[01:39] <Azelphur> hmm, cpufreq is being a bit dumb on my machine
[01:39] <Azelphur> I've overclocked to 4.2ghz, but it only sees 2.8ghz and below as valid frequency options
[06:33] <christel> good morning
[07:13] <diplo> Morning all
[07:27] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:32] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:33] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[07:35] <christel> lo diplo, brobostigon, AlanBell <3
[07:35] <brobostigon> morning christel :)
[08:13] <mungojerry> MartijnVdS, i thoroughly enjoyed that programme yesterday, thanks for the rec
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: which one was that again? :)
[08:15] <mungojerry> the kyocera
[08:15] <mungojerry> or whatever :D
[08:18] <mungojerry> antikythera
[08:20] <brobostigon> the greek computer?
[08:20] <mungojerry> yeah, i loved it
[08:21] <brobostigon> :)
[08:21] <brobostigon> it was interesting.
[08:21] <mungojerry> i found it sad that they seemed to ignore the guy who built the working model
[08:22] <mungojerry> all the other university bods patting each other on the back, and the other guy achieved as much as them. i wonder what else there is to that story
[08:49] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[08:49] <bigcalm> hoy
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> elo sailor ;-)
[08:51] <bigcalm> Oh my
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: he looked a bit eccentric
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> mungojerry: (the guy who made a copy)
[08:53] <mungojerry> yes, certainly autistic spectrum, from first impressions. maybe he collaborate very well
[08:54] <mungojerry> his work was excellent and would have been useful
[08:55] <mungojerry> ^would not collaborate
[09:02] <christel> heya bigcalm :)
[09:03] <bigcalm> Ewwo christel :)
[09:03] <christel> how are yoou
[09:03] <bigcalm> Tired! nothing new ;)
[09:03] <bigcalm> How are you sweetie?
[09:05] <christel> i am orkay! waiting for The Passport, cleaning the house, pondering packing!
[09:05] <bigcalm> Pondering packing? Aren't you going at early o'clock tomorrow?
[09:07] <bigcalm> Soo tired
[09:08] <bigcalm> I think that 'soo' should be a word like 'too'
[09:08] <bigcalm> Similar to 'to', but more so ;)
[09:13] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[09:14] <popey> pip pip
[09:14] <bigcalm> Holiday boring you onto IRC? :P
[09:14] <popey> hah
[09:22]  * TheOpenSourcerer is off to the Olympic Park again today. Handball Qtr Final then think we'll drag the kids to Hyde Park later on.
[09:24] <christel> bigcalm: yus! :P
[09:24] <christel> i am just Very Disorganised
[09:28] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: have fun
[09:29] <popey> AlanBell, have you been doing your duties as the grumpy games maker?
[09:29] <AlanBell> popey: not yet, I am doing paralympics
[09:29] <popey> ah
[09:30] <AlanBell> got my uniform yesterday
[09:30] <popey> is it sexeh?
[09:30] <AlanBell> christel says it is a bit camp
[09:32] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:32] <christel> ahaha
[09:32] <christel> it is
[09:32] <christel> also when he wears the cap he looks like a camp mcdonalds employee
[09:32] <christel> :o
[09:33] <christel> i liked the shoes and the trousers mind
[09:33] <AlanBell> would you like fries with that?
[09:33] <christel> AND THE CAMP WATCH
[09:34]  * bigcalm smirks
[09:35] <mungojerry> new favourite game on android: x-construction
[09:35] <christel> bigcalm: they take uniform very seriously it appears! he modelled everything from socks to manbags and watches and umbrellas.. i can only assume they also kitted him out with special Olympics underpants!
[09:36] <bigcalm> Oh deary me
[09:36] <AlanBell> no, gamesmakers are not allowed to wear underpants
[09:36] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:36] <christel> :P
[09:36]  * christel tickles AlanBell
[09:37] <christel> that makes sense, we did notice a certain lack of undergarments in your laundry too actually
[09:39] <christel> i am being subjected to mickey mouse in portuguese
[09:39] <christel> it makes no sense :(
[09:43] <bigcalm> You have some odd tv channels
[09:48] <christel> haha
[09:50] <christel> or a strange child!
[09:50] <christel> i had to go outside to Jump In Puddles earlier.. that was a wet start to my day
[10:02] <mungojerry> i don't think my child will know who mickey mouse is until he's a teenager
[10:02] <christel> it all started when czajkowski brought him a mickey mouse t-shirt back from disneyland.. ;)
[10:04] <bigcalm> christel: a poor quality t-shirt?
[10:05] <christel> haha nah it was alright (but then he is young enough to grow out of stuff before you have a chance to gauge the quality!)
[10:06] <popey> mine know some of the disney characters but aren't obsessed by them as much as they are by other non-disney ones
[10:06] <popey> sam is a massive octonauts fan
[10:07] <diplo> My kids love octonauts
[10:07] <popey> Octonauts! To the launch bay!
[10:08] <christel> \o/
[10:09]  * bigcalm feels out of touch
[10:09] <n1md4> It's all about Waybuloo!
[10:09] <diplo> Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[10:09] <n1md4> Tell that to an 11 month old :P
[10:10] <diplo> One of the ones i couldn't stand tbh
[10:10] <christel> waybuloo must be written by someone on acid
[10:10] <christel> it is seriously weird
[10:12] <popey> they say that about all kids telly really
[10:13] <christel> i dunno, i like postman pat! :D
[10:13] <mungojerry> we watch wallace and gromit once per day in my house
[10:14] <n1md4> I'm not keen on the Postman, was okay back in the day ... but now :\
[10:14] <diplo> There is some stuff i don't want them watching
[10:14] <diplo> I find it violent...
[10:14] <christel> n1md4: it has been rather a few years, i might have romanticised ideas of it being wonderful :P
[10:14] <bigcalm> christel: modern Postman Pat or the shows from when we were children?
[10:14] <christel> bigcalm: 80s pat!
[10:15] <bigcalm> \o/
[10:15] <bigcalm> Is it a cartoon these days?
[10:15] <bigcalm> Or cgi or something?
[10:16] <christel> david likes the gruffalo (a bit too much) and dr who.. bar that he is mainly disinterested in tv but ill watch like 2 minutes of whatever before diving off the back of the sofa or similar
[10:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:16] <popey> my kids aren't really into dr who
[10:17]  * christel gasps
[10:17] <popey> i am considering disowning them
[10:17] <bigcalm> I would
[10:17] <christel> i think he only likes it because he was forced to watch it when he was a newborn (it is probably mainly habit)
[10:17] <popey> will try again this season
[10:17] <popey> sam gets too scared
[10:17] <jussi> popey: let the brainwashing begin?
[10:17] <jussi> :P
[10:17] <christel> though he runs around excitedly whenever he sees david tennant in anything else shouting DOCTOR DOCTOR
[10:17] <christel> (and he is terrified of my remote control dalek...)
[10:17] <mungojerry> postman pat is still OK in my book
[10:18] <christel> (and of slugs i have discovered.. )
[10:19] <christel> popey: your kids are super adorable -- they told me all about the Kitten
[10:20] <christel> and we had a long discussion about how AlanBell didn't have a lot of spices.. which they figured meant that he was not as good at cooking as you are!!
[10:20] <christel> :D
[10:20] <davmor2> popey: I don't like the new one he just isn't dynamic enough, oh and the script writer for the Tennant Eccleston era left
[10:20] <christel> (which i thought was dreadfully cute)
[10:20] <AlanBell> and accurate
[10:21] <AlanBell> but really, they were critical of the size of my spice rack?
[10:21] <christel> they were! :P
[10:22] <christel> i bet you're going to go buy ALL the spices now.. aren't you?
[10:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: is it you who has the S3 or TheOpenSourcerer ?
[10:24] <AlanBell> davmor2: TheOpenSourcerer
[10:24] <AlanBell> christel: well I can't have popey having a bigger rack than me
[10:24] <popey> wakka wakka wakka
[10:24] <popey> did they?
[10:26] <popey> haha, just asked them
[10:26] <popey> they confirmed this
[10:27] <AlanBell> apart from nutmeg I have no clue what else is on the spice rack (or what could possibly be missing from it)
[10:27] <AlanBell> nutmeg is for rice pudding
[10:28] <Laney> FIVE SPICEEEEEEEEEEEE
[10:29]  * AlanBell feels a domain purchase coming on
[10:31] <directhex> cumin
[10:31] <directhex> some people say variety is the spice of life. they're wrong. it's definitely cumin.
[10:32] <popey> +1
[10:32] <directhex> all the variety one needs is "a little cumin? or a lot of cumin?"
[10:32] <directhex> (the answer is a lot, btw)
[10:32] <popey> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asafoetida
[10:32] <popey> required for that awful stink you need in your rack
[10:33] <popey> also, for having something with "foetid" in the name
[10:34] <christel> popey: :D
[10:34]  * AlanBell now owns ratemyspicerack.com
[10:34] <popey> lol
[10:34] <bigcalm> Hahaha
[10:34] <christel> lol
[10:35] <diplo> lol AlanBell
[10:35] <diplo> my spicerack is my wall cupboards bottom shelf
[10:35] <diplo> I have a whole shelf of spices
[10:36] <popey> right, off to go on a choo choo train
[10:36] <popey> ttfn
[10:36] <diplo> bb
[10:36] <christel> choo choo \o/
[10:36] <AlanBell> anyone know a good wordpress ratings plugin or something?
[10:39] <christel> haha
[10:42] <bigcalm> Gah, just wet myself
[10:43] <bigcalm> Maybe I should invest in a sippy-cup
[10:43] <AlanBell> TMI
[10:43] <diplo> AlanBell: you know you have personal info showing on that domain ?
[10:43] <bigcalm> Poured my water mug over myself, managed to miss the keyboard thankfully
[10:44] <directhex> i have 2 spice racks.
[10:44] <directhex> 3 if you count the jars in the shelf above the cooker hood
[10:45] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, just changing it to the office address
[11:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: why do you think sippy cup will stop you wetting yourself
[11:21] <bigcalm> davmor2: smaller opening
[11:21] <bigcalm> It'll stop me from wetting myself so much :P
[11:23] <christel> :o
[11:24] <christel>  m
[11:24] <bigcalm> If I'm going to act like a baby, I should treat myself like one
[11:24] <christel> er
[11:24] <christel> yes no
[11:24] <bigcalm> Well I'm confused!]
