[11:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:53] <erstazi> good morning teddy-dbear
[13:06] <icey> ahoy
[13:09] <teddy-dbear> hi
[13:23] <icey> how's it?
[13:23] <teddy-dbear> good


[18:37] <ToadKing> hello, is there something wrong with the nightly firefox builds ppa? it hasn't been updated in a week
[19:32] <kbrosnan> ToadKing: ubuntu does not assign any developers to maintain Firefox. Chris does what he can in his spare time. using the Mozilla builds is one option, http://nightly.mozilla.org/
[20:13] <ToadKing> thanks


[23:45] <kotux> hi
[23:45] <kotux> can somebody help me with bzr branch lp:ubuntu-doc?
[23:46] <kotux> It's not working on precise b/c I get john@kotux:~$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-doc
[23:46] <kotux> bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "Cannot create 'bzr'. Only Bazaar branches are allowed."


 We are rootin for  her
[09:48] <brobostigon> knightwise: yes, definatly isnt good, thank you.
[09:52] <knightwise> hormones are a funny thing , the misses had some issues with it too.
[09:56] <brobostigon> yes definatly, we did anticipate it would play with her hormones, but nowhere near this bad.
[10:03] <knightwise> True, small imbalances can have quite severe concequences.
[10:04] <knightwise> Misses here took some anti inflamatories against a bugbite on Friday, but sure as you know, it affected her system.
[10:05] <brobostigon> thats not good.
[10:05] <knightwise> yeah ..
[10:06] <knightwise> How long before she is due ?
[10:07] <brobostigon> roughly 35 weeks.
[10:38] <knightwise> still a ways to go. Hope everything turns out ok. We are rooting for you
[10:44] <brobostigon> yes, me too, thank you.
[11:17] <daftykins> o0
[11:50] <SuperEngineer> curent status:  - busy watching F1 -
[11:51] <daftykins> yawn :)
[11:52]  * zmoylan-pi mulls walking to nearby hill to watch air show or into town for nice long walk home...
[11:53] <SuperEngineer> I beg your pardnobs>! - was that a yawn I heard there?  Oh well, no accounting for some peeps bad taste.
[11:53] <daftykins> and here's me struggling to work up the effort to pop and buy some milk ;)
[11:53] <daftykins> SuperEngineer: precisely :D
[11:53] <SuperEngineer> [& Grands Prix have air shows!}
[11:53] <SuperEngineer> ssshhh  - busy watching F1 -
[11:54] <zmoylan-pi> watching the 1% arriving in personal helicopters is not an airshow... :-P
[11:54] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: hey you can have one for the road now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko7eNx0zAuI
[11:54] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi: your lack of knowledge of what actually happens is surprising :-D
[11:54] <SuperEngineer> ssshhh  - busy watching F1 -
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> nice video daftykins, i am suprised no one has made a kit addon for the pi's yet
[11:58] <daftykins> probably realise how much utility they lack ;)
[11:59] <daftykins> i'll have fun making a squeezebox clone out of the pi 3 i ordered though, need to have a look at why my left monitors' built in card reader no longer shows up
[12:11] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: there is one it's called the pitop
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> there is now also one for android phones coming out... $99 i think instead of the $299 for the pitop... pity it's for android though
[12:18] <zmoylan-pi> right, time for a walk...
[12:41] <knightwise> At the local coffeeshop
[12:41] <knightwise> Vpn'ed into my vps in amsterdam
[12:41]  * knightwise dont like open wifi
[12:42] <daftykins> ;]
[12:48] <knightwise> atom however doesnt like the sshuttle vpn
[12:48] <knightwise> crashin on me
[12:49] <daftykins> atom? shuttle?
[12:52] <knightwise> sshuttle is my ssh vpn
[12:52] <knightwise> atom my text editor;
[12:52] <knightwise> seems to have issues
[12:52] <knightwise> very odd
[13:02] <daftykins> hrmm
[13:02] <daftykins> is it working on remote files or something?
[14:42] <diddledan> morning
[14:43]  * penguin42 yaaaawwwwnnnnss at diddledan
[14:49] <daftykins> \o
[14:49] <daftykins> afty gents
[14:49] <penguin42> hey
[14:52] <daftykins> hmm i'm browsing around tech related videos on youtube, not something i've really done before o0
[14:52] <daftykins> i was used to the majority of content on there being impossible to tolerate!
[14:55] <daftykins> well it comes close... guy puts an nvidia 1080 in an HTPC build
[14:55] <daftykins> oy.
[15:00] <diddledan> in a webpage the default 8px margin on <body> is there because mosaic did it that way and nobody ever thought to change it
[15:03] <daftykins> when do you see that?
[15:04] <diddledan> daftykins: when you're making your own page from scratch and haven't overridden it yet
[15:06] <daftykins> ah
[15:06] <daftykins> diddledan: did you say your keyboard of choice on the desktop is an Apple one still?
[15:06] <diddledan> yup
[15:07] <diddledan> I like my apple keyboard
[15:07] <diddledan> annoying that windows won't support the keymap though
[15:07] <daftykins> i thought you could get helper progs
[15:16] <knightwise> diddledan: agreed
[15:17] <knightwise> I got a logitech bluetooth mac keyboard that supports both osx and ios
[15:17] <knightwise> The funny thing is , the linux keymapping is not always correct
[15:17] <diddledan> yeah linux is wonky on this with the § and ` keys switched e.g.
