[01:00] <volty> hi, accented characters (french) in file names drive me crazy and I can't remember how I solved this in my previous installation, at least hints pls
[01:00] <volty> (they show up as question marks on black background - whether in konq or in konsole)
[01:19] <LordCrc> hi, is there some knobs i can tweak to make strigi work harder?
[01:20] <LordCrc> it's hardly using any cpu and seems to be taking it's own sweet time indexing
[02:54] <shane2peru> wow, pidgin just started eating 100% cpu??? that is odd.
[02:54] <shane2peru> any thoughts?
[02:59] <LordCrc> bug?
[03:00] <LordCrc> now, strigi, is it supposed to work, or just take cpu time and disk space? :)
[03:29] <valorie> LordCrc: right-click on the strigi symbol > Configure file indexing
[03:30] <valorie> yes, it's supposed to index your files' metadata
[03:30] <LordCrc> ok, so what can i use to search file contents?
[03:30] <LordCrc> thats what id like
[03:32] <LordCrc> i thought this was strigi's work, but it's not working at all for me, so :/
[03:32] <LordCrc> it should work in dolphin right? click on find, toggle "contents" and off you go?
[03:33] <LordCrc> actually, it's kinda working
[03:33] <LordCrc> seems its not indexing all files
[03:33] <LordCrc> that's a bummer, and i only see ways to exclude files, not include
[03:34] <LordCrc> that kinda makes the whole thing kinda pointless for me
[03:34] <LordCrc> :(
[03:37] <valorie> !strigi
[03:37] <valorie> huh
[03:37] <valorie> I didn't know very much of that at all
[03:37] <valorie> so I guess what I would say is that strigi is a work in progress
[03:41] <LordCrc> ok, if i disable strigi, will dolphin do "brute force" search in file contents?
[03:41] <LordCrc> ie actually find the stuff
[03:44] <LordCrc> there's so much i'd like to like in kubuntu... but it's not always that easy ;)
[03:48] <LordCrc> ah yes it did
[03:48] <LordCrc> well thats a nice workaround then
[03:48] <LordCrc> slower than i'd like but
[03:48] <LordCrc> at least it finds the correct files....
[03:51] <LordCrc> thanks though :)
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[04:37] <john192> can i have a link to the bug on launchpad for KDE 4.7.1
[04:38] <john192> i was going to subscribe to it but i can't seem to find the one coresponding to backports
[04:40] <john192> bulldog98_: perhaps you know of where i might find it
[04:42] <tsimpson> what bug?
[04:43] <john192> i would have thought there was a progress one
[04:43] <john192> i know they'll be done when they're done but yeah
[04:43] <tsimpson> well I see 4.7.1 in Oneiric already
[04:46] <john192> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118175.0 ah this kind of answers my qustion
[04:56] <LordCrc> since when should a pesky build failure stop a release?!
[05:17] <SubCoolEnt> ok- i need help, someone have a guide on howto setup vnc? these ubuntu guides are crashing
[05:34] <SubCoolEnt> anyone? please?
[05:36] <well_laid_lawn> !vnc
[08:16] <zvin> test
[08:21] <mkquist> zvin: test back
[08:21] <zvin> - -哦
[08:34] <szal> !cn | zvin
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[10:12] <kbroulik> will the email notifier in kubuntu be patched to accomodate the newest changings in systemtray behavior, i. e. it autorides whenever possible?
[10:18] <szal> autorides?
[10:18] <kbroulik> autohides, sorry
[10:19] <kbroulik> I have all my system tray icons set to automatic, the only icons that reside there atm are the volume control (always there), apper (new updates) and … the message indicator
[10:19] <kbroulik> I think with 4.8 it should autohide if there is no new message instead of autohiding only if there is no application running (which is always the case her, either kmail (which is not shown anymore o.O) or quassel or kopete)
[10:20]  * szal doubts that any 4.8 stuff will be backported to 4.6
[10:21] <kbroulik> I'm not talkinga bout backports ;) I mean when 4.8 then arrives
[10:21] <kbroulik> on Oneiric+1 or Oneiric backports
[10:21] <szal> give that another 5 months, that's pure speculation atm
[10:23]  * szal should upgrade to 4.7.1
[10:29] <DaemonFC> more stuff to set back to the way KDE defaults to?
[10:29] <DaemonFC> super :)
[10:29] <DaemonFC> my time is worthless
[10:29] <DaemonFC> more indicators please! :D
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[11:58] <chirag_d_gr8> due to power save in wlan0, i am unable to get high speed wifi connection when not connected to ac power. how to get it working without power source?
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[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:26] <Guest7164> i have accedently deleted a ext4 partition, is there a application to recover the deleted partition
[13:52] <hippo> hello it seems like after i installed kubuntu i lost an hour of battery life it used to say 3 with windows now its only 2 is this normal if not is there way to get my battery to last longer
[14:02] <hippo> hello it seems like after i installed kubuntu i lost an hour of battery life it used to say 3 with windows now its only 2 is this normal if not is there way to get my battery to last longer
[14:06] <noaXess> hey
[14:07] <noaXess> what to restart if up key doesn0t work? instead of complete reboot?
