[05:25] <Jucato> (much better, less pretty though)
[05:25] <Gun_Smoke> hydrogen: are you using a theme?
[05:25] <hydrogen> Gun_Smoke: for ff or for opera?
[05:25] <Gun_Smoke> ff
[05:25] <Kr4t05> Jucato: But, there are so many packages to filter through... :/
[05:25] <hydrogen> no
[05:26] <Angelus> Jucato: take it as you wish, i love kubuntu :P
[05:26] <Jucato> Kr4t05: there's a search field, there are lots of checkboxes to minimize fittering, etc
[05:26] <MilesG> hay
[05:26] <Angelus> its my way of talkin'
[05:26] <Angelus> :p
[05:26] <Jucato> :P
[05:26] <javier> hello
[05:26] <xid> hey you know how in Konqueror when you press ctrl it gives you a mouse-less keyboard menu of all links on the page?  Does anyone know of an extension for firefox that does that?
[05:26] <Angelus> well there is something i must ask dough
[05:26] <Gun_Smoke> hydrogen: Thats the only connection I can make to ff crashing.
[05:27] <Angelus> in Adept, i get an Upgrade Version button, should i do it? im already on   Gutsy
[05:27] <hydrogen> adept is really really really bad :/
[05:27] <xid> Konqueror is soooo awesome on a laptop/no mouse, but I need Firefox to work like that
[05:27] <Jucato> xid: they are called Access or Sticky keys. might want to search for that in addons.firefox.com (I think)
[05:27] <xid> kthnx
[05:27] <Jucato> Angelus: bug
[05:27] <hydrogen> Angelus: only if you want to adventure into the great unknown :)
[05:27] <Jucato> hydrogen: you have no idea :)
[05:27] <Angelus> :o
[05:27] <Angelus> uknown
[05:27] <Angelus> some hidden world?
[05:27] <Angelus> :p
[05:28] <Jucato> Angelus: it's the Gutsy Twilight Zone
[05:28] <Jucato> Enter at your own risque
[05:28] <Angelus> whats gutsy twilight zone?
[05:28] <Angelus> oh
[05:28] <hydrogen> hmm
[05:28] <Jucato> hehe j/k
[05:28] <Angelus> lol
[05:28] <Jucato> it's an Adept bug. soon to be resolved
[05:28] <Jucato> (I hope)
[05:28] <Angelus> ah cool
[05:28] <Jucato> (I think)
[05:28] <Angelus> so
[05:29]  * Angelus shouldn't press it
[05:29] <Angelus> right ?
[05:29] <Angelus> :p
[05:29] <Jucato> doesn't do anything if you do I think
[05:29]  * hydrogen is pround of himself
[05:29] <Gun_Smoke> I keep forgetting to ask if anyone is using some gmail checker here in kde?
[05:29] <Jucato> why are you pround?
[05:29] <hydrogen> I made my own kernel package today
[05:30] <hydrogen> because I wanted to try out cfs
[05:30]  * Jucato uses kmail to check, download, and read
[05:30] <Angelus> i do Gun_Smoke
[05:31] <Jucato> !info kcheckgmail
[05:31] <ubotu> kcheckgmail: KDE systray application to check GMail accounts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.6-1 (gutsy), package size 127 kB, installed size 736 kB
[05:31] <hydrogen> pop3 access to gmail seems like a really pointless thing
[05:31] <Angelus> :O
[05:31] <Angelus> i done it with kmail Jucato
[05:31] <hydrogen> sa the main reasons to use gmail are the free 2gb storage and the supercool interface
[05:31] <Jucato> Angelus: I said I use kmail :)
[05:31] <Jucato> the super cool interface that usually breaks with Konqueror every now and then...
[05:31] <kudar> whats wrong with thunderbird?
[05:32] <Jucato> nothing's wrong with it
[05:32] <Jucato> (unless you prefer to use a KDE app inside a KDE distro)
[05:32] <gary_inNYC> also because a lot of places where people work don't have gmail filtered so people use it for instant messaging...
[05:32] <Angelus> whats the kcheckgmail for then Jucato?
[05:32] <Jucato> Angelus: <Gun_Smoke> I keep forgetting to ask if anyone is using some gmail checker here in kde?
[05:32] <hydrogen> Jucato: thats why God invented opera
[05:32] <hydrogen> It's from the same country as qt.. and it uses qt.. so it is obviously just as good
[05:33] <Jucato> God does closed source? O.o
[05:33] <hydrogen> of course he does
[05:33] <hydrogen> he doesn't want anyone steelin his sekretz
[05:33] <Jucato> well soon not to be Qt...
[05:33] <hydrogen> Imagine what would happen if someone reverse engineered the process to create life :/
[05:33] <Jucato> it's offtopic, but there were some discussions of moving Opera to their own homegrown toolkit
[05:33] <hydrogen> mm
[05:33] <hydrogen> I don't think it'd make much sense for them to
[05:34] <hydrogen> but you never know!
[05:34] <Jucato> (God uses open source, but his API is waaaay to complex)
[05:34] <Jucato> :D
[05:34] <morphinex> hey folks, my upgrade from feisty to gutsy crashed about 2% into installing the packages
[05:34] <Angelus> god is open source himself, since every religion modifies him as they want
[05:34] <Angelus> LoL
[05:34] <Tm_T> .
[05:34] <morphinex> it crashed on x11-common or something
[05:34] <kudar> jucato: no religious views in this channel please
[05:34] <Jucato> hehe anyway... offtopic
[05:34] <Jucato> kudar: yes yes
[05:35] <hydrogen> I don't think calling god's api complex is really a religious view
[05:35] <hydrogen> or if it is.. you are way too much of a geek :P
[05:35] <Jucato> hydrogen: stop it before *I* get told off
[05:35] <neighborlee> hi just wondering what was up with a few new additions to kubuntu: 1) I do like dolphin , 2) strigi were you serious ?? ,and 3) system-setttings does not fit in with kde at all I wonder who decided that had merit to include ? ;))
[05:35] <hydrogen> pfft. tm_t loves me. we're safe!
[05:36] <Jucato> you are, I'm not
[05:36] <Tm_T> hydrogen: no I dont
[05:36] <kudar> hydrogen: i was giving him a hard time because he called me out earlier when i strayed away from kubuntu talk
[05:36] <Jucato> I just better quit while i'm at it
[05:36]  * hydrogen gets back on topic as well
[05:36] <hydrogen> but remember kids.. firefox is bad.
[05:36] <kudar> firefox > *
[05:37] <Angelus> of course, its gtk
[05:37] <neighborlee> hydrogen: rarely does it crash for me anymore, so what exactly are you getting at
[05:37] <hydrogen> neighborlee: performance issues.
[05:37] <hydrogen> but
[05:37] <hydrogen> thats all i'll say!
[05:37] <hydrogen> .. for now
[05:37] <neighborlee> dont have any here that I can think of
[05:38] <neighborlee> at least not in windows...ive had to spend a bit more time here lately due to gaming
[05:38] <neighborlee> sasdly
[05:38] <neighborlee> sadly
[05:38] <hydrogen> gamings been going nicely for me with wine
[05:38] <hydrogen> for once
[05:38] <neighborlee> I wish
[05:38] <hydrogen> playing my every-once-in-a-while addiction WoW with no problems for once
[05:38] <neighborlee> though sometime I should try again
[05:38] <hydrogen> getting my 107fps
[05:38] <Angelus> hydrogen: try playing INFERNAL on wine :p
[05:39] <neighborlee> I have heard that wow does do well yes
[05:40] <azriel> someone PLEASE tell me how just get back to regular direct rendering since upgrading to gutsy
[05:40] <hydrogen> what kind of irregular direct rendering do you have currently?
[05:41] <azriel> it installed xgl, of course, but then i completly removed the pkg
[05:41] <azriel> xserver-xgl
[05:41] <azriel> and now i still get this: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[05:42] <fulat2k> hi folks, i accidentally executed dpkg-reconfigure -a.  everyhing works fine except for kaffeine and vlc.  it loads a file but doesn't play it.  any idea how i can troubleshoot?
[05:42] <azriel> i've also tried putting that disable file in .config/xserver-xorg, just cant get direct rendering to say yes to save my life
[05:44] <Gun_Smoke> welp... here is the first issue.. Don't really know if it will be a huge deal or not..  I'm doing sudo /etc/init.d/xend restart  *BUT* grep: /proc/xen/capabilities: No such file or directory
[05:44] <Amarilis> hi
[05:46] <Gun_Smoke> Oh I missed all the gmail kmail stuff. lol
[05:46] <Gun_Smoke> had to teach myself vim real quick LOL
[05:46] <Amarilis> i have a problem. i tried to run the last version of kubuntu (live cd) on one of my computers.
[05:46] <azriel_> crap i wasnt being rude client just locked
[05:47] <azriel_> so unfortunately if you answered me a sec ago i lost it
[05:47] <Gun_Smoke> Amarilis: and...
[05:47] <azriel_> was the one asking about getting direct rendering enabled
[05:47] <Amarilis> here is my configuration: 512RAM/3GHz/Nvidia 6600 GTS/GA-8I945P Pro motherboard
[05:48] <Amarilis> and I can't see anything on my display which is a Samsung 959NF
[05:49] <Amarilis> i tried ubuntu to see if this problem persist and the problem remains
[05:50] <morphinex> hey folks, my upgrade is crashing when it tries to install x11-common
[05:52] <Amarilis> i tried both kubuntu and ubuntu on a Compaq laptop with this configuration 512RAM/AMD Athlon 3000+/ and the live cd's worked perfectly
[05:54] <Amarilis> do you think that is because of my graphic card ?
[05:55] <Gun_Smoke> I dunno
[05:55] <Gun_Smoke> Amarilis: Sure you have the right chip set?
[05:55] <xid> anyone know how to use KRDC to login to a Windows RDP at console level?
[05:56] <Amarilis> yes
[05:58] <Gun_Smoke> Sound like a something with xorg.conf
[06:00] <Amarilis> i dont understand why on the laptop both live cd's work perfect and on my desktop don't
[06:01] <dennister> dang it all! just spent 12 hours trying to do the gutsy upgrade, and almost as soon as the upgrades started installing, it aborts with the warning that my pc "might be in an unusable state" does anyone remember/know the dpkg line?
[06:01] <posingaspopular> dennister: sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[06:01] <dennister> posingaspopular: ty, that was it
[06:01] <posingaspopular> np
[06:02] <posingaspopular> dennister: ive seen people use that like at least 50 times in this chan over the past 3 days  ;o
[06:02] <posingaspopular> very handy
[06:02] <dennister> yes, but i haven't been in the channel lately; things were too tickety-boo  :-)
[06:03] <Gun_Smoke> sudo /etc/init.d/xend restart   =   grep: /proc/xen/capabilities: No such file or directory   What gives?  I know /etc/init.d/xend is there.
[06:03] <posingaspopular> what is capabilities
[06:04] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: Was that for me?
[06:05] <dennister> great...now my password won't work for sudo
[06:05] <posingaspopular> yes sorry
[06:05] <posingaspopular> dennister: change it
[06:05] <posingaspopular> passwd
[06:05] <posingaspopular> and then change it back
[06:06] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: I don't understand your question.
[06:06] <posingaspopular> you have /proc/xen/capabilities
[06:06] <posingaspopular> what is /capabilities and what does it do?
[06:06] <blendtux> how can i configure my touchpad
[06:07] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: I don't know, that is what gets printed back from sudo /etc/init.d/xend restart
[06:07] <dhq> where can i find good source and documentation of distributed systems in mutual exclusion and classification of it
[06:08] <posingaspopular> dhq: there is a company in chicago called cleversafe that does that
[06:08] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: I was hoping someone around here might have an idea.
[06:08] <posingaspopular> they just released their software on sourceforge
[06:08] <posingaspopular> Gun_Smoke: i was hoping you knew so i could help you figure it out
[06:08] <dhq> posingaspopular, i was looking for a good document i tried google but dint find much
[06:08] <Gun_Smoke> haga
[06:09] <Gun_Smoke> well where do I start?
[06:09] <posingaspopular> dhq: to learn about distributed systems and stuff like that?
[06:09] <dhq> posingaspopular, yes
[06:09] <posingaspopular> hmm
[06:09] <posingaspopular> i dont think i know that answer sorry
[06:10] <dennister> posingaspopular: terminal tells me the password has been changed successfully, but if I then just type in 'su' and then the new password, I still get the 'authentication failure'...just like i did b4 i changed the password
[06:10] <dennister> i never get the root prompt
[06:11] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: I guess I could just skip the restart.. It will come soon enough I guess.
[06:11] <posingaspopular> authentication? for su... wth?
[06:11] <posingaspopular> man ive never seen that befoe
[06:11] <aaron_> hola any people from mexico
[06:11] <enhen> any one with eyeos
[06:12] <posingaspopular> !sp
[06:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:12] <posingaspopular> !es
[06:12] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[06:12] <dennister> all of my sudo passwords get rejected
[06:12] <posingaspopular> dude ive never heard of that happening
[06:12] <asimismo> So all the Google hits seem to tell me that to turn Compiz on with 7.10 all I have to do is go to the Visual Effects tab. I have yet to find this in Kubuntu, or anything else that would allow me to turn Compiz on... Any ideas what I'm missing? I've successfully installed the nVidia driver and rebooted.
[06:12] <posingaspopular> !compiz
[06:12] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[06:13] <asimismo> Crap. Ok, thanks, I ran the Ubuntu version of the command.
[06:13] <gary_inNYC> ubotu: even it gutsy?
[06:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about even it gutsy? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:13] <asimismo> posingaspopular: Thanks!
[06:16] <ardchoille> I'm really liking yakuake
[06:17] <dennister> i guess i've been affected by Gutsy's Bug #26338...rebooting into recovery mode
[06:20] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: here's what im up to.. http://pastebin.com/m20cccdcf
[06:23] <posingaspopular> and /capabilities DOES exist?
[06:23] <Gun_Smoke> No,
[06:24] <Gun_Smoke> just make it?
[06:24] <posingaspopular> yea you could try that i guess.
[06:25] <posingaspopular> im not really a VM expert though
[06:25] <Gun_Smoke> hehe.. I need to restart too.. That might mess up things..
[06:26] <Gun_Smoke> I'm trying to follow this.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Xen#head-12156398ac5383dfcc06c761e3139410220530c0
[06:27] <tracy_> do you like Xen?
[06:27] <Gun_Smoke> tracy_: I don't know... I have yet to get it up and going..
[06:28] <Gun_Smoke> It's my mission tonight..
[06:28] <tracy_> I started using VMWare
[06:28] <tracy_> seems to work ok
[06:29] <radyvix> i've never used xen but i definitely like vmware server
[06:29] <Gun_Smoke> tracy_: would you know anything about this problem I'm having?    sudo /etc/init.d/xend restart   =   grep: /proc/xen/capabilities: No such file or directory   What gives?  I know /etc/init.d/xend is there.