[15:18] <knightwise> th@ sign is incorrectly mapped whehen you use and external bluetooth keyboard (its fine when you use the onboard one)
[15:18] <knightwise> diddledan: exTREMEly annoying bug
[15:18] <diddledan> aye
[15:19] <diddledan> at least they got £ and # the right way about with both on the same key (the 3-key) where shift+3 = £ and r-alt+3 = #
[15:19] <diddledan> that's in buntu
[15:20] <diddledan> of course if I were to hackintosh it then it'ld work :-p
[15:21] <diddledan> I get confused between ctrl+c for copy and cmd+c for copy between macos and non-macos
[15:36] <knightwise> diddledan: Know what you mean
[15:36] <knightwise> I have a french keyboard layout
[15:37]  * diddledan bemoans foreigners :-p
[15:37] <knightwise> so its even worse
[15:37] <diddledan> apparently the majority of britain hates you lot
[15:37] <diddledan> :-(
[15:37] <diddledan> bloomin brexit :-(
[15:38] <penguin42> I think most of the world hates the french keyboard layout - have you seen where the numbers are?
[15:38] <diddledan> lol
[15:38] <diddledan> I've not seen a french keyboard
[15:38] <diddledan> azerty?
[15:38] <diddledan> qwertz is Gernal?
[15:38] <diddledan> German*8
[15:38] <knightwise> azerty
[15:39] <knightwise> penguin42: i am unfortunately used to it
[15:39] <knightwise> should have switched years ago
[15:40] <daftykins> diddledan: yip
[15:40] <diddledan> yipyip
[15:40]  * diddledan yips like a yippy dogh
[15:40] <diddledan> dog
[15:40] <diddledan> I'm not concentrating on my typing fingers today methinks
[15:40] <diddledan> too many mistakes
[15:42] <diddledan> too many mistakes is to what as too many secrets is to setec astronomy
[15:43] <penguin42> diddledan: The letter layout is odd enough, but the number layout is much harder
[15:43] <penguin42> diddledan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY   the numbers are shifted
[15:43] <diddledan> penguin42: are they at least in some sort of order? or are they just scattered randomly?
[15:47] <knightwise> no they arent, you just have to presh shift to  access the numbers
[15:55] <diddledan> https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2016/07/introducing-stack-overflow-documentation-beta/
[18:34] <daftykins> this is pretty sweet, my friend is at a Houston baseball game which i'm watching on stream live
[18:35] <daftykins> (so, Texas of course)
[19:10] <ikonia> he's personally streaming it?
[19:11] <zmoylan-pi> with written permission from baseball association?
[19:11] <ikonia> just wondered how he was streaming it
[19:11] <zmoylan-pi> or isn't there a twitter thing now that streams them
[19:13] <daftykins> no i am subscribed to MLB, it's just that she's there *live* :)
[19:14] <zmoylan-pi> as opposed to been in stasis... :-P
[19:15] <daftykins> i'm about a minute or more behind reality, mind you ;)
[19:33] <daftykins> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn_gSAgVMAAyEEQ.jpg:large yay Crucial RAM
[20:27] <diddledan> "US Democratic Party chair to resign after leaked emails suggest party insiders tried to sabotage Sanders campaign bbc.in/29TIYkO"
[20:28] <zmoylan-pi> see, this is why you use outlook and exchange... they go down so often and lose so much information that you always have plausible deniability... :-P
[20:36] <diddledan> and oof: http://www.revk.uk/2016/07/blizzard-withdrawing-support-for-ipv6.html
[20:36] <zmoylan-pi> and support for pigeons?
[20:36] <diddledan> that's the replacementy
[20:37] <zmoylan-pi> but only blizzard bred pigeons of course
[20:55] <daftykins> ugh neighbour is playing a film with his window wide open, it's bouncing right off the wall in this tiny lane and straight into mine, or through the wall for the bass
[20:56] <zmoylan-pi> hopefully not seven samurai, great movie but goes on forever...
[21:05] <daftykins> nah Deadpool by the sounds of it ;)
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> shout out plot spoilers... :-P
[21:09] <diddledan> lmao
[21:09] <diddledan> HE'S NOT UNBREAKABLE
[21:10] <daftykins> "the girl dies!"
[21:10] <diddledan> ...which leads to comic effect
[21:10] <diddledan> :-o
[21:10] <diddledan> OMG
[21:10]  * daftykins made it up
[21:10] <diddledan> you forgot the spoiler prefix :-p
[21:10] <daftykins> but it's a lieeeee
[21:11] <diddledan> how about you play the same movie 1 minute ahead
[21:11] <diddledan> with the audio equally loud
[21:11] <daftykins> i'd have to move all my gear into the bathroom to have a chance!
[21:11] <daftykins> i first noticed this guys lack of common decency when i was on the throne, i could hear what he was watching immediately through the wall
[21:11] <zmoylan-pi> spoiler prefix is not necessary as you're in your own home...
[21:12] <diddledan> lol
[21:12] <diddledan> I'm a good neighbour
[21:13] <daftykins> i can accept loud, but totally wide open window too?
[21:13] <daftykins> maybe when it was the heat wave, but it's quite cool again now
[21:13] <daftykins> plus he set his TV up in the floor upstairs compared to every other prior tenant
[21:14] <zmoylan-pi> be thankful he's not watching porn at 11 volume...
[21:14] <diddledan> ooh good idea
[21:14]  * diddledan puts porn on
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> and play farm animal noises on a different track to really really confuse them...