[14:07] <noaXess> left/right, down are working, just up key not :(
[14:08] <well_laid_lawn> thats weird noaXess try restarting X
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hippo, kmenu>apps>settings>system settings>power management
[14:09] <noaXess> well_laid_lawn: i won't restart X.. then i need close and save all my work.. and i have about 20 apps open..
[14:09] <noaXess> i just restart if i really must ;).. but maybe there is another trick
[14:10] <well_laid_lawn> that's no good - you're sure there's nothing caught under the key
[14:10] <well_laid_lawn> funny that it's just the one key
[14:10] <well_laid_lawn> not funny haha type funny tho
[14:12] <hippo> and is there a fix for when i put my comp into suspend were it wont freeze a blank screen i have an asus k52f
[14:14] <noaXess> well_laid_lawn: well.. it's funny.. i had it before... hm... and a restart wa a solution..
[14:15] <well_laid_lawn> noaXess: try   xev   in a terminal and see if the key responds
[16:19] <KingSphinx> I found time to do a clean reinstall of Ubuntu this morning, and went with Kubuntu 64-bit. So far, it seems everything works wonderfully... everything, that is, except sound in Flash (I installed it through the sevencomputers PPA). Anyone know how to get sound working in 64-bit Flash?
[16:20] <KingSphinx> If it helps, I have sound routed through my Logitech USB headset, and I can hear everything else just fine, just no sound in Flash.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> KingSphinx, the sevenmachines 64 bit flash ppa is no longer the the best methos ..afaik the the repos now contain the latest flash . just install from your package manager or with sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer in the terminal
[16:52] <BluesKaj> KingSphinx, I just discovered this 2 days ago ... nothing to be concerned about
[16:53] <winut> hi guys. can you install 2 phonon backend together or do they conflict? thanks
[16:54] <winut> my dad installed the phonon vlc backend and when he selected it in amarok, it crashed straight away. using 10.10 kubuntu
[16:54] <winut> he still has the gstreamer in there also
[16:55] <winut> it crashed with an alsa error from terminal launch
[16:56] <winut> he has an emu 0404 pci card
[17:01] <winut> any ideas? i know you lot like you av :-)
[17:02] <James147> winut: phonon backends should not conflict.. and you can select an order of prefence to use in phonons settings (in system settings)
[17:02] <winut> any ideas why it might crash then (vlc backend) ?
[17:02] <winut> thx btw
[17:03] <BluesKaj> winut, you choose the backend in phonon backend tab with prefer or defer
[17:03] <James147> winut: not sure.. though I would check phonon to see which you are actually using
[17:03] <BluesKaj> and don't forget to choose apply :)
[17:03] <winut> maybe this need to be set in system setting as default before it can take precedence
[17:03] <winut> ?
[17:04] <winut> ill get my dad to check this later on, thanks
[17:04] <KingSphinx> Nope, tried the regular Flash plugin provided by the repos, didn't work.
[17:05] <BluesKaj> winut, yes system settings>multimedia>phonon backend
[17:05] <winut> i user the ppa on 64bit and it works perfect :-)
[17:05] <winut> thanks BluesKaj :-)
[17:05] <BluesKaj> winut, you're on 11.10 right ?
[17:06] <winut> yeah
[17:06]  * James147 always found the flash in the repos worked fine on 64bit
[17:06] <James147> ^^ though sometimes reinstalling it is needed
[17:07] <winut> so you don't need that then now for flash on 64bit with this version?
[17:07] <James147> (apt-get install --reinstall ...)
[17:07] <winut> seems a bit odd :-)
[17:07] <BluesKaj> I lost the ppa in 11.10 , it got stripped in an update/upgrade and gpg error came up when I tried to reinstall the sevenmachines 64bit flash , so i installed from the repos ...it works fine now
[17:08] <KingSphinx> So the regular Flash plugin in the repos would've worked fine? Man... when I tried it after uninstalling the SevenComputers version, Firefox was telling me I needed to install Flash.
[17:09] <BluesKaj> KingSphinx, you have to delete the sevenmachines ppa and update then install from the repos
[17:10] <lich> hi
[17:10] <KingSphinx> Does Kubuntu come with a tool for managing PPAs or do I still have to edit sources.list to do stuff like removing a PPA?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> KingSphinx, /etc/apt/sources.list.d , open it with dolphin in the run command box
[17:12] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 , kdesudo dolphin  /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:14] <winut> BLueskaj: i got around the gpg error by removing the apt entries afterwards then closing and re opening repositories to add the ppa in again then it worked
[17:14] <winut> using synaptic
[17:15] <winut> This seemed to happen on all ppas i added
[17:15] <BluesKaj> yes adding to the repos in package managers works as well , removing them the same way worl=ks too if they're listed
[17:16] <winut> i'm glad you mentioned the gpg error tho, any idea if that can be fixed?
