[04:36] <joelkraehemann> hi all
[04:36] <joelkraehemann> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsequencer
[04:36] <joelkraehemann> ^^ does proposed mean, it is going to be synced?


[06:08] <peter__> knock knock anyone home?
[06:12] <peter__> if anyone has any experience working with studio and a presonus usb audiobox I would love to chat
[16:38] <roger_> rodan
[17:37] <xbntustud> when will ubuntu studio 16 lts be released?
[17:37] <xbntustud> and if i install the daily build will i be able to upgrade to lts without losing y files?
[17:40] <Rosco2> Tomorrow is 1604 release day
[17:40] <Rosco2> What are you ugrading from?
[17:41] <xbntustud> wiley
[17:42] <Rosco2> I just tested a wily to xenial upgrade from the command line and it worked for me
[17:43] <Rosco2> Backup your files first
[17:43] <xbntustud> great thanks for the help
[17:44] <Rosco2> I always wait a few weeks/months to upgrade incase some bugs suddenly appear
[17:47] <xbntustud> im impatient and i need to reformat a machine anyways so i strongly considering loading the daily build until the lts is released
[17:47] <xbntustud> i've tried installing the ubuntu studio audio package over elementary os
[17:47] <xbntustud> but ardour keeps crashing
[17:50] <xbntustud> i would rather just use ubuntu studio, i never have an issue with plugins
[17:51] <Rosco2> Well if you are desperate to reformat, backup and install the daily.
[17:51] <xbntustud> another question
[17:51] <Rosco2> The normal package update should pick up last minute updates
[17:52] <xbntustud> does anyone have experience with ableton live 9 in ubuntu studio?
[17:52] <Rosco2> not me
[17:52] <xbntustud> maybe you can still help
[17:53] <xbntustud> im trying to use guitar rig as a plugin in ableton but it crashes i was wondering if i should route it using patchage instead
[17:53] <xbntustud> im still new to using ubuntu for recording
[17:54] <Guest56304> Howdy Room
[17:55] <Guest56304> anyone in here particularly familiar with the sound systems within Studio?
[17:56] <Guest56304> I am running into a lot of digital skips
[17:56] <Rosco2> Sorry - I am pretty new to using Studio myself and mainly stuck to Ardour and Rosegarden without trying too many fancy plugins
[17:56] <Guest56304> both in recording and playback
[17:57] <Guest56304> I had been using opensuse/leap on my desktop and Studio on my older laptop
[18:03] <Rosco2> guest56304, possibly you need to fiddle with the JACK settings
[18:03] <Rosco2> There is some advice on our wiki
[18:30] <OvenWerks> xbntustud: Ablton live in ubuntustudio? I thought ablton was osx/windows ??
[18:39] <sakrecoer> OvenWerks: thru wine i suppose. xbntustud: i don't know much about it, but there are quite a few threads in the forums: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ableton+live+ubuntustudio+site%3Aubuntuforums.org
[18:42] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: running any lowlatency audio program through wine is questionable.
[18:42] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer: I would not do it "live"
[18:43] <OvenWerks> :)


[14:55]  * skaet waves
[14:56] <Riddell> hi skaet
[14:56] <skaet> hi Riddell,  :)
[14:57]  * balloons may or may not have just sent his summary
[14:58] <scott-work> hello, skaet , we didn't get an email sent but i'm here for the meeting nonetheless
[14:58]  * skaet didn't see it yet,  but hasn't refreshed in last 30 minutes
[14:58] <Riddell> balloons: I see it
[14:58] <balloons> Riddell, :-)
[14:58] <balloons> hello scott-work !
[14:58] <skaet> hello scott-work,  astraljava sent one.  :)
[14:58]  * stgraber waves
[14:59] <scott-work> skaet: oh good! i looked in my mail but didn't see naything
[14:59] <scott-work> hi balloons
[14:59] <scott-work> heh, i see it now
[14:59] <skaet> :)
[14:59] <popey> \o/ I _just_ beat balloons
[15:00] <skaet> #meeting
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 17 15:00:44 2012 UTC.  The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:00] <skaet> Agenda (and minute location):
[15:00] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-08-17
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:00] <skaet> 12.04.1
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/08/20: ReleaseNoteFreeze
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/23: Ubuntu 12.04.1
[15:01] <skaet> 12.10
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/08/23: Quantal FeatureFreeze
[15:01] <skaet>     2012/09/06: 12.10 Beta 1
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:01] <skaet> 2012/08/10 -  3011 (was 3010  (last  week):   We are behind the trendline for some of the projects.
[15:01] <skaet> There is only 1  weeks left until FeatureFreeze, so getting us back on track would be appreciated.  If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:01] <skaet> Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:01] <skaet> 2012/08/10 -  3011 (was 3010  (last  week):   We are behind the trendline for some of the projects.
[15:01] <skaet> There is only 1  weeks left until FeatureFreeze, so getting us back on track would be appreciated.  If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:01] <skaet> Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks.
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:01] <skaet> Quantal: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:01] <skaet> 12.04.1: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/milestone-12.04.1.html
[15:01] <skaet> 12.04.1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=49926
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> hmm... that date on the work items should be 2012/08/17..
[15:02] <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001741.html - QA - gema
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001742.html - Security - mdeslaur
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001745.html - Kernel - ogasawara
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001746.html - Desktop - seb128 (kenvandine rep)
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001747.html - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001748.html - HW Cert - brendand
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001749.html - Edubuntu - stgraber
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001750.html - Ubuntu Studio - astraljava
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001751.html - Xubuntu - astraljava
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001752.html - Kubuntu - Riddell
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001753.html - Linaro - fabo
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001754.html - Foudnations - ogra_
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001757.html - Ubuntu One - joshuahoover
[15:02] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001759.html - Server - arosales
[15:02] <skaet> ?? - Community Testing - balloons
[15:02] <skaet> ?? - Product Strategy (Unity) - popey
[15:02] <skaet> ..
[15:02] <skaet> #topic Questions and Comments
[15:03] <skaet> hi all,  welcome.
[15:03] <jdstrand> hi
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Hi
[15:03] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001760.html  mine
[15:03] <gilir> hi
[15:03] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-August/001761.html balloons
[15:03] <kenvandine> oh yay... when seb128 asked me to fill in i didn't even think about it being the week before feature freeze :)
[15:03]  * balloons thanks popey
[15:03] <skaet> thanks popey.
[15:04] <skaet> kenvandine, yup.   we'll Feature Feeze at 2100 UTC next Thursday.
[15:04] <skaet> other comments..
[15:04] <skaet> Data Center move didn’t go quite as smoothly as hoped for our buildds,  but i386, amd64, armhf are back on line now.   Powerpc will be back up shortly.   We’ll be respinning the candidates for 12.04.1 today, so look for them to appear on the iso tracker after we make a couple of decisions about some late landing fixes and the safety of their inclusion.
[15:04] <skaet> ..
[15:04] <skaet> any "o/" for questions before I start into my list?  ;)
[15:05] <skaet> astraljava, scott-work, stgraber,, Riddell,   -  any surprises seen from 12.04.1 smoke testing?   All ready for testing when first candidate images start to land?
[15:05] <scott-work> skaet: i am not aware of any problems
[15:05] <stgraber> so far so good for Edubuntu
[15:05] <stgraber> did a few tests yesterday without seeing any issue
[15:05] <stgraber> ..
[15:05] <Riddell> skaet: all good as far as it has been reported to me
[15:06] <skaet> thanks.    glad to hear it.  :)
[15:06] <skaet> ..
[15:06] <skaet> As we head into feature freeze and bugs are going to be more important...   spotting some concerns about following our process for this release.
[15:07] <skaet> arosales, QA reports running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1028453,  for a couple of weeks now,  but there doesn’t seem to be much activity on it.   Is it planned to be fixed?  (still has rls-q-incoming tag on it and isn’t targetted to quantal)
[15:08] <skaet> kenvandine,  also noticed  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brltty/+bug/1022927 - still has rls-q-incoming tag on it, and not targetted to quantal.  Is it planned to be fixed?
[15:08]  * arosales looking
[15:08] <kenvandine> skaet, i don't know
[15:08] <kenvandine> but i'll check into it
[15:08] <skaet> thanks kenvandine  :)
[15:08] <skaet> other one I spotted was:
[15:08] <skaet> Riddell in your bug list:  http://goo.gl/ESmab  there are about half without an importance set,  could you update those?  (wanting to know which are critical/high, and there looks like there may be a couple in the undecideds)
[15:09] <Riddell> yeah I need to do some bug triage
[15:09] <skaet> thanks Riddell.  :)
[15:09] <skaet> ..
[15:09] <skaet> gema,  bootspeed is showed significant reduction between 8/11 and 8/12 - was this is this a result of transition from test environement to real values, or further change expected?  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/acer-veriton-02/index.html
[15:10] <gema> skaet: the high timings were due to a problem with the environment
[15:10] <gema> we are rerunning the tests so that we have good data, now that we got to the bottom of things
[15:10] <gema> on old images
[15:10] <skaet> is the data from 8/12 onwards considered good?
[15:10] <arosales> skaet: I'll follow up on bug 1028453. We should be able to fix that hopefully before beta1
[15:11] <skaet> thanks arosales.    gema, ^
[15:11] <gema> skaet: do not consider anything definitive until we've caught up
[15:11] <gema> skaet: there is a bad run there from the 0813
[15:11] <skaet> gema,  fair 'nuf.  :)   thanks.
[15:11] <gema> np
[15:11] <skaet> ..
