 I was really sick and couldn't do much/sleep much
[08:10] <Laney> oh man
[08:11] <Laney> better now?
[08:11] <didrocks> yeah, way better, hopefully, thanks! :)
[08:11] <didrocks> I can at least walk :p
[08:11] <Trevinho> Morning...
[08:11] <oSoMoN> I'm good, had a good week-end except for that near-death experience in Ikea on Saturday morning, I barely survived
[08:12] <oSoMoN> hey Trevinho
[08:12] <Trevinho> Hi oSoMoN
[08:12] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, has the hackfest started?
[08:12] <seb128> Laney, yeah, excellent week off, lot of walking around or sitting/relaxing in the nice weather :)
[08:12] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:13] <Trevinho> seb128: hiii, had a good week off?
[08:13] <Laney> oSoMoN: under a pile of wardrobes?
[08:13] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: nope... In an hour
[08:13] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, very good indeed!
[08:13] <Laney> Trevinho has brought italian culture to the UK
[08:13] <oSoMoN> Laney, too much furniture, and too many people
[08:13] <Laney> 10am starts!
[08:14] <didrocks> Laney: could be worse, Spanish one :)
[08:14]  * didrocks almost wrote "snapish"
[08:15] <Trevinho> Laney: no, there's no need... Thank God Spanish guys are here :-)
[08:15] <didrocks> that's why 10am, you have found a middle ground between UK and Spanish :)
[08:16] <oSoMoN> Spaniards would start at 10 and go for breakfast at 10:15
[08:16] <didrocks> roh :p
[08:19] <seb128> oh, hackfest, that's why Trevinho is up, now it explains! :)
[08:20] <seb128> Trevinho, is there an agenda for the hackfest btw?
[08:20] <didrocks> roh ^2
[08:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah in the wiki, but not defined yet
[08:20] <Trevinho> seb128: also fill up the guadec doc for booking
[08:21] <seb128> Trevinho, I need to catch up on those discussions, I'm all still unsure how long I'm staying, I need to look at the conf schedule (if it's available yet)
[08:22] <didrocks> seb128: it's not yet
[08:23] <seb128> typical GNOME :
[08:23] <seb128> :/
[08:23] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, try to do it asap as they said me to be quick in finalizing the booking
[08:23] <didrocks> seb128: well, voting finished on Monday, delayed due to some delayed requests :p
[08:23] <seb128> Trevinho, who is "they"? we don't use the travel agent this time?
[08:24] <seb128> didrocks, I see
[08:25] <Trevinho> seb128: clan can pay for it, while I'm your travel agent :-D
[08:25] <andyrock> what's the raccomended way to get the ubuntu codename in C?
[08:25] <seb128> Trevinho, k, I guess I just need to read that backlog, I just glanced over it and it seemed lot of IM-bla :p
[08:26] <seb128> hey andyrock
[08:29] <Laney> hey andyrock
[08:29] <Laney> what for?
[08:29] <andyrock> hey Laney seb128
[08:29] <andyrock> we need to hide the canonical-livepatch page in gnome-initial-setup if the distro is not bionic
[08:29] <andyrock> because livepatch it's not supported in non-lts
[08:30] <seb128> livepatch doesn't give you an api to check supported or not?
[08:30] <Laney> oh right
[08:30] <Laney> wouldn't it be better for livepatch to tell you that?
[08:30] <Laney> ha
[08:31] <andyrock> livepatch does not have such API
[08:31] <andyrock> also we would need to install livepatch before to ask
[08:31] <seb128> we should request them to add one :)
[08:31] <seb128> good point
[08:32] <seb128> back to your question, I'm not sure what's the best way to check you are on bionic from C, maybe parsing /etc/os-release?
[08:32] <andyrock> it would be a good idea to had a snap api
[08:33] <seb128> right
[08:33] <andyrock> I'll ask the snap team
[08:42] <didrocks> I wonder if the snap shouldn't be published in the "bionic" channels
[08:42] <didrocks> and not master thus
[08:42] <didrocks> as it doesn't work everywhere
[08:42] <didrocks> and then, you "just" request if the snap is available for you
[08:44] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I was wondering about that
[08:45] <seb128> but do we have per serie channels?
[08:45] <didrocks> I'm pretty sure that exists. However, I don't know if that's just a convention or it's something bundled
[08:45] <seb128> or do you mean the same we are using for pre-seeded snaps?
[08:45] <seb128> yeah, I don't know how "standard" it is
[08:45] <didrocks> this is what replace "latest" in the track name
[08:45] <didrocks> you have latest/stable/branch-name
[08:46] <didrocks> here, it's release/stable/branch-name for instance
[08:46] <didrocks> I think you have to request for them to open it thouh
[08:46] <didrocks> though
[08:46] <seb128> in any case sounds like something for the snap/livepatch team to solve
[08:46] <didrocks> but that's one year old memory, do not trust me too much :)
[08:46] <didrocks> yeah
[08:46] <seb128> it doesn't make sense to install that snap on bionic
[08:46] <seb128> even from the cli
[08:46] <didrocks> I guess it's something for them to consider
[08:46] <didrocks> you meant on non bionic?
[08:47] <seb128> I meant on cosmic
[08:47] <didrocks> yeah
[08:47] <seb128> I still need to get used to type that one :p
[08:47]  * didrocks has a name for a blog post series
[08:47] <didrocks> "opening the cosmic gate" :)
[08:48] <didrocks> but yeah, basically on non supported distro, you shouldn't be able to install the snap
[08:49] <didrocks> (and then, I'll steal what they do and the transition path from latest to that track for communitheme snap, lalalala)
[08:53] <seb128> (changing location, brb)
[09:10] <willcooke> Trevinho, re: GS Connect.  You said about starting a thread on the hub.  Good idea.  Since you're busy this week, would you like me to start one - or are you happy to wait until you're back to normal working mode?
[09:36] <ads20000> currently there's no way to remove a snap from someone's system, though I suspect the recent miningware incident could change that, perhaps by setting a precedent of refreshing to dummy packages, we'll see... Also maybe the livepatch snap could remain installed but it just won't do anything on non-LTS releases? Though then it is wasting data by refreshing needlessly...
[09:59] <didrocks> I guess not being able to install is the best API for both users not thinking they get it activated and for andyrock to know if LP is available or not
[10:29] <Trevinho> willcooke: it's fine if you start that, no worries
[10:30] <willcooke> Trevinho, will do
[10:30] <Trevinho> thanks
[10:42]  * Laney just got blinded
[10:43] <Laney> the sun crossed some threshold and started reflecting off some glossy paint directly into my eyes
[10:43] <Laney> actually can't see the whole screen
[10:43] <Laney> stupid daystar, turn it off please
[10:43] <ogra_> just take a 12h break and it solves itself :)
[10:44] <Laney> then i'll be in da club partying it up 💃💃💃💃💃💃
[10:44] <Laney> (🛏)
[10:46] <andyrock> daystar lol
[10:48] <seb128> oSoMoN, you are sure you are using the snap for g-s-m? I don't think we/security allowed the opening of help: URIs, or did that change?
[10:48] <seb128> I've a few snaps that hit "user-open error: Supplied URL scheme "help" is not allowed"
[10:48] <seb128> (that's in the journal)
[10:48] <willcooke> Trevinho, done https://community.ubuntu.com/t/gs-connect-as-part-of-18-10/5903
[10:49] <oSoMoN> seb128, d'oh, I wasn't, obviously
[10:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, k
[10:50] <oSoMoN> I'll edit my post
[10:50] <oSoMoN> is there some markup to strike through text
[10:51] <Laney> oSoMoN: ~~ usually
[10:51] <Laney> dunno about discourse tho
[10:52] <oSoMoN> [s] and [/s] (opening and closing tags) in discourse, apparently
[11:50] <oSoMoN> no more chromium updates on trusty: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/chromium-updates-on-trusty/5905
[11:54] <Laney> ⚰
[13:28] <kenvandine> firefox 60 is in the stable channel
[13:28] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:33] <willcooke> yay
[13:35] <willcooke> oSoMoN, good post, thanks
[13:40] <oSoMoN> cheers
[13:40] <sergiusens> \o/
[13:40] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, speaking of which, can you confirm what I'm seeing with flash? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/how-do-you-enable-flash-plugin-on-firefox-snap/5376
[13:42] <oSoMoN> gotta go pick up daughter from school, bbiab
[13:58] <jbicha> seb128: hi, could you subscribe the bugs team to tracker-miners and libcue? bug 1770877 bug 1770871
[13:59] <jbicha> also, except for the patch rename, are these changes fine for bionic? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/1:3.28.1-0ubuntu2
[14:00] <seb128> hey jbicha
[14:02] <seb128> jbicha, looks fine, if you do a SRU can you include the fix for bug #1759468 (https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/merge_requests/40)
[14:03] <ubot5-ng> seb128: Error: GNOME: Impossible to get infos for GNOME/gnome-control-center issue (Merge request) 40: 'dict' object has no attribute 'username'
[14:05] <jbicha> ok, I didn't see that one, also I was going to see if the commit mentioned on LP: #1766799 fixes our bug too
[14:09] <seb128> jbicha, thanks, yeah that one was also on my list
[14:12] <seb128> jbicha, "    - Drop now unnecessary fonts-ubuntu dependency" ... SRU team doesn't like such change without a bug reference, so best to drop the change or create a bug
[14:13] <jbicha> I've got a bug LP: #1770473 but maybe I'll mention the bug number twice or reformat the changelog :)
[14:13] <seb128> well I guess that's part of the first snippet
[14:13] <seb128> but the changelog doesn't make that obvious
[14:13] <seb128> right
[14:14] <jbicha> mentioning the bug number twice wouldn't hurt if it makes things more clear :)
[14:14] <seb128> right
[14:51] <jbicha> seb128: could you also look at bug 1770146? I guess we should be the subscriber there too (it's replacing libappindicator in main, maybe universe too this cycle)
[14:55] <seb128> jbicha, I don't think desktop team has any interest is signing to maintain that stack
[14:56] <seb128> what's the status of having the flavors that use indicators to switch to the ayatana variant?
