[07:29] <pitti> Good morning
[07:32] <seb128> hey pitti
[07:32] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:33] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:34] <seb128> happy friday!
[07:34] <seb128> how are you?
[07:35] <pitti> seb128: I'm great, thanks! how about yourself?
[07:35] <pitti> looking forward to the weekend
[07:35] <seb128> I'm good, thanks!
[07:35] <pitti> Annett and I will meet StevenK in Nuernberg
[07:35] <seb128> same here ;-)
[07:35] <seb128> do you have plans?
[07:35] <seb128> oh, say hello from me then
[07:36] <pitti> I will!
[07:36] <pitti> and on Sunday I'll fly to $warm_place \o/
[07:36] <pitti> (Sevilla, for the core sprint)
[07:37] <seb128> 19°C there, that's alright
[07:40] <didrocks> hey pitti! re seb128
[07:41] <didrocks> waow, summer/spring soon for pitti :)
[07:44] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[07:45] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, we'll be eating stollen in the sun!
[07:45] <flocculant> with brandy ...
[07:49] <didrocks> heh, sounds nice :)
[07:49] <didrocks> eating stollen in any condition is nice :)
[07:52] <seb128> wwhaatt
[07:52] <seb128> no, it's wrong, you don't eat stollen when it's warm
[07:52] <seb128> it's like mulled wine
[07:52] <seb128> works only when you need to fight the cold weather
[08:53] <andyrock> Morning
[09:01] <willcooke> morning all
[09:01] <willcooke> how do I report a spam user?  Getting msgs
[09:01] <seb128> hey andyrock willcooke
[09:01] <Laney> amoin moin
[09:01] <seb128> oh, early Laney!
[09:01] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:02] <seb128> willcooke, unsure about spam, maybe #ubuntu-irc knows?
[09:02] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[09:02] <seb128> do you speak about irc spam?
[09:02] <seb128> or launchpad?
[09:02] <willcooke> just googling it now
[09:03] <willcooke> irc
[09:03] <seb128> k
[09:03] <willcooke> I'm getting dm'd
[09:03] <willcooke> it's stopped now
[09:03] <seb128> I think there is an admin channel but don't remember which one
[09:04] <willcooke> gah duckduckgo is annoyingly bad for this
[09:04]  * willcooke reverts to actual google for his googling
[09:04] <Laney> hey seb128
[09:04] <Laney> how are you?
[09:05] <seb128> good! it's friday & sunny & I've a tennis match tonight
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <seb128> how are you?
[09:06] <Laney> pretty good
[09:06] <Laney> no sun though
[09:06] <Laney> went to climbing and a new micro pub/bakery last night
[09:08] <willcooke> hey Laney davmor2
[09:09] <seb128> nice! and any plan for the w.e yet?
[09:09] <Laney> sup willcooke
[09:09] <Laney> how was london?
[09:09] <willcooke> Was nice to see real people again :)
[09:09] <Laney> was there some event?
[09:10] <davmor2> morning willcooke
[09:10] <Laney> seb128: going to a birthday party, probably go to the allotment if it's not raining ...
[09:10] <Laney> ...
[09:10] <Laney> last free weekend of the year :-o
[09:10] <willcooke> nah, I wanted to chat to a few people and work with p_opey on creating a snap
[09:10] <seb128> did you make a good one? ;-)
[09:10] <willcooke> no
[09:11] <seb128> :-(
[09:11] <willcooke> I gave up around 6pm and went for a ber
[09:11] <willcooke> beer
[09:11] <seb128> wash out the failure at the pub
[09:11] <seb128> I see
[09:11] <willcooke> ha
[09:11] <seb128> good way to deal with it ;-)
[09:12] <davmor2> willcooke: well it was popey there was bound to be some failure ;)
[09:16] <willcooke> happyaron, Chinese New Year is awesome, having to work Saturday and Sunday, less so :)
[09:17] <seb128> do they have to do that?
[09:17] <happyaron> yep
[09:18] <happyaron> it's a so called 7-day holidays, but 2 days are swapped from Saturday and Sunday
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, is bug #1626233 something you are looking at? nautilus upstream asked me the status saying that they talk to somebody from Canonical about it before (they didn't remember who though but I assume it was you?)
[09:18] <seb128> I've not been following the 3.20 update issues much so I didn't know but I said I would ask ... there we are ;-)
[09:18] <seb128> happyaron, I see, still good to have a week off work! oh, and hey btw ;-)
[09:19] <Laney> seb128: doesn't ring any bells
[09:19] <seb128> k
[09:19] <seb128> it might have been jbicha then
[09:20] <seb128> (they said later they though he was working for Canonical)
[09:21]  * seb128 tags it as rls-z-incoming
[09:23] <seb128> Laney, csoranio said it might be tricky to update that patch to work properly with the new codebase, we should maybe just drop it and see how it goes with users?
[09:23] <seb128> do you have an opinion on that?
[09:25] <Laney> I don't want to maintain patches like that if I can help it, but people were loud last time
[09:25] <Laney> I'd dig up the contributor and ask if they want to do it
[09:25] <seb128> thanks
[09:25] <seb128> well apparently somebody updated the patch enough that it applies and build, it's just not working/hitting a segfault
[09:27] <Laney> Yes I understand
[09:33] <flexiondotorg> Morning Laney seb128 willcooke davmor2 happyaron andyrock
[09:34] <davmor2> and a partridge on a pear tree
[09:34] <willcooke> hey flexiondotorg
[09:35] <seb128> hey flexiondotorg, how are you?
[09:35] <davmor2> morning flexiondotorg
[09:35] <flexiondotorg> seb128, All good thanks.
[11:04] <willcooke> Trello is down...... nooooooooooooooooo
[11:13] <Tm_T> topyli is lying, I don't fight wolfes, I might fight for them though
[11:13] <Tm_T> ...aand wrong channel (:
[11:13] <willcooke> :D
[11:13] <davmor2> willcooke: it's like the voices of a million developers cried out at once and then were gone
[11:14] <willcooke> ha
[11:14] <willcooke> they all cried out "yay"
[11:15] <Laney> Tm_T: playing werewolf?
[11:25] <mitya57> Trevinho, hi!
[11:25] <Trevinho> mitya57: hey
[11:26] <mitya57> While looking at bug 1635577, I found this line in libindicator which probably hides the old item: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/libindicator/trunk.16.10/annotate/head:/tools/indicator-loader.c#L172
[11:26] <Tm_T> Laney: no, just discussing where we live, ubuntu community is vast (:
[11:27]  * Trevinho checks
[11:27] <Trevinho> mitya57: thanks for that debugging work, though!
[11:27] <mitya57> And it looks like in https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/libindicator/lp-1045372/+merge/123876 it was changed on purpose from "remove" to "hide".
[11:28] <mitya57> So if we change it back to "remove" we need to make sure we don't reintroduce bug 1045372
[12:22] <mitya57> Trevinho, oh, and thanks for adding my MP to your ticket :)
[12:30]  * Sweet5hark is still amazed by his experience with using LibreOffice online for the first time "in production".
[12:30] <Sweet5hark> 20 people concurrently writing call minutes in one doc and it just kept going.
[12:47] <Trevinho> mitya57: np
[12:54] <seb128> Sweet5hark, like on the uds gobby time? ;-)
[12:56] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, our calls are a bit like UDS sessions in that. we used etherpad before, but now tried a fullblown LibreOffice for the first time.
[12:56] <seb128> Sweet5hark, how is it working? there is a libreoffice server side than somebody needs to host I guess?
[12:57] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yes, its currently hosted by collabora.
[12:57] <seb128> interesting
[12:57] <seb128> do they do free hosting?
[12:58] <seb128> like can anyone use their server?
[12:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: for TDF, yes ;)
[12:58] <seb128> lol, I see
[13:01] <Laney> is it in the browser?
[13:01] <Laney> or the app(s) connect to the server?
[13:03] <Trevinho> mitya57: sooooo..... Mhmh, well that libindicator thing doesn't seem too wrong to me, unless the indicator actually remove the items at a given point...
[13:04] <Trevinho> mitya57: in UPS I don't think we do anything special for that, so it might be more related to some lib we depend on...
[13:05] <mitya57> Trevinho, so does removing items seem wrong to you?
[13:06] <Trevinho> mitya57: in the applet you say?
[13:06] <mitya57> No matter — in libindicator or in UPS itself.
[13:09] <Trevinho> mitya57: if removing would cause that libreoffice bug again, I'd prefer not
[13:09] <Trevinho> but I've not checked the full logic yte
[13:11] <mitya57> Trevinho, I would leave the decision to you. In any case I fixed owncloud-client so the UPS part is no longer critical.
[13:11] <Trevinho> mitya57: ah, however the line you linked to me before (the one doing the hiding), is actually in the indicator-loader... Which is a dummy loader for menus... So an example app
[13:11] <Trevinho> not the lib itself
[13:11] <Trevinho> isn' it?
[13:12] <mitya57> Oh, maybe.
[13:12] <Trevinho> mitya57: what's the diff at owncloud side, just to understand?
[13:12] <mitya57> Trevinho, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/295376092/owncloud-client_2.2.4+dfsg-2_2.2.4+dfsg-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[13:12] <mitya57> One line changed :)
[13:13] <mitya57> Re-registering the icon every 30 seconds was a workaround for some old bug in Qt 5.5.
[13:14] <mitya57> Trevinho, but where are the items hidden then? I found only the entry2geometry hash, but I did not fully understand how that works.
[13:26] <Trevinho> mitya57: that hash table should only have the reference of the entry id... not the entry itself... but it associate every menu "title" (or entry, as we call it) to a location in the screen and in the panel...
[13:27] <Trevinho> so basically the panel knows where it's painted in unity... This is has to be known for various reasons such as scrubbing, or to know where to place the menu Alt+<accelerator>
[13:29] <mitya57> Trevinho, the only useful thing happening in on_removed_idle() was dropping the removed items from that hash, so I thought that could hide them somehow.
[13:29] <mitya57> But if I was wrong, then I can not find the line where they are actually hidden.
[13:30] <Trevinho> mitya57: I don't see it at this level... I think it might happen on libindicator only... While the library keeps the refence, it doesn't notify it to the actual applet (whatever it is, indicator-applet or ups or... others)
[13:30] <Trevinho> but this is just a suspect
[14:53] <xnox> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "overlay-scrollbar"
[14:53] <xnox> that's dead right, and we should not try to load it?
[14:54] <xnox> bin/ubiquity-dm:        os.environ['GTK_MODULES'] = 'overlay-scrollbar'
[14:54] <xnox> bin/ubiquity-wrapper:        os.environ['GTK_MODULES'] += os.pathsep + 'overlay-scrollbar'
[14:54] <xnox> bin/ubiquity-wrapper:        os.environ['GTK_MODULES'] = 'overlay-scrollbar'
[14:55] <attente> is that still used for gtk 2 apps?
[14:55] <ogra_> it isnt instealled at all
[14:55] <xnox> ubiquity is gtk3
[14:55] <ogra_> but it is installable from unitverse i thinnk
[14:56] <ogra_> i guess the question is if you still want it to work for people that explicitly install it
[14:56] <ogra_> (and yeah, i doubt it works at all for gtk3)
[14:56] <xnox> during live-cd installer only? no, there are no apps during ubiquity-only session
[14:57] <ogra_> oh, right ... i missed which files you pointed at
[14:57] <attente> oh, right
[14:57] <ogra_> rip it out ;)
[15:01] <seb128> xnox, yeah, that needs to be cleaned out
[15:04] <ogra_> seb128, should we perhaps also drop it from the archive ?
[15:04] <seb128> ogra_, we did
[15:04] <seb128> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/overlay-scrollbar/<IP_ADDRESS>+15.10.20150604.1-0ubuntu1
[15:05] <seb128> the source still builds a gtk2 binary which is needed since gtk2 doesn't have such overlay scrollbars, that was only added to gtk3
[15:06] <ogra_> yeah, i cant read what "apt search" prints ... sorry :P
[15:27] <attente> desrt: hey, do you know if there's a way to prevent the libtool wrapper from the g-ir-scanner output from overriding LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[15:27] <desrt> uh
[15:27] <desrt> that's sort of its job
[15:27] <desrt> that's how it is able to make the linker find the in-tree versions of the libraries (which is pretty much the only thing libtool is good for)
[15:28] <attente> but now i have an old system library and it's using that one instead of my locally installed one
[15:29] <attente> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/V8ZduzJD/
[15:30] <attente> i don't really know where /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is coming from
[15:32] <attente> sorry, i should've given more context about the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu problem
[18:04] <Laney> happy weekend!
