[01:15] <duflu> Anyone know if VT switching has been descoped/deprioritized for USC?
[01:16] <duflu> I mean... https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1192429
[01:50] <RAOF> duflu: Man, is your house built on quicksand or something?
[01:51] <duflu> RAOF: Old suburbs...
[01:52] <RAOF> …are nice, but obviously don't have the maintenance thing worked out.
[01:54] <duflu> RAOF: Hey it's better than it used to be. For the first few years here I had a blackout every month or two
[01:54] <RAOF> Although *my* old suburb doesn't seem to suffer from those problems (so far‽). They *are* digging up the pavement, but that's to lay pipes for sweet, sweet fibre.
[01:54] <duflu> RAOF: You win :/
[02:47]  * RAOF heads out to lunch
[06:12] <hikiko> hi
[06:13] <RAOF> Hi!
[06:13] <mlankhorst> g'day mate
[06:13] <hikiko> :)
[06:14] <mlankhorst> RAOF: but what good is fibre if you are limited by laggy intercontinental links. :P
[06:15] <RAOF> mlankhorst: All the content that I can get locally is fast?\
[06:15] <RAOF> Also, my uplink will be faster than the current anaemic 200-odd-KB/sec
[06:16] <RAOF> And *those* links aren't saturated :)
[06:17] <RAOF> Oooh! *That* might be why lseek isn't working!
[06:19] <RAOF> Dear launchpad: 250kB/s. Really?
[06:19] <RAOF> _Really?_
[06:22] <hikiko> lol
[06:30] <hikiko> RAOF, is there any script (eg ident) that I could run to fix all the formatting errors before I submit a branch?
[06:30] <hikiko> indent*
[06:31] <RAOF> Not that I'm aware of.
[06:32] <RAOF> If you find one or make one (maybe it's possible to make an appropriate indent incantation?) please let me know :)
[06:33] <hikiko> sure :)
[06:34] <RAOF> Grr. We're going to need to throw away logind.
[06:52] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <RAOF> Good morning dholbach!
[07:11] <dholbach> hey RAOF
[07:39] <RAOF> ARGH!
[08:05] <tvoss> alf__, ping
[08:05] <alf__> tvoss: pong
[08:13] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ping
[08:24] <mlankhorst> ok that should fix the random lockups I was getting on radeon, had too much debug stuff on and the one I wrote broke :(
[08:24] <didrocks> robert_ancell: kgunn: I just accepted Mir in universe \o/
[08:25] <robert_ancell> didrocks, yay!
[08:25] <kgunn> didrocks: a serious thanks for all the help
[08:26] <didrocks> kgunn: no worry ;)
[08:26] <kgunn> olli_: ^
[08:26] <kgunn> boom
[08:26] <olli_> kgunn, missing context
[08:26] <olli_> but I assume something hit universe?
[08:27] <olli_> robert_ancell, ^?
 robert_ancell: kgunn: I just accepted Mir in universe \o/
[08:27] <didrocks> olli_: yeah, "something" :-)
[08:27] <seb128> congrats guys ;-)
[08:27] <olli_> tvoss, ^
[08:28] <didrocks> (it just hit it, didn't crash ;))
[08:28] <didrocks> beautiful landing
[08:29] <tvoss> didrocks, \o/
[08:30] <seb128> didrocks, beautifully work as well if I want to install it? ;-)
[08:33] <didrocks> seb128: needs now xmir being in distro and the patches for the drivers
[08:33] <didrocks> then u-s-c will land in distro
[08:33] <seb128> ok, a bit of extra waiting, I guess
[08:33] <seb128> I'm sure there will be an email announcing the details once things are in place, going to wait for that ;-)
[08:35] <didrocks> be warned, seb128 is ready!
[08:36] <seb128> ;-)
[08:57] <robert_ancell> kgunn, are you held up?
[08:59] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Pong
[09:00] <robert_ancell> RAOF, hey, is there still a regression in the -staging PPA that stops us copying to system-compositor-testing?
[09:01] <RAOF> Hm, yes.
[09:01] <RAOF> The intel driver will regress if we do that.
[09:01] <duflu> robert_ancell: I found the new lightdm in staging broken my (raring) system on the weekend. Had to revert the new lightdm from staging
[09:01] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what needs to be done to fix that?
[09:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Fix the patch, basically. I'll upload a new intel tomorrow to the distro, and also to staging.
[09:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can we revert for now so we can fix asap?
[09:02] <RAOF> Actually, if Mir has landed in-distro, maybe I'll just upload straight to distro?
[09:02] <duflu> Is this related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/xmir/+bug/1203776 ?
[09:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can't until the MIR is complete
[09:02] <RAOF> duflu: Yes.
[09:02] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Oh, that's right. Not yet in main.
[09:03] <robert_ancell> RAOF, but once that is done, yes
[09:05] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can we revert?
[09:05] <RAOF> Looking.
[09:06] <RAOF> Oh, that's right.
[09:06] <RAOF> I'm not sure that we *do* regress with what's in staging.
[09:06] <RAOF> Or, at least, I'm not sure that the bugs in staging are the bugs in -intel :/
[09:07] <RAOF> Anyway, reverting.
[09:19] <alan_g> alf__: sees you've re-approved a lot of spurious failures. Is there a pattern to worry about?
[09:19] <alan_g> *seems
[09:22] <alf__> alan_g: I am not sure yet, let's see how the second reapproval goes
[09:24] <kgunn> RAOF: is the -testing ppa intel issue simply worked around by accelOption = uxa
[09:24] <kgunn> in xorg conf
[09:24] <RAOF> kgunn: Yes.
[10:07] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is  xserver-xorg-video-intel - 2:2.21.9+xmir15871-2~saucy1 the intel driver that should work?
[10:07] <RAOF> Yes
[10:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ta
[10:08] <RAOF> tvoss is smoke testing
[10:08] <kgunn> flickering is really bad
[10:08] <kgunn> on my machine
[10:09] <kgunn> but....push it
[10:10] <RAOF> kgunn: With 2:2.21.9+xmir15871-2~saucy1?
[10:10] <RAOF> Really?
[10:10] <RAOF> That's new as of 5 minutes ago.
[10:10] <kgunn> RAOF:  oh...need to test that
[10:13] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Oh, how do I build lightdm from trunk?
[10:13] <RAOF> I know I've asked you this before, but I think logind has gone and become more annoying.
[10:13] <robert_ancell> RAOF, are you getting llvmpipe issues?
[10:14] <RAOF> robert_ancell: As in - software rendering? Yes.
[10:14] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can you look in /var/log/auth.log?
[10:14] <robert_ancell> I had these issues last night
[10:14] <RAOF> What would be in there? Is *that* where logind does it's logging?
[10:15] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I had pam_systemd failing and reverting to the CK backup. Apparently that doesn't work for DRM anymore
[10:15] <robert_ancell> RAOF, symptons are loginctl showing no sessions, ck-list-sessions showing sessions and the auth.log complaining about a /var/run directory already existing
[10:15] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Ah, no. That's not my problem. I've got loginctl showing my session, just that it's not active.
[10:16] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ok. To build lightdm it just get tarball and overlay debian/ from latest package
[10:16] <robert_ancell> yes, yuck
[10:16] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what do you need exactly?
[10:17] <RAOF> robert_ancell: I need to write a blueprint, but we basically need to replace logind
[10:17] <RAOF> robert_ancell: But http://paste.ubuntu.com/5928462/ should work as a stop-gap.
[10:17] <robert_ancell> RAOF, shouldn't that be XDG_VTNR?
[10:17] <alan_g> alf__: I'm looking into the graphicsplatform dependencies on frontend...
[10:17] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Possibly. I'll recheck logind code.
[10:18] <robert_ancell> RAOF, and that's now set in src/x-server.c
[10:18] <alan_g> Is there any reason InternalNativeSurface::get_parameters() uses the surface, not the buffer to get the size?
[10:24] <alf__> alan_g: At the moment the buffers and the surface have the same properties. I am not sure if/how support for resizing will affect this.
[10:26] <alan_g> alf__: Would you be happy if I used the buffer properties and left any resizing issues for the future?
[10:28] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You never actually set XDG_VTNR for unity seats.
[10:29] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ah, k
[10:30] <RAOF> Because you (quite sensibly) never set the xserver's VT number for unity seats.
[10:32] <robert_ancell> RAOF, this is for fallback?
[10:32] <RAOF> No, this is for u-s-c
[10:32] <robert_ancell> RAOF, ah, ok
[10:33] <alf__> alan_g: Sure, but I would also like to get Kevin's opinion later, since he is more familiar with the needs of the internal client.
[10:33] <RAOF> I *think* we need to set the vt so that logind doesn't have a screaming hissy fit.
[10:33] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can you file a bug / make branch - I'll just push that into main
[10:34] <alan_g> alf__: Sure, I'm just using you as a first sanity check. ;)
[10:34]  * robert_ancell has to wait again before updating the -testing PPA while mir decides to build *again*
[10:35] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Will do, once I've tested that this actually fixes my problem.
[10:35] <robert_ancell> RAOF, k
[10:39] <duflu> alf__: Have you ever seen gcc optimize out functions, causing mock expectation failures?
[10:47] <robert_ancell> thomi, can you block the CI uploading to the staging PPA?
[10:47] <robert_ancell> thomi, there's new revisions landing faster than they're building
[10:47] <thomi> robert_ancell: shouldn't we just let it catch up?