[17:17] <winut> seems to happen on all ppa's when you add them to synaptic, the ppa gpg doesn't take unless you do that workaround i described
[17:18] <BluesKaj> yes winut the ppa has to be removed , you won't need it after the app is installed anyway ...ppas are temporary fixes til the actual developed apps are ready for primetime  and the official repos
[17:19] <winut> i use them all the time and they worked fine in ubuntu, this is a bug :-)
[17:19] <winut> like i say, ppas will work if you do that workaround, not talking about flash here
[17:20] <winut> even the one you had problems with would work as well
[17:20] <BluesKaj> I'm pretty sure mine got stripped out during an update
[17:20] <winut> not that you need it in this instance
[17:20] <winut> yeah, it gets greyed out
[17:20] <winut> or deselected
[17:20] <BluesKaj> it wasn't even listed in synaptic or the sources.list.d
[17:21] <winut> you should see it in synaptic
[17:21] <BluesKaj> nope wasn't there
[17:21] <winut> ok, well we were using ubuntu before
[17:21] <winut> and just wiped / and installed kubuntu
[17:22] <winut> best way :-)
[17:23] <winut> kubuntu 10.10 is 100% more stable than ubuntu 10.10, but this maybe more down to ubuntu using a different nvidia driver?
[17:24] <winut> so anyone else hear using 10.10? apart from BluesKaj ?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> winut, no the gnome desktop /unity and other gnomes have problems
[17:25] <BluesKaj> 11.10 here not 10.10
[17:26] <winut> sorry, my bad! meant 11.10. BluesKaj, can you try another ppa just to see if you can add one ok? thanks
[17:26] <winut> you might be able to confirm this bug for me
[17:27] <BluesKaj> winut, what bug ?
[17:27] <winut> the ppa gpg bug
[17:27] <winut> in synaptic
[17:28] <winut> i was trying to explains, affects all ppa adding
[17:30] <winut> i don't just use ppa's for temporary fixes, but software too, like nightly firefox and lmms, moblock etc
[17:30] <OerHeks> winut, which ppa ? maybe it is not available for 11.10 yet
[17:31] <winut> ok, let me find one for you to try, trust my, it affects all of them
[17:31] <winut> ok, how about this for a test -> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[17:31] <OerHeks> i can imagine, if you run the beta, not all ppa's are up to date.
[17:32] <winut> even it it says oneiric?
[17:33] <OerHeks> when i select oneiric, it says newer version available.
[17:33] <winut> ok, so it worked ok?
[17:34] <winut> no gpg errors adding that to your sources after refresh?
[17:34] <winut> i add them in repositiories in synaptic
[17:35] <winut> i tried muon but it almost killed my install
[17:36] <winut> see, they do have the right ppa for 11.10 -> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash
[17:36] <winut> so you shouldn't get any errors
[17:37] <OerHeks> hard to say what is wrong, dit you try ask in #Ubuntu+1 , that channel is for oneiric support.
[17:37] <winut> :-)
[17:38] <winut> sure, i'm in there now
[17:40] <mokush> any idea how I could update a plasmoid I installed from source?
[17:40] <winut> all of them :-)
[17:41] <winut> sorry, i scrolled up a bit accidentally! lol
[17:43] <OerHeks> mokush, if you build yourself, you need to download & build updates yourself too.
[17:43] <mokush> OerHeks: so I should just download the new source and recompile, re-install? and it will install over the old one, therefore update?
[17:44] <OerHeks> mokush, yes and yes
[17:44] <mokush> OerHeks: sounds good, thanks!
[17:44] <mokush> another question, does anybody keep an up2date package of http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Icon+Tasks?content=144808 in some ppa?
[17:47] <OerHeks> mokush, i run kde 4.7.1 from backports
[17:52] <GordonGR> Hallo! I installed Kubuntu 11.04 yesterday but I have no sound. I tried calling a module as this HOWTO https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto suggests, but it didn't work. Any help please?
[17:59] <mokush> OerHeks: I'm also running 4.7,  but icon-tasks is not included with it.
[17:59] <KingSphinx> Alright, got sound in Flash working, as well as my mic in Skype :D
[18:01] <KingSphinx> 64-bit really is no harder to install/use than 32-bit...
[18:01] <asfyxia> GordonGR, if you click on the speaker icon on your panel, you'll see a 'mixer' below. If you click on that, check if the PCM (in the middle) shuffle is below (that's standard). If you shuffle that to the top, do you have sound then?
[18:02] <GordonGR> Did already. Volume is fine, both in kmix and alsamixer.
[18:02] <GordonGR> speaker is plugged in as well :)
[18:03] <GordonGR> nikos@russell:~$ cat /proc/asound/card0/codec* | grep Codec
[18:03] <GordonGR> Codec: VIA VT1708S
[18:03] <asfyxia> Ok, just checking ;-)
[18:04] <GordonGR> and according to /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/ALSA-Configuration.txt.gz , my card should correspond to auto BIOS setup (default)
[18:07] <GordonGR> so I did what the guide said, called modprobe with the appropriate command, rebooted but didn't work
[18:16] <GordonGR> Hallo! I installed Kubuntu 11.04 yesterday but I have no sound. I tried calling a module as this HOWTO https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto suggests, but it didn't work. Any help please?
[18:16] <transformers> try mixer ?
[18:17] <GordonGR> volume is fine. It's the modules I need help with.
[18:19] <winut> do you need firmware?
[18:20] <GordonGR> I don't think so. It's just an Intel onboard.
[18:20] <winut> what version of asla you got?