[21:17] <diddledan> why? there's farm animal noises in the porn track
[21:18]  * daftykins imitates a giraffe dying, out the window
[21:20] <diddledan> wow oracle issued updates to everything this month
[21:21] <diddledan> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/security-advisory/cpujul2016-2881720.html
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> do it while every sysadmin is on holiday... :-)
[21:30] <diddledan> http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/24/yahoo-will-reportedly-be-acquired-by-verizon-in-4-8-billion-deal/?utm_content=buffer10458&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[21:30] <diddledan> ewww . sorry for the evil link
[21:31] <zmoylan-pi> if you want a really evil url... http://shadyurl.com/
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> i did like the news that the oil trading industry has been using yahoo im for ages as the defacto standard and that is been shut down so they're scrambling to find a new service
[21:54] <isleofmandan> Ever since OTA-11, my phone can't connect to my wifi. I've just upgraded my laptop to 16.04 and it couldn't either using the applet, but yet it can if I use nmtui. Does that give a clue as to how I can make phone work?
[21:55] <daftykins> turned the AP / router off and back on? i once helped a person for far too long which this fixed.
[21:55] <daftykins> they had lied about doing it the first time
[21:56] <daftykins> ugh this undesirable neighbour has their TV mounted against the wall onto my place
[21:56] <isleofmandan> I have 3 access points, and it's consistent across all of them. (I've rebooted them all too!). I think it's a problem cause by me using maximum length SSID and maximum length WPA2 passphrases. If I create a hotspot with my phone with short name and key, it's fine.
[21:57] <daftykins> so change them and confirm?
[21:57] <daftykins> you shouldn't let any unreasonable security paranoia encroach on functionality
[21:58] <isleofmandan> I think that's the conclusion I'm coming to, but it's clearly a regression. Laptop was fine on earlier Ubuntu and so was phone! What does nmtui do that applet doesn't?
[21:58] <daftykins> ok but as soon as you *confirm* you can produce logs and file a bug
[21:59] <daftykins> but if your nickname is to be believed, then you're somewhere that anyone could care less about hacking a wifi network :) so again the sanity over settings comes into question
[21:59] <isleofmandan> Ah that would be a good idea, wouldn't it. I'm rubbish at knowing which logs to include and what to file in bug reports though!  Let me go reconfigure one of AP's and see...
[22:00] <daftykins> the first respondant would ask for more if they needed it, i'm sure
[22:02] <isleofmandan> proved my theory. Shortening the passphrase allows connection. I've not changed the SSID.
[22:03] <isleofmandan> ubuntu phone can now connect too, so it probably has same bug
[22:05] <diddledan> sherlock 4 trailer: https://www.facebook.com/Sherlock.BBCW/videos/869598476474082/
[22:06] <diddledan> isleofmandan: if you can figure-out the exact maximum length of the password to add into a bug report I'm sure whoever looks at it will be grateful
[22:06] <isleofmandan> OK. I'll have a play. Might just go pour a beer first... ;)
[22:06] <diddledan> beer is always useful
[22:07] <daftykins> isleofmandan: you're sure it isn't over spec?
[22:07] <daftykins> like how many characters are we talking, before and after?
[22:08] <diddledan> isleofmandan: if you feel inclined, then check that it also fails with a password of all a's at a longer-length within spec
[22:09] <daftykins> that sounds good
[22:09] <diddledan> daftykins: unlike your neighbour's telly :-p
[22:09] <diddledan> telly doesn't sound good :-D
[22:10] <daftykins> ;D
[22:11] <daftykins> well judging from the range it probably isn't so bad in there, for us neighbours however...
[22:13] <isleofmandan> One AP was set at 32 chars, the other APs are 30 chars. So 30 is too many.
[22:16] <isleofmandan> I think they can be 63 chars long according to spec?
[22:19] <isleofmandan> 29 chars seems to work fine, so it breaks at 30
[22:21] <isleofmandan> for the laptop, however 29 still seems too many for the phone.
[22:21] <isleofmandan> oh no, it's not. It was just taking a while to think about it.
[22:22] <isleofmandan> so, same behaviour with laptop and phone. WPA2 AES key of 30 chars is too many, but 29 is OK.
[22:23] <isleofmandan> but you can use longer if you configure with nmtui
[22:24] <isleofmandan> Can anyone reproduce the problem? If so, I'll think about working out how to report it as a bug.
[22:26] <diddledan> password max is 63 chars and ssid is maximum of 32bytes
[22:26] <diddledan> per spec
[22:26] <diddledan> took a while for me to find those though :-)
[22:26] <daftykins> must not have your specs on to see the specs
[22:27] <diddledan> I don't have an ubuntu phone :-(
[22:27] <daftykins> that just means you don't have to stop and install an update before you call an ambulance
[22:27] <isleofmandan> I've only had to fiddle passwords. SSIDs are still as long as they were.
[22:28] <isleofmandan> I'd ignored phone as it had stopped connecting to wifi. It's only when I've upgraded laptop tonight that I realised something else was afoot.
[22:30] <isleofmandan> Thinking about it, I'd done an in-place upgrade to 16.04 and it was connected. I've just done a clean install now and it didn't. So I think it's more to do with how the applet accepts the input. Getting the key in already from a previous version, or via nmtui and all is OK.
[22:30] <daftykins> you've already reproduced it on two devices, so repeat it by adjusting the length to find the character limit where it does + doesn't work, then file that
[22:30] <isleofmandan> It's 30 chars where it breaks.
[22:30] <daftykins> so 29 ok, 30 no?