[06:30] <Gun_Smoke> but I do not know what /capabilities is
[06:30] <xevious> yeah. that's there. but /proc/xen/capabilities isn't
[06:30] <xevious> it sounds like you arent using a xen-aware kernel
[06:30] <Gun_Smoke> probably need to do the restart first then eh/
[06:30] <xevious> i have absolutely no experience using xen, but i know you need a kernel with support
[06:31] <xevious> Gun_Smoke: yeah. any changes to the kernel need a restart
[06:31] <Gun_Smoke> brb
[06:31] <tracy_> I believe xevious is correct
[06:31] <Gun_Smoke> brb... maybe.. if no panic..
[06:34] <graelb> Anyone have issues with not being able to view your TTY's with 7.10?
[06:35] <Tm_T> no issues here
[06:35] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: check your grubs menu.lst and make sure your not passing any vga=
[06:35]  * xevious bops sub[t]rnl
[06:35] <graelb> where is it located?
[06:35] <sub[t]rnl> The gutsy kernel and vesab framebuffer don't get along
[06:35] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[06:36] <sub[t]rnl> yo xev
[06:36] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:36] <graelb> ok
[06:36] <graelb> looking
[06:37] <graelb> =P
[06:37] <Gun_Smoke> kernel works
[06:37] <contrast83> Could having too much stuff installed have an impact on system performance, even though there's an adequete amount of free disk space?
[06:38] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: nope
[06:38] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: as long as you don't have all your stuff running at once :P
[06:38] <xid> does KDE boast some type of a low-throughput protocol like RDP?  (not including VNC)
[06:38] <contrast83> Hmm... Thanks.
[06:39] <graelb> sub[t]rnl: the only line i can see is ## additional options to use with the default boot option, but not with the
[06:39] <graelb> ## alternatives
[06:39] <graelb> ## e.g. defoptions=vga=791 resume=/dev/hda5
[06:40] <sub[t]rnl> pastebin your menu.lst
[06:41] <graelb> ok
[06:41] <kubuntunewbie> okay i need help....
[06:41] <Tm_T> Jucato: welcome back
[06:42] <posingaspopular> oh no did Jucato come back
[06:42] <kubuntunewbie> i just installed kubuntu on my new laptop (has windows vista) and when setting the partition i got things backwards
[06:42] <graelb> sub[t]rnl:  this shouled be it
[06:42] <graelb> http://pastebin.com/d468ff058
[06:42] <graelb> should*
[06:42] <ubuntu> hi all i wanna go to ubuntu channel
[06:43] <Gun_Smoke> posingaspopular: And that also fix the first issue I posted.  :)
[06:43] <contrast83> Anyone know why there's no emerald-themes package in Gutsy?
[06:43] <kubuntunewbie> could someone please tell me how i can uninstall kubuntu to get my primary petition back so i can go back and re-install it with a smaller petition
[06:43] <posingaspopular> ubuntu: hit /join #ubuntu
[06:43] <ubuntu> i wanna go to ubuntu what should i do ??????/
[06:43] <ubuntu> thanks
[06:43] <kubuntunewbie> or if there is an easier way to give some space back to my windows partition?
[06:44] <posingaspopular> kubuntunewbie: open up gparted
[06:44] <xid> so is VNC pretty much the best option for remote/control?
[06:44] <kubuntunewbie> posingaspopular: could u tell me where that is
[06:44] <contrast83> You can't repartition disks that are mounted though, right?
[06:44] <posingaspopular> wait a sec, does that not come with kubuntu
[06:44] <kubuntunewbie> i dont think it does
[06:44] <needles> hi there, i have a brother usb printer, and im cant seem to get it to be recognized
[06:44] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Your best bet would probably be to download and burn a GParted live CD.
[06:45] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: hrm I'm not sure.  That menu.lst is clean.  Your not asking it to use any framebuffer with vga.
[06:45] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Not sure of the exact URL. Should be easy to find on http://www.distrowatch.org though
[06:45] <posingaspopular> contrast83: could kubuntunewbie do an apt-get gparted
[06:45] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: only thing I can think of is remove the splash option in the kernel boot
[06:45] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: it seems to me that it would be easier to just remove kubuntu from my computer all together so it will give my space back and then re-install kubuntu?
[06:45] <graelb> sub[t]rnl: Where is that?
[06:46] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: or will it not give my partition back to windows if i do that?
[06:46] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Umm... How would that be easier? Are you particularly wanting to start off with a fresh install?
[06:46] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: in the first instance you see of /boot/vmlinuz
[06:46] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: i installed kubuntu on this computer 15 minutes ago.
[06:46] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: the splash option at the end, take that out.  Try to keep it from going into a buffered mode, hopefully it will keep your tty's alive
[06:46] <graelb> just remove the "quiet splash"
[06:46] <graelb> hehe
[06:46] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Well, if you really want to just reinstall, just choose to do the partitions manually from the CD (and since you're doing that anyway, I'd recommend making seperate / and /home partitions).
[06:46] <graelb> ok
[06:46] <graelb> do i need to completely reboot?
[06:47] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Ahh, ok. That might be easiest then, in that case.
[06:47] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: cool, well how do i uninstall kubuntu?
[06:47] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: hrm.. yeah
[06:47] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: You don't. :-)
[06:47] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: make a backup of your menu.lst too
[06:47] <graelb> done already =P
[06:48] <dennister> ok, am back with sudo priviledges successfully restored...has anyone been able to upgrade to gutsy using the dist-full-upgrade?
[06:48] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: im confused.
[06:48] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: When you're installing from the CD, just delete the partitions Kubuntu's on, resize the Windows partitions to your liking, and set up new partitions for the new installation.
[06:48] <graelb> alrighty
[06:48] <graelb> wish me luck =P
[06:48] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: ahhhhh great idea.
[06:48] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Make sense?
[06:48] <graelb> be back in a few
[06:48] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: perfect sense.
[06:48] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: thanks a bunch.
[06:48] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: here goes nothing thanks again
[06:48] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: No prob. You got what I said about seperating / and /home as well?
[06:49] <contrast83> Alright, great.
[06:49] <dennister> let's hope he got it
[06:49] <contrast83> Heh... I doubt it.
[06:50] <dennister> has anyone been able to successfully upgrade to gutsy using adept or synaptic's "full upgrade"?
[06:50] <contrast83> I've yet to understand why Ubuntu doesn't partition / and /home seperately by default.
[06:50] <dennister> <------12 hours of wasted time here
[06:50] <contrast83> dennister: I've heard of a few people succeeding with that, but they seem to be in the minority.
[06:51] <contrast83> 12 hours? o_O
[06:51] <posingaspopular> dennister: what contrast83 said, most people i know did it via command line
[06:51] <blendtux> yes i did it
[06:51] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: its how I upgraded
[06:51] <contrast83> Any SuperKaramba users here?
[06:52] <graelb> nope
[06:52] <graelb> but i got to see all the nifty boot stuffs
[06:52] <graelb> hehe
[06:52] <sub[t]rnl> still not able to access your tty's?
[06:53] <graelb> nope
[06:53] <dennister> hm...i had to go into gnome, (kde didn't even start the fetching) and it fetched 1330 files, but as soon as it started installing them it aborted
[06:53] <Gun_Smoke> If anyone is caring to follow along with my project tonight.. http://pastebin.com/m789e2ab1
[06:53] <dennister> yes, like i said, *12 hours*
[06:54] <dennister> the first error message during installation was about the splash file, not being supported in my BIOS
[06:54] <contrast83> dennister: Have you used any third-party repositories?
[06:54] <dennister> contrast83: just medibuntu
[06:55] <dennister> multiverse, universe...the documentation also says to enable the pre-release repositories
[06:56] <contrast83> dennister: And proposed updates, then do a full upgrade, then follow the the release upgrade instructions. You did all that?
[06:57] <dennister> yes, i did all that...*everything* i could see i enabled
[06:57] <contrast83> dennister: Sorry, just making sure all bases are covered... I'm not sure what to tell ya'. I always just install from the CD, which isn't too bad so long as you have / and /home partitioned seperately.
[06:58] <dennister> np, it was the full upgrade that I tried to do according to the documentation
[06:58] <dennister> <-----follows instructions to the letter
[06:59] <graelb> sub[t]rnl: any other ideas? there's a bug report, but i didn't actually see any fixes that worked
[06:59] <dennister> for once i didn't want to start from scratch with a clean install...i have too much installed here that's working...and getting it all to work the way I want it takes so long
[07:00] <sub[t]rnl> graelb: unfortunatly no.  Keep an eye on the bug # and hopefully the kernel team will get a fix out
[07:00] <dennister> I'm also a partitioning queen :)...got no less than 20 partitions on this htpc :P
[07:01] <graelb> yeah... alrighty
[07:01] <graelb> thanks for the try anyway =)
[07:01] <contrast83> dennister: I'm guessing two of those are / and /home then?
[07:03] <dennister> contrast83: yep...for both my working kubuntu installation and my gentoo amd64 installation... so 2 / and 2 /home
[07:04] <dennister> gutsy users: which version of openoffice is being used?
[07:04] <osh_> My external monitor no longer works after upgrading to gutsy, anyone know under what package to report this bug?
[07:04] <contrast83> dennister: Well, getting everything working the way you have it shouldn't be too much work then. You know not to format the /home partition when you reinstall, right?
[07:04] <osh_> Or it sort of don't work. It doesn't work during bootup, then kdm is shown, and then it stops working again. Like it gets no signal.
[07:05] <osh_> dennister: it sais 2.3 on my screen...
[07:05] <contrast83> dennister: Do you know how to apt-get dselect-upgrade?
[07:05] <dennister> contrast83: yes, I wouldn't format that partition, but I'd still prefer not to do a clean install, if i can at all avoid it
[07:06] <dennister> osh_: thank you very much, that's my main reason for upgrading actually, cause Base with feisty isn't working very well
[07:07] <osh_> dennister: I'd wait a few more days with the upgrade. I've had troubles. Perhaps they'll be sorted out in a few days.
[07:07] <dennister> contrast83: if i do that, does it mean that the 1303 files i spent downloading will be wiped out?
[07:07] <osh_> dennister: Unless you need OO.o right now. Perhaps I've just been unlucky.
[07:07] <Gun_Smoke> I think I've bitten more than I can chew..
[07:07] <igi> 7.04 -> 7.10 update broke while instaling packages, what should I do?
[07:08] <Gun_Smoke> igi: what did
[07:08] <contrast83> dennister: If you do what? the dselect-upgrade?
[07:08] <manu_> someone speak spanish??
[07:08] <osh_> !es
[07:08] <igi> distro updater freezed
[07:08] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[07:08] <dennister> contrast83: yes...like i said, i spent 12 hours downloading them all
[07:09] <manu_> thanks
[07:09] <contrast83> dennister: Sorry if I missed this, but what exactly is going wrong when you try to upgrade?
[07:09] <osh_> manu_: obrigado (which I thinks is spanish).
[07:10] <igi> 7.04 -> 7.10 update broke while instaling packages, what should I do?
[07:10] <dennister> contrast83: 12 hours fetching 1330 files, they start installinig, right away i get error messages, it only tries to do a couple installs, and then it aborts
[07:10] <Gun_Smoke> oh.. can someone paste that dpkg command again..
[07:10] <kubuntunewbie> hey im having a problem again
[07:10] <contrast83> dennister: Do you have the error messages handy?
[07:10] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: ?
[07:10] <posingaspopular> Gun_Smoke: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:10] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: hey, when i go into the prepare partitions thing it wont let me continue
[07:11] <igi> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[07:11] <Gun_Smoke> yeah... igi try that.
[07:11] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: What's it say?
[07:11] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: it says... No root file system is defined.  please correct this from the partitioning menu.
[07:11] <igi> what now?
[07:11] <contrast83> !aptfix|igi
[07:11] <posingaspopular> define a /swap prob?
[07:11] <contrast83> !aptfix | igi
[07:11] <ubotu> igi: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[07:12] <dennister> contrast83: nope, but the first one was about usplash...i couldn't even report it, apparently because it needed access to my BIOS (?), next error was upgrade-manager, and that's where it completely aborted
[07:12] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Are you at the partitioner right now?
[07:12] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: yes
[07:12] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: im booted off the CD
[07:12] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: You already have the Windows partition(s) resized the way you want them?
[07:12] <igi> ubotu: doesn't work
[07:12] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[07:12] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: yes, i was able to change them
[07:13] <igi> ubotu: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[07:13] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Ok, now delete all the partitions except the Windows ones. Let me know how much free space is available when that's done.
[07:13] <Gun_Smoke> igi: ubot is a bot.
[07:13] <dennister> lol...bot with a sense of humor
[07:13] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: even this swap partition delete that too?
[07:13] <igi> I know
[07:14] <igi> how I kill these locking processes?
[07:14] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Well... What's the size of it?
[07:14] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: only 5 gigs
[07:14] <Gun_Smoke> power button
[07:14] <dennister> igi: do you have adept or synaptic open?
[07:14] <contrast83> 5 gigs for swap? o_O
[07:14] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: i have 75 gigs set aside for the linux
[07:14] <dennister> if so, close them
[07:14] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: should be more then enough
[07:14] <igi> I have adept, but doesn't  work cause it gives process lock
[07:14] <robotphood> 5gigs wowzah
[07:14] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: 5 gigs for swap is grossly excessive. How much RAM do you have?
[07:15] <igi> they are not open
[07:15] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: at least a gig, might be 2 gigs i dont remember
[07:15] <igi> I am not that stupid
[07:15] <charlie5> does anyone elses external usb hardrive keep unmounting/remounting periodically (about every 5 mins) ?
[07:15] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Resize the swap partition to a 2 gigs.
[07:15] <dennister> igi: sorry, it's been awhile since i been in the channel, or tried to help anyone...that would be a real newbie error
[07:15] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: doing that now
[07:16] <robotphood> i don't think you even need 2gb
[07:16] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Then make a partition whose mount point is /, and give that 10GB (you can go higher if you install an unusually large amount of software, but / is more than enough for most people).
[07:17] <contrast83> robotphood: That's what I was thinking, but wasn't too sure.
[07:17] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: well what should i do with the remaining like 60 gigs? let them sit and do nothing?
[07:17] <contrast83> I've never seen swap usage go above half a gig, personally.
[07:17] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: No, make another partition whose mount point is /home and give the remaining space to it.
[07:17] <robotphood> i never even use swap
[07:18] <dennister> i have 1G ram now (since one died) and 1.5G swap
[07:18] <dennister> usually the rule of thumb is 1.5x your ram
[07:18] <contrast83> Up to 2GB, then 1x your RAM, IIRC.
[07:19] <dennister> contrast83: exactly...when i had 2G ram i only had 2G swap
[07:19] <kubuntunewbie> im so excited to be giving vista the boot.
[07:19] <contrast83> I've seen the automatic partitioner alot 3x the amount of RAM to swap. -_~
[07:19] <dennister> robotphood: no u don't use swap, but the pc does without u knowing it
[07:19] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: All good on the partitions now?
