu for probes and
[13:26] <cetanhota> sirderigo: check this link. https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/?p=workstation-w they have a 30 day trial.
[13:26] <thewrath> hey all
[13:27] <thewrath> how do i see if any of my stuff is muted for sound
[13:27] <cetanhota> serderigo, you could also look at virtualbox, its a sun product and its free. www.virtualbox.org
[13:27] <thewrath> bc i get sound through computer speakers but through headphones i do
[13:28] <sirderigo> cetanhota, i use virtualbox, but i want to try VMWARE
[13:29] <cetanhota> sirderigo, that vm link should help. they have a 30 day trial, it a full version.
[13:29] <thewrath> vmware yuck
[13:29] <thewrath> virtual box rocks
[13:29] <sirderigo> really?
[13:29] <sirderigo> i heard vmware was better
[13:30] <cetanhota> I like the free aspect of virtual box, but I do find that the performance is way better with vm.
[13:30] <sirderigo> why vmware server is free (as in free beer) and vmware (other) no
[13:30] <cetanhota> I used virtualbox for awhile, but once I could get vmware I made the purchase.
[13:33] <unixdawg> so did we go beta ?
[13:34] <cwillu> unixdawg, no, we cancelled the whole thing
[13:34] <cwillu> we're all switching to windows 7 instead, with a nice brown theme
[13:34] <Viking_kong> ya, ubuntu is dead
[13:34] <unixdawg> lol
[13:34] <Viking_kong> as well as fedora
[13:34] <unixdawg> ok windows 7 coool
[13:35] <sirderigo> what the baby are you thelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:35]  * cwillu suggests that reading the topic would be a good way of determining whether beta was out, presuming that ubuntu.com was too far out of your way :p
[13:35]  * sirderigo changed hell for baby
[13:41] <Mithrandir> hm, isn't libvirt supposed to start dnsmasq on the virtual bridge interface?  Or was that the previous version and they've NIH-ed it?
[13:45] <XenoPhoenix> From #ubuntu: Hi guys, currently on jaunty, what's the best tips for power saving on ubuntu? I currently get 2.5 hours of battery life on my laptop, where as with windows 7 I currently get 5+
[13:46] <maxb> You might want to play with powertop
[13:46] <cwillu> XenoPhoenix, powertop, open drivers, laptop-mode-tools, and a willingness to experiment
[13:46] <maxb> I hear the display driver may make a huge difference
[13:46] <acicula> wireless too
[13:46] <XenoPhoenix> I'm a little wary of powertop, last time I went with I ended up with X not restarting after a zap and an inability to come out from a suspend
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> yeah bartman in ubuntu mentioned display drivers
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> it's an intel X3100 in a hp 2710p here
[13:47] <cwillu> XenoPhoenix, powertop is just a display tool with some builting tweaks that you can safely ignore
[13:47] <cwillu> (diagnostic tool rather, not a display)
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> currently on the default intel driver which i was lead to understand is quite good
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> ah I was told to apply the tweaks last time
[13:47] <XenoPhoenix> i guess that was a bad move? :p
[13:48] <cwillu> well, alot of them are simply inappropriate depending on various details of your use and hardware
[13:48] <XenoPhoenix> ah fair enough :)
[13:49] <billybigrigger_> anyone else having problems upgrading the fixed python packages?
[13:49] <cwillu> you should have <10 wakeups per second generally to help with the battery life (as displayed by powertop), beyond that gets into avoiding having the drive spin up (laptop-mode-tools is useful there, although I don't know for sure that simply installing it is enough to enable it)
[13:49] <XenoPhoenix> ok I'll have a play with them to see, just apting powertop now
[13:50] <XenoPhoenix> though I was interested about how to proceed with the display driver
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> http://pastebin.com/m4e998acf
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> forbidden ip error when trying to upgrade the new python fix
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> anyone else getting this? or just me?
[13:51] <XenoPhoenix> same here billybigrigger
[13:51] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[13:51] <cwillu> the fixed package isn't up yet afaik
[13:51] <bazhang> did you see the topic?
[13:51] <XenoPhoenix> ah ;)\
[13:51] <cwillu> you're trying to download the broken version, which has been forbidden for your protection :p
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> well someone said the fixed pkg's where on the servers
[13:52] <cwillu> bazhang, I've got this python error :p
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> ahh
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> roger
[13:52] <mnemo> maybe it didnt sync to mirrors yet? i've gotten the fixed version from apt-get earlier today for sure
[13:52] <billybigrigger_> im hitting the main server
[13:52] <XenoPhoenix> mine appears to be fine now (UK mirror)
[13:53] <billybigrigger_> XenoPhoenix, did you apt-get --fix-missing?
[13:53] <billybigrigger_> or just apt-get upgrade
[13:54] <XenoPhoenix> this was from synaptic
[13:54] <billybigrigger_> ahh
[13:55] <thewrath> anyone know where dchens link is to the kernal upgrade that you can get that fixes some things bc of the freeze
[13:55] <Trymon> Hello, does anybody has a qualcomm gobi / HP un2400 Card and tryed to activate it with jaunty? Google and ubuntu forums couldn't help me.
[13:58] <XenoPhoenix> think we may have found our problem here, powertop reports ~255 wakeups per second :/
[14:00] <XenoPhoenix> 62.6% (226.5)       <interrupt> : i915@pci:0000:00:02.0  <-- that's the main culprit
[14:01]  * maxb makes note to check his own i915-based netbook
[14:02] <XenoPhoenix> heh
[14:03] <kneeki> Anyone have a link to Kubuntu 9.10 Beta torrent?
[14:04] <acicula> for me it's the wireless, accounting for 50% of the wakeups heh
[14:04] <gotgnu> is the 64 bit firefox the defualt in Jaunty ?
[14:04] <acicula> gotgnu: depends if you installed the 32 or 64 bit version
[14:04] <acicula> of jaunty that is
[14:05] <XenoPhoenix> so what steps should I take to reduce thoose wakeups?
[14:06] <gotgnu> I installed the 64
[14:06] <gnomefreak> its 64 than most likely i dont have a 64 PC laying around
[14:07] <XenoPhoenix> kneeki, 32 or 64?
[14:07] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: I'd like to try 64 bit
[14:07] <Laruft_> hi, i'm finding running konversation or amarok causes lock up
[14:07] <XenoPhoenix> ooh you wanted 9.10?
[14:07] <XenoPhoenix> not 9.04
[14:08] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: Yeah, 9.10  Beta
[14:08] <XenoPhoenix> ah sorry only have 9.04 to hand
[14:08] <kneeki> I can find the direct download link to the iso, but not a torrent. Torrents are ubar fast
[14:08] <gnomefreak> kneeki: ther eis no 9.10
[14:09] <kneeki> errrr
[14:09] <gnomefreak> latest beta is 9.04
[14:09] <kneeki> lol yeah
[14:09] <kneeki> I was mixing ver numbers -_-
[14:09] <kneeki> gnomefreak: smack me next time I do that ;)
[14:09] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: Can I get the 9.04 link?
[14:10] <gnomefreak> kneeki: its in the topic
[14:10] <XenoPhoenix> I was going to say I didn't thin there was a 9.10 :P
[14:10] <gnomefreak> kneeki: type /t to read it
[14:10] <gnomefreak> kneeki: i would hold off on it
[14:10] <XenoPhoenix> see PM for the link
[14:10] <kneeki> gnomefreak: Oh?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> seeing as python is broken i would wait
[14:11] <gnomefreak> kneeki: python is a major thing in Ubuntu as well as most dists
[14:12] <kneeki> Hmm, I just wanted to get a feel for the interface. I've used Gnome my entire Ubuntu experience, and I don't think I like it
[14:12] <maxb> It's fixed again already, unless your mirror is lagging
[14:12] <maxb> Also, didn't the breakage happen *after* beta, anyway?
[14:12] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: poke...
[14:13] <XenoPhoenix> keep your pokes to yourself rconan ;)
[14:13] <gnomefreak> maxb: yes but upgrading may not give him the updated one since it browk after beta release
[14:13] <kneeki> Gnome feels like it's really flimsy, or going to break or something. Also, not every window seems to have theme support, so while using apt or updates, it feels really weird
[14:13] <XenoPhoenix> kneeki, apt / updates will be using the root theme rather than the user one
[14:13] <maxb> gnomefreak: As it broke after beta, why are you advising him to hold off downloading a beta iso?
[14:14] <BUGabundo> back
[14:14] <kneeki> XenoPhoenix: Why not keep the same theme throughout?
[14:14] <gnomefreak> maxb: he is looking for the beta disk
[14:14] <XenoPhoenix> your can symbolically link them so they appear the same though this isn't always advisable as it will be less obvious if you running a gui app as root
[14:14] <XenoPhoenix> ^^
[14:14] <gnomefreak> s/disk/iso
[14:14] <maxb> gnomefreak: Indeed. And I completely fail to understand what the python breakage has to do with downloading a beta disk
[14:15] <gnomefreak> maxb: it doesnt however the updates after he installs it will have borked python
[14:15] <unixdawg> ok updated
[14:15] <gnomefreak> afaik it hasnt been widely fixed yet but i will know more when i get finished with hg
[14:15] <maxb> gnomefreak: No they won't. The borked python was disabled in the archive
[14:16] <kneeki> gnomefreak: So, even if I update the OS after install, it would be broken?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> maxb: oh it was held back?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> kneeki: hold on a sec
[14:16] <gnomefreak> kneeki: you can try it but be known that there may/will be problems as it is beta
[14:17] <kneeki> Well of course
[14:17] <BUGabundo> mirrors are still upgrading!
[14:18] <billybigrigger_> flashplugin-nonfree still buggy for most people? like having to fully close firefox and restart it to get rid of the white box that should be a flash video?
[14:18] <billybigrigger_> on amd64
[14:18] <gnomefreak> yay its working finallu
[14:19] <rconan> woo... one of the xinerama bugs is fixed!
[14:19] <rconan> keyboard repeat one if anyone is interested
[14:20] <kneeki> Does Kubuntu keep the same theme throughout the experience, unlike Ubuntu?
[14:20] <kneeki> ^ ... seems kinda vague
[14:20] <XenoPhoenix> finally rconan, you played with GEM yet?
[14:21] <billybigrigger_> no one has problems with my above mentioned flash bug?
[14:21] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: no
[14:21] <rconan> what is it?
[14:21] <rconan> or rather what does it offer me?
[14:22] <daniel_> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 965GM GEM 20090114 x86/MMX/SSE2
[14:22] <daniel_> how do i active gem?
[14:27] <XenoPhoenix> rconan: the new display thingy lol, I'v not used it but like I said before, it should remove the need for xinerama
[14:28] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: nvidia support? don't be silly...