[22:30] <isleofmandan> yes
[22:31] <daftykins> yeah, could be - you could also try setting up the connection manually instead of selecting a visible network
[22:31] <daftykins> though i've a feeling this is the part where you say you hide SSID so have to do manual...
[22:31] <isleofmandan> I'm not paranoid ;)  SSID is broadcast.
[22:33] <isleofmandan> BTW, I'm impressed at how IRC doesn't kick me out even though laptop is disappearing from wifi lots :)
[22:33] <diddledan> ok, so it doesn't work on 16.04 freshly installed? (did you install from 16.04.1 from this week or the original iso from april?)
[22:33] <isleofmandan> I may have missed some replies though :)
[22:34] <diddledan> I've got a space pc I can test with, so I'll do that
[22:34] <isleofmandan> 16.04.1 downloaded tonight, and MD5 sum checked first.
[22:35] <diddledan> right-oh
[22:38] <isleofmandan> I first noticed problem with phone on OTA-11
[22:38] <daftykins> diddledan: rocket man laptop?
[22:38] <daftykins> ;D
[22:38] <daftykins> spaaaaaaaace PC
[22:39] <diddledan><PHONE_NUMBER> bytes (1.5 GB, 1.4 GiB) copied, 0.623893 s, 2.4 GB/s
[22:39] <diddledan> that was far too fast
[22:39] <diddledan> over USB2
[22:40] <diddledan> it was the correct device, too
[22:40] <isleofmandan> That's how fast it was written to the hardware cache ;)   Now try sudo sync
[22:40] <diddledan> aye
[22:41] <isleofmandan> (I learned about that after pulling USB keys out when dd had said it had finished at some crazy speed, and finding they didn't work..)
[22:42] <daftykins> that definitely came in at some point, so some behaviour must've changed between versions
[22:55] <diddledan> neither 29 nor 30 chars work for me in passwords
[22:56] <daftykins> could be influenced by specific driver? assuming that, as is likely, you're not both using the same adapter
[22:56] <daftykins> though i suppose the phone wasn't the same either
[22:56] <diddledan> possibly - 20 chars also fails
[22:57] <diddledan> I think there's more problem than char limit
[22:58] <diddledan> let me just double-check I can login to my known-good network
[22:59] <isleofmandan> apologies, didn't realise I'd been disconnected
[23:00] <diddledan> yeah I can login to that one - with a 19char pass
[23:00]  * daftykins facepalms
[23:00] <daftykins> i've just been hunting for bulbs that were under my nose the entire evening
[23:00] <isleofmandan> It might be more complicated than number of characters. I've just had to drop to 28 characters to make a different passphrase work.
[23:00] <daftykins> you know that thing when you can't see it for seeing it :(
[23:13] <isleofmandan> Phone seems 'weaker' at this than laptop. I've now got a 28 char passphrase that laptop can do, but phone can't.
[23:13] <isleofmandan> And if I choose a repeated single character, phone can do 29
[23:13] <isleofmandan> so it's something complicated :)
[23:17] <diddledan> ok, I can connect with a 30 char password in 16.04.1 live iso
[23:17] <isleofmandan> oh :/
[23:18] <diddledan> I can also connect with 63 chars
[23:19] <isleofmandan> But you has problems earlier? I thought you'd had trouble with 29 & 30 ?
[23:19] <diddledan> I was wrong on that. I hadn't configured my router properly
[23:19] <isleofmandan> So it is just me. How odd.
[23:21] <diddledan> again, I can't check the phone 'cos I don't got one :-)
[23:21] <diddledan> but the live iso certainly seems to be ok for me
[23:22] <isleofmandan> Hmm. Only way I could get my laptop going on a longer than 29 char one was to use nmtui
[23:22] <diddledan> it works whether I use tkip key or aes key so it isn't a problem with that. next check is wpa vs wpa2
[23:23] <isleofmandan> Is the live iso booted to the desktop? Or are you putting the key in at the installer part?
[23:23] <diddledan> I'm using the standard desktop mode, yeah
[23:24] <isleofmandan> I wonder if it's a combination of SSID and key length? I think the actual keys get derived from the SSID and the PSK.
[23:24] <isleofmandan> Let me try a shorter SSID with a longer Key...
[23:24] <isleofmandan> but first let me move my IRC to my wired desktop ;)
[23:25] <diddledan> also works fine for me on wpa (as in the forerunner to wpa2 but the successor to wep) again both with aes and with tkip
[23:32] <isleofman_dan> I've now managed a 40 char key on both phone and laptop, by shortening SSID to one character, so it's something to do with both of them.
[23:33] <isleofman_dan> When it fails, neither phone or laptop even try to connect. There's no delay or anything. It's as if it ignores input to key entry.


[00:15] <ahoneybun> I had a flickering issue again, and again a reboot fixed it
[12:52] <manoja> Hi, I'm installing ubuntu in my nexus 4, and "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap" taking  long time
[12:52] <manoja> any idea ?


[18:47] <chilts> morning
[19:27] <Atamira> morena
[19:38] <ajmitch> morning
[19:59] <mwhudson> morning
[20:03] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:04] <ibeardslee> sorry I'm late .. had to do a PC replacement .. finally had enough of the PC doing random reboots
[20:15]  * chilts sends ibeardslee to the corner for being late - no excuses!