[15:12]  * skaet wonders if any one else has questions?
[15:12] <balloons> o/
[15:13] <Riddell> o/
[15:13] <skaet> go balloons
[15:14] <balloons> ok I've got a few questions.. I'll start with the ARM images. Right now none of the daily builds since alpha 3 have worked to my knowledge
[15:14]  * ogra_ tests daily ...
[15:15] <balloons> I'm trying to find the latest bug reports.. but I just wanted some feedback on a couple bugs causing issues
[15:15] <balloons> is it working for you?
[15:15] <ogra_> desktop was broken due to a general ubiquity bug for a few days (encryption page was getting in the way), beyond that ll images worked fine
[15:15] <skaet> gema, ^ any input?
[15:15] <gema> skaet: nope, we haven't been testing ARM
[15:16] <ogra_> but as i stated in my mail, from yesterday on desktop testing is moot, we dont have GLES drivers so you wont be able to use the desktop
[15:16] <ogra_> (the installer doesnt use any 3D elements, so you will be able to install but will not be able to run a live session or a desktop session on the installed system
[15:16] <ogra_> )
[15:16] <balloons> ogra_, we're getting kernel panics upon reboot
[15:16] <balloons> ahh.. so that might be the driving issue then
[15:17] <ogra_> balloons, bug # ?
[15:17] <ogra_> i definitely dont have any panics
[15:17] <ogra_> ..
[15:17] <balloons> bah I can't seem to find it right now.. at least the kernel panic issue
[15:17] <balloons> my issue was the wifi drivers not working, which the kernel folks fixed.. I still need to test again to see if it worked
[15:18] <ogra_> well, there will be a new kernel soon
[15:18] <ogra_> afaik it was just uploaded
[15:19] <balloons> ok, well, I guess what's the best way to communicate with you on the issues the community finds and I can confirm?
[15:19] <ogra_> (read: completely new from scratch ... vs the old cruft we used from precise with some hacks)
[15:19] <balloons> ogra_, ok, good to know!
[15:19] <ogra_> balloons, #ubuntu-arm generally has some distro arm people hanging around
[15:19] <balloons> I can gather up the shortlist of bugs I know is causing grief
[15:20] <balloons> ok, I'll chat more after, so I don't kill the meeting runtime
[15:20] <balloons> thanks ogra_
[15:20] <ogra_> and even though there is no official team anymore, the ubuntu-arm team on LP still exists, if you subscribe ubuntu-arm to bugs, the team gets mail notifications ;)
[15:20] <ogra_> ..
[15:20] <balloons> ..
[15:20] <balloons> ohh
[15:21] <balloons> lol, umm, I also wanted to ask colin what was going to happen with ubuquity before ff.. if anything
[15:21] <balloons> cjwatson, are you about ^^
[15:21] <skaet> ogra_,  do you know the plans?  or see if cjwatson can comment?
[15:22] <ogra_> skaet, nope, i know that xnox is working hard on the lvm and encryption bits but i would have to ask for status
[15:22] <ogra_> nothing beyond whats mentioned in the mail ...
[15:22] <ogra_> ..
[15:22] <skaet> ogra_, ack
[15:22] <cjwatson> balloons: I'm not particularly working on it at the moment, although xnox is continuing to make progress on LVM/crypto work
[15:23]  * xnox 0/
[15:23] <cjwatson> ah yes, ogra_ said that too :)
[15:24] <xnox> after ff, there will be more changes to the manual partitionaire. The automatic installation is done.
[15:24] <xnox> lvm, ecryption is supported.
[15:24] <xnox> no raid.
[15:25] <xnox> ..
[15:25] <skaet> xnox,  so FFE planned for the changes to the manual partitioners?
[15:25] <Riddell> xnox: interesting, we should look at doing that in the kde frontend sometime presumably
[15:25] <balloons> xnox, ok great. I'll want to make especially sure we have testcases for that
[15:25] <balloons> ..
[15:25] <xnox> skaet: there was an email out about it to you from slangasek. And I still need to follow up on it with more details.
[15:26] <skaet> xnox,  ok.
[15:26] <xnox> skaet: initially, after feature-freeze I will continue to implement bits and that see if they are ready to be incorporated into the installer.
[15:26] <xnox> and if they are, then possibly there might be changes landing after the ff.
[15:27] <xnox> Riddell: yes. The automatic partitioning is done, and you can start implementing the Qt front-end changes.
[15:28] <skaet> xnox,  please make sure well documented, so that we can make sure testing lines up with it.
[15:29] <skaet> will follow up on the rest by email (when I scrub my inbox to find that message :/ )
[15:29] <skaet> ..
[15:29] <xnox> skaet: yes. I have started discussions to enable automatic testing of ecryption in jenkins, and I will be adding manual iso test cases soon as well (next week)
[15:29] <xnox> ..
[15:29] <skaet> xnox,  thanks!  :)
[15:30] <skaet> Riddell,  your turn now
[15:30] <Riddell> Canonical server are having some downtime this weekend, will that affect CD build?
[15:30] <ogra_> doesnt it already  ?
[15:30] <stgraber> Riddell: I don't think so, the builders have been moved yesterday
[15:31] <ogra_> yeah
[15:31] <Riddell> that makes life easier
[15:31] <ogra_> well, there is still enough to do for them and bad things can always happen :)
[15:32] <ogra_> ..
[15:32] <skaet> cron jobs are running again at least.
[15:32] <skaet> ..
[15:32] <Riddell> ..
[15:33] <skaet> kenvandine,  the new xserver breaking NVIDIA,   who's on point to get this resolved?
[15:33] <stgraber> Riddell: just confirmed, nusakan is on the "stay in GS2" list and the rest was already moved, so not expecting any CD build failure this weekend.
[15:33] <stgraber> ..
[15:33] <skaet> thanks stgraber.  :)
[15:33] <skaet> ..
[15:34] <kenvandine> skaet, i think tseliot
[15:34] <skaet> Given the scope of machines potentially involved and beta 1 coming up,  is there plans to roll back if we don't have a fix in place?
[15:35] <skaet> before beta 1 freeze?
[15:35] <kenvandine> not that i am aware of
[15:35] <kenvandine> but i'll make a note of it for seb128
[15:35] <skaet> thanks kenvandine :)
[15:35] <skaet> ..
[15:35] <ogra_> iirc the plan (picked up from another channel) is to rebuild with the 13 ABI dropped, that will make the packlage uninstallable until it is fixed
[15:35] <ogra_> ..
[15:36] <skaet> thanks ogra_
[15:37] <skaet> popey,  will this likely impact your team's development?
[15:37] <popey> which bit skaet ?
[15:37] <skaet> (ie. do a lot of them have nvidia boxes?)
[15:37] <popey> we have a mix
[15:37] <skaet> new xserve not working with NVIDIA
[15:37] <popey> mostly not nvidia
[15:37] <kenvandine> unity developers rely heavily on nvidia
[15:38] <smartboyhw> I like AMD
[15:38] <ogra_> they could all just switch to pandaboards !
[15:38] <kenvandine> last time this happened, unity lost like 3 weeks of productive development time
[15:38] <ogra_> oh, wait, no driver for that either ...
[15:38] <ogra_> ..
[15:38]  * skaet resists getting into the unity 2D/3D discussion...
[15:38] <kenvandine> ogra_, you're funny :)
[15:39] <popey> skaet, most of my guys are intel/amd people, unity guys afaict are mostly intel
[15:39]  * ogra_ likes how we fill the chasm with a landfill of non-GL capable computers to make our users get over it
[15:39] <popey> unless kenvandine knows better
[15:39] <ogra_> :P
[15:39] <ogra_> ..
[15:39] <popey> ..
[15:39] <kenvandine> popey, unless things changed... mostly nvidia
[15:39]  * xnox wants to know the post code location of that landfill.....
[15:40] <kenvandine> DBO, jay, macslow, etc
[15:40] <kenvandine> mostly the GL guys
[15:40] <popey> ok
[15:40] <kenvandine> they all live and breathe nvidia
[15:40] <skaet> kenvandine,  thanks,  yeah,  please raise the possibility of reverting with seb128
[15:41] <kenvandine> skaet, noted
[15:42] <skaet> ..
[15:43] <skaet> popey,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1008918 is showing up on our tracking list of one that needs to be fixed, but I'm not seeing it on your list of bugs working on.   Can you look at adding it to the active list?
[15:44] <popey> i see lukasz requested more info
[15:44] <skaet> gema, ^
[15:44] <popey> ok skaet
[15:44] <popey> ..
[15:45] <gema> skaet: ?
[15:45] <skaet> gema,  bug on unity QA reported is waiting on an question answer
[15:46] <ogra_> looks like thats against unity-2d though ... isnt that unsupported now ?
[15:46] <gema> skaet: no worries we will get that moving
[15:46] <skaet> thanks gema,  popey.  :)
[15:47]  * skaet wondering if any one else has questions?
[15:48] <skaet> if not...
[15:48] <stgraber> just got a quick one
[15:48] <skaet> just a reminder we Feature Freeze for 12.10 at 2100 next Thursday.     Release Note Freeze for 12.04.1
[15:48] <skaet> on 2100 next Monday.
[15:48] <skaet> go stgraber.  :)
[15:49] <stgraber> for kernel, I noticed that bug 1021471 was reproduced by Clint yesterday, would be good if it could be prioritized and looked into as it's affecting quite a few people running lxc apparently
[15:49] <skaet> ogasawara, ^
[15:49]  * ogasawara will take a look
[15:49] <stgraber> I poked about it a few meetings back but we stopped getting reproducers since then until yesterday when Clint poked me about it
[15:49] <stgraber> ..
