[10:30] <thopiekar-t91> StevenK: ping
[10:32]  * persia encourages the asking of questions rather than the seeking of individuals who may answer the questions
[10:34] <thopiekar-t91> persia: what I just want to ask StevenK is that I need the psb drivers for my asus eeepc t91 for karmic..
[10:34] <thopiekar-t91> atm the drivers are just available in the jaunty repo
[10:36] <persia> I don't believe there were any karmic drivers for psb, although I could be mistaken.
[10:36] <persia> I seem to remember something involving issues with the differences in X.
[10:36] <persia> But perhaps someone more knowledgeable can answer more clearly.
[10:37] <thopiekar-t91> k
[10:38] <persia> My (incomplete) understanding is that the PSB drivers included some binary bits that only worked in some cases, so were a bit of a hack, rather than the more usual compiled-from-reviewed-source stuff.
[10:39] <ogra> right, its similar to nvidia iirc
[10:40] <ogra> and the binary bits may or may not be available for the karmic kernel ... i know StevenK could tell
[10:41] <persia> Was it a kernel issue?  I thought it was an issue with the change in the X ABI.
[10:41] <thopiekar-t91> I just added now the ubuntu X swat unstable repo to test wheather the psb drivers are available there..
[10:42] <StevenK> From what I've heard, people have managed to get PSB working in Karmic, but I don't and won't support that.
[10:43] <thopiekar-t91> StevenK: its possible to install the drivers from your jaunty repo so you just need, as i heard, to push these drivers to karmic..
[10:43] <persia> StevenK: That's a wonderfully-formed answer :)
[10:44] <thopiekar-t91> persia: hehe
[11:01] <StevenK> thopiekar-t91: I also have a lack of time, so ...
[11:01] <thopiekar-t91> k,
[11:01] <StevenK> If it works, great, if doesn't, you get to keep and admire all of the pieces.
[11:03] <thopiekar-t91> i'll try it now with the xserver+drivers from the x swat unstable ppa..
[11:03] <thopiekar-t91> see you soon..
[11:03] <thopiekar-t91> :)


[03:42] <owlman> Hi, is there a git branch with only the packaging patches for the mainline kernels (e.g. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.1-rc5-unstable/) publically available?
[03:53] <owlman> i.e. the 3 patch files 000?*
[07:47] <apw> owlman, no they are not in a public git tree, just in the directory
[10:11] <thoma> Someone knows a SIMPLE way to collect MCE information ?
[10:23] <genkgo> jsalisbury: unfortunately, the hyperv is still there. could we collect more information somehow? i am not very experienced with kernel. e.g. a backtrace. i now only use dmesg.
[12:26] <apw> genkgo, do you mean the "going offline on backup issue is still there" ?
[13:06] <genkgo> apw: yes
[13:06] <genkgo> apw: but it took a while to trigger
[13:07] <genkgo> apw: much longer than before
[13:08] <trippeh> Hm. wireless-regdb is still way out of date
[13:08] <apw> trippeh, yep we are working on that right now
[13:09] <trippeh> wohoo :)
[13:09] <trippeh> had to disable VHT80 on the network here, or else iwl keeps downgrading to 802.11n.
[13:23] <genkgo> apw: is there any method to do some sort of trace? e.g. to see where an error is coming, to exactly see why the system goes into read-only. i would like to add more information than just my dmesg, because that one is always the same.
[13:24] <apw> genkgo, i suspect that that contains the real info ... and thaat implies the fix just made the window smaller not removed it
[13:27] <genkgo> apw: i guess so
[13:28] <genkgo> apw: maybe it also proves why testing with a development machine is so hard with this problem. the io pattern of a testing machine does not match a production machine and therefore the window is too small on a testing machine. hence, it is likely the bug to manifest faster on a production.
[13:57] <owlman> apw: thanks.
[13:59] <owlman> I found the git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/unstable.git repository. Where is the wily master-next repo?
[14:03] <apw> git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/wily
[14:03] <owlman> awesome, thanks
[14:29] <jsalisbury> genkgo, thanks for updated the bug.  We'll see what the response is from jrp and see if other commits are needed.
[14:30] <genkgo> jsalisbury: yes, let's see. i am also wondering how they have done their tests
[14:31] <genkgo> jsalisbury: we are pushing limits of course by creating snapshots every half an hour
[14:31] <jsalisbury> genkgo, right


[03:44] <jsgotangco> hiya
[03:51] <mdke> lo
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hey mdke how's things?
[03:56] <mdke> jsgotangco, busy, but fine. Yourself?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> cramming a bit
[03:59] <jjesse> did my last message go through?
[03:59] <jjesse> mdke: were you looking for me yesterdya/
[03:59] <jjesse> ?
[04:00] <mdke> jjesse, yes: can you remove the serverguide in the kubuntu folder? it is present in the generic folder
[04:00] <jjesse> sure
[04:00] <mdke> i couldn't figure out how to remove it, you seem to have added it in a strange way that I am not familiar with
[04:01] <jjesse> i just did a svn copy /generic/serverguide to /kubuntu/serverguide
[04:01] <jjesse> is that the right way?
[04:03] <mdke> it should be, but it has done something weird
[04:03] <mdke> see if svn rm works
[04:04] <mdke> for me, it removed it, but then did something screwy with the version control and I couldnt' commit it
[04:05] <jjesse> Deleting       serverguide
[04:05] <jjesse> svn: Commit succeeded, but other errors follow:
[04:05] <jjesse> svn: Error bumping revisions post-commit (details follow):
[04:05] <jjesse> svn: Working copy '/home/jjesse/ubuntu-docs/repos/trunk/kubuntu' is missing or not locked
[04:05] <jjesse> svn: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:
[04:05] <jjesse> svn:    '/home/jjesse/ubuntu-docs/repos/trunk/kubuntu/serverguide/svn-commit.tmp'
[04:05] <jjesse> is that what you were getting?
[04:05] <mdke> no, that looks even worse
[04:05] <mdke> :)
[04:06] <mdke> i get this: http://pastebin.com/436175
[04:07] <mdke> the last line appears to be the problem
[04:07] <mdke> then this if I do "svn status"
[04:07] <mdke> matt@kalliope:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-docs/trunk/kubuntu$ svn status
[04:07] <mdke> X      serverguide
[04:07] <mdke> Performing status on external item at 'serverguide'
[04:07] <mdke> D      serverguide
[04:07] <mdke> etc
[04:08] <mdke> jjesse, you just removed generic/serverguide
[04:08] <mdke> that is bad
[04:08] <jjesse> doh i didn't mean to
[04:09] <mdke> let's revert that
[04:09] <jjesse> ok
[04:09] <jsgotangco> horay
[04:10] <mdke> who is going to revert it?
[04:13] <mdke> ok i'm doing it
[04:13] <mdke> no one else do it at the same time :D
[04:13] <jjesse> sorry had several work calls :(
[04:16] <mdke> ok i think i've fixed the serverguide thing
[04:16] <mdke> seems you added an external property
[04:17] <mdke> no idea what that is
[04:17] <mdke> like a symlink for svn I guess
[04:18] <jjesse> mdke: i have no clue how i did it
[04:18] <jjesse> mdke: i thought i just did a svn copy
[04:19] <mdke> oh well
[04:22] <mdke> jjesse, that switching guide doesn't validate.
[04:22] <mdke> sounds like a cool idea
[04:23] <jjesse> mdke: i know its not done yet and i didn't have the right tools installed as i recently redid my installation
[04:23] <jjesse> so i'm working on validating/finishing it
[04:23] <mdke> cool
[04:23] <mdke> i just wanted to check it out :p
[04:23] <mdke> lemme check the online version
[04:24] <jjesse> grin the online version needs some changes
[04:24] <jjesse> like removing our favorite repository :)
[04:24] <mdke> yeah
[04:24] <mdke> careful about that marillat stuff :)
[04:25] <jjesse> the only thing that is not in multiverse these days is w32codecs
[04:25] <mdke> so does kde use gstreamer too?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:27] <jsgotangco> it'll completely ditch arts by dapper i believe
[04:27] <mdke> ah
[04:27] <mdke> that is cool that they use the same thing
[04:27] <mdke> although i think arts is unrelated
[04:28] <mdke> that's the sound server isn't it?
[04:28] <jjesse> anyone here install the recent flight test?
[04:28] <mdke> no, i downloaded it yesterday, i guess i'll install it tonight
[04:29] <jjesse> i did over the weekend and had some problems on the kubuntu side
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i just installed it a few hours ago
[04:29] <jsgotangco> nothing much chnaged
[04:29] <jsgotangco> really
[04:29] <jsgotangco> except some pretty obvious gnome changes
[04:30] <mdke> my partitioning is a total mess
[04:30] <mdke> i may need to do a total reinstall :/
[04:30] <jsgotangco> same here
[04:30] <jsgotangco> i just removed everything
[04:30] <jjesse> heck that's why i reinstalled, i was running dapper and kde 3.5 rc1 and was having issues
[04:30] <jjesse> i still have to have windows for work :(
[04:31] <jsgotangco> good thing 85% of workstations at my work run on linux
[04:31] <jjesse> i'm a windows network administrator
[04:31] <mdke> http://mdke.org/images/thinkpad.png
[04:31] <mdke> that is my hard disk
[04:31] <mdke> :/
[04:31] <jsgotangco> jjesse: i used to be one myself
[04:32] <jjesse> sounds like something someone would say when they got over a disease
[04:32] <mdke> rob1 is one now too :)
[04:32] <jsgotangco> mdke: mine is just clean dapper now
[04:32] <mdke> jsgotangco, hard core!
[04:32] <mdke> i need a breezy for mine
[04:33] <mdke> ah cool
[04:33] <jsgotangco> mdke: do you know any wiki page where we hvae definite dapper roadmap/changes?
[04:33] <jsgotangco> or even in lp?
[04:35] <mdke> there are a couple of wiki pages
[04:35] <mdke> and of course, you can check the approved specs
[04:35] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperGoals
[04:36] <mdke> that page has a list of the specs
[04:38] <jsgotangco> even if its approved, it doesn't mean its going to get into dapper
[04:38] <jsgotangco> the LSB thing isn't even going to happen really
[04:40] <mdke> well the specs on that page should go in
[04:41] <jsgotangco> now always, but hopefully
[04:42] <mdke> yeah
[05:07] <jsgotangco> what the hell i tried translating the website in korea that mentioned my name and it said i'm into alcohol and debauchery from the google translation
[05:08] <jsgotangco> Philippines  	58,500
[05:08] <mdke> lol
[05:08] <mdke> sounds fair enough
[05:08] <jsgotangco> wow
[05:08] <mdke> you need a lawyer
[05:08] <jsgotangco> mdke: http://www.softexpo.or.kr/kr/conference/announcer.jsp
[05:11] <mdke> jsgotangco, where is the translation?
[05:11] <jsgotangco> wait let me do it again
[05:12] <jjesse> that's intereseting
[05:16] <jsgotangco> "also the knife queue is distant, it  participated to the alcoholic beverage development which sprouts."
[05:16] <mdke> lol
[05:16] <mdke> you have to ask em what it really means
[05:17] <jsgotangco> great so we're actually brewing moonshine over here
[07:56] <mdke> was bhuvan's commit access discussed at the last meeting?
[07:59] <mdke> jjesse, ping?