[10:48] <robert_ancell> thomi, we'll never get a finished build at this rate
[10:48] <robert_ancell> it's building 894 at the moment, but 895 is already in trunk
[10:49] <robert_ancell> I need to get a built version and copy it over to -testing
[10:49] <duflu> To the disassembler... :S
[10:49] <thomi> robert_ancell: why can't we copy over the copy that's older than trunk?
[10:49] <robert_ancell> thomi, when I go to copy from the PPA it only shows the building version, not the old one
[10:50] <thomi> hmmm
[10:50] <robert_ancell> didrocks, ^ don't know if we can get the previous built version?
[10:51] <thomi> robert_ancell: we're on it
[10:52] <alan_g> duflu: could it be that the mocks don't override the correct signature? (gmock doesn't use "override")
[10:53] <duflu> alan_g: Thought of that. It's a match
[10:54] <alan_g> duflu: or the base class forgot "virtual"?
[10:55]  * alan_g knows these are silly, but so is the symptom
[10:55] <duflu> alan_g: Nope
[10:58] <alan_g> This is about the time I start adding #error to prove I'm looking at the right code. ;)
[11:00] <duflu> alan_g, alf__: OK, I forgot LD_LIBRARY_PATH and unit-tests got some symbols from the wrong libmirserver
[11:00] <duflu> What a fine waste of evening
[11:01]  * alan_g wishes he hadn't done that too
[11:02] <duflu> Of course, with rpath it would have been fine if I ran it on the build machine. But this is cross-compiled
[11:26] <kgunn> RAOF: ping
[11:27] <RAOF> kgunn: Pong
[11:27] <kgunn> RAOF: hey...so robert & i got sunk by the very latest staging
[11:27] <kgunn> seems x crashes...and boots us back out to the greeter (over and over)
[11:27] <kgunn> i got logs
[11:27] <RAOF> Yes please!
[11:27] <kgunn> will attach them to a bug
[11:31] <kgunn> RAOF: https://pastebin.canonical.com/95196/
[11:31] <kgunn> there's that for the moment...launchpad being fussy
[11:31] <kgunn> or our wifi is flakey
[11:33] <RAOF> Hm. That's the wrong log :)
[11:33] <RAOF> Or, rather, it's lightdm's log, which is useless, and I should really fix it's uselessness.
[11:33] <RAOF> kgunn: Got /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[11:34] <kgunn> checking
[11:36] <kgunn> RAOF: robert just looked over my shoulder...says "its a clean run"...so the xorg.0.log didn't have any useful info
[11:36] <RAOF> kgunn: Ah.
[11:36] <RAOF> Xorg.0.log.old might?
[11:37] <kgunn> right...was looking in old
[11:37] <RAOF> Ah.
[11:37] <kgunn> robert's checking to see if he has a log
[11:38] <kgunn> he's gonna turn on once more....just to make certain
[11:41] <kgunn> RAOF: now he's having issues repro'ing....
[11:41] <kgunn> i'm pretty reliable...i'll give another go
[11:43] <RAOF> Cool.
[11:44] <tvoss> RAOF, ping
[11:45] <RAOF> tvoss: Pong.
[11:45] <tvoss> okay, disabling the process group leader thingy helps
[11:46] <tvoss> RAOF, Xorg.0.log says [     6.649] (II) intel(0): SNA compiled: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.21.9+xmir15871-2~saucy1 (Chris Halse Rogers<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:46] <tvoss> [     6.657] (II) intel(0): SNA initialized with Sandybridge (gen6, gt2) backend
[11:47] <RAOF> Sweet. And setting XDG_VTNR does indeed fix acceleration, even with the tty detaching.
[11:47] <tvoss> RAOF, okay, where do we need to set that?
[11:48] <tvoss> RAOF, however, I'm experiencing the slowness issue right from the beginning
[11:49] <RAOF> tvoss: In the lightdm branch I'm just proposing.
[11:49] <tvoss> RAOF, awesome
[11:50] <tvoss> so no need for me to mp removal of the session group leader stuff, right?
[11:50] <RAOF> tvoss: Correct.
[11:50] <tvoss> cool
[11:50] <kgunn> RAOF: hey
[11:50] <kgunn> just noticed xorg updated in main
[11:50] <kgunn> arg
[11:50] <kgunn> ...so new problem :)
[11:50] <kgunn> right in the middle of me trying to repro
[11:51] <RAOF> :(
[11:51] <kgunn> RAOF: how long to rebase your patches on that ?...like...are we torpedo'd for the night ? (e.g. you have to sleep at some point)
[11:52] <tvoss> kgunn, where are you?
[11:52] <kgunn> in murry2
[11:52] <tvoss> kgunn,  wanna hop over to the main ball room?
[11:52] <kgunn> tvoss: ack...robert said he'll have the first dance
[11:52] <tvoss> kgunn, fair :)
[11:52] <kgunn> (seriously...i think maybe a 15min break to eat a bite...but i'll be right there after that)
[11:53] <kgunn> RAOF: i'll still try to pin the ppa on staging to avoid the xorg from main....and then try to repro again
[11:53] <kgunn> repro the xorg crash that punts me back out to greeter that is
[11:54] <RAOF> I'll rebase xserver now.
[11:54] <RAOF> I will be sleeping soon :)
[12:12] <RAOF> tvoss: New xserver in staging, lightdm branch proposed for merging.
[12:12] <RAOF> tvoss: Now, sleep.
[12:13] <tvoss> RAOF, ack
[12:13] <RAOF> tvoss: Oh, I haven't put up a blueprint for the logind work yet - I'll do that in the morning.
[12:14] <tvoss> RAOF, no worries, go to sleep dude
[12:14] <tvoss> and thanks for all the help
[13:21] <kgunn> RAOF: so as a test...i pinned staging, updated...then robert corrected/built https://code.launchpad.net/~raof/lightdm/more-logind-workarounds
[13:21] <kgunn> and then built u-s-c (so staging + local lightdm & u-s-c)
[13:22] <kgunn> still get the x crash that punts me to greeter
[13:22] <kgunn> good news, i gotta xorg.0.log
[13:22] <kgunn> will attach to bug
[13:23] <kgunn> until then https://pastebin.canonical.com/95204/
[13:23] <kgunn> RAOF: ^
[13:31] <kgunn> mlankhorst: would you possibly be able to take a peek at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1206508
[13:31] <kgunn> or rather the xorg log in there
[13:32] <mlankhorst> kgunn: to the valgrind machine!
[13:33] <robert_ancell> tvoss_, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/lightdm/unity-session-vtnr/+merge/177591
[13:34] <mlankhorst> and make sure to install xserver-xorg-core-dbg and xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg, else valgrind won't be useful
[13:40] <alan_g> hikiko: alf__ is right about not needing create_nested_platform(), but doing that requires a definition of NestedPlatform (and a constructor that takes the same parameters we gave the function). Can you do that with a stubbed implementation as an update?
[13:44] <hikiko> sure alan_g right after I fix the other issues
[14:32] <hikiko> alan_g, alf__ the only problem is that to call the constructor the NestedPlatform must inherit from mg::Platform so I have to add a stub implementation of all Platform methods (which isn't a problem since we ll need it anyway at some point)
[14:32] <alan_g> hikiko: ack
[14:33] <robotfuel> It seems like there is an opengl packaging conflict between main and system-compositor-testing today
[14:35] <tsdgeos> hi guys
[14:36] <tsdgeos> anyone that has some knowledge about mir I can talk about this patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929237/ i made to fix the focus problems i was having with the qml-demo-shell gerry was working on based on unity-mir ?
[14:36] <tsdgeos> racarr: you here already or still to early for you?
[14:42] <tsdgeos> alf__: ping ↑↑↑ ?
[14:43] <alf__> tsdgeos: hi
[14:43] <alan_g> tsdgeos: Looks sensible
[14:45] <alan_g> Although at some point we may want hidden surfaces to "contain" points
[14:45] <benkaiser> Hey guys, I am running Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Note. How can I take a screenshot? even from the terminal?. gnome-screenshot doesn't work because it can't open the display (I am assuming this is because Mir is the display server?)
[14:45] <tsdgeos> alf__: alan_g: basically i realize that msh::SingleVisibilityFocusMechanism::set_focus_to "raises" the window just because it hiddes the others, but doesn't "really raise" at the ms::SurfaceStack layer so i need that in contains otherwise the touch is directed to the "previous" window that is hidden but "on top" regarding ms::SurfaceStack
[14:45] <tsdgeos> not sure if i made sense :D
[14:46] <alan_g> tsdgeos: You make as much sense as the mechanism you describe
[14:46] <tsdgeos> i'll create a Merge Request and explain the stuff there too
[14:46] <alan_g> racarr is in the process of reworking that stuff
[14:47] <alan_g> But a quick MP will beat him to trunk
[14:47] <tsdgeos> :D
[14:52] <tsdgeos> alan_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/mir/hidden_surface_no_contains/+merge/177621
[15:13] <hikiko> bye!
[15:15] <robert_ancell> kgunn, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/1.7.8-0ubuntu1/+build/4837955
[16:22] <tvoss> robert_ancell, https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/mir/revert-process-group-leader-patch
[16:39] <mlankhorst> tvoss: why? o.o
[16:40] <mlankhorst> looks more like mir needs to handle this case better instead..
[16:46] <mlankhorst> tvoss: does mir handle SIGINT by any chance? if not it wouldn't surprise me if X was killed because mir was..
[16:48] <mlankhorst> and if not.. Xmir really shouldn't touch the console in any way
[16:57] <mlankhorst> you need to use KDSKBMUTE ioctl and tcsetattr, fwiw..
[17:52] <racarr> An interesting idea for
[17:53] <racarr> model synchronization...