[20:54] <hads> morning
[21:50] <ojwb> morning
[23:28] <ajmitch> seems to be a bit wet outside
[23:36] <ojwb> just windy here
[23:36] <ojwb> though it was really hammering it down during the night
[23:38] <ajmitch> some flooding warnings issued for the south


[06:39] <Sp0tter> can anyone recommend a portable arm-based device for ubuntu that is under $200 and has wifi/touchscreen?   I've seen a lot of stuff from different comapnies in hong kong, most of them look fairly shady :)
[07:27] <tmzt_g2root> is there a solution for the pixmap auxv detection through /proc under qemu?
[07:27] <tmzt_g2root> qemu-arm
[08:25] <hrw> morning
[08:53] <lool> tmzt_g2root: There are ways to override what ld.so uses, but not auxv in general
[08:54] <tmzt_g2root> there's some proc support in qemu-arm though?
[08:55] <tmzt_g2root> I can probably just add what I need, I'm trying to track down a problem with X and need to see if hardware is a factor
[08:55] <tmzt_g2root> well, it's not ld.so, it's pixman reading from auxv itself
[08:56] <tmzt_g2root> pixman/pixman-cpu.c:    fd = open ("/proc/self/auxv", O_RDONLY);
[08:56] <tmzt_g2root> pixman/pixman-cpu.c:    while (read (fd, &aux, sizeof(Elf32_auxv_t)) == sizeof(E
[09:14] <lool> tmzt_g2root: Yes, qemu can't help with that
[09:14] <lool> tmzt_g2root: There isn't any proc emulation in qemu
[09:15] <lool> tmzt_g2root: You could not mount /proc and create a real directory there instead   ;)
[09:15] <tmzt_g2root> so, return true? :)
[09:15] <lool> tmzt_g2root: You need qemu machine emulation
[09:15] <ogra> well, qemu-system brings proc with it
[09:15] <lool> tmzt_g2root: Or use some env var to override the pixman detection
[09:15] <tmzt_g2root> ogra: qemu-system brings a kernel with it
[09:15] <ogra> sure
[09:15] <tmzt_g2root> lool: it doesn't seem to have an override
[09:16] <tmzt_g2root> was starting to like chroot with qemu-arm, but a lot of things don't work
[09:17] <ogra> nothing that requires real or fully emulated hardware, sure
[09:17] <ogra> its good for rolling images from binaries or to test binaries
[09:18] <ogra> if you have anything that depends on real HW its not your solution
[09:19] <tmzt_g2root> hmm, I think it implements the instructions though, depending on the -M setting, it just can't detect they're available
[09:19] <tmzt_g2root> I'll patch it
[09:19] <tmzt_g2root> pixman, not qemu
[09:19] <tmzt_g2root> no sens in slowing down every read() for one corner case
[09:19] <tmzt_g2root> somebody should learn to use libhwcap :)
[09:20] <ogra> file a bug upstream ;)
[09:21] <tmzt_g2root> hmm, what's a good kernel for basic arm stuff on qemu-system-arm?
[09:21] <tmzt_g2root> I'm tired of versatile
[09:21] <tmzt_g2root> as far as armv7
[09:22] <ogra> versatile is the only one with the qemu solutionn we have in the archive
[09:23] <ogra> there are other qemu builds we dont ship i.e. qemu-maemo7-omap
[09:23] <ogra> err
[09:23] <ogra> *qemu-maemo/-omap
[09:34] <tmzt_g2root> okay, so versatilepb works with an armv7 cpu?
[09:34] <tmzt_g2root> what kernel do you recommend for that, I only have the old debian one
[09:35] <lool> tmzt_g2root: We patch the kernel build to build versatile with armv7, but the real board doesn't have a v7 CPU
[09:35] <lool> tmzt_g2root: There's the Ubuntu versatile one
[09:36] <tmzt_g2root> okay, I've got qemu-maemo checked out, I'll look at ubuntu
[09:36] <lool> tmzt_g2root:
[09:36] <lool> http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/maverick/main/installer-armel/current/images/versatile/netboot/
[09:36] <tmzt_g2root> okay, thanks
[09:37] <lool> tmzt_g2root: qemu-system-arm -m 128 -M versatilepb -kernel vmlinuz -cpu cortex-a8
[09:58] <tmzt_g2root> lool: why doesn't this work?
[09:58] <tmzt_g2root> qemu-system-arm -m 128 -M versatilepb -kernel vmlinuz \
[09:58] <tmzt_g2root> -cpu cortex-a8 -sd androix-glibc-arm.img \
[09:58] <tmzt_g2root> -append "root=/dev/mmcblk0 rootwait console=tty0 init=/bin/sh"
[09:59] <tmzt_g2root> the img is a raw ext3
[09:59] <tmzt_g2root> but it panics not seeing /dev/mmcblk0 if I use rootdelay=2, or just sits there if I use rootwait
[09:59] <tmzt_g2root> does that kernel/hardware not support -sd ?
[10:00] <lool> tmzt_g2root: I don't know
[10:00] <tmzt_g2root> oh, initrd
[10:00] <tmzt_g2root> maybe
[10:00] <lool> well, the initrd should definitely have the module
[10:14] <tmzt_g2root> lool: this works
[10:14] <tmzt_g2root> /usr/bin/qemu-system-arm -m 128 -M versatilepb -kernel vmlinuz -cpu cortex-a8 -append "root=/dev/sda" -hda androix-glibc-arm.img
[10:14] <tmzt_g2root> it seems that while kernel supports the mmc device, either qemu doesn't support -sd with versatile or it doesn't have mmcblk support for some reason
[10:33] <hrw> tmzt_g2root: what does pixman tries to find out that way?
