[00:03] <cuznt> my screen resolution is effed again
[00:03] <cuznt> i tried to recover mode and fix xserver but i can get 800X 600 ish max
[00:10] <l3d> ok I am having a big issue with kompozer web page maker app the images i add never show up on the final page. I only see the path to the pic and no pic why is that
[00:11] <l3d> I am using abyss webserver for linux
[00:13] <Nikke> Is it just me or is the kde 4.1 panel very buggy?
[00:13] <Nikke> icons gets ugly and sometimes the panel gets smaller just like that :o
[00:13] <l3d> idk much about it but I like the older version better
[00:17] <shadowhywind> so there is no more kubuntu-kde4 channel?
[00:17] <cuznt> swhat im askin
[00:17] <cuznt> right when my screen resolution effs too
[00:17] <Nikke> can i disable the effect when i do alt+tab ?
[00:17] <shadowhywind> so, any way to autohide the kde4 panel?
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> not in KDE 4.1, yes in KDE 4.2
[00:18] <shadowhywind> JontheEchidna: any clue when kde 4.2 will be out?
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> Nikke: system settings -> Desktop effects
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> shadowhywind: january 27th or so
[00:18] <P-Hell> Hi, I have a little problem.  KTorrent decided to start automatically when I start my session, and I don't want that.  It's not in the Autostart folder, where do I have to look?  I'm using Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 3
[00:18] <cuznt>  i tried to recover mode and fix xserver but i can get 800X 600 ish max
[00:18] <shadowhywind> also any ideas on how to make the panel more "friendly" when it is on the side of the screen?
[00:19] <cuznt> nvidia geforce5500 card
[00:19] <ubuntu_> i'm using a kubuntu 7.10 live-cd to try and repair my grub, I reinstalled windows and it killed my grub, anyway i start up grub in the shell, then I try the find command which doesn't find /boot/grub/stage1 , then i tried checking the geometry of (hd0) it appears to be my second sata drive but all OS-es are on the other IDE drive but grub doesn't appear to see it. I tried (hd1) but no help.
[00:20] <Robb_M> hd0 and hd1 arent the right one?
[00:20] <Nikke> JontheEchidna, cant find any desktop effects there :o
[00:20] <ubuntu_> nope
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> Nikke: Oh, I assumed you were using KDE4 where there actually are effects
[00:20] <Robb_M> weird...ive never heard of that happening...hd0 is your primary...which..by default grub installs to it........
[00:21] <ubuntu_> Robb_M: hd0 is my sata disk and hd1-7 are nonexistant
[00:21] <Robb_M> um.......hmmmmm
[00:21] <Nikke> JontheEchidna, i am using kubuntu rc
[00:21] <Robb_M> so......it installed to a non-existent drive?
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Nikke: the first section in the Desktop Section should be desktop effects
[00:21] <ubuntu_> ubuntu exists on my ide drive
[00:22] <Nikke> JontheEchidna, hehe stupied me.. sorry
[00:22] <ubuntu_> but now grub thinks my SATA drive is the only one
[00:22] <shadowhywind> looks like there is a kde4.2 alpha out, anychance is it in the repos?
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> shadowhywind: too busy with releasing intrepid
[00:23] <cuznt>  tried to recover mode and fix xserver but i can only get 800X 600 res max  nvidia geforce5500 card
[00:23] <shadowhywind> JontheEchidna: so take it its not in there then huh? hehe
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> and then we'll be doing 4.1.3, so 4.2 alpha is somewhat low on the priority list right now
[00:23] <shadowhywind> JontheEchidna: intrepid comes out tomorrow right?
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> yes
[00:23] <shadowhywind> JontheEchidna: *nod*
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> though if you have been keeping up with updates you have it now
[00:24] <ironman_> hola
[00:24] <ubuntu_> the trick to not format any drives but select the rght ones in the installer doesn't work either because it refuses to proceed without formatting the root partition Robb_M
[00:24] <shadowhywind> JontheEchidna: should probably do a quick update right now, before the servers gets hit, hehe (did an update yesterday or the day before)
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, they'll be hammered alright
[00:25] <shadowhywind> JontheEchidna: i remember with gutsy it was like a good hour or two just to do updates after the install
[00:26] <shadowhywind> i mean hardy to upgrade from gutsy
[00:26] <psyco> anyone know where I get kde4-window-decorator?
[00:27] <ubuntu_> i guess nobody knows
[00:27] <cuznt> !nvidia
[00:28] <psyco> what is the program that auto installs .deb s ?
[00:30] <psyco> !compiz
[00:32] <mot_> question...my gtk apps look really bulky/ugly (huge fonts) on kde 4.1
[00:32] <Nikke> Is it just me or is the panel in kde 4.1 very buggy?
[00:32] <mot_> there's usually a kde 3.5.9 package that i install that has a bunch of fonts and whatnot that seems to rectify things
[00:32] <mot_> anybody know what i'm talking about?
[00:33] <Nikke> mot_, you have to set that gtk apps will use qt look
[00:33] <jtechidna> mot_: msttcorefonts?
[00:33] <mot_> yea i just installed kde 4.1 via ubuntu 8.10rc so i didn't have the gtk-qt-engine
[00:33] <mot_> jtechidna, it may be msttcf buuuuut there's usually some random kde 3.5.x package
[00:34] <mot_> let me get the theme engine and those fonts and we'll see what happens
[00:34] <snails> hi
[00:34] <Nikke> anyway, my panel is very buggy, the icons for xchat, kopete and such are dissparing and the panel gets all black sometimes
[00:34] <mot_> are there gonna be any kde 4.1 improvements from 8.10rc to final?
[00:34] <snails> are there any first person shooters for linux with a world war 2 theme?
[00:34] <snails> or is UT2004 the only game for linux?
[00:35] <Nikke> snails, urban terror :)
[00:35] <cuznt> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a Driver line.
[00:35] <Nikke> snails, dont know about ww2
[00:37] <alonea> how do I get compiz to load on start? I have to load the compiz fusion icon and reload window manager when I start.
[00:38] <jay__> how do I get Kubuntu 8.06 to automatically start my wireless on bootup?
[00:39] <jay__> I currently use 'wireless assistant' manually each time to start.
[00:39] <psyco> anyone know where to get kde4-window-decorator?
[00:43] <shadowhywind> psyco from the repo's?
[00:43] <shadowhywind> any ideas on how to fix key shortcuts?
[00:43] <psyco> sh
[00:43] <psyco> shadowhywind: I cant seem to find it, its part of compiz
[00:44] <AL3X^^> (maniatic) 1:43 AM | 30 Octuber. Need K8.10 now !!! xD(!) Where is it ???  (/maniatic)   jajaja
[00:45] <cuznt> my screen resolution is too small help me please
[00:47] <dr_willis> cuznt,  tell the channel the kind of video card, monitor type/connection, and if you have installed the proper video card drivers yet.
[00:47] <psyco> what is the best way to run an /rmp
[00:47] <psyco> .rpm*
[00:47] <dr_willis> !rpm
[00:47] <dr_willis> best is to NOT use the rpm and find a .deb
[00:48] <psyco> so I just read XD
[00:49] <AL3X^^> just use apt-get install
[00:49] <AL3X^^> it should do what you want
[00:49] <AL3X^^> what are you trying to install ?
[00:49] <shadowhywind> global shortcuts don't seam to work, any ideas?
[00:50] <wayneward> its says intrepid launch for gnome is the 30th of oct is it the same for kubuntu?
[00:50] <AL3X^^> keyboard driver prob?
[00:50] <AL3X^^> @wayneward: yes
[00:50] <shadowhywind> i thought i saw something about it being broken in intrepid
[00:51] <jtechidna> global shortcuts are... very iffy at best
[00:51] <wayneward> wicked
[00:51] <AL3X^^> @shadowhywind: global shorcuts of what app?
[00:51] <jtechidna> stuff like alt+f2, crtl+esc works but printscr doesn't work, for example
[00:51] <Wicked> wayneward
[00:51] <wayneward> i just installed the beta :-( did nt realise it would be out so soon!
[00:52] <AL3X^^> @jtechidna: just configure properly your keyboard. works fine for me =)
[00:52] <shadowhywind> AL3X^^: for everything, for desktop effects/compiz for calling scripts from keyboar shortcuts, etc
[00:52] <dr_willis> final is due out tomorrow. :)
[00:52] <ardchoille> wayneward: as long as you keep the system up to date, you'll have the same thing as the release
[00:52] <AL3X^^> @wayneward: there is already an RC
[00:52] <wayneward> thats brill
[00:52] <wayneward> ah right so just update and i have it!
[00:52] <wayneward> thats even better!
[00:53] <AL3X^^> @wayneward: yes, just wait 48 hours and do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ;)
[00:53] <AL3X^^> @shadowhywind: try going to contol center, and change keyboard type. (play with config)
[00:53] <wayneward> im on the RC version ill do that save all the reinstall hassle
[00:54] <ardchoille> wayneward: I do that nightly anyway
[00:54] <wayneward> not a bad idea
[00:54] <wayneward> ill do that
[00:55] <AL3X^^> @ardchoille: You're doing an "dist-upgrade" every night :S ?  why not just "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" ?
[00:55] <ardchoille> well, I have this in ~/.bash_aliases:  alias updateall='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade
[00:55] <cuznt> now my max screen resolution can only be 640 x 480 50 hz
[00:56] <AL3X^^> @ardchoille: Nice ^^
[00:56] <cuznt> is there anyone who can help me with that?
[00:56] <AL3X^^> @cuznt: What G. Card do you have? (ATI or NVidia) ?
[00:56] <cuznt> nvidia
[00:56] <cuznt> i did
[00:56] <cuznt> !nvidia
[00:56] <ardchoille> !nvidia | cuznt
[00:56] <cuznt> i just did that
[00:56] <cuznt> and it made it smaller
[00:57] <AL3X^^> @cuznt: Just install envy ;) and it will do it all for you.
[00:57] <cuznt> it was 800 x 600
[00:57] <dr_willis> did you reboot? are you using dvi/vga connection?  are you using a KVM switch?
[00:57] <ardchoille> cuznt: Can I Pm you?
[00:57] <cuznt> vga conn i believe
[00:57] <cuznt> i did reboot
[00:57] <AL3X^^> @cuznt: Just do it the "envy" way.
[00:57] <cuznt> i tried recovery x server
[00:57] <dr_willis> did you install/run the nvidia-settings tool with 'sudo nvidia-settings' and try setting the res?
[00:58] <cuznt> i am not sure dr
[00:58] <ardchoille> !envy
[00:58] <cuznt> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[00:58] <dr_willis> dont mess with envy untill everything else fails
[00:58] <cuznt> is what i did
[00:58] <dr_willis> and its nvidia-settings, not nvidia-xconfig for the gui
[00:59] <dr_willis> NO X = gui tool..  :) with a X = console tool.. figure that out..
[00:59] <AL3X^^> @rd_wills: Why not? Envy is way more easy that editing conf manually.
[00:59] <dr_willis> envy is not supported.. and never has been.. its best to avoide using it IF the normal methods work
[00:59] <dr_willis> If it works good for you.. if it blows up your pc.. well.. too bad.
[00:59] <dr_willis> :)
[01:00] <AL3X^^> it had worked nice for me every time I needed it.
[01:00] <dr_willis> and its envyng normally these days.. not nv.
[01:00] <cuznt> it does not let me go above 640 x 480
[01:00] <dr_willis> count yourself lucky
[01:00] <AL3X^^> =)
[01:00] <dr_willis> cuznt,  are you using a KVM switch? CRT monitor? LCD monitor?
[01:01] <ardchoille> !worksforme
[01:01] <cuznt> crt i would guess
[01:01] <cuznt> a dell tv like monitor
[01:01] <dr_willis> guess? YOu cant tell?
[01:01] <dr_willis> is it a flat panel? or a big TUBE like thing?
[01:01] <ardchoille> CRT
[01:01] <cuznt> i dont know what a kvm switch is
[01:01] <cuznt> not an lcd for sure
[01:02] <dr_willis> LCD+DVI makes X a lot smarter about knowing what res's to use.
[01:02] <cuznt> so i would say crt
[01:02] <dr_willis> check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to see what 'Driver' you are using.. there should be a  line like ------>  " Driver 'nvidia' " in it.
[01:03] <dr_willis> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:03] <dr_willis>      --> should show at least one line with 'nvidia' in it.. not 'nv'
[01:03] <cuznt> yes
[01:04] <cuznt>     Driver         "kbd" Driver         "mouse Driver         "nvidia"
[01:04] <dr_willis> So it does seem to be using the nvidia driver.. thats good. Its very likely you just need to tell it the modes to use.
[01:04] <dr_willis> what release of ubuntu are you using anyway?
[01:04] <cuznt> latest
[01:04] <cuznt> plus kde 4.1
[01:04] <dr_willis> Well given that a new releae is out tomorrow.. 'latest' is vague
[01:04] <dr_willis> :)
[01:05] <AL3X^^> jajaja
[01:05]  * cuznt is vauge
[01:05] <dr_willis> lsb_release  -a
[01:05] <dr_willis> shows the exact info
[01:05] <wayneward> just nothiced the debian version is lenny/sid  would have thought it would had been the ubuntu version?!
[01:06] <cuznt> 8.4
[01:06] <cuznt> 8.04.1
[01:07] <dr_willis> cuznt,  you should proberly backup your xorg.conf just in case with ------>     sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old_working_copy
[01:07] <dr_willis> then you can try tweaking the xorg.conf manually
[01:07] <dr_willis> You may want to pastebin your current xorg.conf also so others can look at it..
[01:07] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinig
[01:07] <dr_willis> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[01:07] <dr_willis> pastebinit  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:07] <cuznt> E: Couldn't find package pastebinig
[01:08] <dr_willis> pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:08] <dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/f201de288
[01:08] <dr_willis> Thats My working xorg.conf  for my nvidia system. :) for an example.
[01:08] <cuznt> ^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[B^[[BThe following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:08] <cuznt>   pastebinit
[01:09] <cuznt> now i got that
[01:14] <cuznt> crap
[01:15] <cuznt> !screen resolution
[01:15] <cuznt> i do though
[01:15] <cuznt> !botsnack
[01:16] <izzyb_> lol
[01:16] <rcb> hello
[01:17] <wayneward> how do you configure pastebininit ive ent a test but nothing happens
[01:17] <dwidmann> !resolution | cuznt
[01:19] <dwidmann> Hmm, I've never used pastebininit before ... but this script works very well - http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/11729
[01:19] <dr_willis> pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:20] <dr_willis> works for me. :)
[01:20] <dr_willis> somecommand | pastebinit
[01:20] <dr_willis> works also
[01:20] <cuznt> http://pastebin.com/f7be2b3df
[01:20] <cuznt> thats mine
[01:23] <wayneward> it doent give me a url? and i cant see my post  on pastebin
[01:23] <dr_willis> it should give a url.
[01:24] <kabotage> ummm whats this? > bash: 0-ito-ang-kde4: command not found
[01:24] <wayneward> ah it does on the 64bit box just doesnt on the x86 on the asus 701?!
[01:24] <cuznt> and what do i do with it now?
[01:25] <cuznt> how can i use it to fix my screen resolution
[01:25] <cuznt> cause 640 x 480 kind of more than sux
[01:25] <dr_willis> You proberly need to put in a proper 'modes' line - so the system knows what monitor modes you can support
[01:25] <wayneward> works on my main machine so that will do it give me the url on this laptop it just give me the patebim.com url
[01:25] <dr_willis> see example of such lines at   http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Administration/Q_22691344.html  cuznt
[01:26] <dr_willis> under the 'Depth 24' line in your xorg.conf you proverly want a line similer to...
[01:26] <dr_willis> Modes           "1280x1024"      "1024x768"      "800x600"      "720x400"      "640x480"
[01:27] <cuznt> no idea what you are splainin
[01:27] <dr_willis> You need to add a new line to your xorg.conf
[01:28] <dr_willis> here is a correxcted xorg.conf
[01:28] <dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/m4f1fa647
[01:28] <dr_willis> grab the   http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m4f1fa647   and replace your xorg.conf with that one.. and try restarting X
[01:29] <legodude> hi everyone, quick question, if I am running 8.10 beta, will simply running upgrade in adept get me to 8.10 RC?
[01:29] <wayneward> yip
[01:29] <jtechidna> legodude: at this point you'd pretty much get final if you upgraded through adept
[01:29] <legodude> thanks
[01:30] <wayneward> like we said b4
[01:30] <wayneward> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:32] <legodude> is there a general "quick guide to 8.10" somewhere?
[01:32] <legodude> I'm pretty familiar with linux generally
[01:32] <legodude> but not at all with KDE 4
[01:32] <dr_willis> kde4 is a work in progress... explore it. :)
[01:32] <legodude> and not with the ubuntu "way"
[01:32] <cuznt> i can not edit it as root
[01:32] <dr_willis> !training
[01:32] <dr_willis> :)
[01:32] <dr_willis> cuznt,  sudo nano /path/to/file
[01:32] <wayneward> just install it in a virtualbox if you dont want to take the plunge!!