[17:54] <racarr> rather than taking controller objects in constructor, certain methods could require the controller object to be passed in, i.e. create_surface, destroy_surface, move_surface, etc.
[17:55] <racarr> Then a central object, can lease out controllers and use that to enforce locking. so code could be written sort of like
[17:57] <racarr> ms::UniqueController controller(surfaces) auto surface = session->default_surface() // do stuff // surface.raise(controller) // Surface can't have been destroyed because you have a unique controller
[17:57] <racarr> I dunno ;) it's hazy
[18:59] <olli> https://orders.letsorderfood.co.uk/order.asp
[19:00] <olli> http://pizzakingiom.co.uk/
[19:01] <olli> zip code IM1 2LY
[19:01] <olli> robert_ancell, kgunn, tvoss, Saviq ^
[19:16] <racarr> lol
[19:16] <racarr> @ pizza king iom
[19:52] <robotfuel> I notived the system compositor testing ppa has some new packages, is it ready for testing?
[19:52] <robotfuel> bschaefer: ^
[20:16] <bschaefer> robotfuel, there are some, but my u-s-c was removed :(
[20:17] <bschaefer> you can try some out though :)
[20:17] <robotfuel> bschaefer: it already fixed a bug with opengl and the r600 radeon driver :)
[20:18] <robotfuel> bschaefer: I just started tests on a bunch of other systems
[20:18] <robotfuel> hopefully the getting punted to the greeter on intel is fixed. :P
[20:22] <bschaefer> robotfuel, o thats not good, and a fix would be nice!
[20:23] <bschaefer> robotfuel, awesome, should I just check jenkins for the test updates?
[20:25] <robotfuel> bschaefer: the punted to greeter issue was a bad patch from mainstream xorg.
[20:25] <bschaefer> robotfuel, o man, i've had that happen to me a couple times, then I needed to switch back to UXA and normal X and I've not gotten it yet
[20:26] <robotfuel> bschaefer: anything finished within the last ~hour minutes should have the latests results from the u-s-c ppa
[20:26] <robotfuel> I think there is only one
[20:26] <bschaefer> robotfuel, cool, let me check
[20:26]  * bschaefer hopes to see an ati one
[20:27] <robotfuel> bschaefer: yes the hd7450
[20:27] <bschaefer> sweet
[20:27]  * bschaefer goes to look for it
[20:28] <robotfuel> bschaefer: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/openarena-benchmark-ps-radeon-hd7450-le-xmir/48/
[20:28] <bschaefer> just got there!
[20:28] <bschaefer> but thanks :)
[20:28] <tvoss> robotfuel, which xorg patch is that?
[20:29] <bschaefer> robotfuel, awesome, it looks like its running xmir, and no errors in any logs i see :)
[20:29] <robotfuel> bschaefer: 2:1.14.2-0ubuntu3+xmir1
[20:29] <robotfuel> ii  xserver-common                            2:1.14.2-0ubuntu3+xmir1
[20:29] <robotfuel> ii  xserver-xorg                              1:7.7+1ubuntu5
[20:30]  * bschaefer reboots his ati machine
[20:30] <bschaefer> robotfuel, is that the version of xmir on that ati machine?
[20:31]  * bschaefer has an abi break with u-s-c
[20:31] <bschaefer> err
[20:31] <bschaefer> a depends issue rather
[20:31] <robotfuel> bschaefer: yes http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/openarena-benchmark-ps-radeon-hd7450-le-xmir/48/artifact/results/dpkg-list.log has all the package versions
[20:31] <bschaefer> robotfuel, sweet, let me double check mine
[20:32] <bschaefer> robotfuel, but so far its looking like ati is working fine, at lease this run through
[20:33] <bschaefer> robotfuel, is that using the daily build ppa?
[20:33] <bschaefer> yes it is nm¡
[20:33] <bschaefer> !
[20:33] <robotfuel> bschaefer: no that is the unity-system-compositor ppa
[20:33] <bschaefer> o really?
[20:33] <bschaefer> 1:0.9.9~daily<IP_ADDRESS>~13.04-0ubuntu1
[20:33] <bschaefer> made me think it was the daily next one...
[20:34] <bschaefer> robotfuel, hmm do you have a machine that you can test that out with?
[20:34] <bschaefer> cause i get this in the daily next build:
[20:34] <bschaefer>  unity-system-compositor : Depends: libmirserver0 (= 0.0.8+13.10.20130729ubuntu.unity.next-0ubuntu1) but 0.0.8+13.10.20130730bzr896saucy0 is to be installed
[20:34]  * bschaefer hopes thats rebuilt soon
[20:39] <robotfuel> bschaefer: they all seem to be busy.
[20:39] <bschaefer> robotfuel, alright, ill do some manual testing then! Thanks
[20:49] <bschaefer> tvoss, soo daily build next ppa seems to be working for me with xmir
[20:50] <bschaefer> with an ATI card
[20:50] <tvoss> bschaefer, \o/
[20:50] <tvoss> bschaefer, what was the fix?
[20:50] <tvoss> bschaefer, we have multiple changes coming to mir/lightdm to fix permission issues and such
[20:50] <bschaefer> tvoss, im not sure, I just updated and and to downgrade my libmirserver, but things seem to be working...
[20:51] <bschaefer> tvoss, hmm now im not sure .. this strange I have TTYs
[20:51] <bschaefer> but:
[20:51] <bschaefer> root       985  0.5  0.3<PHONE_NUMBER>0 tty7     Ssl+ 13:48   0:00 /usr/sbin/unity-system-compositor --enable-input=false --from-dm-fd 10 --to-dm-fd 13 --vt 7
[20:51] <bschaefer> is running
[20:51] <bschaefer> along with:
[20:51] <bschaefer> root      1017  0.6  0.5<PHONE_NUMBER>6 ?        Sl   13:48   0:01 /usr/bin/X -core :0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -mir 0 -mirSocket /tmp/mir_socket -nolisten tcp
[20:54] <bschaefer> tvoss, strange, but I just wanted to quickly update you, im assuming its later over there :)
[20:57] <tvoss> bschaefer, it is, thanks for the update :)
[20:57] <bschaefer> np!
[21:05] <bschaefer> haha, and ctrl+c kills everything...that seems like a mir thing :)
[21:05]  * bschaefer assumes mir got tty support
[21:21] <tvoss> bschaefer, fix for that is propagating
[21:21] <bschaefer> tvoss, yup saw you fixed that ~30 min ago :)
[21:21] <bschaefer> but confirming with bregma and it looks like daily next build is working with xmir
[21:21] <bregma> it works beautifully
[21:21] <bschaefer> well confirming that ttys are working on xmir
[21:22] <bschaefer> which made me doubt if it was xmir :)
[21:22] <tvoss> bschaefer, we need to reenable the patch I just reverted, but a little more sophisticated
[21:23] <bregma> touchscreen still doesn't work right, but I doublt that has anything to do with Mir
[21:23] <tvoss> bregma, yup, still the good ol' x input stack :)
[21:23] <bschaefer> cool :), but Ill continue to run it to see if I can get anything to go wrong (though things are looking good!)
[21:23] <tvoss> bschaefer, awesome, thanks
[21:23] <bschaefer> np!
[21:24] <bregma> actually, I think my touchscreen problem is nTrig is crap
[21:24] <tvoss> bschaefer, would be great if you could hammer it with phoronix-test-suite run pts/gaming-free and pts/gui-toolkits
[21:24] <bschaefer> tvoss, great idea, let me go run those!
[21:35] <kgunn> bschaefer: cracking up at the idea of you hitting the ctl+c :)
[21:36] <kgunn> imagine us here....forgetting that bugs exists & hitting ctl+c about every 5 minutes
[21:36] <bschaefer> haha
[21:36] <bschaefer> kgunn, yeah i use ctrl+c tooo often as well
[21:39] <mlankhorst> kgunn: no, why did you approve
[21:39] <mlankhorst> it was so easy to fix by just doing a few more CORRECT ioctl's instead of reverting..
[21:40] <kgunn> mlankhorst: because its really late & we need to "do something" - we did test & verified this worked....i tried not to...but unfortunately we proved the ctl+c was an issue
[21:41] <mlankhorst> did you even read what I said in the review?
[21:41] <kgunn> mlankhorst: yes...
[21:43] <kgunn> mlankhorst: altho reading & knowing exactly what needs to be done 2 diff things
[21:43] <mlankhorst> crtl-c, crtl-v from x.org, apply correct copyright header from xorg, done :P
[21:52] <tvoss> mlankhorst, +1, it's on my plate for tomorrow morning first thing
[22:29] <olli> bschaefer, pingf
[22:29] <bschaefer> olli, hello!
[22:29] <olli> bschaefer, the usc-testing ppa is up
[22:30] <olli> mind giving an ATI system a spin
[22:30] <bschaefer> olli, awesome, im the daily-build-next ppa and its working on ATI
[22:30] <olli> kgunn reminds you to install usc at the end
[22:30] <bschaefer> let me purge, remove and install the u-s-c testing ppa and give that a test
[22:30] <bschaefer> yup
[22:30] <olli> bschaefer, cool!
[22:30] <bschaefer> and to pin the ppa as well :)
[22:31] <olli> bschaefer, brb
[22:31]  * bschaefer always forgets that part
[22:31] <bschaefer> alright
[22:31] <bschaefer> dammit Ctrl+C!
[22:31] <mlankhorst> adding the mute thing would have been a lot faster :P
[22:32] <RAOF> :)
[22:32] <RAOF> But much less fun!