[15:10] <jbicha> seb128: if the Desktop team won't be the bug subscriber, who will? we do use that library for our main apps that use the GNOME Shell appindicator extension
[15:12] <jbicha> Ubuntu MATE is the primary other user of appindicators, but MIR rules want a Canonical-ish team, right?
[15:12] <seb128> do we? what apps got transitioned?
[15:12] <seb128> well, I want to see other flavors starting using those first before we talk about MIR
[15:12] <jbicha> there are 5 main apps listed in https://wiki.debian.org/Ayatana/IndicatorsTransition#Packages_in_Ubuntu_main_that_need_to_be_ported_a.s.a.p.
[15:12] <seb128> I don't especially agree that the libayatana version is better maintained/tested enough
[15:13] <jbicha> all are waiting in cosmic-proposed for the MIR to be approved
[15:13] <seb128> shrug
[15:13] <seb128> that's doing thing reverse
[15:13] <seb128> also is there a transition plan for the gnome-shell extension? can it talk to apps using both libs at the same time?.
[15:14] <jbicha> I don't know, sometimes people want the packages to show up in component-mismatches to prioritize handling the MIR or something 🤷
[15:14] <seb128> that's not the documented process on the MIR wiki reference
[15:14] <jbicha> last cycle, I was told to do that for some of the MIRs
[15:14] <seb128> I mentioned it to dok_o and slangasek agrees with me
[15:15] <seb128> dok_o is not respecting the process
[15:15] <seb128> (I assume he's the one that asked you that)
[15:15] <seb128> anyway I'm not +1ing that MIR on hand waiving
[15:15] <seb128> ideally that stack would get more testing before we consider that change
[15:15] <jbicha> Locutus did the work for this transition
[15:16] <seb128> right, it doesn't give us any assurance the new codebase isn't crap
[15:16] <seb128> it happens that some people are eager to transition to new things even if they are less good and completly untested
[15:16] <seb128> (I'm not saying in the case there, but I don't know)
[15:16] <jbicha> my understanding is that libayatana-appindicator uses the same D-Bus name as libappindicator and the GNOME Shell extension just displays the stuff so it works just fine with either the Ayatana version or the classic Ubuntu version
[15:17] <jbicha> but I don't have a very deep understanding of indicators at all
[15:17] <seb128> my understanding is that they changed the namespace
[15:17] <seb128> I argued a lot over email with the libayatana maintainer about that
[15:17] <jbicha> I thought so too, but it seems to work right now
[15:17] <seb128> imho that was a stupid thing they did
[15:17] <seb128> maybe they fixed it
[15:18] <seb128> anyway, I'm adding to my queeue
[15:18] <jbicha> I agree with you that the namechange is annoying and even now, they could easily switch to the old library name that apps already use
[15:18] <seb128> but not subscribing us/giving a +1 before we have a proper look
[15:18] <seb128> thanks for pointing it out!
[15:18] <jbicha> I guess part of the complication was that sun_weaver didn't want it to be bound to the CLA
[15:20] <jbicha> and that's a Canonical thing, not much I can do there :)
[15:40] <oSoMoN> chrisccoulson, there's a minor chromium update ready for publication in the stage PPA: 66.0.3359.170 (fixes 3 CVEs)
[15:52] <oSoMoN> Laney, do you know why an octave-interval autopkgtest regression is blocking the migration of chromium-browser? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/o/octave-interval/cosmic/amd64 . I'm not sure where that dependency comes from…
[15:53] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, thanks for confirming the firefox flash issue, I'll file a bug
[15:57] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, maybe it's a gtk version mismatch
[15:57] <kenvandine> since that flash plugin was probably built against a much older gtk
[15:57] <kenvandine> than firefox
[15:58] <oSoMoN> could be, yeah
[15:58] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, but it's working with the deb version of firefox
[15:58] <oSoMoN> which was built against a recent gtk
[15:59] <kenvandine> interesting
[16:00] <kenvandine> the firefox snap is built against the 16.04 gtk
[16:00] <kenvandine> maybe the opposite problem
[16:01] <Laney> oSoMoN: via www-browser in some way probably
[16:02] <oSoMoN> mmm, octave-interval-doc depends on w3m | www-browser, could it be what creates that dependency chain?
[16:03] <oSoMoN> if so that doesn't look right, it's just a doc package that bundles html files
[16:03] <Laney> it depends on something, that means and update to that something could break it
[16:03] <Laney> s/and/an/
[16:04] <oSoMoN> Laney, I understand the logic, but then all doc packages in the archive could depend on www-browser, and every single update would trigger an autopkgtest run of chromium-browser
[16:05] <oSoMoN> that seems like a waste of resources
[16:05] <Laney> it's the other way around
[16:05] <Laney> and clearly you don't see a million tests running there, so it is not that
[16:06] <oSoMoN> right, it's the other way around indeed, so maybe it's just octave declaring that dependency on a browser for its doc package, and it shouldn't?
[16:06] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, I'll check with the firefox deb in a xenial VM
[16:10] <oSoMoN> it works there, maybe I need to unpack the so from the xenial package to get it working
[16:12] <jbicha> html -doc packages shouldn't depend on (or even recommend) a web browser IMO
[16:12] <oSoMoN> I agree
[16:15] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, flash content corrupted when rendered in snap with flash plugin extracted from xenial deb, most likely because the version of gtk on xenial doesn't match the one in the gnome-3-26 PPA
[16:18] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1461363
[16:27] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, the firefox snap doesn't build against the PPA
[16:27] <kenvandine> it's against xenial proper
[16:29] <Laney> oSoMoN: that actually needed an update of autodep8; done, please retry all except for armhf which I used to test
[16:29] <Laney> also
[16:29] <oSoMoN> Laney, thanks
[16:29] <Laney> did you guys figure out that segfault problem with the desktop launcher?
[16:30] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, weird, because the firefox deb in xenial renders flash content fine, but the snap doesn't (using the flash plugin lib extracted from the xenial package)
[16:33] <kenvandine> Laney, i don't think so
[16:35] <Laney> blast
[16:35] <Laney> was hoping to hear the cool reason
[16:36] <kenvandine> Laney, in theory your reference to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 should actually be coming from core not your host system
[16:36] <kenvandine> unless that's not true for classic snaps
[16:36] <kenvandine> but i think it should be true
[16:36] <Laney> it does
[16:36] <Laney> you can check that with ldd
[16:37] <kenvandine> it does come from core right?
[16:37] <Laney> yep
[16:37] <Laney> but then you can preload the host one to make it use that and it starts working
[16:37] <Laney> which is weird but I didn't try anything more than that
[16:37] <kenvandine> very weird
[16:37] <kenvandine> and concerning
[16:38] <Laney> that's just running the thing from /snap directly on my system btw
[16:38] <kenvandine> ah
[16:38] <Laney> but it still segfaults like that
[16:39] <oSoMoN> jbicha, FYI https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=898646
[16:58] <oSoMoN> jbicha, that was quick: https://salsa.debian.org/pkg-octave-team/octave-interval/commit/29d526d21876ff43bfe2e939e6723c63837685c4 :)
[17:37] <oSoMoN> alrighty, I'm done for today, have a good evening / rest of the day everyone!
[18:56] <willcooke> night
[23:03] <jbicha> https://feaneron.com/2018/05/14/improving-the-development-experience-for-gnome-settings/


[04:05] <zzarr> hello!
[10:30] <ShR3K> cartel
[10:47] <tsdgeos> ltinkl: was you that fixed the wizard tests failures?
[10:47] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, yup
[10:47] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: can you show ltinkl the failure to confirm?
[10:48] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, pstolowski: fix is here fwiw https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/stabilizeFlakyWizardTest/+merge/293999
[10:49] <pstolowski> ltinkl, cool, this is the failure just to double check it's the same problem: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16473471/
[10:54] <ltinkl> pstolowski, yeah, that's it
[10:54] <pstolowski> ltinkl, great, thanks!
[11:00] <zzarr_> hello! Is Bream in here?
[11:05] <zzarr_> do anyone know what permissions that are changed in libertine after a reboot?