[18:20] <winut> alsa, sorry
[18:22] <winut> check las tpost here -> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/164708
[18:30] <GordonGR> thanks, winut
[18:30] <winut> no problem, did it help? thanks
[18:30] <transformers> Hey my sound is work but never work volume control weel on notebook
[18:30] <transformers> in 11.04 Kubuntu
[18:31] <GordonGR> I'll tell you in a moment, winut
[18:31] <winut> maybe thats a kernel setup thing?
[18:31] <winut> :-) hopefully
[18:34] <winut> transformers: what laptop?
[18:34] <GordonGR> winut:  I'm waiting for a response in freenode #ubuntu, I'll try your thought in a while. It seems it'll work though, my card is the same.
[18:34] <winut> yeah, and its a recent post :-)
[18:35] <transformers> toshiba a 200 23k it`s strange in UBUNTU all is worked
[18:36] <winut> GordonGR: i'm trying to get help in alsa atm for something else :-)
[18:36] <winut> ok, ill have a look into it :-)
[18:36] <GordonGR> Hehe, cool. The card worked on Debian before, so it should work on natty too! :)
[18:37] <winut> nattys old man :-)
[18:37] <winut> but safer!
[18:37] <winut> anyone here use evolution mail on kubuntu?
[18:38] <GordonGR> not any more!
[18:38] <winut> my dad wanted to try kmail but he already updated his mail to a later version, so no import support for that
[18:38] <winut> but he is on 11.10
[18:39] <winut> he will have to wait for kmail to update this
[18:39] <GordonGR> Ah, he just needs to copy his mbox to some location
[18:39] <winut> but it changed in the last version
[18:39] <GordonGR> of what? evolution?
[18:40] <winut> now its v3 http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/evolution
[18:40] <winut> yeah
[18:40] <GordonGR> Ah, I see... sorry, no idea
[18:40] <winut> np, i'll ask on +1
[18:45] <transformers> toshiba a 200 23 k
[18:52] <bkovacs> Kubuntu 11.4 is 735MB out of 7985MB to much memory usage?
[18:53] <GordonGR> Gotta go for dinner, I'll try it later winut. Thanks!
[18:53] <winut> no prpblem, enjoy your grub :-)
[18:53] <ryan_> bkovacs, what are u running?
[18:54] <bkovacs> Just installed Kubuntu 11.04 yesterday and upgraded KDE to 4.6.5. Added a few apps, like GIMP, Chrome, Thunderbird, KDE Games, that's about all.
[18:55] <ryan_> ohh..  u upgraded the desk top eh?
[18:55] <bkovacs> Yeah according to the Kubuntu website. Just added the ppa
[18:56] <ryan_> normal charge is maybe .3 to .4 g memory, but when u start adding shells on top of shells the memory usage will go up
[18:57] <bkovacs> What should I do. I have 8GB RAM
[18:58] <ryan_> if u have 8 gig...  don't do anything
[18:58] <bkovacs> OK Thanks
[18:59] <ryan_> windows 7 at idol with out any thing running uses 1.13 gig  to run the desk top
[18:59] <ryan_> I usually leave the desk top upgrades to the updates and upgrades though!!  then ur charge will run normal
[19:04] <N9NU> can someone take a look at my pastebin info. I am having a slight problem with the GRUB GUI option within my menu.1st file. It doesn't show up....I get the text version only.  The GUI modes does kick in after the selection however
[19:05] <N9NU> http://pastebin.mandriva.com/24054
[19:05] <N9NU> i am using 11.10
[19:06] <Pici> N9NU : Oneiric/11.10 is not yet released. Please join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion.
[19:07] <N9NU> oh. sri
[19:07] <winut> what is kde's version of compiz called? thanks
[19:08] <OerHeks> winut i think compiz.
[19:09] <winut> so it compiz a good tech?
[19:09] <winut> i read this today, quite interesting but surely outdated -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=2
[19:10] <winut> shows some of kde's weaknesses, but you cant have it all as they say :-)
[19:11] <pedahzur> I'm using KMail 1.13.6.  Under "Options" in the compose window, "Automatic spell checking" is checked. However, when I misspell words, not underline appears under them.  The misspelled words *are* caught if I do a manual spell check (Tools -> Spelling...)  Ideas?
[19:11] <winut> actually, this is the first page -> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
[19:12] <OerHeks> winut, that is old, there are other issues with the 3.1 kernel > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_31_power_regress&num=1
[19:14] <winut> omg! thats really bad OerHeks
[19:14] <winut> 80% power increase :-)
[19:14] <OerHeks> well, i guess because it is so big, it should be easy to find.
[19:15] <OerHeks> but this should be talked about in offtopic
[19:15] <winut> ok, sure :-)
[19:28] <OerHeks> pedahzur, i can't find any other setting too, Kmail
[19:53] <winut> OerHeks: do you know a split screen irc client? with replay on load feature? thanks
[19:55] <Orcris> Hi.
[19:56] <pedahzur> Orcris: hello
[20:06] <t0ken_> no puedo ver mi estado de la bateria alguien puede ayudarme?
