[00:01] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, oohh oohhh I like pita...
[00:01] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, and pumpernickel too.
[00:01] <billybigrigger> lol what the hell is pumpernickel?
[00:02] <fbc-mx> billybigrigger, type of German bread traditionally made with coarsely ground rye
[00:02]  * fbc-mx rolls his eye..
[00:03] <billybigrigger> hmm
[00:03] <billybigrigger> sounds good
[00:04] <billybigrigger> i like rye bread
[00:04] <billybigrigger> if they are at all similar :P
[00:07] <orudie> question. is there a way to make it so that when the message is rejected by either amavisd-new , spamassassin, or clamAV the error was returned to the sender ??
[00:18] <racecar56> can someone help me with a hp mediasmart ex475? i havent been able to get this thing to work since december 2008
[00:18] <racecar56> i want to get ubuntu server on it
[00:19] <racecar56> is anyone here?
[02:29] <fbc-mx> how can I SU ROOT? or whatever the equivalent is in ubuntu
[02:29] <ajmitch> if you really really need to, sudo -i
[02:30] <fbc-mx> ajmitch, ahh....
[02:30]  * fbc-mx marvels
[02:30] <twb> Actually sudo -i is equivalent to su -
[02:31] <twb> If you want su without the -, you need sudo -H -s.  But usually you want sudo -i / su -, and just don't know it.
[02:32] <fbc-mx> twb, yeah sudo -i was what I was looking for...  I'm used to just using a command line.
[02:41] <fbc-mx> twb, I agree it should be headless... However my skills are not sufficiently honed that I could setup a server with remote x or vnc.
[02:41] <fbc-mx> twb, I'm actually quite happy with the command line.
[02:41] <fbc-mx> twb, maybe I'll find a remote x HOWTO  one day.
[02:42] <fbc-mx> gotta run guys
[03:06] <M4d3L> hi. after update to 9.04, phpmyadmin give me this error : Connection for controluser as defined in your configuration failed.
[04:06] <slestak_> please humor me, i think this question is better asked here than in teh desktop room, even though it is abt desktop.
[04:07] <slestak_> i always considered dnsmasq to be a server soln, and I am trying to figure out the rationale for it being included in the jaunty desktop?
[04:08] <slestak_> what is it being used for, not a dhcp server, and you done need a local dns cache for every desktop, wouldnt you want one per lan?
[04:13] <twb> slestak_: as a DNS cacher
[04:19] <slestak_> in the past i have kept a dnsmasq instance running to provide local name resolution for a small home lan.  I dont think this complicates or changes anything now that 4 of the machines on teh lan are all running dnscache (for a different reason).
[04:20] <slestak_> is it stupid to consider using the wap for dhcp, but dnsmasq on only local dns?  bind seems overkill for my needs.
[04:23] <slestak_> i see the ubu community docs for dnsmasq, but it really deals with dhcp services, nothing relly abt my need for local dns
[04:24] <slestak_> maybe bind is the better tool for me.
[04:34] <billybigrigger> anyone have a good howto on dovecot-postfix?
[04:34] <slestak_> pdnsd looks interesting
[04:35] <slestak_> i think the forum has some decent ones
[04:40] <megra> does someone have a good knowledge on php/apache with suexec/fastcgi ? i have some questions
[04:40] <megra> some questions on the security it brings
[04:42] <megra> is there anybody ?
[04:46] <ScottK> !ask | megra
[04:46] <megra> fine
[04:48] <megra> most of the documentations are saying "execute your php-code with CGI because executeing it as an apache module make executed by www-data"
[04:48] <megra> however, executing php from apache allow to create a php.ini the user won't be able to change
[04:48] <megra> with CGI, the user ca change it's php.ini ...
[04:49] <megra> it can be done that way: "export PHPRC=/directory/"
[04:50] <megra> is there a way to prevent user from having its own customized php.ini ?
[04:54] <megra> i really don't won't users to be able to modify the max_execution_time or memory_limit
[05:03]  * billybigrigger just realised this old pentium 166mhz should have stayed in my dad's basement
[05:03] <billybigrigger> 98mb ram is not the greatest for running web/mysql/mail :P
[05:05] <billybigrigger> does ebox require gnome or something?
[05:05] <billybigrigger> i thought it was a web based admin tool?
[05:07] <billybigrigger> why does it install libgtk2.0 and libxfont, xfonts...basically a bunch of x crap, a web based admin tool should run on this headless server a see that it's headless and not install a bunch of junk
[05:13] <megra> what do you think of mounting its /tmp on a tmpfs ?
[05:13] <ScottK> billybigrigger: IIRC it requires gconf which recommends a bunch of stuff.  If you install without recommends, it should be OK.
[05:14] <billybigrigger> too late :P i started my rant after i looked at what it installed :P
[05:14] <billybigrigger> hmm
[05:17] <billybigrigger> http://imagebin.ca/view/FLue_5r6.html
[05:17] <billybigrigger> i get that on a fresh ebox install
[05:18] <billybigrigger> why does my server have an invalid certificate? afaik i didn't create any certs, so is that something fubar'd on the ebox install?
[05:29] <MTecknology> How do I enable automatic security updates for Ubuntu?
[05:48] <megra> MTecknology, for the server ? no idea
[05:49] <megra> MTecknology, but there has to be a package for that ;)
[05:50] <megra> MTecknology, found it !