[11:06] <zzarr_> my libertine container don't work right now
[12:17] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i've never seen that test fail
[12:33] <Mirv> tsdgeos: you just did :)
[12:34] <Mirv> anyway, I've understood it's welcome to be noted when autopkgtests randomly fail, so therefore I filed the bug
[12:34] <tsdgeos> sure
[12:34] <tsdgeos> but if it's 1 in 100000 times it's hard to fix
[12:34] <Mirv> some of them are harder to debug (if not possible to reproduce locally) than others
[12:34] <Mirv> it's more like environment / hw specific I'd guess
[12:35] <Mirv> since unity8 tests still tend to fail on autopkgtests "all the time", although I haven't checked the other recent ones closely if they are all over or what
[12:39] <Mirv> (not really, but unity8 autopkgtests are just executed all the time in various silos so I get to see failures every week)
[13:40] <mterry> Saviq, so I saw OTA12 landings are open?  Can we start landing our extant branches?
[13:41]  * mterry will gladly help get a silo going
[13:44]  * mterry looks at channel topic -- is Ayatana still a thing?  Or is that just the whole Touch project now?
[13:46] <mterry> mzanetti ^ do you know if we wanted to start with a mega silo for ota12 or do piecemail landings?
[14:03] <Saviq> mterry, we already have a silo under qa
[14:03] <Saviq> or just about https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1381
[14:04] <mterry> Saviq, oh right, the fix bundle that didn't make it
[14:05] <mterry> But that was already in the pipelines.  I'm more curious about the ~30 branches still waiting
[14:07] <Saviq> mterry, Ayatana not a thing I don't think - maybe JohnLea knows ;)
[14:09] <Saviq> mterry, and yeah feel free to build a silo on top of ↑↑
[14:10] <mterry> Saviq, yeah?  OK, I'll try to find branches that are readyish and put them in a new silo
[14:52] <Saviq> Trevinho, hey, any idea what could've lost me global menus on... gtk3 apps? xchat-gnome still has them, but empathy or gnome-terminal no
[14:53] <Trevinho> Saviq: hey...
[14:53] <Trevinho> Saviq: for gnome terminal it could be this issue... /me looks for it
[14:54] <Trevinho> Saviq: upstart related, can you try this deb https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532226/comments/134
[14:55] <Saviq> Trevinho, trying, /me reboots
[14:55] <Trevinho> Saviq: restarting the session should be enough
[14:56] <Saviq> Trevinho, winner
[14:57] <Trevinho> cool, fix is in yakkety already... xenial will follow
[14:57] <Saviq> Trevinho, another issue, I don't have telepathy/empathy integration with the messaging indicator, ideas?
[14:57] <Trevinho> Saviq: I think it is not supported anymore or at least not much as empathy is not in the default install anymore
[14:57] <Trevinho> Saviq: but I've not much clue of that, seb128 might know more
[14:58] <Saviq> Trevinho, ;(, do we have any IM client that's supported these days?
[14:58] <Trevinho> Saviq: your browser -_-
[14:58] <Saviq> :'-(
[14:58] <Trevinho> I also loved integrated chats... but you know, they change every day
[14:59] <seb128> Saviq, Trevinho, empathy should still integrate fine with indicator-messages
[14:59] <seb128> as does pidgin
[14:59] <seb128> or xchat-gnome
[14:59] <Saviq> yeah xchat-gnome works, empathy doesn't
[15:00] <seb128> Trevinho, are we getting that menubar missing fix SRUed? any reason that needs to be in the same set that the unity landing? I would just have landed that first/standalone if it's ready
[15:00] <seb128> Saviq, do you have telepathy-indicator installed?
[15:02] <Saviq> seb128, no such package
[15:02] <Saviq> plot thickens
[15:02] <Trevinho> seb128: well, I'm not sure it's completely fixed by that actually...
[15:03] <seb128> Saviq, ?
[15:03] <Trevinho> seb128: however the upstart fix has to be landed differently... so if you can help in SRUing that...
[15:03] <seb128> Saviq, you mean it's not installed?
[15:03] <Saviq> seb128, that it doesn't exist
[15:03] <Trevinho> Should I propose a debdiff or what?
[15:03] <seb128> Saviq, it's in universe
[15:03] <seb128> Saviq, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-indicator/0.3.1+14.10.20140908-0ubuntu1
[15:03] <mterry> dandrader|afk, can you merge-from-trunk for https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity-api/removeHotspot/+merge/293627 ?   the version already bumped to 7.111 on you
[15:04] <seb128> Saviq, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-001/+build/6332121/+files/telepathy-indicator_0.3.1+14.10.20140908-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[15:04] <Saviq> seb128, right, not installed
[15:04] <Saviq> seb128, that will be it, than, thanks!
[15:04] <seb128> let me know if it works better once it's there
[15:04] <seb128> unsure if you need to restart session
[15:06] <Trevinho> seb128: as for the upstart SRU, and gnome-session too... The bug is ready, but can you or xnox push the bits to xenial?
[15:06] <Saviq> seb128, w00t, that works, thanks!
[15:07] <seb128> Saviq, great!
[15:07] <seb128> Trevinho, I would prefer if xnox would handle it, I didn't too upstart so far and would prefer to keep it this way, avoiding to make people think I'm maintaining that :p
[15:08] <Trevinho> ahah, right :-D
[15:31] <mterry> cimi, can you please rebase lp:~cimi/unity8/uitkPageHeader on lp:~mzanetti/unity8/reenable-skipped-tests ?  there is a conflict in tst_Dash.qml
[15:41] <dandrader> mterry, done
[15:41] <mterry> dandrader, thanks!
[15:42] <dandrader> mterry, also have to update the related unity8 and qtmir branches
[15:42] <mterry> dandrader, yeah ok
[15:46] <mterry> mzanetti, your unity-api stack for launcher-surfaceCount-pips conflicts with dandrader's unity-api stack for https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/animatedCursors/+merge/293628 -- dandrader was first, do you mind rebasing yours on his?
[15:47] <dandrader> mterry, done
[15:47] <cimi> mterry, sure
[15:47] <dandrader> mterry, (the anmatedCursos & friends update on lates trunks)
[15:47] <mterry> dandrader, got it
[17:25] <Saviq> Trevinho, ah, one more thing that happened to me recently on xenial - not saying it's Ubuntu's fault even, but check out what's happening with ownClound Client (Qt5 app) between my two displays https://imgur.com/a/zKtE3
[17:26] <Saviq> on the left it's a 24" 1920x1200 display, on the right it's 12" 1920x1080 laptop screen - both at scale 1x
[17:26] <Saviq> so stuff's fun!
[17:49] <mterry> dandrader, DragHandleAllDirections conflicts with the nodda branch
[17:50] <dandrader> mterry, it does
[17:52] <dandrader> mterry, didn't write it on top of nodda as I didn't know when we would land the latter
[17:52] <mterry> dandrader, I think we're ready to land it (after landing existing silos).  So I'd vote for landing it in the next silo, to get it out of purgatory
[17:52] <mterry> i.e. this silo 59 I'm putting together
[17:53] <dandrader> mterry, the rebase isn't trival. might not have time for it today
[17:53] <mterry> dandrader, that's fine
[17:53] <mterry> dandrader, just a heads up.  I'll just keep it out of the silo for now, with a comment
[17:58] <mterry> cimi, I don't think you merged reenable-skipped-tests right.  It deletes test_manage_dash_search_temp_scope from tst_Dash.qml, but your branch adds it back
[18:22] <cimi> mterry, I thought reenable meant we wanted the test :)
[18:22] <cimi> mterry, I'll remove it
[18:24] <cimi> mterry, removed it
[18:24] <mterry> cimi, thanks
[18:49] <mterry> cimi, I'm still seeing a conflict.  let me try to narrow down which other branch it is
[18:51] <dandrader> mterry, you're only putting unity8 branches here? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1426
[18:51] <mterry> dandrader, I'm starting with u8 branches and pulling in other branches as needed
[18:51] <mterry> dandrader, what am I missing?
[18:52] <mterry> qtmir stuff?
[18:53] <dandrader> mterry, well, if you didn't go to qtmir & unity-api yet then it's fine
[18:53] <dandrader> mterry, but https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/animatedCursors/+merge/293628 could do now as well (along with its deps)
[18:53] <mterry> dandrader, did you see my comment in the qtmir branch for that one?  It breaks jenkins as is
[18:55] <dandrader> mterry, that's greek to me, but will try to follow your advice
[18:58] <mterry> cimi, I think the uitkPageHeader issue is just some criss-cross merge nonsense...  Not sure how to get out of it except rebasing your commits
[18:58] <dandrader> mterry, ok, fixed
[18:59] <mterry> dandrader, sorry lost connection
 dandrader, did you see my comment in the qtmir branch for that one?  It breaks jenkins as is
[18:59] <mterry> cimi, I think the uitkPageHeader issue is just some criss-cross merge nonsense...  Not sure how to get out of it except rebasing your commits
[18:59] <dandrader> mterry, fixed that
[18:59] <mterry> dandrader, awesome
[19:07] <cimi> mterry, I hate bzr
[19:07] <mterry> cimi, yeah it's criss-crossing is annoying
[20:12] <bschaefer> Saviq, unity8 has the power to request a surface resize, ideally based on the geo of the maliit keyboard. Though not sure if thats *ideal* for unity8 to handle?
