[00:04] <phillw> melodie, for the RC's we no longer use virtual machines. The push now is to check the installer on as many different pieces of hard ware as possible.
[00:05] <phillw> melodie, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages
[00:07] <melodie> I can't test on machines with low ram because I don't have any low ram machine anymore
[00:11] <phillw> melodie, then test installer to death! there are several scenarios for each of our ISO's; each has a set of tests. it is the installer we are now testing; lubuntu works.
[00:14] <melodie> yes phillw I test the installer and add comments in a text file, and make screenshots
[00:16] <phillw> melodie, it needs installing onto hard disk, and then check it can re-install side-by-side etc. I have all this to look forward to on Monday when I get back home :)
[00:17] <melodie> and then check it can re-install side-by-side ? what does that mean?
[00:17] <melodie> I have installed to hard disk
[00:18] <melodie> all the pics of the install time are here:
[00:18] <melodie> http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/LubuntuSaucyTesting/lubuntu/
[00:18] <melodie> I have described the machine in my posts on the mailing list today
[00:20] <phillw> melodie, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55588/testcases
[00:20] <melodie> if the swappiness is not under control (the default in the system is 60 and for vfs_cache_pressure the default is 100) then it swaps like a mad program
[00:20] <phillw> all of these test cases must be run
[00:21] <melodie> I am using a 32bits iso
[00:21] <melodie> for the real install I can fill only the manual partitionning
[00:21] <melodie> I have a Debian install and a Ubuntu Openbox install in the same hard drive
[00:22] <phillw> melodie, we have zram under control. you have been advised for the blueprint for 14.04 LTS. No changes will be made at this point for zram unless it were to become a critical bug that stopped the actual installation of lubuntu (or any other flavour)
[00:22] <melodie> for the install in vbox I'm doing, I want to bring serious clues to my previous statements regarding swappiness and zram, be it for the one coming or for the next
[00:23] <melodie> I test both separately because it might not be related
[00:23] <phillw> melodie, which part of "we are not using virtual machines" for RC have you not read :D
[00:23] <melodie> I have read
[00:23] <melodie> I just don't have many machines in which I can test
[00:23] <phillw> then stop using them :)
[00:23] <melodie> so I have installed previously in a real T30
[00:24] <melodie> now I installed to a real P4 Dell
[00:24] <melodie> I have reported for both in the mailing list
[00:24] <melodie> well at least my findings
[00:24] <melodie> I can report to your test case for 32bits but not for 64bits because I always used 32bits iso
[00:25] <melodie> and I can report only about manual partitionning because I am a multibootist: I have only machines with several distros in them
 melodie, which part of "we are not using virtual machines" for RC have you not read :D // I want to find out how it behaves on low ram regarding swappiness and I can't change 1 GB on the T30 for 256MB ram or 386 MB ram because I don't have the hardware for that
[00:26] <melodie> I am a very small contributor, and even if I regret it, I also wish to test what I am most interested in while in the energy of testing.
[00:27] <phillw> melodie, create up a extended partiton and point the installer to use it. I use virtual volumes for my testing, but at this point I do use the standard partition system to install the RC onto.
[00:27] <melodie> on the Dell P4 I have installed to an extended partition
[00:27] <melodie> is that ok for you?
[00:28] <phillw> melodie, the issues of zram / swappiness are not important for 13.10. what is important is "does 13.10 install onto actual machines (not VM's)"
[00:29] <melodie> I have prepared space from 4 partitions which were primary. I have deleted the swap partition and resized the others, then moved them to the left, then did an extended, in which I redid a swap partition and the last one an ext4 for Lubuntu
[00:29] <melodie> I have updated and installed virtualbox : I am happy to say vbox works well in Lubuntu Saucy!
[00:30] <phillw> melodie, then find the best test case that you can run; and run it!
[00:30] <melodie> the boot loader has setup itself to allow me to boot to lubuntu, to Debian and to ubuntu openbox
[00:30] <melodie> yes, you pointed me to the 64bits
[00:30] <melodie> Testcases for Lubuntu Desktop amd64 in Saucy Daily
[00:30] <melodie> where is the 32bits please?