[01:33] <jtechidna> or just use the livecd? :P
[01:33] <legodude> no, it's not that
[01:33] <legodude> I just feel that there are probably a lot of neat features that I am missing
[01:33] <wayneward> erm i thought that
[01:34] <cuznt> ok then what
[01:34] <legodude> I've been using it and submitting bug reports and whatnot
[01:34] <wayneward> ive gained blogging from kontact to my wordpress blog - mosiac display - desktop effects - folder encryption
[01:34] <wayneward> loads of ace new features
[01:34] <wayneward> thast just a few!
[01:34] <legodude> stuff like that
[01:34] <legodude> I don't know that it exists
[01:34] <legodude> or where to find out about it
[01:35] <wayneward> desktop wigdtes with mac desktop widget support
[01:35] <wayneward> on my asus 701 laptop i gained sleep to disk power scaling cpu support!!
[01:36] <wayneward> ive gained so much!! im happy!!
[01:36] <wayneward> my game performance has accelerated as well which i dodnt expect!
[01:36] <ardchoille> wayneward: If you want to gain more, look into writing your own bash scripts and kommander scripts. These two things can be of great help
[01:37] <cuznt> how do i edit ect/x11/xorg.conf as root
[01:37] <dr_willis> cuznt,  sudo nano /path/to/file
[01:37] <wayneward> yes im going to start looking into this after i get xmas out of the way
[01:37] <dr_willis> cuznt,  and CASE IS IMPORTANT
[01:37] <cuznt> what does that do?
[01:37] <wayneward> i was looking at kommander today
[01:37] <dr_willis> cuznt,  it edits xorg.conf as root.. just like you asked...
[01:37] <cuznt> how
[01:37] <dr_willis> and its  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:38] <cuznt> it brings me to a blank screen
[01:38] <dr_willis> how what? It runs the editor as root..
[01:38] <dr_willis> USE the proper path/name..
[01:38] <dr_willis> x11 is not X11
[01:38] <dr_willis> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:39] <cuznt> nand that brings me to a new file
[01:39] <cuznt> paste and exit?
[01:40] <dr_willis> you should have an existing xorg.conf file in   /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:40] <cuznt> yes
[01:40] <dr_willis> edit it similer to the example xorg.conf i gave the url for earlier.. OR just download that xorg.conf i gave earlier and copy it to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:40] <cuznt> but when i sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf where is it then>
[01:40] <cuznt> ??
[01:40] <dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/m4f1fa647
[01:40] <cuznt> its not in the terminal
[01:41] <cuznt> lets go back
[01:41] <dr_willis> then you got somthing very weird going on..
[01:41] <cuznt> i am on sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:41] <cuznt> ^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos
[01:41] <cuznt> ^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where Is  ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Text^T To Spell
[01:41] <cuznt> that shows on the screen bottom on my terminal
[01:41] <cuznt> period
[01:41] <dr_willis> if you are getting a blank file with that command then either you did a typo.. or some how moved the xorg.conf/removed it
[01:42] <cuznt> http://pastebin.com/m4f1fa647
[01:42] <dr_willis> download the one i pasted and just copy it to  /etc/X11/xorg.conf is the easy way
[01:42] <dr_willis> all i did was add 1 line.. and commented out another.. (and added a comment)
[01:42] <cuznt> http://pastebin.com/f7be2b3df is mine
[01:43] <cuznt> i am trying to paste it in the file
[01:43] <cuznt> \but i can not write it with out being root
[01:43] <dr_willis> thats what 'sudo nano' does
[01:43] <dr_willis> or use  some other editor..
[01:43] <cuznt> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[01:44] <cuznt> what does it do?
[01:44] <ardchoille> it's X11 not x11
[01:44] <dr_willis> or use the download link at the that URL i gave and just copy.xave it
[01:44] <cuznt> does the file come up in the terminal
[01:44] <cuznt> ???
[01:44] <dr_willis> try 'cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf' see if that shows the xorg.conf file
[01:45] <cuznt>  http://pastebin.com/f7be2b3df is mine
[01:45] <cuznt> that IS my file
[01:45] <cuznt> i can pull it up
[01:45] <cuznt> i can read it
[01:45] <cuznt> i cant do anything to it
[01:45] <dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/m4f1fa647   is Mine..
[01:45] <cuznt> do i sudo nano in a terminal?
[01:45] <dr_willis> that i edited for you.
[01:45] <cuznt> i got your mans
[01:45] <dr_willis> Yes you do sudo nano in a terminal
[01:45] <cuznt> i got yours
[01:46] <cuznt> when i do it in a terminal i got no file to edit
[01:46] <dr_willis> use the download link at the top.. save it to a file  called xorg.conf.from.irc
[01:46] <tbr281> what app can i use to make video cd's from .bin files besides k3b?
[01:46] <dr_willis> you are doing a typo in the path/filename  i imagine then cuznt
[01:46] <dr_willis> save mine to  xorg.conf.from.irc , then 'sudo cp  xorg.conf.from.irc   /etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[01:47] <dr_willis> then restart X.
[01:47] <ardchoille> cuznt: are you doing an uppercase "X"?
[01:47] <dr_willis> I gotta go to work.. good luck.
[01:47] <cuznt> i cut and pasted your command
[01:48] <dr_willis> oh yea.. learn about the TAB key.. :) for name completion also
[01:48] <dr_willis> !tab
[01:48] <cuznt> i cut and pasted your commad into a terminal
[01:59] <xp-killer> how do i install compiz?and use it? i tink i went in adept and type compiz i see it install already so im confuse
[02:01] <jtechidna> !compiz
[02:01] <xp-killer> !compiz
[02:01] <tbr281> what can i use to burn video cd's from bin files?
[02:01] <tbr281> beside k3b
[02:02] <kabotage> which command to use on checking out kde version on terminal?
[02:05] <cuznt> oh maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
[02:05] <cuznt> i am just as bad or worse off than before
[02:06] <cuznt> 1nvidia
[02:06] <cuznt> !nvidia
[02:09] <qiming> WERTWER
[02:09] <qiming> 大家好，
[02:13] <draik> When I run an app, it seems to be using 100% of CPU. It is a 3.2GHz Intel P4. Anyone know why it would do this? (Opera and kTorrent for now)
[02:13] <draik> HTOP confirmed the 100% CPU usage
[02:16] <draik> Opera was just "frozen" and using 100% of my CPU.
[02:17] <ardchoille> draik: is that usual for your opera or is it hanging on a certain page?
[02:18] <draik> It happens from time to time on various pages
[02:18] <draik> I cannot pinpoint it
[02:18] <ardchoille> plugin problem perhaps?
[02:18] <ardchoille> draik: Have you posted the problem to http://ubuntuforums.org ? Maybe others have found a fix
[02:19] <draik> ardchoille: No plugins.
[02:19] <ardchoille> good man ;)
[02:19] <draik> The other thing is that I wonder if maybe this is the cause why I cannot use Firefox 3. I just decided to use HTOP to check on it and there it was... 100%
[02:19] <xp-killer> ardchoille: how do i enable compiz to use it?in adept it look like it allready install
[02:20] <draik> The thing is that I only have 1 CPU, yet it shows me as having 2.
[02:20] <ardchoille> xp-killer: I don't use compiz
[02:20] <ardchoille> !compiz | xp-killer
[02:21] <legodude> what is the command to search for a file across all packages?
[02:21] <ardchoille> apt-cache search
[02:21] <ardchoille> or, if you're looking for a name; apt-cache search --names-only
[02:21] <genii> legodude: You mean a file contained within a package, or the packagenames themselves?
[02:21] <legodude> both really
[02:21] <legodude> will apt-cache do all packages, or installed only?
[02:22] <ardchoille> all
[02:22] <legodude> thanks
[02:22] <ardchoille> but if you're looking for a file in a package that isn't installed, you might want to install and use apt-feil
[02:22] <ardchoille> *apt-file
[02:23] <ardchoille> legodude: do you use ~/.bash_aliases ?
[02:23] <legodude> is there anyway to change alt-tab behavior so that shift is not needed to reverse direction
[02:23] <legodude> ardchoille: nope
[02:24] <legodude> well
[02:24] <legodude> sometimes
[02:24] <ardchoille> legodude:  alias namesearch='apt-cache search --names-only'
[02:24] <ardchoille> then just use namesearch package-name-here
[02:24] <legodude> yeah
[02:24] <legodude> I usually stick them in my .profile
[02:25] <ardchoille> that works
[02:25] <legodude> hrm
[02:25] <legodude> I think though I had a better way of doing this a while ago
[02:25] <legodude> I thought I downloaded some program
[02:26] <legodude> I don't remember having to update apt-file before
[02:27] <ardchoille> legodude: http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Linux/PkgMgr
[02:32] <jibs> hi
[02:36] <draik> ardchoille: Would you know why HTOP shows me as having 2 CPUs when I, in fact, only have 1 CPU.
[02:36] <legodude> are you sure about that?
[02:36] <legodude> what cpu do you have?
[02:36] <genii> Possibly hyperthreading CPU
[02:36] <legodude> yeah
[02:37] <legodude> do a cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:37] <Nikke> Someone who can tell me why xchat icon isn transparant in kde but in gnome? :)
[02:38] <ardchoille> draik: I'm afraid I'm not that knowledgable about htop
[02:38] <genii> Nikke: Because it's a GTK application
[02:38] <ardchoille> yeah, GTK
[02:38] <draik> ardchoille: Not a problem. Thank you.
[02:38] <Nikke> genii, ok i quess i have to make a own transparant icon then?
[02:39] <genii> Nikke: Probably :)
[02:39] <Nikke> genii, hehe okey
[02:39] <ardchoille> Nikke: Never turn down a chance to play in gimp :)
[02:40] <Nikke> ardchoille, sorry for make you sad now but im probably gonna do it in photoshop on my school laptop :)
[02:40] <Nikke> hehe
[02:40] <ardchoille> hehe
[02:40] <Nikke> anyway, my second question.. is it just me or is the panel in new kubuntu kde 4.1 panel very unstable?
[02:41] <Nikke> the tray icons changes background and sometimes the whole panel just dies
[02:41] <wayneward> ive noticed graphic corruption on the panel and the kick off menu is to big for my asus 701 :-(
[02:43] <legodude> is there any way to remove the transparency from the panel?
[02:43] <wayneward> well it was small on 8.4 when i upgreded to 8.4.1 the kick of menu went to big and i lost my log on notification
[02:43] <wayneward> well i get a notification but its all broke up?
[02:43] <wayneward> the sound
[02:44] <wayneward> ive only just started testing so not posted because its release 2morro
[02:44] <wayneward> ill test after upgrade and post all my bugs in one go
[02:49] <mot_> does kde 4.1 in 8.10rc run/render/draw "slow" for anyone?
[02:50] <mot_> my apps, my windows, minimizing/maximizing just seems to draw pretty slowly. i'm on a brand new laptop with a 512mb nvidia 9600m gt
[02:52] <wayneward> im thinking of upgrading my asus to 1gig of ram to run kde 4
[02:52] <wayneward> its a bit slugigsh
[02:52] <wayneward> sluggish sorry
[02:52] <genii> wayneward: Can't hurt
[02:52] <wayneward> yes i think it will be great then!
[02:53] <wayneward> have you tried disabling desktop effects
[02:53] <wayneward> i have a nvidia 256meg 6600 and its fine with the latest nvidia driver smooth as a baby
[02:54] <genii> wayneward: cpu is 6600 or video?
[02:54] <Nikke> i disabled desktop effects and now it runs great
[02:54] <wayneward> my nvidia is 6600 and the chip is a amd 3000+
[02:55] <wayneward> are you using the nv driver or nvidia driver?
[02:58] <mot_> Nikke, how do you disable desktop effects then?
[03:10] <wayneward> im having this strange problem in kde4 after a while my machine starts slowing and i can see disk activity its like a loop i sometimes have ctrl alt del to kill the X server anyone else have this problem..
[03:10] <wayneward> could do with a fix for it!!
[03:11] <bobbo85> I have two dvds here from blockbuster, and neither of them will play in VLC or Mplayer
[03:11] <DaSkreech> !dvd
[03:11] <genii> wayneward: Likely your swap partition is being used a lot due to lack of ram
[03:11]  * DaSkreech hands scary coffee to genii
[03:12] <wayneward> should i turn of swap or just add more ram
[03:12] <genii> DaSkreech: Yay, coffee!
[03:12] <genii> wayneward: Turning off swap will likely worsen it
[03:12] <DaSkreech> wayneward: add more ram add more swap
[03:12] <bobbo85> I have the restricted extras package, and watched a dvd successfully before... just wierd that two separate DVDs wont play now, and even dolphin recognizes their titles and files
[03:12] <genii> wayneward: So that leaves more ram, then enlarge the swap partition as well
[03:13] <wayneward> ill just add a gig of ram im not meant to have swap on the asus as its solid state disk
[03:14] <genii> Ah. Yes, good plan in that regard then.
[03:14] <wayneward> i think a gig will be enough
[03:14] <bobbo85> Is there a difference between ubuntu extras and kubuntu extras?
[03:15] <wayneward> its been fine with 512 ram till i upgraded !
[03:15] <jack__> Hi.
[03:15] <wayneward> firefox chews loads of ram!   and konqueror just keeps crashin so im in a pickle!!  ha ha
[03:15] <draik> How do I install from source? The instructions say "just type make". I did and I get errors. I'm trying to install PS3. Here is the link to the site/download:   http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Monitoring/ps3-6090.shtml
[03:16] <jack__> Are there any themes available for KDE out of the box, like Blubuntu for Ubuntu?
[03:16] <dwidmann> wayneward: opera?
[03:16] <draik> wayneward: I'm "forced" to use opera
[03:16] <wayneward> yes i may try that now
[03:16] <wayneward> can i get that through apt?  why are you forced to use opera
[03:16] <draik> wayneward: It takes up to 2-3 minutes to load and then it's about 5 seconds of usage before it freezes for about 1-2 minutes... rinse and repeat.
[03:16] <dwidmann> wayneward: no, you get it from their website
[03:17] <wayneward> ah ill take a look many thanks i tried renicing firefox which works
[03:17] <wayneward> i may create a launcher that just renices it
[03:18] <draik> !source
[03:18] <genii> wayneward: If it's firefox, might be pages with flash content. I have this issue occasionally
[03:18] <wayneward> ah yes thats a good point
[03:19] <DaSkreech> jack__: Huh?
[03:19] <wayneward> ill remove the plugin from konquorer and test again
[03:19] <wayneward> cheers
[03:19] <draik> I wish it was that easy for my Firefox issue. Google.com doesn't have anything major that would cause issues. I click on the address bar and then I can get a letter or two for the site address before it freezes on me.
[03:20] <jack__> DaSkreech: I'm using the default Crystal/QtCurve theme right now. What kind of themes would I download to replace Crystal/QtCurve.
[03:20] <DaSkreech> jack__: KDE3 ?
[03:20] <draik> How do I install from source? The instructions say "just type make". http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Monitoring/ps3-6090.shtml
[03:20] <jack__> Yes.
[03:20] <jack__> Installed just yesterday.
[03:20] <genii> draik: The url entry bar of firefox, or the text entry field of google ?
[03:20] <bobbo85> What's this?  libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable.
[03:20] <draik> genii: address bar
[03:21] <wayneward> go to medibuntu
[03:21] <wayneward> add the repos and install libdvdcss2
[03:21] <wayneward> to fix
[03:21] <draik> !medibuntu | bobbo85
[03:21] <genii> draik: This hapens when you have like 10,000 urls you have typed in previously. It wants to try dynamically listing the matches letter by letter as you type them in
[03:21] <DaSkreech> jack__: kde-look.org
[03:22] <jack__> Yeah I'm there. But which section? Themes/Styles -> KDE 3.2 - 3.5
[03:22] <wayneward> okee sleep time good bye my friends
[03:22] <DaSkreech> jack__: sounds good
[03:22] <genii> draik: I occasionally use the Tools...Clear Private Data feature to clear it all out
[03:23] <draik> genii: It's a new install. No addresses coming up. It's all cleared at the end of FF sessions. Trying "bash.org" or even "youtube.com" would let me put 2 letters in before the freeze.
[03:23] <jack__> Like, I like the QtCurve theme on the second page.
[03:23] <jack__> I'm downloading the .tar.bz2 right now.
[03:23] <draik> I was viewing HTOP and it drops CPU to 0.0%
[03:23] <jack__> Now is it easy to install themes like Ubuntu where I can drag them?
[03:23] <jack__> Or is there a different way?
[03:23] <genii> draik: Hmm. I haven't seen that behaviour before
[03:24] <DaSkreech> jack__: It's harder than Ubuntu unfortunately
[03:24] <jack__> Boo. I'm reading the "README" in the archive.
[03:24] <jack__> The directions kind of...suck.
[03:24] <draik> genii: Seems that nobody else has either. I've reported the bug and nothing.