[18:04] <willcooke> oh, yes it's time
[18:04] <willcooke> good night all
[18:04] <willcooke> Weekend \o/
[18:06] <seb128> have a good w.e desktopers!
[19:02] <cmishra> hello
[19:03] <cmishra> are only two ides available now through ubuntu-make? (light table and visual-studio-code)
[19:18] <dobey> pretty sure the android sdk / eclipse is there


[00:00] <smoser> harmw, powerpc cirros almost woring
[00:00] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7598223/
[00:49] <harlowja> i can finally run my G3 powermac
[00:49] <harlowja> woot
[05:39] <Wulf> Hello again..
[05:40] <Wulf> I'm trying to add an ssh public key to my user but the ~/.ssh directory is never created
[05:42] <Wulf> http://codepad.org/76MkwitT is the config. The user is created, "passdwd -l" is run, sudoers entry is created
[06:03] <Wulf> any help with that one please?
[06:48] <Wulf> never mind, found the problem and wrote a bug report
[07:08] <harmw> smoser: nice!
[07:08] <harmw> its sad I've not had a chance to hook my cubietruck ARM device into openstack, for testing the allmighty cirros
[10:51] <JoeHazzers> how do i know in what order modules are run?
[13:25] <smoser> Wulf, bug link ?
[13:25] <smoser> JoeHazzers, its by the config
[13:25] <smoser> see /etc/cloud.d/cloud.cfg .
[13:25] <smoser> cloud_init_modules runs "as early as possible" (not guaranteed network access)
[13:25] <smoser> cloud_config_modules runs "as soon as network is up"
[13:26] <smoser> cloud_final_modules runs "rc.local time frame"
[14:13] <ddosia> hello everybody
[14:13] <ddosia> could someone tell me, is it possible to use #include and #cloud-config instructions in the same time?
[14:55] <smoser> ddosia, multipart input
[14:55] <smoser> or just
[14:55] <smoser> #include
[14:55] <smoser> http://my.cloud.config.url
[14:56] <smoser> http://some.other.thing
[14:56] <smoser> you can do multipart input in one of 2 ways:
[14:56] <smoser>  a.) cloud-config-archive
[14:56] <smoser>  b.) mime-multipart
[14:59] <ddosia> smoser: thanks


[11:08] <brainwash> bluesabre: can you please look at bug 1395547 ?
[11:08] <brainwash> some strace snippet has been added, so maybe you have an idea how to debug this issue further
[13:14] <eric_the_idiot> bluesabre, can I have you test a patch for: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9935131/ ?
[13:15] <eric_the_idiot> the patch is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10015368/
[14:29] <ochosi> oh hey micahg
[14:30] <micahg> hi
[14:40] <ochosi> how's it going? and wb!
[14:41] <micahg> heh, snow day :)
[14:44] <ochosi> right :)
[14:45] <ochosi> other than that, has your work slowed down a bit?
[14:46] <knome> hey ochosi, micahg
[14:48] <micahg> ochosi: sort of
[14:48] <micahg> hi knome
[15:01] <ochosi> micahg: any plans on being back for xubuntu development?
[15:39] <micahg> I would like to, probably need a little more time for that though
[15:39] <micahg> BTW, got 14.04 up and running on a machine, it's very polished and lots of awesome
[15:42] <ochosi> nice, that's both good to hear
[18:06] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: how does one trigger this bug?
[18:08] <brainwash> changing some "metadata"
[18:10] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: some user with this desktop http://media.cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/58/05/7326138-Dekstop.png reports that the icon positions are reset on every login with 4.11.8, but not with 4.11.6
[18:48] <micahg> sigh, still no Xfce 4.12
[18:49] <elfy> they were waiting for you :)
[18:49] <elfy> hi micahg - good to see you aboutish
[20:23] <Unit193> Good indeed.
[21:45] <ochosi> evening everyone
[21:46] <slickymaster> hey ochosi
[22:37] <Noskcaj_> micahg: Would you have time to vote on my MOTU and xubuntu-packageset application?
[23:21] <micahg> Noskcaj: I can take a look


[01:20] <jamesh> robert_ancell: yeah.  And mvo said he'd try to fast track reviews of any followups I can get ready in time for 2.28
[01:33] <robert_ancell> jamesh, thinking about the best way to migrate snapd-glib. I guess there's no way to know if snapd supports this unless we get it to advertise it. Perhaps we should make a patch to add a polkit flat to /v2/system-info
[01:34] <robert_ancell> actually we could just check the version field.
[01:34] <robert_ancell> the current version is "2.27.3+17.10". I guess a heuristic that looks for >2.28 would work
[01:35] <robert_ancell> though a flag would be less ambigious
[01:37] <jamesh> robert_ancell: on Ubuntu at least, we could just do Requires: snapd >= 2.28
[01:37] <jamesh> in the packaging
[01:37] <robert_ancell> sure, and just encourage other snapd-glib consumers to do the same
[01:38] <robert_ancell> I'll mark the snapd-login-service methods as deprecated to prompt people to switch over.
[01:56] <jbicha> jamesh: the On/Off switch for g-c-c's Connectivity Check doesn't display right when switched on/off
[01:57] <jbicha> but hey, it's Feature Freeze so pushing anyway ;)
[01:59] <jbicha> I remember that Feature Freeze is the day to break things :)
[02:07] <jamesh> jbicha: it should be tied to the D-Bus property change notification.  Let's see.
[02:07] <jamesh> i.e. toggle switch issues Set() call, and the change signal updates the switch position
[02:15] <robert_ancell> jamesh, did you get gnome git access?
[02:16] <jamesh> robert_ancell: not yet
[02:16] <robert_ancell> jamesh, where's your classic mode branches stored?
[02:19] <jamesh> robert_ancell: this has the two patches I put in bugzilla: https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/gnome-software/+git/gnome-software/+ref/classic-snap-install-upstream
[02:20] <jamesh> which branch should I rebase them onto?
[02:21] <robert_ancell> jamesh, I'll push them into wip/ubuntu-master and then we can try and move them to master from there
[02:21] <jamesh> okay
[02:23] <robert_ancell> jamesh, once you get your git access the process is 1. in wip/james/<feature> for stuff as it's being worked on, 2. in wip/ubuntu-master (artful), wip/ubuntu-3-22 (zesty) and wip-ubuntu-3-20 (xenial) when it's good enough for Ubuntu, 3. work on getting it into master when upstream is OK.
[02:23] <robert_ancell> Ideally we go steps 1 - 3 - 2 but depends how much discussion is needed / priority in getting feature into Ubuntu
[02:34] <robert_ancell> jamesh, someone OK'd the placement of that classic warning right? It's not even visible when I browse atom (you have to scroll down)
[02:36] <jamesh> robert_ancell: no.  It hasn't had any design review
[02:36] <jamesh> the same problem would be true for the kudo icons if we were showing them
[02:38] <robert_ancell> jamesh, "if we were showing them" :)
[02:38] <robert_ancell> jamesh, I'll release it to artful, and hopefully we can get some feedback if it needs moving.
[02:39] <robert_ancell> jamesh, Richard said he'd got some data at some point about what parts users were interacting with and it gets orders of magnitides less the futher you go down the page.
[02:39] <robert_ancell> jamesh, I think we should move it to beside the install button.
[02:40]  * robert_ancell heads out, will be back later
[02:40] <jamesh> robert_ancell: from a user's point of view, I'd think it'd make sense to show the warning for strict confined snaps that connect to home too, but it isn't clear how to do that with current snapd
[02:40] <robert_ancell> true
[02:41] <robert_ancell> we don't know until it's installed...
[02:41] <jamesh> it also doesn't help that we're mixing a small number of snaps with a large number of debs in the same search results
[02:41] <jamesh> where the debs are effectively unsandboxed
[02:42] <jamesh> maybe it would make sense to also show the warning for debs that come from non-Ubuntu sources (PPAs and other archives)
[03:07] <jbicha> jamesh: that sounds like a good idea
[05:18] <jibel> good morning
[05:20] <duflu> Hi jibel
[05:20] <jibel> Hey duflu
[05:21] <oSoMoN> hey jibel, duflu
[05:21] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:22] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[05:33] <jibel> morning oSoMoN
[05:59] <duflu> Wow. Some G-apps touch eight graphics APIs; GTK, GDK, clutter, cairo, cogl, pixman, GL, X11
[06:00] <duflu> That's more than I thought
[08:03] <Laney> moin
[08:08] <jibel> Laney, hi
[08:08] <jibel> Laney, about bug 1712581
[08:09] <jibel> Laney, if I set the attribute on the file in /target at the end of the installation it should be preserved after it's unmounted and rebooted right?
[08:09] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:09] <jibel> Hey davmor2 long time no see :)
[08:10] <davmor2> jibel: I've been here just not saying hello :D
[08:10] <Laney> hi jibel, ca va?
[08:10] <jibel> Laney, ça va bien merci et toi?
[08:11] <Laney> jibel: It saves to some database, so if you execute it in the right context it should be
[08:11] <Laney> that's why we have to sudo to the user, start a bus and all that random stuff
[08:11] <jibel> Laney, ah, maybe I did it with the wrong user. I'll have another look
[08:12] <Laney> je vais bien!
[08:12] <jibel> :)
[08:12]  * Laney tries to drag up the 10 french lessons from 15 years ago
[08:12]  * Laney did german in school :p
[08:13] <Laney> jibel: got a link to the code for this thing?
[08:13] <Laney> maybe I can advise quickly
[08:15] <jibel> Laney, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/scripts/plugininstall.py#L1190
[08:15] <jibel> Laney, with a comment from 2007 from Colin :)
[08:16] <Laney> ah yes
[08:16]  * Laney found some 2007 cjwatson code earlier this week too
[08:16] <jibel> maybe it's time to light the chemical fire :D
[08:16] <Laney> looks like you probably basically translate that same thing
[08:17] <Laney> guessing chrex is execute in chroot
[08:17] <Laney> put it at 1215
[08:17] <jibel> Laney, yeah that's what I did
[08:18] <jibel> Laney, but it's likely executed with the wrong user
[08:18] <jibel> not the oem user
[08:19] <Laney> 'sudo', '-i', '-u', 'oem', 'dbus-run-session', '--', 'gio', 'set', '/home/oem/Desktop/%s' % desktop_base, 'metadata::trusted', 'true'
[08:19] <Laney> or something
[08:19] <jibel> yup
[08:19] <Laney> that should run it as oem...
[08:19] <Laney> you can do `gio list <file>' to see the properties
[08:19] <Laney> or is it info?
[08:20] <Laney> info
[08:20] <jibel> Laney, i'll figure it out
[08:22] <Laney> okey doke
[08:37] <jamesh> pull request sent through to turn on polkit auth for install/remove of snaps
[08:37] <jamesh> lets see what happens now
[08:38] <seb128> getting interesting :-)
[08:41] <jibel> Laney, it works, i'll submit a patch
[08:41] <Laney> ^_^
[08:41] <Laney> jibel the developer
[08:41] <Laney> hi seb128
[08:42] <Laney> what up
[08:42] <seb128> hey Laney! how are you today?
[08:43] <jibel> Laney, do you know what calls finish-install.d/07oem-config-user ? the change must go there too I suppose
[08:43] <seb128> I had a nice day off and some good sleep yesterday :-)
[08:43] <Laney> seb128: good! nice climbing yesterday, did some planting and harvesting this morning
[08:43] <Laney> we had some big potatoes growing at home
[08:43] <seb128> did a bit of work in the afternoon and before going to bed so swap some hours out today as well
[08:43] <Laney> who needs anallotment
[08:43] <Laney> oh did you!
[08:43] <Laney> you minx
[08:44] <seb128> hehe
[08:44] <Laney> jibel: not sure
[08:44] <Laney> you see an additional problem?
[08:44] <seb128> Laney, you are not going to London with didrocks&co after all?
[08:44] <jibel> Laney, no but it's exactly the same code in shell
[08:45] <Laney> jibel: oh ok, when's that used?
[08:45] <Laney> I guess that is the question you're asking :P
[08:45] <Laney> seb128: nah, too much travelling
[08:45] <jibel> Laney, I don't know, hence my question.
[08:45] <Laney> jibel: I would ask xnox
[08:46] <jibel> xnox, in ubiquity there is finish-install.d/07oem-config-user, do you know what calls it?
