[09:49] <jsgotangco> drcoded, probably bad media?
[09:49] <drcoded> any one setup it
[09:50] <drcoded> I did gave in sourecs.list the location of there web site
[09:50] <drcoded> net
[09:50] <drcoded> I have old g200 and I want it to support 3d
[09:50] <drcoded> with dri
[09:50] <drcoded> the dri dosnt come with ubuntu ?
[09:52] <threat> G'Day
[09:52] <drcoded> jsgotangco :did U install it?
[09:52] <drcoded> it need XFree86
[09:52] <bob2> lots of dri stuff comes with ubuntu
[09:52] <drcoded> ubuntu come with xorg
[09:52] <bob2> hoary does, yes
[09:53] <drcoded> but I still can't see driect: yes
[09:53] <drcoded> in glxinfo it give me sgi direct:no
[09:53] <bob2> the mga dri module comes with ubuntu
[09:53] <bob2> and x.org
[09:53] <bob2> etc
[09:53] <drcoded> realy
[09:53] <luke> hey does anyone know where to find some howtos on making your own mouse cursors in linux?
[09:53] <fsapo> ?? dri
[09:53] <[uhelp] > dri[x] : No defenition found for word.
[09:54] <threat> yes NVIDIA GLX under Ubuntu, thats pretty much trivial isn't it?
[09:54] <drcoded> so how come it still not give me direct:yes
[09:54] <bob2> threat: yes
[09:54] <bob2> threat: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:54] <Myrtti> hum
[09:54] <drcoded> direct reading: no
[09:54] <drcoded> I did by wiki
[09:54] <threat> bob2, w00t
[09:54] <drcoded> 1 by 1
[09:54] <threat> thanx, "bob"
[09:55] <fsapo> drcoded, what lsmod | grep nvidia gives you?
[09:55] <fsapo> is nvidia the module name?
[09:56] <fsapo> here is fglrx
[09:56] <bob2> fsapo: er, drcoded has a matrox card
[09:56] <fsapo> O.o
[09:56] <fsapo> thought it was a nvidia haha
[09:56] <luke> does anyone know where to find some howtos on making your own mouse cursors in linux?
[09:56] <Ubuntico> #ubuntu #ubuntu-es #linuxpreview #debian-es #debian-do #php-es
[09:56] <fsapo> luke, www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[09:56] <drcoded> I dont have nvidia
[09:57] <drcoded> I have matrox g200
[09:57] <bob2> fsapo: language, please
[09:57] <bob2> you will not be warned again
[09:57] <drcoded> also in nvidia it didnt work
[09:57] <bob2> drcoded: is X loading the DRI module?
[09:57] <drcoded> ys
[09:57] <drcoded> yes
[09:57] <fsapo> bob2, sorry =[
[09:57] <drcoded> load "DRI"
[09:57] <drcoded> and Loca
[09:57] <drcoded>  load "glx"
[09:57] <Ubuntico> $channel
[09:58] <luke> belive me I have fsapo
[09:58] <bob2> drcoded: please file a bug on xserver-xorg, including your Xorg.conf, your X.log (from /var/log/), the output of 'dmesg', 'lspci -n', 'lspci' and 'lsmod'.
[09:58] <drcoded> i need glcore?
[09:58] <drcoded> also to load?
[09:59] <fsapo> luke, http://www.google.com.br/search?num=20&hl=pt-BR&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=howto+gnome+mouse+cursors&btnG=Pesquisar&meta=lr%3Dlang_en%7Clang_pt
[09:59] <fsapo> luke, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Animated_Mouse_Cursor
[10:00] <luke> fsapo thankyou
[10:00] <drcoded> I need also to load modprobe mga ?
[10:00] <drcoded> or dri?
[10:01] <bob2> drcoded: please file a bug
[10:01] <Alien_II> wow
[10:01] <threat> bob2, would wouldnt happen to know if there are any Ubuntu wiki's regarding regular users being able to cancel their own print jobs?
[10:01] <Alien_II> how do u file a bug ?
[10:01] <bob2> threat: no, sorry
[10:01] <Alien_II> cool.. u gonna start adding bugs too ?
[10:01] <bob2> Alien_II: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, for now
[10:01] <Alien_II> isn't bugzilla for bug reports?
[10:02] <Alien_II> i thought u wanted to implement more bugs :/
[10:02] <Alien_II> *hides*
[10:02] <bob2> er, ok then
[10:03] <HelenClark> Is Kaffeine Player Legal?
[10:04] <bob2> "legal"?
[10:05] <HelenClark> yes, in the US
[10:05] <HelenClark> It plays EVERY video format
[10:05] <bob2> as much as anything using mp3 decoders are, I suppose
[10:05] <HelenClark> and with libdvd it is one of the best DVD players I have ever used
[10:05] <HelenClark> I am new to FOSS
[10:06] <bob2> then it probably violates numerous patents
[10:06] <bob2> and copyrights, if it uses windows dlls
[10:07] <Alien_II> hrrrmm
[10:07] <Alien_II> re Kaffeine
[10:08] <Alien_II> sounds like something Lindows should sponsor
[10:08] <RTN> I would say that ubuntuguide is a fabulous piece of artwork.
[10:08] <Alien_II> for all of linux
[10:08] <Alien_II> so that we stop flaming that michael idiot
[10:08] <Alien_II> :P
[10:08] <RTN> but... too much information....
[10:08] <Alien_II> RTN: but wait...
[10:08] <fsapo> :oO
[10:09] <RTN> i wonder how recent windows converts handle that...? :)
[10:09] <Alien_II> u are providing a link that provides a link that provides a link.. to ILLEGAL SOFTWARE!!!
[10:09] <Alien_II> oh nose!!:)
[10:09] <RTN> shaisse, as they say in England :P
[10:09] <RTN> or was it Paris?
[10:09] <Alien_II> haha
[10:10] <RTN> and i was actually planning a question about w32codecs :P
[10:10] <Alien_II> u know i really like (K)ubuntu
[10:10] <Kisain> i was thinkning of satrting an ubuntu blog
[10:10] <Alien_II> i used to use mandrake and debian
[10:10] <Alien_II> mandrake's config tools are cool
[10:10] <Alien_II> however...
[10:10] <RTN> i used another debian based non-knoppix before...
[10:10] <Alien_II> in (k)ubuntu i did not need config tools
[10:10] <Alien_II> cuz everything just worked
[10:10] <Alien_II> lol
[10:10] <Airo> kynaptic sucked arse
[10:10] <Alien_II> ye
[10:10] <RTN> all of my hardware is working i believe...
[10:10] <Alien_II> kynaptic _DOES_ suck "arse" as u put it
[10:11] <Alien_II> synaptic is much better
[10:11] <Alien_II> however
[10:11] <RTN> i have not tried infrared and cardreader, but i don't use them anyway.
[10:11] <Airo> :)
[10:11] <Alien_II> apt-get is even better:P
[10:11] <RTN> apt-get is the king.
[10:11] <Alien_II> wha
[10:11] <Airo> yeah, was just thinking of the normal users
[10:11] <Alien_II> i thought it was the queen
[10:11] <RTN> i liked the kpackage ...
[10:11] <Alien_II> thats why people liked it
[10:11] <Airo> win->lin switchers etc
[10:11] <RTN> it shows the description of the package ...
[10:11] <bob2> Airo: try synaptic
[10:11] <bob2> please file bugs if you have suggestions
[10:11] <fsapo> news about ubuntu :) Ubuntu Linux backer tackles collaboration: http://www.builderau.com.au/program/work/0,39024650,39186843,00.htm
[10:11] <Airo> bob2, have it already
[10:11] <Airo> And I like using cmdline myself
[10:12] <Alien_II> yep
[10:12] <Alien_II> i like guis and stuff
[10:12] <Alien_II> but when it comes to installing in linux
[10:12] <Alien_II> i tend to use console
[10:12] <bob2> that's the same article as was on zdnet
[10:12] <Alien_II> konsole even
[10:12] <Alien_II> lol
[10:12] <Alien_II> even in mandrake i did that
[10:12] <RTN> actually i have a problem. i would like to install some stuff which is not in ubuntu reprositories, and.... ftp is closed...
[10:12] <RTN> how should i proceed?
[10:12] <Alien_II> urpmi bla bla
[10:12] <Alien_II> etc
[10:12] <Alien_II> :P
[10:12] <RTN> go to nearest wifi hotspot? :)
[10:12] <Airo> Well.. I'm an ex gentoo/crux/sourcemage user :)
[10:12] <Airo> so console is the thing ;)
[10:12] <fsapo> bob2, just saw it in the newsforge mainpage
[10:13] <RTN> console kicks ass. kicked mine 15 minutes ago. will do again in half an hour... :)
[10:13] <bob2> RTN: for instance?
[10:13] <RTN> tuxracer
[10:13] <RTN> tuxcart
[10:13] <bob2> both are in ubuntu
[10:13] <RTN> son wants them.
[10:13] <RTN> huh?
[10:13] <ritalin> Can anyone help me out with some hardware buying?
[10:13] <Alien_II> i had a similar problem where stuff didnt show in rep
[10:13] <bob2> ritalin: best to just ask your question
[10:14] <Alien_II> so i just downloaded them from that ubuntu packages thing
[10:14] <Alien_II> and dpkg -i 'd them
[10:14] <bob2> RTN: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:14] <ritalin> I need to know what kind if harddrive this mobo can use
[10:14] <ritalin> http://www2.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=0-N82E16856119002
[10:14] <ritalin> it says 2x ATA 133
[10:14] <HelenClark> There needs to be a law that prevents school districts from Using Windows
[10:14] <ritalin> not sure what that means
[10:14] <HelenClark> we are firing teachers
[10:14] <HelenClark> while spending 100K"s on MS Licenses
[10:14] <fsapo> HelenClark, haha
[10:14] <HelenClark> its absurd
[10:15] <fsapo> HelenClark, bill gates is a little upset with the brazillian government :)
[10:15] <HelenClark> good for them
[10:15] <fsapo> HelenClark, here they are using linux in a lot os public stuff, like libraries, schools, etc
[10:15] <Kisain> shoulden't the world be upset with bill gates?
[10:15] <HelenClark> we are begining to do that
[10:15] <HelenClark> but they should pass legislation
[10:15] <Kisain> for forcing them to use crappy software?
[10:16] <Kisain> with major securety flaws?
[10:16] <fsapo> HelenClark, in my city's central library the computers uses linux with kde and openoffice
[10:16] <HelenClark> that is VERY smart
[10:16] <transgress> crap
[10:16] <RTN> ouch, bob2, thank you very much for answering my SUQ
[10:17] <transgress> i keep messing stuff up on this new install heh
[10:17] <transgress> brb
[10:17] <RTN> stupid user question....
[10:17] <goo> hello :)
[10:17] <transgress> hey does anyone know why turning dma on would lock up my dvd drive?
[10:17] <HelenClark> i still can't get over how easy Ubuntu is to configure
[10:17] <Burgundavia> transgress, you have an older drive that does that
[10:18] <goo> In phpinfo() i recently discovered that the mysql client api was version 3.23.56 - how do I get the 4.1-series?
[10:18] <transgress> Burgundavia: umm... nope... brand new hardware
[10:18] <Burgundavia> hmm, then it would be a bug I suspect
[10:18] <ivoks> ugh.... hi
[10:19] <ivoks> imagine this problem
[10:19] <ivoks> I have Desktop dir
[10:19] <ivoks> but my gnome desktop is empty
[10:19] <ivoks> it didn't even set right wallpaper
[10:20] <ivoks> hm... not even right button on desktop works
[10:20] <hotpie> hello
[10:20] <ivoks> and that's after last update
[10:20] <ivoks> something is broken
[10:21] <hotpie> can someone help me stop x on ubuntu
[10:21] <hotpie> its for installing nvidia driver
[10:21] <Kisain> i gots a new flat panel monitor yay ^_^
[10:21] <ivoks> hotpie /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[10:21] <bob2> ivoks: make a new user.  does that user experience that problem?
[10:21] <bob2> hotpie: no, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:21] <bob2> no need to stop X
[10:21] <Kisain> ubuntu looks awsome on a 47 in monitor
[10:21] <Kisain> ^_^
[10:22] <ivoks> bob2 sec... reinstalin some gnome-desktop data...
[10:22] <k31th> 47 inch "!
[10:23] <Kisain> yup
[10:23] <hotpie> bob2, how do i do it then?
[10:23] <k31th> im going to ubuntu this laptop
[10:23] <hotpie> the installer asks me to stop x
[10:23] <hotpie> and generates an error
[10:24] <ivoks> bob2 nope, new user doesn't have that problems... wait till i try my user again
[10:24] <bob2> hotpie: read that page
[10:24] <hotpie> which page?
[10:24] <Kisain> the next laptop i buy will have ubuntu if it's not one of those stupid wincrap only ones :/
[10:25] <hotpie> Kisain, make sure its NOT one of those before u buy it ;)
[10:25] <Kisain> how to tell?
[10:25] <jsgotangco> Kisain, that would be great
[10:25] <hotpie> do some research
[10:25] <hotpie> ive been able to put linux on any ibm or dell
[10:25] <hotpie> both nice brands
[10:26] <hotpie> bob2, read which page?
[10:26] <|Fjellheim|> Hey i am wondering if it is possible to use Ubuntu on ip.no.com??
[10:27] <simca> Hi, I've got a problem with an ISDN-card on an fresh Kubuntu (Hoary) installation.
[10:27] <|Fjellheim|> ip-no.com
[10:27] <simca> I installed it according to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/IsdnHowtoHoary
[10:27] <simca> pon / poff works just fine
[10:27] <bob2> hotpie: ...
[10:27] <bob2> 18:21:48 @         bob2 | hotpie: no, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:28] <simca> But the person who is supposed to work with that machine would be very happy about a gui
[10:28] <simca> Something like kppp...
[10:28] <ivoks> bob2 it was nautilus problem... he took 100% CPU :) freezed :)
[10:28] <Kisain> i should start a company to combat mirotard make linux only machenes ^_^
[10:28] <simca> But i just don't get kppp to work. Has anyone already done this?
[10:29] <drcoded> hi all
[10:29] <simca> Oh, I forgot: The problem seems to be the following:
[10:29] <drcoded> well I need to install xlibmesa
[10:29] <drcoded> and xserver-xfree86-dri ?
[10:29] <simca> pon creates a device /dev/capi/0, kppp doesn't
[10:30] <drcoded> or it is in ubuntu by default
[10:30] <|Fjellheim|> Ok, well let me ask this way, is there a server page for ubuntu??
[10:30] <bob2> |Fjellheim|: you need to be more specific
[10:30] <drcoded> ubunutu use xfree86?
[10:30] <bob2> |Fjellheim|: yes, of course you can have a no-ip.com hostname pointing at an ubuntu machine
[10:30] <bob2> drcoded: no, hoary uses x.org
[10:30] <drcoded> k
[10:31] <drcoded> so the DRI for xfree86 will not work
[10:31] <|Fjellheim|> k thx
[10:32] <hotpie> bob2 thank u
[10:32] <hotpie> im very new to linux, do i need to restart for drivers to take effect?
[10:33] <bob2> yes
[10:33] <bob2> just reboot
[10:33] <hotpie> k brb
[10:35] <fsapo> anyone here tried the new azureus?
[10:37] <RTN> i have sources.list file as it came with default hoary installation, can't find tuxracer there...
[10:37] <bob2> RTN: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[10:37] <bob2> please read that
[10:37] <bob2> tuxracer is in "universe"
[10:38] <RTN> all right... thank you again...
[10:39] <fsapo> bob2, where are you in the globe? usa?
[10:40] <bob2> Australia.
[10:40] <fsapo> bob2, nice :) what time it is there?
[10:41] <bob2> 1839
[10:41] <fsapo> O.o
[10:42] <fsapo> 5:41am here.. and i m waiting my coffee ;)
[10:42] <drcoded> the x.org come with dri built in>\
[10:43] <fsapo> drcoded, i think that the dri is installed automaticaly with the xorg
[10:43] <fsapo> drcoded, btw is just a guessing :)
[10:45] <airbus> im having some tough trouble if anyone is interested in helping :-)
[10:46] <bob2> you need to ask a question first
[10:46] <airbus> im trying to import my bookmarks on firefox from another harddrive
[10:46] <airbus> drive is mounted just fine
[10:46] <simca> *sigh* I really love Linux, but installation of ISDN-cards is a real pain in the ass *sigh again*
[10:46] <airbus> but when i browse for file, i dont have access to read the drive
[10:46] <airbus> and its not terminal so i cant rly sudo it..
[10:47] <fsapo> airbus, thats easy
[10:47] <fsapo> airbus, its a ntfs partition?
[10:47] <airbus> yes
[10:47] <fsapo> airbus, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mountunmountntfs
[10:48] <fsapo> airbus, just make this page your start page haha
[10:48] <Unfrgiven> hey all. during the installation of ubuntu, i chose to "configure network later". how do i bring up the network configuration utility again?
[10:48] <fsapo> airbus, its very very useufull
[10:49] <snader> does anyone here know a curses, or at least text-based, interactive bittorrent client?
[10:49] <fsapo> Unfrgiven, just click.. Applications -> System Tools -> Network Tools
[10:49] <airbus> lol thanks fsapo
[10:49] <Unfrgiven> fsapo: ta.
[10:50] <airbus> so basically umask=0222 is what allows read
[10:50] <airbus> right?