[03:25] <bobbo85> thanks draik, which medibuntu repository should i add if i'm using kubuntu kde4?
[03:25] <l3d>   whats better then kompozer
[03:26] <draik> bobbo85: I don't think it matters. Honestly, I'd go with what seems compatible for your setup (32- or 64-bit system)
[03:26] <genii> draik: Do you have some extension like URL Entry Helper    ?
[03:26] <draik> genii: Nope. No extensions
[03:27] <draik> How do I install OpenGL and SDL 1.2.5 or newer?
[03:27] <draik> Seems that I may be missing these
[03:27] <bobbo85> how do i find out what version of kubuntu i'm using?  like 8.10 ibex etc
[03:27] <draik> bobbo85: "lsb_release -a"
[03:29] <DaskreecH> pyro_17: hello
[03:29] <DaskreecH> you were asking about Typing programs?
[03:31] <DaskreecH> try TuxType
[03:31] <draik> I think my real question is, How do I know if I've got OpenGL and SDL 1.2.5 or newer?
[03:33]  * Danu is back.
[03:34] <bobbo85> thanks again draik
[03:34] <draik> bobbo85: Not a problem.
[03:35] <genii> /j #ubuntu-release-party
[03:35] <genii> bah too many /
[03:35] <draik> LOL
[03:35] <genii> draik: Bit nuts in there
[03:35]  * draik knows where genii is going to be right now...
[03:38] <Nikke> Hey someone with kde 4.1 and 22" who can print the font settings for me? i tried to set to to default but the font is.. hmmf very ugly :P
[03:38] <Nikke> i restarted x but nothing happens
[03:38] <Nikke> happends
[03:59] <Nikke> my fonts in kubuntu are messed up, i tried to use the default button and restarted x. Bu the font is still messy :(
[04:00] <genii> Nikke: Did you ask in #kubuntu-kde4    yet?
[04:00] <Nikke> genii, nope but i will now
[04:02] <Nikke> * #kubuntu-kde4 #kubuntu :Forwarding to another channel
[04:02] <Nikke> :S
[04:03] <ardchoille> yeah, it's close enough to the release
[04:03] <ardchoille> we were told they'd merge soon
[04:03] <genii> ardchoille: Some warning woulda been nice .....
[04:03] <genii> Nikke: Apologies, did not know they merged already
[04:03] <Nikke> genii, =)
[04:04] <Nikke> is it stable version of kde in 8.10?
[04:04] <ardchoille> depends on who you ask :)
[04:04] <Nikke> it feels very unstable for me :P
[04:04] <Nikke> i had to disable all effects, but thats because my gfx card sucks
[04:05] <Nikke> but it feels very unstable.. plasma crashes from time to time
[04:06] <Nikke> it has crasched several times just in a couple of hours
[04:09] <powertool08> anyone know if mpd can play locally and stream at the same time?
[04:09] <bibstha> Nikke: which gfx cad?
[04:10] <nekostar> wth
[04:10] <nekostar> so what kubuntu is now officially kde4?
[04:10] <bibstha> nekostar: yeah
[04:11] <genii> Yup
[04:11] <nekostar> kk
[04:11] <bibstha> :-) thats a good thing i guess, its really nice
[04:11] <nekostar> how's k4intrepid
[04:11] <nekostar> i ask because i'm tired of gnome's depreciations
[04:11] <nekostar> its fine if you wanna make the interface simple
[04:11] <nekostar> as long as you dont depreciate my ability to do what i would like.
[04:12] <Nikke> bibstha, 315783
[04:12] <Nikke>
[04:12] <Nikke> XFX GeForce 6200A 256MB :P
[04:12] <Nikke> oups sorry
[04:13] <Nikke> powertool08, shouldnt be any problem i think
[04:13] <nickwinl> i luv it.. Does anyone know how it is that screen resolutions aren't being saved on-the-fly under x86, e.g. you have to go to System Settings -> C.A. -> Display to revert the prior saved res?
[04:14] <nickwinl> i'm launchpadding it, now
[04:16] <genii> Some of the launchpad and forums may be down due to server overload as people keep trying to get Intrepid
[04:18] <nickwinl> L.P. search is working, now
[04:18] <Nikke> bibstha, why do you ask?
[04:19] <bibstha> Nikke: coz u said it isn't stable
[04:19] <Nikke> bibstha, ah okey ;)
[04:19] <bibstha> Nikke: probably sth wrong with drivers,
[04:19] <Nikke> sth?
[04:20] <bibstha> something*
[04:20] <Nikke> ah
[04:20] <bibstha> wrong with nvidia drivers
[04:20] <bibstha> do you guys have release party? at ur place?
[04:20] <Nikke> witch drivers should i use
[04:20] <Nikke> hmm we had it when 8.04 came
[04:21] <bibstha> same here, its al festival season and everyone's bg so no release party imo
[04:21] <powertool08> Nikke: do you know how to do it? When I set up streaming I lost the local audio
[04:22] <Nikke> powertool08, im afraid not
[04:22] <nickwinl> does anyone know of a modern GUI or CLI equivalent to displayconfig? Might answer Nikke's question at the same time, too.
[04:25] <negercer> hi
[04:26] <negercer> anyone know, when is the realease of kubuntu 8.10?
[04:26] <Nikke> negercer, soon
[04:26] <Nikke> we hope :)
[04:28] <negercer> ok
[04:30] <negercer> where can find advances documentation about Latex?
[04:31] <genii> !info kxgenerator | nickwinl
[04:31]  * genii sips his coffee
[04:39] <mot_> when is 8.10 final hitting the repos?
[04:39] <bibstha> mot_: #ubuntu-release-party
[04:40] <mot_> i just bought a brand new laptop and decided i didn't like kde 4.1.2 (laggy, draws too slow - even with proprietary drivers)
[04:40] <mot_> however, i need 2.6.26+ (8.04 stops at 2.6.24) for wifi support =\
[04:40] <mot_> is it just me, or does kde 4.1.2 crash a lot, not retain settings, and render/draw windows slowly?
[04:41] <mot_> i'm on a brand new laptop (512mb nvidia 9600m gt)
[04:41] <bibstha> mot_: its fine in mine,
[04:41] <Techlari> hello, I'm kinda new to ubuntu, on live cd now, tried to install on hard drives but I get Err5, I checked if the cd was error free and it was, tried on both harddrives, it stops loading at 24%.
[04:41] <bibstha> mot_: poblems with nvidia gfx cards
[04:41] <bibstha> drivers?
[04:42] <mot_> bibstha, i'm using the proprietary 177 drivers from jockey-kde
[04:42] <mot_> *shrugs*
[04:42] <mot_> things actually render better
[04:42] <mot_> before i install those drivers, but the colors are a tiny bit off if i don't
[04:43] <mot_> are there other nvidia drivers i can install besides the proprietary ones?
[04:43] <ironman> hi
[04:43] <Techlari> hi
[04:44] <ironman> hi how can i get permission to open a device?? have problems with a printer that genrates an error mss
[04:45] <Techlari> so anyone know what's wrong if one get Err5 when trying to install Ubuntu?
[04:45] <ironman> unable to open device "hal:////........." permission denied
[04:45] <ironman> no this problem is when try to print
[04:46] <Techlari> I'm not an admin or helper
[04:46] <ironman> this mssg is generated by the spooler
[04:46] <ironman> ah ok no problem
[04:47] <ironman> is anybody alive here but Techlari?
[04:47] <Techlari> there was 2 a min ago lol
[04:48] <ironman> lol bad luck
[04:48] <genii> ironman: http://www.plasticboy.de/2008/06/01/unable-to-open-device-halorgfreedesktophaldevicesusb_device_-permission-denied/
[04:48] <genii> I'm alive. Somewhat.
[04:48] <Techlari> good luck :)
[04:48] <Techlari> can you help me as well maybe?
[04:48] <bibstha> does ibex have a graphical adsl/dsl connection manager?
[04:49] <ironman> tks geni
[04:49] <mot_> once i install envyng-core what command starts it?
[04:49] <genii> ironman: You're welcome
[04:50] <bibstha> mot_: dpkg -L envyng-core | grep bin
[04:50] <mot_> ahh i did -l not -L
[04:50] <mot_> thanks
[04:50] <Techlari> it's the first time I'm trying to install Ubuntu and I don't get it to work
[04:50] <bibstha> Techlari: it should work on itself
[04:51] <Techlari> well I get an error
[04:51] <bibstha> what kind of?
[04:51] <Techlari> and install stop at 24%, the error say it's a harddisk, or cd/dvd problem or cd is corrupt
[04:51] <Techlari> I did the cd error check and it was fine
[04:52] <Techlari> but 1 of the harddisks have windows on it maybe, the other harddisk was supposed to be unformatted
[04:52] <genii> mot_: See paragraph beginning " 4)" here http://albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A
[04:52] <Techlari> I tried installing on both harddisks but it was same problem on both attempts
[04:52] <bibstha> Techlari: hardy or intrepid?
[04:53] <Techlari> what's those? hehe
[04:53] <bibstha> i mean which version of ubuntu?
[04:53] <bibstha> 8.04 or 8.10?
[04:54] <Techlari> where can I check it? I forgot and the cd is unlabeled
[04:55] <HUYDQ> help me!
[04:55] <HUYDQ> i upgrade to Kubuntu 8.10
[04:55] <Techlari> I found version 2.22.2 Gnome Desktop *but not version of Ubuntu*
[04:55] <HUYDQ> but successful
[04:56] <HUYDQ> not successful
[04:56] <HUYDQ> Can you help me to do a command
[04:57] <HUYDQ> have you live cd 8.10
[04:57] <genii> HUYDQ: The servers are currently overloaded. Try again later.
[04:57] <HUYDQ> ??
[04:57] <HUYDQ> ok
[04:57] <HUYDQ> thanks
[04:57] <Techlari> Where can I find what Ubuntu version the Live CD is from the CD desktop thingy? Sorry HUYDQ, I don't know
[04:57] <genii> Techlari: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:58] <Techlari> if I find my way lol
[04:58] <bibstha> lsb_release -a
[04:58] <HUYDQ> Ok
[04:58] <HUYDQ> It is RC
[04:58] <HUYDQ> For server , not desktop
[04:58] <Techlari> I
[04:58] <genii> Techlari: Alternately:   lsb_release -v
[04:58] <Techlari> I'm using the CD right now with Ubuntu on it
[04:58] <bibstha> brb guys
[04:58] <genii> Techlari:  lsb_release -r                    rather :)
[04:58] <Techlari> I don't know how to do commands etc very well, where_
[04:59] <genii> Techlari: Do them in Terminal or Konsole
[04:59] <genii> ubuntu->Terminal     kubuntu->konsole
[05:00] <HUYDQ> ok
[05:00] <HUYDQ> Continue
[05:00] <Techlari> Applications & Places & System?
[05:01] <Techlari> I don't think it's kubuntu anyway
[05:02] <Techlari> do I need to Add the Terminal program?
[05:02] <Techlari> ah found the terminal
[05:03] <genii> Techlari: You have regular Ubuntu then and not Kubuntu. But either way the command:     lsb_release -r            should tell you what distribution
[05:04] <Techlari> trying to run the terminal but the Update (package) manager starts running and the terminal shut down
[05:04] <Techlari> it's like running on limited space and if not having enough space it cancels the new process
[05:05] <genii> Techlari: Let the other thing finish or error out then
[05:07] <Techlari> it doesn't want to start, it loads for a bit and close down
[05:07] <Techlari> maybe my hardware is too poor on this computer, not sure what speed the processor are, but I have 1GB ram put in
[05:08] <genii> Techlari: When you hit alt-tab does it cycle through the apps?
[05:09] <Techlari> yes
[05:09] <Techlari> I just have Pidgin and this conversation window running
[05:11] <genii> Techlari: OK. Another way. ctrl-alt-f1              then do the command:  lsb_release -r                   then, IMPORTANTLY:     alt-f7 to get back to desktop
[05:12] <genii> Techlari: Or cycle thru consoles with ctrl-alt-f1 ctrl-alt-f2    etc til you hit the gui one
[05:12] <Techlari> I got terminal popping up for a second but it died again
[05:12] <Techlari> ok I\ll try the other way
[05:12] <genii> (may not be on livecd that many consoles)
[05:14] <Techlari> 8.04 Ubuntu
[05:15] <genii> So Hardy
[05:15] <Techlari> I was told to run the burn of the CD on slow which I did (can't remember exact speed right now though)
[05:16] <genii> Techlari: You said the cd passes the self-check?
[05:16] <Techlari> yeah
[05:16] <genii> Techlari: You have less than 256Mb of ram currently?
[05:16] <Techlari> 1GB in memory sticks
[05:17] <Techlari> 512 x2
[05:17] <genii> Techlari: OK.
[05:17]  * genii thinks
[05:17] <genii> Techlari: Is it a Mitsumi cd drive?
[05:17] <Techlari> I tried the guided install with using whole harddisk space
[05:17] <Techlari> hm no compact disc
[05:18] <genii> Yes, thats usually the best safe option (entire disk, guided)
[05:18] <genii> Techlari: I assume the disk is largr than 3Gb ?
[05:19] <Techlari> 1 is 61Gb and other is 80Gb+
[05:19] <genii> OK
[05:19] <Techlari> graphics card might be troubling though
[05:19] <Techlari> but not sure it should effect the install
[05:20] <Techlari> and so far I haven't noticed gfx problems (mainly cause I haven't been running any programs with 3D)
[05:21] <Techlari> it's 2 Maxtor harddrives
[05:24] <genii> Techlari: You could try during cd boot, at the menu it gives: f5   then before the "---" put a kernel option like       vga
[05:25] <Techlari> ok just write there?
[05:25] <Techlari> ok I'll try it, be back in a while I presume
[05:25] <genii> Techlari: Yes, then hit Enter to use that as an additional option to use during boot
[05:25] <genii> I'll be here :)
[05:26] <Techlari> Thanks mate
[05:27] <live_CD_user> does anybody know, should and md5sum of a mounted image of a hard drive be the same as the md5sum of the original hard drive (image was made with dd)? or is there a better way to ensure the image matches the original?
[05:30] <corigo> 1. Is there a website for the kdesktop project? 2. Does anyone have a blog or link to a good quick start with KDesktop 4?
[05:31] <ardchoille> corigo: I would think  http://www.kde.org/  would be good seeing as kde4 is the default now
[05:32] <rgreening> www.kubuntu.org as well... if you are interested in the kubuntu-desktop under (K)Ubuntu
[05:33] <rgreening> nm.. my brain is fried. forgot what chan I was on
[05:33]  * rgreening need ssleep so bad
[05:36] <genii> live_CD_user: You could do a small test. make a small swap partition. dd it. Then compare the md5sums
[05:38] <genii> live_CD_user: You can also loopmount the dd image, then rsync the drive contents to it
[05:39] <Techlari> genkii: ok I didn't find 'kernel' anywhere, did you mean High Contrast, Magnifier, Screen Reader, Braille Terminal, Keyboard Modifiers, On-Screen Keyboard ?
[05:40] <live_CD_user> genii: great idea on the small image test, thanks.
[05:40] <genii> Techlari: No. There is a way to edit the kernel load line, but it's been so long now. Not f5 apparently :)
[05:41] <Techlari> maybe from the Braille Terminal_
[05:41] <Techlari> ?
[05:43] <theUnBanned> hi
[05:43] <theUnBanned> would someone be so kind and ask in #remote-exploit why im banned ?
[05:44] <genii> theUnBanned: You've already been told in #ubuntu of the steps to take.  And see if I can recreate the issue on my lappy (Running Ubuntu 8.04)
[05:55] <Techlari> genkii: he wasn't informed of the percentage already loaded on the installation
[05:56] <l3ddude> so hows every one doing?
[05:56] <Techlari> horriffic otherwise fine lol
[05:56] <l3ddude> lol
[05:57] <l3ddude> considering the month thats a good thing right
[05:57] <Techlari> been a rather horrific month overall
[05:58] <Techlari> but I shouldn't complain, have been fortunate to not have to experience any natural disasters
[05:58] <l3ddude> same here
[05:58] <Techlari> I'm trying to install Ubuntu 8,04 on my computer
[05:59] <Techlari> but it stops at 24 percent saying Err5
[06:00] <l3ddude> not sure what that means
[06:00] <Techlari> cd, cdreader, harddrive problem
[06:00] <l3ddude> does it say anything else
[06:00] <Techlari> but cd is fine, and cdreader should be fine
[06:00] <Techlari> no not really
[06:01] <genii> Techlari: Research indicates error 5 means can't write to disk. Some bug report on launchpad regarding this suggests to turn off BIOS virus checking
[06:01] <Techlari> something with the harddrives I guess
[06:01] <genii> Techlari: "can't write to disk" could also mean there is a bad sector or such
[06:15] <l3ddude> well I guess I shall hit the bed kinda slow in here right now
[06:15] <Techlari> night night
[06:15] <genii> l3ddude: Sleep well
[06:16] <ardchoille> what time is Intrepid stable actually going to be released for download?