[15:49] <stgraber> ogasawara: thanks
[15:50] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 17 15:50:28 2012 UTC.
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-17-15.00.moin.txt
[15:50] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-17-15.00.html
[15:50] <xnox> thanks
[15:50] <smartboyhw> thanks
[15:51]  * ogra_ hugs skaet
[15:52] <skaet> Thanks stgraber, popey, gema, ogra_, xnox, cjwatson, kenvandine,  Riddell , scott-work, ogasawara , balloons, gema, gilir, smartboyhw
[15:52] <popey> \o/
[15:52] <popey> thanks skaet
[15:52] <kenvandine> thanks skaet
[15:52]  * skaet hugs ogra_ back.  :)
[15:52] <skaet> have a good weekend all.
[15:52] <kenvandine> you too
[15:52] <ogra_> you too !
[15:52] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:53] <skaet> thanks arosales
[15:53] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[15:53]  * skaet just noticed missed on earlier thanks
[15:54] <arosales> thanks skaet for chairing :-)
[15:55] <jdstrand> bye!
[15:55] <skaet> thanks jdstrand  :)
[15:56] <smartboyhw> Bye!
[15:56] <seb128> skaet, kenvandine: I'm back, reverting what?
[15:56] <kenvandine> nvidia
[15:56] <seb128> I had a chat with the #ubuntu-x guys about nvidia this morning
[15:56] <kenvandine> breaking the ABI or something
[15:56] <skaet> seb128, xserve until we get an nvidia fix
[15:56] <seb128> skaet, kenvandine: reverting 60 xorg packages? ahah, good one
[15:56] <kenvandine> remember the last time this happened?
[15:57] <seb128> yes, that's why I went to rant on #ubuntu-x
[15:57] <kenvandine> and the unity team lost 3 weeks of work?
[15:57] <seb128> they told me it's #ubuntu-release who wanted to copy to quantal
[15:57] <seb128> I'm not totally happy that #ubuntu-release forced the copy to quantal knowing that was broken
[15:57] <seb128> I know the argument is "proposed is not meant for avoid breakages"
[15:57] <seb128> but still
[15:58] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:58] <seb128> anyway tseliot said he had a driver update and he would aim at verifying it works and uploading to quantal today
[15:58] <kenvandine> it was some level of protection though
[15:58] <kenvandine> ok
[15:58] <kenvandine> good
[15:58] <kenvandine> thx seb
[15:58] <kenvandine> seb128, the other question skaet had was about bug 1022927
[15:58] <kenvandine> tagged rls-q-incoming but not targetted
[15:59] <Laney> proposed isn't meant to be used that way indeed, but since it /was/ discovered, we should have used that data ...
[16:00] <seb128> Laney, indeed, that's my point
[16:00] <Laney> but I don't blame whoever did the copy
[16:00] <Laney> someone should have asked for it to be removed from proposed
[16:00] <seb128> #ubuntu-release decided to break quantal nvidia users for the sake of making an argument about not using proposed this way
[16:00]  * xnox pulled one borked update out of -proposed and didn't let it be copied into quantal-release. But infinity was friendly enough to me & made the removal
[16:01] <seb128> whoever did the copy knew it would screw nvidia users
[16:01] <Laney> pretty sure it wasn't intentional
[16:01] <seb128> I pointed it to them last week
[16:01] <skaet> seb128, who in #ubuntu-release?
[16:02] <seb128> skaet, I don't know, but yesterday I read infinity making a comment about taking a axe and breaking xorg
[16:02] <Laney> if launchpad would stop oopsing then i could find out
[16:02] <seb128> so I guess him ;-)
[16:02] <Laney> yeah that's right
[16:02] <skaet> seb128,  ack.
[16:03] <Laney> I don't think he was referring to breaking it for users to teach people a lesson though.
[16:03] <Laney> but I'll leave you to discuss it ;-)
[16:03] <seb128> and I'm sure infinity knew nvidia was broken
[16:03] <Laney> ttyl
[16:03] <seb128> he discussed that transition with tjaalton this week and I pointed the nvidia issue last week
[16:03] <seb128> Laney, see you
[16:08] <ScottK> I think it's flat out wrong to gate a free software development project on availability of binary blobs.
[16:24] <seb128> ScottK, it's flat wrong to break nvidia users without at least publishing a warning before about what is going to happen and what they should do
[16:25] <ScottK> Nah.  People who depend on binary blobs are stuck running at their own risk.
[16:25] <ScottK> Even post release they can get broken without warning.
[16:26] <seb128> no they are not
[16:26] <seb128> or find me where we there is a project statement saying so
[16:27] <seb128> we have a checkbox in our installer
[16:27] <ScottK> It's inherent in running a blob.
[16:27] <seb128> and it's not flagged as "this option might stop working any time"
[16:27] <seb128> no it's not
[16:27] <ScottK> There's no way we can guarantee things will work.
[16:27] <seb128> it's easy enough to deal with those
[16:27] <seb128> we control when we do xorg abi transitions
[16:27] <seb128> and we know the state of the drivers at the time we decide
[16:28] <ScottK> Where is it stated as policy that X updates in the development release require non-free support before landing?
[16:29] <seb128> ScottK, in the "no regression, usable every day" statement
[16:29] <ScottK> The only way to do that is never land anything.
[16:29] <ScottK> That's marketing, not policy.
[16:30] <seb128> I've argued enough, we perfectly knew the state of that transition
[16:30] <seb128> it's not even something you can argue over
[16:30] <ScottK> Yes and I think it was fine.
[16:30] <ScottK> How long would you have waited?
[16:30] <ScottK> Past feature freeze?
[16:30] <seb128> until at least somebody dropped the abi: 13 from the nvidia driver
[16:30] <seb128> which is a buggy claim
[16:31] <seb128> and lead those user to get the upgrade
[16:31] <seb128> rather than having it put on hold
[16:31] <seb128> it's a one line fix
[16:31] <seb128> I don't buy your "we couldn't do that"
[16:31] <ScottK> For how long has someone not done that?
[16:32] <ScottK> If it's so easy, then I don't understand why it's not done.
[16:32] <seb128> that's an orthogonal issue and worth figuring as well yes
[16:32] <ScottK> I agree if there's an easy fix, it should be done and should have been done.
[16:33] <ScottK> All I was aware of was "not compatible" which generally means an upstream update of the blob is needed.
[16:33] <ScottK> Those I think there's no point in waiting on.
[16:33] <seb128> that's another discussion and I disagree with you
[16:34] <seb128> or we should at least announce that properly when it happens and we knew about it
[16:34] <seb128> some people did a pretty bad communication job here
[16:47] <ScottK> I won't argue about communication.  I agree about warning.  I disagree about waiting.


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[05:16] <fabbione> Unpacking cpp-4.1 (from .../cpp-4.1_4.1.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[05:16] <fabbione> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/cpp-4.1_4.1.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:16] <fabbione>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/cpp-4.1.1.gz', which is also in package gcj-4.1
[05:16] <fabbione> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:16] <fabbione> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:16] <fabbione>  /var/cache/apt/archives/cpp-4.1_4.1.1-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
[05:16] <fabbione> doko: ^^
[04:24] <jbailey> doko:
[04:24] <jbailey> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.1-base/copyright
[04:24] <jbailey> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.1-base/.copyright
[04:24] <jbailey> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.1-base/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:24] <jbailey> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.1-base/.changelog.Debian.gz
[04:24] <jbailey>  ?
[04:25] <doko> see the changelog, it's there to fix an upgrade from a bad version
[04:27] <jbailey> I don't see that from a quick search, but as long as it's known =)
[04:27] <jbailey> I wish I knew how many people were running the edgy glibc.
[04:37] <fabbione> jbailey: i am :)
[04:37] <fabbione> xine -> gtk crash on i386
[04:37] <fabbione> dhcpclient hang on ppc
[04:37] <fabbione> that's all i have seen for no
[04:37] <fabbione> +w
[04:37] <jbailey> Oh interesting.  I don't see the dhclient on my ppc.
[04:37] <jbailey> I wonder what's different.
[04:37] <fabbione> no idea
[04:38] <fabbione> and i didn't have time to look at it yet
[04:38] <fabbione> too busy with sparc/dapper
[04:38] <jbailey> No worries. =)


[17:31] <bencrisford> highvoltage: whats happening with edubuntu uds sessions, is there any scheduled yet?
[17:32] <bencrisford> because i'm interested to see what I can participate remotely in and what I can't
[19:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford: afaik the scheduling isn't being done yet
[19:10] <bencrisford> highvoltage: for just us or the whole summit?
[19:10] <bencrisford> because there is already some put down on http://summit.ubuntu.com
[19:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford: whole summit
[19:10] <bencrisford> highvoltage: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-m/2010-05-10/
[19:11] <bencrisford> monday already has like 6 sessions
[19:11] <bencrisford> if that is the same uds-m ..?
[19:14] <highvoltage> bencrisford: oh cool
[19:31] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I guess alot of them are jono and the comm. team being as organised as they are, but if we get organised as well, then it will maximise the amount of remote participants that can get to the sessions ;)
[19:31] <bencrisford> because I won't be around for alot of sessions, which sucks, and I bet thats the same for quite a few of us
[19:32] <bencrisford> whilst the schedules mostly clear we still have the choice to get sessions that as many people as possible can remote participate in
[19:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: internet problems ? :P
[20:26] <highvoltage> bencrisford: grr, it seems so
[20:27] <bencrisford> highvoltage: I had some trouble a few weeks ago
[20:27] <bencrisford> the router just disconnected every 10 minutes
[20:27] <bencrisford> but it fixed itself it seems
[20:30] <bencrisford> highvoltage: before you timed out I was basically saying that if we schedule now, we can get the best times for remote-participants so that as many as poss. can take part


[09:22] <rmg51> Morning
[12:22] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[17:59] <_nomad> good afternoon


[00:49] <SergioMeneses> hi guys!
