[01:12] <ChristopherNg> Seony: Hello!
[01:12] <ChristopherNg> Anyone there?
[01:14] <Seony> Hi
[01:14] <Seony> I'm working
[01:14] <ChristopherNg> Ah sorry
[01:14] <ChristopherNg> How are you my friend?
[01:14] <Seony> No problem.
[01:14] <Seony> Not bad.
[01:15] <ChristopherNg> i wanted to ask for more Korean song! ;)
[01:15] <bridgebot> 미리나이루2 : ???????
[01:15] <Seony> oh, are you starting to like k-pop?
[01:15] <ChristopherNg> Yes lol!
[01:15] <Seony> wow, you were impressed seeing SNSD. :D
[01:16] <ChristopherNg> Very much impressed, They have a great voice, money, brains and those movie star looks.
[01:16] <ChristopherNg> I must admit I really admire Korean culture
[01:17] <ChristopherNg> A strong, Hard working people that always overcome all the obstacles and deliver a superior service with quality and reliability.
[01:18] <ChristopherNg> so anything for me?
[01:18] <Seony> check www.soompi.com out.
[01:18] <ChristopherNg> ;p
[01:19] <ChristopherNg> great its in english
[01:19] <Seony> it's one of the famous k-pop community website.
[01:19] <ChristopherNg> ty
[01:22] <ChristopherNg> Seony: you are 30 odd, KPOP is still popular in your age group?
[01:23] <Seony> ppl much older than me love them, more than what i do. haha
[01:23] <ChristopherNg> hahaha, how old are you anyway roughly?
[01:24] <ChristopherNg> much older?
[01:24] <Seony> roughly? more than 35 lol
[01:24] <ChristopherNg> haha
[01:24] <ChristopherNg> i will take 35!
[01:24] <ChristopherNg> ;p
[01:25] <Seony> try to watch IU's video clip on youtube.
[01:25] <Seony> You must love her.
[01:25] <ChristopherNg> IU?
[01:25] <ChristopherNg> ah i see her now
[01:25] <Seony> ok. let me give you a link.
[01:26] <ChristopherNg> k
[01:27] <Seony> ChristopherNg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxINymtVi5c
[01:31] <ChristopherNg> Seony: she is very pretty
[01:31] <Seony> that's why all korean men love her. lol
[01:31] <ChristopherNg> how old?
[01:32] <Seony> 19
[01:32] <ChristopherNg> ah i see
[01:32] <Seony> ChristopherNg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IU_(singer)
[01:32] <ChristopherNg> Does Korean make any kind of anime?
[01:33] <Seony> yes. it's more like japanimation.
[01:34] <ChristopherNg> what are the famous ones?
[01:35] <Seony> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pororo_the_Little_Penguin
[01:35] <Seony> absolutely one.
[01:36] <bridgebot> ^-^ : [움트트움트] Deo Gratias
[01:38] <ChristopherNg> It is childs cartoon, anything else?
[01:38] <ChristopherNg> hmm what do your kids watch?
[01:39] <Seony> ChristopherNg: I can't say what anime korean made because of uncountable.
[01:40] <ChristopherNg> ah yes, alot of them made
[01:40] <ChristopherNg> heh
[01:42] <ChristopherNg> Pororo looks like for very young kids
[01:42] <Seony> right. but Pororo is God for all kids in the world.
[01:44] <ChristopherNg> Ah i see
[01:45] <ChristopherNg> Seony: is Woojin a popular name?
[01:45] <Seony> pretty.
[01:46] <ChristopherNg> sorry i disturb you at work ;p
[01:47] <Seony> no problem.
[01:47] <ChristopherNg> Im trying to find Korean horror film plz
[01:47] <Seony> horror?
[01:47] <Seony> why? lol
[01:48] <ChristopherNg> I like horror lol
[01:48] <ChristopherNg> especially the ring etc
[01:48] <Seony> i recommend you to watch the major korean movies first.
[01:48] <Seony> like Old Boy.
[01:48] <ChristopherNg> so i want to see horror
[01:48] <ChristopherNg> Yes ive seen old boy many, many times
[01:48] <ChristopherNg> heh
[01:49] <Seony> i see. check this out then. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Tale_of_Two_Sisters
[01:50] <ChristopherNg> looks very good i will download it from usenet
[01:51] <ChristopherNg> my favoruite Korean horror film so far is R-Point
[01:51] <Seony> oh that was good
[01:51] <ChristopherNg> yes
[01:52] <Seony> you know what, that movie was based on true.
[01:52] <ChristopherNg> True story?
[01:52] <Seony> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-Point
[01:53] <ChristopherNg> Can Korean read both Chinese and Japanese?
[01:53] <ChristopherNg> Yes
[01:53] <ChristopherNg> I have read
[01:53] <ChristopherNg> ;p
[01:53] <Seony> CJK basically share characters, and especially japanese language is very easy for korean.
[01:54] <Seony> the grammar and words are very very close to its korean language.
[01:55] <ChristopherNg> Kanji?
[01:55] <Seony> yes
[01:55] <ChristopherNg> Hmm, I think Korea is closer to Japan than to China in culture
[01:56] <Seony> half and half, i think.
[01:56] <Seony> korean culture has been definitely influenced by china.
[01:56] <ChristopherNg> Half Chines, Half Japan = Korean?
[01:57] <Seony> and vice versa.
[01:57] <ChristopherNg> Yes
[01:57] <Seony> those 3 countries have been closely related and shared culture for a long time historically.
[01:58] <Seony> so i can't say exactly this is this, and that is that.
[01:58] <ChristopherNg> Why did they stop making Pororo ? only 3 seasons?
[01:59] <Seony> i'm not sure.
[02:00] <Seony> they may stir-fry them again and again.
[02:00] <ChristopherNg> haha
[02:00] <Seony> hey, i gotta go on-site work.
[02:01] <ChristopherNg> np
[02:01] <Seony> see you a few hours later.
[02:01] <ChristopherNg> ty
[03:31] <imsu> 아웅 ;; opencv가 설치가 안된다 ㅠㅠ
[04:09] <Seony> imsu: 오랫만이네
[04:09] <imsu> Seony, 안녕하세요 ^^
[04:13] <Seony> imsu: 요즘 거기 날씨는 어때
[04:16] <imsu> 점점 찜통 주의보 ㅠㅠ
[04:17] <Seony> 내가 거기 갔었을 때가 대충 이맘떄였는데, 아 상상만 해도 끔찍하다 ㅎㅎ
[04:32] <imsu> 네 ㅋㅋ
[04:32] <imsu> 한국은 이제 안오십니까? ㅋㅋ
[04:32] <imsu> Seony, 아맞다 시계 찾았어요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[04:32] <Seony> 오오 ㅎㅎ
[04:33] <Seony> 한국은... 내가 여기서 일이 잘 안풀리면 내년 초에 갈거고, 잘 풀리면 2년 후에 갈 거야.
[04:37] <imsu> 큭큭
[04:41] <Seony> 잊어먹지 말고 잘좀 차고댕겨 ㅎㅎ
[04:44] <imsu> 예전에 청소하다가 .... 딴데다가 넣어두었나봐요 ㅠㅠ
[04:44] <imsu> 청소하다가 발견 ㅠㅠ
[05:06] <bellamy> 안녕하세여
[05:17] <Seony> Hi
[05:19] <bellamy> 리눅스 터미널 깨끗이 하려면 어떻게 해야되나요?
[05:19] <bellamy> cls처럼요
[05:19] <Seony> clear
[05:21] <bellamy> 감사합니다
[05:21] <Seony> :)
[05:34] <admin_> 안녕하세요?
[05:35] <Seony> Hi
[05:35] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : !ipw admin_
[05:36] <bridgebot> 냐옹이^인덱스 : admin_: IP를 찾을 수 없습니다.
[05:36] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : ㅋㅋ
[05:37] <Seony> SCV곰: 한아얄씨가 아니라 우분투 포럼으로 접속한거라 사용자가 없다고 나오겠죠 ㅎㅎ
[05:38] <bridgebot> S-eony : 음.. 나는 뭐라고 나올려나...
[05:38] <bridgebot> S-eony : !ipw Seony
[05:38] <bridgebot> 냐옹이^인덱스 : [ARIN] <IP_ADDRESS> : Road Runner HoldCo LLC (ROAD-RUNNER-5, <IP_ADDRESS>-<IP_ADDRESS>)
[05:38] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 헐
[05:38] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 로그론너!
[05:39] <bellamy> 처음 리눅스 깔았는데
[05:40] <bellamy> 기본명령어도 너무 어렵네요 ㅠㅠ
[05:40] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 공부하셔야죠
[05:40] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 하나씩
[05:40] <Seony> 원래 처음에는 뭐든 다 그렇습니다.  정보보호학과라서...
[05:42] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 편하고 좋은 윈도우가 있는데
[05:42] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 왜 리눅스를 깔아서
[05:42] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 윈8에는
[05:42] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 사서 고생을 하시는지 ㅠㅠ
[05:42] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : ....
[05:42] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : os에 백신 포함
[05:42] <bellamy> 보안공부해야해서
[05:42] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 좋네요
[05:42] <bellamy> 어쩔수가없네요ㅠㅠ
[05:42] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 부팅할때
[05:42] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : üũ
[05:42] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 한후
[05:42] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 로딩
[05:42] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 보안따위... 방화벽 유지보수 업체에 전화해서 들어오라고 하면 되는데(....)
[05:43] <bellamy> ㅋㅋㅋ
[05:43] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : c욜라 해야겠네
[05:43] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 모든 언어 해야 되고
[05:43] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : ㅋㅋㅋ
[05:43] <bellamy> 그업체에 들어가는게 제목표죠 ..  하다보면 진짜 문제는 영어일겁니다 ㅋ
[05:49] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 일 못하면
[05:49] <bridgebot> SCV곰 : 멍멍이 일뿐입니다
[05:50] <bellamy> 네..  스테이블 릴리즈 나오고
[06:12] <umttumt> 이후에 버젼 2번정도 올라가면
[06:12] <umttumt> 한번 볼까 하는정도(....)
[07:47] <bridgebot> ^-^ : [움트트움트] Deo Gratias
[08:37] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 토요일인데..
[08:37] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 갈데도 없고
[08:37] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : 할것도없고....
[08:37] <bridgebot> 움드드움드 : .....