[11:24] <christel> my current mental imagery involves you in adult nappies
[11:24] <bigcalm> Nooo
[11:24] <christel> and it is most disturbing
[11:24] <bigcalm> Yes, please stop that :P
[11:25] <christel> i didnt MEAN to.. it just happens :(
[11:26] <davmor2> christel: WHY? /me gets the mind bleach
[11:38] <bigcalm> Just realised that it's Wednesday. Why is the week going so quickly?
[11:39] <bigcalm> Lunch time I think
[11:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: cause you are working so slowly :D
[11:40] <bigcalm> ¬.¬
[11:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: on a plus side steak tonight
[11:41] <bigcalm> Surf & Turf!
[11:41] <davmor2> gord: so are you coming on Thursday?
[11:52] <christel> STEAK \o/
[11:55]  * christel makes plans to go to davmor2s for dinner tonight
[12:00] <Dave2> what's side steak?
[12:01] <davmor2> christel: it's the lug meeting so it's at the Moon Under Water but you're more than welcome :D
[12:11] <mungojerry> has anyone experienced an issue where you can't reply to certain people's text messages?
[12:11] <mungojerry> e.g. my wife cannot respond to a text from my mum, but i can on my phone
[12:15] <Laney> the mother in law filter
[12:16] <Laney> a premium feature
[12:16] <Flashtek> lol
[12:16] <Flashtek> if i get a sms from my mother in law i would be quite surprised...
[12:17] <Flashtek> she died in Jan
[12:17] <mungojerry> anyone done the basketball google game today?
[12:18] <Flashtek> mungojerry: 14
[12:19] <mungojerry> 27 so far..
[12:19] <Flashtek> 21 2nd play
[12:25] <christel> davmor2: ooh lug steak ;)
[12:38]  * bigcalm returns to dream about tonight's steak
[12:40] <christel> how do you like it?
[12:41] <bigcalm> Medium rare
[12:41] <christel> nod
[12:41] <bigcalm> How do you like it?
[12:41] <davmor2> cremated to hell and back
[12:42] <christel> davmor2: noooo :(
[12:42] <christel> meat should never be overcooker :(
[12:42] <christel> overcooked*
[12:42] <christel> bigcalm: depends on my mood, rare or medium rare
[12:43] <christel> generally i find i season just before putting it on a properly hot pan and then just allow the sides to brown and then i put them in the oven for a couple of minutes until the meat swells
[12:44] <christel> and then it is lovely and lush (particularly with a big dollop of homemade barnaise sauce)
[12:44]  * christel nods
[12:45] <davmor2> christel: this is why I like chicken and turkey over meat,  I can't eat fat so I have to cut every piece off, if it's pink or bloody I can't eat it, and yet when Mrs M does it it's lovely but is well done :)
[12:45] <christel> aww
[12:48] <christel> next week i intend to nom yummy birds
[12:48] <Dave2> :o
[12:48] <christel> i intend to hunt them and stalk them and shoot them and eat them :D
[12:48] <christel> (lagopus and capercailie at that)
[12:50] <christel> i er, that killed the conversation (and you're now all terrified of me because i run around with shotguns?) :x
[12:51] <bigcalm> christel: you can run with it as long as it's not loaded :P
[12:51] <christel> haha
[12:51] <christel> it is going to be very tasty :D
[12:52] <christel> IF this passport arrives in the next 3 hours as promised...
[12:53] <davmor2> christel: Muhahahahahahahaha  you live down south right, you watch the olympics get the blame for it being late :D
[12:53] <christel> grmbl :P
[12:54] <christel> i have decided they're just all racist against norwegians :(
[12:54] <bigcalm> :(
[12:55] <christel> yes :(
[12:55] <christel> airport employees are you know
[12:55] <christel> i always get singled out for Additional Security when i fly to the states
[12:56] <bigcalm> christel: maybe they want to get to know you better ;)
[12:56] <davmor2> christel: change your surname to bloggs and you'll have no issues what so ever honest gov'nor
[12:58] <christel> HALLELUJA
[12:58] <christel> THE PASSPORT HAS ARRIVE
[12:58] <christel> D
[12:59] <bigcalm> Wooooooooo!
[13:00] <davmor2> christel: Woohoo you can go on holiday
[13:00] <christel> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[13:00]  * bigcalm dances with christel
[13:00] <Pendulum> christel: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[13:01]  * christel does a dance :D
[13:01] <christel> i guess i better had pack then.. :P
[13:01] <bigcalm> Good luck ;)
[13:06] <christel> haha
[13:06] <christel> (what do i need to bring? :D)
[13:06] <bigcalm> Clothes?
[13:06] <Pendulum> christel: David
[13:06] <bigcalm> Hah
[13:06] <christel> Pendulum: Good Plan!
[13:07] <Pendulum> it would be a shame if he got left behind after all the passport fuss
[13:07] <christel> i will need to bring him so that he can Carry All The Things
[13:07] <christel> :D
[13:07] <bigcalm> christel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOGL23HiyJc
[13:07]  * bigcalm distracts christel with dubstep
[13:07] <christel> woop
[13:08] <christel> i shall send ubuntu-uk a postcard
[13:08]  * christel nods
[13:08] <Pendulum> christel: I think you should make a video all about Norway for us :P
[13:08] <christel> we have trolls :D
[13:08] <christel> (in norway)
[13:09] <Pendulum> :D
[13:13] <MartijnVdS>  under bridges?
[13:13] <davmor2> christel: don't think that you can get away with just claiming that norway has them when it is quite obvious that the interweb is full o them
[13:14] <Pendulum> davmor2: I'd let christel claim anything she wants. Otherwise she might give you the mad face and that's scary.
[13:15]  * bigcalm nods
[13:15] <davmor2> Pendulum: Nah she's too excited about holiday and passports to care right now afterwards I'd agree :)
[13:16] <Pendulum> davmor2: don't underestimate her. She'll get her revenge eventually ;)
[13:17] <davmor2> Pendulum: Yeah but I have flame proof clothing from picking on czajkowski so I'm really not scared at all
[13:17] <Pendulum> haha
[13:17] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com is kind of up and running
[13:18] <AlanBell> please send me pictures of your spiceracks :)
[13:18] <davmor2> AlanBell: you are wrong, cinnamon sugar on Doughnuts
[13:19] <AlanBell> well that goes on *your* post!
[13:19] <bigcalm> AlanBell: broken image on 1st load of that site :)
[13:19] <AlanBell> bigcalm: on the thumbnail of the rack?
[13:19] <bigcalm> AlanBell: yes
[13:19] <AlanBell> that is twitpic's fault
[13:19] <bigcalm> No, I'd say it is the fault of the plugin for not linking to the correct location :(
[13:20] <AlanBell> what plugin?
[13:21] <AlanBell> oh hang on, that isn't right
[13:21] <bigcalm> Oh, you asked for a plugin before, was assuming that that's what was at fault :)
[13:21] <AlanBell> the plugin was for rating things, not for the twitpic thing
[13:21] <bigcalm> I see
[13:24] <christel> davmor2: haha
[13:27] <jacobw2> how do you exec as a user without a shell?
[13:29] <davmor2> jacobw2: Alt+F2 type in the command
[13:33] <jacobw2> davmor2: server
[13:34] <jacobw2> davmor2: i.e. i want to run mysql as the mysql system user
[13:35] <davmor2> ah one for the popeys of the world I'm afraid
[13:35] <bigcalm> But he's on a train
[13:36] <jacobw2> i can't work out how upstart determines the mysql user
[13:36] <jacobw2> or any user it runs daemons as for that matter
[13:37] <bigcalm> jacobw2: usually that's controlled within the server's config - I know Apache does it this way
[13:37] <bigcalm> jacobw2: see if you can find a user/group option within my.cnf
[13:40] <jacobw2> bigcalm: mysqld refuses to run as root
[13:40] <bigcalm> jacobw2: I'm assuming that this isn't a vanilla Ubuntu server
[13:41] <jacobw2> bigcalm: it is, however, mysql-cluster isn't packaged in precise
[13:41] <bigcalm> Ah, I see
[13:41]  * jacobw2 has found a user=mysql line in a reference my.cnf
[13:42] <bigcalm> Does that user exist?
[13:43] <jacobw2> i think it's created by the mysql-server package
[13:46] <jacobw2> bigcalm: you're correct, daemons handle their own forking etc :)
[13:46] <bigcalm> Line 21 of /etc/init/mysql.conf has this in it: -o mysql -g root
[13:47] <bigcalm> I think that -o is the user to run the service as
[13:47] <bigcalm> I could be completely wrong. This is just me prodding things :)
[13:48] <AlanBell> jacobw2: you can do sudo su -s /bin/bash mysql
[13:48] <AlanBell> to get a shell as that user
[13:48] <jacobw2> AlanBell: yeah
[13:59] <sebsebseb> hi
[14:04] <christel> Pendulum: VOTE ON MY SPICERACK
[14:04] <christel> so that ic an beat AlanBell
[14:04] <christel> hi sebsebseb :)
[14:08] <Pendulum> christel: starting a campaign?
[14:08] <christel> yes!
[14:08] <christel> it is the "Christel has a better rack than AlanBell" campaign!
[14:08] <AlanBell> more spiceracks needed
[14:09] <sebsebseb> hi christel :)
[14:09] <Pendulum> I would take a photo of ours, but it's rather extensive and I don't know everything that's in it (and can't reach most of the things to check)
[14:10] <AlanBell> Pendulum: please do!
[14:10] <Pendulum> it might take more than one photo
[14:10] <AlanBell> thats fine
[14:10] <directhex> can we post videos if we have complex spice arrangements?
[14:10] <christel> hahaha
[14:11] <christel> yes! infact lets do a cooking webcast
[14:11] <christel> tonight can be cooking with directhex
[14:11] <directhex> i am a member of a tech forum, which a cooking subforum. because we were at a mod meetup once, and after a few beers, it seemed like a brilliant idea
[14:12] <AlanBell> directhex: sure, videos would be fine too (on some kind of embeddable thing)
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> directhex, christel: http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/ ?