[07:19] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: its thinking... 60% done
[07:20] <dennister> kubuntunewbie: which vista ed? home or premium?
[07:20] <kubuntunewbie> dennister: home
[07:20] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Just FYI, when you know you want to install and don't need to check out the OS, the alternate CD is a lot quicker.
[07:20] <robotphood> fair enough
[07:21] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: yeah i downloaded the wrong one.
[07:21] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: i was told that before
[07:21] <robotphood> 0 swapi 128mb swap and no hit :/
[07:21] <contrast83> I get through the human-interaction part of the text-only installer in less than 5 minutes, and from there it's done in less than 20,
[07:22] <dennister> i'm concerned cause my teenager needs/wants new pc, and he'll probably end up with vista no matter what i tell him :(
[07:23] <kubuntunewbie> ahh crap, swap is right in the middle of my free space.
[07:23] <robotphood> are you concerned about the costs or just the fact that he's wants vista?
[07:23] <contrast83> dennister: Did you show him Compiz? :-P
[07:23] <dennister> he thinks i'm "too political" when it comes to linux ...i'm concerned about both
[07:23] <contrast83> dennister: And he doesn't even want to dual-boot?
[07:24] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: hey swap is right in the middle can i delete swap and create it again?
[07:24] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Ohh... Sorry about that. I knew there was a reason I suggested deleting swap and just starting over clean.
[07:24] <robotphood> kubuntunewbie, yes
[07:24] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Just delete *all* the partitions except those for Windows.
[07:24] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: done.
[07:25] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: now i want to create what?
[07:25] <dennister> and the main fear: he won't be happy...nope, he has kubuntu now after I had to rebuild his pc with older mobo and video card...wouldn't handle the sata drive so i couldn't install the windows xp system drive he had...
[07:25] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Make a / partition with 10gb, then a swap partition with 1gb, then a /home partition with what's left.
[07:25] <dennister> I'll be installing compiz soon for him...
[07:26] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: primary or logical?
[07:26] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: and what do i "use as" ext3?
[07:26] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: I usually try primary first, and if that doesn't work I re-do them as logical. I'm not really sure what the difference is though... Yeah, ext3.
[07:27] <contrast83> Except the swap, obviously - that would be "Use as: swap" ;-)
[07:27] <alromaithi> how do you make compiz auto start automaticlly?
[07:27] <dennister> contrast83: he may agree to dual boot, seeing as how we even had an absolutely-no-warning xp pro lockout a year ago...it took me a week to rebuild his pc then
[07:28] <dennister> and yet this boy STILL wants winblows over linux :(
[07:28] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: its now telling me that the rest of my free space is unusable?
[07:28] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Ok, so try re-doing them as logical. Sorry. :-\
[07:29] <contrast83> dennister: I've almost given up on trying to convince people why they should use Linux. It borders on maddening at times.
[07:30] <contrast83> dennister: I think all you can do is let people know there's an alternative to MS, and if they show a genuine interest in it, help them through the hurdles.
[07:30] <dennister> what's really maddening is that i still have to keep my xp mce for the canadian government websites
[07:30] <contrast83> dennister: IEs4Linux doesn't work for them?
[07:31] <dennister> i haven't tried that yet...does it work well without the security vulnerabilities?
[07:31] <contrast83> AFAIK, yeah.
[07:31] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: okay perfect
[07:31] <contrast83> It's worked fine on a few of my friend's IE-only sites.
[07:32] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: is swap supposed to have any sort of mount point?
[07:32] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Obviously, you would still *only* want to use it for IE-only sites, and your regular browser for everything else.
[07:32] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Nope
[07:32] <dennister> ok...as soon as I get some of these other things worked out, i'll try that...i still have to get that winblows-lover son of mine to get me the schedulesdirect account with his credit card, gets gutsy and surround sound working properly
[07:33] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Haven't used the Live CD in quite some time so I don't remember if this applies there, but on the alternate CD, the mount point field for a partition disappears after you define it as swap.
[07:33] <contrast83> dennister: That's the only way to get surround-sound working on Linux?
[07:33] <robotphood> i'm pretty sure you're right about that contrast83
[07:33] <contrast83> Or just the most practical way.
[07:33] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: i duno what that means, but at least it is installing now
[07:33] <dennister> it's totally maddening to have to go into the winblows drive 5 days a week to record my soap operas :P...
[07:34] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Good. :-)
[07:34] <contrast83> dennister: ATI Wonder?
[07:34] <Tr0n_Paul> swap memory has no purpose in the filesystem and thus has no reason to be mounted
[07:34] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: thanks for ur help.  when i logged onto windows to make sure i didnt screw it up i almost crapped myself when i saw 49 out of 51 gigs were used.
[07:34] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: No problem.
[07:34] <dennister> contrast83: no, you have to use nvmixer for surround sound, and nvidia is really atrocious with supporting the nforce audio chipsets
[07:35] <m0ns00n> ḧo
[07:35] <m0ns00n> versionupgrade forever?
[07:35] <m0ns00n> =)
[07:35] <kubuntunewbie> contrast83: i am very impressed at how quickly kubuntu picked up my wireless card and everything on my laptop
[07:35] <dennister> contrast83: no, i have a hauppauge 150 for mythtv, but without the tvlistings from zap2it, mythtv on linux is almost useless
[07:35] <m0ns00n> Ive done versionupgrade 4 times now, aqnd the last three had no updates
[07:35] <m0ns00n> and
[07:36] <contrast83> kubuntunewbie: Yeah, they've come a long way with that in the past couple releases.
[07:36] <m0ns00n> is it a bug?
[07:36] <alromaithi> how do you make compiz auto start automaticlly i dont see a session manager like in Gnome when i had it , right now im lost!!!! help please needed
[07:36] <dennister> i also have an an ati theatre 550 pro tuner, with a pcie x1 interface i bought for xp mce 18 months ago...before i migrated to linux
[07:37] <robotphood> alromaithi, in kde?
[07:37] <dennister> that ati tuner is useless for linux...no ati drivers at all for it
[07:37] <contrast83> dennister: Ohh ok... One of these days (i.e., when I have money), I'm gonna put together a nice HTPC. Right now my computer's hooked up to a 60" wide-screen television and a 6.1 surround system, but I'm only getting 1280x1024 and 2.0 sound. :-\
[07:38] <dennister> contrast83: what driver is your sound using?
[07:38] <contrast83> dennister: Oh, wow. The way you talked, I figured you'd been using Linux for years and years. Heh.
[07:38] <m0ns00n> contrast83: using that for coding? =)
[07:38] <contrast83> m0ns00n: lol I mainly do that on my lappy, actually.
[07:39] <dennister> contrast83: not quite...but i do like gentoo, and that's not for the faint of heart
[07:39] <contrast83> dennister: I don't remember, TBH. Not on that computer ATM.
[07:39] <contrast83> I'd like to try Gentoo out at some point. Just... not... quite... yet. :-P
[07:40] <alromaithi> robotphood: yes Kubuntu
[07:40] <dennister> i like how clean it is, but as i said, i'm using the amd64 version of that (i386 for kubuntu) so any amd64 distro is going to have some issues cause of adobe and stuff
[07:41] <contrast83> Yeah. Still no Flash on 64-bit Linux, right?
[07:41] <robotphood> get kcontrol-autostart
[07:41] <alromaithi> sudo apt-get install kcontrol-autostart
[07:41] <dennister> exactly, and nspluginwrapper and all the other stuff i've read doesn't work...get no sound with the flash
[07:41] <robotphood> adds autostart option kde control center > kde components
[07:42] <dennister> i guess i like gentoo cause i like challenge, heheheh
[07:42] <dennister> brb
[07:42] <alromaithi> robotphood: good your here, then you might know where im lost actually...
[07:42] <contrast83> Control Center >>>>>>>> System Settings
[07:44] <alromaithi> robotphood: im on KDE ( kubuntu ) , i hear its easier then UbuntU Gnome , but i was wrong , its complicated its another computer world i thought it will go such NintendoMaCxp-Style , but it went backwards. i must know how to make it good and easy , for the people to use it without stress free , ( compiz starts on start up , no need for emerald but use nice decorated KDE , i need windows decorater , and have the file system look good
[07:44] <alromaithi> indolphin , ) im sorry forthis long question. i want to do a presentation about UbuntU in school , and let my friends quit xp
[07:49] <alromaithi> let me register first robotphood
[07:50] <dennister> contrast83: will "apt-get dselect-upgrade" remove all the 1330 files from my system that i fetched earlier
[07:50] <dennister> ?
[07:51] <contrast83> dennister: Well, apt-get dselect-upgrade is usually used after reinstalling. it's for resetting your installed packages to how they were prior to the reinstall.
[07:52] <dennister> what's the cli string to upgrade to gutsy?
[07:52] <tehk_> Hello, does anyone know how to clear all text entry history in konqueror?
[07:52] <tehk_> Not for just that one web page
[07:53] <kraut> moin
[07:55] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:55] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: ty
[07:56] <sub[t]rnl> tehk_: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/konq_history or something like that
[07:56] <tehk_> sub[t]rnl: thanks
[07:57] <Lord_Cerber> Hi all! Can anyone help with upgrade to gutsy? I have lots of questions. The upgrade hang up yesterday on cleaning stage, and now apt still shows upgrade to 7.10 button, but the process dont run. And some apps like bidgin and k3b dont work.
[07:58] <sub[t]rnl> Lord_Cerber: best to just start the upgrade again from the beginning
[07:58] <Lord_Cerber> it wont run - it says no upgrade needed on the 3rd step and offers reporting a bug
[07:58] <sub[t]rnl> Lord_Cerber: whats lsb_release -a say
[07:59] <fiyawerx> !lvm
[07:59] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[07:59] <Lord_Cerber> sub[t]rnl it says 7.10
[07:59] <dennister> ok, having a problem with the canadian server...ca.archive.ubuntu.com...anyone have a US alternative?
[07:59] <sub[t]rnl> Lord_Cerber: chances are your running the most current
[08:00] <sub[t]rnl> Lord_Cerber: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade just to be sure
[08:00] <fiyawerx> !lvm2
[08:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lvm2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:00] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: replace ca. with us.
[08:01] <sub[t]rnl> don't forget to sudo apt-get update
[08:01] <dennister> k...just didn't know if there'd be tons of us servers and i'd need to be more specific
[08:01] <sub[t]rnl> newp
[08:04] <dennister> 2 error messages; 1st is E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:05] <dennister> i forget how to fix this :(
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> hrm
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> i think
[08:05] <sub[t]rnl> !adept fix
[08:05] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[08:06] <sub[t]rnl> dpkg --configure -a :P
[08:07] <Lord_Cerber> ok, now with progs - cause pidgin still wont run, if i run with -d it hangs after the words "sound: Initializing sound output drivers."  It would make sense for dpkg to be one of them.
[08:13] <contrast83> Ermm.... Killing dpkg is safe?
[08:13] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: forget the dpkg-reconfigure -a.. its dpkg --configure -a
[08:13] <Gun_Smoke> Any ideas on updating bios with no floppy?
[08:14] <sub[t]rnl> contrast83: heh, yeah
[08:14] <xid> what do I need to watch xvid?   Mplayer?
[08:14] <sub[t]rnl> !xvid
[08:14] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:15] <xid> hmkthnx
[08:16] <dennister> ok, i did the simple: sudo dpkg --configure -a, then tried to get the upgrade started again, and i'm still getting the same lock error messages
[08:16] <sub[t]rnl> !adept fix | dennister
[08:16] <ubotu> dennister: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[08:16] <aftertaf> Is there a fix for the "enable DMS with hdparm doesn't work" problem? i have IDE Drives and had to add modules to my initramfs to be able to boot, but now all is sloooow
[08:17] <sub[t]rnl> aftertaf: what modules did you add?
[08:17] <dennister> well, the bot's line isn't working...no joy
[08:17] <needles> can someone tell me how i would get this printer to install?
[08:18] <needles> its a brother printer
[08:18] <needles> usb
[08:18] <dennister> needles: model?
[08:18] <needles> dcp-8020D
[08:18] <aftertaf> sub[t]rnl: piix, ide_generic, ide_cd, ide_disk   && I blacklisted ata_piix
[08:19] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: hey, did you kill dpkg-reconfigure?
[08:19] <needles> dennister : dcp-8025D *
[08:19] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: yes
[08:19] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: make sure the whiptail isn't sucking up your cpu
[08:19] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: do a ps aux|grep whiptail
[08:19] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: tell me if its there
[08:19] <aftertaf> sub[t]rnl:  and I b/listed ata_generic, libata, scsi_mod too
[08:20] <dennister> needles: ok...there are some howtos for brother printers...i wrote one for a 210C...in anothe distro
[08:20] <kristina> hi, in the adept - manage repositories dialog what does "download all updates in the background" do exactly? does it also automatically install all updates?
[08:20] <needles> dennister : i guess ill just have to google it
[08:20] <sub[t]rnl> kristina: mmhmm
[08:20] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: yes, whiptail's there
[08:20] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: kill its PID
[08:20] <dennister> cli line?
[08:20] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: kill -5 1235325
[08:20] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: or whatever its PID is
[08:21] <dennister> needles: yes, and try the ubuntuforums, too
[08:21] <needles> dennister : thanks
[08:22] <aftertaf> does ubuntu now use scsi emulation ? or does it assume all is SATA?   i've had pbs booting since feisty..
[08:22] <hangthedj> gutsy is pretty gutsy, they have alot of beta programs in the repositories.
[08:22] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: i've tried 22064 and 2884 from this result: 22064  0.0  0.0   2884   764 pts/1    S+   03:20   0:00 grep whiptail
[08:23] <dennister> but both time terminal tells me there's no such pid
[08:23] <sub[t]rnl> ew
[08:23] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: run top from the cli
[08:23] <sub[t]rnl> to find its PID then try to kill -5 it
[08:23] <dennister> i'm not familiar with top command?
[08:24] <sub[t]rnl> ok it just shows all the processing currently running
[08:24] <sub[t]rnl> just type "top" in the terminal
[08:24] <sub[t]rnl> and look to the right for whiptail, or hold down shift + p to sort the processes by the most CPU intesive
[08:24] <sub[t]rnl> if whiptail is running, its gonna be at the top
[08:24] <sub[t]rnl> once you find it, look to the far left for the PID, then ctrl c out of top, and kill -5 PIDNUMBER
[08:25] <dennister> it's not anywhere from the pure 'top' command
[08:25] <sub[t]rnl> lost me
[08:25] <sub[t]rnl> ps aux|grep whiptail
[08:25] <aftertaf> maybe CTL+ALT+BKSP to restart X then ?
[08:25] <sub[t]rnl> show me what that says
[08:26] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: i typed 'top' in terminal, but the results don't show any mention of whiptail
[08:26] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: kk, good its dead
[08:26] <dennister> however, there is one instance of 'migration'
[08:26] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: thats fine
[08:26] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to solve the CUPS problem "Print file was not accepted (client-error-request-value-too-long)!" for print jobs larger than (seems to be) 32M?