[08:59] <bridgebot> 슁킷|호갱님 : =ㅂ=
[08:59] <bridgebot> 슁킷|호갱님 : 외롭고~ 쓸쓸한~ 주말 =ㅂ=
[09:10] <bridgebot> twinsenx : 클러빙
[09:58] <kwon> Hello
[10:57] <bridgebot> ^-^ : [움트트움트] Deo Gratias
[12:21] <acooda> 아흠 주말
[12:21] <imsu> acooda, 주말인데 뭐하냐? ㅋㅋ
[12:22] <acooda> 집에서 빈둥빈둥
[12:22] <acooda> 내일도 빈둥빈둥
[12:22] <acooda> 모래도 빈둥빈둥
[12:22] <acooda> 아흠
[12:24] <imsu> ㅋㅋㅋ
[12:24] <imsu> 요즘은 일 안해? ㅎㅎ
[12:24] <acooda> ㅠ
[12:24] <acooda> 아직 학원일 하시는가 'ㅡ'?
[12:25] <imsu> 웅
[12:25] <imsu> ㅋㅋ
[12:25] <imsu> 나 잠깐 밥 차리고 올게 ㅋㅋ
[12:25] <acooda> 오래 한다 멋지다 'ㅡ';
[12:29] <imsu> 뭘 오래해? ㅋㅋ
[12:29] <imsu> 완성~ 계란 볶음밥 ㅋㅋ
[12:30] <imsu> acooda, 요즘은 뭐가지고 노시나? ㅋㅋ
[12:30] <acooda> 그저.. 빈둥빈둥
[12:31] <acooda> 언제 한번 넘어오시게 같이 빈둥거리게 'ㅡ'
[12:31] <imsu> 뭐 재미난거 없을까?  이런 브라질.. daum무비 다운로드 엑기스엑스.. 이런 브라질..
[14:47] <bridgebot> ^-^ : [움트트움트] Deo Gratias
[15:46] <bridgebot> ^-^ : [움트트움트] Deo Gratias
[17:46] <Bellamy> 안녕하세요
[19:51] <ChristopherNg> Q/
[19:52] <ChristopherNg> Hello Seony how are you today?
[19:53] <Seony> hey, i woke up 30  minutes ago.
[19:53] <ChristopherNg> Its 5am?
[19:53] <ChristopherNg> why so early?
[19:54] <Seony> 9:54 am
[19:54] <ChristopherNg> ah ok
[19:54] <ChristopherNg> well that international clock is wrong then
[19:54] <Seony> no you were right.
[19:55] <Seony> i don't live in s.korea that's why.
[19:55] <ChristopherNg> lol, I watched alot of those Pororo, they are only 5 mins long each.
[19:55] <ChristopherNg> heh
[19:56] <Seony> haha
[19:56] <ChristopherNg> watched half of a tale of two sisters, but its very slow movie.
[19:56] <ChristopherNg> Going to watch the other half later
[19:56] <Seony> yea, and pretty complicated.
[19:57] <ChristopherNg> your kids watch that penguin?
[19:57] <ChristopherNg> its almost like Pingu
[19:57] <ChristopherNg> which I remember from when I was young
[19:57] <Seony> i don't have kids yet.
[19:58] <ChristopherNg> ah ok, i thought thats how you knew the programme
[19:58] <Seony> pingu is the one of stars for kids, lol
[19:59] <Seony> i didn't know pingu actually, but wife told me that. she taught kids before.
[20:02] <ChristopherNg> Ah yeah, it was popular
[20:05] <Seony> i gotta go to have a breakfast.
[20:05] <Seony> see you later.
[20:07] <ChristopherNg> Q/


[01:29] <rick_h> pmatulis:  there's a bug on that, lots of debate
[01:30] <rick_h> pmatulis:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1832160
[01:30] <mup> Bug #1832160: juju offer doesn't support -m to act on non-current model <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1832160>
[02:08] <pmatulis> rick_h, awesome, thx
[06:52] <hpidcock> kelvinliu: added some comments to https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10449 looks really good otherwise
[06:55] <kelvinliu> ty4rw,
[11:26] <atdprhs> Hello everyone, I really need some help about https://github.com/jetstack/cert-manager/issues/641#issuecomment-399999436 , i don't know how to do this after conjure-up (which uses juju) kubernetes-core deployment, can anyone help me please?
[11:33] <rick_h> atdprhs:  interesting. I think the folks that work on k8s will have an idea or three. kwmonroe .../me tries to ping others but they're not in channel right now
[11:36] <atdprhs> thanks rick_h , do you know when they usually come online?
[11:37] <atdprhs> I've been stuck on this issue since more than a week tbh, been jumping up and down, scratched my head, pulled my hair, couldn't solve it lol
[11:43] <rick_h> atdprhs:  understand, they're coming online soon. It's US morning and folks are trickling in
[11:44] <atdprhs> Okay rick_h, I'll try to stay online as much as I can, I'm in Australia and it's 09:44 PM here...
[11:46] <rick_h> atdprhs:  ah, understand. We've got some folks that hack on juju that are aussies
[11:46] <atdprhs> really? That'd be nice, I'll stay for another 1 hour, and if noone came online, I'll try to check with the aussies here in the morning
[11:47] <rick_h> atdprhs:  the issue is that we need the k8s folks I think and they're US based
[11:47] <rick_h> atdprhs:  if you want, the best bet might be your morning and try to catch them near EOD
[11:49] <atdprhs> 08:00 AM Sydney is 6:00 PM in Washington, DC
[11:49] <atdprhs> Would that be a good timing?
[11:49] <rick_h> atdprhs:  tight, but maybe
[12:43] <kwmonroe> rick_h: that LE/resolv.conf issue feels really familiar.  i'll poll the team at standup and have something we can relay to atdprhs when they come back online.
[20:11] <hml> fixing annoying intermittent unit test fail, anyone up for a quick review?
[20:12] <hml> https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10475
[22:52] <atdprhs> Hello everyone, I really need some help about https://github.com/jetstack/cert-manager/issues/641#issuecomment-399999436 , i don't know how to do this after conjure-up (which uses juju) kubernetes-core deployment, can anyone help me please?
[23:43] <timClicks> atdprhs: from memory, you can use "juju scp kubernetes-master/0:config ~/.kube/config", then follow those steps as advertised
[23:54] <atdprhs> timClicks : yes, but how can I run kubeadm
[23:55] <atdprhs> I don't know how to run `kubeadm init --apiserver-cert-extra-sans="mydomainhere.com" --pod-network-cidr="<IP_ADDRESS>/16" --service-cidr="<IP_ADDRESS>/12" --apiserver-advertise-address="<IP_ADDRESS>"`
[23:57] <atdprhs> All of my pods can't communicate with any HTTPs, my cert-manager gets `cert-manager/controller/clusterissuers "msg"="error setting up issuer" "error"="Get https://acme-staging-v02.api.letsencrypt.org/directory: x509: certificate is valid for ingress.local, not acme-staging-v02.api.letsencrypt.org" "resource_kind"="ClusterIssuer" "resource_name"="le
[23:57] <atdprhs> tsencrypt-staging" "resource_namespace"=""` and my other pods are also reporting similar issue like `https://github.com/...: x509: certificate is valid for ingress.local`
[23:57] <atdprhs> but any local https website is okay to go


[09:17] <paranoid> hi , is the Xubuntu interface available for UBUNTUstudio as i don't like the xfce interface
[09:18] <zequence> paranoid: Not sure what you are asking. Xubuntu uses XFCE, and Ubuntu Studio uses a custom version of that
[09:19] <paranoid> with an easy way . i need the desktop to look like ubuntu the original which means a more beautiful desktop
[09:23] <zequence> paranoid: Ok, so you are not wanting to use XFCE, but Unity instead?
[09:23] <zequence> paranoid: you are free to install any desktop system you like
[09:23] <paranoid> tell me how please
[09:24] <zequence> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:25] <tadpole> :D
[09:27] <zequence> paranoid: If you instead want a clean installation of Ubuntu, with Ubuntu Studio packages on top ot if, install Ubuntu first. Then add, for instance, ubuntustudio-audio and linux-lowlatency. Finish by adding yourself to audio group - and you have most of the Ubuntu Studio audio apps and configs
[09:29] <paranoid> oh oh no i need some themes only .
[09:31] <tadpole> ;/
[09:31] <zequence> paranoid: Have a look at xfce-look.org then
[09:32] <zequence> paranoid: Or are you asking us how to change the theme?
[09:33] <zequence> It's one of the system preference apps. Don't remember which one
[09:33] <paranoid> it will be kind of you if u tell me how to change it after istalling the pack which u gave me
[09:33] <tadpole> oh boy
[09:33] <tadpole> :D
[09:34] <tadpole> if you install ubuntu-desktop then your not needing xfce themes.
[09:34] <paranoid> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop this command will do everything r8 ?
[09:34] <paranoid> now it's downloading some kind of files
[09:35] <zequence> paranoid: You can abort with ctrl+c
[09:35] <zequence> If you don't want to install Unity, abort
[09:35] <zequence> First you say you want the desktop look like Ubuntu
[09:35] <zequence> Now you say you want to only change a theme
[09:36] <zequence> Ubuntu does not use XFCE
[09:37] <zequence> paranoid: Have you never used the the "apt-get install" command? It will install applications on your machine
[09:37] <paranoid> i thought that UBUNTU theme  is a theme on XFCE but now i understand
[09:37] <tadpole> Desktop Environments
[09:38] <tadpole> Unity Gnome KDE XFCE LMDE............
[09:38] <zequence> Ubuntu only has a theme on Unity
[09:38] <tadpole> with window managers
[09:38] <paranoid> i onlu use the ubuntu software centre  to get the apps
[09:38] <tadpole> :/
[09:38] <tadpole> Atleast use synaptic
[09:39] <zequence> It's perfectly fine to use the software center
[09:39] <tadpole> to each there own. :)
[09:39] <tadpole> +0
[09:39] <tadpole> err
[09:39] <tadpole> o
[09:39] <paranoid> i am an amateur in LINUX , imagine to use WINDOWS for 10 years and now u r changing everything u learnt
[09:39] <zequence> tadpole: Are you on Ubuntu Studio?
[09:39] <paranoid> aha
[09:40] <tadpole> lilypad 3.5.0-26-lowlatency #28-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 19 10:32:21 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:40] <tadpole> ;/
[09:40] <zequence> tadpole: I mean, the desktop system. I was going to ask you to show the guy where you can change the theme
[09:41] <zequence> I'm not on XFCE myself right now. Maybe in a couple of minutes
[09:41] <paranoid> i know the place i changed it many times before
[09:42] <zequence> paranoid: Ok, So you want to install more themes?