[05:50] <megra> MTecknology, cron-at
[05:50] <megra> MTecknology, cron-apt
[05:50] <MTecknology> thanks
[05:50] <MTecknology> :)
[05:50] <megra> MTecknology, it could have been done easily .. cronjob + apt-get
[06:33] <jmarsden> MTecknology: sudo apt-get unattended-upgrades  # see https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/automatic-updates.html
[06:35] <MTecknology> jmarsden: thanks
[06:35] <jmarsden> No problem :)
[07:33] <pteague> anybody here familiar with lftp? i'm having issues with it trying to set the wrong timestamp when uploading files & i'm not sure why
[07:36] <twb> MTecknology: apt-get install cron-apt
[07:37] <twb> MTecknology: edit /etc/apt/apt.conf (creating it if necessary) as described in /etc/cron.daily/apt's comments.
[07:37] <twb> You may also want to install unattended-upgrades
[07:37] <MTecknology> twb: yup, I got that - thanks :)
[07:38] <twb> But obviously u-u does nothing if you don't configure apt.conf
[07:38] <MTecknology> hrm - missed that :P
[07:42] <MTecknology> twb: and now I'm lost
[07:43] <MTecknology> /etc/apt/apt.conf is empty and /etc/cron.daily/apt isn't making things simple
[07:46] <twb> man 5 apt.conf?
[07:49] <MTecknology> twb: thanks :)
[08:23] <tonyyarusso> twb: For future reference, it would have been way easier to tell him to read /usr/share/doc/unattended-upgrades/README - seems easier to follow.  (And doesn't put anything in /etc/apt/apt.conf, but rather properly follows the Debian config model of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ files.)
[08:43] <Appiah> I'm having problems logging into a server (SSH) , I get to enter username , then it takes a really long time before password prompt shows up , and when im entering the password it timesout
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> Appiah: Do you have an out-of-band way of accessing said server?
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> Appiah: Sounds like some form of resource overload to me.  Either CPU or memory mostl likely.
[08:50] <Appiah> either that or some dns issue
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> Easy way to test that theory.  Do you know the IP address?
[08:51] <Appiah> I'm trying both from here (vpn) and from a server is which is in the same network
[08:51] <Appiah> yupp
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> Using the IP address from something on the same subnet won't go anywhere near DNS stuff.
[08:51] <Appiah> i thought it might have to do with the reverse
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> I mean, there *could* be some other form of a network issue, but my money's on a runaway process.
[08:53] <Appiah> hmm
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> Does it take a long time to get to the username prompt as well?
[08:53] <Appiah> nope
[08:53] <tonyyarusso> Okay, now that is slightly odd.
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> I don't suppose you have any machines set up to do SSH key auth on this server?
[08:54] <Appiah> nah
[08:55] <Appiah> I'm gonna get some to check the console
[08:55] <Appiah> someone*
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> Also, is the server still fulfilling its normal functions okay?
[08:55] <Appiah> well it's not in production so :D
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> ah, cool
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, console access will be needed.
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> What's it running?
[08:56] <tonyyarusso> (services-wise)
[08:56] <Appiah> hmm
[08:57] <tonyyarusso> (We're in blatant curiosity territory now, so don't think too hard.)
[08:58] <Appiah> SSH and Webmin should be on
[08:58] <Appiah> cant reach the webmin though >_>
[08:58] <Appiah> feels like a reboot should be all
[08:59]  * tonyyarusso guesses a script going OOM, sits back to wait for someone to prove him right
[08:59] <tonyyarusso> Or, you know, otherwise.
[08:59] <Appiah> oom?
[09:00] <tonyyarusso> out of memory
[09:11] <Appiah> haha
[09:12] <Appiah> same thing happend at console,  asked him to just reboot
[09:12] <tonyyarusso> Now we'll never know :(
[09:12] <Appiah> no way to find out really >_>
[09:12] <Appiah> if it happends again I have to find out what's happening
[09:38] <Appiah> tonyyarusso: even after reboot it does the same >_>
[09:38] <Appiah> maybe the pam is screwed up
[09:40] <Appiah> or nsswitch
[10:00] <Appiah> anyway to reset all pam changes?
[12:13] <Appiah> nvm it was the nsswitch
[12:51] <a_ok> when i put ulimit -m 800; in /etc/profile will programmes started by init (init.d scripts) adhere to this?
[12:51] <Alex_21> Hi, all,
[12:52] <Alex_21> I have two disks that were previously set up as RAID1 with lvm. How can I reinstall Ubuntu onto these disks and reclaim them?
[12:52] <Alex_21> I tried to delete the md0 device but it failed
[12:53] <Alex_21> Please help
[12:59] <iulianpojar> Alex_21: try to install from ubuntu alternate disk
[12:59] <Alex_21> Why?
[12:59] <Alex_21> I used the Server CD
[13:00] <Alex_21> Or should I say I am using the Ubuntu Server CD at the moment
[13:00] <Alex_21> I'm stuck on the partitioning screen
[13:02] <Alex_21> Also, ... when making partitions for RAID 1, ... Do I have to set the bootable flag to "ON"
[13:02] <Alex_21> ? Please
[13:29] <huats> Hi everyone !
[13:31] <Alex_21> Hi,
[13:31] <Alex_21> I can't delete RAID 1 device MD0 from the SErver installer. How can this be done
[13:33] <_ruben> Alex_21: you dont care about any data on it ?
[13:34] <_ruben> and is the raid using partitions or complete disks?