[14:12] <dogmatic69> "cooking with dogmatic69" ~= calling the nearest takeaway place :D
[14:12] <christel> MartijnVdS: oooh
[14:13] <christel> cooking is always a brilliant idea :D
[14:14] <directhex> http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hotpot-cookery-discussion/
[14:23] <sebsebseb> christel: Are you going to OGGCamp?
[14:23] <christel> unfortunately not, i will be visiting family in norway doing .. norwegian things (like eating too much nice food and enjoying the midnight sun!)
[14:24] <sebsebseb> oh you got relations in Norway
[14:24] <sebsebseb> I got them in Sweden
[14:24] <sebsebseb> would have been there right now in fact, but didn't happen this year, because something
[14:24] <christel> ooh :D
[14:24] <sebsebseb> relatives I meant above
[14:24] <sebsebseb> christel: well half Swedish, so yeah
[14:24] <christel> oh nice
[14:25] <sebsebseb> speak nearly as good as English as well :),  wirth reading being ok,  writing/typing not that good
[14:26] <directhex> christel, you missed "and eating lutefisk" as a norwegian passtime
[14:27] <christel> we only do that once a year! :P
[14:27] <christel> (and then only the tiniest amount of lutefisk covered in bacon covered in brown goats cheese drizzled with golden syrup!)
[14:27] <christel> (yes.. it is rather odd as far as meals go)
[14:28] <directhex> scandinavia is a bit weird foodwise
[14:28] <sebsebseb> directhex: it's nice food wise :)
[14:28] <sebsebseb> for yougurt very much so :)
[14:28] <directhex> i suspect y'all ferment fish as a workaround to the high price of fermented grain!
[14:28] <sebsebseb> altough I supopuse most of Europe is like that really, except for the UK
[14:28] <christel> hahaha
[14:28] <directhex> or grapes
[14:28] <directhex> or potatoes
[14:28] <directhex> or, well, things that are not fish, and are usually drunk
[14:29] <christel> oooh i see a gap in the market
[14:29]  * sebsebseb will donate to the PDPC today probably
[14:29] <christel> we need to find a fish that can live in alcohol
[14:29] <christel> and then we can sell lutefisk vodka with live fishies in
[14:29] <christel> or something
[14:29] <christel> it'd be like awesomer than tequila with dead stuff
[14:32] <christel> tiny ones ideally
[15:07]  * christel goes investigate kitchen for yummy things
[15:10] <zleap> ok
[15:16] <davmor2> christel: Try Food I find it in the kitchen normally and it is yummy :D  Especially the food in hobnob packets
[15:17] <christel> :D
[15:25] <Pendulum> christel: I suggest ice cream or chocolate
[15:28] <mrnicelupe> Blimey, the user list has hardly changed since I was last here
[15:29]  * bigcalm returns with a pot noodle
[15:30] <Pendulum> mrnicelupe: when were you last here?
[15:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: which one?
[15:31] <mrnicelupe> Pendulum: About 2 years ago!
[15:32] <Pendulum> yeah, not so much change in that amount of time. try coming back in 5 more years and then maybe it'll have changed
[15:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: mine ;D
[15:33] <mrnicelupe> Indeed.
[15:33] <mrnicelupe> Uhoh, I partly came i
[15:33] <davmor2> bigcalm: copper, tin or coal? :P
[15:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: beef & tomato with added soysauce and tobasco
[15:34] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com now has a submission process, someone want to test it?
[15:34] <mrnicelupe> Here to ask advice, but the laptop I'm working on just popped*
[15:37] <bigcalm> davmor2: tooks your time to add me on g+ :P
[15:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know I thought I added you ages ago but obviously not
[15:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: sorry about that :)
[15:38]  * bigcalm tuts ;)
[15:42] <mrnicelupe> Well, I might as well ask anyway, on the off-chance I get it to turn on again: what's the easiest way to edit a Windows registry from Ubuntu?
[15:43] <christel> Pendulum: ice cream :D
[15:43] <Pendulum> christel: I knew I had useful suggestions ;)
[15:44] <christel> i like ice cream :
[15:44] <christel> P
[15:45] <Pendulum> christel: I know
[15:45] <christel> :D
[15:45] <christel> is my pleasure at ice creaming that obvious? :o
[15:46] <Dave2> @
[15:46] <Dave2> :o
[15:46] <Pendulum> christel: it was last night ;)
[15:47]  * bigcalm fragile brain melts
[15:54] <christel> !
[15:56] <davmor2> christel: why the ! ?
[16:04] <christel> i er, uhm.. :P
[16:08] <mrnicelupe> Anybody have experience with an HP G60?
[16:10] <davmor2> mrevell: you gonna make an appearance on Thursday?
[16:11] <mrevell> davmor2, Sprinting, I'm afraid
[16:11] <davmor2> mrnicelupe: I have a g62 I don't know how far apart they are
[16:11] <mrnicelupe> davmor2: ever have problems with display flickering in 12.04?
[16:12] <bigcalm> Just over 2 hours to steak!
[16:13] <christel> STEAK
[16:14] <christel> ooh you should do a hangout from the lugsteak meeting!
[16:15] <Pendulum> christel: that is an excellent idea
[16:15] <davmor2> christel: it's whether the wifi would take it :D
[16:16] <christel> hehe
[16:16] <christel> Pendulum: YES! we could remotely steaklug!
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/user/thedailyguru
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I think you'll like that channel :)
[16:17] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i htink i know it, let me look. :)
[16:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: no, i dont have already, thank you. :)
[16:21] <davmor2> christel: it is a whetherspoons after all
[16:23] <christel> aww
[16:32] <christel> czajkowski: if you decide to buy One of those dresses, go for the Very option!
[16:33] <popey> moo
[16:36] <mrnicelupe> Hey popey
[16:36]  * popey waves to zleap
[16:38]  * zleap waves back
[16:38] <zleap> what you think to paignton then
[16:38] <popey> very nice
[16:38] <zleap> :)
[16:38] <popey> went on the choo choo today
[16:38] <zleap> ah
[16:39] <zleap> you down here all week ?
[16:39] <popey> yeah
[16:39] <zleap> ah
[16:39] <zleap> sounds good
[16:40] <zleap> exeter lug meet is Friday
[16:40] <bigcalm> Heh, take the whole family ;)
[16:41] <christel> yay exeter \o/
[16:41] <bigcalm> popey: was there beerage on the choochoo?
[16:41] <popey> no!
[16:41] <popey> and the carriages were similar
[16:41] <bigcalm> Well that sucks
[16:41] <bigcalm> :O
[16:41] <popey> although not as nice as the beer ones!
[16:41] <zleap> is this the steam train to kingswear for dartmouth or the one that goes the other way
[16:41] <christel> mmmbeer
[16:42] <bigcalm> I think it's time to organise next year's RAT :D
[16:42] <christel> lets do one next week
[16:42] <bigcalm> Haha
[16:42] <christel> no wait i am abroad
[16:42] <bigcalm> christel: you silly billy :P
[16:43] <bigcalm> I'm having to cut my oggcamp visit short so that I can attend a 4 day course in London. So no extra beerage for me on the Sunday night :(
[16:44] <popey> :(
[16:44] <bigcalm> Yus
[16:45] <bigcalm> We will both be in Liverpool from Friday though. So 2 nights is better than nothing
[16:45] <zleap> ouch that looked bad
[16:51] <zleap> wb
[16:55] <christel> bigcalm: aw boo! what are you going to be Learning About
[16:55] <christel> (gosh it is 6 pm.. i really should consider packing soon)
[16:55] <zleap> ah service has resumed
[16:55] <zleap> :)
[16:58] <bigcalm> christel: boring coding stuff: http://trainings.sensiolabs.com/en/training/symfony2-php-web-development
[16:58] <christel> aww
[16:59] <Pendulum> christel: what time is your flight tomorrow?
[16:59] <christel> Pendulum: i have no idea!
[16:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: remember no red wine before class :D
[16:59]  * christel investigates
[16:59] <bigcalm> I've been doing nothing but reading today. My brain hurty
[16:59] <christel> 12:20 from gatwick
[17:00] <christel> so i think i shall leave around 9ish
[17:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's okay I'll pick on you at the lug tonight and you'll forget everything :D
[17:00] <christel> then i shall panic a lot when i lose david in the airport
[17:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: I've forgotten everything already
[17:00] <Pendulum> christel: so really means you have at least 3 more hours before you have to start packing :P
[17:00] <christel> haha
[17:00] <christel> <3
[17:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: see just the thought of it has you forgetting it all :D
[17:23] <bigcalm> Fesk!
[17:23] <bigcalm> Why do I always remember to set up my laptop for Thursday so late on Wednesday?
[17:23]  * bigcalm grumbles and hunts down the power lead
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> is the Thursday setup so different from other days?
[17:24] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: twice a month is our Work Place Day
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> Work Place Day?
[17:24] <bigcalm> Which is tomorrow
[17:24] <bigcalm> It's where several people who work from home come together to spend the day working in the same room
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> Ah, you usually work from home then?
[17:25] <bigcalm> A way reducing the chances of cabin fever
[17:25] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I have ever since moving here in '09
[17:25]  * MartijnVdS did not know that :)
[17:25] <bigcalm> Well now you do ;)
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:25] <bigcalm> Haha
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> I've considered it.. but I'm afraid I'll become a hermit 8-)
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> *even more of a
[17:29] <bigcalm> My choice was to work from home or to work for a different compan
[17:29] <bigcalm> y
[17:35] <popey> \o/ wfh
[17:35] <popey> well, wfa
[17:35] <popey> i worked from a field the other day
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: That would work for some things.. but not others
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: I like it to be quiet when I code :)
[17:38] <popey> it was quite quiet
[17:38] <popey> except for the kids
[17:38] <popey> also, headphones :)
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> but do you code?
[17:39] <popey> sometimes :)
[17:39] <bigcalm> Does he blend?
[17:39] <popey> badly
[17:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: what DO you do then? ;)
[17:40] <popey> <- manager
[17:40] <popey> you know that unity thing we make
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> so.. nothing?