[10:50] <Unfrgiven> fsapo: thats australian for thanks :)
[10:50] <fsapo> Unfrgiven, got it :)
[10:50] <bob2> airbus: umask=002
[10:50] <fsapo> Unfrgiven, here ta means "ok"
[10:51] <GBX> hi! got a problem with ubuntu live cd. it hangs when starting hotplug subsystem. does anyone know what to do?
[10:51] <airbus> bob2, what does umask=002 do?
[10:51] <petemc> fsapo: wheres here? anywhere ive been it means thanks
[10:51] <fsapo> petemc, haha sorry.. here = brazil
[10:52] <petemc> ah :)
[10:52] <fsapo> petemc, where r u from?
[10:52] <petemc> ireland
[10:53] <fsapo> petemc, O.o
[10:53] <fsapo> petemc, hehe we have people from all around the globe here
[10:53] <petemc> indeed
[10:53] <hussam> what was the command  could run from a terminal to check how much disk space is in use?
[10:53] <petemc> df -h
[10:53] <hussam> thank you :)
[10:54] <RTN> huh. what about kdebluetooth? i believe it is not in ubuntu reprositories?
[10:54] <bob2> airbus: "make it readable by everyone"
[10:56] <fsapo> damn i need to work but i dont really want to work :(
[10:56] <goo> fsapo: tell me about it.
[10:56] <fsapo> goo, tell you about what?
[10:57] <transgress> hehe sometimes things you type aren't read the way you would say them
[10:57] <goo> fsapo: err, I am not a native english speaker, and have watched too many bad american movies.. sorry :)
[10:58] <transgress> goo: it looked fine to me... heh
[10:59] <fsapo> goo, lol.. i m not english native.. and as i m not acustomed with english its difficult to write everything correct.. just hope you understand what i m saying haha
[11:00] <goo> fsapo: sure :)
[11:00] <goo> Mellar: is it raining in Bergen today? :)
[11:02] <fsapo> working at home is a dificult thing =/ i m too lazy for it...
[11:03] <goo> fsapo: yeah, mee too.. home office is teh suck. And I want to pick up my new car :/
[11:03] <airbus> ok
[11:03] <airbus> i switched to umask=002
[11:04] <airbus> i tried "sudo mount -a" to remount everything
[11:04] <airbus> that didnt work, but a restart did
[11:04] <fsapo> goo, what do you do?
[11:04] <goo> fsapo: PHP programming
[11:04] <jiyuu0> new version of ubuntu add-on cd is out: http://ubuntuguide.org/add-on-cd
[11:05] <goo> fsapo: we make a Learning Management System
[11:06] <fsapo> goo, i work with php too.. but as a freelancer
[11:07] <fsapo> goo, and today i have to make the part that i hate.. user interface... the bd and the code are ok, now i need to block all possible "stupid actions" that the users could make =/
[11:07] <fsapo> bd = db
[11:08] <fsapo> ?? php
[11:08] <[uhelp] > php[x] : No defenition found for word.
[11:08] <goo> fsapo: yeah, that's my least favourite bit as well.. :(  I made a wifi manager in python/pygtk/glade in the weekend - really fun to get away from the web programming for a while.
[11:08] <fsapo> O.o
[11:09] <fsapo> goo, nice... i m thinking about starting with python.. but i still dont know when i ll got the courage to start it
[11:11] <goo> I pretty much program php4 for food.  Python was my first an most enduring love ;)
[11:11] <goo> s/an /and /
[11:11] <fsapo> goo, hehe thats what i ve started with php... the $$$$
[11:12] <fsapo> what = why*
[11:12] <goo> fsapo: I bet .br chicks loves the PHP programmers :)
[11:13] <fsapo> goo, ;)
[11:14] <fsapo> goo, but.. if you think about it... they dont even know wtf is php
[11:14] <hunger> Where does udev log to? My usb-stick suddenly stopped working.
[11:14] <goo> fsapo: just thell them it's magic, and you're the wizard with the huge wand.  O_o
[11:17] <goo> Alien_II: lol ;)
[11:17] <airbus> zxcv?
[11:17] <airbus> what parameters are commonly passed
[11:17] <fsapo> airbus, tar xzvf
[11:17] <fsapo> for .tar.gz
[11:17] <airbus> ah thank u
[11:17] <fsapo> airbus, tar xvf for .tar
[11:17] <airbus> uh o
[11:17] <fsapo> airbus, tar xjvf to bz2 i think.. not sure
[11:17] <airbus> its tar.bz2
[11:18] <airbus> ah ok :0)
[11:18] <goo> airbus: tar -xvjf
[11:18] <forsaker8k6> ohi people!
[11:18] <goo> fsapo: ah, didn't see you there :)
[11:18] <fsapo> goo, :p
[11:18] <fsapo> forsaker8k6, hi
[11:19] <fsapo> goo, i m just doing useless stuff anyway.. installing gdesklets, downloading some animes.. and reading the narutofan forums haha
[11:19] <anto9us> how stable is postgresql 8.02 on ubuntu?
[11:20] <airbus> this is step two of installing my audio driver: "Step 2. Turn on sound support (soundcore module, default turn on)"
[11:20] <airbus> is it me or is that overly vague
[11:20] <forsaker8k6> ...
[11:22] <airbus> "configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[11:22] <airbus> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:22] <airbus> "
[11:23] <fsapo> airbus, do you have gcc installed?
[11:23] <forsaker8k6> airbus, have you got gcc installed?
[11:23] <airbus> im not sure
[11:23] <airbus> :-(
[11:23] <forsaker8k6> fsapo, :|
[11:23] <airbus> this is my first day using linux
[11:23] <fsapo> airbus, apt-get install gcc
[11:23] <bwb> airbus: first day? cool
[11:23] <fsapo> airbus, just type in the console: apt-get install gcc
[11:24] <airbus> ya
[11:24] <bwb> airbus: (hope this doesn't sound too strange but..) how old are you?
[11:24] <deadly_omen> salut !
[11:24] <airbus> 21 in 2 weeks
[11:24] <Alien_II> how many days
[11:24] <Alien_II> hours
[11:24] <Alien_II> minutes
[11:24] <Alien_II> and seconds (if possible) ?
[11:24] <bwb> airbus: coo.. go to school?
[11:25] <airbus> no im studying coding languages at home
[11:25] <bwb> ah what languages?
[11:25] <forsaker8k6> aribus, maybe it'st better for you to install this package: build-essential
[11:25] <airbus> i was going to school but became uninteresed
[11:25] <bwb> nod
[11:26] <forsaker8k6> simply: sudo apt-get install build essential
[11:26] <airbus> php/mysql/vb/javascript
[11:26] <forsaker8k6> *build-essential
[11:26] <deadly_omen> j'ai un ch'ti problem j'ai placer 2 tableau de bord en bas mais quand je reboot elle sont toujours en bas mais plus dans le meme ordre comment je fait pour qu'elle reste dans le meme ordre ?
[11:26] <forsaker8k6> O_o
[11:27] <goo> deadly_omen: damn right.
[11:27] <NeWiTa> deadly_omen: when you reboot save your setup
[11:27] <RTN> whoo... i got some stuff working. now i'm going on a weird path.
[11:28] <RTN> i need to connect my phone to computer over bluetooth talking IP over ppp
[11:28] <NeWiTa> deadly_omen: erm, quand vous reboot save your setup
[11:28] <RTN> i can manage. ;)
[11:28] <RTN> all right, i'll be away for 30 minutes or so...
[11:30] <NeWiTa> how do i uninstall gaim without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop?
[11:31] <Quazion> Applications->SystemTools->AddRemovePrograms ?
[11:31] <Quazion> and then deselect gaim ?
[11:31] <airbus> good god
[11:32] <Quazion> though i think the systemtools menu is in the wrong place
[11:33] <AR> Do you use GNOME or KDE?
[11:33] <airbus> i cant install this driver for the life of me
[11:33] <airbus> haha
[11:33] <airbus> Step 3. Complied source code
[11:33] <airbus> 	a. ./configure
[11:33] <airbus> 	b. make
[11:33] <airbus> 	c. make install
[11:33] <airbus> 	d. ./snddevices
[11:33] <AR> Join the club :P
[11:33] <goo> NeWiTa: uninstalling ubuntu-desktop isn't dangerous, it's just a meta package.
[11:33] <airbus> doesnt rly work
[11:33] <NeWiTa> k, i was trying with apt but it uninstalls ubuntu-desktop along with gaim
[11:33] <NeWiTa> thks
[11:34] <NeWiTa> goo: k, thks
[11:34] <AR> My PC is such new, that even Ubuntu hasn't wrote drivers for it yet :) LOL
[11:34] <GBX> [11:34:17]  <AR> My PC is such new, that even Ubuntu hasn't wrote drivers for it yet :) LOL <-- hehe, i had the same problem :)
[11:35] <wdh_> does anyone know how to install ubuntu (warty) on a pc that does not boot from cdrom?
[11:36] <NeWiTa> wdh_: through the network? (don't really know if it's possible)
[11:37] <wdh_> i think bootfloppies are the solution.. but for some reason no one made them
[11:38] <Bladlus> Hi. I have a problem. When I start gnome, the whole system freezes. Any help?
[11:38] <airbus> ok im gonna try rebooting
[11:38] <airbus> maybe i will have magical audio support
[11:38] <airbus> brb
[11:40] <NeWiTa> wdh_: yeah, a bootfloppy will do the trick
[11:40] <NeWiTa> wdh_: be sure to include cdrom support in it
[11:41] <harsha_> does anyknows what does this wierd error means
[11:41] <harsha_> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C
[11:41] <harsha_>  Segmentation fault
[11:41] <odyssey> does ubuntu do the microcode update for pentium machines?
[11:42] <airbus> ok
[11:42] <airbus> now to test this
[11:43] <NeWiTa> harsha_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5467.html
[11:44] <airbus> does ubuntu come w/ mp3 player?
[11:44] <NeWiTa> harsha_: read the first topic
[11:44] <AzMoo> Are root logins disabled?
[11:44] <Quazion> yes
[11:44] <Quazion> use sudo
[11:44] <airbus> Azmoo, you can activate them tho
[11:44] <harsha_> yes i am  a normal user
[11:44] <odyssey> why does everybody ask if root is disabled, does no one read the install screens?
[11:44] <AzMoo> airbus, how?
[11:44] <airbus> system > administratoin > login screen setup
[11:45] <airbus> under Security tab
[11:45] <AzMoo> airbus, thanks :)
[11:45] <AzMoo> odyssey, I haven't installed it. I'm doing remote support.
[11:45] <M3gaBight> i'm having problems installing ubuntu. I'm trying to install it using the CD on my IBM R32 ThinkPad, i select language and keyboard etc but it frezes on a screen saying "Retriving archive-copier" with a progress bar at 0 %, any ideas?
[11:45] <harsha_> i am usin kubuntu
[11:45] <airbus> AzMoo,  its not good practice from what ive learned so far (started linux today)
[11:45] <NeWiTa> airbus: no, instructions how to install a mp3 player: http://ubuntuguide.org/ --> search for mp3
[11:46] <Gud> I'm having a bit of problem with unrar. I can unrar the file fine in FreeBSD, but in ubuntu it just says FAILED after each file. Has anyone else had this problem?
[11:46] <airbus> AzMoo, supposedly u should be "sudo"ing everything
[11:46] <odyssey> Gud do you have unrar installed?
[11:46] <Gud> odyssey: yeah
[11:46] <Vjaz> Anyone know a way to add bookmarks to directories from a nautilus window? I know I can do that in save/load dialogs, but I haven't found a way to do it elsewhere.
[11:46] <AzMoo> airbus, There are arguments for and against. Linspire's CEO has some great arguments for simply using root on a Desktop, and I'm yet to see somebody rebutt them.
[11:47] <odyssey> Gud i also had an issue with it but i thought it was just me
[11:47] <Gud> What did you do to solve the problem?
[11:47] <Vjaz> Also, if I run nautilus in "browser mode", it actually has a menu called "Bookmarks", to which I can add directories, but they don't show up in my locations-menu in the panel.
[11:47] <airbus> ya i would prefer using root too
[11:47] <airbus> i think sudo kinda confuses some stuff
[11:48] <cedjo> 2
[11:48] <airbus> ubuntu made me lol for real tho "Linux for human beings"
[11:48] <airbus> cmon thats funny on so many levels
[11:48] <jchillerup> heh
[11:48] <odyssey> Gud i didnt, what command are you giving it? i did "unrar -e file.rar"
[11:49] <Gud> odyssey: unrar <filename>
[11:49] <anto9us> odyssey: e with no hyphen
[11:49] <odyssey> oh
[11:49] <airbus> gftp
[11:49] <airbus> is that the name of a package?
[11:49] <Gud> yes
[11:49] <jchillerup> yep
[11:50] <jchillerup> An FTP client for Gnome
[11:50] <petemc> isnt it unrar x file.rar
[11:50] <airbus> E: Couldn't find package gftp
[11:50] <Gud> petemc: It's that on FreeBSD, I think I have some weird unrar installed on Ubuntu
[11:50] <jchillerup> It is, petemc - that is, if you want to extract file.rar
[11:50] <airbus> sudo apt-get install gftp
[11:50] <airbus> right?
[11:50] <odyssey> anto9us, thanks :)
[11:50] <anto9us> np :)
[11:50] <jchillerup> Yes, airbus .. But perhaps it isn't in the Ubuntu package repository
[11:51] <airbus> that is surely sad
[11:51] <airbus> how do i get it in the repository
[11:51] <airbus> or is there another ftp client?
[11:51] <Gud> I'm installing unrar-nonfree now, I hope it works
[11:51] <Quazion> i installed gftp from the application->systemtools->addremoveprograms menu item
[11:51] <forsaker8k6> the unrar utility is something so unusefull...
[11:51] <Gud> forsaker8k6: What?
[11:51] <petemc> forsaker8k6: its useful for uncompressing rar files
[11:52] <forsaker8k6> yes... if only it would work....
[11:52] <Quazion> airbus, else try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#gftp dont forget to add extra repositories...
[11:52] <airbus> Quazion, thanks
[11:53] <bet0x> Hello all
[11:53] <bet0x> I have a problem with my dvd
[11:53] <bet0x> is not present on /dev/dvd
[11:53] <forsaker8k6> i'm trying to install billions of rar files... and it just merrily pops out an error message :D
[11:53] <bet0x> its in /dev/hdd
[11:53] <bet0x> and my soft cant detect it
[11:53] <bet0x> but i can use it
[11:53] <bet0x> so its working
[11:53] <bet0x> how i create the device /dev/dvd ?
[11:53] <Gud> forsaker8k6: It works, you need to install unrar-nonfree
[11:53] <drcoded> I replace the g200 with ati rage IIC
[11:53] <rcas> bet0x: what soft doesn't work ?
[11:53] <drcoded> I hope it support 3d
[11:53] <bet0x> Winki the ripper
[11:53] <rcas> bet0x: you can do a /dev/dvd symlink I guess
[11:54] <forsaker8k6> tnx Gud, i'll try
[11:54] <bet0x> i have and not work
[11:54] <rcas> bet0x: You're soft should be pointing to /dev/hdc, check the configs and change that
[11:54] <drcoded> u talk to me bet?
[11:55] <airbus> does emacs have code highlighters?
[11:55] <bet0x> i can create a deevice poited to my /dev/dvd ?
[11:55] <bet0x> its more easy
[11:55] <bet0x> no?
[11:55] <bet0x> i dont see a option for reconfigure :S
[11:55] <jchillerup> Yes
[11:55] <jchillerup> Do you want /dev/cdrom (for example) to point to /dev/dvd
[11:56] <rcas> bet0x:  dunno, I would try a : ln -f /dev/hdd /dev/dvd to see if it worked out
[11:56] <jchillerup> Or /dev/hdc depending on the master/slave setting of the drive
[11:56] <bet0x> its a slave
[11:56] <bet0x> root@darkhole:/media/cdrom0 # ls -lah /dev/dvd
[11:56] <bet0x> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 13 2005-05-03 06:54 /dev/dvd -> /media/cdrom0
[11:56] <bet0x> root@darkhole:/media/cdrom0 #
[11:57] <bet0x> and i have a sym link
[11:57] <bet0x> for test
[11:57] <NeWiTa> anyone knows how to solve amsn's bug that opens not requested chat windows?
[11:57] <bet0x> but not works
[11:57] <bet0x> :s
[11:57] <anto9us> NeWiTa: I would have called it a feature, wish gaim would do that
[11:57] <airbus> anyone know if emacs has a code highlighter?
[11:58] <M3gaBight> i'm having problems installing ubuntu horay. I'm trying to install it using the CD on my IBM R32 ThinkPad, i select language and keyboard etc but it frezes on a screen saying "Retriving archive-copier" with a progress bar at 0 %, any ideas?
[11:58] <forsaker8k6> airbus, yes it has... but i really donno how to activate it
[11:58] <odyssey> NeWiTa, doesnt it open those windows because the person at the other end opens one?
[11:58] <bob2> airbus: of course
[11:58] <bob2> M3gaBight: check the md5sum of the cd
[11:58] <bob2> M3gaBight: ie "verify disk" or whatever from the main menu
[11:58] <anto9us> odyssey: exactly right, I love it, freaks people out when I type before they do
[11:58] <airbus> ok thanks
[11:58] <rcas> airbus: it does
[11:58] <bob2> airbus: M-x font-lock-mode
[11:59] <kev0r> hello, after trying GeeXbox, my Ubuntu won't boot anymore
[11:59] <kev0r> i just get a blinking "_"
[12:00] <odyssey> M3gaBight, check the install notes on the F keys it says something about IBM machines
[12:00] <kev0r> anyone knoez how to fix this?