[08:25] <jjesse> mdke: ping
[08:26] <jjesse> i though commit access was talked about
[08:26] <mdke> pong
[08:26] <mdke> jjesse, wanted to ask you about the removing of the k-
[08:26] <jjesse> we talked about making people who wanted commit needed to either be a part of ubuntu-members or at least sign th CoC
[08:26] <jjesse> mdke: sure what's up?
[08:26] <mdke> ah cool
[08:27] <mdke> jjesse, you've updated some of the Makefile, but there is lots more to change. Also, the kubuntu directory still has the k- folders!
[08:27] <jjesse> did i screw svn up again ? <ducks>
[08:27] <mdke> no, i think it is ok
[08:27] <mdke> you probably just did an "svn copy" instead of "svn mv" right?
[08:27] <jjesse> mdke yes i did, cna i then do a svn delete?
[08:28] <mdke> yep
[08:28] <jjesse> ok will do
[08:28] <jjesse> i didn't know what to do for the web stuff, just follow the changes i made for xml?
[08:28] <mdke> I'll do the Makefile, then you can look at the commit email and see what I've changed
[08:28] <jjesse> cool
[08:28] <jjesse> i'm slowly learning
[08:29] <mdke> :)
[08:29] <mdke> there is a good guide, although tbh I haven't read it either
[08:30] <mdke> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/svn-book.html
[08:33] <jjesse> interseting
[11:47] <bhuvan> mdke: ping
[11:47] <mdke> thanks
[11:48] <mdke> now, how about commit access
[11:48] <bhuvan> as per jsgotangco, after becoming a member, getting commit access wont be an issue
[11:49] <mdke> we need to request you to be added
[11:49] <mdke> do you have a gpg key?
[11:49] <bhuvan> yeah, i do have already in launchpad
[11:49] <mdke> good
[11:49] <mdke> what username do you want?
[11:49] <bhuvan> i've also signed the coc, fwiw
[11:49] <bhuvan> username: bhuvan
[11:50] <mdke> good thanks
[11:51] <mdke> i'll sort it out then
[11:51] <bhuvan> ok, thankx
[11:51] <mdke> elmo will mail you when he has arranged your access
[11:51] <bhuvan> ok
[11:51] <mdke> he will mail you the password, encrypted with your key
[11:51] <bhuvan> ok
[11:52] <mdke> thanks


[00:00] <FaTaL_G> Last night I was doing the occasional apt update & upgrade... sometimes I use webmin... Well, since that action, I keep getting a cronjob message "Another instance is running with the same action"
[00:01] <DSdavidDS> oerheks: thanks for remembering but nope! This is a completely unrelated system xP
[00:01] <FaTaL_G> I rebooted, and I looked at the actually jobs, cant see anything that is running it
[00:01] <DSdavidDS> my preseeded ubuntu install ended up great ;]
[00:04] <DSdavidDS> I think this has to do with an nvidea driver I installed..
[00:09] <znf> Hi. I'm trying to set up an older Ubuntu version in an LXC Container running on 18.04 - mainly, I need an older version for some legacy tools/hardware which are isolated in a network - when I do: lxc-create -t download -n name -- I obviously can't find 12.04 in the list and can't either enter it manually; is there another way to do this?
[00:13] <sarnold> znf: hmm I'm not finding any old images..
[00:13] <sarnold> znf: but the 12.04 install media can be found on http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.4/
[00:13] <znf> I did find some template on Proxmox for 12.04, I'm gonna try something stupid, maybe it works
[00:14] <sarnold> znf: oho, cloud images http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/precise/current/
[00:15] <znf> Oh. Nice.
[00:17] <znf> but how do I actually use them
[00:18] <tomreyn> the latest non cloud installer iso for this EOL release would be at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.5/
[00:18] <znf> I don't really want an ISO tough, that would complicate things, I just want an lxc container
[00:19] <DSdavidDS> wedr: I looked through the apt/history.log and saw some changes to python3 but those were basic installs likeke pip and usb libraries
[00:19] <sarnold> a cloud image might be easier to use with lxd than lxc; lxd took a more image-centric approach
[00:20] <znf> can't say I've used lxd at all, to be honest
[00:20] <sarnold> tomreyn: wow I didn't expect that. :) I was a bit surprised by just the .4, I should have looked harder. thanks.
[00:21] <znf> eh, I'll just do lxd, I guess
[00:21] <adrian_1908> znf: I think with 12.04 you're really out of luck. 14.04 seems like a universal cutoff threshold, even in Docker.
[00:22] <znf> I see https://uk.images.linuxcontainers.org/ lists ubuntu trusty
[00:22] <znf> same as the other thing
[00:23] <adrian_1908> Yup
[00:23] <tomreyn> sarnold: you're welcome :)
[00:24] <adrian_1908> znf: I take it a VM is out of the question and you want to run something light persistently?
[00:24] <znf> adrian_1908, that's exactly the reason
[00:25] <tomreyn> hd-media may work http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
[00:25] <znf> I mostly need it to ssh under some old devices under a specific subnet, which newer ssh clients kind of fail me to log on
[00:26] <znf> so instead of trying to figure out the crypto-settings for each and every one of them, I just want to use a proxcommand via this older host
[00:29] <znf> like, I do have an image that proxmox uses with LXC -- http://download.proxmox.com/images/system/ubuntu-12.04-standard_12.04-1_amd64.tar.gz
[00:29] <znf> wonder if I can just migrate ne
[00:29] <znf> one
[00:30] <sarnold> oh nice
[00:35] <FaTaL_G> I dont get it.... theres only two users with cronjobs, and my email is filling up with "Another instance is running with the same action" messages for cron mail: "/usr/bin/ntopng-utils-manage-updates -a handle-upgrade-requests"
[00:36] <FaTaL_G> but there isnt anything running
[00:37] <sarnold> the usual problem is that a run from one minute, hour, day, week, etc ago is still running
[00:37] <sarnold> these tools can help http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/run-one.1.html
[00:38] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, thanks, but there is no ntopng job
[00:39] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: hm. maybe it left behind a .pid file or similar?
[00:40] <FaTaL_G> would that actually continue sending mails?
[00:40] <sarnold> it depends upon how ntopng-utils-manage-updates is written
[00:42] <FaTaL_G> there isn't even a rule for it
[00:42] <FaTaL_G> theres me, and there is root
[00:42] <FaTaL_G> for users
[00:42] <Scriptonaut> what is the correct way to permanently set this value: /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
[00:42] <Scriptonaut> I want to set it to 'never'
[00:42] <Scriptonaut> in ubuntu 18.04
[00:43] <sarnold> Scriptonaut: I'd use a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ -- check out the README in that directory
[00:43] <Scriptonaut> ok thank you
[00:43] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: hmm. but cron is still executing it periodically?
[00:44] <hggdh> usually /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf is a symlink to /etc/sysctl.conf
[00:46] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, yup... every 2-5 minutes
[00:46] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: check /etc/cron* as well
[00:46] <sarnold> not all crons are user crontabs
[00:52] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, you're right
[00:52] <FaTaL_G> and I'm thinking they goofed up
[00:53] <FaTaL_G> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cX48b8nwHV/
[00:54] <sarnold> EVERY MINUTE
[00:54] <sarnold> man
[00:54] <FaTaL_G> lol
[00:55] <FaTaL_G> I didnt write that rule
[00:55] <FaTaL_G> how do I notify them or the ubuntu packagers?
[00:55] <FaTaL_G> I did a apt-get update && upgrade
[00:56] <FaTaL_G> and this was what happened afterwards lol
[00:58] <Scriptonaut> sarnold: I looked in the readme, I'm having trouble figuring out the sysctl.conf variable name for /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
[00:59] <Scriptonaut> would it just be kernel.mm.transparent_hugepage.enabled? Or would it have sys on the front?
[00:59] <Scriptonaut> seems like a lot of people use sysfsutils to modify those values
[01:00] <sarnold> Scriptonaut: arghs :( I'm sorry. :( I should have looked first. I'm so accustomed to kernel tweakables having both sysctl and filesystem interfaces that I didn't look first :(
[01:00] <Scriptonaut> oh no problem, thanks anyways
[01:01] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: dpkg -S /etc/cron.d/ntopng  ought to report which package owns it, ubuntu-bug <packagename> ought to file a bug report
[01:03] <znf> sarnold, made it work, had to work around a bit with /etc/subuid and /get/subgid and some other stuff, but it's running
[01:03] <sarnold> znf: nice!
[01:19] <FaTaL_G> sarnold, apparently Im not running the official ubuntu one. I'll have to go to ntopng site. I bought a license and all that jazz
[01:19] <sarnold> FaTaL_G: oooo cool
[01:20] <FaTaL_G> :)
[01:33] <gambl0re> if i have TLP installed do i still to use Powertop?
[01:42] <oerheks> no, don't mix them.
[01:42] <oerheks> i prefer tlp
[02:48] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to remove a directory that's supposed to be empty, but it won't remove. Running `ls` on this directory returns "Input/output error". OS is Ubuntu 19.10, filesystem is ntfs-3g. Unmounting/remounting the filesystem does not change the problem, neither does rebooting. Any thoughts?
[02:51] <sarnold> check dmesg
[02:51] <sarnold> IO error can sometimes be a dying hard drive
[02:53] <BlueProtoman> sarnold: What should I be looking for, specifically?
[02:53] <sarnold> BlueProtoman: near the end, the SCSI errors have a bunch of { } kinds of things in it
[02:53] <sarnold> somehow they have a flavour that nothing else has
[02:59] <BlueProtoman> sarnold: Nothing looks like a SCSI error. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YVHSGqSBZd
[03:00] <sarnold> well, that's good for your hard drives anyway :)
[03:00] <BlueProtoman> I should hope so, it's an SSD
[03:01] <BlueProtoman> Also, the file system is not giving me any other problems. It mounted in r/w mode, as expected (ntfs-3g mounts in read-only if it detects an error)
[03:04] <sarnold> hrm :/ I'm out of ideas, sorry
[03:05] <Sven_vB> looks like I haven't properly closed my LUKS before withdrawing the external harddrive. now I have loop devices in /dev/mapper that I can't "cryptsetup close" because the device is still busy, my kernel thinks. how to recover?
[03:05] <BlueProtoman> sarnold: Thank you anyway.
[03:06] <sarnold> BlueProtoman: maybe a disk check in windows?
[03:06] <Sven_vB> BlueProtoman, have you checked fuser?
[03:06] <BlueProtoman> Sven_vB: Yes. No results.
[03:16] <Sven_vB> solution for my hanging LUKS: for D in /dev/mapper/vg_*; do sudo dmsetup remove $D; done
[03:17] <sarnold> oh nice, thanks
[04:13] <diezl> hi all-can anyone suggest a way to view ram and cpu specs dynamically running ubuntu 19.04 desktop
[04:14] <nCoV_fren> CPU monitor?
[04:14] <sarnold> free -g and cat /proc/cpuinfo are my usual tools
[04:17] <diezl> nice thank you
[04:17] <drecondius> can someone help me figure out why retroarch is showing that it's missing glx but stuff like dota, and Dark Souls 3 runs?
[04:19] <drecondius> It shows X Error: GLXBadContext, Request Major code 151 (GLX), Request Minor code 6 (), Error Serial #58, Current Serial #57
[04:22] <drecondius> Also 2 libGL errors, this is ubuntu 19.10 and it's the snap install
[04:25] <sarnold> drecondius: there's a link to contact the authors on https://snapcraft.io/retroarch
[04:25] <sarnold> drecondius: that's probably your best bet
[05:24] <smacktalk> my laptop wouldn't boot...gives me some systemctl error
[05:24] <smacktalk> anyone know how to fix that?