[09:12] <tseliot> Laney: hey, I have a new patch, this time I followed what upstream recommended: https://code.launchpad.net/~albertomilone/gdm/lp1697882/+merge/326426
[09:13] <Laney> tseliot: oh, nice, thanks for continuing to work on that
[09:13] <Laney> will look later on
[09:14] <tseliot> Laney: thanks
[09:27] <Laney> tseliot: maybe you can ping the person you talked to to review in the meantime ;-)
[09:28] <tseliot> Laney: it was you and Daniel van Vugt, but I don't know what his nickname is
[09:29] <tseliot> ah, duflu ^^
[09:29] <Laney> oho
[09:29] <Laney> we're not upstream :P
[09:29] <tseliot> not yet, but I spoke with upstream until yesterday evening
[09:30] <Laney> ah yeah, that's who I meant to ping
[09:30] <tseliot> Ray Strode. He had a look at my patch yesterday
[09:31] <Laney> cool
[09:32] <duflu> tseliot, thanks for that. Although I don't use Nvidia most of the time. Was only the frontend person triaging those bugs
[09:32] <tseliot> duflu: ok, no problem
[09:33] <tseliot> Laney: he said he wants us to discuss the upstreaming process in the bug report. But I did exactly what he recommended. He would also like me to add an IgnoreXorg option to GDM, but that's a separate upstream discussion.
[09:34] <tseliot> I think avoiding
[09:34] <tseliot> *preventing users from crashing things is the priority for us now
[09:35] <seb128> why can't nvidia/kms users use x11?
[09:35] <tseliot> if you log in with nvidia + KMS and X11 all you will see is a dead terminal
[09:35] <seb128> we don't enable kms by default though?
[09:35] <tseliot> seb128: a limitation in NVIDIA's memory allocator
[09:35] <tseliot> nope
[09:36] <seb128> k
[09:36] <tseliot> but if users enable KMS, they should be able to try Wayland without experiencing that problem
[09:38] <seb128> right
[09:38] <seb128> it sucks a bit that they can't log back into an x11 session if they need to
[09:39] <tseliot> yes, they will have to disable, KMS, and reboot
[09:39] <seb128> but if it only impacts users who know what they are doing and opted in to enable kms so no big deal
[09:39] <tseliot> exactly
[09:39] <tseliot> I see it as a technology preview
[09:39] <tseliot> as XWayland won't work either for now
[09:40] <tseliot> but at least users get to experience pure Wayland with NVIDIA
[09:54] <clobrano> hey Trevino, I'm working on bug 1700100 and looking about adding a "darker border" as you suggested, but not satisfied with the result (or I misunderstood something) dim-label has already some default decoration, which seems to work fine in other application (e.g. Nautilus), the problem with Boxes is that the parent background is too dark, so what about adding some light text shadows instead? Something like this http://imgur.com/a/eXpaW
[09:55] <clobrano> also, hi all :)
[10:03] <clobrano> oops, wrong nick. Trevinho ^
[10:03] <Trevinho> clobrano: oh yeah... I like this alot
[10:05] <Trevinho> clobrano: the first one is ok to me
[10:05] <Trevinho> as it has something, but not too strong
[10:05] <Trevinho> go for it :)
[10:05] <clobrano> Trevinho, ok, the first one is actually the current proposal :D, I don't have to do anything
[10:06] <Trevinho> clobrano: oh ahahah, :-D
[10:06] <clobrano> :D
[10:06] <Trevinho> clobrano: anyway, that could be applied to other apps  no?
[10:06] <Trevinho> firefox for example...
[10:06] <Trevinho> what others are?
[10:07] <clobrano> Trevinho, firefox doesn't seem affected by this change. I suspect it's using a different class
[10:07] <clobrano> Trevinho, and thunderbird as well. I should look into their code to see what are they using
[10:10] <Trevinho> #launchpaddown?
[10:10] <Laney> someone on X & current artful want to try a webkit application? e.g. devhelp or epiphany
[10:10]  * Laney gets an X error
[10:11] <jibel> Laney, devhelp works
[10:11] <Laney> whyyyyyyyyy
[10:12]  * Laney turns it off and on again™
[10:14] <Trevinho> Laney: you've to pay a royalty do do that!
[10:15] <jibel> Laney, it works BUT ... /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/webkit2gtk-4.0/WebKitWebProcess crashed
[10:15] <Laney> ah wait
[10:15] <Laney> click on an entry to actually view the contents of a devhelp document
[10:15] <Laney> it doesn't crash, you just don't see it
[10:15] <Laney> well yeah, maybe the backgroudn process crashes but devhelp doesn't
[10:15]  * Laney give Trevinho 1BTC
[10:16] <Laney> that's actually quite a lot isn't it?
[10:16] <Trevinho> Laney: I'm not M$
[10:16] <Trevinho> eh, yeah... I can get them then
[10:16] <jibel> Laney, as I said devhelp works fine
[10:16] <jibel> Laney, I can see the content of the documents
[10:16] <Laney> ok, I realised I forgot to tell you to click into something
[10:16] <jibel> but I've this webkit crash in /var/crash
[10:16] <Laney> anyways it works for me after a restart :(
[10:17] <Laney> wonder what the crash you had was
[10:17] <jibel> I'm uploading it and will try again
[10:22] <jibel> Laney, it crashes on exit
[10:22] <jibel> https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/6b38c1d2-88b5-11e7-be89-fa163ed44aae
[10:22] <Laney> intriguing
[10:22]  * Laney needs a 2fa token to see that and none are nearby /o\
[10:23] <Laney> k, presumably that still needs retracing
[10:24] <jibel> yes, I'll let you know when its done
[10:25]  * jibel -> lunch
[10:29] <andyrock> hey seb128
[10:30] <seb128> hey andyrock
[10:30] <seb128> how are you?
[10:30] <andyrock> can I use git ubuntu clone for update-manager instead of debdiff?
[10:30] <andyrock> just curious
[10:30] <seb128> I think it's still in bzr ?
[10:30] <seb128> talk to bdmurray on #ubuntu-devel
[10:30] <andyrock> kk
[10:49] <tsimonq2> o/ all
[10:50] <tsimonq2> Could I get a review on this from a GNOME guy/gal? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-desktop3/+bug/1703690
[10:51] <tsimonq2> Feature Freeze is today :)
[10:54] <Laney> tsimonq2: ok, I don't understand the gnome-desktop3 patch so please can you explain what that's trying to do more clearly?
[10:55] <Laney> two things on the gnome-screensaver one: in_desktop should probably use g_strv_contains instead of iterating the list and I think you should find (or create) a common file to contain that utility function rather than defining it multiple times
[10:57] <tsimonq2> Laney: Ok, fossfreedom can answer those questions better, I just wanted to get some eyes on it. ;)
[10:59] <fossfreedom> Laney, o/ I can help with any questions.
[11:03] <fossfreedom> For gnome-screensaver it is carrying a patch which reinstates a gsettings key.  Think its a Unity thing but not sure.  gnome-screensaver calls a gnome-desktop3 function.  the function assumes the gsettings path is valid and all keys it interrogates are there.  For GNOME3 the "Unity" key doesnt exist ... and thus segfaults
[11:04] <fossfreedom> to be honest if the gnome-screensaver patch that reinstates that Unity key can be got rid of, the gnome-desktop3 patch is not needed
[11:04] <Laney> which key is that?
[11:06] <Laney> btw, g_object_get () is more convenient when you're using C
[11:06] <Laney> you can get strings out directly
[11:06] <fossfreedom> "draw-background" in path org.gnome.desktop.background
[11:07] <fossfreedom> draw-background doesnt exist in gnome3 - org.gnome.desktop.screensaver
[11:08] <Laney> it's in org.gnome.desktop.background here
[11:08] <Laney> I feel like I'm confused about this
[11:09] <fossfreedom> ok - when you change the screensaver background in gnome-shell it writes the background file chosen into path org.gnome.desktop.screensaver
[11:10] <jbicha> good morning
[11:10] <fossfreedom> gnome-screensaver was written in the days when the screensaver background was previously written to  org.gnome.desktop.background
[11:10] <tsimonq2> o/ jbicha
[11:10] <fossfreedom> so gnome-screensaver never displays the chosen gnome3 screensaver background
[11:11] <jbicha> Laney: should I go ahead and file FFe bugs for gnome-shell and gnome-control-center?
[11:12] <Laney> jbicha: Sure
[11:12] <Laney> I don't know what to do about the armhf thing
[11:13] <jbicha> I understand, and didrocks is busy with the F&F Sprint in London for several days so probably next week to figure out what we want to do
[11:15] <Laney> right
[11:15] <Laney> if we want we can promote a PPA in the weekly newletter or something
[11:15] <Laney> fossfreedom: so someone is calling load_from_preferences with a different schema now?
[11:15] <Trevinho> ouch another theme glitch  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gbrMS0ER/
[11:16] <Trevinho> even when not focused..
[11:16] <Trevinho> clobrano: would you like to have a look on that too? :-)
[11:16] <Laney> I think I'd make a new GSettings in there to look at the old key
[11:17] <fossfreedom> Laney yeah - that patch proposed checks if "budgie-desktop" and calls the method with the newer schema.  load_from_preferences assumes all the keys it checks exists in the schema.
[11:18] <fossfreedom> sorry - gnome-desktop3 itself has a patch that reinstates that "draw-background" key
[11:19] <Laney> fossfreedom: make the is_enabled check use a new GSettings, like GSettings *background_settings; background_settings = g_settings_new ("org.gnome.desktop.background"); bg->is_enabled = g_settings_get_boolean (background_settings, BG_KEY_DRAW_BACKGROUND); g_object_unref (background_settings);
[11:21] <jibel> Laney, the webkit crash is bug 1711838
[11:22] <Laney> thx
[11:22] <fossfreedom> Laney, k - sure.  That's will simply matters.  good lateral thinking!
[11:22] <fossfreedom> simplify
[11:22]  * Laney is a simple person
[11:25] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: sure :) is the problem that white border?
[11:25] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: yeah, and when unfocused it's just squared instead of rounded
[11:25] <Laney> why are there two schemas with a lot of the same keys?
[11:26] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: I see, I'll look at that
[11:27] <fossfreedom> Laney, I can only assume upstream GNOME changed to a newer schema at some-point.  Maybe the old schema will at some-point will be dropped.  speculating.
[11:27] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: thanks a lot
[11:28] <fossfreedom> Laney, or logically - one schema specifically for gnome shell screensaver background... one schema for the desktop background
[11:29] <Laney> yeh maybe
[12:00] <Laney> Trevinho: switches look bad too, same thing?
[12:01] <Laney> there's a more obvious one but I can't remember where it is, so - gnome-tweak-tool -> keyboard & mouse -> click the thing to change the compose key
[12:01] <Trevinho> c-lobrano: ^ :)
[12:01] <Laney> in fact switches just in the UI could look a bit better too I think
[12:01] <Laney> the orange sort of bleeds out
[12:01] <Laney> this is my fault of course when doing the theme rewrite :-)
[12:04]  * c-lobrano is updating the todo list :)
[12:05] <Laney> thanks c-lobrano!
[12:05] <Laney> the theme is a hot potato
[12:05]  * Laney held it for a bit and then passed it on to Trevinho
[12:06] <c-lobrano> Ahaha
[12:07] <Laney> brains are weird
[12:07] <Laney> "oh yeah I'll start a VM to test this thing"
[12:07] <Laney> hit super, type "devhelp" instead of "virt"...
[12:07] <Laney> what is that about
[13:25] <seb128> jbicha, those MIRs can be changed to FFes but we don't have much control on them, unsure which ones would be worth pushing for this cycle, some feel not important
[13:29] <seb128> jbicha, do you have branches/ongoing work for g-c-c and updating the patches or do you need help?
[13:30] <didrocks> jbicha: IIRC, you told that the power button was suppose to be fixed to trigger a dialog
[13:30] <didrocks> that was some weeks ago, is it fixed?
[13:30] <seb128> didrocks, hey! how is London?
[13:31] <didrocks> seb128: same temperature outside that at 7am in Lyon :)
[13:31] <didrocks> otherwise, not rainy, so good :)
[13:31] <seb128> haha
[13:32] <seb128> didrocks, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=62c86c7
[13:32] <seb128> didrocks, it's part of 3.25 which we didn't get yet/is going to be a ffe
[13:32] <didrocks> ah ok! what is the dialog supposed to look like, do you know how I can try it?
