[19:10] <Malin> I updated my unity-lens with correct path to icons in the daemon-file. After my search hint disappeard
[19:10] <Malin> how can that happen?
[19:12] <Malin> never mind. After a while, the searchhint appeard


[09:16] <caribou> Hi, is this channel a good place to ask questions about LP's API ?
[09:40] <cjwatson> caribou: sure
[09:40] <caribou> cjwatson: hey good morning
[09:40] <cjwatson> I'm not so sure about that
[09:40] <cjwatson> but go ahead
[09:40] <caribou> I'm trying to build a query to get all bugs that have a specific tag
[09:41] <caribou> if I use searchTasks, it doesn't seem to get some specific tags; is there a method on the bugs collection that would let me do that ?
[09:42] <caribou> looks like the tag I'm querying is attached to the bug,and not a specific task
[09:42] <cjwatson> Tags are always on bugs, not tasks, but you always search for tasks.
[09:43] <cjwatson> Do you have an example?
[09:56] <caribou> sure
[09:57] <caribou> cjwatson: ubuntu being distributions['ubuntu'], tasks = ubuntu.searchTasks(tags='sts', order_by=['id'], created_since='2016-01-01')
[09:57] <caribou> will return many bugs
[09:58] <cjwatson> when you said "it doesn't seem to get some specific tags", is it possible that you meant "it doesn't seem to get some specific tasks"?
[09:58] <caribou> if you look at launchpad.bugs[1640382].tags, sts is there but this bug is not returned by the searchTasks
[09:59] <caribou> and yes, that's what I meant, but if I search on 'sts-sru', it returns nothing even if I know that there are 41 bugs with that tag
[10:01] <caribou> I'm sure that the LP API can make my life much simpler in many cases, I just want to get my head around it correctly
[10:05] <longsleep> Hey folks, does launchpad have trouble with taking updates? I uploaded a package successfully but no email about the status and no entry on the web page of the ppa
[10:06] <cjwatson> caribou: It's related to the fact that the non-series-linked task there is Invalid; will need to wake up further and see if there's a reasonable way to avoid that
[10:07] <longsleep> ah, never mind no it reacted - seems it took just a bit longer than normal
[10:07] <cjwatson> caribou: though one easy workaround if you only care about specific series is to start from lp.load('/ubuntu/trusty') instead
[10:07] <cjwatson> longsleep: We're in the middle of a database update at the moment, which entails stopping some things for a bit
[10:08] <caribou> cjwatson: well, I wanted to break them down by series to that might do the trick
[10:08] <caribou> cjwatson: thanks!
[10:08] <longsleep> cjwatson: ah ok - thanks - seems to work fine again now
[10:08] <cjwatson> caribou: Right, maybe that's sufficient then.
[12:19] <caribou> cjwatson: btw, I haven't been able to get my query working. It fails even with bugs which are not Invalid
[13:24]  * smoser is happy launchpad is now linking bugs based on LP: # in git commit messages!
[13:25] <smoser> thanks! ie https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/310432 magically linked
[13:30] <cjwatson> caribou: Huh, I did test that it returned that qemu bug.
[13:30] <cjwatson> smoser: yw
[13:31] <caribou> cjwatson: maybe I didn't use the proper syntax; would you mind pasting your syntax somewhere?
[13:33] <cpaelzer> smoser: yeah while I like the reverse link from the bug more I totally appreciate the feature like on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/1524526
[13:33] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1524526 in dovecot (Ubuntu Xenial) "Crashes with undefined symbol" [High,Fix released]
[13:33] <cpaelzer> lp-team ++
[13:38] <cjwatson> caribou: lp.load('/ubuntu/trusty').searchTasks(tags='sts', order_by=['id'], created_since='2016-01-01')
[13:38] <caribou> cjwatson: thanks!
[13:38] <cjwatson> you can use lp.distributions['ubuntu'].getSeries(name_or_version='trusty') instead if you prefer to step through rather than hardcoding the URL and using lp.load
[13:39] <cjwatson> but I was being lazy
[14:02] <smoser> cpaelzer, yeah, i agree its more useful for the bug to get a reference to the mp, but i kind of assumed that was a given.  i just assumed 'link' was two way.
[14:04] <cjwatson> It is indeed.
[14:56] <caribou> cjwatson: Epilogue - my query will work only if I append version='devel' to the login statement
[15:02] <cjwatson> caribou: Ah, of course.
[15:02] <cjwatson> caribou: You basically always want to use devel anyway.
[15:03] <caribou> cjwatson: yeah, just found out by reading the launchpad help example :-/
[15:03] <caribou> cjwatson: anyway, thanks again for your help
[21:21] <jderose> Hello! There's a ~system76 user on Launchpad that has zero activity. This account was created by someone outside the company in 2009. Would it be possible to have this account transfered to System76 ownership?
[21:44] <cjwatson> jderose: If we did it it would more be a matter of renaming that account in order that you could claim the name, and we'd want some kind of traceability.  Could you please open a ticket at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion ?
[21:45] <jderose> cjwatson: can do, thank you!
[21:59] <jderose> cjwatson: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/403931 Thanks again!


[06:19]  * Kilos waves
[06:59] <Kilos> toods chanserv
[07:54] <Kilos> superfly, must that script drop into ibid.plugins.txt or ibid.plugins.html
[07:54] <Kilos> morning
[07:55] <superfly> Morning Kilos
[07:56] <superfly> Kilos: you need to find a directory called ibid, and then another directory inside it called plugins, and then you drop it in there as greeter.py
[07:56] <superfly> if it's not a .py file, ibid will not pick it up.
[07:57] <superfly> Then you need to run ibid, and tell it, "load greeter"
[07:59]  * Kilos looks
[08:00] <superfly> Kilos: where is your ibid.ini?
[08:00] <Kilos> in home superfly
[08:00] <Kilos> with ibid.db
[08:02] <superfly> right, then make a directory called "ibid" in there.
[08:02] <Kilos> done
[08:04] <Kilos> and one called ibid.plugin in that one?
[08:05] <superfly> No, one called "plugins"
[08:05] <Kilos> ah ty
[08:05] <Kilos> and drop the script into it?
[08:06] <superfly> And then put your greeter.py in there
[08:06] <Kilos> ok so lemme just make sure
[08:07] <Kilos> in the folder ibid i put the one called plugins, and drop the script into plugins
[08:07] <superfly> Yes
[08:07] <Kilos> what about the files ibid.ini and ibid.db
[08:08] <superfly> What about them?
[08:08] <Kilos> must they stay as is or also go into ibid folder?
[08:09] <superfly> I don't recall talking about them, only you mentioned them.
[08:11] <Kilos> lol. i just wondered if they should also go in the ibid folder
[08:11] <Kilos> ty very much
[08:11] <Kilos> apartheid is dead you know
[08:14] <superfly> bwahahaha
[08:14] <Kilos> hi amanica
[08:20] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed , i see debdelta is in the repos. must it be configured or just installed and everything is auto from there
[08:28] <tumbleweed> Kilos: it's been in the repositories for a long time, but nobody is providing a debdelta server, that I know of
[08:29] <Kilos> aw.
[08:30] <Kilos> we need to speak to Symmetria
[08:34] <Kilos> Symmetria, ping
[08:37] <Kilos> hmm
[09:46] <Kilos> hi Cantide
[09:46] <Cantide> hello '-'
[10:03] <Kilos> hi Kerbero
[10:03] <Kerbero> dag
[10:06] <Squirm> hello
[10:28] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:29] <Kilos> ChanServ, wb
[10:30] <Cantide> :D
[10:45] <magespawn> howdy all
[10:45] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[10:45] <sakhi> afternoon
[10:46] <magespawn> how everyone's sunday?
[10:46] <Cantide> hi magespawn :)
[10:46] <Kilos> cool
[10:46] <Cantide> awesome so far :) :) :)
[10:46] <Cantide> and yours?
[10:46] <Kilos> max 16°c today
[10:46] <sakhi> max 32 in cpt
[10:47] <Kilos> aw swop sakhi
[10:47] <sakhi>  *2
[10:47] <magespawn> was raining a bit here, had break so took the family down to the river, so pretty awesome too
[10:47] <sakhi> I think its going to rain tomorrow though.
[10:48] <magespawn> let me check the weather here brb
[10:49] <Kilos> hehe
[10:50] <Kerbero> 33 in stellenbosch
[10:50] <Kerbero> lekker temperatuur
[10:50] <Kilos> lovely
[10:51] <Kerbero> http://weather.sun.ac.za/?p=webcam
[10:51] <magespawn> http://www.iweathar.co.za/display.php?s_id=79
[10:51] <Kilos> lol
[10:52] <Cantide> nice and cool in Durbs for a change :p
[10:52] <Cantide> i even got covered head to toe in mud :)
[10:52] <Kilos> haha
[10:53] <Cantide> hill2hill
[10:53] <magespawn> good for the skin
[10:53] <Cantide> was fun :)
[10:53] <Cantide> yeah, haha
[10:57] <magespawn> typical geeks, can't just talk about the weather, have to put up links.
[10:57] <Kilos> rofl
[12:20] <superfly> feels in the 30s here in the deep south too
[12:59] <smile> :)
[15:08] <Kilos> hi not_found
[15:09] <not_found> hi uncle Kilos
[15:29] <Kilos> Squirm, you here?
[15:48] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[15:48] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[16:00] <Kilos> what does one use to start kubuntu from the terminal
[16:00] <Kilos> sudo gdm start on gnome
[16:00] <Kilos> old gnome
[16:01] <Kilos> ians kubuntu 11.10 wont get past entering password
[17:05] <Trixar_za> You hear what GNOME is planning?
[17:05] <Trixar_za> To create their own OS named GNOME OS
[17:05] <Trixar_za> To fix issues they have with their API
[17:05] <Trixar_za> Somehow their logic is questionable...
[18:01] <superfly> hehehe
[18:03] <superfly> gnome needs to rewrite gtk in C++ and then rewrite all their apparently in C++ to match in order to fix issues in their API - C was never meant to have objects
[18:11] <nuvolari> I loved gnome... but I don't know what on earth they are doing at the moment. Keeping distance for a while :P
[18:11] <Cantide> i like the gnome stack
[18:11] <Cantide> that's about it
[18:13] <Kilos> sighs
[18:19] <Kilos> greeter works kiff superfly ty
[18:20] <Kilos> naand nuvolari
[18:22] <superfly> if you ever have to look at the code required to do GTK apps, you'll want to run and hide. it is hideously awfully painfully disgusting. it offends the developer in me.
[18:22] <superfly> by contrast, working with Qt's flavour of C++ is like living the dream
[18:25] <Squirm> Kilos: I am now
[18:26] <Kilos> lol i just wanted to check if there was anything else to add in to sudo passwd
[18:27] <Squirm> 'spose you figured it out?
[18:28] <Kilos> nope the password didnt change
[18:28] <Kilos> its kubuntu by ian
[18:28] <Kilos> wouldnt get past password
[18:28] <Squirm> sudo passwd would change root's password, sudo passwd <username> would change username's password and passwd would change your user's password
[18:29] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[18:30] <Squirm> if you're unsure
[18:30] <Squirm> sudo passwd <username>
[18:31] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[18:31] <Kilos> hi Banlam
[18:31] <Banlam> heya Kilos
[18:31] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos  :)
[18:31] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed vanaand oom?
[18:32] <Kilos> ja dankie en daar
[18:32] <Squirm> bed time for me
[18:32] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom :>
[18:32] <Kilos> sleep tight Squirm
[18:32] <nuvolari> night Squirm
[18:32] <Squirm> I should consider twice when I go out on a Sunday evening
[18:34] <Kilos> still wanna try ibid on jabber
[18:38] <superfly> Kilos: a login screen is a login screen. if he can log into gnome he should be able to log into kde
[18:38] <Kilos> he has kubuntu
[18:39] <Kilos> but it keeps wanting password and wont go past that
[18:39] <Kilos> starts the gui then stops i think he said
[18:39] <superfly> Kilos: kubuntu or Ubuntu with the kubuntu-desktop package installed?
[18:40] <Kilos> kubuntu 11.10 from a cd
[18:40] <superfly> Kilos: I need more info than that
[18:40] <Kilos> he hasnt updated yet no connection
[18:40] <Kilos> he is running it alongside xp
[18:41] <superfly> what do you mean "stops"
[18:41] <Kilos> im trying to find out now
[18:41] <Kilos> i also asked him if it goes back to prompt but he never answered
[18:43] <superfly> Kilos: how long is a piece of string?