[10:34] <tmzt_g2root> if the vfp or neon instructions are there
[10:35] <hrw> tmzt_g2root: thats buildtime or runtime?
[10:35] <tmzt_g2root> runtime
[10:35] <tmzt_g2root> I think it uses something similar at buildtime though
[10:37] <hrw> it is crosscompilable so no check on buildtime rather
[10:37] <tmzt_g2root> seems it was developerd when distros supported multiple isas on arm
[10:38] <hrw> hmm.. OpenEmbedded has set of extra patches for pixman written by Nokia guys
[10:38] <tmzt_g2root> the HACK ones?
[10:39] <hrw> no idea - just looked
[11:54] <ogra_ac> ndec, do you plan a call today (i will be the only canonical atendee, rest is on thanksgiving vacation)
[12:32] <lool> tmzt_g2root: Good to know, thanks
[13:59] <tmzt_g2root> I can not think of any possible explaination for this http://pastebin.com/Eaav97FC
[13:59] <tmzt_g2root> there's a weird bug that's only exhibited in the second instance, which is running in a chroot (test-2)
[14:00] <tmzt_g2root> I've reproduced the same thing with the Xvfb binary from xvfb in maverick on armv7
[14:04] <jacquesdptd> hi guys
[14:05] <jacquesdptd> i have a wits a81-e wich seems to be built with an beagle board and omap3 cpu overclocked at 800 mhz with 256 mb of ram
[14:05] <jacquesdptd> anyway i'm comming to you cause it seems it could be possible to use ubuntu on it as an sd boot
[14:06] <jacquesdptd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[14:06] <jacquesdptd> i'm not the type of guy to go asking directly before searching
[14:06] <jacquesdptd> it now makes one week i'm working every evenings on it
[14:08] <jacquesdptd> thats why i'm comming to you in order to maybe find the one that'll make ubuntu work on that 200 tablet wich rocks by the way with Android Froyo 2.2 and flash 10.1
[14:09] <hrw> jacquesdptd: url to product?
[14:09] <jacquesdptd> that's why and also because i read it, i'm sure ubuntu can start on it as another guy managed already to launch angstrom but in a different way than the installation instruction
[14:09] <jacquesdptd> yes
[14:09] <jacquesdptd> one sec
[14:10] <jacquesdptd> in fact it's a witstech but here is the link of the reseller : http://mp4nation.net/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=68&products_id=430
[14:11] <jacquesdptd> if you wanna check the manufacturer page www.wistech.com.cn
[14:11] <tmzt_g2root> hrw: can you think of a case where two processes have mapped the same binaries but show different logical behave, and the failure mode is not random?
[14:11] <jacquesdptd> just take a look i'll then tell you what's happening when applying every intruction
[14:11] <ogra_ac> jacquesdptd, well, do you have a kernel and bootloader ? using the ubuntu rootfs shouldnt be a probelm
[14:12] <hrw> jacquesdptd: but 256MB ram will hurt
[14:12] <hrw> tmzt_g2root: I am not programmer
[14:13] <ogra_ac> 256M wont be much fun, yeah
[14:14] <hrw> but like av500 said once: show me source of larger pop modules...
[14:17] <jacquesdptd> hm have you heard about linaro ?
[14:18] <jacquesdptd> it boost any linux os for arm devices that really impressive
[14:18] <jacquesdptd> i watched it turn on youtube on a beagleboard just like mine maybe even worse and it was surprisingly running perfectly
[14:18] <jacquesdptd> ok i followed the official ubuntu page intruction
[14:19] <jacquesdptd> where they are not talking at all about rootfs
[14:19] <jacquesdptd> assuming i know i could try the rootfs solution and make my saucage alone
[14:20] <jacquesdptd> but as they are proposing a preinstalled and perfect image, i don't see why it shouldnt work, just finished instruction gonna try again to boot the sd card
[14:20] <jacquesdptd> i gave you all links in order to see intructions i'm following
[14:20] <jacquesdptd> maybe there's one missing
[14:20] <ogra_ac> well, its unlikely that the default omap3 ubuntu kernel works out of the box on your device
[14:20] <jacquesdptd> thtis one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP/
[14:21] <ogra_ac> also the bootloader setup we use is focused on beagles
[14:22] <jacquesdptd> and download link
[14:22] <jacquesdptd> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/
[14:22] <jacquesdptd> i understand totally what you mean
[14:22] <jacquesdptd> i'm using ubuntu for 7 years
[14:22] <jacquesdptd> well the thing is it sure does something as the screen doesn't light up at all on my device
[14:23] <hrw> so much longer then I do ;D
[14:23] <jacquesdptd> and without inserted sd, it does boot and light up
[14:23] <ogra_ac> hrw, even longer than ubuntu exists ;)
[14:23] <jacquesdptd> thats not a problem, but just to tell i'll understand fzst what you'll explain me
[14:24] <hrw> ogra_ac: nice :D
[14:24] <ogra_ac> jacquesdptd, well, as i said above, the kernel on our images will likely not boot on your device
[14:24] <ogra_ac> nor will the bootloader config work out of the box
[14:25] <jacquesdptd> and could you help me find the right kernel ?
