[07:57] <highvoltage> pips1: i did it like they say you should in drupal docs. 1) basically do a new install, 2) point to database, 3) run /update.php
[07:57] <pips1> right
[07:57] <ere> highvoltage: I think I have tried that, how can I confirm that the module is really loaded?
[07:57] <highvoltage> which worked fine locally, and on another remote server running FC5, but not on the edubuntu server :/
[07:57] <pips1> hmm
[07:58] <cbx33> highvoltage, I belive error reporting must be turned off
[07:58] <cbx33> in php
[07:58] <highvoltage> ere: you can 'sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd' on the server, and set a root password
[07:58] <cbx33> what about turning it on for just drupal
[07:58] <highvoltage> ere: then you can press ctrl+alt+f1 on a thin client, log on as root, and use lsmod
[07:58] <cbx33> to see what the issue is?
[07:58] <cbx33> I mean 4.7 is preferable is it not?
[07:58] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm not following you...
[07:59] <ogra> ere, SOUND=Y works ? are you sure you are using ubuntus ltsp-server package ?
[07:59] <cbx33> well, you can set php environment variables in a php script
[07:59] <ogra> (its not supposed to work with Y)
[07:59] <cbx33> my idea was to add a line o the drupal install to show us the error
[08:00] <ere> ogra: erhm, maybe it was something else, I don't remember exactly. I experiment with LTSP at work and not at home where I'm now.
[08:00] <ere> ogra: but I use ltsp-server
[08:01] <ogra> ere, SOUN=True or SOUND=False are what we use in ubuntu ... a boolean variable should use boolean values ;)
[08:01] <ogra> *SOUND=True indeed
[08:01] <pips1> cbx33, yes, 4.7 is definitely preferable
[08:02] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33 so what are the problems with the drupal setup on the live server at the moment? a) theme broken b) file attachments don't work and what else?
[08:03] <cbx33> that's it as far as I can see
[08:03] <pips1> right
[08:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: can you try uploading a file again? i've changed permissions. that should be a minor issue.
[08:03] <highvoltage> the theme is a bit more important for me right now
[08:03] <cbx33> ok
[08:03] <cbx33> hang on
[08:04] <pips1> re a) highvoltage what did you do to fix the theme?
[08:04] <highvoltage> pips1: well, non of the phptemplate themes work on the live site, so right now we're using a very simple theme
[08:04] <cbx33> done :p
[08:05] <pips1> ah, got you
[08:05] <highvoltage> pips1: i initially thought it was just the spreadfirefox theme that had some strange stuff in it, but then i noticed the same problems with friendselectric
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: done? the upload?
[08:05] <cbx33> yup
[08:05] <highvoltage> great
[08:06] <pips1> you have to install the template engine
[08:06] <pips1> ?
[08:06] <highvoltage> pips1: any suggestions / ideas?
[08:07] <pips1> hold on, I'm trying to remember what i did...
[08:07] <pips1> you installed the phptemplate engine on 4.6 to be able to use spreadff, is that correct?
[08:07] <cbx33> highvoltage, phptemplate is included by default I thought
[08:07] <pips1> cbx33, it wasn't the default in 4.6, AFAIK
[08:08] <cbx33> no but in 4.7 it should be
[08:08] <pips1> yes
[08:08] <cbx33> I thought I read...I'm not sure, but I think
[08:08] <pips1> yes, I think you are right
[08:10] <pips1> hmm, since I can look on the filesystem on the server, and since my own drupal install died with my harddisk (it was a crappy 5 years old hd), i'm walking a bit in the blind here
[08:10] <pips1> s/since I can/since I can't
[08:10] <highvoltage> sorry, lost my connection there
[08:10] <pips1> hmm, since I can't look on the filesystem on the server, and since my own drupal install died with my harddisk (it was a crappy 5 years old hd), i'm walking a bit in the blind here
[08:11] <cbx33> well my drupal install is but a power button away
[08:12] <highvoltage> well, it's not all that exciting :/ a standard drupal installation with a standard phptemplate theme
[08:12] <pips1> I can only make blind guesses :-/ was drupal 4.7 installed *over* the same directory where drupal 4.6 was before? (that might explain a broken phptemplate install)
[08:13] <cbx33> I thought highvoltage said he did a fresh install?
[08:13] <pips1> cbx33, he did indeed
[08:14] <pips1> sorry, just poking around in the blind ;-)
[08:14] <pips1> oh dear
[08:14] <pips1> highvoltage's connection is shaky
[08:15] <cbx33> np pips1
[08:16] <cbx33> highvoltage, happy for me to move UbuntuLTSPTour to UbuntuLTSP/Tour
[08:17] <pips1> well, my guess is that the phptemplate install directory changed, since 4.7 now uses it by default, and that the "old" theme is pointing to the wrong directory, or smth. but as I said, this is just blind assumptions
[08:17] <cbx33> true
[08:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: i have some hardlinks to that, like a comment in launchpad that i can't change
[08:18] <highvoltage> pips1: if you can instlal it on a breezy machine, that would be great
[08:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, a redirect ok?
[08:19] <pips1> on a breezy machine? oh, ok, I could do that. but I wanted to use my dapper test server. why do you want me to do it on breezy?
[08:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, that's cool then
[08:20] <highvoltage> pips1: that's what's running on the edubuntu server. if you'd like to reproduce that environment, then a breezy server would be best. but if you want to install on dapper, nothing wrong with that either :)
[08:20] <pips1> ok, I see
[08:20] <cbx33> highvoltage, the only thing I can think of is addind something like
[08:20] <cbx33> set(error,"E_ALL")
[08:20] <cbx33> or what ever the command is
[08:20] <cbx33> I fforget
[08:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: where do i set that?
[08:21] <cbx33> you'd actually have to edit one of the pages
[08:21] <pips1> ok, I see what I can do to get drupal installed to investigate this theme brokenness...
[08:21] <cbx33> like one of the first php files that is called
[08:22] <LaserJock> ok, reading tons of backlog
[08:22] <pips1> highvoltage, will you be around in the next four days?
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't think the help.ubuntu.com wiki will be closed
[08:22] <highvoltage> pips1: yep
[08:22] <pips1> great
[08:22] <highvoltage> pips1: especially over the weekend
[08:23] <pips1> ok, noted
[08:23] <ogra> LaserJock, help.ubuntu.com will be filled from svn, no ?
[08:23] <highvoltage> pips1: and evenings
[08:23] <highvoltage> pips1: during daytime i'm pressed with tuxlab stuff
[08:23] <LaserJock> ogra: no
[08:23] <pips1> I need to negotiate with my wife :-) but I'm hoping to get some play time ;-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: help.ubuntu.com/6.06 will be from svn (the docs that are shipped with (K)ubuntu
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: help.ubuntu.com/wiki will be just like the current wiki, but only for user documentation
[08:24] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33 talk to you later!
[08:24] <cbx33> ok pips1
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: help.ubuntu.com/wiki is what we are moving the docs to
[08:24] <pips1> bye
[08:24] <highvoltage> pips1: cheers!
[08:24] <cbx33> highvoltage, did that idea sound any good?
[08:24] <ogra> LaserJock, and every random user can add stuff like in the current wiki ?
[08:25] <LaserJock> ogra: I believe so
[08:25] <ogra> so why do we keep wiki.ubuntu.com then ?
[08:25] <LaserJock> for development and spec
[08:26] <ogra> hmm ... thats a massive duplication ... you wont get users to only use one or the other for docs i guess
[08:26] <LaserJock> ogra: the point was, people should go to help.ubuntu.com for documentation, wheither that be HTML or wiki
[08:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: which one, the log one?
[08:26] <cbx33> the php one
[08:26] <cbx33> tbh I think it's going to confuse a lot of people
[08:27] <cbx33> I've been here 2 months and I still don;t know where everything is
[08:27] <highvoltage> what is?
[08:27] <ogra> LaserJock, i also fail to see the point of the 3 months of work we did to get ed,k,ubuntu wikis use the same wiki
[08:27] <cbx33> sorry highvoltage was jusmping in on the doc/wiki band wagon
[08:27] <ogra> since that seems pointless now
[08:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: that's something that we'll hopefully have fixed real soon :)
[08:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, that's fine, it's all connected
[08:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: since we'll have a doc.edubuntu.org drupal page at some point too, after we get over some teething problems ;)
[08:28] <LaserJock> ogra: certain core docs will be only editable by doc team people
[08:28] <cbx33> http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/function.ini-set.php
[08:28] <ogra> LaserJock, lest see how it works out ... i dont see the advantage yet
[08:28] <LaserJock> ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs is the spec if you want
[08:28] <highvoltage> ogra: merging the edubuntu wiki wasn't worth the work, in my opinion.
[08:29] <ogra> highvoltage++
[08:29] <cbx33> ini_set('error_reporting','E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE'
[08:29] <cbx33> )
[08:29] <cbx33> perhaps
[08:29] <LaserJock> ogra: basically, if you want help you should go to help.ubuntu.com, not help.ubuntu.com + wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <cbx33> and
[08:29] <cbx33> ; - display_errors = On
[08:29] <cbx33> but i nthe ini_set format
[08:30] <LaserJock> and wiki.ubuntu.com has a mix of user documentation and specs, and developer work
[08:30] <ogra> yep
[08:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: hold that thought, brrb
[08:30] <cbx33> np
[08:30] <ogra> i see *your* (docteams) point, but i dont agree from a user pov :)
[08:30] <ogra> (as i didnt for the wiki merge)
[08:30] <LaserJock> ogra: I actually am the other way around
[08:31] <LaserJock> I don't see it from the doc team member point of view, but I see it as a user pov
[08:31] <LaserJock> well, I see it less from the doc team point of view, I should say
[08:32] <LaserJock> as a new user, I hated that I had to go all over *.ubuntu* to find help
[08:32] <LaserJock> we will have 1 url to remember, help.ubuntu.com
[08:32] <LaserJock> plus it alows for much better searching
[08:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, may i as k again how people will update it
[08:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: just like the current wiki
[08:33] <cbx33> so we will have 2 wikis?
[08:33] <LaserJock> no
[08:33] <LaserJock> and yes
[08:33] <LaserJock> we will have 1 user documentation wiki and 1 development + specs wiki
[08:34] <cbx33> supersition of states ??? :S
[08:34] <cbx33> you don;t know what wiki you'll get till you observe it :p
[08:34] <LaserJock> but for now it I think it is just a copy + redirect
[08:34] <cbx33> riight
[08:36] <LaserJock> anyway, I don't know all the in's and out's of this thing, but there was a spec and it was approved and we got a server for it
[08:36] <LaserJock> the actual move should happen fairly soon as we want everything in place for the release
[08:36] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock
[08:37] <cbx33> please don;t hink I was attacking you :p
[08:37] <LaserJock> no, not at all
[08:37] <LaserJock> I had lots of reservations about it to begin with to
[08:37] <cbx33> just confuses me, i suppose cos I've just got settled with moin and the wiki
[08:38] <LaserJock> yeah, change always makes people who know the current system uneasy
[08:38] <LaserJock> ogra: and btw, I've been working on testing using bzr for the doc team
[08:39] <cbx33> but can see that the lp integration would be good
[08:39] <cbx33> so I'll let that one slide :p
[08:39] <LaserJock> I like both
[08:39] <ogra> LaserJock, and ?
[08:39] <ogra> ah :)
[08:39] <LaserJock> ogra: well, at this point it isn't ideal. we would have to change our workflow quite a bit
[08:40] <LaserJock> basically it came down to, slowness and needing space to publish
[08:40] <ogra> it makes merging soo much easier
[08:41] <LaserJock> we don't really do a lot of merging
[08:41] <cbx33> svn access would make my life easier :p
[08:41] <LaserJock> somew cases when there is rapid development (ESA for instance) it is a bit tough
[08:42] <LaserJock> but for the most part we have a couple doc team members for each doc and contributors just send patches
[08:42] <cbx33> seems to work ok....
[08:42] <cbx33> apart from my getting-started page :p
[08:42] <LaserJock> I liked the idea of being able to split the repo up, but that would take a lot of retooling
[08:44] <LaserJock> anyway, I do have a bzr branch on doc.ubuntu.com for people to test with
[08:44] <LaserJock> but I found it soooo slow to do anything, or I had to do a lot of work to get things to work right
[08:45] <LaserJock> but I'm hopeful that in the future we can move to LP/bzr
[08:45] <LaserJock> I love bzr for local revision control
[08:47] <ogra> yeah
[08:48] <LaserJock> but it seems really clunky to me for remote stuff
[08:50] <cbx33> evenin HedgeMage
[08:50] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33
[08:50] <HedgeMage> good morning :P
[08:51] <LaserJock> I spent a couple hours with lifless trying to figure out how to use it, and I'm about the most bzr-literate of the doc team
[08:52] <lucasvo> LaserJock: it takes hours but it works very easy with sftp
[08:53] <cbx33> that's my only issue with it is that it's very very slow
[08:53] <blue-frog> sry where has gconf editor menu gone pls?
[08:53] <LaserJock> lucasvo: if you have a public place to sftp too
[08:53] <ogra> blue-frog, alt-f2
[08:53] <blue-frog> raah
[08:53] <blue-frog> ty
[08:54] <blue-frog> so it's simply gone :)
[08:54] <ogra> yep
[08:54] <ogra> as every other "non user related" item
[08:54] <LaserJock> lucasvo: the problem for the doc team is having a place where people can publish branches
[08:54] <LaserJock> and do it efficently
[08:55] <cbx33> give me svn + webdav
[08:55] <lucasvo> LaserJock: isn't there a LP supermirror?
[08:55] <cbx33> i can do it from behind a proxy then :p
[08:55] <lucasvo> cbx33: as well as bzr+webdav
[08:55] <cbx33> indeed
[08:55] <cbx33> didn;t know that was available
[08:55] <ogra> lucasvo, not done yet ... but it should come soon
[08:55] <lucasvo> LaserJock: in that case ask canonical to add a user for the docteam
[08:56] <lucasvo> ogra: too bad
[08:56] <ogra> lucasvo, its huuuge, it requires hundrets of terabytes of imports first ..
[08:56] <ogra> thats going on since hoary ...
[08:57] <LaserJock> lucasvo: they problem is non-docteam members
[08:57] <lucasvo> yup
[08:57] <lucasvo> just give them access as well :)
[08:58] <LaserJock> for doc team people we can give them space, but for the random contributor it is a bit much to ask for them to publish a ~150MB branch all the time
[08:58] <cbx33> LaserJock, I agree
[08:58] <LaserJock> lucasvo: that would be like us opening Main to anybody who wants to upload a package ;-)
[08:58] <cbx33> whist I love contributing
[08:58] <cbx33> I don't have the space for hat right now
[08:59] <cbx33> do it do it do it
[08:59] <cbx33> :p
[08:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm still holding that thought....but it's getting wriggly now :p
[09:00] <lucasvo> LaserJock: yup
[09:01] <LaserJock> if we could split the repo up into chunks it would at least be more managable
[09:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm getting some help from the druapl channels...
[09:01] <cbx33> ok
[09:01] <cbx33> is it working
[09:01] <cbx33> :p
[09:02] <cbx33> mind if I sit in too?
[09:02] <cbx33> #drupal?
[09:02] <LaserJock> ok, stupid question. where is the edubuntu drupal stuff? is that www.edubuntu.org?
[09:03] <cbx33> yes
[09:04] <LaserJock> k
[09:05] <cbx33> brb
[09:14] <LaserJock> ogra: have you seen freeduc before?
[09:15] <ogra> LaserJock, we had cotacted ofset back when we had the edubuntu summit, but they didnt want to come iirc
[09:15] <LaserJock> I was reading through the Knoppix Hacks book I bought some time ago and they mention it
[09:16] <LaserJock> they give a little listing of the apps
[09:17] <cbx33> but want to move it to ubuntu
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: Ichthux might move to kubuntu
[09:18] <cbx33> yeh we thought about jubuntu too
[09:18] <HedgeMage> I haven't been in #drupal and #drupal-support lately, I should put them back on my autojoins
[09:20] <LaserJock> I don't know anything about drupal, but that isn't anything new.
[09:20] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:21] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I've been doing drupal stuff for ages :)
[09:21] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I love drupal!