[09:42] <tadpole> Click Menu> Settings> Settings Manager>Appearance>Styles   Pick one.
[09:42] <paranoid> take a look on this site . this themes is available for me r8 ?
[09:42] <paranoid> http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=alpha&page=0&xcontentmode=15x100x420
[09:43] <zequence> paranoid: I think all of those will work, yes
[09:43] <paranoid> thanks god
[09:43] <tadpole> https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[09:43] <paranoid> and thank you man
[09:44] <zequence> np
[14:34] <tjingboem> i have by default Jack 1 running. How can i switch to jack2?
[14:35] <holstein> tjingboem: what operating system?
[14:35] <tjingboem> US12.04
[14:35] <tjingboem> with my new Delta1010
[14:35] <holstein> tjingboem: the hardware is irrelevant
[14:36] <tjingboem> just wanted to say because i'm very ahppy with it :)
[14:37] <holstein> i think its a good value/quality choice
[14:37] <tjingboem> it is reallly
[14:37] <tjingboem> i had an audiophile 2496
[14:37] <tjingboem> but i think this one sounds even better
[14:37] <tjingboem> it has the same chip
[14:38] <holstein> tjingboem: why did you change from jack2?
[14:38] <tjingboem> when i installed US12.04 Jack1 wad the default
[14:38] <tjingboem> don't konow why
[14:39] <tjingboem> perhaps it picked something up because i did format my /home??
[14:39] <holstein> tjingboem: is everything working?
[14:39] <tjingboem> it is working yes
[14:39] <tjingboem> but i like claudia
[14:40] <tjingboem> for patching everything to anything
[14:40] <tjingboem> for example, now i don't have sound in Firefox
[14:40] <holstein> i usually go with "if it aint broke" philosophy.. but if you open synaptic and search "jack" and/or "jackd" you should see the version you have/want
[14:40] <holstein> tjingboem: stop jack, and firefox will work
[14:40] <holstein> with pulse
[14:41] <tjingboem> can i use pulse-jack you think?
[14:41] <holstein> tjingboem: you can do what you like.. but do you need it?
[14:41] <holstein> do you need audio in the browser while running jack?
[14:42] <holstein> it works out of the box with ubuntustudio.. or should
[14:42] <holstein> tjingboem: what would i do? try the live CD, and see if its worth the hassle
[14:42] <tjingboem> i like to be able to record sound from Firefox too
[14:42] <tjingboem> ah, it is a hassle...
[14:42] <holstein> why?
[14:43] <tjingboem> no, your words: " see if its worth the hassle"
[14:43] <holstein> i cant imagine what you would be doing that way that isnt recording something you either, could ask for a copy of, or shouldnt be recording
[14:44] <holstein> sure.. but thats not a hassle. its just recording content that you are not supposed to
[14:44] <holstein> i usually just ask for a copy
[14:44] <tjingboem> my daughter wants some music from youtube clips
[14:44] <holstein> i dont condone copying/stealing.. but there are a lot easier ways (if one were to google) to obtain a copy of youtube audio
[14:45] <holstein> tjingboem: you can email and ask the creator for a copy of the audio.. the youtube agreement is not "copy what you like"..
[14:45] <holstein> im just saying.. i wouldnt let piracy dicate what packages i have installed on my system
[14:46] <tjingboem> okay, thanks for your opinion
[14:46] <tjingboem> but is jack2 etter", perhaps more stable then jack1?
[14:47] <tjingboem> "better"
[14:47] <holstein> tjingboem: btw. thats not opinion.. but we can let that go
[14:47] <holstein> tjingboem: "better" is a matter of opinion
[14:48] <tjingboem> i had KXStudio before
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: i wouldnt lose sleep over upgrading to jack2 if things were stable.. unless i needed or wanted jack2
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: you can install the kxstudio ppa's if you like
[14:48] <tjingboem> i was used to jack2 and claudia and such
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: go for it
[14:48] <holstein> tjingboem: jack2 is in the ubuntustudio repos and the kxstudio ppa's as well
[14:48] <tjingboem> no i already have the PPA from KXStudio
[14:49] <holstein> tjingboem: cool.. you are not using ubuntustudio then
[14:49] <tjingboem> but wondered why jack1 is on my computer - i have read that jack2 is default
[14:49] <holstein> tjingboem: could be any number of reasons, since you have ppa's added
[14:50] <tjingboem> i used the disc form US12.04 version 2 and installed the PPA from KX
[14:50] <holstein> tjingboem: it is default in ubuntu 12.04.. but you are not using that
[14:50] <zequence> tjingboem: jackd2 is default on Ubuntu Studio
[14:50] <holstein> tjingboem: correct.. you can load up a live CD and se that in action
[14:50] <holstein> tjingboem: othewise.. you are not using ubuntustudio 12.04
[14:50] <tjingboem> all right, i will do that - good idea
[14:51] <holstein> what would i do? open synaptic and install what i want.. catch falk and ask about using jack2 in kxstudio.. try jack2 from live CD and see if its worth it (or do my piracy from there, though i dont do piracy anymore)
[14:52] <zequence> I believe kxstudio only has jack2
[14:52] <zequence> He makes a custom build of it, which is not the same as we have
[14:52] <holstein> zequence: i was thinking it could be something like that that is "breaking" the jack2 from our repos, and causing it to drop down
[14:53] <zequence> If you add kxstudio, it may be a bit tricky to revert back to non kxstudio
[14:54] <zequence> Well, for someone not used to doing things like taht
[14:54] <zequence> I think his jack just replaces the Debian/Ubuntu one
[14:54] <zequence> Or, in other words, the kxstudio jack replaces the Debian/Ubuntu jack
[14:54] <holstein> zequence: i think you are correct
[14:56] <zequence> tjingboem: If you want support on kxstudio, there's #kxstudio
[14:57] <tjingboem> i know - thank you
[14:58] <tjingboem> i now realize i use kxstudio...
[20:20] <roverrb> can qmidiroute interface to the desktop manager, allowing midi control of cycling thru virtual desktops?
[20:20] <holstein> roverrb: that im aware of, the desktop manager doesnt do that
[20:21] <holstein> roverrb: i would try looking for, or setting a command or key combo for the DE management, and emulate that with the midi you want to use
[20:21] <len-dt> PD might be the better interface for that.
[20:23] <len-dt> PD = PureData
[22:29] <Squishy> Hi everyone.
[22:30] <zequence> Squishy: Hello there
[22:32] <Squishy> Just wanted to say Hi. I'm new to Linux but I've played around with it before. Ubuntu studio is my first serious install
[22:32] <zequence> Cool
[22:32] <zequence> Which version is it?
[22:32] <zequence> 12.04, 12.10?
[22:33] <zequence> I would either recommend 12.04, or our upcoming release 13.04
[22:33] <zequence> Depends a bit on what you'r planning to do
[22:33] <Squishy> 12.10 i think. I downloaded the latest version using YUMI for windows.
[22:34] <Squishy> 64 bit if it makes any major difference.
[22:34] <zequence> not really
[22:35] <zequence> Here's our beta1 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.04/beta-1/
[22:35] <zequence> of 13.04
[22:35] <zequence> Final release next month
[22:36] <Squishy> Yeah I'll not bother with a Beta. I can just about work firefox on Linux distros nevermind anything else lol.
[22:39] <zequence> The beta is just fine
[22:39] <zequence> I'd recommend it over 12.10 anyhow
[22:39] <zequence> There are a couple of bugs in both 12.04 and 12.10 that haven't been straightened out yet
[22:40] <Squishy> Can i update from 12.10 to the beta via terminal?
[22:40] <zequence> Yes, and that's something we're encouraging people to test right now actually
[22:41] <zequence> sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:41] <zequence> If that doesn't work, you can try: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[22:42] <Squishy> I'm in Scotland by the way. Will this mess up my local settings like keyboard layout/time zone and such?
[22:42] <zequence> No
[22:42] <Squishy> Newbie remember? Sorry.
[22:42] <Squishy> Ok thanks. I'll do that now
[22:42] <zequence> No worries.
[22:43] <Squishy> Didn't work. Used the -d as you said and that one worked
[22:44] <zequence> the -d is for development release, so that makes sense
[22:44] <zequence> Squishy: what kind of graphic card do you have?
[22:45] <Squishy> Radeon something by AMD
[22:45] <zequence> ok. installing proprietary drivers might not work
[22:45] <zequence> If that is important, I'd go for 12.04
[22:46] <zequence> Should be AMD ATI, if it's fairly new
[22:46] <zequence> you could do: lspci | grep VGA
[22:46] <Squishy> Lucky for me i lost the original driver software a long time ago and it's never really bothered me. I'm not a gamer or anything
[22:46] <zequence> Works a bit differently on Linux when it comes to graphic drivers
[22:47] <Squishy> I use this laptop mainly for ripping my dvd collection and encoding video
[22:47] <zequence> There are free, open source drivers for all sorts of graphic cards, but only Intel writes their own free drivers
[22:48] <zequence> The AMD free drivers are farily decent. Actually, both AMD and NVIDIA are good enough for playing 3d games
[22:48] <Squishy> I'll install sysinfo and tell you ina  moment
[22:48] <zequence> lspci works just as well
[22:48] <Squishy> I need to install sysinfo anyway
[22:49] <Squishy> and i have no idea how to get that pipeline in my text
[22:50] <zequence> Squishy: If you encounter any problems doing the upgrade, I'd appreciate if you let me know.
[22:50] <Squishy> used lspci and this is what i got 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Trinity [Radeon HD 7520G]
[22:50] <Squishy> yeah no problems so far but i'll be sure to let you know
[22:52] <Squishy> This is a dual boot with win7 by the way. ubuntu is installed on a 40GB partition. I assume this update wont affect that?
[22:52] <zequence> Anytime you update the kernel, grub will be updated
[22:53] <zequence> Upgrading to a new release is no different
[22:53] <zequence> grub is the Ubuntu boot loader
[22:54] <Squishy> Ok thanks. I'll pick this up soon enough at the moment i'm just sort of swimming in a sea of jargon.
[22:55] <Squishy> Decided to switch over from Windows after considering the stress relieving properties of throwing my windows laptop against the wall and calling it some rather offensive names.
[22:56] <Squishy> 12 crashes in one day (yeah i counted after the 3rd crash) was enough of a push for me.
[22:57] <zequence> Windows can do that to you. When you have problems with Ubuntu though, it feels totally different, cause very often, you can just google it, find out why you have a problem, and do all the plumming yourself to fix it
[22:58] <zequence> Or you ask someone. You may even ask the developer directly in many cases
[22:58] <Squishy> Mmm I'm not big on asking questions. I like to learn myself.