[06:57] <jibel> good morning
[09:20] <DanChapman> hmmmm autopilot not working today. Has anything changed?
[09:22] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, wrong channel to ask
[12:16] <balloons> knome, can we merge your change without the css fix?
[12:51] <DanChapman> good day balloons :D
[12:51] <balloons> morning DanChapman
[13:27] <DanChapman> balloons is there plans to create something like a mini tutorial series on autopilot for the QA wiki/website?
[13:28] <balloons> elfy, so what do you mean what would you do with the bugs assigned to you?
[13:28] <balloons> once the stuff is merged, you can close it ;-)
[13:29] <balloons> DanChapman, I did a mini-series on my blog last winter, but your best served by the official docs now
[13:29] <balloons> that said there is a walkthrough on the wiki
[13:30] <elfy> balloons: see - you're doing it again ;) change status to fix committed, fix released? won't fix :p
[13:30] <balloons> we could certainly improve it -- any specific feedback you have?
[13:30] <balloons> elfy, in general we've used the nomenclature as follows; fix committed is for when you have committed it.. fix released is when it's merged
[13:31] <elfy> right - thanks
[13:31] <balloons> basically fix released is what is set after a merge.. that and people mark that they are working on things
[13:31] <elfy> so 2 released and one still waiting merge then afaik
[13:31] <balloons> elfy, everything should be merged from you.. there only one pending merge request I know of for the project now
[13:32] <elfy> xchat looks like it is still at the needs fixing that you set - that I'd merged or pushed or whatever it's called :)
[13:32] <elfy> here - all I am working on is thunar
[13:33] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat
[13:35] <balloons> elfy, ohh bother.. since you had it included in those other proposals it's status got set to merged
[13:35] <elfy> oh ok
[13:36] <elfy> sorry and all that :)
[13:36] <balloons> I undid it's autologic :-)
[13:36] <balloons> anything else that might have gotten swept up?
[13:36] <elfy> I guess that's one of your Canonical words that mean little to me - like dogfood - dogfood? don't you lot make them scavenge :p
[13:37] <balloons> lol.. dogfooding is a fun term
[13:37] <elfy> nope - here I'm only working on thunar - mosuepad, xchat and catfish are all doen as far as I'm concerned
[13:37] <balloons> I just made that up.. something that might more sense to you is I reset the status of the merge request to 'needs review' instead of merged. So we can continue to work on it till it's ready
[13:37] <elfy> balloons: I guessed as much :)
[13:38] <balloons> did you push the changes I asked for on xchat? they don't show in your branch
[13:39] <elfy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat/revision/111?start_revid=111
[13:39] <elfy> that's what I did - the last two lines that then close it without prompting
[13:44] <balloons> odd.. ok, I'll assume it's in the branch then
[13:44] <balloons> let me pull
[13:45] <elfy> well if it all goes belly up I do have it here still
[13:50] <balloons> ugh
[13:55] <elfy> did I break launchpad then
[13:56] <balloons> done
[13:56] <balloons> you can't break it elfy  :-)
[13:57] <elfy> mmm
[13:57] <elfy> that a challenge? :p
[13:57] <balloons> no please!
[13:58] <elfy> :)
[13:58] <elfy> so we all sorted now - me goes to look
[14:00] <elfy> balloons: ok so at some point it will disappear from my branch yes - and then I can remove it all locally
[14:00] <balloons> it's in the main branch now, you can remove your branches with it
[14:00] <balloons> any new work you want to do, grab trunk
[14:07] <balloons> DanChapman, so evince is ready right?
[14:11]  * balloons notes he still gets errors :-(
[14:11] <DanChapman> fileroller not evince
[14:12] <DanChapman> im stilll wroking on evince but autopilot not playing nice till next update i believe
[14:13] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh, ok
[14:13] <balloons> I'll checkout fileroller then in a second
[14:17] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh, you added cleanup steps.. fun
[14:18] <balloons> DanChapman, could we move the hardcoded filename to a generated temporary filename instead? In addition, this would make files in /tmp instead of /home.. which is nicer
[14:22] <balloons> Otherwise good stuff.. works fine on my box
[14:26] <SergioMeneses> morning guys!
[14:27] <balloons> morning SergioMeneses
[14:28] <SergioMeneses> balloons, hey bro! I was reading about the new bugs and I'm going to work on some of them
[14:28] <balloons> SergioMeneses, excellent.. Yes chilicuil has been busy getting them all filed. I think everything is in now right chilicuil ?
[14:28] <balloons> we should announce progress.. I'll try and do that before the end of the week
[14:29] <SergioMeneses> I saw that, and excellent work :)
[14:31] <DanChapman> balloons: yeah i can get that changed. apart from that it works fine though?
[14:32] <balloons> DanChapman, yes, otherwise works fine
[14:32] <chilicuil> hello balloons, SergioMeneses, good morning =), it's almost, today I'm filling lubuntu bugs, and after that it'll be only mythubuntu left
[14:32] <DanChapman> sweet :)
[14:32] <balloons> the hacky workaround is the only thing that makes me nervous.. but it seems to hold up fine
[14:33] <balloons> I'm ok with it going in as is.. However, I was looking at the terminal test. I think I'm going to file a bug to fix the flaws before I consider it production ready
[14:33] <balloons> we have to remember once these are in jenkins, if they fail we've got to be on top of them seeing why and filing bugs for anything that is discovered.. we don't want our tests failing for silly timing issues :-)
[14:34] <SergioMeneses> chilicuil, awesome! I will work at night on testcases, if you need some kind of help, please let me know :D
[14:34] <balloons> I pushed gedit and nautilus to the production branch..
[14:34] <balloons> I'll push fileroller and evince too once they merge
[14:35] <SergioMeneses> balloons, gedit testcase or autopilot test?
[14:35] <balloons> this is all autopilot stuff  yes :-)
[14:35] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: yep, thanks, good luck with your day =)
[14:35] <DanChapman> yeah, i dont like it either, but what else can be done? .... and true about the terminal test, i only proposed so it could go into the dev branch, i didnt expect it would be production ready ::)
[14:36] <SergioMeneses> balloons, ok
[14:37] <balloons> DanChapman, yes, the hacky workaround is just that. I'd rather have the test than hold on it.. The terminal testcase though, as you say, can be improved further, so we should do that before migrating
[14:37] <SergioMeneses> in other things: chilicuil we are working on ubuconla2014 maybe you want to see what we got :)
[14:37] <balloons> I'm just excitied they are all getting completed and we have production ready tests finally ;-)
[14:37] <DanChapman> balloons with the hacky workaround what about getting some asserts on the GtkLocation so it can assess the file path as it navigates to the sample data? that should make it 'a bit' more stable?
[14:38] <balloons> DanChapman, based on your comment, you couldn't introspect that.. can you?
[14:40] <DanChapman> Yeah its not the introspection thats the problem. Its if you enter a file path into it it doesn't navigate to it.
[14:43] <chilicuil> SergioMeneses: I didn't know you were already working on ubuconla 2014!, wow, I'd really love to see what you have and help if possible
[14:43] <DanChapman> balloons there seemed to be only two ways to add files, either my hacky workaround or navigate with a mouse.
[14:48] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh.. so your saying after you navigate to it, you could assert that your opening the right thing.. but even if you weren't there's nothing you could do to fix it
[14:48] <balloons> I wouldn't worry about it :-)
[14:50] <DanChapman> I was thinking that as you go through the directory in the location bar it updates your current position  so if it was to assert say that we are now in /usr then assert we went in to /usr/share at least with that if the test fails during this point we could see which step it is failing on?
[14:51] <DanChapman> I'll leave it for now but if it does become an issue then i will look into it. Will just get tempfile working for now
[14:52] <balloons> DanChapman, yea, I don't think it's worth the trouble to assert so much.. but you could. If it fails during the hack, well, i assume it will be obvious
[14:52] <balloons> but then again, it's not going to fail ;-)
[14:52] <DanChapman> of course not :D
[14:53] <DanChapman> Is your autopilot working ok today then?
[14:54] <balloons> yes, but I haven't updated yet today -- it's broken for you?
[14:54] <balloons> that shouldn't happen if your on stable
[14:54] <DanChapman> I ran update this morning and its now broken. veebers was working on a fix but said it wont be available till later
[14:54] <balloons> DanChapman, ahh you can rollback then if you'd like
[14:55] <DanChapman> ooo yes please. How do i do that?
[14:55] <balloons> you on saucy?
[14:55] <DanChapman> no raring
[14:56] <balloons> k, and your using the ppa right?