[00:32] <phillw> I've had 13.10 running on my hardware since alpha 1. I've now to scrub my backup partition and tell 13.10 installer to use it.
[00:32] <melodie> where is the 32bits test case?
[00:32] <phillw> melodie, the sources, and test cases are help on the tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds
[00:33] <phillw> *held*
[00:33] <melodie> are help? o_o
[00:33] <melodie> oh ok :)
[00:33] <melodie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases  // Ok
[00:35] <phillw> Ohhh... small hairy spherical objects... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220165
[00:41] <melodie> phillw here is a test case for you! http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results
[00:41] <melodie> hope you like it
[00:45] <melodie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results
[00:45] <melodie> it didn't like my first submit because I wrote "none" instead of "0"
[00:45] <melodie> now it's ok
[00:47] <melodie> phillw maybe tomorrow evening I could retry installing the final to the T30 on top of the former one
[00:47] <melodie> it will still be with manual partitionning, I can't afford to remove the other installs
[00:47] <phillw> melodie, the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1220165 is a potentially critical bug. I had a sneaky feeling it would come back and bite. Do keep an eye on it when you do the install.
[00:48] <melodie> phillw but that's powerpc
[00:49] <melodie> "When installing the desktop powerpc image, the installer comes up with an error message:"
[00:49] <melodie> this is a hardware which is different from usual PC's
[00:50] <melodie> at least I never met with this so far (and I alway press escape to see the scrolling of the messages of the boot, because I want to see if there are errors or warnings)
[00:51] <melodie> so be it at boot time or during install I would have noticed any unusual message
[00:57] <phillw> melodie, they are apple machines
[01:01] <melodie> yes I know that
[01:28] <melodie> good night
[03:32] <Etha> hey i have a problem with changing my brightness
[03:32] <Etha> im running lubuntu on a samsung nc110 netbook
[03:33] <Etha> i have looked online and tried every solution i could find
[03:33] <Etha> when i press "fn + up/down" i get a brightness change indicator window that pops up
[03:34] <Etha> and the brightness bar graphic slides left and right, but my screen stays the same brightness
[03:34] <Etha> can anyone help me with this?
[03:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> Etha, your laptop model ?
[03:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> Aww sorry.. Missed that... gimme a minute
[03:48] <Etha> my laptop model is NC110
[03:48] <Etha> its a samsung netbook :)
[03:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> It seems like the solution is the same which I applied for my HP... But not sure whether it will work or not. Do you see the boot menu every time you restart ?
[03:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> If yes, I want you to edit the Ubuntu 13.04 * by pressing "E" and replace quiet splash with acpi_backlight=vendor
[03:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> Etha, can you just try that and get back?
[03:52] <Etha> uhh yeah when I boot i see a menu with boot options
[03:53] <Etha> im not sure i understand what you mean by editing ubuntu 13.04
[03:53] <IAmNotThatGuy> Ok... So, you click enter in the first option I believe.. Then, click E by keeping the first option selected
[03:55] <Etha> alright i think im in the right place
[03:55] <Etha> i cant see "quiet splash" though
[03:55] <IAmNotThatGuy> Ok.. you have the line vmlinuz ?
[03:56] <IAmNotThatGuy> I think it is the last line or the one before it with UUID and other details
[03:56] <Etha> my last line is initrd, and the one before that is
[03:56] <Etha> fi
[03:57] <Etha> linux
[03:58] <IAmNotThatGuy> Okay.,.. do you see something like /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-29-generic-pae root=UUID=b1834d50-6d96-4c36-9e52-05cfbeeab5c6 ro ?
[04:00] <Etha> no sorry, maybe i should do a reinstall first, the other sollutions ive tried might have messed some things up
[04:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> ah no
[04:00] <IAmNotThatGuy> wait...