[13:35] <Alex_21> There is a partition that is the full size of the disk
[13:35] <Alex_21> In question
[13:36] <_ruben> hit enter on the disk itself, it'll ask if you want to create a new disklabel .. that might wipe out the raid traces .. if that doesnt help .. then you might need to wipe out the first few K of the disk using dd
[13:37] <Alex_21> DD?
[13:37] <Alex_21> I am a bit of a Noob at this
[13:38] <Alex_21> I am a bit of a Noob at thisRC
[13:38] <Alex_21> I need guidance
[13:42] <dthacker> Alex_21: This may help, use at your own risk.  http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/learn-the-dd-command-362506/
[13:49] <Alex_21> I see this, ... but I don't see how to use it to wipe out sections of the disk to remove the traces of RAID 1
[13:49] <Alex_21> Please help
[14:24] <ghostlines> I have a nfs server, but I can share all directories except /media/
[14:24] <ghostlines> I can see the folders in /media/ but I can go into any of them
[14:25] <ghostlines> this looks like a permission issue but i chmod 777'ed the whole directory
[14:25] <_ruben> can a local user enter those dirs?
[14:25] <ghostlines> can anyone help me with this? I'm running jaunty 64bit
[14:25] <ghostlines> yep, a local user can enter them
[14:26] <ghostlines> *sorry I can see the folders in /media/ but can't enter them
[14:26] <ghostlines> when I enter them i see nothing
[14:27] <ghostlines> I'm allowed to go in but see nothing
[14:27] <_ruben> so you can enter the directories, but cant list its contents.. that's an odd one
[14:28] <_ruben> did you chmod recursively?
[14:29] <ghostlines> I believe i did do it with the -R switch
[14:29] <ghostlines> I'll try again
[14:30] <ghostlines> nope still no dice
[14:33] <ghostlines> I got it to work now, but the recursive chmod wasn't the solution
[14:33] <ghostlines> in my /etc/exports i had /media/   instead of /media/sdb2
[14:33] <kwork> what was it then
[14:33] <ghostlines> i thought /media/ was enough to go into the child directories
[14:34] <ghostlines> I find that strange though, does anyone know why this may be?
[14:34] <Sam-I-Am> because /media is a dynamic mount point for removable media
[14:35] <Sam-I-Am> i'd avoid using it for permanent mounts
[14:35] <Sam-I-Am> use /srv instead
[14:35] <ghostlines> ahh k thanks
[14:36] <ghostlines> but my /media/sdb2 is a harddrive partition i thought it should stay in /media/
[14:36] <ghostlines> so it's advisable to just edit my fstab then
[14:37] <Sam-I-Am> sure
[14:37] <Sam-I-Am> its a fine mount point if you're not exporting over nfs
[14:38] <ghostlines> ahh k thanks alot man, one other thing do you think making a symbolic link to my /media/sdb2 would work
[14:38] <ghostlines> so does nfs follow symbolic links?
[14:39] <Sam-I-Am> on the same FS, yes
[14:39] <Sam-I-Am> otherwise no
[14:40] <ghostlines> ahh k cool
[14:40] <Sam-I-Am> if you want /media/sdb2 to appear somewhere else for NFS exporting, bind mount it
[14:41] <ghostlines> hmmm, never heard about bind mount I'll look into ti
[14:41] <ghostlines> *it
[14:41] <Sam-I-Am> it allows you to mount a filesystem to more than one place
[14:41] <Sam-I-Am> for example, to /home on the local machine, but also /srv/home for nfs exporting
[14:42] <ghostlines> damn, that's handy
[14:42] <ghostlines> can I then edit fstab to mount -bind directories at boot
[14:43] <Sam-I-Am> yes
[14:43] <Sam-I-Am> its a mount option
[14:43] <ghostlines> cool, I'm going to try it now
[14:43] <Sam-I-Am> or type...
[15:15] <moonpup> does ubuntu server have a bind-chroot package like red hat to set this environment up automatically?
[16:43] <FFForever> what is the latest kernel?
[16:50] <triden01> hello all.  I've looked around and can't find the answer to this..  Where is the proper place to ask questions regarding Sparc support for 8.04 server
[16:51] <triden01> I know its now been downgraded to a "port" for 8.04
[17:00] <triden01> hello all.  I've looked around and can't find the answer to this..  Where is the proper place to ask questions regarding Sparc support for 8.04 server
[17:00] <triden01> I know its now been downgraded to a "port" for 8.04
[17:23] <genii> triden01: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=146
[18:12] <minesh> hi ppl
[18:38] <billybigrigger> anyone here use ebox?
[18:39] <billybigrigger> is it normal for it to have firefox complain about ebox's security certificate right out of a fresh ebox install?
[18:43] <oruwork> question. how can i lock the user in his home directory ?
[18:45] <highvoltage> so that he can't navigate to any other directory!?
[18:46] <highvoltage> that would be close to impossible, users need to be able to read things in /usr, /etc, among other things
[18:51] <Mip5> Hey Gang - I'm trying to have my ltsp clients bind to an osx ldap server (10.5). Would it be the same process to have a single jaunty client bind to the mac osx ldap server?
[18:56] <oruwork> highvoltage-> its for sftp
[18:56] <oruwork> i want to disable everything but sftp
[18:56] <oruwork> for that user
[18:59] <SirStan> billybigrigger: of crouse.
[18:59] <SirStan> course*
[18:59] <billybigrigger> roger
[19:00] <highvoltage> oruwork: ah, iirc there's a shell that's caused sftponly which you can install which would allow that
[19:03] <oruwork> hmmm
[19:03] <oruwork> so i just created a user for my sftp account
[19:03] <oruwork> and generated a new ssh key for him
[19:03] <oruwork> should I manually create .ssh directory in his home directory ?