[09:21] <LaserJock> I am slowly resigning myself to the fact that I will never even approach the knowledge I want
[09:21] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:21] <HedgeMage> but isn't trying fun?
[09:22] <LaserJock> sort of
[09:22] <LaserJock> frustrating and discouraging mostly at this point
[09:22] <HedgeMage> :(
[09:22] <cbx33> LaserJock, me too
[09:23] <LaserJock> I currently spend my time bouncing between the Doc Team, MOTU, and Edubuntu, but never *really* knowing any
[09:23] <cbx33> yeh right LaserJock
[09:23] <cbx33> you know more than I :p
[09:23] <cbx33> well,m iun the areas I want to know about :p
[09:25] <LaserJock> but I don't want to abandon any of them
[09:25] <LaserJock> so I have to figure out some way of creating a 36 hr day
[09:26] <cbx33> LaserJock, oh do share :p
[09:27] <cbx33> may start to redreaft the ltsp front page :D
[09:27] <HedgeMage> bbl, TT needs me
[09:29] <LaserJock> actually, my biggest issue is making the time I do have more efficient
[09:35] <crimsun> LaserJock: welcome to academia.
[09:35] <crimsun> RE: "I am slowly resigning myself to the fact that I will never even approach the knowledge I want"
[09:36] <crimsun> the first step is to admit that you will never know very much of anything much less everything about nothing
[09:40] <LaserJock> I'm there man
[09:43] <cbx33> new meeting minutes up
[09:43] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[09:44] <ogra> cbx33, i'm missing a link to http://www.progbox.co.uk/jane.jpg
[09:44] <cbx33> yikes how did I miss that
[09:44] <cbx33> sorry ogra
[09:44] <cbx33> apart from that does it sound ok
[09:45] <ogra> "reported the jelkner"
[09:45] <ogra> "reported that jelkner"
[09:45] <ogra> "people to look at the very hard before the release"
[09:45] <ogra> "people to look very hard before the release"
[09:46] <LaserJock> yeah, to bad I didn't know we were having a meeting (I'm not sure I could have made it anyway)
[09:46] <ogra> else its all fine from my POV
[09:47] <cbx33> done and changed
[09:47] <LaserJock> ogra: by "ogra - made a plea for more developers to help with edubuntu" do you mean core-devs or MOTUs or ...?
[09:48] <cbx33> ogra just said developers in general
[09:48] <ogra> people with knowledge and upload privs
[09:48] <cbx33> but if you want to specifiy ogra we can change it
[09:48] <cbx33> I'll add that
[09:48] <ogra> or people who just send patches etc
[09:48] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:49] <ogra> i.e. Yagisan once sent me a small patch that grew several heads later and became our multiarch support in ltsp ...
[09:49] <LaserJock> yeah, Yagisan is awesome
[09:49] <ogra> he has no upload provs and is no packager but it was a very valuable dev contribution
[09:49] <ogra> *privs
[09:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:51] <LaserJock> I want to get my toes a little wet with Python
[09:51] <cbx33> aww
[09:52] <cbx33> me too me too
[09:52] <cbx33> actually I have a little project that I'm goign to work on.....but not sure how useful it will be for edubuntu
[09:52] <cbx33> hey highvoltage2
[09:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: maybe a joint Edubuntu python adventure? ;-)
[09:52] <highvoltage2> chey cbx33
[09:52] <highvoltage2> problem sorted :)
[09:52] <cbx33> LaserJock, I would actually love that
[09:53] <cbx33> I love working with people on things
[09:53] <cbx33> what was it in the end?
[09:53] <cbx33> highvoltage2 Heine: thanks, it was the theme's sidebar content settings all along. thanks for all your help and patience!!!
[09:53] <cbx33> :D:D:
[09:53] <cbx33> yazooo
[09:53] <highvoltage2> the theme can override block settings, so i had to edit it at: http://www.edubuntu.org/admin/block/list/edubuntu
[09:54] <highvoltage2> i can't believe it was that simple
[09:54] <cbx33> hehe
[09:54] <cbx33> sometimes it really is :p
[09:54] <ogra> wow, looks cool
[09:54] <ogra> the bottom needs some love thouhg
[09:54] <highvoltage2> ogra: still work in progress
[09:54] <ogra> yep
[09:55] <LaserJock> ohhh, edubuntu.org hotness :-)
[09:55] <ogra> but still, LOOKS REALLY COOL !
[09:55] <highvoltage2> ogra: yeah, but edubuntugirl said we should put it up already
[09:55] <highvoltage2> ogra: thanks :)
[09:55] <ogra> :D
[09:55] <bluefrog-10> raah edubuntu "normal" cd is a noo no to install on my sony laptop :(
[09:56] <ogra> normal ???
[09:56] <highvoltage2> cbx33: if you want a copy for your local installation, you can get it at http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/edubuntu.tar
[09:56] <cbx33> nicely done highvoltage2
[09:56] <cbx33> wicked :)
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> normal compared to install from livecd
[09:56] <cbx33> LaserJock, seriously keep me in mind for your python project :D
[09:56] <ogra> bluefrog-10, our install CD is your "normal" CD
[09:56] <highvoltage2> yay!!!! someone else thinks that d-i is normal as apposed to espresso!
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> ogra yes
[09:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude, I need a project, you got anything in mind? :-)
[09:57] <ogra> bluefrog-10, depending on architecture the liveCDs are broken ... wait for the next build (in 1.2h)
[09:57] <cbx33> well I have a very small project I was going to work on
[09:57] <ogra> *1-2
[09:57] <cbx33> would be happy to work on it with you if you think it's useful
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> black screen at 59%, can't switch console, but cd still running from time to time and there is HDD activity.  that is using edubuntu install cd.. Installing from livecd works perfectly on the other hand on same laptop
[09:59] <bluefrog-10> and i rsync edu install cd 2 hours ago
[09:59] <ogra> bluefrog-10, at which speed tot you burn that CD ?
[09:59] <ogra> *did
[10:00] <bluefrog-10> don't remember but at 10 i would presume with k3b, choosing verify cd at boot prompt tells me cd is fine
[10:00] <bluefrog-10> 10 cause RW
[10:00] <ogra> i usually recommend 8x max ... but 10 might still work ...
[10:02] <bluefrog-10> going to burn another brand just in case
[10:03] <bluefrog-10> at 8
[10:03] <bluefrog-10> now i have to overburn but did the same with livecd so..
[10:04] <ogra> hmm, that might be different ... te liveCD uses squashfs
[10:04] <bluefrog-10> *looking for 800MB blank CD desperately*
[10:05] <bluefrog-10> *ah ah going to download DVD, no need to overburn :)*
[10:06] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: 800MB blank cd?
[10:06] <bluefrog-10> :)
[10:06] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: how big is your edubuntu cd?
[10:07] <bluefrog-10> iso as per 2 hours ago 694
[10:07] <bluefrog-10> cd 700
[10:08] <ogra> it *must* fit on 700M media without overburn ... thats how debian-cd on the builders is set up
[10:08] <bluefrog-10> well if overburn is not necessary k3b doesn't use it..
[10:09] <bluefrog-10> .. I think
[10:09] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: try from the command line:
[10:09] <highvoltage> cdrecorf -v -dao -eject cd.iso -dev /dev/hdd speed=8
[10:09] <highvoltage> where /dev/hdd is your cdrom device and cd.iso the name of the cd image
[10:09] <bluefrog-10> yes yes
[10:09] <highvoltage> urgh, replave cdrecorf with cdrecord
[10:10] <bluefrog-10> i finish burning on another cd brand, then while the install will run will do that on another cd
[10:11] <bluefrog-10> *is far from being a command line god :)*
[10:11] <ogra> even though i once worked with the original author ...
[10:12] <ogra> nautilus is soo much easier for burning isos
[10:12] <highvoltage> k3b is very nice. better than nero under windows imho
[10:12] <bluefrog-10> oh yes never think of it
[10:12] <highvoltage> graveman is getting there fast too...
[10:13] <bluefrog-10> highvoltage, how do you erase cd from command line if I may , pls?
[10:14] <highvoltage> cdrecord blank=fast /dev/cdrom
[10:14] <bluefrog-10> ty
[10:14] <bluefrog-10> k3b is burning my cd right now at 4
[10:15] <bluefrog-10> ah noticed something when I had dapper installed few hours ago
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> about shared folders.. at first I chose samba only, and then I wanted to enable nfs as well, never could, wasn't given the choice
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> installed nfs-common but then daemon wouldn't start bitching about chown /var//something/ to another user than root
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> or /usr/lib (don't recall exactly)
[10:18] <highvoltage> goodnight, ogra, cbx33 LaserJock and bluefrog-10
[10:18] <bluefrog-10> night
[10:18] <ogra> night highvoltage
[10:26] <bluefrog-10> dvd I find in edubuntu/dvd/current is the same as the one in dvd/current?
[10:27] <ogra> its the edubuntu dvd
[10:27] <ogra> the latter is ubuntu
[10:27] <bluefrog-10> ok so edubuntu dvd is really full of edubuntu stuff ok ty
[10:27] <bluefrog-10> it has all arch i presume?
[10:28] <ogra> nope
[10:28] <bluefrog-10> or all language packs?
[10:28] <ogra> yes
[10:28] <bluefrog-10> yes sry looking at the page right now different dvd for arch
[10:28] <ogra> all of "supported" (which is the major part of main)
[10:29] <bluefrog-10> if this install hangs up on me again i will try an install in text mode... i suspect a graphical problem..
[10:30] <bluefrog-10> hum no graphics are miniaml anyway when retrieving/installing packages
[10:34] <bluefrog-10> weird on previous install eth0 was my intel ethernet and eth1 was wifi, now it's reversed
[10:35] <ogra> udev ...
[10:35] <bluefrog-10> dynamic?
[10:35] <ogra> yep
[10:35] <bluefrog-10> ok
[10:35] <ogra> but only on install afaik ...
[10:39] <bluefrog-10> *thinks it was the first and last time he used a command line to blank a CD, hopes the player is not fucked up... :( *
[10:40] <ogra> k3b uses the same command, be sure
[10:40] <mhz> cbx33: ping
[10:40] <bluefrog-10> well never had the problem I have now
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> might be ok..
[10:43] <mhz> cbx33: ping
[10:50] <cbx33> mhz, hi
[11:04] <blue-frog> ogra do you know off your head what's installing after xfonts? black screen again with cd written at $x
[11:04] <blue-frog> 4x
[11:06] <mhz> cbx33: hey, sorry... phone
[11:06] <cbx33> np
[11:06] <mhz> cbx33: so, did you get my reasons before I had trouble with ISP?
[11:07] <cbx33> no?
[11:07] <cbx33> tellme again
[11:09] <mhz> cbx33: may 24 09:54:10 <mhz>   cbx33: 1) Moin is my very good friend, it is a bit "scary" I use Moin for about 90% of my work (agenda, calendar, todo, biz quotes, planning, meeting records, etc) so, translate it via moin it is way faster for me than doing it via rosetta, plus I can take it with me as it is plain text in the end
[11:10] <mhz> cbx33: may 24 10:03:06 <mhz>   cbx33: 2) ESA would be great notice text for media coverage here in Chile
[11:10] <mhz> may 24 10:03:40 <mhz>   and good "translation work" to start motivating more spanish speakers to do smething for edubuntu
[11:11] <cbx33> ah yes
[11:12] <mhz> cbx33: so, are you ok with this?
[11:12] <cbx33> mhz, translate and use it as you wish :D
[11:13] <mhz> cbx33: okis, thx :)
[11:13] <cbx33> I'll let you know when we have somewhere to put it here
[11:13] <mhz> cbx33: sure
[11:13] <mhz> cbx33: and if you need help with moin stuff, just let me know
[11:14] <cbx33> will do
[11:17] <cbx33> hi pygi
[11:17] <pygi> hey cbx33
[11:17] <Bluekuja> cya guys, see you all tomorrow
[11:18] <Bluekuja> :)
[11:18] <pygi> night andrea
[11:20] <cbx33> nn Bluekuja
[11:29] <cbx33> ping HedgeMage
[11:45] <cbx33> nn all
[01:17] <bimberi> ogra et. al. : I've tried a recent edubuntu powerpc daily build (~24 hours ago) on our Mac Mini (G3 256Mb RAM). Live only (no install). Booted fine and ran a few apps OK.
[01:18] <bimberi> ... so looks good :)
[01:18] <ogra> bimberi, would you note that down on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu ?
[01:18] <bimberi> ogra: sure
[01:18] <ogra> thanks ! :)
[01:18] <bimberi> :)
[01:53] <LaserJock> ogra: why would you get a typo bug?
[01:54] <ogra> because people will expect it to be Edubuntu 6.06 LTSP :)
[01:54] <LaserJock> doh, I just thought of that
[01:54] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:54] <ogra> its really an odd abbreviation clash :)
[01:55] <LaserJock> sort of like Ebuntu ;-)
[01:55] <ogra> whoops no i was actually shocked
[01:55] <ogra> i just forgot i'm doing a workstation install ...
[01:56] <ogra> and suddenly the network confgured itself :)
[01:57] <LaserJock> I tried out the i386 live CD last night on my laptop at home
[01:57] <LaserJock> first time I've tried Linux on it I think
[01:57] <LaserJock> the wireless, "Just Worked"
[01:57] <LaserJock> very  cool
[01:57] <ogra> yeah
[01:57] <ogra> its kind of cool :)
[02:41] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:41] <ogra> hi
[02:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, did you ever test the workstation install on amd64 ?
[02:41] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:41] <jsgotangco> last night it was fine
[02:41] <ogra> hrm
[02:42] <jsgotangco> im doing an rsync now
[02:42] <ogra> i just had one where i ended up with no gdm and no edubuntu-desktop installed
[02:42] <ogra> and i'm not sure its the DVD
[02:43] <jsgotangco> im doing an rsync now and will test
[02:44] <ogra> great thanks ...
[02:44] <ogra> trying amd64 default install now
[02:48] <ogra> 2M only ...
[02:48] <ogra> you can get 20M here
[02:52] <jsgotangco> i'd go for 2M anytime compared to my 512 here
[02:52] <jsgotangco> and its 9am it becomes a bit clogged up
[02:52] <ogra> my eyes couldnt bear 9am atm :)
[02:53] <ogra> too much daylight :)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> 1 file to consider
[02:55] <jsgotangco> dapper-install-amd64.iso
[02:55] <jsgotangco>     94316341  13%   25.60kB/s    6:47:47
[02:55] <jsgotangco> pffttt
[02:55] <ogra> hmm there wasnt much change ...
[02:55] <ogra> it should come up to speed quickly
[02:57] <HedgeMage> What language, or languages, if any are we hurting for translators for?
[02:59] <ogra> for dapper none anymore ...
[02:59] <ogra> for edgy all we can get
[04:01] <HedgeMage> lol I meant in general
[04:01] <HedgeMage> I might get free foriegn language classes through an army thing
[04:02] <ogra> hmm we have 90 langs we support, pick one :)
[04:02] <ogra> i personally find xhosa intresting ...
[04:02] <ogra> (has a cool name)
[04:02] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:03] <HedgeMage> I might start with Arabic, since hubby et al. spend so much time in the middle east...
[04:03] <HedgeMage> I'm still thinking about it
[04:03] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt
[04:03] <ogra> there is a list of all languages
[04:04] <HedgeMage> cool
[04:04] <HedgeMage> I'm wondering if I should pick something common and likely to be frequently used, or something obscure and interesting
[04:06] <ogra> do you plan to go to canada ? then pick french ;) do you plan to go south, pick spanish :)
[04:06] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:07] <HedgeMage> If I'm smart, I probably will start with a Romance language, as I already know Latin they should be pretty easy for me
[04:09] <HedgeMage> Hubby's best friend is a bit of a linguist, I should find out what he knows so I have someone to practice on :)
[04:09] <HedgeMage> then again, when all else fails, there are always random IRC people, so I'll at least get the written/read bits down no matter what I leran
[04:09] <HedgeMage> learn
[04:10] <ogra> yeah
[04:16] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'm trying German and French but I'm not getting very far on my own
[04:17] <ogra> we can train german in paris ... :)
[04:17] <ogra> and well, you can train yourself in french in paris as well :)
[04:17] <HedgeMage> hehe I'd think Paris would be better for french :P
[04:17] <HedgeMage> I so wish I was going :/
[04:17] <ogra> my french sucks
[04:17] <ogra> you didnt apply for sponsorship, did you ?