[14:29] <XenoPhoenix> heh
[14:29] <XenoPhoenix> i know intel has support
[14:29] <XenoPhoenix> not sure about ati or nvidia
[14:29] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: nvidia definitely don't
[14:29] <rconan> I'd be surporised ifATI do
[14:34] <XenoPhoenix> as would I, if nvidia are not
[14:38] <mofux> upgraded to the latest kubuntu now
[14:38] <mofux> my graphics are very slow (using intel onboard)
[14:38] <mofux> they've been much faster before
[14:39] <mofux> i'm using kwin with compositing here
[14:39] <Halow> Uh oh. Tried to update just now and got a 403 forbidden message on three packages.
[14:39] <cwillu> Halow, read the topic
[14:39] <rconan> Halow: python was broken
[14:39] <Halow> Doh.
[14:39] <rconan> Halow: if you apt-get update now it should be right
[14:39] <Amaranth> I do so much enjoy watching people talk about graphics, funny things get said
[14:40] <BUGabundo> Halow: you can change you mirror to MAIN and get the files
[14:41] <BUGabundo> but remember to change back after to a mirror closer to you
[14:41] <Halow> OK. Thanks cwillu and rconan. Uh... BUGabundo I think I'm on main. Let me double check.
[14:41] <rconan> cwillu: oh... you're around again... did you get my message before?
[14:42] <cwillu> rconan, yep, sorry, I'll be around a bit more in a bit, I've got a machine I need to finish up
[14:43] <unixdawg> I have to say I am impressed with howmuch jaunty feels like MS with all the updates
[14:43] <unixdawg> lol
[14:43] <BUGabundo> unixdawg: behave! :\
[14:44] <unixdawg> aww come on it was a joke
[14:44] <unixdawg> humor
[14:44] <XenoPhoenix> that's sacrilege right there :P
[14:45] <hggdh> if you cannot laugh at yourself, you are sicker than MS
[14:45] <rconan> XenoPhoenix: we wont talk about the lengths you used to go to to use windows over linux :p
[14:45] <tomsdale> what do you guys recommend over the other: apt-get upgrade or aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:46] <rconan> apt-get dist-upgrade :p
[14:46] <XenoPhoenix> rconan: shush shush that's all in the past
[14:46] <hggdh> la vie en rose?
[14:46] <XenoPhoenix> i may or may not have had my xlaunch script start a RDP session :P
[14:49] <tomsdale> ufff - main server behaves like the canadian one in general today :-)
[14:50] <hggdh> well, a lot of people are upgrading/updating/downloading today...
[14:51] <BluesKaj> tomsdale, the main server is being hammered today due to the jaunty beta release
[14:51] <XenoPhoenix> oh that would explain the mass of packages this morning
[14:52] <XenoPhoenix> I really ought to pay more attention
[14:52] <tomsdale> I know - it was also more directed towards the general performance of the canadian one which is pretty useless.
[14:55] <tomsdale> join /xubuntu
[14:55] <BluesKaj> tomsdale , I'm in Canada as well, and i found even on normal days the .ca servers are slow as molasses in january , so i chose the main server in adept as my default
[14:56] <rconan> hmm... Xorg.0.log has (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled
[14:56] <rconan> but xdpyinfo -queryExtensions doesn't show Composite
[14:58] <rconan> seems somewhat contradictory to me
[14:58] <billybigrigger_> BluesKaj, im in calgary here, and ca. servers are slow for me aswell, any idea where the ca. mirror is located?
[14:59] <tomsdale> I had to wait once for 20 minutes for an apt-get update
[14:59] <billybigrigger_> yup
[14:59] <billybigrigger_> after install i usually edit apt sources.list and remove the ca.
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> from every line
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> canadian mirror is junk, ubuntu should look into getting one on the west coast
[15:00] <tomsdale> I find it's a trap for newbies. As soon as you set the timezone it defaults to the canadian. If an update takes 20 minutes people think something is broken.
[15:00] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, I think it's at the U of Sherbrooke , Quebec. ,... not a bigtime school , prolly has a small server farm
[15:00] <billybigrigger_> tomsdale, BluesKaj where are you guys?
[15:00] <PhotoJim> Yeah, the Canadian mirror is really terrible.  I set all my Ubuntu machines (4) to use the US mirror and while it's occasionally slow, it's usually much faster.
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> tomsdale, argreed, definately a turn-off for a new user
[15:01] <tomsdale> billybigrigger: you can change that all at once in th UI to connect to the Main server btw.
[15:01] <BluesKaj> I'm about 40mi west of Sudbury ON
[15:01] <tomsdale> I'm from Riviere-du-loup Quebec.
[15:01] <PhotoJim> Regina, SK.
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> wow
[15:01] <PhotoJim> Wolf River :)
[15:01] <billybigrigger_> you guys are fairly close to server and its still slow :P
[15:01] <BluesKaj> almost enough for a forward line :)
[15:02]  * billybigrigger_ is suprised there's no vancouver mirror
[15:02] <BluesKaj> or Toronto
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> to would be ok aswell
[15:02] <tomsdale> I think they might have a technical problem on their end because its ALWAYS slow.
[15:02] <billybigrigger_> maybe we should let them know :P
[15:03] <tomsdale> good idea ^^ how do we do that
[15:03] <BluesKaj> tomsdale, they could be throttling , ..it used to be much faster a couple of yrs ago
[15:04] <PhotoJim> I'm in #ubuntu-ca... we should probably talk about Canadian mirror issues there since it's a bit off-topic for jaunty specifically
[15:05] <maxb> I think there's something weird going on with archive.ubuntu.com - it seems to be flipping back and forth between old and new versions of the Release file.
[15:05] <maxb> If you've got a decent local mirror, you're likely better off using the mirror than main
[15:05] <tomsdale> ahh - didn't know that existed. Thx PhotoJim
[15:06] <PhotoJim> tomsdale: I just discovered it the other day :)
[15:06] <LjL> cwillu, watchbot complains about xkcd links in this channel because they're categorized as humor/jokes, and this isn't #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[15:07] <cwillu> LjL, I know, I had my channels mixed up
[15:07]  * cwillu pokes himself with a stick in penance
[15:08] <LjL> cwillu: again? :P
[15:08] <cwillu> LjL, it happens alot
[15:08] <LjL> cwillu: that's worrying - you're either mad or we *really* aren't doing a good job on this channel :P
[15:08] <cwillu> LjL, if you wanna complain, there's a 'pick a new crappy language for cwillu to be written in' debate going on in -offtopic :p
[15:09] <mofux> jaunty really messed up my intel graphics :( opengl renders above windows now and overall performance is very very bad compared to interepid
[15:09] <ufa> hello!!
[15:09] <mofux> is there a workarround for this?
[15:09] <ufa> how can i enable the new notification system um Jaunty?
[15:10] <ufa> it seems that is not running
[15:10] <Halow> ufa: It should be enabled by default. You just have to use something that'll trigger it, like Rhythmbox or pidgin.
[15:10] <ufa> yeah, but pidgin does not notify
[15:10] <mnemo> mofux: there is one perf bug that can be fixed by this patch ( http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2009-January/001186.html ), but im not sure that the big perf bug that intel+EXA has right now... try this patch and see if its better, maybe?
[15:10] <ufa> maybe a bug?
[15:11] <mnemo> mofux:  on some intel chipsets UXA mode is also stable enough and it has MUCH better perf... but other chipsets have crashes in UXA so ubuntu can do all in with UXA yet
[15:12] <mofux> how do i enable UXA?
[15:12] <mnemo> mofux: in you xorg.conf, under section "Device"... add the line:
[15:12] <mnemo> Option          "AccelMethod" "UXA"
[15:12] <mofux> ok, i'll try
[15:12] <mnemo> but be prepared to crash badly
[15:13] <mnemo> what chipset do you have?
[15:13] <mofux> mnemo: it feels very much like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/342923
[15:13] <mofux> or this one: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/303011
[15:14] <mnemo> mofux: yeah at least I know I have horrible EXA perf on intel G45 as well...
[15:14] <mofux> ok
[15:15] <mofux> i'm having a G33 (when i can believe driconf output)
[15:16] <mofux> another issue i have is that CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE doesn't restart X anymore :?
[15:16] <mofux> it does nothing
[15:16] <mnemo> the ctrl-alt-del thing is by design
[15:16] <mnemo> but there is a util to change that setting
[15:16] <mnemo> sudo apt-get install dontzap
[15:17] <mnemo> run the dontzap tool if you want to enable ctrl-alt-backspace again
[15:17] <mofux> are you talking about ctrl-alt-del or ctrl-alt-backspace(as me) ?
[15:17] <mofux> ah
[15:17] <mofux> ^ ;)
[15:17] <mnemo> ah yeah, i mean backspace... sry, old win32 brain damage :) :)
[15:18] <mofux> brb... testing UXA now
[15:26] <mofux> mnemo: setting UXA did run ubuntu in low graphics mode
[15:26] <mofux> damn, even using xrender is way faster then opengl acceleration
[15:27] <mnemo> mofux: probably the X server crashed on startup.... if you find debug info in the end of xorg log and/or dmesg please report a bug on it
[15:27] <rconan> ok guys /var/log/Xorg.0.log contains (**) Extension "Composite" is enabled but xdpyinfo -queryExtensions doesn't show Composite, any reasons why?
[15:28] <rconan> weird... "Composite extension not supported by xdpyinfo
[15:28] <rconan> first line of xdpyinfo -ext Composite
[15:29] <BUGabundo> do you guys think I should apply to Ubuntu Member? could I get your support?
[15:30] <rconan> what is "Ubuntu Member"?
[15:30] <gran`> will upgrading to 9.1 lose my current setup? themes etc likely not to work?
[15:31]  * billybigrigger_ gives 1 vote for BUGabundo
[15:31] <billybigrigger_> gran`, if you have your /home on a separate partition you'll be fine
[15:31] <BUGabundo> rconan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[15:31] <mofux> mnemo: is there a way to background to interpid?
[15:31] <rconan> just found that
[15:31] <mofux> argh background = backgrade
[15:32] <Pici> !downgrade
[15:32] <billybigrigger_> gran`, but...if you installed / onto 1 partition without a separate /home partition, you will loose everything...IF you reinstall...you can always upgrade via apt and keep everything
[15:33] <gran`> i have it on seperate partitions
[15:33] <billybigrigger_> k
[15:33] <gran`> was just wondering if themes would be compatable
[15:33] <billybigrigger_> well you can either download the beta images and re-install and be fine, or upgrade via apt
[15:33] <gran`> emerald etc
[15:33] <billybigrigger_> yup
[15:34] <lifi> anyone got a working dual-head conf with fglrx?