[18:43] <Kilos>  Iany: it starts to load, going into the loading page before the desktop, then gets half way, I see that by the icons that appear and kicks back to user name password page
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: he can try dropping down to the command line and reinstalling the kubuntu-desktop package
[18:45] <Kilos> it says package not found
[18:47] <superfly> it does, kubuntu doesn't exist without it
[18:48] <superfly> spell it right
[18:48] <Kilos> or latest one installed i think
[18:48] <Kilos> he is trying again
[18:48] <Kilos> we tried lots of things
[18:48] <superfly> and "reinstall" not install
[18:49] <Kilos> he hasnt installed aptitude  so it apt-get install kubuntu-desktop --reinstall hey
[18:50] <superfly> uh, maybe. I'm not at my over right now
[18:50] <superfly> PC not over
[18:50] <superfly> stupid autocorrect
[18:50] <Kilos> it is already the newest version
[18:51] <Kilos> im sure it is reinstall after package
[18:51] <Kilos> --reinstall
[18:52] <Kilos>  not possible, it cannot be downloaded
[18:52] <superfly> it comes on the cd
[18:53] <Kilos> and then how we do it
[18:53] <Kilos> is there a gdebi goody in kubuntu
[18:53] <superfly> and you can reinstall it, I just did it the other day when I had those problems, remember?
[18:54] <Kilos> the reinstall command wants to go online superfly
[18:54] <Kilos> not net at home there
[18:54] <superfly> put the cd in
[18:54] <Kilos> yes
[18:55] <superfly> make sure you have the CD in your sources.list file (it's usually the firs line)
[18:56] <Kilos> how will he see that if he cant boot
[18:57] <superfly> he *can* boot, he just can't log into kde. there's an option on the login screen to log in on the console
[18:58] <Kilos> ah ok ill tell him
[18:58] <superfly> this is not windows!
[18:59] <Kilos> its his work server he is trying to add kubuntu to to check if he can get the dvr cards working
[19:00] <magespawn> evening all
[19:00] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[19:01] <Kilos> go see QP
[19:01] <superfly> hi magespawn
[19:01] <magespawn> hey superfly, Kilos
[19:02] <magespawn> Kilos your channel is in my core, so i never leave with out disconnecting
[19:02] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:03] <Kilos> you mean you dont disconnect
[19:03] <Kilos> just go away
[19:03] <Kilos> grayed out
[19:03] <magespawn> yup
[19:03] <magespawn> brb
[19:04] <Kilos> well sometime go there as koos or something
[19:06] <Kilos> any: log in screen is the page where you put username password correct?
[19:06] <Kilos> (21:05:45) Miley: ya
[19:07] <Kilos> if yes there is an arrow pointing down
[19:07] <Kilos> default
[19:07] <Kilos> kde plasma work place
[19:08] <Kilos> fail safe previous
[19:09] <Kilos> eish
[19:09] <Kilos> can't find my 11CD I put it somewhere today
[19:09] <Kilos> never mind superfly sorry for the hassles
[19:10] <superfly> Kilos: there is more than one menu... there's another one that says to do a console login
[19:10] <Kilos> maybe they hidden superfly
[19:10] <Kilos> need to do the 10 second bit
[19:20] <Kilos> superfly, Iany: yes and I'm in the console prompt
[19:23] <Kilos>  Iany: right I've logged in
[19:23] <magespawn> back
[19:24] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[19:26] <superfly> Kilos: he needs to edit his /etc/apt/sources.list file (he can use nano) and make sure it contains a line at the top for the CD
[19:27] <Kilos> whew
[19:27] <Kilos> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:27] <Kilos> is that right
[19:31] <Kilos> he remembers min. he only got 20% of his lungs left so brain runs on min oxygen
[19:34] <Kilos> he says the top line is for cdrom superfly
[19:54] <superfly> Kilos: eish, does he have one of those asthma pumps? I think you can get them over the counter
[19:54] <superfly> Kilos: he can put a # in front of the http lines, and then apt-get update with the CD in and it'll index the CD
[19:54] <Kilos> he is on meds now but the doc says it will take 2 years to heal
[19:54] <superfly> eish, OK
[19:55] <Kilos> some bird virus that destroyed his lungs
[19:56] <Kilos> been there for years
[19:56] <Kilos> but he left it till he could hardly breathe before going to doc
[19:56] <Kilos> breathes in little puffs
[20:00] <Kilos> ok he is doing that
[20:00] <Kilos> Iany: there are hundreds of these http lines, on how many must I do it?
[20:00] <Kilos> hehe
[20:01] <Kilos> and can I do it from 12.04 CD? using 11.10 installation
[20:01] <Kilos> eish
[20:01] <Kilos> 11.10 cd is at work
[20:01] <Kilos> i give up
[20:04] <magespawn> hectic stuff
[20:04] <magespawn> bit hard to conjure the right cd up
[20:04] <Kilos> ya he sukkels to remember what to put where
[20:05] <Kilos> its the work server so he thought he would take it home and try the dvr cards while he has time
[20:05] <Kilos> days too hectic
[20:07] <magespawn> i forget things all the time and i think i healthy
[20:07] <magespawn> so it is understandable
[20:07] <Kilos> hehe
[20:07] <Kilos> now his shift key dont work
[20:07] <Kilos> grrr
[20:07] <magespawn> write things down make a list and still get distracted
[20:08] <Kilos> yeah he loses where he wrote things down to do
[20:09] <Kilos> how you make a hash without the shift keys working
[20:09] <Kilos> that pc be sick methinks
[20:09] <magespawn> i am off to bed night all good luck Kilos
[20:10] <Kilos> ty magespawn sleep tight
[20:14] <Kilos> changed keyboard
[20:21] <Kilos> hes falling asleep too. he says ty superfly . will do it at work if he gets time
[20:21] <Kilos> . sleep tight all


[04:04] <Morph3us> hi.. somebody has an Asus Eeepc?
[04:10] <virtualroadside> any thoughts on how one might automatically or otherwise download cd covers compatible with moblin-media?
[04:11] <Morph3us> this project has made any release?
[04:12] <virtualroadside> AFAIK, still alpha/beta
[04:13] <Morph3us> virtualroadside, what means AFAIK ?
[04:13] <virtualroadside> as far as i know
[04:15] <Morph3us> thanks virtualroadside.. this projects is the same that ubuntu remix?
[04:15] <virtualroadside> im not sure what you mean
[04:17] <Morph3us> virtualroadside, recently was announced the release of Ubuntu Netbook Remix..
[04:19] <persia> This isn't the same project, although some of the people involved in the Netbook Remix also idle here.
[04:19] <virtualroadside> ooh.. the netbook remix looks interesting
[04:21] <Morph3us> persia, what is the main difference between both projects ?
[04:21] <persia> Morph3us: Ubuntu Mobile is a project to build a flavour of Ubuntu optimised for mobile devices.
[04:22] <Morph3us> persia, and UME is... ?
[04:22] <persia> Netbook Remix is a remix of Ubuntu that showcases various technologies for demonstration on a certain class of machines.
[04:22] <Morph3us> persia, all right..
[04:22] <Morph3us> persia, so if i have a Asus EeePC i should choose wich of them ?
[04:23] <persia> Morph3us: Depends on the definition of UME.  Ubuntu Mobile and Embedded is a more general project to handle both the mobile device model and the dedicated device model (although efforts to date have not focused on the Embedded part)
[04:24] <persia> Morph3us: I can't tell you what to install :)  Personally, I run Ubuntu Mobile on by SR8.
[04:24] <persia> s/by/my/
[04:25] <virtualroadside> Morph3us: i use UME in my carputer
[04:25] <virtualroadside> ie.. computer in my car
[04:25] <virtualroadside> works quite well for touchscreen apps
[04:28] <Morph3us> all right.. ubuntu for everyone..
[04:28] <Morph3us> persia, there are another project for ubuntu in cellphones? or is this project UME?
[04:29] <persia> Morph3us: There are two separate projects within Ubuntu with the acronym "UME".
[04:30] <persia> As for installation on cellphones, it's likely a matter of the definition of "cellphone".  If you've a computer that happens to have phone functionality, Ubuntu Mobile could work on it (although there is no dialer application by default).
[04:31] <persia> If you've a telephone that has some computing functionality, it's likely that it won't have sufficient processing /memory / storage for Ubuntu Mobile.
[04:32] <Morph3us> persia, thanks for the info..
[04:32] <Morph3us> i love ubuntu, but the customizations for the eeepc are bad, heavy and slow
[04:33] <Morph3us> i dream with an ubuntu from scratch.. with the possibility of customization for everyone..
[04:33] <Morph3us> i was thinkin about install ubuntu JeOS in my eeepc
[04:39] <persia> Morph3us: I'd probably recommend Ubuntu Mobile over JeOS.  JeOS is really designed for a virtualised applicance case, and so often doesn't include any UI.
[04:40] <Morph3us> persia, where can i download ubuntu mobile ?
[04:41] <persia> Morph3us: There are some test install images available from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/moblin/releases/hardy/rc2/  Note that these will format your device harddrive by default.  I've not heard any reports about whether they work on the Eee.
[04:42] <Morph3us> persia, can i try it on virtualbox ?
[04:43] <persia> Morph3us: I'm not sure.  You might be able to do so.  For KVM, see the testing page in the /topic.
[04:43] <virtualroadside> Morph3us: what I did, was installed a normal ubuntu system, installed the ubuntu-mobile package, and configured GDM to allow me to login to the UME
[04:43] <virtualroadside> however, the bug people really dont like that :p
[04:44] <persia> If you're going that route, you'd do best to use the Ubuntu alternate installer, and only install ubuntu-minimal, rather than the entire Ubuntu Desktop.
[04:44] <Morph3us> bug people? virtualroadside there is some tutorial about how you do it? (sorry for my bad english)
[04:44] <virtualroadside> true true
[04:44] <virtualroadside> no tutorial yet
[04:44] <persia> There's a lot of differences between Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Mobile, and some packages behave differently in the two situations.
[04:45] <persia> Morph3us: The only tutorial I've seen is for building KVM images.
[04:45] <virtualroadside> *shrugs*
[04:45] <Morph3us> persia, do u know why ubuntu hardy is so inestable?
[04:45] <virtualroadside> it works for me
[04:45] <virtualroadside> it may work for you
[04:45] <virtualroadside> may not
[04:45] <persia> Morph3us: No.
[04:45] <virtualroadside> bug people == maintainers who look at stuff on launchpad
[04:46] <Morph3us> persia, there is a package named ubuntu-minimal ?
[04:46] <persia> Morph3us: There is.
[04:47] <Morph3us> persia, i don't knew that..
[04:48] <Morph3us> persia, can i install ubuntu server and after that ubuntu-minimal? should be lighter and faster that ubuntu-desktop
[04:48] <virtualroadside> persia: at some point im going to go back and do a minimal install, but i originally didn't know about UME when i installed the alpha hardy stuff, so its all there in one big mess. i've also created patches to fix various things, and im still waiting for some of them to trickle down to ubuntu from upstream
[04:48] <persia> Call for install testers: McCaslin RC3 images available from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/moblin/releases/hardy/rc3/ Menlow images expected soon
[04:48] <persia> Morph3us: Ubuntu Server is a superset of ubuntu-minimal
[04:48] <virtualroadside> ie.. its a mess atm :p
[04:49] <persia> virtualroadside: Understood.  If you've patches, you might try getting them into Ubuntu directly.
[04:49] <virtualroadside> yeah, zero luck there, its been easier to get them into upstream so far
[04:49] <Morph3us> persia, i am a little confused.. there is any official documentation about this ?
[04:50] <virtualroadside> and quite a few of the UME related packages lag far behind upstream for various reasons
[04:50] <persia> Morph3us: Lots, but scattered.  Try looking on the wiki for seeds, and investigating the ubuntu-meta source package.
[04:50] <persia> virtualroadside: Ah.  We'll have to change that.  Poke me next time you have a patch, and I'll try to help you with the sepentine processes involved in getting it applied.