[12:00] <M3gaBight> pl thanks guys, i'll get back on weather this helps
[12:02] <bet0x> how i umount a device if its busy ?
[12:02] <jchillerup> bet0x, find out what's using it
[12:03] <jchillerup> There's an ls<something> for that
[12:03] <petemc> bet0x: find out whats keeping it busy and stop it
[12:03] <jchillerup> only, I don't remember its name
[12:03] <petemc> lsof or fuser
[12:03] <jchillerup> Exactly
[12:03] <airbus> hmm emacs is a little more hardcore than id prefer it to be
[12:03] <jchillerup> :)
[12:03] <airbus> anyone know a text editor w/ a little more of a gui
[12:03] <forsaker8k6> airbus, try vim ;)
[12:03] <jchillerup> nanop
[12:03] <jchillerup> nano
[12:03] <francque> My little sister wants to run ubuntu 5.03, will it run on a 375mhz 384mb ram?
[12:03] <airbus> ah vim so scary tho
[12:03] <jchillerup> Yes
[12:03] <jchillerup> airbus, try nano
[12:03] <forsaker8k6> :)
[12:03] <francque> airbus:  nano is your friend
[12:04] <airbus> haha
[12:04] <airbus> is that in repository?
[12:04] <jchillerup> I guess
[12:04] <forsaker8k6> wazwaz... vim rulez!!! ... forever... muahahahah
[12:04] <jchillerup> I don't run ubuntu on this computer, but I HAVE nano on my laptop (running ubuntu)
[12:04] <jchillerup> Worst case is that you need to add a repository
[12:05] <warriorfr> yo
[12:05] <kev0r> anyone hwere know how i can boot my pc again, just hangs after hardware initilisations with a bliking _
[12:05] <airbus> um nano is evn less than emacs lol
[12:05] <francque> jchillerup:  but you say 5.03 works fine on 375mhz, 384 mb ram? :p
[12:05] <jchillerup> I would say
[12:05] <jchillerup> I don't know it for sure
[12:05] <francque> or was that 'Yes' meant for another person ;p
[12:05] <francque> ah ok
[12:05] <airbus> i will learn vim
[12:05] <francque> I will try it
[12:05] <jchillerup> But it has a lot of ram for that small processor
[12:05] <jchillerup> I think it'll go smoothly
[12:06] <forsaker8k6> that's the right spirit, airbus !!
[12:06] <jchillerup> Heh airbus
[12:06] <francque> jchillerup:  it needed the ram for win xp :p
[12:06] <airbus> yes jchillerup ?
[12:06] <jchillerup> certainly :)
[12:06] <jchillerup> huh, airbus ?? "yes"?!
[12:06] <airbus> oh i thought you said "hey airbus", my bad
[12:06] <forsaker8k6> wow... unrar-nonfree is like to work! amazing....
[12:07] <jchillerup> :)
[12:07] <NeWiTa> odyssey and anto9us: it is a known bug, it opens windows that supposedly mean that the other person has clicked to chat with you.. the catch: they don't, it just opens windows randomly
[12:07] <forsaker8k6> but.. that nonfree thing... it doesn't like me too much....
[12:07] <bet0x> any here know a dvd rip tool?
[12:08] <jchillerup> no, sorry
[12:08] <petemc> forsaker8k6: it cant handle V3 rar files
[12:08] <forsaker8k6> mm... if i only knew what are V3 files... :D
[12:09] <petemc> forsaker8k6: probably it would be safe to say the ones that dont work with the free version are V3
[12:09] <forsaker8k6> :P... really kind definition :D :D
[12:09] <odyssey> NeWiTa, wait for them to fix the bug?
[12:09] <jchillerup> bet0x, libdvdcss can help you with the actual decrypting of the DVDs
[12:10] <forsaker8k6> anyway.. thank you for the hint of installing the nonfree version ;)
[12:10] <petemc> bet0x: dvdrip
[12:10] <odyssey> bet0x, thoggen
[12:10] <NeWiTa> odyssey: that's one way to do it, i was hoping for a more immediate solution
[12:11] <bet0x> any test in hoary?
[12:11] <fsapo> bet0x, what exactly do you want to do?
[12:11] <larsrohdin> hi, im having troubles with .xsession... i get the error Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".   in ~.xsession-errors
[12:11] <bet0x> i have 7 hours working triying to rip
[12:11] <fsapo> bet0x, try apt-get install dvdrip ;)
[12:11] <odyssey> NeWiTa, google is probably your best bet for an answer or the amsn mailing list if they have one
[12:11] <bet0x> fsapo, problems with transcode :S
[12:11] <fsapo> bet0x, you will need trascode + dvdrip
[12:11] <airbus> omg i didnt know gedit had highlighter
[12:11] <airbus> ill just use that
[12:11] <bet0x> im using the official apt-get sources and nothing
[12:11] <fsapo> bet0x, what kind of problems?
[12:12] <NeWiTa> odyssey: i'm googling for it :) thks anyway
[12:12] <bet0x> dvdrip: Depende: transcode (>= 2:0.6.14) pero no es instalable
[12:12] <bet0x> that
[12:12] <bet0x> :)
[12:12] <fsapo> bet0x, try apt-get install acidrip
[12:12] <fsapo> bet0x, but you will need mplayer
[12:12] <petemc> bet0x: add a marillat source
[12:12] <bet0x> petemc, what the deb source?
[12:12] <petemc> yes
[12:13] <jiyuu0> bet0x, try http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdrip
[12:13] <jiyuu0> fresh from oven
[12:13] <forsaker8k6> can anyone suggest me some cool repo for amd64 packages?
[12:13] <fsapo> bet0x, here to install dvdrip i had to do it: comment everything in the sources.list and uncomment just this one: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[12:14] <RTN> did you notice that i joined the Ubuntu channel again?
[12:14] <fsapo> bet0x, then i installed transcode... and installed dvdrip
[12:14] <Rydekull> fisk
[12:14] <RTN> fisk is fish in danish?
[12:14] <bad_mongo> torsk
[12:15] <ztonzy> abborre :)
[12:16] <larsrohdin> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". whats the problem?
[12:16] <NeWiTa> found a solution: for who it may concern:
[12:16] <NeWiTa> In stable version (0.94) you don't have the feature to only open the windows when someone sends you a message. For some reason, when you log in, you get plenty of windows opened with no apparent reason. The option to "block" this behaviour only appears in CVS version (0.95b).
[12:16] <NeWiTa> :)
[12:17] <bet0x> Violacin de segmento
[12:17] <bet0x> Segment fault
[12:17] <bet0x> with acid rip
[12:17] <bet0x> xD
[12:18] <fsapo> bet0x, do you have mplayer installed?
[12:18] <fsapo> acidrip and dvdrip are working here ;P
[12:19] <odyssey> fsapo, do you find your rips have aspect ratios muddled?
[12:19] <bet0x> testing dvdrip now
[12:19] <fsapo> odyssey, no.. everything perfect
[12:21] <odyssey> thats good
[12:22] <paulfox> any openoffice guru's here? :)
[12:23] <kev0r> anybody here that can tell me how i can reinstall grub?
[12:24] <kev0r> pc not booting anymore
[12:24] <NeWiTa> paulfox: ask yout question, maybe someone non-guru knows :)
[12:24] <bet0x>   mplayer-nogui: Depende: libbio2jack0 pero no va a instalarse
[12:24] <bet0x>                  Depende: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0) pero 2.2.3-4ubuntu7 va a ser instalado
[12:24] <bet0x>                  Depende: libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.99.0) pero no es instalable
[12:24] <bet0x>                  Depende: libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.0) pero 1.0.1-1 va a ser instalado
[12:24] <bet0x> some broken packages
[12:24] <bet0x> fsapo,
[12:24] <paulfox> i'm trying to get oo to export a presentation, but i need slide+notes. i've got it exporting slides + slides and notes(two lots of slides)
[12:24] <bet0x> :/
[12:25] <fsapo> bet0x, ?
[12:26] <bet0x> i dont have mplayer
[12:26] <bet0x> =/
[12:26] <fsapo> bet0x, just a moment
[12:26] <fsapo> bet0x, try this: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[12:27] <NeWiTa> paulfox: that i can't even google for :D maybe somebody else here knows?
[12:28] <paulfox> NeWiTa, yeah i can't find anything...does microsoft work have export to pdf? i might have to use that
[12:28] <Disc00rd> Does Multimedia Player support Mp3's?
[12:29] <NeWiTa> paulfox: yes, it has export to pdf, if that solves it :)
[12:30] <paulfox> ta
[12:33] <bet0x> ripping i think
[12:33] <bet0x> i see a progress bar
[12:33] <bet0x> but i dont know XD
[12:33] <jiyuu0> bet0x, that instruction at ubuntuguide will only rip xvid
[12:33] <fsapo> bet0x, xD
[12:33] <jiyuu0> i'm still lookin on how it could rip divx
[12:34] <bet0x> any here speack spanish?
[12:34] <fsapo> jiyuu0, dvdrip i think.. btw xvid ownz divx :P
[12:35] <jiyuu0> dvdrip won't rip divx off the shelf
[12:35] <jiyuu0> have u manage to rip divx
[12:35] <jiyuu0> using it?
[12:35] <odyssey> oac bets xvid
[12:35] <bet0x> im ripping
[12:36] <bet0x> :O
[12:36] <jiyuu0> bet0x, in which codec u ripping?
[12:36] <yonil> Huh? my computer stuck, so i did alt+ctrl+backspace, but now it came back as 640X480 and i cant change the resulotion (640X480 is the only option) - any help?
[12:36] <bet0x> ffmpeg
[12:36] <bet0x> mpeg4
[12:36] <odyssey> yonil, ctrl + alt + +
[12:36] <me101> hi guys
[12:36] <jiyuu0> bet0x, have u tried divx?
[12:37] <yonil> odyssey, that doesnt do anything :\
[12:37] <odyssey> press - instead of plux
[12:37] <odyssey> plus
[12:37] <bet0x> divx dont works
[12:37] <bet0x> yes i try
[12:37] <fsapo> bet0x, good luck :D
[12:37] <bet0x> :D
[12:37] <bet0x> fsapo, 30' and its ripped
[12:37] <bet0x> my dvd-rw its scsi
[12:37] <bet0x> and my hd too
[12:38] <bet0x> :P
[12:38] <yonil> odyssey, again nothing, as i said i dont have any options to change the resolution to .. :(
[12:38] <bet0x> i love speed
[12:38] <bet0x> xD
[12:38] <me101> I was trying to find a way to update today to UBUNTU 5.04
[12:38] <fsapo> bet0x, acidrip works... but dvdrip is far better :P
[12:38] <bet0x> acid dont works to me
[12:38] <bet0x> im a little noob with dvds
[12:38] <me101> and if anyone wants to do it, go to: "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/ReleaseNotes504"
[12:38] <jiyuu0> bet0x, u notice the output... seems like there's line
[12:38] <jiyuu0> u get the same thing?
[12:38] <fsapo> me101, apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get dist-update or someting like it :P
[12:39] <odyssey> yonil, then you will have to edit your xorg.conf
[12:39] <wdh_> fsapo, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:39] <me101> thanks, but I've done it
[12:39] <wdh_> yonil, try running rsandr
[12:39] <fsapo> wdh, thats it ;) it worked for me like a charm
[12:39] <wdh_> xrandr
[12:40] <kev0r> How do i create a bootdisk with sata included?
[12:40] <bet0x> i love my Sony BW-F101 :)
[12:40] <bet0x> my system its a little broken after test's
[12:41] <bet0x> woody 2 warty patched to hoary
[12:41] <bet0x> x
[12:41] <bet0x> xD
[12:41] <yonil> wdh, what about it ?
[12:41] <yonil> *0    640 x 480    ( 217mm x 163mm )  *60
[12:41] <yonil>  1    320 x 240    ( 217mm x 163mm )   60
[12:42] <hussam> I have a kodak cx7310 usb digital camera. what software do I need to get it to work on ubuntu?
[12:46] <karljp> hussam: depends what you want to do.  have you tried just plugging it in and running gphoto?
[12:46] <bet0x> im ripping and looking a movie withthe same dvd
[12:46] <bet0x> :O
[12:46] <hussam> karljp: no I just plugged it in.
[12:48] <kev0r> nobody here that can help me, getting desperate
[12:49] <hussam> karljp: i'm installing gphoto and gtkam now
[12:52] <cyberix> Executing perl -e "fork while fork" locks Ubuntu up. Ubuntu should have some limits to solve this.
[12:52] <cyberix> This can't be allowed to happen to a normal user
[12:52] <petemc> cyberix: thats old news
[12:53] <petemc> and it affects more than just ubuntu
[12:53] <tshortall> ubuntu and most other distros have generous per-user resource limits
[12:53] <tshortall> by default
[12:53] <tshortall> if you want to tighten things up you can.
[12:54] <cyberix> tshortall: They can't be set by heuristic?
[12:55] <cyberix> tshortall: To avoid complete lock up.
[12:55] <tshortall> not sure what you mean. as in the limit should change to react to user's demands on resources?
[12:55] <karljp> cyberix: bullshit
[12:55] <cyberix> karljp: ?
[12:55] <karljp> gui ubuntu is 99% of the time going to be used by 1 person
[12:56] <karljp> so if you forkbomb yourself....
[12:56] <cyberix> karljp: What, if a software bug fork bombs you?
[12:56] <tshortall> yeah, but ubuntu is also going to be used in multi user situations.
[12:56] <cyberix> karljp: Lets say something in login phase
[12:56] <scorpix> is there somthing like deltarpm for .deb packages?
[12:56] <cyberix> karljp: A normal user can't make his system work anymore.
[12:57] <karljp> cyberix: then go run your netbsd mr security
[12:57] <cyberix> So he has to reinstall Ubuntu.
[12:57] <karljp> and stop whining about potentials
[12:57] <membreya> in mounting an NTFS harddrive to allow EVERYONE access, without using UIDs, would a chmod 777 on the mounted directory allow access?
[12:57] <karljp> well, it would,
[12:57] <membreya> but? :P
[12:58] <tshortall> ugh. this is getting nowhere. if you are in a situation where forkbomb is a potential problem just  change the settings :
[12:58] <karljp> but you're just going to get wierd errors when people try to write to it :)
[12:58] <membreya> lol ;)
[12:58] <membreya> 775 ? :P
[12:58] <NeWiTa> anyone plays or knows about a popular mmorpg for linux?
[12:58] <membreya> NeWiTa: I use a java based web client one :P
[12:58] <airbus> ok im goin to bed
[12:59] <NeWiTa> membreya: for which game? :)
[12:59] <airbus> ive been tinkering for 6hrs straight now
[12:59] <karljp> mem: are you putting it in fstab?
[12:59] <airbus> gnite guys thanks for all the help
[12:59] <membreya> karljp: ya
[01:00] <no0tic> I've a problem with a microphone, I can hear it but I can't use it as recording source, how I can do it?
[01:00] <karljp> mem: I just have /dev/hda1       /c              ntfs    umask=0222 seems to work just fine for me.
[01:00] <karljp> I should probably put "ro" in as well.
[01:01] <stianh> hello
[01:01] <karljp> are youhaving problems with people not being able to get to it?
[01:01] <stianh> anyone with experience with gnomad2/libnjb
[01:01] <stianh> +
[01:01] <stianh> ? I seem to be having trouble getting libnjb to realize that I have connected my jukebox
[01:02] <larsrohdin> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0", whats wrong?
[01:03] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[01:04] <hussam> karljp: i install gtkam but it won't detect the kodak digital camera
[01:05] <NeWiTa> membreya: for which game? :)
[01:05] <drac> larsrohdin: http://www.pastebin.com/279029
[01:06] <drac> larsrohdin: That's xorg.conf..
[01:06] <drac> hussam: Try changing the mode in your camera to PTP.
[01:06] <drac> hussam: And you need to be in 'plugdev' or was that 'camera' group.
[01:08] <fabio> hi All
[01:08] <fabio> guys I need a little help
[01:08] <fsapo> fabio, falae char :)
[01:08] <fsapo> fabio, hi :D
[01:08] <fabio> sHi fsapo
[01:08] <fabio> fsapo could u give me a help?
[01:09] <hussam> drac: I added my user to group camera? what's PTP?
[01:09] <fsapo> fabio, it depends on your question.. btw just ask it :)
[01:09] <drac> hussam: Don't ask me, it's just that libgphoto2 (gtkam) supports some cameras only in that mode.
[01:10] <fabio> everytime I start Ubuntu two errors come up to the screen, just after logged in, telling me that two folders (which they were on the Desktop) cannot be found
[01:10] <drac> hussam: Logout, login to make that groupadd in effective ..
[01:10] <hussam> ok, brb
[01:10] <fabio> because I deleted one, and renamed the other
[01:11] <fabio> fsapo, drac, any idea?
[01:11] <fabio> I mean, is Ubuntu all the time trying to launch the folders on the Desktop?