[13:33] <seb128> no, the bug has no screenshot
[13:33] <andyrock> mpt in software-properties enabling/disabling canonical livepatch can requires some time (as it can involve downloading/installing the snap, networking, etc.)
[13:33] <seb128> I guess it's easy enough to install the new g-s-d/g-c-c from the ppa though
[13:33] <andyrock> mtp, atm I'm showing a spinner next to the checkbox
[13:34] <andyrock> mtp, but this is not specified on the design at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates?action=recall&rev=221
[13:34] <didrocks> seb128: it's g-s-d providing this dialog I guess?
[13:34] <andyrock> mtp, is a spinner ok for you? or do you have any other solution?
[13:35] <seb128> didrocks, looks like if I read things correctly
[13:37] <seb128> oSoMoN, ricotz, hey, do you have any idea about http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libreofficehttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libreoffice ?
[13:37] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#libreoffice
[13:37] <didrocks> thanks seb128
[13:37] <seb128> sorry copy/paste issue
[13:37] <seb128> didrocks, np!
[13:38] <seb128> didrocks, the new g-s-d is in artful-proposed but seems blocked there because gnome-session is missing on s390x
[13:41] <ricotz> seb128, isn't that caused by poppler being blocked by qtbase-opensource-src ?
[13:41] <jbicha> didrocks: the Power Off dialog is the same as when you press the Power button in the system status menu in GNOME Shell's top bar on the right
[13:41] <jbicha> but the behavior for the hardware Power button is still Suspend by default
[13:42] <ricotz> seb128, failing i386 tests are still caused the kernel/openjdk bug
[13:42] <Laney> but gnome-settings-daemon is built there
[13:42] <Laney> gnome-session*
[13:42] <jbicha> it's part of gsd and gcc 3.26; it didn't seem important to backport since we're working on targeting g-c-c 3.26 for artful soon anyway
[13:42] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/s390x/gnome-session-bin removed
[13:43] <Laney> was there a real reason for that?
[13:43] <jbicha> seb128: I have done no work on porting those 2 disabled gcc patches, I need help with them, the current g-c-c work is in the GNOME3 Staging PPA
[13:43] <seb128> jbicha, do you have a vcs with your work in progress? what sort of issue do you have?
[13:45] <seb128> jbicha, ^ do you about gnome-session?
[13:45] <jbicha> no vcs really right now, kinda waiting for git conversion to push more WIP branches
[13:45] <seb128> I don't see it mentioned in the changelog
[13:46] <jbicha> Laney: oh, removing gnome-session-bin/s390x was likely a mistake as part of the gjs/s390x purge
[13:46] <seb128> you can push to lp:~user/g-c-c/work or something
[13:46] <jbicha> is it possible to retrieve that binary or do we need to do a new upload?
[13:46] <Laney> copy it back
[13:47] <jbicha> copy it from where?
[13:47] <Laney> sec
[13:47] <jbicha> k
[13:48] <seb128> copy-package is for sources only right?
[13:49]  * seb128 let L_aney come up with the magic
[13:49] <Laney> I thought you could use it but I don't see the option right now
[13:49] <mpt> andyrock, mtp is the Media Transfer Protocol. :-) (I got that a lot during the Ubuntu Touch era)
[13:49] <Laney> give me a minute, need to share a screenshot to aday
[13:49] <andyrock> mpt: ops sorry :D
[13:50] <seb128> jbicha, btw versions page updated in case you didn't notice
[13:50] <jbicha> thanks
[13:50] <seb128> yw!
[13:51] <mpt> andyrock, is there any reason that you would need/want to wait for Livepatch to become active/inactive after toggling the checkbox?
[13:52] <mpt> (where by “you” I mean a user, not you the person implementing it!)
[13:52] <andyrock> mpt: I mean I'm a user a click on "Use Canonical livepatch to increase..."
[13:53] <Laney> k, yeah, don't see the option
[13:53] <andyrock> I get no feedback for the next 10 minutes
[13:53] <andyrock> I'll try to click multiple times
[13:54] <seb128> jbicha, Laney, I think it needs a new upload then
[13:54] <mpt> andyrock, you don’t have to wait ten minutes before signing in, right? You can sign in immediately
[13:54] <Laney> just asking in #lp
[13:54] <andyrock> not sign in...
[13:54] <Laney> see what the superiors say ;-)
[13:54] <andyrock> mpt: but enabling livepatch can require some time
[13:55] <andyrock> mpt: e.g. if it's not installed the snap it has to download it etc.
[13:56] <ogra_> just make it async ... set the checkbox immediately ... if there is an error or other issue, uncheck it again and pop up a useful error message
[13:56] <mpt> andyrock, sure, but there’s no reason to sit there watching it. It’s like turning on backups: maybe it’s satisfying to watch the first backup in progress, but you don’t need to.
[13:56] <mpt> Yes, what ogra_ said ^^
[13:57] <mpt> (much more clearly than I did)
[13:57] <ogra_> (but i learned it all from years of working with you ;) )
[13:57] <oSoMoN> seb128, ricotz: there are two failures in i386 autopkgtests, one of them is the infamous kernel/openjdk bug, and the other one is new (and observed on s390x too): /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ljawt
[13:57] <oSoMoN> looking into that
[13:59] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/s390x/gnome-session-bin it's coming back
[13:59] <xnox> btw was removing gdm3:s390x intentional?
[13:59]  * xnox had to tweak systemd autopkgtest
[14:00] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yeah, looks like an incomplete linker line and -L/usr/lib/jvm/default-java/jre/lib/* is missing
[14:05] <andyrock> kk
[14:08] <ricotz> oSoMoN, e.g. https://paste.debian.net/plain/982856
[14:09] <ricotz> .. which obviously isn't working just like that
[14:10] <Laney> meh
[14:12] <Laney> not sure this restoring of gnome-session is going to work, it depends on gnome-shell which was removed as it depends on gjs which is broken
[14:12]  * Laney remembers this stuff from phone/upstart days :(
[14:13] <oSoMoN> ricotz, do you mean you've tested that patch and it's not working?
[14:14] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I pointed out the place where it needs to be fixed ;)
[14:15] <ricotz> basically adding the proper -L... here will fix it
[14:15] <ricotz> strange that amd64 is happy though
[14:15] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yes, that's strange
[14:15] <oSoMoN> ricotz, replacing -ljawt with $(JAWTLIB) as you suggested should work
[14:19] <jbicha> Laney: I think gnome-session-bin does not depend on gnome-shell
[14:20] <oSoMoN> seb128: preparing the patch suggested by ricotz
[14:21] <jbicha> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-control-center/326
[14:21] <Laney> gnome-session does
[14:22] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I am not so sure though
[14:23] <ricotz> oSoMoN, the configure call has nothing to do with that
[14:24] <oSoMoN> ricotz, the configure call is what sets JAWTLIB
[14:24] <oSoMoN> and I'm seeing that in the build log:
[14:24] <oSoMoN> checking for JAWT lib... -L/usr/lib/jvm/default-java/jre/lib/i386 -ljawt
[14:24] <ricotz> but it is not part of the odk test
[14:27] <ricotz> oSoMoN, better try https://paste.debian.net/plain/982862
[14:27] <ricotz> ah no
[14:28] <ricotz> oSoMoN, JAVA_PROC_TYPE is wrong
[14:31] <jbicha> seb128: do you want gnome-desktop3 3.25.91 in artful now with bubblewrap disabled (which breaks the thumbnailer anyway) or should we wait and discuss more later?
[14:31] <oSoMoN> huh indeed, it's set to amd64
[14:33] <clobrano> Trevinho: from where this come from? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gbrMS0ER/
[14:33] <Laney> gnome-session/s390x unsatisfiable Depends: gnome-shell (>= 3.19)
[14:33] <Laney> ubuntu-session/s390x unsatisfiable Depends: gnome-shell (>= 3.24.3-0ubuntu2)
[14:33] <Trevinho> clobrano: evince
[14:33] <clobrano> (y)
[14:37] <clobrano> Trevinho: weird, I don't have those plus and minus buttons, but only something with a similar problem in page number
[14:37] <Trevinho> clobrano: oh sorry not evince... it was image viewer
[14:37] <Laney> if you open a multiple page document in evince
[14:38] <Laney> the x of y thing at the left of the header bar is bad too
[14:41] <jbicha> Laney: I'm confused too because gnome-session and ubuntu-session aren't published for s390x in artful
[14:41] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/artful/s390x/gnome-session
[14:41] <Laney> sure they are
[14:43] <jbicha> maybe my rmadison is a bit behind then
[14:44] <Laney> oh, artful, not artful-proposed
[14:44] <Laney> well, britney doesn't care about that
[14:44] <clobrano> Trevinho, Laney: are you on artful? On zesty and this light-themes package 16.10+17.04.20170406-0ubuntu1 I can't reproduce the issue on image viewer:  http://imgur.com/a/xmjtT
[14:44] <Laney> you don't get to build uninstallable packages
[14:45] <clobrano> well, even with latest light-themes from bzr
[14:46] <Laney> maybe remove gnome-session and ubuntu-session binaries only and arch-restrict those in the source so they don't come back
[14:46] <Laney> clobrano: yeh, on artful/gnome-shell
[14:46]  * clobrano needs a VM then :)
[14:49] <jbicha> Laney: do you want me to try re-uploading without building those for s390x then?
[14:50] <Laney> maybe we can get seb128 or someone to try removing them
[14:50] <Laney> don't actually have to upload as long as the next one doesn't build them
[14:50] <xnox> or fails to build them
[14:50] <Laney> that's an interesting distinction
[14:50]  * Laney fluffles xnox
[14:51] <xnox> ooooh so cute https://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/wallaceandgromit/images/2/29/04007e876c0b46ccaf970c471c7cf4f9a836b0c5_b.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/299?cb=20170605133538
[14:51] <xnox> thanks
[14:51] <Laney> these stupid per arch removals are always annoying
[14:51] <Laney> in 99999 years when all is ash we'll wish we just fixed gjs/s390x
[14:52] <jbicha> Add a Build-Depends on gjs then?
[14:52] <Laney> that was the phone solution
[14:52] <Laney> it became very annoying
[14:53] <oSoMoN> ricotz, if JAVA_PROC_TYPE is wrong, it means that PROCTYPE is wrong, i.e. that PLATFORMID is wrong, i.e. that host_cpu is wrong, i.e. that AC_CANONICAL_HOST produces an unexpected result
[14:53] <jbicha> ricotz: I didn't get around to working with vala this week, you didn't happen to do an archive rebuild of the new version right?
[14:53] <oSoMoN> this is going down way too many layers
[14:54] <ricotz> jbicha, no, just pushed the packages to the vala daily ppa as I mentioned
[14:55] <ricotz> oSoMoN, right, but I would assume the build-hosts are reporting things correctly and therefore this build sources something hardcoded
[14:55] <jbicha> ricotz: are you ok with waiting until 18.04 for new vala then?
[14:55] <ricotz> oSoMoN, note this is part not driven by configure
[14:56] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I am leaning to that config_host.mk(.in) is to blame?
[14:59] <ricotz> jbicha, you know my anwer ;)
[14:59] <ricotz> answer even
[15:00] <jbicha> ricotz: I'm not good at guessing :) if I don't push today then I have to get a FFe which might not be that easy for something low-level like vala
[15:00] <jbicha> but I haven't tested it much yet
[15:05] <ricotz> jbicha, did you had look at the packaging changes?
[15:09] <ricotz> jbicha, basically all gnome driven projects (3.25/36) are built with vala 0.37.x present, so those are fine
[15:27] <oSoMoN> ricotz, there are other incorrect references to x86_64 in the s390x autopkgtest log, UNOPKG_PLATFORM appears to have a wrong value, and it's again caused by PROCTYPE being wrong
[15:28] <oSoMoN> those don't seem to trigger failures, but still
[15:47] <jbicha> Laney: I'll rename the n-m-config-connectivity-debian package to drop the -debian suffix and change the URL to the http ubuntu one now
[15:51] <kenvandine>  didrocks have you snapped anything that uses the thumbnailer?
[15:51] <Laney> jbicha: in Debian too?
[15:53] <jbicha> Laney: well, I'll have to ask mbiebl about that one but I'm hoping he'd be interested in a shorter name
[15:53] <Laney> sure
[15:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yes
[15:53] <Laney> I'm a bit less keen on diverging on the name
[15:55] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I'm wondering whether this isn't to blame, somehow:
[15:55] <oSoMoN> debian/rules:569:PLATFORMID := $(shell grep PLATFORMID debian/vars.$(DEB_HOST_ARCH) | cut -d"=" -f2)
[15:56] <oSoMoN> shouldn't we use DEB_BUILD_ARCH here, in the context of autopkgtests?