[15:34] <billybigrigger_> just don't format your /home when re-installing
[15:35] <stooj> Of course, it's recommended you back up beforehand gran`
[15:36] <mofux> hmm, i think i will just reinstall intrepid from scratch
[15:37] <rysiek|pl> yello
[15:37] <gran`> stooj new computer, nothing worth saving :D
[15:38] <rysiek|pl> guys, is it normal that kde4 on intrepid and on jaunty, on an intel GMA965 is *slow*
[15:39] <mofux> rysiek|pl: for me it's fast on interepid but slow in jaunty
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> mofux: and I get a lot atefacts/image corruptions
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> mofux: esp. in konqueror
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> it's actually 2-3 times slower than kde3
[15:40] <mofux> this problem i don't have
[15:40] <mofux> but i have a GMA33 though
[15:40] <rysiek|pl> mofux: ah
[15:41] <SandGorgon> rysiek|pl: what does top or htop tell you about CPU/Memory consumption
[15:44] <rysiek|pl> mofux: 20-50% all the time
[15:44] <mofux> SandGorgon: ^
[15:47] <rysiek|pl> funny thing, after turning kwin desktop effects OFF, I still get artefacts
[15:47] <rysiek|pl> there is something seriously wrong with kde4 on intel
[15:48] <hmw> how much faster would my jaunty boot with ext4, if faster at all?
[15:51] <hmw> how much boot speed do i loose due to the celeron processor in use?
[15:53] <hmw> how do i make you answer these questions? *g*
[15:53] <hmw> nevermind...
[15:54] <rysiek|pl> hmw: test it
[15:55] <hmw> huh? you mean by getting another cpu??
[15:55] <rysiek|pl> hmw: I mean ext4
[15:55] <hmw> hah. i see. I just wanted to hear, what could be expected
[15:55] <stooj> hmw, have you seen bootchart?
[15:55] <hmw> i just made one
[15:55] <hmw> didnt tell me too much
[15:57] <stooj> Well, you could reinstall and reformat to ext3, then compare the two?
[15:58] <hmw> readahead, udevadm, ntfs3g and some grep/find near virtualbox are the only bigger parts
[15:59] <hmw> guess i could squeeze out 2 more seconds, but not today - i am too tired alread for serious thinking
[16:01] <hmw> nothing is better than those old ibm-microswitch-keyboards... if only my notebook had such a kbd :) people pay up to EUR200 for those!
[16:08] <gorgonzola> hello people! i want to upgrade to jaunty beta, but the release notes mention that i can't if i'm using fglrx drivers, but a fix will be released...
[16:08] <gorgonzola> should i a) wait for the fix, or b) remove fglrx before updating?
[16:09] <hmw> guess a is a safe choice. You could wipe your drive and try a clean install, but fglrx seems to cause troubles often.
[16:10] <BUGabundo> gorgonzola: try b
[16:10] <BUGabundo> or even better
[16:10] <BUGabundo> try a livecd/usb
[16:11] <hmw> yeah, livecd sounds good
[16:12] <BUGabundo> gorgonzola: and if you go for it, try -ati driver version. bryce says it quite guud
[16:14] <maxb> *blink*
[16:15] <maxb> my "any" interface has disappeared from wireshark
[16:16] <Pubnum> Ok, I need some help with junty
[16:16] <Pubnum> I'm encountering some weird bugs
[16:16] <Pubnum> definitely OS related...
[16:16] <gorgonzola> BUGabundo: Ok, i'll get ready to submit the xorg beast to my will. I just wanted to know if the fix mentioned would be available soon/is available now...
[16:17] <BUGabundo> only ati knows that
[16:17] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: its BETA
[16:17] <BUGabundo>  !beta
[16:17] <Pubnum> No, like un operational....
[16:17] <gorgonzola> BUGabundo: before preparing my armies for the bloodbath that i anticipate getting X to change the driver without losing kwin functionality xD
[16:17] <Pici> Pubnum: Explain your issues and perhaps someone can help
[16:17] <BUGabundo> gorgonzola: more important: BACKUPs BACKUPs BACKUPs BACKUPs
[16:17] <Pubnum> Right, I have the 64 bit junty and I loaded it into a vm
[16:17] <maxb> Where are the release notes? I can't seem to find them
[16:18] <Pubnum> upon opening the gui starting up my task bar is getting filled with applications I know not what of
[16:18] <Pici> maxb: Check the topic
[16:18] <maxb> ubottu: release notes?
[16:18] <Pubnum> and they are all the same...
[16:19] <gorgonzola> BUGAbundo: yeah... i know the drill... but i'd love to not have to piss my day away fighting the xorgzilla
[16:19] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, are you trying to install the VMware tools?
[16:19] <maxb> oh, are they no longer going to be on wiki.ubuntu.com?
[16:19] <Pubnum> no i ahvent installed them yet
[16:19] <BUGabundo> maxb: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/jaunty/beta
[16:19] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyJackalope/TechnicalOverview
[16:20] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, is the item your file browser?
[16:20] <maxb> It might be worth linking wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseNotes to there, for those of use used to constructing the URLs by pattern :-)
[16:20] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: you are the second today having that issue
[16:20] <cetan_hota> Yup, me being the 1st.
[16:21] <Pubnum> BUGabundo: Great, thank you
[16:21] <Pici> maxb: It *is* a wiki
[16:21] <BUGabundo> heeh cetan_hota. I have bad memory
[16:21] <maxb> yeah... I'm just not quite sure about the etiquette for semi-official pagenames
[16:21] <BUGabundo> maxb: release notes will be done for release!
[16:21] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, I have been trying to work it out, have not made much progress.
[16:22] <BUGabundo> maxb: I was told that until then the release notes pages would not exist
[16:22] <BUGabundo> cetan_hota: Pubnum can you guys file a bug
[16:22] <BUGabundo> and attach a screenshot ?
[16:22] <cetan_hota> will do.. I want to do a fresh install one more time and see what I can make happen.
[16:23] <Pubnum> yeah I can do that
[16:23] <cetan_hota> So far I think it has something todo with mounting the linux.iso that holds the vmware tools. I will update in a bit.
[16:23] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: I didn't do anything with vmware tools yet...
[16:23] <BUGabundo> cetan_hota: Pubnum can any of you also try virtualbox»?
[16:24] <cetan_hota> Doing Vbox now.
[16:24] <cetan_hota> Its has a issue with the vboxvideo drivers.
[16:24] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: thanks, cause I dont have it :X
[16:24] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, I wonder if your VM is trying to install the tools automaticly.
[16:24] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: virtualbox.org ?
[16:25] <Torch> anyone got an md5sum of kubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso ?
[16:26] <Pubnum> BUGabundo: lets see if I can get that screenie, any console command screenshots you would like with it?
[16:27] <BUGabundo> Torch: isn't it in the page?
[16:27] <Torch> BUGabundo: maybe, i can't find it, however
[16:28] <BUGabundo> Torch: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/jaunty/MD5SUMS
[16:28] <Torch> BUGabundo: thanks. where was that link?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> Pubnum: photo cam? lol
[16:28] <BUGabundo> Torch: pull on level up!
[16:28] <Torch> BUGabundo: rats, i'm blind ;-)
[16:29] <BUGabundo> eheh
[16:29] <BUGabundo> cdimage on the other hand is slowwwww
[16:29] <tux_> can't seem to move the menu-bar from the top of a default beta install to the bottom of the screen
[16:29] <tux_> anyone else find this?
[16:30] <charlie-tca> tux_: that is now a feature
[16:30] <tux_> what, that you can't move it?
[16:30] <rconan> tux_: you have you use alt + DnD
[16:30] <charlie-tca> Not by dragging.
[16:31] <tux_> thanks rconan
[16:31] <BUGabundo> tux_: alt+drag and drop
[16:34] <Pubnum> BUGabundo: here it is
[16:34] <aljosa> i'm using jaunty on imac7,1 and current graphics/display drivers are pretty bad (i can't even watch a movie in fullscreen). anybody knows if there will be any progress before release?
[16:34] <digitaloktay> hi
[16:34] <Pubnum> http://djpolaski.dragonminded.com/other/junty-issue
[16:34] <Pubnum> http://djpolaski.dragonminded.com/other/junty-issue.jpg
[16:34] <BUGabundo> 404 Not Found error
[16:35] <BUGabundo> its like cetan_hota
[16:35] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: hi
[16:35] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, thats the same exact thing.
[16:35] <digitaloktay> i have a alpha 5 cd of jaunty, can i upgrade to the beta ?
[16:35] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: yes you can upgrade
[16:35] <BUGabundo> just start update-manager
[16:36] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo, and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[16:36] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: are you running 64bit?
[16:36] <BUGabundo> but please if your mirror has updated python
[16:36] <BUGabundo> we had a critical bug today
[16:36] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: better use update-manager
[16:36] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, no not using 64bit
[16:36] <Pubnum> Well, thats not the problem then
[16:37] <Pubnum> what version of vmware?
[16:37] <cetan_hota> VMware Fusion.
[16:37] <Pubnum> GNU based...word
[16:37] <Pubnum> it has to be the distro then
[16:37] <cetan_hota> Yup, it has something todo with mounting the linux.iso
[16:38] <cetan_hota> Thats the 1st thing VMware does with you tell it to install the tools.
[16:38] <Pubnum> looks like I'm going back to 8
[16:38] <cetan_hota> did you notice this when you rebooted after the install was complete?
[16:38] <Pubnum> woah
[16:38] <digitaloktay> BUGabundo, ok thank you
[16:38] <Pubnum> I just stopped it...
[16:38] <Pubnum> It said Starting File Manager and that was it...
[16:38] <BUGabundo> digitaloktay: you are welcome
[16:39] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: it definitely was the linux.iso...thats weird
[16:40] <cetan_hota> Yes.. I am going to see if I can do the install by just moving the linux.iso to my VM machine.
[16:42] <maxb> Does anyone know anything about the "any" cooked network capture interface, and if the fact it seems to have vanished in Jaunty is a tcpdump or kernel bug?
[16:43] <muibe> now i went and upgraded into Jaunty beta thanks to my damn curiosity and I must say that it was one of the most foolish things to do as I found out it was nowhere near something that I could call 'Alpha' - i'm sorry guys for saying this but I'm forced to reinstall the whole system..
[16:43] <muibe> Jockey doesn't even work here in Jaunty Beta!!!
[16:44] <genii> Doesn't the /topic have a lot of warnings in it about exactly such dangers of unreleased softwre, etc etc?
[16:44] <muibe> this means a massive amount of fixing - but on the other I like the way this looks - and it boots awesomely
[16:44] <BUGabundo> muibe: we got it by a python bug today
[16:44] <BUGabundo> prob the reason for your probs
[16:44] <BUGabundo> muibe: run apt-get to fix it (if your mirror as the new version)
[16:45] <BUGabundo> and check again if everything works as expected
[16:45] <cetan_hota> Pubnum: I just tried to mount the iso as my cdrom, same error, file browser opening over and over. I am going to see if I can find the linux.iso out on VMWares site, download that to my vm and see what happens.