[01:12] <larsrohdin> that worked, but now i get this error...Failed to load groupfile:
[01:12] <larsrohdin> BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x23, depth 24
[01:13] <drcoded> hi all
[01:13] <stianh> fabio: perhaps selecting "save session" when logging out will work. You might have had these windows open when leaving gnome and saving the session, when you then deleted it it now tries to load them but fails
[01:13] <drcoded> I have strange error when I try to apt-get install xorg-driver
[01:13] <stianh> just my initial thoughts
[01:15] <fabio> stianh, yes u right, I now remember it!! I did save it, so do I save my session again, without those folders, as the current status is now?
[01:16] <larsrohdin> is anyone here good with .xsession-problems?
[01:17] <fabio> Guys, is anywone here involved into Ubuntu development?
[01:18] <lifeless> theres a rumour
[01:18] <fabio> lifeless, what?
[01:18] <dross> fabio: #ubuntu-devel has people like that ;)
[01:18] <fabio> oh thanks a lot dross
[01:19] <lifeless> there are plenty of devs here too
[01:19] <dross> lifeless: yes, but they stay quiet :)
[01:19] <larsrohdin> they are watching us....
[01:19] <fabio> cool, well I was going to create a web-site based on Ubuntu
[01:20] <fsapo> fabio, where are you from?
[01:21] <fabio> Italy, but live in UK
[01:21] <drcoded> it give me /quit
[01:21] <drcoded> exit
[01:21] <drcoded> exit
[01:21] <drcoded> exit
[01:21] <drcoded> exut
[01:21] <larsrohdin> exut?
[01:21] <dross> dumb BX user....
[01:21] <larsrohdin> =)
[01:21] <dross> BX is for kids
[01:21] <fabio> fsapo, why?
[01:21] <beerockxs> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick to work?
[01:23] <fsapo> fabio, nice.. cause you have the same name as me :) and i m brazillian.. and fabio is a very common name here
[01:23] <drcoded> Why I got this error : dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 to /usr/lib/libGL-no-dri-trunk.so.1 by xlibmesa-gl1-dri-trunk'
[01:23] <drcoded> any idea?
[01:23] <DeMonet> Hi, what's the fastest way to get Ubuntu CD's in South Africa ? Anyone have any ideas ?
[01:23] <fabio> oh cool, I didn't know that, I have a friend from San Paulo
[01:23] <dross> DeMonet: download then :)
[01:23] <dross> *them
[01:23] <drcoded> I got it in apt-get
[01:24] <DeMonet> dross: *grin* Over a 28k8 modem ? No thanks ! :)
[01:24] <dross> DeMonet: it should only take you a month ;)
[01:24] <beerockxs> anyone?
[01:35] <onkarshinde> Has Firefox 1.0.3 been added as security update in ubuntu repositories?
[01:35] <GNAM> what's your favourite newsreader?
[01:35] <drac> GNAM: What's yours?
[01:35] <GNAM> i've not tried any
[01:36] <lewwy> hey can anyone here help with with an install of SuSE 9.3 DVD live?  I get a source not defined error
[01:36] <drac> lewwy: Do you realize in what channel you are in?
[01:36] <lewwy> yes
[01:36] <lewwy> but i also realise that no other distro has live help
[01:36] <drac> sigh.
[01:36] <lewwy> especially SuSE
[01:36] <lewwy> dude if you want i'll go away
[01:37] <drac> Install Ubuntu then.
[01:37] <lewwy> dont have to act hard done by
[01:37] <fabio> Ubuntu is the vest
[01:37] <fabio> best
[01:37] <lewwy> yeh i used to have it
[01:37] <lewwy> i'll install it when my cd's come
[01:37] <lewwy> till then SuSE looks the best and works the best for smee
[01:37] <lewwy> so noone can help?
[01:38] <fabio> 15mins for a full Ubuntu installation on my budget pc
[01:38] <lewwy> ok
[01:38] <lewwy> well from what i can see
[01:38] <lewwy> someone can either send me the ubuntu cd's, or i can continue to use SuSE
[01:38] <lewwy> the ISO's are too big for me to get
[01:39] <fabio> well, wait until u get from the post then, where u live lewwy?
[01:39] <NeWiTa> what connection do you have?
[01:40] <lewwy> austrlia, beenleigh
[01:40] <lewwy> i have 256/128 w/ 10g limit
[01:40] <lewwy> brother owns it
[01:40] <lewwy> so if i kill the limit
[01:40] <lewwy> he kills me :P
[01:41] <fabio> oh, hmm I thought u were inE
[01:41] <fabio> EU
[01:42] <NeWiTa> the connection isn't bad, the brother owning it is :D
[01:42] <fabio> bye guys
[01:43] <lewwy> hehe
[01:43] <lewwy> so anyone wanna send a CD to me gratis?
[01:43] <AstralJava> lewwy: Have you checked the site? There should be a way to order a cd free!
[01:44] <lewwy> yeh
[01:44] <lewwy> shipit
[01:44] <karljp> optus or telstra?
[01:44] <lewwy> had them on order since the beginning of last mointh
[01:44] <lewwy> telstra
[01:44] <karljp> so no end of month leeching then
[01:45] <karljp> and isn't mirror.aarnet free for you?
[01:45] <lewwy> iunno
[01:45] <lewwy> is it?
[01:45] <karljp> I think so.
[01:45] <bob2> lewwy: if you ordered before hoary came out, you should get them in the next couple of weeks
[01:45] <karljp> get on #sydney on irc.ausnet or whatever it is and ask
[01:45] <karljp> or read your whirlpool
[01:45] <karljp> I'm pretty sure that you can get isos for free with both telstra and optus
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> karljp: aarnet is using optus bandwidth
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> but I'm pretty sure that telstra mirror hoary somewhere
[01:46] <karljp> does telstra provide nothing?
[01:46] <beerockxs> can anyone help me get my gameport joystick to work?
[01:46] <karljp> yeah, I'm pretty sure telstra has some sort of deal for isos
[01:46] <amnesia> does anyone know what the logout menu hibernation and standby exactly do? are they hard coded or do they execute the /etc/acpi/ scripts
[01:47] <bob2> amnesia: the scripts
[01:47] <thoreauputic> bob2, Now on Hoary :)
[01:47] <bob2> hah
[01:47] <thoreauputic> at last
[01:47] <amnesia> bob2: so standby.sh and hibernate.sh. Thank
[01:47] <amnesia> s
[01:48] <occy> *sigh*
[01:49] <occy> My Ubuntu desktop locked up again.
[01:49] <occy> Someone here asked me about if the numlock key was working while it locked up.
[01:49] <occy> I can say now that, no, the numlock key isn't working.
[01:50] <occy> tried: alt+sysreq+s  + u +b
[01:50] <odyssey> occy boot with noapic nolapic options in grub
[01:50] <occy> that doesn't do anything either.
[01:51] <occy> odyssey, hi there.  What do those options mean?
[01:51] <occy> cool first letter of your nickname.
[01:51] <occy> :)
[01:51] <karljp> if that kid with telstra broadband comes back, tell hiim files.bigpond.com has isos for him to download that don't go towards his quota
[01:52] <matid> Hi
[01:52] <thoreauputic> any particular reason anyone can think of why my cpu should be bouncing between 5 and 25% on Hoary when it never did so on warty in the same situation?
[01:53] <karljp> it's all the secret computation that ubuntu is doing in the background
[01:53] <occy> odyssey, I'll try that.  Running through memtest86+ now.
[01:53] <karljp> shuttleworth is actually running the numbers on his theories to take over the world
[01:53] <thoreauputic> karljp, ;)
[01:53] <thoreauputic> hehheh
[01:53] <karljp> ubuntu is just a big social virus to get his own personal gridcomputing set up
[01:53] <matid> Did anyone came across DVD+R writing problem in Ubuntu Hoary? My DVD+R blank discs appear on the desktop as CD-ROM Discs and cannot burn them...
[01:53] <thoreauputic> well at least my mouse isn't jumping about of its own accord...
[01:54] <bretzel> karljp: ?
[01:56] <bretzel> karljp: Thus, Microsoft Windows is just a big CAPITALIST virus to get his own personal gridcomputing set up :-) :-)
[01:57] <matid> anyone know?
[01:57] <thoreauputic> what I have here looks more like an anarchist virus :0
[01:57] <jacquesmerde> what does the "%u" in "firefox %u" do?
[01:58] <jacquesmerde> i tried to find the answer to the above question on google, but google didnt seem to like it
[01:58] <jacquesmerde> google doesnt seem to like "%"
[01:59] <Nalioth> thoreauputic, are they different pkgs than the normal xfce4?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> Nalioth, just the hoary ones for 4.2 I think, with rox-filer etc
[01:59] <amnesia> jacquesmerde: u is the first parameter?
[02:00] <jacquesmerde> why are paramaters being passed with "%"? and what does the u paramater do?
[02:00] <RTN> huh.
[02:00] <RTN> i'm missing flashplayer for mozilla...
[02:00] <bretzel> just read Thoreauputic's puzzle about CPU load and firedup "top" then : what is that "multiload-apple" process running ??? it eats 3% off the cpu ???
[02:00] <RTN> no for firefox
[02:01] <RTN> flashplayer for firefox... how can i?
[02:01] <karljp> google for ubuntu restricted formats
[02:01] <karljp> it will return a useful wikipage which has how to install it
[02:01] <matid> Did anyone came across DVD+R writing problem in Ubuntu Hoary? My DVD+R blank discs appear on the desktop as CD-ROM Discs and cannot burn them... ???
[02:01] <bretzel> RTN: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:02] <anto9us> will postgresql 8.02 install ok on hoary?
[02:03] <amnesia> matid: try to unmount them before burning
[02:04] <dcraven> How is everyone today?
[02:04] <karljp> excellent! I just got called up for a job interview
[02:04] <karljp> and yourself?
[02:04] <RTN> ouch. thank you again. i will have to document it all for my own usage...
[02:04] <dcraven> karljp: Nice! Congrats!
[02:04] <dcraven> I'm okay.
[02:04] <gorilla_> karljp, best of luck with that :-)
[02:04] <karljp> thanks :)
[02:04] <anto9us> dcraven: I'm good, I'm absolutely thrilled with ubuntu
[02:05] <RTN> how come that ubuntu does not have a flash-player plugin, but has firmware for ipw2100?
[02:05] <RTN> both are non-free...
[02:05] <dcraven> anto9us: Glad to hear it. It kinda bit me too.
[02:05] <karljp> probably because of the exact type of non-freeness
[02:05] <karljp> restrictedformats/nonfree is a pain
[02:05] <anto9us> the framework for my application server is all set up, just have to import the data and it will be running
[02:05] <dcraven> RTN: It has a flash plugin no?
[02:05] <davekempe_> RTN - I asked shuttleworth about that - he said they draw the line at hardware drivers as the only non-free in ubuntu
[02:06] <RTN> so the same applies probably for w32codecs...
[02:06] <RTN> in know the reply already... wiki... :P
[02:06] <RTN> wiki is too much information...
[02:07] <RTN> looks like the flash thing works now...
[02:07] <karljp> http://beeroclock.net/highlife.cgi
[02:07] <bretzel> RTN: tse tse!!! ssshhht!!
[02:07] <karljp> I wonder if I'll get a job today, or whether I'll make 300 days.
[02:07] <bretzel> karljp: sorry but in what kind of job are you appointed for ?
[02:07] <karljp> nothing yet :)
[02:08] <karljp> general programmer position I'm interviewing for
[02:08] <jacquesmerde> can ANYone tell me what the u paramater does in firefox %u? the firefox launcher uses it in ubuntu
[02:08] <Vjaz> Anyone know how to make Metacity snap windows to edges and other windows?
[02:08] <bretzel> karljp: lucky you!!! I have 12 years of knowledge in C/C++ programming but NO degree!!! this kind of job is not for me :-)
[02:08] <bretzel> :-(
[02:09] <amnesia> jacquesmerde: told you. that's the first parameter of the program
[02:09] <matid> jacqesmerde: probably the URL
[02:09] <peanut> Anyone free to help me with a corrupt rndc.key?
[02:09] <dcraven> karljp: The interview is today?
[02:09] <karljp> yeah, later this afternoon.
[02:10] <dcraven> karljp: Holy. Good luck!
[02:10] <Nalioth> time for work
[02:10] <Nalioth> see y'all later
[02:10] <jacquesmerde> amnesia: you didnt tell me what the paramater WAS though
[02:11] <jacquesmerde> so where is the value of %u set, to link it to the actual url?
[02:11] <amnesia> jacquesmerde: well what would it be?
[02:11] <bretzel> karljp: yes, wish you very good brain shape, relax, and be a bit humouristic when no important situation to answer -- especially if there is a women :-) :-)
[02:11] <amnesia> jacquesmerde: of course anything that you pass to it
[02:12] <RTN> so what means marillat?
[02:12] <amnesia> jacquesmerde: a monkey, an apple, or an url
[02:12] <drac> RTN: Marillat is a person.
[02:12] <drac> RTN: Christian is his first name.
[02:12] <amnesia> doesn't matter, it is _a_ parameter :)
[02:12] <RTN> if the context is reprository?
[02:12] <janisx> hello can anybody help me with openoffice
[02:13] <jacquesmerde> amnesia: so where does ubuntu store the url value of %u?
[02:13] <dcraven> RTN: It's just a repository that some guy maintains of stuff that is not typically in the Debian repos as far as I understand.
[02:13] <RTN> what help you need with openoffice?
[02:13] <RTN> okey, if something is in marillat, how do i add this into my reprositories?
[02:13] <amnesia> jacquesmerde: nowhere. that one is coming from the application
[02:14] <RTN> is the marillat synonym of multiverse or something?
[02:14] <amnesia> RTN: no. that is just one repository
[02:14] <petemc> RTN: theres plenty of info on marillat in the wiki
[02:15] <RTN> that's what i mean: plenty=too much....
[02:15] <dcraven> RTN: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[02:15] <RTN> been there already.
[02:15] <karljp> (just don't try and install mplayer from marillat, it's easier and faster to build form source)
[02:15] <RTN> i'm there now actually...
[02:15] <HrdwrBoB> karljp: or you can get it from universe
[02:15] <dcraven> RTN: Well then I don't understand what you want.
[02:16] <RTN> sorry guys, boss wants me... thanx anyway.
[02:16] <karljp> hrdwrbob: well, it seemed to want to use the mplayer one for me, maybe I didn't try hard enough to say, use vesion from Y, not X
[02:18] <dcraven> Mplayer is in *multi*verse
[02:22] <janisx> how can I use shortcut on OpenOffice for non-us language
[02:22] <RTN> huh. boss wants the same thing... w32codecs :P
[02:22] <joha1> hello everybody..
[02:23] <RTN> i'm the bad guy, i have converted 60% of our office from windows to Ubuntu...
[02:23] <RTN> no... 75%
[02:23] <RTN> 6 out of 8.
[02:23] <janisx> can u help me please
[02:24] <occy> Bios Bug local #0 apic not detected.
[02:25] <dcraven> janisx: I don't see a switch for it at the command line if that is what you mean.
[02:27] <janisx> Always on Ooo, when I use my non-us keyboard can't for example use CTRL+B
[02:27] <dcraven> RTN: I think I'm using the w32codecs from the Backports project.
[02:28] <Chameleon22> alright in that case the question is, whats the difference between iptables -t filter -F and iptables -t filter -X ?
[02:28] <RTN> all right, half of my problems start with ftp being closed...
[02:28] <jiyuu0> RTN, if u need to install those apps on many PCs... try the add-on cd
[02:28] <jiyuu0> it's offline
[02:28] <jiyuu0> offline installation of all the apps
[02:29] <RTN> I don't consider 6 being many... of course 7th one is at home...
[02:30] <dcraven> janisx: I hate to pass the buck, but I don't know anything about OpenOffice. There is a channel here called #openoffice.org thought that may be able to help.
[02:31] <dcraven> People still use ftp?
[02:31] <dcraven> heh
[02:31] <karljp> unfortuantely yes :(
[02:31] <karljp> I have to ftp to my webhost, no ssh.
[02:32] <dcraven> karljp: I wonder why that is?
[02:32] <dcraven> karljp: They cater to Windows users I suppose. FTP was all I ever used as a Windows guy. I'd never heard of ssh.
[02:32] <janisx> thanks dcraven
[02:32] <dcraven> janisx: No problem. I hope they can help.
[02:32] <joha1> I'm having problems to understand the way permissions work in ubuntu.
[02:32] <joha1>  I can't copy  dokument from for example the "Home" map to /usr/lib in Gnome.
[02:33] <joha1> Im newbie:-/
[02:33] <dcraven> joha1: Users only have write permissions to their home directory.
[02:34] <karljp> dcraven: more that ssh is still "new" compared to webhosting.
[02:34] <karljp> and if they offer ssh, then they have gumbies with shells,
[02:34] <karljp> who would then complain if it was more limited than a real shell.
[02:34] <dcraven> joha1: Typically, that's all they need. If you *need* to copy a file to /usr/lib like you say, prepend "sudo" to the copy command and type your user password when it asks.
[02:34] <karljp> I can understand why they do it.
[02:34] <jiyuu0> joha1, or u can try sudo nautilus
[02:35] <dcraven> joha1: But be careful when you use sudo, you can do *anything*, including bad things :)
[02:35] <Cowlike-away> ssh just runs whatever shell the user is defined to run on the host machine
[02:35] <RTN> if i do a new install, can i keep the contents of home directories. i have separate partition for /home at the moment...
[02:35] <dcraven> I keep forgetting about nautilus.