[04:18] <HedgeMage> You guys will all have to blog frequently so I can live vicariously through you :P
[04:18] <HedgeMage> ogra: sponsorship? no, I didn't know there was any available
[04:18] <ogra> blog ... hmm
[04:18] <ogra> i think my last blog entry is more than a year ago
[04:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:18] <HedgeMage> lol you're worse than me, then, mine's only a month or so ago
[04:18] <ogra> HedgeMage, we always sponsor a bunch of people
[04:19] <HedgeMage> ogra: spiffy... I'd assume it's too late to apply by now, though?
[04:19] <ogra> yep
[04:19] <HedgeMage> figured.
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Mon, 25 Jul 2005
[04:19] <jsgotangco> MediaWiki packages available
[04:19] <ogra> may 15th was the end date
[04:19] <jsgotangco> almost
[04:19] <HedgeMage> at least I know for next time, whenever that is :)
[04:19] <ogra> in november ...
[04:20] <ogra> *wherever* it is ;)
[04:20] <HedgeMage> ooh :)  my birthday is in November... ;)
[04:20] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i truly doubt we'll see the day an ubuntu devel conf happens in the USA
[04:21] <ogra> yep
[04:22] <ogra> even mark has changed his mind a bit
[04:22] <jsgotangco> Montreal was the closest
[04:22] <ogra> yup
[04:22] <ogra> but he had a usa business travel after montreal
[04:24] <jsgotangco> it was still pretty risky heh
[04:24] <ogra> heh+
[04:25] <HedgeMage> hehe
 mhz - You are nothing but a half-faced assload of festering IE.
[05:29] <Laser_away> doh, I just figured out how I can test LTSP
[05:30] <jsgotangco> its not even installing heh
[05:35] <Laser_away> mhz: ouch
[05:36] <mhz> Laser_away: is that a bad insult ? :D
[05:43] <Laser_away> if I install ltsp-server on an Ubuntu install can I use the Edubuntu documentation on setting up a LTSP server?
[05:53] <mhz> Laser_away: hmmm
[05:53] <mhz> not sure.. Edubuntu LTSP, IIRC, it uses a diff approach than regular LTSP
[05:53] <mhz> Edubuntu forwards X all the time
[05:54] <mhz> and AFAIK, LTSP does not work the same way
[05:54] <mhz> Edubuntu works via ssh forwarding
[05:56] <jsgotangco> its the same
[06:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: are you sure?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> why would it diverge from ubuntu itself?
[06:20] <mhz> why would I know the answer?
[06:21] <mhz> it does install diff dirs
[06:21] <mhz> and it does use diff config files
[06:21] <jsgotangco> mhz: i wouldn't count on it
[06:21] <mhz> that is a fact
[06:21] <mhz> many people have installed LTSP but not Edubuntu-server
[06:21] <jsgotangco> it doesn't make sense to me if edubuntu ltsp is different from ubuntu ltsp
[06:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, maybe you are right on the point that the "technology" is the same
[06:22] <mhz> but the installation is indeed different
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i was talking about ubuntu and edubuntu not other implementations of ltsp from diff distros
[06:22] <mhz> me too
[06:23] <mhz> if you install LTSP server (ubuntu) you will edit config files in locations that do not correspond to the ones installed by edubuntu-server
[06:23] <mhz> actually, you edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for edubuntu-sever
[06:24] <mhz> while in normal ubuntu ltsp you do not have that file there
[06:24] <mhz> (that was an example, only)
[06:24] <mhz> (and it is also a fact)
[06:25] <jsgotangco> there maybe differences, but it should be trivial imo
[06:43] <mhz> Laser_away: bottom line, you can try, of course. LTSP will work in the end. But if you ask in the sense of "edubuntu support", the logical thing is to follow edubuntu steps/docs ;)
[07:34] <mhz> highvoltage: hi man
[07:35] <mhz> highvoltage: got 2 minutes?
[07:35] <highvoltage> hey mhz
[07:35] <highvoltage> mhz: sure, since i'm locked out of the office here :)
[07:36] <mhz> highvoltage: lol
[07:36] <highvoltage> oooh, this is nice: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/zoom/
[07:36] <mhz> highvoltage: it is confirmed... FET will be on June 20 and 21st
[07:37] <highvoltage> whohoo!
[07:37] <mhz> therefore, you won't be here :(
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: you must feel very relieved hey?
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, i'm happy for you though :)
[07:37] <mhz> honestly... it is as terrible news as JaneW not continuing in Edubuntu :(
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: just make sure there's another FET next year ;)
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: nah, it's not as bad as that at all
[07:38] <highvoltage> mhz: i'm sure you'll do just fine
[07:38] <mhz> well, that is the idea, as well as we'll have the Institute and Edubuntu Chile working as a distro cutomized for low Chilean hardware school pc's
[07:38] <highvoltage> nice, you know what they're goign to base it off from?
[07:39] <mhz> highvoltage: then, I wanted to tell you "personally" about this
[07:39] <mhz> highvoltage: what you mean?
[07:39] <mhz> oh, I guess, Edubuntu-server + XFCE
[07:40] <mhz> GNOME is really killing my older hardware performance
[07:40] <highvoltage> ah ok. nice
[07:40] <highvoltage> yeah, we're going to use Edubuntu + Xubuntu in tuxlabs too
[07:40] <mhz> and normal server-boxes are not higher than 2 Ghz of processor and 1 GHz of RAM
[07:40] <Burgundavia> what is default memory usage for XFCE like?
[07:40] <highvoltage> it doesn't really kill the thin clients as much as it kills the server
[07:40] <highvoltage> ouch @ 1GM of RAM
[07:41] <mhz> yeah, true
[07:41] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: just a sec, i'll get you some stats
[07:41] <mhz> highvoltage: re FET/ you said you could propose a friend of yours?
[07:42] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2005/09/msg00067.html
[07:42] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i think i can
[07:42] <highvoltage> mhz: i can phone him in about 30 minutes, when other people start arriving at the office
[07:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, wow, almost half
[07:43] <Burgundavia> I hope this nautilus performance stuff comes through
[07:43] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yep, and xfce has come a long way, it's much more prettier and usable than it used to be
[07:43] <mhz> Burgundavia: see? that's why we need to customize stuff here in Chile
[07:43] <highvoltage> and not only is xfce less memory intensive, it's less CPU intensive as well
[07:44] <mhz> highvoltage: indeed. Jani, Nomed and others have been putting lots of work in xubuntu
[07:44] <highvoltage> and it doesn't have fancy animations like when you minimize a window in gnome, which does nothing more but waste network bandwidth on ltsp
[07:45] <Burgundavia> it would nice if xfce and gnome could figure out a longterm merge plan
[07:45] <mhz> when I talk to nemd and see his work.. I can't help thinking of him as anohter ogra.
[07:45] <mhz> nemd = nomed
[07:46] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you should file some bugs upstream to get some gconf keys for turning off the fancy stuff
[07:46] <highvoltage> mhz: i talked to jani about a month ago, and he said dapper version of xubuntu will have ltsp as well as an option
[07:46] <highvoltage> mhz: so you could start with the xubuntu cd, and then just install the other apps on top of that
[07:46] <mhz> highvoltage: re FET/ If I can have his CD in the next 5 hours in my inbox, then I might have  a chance to suggest him as a replacement for you, considering he has experience on those labs in southafrica
[07:47] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yeah.
[07:47] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, he's an ideal person to come and talk about it, and although he's also extremely busy, i'm sure he'd love to come and talk
[07:48] <mhz> highvoltage: and how diff could it be to install Edubuntu and then Xubuntu on top? As long as I use xubuntu I should have same better results in server performance?
[07:48] <mhz> highvoltage: does he look like the Manchester United player too?
[07:49] <highvoltage> mhz: well, with hair like that, he definately looks like a soccer player :)
[07:50] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, you could do it that way around as well, but you just end up with more install cd's
[07:50] <highvoltage> (since you're shipping gnome, which you won't really be using)
[07:51] <mhz> The plan so far is to keep Edubuntu Chile so we can make clear we still work with same devel group nad we just have 2 alternatives for schools. Gnome and XFCE... they choose. The diff for us, is that we'll customize language, artwrok, install, etc. A11y is also an important target.
[07:52] <mhz> yeah, i see your point but we still need GNOME (which could be installed after xubuntu-edu-lstp environment) so end-users may see similarities to M$
[07:53] <mhz> highvoltage: re FET/ if he can send me both the letter and his CV during next 5 hours, then I'll be glad to suggest him as a YOU
[07:53] <mhz> after that, I can't really promise anything
[07:54] <mhz> BTW, your CV had the format/layout they wanted here, so it was cool.
[07:54] <highvoltage> ok, I'll get Hilton to pass his info on to you
[07:58] <mhz> highvoltage: THX a lot and I am sorry Mark has moved the Paris event for June too :(
[07:58] <highvoltage> hehe. all his fault eh?
[07:59] <mhz> now, if I could get about 50 Edubuntu Dapper CD's and t-shirts... I could also do something interesting during FET
[07:59] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah!
[07:59] <mhz> :D
[07:59] <highvoltage> mhz: strip while throwing out edubuntu cd's?
[07:59] <mhz> LOL!
[08:00] <mhz> nah, that was why YOU were coming here
[08:00] <mhz> hmmm.... "wet contest = Wet Edubuntu T-Shirts contests!!!"
[08:00] <mhz> w.e.t
[08:01] <Burgundavia> oh, sorry, but I don't want to see most of the people who work on Edubuntu naked/topless
[08:01] <mhz> Burgundavia: oh come on! why do you think they chose Paris?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> right
[08:10] <mhz> highvoltage: do you know this person? Heather Ford or  Daniela Faris?
[08:11] <mhz> http://ubuntu.typepad.com/
[08:11] <highvoltage> mhz: i know Heather Ford
[08:11] <highvoltage> mhz: creative commons chick
[08:12] <highvoltage> Daniela Faris sounds familiar... can't remember who it is though
[08:12] <mhz> yup
[08:12] <mhz> Daniela has experience in design and layout, photography, web development and online publishing. She has also specialized in ICT and economics writing. She has reported on various conferences and events, including the Creative Commons South Africa launch, as part of her practical training in multimedia journalism. Daniela has completed short internships at a locally based newspaper and magazine; and at the Institute for Democracy in South Africa (Idasa), a po
[08:12] <mhz> litically focused NGO in Pretoria.
[08:13] <mhz> Heather Ford is a South African who has worked in the fields of internet policy, law and management in South Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States.
[08:13] <mhz> Recently appointed Acting Executive Director of iCommons, Heather is also helping to help establish an Intellectual Property Research Unit at the Link Centre and a new NGO called The African Commons Project.
[08:15] <mhz> if any of those is potentially geek, man, I'll gladly try to flirt with her and convince her to be my "friend" :)
[08:15] <mhz> and if pretty... well, then I won lottery!
[08:17] <Burgundavia> mhz, you dog :)
[08:24] <jsgotangco> mhz: sick man
[08:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, here is probably single
[08:25] <Burgundavia> s/here/he
[08:25] <jsgotangco> no not at all
[08:26] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, I have been in a separation process for the last 5 or 6 months now, Burgundavia.
[08:26] <Burgundavia> mhz, ah, totallly understandable then
[08:26] <mhz> .oO(or I'd say more than 1 year according to my ex-wife version.. and I had no idea :) )
[08:27] <mhz> Burgundavia: indeed.
[08:29] <jsgotangco> mhz: try this lol
[08:29] <jsgotangco> mhz: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-11711-.html
[08:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: and... come one, how could my latinamerican blood resist such description: intelligent woman, works for freedom of access, has been volunteer, undertands about ICT, journalism and web design experience... geee, impossible not to react :)
[08:30] <mhz> and if she looks like JaneW and/or has that tattoo...I'd die!
[08:30] <Burgundavia> mhz, are you drolling over married Canonical employees again?
[08:31] <mhz> LOL!
[08:31] <mhz> "is she looks like..."
[08:31] <mhz> is = if
[08:31] <Burgundavia> not that JaneW is, ah never mind
[08:32] <Burgundavia> this whole conversation is probably completely against the CoC
[08:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol, you all are nuts :D
[08:32] <jsgotangco> mhz: hey she has a python interface lol...she can probably interface with moin too you never know
[08:33] <mhz> Burgundavia: nah, I dont think so. The way I see it, we are just talkng about some profiles of potential candidates to become part of the Edubuntu family, or not?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> mhz, dirty dirty lol
[08:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[08:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: where or how do you get those urls!! Do you google for them?
[08:34] <mhz> Burgundavia: see? totaly within CoC
[08:34] <jsgotangco> mhz: i have an interest in robotics
[08:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, come on! too many coincidences: mobile IT, robotics, documentation, edubuntu... what else?
[08:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW: *sniff*
[08:36] <jsgotangco> mhz: early childhood development
[08:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: ROFL!!!
[08:36] <jsgotangco> i also stumbled upon E-Stim but it is not appropriate in this place
[08:36] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, then you get Heather and I get Daniela :D
[08:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: you stumbled upon? or you intentioanlly did it?
[08:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: i stumbled at it on google, but i haven't actually seen one
[08:38] <mhz> oh, and if you did, I am sure you would try its reflexes
[08:38] <mhz> ;)
[08:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: im more interested on the interface and the software and why people use it
[08:39] <jsgotangco> but i have something similar at home from japan, but its purpose is for massage
[08:39] <JaneW> Burgundavia: I have never been opposed to sexual harrassment in the work place ;P
[08:39] <jsgotangco> running on 9v cell
[08:39] <JaneW> *joking*
[08:39] <mhz> JaneW: and now that you leave you say it?
[08:39] <jsgotangco> mhz: and i find it unfair that the controller software only works on windows and OSX
[08:39] <Burgundavia> JaneW, what will the children think! rofl
[08:40] <JaneW> Burgundavia: children...? oh, them!, drat ;)
[08:40] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, ogra could always port it, or maybe Yagisan
[08:41] <Burgundavia> JaneW, them children need to be edumacated anyway, shucks!
[08:41] <mhz> JaneW: BTW, you already got anohter job? Maybe you could ask Heaher or Daniela about it?
[08:53] <mhz> highvoltage: hehehe, anoter event right after FEThttp://icommons.org/about/
[08:53] <mhz> http://icommons.org/about/
[08:54] <mhz_zZzZ> nite you all
[09:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: i suppose you should stay on the "Edubuntu Members" team as admin until we find a replacement first?
[09:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: i don't think you should be a non-administrator yet
[09:14] <pygi> JaneW, argh, what happened? :-/
[09:14] <pygi> highvoltage, ?
[09:16] <highvoltage> pygi: http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/
[09:18] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks
[09:19] <pygi> ergh, the first few sentences are already enough :(
[09:19] <pygi> JaneW, very sorry to hear that :)
[09:19] <pygi> :(*
[09:24] <cbx33> gooooood mornin all
[09:24] <cbx33> pygi: I solved that issue with python
[09:24] <pygi> cbx33, no, not good mornin', and congrats
[09:25] <HedgeMage> JaneW: awww... I know the feeling, though I'm sorry to see you go
[09:26] <crimsun> well, best of luck, JaneW.
[09:26] <cbx33> pygi: not a good morning?
[09:27] <pygi> cbx33, no, JaneW leaving Canonical :-/
[09:27] <cbx33> I know....not good at all
[09:27] <cbx33> JaneW: did you see the latest minutes?
[09:27] <crimsun> pygi: it's not necessarily a /bad/ thing, though we would say it's sad. We can all look forward to the future, though. No sense in really miring.
[09:32] <pygi> crimsun, ah
[09:38] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, do you have that link to the prison chatter/
[09:39] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i've been trying to find it, but our lug's mailing list archives aren't very searchable
[09:39] <HedgeMage> I do give her a ton of credit, though.  I know what I went through when I left a good job to give my son what he needed, and in my case it was an emergency... doing it for important-but-not-emergency reasons is likely even harder
[09:40] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, which list was it on?