[20:13] <bschaefer> not sure who else should be doing it though :) since we dont want the osk to draw over the input area
[20:24] <bschaefer> greyback, you may know the answer as well ^ :)
[20:24]  * bschaefer was under the impression unity8 already does this for the phone
[20:25] <greyback> bschaefer: it doesn't request a resize, it just informs the app of the height of the osk, and the app can move its content if it needs to
[20:26] <greyback> it does have the power to do that, or move the surface up
[20:26] <bschaefer> greyback, hmm soo that qt only?
[20:26] <bschaefer> greyback, as this would be for libertine apps
[20:26] <bschaefer> xmir tsuff
[20:26] <greyback> bschaefer: yeah, only qt apps have it implemented. I dunno about other toolkits or inside libertine
[20:27] <bschaefer> right ok hmm... as right now the quickest solution seems to be to request a resize
[20:27] <bschaefer> since theres really 3 things to support qt/gtk/X11
[20:27] <bschaefer> in libertine
[20:28] <bschaefer> annnd would be annoying to support all three directly, unless we can possibly do in in the xmir event loop
[20:28] <greyback> it could be done
[20:28] <bschaefer> greyback, cool trying to figure out *what* needs to be done and how to do it with all this osk stuff :)
[20:29] <bschaefer> greyback, thanks! I can dig around to see how its done currently, then see what gtk supports
[20:29] <bschaefer> or xmir
[20:29] <greyback> ack
[21:57] <Saviq> bschaefer, I'm worried "request a resize" might not even be good enough if apps don't have a behaviour implemented to keep the focused field visible
[21:58] <Saviq> only thing it gives you, really, is that if the input field is close to the bottom of the app, you'll be able to scroll down there
[22:05] <Kristbaum> Hello, I have a problem with Libertine under Unity 8, is this the right place to ask questions?
[22:10] <Saviq> Kristbaum, best post to ubuntu-phone ML, most of the devs hanging out here are offline by now
[22:10] <Kristbaum> I'm on a Laptop ;)
[22:11] <Saviq> Kristbaum, yeah, the -phone suffix is starting to lose meaning with convergence
[22:11] <Kristbaum> :D okay thanks!
[22:13] <bschaefer> Saviq, yeah...but im not sure of a better solution atm :)
[22:13]  * bschaefer attempting to find a good solution we can implement quickly
[23:09] <bregma> just as a pojnt of information, #ubuntu-libertine is also a good place to ask questions


[01:08] <]Spectre[> hi
[01:10] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha ]Spectre[
[01:10] <MrChrisDruif> Back again for more? ^_^
[01:11] <]Spectre[> oi MrChrisDruif ,still awake ?
[01:11] <]Spectre[> ;)
[01:11] <]Spectre[> here is 2 a.m.
[01:11] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, sorry about that ;-)
[01:11] <]Spectre[> ahahah
[01:11] <MrChrisDruif> So is here, why are you up?
[01:12] <]Spectre[> because I'm waiting to talk with a friend on skype ;)
[01:12] <MrChrisDruif> Ugh! Skype...why?
[01:13] <]Spectre[> he is in south america,and I'm waiting for him..
[01:13] <]Spectre[> and you,what are you doing ?
[01:13] <MrChrisDruif> Almost off to bed
[01:14] <]Spectre[> ah,and aslo I'm enjoying my lubuntu ;)
[01:14] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear...been watching dvd's all day?
[01:14] <MrChrisDruif> In which country do you live?
[01:15] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: ahaha yes :)
[01:15] <]Spectre[> north italy MrChrisDruif
[01:15] <MrChrisDruif> ]Spectre[; btw, we've also gotten an offtopic channel ^_^
[01:15] <]Spectre[> yes..
[01:16] <]Spectre[> want to switch to the cafè channel ? ;)
[01:16] <MrChrisDruif> if you type "/join #lubuntu-offtopic"
[01:16] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, we're a bit offtopic...don't you think?
[01:16] <]Spectre[> yes,I think so
[01:16] <MrChrisDruif> Or as the /topic says "general chat"
[01:16] <]Spectre[> switched
[14:31] <]Spectre[> Hi guys :)
[14:31] <]Spectre[> is there a way to put a link on the lxde desktop ?
[14:31] <]Spectre[> thanks!
[14:31] <]Spectre[> (may be no)
[14:31] <MrChrisDruif> ]Spectre[; yes
[14:31] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif:  Hi,how are you today ? I'm fine
[14:31] <MrChrisDruif> Shortcut right?
[14:32] <]Spectre[> yes MrChrisDruif
[14:32] <MrChrisDruif> ]Spectre[; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_can_I_create_a_shortcut_on_the_Desktop
[14:32] <]Spectre[> thanks a lot
[14:33] <MrChrisDruif> You're welcome ^_^
[14:33] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: oh, I see an easy way also
[14:34] <MrChrisDruif> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ I'd also refer you to this page. It's were FAQ's are posted/linked to
[14:34] <]Spectre[> just click with the right button of the mouse on the application in the menu
[14:34] <]Spectre[> may be is a new feature ;)
[14:34] <]Spectre[> fantastic
[14:34] <]Spectre[> :D
[14:35] <]Spectre[> Lxde is made in a very smart way...
[14:35] <]Spectre[> very rational
[14:35]  * MrChrisDruif not running LXDE atm so I can't check that ^_^
[14:36] <]Spectre[> anyway,just click with the right button ,you will see "add to desktop"
[14:36] <]Spectre[> amazing
[14:36] <]Spectre[> thanks guys
[14:36] <]Spectre[> [Away]
[14:39] <MrChrisDruif> Ciao
[15:07]  * phillw quietly mutters & updates the FAQ :P
[15:12] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^ good boi ^_^
[16:46] <DanielSenat> Hej
[16:48] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha DanielSenat
[16:51] <DanielSenat> Aloha
[16:51] <DanielSenat> :)
[18:15] <smile> Please confirm that with Flash 11.1 on Lubuntu this isn't working (er zijn server problemen): http://www.speeleiland.nl/multiplayer/volleybal.php
[18:16] <ChuSiang> 想問一下 lxdm 現在的中文亂碼有解嘛？ https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6w3mNbO6WGU/TvzXKbD2vNI/AAAAAAAAIDM/uph8ODiiNhQ/s800/10.png
[18:17] <ChuSiang> 近來碰到了一個發行版本 GSDL Koha 是 base on Lubuntu .. XDD
[18:17] <smile> Chinese? :|
[18:18] <ChuSiang> yes, Chinese (zh-TW)
[18:18] <smile> simplified? (TW? )
[18:18] <smile> or traditional? :)
[18:18] <ChuSiang> traditional。
[18:19] <smile> ok :)
[18:19] <ChuSiang> GSDL Koha Digital Library | Making everything available for everyone - http://gsdlkohalive.sourceforge.net/
[18:20] <ChuSiang> I need to switch it to traditional.
[18:21] <smile> Or use English with less problems :)
[18:21] <smile> ;)
[18:21] <ChuSiang> only lxdm have problem.
[18:21] <ChuSiang> XDD
[18:22] <ChuSiang> I have do something .. Howto switch language to Chinese(zh-TW) @ GSDL Koha - Chu-Siang Lai - Picasa 網路相簿 - https://picasaweb.google.com/111358306281860242603/HowtoSwitchLanguageToChineseZhTWGSDLKoha#
[18:27] <smile> ChuSiang: in firefox and other programs? :p
[18:27] <smile> sudo language-selector i think :) or gnome-language-selector
[18:28] <ChuSiang> I try it, thank you.
[18:40] <smile> ChuSiang: and? :)
[18:41] <ChuSiang> now, I install the language package XDD
[18:42] <ChuSiang> I have installed 'language-pack-zh-hant', but It`s not 100% worked.
[18:43] <ChuSiang> maybe, the 'language-pack-zh-hant' loss lxdm :P
[18:43] <smile> yeah, maybe :)
[18:44] <smile> but if you edit the configuration files maybe you can filter out some english words :)
[18:49] <ChuSiang> I will edit /etc/fonts/, and test. XDD
[18:50] <smile> ok :)
[18:50] <smile> Who wants to help me? :)
[18:51] <smile> with this: Please confirm that with Flash 11.1 on Lubuntu this isn't working (er zijn server problemen): http://www.speeleiland.nl/multiplayer/volleybal.php
[18:51] <smile> I need to know if others have the same problem too (only valid for Lubuntu-installations)
[18:54] <ChuSiang> ya, the key is /etc/fonts/ ... XDD
[18:54] <smile> no, it are fonts :p not keys (kidding :p )
[18:55] <ChuSiang> smile: :P
[18:55] <smile> xD
[18:55] <ChuSiang> smile: "Je game wordt geladen en deze advertentie wordt automatisch gesloten."
[18:56] <ChuSiang> but I see the flash game, now.
[18:57] <smile> and you can see users?
[18:57] <smile> @ChuSiang
[18:59] <ChuSiang> smile: gastxxx ..
[18:59] <ChuSiang> I can see other users.
[18:59] <smile> ok :)
[18:59] <smile> ChuSiang: just for telling adobe about this issue
[18:59] <smile> which version of lubuntu are you using?