[22:36] <bschaefer> olli, also, a couple hours ago robotfuel had some ATI tests on the u-s-c ppa and things were working as well
[22:37] <bschaefer> xmir was version: 2:1.14.2-0ubuntu3+xmir1
[22:37] <olli> robotfuel, can you give the ppa a  spin as well pls?
[22:38] <robotfuel> olli: ok I'll kick off new tests runs
[22:38] <bschaefer> awesome, I was just about to ask that :)
[22:45]  * RAOF is minding Zoë for an hour or so
[22:48] <bschaefer> dang...well its working on u-s-c testing ppa as well, and ctrl+c no longer kills the server!
[22:50] <bschaefer> olli, working on u-s-c testing ppa, and ctrl+c no longer kills the server
[23:35] <robotfuel> bschaefer: it looks like there is new packages worked on the systems
[23:36] <bschaefer> robotfuel, how new? As I just tested mine an hour or so again, and ctrl+c was no longer killing the server
[23:36] <robotfuel> bschaefer: from u-s-c
[23:36] <robotfuel> bschaefer: I didn't try control c
[23:36] <robotfuel> bschaefer: I ran the openarena benchmark on it.
[23:36] <bschaefer> cool, im still downloading games to run those...
[23:41] <robotfuel> bschaefer: I get ret = 0 for buffer 26
[23:42] <robotfuel> ret = 0 for buffer 18
[23:42] <robotfuel> repeated over 100 times on nvidia, it doesn't seem like openarena is running
[23:42] <robotfuel> bschaefer: in Xorg.0.log
[23:43] <bschaefer> :(
[23:44] <bschaefer> robotfuel, i was about to try running this on daily build next ppa, but there are so many games that it tests...
[23:44]  * bschaefer goes to look at logs
[23:46] <tvoss> bschaefer, ping
[23:46] <bschaefer> tvoss, hello!
[23:46] <tvoss> bschaefer, did you give the system-compositor-testing ppa a spin?
[23:47] <bschaefer> tvoss, yup! ctrl+c is no longer killing the mir server :), but robotfuel is running into openarena not being drawn?
[23:47] <bschaefer> or running
[23:47]  * bschaefer is still downloading games
[23:48] <bschaefer> for the test suite
[23:48] <tvoss> bschaefer, okay, checking locally
[23:49] <bschaefer> tvoss, alright, let me do that
[23:49] <robotfuel> tvoss: it ran ok on intel and radeon, on nvidia I get: ret = 0 for buffer 26
[23:49] <robotfuel> ret = 0 for buffer 18 repeated 100 times in Xorg.0.log and openarena hasn't finished it's first test in over an hour
[23:51] <robotfuel> I have a compiz crash Jul 30 22:50:26 ps-nvidia-gt640-he gnome-session[1300]: WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' respawning too quickly
[23:51] <robotfuel> Jul 30 22:50:26 ps-nvidia-gt640-he gnome-session[1300]: CRITICAL: We failed, but the fail whale is dead. Sorry....
[23:51] <robotfuel> bschaefer: tvoss ^
[23:52] <bschaefer> haha...i've seen that error before and it usually not good...
[23:52] <bschaefer> robotfuel, did the x serve go down as well?
[23:52] <bschaefer> server*
[23:53] <robotfuel> bschaefer: I still see the desktop background image, I don't see unity, the xserver didn't go down, but it's not usable
[23:53] <robotfuel> bschaefer: I am writing a bug
[23:53] <bschaefer> hmm must have just killed the gnome-session then...
[23:53]  * bschaefer waits 4min to tests openareana
[23:54] <tvoss> robotfuel, bschaefer just checked locally, openarena working fine on intel
[23:54] <bschaefer> robotfuel, hmm have you restarted the tests?


[00:01] <Marzatha> xubuntu968: είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι
[00:03] <xubuntu968> Ha ha... I like the greek answer.. Ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ! Καληνύχτα!
[00:50] <denermoro> acabei de instalar o xubuntu num HP mini 2133, é uma boa opção?
[00:55] <slaptman> how would I install kompozer on Xubuntu 12.10?
[00:58] <well_laid_lawn> !info kompozer
[00:59] <slaptman> ok? how do I dl it is there a ppa that I have to add or something?
[01:00] <well_laid_lawn> slaptman: no it's in the repos
[01:00] <well_laid_lawn> !repos
[01:02] <slaptman> it is not showing up on mine?
[01:02] <slaptman> thnks will give it a try
[01:44] <Xifanie> My keyboard layout changed on its own :S and I can't figure out how to change it back, help?
[01:46] <|Glitch|> in the taskbar do you see the keyboard layout option
[01:46] <|Glitch|> or alt+shift, or ctrl+space idk
[01:47] <Xifanie> no
[01:54] <Xifanie> Well good thing, I found keyboard/layout in the seetings manager. Bad thing is I'm messing with it and can't get my keys working back to normal
[01:56] <Xifanie> well, after changing it, logging out/in it worked. Seems like the whole issue came from me accidentally logging out, then shutting down.
[02:33] <xubuntu652> hello
[02:49] <Rulan> trying to install Rome: Total War via Wine, error 1603 every time. have tried installing on different drives, changing compatability mode on Wine. anything?
[02:50] <GridCube> !appdb | Rulan
[02:51] <Rulan> thanks, I'll go read it again in case I missed something.
[02:51] <GridCube> Rulan, in particular you want: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3083
[08:35] <doug_carmichael> I've installed Xubuntu 12.10 in a VMware Fusion 5 VM, and after I installed it and updated with open-vm-tools, it sometimes just sends me back to the login screen with no error message after logging in.
[08:58] <koegs> is there a indicator o plugin for keyboard led status (caps-lock)?
[09:01] <baizon> koegs: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/indicator-keylock-ubuntu
[09:03] <koegs> baizon: found that, but you will need the daily ppa for quantal :)
[09:04] <GrandCouillon> Hello guys ! I am new on Xunbuntu (I previously used Ubuntu) and I have two problems with the desktop. 1) The Application menu editor doesn't seem to work. 2) After each reboot the desktop icons are moved to put the personal folder and trash in the top left corner. I've searched around to find a solution ... Any idea ?
[09:04] <koegs> https://launchpad.net/~tsbarnes/+archive/indicator-keylock-daily
[09:05] <baizon> koegs: but its that what youre searching for?
[09:06] <koegs> baizon: yes, but i thought that at some point i have seen something delivered with xubuntu
[09:06] <koegs> might be wrong...
[09:07] <koegs> or at least with *ubuntu
[09:07] <baizon> koegs: yes there is something
[09:07] <baizon> koegs: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-kbdleds-plugin
[09:07] <hairy> my xubuntu 12.04 keeps crashing without creating crash reports....
[09:08] <hairy> At the moment I want to use 10.04 but I can't get the sound to work.
[09:08] <baizon> hairy: check var/log
[09:09] <hairy> brb
[09:09] <baizon> GrandCouillon: problem will be solved soon, more here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/alacarte/+bug/1069207
[09:09] <baizon> GrandCouillon: i dont understand problem 2
[09:11] <baizon> please explain it more detailed
[09:13] <hairy_> Is there any particular log file I shuld be looking for?
[09:13] <GrandCouillon> baizon, On my desktop I have icons (launchers, videos ...) and the icons of personal folder and trash. I like to have the last two ones in the bottom right corner and put something else in the top left one. Each time I restart my system the personal folder and trash icons are "automatically" moved in the top left corner.
[09:28] <GrandCouillon> Another question : does anyone know if "paroles" will support lirc devices ?
[10:22] <nikolam> Doe anyone knows why output redirection in shell does not work:  service --status-all | less   does not stop display and let me see output...
[10:23] <nikolam> also would like to stop X.org and I see there is no gdm now in 12.04?
[10:24] <nikolam> Oh, i see, lightdm is used now
[10:24] <nikolam> pstree command helped me
[10:32] <GrandCouillon> nikolam, It seems that "service" sends its output to stderr. Use "service --status-all 2>&1 | less" instead.
[10:35] <nikolam> thanks GrandCouillon . it is unfortunate such small things like | less are broken now in ubuntu and need more options to work
[10:37] <GrandCouillon> Bye Guys, have a nice day !
[11:33] <xubuntu286> Bonjour tout le monde, j'ai un petit problème avec les MediaKey sur mon portable. Je ne peux pas contrôler le volume ou le On/Off (peut-être suivant, pause, lecture, précédent aussi) du son avec mes MediaKey, or cela ne m'arrivait pas sous Ubuntu 12.04 (même problème sous Voyager 12.04 et 12.10). Avez-vous une petite idée?
[11:35] <xubuntu286> Hi guys, I've got a small trouble with my MediaKeys on my laptop. I can't control volume, switch on/off the sound with them. It works on Ubuntu 12.04 but neither on Voyager 12.04 and 12.10. Have you got some ideas?
[11:38] <xubuntu286> Voyager is based on Xubuntu and delivered by a french guy without forums (that's why I'm writting here). Sorry but I thought it was just an IRC for Voyager. Sorry for spamming you.
[12:38] <phillips321> hi guys, i've just installed xubuntu 12.10 and have messed up the menu for my user. How can i reset the menu to default to restore the menu items?
[12:43] <badhorse> delete your /.config/menu folder, log out & log in
[12:45] <badhorse> to restore xfce to fresh install delete xfce4 folders
[12:46] <phillips321> cool, logging out now, thanks
[13:18] <xubuntu723> Hola, alguien podría ayudarme que tengo problemas para instalar el driver nvidia 173, ya que poseo una VGA FX5200. Gracias
[13:24] <badhorse> mejor entra en el canal ubuntu-es y pregunta allí
[13:24] <xubuntu723> Ok, gracias.