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> :P
[17:40] <popey> :p
[17:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: yeah, that's the multi-platform 3D game engine right? :P
[17:40] <popey> :)
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: (that makes googling for Unity bugs so annoying)
[17:41] <popey> nah
[17:41] <popey> add launchpad to the search criteria
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://unity3d.com/company/news/ea-partnership.html
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: Unity Technologies Wins GigaOM’s Mobilize LaunchPad 2010
[17:42] <popey> haha
[17:42] <popey> doublefail
[17:43]  * MartijnVdS will be learning more python at work now though \o/
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> new project is Pythonic
[17:50]  * bigcalm slithers off to the LUG
[17:50] <bigcalm> christel: have a great trip, hope it all goes smoothly :)
[17:55] <jacobw2> o/
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> \o
[17:56] <jacobw2> poor netsplitees
[17:57]  * jacobw2 hugs ubuntu
[17:57] <jacobw2> centos is just horrible
[17:57]  * MartijnVdS waits for his neighbors to come home
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> Postman delivered my new wifi router there :|
[18:00] <jacobw2> :(
[18:05] <siya> Hi
[18:05] <AlanBell> hi siya
[18:06] <siya> Recently upgraded to 12.04 and am now struggling with my file shares
[18:06] <siya> I have a share that I'm trying to access which has guest RO but I want to authenticate as a user so I can write to the share
[18:06] <siya> how the heck do I specify what userid nautilus should use?
[18:07] <siya> Ubuntu username and samba username don't match
[18:07] <siya> AlanBell, hi :)
[18:07] <siya> I think under 10.04 I may have manually set the shares up but 12.04 does a great job finding stuff on my network
[18:19] <jacobw2> :)
[18:22] <Azelphur> Hmm, someone is using forged headers to send spam (drugs, etc), from @azelphur.com. I keep getting delivery status notifications, is there anything I should be doing? o.O
[18:30] <siya> Argh!
[18:30] <BigRedS> Azelphur: if you know it's not coming from your server there's not a huge amount you can do
[18:30] <Azelphur> I think it isn't, http://pastebin.com/uuj4rt0b
[18:30] <BigRedS> SPF records will/might help the recipients
[18:30] <siya> I try to manually log in with nautilus and it still doesn't allow me to write to the share
[18:30] <Azelphur> BigRedS: the headers mention DKIM and SPF, which worries me a little xD
[18:31] <BigRedS> Azelphur: yeah, that's SPF and DKIM for the google server which sent the notification
[18:31] <Azelphur> ah
[18:31] <BigRedS> The original headers don't
[18:31] <Azelphur> fair enough :)
[18:33] <BigRedS> In the two Authentication-Results headers in the original message you can see Google evaluating the SPF record
[18:33] <BigRedS> because there isn't one, it's a 'softfail' (i.e. the server sending the mail is neither permitted to send for that domain nor denied
[18:33] <BigRedS> )
[18:33] <Azelphur> fun
[18:33] <BigRedS> if you're getting a load of notifications from google an SPF record will stop those, because Google will just drop the mail
[18:34] <BigRedS> but the headers don't imply it's your server doing the sending
[18:36] <Azelphur> righto :)
[18:42]  * siya gives up on Nautilus
[18:51] <siya> Doh! Had to restart the cifs service on the server
[18:51]  * siya face palms
[19:03] <BigRedS> haha
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> what's the easiest way to have a small vm on my desktop machine?
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> I want to have a small "server" install in a vm (think vps)
[19:10] <mgdm> I tend to use Virtualbox
[19:10] <mgdm> and occasionally vagrant to drive i
[19:10] <mgdm> t
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: I don't like vbox, because of its oracleyness.. and I don't need the gui bits
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: also, I've seen coworkers fight it
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> it seems.. stubborn
[19:12] <mgdm> I've never had an issue with it myself, except a while back with some network thing
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> ubuntu-virt - Host and manage virtual machines
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> hmmmm
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> that installs kvm
[19:13] <BigRedS> I used to use KVM for hat
[19:13] <BigRedS> vbox is easier and more straightforward for what approximates to 100% of the time in all honesty
[19:14] <BigRedS> I mean, I'm sure it's hard to make it do what it's not designed for, or what Oracle didn't think you might do with it
[19:14] <BigRedS> but they definitely thought about running a server on your desktop for testing etc.
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> I thought it was more oriented towards GUIs
[19:17] <BigRedS> yeah, you get a gui
[19:17] <BigRedS> so I stick that on the bottom workspace and ssh into it
[19:17] <BigRedS> that's the annoying bit, having a useless window knocking around somewhere
[19:19] <mgdm> you can drive it without a gui (vagrant does so)
[19:19]  * MartijnVdS is using python-vm-builder now
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> + libvirt
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> let's see how that goes
[20:15] <BigRedS> Anyone know of a mail client that'll simply ignore all mail older than a given date?
[20:16] <BigRedS> or all but the most recent X thousand mails or something? I keep having mail clients hanging, and I suspect it's because they insist upon indexing mail from 2002
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> so put it in a folder
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> most new clients have a nice shiny 'ARchive' button for that :)
[20:17] <BigRedS> I don't have write access to these folders
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> TBird even puts it in a special per-year archive
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> have you tried mutt?
[20:17] <BigRedS> They're subscribed folders and they're as old as the company
[20:17] <BigRedS> No, I was hoping for something more gui - the large problem is with attachments.
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Poke the sysadmin to clean up ;)
[20:18] <BigRedS> That is a possibility
[20:18] <BigRedS> but I was sort-of hoping for a non-retarded mail client...
[20:18] <BigRedS> I suspect that them not having these problems might preclude it, too :(
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> I'd say gmail, but then you'd probably hunt me down and do horrible things with me
[20:19] <ali1234> i was going to say gmail too
[20:19] <ali1234> it's the only mail "client" that doesn't freeze for me, except for the one on symbian
[20:19] <BigRedS> haha
[20:19] <ali1234> oh and the android app obviously
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: maybe roundcube -- it does imap and only shows ~100 messages at a time
[20:19] <BigRedS> it's internal mail, and being a hosting company we're pretty insistent upon not outsourcing, er, hosting :)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: webmail though
[20:20] <BigRedS> ah yeah, hadn't thought about webmail
[20:20] <BigRedS> yeah, but it beats waiting several minutes to open a zip archive while evolution/tbird/claws/whatever goes dark and thinks
[20:20] <ali1234> yes.
[20:21] <ali1234> though if a webserver can do it, i don't see why desktop clients have such a problem
[20:21] <ali1234> or does google have several powerful servers dedicated to each gmail user?
[20:21] <BigRedS> There's a lot of things wrong with almost every gui mail client
[20:22] <ali1234> i guess not everyone is hitting gmail at the same time, so it's a possibility
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> like "trying to download and index ALL the mails"
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> client-side
[20:22] <BigRedS> yeah
[20:22] <BigRedS> "I know you said IMAP, but I'm going to pretend it's POP"
[20:22] <ali1234> lol, yes
[20:23] <AlanBell> well you can't expect them to support newfangled protocols like IMAP straight away!
[20:23] <AlanBell> let it mature for a few years ;)
[20:23] <BigRedS> haha
[20:24] <ali1234> hdparm --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing
[20:24] <ali1234> brilliant
[20:24] <ali1234> more software needs switches like that
[20:24] <Azelphur> considering buying a GT 610 for desktop use, but I notice it benchmarks worse than even really old cards like my 8800GT...not sure if I should buy it
[20:25] <ali1234> yeah but it probably doesn't need 8 fans
[20:25] <Azelphur> it needs 0 fans :D
[20:25] <ali1234> well there you go then
[20:25] <ali1234> if you want performance get a 8800
[20:25] <Azelphur> but I'm really only interested in cheap, dual DVI so I can run my 2 2560x1440 monitors
[20:25] <Azelphur> 8800 is like twice the price xD
[20:25] <ali1234> if you want your ears to still work in 10 years get the 610
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: you've seen my PC right? You know it only puts off about 32dB?
[20:26] <Azelphur> (lots of fans running at low RPM > one big fan on the CPU going nuts)
[20:27] <ali1234> so you know, like, watercooling?
[20:27] <Azelphur> yup
[20:27] <ali1234> the idea is to carry the heat over greater distance to the much larger radiator right?
[20:28] <ali1234> because having a heatsink that big would be really expensive
[20:28] <Azelphur> Yep :)
[20:28] <ali1234> but if you had loads of money, wouldn't the giant heatsink still be better?
[20:28] <Azelphur> I suppose so, wouldn't look as cool though
[20:28] <ali1234> what's not cool about a 100kg block of silver?
[20:29] <Azelphur> touche
[20:29] <ali1234> i wonder just how much you'd need to get a totally silent, no moving parts, no liquids heatsink that can cool a modern PC going at max
[20:30] <ali1234> the active pump in the water cooler probably does make it better than solid metal actually
[20:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: if your interested, I can turn my CPU fans off for a bit
[20:30] <Azelphur> and tell you temps
[20:30] <Azelphur> I think it'd be fine, in all honesty
[20:30] <BigRedS> yeah, and water's better than air per volume/surface area
[20:30] <BigRedS> and the chip is only so big, so you want something good
[20:31] <ali1234> BigRedS: yes but watercooling still goes to a radiator cooled by air
[20:31] <Azelphur> leaving the pump on obviously
[20:31] <Azelphur> but all the fans on the rad off
[20:31] <ali1234> that's not really got anything to do with it
[20:31] <Azelphur> o.O
[20:31] <BigRedS> yes, but from a 2"x2" chip, which is what you're trying to extract the heat from. It's that interface that you need to make efficient
[20:31] <ali1234> yeah which is why the pump is better
[20:31] <ali1234> it has nothing to do with air
[20:32] <Azelphur> ali1234: but it's the answer to your question, if my setup can do it, then my setup is obviously what you need for running a totally silent system
[20:32] <ali1234> and everything to do with conductivity
[20:32] <Azelphur> oh, unless you don't want a pump either and just want totally passive cooling
[20:32] <ali1234> it's not totally silent unless you turn off the pump as well
[20:32] <Azelphur> ah
[20:32] <ali1234> no fans, no pumps, nothing
[20:32] <ali1234> just a solid block of metal
[20:32] <ali1234> of unlimited size
[20:32] <ali1234> any shape you want
[20:33] <ali1234> i guess that means heat pipes are allowed
[20:33] <Azelphur> I imagine it'd be possible if you have a decent sized heatsink and perhaps underclock a bit
[20:33] <Azelphur> googling for passive i7 seems to turn up results of people doing it
[20:34] <ali1234> yeah but i want to know if it scales
[20:34] <ali1234> or if you reach a point where you can't cool any more by adding more mass
[20:34] <Azelphur> I think at some point you'd run into the problem of heating up the air inside of the case too much, with no way of removing it
[20:34] <ali1234> what if there was no air?