[18:59] <smile> :)
[19:00] <ChuSiang> smile: ubuntu 11.10
[19:00] <smile> not lubuntu?
[19:00] <ChuSiang> the gsdl koha is base on lubuntu 11.10
[19:01] <smile> and what did you use for going to that website?
[19:01] <ChuSiang> I try Ubuntu 11.10 amd64(host) and gsdlkoha(guest)
[19:01] <smile> did you do it with host? :)
[19:01] <ChuSiang> both.
[19:02] <smile> and both worked?
[19:02] <smile> :o
[19:02] <ChuSiang> yes,
[19:02] <smile> crazy world :|
[19:02] <ChuSiang> but gsdlkoha is 32 i386 edition.
[19:02] <smile> i would think lubuntu won't work and ubuntu will work
[19:03] <ChuSiang> 's/32//'
[19:03] <smile> ok, i'll just fill in a bug report :)
[19:03] <smile> thanks for your help :)
[19:03] <ChuSiang> smile: thank you, too :P
[19:03] <smile> :)
[19:29] <smile> oh, did i miss the split? :p
[19:29] <smile> xD
[19:31] <smile> Bye! :)
[19:51] <xsaidx> hello guys
[19:51] <xsaidx> anyone here
[19:52] <holstein> xsaidx: welcome.. there are many here.. feel free and ask your support question, or head to the OT for general chat :)
[19:53] <xsaidx> holstein: i dont kno why my sudoers files get modified to NOPASSWD and its not the first time tho , any idea what may caus that
[20:02] <holstein> xsaidx: not sure.. can you remember what all you have done?.. you can always try #ubuntu as welll
[20:03] <xsaidx> holstein: yeh im there
[23:58] <JWColeman> hey anyone out there, I've been trying to get a dell mini 1010 working with lubuntu, and mostly everything works, except for my capture device, I'm working with the alc269 sound card and alsamixer, I've messed with this thing for like hours and I can't seem to figure anything out, any suggestions?


[23:13] <SchrodingersScat> Codfection: you can you apt-cache to search the repos, or sites like the above, etc.
[23:13] <k1l> Prof_Birch: sorry, i dont have 1st hand experience with that tablet.
[23:13] <SchrodingersScat> *can use
[23:13] <zeny> Codfection: theoreticaly yes
[23:13] <OerHeks> Prof_Birch, so your issue is not ubuntu+uefi, but removal of old installations perhaps?
[23:13] <Codfection> SchrodingersScat, installing every app using command line can be time consuming,. just asking. what do you think about this?
[23:15] <zeny> Codfection: I would say its a problem if you are an image editor that works perfectly and everyday with the newest Adobe Package and never dealt with GNU programms. In that case, I would recommend you to learn how to do the same things you want with GIMP and Inkscape before going directly to Linux
[23:15] <SchrodingersScat> Codfection: I think it's an incredibly small fraction of the time spent on the computer.  I've been rebuilding virtual machines all day and it's just a matter of pasting in a line.
[23:15] <OerHeks> oke i switch to osx, as installing on osx isn't time consuming
[23:15] <zeny> Codfection: Otherwise, if you are not dependant on some Windows apps to live, you can totaly substitute and change your way of doing things with linux apps
[23:15] <SchrodingersScat> Codfection: and it depends on what you do for work. I would suggest having your own toolset available if you're depending on computing for a living.
[23:16] <SchrodingersScat> own/old
[23:16] <zeny> SchrodingersScat: exactly
[23:17] <Codfection> how to get the toolset ready>
[23:17] <Codfection> ?
[23:17] <Prof_Birch> OerHeks: I have a suspicion it is. thought I zeroed out the drive (dd if=/dev/zero) but when i install windows I can see a list of bootloader entries, so I wondered if there is some kind of hidden partition safe from the inexperienced
[23:18] <ZoderUck> what is the alternative for  initlog ? in ubuntu 14 ?
[23:19] <SchrodingersScat> Codfection: I just mean whatever you use now.  If you did graphic design for instance and depend on photoshop, then maybe you want to try in gimp for a while before you bin the adobe.  just an example, but idk what you do. android? c? streaming? idk how the streaming goes ;(
[23:19] <Codfection> my firefox on ubuntu
[23:19] <Codfection> failed to stream videos
[23:19] <Codfection> had to install chrome
[23:19] <Codfection> any idea how to fix it?
[23:19] <Codfection> it just shows blank screen
[23:19] <Codfection> white blank screen
[23:20] <SchrodingersScat> !info flashplugin-installer
[23:20] <SchrodingersScat> Codfection: possibly that?
[23:21] <OerHeks> known issue: drm streams work great on chrome, with build-in silverlight/moonlight binairy blob
[23:21] <k1l> yeah, chrome ships an own flash plugin already installed. and for prop. stuff like netflix you need chrome, too.
[23:21] <ipatrol> Ok, I have a machine that is probable 10 years old or so, that someone wants to put Kububtu on
[23:22] <ipatrol> *Kubuntu
[23:22] <OerHeks> bad luck if you run 32 bit, no chrome
[23:22] <OerHeks> ipatrol, 10 years, sounds like single core.. choose a lighter desktop
[23:22] <ipatrol> It's x86_64, was built for XP
[23:22] <k1l> ipatrol: what cpu is it?
[23:23] <k1l> and how much ram that got?
[23:23] <ipatrol> k1l: hold on, I have a console open via livecd, let me check
[23:24] <ipatrol> Can't get the terminal working properly either, $TERM is set to "dumb", so less and more aren
[23:24] <ipatrol> 't working correctly
[23:25] <ajnouri> Hi guys, can we open in one tmux comand multiple panes and run different │ abra0
[23:25] <ajnouri> 11.#tmux        │                 | panes in wach pane?
[23:25] <dominik> were are you from ?
[23:25] <dominik> ?
[23:25] <ajnouri> Hi guys, can we open in one tmux comand multiple panes and run different processes in each pane?
[23:26] <OerHeks> dominik, doesn't matter here, this is the ubuntu support channel.
[23:26] <Codfection> SO i NEED to install adobe flash player on firefox?
[23:26] <ipatrol> !flash
[23:26] <Pici> ajnouri: yes, that is pretty much the point of tmux
[23:26] <k1l> Codfection: if you want to watch flash videos/streams: yes.
[23:26] <Codfection> heard flash has some security issues and is discontinued
[23:26] <kittykitty> not strictly ubuntu but, i just overwrote the GPT on my windows drive while using ubuntu and then recovered it using gdisk but now the partitions show up as unformatted instead of ntfs and obviously wont boot. At least the structure is there ahah. Anyone got any ideas on fixing it?
[23:27] <ipatrol> Codfection: on linux, yeah. It's not being supported
[23:27] <ipatrol> Dunno about gnash
[23:27] <Pici> ajnouri: you can use ctrl-b (or a if thats what you've configured as your command key) and ? to get your key bindings.
[23:27] <Codfection> yea then how can I install flash player
[23:27] <OerHeks> kittykitty, fix ntfs with windows tools
[23:27] <ajnouri> Pici: I mean in one command, may be something like tmux --pane 1 "htop" --pane 3 "watch ip a"
[23:27] <Codfection> when I install chrome I dont need to install flash player. streaming just works
[23:28] <Codfection> netflix etc.
[23:28] <k1l> Codfection: i explained that already.
[23:28] <Pici> ajnouri: ah. hmm
[23:28] <kittykitty> OerHeks, im not great with windows, wtf are windows tools? :P
[23:28] <Codfection> k1l, so flash it is right?
[23:28] <ipatrol> k1l: `lscpu` gives Intel Core 2, T7200 @ 2.0GHz
[23:28] <k1l> Codfection: and netflix doesnt use flash, but drm silverlight.
[23:28] <kittykitty> OerHeks, like chkdsk from the recovery cd? I cant get into anything atm
[23:28] <OerHeks> kittykitty :-P
[23:29] <ipatrol> OerHeks: there are linux live CDs that can fix NTFS
[23:29] <Pici> ajnouri: you may want to ask #tmux
[23:29] <Codfection> k1l, I am so confused. which one to install? flash or silverlight?
[23:29] <k1l> ipatrol: ah, i had that one,too some years ago. i dont know if i would like to run a heavy desktop like kde on it these days.
[23:29] <Codfection> for firefox
[23:29] <kittykitty> ipatrol, ive tried ntfxfix and it just says it isnt an ntfs partition
[23:29] <k1l> Codfection: you can only use netflix in chrome.
[23:29] <kittykitty> *ntfsfix
[23:29] <ipatrol> Codfection: ideally, tell Netflix to stop with this fsckery
[23:29] <OerHeks> linux tools to fix ntfs, i have only bad experience with that, better use UBcd iso or simular.
[23:30] <ipatrol> I canceled my subscription because I'd had enough with them
[23:30] <kittykitty> but, it doesnt even show as ntfs, will that even work? OerHeks
[23:30] <OerHeks> kittykitty, maybe it was an EXFAT partition
[23:30] <kittykitty> OerHeks, on windows 10?
[23:30] <OerHeks> kittykitty, yes
[23:31] <kittykitty> i thought they phased that out? Started using ntfs for everything. Ill take a look
[23:31] <OerHeks> phased that ou? it is their newest filesystem :-D
[23:31] <ipatrol> kittykitty: did you try parted?