[05:25] <smacktalk> I'm totally jonesing for my laptop
[05:28] <smacktalk> or do I have to reinstall my os and overwrite everything
[05:29] <ryuo> smacktalk: rescue shell?
[05:43] <smacktalk> ryuo I don't know how to to my rescue shell?
[05:44] <ryuo> smacktalk: i was asking if it's the rescue shell. booting from live cd is probably worth checking out.
[05:48] <smacktalk> Ryuo, I don't get a command prompt
[05:49] <ryuo> smacktalk: so what does it do?
[05:49] <smacktalk> it starts going through all the system checks....all <ok>
[05:49] <smacktalk> then stops in the middle of all that and give me some systemctl error
[05:50] <ryuo> X never comes up?
[05:50] <smacktalk> no command prompt
[05:50] <smacktalk> no, doesn't finish booting
[05:50] <ryuo> try ctrl-alt-f2
[05:50] <ryuo> does that do anything?
[05:51] <smacktalk> nope
[05:54] <smacktalk> I went intothe reco9very menu and got the root prompt
[05:54] <smacktalk> i can also get to grub
[06:01] <ryuo> smacktalk: i would check your drive SMART.
[06:02] <smacktalk> tried to google that...funny result
[06:02] <ryuo> smacktalk: see smartctl
[06:03] <smacktalk> Thanks ryuo, it's 10PM here...gotta ccatch some z's
[06:04] <smacktalk> I'll check that out first thing tomorrow
[06:05] <ryuo> smacktalk: well, unexplained boot failures are sometimes due to failing storage devices.
[06:06] <ryuo> smacktalk: if it's no longer working correctly, anything can happen.
[06:06] <smacktalk> that makes sense
[06:06] <ryuo> alternatively a configuration change or kernel or other regression
[06:06] <ryuo> can be at fault
[06:07] <smacktalk> I used the command sudo smartctl -i /dev/sda  and it said smartctl isn't a command
[06:09] <ryuo> smacktalk: smartmontools has to be installed first.
[06:09] <EriC^^> smacktalk: sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[06:09] <smacktalk> did tht, it says unable to fetch some archives
[06:09] <smacktalk> fails
[06:10] <EriC^^> smacktalk: try sudo apt-get update , it might help
[06:10] <ryuo> probably won't work for single user mode
[06:10] <ryuo> from*
[06:11] <EriC^^> oh
[06:11] <EriC^^> he's in recovery mode?
[06:11] <ryuo> yes
[06:11] <smacktalk> I guess the recovery console doesn't have access to the network
[06:11] <ryuo> i was suggesting to try from live cd
[06:11] <smacktalk> I am at a root prompt
[06:11] <smacktalk> oh! gotcha
[06:11] <smacktalk> great idea
[06:12] <EriC^^> wait
[06:12] <EriC^^> smacktalk: in the root shell, exit from it, then go to "enable networking" then drop to root shell again
[06:12] <EriC^^> maybe you can upload the log of the last boot from there as well to hone in on the problem
[06:14] <smacktalk> yes, that worked much better!
[06:20] <EriC^^> smacktalk: try "cat /var/log/{boot.log,syslog} | nc termbin.com 9999"
[06:20] <EriC^^> paste the link it gives you here
[08:01] <littlekimmy> if I use compile, what's the way to know of  the variable compilation-ask-about-auto-save; I forgot it's name and need to always look up in notes for emacs
[08:59] <littlekimmy> ya, I don't have ip cmd installed, so to find that apt search ip ?
[08:59] <littlekimmy> but list is too big
[09:04] <al2o3-cr> littlekimmy: the package is iproute2
[09:51] <conjo> hi e1-im running ubuntu 19.04 and would like to install conky;not well versed does anyone know if i can trust the following repo "sudo apt add-tepository -y ppa:teekee2008/2008/ppa?
[09:51] <conjo> or how i should go about checking if a repo is trustworthy eb board or sites that have a list of known good/bads
[09:52] <conjo> *eb=eg
[10:05] <diskin> diezl, hi, isn't conky available in standard repos?
[10:09] <diskin> aah, it's 1.10.8 in repos, and the latest is 1.11.5. perhaps it is better to build one from source...
[10:13] <notwebdev> Hi. I've installed a LAMP stack with PHP-FPM. I wish to create a (ftp)user that can only view the www directory and it's items. The user should also have full permissions on files created by PHP. Apache and the ftp user shares a group. The ftp user owns the directory. Right now PHP can only write to folders with 0777 permissions. I'd like to allow PHP file access with 0775 permissions. Do I
[10:13] <notwebdev> need to modify the php user, or something else?
[10:16] <ryuo> notwebdev: by default the ubuntu php-fpm will be run with www-data user/group... perhaps that could be leveraged?
[10:16] <ryuo> i normally use www-data as the group for web directories on simple installs.
[10:16] <ryuo> where i don't need to do heavy user isolation
[10:17] <ryuo> notwebdev: also, you could consider using SFTP instead of FTP. it uses the existing ssh service, requiring no new services to function.
[10:22] <notwebdev> I just retraced my steps, and it seems I didn't add www-data to the shared group. I think I got it working now :) I'll go with SFTP instead, thanks!
[10:25] <diezl> diskin, solved the issue asked around about the repo in question, to answer your question im not sure but i suspect the answer is yes
[10:26] <diskin> diezl, thanks!
[10:27] <diezl> thank you for replying to me =)
[12:27] <mr_lou> I need to make a symbolic link on a USB. I've done this many times before, but now all of the sudden I'm not permitted?
[12:27] <mr_lou> ln -s / mylink
[12:30] <mr_lou> Ah, wait. Filesystem probably.
[13:23] <pc_magas> Hello I moves /var/lib/snapd into /home/snapd and symlinked back, but the snapd deamon fails to start.
[13:24] <pc_magas> The reason I did thas was the lack of space on the partition that /var was mounted.
[13:24] <pc_magas> More Info I explain into https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/moved-var-lib-snapd-into-home-snapd-and-symlicked-back-snaps-fail-to-start/15272
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <cybertruck2077> guys please help, I'm going crazy
[13:41] <cybertruck2077> https://pastebin.com/CLwFSbu7
[13:42] <cybertruck2077> It's a tiny script, but I keep getting error line 4: date: command not found
[13:49] <ioria> cybertruck2077, maybe you want curHour=$(date +%H)   or curHour=`date +%H`  not   curHour='date +%H' (same for the other cmd)
[13:49] <cybertruck2077> ok thank you
[13:51] <cybertruck2077> ioria, now it says: line 4: [2: command not found
[13:51] <cybertruck2077> , weird
[13:52] <ioria> cybertruck2077,  if [[  "$curHour" -gt 2 ]] && [[  "$lsCheck"  -lt 16 ]]
[13:53] <cybertruck2077> ioria, THANKS!!!!
[13:53] <ioria> ok
[15:20] <kdmiller> I have a fresh copy of Ubuntu 18.04 Workstation installed and updated connected to a bridged port, I changed to my static ip using the setting and no connection to internet now
[15:22] <tieinv> did you restart
[15:23] <kdmiller> yup
[15:23] <tieinv> o
[15:23] <kdmiller> ifconfig show the right info
[15:34] <fuze> (kubuntu 19.10 64 bit) i removed nvidia drivers and im using noveou but desktop effects arent working and my second monitor is black. how can i fix?
[15:34] <dreamscape> hey all I'm trying to install wifi drivers but i can't seem to get it to work?? i get this error https://pastebin.com/Kcr3LR98
[17:10] <cybertruck2077> hey guys, what's the room for off-topic Ubuntu discussion?
[17:13] <mrsideways> is there a tool I should use to make a windows 10 installer using ubuntu? I am using ubuntu but I want to put the windows 10 iso on a usb to install on my media center pc, do i use a tool or just extract to fat32 usb with ark?
[17:23] <jeremy31> mrsideways: woeusb
[17:23] <mrsideways> thank you jeremy31
[17:46] <vlt> Hello everyone!  From the first print job on (after I log in to a fresh Ubuntu MATE desktop session) I get to see *all* of the CUPS notifications from *all* users (including document titles). How can I stop this?
[17:51] <SoulMan404> Hello All, how do I check which process is running in a certain port?
[17:52] <SoulMan404> Basically I neeed to kill it
[18:03] <mrsideways> jeremy31, does woeusb install for uefi or only i386?
[18:03] <jeremy31> mrsideways: I am not sure
[18:04] <mrsideways> I'm just going to create the usb with a win7 vm
[18:05] <mrsideways> because this won't uefi boot, and i think it's because it had to use ntfs(fat32 supplied error that one file was too big)
[18:09] <afidegnum> i had ctags and exhuberant-ctags installed but ctags -R returns empty and i also have an error of Couldn't find 'ctags' executable! Searched for executables with names: ["exuberant-ctags"]. Is 'ctags' correctly installed?
[18:09] <ducasse> mrsideways: uefi won't boot from ntfs, you're right there
[18:10] <ducasse> afidegnum: have you tried reinstalling the package?
[18:10] <afidegnum> yes,
[18:11] <afidegnum> but no success
[18:12] <ducasse> afidegnum: what's the package name?
[18:12] <afidegnum> exhuberant-ctags
[18:13] <ducasse> try 'dpkg -L exhuberant-ctags' to see which files it installs
[18:13] <afidegnum> ok
[18:14] <ioria> !info exhuberant-ctags
[18:14] <ioria> it's a snap then
[18:14] <afidegnum> ioria: i'm using ubuntu 18.04 installed via apt
[18:14] <ioria> !info exhuberant-ctags bionic
[18:15] <afidegnum> dpkg -L exhuberant-ctags
[18:15] <afidegnum> dpkg-query: package 'exhuberant-ctags' is not installed
[18:15] <ducasse> no snap with that name, where is this from?
[18:15] <afidegnum> and apt gave me the impression of it being installed
[18:15] <ioria> ducasse, snap is 'universal-ctags'
[18:15] <ducasse> ack
[18:16] <jeremy31> !info exuberant-ctags bionic
[18:16] <ioria> lol
[18:16] <ducasse> spelling is hard :)
[18:17] <BigBrothyr> where can I find sent error reports? every time I boot up, I get an error window and only a 'send report' or 'cancel' and now view option.
[18:17] <ioria> lost my sight with tshark logs
[18:17] <oerheks> !whoopsy
[18:17] <oerheks> hmm not a factoid
[18:18] <afidegnum>  dpkg -L exuberant-ctags
[18:18] <afidegnum> /.
[18:18] <afidegnum> /usr
[18:18] <afidegnum> /usr/share
[18:18] <afidegnum> /usr/share/doc
[18:18] <afidegnum> /usr/share/doc/exuberant-ctags
[18:19] <afidegnum> hi
[18:19] <tomreyn> !paste | afidegnum
[18:20] <tomreyn> and hi, too
[18:20] <afidegnum> ok
[18:20] <afidegnum> so exuberant ctags is installed but not working
[18:21] <oerheks> BigBrothyr, crash reposrts are in;  ls -l /var/crash/   but the whoopsie report is not human readable
[18:22] <BigBrothyr> would be nice to know why it's only started recently. no new installs.
[18:23] <tomreyn> oerheks / BigBrothyr: apport-unpack can make them readable
[18:26] <afidegnum> any insight ?