[22:59] <zequence> I should also recommend you to check out #opensourcemusicians, which is the most popular linux audio user channel
[22:59] <zequence> Then you have #jack, #ardour and a few others
[23:00] <zequence> #kxstudio is fairly popular too. It's a OS based on Ubuntu
[23:00] <zequence> Some people add it to Ubuntu Studio
[23:00] <Squishy> Actually just off the top of my head is ubuntu studio suitable for professional audio work straight out the box or would it need a fair bit of tweaking first?
[23:01] <zequence> 13.04 is definately ready
[23:01] <holstein> Squishy: also, it depends on what you do
[23:01] <holstein> Squishy: ardour and JACK are capable.. but not trivial to get running
[23:01] <zequence> Squishy: low latency ready. No configs needed
[23:01] <Squishy> one of my friends runs a recording studio so does a lot of work with audio. He worls mostly with mac but i'll recommend this to him
[23:02] <zequence> !proaudio
[23:02] <holstein> Squishy: i do tracking, mixing, and mastering professionally with these tools.. i could do it from an ubuntustudio live CD
[23:02] <zequence> Squishy: One thing to check out in that case is Ardour 3
[23:02] <zequence> Which is not installed on Ubuntu Studio. It'll come with 13.10
[23:04] <Squishy> almost finished the upgrade. No problems so far, very smooth.
[23:04] <holstein> im running 12.04, and will likely keep my pro audio machine on 12.04
[23:05] <holstein> not that there is anything wrong with the other releases
[23:06] <zequence> 12.04 is LTS, and will be supported for many years. 12.10 will be supported for 1 1/2. 13.04 only for 9 months
[23:06] <zequence> From now on, all non LTS release will only be supported for 9 months
[23:06] <zequence> There's also a possible trend starting where people use the development release - not recommended, but it's more or less as stable as releases
[23:13] <Squishy> Just got asked if i want to enable realtime process priority with jackd
[23:13] <Squishy> I have no idea if i want to do that or not
[23:13] <zequence> Really? Answer yes by all means
[23:14] <zequence> Squishy: Could you check something else. See if you are in audio group, using the command: groups
[23:14] <zequence> Without realtime priority, you can't get reliable operation at lower latencies.
[23:16] <Squishy> where do i use the command groups?
[23:16] <zequence> just in a terminal
[23:16] <zequence> You should get a list of groups you are member of. One of them should be audio
[23:17] <Squishy> No i got this adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[23:17] <zequence> Squishy: This makes me suspect you are not on Ubuntu Studio at all
[23:17] <holstein> yeah.. i would fresh install.. or just use the live cd
[23:17] <zequence> An upgrade would not change those things
[23:18] <zequence> So, that's not the problem here
[23:18] <zequence> I think what you installed in the first place was not UBuntu Studio
[23:18] <Squishy> I downloaded the iso from the website, put it on a flash drive and installed from the flash drive
[23:18] <holstein> Squishy: what iso?
[23:19] <Squishy> I went here http://ubuntustudio.org/download/ and downloaded the 64 bit iso
[23:20] <Squishy> ubuntustudio-12.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[23:20] <zequence> Squishy: You were using Yumi you said. Sure you added the ISO, or you added something else?
[23:20] <zequence> The groups won't change until you reboot
[23:21] <zequence> Did you already do that, btw?
[23:22] <Squishy> YUMI = Your Universal Multiboot Installer. It just let's me have a load of bootable stuff on one flash drive and choose between them. I use it for re-installing windows and keeping a lot of recovery stuff on one flash drive
[23:22] <Squishy> not re-booted yet no. still upgrading
[23:22] <holstein> maybe you chose the wrong one
[23:24] <Squishy> nope. My terminal has my name followed by @Ubuntu-Studio and it's the same when i log in.
[23:24] <Squishy> Not to mention the slideshow and welcome messages during my install all sayign ubuntu-studio
[23:25] <zequence> It's very weird
[23:25] <holstein> Squishy: you made that name at login, though it seems you have ubuntustudio
[23:26] <zequence> Squishy: You'll need to add yourself to audio group, to get realtime privilege: sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
[23:26] <zequence> "groups" won't show it until you logout and login again
[23:27] <Squishy> ok. I'll do that once the upgrade is finished. should be fairly soon it's been unpacking and processing triggers for a while now
[23:29] <zequence> Squishy: To see which kernel you are on: uname -r
[23:29] <zequence> should be something like 3.8.0-12-lowlatency
[23:30] <Squishy> I'd like to look up to see just how far over my head what you just said was but i'm scared i'll break my neck.
[23:31] <zequence> Squishy: That's the part of your OS that is actually Linux
[23:31] <zequence> The core of it all, the kernel
[23:31] <zequence> There are two kinds for Ubuntu
[23:31] <zequence> linux-generic, and linux-lowlatency
[23:32] <Squishy> Ok.
[23:32] <zequence> linux-lowlatency is the Ubuntu Studio special kernel. It's more or less a clone of linux-generic, but with some tiny changes to make it perform well at lower latencies
[23:33] <zequence> Everything else, all the applications, the window manager, the console, all that, is not Linux
[23:34] <zequence> Ubuntu is really a GNU/Linux OS. GNU is a set of applications, such as bash which you run in the console
[23:34] <Squishy> yeah they are just programs written specifically to interact with the kernel am i right?
[23:35] <zequence> If you ever heard of Richard Stallman. He's the guy who started all of this. then at some point came Linus and wrote a kernel that made the OS complete
[23:35] <zequence> All applications interact with the kernel, really
[23:35] <zequence> But, the kernel itself can't really do anything
[23:35] <Squishy> Stallman...he created the unix kernel and Linus made a clone of that didnt he?
[23:35] <zequence> No, Stallman set out to create a free version of Unix
[23:36] <zequence> And created GNU
[23:36] <Squishy> oh
[23:36] <zequence> There's a GNU kernel as well, called HURD, but after 30 years, they're still working on it
[23:36] <zequence> It's a bit more complicated
[23:37] <zequence> Or, I should say, the kernel can't boot itself. It manages all the programs, and makes sure they all get access to HW, and their share of CPU, etc
[23:38] <zequence> The linux kernel also contains a massive amount of drivers
[23:38] <zequence> That's why when you install Linux, you don't need to install drivers for most common HW. It's all included
[23:40] <Squishy> laptop froze for a moment there
[23:40] <Squishy> but i have this in the terminal Unpacking linux-image-3.8.0-12-lowlatency
[23:41] <zequence> That's the latest linux-lowlatency. You'll want that if you are going to do any kind of live audio
[23:44] <Squishy> Dennis Ritchie. That's the Unix guy i was thinking about
[23:44] <Squishy> That was bugging me
[23:45] <zequence> Yeah, he was one of the authors of the original UNIX
[23:45] <zequence> That, and the C programming language, which basically all modern programming languages are based on
[23:45] <zequence> And not to say, all OSs are written in
[23:46] <Squishy> Yeah, The guy was a legend. Shame Jobs went first. He deserved a lot more media coverage
[23:47] <Squishy> Only reason i know of him was because of a conversation i overheard
[23:50] <zequence> I think Jobs might have introduced the personal computer to the home a bit sooner than it would have otherwise, and some things became norm. In the long run, when computers no longer look anything like they did in the 80s, I think somehow the legacy of Ritchie might be a bit more longlived
[23:51] <zequence> I think of Jobs as a sociopathic fashion geek, but maybe I'm just not getting his genious.
[23:51] <zequence> A relentless businessman too
[23:52] <Squishy> I think of jobs as the manifestation of the sin of hypocrisy.
[23:53] <zequence> Richard Stallman is the father of free software though. He not only started the GNU OS, but also wrote the GPL license, under which the Linux kernel, and so many other applications are licensed under
[23:54] <Squishy> As far as i'm aware macs take free software and slap a proprietary GUI onto them then charge you through the nose to use it.
[23:54] <zequence> OSX has a lot of UNIX and free software in it, yes
[23:54] <zequence> But, not iOS
[23:55] <zequence> OSX uses a version of the BSD kernel, I think. Also, the X window system, which is the same that all Linux based uses
[23:55] <Squishy> Maybe that's just me being Biased. I've never liked apple since i got forced to use it at school and i find a lot of iProduct users to be rather pretentious.
[23:58] <zequence> I have a iBook3 actually. Got it from a friend recently. Installed latest Debian on it. Works ok
[23:59] <zequence> Belongs in a museum by now
[23:59] <Squishy> never even heard of the iBook3 is it new?
[23:59] <Squishy> oh, apparenlty not lol


[01:27] <blahdeblah> What's the name of the API that charms.reactive uses to send data between layers?  Is it charms.reactive.bus?
[01:45] <blahdeblah> Or maybe it wasn't in charms.reactive - does charmhelpers.core.unitdata ring any bells?
[05:40] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: unitdata.kv is best
[06:51] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: thanks!
[18:25] <lazypower_> hellooo 2016. o/ bring on your juju questions, your tired charmers, and lets make this the year of juju
[18:26] <rick_h_> lazyPower: :P
[18:26] <lazyPower> little pep talk to get me back in the spirit of things :)
[18:27] <rick_h_> lazyPower: wfm
[18:31] <marcoceppi> \o/
[20:24] <bdxbdx> Hey whats going on guys? Happy New Year!
[20:26] <bdxbdx> I have a few questions regarding the review queue....I feel like I have tried to get a charm to the queue by adding "charmers" to the reviewers of my charm branch upon mr
[20:26] <bdxbdx> MR
[20:26] <bdxbdx> although, I can't get it to populate in the review queue, is there something I'm missing here?
[20:27] <marcoceppi> bdxbdx: is it an openstack charm?
[20:27] <bdxbdx> marcoceppi: no
[20:27] <marcoceppi> link?
[20:27] <bdxbdx> marcoceppi: https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesbeedy/charms/trusty/fiche/trunk
[20:29] <marcoceppi> bdxbdx: where's the bug?
[20:30] <bdxbdx> marcoceppi: there is none
[20:30] <marcoceppi> bdxbdx: well, you need one to get a new charm into the review queue
[20:30] <bdxbdx> marcoceppi: exactly....