[14:58] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa/+files/autopilot-desktop_1.3daily13.05.30ubuntu.unity.nextbzr230raring0_all.deb
[14:58] <balloons> you can always manually grab the previous version.. I believe that will roll you back one
[15:12] <DanChapman> sorry phone call, yeah using the ppa
[15:12] <DanChapman> ok will try grabbing one
[15:16] <DanChapman> balloons still getting the same errors. Traceback (most recent call last):
[15:16] <DanChapman>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/utilities.py", line 242, in action_on_test_start
[15:16] <DanChapman>     obj.on_test_start(test_instance)
[15:16] <DanChapman>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/autopilot/globals.py", line 108, in on_test_start
[15:16] <DanChapman>     if _video_logger._enable_recording:
[15:16] <DanChapman> AttributeError: '_VideoLogger' object has no attribute '_enable_recording'
[15:16] <balloons> hmm
[15:16] <balloons> I'm using: 1.3daily13.05.29ubuntu.unity.nextbzr228saucy0
[15:17] <balloons> try grabbing the raring version of that :-)
[15:17] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa/+files/autopilot-desktop_1.3daily13.05.30ubuntu.unity.nextbzr228raring0_all.deb
[15:17] <DanChapman> ok will give it a try
[15:17] <balloons> bah.. the hack failed
[15:18] <DanChapman> :O really??
[15:18] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa/+files/autopilot-desktop_1.3daily13.05.29ubuntu.unity.nextbzr228raring0_all.deb
[15:18] <balloons> I meant my link.. I didn't look, I just changed the old link ;-) that one should work ^^
[15:18] <DanChapman> ok cheers :)
[15:21] <DanChapman> balloons, thats a no aswell :(
[15:22] <balloons> does autopilot from there not work?
[15:22] <DanChapman> no im getting atrribute errors saying keyboard has no attrib 'cleanup' and _VideoLogger errors.
[15:24] <balloons> ohh
[15:24] <balloons> you need the other deb too
[15:24] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa/+files/python-autopilot_1.3daily13.05.29ubuntu.unity.nextbzr228raring0_all.deb
[15:28] <DanChapman> woohoo, cheers balloons :D just need to go get vis and im good to go for now
[15:29] <balloons> you need the vis link too?
[15:29] <DanChapman> if you got it handy :)
[15:30] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/~autopilot/+archive/ppa/+files/python-autopilot-vis_1.3daily13.05.29ubuntu.unity.nextbzr228raring0_all.deb
[15:30] <DanChapman> awesome, cheers :D
[15:31] <balloons> wouldn't want you to be stuck for such a silly thing  :-)
[15:32] <DanChapman> :-) can get evince finished off now.
[15:55] <elfy> balloons: ok - I am completely lost again - have no idea what I should be doing to get rid of that xchat thing in my branch
[15:58] <balloons> elfy, ok so your working on thunar now right?
[15:58] <elfy> not yet :)
[15:58] <elfy> intend to
[15:58] <balloons> ohh.. so all your work is in the main branch?
[15:58] <balloons> if so, this is the perfect time
[15:59] <elfy> hang on
[16:00] <elfy> I have a folder in manualtests/thunar/ into which I have pulled or whatever so now have /testcases and .bzr in there
[16:00] <elfy> I DID have a folder the other day that I must have pushed - which is showing up on my branch
[16:00] <elfy> I have got rid of the thing that had xchat in
[16:01] <balloons> right
[16:01] <balloons> so the workflow is to always start with bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[16:02] <elfy> which I did - hence having the testcase etc in there
[16:02] <balloons> do that and you can't go wrong.. just make sure you seperate out your work
[16:02] <elfy> the branch I pulled has the 4 latest tests in it - so I know that is up to date
[16:04] <elfy> so - first question is - I will create at some point my thunar thing - so do it in the root of that @ manualtests/thunar or in manualtests/thunar/ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/
[16:05] <elfy> then second question is how do I get rid of the 2 things sitting in my branch :)
[16:12] <balloons> elfy, ok so what do you mean the 2 things sitting in your branch?
[16:12] <balloons> and yes you can make a new file for thunar in testcases/packages/thunar
[16:12] <balloons> then use bzr add to add it, etc, etc
[16:12] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy
[16:13] <elfy> there are 2 there - an xchat one and a Thunar one from the other day - neither actually exist here
[16:13] <balloons> right, you removed them.. do you want them anymore? normally when they are merged launchpad automatically updates the status foryou
[16:14] <elfy> don't want them anymore
[16:14] <balloons> change the dropdown to "any status"
[16:14] <balloons> you'll see what I mean
[16:14] <elfy> oh yea - see the other 2 now
[16:14] <balloons> right, so the xchat one got messed up.. it didn't trigger the 'merged' status
[16:14] <balloons> you can fix manually: https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat
[16:14] <elfy> yea
[16:14] <balloons> go set the status in there
[16:15] <balloons> the thunar one will get set to 'merged' once it too goes in
[16:15] <balloons> if you decide you don't want it, you can manually set the status to abandoned
[16:15] <elfy> I'm going to abandon that and start again I think
[16:16] <balloons> kk
[16:16] <elfy> yay - ok - blank slate
[16:16] <elfy> now I have a blank file ready for me to work on Thunar in /packages
[16:16] <elfy> so bzr add?
[16:17] <DanChapman> afternoon elfy :D
[16:17] <elfy> DanChapman: hello - sigh ... :p
[16:17] <elfy> this is daft - it's hardly rocket science :)
[16:18] <elfy> balloons: so now I have a blank thunar sittting in the folder with the other real testcases
[16:18] <DanChapman> you still having troubles?
[16:18] <balloons> elfy, yep sounds like your ready to rock
[16:18] <balloons> bzr status will show you your one unknown file
[16:19] <elfy> yep unknown
[16:20] <balloons> knome, ping when your around. I'd like to tackle your giant merge today
[16:30] <elfy> balloons: ok - thanks - that looks right here and there :)
[16:33] <balloons> "=_
[16:33] <balloons> :-)
[16:34] <elfy> sorry to be a pita - but there you go, such is life sometimes
[16:40] <balloons> no worries mate
[16:45] <elfy> :)
[16:46] <elfy> what I'm really wanting to do is just get on and write something :p
[16:47] <elfy> was looking at autopilot this morning - for the items in Xubuntu main menu - 22 got the autopilot module not loading error
[16:49] <balloons> elfy, did some of them work?
[16:49] <elfy> balloons: yea - table at bottom of page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[16:50] <elfy> of course it's possible that the fails would work if you got ther right combiantion of -i
[16:51] <elfy> and I'd guess that someoen will look at tbird so that would be a Y in the end - most of the outright fails were all xfce4-'thing'
[16:51] <elfy> someone who doesn't think python is a snake is looking further for us
[16:52] <elfy> still got no idea why someone named a language after pot hed pixies
[16:59] <elfy> hi SergioMeneses
[16:59] <elfy> can I ask how the gnumeric manual testcase is?
[17:00] <SergioMeneses> elfy, hi hi
[17:00] <SergioMeneses> I saw your message but I was in work time :S
[17:00] <elfy> k
[17:00] <SergioMeneses> elfy, it is quite :S do you want to work on it?  this weekend I'll work on some testecases
[17:00] <SergioMeneses> maybe you can join and have a good time :D
[17:00] <elfy> I'm looking at thunar at the moment - not wanting more than one at a time :)
[17:00] <SergioMeneses> elfy, wise words
[17:01] <SergioMeneses> but you can assign more than one but peer person
[17:01] <elfy> someone else is looking at xubuntu ones too
[17:01] <SergioMeneses> it is not a big deal
[17:01] <balloons> elfy, nice chart
[17:01] <SergioMeneses> elfy, now I'm updating my Lubuntu images
[17:02] <elfy> SergioMeneses: I'm having more than enough trouble with LP and all this thanks - without confusing me and then me confusing balloons later :p
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> balloons, elfy which?
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> *chart
[17:02] <elfy> balloons: I hate wiki - took me longer to do that than to see if they ran
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> jajajaja
[17:02] <balloons> so as far as what's next with the autopilot stuff, we need to bring it up with pitti and the autopilot decs
[17:02] <balloons> *devs
[17:02] <SergioMeneses> elfy, which wiki?
[17:02] <elfy> SergioMeneses: autopilot stuff that fails for xubuntu apps - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[17:02] <balloons> pitti has agreed specifically to look after issues that we have with autopilot-gtk.. and if we can get support added for the apps or not
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> elfy, ++
[17:03] <balloons> SergioMeneses, I'm talking about this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/AutopilotTesting
[17:03] <SergioMeneses> guys lunchtime here! I'll be back soon :D
[17:04] <elfy> sounds like a good idea :)
[17:07] <balloons> ohh lunch.
[17:07] <balloons> me too!
[17:07] <elfy> :(
[17:07] <elfy> dinner time and I'm too lazy
[18:07] <njin> hallo QA, can someone test ubuntu-docviewer-app for bug 1176592
[18:08] <balloons> just launch and it crashes?
[18:09] <njin> hallo balloons, yes
[18:11] <balloons> njin, k, lemme check
[18:11] <elfy> I'd assume it to be specific to ubuntu then perhaps - works ok here
[18:11] <elfy> nvm - ignore me :)
[18:13] <balloons> njin, indeed.. segfault dump here
[18:16] <njin> balloons, so reply to the defveloper that will be enthusiat of our efficiency
[18:16] <balloons> :-)
[18:16] <njin> :-)
[18:16] <balloons> how's things looking with the core apps?
[18:17] <njin> from my side still remaining serious problem, but don't worry, time will repair
[18:19] <balloons> they keep improving it don't they :-)
[18:58] <balloons> back later all :-p
[19:12] <Vasudevan> hi, what version of autopilot is installed on saucy 13.10 daily build when we apt-get install python-autopilot?
[19:13] <Vasudevan> on my vm, version string is showing up as 1.0
[19:13] <knome> balloons, i'm around, but not for long (still sick)
[19:15] <DanChapman> should be 1.3 Vasudevan did you get from the ppa?