[02:35] <jiyuu0> seems like there isn't a menu item for File Browser (as root)
[02:35] <dcraven> karljp: I don't get it.
[02:36] <dcraven> RTN: Absolutely.  I just see root terminal.
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> although not sudo nautilus
[02:37] <jiyuu0> dcraven,  i'll add that to guide as a tip
[02:37] <jiyuu0> create a new shortcut File Broswer (as root)
[02:37] <RTN> are the mr marillat reprositories available through http also, or only ftp?
[02:38] <jiyuu0> at Applications -> System Tools
[02:38] <dcraven> anto9us: Hmm.. Looks like 7.47 is it.
[02:38] <anto9us> ty dcraven
[02:39] <dcraven> jiyuu0: Good idea.
[02:39] <dcraven> anto9us: ;)
[02:39] <RTN> what happened?
[02:39] <resiak> Someone set up us the bomb!
[02:39] <Cowlike> netsplit?
[02:39] <dcraven> Huh?
[02:40] <RTN> looked pretty cool. :)
[02:40] <dcraven> I have parts/quits filtered.. Everyone left?
[02:40] <Cowlike> various servers within the freenode network quit communicating
[02:40] <dcraven> Ahh 299 nicks now.. eek
[02:41] <joha1> dcraven: and  jiyuu0: yes what I want is to  get the pop up window in gnome so I can give root rights to write..
[02:41] <Yaroon> I get dpkg: serious warning - file list files missing for package xxx with every apt-get I try...
[02:42] <joha1> dcraven: and  jiyuu0: yes what I want is to  get the pop up window in gnome so I can give root rights to write..
[02:43] <joha1> Can I turn this funktion on somehow??
[02:43] <Kisain> whats the command for reconfiguring grub after putting a second hd in?
[02:43] <rudi-rudi> hello all..
[02:44] <dcraven> joha1: You can create a launcher with the command "gksudo nautilus" or something like that.
[02:44] <joha1> I wan't to be able to work in gnome..
[02:44] <beerockxs> can anyone tell me what i need to do to get a gameport joystick to work?
[02:44] <dcraven> joha1: I'm just not sure why you need root permission to do work, but it's your machine :)
[02:45] <Cowlike> why is he trying to write to /usr/lib via nautilus?
[02:45] <Kisain> can sme one tell me the command to reconfigure grub?
[02:46] <dcraven> Kisain: update-grub?
[02:46] <joha1> dcraven: okej I see...I don't understand what ether? I think mayby I have change some defult seting?
[02:46] <dcraven> Kisain: That will write it for you, I don't know if that is what you want though.
[02:47] <dcraven> joha1: Can you explain what you are trying to do? Maybe we can help better then.
[02:47] <dcraven> beerockxs: Is it an analog stick?
[02:48] <drcooded> HI all
[02:48] <dcraven> beerockxs: Or what kind of joystick is it? You probably just need to load the appropriate kernel module.
[02:48] <dcraven> drcooded: Hello!
[02:48] <drcooded> if I have ATI RAGE IIC , It can use 3d in glxinfo?
[02:48] <HrdwrBoB> drcooded: only if you're desperate
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> and even then probably not
[02:49] <drcooded> direct rendering: No
[02:49] <drcooded> how
[02:49] <drcooded> I check some probjects but not with ubuntu
[02:49] <drcooded> I Mean I didnt find solustion in debian how I Can install it?
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> a Rage IIc ?
[02:49] <drcooded> yes
[02:49] <HrdwrBoB> I'm not sure it'll ever work
[02:50] <drcooded> I Have two option ATI RAGE IIC or Matrox G200
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> you're talking about a video card that's like .. 8-10 generations (I think) old
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> G200 will work
[02:50] <drcooded> I Dont know how it better
[02:50] <drcooded> realy
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> the G200 has full open source 3d support
[02:50] <drcooded> I try the G200 without lack
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> and is a faster chip
[02:50] <drcooded> realy
[02:50] <HrdwrBoB> however they are both ooooold
[02:51] <drcooded> how I Can make direct rendering: No to yes?
[02:51] <drcooded> I Know
[02:51] <RTN> g200 should be really good with 3d...
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> you won't get 3d performance worth a damn
[02:51] <joha1> dcraven: okej..my english spelling is not so good,, but I only want to move one text file from my home map to some other map in the system. Thats is!!
[02:51] <drcooded> k
[02:51] <drcooded> but How I can make it work 3d?
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> drcooded: why do you need direct rendering?
[02:51] <joha1> dcraven: Using Gnome gui!!
[02:51] <drcooded> direct readering is 3d?
[02:51] <drcooded> no?
[02:51] <drcooded> I run some games in wine
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> yes, but why do you need it
[02:51] <HrdwrBoB> what games?
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> a G200 is barely capable of playing quake2
[02:52] <RTN> tuxracer? :)
[02:52] <drcooded> and it slow , so SOme where I Read that I Need 3d
[02:52] <HrdwrBoB> which has a native version anyway
[02:52] <drcooded> direct rendering: No is for 3d?
[02:52] <mjr> drcooded, yes, it means there's no 3d acceleration
[02:52] <drcooded> I mean direct redering is for 3d?
[02:52] <elcu> drcooded: direct rendering: yes means you have 3d acceleration enabled
[02:52] <drcooded> k
[02:53] <beerockxs> dcraven: an analog stick
[02:53] <Cowlike> HrdwrBoB, native version or no, it's gonna run like shit unless he gets his 3d acceleration working
[02:53] <drcooded> g200 can have 3d acceleration?
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> Cowlike: true
[02:53] <beerockxs> i modprobed joydev, but jstest /dev/js0 gives me "jstest: no such device"
[02:53] <RTN> i have experienced that you have to load some modules in correct order to get it working...
[02:53] <drcooded> I Mean?
[02:53] <HrdwrBoB> g200 should have 3D acceleration
[02:53] <drcooded> so I could'nt use it
[02:53] <RTN> for me it used to be intel-agp and radeon... but at the moment... newer kernel...
[02:53] <jfk303> hi I have a directory <dir> owned by root, but want user <jim> to be able to have full access to it?
[02:53] <drcooded> it all the time in no
[02:53] <RTN> it looks like drm and radeon...
[02:54] <beerockxs> using a CMI8738 card
[02:54] <RTN> no there is agpgart also...
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> coulf be a problem with your motherboard
[02:54] <drcooded> HrdwrBoB : what I need to do for 3d acceltion to work?
[02:54] <beerockxs> and i did set the kernel module option to enable the joystick
[02:54] <dcraven> beerockxs: try "sudo modprobe analog". I think that will also load the gameport module too.
[02:54] <HrdwrBoB> drcooded: spend <US$50 and get an nvidia 5200? :)
[02:55] <RTN> drcooded, i would say: take a look at lspci
[02:55] <drcooded> U think it will be faster to use there 3d accelrtion?
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[02:55] <RTN> and what does the .... pci bridge....... processor to agp line say....
[02:55] <drcooded> but U said g200 can be 3d acclration on?
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> trying to use a G200 for 3d games, you might as well render them with a pencil in real time
[02:55] <schasi> Hehe
[02:56] <mjr> come now, it might run tuxracer ok ;)
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> that said; it should work
[02:56] <drcooded> I see
[02:56] <drcooded> k
[02:56] <elcu> is the g200 older than the mx440?
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> paste the output of dmesg, lsmod and your Xorg.0.log
[02:56] <drcooded> yes
[02:56] <RTN> elcu, correct.
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> elcu: by a considerable margin
[02:56] <drcooded> k
[02:56] <Andril> hello all
[02:56] <elcu> ah, then he's buggered
[02:56] <elcu> :)
[02:56] <drcooded> I Will do shotdown
[02:56] <drcooded> and install it again
[02:56] <drcooded> see U soon
[02:56] <RTN> ouch... gotta run again...
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> drcooded: installing again wont' do it
[02:57] <dcraven> joha1: Your English is fine. I think I understand what you want. The simplest way to do this is by pressing Alt-F2. This will show you the run dialog. Type "gksudo "nautilus --browser /home/username" where username is your own username. This will ask for your password, and give you write access everywhere.
[02:57] <beerockxs> dcraven: still get the "no such device" error
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> oh well
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[02:57] <HrdwrBoB> come to think of it
[02:58] <dcraven> beerockxs: Hmm.. I've never actually used a joystick, but I thought that would work.
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> he might well be using PCI cards
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> in which case they'll never work
[02:58] <dcraven> beerockxs: Any clue in dmesg when you load that module or plug in the stick?
[02:58] <HrdwrBoB> I think he needs a video card made in this century
[02:59] <dcraven> PCI video doesn't work?
[03:00] <beerockxs> nothing about those modules in dmesg
[03:01] <dcraven> Doh?
[03:01] <Kisain> that might be it
[03:01] <Kisain> thnx
[03:01] <Kisain> i'll try it and be back
[03:12] <Is> i'm a newly converted linux user and i
[03:12] <Is> ve heard
[03:12] <Is> good things about ubuntu.
[03:12] <Quazion> i can tell you more very good things :)
[03:12] <Is> why is it the shiv?
[03:13] <Quazion> it works out of the box
[03:13] <Quazion> its free, no non free software installed
[03:13] <Quazion> its the best of the gnome and debian world
[03:13] <Is> i really need midi to work properly, is it guaranteed?
[03:13] <Quazion> it has 6 month release schedule
[03:13] <Quazion> Is, no idea... hehe
[03:14] <rudi-rudi> gnome inside ;-)
[03:14] <Quazion> its not really a multimedia distro since most multimedia things are non free
[03:14] <Quazion> so mp3 and mpeg,dvd are not included in the default install
[03:14] <Quazion> though for small business its a dream come tru...
[03:15] <rudi-rudi> ubuntu - when dreams come true.. ;-)
[03:15] <Quazion> just waiting for OpenOffice.org releases version 2.0
[03:15] <Is> i see
[03:17] <dcraven> "The shiv"?
[03:17] <Is> got a cell phone?
[03:20] <chet> if i installed win2k, after ubuntu, grub will be erased, is there a recovery method?
[03:21] <chet> sill me---   http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+grub+recovery&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[03:22] <joha1> dcraven: sorry I don't get it..I write  "gksudo nautilus" and get the login root popup. Then I get to a window called root..Am I on the right track?
[03:22] <Keizer> Morning guys
[03:23] <joha1> dcraven: What to do now?..
[03:23] <dcraven> joha1: Well you didn't write what I said to write.. But you are on the right track I guess.
[03:23] <abarbaccia> anybody using breezy and know how to get beagle working?
[03:24] <joha1> dcraven: It did't work for me or I diden't understand what you ment
[03:24] <dcraven> joha1: In the Run Dialog, type this: gksudo "nautilus --browser /home/$(whoami)"
[03:25] <dcraven> joha1: That will open the browser in your home directory, with root permissions I believe.
[03:26] <joha1> dcraven: Ok ..It is working:)
[03:26] <dcraven> joha1: Good. Be careful when you are in there.
[03:26] <karljp> my removable harddrive ha sbeen mounted with a umask of like 0700
[03:27] <karljp> anyway I can make it a bit more useful?
[03:27] <karljp> I can't serve webcontent of the removable harddrive as www-data can't read it
[03:27] <dcraven> abarbaccia: Does this work? --> http://www.beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[03:28] <sakaz> hi all
[03:28] <Bazzi-> karljp change the umask? ;)
[03:28] <dcraven> karljp: Is it in fstab?
[03:29] <sakaz> i just started Ubuntu this night
[03:29] <dcraven> Hey sakaz
[03:29] <joha1> dcraven: Yes ..but I don't want root acsess by defult I want Ubuntu to ask me to enter a root pasword if Im going to write in root maps..
[03:29] <sakaz> :)
[03:29] <karljp> bazzi: yeah, how do I do that though?
[03:29] <karljp> there's no fstab entry for it
[03:29] <karljp> it just gets done automagically
[03:29] <sakaz> do you have some good documentation for installing samba on Ubuntu
[03:30] <Bazzi-> mmh
[03:30] <Bazzi-> did I mention already that I hate the unix rights management? ;)
[03:30] <dcraven> joha1: Right click on the desktop, chose "Create Launcher" and create a desktop shortcut that way maybe? The "command" portion can be the same thing you typed into the Run Dialog. Then you'll have a shortcut on the desktop that does it for you.
[03:30] <angel12> how do i download the kernel headers/ source for hoary?
[03:31] <tritium_> angel12, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:31] <Bazzi-> angel12 apt-get install linux-headers`uname -r`
[03:31] <Bazzi-> arr
[03:31] <Bazzi-> :(
[03:32] <dcraven> sakaz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[03:32] <guruff> hello; how i can pass my ip as a parameter ????????
[03:33] <dcraven> guruff: I'm confused already.
[03:33] <joha1> dcraven: okej..I will do so. Is this only on my system or a defult ubuntu thing?
[03:33] <guruff> dcraven; some_script -p XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX <- i need XXX to be my ip
[03:34] <dcraven> joha1: It's a Linux thing. Users don't have permissions to write to system directories (eg. /usr/lib). Just their home directories.
[03:34] <guruff> dcraven; any ideas?
[03:34] <dcraven> guruff: I think it depends on the script.
[03:35] <dcraven> guruff: Are you trying to find out what your IP address is?
[03:35] <dcraven> guruff: If so, you'll find it in "ifconfig".
[03:35] <guruff> dcraven; yeah know tha
[03:35] <MikeEnIke> Hey can anyone help me partition my hard drive for buntu using Patition Magic?
[03:35] <guruff> dcraven; i'm using no-ip dns
[03:36] <joha1> dcraven: But then I used fedora it asked me for root password like synaptic do in Ubuntu..
[03:36] <dcraven> guruff: I'm still not quite sure what you are asking then I guess.
[03:36] <guruff> dcraven; ok
[03:36] <guruff> dcraven; i need to exec: no-ip -i <ip>
[03:37] <dcraven> guruff: Okay.
[03:37] <guruff> dcraven; and wan't this to happen without me having to type it manually :)
[03:38] <bluesign> is there a way i can use evolution to access my gmail account [other than POP3] ?
[03:39] <dcraven> joha1: Root works a little differently in ubuntu than in Fedora I'm guessing. Ubuntu disables the root account by default. For more info, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:40] <dcraven> bluesign: gmail doesn't support IMAP if that's what you're asking.
[03:40] <joha1> dcraven: If you are moving one dokument from the home map to for example urs on your computor what hapens?
[03:40] <beerockxs> dcraven: I think i found the problem why the gameport doesn't work, the module ns558 won't load
[03:40] <bluesign> dcraven: is there a plugin or something to read webmail from evolution?
[03:40] <joha1> dcraven: don't you get a root log in window?
[03:41] <karljp> just use pop and leave the mail onthe server :)
[03:41] <dcraven> joha1: I've never tried it. Give it a shot and see what happens :)
[03:41] <karljp> you lose some of the imap love of flags and stuff
[03:41] <bluesign> karljp: yeah, i was thinging about labels and stars
[03:42] <tritium_> karljp, only downside is the messages deleted in evolution don't get deleted on gmail account
[03:42] <nanaem> hi, anyone know what's wrong? in XFCE i can't run the synaptic package manager, it just says i have the wrong password. but in gnome it works fine, and i know i have the right pass.
[03:42] <seraphiel> where can I get aclocal,autoheader and the like?
[03:43] <fragspaz> i am having trouble with my gfx card
[03:44] <karljp> if you use pop and leave messages on the server, you should be able to set up your mail client to delete messages on the server that you deleete locally
[03:44] <fragspaz> i cant do anything that uses OGL or it shuts off
[03:44] <fragspaz> this has only started happening since i installed the driver
[03:44] <dcraven> seraphiel: build-essential
[03:44] <dcraven> seraphiel: I think autotools is in there.
[03:44] <seraphiel> dcraven: is it a res?
[03:45] <fragspaz> ?
[03:45] <dcraven> seraphiel: a res?
[03:45] <joha1> dcraven: what happens?:)
[03:46] <AzMoo> Does anybody know why I wouldn't be able to receive messages through AIM using Konversation?
[03:46] <seraphiel> dcraven: do I put it in sources.list?
[03:46] <dcraven> seraphiel: apt-get install build-essential
[03:46] <dcraven> seraphiel: I'm not positive it's part of that, but I'd assume it is.
[03:46] <fragspaz> i am having trouble with my gfx card i cant do anything that uses OGL or it shuts off this has only started happening since i installed the driver
[03:47] <seraphiel> dcraven: it seems to be working :) thanks
[03:47] <dcraven> joha1: Write permissions error... Just as it should.
[03:47] <tritium_> seraphiel, build-essential has many tools you'll likely want for development, but not autotools
[03:47] <bluesign> does anyone know VS.NET replacement ? or is it working on WINE?
[03:48] <tritium_> apt-cache depends build-essential
[03:48] <dcraven> tritium_: Crud.
[03:48] <seraphiel> tritium, it`s the autotools I need.. want to build e17
[03:48] <tritium_> dcraven, no worries
[03:49] <dcraven> tritium_: There must be a metapackage for autotools somewhere.. I'm lookin'.
[03:49] <tritium_> seraphiel, there are autotools-dev, automake, autoconf packags
[03:49] <tritium_> packages
[03:49] <karljp> bluesign: vs.net replacement in what way?
[03:49] <karljp> a great big IDE?