[20:07] <U238Willy> !es
[20:18] <ucciga> Salve a tutti
[20:19] <BarkingFish> Buonasera, ucciga :)
[20:19] <ucciga> Buonasera a Te BarkingFish
[20:20] <BarkingFish> hai bisogno di aiuto?
[20:21] <ucciga> beh sto cercando di orientarmi
[20:25] <ucciga> Ciao Barkin Fish devo scappare, ci si rivede
[21:12] <ric> r
[21:49] <markit> I've a plasmoid "folder view" that shows files in my desktop folder. But I can also drag a icon from K menu in the "desktop" outside it. Where will be put? Is not in desktop folder
[21:49] <markit> so seems that the "desktop" is not related with "desktop folder", or am I missing something? (kde 4.7 kubuntu 11.04)
[21:50] <pedahzur> If you drag something into the "Desktop" folder view, it should end up in ~/Desktop
[21:51] <pedahzur> If you drag something into the "Desktop" folder view, it should end up in ~/DesktopSorry, markit:
[21:51] <pedahzur> whoops...not my day.
[21:51] <pedahzur> markit: If you drag something into the "Desktop" folder view, it should end up in ~/Desktop
[21:52] <sea4ever> Hey all!
[21:52] <markit> pedahzur: have you tried?
[21:52] <markit> pedahzur: is not what I've asked
[21:52] <markit> pedahzur: if you drag on the desktop, but OUTSIDE desktop folder view, where does it end up?
[21:53] <markit> it does not go in ~/Desktop, that makes no sense to me
[21:53] <pedahzur> markit: Ah, outside the folder view...didn't catch the verbiage.
[21:53] <markit> np
[21:54] <pedahzur> markit: Looks like it goes in a config file somewhere. For me, it becomes a little plasmoid object (gives me the X, config, etc. when I hover over it.)
[21:54] <markit> pedahzur: yes, but really breaks the "Desktop mental association"
[21:55] <markit> people in M$ os are used to drop icons on the desktop, and they find them in Desktop folder
[21:55] <markit> here we have a useless desktop folder and desktop view
[21:55] <pedahzur> markit: Kind of...you have to keep in mind that the "Desktop" in KDE 4 is no longer ~/Desktop
[21:55] <markit> I'm confused... I don't love M$ usage, but I do love logical and easy to grasp aproach, this is not
[21:56] <pedahzur> The Desktop folder view is kind of a hold-over. I don't *think* you'll have ~/Desktop in a new KDE4 install.  it's a hold-over, I believe.
[21:56] <markit> if you run a live cd of Kubuntu 11.04, you have a ~/Desktop
[21:57] <pedahzur> Hmm...
[21:57] <markit> and also has a different icon in dolphin than normal folders (and I don't understand why)
[21:57] <pedahzur> Here's what I found in ~/.kde: share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc:Url=file:///usr/share/applications/gimp.desktop
[21:57] <markit> so you have a "special" Desktop folder, that is not realted with real desktop
[21:58] <markit> pedahzur: so as you suspected is a plasmoid... isn't so confusing?
[21:59] <pedahzur> markit: A little, yeah.
[22:00] <sea4ever> I'm interested in contacting Canonical, any ideas?
[22:02] <pedahzur> sea4ever: http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/contact
[22:02] <sea4ever> Thanks
[22:03] <markit> btw, I had the experience that the "Search and lunch" activity does not show the plasma-desktop used usually by netbooks, but the normal one... any idea?
[22:03] <pedahzur> markit: Search and lunch? Never heard of that. ;)
[22:03] <markit> hehehe, I've to improve my english
[22:03] <markit> or I'm too hungry now so...
[22:05] <pedahzur> markit: Oh, 'launch'? :)
[22:05] <pedahzur> Are you talking about the filter on the start menu, or the Alt-F2 launcher?
[22:06] <markit> in kde 4.7 you have a icon near K menu, or in any case with upper right "don't remember it's name" you can run the activity chooser
[22:06] <markit> then you use the "search and launch"
[22:09] <pedahzur> markit: Not familiar with that...or at least not by that name.
[22:11] <BarkingFish> are others here running 4.4.7 without issue?
[22:11] <BarkingFish> I have the updates waiting, but I've not added them yet.
[22:11] <markit> BarkingFish: 4.7? or really 4.4.7?
[22:12] <BarkingFish> sorry
[22:12] <BarkingFish> 4:4.7.0
[22:13] <markit> I'm running 4.7 in kubuntu 11.04 and seem to work pretty well
[22:13] <BarkingFish> it doesn't bork anything up?
[22:13] <markit> I've installed in my netbook, laptop, 2 LTSP servers at school and a pair of other spare computers
[22:14] <Kimlaroux> Google ain't helping:  Anyone knows how to separately configure two mice in kde/X?
[22:14] <markit> but I've not tested everything in every condition
[22:14] <markit> BarkingFish: my feeling is that works well
[22:14] <BarkingFish> markit, I'll take your word for it, and get these 118 updates on
[22:15] <markit> BarkingFish: hope update process will work flawlessy :)
[22:15] <BarkingFish> so do I :)
[22:15] <markit> and hope you have another PC to connect to internet for help, just in case
[22:16] <BarkingFish> Not right now I don't.  My laptop is with a friend of mine who needs to have net connection while his laptop is in for repair
[22:52] <markit> BarkingFish: did it worked?