[08:27] <sub[t]rnl> vlt: hrm
[08:28] <sub[t]rnl> that doesn't sound right
[08:28] <sub[t]rnl> vlt: df -k /var/spool/cups
[08:28] <sub[t]rnl> whats that say
[08:29] <sub[t]rnl> vlt: and make sure you have /var/spool/cups and /var/spool/cups/tmp
[08:30] <sub[t]rnl> so it won't gripe about free space and file size
[08:30] <dennister> sub[t]rnl: sorry, still no joy in terms of getting those directories unlocked to restart the gutsy upgrade
[08:31] <aftertaf> cant you just delete the lock file? i did that once and it worked ok....
[08:31] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: hrm that adept fix from the bot didn't work?
[08:31] <dennister> nope, the adept fix didn't work
[08:31] <sub[t]rnl> aftertaf: yeah, thats how I do it, just rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock then run dpkg --configure -a
[08:31] <sub[t]rnl> odd
[08:32] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: do you have adept_manager up and running?
[08:32] <dennister> aftertaf: well, i tried your line, too, and that isn't working either
[08:32] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: silly question but who knows
[08:32] <dennister> no, adept is not open
[08:32]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[08:33] <aftertaf> hmm
[08:33] <Lord_Cerber> Still no ideas - pidgin IM wont run and all (still it runs only as a process and responds ctrl-c ok) removing gaim config files that he exported gave no effect.
[08:33] <dennister> hehehe...i suggested the same thing earlier to igi, and he said, no, 'i'm not that stupid' :P
[08:34] <needles> dennister : the openprinter database claims my printer has no linux compatability
[08:34] <needles> http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Brother-DCP-8025D
[08:34] <sub[t]rnl> dennister: :P
[08:34] <needles> would that be true?
[08:34] <dennister> and i have rebooted since that earlier upgrade attempt went south, so rebooting won't help
[08:34] <aftertaf> dennister: you got aptitude installed?
[08:35] <dennister> needles: oh dear; have you checked brother's linux pages?
[08:35] <hangthedj> isn't aptitude installed by default?
[08:35] <dennister> aftertaf: yes, actually, i do
[08:35] <Lord_Cerber> what (exept kopette) would you offer as icq pager instead of that pidgin to use?
[08:35] <sub[t]rnl> Lord_Cerber: does pidgin give an error message when you run it in a terminal?
[08:35] <needles> dennister : i couldnt find any for it
[08:35] <aftertaf> dunno hangthedj :)
[08:35]  * hangthedj loves aptitude
[08:35] <aftertaf> dennister: if you 'sudo aptitide -f install ?
[08:36] <aftertaf> with correct spelling, which would help...
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> Lord_Cerber: not sure, i stick with kopete, try searching around
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> :P
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> ok I'm heading to bed guys
[08:36] <sub[t]rnl> l8rs
[08:36] <aftertaf> :)
[08:37] <dennister> aftertaf: tried it, no joy
[08:37] <dennister> needles: hold on a sec
[08:38] <fiyawerx> i thought compiz-fusion is on by default in 7.10?
[08:38] <aftertaf> dennister: whats the error?
[08:38] <fiyawerx> !compiz
[08:38] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[08:39] <AmyRose> OK, why the heck can't SHMConfig be enabled by default?
[08:39] <AmyRose> for Synaptics touchpads
[08:40] <dennister> needles: your brother dcp IS supported
[08:40] <needles> dennister : i found debian drivers
[08:40] <dennister> needles: first go here: http://solutions.brother.com/linux/en_us/index.html
[08:40] <needles> for i386
[08:41] <needles> now im checking for amd64
[08:41] <dennister> debian drivers r the ones i use, and so should u
[08:41] <needles> dennister : ill see how it goes, thanks
[08:41] <dennister> u probably won't find amd64...u have to end up using a --force-architecture option
[08:41] <hangthedj> Lord_Cerber, search adept or aptitude or synaptic for icq
[08:42] <Lord_Cerber> now one more problem - its k3b cd burning tool. it was very handy but now in stops on the splash screen with this error: kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KActionCollection::KActionCollection( QObject *parent, const char *name, KInstance *instance )
[08:42] <needles> dennister : would there be anywhere i can find amd64 debian drivers?
[08:43] <dennister> aftertaf: when I used "sudo aptitude -f install" i simply got the prompt with no error message
[08:44] <dennister> but then tried the "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and i'm still being told there's a locking problem
[08:46] <hangthedj> dennister, is there a lock file in /var/lib/apt?
[08:46] <dennister> needles: i haven't seen gutsy yet, but if you can't find 64-bit drivers for the printer on brother's site, ur not likely to find them at all
[08:47] <needles> dennister : im on feisty
[08:47] <dennister> the first error message is: E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open
[08:47] <needles> i see a wrapper
[08:47] <dennister> immediately under it is this 2nd one: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[08:48] <hangthedj> try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:48] <hangthedj> your missing the sudo for dist-upgrade
[08:49] <dennister> hangthedj: i have the sudo...not missing it at all
[08:50] <vlt> sub[t]rnl: THANK YOU!!!! `df -h /var/spool/cups` => "tmpfs                  27M  4.7M   22M  18% /var/spool"
[08:50] <dennister> my command was (this is a paste): sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:51] <hangthedj> dennister, in your last post it didn't have sudo after the &&
[08:51] <vlt> sub[t]rnl: So I have to remount it w/ more available space ....
[08:51] <hangthedj> those are two different commands  && just means do it after.
[08:51] <hangthedj> the first
[08:51] <dennister> oh lord...1 sec
[08:52] <dennister> omg...ur right hangthedj...so i redid it, have sudo twice, but o upgraded, o newly installed, 0 to remove...
[08:52] <dennister> why is it so often the simplest things?
[08:52] <hangthedj> just the way it is, but it always is.
[08:53] <dennister> well, it doesn't look like cli will help me upgrade to gutsy
[08:55] <neighborlee> anyone else know whats up with adept's slowness with checking/unchecking an app ?
[08:55] <hangthedj> what does lsb_release -d give you?
[08:55]  * hangthedj hates adept
[08:55] <neighborlee> well the UI I think is better overall than synaptic, but atm its veryyyyyyyy sluggish
[08:55]  * needles doesnt mind adept, even though its a little slow
[08:56] <neighborlee> I dont know im mixed over it
[08:56] <neighborlee> I like it yet I dont LOL
[08:56] <hangthedj> i don't like adept, because it doesn't tell you what changes its making, unless they've changed that since edgy
[08:56] <neighborlee> its more than slow needles..its in slow motion
[08:56] <neighborlee> :)
[08:56]  * hangthedj only uses aptitude
[08:57] <needles> neighborlee : i use apt-get most of the time
[08:57] <dennister> ok, well now that i've changed the repositories from the canadian server to the US one, i'll try the adept verion upgrade one more time, but overnight...it's almost 4 am here
[08:57] <needles> i only use adept if i need to read a little more about to package
[08:57] <hangthedj> aptitude show 'packagename'
[08:58] <hangthedj> dennister, (probably a stupid question) but all you sources are changed to gutsy?
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> aptitude
[08:58] <needles> when you say aptitude, do you mean apt-get?
[08:58] <dennister> ahhhhhhhhh, nooooooooo...the documenation didn't mention that...
[08:59] <hangthedj> !aptitude
[08:59] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[08:59] <hangthedj> dennister, change all the fiesty entries to gutsy
[08:59] <needles> hangthedj : ah, right
[08:59] <hangthedj> :)
[09:00] <dennister> lol...i guess the ubuntu.com docs all need to have this little teensy bit of instruction added, eh?
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> hangthedj: dennister: using the upgrade tool, the instructions, the upgrade tool changes the entries to gutsy so no need to manually do it
[09:01] <hangthedj> WaltzingAlong, whats the upgrade tool?
[09:01] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: is that what it's supposed to be doing during the "modifying the software channels' stage?
[09:01] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: yes
[09:01] <dennister> ok, so the docs don't have to be changed then
[09:02] <WaltzingAlong> hangthedj: yes you can manually change feisty to gutsy then dist-upgrade but it is recommended to use the upgrade tool which you can get by following the upgrade instructions pointed to by the channel topic
[09:02] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[09:02] <hangthedj> i like using the command line for anything serious, so i know whats going on.
[09:03] <hangthedj> but i've been on gutsy since the first packages were released.
[09:03] <hangthedj> my laptop required it. :)
[09:04] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: the link u gave us doesn't make any mention of software-properties-kde
[09:04] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: sure but i did
[09:04] <hangthedj> i spent a 2 weeks getting feisty to work on my laptop, wrote a how to and everything. the first beta of gutsy worked perfect when it came out.
[09:04] <hangthedj> no work required.
[09:05] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: yes, u did; that's why i went looking for the phrase in the link :P
[09:05] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: no it should work maybe now that gutsy is official to merely follow what is with the instructions
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> software-properties-kde allows one to use adept to modify the sources shown in the images: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu-upgrade/snapshot2.png
[09:07] <dennister> well i tried this upgrade at noon today...after 12 hours it started installing all the 1330 packages that had been fetched, and promptly died
[09:07] <posingaspopular> dennister: are you still trying to install via gui?
[09:08] <posingaspopular> erm ugrade*
[09:08] <dennister> ok, now it wants to fetch 1372 files
[09:08] <hangthedj> hangthedj's upgrade instructions :
[09:08] <dennister> posingaspopular: yes
[09:08] <hangthedj> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:08] <franz_> what do you guys recommend for an RSS reader which supports HTTPP Authentication?  :)
[09:08] <hangthedj> change everything to gutsy
[09:09] <hangthedj> hit alt+o or alt+x choose save
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> hangthedj: yes you keep typing that but it is not recommended
[09:09] <posingaspopular> dennister: why dont you just do it via command line? everyone i know that did it without any errors did it with CLI and everyone who did it with gui got stomped
[09:09] <hangthedj> the sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[09:09] <dennister> but since i changed the canadian server for the us one in my sources.list perhaps i'll get a better result this time
[09:09] <hangthedj> well the gui isn't working.
[09:09] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: first add the feisty-proposed channel then update and upgrade everything before upgrading to gutsy
[09:09] <dennister> posingaspopular: i tried doing it via cli, i got nada
[09:09] <hangthedj> aparently
[09:10] <posingaspopular> hmm okay
[09:10] <posingaspopular> im off to bed and all that gl
[09:10] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: the proposed channel was already added...there was absolutely nothing to upgrade...i am extremely good about updates
[09:10] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: :D ok
[09:11] <dennister> posingaspopular: good night, and thank you
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: another suggestion may be to get on the dvd torrent so you can upgrade using that, at least no need to download packages again and again
[09:12] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: yes, if this doesn't work i'll probably go that route
[09:12] <Lord_Cerber> lol - apt-get says that kde is NOT installed and tryes to install it. The question is what was i running all the time? :) Thats completly not my day to work with pc
[09:12] <sunny_> HI
[09:13] <sunny_> anybody in
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> Lord_Cerber: the package 'kde', 'kde-core', kubuntu-desktop, or ?
[09:13] <dennister> this is wild...already at 10%...certainly isn't going to take 12 hours this time
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> sunny_: sure
[09:13] <t1n0m3n> I have my quicklauncher set to auto add apps as I use them...  However I am not getting stuff added to the quick launcher.  I have "add/remove applications based on..." checked, and max and min both set to 6...  However, it does not add apps as I use them.  Any suggestions on how I can get it to auto add apps?  I am running 7.10
[09:13] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: :D
[09:13] <t1n0m3n> worked fine in 7.04 btw
[09:14] <sunny_> I can't confgure print by the windows
[09:14] <dennister> lol...it must have been teh canadian server that was slowing things down so much...not to mention keeping 42 key files back
[09:14] <sunny_> I need some help
[09:14] <Lord_Cerber> the kde package
[09:14] <dennister> <------thought 12 hours was too long for a dsl connection!
[09:14] <t1n0m3n> sunny_: me too
[09:15] <sunny_> Hi sunny_ why are you form
[09:15] <Lord_Cerber> both with core and localisation
[09:15] <posingaspopular> !ask | sunny_
[09:15] <ubotu> sunny_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:16] <sunny_> How to configure my printer
[09:16] <sunny_> at gusty
[09:16] <t1n0m3n> sunny_: how is it connected?
[09:17] <sunny_> by windows network
[09:17] <WaltzingAlong> sunny_: how is it connected? which printer? is windows correctly configured to share it? then you connect to a samba printer through kmenu/system settings/printers
[09:17] <Lord_Cerber> i guess i had installed kde manually some time ago and forgot. now i understand why most apps wont work
[09:18] <WaltzingAlong> sunny_: follow the wizard when clicking add new printer, second screen of wizard should have an option to connect to an smb shared printer (windows)
[09:19] <sunny_> Yes
[09:22] <sunny_> I have follow the wizard, but I can't configure it correctly
[09:23] <babs> hi everyone
[09:23] <t1n0m3n> high
[09:24] <dennister> ok channel, if other people come in saying they're having probs with gutsy upgrade (from feisty using adept) ask them if they're using the canadian server...the us one seems to be working *much* bettter
[09:24] <babs> just wondering why gutsy doesnt display my NTFS partitions, anyone can give me some clues?
[09:24] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: great glad things are moving along
[09:24] <t1n0m3n> babs: are they configured in /etc/fstab?
[09:25] <WaltzingAlong> !source-o-matic
[09:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[09:25] <babs> just a sec, let me check it up
[09:25] <dennister> the fetching is certainly a LOT faster
[09:25] <needles> is it safe to upgrade to gutsy yet?
[09:25] <needles> im still waiting for the dust to settle
[09:25] <needles> maybe another week or two
[09:25] <babs> hmmm.. that entries are missing, but feisty did it automatically
[09:26] <WaltzingAlong> needles: sure; largest issue i would say has been the hit on the repositories so some downloads were slow
[09:26] <babs> thanx t1n0m3n, I will figure out a way to get it done now
[09:27] <t1n0m3n> needles: I had a lot less problems getting Gutsy running than Feisty.
[09:27] <dennister> i'm 30% done after only 30 minutes
[09:27] <t1n0m3n> babs: should be straight forward
[09:27] <dennister> but i have LOTS of apps running, too
[09:27] <needles> t1n0m3n : what are the problems people seem to be having
[09:27] <needles> i prefer to have none
[09:27] <needles> which is why ill stay on feisty for a while
[09:27] <babs> yeah I just hope to so :) t1n0m3n
[09:27] <dennister> lol @ needles
[09:28] <babs> thanx anyway , bye
[09:28] <dennister> well i need 00.o v. 2.2.3
[09:28] <needles> i have feisty running smoother than any other linux install ive ever had
[09:29] <dennister> needles: on amd64?