[20:34] <Azelphur> then a heatsink would be entirely pointless and you'd overheat real fast
[20:34] <ali1234> the case is the heatsink
[20:34] <Azelphur> because science
[20:35] <ali1234> alternatively - what if there was no case, and the heatsink was the size of a car?
[20:35] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, then in theory you could go nuts :)
[20:35] <ali1234> but made from solid metal
[20:35] <ali1234> i don't think it would actually work
[20:35]  * Azelphur shrugs
[20:35] <ali1234> i think the part of the heatsink near the chip would get really hot before it could transmit away the heat
[20:36] <Azelphur> my friend wants to build a TEC with a thermostat so you don't need to insulate, that would be the best cooling ever
[20:37] <ali1234> i didn't understand any of that
[20:37] <Azelphur> a TEC/Peltier cooler can turn water into ice in about 30 seconds, it's a real hardcore cooling solution
[20:37] <Azelphur> but with stuff like that if your cooler is below ambient you get condensation and things die
[20:37] <Azelphur> but if you have a thermostat, then you can keep it above ambient, and succeed \o/
[20:38] <Azelphur> ali1234: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIMYlslqPnM is a TEC
[20:39] <ali1234> how do those work anyway?
[20:39] <Azelphur> no idea how they actually work beyond "One side gets hot the other side gets cold"
[20:43] <ali1234> hmm... it's like convection... but with electrons?
[20:46] <Azelphur> ali1234: *shrug*
[20:46] <ali1234> that can't be right
[20:46] <Azelphur> aha, think I've found the graphics card for me http://www.ebuyer.com/387007-zotac-zt-60404-10l-gt630-1gb-zt-60404-10l?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products
[20:46] <ali1234> that would not allow it to get colder than ambient
[20:46] <Azelphur> should drive 2 x 2560x1440 quite nicely for desktop use :)
[20:46] <Azelphur> and it's a nice cheap card
[20:47] <ali1234> x30/x40 are midrange
[20:47] <Azelphur> yea
[20:47] <ali1234> i have a GT 240
[20:47] <ali1234> it's ok
[20:47] <ali1234> doesn't work with nouveau though
[20:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: I have my GTX 570 for gaming, the only stuff I do on these monitors is run pidgin (admittedly with like 100 windows open), thunderbird and keepass, and a web browser
[20:49] <ali1234> Azelphur: can you benchmark my game?
[20:50] <Azelphur> on my GTX 570?
[20:50] <Azelphur> sure
[20:51] <Azelphur> http://www.overclock.net/lists/display/view/id/4482079 is my hardware
[20:51] <ali1234> can you maximize over 2x2 monitors still?
[20:51] <Azelphur> no, I never could
[20:52] <Azelphur> that requires someone with an AMD eyefinity setup
[20:52] <ali1234> i'm sure i've seen a screenshot of you running TF2 over multiple monitors
[20:52] <Azelphur> yea, that was REALLY slow, and it's not supported any more
[20:52] <Azelphur> had to use xinerama to tie multiple X sessions together
[20:52] <ali1234> ah. do you have joypad?
[20:52] <Azelphur> yes
[20:53] <ali1234> does it have 6 axis?
[20:53] <ali1234> if it doesn't, it will probably crash
[20:53] <Azelphur> it's a playstation 2 controller via USB
[20:53] <Azelphur> can always unplug it :)
[20:54] <ali1234> might act a bit odd anyway
[20:54] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:54] <ali1234> depending on how the axis are mapped
[20:54] <Azelphur> other thing is that I only have the one GTX 570, my secondary card is a 9500GT, so that'd nuke performance big time for your game
[20:54] <Azelphur> a passively cooled budget card tends not to do so well gaming ;)
[20:54] <ali1234> i doubt it
[20:54] <Azelphur> o.O
[20:54] <Azelphur> but yea, I can test it on one or two monitors
[20:54] <ali1234> it runs 50fps in my 240
[20:55] <Azelphur> or when my new monitors come I can test it at 2560x1440 which is pretty high resolution
[20:55] <ali1234> 9500 should be better than that
[20:55] <Azelphur> fair enough :D
[20:55] <ali1234> res doesn't seem to make much difference
[20:55] <dogmatic69> o/
[20:55] <Azelphur> ah
[20:55] <ali1234> i want to know if it can go up to silly framerates like 100fps
[20:55] <Azelphur> well as I say I can test it on my GTX 570
[20:56] <Azelphur> on my main card it should go damned fast
[20:56] <ali1234> it's still uploading...
[20:56] <Azelphur> GTX 570 with 4.2ghz overclocked i7
[20:56] <Azelphur> :D
[20:56] <ali1234> the whole game is 10mb
[20:56] <ali1234> 9.6mb of that is textures
[20:56] <Azelphur> fun
[20:57] <ali1234> you need to install ogre and ois
[20:57] <ali1234> http://ubuntuone.com/5uweM7aLkMLiKSSvMnP4nH
[20:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: know the package names so I don't have to search em out?
[21:00] <ali1234> controls are axis 0 steering, axis 2 left slide, axis 5 right slide, button 1 accelerate, button 4 boost, button 5 stop
[21:00] <ali1234> packages are libogre-1.7.4 and libois-1.3.0
[21:01] <ali1234> for some reason they have version numbers in the name
[21:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: how do I check FPS?
[21:03] <ali1234> it's wrtten to console output every 5 seconds or so
[21:03] <Azelphur> at
[21:03] <Azelphur> ah*
[21:03] <ali1234> well actually it's every 0x3f frames
[21:03] <Azelphur> I'm getting like 75 but I'm running compiz, and it's doing split screen
[21:05] <Azelphur> ali1234: it seems to go faster when I fly, gone up to 90, peaked at 116
[21:05] <ali1234> odd
[21:05] <ali1234> the numbers are last average best worst
[21:06] <Azelphur> yea my average is like 75
[21:08] <ali1234> i think when the AI gets stuck in the tunnel it goes faster
[21:08] <ali1234> cos you can't see the rest of the track then
[21:09] <Azelphur> ah
[21:13] <ali1234> so is the framerate fairly smooth?
[21:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: sure, it's fine
[21:14] <Azelphur> lovely and smooth :D
[21:17] <ali1234> brb
[21:25] <AlanBell> anyone else want to take a picture of their spice rack?
[21:26] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com
[21:46] <ali1234> ok so i have a ntfs filesystem mage taken from a hard drive with exactly 2 bad sectors
[21:46] <ali1234> how can i find out which files were in those sectors?
[21:58] <ali1234> ls -lR 2>../errors did it
[22:08] <togster> Evening all
[22:22] <ali1234> Azelphur: here is binary without splitscreen and nowhere for AIs to get stuck: http://ubuntuone.com/0zDlBMUOEfQ22n0r5Ng5gQ
[22:22] <ali1234> it's about 4x faster for me... to be expected really
[22:25] <ali1234> i think self-shadowing entities (like the tunnel) is also a big performance hit
[22:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: 271 best, 120 average
[22:25] <Azelphur> also my ship is wobbling
[22:25] <ali1234> wobbling?
[22:25] <ali1234> oh noes
[22:26] <ali1234> wobbling how?
[22:26] <Azelphur> like when I drive along it's doing the right turn animation
[22:26] <Azelphur> but it's flickering between forward and right turn really fast, so wobbling
[22:26] <ali1234> ok, that's your joystick, probably
[22:26] <Azelphur> could be
[22:26] <ali1234> should not flicker though
[22:27] <ali1234> you can record a video, if you have ffmpeg installed do VIDEOFILE=whatever.mkv ./rw
[22:27] <Azelphur> yea, by flicker I mean it's switching really fast
[22:27] <Azelphur> fun
[22:28] <ali1234> does it do it when you are not moving?
[22:28] <Azelphur> nope
[22:29] <Azelphur> I think your probably right it's probably just my joystick
[22:29] <Azelphur> I get exactly the same effect if I mash the right button
[22:29] <ali1234> that's the steering then. that shouldn't happen :/
[22:29] <Azelphur> it could be my joystick
[22:29] <Azelphur> I know they are a bit iffy
[22:29] <Azelphur> (they are like a decade old)
[22:30] <ali1234> the tilt on the ship is defined by forard velocity * steering + right slide - left slide
[22:30] <ali1234> ie sliding tilts the ship if you are not moving, but steering does not
[22:31] <Azelphur> yea, it doesn't wobble if I'm standing still
[22:32] <ali1234> sliding makes your ship move directly left or right, but it also reduces your grip, so you skid more. so powersliding basically :)
[22:32] <Azelphur> fun :D
[22:32]  * Azelphur is winning
[22:32] <ali1234> best lap time?
[22:32] <Azelphur> abuse all the boost
[22:32] <ali1234> under 10 seconds is good, under 9 seconds is great :)
[22:33] <Azelphur> haha just closed the game, restarted it and got 9.655
[22:34] <ali1234> i think under 9 seconds might be impossible. i got 9.04 one time
[22:34] <Azelphur> fun
[22:35] <AlanBell> so what are the dependencies to get that to run?
[22:35] <Azelphur> libogre-1.7.4 and libois-1.3.0
[22:35] <ali1234> yeah and the datafiles
[22:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: I found out something pretty cool for those korean monitors I bought, apparently you can order a new PCB and overclock them to 120hz
[22:36] <Azelphur> not sure how much the new PCB costs though, it isn't out yet
[22:36] <ali1234> wow awesome
[22:36] <AlanBell> got a linky to the datafiles?