[06:16] <l3ddude> night all
[06:16] <genii> ardchoille: I don't think anyone actually knows
[06:16] <ardchoille> ok
[06:16] <Techlari> I'll just burn another CD but a DVD instead, Ryan said that a DVD disc solved many ppls problems
[06:17] <Nikke> ardchoille, rc is stable :)
[06:17] <Nikke> i dont think they are gonna do some major updates before they releases the final
[06:17] <ardchoille> Nikke: good point
[06:17] <ardchoille> would take a lot of work for a full spin
[06:18] <ardchoille> I was just wanting to try the livecd
[06:18] <Nikke> ardchoille, =)
[06:18] <genii> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-8.10       shows 3 hours ago was supposed to have been
[06:18] <Techlari> logging now, bye
[06:18] <ardchoille> genii: thanks
[06:19] <genii> ardchoille: You're welcome
[06:19] <Techlari> oh and thanks for the help anyways :)
[06:19] <Techlari> bye bye
[06:19] <ardchoille> genii: well I don't see any way to download 8.10. The download link at kubuntu.org allows downloading 8.04
[06:19] <genii> Sorry, had not refreshed the page :) 6 hours now
[06:21] <ardchoille> I'll have to wait, the rc is the only thing available
[06:23] <Nikke> ardchoille, as i said rc is stable
[06:24] <ardchoille> downloading
[06:24] <ardchoille> gotta love wget -c
[06:24] <genii> :)
[06:24] <ardchoille> 29 hours :(
[06:24]  * genii blinks
[06:25] <ardchoille> it's settling down..
[06:25]  * ardchoille tries a diff server
[06:26] <ardchoille> ah, this is ore like it
[06:27] <ardchoille> 160.39K/s   ETA  1:02:36
[06:28] <genii> Yes, that's livable :)
[06:29] <ardchoille> whoa, just learned I could have a console as a tab in konversation
[06:29] <niklauz> release day, no?
[06:29] <pan_> in update-manager i have a lot of kde updates how do i get rid of it?
[06:29] <genii> niklauz: In some time zones :)
[06:29] <ardchoille> pan_: you install the updates
[06:29] <ardchoille> ;)
[06:29] <pan_> its like a long list
[06:30] <ardchoille> pan_: you're going to install them eventually, right?
[06:30] <pan_> i dont even use kubuntu
[06:30] <pan_> hm
[06:30] <genii> pan_: If you don't ue kubuntu why are you here?
[06:30] <ardchoille> the package manager only updates the things you have installed, so evidentally you have some kde packages installed
[06:31] <pan_> i haven't given it a chance i have it cause i installed ubuntu ultimate 1.9
[06:31] <genii> !ultimate
[06:31] <niklauz> genii: :)
[06:32] <pan_> kubuntu is loaded in sessions when i start up in gdm startup right?
[06:32] <pan_> or am i wrong?
[06:32] <pan_> i type in konquerer and it loads like a nautilus
[06:34] <ardchoille> pan konqueror also serves as a file manager in kde
[06:34] <genii> pan_: Any QT based application you use requires kde libraries behind it to load
[06:34] <pan_> right
[06:34] <pan_> oh
[06:34] <sba61> hi, how do I search for stuff in the new adept? the search field doesn't seem to work
[06:35] <delian> are there any speed hinderances with kde4?
[06:35] <bulbec> Hello?
[06:35] <sba61> delian: no, I didn't notice any speed issues. still quite some rough edges though (imho)
[06:36] <b0nn> hrm
[06:36] <b0nn> Ive just dist-upgraded, and lost X
[06:36] <delian> sba61: i'm using gnome; so it's just kubuntu-kde4-desktop, yes?
[06:37] <ardchoille> kubuntu-kde4-desktop , yes
[06:37] <sba61> delian: yep
[06:37] <ardchoille> That's what's in my hardy repos
[06:37] <delian> heh, and that's it?
[06:37] <sba61> might be kubuntu-desktop with ibex now :/
[06:37] <bulbec> can somebody help me? i made a backup of my computer and i had to use it, i got KERNEL PANIC and now i cant reinstall the Kubuntu, it writes "Buffer I/O error no device sda, logical block 0. PLZ SOMEBODY HELP ME
[06:38] <delian> hmm. i'm on intrepid, i don't have the kubuntu-members-kde4/ repository, but the regular ones with backports/universe.
[06:38] <ardchoille> delian: It's a meta-package.. it pulls in all the needed components of kde4. You'll see when you go to install it
[06:40] <genii> bulbec: That sounds suspiciously like failed hard drive.
[06:40] <b0nn> anyone have an idea how I can get X up and running on my laptop?
[06:40] <b0nn> I've tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[06:40] <b0nn> but startx says "error no screens found"
[06:41] <bulbec> genii i dont really know whats that. im new on this, cau u tell me plz how can i fix my problem?
[06:42] <James> hi all
[06:42] <genii> bulbec: Try removing that hard drive from the computer and replacing it with one you know is good. Then attempt installing Kubuntu onto this replacement drive.
[06:43] <JamesSVK> when will be 8.10 relase??
[06:43] <bulbec> i've installed it in another hard drive and its OK, but the other one dont want to work
[06:43] <delian> JamesSVK: some time today
[06:44] <JamesSVK> thanks
[06:44] <JamesSVK> because i look for it on kubuntu homepage and still nothing
[06:46] <JamesSVK> ohh and one simple question: I need some backup software, which will backup files and MYSQL database
[06:47] <ardchoille> JamesSVK: tar can do that
[06:47] <ardchoille> there's also a gui app called Keep that is supposed to be a good backup utility
[06:47] <JamesSVK> ive tryed keeep
[06:47] <JamesSVK> *keep
[06:47] <ardchoille> I like tar.. it's simple, fast, and I can throw it in a cronjob :)
[06:48] <JamesSVK> and try to backup full system via root
[06:48] <powertool08> JamesSVK: I think acronis is backup software?
[06:48] <JamesSVK> acronis?
[06:48] <powertool08> JamesSVK: alot of people use tar or rsync it seems
[06:49] <JamesSVK> ok i try it, thanks
[06:49] <powertool08> JamesSVK: http://www.acronis.com/ I don't know if its in the repos or free or much of anything other than it exists
[06:51] <JamesSVK> but acronis is not OpenSource, isnt it?
[06:51] <powertool08> no idea
[06:51] <powertool08> I've just heard people say it saved their butt
[06:52] <ardchoille> I don't see anything related to "acronis" i the Hardy repos
[06:53] <powertool08> guess its not there, like I said, it may be enterprise level stuff that costs, I'm just aware of its existence
[06:53] <ardchoille> might be in the partner repo or something
[06:54] <genii> No, I have partner enabled and apt-cache draws a blank
[06:54] <powertool08> hmm, 15 day free trial from the website, guess its not free, oh well I'd look into tar/rsync then
[06:55] <ardchoille> I just use tar in a cronjob and let the system get backed up while I sleep
[06:55] <powertool08> JamesSVK: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087 51 pages of backup discussion
[06:56] <ardchoille> powertool08: hehe
[06:56] <JamesSVK> i got 10 same computers and i want to install ubuntu on both
[06:56] <JamesSVK> can i copy partition + setup grub?
[06:56] <powertool08> wait... actually its 70
[06:57] <ardchoille> JamesSVK: then I would look into use PartImage to make an image of the first install and then use that image to install onto the other machines. That's what I do and installing the image onto the others takes about 4 minutes per machine
[06:58] <ardchoille> JamesSVK: There's a nice livecd that has a ton of admin tools on it including PartImage: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[07:00]  * ardchoille wonders if the bot knows about it
[07:00] <ardchoille> !sysresccd
[07:00] <ardchoille> heh, nice
[07:03] <powertool08> !powertool08
[07:03] <SkEmO> ta mañana! , que descansen o/
[07:03] <powertool08> :(
[07:03] <powertool08> ok. then
[07:05] <JamesSVK> thanks again
[07:05] <JamesSVK> you save my time :)
[07:08] <antonio23> hi
[07:08] <antonio23> somebody online?
[07:09] <JamesSVK> sure
[07:09] <antonio23> hi
[07:10] <antonio23> do you know what hour 8.10 will be released?
[07:13] <ardchoille> antonio23: You might as well download the rc, as far as I know there weren't any huge bugs that would have required a complete rebuild
[07:13] <niklauz> the final
[07:13] <niklauz> the final hour
[07:13] <niklauz> prepare yourself
[07:13] <niklauz> the iterative release is nigh
[07:14]  * genii makes more coffee!
[07:20] <antonio23> hehe
[07:20] <antonio23>  I tried to upgrade my 8.04 system
[07:20] <antonio23> and now I cannot start it
[07:21] <antonio23> I am on my vista partition now
[07:24] <genii> antonio23: Any informative error messages it gives?
[07:25] <antonio23> mmm
[07:25] <antonio23> it starts, I can see the mouse but then appears a message just before I can log in
[07:26] <antonio23> and then appears a kind of DOS
[07:26] <antonio23> antonio.login
[07:26] <yurimxpxman> anybody know if there'll be a (easy) way to keep KDE3 while upgrading the rest of the system to 8.10?
[07:27] <genii> antonio23: Not any error. Just no graphical system.
[07:28] <JamesSVK> yurimxpxman: install KDE3 manuallz
[07:28] <genii> yurimxpxman: If you have kde3 now, you'll have it afterwards
[07:28] <JamesSVK> yurimxpxman: install KDE3 manually
[07:29] <yurimxpxman> genii: are you sure? I'm afraid it'll wipe out those old packages.. honestly, I *hate* KDE4. I'd sooner use GNOME
[07:30] <genii> yurimxpxman: I'm sure. I had on my testing partition 8.04/kde3 which went to 8.10RC and kde3 stayed intact
[07:31] <yurimxpxman> genii: well, that's good to hear.. but will it break anything, like default apps or something?
[07:32] <genii> yurimxpxman: So far have not noticed any kde3 applications breaking. But I use generally just basic things
[07:32] <yurimxpxman> genii: I haven't used KDE4 in a while.. how is it right now?
[07:32] <genii> yurimxpxman: Some like it. I don't.
[07:33] <yurimxpxman> genii: for me, it's not even that it's not finished yet. I really hate the new interface.. everything they changed, period.
[07:34] <bibstha> how do i get ubuntu | kubuntu laptop stickers?
[07:34] <genii> yurimxpxman: Well, can add "classic" kmenu which helps some. But I'm not crazy about plasmoids
[07:34] <genii> bibstha: Visit the store
[07:34] <genii> !store
[07:34] <yurimxpxman> bibstha: they also come in the shipit cd packages
[07:35] <genii> They limit shipit now to 1 copy :(
[07:35] <bibstha> genii: how come? previously it was order as much as you can..
[07:35] <yurimxpxman> genii: I hadn't heard that :(
[07:35] <genii> Sad but true
[07:35] <genii> bibstha: Previously it was, yes
[07:36] <genii> In fact I ordered 25 CDs from them once
[07:37] <yurimxpxman> genii: plasma's what I hate most about KDE4. No matter how many features they come up with, we'll still be stuck with plasma
[07:38] <genii> Hmm. I see in shipit now they have still multiple orders available but it's special request
[07:39] <ardchoille> is there any way to turn plasma off or hide the panel altogether?
[07:39] <bibstha> ardchoille: just remove the panel?
[07:40] <ardchoille> there's an idea
[07:40] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: plasma isn't a panel. It's the engine that generates all the applets, panels, icons, etc
[07:40] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: it's pretty much all the chrome material on the desktop
[07:41] <ardchoille> I never liked all that eye candy anyway
[07:41] <yurimxpxman> ardchoille: I hate eye candy. That's all KDE4 is, imo
[07:41] <ardchoille> guess I'll be using fluxbox :)
[07:43] <sba61> how do you make article fonts in akregator smaller?
[08:33] <bulbec> Hello, i cant start mu hadr disk, after typing dmesg | agrep ata5 i got a message that says@PS/2 appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with i 8042" can somebody tell me plz how to resolve my problem and make work the hard disk, im new on linux and im desperate
[09:11] <madhell> WHERE THE FUCK IS THE BLURTOOTH SHIT??!!
[09:12] <madhell> hello
[09:12] <madhell> ?
[09:12] <madhell> I need help
[09:12] <madhell> I've spent 11 hours looking everywhere
[09:13] <guaqua> you have snowball's chance in hell getting help by "asking" like that
[09:13] <jussi01> !ohmy | madhell
[09:13] <madhell> sorry
[09:14] <madhell> I am frustrated
[09:14] <guaqua> does the system recognize your bluetooth device?
[09:14] <madhell> yes
[09:14] <madhell> the device recognizes kubuntu
[09:14] <guaqua> tried running kbluetooth?
[09:15] <madhell> it's a blackberry
[09:15] <madhell> ok I am trying now
[09:15] <guaqua> now, it's a blueberry problem if your kubuntu system works
[09:16] <madhell> KBluetooth is already running.
[09:35] <sivaji_> what about ubuntu release ?
[09:36] <marekt> hi i have a problem in one of the tutorials for making lirc working, there is a line "sudo apt-get source kernel-source-2.6.10" my kernek version in 2.6.27 when i try to do this command, it tells me uablo to find source.... can you help?
[09:52] <aptanet> does anyone know where the the Kubuntu network settings utility stores its configuration?
[09:52] <emanuele42_g> hello
[09:53] <aptanet> if I dare to make any changes with it all interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces bar lo get deleted and, although kubuntu thinks they are configured, I have no networking
[10:17] <thumper> WTF? Why is the locale set to LC_ALL?
[10:38] <CrazyKlompjes> Hello?
[10:39] <CrazyKlompjes> anyone know-when Kubuntu 8.10 will be released?
[10:41] <bentob0x> #kubuntu-kde4 gone?
[10:42] <CrazyKlompjes> bentob0x, the reason is that KDE 4.1+ is default
[10:42] <CrazyKlompjes> for Kubuntu 8.10
[10:42] <CrazyKlompjes> So no seperate irc channel is required
[10:50] <bentob0x> ah nice :)
[10:50] <bentob0x> thx CrazyKlompjes
[10:51] <CrazyKlompjes> welcome anytime :D
[10:51] <bentob0x> when is KDE 5 out?
[10:51] <bentob0x> (only j/k)
[10:52] <CrazyKlompjes> lol, I wish-
[10:52] <CrazyKlompjes> KDE 5 wont be out for a long long time-
[10:52] <bentob0x> :)
[10:52] <CrazyKlompjes> when all of us use touchscreens and stuff -
[10:53] <bentob0x> or brain connectors
[10:53] <bentob0x> KDE 5 will be the interface in your head
[10:53] <bentob0x> and gnome will be used for small people
[10:53] <bentob0x> :)
[10:54] <CrazyKlompjes> hahaha
[10:54] <nicola> hi i have a acer aspire 5100 laptop
[10:54] <CrazyKlompjes> Very true
[10:54] <CrazyKlompjes> I mean-hello
[10:54] <CrazyKlompjes> Nicola
[10:54] <nicola> and i have problems with webcam firmware
[10:54] <CrazyKlompjes> do any errors occur?-if so list em' :)
[10:54] <CrazyKlompjes> what webcam are you using btw?
[10:54] <nicola> the webcam included in the laptop
[10:55] <CrazyKlompjes> aha-ok
[10:55] <CrazyKlompjes> let me check
[10:55] <nicola> i try to install linux uvc drivers but it doesn't work
[10:55] <bentob0x> nicola, in a console type lspci -n
[10:55] <bentob0x> and paste the results in here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
[10:55] <nicola> ok
[10:56] <CrazyKlompjes> nicola-have you ever tried using the webcam program --"Cheese"?
[10:57] <nicola> no
[10:57] <nicola> i install it now
[10:58] <CrazyKlompjes> that was the only app that worked with my Webcam-
[10:58] <CrazyKlompjes> my built-in one :)
[10:59] <amerigo> hello
[10:59] <amerigo> I need a tip: somebody knows a program for voice recognition - to write text in kubuntu??
[11:02] <amerigo> ... there's nobody???
[11:02] <jussi01> amerigo: Im not sure of a native one, but Ive been told dragon naturally speaking works great in wine.
[11:03] <nicola_> i don't see the webcam in http://kmuto.jp/debian/
[11:04] <nicola_> there are driver for graphical card, wireless card but anything about webcam
[11:05] <nicola_> http://rafb.net/p/2jtTU687.html
[11:05] <nicola_> you can see here the result
[11:06] <amerigo> jussi01: i know dragon naturally speaking but it is commercial (or not)?
[11:06] <jussi01> amerigo: yeah its commercial iirc
[11:07] <amerigo> jussi01: my problem is that i need of a program immediately, i got no time ti buy one...
[11:07] <amerigo> or a loose this work
[11:08] <amerigo> or i loose this work
[11:08] <jussi01> amerigo: do they not have direct buy from their website?
[11:08] <amerigo> no have credit card
[11:08] <amerigo> jussi01: I don't have ...
[11:08] <jussi01> amerigo: sorry, i cant help then.