[23:31] <kittykitty> ipatrol, gparted yeah. Not the commandline one
[23:31] <ipatrol> file can also tell you the partition type, given the /dev file for it
[23:32] <kittykitty> ipatrol, /dev/sdb2: block special, useful :P
[23:32] <kittykitty> OerHeks, oh? I didnt know that!
[23:33] <ipatrol> k1l: Xubuntu or Lubuntu do you think?
[23:33] <k1l> ipatrol: yes. if its short on ram definitely Lubuntu
[23:34] <k1l> ipatrol: you could try kubuntu of course and if that is "speedy" enough for you.
[23:34] <ipatrol> k1l: well, we haven't been able to get the Kubuntu LiveCD to load
[23:35] <HermanDE> ***Just got here***  ipatrol Do you have a high speed connection?
[23:36] <ipatrol> HermanDE: relatively
[23:37] <kittykitty> ipatrol, time for testdisk?
[23:38] <kittykitty> ipatrol, file just says the partition is data
[23:38] <ipatrol> kittykitty: I gotta go, bbl
[23:39] <Codfection> richard stallman is right or linus torvalds?
[23:39] <HermanDE> Drop IPXE onto a USB and boot LBUNTU from the net.
[23:40] <HermanDE> Or use unetbootin to put the ISO onto a bootable USB.
[23:42] <kittykitty> im gonna try with a windows recovery iso
[23:42] <StingerNet> Hello
[23:43] <StingerNet> Don't know if anyone here has experienced a Kernel Soft Lockup on ubuntu 14.04 with smbd and migration.
[23:44] <StingerNet> Running Kernel 3.16.0-70 and samba 4.3.9
[23:45] <StingerNet> See this problem is quit prominent in Zentyal which is build on Ubuntu...so lots on there forum...but nobody has solved it
[23:46] <StingerNet> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#5 stuck for 22s! [migration/5:66]
[23:46] <StingerNet> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#8 stuck for 22s! [smbd:32286]
[23:46] <StingerNet> Hardware name: VMware, Inc. VMware Virtual Platform/440BX Desktop Reference Platform, BIOS 6.00 09/17/2015
[23:49] <Prof_Birch> If I am trying to make a systemd entry for ubuntu, what should the linux and initrd lines say
[23:51] <eelstrebor> i'm gonna have to rollback 2 of my machines from 16.04 to 14.04 - too many issues with 16.04 - good thing i haven't upgraded my servers yet
[23:52] <Codfection> eelstrebor, such as?
[23:52] <OerHeks> StingerNet, so it looks like a VMware issue?
[23:52] <Almaterrador> Hello everyone
[23:52] <Almaterrador> I'm new
[23:52] <Almaterrador> I am here because I need some help :(
[23:53] <Almaterrador> I've been told to run and execute
[23:53] <Ben64> Almaterrador: then you should explain your issue fully
[23:53] <Almaterrador> cat /etc/profile
[23:53] <bazhang> #vmware for that StingerNet
[23:53] <Almaterrador> for i in $(cat /etc/profile) ; do echo $i ; done
[23:53] <Almaterrador> in a terminal
[23:53] <Almaterrador> And I have no clue what that does
[23:53] <StingerNet> ok thanks
[23:55] <eelstrebor> Codfection, too many to list - might flood the channel - couple i'll mention, eyhernet adapters disappearing, openvpn no longer works, slow boot up (even with SSD)
[23:57] <Almaterrador> Uhmm
[23:57] <Almaterrador> Does anyone understand my issue here?
[23:57] <Ben64> no, because you didn't explain what the issue is at all
[23:58] <k1l> Almaterrador: that command doesnt make sense at all.
[23:58] <Almaterrador> It is a script
[23:58] <Almaterrador> in reality
[23:58] <StingerNet> Not a VMWare Problem. See its logged as a problem on Zentyal as well..but on a physical machine
[23:58] <Almaterrador>  cat /etc/profile  for i in $(cat /etc/profile) ; do echo $i ; done
[23:59] <Almaterrador> that's the whole script
[23:59] <squinty> eelstrebor, https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/    might explain eth issue
[23:59] <k1l> Almaterrador: that doesnt make any sense. what is the issue?
[23:59] <eelstrebor> sometime i have to reboot the machine for new software to work (such as clamtk)


[00:42] <micahg> fta: I'm going offline in a few minutes, so memosrv or e-mail or bug comment if there's something for me sat night
[00:42] <micahg> fta: have a great weekend!
[00:42] <fta> micahg, i'm done with natty, uploaded
[00:43] <fta> but with the freeze, i'm doomed
[00:43] <micahg> fta: no, they'll let it through unless it's on an image
[00:43] <fta> it's in the queue waiting for approval
[00:43] <micahg> yep, just needs an AA to notice it
[00:44] <fta> bug 762275
[00:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 762275 in chromium-browser "10.0.648.204 -> 10.0.648.205" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/762275
[00:44] <micahg> fta: so, for lucid/maverick, please use -v from the .133 versions or collapse the changelog
[00:45] <micahg> fta: we don't need to wait on natty for lucid/maverick
[00:45] <fta> micahg, i sincerely want to give up maintenance of those, the workflow doesn't suit me
[00:46] <micahg> fta: is there something I can do to make it easier?
[00:47] <micahg> fta: do you want me to take those over and you'll do the dev release?
[00:48] <fta> maybe that's the solution, i need to think about it
[00:48] <micahg> fta: ok, so, what are we doing for this round though
[00:50] <fta> i don't know, it's 2am, i need sleep
[00:51] <micahg> fta: ok, I'll be back around 2-3AM UTC on Sunday, feel free to leave me a message on what to do
[00:51] <fta> ok
[00:52] <micahg> fta: FYI, slangasek just accepted chromium, sleep well
[00:53] <fta> micahg, thanks, enjoy your w-e
[00:56] <micahg> fta: you too
[01:19] <jcastro> fta: I'm afraid I'm blocked on trevino finishing his exams. :-/
[14:09] <BUGabundo> howdy


[04:07] <littlegirl> I'm sorry I missed the meeting, pleia2.
[04:11] <pleia2> littlegirl: no problem
[04:11] <littlegirl> pleia2: My brain and UTC don't go together. (:
[04:11] <pleia2> meetings tend to be just sync up times anyway, we can always discuss any of the topics on the mailing list
[04:11] <pleia2> haha, I use Xubuntu and have UTC time in one of my panels :)
[04:11] <pleia2> humans are terrible at timezones
[04:12] <littlegirl> My Kubuntu has it when I hover over the time in my panel, but it's not in 24 hour mode. I'm better with words than numbers. (:
[04:12] <pleia2> and I make use of my calendar, so for important meetings it emails me 10 minutes before
[04:13] <pleia2> ah yeah, I moved to 24-hour time a few years back almost exclusively because of open source meetings
[04:13] <pleia2> my brain is so conditioned now that I have to convert 24 to 12 hour time these days (was funny when I realized that)
[04:13] <pleia2> 7pm... what is that, 1900!
[04:14] <littlegirl> Yeah, I used to be in the military. You'd think I'd remember it, but I happily forgot it and went on to pursue other (more interesting to me) things. (: (: (:
[04:14] <pleia2> hehe
[04:14] <littlegirl> I'd like to comment on some of the stuff that was discussed in the meeting if it's not too late. I read the minutes.
[04:15] <pleia2> sure
[04:16] <littlegirl> I worry when I often see so many people recommending adding things, like more wiki pages or new software to manage what already seems to be overwhelming at times because of the shortage of people or what's already working just fine. Hopefully this happens from time to time and just passes on its own. If not, I'd like to find a diplomatic way of discouraging it. (:
[04:17] <pleia2> I tend to agree, I don't want to discourage too strongly and drive folks away from good solutions, but where we stand now leveraging our existing team members to manage our existing tools more efficiently is where I'm leaning
[04:18] <littlegirl> Yeah. I think you and bkerensa were doing well with that by keeping to the topics at hand and focusing on working with what is already there, and bkerensa's idea of sending out a status message weekly (a brilliant idea, in my opinion!). (:
[04:19] <pleia2> thanks, and yeah I do love the status message idea
[04:19] <pleia2> I think a lot of people want to contribute but don't have the time to wade through lots of history or instructions, a weekly email of status and small tasks would rock
[04:19] <pleia2> "this week, we're doing grammar review, here's how: ..."
[04:19] <littlegirl> Most people (myself included) like some sort of direction rather than to be just turned loose and allowed to do whatever we like, and the status message is a great way for someone to say this, this, and this need doing. (:
[04:19] <pleia2> yeah, totally
[04:20] <littlegirl> Agreed, and the mailing list is great because we can all read it at our convenience. (:
[04:22] <littlegirl> And yeah, the explanation of how to do something that needs to be done is an awesome addition, especially since you could template grammar review instructions and use them again in future when grammar review comes up again. (:
[04:22]  * pleia2 nods
[04:26] <littlegirl> Also, and this wasn't mentioned at the meeting (but might have been if I had attended it), I'm curious why the Launchpad blueprints aren't used by all the teams? The Kubuntu documentation team uses Trello and the Ubuntu documentation team uses a Google document. Is there a flaw or flaws to the Launchpad blueprints?