[19:05] <oruwork> so to allow my new user to connect with ssh key, is it normal to manually create .ssh directory in his home ?
[19:09] <SirStan> oruwork: What else would create the directory?
[19:10] <oruwork> i dont know
[19:10] <oruwork> for some reason its not working :P
[19:10] <oruwork> meaning..., the new key doesnt work for my new user :P
[19:11] <oruwork> i'll try to put my existing key in there that works for testing purpose
[19:19] <FFForever> Hi
[19:20] <FFForever> when using du -s /home/chris what size format does it output?
[19:51] <jmedina> FFForever: man du
[19:51] <jmedina> you can change the output format, for kb, mb, etc
[19:53] <MK-ubuntu> hi, I was wondering if there is a way of reinstalling distro over romotely.
[19:54] <MK-ubuntu> I have a server in IDC but they installed Desktop edition instead of server edition, thats ehy.
[20:12] <oruwork> can someone help me to configure sshd_config with ForceCommand, Subsystem, and ChrootDirectory ?
[20:12] <oruwork> trying lock my ftp user account in home directory
[20:18] <billybigrigger> ftp user?
[20:18] <billybigrigger> what ftp deamon?
[20:18] <billybigrigger> why don't you configure chroot in your ftpd's config?
[20:19] <pteague> is there some way to get a fixed version of subversion? 1.5.x has borked merging... need 1.4 or 1.6
[20:22] <oruwork> billybigrigger-> thats exactly what i'm trying to do , chroot
[20:23] <oruwork> billybigrigger-> just not sure how to do it
[20:23] <billybigrigger> and i asked you....
 why don't you configure chroot in your ftpd's config?
[20:23] <billybigrigger> are you using vsftpd? proftpd? pureftpd?
[20:24] <oruwork> billybigrigger-> not sure , just ssh
[20:24] <oruwork> never isntalled any ftp daemons
[20:24] <billybigrigger> hehe
[20:24] <oruwork> i was looking at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[20:24] <billybigrigger> setup an ftp deamon
[20:25] <giovani|1ork> what do you need an ftpd for?
[20:25] <billybigrigger> then in the ftpd's config setup user chroot
[20:25] <billybigrigger> sftp is different than ftp :P
[20:26] <giovani|1ork> sftp isn't related to ftp, yeah
[20:26] <giovani|1ork> let's not confuse the two
[20:26] <billybigrigger> iirc sftp is built into ssh
[20:26] <giovani|1ork> yes, it's not FTP
[20:27] <billybigrigger> yeah
[20:27] <billybigrigger> oruwork::: ok what's your problem?
[20:27] <oruwork> well.. just trying to figure out how to make my ftp user locked in home directory thats all
[20:28] <giovani|work> oruwork: what ftpd are you using?
[20:28] <oruwork> none, ssh
[20:28] <Hecate> so, are you using an ftp-server or do you wanna do it using your ssh-server?
[20:28] <oruwork> just ssh
[20:28] <oruwork> ssh server i guess
[20:28] <giovani|work> oruwork: then you're not using FTP ... you just said "my ftp user"
[20:28] <oruwork> oh
[20:28] <oruwork> ok
[20:28] <Hecate> yeah, it confused the shit outta some ppl ;)
[20:28] <billybigrigger> oruwork::: seriously, whats the problem? that guide seems pretty simple
[20:29] <Hecate> if this is not the guide you're talking about, it's pretty good: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590
[20:30] <oruwork> yes that
[20:30] <oruwork> lol
[20:30] <giovani|work> so what's the problem?
[20:30] <oruwork> just confused with the group
[20:30] <Hecate> oruwork, if you persist on logging the users file transfer action, chrooted sftp is gonna make it very difficult
[20:31] <billybigrigger> Hecate::: that's the exact guide he's talking about
[20:31] <oruwork> Match group sftponly
[20:31] <Hecate> well, from time to time i happen to have a lucky shot
[20:31] <oruwork> do i need to create a group before i modify sshd_config ?
[20:32] <Hecate> depending on your sshd_config
[20:32] <Hecate> if you do it the match way (as you posted above), then: yes
[20:32] <oruwork> well the only thing that i modified in sshd_config is disabled password logins
[20:33] <Hecate> now you're confusing me, too
[20:33] <Hecate> if you didn't modify your sshd_config, how do you expect it to do the chrooted sftp?
[20:35] <Hecate> brb
[20:36] <heath|work> I need to make an NFS server for Xen.  Any suggestions as to what file system to format the drives that will be holding the virts?
[20:44] <Hecate> fat16
[20:44] <Hecate> ;)
[21:13] <diffred> hi, I've installed apache2 module, what modules I need to run cgi scripts in my localhost?
[21:16] <deviantintegral> hi all. does anyone know of a way to modify default routes on a per process or per user level? I want the default route to be one destination, but have specific applications go over openvpn (their destination IP's are unknown)
[21:17] <deviantintegral> it seems like firehol might be able to do it, but it's hard to tell
[21:17] <oruwork> does order matter in sshd_config ?
[21:17] <deviantintegral> oruwork: I don't think so
[21:39] <oruwork> how can i assign a user to a group ?
[21:43] <Bullterd> Hey All :)
[21:43] <Bullterd> Im having really hastle trying to setup bonding with ubuntu server 8.10
[21:43] <Bullterd> ive followed a buttload of tutorials on the web to no avail.