[11:09] <amerigo> thank you Jussi01, ever the best effort
[11:09] <amerigo> from you
[11:09] <nicola_> but if i type lsusb i see Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0402:5602 ALi Corp. Video Camera Controller
[11:10] <martijn> how do i install mp3 support? when i install libxine1-ffmpeg, amarok still tells me there is no support for mp3....
[11:11] <amerigo> !speack
[11:11] <amerigo> !speach
[11:11] <amerigo> !speech
[11:11] <amerigo> ! speech
[11:11] <amerigo> ! voice
[11:11] <amerigo> !voice
[11:11] <pritam> I had installed a second language on Kubuntu and after i tried to remove it , some menus stilll show up in that second language
[11:12] <martijn> !mp3
[11:12] <pritam> can anyone help regarding this
[11:12] <CrazyKlompjes> Have you tried going to the K control panel and changing it manually?Maybe after you got rid of the second language-the computer still thinks you are using it...and such...
[11:13] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam*
[11:13] <pritam> yeah
[11:14] <pritam> u are right what you said
[11:14] <CrazyKlompjes> ok :)
[11:14] <CrazyKlompjes> So has it changed back to normal pritam?
[11:14] <pritam> no i cannot find K control panel
[11:14] <pritam> i see System settings
[11:15] <CrazyKlompjes> alright, in the terminal type "kcontrol"
[11:15] <CrazyKlompjes> then look for language in the search portion of the window pritam-
[11:16] <CrazyKlompjes> or System settings-General-Personal-regional
[11:16] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam*
[11:17] <nicola_> bentob0x: http://rafb.net/p/2jtTU687.html
[11:17] <pritam> ok
[11:19] <pritam> I followed your steps but i only see English language there
[11:19] <pritam> :(
[11:19] <pritam> however, when i installed the second language i did it from this same place
[11:20] <bentob0x> nicola Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0402:5602 ALi Corp. Video Camera Controller
[11:20] <bentob0x> that's it :)
[11:20] <amerigo> ! text
[11:20] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam*Strange, I have never installed a second language, sorry it didn't work :(, what about changing to English UK then back to English USA?-could fix it :)
[11:20] <pritam> the computer seems to think that i am still using the second language
[11:20] <CrazyKlompjes> Have you restarted your computer
[11:21] <CrazyKlompjes> since you have installed and uninstalled the second language?
[11:21] <amerigo> I need a tip: somebody knows a program for speech recognition - to write text in kubuntu??
[11:21] <pritam> yeah i did
[11:21] <bentob0x> nicola_: are you going to update to 8.10?
[11:21] <pritam> also another strange thing to tell you is
[11:21] <bentob0x> or upgrade I mean
[11:21] <pritam> that even after i had changed my computer to non-us language, not all the menus showed in the second language
[11:22] <bentob0x> nicola_: 8.10 has the 2.6.27 kernel with some new generic webcam drivers
[11:22] <pritam> only it showed in the few places
[11:22] <Handcrafted> When will they release 8.10, shouldn't it be today?
[11:22] <bentob0x> probably today in the US Handcrafted
[11:22] <pritam> esp say when i try to browse a file which i have to upload as an attachement to a mail its then when the second language showed up
[11:22] <bentob0x> you'll have to wait a few more hours :)
[11:22] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam* oh...then what about the System Language?
[11:22] <pritam> also th date and time shows up in the second language in some places
[11:22] <pritam> system language is set to US english default
[11:24] <nicola_> ok bentob0x
[11:24] <nicola_> i try with the new version
[11:25] <pritam> seems like a very strange bug
[11:25] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam* With which programs does this bug occur?-all of the programs or is it only happening with a select few
[11:26] <bentob0x> nicola_: it seems the best solution as these results don't look too good for your webcam: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=0402%3A5602+ubuntu&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
[11:27] <pritam> only with this language thing
[11:27] <pritam> rest everything is fine
[11:29] <pritam> ok another error that i just got now is that when i do apt-get update it gives me this error,
[11:29] <pritam> E: Malformed line 65 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[11:30] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam: check http://www.kubuntuguide.org and copy their sources
[11:30] <JuJuBee> If I use dpkg --get-selections > file.txt, can I use that on another machine to rebuild it if the hardware is not identical? (after installing the OS from CD?
[11:30] <CrazyKlompjes> pritam: they will give you steps on that site on how to change your sources list, and it will fix that problem of yours :)
[11:30] <dr_willis> JuJuBee,  yes.. but you have to watch out for it insxtalling things like nvidia drivers and other drivers you dont need.
[11:31] <JuJuBee> On the original I did not install and proprietary video drivers.
[11:31] <JuJuBee> *any
[11:31] <JuJuBee> Does it matter that one box is Intel and the other is AMD?
[11:32] <dr_willis> shouldent matter much. YOu can check the list and delete anything that you think may cause problems
[11:32] <pritam> ok
[11:32] <dr_willis> nvidia and wireless drivers are the 2 things taht come to mind on my machines when i clone them that way
[11:32] <JuJuBee> K, thanks
[11:32] <a_c_m> anyone know of a nice tool to remove unused kernels ?
[11:33] <a_c_m> run out of free space on /boot so need to do some house keeping
[11:33] <dr_willis> The package manager should be able to do that.
[11:33] <amerigo> jussi01: still here buddy?
[11:34] <dr_willis> I always keep 2 kernels..  just in case.
[11:34] <a_c_m> yeah i plan to
[11:34] <a_c_m> but was hoping for a idiots version, specifically for the task
[11:34] <dr_willis> but i dont bother with a seperate /boot partion much any more
[11:34] <a_c_m> i dont use ext2/3 for /
[11:34] <dr_willis> Heh . 8.10 has a 'cruft' remover tool.. :)
[11:34] <a_c_m> cruft?
[11:35] <JuJuBee> dr_willis : what about sata vs. IDE HD?
[11:35] <dr_willis> JuJuBee,  what about it?  theres no specific drivers for them if thats what you mean.
[11:36] <JuJuBee> Yes, that is what I meant  Thanks
[11:36] <amerigo> jussi01: I found this : http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx
[11:36] <dr_willis> a_c_m,  now ya know why i plan on filing a bug on the 'name' of the tool/description. :) not everyone understands the word cruft... as in 'excess material/junk/dust'
[11:36] <amerigo> jussi01: what do think about??
[11:36] <ubuntoil> Hi, I have a macbook pro with an US English keyboard. I'm french and I need accent. I heard that there is an existing way to enable (somehow) to type accent like for example alt + ' + e
[11:36] <amerigo> It is only a project
[11:37] <a_c_m> humm
[11:37] <a_c_m> dr_willis: but no tool for doing that in 8.3 ?
[11:37] <dr_willis> a_c_m,  nope.. just use the package manager and uncheck the ones you dont need
[11:38] <a_c_m> humm ok
[11:39] <a_c_m> dr_willis: k thanks
[11:40] <amerigo> jussio1: are you jussi01??
[11:41] <krash> a_c_m: what fs do you use? reiser?
[11:43] <qwas> ciao
[11:44] <a_c_m> krash: XFS iirc
[11:46] <a_c_m> lol or could be ZFS :S how do you check
[11:46] <ardchoille> I downloaded and played a bit with the Intrepid rc. kde4 isn't as bad as I thought it would be and the dolphin on Intrepid is quite nice. Better than the dolphin on Hardy
[11:46] <a_c_m> yeah kde4's dolphin is nice
[11:47] <JontheEchidna> kde4 dolphin is waaaaay better than kde3 dolphin
[11:47] <ardchoille> The only thing I couldn't figure out was how to change the color of the panel
[11:47] <JontheEchidna> currently you'll have to get a theme in the color of your choice
[11:47] <a_c_m> kde3 dolphin = no resize of detail col's
[11:48] <a_c_m> which made it unusable imho
[11:48] <JontheEchidna> kde3 dolphin = a crashy buggy mess in general
[11:52] <krash> a_c_m: wow XFS? ain't that better for tons of bigger files?
[11:53] <a_c_m> krash: erm, could be, i forget to be honest - made the choice quite some time ago, but remember at the time i did a fair bit of reading on it before i made up my mind
[11:55] <dr_willis> You just dont rember why. :)
[11:56] <krash> *laughs* I'm a reiserfs fan, although I just recently learned about his jail time and killing his wife, now I admire him more hehe
[12:00] <dr_willis> I will stick with ext3 for now
[12:01] <JontheEchidna> "ext3 is fine for me"
[12:01] <JontheEchidna> I'd try ext4 once it gets more mainstream though
[12:07] <krash> I dunno you have to admire any man whose got the gulls to actually kill his wife and bury her in the woods that is just gutsy
[12:08] <krash> I'm still trying to kill my wife with kidness... Not working yet :(
[12:08] <krash> err kindness
[12:09] <rgreening> my luck, if mine died, she haunt me from the grave forever
[12:23] <ubuntoil> Hi, where can I modify my keyboard layout?
[12:25] <krash> under system settings I think
[12:25] <krash> keyboard & mouse
[12:26] <krash> Hrmm although I don't see it there either actually
[12:26] <JontheEchidna> regional and language perhaps?
[12:26] <ubuntoil> krash: well in fact I want something a little more precise, I would like to tell my system This touch does this sign
[12:26] <ubuntoil> *this key I mean
[12:27] <krash> ubuntoil: sign?
[12:28] <ubuntoil> krash: symbol sorry ....
[12:28] <krash> ubuntoil: May I ask, why?
[12:29] <krash> ubuntoi: or you looking for like macros?
[12:29] <ubuntoil> well, my keyboard is not corectly detected (MacBook Pro) and with the right option my key 'tilde' does not produce the correct symbol
[12:30] <ubuntoil> by option I mean in kcontrol -> macbook pro keyboard
[12:30] <cuznt> i still have resolution probs
[12:30] <krash> ubuntoil: ahh did you try googling it? most likely someone already had that problem before but by chance you are the first you came to the right place :)
[12:30] <cuznt> nvidia geforce5500
[12:31] <krash> cuznt: you using the nvidia drivers?
[12:31] <cuznt> yes
[12:31] <ubuntoil> krash: yes  tried...no result...I'll do it one more time to be sure
[12:31] <cuznt> !nvidia
[12:31] <cuznt> i did that
[12:31] <cuznt> that made it worserest
[12:32] <cuznt> im at 800 x 600 now it was 640 x 480
[12:32] <krash> cuznt: hrmm weird, what version ubuntu are you using?
[12:32] <cuznt> 8.04.01
[12:33] <cuznt> im on 3.x but i also have 4.1
[12:33] <krash> cuznt: are you using the (I forgot the name, comiz?)
[12:33] <cuznt> no
[12:34] <cuznt> compiz
[12:34] <cuznt> and no
[12:34] <jussi01> !fixres | cuznt
[12:34] <krash> well atleast I was close hehe been a rough morning
[12:36] <krash> welp off to work fellers hollar ya need me hehe
[12:37] <Guest87210> help me guys
[12:38] <Guest87210> i am kinda new to irc chat so i would really appreciate it if any one can show me some few basic steps. i believe i was automaticcaly brought here after installin Konversasion
[12:38] <Guest87210> konverstion i meant
[12:39] <Riddell> Guest87210: you can use commands starting with / for various things
[12:39] <Riddell>  /nick foo  will set your nickname
[12:39] <Riddell>  /join #channel   will join a channel
[12:40] <Guest76582> ok now what do the colors mean
[12:40] <dr_willis> what colors?
[12:40] <Guest76582> then there is something about nick-names poping up
[12:40] <dr_willis> Not everyone sees the stuff the same - depends on the clients :)
[12:41] <Guest76582> ok? i use Konverstion
[12:41] <dr_willis> You may want to check the irc clients docs, and google for some irc basics guides.
[12:41] <dr_willis> theres 100+ irc clients out there.
[12:41] <Guest76582> ok thanks
[12:41] <Guest76582> how do i register a nick name password and screen name if applicable
[12:42] <dr_willis>  - /msg nickserv help
[12:42] <dr_willis> and read the help info from nickserv :)
[12:43] <Guest76582> all i see is stuffs that look like this """[13:39] [Notice] -NickServ- REGISTER       Registers a nickname."""  how then do i use this
[12:43] <dr_willis>   /msg nickserv help
[12:44] <dr_willis> then read the info nickserv tells you
[12:44] <krash> Guest76582: /msg nickserv register but it helps if you are signed in as the name you're registering :P
[12:44] <administrator> true it does
[12:45] <cuznt> no change dr_willis
[12:45] <cuznt> i was able to change the X config
[12:45] <Guest76582> i tried that command /msg nickserv register
[12:45] <krash> cuznt: I'm curios, is this a fresh install?
[12:45] <dr_willis> cuznt,  sorry to hear that.. I suggest trying a live cd and copying its xorg.conf over  see if that helps
[12:45] <Guest76582> does this mean i need an e-mail to register
[12:45] <dr_willis> if the live cd xorg.conf works
[12:46] <cuznt> no not a freshy
[12:46] <administrator> Just type "help"
[12:46] <krash> Guest76582: hrmm you can't register guests I don't think try changing your name first :P
[12:46] <Guest76582> help
[12:47] <administrator> in the Ubuntu IRC room, not here
[12:47]  * krash laughs
[12:47] <Guest76582> @ krash. if i cant register guest how then do i get my own nickname registered
[12:47] <cuznt> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.custom
[12:47] <cuznt> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf |sudo tee /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum
[12:47] <cuznt> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:47] <cuznt> is that all one command
[12:47] <cuznt> or 3 separate
[12:48] <krash> Guest76582: You have to change your name first, type /nick then your nickname
[12:48] <krash> then /mesg nickserv register :P
[12:48] <delicowa> @krash. just did that and changed it to delicowa
[12:48] <krash> delicowa: can't register Guest names :)
[12:49] <cuznt> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart    <~~ how do i get back to kde after i get to the prompt
[12:49] <dr_willis> use start  and use kdm instead of ?dm
[12:50] <krash> cuznt: ctrl alt f7?
[12:51] <cuznt> pray for my sorry butt
[12:51] <cuznt> bbiaf
[12:53] <delicowa> @krash. just registered with e-mail but have not confirmed
[12:53] <delicowa> what else do i need
[12:56] <krash> delicowa: that should be all you need *boggles*
[12:57] <krash> delicowa: the nick already registered to someone else?
[12:59] <delicowa> @krash hey i am still a newbie here
[13:00] <krash> delicowa: ahh we all been there my friend
[13:00] <krash> delicowa: It's just been a while since I been there, I don't exactly remember the process.
[13:02] <delicowa> thanks krash
[13:02] <delicowa> @krash still reading the FAQ. hope that helps
[13:02] <krash> not to mention I been drinking and am probably not the best person to answer questions this morning but I am trying :)
[13:03]  * krash don't by krash for nothing.
[13:03]  * krash can wreck things without wheels too!
[13:06] <xst> The jpeg quality when exporting a bunch of images to SimpleViewer has decreased dramatically. I guess this is a bug! Should I report it - or can I set the default jpeg compression level system wide somewhere?
[13:06] <delicowa> 2..help. i use intel 945 GME and i have lots of problems with it.
[13:06] <delicowa> i read some stuffs that says i need aiglx
[13:06] <delicowa> butt all i couldd find on the ubuntu ftp server is xserver-xgl
[13:06] <delicowa> please how do i get aiglx for
[13:06] <geek> what kinda problems?
[13:09] <Shadow_> hello
[13:09] <Shadow_> for how long will kubuntu hardy lts have updates?
[13:10] <delicowa-ghost> @shadow 3 years that if you have LTS
[13:10] <Shadow_> for security too?
[13:10] <delicowa-ghost> help
[13:11] <geek> Shadow_: well other than KDE, 2011 for certain
[13:11] <delicowa-ghost> ""3 years""
[13:11] <delicowa-ghost> yup
[13:11] <Ornedan> Hi. WTF is console-kit-daemon?
[13:12] <Shadow_> thnx guys
[13:12]  * geek seems to recall kubuntu hardy wasn't LTS for some reason
[13:13] <krash> 09:13:22 up 2 days, 18:16,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.02
[13:13] <geek> lol
[13:13] <krash> beautiful ain't it :)
[13:14] <krash> rarely do you see such load averages :)
[13:14] <geek> 14:36 up 9 days, 23:14,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00
[13:14] <geek> thats my fileserver ;p
[13:14] <krash> nice :)
[13:14] <geek> i'd have longer uptimes but i'm still working out my needs
[13:15] <krash> you think they adjusted the load averages for the wms?
[13:15] <geek> wms?
[13:15] <krash> window managers
[13:15] <geek> naw
[13:15] <geek> ahh
[13:15] <geek> i don't use a wm on that box now ;p
[13:15] <delicowa-ghost> awesome @krash
[13:15] <krash> I'm on kde that's a low load avg considering such :P
[13:16] <geek> (the joys of linux. i can run a modern DE on a 8 year old box)
[13:16] <delicowa-ghost> anyone knows the kernel version for intrepid
[13:16] <delicowa-ghost> anyone knows the kernel version for intrepid?