[09:40] <JaneW> hi all
[09:40] <JaneW> sorry I had to take my car for a service - it was dying
[09:42] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I have to say, wow is clug hopping
[09:42] <pygi> hi JaneW
[09:42] <highvoltage> Burgundavia :http://lists.clug.org.za/mailman/listinfo/clug-chat
[09:43] <HedgeMage> np
[09:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok I'll stay on the E members list
[09:43] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: wow is clug hopping? i don't understand you?
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: great :)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you are about 10x busier than most lugs in Western Canada
[09:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: I do need to reduce the mail flood each day, especially the superfluous stuff
[09:44] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: our wiki is coming together nicely too :) http://wiki.clug.org.za
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok. i understand :)
[09:46] <JaneW> cbx33: where are the minutes
[09:46] <JaneW> cbx33: I am looking at the old page
[09:48] <pygi> Enjoy ppl, talk to you later
[09:48] <highvoltage> bingo
[09:49] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://lists.clug.org.za/pipermail/clug-chat/2005-May/012365.html
[09:53] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, that is pretty sad
[09:54] <Burgundavia> people can be very blinkered
[09:55] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: *nods*
[09:55] <Burgundavia> well, I need to sleep
[09:55] <Burgundavia> good night
[09:56] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: but like i said, the conversation did bring out some nice posts, Jonathan Hitcock (another member of JOCUAMAOE), wrote this: http://lists.clug.org.za/pipermail/clug-chat/2005-May/012367.html
[10:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: or shall I say warder? ;P
[10:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[10:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: Prisoner Cell Block U (for Ubuntu)
[10:07] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: erm... E... for Edubuntu ;)
[10:07] <JaneW> right!
[10:08] <pips1> hullo
[10:08] <HedgeMage> hi pips1
[10:09] <pips1> hi HedgeMage
[10:09] <highvoltage> hey pips1
[10:10] <pips1> highvoltage, did you see the security announcements?
[10:11] <highvoltage> pips1: yep, will update, thanks
[10:11] <pips1> oki
[10:12] <pips1> hey, you fixed the theme!!
[10:13] <pips1> :)
[10:13] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: can I list clug.org.za at fossug.org?  (A project I'm slowly putting together with links to various user groups, resources, etc)
[10:15] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: sure :)
[10:17] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: cool... have a sentence or two blurb to go with the link?
[10:19] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: take the first paragraph of http://www.clug.org.za
[10:20] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: cool, will do :)
[10:20] <HedgeMage> omg your logo is great
[10:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: it's table mountain at the top there
[10:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: you can see table mountain with penguins on http://www.sanccob.co.za/
[10:26] <highvoltage> (second pic in the middle)
[10:27] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:27] <pips1> nice
[10:29] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: if the new DNS has propogated in your direction already, you can check out the logo on http://olympia.fossug.org that's one of the better ones I've done -- I'm just not a graphics person.
[10:29] <HedgeMage> I make things work, I don't make them pretty :P
[10:31] <blue-frog> hi all
[10:32] <HedgeMage> hi blue-frog
[10:32] <blue-frog> ahve finally found out where my installs "hangs up" on my vaio laptop. get a black screen at xserver configuration
[10:33] <blue-frog> so I believe I can continue the install as the cd is still running and the HDD as well, but I have to finish it blind
[10:37] <pips1> blue-frog, good luck!
[10:37] <blue-frog> yep especially if it's asking me where to put grub :(
[10:38] <blue-frog> from memory i think it's the next step after asking screen resolution
[10:39] <pips1> isn't there a screenshot series that documents the default installation routine?
[10:39] <cbx33> JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[10:39] <blue-frog> pips1 good thought
[10:39] <blue-frog> gonna google
[10:39] <JaneW> cbx33: thanks
[10:41] <JaneW> cbx33: LMAO
[10:41] <cbx33> :D
[10:42] <JaneW> cbx33: excellent minutes by the way
[10:42] <JaneW> you sum up very well and clearly
[10:42] <pips1> blue-frog, http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted ? hth
[10:43] <cbx33> JaneW: thank you
[10:43] <blue-frog> pips1, cool.  trying
[10:44] <cbx33> I was always told I write very concisely....one of my failing points apparently...oh and very colloqually (however you spell it)
[10:47] <HedgeMage> cbx33: colloquially
[10:48] <HedgeMage> Does anyone know if we have a meeting reminder mailing list set up anywhere?  I forget half the time until the last minute or too late.
[10:48] <JaneW> cbx33: well it's prefect for minutes
[10:48] <JaneW> cbx33: perhaps not for an epic novel :P
[10:48] <HedgeMage> I require advanced nagging, at least until life here stabalizes a bit :P
[10:50] <pips1> cbx33, the meeting notes read just fine
[10:53] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I tend to be too verbose, so together we'd make a well-balanced team :P
[10:53] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I agree that the minutes are just great as is :)
[11:01] <blue-frog> need a bit of help from experienced grub user on dapper pls if available
[11:01] <blue-frog> have to finished dapper install blind
[11:01] <blue-frog> had to *
[11:02] <blue-frog> when i boot have grub error 17
[11:02] <blue-frog> i started a livecd and found out in the dpkg.log that I encountered a problem with grub (I expected that as I was blind)
[11:03] <blue-frog> I have no grub folder in the boot folder, can I install grub from the livecd?
[11:06] <blue-frog> oh found a an howto on wiki, trying that
[11:30] <blue-frog> hi ogra have identified where my installs falls apart on a vaio laptop, it's atthe xserver resolution configuration. The install goes on but I have to do it blind, and as I have multiple OS on the laptop at some point it must be asking me to configure grub and this where I fail (doing it blind..) I loaded a livdecd to try to install grub correctly but am having a hard time with it now
[11:42] <blue-frog> please I have edubuntu dvd, at boot time how do I enter rescue mode from the dvd?
[11:52] <cbx33> thanks all on the minutes feedback
[11:52] <blue-frog> folks where has the prompt gone when you boot on the install cd?
[12:00] <blue-frog> Pls anyone, I have no prompt at boot time with install cd, only the diffrent choices from menu, is that normal, am i missing something, must I use F6 to enter rescue mode?
[12:00] <cbx33> blue-frog: that is normal
[12:01] <blue-frog> yes but then how do we enter rescue mode from install cd pls?
[12:01] <cbx33> I don;t know :S - never had to do it
[12:01] <blue-frog> should be a choice in the menu fro rescue mode then, don't you think?
[12:02] <blue-frog> or get rid of the rescue mention in the help menu
[12:03] <blue-frog> I 'd prefer a rescue mode choice as it could help me setup grub on my vaio laptop
[12:04] <ogra> you said you have the dvd, there should be a possibility to use the live image, there you have the rescue mode in the menu
[12:05] <blue-frog> ok so how do i do that pls, choose start or install edubuntu?
[12:06] <ogra> blue-frog, i havent tested the DVD yet, no idea
[12:06] <blue-frog> rahh :(
[12:06] <ogra> but i know both isos are on there and there should be a menu at the start where you can select between live and install
[12:06] <blue-frog> for the black screen problem should I report it as a bug?
[12:07] <blue-frog> if i hit start or install edubuntu or if i hit install a workstation it starts the install/live direct.. no prompt at anytime
[12:07] <blue-frog> thought about the F6 key and added rescue at then end but with no luck
[12:09] <ogra> blue-frog, indeed, thats a bug, but check if it doesnt ecist yet, sony is a big brand id imagine someone had this prob before you
[12:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: good morning :)
[12:10] <ogra> heya
[12:12] <blue-frog> ogra found the rescue system choice on the edubuntu cd, but this menu is missing in the dvd
[12:13] <blue-frog> dvd iso rsync as per yesterday night
[12:13] <blue-frog> *off to lunch*
[12:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: you think a test on the latest rsync is proper?
[12:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, the *latest* rsync i.e. the iso from 10 min ago should be our RC
[01:00] <jsgotangco> cool its grabbing now
[01:00] <jsgotangco> this shold be fun
[01:00] <ogra> dont grab live yet
[01:00] <ogra> still building
[01:00] <jsgotangco> i just grab install always
[01:08] <cbx33> jsgotangco: heheh
[01:25] <pips1> btw, tested live cd i386 (25/05/2006 build) ok :)
[01:25] <ogra> yay
[01:31] <ogra> meh
[01:32] <pips1> dapper works really great on my shiny new thinkpad: Highlights include working external monitor, hardware volume switch, Touchpad - Scroll down side, Function keys... :-D
[01:32] <ogra> we're supposed to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current to log our findings, i'll transfer the data we already have, please log the status there (at the bottom is an edubuntu table)
[01:32] <pips1> oh, right, ok
[01:33] <cbx33> are you taransfering my data across
[01:33] <cbx33> or are we starting testing all over again?
[01:33] <ogra> oh, i'm not even allowed
[01:34] <jsgotangco> cbx33: this is the last 50 yards :)
[01:34] <ogra> this counts only for the current build ... fun
[01:34] <ogra> so no transfer...
[01:34] <ogra> lets start from scratch :/
[01:34] <cbx33> or do you have other volunteers
[01:34] <ogra> every testing is appreciated :)
[01:35] <jsgotangco> cbx33: its everyone's ballgame now
[01:35] <cbx33> but you're not in such a deep hole as last time?
[01:36] <ogra> no :)
[01:37] <cbx33> ok great, I can probably test some tonight
[01:37] <cbx33> but work is getting to me at the moment
[01:38] <pips1> ogra, aren't you going to get access to that page, then?
[01:38] <ogra> tonight is to late ... we'll release RC today ...
[01:38] <ogra> pips1, sure we all get access, we're just not allowed to use old data ... it *must* be for this exact build
[01:38] <pips1> ah, ok
[01:38] <ogra> livecds are ready as well
[01:39] <jsgotangco> weee bases loaded
[01:39] <cbx33> are we going into 20060525 ?
[01:39] <pips1> on that testing page it says Current Test CD
[01:39] <pips1>
[01:39] <pips1> 20060524
[01:40] <pips1> oops
[01:40] <ogra> iwj is just fixing that page
[01:40] <cbx33> so it is 25?
[01:40] <ogra> but right, it should be 25
[01:40] <pips1> so we can use rsync, right?
[01:40] <cbx33> lucky you
[01:40] <jsgotangco> yes
[01:40] <pips1> ok
[01:42] <ogra> nice, only 6mins for syncing each install CD :)
[01:42] <pips1> ogra, on our old testing page it says you *did* test lots of 20060525 builds, so you surely can enter those, no?
[01:42] <ogra> nope
[01:42] <jsgotangco> nope
[01:42] <ogra> i tested them *on* 25th :)
[01:42] <jsgotangco> thats an earlier build
[01:42] <pips1> ah
[01:42] <jsgotangco> mine too
[01:42] <ogra> the build we test is still warm :)
[01:43] <pips1> ok, i see
[01:43] <ogra> (its less than 30min old)
[01:43] <pips1> I must be don't something wrong with rsync :-( dapper-install-amd64.iso
[01:43] <pips1>    128179693  17%   72.82kB/s    2:15:38
[01:43] <ogra> wait a moment ... that will go down
[01:44] <pips1> aha
[01:44] <jsgotangco> grr burning cd-r is so slow
[01:44] <pips1> oh, no
[01:44] <cbx33> yeh
[01:44] <jsgotangco> i have a bunch of cd-rw here though
[01:45] <jsgotangco> but i have to burn them much slower
[01:45] <pips1> ick, they're more expensive too
[01:45] <jsgotangco> but they're good for at least 100 rewrite cycles heh
[01:45] <spacey> time to go to the office
[01:45] <spacey> bbl
[01:45] <pips1> yeah, that's right
[01:46] <cbx33> ogra: am I seeing this right
[01:46] <cbx33> daily current openoffice is not installable in the report
[01:46] <ogra> looks like the rsync server has a problem
[01:47] <ogra> cbx33, nope, these are transitional oo.o2 packages
[01:47] <ogra> nothing to worry about+
[01:47] <cbx33> ok
[01:47] <ogra> they are only for upgrades
[01:47] <cbx33> sorry, just checking
[01:47] <ogra> no, thanks for the heads up :)
[01:47] <cbx33> :p
[01:48] <highvoltage> hey pips1 and cbx33
[01:48] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[01:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'd wait for the rsync server to be fixed ;)
[01:48] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I can;t test DVD so would be good
[01:49] <ogra> also cat together the live and install iso before rsyncing a dvd, it saves a lot
[01:49] <jsgotangco> ahh i didnt know it was possible
[01:49] <pips1> highvoltage, hi
[01:50] <highvoltage> pips1: what's up?
[01:50] <pips1> busy testing cds just now, otherwise not much :)
[01:51] <cbx33> and working
[01:51] <pips1> ogra, yeah that rsync is acting up wierd
[01:51] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation manual partition is now installing
[01:51] <cbx33> nice jsgotangco
[01:52] <highvoltage> i'm actually taking a lunch break, which is quite enjoyable :)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> boo
[01:52] <pips1> hehe
[01:52] <cbx33> w00t highvoltage
[01:52] <cbx33> i always work
[01:52] <ogra> break ?
[01:52] <pips1> yeah, eating properly is important
[01:52] <ogra> whats that ?
[01:52] <pips1> omg
[01:52] <cbx33> i eat all day
[01:53] <cbx33> :D
[01:53] <highvoltage> i just couldn't get myself to concentrate on a long document, so i'm just going to relax for 10 minutes, and then get back to it. people say that it would work.
[01:53] <cbx33> nice
[01:53] <cbx33> highvoltage: it does
[01:53] <cbx33> if you get the chance
[01:53] <cbx33> thanks for fixing those file permissions
[01:54] <cbx33> highvoltage: how did you want to handle meeting minutes being posted on the website?
[01:54] <jsgotangco> poor sflaw he's already awake at this time
[01:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, s/already/still/
[01:54] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33 what did you do to get the template engine sorted?
[01:54] <jsgotangco> gahh
[01:54] <cbx33> highvoltage: did it
[01:54] <cbx33> :p
[01:55] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you think that should be better on the wiki instead?
[01:55] <ogra> he's the QA guy these two last weeks are the most important for him
[01:55] <cbx33> yes, just link through on the drupal site?
[01:55] <highvoltage> pips1: hehe. it turns out, that there was nothing wrong with the theme engine
[01:55] <highvoltage> pips1: even though everything (and everyone) pointed there
[01:55] <pips1> oh?
[01:56] <highvoltage> pips1: it turns out, the theme has some specific settings about blocks that go to the right, and that we just needed to change it
[01:56] <highvoltage> pips1: what *is* weird though, is that it didn't happen on my or cbx's local installations, just on the edubuntu server
[01:56] <pips1> hmm, strange.
[01:56] <highvoltage> must be tough to join as QA guy about a month before release
[01:57] <ogra> yep
[01:57] <ogra> and his target is to get *all* fields filled on the testing page :)
[01:57] <ogra> for all flavors
[01:57] <highvoltage> good target :)
[01:57] <pips1> the layout breaks on pages with big images in the centre... e.g. http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[01:58] <highvoltage> pips1: i noticed this afternoon, i'll have to resize those images just slightly
[01:58] <pips1> right
[01:59] <highvoltage> at least that's quick and easy :)
[01:59] <highvoltage> (oh no! i said quick and easy! that means it's going to be long and nasty!)
[01:59] <jsgotangco> does he have a sparc at home???
[01:59] <highvoltage> brb
[02:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, sfllaw ?
[02:01] <ogra> no idea
[02:03] <cbx33> why the hell is the live cd downloading quicker than the other
[02:06] <pips1> the list of confirmed major bugs in launchpad is still rather scary
[02:06] <pips1> :-/
[02:09] <cbx33> which types of installation still need to be done?
[02:09] <ogra> all
[02:09] <cbx33> ok
[02:09] <ogra> all arches all installs
[02:09] <ogra> (server is gone from the menu)
[02:09] <ogra> and we dont nedd OEM or netboot testing
[02:10] <ogra> i'll fix the table accordingly ...
[02:10] <cbx33> ok
[02:10] <cbx33> I'm testing live cd install
[02:11] <pips1> 'Desktop CD' stands for 'Live CD', right?
[02:11] <cbx33> yes
[02:12] <pips1> and similarily, 'Alternate CD' means 'Install CD'...
[02:12] <pips1> ?
[02:13] <pips1> ah, yes
[02:13] <cbx33> yes
[02:13] <ogra> pips1, fixed
[02:13] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation manual partition DONE
[02:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, :P youre ahead of me ... diong the same here
[02:15] <jsgotangco> should i put my result then?