[18:27] <ioria> afidegnum, ls /usr/bin/ctags-exuberant
[18:27] <afidegnum> /usr/bin/ctags-exuberant
[18:27] <ioria> run that
[18:29] <afidegnum> it returns empty
[18:32] <ducasse> afidegnum: 'echo $?'
[18:32] <afidegnum> it returned $
[18:32] <tomreyn> BigBrothyr: how to view your reports: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/whoopsie_reports
[18:33] <tomreyn> you only get access to a listing, though, not the details, i think
[18:33] <BigBrothyr> thanks.
[18:34] <tomreyn> BigBrothyr: i can maybe tell you a relevant bug report if you tell me one or two of the links this overview points to.
[18:34] <tomreyn> feel free to pm
[18:37] <ioria> afidegnum, i suggest to remove that pkg, and try the snap version : https://snapcraft.io/universal-ctags
[18:37] <BigBrothyr> _usr_sbin_lightdm.0.crash _usr_lib_gvfs_gvfsd-smb-browse.1000.crash
[18:38] <BigBrothyr> but... these are dated, jan 25 and 28 nothing from today or past startups that would give reason for an error window every time.
[18:39] <BigBrothyr> wait, what's 'total 1420' mean? 1,420 errors?
[18:42] <afidegnum> ioria: i'm still having the issue
[18:43] <ioria> afidegnum, ctags is found now ?
[18:43] <afidegnum> yes but my system still bugs
[18:44] <afidegnum> rusty-tags emacs
[18:44] <afidegnum> Couldn't find 'ctags' executable! Searched for executables with names: ["exuberant-ctags"]. Is 'ctags' correctly installed?
[18:46] <ioria> afidegnum, mmm,   run 'hash -r' and try again with  sudo snap connect universal-ctags:dot-ctags
[18:47] <afidegnum> no luck
[18:50] <ioria> afidegnum, maybe you just needed to link /usr/bin/ctags-exuberant to ctags .. idk sy
[18:51] <afidegnum> ok,
[18:51] <afidegnum> what's the command?
[18:52] <ducasse> 'sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ctags-exuberant /usr/bin/ctags'
[18:53] <ducasse> dunno if it'll help
[18:53] <afidegnum> ln: failed to create symbolic link '/usr/bin/ctags': File exists
[18:54] <afidegnum> there is an existing symlink
[18:54] <afidegnum> how do i find out the source of the link,?
[18:55] <ducasse> 'readlink /usr/bin/ctags'
[18:56] <afidegnum> /etc/alternatives/ctags
[19:00] <ioria> afidegnum, update-alternatives --display ctags
[19:04] <afidegnum> ioria: ?
[19:04] <ioria> afidegnum, does it return something ?
[19:10] <afidegnum> ioria: https://dpaste.org/gUFC
[19:11] <ioria> afidegnum, looks fine to me
[19:15] <ioria> apart from this : /usr/bin/ctags26
[19:17] <afidegnum> ok
[19:17] <afidegnum> let me hold on for a little
[19:39] <ioria> afidegnum, i don't understand where you took  that 'ctags26'  from (also with higher priority)
[19:39] <Mrbuck> hi, right click works with 2 fingers touch why this?
[19:39] <Mrbuck> not with single fonger
[19:39] <Mrbuck> finger*
[19:52] <ioria> afidegnum, a from here maybe emacs26 (26.3~1.git96dd019-kk1+18.04)
[19:54] <quesker> how can I add a permanent static route?  the single interface uses dhcp.  I don't have /etc/network/interfaces
[19:55] <quesker> (server 19)
[19:55] <ducasse> !yy.mm
[19:56] <quesker> if you are doing major changes to simple networking between minor revisions then well that is just dumb
[19:56] <quesker> but 19.10 if it helps
[19:56] <ducasse> we mostly care because 19.04 is eol
[19:57] <quesker> ah ok
[19:57] <ducasse> are you using netplan?
[19:57] <quesker> I don't know what netplan is so I don't think so
[19:57] <quesker> just default install
[19:57] <ducasse> networking was set up by the installer?
[19:57] <ioria> deafult install uses netplan
[19:58] <quesker> I don't remember specifying anything about net but if I did I chose dhcp
[19:58] <ioria> quesker, ls /etc/netplan
[19:58] <quesker> 50-cloud-init.yaml
[19:59] <ioria> you set what you want in there
[19:59] <quesker> ok thanks
[19:59] <openface> Command 'pwsh' is available in '/snap/bin/pwsh'
[19:59] <ducasse> there are plenty examples at netplan.io, quesker
[20:00] <mcseccne> my /etc/netplan displays 01-netcfg.yaml
[20:02] <quesker> this is crazy.  I will manually add the route when I reboot
[20:03] <ioria> mcseccne, that is a cloud image , yours is regular server
[20:03] <quesker> so being in a vm makes it think it is cloud?
[20:03] <quesker> I guess that's all cloud really is
[20:03] <mcseccne> ah Ic thank you newbie here just trying to learn
[20:05] <mcseccne> yes i have a server and I have managed to configure dns ntp apache2 and working on nfs but its giving me some issues
[20:06] <mcseccne> when i get brave enough ill setup postfix doesnt seem to bad
[20:09] <quesker> ok I actually figured out the syntax.  whew
[20:09] <quesker> found an example on that netplan.io     thanks
[20:10] <ioria> quesker, probably it will work, maybe not; i remember you need to disable network configuration by cloud-init
[20:11] <mcseccne> @quesker syntax whew...hahaha i hear you
[20:11] <quesker> so I need a <IP_ADDRESS>/24 route, then my vpn adds a <IP_ADDRESS>/8 to tun0.  that is fine for a while then the /24 route just disappears.  fun stuff
[20:12] <quesker> it worked through a reboot so hopefully it stays
[20:13] <quesker> that netplan stuff I mean
[20:13] <ioria> ok
[20:19] <thenori> Hi everyone! Ever since I installed poetry, I've been getting a strange error message on login. I was wondering if y'all could help!
[20:19] <thenori> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8cBGxmtyfzGkb5aZ8
[20:20] <thenori> https://github.com/thenorili/01dotfiles/blob/master/.profile
[20:30] <openface> how to install powershell in ubuntu
[20:31] <thenori> @openface google powershell for linux
[20:32] <oerheks> powershell, if you *really* want this blob:  https://snapcraft.io/powershell
[20:35] <ioria> thenori, no idea what that poetry is : but run  'diff  /etc/skel/ ~/.profile'
[20:35] <ioria> thenori, sy,  diff  /etc/skel/.profile  ~/.profile
[20:36] <thenori> https://bpaste.net/QJAQ
[20:37] <thenori> What's the significance of this, ioria?
[20:38] <kreyren> How can i flash VBIOS on ubuntu?
[20:38] <ioria> thenori, your original .profile has been modified:   if you want to restore it, you can backup your  /home/$USER/.profile  and copy over  /etc/skel/.profile
[20:39] <oerheks> kreyren, there is a wiki, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIOSUpdate
[20:39] <oerheks> !info fwupdate
[20:40] <oerheks> also fwupdate, https://itsfoss.com/update-firmware-ubuntu/
[20:40] <thenori> Could you clarify what exactly that would do, ioria? The modifications to my ~/.profile are all purposeful as far as I'm aware, I'm just looking for the reason behind this error.
[20:41] <ioria> thenori, the reason is that those modifications are not compatible with your system settings (probably)
[20:43] <thenori> I'm hesitant to revert all modifications to my .profile when I'm still unsure of the nature of the error.
[20:44] <kreyren> oerheks, BIOS != VBIOS
[20:44] <thenori> I'm not even sure what the error implies.
[20:44] <ioria> thenori, why don't you ask to the 'poetry' maintainer ?
[20:44] <kreyren> this is for GPU VBIOS
[20:44] <oerheks> maybe you need to sdjust to python3, https://github.com/python-poetry/poetry/issues/1543
[20:44] <oerheks> kreyren, check the vendor and the wiki, if there is no solution; install windows?
[20:45] <kreyren> oerheks, installing windows is not an option
[20:45] <oerheks> one could do that without register, iso download is free on the wondows pages.
[20:45] <kreyren> vendor provides atiflash which doesn't work
[20:46] <oerheks> then .. no, not on ubuntu??
[20:46] <ducasse> kreyren: you only need windows pe to run most flash utils, try hiren's boot cd or similar
[20:47] <oerheks> did you check out fwupdate? i might cover the videobios too.. i would install windows for this.
[20:47] <kreyren> oerheks, link?
[20:47] <oerheks> huh?
[20:47] <oerheks> read back please
[20:47] <kreyren> on fwupdate ?
[20:52] <kreyren> fwupdate doesn't seem to support VBIOS
[20:53] <thenori> Thank you so much oerheks!
[20:54] <ducasse> kreyren: good chance you need windows for this
[20:55] <oerheks> thenori, have fun!
[20:55] <Croran> How do I change the Ubuntu background at the first login screen? It's currently the 'beaver' logo.
[20:58] <oerheks> Croran, lock screen setting is in  gnome-tweak-tool,but that is different from loginscreen IIRC , see  https://vitux.com/how-to-change-login-lock-screen-background-in-ubuntu/
[20:58] <Croran> I've already got the lock screen set the way I want it.
[20:58] <Croran> The only one that is wrong is the initial login screen.
[20:59] <kreyren> ducasse, using windows is not an option i need this functionality on linux
[20:59] <ducasse> kreyren: why? do you need to do it often?
[21:00] <oerheks> wait for an update in fwupdate..
[21:00] <oerheks> this is the best info i have
[21:00] <Croran> I found an 'ask ubuntu' answer that says to change to root and overwrite /usr/share/background/warty-final-ubuntu.png with my own preferred image.  I'm sure there must be an officially supported way that doesn't require overwriting read-only system files.
[21:00] <kreyren> ducasse, yes
[21:01] <oerheks> Croran, are you sure? why did you not find it then?
[21:01] <kreyren> oerheks, are you sure that this is done using fwupdate on linux>?
[21:01] <oerheks> lolz
[21:01] <kreyren> i could contribute to that i guess
[21:01] <oerheks> kreyren, yes, this tool, linux wide, is the replacement for the need of windows
[21:02] <ducasse> kreyren: the vendor would need to get it into fwupdate, you can't
[21:02] <mrsideways> so earlier I asked how to make windows 10 install usb from ubuntu, after trying many programs that didn't work, I just used dd and it worked properly
[21:02] <oerheks> this is the github project https://github.com/fwupd/fwupd
[21:02] <mrsideways> just saying my solution incase anyone else wants to do this
[21:04] <guntbert_> mrsideways: thx for reporting back
[21:04] <oerheks> .. just dd the windows iso .. never worked for me, mkusb or just normal on a windows machine itself works.
[21:06] <Croran> ok. seems like an ugly hack to change something that even the most novice and technical users have a good reason to change.
[21:06] <Croran> novice and non-technical*
[21:17] <wedr> Isn't the official way to overwrite system files is to be a root user?
[21:17] <wedr> Technically, nothing is higher than root user.
[21:17] <wedr> Unless you're telling me that a root user is actually a lower-level super admin user in the Linux ecosystem.....
[21:18] <wedr> And there may be trunk user, branch user, and leaf user... all higher than root user.
[21:24] <ducasse> wedr: if you disregard things like selinux, root can do anything
[21:25] <wedr> Then that root user should be obliged to modify system file as they please.
[21:25] <ducasse> are you unable to?