[13:16] <geek> i'm tempted to take that box down to try intrepid on it
[13:16] <geek> delicowa-ghost: mine runs 2.6.26-1-686
[13:16] <krash> delicowa-ghost: I belive it's 2.7 something
[13:17] <m4v> no, 2.6.27 something
[13:17] <Bauldrick> -7
[13:17] <PeperJohnny> 2.6.27-7-generic
[13:17] <geek> ....
[13:17] <geek> wrong box
[13:17] <krash> I knew it had a 7 in there somewhere :P
[13:17] <geek> 2.6.27-7-generic
[13:17] <geek> sorry. i was SSHed into my lenny box and forgot ><
[13:17] <krash> computer nerds and alcohol don't mix trust me :P
[13:18] <geek> i'm not drunk
[13:18] <krash> I am :P
[13:18] <KRF> of course it mixes
[13:18] <geek> i'm just doing a half dozen things at once
[13:18] <PeperJohnny> dont drink and root :D
[13:18] <galathalion> amarok just died on me
[13:18]  * krash laughs
[13:18] <galathalion> been using it for.. hm.. less than one day?
[13:18] <krash> I woke up drunk this morning going to be a fun day :)
[13:19] <krash> If I get 1 thing done today I'll be amazed :)
[13:20] <krash> that's why I am drunk though I did alot yester, laundry, dishes, cooking, and shopping alot 4 a man I tell ya
[13:20] <Tm_T> krash: we don't care
[13:21] <Guest33380> woi
[13:21] <Guest33380> sugeng ndalu all
[13:21] <Tm_T> happy release day indeed
[13:21] <krash> Tm_T: Neither do I, I'll just go back to afk now :P
[13:21] <Havoc][> hello together.
[13:21] <noe> moin
[13:22] <Havoc][> *g*
[13:22] <tanrax> hola
[13:22] <Havoc][> are there any news about when 8.10 will be released?
[13:22] <c3E_stAnd_prPP> nuwun
[13:23] <c3E_stAnd_prPP> piye kabare cah?
[13:23] <noe> lol
[13:24] <Gonzo42> Must have been asked like a thousand times today but.... when is the release?
[13:24] <Havoc][> 14:22:14 <Havoc][> are there any news about when 8.10 will be released?
[13:24] <Tm_T> !ibex | Havoc][
[13:24] <Havoc][> *g* yes. i think it have been asked a thoused times.
[13:25] <PeperJohnny> today .. i would wait for a release announcement
[13:25] <momal> Anyone happen to know of a list anywhere that shows what isn't in kde4 that was in kde3xx
[13:25] <Tm_T> Havoc][: also see topic
[13:25] <Tm_T> momal: well it's not possible to do that kind of list
[13:25] <Tm_T> momal: unless you really set rules what you count as "kde"
[13:25] <faileas> momal: well from what i noticed, any major component thts not ready in kde4 uses the kde3 versions
[13:25] <Tm_T> and even then
[13:26] <faileas> like konversation and amarok on my intrepid install use the most recent kde 3xx ones
[13:26] <krash> momal: everything that's in kde3 is in kde4 in my opinion but harder to find
[13:27] <momal> ahh i see thanks :)
[13:28] <noe> it'll need some time before kde4 is really usable
[13:28]  * krash couldn't agree more
[13:28] <faileas> actually thats one minor a annoyance with intrepid. i can't theme the KDE3 stuff to match kde4
[13:29] <Tm_T> dunno about you guys but KDE4 has been good for me for some years now
[13:29] <krash> kde4 is coming along quite nice, but still has as you said some annoyances
[13:29] <faileas> some years?
[13:29] <Tm_T> yes
[13:29] <faileas> krash: mainly things that could be fixed easily ;p
[13:29] <krash> yeah kde4 been out for a while now
[13:30] <Tm_T> faileas: feel free to fix then
[13:30] <faileas> Tm_T: i thought its only been usable for ~ a year?
[13:30] <krash> faileas: as always :)
[13:30] <faileas> Tm_T: well sure, i just need to find a kde 3 themeing panel for intrepid ;p
[13:30] <Tm_T> I don't (:)
[13:30] <ubuntoil> Hi, I wanna have accent on an US english macbook pro keyboard. Does anyone knows how to do that..??
[13:30] <ubuntoil> I mean without changing my whole layout
[13:30] <Tm_T> faileas: usable for who and how... I have been using KDE4 stuff since april 2006 (?)
[13:31] <DaHopi> is 8.10 out now?
[13:31] <faileas> Tm_T: well not the whole DE though?
[13:31] <faileas> DaHopi: yes
[13:31]  * krash recalls using kde4 on freebsd a couple of years ago as well.
[13:31] <DaHopi> uu thanx!
[13:31] <Tm_T> faileas: DaHopi NO
[13:31] <Tm_T> it isn't
[13:32] <Tm_T> until said otherwise in topic
[13:32] <rgreening> ubuntoil: Install keyboard layout switcher and schose a layout that has the required key (that's what I have done anyway for supporting English and Portuguese)
[13:32] <faileas> er.. if the cds are shipping...
[13:32] <faileas> ok my bad ;p
[13:32] <Tm_T> faileas: orders
[13:32] <guaqua> rgreening, ubuntoil: see xmodmap
[13:32] <DaHopi> Tm_T: faileas thanx..
[13:32] <guaqua> also xev
[13:32] <ubuntoil> guaqua: what is that ??
[13:33] <guaqua> man xmodmap
[13:33] <Tm_T> krash: faileas: #kubuntu-offtopic for chatters please (:)
[13:33] <guaqua> man xev
[13:33] <rgreening> xmodmap make a permanent change. Not what I wanted, but maybe ubuntoil does.
[13:33] <faileas> >_>
[13:33] <guaqua> rgreening: not any more permanent than a switched layout
[13:33] <jonathan__> hello!
[13:33] <jonathan__> i've a very, very big problem!
[13:33] <jonathan__> I updated from Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 a few hours ago
[13:34] <Tm_T> !ibex | jonathan__
[13:34] <rgreening> guaqua: the switcher is configurable to activate on keypress like the winkey (which is what I do).
[13:34]  * krash kicks Tm_T in the (_(_  )
[13:34] <ubuntoil> rgreening, guaqua: no I wanna switch sometimes to have accent
[13:34] <NauarchLysander> I'm sure someone has already asked this question, but the answer is not in the topic. Will the new Kubuntu version be released simultaneaously with the new Ubuntu 8.10 release today?
[13:34] <jonathan__> it's not a kde4 problem
[13:34] <Tm_T> NauarchLysander: sure
[13:34] <rgreening> then the switcher is the way to go.
[13:34] <Tm_T> jonathan__: still
[13:34] <jonathan__> i have a problem with my xorg.conf
[13:35] <Tm_T> jonathan__: see what ubottu said (;)
[13:35] <ubuntoil> rgreening, guaqua: right shift => switch to fr keyboard
[13:35] <rgreening> ubuntoil: yeah.
[13:35] <jonathan__> it has nothing todo with 8.10 or kde i have had the same problem with 7.10 a long time ago ;)
[13:35] <Tm_T> jonathan__: then spit it out (;)
[13:36] <jonathan__> ok
[13:36] <jonathan__> may i ask the question now? :)
[13:36] <Tm_T> jonathan__: spit it out (;)
[13:37] <jonathan__> ok
[13:37] <ghost__> help please how do i upgrade to intrepid from kde
[13:38] <jonathan__> i have an ati graphic card, as you could imagine if i have a problem with the xorg.conf ;)
[13:38] <jonathan__> ok
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> ghost__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:38] <brazilian_joe> daddy, are we there yet? (Intrepid)
[13:38] <ubuntoil> rgreening: http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/archives-miscellaneous/316445-shortcut-switch-keyboard-layout-kde.html#post1464720
[13:39] <Tm_T> brazilian_joe: no, see topic
[13:39] <jonathan__> i installed the fglrx proprietar drivers via adept, without any errors. now i have to edit my xorg.conf that it loads the fglrx driver. How am i doing this?
[13:39] <Tm_T> !fglrx | jonathan__
[13:39] <rgreening> ubuntoil: are you running Intrepid or Hardy? And do you have the probelm in that post?
[13:39] <jonathan__> ok thanks
[13:39] <jonathan__> an other question :)
[13:40] <jonathan__> since i tried to load the fglrx driver, kwin doesn't start automatically for any reason.
[13:40] <ubuntoil> rgreening: well, I wasn't able to switch (I use hardy) I tried that and that works great..!!
[13:40] <jonathan__> can i tell kwin to start on system startup?
[13:40] <ubuntoil> azerty qwerty
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <ubuntoil> youhou..!!
[13:40] <brazilian_joe> so, the devs were too busy playing Dead Space and Fallout 3... ;) the launch dates were all crammed together, some of the top priorities were postponed, as the day has 24 hours only...
[13:40] <rgreening> ah. cool. works under Intrepid flawlessly
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:40] <roozbeh> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/intrepid/kubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[13:41] <ubuntoil> !ban
[13:41] <roel_> hello
[13:41] <roel_> '/usr/bin/dcop $KONSOLE_DCOP_SESSION renameSession "$SERVER"
[13:41] <roel_> with this line i used to rename the tab of my konsole
[13:41] <faileas> ....
[13:41] <roel_> when I connect to a server
[13:41] <roel_> by ssh
[13:42] <roel_> now, in kde4 dcop isn't used anymore
[13:42] <roel_> it has become dbus
[13:42] <Tm_T> roel_: don't use enter as punctuation
[13:42] <roel_> sorry
[13:42] <roel_> now does anybody know how i can rename my session in Konsole with dbus?
[13:43] <ghost__> help a newbie out-here
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> roel_: edit -> rename tab
[13:43] <ghost__> how do i get a list of channnels on irc
[13:43] <roel_> yes, i know. But I put this in a little script so i need the console command to rename the session.
[13:43] <Tm_T> !list | ghost__
[13:43] <Tm_T> noooo
[13:43] <Tm_T> bah
[13:44] <Pici> !irc
[13:44] <roel_> I have made a script that is called the server's name. When i use the script it automatically changes the sessionname, then it connects to the server with ssh and when i close ssh it automatically changes the session back to shell
[13:45] <ghost__> !list
[13:45] <roel_> This is possible with dcop but how can i do this with dbus?
[13:45] <bazhang> !irc | ghost__
[13:45] <bazhang> ghost__, check the last link
[13:47] <roel_> Does nobody have an idea?, or someone who has another sollution for my problem?
[13:49] <genii> roel_: The point of changing the session name would be ..?
[13:52]  * BluesKaj hands genii a mug steaming coffee :)
[13:54] <genii> BluesKaj: Thanks. Was up til 4:30am in -release-party then got up at 7:30 for work :/
[13:54]  * genii inhales the coffee
[13:54] <BluesKaj> wow :)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> sleep tonite then
[13:55] <genii> Oh, yes, I plan to.
[13:57] <noe> !quit
[13:57] <BluesKaj> the word is , no release yet.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> genii, it's still cold here so ithought I might upgrade til it warms up, biut there's no upgrade in the repos
[13:58] <scribbles> whats up with that?
[14:00] <CrazyKlompjes> not out yet...delayed by 1 hour
[14:03] <NauarchLysander> How does the upgrade procedure work on KDE?
[14:05] <ahox> NauarchLysander: adept is your friend
[14:05] <NauarchLysander> ahox: Ok, I just got it in the update manager.
[14:11] <jonathan__> hello again :)
[14:11] <jonathan__> kwin is no starting automatically :)
[14:11] <jonathan__> but i've still the problem with installing the proprietary driver
[14:11] <jonathan__> in 8.04 i could simply do it via the hardware manager, i didn't have to do anything
[14:12] <jonathan__> but now, or lets sy until 5 minutes, the button in the hardware manager   that says "Activate ATI Driver" in 8.10 wasn't clickable.
[14:12] <jonathan__> now the hardware driver manager is completly empty!
[14:14] <jonathan__> any ideas what went wrong?
[14:15] <victim[v]> using Intrepid, in Adept how can I list all the packages (games, office etc) in alpha order. Currently they are in random order.
[14:16] <Riddell> 8.10 is out!  please torrent if you have bandwidth http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/torrents/
[14:16] <Riddell> jonathan__: try  alt-f2  kdesudo jockey-kde
[14:16] <trappist> Riddell: woo!
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_8_10_Released_refreshes_the_desktop
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> DIGG IT
[14:18] <jonathan__> ups
[14:18] <jonathan__> i uninstalled the fglrx jockey identification package ;)
[14:18] <jonathan__> but it is still nothing happening if i push the "Activate" Button...
[14:19] <genii> Back
[14:19] <genii> Riddell: For real and true?
[14:19] <Riddell> genii: totally
[14:19] <genii> Cool
[14:20] <victim[v]> jonathan__: I had a lot of trouble with the "Activate" button not working
[14:21] <victim[v]> I was trying to install the propiety Nvidia 173 drivers,
[14:23] <victim[v]> It suddenly worked after a restart, I had also reset xorg.conf and tried nvidia-xconfig
[14:23] <Sir> Please help.  I had compiz installed and i decided to remove it.  when i did, i searched for all packages with compiz in the name and removed them.  this caused the frames around all windows (the title bar with the "x") to no longer be there.  also, my task bar only shows one desktop and none of the programs that start automatically
[14:23] <Aranel> if I upgrade to 8.10, will my amarok/basket or some apps related kde3.5 be removed?
[14:24] <faileas> Aranel: well... 8.10 uses KDE3's amarok...
[14:24] <Eruaran> Let the seeding begin
[14:24] <Aranel> faileas: ok, so it seems it doesnt remove kde3 libraries.
[14:24] <Sir> also, i can't get to adept manager to install anything else because that boot up automatically
[14:27] <moenicke> are vmware tools available as an ubuntu package elsewhere?
[14:28] <faileas> Aranel: no. konversation and amarok are both kde3 apps, least on my install
[14:28] <relas> Is there a way to use kde 3.5 with kubuntu 8.10=
[14:28] <relas> ?
[14:28] <KDesk> Please use torrent!!
[14:28] <terrestre> any kubuntu torrent out there?
[14:28] <faileas> maybe if someone has a ppd
[14:28] <relas> I don't want to use kde 4
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> just a periodic reminds to DIGG IT: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Kubuntu_8_10_Released_refreshes_the_desktop
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> we can't let Ubuntu beat us to the front page, lol
[14:29] <faileas> relas: there;s one mentioned on the forum
[14:29] <Bauldrick> intrepid is out?
[14:29] <faileas> >_>
[14:29] <PeperJohnny> hooray release anouncement =)
[14:29] <faileas> ooh. i hadn't noticed that
[14:29] <faileas> then again i have been running it all week *g*
[14:30] <PeperJohnny> JontheEchidna: are there any torrent links? do you know something? :D
[14:30] <PJim> Update tht frontpage!
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> PeperJohnny: download links should be in the news story
[14:30] <vbgunz_> anybody use ramlog? I installed the deb from the freshmeat site and no matter how much ramdisk space I allot to it, it never starts up on boot up... anyone know what the issue can be?
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> oh, no torrent links
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> I'll add them to the digg story
[14:31] <PeperJohnny> yes :/
[14:31] <PeperJohnny> ok nice thank you =)
[14:31] <momal> www.kubuntu.org is now updated
[14:32] <vbgunz_> could it be because I have several daemons writing logs? how can I get ramlog to run before anything else that may write to the logs?
[14:32] <terrestre> you just can download the 8.10 with kde 3?
[14:32] <GDR> is there a final release yet?
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> Intrepid does not have KDE3, except for a few apps that don't have KDE4 ports
[14:32] <bazhang> terrestre, 8.10 has kde4
[14:32] <momal> GDR: http://www.kubuntu.org/ <-- 8.10 is out now
[14:32] <bazhang> GDR, yes
[14:33] <terrestre>   Kubuntu 8.10 - Featuring the mature KDE 3 and maintained until April 2010 <--- that said in the download page
[14:33] <PJim> From CD download page
[14:33] <PJim> Which release do you want?                                                                                Kubuntu 8.10 - Featuring the mature KDE 3 and maintained until April 2010
[14:33] <PJim> why KDE 3?
[14:33] <Tm_T> errr
[14:33] <terrestre> yeah i ask the same
[14:33] <PJim> I see :)
[14:33] <Tm_T> what page says so?
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, ubuntu.com is getting hammered
[14:34] <PJim> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[14:34] <momal> prob a typo
[14:34] <rohan> i have kubuntu 8.04 installed, with kde4.1 packages from ppa. will it cause any problems during upgrade? kde3 will be automatically removed?
[14:34] <Eruaran> JontheEchidna: use torrents, much faster
[14:34] <PJim> And when are you going to remove that huge 8.10 RC banner from frontpage?
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> Eruaran: the torrents are hosted on ubuntu.com ;-)
[14:34] <stdin> rohan: the new packages will replace the old PPA ones
[14:34] <momal> its already removed
[14:35] <momal> refresh its says "kubuntu 8.10 released"
[14:35] <PJim> Tm_T: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download says so
[14:35] <rohan> stdin: thanks. and kde3? will it be removed automatically?