[03:50] <dcraven> seraphiel: Installing automake will drag in autoconf et al.
[03:50] <bluesign> karljp: i wanna code c# with windows form designer :)
[03:50] <karljp> so use windows?
[03:50] <CarlK> apt-get install autoconf
[03:50] <bluesign> karljp: i am trying to use only one OS
[03:50] <karljp> soooo use windows?
[03:50] <dcraven> karljp: I don't think so. Windows forms isn't a popular thing in Linux I don't think.
[03:51] <karljp> if you are a competent, windows can be made reasonably nice.
[03:51] <dcraven> karljp: You're nasty.
[03:51] <seraphiel> dcraven: and then I`m good to go with e17?
[03:51] <karljp> people are using windows forms with mono,
[03:51] <bluesign> karljp: but i love ubuntu :)
[03:51] <CarlK> bluesign - check out http://dabodev.com
[03:51] <dcraven> seraphiel: I didn't say that :)... I'm sure e17 has many dependancies.
[03:51] <joha1> dcraven: aha! okej thank you very much for your time and help:)
[03:51] <karljp> but not the vs.net designer
[03:51] <dcraven> joha1: Anytime.
[03:52] <seraphiel> dcraven, I`ll give it a try ;)
[03:52] <CarlK> bluesign - find the "dabo demo on Ubuntu Live CD" page
[03:52] <EightRabi> after a fresh install of Hoary, xorg only offers 640x480 (as described in bug 5917).  Is there anything I can do to get a better resolution?
[03:52] <seraphiel> dcraven: missing libtoolize
[03:53] <CarlK> bluesign - it isn't winforms/C#, but it will help you write nice database apps that are cross platrom
[03:53] <dcraven> bluesign: Visual Studio works great in VMWare though, if that is an option.
[03:53] <gabriel> hi
[03:53] <gabriel> can I get some support?
[03:53] <jjesse> sure we can try and help you what up?
[03:53] <CarlK> gabriel - yes, you need to click some things
[03:54] <bluesign> thanks all
[03:54] <dcraven> seraphiel: I guess that's not included in the automake depends then eh?
[03:54] <gabriel> well
[03:54] <gabriel> i have some problems with hotplug
[03:54] <bluesign> dcraven: what is the performance of VMWare?
[03:54] <jjesse> depends on the ram correct?
[03:54] <seraphiel> dcraven: found it.. tracing deps atm
[03:54] <gabriel> i upgraded my system from warty
[03:55] <gabriel> and it doesnt boot with the latest kernel
[03:55] <dcraven> bluesign: Depends on your machine.. Lots of RAM is nice. I have 728 in this laptop and it ran quite well. I had to boost the ram to 728 specifically for VMWare to be satisfactory though.
[03:55] <gabriel> i rename hotplug script
[03:56] <gabriel> an it boot
[03:56] <bluesign> dcraven: hmm RAM is not a problem, i will give it a try
[03:56] <dcraven> bluesign: But that of course is satisfactory to *me*.. Adequate performance is subjective. It was usable before the extra ram.
[03:56] <nanaem> anyone know why the sysaptic package monitor won't accept the password in XFCE, but works fine in gnome?
[03:56] <dcraven> bluesign: You'll be happy with it then for sure.
[03:56] <gabriel> of course it isnt the solution
[03:57] <elcu> hello, anyone know of a program that can save realmedia streams for offline viewing?
[03:57] <EightRabi> I'm using a voodoo5 with a viewsonic A90 monitor.  All of it appears to have been detected properly, yet xorg only runs in 640x480.  How can I downgrade back to xfree86?
[03:57] <jupiterste> I have a IBM ThinkCentre which is freezing up consistently, Debian users are reporting the same kind of problems, and it was recommeded to change the "IO-APIC option (X86_UP_IOAPIC = n)" does anyone know where that setting is located?
[03:57] <bluesign> dcraven: can i find it on Synaptic?
[03:57] <elcu> i had a good one in windows, but haven't found an alternative in linux
[03:57] <dcraven> bluesign: No. VMWare costs money.
[03:57] <Aneres> scusate..qual  il canale ubuntu italiano?
[03:58] <bluesign> dcraven: hmm i see
[03:58] <Dark3Lite> hey  guys
[03:58] <elcu> Aneres: er, #ubuntu-it maybe
[03:58] <Dark3Lite> when I   sudo apt-get install xmms
[03:59] <Dark3Lite>  Package xmms has no installation candidate
[03:59] <gabriel> i try to install a fresh hoary but always get a kernel panic
[03:59] <tritium_> jupiterste, that's a kernel parameter.  You'd have to compile a new kernel, and change that value.
[03:59] <jjesse> what repositories do you have Dark3Lite
[03:59] <gabriel> then a think a have to deal with hotplug
[03:59] <jjesse> isn't xmms in multiverse or something like that
[04:00] <dcraven> Dark3Lite: Sounds as though your sources.list is b0rked.
[04:00] <Dark3Lite> lol
[04:00] <Dark3Lite> haha
[04:00] <Dark3Lite> so what can I do to correct it?
[04:00] <dcraven> jjesse: No it's in main.
[04:00] <jjesse> ah thanks for correcting me dcraven
[04:00] <dcraven> jjesse: hehe.. np
[04:00] <Dark3Lite> dcraven what can I do to correct it?
[04:01] <karljp> comment out most of them, and do apt-get update
[04:01] <dcraven> Dark3Lite: Hmmm.. It kinda depends on how it got messed up. Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to www.pastebin.com and I'll have a look?
[04:01] <karljp> what have you got besides standard ubuntu ones?
[04:01] <Dark3Lite> aiight
[04:01] <Dark3Lite> cool
[04:01] <EightRabi> when using hoary, do I have to use x.org, or can I use the previous x-window-server?
[04:01] <Dark3Lite> dcraven
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> lol..
[04:02] <dcraven> There was a guy in here a couple of days ago with the same problem, I look at his sources.list on pastebin and he had every line commented.
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> all is commented..
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> lol
[04:02] <jupiterste> tritium_: is there an easy way to do that or is it complicated?
[04:02] <EightRabi> and, is there a one-line apt-get command I can use to "downgrade"?
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> exactly
[04:02] <dcraven> haha
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> just looked at that
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> lol
[04:02] <fragspaz> whats the location for my mounted floppy?
[04:02] <dcraven> Dark3Lite: Silly you.
[04:02] <Dark3Lite> adding some now..
[04:03] <tritium_> jupiterste, if you've never done it before, you may find it a bit complicated, but it's not too bad.
[04:03] <karljp> frag: /media/floppy probably
[04:03] <dcraven> fragspaz: typically it's in /media/floppy
[04:03] <fragspaz> thanks dcraven
[04:04] <karljp> (/me was first :P)
[04:04] <dcraven> fragspaz: No problem. Thanks karljp :)
[04:04] <gabriel> anyone have an idea?
[04:04] <Dark3Lite> shit
[04:04] <Dark3Lite> dc
[04:04] <karljp> shopping thyme for me *waves*
[04:04] <Dark3Lite> dcraven, uncommented all..and getting the same errors
[04:04] <dcraven> Dark3Lite: sudo apt-get update
[04:04] <Dark3Lite> yeah
[04:04] <Dark3Lite> just ran the command..
[04:04] <Dark3Lite> thanks..
[04:05] <Dark3Lite> everyday is a learning session
[04:05] <gabriel> yes i know
[04:05] <gabriel> i ve kill esound to listeninq music
[04:06] <dcraven> gabriel: I think if you can determine which module is causing problems, you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist and it will not be loaded by hotplug at boot time.
[04:06] <guruff> dcraven; that's what i was trying to do myip=$( /sbin/ifconfig | grep -A1 ppp0 | grep 'inet addr' | cut -d ":" -f 2 | cut -d " " -f 1 )
[04:06] <guruff> :P
[04:06] <yarr> hi
[04:06] <gabriel> the problem is that i didn t get any errors
[04:06] <dcraven> guruff: There you go dude. I was gonna suggest parsing ifconfig's output :) Nice.
[04:07] <yarr> thought this channel would only allow registered nicks to speak... perhaps I was wrong and was being ignored=)
[04:07] <dcraven> yarr: I think anyone can speak in here.
[04:07] <gabriel> i spent a lot of time reading the logs
[04:08] <gabriel> and i couldnt find anything
[04:08] <yarr> dcraven: haha!  at least someone can hear me, thanks for the verification--I'll keep trying my question...
[04:08] <dcraven> gabriel: I think you've narrowed it down to some module that hotplug is loading though right?
[04:09] <gabriel> it freeza loading hotplug system
[04:09] <dcraven> yarr: I haven't seen your question yet.. Or at least noticed it.
[04:09] <gabriel> but not errors
[04:09] <dcraven> gabriel: I don't think I have enough knowledge of hotplug to be useful.
[04:10] <gabriel> yes but thanks
[04:10] <gabriel> sorry about my english
[04:10] <yarr> dcraven: fresh install of hoary, x.org won't allow me to pick a resolution beyond 640x480.  There was a bugzilla ticket opened for it, but no resolution.  Should I "downgrade" to xfree86?
[04:11] <tritium_> yarr, no, most likely should try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[04:11] <yarr> tritium: thanks I'll give it a go!
[04:12] <dcraven> yarr: Probably downgrading is not the answer. Typically I've seen similar problems when monitor specs are not detected properly.
[04:12] <gabriel> dcraven?
[04:12] <tritium_> yarr, if that fails to solve it, we'll need to look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:12] <gabriel> did you check your xorg,conf file?
[04:12] <dcraven> yarr: Try what tritium_  said, then you could try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:13] <dcraven> gabriel: What am I checking my xorg.conf for?
[04:13] <gabriel> sorry it was for yar
[04:13] <gabriel> r
[04:13] <dcraven> Okay :)
[04:13] <gabriel> i cant do two thing at the same time
[04:15] <yarr> tritium: I'm looking up monitor sync values right now, never was asked for this stuff, chances are the monitor reported incorrect values during autodetection at install time--the log file reported invalid modeline errors
[04:15] <tritium_> yarr, right.   See the URL from dcraven too, okay?
[04:15] <dcraven> yarr: You are probably on the right track with that.
[04:15] <yarr> I will everyone, brb after a restart of X, thanks again for all your support!
[04:15] <gabriel> edit xorg.conf
[04:16] <AnguS> hi there! i just migrated my debian sarge server to ubuntu hoary, everything fine so far, dist-upgrade updated some packages... however there are a number of packages that are still debian, how can i upgrade those?
[04:16] <NixerX> Anyone use slapd?
[04:16] <yarr> gabriel: I did, I'm gonna double check the sync values for the monitor, thanks for your suggestion
[04:16] <AnguS> for example, sarge's apache2 is 2.0.54 whereas hoarys is 2.0.53, but i would like to get the hoary package installed
[04:16] <gabriel> yerterday i did it in my crux linux
[04:17] <gabriel> and it works
[04:17] <dcraven> AnguS: dist-upgrade does nothing more?
[04:18] <AnguS> dcraven nope
[04:18] <AnguS> is there a practical way to see, with dpkg or some other tool, if an installed package is from debian or from ubuntu?
[04:19] <dcraven> AnguS: I'm looking.. I can't remember how to see what is installed using dpkg..
[04:19] <nanomad> err..a question...wich are right permissions on /dev/dsp?
[04:20] <AnguS> i did a dpkg -l but i just see the versions, and not all ubuntu packages have the ubuntu suffix in the version so it's not of much use :P
[04:20] <gabriel> i not sure but ithink rx-rx-
[04:22] <tritium_> AnguS, dpkg -l.  Otherwise, apt-listpackages is a nice tool for that.
[04:22] <dcraven> AnguS: I'm not sure there would be a way then. I upgraded my school machine from sid to Hoary but wasn't concerned which versions of things were still being used.. As long as it works :)
[04:22] <gabriel> i my case
[04:22] <yarr> that did it everyone--the installer's choice of vertical sync was off by 30
[04:22] <gabriel> crw-rw----  1 root audio
[04:22] <gabriel> the sound works
[04:22] <tritium_> yarr, :)
[04:22] <yarr> I'm in love, once again ;-)
[04:22] <dcraven> yarr: Cool.
[04:23] <dcraven> heh
[04:23] <yarr> tritium_: sometimes you just know these things
[04:23] <gabriel> but nanomad
[04:23] <nanomad> yes?
[04:23] <tritium_> yarr, heh :)
[04:23] <rudi-rudi> gabriel, try sudo chmod a+rwx..
[04:23] <AnguS> dcraven as i'm running a server i'm concerned that all packages should be ubuntu and get upgraded when a security issue arises, right now my debian packages are kind of leftovers ehhe
[04:23] <gabriel> i have to kill esound
[04:23] <gabriel> lo listening
[04:23] <gabriel> music
[04:23] <dcraven> AnguS: Makes sense.
[04:23] <nanomad> i use kde
[04:24] <yarr> tritium_: your sister, Debi Ann, is also lovely
[04:24] <SlackShrike> where I find documentation on casper
[04:24] <SlackShrike> ?
[04:24] <gabriel> rudi-rudi
[04:24] <gabriel> the permisions are ok
[04:24] <gabriel> the problem is esound
[04:24] <tritium_> yarr, I'm glad you got it working
[04:25] <SlackShrike> where I find documentation on casper?
[04:25] <gabriel> it not the first time
[04:25] <yarr> tritium_: I'll double-check the wiki, too.  Maybe I missed something.
[04:25] <dcraven> SlackShrike: Depends on what casper is.
[04:25] <tritium_> yarr, have you restarted X?  Do you have higher resolutions now?
[04:26] <Mabus> Hi, I'm having some problems booting the Hoary LiveCD on a Acer TravelMate 250 - it seems to work fine all the way up to the point where it tries to start X... I presume I have to boot with a different vga= option or something - can anyone help me figure it out ?
[04:26] <rudi-rudi> gabriel, hm.. and /etc/esound ?
[04:26] <yarr> tritium_: yep, ran dpkg-reconfigure, but really only changed the vertical sync value
[04:26] <tritium_> yarr, ok
[04:26] <yarr> tritium_: restarted, good resolution now.
[04:26] <tritium_> good deal
[04:26] <gabriel> well
[04:26] <SlackShrike> dcraven: Casper is the package for the live-cd
[04:27] <gabriel> this not the first time i have problems with alsa and esound
[04:27] <Mabus> it won't be the last time either.
[04:27] <gabriel> y just kill esound for ever and the things works
[04:27] <tritium_> SlackShrike, Kamion just told you
[04:28] <Mabus> anyway, I tried that vga=771, but that didn't work ...
[04:28] <dcraven> SlackShrike: If you are trying to customize the CD, there is --> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[04:28] <dcraven> Damn, I gotta split.. Later!
[04:29] <Mabus> maybe that vga option is for the textmode part of the boot process, and not the X setup ?
[04:31] <gabriel> Mabus, What message did you get?
[04:31] <SlackShrike> dcraven : I am like create a Live with my kernel and other programs
[04:32] <SlackShrike> dcraven : I am like create from debian-installer with casper
[04:32] <gabriel> i gointo to do the same some day
[04:33] <Raskall> hey, hey, hey.. a temperature of 44 degrees celsius. Not bad. Getting the hang of power management now. it's only a week since I couldn't get the temp below 70.
[04:33] <Mabus> gabriel: I'll boot again to give you the exact message, but it was the standard "X could not start / do you want to see the error output yes/no" message.
[04:34] <gabriel> check the options
[04:34] <Mabus> which ones ?
[04:34] <gabriel> with f2 f3 f4 f5
[04:35] <Mabus> yes, I've looked through them
[04:35] <Consumer> hi guys, I didn't really have the time to play with iptables so I put firestarter on my box
[04:35] <Consumer> I did iptables -L to see what was going on
[04:35] <Consumer> and got this huge list
[04:35] <Mabus> I tried using vga=771 debian-installer/framebuffer=false noacpi nolapic
[04:35] <Consumer> one of which was:
[04:35] <Consumer> Chain NR (1 references)
[04:35] <Mabus> but got the same error
[04:35] <Consumer> with about 200 items
[04:35] <Turms> i've downloaded hoary, is it possible to use the selection of packages i have from sarge (dpkg --get-selection > select0305
[04:36] <gabriel> what is your video card?
[04:36] <JaZy84> hey can someone help me use makefile
[04:36] <Mabus> I'll have to check the acer website, 2sec.
[04:38] <Mabus> (at least it would take 2sec if the acer homepage wasn't dead-slow)
[04:38] <tritium_> JaZy84, you should install make-doc, and then read the docs with the help browser
[04:38] <JaZy84> alright thans
[04:38] <tritium_> It's a good read, well worth it.
[04:38] <Paralla1> I have an error with my kernel
[04:38] <tritium_> JaZy84, are you trying to use or create a Makefile?
[04:39] <JaZy84> well i have a program i wrote (for school) in c++ that has 2 c++ files and a *.h file. i want to use make so i can just compile the set.
[04:39] <Paralla1> I compile the <IP_ADDRESS> with no errors, but I reboot and says: Kernel Panic unable to mount root partition, or something like that at the very begginig
[04:40] <Mabus> gabriel: SIS VGA
[04:40] <Turms> Mabus lspci doesn't work?
[04:40] <AnguS> Paralla1 check if you compiled the correct driver for your hard disk controller, and if you compiled the correct file system support
[04:40] <Fish-Face> It appears that my Networking settings (default Gateway, active devices) are not saved on reboot
[04:40] <Mabus> Turms: my problem is that I can't boot the livecd, so no :)
[04:41] <Fish-Face> Anyone know what might cause this?