[21:34] <p0a> Hello how can I check whether my tex install is full or not?
[21:34] <p0a> I had a full tex install but after upgrading to 19.10 it seems I no longer have tikzcd...
[21:36] <roboto79> i am trying to play a dvd for first time on my 18.04 system using mate. vlc gives me blank video, choppy audio. what package am i missing?
[21:37] <p0a> says I have texlive-full installed... but tikzcd is missing?
[21:37] <p0a> roboto79: does vlc give you any diagnostics?
[21:37] <bprompt> hmm
[21:38] <bprompt> p0a:  I have a full tex-live installation and never used tikzcd myself :), kubuntu 16.04
[21:38] <p0a> bprompt: lemme check sth. What do you use if not tikzcd?
[21:38] <roboto79> vlc plays it. i did not start from term though. i get no video, just the pylon, audio very choppy.
[21:38] <bprompt> p0a:  don't need it I guess :)
[21:38] <bprompt> p0a:  I do quite a bit of LaTeX, and have a full tex-live installation
[21:38] <p0a> roboto79: vlc should be giving out some errors/warnings. Take a look.
[21:39] <p0a> bprompt: do you want a cookie or what
[21:39] <ducasse> !dvd | roboto79
[21:40] <bprompt> roboto79:  a dvd from the optical DVD drive as in /dev/sdvd? or an mp4 or mkv file?
[21:40] <smacktalk>  EriC^^ are you here?
[21:40] <EriC^^> yeah
[21:40] <roboto79> video DVD. Just got in mail today
[21:40] <roboto79> mounted as /dev/sr0
[21:41] <p0a> Apparnetly it's called tikz-cd oops. Nevemrind guys
[21:41] <EriC^^> smacktalk: what's up?
[21:41] <smacktalk> I did that command you suggeste
[21:42] <bprompt> roboto79:   hmmm not sure if 18.04 uses still, but I install libdvd-pkg, I am running 16.04
[21:42] <smacktalk> EriC^^ k if i open a brief chat session
[21:43] <smacktalk> I don't want to share with the whole group
[21:43] <EriC^^> smacktalk: there shouldnt be anything sensitive there
[21:43] <roboto79> went to link someone sent. cut/paste their line. i already have the packages, and they r up to date
[21:43] <EriC^^> smacktalk: it's boot.log and syslog right?
[21:43] <bprompt> roboto79:  from what I can tell, libdvd-pkg does about what the libdvdcss2 package used to do
[21:43] <roboto79> bprompt yea, libdvd-pkg installed
[21:44] <smacktalk> I only got syslog
[21:44] <smacktalk> oh got boot.log now
[21:44] <smacktalk> https://termbin.com/ygjd
[21:46] <smacktalk> https://termbin.com/90yb
[21:50] <littlekimmy> hi
[21:51] <littlekimmy> when i open a file it opens in gedit, but I want it to open in emacs
[21:51] <littlekimmy> in FM sometimes though it opens in emacs but sometimes in gedit?
[21:51] <tomreyn> frequency modulation?
[21:55] <bprompt> FM = file manager, methinks
[21:55] <bprompt> that's acronym 100,001 in the computer dictionary
[21:55] <ducasse> then that is what they should write, as it's not obvious
[21:56] <bprompt> ducasse:  fully agree :)
[22:06] <puff> Doing a fresh install for the first time in quite a while, it's asking me for a password for (or to set up an account for) Ubuntu Single Sign On.  What's the deal with this?  Is this just Ubuntu One rebranded or something else?
[22:09] <puff> Most of what I can find in google about Ubuntu Single Sign On is past-tense. Hm.
[22:10] <thenori> Log in - Ubuntu Single Sign On
[22:10] <thenori> [Search domain login.ubuntu.com] https://login.ubuntu.com
[22:10] <thenori> Ubuntu One is the single account you use to log in to all services and sites related to Ubuntu. If you have an existing Ubuntu Single Sign On account, this is now called your Ubuntu One account.
[22:10] <thenori> That's the first google result for 'Ubuntu Single Sign On'
[22:10] <thenori> add'ly "Your Ubuntu One account - Ubuntu Single Sign On"
[22:11] <thenori> From what I can tell, it's both a deprecated service and a synonym for Ubuntu One
[22:14] <puff> Then why is 18 LTS asking me to sign into it?
[22:17] <tomreyn> puff: Ubuntu One used to be both the sigle sign-on and a file storage service. nowadays it's just the single sign-on service, which grants access to Launchpad, but also to contract based and commercial Canonical services.
[22:19] <tomreyn> but also to several community oriented services such as forums and the like.
[22:19] <puff> tomreyn: ah, thanks.
[22:20] <puff> What do you think about livepatch, should I set it up?
[22:20] <tomreyn> puff: i think the reason the ubuntu desktop installer asks for it (which is entirely optional) is to enable you to subscribe to livepatch
[22:21] <tomreyn> !livepatch
[22:22] <tomreyn> up to you, it's a canonical service. most volunteers here prefer just helping out with ubuntu itself.
[22:22] <puff> Hm, I just reset my password via the web browser on another machine but the dialog on the freshly installed machine doesn't like the new password.  It doesn't give me any option to change the username, which is spelled with spaces.
[22:22] <puff> tomreyn: I'm not sure what you mean by "just helping out with ubuntu itself".
[22:22] <tomreyn> puff: ubuntu,t he operating system you downloaded and installed.
[22:23] <tomreyn> in contrary to commercial software-as-a-service offerings
[22:24] <puff> tomreyn: aha.
[22:26] <tomreyn> there is #ubuntuone for issues with the SSO
[22:26] <mcseccne> I installed livepatch on my system wanted to see what the deal was...not sure if it can be removed or not but once installed it didnt cause me any issues
[22:27] <puff> tomreyn: Thanks.  I'll skip livepatch for now I guess.
[22:27] <tomreyn> mcseccne: it's a snap, can be managed using the "snap" command.
[22:27] <mcseccne> for me its nice for it to update and not rebbot
[22:27] <mcseccne> reboot
[22:27] <tomreyn> !snap
[22:28] <mcseccne> livepatch nis free for the first three
[22:28] <mcseccne> machines
[22:29] <tomreyn> for personal, non-commercial, use, yes
[22:29] <mcseccne> both
[22:29] <kxsl> source code: the original distro independent package format
[22:29] <tomreyn> smacktalk: did you have any ubuntu questions there?
[22:30] <mcseccne> if you need more than three then you pay small fee to my knowledge is good for production systems you dont want to take down with certain updates
[22:31] <mcseccne> I often used to see system needs reboot I havent seen that since installing livepatch
[22:32] <mcseccne> thank you tomreyn good to know
[22:33] <kxsl> so what does livepatch do? if the packages don't genuinely need reboots but say they do anyway, aren't those bugs?
[22:33] <tomreyn> mcseccne: you're welcome. there's also a discussion channel at #ubuntu-discuss for non ubuntu support topics.
[22:33] <tomreyn> kxsl: would you like to join, too?
[22:34] <kxsl> joined
[22:36] <arooni> how do i change which editor sudo crontab -e uses?  i've already tried running sudo su; then select-editor; or update-alternatives --config editor ;; doesnt seem to work for new sudo crontab -e requests
[22:37] <arooni> maybe i have to log out and back in for select-editor to work?
[22:37] <EdFletcherT137> arooni: set EDITOR env var
[22:39] <GWM> So I have a stupid question, what is the name of the actual input block itself in a terminal? I mean, the blank space that is sometimes colored by bash
[22:40] <EdFletcherT137> GWM: generally referred to as the "cursor"
[22:41] <GWM> Never gave it a thought
[22:41] <GWM> Thanks you
[22:41] <EdFletcherT137> I had to think about myself! not something that often comes up :) you're very welcome GWM
[22:57] <len> Hey guys! I run apt upgrade and lost connection to my SSH. Can I somehow recover this shell session or at least send "N" to *** telegraf.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] choice... ?
[22:58] <tomreyn> if you ran it in a byobu, tmux or screen session, yes, otherwise, maybe, but not really.
[22:59] <tomreyn> the official answer would be "no", and you should probably just kill the hanging debconf or dpkg process.
[23:00] <tomreyn> pstree, then find the lowest one
[23:01] <tomreyn> for the hack-ish "not really" method, look into   reptyr -T
[23:03] <tomreyn> len: but, when connecting through a network (or any other not 100% reliable) link, make sure you run any process which may require input or create output you don't want to miss in a terminal multiplexer in the future.
[23:04] <len> Yeah I'm aware I did it wrong this time.  I will install reptyr just to be safe next time
[23:31] <roboto79> ok. have problem. vlc will not play video of a store dvd. i can get dvd menus. when i choose an episode, i get no video and choppy audio. however, if i start vlc, and choose no dvd menus, video vob files play perfect. what gives
[23:35] <tomreyn> !dvdcss
[23:36] <tomreyn> !dvd
[23:36] <roboto79> installed. read where deleting .dvdcss dir and letting it rebuild may not. not so.
[23:37] <roboto79> ubottu been there. have all the packages install. ran dpkg-reconfigure for libdvd-pkg
[23:39] <tomreyn> hmm i wouldn't know then, haven't done dvd's in years.
[23:40] <roboto79> tomreyn yea, me either, but bought this older tv series. want to put it on my nas. even if i copy the vob to my desktop it has same playback probs.
[23:41] <kxsl> how did you copy the disc? i usually use dvdbackup and the backups it makes always work the same way as the original discs
[23:41] <oerheks> i switched from vlc to gnome-mpv
[23:42] <oerheks> same procedure for dvd codecs install and upgrade
[23:42] <roboto79> kxsl, i can get to the disc through any file manager, or term. so i just cp file.vob to desktop
[23:42] <oerheks> and if buttons do not work, use keyboard
[23:43] <roboto79> oerheks, apt cant find gnome-mpv
[23:44] <oerheks> should be, in universe repo
[23:44] <kxsl> i always copy the entire disc with dvdbackup's mirror mode. i dont take specific titles or files. i dont like taking the time to figure that out at rip time and the extra disc space needed for the extra titles is usually negligible compared to the space needed for the main title
[23:47] <roboto79> kxsl, i will try dvdbackup. i dont worry about disk space. i have 21TB for movie space
[23:48] <kxsl> i use handbrake to convert the files to h265+opus. most movies from dvds come out to several hundred mbs
[23:50] <roboto79> handbrake always locks up on me, dunno why.
[23:51] <kxsl> i don't know about that, i encode with it on windows so i can use my gpus
[23:55] <ducasse> handbrake should be able to use gpu accel now, i think, at least for intel
[23:56] <roboto79> trying dvdbackup... seems to be mirroring it but have to see if it will play once backed up
[23:59] <roboto79> kxsl, dvdbackup worked. i can play the separate vob file. thx


[00:08] <mhall119|work> nixternal: highvoltage: I cleaned up the copyright and control and compat files on my packages and uploaded new ones
[00:09] <mhall119|work> stgraber: ^^
[02:39] <stgraber> Edubuntu menu editor announced: http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/16/say-hi-edubuntu-menu-editor
[02:56] <mhall119|work> stgraber: nice, is that part of sabayon?
[02:59] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: ?
[03:05] <stgraber> mhall119|work: nope, sabayon works quite differently actually. You could use it to perform something similar, though we wanted to follow the XDG standards there which offers a good number of advantages compared to sabayon's way (overwritting files in the home directory). XDG uses configuration in /etc/, scripts to determine what profile to apply and in which order (it supports inheriting options).