[09:29] <t1n0m3n> needles: standard repository stuff from being overloaded, but other than that, not many other issues.... It has fixed my dual monitor issues, knetworkmanager segfaults, merlin xu870 kernel panics, vpn issues, etc... All in all 7.10 is a good release IMO
[09:29] <Hamra> i must agree with needles, im new to linux, and was afraid of the stories told about how hard linux is, but so far, i never had a single problem with feisty!
[09:30] <needles> Hamra : word
[09:30] <dennister> feisty is good, as was edgy...i never could get my ivtv drivers compiled with dapper
[09:31] <needles> i liked dapper, but i upgraded due to package limitations
[09:32] <needles> Hamra : i tried gentoo first, and if you know anything about it, its a bitch to get isntalled
[09:32] <dennister> of course, i was a much bigger noob back before edgy
[09:32] <t1n0m3n> Wine seems to be much better in gutsy as well.  I actually got Ventrillo working in wine... never could in Feisty.
[09:32] <needles> i actually just started linux a month or two ago
[09:33] <needles> and already feel like i know everything
[09:33] <needles> maybe 3
[09:33] <needles> t1n0m3n : i got vent working in wine
[09:33] <dennister> as a new windows refugee a year ago, i was still under the impression that 64-bit versions were most appropriate for my hardware...i lost a couple of months trying to get 64-bit versions of linux working
[09:34] <needles> dennister : so youre using 32 bit?
[09:34] <needles> the only thing i cant get to emigrate is xfire
[09:34] <needles> i never could get the gaim plugin to work
[09:34] <dennister> my kubuntu is i386...my gentoo is amd64
[09:34] <Hamra> i tried fedora on vmware, and its install crashed 3 times, then i got feisty, and installed it on the hard drive, not a single problem, the only thing is that i didnt like the partitioner, so i used my old trusted pqmagic
[09:34] <needles> for gaim or pidgin
[09:35] <needles> dennister : i never could get gentoo to isntall for me
[09:35] <needles> i tried the livedvd and a stage 3 install, but none of it would happen
[09:35] <needles> sabayon is the next best thing though
[09:35] <dennister> my amd64 gentoo is pretty good...main problem is flash...no sound for it, no way
[09:36] <needles> dennister : yeah, gentoo is hard to get stuff like that working
[09:36] <needles> sabayon comes with all the wrappers working in firefox
[09:36] <needles> last timem i checked
[09:36] <dennister> what i want is a 3D video card that is NOT based on nvidia or ati
[09:36] <t1n0m3n> 7.04 my comp would segfault on too many changes to knetworkmanager....  so long as I had it set up and left it alone it worked fine...  7.10, I have yet to get a knetworkmanager segfault.  7.10 seems to be a nice improvement over 7.04.
[09:36] <needles> sabayon = awesome gentoo
[09:37] <dennister> 7.04 always segfaults when i close ktorrent...without fail...so i'm now using utorrent under wine
[09:37] <needles> t1n0m3n : yeah, knetworkmanager always used to give me problems
[09:38] <needles> dennister : have you heard of deluge? its build for linux from utorrent
[09:38] <needles> !deluge
[09:38] <ubotu> deluge is a new Bittorrent client, created using Python and GTK+, intended to bring a native, full-featured client to !GTK environments such as GNOME and Xfce - See http://deluge-torrent.org/ for more information or http://download.deluge-torrent.org/stable/ubuntu/feisty/ for downloading.
[09:38] <dennister> i don't need knetworkmanager...i have one machine running here since my son spread his wings and moved across town...and i hate wireless
[09:38] <Hamra> utorrent is an excellent program, i'll see this deluge, thnx needles
[09:38] <dennister> ok, perhaps i'll try deluge...thanks needles
[09:39] <needles> i dig it, utorrent always messes up for me in wine
[09:39] <needles> i dont like the way the fonts appear either
[09:39] <t1n0m3n> I run it on my laptop, so knetworkmanager is nice
[09:39] <dennister> i tried installing bitlord pro under wine for my son...what a mess
[09:40] <needles> ive never tried that
[09:40] <needles> i once attempted to get torrentflux working so i could control my torrents while i was at school, but i was too impatient to do all the reading
[09:40] <dennister> that's the one he was used to under windows...but it uses a gecko engine you also have to install under wine...which is where i think the probs lie
[09:41] <t1n0m3n> I installed gecko as a part of my WoW install
[09:41] <faz> salut les francais
[09:41] <needles> t1n0m3n : how are you running WoW? under wine, or cedega
[09:41] <t1n0m3n> needles: Wine
[09:41] <Hamra> !gecko
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gecko - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:41] <dennister> t1n0m3n: ur a gamer? i want to get some games going for my son
[09:41] <needles> t1n0m3n : how does it run?
[09:42] <Hamra> !info gecko
[09:42] <dennister> gecko is for windows...
[09:42] <ubotu> Package gecko does not exist in gutsy
[09:42] <needles> speaking of bit torrent, you could snag a pirated cedega pretty easy
[09:42]  * WaltzingAlong has run WoW under WINE; worked well
[09:42] <needles> that was my method, heh
[09:42] <Hamra> what is gecko?
[09:42] <t1n0m3n> needles: my laptop is a Dell M90 with 2 G of ram and a Quadro 1500.... it works much better than my home machine...hehe\
[09:42] <needles> t1n0m3n : yeah
[09:42] <dennister> gecko is an engine bitlord pro (a torrent client for windows)
[09:43] <needles> once i get my new video card, im fully emigrated from windows
[09:43] <Hamra> ok
[09:43] <dennister> ergo, to install bitlord under wine, u also have to install gecko under wine...but it doesn't work well
[09:43] <dennister> needles: what are you getting?
[09:44] <needles> dennister : one of the newer GT;s
[09:44] <needles> GT's*
[09:44] <t1n0m3n> needles: Interesting tidbit, is that Blizzard seems to be working to include linux users now... The latest patch has a bunch of improvements specifically for opengl users
[09:44] <needles> i just have to stay around a 100 bucks
[09:44] <needles> t1n0m3n : ive noticed that too
[09:44] <dennister> Blizzard? what's that?
[09:44] <WaltzingAlong> and previous patches that brake WoW for WINE were addressed
[09:44] <dennister> another game?
[09:44] <needles> newer games are putting out lots of linux ports
[09:44] <needles> dennister : a game company
[09:44] <needles> that makes WoW
[09:44] <dennister> innnnnnnnteresting......
[09:45] <dennister> perhaps they anticipate that vista will drive more people into linux's welcoming fold
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> break*
[09:46] <t1n0m3n> Here is what I dont understand...  Why do game companies write for windows...  Wouldn't it be easier to write for an open source and port it all to hell?  In other words... support everyone?  Linux to Windows ports work MUCH better than the other way around.
[09:46] <Hamra> unfortunatly my internet crap is not suitable for WoW, i got till frozen throne only
[09:46] <t1n0m3n> Write the game once and support everyone...  so to speak
[09:47] <needles> t1n0m3n : ive wondered that too
[09:47] <needles> why buy lincensing rights for directx and other windows stuff
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> t1n0m3n: yes it should be easier to write portable c++ and opengl for example, then port it around; and perhaps soon it comes to that
[09:47] <needles> not really needed if you just go to the free codecs
[09:47] <Hamra> but will they get the performance they get with direct x?
[09:47] <dennister> i don't think they see it that way: they think they need to get something out ASAP, and to encourage uptake they choose the OS that most ppl still use
[09:48] <needles> dennister : yeah, companies are really just thinking about sales
[09:48] <needles> but someday itll come to something like that
[09:48] <needles> i play mostly open source games anyway
[09:48] <t1n0m3n> I certainly hope so
[09:48] <dennister> if they write for linux, then port to winblows, that's an extra step to satisf the majority of potential customers
[09:49] <t1n0m3n> you ever play tremulous?
[09:49] <dennister> *satisfy
[09:49] <needles> t1n0m3n : hell yeah
[09:49] <t1n0m3n> that game is cool
[09:49] <needles> it is
[09:49] <wilson> t1n0m3n: directx is the easiest thing to use i think, has the latest features too
[09:49] <wilson> but I don't know for sure
[09:49] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: most of the game should remain the same just the engine may need a slight rewrite; the graphics and such should work on any; for example q3 with ioquake (openarena) or normal q3;
[09:50] <t1n0m3n> wilson: however it locks users into windows... which is not good IMO
[09:50] <needles> the programmers for the companies may not be familiar with openGL either
[09:50] <wilson> yes, but everyone uses windows
[09:50] <WaltzingAlong> wilson: yes but everyone could use ms windows with opengl
[09:51] <wilson> even id studios is going to stop using opengl i think
[09:51] <WaltzingAlong> wilson: seems to me the directx bubble was similar to the IE bubble; interest elsewhere, then MS put a lot into getting IE/DirectX in use, then it died off again and people in the directx camp realized how trapped they were
[09:51] <WaltzingAlong> for the next two years it may make sense to write window-centric games, sure
[09:51]  * wilson shrugs
[09:51] <needles> linux is becoming more widespread
[09:52] <needles> and is improving at a constant rate
[09:52] <wilson> with dx10 linux took a hit imho , but long term things might change
[09:52] <t1n0m3n> needles: especially with ubuntu coming out... I am impressed
[09:52] <needles> t1n0m3n : yeah
[09:53] <needles> it helped me get into it
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> wilson: i am not so sure directx10 is all that nor i am convinced the developers consider it so either
[09:53] <dennister> i'm trying to find ANY nvidia card that will actually work with vista premium...apparently lots of cards advertise that they are compliant,...but they're NOT...even the info is hard to find
[09:53] <needles> dx10 is vista only too, which is lame
[09:53] <wilson> well, every game that supports it, is a game that probably won't run under wine
[09:53] <needles> ill never get vista, save perhaps a pirated version
[09:54] <dennister> and i do not think my son is gonna shell out %600 for a video card when it's his $
[09:54] <dennister> oops...$600
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: have you read about why that likely is the case? (the problems with drivers and vista)?
[09:54] <Hamra> dennister, arent the gforce 8 series supposed to be directx 10 compliant?
[09:54] <wilson> its easy to run vista and not pay for it if you're happy to flash your bios
[09:54] <needles> dennister : new has some good ranged ones around 100 to 400
[09:54] <t1n0m3n> I have been using linux since Slackware 3 and I get more and more excited as ubuntu releases versions.  I even have my mom running kubuntu... LOL
[09:55] <dennister> apparently the gpu is often compliant, but the rest of the card isn't, so it's a case of false advertising
[09:55] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: about the technical details of the driver specs?
[09:55] <t1n0m3n> which, of course, she loves  hehe
[09:55] <needles> t1n0m3n : ha, im pressing my family members to run linux too
[09:55] <WaltzingAlong> needles: set them up, help them out;
[09:55] <dennister> t1n0m3n: now don't use that 'even mom can use linux' line, if you please
[09:56] <dennister> <-------is the mom who sets the 19-year-old male up
[09:56] <needles> WaltzingAlong : all they do is surf, email, chat and such
[09:56] <dennister> :P
[09:56] <needles> music, movies
[09:56] <t1n0m3n> dennister: however, my mom is not your typical "mom" she is pretty much a hacker at heart
[09:56] <needles> it performs well, and better
[09:56] <dennister> needles!
[09:57] <t1n0m3n> she is over 70 though...  lol
[09:57] <dennister> it's my son that "all he does is surf, email, chat, watch movies, music..."
[09:57] <dennister> <-----mom that enjoys building htpc's and databases
[09:58] <needles> dennister : which means they can get weened off m$ and onto something more secure and stable
[09:58] <t1n0m3n> dennister: lol
[09:58] <dennister> needles: not when the teenager simply likes to argue and fight mom
[09:59] <Hamra> dennister, you must have a lucky son, my mom is the type that hates computers and keep trying to seperate me from them, poo her, its a dream that will never come true :P
[09:59] <t1n0m3n> thats when you just smack em
[09:59] <Hamra> poor*
[09:59] <t1n0m3n> j/k
[09:59] <needles> dennister : temperence comes gradually
[09:59] <wilson> man i need a htpc
[09:59] <dennister> ever seen "thank you for smoking"?
[09:59] <needles> my sister likes using my comp
[10:00] <needles> they also have older laptops, so it would definately run faster than xp on them
[10:00] <needles> dennister : yeah
[10:00] <dennister> that PR guy is my son's hero..."it doesn't matter if you're right or not; all that matters is if you can argue well"
[10:01] <dennister> ethics, law, "being accurate/honest"...that doesn't mean beans to him...lol
[10:01] <dennister> <------gnashes her teeth regularly
[10:02] <t1n0m3n> it will somewhere down the line, that may be one of those things that he will have to learn on his own.
[10:02] <Hamra> needles: it definitly works faster than XP, i have 512 mb ram, and the swap isnt used, on XP there is always more than 400 mb virtual memory
[10:02] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: give http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html a read for an overview of the technical why vista drivers are they way they are
[10:02] <dennister> good thing he moved out, eh? his life span would not have been very long if he stayed
[10:02] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: i have that file here!
[10:03] <dennister> i gave it to my son a few days ago
[10:03] <t1n0m3n> hehe
[10:03] <dennister> <----is trying
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: in my experience gnu/linux deals with resources much better than say ms windows; 2GB RAM? sure ms windows needs it because it uses it so poorly. start windows and right away you will see that it has decided to use the swap file, despite having a gig something free of RAM
[10:04] <needles> dennister : heh
[10:04] <needles> well i must be off to bed, its 4 am
[10:04] <t1n0m3n> 4 am here too
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> 11
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> cheers
[10:04] <dennister> actually, i am glad to say that, although my son fights me tooth and nail on just about everything, eventually he does parrot me
[10:04] <dennister> night guys
[10:04] <t1n0m3n> however I am drinking vodka... and I am on vacation...
[10:05] <Hamra> 12 noon :P
[10:05] <dennister> <-----i'm retired, so don't need to go to bed at a reasonable hour
[10:05] <Hamra> im in work now, working hard as you can see :P
[10:06] <dennister> it's 5am here, and my upgrade is now 72% done, so i'm anxious to see if it works this time
[10:06] <t1n0m3n> things happen so fast at my work that I don't even think about chatting at all
[10:07] <dennister> t1n0m3n: u a techie?
[10:08] <t1n0m3n> dennister: I am a security tech for a cellular company. I build firewalls and such
[10:08] <dennister> silly question...most ppl here are techies
[10:08] <t1n0m3n> hehe
[10:08] <dennister> except me
[10:08] <dennister> i never took a tech course in my life
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> techies in the sense of put in the livecd of kubuntu
[10:09] <t1n0m3n> non techie on a linux irc channel?!?!?!   surely you jest
[10:09] <dennister> very funny
[10:09] <t1n0m3n> :)
[10:09] <dennister> ok, so i'm not alone...thank god
[10:10] <dennister> i'm just a geek-wannabe
[10:10] <t1n0m3n> ok, so what did you do before you retired?