[22:36] <Azelphur> http://ubuntuone.com/5uweM7aLkMLiKSSvMnP4nH
[22:37] <ali1234> you need a 6 axis joystick to play it also
[22:37] <ali1234> if you have less than 6 axis it will crash horribly
[22:37] <Azelphur> I still need to get a new joystick
[22:37] <ali1234> go xbox
[22:37] <Azelphur> nevar
[22:37] <ali1234> seems to be the defacto standard these days for joypads
[22:37] <ali1234> it's what i use
[22:38] <ali1234> well, i use original xbox which has a slightly different mapping to the 360 pads
[22:38] <Azelphur> if I buy anything it'll either be a nice Logitech one, or just a crappy new playstation controller
[22:38] <ali1234> which is really annoying
[22:38] <ali1234> logitech should sponsor you
[22:38] <Azelphur> they should man
[22:38] <Azelphur> I buy all there things
[22:38] <AlanBell> dunno how many axis I have
[22:39] <ali1234> AlanBell: what you actually need is two z-triggers and they need to be axis 2 and 5
[22:39] <AlanBell> x,y twist, throttle, lots of buttons and an aiming joystick thing on the top
[22:39] <ali1234> z-triggers aka shoulder triggers or whatever
[22:39] <ali1234> i need to implement joystick remapping
[22:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: but yea, I like my logitech gaming kit, although the recent wave of hardware has been a bit of a disappointment
[22:41] <Azelphur> I've had 2 faults (4 total) with both my G19 and my G930 :(
[22:41] <Azelphur> but managed to get most of it sorted
[22:42] <AlanBell> just a black window for me
[22:42] <Azelphur> :o
[22:43] <ali1234> what video card?
[22:43] <ali1234> this won't work on any open source driver either
[22:46] <ali1234> ok i just hastily implemented twist control for joysticks with < 6 axis
[22:47] <ali1234> AlanBell: you should see lots of debug output on console too
[22:50] <ali1234> hmm so if i copy a file over an already published file on U1, it automatically serves the new file on the old URL
[23:01] <ali1234> spam email from google advertising nexus 7?
[23:02] <ali1234> i am dissapoint
[23:10] <Azelphur> tell them you are disappoint and want a free nexus 7


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[02:52] <tcuthbert> guiverc: \o/
[02:52] <tcuthbert> lmk if you face any more issues!
[03:08] <guiverc> :)
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[00:03] <valorie> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Beta2/Kubuntu is started
[00:04] <valorie> someone help!
[00:04]  * valorie is out of blood sugar and it's dinner time
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[00:21]  * tsimonq2 comes to the rescue
[00:22] <clivejo> its super simon
[00:25] <tsimonq2> /var/lib/jenkins/tooling3/lib/merger.rb:36:in `*': negative argument (ArgumentError)
[00:25] <tsimonq2> santa_ broke KCI again :P lol
[00:25] <tsimonq2> clivejo: see? I don't have superpowers on this one :(
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[01:34] <valorie> I'm trying to make a upgrade page, which is linked to from our announcement of the beta
[01:34] <valorie> I absolutely cannot login to the wiki again, or at least -- I'm logged in, but keep getting kicked to the login page before I can copy our old page
[01:35] <tsimonq2> valorie: login to the Ubuntu wiki
[01:36] <valorie> can someone copy https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu to a WilyUgrades page?
[01:36] <valorie> I've done it about 30 times now
[01:36] <valorie> it was bad earlier, but not so bad as THIS
 You made the page already no?
[01:39] <valorie> even when logged in "you are not allowed to edit this page"
[01:39] <valorie> I made the main page
 Mm
[01:39] <valorie> but not the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[01:39] <valorie> which is linked to from that announcement
[01:40] <valorie> and will be from our release announcemnt
[01:40] <valorie> no clue why I could edit an hour ago and cannot now
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[01:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
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 The wiki has always been trash
 Could we change the link to go to a user base/community kde page?
[01:47] <valorie> we could, and maybe that's what we'll have to do
[01:47] <valorie> :(
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[02:54] <ahoneybun> why sad about it valorie?
[02:54] <ahoneybun> we all know MediaWiki is better anyway
[02:55] <valorie> because I want the proper wiki to work
[02:55] <valorie> and I want to copy the old page, and am unable to do even that
[03:13] <ahoneybun> mm so what page needs to be made?
[03:13] <ahoneybun> the upgrade one from Xenial?
[03:15] <ahoneybun> I got in valorie
[03:15] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu is what needs to be made
[03:16] <valorie> I was going to copy in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VividUpgrades/Kubuntu and just edit that
[03:16] <ahoneybun> seems it is made
[03:16] <valorie> ?
[03:16] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WilyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[03:16] <ahoneybun> opps
[03:17] <valorie> :-)
[03:17] <valorie> that one can be copied
[03:17] <valorie> that's how I usually do it, anyway
[03:17] <valorie> copy the old page and just fix
[03:18] <ahoneybun> alright it's made
[03:18] <ahoneybun> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YakketyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[03:19] <ahoneybun> I did a few things
[03:19] <ahoneybun> saved and free if you want to jump in somehow
[03:19] <ahoneybun> are we using Discover for updates now
[03:19] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:20] <ahoneybun> valorie: ^
[03:21] <valorie> is it working from the beta?
[03:21] <valorie> I didn't test that
[03:22] <valorie> gah, I can read the page, but still can't login
[03:23] <valorie> screenies aren't made yet, correct?
[03:23] <ahoneybun> want to make a pastebin and I'll put the changes in?
[03:23] <ahoneybun> I don't have any atm
[03:23] <ahoneybun> nothing clean ie base wallpaper
[03:24] <ahoneybun> I just wish my breeze settings would work
[03:24] <valorie> sorry, my brain is being slow to come back
 Its fine
[03:30]  * ahoneybun throws Breeze out the window
[03:31] <ahoneybun> so tired of the icons not matching at all
[03:32] <ahoneybun> even weird that Chrome is not anywhere on my system but it is install
[03:33] <ahoneybun> no menu's can find it
[03:33] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/56gGtzO
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[07:00] <santa_> acheronuk: I have fixed that bug in do-all about quotes and double quotes
[07:01] <santa_> however note that you still have to use the double quotes if you want to execute 2 commands such as
[07:01] <santa_> do-all "gbp-ppa && uploadsorce -t <ppa_target>"
[07:02] <santa_> that last one can NOT be fixed because ... it's the shell behaviour
[07:02] <santa_> clivejo: ↑
[07:25] <acheronuk> santa_: great. thanks. :)
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[07:52] <sitter> acheronuk: [22:54] <acheronuk> I assume that KC can vote collectively in place of one -dev?
[07:52] <sitter> KC has no authority
[07:52] <sitter> KD votes based on a mandate by the technical board
[07:53] <sitter> so if one were short of a KD quorum one would need technical board members or ubuntu-core-dev members (as latter are KDs by virtue of being devs with super powers)
[07:53] <acheronuk> sitter: yes. it was a vote on something else I was thinking of I think
[07:53] <sitter> ah
[07:54] <sitter> [22:53] <valorie> however, if we can't round up enough KDs, the KC will probably have to chime in
[07:54] <sitter> valorie: note above
[07:54] <acheronuk> sitter: ninja team membership I think
[07:54] <sitter> does the KD vote on this
[07:55] <sitter> check the wiki page describing all the teams
[07:55] <sitter> I think there's a voting intent description on there
[07:56] <acheronuk> Requirements: Existing ~kubuntu-members member, survive an interview by ~kubuntu-dev, get accepted by a majority of existing developers and at least 3 existing developers.
[07:56] <sitter> there you have it then
[07:56] <sitter> same rules apply
[07:56] <acheronuk> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies#.7Ekubuntu-dev
[07:56] <sitter> if a KD quorum cannot be reached you'll need TB or core-dev
[07:57] <sitter> it's because this is a technical evaluation and not "just" a trust evaluation (as for example membership)
[07:59] <acheronuk> ty sitter - at least it's clear now what hurdles need to be overcome
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[09:55] <mparillo_> I am logged into the wiki, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Beta2/Kubuntu still shows as immutable.
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[10:12] <acheronuk> appears editable to me?
[10:25] <soee_> i wonder .. if KDE provides snaps for all their apps http://mhall119.com/2016/09/desktop-app-snap-in-300kb than Kubuntu has to package them anyway or just use those snaps without any extra packaging etc ?
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 They do
 http://distribute.kde.org/snappy-testing/
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[10:53] <clivejo> soee_: I believe sitter is working on that via KDE Neon
 and Scarlett I think
[10:55] <soee_> clivejo: yes but will it help Kubuntu to stop dealing with Apps if snaps will show up?
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[10:58] <acheronuk> soee_: kubuntu would still want to do apps releases. just that kubuntu users may be able to use newer versions for particular apps/features straight away via snaps, rather than wait for normal backport of the whole release
[10:58] <clivejo> soee_: I guess that depends on the end users and how easy (or how hard) it is to install and update snaps
[10:59] <acheronuk> or at least that is the way I read it....
[10:59] <clivejo> just because its there does not mean users will migrate to it
[10:59] <clivejo> very much creatures of habit
[11:00] <clivejo> but its a choice and choice is good :)
[11:00] <acheronuk> good usage case may be latest PIM etc? for those that want it?
[11:01] <clivejo> yes and KDE software not in apps buddle
[11:01] <clivejo> bundle
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[11:15] <soee_> no news about Beta http://kubuntu.org/news/ ?
[11:16] <tsimonq2> soee_: flavors release announcements after Ubuntu does, Lubuntu's once done it 12 *hours* after!
[11:16] <tsimonq2> basically, wait until someone does it ;)
[11:17] <tsimonq2> (I don't know if that makes much sense)
[11:17] <soee_> i see news about the release
[11:17] <santa_> acheronuk: I made some improvements in new KA tooling based on our last experience using it
[11:17] <soee_> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-16.10-Beta-Final
[11:17] <santa_> acheronuk: 1. now you can do "gbp-ppa -d yakkety,xenial"
[11:18] <santa_> acheronuk: 2. now uploadsource can guess the staging ppa target based on the package you are uploading
[11:19] <santa_> acheronuk: 3. now uploadsource has some safety checks to prevent us from uploading something to PPAs with unpushed changes in git
[11:20] <santa_> to-do: safety checks for dev-package-names-list branches
[11:21] <acheronuk> santa_: all sounds very goo :)
[11:21] <acheronuk> good
[11:22] <santa_> lets hope it is, let me know if you find any issue
[11:28] <acheronuk> ok :)
 clivejo are you around?