[21:44] <Bullterd> Switch: http://www.usr.com/support/product-template.asp?prod=7724a
[21:44] <Bullterd> NIC's: http://www.tenda.cn/product/show.php?productid-226.html
[21:45] <Bullterd> im trying for bond mode 4.
[21:45] <Bullterd> Ive also setup the coresponding ports on the router to be a "trunk"
[21:50] <jbernard> oruwork: adduser <user> <group>
[21:50] <jbernard> oruwork: check the adduser manpage, lots of good stuff in there
[21:56] <oruwork> ok when i do sftp user@host how can i specify the port
[21:57] <oruwork> i tried sftp -p "port number" user@host and it didnt work
[21:58] <Hecate> oruwork, sftp -o Port=12345 user@host
[22:29] <JorgeJorgesson> Where is a good place to go for free online LPIC training course.  Something I can do at my own pace?
[22:29] <JorgeJorgesson> I always thought IBM offered one at some point.
[22:35] <zoopster> JorgeJorgesson: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/
[22:36] <JorgeJorgesson> zoopster: Exactly what I was trying to find, thanks a bunch!
[22:36] <zoopster> np
[22:37] <zoopster> JorgeJorgesson: it's pretty good...helped me a ton
[22:38] <JorgeJorgesson> zoopster: I found it quite some time ago but lost track of it.  I really mean to take the full thing one day!


[01:45] <devops>  /query junaidali
[02:19] <stokachu> guessing there isa  problem with the charmstore?
[02:19] <stokachu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23357102/
[04:23] <bdx> https://github.com/juju/charmstore/issues/686
[06:21] <kjackal_> Good morning Juju world
[09:16] <cargill> when following the getting started document from docs, are you supposed to end up with ~/.juju/environments.yaml configured? 'charm test' is confused that it doesn't exist
[09:17] <cargill> yet juju (2.0) is fine with everything
[09:18] <magicaltrout> cargill: where did you read that?
[09:19] <magicaltrout> thats 1.2.x stuff
[09:19] <magicaltrout> a) the location these days is ~/.local/share/juju
[09:19] <magicaltrout> b) environments.yaml doesn't exist any more
[09:20] <cargill> $ charm test
[09:20] <cargill> juju-test INFO    : Starting test run on None using Juju 2.0.0
[09:20] <cargill> juju-test CRITICAL: /home/oku/.juju/environments.yaml file does not exist
[09:20] <cargill> this is what I get
[09:21]  * magicaltrout defers to kjackal_
[09:21] <magicaltrout> it may not have been revamped for 2.x I dunno
[09:21] <kjackal_> hello!
[09:21] <cargill> I'll check for updates just in case
[09:21] <cargill> kjackal_: hi!
[09:22] <kjackal_> hi cargill, magicaltrout
[09:23] <kjackal_> hm... charm test I thought this is not anailable on the recent juju+charm tools
[09:23] <magicaltrout> hammer and nailable?
[09:24] <kjackal_> cargill: where did you read about "charm test"
[09:25] <cargill> oh, it's meant to be bundletester now?
[09:25] <cargill> just tried it, thinking charm build, charm proof, charm test would be the sequence :)
[09:25] <kjackal_> https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.0/tools-charm-tools look at this it is here!!
[09:26] <magicaltrout> seems to suggest charm test is indeed valid terminology
[09:30] <cargill> so do I use charm test or bundletester? and is bundletester in the repos/ppa?
[09:32] <kjackal_> cargill: I would suggest you use bundletester, at least this is what i am using here
[09:32] <kjackal_> bundle tester should be installable by pip
[09:32] <kjackal_> sudo pip install bundletester
[09:33] <cargill> hmm, pip means you don't get updates unless you remember to ask for them...
[09:33] <cargill> (the joys of system package managers :))
[10:16] <neiljerram> Morning all!
[10:17] <neiljerram> In my tests, I sometimes see 'juju ssh ...' failing with "Permission denied (publickey)." for just one or two units in the deployment; it's fine for all the other machines.
[10:18] <neiljerram> There are google hits for this ("juju ssh permission denied (publickey)"), but they're quite old.
[10:19] <neiljerram> So it looks like Juju is failing to copy my public key onto those machines...
[10:20] <neiljerram> Does anyone else see this, and is there a workaround?
[10:23] <junaidali> neiljerram, are you able to manually ssh to those nodes?
[10:23] <junaidali> ssh ubuntu@<node-ip>
[10:23] <junaidali> from maas
[10:24] <neiljerram> junaidali, I'm not sure, because this happens in the middle of an automated test.  I can try modifying the script to add that in, if you think it will help.
[10:45] <neiljerram> junaidali, I'm trying that now, let's see...
[11:02] <neiljerram> junaidali, Unfortunately I am still seeing 'Permission denied (publickey)' with one of the units, even when I do 'ssh ubuntu@<ip>' first.  I get 'Permission denied (publickey)' for 'ssh ubuntu@<ip> ls', and then also for 'juju ssh <unit> ls'.
[12:14] <SDB_Stefano> hi Hjackal
[12:58] <icey> is it possible for a juju action to take a large JSON blob as a value?
[13:00] <magicaltrout> icey: its a pain in the balls
[13:00] <magicaltrout> you can, but you need to escape it all
[13:01] <icey> wtf -_-
[13:02] <icey> escape it even though it's wrapped in single quotes ?