[20:30] <marcoceppi> bdxbdx: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store#submitting-a-new-charm
[20:31] <marcoceppi> bdxbdx: here's a better link: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-store#recommended-charms
[20:31] <bdxbdx> marcoceppi: awesome, that is just what I was looking for


[04:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL25582aaef448: Fix capitlization] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL25582aaef448
 please someone test https://phab.lubuntu.me/P65 and give me your comments, I think is a good option to improve theming becasue we could define our own color-schemes (I like the dark telegram)
[16:58] <Tuxist> i have been create to to switch between pulseadio and pipewire https://launchpad.net/~jan-koester/+archive/ubuntu/pipewiremaster/+packages
[16:58] <Tuxist> called audioswitch
[20:16] <wxl> @teward001 as it turns out the fix for that github auth thing is stupid easy https://github.com/discourse/discourse-github/commit/82044bfca2d16abf0210906717e344767ac4cf4a
[20:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T137: improve theming] Noumeno (Roberto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T137#3140


[00:57] <SkippersBoss> where can i find the list of applications shipped with XU 12.10 ??
[01:50] <bluesabre> http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/xubuntu-desktop
[01:51] <bluesabre> See the related packages
[01:51] <bluesabre> There's probably a better way to do that, using !ubottu
[01:52] <bluesabre> ^ SkippersBoss
[01:53] <bluesabre> (From earlier, in case the person I'm looking for missed it...)
[01:53] <bluesabre> Question... what needs to be in the .desktop file to add it to the Settings Manager?
[01:53] <bluesabre> I'm trying to add MenuLibre to the Settings Manager.  It currently is available in Ubuntu's Settings Manager too, so this string is quite long for that reason...
[01:53] <bluesabre> Categories=XFCE;GNOME;GTK;System;Settings;X-GNOME-Settings-Panel;X-GNOME-PersonalSettings;DesktopSettings;X-XFCE;
[01:56] <Unit193> Categories=GNOME;X-XFCE;Settings;DesktopSettings; Works for Xfce settings manager.
[11:12] <ochosi> mr_pouit: can we please pull this fix for abiword? http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13301
[11:15] <mr_pouit> :>
[11:19] <mr_pouit> ochosi: if it involves uploading a new snapshot, not for me before FF :3 (if it's just a patch I'll do it tonight after catfish & lightdm-gtk-greeter)
[11:24] <ochosi> mr_pouit: right, since i wasn't able to browse their svn online i don't know yet, couldn't look at the changes...
[11:25] <mr_pouit> indicator-sound (12.10.0-0ubuntu2) quantal; urgency=low
[11:25] <mr_pouit> * Drop GTK2 build since ido stopped providing support for that version
[11:25] <mr_pouit> one day before feature freeze \o/
[11:25] <ochosi> :(
[11:25] <mr_pouit> how nice
[11:25] <ochosi> a**holes
[11:26] <ochosi> so we have to drop indicator-sound i guess?
[11:26] <ochosi> or can we upload a separate version from 12.04?
[11:29] <mr_pouit> I've given up with seb128 a long time ago, I'll let knome talk with the release team
[11:30] <ochosi> mhm, sounds ok
[11:35] <mr_pouit> bah, that was scheduled
[11:36] <mr_pouit> that would have been better to remove them earlier ;>
[11:37] <ochosi> yeah, definitely
[11:37] <mr_pouit> I'm gonna hate Xfce for not moving to gtk3
[11:39] <ochosi> yes, we all will...
[11:39] <ochosi> and i think the longer 4.12 will take the more they'll feel like moving to gtk3 for 4.12 after all
[11:40] <ochosi> simply because gtk3 will feel more stable and consolidated then
[11:40] <ochosi> (it already is tbh)
[11:40] <ochosi> (although there are still theming issues with each new version)
[11:59] <micahg> mr_pouit: do you have time to upload the gtk2 indicator stack renamed at some point (with FFe even)?
[12:00] <mr_pouit> not before FF, but no problem otherwise
[12:00] <mr_pouit> micahg: ^
[12:00] <micahg> ok
[12:01] <ochosi> will it still work?
[12:01] <micahg> yeah
[12:01] <ochosi> hmkay
[12:01] <micahg> we're just bug/feature frozen
[12:01] <ochosi> are there more indicators that are dropping gtk2 support last minute?
[12:01] <micahg> well, assuming they didn't change the API in the latest version (which ted said they weren't going to do)
[12:02] <mr_pouit> ahahahah (sorry, it's nervous)
[12:59] <knome> humm?
[12:59] <SkippersBoss> yoga again ?
[13:00] <smartboyhw> yoga?
[13:00] <knome> SkippersBoss, this ain't -offtopic :P
[13:00] <smartboyhw> knome: Agree...
[13:01] <SkippersBoss> not enough coffee in my system I do apologise (again)
[13:17] <bluesabre> ochosi: For catfish, I suppose the desktop file patch could still apply, though I don't imagine that having "Encoding=UTF-8" in a desktop file would be a problem.  The other two patches are invalid.
[13:18] <mr_pouit> bluesabre: even the last one to prevent a crash?
[13:18] <mr_pouit> (Encoding=UTF-8 isn't an issue, it's deprecated, that's all)
[13:28] <bluesabre> mr_pouit: Ah, I should probably add that to the main code then.  I thought load_icon fell back on the missing image code.
[13:28] <bluesabre> We'll want to change the patch to work with python-gi
[13:29] <bluesabre> from gi._glib import GError
[13:29] <bluesabre> except GError
[13:33] <bluesabre> Here we go
[13:33] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1160798/
[13:33] <bluesabre> mr_pouit ^
[13:35] <bluesabre> I can have that included for <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:41] <mr_pouit> bluesabre: also, please exclude .bzr from your next tarball :)
[13:41] <bluesabre> Woops
[13:41] <bluesabre> I'll be sure to make a note of that
[13:42] <mr_pouit> thanks, I'll use the updated version of the patch when I upload the new catfish
[13:42] <bluesabre> mr_pouit, Are you going to update the patch or should I crank out a bugfix release?
[13:42] <mr_pouit> no, I can go with the patch, but if you're motivated enough for a new upstream release, do it :P
[13:43] <mr_pouit> (after all, that means less work for me)
[14:03] <bluesabre> mr_pouit, okay, you win.  <IP_ADDRESS>  https://launchpad.net/catfish-search
[14:53] <knome> anybody here for the meeting?
[14:54] <ochosi> o/
[14:56] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:57]  * genii-around makes coffee
[14:57] <ochosi> knome: if you don't have time and if there aren't too many -devs around for team-updates, what about a lightning meeting? (==15mins)
[14:58] <knome> yes, that sounds good
[14:58] <knome> let me get some clothes on first...
[14:59] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu comminty meeting
[14:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Aug 22 14:59:17 2012 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:59] <knome> community too
[14:59] <knome> #meetingtopic Xubuntu community meeting
[15:00] <knome> #info this will be a lightning meeting for the lack of attendees and items in the agenda
[15:00] <bluesabre> \o/
[15:00] <knome> thus, we will not follow the usual agenda
[15:00] <knome> #topic Open action items
[15:01] <knome> #nick astraljava
[15:01] <knome> #action astraljava to look into disabling compositor on live CD
[15:01] <meetingology> ACTION: astraljava to look into disabling compositor on live CD
[15:01] <knome> #action xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker
[15:01] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker
[15:01] <knome> #action xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management
[15:01] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management
[15:02] <knome> #action xubuntu-team to add launchers specified in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps to xfce settings manager
[15:02] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-team to add launchers specified in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps to xfce settings manager
[15:02] <knome> #action xubuntu-team to make sure other "settings" launchers will show up if needed
[15:02] <meetingology> ACTION: xubuntu-team to make sure other "settings" launchers will show up if needed
[15:02] <knome> that's it
[15:02] <knome> #topic Other carried on items
[15:02] <knome> looks like many of these are astraljava's, skipping those since he isn't around
[15:03] <knome> #subtopic Strategy Document review
[15:03] <GridCube> ._.
[15:03] <knome> i know i promised to send yet another mail for reviewing the new SD
[15:03] <knome> i didn't, but you are free to raise issues now, as promised
[15:03] <knome> and we've really had quite a lot of time
[15:04] <bluesabre> woops, real meeting here
[15:04] <bluesabre> in the office
[15:04] <bluesabre> bbl
[15:04] <knome> exact wording might be revisited later, but is there any issues with the content?
[15:05] <ochosi> it's been a while since i read it, but i think i'm fine with it
[15:05] <GridCube> i havent seen any
[15:05] <knome> i haven't seen any been raised either, so..
[15:05] <GridCube> it seems pretty fine
[15:06] <knome> let's have a quick vote whatsoever
[15:06] <knome> +1 for yes, -1 for no
[15:06] <knome> #vote Approve new Strategy Document
[15:06] <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve new Strategy Document
[15:06] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:06] <ochosi> +1
[15:06] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[15:06] <knome> -0, recusing myself as the main rewriter
[15:06] <knome> -0
[15:06] <knome> bah
[15:06] <knome> +0
[15:06] <meetingology> +0 received from knome
[15:06] <smartboyhw> +1
[15:06] <meetingology> +1 received from smartboyhw
[15:06] <knome> then...
[15:07] <GridCube> 0
[15:07] <meetingology> 0 received from GridCube
[15:07] <GridCube> i havent really apported to it so i cant comment further
[15:07] <knome> GridCube, if possible, can you take a stance?
[15:07] <GridCube> ok
[15:07] <GridCube> +1
[15:07] <meetingology> +1 received from GridCube
[15:07] <mr_pouit> +1
[15:07] <meetingology> +1 received from mr_pouit
[15:07] <knome> if you've read it and it looks fine, i'd think it as +1
[15:08] <knome> i'm mostly asking if there something like "i will get all the power i want" and you don't approve
[15:08] <knome> oops, it was like that before
[15:08] <knome> ;)
[15:08] <knome> anybody else up for voting on the new strategy document?
[15:09] <jjfrv8> Does the current version include my suggestions?
[15:09] <knome> jjfrv8, iirc, those are about wording, and such?
[15:09] <jjfrv8> Affirmative
[15:09] <knome> jjfrv8, i haven't been able to go through those yet, but i will do that before making it public
[15:09] <knome> so no, but will do
[15:09] <jjfrv8> :-)
[15:10] <knome> (grammar and that stuff isn't what we are voting, content is :))
[15:10] <jjfrv8> Sorry.
[15:10] <knome> no problem
[15:10] <knome> good to have that sorted
[15:10] <knome> #endvote
[15:10] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve new Strategy Document
[15:10] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[15:10] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:10] <smartboyhw> YEAH
[15:11] <knome> #action knome to make the new SD public after doing final review on grammar etc.