[04:02] <IAmNotThatGuy> check whether http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967074&s=dfa95e8321005aaed5ef03c8c68d2cb5&p=11882705#post11882705 helps
[04:03] <IAmNotThatGuy> keep the re-installing as the laast option. try available solutions in the internet
[04:05] <Etha> oh ive already started :/
[04:06] <Etha> its no biggy, i only just installed it anyway
[04:06] <Etha> im dual booting win7
[04:07] <IAmNotThatGuy> ok
[04:14] <Etha> hey it worked!
[04:14] <Etha> i replaced the line with the one you said
[04:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> nice
[04:14] <Etha> brightness controls work perfectly now
[04:14] <Etha> thanks man :3
[04:14] <IAmNotThatGuy> now, you have to set it by defauly
[04:15] <IAmNotThatGuy> default* or else you have to edit everytime you login
[04:16] <IAmNotThatGuy> follow #9 in the link thAt I sent earlier
[04:19] <Etha> alright ill give that a go
[04:20] <IAmNotThatGuy> okies :]
[04:33] <Etha> I followed it but it doesn't seem to work
[04:34] <Etha> grub has been edited correctly but the brightness controls don't function
[04:34] <IAmNotThatGuy> Aww
[04:35] <IAmNotThatGuy> try to view the grub again and check whether it is reflected during boot
[04:35] <Etha> but it definately works when i edit the line in boot
[04:35] <Etha> alright
[04:36] <Etha> when editing grub should i replace quietsplash instead?
[04:37] <Etha> because the post i followed said to add acpi_osi=Linux acpi_backlight=vendor to annother line
[04:37] <Etha> leaving quietsplash alone
[04:39] <IAmNotThatGuy> oh...  I checked the settings in lxsession-default-apps, and the command setting for power manager is wrong: it's "auto", whereas it should be "xfce4-power-manager". Is this bug known already?
[08:40] <Soul-Sing> auto brightness etc.?
[08:42] <Soul-Sing> is the 'prog'/application in the Autostart" list?
[08:43] <pjotr> Well, xfce4-power-manager simply doesn't run by default. Only when you launch it yourself, for example from the menu (Preferences - Power Manager), you get the battery icon in your system tray that shows the remaining power in your laptop's battery.
[08:44] <Unit193> pjotr: OnlyShowIn=XFCE;  of course it doesn't autostart in LXDE.
[08:44] <pjotr> you can add it yourself to the startup applications, by correcting the wrong entry in lxsession-default-apps.
[08:44] <Soul-Sing> yeah
[08:44] <Unit193> /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-power-manager.desktop
[08:45] <pjotr> Unit193: thisnis clearly a bug, as we have no battery icon now by default.
[08:46] <pjotr> thisnis = this is
[08:54] <pjotr> fixing this bug is easy: simply set the right command in lxsession-default-apps..... A simple settings change, and side effects are highly unlikely. Can the devs repair this before launch?
[08:57] <Unit193> Erm, what makes you think it's in there?
[09:19] <pjotr> Unit193: well, of course it's in /etc/xdg/autostart, but it can be tweaked by means of lxsession-default-apps. The means is immaterial to me; it's the result that counts... :-)
[09:22] <pjotr> Of course changing OnlyShownIn=XFCE in the desktop config file is probably the most straightforward way of fixing it....
[15:03] <jarnos> I have pulseaudio running in 13.04. Is it by default?
[19:55] <krabador> hi, i neet to delete lxpanel
[19:55] <krabador> or to leave it to at startup
[19:55] <krabador> how can i do?
[20:30] <krabador> hi, i delete the line @lxterminal on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[20:30] <krabador> but ive the lxterminal the sAME
[20:32] <bioterror> you did it wrong
[20:32] <bioterror> cd .config
[20:32] <bioterror> rm -rf lxpanel
[20:32] <bioterror> and restart your X session
[20:32] <bioterror> it's under your ~/
[20:33] <bioterror> sorry
[20:33] <bioterror> lxterminal :D
[20:33] <bioterror> I read lxpanel
[20:33] <bioterror> as you mentioned first
[20:36] <krabador> lxpanel
[20:36] <krabador> sorry i was wrong
[20:36] <krabador> i mean lx panel
[20:36] <krabador> i don't want lxpanel on my lxde lubuntu session
[20:37] <krabador> i've delete the line @lxpanel, but i've the same
[20:46] <krabador> i delete the line @lxpanel on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but nothing
[20:48] <bioterror> that should be the correct way, I think
[20:52] <krabador> bioterror, the line on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart ?