[19:17] <Vasudevan> DanChapman,it is the default, I got a daily image 3-4 days back, set up the vm, did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and then installed python-autopilot
[19:18] <DanChapman> You need to fetch it from ppa:autopilot/ppa to get 1.3
[19:20] <Vasudevan> ok, so what command should I use - apt-get install python-autopilot1.3?
[19:21] <knome> balloons, back later, maybe look at it tomorrow if i feel any better
[19:21] <knome> ->
[19:22] <DanChapman> its still just python-autopilot, I had to turn off universe in software sources then install it when i did it because it kept fetching 1.2 from universe even though id added the ppa
[19:28] <Vasudevan> will these steps work ? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:autopilot/ppa, apt-get update,  apt-get install python-autopilot
[19:28] <DanChapman> Have you removed your current version?
[19:29] <DanChapman> But yes that should work
[19:44] <Vasudevan> DanChapman, ok thanks, installed autopilot 1.3; test_nautilus,  still  throws same error that we were seeing before - Unable to find Autopilot interface
[19:45] <Vasudevan> it launched the app and then throws this error after a few seconds
[19:45] <DanChapman> Yeah nautilus is one of the problem ones at the moment, you have to use processmanager
[19:46] <DanChapman> There is a converted nautilus test in the trunk at the moment if you want to pull it and expand it further?
[19:46] <DanChapman> it only creates a directory and deletes at the moment
[19:46] <DanChapman> Although you cant use introspection on it
[19:47] <Vasudevan> with processmanager, the only option is to send keyboard events and mouse clicks right?
[19:47] <DanChapman> yeah pretty much :(
[19:47] <Vasudevan> so to select child windows and other actions using processmanager it is difficult
[19:49] <Vasudevan> does nautilus have hot key mapping for most of the actions or we must set them up first?
[19:50] <DanChapman> Vasudevan, im not sure.... i would say they need setting up
[19:50] <Vasudevan> ok, DanChapman, let me see how farI get with that
[19:51] <Vasudevan> one more thing, did you get any issues with the default terminal application in the saucy daily image?
[19:52] <DanChapman> with autopilot?
[19:52] <Vasudevan> with in the vm, after i open a new terminal, it does not show any commands being typed
[19:52] <Vasudevan> not autopilot, just the default terminal app
[19:53] <DanChapman> Ive not had any problems with it when ive run it in a vm.
[19:53] <Vasudevan> luckily, i tried another term type (uxterm) and it is working correctly
[19:54] <Vasudevan> quite strange..
[20:11] <knome> balloons, actually, i'm back again for some time at least...
[20:43] <balloons> knome, heh.. ok so can we merge your big change without issue while we await the css change?
[20:43] <knome> balloons, it will show all the elements (just not optimally styled)
[20:43] <balloons> kome, and second, how did you make the changes and what is your comfort level with it? the diff is huge, can't really manually review it
[20:43] <knome> balloons, if you want to make sure, get stgraber to approve the css first
[20:44] <knome> balloons, the changes are made manually, so it should be all okay
[20:44] <balloons> knome, I don't want your merge to get stale.. we should move it in soon :-)
[20:44] <knome> it's obvious there might be an odd typo here or there, but i'm pretty sure it's good now
[20:46] <knome> ...so yes, i'm very comfortable with it :)
[20:46] <balloons> knome, ok, on that basis I'll just go ahead and merge it
[20:46] <knome> the css change diff is really trivial though, so shouldn't take even a minute to review it
[20:47] <balloons> I'm OK with a typo or two popping in there.. it's to be expected
[20:47] <knome> great!
[20:47] <DanChapman> balloons are you looking for fireroller to extract to /tmp aswell?
[20:47] <balloons> DanChapman,  I think it's for the best to do so
[20:47] <DanChapman> no probs already done just checking :D
[20:47] <balloons> we are making tmp files and in general we don't want to collide with anything presen
[20:47] <balloons> DanChapman, :-) perfect'
[20:51] <knome> balloons, now that you have modified some of the tests meanwhile, do you need help with making sure that the merges are fine?
[20:52] <balloons> knome, we'll see in a moment
[20:52] <balloons> I don't think so.. nothing new merged had the issue
[20:52] <balloons> I don't think :-)
[20:53] <balloons> ahh.. one conflict.. not bad :-)
[20:54] <balloons> here comes the fun part.. reviewing 85 files plus the conflict
[20:54] <knome> hehe
[20:56] <balloons> ohh found something fun.. quotes
[20:56] <knome> :)
[20:57] <balloons> did you intend to change the quote from " to ”
[20:57] <knome> no; i did the opposite on one occasion
[20:57] <knome> because i checked that test on the tracker and the quotes didn't work
[20:57] <balloons> hmm.. right
[20:58] <balloons> so I think I'll do a massive s/”/"/g
[20:58] <knome> you *can* get those funky quotes, but you'll have to do them with entities, and that an be confusing
[21:00] <balloons> hmm.. you added br tags at one point also.. probably could drop those.. I do see why you did, but the formatting doesn't require it
[21:03] <balloons> so knome, <code> works fine on the tracker? drupal tag I take it?
[21:03] <knome> mmh, yeah, must've been some kind of weird vagary ;)
[21:03] <knome> no; it's an inline html tah
[21:03] <knome> *tag
 is a block element
[21:03] <balloons> ohh really? I didn't know <code> was inline html
[21:03] <knome> thus can't/shouldn't appear where you want the text to appear... inline :)
[21:04] <balloons> :-)
[21:04] <balloons> more questions.. so what does something like this look like?

[21:04] <balloons>     <dd>To execute this test, a pre-existing ubuntu (or derivative) installation is needed</dd>
Boot up the iso using a CD/DVD or USB Key </dt>
[21:04] <balloons> a lone <dd> tag
[21:05] <knome> did i leave those there?
[21:05] <knome> generally, it's fine to have a long dd tag
[21:05] <balloons> indeed.. I've got a running list for you to look at
[21:05] <knome> *lone
[21:05] <knome> it'll be formatted just as any other dd tag
[21:05] <knome> of course, you might want to move that outside the <dl>
[21:05] <DanChapman> balloons fileroller is good to go now
[21:05] <knome> (i think it's more semantic that way)
[21:05] <balloons> knome, I agree
[21:06] <knome> i moved at least half a dozen of those out, irrc
[21:06] <knome> *iirc
[21:06] <balloons> yea, I see them now :-)
[21:06] <balloons> lol
[21:06] <balloons> the next 5 are all moved out
[21:06] <knome> yeah
[21:06] <knome> must've just missed that
[21:07] <balloons> man I love meld
[21:07] <balloons> DanChapman, excellent.. evince must be not far behind eh?
[21:08] <knome> balloons, yeah, it's not bad :)
[21:09] <balloons> ok, whew, made it through
[21:09] <balloons> so 4 to look at. You want to make the changes or should I?
[21:09] <knome> cool :)
[21:09] <knome> balloons, to whom are you talking to?
[21:09] <balloons> you knome..
[21:09] <knome> i can make the changes if me
[21:09] <knome> :)
[21:09] <knome> just tell me which
[21:09] <balloons> 304_VMWare Easy Install, " issue
[21:09] <balloons> 1413_Install (Preseed), drop br tags
[21:09] <balloons> 1445_Install Server iSCSI Root (virtualized KVM), weird pre tags
[21:10] <balloons> 1498_Upgrade (image), move lone <dd> tag to outside
[21:10] <knome> did you merge those already to the main branch?
[21:10] <balloons> no, nothing is merged
[21:10] <balloons> I merged locally
[21:10] <knome> i'd imagine it would be easier for both if you did that first
[21:10] <balloons> sorry lol.. so nothing is in trunk
[21:11] <knome> then i could just pull the latest and modify the files and do a new merge proposal
[21:11] <knome> which should have zero conflicts
[21:11] <balloons> you can update your branch
[21:11] <knome> i can do that as well if you want to go through that stuff ;)
[21:11] <balloons> and I can pull it again without issue :-)
[21:11] <knome> oki
[21:11] <knome> just a sec, i'll look at those
[21:11] <balloons> ty1
[21:11] <balloons> I won't have to re-merge everything, just those 4 bits..
[21:14] <knome> are you sure the last one was correct id?
[21:14] <knome> i don't see a lone dd tag
[21:15] <knome> also, 1498 says ubuntu (doesn't use the VARIABLEs)
[21:16] <knome> (i didn't look too closely at the content last time)
[21:18] <knome> i fixed 1498.
[21:19] <knome> balloons?
[21:20] <balloons> yes
[21:20] <balloons> ohh.. did you swap to use variables? everything look ok to you now knome ?
[21:21] <knome> yep, i switched to variables
[21:21] <knome> but 1498 didn't have  the lone dd
[21:21] <knome> are you sure you didn't mix with something else?
[21:23] <knome> i just pushed the new revision to my branch
[21:24] <DanChapman> damn! balloons no wonder those evince tests were failing for you ive just upgraded to saucy and evince has a different ui
[21:24] <balloons> LOLOLOL
[21:24] <balloons> knome, oh
[21:24] <balloons> try 1497
[21:25] <knome> hmm, no luck
[21:25]  * balloons looks
[21:26] <balloons> that's the testcase
[21:26] <balloons> maybe I was looking at it backwards
[21:26] <knome> weird, it looks fine to me
[21:26] <balloons> let's see the diff aain
[21:26] <knome> probably :)
[21:26] <knome> because i have that line outside the dl ;)
[21:26] <balloons> DanChapman, hmm.. so I guess you should update for the saucy UI
[21:27] <balloons> that's odd it breaks it
[21:27] <balloons> that's why we like introspection.. in theory breakage should be minimal if at all
[21:28] <DanChapman> yeah, well it used some of the button labels which have now gone so shouldnt take too much adjustment
[21:28] <balloons> here goes gnome
[21:28] <knome> ;]
[21:28] <balloons> now to kick off the sync to the tracker
[21:28] <knome> nice
[21:28] <Noskcaj> are there any autopilot tests that re ready for general use?