[15:11] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to make the new SD public after doing final review on grammar etc.
[15:11] <knome> #topic Team updates
[15:11] <knome> just go wild, let's not go by category
[15:11] <knome> (and please remember to use #info)
[15:12] <ochosi> #info greybird from git master should currently be bug-free with quantal
[15:12]  * knome is afk here and there, but will follow
[15:12] <ochosi> #info patches for gtk3.5 were pulled from the respective branch, plus a few new fixes. testing it is highly encouraged!
[15:12] <ochosi> #info bluebird and albatross need more testing
[15:13] <ochosi> #info parole got a new maintenance release (<IP_ADDRESS>) and catfish got a new release (0.4.0)
[15:13] <mr_pouit> #info fixed crash in Thunar; uploaded parole 0.3.0.[0123]; cleaned up xubuntu-artwork from pre-precise themes and stuff
[15:14] <mr_pouit> (will upload catfish tonight)
[15:16] <knome> #info bug #1001936 fixed for .1
[15:17] <knome> #info docs rewrite is going forward at http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu/12.10
[15:17] <knome> #topic Announcements
[15:17] <knome> #info FEATURE FREEZE is TOMORROW (21UTC)
[15:18] <knome> #info USER INTERFACE FREEZE is Aug 30th
[15:18] <knome> #info BETA 1 FREEZE is Aug 30th
[15:18] <knome> #info 12.04.1 will be released TOMORROW
[15:18] <knome> #info all dates in the quantal (and precise SRU) schedule can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[15:19] <knome> #topic Other items
[15:23] <GridCube> no other topics?
[15:23] <bluesabre> #info keyboard-shortcuts-overlay will be postponed
[15:23] <bluesabre> Due to lack of time to test and finish it
[15:24] <knome> yeah, i suppose that's POSTPONED
[15:24] <knome> (the blueprint work items, and the BP)
[15:24] <bluesabre> Yeah, I'll try to update those shortly
[15:24] <knome> i thought i did that
[15:24] <knome> if they are not, feel free to
[15:25] <knome> :)
[15:25] <knome> #endmeeting
[15:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug 22 15:25:25 2012 UTC.
[15:25] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-08-22-14.59.moin.txt
[15:25] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-08-22-14.59.html
[15:25] <knome> thanks, and sorry
[15:25] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[15:25] <knome> i'll update the minutes later
[16:02] <pleia2> sorry I missed the meeting
[18:43] <mr_pouit> bluesabre: what modules does catfish need? (except python-gi which is mandatory)
[18:43] <mr_pouit> I don't get any result here :/
[18:44] <bluesabre> mr_pouit: I think that's the only required one
[18:44] <bluesabre> python-xdg is strongly recommended
[18:46] <mr_pouit> bluesabre: I think python-xdg is necessary to get any result :/
[18:47] <mr_pouit> if I uninstall it, no result at all
[18:47] <bluesabre> Ah
[18:47] <bluesabre> Then I suppose
[18:47] <bluesabre> python-xdg is required :)
[18:47] <mr_pouit> Any idea why?
[18:47] <bluesabre> xdg.Mime
[18:47] <bluesabre> to get the mimetype
[18:47] <bluesabre> to display the proper icon and such
[18:49] <mr_pouit> no, I mean: why do I get zero result without it? :P
[18:51] <bluesabre> Ah
[18:52] <bluesabre> One sec
[18:53] <bluesabre> Well, tbh, it's because of the new mimetype filter more than likely
[18:53] <bluesabre> Since mime=None more than likely
[18:54] <mr_pouit> okay, I'll move python-xdg to Depends
[18:54] <bluesabre> Thanks
[18:54] <bluesabre> I think that's the reason
[18:54] <bluesabre> But that should fix it :)
[19:15] <mr_pouit> bluesabre: and uploaded, thanks :)
[19:19] <bluesabre> Yay!
[21:17] <knome> alternate images for .1 have been rebuilt.
[21:17] <knome> (should be.)


[00:58] <Jpratt> Does Ubuntu Mobile work on iPod's?
[01:35] <persia> Jpratt: No.  It currently requires an lpia processor (Intel A100/A110/Atom), some input device that works like a mouse, and is significantly improved by a keyboard.  Further, the minimum resolution is 800x480, although there are a number of bugs at less than 800x600.
[17:50] <javatexan> can you do ubuntu mobile for i386?
[18:59] <javatexan>  can you do ubuntu mobile for i386, or no...
[19:55] <javatexan> can one create a ubuntu-mobile with a generic ubuntu i386 kernel for testing and playing around?
[19:57] <javatexan> like in qemu or something
[22:35] <lool> asac: Around?
[22:35] <lool> javatexan: Yup
[22:35] <lool> javatexan: It's binary compatible with pentium


[02:51] <aaditya> pleia2: We talked about having a better IRC meeting schedule at some point. Do you think it'd be a good idea to implement a new schedule in 2011?
[02:51] <aaditya> Maybe we can discuss this further at the next meeting, which I think would be the last meeting of the year.
[03:18] <jdeslip> aaditya, what do you think could be improved?
[03:20] <jdeslip> Was it not always having the meeting on Sunday?
[03:24] <pleia2> yeah, I think we wanted to have a sunday and a weekday meeting
[03:26] <pleia2> actually talking about it on list probably makes more sense than at a meeting, since presumably people at meetings are the ones who can already come to meetings :)
[03:44] <MarkDude> pleia2, jdeslip  aaditya  irc at off-times may work *IF* we take relevant part of log- and put it on either the ML or Forum, maybe BOTH
[03:45]  * MarkDude thinks  that is one of the most useful parts of logging
[03:46] <MarkDude> That was explained to me in private by a few people at the upper levels of Ubuntu (and Canonical)
[03:46] <pleia2> we link to everything on the ML and forums already, pasting it all might be a bit much
[03:47] <MarkDude> BTW, I am for an extra meeting- if we share hilights in a easy manner- THAT would make it make sense
[03:47] <pleia2> not an extra meeting, just an alternative
[03:48] <pleia2> so each month we'd have a sunday evening and a tuesday evening meeting, instead of 2 sundays
[03:48] <pleia2> for example
[03:48] <pleia2> we could request a mootbot if the current logs are too hard to read
[03:49] <pleia2> if someone had the time to manually write meeting minutes rather than simply posting logs that'd be great, but we're lacking in volunteers
[03:49] <pleia2> err, in addition to posting logs
[03:51] <MarkDude> http://pastebin.com/zbxd9Crx
[03:51] <MarkDude> That for example
[03:52]  * MarkDude 's suggestion is offering people agreed upon hilights
[03:52] <pleia2> I don't understand
[03:52] <MarkDude> In a simple digest form
[03:52] <MarkDude> OF logs withe relevant discussion
[03:53]  * MarkDude will put suggestion in simpler form
[03:53] <MarkDude> give me about an hour or so
[03:53] <MarkDude> :)
[03:53] <pleia2> ok
[03:53]  * MarkDude does not want to waste anybodys time
[06:53]  * pleia2 does not know how to center click on this zareason laptop
[13:14] <aaditya> jdeslip: yes, one sunday and weekday meeting is what we briefly talked about in past, but it's still merely an idea that needs lots of feedback.
[13:19] <aaditya> jtatum, akk, MarkDude, grantbow, nUboon2Age, pleia2, jdeslip, all: We have another opportunity to present about a LAMP-related technical topic at Yahoo!. In addition to Linux, it'd be good to include one of the P's (Python?). Proposed date is Wed, Jan 19. Please get in touch with me if you'd like to present.
[13:20] <aaditya> We're giving out Ubuntu discs at this event as usual.
[13:21] <aaditya> It'd be good to know if the date works for most of us, since the facility needs to be reserved soon.
[16:41] <yantrashilpi> Gooooooood morning everybody! :)
[16:55] <jdeslip> morning ;)
[16:57] <sn9> ty
[17:12] <yantrashilpi> how is everybody doing today?
[18:11] <jdeslip> Sleepy
[18:17] <pleia2> me tooooo
[19:35] <MarkDude> YokoZar, ping
[19:36] <MarkDude> sn9, http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/hackergotchis/
[19:36] <MarkDude> I made you a hackergotchi
[19:38] <sn9> grrrrr
[19:43] <MarkDude> you dont like that?
[19:43]  * MarkDude will erase it
[19:44] <MarkDude> you going to be near SF in the afternoon?
[20:28] <pleia2> jamalta1: re: planet's broken rss feed header: 12:14:56 < newz2000> pleia2: thanks, I'm working on an update to that site now, will ensure it's fixed with the next release
[20:28] <pleia2> \o/
[20:28] <pleia2> so hopefully it'll be fixed soon :)
[20:29] <pleia2> (I told the website folks when you first mentioned it, but gave them another nudge this morning)
[20:29] <pleia2> never did find out where these things are supposed to be reported, aside from "halp! newz2000! broken!"
[20:46] <jtatum> which planet?
[20:46] <pleia2> planet.ubuntu.com
[20:46] <jtatum> ubuntu-website seems to be the catchall bucket for bugs against ubuntu.com properties
[20:47] <pleia2> yeah
[20:47] <jtatum> some 600 bugs open there though so probably pinging via irc is more effective
[20:47]  * pleia2 nods
[20:47] <pleia2> I'm not sure who actually tends to those bugs, it's been a whole Thing
[20:49] <jtatum> hahaha
[22:13] <yantrashilpi> I saw jono bacon just tweet that he was going to be on ABC 7... true?
[22:13] <yantrashilpi> isn't that a bay area station or am I dreaming?
[22:14] <yantrashilpi> I tend to get these things mixed up all the time.


[00:56] <jcastro> jono: around?
[00:57] <jono> jcastro, sue
[00:57] <jono> sure
[00:57] <jono> jcastro, sorry, I have had my nose in mail all day
[00:57] <jcastro> oh no worries
[00:57] <jono> I know we missed our call
[00:57] <jcastro> I won't complain. :D
[00:58] <jono> I am nearly through it all though
[00:58] <jono> :)
[00:58] <jcastro> jono: I actually have a whinier problem
[00:58] <jono> it has been a mierable day
[00:58] <jcastro> Icarus?
[00:58] <jono> wiener problem?
[00:58] <jono> lol
[00:58] <jono> what about Icarus?
[00:58] <jcastro> Flight of ... ?
[00:58] <jono> what about it?
[00:58] <jcastro> vocals?