[04:51] <persia> Regarding upstream delays: Ubuntu Mobile is currently frozen, for the Hardy release.  Once Hardy is released, intrepid should become trunk, and things catch up (although that may mean a rough ride for a prior install)
[04:53] <virtualroadside> yeah, i slowly became more aware of that... since i started messing with this stuff in late feb.
[04:54] <Morph3us> persia, virtualroadside thanks for the info.. i must go now..
[04:57] <virtualroadside> persia: i'll be sure to poke you in the future. atm im trying to fix my mess so I can install the carputer back in my car for my 16 hour drive on thursday :)
[05:00] <persia> virtualroadside: Good luck.  I won't be able to do much until after release anyway.  Have a good drive.
[05:01] <virtualroadside> any thoughts on when release will be?
[05:03] <persia> Real Soon Now!  More seriously, the more people who can test RC3 and verify it works, the higher the chance that RC3 will be the final RC.
[13:20] <lool> suihkulokki: I wonder if by chance you had any success fixing the license of sdk-default-icons?
[14:43] <suihkulokki> lool: someone has been assigned for that
[14:44] <lool> suihkulokki: Good news, thanks
[14:44] <lool> suihkulokki: If there's a public bug, I'd love to subscribe to it
[14:45] <suihkulokki> no public bug I'm aware of.. I don't know if they'll manage to release the new sdk-default-icons before diablo release
[14:46] <lool> Ok
[21:08] <pwnguin> is this the same as the netbook stuff?
[21:13] <probono> no, this is a "sister project"
[21:14] <pwnguin> how confusing =(
[21:17] <pwnguin> so are they different mainly because they target different platforms, or is this some attempt to firewall canonical from ubuntu?
[21:22] <probono> i am not sure. i just asked the same question here a couple of days ago.
[21:23] <probono> i think ubuntu-mobile is for even smaller devices than the ubuntu netbook remix.
[21:23] <probono> but not really sure
[21:27] <mario_limonciell> Hi, I was wondering what would cause certain packages to just not be built for lpia in universe? particularly i was looking at : https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crash/4.0-4.13-1ubuntu1 .  I didn't see any indications that should stop it from at least trying in debian/control, but didn't see any test builds show up
[21:30] <ogra> Architecture: i386 ia64 alpha powerpc amd64
[21:31] <ogra> mario_limonciell, i thik its pretty clear about the arches it wants to build on
[21:31] <mario_limonciell> doh.  I was greping for "lpia" to look for a not lpia :)
[21:31] <ogra> either make it 'any' so it builds everywhere or add 'lpia'
[21:31] <mario_limonciell> i wonder if there is a particular reason it wasn't done on lpia though
[21:32] <ogra> its not listed
[21:32] <ogra> if arch isnt any or all it will only work down the list
[21:32] <mario_limonciell> is setting up an lpia pbuilder/sbuild just the same as how you would set up an i386 one on amd64?
[21:32] <ogra> yep
[21:33] <mario_limonciell> okay, i'll set up an lpia sbuild then and give it a run though that.  if it ends up working out fine, i'll upload a fix to intrepid
[21:33] <mario_limonciell> thanks
[21:33] <ogra> (at least fr chroots thats true, havent used pbuilder/sbuild in that context yet)
[21:35] <lool> mario_limonciell: thanks for fixing
[21:35] <lool> I've used lpia pbuilders; work fine, but only in tgz mode; cowbuilder doesn't work on amd64 just like i386
[21:35] <lool> I'd guess lpia works in cowbuilder under i386, didn't try though
[21:36] <mario_limonciell> lool, argh, unfortunately setting up sbuild w/ mk-sbuild-lv --arch lpia didn't work
[21:36] <mario_limonciell> so i'll needs fsck around a bit to find a box to put pbuilder on then
[21:40] <ogra> just do it in a chroot :)
[21:40] <mario_limonciell> yeah i might have to, which should be fine just for the purposes of checking if it builds
[21:57] <mario_limonciell> okay well i was able to build it on PPAs quicker than my chroot built :)  it does work so i'll upload it to intrepid.   (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~superm1/+archive/+build/634379)
[21:57] <ogra> sweet
[23:38] <slim1_> when i try to build image i got this error ,  http://phpfi.com/323730


[17:25] <amitk> apw: hiya!
[17:28] <amitk> apw: what is latest kernel with distro configs? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git/ or http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/kernel-ppa/mirror/ubuntu-xenial.git/ ?
[17:56] <rtg> amitk, the former is the repo we work from. the mirror is updated approx once per hour
[17:56] <rtg> amitk, actually, tht isn't correct. lemme get you the URL
[17:57] <rtg> git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial


[02:32] <Omnifrog> people still use facebook?
[02:34] <Unit193> I don't, my sister doesn't.  Who else cares?  (OK, so the rest of my family does, but still... :P )
[02:57] <Omnifrog> heh
[02:57] <Omnifrog> I killed my account years ago
[02:58] <Unit193> I never killed it, just ignored it (I still get emails...) back Oct '10.
[02:58] <Omnifrog> why?
[02:59] <Omnifrog> technically I deactivated it, not deleted it
[03:00] <Omnifrog> but I didn't know the difference at the time
[03:00] <Omnifrog> which is another reason why it needed to go
[03:01] <Omnifrog> that's the thing that pissed me off about facebook. they obfuscate every privacy and security setting that exists
[03:02] <Omnifrog> such a service is a danger to anyone who uses it
[04:15] <cyberanger> minasota: ?
[14:50] <[Ubik]> craziness
[14:50] <[Ubik]> I did talk to him last night on ham radio, told him you all were looking for him, so I guess he'll make it here when he can.
[14:51] <[Ubik]> But he's definitely alive and well.
[22:20] <minasota> ok, just checking


[00:07] <mapps> again pi taking ages
[00:07] <mapps> installing mysql on ..stopping mysqld' just hanging
[00:07] <daftykins> best get a Pi v2.0
[00:07] <mapps> can access the web server but it's also taking ages http://parrots.zapto.org
[00:07] <mapps> cant ssh in
[00:08] <mapps> yea but the other pi i have is fine?
[00:08] <mapps> cant find any suggestions
[00:08] <mapps> argh
[00:16] <daftykins> mem usage and logs
[05:04] <mapp> hi all
[05:05] <daftykins> mornin'
[05:05] <mapp> had a guy tell me tonight apple is now windows
[05:05] <mapp> as they use intel cpus
[05:05] <mapp> and its all microsoft
[05:05] <mapp> ...moron
[05:13] <daftykins> lmao
[05:13] <daftykins> plus that was like, 8 years ago?
[05:14] <mapp> ja
[05:29] <mapp> why do i have to work
[05:29] <mapp> isnt fair
[05:32] <daftykins> lol
[05:33] <daftykins> that's a bit of a 12 year old comment sir ;D
[05:37] <mapp> ;]
[05:44] <mapp> a girl wants to go out for a drink with me back in UK..but im not there anymore..and she has  2 kids ..should i avoid?
[05:46] <daftykins> hell to the yes
[05:46] <daftykins> probably another money borrower eh
[05:47] <mapp> i would expect so
[05:47] <mapp> and not even that
[05:47] <mapp> even if i liked her..do i want 2 kids that aint mine?
[05:47] <mapp> and her ex boyfriend around all the time?
[05:47] <mapp> i say..no!
[05:47] <mapp> but people say im rude and snobby?
[05:47] <daftykins> lmao
[05:47] <mapp> I'd be embarassed to go to anywhere with my family and say this is my partner with her 2 kids from 2 men
[05:48] <daftykins> i would not get involved with a situation like that
[05:48] <daftykins> but i'm against kids in general
[05:48] <mapp> yea
[05:48] <mapp> my dad lives in Knightsbridge..so no single mums;p council wont pay that rent..my uncle was in the MET
[05:48] <mapp> all from stable families
[05:48] <mapp> same mum/dad no step kids and that stuff
[05:48] <mapp> it's all very foreign to me
[05:49] <mapp> I grew up in a loving environment ...ideal family (in my opinin) a boy and a girl ..me and my sister and my parents
[05:49] <daftykins> sounds good to me
[05:49] <mapp> everytime i meet a girl with kids they have SO MANY STORIES
[05:50] <mapp> 'my ex beat me'
[05:50] <mapp> 'i was raped'
[05:50] <mapp> etc
[05:50] <mapp> and I'm left just thinking..what to do..do i ignore it and think ok theyre nice and think i can help them
[05:50] <mapp> or the normal..and think they;d bring me a lot of hassle?
[05:50] <mapp> and i think really its the 2nd?
[05:51] <daftykins> deffo
[05:51] <daftykins> i'm sure there are some hard done by, but there are plenty of fish in the sea
[05:51] <mapp> my dad always says 'you never know what happened the guy might've walked out on them'
[05:51] <mapp> and while thats true
[05:52] <mapp> like..the dad will somehow be in the scene ..they aren;t my kids
[05:52] <mapp> and these people are always known to the police and social services (something i'd rather not be)
[05:54] <daftykins> i don't even think i can be bothered to learn someone news story if they don't even have kids :)
[05:54] <daftykins> sadly got given the heave-ho by a childhood sweetheart of 15 years recently
[05:55] <mapp> what do you mean learn someone news story?
[05:55] <daftykins> as in meeting someone new
[05:56] <daftykins> not sure i cba with that a lot of the time :D
[05:56] <mapp> aha
[06:03] <daftykins> mapp: check out my nasty shingles ;D
[06:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qyenw4qtihkmlk9/shingles6.jpg?dl=0
[06:03] <daftykins> nearly cleared up now 0o
[06:10] <daftykins> mornin'
[06:18] <mapp> morning
[06:18] <mapp> will do in sec daftykins
[06:19] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:19] <daftykins> o/
[06:20] <mapp> morning Knightmare
[06:20] <mapp> knightwise
[06:20] <mapp> :)
[06:21] <knightwise> how are you guys doing today :)
[06:21] <mapp> not bad..sleep for me in an hr or so:D
[06:22] <mapp> 726am for me
[06:22] <mapp> in euro time:)
[06:24] <daftykins> not bad ty sir
[06:33] <knightwise>  same here
[06:33] <knightwise> mapp: Where you at?
[06:41] <mapp> I'm in Gibraltar mate
[07:11] <knightwise> Belgium :)
[07:11] <knightwise> There , episode with fossdem interviews all done and uploaded
[07:11] <knightwise> next up  : Record a new HPR episode
[07:12] <mapp> knightwise are you english?
[07:13] <knightwise> Nope :) I'm as Belgian as they come .. why ?
[07:13] <mapp> aha
[07:14] <mapp> just wondered
[07:14] <mapp> well
[07:14] <mapp> ypou're in a -uk chan:P
[07:14] <mapp> so i assumed maybe english heh
[07:14] <mapp> ive been to Belgium many years ago
[07:14] <mapp> also been to Holland..mention as you both speak the dutch:D
[07:14] <knightwise> I have more English/us/uk friends on line then belgian ones. I do an english - speaking podcast , read english books etc
[07:15] <mapp> aha
[07:15] <knightwise> I speak dutch, french, german and english
[07:15] <mapp> nice
[07:15] <mapp> french sucks:D
[08:24] <balor> It's not specifically mentioned in the article, but this is the kind of thing that Ubuntu helps happen in Eastbourne http://bit.ly/1Km9zzz We coudn't do it without open-source.
[08:35] <bashrc> morning
[08:35] <awilkins> Hello
[08:37] <bashrc> on the article, my experience from the last few years is that there isn't necessarily an IT skills shortage, but there is a problem with IT recruitment practices
[08:38] <bashrc> i.e. recruiters having unrealistic expectations, strange HR pre-screening, etc
[08:46] <balor> bashrc, I agree, and more.
[08:46] <balor> bashrc, companies need to understand that a good Java programmer can be a decent .Net programmer if you give them a month (and vice-versa).
[09:46] <knightwise> has any of you ever tried using Mutt with multiple Gmail accounts ?
[09:46] <bashrc> I use mutt, but not with gmail
[09:47] <knightwise> hmm.. its tricky to get multiple accounts working
[10:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Doodle Day! :-D
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> it's a friday, that's good enough for most
[10:03] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, it's also Working Naked Day.