[04:27] <pleia2> launchpad blueprints are good for specific tasks like "open documentation for 14.04" "put out call for contributing to 14.04 docs" and similar, less so for going through something page by page
[04:27] <pleia2> not sure why kubuntu uses trello, blueprints can be used for that, maybe it's just what their contributors prefer
[04:28] <littlegirl> I supppose that makes sense. (:
[04:34] <littlegirl> Last, but not least, I hope you guys don't mind that my contributions are a bit sporadic. Even though I sometimes am off doing other things, I will always come back and see if there's anything that needs doing. (:
[22:18] <belkinsa> Just a though, can anyone "bug" a community wiki page if they don't know how to edit it?
[22:31] <pleia2> I don't think it has a bug tracker, people typically just email the list if they want to fix something but can't log in
[22:31] <pleia2> mostly people just edit themselves though
[22:32] <belkinsa> True, true.  I don't know why this came up in my mind.
[22:33] <pleia2> looks like people do sometimes submit bugs here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bugs
[22:34] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-docs/+bug/876113 for instance
[22:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 876113 in Ubuntu Documentation "bug reporting wiki page says run "ubuntu-bug" with no arg, but it fails" [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <pleia2> I agree that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_a_general_bug_against_no_particular_package should be fixed if you're looking for something to do ;)
[22:37]  * pleia2 updates the bug
[22:37] <belkinsa> I can take this job
[22:38] <pleia2> there, updated bug with a text proposal
[22:38] <pleia2> might want to doublecheck the behavior though so we make sure it's accurate :)
[22:39] <belkinsa> Okay, I will
[22:39] <pleia2> you rock \o/
[22:39] <belkinsa> And thank you for pointing that bug out
[22:40] <pleia2> honestly all these bugs could use going through
[22:40] <belkinsa> I agree, some are outdated.


[00:11] <infinity> slangasek: Probably, yes.
[00:14] <slangasek> infinity: will you commit it or shall I?
[00:15] <slangasek> fwiw I've uploaded postgresql-common with a fix for the perl+postgresql autopkgtest regression.  I think it pans out to have been a regression in postgresql-common itself, and only the -proposed version of pgsql-common satisfies the test deps coherently
[00:15] <slangasek> so once that settles we should be able to retry all those tests
[00:15] <infinity> slangasek: I'll do it now.
[00:16] <slangasek> infinity: k
[00:19] <infinity> slangasek: Done.
[00:20] <slangasek> oh, cpaelzer apparently already submitted a bug against postgresql-common in Debian, but did not get a fix uploaded; sigh
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[05:27] <tsimonq2> yay, abiword!
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[08:00] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, can I copy the qt stuff from 2819?
[08:04] <LocutusOfBorg> Laney, I tried to update ben on transition tracker
[08:04] <LocutusOfBorg> please let me know if anything break
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg> libpng1.6 can migrate if you ignore libreoffice/1:5.3.4-0ubuntu1 on s390x
[08:37] <LocutusOfBorg> I'll copy from 2819 once everything is built https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2819/+packages
[08:42] <acheronuk> oooooh :) ^^^
[08:43] <LocutusOfBorg> (unless somebody shouts at me, with gcc switching this is the best timing)
[08:44] <tsimonq2> I'm pretty happy too, acheronuk :)
[08:45]  * acheronuk whispers.....
[08:45] <tsimonq2> lol
[09:16] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm can anybody please point me at ben global.conf file? I think we are missing the base-url keyword inside it and this makes the link in "transitions" page broken
[09:17] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure how you call the ben instance on the server
[09:17] <LocutusOfBorg> (if somebody can try the new ben, just to be sure everything is ok would be nice)
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[13:11] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm pushing that button
[14:34] <acheronuk> button pushing 'failed'
[15:50] <doko> what's wrong with the matching of the package name in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/libgfortran.html ?
[16:43] <tsimonq2> Someone with knowledge of the CI train, can someone land a ticket if there's packages that are ftbfs on arches but that's expected?
[16:43] <tsimonq2> LocutusOfBorg tried landing 2819 but that's blocking it...
[16:44] <tsimonq2> Oh
[16:44] <tsimonq2> Wait nvm
[16:44] <tsimonq2> Ignore me :)
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[17:49] <tsimonq2> Nevermind on my nevermind. I'm making up my mind. ;)
[17:49] <tsimonq2> On ticket 2819, in this build log, qtwebengine is expected to be FTBFS: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/2819/publish/6/info/
[17:50] <tsimonq2> How would we go about removing those builds or at least overriding it? I can't find docs on how to do this anywhere...
[20:53] <slangasek> doko: do you maybe want to hold off on the no-change rebuilds for dropping python3.5 until things are migratable?
[20:53] <doko> slangasek: too late, they are done, and most of them already migrated
[20:53] <slangasek> heh
[20:54] <slangasek> well, the amd64 autopkgtest queue is starving the i386 autopkgtest queue (again, as usual)
[20:55] <slangasek> and as I was telling mwhudson, we can't really trigger retries of tests that have gone missing while there's a backlog, without making the backlog worse
[20:55] <slangasek> (maybe both of these bugs need to be prioritized)
[20:56] <doko> maybe we should stop the import for a few days? but then you won't get the gcc-7 fixes either
[20:57] <slangasek> looking at the queue, it's mostly not the importer right now
[21:13] <Laney> why are tests going missing?
[22:18] <doko> I think I call it a day.I'll pester people tomorrow to get binutils/gcc migrated ...


[20:06] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/Vhbgk.png
[20:06] <paultag> by request of alpacahearder
[20:10] <Unit193> Almost matches this http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/map/user
[20:13] <paultag> Unit193: same data, I think
[20:13] <Unit193> You've got one in Lima though
[20:14] <paultag> Unit193: we have one in Lima, I'm sure
[20:14] <paultag> I'm pulling data as me, so it might be otherwise private
[20:14] <Unit193> paultag: Yeah, tnseditor. But that's not on the member map :P
[20:15] <paultag> Unit193: he might have it marked as private


[01:54] <cyberanger> chris4585: I bit the bullet and did it from scratch with debootstrap
[02:05] <vychune> o/
[04:04] <chris4585> cyberanger, yeah?
[04:04] <chris4585> I like it from debootstrap better
[13:08] <wrst> morning cyberanger
[16:26] <kd4zay> morning all
[16:46] <wrst> kd4zay: morning
[16:52] <vychune> o/
[18:24] <kd4zay> cyberanger: how do you guys handle your linux backups? I looking for a way to take snapshots of the system while mounted.  deshavu!
[18:37] <Juzzy> lvm can
[18:38] <Juzzy> how many linux boxes?
[19:34] <chris4585> kd4zay, my favorite method of backing up http://paste.ubuntu.com/609655/
[20:00] <Xpistos> what are you backing up with that>
[20:01] <Juzzy> heh
[20:01] <Juzzy> everything apperently
[20:30] <kd4zay> I have about 8 linux boxes
[20:35] <kd4zay> chris4585: so if i was to need to do a full metal restore i would need to: manually create the partitions ,restore the backup, chroot from the bootup media mount dev and proc then run grub to reinstall the mbr ?
[20:41] <kd4zay> juzzy: lvm was not install on these server originally
[21:05] <cyberanger> hey wrst
[21:06] <cyberanger> kd4zay: we've not done frozen snapshots, becuase the system was mounted
[21:06] <cyberanger> in the past, we've umounted /boot
[21:06] <cyberanger> then rsync'd it
[21:06] <cyberanger> then do the same, but without unmounting it
[21:07] <cyberanger> ignoring a directory here and there
[21:07] <kd4zay> i see
[21:07] <cyberanger> not a full backup, exactly, but the directories we ignored are the stuff that is created on the fly
[21:08] <cyberanger>  /proc for example
[21:08] <kd4zay> dev proc
[21:08] <cyberanger>  /dev too, yep
[21:08] <kd4zay> sys
[21:09] <cyberanger> um, not sure on that one
[21:09] <kd4zay> though rsync would only keep one copy synced correct?
[21:10] <cyberanger> there was little that one machine did, /mirror and /etc were about all that was tweaked from stock
[21:10] <cyberanger> apache and ssh added
[21:10] <cyberanger> that is true, if you keep using the same destnation or don't back that up
[21:11] <cyberanger> once rsync got the data off the mirror, we could tarball it, we did tarball /boot and /etc for sure
[21:11] <cyberanger>  /home was pretty useless in this case
[21:12] <cyberanger> thing about the mirror, only the most recent data was worth anything
[21:13] <kd4zay> i have a hylafax server / a mailarchiva box / snort / and a few others that im trying to come up with a way to manage all the backups for all or anyone but be able to do baremetal recovery
[21:13] <cyberanger> so "rsync -avPe ssh exampleuser@exampledomain:/mirror /backup/mirror1 && cp /backup/mirror1 /backup/mirror2"
[21:15] <cyberanger> then we allways have a fairly recent bit of /mirror, and if that had an issue, it'd be on one of two sets, if both sets failed, a bigger issue just happened
[21:15] <cyberanger> and since there are no donations, no backers, besides my wallet
[21:15] <cyberanger> this isn't corprate, that's what I gotta settle for
[21:16] <kd4zay> sure that could work with a automated script that could create x amount backups or just a daily cron for each day of the week
[21:16] <cyberanger> yep, and toss in something checking sha256sums
[21:16] <cyberanger> make sure the backups are good
[21:17] <cyberanger> now, there is other options, but for a true snapshot, you've gotta stop read and write access
[21:18] <kd4zay> the only issue i see would be any database being open of course you can just stop mysql before the backups
[21:19] <cyberanger> yeah, and anything reading the database has downtime too
[21:23] <kd4zay> so if i was doing a bare metal restore , i would need to create the partitions, restore the backup and use grub to install the mbr back ?