[16:45] <muibe> BUGabundo: thanks for advice :)
[16:45] <vbgunz> I think the repos are swamped. 2 minutes+ and I still have just updated :|
[16:46] <vbgunz> I see the python2.6 update
[16:48] <vbgunz> linux kernel images too?
[16:48] <XenoPhoenix> vbgunz, yeah there are kernal updates too
[16:48] <BUGabundo> vbgunz: yes that's the new one with dtchen audio fix
[16:48] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: I get the problem regardless of what ISO I open...
[16:48] <XenoPhoenix> vbgunz: which mirror are you on?
[16:48] <vbgunz> I have audio now? what exactly did it fix? the only real problem I had with audio is *only* the first user to log into a KDE session would have audio. otherwise, no other user would have it
[16:48] <vbgunz> XenoPhoenix: I have no idea, us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[16:48] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, same anytime I try to mount any iso it gives same error. I want to try to mount the ISO now inside the vm on its filesystem
[16:48] <XenoPhoenix> hmm ok, just a thought you could change your mirror to get faster updates for the meanwhile, UK mirror is still lightning fast at the moment
[16:49] <XenoPhoenix> scratch they literally just slowed down massively :P
[16:49] <trinidadflores> with the upcoming release of 9.04 does anyone know if they will be releasing it on cd
[16:49] <bazhang> trinidadflores, yes of course
[16:50] <BUGabundo> trinidadflores: why wouldn't it be?
[16:50] <trinidadflores> normally how long after the new version has been released does that normally happen>
[16:50] <BUGabundo> ah??
[16:50] <XenoPhoenix> trinidadflores, on release day that's the normal medium
[16:51] <XenoPhoenix> oh you mean on physical CDs?
[16:51] <trinidadflores> yes
[16:51] <XenoPhoenix> I presume as soon as the final image is finalised it will go to pressing that day then however long that takes?
[16:52] <XenoPhoenix> i would have still thought the same day
[16:52] <fosco__> it depends on where are you from
[16:52] <fosco__> few days
[16:53] <trinidadflores> ic
[16:53] <fosco__> iso CDs will be ready for download in the release day
[16:54] <vbgunz> does ubuntu support lightscribe?
[16:54] <vbgunz> found somehting
[16:54] <vbgunz> something*
[16:55] <trinidadflores> for me that would take a bout 3 days to finish the 64bit version
[16:56] <vbgunz> forget it. lightscribe seems to risky on AMD64
[16:57] <sammy> what server does everyone use for updates? the default server, or the main server for the united states seem deathly slow, but I've tried two other servers now and they seem to lag behind enough that, if I update my package lists from the main servers and then switch to, say duke, or easynews, the updated packages aren't there yet
[16:57] <billybigrigger_> sammy, beta was just released yesterday
[16:57] <billybigrigger_> sammy, servers are loaded
[16:57] <fosco__> de. servers are working quite well here
[16:58] <billybigrigger_> sammy, also some servers are days and even weeks behind the main server
[16:58] <o0Chris0o> I just did some updates today and I get this "http://rafb.net/p/ZdVBtp42.html" what can I do to fix this?
[16:58] <digitaloktay> has jaunty beta the new bootsplash and new gmd picture
[16:58] <fosco__> digitaloktay, yes
[16:58] <billybigrigger_> digitaloktay, yes
[16:58] <digitaloktay> oo good ;)
[16:58] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, python is broken
[16:59] <sammy> billybigrigger_: ooooh I didn't know beta was released today. thats why I'm getting 15k from the main servers.
[16:59] <sammy> billybigrigger_: and I didn't know syncs from the main server could lag so far behind!
[17:00] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: ok
[17:00] <sammy> I'll stick with the main server and let it run its course. thanks for the info, billybigrigger_
[17:00] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, what server are you using?
[17:00] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, still working with it. will let you know what success i have
[17:00] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: how do I tell
[17:01] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, your using us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:01] <muibe> BUGabundo: what did you mean with the fixing as you mentioned about apt-get and python bug.. sudo apt-get what?
[17:01] <BUGabundo> muibe: LOL
[17:01] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, you can either fire up a txt editor and remove all the "us." from us.archive.ubuntu.com and sudo apt-get update that way
[17:01] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: yes I see it now, the USA server
[17:01] <BUGabundo> well if you by any chance got the bad python
[17:01] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, or just wait till your mirror gets sync'd
[17:01] <BUGabundo> you can only fix it with apt-get upgrade
[17:02] <muibe> BUGabundo: well, i did get a very bad one obviously :D
[17:02] <muibe> BUGabundo: well, these swedish mirrors don't offer an upgrade yet
[17:02] <BUGabundo> change to main
[17:02] <BUGabundo> but its kinda slowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwish
[17:03] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, that error your getting was because, if i understood BUGabundo correctly, there was a bug in python and the maintainers purposely disabled updates until the bug was fixed, which it is now...your mirror is just behind a bit, if you NEED to update, i suggest you remove all us. from /etc/apt/sources.list and then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:03] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: ahh ok I see, thanks :)
[17:03] <sammy> maybe I'll just wait to update for a day or so :) I usually do nightly updates on my jaunty but now that we're into beta...
[17:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger that's not the proper way to edit sources.list
[17:04] <BUGabundo> for not as experienced users
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> ???
[17:04] <BUGabundo> new users should use Software-Sources
[17:04] <BUGabundo> and change the mirror there
[17:04] <o0Chris0o> billybigrigger_: easier way to do it is go to Update Manager >> Settings >>> Ubuntu Software, and click on Main Archive :D
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> o0Chris0o, there ya go :P
[17:04] <billybigrigger_> some like gui, some like cli
[17:04] <BUGabundo> editing /etc/sources.list by hand can lead to broken source tree
[17:05]  * BUGabundo loves cli
[17:05] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, yes if done incorrectly, the method i showed him would not have led to a broken source tree
[17:05] <muibe> BUGabundo: ..unless emacs and regular expressions aren't familiar stuff ;)
[17:05] <billybigrigger_> simply removing us. from all the source lines wouldn't have borked his sources.list
[17:06] <cetan_hota> Pubnum, if you can get the linux.iso to your Ubuntu VM, it will install just fine. Looks like the issue is with 9.04 mounting a iso thats on the host system.
[17:06] <BUGabundo> billybigriggeru never know what the other side is going to do
[17:06] <BUGabundo> Trust No One (TM)
[17:06] <Pubnum> cetan_hota: I assumed as much, do you know of an ETA for the fix?
[17:06] <billybigrigger_> good point BUGabundo
[17:07] <cetan_hota> No clue, I am just a user like yourself. I will file a bug report, but I am not a developer so I dont know when it will get fixed.
[17:09] <billybigrigger_> anyone know if the font OpenLogos is packaged somewhere?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> cetan_hota: Pubnum can you guys go to #ubuntu-server ?
[17:09] <BUGabundo> maybe they can provide better help
[17:09] <cetan_hota> sure happy too, I am going to file a bug report on the issue.
[17:10] <ultratek> cwillu, you there?
[17:11] <sammy> here's a question, the list of mirrors @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors lists how far behind their packages are mirrored. is that how far they are scheduled to be behind? that can't be a live representation of the current status...
[17:11] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[17:11] <sammy> using that, I can certainly choose an "up to date" mirror and relieve a bit of strain on the main servers without being a day or week behind.
[17:12] <billybigrigger_> anyone here that is fully updated, and is running 9.04 amd64 with xchat 2.8.6-2.1ubuntu4 want to try and reproduce an xchat bug for me?
[17:12] <ultratek> icannot get my ubuntu to boot becuase of the display being messed up...
[17:12] <sammy> sorry, not amd64.
[17:12] <maxb> billybigrigger: ok
[17:12] <billybigrigger_> k, press ctrl-i
[17:13] <billybigrigger_> about 5-8 times
[17:13] <billybigrigger_> does it do some wierd window switching?
[17:13] <billybigrigger_> maxb, oh and do you have compiz enabled? this might be a compiz bug too
[17:13] <ultratek> well i am in windows now
[17:14] <maxb> Yup, it creashed
[17:14] <maxb> *crashed
[17:14] <billybigrigger_> hmm
[17:14] <billybigrigger_> compiz enabled?
[17:14] <maxb> yes
[17:14]  * maxb waits for apport to do its work
[17:14] <billybigrigger_> need to find out what ctrl-i does now :P
[17:15] <billybigrigger_> maxb, already got a bug filled for it if you want to subscribe
[17:15] <maxb> number?
[17:15] <ultratek> anyone know how to get my xorg.conf to work properly i pastebinit it earlier today...
[17:16] <BUGabundo> ultratek: why do you need a costum xorg.conf?
[17:16] <ultratek> bug, it seems to not load the default vesa
[17:17] <billybigrigger_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/349754
[17:17] <ultratek> bug i did an upgrade from ubuntu8.10 with ati drivers version 9.2 for hd4850
[17:17] <billybigrigger_> bah, why is it private???
[17:17] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger 'cause apport sent it
[17:17] <billybigrigger_> boo
[17:18] <BUGabundo> check the logs, and if it is ok, remove the private flag
[17:18] <BUGabundo> do you really want to share personal information with EVERYONE?
[17:18] <maxb> billybigrigger_: It's private because a crashdump *could* in theory contain private date - imagine if a program crashed just after you were entering a password
[17:18] <maxb> *data
[17:18] <billybigrigger_> true true
[17:21] <billybigrigger_> wierd
[17:22] <ultratek> anyone experience similar display problems when loading jaunty for first time
[17:22] <maxb> billybigrigger: Is the title of your bug "xchat crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance()" too?
[17:24] <mamr> does anyone know, if the radeon hd 4550 works with the in jaunty included fglrx driver?
[17:25] <mamr> i think it's got a rv710 chipset
[17:25] <BUGabundo> mamr: check the bug for it
[17:25] <mamr> which bug?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> its documented there the list of supported devices
[17:25]  * BUGabundo checks log
[17:26] <BUGabundo> mamr: bug 313027
[17:26] <mamr> thanks, i'll check it
[17:27] <billybigrigger_> maxb, no thats not the title, i put that in the bug description though
[17:27] <maxb> hmm, that's what mine was set to automatically
[17:28] <muibe> BUGabundo: is the up-to-date python package 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1?
[17:29] <mamr> BUGabundo:  can't find a list pf supported devices there
[17:29] <mamr> pf = of
[17:29] <sparr> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
[17:29] <sparr> :(
[17:30] <BUGabundo> muibe: yes
[17:30] <sparr> how can i fix that?