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> yeah, have you looked at your co workers lately? :-)
[10:04] <JamesTait> Not in person since December... but on hangouts, weekly at least. ;)
[10:06] <JamesTait> Seeing those in the southern hemisphere wearing tshirts and strappy tops while my teeth are chattering - not sure that has quite the morale-boosting qualities intended. :-P
[10:25] <Seeker`> JamesTait: yeah, but when they've got their dull overcast winter weather, they'll get to see your dull overcast summer weather! Think how jealous you'll be!
[10:25] <Seeker`> *they'll be!
[10:27]  * JamesTait chuckles at Seeker`
[10:28] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:30] <bashrc> morning
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[10:30] <bashrc> a bit of fun: https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
[10:33] <NET||abuse> mornin all.
[10:33] <NET||abuse> just finished the hardware reconfiguration of the microserver, have the 16TB's of storage ready to configure, thinking of using btrfs, but not sure
[10:33] <NET||abuse> popey: did you flash your n40L 's bios to get higher speeds on the optical bay sata interface?
[10:33] <popey> no
[10:33] <popey> but I know people who have
[10:34] <NET||abuse> yeh, was debating if i need to, but, i have a 1TB wd green as my system disk (it's a bit big but it's what i had :)  )
[10:34] <popey> MORNING! (btw)
[10:34] <NET||abuse> i'm not sure if i need the performance on that disk,
[10:34] <popey> i have sata as my system disk, attached to internal ssd
[10:34] <popey> er, sata
[10:35] <NET||abuse> so reverse that last sentence? You have ssd as system disk? attached to internal sata?
[10:35] <popey> yes
[10:35] <NET||abuse> yeh, well, that interface will be running at a pretty slow ide speed rather than full ahci mode?
[10:35] <NET||abuse> so if you were looking for read performance from the ssd, not sure you're getting any
[10:37] <NET||abuse> but yeh, it's the system disk, so not sure we need any real high performance there.
[10:37] <NET||abuse> i'll leave it
[10:38] <NET||abuse> might lengthen boot time a bit, but how often do you do that.
[10:40] <popey> i try not to boot it too often
[10:45] <diddledan> morning
[10:49] <knightwise> yoyo
[10:56] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31164451
[10:56] <diddledan> gchq was breaking the law. who knew?
[11:04] <diddledan> the guardian has more info: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/feb/06/gchq-mass-internet-surveillance-unlawful-court-nsa
[11:06] <knightwise> oH realy ?
[11:07] <knightwise> its not like the havent been doing it ever since WW1
[11:07] <diddledan> indeed
[11:08] <diddledan> I saw a good youtube video on the history of the nsa a week or so ago. explained that it was set up essentially to retain the powers that were provided during wartime under censorship law
[11:14] <diddledan> my youtube history suggests it's this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh9txt1TGt8
[11:52] <DJones> Heh, poundland buying 99p stores, wonder if they'll get the 1p change
[11:53] <diddledan> DJones, that's worrying - it means that everything in the 99p stores will go up by 1%
[11:54] <DJones> Could well do
[12:31] <moreati> diddledan: they'll add a special offer, buy 99 get 1 free
[13:14] <NET||abuse> ok, i'm thinking of using the native btrfs raid setup for my 4 disk array, but the internet says btrfs raid5 support is experimental
[13:14] <NET||abuse> is there any major reason to use mdadm to raid under btrfs ? and just do a stripe then on top of the mdadm volume?
[13:21] <diddledan> btrfs stripe on-top of an mdadm won't do anything unless you have multiple mdadm volumes
[13:22] <diddledan> mdraid**
[13:22] <diddledan> stripe requires at least two block devices
[13:23] <diddledan> you should either use mdraid OR btrfs-native raid NOT both
[13:25] <NET||abuse> ahh ,well, what i mean is, mdraid 5 on 4 disks, and then btrfs, well if i have raid then why use btrfs?
[13:26] <diddledan> btrfs adds more than just raid
[13:27] <NET||abuse> would you bother with mdraid? Or just use native btrfs-raid setup?
[13:28] <NET||abuse> this i sjust for my home server, so its' partly just an effort to experiment.
[13:28] <NET||abuse> but also if i do a setup, i dont know when i'll be able to take the content offthe array again.
[16:33] <mapp> arghhhh still cant make this pi any quicker
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> attach rockets...
[16:36] <diddledan> mapp, are you sure it can do so?
[16:37] <mapp> ;]
[16:38] <diddledan> you could try liquid nitrogen and extreme overclocking it
[16:39] <diddledan> but as with most processors there is a limit to how fast it can go. I've yet to see a computer with unlimited procesing capability
[16:40] <diddledan> I suppose the question is "why do you want it to go quicker?"
[16:41] <zmoylan-pi> someone got a z80 up to ludicrous speeds using frozen vodka as heat sink
[16:41] <diddledan> err
[16:42] <diddledan> methinks liquid nitrogen would do a better job :-p
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> not as easy to get hands on
[16:42] <diddledan> I'm not sure you're supposed to put your hand in it
[16:44] <shauno> eh, sounds about right to me.  vodka coolant = potato engineering
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> potatos powering it, potatos cooling it
[16:45] <diddledan> shauno, you're irish
[16:45] <shauno> -_-
[16:55] <daftykins> lol
[16:58] <diddledan> so the oo! buntu! phone has been announced
[16:58] <diddledan> http://go.bwlh.at/1ujTarg
[16:59] <daftykins> just wait for the swathes of great unwashed descending upon #ubuntu - only to find that it's off topic in there.
[17:00] <daftykins> and allegedly nobody in #ubuntu-phone replies
[17:00] <daftykins> :D
[17:00] <daftykins> er #ubuntu-touch i mean
[17:00] <diddledan> then they'll end up here
[17:00] <diddledan> speaking broken engrish expecting native-language support :-p
[17:01] <diddledan> ok, willcooke, if you insist
[17:01]  * diddledan does his hobbies
[17:01] <diddledan> in related musing, how about them current affairs, eh?
[17:01] <daftykins> that's ok, they only go for popey ;)
[17:02] <diddledan> lol
[17:02] <daftykins> oh, like how 'bout that $sports_team?
[17:02] <zmoylan-pi> in further news there will be weather
[17:02] <diddledan> yeah, that sports team are awesome. I quite like the sports person
[17:03] <diddledan> lead*
[17:04] <daftykins> so blustery here :(
[17:04] <daftykins> howling winds
[17:04] <diddledan> daftykins, you've got weather?
[17:04] <daftykins> i have!
[17:04] <diddledan> wow
[17:04] <diddledan> nice
[17:04] <daftykins> in spades, sir
[17:04] <diddledan> I like weather
[17:04] <diddledan> weather is fun
[17:05] <diddledan> unless you're outside
[17:05] <shauno> the weather here is entirely average.  it's not cold, it's not warm.  not windy, not still.  somewhere between light grey and dark grey.
[17:05] <daftykins> no truer word was on this day spoken
[17:05] <daftykins> oh hey guys how about this for a technological achievement
[17:06] <daftykins> my home insurance company is 2 doors up from me
[17:06] <shauno> with gaps I hope?
[17:06] <zmoylan-pi> i'm in dublin, we have rain, wind, sun, hail, sleet, fog today and then the weather station blew up
[17:06] <daftykins> amusingly their policy renewal letter goes from town to the centre of the island where the post office HQ is, to come back out to me right beside
[17:06] <shauno> eg, if you burn down, they don't?
[17:06] <daftykins> aaaand i just paid my bill online ;D
[17:06] <daftykins> shauno: mmm, my neighbour would get it, but i think they'd survive yeah
[17:07] <shauno> :)
[17:07] <shauno> I'd probably do it online too.  better record-keeping.  plus I don't need pants online.
[17:08] <diddledan> you mean there's the possibility of IRL interaction?!
[17:08] <diddledan> that's scary
[17:08] <daftykins> i was totally going to go in, but then i saw that i needed to shave and it was already half 4
[17:08] <diddledan> daftykins, shaving takes over an hour?
[17:08] <daftykins> there was more besides :)
[17:08] <diddledan> you must be seriously hairly
[17:08] <diddledan> --l
[17:09] <daftykins> haha nah, i'm very under developed in the facial hair department
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> he's 1/4 hungarian?
[17:09] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, like granville?
[17:09] <daftykins> gr-gr-gr-granville
[17:09] <zmoylan-pi> twas a line in scrubs
[17:09] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granville_%28Open_All_Hours%29
[17:09] <diddledan> :-D
[17:10] <shauno> does any of this make sense to anyone else?
[17:10] <daftykins> i'm kinda smiling and nodding right now
[17:10] <daftykins> gah, 5pm - death of the many retail options that surround me
[17:11] <daftykins> i think i've run out of cereal :P
[17:12] <shauno> well, good news, it's not breakfast time :)
[17:12] <daftykins> bad news, on my schedule it is :(
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> unless you work night shift
[17:14] <diddledan> eh? "islamic state claim us female hostage killed in a coalition air strike in syria"
[17:14] <diddledan> surely they'd rather take the credit themselves, no?
[17:14] <zmoylan-pi> people would want to see gruesome video...
[17:14] <diddledan> like "we killed her, but we're gonna blame you"
[17:14]  * daftykins always does
[17:15] <daftykins> i've always had such a morbid curiosity
[17:15] <diddledan> I avoid them
[17:15] <daftykins> i don't think seeing things on screen is anything like the reality though
[17:15] <shauno> it probably works in their favour to discredit coalition actions
[17:15] <diddledan> I don't mind it in movies but when I know it's actual harm I have issues
[17:16] <diddledan> although, technically I have "issues" anyway
[17:16] <daftykins> really?!
[17:17] <shauno> quelle surprise!
[17:17]  * daftykins gives shauno's translator a spot of percussive maintenance
[17:18] <diddledan> why can I not read french without using a french accent?
[17:18] <zmoylan-pi> there are famous pictures from vietnam with a prisoner been shot or a monk self immolating that are readily available. on the one hand it's someone dying but censorship doesn't seem right either
[17:18] <diddledan> oh, I agree censorship is bad
[17:19] <diddledan> it's up to the individual as to whether they want to see it or not
[17:19] <zmoylan-pi> but do you want a 10yo clicking on a link to that?
[17:19] <shauno> I think there's a huge leap from that, to snuff propoganda
[17:19] <diddledan> or the individual's parents if under age
[17:20] <diddledan> is snuff a real thing then? I always figured it was invented
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> it was the moral crusade of the 80s when vcrs became common
[17:20] <daftykins> does seem a bit weird
[17:20] <diddledan> like "wanna sex me?
 :D
[17:31] <diddledan> teehee
[17:31] <diddledan> I vote we bring-along a rent-a-hamster
[17:32] <zmoylan-pi> look for the table discussing who's the best star trek captain... :-)
[17:32] <diddledan> oh god
[17:33] <diddledan> that's so obviously Jonathan Archer
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> the best klingon captain just to be niche
[17:33] <daftykins> oof
[17:33] <diddledan> and T'Pol the best first officer
[17:33] <zmoylan-pi> only because of the decontamination scences
[17:33] <diddledan> heck yeah
[17:34] <daftykins> i'm still working on TOS with a friend, we're half way into what he calls 'the turd season' atm
[17:34] <diddledan> lol
[17:34] <zmoylan-pi> don't forget star trek animated after that.  voices of original tos crew
[17:34] <diddledan> next gen kinda lost me with the whole Q stuff
[17:35] <diddledan> if not for Q the series woulda been fine
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> i loved q.  q was special. he toyed with humans for his own amusment but did ultimately help us
[17:35] <diddledan> I enjoyed his part but I didn't think it really fitted with the rest of the storyline
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> just tng has dated
[17:35] <shauno> I did like Q.  he was basically the universe's bofh.
[17:35] <zmoylan-pi> the whole we can talk out all our problems picard
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> here deal with a god
[17:36] <diddledan> janeway did away with that by shooting everything
[17:36] <zmoylan-pi> janeway did show the borg not to mess with humans
[17:36] <diddledan> indeed
[17:36] <diddledan> I liked the borg-vs-voyager story
[17:37] <daftykins> Q brought along the seemingly endless court scenes, omw i could've done without those
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> seven was fun.  trying to be human and never quite fitting in
[17:37] <shauno> eh, they weren't as bad as "holodeck episodes"
[17:37] <zmoylan-pi> but that made a lot more sense in the last episode of the tng
[17:37] <daftykins> shauno: how to write a holodeck episode: 1) safety protocols are off 2) go nuts!