[02:15] <ogra> yeah !
[02:18] <jsgotangco> ok im done on tsting for now
[02:18] <jsgotangco> time for me to rest
[02:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, thanks
[02:19] <pips1> jsgotangco, have a good rest
[02:30] <pips1> ogra, how does it work with the universe repository? can packages be added for a release, during the release? or is universe "freezed" also?
[02:31] <ogra> universe has the same freeze dates, but a way more loosely handling of them
[02:31] <pips1> ic
[02:31] <ogra> and its frozen on release day
[02:32] <ogra> so nothing can be added after release unless you use the backports repo or someone decides something is important enough to go in -updates
[02:32] <ogra> development and adding of packages only happens in the development distro
[02:33] <pips1> hmm, there is this particular zope package I'm interested in... the latest from upstream is in the repos, but many of its dependency packages are missing...
[02:36] <pips1> what is the packaging "philosophy" in this case? is that package considered to be broken?
[02:36] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm moving the mockup wiki page to the real page, mkay?
[02:36] <cbx33> ogra just a quickie, in python.....resp = dialog.run()   what if the dialog box has Yes or no, what is returned?
[02:36] <cbx33> highvoltage: ok, but there is a link you need to change
[02:36] <cbx33> the meetingrecords link
[02:37] <cbx33> feel free to move it and I'll edit it in a sec
[02:37] <cbx33> if your happy with it
[02:37] <ogra> cbx33, dunno from the top of my head, just add a print resp ;)
[02:37] <cbx33> ok
[02:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, just a sec
[02:37] <cbx33> thanks
[02:38] <cbx33> ok got it
[02:38] <cbx33> -9 and -8
[02:38] <cbx33> :D it works
[02:38] <cbx33> IT'S ALIVE
[02:38] <pips1> hehe
[02:40] <pips1> i can see the crazed face of gene wilder in my mind :-)
[02:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, edit!
[02:42] <cbx33> link ?
[02:42] <cbx33> i've forgotten the page name :p
[02:42] <cbx33> oh nevermind
[02:43] <cbx33> it's on eduvbuntu.org
[02:43] <pips1> cbx33, have you seen mel brooks' "frankenstein junior"?
[02:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[02:43] <cbx33> highvoltage: did you take the images across?
[02:44] <cbx33> they seem to be missing
[02:44] <cbx33> sdid you move the page, or copy and paste?
[02:45] <cbx33> yikes, /me notices he's on the list for the wiki
[02:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: the cdimage.png file? yes, i did.
[02:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: ag, yes, i did copy and paste :/
[02:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: sorry
[02:46] <pips1> cbx33, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki is complete with images, i.e. works for me
[02:46] <highvoltage> ah i see the missing images on the right... missed that
[02:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you have local copies left?
[02:46] <cbx33> :p np
[02:47] <cbx33> pips1: ther eare some missing images
[02:47] <pips1> oops, that's right
[02:47] <cbx33> on hte right
[02:47] <pips1> -/
[02:48] <cbx33> i was so proud of that heheheh
[02:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: i noticed ;)
[02:48] <cbx33> little things eh.... :p
[02:48] <highvoltage> yep
[02:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: so, you still have local copies of those images?
[02:48] <cbx33> hmm.....
[02:48] <pips1> highvoltage, nasty, "promoting" cbx33 just like that ;-)
[02:49] <cbx33> hehe
[02:49] <highvoltage> pips1: promoting?
[02:49] <pips1>  EdubuntuWiki
[02:49] <pips1>
[02:49] <pips1> PeteSavage
[02:49] <pips1> :-D
[02:50] <highvoltage> pips1: he did it himself, ie: he's been very busy on it
[02:51] <highvoltage> he's probably done more work on Edubuntu wiki pages than anyone else in the last 3 months
[02:51] <cbx33> :p
[02:51] <pips1> ah, I thought you did that and was reacting to his comment "cbx33 yikes, /me notices he's on the list for the wiki"
[02:51] <highvoltage> ah :)
[02:52] <highvoltage> Burgwork: did you put the contents into https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEdutainmen ?
[02:52] <highvoltage> Burgwork: did you perhaps mean to put it into https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEdutainment ?
[02:53] <cbx33> heheh
[02:53] <highvoltage> lol
[02:53] <ogra> or would that be Edutainwimen ?
[02:53] <highvoltage> ogra: almost there
[02:53] <pips1> lol
[02:54] <cbx33> ogra: I'm having very bad luck installing it on my normally VERY fast VMware machine
[02:54] <ogra> can you switch off the frambuffer somehow ?
[02:55] <ogra> i heard about that, seems to be graphics related
[02:55] <cbx33> hmm.....can i do that on edubuntu boot?
[02:55] <ogra> it shall also go faster if you run vmware fullscreen i heard
[02:55] <cbx33> yes
[02:56] <cbx33> i did actually post to that mail
[02:57] <cbx33> but it was from an alternative email address that wasn't on the ML
[02:57] <ogra> ah
[02:58] <cbx33> so it didnt get through
[02:58] <cbx33> it's actually unusable
[02:58] <cbx33> i can't install at all
[02:58] <cbx33> now 2 things have changed since then
[02:59] <cbx33> I upgraded to dapper
[02:59] <cbx33> and the new release came out
[02:59] <cbx33> pips1: hehehe
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know what this is about? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuUserManagement?highlight=%28Edubuntu%29
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still need that page, or can we delete it?
[03:03] <ogra> highvoltage, thats an obsolete spec from montreal we dropped ... feel free to delete that page
[03:03] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'll try to do some wiki cleanup tonight
[03:03] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[03:03] <cbx33> did you wanna work through that with me?
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, great. i'm doing some now to. i can't get myself to do work work right now so i'm doing edubuntu work now and work work tonight :)
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: sure, i'll do it now
[03:04] <cbx33> ok let's
[03:04] <cbx33> go
[03:04] <cbx33> the first 4
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: i've already deleted quite a few pages ;)
[03:04] <cbx33> are you happy they are covered by ESA?
[03:04] <cbx33> cool
[03:05] <highvoltage> no
[03:06] <highvoltage> you're refering to the first 4 links in EdubuntuWikiCleanup, right?
[03:06] <cbx33> ok,
[03:06] <cbx33> can we condense
[03:06] <cbx33> into just one page?
[03:06] <highvoltage> yes, that would be great
[03:06] <highvoltage> what do you propose the page should be called?
[03:06] <cbx33> ok, I'm thinking should we just delete them all, seeing as they are probably OOD now
[03:07] <highvoltage> it is kind of obsolete, but useful for historical reasons
[03:07] <highvoltage> yeah, they are
[03:07] <cbx33> EdubuntuInstalledApplications
[03:07] <highvoltage> good choice, i think it's best to merge them all first, and then edit it down
[03:07] <cbx33> ok
[03:07] <cbx33> want me to do that
[03:07] <cbx33> I can just copy paste all pages into one?
[03:08] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, that sounds good
[03:08] <cbx33> ok I'll do that now
[03:09] <highvoltage> ogra: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuAutomaticLoadBalancing should be a spec in Launchpad instead, right?
[03:10] <ogra> highvoltage, drop it, its empty
[03:11] <ogra> if we ever get to clustering or round robin setups for ltsp it can get a new spec
[03:11] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[03:11] <highvoltage> noted
[03:11] <cbx33> highvoltage: done
[03:11] <lucasvo> bzr is cool
[03:11] <lucasvo> http://viewbzr.vincisolutions.org/mercury?cmd=changelog;rev=
[03:11] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstalledApplications
[03:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: did you delete the old pages?
[03:12] <cbx33> not yet
[03:12] <highvoltage> ok
[03:12] <cbx33> if I do I'll have to check for links
[03:12] <cbx33> I'll make a note on wikickllean up that they are going to be deleted
[03:12] <highvoltage> oh no. windowmaker is so awful: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWindowMaker
[03:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok
[03:13] <ogra> highvoltage, to tell this to mhz
[03:13] <ogra> s/to/dont/
[03:14] <cbx33> you're lucky he's not here
[03:15] <lucasvo> xfce is much better!
[03:15] <highvoltage> absolutely
[03:16] <ogra> no need for that, read the page :)
[03:17] <cbx33> highvoltage: TeachersPet ?
[03:18] <ogra> mark that as spec please
[03:18] <cbx33> ogra: livecd is unusable on VMware :S
[03:18] <cbx33> ok
[03:18] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'm suggesting a specs link on the edubuntuwiki page
[03:18] <ogra> there should also be a note that s-c-p is there as an initial implementation to be extended
[03:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: how so? it's easily searchable in launchpad
[03:19] <ogra> (i dont mean a LP spec, just that people know its only a brainstorming page)
[03:19] <cbx33> no
[03:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think we can have a launchpad spec link from the www instead
[03:19] <cbx33> but any that we come across can then be link to that page
[03:19] <highvoltage> ah, ok
[03:20] <highvoltage> geez, i don't know what to do about teacherspet. shall we come back to that later?
[03:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: the WorkstationDefinitions, i agree with you there, we can move it to a Glossary page in Drupal
[03:20] <ogra> highvoltage, see above ... add a sentence at the top like: this is the page where we collect ideas on how to enhance our student-control-panel
[03:21] <ogra> and keep it as it is
[03:21] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[03:21] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachingTools
[03:22] <ogra> isnt that one from hedgemage ?
[03:22] <cbx33> elkner
[03:22] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, did it
[03:23] <ogra> cbx33, thats crap, but if you delete it, you'll have fun with elkner
[03:23] <cbx33> ogra: i know
[03:23] <highvoltage> ogra: i just changed ideas to 'ideas and enhancements'
[03:23] <ogra> additionally its pre breezy
[03:24] <ogra> highvoltage, fine
[03:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think we'll have to mark some pages as 'talk to person x about this page'
[03:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: so that we can deal with a page without intruding or hurting someone's work
[03:24] <cbx33> yeh
[03:24] <cbx33> i agree
[03:25] <cbx33> highvoltage: you still editing that page?
[03:25] <highvoltage> /Edubuntu that links to /EdubuntuWiki, we need to keep that, since /Edubuntu was the original Edubuntu page on the Ubuntu Wiki, before the two got merged. I've seen some sites hardlink to it, so we need to keep it there
[03:25] <highvoltage> cbx33: nope
[03:26] <cbx33> ok
[03:26] <cbx33> I'll edit now
[03:27] <cbx33> done
[03:27] <cbx33> brb
[03:42] <cbx33> now where were we?
[03:43] <highvoltage> deleting more pages...
[03:43] <cbx33> nice from the wikicleanup page?
[03:43] <highvoltage> from there too, i deleted some other old pages too, like empty theme pages
[03:43] <cbx33> I'm thinking we should keep that page for a while and add on there pages we delete
[03:44] <cbx33> highvoltage: are you checking for links
[03:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: for sensitive pages, yes. i mean, there are some pages that you know someone won't link to
[03:44] <highvoltage> brb too...
[03:44] <cbx33> suew
[03:44] <cbx33> sure
[03:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: i took Edubuntu out of that page, we're not going to do anything with it anyway
[03:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: i was going to take things out as we go along, but i see what you mean by listing it there first, so that we keep a temporary record?
[03:46] <cbx33> yes
[03:46] <cbx33> i think it would be a good idea
[03:46] <cbx33> along with a reason why it was deleted
[03:48] <pips1> installCD, erase disk, amd64 PASS
[03:48] <jsgotangco> awesome
[03:51] <ogra> yay
[03:57] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still need this page? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData
[03:58] <ogra> 7me doesnt even know what that is ...
[03:58] <cbx33> highvoltage: looks cooky?
[03:58] <ogra> lol
[03:58] <ogra> wikipwdia ~150MB
[03:58] <ogra> hahaha
[03:59] <ogra> what were we dreaming :)
[03:59] <cbx33> indeed
[03:59] <highvoltage> hehe
[03:59] <cbx33> my guess redundant now
[03:59] <ogra> highvoltage, i think you can either keep it as a suggestion collection or just wipe it ...
[03:59] <highvoltage> ogra: i told everyone at the summit that it's *not* that small :)
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i think i'm going to mark it as something we need to look at again, i have a 200MB wikipedia collection that's very nice, that we're going to use in tuxlabs
[04:00] <cbx33> highvoltage: nice
[04:00] <ogra> i mean, its clear we'll never have that much space, but probably people want to package stuff for add on CDs so thats a good collection of suggestions what to use for that
[04:00] <cbx33> maybe like an add on disk
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: we could possibly add that to a second cd, assuming we'll have space (and assuming we'll have a second cd)
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: it could certainly be in universe some day, right?
[04:01] <cbx33> highvoltage: i think that's an excellent idea
[04:02] <ogra> highvoltage, yeps
[04:03] <highvoltage> great!
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: do you think it's likely that there will ever be a gui tool for the chroot dist-upgrade?
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: (sorry for these feature request questions so close to release, btw)
[04:06] <pips1_> ogra, following your LTSPClientKEymap tutorial, I entered gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" and got (gedit:10271): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:06] <pips1_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified  are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:06] <pips1_> ** (gedit:10271): WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 1 (File not found) in gedit_unr ecoverable_saving_error_message_area_new. Do I need to 'touch' the file "lts.conf" first for that to work, or smth?
[04:09] <pips1_> I'm now "stuck" in gksudo... need to kill it off...
[04:13] <JaneW> whew, finally got the SoC mails out
[04:13] <JaneW> that was a marathon
[04:13] <JaneW> cbx33: http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/ ;)
[04:14] <pips1_> sorry for the noise, ignore my last question :-)
[04:16] <highvoltage> JaneW: do i assume correctly that this was never released? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuPressRelease
[04:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: can we delete it?
[04:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes I think it can be deleted
[04:20] <jsgotangco> Edubuntu amd64 Install CD auto-resize PASS
[04:21] <pips1> nice
[04:23] <cbx33> eheheh JaneW :)
[04:23] <cbx33> that rawks
[04:24] <JaneW> cbx33: I just showed ani-ME gto my son and said 'who is that?' and he immediately said 'You' *beame*
[04:24] <JaneW> then he saw the homies and mentioned that it was similar, and I said the same person made them, and so he said 'oh so they decided to put your face on it'
[04:24] <highvoltage> :)
[04:24] <highvoltage> lol!
[04:25] <cbx33> hehehe
[04:25] <cbx33> that's cute
[04:25] <JaneW> so there you have it, there must be some (facial - at least) resemblance
[04:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: your face on another woman's body ;)
[04:25] <highvoltage> *ducks
[04:25] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'd do more than duck
[04:26] <JaneW> cbx33: please thank her for me, I am very flattered, impressed and grateful.
[04:26] <cbx33> this is action adventurer JaneW we're talking about
[04:26] <cbx33> np
[04:27] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still want this page? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap
[04:27] <JaneW> cbx33: yeah well highvoltage has seen me tuck into food, drink and cake etc, so he harbours no illusions about me ;P
[04:27] <cbx33> isn't that linked to on the front wiki page highvoltage ?
[04:28] <highvoltage> hmmm.. it shouldn't be... 5.10 was released ages ago :)
[04:28] <cbx33> oh yeh, but i mean we need to remove it if it is
[04:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think you're thinking of DapperReleaseSchedule
[04:29] <cbx33> possibly
[04:29] <cbx33> ahh...no i was thinking about the events section
[04:30] <jsgotangco> pffttt
[04:30] <cbx33> sup jsgotangco
[04:30] <jsgotangco> working not like you slackers, chatting on irc
[04:31] <cbx33> I'm working I'll have you know :p
[04:31] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:31] <cbx33> worked my little ass off today :p
[04:31] <highvoltage> dejavu :)
[04:42] <pips1> hey jinty
[04:45] <cbx33> highvoltage: howz it going
[04:45] <cbx33> I'm back now for a while
[04:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: good
[04:51] <highvoltage> hehe. this is sweet
[04:51] <highvoltage> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuBelowZero/EdubuntuTalk?highlight=%28Edubuntu%29
[04:51] <highvoltage> """Oliver ogra Grawert
[04:51] <highvoltage> He works with Jane W to make edubuntu. """
[04:53] <cbx33> hehehe
[04:53] <jsgotangco> cleaning up namespaces?