[17:30] <BUGabundo> sparr: pastebin $ sudo fdisk -l
[17:30] <BUGabundo> and let us know
[17:32] <sparr> BUGabundo: let's say I am trying to mount a loop device
[17:32] <BUGabundo> sparr: please pastebin $ sudo fdisk -l . only then we can see what you have
[17:32] <sparr> I am not mounting a disk
[17:33] <sparr> I have lots of disks, they all mount fine
[17:33] <jtheuer> Hi, funny, I got a "you installed lilo for the first time" message during the upgrade ... I hope that, still, grub is the default bootloader and I can safely ignore the message?
[17:34] <BUGabundo> sparr: then what?
[17:34] <sparr> BUGabundo: a file that is a vfat image
[17:35] <BUGabundo> ahh
[17:35] <BUGabundo> loop mount it then
[17:35] <sparr> yes
[17:35] <sparr> mount: unknown filesystem type 'vfat'
[17:35] <sparr> i get that with "-t vfat" and "-t auto" and no -t
[17:35] <BUGabundo> $ sudo mount -o loop /path/to/image.vfat /mnt/image ?
[17:36] <sparr> yes
[17:36] <sparr> never mind, gotta go, hoped there would be an easy fix
[17:37] <BUGabundo> sparr: never did that
[17:37] <BUGabundo> so I can't help muc
[17:37] <BUGabundo> *much
[17:37] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu
[17:38] <charlie-tca> jtheuer: that is known. You should have GRUB installed and used, but lilo may also have installed and can be safely removed after the installation is done
[17:38] <jtheuer> charlie-tca: thanks
[17:42] <eseven73> hi are there any good links for the beta? the one i downloaded last night had errors and so i really dont want to use that mirror anymore
[17:43] <rconan> eseven73: rsync it with a good one off COUNTRYCODE.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:43] <BUGabundo> eseven73: you can use torrents or rsync
[17:43] <rconan> BUGabundo has a link for rsyncing
[17:43] <BUGabundo> to fix and complete you image
[17:44] <eseven73> it was a torrent
[17:44] <rconan> BUGabundo: almost ahead of you :p
[17:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[17:44] <BUGabundo> eseven73: humm your torrent client must be boarked
[17:44] <eseven73> i need a good working link
[17:44] <BUGabundo> most do md5 match so I can't be bad
[17:44] <BUGabundo> torrents DO work
[17:45] <eseven73> no its transmission, its not borked lol
[17:45] <rconan> eseven73: get a torrent off torrent.ubuntu.com and set the download location the same
[17:45] <rconan> if that says it's finished you must have burned badly
[17:46] <eseven73> ok ty
[17:46] <BUGabundo> eseven73: why do u say it's a bad image?
[17:46] <holyscott> Have any major bugs been found in any of the new betas since last night?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> did you check the md5?
[17:46] <rconan> holyscott: one came and went
[17:46] <BUGabundo> holyscott: only one that was POST beta. python
[17:46] <holyscott> what was that?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> but is now fixed
[17:46] <eseven73> BUGabundo:  yep it said one bad file, please reboot!
[17:46] <BUGabundo> and propagating to mirror
[17:46] <eseven73> when i did a disk check off the live cd
[17:46] <BUGabundo> eseven73: that's not what I asked
[17:46] <rconan> eseven73: you probably burned too fast?
[17:46] <eseven73> maybe
[17:47] <BUGabundo> I said if I checked the iso md5?
[17:47] <rconan> try again, use a good disk and burn as slow as you can
[17:47] <holyscott> I came to kubuntu, from linux mint, now will I be seing updates alot more quickly?
[17:47] <eseven73> ok
[17:47] <BUGabundo> only then you can be sure the image is good or bad
[17:47] <rconan> eseven73: having checked the md5 of the image like BUGabundo said
[17:47] <BUGabundo> post burn errors is another thing
[17:47] <BUGabundo> if you can, use an USB stick
[17:48] <eseven73> well k3b does an error checksum, im not sure if it uses md5 or what......
[17:48]  * BUGabundo has gained a learning buddy ( rconan )
[17:48] <BUGabundo> eseven73: its not
[17:48] <rconan> BUGabundo: ??
[17:48] <eseven73> k3b's error checking is junk then?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> eseven73: $ md5sum /path/to/image.iso
[17:48] <eseven73> k
[17:48] <BUGabundo> k3b doesn't know the correct md5
[17:48] <rconan> eseven73: it only works if you then go and check the output from it against a known good one
[17:48] <BUGabundo> rconan: just playing with you
[17:50] <rconan> quick... do all the things we're not allowed to do while watchbot is gone
[17:50] <BUGabundo> eseven73: http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/MD5SUMS
[17:50] <eseven73>  md5sum ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[17:50] <eseven73> 03b63dada5e5fce0119a52d822e406a1  ubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[17:50] <Ienorand> has cdimage.ubuntu.com collapsed from beta-hunger?
[17:51] <BUGabundo> ehehe not quick enough rconan
[17:51] <rconan> Ienorand: I would imagine it's slow at least
[17:52] <rconan> Ienorand: certainly up though
[17:52] <eseven73> ok i did md5sum on that file what now?
[17:52] <eseven73> it gave me a number
[17:52] <rconan> check that against this one
[17:52]  * rconan goes and finds
[17:53] <eseven73> ok it looks the same as the md5sums website that BUGabundo listed
[17:53] <eseven73> prolly a bad burn then :(
[17:53] <rconan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/beta/MD5SUMS
[17:53] <rconan> that one?
[17:53] <rconan> must be a bad burn
[17:53] <eseven73> no the one BUGabundo listed
[17:54] <eseven73> http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/MD5SUMS
[17:54] <BUGabundo> its the same
[17:54] <rconan> do it again, check the disk for scratches, burn it slow, cross fingers
[17:54] <eseven73> ok
[17:57] <eseven73> actually k3b does do a md5 checksum and gives you the resulting number, must of missed that some how :/
[17:59] <calc> yea most programs now have an option to check that the burn on the disk matches the iso you have on yor hd
[17:59] <calc> er your
[17:59] <BUGabundo> bbl
[18:01] <bsnider> what's the numbering ont he fixed python packages?
[18:02] <yofel> bsnider: 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1 afaik
[18:03] <excitatory> just a quick question.. will amarok 1.4.10 still be available in jaunty?  (this version of this player is a far cry from anything else available and I just cannot live without it)
[18:08] <balachmar> Hi, I'm trying jaunty in a VM, how can I get the screen resolution higher, it doesn't seem to use the stuf in xorg
[18:08] <cetan_hota> what VM?
[18:08] <balachmar> cetan_hota VirtualBox
[18:09] <cetan_hota> Balachmar, ok I am not done with my install of that one yet. Still finishing my VMware install. Sorry
[18:16] <tdn> How do I make a bootable USB thumb drive with the new 9.04 Beta Ubuntu ISO? I have just downloaded the desktop i386 version iso. What to do?
[18:18] <yofel> tdn: if you have intrepid the easy way would be to use 'usb-creator'
[18:18] <tdn> yofel, I dont. I have 8.04 installed.
[18:19] <tomsdale> tdn: I think you could try creating a bootable usb disk from a 8.10 live CD.
[18:19] <tomsdale> s/disk/stick
[18:20] <yofel> tdn: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[18:21] <mib_2yxof1> !install
[18:22] <digitaloktay> can i use jaunty with the hp netbook with Via C7 cpu
[18:22] <digitaloktay> ??
[18:22] <mib_2yxof1> !irc
[18:23] <mib_2yxof1> digitaloktay: what os did it come with?
[18:23] <digitaloktay> mib_2yxof1, vista
[18:23] <mib_2yxof1> digitaloktay: weird i didnt think vista supported via proccessors.
[18:24] <mib_2yxof1> but if vista ran then definetely ubuntu should run on it
[18:24] <tdn> yofel, thanks.
[18:24] <mib_2yxof1> btw r u sure that it is a via c7?
[18:24] <tdn> tomsdale, don't have a cd drive.
[18:24] <yofel> tdn: I just looked into the hardy repos, it looks like usb-creator is there now
[18:24] <TheInfinity> via c7 and vista? wow.  :o
[18:25] <hanasaki> anyone getting really bad download speeds from the US?
[18:25] <hanasaki> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[18:26] <digitaloktay> mib_2yxof1, http://www.hood.de/artikel/827754/hewlett-packard-2133-mini-note-pc.htm look at "Betriebssystem"
[18:27] <tdn> yofel, apt-cache search usb-creator gives nothing.
[18:27] <digitaloktay> TheInfinity, http://www.hood.de/artikel/827754/hewlett-packard-2133-mini-note-pc.htm
[18:27] <TheInfinity> oh-my-god.
[18:28] <popey> anyone here with two batteries on a laptop on jaunty?
[18:28] <popey> bug 349795 could do with someone confirming :)
[18:28] <mib_2yxof1> digitaloktay: hmm thats a first time i saw that
[18:28] <LordKow> popey, which one do you think is right?
[18:28] <mib_2yxof1> well yeah so ubuntu should tun on it.
[18:28] <popey> I'll tell you in 20 mins :)
[18:28] <LordKow> lol okay
[18:28] <mib_2yxof1> best to try with a live usb
[18:28] <yofel> tdn: it's in hardy-backports/universe
[18:28] <popey> or I wont
[18:29] <LordKow> yea i wont be here and probably neither will you when the batt goes out ;)
[18:29] <digitaloktay> oo good, i think about buy this netbook
[18:29] <digitaloktay> mib_2yxof1, *
[18:29] <tdn> yofel, ok. Would really rather stick to the official mirrors.
[18:29] <yofel> ok
[18:29] <TheInfinity> digitaloktay: you know that via cpu are "really" slow? :p
[18:30] <digitaloktay> TheInfinity, slower than atom?
[18:31] <popey> very
[18:32] <popey> atom > via > arm > geode :)
[18:32] <digitaloktay> geode? a AMD :D
[18:32] <clyde> Anyone who works with Python 2.5 in Ubuntu 9.04?
[18:33] <mib_2yxof1> hey i thought arm was faster than atom??
[18:33] <TheInfinity> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-cpu,1947-9.html
[18:33] <mib_2yxof1> also if that via netbook runs vista then ubuntu should fly
[18:33] <mib_2yxof1> but why not save ur self the hassle get a nice dell mini 9 with ubuntu preloaded
[18:33] <hil> clyde: see topic
[18:34] <digitaloktay> Vista Business
[18:34] <digitaloktay> :D
[18:35]  * genii checks to make sure he's not in a Windows channel
[18:35] <clyde> sorry ..... i have't notice that..
[18:37] <marcrosoft> Anyone else experiencing weird effect when switching virtual desktops in gnome with desktop effects set to normal?
[18:39] <DanaG> Via C7 does suck; too bad HP didn't use a Via Nano in the 2133.
[18:39] <DanaG> Are there even Xorg drivers for the VIA video chip?
[18:40] <DanaG> And too bad they DOWNGRADED the screen resolution in the Atom-based 2140.
[18:44] <muibe> what about deskbar-applet? it seems to crash as soon as I launch it
[18:44] <muibe> any ideas/workarounds?