[10:10] <dennister> heheheh.., i was an it-specialist headhunter
[10:11] <dennister> I placed the QA manager at Texas Instruments Canada
[10:11] <Hamra> if i have a folder with loads of .deb packages, is there a way to install them all?
[10:11] <t1n0m3n> ahh, I need a job...  You know some peapoles?
[10:11] <t1n0m3n> hehe
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> Hamra: sudo dpkg -i *.deb ?
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> sure, know of anything in western europe
[10:11] <dennister> as well as the Director of Engineering at Platform Computing
[10:11] <Hamra> thnx, i'll try it
[10:12] <t1n0m3n> cool
[10:12] <dennister> or director of some such...they keep promoting him, i placed him as a software architect
[10:13] <dennister> of course, he wrote the hyphenator program for MS word while he was still doing a bachelor's at university of Waterloo
[10:13] <dennister> went on to do phd in security...wrote search engines as a hobby
[10:13] <dennister> lol
[10:14] <t1n0m3n> AT&T gobbled up my company, so I get to do the whole head hunter thing here pretty soon
[10:14] <hangthedj> why is openoffice.org installed by default on kubuntu instead of koffice?
[10:14] <WaltzingAlong> hangthedj: more consistency with ubuntu and the general msoffice replacement?
[10:15] <dennister> but like i said, i retired...'bout 3.5 years ago...and the whole industry took such a nosedive after nortel crashed everybody else...the headhunting business never recovered, i don't think
[10:15] <hangthedj> but everytime i open a msword doc in openoffice it doesn't look right, but using koffice looks right.
[10:15] <t1n0m3n> ACCCHHH!!!  you said a bad word....    I dont have too high of an opinon of them
[10:16] <dennister> yes....folks heading up Nortel were slime...and long before they went bust, too
[10:17] <t1n0m3n> All of their cellular switches are about 10 to 15 years out of date
[10:17] <t1n0m3n> they still use a pre- rip version one in their networking platform
[10:17] <t1n0m3n> it causes many a headach
[10:17] <t1n0m3n> e
[10:18] <dennister> the canadian taxpayers helped make them what they became...and yet they were always threatening to move their HQ and all their jobs to the US if the canadian government didn't give them more and more favourable tax treatment...biggest corporate welfare bums in existence
[10:18] <dennister> and that was B4 they ripped everyone off
[10:19] <dennister> they guy i placed at TI Canada was from Nortel
[10:19] <t1n0m3n> well, as far as I can see, they made the biggest mistake in firing all of their developers... speaking as an end user that is
[10:19] <hirak99> hi, how can i tell ubuntu that "please remember that i have the kubuntu cd also, please prompt me and install from that cd if i ask you to install something that is already there, and don't download it again"?
[10:20] <dennister> hirak99: u don't want to do that
[10:20] <dennister> the downloaded version will always be newer than the one on the cd
[10:20] <hirak99> dennister, i think i want to - wherever the download version is the same atleast. i have a slow connection - 256 kbps
[10:21] <hirak99> 'software sources' already has the ubuntu cd anyway...
[10:21] <dennister> ahhhhh, ok, i understand the urge then, but if you install it from cd first, it'll just need to be downloaded again
[10:22] <hirak99> dennister, that's even ok i suppose, assuming that the downloaded part will in most cases be less than if i had to download the whole thing
[10:22] <dennister> keeping apps updated is important for security and functionality
[10:22] <dennister> the downloaded part won't be less
[10:22] <dennister> it'll be the same
[10:23] <hirak99> dennister, you mean entire kde system has to be downloaded again??
[10:23] <dennister> for example, downloading an update to amarok (big file) will always take as long as downloading the whole app for the first time
[10:24] <dennister> hirak99: kde is a LOT of individual files...not one big one
[10:24] <hangthedj> does anybody know what $@ is in bash scripting?
[10:24] <dennister> hirak99: you've already downloaded kde, right?
[10:24] <hirak99> i downloaded the cd
[10:25] <dennister> you haven't installed it yet? you don't have ubuntu or kubuntu running?
[10:26] <doudou92> Hello,
[10:26] <hirak99> hangthedj, http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#SEC25
[10:26] <doudou92> I have a problem of display with gutsy
[10:26] <hirak99> dennister, i have ubuntu running, and have the kubuntu in a cd which i haven't installed yet
[10:27] <t1n0m3n> doudou92: what is your display doing?
[10:27] <doudou92> Thank you
[10:28] <doudou92> There is two black part on the right and left part of the screen
[10:28] <dennister> hirak99: ok then, here's what you do: in a terminal, type: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:28] <t1n0m3n> doudou92: Do you have a widescreen monitor?
[10:29] <doudou92> Yes, I have a 1680x1050@60
[10:29] <dennister> hirak99: if you only want to install from cd, put a # mark in front of every line that referenes an http or ftp site
[10:29] <doudou92> I look on xorg.conf, the resolution is present
[10:29] <hangthedj> hirak99, thanks!
[10:29] <dennister> then, when you do want to get updates from the web again, just remove those # marks
[10:30] <hangthedj> hirak99, that site is incredibly helpfull. :)
[10:30] <hirak99> dennister, don't really want to do that, i want apt to know that i have the cdrom *also*
[10:31] <hirak99> hangthedj, you are welcome
[10:31] <dennister> yes, but apt will probably prefer the web sites cause they are more up to date
[10:31] <t1n0m3n> doudou92: what resolution do you see when you go to the menu and click "System Settings" and the "Monitor and Display"? (Screen Size)
[10:31] <WaltzingAlong> if you have the alternate cd or have the dvd then you can run the upgrade from cd/dvd script on the disc
[10:31] <dennister> apt will deprecate teh cd versions
[10:32] <doudou92> I see the right resolution
[10:32] <doudou92> in fact, the resolution is excellent, but there is a distorsion of the image
[10:32] <doudou92> it's a bit narrow
[10:32] <t1n0m3n> hmm
[10:32] <doudou92> I didn't told you:
[10:32] <doudou92> the screen is a Asus PW201
[10:33] <dennister> ok, wtf????!!!
[10:33] <doudou92> the mobo is an Asus P5L-MX
[10:33] <doudou92> the Graphical chipset is an ich7 with i945
[10:33] <dennister> the gutsy updater finally finished fetching the 1372 files, and then just disappeared
[10:34] <Hamra> dennister: you sure it isnt preparing something in the background to reappear again?
[10:35] <doudou92> I just have the problem one time with opensuse 10.2, but they have a tool (Yast) which permit to modifiy the frequency and I could solve the problem.
[10:35] <dennister> or rather, the adept full-version update tool just disappeared
[10:35] <tysonsw> !ati
[10:35] <dennister> Hamra: i looked for a background process...doesn't seem to be one
[10:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:36] <dennister> although as soon as i did start the full version upgrade, the adept triagnle did show up in my docker
[10:36] <doudou92> But from the moment the kernel 6.2.22 was introduced, I had the problem with all the distro I tried (mandriva, ubuntu and kubuntu). I'm finishing to download opensuse 10.3
[10:37] <dennister> Hamra: and it's saying that there are 1203 updated packages available...aren't they the same ones i fetched within the 1372?
[10:37] <t1n0m3n> doudou92: What does your "Menu", "System Settings", "Monitor & Display", "Administrator Mode" (Type password) "Monitor 1", "Configure", "Image Format" have in it?
[10:37] <tysonsw> what should you write in the console to see what system you are using.. always forget
[10:38] <t1n0m3n> uname -a
[10:38] <Hamra> they are supposed to be, they are probably in cache /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:39] <tysonsw> what are you supposed to write in the console to se if you are using fiesty or gutsy??
[10:39] <doudou92> Just a while, I'm obliged to boot on gutsy (I was on feisty). I'm back soon.
[10:40] <Gun_Smoke> grrr
[10:40] <Gun_Smoke> I'm trying to get to my HD from my live cd...
[10:40] <tysonsw> what are you supposed to write in the console to se if you are using fiesty or gutsy??
[10:40] <dennister> Hamra: so what do i do...if i let adept upgrade these 1203 packages, won't it be simply downloading them again?
[10:41] <baoji> dennister: If you have already downloaded them, I do not think it will download them again.
[10:41] <dennister> ok...let's see what happens if i just say apply updates
[10:42] <Gun_Smoke> I should be able to mount hda1 from a live cd right?
[10:42] <baoji> dennister: You can see how many are already downloaded by typing, in the console, 'sudo apt-get upgrade'. It will tell you how many are to be downloaded.
[10:42] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: yes you can do that
[10:42] <Hamra> yes it will say something like x mb of the y mb are to be downloaded
[10:43] <Gun_Smoke> WaltzingAlong, So you would need to make a blank directory on the livecd right?
[10:43] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: sudo mkdir /mnt/windows
[10:43] <t1n0m3n> tysonsw: lsb_release -a
[10:43] <dennister> ok...it just seems to be unpacking & installing, and skipping the downloading part...whew!
[10:43] <Gun_Smoke> mount -t ext3 -o defaults/dev/hda1 /home/disk
[10:44] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: ok but then what happens?
[10:44] <dennister> basically what the last 90 minutes of the adept full-version upgrade did was *prepare* adept for what it's doing now
[10:45] <Gun_Smoke> WaltzingAlong, Not much.. I isn't mounted..
[10:45] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: try a sudo at the front of that
[10:46] <Gun_Smoke> I did
[10:46] <Hamra> thats why im not taking any chances with my 250 kbps connection, im going to download the alternate CD
[10:46] <dennister> great!!! and now it got 2% installed, ran into debconf, and quit! as it happily tells me, "A new distribution version is available!"
[10:47] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: is the disc now /dev/sda1 ?
[10:48] <Gun_Smoke> uhh......
[10:48] <dennister> gutsy doesn't like me :(
[10:50] <Gun_Smoke> WaltzingAlong, How do I find that out?
[10:50] <t1n0m3n> doudou: Are you on gutsy now?
[10:50] <doudou> yes
[10:50] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: you could use qtparted to graphically see which are available. or you could use parted at the command line
[10:50] <resakse> hiya all...got problem after I upgrade to gutsy, my cpufreqd [
[10:51] <resakse> Failed]
[10:51] <t1n0m3n> doudou92: What does your "Menu", "System Settings", "Monitor & Display", "Administrator Mode" (Type password) "Monitor 1", "Configure", "Image Format" have in it?
[10:51] <t1n0m3n> doudou: What does your "Menu", "System Settings", "Monitor & Display", "Administrator Mode" (Type password) "Monitor 1", "Configure", "Image Format" have in it?
[10:51] <t1n0m3n> hehe, copy paste error
[10:51] <doudou> I'm just arriving on monitor & display>Hardware>Screen>Configure. The format is 4:3
[10:52] <doudou> It's the original settings
[10:52] <t1n0m3n> doudou: you are running 16:9 right?
[10:52] <doudou> not, for the moment, 4:3, but I can try with 16:9
[10:54] <resakse> brb testing something
[10:55] <t1n0m3n> you should be 1680x1050 and have "Image Format" set to "Widescreen 16:9"
[10:55] <Gun_Smoke> WaltzingAlong, I found it.. It was already on /mnt/hda1
[10:55] <Gun_Smoke> WaltzingAlong, That is why it was tripping up.
[10:55] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: still it should have been able to be mounted again
[10:55] <Gun_Smoke> humm.. then I am still doing something wrong.
[10:55] <t1n0m3n> doudou: set it to this and logoff, restart your x-server, and log back in...
[10:56] <doudou> I try. no immediat change, I will restart the xorg server.
[10:56] <t1n0m3n> kk
[10:56] <doudou> I have a problem: the battery of my mouse is out.
[10:57] <t1n0m3n> doh
[10:57] <doudou> How can I use the keypad to emulate the mouse?
[10:57] <WaltzingAlong> Gun_Smoke: the command mount       shows which regarding /mnt/hda1 ?
[10:58] <dennister> t1n0m3n: ok Mr. Security, i have a terminal box telling me "Most services use pam need to be restarted to use modules built for  this new version of libpam."
[10:58] <t1n0m3n> dennister: have you restarted?
[10:58] <dennister> i'm to check my init.d folder and add any programs in it to the 5 that are listed in this dialogue box
[10:59] <dennister> hold on...problem is, there are no less than 65 files/programs in my init.d folder!
[10:59] <t1n0m3n> lol
[10:59] <dennister> no, i haven't restarted yet
[11:00] <t1n0m3n> doudou: how did that work?
[11:00] <dennister> after adept quit at installing debconf (from gutsy) i tried again in cli, and then finally the packages i'd downloaded started unpacking and installing
[11:01] <WaltzingAlong> !info bum | dennister
[11:02] <ubotu> dennister: bum: graphical runlevel editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.10-1 (gutsy), package size 82 kB, installed size 532 kB
[11:02] <doudou> It's done, no change  :'(
[11:02] <dennister> what the heck do i do here? does mysql (part of my myth installation) use PAM?
[11:02] <doudou> On Monitor, the 16:9 format is selected
[11:02] <t1n0m3n> dennister: the bot just called you a bum!!! are you going to take that?
[11:03] <dennister> i'm afraid i don't use bum anymore...the services list in system settings does well enuf for me
[11:03] <dennister> t1n0m3n: hardi-har-har
[11:03] <t1n0m3n> dennister: :)
[11:03] <taylan> how to install java support to gutsy (kubuntu)
[11:04] <dennister> so how many of my init.d scripts use PAM?
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> !java | taylan
[11:04] <ubotu> taylan: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[11:04] <doudou> Hello t1n0m3n
[11:05] <t1n0m3n> doudou: what was your screen model name again?
[11:05] <doudou> asus pw201
[11:06] <doudou> As I told you, I had problem only with opensus 10.2 and it was solved, but with all distro with 6.2.22 kernel
[11:07] <filemover> hi Ive got a problem with aptitude and an installed package "tor" everytime I update, install a new package, run dpkg --configure -a etc apt tries to reinstall tor how can I fix this thanks. Its causing me no problems as such but is extremely anoying when trying to ascertain the status of newly installed packages
[11:08] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: does tor ever get installed completely? sudo dpkg --configure -a          to take care of it, does it attempt to configure tor? does it error out?
[11:09] <filemover> yes its on the system and I run tor through vidalia  and Ive disabled the tor init scripts but this was happening way long b4 that
[11:09] <dennister> does anyone know which init.d files use PAM/will need to be rebuilt for new version of libpam?
[11:09] <filemover> ive run dpkg --configure -a   it does nothing
[11:10] <filemover> ill send a pastebin
[11:10] <WaltzingAlong> ok
[11:12] <filemover> here is the output from   "dpkg --configure -a"     http://pastebin.com/d1ba04036
[11:14] <filemover> the output is the same for "dkpg --configure tor" as is for   "dpkg --configure -a"
[11:15] <WaltzingAlong> ok checking now
[11:17] <filemover> in /etc/rc1.d ... rc5.d  ive renamed S80tor   to    K20tor   disabling the init scripts  so i can control tor solely through vidalia
[11:18] <mzolisi> Anyone upgraded to Gutsy Gibbon yet?