[04:53] <cbx33> jsgotangco: cleaning up wiki full stop
[04:54] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep, and old obsolete pages. there are *many* of them
[04:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:54] <jsgotangco> for some reason i have very little interest of wikis
[04:54] <cbx33> I'm afraid I may not have much time tonight
[04:54] <cbx33> I have to do some flash animation
[04:55] <cbx33> yuk !!!
[04:55] <jsgotangco> i like flirting with such sometimes
[04:55] <cbx33> flirting with flash
[04:55] <cbx33> that's a good title fo a book
[04:55] <cbx33> but not to be confused with
[04:55] <cbx33> flirting with flashing
[04:55] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:55] <cbx33> that can get you in trouble
[04:56] <cbx33> not that I'd know about such things
[04:56] <pips1> pffft
[04:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: can we delete https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans ?
[04:56] <jsgotangco> cbx33: do you watch the premiereship?
[04:56] <cbx33> jsgotangco: not really
[04:56] <cbx33> I'm aware of it's existance
[04:56] <cbx33> and no it was not me streaking on there :p
[04:56] <jsgotangco> ok i was hoping to see you edubuntu streak there sometime
[04:56] <jsgotangco> oh well
[04:57] <cbx33> hehe
[04:57] <cbx33> tell you what, boy would that get ubuntu a lot of media coverage
[04:57] <cbx33> we should get someone to make some edubuntu crop circles :p
[04:57] <cbx33> bye hi
[04:57] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:58] <pips1> highvoltage: there he went in a flash!
[04:58] <cbx33> pips1: :p
[05:02] <pips1>  339740348  47%    1.70MB/s    0:03:32
[05:02] <pips1>  <-- If that were only true...
[05:11] <cbx33> ogra: i386 has crashed installing on my VMware machine
[05:11] <cbx33> configuring python2.4-zopeinterface
[05:11] <cbx33> 60%
[05:11] <cbx33> it's just sitting there
[05:12] <cbx33> i can still activater a console
[05:13] <cbx33> anything you want me to try
[05:13] <cbx33> bearing in mind my vmware installs worked fine the other day
[05:14] <pips1> ogra, FYI I found out what country code i need to use for the clients for swiss-german keyboard. It's 'ch' (not 'de_CH')!
[05:15] <cbx33> pips1: :D
[05:16] <cbx33> I'm gonna have to packup soon ogra, I'll try to suspend my VM
[05:17] <cbx33> so we can investigate later if you want to
[05:19] <pips1> I need to go now too ...
[05:19] <pips1> it's a shame that powerpc live cd hasn't finished downloading yet.
[05:19] <pips1> i'll need to test that later this evening
[05:23] <pips1> observation: the log out screen takes aaages to appear :-(
[05:23] <pips1> both on server itself and on thin clients...
[05:55] <mhz> !seen highvoltage
[05:55] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 1h 4m 20s ago, saying: 'He works with Jane W to make edubuntu. """'.
[06:21] <blue-frog> I installed edubuntu from the cd install in vmware >> no problem. works fine
[06:40] <mhz> blue-frog: good news
[06:41] <blue-frog> if i install edubuntu on my laptop using the livecd install then do apt-get edubuntu server, the final result will be exactly the same than installing from edubuntu install cd?
[06:44] <mhz> blue-frog: yup
[06:44] <mhz> apt-get install edubuntu-server
[06:44] <blue-frog> yes yes
[06:45] <mhz> apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <blue-frog> *lazy on keyboard...*
[06:45] <mhz> and finally, ltsp-build-client
[06:45] <mhz> then you should have same results
[06:45] <blue-frog> desktop no need as am using edu livecd
[06:45] <mhz> oh, yes
[06:45] <mhz> sorry
[06:45] <mhz> that was kind of an automated response :)
[06:46] <mhz> blue-frog: I also tried netbooting and then the aforementioned procedure
[06:46] <blue-frog> I could try to wipe my entire HDD so that I can let the install finish blind but I don't want to reinstall freaking windows I use for my tests of miexd networks
[06:47] <mhz> of course, that gave a ubuntu server netboot install only because Edubuntu does not have a netboot image
[06:49] <blue-frog> I have a problem with edu/ubuntu install on my sony. I have a black screen at the xserver resolution config, then the install goes on alright but as I have windows am messing up the grub install (as I do it blind). tried to install grub from rescue mode afterwrds following wiki but with no luck
[06:49] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:51] <Laser_away> my goodness, this can is way to active :-)
[06:51] <Laser_away> it takes forever for me to read the backlog
[06:51] <jsgotangco> ?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:52] <blue-frog> wow think I made it finishing the install blind :)
[06:52] <blue-frog> rebooting...
[06:53] <blue-frog> yes yes yes yes yes
[06:53] <Laser_away> opps sorry, I should watch what I'm typing better. s/can/channel/
[06:54] <blue-frog> Laser_away, *should watch what he is drinking :) *
[06:54] <blue-frog> *in his can*
[06:54] <Laser_away> lol
[06:54] <blue-frog> got a ubuntu question
[06:55] <blue-frog> the install asked me for a password but not for a user account name, is that a trick to confuse the ennemy?
[06:55] <blue-frog> which leaves me at login scrren without a user name to write in
[06:55] <Laser_away> which install?
[06:55] <blue-frog> ubuntu cd install
[06:56] <blue-frog> was surprised to jump directly to password during install that I did a go back
[06:56] <blue-frog> but then jumped again to password so i thought oh well there must be a default user name
[06:57] <blue-frog> such as admin or ubuntu, but apparently not
[06:58] <blue-frog> gonna go in recovery mode to have a look
[06:58] <blue-frog> and will reinstall for the 10th time today to see if it happens again..
[06:59] <blue-frog> *is getting very good at blind install on its laptop
[06:59] <blue-frog> his*
[07:00] <blue-frog> oh yeah got it cho0se the oem install
[07:00] <blue-frog> so iwas right assuming there was a default user name created... oem
[07:22] <ogra> blue-frog, can you add your installation results to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current ?
[07:22] <ogra> btw, installing edubuntu-server doesnt give you the same as an edubuntu insallation, you have to set up all of ltsp manually
[07:36] <blue-frog> rah.. well am trying (yet) another blind install of edubuntu, hopefully will succed at some poinmt :)
[07:39] <highvoltage> booya!
[07:42] <Burgwork> highvoltage, hmm?
[07:42] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[07:42] <cbx33> hi Burgwork
[07:42] <cbx33> hi pygi
[07:42] <highvoltage> Burgwork: just a loud expression of hello. i don't know where it comes from though :)
[07:42] <pygi> hey cbx33
[07:42] <highvoltage> hey cbx33
[07:42] <Burgwork> salut cbx33
[07:45] <cbx33> anyone know of an opensource sound effect library
[07:50] <cbx33> LaserJock,
[07:50] <cbx33> w00t
[07:50] <blue-frog> to be sure cause I have a doubt now, on the edubuntu install cd, when I choose install workstation, it's installing an edubuntu server?
[07:50] <cbx33> i fixed the python problem
[07:50] <cbx33> and i have made an update
[07:51] <ogra> blue-frog, its installing what you chose ... a workstation ....
[07:51] <cbx33> ogra, did you see my message earlier about that VMware install that failed
[07:51] <ogra> (in opposition to a server, which is the default)
[07:51] <ogra> cbx33, yes
[07:51] <ogra> did anybody else any test installs ?
[07:52] <blue-frog> I think am pretty much messed up with the cd's I have downloadded then
[07:55] <blue-frog> i have 7 choices on this dvd, amogst them are start or install edubuntu and install a workstation so if i choose first I install edu server or am i using a livecd?
[07:56] <blue-frog> booting a livecd... so i have the wrong dvd :(
[07:56] <ogra> as i said before, i havent seen the dvd at all, but i know both images are on the dvd
[07:56] <blue-frog> maybe but not in the boot menu then
[07:57] <blue-frog> no rescue mode menu either
[07:58] <blue-frog> so i guess that if I want to install edu server from the dvd I have I have to do F6 at boot and change the command line?
[08:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: get my email?
[08:03] <LaserJock> ogra: quick question, will installing ltsp-server on an Ubuntu install get me everything I need for to set up an edubuntu-like LTSP?
[08:04] <ogra> with ltsp-server you need an external dhcp server that needs to be properly configured
[08:05] <ogra> and you need to install openssh-server alonside, its only in recommends or suggests ...
[08:05] <ogra> for a completely standalone server use ltsp-server-stansalone (and openssh-server)
[08:06] <ogra> after installing that package you run: sudo ltsp-build-client, edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match a static ip on the server, restart dhcpd and you are done
[08:06] <LaserJock> ok, so I have a DSL router that has dhcp, is that going to be a problem?
[08:06] <ogra> yep
[08:07] <ogra> unless you can adjust parameters for rootpath and the kernel in its dhcp server
[08:07] <LaserJock> :(
[08:07] <LaserJock> so much for my brilliant idea ;-)
[08:07] <ogra> just switch dhcp off
[08:07] <ogra> and use the edubuntu dhcp server :)
[08:08] <LaserJock> so the dhcp *has* to be coming from the edubuntu server?
[08:08] <ogra> no
[08:09] <ogra> but if your router doesnt support the necessary settings, then yes
[08:09] <LaserJock> ok
[08:09] <LaserJock> I was also trying to think of a way to do it at work too
[08:09] <ogra> but its quite trivial to set up
[08:10] <LaserJock> ok, at work all the computers have static IPs, can ltsp work with that?
[08:11] <ogra> nope
[08:11] <ogra> you need a dhcp server for PXE booting
[08:11] <blue-frog> ogra i need your help the cd /dvd/ images are giving me a hard time, i followed the link you gave https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current  then from there i clicked on DVD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/  then I try to rsync using rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso udj:/media/data/iso/ubuntu/dapper-dvd-i386.iso, as a result it gives me @ERROR: Unknown module 'dvd'
[08:11] <LaserJock> wonderful :/
[08:12] <blue-frog> i mean without the udj: of course..
[08:13] <ogra> try rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso
[08:13] <LaserJock> blue-frog: you want to test the Ubuntu DVD?
[08:14] <blue-frog> I want to rsync the dvd i have indeed as on the one i have I have either live eduubnut or install workstation, no other relevant choices
[08:14] <LaserJock> blue-frog: but you want Ubuntu or Edubuntu?
[08:14] <blue-frog>  edu
[08:14] <ogra> try rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso then
[08:14] <blue-frog> and later ubu
[08:15] <blue-frog> I just want to understand why I don't have the menus you are all talking about... :(
[08:15] <LaserJock> how has been talking about DVD menus? I didn't know anybody was using them
[08:16] <blue-frog> well you are talking about menus from the install cds, i expect to find them on the dvd as well...
[08:17] <blue-frog> *off to read a story to kid, brb*
[08:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[08:18] <cbx33> I got your email
[08:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, if you have a windows DHCP server at work you can use that
[08:19] <pips1> ogra, just tested the powerpc install cd on my imac (G5) and failed. Same failure as two days ago. Should I list that in the testing/current table?
[08:19] <ogra> pips1, yes please and file a bug
[08:20] <ogra> (note all relevant info about the HW and attach /var/log/installer/syslog to the bug)
[08:20] <LaserJock> cbx33: I have *no* dhcp server at work :-)
[08:20] <ogra> LaserJock, so nobody would use one if there were one, perfect ;)
[08:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, yeh what ogra said
[08:20] <cbx33> that's a good thing
[08:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, how are we gonna work that bazaar repo?
[08:21] <ogra> LaserJock, just do an edubuntu default install and everytime you switch the PCs to PXE boot, they'll be thin clients
[08:21] <ogra> if you switch them back they will just use their static IPs
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, maybe I'll just do that. The thing is I already have an Ubuntu install on the machine
[08:22] <pips1> ogra, i filed the bug here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/46138
[08:22] <LaserJock> so I was considering just adding the LTSP part onto my current Ubuntu install
[08:22] <ogra> then install ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server and do what i said above
[08:22] <ogra> pips1, thanks, please note it on the wiki
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, thanks. I think I'll try it ;-)
[08:22] <pips1> ogra, I'll try to get /var/log/installer/syslog as well
[08:23] <ogra> pips1, thats only in the system after reboot, else its /var/log/syslog in the installer
[08:31] <pips1> ogra, I can't get a console :-(
[08:31] <ogra> alt-f2 doesnt help ?
[08:31] <pips1> nope
[08:31] <ogra> :(
[08:31] <pips1> yeah
[08:32] <pips1> the ventilator is running but otherwise it seems pretty much frozen
[08:33] <pips1> I remember there are some instructions (wiki page) for system freezes... would that help? but I guess not much I can do without a console, right?
[08:33] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know if iMacs PXE boot?
[08:33] <cbx33> LaserJock, no they don;t
[08:34] <cbx33> do they?
[08:34] <ogra> LaserJock, you need some magic in the dhcpd.conf for them ...
[08:34] <ogra> but they netboot by holding down N on boot
[08:34] <cbx33> :S
[08:34] <LaserJock> ok, well it probably wouldn't work anyway since it is an intel iMac
[08:35] <ogra> oh, no, that wont work yet
[08:35] <LaserJock> it would be reaaaly sweet to be able to do that though
[08:36] <pips1> what key is the 'SysRq' key that the DebuggingSystemCrash wiki page talks about?
[08:37] <cbx33> print screen normally
[08:37] <cbx33> pips1,
[08:37] <highvoltage> ctrl+print screen
[08:37] <pips1> ah, cheers !
[08:37] <cbx33> highvoltage, is it ctrl+printscreen?
[08:37] <cbx33> i never knew that
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[08:38] <cbx33> so would that be Ctrl+Alt+PrintScreen+t
[08:38] <highvoltage> erm... sorry, now i'm not so sure myself :/
[08:39] <highvoltage> it might be plus the ctrl... i don't know. normally, just SysRq = ctrl+PrtSc
[08:39] <highvoltage> pips1: try both and let us know :)
[08:41] <blue-frog> *is back
[08:41] <pips1> erm... there isn't a 'PrtSc' key on the imac keyboard?!
[08:42] <pips1> any mac experts here?
[08:42] <cbx33> oh.....sorry thought you mean pc
[08:42] <pips1> no, it on my shiny new imac
[08:43] <pips1> my first mac since a looong time
[08:43] <LaserJock> nice, I've got a 2 month old iMac
[08:43] <LaserJock> my first mac
[08:43] <pips1> :-)
[08:43] <pips1> so LaserJock do you know what the equivalent key for SysRq or PrtSc would be?
[08:44] <LaserJock> I don't, I was just staring at my keyboard trying to figure it out
[08:45] <LaserJock> neato, I've just got the little booklet thing they ship with it
[08:46] <cbx33> awww...
[08:46] <cbx33> my rubs LaserJock
[08:46] <cbx33> 's hair
[08:46] <cbx33> he's a mac baby
[08:47] <LaserJock> hehe, I even figured out how to get glade and pygtk installed on it for you cbx33
[08:48] <cbx33> awww. LaserJock you rock
[08:51] <pips1> nah
[08:51] <pips1> i'll have to google about this later, now I got to go
[08:52] <ogra> pips1, thanks for testing
[08:52] <pips1> ogra, I'll reference it in the testing/current anyway.
[08:52] <pips1> np
[08:52] <pips1> cu l8r!
[08:52] <ogra> ciao, and thanks again !
[08:54] <blue-frog> ogra any reason why I can't rsync cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso? it gives me  connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]   rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(434)
[08:54] <blue-frog> had same error using your rsyncer tool
[08:55] <blue-frog> ./rsyncer.sh --arch i386  only rsynced dapper-live-i386.iso
[08:55] <ogra> hmm, i'm currently rsyncing the dvd here
[08:55] <ogra> seems to go well
[08:55] <blue-frog> not dvd now :) just cd :)
[08:55] <ogra> dapper-dvd-amd64.iso
[08:55] <ogra>    899238625  26%  203.93kB/s    3:26:22
[08:55] <blue-frog> am currently rsync the dvd, so far so good
[08:55] <ogra> indeed i rsynced the CDs before
[08:56] <blue-frog> but i can't rsync cd but the live one
[08:57] <blue-frog> i try to rsync everything to try to get the same cds /dvds you are all using cause it seems that we are not speaking of the same cds /dvds :)
[08:59] <blue-frog> for example on this edu cd i rsync yesterday when I boot i have the following choices... install in text mode, install a workstation, check cd, rescue, mem,boot from hdd
[08:59] <blue-frog> so is install in text mode the edubuntu server install?