[21:24] <kd4zay> cause really thats what i am looking for is a way to recover from a full failure at any point with a week
[21:27] <cyberanger> yeah, that would work
[21:27] <Juzzy> for big deployments I use arkeia (commercial) b/c it has point in time, etc
[21:27] <cyberanger> xfs has some nifty utilities that might be better
[21:27] <Juzzy> its cheap, and has wicked nice .deb support
[21:28] <cyberanger> for going from nearest backup to new box
[21:29] <cyberanger> I've gotten used to doing by hand in under an hour (less with the backup box already setup from one backup, then it's just an update)
[21:36] <kd4zay> the company here uses symantec back exec system recover which take snapshot through out the day, very expense! now i would not need that for the nixs but I will need to come up with a process
[21:37] <kd4zay> cyberanger: your solution seem like a valid one
[21:38] <kd4zay> arkeia has a free linux version !
[21:45] <kd4zay> but only supports 2 server 8p
[21:54] <Juzzy> hehe
[21:55] <Juzzy> there's always bakula
[22:23] <kd4zay> bakula ? i havent looked at that yet


[18:20] <Chex> MagicFab: hellos there
[18:20] <MagicFab> hey!
[18:20] <Chex> whats the haps?
[18:52] <MagicFab> http:/blog.digital.telefonica.com/?press-release=Firefox-os-Latin-America-launch
[18:57] <Ankman> for some reason lynx wants to connect to an FTP site when i use this link
[18:58] <MagicFab> sorry! http://blog.digital.telefonica.com/?press-release=Firefox-os-Latin-America-launch
[18:58] <MagicFab> (missing "/")
[19:02] <Ankman> oh
[19:02] <Ankman> yes, i am blind
[19:04] <MagicFab> ~100$, no plan.
[19:08] <Ankman> my guess is firefox os will same the same way like "linux foundation"
[19:08] <Chex> MagicFab: *reading*
[19:09] <Chex> MagicFab: telefonica... doing open-source.. thats kind of rich, but OK, whatever
[19:09] <Ankman> or why there is no real competition next to ebay. the well estsblished big players get it all (iOS and Android for smart phones)
[19:09] <Chex> Slim is _not_ about open-players..
[19:14] <IdleOne> Will it run ubuntu phone?
[19:14] <IdleOne> lol
[19:17] <MagicFab> IdleOne, I doubt it, the Firefo OS spec are only OK for low-end Android. The Edge requires much more.
[19:18] <MagicFab> Chex, what's Slim?
[19:19] <Chex> MagicFab: sorry, wrong company
[19:20] <Chex> MagicFab: was this Carlos Slim from Mexico
[19:20] <Chex> thinking
[19:22] <MagicFab> Chex, doubt it, telefonica is from Spain.


[04:16] <ShawnR> munz: just FYI, I ended up using the undelete feature and just doing select folders at a time. Couldn't find another way.  Good news is, got the files I needed
[13:34] <munz> ShawnR, yay! glad it worked  :)
[20:03] <sublime1> hello


[15:27] <ndichtel> Hi all
[15:27] <ndichtel> I'm trying to find some docs about supported kernel versions. This page is quite old: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2FSupport.Ubuntu_Kernel_Release_Schedule (nothing after kernel 4.15). Is there something up to date somewhere else?
[15:28] <apw> ndichtel, hmmm, well the supported versions are exposed most accuratly by the archive, but that being out of date isn't right for sure
[15:29] <ndichtel> you mean mailing list archive?
[15:30] <apw> ndichtel, hmm actually as that page only talks about lts release it is nominally mostly up to date, other than a lack of the latest backports
[15:30] <ndichtel> for example, I'm interessing to know when the hwe kernel version will change
[15:30] <apw> ndichtel, no that actual archive itself, the hwe version in 18.04LTS ?  it just changed to 5.3 didn't it ?
[15:31] <ndichtel> there is a lot of vTBD for kernel versions ;-)
[15:31] <apw> yes it did
[15:31] <ndichtel> yes
[15:31] <ndichtel> it just changes
[15:32] <apw> well it announced on the kernel mailing lists, and normally it changes about 6-8 weeks after teh release of the next development release
[15:32] <apw> so we have 6-8 weeks of lead time before teh point release which is about to drop for 18.04
[15:33] <apw> but those diagrams are slightly out of sync with reality as we move hwe a little earlier than we used to so we don't slip the point release itself
[15:33]  * apw will find someone to fix them up
[15:33] <ndichtel> ok, thank you for the details
[15:34] <apw> ndichtel, thanks for pointing it out
[15:35] <ndichtel> ;-)
[15:37] <ndichtel> sorry for the naïve question: which mailing list can I subscribe to get the announcement?
[15:40] <apw> kernel-team@ lists.ubuntu.com
[15:40] <ndichtel> oh, I thought it was a private ml
[15:40] <ndichtel> thanks
[16:26] <zx2c4> apw: https://xn--4db.cc/5xyUvbQg/diff maybe this will help
[16:27] <zx2c4> perhaps it just works out of the box O_o
[16:31] <zx2c4> Lotta crazy scripting going on
[17:04] <apw> zx2c4: close to what I have, just it is on top of the new versioned provides bits
[17:08] <zx2c4> apw: version provides bits?
[17:08] <zx2c4> am i on the wrong branch of the repo?
[17:11] <apw> zx2c4, not published anywhere yet, i am fixing 3-4 bugs in the same area; yours includeed
[17:12] <apw> zx2c4, should be finished tommorrow if i haven't pooched anything
[17:12] <zx2c4> apw: oh cool
[17:12] <zx2c4> i looked at those scripts
[17:12] <zx2c4> dkms-build--{packagename}
[17:12] <zx2c4> and
[17:12] <zx2c4> dkms-builds--{packagename}-configure
[17:12] <apw> zx2c4, i assume you will contact us direct if there are any security/urgent updates for the driver
[17:12] <zx2c4> or something similar
[17:13] <zx2c4> and i couldnt see anything in those that wireguard would need
[17:13] <apw> yeah it is all a bit more complex than it needs to be because of nvidia not being really shipped by linux
[17:13] <zx2c4> but if you do find yourself needing some hacky stuff like that, we cna probably put that upstream instead
[17:13] <apw> zfs is a good exmaple to follow
[17:13] <zx2c4> cept zfs has like 20 modules
[17:13] <apw> right, but overall as you guestimated it is about as complex
[17:14] <zx2c4> 18:12:51 <apw> zx2c4, i assume you will contact us direct if there are any security/urgent updates for the driver
[17:14] <zx2c4> i'd probably be inclined to do that _but_ you (or kerneltoast) should join wgml and watch the [ANNOUNCE] emails
[17:14] <apw> zx2c4, oh while a remember; where will the upstram bits land in the tree, ie where will the .ko express
[17:14] <apw> zx2c4, can you pm where that is, and i'll get added
[17:14] <zx2c4> drivers/net/wireguard.ko
[17:14] <zx2c4> https://lists.zx2c4.com/mailman/listinfo/wireguard
[17:14] <apw> ok good, so the dkms one will appear in wireguard/* so that is not going to clash
[17:15] <zx2c4> ./5.5.0-rc6+/kernel/drivers/net/wireguard/wireguard.ko
[17:15] <zx2c4> actually, that^
[17:15] <zx2c4> alright thats fine
[17:15] <zx2c4> wireguard-dkms builds into net/wireguard in fact
[17:15] <apw> zx2c4, right but i don't let it go where it thinks it wants to :)
[17:16] <apw> zx2c4, the dkms-build magic sorts that out for all of 'em
[17:16] <zx2c4> so wireguard/wireguard.ko (apwlandia), net/wireguard.ko (dkms), and drivers/net/wireguard/wireguard.ko (upstream) all do not clash
[17:16] <apw> i think dkms is updates/<omething>)
[17:16]  * apw looks for a keyboard with all of the keys in the normal place
[17:16] <zx2c4> https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-linux-compat/tree/src/dkms.conf
[17:16] <zx2c4> DEST_MODULE_LOCATION="/kernel/net"
[17:17] <zx2c4> kernel/net apparently, in fact
[17:17] <zx2c4> O_o
[17:17] <zx2c4> perhaps ubuntu overrides that though
[17:17] <zx2c4> but, anyway, sure -- feel free to put it wherever you think is best
[17:17] <apw> /lib/modules/5.4.0-9-generic/updates/dkms/wireguard.ko
[17:17] <zx2c4> gotcha