[00:58] <jono> not recorded it yet
[00:58] <jono> lol
[00:58] <jcastro> was wondering if you had made progress
[00:58] <jcastro> damn
[00:59] <jono> I might need to can it
[00:59] <jcastro> ?
[00:59] <jono> I smell licensing hot water
[00:59] <jono> although I am asking maiden if I can release it
[00:59] <jcastro> oh
[00:59] <jono> we will see what they say
[00:59] <jcastro> I thought you had done all that already
[01:00] <jono> nope
[01:00] <jono> I was planning on playing a game of screw the rules
[01:00] <jcastro> heh
[01:00] <jono> but then I checked into it
[01:00] <jcastro> I am pretty sure even if you cover songs live you're supposed to pay or get permission
[01:00] <jono> and I think my heroes may screw me
[01:00] <jcastro> aka. we break the law every uds
[01:01] <jcastro> nah, I remember the last time I saw maiden they told me to pirate their albums!
[01:01] <jcastro> you could do an "inspired by maiden" track
[01:02] <jono> haha
[01:02] <jcastro> sum41 did that for metallica's battery
[01:02] <jono> I could release Plight Of Toys R'Us
[01:02] <jcastro> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&qscrl=1&q=sum+41+battery&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
[01:02] <jcastro> click play
[01:02] <jcastro> and guess the metallica song
[01:02] <jono> Ride....like a beagle...
[01:03] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl0EWYTVrlw
[01:03] <jcastro> actually, way better
[01:04] <jono> wow they are good
[01:04] <jcastro> yeah
[01:04] <jono> I always thought Sum41 sucked
[01:04] <jcastro> they were like a blink 182 type "punk band"
[01:04] <jcastro> but ends up they're the world's biggest metallica fan
[01:05] <jono> cool
[01:05] <jono> :)
[01:05] <jcastro> and they covered the real battery for an MTV metallica tribute
[01:05] <jcastro> and they were really good
[01:05] <jono> so Mr Castro
[01:05] <jono> I have a question for you
[01:05] <jono> uds content
[01:05] <jono> :-)
[01:05] <jcastro> It shall be yours by our call tomorrow
[01:06] <jcastro> sorry, I had real alpha 2 items today.
[01:06] <jcastro> but it shall be yours
[01:06] <jcastro> I only have one item left for A2
[01:06] <jono> please get to it tomorrow
[01:06] <jono> I want to get it in shape for a call this week that was scheduld
[01:06] <jono> with Jane and Gerry
[01:06] <jono> thanks, al
[01:06] <jono> pal
[01:06] <jcastro> hmm
[01:07] <jono> jcastro, it should be cool
[01:07] <jono> this call came out the blue today
[01:07] <jono> was news to me, so I would like a first cut of the site done by EOD wed
[01:08] <jono> which is totally doable
[01:08] <jcastro> no worries, I'll have a draft for you by the time you start tomorrow
[01:08] <jcastro> that'll give me time to polish before my EOD.
[01:09] <jono> perfect
[01:09] <jono> thanks, pal
[01:09] <jono> sorry it is all a little last minute
[01:09] <jcastro> yeah
[01:09] <jono> A2 is definitely priority, but it seems you are mostly in shape there
[01:09] <jono> and look at the glory that is http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/maverick/canonical-community.html :-)
[01:09] <jcastro> I've been middle-of-the-road-but-not-totally-backburning it since it's not on my WIs
[01:10] <jono> yeah I know what you mean
[01:10] <jono> if it aint a WI, it is dead to me
[01:10] <jcastro> heh
[01:10] <jono> apart from..y'know...the clustered ball of crazy that is my damn inbox
[01:11] <jono> I hate email so much
[01:11] <jcastro> I sent kiko a mail
[01:11] <jcastro> to link him up with stormy, wrt. linaro <-> gnome collaboration
[01:11] <jcastro> and he responds
[01:11] <jcastro> it's like
[01:11] <jcastro> "I am too busy to be responsive over mail, randomly grab me on IRC."
[01:11] <jono> lol
[01:11] <jcastro> and I was like, wow ....
[01:11] <jono> Not a Solution(TM)
[01:11] <jono> :-)
[01:12] <jcastro> yeah, I don't he's a GTD guy or something
[01:12] <jcastro> <-- dinner, bbl
[01:12] <jono> later, pal
[02:22] <doctormo> jono: You need a secretary, man I put my CV forward for the position :-D
[02:23] <doctormo> jono: I feel I should put myself in your work items so I'm not dead to you, maybe get a call once a month for an update on things.
[02:26] <jono> doctormo, heh, you are not dead to me
[02:26] <jono> but the community is a pretty big place :)
[02:36] <doctormo> Oh vast, you won't believe how mind bogglingly large it is, I mean you might think your bingo club is big, but that's just peanuts to the ubuntu community.
[02:36] <doctormo> jono: I hope you saw my wallpaper and the H2G2 quote in it
[02:56] <doctormo> bbs
[04:19] <doctormo> Back :-)
[06:07] <dpm> morning all
[06:07] <doctormo> hello
[06:13] <nigelb> morning dpm
[06:13] <nigelb> hello doctormo :)
[06:13] <doctormo> nigelb: I wanted to improve my background a little
[06:13] <nigelb> doctormo: desktop background?
[06:14] <dpm> hey nigelb :)
[06:14] <dpm> hi doctormo
[06:21] <nigelb> dpm: you're early today :)
[06:22] <dpm> nigelb, yeah, I've got a couple of things on my plate and I'll be away for an hour or so later on :)
[06:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[06:43] <doctormo> nigelb: I was updating this: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Circuit-169288271 I thought I showed you yesterday morning?
[06:43] <doctormo> czajkowski: How's your mum?
[06:45] <czajkowski> grand sleeping I hope, anasthetics don't agree with her at all
[06:47] <doctormo> czajkowski: I hope everything goes well, I know my body doesn't really like anasthetics.
[06:49] <czajkowski> aye she'll hopefully be let hope some time this weekend depending on her blood pressure.  sHe has very high blood pressure usually but it;s a bit low atm
[06:55] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[06:56] <czajkowski> dpm: morning
[06:56] <dpm> nigelb, out of interest, do you use a localized system?
[06:56] <dpm> i.e. not English?
[06:57] <czajkowski> dpm: just a question someone was asking and I'd not a clue, when translators translate a wiki page, the title of the page isn't translated is it? as in the URL part ?
[06:58] <dpm> czajkowski, exactly, it is not translated, so that the translated pages are subpages of the original. I.e. OriginalPage and OriginalPage/Translation (where "Translation" is a 2 or 3 letter code representing the language)
[06:59] <dpm> e.g. OriginalPage/ga for the Irish translation
[06:59] <czajkowski> ahhh I see
[06:59] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks for explaining
[07:00] <dpm> no worries :)
[07:02] <nigelb> dpm: nope, english
[07:02] <nigelb> doctormo: the gnu meets oss?
[07:02] <nigelb> czajkowski: I appreciate the fact that we have a CoC most when I see communities that don't
[07:03] <doctormo> nigelb: Ah well, that's a trick of the light :-D
[07:03] <nigelb> doctormo: you hadn't shown me that one, and it is beautiful :)
[07:04] <czajkowski> right off to Dublin
[07:04] <nigelb> czajkowski: have a nice trip :)
[07:04] <czajkowski> catch folks around 5pm my time again . Going to be a long day
[07:04] <dpm> nigelb, thanks. Nevertheless, do you happen to know anyone using Ubuntu in Punjabi, by any chance? I'm getting in touch with translation teams and it seems that the Punjabi one is no longer active (the team owner stopped using LP and that was it)
[07:04] <czajkowski> job interview part III
[07:05] <dpm> czajkowski, have a good trip and good luck!
[07:05] <nigelb> dpm: ouch, I don't know anyone using a localized version here.  I can hunt around on the mailing list if you want me to
[07:05] <nigelb> (also, I can't read punjabi btw)
[07:06] <dpm> nigelb, no, don't worry, thanks. I'll try to contact the few members of the team who've got a visible contact address
[07:08] <nigelb> :)
[07:10] <dpm> nigelb, would you say localized Ubuntu is not so popular in India, or only in your region? (I know India is huge and that I cannot ask you for all languages - I'm just trying to get a rough impression here :)
[07:12] <nigelb> dpm: well, we learn about computers in english, so its naturally assumed that people who first use ubuntu would like to use ubuntu in english
[07:12] <dpm> oh right
[07:12] <nigelb> but the advantage of having it localized is when its beign adopted by say state governments when they might want to have the interface in the official language for ease of transition, etc
[07:14] <dpm> ok, thanks for the info nigelb :)
[07:15] <nigelb> dpm: no problem :)
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:28] <nigelb> morning dholbach :)
[07:30] <dholbach> hey nigelb
[07:30] <akgraner> I am really turning into a geek - I find myself getting frustrated b/c my hands have to leave the keyboard to use the mouse... WOW!  akgraner notes this day in her calendar :-/
[07:31] <dholbach> hola ara
[07:32] <dpm> morning dholbach, hola ara
[07:32] <dpm> hey akgraner :)
[07:32] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:32] <ara> morning dholbach, dpm
[07:32] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[07:33] <ara> good thanks, slowly starting the day, yourself?
[07:34] <nigelb> akgraner: haha :)
[07:34] <nigelb> morning ara :)
[07:34] <dholbach> ara: same here, definitely slow sitll :)
[07:35] <ara> morning nigelb
[07:35] <akgraner> dpm, nigelb et al - howdy! :-)
[07:36] <dholbach> hey akgraner - still up?
[07:36] <akgraner> nah - I got some sleep :-)  Just started my day early
[07:37] <dholbach> very early, eh? :)
[07:37] <akgraner> yeppers - it's 0230 here
[07:38] <dholbach> I'm just not hard-core enough for this community
[07:38] <dholbach> got up a bit before 8 :)
[07:49] <nigelb> dholbach: don't worry, akgraner has a bad sleep pattern ;)
[07:49]  * nigelb runs
[07:49] <akgraner> nigelb, not bad - just unique - I get 8 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period :-)
[07:50] <nigelb> akgraner: right, every half our you sleep for 10 minutes :p
[07:51] <akgraner> nigelb, :-P
[07:51] <akgraner> power naps rule! just sayin'
[08:06] <dholbach> maybe I'm starting my day even slower today - I just made coffee and forgot the coffee powder
[08:06] <akgraner> dholbach, it's Tuesday  - you can't have a case of the Monday's on a Tuesday :-) (however that sounds like something I would do, nice to know I am in good company)
[08:08] <dholbach> usually I smell the coffee when it's ready, it didn't even surprise me today that the coffee did not smell coffee like - man, I hope I wake up quickly :)
[08:12] <nigelb> haha
[08:16] <dholbach> we're at #599655 in LP already
[08:16] <dholbach> how long until we hit 600000?