[13:55] <Diago_> necesito ayuda para konfigurar un modem de una compaq presario v2000
[16:07] <hhhzzzarn> really know what im doing
[16:07] <hhhzzzarn> wrong paste.
[16:16] <tjingboem> the background of programs are black. Where can i change this setting?
[16:21] <luthor64> provo xubuntu in virtual box
[16:22] <hhhzzzarn> ?
[16:22] <hhhzzzarn> any question there?
[16:24] <luthor64> i not speak english
[16:24] <luthor64> by
[16:24] <knome> luthor64, what is your native language?
[16:25] <luthor64> italian
[16:25] <knome> !it | luthor64
[16:25] <luthor64> tanks
[16:26] <tjingboem> maybe not polite, but i ask again: the background of programs are black. Where can i change this setting?
[16:26] <knome> tjingboem, that sounds like a bug. which applications have a black background?
[16:28] <hhhzzzarn> black you say ....
[16:28] <hhhzzzarn> can you take a screenshot and paste the image link?
[16:28] <tjingboem> no itś not a bug, a few yeARS AGO THIS BECAME MY STANDARD SETTING
[16:28] <tjingboem> SORRY
[16:29] <tjingboem> I FORGOT HOW TO CHANGE THE SETTING
[16:29] <hhhzzzarn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/1010487
[16:29] <knome> hhhzzzarn, that's not the bug.
[16:29] <hhhzzzarn> ok
[16:30] <knome> tjingboem, can you stop writing in caps?
[16:30] <knome> tjingboem, try settings -> settings manager -> appearance
[16:30] <tjingboem> A BIGGER PROBLEM IS THAT I CAN NOT CHANGE THE CAPITAL LEETERS BACK TO NORMAL
[16:30] <knome> tjingboem, press the caps lock key.
[16:30] <hhhzzzarn> I don't know how a black background looks like. Is that a option and if so, I would like to know how to change my backgrounds to something more eye friendly.
[16:31] <tjingboem> I CANNOT GET IN THE MENU EITHER
[16:31] <knome> hhhzzzarn, see the same menu path, you'll find a few different themes there
[16:31] <tjingboem> SORRY FOR SHOUTING
[16:32] <tjingboem> right i am here again lol
[16:32] <knome> okay.
[16:32] <hhhzzzarn> lol.
[16:32] <knome> tjingboem, you can also press alt+f2 and run 'xfce4-settings-manager' without the quotes, and select appearance
[16:34] <hhhzzzarn> kome, i know how to do those basic things, I thought that you could force change the background of all application to another color. (not theme)
[16:35] <knome> hhhzzzarn, you can't unless you modify the theme
[16:35] <kyle__> I'm having trouble editng the menu in xubuntu.  I can open the editor, change things, etc, but it never saves the changes.
[16:35] <tjingboem> yes i remember it was a black theme
[16:35] <tjingboem> i like to change the theme
[16:36] <tjingboem> is there some sort of default theme?
[16:36] <knome> tjingboem, greybird is the default theme
[16:38] <tjingboem> thanks knome
[16:38] <knome> no problem
[16:39] <tjingboem> but in my case the background is black
[16:39] <hhhzzzarn> kyle__: the xubuntu menu which lists the application menu?
[16:39] <knome> tjingboem, again, that sounds like a bug. which application has the black background?
[16:39] <kyle__> hhhzzzarn: Yup.
[16:39] <tjingboem> right, okay
[16:39] <kyle__> hhhzzzarn: I want to remove some items from it, clean it up a bit.
[16:40] <kyle__> hhhzzzarn: If I uncheck, move to another menu, and move back, it's rechecked.  If I uncheck and close, reopen, it's rechecked.
[16:40] <hhhzzzarn> let me try mine.
[16:41] <hhhzzzarn> mine rechecks as well :(
[16:42] <hhhzzzarn> search if there is a bug report
[16:42] <kyle__> hhhzzzarn: Great.  First forced into remmina, now this.
[16:45] <hhhzzzarn> now I don't have a graphic menu item :(
[16:45] <hhhzzzarn> can't bring it back.
[16:47] <hhhzzzarn> but this time I just pressed the restore default once and waited and it worked.
[16:47] <hhhzzzarn> i have to go now.
[16:48] <kyle__> Damn.  My bad luck is affecting other users today.
[16:50] <tjingboem> thanks knome, see you next time. bye!
[17:12] <ScorchedMuffin> oh, I had that problem too kyle, I had to install an earlier version of alacarte and the lock the version in synaptic
[17:12] <ScorchedMuffin> if your still there haha
[17:16] <kyle__> O_o
[17:16] <phillips321> hi guys, on xubuntu when i drag a window to top it fills top half of screen and the same for the bottom, like windows aero. Is there anyway i can get the windows to fill top left, top right and so on without installing compiz?
[17:16] <kyle__> ScorchedMuffin: so, downgrade alacarte, pin it in synaptic, and go?
[17:16] <phillips321> ....surely xfce has this option hidden somewhere?
[17:18] <ScorchedMuffin> yep
[17:18] <subman> I'm trying to setup an IRC server using the instructions found here http://www.the-tech-tutorial.com/?p=709 but I don't seem to be able to connect to the server.  I've gotten as far as installing the program and making sure that it is started.  On a client machine it resolves the address but says connection error
[17:19] <Jef__> Hi, may I ask?
[17:19] <torax> go ahead
[17:20] <ScorchedMuffin> kyle, are you in 12.10?
[17:21] <kyle__> ScorchedMuffin: Yes.
[17:21] <Jef__> I upgrade to xubuntu from 12.04 to 12.10, but did't like new Graybird colors. How do I downgrade the theme?
[17:22] <ScorchedMuffin> alright yep, that should fix it. what version is alacarte at currently
[17:23] <kyle__> 3.5.5-0ubuntu1
[17:24] <ScorchedMuffin> it should be something like 0.15.2
[17:24] <ScorchedMuffin> i think
[17:25] <kyle__> apt-cache show alacarte?
[17:28] <ScorchedMuffin> oh, I dunno. I do it in synaptic and just search for alacarte
[17:28] <kyle__> ScorchedMuffin: OK.  I'll try that.  Can you downgrade from synaptic, or do I need to grab a .deb file from an archive and do it manually?
[17:29] <ScorchedMuffin> you need to grab the .deb file
[17:29] <ScorchedMuffin> I think somewhere around alacarte 0.13.2 is safe
[17:29] <ScorchedMuffin> also I'm fairly new to irc, how do you do that thing where you addresss me?
[17:30] <kyle__> ScorchedMuffin: You type the person's nick, followed by a :  Or, if you're on a reasonable client, you start typing their nick, tab complete it/rotate through similar, then finish your response.
[17:31] <kyle__> irssi is a pretty fantastic client, though CLI, which some people still don't like.
[17:31] <GridCube> ScorchedMuffin, you type the first part of a nick and press tab
[17:31] <ScorchedMuffin> kyle__, Yay! thats really useful
[17:32] <ScorchedMuffin> thanks guys
[17:32] <kyle__> NP!
[17:32] <GridCube> ScorchedMuffin, you can do that on any terminal aswell to type command names
[17:32] <GridCube> !tab
[17:33] <ScorchedMuffin> I knew I could do it in the terminal but I never knew about it in IRC
[17:33] <ScorchedMuffin> thats awesome
[17:34] <kyle__> I don't know if irssi/ircii use lib-readline, but most command line appications that are compiled with readline support tab completion, and history and history search using ctrl-r
[17:34] <ScorchedMuffin> o
[18:03] <Melsi> Hello there! I am suggested to run this command: export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/play20 I have chenged it to export PATH=$PATH:/media/SAVE/Xubuntu/MyProgs/Play/play-2.0.4  however when I run the play command outside of the play folder I get: permission denied but when I run it from within the play folder I get bash: /usr/bin/play: No such file or directory  My question is: does the failure on running the play command happens because of how
[18:03] <Melsi> sorry it is too big!!
[18:07] <Melsi> I have found a related post on stackoverflow.. checking on it now
[19:31] <GridCube> excuse me i cant do this by private message
[19:31] <GridCube> !hi
[19:32] <knome> GridCube, !hi-#xubuntu
[20:54] <ball> Ah good, my Xubuntu box is on the LAN.
[20:57] <baizon> ball: :)
[20:59] <ball> I had to take the PCI WiFi NIC from my daughter's desktop PC and put it into this one.
[21:00] <ball> Ah good, sound works too.
[21:04] <ball> Okay, time to try YouTube.
[21:07] <ball> Nice, it works.
[21:07] <Unit193> VLC should be able to handle YouTube videos as well, if you use that.
[21:08] <ball> I'll try PBS Kids later but it's time to do the recycling.
[21:09] <ball> Bye all!
[22:32] <Jo-Br> hi guys! somethin brazilian?
[22:32] <Unit193> !br | Jo-Br
[22:49] <xubuntu212> need help with permision on the volder containg virtual machines
[22:50] <xubuntu212> unable to start virtual machine manager because it can't open the directory vm's are in
[22:50] <xubuntu212> permision on the directory have been chanded to root only
[22:51] <lukinfore> so u want to change permission back or what?
[22:51] <torax> chown command changes folder owner
[22:51] <xubuntu212> yes
[22:54] <torax> and chmod cahnges folder permissions for example /data/virtualmachhine can be changed chmod ug+rw virtualmachine, , u=user g=group r=read, w=write
[22:57] <xubuntu212> so do i have to be at the folder level for example if i wanted to change the permission on the path /.virt-manager what would the syntax look like?