[18:44] <bsnider> so amd finally released a usable graphics driver
[18:45] <matrixblue_> sup?
[18:45] <matrixblue_> is the fglrx driver done for xorg1.6 yet?
[18:47] <howieson28> hello kannn mir jemand sagen wie ein update auf jaunty geht mit alt + f2 geht es bei mir nicht?
[18:47] <IntuitiveNipple> can anyone give me the torrrent link for desktop live-CD i386 ?
[18:48] <howieson28> how can i update my intrepid?
[18:49] <hil> howieson28: sudo update-manager -d
[18:49] <jemark> howieson28: Alt+F2 and then type update-manager -d
[18:49] <charlie-tca> howieson28: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JauntyUpgrades
[18:50] <howieson28> current dist not found in meta-release file
[18:51] <charlie-tca> IntuitiveNipple: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/jaunty/beta/xubuntu-9.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[18:52] <IntuitiveNipple> charlie-tca: thanks.... cdimage was being *very* slow to respond so I used releases. instead
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Yeah, *slow* is right
[18:52] <hansin> I'm asking here only because I am runny Jaunty and in case there were changes since Intrepid: I want to connect to a CiscoVPN at work.  Can anyone point me into the right direct at to the best way to do it?  I am finding stuff on 'vpnclient' but also a plugin for NetworkManager.  Just a pointer in the right direction as to current best-practice and I can figure the rest.  Thanks.
[18:53] <IntuitiveNipple> I've got to build  a custom ISO image with a test kernel in, so need the beta :)
[18:53] <hansin> s/running (it is my nose that is runny)
[18:53] <charlie-tca> IntuitiveNipple: good luck
[18:53] <howieson28> current dist not found in meta-release file why this by updating to jaunty
[18:54] <IntuitiveNipple> charlie-tca: The kernel's built - just need the newer ISO image now. Didn't realise my local i386 image was a week old
[18:54] <Unggnu> hi all
[18:54] <Unggnu> Does anyone uses here an ath5k supported wlan card?
[18:54] <Unggnu> Does it work fine?
[18:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Unggnu: there are problems with ath5k currently. Are you using the version in the linux kernel package, or the one from linux-backport-modules ?
[18:56] <muibe> Unggnu: it works all fine in my case at least
[18:56] <Unggnu> IntuitiveNipple: the from the kernel package
[18:56] <muibe> i guess i've backports modules
[18:56] <IntuitiveNipple> Unggnu: not promising anything but l-b-m is worth a try
[18:56] <Unggnu> IntuitiveNipple: my system crashes and it loses a lot of packages
[18:57] <Unggnu> IntuitiveNipple: 2.6.29 works fine so far
[18:57] <Unggnu> Why it is in backport if Jaunty even isn't released?
[18:57] <IntuitiveNipple> linux-backport-modules
[18:57] <Unggnu> I know
[18:57] <rconan> Unggnu: because it's backported from mainline upstream I think
[18:57] <Unggnu> It is just normally things are inserted there could mess up the stable kernel
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> That is drivers from upstream projects that aren't in the mainline that the current kernel tracks
[18:58] <Unggnu> rconan: it is not, that Ubuntu doesn't take other thing form upstream too like the r600 code
[18:58] <IntuitiveNipple> l-b-m has later versions than are in the tracked kernel version, in other words
[19:00] <Unggnu> Ok, I'll try it
[19:00] <Unggnu> brb
[19:05] <bicyclist> anyone with a sony vaio got the brightness keys working ?
[19:05] <bicyclist> I can dim my nvidia card but the fn keys f5 and f6 do not work anymore. They did in intrepid
[19:05] <hansin> Does the 2.6.29 kernel as packaged by Ubuntu allow you to try some of the kenel modesetting stuff?
[19:06] <Pici> hansin: 2.6.29 hasn't been packaged by Ubuntu
[19:06] <bicyclist> Or how can i bind a command to f5 or f6
[19:07] <Unggnu> re
[19:07] <hansin> I don't see it in the repos, but I thought I read somewhere that the kernel team made a .deb for it.  My semantics may be off but I thought I read that somewhere.
[19:07] <Unggnu> The ath5k from the backports couldn't connect to/show channel 12/13
[19:08] <Unggnu> but reception looks better maybe if it doesn't crash ...
[19:09] <Unggnu> No package loss so far. It should really integrated in the released kernel but of course without the channel problem. Otherwise people with Atheros wlan cards will have fun with Jaunty
[19:09] <Unggnu> *packet
[19:10] <cetanhota> Is the person still here who was having a problem with 9.04 and Virtualbox?
[19:11] <cetanhota> This thread has the fix for 9.04 as a virtualbox guest. http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15512
[19:12] <Unggnu> Thanks for help IntuitiveNipple
[19:16] <gran`> hi im trying to use my laptop speakers as sound for my xbox, worked on intrepid and hardy but im not sure what settings to change on jaunty?
[19:19] <Carutsu> I'm having artifacts in my windows also all the video releated task are very, very slow, I have an Intel 945 video card (IIRC) and I didn't have this issues with Kubuntu 8.10 using KDE4.2.1 (from PPA)
[19:19] <Carutsu> is it a known problem?
[19:20] <XenoPhoenix> Carutsu, your not the only one experiencing that one I believe, though I don't know anything fixing it, you'll have to wait for someone else for that
[19:20] <Carutsu> XenoPhoenix: oh, well, thanks
[19:20] <Carutsu> I really hope it gets fixed soon... is so frustrating
[19:21] <XenoPhoenix> it might be fixable at this stage, I just don't know anything about how to do it, I'm a gnome-ite :P
[19:21] <DoYouKnow> does ubuntu 9.04 beta work with wubi?
[19:21] <Carutsu> XenoPhoenix: thanks =D
[19:21] <DoYouKnow> the amd64 version
[19:22] <yofel> Carutsu: bug 303011 might interest you
[19:22] <XenoPhoenix> Carutsu, Thank the person who helps you fix it :P
[19:22] <Carutsu> yofel: I'll have a look
[19:22] <the_dark_warrio> There is a translation bug in Pidgin. How can I report?
[19:23] <Carutsu> XenoPhoenix: hehe, good point
[19:23] <XenoPhoenix> :)
[19:24] <BUGabundo> DoYouKnow: yes it has wubi
[19:24] <BUGabundo> the_dark_warrio: on launchpad
[19:24] <BUGabundo>  !launchpad
[19:25] <DoYouKnow> BUGabundo: thanks
[19:28] <the_dark_warrio> I suggested a new translation for the error. Is that enough?
[19:28] <BUGabundo> not as fast
[19:28] <BUGabundo> you can either send it upstream (to pidgin) or talk to the tranlastion team
[19:28] <BUGabundo> but a bug always helps
[19:29] <the_dark_warrio> I see, I will find how to report a bug so
[19:29] <Pici> !bugs
[19:30] <gran`> hi im trying to use my laptop speakers as sound for my xbox, worked on intrepid and hardy but im not sure what settings to change on jaunty?
[19:32] <M25> hey, if I install the Jaunty beta, when release time comes in a month will I have to do any version updating/clean installing or will it just smoothly roll over to Final?
[19:34] <melik> BUGabundo,
[19:34] <yofel> M25: if you install all updates then you will automatically have the final when the time comes ;)
[19:34] <M25> sweet, thanks
[19:35] <danbeck> No netbook remix torent?  http://releases.ubuntu.com/jaunty/
[19:35] <melik> i finally found what was wrong with my kinit: name_to_dev_t error was all about
[19:35] <danbeck> Is there not a netbook torrent available?
[19:35] <BUGabundo> melik:
[19:35] <BUGabundo> m25 of course
[19:35] <melik> basically i had to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[19:36] <howieson28> many packages are not found is this normal by update?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> danbeck: is there an iso?
[19:36] <BUGabundo> if so there should be torrent
[19:36] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-mirrors
[19:36] <howieson28> all python packages?
[19:37] <melik> takes my jaunty 11 seconds to boot to GDM :D
[19:37] <howieson28> what can i do?
[19:37] <howieson28> with the python problem 404?
[19:37] <BUGabundo> melik: I don't believe
[19:37] <BUGabundo> install bootchart
[19:37] <danbeck> BUGabundo:  No, those are USB images for lpia and netbook devices.
[19:37] <BUGabundo> and post us the image
[19:37] <melik> what BUGabundo ?
[19:38] <BUGabundo>  !bootchart
[19:38] <BUGabundo> danbeck: yes that is correct! isn't that what you want?
[19:38] <BUGabundo> you can install the destkop skin on any other flavour!
[19:39] <yofel> howieson28: I got them here after trying serveral times, I think the servers are overloaded today ^^
[19:39] <danbeck> Yes, I mean there are not acutal isos, just usb images.  I was responding to your question about whether or not an ISO exists.
[19:39] <howieson28> can i take a other server?
[19:39] <danbeck> I found the lpia and netbook remix page, but it's just direct downloads at 40KB/s.  7 hours for an image. =(
[19:39] <danbeck> I'll check in mirrors.
[19:40] <howieson28> can i also update from a cd?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> danbeck: when I said isos, I meant images
[19:40] <danbeck> BUGabundo:  sure.  So, to answer, yes, there are images, but no torrents. =)
[19:40] <danbeck> at least, I can not find one.
[19:40] <BUGabundo> strange
[19:40] <BUGabundo> let me check
[19:40] <danbeck> yah
[19:41] <gran`> hi im trying to use my laptop speakers as sound for my xbox, worked on intrepid and hardy but im not sure what settings to change on jaunty?
[19:41] <melik> ok hang on BUGabundo
[19:41] <melik> ill restart
[19:41] <howieson28> can i update intrepid from a alternate cd?
[19:41] <BUGabundo> danbeck: yes.. no image there
[19:41] <BUGabundo> melik: WAIT
[19:41] <BUGabundo> you need one more package
[19:41] <melik> tell me name
[19:41] <yofel> howieson28: you can try another server, might help. cd: never tried
[19:41] <BUGabundo> bootchart something
[19:42] <BUGabundo> pybootchart or something
[19:42] <BUGabundo> let me check
[19:42] <BUGabundo> its new
[19:42] <melik> pybootchartgui
[19:42] <melik> ?
[19:42] <BUGabundo> melik: bootchart-java
[19:42] <BUGabundo> or that
[19:42] <BUGabundo> some ppl perfer one to the other
[19:42] <BUGabundo> install and reboot
[19:42] <howieson28> and how sorry for my bad english?
[19:43] <BUGabundo> howieson28: yes it should be possible
[19:43] <BUGabundo> but it won't have all the packages you have installed
[19:43] <howieson28> with cd?