[14:35] <PJim> momal: finally!
[14:35] <Eruaran> umm... its a torrent file
[14:36] <stdin> rohan: most of it, some bits (like the core libs) will remain to allow some KDE 3 apps to run (like Amarok and K3B)
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> torrent links can be found here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> the page seems down for me though
[14:36] <stdin> cdimage will be slow, it's being hammered
[14:36] <stdin> try http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/torrents/
[14:36] <terrestre>   Kubuntu 8.10 - Featuring the cutting edge KDE 4 and maintained until April 2010 <-- lol jajaja
[14:36] <rohan> terrestre: err. why is that funny?
[14:37] <Eruaran> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[14:37] <rohan> stdin: ok, thanks is it removing because because i'll be using adept? i.e. if i use apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to 8.10, kde3 won't be removed, right?
[14:37] <momal> its been updated to kde4 now instead of kde3 :p on that page
[14:37] <BluesKaj> terrestre:  yeah and it's gonna take that long to make a lotta things right :)
[14:37] <stdin> rohan: no matter how you upgrade, KDE 3 will be removed
[14:37] <Eruaran> Hello Riddell
[14:38] <rohan> stdin: ok, can you tell me how? is it marked as "Obsolete"?
[14:38] <Riddell> hi Eruaran!
[14:38] <Eruaran> Riddell: do you get to take a break now ?
[14:38] <Eruaran> ;)
[14:39] <BluesKaj> google earth still doesn't run with the fglrx driver , no 3D or DRI ...this is an "upgrade" ?
[14:39] <terrestre> i think a fresh install is better
[14:39] <rohan> terrestre: why?
[14:40] <stdin> rohan: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu for full upgrade instructions
[14:40] <arnl> Kubuntu 8.10 update tool crashing :/
[14:40] <arnl> RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
[14:40] <terrestre> i dont know now, but some have issues when they just upgraded
[14:40] <arnl> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode characters in position 6-7: ordinal not in range(128)
[14:41] <Riddell> arnl: report a bug please, attach files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[14:42] <rohan> stdin: oh i read them. i just wanted to know the technical reason how kde3 is removed
[14:42] <_Lemon_> Hey, I have to use a proxy, however adept manager likes to crash when trying to use the proxy... is there a way I can upgrade to 8.10 from the command line?
[14:42] <andrei_> ad
[14:42] <stdin> rohan: it's not removed, it's upgraded like any other set of packages
[14:43] <yzd_> 你好
[14:43] <Riddell> arnl: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+reportbug  (running slow currently I'm afraid)
[14:43] <rohan> stdin: but kubuntu 8.10 release notes etc say that it doesn't have kde3
[14:43] <Riddell> arnl: what language are you using?
[14:43] <arnl> Riddell: ok i will.  but cant I upgrade via terminal?
[14:44] <arnl> Riddell: Turkish.
[14:44] <stdin> rohan: it does not use the KDE 3 desktop, but has some KDE 3 libraries
[14:44] <rohan> stdin: is kde3 in 8.10 replaced by something like "empty" dummy packages?
[14:44] <Riddell> arnl: mm, Turkish has problems with pykde I seem to remember :(
[14:44] <rohan> stdin: ah ok. thanks.
[14:44] <stdin> rohan: no, eg: kdebase 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2 get's replaced with kdebase 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4
[14:45] <rohan> stdin: right, but then why does it say "it doesn't have kde3"?
[14:45] <rohan> what happens to kde3 desktop etc?
[14:45] <LeeJunFan> rohan: it get's replaced.
[14:45] <stdin> it' gets upgraded to KDE 4
[14:45] <arnl> Riddell: any workarounds or something ?
[14:45] <arnl> Riddell: like command line :)
[14:45] <Riddell> arnl: download http://tr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/intrepid.tar.gz
[14:46] <rohan> stdin: exactly. that was what was confusing me - so now my system has two upgrade "paths" to KDE4. existing kde3->kde4 and ppa kde4 -> 8.10 kde4. how is that resolved?
[14:46] <arnl> ok downloaded.
[14:46] <Riddell> arnl: extract and run export LANG=C sudo python dist-upgrade.py
[14:47] <stdin> rohan: all the old -kde4 packages from the PPA will be removed, as the ones in the official repository explicitly conflict/replace them
[14:47] <Nikke> I heard kde 4 as problems with nvidia?
[14:47] <Tm_T> Nikke: not with newest drivers
[14:47] <Nikke> and the newest drivers works with every card?
[14:47] <GDR> momal: thank you
[14:47] <rohan> stdin: aha, that explains it. thanks
[14:47] <Tm_T> Nikke: nope
[14:48] <Nikke> XFX GeForce 6200A
[14:48] <Nikke> thats my card
[14:48] <Tm_T> Nikke: supported
[14:48] <Nikke> ok
[14:48] <Nikke> great
[14:48] <Nikke> thanks =)
[14:48] <Riddell> arnl: but first save the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* somewhere so you can report a bug with htem
[14:48] <Nikke> so ill use the newest driver
[14:50] <arnl> ok.
[14:51] <wolfie2x> hello.. why isn't this channel as busy as #ubuntu ?
[14:52] <wolfie2x> no one rushing to install kubuntu?
[14:52] <genii> wolfie2x: If you install Ubuntu you can apt-get kubuntu-desktop and have it as well
[14:54] <CrazyKlompjes> Maybe we are too busy downloading and installing our new operating system :)
[14:54] <CrazyKlompjes> for me --still downloading
[14:54] <CrazyKlompjes> wolfie2x-
[14:54] <wolfie2x> genii: do u have both installed?
[14:54] <genii> wolfie2x: Yes as well as other desktops
[14:55] <wolfie2x> doesn't the menu's get cluttered with aps from both?
[14:55] <wolfie2x> main reason why i didn't do it
[14:55] <wolfie2x> i've read so on the net
[14:55]  * faileas did a full reinstall
[14:56] <faileas> just backed up everything that i felt i needed first (/home 's contents , and bookmarks/feeds)
[14:56] <arnl> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/291115
[14:56] <arnl> I'm not good at English, but I think i did it :)
[14:57] <genii> wolfie2x: It can get frustrating. But there are a few tools to help sort out the different apps from each other
[14:58] <wolfie2x> genii: any major changes from hardy to intrepid in kubuntu?
[14:58] <faileas> wolfie2x: the whole desktop environment?
[14:58] <wolfie2x> genii: not much exciting in ubuntu (gnome) :(
[14:58] <supert0nes> haha
[14:58] <supert0nes> ya i would say there are some changes
[14:59] <wolfie2x> faileas: I use gnome.. intrepid feels just like hardy to me :(
[14:59] <terrestre> :(
[14:59] <faileas> wolfie2x: well this *is*#kubuntu... ;p
[14:59] <wolfie2x> maybe it's more stable.. but so was hardy for me
[14:59] <supert0nes> faileas: i would like you see you try to make that face in person
[14:59] <wolfie2x> faileas: I really want to try kubuntu/kde
[15:00] <terrestre> jajaja
[15:00] <genii> wolfie2x: Probably in the kde4 side of things. But right now my main desktop is kde3
[15:00] <faileas> wolfie2x: in my opinion, *some* apps are less stable. akrigator crashes a lo for me for one. however i liked it enough for it to replace hardy in both my main laptop and my backup system
[15:00] <wolfie2x> i tried a  kde 4.1 alpha and didn't like it very much
[15:00] <Siegfried> any info about wubi?
[15:01] <arnl> Riddell: it works, thank you :)
[15:01] <Siegfried> seems to link the old version still
[15:01] <Riddell> arnl: great
[15:01] <wolfie2x> does the tool bars on plasmoids still appear on mouse hover?
[15:01] <faileas> Siegfried: the 8.10 cd i have seems to have a copy of it
[15:01] <Siegfried> ah from the sourceforge page i can get it
[15:01] <Siegfried> from the official site it links the wrong one i think
[15:02] <faileas> Siegfried: that and 8.10 isn't officially out long enough for them to update i think ;p
[15:02] <Nikke> whats that app called when you put a iso on usb stick and install?
[15:02] <wolfie2x> faileas: does the tool bars on plasmoids still appear on mouse hover?
[15:02] <faileas> lettme check
[15:02] <supert0nes> yeah when they are unlocked
[15:02] <supert0nes> thats why you lock them
[15:03] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: but when it's locked u can't drag drop stuff to/from them?
[15:03] <faileas> wolfie2x: yeah, they seem to on mine
[15:04] <supert0nes> i can on folderview
[15:04] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: ok.. that was a big annoyance for me..
[15:05] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: is there a way to have the good old desktop without plasmoids?
[15:05] <ljuwaidah> is anybody downloading kubuntu desktop amd64 using torrents?
[15:05] <supert0nes> not in 4.1
[15:05] <supert0nes> but in 4.1 you can
[15:05] <supert0nes> i mean
[15:05] <supert0nes> 4.2
[15:05] <earth> I am downloading the altenate cd
[15:05] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: 4.2 come in Jan 2009 ?
[15:05] <Tm_T> wolfie2x: there is, just don't use plasmoids
[15:06] <supert0nes> right
[15:06] <supert0nes> ya but he would want the icons on desktop
[15:06] <ljuwaidah> i just wanted to check the hash, that's all
[15:06] <Tm_T> supert0nes: no he didn't say that
[15:06] <wolfie2x> Tm_T: yeah i need icons n stuff
[15:06] <Tm_T> wolfie2x: can have in 4.1
[15:07] <Tm_T> just add folderview
[15:08]  * Tm_T had icons on desktop back in 2004 or so
[15:08] <wolfie2x> Tm_T: if i just drag drop a picture on to the desktop from my browser where will it be saved?
[15:08] <Tm_T> wolfie2x: add folderview
[15:08] <wolfie2x> Tm_T:
[15:08] <metbsd> give me link to an iso that has size less than 650MB
[15:09] <wolfie2x> Tm_T: ok i'll try this
[15:10] <wolfie2x> I'll have to imagine there's no gnome or anything else but only KDE 'n then try it hard ;)
[15:10] <rohan> how do i remove the old kernel packages on my running system?
[15:10]  * Tm_T slaps Eruaran|Seeding
[15:10] <faileas>  metbsd: mind a netinstall?
[15:11] <Eruaran|Seeding> ow
[15:11] <Tm_T> Eruaran|Seeding: no awaynicks
[15:11] <Eruaran|Seeding> I'm not away
[15:11] <metbsd> how about boot and then install from ntfs HD?
[15:11] <Tm_T> Eruaran|Seeding: no statusnicks either, nor other nickspam
[15:11] <metbsd> or another cd?
[15:11] <faileas> metbsd: you can use unetbootin for that
[15:12] <Tm_T> Eruaran: thanks
[15:12] <metbsd> god dam it i always hear this word unetbootin, wtf does it do
[15:12] <metbsd> how does it help me
[15:12] <Tm_T> !ohmy | metbsd
[15:12] <faileas> metbsd: unetbootin is a programme that lets you bootstrap a netinstall from another OS
[15:13] <faileas> you can run it from windows or linux, and it will download an absolute minimal installer, and get you started on a netinstall
[15:13] <arnl> Riddell: I have a question :) It says "upgrading ubuntu to version 8.10" but im using kubuntu?
[15:13] <Tm_T> arnl: same
[15:13] <metbsd> ok i have 2G usb pen, so i can use unetbootin?
[15:13] <Tm_T> arnl: Kubuntu is Ubuntu
[15:14] <wolfie2x> arnl: but with a K in front
[15:14] <arnl> Tm_T: thanks :) I was confused about KDE. I dont want to see GNOME as a surprise :)
[15:14] <grizzancs> lol
[15:15] <wolfie2x> faileas: how much additional disk space would kde take on my ubuntu?
[15:16] <wolfie2x> faileas: i already have kdevelop so i guess some packages r already there..
[15:16] <Tm_T> wolfie2x: 200-2 000 MiB
[15:16] <Tm_T> depends what you get from it
[15:16] <supert0nes> heh
[15:17] <wolfie2x> Tm_T:  if i just do a "apt-get kubuntu-desktop" ?
[15:17] <supert0nes> plan for atleast a half gig
[15:17] <Tm_T> wolfie2x: hmm, hard to say, perhaps some 400 MiB or way less
[15:17] <faileas> wolfie2x: well i think you can use an apt-get install -s kubuntu-desktop to find out
[15:17] <wolfie2x> Tm_T: i only have 2GB left on my partition
[15:18] <Tm_T> wolfie2x: it's enough
[15:18] <wolfie2x> Tm_T: will it impact my performance? is the free space important for linux?
[15:18] <supert0nes> no
[15:18] <Tm_T> no
[15:18] <supert0nes> you should have swap space
[15:18] <faileas> wolfie2x: no and as long as you have some
[15:18] <supert0nes> on a separete partition
[15:19]  * faileas has had kubuntu act wierd on a system that was TOTALLY full
[15:19] <metbsd> is 2G enought for kubuntu with kde4?
[15:19] <supert0nes> ya
[15:19] <faileas> wolfie2x: run apt-get autoclean before and after you do the install
[15:19] <supert0nes> well
[15:19] <faileas> (that will clean up downloaded installer files
[15:20] <metbsd> i can't download unetinstallboot
[15:20] <metbsd> unetbootin
[15:20] <wolfie2x> faileas: I'm copy pasting all these cmds on tomboy ;)
[15:20] <metbsd> i can't dl it
[15:20] <wolfie2x> faileas: I forget if i dont..
[15:20] <faileas> metbsd: why not?
[15:20] <metbsd> don't know
[15:20] <faileas> wolfie2x: i use kate for that ;p
[15:20] <metbsd> my crappy isp maybe
[15:20] <faileas> what kinda error?
[15:21] <dr_willis> metbsd,  http://voxel.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/unetbootin/unetbootin_292_i386.deb just worked here.. :)
[15:21] <wolfie2x> faileas: does KDE have mono based apps as default apps?
[15:22] <dr_willis> metbsd,  as did http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/unetbootin/unetbootin-windows-282.exe
[15:22] <chfwiggum> hi all
[15:22] <faileas> wolfie2x: not as far as i know. it uses QT natively
[15:23] <wolfie2x> faileas: does kdenlive work for properly?
[15:23] <KDesk> How can I stop the hp-systray from apearing every time when I log in?
[15:24] <wolfie2x> crashes always on my gnome.. both hardy and intrepid
[15:24] <supert0nes> wolfie2x: right now that is a kde3 app
[15:24] <faileas> wolfie2x: i don't do video editing much ;p
[15:24] <supert0nes> when they release a kde4 stable version backports will have it
[15:24] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: so what's the app for it in kde4?
[15:24] <supert0nes> intrepid has it
[15:24] <supert0nes> but its the kde3 verison
[15:25] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: so kde3 apps still run on kde4?
[15:25] <supert0nes> kdenlive for kde4 looks sweet i can't wait till they release it
[15:25] <supert0nes> absolutely
[15:25] <supert0nes> i'm on konversation kde3 right now
[15:26] <faileas> as am i
[15:26] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: yes it looks nice but crashes on every other mouse click
[15:26] <faileas> supert0nes: any idea how to change the themes for KDE3 apps on kde4? ;p
[15:26] <supert0nes> no i havent gotten further than making firefox look alright :)
[15:27] <mirko_> hello do you know how to stop the system check on my net? i remember once i modified a file
[15:27] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: u using ff 3.1?
[15:27] <supert0nes> i have it, but don't use it
[15:27] <ingmar_> i want to do  $ mv last.fm-<IP_ADDRESS>40/bin /opt/last.fm but it says i dont have permission.. how do i change that??
[15:27] <dr_willis> ingmar_,  to mess with system directories you need to use sudo
[15:27] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: not stable ?
[15:27] <Greenery> Will Kubuntu 8.10 receive minor updates like 4.1.3 and so on or it can only be done through ppa?
[15:27] <dr_willis> ingmar_,  to have root permissions
[15:27] <ingmar_> but the readme file said so ..
[15:28] <scribbles> sudo?
[15:28] <faileas> Greenery: there will be security updates, and you always have the option of backports
[15:28] <dr_willis> !sudo | scribbles
[15:28] <supert0nes> wolfie2x: stable enough i just like 3.03 enough to stick for now
[15:28] <supert0nes> i don't want to have to work to put all my addons in
[15:29] <supert0nes> i know i'm lazy
[15:29] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: yeah i can't use any of my addons :(
[15:29] <mirko_> ingmar sometimes the use of sudo or root permission in general is so natural they don't write it in the readme
[15:30] <dr_willis> ingmar_,  dosent matter.. under ubuntu. if you want to do 'root' type tasks. you need to use sudo.. or be in a root shell
[15:30] <supert0nes> Greenery: I would suspect 4.1.3 will come out for intrepid standard repos but 4.2 will require either backports or kubuntu-members repo
[15:30] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: have to say memory management is superb though.. never stays above 50mb.. comes right back down..