[03:05] <stgraber> mhall119|work: basically, we're using the same backend functions as gnome-simple-menu-editor and alacarte but make it apply system-wide using the existing XDG and desktop-profile infrastructure.
[03:06] <stgraber> mhall119|work: in the future, the idea is to be able to use that inheriting (we do it at Revolution Linux, but manually for now) and be able to apply a district-wide menu, then school-specifc, then grade-specific
[03:06] <stgraber> each adding entries, hiding others and renaming some others
[03:07] <mhall119|work> ah, ok
[03:07] <mhall119|work> I might want that
[03:07] <mhall119|work> for Qimo
[03:07] <stgraber> also, it makes it extremely easy to export your new menu (you don't even need to be an admin to create the menu, you only need to be an admin to apply it), share it with colleagues, other schools, ... and import + assign the ones you want
[03:07] <mhall119|work> I'd love to make a launcher panel that gets it's launchers from an XDG category
[03:27] <sbalneav> mhall119|work: That's what you need sabayon for :)
[03:28] <sbalneav> Well, actually, if you know gconf inside and out, you don't need sabayon at all. :)
[03:32] <stgraber> sbalneav: it'd really be great if we could have sabayon to use XDG to do that kind of group-based settings (gconf/menu) instead of unpacking a .tar.gz in the home directory :) but that's a lot of work to make that all user friendly ...
[03:33] <stgraber> sbalneav: XDG is very powerful and can do everything that sabayon can do (as long as it's in xdg or gconf) but it's quite hard to put a UI on top of that. The menu editor is our first try at doing that :)
[03:34] <sbalneav> XDG doesn't handle gconf, AFAIK
[03:35] <stgraber> it does
[03:35] <mgariepy> XDG no but desktop-profiles does.
[03:35] <sbalneav> buh?
[03:35] <stgraber> right, desktop-profiles does. Sorry got mixed up between these two again ;)
[03:35] <mgariepy> well kinda does
[03:36] <stgraber> but we have inheriting working and the same magic applies (checking for system groups or whatever you want and apply or not based on that)
[03:36] <stgraber> though we never used it in production (or am I wrong there ?) so we haven't spent that much time testing/fixing it (where needed)
[03:37] <sbalneav> Well, there's no reason why sabayon CAN'T do whatever it can within the XDG framework.
[03:37] <sbalneav> the various sources (gconf and file are the only two working ones) just basically keep track of changes
[03:37] <mgariepy> we use inheriting for screen locking in gnome
[03:38] <sbalneav> then they zip the changes up into a zipfile, which gets unpacked into the users $HOME.
[03:38] <mgariepy> $ cat /etc/gconf/2/path  | grep -2 "sabayon\|desktop-profiles"
[03:38] <stgraber> right, instead of unpacking in $HOME, you'd unpack ONCE in /etc/desktop-profiles/ and put a desktop-profile script that matches the user or the group and apply whatever is in desktop-profiles if it matches
[03:38] <sbalneav> nothing says the sources couldn't be modified to take the changes and turn them into something XDG compliant.
[03:39] <mgariepy> both are supported by gnome ;)
[03:39] <sbalneav> yeag
[03:39] <stgraber> that way you'll save a lot of space and have inheriting working at the same time
[03:40] <sbalneav> I think making sabayon XDG compliant would be a laudable, and exceedingly useful goal.
[03:40] <stgraber> yep
[03:41] <mgariepy> hey sbalneav have you played with menueditor a bit ?
[03:42] <sbalneav> Not yet, but I'm going to kick off an edubuntu DVD download tonight, re-install my box from scratch to test the installer, and I'll have a look at it then.
[03:42] <sbalneav> the ned dvd's there, yes?
[03:42] <stgraber> sbalneav: today's daily works quite well and contains the menu editor
[03:43] <sbalneav> cool.  I'll kick off the download before bedtime
[03:43] <stgraber> oh, actually, tomorrow's already built :)
[03:43] <stgraber> no idea if it works but I see no reason it wouldn't
[03:44] <stgraber> oh, and we have the new artwork on that one too !!
[03:44] <stgraber> just in time for tomorrow's meeting, great
[03:45]  * stgraber rsyncs (sorry mgariepy ;))
[03:45] <sbalneav> What's the rsync line again? (save me the hunting in my notes, please :))
[03:46] <stgraber> rsync -avPz rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/dvd/20100217/lucid-dvd-amd64.iso lucid-dvd-amd64.iso
[03:46] <stgraber> I just started that one, not sure it's the right one but at least it's downloading something ;)
[03:46] <stgraber> ok, looking at what it's doing, it's downloading only the missing parts, so it's the right rsync line :)
[03:48] <sbalneav> got it.  downloading
[04:12] <stgraber> https://www.stgraber.org/download/images/edubuntu-daily.png
[04:12] <stgraber> screenshot of the default desktop on current daily
[04:13] <stgraber> and we have 763 language pack packages ;)
[04:14] <stgraber> for 273 languages !!!
[04:15] <stgraber> 139 actually once we drop the per-country variants
[04:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> awesome work on menu system
[04:16] <Ahmuck-Sr> this is a big ++
[04:19] <sbalneav> Ahmuck-Sr: What did you mean about the ping you gave me about dropbox.com?
[04:20] <Ahmuck-Sr> i found it on xpud.  it was interesting.  don't recall the stream of conciousnes that would have caused me to drop it here though
[04:21] <sbalneav> Doesn't load for me.
[04:21] <sbalneav> oh, now it does
[04:22] <sbalneav> earlier it was saying it couldn't find the domain.
[04:34] <mgariepy> gnite everyone
[04:35] <sbalneav> Same here, heading to bed.
[04:35] <sbalneav> Nioght all
[04:37] <mhall119|work> stgraber: I mean, I want to make the qimo launcher include launchers from the Games menu
[04:37] <mhall119|work> so that if a user installed a new game, the launcher for it shows up in Qimo's launcher automagically
[04:37] <mhall119|work> I don't think sabayon can do that, can it?
[04:49] <mhall119|work> well I'm calling it a night
[04:50] <mhall119|work> stgraber: nixternal: highvoltage: if you guys could check my Qimo packages again in the morning, I would appreciate it
[05:14] <lightnin> Hi All - I'm trying to Scratch - a programming language for kids developed at MIT Media lab - into multiverse in time for feature freeze. We need advocacy from a few MOTUs - can anyone help? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scratch
[05:15] <lightnin> oops I'm trying to _get_ Scratch into multiverse...
[07:36] <alkisg> Καλημέρα
[07:45] <Eeyore-Jr> anybody up?
[07:56] <alkisg> Hi Eeyore-Jr
[07:59] <Eeyore-Jr> seen this? - http://www.ylmf.org/en/
[08:04] <alkisg> No - is that Ubuntu with a Windows theme?
[08:06] <Eeyore-Jr> it's based on ubuntu, yes
[08:06] <Eeyore-Jr> as of this week, i'm dumping my kubuntu install
[08:06]  * alkisg wonders why people keep releasing ubuntu remixes instead of just theme packages...
[08:07] <Eeyore-Jr> i like ubuntu netbook remix
[08:07] <Eeyore-Jr> ubuntu makes it hard to theme?
[08:07] <alkisg> I don't think so, it's standard gnome themes...
[08:07] <Eeyore-Jr> anywho, i always use the command line to install software, havn't looked at the latest software installer, but this installer is a breeeeze
[08:10] <alkisg> Heh, it's fun that they have the standard gnome menu, but on their site the screenshot is a mockup with the windows start menu :D
[08:11] <Tm_T> not to mention the're apparently company behind that
[08:11] <Tm_T> +s
[08:11] <Tm_T> -other typos ):
[08:25] <Eeyore-Jr> companies behind ylmf?
[08:25] <Eeyore-Jr> Tm_T: ?
[08:25] <Eeyore-Jr> alkisg: yes, i noticed that the screenshot has a windows menu.  wondered if that menu was available, and looking now
[08:51] <Eeyore-Jr> upon closer inspection, i see ubuntu has the same software installer
[08:51] <Eeyore-Jr> it really is nothing but a themed verison of ubuntu
[08:55] <alkisg> Right... and I think the windows-looking theme can also be found in the gnome themes site
[08:58] <Eeyore-Jr> problem is, i doubt one would get away with using that theme on OEM computers
[08:58] <Eeyore-Jr> because of copyright
[09:00] <Eeyore-Jr> it's interesting though, as i've completly re-discoverd gnome
[09:00] <Eeyore-Jr> and am seriously considering dumping kde because of the overhead it puts on my system
[09:01] <Tm_T> Eeyore-Jr: see the footer in that site
[09:03] <Eeyore-Jr> wonder how they can claim copyright?
[09:04] <Eeyore-Jr> oddly nuff, i love kde apps, amarok, k3b, showfoto, etc.
[09:04] <Eeyore-Jr> konversation
[09:04] <Eeyore-Jr> well, it's 3:00 am for me, so i'd better be getting some rest
[10:20] <huayra> hi highvoltage
[10:22] <huayra> I took contact with a friend I know @ Skolelinux (the original project manager Knut yrvin, who is also the community manager of Qt, Now Nokia R&D)
[10:23] <huayra> He copied me with the Norwegian organization behind the development of Debian-Edu/Skolelinux here in Norway
[10:25] <huayra> There's some background already: http://wiki.skolelinux.de/Kooperation/Edubuntu
[10:26] <huayra> the idea should be to maybe get some Edubuntu people to be part of the Debian-Edu/Skolelinux Code Sprints and viceversa regarding i.e. the next UDS
[10:26] <highvoltage> huayra: great
[10:27] <huayra> and find out whatever happened to this great cooperation plans we had
[10:28] <huayra> and where we can continue from wherever we left
[10:28] <highvoltage> huayra: Petter and Knut was also at the Edubuntu Summit in 2005
[10:29] <huayra> I know, saw the link
[10:29] <highvoltage> huayra: lots of things happened in Edubuntu since then and in short, we basically started over last year
[10:29] <huayra> I have followed your development as well
[10:29] <huayra> and realied that you have laid new plans and revigoritized the project
[10:29] <highvoltage> indeed
[10:30] <huayra> that's why this debian/ubuntu cooperation comes at such an exciting point in time
[10:30] <huayra> and we could make those synergies also apply to these parallell
[10:30] <huayra> projects
[10:30] <highvoltage> I added #debian-edu to my autojoins at least :)
[10:30] <huayra> good :)
[10:31] <huayra> I will have a dialogue with them and see what we can do or at least try to get some working poitns up and see if we can have some edubuntu people at the next FRISK code sprint/summit
[10:31] <huayra> Will keep you updated ;)
[12:14] <joerg> hi
[12:40] <mhall119|work> morning
[13:35] <lightnin> Hi All - I'm trying to get Scratch - a programming language for kids developed at MIT Media lab - into multiverse in time for feature freeze. We need advocacy from a few MOTUs - can anyone help? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scratch
[13:39] <highvoltage> hi there joerg, mhall119|work and lightnin
[13:40] <lightnin> Hi highvoltage
[13:41] <highvoltage> lightnin: downloading the scratch sourcepackage now... will take a few minutes because I'm syncing edubuntu disc as well
[13:41] <lightnin> highvoltage: great! Thanks :)
[14:00] <highvoltage> lightnin: I might be wrong which is why I'm checking with you first, MIT license is a free license so why would it go into multiverse?