[22:57] <xubuntu212> i want to change the permission back to the user that is loged on in order to start the virtual machine and i don't know the root password
[22:59] <torax> xubuntu212: Im terribly sorry that im quite drunk but I try to help you the best I can, So if yuo could tell me what virtual machine you want to open and what user as you logged in as
[23:02] <xubuntu212> the host server is running Xunbuntu 12.04 and xfce desktop 4.8, the id that it automatically logins in with is NTGINC
[23:03] <xubuntu212> when i try to start virtual machine manager i get write access error message
[23:04] <xubuntu212> when i go to the folder and check permision it is all greyed out and it states root as the owner
[23:06] <lukinfore> xubuntu212, obviously you do need root access to change root ownership. any ownership in fact
[23:16] <xubuntu212> so how would i chnge ownership of that particualr folder?
[23:19] <lukinfore> as mentioned above chown <user> <folder>
[23:19] <lukinfore> with root access
[23:19] <lukinfore> aka sudo or su
[23:21] <xubuntu212> i get operation not permitted
[23:27] <torax> xubuntu212: can you provide the exact command you are trying?


[00:06] <Mannequin> hi, I've written a little shell script that starts-up my wi-fi connection
[00:06] <Mannequin> it must be run as sudo
[00:07] <Mannequin> I would like to know where can I put it so it runs on start-up, both for my gf user and my user
[00:07] <zoredache> Mannequin: does it run after the gui is started?
[00:08] <zoredache> or does it matter?
[00:08] <Mannequin> mmmmm, I think it doesn't matter. All commands are CLI commands
[00:08] <Mannequin> like iwconfig and iwpriv
[00:09] <zoredache> is the interface built-in to the computer?
[00:09] <zoredache> you could update your /etc/network/interfaces file to call the script directly
[00:09] <zoredache> anyway since it is network related I would put it in /etc/network
[00:10] <zoredache> then either start it with an 'up' cause in the interfaces file or call set it up as an autostart either per user or in at the system level
[00:17] <Mannequin> zoredache: yes, the interface is built-in
[00:17] <Mannequin> how do I run an script from the interfaces file?
[00:17] <TheSheep> custom local scripts should go to /etc/rc.local
[00:22] <ron_o> I sort of asked this question before but I still don't know for sure the effect of what I'd like to do. I'm trying to get mplayer rc2 installed. But the repos only have rc1 installed.
[00:22] <ron_o> if I install mplayer from a .deb file, can I have two instances of mplayer on my system?
[00:22] <ron_o> right now if I remove my one mplayer then other apps I have will be removed as well.
[00:23] <ron_o> I'm kind of confused as to how to go about this.
[00:23] <j1mc> hm, ron_o ... sorry, i don't know the answer to that one.
[00:23] <zoredache> ron_o: there are ways, but is is tricky... there is an option to have a .deb extracted to an alternate directory
[00:23] <ron_o> zoredache, yah, that's what I'm after.
[00:24] <ron_o> I'll look into that option.
[00:24] <ron_o> mplayer was just updated too, but to another version of rc1.. damn.
[00:24] <ron_o> so I figure it's going to be a long time for it to get to rc2..
[00:26] <zoredache> ron_o: another option might be to get the source for the package and manually build it so that it will run from the /usr/local directory
[00:26] <ron_o> I can do that too. thanks.. :)
[00:27] <Lobster> how can I get the settings-manager for compiz in xubuntu?
[00:27] <Lobster> oh... nevermind
[00:28] <j1mc> Lobster: :)
[00:37] <ron_o> hmm, it says here that mplayer rc2 is in multivers: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/mplayer
[00:37] <ron_o> I have multiverse..
[00:38] <j1mc> ron_o: are you running the development release of hardy?
[00:39] <ron_o> no.
[00:40] <j1mc> ron_o: so it looks like rc2 is in hardy (which will be released officially in about a month), but you aren't running that version yet.
[00:40] <ron_o> I see. I thought I was. sorry.
[00:40] <j1mc> :)  np
[00:40] <ron_o> a month. I can wait that long. :)
[00:41] <j1mc> :)  cool.  hardy is shaping up pretty nicely, so it should be a good release.  at least i think so.  :)
[00:44] <Stroganoff> where does Thunar store the favorite folder pane?
[00:44] <Stroganoff> the folder shortcuts
[00:47] <TheSheep> Stroganoff: in ~/.gtk-bookmarks
[00:47] <Stroganoff> thx
[00:48] <ron_o> the only reason why I wanted mplayer upgraded was because rc2 will fast forward flash and rc1 will not. But vlc does it just fine. I can stand another  month here. :)
[02:18] <kommer> Can anyone help me with screen resolution in xubuntu please?
[02:18] <HACKhalo2> is it for the login?
[02:19] <kommer> the login?
[02:19] <HACKhalo2> when you login, sorry
[02:19] <kommer> I can't change my res past 800x600, I'm trying to get 1152x864.
[02:20] <HACKhalo2> what setting is it on, driver wise?
[02:20] <kommer> Screens and graphics settings you mean?
[02:20] <HACKhalo2> yea
[02:21] <kommer> I've tried changing that as I get "Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" every time I start up yet to no avail, the changes don't get saved
[02:22] <kommer> driver is set to vesa
[02:22] <HACKhalo2> oh, sorry, i don't know how to fix that problem
[02:22] <HACKhalo2> heh
[02:22] <HACKhalo2> did you just install ubuntu?
[02:22] <kommer> yesterday
[02:22] <HACKhalo2> is there anything on it thats important?
[02:23] <kommer> not really
[02:23] <HACKhalo2> reinstall
[02:23] <kommer> there must be a way to fix without reinstalling
[02:23] <kommer> it's just the resolution which is annoying :(
[02:25] <HACKhalo2> well, try it
[02:25] <HACKhalo2> i had to reinstall twicee because it screwed up
[02:26] <kommer> I'll think about it, thanks for the suggestion
[02:46] <burntcheese> hey anyone here running xbuntu on an eeepc?
[02:47] <burntcheese> or tried to install xubuntu to an SD card?
[06:38] <ArmyMan007> hello? anybody home?
[06:43] <zoredache> perhaps
[06:43] <zoredache> !anyone
[06:43] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[06:54] <ArmyMan007> ubotu -> because usually people don't answer...
[07:05] <zoredache> if you don't ask your question they will never have a chance
[08:31] <crackerjackz> im using gentoo and ubuntu....im trying to help a friend that has xubuntu
[08:32] <crackerjackz> in ubuntu if you want to configure your wireless card its system->administration->network-> wireless connection
[08:32] <crackerjackz> what is it in xbuntu?
[08:32] <crackerjackz> hes using gnome
[08:32] <crackerjackz> my ubuntu uses gnome but i hear the GUI in xubuntu is diff from the gui in ubuntu
[08:41] <Iskr> well
[08:41] <Iskr> does it use gnome or note?
[08:41] <Iskr> *or not?
 hes using gnome
[08:44] <crackerjackz> iskr yes hes using gnome
[08:44] <crackerjackz> sorry for late reply
[08:45] <dm-madman> Ubuntastic!
[08:45] <crackerjackz> lol madman
[08:58] <Iskr> crackerjackz, so i'm sorry if i don't undestand, but what's your concern?
[08:58] <Iskr> gnome is always gnome
[09:00] <crackerjackz> maybe hes not using gnome then
[09:00] <crackerjackz> i think hes confused
[09:00] <Iskr> eheh
[09:00] <Iskr> i think he is using xfce
[09:00] <Iskr> since it is xubuntu default desktop manager =)
[09:01] <crackerjackz> i had him type lspci
[09:01] <crackerjackz> heres what it said
[09:01] <crackerjackz> http://rafb.net/p/ua2FBE11.html
[09:01] <crackerjackz> i had him load this module modprobe libertas
[09:01] <crackerjackz> modprobe libertas     ***
[09:02] <crackerjackz> he says "wireless connection isnt showing up in network manager as if its not detecting the card at all"
[09:05] <Iskr> mmm
[09:05] <Iskr> i'm sorry i can't help
[09:07] <crackerjackz> its ok
[09:07] <crackerjackz> lskr thanks any ways =]
[09:10] <Lokian> hi all
[09:10] <KojiroAK> hi
[09:10] <ere4si> !hi
[09:10] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu!
[09:39] <gabkdlly> if I forward email to localhost using smtp, where does it go?
[09:40] <Lokian> the some place that lost socks go
[09:40] <gabkdlly> really? big black hole style?
[09:45] <Lokian> No idea
[09:45] <Lokian> I'm completly new to xubuntu and linux in general, sorry
[09:45] <mikubuntu> can anyone tell me how to complete my update cycle... last week after an update failed to complete i am left with a prompt on the update icon that says 'This usually means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies'
[09:45] <Lokian> Hell, I can't even get VNC server to work
[09:51] <Lokian> Man, is it so hard to find a mobo with a built in dual nics
[09:52] <Lokian> that doesn't cost a small fourtune
[09:52] <Lokian> or is that fortune..
[09:55] <ere4si> Lokian: have you installed the server on the box you want to connect to?
[09:57] <ere4si> and edited the /etc/hosts files to add the ips' of the comps?
[10:12] <Lokian> ere4si: Yes
[10:12] <Lokian> ere4si: waaaiitt.. etc/hosts file?
[10:12] <ere4si> Lokian: yep
[10:13] <Lokian> I've never read that in any of the guids I have seen
[10:13] <Lokian> guides*
[10:15] <ere4si> Lokian: on both comps - your /etc/hosts file should list the ips' and hostname of the other comps
[10:15] <ere4si> s/on/all
[10:15] <Lokian> But I only run linux on one box. total. period.