[22:52] <BarkingFish> yep
[22:52] <markit> so good :) enjoy 4.7
[22:52] <BarkingFish> it's faster than I imagined.  Upgrades usually slow stuff down where I migrated from.
[22:52] <markit> sleep time, see you :)
[22:52] <BarkingFish> I was connected to the net about 8 seconds *before* my desktop loaded
[22:53] <BarkingFish> bbfn markit
[22:58] <fluke_> hello
[22:58] <fluke_> may i ask a question?
[22:59] <fluke_> seem to have an issue with a xserver setting in setting up my duel screens
[23:00] <fluke_> does anyone have the genral idea of how to set it up correctly im using a nvida gtx 580
[23:00] <fluke_> both monitors are the same resolution and same model the issue is I can'tdrag one window unto the other
[23:02] <pedahzur> fluke_: Are the monitors mirroring each other? Or is your desktop truly two screens wide?
[23:02] <fluke_> it not mirroring as of now
[23:02] <fluke_> and i can drag my mouse to the other monitor but not drag a screen
[23:03] <pedahzur> fluke_: Seeing as your are in #kubuntu, I assume you're running KDE? What version?
[23:03] <fluke_> 11.04
[23:04] <pedahzur> if you go into System Settings -> Display and Monitor what does it say?
[23:05] <fluke_> only shows one monitor
[23:05] <pedahzur> What is the resolution on that monitor?
[23:06] <fluke_> 1920x1080
[23:06] <fluke_> is there a remote control option i could do with u
[23:07] <fluke_> so u could guide me and have a better view
[23:07] <pedahzur> Hmm...it sounds like it is seeing both monitors as one: but you say you can move your mouse from one screen to the other?
[23:07] <fluke_> i dont want you to do it i need to know if i did something wrong
[23:07] <fluke_> yes
[23:07] <pedahzur> fluke_: No, there is no easy remote control option.
[23:07] <fluke_> teamviewer
[23:07] <fluke_> ?
[23:09] <pedahzur> fluke_: Interesting...never heard of it.
[23:09] <fluke_> yea i use it to trouble shoot my windows pc's
[23:11] <pedahzur> fluke_: That might help, but won't let me see the whole issue, as it sounds like the monitor config thinks you have one screen.
[23:12] <pedahzur> fluke_: Ok, I have teamviewer up.  Let's give it a try.


[03:02] <ubuntuWi-Guest> h00k: This is a test.
[03:02] <h00k> ubuntuWi-Guest: Well, hello!
[14:37] <sgtd> DavidLevin: welcome
[14:38] <DavidLevin> sgtd, thank you good to meet you
[14:38] <sgtd> :)
[19:46] <douglasawh-work> does anyone happen to know anything about he wonders of IE?
[19:47] <douglasawh-work> I've been tasked with giving a more "fair and balanced" view of browsing
[19:47] <douglasawh-work> i.e., admitting that IE exists
[19:52] <sgtd> view?
[19:52] <sgtd> who are you giving this view to and what does that mean?
[19:53] <sgtd> i support IE6-8 with regard to our web app
[19:53] <sgtd> douglasawh-work: ^
[19:54] <sgtd> though our app does not leverage any activex or the like


[00:10] <bazhang> is apt-fast recommended for slow downloads?
[00:27] <bazhang> * [famicube64] (~quassel@75-121-236-186.dyn.centurytel.net): Tyler  <-- ban evading rww ?
[00:30] <bazhang> * [jadams] (~jadams@adsl-98-83-130-111.bhm.bellsouth.net): Josh Adams  <-- PM spam, but weird, as we share no channels
[01:22] <bazhang> keyctl_search: rewuired key not available ....Perhaps try the interactive 'ecryptfs-mount-private'
[01:22] <bazhang> would that error occur with a non-encrypted hdd? simply a lost user pw?
[01:27] <bazhang> and PM spam from ray24. yay
  if someone has a clue about his issue, please feel free. seems awfully strange for simply a lost password
[02:06] <bazhang> the whole !>user seems to be defeated when most users insist on doing the ! in channel
[02:07] <bazhang> someone typed !password in their terminal to try and fix a lost password situation
[02:27] <bazhang> we need to translate "not supported here" into all the UN official languages and have the bot pipe to users who dont get that
[02:39] <bazhang> pooltable is offering very suspect advice.
[02:39] <bazhang> step one: reinstall. but first dismantle computer and "deep clean " it
 does anyone know how to install run a .bat file    <--- for windows I thought
[03:19] <Flannel> bazhang: could be wine
[03:23] <bazhang> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/nfs-server-and-client-configuration-in-ubuntu.html could be Flannel , but he was just asking about this prior, which has no mention of .bat files
[03:36] <rww> bazhang: yeah, BT# 36049
[03:37] <bazhang> rww, okay, he swore, then quit
[06:53] <rww> !u > sunshine1
[06:53] <Tm_T> hi all
[06:54] <rww> k'day Tm_T
[07:50] <bazhang> sources.list empty? that seems odd
[08:10] <jpds> Some people just hate security updates so much.