[13:02] <magicaltrout> yeah, I found for a charm where the save format is json, I couldn't get it to ingest the stuff unless it was escaped
[13:02] <magicaltrout> this was a while ago, but I doubt its changed
[13:02] <icey> magicaltrout: yeah, giving errors like: ERROR json: unsupported type: map[interface {}]interface {}
[13:02] <magicaltrout> yeah it tries to parse it.....
[13:04]  * icey cries
[13:04] <SDB_Stefano> Hi, I'm creating a charm for our product ScaleDB UDE, I have some questions, could I propose them ?
[13:05] <magicaltrout> go wild SDB_Stefano
[13:06] <SDB_Stefano> ok, I have to create a plain/easy charm that the only thing we need is to execute a install/hook to install our software, so :
[13:06] <SDB_Stefano> I started using https://github.com/juju-solutions/layer-basic as template
[13:07] <SDB_Stefano> about the  layer.yaml  :
[13:07] <SDB_Stefano> should it contains ' includes: ['layer:basic']'  ? or it's not mandatory, I don't need it
[13:08] <icey> SDB_Stefano: it should
[13:08] <magicaltrout> when you said "use layer basic as a template" you mean you git cloned it?
[13:08] <magicaltrout> or did `charm build` ?
[13:08] <SDB_Stefano> yes git clone
[13:08] <magicaltrout> wrong answer
[13:08] <SDB_Stefano> I :
[13:08] <marcoceppi> SDB_Stefano: the better way to start, is to run `charm create`
[13:08] <magicaltrout> sorry yeah create
[13:09] <marcoceppi> SDB_Stefano: charms incur a compilation process, which means things like layer basic will be included in the final, compiled product
[13:09] <magicaltrout> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-writing <- SDB_Stefano
[13:12] <SDB_Stefano> the current charm is working, I think that I have only to refine, it's need that I restart using ' charm create'
[13:13] <marcoceppi> SDB_Stefano: I'd behappy to help shape your charm into a layer if it's available somewhere
[13:14] <SDB_Stefano> ok, great , I'm going to deploy the current version in github, just a moment
[13:14] <magicaltrout> marcoceppi is like a charm rewriting ninja
[13:14] <kjackal_> Hello SDB_Stefano, what's up?
[13:15] <SDB_Stefano> Hi kjackal, I have some questione about the charm
[13:16] <SDB_Stefano> could we have a short skype call, maybe it could be easier ?
[13:16] <kjackal_> Sure
[13:16] <junaidali> neiljerram, looks like your node is not up
[13:17] <cargill> hmm, great, using bundletester complains about python linting issues in the pgsql layer and that makes it fail
[13:18] <cargill> not that I have control over that layer in the first place...
[13:18] <neiljerram> junaidali, I'm sure that the node was up; juju status had given a successful report for it.
[13:20] <neiljerram> junaidali, you can see this in the transcript of the bug that I just reported, at https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1635622
[13:20] <mup> Bug #1635622: 'juju ssh <unit> ...' fails with Permission denied (publickey), for only one or two machines in a deployment <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1635622>
[13:33] <kjackal_> cargill: if you run bundletester with -F it will run all the tests and not stop on the first error
[13:39] <cargill> how is that handled when I submit the charm for review?
[13:42] <kjackal_> cargill: we usualy ping the author of the other layer to fix the problems, but that might block you as well since we might not be able to verify the correctness of your charm either.
[13:43] <cargill> if it's just python linting issues?
[13:43] <kjackal_> cargill: linting errors will most likely not block you
[14:05] <BlackDex> If i want to set config-flags for nova-compute i can't set nfs_mount_options=nfsvers=3
[14:05] <BlackDex> because there are 2 = signs
[14:12] <marcoceppi> BlackDex: quote the value
[14:13] <marcoceppi> BlackDex: furthermore, I don't see nfs_mount_options as config on the charm https://jujucharms.com/nova-compute/
[14:17] <BlackDex> marcoceppi: tried that not working
[14:17] <marcoceppi> BlackDex: lwhat's the error you're getting, exactly?
[14:17] <BlackDex> its juju set nova-compute config-flags='nfs_mount_options="nfsvers=3"'
[14:18] <BlackDex> that is what needs to be done
[14:18] <BlackDex> that the config-flag value is not correct
[14:35] <marcoceppi> BlackDex: taking a look
[14:36] <marcoceppi> BlackDex: you may want to ask in #openstack-charms this might be a bug with how commands are being parsed
[15:01] <cargill> how do I propose a charm to the store again?
[15:02] <BlackDex> marcoceppi: thx i will go there :)
[15:02] <marcoceppi> cargill: http://review.jujucharms.com/
[15:49] <cargill> marcoceppi: thanks
[16:25] <cory_fu> mbruzek: Your wish is my command: https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.reactive/pull/86
[16:25] <cory_fu> (And thank you for keeping me honest)
[16:25] <mbruzek> Sorry to be so pedantic
[16:27] <mbruzek> cory_fu: merged
[16:35] <mbruzek> Cynerva: ping
[16:35] <Cynerva> mbruzek: pong
[16:35] <mbruzek> Cynerva: or ryebot: I am getting this error with a defined action ERROR invalid params schema for action schema restore-snapshot: bool is not a valid type
[16:35] <mbruzek> type: bool
[16:36] <Cynerva> mbruzek: i believe the correct type is boolean
[16:36] <ryebot> mbruzek: hmm I think the type needs to be 'boolean'
[16:36] <mbruzek> I knew you guys would know.
[16:36] <mbruzek> Thank you
[16:37] <Cynerva> mbruzek: cool, glad to help!