[20:52] <krabador> i leave the @lxpanel line, but i've it on startup
[20:53] <bioterror> you remove the @lxpanel
[20:53] <krabador> bioterror, i removed it , but nothing
[20:54] <bioterror> my autostart is empty :(
[20:58] <krabador> bioterror, it's lxpanel the panel on lubuntu , or some xfce stuff ?
[21:06] <melodie> hi
[21:15] <bioterror> I gotta tomorrow check where's the startup's nowdays
[21:49] <melodie> does anyone here have experience with test cases ?
[21:49] <melodie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1301/results
[21:49] <melodie> is the test cases finished? or is it still ok for the time being?
[21:53] <melodie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1301/results
[21:53] <melodie> what is "auto-resize" ?
[21:53] <melodie> is it when we install besides others for example?
[21:54] <melodie> humm it seems so
[21:54] <R0b0t1> Hi, I figured out the error that creates two desktops
[21:55] <R0b0t1> running arandr on setup seems to lag the launch of lxde enough that if I hit the keybinding for the "run command" shortcut two desktops are created
[21:55] <melodie> you had "Desktop" and switched to your language?
[21:55] <R0b0t1> s/setup/startup/
[21:55] <R0b0t1> If I simply wait longer only one desktop will launch, or rather, trying to do the run shortcut won't launch another
[22:12] <krabador> please
[22:13] <krabador> i need to remove lxpanel from autostart
[22:13] <krabador> i removed the line @lxpanel on /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart but nothing
[22:13] <krabador> what can i do?
[22:20] <melodie> hi
[22:20] <melodie> why do you want it not to be started?
[22:20] <melodie> krabador I look if I find some desktop files elsewhere
[22:21] <melodie> or you can also do:
[22:21] <melodie> sudo updatedb && locate lxpanel.desktop
[22:22] <melodie> else:
[22:22] <melodie> what about lxsession-edit ?
[22:22] <krabador> melodie, where i can find lxsession-edit?
[22:23] <melodie> that would be:
[22:23] <melodie> menu > preferences >
[22:23] <melodie> Default applications for LXSession
[22:24] <krabador> sudo updatedb && locate lxpanel.desktop will rebuild lxpanel desktop later the line deleted on autostart file?
[22:28] <melodie> no
[22:28] <krabador> ok, it search in the database the file
[22:28] <melodie> sudo updatedb rebuilds the database containing the list and place of files in the system and locate seeks for the file in argument in the whole hard drive
[22:29] <melodie> don't bother I have looked and it's not there
[22:29] <krabador> can i set a line on autostart
[22:29] <krabador> to run lxpanel and kill ?
[22:30] <melodie> what about uninstalling lxpanel?
[22:31] <krabador> melodie, ok
[22:31] <krabador> how can i do?
[22:31] <melodie> is it the first time you are using GNU/Linux - and or Lubuntu ?
[22:31] <krabador> melodie, apt-get autoremove --purge lxpanel
[22:31] <krabador> not
[22:31] <melodie> yes, why not?
[22:32] <melodie> I guess you can use that command line
[22:32] <melodie> or Synaptic
[22:32] <melodie> the command line with sudo in front of the line
[22:35] <krabador> melodie, with apt-get autoremove --purge lxpanel it want to remove lubuntu-core
[22:35] <krabador> isn't too much?
[22:37] <melodie> if lubuntu-core is an empty package there is no problem
[22:37] <melodie> are there other packages which are at risk of being removed?
[22:37] <krabador> melodie, i'm in lubuntu , sure that lubuntu-core may be an empty package?