[14:01] <highvoltage> lightnin: nevermind that, I see now :)
[14:01] <lightnin> highvoltage: Ah - there are extra caveats. The software interfaces with our server (a repository of Scratch projects), so we don't make the sharing code available.
[14:03] <highvoltage> lightnin: the postinst does a chmod 666 to /etc/defaults.list before making a change and then reverts it back
[14:03] <highvoltage> lightnin: the script runs as root so that isn't necessary
[14:04] <highvoltage> lightnin: postrm has unnecessary use of cat that you can get rid of by using sed -i
[14:05] <lightnin> highvoltage: Ah, great! Removed chmod 666 line
[14:07] <lightnin> highvoltage: Probably these are related to install problems in Kubuntu: https://www.assembla.com/spaces/scratchonlinux/tickets/9-package-tries-to-write-to-defaults-list-file-in-kubuntu--which-doesn-t-exist-
[14:07] <lightnin> highvoltage: Is there a better way?
[14:10] <highvoltage> lightnin: if you use sed -i you don't have to do the mv anymore, so yes it will solve that
[14:10] <highvoltage> so instead of having:
[14:10] <highvoltage> cat /etc/gnome/defaults.list | sed -e '/application\/x\-scratch\-project\=scratch\.desktop/d' > ./defaults.list
[14:10] <highvoltage> mv ./defaults.list /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[14:10] <highvoltage> you should have sed -i '/application\/x\-scratch\-project\=scratch\.desktop/d' /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[14:11] <highvoltage> you could check whether the file exist first before doing that with an if statement
[14:12] <lightnin> highvoltage: now I must reveal the true depth of my ignorance...
[14:13] <lightnin> highvoltage: Not sure how to do that in this kind of script...
[14:14] <highvoltage> if [ -f /etc/gnome/defaults.list ]; then
[14:14] <highvoltage>   sed -i '/application\/x\-scratch\-project\=scratch\.desktop/d' /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[14:14] <highvoltage> fi
[14:15] <highvoltage> (-f checks whether a file exists)
[14:16] <lightnin> awesome
[14:20] <lightnin> highvoltage: so I should probably do same in posinst: if [ -f /etc/gnome/defaults.list ]; then echo "application/x-scratch-project=scratch.desktop" >> /etc/gnome/defaults.list
[14:20] <lightnin> and same for chmod 644 line?
[14:24] <highvoltage> lightnin: you don't need to do the chmod
[14:26] <lightnin> highvoltage: ah, not even the closing one, 644 - ok makes sense.
[14:26] <highvoltage> lightnin: and also what I'm suggestions will fix the problems in the scripts, not sure if it's the 100% right way to do it, but we'll get it in shape as far as we can and then get a second reviewer to look at it
[14:27] <lightnin> highvoltage: Wonderful! Have added changes (and read brief tutorial about scripts). Shall I build and test a new package, or shall we look at other issues?
[14:28] <highvoltage> lightnin: hold on a bit first
[14:30] <highvoltage> lightnin: you should add ${misc:Depends} as s dependency
[14:31] <lightnin> highvoltage: lol! it turned into a smiley...
[14:33] <lightnin> so: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}    ?
[14:33] <highvoltage> lightnin: yep
[14:33] <highvoltage> lightnin: your version number doesn't seem right, although I'm not 100% sure what it should be. I suggest you ask on #ubuntu-motu
[14:35] <highvoltage> lightnin: and once you have that right you should rebuilt and submit again. if you ask nixternal nicely he'll review the package as well. he's more capable than me when it comes to reviewing. I don't think there are much you have to sort out after that
[14:37] <lightnin> highvoltage: Great! Are the other errors (the Lintian error) listed on the revu page ok to disregard?
[14:37] <lightnin> It doesn't seem to like our original maintainer line in the control file...
[14:38] <highvoltage> lightnin: I think you should drop that field, but it might be best to get a second opinion
[14:38] <lightnin> I'm not attached to it, if it's causing problems.. Just put it in there to match what the packaging wiki described. So I'll remove it.
[14:41] <lightnin> highvoltage: Thanks _so_ much for all your help. We really appreciate it! :)
[14:49] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:58] <joerg> evening :)
[15:02] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: what's the process for bug fixes to packages in revu or universe?
[15:03] <mhall119|work> I assume the freeze doesn't block them
[15:03] <mhall119|work> is that correct?
[15:09] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: that is correct
[15:09] <highvoltage> morning sbalneav
[15:09] <mhall119|work> cool, cause I just found a bug in my session configs ;)
[15:41] <mhall119|work> success!
[16:00] <sbalneav> Morning alkisg
[16:06] <alkisg> Hi sbalneav
[16:11] <joerg> sbalneav, hey....can you help me with some ldap stuff?
[16:13] <sbalneav> joerg: sure.
[16:13] <sbalneav> what can I help you with?
[16:16] <joerg> just a conceptional question
[16:17] <sbalneav> Sure, shoot.
[16:17] <joerg> http://www.myserv-project.org/specs:social
[16:17] <joerg> just scan this one first
[16:17] <joerg> that gives you an idea how users and groups are organized
[16:19] <joerg> basically: there are profiles which contain interactive applications to collaborate and share things like files, materials, media.
[16:20] <joerg> the owner has the right to change them (should add that as well, that's missing)
[16:20] <joerg> owner is the user himself or the group's founder/manager.
[16:20] <joerg> sbalneav, and now....the question is: how to map that to ldap
[16:21] <joerg> authentication of the users is not a problem at all.
[16:21] <joerg> they'll have a posixAccount in the ldap DB and we can get the information from there.
[16:21] <joerg> but the groups....they are my problem.
[16:22] <joerg> usually a group (on a unix system) is a bunch of users that have the same permissions.
[16:22] <joerg> which is true for groups like "teachers" and "students"
[16:23] <joerg> but there will be heaps of groups like "class11a", "bowling-club", "students-newspaper" which don't need that.
[16:23] <sbalneav> right.
[16:23] <joerg> they just wanna have their profile with a discussion board
[16:23] <joerg> and in the case of the mag/newspaper a shared folder
[16:24] <sbalneav> So probably what you want is an additional schema object, associated with myserv-project
[16:24] <joerg> where group members (or maybe everybody) can upload files and hand in articles or photos.
[16:24] <sbalneav> this schema object could be a simple string
[16:24] <joerg> sbalneav, well, either that or nothing at all.
[16:24] <joerg> if only the webapp needs that information
[16:24] <joerg> why not keep it in the webapp's postgres?
[16:24] <sbalneav> Well, true
[16:24] <sbalneav> but it would be nice to extend that to ldap
[16:25] <sbalneav> as a central point of admin
[16:25] <joerg> sure
[16:25] <joerg> just to have it in one place, right?
[16:25] <sbalneav> right
[16:25] <joerg> but what I think: I am using django as webframework
[16:25] <sbalneav> what you don't want, for an admin, when he/she adds a user, is have to do 14 things in 14 places
[16:25] <joerg> and it provides an easy to use administration for users, groups and all the models.
[16:25] <sbalneav> so add the user in ldap
[16:25] <sbalneav> then create a board
[16:25] <sbalneav> then do this
[16:25] <sbalneav> then do that, etc. :)
[16:26] <joerg> it would be nice to be not too dependent on ldap
[16:26] <joerg> I mean....ldap is the way to go
[16:26] <sbalneav> Well, sure, you don't want to be dependent on ldap
[16:26] <joerg> for a high school with 1.200 students like my old high school
[16:26] <joerg> but imagine a primary school
[16:26] <joerg> 200 students, 10 teachers or so
[16:27] <joerg> I don't want to give them an ldap setup.
[16:27] <sbalneav> right, yeah, LDAP's overkill in that use-case
[16:27] <joerg> because in the primary schools, usually only teachers have accounts
[16:27] <joerg> and setting up ldap for ten persons? :)
[16:27] <joerg> so, I thought about using the DB in the first place
[16:28] <joerg> and provide a synchronisation mechanism.
[16:28] <joerg> in django you have models and objects
[16:28] <joerg> to access the DB tables
[16:28] <joerg> and you could add a "signal" to a model like an interest group.
[16:29] <joerg> which means: whenever somebody adds, deletes or changes an interest group, the signal is fired.
[16:29] <sbalneav> lets put it this way: if you WANTED to tie arbitrary groups (formums, etc) into ldap, it's not that hard to do.  Just create schema object, off the top of my head, I'd say use the same schema type as posixGroup, so you can add arbitrary number od memberID's, then just make is a user writable schema object.
[16:29] <joerg> and the data could be written to ldap as well
[16:29] <sbalneav> right.
[16:29] <joerg> if the school has the ldap module running.
[16:29] <joerg> if not, nothing will happen.
[16:29] <sbalneav> right.
[16:30] <joerg> ok, well
[16:30] <sbalneav> doing what you want to do is perfectly valid, and easy under ldap.
[16:30] <joerg> now the only question is: interaction with the outside world :)
[16:31] <sbalneav> Well, ldap's permission framework allows you to specify updates from only certain hosts.
[16:31] <joerg> sbalneav, no, that's not what I mean
[16:31] <joerg> external services
[16:31] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[16:31] <joerg> the webapp is under my control
[16:31] <joerg> if I need something special I add a schema to ldap and I am done.
[16:31] <sbalneav> correct.
[16:32] <joerg> but, right now (with the crappy solution we have), there are only posixGroups
[16:32] <sbalneav> If you'd like, I could sit down today and create you some schema objects
[16:32] <joerg> which are stored in /etc/group of course because the company maintaining that solution probably thinks ldap is the name of my dog or a spice or whatever
[16:32] <joerg> at least they never heard of it it seems :D
[16:33] <joerg> sbalneav, hang on :)
[16:33] <sbalneav> ok :)
[16:33] <joerg> you could do that, but maybe it is too early...
[16:33] <joerg> I have a lot of ideas in my head and can't always say: yes, this is the way to go
[16:33] <joerg> so we might end up changing schemas again and again....
[16:34] <sbalneav> No problem.  You let me know what you need, ldap wise, I'll make it happen.
[16:38] <lightnin> highvoltage: I've uploaded the changes we talked about. Still working on the version issue - can you advocate now?
[16:39] <lightnin> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scratch
[16:40] <joerg> sbalneav, cool thx
[16:40] <joerg> sbalneav, but do you have an idea how to get the backend things going?
[16:41] <joerg> sbalneav, like, an interest group "school-newspaper" will need to have an e-mail adress.
[16:42] <joerg> sbalneav, would be enough if mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gets forwarded to all users in that group.
[16:42] <joerg> I know I could easily implement that by using an internal messaging system in the webapp
[16:43] <joerg> but people from outside the school would need to apply for an account first
[16:43] <joerg> and people want traditional old fashioned e-mail
[16:43] <joerg> because they have always used it.
[16:44] <joerg> and the old proprietary solution provided e-mail adresses for groups as well and if the new one doesn't it will be concerned as worse and will not be accepted :P
[16:45] <joerg> sbalneav, so somehow these interest groups which are no posix groups, should be honoured by the mailserver / the aliases stuff
[16:59] <lightnin> Anyone have a minute? I need to figure out how to fix the versioning on my native debian package.
[18:53] <stgraber> meeting in 7 minutes
[18:54] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting in about 7... ok what stgraber said
[18:54] <stgraber> hehe ;)
[18:54] <highvoltage> :)
[18:55] <highvoltage> Lns, sbalneav, nixternal, alkisg: this will also be an EC meeting, fwiwi
[18:56] <highvoltage> (without the extra 'i' that my wireless keyboard decided to add)
[18:56] <Lns> whoops! hehe thx highvoltage
[18:56] <highvoltage> stgraber: hmm, I don't see mgariepy on the agenda
[18:56] <highvoltage> stgraber: he is up for membership tonight right?