[15:56] <jbicha> Laney: also, are you ok with the pkg description for the config pkg? https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/tree/debian/control?h=artful#n288
[15:59] <Laney> jbicha: yes, that sounds nice to me - it's what we already have right?
[15:59] <jbicha> yes, just s/Debian/Ubuntu/g
[16:07] <kenvandine> maybe the thumbnailer is failing because mimetype is NULL
[16:07] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hmm, this should be correct as it is
[16:45] <Laney> Trevinho: https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/6vr33y/fractional_scaling_on_326_any_news/ might want a reply from you :-)
[16:45] <Trevinho> Laney: oh thanks
[16:49] <jbicha> Laney: are you ok with me uploading vala 0.37.90 to artful now?
[16:50] <Laney> no opinion
[16:50] <Laney> is it a transition?
[16:51] <jbicha> yes, new major vala always is, but it's just like 3 GNOME packages affected
[16:51] <Laney> I didn't check what we're on atm
[16:52] <jbicha> 0.36
[16:52] <Laney> k, well, do it if you think it's a good idea - just don't break stuff
[16:53] <amano> jbicha, don't forget gnome-characters as well ;)
[16:53] <oSoMoN> jibel, do you happen to know how tests are run in the autopkgtest infrastructure for i386 and s390x? it appears that the value of DEB_HOST_ARCH there may be amd64, and that's surprising
[16:54] <amano> (Saw your “forgotten MIR“ mail
[16:54] <amano> )
[17:02] <jbicha> amano: are you talking about the gnome-characters MIR?
[17:02] <amano> Yop.
[17:04] <amano> As far I can remember promoting g-c was discussed
[17:04] <amano> ... as far as ...
[17:05] <amano> But maybe no MIR was filed, i cannot remember
[17:06] <jbicha> yes, I was going to do a bit of MIR stuff a bit later today
[17:07] <amano> Yay ;)
[17:07] <Laney> we should only do important things from now imho
[17:07] <Laney> random nice to have things can be deferred
[17:11]  * Laney uploads gnome-software .91 and removes block-proposed
[17:17] <Laney> goodnight, and good feature freeze
[17:18] <oSoMoN> ricotz, seb128, jibel: bug #1712873 tracks the autopkgtests regressions
[17:22] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[17:22] <seb128> night Laney
[17:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ok, I am still blaming LO's buildsys here
[17:26] <ricotz> jbicha, thanks for uploading vala, will take a look
[17:27] <seb128> jbicha, gnome-desktop is fine to upload without bubblewrap imho
[17:28] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yeah, not really sure where the root cause lies yet, please comment on the bug if you have ideas, I'll continue looking into it for a while
[17:31] <ricotz> jbicha, there are some issues
[17:32] <ricotz> serious issues
[17:33] <ricotz> jbicha, dirty diff against my packaging https://paste.debian.net/plain/982903
[17:33] <ricotz> reverse
[17:52] <bdmurray> I just had a gnome-shell crash and now I can only click different tabs in firefox. Is there a way to fix this without rebooting?
[17:52] <bdmurray> I'm on Artful.
[18:12] <jbicha> ricotz: ok, it should be better now, your valadoc.install accidentally included the pkgconfig shipped by the valadoc -dev package
[18:12] <jbicha> thanks for checking my work!
[18:19] <ricotz> jbicha, ah, I see, should be good now
[18:20] <mitya57> bdmurray, try going to a tty and running “DISPLAY=... gnome-shell” there
[18:20] <mitya57> where ... is your display, i.e. :1
[18:23] <jbicha> mitya57: could you upload a version of gnome-flashback without the Orientation and XRANDR plugins in the gnome-session files for gnome-settings-daemon 3.26?
[18:23] <bdmurray> mitya57: Which key combination is supposed to get me to a tty? I never see one
[18:23] <sarnold> bdmurray: control alt f1 ought to do it
[18:23] <bdmurray> that presents me with a lock screen
[18:24] <mitya57> jbicha, sure, will do now
[18:24] <sarnold> f2?
[18:24] <bdmurray> nope
[18:24] <jbicha> GDM uses tty1, and your session is probably tty2, tty3 is probably free though :)
[18:24] <sarnold> :(
[18:25] <bdmurray> what is this? lets change every you thing you know?
[18:25] <jbicha> it makes more sense for the login screen to be on 1 than on 7…
[18:27] <bdmurray> I don't think that's much consolation for people who've been using Ubuntu for a long time.
[18:29] <willcooke> Trevinho, do you know where the close icon is from the U7 shutdown dialog?
[18:30] <Trevinho> willcooke: in unity codebase under icons folder
[18:31] <Trevinho> willcooke: and it's installed in /usr/share/unity
[18:31] <Trevinho> willcooke: what for?
[18:31] <willcooke> Trevinho, we want to steal it for GNOME Shell
[18:31] <willcooke> Trevinho, is it a png?
[18:32] <Trevinho> willcooke: svg
[18:32] <Trevinho> Oh, cool... This is the work I wanted to do too 😊
[18:32] <willcooke> :))
[18:32] <willcooke> what's the filename? I cant find it
[18:34] <willcooke> looks like it's a png to me
[18:34] <jbicha> willcooke: btw, gnome-shell 3.25.91 added log out, suspend, and power off to the Activities Overview if you search for those terms
[18:34] <willcooke> jbicha, sweet! thanks
[18:34] <jbicha> they use symbolic icons which I think are a bit odd
[18:35] <jbicha> so maybe someone there should check it out
[18:35] <jbicha> nothing else in the Overview uses symbolic icons like that
[18:36] <Trevinho> willcooke: oh... Might have not been ported then.. But I've not the code handy now
[18:36] <willcooke> Trevinho, np! thanks
[18:37] <Trevinho> willcooke: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/view/head:/resources/sheet_style_close_focused.svg
[18:38] <Trevinho> And others...
[18:43] <mitya57> jbicha, gnome-flashback uploaded
[19:05] <pisi> I'm wondering, will Shell be upgraded to version 3.26?
[19:09] <jbicha> yes LP: #1712800
[22:34] <snwh[m]> can I get anyone here excited about an icon theme? https://i.imgur.com/ugSR8p0.png
[22:39] <ochosi> wohooo
[22:39]  * ochosi is excited, for realz
[22:40] <snwh[m]> o/ ochosi
[22:41] <ochosi> nice work snwh[m]
[22:43] <snwh[m]> thanks, the Humanity set is less than suited to GNOME shell
[22:43] <ochosi> couldn't agree more
[22:43] <snwh[m]> I also didn't want to see all the work on Suru go to waste
[22:43] <ochosi> i love that you decided to take on this icon style
[22:43] <ochosi> i discussed with some folks in here about adapting it for xubuntu (when there was still going to be a phone)
[22:44] <snwh[m]> I did what I could to push the style when the phone was still a thing
[22:44] <ochosi> yeah, i noticed
[22:45] <ochosi> it's one of the really unique aspects that i instantly loved
[22:47] <snwh[m]> I assume no one internally is working on a desktop icon set xD
[22:49] <ochosi> fair assumption :)


[00:11] <Quix86> xubuntu keeps trying to update zsnes, I don't want it to because the latest version doesn't work on 13.04
[00:11] <Quix86> how do I keep it from trying to update it? These notifications are annoying
[00:12] <Belial`> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-prevent-a-package-from-being-updated-in-ubuntu.html
[00:12] <Unit193> Quix86: Is there a bug reported about it not working?
[00:13] <Unit193> !pinning
[00:13] <Quix86> yeah there's one somewhere
[00:13] <Quix86> cba to look it back up I just want it to not update
[00:14] <Unit193> Sure, good enough for me.
[01:21] <configx> Hey all. Just installed 13.04 and I'm loving it. One minor thing though...how why does bluetooth icon show twice? See what I mean --> http://i.imgur.com/84LUnUO.png
[01:23] <configx> Looks like the black one is in the notification area and the light one is in the indicator plugin?
[01:34] <configx> Nevermind, I figured it out. One was the Blueman applet (light) and the other was the Bluetooth applet (dark). I disabled the bluetooth one.
[02:31] <dunpeal> Hi. I just installed 13.04 on a desktop, but it won't boot.
[02:31] <dunpeal> /dev/sdg1   *        2048    31256575    15627264    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[02:32] <dunpeal> Apparently, "/dev/sdg1" is the boot partition.
[02:32] <dunpeal> Not sure what that even is (it's a new desktop)
[05:32] <xubuntu582> Why doesn't linux ask for my password to login when I start the computer?
[05:32] <Unit193> Because you set it not to when you installed?
[05:33] <xubuntu582> I just changed it so that it is forced to ask for it.
[05:34] <xubuntu582> Looking at it now it says: "Password: Asked on login"
[05:39] <xubuntu582> Nobody knows?
[05:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu582, did you reboot?
[05:40] <xubuntu582> Yes I've tried restarting, shutting down, and logging out and shutting down. Same result
[05:40] <Unit193> Should edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[05:42] <oxez> Hello. I installed 13.04 (x86-64) on a laptop, installation went smooth, except it didn't install any boot loader, and so Windows' is loading up instead of grub. Is there a way to run the grub-install script on the livecd so I don't have to go through the install process all over again? (I assume that under normal conditions, the GRUB setup detects windows partition automatically?) thanks
[05:42] <xubuntu582> [SeatDefaults] autologin-user=user autologin-user-timeout=0 autologin-session=lightdm-autologin greeter-session=lightdm-gtk-greeter user-session=xubuntu
[05:44] <Unit193> oxez: Yep, by using chroot you can install it just fine.
[05:45] <Unit193> oxez: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing
[05:45] <oxez> Unit193: Yea I know I can chroot and do it myself, I should rephrase my question: Is there a script that xubuntu runs to setup grub all automagically that I cxan execute?
[05:45] <oxez> Ah, maybe I'll find something in that page, thank you
[05:46] <Unit193> Sure.
[05:52] <Os_Maleus> hi all!
[05:53] <Os_Maleus> does somebody know how to split a multilayer tiff-file into single picture files (tiff, jpeg or jpg)?
[05:53] <Noob2174> wow....chances of getting a question answered here are good?
[05:54] <cfhowlett> !details|Noob2174,
[05:55] <Noob2174> Very "Simple" I want to be able to type in Chinese in my computer, other computer have a fast toggle between languages...is this something I have to set, or is there a default that I have to click on?
[05:55] <Os_Maleus> correction of my question: does somebody know how to split a multilayer tiff-file into single picture files (tiff, jpeg or jpg) *on the command line*?
[05:55] <Noob2174> SOrry...Xubunu 13.04
[05:56] <cfhowlett> Noob2174, you probably have to install the language pack ... BUT have you consider ubuntukylin?  distro specially designed for the Chinese user ...
[05:57] <cfhowlett> Noob2174, official canonical/ubuntu product, fully supported
[05:57] <Noob2174> cfhowlett I'm an american user...just started learning chinese (& ubunutu) ;) just want ot be able to keep up my srudies on the Xubunut machine
[05:57] <Noob2174> (sorry, spelling)_
[05:58] <cfhowlett> Noob2174, ah.  ok.  i think language packs are in the software center
[05:59] <Noob2174> sweet...I'll go check them out! Thanks for your help! Many good vibes being sent your way! cfhowlett!
[05:59] <cfhowlett> Noob2174, have fun, be safe
[05:59] <Os_Maleus> Noob2174: Keyboard Layouts Plugin is a plug-in for the taskbar, which shows You the activated language output of Your keyboard.
[05:59] <Noob2174> Ahhh....that would be really useful too
[06:00] <Noob2174> [nods to Os_Maleus]
[06:00] <Os_Maleus> I have configured the settings for shortcuts over scripts to change between the keyboard layout.
[06:01] <Noob2174> ah...
[06:01] <Noob2174> I'll look into that as well
[06:03] <Noob2174> Thanks Open Source Gods!
[06:04] <Os_Maleus> no one there with experiences in splitting a multilayer tiff-file into single picture files (tiff, jpeg or jpg) on the command line?
[06:04] <oxez> So after install grub with boot-repair, I'm stuck at the splash screen on the first boot. Surely this is not normal behavior..?