[19:43] <howieson28> and can i change the server because its overload
[19:43] <howieson28> a update this time takes 12 hours by me
[19:44] <BUGabundo> howieson28: of course you can
[19:44] <BUGabundo> use the auto find to choose the better server for you
[19:45] <howieson28> and how my synaptic cant take this
[19:46] <BUGabundo> got to software sources and add it
[19:46] <BUGabundo> but usually inserting the cd, it should start!
[19:47] <howieson28> where can i change the server
[19:47] <BUGabundo> Software Sources
[19:48] <DasKreech> Is cdimages down?
[19:50] <melik> BUGabundo,
[19:50] <danbeck> feels like it is.. lol
[19:50] <melik> http://omploader.org/vMWZ6eQ/matrix-jaunty-20090327-1.png
[19:50] <danbeck> it's slow as hell.  Was getting 400kb/s last night.  40 now
[19:51] <BUGabundo> melik: DAMN
[19:51] <BUGabundo> 20 sec to gdm??
[19:51] <zniavre> hello i can't find screenshot tools in synaptic
[19:51] <melik> 18.32
[19:51] <BUGabundo> I want that too
[19:51] <melik> :)
[19:52] <melik> and its only a single core processor and 1 gig ram
[19:52] <melik> heh
[19:52] <BUGabundo> melik: http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/bootchart
[19:52] <BUGabundo> 85 secs for me
[19:54] <BUGabundo> melik: ping
[19:55] <melik> BUGabundo, how many daemons do you run?
[19:55] <DasKreech> argh
[19:55] <DasKreech> cdimages is a walking zombie
[19:55] <danbeck> cry
[19:56] <BUGabundo> melik: too many ?!
[19:56] <danbeck> get off mah server so I can get my Mini9 working
[19:56] <BUGabundo> DasKreech: yes it is
[19:56] <melik> yeah i can see that :P
[19:56] <BUGabundo> danbeck: ahahahaha
[19:56] <danbeck> lol
[19:57] <melik> BUGabundo, does this log to GDM
[19:57] <melik> or to a completely working GDM enviornment
[19:57] <BUGabundo> only gmd
[19:57] <BUGabundo> it usued to be possible to go longer
[19:57] <melik> hang on im going to re-run it.. i could have swore it seemed like. 13 seconds
[19:57] <BUGabundo> check my older ones
[19:57] <melik> brb
[19:58] <BUGabundo> melik: you can try to profile the boot
[19:58] <BUGabundo> and scrap a few extra secs
[19:58] <melik> profile the boot?
[19:58] <melik> as in configure it?
[19:59] <melik> lke the startup daemons
[19:59] <melik> brb
[20:02] <zorglu_> !info git-core
[20:03] <BUGabundo> zorglu_: using packages.ubuntu.com would be better lol
[20:03] <zorglu_> ok :)
[20:07] <melik> yep its 18
[20:07] <BUGabundo> melik: on grup press 'e'
[20:07] <BUGabundo> then 'e'  to edit the kernel line
[20:07] <BUGabundo> and append 'profile'
[20:07] <BUGabundo> 'enter' and then 'b' to boot
[20:08] <BUGabundo> this is a ONE time thing
[20:08]  * blueyed is getting a lot of scrollkeeper errors during upgrades. Does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure scrollkeeper" work for you without any?
[20:09] <blueyed> all like "Entity '$APPNAME' not defined"..?!
[20:09] <eseven73> im only getting like 34kb/s when trying to install stuff, is the servers down or something?
[20:09] <billybigrigger_> BUGabundo, profiling should shave a few seconds on boot? is that the point of it?
[20:09] <BUGabundo> humm it optimizes the files that you boot
[20:09] <blueyed> eseven73: they appear to be slow, yes. Add your local mirror to it.
[20:09] <billybigrigger_> eseven73, servers are bogged down from beta release be patient
[20:09] <eseven73> k
[20:09] <BUGabundo> dinner back latter
[20:10] <billybigrigger_> didnt know i could boot faster than 18s :P hehe gonna go try it now
[20:11] <tdn> Where do I report Xubuntu 9.04 Beta bugs?
[20:11] <Doctor_Nick> AT THE MOVIE THEATER TO SEE MONSTERS VS ALIENS
[20:11] <tdn> Just on launchpad like normal Ubuntu bugs?
[20:11] <TheInfinity> launchpad.
[20:12] <BUGabundo> tdn: on launchpad as usual
[20:12] <QPrime> greetings, has anyone had locale issues with the alpha6 --> beta updates?  specifically incorrect language selection on boot.
[20:12] <BUGabundo> mention the package version running $apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME
[20:12] <Halow> Wow. This makes me a little sad. Bug 332945
[20:12] <pace_t_zulu> anyone running jaunty desktop on vmware fusion?
[20:12] <akorn> Need help...last night i installed the beta for 9.04, on my 16 gig USB drive...i partitioned the drive and everything, and yes it loads perfectly and runs wonderfully off the USB drive...however, when i reboot my computer, i get an error 21 from grub, which doesn't load up, BUT if i keep the USB drive plugged in, grub loads up (off the USB drive) and it also lists off all my other OS's and everything. What I'm wondering is HOW do i fix
[20:12] <akorn>  this? (and what's the pastebin url for anybody who wants to see what my grub menu.lst looks like?)
[20:13] <akorn> i know where the pastbin is nvm
[20:22] <sammy> should updating ever spontaneously kill my X session?
[20:23] <dtchen> removing test kernels now that -11.38 is available.
[20:23] <sammy> I'm guessing no but maybe updating certain things, it should be expected? and I shouldn't be doing anything with my computer while updating?
[20:26] <aditirex> hy
[20:27] <dtchen> sammy: it shouldn't, no. please file a bug if you have additional details or can reproduce it
[20:27] <aditirex> does anyway has a working ati 3650HD ?
[20:27] <aditirex> It doesn't work for me ...
[20:27] <sammy> dtchen: unfortunately it was during the last round of updates. I could try reverting to the older versions of all of the packages, and running apt-get upgrade again
[20:28] <sammy> I should just know better than to do anything while updating. which I usually don't, in fact, since I've been running jaunty I shut down everything while updating. this last round though, the servers were so overloaded, it took 3 hours for the packages to finish downloading. if it happens again, I'll look into it
[20:29] <sammy> I just didn't know if certain packages getting upgraded might cause that behavior, at which case users should be notified. danke.
[20:30] <aditirex> I need some help with ati 3650hd on jaunty ... anyone ?
[20:33] <sammy> ooh. I found some information in /var/log/gdm/, I'll file a bug.
[20:37] <bsnider> aditirex, amd released a new catalyst driver for it today
[20:38] <genii> aditirex: I have that card but under 8.04 atm
[20:39] <the99zChris> can anyone help me? i restored my xorg file (didn't help original problem) but now i can't set my screen resolution low enough to play games...(hardy
[20:40] <yofel> the99zChris: this is the support channel for ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) - for hardy heron you should ask in #ubuntu
[20:41] <the99zChris> k thanks
[20:42] <aditirex> bsnider : so the driver that is in repositories now it's broken ?
[20:44] <bsnider> aditirex, yes it is, if it isn't the 9.3 driver
[20:45] <aditirex> in repos it's 8.6
[20:45] <bsnider> that driver xdoesn't work with the new x server
[20:45] <BUGabundo> muibe: ping
[20:46] <muibe> BUGabundo: ?
[20:46] <BUGabundo> how did it go?
[20:48] <muibe> python upgrade was very succesful with the expection that python-hevy application deskbar-applet still doesn't work.. but i'm thinking if it has something to do with the gnome-panel configuration
[20:49] <muibe> i move away the configuration files and kill the panel and try to launch the deskbar again
[20:49] <bsnider> aditirex, the 8.6 driver is the correct one. it's an unreleased beta that's compatible wtih x-server 1.6
[20:50] <aditirex> well ... it doesn't work for me
[20:50] <rconan> uhm... most recent amarok update seems to have removed the menu entry...
[20:50] <rconan> anyone else confirm this?
[20:51] <bsnider> aditirex, it doesn't work at all?
[20:51] <aditirex> noup , I get a blank screen
[20:52] <bsnider> cool
[20:55] <melik> man now i cant wait for karmic koala :/
[20:56] <bsnider> what'd you call me?
[20:56] <melik> i hope we get some nice themes
[20:57] <melik> im honestly sick of orange/brown
[20:57] <lupine_85> you can has blue?
[20:57] <lupine_85> ubuntu inspired me to wear brown shirts, actually
[20:58] <melik> i HATE the color brown
[20:58] <lupine_85> :p
[20:58] <bsnider> you can change the theme
[20:58] <lupine_85> i have an all-brown outfit
[20:58] <melik> bsnider, i know that
[20:58] <melik> and i have lol
[20:58] <lupine_85> even sox
[20:58] <melik> i want some nice professional default theme
[20:59] <melik> thats not brown
[20:59] <melik> :$
[20:59] <lupine_85> sabdfl perogative?
[20:59] <bsnider> tryfedora's theme
[21:06] <Cycom> what was wrong with python?
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> Cycom: not much by now
[21:07] <Cycom> BUGabundo1: thus the "was" :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo1> unless your mirror is hangging old
[21:07] <uniscript>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/349467 was what *was* wrong
[21:08] <Cycom> ooh, yeah. anything that breaks update-manager = bad.
[21:10] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[21:10] <PolitikerNEU> Hello, I got the following two problems with ubuntu 9.04 64bit gnome live-cd: 1) It only has 800x600 Resolution (minor problem) and 2) It doesn't start the partitioning tool so I can not install ubuntu (major problem) (The tool says 100% - but then the dialog disappears and I am still at step 3. I can click on "forward", but nothing happens any more)
[21:10] <Cycom> PolitikerNEU: when did you download the disc?
[21:11] <bsnider> PolitikerNEU, what graphics hardware?
[21:11] <PolitikerNEU> Today
[21:11] <PolitikerNEU> A few hours ago
[21:11] <Cycom> PolitikerNEU: so it's the beta, yes?
[21:11] <PolitikerNEU> Nvidia Geforce 7, I think - yes, it is the beta
[21:12] <ripps> tracker-indexer is using between 80-98% cpu usage, It's been doing it for 2 hours, it starting overheat my cpu.
[21:12] <bsnider> don't worry about the graphics problem. the binary blob isn't on the livecd
[21:12] <PolitikerNEU> yeah - as I said: that is a minor problem
[21:12] <Cycom> ripps: heh. clearly your CPU doesn't have sufficient cooling!
[21:12] <Cycom> brb. reboot.
[21:16] <rom1v> hi
[21:17] <rom1v> flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work in jaunty 64bits
[21:17] <Cycom> rom1v: does too.
[21:17] <rom1v> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=304330
[21:19] <Cycom> rom1v: have you tried installing ia32-libs and nspluginwrapper first?
[21:19] <PolitikerNEU> is there a way to install ubuntu from within another linux distribution (but unlike wubi, do a "real" installation)?