[08:16] <jussi> :D
[08:16]  * jussi goes to file 345 bugs :D
[08:27] <nigelb> dholbach: my guess is it will take max of 1 week
[08:28]  * nigelb goes to check daily patterns
[08:55] <nigelb> dholbach: ok, so I was talking at the Debian side about sponsorship in Debian
[08:56] <nigelb> I'm wondering if we can have something there for ubuntu developers who want to upload to Debian
[08:56] <nigelb> (actually Rhonda just suggested it to me)
[08:56] <nigelb> I'm out for lunch, we'll continue the conversation when I'm back :)
[09:25] <dholbach> hola randa_
[09:25] <randa_> hi dholbach
[09:25] <dholbach> nigelb: there's the debian mentors already?
[09:26] <dholbach> nigelb: it's great if you want to improve it and collaborate with Debian people to make it better, but I'm afraid I'm totally maxed out and in too many concurrent discussions right now
[09:27] <dholbach> I'm totally behind on emails and still got loads of work items to go through
[09:27] <jussi> what? dholbach is human? o.O
[09:28] <dholbach> the problem is: we're never short of good ideas
[09:29] <dholbach> although nigelb's and Rhonda's idea is indeed very good
[09:35] <dholbach> nigelb: I'm happy to give my feedback at some stage, but I can't be leading this effort too
[09:42] <nigelb> dholbach: ok, I'm back.  I can take it forward in a limited manner till my laptop is back and then I can work with rhonda on getting a system for ubuntu developers to find sponsorship faster
[09:42] <dholbach> nigelb: great, let me know how it goes
[09:42] <nigelb> debian-mentors is sadly not as great as our own sponsoring system - its a bit tough to find an actual sponsor
[09:45] <dpm> akgraner, the link you've just sent me to share for the interview with the Spanish translation team is for me to review or just for confirmation?
[09:47] <akgraner> confirmation :-)  you should have the actual email showing up in your inbox any second now...
[09:47] <akgraner> just want to CC you on everything incase I get hit by a bus :-)
[09:51] <dpm> akgraner, great, thanks! :-)
[15:42] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:42] <dholbach> jono: how are you doing?
[15:42] <dholbach> jono: did you send me the notes for yesterday's call? not sure if I got them and I think I forgot something already :)
[15:44] <jono> dholbach, hey
[15:44] <jono> shoot, I didn't
[15:44] <dholbach> no worries :)
[15:44] <dholbach> jono: it
[15:44] <jono> dholbach, they are on my other laptop, will send them son
[15:44] <jono> son
[15:44] <jono> soon
[15:44] <dholbach> jono: it's not like I didn't have enough work items ;-)
[15:44] <dholbach> take it easy :)
[15:44]  * dholbach hugs jono
[15:45]  * jono hugs dholbach
[16:25] <jcastro> hey dholbach
[16:25] <jcastro> jono: uds content link in your inbox, copy and paste away!
[16:26] <jono> thanks jcastro!
[16:26] <jcastro> jono: I have some questions when you integrate it
[16:26] <jcastro> so just mumble me or something
[16:28] <jono> jcastro, np
[16:29] <jono> jcastro, a lot of this you could have cut out - it is from the last UDS
[16:29] <jono> but I can do that
[16:29] <jcastro> yeah so that was my question
[16:29] <jcastro> for like travel and stuff, we don't have any of that info
[16:29] <jcastro> so I was just placeholding
[16:29] <jcastro> so I figured that would show what the page would look like better than making up a hotel, etc.
[16:30] <jcastro> also, is this page in /addition/ to the wiki or will it replace it? I wasn't sure if I was supposed to link back to the more detailed stuff on the wiki.
[16:30] <jcastro> I can't think of a way to explain like remote IRC without it sounding too complicated for what I think the site should be
[16:42]  * jcastro rings the bell
[16:42] <jcastro> one more WI outta there!
[16:43] <jono> jcastro, :)
[16:44] <jcastro> dholbach: I need to chat about dailies for about 5 minutes if you have a chance today
[16:45] <dholbach> jcastro: sure, just talking to the man with the plan right now
[16:45] <dholbach> jcastro: afterwards we can mumble :)
[16:46] <jcastro> \o/
[16:47] <jcastro> vish: wrt. papercuts, agree, just add the info!
[17:02] <vish> cool!
[17:04] <dholbach> jcastro: mumble?
[17:30] <dholbach> alright my friends
[17:30] <dholbach> I call it a day
[17:30] <dholbach> see you tomorrow!
[17:30]  * dholbach hugs you all
[17:30] <jcastro> woo!
[17:33] <dpm> :-)
[17:55] <doctormo> Morning all
[18:30] <jcastro> woo, my kindle gets here today
[19:07] <doctormo> jcastro: I thought kindles weren't very good.
[19:09] <jcastro> *shrug* I got my brother one and he loves it
[19:13] <popey> jono: what was the name of the wordpress theme people you said you used on a recent shotofjaq?
[19:13] <jcastro> doctormo: I tried the nook one at B&N and it was pretty fail
[19:14] <doctormo> jcastro: My sisters like Twilight, I've started being cautious of what my sisters like these days :-P
[19:14] <doctormo> I'm waiting for a good book reader, perhaps even a tablet.
[19:18] <jono> popey, woothemes.com
[19:19] <popey> ace! thanks
[19:21] <jono> :)
[19:21] <jono> popey, they are fantastic themes
[19:21] <jono> and I think they have a 4-for-1 offter too
[19:21] <jono> offer
[19:21] <popey> do they do custom work?
[19:21] <jono> popey, not sure
[19:21] <popey> will contact them
[19:21] <jono> I usually take a theme and hack it myself with firebug
[19:44] <popey> jono: do they do some kind of kickback / referral if I mention your name?
[19:45] <jono> popey, I don't think so
[19:45] <jono> thanks for the consideration though :-)
[19:45] <popey> np
[19:56] <jcastro> pleia2: thanks for your feedback, I'll incorporate that
[19:57] <pleia2> jcastro: sure thing
[19:57] <pleia2> just proposed the multi-language thing to the rest of -backstage, but it should be ok I think as long as we're clear about language when it's a non-english class and we have someone we can work with for scheduling
[19:59] <jcastro> I'll just reword the bit so that it's more "talk to the learning team" too
[19:59]  * pleia2 nods


[00:37] <myndzi> i'm trying to create an upstart script that lets me gracefully exit a program
[00:37] <myndzi> but in pre-stop a while loop that doesn't exit until the script is ready doesn't appear to be working
[00:38] <myndzi> http://pastie.org/private/3usocsfi2u74kijm85iqoa
[00:38] <myndzi> any idea what's wrong?
[00:40] <myndzi> it appears to work fine if i make a bash script and run it
[01:02] <xnox> myndzi: [[ is bashism. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DashAsBinSh#A.5B.5B
[01:02] <xnox> myndzi: upstart uses /bins/sh, "dash" specifically on ubuntu.
[02:25] <myndzi> that explains it
[02:25] <myndzi> after a lot of messing around i got something that works and is clean :)
[02:25] <myndzi> thanks
[02:44] <quickdry21> I've been tackling the problem of running multiple processes from the same upstart script, any thoughts on this? https://gist.github.com/quickdry21/7312841
[03:09] <stgraber> quickdry21: you should look into upstart instances and use that instead of calling start-stop-daemon from a single job
[03:10] <stgraber> (so split into two jobs, one doing the for loop and spawning an instance of the other for each entry)
[03:16] <quickdry21> stgraber: would like to see an example of the upstart job that starts multiple single-upstart jobs... i've gotten the single-job to work but have had problems getting a loop to start other job with the script ending
[03:20] <stgraber> quickdry21: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6362512/
[03:26] <quickdry21> Nice - thanks, I'll be playing around with that. I knew start-stop-daemon was a bad way to to it.
[03:27] <stgraber> doing it with instances also lets you use the respawn keyword and per-instance pre-start/pre-stop/post-start/post-stop scripts just like with a standard job
[14:19] <Striki> I was wondering if there is a way to make sure one service does not stop until another service is stopped? As an example. We have task workers running in AWS and they are being auto scaled. So when AWS issues the shutdown command, celeryd (the task worker daemon), shuts down gracefully. I must make sure that mongos does not shut down before celeryd has been able to finish the tasks it's cleaning up.
[14:19] <Striki> I've looked at stop on stopped.. start on started.. etc. - but haven't found the right way
[14:36] <Striki> if I write in the task worker upstart "stop on stopping mongos" - would that ensure the task worker is stopped before mongos finishes shutting down?
[14:51] <xnox> Striki: yes.
[14:51] <xnox> Striki: there is a table of events & order they are emitted in.
[14:52] <xnox> Striki: stopping mongos is emitted once it was decided that "mongos" should stop. At that point everything this is "on stopping mongos" should succeed, before mongos is actually stopped.
[14:53] <xnox> Striki: but, i"m not sure how that will help you in the shutdown case, I thought there is a timeout after which everything gets killed, but you should have 5 seconds or so.
[14:53] <xnox> not sure that one can block shutdown.
[14:53] <xnox> jodh: can one block shutdown, whilst "stop on" haven't completed yet?
[14:56] <jodh> xnox: not reliably since Upstart doesn't handle the final shutdown atm. - /etc/init.d/sendsigs does.
[14:57] <jodh> Striki: see upstart-events(7) / http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#ubuntu-well-known-events-ubuntu-specific for a list of events
[15:25] <Striki> xnox: ok thank you a lot!
[15:26] <Striki> and you as well jodh
[20:28] <rcassidy> hi all! quick q: any way to reliably log who is using initctl to start/stop an upstart job?
[20:29] <rcassidy> (note: sadly, this is also a painfully old version of upstart.)
[21:06] <xnox> rcassidy: not sure how would that work. But if you increase logging you will see when jobs where started/stopped.
[21:06] <xnox> rcassidy: to do so, one needs to be root. So check/correlate with sudo logs.
[21:07] <xnox> "to do so" to stop/start jobs.
[21:07] <xnox> rcassidy: if you have custom policykit rules that you allow certain people start/stop certain jobs, check policy kit logs when those requests were granted and to who.
[21:08] <rcassidy> xnox: thanks for reply!
[21:08] <rcassidy> i think the best bet right now is to correlate with root logs, yes - thanks!