[11:28] <clivejo> ish!
[11:29] <mitya57> tsdgeos, thanks a lot (for the shortcuts fix)!
 you don't seem happy to hear me
[11:29] <acheronuk> Mirv: should you have a second to do so, could you prod armhf to retry build of this? thanks https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-workspace/4:5.7.5-0ubuntu1
[11:29]  * clivejo is working on a super secret project
 clivejo, I see that KDevelop in KCI builds successfully
[11:30] <Mirv> acheronuk: done
 any chance of getting that in backports?
[11:30] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: yes, fixed it the other day
[11:30] <Mirv> clivejo: better conquer the world while at it!
[11:30] <acheronuk> Mirv: TY :)
 clivejo, how can I bribe you for that?
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[11:31] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: that version is the latest git
 I'm reffering to 5.0.1 not master
[11:31] <clivejo> cant go into backports, only stable, tested software
 if they are the same, then good for it
 ok, then
 where can it go now so I can test the hell out pf it?
 of*
[11:32] <clivejo> Id like it in yakkety, but doubt theres any chance of that :(
 clivejo, can you put it in one of your PPAs?
[11:34] <clivejo> well Phil and I discussed about setting up a project PPA for each them and getting KCI to copy the packages across on sucessful build
[11:34] <clivejo> but I havent seen him around to move forward on that idea
[11:34] <tsimonq2> clivejo, acheronuk, santa_: SO, now that final beta is out, what happened?
[11:34] <tsimonq2> we get things to migrate? :D
 clivejo, can we get it in a private PPA? or make a PPA for the project now?
 I have about 30 minutes to do something
 so I can have a better life with KDevelop
 after that I'm back to work
[11:36] <clivejo> need to speak to Phil on how to do that
[11:36] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: I just asked Mirν to trigger the last blocking failure on building, at least I think?
[11:37] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: them it's autopackagetest migration fun!
[11:37] <acheronuk> then
[11:37] <santa_> tsimonq2: I guess that's a question for #ubuntu-release I'm still not used to ubuntu's "bureaucracy", I'm learning on the fly
 clivejo, then can we use a private PPA for now?
[11:37] <clivejo> I would like to see the project page linking to a PPA - https://launchpad.net/kdevelop4
[11:38] <clivejo> well create a new one for kdevelop5
 it shouldn't be kdevelop4
 why not just kdevelop ?
[11:38] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: See what needs fixing. See what we can bribe the -release team to let through failing tests. etc
 and done
[11:38] <clivejo> but I dont know if KCI can copy to project PPA
[11:39] <clivejo> probably have to be one we own
[11:39] <acheronuk> santa_: my first time round on this as well
 I'm creating a KDevelop project now in LP
[11:41] <clivejo> oh good lord
 LP: kdevelop is already used by another project
 but haunchpad.net/kdevelop results in a 404
[11:42] <clivejo> Harold has added himself on Doodle
 clivejo should I make a Kdevelop5 one?
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[11:44] <clivejo> maybe ask in LP channel why kdevelop wont register
 that's exactly what I was doing :D
[11:44] <acheronuk> Phil is on the poll as well :)
[11:46] <acheronuk> Mon 3rd @ 8pm looks a good option ATM
 I found this: https://launchpad.net/~kdevelop
[11:47] <clivejo> yup
 acheronuk: will do a little later ;)
[11:48] <clivejo> Thats a team
 On the bus
[11:48] <clivejo> but a team can have a PPA I think
 it seems to be owned by the KC
[11:49] <clivejo> I dont understand LP that well
[11:49] <clivejo> anyway, lunch time
[11:50] <clivejo> ovie have a chat with LP team and see what the best way to do it
[11:50] <clivejo> we need something with a PPA we can upload to
 it's fixed
 they renamed the old inactive project
 I'm creating a project now
 which team should I make as maintainer?
 clivejo?
 Kubuntu NINJAS
 kubuntu-ninjas?
 @ovidiuflorin, Yes
 Done: https://launchpad.net/kdevelop
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 ¡Bueno!
 I'll write something in a few hours during my lunch break unless someone beats me to it
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[12:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[12:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kio build #272: FIXED in 53 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kio/272/
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[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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[13:01] <renn0xtk9> I try to do a helloworld with PyKDE, > http://wklej.org/id/2871699 it works but when closing the KApplication it says KCrash: Application 'test.py' crashing...   anyone an idea?
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[14:32] <acheronuk> some updates coming through
[14:42] <clivejo> @ovidiuflorin did you create ppa:kdevelop/daily ?
[14:42] <marco-parillo> acheronuk: The Beta2 page is still an Immutable Page to me, even though it shows I am logged in. Are you a member of some special group? ISTR that there was a spam problem, but I am in Users of the Ubuntu Etherpad instance which I thought was used for authentication after the spam attack.
[14:43] <acheronuk> marco-parillo: this page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Beta2/Kubuntu
[14:43] <marco-parillo> Exactly
[14:44] <acheronuk> marco-parillo: are you a member of? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[14:45] <acheronuk> you need to be if not ^^^^
[14:46] <marco-parillo> TY
[14:47] <marco-parillo> "Your request to join Ubuntu Wiki Editors is awaiting approval."
[14:48] <acheronuk> yep. popey is the one to authorise for that
[14:51] <BluesKaj> Over 200 upgrades to Yakkety, but no fix for X drawing the desktop below the panel.
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 Good stuff
 acheronuk: please make a list of things to fix so I can go through it
[15:26] <marco-parillo> TY acheronuk . I am in. I had to log out, and log in again, ticking the wiki editors box. Social Media graphics are back.
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[15:55]  * clivejo yawns
[15:55] <genii> Does anyone know if Jussi will restock https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ at some point? Or is there a different site I should know about now to buy Kubuntu things
[15:56] <genii> ( where at least some of the funds go back to the project )
[15:57] <clivejo> genii: our website seems to be pointing to different supplier
[15:57] <clivejo> https://www.hellotux.com/kubuntu
[15:57] <genii> clivejo: Cool, thanks!
[15:58]  * clivejo thinks Kubuntu Members should get a free one
 +1
[16:00] <clivejo> to wear to events etc
[16:03] <clivejo> I like this one - https://www.hellotux.com/black_kubuntu_pique_polo_shirt
 @clivejo, I prefer the normal black tee myself
[16:05] <clivejo> the "youth" one?
[16:05] <acheronuk> lol. no, adult
[16:05] <clivejo> youth one seems bigger and in the centre
[16:06] <clivejo> wonder can they embroider more details on it
[16:06] <clivejo> like name and IRC nick :)
[16:07] <acheronuk> hmmm........ "Harald from Germany wrote about HELLOTUX: "Ok, the shipping was very fast." July 2015"
[16:10] <acheronuk> "We embroider every shirt individually, with care and love using our programmable embroidery machine."
[16:10] <acheronuk> so clivejo, I suspect that could be arranged to have personal details?
[16:10] <clivejo> would be a nice touch?
[16:11] <acheronuk> yep
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[16:14] <acheronuk> just khotkeys on armhf to build, and then that is all of FW 5.26 and plasma 5.7.5 built in the archive
[16:14] <mamarley> Yay!
[16:14] <mamarley> Great job in getting all that stuff ready!
[16:14] <acheronuk> not migrated out of proposed, but at least all built
[16:15] <clivejo> ok, well Ive got Scarlett, Scott, Haruld and Philip on Monday, 3rd Oct between 20:00 and 22:00
[16:15]  * acheronuk gulps
[16:16] <clivejo> should I just go ahead and plan for 20:00 then?
[16:17] <clivejo> Simon isnt available until 22:00
[16:17] <clivejo> so that's a positive :P
[16:17] <acheronuk> it looked the logical choice to me earlier, but not my choice
 Well technically 21
[16:17] <acheronuk> LOL
 Wait a minute
[16:18] <clivejo> 20:00 for sure then :P
 No
 I'll be ready for 20
 That's 3 pm
 I'll be on the bus
[16:18]  * clivejo face palms
 Nice try clivejo ;)
[16:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: 19:00 hrs then>
[16:19] <clivejo> thats too early for Phil
 Remember, my passing time is 5 mins
 PLENTY of time to say hi
 Lol
 You can't win here Clive
 Lol
[16:20]  * acheronuk wonders if a cell phone outage in Wisconsin cane be arranged
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[16:21] <clivejo> tsimonq2: you marked yourself as unavailable, cant change your mind now!
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[16:50] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: can you test these - https://launchpad.net/~kdevelop/+archive/ubuntu/release/+packages
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[17:26] <tsimonq2> clivejo: well it's your fault for not allowing ifneedbes
[17:26] <tsimonq2> :P
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 clivejo you around?
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[17:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[17:47] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project merger_kjsembed build #734: FIXED in 24 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kjsembed/734/
 * hides *
 AHAAA
 there you are!!
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie, Ey b0ss, can I habe pizza pls?
[17:59] <clivejo> no
[17:59] <clivejo> no pizza
 :(((
 So are we having a 17.04 planning meeting at UOS?
 Are y'all open to the idea?
 If so, IRC or BBC?
[18:00] <tsimonq2> *BBB
[18:01] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo, santa_, yofel, ovidiuflorinm^^^^
[18:01] <tsimonq2> s/m//
[18:02] <acheronuk> not fussed
[18:02]  * clivejo cant think that far ahead
[18:02] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what's that mean?
[18:02] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so can we assume you're in then? ;)
[18:02] <clivejo> noe
[18:02] <clivejo> nope
[18:03] <tsimonq2> any particular reason?
[18:03] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: not fussed between IRC or BBB
[18:03] <clivejo> not going to even think about 17.04 until it gets a name!
 clivejo can I help with the KDevelop plugins?