[16:37] <mbruzek> I should have tried that before asking but I gave up after I searched the documentation and found no boolean options
[16:39] <Cynerva> mbruzek: I've found it useful to refer to json-schema docs for action stuff. The primitive types (including boolean) are here for example: http://json-schema.org/latest/json-schema-core.html#anchor8
[16:40] <mbruzek> Thanks Cynerva
[17:38] <suchvenu> Hi
[17:38] <suchvenu> I am trying to deploy Openstack charm from the store : https://jujucharms.com/openstack-base/
[17:38] <suchvenu> I have a KVM and MAAS is configured in one guest from that box. Juju is installed and could deploy a sample charm as well.
[17:38] <suchvenu> However when i deploy Openstack charm from store I get "Failed deployment" as the status
[17:38] <suchvenu> The MAAS log ahows as :
[17:38] <suchvenu> Oct 20 15:38:32 maascontroller maas.node: [INFO] vm3: Status transition from DEPLOYING to FAILED_DEPLOYMENT Oct 20 15:38:32 maascontroller maas.node: [ERROR] vm3: Marking node failed: Node operation 'Deploying' timed out after 0:40:00. Oct 20 15:38:37 maascontroller maas.node: [INFO] vm4: Status transition from DEPLOYING to FAILED_DEPLOYMENT
[17:39] <suchvenu> Any idea on this error ? Will increasing the timeout fix the issue ?
[17:47] <gaurangt> Hi, for the storage support in MAAS for juju version 1.25.. the documentation says -  This storage provider is static-only; it is currently only possible to deploy charms requiring block storage to a new machine in MAAS, and not to an existing machine.
[17:49] <gaurangt> What exactly new machines mean here?
[17:57] <deanman> Trying to learn Juju 2 by setting up a local cloud (lxd). Controller gets created just fine and i can see it with `lxc list` but when i try to deploy a charm it just hangs. Any hints?
[17:58] <rick_h_> deanman: check out juju status --format=yaml and see if there's anything fishy
[17:58] <rick_h_> deanman: or juju debug-log
[18:00] <deanman> ok it seems its downloading a trusty image to deploy the charm by default where i would have expected that it would use a xenial image, same as with controller.
[18:00] <deanman> thanks rick_h_
[18:01] <rick_h_> deanman: hmm, something in the config set trusty as the default?
[18:01] <deanman> just following getting started guide from stable docs
[18:01] <rick_h_> deanman: you on xenial?
[18:02] <deanman> xenial 64 VM on MacOS host
[18:02] <deanman> the deployed charm was mysql
[18:03] <rick_h_> deanman: oic, ok so that's probably because mysql charm isn't xenial ready it looks like
[18:03]  * rick_h_ notes it's less crazy then
[18:04] <deanman> ok rick_h_ fair enough, so in general having a xenial64 VM and then using local as a cloud controller to deploy consequent charms in LXD is OK for dev. workflow?
[18:04] <rick_h_> yep
[18:08] <skay> just when I want to create a charm, github is down. charm-create fails due to trying to get templates from there
[18:08] <skay> :(
[18:09] <skay> is that mirrored anywhere else?
[18:10] <deanman> rick_h_: is juju gui deployed with controller by default?
[18:13] <kwmonroe> cory_fu: this world wide dns problem just got real!  "unit-namenode-0: 18:05:54 INFO unit.namenode/0.install Error: Could not connect to https://forgeapi.puppetlabs.com".  i didn't care before, but now i'm inclined to write a letter to congress.
[18:13] <kwmonroe> (and hope al gore sees it)
[18:15] <rick_h_> deanman: yes
[18:15] <rick_h_> deanman: just run 'juju gui'
[18:17] <cory_fu> kwmonroe: lol
[18:18] <cory_fu> But yeah, it's a pretty significant attack.  I think python.org is being affected as well
[18:20] <kwmonroe> good news is that the ddos people failed to remember never to release on a friday.  we can all just go home.  if they really wanted havoc, they would have waiting till monday.
[18:34] <suchvenu> Can anyone please tell me on how to get charm-tools 2.1.4 ? Mine is in 2.1.3
[18:34] <suchvenu> I already did sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[19:05] <brad_nokia> anyone can help with charm storage? using a cinder volume and the charm hangs in a pending mode awaiting attachment
[20:03] <mbruzek> suchvenu: you can sudo pip install charm-tools
[20:03] <mbruzek> to get the latest verison
[20:23] <cory_fu> suchvenu: Best I can tell, from https://github.com/juju/charm-tools/blob/master/setup.py#L11, a version newer than 2.1.2 doesn't exist
[20:25] <cory_fu> pypi would disagree with me https://pypi.python.org/pypi/charm-tools
[20:52] <lutostag> question... so with reactive how many reactive functions can trigger in a file for a single hook?
[20:52] <cory_fu> lutostag: As many as match
[20:52] <cory_fu> As long as their preconditions match, they will be triggered.  There's no limit otherwise.
[20:52] <lutostag> cory_fu: ok, that's what I thought, if I'm in debug-hook I assume I can list the states, so I'll try that, must not have a state I should
[20:53] <cory_fu> lutostag: Easy way to see the states from the CLI: charms.reactive -y get_states
[20:55] <lutostag> cory_fu: that was easy, thanks
[21:24] <lutostag> charm publish -> charm release... that was recent I'm not crazy right?
[21:27] <kwmonroe> yeah lutostag, you're not crazy.  it was right around the beta->rc timeframe


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[07:36] <Sveta> ask #ubuntu-ops ?