[04:42] <Mabus> what is the username/password on the hoary livecd btw ?
[04:42] <Mabus> then I could do lspci
[04:42] <Paralla1> Angus: my steps where: cp /boot/config-2.6.10-5-k7 /usr/src/linux , make oldconfig, make menuconfig to activate the ntfs write support, sudo make, sudo make modules_install install
[04:43] <gabriel> linux acpi=off vga=791
[04:43] <Paralla1> so it should be working
[04:44] <AnguS> Paralla1 odd :(
[04:44] <gabriel> try this option
[04:44] <AnguS> what is the best package manager (non-graphical) to use with ubuntu?
[04:44] <tritium_> AnguS, I prefer aptitude
[04:45] <sigpc> I just installed ubuntu on my laptop (pentium 4 2.8ghz) and the default kernel that it used was the .i386? shouldn't it be using the i686 ?
[04:45] <Turms> saik0:  dselect?
[04:45] <tritium_> sigpc, 386 is installed by default.  You certainly can upgrade to linux-686, though.
[04:45] <AnguS> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[04:45] <AnguS>   aptitude
[04:45] <AnguS> uh, what happened?
[04:45] <sigpc> tritium: gracias
[04:46] <tritium_> sigpc, de nada ;)
[04:47] <JaZy84> tritium
[04:47] <wnight> I'd like to install a gqview 2.0 (from breezy, universe) on a hoary system, how can I do this without installing libc updates, a new C compiler, etc?
[04:47] <Turms> ubuntu doesn' have dselect? shame!t
[04:47] <JaZy84> you think you could help out. i read the doc. but i'm still getting one little error
[04:47] <sigpc> yes it does Turms
[04:47] <sigpc> Debian `dselect' package handling frontend.
[04:48] <sigpc> shame you!
[04:48] <sigpc> :)
[04:50] <Turms> sigpc synaptic then!
[04:50] <sdog> any dedicated linuxppc ubuntu #'s around btw ?
[04:50] <crystal_> I am new to linux (2 days) and I am having difficulty geting music files to work, sound works as well as cds, but movies are mute and mp3s will not play. Will somebody help me?
[04:51] <Paralla1> install xmms and xine
[04:51] <PlanarPlatypus> crystal_, it is probably a codec problem, I think there was something on the forums about it
[04:51] <tritium_> crystal_, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:52] <crystal_> thank you
[04:53] <Mabus> gabriel: same issue
[04:53] <kosmic_youth> do you know if there is a problem with the Launchpad ? rosetta ?
[04:53] <Mabus> gabriel: I'm at the tty prompt now, "ubuntu login:"
[04:53] <Mabus> so if you know the username/pass I can log in and provide some log details maybe
[04:54] <lamont> gabriel: and?
[04:55] <i_m_meen> hello
[04:55] <Mabus> "I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" is the dialog I get.
[04:56] <Paralla1> Does anyone recompile a kernel in ubuntu???
[04:56] <i_m_meen> just wondering, any news about a xfce ubuntu? or just gossip?
[04:56] <i_m_meen> recompile a kernel?
[04:57] <i_m_meen> why not? :P
[04:57] <PlanarPlatypus> Paralla1, sometimes but I have not needed to yet
[04:57] <tritium_> i_m_meen, it's available to install
[04:57] <Paralla1> can you help me please
[04:57] <PlanarPlatypus> Paralla1, possibly
[04:57] <PlanarPlatypus> depends on the problem
[04:57] <lamont> gabriel: what problem are you seeing?
[04:57] <lamont> "doesn't boot" doesn't really tell me anything
[04:57] <Paralla1> I compile it but when I reboot it gives me a kernel panic cannot mount root partition
[04:57] <i_m_meen> @tritium: no, no. no..i'm running a xfce ubuntu, i meant boot cd
[04:58] <PlanarPlatypus> Paralla1, what is your boot drive connected to?  IDE or SATA?
[04:58] <Paralla1> the / is IDE
[04:58] <Mabus> lamont: gabriel is helping me with a boot problem, I haven't seen him asking one.. but maybe I just missed it.
[04:58] <Fackamato> Why isn't there a /proc/config.gz in ubuntu kernels?
[04:58] <lamont> Paralla1: and how vanilla is your install?
[04:58] <lexhider> crystal: for movies I would recommend the totem-xine package, it's in universe.
[04:58] <Paralla1> what ??
[04:58] <lamont> Mabus: he showed up in #ubuntu-kernel, which is the wrong place for support, and I'm trying to drag himback to the right channel
[04:58] <Paralla1> lamont : what?
[04:59] <Mabus> lamont: ah, right.
[04:59] <mrimbert> Fackamato, the kernel configs are in /boot
[04:59] <Stuttergart2> Can someone point me to the disk space requirements for a fresh Warty install?
[04:59] <lamont> Paralla1: did you just tell it to use the whole disk, or did you customize the partitions?
[04:59] <jacquesmerde> phwoar, hoary is pretty sweet. far less suckage than warty
[04:59] <Paralla1> I downloaded the <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:59] <gabriel> it freeze in hotplug system , la
[04:59] <Stuttergart2> I didn't see it in the Wiki.
[04:59] <Fackamato> mrimbert: sorry, doh
[04:59] <Stuttergart2> Err
[04:59] <lamont> Paralla1: 2.6.11 is known to be trash
[04:59] <Stuttergart2> for Hoary I mean.
[04:59] <lamont> don't use it
[04:59] <lexhider> Parallal: are you sure grub setup is ok, and are you sure you have the necessary fs compiled into kernel?
[04:59] <PlanarPlatypus> Paralla1, have you checked things like your IDE driver being a module?
[04:59] <gabriel> yes , i did it
[04:59] <gabriel> but i dont have network, sound
[04:59] <Paralla1> yep
[05:00] <jacquesmerde> "ubuntu: sarge's waiting room"
[05:00] <Paralla1> ext2 ext3 , nvidia chipset
[05:00] <Fackamato> Ubuntu's 2.6.11 doesn't work very well over here - doesn't even boot. It has issues with the ICH5 S-ATA controller or something. (ready,drive seek error etc).
[05:00] <Fackamato> Anyone having similar issues=
[05:00] <lamont> Fackamato: 2.6.11 is known to be broken and unusable.  don't do that
[05:00] <lamont> 2.6.12rc3 will get uploaded sometime soonish
[05:00] <gabriel> lamont, it works with kernel 2.6.8
[05:00] <Paralla1> mmmmm
[05:00] <PlanarPlatypus> Fackamato, I had similar issues, my solution was to run 2.6.10
[05:00] <lamont> gabriel: this is 2.6.10-5-34 or so?
[05:01] <gabriel> latest ubuntu kernel
[05:01] <lamont> gabriel: hoary?
[05:01] <lexhider> stuttergant2: they wouldn' have changet much from warty.
[05:01] <Paralla1> I just trying to learn how to do it
[05:01] <gabriel> and the same happens with k7s kernel
[05:01] <gabriel> yes
[05:01] <lexhider> s/changet/changed
[05:02] <Fackamato> lamont: aha, OK.
[05:02] <Fackamato> PlanarPlatypus: Yup, I'm using 2.6.10 now.
[05:02] <Fackamato> No issues so far.
[05:02] <gabriel> i ty k7 and i386 Hoarys kernel
[05:02] <lexhider> stuttergart2: for warty: 1.8G for standard Ubuntu desktop system, that info is from the official warty CD cover.
[05:03] <gabriel> try
[05:03] <Stuttergart2> lexhider: Do you have a URL for the reqs for Hoary?
[05:03] <lamont> gabriel: this was after dist-upgrading from warty to hoary?
[05:03] <gabriel> yes
[05:04] <lexhider> stuttergart2: I'll see if I can find them, but I'd be surprised if they were all that different from Warty to Hoary.
[05:05] <Mabus> gabriel: I have the same issue with acpi=off and vga=791.
[05:05] <gabriel> well
[05:05] <lamont> gnat_x: is good place
[05:05] <gabriel> it happens to me in Knoppix
[05:05] <lamont> although the general answer is: download the livecd and play with it
[05:05] <gabriel> it has and option failsafe
[05:06] <gnat_x> cool
[05:06] <Mabus> gabriel: aha, so I should try Knoppix, maybe ?
[05:06] <gabriel> did you try?
[05:06] <Mabus> not yet
[05:07] <Mabus> only ubuntu
[05:07] <gabriel> well for alive cds
[05:07] <gabriel> Knoppix is good
[05:07] <JoshRA> Hello can a nfts drive be loaded at all in ubuntu
[05:07] <Mabus> yes
[05:07] <Echylo> what is a good & easy configurable ftp server?
[05:07] <AnguS> vsftpd
[05:07] <lamont> JoshRA: read only, but yes
[05:07] <sig> JoshRA: http://ubuntuguide.org has a good howto
[05:07] <Mabus> I will try Knoppix then :/
[05:07] <Mabus> lamont: maybe you're able to take a look at my problem first ?
[05:08] <lamont> Mabus: if it works with Knoppix but not hoary, would be interested in knowing that...
[05:08] <Echylo> AnguS, is it easy to configure, or what is the method ?
[05:08] <Mabus> I haven't tried Knoppix yes.
[05:08] <Mabus> *yet
[05:08] <gnat_x> i have two big questions: 1. how different are ubuntu's kernels, X install, and hardware support from debian sarge (which i'm currently running, and which locks up, and i can't find why)?
[05:08] <lamont> Mabus: I'm actually supposed to be somewhere else as of about an hour ago... :-(
[05:08] <Mabus> lamont: :S
[05:08] <gabriel> Mabus Is your laptop an old one?
[05:08] <Mabus> yes, maybe 1-2 years.
[05:09] <Mabus> "old"
[05:09] <JoshRA> thanks lamont i knew nfts can only be ro but in like fedora you can not do anythingw ith out editing configs and sig i am wating for that to load thanks
[05:09] <gabriel> no so old
[05:09] <Mabus> no
[05:09] <lamont> gnat_x: ubuntu is a 2.6.10 kernel, xorg 6.8.2, and more 3rd party drivers, I believe
[05:09] <gnat_x> question two is, how different are the apt repositoriries from those of sarge as far as breadth and age?
[05:09] <Turms> proftp
[05:09] <JoshRA> sig: what is the flag foir fstab just ntfs?
[05:10] <Mabus> lamont: OK, so it is a Acer Travelmate 270 with a SIS VGA card, and the boot goes fine until it tries to start the X server - then I'm thrown back to tty. I've tried vga=771 and vga=791.
[05:10] <lexxan> ?? mountntfs
[05:10] <Paralla1> JoshRa: tes
[05:10] <[uhelp] > mountntfs: To learn about mounting windows partitions (ntfs, fat) see - http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#windows
[05:10] <Echylo> Turms, I just installed proftp, not that fun to configure :|
[05:10] <lamont> gnat_x: upstream version freeze hits about 3 months before release.  so hoary is (generally) sid as of december 28, 2004
[05:10] <Mabus> If you can't think of anything I should try immediately, I'll try Knoppix.
[05:10] <lamont> gnat_x: with xorg, etc.
[05:10] <JoshRA> lexxan: it is Not loading
[05:10] <lamont> and gnome 2.10.1, of course
[05:10] <lexxan> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/here ?
[05:10] <lamont> Mabus: that's an "xorg problem"
[05:11] <Mabus> it's my problem as well :/
[05:11] <gnat_x> oh and i guess i have a third... is the installer flexible enough to not want to nuke my /home and /work partitions?
[05:11] <Mabus> lamont: is there a solution to it ?
[05:11] <lamont> gnat_x: breezy is current sid + ubuntu changes, modulo the fact that not all the merges have been finished yet, etc.
[05:12] <lamont> Mabus: dunno - first place to look would be the X log, then the output of the things that X uses for autodetection
[05:12] <wnight> How can I set ubuntu to not boot X by default?
[05:12] <Mabus> yes, but I can't log in to review the log
[05:12] <Mabus> since it's a livecd I don't know the user/pass
[05:12] <gabriel> more /var/log
[05:12] <gabriel> let me see
[05:12] <lamont> gnat_x: you have to hit it over the head - the default install is "full disk", but you can override that to do your own partitioning
[05:13] <lamont> gnat_x: the installer folks do that all the time (it's basically debian-installer with the question count brought down to near zero)
[05:13] <gabriel> Xorg.0.log
[05:13] <Mabus> yes, but I have to log in first
[05:13] <gnat_x> lamont: *nod*
[05:13] <Mabus> what is the user/pass for the livecd ?
[05:13] <lexhider> Stuttergart2: I can't find that info either, it really should be in the release notes.
[05:13] <lamont> Mabus: no unlocked account on the livecd
[05:13] <Mabus> so I can't log in from tty
[05:13] <Mabus> ?
[05:13] <lamont> it should just come up in a tty that's logged in already
[05:14] <Mabus> it doesn't
[05:14] <lamont> that's a casper bug
[05:14] <Mabus> ..
[05:14] <Mabus> so then I can't review the log either
[05:15] <CheeseBall> does anyone know of a good web design progarm like dreamweaver for linux
[05:15] <Mabus> NVU
[05:15] <gabriel> try knoppix the father of alive CDs
[05:15] <lamont> Mabus: I'd have to play with it some to come up with a good way to crowbar that open...
[05:15] <Rubin> CheeseBall: quanta
[05:15] <Mabus> lamont: OK, well I'll try knoppix then.
[05:15] <icebalm> the father of alive CDs
[05:15] <wnight> Hey, X isn't working well for me at boot, how do I boot to console mode by default?
[05:15] <icebalm> that statement conjurs imagry I would rather not have
[05:16] <jacquesmerde> would be a nightmare to try and get my mum's crappy small apps running on wine on ubuntu?
[05:16] <Mabus> gabriel, lamont, thanks for the help
[05:16] <Rubin> jacquesmerde: there is a compatability guide. the older the app the better
[05:16] <Mabus> I'll be back some time to say how it went with Knoppix
[05:16] <lamont> Mabus: please
[05:16] <gabriel> wine its a nigthmare
[05:16] <CheeseBall> thanks Rubin
[05:16] <lamont> Mabus: and sorry I couldn't immediately help more
[05:16] <Mabus> lamont: hm ?
[05:17] <wnight> Anyone? Is there a runlevel that doesn't start X?
[05:17] <lamont> Mabus: please let us know how it goes.
[05:17] <Mabus> ah
[05:17] <sig> anyone know how to change xchat colors back to normal ?
[05:17] <Mabus> lamont: yes np, thanks again
[05:17] <icebalm> jacquesmerde: never bank on emulation
[05:17] <sig> the default colors suck on this 2.4.1 build
[05:17] <lamont> Mabus: likewise, you could follow the wiki steps for editing the livecd to add a user...
[05:17] <Rubin> wnight: remove /etc/init.d/gdm
[05:17] <Mabus> yes
[05:17] <Mabus> but you know, I can't be bothered.
[05:17] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, what apps are you hoping to run?
[05:17] <jacquesmerde> icebalm: how hard/trivial is it to set up wine itself on ubuntu?
[05:17] <lamont> Mabus: understood
[05:17] <icebalm> jacquesmerde: not hard
[05:17] <lexxan> jacquesmerde, apt-get install wine
[05:18] <Rubin> wnight: or rather, unlink /etc/rc2.d/gdm
[05:18] <icebalm> lexxan: you beat me to it
[05:18] <wnight> Rubin: I'm looking for a change like booting into runlevel 3 versus 5 in redhat.
[05:18] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, the configuration is the hardest part
[05:18] <jacquesmerde> whiteknight: the only app at the moment is bridge baron
[05:18] <jacquesmerde> which repository is wine in?
[05:18] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, :) as long as it isn't the latest directx game you should be okay
[05:18] <Rubin> wnight: if ubuntu is the same as debian, runlevel 2 is default and 3-5 are yours to setup as you wish (using /etc/rcx.d/ links)
[05:18] <jacquesmerde> actually, which repository is gftp in?
[05:19] <wnight> Rubin, okay, thanks!
[05:19] <lexxan> universe.
[05:19] <jacquesmerde> whiteknight: configuration of the app in wine or wine itself?
[05:19] <gabriel> you need wine , one configuration tool
[05:19] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, wine itself, once its done, it works pretty well
[05:19] <gabriel> i dont remember the name
[05:20] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, its been a couple of years since i've used it, now run ppc ubuntu, but then it was possible
[05:20] <jacquesmerde> what are the variable in a wine config that have to be determined on an individual basis?
[05:20] <gabriel> it works for office, internet explorer
[05:20] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, if i remember rightly there is a really useful gui somewhere
[05:20] <jacquesmerde> whiteknight: its just that if i dont get this win game running on my mum's computer she's gonna slap me silly for deleting windows for her
[05:20] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, i'll have a look
[05:20] <gabriel> yes
[05:21] <gabriel> chek in winehq
[05:21] <Rubin> jacquesmerde: a game like minesweeper? or a game like doom?
[05:21] <Solarin> Hi folks, wonder if someone could help me. I'm trying to setup my snd-es18xx soundcard on my fresh install of Hoary. Previously was a debian user and set it up via /etc/modutils/alsa-base and running update-modules since the card doesn't support auto detection. Doesn't appear to work this time though, any ideas?