[21:29] <balloons> Noskcaj, everything in the production branch is ready
[21:29] <balloons> if you just want to see them
[21:29] <balloons> lp:ubuntu-autopilot-tests/production
[21:29] <Noskcaj> balloons, once i get my re-install done i'll start running them
[21:29] <balloons> there is/was a ppa also, but I'm not sure I'm going to revive it
[21:30] <Noskcaj> balloons, ok
[21:30] <DanChapman> im calling it a day, need to eat. Catch you tomorrow :D
[21:31] <balloons> DanChapman, have a good one mate
[21:31] <DanChapman> and you balloons :)
[21:31] <balloons> knome, sync is off.. should be all good. thanks again for the changes
[21:31] <knome> no problem
[21:31] <balloons> DanChapman, I'll review fileroller and add it to prod :-)
[21:31] <knome> just ping me if you run into problems
[21:31] <DanChapman> YAY! :D


[00:00] <daftykins> oh right, i had no idea!
[00:01] <Bashing-om> Oh not too bad .. just hardening of the ear drums - abuse in my younger days is the medical p[onion . The ringing sometimes gets on my nerves but it is all good .
[00:02] <Bashing-om> opinion*
[00:02] <daftykins> ah har
[00:03] <Bashing-om> !host
[00:04] <Bashing-om> !hosts
[00:04] <Bashing-om> !hostname
[00:06] <daftykins> hmm i never had to do that
[00:07] <daftykins> bit shocking if there's no GUI way to do it
[00:07] <Bashing-om> daftykins: release upgrade and I change it to reflect what I am booting into .
[00:08] <daftykins> oh i just mean the old and new names at the same time, i've renamed host often :D
[00:17] <Bashing-om> Me, I take the directions - never deviated to see what breaks :)
[00:19] <daftykins> think i just found out the hard way the first time, i edited /etc/hostname and rebooted - broken system
[00:19] <daftykins> fixable only from a live session :>
[00:20] <Bashing-om> And that is why I appreciate linux so . With a liveDVD it is fixable .
[00:21] <daftykins> weeeell you wouldn't lose a Windows box renaming it... :D
[00:21] <OerHeks> for 16.04 it would be hostnamectl http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/06/change-hostname-ubuntu-16-04-without-restart/
[00:22] <daftykins> oh my Tux the first line is a command to change it, then you have to edit by hand anyway... what!?
[00:22] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: True, hostnamectl , I did the old way on this install .. and it still works .
[00:43] <daftykins> it is still just 'nautilus' for the file manager in 16.04, yeah?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Looks like it : http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nautilus&searchon=names&suite=xenial-updates&section=all .
[00:48] <daftykins> hrmm thanks
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:38] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Welcome to the Dead Zone :)
[05:39] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hey mate, hahaha i joined now everything will rise from the dead :p
[05:40] <Bashing-om> Yeah for the power of positive think'n !
[05:41] <lotuspsychje> gonna switch to zesty in april, to bug it out :p
[05:42] <baizon> im gonna switch when i get my new amd cpu :)
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> baizon: what did you order mate?
[05:44] <baizon> lotuspsychje: AMD Ryzen 7 1700
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> wow nice
[05:45] <baizon> also ordered a Samsung 850 EVO yesterday :D
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> nice nice!
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> baizon: will fot in your current mobo?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> fit
[05:47] <baizon> lotuspsychje: no, also got a new mobo
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> baizon: wich brand?
[05:49] <Bashing-om> baizon: Was looking at the Ryzen yesterday - I can only drool right now .
[05:49] <baizon> lotuspsychje: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-B350M-A/
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> ooh nice
[05:51] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: U have had zesty in the test bed for a spell now .. I have seen no issues with either unity or gnome3 - AMD board on AM2 sockets (old !).
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: didnt test yet no, ill install at official and bug out heavy
[05:54] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Just in the event you get ansie .. or impatient for 17.04 - seems solid and stable to me as is now .
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the headsup
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> baizon: lol that mobo is a beast
[06:01] <baizon> ofc
[06:01] <baizon> also im building a cube :D
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> baizon: for TV purpose?
[06:04] <baizon> nope
[06:04] <baizon> want a small pc :)
[06:04] <baizon> a small "cube"
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:07] <baizon> but yeah i need 17.04 with 4.10 kernel
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: channel awake enough now :p
[06:35] <Bashing-om> See, positive think'n :)
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[06:38] <Bashing-om> Now if we just had all the solutions :)
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:48] <Bashing-om> The easy ones I can handle :)
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: sometimes its good to investigate a hard one, you even dont know, so others can read and help
[07:03] <Bashing-om> ^^ That is the only way I progress . stretch my mind sometimes !
[07:14] <ducasse> morning all
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> morning ducasse :p
[07:16] <ducasse> hi lotus, work today?
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, day off and going to familly for pie :p
[07:18] <ducasse> ooh, pie! bring some back :)
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> i will :p
[07:20] <ducasse> other plans? i'm just having a quiet day in, i think.
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: this is one we have a lot in belgium: https://koken.vtm.be/sites/koken.vtm.be/files/recipe/image/flan_bresilienne_0.jpg
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: no, it will take all day, travel by train
[07:23] <ducasse> caaake! :)
[07:24] <Bashing-om> chocolate cake .. I want mine and want to eat it too :)
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> with a nice cuppa coffee
[07:29] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Uh HuH .. coffee - hot - black and nasty !
[07:29] <ducasse> haven't had breakfast yet, too early for cake :)
[07:30] <Bashing-om> ducasse: It is Sunday .. take a sugar rush and enjoy .
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:31] <ducasse> :)
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> sugar overload
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> have a nice one guys!!
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> laterz ; )
[07:38] <ducasse> have fun lotuspsychje :)
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[08:05] <EriC^^> good morning ducasse Bashing-om
[08:06] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Great to read ya !
[08:06] <EriC^^> you as well!
[08:08] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Recovering from storm damage . but no harm to the computers besides having to reset bios .. so all is well !
[08:08] <ducasse> hi EriC^^ :)
[08:09] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: great to hear
[08:09] <EriC^^> hi ducasse :)
[08:11] <ducasse> Bashing-om: what did the storm destroy?
[08:12] <Bashing-om> 2 trees down , out building's roofs blown off and LOTS of debris .
[08:13] <ducasse> wow. i've never experienced weather like that here.
[08:14] <Bashing-om> ducasse: We got out light .. 8 tonadoes in the state .. several communitiies no longer exist .
[08:16] <ducasse> crazy stuff. that must be a really traumatic experience, losing your home and entire community like that.
[08:18] <Bashing-om> Yes indeed . BAD stuff . A small community to the west of us got blowed away - several lost lives - a few years back ,,, just as they got the town rebuilt .. got blowed away again .. happens !
[08:38] <ducasse> sleep well Bashing-om :)
[08:40] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Oh I will sleep, but leaving a problem hanging does not sleep well for me . But this now may take a lot of time to correct .
[08:41] <ducasse> i'm sure we'll get it sorted :)
[08:42] <Bashing-om> And I am done for this session and outa here - take care of the situations till I return .
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:49] <daftykins> \o
[14:49] <daftykins> oof full of Sunday roast dinner ;)
[19:04] <Bashing-om> Back .... see if I can pick up again and carry on .
[19:05] <daftykins> :D wb!
[19:06] <Bashing-om> Good to be here daftykins . Are you having fun ?
[19:07] <daftykins> yes thanks! nice sunday lunch of roast beef today with my folks and now relaxing at home :)
[19:29] <EriC^^> heya daftykins Bashing-om
[19:29] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: He's the man .. Glad again to read ya .
[19:30] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: how's it going? how
[19:30] <EriC^^> 's your day been?
[19:31] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Just getting started .. Brain farts are plauging me right now .
[19:32] <EriC^^> daftykins: we should get together some day and take your cat and my fish for a play date
[19:33] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: you have any pets?
[19:33] <daftykins> :D
[19:33] <daftykins> hiya \o
[19:33] <daftykins> EriC^^: i am not sure she would be so gentle!
[19:34] <EriC^^> :D
[19:34] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: We be pet poor .. cats, dogs, parakeets, children and grandchildren .
[19:35] <EriC^^> Bashing-om: :D
[19:35] <EriC^^> these fish are pretty funny
[19:36] <EriC^^> the red one was very timid and nervous, and very very stupid, like food would be next to him and he wouldn't see it
[19:37] <EriC^^> the other black/red one is very smart, he'll smell food behind him from across and run and eat it
[19:37] <EriC^^> now when i go to feed them, the red one misses eating the food, the black one eats it, then it keeps head butting it and chasing it around
[19:39] <EriC^^> the black one stays at the surface most of the time with its mouth open wanting to eat more food, it never ever stops and will eat anything, the red one seems to like egg yolks the most
[19:40] <EriC^^> it chases the black one around head butting it most of the time if i approach them :D
[19:46] <Bashing-om> male and female fishes ?