[08:10] <ikonia> ?
[08:28] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-offtopic Stockholm_Angel childish behaviour, had a bit of a strop and /parted after being asked not to use "wtf" - getting quite common behaviour
 anyone know how to run python .py in apache
[12:07] <bazhang> use perl?
[12:07] <Pici> Thats valid
[12:09] <Pici> Whats blackbuntu?
[12:09] <popey> black hat thing
[12:09] <popey> apparently
[12:09] <popey> stupid name
[12:10] <Pici> Agreed.
[12:12] <persia> If it's unliked, someone could have a trademark discussion.  Folks aren't supposed to use *buntu unless they are in the primary archive.
[12:12] <bazhang> thought it was jewbuntu
[12:12] <bazhang> err like
[12:13] <Pici> bazhang: you mean like a re-themed variant with some specific apps pre-installed?
[12:13] <bazhang> Pici, not really what I was implying, no
[12:16] <popey> fwiw http://board.blackbuntu.com/showthread.php?tid=552 details how they can get on #blackbuntu irc chat
[12:21] <bazhang> perhaps it would be better to integrate the alis factoid with the derivattive factoids, as its fairly huge now, and lists only a subset of those not supported.
[12:21] <bazhang> -t
[12:45] <bazhang> that wubi bug seems of long standing, dating back to at least 2009
[12:46] <bazhang> pinning a kernel seems odd
[13:38] <bazhang> if only prh3red would come back and tell how he removed classic had only gnome 3 session, but was still running unity, without using the gnome3 ppa
[13:38] <bazhang> ie gnome 3 from the selector
[14:16] <bazhang> the eolupgrades link has a type in it that leads to a dead end wiki page. the lucidupgrades one
[14:16] <bazhang> err typo
[14:34] <Pici> bazhang: did you update the factoid?
[14:34] <bazhang> Pici, nope, wanted to garner consensus first
 hello all, how can I run vim in perl?
[17:38] <Corey> Good morning, lovelie.
[17:38] <Corey> lovelies*
[19:49] <maco> what the crap does "honorary bug" mean?
[19:49] <maco> surfsue's getting on my nerves
[21:15] <Myrtti> os2mac: hi
[23:54] <bazhang> sudokill seems to be providing nothing of substance
[23:55] <rww> they've been an issue in the past :(


[08:26] <tseliot> doko: any news on the two MIRs? (I saw you unsubscribed the MIR team)
[08:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> hi, nobody wants to sponsor ettercap?
[08:59] <LocutusOfBorg1> bug 1382848 :(
[09:40] <Madkiss> hi folks
[09:41] <Madkiss> I'm building a pacakge for a PPA that needs dependencies from another PPA (the cloud team ppa for openstack icehouse on precise). How can I make the PPA auto builders use additional sources.list entries?
[09:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> Madkiss, "Edit PPA dependencies" on your ppa page
[09:44] <Madkiss> oih, hadn't seen that
[09:44] <Madkiss> thanks!
[09:44] <LocutusOfBorg1> you are welcome ;)
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> I think I am seeing a regression in LightDM. Anyone here who I can quickly discuss that with? Maybe due to the recent fixed to address a double free in 1.12.
[10:03] <Madkiss> LocutusOfBorg1: Okay. And how do I add external dependencies to other repos? the ubuntu cloud archive stuff isn't a PPA obviously
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> I don't get the question, but I think the answer is "you can't"
[10:05] <Madkiss> I need to do " sudo add-apt-repository cloud-archive:icehouse" for the PPA.
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> add ppa dependency
[10:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> you select "choose"
[10:07] <LocutusOfBorg1> oh, indeed, then I don't think you can do it
[10:07] <Madkiss> oh boy.
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> maybe you can with ubuntu-cloud-archive/icehouse-staging
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> you can with it, but I don't know if it is the same
[10:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> maybe try to ask on #launchpad
[10:09] <Madkiss> yeah, that could work
[13:39] <arges> doko: hi. i'm testing ubuntu-toolchain-r. are there cross-compiler builds as well somewhere?
[13:39] <doko> arges, sorry, not yet
[13:40] <arges> doko: ok
[13:40] <doko> arges, can you point me to a package which I could upload to a ppa? or maybe do it yourself?
[13:41] <arges> doko: what needs to be uploaded? i was really just trying to test the ubuntu-toolchain-r with kernel compiles, and i wanted to test multiple arch builds. I could just try to find real hardware or emulate
[13:47] <doko> arges, I assume a linux source package, of the most current kernel in trusty-updates/-security
[13:52] <arges> doko: oh oh, you mean use a PPA and add your toolchain as a dep
[13:53] <doko> arges, yes, but if you give me the package, I can upload to the ubuntu-toolchain-r ppa too
[13:54] <tseliot> doko: what's the status of the two MIRs?
[13:54] <doko> tseliot, looking
[13:54] <tseliot> thanks
[13:57] <arges> doko: i should be able to handle it. i don't want to mess up your ppa with a kernel build
[15:48] <Hurri877> Hi I was wondering were I could get some help with git buildpackage?
[15:53] <jnxd> didrocks, I recently installed UDTC and then through it android studio. Just wanted to know in case I wanted to remove the latter, what steps are necessary?