[06:05] <oxez> Pressing up-arrow, and it tried to load  "Bonjour remote printer browsing daemon", nothing else after that
[06:12] <dunpeal> Hi. How do I rename a panel?
[06:12] <dunpeal> e.g. I have a "Panel 2", I'd like to rename it to "Panel 1
[12:49] <silicon> hello. Would anyone be adept in reading bootcharts to reduce boot times ?
[13:05] <Mortvert> Oh hello.
[13:05] <Mortvert> I'm getting 'no route to host' on local network for whatever reason
[14:20] <juan_> hi all, i cant use skype in xubuntu 12. this works only 4 me?
[16:38] <pii3> hi
[16:39] <pii3> i have xubuntu installed
[16:39] <pii3> and ihave all my drivers mounted and i have their icon on my desktop!
[16:39] <pii3> How can i hide theme from desktop?
[16:56] <aiena> Is anyone successfully using gnash with xubuntu 12.04?
[17:05] <Aiena1> I am sortoff irritated with flash atm
[17:05] <Aiena1> brb reboot
[17:29] <b3rz3rk3r> hey guys, im getting tearing on the proprietary nvidia drivers. does anyone know how to fix it?
[17:30] <Belial`> the native compositor doesn't do opengl.
[17:30] <Belial`> the only way to get rid of the tearing is to use something like compton.
[17:31] <b3rz3rk3r> Belial`, only thing that is coming up for that is on arch
[17:32] <b3rz3rk3r> could you give me a howto link?
[17:32] <Belial`> which version of xubuntu?
[17:32] <Belial`> 12.04, 12.10, or 13.04?
[17:32] <xubuntu522> 13.04
[17:33] <xubuntu522> HOW MASTERIZZE ISO FILE IS OVER 700MB?
[17:33] <Belial`> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2144468
[17:33] <b3rz3rk3r> 13.04 Belial`
[17:33] <Belial`> follow that.
[17:33] <b3rz3rk3r> ty
[17:33] <xubuntu522> OK TANKS
[17:33] <pii3> Hi agian
[17:34] <pii3> i sortcut to all my partitions and drives on my xubuntu desktop how can i hide them ?
[17:35] <elfy> settings manager - desktop - icons - select from default icons
[17:37] <pii3> elfy, i have Home, Trash and File system but i can just hide xubuntu file system i have other partition and disk on my computer
[17:38] <Belial`> pii3, what happens when you uncheck removeable drives?
[17:38] <elfy> then select removable devices then
[17:51] <b3rz3rk3r> Belial`, Compton works fantastic! No more tearing! :D
[17:52] <b3rz3rk3r> Belial`, thanks for the help, so happy!
[18:00] <pii3> ahh cool works
[18:00] <pii3> what is the different of desktop and alternate ?
[18:10] <Belial`> b3rz3rk3r, np
[18:37] <Janeks991> good day
[18:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Is there any way (in !Studio btw) to disable the touch pad while typing in XFCE settings?
[18:57] <xubuntu363> Hi all. I need some help please.... My Desktop is now showing the contents of my home folder. Don't know how that happened but would love to revert to my original Desktop folder. Any ideas? Thx
[19:39] <b3rz3rk3r> I've installed openvpn but I'm only seeing PPTP under VPN options in the network manager. How do I fix this?
[19:44] <flux242> b3rz3rk3r: are you missing openvpn plugin for the networkmanager?
[19:44] <koegs> b3rz3rk3r: install network-manager-openvpn
[19:45] <b3rz3rk3r> yup that was the problem, thanks guys!
[20:10] <Aiena> Is there a way to set an alarm/timer to beep in 30 minutes for linux from terminal or do I need an app if so can someone suggest a good one
[20:11] <Sysi> sleep 1800 [vlc|mplayer|aplay] /path/to/file
[20:12] <Aiena> there no system beep?
[20:12] <Aiena> cnat i call sleep 1800 beep(freq)
[20:12] <David-A> Aiena: in terminal:  sleep 30m && printf "\a"  (if motherboard speaker is enabled)
[20:12] <xubuntu376> salve a tutti. ho un problema con skype. esso non si avvia, ma crash. Ho un pc vecchio.
[20:13] <xubuntu376>  Hello everyone. I have a problem with skype. it does not start, but crash. I have an old pc.
[20:13] <xubuntu376> please help me
[20:14] <Sysi> Aiena: it seems there is a »beep« command
[20:15] <Aiena> there was a beep in windows
[20:15] <Aiena> I used to have fun messing with it
[20:15] <David-A> Aiena: if you have sox installed you can use the "play" command and synthesise sounds, e.g. ''play -q -n synth 3 pluck''
[20:16] <Aiena> cool sox seems lightweight
[20:17] <flux242> (sleep 30m; dd if=/dev/urandom | aplay) &
[20:19] <David-A> flux242: will that ever stop playing? (could be a bit annoying)
[20:20] <flux242> killall aplay
[20:20] <Aiena> David-A: flux solution is awesome annoying and easy to rememeber
[20:21] <Sysi> or don't use & just hit ctrl C
[20:21] <Aiena> hmm ctrl c works well to stop it
[20:21] <Aiena> benefits of terminal
[20:22] <Aiena> IU wonder if the noise is bad for the ears though flux242 is white noise generated too?
[20:22] <Aiena> and can i replace /dev/urandom with path to a file?
[20:22] <Aiena> and have it loop over
[20:23] <David-A> Aiena: I assume you will read the man page of play to find out different synth sounds and how to customize freq, duration, fadeout, and such
[20:23] <Sysi> you need to use some player unless you want to hear the raw bytes
[20:23] <Aiena> Thanks
[20:24] <xubuntu376> can you help me
[20:24] <Sysi> piping a file directly to aplay could sound interesting
[20:24] <cesarflores>  vvvvvvvvvvvvv
[20:25] <flux242> check this out http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/tagged/1195/aplay
[20:26] <David-A> Aiena: to play wav and mp3 and things like that, you could use "play", or "vlc" or "mplayer" as suggested above, or "mpg123"
[20:26] <Aiena> play is very powerful
[20:26] <Aiena> David-A: I need your help though
[20:27] <David-A> Aiena: to loop an mp3 forever in mplayer, use ''-loop 0'' option
[20:27] <Aiena> play -n synth sin plays a long even beep which is good enough for this purpose but is there a way to make the beep choppy like an alarm?
[20:27] <Aiena> not sure how that is done
[20:30] <Aiena> is it possible to break up a synth sound the manualjust gives suggested uses but is not very clear
[20:33] <nest34> ls -a
[20:34] <xubuntu376>  Hello everyone. I have a problem with skype. it does not start, but crash. I have an old pc.
[20:34] <David-A> Aiena: try ''play -q -n synth 3 sine 200-400'' then change "200-400" to "400-200", change "3" to "1", and change "sine" to "sawtooth"
[20:35] <Aiena> hmm all play one contiguous sound
[20:36] <Aiena> i want to break up the sound at say one second and have play loop that one second synthesized output with a 1 second delay
[20:36] <Aiena> the manual is very vast
[20:36] <Aiena> *have "play" loop...
[20:37] <Aiena> any suggestions David-A
[20:38] <Aiena> it is like " play -n synth sin (freq)"  for 1 second then 1 second delay then  "play-n synth sin (freq)" again for 1 second in a loop
[20:38] <David-A> Aiena: something like this?   for i in 1 2 3 4; do play -q -n synth 0.8 sine 400-800; sleep 1; done
[20:39] <Aiena> great
[20:39] <Aiena> thanks
[20:40] <David-A> Aiena: change sleep 1 to sleep 0.8, it sounds better
[20:40] <Aiena> oh great so the 0.8 is the time period for the beep great
[20:40] <Aiena> and sleep 1 is the delay
[20:40] <Aiena> awesome
[20:40] <Aiena> and can the for loop be written as for i in 1..4 ?
[20:41] <Aiena> 1 to 4 works
[20:41] <Aiena> :)
[20:42] <David-A> Aiena: bash has a syntax {1..4} that will be expanded to 1 2 3 4, but dont use that for thousands of iterations
[20:42] <Aiena> Ok
[20:42] <Aiena> it doesnt work here for some reason
[20:42] <Aiena> however specifying "for i in 1 to 4"
[20:42] <Aiena> does work
[20:42] <Aiena> sp will stick with that
[20:43] <Aiena> *so
[20:43] <David-A> Aiena: to see what really is happening, try:   for i in 1 to 4; do echo "i = $i"; done
[20:44] <David-A> Aiena: you see, "for i in 1 to 4", does *not* work, not as you expected
[20:46] <Aiena> your write
[20:46] <Aiena> hmm
[20:46] <Aiena> thanks for pointing it out
[20:48] <David-A> Aiena: does this work for you?   for i in {1..4}; do echo "i = $i"; done
[20:48] <Aiena> yes
[20:49] <Aiena> I missed the parentheses
[20:51] <David-A> Aiena: note that the {1..4} syntax only works in bash, not in sh
[20:52] <Aiena> David-A: "sleep 2s && for i in {1..4}; do play -n synth 0.1 sin;sleep 0.1; done"
[20:52] <Aiena> I never knew you could execute a for loop directly from terminal linux is so cool :)
[20:52] <Aiena> thanks
[20:53] <Aiena> ok David-A I am relatively new to linux so still need to learn lots I am not comfortable with sh yet
[20:53] <Aiena> I think the normal terminal is a bash terminal
[20:55] <David-A> Aiena: what the shell in the terminal is, is determined by user settings in /etc/passwd, but in most systems it is bash by default
[20:56] <Aiena> Ok I need to buy a linux book and study it so far I know the basics and what you have taught me !! THanks a lot David-A
[20:57] <David-A> Aiena: "buy a book"? 2013? do you have access to the internet?
[20:57] <Aiena> sox is very good I can jsut syth the sound rather than having to specify a path to a file with vlc etc all the time and its more efficient :)
[20:57] <Aiena> David-A: E books are still bad for heavy reading
[20:58] <Aiena> I still resort to books because of the scroll back scroll forward issue with e books !
[20:58] <Aiena> But FBreader is ok
[20:58] <Aiena> so I can manage ebooks with that
[20:58] <Aiena> but its not so great
[20:58] <David-A> Aiena: not books, not e-books, just web sites with guides, examples, courses, all for free
[20:59] <Aiena> Hmm IRC is great. You've been a lot more help. Searching on google didnt give me the right answer
[20:59] <Aiena> searching for a timer on linux pointed me to a cpu timer event :P
[20:59] <Aiena> I had never heard of sox before I am going to experiment a lot more with it now :)
[21:00] <Aiena> THanks a lot :)
[21:21] <David-A> Aiena: what some more fun? generate graphical plots from numerical data?
[21:42] <xubuntu975> hi! I just want to ask about how long can laptop work from batary?
[21:43] <holstein> xubuntu975: depends on the hardware.. the battery.. the hardware driver support.. what you are doing on the machine, and what is turned on or off, such as wifi/bluetooth
[21:43] <holstein> xubuntu975: i get 6+ hours on my EEEpc, and less than an hour on an older acer
[21:44] <xubuntu975> is it longer then in windows?
[21:44] <holstein> xubuntu975: depends on hardware support
[21:45] <holstein> xubuntu975: for me? i have no idea, since i have not used windows on either of those machine.. but, typically, the hardware is designed to run, and intended to run windows.. thuse with optimized drivers that do power management better than linux can, without similar attention from a vendor
[21:47] <Aiena> David-A: Indeed
[21:47] <Aiena> WOuld love to
[21:49] <xubuntu975> holstein: i see.  i just asked becouse in institute some times should work a lot, and in win my laptop works longer, then kubuntu
[21:49] <David-A> Aiena: can you install "ploticus" from the repos?
[21:49] <Aiena> I'll check !! Just building a package
[21:50] <Aiena> yes David-A
[21:50] <Aiena> I thik so I'll learn linux way faster with tiny exercises like these :)
[21:51] <Aiena> David-A:  Installed
[21:52] <Aiena> ploticus
[21:52] <holstein> xubuntu975: in the future, consider purchasing hardware that is designed and intended to run linux instead of windows (assuming you want to run linux instead of windows, primarily).. something like system76 for example
[21:54] <Aiena> holstein: where do you get good configurations for CG which are completely linux compatible?
[21:54] <holstein> Aiena: CG?