[19:46] <EriC^^> i think the red one is male for sure
[19:47] <EriC^^> i was thinking maybe it's the breeding season that's why he's chasing the black around
[19:47] <EriC^^> but he only seems to do it once i feed them, then he stops
[19:47] <EriC^^> sometimes the black will screw with him and head butt him too, but pretty rarely
[19:48] <EriC^^> they're pretty tiny fish, like 4inches maybe
[19:50] <Bashing-om> We too at one time had aquariums . The fish are pretty , but keeping up the aquariums is a pain .
[19:51] <EriC^^> yeah, i want to get a 100L aquarium and a filter so i change the water like once a week or so
[19:52] <EriC^^> the good thing about these fish is that if you dont feed them they can last for 3 weeks without food
[19:52] <EriC^^> and they eat almost anything, cucumbers carrots peas egg yolks strawberries meat etc
[19:54] <EriC^^> the water changes are a pain though
[19:54] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: In home garbage disposal :)
[19:54] <EriC^^> i'm changing in the morning and now i should change after feeding them yolk cause it ruined the water a little but i'm a little lazy
[19:57] <EriC^^> a dog would be awesome
[19:58] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Changing the water out is a hassel , We have lost fish not doing it properly . Allowing the fresh water to get to room temperature before dumpting the fish back in :(
[19:58] <EriC^^> oh
[19:58] <EriC^^> yeah it sucks how sensitive they are
[19:59] <EriC^^> it's kind of hilarious, i heard one fish died from loud noises
[20:00] <EriC^^> when i put them on the balcony, i put them one day there to get sun, the next day i put them there, and they were like transformed
[20:00] <EriC^^> they grouped together very closely in the far extremities, and if i came to their side, they're go nuts and swim to the other sides, like they were super paranoid
[20:00] <EriC^^> when i brought them back in the house they were fine again
[20:01] <EriC^^> our new neighbors are a little loud i guess
[20:01] <daftykins> o0
[20:01] <daftykins> curious creatures
[20:02] <EriC^^> yeah, i was reading online about this guy, who had his goldfish for like 4 years, and his gf chopped a chicken next to it, next day it was dead
[20:02] <Bashing-om> it's them negative vibes . fish are perceptive, huh ?
[20:02] <EriC^^> and he was like triggered at his gf, *you killed my fish!  What I dislike is scalling them while alive .
[20:08] <daftykins> scaling whilst alive?  // Ice pick to the eye ?
[20:14] <EriC^^> also some vodka will kill them easily
[20:14] <EriC^^> yup
[20:15] <EriC^^> i was almost about to euthanise mine
[20:15] <EriC^^> i was pretty worried about them having salmonella or something, my grandma has a weak immune system cause she's older
[20:15] <Bashing-om> picked up the wrong bottle ?
[20:15] <EriC^^> nah i read about it online, wikihow :D
[20:16] <daftykins> hrmm not sure that sick fish in a bowl could risk anyone outside of the water? unless your grandma drank from it...
[20:16] <EriC^^> well she feeds them sometimes
[20:16] <EriC^^> last week i woke up and there was 2 huge pieces of toast
[20:16] <EriC^^> i was like a smaller version of the guy and his gf
[20:17] <EriC^^> what did you dooooo
[20:17] <EriC^^> lol
[20:17] <daftykins> O_O
[20:17] <EriC^^> i had them fast for 3 days cause they had swollen stomachs and swam funny, they're good now
[20:17] <daftykins> that would've been a long meal!
[20:18] <EriC^^> lol they had been eating all day :D
[20:18] <EriC^^> it was like a free buffet for them
[20:18] <daftykins> "all you can eat 'til you can swim no more!"
 He has been at this for days .. and keeps NOT following directions . I just do not have that magic pill to make it all better . I will not - I will not loose patience .. I will not loose patience , ( I too was once new and lost ) .


[17:00] <teward> is there an issue with Launchpad and subscribing individuals to bugs?
[17:00] <teward> getting some odd issues when i try to (timeouts, infinite spinning circle, actually had timeouts trying to see the subscriptions list too...)
[17:34] <cjwatson> teward: possibly one of the firewalls saturating its network links ...
[17:34] <teward> possibly.  looks resolved now, but that was a weird occurrence :/
[17:34] <cjwatson> possibly> I say that based on network graphs.  haven't worked out a root cause
[17:35] <teward> ok
[17:35] <cjwatson> it's not resolved but has subsided a bit
[17:35] <teward> resolved from my side, anyways :P  thanks for the info though
[17:36] <teward> should I just expect some weirdness then?
[17:36] <cjwatson> there was a spike yesterday at around a similar time
[17:46] <cjwatson> teward: reporting what looks like a pattern of timeouts is generally sensible, we can take it from there
[17:47] <cjwatson> working with sysadmins
[18:03] <HeOS> Hello! I have a weird error with adding a new comment to a bug. Popup windows advises me to contact a sysadmin.
[18:06] <cjwatson> HeOS: yes, see above
[18:07] <HeOS> cjwatson, thanks. :)
[18:34] <dpm> cjwatson, I'm getting quite a lot of timeout errors again in translations recently (e.g. OOPS-87f9553cee395c5625eac5319b4dc43b), is this a known issue?


[07:10] <Mirv> are the "Device" or "Messages" in HUD translated for some, or is it a bug in Unity that they are untranslatable?
[07:14] <Mirv> I did some Unity testing and noticed those among else, although those were not directly relevant to the test cases
[08:31] <jincreator> Hi. How can I translate Unity menu of Firefox? I fail to find link in Launchpad.
[12:52] <kelemengabor> dpm: hi, got a few minutes?
[12:52] <dpm> kelemengabor, sure
[12:53] <kelemengabor> I was about to look into priorities, browsed the +templates page, and found (don't ask how :P) that we have active templates for koffice, yet there is no such package anymore: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice
[12:53] <kelemengabor> which leads me to the actual question
[12:54] <kelemengabor> could you fetch me a report about the "problematic" templates?
[12:54] <kelemengabor> before I set the priorities of some obsolete templates ;)
[12:56] <dpm> hm, unfortunately, I'm not sure I can help right now. The report is only created when building a language pack, and I don't have much time right now to create one. I wouldn't worry too much about setting obsolete priorities if you're using the script.
[13:00] <dpm> I'm back in a bit
[13:04] <kelemengabor> okay, I can live with that :)
[13:04] <kelemengabor> anyways, I'm disabling koffice now
[13:24] <dpm> ok, thanks :)
[15:05] <TLE> dpm: hey
[15:05] <TLE> and others: hey all
[15:05] <TLE> I'm working in the list of suggestions for high priority translation tasks for the jam
[15:06] <TLE> these should be either the default programs for popular tasks or programs for crucial tasks that many users will see at least once, like the installer
[15:06] <TLE> the list needs not be complete, as these are just a few suggestions to get people started
[15:07] <TLE> right now the list includes: (sorry for pasting)
[15:07] <TLE>  * Rhythmbox
[15:07] <TLE>  * Empathy
[15:07] <TLE>  * Gwibber
[15:07] <TLE>  * Shotwell
[15:07] <TLE>  * Nautilus
[15:07] <TLE>  * Ubuntu One
[15:07] <TLE>  * Unity (including indicators/lenses)
[15:07] <TLE>  * Software center
[15:07] <TLE>  * Ubiquity (including the slideshow)
[15:07] <TLE> Does that look about right?
[15:07] <TLE> is shotwell the default program for images?
[15:08] <TLE> Is its actually gwibber we use as part of the standard desktop or is it something else
[15:10] <TLE> kelemengabor1: ^^
[15:10] <dpm> hi TLE
[15:10] <kelemengabor1> TLE: looks good
[15:11] <kelemengabor1> maybe you could include the indicators
[15:11] <kelemengabor1> they are now all at the top of the list
[15:11] <dpm> and unity lenses
[15:11] <dpm> oh, sorry, they're already there
[15:11] <kelemengabor1> maybe activity-log-manager too, that's a new panel in gnome-c-c
[15:12] <kelemengabor1> deja-dup? that's another Ubuntu-specific thingy in gnome-c-c
[15:12] <TLE> yeah, maybe it is not correct that I have put the indicators under Unity
[15:13] <TLE> kelemengabor1: we don't necessarily need total coverage, but yeah maybe deja-dup is a good idea
[15:13] <TLE> backup is after all something everyone should do *G*
[15:14] <kelemengabor1> !
[15:14] <TLE> how is it, the indicators are tied in with unity right
[15:17] <TLE> dpm: If I send a draft for you will you add something about how to send in localized doc images and a link for the viewer?
[15:17] <TLE> and send it back to me
[15:18] <kelemengabor1> TLE: indicators are part of the unity UX, but they are separate templates/processes - if this is what you mean
[15:18] <TLE> kelemengabor1: yes
[15:19] <dpm> TLE, sure
[15:20] <TLE> greeeaat stuf
[15:30] <dpm> :)
[15:30] <TLE> dpm: sent, have to go now, it would be great if you have time for it before tomorrow morning, so we can have the email (social media posts) out about noon of early afternoon tomorrow
[15:31] <dpm> TLE, I will, but not until in ~2h time. But I've added it to my JFDI liet :)
[15:31] <dpm> *list
[15:32] <TLE> not a problem, I'll be punching people for the next couple of hours ;)   JFDI?
[15:33] <dpm> Just *effing* Do It
[15:34] <dpm> as in "I'll do it even if there is no time for it" :)
[15:38] <TLE> ah *G* I see
[15:38] <TLE> se you guys