[22:37] <krabador> melodie,  lubuntu-core* lubuntu-desktop* lxpanel* lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin*
[22:38] <melodie> if it does not pull away anything else, then it means it is a meta-package
[22:38] <krabador> that's the packages that it want remove
[22:38] <melodie> lxpanel-indicator-applet-plugin* : you can't use the plugin if you don't have the panel
[22:38] <melodie> lubuntu-desktop* : meta package does not pull anything else
[22:38] <melodie>  lubuntu-core* : same, you can remove it does not pull anything else
[22:38] <krabador> ok, i can go ?
[22:39] <melodie> how will you access to your menus then?
[22:39] <krabador> i've cairo dock
[22:39] <melodie> and that's enough?
[22:39] <krabador> yes
[22:39] <melodie> ok, I don't know cairo docks
[22:39] <krabador> the rest i'll do with terminale
[22:39] <melodie> you can go!
[22:39] <krabador> terminal
[22:40] <melodie> would you like to try a spin (non official) built with openbox and not all of lxde ?
[22:42] <krabador> i'm trying lubuntu, and for now i'm happy
[22:43] <melodie> :)
[22:43] <krabador> because canonical way to give stable packages
[22:43] <krabador> and fix them for the distro
[22:44] <melodie> I am experimenting building almost standalone openbox in Ubuntu 12.04 to make it even lighter and easier to switch components, all relying on the official ubuntu package management of course
[22:44] <melodie> I have been working on it and had it tested since several months, just some cosmetics seem to need fixes
[22:45] <melodie> for now I am testing Lubuntu Saucy to help the final testing before it comes out
[23:01] <krabador> melodie,  great
[23:02] <krabador> melodie,  do you think you'll mantain "openbuntu" project?
[23:08] <melodie> yes of course
[23:08] <melodie> have you found it?
[23:09] <melodie> I have tried to move my install to 13.04 but there were many things not available anymore, such as virtualbox and some other packages which I didn't find for that version and that bugged me (and it's maintained 9 months only so that is kind of short)
[23:10] <melodie> so I reverted back to 12.04, and I am waiting for Saucy to try again, and perhaps I'll push up to 14.04 to make a new one... depending on how 13.10 will be
[23:12] <melodie> krabador ?
[23:13] <krabador> melodie, not
[23:13] <krabador> i haven't found it
[23:14] <melodie> you can find some spins of Ubuntu and Debian at http://linuxvillage.org :)
[23:14] <melodie> and descriptions in the forum
[23:15] <krabador> hehee french people !
[23:15] <krabador> melodie, are you french?
[23:16] <melodie> some are French, some from Quebec, Belgium and a bunch of others are English speaking people from many places
[23:23] <melodie> krabador I am French and American
[23:24] <melodie> what about you?
[23:24] <krabador> a french in the usa, or an american in france?
[23:24] <krabador> i'm italian
[23:25] <melodie> I have two nationalities but I am mainly french
[23:26] <krabador> great, a friend of mine have two nationalities like you, italian and american
[23:26] <melodie> great!
[23:26] <krabador> his father is from Detroit
[23:26] <melodie> indeed!
[23:26] <melodie> mine is from NY state
[23:26] <melodie> however he used to live in Germany
[23:27] <melodie> where are you from in Italy?
[23:27] <krabador> je suis aussi hereux parlant franC
[23:27] <krabador> francais
[23:28] <krabador> mais je ne le parle pas de l'école
[23:28] <krabador> et j'ai peur de le parler très mal
[23:28]  * melodie invites krabador to #linuxvillage
[23:51] <blackdog> hey all. is there an approved way of upgrading to saucy?
[23:51] <blackdog> i keep getting: "2013-10-14 10:23:03,115 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'unity' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.'
[23:52] <blackdog> which is extra-aggravating because i'm not using unity and don't care at all what happens to it.
[23:52] <Unit193> 1.  Saucy isn't officially released yet.  2. Do you, or did you ever have unity or ubuntu-desktop?  3. Do you now have lubuntu-desktop and/or lubuntu-core installed?
[23:54] <blackdog> Unit193: i have lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-core installed. unity is also installed, but i've tried do-release-upgrade -d with and without it
[23:54] <blackdog> (and yeah, i know it's not released yet. there are some features from the newer kernel i want, and was hoping not to have to install a custom one.)