[07:39] <EoflaOE> Thanks Sveta
[07:41] <Sveta> no worries
[10:33] <jeremy31> !releases
[10:40] <immu> hi....
[10:43] <oer> hey immu :-)
[10:43] <immu> whats up
[10:43] <oer> not much, friday feeling
[10:43] <immu> relaxing
[10:44] <oer> done cleaning and ironing and garbage and shopping
[10:45] <immu> ccol
[10:46] <immu> i am just lazzzing out
[11:23] <immu> no matter which distro i go to try out i always end up with Ubuntu
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:11] <immu> BluesKaj, howdiii
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> !core
[14:36] <akemlenovo_> I think rtl8723be wifi still has a memory leak but only really noticeable after maybe a week of uptime or more. It was 30 days and RAM was nearly full and swap was used too.
[14:37] <akemlenovo_> I blacklisted it, and i use another wifi chip on USB, for now there is no leak i'm still at about 1GB RAM used after few days...
[14:55] <daftykins> still on that topic eh? :)
[15:09] <akemlenovo_> Yeah because maybe people shutdown their laptop everyday, so they wouldn't notice it, and servers don't run on Wifi usually.
[15:11] <pizzaiolo> i think i might have a similar issue akemlenovo_
[15:11] <pizzaiolo> chrome couldn't handle having video play on one screen and 3 tabs on the other. saw i was at 6.8/8gb used, so i rebooted and it went down to ~2.5gb used
[15:11] <akemlenovo_> In my case the laptop is up all the time on Wifi with qbittorrent and IRC with a bot but no heavy stuff running.
[15:11] <pizzaiolo> i usually keep my laptop on overnight
[15:13] <akemlenovo_> pizzaiolo, Yep, if you can't trace back the memory then it's probably the same problem, you have 8723be wifi chip?
[15:13] <pizzaiolo> not sure, let me check
[15:14] <pizzaiolo> i believe it's a killer 1535
[15:15] <pizzaiolo> QCA6174
[15:16] <TJ-> That's Atheros so not the same
[15:17] <TJ-> pizzaiolo: akemlenovo_'s issue was there was no sign of what was using the memory neither per-process or for the kernel, and the cause was a missing "kfree(skb)" (failure to free memory for a socket buffer) in some edge-cases.
[15:17] <TJ-> akemlenovo_: seems like maybe there are more rare paths with the same problem
[15:21] <akemlenovo_> TJ-, Yes, i think it must be the same sort of problem, i'm waiting some more time with it blacklisted to see if things are running normally. I'm still using Wifi but it's another chip, on USB.
[15:23] <pizzaiolo> ah, i see. thanks for the info TJ-
[15:38] <daftykins> i certainly would hope no wifi on servers :)
[15:38] <akemlenovo_> daftykins, yeah :) but sometimes there is maybe the case with servers with Wifi APs, for hotels or other places with captive portals for clients to connect with their Wifi.
[15:39] <daftykins> you wouldn't have a radio directly in a PC to run any of that
[15:41] <akemlenovo_> I see but on the routers then? It would probably run some linux too, but most likely a very well tested version for the hardware its running.
[15:43] <daftykins> if a router were running a full standard Linux you'd not have wireless in it again - i know where you're coming from but it's a massive stretch :)
[15:43] <daftykins> cheap laptop with rubbish wifi card and driver vs. kit deployed for proper jobs
[15:44] <daftykins> was there some mix of HWE kernel involvement also, anyway? i forget
[19:23] <lotuspsychje> ./blacklist weekendtrolls
[19:27] <oer> can i be on your list?
[19:27] <oer> *hips*
[19:28] <lotuspsychje> :p


[04:06] <tsimonq2> Note, until midnight the topic will be inaccurate :P
[22:35] <tsimonq2> hey guys
[22:35] <tsimonq2> all prepped
[22:35] <tsimonq2> just gotta get to my mom's
[22:35] <tsimonq2> remember, we start at 7
[23:58] <tsimonq2> !pet
[23:58] <tsimonq2> ;pet
[23:58] <DragonEyes> gently tickles DragonEyes for being a good dragon


[06:47] <dholbach> good morning
[12:04] <kukacz> hello
[12:04] <smartboyhw> kukacz, HELLO
[12:04] <smartboyhw> akgraner, I have been writing summmaries for UWN for at least 3 issues and I am still not in UWN LP team:P
[12:05] <kukacz> can you tell me when will be aviable ubuntu phone os for galaxy nexus_ sorry for my bad english
[12:05] <smartboyhw> Can you add me in?
[12:05] <smartboyhw> kukacz, today at later time.


[06:27] <hyperair> hmm does anyone have brightness keys working?
[06:27] <hyperair> scrolling up and down on the brightness applet seems to work, but the brightness keys don't.
[10:08] <macvr> hi, is empathy replacing pidgin?
[10:14] <macvr> in karmic?
[10:41] <tgpraveen> macvr: yes
[10:42] <macvr> k... thanx
[16:20] <superm1> hyperair, those are highly hardware dependent.  i'd get a bug together to better detail your hardware rather than randomly posting in a channel
[17:33] <hyperair> superm1: lenovo y410. i was wondering if something went wrong in gnome-power-manager, because it used to work pretty nicely during jaunty and intrepid periods.
[17:34] <hyperair> superm1: it could be xserver-xorg-video-intel though, who knows.
[17:34] <hyperair> according to pitti, the udev bits were converted 1:1 from hal, so it shouldn't be that area either =\