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> humans are always been judged by the q.  ie. keeping you on your toes
[17:38] <shauno> I just skipped most of them :/  especially when Voyager went to Mayo ..
[17:38] <diddledan> black-and-white holodeck ftw
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> professor moriarity on the holodeck creating a ship in the bottle was good
[17:39] <diddledan> lol. modern download speeds scare me - I would hate to have MartijnVdS' connection
[17:40] <diddledan> 500ish KByte per second ftw
[17:40]  * daftykins sees diddledan screeching at progress bars
[17:40]  * zmoylan-pi remembers 300baud modems...
[17:40] <daftykins> "what's that sound?" - "just dan downloading again"
[17:40] <diddledan> daftykins, I need to recreate the modem noise
[17:41] <shauno> "everybody look what's going down"
[17:41] <daftykins> shauno: Voyager? Mayo?
[17:41] <shauno> you gave up before that?
[17:41] <daftykins> didn't realise they had a condiment surplus episode
[17:41] <daftykins> i've actually not done a marathon of Voyager
[17:41] <zmoylan-pi> booooooo boooooooop, boooooooooooooooooooo booooop, boooblelelelelelelelele /favourite zx spectrum game...
[17:42] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, that's dialup, too
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> very different sound.
[17:42] <diddledan> lol
[17:42] <zmoylan-pi> dial up is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, eeeeeeeee,eeeeeee, eeeeeeeeeeeeepppppp
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> i often had to listen to the connections to work out why they weren't talking to each other... :-)
[17:43] <daftykins> no that's Celine Dion
[17:43] <diddledan> dear god man
[17:43] <diddledan> that's evil
[17:44] <diddledan> daftykins, zmoylan-pi had to listen to celine dion to work out why they weren't talking to each other?!
[17:44] <daftykins> horrible, horrible job :(
[17:44]  * diddledan puts titanic theme on spotify
[17:44] <shauno> kinda obligatory at this point, http://www.windytan.com/2012/11/the-sound-of-dialup-pictured.html
[17:44] <zmoylan-pi> it was either that or install windows 95 from floppies
[17:45] <shauno> heh, I've done that!  but only once
[17:46] <shauno> (and it's not as bad as it sounds.  it's a lot less disks than you'd expect)
[17:46] <diddledan> shauno, I wonder if that phone number still exists?
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> i did it twice.  and then i made it my lifes mission to learn how to install a cd rom on every computer known to humankind
[17:46] <diddledan> CDROMs running of the soundcard were evil
[17:47] <diddledan> off*
[17:47] <diddledan> luckily I missed those mostly
[17:47] <daftykins> from what i understand this still happens on xDSL right, we just don't hear it since the tech uses inaudible tones typically?
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> running them off weird propietary parallel ports wasn't fun either but if that was the only way to not have to swap floppies...
[17:48] <daftykins> the 25 floppies we had for some early office version were pretty painful
[17:48] <diddledan> and. soundcards pre Plug-n-Play with jumper switches to select IRQs
[17:48] <daftykins> one in the set required you to partially hold the eject button as it read, that was the only way it worked 0o
[17:48]  * daftykins bows to the APIC
[17:49] <diddledan> Asia Pacific Internet Coalition ftw
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> my 486 had extra serial cards, parallel, modem, scanner, network AND soundcard inside it.  when you unscrewed the lid it would pop off. my boss looked inside once when in a hurry and just said 'i'll let zmoylan-pi do it monday'
[17:50] <diddledan> I like how he used your handle :-p
[17:50] <daftykins> XD

[17:50] <daftykins> yeah that would've been an odd interview
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> the trick was to share the dma of the devices that you would never use at the same time.  soundcard and parallel and scanner
[17:50] <shauno> who in their right mind would use an internal modem?!
[17:50] <daftykins> XD
[17:50] <zmoylan-pi> and do a cold boot after using one of them
[17:50] <daftykins> i loved my little Lasat Safire
[17:50] <diddledan> internal modems are mostly winmodems IIRC?
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> they were ast pcs. they used the worst uart chip known to human kind which made speeds over 19200 impossible
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> they were internal usr sportster modems.  really solid modems
[17:52] <daftykins> http://cache.osta.ee/iv2/auctions/1_1_19653645.jpg
[17:52] <daftykins> i had the model on the right, but 56k
[17:52] <diddledan> I've still got a zoom 56k modem somewhere in here
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> oooh, had a zoom.  good modem but not as good as the usr's
[17:53] <shauno> I honestly can't remember what I had.  I just asked for the cheapest modem they had that used a serial cable
[17:53] <daftykins> for months on our Pentium 1 'dan' PC, we only had the 9 pin serial cable so we had to pick between modem or mouse
[17:54] <daftykins> eventually the old man brought home a 25 to 9 pin converter
[17:54] <shauno> that'd be terrible.  no null-modem Doom games?!
[17:54] <daftykins> well, said adapter enabled that too :>
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> we had pcs connected via novell network for doom
[17:55] <shauno> well aren't you fancy (/old)
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> used to play in the office 3 against me.  i still won
[17:55] <diddledan> I played doom on a 10Mbit/s ethernet hub
[17:55] <daftykins> ;]
[17:55] <diddledan> (cat5!)
[17:56] <daftykins> :o
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> we were on coax
[17:56] <daftykins> fancy pants
[17:56] <daftykins> yeah i had coax at home too :(
[17:56] <daftykins> with the Arnie terminators
[17:56] <zmoylan-pi> coax gave us little grief.  we were just careful i guess
[17:56] <daftykins> i think i was just too young to understand networking at the time
[17:56] <diddledan> both coax and hub would have suffered the same issue with collision
[17:57] <daftykins> i don't even know what would've provided the IP addressing, i don't recall ever entering any for the first couple of years
[17:57] <diddledan> my hub had a little led to show collisions
[17:57] <diddledan> it flashed a LOT
[17:57] <daftykins> i remember those yeah :D
[17:57] <zmoylan-pi> though my favourite 'networked' game was f29 retaliator.  connect 2 pcs with laplink cable for 2 players to play against each other
[17:58] <shauno> we used to play a combat sim too.  it was f-something, but I think Raptor?
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> i used to humilate my bosses on that game. shooting them down with missiles that wouldn't lock onto their aircraft.
[17:58] <daftykins> f-22?
[17:58] <zmoylan-pi> f29 retaliator is the one
[17:58] <daftykins> why no lock on?
[17:59] <shauno> yup, 22 it is, http://www.mobygames.com/game/f-22-raptor
[17:59] <daftykins> \o/
[18:00] <zmoylan-pi> then his on board computer would warn him.  whereas a really slow air to ground missile would barely crawl towards them before blowing them out of the sky.  much more difficult.  much more fun
[18:01] <zmoylan-pi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwJmlWdmP2M f29
[18:01] <shauno> that was quite fun for multiplayer.  mostly because we played at a friends house, with the PCs in two different rooms.  so you'd be hurling expletives at each other across the house
[18:02] <shauno> had a stealth bomber one on the amiga too, but that didn't age well, at all
[18:03] <shauno> in unrelated news, my Pi still hasn't arrived :(  I was really hoping it'd make it before the weekend
[18:03] <daftykins> v2?
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> it's out there, lonely and os-less
[18:03] <shauno> yeah
[18:04] <diddledan> mine came today
[18:05] <shauno> it seems post to ireland still involves 7 weeks at sea
[18:05] <diddledan> shauno, it must be coming from britain, then?
[18:06] <shauno> I hope so
[18:06] <daftykins> the Ireland post ship must be captain'd by that no legs guy from Blackadder
[18:06] <daftykins> "ye have a woman's purse!"
[18:06] <daftykins> +m'lord
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> 5 working days gets from most of uk mainland to dublin or vice versa
[18:07] <zmoylan-pi> if you live outside the pale however...
[18:07] <shauno> yeah.  I don't hate myself to live in dublin.  I'm off in the wilds somewhere
[18:07] <diddledan> don't forget shauno 's address doesn't exist
[18:08] <daftykins> ^
[18:08] <diddledan> or was that your place of work?
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> well places in ireland don't need an address. it's more of a challenge for the postmen that way
[18:08] <shauno> it exists sometimes :)  that one that was addressed to Cork got here
[18:08] <diddledan> o_O
[18:08] <diddledan> well it would
[18:08] <shauno> it's just not in whatever database Tesco use :/
[18:09] <zmoylan-pi> ah well sassenachs like tescos wouldn't understand
[18:09] <diddledan> who was it mentioned gpg earlier? http://go.bwlh.at/1ukaQmM
[18:10] <diddledan> that's a bad link
[18:10] <diddledan> linux.com is evil aggregator
[18:10] <diddledan> try this one: http://go.bwlh.at/1ukb8di
[18:11] <shauno> I still think that's all a bit weird
[18:11] <daftykins> yay for a result \o/
[18:12] <diddledan> I guess the guy can go on holiday now?
[18:12] <diddledan> maybe buy a new car?
[18:12] <diddledan> and some nice jewellery
[18:13] <daftykins> don't be silly, nobody misappropriates funds!
[18:13] <diddledan> really?
[18:13] <diddledan> how does italy be italy then?
[18:13] <zmoylan-pi> he's german, he'd turn him self in afterwards if he did
[18:13] <shauno> they can't help it, proximity to Greece
[18:16]  * daftykins shivers
[18:34] <diddledan> http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/thehod007/StarTrek.gif
[18:34] <diddledan> funny
[18:42] <daftykins> they really should've gone with matte screens
[18:43] <shauno> I like glossy screens :(
[18:43] <daftykins> just joking at how it's used to show the actor :D
[18:44] <shauno> exactly.  how else would I know when it's time to shave?
[18:46] <diddledan> shauno, it's never that time
[18:46] <shauno> oh it is.  I don't grow man-beards.  I grow teenager-beards.  plural.  3 disconnected teenager-beards.
[18:47] <daftykins> ;]
[18:47] <daftykins> pics!
[18:47] <shauno> lolno
[18:48] <daftykins> don't make me link you to more shingles snaps...
[18:48] <daftykins> i'll do it!
[18:48] <shauno> I know you will.  But I'm under no obligation to click :)
[18:48] <daftykins> :>
[18:51] <diddledan> yeah, he'll label it as something you do want to click tho
[18:51] <diddledan> i.e. not shingles-omg-evil.jpg
[18:52] <diddledan> more like l00k-bewbies.jpg
[18:52] <diddledan> speaking of which, why do ebay spammers think that putting "l00k" on their listing will make you click on it?
[18:53] <shauno> newb.  its l@@k!
[18:53] <diddledan> yeah, that too
[18:54] <daftykins> XD
[18:54] <diddledan> I suppose they use @ because that makes it look like eyes
[18:55] <diddledan> bashrc, quit quitting!
[18:55] <daftykins> these dialup impressionists are rather tiresome
[18:55] <diddledan> I just don't get why people don't leave their connection on 24/7
[18:55] <bashrc> heh
[18:56] <diddledan> bouncers or irssi-proxy-like things are great
[18:56] <bashrc> I think the internet connection at work was dodgy
[19:06] <shauno> reminds me, o2 broke my dongle :(  no internets at work :(
[19:07] <diddledan> I hate breaking my dongle - it's painful
[19:07] <daftykins> shauno: O2 broke it? 0o
[19:08] <daftykins> diddledan: don't worry, you don't use it :)
[19:08] <diddledan> true
[19:08] <shauno> yeah.  they changed my contract, and now it won't connect.  I called them, and they told me to go get a new sim card
[19:09] <shauno> just a bit grrr.  if they'd told me they were going to break my internets, I would have told them to leave it alone
[19:09] <daftykins> how rude
[19:09] <daftykins> ugh this wind is making my uninsulated roofspace bedroom super cold
[19:09] <daftykins> -1 deg C windchill!
[19:09] <shauno> alas poor Chris, I barely knew you
[19:10] <diddledan> wtf?
[19:10] <daftykins> ZOMBIE!
[19:10] <diddledan> owner died?!
[19:10] <daftykins> bit extreme isn't it
[19:10] <diddledan> I like how there's a number for such an instance
[19:11] <daftykins> i wonder what 129 and 131 are
[19:11] <diddledan> 131 is armageddon?
[19:11] <shauno> 131 is E_NONEXTKIN
[19:12] <shauno> I swear these updates are getting bigger.  1.3GB for a point release?