[21:54] <Aiena> computer graphics
[21:54] <Aiena> Say for 3D
[21:55] <David-A> Aiena: are you using a graphical environment? (that is, the terminal is just a window in a windowing system, a desktop system)
[21:55] <Aiena> I am using a graphical environment but I prefer the termi al for most of the core work
[21:55] <xubuntu975> holstein: thanks for advice. i`l be smarte in feature)
[21:55] <Aiena> David-A:  I use xubuntu it leaves a lot of ram for CG etc.
[21:55] <holstein> xubuntu975: my EEEpc was not that way.. i juse bought intel, and had done my research
[21:56] <Aiena> with the xfce desktop
[21:56] <David-A> Aiena: to see boring data in a terminal:  for i in {2001..2010}; do echo $i $RANDOM; done
[21:56] <holstein> Aiena: im not sure about the question.. you mean, 3d hardware? for gaming?
[21:57] <Aiena> hmm yes specifications will be very similar for gaming both need good cpu's and gpu's and truckloads of RAM
[21:57] <Aiena> holstein: Animation
[21:57] <Aiena> like 3d movies (finding nemo) but yes I intend to get a good gpu as well as a good cpu
[21:58] <holstein> Aiena: blender is the tool we have that i know folks do 3d in... i mean, i use other 3d capable applications, such as sweethome3d, but it depends on your needs
[21:58] <Aiena> I use blender a lot (blender.org)
[21:58] <Aiena> holstein: said it at the same time
[21:58] <Aiena> :)
[21:58] <holstein> things like openshot use blender as well, for some 3d effects
[21:58] <Aiena> yeah I need that kind of pc
[21:59] <holstein> Aiena: are you asking about a machine made to run linux that will do 3d graphics?
[21:59] <Aiena> exactly
[21:59] <Aiena> Imean vendors who sell a 100% compatible machine
[21:59] <holstein> Aiena: i would look at system76, and at least get an idea of what is available.. you might find cheaper.. but you likely wont find better
[21:59] <Aiena> thanks
[22:00] <Aiena> holstein: does system 76 sell nvidia gtx 580 cards the 690 cards are good for gaming but not gpu rendering
[22:01] <Aiena> hmm doesnt seem so
[22:04] <Aiena> I could buy that seperate thanks holstein
[22:04] <holstein> Aiena: i would call/email them.. they will be able to provide you information on what you would need... if you want to discuss, we go to #xubuntu-offtopic.. thanks :)
[22:12] <Aiena> David-A: lol
[22:16] <David-A> Aiena: lol? the boring data?
[22:19] <David-A> Aiena: my thinking was repeating the for loop but pipe its output to ploticus. do you know about up-arrow to repeat a previous command?
[22:20] <Aiena> yes
[22:25] <David-A> Aiena: so after the for loop that generates data, append:   | ploticus -prefab vbars data=- x=1 y=2
[22:25] <Aiena> ok
[22:27] <Aiena> David-A: the random function is generating out of bounds data which ploticus cant handle
[22:31] <David-A> Aiena: my ploticus handles it, version 2.41-Mar2009
[22:31] <Aiena> David-A: can you give the full command maybe I am doing something wrong
[22:32] <David-A> Aiena:  for i in {2001..2010}; do echo $i $RANDOM; done | ploticus -prefab vbars data=- x=1 y=2
[22:34] <Aiena> ah works now
[22:34] <Aiena> forgot a tiny element
[22:35] <David-A> Aiena: try again and change "vbars" to "lines" in the command
[22:37] <Aiena> neat
[22:37] <Aiena> David-A: got to sleep good night
[22:37] <Aiena> will have loads of fun later
[22:37] <Aiena> Was a pleasure talking to you
[22:38] <Aiena> take care
[22:38] <Aiena> :)
[22:38] <David-A> Aiena: no, this is as fun as it gets
[22:38] <Aiena> hehe
[22:38] <Aiena> ok ciao
[23:07] <photon> hi. which gcc version is in xubuntu 12.04?


[22:13] <swizgard> reisio: but what happened to steam engines?
[22:13] <reisio> swizgard: pardon?
[22:14] <schultza> all it shows is user@machine:directory, but doesnt change when i ssh or use a program
[22:14] <swizgard> reisio: nothing, i just feel antiquated <:
[22:14] <schultza> i have 3 terminals up and they all say the local user at the local computer in the home directory for the title.
[22:14] <FlashSoul> Ah crap I wrote Grub Repair instead of Boot repair
[22:15] <kiwi_> hi ... i have a huawei usb mobile broadband dongle and it always worked flawless with all my ubuntu boxes. right now i'm chatting over this device. however, today i installed a new 12.04 box and this morning the dongle worked as usual with this machine. but now i came home, started the box and cant connect the mobile broadband anymore with this particula machine. the dongle is recognized by lsusb and is active as shown by blinking led. still, the sim authentic
[22:15] <kiwi_> ation dialog wont pop up for initiating the connection. any idea how i can activate the mobile brroadband connection? sorry for these long explanations.
[22:15] <davidfetter_disq> hello
[22:15] <reisio> hi david
[22:15] <randolph`> FlashSoul: can you see your hard drive when you boot from a live usb/disk?
[22:15] <davidfetter_disq> is there a link for the new kernel for 12.04 lts?
[22:15] <FlashSoul> I can see it but it won't mount.
[22:15]  * davidfetter_disq has heard of it, but no actual info other than its existence
[22:16] <dougl> daftykins, so "apt-get remove grub-efi-amd64-signed"? and the tail command = http://pastebin.com/gFW8zzgB which does not look any more informative
[22:16] <randolph`> hmmm... you might have to manually mount it through the terminal. I'm not exactly sure how to do this.. sorry.
[22:16] <daftykins> dougl: roger that, just checking. yep remove
[22:17] <FlashSoul> Error mounting: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superlock on /dev/sda1
[22:17] <imanc> I have a problem where my ubuntu stalls on the plymouth boot screen.  The last entry in boot.log is re's loading plymouth.  Memcheck is fine, fsck on my /home partition shows no problems.  And I can boot without any issues in recovery mode.  I'm running an Lenovo X1 with integrated intel graphics, and 12.04 ubuntu install as the sole OS.  I'm not seeing anything speciifc in the logs, except reports of CPU overheating.  And occas
[22:17] <dougl> daftykins, hey thanks for making is more comfortable and educating me - appreciate the help
[22:17] <randolph`> FlashSoul: have you tried this? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/recover-bad-superblock-from-corrupted-partition/
[22:17] <FlashSoul> Thanks anyway randolph`
[22:18] <randolph`> yw
[22:18] <daftykins> dougl: no problemo
[22:18] <Phoenixz> For some reason, (as far as I could see, no reason) my PHP went from fine to segfaults only... I was working, out of the blue, boom.. I traced the problem to either the PDO module, or libapache-mod-php5.. The latter, I'm not sure because I first noticed the segfaults on CLI. I tried reboot, reinstall, but when I tried to purge the packages, I got lots of errors on libapache-mod-php5. Status right now is that I cannot apt-get purge libapache2-mod-
[22:18] <Phoenixz> php5 php5, it errors with "ERROR: Module php5 does not exist!" and then it dies. Anybody here know what I could do besides a complete reinstall which is not really an option for me at this (kinda critical, i have people waiting for my work which I cannot finish now) moment?
[22:19] <imanc> Also when it hangs the hard drive indicator shows no activity
[22:19] <dougl> daftykins, worked just as you read... exits clean now - thanks again :)
[22:20] <daftykins> dougl: my pleasure - just be sure to run a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to make sure there's nothing else to go on before you try a reboot
[22:20] <Phoenixz> The only possibly relevant thing I can think of is that a few weeks ago I enabled 32 bit packages (I have 64 bit install), which I remember was required for something I needed to install back then.. I don't know if its relevant, but I also do not recall how to disable this.. Does anybody know how to disable 32 bit repo?
[22:21] <PaRaD0xx> darn, now the CLI isn't even workign again
[22:21] <PaRaD0xx> hmm
[22:21] <PaRaD0xx> only have a share with spaces in it daftykins
[22:21] <PaRaD0xx> I get nt status unsuccessful
[22:22] <daftykins> PaRaD0xx: make a new one? :) that's very odd for it to change its' mind
[22:24] <imanc> any ideas how I can begin fault finding boot problems?
[22:25] <dougl> daftykins, good call...
[22:25] <ResQue> error: "can not find GRLD in all devices" im using wubildr to boot. i tried coping the files from /ubuntu/winboot.wubildr.* to the root c drive but it will still not boot can anyone help
[22:25] <k1l_> davidfetter_disq: you are searching for the enablement stack?
[22:26] <davidfetter_disq> k1l_, possibly. is this recent news, as in about this week?
[22:27] <k1l_> davidfetter_disq: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[22:27] <k1l_> its the backported kernels from raring and saucy etc
[22:27] <davidfetter_disq> k1l_, thanks :)
[22:30] <PaRaD0xx> daftykins: k..changed the sharename to be one word, no spaces
[22:30] <PaRaD0xx> smbclient //....still gets me "nt_status_unsuccessful" now...grr...it was working before
[22:30] <sikilpaake> once i was able to doubleclick a bash.sh script file in nautilus and run it, now i no longer can. how can i bring back that behaviour?
[22:31] <PaRaD0xx> here on the ubuntu box, I can still it even after the sharename change
[22:31] <quidnunc> Why aren't changes to /etc/hosts reflected in firefox/chrome?
[22:32] <daftykins> PaRaD0xx: "dmesg | tail" show anything more useful about that error?
[22:34] <swizgard> still concerning cups. now that i've stopped it, i changed the /etc/cups/printers.conf, but after restarting cups the old settings persist.
[22:34] <PaRaD0xx> o wait...I may have done something stupid
[22:34] <PaRaD0xx> may have accidently connected to the wrong wifi
[22:34] <PaRaD0xx> lemme see
[22:35] <PaRaD0xx> ah ha!
[22:35] <PaRaD0xx> I feel silly
[22:35] <PaRaD0xx> thanks tho ;)
[22:37] <PaRaD0xx> I guess when I rebooted some reason it connected to a different wifi
[22:38] <daftykins> PaRaD0xx: XD
[22:38] <daftykins> PaRaD0xx: all working now?
[22:39] <PaRaD0xx> yeah
[22:39] <PaRaD0xx> <---feels like an idiot
[22:39] <PaRaD0xx> sorry bout that
[22:40] <PaRaD0xx> didn't have that issue on the desktop cuz it's wired
[22:40] <imanc> is there an easy way to record all packages that were installed via apt-get so that i can quickly get a similar configuration on a freshly installed os?
[22:40] <PaRaD0xx> thanks for the help still th
[22:40] <PaRaD0xx> tho
[22:40] <daftykins> PaRaD0xx: no worries - we all get surprises. glad that missing package / share name edit fixed it :D
[22:42] <xDiEZx> Приятной ночи. Кто может помочь с навтройкой Armitage ?> отзовитесь.
[22:42] <Jebus> I was wondering how to uninstall google chrome
[22:42] <funky> hmm Jebus delete it asap
[22:42] <k1l_> !ru | xDiEZx
[22:43] <Jebus> how
[22:43] <funky> Jebus apt-get uninstall
[22:43] <Jebus> thank you
[22:43] <funky> np
[22:44] <itanshi> hello, I've been researching ubuntu server and am interested in what features it has, simply if ftp access, nameserver, and lamp are all preinstalled. I'd assume they are, but assuming i snot wise
[22:44] <crass> anyone have problems using keepassx on saucy?
[22:45] <crass> I've just upgraded, but everytime I open a db the app goes fullscreen
[22:45] <Jebus> it says it cant find it
[22:45] <CormacMcFionn> itanshi I have server installed, and thoes options you can install but not on default
[22:45] <itanshi> ok
[22:45] <CormacMcFionn> for me it works as a file server / jabber server atm
[22:46] <itanshi> i've been trying to add them too a basic ubuntu build, but its not been easy. I was thinking a preconfigured build like tthe server edition would save me headaches
[22:46] <funky> Jebus u got to specify right package name
[22:46] <funky> for it to find it
[22:46] <CormacMcFionn> tasksel is a big help
[22:46] <anon12> adb devices is returning : no permissions on an android phone connected by usb. articles online claim udev is not able to recognize the permissions. I can get info by using udevadm but, creating a file in /etc/udev/rules.d does not change the permissions as it should. What is stopping the permissions from being applied?
[22:47] <CormacMcFionn> server is a striped down Ubuntu with optimized kernal, its not suposed to be used as a desktop replacement
[22:48] <CormacMcFionn> you literly boot to a prompt with no Gui, and build from there
[22:48] <itanshi> sounds a bit past my skill level. i could dual boot my desktop tho
[22:49] <CormacMcFionn> itanshi: what is it your looking to do (with what hardware)
[22:49] <xDiEZx> anyone know's how to configure Armitage?