[10:16] <ere4si> Lokian: ahh - windows connecting to linux?
[10:16] <ere4si> or the other way?
[10:16] <Lokian> ere4si: Yup
[10:16] <ere4si> one min
[10:17] <Lokian> ere4si: I'm trying to make a firewall/proxy whatever that just runs moblock so I don't have to run peergaurdian on each machine
[10:19] <ere4si> Lokian: don't do anything like that - haven't run windows since 2002 - was going to read a guide for the vnc part and walk you through it
[10:20] <ere4si> Lokian: how are you trying to connect? -what are you typing/using pls?
[10:21] <Lokian> ere4si: What's a good wireless Mini PCI or Cardbus card for linux?
[10:21] <ere4si> I don't do wireless either hehe
[10:21] <ere4si> sorry
[10:24] <Lokian> oh poop
[10:25] <Lokian> ere4si I'm trying to connect on my LAN?
[10:26] <ere4si> Lokian: vnc will display your linux desktop on another comp - you need a windows prog to do that
[10:26] <ord> can anyone help me with a wierd problem?
[10:27] <Lokian> ok?
[10:28] <ord> I can't wake the computer up after hour or so
[10:28] <ord> I checked the power management and configured the screen and HDD to NEVER sleep
[10:28] <ord> but still, after hour or so, I can't wake him up
[10:28] <ord> any ideas?
[10:32] <ere4si> ord: it is probably a bios setting
[10:33] <ere4si> Lokian: look at putty as a windows app
[10:33] <ord> ere4si: so i need to check the bios for power manager?
[10:34] <ere4si> ord: there will be an option - they come under diff names for diff bios's
[10:46] <mikubuntu> can anyone tell me how to complete my update cycle... last week after an update failed to complete i am left with a prompt on the update icon that says 'This usually means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies'
[10:48] <ord> ere4si: thank you
[10:49] <ere4si> ord: found the option?
[10:49] <ere4si> :)
[10:50] <ord> ere4si: i found power managment
[10:50] <ord> most of the things looked fine
[10:50] <ord> only changed the video... to off
[10:50] <ord> hope that will do the trick
[10:51] <ere4si> good luck :)
[10:51] <ord> thanx
[10:53] <mikubuntu> can anyone tell me how to complete my update cycle... last week after an update failed to complete i am left with a prompt on the update icon that says 'This usually means that your installed packages have unmet dependencies'
[11:05] <Lokian> Does anyone know if Remote Admin works with linux?
[11:22] <killown> hi, I cannot add item XFCE main menu to xfce4-panel because it disappear can anyone help me?
[11:24] <ere4si> killown: if you right click the panel and select "add new item" is it not there?
[11:25] <killown> ere4si does it not
[11:25] <killown> ere4si, I don't know how I can add it again
[11:26] <killown> xfdesktop-menu shom me this menu
[11:26] <killown> show*
[11:30] <notinuse2> just a question guys, i have a sun ultrasparc 2 450mhz cpu with around 256 maybe 512mb ram with xubuntu run on it fine?
[11:31] <ere4si> killown: do you have a file in your home folder   .config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml   ?
[11:32] <ere4si> notinuse2: should be ok :)
[11:32] <killown> ere4si, nop
[11:32] <notinuse2> Also, it didn't come with a video card for some reason, can i just bung any old pci card in there?
[11:32] <ere4si> killown: that is the file the menu is made from - one min
[11:33] <killown> ere4si, where I can found it?
[11:33] <killown> menu.xml
[11:33] <ere4si> killown: I'll paste mine - then you can copy
[11:33] <ere4si> !paste
[11:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[11:34] <killown> ok ty
[11:34] <notinuse2> also, im guessing xubuntu is a lighter weight version of ubuntu?
[11:35] <Lokian> heh, I use xubuntu..
[11:36] <ere4si> killown: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61450/ - make sure you put it in the right file name - the ctrl + alt + bksp to restart and login then right click the pane and add new item
[11:37] <notinuse2> its amazing if it runs well on this, its bloody ten years old
[11:37] <ere4si> notinuse2: it uses xfce which is lighter then gnome that ubuntu uses
[11:37] <killown> ere4si, thanks a lot dude
[11:37] <ere4si> np :)
[11:37] <killown> brb
[11:38] <notinuse2> i presume i will most likely want a lightweight browser, any recommendations?
[11:38] <ere4si> notinuse2: I use it on a 450mhz amd k6 with 256 - it's not fast but more than usable
[11:39] <ere4si> epiphany is supposed to be light - I use firefox still
[11:39] <notinuse2> i might have a look at fluxbuntu
[11:39] <notinuse2> might you, i will most likely be buying 3 more cpu's :P they go for $12 on ebay
[11:40] <notinuse2> mind*
[11:41] <ere4si> fluxbuntu still has issues - I use the server install with fluxbox on my main comp - 40mb mem used at boot :)
[11:41] <notinuse2> what kind of issues D:
[11:42] <ere4si> from what I've read there is some issues with some h/ware
[11:42] <notinuse2> i will download both :D
[11:42] <Lokian> I use xubuntu on a PII 300 with 192MB's of RAM
[11:42] <ere4si> have fun :)
[11:43] <notinuse2> i will
[11:49] <notinuse2> it would seem fluxubuntu doesnt even have a sparc image :/ yay
[11:50] <ere4si> hehe
[11:50] <ere4si> it is still young :)
[11:51] <notinuse2> huh, i dont see one under xubuntu  either
[11:53] <notinuse2> found one, but it was under alternative installation cd is that a problem?
[11:54] <ere4si> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ports/releases/7.10/release/
[11:54] <ere4si> The alternate is just a text installation - no live cd
[11:54] <ere4si> same os at the end
[11:55] <notinuse2> huh, i might grab it for my ps3 aswell :D
[11:55] <ere4si> grab the right ones
[11:55] <notinuse2> xubuntu-7.10-alternate-sparc.iso << is the correct one yeah
[11:56] <ere4si> yep - looks right
[11:56] <ere4si> but not for the pent :)
[11:56] <ere4si> hehe
[11:57] <notinuse2> Playstation 3 , not p3 :P
[11:57] <ere4si> oops
[11:58] <ere4si> aren't they pentiums?
[11:58] <notinuse2> Nope, which is why they run a completey different ISO, its a properity CPU designed by Toshiba Sony and IBM
[11:59] <ere4si> there you go - the older ones were weren't they?
[11:59] <notinuse2> XBOX1 ran a Pentium 3, XBOX360 runs a 3 Core PPC CPU and the PS1 and PS2 both ran properity stuff
[12:00] <ere4si> kk
[12:03] <TheSheep> I think ps3 is 64 core... :)
[12:04] <notinuse2> I would go into detail but it would bore you guys (:
[13:47] <totzilla> hi can anyone tell me what the release date is for hadry heron
[13:48] <totzilla> just trying to figure out if i should wait since april is just a few days away
[13:50] <totzilla> ok thanks for the help
[13:51] <TheSheep> totzilla: 27 April 2008
[13:51] <totzilla> oh great TheSheep guess i'll get the beta then
[13:51] <TheSheep> the link to exact schedule is on that page:
[13:52] <TheSheep> !hardy
[13:52] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 24, 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:52] <TheSheep> oh, Apriol 24
[13:52] <TheSheep> April
[13:52] <TheSheep> cool
[13:53] <totzilla> sounds like a lot of work/thought went into making it hope its as good as it sounds
[13:56] <ere4si> totzilla: the beta is good so far :)
[13:57] <totzilla> great to hear that ere4si
[13:58] <ere4si> totzilla: had an issue yesterday and the updates solved it - so it's looking good
[14:22] <jandark> any one have a problem with system date and time in xubuntu 7.10 ?
[14:23] <jandark> my system date change every time I reboot my PC
[14:52] <Lobster> where to report a bug in xubuntu 8.04?
[14:55] <j1mc> Lobster: do you havea launchpad account?
[14:55] <Lobster> no
[14:56] <Lobster> actuallly its a wrong localization and not really a bug
[14:57] <j1mc> Lobster: ok.  what's the problem exactly?
[14:58] <Lobster> the options dialog od quicklauncher-pannel-applet is french
[14:58] <j1mc> what language should it be?
[14:58] <Lobster> englich, I installed without any localization
[14:59] <Lobster> *english
[14:59] <j1mc> huh... it's the same way for me!
[15:00] <j1mc> it shouldn't be that way
[15:02] <j1mc> i'll see what package that belongs to.
[15:03] <j1mc> Lobster: would you like me to walk you through reporting the bug?
[15:05] <Lobster> hm okay
[15:06] <Lobster> Ill get a launchpad account
[15:06] <j1mc> Lobster: actually... https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce/+bug/179917
[15:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179917 in xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin "Quicklauncher settings display French text in English environment" [Low,Fix released]
[15:06] <j1mc> look at that bug
[15:06] <Lobster> okay
[15:08] <j1mc> Lobster: do you see how it says, "this bug was fixed with version 1.9.4-1ubuntu2?
[15:09] <j1mc> you can tell the version of your installed program by typing "dpkg -l [name of package]"
[15:09] <j1mc> in this case, dpkg -l xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin
[15:10] <j1mc> it says that the problem is fixed, but it's not.
[15:10] <j1mc> not in this version.
[15:11] <Lobster> yes
[15:11] <j1mc> would you like to add the bug comment?  create a launchpad account, go to the bug report, and add your comment.
[15:11] <j1mc> make sure to include the version number, and steps to reproduce the problem.
[15:16] <Lobster> hmm...