[08:59] <ogra> yep
[08:59] <ogra> yep
[08:59] <blue-frog> ahhhhh
[09:00] <ogra> the one you get if you simply hit enter on boot :)
[09:00] <blue-frog> yep but as opposed to install wrkstation right after it, took it for the nongraphical install so i didn't bother
[09:01] <blue-frog> is it on purpose?
[09:01] <blue-frog> not to write install edubuntu server
[09:01] <ogra> it wasnt changed by me, and was changed just recently, it used to say "install to the haddisk"
[09:02] <ogra> *harddisk
[09:02] <blue-frog> ok but why not install edubuntu server (just plain and simple?)
[09:02] <ogra> its because the ubuntu CD naming scheme changed
[09:02] <blue-frog> oh la lal la :)
[09:02] <ogra> the install CD (which is our default) is called alternate textmode install CD for ubuntu
[09:03] <ogra> so thats made quite prominent ... even in the menu ... semms we just inherited that wording
[09:03] <blue-frog> *is afraid that we will have soon a lot of people coming here saying that edubuntu server is not working as they will all install a workstation being scared by the "text mode stuff"
[09:04] <ogra> the CD cover text is pretty clear (if you hit enter ...blah)
[09:04] <blue-frog> when you get a cd from shipit yes... but when you download..
[09:04] <ogra> but i agree, we probably should revert it to "install to harddisk"
[09:06] <blue-frog> I dind't read the naming scheme cause i still don't get what problem underlies in naming it edubuntu server install, do you have a link for it pls?
[09:06] <blue-frog> i mean for the naming scheme thinggy
[09:07] <ogra> thats an ubuntu marketing thing ... the install CD isnt on shipit anymore, so the live CD was renamed to desktop CD
[09:08] <ogra> and the former ubuntu install CD is now called alternate CD
[09:08] <blue-frog> just a question with no offence from my part but just sad curioisity, are marketing people testing the cds sometimes, meaning just booting them at least
[09:08] <ogra> since we send out the install and not the live CD via shipit for edubuntu, we kept the old scheme
[09:09] <ogra> blue-frog, the install in textmode is inherited automatically from ubuntu
[09:09] <blue-frog> yes yes I read what you are telling me
[09:09] <ogra> i wasnt aware of it before you told me and i cant change it now
[09:09] <blue-frog> rah if only I didn't get demotivated for so long...
[09:10] <ogra> for ubuntu (which has no workstation mode) thats the right wording
[09:14] <blue-frog> could you have something on the download page stating this in big? saying to install edubuntu server they have to choose text mode?
[09:14] <blue-frog> cause I know that all downloaders will end with workstation in the end otherwise
[09:15] <ogra> nope, i'd rather fix the text
[09:15] <blue-frog> well if you can yes of coursee it's best
[09:15] <ogra> i just cant do it now
[09:15] <blue-frog> oh by now you rgiht now but not before final release?
[09:16] <blue-frog> you mean right now
[09:16] <blue-frog> i rephrase...
[09:16] <blue-frog> by now you mean you can't right now but will do for final release
[09:18] <ogra> i'll talk with Kamion (who has to make the actual change) but he's out for the evening now
[09:20] <blue-frog> *trying another blind install, hoping he will succeed on giving blindly the right answers for grub :) *
[09:26] <ogra> enter should suffice :)
[09:57] <cbx33> ogra, got time for a quick python question in pm?
[10:01] <Burgwork> Amaranth, really, having that much fun already?
[10:01] <Amaranth> heh
[10:01] <Burgwork> think a whole summer's worth of quality fun like this!
[10:02] <Amaranth> i'm thinking i'd get done faster doing the whole thing from scratch :P
[10:03] <Burgwork> heh. Here anything from the author?
[10:03] <Amaranth> nope
[10:03] <LaserJock> Amaranth: it's written in Python, right?
[10:03] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:04] <Burgwork> LaserJock, there is your project!
[10:04] <LaserJock> Burgwork: no thanks
[10:04] <LaserJock> I've got a little one going with cbx33
[10:04] <Burgwork> right
[10:04] <cbx33> heheh
[10:04] <LaserJock> we'll see how that goes
[10:05] <cbx33> heheh
[10:05] <LaserJock> I don't think trying out programming with a rewrite of willow would be wise for me
[10:05] <Burgwork> LaserJock, what little project?
[10:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: ^^ ?
[10:06] <cbx33> gISOMount
[10:06] <cbx33> you can guess pretty much most of it from the title :p
[10:07] <cbx33> but will be a good introduction
[10:07] <Burgwork> what is the use case?
[10:07] <cbx33> say you download an iso, or even have one stored onthe computer and you want to mount it....as a virtual CD
[10:08] <cbx33> yeh you can mount via command line
[10:08] <Burgwork> hmm
[10:08] <cbx33> but you could do it graphicall via gISOMount
[10:08] <Burgwork> are you going to make a hook in nautilus for this as well?
[10:08] <cbx33> i was hoping to
[10:08] <Burgwork> for me, that is the kind of thing that would be the most useful
[10:09] <Burgwork> in fact, if you can make nautilus simply understand them, that would be rocking
[10:09] <cbx33> well we'll work on it
[10:10] <LaserJock> I even have a case where a company distributed their proprietar driver as an .iso
[10:10] <cbx33> Burgwork, kinda like, right click an iso -> mount to... :p
[10:10] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[10:10] <bluefrog-10> at last after two days of typing blindly things I've succeeded installing edu server on my freaking vaio
[10:10] <cbx33> :D
[10:10] <cbx33> nice one bluefrog-10
[10:11] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:11] <bluefrog-10> meaning if you have a problem of installing edu server with no screen and on pc with a windows system on it, just call me... :)
[10:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, looks like we could be onto something really useful
[10:12] <LaserJock> perhaps :-)
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> in the help toics (system >> help >> system doc) there is no links to the getting started page by jonathan carter?
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> so if someone if getting the cd and installing it without an internet connection he is dead in the water regarding the finetuning of dhcp?
[10:16] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, getting started isn;t in edubuntu docs
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> sad
[10:17] <cbx33> well as far as I know
[10:17] <crimsun> ogra: ping(unlikely?), if you have a few minutes to spare and are on dapper/ppc
[10:17] <ogra> erm
[10:17] <cbx33> ogra, am i right?
[10:18] <ogra> gettingstarted is the only content of edubuntu-docs currently
[10:18] <cbx33> oh
[10:18] <cbx33> sorry
[10:18] <cbx33> ogra, what was I creating then?
[10:18] <ogra> crimsun, i am on dapper ppc
[10:18] <crimsun> ogra: is dmix working properly for you?
[10:18] <bluefrog-10> yes online but not accessible if no internet connction, am i correct?
[10:18] <ogra> crimsun, as far as i can tell yes
[10:18] <ogra> bluefrog-10, yes
[10:19] <ogra> bluefrog-10, it was a space problem
[10:19] <crimsun> ogra: ok, thanks
[10:20] <cbx33> so getting started isn't in the edubuntu-docs package is it?
[10:20] <ogra> crimsun, but i'm still running a -20 kernel on this ibook
[10:20] <ogra> cbx33, read abopve
[10:20] <crimsun> ogra: that's ok, I'm chasing an alsa-lib issue
[10:20] <ogra> thats outdated as werll
[10:20] <ogra> *well
[10:21] <crimsun> ogra: as long as it's 1.0.10-2ubuntuFoo, that's what matters
[10:21] <cbx33> ogra, sorry dude it must be late....I'm still confused
[10:21] <cbx33> but nevermind
[10:21] <cbx33> :p
[10:21] <ogra> but by the looks of it i have to also test ppc isos today (even i'm pretty exhausted after a night with 3h of sleep) so i can taest that later on a liveCD or testinstall
[10:23] <ogra> crimsun, 1.0.10-2ubuntu1 here
[10:26] <crimsun> ogra: that's fine. (It doesn't affect ppc but i386/ice17*, but the syntax for the format is what I'm concerned about)
[10:26] <ogra> ok
[10:28] <crimsun> (thanks again)
[10:37] <bluefrog-10> where all that happens during installation is logged pls, am filling in a bug report and I would like to see if I find a trace of my screen goes black somewhere?
[10:38] <ogra> in the installed system thats in /var/log/installer/syslog
[10:38] <bluefrog-10> k
[10:43] <bluefrog-10> do i have to be root to open /var/log/installer/syslog, using log viewer as admin user it tells me it's not a log file?
[10:45] <bluefrog-10> euh hang on the install created user can't sudo?
[10:47] <bluefrog-10> ah caps..
[10:47] <bluefrog-10> ok sudo cat makes the trick
[10:52] <ogra> sudo chmod a+r /var/log/installer/syslog
[10:52] <bluefrog-10> ok i have it...one more question
[10:53] <bluefrog-10> when filling in the bug what files do I attach only syslog or all the files in va/.../installer
[10:53] <ogra> syslog and keep the others in case kamion needs them
[10:53] <bluefrog-10> k
[10:54] <bluefrog-10> I made a search in dapper bugs apparently will be the first one to fill in bugs for sony vaio,
[10:57] <bluefrog-10> oh no file management menu where you tell your puter that you want single click has disappeared as well :(
[10:59] <bluefrog-10> are gnome devs trying to erase all that makes user's life easier?
[11:00] <ogra> i have this here in my nautilus settings
[11:00] <ogra> in the behavior tab
[11:00] <bluefrog-10> ah nautilus settings ... looking for it ty
[11:01] <bluefrog-10> ok got it was looking for the "old" menu in system >pref
[11:02] <bluefrog-10> 20 minutes on dapper and I find it much faster than breezy... cool
[11:10] <cbx33> wish i could contact highvoltage
[11:10] <cbx33> i need to ask him where he got to on the edubuntu wiki thingajigy
[11:13] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, familiar with bug reporting?
[11:13] <cbx33> yes
[11:13] <bluefrog-10> am filling one..
[11:13] <bluefrog-10> have to click submit then edit it again to attach files?
[11:14] <cbx33> yes
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> ah :( ok ty
[11:15] <bluefrog-10> then how do I affect it to ubuntu AND edubuntu or i just leave it ubuntu as it is?
[11:16] <cbx33> what pacakge is it
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> no package (well to my knowledge) it's my black screen problem during install
[11:16] <ogra> always leave ubuntu ... there is no edubuntu in malone ...
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> ok
[11:16] <cbx33> ah, then it'll be the install pacakge....what's that called ogra
[11:16] <ogra> if its a edubuntu specific package, assign it to edubuntu-bugs ...
[11:17] <ogra> debian-installer
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> oh so i put debian installer o
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> ok
[11:18] <ogra> might be the kernel or X but d-i is a good start for such a bug ...
[11:19] <bluefrog-10> oh come on i get an error while trying to attach..
[11:19] <cbx33> ooooooh ESA is looking nice in drupal :D
[11:20] <bluefrog-10> ah title
[11:21] <LaserJock> cbx33: URL?
[11:22] <cbx33> LaserJock, unfortunately it's not published yet
[11:23] <LaserJock> doh
[11:23] <cbx33> highvoltage didn't want me to publish just yet
[11:26] <Burgwork> cbx33, is the long term plan for it to live in drupal?
[11:26] <cbx33> Burgwork, that's what we discussed
[11:26] <cbx33> isn;t it...drupal and scribus
[11:26] <Burgwork> yep
[11:27] <cbx33> phew
[11:32] <LaserJock> to bad the CDs are so overfilled, it would be fun to put more docs on the CD
[11:32] <ogra> we'll make space for them in edgy
[11:32] <cbx33> yeh
[11:36] <cbx33> ogra, there is a page highvoltage ported cross from moin
[11:36] <cbx33> it's still in moin format, which of course doesn't work in drupal
[11:36] <cbx33> think he'd mind if I formatted it up for him?
[11:37] <ogra> nope, i dont think he'd mind
[11:38] <cbx33> ok done
[11:42] <bluefrog-10> sry to bother again, If i were to patch a sony acpi driver would the following command be correct, pls?   patch -i /path/to/sony_acpi.ko sony-patch
[11:42] <crimsun> bluefrog-10: sony-patch is an xdelta?
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> wow no just copy/paste in a file information from a web site
[11:43] <crimsun> you can't patch a binary like that
[11:43] <crimsun> you probably mean to patch the kernel source and recompile that module
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> crimsun, can I pm you the info I found about that?
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> maybe you can explain to me then cause it's chinese to me
[11:45] <crimsun> give me a url, sure
[11:46] <bluefrog-10> not url it's in my inbox a mail i received long ago from a bug i filled
[11:46] <bluefrog-10> the url otherwise is http://developer.berlios.de/projects/fsfn/  (the mail is talking about that as well
[11:49] <bluefrog-10> crimsun, if it implies recompiling the kernel don't bother explaining to me :) I won't go that far
[11:50] <crimsun> it does involve recompiling the kernel.
[11:50] <crimsun> well, you really only need to build the module
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> well too bad I'll do without my fn keys then ty
[11:51] <pygi> eh, little obstacle, and you already give up bluefrog-10
[11:52] <bluefrog-10> well at another time maybe, I really need a working edubuntu server to make a demo next week, I haven't earned a single euro in more thatn one year (on the dole) so if I want to create my company (last chance for me to get a job) I don't have time to fiddle with freaking fn keys :)
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> partimage is my best friend so when demo is reday and image is done, well i'll give a shot not before :)
[11:54] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, good idea :p
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> already have much to do with samb-ldap and mail server on same edubuntu server before tuesday
[11:56] <cbx33> samba is that
[11:56] <bluefrog-10> *hopes his samba-ldap script which was working on breezy will make wonders on dapper*
[11:56] <cbx33> right nn guys+gals
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> be
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> bye
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> same for me hit the sac time
[12:50] <LaserJock> any Edubuntu people up still?
[12:55] <ogra> yes
[12:55] <LaserJock> ogra: can you comment on the color scheme in http://mdke.org/tmp/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/
[12:56] <LaserJock> is it Edubuntu enough?
[12:56] <ogra> yep
[12:56] <Burgwork> LaserJock, we should have a palette somewhere
[12:56] <ogra> the fonts are a bit to big
[12:57] <ogra> ast least the author names could be half size
[12:57] <Burgwork> ogra, it is actually my grand scheme. I don't think I am getting enough recognition :0
[12:57] <Burgwork> :)
[12:58] <LaserJock> lol
[12:58] <ogra> Burgwork, actually the logo is our palette
[12:58] <Burgwork> ah
[12:58] <ogra> heh
[12:58] <ogra> i'll suggest you for the nobel price one day :)
[12:58] <Burgwork> prize, you mean?
[12:58] <ogra> that should give you enough recognition
[12:59] <ogra> inmdeed, i'm up since 60h or so and only had a 3h nap ... my grammar and vocabulary suck a bit
[12:59] <ogra> still 8 test installs to do ...
[02:09] <scubes13> hello guys, first - I am using kubuntu (not edubuntu), but I was told to ask here
[02:09] <scubes13> I have freenx up and running on my kubuntu desktop server, I need to be able to boot the thin clients from the server - I was told about the pxes project, but I am having a hard time finding hard info on how to setup the kubuntu box to push connections to the pxe clients - any input, anyone?
[02:09] <scubes13> even docs for that matter
[02:10] <LaserJock> hmm, I have no idea about freenx and thin clients
[02:10] <LaserJock> edubuntu uses LTSP
[02:11] <scubes13> right, I just figured that LTSP prob used the pxes to allow clients to boot - I may be wrong in that assumption...
[02:13] <LaserJock> yeah, it uses PXE to boot over the network
[02:14] <scubes13> my thought is that if I can get the client to boot up into pxes via PXE on the server, then from there I can configure the NX client to go from there
[02:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I just don't know enough about it to know
[02:14] <scubes13> but as for pushing the PXE from the server, I dont even know where to begin - I realize it takes tftp and that I need to push the clients to look for the tftp via my dhcp server
[02:15] <scubes13> gotya :(
[02:15] <scubes13> :)
[02:15] <LaserJock> is there a reason to use freenx over LTSP?