[11:18] <dennister> mzolisi: doing so now...715 packages to unpack still to go
[11:18] <filemover> to much work at the moment
[11:19] <dennister> mzolisi: been working at this for 16 hours now...it's giving some people probs
[11:19] <filemover> its like you get one distro how u like it and another adition comes along
[11:20] <JackPhil> there is too many desktop on panel
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: you are quite welcome to stay at the one how you like it. perhaps with 8.04 you could stick with that for 3 years on the desktop since it is the next lts release
[11:20] <dennister> filemover: very true...but we keep getting beguiled, by 'faster, stronger, better'
[11:21] <dennister> "we can rebuild him..."
[11:21] <filemover> k  yeah im thinking the updates will satisfy me
[11:21] <filemover> lol
[11:21] <filemover> its all good the way it is now
[11:21] <filemover> and kubuntu is lightning quick on my machine
[11:22] <filemover> faster than XP ever was
[11:23] <filemover> anyway can anyone help me with my configure problem. Im sure its something only simple but i though id ask more informed people lol
[11:24] <dennister> my xp mce is still fast...on 64-bit hardware
[11:24] <dennister> filemover: configure what?
[11:24] <filemover> tor
[11:24] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: it errors because the config file is not present? /etc/tor/torrc
[11:24] <filemover> continues to try to reconfigure
[11:25] <filemover> ah!
[11:25] <Hamra> my xp pro still sucks... on my 32 bit hardware, lol
[11:25] <filemover> ill add it in WaltzingAlong
[11:25] <dennister> sorry, not me...i only briefly looked at tor some time ago
[11:25] <filemover> thnx
[11:25] <filemover> I only use it for sensitve websites
[11:25] <doudou> thank you for your help.
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: it shows that in the pastebin. line 8, cannot be found but later, line14 error reading config failed
[11:26] <filemover> ok
[11:26] <doudou> If you have "courage", you can take a look on the bug report.
[11:26] <doudou> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/148208
[11:26] <dennister> i've been wanting to use a proxy server, but the ones i've tried so far slowed things down in a *huge* way...and kept sending me to german-lanugage sites
[11:26] <dennister> not to mention other language sites i couldn't read
[11:27] <filemover> but im asking myself why when i run dpkg --configure -a   it trys to reconfigure when its already installed but ill add torrc and see how it goes. I know that Vidalia starts tor with its own config for tor and that could be part of the problem
[11:28] <dennister> only 255 packages to go now
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: installed (so the files in the deb are where they need to be) but not properly configured; and since it had the error, it is left in a 'not yet configured' state, so each run of aptitude or dpkg itself would attempt to configure not yet configured packages
[11:30] <filemover> ah!
[11:30]  * filemover bows down to WaltzingAlong's knowledge
[11:30] <filemover> lol
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> haha
[11:30] <filemover> thank you keemosabeeee
[11:31] <filemover> :)))))
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> so does that mean you have it working now?
[11:31] <filemover> ill nano in a torrc ok
[11:31] <filemover> one sec
[11:34]  * Hamra rebooting
[11:34] <taylan> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[11:34] <taylan> E: Type 'http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu' is not known on line 56 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <taylan> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:35] <taylan> so what
[11:35] <filemover> ok im not getting the errors now for torrc but it still says "Couldn't open file for 'Log notice file /var/log/tor/log"
[11:35] <rewolf> wats the name of the xorg gui thats apparently in gutsy?
[11:36] <filemover> and ive created that
[11:36] <ubuntu_>                                      .__.
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: even after creating file for log notice was not working?
[11:37] <filemover> yes
[11:37] <filemover> but I only put a dummy torrc file in   ie it has not tor options in it
[11:38] <filemover> so that could be the problem
[11:38] <filemover> ill get the one out of ~/.vidalia
[11:40] <taylan> hehe i have
[11:40] <taylan> i made it
[11:42] <WaltzingAlong> taylan: pastebin your sources.list
[11:44] <tysonsw> Any1 got a tip on how to make the audio driver work in gutsy??
[11:44] <NickPresta> !sound | tysonsw
[11:44] <ubotu> tysonsw: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:45] <esperegu> I upgraded to latest 7.10 but keep getting the 'Version Upgrade' button in adapt... any suggestions?
[11:45] <esperegu> sorry . in adept
[11:45] <WaltzingAlong> esperegu: known issue, ignore for now
[11:46] <shooood> # ubuntu
[11:46] <JackPhil> too many desktop workspace on panel
[11:46] <shooood> i wanna go to ubuntu plz
[11:46] <JackPhil> enable compiz fusion
[11:46] <esperegu> WaltzingAlong: thx
[11:46] <NickPresta> shooood, type: /join #ubuntu
[11:46] <shooood> thanks
[11:47] <RabidDog> Is there a Linux app similar to limewire?
[11:47] <Chousuke> yes
[11:47] <Chousuke> limewire
[11:47] <Chousuke> or I think the completely free version is called frostwire
[11:48] <WaltzingAlong> frostwire or something like that too
[11:48] <Chousuke> !info frostwire
[11:48] <ubotu> Package frostwire does not exist in gutsy
[11:48] <RabidDog> That's a surprise.  I didn't know it was out there  for Linux!
[11:48] <Chousuke> hmm
[11:49] <RabidDog> Thank you!
[11:49] <dennister> i don't think frostwire was ever in the repositories...but i had it installed aeons ago
[11:49] <dennister> if i remember correctly a different method of installation was used
[11:50] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: there is a .deb of it
[11:50] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: yes, and that made it easy for the noob i was back then
[11:50] <WaltzingAlong> http://www.frostwire.com/download/?os=ubuntu
[11:51] <dennister> i was thinking it was a deb package, but didn't want to give this person a bum steer
[11:51] <ubuntu_> ._.
[11:51] <Alethes> hey guys, I'm in the middle of a dist upgrade and it's fetched all the packages but when it went on to install them, it gave an error about not being able to install debconf, then another error about xorg and now it's just sitting on libcaca0.  I can't restart the install because it'll leave my system unusable.  Is there anything I can do?
[11:52] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: :D
[11:52] <dennister> lol & roflmho
[11:52] <dennister> Alethes: the exact same thing happened to me
[11:52] <dennister> err......or almost
[11:52] <Alethes> so what'd you do?
[11:53] <dennister> close adept and open a terminal
[11:53] <Alethes> ok
[11:53] <Alethes> term is open
[11:54] <dennister> Alethes: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:54] <dennister> that installed the stuff that had been downloaded
[11:54] <Alethes> cool
[11:55] <Alethes> the upgrader broke with 7.04 for me too
[11:55] <dennister> at least it's still setting stuff up...not sure if everything is perfect (app armor is a prob it seems) or if it will work for you
[11:55] <Alethes> so I guess I'm done with that
[11:56] <dennister> ok, finally finished...anyone know what AppArmor does?
[11:56] <Alethes> gets in the way :o
[11:56] <dennister> haha
[11:56] <mooper> where is the kubuntu development channell
[11:56] <mooper> ?
[11:56] <dennister> Alethes: is the command working for u yet?
[11:57] <WaltzingAlong> mooper: #kubuntu-devel
[11:57] <mschiff> what is the successor of pmount?
[11:57] <ksivaji> !openchrome
[11:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openchrome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <edenbeast> I always use wajig because I'm lazy and it's the most convenient front to the apt- utilities :P (immediately tells you how many upgrades are there after each update)
[11:57] <Alethes> gah, the updater is still trying to run dpkg
[11:58]  * WaltzingAlong still uses aptitude
[11:58] <Alethes> I closed it already
[11:58] <Alethes> man this makes me angry :/
[11:58] <gordonjcp> hello
[11:58] <dennister> well i have to log out and reboot to see the lay of the land...bbs
[11:59] <gordonjcp> since upgrading to Gutsy, Kopete is segfaulting on startup
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> gordonjcp:
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> kopete crashing on gutsy with msn? already addressed; check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29 with downloads for 32bit and 64bit
[11:59] <gordonjcp> WaltzingAlong: thanks
[12:00] <joerack> can anybody help me with k3b "malformed URL" error?
[12:00] <gordonjcp> WaltzingAlong: I did google it but perhaps I wasn't specific enough ;-)
[12:00] <edenbeast> joerack: when do you get that error?
[12:00] <WaltzingAlong> gordonjcp: ;) no worries
[12:01] <joerack> when I click on my dvd reader drive no matter what dvd i insert
[12:01] <mooper> hey all, anyone know where I can get help with knetwork manager. I changed the default gateway last night. Now it wont let me change it back!!!
[12:01] <edenbeast> ? :-/
[12:01] <edenbeast> joerack and are you trying to burn something or are you trying to watch a dvd?
[12:02] <joerack> trying to burn
[12:02] <gordonjcp> WaltzingAlong: I can confirm that this fixes the startup crash
[12:02] <gordonjcp> WaltzingAlong: thanks again
[12:02] <WaltzingAlong> mooper: kmenu/system settings/network settings/      should be able to change it there; otherwise you could edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:02] <WaltzingAlong> gordonjcp: :D great
[12:02] <edenbeast> joerack and you click on your drive in k3b somewhere?
[12:03] <WaltzingAlong> gordonjcp: that package will be available as a normal update sometime relatively soon
[12:03] <gordonjcp> cool
[12:03] <tysonsw> any1 know a good way to fix usb drivers??
[12:03] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: depends what drivers, and depends what you mean by "fix"
[12:04] <joerack> I just click once on my drive where there's the media list in the left columm of k3b
[12:04] <dennister> hmmmmmmmmmm I like :):):)
[12:04] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: so it works.. I can't find anything I pluginto the usb
[12:04] <joerack> if I click on the recorder it's ok , but the dvd reader on /dev/scd1 gives me that bug
[12:05] <dennister> at looong last; gutsy has landed!
[12:05] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: sounds like your USB ports are broken, then
[12:05] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: what have you tried plugging in?
[12:05] <edenbeast> joerack so it won't allow you to browse the content of your dvd? :-/
[12:06] <dennister> did Aleth...have to go?
[12:06] <edenbeast> joerack have you tried via its mountpoint in /media?
[12:06] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: a mp3 player.. and I plluged it into my windows computer and it worked..
[12:06] <joerack> it does if I insist
[12:06] <WaltzingAlong> !dvd
[12:06] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:06] <tysonsw> I think the problem is here with drivers
[12:06] <dennister> WaltzingAlong: success with gutsy!
[12:06] <WaltzingAlong> dennister: :D
[12:07] <joerack> edenbeast: can i send you a png?
[12:07] <dennister> 19 hours later, but stubborness does pay off
[12:07] <edenbeast> sure
[12:07] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: does it show up in dmesg?
[12:08] <dennister> everything just seems more brilliant to my eyes...or is that my imagination?
[12:08] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: yes
[12:08] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: but I don't know how to access it
[12:08] <joerack> edenbeast: pls receive
[12:09] <WaltzingAlong> after 19 hours it had better ;D dennister
[12:09] <edenbeast> joerack hmm I'm getting nothing here, no notification either :-/
[12:09] <edenbeast> 1 sec
[12:09] <mooper> WaltzingAlong: It hasnt changed anything in /etc/network/intefaces :/
[12:10] <edenbeast> joerack: try now?
[12:10] <Ajzo> !pastebin
[12:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:10] <WaltzingAlong> ::D
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> :( i meant
[12:11] <filemover> WaltzingAlong: thnx for the help  I fixed it,  I just purged tor and reinstalled it
[12:11] <dennister> and the OO Base's form wizard does work at long last...it says the jave installed is defective, but that's incorrect...it just wan't selected in this version yet
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> filemover: ha, that was easy
[12:11] <filemover> :))))
[12:11] <joerack> guess you can't receive
[12:11] <edenbeast> damn :-/
[12:12] <edenbeast> could you uplod it at imageshack.us or something?
[12:12] <hansen> after upgrading to gutsy I no longer have the "arch" command. Any idea which package it's in? (the shellutils package seems to be empty/obsolete)
[12:13] <dennister> anyway...it is now time for me to grab a few hours sleep ...good night folks...and remember: the canadian server is causing probs for gutzy-upgraders...change 'em to us
[12:13] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: but I don't know how to access it
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> mooper: knetworkmanager on feisty never worked well enough for me
[12:13] <mooper> WaltzingAlong: tell me about it!!
[12:14] <mooper> WaltzingAlong: Is there an alternative?
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> mooper: which kind of configuration do you have? wireless?
[12:14] <mooper> its a laptop
[12:14] <doudou> Hello,
[12:15] <doudou> How can I format a usb key
[12:15] <WaltzingAlong> mooper: to configure wireless with feisty i was using wlassistant
[12:15] <WaltzingAlong> mooper: or various commands such iwconfig
[12:16] <WaltzingAlong> doudou: in a graphical way? qtparted or gparted
[12:17] <Ajzo> can someone experienced can answer my 2 questions: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/41674/ , please ? :}
[12:18] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: it should be mounted somewhere
[12:18] <edenbeast> doudou if it's just a fat device use mkdosfs on it
[12:18] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: if (like most USB mp3 players) it just pretends to be a USB key
[12:18] <WaltzingAlong> Ajzo: as far as i know yes you can do that
[12:18] <gordonjcp> Ajzo: yeah, that should work
[12:18] <doudou> thank you edenbeast
[12:18] <edenbeast> if it's an ipod then it could have been formatted as hfs I believe (don't have an apple)
[12:19] <Ajzo> so i can have one /home for two linuxs and one SWAP also for two Linuxs ? :D
[12:19] <doudou> I am perhaps not precise enough
[12:19] <edenbeast> but ipods sold for windows use fat
[12:19] <WaltzingAlong> Ajzo: so long as both are not using it at the same time
[12:19] <gordonjcp> Ajzo: be careful - different versions of apps might clobber each other's config files in your homedir
[12:19] <edenbeast> mkdosfs /dev/<your device> (usually a scsi device like sda1 or something)
[12:19] <tmske> I'm trying to compile the latest kmplayer, but get errors about glib/gprintf.h not found, what package do I need to correct this?
[12:19] <doudou> I would like to completely erase the key, and use the whole capacity for storage
[12:20] <Ajzo> ok :) understood all :)
[12:20] <edenbeast> mkdosfs makes a whole new fat filesystem, that erases everything
[12:20] <Ajzo> thank u for answer ! ;)
[12:20] <doudou> I fear that wiht fat16, I will have problem: it's a 16Gb key
[12:21] <edenbeast> do mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/<your device>
[12:21] <edenbeast> that makes it fat32
[12:21] <philipp_> hi
[12:22] <philipp_> is there a hint to activate the video-out connector on a laptop in kubuntu? I have a lenovo 3000 v200.
[12:22] <aguitel> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L ?
[12:22] <edenbeast> doudou if you use sata disks make sure not to format those instead of your usb thingie :P
[12:23] <doudou> I agree!