[15:19] <j1mc> Lobster: i thought of something.  it may be that you don't have the full english language pack installed.
[15:20] <j1mc> when you enter text into a text box in firefox, does it show all words as misspelled?  (underlining them?)
[15:20] <j1mc> i'm testing by installing the english language packs, and will report back momentarily
[15:21] <j1mc> brb
[15:25] <j1mc> Lobster: yeah, i think it's still a bug.
[15:26] <Lobster> hm Im not usin firefox, but I think I don't have any spellchecking at all...
[15:26] <j1mc> sorry abou that... different issue.
[15:26] <j1mc> do you want to report the bug?
[15:27] <Lobster> no go ahead if you like ;)
[15:33] <j1mc> Lobster: ... done
[15:33] <j1mc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin/+bug/179917
[15:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179917 in xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin "Quicklauncher settings display French text in English environment" [Low,Confirmed]
[15:33] <j1mc> i changed the status, and added the comment.  that's all.  :)
[15:40] <Lobster> :)
[16:15] <kommer> Can anyone help me out with screen resolution in xubuntu?
[17:15] <birgi> hey all. applications like firefox, thunderbird, open office are not very responsive. i mean characters that i type do not appear as fast as i type them. can anybody suggest me something?
[17:16] <birgi> is it related to xfce or my graphics card driver maybe?
[17:18] <TheSheep> birgi: what card is that?
[17:20] <birgi> TheSheep: ati hd 2600
[17:21] <birgi> right now i am using that fglrx driver, but for example fglrxinfo does not show up the correct card
[17:46] <the_alamo> could anyone suggest an app that would be good for making a stop-motion video from pictures?
[18:43] <gerro> the_alamo: some use short imagemagick scripts to thread together snapshots of desktop to make videos I'm sure you could do the same
[18:49] <maristo> hi all
[18:49] <maristo> where .trash is situated?
[18:49] <vidd> hello
[18:49] <maristo> i need to delete some files as root
[18:50] <maristo> i already searched for it, but now forget location
[18:50] <TheSheep> maristo: in ~/.local/share/trash
[18:50] <maristo> thnk!
[18:52] <maristo> good channel, not only channel of asks, but also channel of answers :)
[19:18] <c-ron> hi
[19:18] <vidd> hello
[19:19] <c-ron> someone want to help me track down a bug with xubuntu hardy?
[19:20] <vidd> sure...what bug?
[19:20] <c-ron> vidd:  are you using hardy?
[19:20] <alvynmcq> hi ron, i would willing to help but i am a bit of a newbie so not sure how much use i would be
[19:20] <vidd> upgrading now
[19:22] <maristo> is updating to hardy secure?
[19:22] <vidd> y would it not b?
[19:22] <c-ron> open the terminal in xubuntu (accessories > terminal), then type sudo cat /dev/psaux to display the devnode info from your mouse, move the mouse around a bit, then hit Ctrl+C to end the cat output
[19:23] <c-ron> what happens? mine makes all keyboard info display wrong in terminal until i close terminal and restart it
[19:24] <c-ron> can anyone else reproduce this?
[19:24] <vidd> did you open a bug report?
[19:25] <c-ron> not yet.. just wanted to see if anyone else gets the same thing
[19:25] <vidd> this is a #xubuntu-devel thing
[19:25] <c-ron> okie.. i'll ask there
[19:28] <TheSheep> c-ron: type 'reset'
[19:28] <TheSheep> c-ron: it will reset your terminal to default mode
[19:29] <TheSheep> c-ron: you see, some of the characters that were output have special meaning
[19:29] <TheSheep> c-ron: and they switch the terminal mode
[19:29] <TheSheep> c-ron: it's not a bug
[19:29] <TheSheep> c-ron: you can use less instead of cat, it will eascpae those characters
[19:33] <c-ron> nice
[19:34] <c-ron> thanks TheSheep
[20:13] <Stroganoff> xfprint is unable to find my printing backend
[20:13] <Stroganoff> hence i cant print with mousepad and such
[20:13] <Stroganoff> printing from abiword or gimp works fine
[20:15] <Stroganoff> i got xfprint, cupsys and cupsys-client
[20:15] <Stroganoff> what am i missing?
[20:28] <Stroganoff> ok i fixed it with the control panel ^^
[20:38] <martin_zgr> hello, i cannot find any place to talk about cinepaint HDR plugin,anyone knows about any irc channel?
[20:41] <phfnet> i'm waking up a P3 128 MB computer using mini.iso in "cli" mode
[20:42] <phfnet> i'd like to run a minimal but pretty wm on top of that
[20:42] <phfnet> will "aptitude install xubuntu-desktop" do the trick, or will it install too much?
[20:42] <phfnet> are there lighter options that still look good?
[20:42] <siggjen> i believe it will be sluggish
[20:43] <siggjen> fluxbox is oki if you got the time to configure
[20:43] <phfnet> fluxbox didn't come with network boot disk afaik
[20:43] <phfnet> so how do i configure it from mini.iso cli result?
[20:44] <phfnet> or apt-get it
[20:44] <phfnet> (i've got time :)
[20:44] <siggjen> apt-get install fluxbox might get you some way, or better google it
[20:44] <siggjen> i've never used fluxbox on ubuntu
[20:46] <phfnet> ok, thanks, found something that's close enough
[20:47] <siggjen> !fluxbox
[20:47] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[20:47] <siggjen> there might be thre right place
[20:48] <phfnet> thanks
[21:19] <BunnyRevolution> what is the equivalent to yakuake in xubuntu?
[21:21] <BunnyRevolution> xubunt lamp server is /var/www ?
[21:21] <BunnyRevolution> er, apache under LAMP
[21:35] <BunnyRevolution> anybody home?
[21:36] <siggjen> nope
[21:37] <BunnyRevolution> i understand that xubuntu is going through a transition?
[21:37] <siggjen> i have no idea
[21:39] <Stroganoff> BunnyRevolution: xterm
[21:40] <Stroganoff> BunnyRevolution: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[21:43] <BunnyRevolution> does xterm drop down like yakuake?
[21:43] <BunnyRevolution> with key stroke?
[21:43] <Stroganoff> nope
[21:45] <Stroganoff> BunnyRevolution: tilda and yeahconsole are what ur looking for
[21:46] <Stroganoff> both ones are in the repos
[21:49] <BunnyRevolution> yep, that is what i was looking for.  the gui is not as polished, but at least i won't have to search for it with a mouse
[21:53] <BunnyRevolution> beta won't get past the partitioner
[22:00] <BunnyRevolution> is there a way to move the "applications" menu to the bottom?
[22:00] <BunnyRevolution> and replace it with a button?
[22:04] <Stroganoff> yes
[22:12] <FFEMTcJ> im setting up a computer with ubuntu.. im going to use this computer to learn and play with, so im expecting to "break it" often just  because of a lack of knowledge.. ive heard that you can put different things such as /etc and /usr on different partitions to lessen the
[22:12] <FFEMTcJ>  "impact" if you have to reinstal so that you dont loose everything.. Can someone tell me if this is a good idea, and if so, whaht all  should I put on different partitions?
[22:12] <FFEMTcJ> s/ubuntu/xubuntu
[22:12] <oem> hi guys whats up
[22:13] <suebuntu> my first time here just checking it out
[22:16] <HACKhalo2> well, welcome to Xubuntu!
[22:36] <Whyvas> is there a command line xorg config?
[22:36] <Whyvas> like XF86config
[22:37] <Whyvas> ?
[22:37] <Whyvas> I had to install it using a diffrent laptop that it's going to be used in because the cdrom drive of the other laptop is dead
[22:37] <Whyvas> now the xorg is screwed
[22:37] <Whyvas> can I make it re auto detect somehow?
[22:41] <BunnyRevolution> reboot to rescue mode and then fix it
[22:41] <BunnyRevolution> FFEMTcJ: /home is all you really need, but you can also put a /storage partition for files and folders you want to keep
[22:42] <BunnyRevolution> i normally do, /, /home, and /storage
[22:42] <BunnyRevolution> where storage is a partition where i store only data
[22:42] <Whyvas> BunnyRevolution how do I fix it?
[22:42] <Whyvas> I can get to the command lne
[22:43] <TheSheep> Whyvas: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[22:44] <FFEMTcJ> BunnyRevolution: ty
[22:44] <TheSheep> FFEMTcJ: normally you'd put the sotrage in /mnt or /media :)
[22:44] <TheSheep> FFEMTcJ: like /mnt/storage
[22:45] <TheSheep> but you can mount it in your home as well
[22:45] <BunnyRevolution> FFEMTcJ: yes, normally
[22:45] <FFEMTcJ> what is mnt?
[22:45] <BunnyRevolution> i always seperate my data from my home.  as i rm -rf *.* from my home dir from time to time
[22:46] <FFEMTcJ> what do you put in your home dir?
[22:46] <TheSheep> FFEMTcJ: just a directory where you normally mount things
[22:46] <FFEMTcJ> ic
[22:47] <BunnyRevolution> FFEMTcJ: your home directory contains things like .rc files, etc.
[22:47] <FFEMTcJ> k
[22:47] <BunnyRevolution> basically your user configuration
[22:48] <BunnyRevolution> you wont see most of the files unless you "ls -ax"
[22:48] <BunnyRevolution> most of them are .hidden files
[22:48] <TheSheep> BunnyRevolution: why -x?
[22:48] <TheSheep> BunnyRevolution: you don't like columns?
[22:49] <BunnyRevolution> i hate columns
[23:31] <killown> hi
[23:31] <killown> how I do to rename hal devices ?