[19:12] <diddledan> what you updating?
[19:12] <shauno> osx, again
[19:13] <diddledan> 10.10.2?
[19:13] <shauno> 10.10.3.  yay.
[19:13] <diddledan> aah 3
[19:13] <diddledan> I only got that today under non-disclosure?
[19:13] <diddledan> i.e. I'm not allowed to tell you what's in it - I don't think it prevents me telling you that I got it
[19:15] <shauno> sure you are :)
[19:17] <shauno> you don't actually read the agreements, do you :)
[19:17] <diddledan> lol, well, no I don't
[19:18] <diddledan> which begs the question as to how legally binding they are if I haven't read it
[19:18] <shauno> Information that otherwise would be deemed Confidential Information but (a) is generally and legitimately available to the public through no fault or breach of yours [b,c,d,e] will not be considered Confidential Information under this Agreement
[19:19] <shauno> once it's on teh internuts, it's no longer your problem :)
[19:19] <diddledan> hmm, so if I let slip in an anonymous post then I can attribute a non-anonymous post?
[19:20] <shauno> luckily there's enough sites salivating over apple's every nose twitch, I've never had to consider that
[19:27] <shauno> hm, I may have to purchase fire tonight
[19:31] <diddledan> o_O
[19:33] <diddledan> how does one purchase fire?
[19:42] <shauno> in the shop :)
[20:36] <diddledan> really? http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/06/oral-b-pro-smart-toothbrush-review/
[20:46] <zmoylan-pi> it's the absolute tooth
[21:03] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, I think that comment received a brush-off
[21:04] <shauno> lol what the
[21:05] <shauno> they seem to be missing the most important feature.  cranky the music up because I can't hear it when the damned thing is vibrating my skull
[21:09] <diddledan> http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/28/marissa-mayer-safari-yahoo/ <-- I thought yahoo was just a front-end to bing
[21:10] <ali1234> they keep switching
[21:10] <shauno> I'm pretty sure they can boil that down to "yahoo would love it if anyone still used it"
[21:11] <shauno> they're one of those companies, like AOL, where you just have to stare at them, and wonder how on earth they still exist
[21:12] <diddledan> lol
[21:12] <diddledan> yahoo are propped-up entirely by flickr
[21:12] <diddledan> and even that leg is a bit wonky these days
[21:15] <shauno> it is.  especially now that they break your account if you don't login enough
[21:15] <diddledan> oh?
[21:17] <diddledan> I've not logged-in in years so I wonder what they've done to me
[21:17] <shauno> I think it's 6 months, they'll expire your account for inactivity
[21:17] <diddledan> do they delete your photos?
[21:18] <shauno> I don't believe so
[21:18] <shauno> I was reading about someone who was annoyed because he couldn't login to download his own
[21:18] <shauno> so I assume
[21:19] <shauno> (lots of assume here, flickr is my only exposure to yahoo.  because it's 2015)
[22:04] <diddledan> I still can't get kodi into my head instead of xbmc
[22:05] <shauno> then symlink it and move on with life :)
[22:06] <diddledan> unfortunately my brain doesn't support symlinks
[22:06] <diddledan> it's got an old-school filesystem
[22:08] <shauno> I believe there's a fix for that
[22:08] <shauno> it probably involves a fine thread, and railroad ties
[23:03] <m0nkey_> Today is one of them days I'm so happy I'm not putting up with the family drama back in England.
[23:12] <mapp> the americans is a pretty good series
[23:12] <mapp> :)


[02:23] <mhsekhavat1> I have installed gnome-shell (gnome3) on ubuntu 12.04. Can I use the default unity system preferences?
[02:24] <JoseeAntonioR> mhsekhavat1: sure, you just need to select the environment when logging in
[02:25] <mhsekhavat1> yes but for example i want to open unity's printer settings in gnome-shell
[02:25] <JoseeAntonioR> I don't think that's possible
[02:26] <mhsekhavat1> it is possible by writing unity's printer settings app name in console, but i don't know app name of all settings
[15:39] <vikingr> hey
[15:40] <vikingr> I can't get mpd to acknowledge the existance of my library. Everything in my .mdpconf is set to what the wiki recommends.
[15:40] <vikingr> But it still won't work. When trying to play songs individually with mpc, with can't parse the song numbers.
[15:40] <vikingr> Updating doesn't do anything.
[15:41] <vikingr> sonata is still empty
[17:42] <Vampy> is it possible to run a MAAS server as a secondary DHCP for only the MAAS nodes/clients?
[17:44] <holstein> i have not used a MASS server, but im a fan of saying, since everything is open, everything is possible.. it just might not be worth the hassle
[17:45] <holstein> i would just set that up real quick and test, maybe in virtualbox or virtualized
[17:45] <Vampy> i thoguth bout settin up 2 boxes with Ubuntu 12.04 with Vbox.. to setup a virtualized MAAS cluster..
[17:46] <holstein> for something like that, i would want to see it in action and just see what actually happens
[17:46] <Vampy> hmm is that a "suggestive challenge"??? lol
[17:47] <Vampy> i do agree with you though. and could you image the options of doing a clustered cluster?
[17:47] <holstein> not really, im just saying, if i asked that in a support channel, im not sure what answer would make me either, just go ahead and implement it, or totally give up and move on
[17:47] <Vampy> or virtualized cluter of clusters.
[17:48] <Vampy> hey i'm always willing to try something new and different, i mean isnt that what linux is truly bout
[17:48] <bioterror> and then again, someone comes to beginner channel to ponder about MAAS ;)
[17:48] <Vampy> lol
[17:48] <holstein> yeah, i might try the server channel and/or mailing list
[17:49] <Vampy> i prolly will see if any one ha had any luck with it
[17:50] <bioterror> but I'm not judging, MAAS and everything beyond is a good change for these "I messed up my grub" cases
[17:51] <Vampy> so asking bout DHCP configs would be better for server chan?
[17:52] <holstein> Vampy: you can ask anything you want here... im just thinking about where you would get a quick answer
[17:53] <Vampy> well here's the setup.. i have a DHCP enable netgear router, and i'm settin up a maas. is it possible to setup the pxe for maas to redirect to the MAAS serv box instead of the router
[17:53] <Vampy> im using the MAAS guide on Ubuntu
[17:58] <Vampy> aww there is a maas chan


[06:25] <nlsthzn> Mornign all
[06:25] <nlsthzn> Morning even
[06:27] <Kilos> morning all
[06:27] <nlsthzn> good morning uncle Kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn wassup with the gaming
[06:29] <Kilos> get help with the dual screens
[06:29] <nlsthzn> like I said in the mail, I don't have an Ubuntu gaming system at the moment cause I can't get all my hardware to work with Linux :/
[06:29] <Kilos> aw
[06:30] <nlsthzn> lost a whole day yesterday fiddling with it in my ignorance :p
[06:31] <Kilos> whew
[06:48] <Kilos> i dont know where the guys will find time anyway
[06:49] <nlsthzn> my biggest issue too :(
[06:50] <Kilos> unless you play chess without timers
[06:50] <Kilos> hehe
[06:50] <magespawn> good morning
[06:50] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:51] <magespawn> good morning ?
[06:51] <magespawn> whats up?
[06:51] <magespawn> do not know where the 2nd good morning came from
[06:51] <Kilos> still no rain and spitting dust here
[06:52] <magespawn> typo gremlins already awake
[06:52] <magespawn> anything predicted?
[06:52] <Kilos> lol i wondered about that had to look if my hi went through
[06:53] <Kilos> ya 60% heavy last night and today but sun shining happily
[06:53] <magespawn> go do a rain dance
[06:53] <Kilos> lol
[06:54] <Kilos> thats what i said to the pro yesterday
[06:57] <magespawn> nlsthzn: can you choose hardware that will work or is there always a problem?
[07:15] <magespawn> Kilos how are the sheep holding up?
[07:17] <Kilos> sheep love dry weather magespawn like in the karoo
[07:17] <magespawn> well that good, the ones down here are taking strain
[07:17] <Kilos> and there is lotsa grass and weeds so they got plenty food
[07:18] <Kilos> strain from the rain?
[07:18] <magespawn> none of the dangerous weeds?
[07:18] <Kilos> i think i got rid of the few bad ones that were here
[07:19] <Kilos> over the years
[07:20] <magespawn> the tick load for animals down here when it is wet is too much for the sheep
[07:20] <Kilos> think
[07:20] <Kilos> ah
[07:20] <Kilos> yeah
[07:20] <Kilos> its rather expensive to dip but that helps
[07:21] <Kilos> once a month or 2 in the summer
[07:21] <Kilos> also drops the tick population
[07:21] <magespawn> the parasites are okay to deal with, takes time, but the secondary infections, fungus and such are madness
[07:22] <Kilos> fungus as in foot rot?
[07:23] <magespawn> and internal fungus, makes the area swell up
[07:23] <Kilos> ivomec injections under the skin in inner thigh
[07:24] <magespawn> got a new name for the channel
[07:24] <Kilos> anyone of the ivomectins will do
[07:24] <Kilos> lol
[07:24] <magespawn> #ubuntu-za-vet
[07:25] <magespawn> yeah there is treatment, but hectic on the time, effort and money
[07:25] <Kilos> also another similar product called trodex
[07:25] <Kilos> nothing is cheap anymore
[07:26] <magespawn> yup and in zululand you seem to need everything to just get normal growth and production
[07:26] <Kilos> i looked at that matrix site to see what it would cost to build up a fast pc
[07:26] <Kilos> whew
[07:27] <Kilos> the cpus are expensive
[07:27] <Kilos> i saving bit by bit to get a socket 1155 mb i think it is
[07:27] <magespawn> yup when you start looking at the i7, they can cost as much a whole normal pc
[07:27] <Kilos> like the one cantide got
[07:28] <Kilos> even i3 is faster that a P4 hey?
[07:28] <Kilos> the nice part is them mb's take ddr3 ram
[07:29] <magespawn> the newer chips have multiple cores so they run at the same Ghz but process two lots of commands at the same time
[07:29] <Tonberry> i5 is plenty fast
[07:30] <Kilos> yeah i wanted to get a core2 cpu for here and ian said rather go bit by bit and get the other mb
[07:30] <Kilos> i5 and i7 cpus cost big bucks Tonberry
[07:31] <Kilos> i go see the i5 price
[07:31] <Tonberry> 2500ish is the sweetspot
[07:31] <Kilos> eek
[07:31] <Kilos> i want to build the whole thing for 2k or less
[07:32] <Kilos> still gotta get data monthly
[07:32] <Tonberry> 2k for a pc is pushing it
[07:32] <Tonberry> not impossible
[07:32] <nlsthzn> core2quad still kick butt
[07:32] <Tonberry> if you can find one
[07:32] <nlsthzn> my wife still using my Q6600 and it works fine
[07:33] <nlsthzn> got to go second hand
[07:33]  * Tonberry is a speedfreak
[07:33]  * nlsthzn is rocking an i7 too :p
[07:39] <Kilos> http://www.matrixonlineshop.co.za/Shop/
[07:40] <Kilos> if you look at specials there lotsa expensive stuff
[07:41] <Kilos> left bottom corner is mb's and cpu's\
[07:44] <nlsthzn> when I was in SA I always bought from http://sybaritic.co.za/store/
[07:44] <nlsthzn> and my one system I got from http://www.pcint.co.za/
[07:47] <Kilos> will look at them too ty nlsthzn
[07:52] <magespawn> brb
[08:08] <magespawn> back
[08:09] <nlsthzn> wb Maaz
[08:09] <Kilos> wb
[08:09] <nlsthzn> >><
[08:09] <nlsthzn> >.<
[08:09] <nlsthzn> wb magespawn
[08:12] <magespawn> lol
[08:12] <magespawn> ty
[08:55] <magespawn> i see why you like it inetpro http://www.akadia.com/services/lsof_intro.html
[08:56] <magespawn> "lsof provides many more options and could be an unvaluable foresinc tool if your system get compromised or as daily basis check tool."
 1. Invaluable; being beyond price. [Obs.] --South. [1913 Webster]  2. Not valuable; having little value. [R.] --T. Adams. [1913 Webster]
[09:22] <nlsthzn> so it has two oppisite meanings, lovely
[09:23] <inetpro> hmm... not exactly what I understand from that
[09:23] <inetpro> being beyond price
[09:24] <nlsthzn> 1. = very very valuable, 2 = no value
[09:24] <inetpro> nlsthzn: where does it say that?