[21:20] <ripps> I can't even kill tracker-indexer. After I kill it, it just comes pack a minute later, I starts low at 5% cpu, but after about 10 minutes it starts spiking to 100% again.
[21:20] <rom1v> Cycom, no, but that's strange to install ia32libs, while I think flash has been released in 64bits
[21:22] <Cycom> rom1v: at this time, flash under ubuntu 64 bit still uses the 32bit plugin wrapper.
[21:22] <rom1v> :(
[21:23] <Cycom> rom1v: it's not the big of a deal.  it still works fine.  do you really need your flash videos to access more than 4gb of memory?
[21:25] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know about 'open-vm-toolbox' package on jaunty?
[21:30] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know about 'open-vm-toolbox' package on jaunty?
[21:32] <rconan> anyone else had hundreds of file browser windows starting up at logon time?
[21:32] <rconan> it's still happening!
[21:32] <rconan> argh!
[21:34] <RizR> how to configure/disable notifications in jaunty?
[21:34] <RizR> those new funky notifications i mean :-)
[21:35] <rconan> managed to stop it by killing nautilus
[21:35] <rconan> weird
[21:35] <rconan> now nautilus is coredumping
[21:35] <eseven73> after updating, my keyboard is in Arabic! wth?!
[21:35] <pace_t_zulu> anyone know about 'open-vm-toolbox' package on jaunty?
[21:36] <rconan> which package has nautilus debugging symbols?
[21:36] <bsnider> oh, your keyboard shouldn't be in arabic
[21:36] <rconan> ah... nautilus-dbg obviously
[21:36] <eseven73> bsnider: it was fine till i did some updates just now :(
[21:37] <eseven73> and selecting lanugage isnt in the log on screen isnt helping
[21:38] <bsnider> you might want to look at keyboard properties. but how did the keys get repainted?
[21:38] <eseven73> donno
[21:38] <eseven73> first time ive ever seen something like this
[21:41] <eseven73> how do i reconfigure my keyboard to use English again?
[21:41] <billisnice> If anyone can send in a request to ubuntu folks. I would like the sound to be fixed for the dell mini 9 --UNR USB image. I think you can add a line but many folks will not know how and the interface is one of the best i have seen for a mini puter
[21:41] <rconan> right... I caught it...
[21:41] <rconan> nautilus coredumps at startup if there is a CD in my drive
[21:42] <danbeck> billisnice:  What is hte fix?
[21:43] <aditirex> how can I revert to intrepid ?
[21:43] <billisnice> i can not remember off the top of my head
[21:43] <bsnider> billisnice, what's a dell mini 9?
[21:43] <danbeck> Dell's netbook line.
[21:43] <danbeck> 9" 10" and some other sizes.
[21:44] <billisnice> 9"
[21:44] <billisnice> add one line to a text file
[21:47] <billisnice> this link step 6 http://www.ubuntumini.com/2008/10/installing-ubuntu-on-dell-inspiron-mini.html
[21:47] <billisnice> step 4
[21:48] <billisnice> at the terminal sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[21:48] <billisnice> then add options snd-hda-intel model=dell to the end of the file
[21:49] <billisnice> but, it should be in the file so not to add because dell mini is a cult puter
[21:49] <bsnider> it is? which cult?
[21:49] <billisnice> cult--a following of folks
[21:49] <bsnider> scientology?
[21:49] <billisnice> lol
[21:49] <billisnice> no quite
[21:50] <billisnice> please send to upload to final 9.04 release
[21:50] <billisnice> whomever has the juice to get it in the final release
[22:00] <imme-emosol> My Jaunty does not start anymore , drops me to busybox.
[22:00] <imme-emosol> Can anyone help me with that?
[22:00] <BUGabundo1> imme-emosol: what did you do before?
[22:01] <imme-emosol> I updated.
[22:01] <imme-emosol> It cannot find the drive anymore. :S
[22:01] <BUGabundo1> strane
[22:03] <imme-emosol> beh , wrong key-combo...
[22:03] <ultratek> how come i have to dpkg -i atidriverfilename.run every time i reboot my machine to get back into ubuntu
[22:03] <ultratek> i mean *.deb
[22:04] <ultratek> based off http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide#The_open_source_drivers
[22:06] <imme-emosol> what modules should be loaded to be able to see my hard-drive device ?
[22:07] <imme-emosol> a.k.a. with busybox there is no hard-drive - like thing in /dev/
[22:08] <bruce89> Cycom: any news?
[22:11] <ultratek> bruce, do you know anything about ati and xorg?
[22:21] <rom1v> hi
[22:21] <rom1v> in preferences, qt 4 config :
[22:21] <rom1v> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1238192229.png
[22:21] <rom1v> I chose GTK+
[22:21] <rom1v> but it has no effect on digikam for example
[22:21] <rom1v> http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1238192377.png
[22:21] <rom1v> is it normal?
[22:22] <bruce89> KDE programs for some reason use a different theming thing
[22:23]  * aurel42 upgrade another box to jaunty. Let's see whether the same stuff is broken or whether it's different stuff this time.
[22:23] <rom1v> but some people seem to make it work : http://nwarrenfl.open-web.fr/2009/03/25/programmes-kde-4-dans-gnome/
[22:25] <aurel42> Anyone here using ssh-agent for extended amounts of time without the ssh-agent process dying? ("<defunct>")
[22:26] <bruce89> rom1v: kwriteconfig --file kdeglobals --group General --key widgetStyle gtk
[22:26] <rom1v> yes, it works, but fonts are still big
[22:27] <rom1v> compared to gnome fonts
[22:27] <rom1v> and the dialog box should set this value
[22:28] <bruce89> I'm afraid I don't know, perhaps #kubuntu+1 or #kubuntu may know
[22:35] <rom1v> how to revert this command?
[22:35] <rom1v> kwriteconfig --file kdeglobals --group General --key widgetStyle gtk
[22:40] <crdlb> rom1v: apparently widgetstyle is just the theme name
[22:40] <crdlb> so just replace gtk with whatever you want
[22:40] <rom1v> the previous selected...?
[22:40] <crdlb> ?
[22:43] <nellmathew> hey guys, when using the minimal iso of jaunty - the latest release gets installed right? (beta, not one of the alphas).. right?
[22:44] <bruce89> nellmathew: assuming its a beta CD
[22:44] <uniscript> and assuming the mirror you pull from is beta
[22:45] <uniscript> but of course a simple update will bring your alpha up to beta
[22:45] <uniscript> so it doesn't really matter that much
[22:45] <nellmathew> ah alright then, no worries.. seems pretty responsive compared to previous versions so far..
[22:46] <uniscript> for me gnome still takes forever to start
[22:47] <uniscript> boot times are becoming snappier but gnome is now becoming painful
[22:48] <jdahl> I have not been able to configure a wireless network in KDE 4.2, which works perfectly under gnome... how are you supposed to setup wireless on Kubuntu 9.04?
[22:49] <nellmathew> yeah definitely noticed the boot difference. i made 2 partitions; 1 with ext3 jaunty and 1 with ext4 jaunty.. figured i'd help with dev a bit by posting up bug reports - i'm switching over to linux for everything.. traded in my iphone for a g1 after i learned android is *nix based lol.
[22:50] <nellmathew> open-source is gonna put me out of work one day (programmer) but w/e
[22:52] <ppe> hi, ich habe jaunty beta installiert und da ist ja diese separate-benachrichtigungsfeld für mit dem mail-symbol. hab das gerade deinstalliert und pidgin zeigt sich mich nach dem neustart nicht mehr in der benachrichtigungsleiste an. was kann ich da tun?
[22:53] <PhotoJim> ppe: nicht sprechen sie Deutsch :(
[22:54] <rww> !de | ppe
[22:54] <ppe> ok, sorry..
[22:55] <vistakiller> jaunty is great until now
[22:55] <PhotoJim> ppe: no problem!
[22:55] <vistakiller> everything works fine
[22:55] <vistakiller> the only problem i have is that compiz crash very often
[22:55] <ppe> I've got a problem with the new notifying applett, which is in the standard-installation. I've deinstalled it and now I don't have any pidgin icon in the panel.
[22:56] <ppe> I hope you understand me. :-)
[22:56] <Veinor> man, I really hope that notify-osd fixes this dual monitor bug soon
[22:56] <PhotoJim> ppe: yes.  unfortunately, I don't know the answer.  but hopefully someone else here does.
[22:56] <Veinor> whoa, what's this in the topic about python
[22:56] <ppe> ok, it was in the pidgin-options.
[22:56] <ppe> thanks.
[22:58] <yofel> Veinor: bug 349467 got fixed ;)
[22:59] <Veinor> that's a pretty big bug
[23:01]  * lupine_85 is impressed by jaunty, will update desktop too
[23:02] <Roey> heh.
[23:02] <Roey> I need to move /boot to /
[23:02] <Roey> bbl.
[23:05] <lupine_85> 1345 upgraded, 145 newly installed, 26 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[23:05] <lupine_85> Need to get 1315MB of archives.
[23:06] <hggdh> good. I hope you have a nice connection speed...
[23:07] <nellmathew> hmm, in a clean install anyone notice nm-applet isn't visible in gnome? (i'm connected though)
[23:08] <crdlb> nellmathew: is there a notification area?
[23:08] <J_Litewski> who has a Dell Inspiron 1000?
[23:09] <nellmathew> crdlb, yeah notification area's there..
[23:09] <J_Litewski> i need the xorg.conf settings
[23:09] <nellmathew> nvm
[23:09] <nellmathew> crdlb, didn't notice the icon changed lol
[23:28] <cobra99> Hi all. I installed 9.04 beta on a fresh system. Once installed i got a bunch of crash reports. A sudo dpkg --configure -a said that it had problems with hpijs package. is this a known bug?
[23:45] <cobra99> forums suggest its python borked, but it also states that version 2.6.1-1ubuntu5.1 is the "good" version, but thats what i have currently installed, checked with synaptic. anyone can give me some pointers on how to analyse this?
[23:52] <bruce89> &pythob
[23:53] <J_Litewski> why would xorg.conf be 0 bytes?
[23:53] <bruce89> J_Litewski: because it's not used any more
[23:53] <J_Litewski> it's run by the kernel now?
[23:53] <QPrime> _Litewski: its used (if it exists) but is generally not needed
[23:53] <_VIM_2> is sounds not working in Xubuntu 9.04?
[23:54] <J_Litewski> _VIM_2: my sound works just fine
[23:54] <_VIM_2> nice to know they work for someone at least
[23:57] <J_Litewski> _VIM_2: I'm also using intergrated sound on my laptop
[23:58] <_VIM_2> well i had it working in Ubuntu 8.10 so i know it's not my sound card
[23:59] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[23:59] <elvirolo> it seems that the latest updates broke my kde4 environment