[02:16] <scubes13> just seems to be lighter, esp across modems/remote lans, etc
[02:16] <ogra> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server && sudo ltsp-build-client ... then edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match a static interface on the server, restart the dhcp server and you are done ...
[02:16] <ogra> note that you cant (shouldnt) use two dhcp servers in one network
[02:16] <spacey> scubes13: ltsp is mostly used on a local area network
[02:16] <spacey> on modems/wan freenx would be useful
[02:17] <ogra> yep
[02:17] <scubes13> yeah, that was why I was looking at freenx, b/c we work a good bit remotely
[02:17] <spacey> b/c?
[02:17] <spacey> you can also do both
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ogra: go to sleep?
[02:17] <spacey> its quite late in CET now :)
[02:17] <spacey> just got back from a "party"
[02:18] <scubes13> yeah, I was also not running two dhcp servers
[02:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, one install left for today
[02:18] <scubes13> I was able to setup my pfsense firewall to let each incoming dhcp request look to the thin client server for the pxe boot file - worked pretty well
[02:19] <jsgotangco> ogra: amd64 is covered now or do you need more?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> (it seems good already)
[02:19] <ogra> this last install makes amd64 complete
[02:19] <HedgeMage> hi all :)
[02:19] <spacey> i don't think firewalls have much to do with PXE
[02:20] <spacey> ogra: madness!:P
[02:20] <ogra> well, look at our test matrix on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current
[02:20] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:20] <scubes13> spacey: no, they dont, but the clients have to know where the tftp server is that hosts the pxe files
[02:20] <ogra> there is still the whole set of ppc tests left
[02:20] <spacey> scubes13: you specify that in the dhcp lease
[02:20] <scubes13> lol, that is what I was saying
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: uncle i don't have a PPC *wink*
[02:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, but i have one ... :) tomorrow is ppc day
[02:21] <spacey> ogra: ok thats quite a lot
[02:21] <ogra> and probably i386 dvd day ...
[02:21] <scubes13> I have my pfsense firewall specifying the tftp server when it gives out the dhcp leases, therefore I am not using dhcp services on the thin client server
[02:22] <spacey> i didn't know firewalls give dhcp leases
[02:22] <scubes13> well, I have dhcp services running from my pfsense firewall
[02:22] <ogra> cat'ing the CD isos together and rsync the dvd image on top of that goes quite fast (2h for a 3.2G rsync)
[02:22] <spacey> ogra: is that limitation of your inet connection or of the syncing process?
[02:23] <spacey> 2h for 3.2G is relatively slow
[02:23] <ogra> via rsync afeter we pushed out a release candidate thats pretty fast :)
[02:23] <spacey> :)
[02:24] <spacey> oh btw
[02:24] <ogra> the servers are glowing in the DC :)
[02:24] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:24] <spacey> i will probably help in a project to ship old pc's to suriname (whatever youc all that in english)
[02:24] <spacey> i will make sure it ships edubuntu or xubuntu if there slow
[02:24] <ogra> yeah
[02:24] <spacey> its for schools there
[02:24] <ogra> thats cool
[02:25] <bimberi> Just listened to the latest Lugradio podcast.  Included an interview with a guy from http://camara.ie/ , an Irish charity sending refurbished computers to African schools.  Pre-installed with Edubuntu :)
[02:25] <spacey> yeah, i hope it will actually happen
[02:25] <ogra> spacey, will you be in paris ?
[02:25] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:25] <spacey> early planning stages now
[02:25] <spacey> ogra: nope, no time/money
[02:25] <ogra> bimberi, wow
[02:25] <ogra> spacey, bah, sad
[02:25] <spacey> insanely busy
[02:26] <spacey> well you never know what happens, but i think its a 5% chance
[02:26] <bimberi> so edubuntu got a mention and a positive reaction from the lugradio guys :)
[02:26] <ogra> bimberi, thats really cool :)
[02:26] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:26] <bimberi> ogra: indeed :)
[02:26] <HedgeMage> very cool
[02:26] <HedgeMage> brb
[02:26] <ogra> there are guys in washington doing something similar btw
[02:27] <HedgeMage> ogra: DC or state?
[02:27] <ogra> hmm, was that washington ? ....
[02:27] <jsgotangco> flint?
[02:27] <ogra> nope
[02:27] <ogra> jammcq (upstream ltsp) and whiprush run that
[02:28] <jsgotangco> ahh yeah i remember that
[02:28] <jsgotangco> that's in detroit
[02:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:28] <ogra> damned, i forgot where
[02:28] <ogra> ah, yeah detroit
[02:28] <spacey> all the same ;p
[02:28] <ogra> there behind the water
[02:28] <spacey> yeah =)
[02:28] <ogra> :)
[02:28] <spacey> far far away
[02:29] <spacey> i'm going to sleep
[02:29] <spacey> goodnight =)
[02:29] <ogra> night
[02:29] <jsgotangco> well time for me to do some RL work
[02:29] <jsgotangco> brb
[02:37] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: yeah, I always have to do that too. I'm more used to Washington being the state and D.C. obvously being the other
[02:37] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yep but not all people remember to differentiate :)
[02:38] <LaserJock> especially when they are "over there" :-)
[02:38] <ogra> haha
[02:39] <ogra> beware, you'll be "over there" yourself soon :)
[02:39] <LaserJock> yep, I email my boss about it today, hopefully he isn't too mad
[02:39] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: hehe :)
[02:40] <LaserJock> I have a hard time explaining it without saying, "I'm going to Paris to work on that thing that keeps me from doing real work."
[02:40] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[02:42] <bimberi> LaserJock: tell him that things will flip-flop - you'll probably end up thinking more about real work while you're there :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> I just went for the vauge approach
[02:43] <LaserJock> I said that I was being sponsored to go to a Linux conference, how nice
[02:43] <bimberi> good idea
[02:44] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:44] <LaserJock> well, it isn't to bad. I was the only grad student in the lab not taking time off in June and I'm taking off the least amount of time
[02:44] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:46] <bimberi> sounds like a good case to me - and how could anyone deny someone a sponsored  visit to Paris anyway
[02:47] <HedgeMage> I'll see the sites, but I think that one I'll miss
[02:47] <HedgeMage> *if I ever see Paris
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, I haven't been outside the US except for a brief Mexico trip when I was 12
[02:48] <HedgeMage> I did a short tour through part of canada when i was still singing -- that's the only time I've left the US
[02:50] <LaserJock> I never made it to Canada, don't know why exactly. It would take about 4-5 hrs to drive from where I grew up
[02:51] <HedgeMage> I'm out to restock our kitchen... see you all later tonight
[02:51] <LaserJock> cya HedgeMage
[02:52] <bimberi> bye HedgeMage
[02:53] <bimberi> LaserJock: wow, well i hope you have a great time then :)
[02:54] <bimberi> <-- away for a bit
[02:54] <LaserJock> well, it won't be a sight seeing tour, but I'll be glad to meet people and help make sure Edgy rocks too
[02:55] <LaserJock> my Grandpa is preparing a "This is were all your French ancestors came from" speech for when I see him this weekend :-)
[03:42] <Burgundavia> HIGHVOLTAGE!!!!
[03:42] <crimsun> (Is that a cry of anguish?)
[03:42] <Burgundavia> no, of anger
[03:42] <crimsun> yeah, that's my cue to totter off.
[03:43] <Burgundavia> heh
[03:43] <Amaranth> yay
[03:44] <Amaranth> http://www.divmod.org/projects/reverend
[03:44] <Amaranth> LGPL too
[03:45] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, beautiful
[03:45] <Amaranth> now all i have to do is the proxy bits :P
[03:45] <Amaranth> which is actually the hard part....
[03:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:46] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, did you see this? http://www.porchdogsoft.com/products/howl/
[03:56] <Amaranth> err
[03:56] <Amaranth> heh
[04:13] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: show Lathiat
[04:53] <jsgotangco> howl does zeroconf no?
[05:11] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:17] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, hmm, got you two mixed up
[07:08] <mhz> !seen highvoltage
[07:08] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 10h 28m 54s ago, saying: 'it might be plus the ctrl... i don't know. normally, just SysRq = ctrl+PrtSc'.
[07:16] <cbx33> morning
[07:17] <Phlosten> afternoon
[07:18] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[07:18] <highvoltage> hi cb
[07:19] <highvoltage> x33
[07:19] <cbx33> heh
[07:19] <cbx33> get my mail?
[07:19] <cbx33> can i publish esa now?
[07:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: i just got in the office, so just started downloadign mail :)
[07:20] <highvoltage> downloading 76 of 240
[07:20] <cbx33> heheh
[07:20] <cbx33> np
[07:35] <mhz> !seen highvoltage
[07:35] <ubotu> highvoltage is currently on #edubuntu (17m 6s) #ubuntu (17m 6s)
[07:35] <mhz> highvoltage: well, probably 100 are related to Viagra stuff
[07:35] <mhz> :)
[07:36] <mhz> and 1 for sure, is Corey telling you off for deleting wiki pages :D
[07:36] <cbx33> mhz, we're doing good on the old spam front
[07:36] <mhz> cbx33: wiki spam?
[07:36] <cbx33> edubuntu-devel
[07:37] <mhz> oh, yeah, you too?
[07:37] <highvoltage> hey mhz
[07:37] <cbx33> yeh, it's u and me
[07:37] <mhz> cbx33: that is why every time I log in to the Admin, I found none of the 20 notice emails I got in my ibox
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: all the pages we deleted really, really needed to be deleted :)
[07:38] <cbx33> mhz heheheh
[07:38] <mhz> highvoltage: tell that to Corey :)
[07:38] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: all the pages we deleted, really, really needed to be deleted!
[07:38] <mhz> highvoltage: lol
[07:39] <mhz> highvoltage: I died waiting for your friend's CV
[07:39] <cbx33> highvoltage; did you s e what i did on drupal
[07:39] <mhz> died  = passed ways
[07:39] <mhz> died  = passed away
[07:43] <highvoltage> mhz: i could only get in touch with him late yesterday afternoon :/
[07:43] <mhz> is he still interested?
[07:44] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, but i think you might have to move on, since of your time constraints
[07:44] <highvoltage> mhz: he needs more info to send to TSF CEO first to get permission to go
[07:44] <highvoltage> let me give you the details in PM
[07:44] <mhz> highvoltage: but I gotta "play safe". If he's interested and can send me his CV and confirmation letter (yours), then ok
[07:45] <mhz> okis
[07:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: i will in just a bit
[07:46] <mhz> highvoltage: now I am registered :)
[07:48] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, yes, but you coudl have replaced them with a link
[07:51] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i'll look at the links we deleted again, to check. although links like /PressRelease, that contained nothing but a few very draft notes about a possible press release for 5.10, doesn't really warrant having a link there. do you agree? or should everything have a link?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, if you mentioned the wiki page anywhere publicly or talked about it, it should be kept
[07:54] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: ok
[07:55] <highvoltage> i think there were some old artwork pages we deleted that was mentioned in the mailing list some time ago... we can still create a link explaining that the page used to exist, but doesn't anymore. would that be fine?
[07:55] <mhz> Has anyone seen any artwork for Edubuntu regarding CD labels ?
[07:55] <highvoltage> mhz: iirc, there were some CD labels that you created :)
[07:56] <mhz> highvoltage: hehehe, yeah but that was for Breezy. I need to know about Dapper
[07:57] <mhz> because I am calling for a breakfast for 4 to 6 journalists from diff papers, on June 1st. I will demo Edubuntu Dapper while they have breakfast :D
[07:57] <mhz> (well, that is the idea)
[07:57] <mhz> So, I could create a CD Label but I dont wanna invent wheel
[07:58] <mhz> or show something totally diff from real release
[07:59] <cbx33> mhz wow, are you gonna give them shipit cd's
[08:00] <mhz> cbx33: well, i am gonna burn 6 CD's and print 6 Cd Labels by myself
[08:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, i don't mind the converging of the glosarry at all, thanks :)
[08:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: what's the link to ESA on drupal?
[08:00] <cbx33> node/16
[08:00] <cbx33> i think
[08:00] <mhz> lol!
[08:01] <cbx33> else you'll have to log in
[08:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: ah, i've got it
[08:01] <mhz> we already started with the 'not-easy-to-remember' php names instead the PieceOfCake wiki names :D
[08:02] <cbx33> i think it's looking really good
[08:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: wow! it looks, very, very nice!
[08:02] <cbx33> gtg bbl
[08:03] <mhz> hmmm
[08:03] <mhz> cbx33: bug!
[08:03] <mhz> highvoltage: bug
[08:03] <mhz><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:03] <mhz> damn!
[08:03] <mhz> sorry
[08:04] <mhz> highvoltage: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[08:04] <highvoltage> mhz: i know, the images are too large so it shifts the menu's
[08:04] <highvoltage> we'll fix that before the end of the weekend ;)
[08:06] <highvoltage> hmmm.. seems that, it's actually just the gedit screenshot that is too big. in that case we can fix by end of day
[08:07] <jsgotangco> yo!
[08:07] <highvoltage> yo jsgotangco!
[08:08] <mhz> highvoltage: cbx33, nice work
[08:12] <highvoltage> mhz: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted :)
[08:12] <highvoltage> gimp++
[08:27] <mhz> highvoltage: my screen is 10 inches and still see text wider than page borders, hence menus disspear
[08:28] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, i'll look into that
[08:29] <mhz> thx
[09:09] <cbx33> mornin
[09:10] <cbx33> ping highvoltage
[09:14] <cbx33> ping ogra
[09:16] <Burgundavia> cbx33, anybody you not be looking for there?
[09:17] <cbx33> ping Burgundavia
[09:17] <Burgundavia> heh
[09:17] <cbx33> howz ity going corey
[09:17] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:17] <Burgundavia> about to head to bed
[09:17] <cbx33> good job
[09:18] <cbx33> Burgundavia: you're not a python expert are you
[09:18] <Burgundavia> far from it
[09:18] <Burgundavia> what is the issue?
[09:18] <cbx33> well,
[09:19] <cbx33> I'm wanting my python script to dynamically create a new cell in a table containing a text and 2 button widgets...which I can do easily
[09:19] <cbx33> I've learnt that much
[09:19] <cbx33> :p
[09:19] <cbx33> but I need a place to store these widgets
[09:19] <cbx33> like in an array
[09:19] <cbx33> I've tried like
[09:19] <cbx33> buttin[0] =gtk.Button("New")
[09:19] <cbx33> but it syas button isn't defined
[09:20] <cbx33> any ideas Burgundavia ?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> nope, sorry
[09:45] <cbx33> ping crimsun
[09:46] <cbx33> no one here knows where mplayer hath gone do they?
[09:53] <JaneW> pbor: pygi normally arrives a little later - give it a few hours
[09:53] <pbor> JaneW: no prob
[09:53] <pbor> I don't have any hurry
[09:54] <pbor> JaneW: thank you
[09:56] <JaneW> pbor: cool
[09:58] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW
[09:58] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco
[10:19] <lucasvo> in which format is the cookbook written?
[10:21] <cbx33> wiki at the mo as far as I know
[10:29] <lucasvo> hm, I thought they used some xhtml format?
[10:30] <lucasvo> ah docbook
[11:02] <lucasvo> anybody working on Cookbook here?
[11:03] <cbx33> lucasvo: I was doing some proofing
[11:04] <cbx33> it's pygi and HedgeMage
[11:04] <cbx33> who were doing the bulk
[11:04] <pygi> lucasvo, how may I help?
[11:05] <lucasvo> I am having problems with my own docbook
[11:05] <pygi> lucasvo, like?
[11:06] <lucasvo> but I already was able to fix it
[11:06] <cbx33> lucasvo: i've used docbook
[11:06] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[11:06] <lucasvo> pygi: a stupid error
[11:06] <cbx33> :p
[11:06] <pygi> enjoy
[11:06] <lucasvo>  docbook2html can't work in a subdirectory such as This\ dir\ has\ spaces/
[11:06] <JaneW> pygi: pbor was looking for you too ;)
[11:06] <JaneW> pygi: h and hi :)
[11:07] <JaneW> s/h/hi/
[11:07] <pbor> JaneW: sorted in #ubuntu-devel
[11:07] <cbx33> hi JaneW