[22:50] <itanshi> I'd like to run wordpress on my local machine. I dont get autoupdates without ftp access. Not sure why getting ftp setup on my local machine has been a headache
[22:50] <itanshi> i've 12.10 on modest hardware. 2gig ram, 80gig ssd, .9 ghz intel, integrated graphics
[22:50] <CormacMcFionn> Runing a webserver on your desktop (Doesnt know much about wordpress other than it runs on a web server)
[22:51] <itanshi> i have lamp setup, runs fine
[22:51] <itanshi> just no ftp
[22:51] <anon12> itanshi, have you tried setting up ftp from vsftpd?
[22:51] <CormacMcFionn> I havent set up ftp, or secure ftp yet.
[22:51] <itanshi> couple times yes
[22:52] <itanshi> seems they changed their code between 12.04 and 12.10
[22:52] <itanshi> instructions are unclear
[22:52] <anon12> itanshi, did you upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10, or was the computer installed starting at 12.10?
[22:52] <itanshi> upgrade
[22:53] <itanshi> i may do a reformat to 13.10 sometime this year
[22:53] <anon12> itanshi, upgrading is bad luck
[22:53] <itanshi> so, you'd reccomend to go forward with reformat to latest
[22:54] <CormacMcFionn> Definitely a roll of the dice :)
[22:54] <itanshi> i've avoided the 13.04 kernel, heard about hangups on install
[22:54] <anon12> I recommend maintaining your personal files and settings separate so you can back them up and do fresh installs when upgrading
[22:55] <itanshi> i can backup fine
[22:55]  * CormacMcFionn agrees with anon12, lost my #2 drive, stuck with a one HD system and USB drives
[22:56] <itanshi> hmm so partition the root user separate from the rest
[22:56] <anon12> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade always mangles my hdd
[22:56] <anon12> itanshi, yep
[22:56] <CormacMcFionn> the last one went fine, but one before borked my screen
[22:57] <itanshi> well thanks for the support. Anecdotaly, I've royaly messed up an old build with an nvidia driver
[22:57] <itanshi> just retired the tower, got a nice one
[22:58] <anon12> itanshi, I managed to install a nvidia driver on an ATI desktop system by ssh from the desktop out to another computer before
[22:58] <itanshi> cool
[22:58] <anon12> it should not had been possible
[22:59] <anon12> the shell seemed to had run the command on both systems
[23:00] <CormacMcFionn> eww
[23:00] <anon12> anyone familiar with setting permissions in udev?
[23:05] <apb1963> what are people here using for groupware?  The problem is not a shortage, but an overabundance to choose from.  Anyone using anything like zimbra, citadel, egroupware or others?
[23:06] <apb1963> For ubuntu 12.04 of course
[23:07] <apb1963> <taps keyboard>  is this thing on?
[23:07] <CormacMcFionn> depends on what you want to do with groupware
[23:08] <apb1963> CormacMcFionn: Everything!
[23:08] <CormacMcFionn> Then I use Ubuntu :P
[23:09] <apb1963> CormacMcFionn: chat, email, videoconferencing, data sharing, etc. etc.  all web based.  Open source, free.
[23:10] <apb1963> citadel seems to have most of it... but I didn't see videoconferencing
[23:10] <CormacMcFionn> gnome-xchat for chat, Gmail for emale, Hangouts for video confranceing, samba for data shareing localy, ubuntu one for across internet :)
[23:10] <apb1963> It needs to all be integrated into one web based interface.
[23:10] <CormacMcFionn> Google then :)
[23:10] <apb1963> And google products aren't opensource
[23:11] <CormacMcFionn> Well if you want free as in no money all under one roof, google is the least evil
[23:11] <itanshi> well you can use squirrel mail and thunderbird
[23:12] <apb1963> Those aren't groupware as far as i know
[23:12] <itanshi> you can use them to access groupware
[23:12] <CormacMcFionn> group ware is kind of an outdated concept these days
[23:12] <itanshi> sorta
[23:13] <apb1963> CormacMcFionn: how so?
[23:13] <itanshi> there's one i'm trying to remmeber that is well liked
[23:13] <apb1963> I use the term because it seems to include most of what I want.
[23:13] <CormacMcFionn> most people solve particular needs with specific programs tailored to fit there needs. Group ware was a marketing ploy bundling programs together
[23:13] <cliff> Hi everyone.
[23:14] <apb1963> Yes, but the bundle is what I seek... all integrated, functioning together with a web based interface.
[23:14] <itanshi> client console then
[23:14] <cliff> I wanted to upgrade from 12.04LTS to a new long term support distro and was wondering if you guys would be able to recommend one.
[23:14] <anon12> apb1963, every google product has a backdoor and way to track you
[23:15] <apb1963> itanshi: I presume you mean a portal that will allow the launching of separate programs
[23:15] <CormacMcFionn> as I said, out dated, busness are so unique these days people have moved away from bundling
[23:15] <itanshi> amazon has one coming out called workstations
[23:15] <apb1963> anon12: There are numerous reasons why I don't like google, that's just one.
[23:15] <itanshi> backdoor is a difficult term to swallow
[23:15] <apb1963> itanshi: Is it open source?
[23:15] <itanshi> its more like all of their traffic is sniffed
[23:15] <xangua> cliff: 12.04vis the cirrent LTS
[23:15] <xangua> current
[23:16] <anon12> apb1963, Google also fails to see the value in true world domination like Microsoft does
[23:16] <CormacMcFionn> all internet traffic is sniffed by someone
[23:16] <itanshi> yeah i've learned to love the b-bomb long time ago
[23:16] <apb1963> anon12: I disagree... but that's a different conversation I really don't want to get into at this time.
[23:16] <anon12> I gotta go see you later
[23:17] <cliff> that's not good.
[23:17] <itanshi> asana was the softwar eiw as thinking of
[23:18] <CormacMcFionn> Thank NSA for that :)
[23:18] <mozybonz> cliff: if im not mistaken 12.04 is still "long term" as far as security updates and such . just not software.
[23:18] <apb1963> OK, let me rephrase the question...  I'm looking more for a BBS type, webcam, chat, forum and file sharing piece of software... all web based.... and opensource/free.
[23:18] <apb1963> Notes, calendars, email included.
[23:18] <skraito> hi is there any ubuntu off topic channel
[23:18] <skraito> :)
[23:18] <apb1963> And by notes I mean sticky notes
[23:19] <CormacMcFionn> Dont know of any single program that does all that
[23:19] <skraito> wow ubuntu really fly in my new laptop
[23:19] <skraito> it boot so fast
[23:19] <skraito> adios to windows
[23:19] <cliff> This is getting trick now. The reason I wanted to install libusbmux2 and it looks like it is not compatible with 12.04LTS
[23:19] <apb1963> I'd be happy if it had plugins
[23:19] <cliff> Can you guys think of a work around?
[23:20] <skraito> btw anyone wanna join our humble coder hacker team ##0x71 ?
[23:20] <apb1963> itanshi: Thanks, I'll take a look at asana... maybe it's the cure
[23:20] <th0r> cliff: download the source and compile it yourself
[23:20] <skraito> no satan church nor hater of Jesus Christ nor 0x81
[23:20] <itanshi> i think sublime is finally compatible with evernote
[23:21] <cliff> i'll give it a try.
[23:21] <cliff> Thanks
[23:23] <apb1963> itanshi: Looks interesting... but it appears  more like a project management type software which while definitely useful.... isn't quite what I had in mind.
[23:23] <itanshi> k
[23:25] <apb1963> express.paltalk.com is a vague, half-hearted attempt at what I want... but it has some of the basics.
[23:27] <skraito> guys what is ide or text editor for c and perl
[23:27] <apb1963> It has the videoconferencing, chat & forums features, email... I think it has the data sharing but not sure.  It lacks the calendar, sticky notes and most of all... I have no idea where to get the source code for it.
[23:27] <skraito> guys what is ide for text editor for c and perl
[23:27] <apb1963> It's probably proprietary.
[23:27] <itanshi> notepad
[23:27] <itanshi> terminal
[23:28] <apb1963> You have to understand... it's going to be used by non-technical users... so it all needs to be simple... and integrated.
[23:28] <itanshi> there's no dedicated one, most will work, sublime and gedit have color coding
[23:28] <itanshi> netbeans will work too
[23:28] <apb1963> ok, well thanks for your suggestions anyway you all. :)
[23:29] <itanshi> yeah i'd have to delve into software comparisons to find more info, apb
[23:29] <bunduru> hello
[23:29] <itanshi> just trying to install the entire developer suite for wordpress on local host atm
[23:29] <apb1963> yeah, I understand
[23:29] <itanshi> ah southpark fan
[23:29] <itanshi> shoudln't you be in line?
[23:30] <itanshi> :D
[23:30] <bunduru> hehe
[23:31] <apb1963> In case anyone is on the same quest....   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_collaborative_software
[23:31] <apb1963> There's buttloads there.  too much.
[23:34] <bunduru> is it possible to tunnel the built in desktop sharing through ssh?
[23:34] <itanshi> pretty sure
[23:35] <bunduru> because security options only ask for a password
[23:36] <bunduru> oh crap my bad
[23:37] <bunduru> found the info... the title mislead me
[23:37] <bunduru> had vnc on it
[23:41] <rodney77> hi, i have a tv tuner card, a Theater 550 Pro and i cant get it to work with ubuntu
[23:42] <rodney77> this says it's not yet supported but i dont know if this is up to date: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD
[23:43] <rodney77> i tried gatos but it didnt find my card: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/supported_cards.php
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> rodney77, I would try and contact people would actually know if you get no help here, or buy a supported card.
[23:47] <wilee-nilee> who*
[23:47] <minimec> rodney77: Do 'lsmod' in a terminal once. Do you have anything similar like this 'cx2388x' loaded?
[23:48] <wilee-nilee> sort of 3rd party all the way through.
[23:48] <rodney77> minimec, 1sec
[23:49] <rodney77> minimec, no
[23:53] <minimec> rodney77: Older TV cards used the 'bttv' driver; newer once the 'cx88'; some (with hardware encocoder) the 'ittv' driver. Also I found a link that lists it as unsouuprted. Also there is a thread (2006!) on a mailinglist... http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg28950.html
[23:54] <schultza> anyone else having issues connecting to ppa.launchpad.net for updates?
[23:54] <k1l> schultza: make sure that PPA is fine
[23:55] <minimec> rodney77: I am not very optimistic for that card. On the other hand, it should be easy to find an analog TV card that uses the bttv driver. Just have a look on ebay. They should be rather cheap.
[23:55] <kali_eskrima> Hi does anyone know and help me to guide me trough to network manager removal and changing ssid name?
[23:55] <minimec> schultza: They are struggeling for almost a week now...
[23:55] <schultza> too much activity?
[23:56] <kali_eskrima> tgus would be due the the wireless problem on my 12.04 lte which keeps more not working than working.
[23:56] <minimec> schultza: I think it started with a 'blackout'
[23:56] <rodney77> minimec, thanks for the tip. I guess i'll give up on this card and look for a new one... unless it's worth trying the bttv driver anyway
[23:56] <schultza> and its not just one of my ppa, all of them are not working from that location... before they were working. so im assuming there is either a change or a falt on their end
[23:56] <schultza> ouch. computers and blackouts suck
[23:57] <kali_eskrima> who did the blackout on launchpad? maybe too much watching of the tv series "revolution" :)
[23:58] <shambat> debian
[23:58] <rodney77> this: http://git.linuxtv.org/media_tree.git/blob/HEAD:/Documentation/video4linux/CARDLIST.bttv lists ati tv-wonder. lspci lists this: Multimedia controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Theater 550 PRO PCI [ATI TV Wonder 550] (minimec)
[23:59] <kali_eskrima> arent they under the same umbrella?


[03:20] <skellat> https://identi.ca/alpacaherder/note/IaLIqVErR8yCyoUgwpFWTA
[03:20] <jenni> [ note by Stephen Michael Kellat - Identi.ca ] - https://j.mp/16zt5Co
[03:21] <skellat> Hmm.  Not really descriptive by jenni there.  Then again, pump.io isn't really descriptive as to it either.
[03:22] <Unit193> s/jenni/title/
[16:45] <Unit193> yano: wxbot broken?