[05:21] <gabriel> i remember
[05:22] <gabriel> check in franks corner
[05:22] <JoshRA> do you have to add something to beable to play mp3's in ubuntu
[05:22] <resiak> ++ubuntu_user_count /* Hoary has fixed sound for someone who wasn't using Warty because ALSA didn't like his chip.
[05:22] <Solarin> Yup, grab the g-streamer mp3 plugin, worked for me :-)
[05:23] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, i'd definitly go for it, the default should suffice, if not come back here or look here: http://www.winehq.com/site/docs/wine-user/config-file
[05:23] <gabriel> or by crossoveroffice
[05:23] <jacquesmerde> Rubin: a game like bridge baron, from looking at its gui, i doubt its using any modern, highpowered stuff. i think its the kind of game that runs on win95, and can be copied from cd rather than installing
[05:24] <gabriel> for games check cedega
[05:24] <jacquesmerde> cedega?
[05:24] <Solarin> Darn, no clue on how to get Ubuntu to auto modprobe on startup?
[05:24] <gabriel> the version of wine for games
[05:24] <orospakr> Solarin, /etc/modules
[05:25] <Solarin> orospakr -> I need to specify all the parameters for the soundcard, can I do that in there?
[05:25] <jacquesmerde> Solarin: modprobe what???
[05:25] <Solarin> Alsa module, snd-es18xx
[05:26] <Anubis> how to remove duplicate menu entries?
[05:26] <gabriel> check /etc/modprobe.conf
[05:26] <orospakr> Solarin, er, I dunno. check the manpage. prolly man modules or some such.
[05:27] <Solarin> Gabriel: Still supported in Hoary? New to it, got the impression they'd killed that, update-modules doesn't generate the modprobe.conf for me.
[05:28] <gabriel> sorry in ubuntu is /modules.conf
[05:28] <chx_> hi. anyone using pymusique?
[05:28] <gabriel> the old way
[05:28] <jacquesmerde> you can do a man modules.conf, that should tell you how to pass paramaters on startup
[05:28] <Solarin> Ok, thanks. I'll let you know if it works ;-)
[05:29] <n00d> aanyone connections here freeze after a while ?
[05:29] <Solarin> Argh, no man page for modules.conf
[05:29] <jacquesmerde> gabriel: i found that cedega thing. i went to browse games, and found the bridge baron page, but it doesnt say whether or not its supported (it looks like it isnt, but is the fact that the page is there at all suggest it is?)
[05:29] <jacquesmerde> Solarin: sorry, there is on this machine (admittedly, its not running ubuntu at the mo')
[05:29] <whiteknight> jacquesmerde, give it ago is what i recommend, if it works on win95 it'll work with wine
[05:30] <jacquesmerde> whiteknight: it definitely works with win98
[05:30] <Solarin> Jac: Yah, had it working fine in Debian. Ubuntu doesn't seem to have any obvious alternative though
[05:30] <Solarin> Man for update-modules states that it's depreciated and not supported.
[05:30] <Zen> hlo all... i have a tar.bz2 file and i was just wondering about the command to unpack it is? i know its tar something but i cant remember.
[05:30] <gabriel> i cant support in games
[05:30] <whiteknight> go for it :)
[05:30] <jacquesmerde> whiteknight: does wine support windows installation wizards?
[05:31] <gabriel> yes
[05:31] <jeroen_> yes
[05:31] <josh42> How can I make all 5.1 speakers active in hoary?
[05:31] <jacquesmerde> Solarin: if man modprobe.conf is on my computer, it must be online as well
[05:31] <wnight> I'm trying to install GQview 2 on Hoary, it's trying to install all of breezy as well.. Please help.
[05:31] <gabriel> Solarin what problem have with your sound?
[05:31] <chx_> so, anyone using pymusique or itunes with crossover ?
[05:31] <Zen> anybody help?
[05:32] <Solarin> Gabriel: I can get sound, but only by executing a long modprobe command
[05:32] <thully> chx_ : i've used both
[05:32] <dcraven> Zen: tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[05:32] <thully> pymusique seems to work best, once you get it set up, but there is the license issues...
[05:33] <dcraven> Zen: For tar.gz it's "tar xvzf filename.tar.gz
[05:34] <n00d> my connection freeze after a while... does anyone have a clue about it ?
[05:34] <dcraven> Zen: swap the j for a z.
[05:34] <wnight> How do I get just one package from Breezy/Universe without libc and everything else?
[05:34] <jacquesmerde> gabriel: so how do i find out if something in the cedega database WORKS with cedega?
[05:34] <chx_> wnight: source it
[05:34] <wnight> chx_: I need to do a source install and compile it?
[05:35] <Kisain> i have a question
[05:35] <gabriel> I dont now i only read about it working with wine
[05:35] <i_m_meen> where can i find wine? i have main, uni, multi and i still can't find it :(
[05:35] <i_m_meen> is it gone from the repository?
[05:35] <chx_> wnight: yes. according to apt howto, that's one of the main usages of source
[05:35] <chx_> apt-get source , that
[05:35] <wnight> chx_: When I ran the liveCD I added a breezy/universe source and it grabbed just the one package. Running the installed version it gives different results.
[05:35] <dcraven> wnight: Packages are compiled using the libraries that they depend on. If those libraries are of a higher version than what you have, you need those too. That's what depends are for.
[05:36] <Kisain> can someone help me with a dual boot problem?
[05:36] <wnight> dcraven: Can I install two versions of libc side by side?
[05:36] <dcraven> wnight: I doubt that's a good idea.
[05:36] <gabriel> i alwas have problems with alsa
[05:36] <wnight> Kisain: Just ask, otherwise nobody knows. We're all willing to try.
[05:37] <Kisain> ok i have 2 hardrive one has ubuntu on it and the other on the secondary ide has win sucxp
[05:37] <Solarin> Ah, I have the solution. update-modules is disabled by default. You need the 'modutils' package to make it active. Great :-D
[05:37] <Kisain> ubuntu sees the win install and offers it as a boot option but the computer just hangs it dosen't freeze just hangs
[05:38] <Kisain> i tryed update-grub but it diden't work any ideas?
[05:38] <Kisain> update-grub did work but with no results i should say
[05:38] <josh42> Kisain; You had XP on first? Did you change the drives around the get ubuntu on? (change from master/slave, etc)
[05:38] <jacquesmerde> where's a good how-to for installing games under wine? (i'm assuming the itnernet somewhere....i wish i was a better googler...)
[05:38] <Kisain> yes when i set xp up it was the only drive in the system
[05:39] <gabriel> i ve modutils
[05:39] <Kisain> then i moved it to the secondary ide channel and kept it as primary drive with the cd-rom as slave
[05:39] <gabriel> by default
[05:39] <josh42> Kisain; winxp hates you now; that's why
[05:39] <Kisain> oh i know that
[05:39] <dcraven> Kisain: Something tells me XP doesn't like being secondary.
[05:40] <josh42> try moving the drive back to where it was, and taking the second out
[05:40] <Kisain> i knew that the moment i said ubuntu rocks! lol
[05:40] <Kisain> well it won't work as primary ide
[05:40] <Kisain> slave
[05:40] <wnight> Kisain: Moving it would change the drive identifier, did you move it after setting up ubuntu?
[05:40] <Kisain> ok heres the full version
[05:40] <josh42> Kisain; WinXP /hates/ being moved.. plus, it's bootloader does some funky things; if you touch it with grub/lilo, it loses some abilities
[05:40] <Kisain> i had it dual booting with xp on a diffrent hd
[05:41] <Kisain> that hd crashed
[05:41] <Kisain> so i started over again
[05:41] <dcraven> Kisain: "fdisk -l" will tell you the device it's on based on the filesystem type. Make sure your /boot/grub/menu.lst agrees with that device.
[05:41] <Kisain> i don't think grub understands that
[05:41] <jacquesmerde> if milli vanilli fell in the woods, would somebody else make a sound?
[05:41] <Kisain> how would i go about doing that? the lasttime i just ran the update grub command
[05:42] <josh42> winxp refers to itself like: drive(0), partition(1) - if you move that to drive(1), partition(1); xp's own bootloader loses the os
[05:42] <unperson> I upgraded to Hoary recently using apt-get.  Things seem to be working pretty well, except that since the upgrade I can't seem to play music.  If I try to play mp3s with XMMS or Beep they just freeze (and have to be killed using 'kill').  CD player also won't play.
[05:42] <tony> who knows kpackage?
[05:42] <unperson> Any ideas what's going on?
[05:42] <unperson> Or at least clues as to how I determine what's going on?
[05:43] <Kisain> would it be safe to set up xp on the secondary ide with ubuntu still on the primary?
[05:43] <Xappe> unperson: have you tried to change the sound output?
[05:43] <esko> its esound?
[05:43] <Seveas> unperson, ubunto hoary uses a different sound system than ubuntu warty
[05:43] <unperson> I didn't see any obvious errors on boot.  I get an error that pciehp module doesn't load, but I read that's for PCI extreme, which I don't have anyway.
[05:43] <Kisain> cause the last time i set up xp i pulled the grub drive just to be safe
[05:43] <josh42> Kisain; as long as you set up XP first, and then left the drives as they are - yes
[05:43] <Seveas> unperson, errors regarping pciehp/shpchp/hw_random can be safely ignored
[05:44] <Kisain> would i have to re-do ubuntu?
[05:44] <josh42> No
[05:44] <tractor> good morning Ubuntu!
[05:44] <Seveas> tractor, it's evening :)
[05:44] <Kisain> no it's noone
[05:44] <unperson> Seveas:  Oh?  What changed about the sound?  Are there config changes I should make?
[05:44] <Kisain> lol
[05:44] <tractor> good evening you eveningers
[05:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here installed the DCGUI-QT package?
[05:44] <unperson> Xappe:  No, I haven't.  It's a good idea.
[05:44] <josh42> BUT
[05:44] <josh42> you would lose the bootloader for it (cause you put it in the MBR, and xp will overwrite it)
[05:44] <Kisain> so i just setup xp with the way the drives are and my problem should be solved?
[05:44] <tony> i've got a Authentication failure
[05:45] <unperson> Xappe:  I guess I don't know what I should try, but I'll mess with it.
[05:45] <esko> i got problem, how i can look avi movies
[05:45] <lexxan> esko, w32codecs
[05:45] <lexxan> ** codec
[05:45] <[uhelp] > Found 2 matches. Sorted: manualcodec, restricted. (0.027s)
[05:45] <tractor> someone say ubuntu
[05:45] <Seveas> unperson, i do not know about the details, but hoary uses esd
[05:45] <majorb> i cant find the w32 codecs
[05:45] <lexxan> ?? restricted
[05:45] <josh42> Kisain; Make sure you make a linux floppy bootloader first to fix lilo after
[05:45] <[uhelp] > restricted: To find out more about java, dvd playing, codecs etc. see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:45] <lexxan> Check that site..
[05:45] <Kisain> ok how do i make that floppy?
[05:45] <lexxan> or just add the marillat repo
[05:45] <lexxan> ?? marillat
[05:46] <[uhelp] > marillat[x] : No defenition found for word.
[05:46] <lexxan> ** marillat
[05:46] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: marillathoary. (0.002s)
[05:46] <lexxan> ** marillathoary
[05:46] <Kisain> so if it screws up i don't loose the most awsome os ever
[05:46] <Xappe> FunnyLookinHat: the DCGUI-QT in the repos are really old (think it's even older than the name change to valknut). try to compile it yourself, you won't regret it
[05:46] <[uhelp] > Found 1 matches. Sorted: marillathoary. (0.001s)
[05:46] <lexxan> ?? marillathoary
[05:46] <[uhelp] > marillathoary: To quickly add the marillat repository enter this in console - echo deb http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main| sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list - Now type sudo apt-get update
[05:46] <tractor> Knock. Knock.
[05:46] <n00d> my connection freeze after a while... does anyone have a clue about it ?
[05:46] <Seveas> n00d, no
[05:46] <The_Feet> anyone able to help with a question regarding nvidia drivers for ubunu?
[05:46] <Seveas> n00d, maybe you can give some detail...
[05:47] <Seveas> The_Feet, just ask...
[05:47] <Kisain> can you tell me how to make and use that floppy?
[05:47] <bretzel> Hi there again! GrumpyGroundhog: what is that in term of "developers" packages system ? only for debian-ubuntu developers ?
[05:47] <Seveas> bretzel, it will be a rolling unstable
[05:47] <n00d> Seveas: well, i connect using ADSL and a 3COM homeconnect modem... and then authenticate through web page my login... i was updanting my system and then i couldnt navigate anymore
[05:48] <FunnyLookinHat> at least he's enthusiastic :)
[05:48] <The_Feet> well, i can use the tutorial at ubuntuguide.org but when i do that, it seems it wants to use an 1386 kernel instead of the k7 one, i have an AMD xp2000+ here :(
[05:48] <n00d> Seveas: several times... I use pppoeconf as said in howto
[05:48] <Seveas> n00d, when you cannot navigate, can you still ping or use dig?
[05:48] <unperson> Seveas:  Ah, thanks.  Switching to the esd output seems to have solved the problem.  This seems to be a general issue that will come up with upgrades.  Is there somewhere such a problem should be reported?
[05:48] <Seveas> The_Feet, when installing nvidia drivers, simply install linux-k7
[05:49] <n00d> Seveas: its funny because I can still download files using apt-get but i cant navigate or talk with gaim... i need to disconnect and reconnect
[05:50] <Seveas> n00d, that is odd indeed, do you have any pppoe logs?
[05:50] <n00d> Seveas: i think i might have but im using windows right now cos i couldnt connect to irc
[05:51] <AnguS> can i change /etc/hostname on a running system, or will it cause problems to some software?
[05:51] <Kisain> can someone tell me how to make that boot disk and how to use it?
[05:51] <n00d> Seveas: can be a dialer problem ? i configured it to start with boot
[05:52] <jeroen_> what boot disk, Kisain?
[05:52] <Seveas> n00d, i have no experience with pppoe, but reading logs is my specialty :)
[05:53] <The_Feet> Seveas, did you mean have the K7 kernel running when i install nvidia drivers? cuz i did that... my concern is that i may be missing out on adb\vanced features of the k7 kernel with my chip if i boot that i386 kernel that loads the nvidia driver  :(
[05:53] <n00d> Seveas: hehe... could you point me in the direction of the specific logs so I can boot my linux machine to recover them
[05:53] <Kisain> the one that would fix lilo if xp screwd it up
[05:53] <Seveas> The_Feet, if you install linux-k7 it will install the latest k7 kernel + the driver for k7
[05:54] <Seveas> the nvidia driver for k7 that is
[05:54] <jeroen_> Kisain, did you install Lilo? Ubuntu's default is GRUB
[05:54] <Seveas> n00d, /var/log/ppp or something
[05:54] <The_Feet> ok, i musta goofed somewhere... i DO have the k7 kernel installed... will try again, thanks!
[05:54] <Kisain> no lilo is not installed
[05:54] <Kisain> grub is the bootloader?
[05:54] <Kisain> i think it called
[05:55] <jeroen_> Have you tried grub.org? Maybe it has info there
[05:55] <jeroen_> hmm
[05:56] <jeroen_> grub.org != Grub
[05:56] <jeroen_> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html
[05:56] <Raskall> I'm a bit amazed of linux's ability to resume a ssh session after resume/hibernate. Is windows capable of that?
[05:57] <Seveas> Raskall, that is merely a coincidence
[05:57] <n00d> Seveas: ok... im going to restart and then i come back :) thanks
[05:57] <Seveas> the connection might as well have timed out if the server was configured differently
[05:57] <lexxan> ?? grub
[05:57] <[uhelp] > grub: Please see - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto -AND- Grub Boot floppy - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToMakeAGRUBBootFloppy. If you are simply trying to edit your bootup list, timeout or default OS to boot see /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:57] <lexxan> might have something
[05:57] <Seveas> Raskall, yes, and it can happen on windows too
[05:57] <Anubis> anyone here know of a way to edit the gnome 2.10 menu system to remove duplicates?
[05:58] <Raskall> Seveas: how come it's a coincidence? It works every time I resume my computer.
[05:58] <Seveas> Anubis, find the .desktop files that contain the duplicates
[05:58] <Seveas> Raskall, it's a coincidence that the server is configured that way
[05:58] <Seveas> and that you have a static ip
[05:58] <Raskall> Seveas: ahh. :)
[05:58] <Seveas> (or the ip hasn't changed)
[05:58] <tractor> Anyone knows if there is a better way to grid the icons in the desktop in gnome 2.10? "Keep aligned" isn't that good.
[05:59] <Raskall> Seveas: of course. have only static leases on my lan.
[05:59] <Seveas> Raskall, and a static external ip if the server is outside your lan :)
[05:59] <Nafallo> hi all
[05:59] <jeroen_> hi
[05:59] <Raskall> Seveas: in this case it's not, but I have seen the same from external connections too.
[05:59] <jacquesmerde> why does ubuntuguide.org use gpg when adding package repos?
[05:59] <Nafallo> does states have any function with udp in netfilter?
[06:00] <Seveas> jacquesmerde, to authenticate packages...
[06:00] <jeroen_> jacquesmerde: so apt-get won't wine about "not authenticated"
[06:01] <bigbill52a> hi everyone
[06:01] <Seveas> Nafallo, if 'state' refers to connection state, then no. UDP is a stateless protocol
[06:01] <jeroen_> hi