[14:25] <jacquesdptd> first i would have liked to see at least the bootloader
[14:25] <jacquesdptd> then i wouldd have gone into searching the right kernel
[14:25] <ogra_ac> no, you need to ask the manufacturer of your device for the correct patches
[14:25] <ogra_ac> for the bootloader you likely need some kind of serial access to your device
[14:25] <ogra_ac> if they use u-boot
[14:26] <jacquesdptd> but how can i find the bootloader, could i give you the link for typicall flash files for Android on my device that way you could tell me wich correspond to wich
[14:26] <ogra_ac> if they dont that will get more tricky
[14:26] <ogra_ac> but as hrw already said, running ubuntu on a 256M device will be dog slow
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> wow cool
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> new firmware update
[14:27] <ogra_ac> we are fully focusing on 512M devices
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> just saw it
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> http://bbs.witstech.com.cn/dispbbs.asp?boardid=10&id=3104&page=0&star=2
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> well at the end of the page
[14:27] <ogra_ac> (or bigger)
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> but i saw ubuntu mobile running perfectly
[14:27] <jacquesdptd> why are they saying 256 is sufficient, do you know linaro ?
[14:28] <ogra_ac> yes, we all do
[14:28] <ogra_ac> linaro does most of its development in the ubuntu archive
[14:28] <ogra_ac> we use plenty of their work
[14:28] <ogra_ac> (half of the people in this channel are linaro guys)
[14:29] <hrw> ;D
[14:29] <jacquesdptd> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r_eBSywKOg&feature=player_embedded
[14:29]  * ogra_ac has no flash on his arm laptop
[14:29] <jacquesdptd> that rocks, i was really happy to see that
[14:30] <hrw> ogra_ac: html5?
[14:30] <ogra_ac> in any case i think its unlikely that linaro has a working kernel for your device either
[14:30] <ogra_ac> hrw, works fine on the test pages, doesnt work on youtube at all
[14:31] <jacquesdptd> first i would like to know how to fix the boot loader in order to see anything when trying to flash
[14:31] <ogra_ac> hrw, http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody/test.html i can watch that fine
[14:31] <jacquesdptd> then i would search for the right kernel
[14:31] <ogra_ac> jacquesdptd, first get a serial connection working
[14:31] <jacquesdptd> if only i had a serial port
[14:31] <jacquesdptd> i have no
[14:32] <ogra_ac> also for linaro questions, probably ask in #linaro
[14:32] <jacquesdptd> good idea
[14:32] <jacquesdptd> but for the boot loader
[14:32] <ogra_ac> (though they wont have support for your device either)
[14:32] <jacquesdptd> without any serial port it wont be possible to do anything ?
[14:32] <ogra_ac> you wont be able to adjust anything
[14:32] <jacquesdptd> they are mentionning to support the exact board i have in my device
[14:33] <ogra_ac> so if it has a hardcoded setup to boot android its unlikely that you can easily work around that
[14:33] <jacquesdptd> that's why i falled on them
[14:33] <ogra_ac> well, then let them help you
[14:33] <ogra_ac> i dont think they support much beyond beagle igep2 and n900 for omap3
[14:34] <jacquesdptd> you are taking bad the fact i'm saying that in the video i just gave you the link of upper they are showing how to use linaro with a beagle board as example ,
[14:34] <jacquesdptd> ?
[14:34] <jacquesdptd> you know i'm searching for help, not for a winner that would have better solution and would advice me to go see those who better knows
[14:34] <ogra_ac> no idea, as i said, my arm netbook doesnt have flash
[14:35] <ogra_ac> i cant see your video
[14:35] <jacquesdptd> that's why then
[14:35] <ogra_ac> i know they support beagles
[14:35] <ogra_ac> as we do
[14:35] <jacquesdptd> then i do tell it to you if you neither can't read the webite
[14:35] <ogra_ac> (only the ones with 512M though(
[14:35] <ogra_ac> linaro might also support the lower specced ones
[14:36] <ogra_ac> that doesnt help you with your kernel or bootloader though
[14:36] <ogra_ac> their userspace is identical to ours
[14:36] <ogra_ac> we only differ in kernels
[14:36] <jacquesdptd> well first, i would like to achieve this goal wih can be achieved with people helping me, then i'll see if it is too slow, the goal is to build tablets with ubuntu emmbed for ppl who wants it for less than 200 box
[14:36] <ogra_ac> and in the way we build images
[14:37] <jacquesdptd> but i'm maybe alone to be trying to help the ppl discover it
[14:37] <jacquesdptd> i understand
[14:38] <ogra_ac> their image build process is more complex, you need to build your image on your own or assemble it from different bits
[14:38] <jacquesdptd> but as i said, with my exact board i saw ubuntu running, ppl have even managed to run 10.04, but it seems 10.10 could be even a lot better
[14:38] <ogra_ac> we provide ready made images in ubuntu but only for a certain set of boards
[14:38] <jacquesdptd> they didn't report any lag by the way
[14:38] <jacquesdptd> only problems of hw drivers such as bluetooth etc.........
[14:38] <ogra_ac> well, all i can say is talk to linaro in #linaro
[14:39] <jacquesdptd> ok thx a lot
[14:39] <ogra_ac> if they have support for your board as you say then they should be able to help you
[14:39] <jacquesdptd> would have been cool to find at least the solution for your bootloader
[14:39] <jacquesdptd> but as you dont have any flash
[14:39] <ogra_ac> ??
[14:39] <jacquesdptd> the bootloader doesn't show anything
[14:39] <jacquesdptd> i think the problem is about resolution
[14:40] <jacquesdptd> 800x400
[14:40] <jacquesdptd> but on files given officially i do not know at all how and wich to modify
[14:40] <ogra_ac> well, if the beagle bootloader is supposed to work on your device, feel free to adjust boot.scr
[14:40] <ogra_ac> it carries the resolution settings
[14:40] <jacquesdptd> that's what i wanted to know
[14:40] <jacquesdptd> how does it work ?