[12:23] <edenbeast> they get created as scsi disks too
[12:23] <doudou> but may I use any kind of fs (jfs, xfs, reiserfs) for the key?
[12:24] <edenbeast> you can always do sudo fdisk -l /dev/<device> that'll tell you what it is exactly
[12:24] <edenbeast> doudou you can but then it will only be mountable by computers understanding those filesystems
[12:24] <edenbeast> fat32 is the big universal
[12:25] <doudou> ok! thanks a lot @+
[12:25] <chaplan> i have problems with kopete on ubuntu 7.10
[12:25] <chaplan> help please
[12:26] <edenbeast> chaplan is it crashing on msn? check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdelibs/+bug/153500/comments/29
[12:26] <chaplan> yes
[12:26] <TimS> I would like to upgrade to 7.10 but I dont want to loose any of my settings or files. Will Compiz-Fusion and the nvidia drivers wtill work when I upgrade?
[12:26] <chaplan> when i try to login
[12:26] <edenbeast> tttttttttthre's a fix, go to that link :-)
[12:27] <edenbeast> wow my wireless keyboard has the measles :P
[12:27] <emilsedgh> where could i get kubuntu stickers...
[12:29] <chaplan> edenbeast, is that a new package to install?
[12:29] <edenbeast> chaplan yes
[12:29] <chaplan> edenbeast, but can i just upgrade it?
[12:30] <bellodi> miao
[12:30] <edenbeast> chaplan I don't know if it's in the repositories already, I don't think so
[12:30] <bellodi> what is this?
[12:30] <edenbeast> chaplan, download it and install it and it'll work fine. I had the same error and this fixed it :-)
[12:30] <bellodi> a chat?
[12:31] <chaplan> edenbeast, i'm trying to keep a clean install for now, if i install this, will i be able to upgrade it later from the repos?
[12:31] <chaplan> edenbeast, great, doing it now, tx a lot
[12:31] <edenbeast> chaplan that shouldn't be a problem :-)
[12:31] <edenbeast> chaplan should it block then it can always be uninstalled prior to the upgrade
[12:32] <Hamra> bellodi: this is the official kubuntu support channel
[12:32] <chaplan> ok
[12:32] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: All I canb find is cd-rom and HDD not the mp3
[12:33] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: how can I find it?
[12:35] <cuco> hi, is there a kickoff package for 7.10?
[12:37] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: if you type "mount" it should give you a list of all mounted filesystems
[12:37] <aguitel> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L ?
[12:37] <emilsedgh> !autostart
[12:37] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: if you format you would lose the things. if you upgrade, no; you may need to reconfigure compiz-fusion and nvidia but the process has been made easier in gutsy
[12:38] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[12:38] <TimS> Okay :D
[12:38] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: I can't find the mp3 there
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> philipp_: video out? connect a device to it then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; you may also need to start the computer with a monitor or other output device connected to the video out port
[12:51] <tysonsw> #compiz-fusion
[12:54] <gordonjcp> tysonsw: don't know then, maybe a bit of googling for the model number will help
[12:55] <tysonsw> gordonjcp: model number of the mp3?
[12:55] <gordonjcp> yup
[12:58] <atlfalcons866> #gentoo
[13:01] <Hamra> !gentoo
[13:01] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[13:02] <edenbeast> does anybody know an audiorecorder app that only records when there is sound?
[13:05] <K|> Wasn't there somewhere a guide how to enable compizfusion in kubuntu?
[13:06] <K|> or was that as in "kubuntu, but using a gnome desktop"?
[13:10] <WaltzingAlong> K|: yes there are guides on how to use compiz-fusion with kde/kubuntu
[13:10] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[13:11] <K|> thanks a lot, WaltzingAlong
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> sure thing. note that the instructions will mention adding some repositories for feisty but that is not needed with gutsy.
[13:12] <K|> Well, have to install gutsy first :)
[13:13] <K|> oh, and as an advice for everyone, a 16 MB /boot is just painful for current ubuntus
[13:15] <Hamra> i gave my boot the fraction left after partitioning, that is about 300 MB, boot should be happy for the next few decades :P
[13:15] <WaltzingAlong> K|: :D thanks
[13:16] <boubbin> !kde4
[13:16] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[13:18] <boubbin> if i install kde beta packages is it going to rule over my kde3 or just install itself alonside ?
[13:19] <n1lo> boubbin: aloneside.
[13:19] <boubbin> have anyone tried kd4 beta ?
[13:20] <n1lo> but you'll need to set some variables.
[13:20] <Vir> hi, does openoffice in gutsy work for anybody?
[13:20] <n1lo> using, export.
[13:20] <Vir> here writer crashes on save and presenter saves 0B files
[13:20] <atif> hi
[13:20] <n1lo> Vir: here is normal, on gutsy.
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> boubbin: yes
[13:21] <Vir> n1lo: did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[13:21] <K|> vir: don't know, writer worked normal for me on the gutsy live/install cd
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: yes ooo writer works for me
[13:22]  * Vir tries moving .openoffice.org2
[13:23] <n1lo> Vir: update using aptitude, my current version is 2.3.0 on gutsy.
[13:23] <atif> any one here with experties about GWT + SPRING itegeration
[13:24] <Vir> still the same error with remove .openoffice.org2
[13:24] <Vir> ++d
[13:24] <WaltzingAlong> !info openoffice.org-writer
[13:24] <ubotu> openoffice.org-writer: OpenOffice.org office suite - word processor. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 6520 kB, installed size 19484 kB
[13:24] <Vir> that's what I have installed
[13:25] <atif> #google web toolkit
[13:25] <atif> #googlewebtoolkit
[13:25] <Lynoure> atif: try /join in front of that
[13:26]  * Vir removes openoffice KDE integration package
[13:26] <atif> ok
[13:27] <atif> any one here with experties about GWT + SPRING itegeration
[13:27] <Vir> after removing that package I can save again
[13:27] <Vir> but now it looks ugly
[13:27] <tysonsw_> #comiz-fusion
[13:28] <ardchoille> tysonsw_: Perhaps #ubuntu-effects me be on help
[13:28] <ardchoille> s/on/of/
[13:29] <tysonsw_> #compiz-fusion
[13:30] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: running compiz by chance?
[13:31] <Vir> WaltzingAlong: no, why?
[13:31] <trouble> any one here with experties about GWT + SPRING itegeration
[13:32] <trouble> please i need help
[13:32] <trouble> i am in serious trouble
[13:32] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: just wondering what could be causing what you are seeing; i have openoffice.org-kde   installed too
[13:32] <WaltzingAlong> trouble: #kubuntu is the support channel for kubuntu; best to look elsewhere
[13:34] <enjoi1216> too early for for me right now
[13:35] <enjoi1216> wishes i had a stacker and  a good caffiene rush right now
[13:35] <aguitel> anyone use chipset Realtek rtl8180L ?
[13:36] <enjoi1216> yeah i think that i do
[13:36] <enjoi1216> but it's all integrated
[13:36] <enjoi1216> like onto my motherboard
[13:37] <Vir> WaltzingAlong: any idea where to look or how to make a useful bug report out of this?
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: search launchpad for an existing bug report about it
[13:38] <Vir> can't find any
[13:41] <Vir> now openoffice without KDE integration seems to have the same problem :'(
[13:41]  * Vir has work to do :-(
[13:42] <Vir> "Write error. The file could not be written."
[13:42] <Vir> how about a better error message?
[13:42] <Vir> e.g. saying "why"
[13:44] <osh_> Anyone know how to "tag" bugreports to show that they affect 7.10?
[13:44] <osh_> In launchpad.net that is.
[13:45] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: perhaps start openoffice from a vterminal so you can see any other error messages
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: could be a naming issue, could be a permissions issue
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: http://www.oooforum.org/forum/viewtopic.phtml?t=34038
[13:46] <Vir> WaltzingAlong: only ASCII characters and I made sure of permissions
[13:47]  * Vir was doing a "save as"
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> Vir: on nonlocal media?
[13:47] <Vir> tried both home dir and USB stick
[13:48] <poison--> mornin guys
[13:49] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> i have a question...what does it mean if you pc is said to be running an 'open proxy'? one of the channels i use says i am and wont let me in...
[13:49] <Vir> using a different format (old star office or ms office formats) also doesn't help
[13:50] <WaltzingAlong> Wolven_Pariah_UK: should mean that your computer is running a proxy server which outsiders (others on the internet) can connect to other locations on the internet through
[13:51] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> ...uh oh...i know what proxy is but dont know why one would be running,ive not installed anything 'shadey'
[13:52] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> anyone have any advice...
[13:52]  * Vir tries to use KPresenter instead now
[13:52] <WaltzingAlong> Wolven_Pariah_UK: have you installed squid or another proxy but configured it to be open from the outside?
[13:53] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> nope,only web applications ive installed is firefox
[13:53] <softmaster> i have a problem with my nvidia 7300 gt Vga card
[13:53] <softmaster> when i enable restricted driver
[13:53] <softmaster> it works
[13:54] <softmaster> but refresh rate is wrongfully detcted
[13:54] <softmaster> makes the monitor hard to watch
[13:54] <WaltzingAlong> Wolven_Pariah_UK: could use grc's open port detector  https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 or shields up on http://www.grc.com/default.htm to see which ports are open
[13:55] <softmaster> i tried to change it
[13:55] <softmaster> but the maximum refresh rate is not correct
[13:55] <yamal> Wolven_Pariah_UK: your ip is in blacklists, see http://www.senderbase.org/senderbase_queries/detailip?search_string=<IP_ADDRESS>
[13:56] <yamal> Wolven_Pariah_UK: but if your provider gives out dynamic ips, this problem might well be someone else's
[13:56] <softmaster> it reads 64 hz as the maximum rate
[13:56] <softmaster> while my maximum is 85 hz
[13:56] <softmaster> i am using gutsy final release by the way
[13:56] <kuja> Hi.. I installed Kubuntu (Feisty) a couple weeks ago, and I would like to upgrade to Gutsy.  What is the recommeded way besides reinstalling from the Gutsy CD?
[13:57] <softmaster> any help?
[13:57] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to reconfigure the server. the max is not based just on what the hardware can handle but what the software (driver/kernel module) can do too;
[13:57] <WaltzingAlong> kuja:
[13:57] <WaltzingAlong> upgrading kubuntu? from feisty (7.04) be sure software-properties-kde is installed (sudo aptitude install software-properties-kde) then follow the upgrade instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[13:57] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> it said all the ports are closed except 1 which is a 'stealth'
[13:57] <WaltzingAlong> Wolven_Pariah_UK: check the comment by yamal
[13:57] <kuja> WaltzingAlong: Thank you.
[13:58] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: thanks i will give it a try
[13:58] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: pastebin the output from xrandr
[13:58] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> i missed that post..
[13:58] <softmaster> what is xrander
[13:58] <softmaster> ?
[13:59] <tony__> Does anyone know of a good program to mount ISO images?
[13:59] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> anyone know if tiscalli does give out dynamic ips?
[13:59] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: how?
[13:59] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin | softmaster
[13:59] <ubotu> softmaster: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[14:00] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: no i dont mean pastbin
[14:00] <ardchoille> softmaster:  xrandr - X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility
[14:00] <softmaster> i mean xrander
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> tony__: mount does that; mount -t iso9660 -o ro file.org /mnt/iso
[14:00] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: open konsole, type xrandr, press enter
[14:00] <ardchoille> softmaster: There is no xrander, it's xrandr
[14:01] <softmaster> sorry :)
[14:01] <ardchoille> softmaster: apt-cache search --names-only xrandr
[14:01] <softmaster> ok i will do it
[14:01] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> your ip changes each you connect doesnt it?
[14:02] <zorg_the_false> q. what is the kernel version of gutsy ?
[14:02] <WaltzingAlong> zorg_the_false: 2.6.22
[14:02] <zorg_the_false> WaltzingAlong: ok thanks
[14:02] <WaltzingAlong> -14 with ubuntu's numbering
[14:02] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: http://pastebin.com/d260969dd
[14:03] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> this is strange...accroding to a site my ip is located miles from where i live...
[14:04] <WaltzingAlong> Wolven_Pariah_UK: because the isp which releases that address is some distance away?
[14:05] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> i dont know,it should change when i reconnect though?
[14:05] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: according to that, you are using 1024x768 now at 64Hz refresh. also, seems that is the highest with this driver at this resolution
[14:05] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: what is ghest?
[14:06] <yamal> Wolven_Pariah_UK: it could change. no garantee though
[14:06] <yamal> Wolven_Pariah_UK: sometimes, even with dynamic ip, there's a "cool off" period of a few hours; when reconnecting within this time, you get the same old one.
[14:06] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> hmm...brb
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: ghest?
[14:07] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: my favourite refresh rate at 1024x768 is 85hz
[14:07] <softmaster> sorry WaltzingAlong
[14:07] <softmaster> my monitor is not appearing correctly
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: i do not know how you can set it to that with this driver
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> perhaps fixres has a tip
[14:08] <softmaster> i think u typed highest
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> !fixres | softmaster
[14:08] <ubotu> softmaster: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[14:08] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: right, highest
[14:08] <softmaster> ubotu ok i will try
[14:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ok i will try - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:09] <yamal> Wolven_Pariah_UK: 100% dynamic ;)
[14:09] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> yay that worked, (for a while i was scared id been hacked),thanks for help everyone
[14:10] <dvektor> hallo an alle!
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> gruesse
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> !de
[14:10] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:11] <dvektor> kann mir jemand helfen? ich habe problem mit dem Drucker
[14:11] <dvektor> mein Lexmark X75 funktioniert einfach nicht unter ubuntu
[14:12] <WaltzingAlong> !de | dvektor
[14:12] <ubotu> dvektor: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:13] <WaltzingAlong> dvektor: versuch http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-X75
[14:14] <[ifroog]> !compiz
[14:14] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[14:14] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong :it worked partially after restart
[14:14] <softmaster> thanks
[14:14] <softmaster> ubotu : thnks for ur effort
[14:14] <WaltzingAlong> partially?
[14:15] <softmaster> yes
[14:15] <softmaster> the refresh rate has been changed to 72 hz
[14:15] <softmaster> while mine is 85 hz
[14:16] <WaltzingAlong> but the resolution has changed too? how did you have it at 85?
[14:16] <softmaster> no i mean on windows
[14:16] <softmaster> my resolution is 1024*768 at 85 hz
[14:17] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: right so the driver you are using now does not support 85Hz refresh with 1024x768
[14:17] <softmaster> this is my monitor best configuration
[14:17] <WaltzingAlong> dvektor: guckmal http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=340735
[14:17] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong: yes
[14:17] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: so using the driver you have now you cannot set it to 1024x768x85
[14:18] <dvektor> danke ich schaue mal
[14:18] <softmaster> yes
[14:18] <softmaster> the maximum rate is 72
[14:18] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: which driver are you using anyway?
[14:19] <dvektor> da ist aber alles verdammt auf englisch den ich so wenig verstehe :-((((