[09:24] <nlsthzn> if something is priceless it is .... ?
[09:24] <Kilos> 2
[09:24] <inetpro> very very valuable is valuable
[09:25] <Kilos> un is normally the opposite of something
[09:25] <Kilos> thats 1 invaluable
[09:25] <inetpro> unvaluable is 'not valuable'
[09:25] <nlsthzn> Maaz, define invaluable
[09:25] <Kilos> ya
[09:25] <Maaz> nlsthzn: Invaluable \In*val"u*a*ble\, a. Valuable beyond estimation; inestimable; priceless; precious. [1913 Webster], invaluable adj 1: having incalculable monetary, intellectual, or spiritual worth [syn: {invaluable}, {priceless}]
[09:26] <inetpro> unvaluable
[09:26] <inetpro> :-)
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <Kilos> i had actually never heard it used before
[09:26] <inetpro> makes sense to me
[09:27] <inetpro> Maaz: define valuable
[09:27] <Maaz> inetpro: Valuable \Val"u*a*ble\, a. 1. Having value or worth; possessing qualities which are useful and esteemed; precious; costly; as, a valuable horse; valuable land; a valuable cargo. [1913 Webster]  2. Worthy; estimable; deserving esteem; as, a valuable friend; a valuable companion. [1913 Webster]  {Valuable consideration} (Law), an equivalent or compensation
[09:27] <Maaz> having value given for a thing purchased, as money, marriage, services, etc. --Blackstone.…
[09:28] <inetpro> hmm...
[09:28] <nlsthzn> the definition for unvaluable given by maaz is oppsosite of each other
[09:29] <magespawn> maybe maaz needs a proper dictionary like oxford
[09:31] <zeref> herro ubuntu-za
[09:32] <inetpro> magespawn: what does the oxford dictionary say about unvaluable
[09:32] <inetpro> ?
[09:32] <zeref> invaluable?
[09:32] <Kilos> i cant find it in my old one
[09:32] <magespawn> not sure
[09:32] <magespawn> brb
[09:32]  * magespawn goes to get a dictionary
[09:33] <nlsthzn> Un`val´u`a`ble
[09:33] <nlsthzn> a.	1.	Invaluable; being beyond price.
[09:33] <nlsthzn> 2.	Not valuable; having little value.
[09:33] <nlsthzn> Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, published 1913 by C. & G. Merriam Co.
[09:33] <nlsthzn> great, same one as Maaz :/
[09:34] <nlsthzn> seems unvaluable in the sense of invaluable is an American thing (from some stuff I read online)
[09:36] <inetpro> according to http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/unvaluable - unvaluable - The word you've entered isn't in the thesaurus. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.
[09:37] <inetpro> very interesting
[09:37] <magespawn> no such word according to http://oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=unvaluable
[09:38] <nlsthzn> google also tries and corrects it to invaluable :p
[09:38] <Kilos> hehe
[09:38] <Kilos> i may be stupid but i'm not a fool
[09:38] <inetpro> haha
[09:38] <Kilos> but the yanks have warped many english words over the years
[09:39] <Kilos> and peeps everywhere learn it from tv
[09:39] <magespawn> and done away with lots of others
[09:39] <inetpro> http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/unvaluable
[09:39] <inetpro> that ^^ has it
[09:40] <tumbleweed> I'd suggest valueless over unvaluable, though
[09:40] <Kilos> yip tumbleweed
[09:40] <inetpro> I agree that it is somewhat confusing
[09:40] <magespawn> isn't collins also american?
[09:41] <tumbleweed> unvaluable isn't commonly used
[09:41] <inetpro> but I can understand how they got to derive the meaning 'not valuable'
[09:41] <inetpro> un = not
[09:41] <magespawn> and if you write programmes it can create interesting results
[09:41] <Kilos> un is an opposite of a word
[09:41] <Kilos> like unlike
[09:41] <Kilos> etc
[09:42] <nlsthzn> and uncle
[09:42] <tumbleweed> so is in-, most of the time
[09:42] <inetpro> unlike = not like
[09:42] <Kilos> lol @ nlsthzn
[09:42] <tumbleweed> English doesn't like hard rules
[09:42] <inetpro> roflol
[09:42] <Kilos> yip incurable is not curable
[09:43] <nlsthzn> so un = not except when it doesn't
[09:43] <inetpro> you guys are classic!
[09:44] <Kilos> languages are interesting
[09:44] <Kilos> afr has funny words too
[09:44] <inetpro> Kilos: very!
[09:45] <Kilos> our black backed jackal is n witrug jakals
[09:45] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[09:45] <magespawn> inflammable
[09:45] <Kilos> the van der merwe that named them must been colour blind
[09:46] <Kilos> yip magespawn thats very flammable
[09:46] <Kilos> weird hey why not just say flamable
[09:47] <inetpro> wow, that is weird yes
[09:49] <Kilos> thats why peeps that speak other languages battle with english
[09:49] <Kilos> one needs to grow up with it
[09:49] <magespawn> have tried mandarin?
[09:50] <Kilos> and then still need dictionary now and again
[09:55] <inetpro> Flammable and inflammable both mean capable of burning. The word "inflammable" came from Latin inflammāre = "to set fire to," where the prefix "in-" means "in" as in "indoctrinate", rather than "not" as in "invisible" and "ineligible".
[09:56] <inetpro> comes from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflammable#Linguistics:_flammable_vs._inflammable
[09:56] <Kilos> whew
[09:57] <nlsthzn> nice find
[09:58] <Kilos> i shoulda kept quiet
[09:58] <magespawn> #ubuntu-za-language
[09:59] <Kilos> was easier just to know what inflammable meant not that the latins gave us its root
[09:59] <Kilos> as in so many other words
[09:59] <Kilos> attilla shoulda wiped them
[10:00] <magespawn> think it was a bit late then, they had already influenced the language
[10:00] <magespawn> brb
[10:02]  * inetpro lol at @ Kilos
[10:09] <magespawn> back
[10:19] <magespawn> man the networking in win is retarded
[10:21] <Kilos> along with everything else
[10:22] <magespawn> this in particular is getting in my way today
[10:23] <nlsthzn> when it comes to networks and windows I plug it in and it works or I don't plug it in :p
[10:23] <superfly> afternoon boys and girls
[10:23] <superfly> when it comes to Windows, I don't.
[10:24] <magespawn> nlsthzn: it was working and now isn't
[10:24] <nlsthzn> re-install ez
[10:24] <magespawn> says network printer is offline yet i can print from all the ubuntu machines
[10:24] <Kilos> lol
[10:24] <Kilos> hi fly
[10:24] <nlsthzn> ah, replace printer ez
[10:24] <superfly> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9thbaXOAGM
[10:25] <magespawn> have done that before too and problem comes back like a boomarang
[10:30] <nlsthzn> superfly, brilliantly doen
[10:30] <nlsthzn> *done
[10:30] <superfly> nlsthzn: yeah :-)
[10:34]  * nlsthzn is liking some of the addtions in Win 8... the taskmanager gives loads more info now (even the pop up when you copy files are looking sweet)
[10:42] <superfly> nlsthzn: can I introduce you to KDE4? :-P
[10:46] <Kilos> hi Mezenir
[10:47] <Mezenir> hey kilos :)
[10:47] <Mezenir> how are you ?
[10:47] <Mezenir> its an awesome day
[10:47] <Mezenir> i feel like braaiing
[10:48] <nlsthzn> superfly, lol
[10:48] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[10:50] <Mezenir> pretty good thanks
[10:51] <superfly> ahoy Mezenir! long time no smell!
[10:51] <Mezenir> i finally took the step to remove windows completely :)
[10:51] <Kilos> things not hot if you wanna swap hey superfly
[10:51] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[10:51] <Mezenir> how have you been
[10:51] <Kilos> yay Mezenir well done
[10:52] <superfly> http://techcrunch.com/2013/01/11/white-house-responds-to-death-star-petition-obama-does-not-support-blowing-up-planets/
[10:52] <Mezenir> im actually surprised how many old games run fine in wine
[10:52] <magespawn> superfly is today link day?
[10:53] <Mezenir> i installed deus ex 1 with a texture pack which includes a newer opengl renderer
[10:53] <Mezenir> and it runs perfectly
[10:53] <superfly> Mezenir: nice
[10:53] <nlsthzn> superfly, was reading that earlier, pretty clever replies
[10:53] <superfly> magespawn: just actually pasting links for once
[10:56] <Kilos> wb timkeller
[10:58] <magespawn> everytime i see that nick i think timekiller
[10:59] <Kilos> hahaha clock watcher
[11:00] <superfly> Mezenir: I've been playing my old Star Wars Jedi Academy in WIEN
[11:00] <superfly> *WINE
[11:01] <nlsthzn> confused my opponant in starcraft... I tried to keep him out my base but my wall failed so when he got one unit in I quit :p pretty sure he must have gone wtf?!
[11:27] <Tonberry> regular quit or ragequit?
[11:36] <magespawn> raining again
[11:36]  * magespawn sends some weather up to GP
[11:36] <Kilos> ty ty ty
[11:53] <nlsthzn> Tonberry, i did gg before leaving :p
[11:53] <inetpro> magespawn: thanks
[11:53] <inetpro> I hope nobody steals it again on it's way here
[11:53] <Kilos> hehe
[11:54] <zeref> yay
[11:54] <Tonberry> in sa they even steal the weather....
[11:54] <zeref> screen is working againg
[11:54] <inetpro> zeref: the physical screen or gnu screen?
[11:54] <zeref> *again
[11:54] <zeref> physical screen
[11:54] <Kilos> wow what was it zeref
[11:55] <zeref> dont know, I pressed the power button,on the screen, connected the power
[11:55] <zeref> and it can alive
[11:55] <zeref> btw at thw same time
[11:56] <inetpro> magic touch
[11:56] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <zeref> i was about to but a new screen
[11:56] <zeref> IT LIVES
[11:56] <zeref> :-)
[11:56] <zeref> * buy
[11:57] <Kilos> lol now you cab stay attached to it
[11:58] <zeref> k, hang a sec
[11:58] <zeref> or 60
[11:59] <zeref> omg am so happy
[12:00] <Kilos> good news that
[12:00] <zeref> trying to get a shot of my systen
[12:02] <zeref> k, 1 min
[12:04] <zeref> ok
[12:04] <zeref> desktop + laptop  on table
[12:04] <zeref> sever at the bottom
[12:04] <zeref> http://imgur.com/QA7iO
[12:05] <zeref> that black box is the external
[12:05] <zeref>  :-)
[12:05] <zeref> the white box is the switch
[12:07] <Kilos> the white box on top?
[12:07] <zeref> switch Kilos
[12:08] <zeref> o n top on the PVC
[12:08] <zeref> *PC
[12:08] <Kilos> looks good
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe the switdh is unhappy
[12:10] <zeref> switch is happy
[12:10] <zeref> i am happy
[12:10] <zeref> we are all happy
[12:10] <zeref> :-)
[12:11] <Kilos> hehe
[12:12] <magespawn> zeref: have you used synergy before?
[12:12] <zeref> so what i did over that the past 4 days is that: the problem started when i pressed crtl+ alt + f1
[12:12] <zeref> then the screen turned off
[12:12] <zeref> .
[12:12] <zeref> so after a couple of days
[12:13] <zeref> I disconnected the powerf
[12:13] <zeref> * power
[12:13] <zeref> the today
[12:13] <zeref> *then
[12:14] <Kilos> i need to know more about the server
[12:14] <Kilos> what all is in that flat box
[12:14] <Kilos> i got a whole pc as a server
[12:14] <zeref>  I pressed the power button and connected  the power whilst pressing the power button
[12:15] <zeref> and it switched on
[12:15] <zeref> :-(
[12:15] <zeref> :-)
[12:15] <Kilos> thats a weird prob you cause there
[12:15] <Kilos> no more ctrl+alt+f1
[12:15] <zeref> magespawn:  I've synergy before
[12:15] <zeref> what is it?
[12:15] <zeref> Kilos: indeed
[12:16] <Kilos> it should go to text interface i think
[12:16] <Kilos> like f2
[12:16] <Kilos> the guys will know
[12:16] <zeref> k, i think  i should write a tut on that
[12:17] <magespawn> allows you to control one or more pc with onely one keyboard and mouse
[12:18] <magespawn> have not tried it on a server though only gui systems
[12:19] <zeref> ok.