[14:40] <jacquesdptd> how to adjust boot.scr ?
[14:40] <ogra_ac> you need to adjust the kernel cmdline
[14:41] <jacquesdptd> just by editing it ?
[14:41] <ogra_ac> its linked from the wiki somewhere
[14:41] <ogra_ac> no
[14:41] <jacquesdptd> ok
[14:41] <jacquesdptd> phone
[14:41] <jacquesdptd> k
[14:41] <jacquesdptd> i think i got the page
[14:41] <jacquesdptd> i collected more than 20 pages on the subject this week
[14:42] <jacquesdptd> seeing that i was not alone in my quest and that some people maybe smarter than me understood how to make it work , but would prefer to do it alone
[14:43] <jacquesdptd> as i said , achieving this little dream to be able to sell an Ubuntu Mobile version Tablet for 200 box would be really cool
[14:43] <jacquesdptd> assuming i'm gonna try those new cortex a9 dual core that seems to be very very promising
[14:45] <hrw> eh.
[14:46] <jacquesdptd> then you are saying, there a way to modify a line in the boot.src file (wch is not existing in my flash files when i do flash for android and firmware) and to tell him to adujst resolution ?
[14:47] <hrw> just read it
[14:47] <jacquesdptd> i'm sure that if the boot loader would launch i would go straight to the right kernel
[14:48] <jacquesdptd> BIG STUPID ME
[14:48] <jacquesdptd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleEditBootscr
[14:48] <jacquesdptd> i'm sure you all do agree
[14:48] <jacquesdptd> how comes i didn't saw it in a week
[14:48] <jacquesdptd> sorry ://
[14:50] <ogra_ac> it wont help you with the bootloader in NAND though, it will only help you if the device runs a bootloader from SD too
[14:52] <jacquesdptd> hrm ?
[14:52] <jacquesdptd> sure
[14:52] <jacquesdptd> i just wanna start ubuntu from sd
[14:52] <jacquesdptd> as said
[14:53] <ogra_ac> which means that your bootloader in NAND needs to support that
[14:53] <ogra_ac> as said
[14:53] <ogra_ac> but try it yourself
[14:54] <jacquesdptd> oh i understand
[14:54] <jacquesdptd> that's why
[14:55] <jacquesdptd> setenv bootcmd 'mmc init;fatload mmc 0 0x82000000 boot.scr;source 0x82000000'; setenv autostart yes; saveenv; boot
[14:55] <jacquesdptd> they are talking about modified nand on the page
[14:55] <jacquesdptd> that's what you are talking about right ?
[14:55] <ogra_ac> no
[14:55] <ogra_ac> iÄm talking about the bootloader installed on your device
[14:56] <jacquesdptd> it does work the same, throught flashing
[14:56] <jacquesdptd> with mlo files and all on sd
[14:56] <ogra_ac> the line above is clearly for a beagleboard with u-boot preinstalled
[14:56] <ogra_ac> you dont have a beagleboard
[14:56] <ogra_ac> ok
[14:56] <jacquesdptd> anyway as said upper ppl managed to launch angstrom and ubuntu 10.04
[14:57] <jacquesdptd> ok i understand
[14:57] <ogra_ac> then just try to adjust boot.scr and check
[14:57] <jacquesdptd> but as i'm not booting from inside nand
[14:57] <jacquesdptd> btu from sd
[14:57] <jacquesdptd> idon't understand
[14:57] <ogra_ac> just adjust the line and try
[14:58] <jacquesdptd> ok, thx a lot for your help, a friend of mine just arrived
[14:59] <jacquesdptd> i'll come back later, i do appreciate a lot the fact you tried to help me questino after question without loosing control as it can happen sometimes
[15:00] <jacquesdptd> by the way i've been the first guy to start ubuntu on iphone 3g
[15:00] <jacquesdptd> www.youtube.com/jacquesdupontd
[15:00] <jacquesdptd> i hopefull for the bench of my tablet
[15:01] <jacquesdptd> bbl
[18:59] <Kamondelious> How long should Maverick be displaying "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." before it does something else?
[18:59] <Kamondelious> I'm using a BeagleBoard rev C3
[19:06] <topfs2> try restarting, I've had that before with beagle. sometimes it just fails to boot
[19:06] <topfs2> (it shouldnt wait there more than a few seconds)
[19:07] <topfs2> think changing uboot helped me
[19:09] <Kamondelious> ahh, ok, so an hour is way to long
[19:10] <Kamondelious> thanks topfs2
[19:12] <topfs2> np :)
[20:00] <ogra_ac> Kamondelious, depends where you look
[20:00] <ogra_ac> on a serial console an ubuntu image will never show anything more by default
[20:00] <ogra_ac> on HDMI/DVI it should move on
[20:36] <Kamondelious> ogra, oh!  ok, thanks
[20:37] <Kamondelious> I didn't turn it on as I expected to see more
[20:39] <Kamondelious> hahaha, yeah it seems to be working, need to set the screen res so I can see it, but Ctrl+Alt+Del reboots it from the attached keyboard
[20:39] <Kamondelious> so that's a good sign
[20:43] <topfs2> oh right, forgot that ubuntu doesn't have serial by default :)
[20:43] <topfs2> that one got me also :)