[18:04] <clivejo> packaging needs to be found, sync'ed with Debian and put into our LP git repo
[18:04] <acheronuk> ZZ names https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A17.04
[18:04] <acheronuk> not great so far
[18:05] <tsimonq2> OMG WE NEED ZEALOUS ZEBU
[18:05] <clivejo> we got more than enough tasks with XX and YY
[18:05] <mamarley> Zany Zebra
[18:05] <tsimonq2> speaking of that clivejo, what's left for Yakkety?
[18:06] <clivejo> tsimonq2: are you serious?
[18:06] <tsimonq2> ...
[18:06] <tsimonq2> did it look like I was joking?
[18:07] <clivejo> KDE Apps, Krita, Kdevelop, Calligra, KDE Connect and lots more KDE software people use needs updating
 Isn't that all in apps?
[18:08] <clivejo> nope
 We have a list somewhere?
[18:08] <clivejo> I would have liked to get the new Discover included with support for KDE Store
 And what else?
 We need a list
[18:09] <clivejo> but that news some new packages, which would be a nightmare to get uploaded
[18:09] <clivejo> needs
 Then santa_ needs to check it twice
 :P
 Lol
[18:10] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/
[18:10] <clivejo> Digikam is another
[18:11] <santa_> tsimonq2: what do I need to check twice?
[18:14] <acheronuk> final freeze is 2 weeks tomorrow
[18:15] <clivejo> ovidiuflorin: I changed the KDevelop project to be maintained and driver as KDevelop Team
[18:25]  * acheronuk feels like hiding until YY release :(
[18:26] <clivejo> !info  kdev-python
 santa_: do you know who the mythical Santa Claus is?
[18:30] <clivejo> anyone want to help with these kdev plugins?
[18:31] <santa_> tsimonq2: yes, and he delivers packages like me
 LOL
 Well he makes a list and checks it twice. He knows if you're naughty or mice.
 *nice
 Lol
 So you have to check the list twice :P
[18:32] <santa_> ah you meant the list of "extra applications" we should update
[18:32] <santa_> I guess we could make an status page for that
[18:32] <santa_> (if we don't have already one)
[19:05] <acheronuk> santa_: not that I know of
[19:06] <acheronuk> need something to keep track of each one we intend to keep up to date, and even a plan for how that can happen and by whom.
[19:06] <acheronuk> for the long term that is
[19:07] <acheronuk> realistically YY is going to be missing a lot
[19:08] <acheronuk> but we can at least do a decent backport set for it
[19:09] <santa_> what I'm not sure yet is what happens with the packages in the release team queue
[19:09] <santa_> they are unblocked when, when the freeze is over?
[19:10] <acheronuk> santa_: we have none left in the queue, so we?
[19:10] <acheronuk> do we?
[19:10] <santa_> argf, I meant -proposed
[19:11] <santa_> some of them are stuck in -proposed without any other excuse by britney
[19:11] <santa_> * without any other excuse than the freeze
[19:12] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[19:13] <acheronuk> I've read that many times now, and some of it still seems obscure
[19:21] <valorie> sitter: thanks so much for clarifying on the KD issue
[19:21] <valorie> and thanks to whomever pointed out I needed to join One More Team to edit the wiki
[19:21] <valorie> sheesh
[19:22] <valorie> and look what I saw linked to in #ubuntu-release: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess
[19:22] <valorie> might help us do better planning
[19:22] <acheronuk> more anti-spam precautions
[19:22] <acheronuk> on the wiki ^^
[19:23] <acheronuk> looks very handy to know valorie
[19:27] <clivejo> @ovidiuflorin kdevelop-python has published, will you test please
[19:31] <clivejo> remember to do a apt update first
[19:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: I started work on a post about Beta 2, can you check out some stuff on it and add some community love ?
[19:36] <valorie> on the site you mean?
[19:36] <valorie> yes
[19:37] <ahoneybun> ye[
[19:37] <ahoneybun> *yep
[19:39] <valorie> more stuff did come through, because I have 244 upgrades
[19:39] <valorie> weeeee
[19:39] <ahoneybun> 250 here
[19:41] <valorie> buh, joined wiki-editors on LP but have to be added, which makes sense
[19:46] <valorie> booting seems faster
[19:53] <clivejo> oh, Im getting FW5.26 from the archive
[19:54] <acheronuk> I'm getting some of it, but not all.
[19:54] <valorie> so perhaps we can get the rest of it into the final?
[19:55] <acheronuk> valorie: that is the idea
[19:58] <acheronuk> the release team topic says "We accept payment in cash, check or beer"
[19:58]  * acheronuk goes looking for beer
[20:00] <ahoneybun> mm I can't scale my UI smaller?
[20:06] <valorie> I will send them all beer if necessary!
[20:14] <soee_> still no news about beta on website?
 valorie ^^^
[20:16] <ahoneybun> we are working on it
[20:17]  * valorie logs in
[20:18] <valorie> ahoneybun: I'm not seeing your article
 I saved the draft
[20:21] <bkerensa> o/
[20:22] <acheronuk> bkerensa: hi :)
[20:22] <bkerensa> hi
[20:27] <valorie> ahoneybun: published
[20:28] <soee_> ! :)
[20:29] <valorie> I'll add to my blogpost
[20:29] <valorie> although our upgrade page is still very sad
[20:30] <valorie> and I'm not entirely sure our main wiki announcement page is good to go
[20:30] <valorie> but I can't edit....
[20:30] <valorie> wooooo, I might be able to!
[20:30] <valorie> wiki eds is there
[20:40] <valorie> we are now distributing Plasma 5.7.2 on the beta, correct?
[20:40] <valorie> so I can link to the correct announcement on kde.org
[20:49] <acheronuk> yes. the manifest with version numbers is here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/16.10/beta-2/kubuntu-16.10-beta2-desktop-amd64.manifest
[20:52] <valorie> oh thank you, acheronuk
[20:52]  * valorie has all the betas seeding now
[20:56] <valorie> so what version of applications do we have? 16.08?
[21:01] <valorie> I have no clue, and the manifest only has packages
[21:02] <valorie> 18th August 2016 - KDE Applications 16.08.0 released  < --- that one?
[21:02] <clivejo> ha
[21:02] <clivejo> 15.12.3 in archive
[21:02] <valorie> or no new
[21:02] <valorie> ok, I won't mention applications then
[21:03] <valorie> are there any new applications included?
[21:03] <clivejo> 16.04.3 staged, but missed the freeze, doubt we'll get them in
[21:03] <valorie> but the freeze is off, clivejo
[21:03] <valorie> once you get your papers, you can upload, correct?
[21:03] <ahoneybun> Plasma 5.7.2 still here
[21:03] <ahoneybun> F2 5.26 though
[21:03] <ahoneybun> *FW
[21:04] <clivejo> valorie: way to go, throw me in at the deep end why dont ya!
[21:04] <valorie> exactly!
[21:05] <clivejo> Ill drown, do you want that on your conscience ?
[21:05] <valorie> you won't drown
[21:05] <valorie> you'll have all your sponsors helping you through it
[21:05]  * clivejo looks around
[21:06] <clivejo> they only coming to watch be squirm
[21:06] <clivejo> me
[21:07] <valorie> I don't think so, that isn't friendly computer
[21:07] <valorie> computing
[21:08] <valorie> well, maybe sitter wants to watch ya squirm
[21:08] <valorie> lol
[21:08] <clivejo> @ovidiuflorin ovie can you apt update and test that package again please
[21:13] <mparillo_> I updated the wiki for Beta2 based on version numbers on the ISO (before the 245 updates I held off applying until now)
[21:17] <acheronuk> TY mparillo_
[21:18] <mparillo_> YW. Next step is to see if I can find bugs tagged for this release, and run them through my little PERL script
[21:19] <valorie> oh, are you working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Beta2/Kubuntu ?
[21:20] <valorie> because I am.....
[21:20]  * valorie cancels
[21:20] <valorie> wiki fail
[21:22] <mparillo_> valorie: Yes, I wanted to get the version numbers right before I applied those updates.
[21:23] <valorie> that's what I was working on as well
[21:23] <mparillo_> But that was pretty much all I did so far (if you click Info, I tried to document my changes)
[21:23] <valorie> I was just counting the ported apps from the porting status page
[21:23] <mparillo_> Ported to KF5? I just stole the count from the KDE announcement.
[21:24] <valorie> but counted everything ported, so my count perhaps should be discounted anyway.....
[21:24] <valorie> heh
[21:40] <mparillo_> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ shows no Yakkety milestoned bugs. I assume either the query is wrong, or we are not tagging our bugs properly. But at least now the URL in the Beta2 Wiki page goes *somewhere*
[21:42] <valorie> shouldn't that be an LP link?
[21:42] <valorie> I removed the old one prematurely
[21:42] <valorie> maybe look at an old announcement?
[21:47] <mparillo_> I think it is because no bugs are tagged kubuntu and are milestoned for 16.10. Do you know how to add a milestone?
[21:51] <valorie> I think we need yofel for that specialized knowledge
[21:58] <mparillo_> only a project owner, driver, series release manager or bug supervisor can target a bug or blueprint to a milestone: other people cannot nominate a chunk work for a milestone (https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases)
[22:01] <valorie> right, he's got the title of release manager
[23:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkcddb build #48: STILL FAILING in 5 min 44 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkcddb/48/
[23:15] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkcddb build #56: STILL FAILING in 6 min 20 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkcddb/56/
[23:18] <ahoneybun> soee: is the Person widget using the Desktop Settings icon for you in Neon?
[23:21] <ahoneybun> just noticed that the unit conversion in krunner is fixed
[23:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_libkcddb build #49: STILL FAILING in 5 min 43 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_libkcddb/49/
[23:26] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_libkcddb build #57: STILL FAILING in 5 min 18 sec: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_libkcddb/57/
[23:34] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/CAuwoWY
[23:34] <ahoneybun> this is what I was talking about btw
[23:35] <valorie> I'm not sure what they mean by "make the person accessible"?
[23:36] <ahoneybun> well the icon is throwing me off
[23:37] <ahoneybun> we have lots of "People" icons in Breeze
[23:53] <ahoneybun> mm rebooted and had to restart plasma to get my second monitor back from black
[23:53] <ahoneybun> I blame the NVIDIA card
[23:57] <valorie> ooooo, my local fav. restaurant is finally open again
[23:57] <valorie> ciao for now.....