[18:56] <mgariepy> yeah i think so.
[18:56] <stgraber> yep, he's supposed to be on the agenda
[18:56] <highvoltage> ok I'll add it
[18:57] <highvoltage> (it as in the item, not 'it' as in mgariepy :) )
[18:57] <sbalneav> just FYI, I've got a meeting in an hour, but we usually don't run longer than an hour, so...
[18:58] <sbalneav> should be fine.
[18:58] <stgraber> hehe, just after I told mgariepy that you consider no longer consider him human ;)
[18:58] <sbalneav> He's superhuman
[19:00] <stgraber> will be back in 2 min. See you at the meeting
[19:00] <mgariepy> trust me sbalneav i'm not hehe
[19:00] <highvoltage> ooh, time!
[19:00] <highvoltage> let's cross over...
[20:13] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: you wanted to know something regarding your uploads to revu?
[20:16] <mhall119|work> yes
[20:16] <mhall119|work> I have changes to some of the config files to fix a bug
[20:16] <mhall119|work> should I push those changes up to revu
[20:16] <highvoltage> nixternal: btw, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kov2G0GouBw
[20:16] <mhall119|work> or would that make getting approval take longer?
[20:16] <mhall119|work> in which case, should I just wait until it's approved then upload it as a bug fix
[20:17] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: if you can upload it now, no problem, although once it's in we'll have plenty of time to make changes for bugs
[20:17] <mhall119|work> ok
[20:18] <mhall119|work> in that case, I'll wait until I've done some more testing so I can group fixes
[20:18] <Lns> lol highvoltage ! nice yt
[20:20] <nixternal> highvoltage: I should have guessed that was on big bang theory :)
[20:20] <alkisg> Lns: when you installed openbsd-inetd yesterday, have you done `apt-get update` before that? (I'm no longer experiencing this problem, so I'm wondering if you used an older version or if it only happens on the first installation)
[20:20] <highvoltage> nixternal: :D
[20:21] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: rock paper scissors spock lizzard is http://www.samkass.com/theories/RPSSL.html and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kov2G0GouBw
[20:21] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: One learns a new thing every day
[20:21] <Lns> alkisg: well I used the daily build from yesterday, but i always apt-get update before installing anything
[20:21] <alkisg> Ah ok in that case the bug's still there :)
[20:21] <Lns> yep =)
[20:22] <Lns> girlbot! haha
[20:23] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: RPPSL is <reply> See rock paper scissors spock lizzard
[20:23] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Got it
[20:26] <Lns> so that's the official edubuntu tie-breaker now
[20:26] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: looking at the qimo-session package...
[20:27] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: looks like it's been done by a pro :)
[20:27] <highvoltage> I'm just not sure about the version number
[20:27] <highvoltage> nixternal: mhall119|work has the version number for qimo-session (a native package) as 2.0.0, is that fine or must it be 2.0.0-1?
[20:28] <highvoltage> Lns: heh, I guess we'll use it unofficially :)
[20:28] <highvoltage> I think the bot has support for rock paper scissors, maybe she just needs an update...
[20:28] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: lsmod
[20:28] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Plugins: admin, conversions, core, eval, factoid, feeds, film, fun, games, geography, google, help, icecast, identity, karma, languages, log, lotto, meetings, memo, network, oeis, quotes, rfc, seen, social, sources, strings, test, urlgrab and urlinfo
[20:28] <highvoltage> oh it's not enabled yet, I'll do it tomorrow
[20:29] <Lns> 8| icecast?
[20:29] <highvoltage> Lns: well the bot is an ibid. it's not specific to just irc. it does jabber as well and pretty much anything that python.twisted can talk to
[20:30] <Lns> that's really cool. Actually I might be setting up my first icecast server soon, with any luck. Students are starting to get into podcasting, i'm trying to convince them to try out a school-based network radio system =)
[20:32] <mhall119|work> highvoltage: I was told by someone in #ubuntu-motu that native package number doesn't have -stuff on it
[20:40] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: I just checked with stgraber, it's fine like it is
[20:40] <mhall119|work> ok
[20:41] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: just in a skype call, be with you in a few mins
[20:43] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: all three packages look great, giving them +1's...
[20:51] <nixternal> highvoltage: 2.0.0-1 or 2.0.0-0ubuntu1 if there are plans on it going into debian as well
[20:54] <mhall119|work> not right now there aren't
[20:57] <highvoltage> nixternal: I thought it needed a -1, but aparently 2.0.0 is fine. do you perhaps have a moment to review them? I think they're 100%.
[20:59] <sbalneav> highvoltage:
[20:59] <sbalneav> stgraber:
[20:59] <highvoltage> sbalneav: hi, stgraber notified me that you uploaded the gartoon-redux package to revu
[20:59] <sbalneav> The gartoon-redux is in revu
[20:59] <sbalneav> ah
[20:59] <sbalneav> ok ;)
[21:02] <highvoltage> sbalneav: can you change the maintainer to the ubuntu developers line and also update the standards version to at least 3.8.3?
[21:03] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and also add ${misc:Depends} as a dependency
[21:06] <highvoltage> sbalneav: do you have a needs-packaging bug for this package in LP or should I create one quickly?
[21:09] <sbalneav> create one, I guess
[21:09] <sbalneav> I'm looking into the above.
[21:09] <joerg> sbalneav, hey....any idea about what I asked a few hours ago? the e-mail thing?
[21:09] <joerg> shall I post it again or do u have the logs?
[21:10] <sbalneav> Saw it haven't had a chance to respond.
[21:12] <sbalneav> highvoltage: What do you want for a maintainer:
[21:12] <sbalneav> Maintainer: Ubuntu Desktop Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:12] <sbalneav> ?
[21:12] <sbalneav> That's what sabayon is
[21:17] <highvoltage> sbalneav: make it Ubuntu Developers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:18] <highvoltage> sbalneav: that will probably be Edubuntu Developers after next week, but we can change it in the future
[21:49] <joerg> sbalneav, ever checked out gosa-project.org?
[22:01] <highvoltage> sbalneav: how are things
[22:15] <sbalneav> highvoltage: I'm getting a whacky error
[22:16] <sbalneav> ah no wait
[22:16] <sbalneav> ok, repushing
[22:16] <sbalneav> one sec
[22:17] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ok, 0ubuntu3 pushed
[22:18] <highvoltage> sbalneav: thanks
[22:37] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: tell sbalneav please ping me when you're back :)
[22:37] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Done
[23:09] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: weather for sherbrooke, qc
[23:09] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: In Sherbrooke, Quebec at 5:44 PM EST on February 17, 2010: -2°C; Humidity: 86%; Wind: WNW at 9 km/h; Conditions: Light Snow; Sunrise/set: 6:45 AM EST/5:16 PM EST; Moonrise/set: 7:42 AM EST/9:15 PM EST
[23:10] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: weather for cape town
[23:10] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: In Cape Town, South Africa at 1:00 AM SAST on February 18, 2010: 17°C; Humidity: 68%; Wind: SW at 9 km/h; Conditions: Clear; Sunrise/set: 6:23 AM SAST/7:35 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 10:15 AM SAST/9:26 PM SAST
[23:11] <highvoltage> the gap is starting to close, at least.
[23:58] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: qimo packages made it, with only minutes to spare :)


[05:39] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:29] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[11:21] <MooDoo> howdy all
[11:27] <Kilos> hi MooDoo
[11:27] <Kilos> :-)
[11:28] <MooDoo> :)
[15:59] <Rage> Hi.
[15:59] <Kilos> hi Rage
[15:59] <Rage> What are loco teams working on currently?
[16:00] <Kilos> rebuilding locos
[16:00] <Rage> what do you mean rebuild?
[16:01] <Kilos> finding missing members and encouraging new peeps to join and places with no locos to build new ones
[16:01] <Rage> what do these loco's do exactly?
[16:02] <Kilos> they organise events in their areas and promote ubuntu
[16:03] <Rage> ubuntu operating system or ubuntu liberation movement or ubuntu party or all of these?
[16:03] <Kilos> ubuntu OS
[16:04] <Rage> have you heard of the other two?
[16:04] <Kilos> yes i am in africa
[16:04] <Kilos> where are you?
[16:04] <Rage> i'm from estonia
[16:07] <Rage> What kind of computer skills do you have? :)
[16:07] <Kilos> do you use ubuntu OS?
[16:07] <Rage> I personally have used kubuntu for 7+ years
[16:07] <Kilos> cool im on 14.04 now and using konvewrsation
[16:08] <Kilos> konversation
[16:08] <Rage> website link brought me to freenode webclient
[16:09] <Kilos> yes that does happen
[16:09] <Rage> I'm currently testing out kubuntu 15.04
[16:09] <Kilos> look at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/
[16:09] <Kilos> there might be a loco close to you
[16:10] <Rage> Have you ever thought creating ubuntu a proper messaging platform?
[16:11] <Rage> I mean the ubuntu webpage
[16:11] <Kilos> most of us enjoy irc but im sure some of the other guys have
[16:11] <Kilos> ask at #ubuntu
[16:11] <elacheche> Rage why? :D There is many other Free & Open Source messaging platform outthere!
[16:11] <Kilos> this channel is mostly for working with locos
[16:12] <Rage> https://www.ubuntu.ee
[16:14] <elacheche> Rage, are you the "owner" of that?
[16:14] <Rage> yes
[16:15] <elacheche> Is it a new project?
[16:16] <Rage> quite yes
[16:16] <elacheche> Emm.. Did you seen this http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy ?
[16:17] <Rage> Don't worry, I'm gonna promote ubuntu software...
[16:17] <Rage> It's all built on it
[16:17] <elacheche> That's not the issue here..
[16:18] <elacheche> It's about trademark thing..
[16:18] <elacheche> You're building a Free & Open Source Software?
[16:18] <Rage> yes
[16:19] <elacheche> Using the same name as Ubuntu?!
[16:19] <Rage> what does ubuntu actually mean?
[16:20] <Kilos> humanity towards others
[16:22] <elacheche> Rage, it's not about meanings anymore.. You're starting a "business" called Ubuntu :) That'll be a huge issue I think..
[16:23] <Kilos> legal stuff
[16:23] <elacheche> That's it..
[16:23] <Kilos> become an ubuntu member then things become easier
[16:23] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[16:25] <Rage> never planned registersing a business under the name "ubuntu"
[16:25] <elacheche> Even the use of the domain name requires an authorization!
[16:28] <elacheche> Wanna be sure by contacting canonical and ask them about that? → http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/contact-us
[16:28] <jpds> Rage: There's also the fact that people looking for your project will have a hard time googling for it.
[16:49] <Anant> i have got "bash: hash: weboob-config: not found" error after opning terminal what is this is there any problem
[16:52] <Anant> hiiiii
[16:52] <Anant> i have got "bash: hash: weboob-config: not found" error after opning terminal what is this is there any problem
[16:52] <jpds> Anant: → #ubuntu
[16:53] <Anant> yes, ubuntu i upgraded ubuntu 14.10 to 15.04
[16:54] <rookjie> hes just saying this is the wrong channel for  help and to join #ubuntu  room
[21:10] <MooDoo> hrllo sll