[15:30] <supert0nes> and the new javascript engine/flash integration seem tons better
[15:30] <dr_willis> ingmar_,  also many non-ubuntu type disrtos do not use sudo as much, or at all. :)
[15:31] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: yeah it's super fast.. specially on gmail
[15:31] <wolfie2x> and facebook
[15:31] <spiro_spr> qqun parle français ici ?
[15:32] <faileas> !fr
[15:32] <faileas> c'est par la ;)
[15:32] <spiro_spr> merci ;) ++
[15:34] <supert0nes> today is all about the install i wonder when questions about kde start coming up
[15:35] <White_Pelican> rapidly I'm guessing :)
[15:35] <faileas> supert0nes: been using it for a while. so far other than my ethernet and bluetooth, no issues
[15:35]  * dr_willis plans on   installing jwm+Rox-Filer :)
[15:35] <White_Pelican> sadly for me, I can't upgrade to Intrepid
[15:36] <dany_21a_> i am glad, that 8.04 still uses 3.5.x and is LTS. The current state of KDE is really only for very curios users and mainly to get more developers into it (imho)
[15:36] <stdin> Kubuntu 8.04 is not LTS
[15:36]  * White_Pelican agrees with dany_21a_
[15:36] <supert0nes> right only ubuntu was lts
[15:36] <White_Pelican> seriously?
[15:36] <scribbles> hope nothing breaks today!
[15:37] <dany_21a_> stdin: oh... okay - thats true, but than i am at least glad it will still get supported some time
[15:37] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[15:37] <White_Pelican> that's disturbing
[15:37] <supert0nes> kde4 is here to stay :)
[15:37] <stdin> the upgrade to 8.10 will not be offered automatically, so one has to explicitly *choose* to upgrade
[15:37] <dr_willis> Woa.. heres an odd thing.. I got a lot of 'scripts' that are just simple commands.. ie: the script "ShowDisks" has one line..   -->  df -h -x tmpfs -x devpts -x usbfs
[15:37] <dr_willis>     its executable.. and Now i cant run those scripts..  i get this error..
[15:37] <metbsd> kde4 wil fit on 2G usb?
[15:37] <dr_willis> malloc: ../bash/dispose_cmd.c:241: assertion botched
[15:37] <dr_willis> free: called with unallocated block argument
[15:37] <mirko_> do you know how to stop the system check on my net? i remember once i modified a file
[15:38] <dr_willis> but if i put a #!/bin/sh at the start of the script it does work.. :) now.. odd...
[15:38]  * dr_willis wonders what a 'system check' is....
[15:38]  * supert0nes had to write his own malloc and free for class the other day ugh!
[15:38] <stdin> dr_willis: because /bin/sh is not bash, and it's bash that seems to be borked somehow
[15:39] <dr_willis> stdin,  yea i was about to change sh to bash and see...
[15:39] <dr_willis> Hmm.. #!/bin/bash makes it work.. #!/bin/sh works..
[15:40] <dustdevil> hi everyone
[15:40] <dr_willis> #!/dash works.. :) it just dont like it if theres NO #!/bin/whatever line.
[15:40] <stdin> iirc, if there is no #! line, bash assumes it's a shell script. maybe not though
[15:40] <metbsd> wow unetbootin is good ?
[15:40] <wolfie2x> supert0nes: "sudo apt-get install -s kubuntu-desktop" didn't give me the size?
[15:41] <dr_willis> metbsd,  the 8.10 release has its own similer tool that can generate a live cd with a persistant storage space also.
[15:41] <faileas> wolfie2x: that was my suggestion... guess not. try doing an install and don't confirm then?
[15:41] <supert0nes> yeah thats a better idea
[15:41] <wolfie2x> faileas: ok will try that
[15:41] <metbsd> i want to make usb pen and i can run linux from it
[15:41] <metbsd> i don't want to install linux, and then install another linux
[15:42] <metbsd> i don't want to install linux, and then install another linux to usb pen
[15:42] <dany_21a_> metbsd: and what OS are you running now?
[15:42] <metbsd> windows
[15:42] <metbsd> xp
[15:43] <dr_willis> metbsd,  then use unetbootin then.. but it wont have that persistant storage thing.. guess ya could mount the usb pen manually
[15:43] <faileas> >_>
[15:43] <rhkfin> Congrats everyone for the new release! Anyone know where to find a up-to-date counter like this: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/counter/ (I'd like to have some 'it's out' -image)
[15:43] <faileas> unetbootin does installs to usb?
[15:43] <mirko_> do you know how to stop the system check on my net? i remember once i modified a file
[15:44] <dany_21a_> metbsd: probably you could boot with the livecd and than create the USB stick... dont know actually if that works
[15:44]  * dr_willis still    wonders what a 'system check' is....
[15:44] <dr_willis> faileas,  it generates a bootable live-cd-on-a-thumbdrive setup :)
[15:44] <wolfie2x> faileas: 120mb download; 460mb on HD.. got 1.6GB available free space.. looks ok to install?
[15:45] <dr_willis> faileas,  not exactly the same as an install to a usb drive
[15:45] <mirko_> dr_willis the system checks if it is online, and there is a file to modify to stop this check
[15:45] <faileas> wolfie2x: no
[15:45] <faileas> dr_willis: ahh
[15:46] <wolfie2x> faileas: why not!?
[15:46] <faileas> wolfie2x: er.. u mean ya
[15:46] <faileas> it looks ok
[15:46] <faileas> oops ;p
[15:46] <faileas> too many windows XD
[15:47] <wolfie2x> faileas: this will not interfere with gnome other than for the menus?
[15:48] <faileas> wolfie2x: other than additional software turning up, no
[15:48] <wolfie2x> faileas: thx
[15:49] <White_Pelican> for how long will kubuntu 8.04 be supported?
[15:49] <dr_willis> !lts
[15:49] <dr_willis> kubuntu was never a LTS tho I think...
[15:49] <Nece228> no
[15:49] <dr_willis> or at least i seem to recall somthing about that.
[15:49] <Nece228> kubuntu 8.04 is not lts
[15:49] <Nece228> so it will be supported for one more year
[15:50] <dr_willis> yea right 8.04 was not..
[15:50] <faileas> well, the core files should still get updated, just not the DE?
[15:50] <White_Pelican> so when will support for it end?
[15:50] <wolfie2x> isn't kubuntu simply ubuntu with KDE?
[15:50] <supert0nes> yes
[15:50] <Nece228> after a year there will be kde 4.3
[15:50] <dr_willis> basically wolfie2x
[15:50] <faileas> wolfie2x: yes
[15:50] <dr_willis> people seem to get all stressed out about LTS. :)
[15:50] <stdin> wolfie2x: read "8.04 KDE packages are not LTS"
[15:50] <faileas> Nece228: i though 4.2 first?
[15:50] <supert0nes> it has different default settings and apps
[15:50] <dr_willis> i dont worry about it.
[15:50] <Nece228> i said after 12 moths
[15:50] <White_Pelican> in order to us interpid I need a new video card
[15:50] <faileas> nor do i ;p
[15:51] <wolfie2x> faileas: so u install ubuntu for LTS and then install KDE.. same as installing kubuntu?
[15:51] <faileas> White_Pelican: i'm using intrepid on a 4 year old system
[15:51] <supert0nes> i get bored after 4 months so not too concerned
[15:51] <Nece228> White_Pelican: kubuntu 8.04 will be supported for one more year
[15:51]  * supert0nes has been on intrepid since alpha 4
[15:51] <faileas> wolfie2x: "kubuntu-desktop" is a metapackage for KDE + some apps...
[15:51] <faileas> so yeah
[15:51] <stdin> the base is LTS and Gnome is LTS, KDE 3 packages are not LTS
[15:51] <White_Pelican> faileas, my video card is legacy and there are no drivers supporting it in intrepid
[15:51] <Nece228> White_Pelican: you can downgrade your xorg and kernel version
[15:52] <supert0nes> anyone looking lts won't usually install for 3 more months after release anyways
[15:52] <White_Pelican> it's an old geoforce
[15:52] <faileas> White_Pelican: i'm running it on a ~5-6 year old system i think
[15:52] <faileas> some old ATI card
[15:52] <Nece228> stdin: i heard that kubuntu 8.10 should be lts
[15:52] <stdin> Nece228: you heard wrong
[15:52] <stdin> :)
[15:52] <Nece228> stdin: wikipedia wrote that :/
[15:52] <Nece228> stdin: never trust wikipedia
[15:52] <White_Pelican> there in lies the problem faileas , you have ati, which finally supports linux
[15:52] <stdin> then wikipedia is wrong, shock horror :p
[15:53] <wolfie2x> Nece228: after downgrading those two it's more or less hardy.. only new gnome.. nothing much there either
[15:53] <dr_willis> claim they support linux. :)
[15:53] <Nece228> wolfie2x: well probably
[15:53] <metbsd> my flash pen is booting ubuntu, hahahaha
[15:54] <Nece228> i shiped ubuntu 8.10 and kubuntu 8.10 cds
[15:54] <Nece228> after three ill get original cds
[15:54] <Nece228> *three weeks
[15:54] <Nikke> wich is the newest nvidia driver? 177?
[15:54] <Nece228> yeah
[15:55] <Nikke> ah okey
[15:55] <metbsd> hmm no wireless in kubuntu!
[15:55] <wolfie2x> Windows 7 was demoed for PDC.. Ubuntu will have a strong challenge if it come on time.. reviews say it's sleek n fast
[15:55] <Nece228> omg kubuntu kde4 channel gone
[15:56] <Nece228> now there should be #kubuntu-kde3
[15:56] <benjamin> #kubuntu-kde3
[15:56] <dr_willis> :)
[15:56] <metbsd> how do i connect the wireless? i'm in kde4
[15:56] <dr_willis> thatss proberly where i will be from now on!
[15:56] <dr_willis> :)
[15:56] <metbsd> how can i turn the installation cd to fix cd?
[15:56] <Nece228> ok guys im off
[15:56] <Nece228> cya
[15:57] <faileas> metbsd: knetworkmanager
[15:57] <wolfie2x> faileas: is knetworkmanager totally different from gnome network manager? diff code base?
[15:58] <metbsd> i did that, nothing shows
[15:58] <faileas> wolfie2x: they are frontends for networkmanager
[15:58] <faileas> so under the hood no
[15:59] <PeperJohnny> is there another textmanager that can be used when youre not in kde? something like nano
[15:59] <Nikke> where can i see wich nvidia cards that are compatible with newest nvidia driver and if my card works well in kde
[15:59] <Nikke> kde 4
[15:59] <faileas> PeperJohnny: vi ? emacs ?
[16:00] <dr_willis> nvidia homepage/ !nvidia factoid have links to what drivers for for what cards..
[16:00] <PeperJohnny> faileas: thanks
[16:00] <dr_willis> Ive seen quite a few people with issues with the latest 9XXX series video cards.. but i  dont know how rare they are.
[16:00] <metbsd> hey i can't get wireless to work
[16:00] <wolfie2x> faileas: does every kernel upgrade bring driver incompatibilities like with nVidia case?
[16:00] <metbsd> im in kde4 screen
[16:01] <faileas> wolfie2x: depends
[16:01] <stdin> wolfie2x: only if you use the download from nvidia (not the packaged version)
[16:01] <wolfie2x> faileas: but packaged ver has no 3D? what's the point?
[16:02] <Maxa> does anyone know a command line program that can take a screenshot but does _not_ import it to a file, but on clipboard
[16:02] <stdin> wolfie2x: it does, it's the same as the download from nvidia. just packaged
[16:02] <dr_willis> The repo version of the nvidia drivers DO have 3d.
[16:02] <dr_willis> the 'nv' driver does not have 3d
[16:02] <dr_willis> the repo versions may not be as up to date however.
[16:02] <wolfie2x> dr_willis: but on intrepid only nv works?
[16:03] <White_Pelican> and they don't work with my card
[16:03] <wolfie2x> dr_willis: that sounds really bad
[16:03] <dr_willis> nv has worked for ages...
[16:03] <dr_willis> nv is the open sourced driver.. it has been around for ages.. it does not support 3d accell
[16:03] <dany_21a_> will it somehow be possible to use the recent kernel-packegs in kubuntu 8.04?
[16:03] <dr_willis> nvidia packages work fine for me on 8.10
[16:04] <wolfie2x> dr_willis: i c.
[16:05] <metbsd> how to check kubuntu version?
[16:06] <metbsd> i boot kubuntu from usb pen, no wireless...
[16:06] <ardchoille> metbsd: lsb_release -a
[16:06] <metbsd> 8.04.1
[16:06] <metbsd> good?
[16:06] <wolfie2x> ardchoille: what does the lsb part stand for? I always forget that cmd..
[16:06] <stdin> Linux Standard Base
[16:07] <metbsd> lol
[16:07] <dr_willis> Linux Sexy Babes.
[16:07] <dr_willis> :)
[16:07] <wolfie2x> stdin: thx
[16:07] <metbsd> so how do i get wireless to work?
[16:07] <metbsd> it says proprietary drivers are being used
[16:08] <wolfie2x> dr_willis: that'll be a good way to remember ;)
[16:08] <metbsd> the device is Atheros hardware access layer
[16:08] <metbsd> support atheros 802.11 wireless LAN cards
[16:08] <metbsd> they are both enabled
[16:08] <metbsd> but nothing in knetworkmanager
[16:09] <ardchoille> metbsd: That's Hardy, and afaiac, it's a great release :)
[16:10] <metbsd> but how to get wireless to work plz?
[16:11] <ardchoille> !wireless
[16:11] <ardchoille> metbsd: ^^
[16:12] <metbsd> oh shit, reading starts already?
[16:14] <babeck> does anyone know the url to upgrade to 8.10 via the command line?
[16:14] <babeck> the url to the instructions that is.
[16:14] <stdin> babeck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/#Network%20Upgrade%20for%20Ubuntu%20Servers%20(Recommended)
[16:15] <babeck> stdin: awesome, thank you.
[16:18] <benjamin> is there not a torrent out yet for 8.10 final?
[16:18] <dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[16:18] <dr_willis> yes there are.. :)
[16:18] <wayneward> i was on the RC verion ive jut gone for a version upgrade and it just wants to update my kernel!?
[16:19] <wayneward> happy days
[16:19] <benjamin> ah, i was looking on isohunt
[16:19] <benjamin> thanks :)
[16:19] <dr_willis> benjamin,  it pays to look at official sites. :)
[16:19] <dr_willis> not err.. .. well.. you know.. those kind of sites.. :)
[16:20] <faileas> ;p
[16:20] <benjamin> i suppose :)
[16:20] <enemabandit> if i'm running the 8.10 beta will it automatically download all the updates for the full release?
[16:20] <faileas> enemabandit: yes
[16:20] <enemabandit> sweet
[16:21] <benjamin> sooner i get it torrented, the sooner i can seed it to everyone :D
[16:21] <dr_willis> i downloaded the whole iso in under 20 min.. actually 2 isos :)
[16:22] <wayneward> wow thats fast who ya connected with!!
[16:22] <wayneward> that rapid
[16:22] <|neon|> kde4 got me running for the hills, is anyway i can use 3.5 with 8.10
[16:22] <dr_willis> torrents.. just torrents
[16:22] <faileas> dr_willis: any idea what's the DVD version got?
[16:22] <dr_willis> |neon|,  not that i know of .. at this time.. at least not that ive seen mentioned anywhere.
[16:23] <stdin> |neon|: no, just like you can't use kde 2 is 8.04
[16:23] <stdin> s/is/with
[16:23] <|neon|> :(
[16:23] <kgx> does the dvd only have extra languages or does it have any other extra stuff?
[16:23] <kgx> (this is regarding the kubuntu ISOs)
[16:24] <stdin> it has the graphical and alternate installer as well as a few other packages on the CD. but install is the same either way
[16:24] <chfwiggum> probably asked many times before: is there a prob downloading kubuntu8.10 64bit?urls on several european servers not found.tia
[16:24] <dr_willis> I thought they had extra packages.. and some extra boot options.. not worth the extra download I always thought
[16:24] <dr_willis> chfwiggum,  i got it from the torrents just fine.
[16:25] <chfwiggum> dr_willis: thx,ill try that
[16:25] <dr_willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[16:25] <faileas> dr_willis: true but i got mostly DVDs at the moment ;p
[16:25] <kgx> dr_willis: yeah i've always downloaded the dvd, now i think its best i stick to the cd
[16:26] <dr_willis> I grabbed the dvd a few times int he past to see what it had..  or when i had no blank cd'
[16:26] <dr_willis> Now i use Unetbootin and dont even need blank cd's
[16:26] <dr_willis> :)
[16:26] <dr_willis> night all
[16:29] <Tycho> Hi all. I upgraded to the Kubuntu 8.10 RC a couple of days ago. Do i need to upgrade any further now that it's released?
[16:29] <benjamin> anyone know when openoffice 3 will be pushed out to us?
[16:29] <Blues-Man> hi all
[16:29] <benjamin> hi