[12:20] <zeref> so do crtl + alt + f1
[12:20] <zeref> affect the screen
[12:34] <Kilos> im scared to try
[12:45] <sakhi> funny I can only ssh to my servers via port 22 when I change the port to something else like 65534  it doesn't work...hmmm I'm not using ports numbers lower than 1024
[12:48] <zeref> sakhi: shouldn't you change your port numbers on the  server
[12:49] <sakhi> yes I have changed in on the server
[12:51] <sakhi> I have a session on the server made the changes on the ssh config file when I ssh from my laptop it doesn't work however when I revert back to port 22 on the server it works...I'm thinking it could be fw perhaps.
[12:56] <tumbleweed> I'd guess so
[12:59] <sakhi> anyone heard of Moroccan Ghost? bunch of people going around defacing websites, I was a victim. Seems like the use a file injection attack especially on php sites.
[13:01] <superfly> sakhi: what was your site running?
[13:01] <superfly> Drupal? WordPress? Joomla?
[13:01] <sakhi> Chisimba its an inhouse cms
[13:01] <superfly> oh right, yes I know Chisimba
[13:02] <superfly> had a look at it and went running straight back to Drupal
[13:02] <sakhi> its going to phased out due to "professional" support prof.=M$
[13:03] <sakhi> I don't blame you its well written and the idea behind it great however it lacks support.
[13:05] <superfly> no, I looked at the code and found it awful
[13:06] <sakhi> lots of coding last I checked it was more than 200k lines
[13:16] <magespawn> sakhi: did they not get to a bunch of sa government sites too?
[13:23] <sakhi> magespawn: yes they also did.
[13:23] <sakhi> and other sites which are not Govt. most are Govt.
[13:24] <magespawn> seems like a strange thing to do, what do they gain from it?
[13:27] <sakhi> bunch of kids wasting peoples time...I mean really if you wanted to cause harm why go for sites instead of business systems...no idea what they gain from it.
[13:28] <magespawn> one of the unknown things about the internet
[13:30] <magespawn> gotta go all, bye
[14:02] <digigram> Maaz: beer please
[14:02] <Maaz> digigram: Go get it yourself!
[14:02]  * digigram is trying his luck, knowing the answer ahead of time
[14:16] <Kilos> hi digigram
[14:17] <digigram> hi Kilos
[14:27] <digigram> mmm, academ.org?
[14:29] <digigram> now why did I think a site like academ.org will be english
[17:16] <inetpro> Kilos: you are way to quiet today, what's wrong?
[17:16] <Kilos> im converting inetpro
[17:16] <inetpro> converting?
[17:16] <Kilos> into a lurker
[17:16] <Kilos> hehe
[17:16] <inetpro> ai!
[17:17] <inetpro> that is not on!
[17:17] <Kilos> oh why?
[17:17] <inetpro> Kilos: it's just not like you
[17:17] <inetpro> unlike
[17:17] <Kilos> hahaha not inlike
[17:18] <inetpro> lol
[17:19] <Kilos> hows your bubbeltjies doing
[17:19] <Kilos> we are swamped with the thing
[17:19] <Kilos> s
[17:20] <Kilos> lo Vince-0
[17:21] <Vince-0> that was quick, Kilos
[17:21] <Vince-0> Hi!
[17:21] <Kilos> hehe
[17:21] <Kilos> i go eat
[17:21] <superfly> evening swamprats
[17:22]  * superfly suddenly has visions of ROUSes
[17:22] <Kilos> haha
[17:22] <Kilos> not swamps here. you playing to many gamesa
[17:22] <Kilos> games
[17:23] <Kilos> inetpro, things dont look good weatherwise hey
[17:23] <inetpro> Kilos: ai, ja die bubbeltjies het hier ook oorgevat soos nog iets
[17:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:23] <inetpro> en die weer, ai!
[17:23] <inetpro> ek hoop maar dit kom nog
[17:24] <Kilos> bou hulle weerstand teen banweed of het jy nie weer gespuit nie
[17:24] <inetpro> Kilos: nee ek het nie weer gespuit nie
[17:24] <Kilos> ah
[17:24] <inetpro> nie tyd en geld ingesit faarvoor nie
[17:24] <inetpro> daarvoor*
[17:24] <Kilos> ai
[17:24] <inetpro> te vele ander prioriteite
[17:25] <Kilos> ja die lewe darem
[17:25] <inetpro> Kilos: jy gaan nou eers eet?
[17:25] <Kilos> laat jou tuinier daagliks a stuk skoonmaak
[17:25] <inetpro> jy's laat vandag
[17:25] <superfly> bubbeltjies?
[17:25] <Kilos> nee sus kyk nog spook ding
[17:25] <superfly> you guys blowing bubbles at each other?
[17:25] <inetpro> superfly: lol
[17:26] <Kilos> thorns with 2 tiny sharp points superfly
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <inetpro> superfly: that's Kilos' word for my weeds
[17:27] <Kilos> superfly, you serious about going with debian kde?
[17:28] <inetpro> superfly: what is swamprats?
[17:28] <inetpro> and ROUses
[17:28] <Kilos> ok now i go eat after weatherman lies some more
[17:29] <superfly> swamprats are rats that live in swamps
[17:29] <superfly> and ROUSes are Rodents Of Unusual Size
[17:29] <Kilos> thats the natallers
[17:29] <superfly> inetpro: you need to watch The Princess Bride - there seems to be a gap in your education
[17:29] <Kilos> wbb
[17:30] <superfly> inetpro: I thought they were dubbeltjies, not bubbeltjies
[17:30] <inetpro> superfly: yes dubbeltjies
[17:31] <inetpro> and for the gap in my education?
[17:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:31]  * inetpro doesn't know about that
[17:34] <superfly> inetpro: exactly, if you don't know about The Princess Bride, then there's a gap!
[17:35] <inetpro> superfly: but I don't know about it
[17:38] <superfly> inetpro: so then I recommend finding it, and watching it! Then you can join thousands of others world wide who seek to continue the meme
[17:38] <inetpro> lol
[17:38] <superfly> And you'll understand a number of quips that arise in geekdom
[17:39] <superfly> too many references to that movie
[17:39] <inetpro> the gap is already filled with may other things
[17:39] <inetpro> to many other things*
[17:39] <superfly> inetpro: if it isn't the princess bride, then it's not worth it! :-P
[17:39] <inetpro> ok superfly, is it good for kiddies as well?
[17:40] <superfly> inetpro: mostly, yes
[17:40] <inetpro> hmm....
[17:40] <superfly> inetpro: how old are yours?
[17:40] <inetpro> superfly: between 7 and 15
[17:41] <superfly> that should be fine.  Didn't know that :p
[18:54] <inetpro> http://www.zdnet.com/hacker-activist-aaron-swartz-commits-suicide-7000009725/
[18:54] <smile> yeah, heard about it
[18:54] <smile> :(
[18:54] <smile> it's sad
[18:55] <Kilos> ai
[19:25] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:26] <inetpro> smile: did you know the guy?
[19:28] <smile> not personally, inetpro :p
[19:30] <inetpro> smile: why you smiling with your tongue hanging out in anticipation?
[19:31] <inetpro> or what is the meaning of that smiley
[19:32] <smile> Well it indicates I'm happy :)
[19:32] <smile> But not about the death of someone
[19:32] <smile> i have to go, bye
[19:32] <inetpro> smile: good night
[19:32] <inetpro> Mezenir: wb
[19:33] <Mezenir> thanks :)
[19:33] <smile> thanks inetpro :)
[19:33] <smile> bye ki


[16:38] <xTEMPLARx> What would make one choose fedora over cent, or vice versa
[16:43] <Unit193> Fedora is actually updated, CentOS is more solid for servers.
[16:45] <xTEMPLARx> So generally better for desktop use then
[16:46] <xTEMPLARx> Makes sense
[16:52] <wrst> howdy xTEMPLARx, Unit193
[16:53] <xTEMPLARx> Heya wrst
[16:53] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: just use arch its no trouble that way
[16:54] <xTEMPLARx> Not a fan of arch thus far, but mostly due to impatience
[16:54] <wrst> set it and forget it :)
[16:54] <wrst> but the setting it takes a bit
[16:55] <Unit193> Howdy.
[16:55] <Unit193> wrst: Arch on the server? :P
[16:55] <xTEMPLARx> Agreed WRST
[16:56] <wrst> no Unit193, not on a server
[16:57] <Unit193> Knew someone that did.
[16:57] <xTEMPLARx> Why not?
[16:59] <wrst> latest and greatest isn't always the best idea on a server is it?
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> If you're constantly updating that's usually not a good idea
[17:00] <xTEMPLARx> Set it and forget it right?
[17:00] <wrst> other than the updating
[17:00] <wrst> :)
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> Now see
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> It's like getting married
[17:01] <wrst> I wouldn't want to have an arch box then come back in 6 months and update it
[17:01] <wrst> it would likely go up in smoke, but update it a couple times a week no issue
[17:01] <xTEMPLARx> All the extra work nobody warned you about when you were staring longingly into your bride's eyes
[17:02] <xTEMPLARx> I'm sliw typing on iPhone
[17:02] <xTEMPLARx> Slow too
[17:02] <xTEMPLARx> I'd use speech recognition to type but I'm at Krystal's
[17:02] <wrst> ha ha
[17:04] <Unit193> I wouldn't want to wait 6 months on any server, at the rate of openssl.
[17:04] <wrst> that's a good point
[17:04] <wrst> but you know what I mean
[17:06] <Unit193> Yeeep.
[17:06] <xTEMPLARx> [13:01] <faugusztin> Codmadnesspro: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Does-Mayonnaise-Last-as-a-Thermal-Compound/1793
[17:06] <Unit193> Also, I'm unmarried.
[17:06] <xTEMPLARx> And it's not even April yet
[17:09] <xTEMPLARx> Bak to work with me
[17:09] <xTEMPLARx> Back too
[18:01] <bwmaker> I tried Arch once. Once being the keyword there. I did it just to say that I did it.
[18:01] <bwmaker> I'm finding Fedora very enjoyable.
[18:07] <xTEMPLARx> i used to be a redhat fanboy after I got done with slackware
[18:07] <xTEMPLARx> was using redhat when they branched off to fedora
[18:07] <xTEMPLARx> used fedora for a little while after that and kinda bailed on it for a little while in general
[18:07] <xTEMPLARx> came back full force when ubuntu caught my eye
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> I still have (somewhere) some old redhat install cds
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> used to still have my old slackware floppies, but  I think they're gone now lol
[18:11] <bwmaker> :) I didn't know about Linux until 2009. Pretty sure 8.10 was my first Linux experience. I do probably still have some Windows 3.11 floppies, though.
[18:11] <bwmaker> *Ubuntu 8.10
[18:19] <xTEMPLARx> :D  good old 3.11.  She loves it and I'm happy she's off Windows. Next time, she might be ready for Gnome.
[18:40] <xTEMPLARx> i took my dad straight from windows xp to ubuntu 7 or so. he never could tell the diff
[18:41] <bwmaker> I actually had a co-worker do that to his wife recently, until she tried installing an EXE.
[18:43] <xTEMPLARx> my dad was installing too many EXEs, if you catch my meaning. he didn't know any better and assumed if someone sent him an email it MUST have been for him
[18:43] <xTEMPLARx> so firefox on ubuntu 7 or so and he's in good shape
[18:44] <xTEMPLARx> he HAS been able to break it a few times
[18:45] <bwmaker> :)
[18:45] <bwmaker> Does he use the software center at all?
[18:46] <xTEMPLARx> but by break it, I mean he's moved his task bars to all the wrong places, and adds new ones where none should be
[18:46] <xTEMPLARx> he doesn't use the software center
[18:46] <xTEMPLARx> to him, the browser is his computer
[18:46] <bwmaker> Yeah. My dad got an ipad and just uses it all the time. He got a smart tv, too, so he talks to it some.
[18:47] <bwmaker> It's a fascinating interaction. It doesn't understand him when he says "Nascar". "D
[18:47] <bwmaker> :D
[18:49] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[22:47] <Grammar> Intense crowd.
[23:11] <bwmaker> Howdy.