[15:58] <Riddell> mvo: release-upgrade doesn't work when ran from a kubuntu package manager, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1383786
[15:58] <Riddell> mvo: but it's ok when ran from do-release-upgrade
[15:58] <Riddell> mvo: wibble, help
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> interesting, backportpackage seems to be not working anymore
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> bdrung, any idea?
[16:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> distro_info.DistroDataOutdated: Distribution data outdated. Please check for an update for distro-info-data. See /usr/share/doc/distro-info-data/README.Debian for details.
[16:02] <bdrung_work> LocutusOfBorg1, you need to update distro-info-data (and probably distro-info, too)
[16:02] <cjwatson> yes they're on their way
[16:02] <cjwatson> waiting to be able to sync distro-info
[16:02] <cjwatson> oh I think somebody uploaded that
[16:03] <cjwatson> yeah I just need to unblock those, doing no
[16:03] <cjwatson> w
[16:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, thanks :)
[16:04] <bdrung_work> cjwatson, we have to apply the fix for distro-info to trusty (precise is not affected)
[16:05] <cjwatson> bdrung_work: ok, if somebody uploads an SRU I'll review it
[16:09] <Riddell> mvo: oh you're at a conference?
[16:09] <mvo> Riddell: yes
[16:09] <Riddell> whyever is there a conference on release week
[16:09] <mvo> Riddell: do you need anything from me?
[16:09] <mvo> Riddell: I don't know
[16:09] <Riddell> mvo:  bug 1383786
[16:09] <stgraber> Riddell: the release sprint is at a company sprint and yeah that's pretty weird
[16:09] <Riddell> mvo: "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE" fails but works with the "-d"
[16:10] <Riddell> mvo: is that expected?
[16:11] <mvo> Riddell: hmmmm, it seems like its breaking on "startpar" which is now required
[16:11] <Riddell> what's that?
[16:11] <mvo> Riddell: I don't know
[16:11] <Riddell> :(
[16:11] <cjwatson> conference on release week> not our idea
[16:13] <mvo> Riddell: what does apt list startpar give you?
[16:14] <Riddell> Listing... Done
[16:14] <Riddell> (on trusty)
[16:14] <Riddell> mvo: ↑
[16:15] <mvo> Riddell: hmmmm
[16:16] <Riddell> mvo: I don't understand how it can be different due to the -d , I've set the dns to point to a server with utopic included in meta-release so it should be the same thing
[16:18] <rbasak> doko: python-eventlet 0.13.0-1ubuntu3 fixed bug 1371291, right?
[16:19] <mvo> Riddell: yeah, I don't see startpar at all anywhere, I wonder where it cmes from.
[16:20] <mvo> Riddell: also "  MarkInstall startpar [ amd64 ] < none -> 0.59-3ubuntu2 > ( universe/admin ) FU=1" <- its in universe and required? very confusing
[16:20] <arges> doko: so i am trying to test your ubuntu-toolchain-r, i setup cross-chroots with your PPA, but they seem to be failing on python installation issues (when installing deps for the kernel) this affects ppc64el and arm64 so far
[16:21] <arges> doko: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8616765/
[16:21] <Riddell> mvo: sorry I need to go out for a couple of hours, any idea you have appreciated
[16:22] <mvo> Riddell: I look into it
[16:25] <jibel> Riddell, does upgrade work with -proposed disabled?
[16:25] <jibel> Riddell, startpar is only in utopic-proposed
[16:25] <mvo> I think i know what is going on
[16:26] <doko> arges, strange ... this ppa survived a whole archive test rebuild
[16:29] <mvo> Riddell: so startpar is only available in proposed and priority is required, I uploaded a new version that lowers the priority, this should fix the upgrade
[16:31] <cjwatson> mvo: eh that's ineffective
[16:31] <cjwatson> mvo: correct fix is to get an AA to change-override :)
[16:32] <cjwatson> mvo: I'll do that after your upload builds everywhere
[16:32] <mvo> cjwatson: oh, sorry. you are right of course :) please reject and fix it there
[16:32] <cjwatson> mvo: too late
[16:32] <cjwatson> should be optional too :)
[16:32] <mvo> cjwatson: want me to do another one?
[16:32] <cjwatson> no
[16:32] <mvo> ok, thanks
[16:33] <cjwatson> actually this is weird
[16:33] <cjwatson> priority-mismatches should be whining about this
[16:33] <cjwatson> oh, we probably don't run that against -proposed
[16:33] <cjwatson> ok, I'll fix after lunch
[18:49] <xnox> pitti: do i remember correct, there was some init script or upstart job, to change the power/cpu scheduler after X seconds post-boot to improve battery life or some such.
[18:49] <xnox> pitti: do you recall something like that? and if yes, where was it?
[18:52] <pitti> xnox: it rings a bell, but I don't remember either where that happened :/
[18:52] <xnox> pitti: i vague recall you were the author of that trick.
[18:52] <xnox> unless i have it complete wrong.
[18:53]  * xnox ponders what was that package which whole bunch of default sysctl commands et.al.
[18:53] <sarnold_> procps?
[18:55] <xnox> pitti: /etc/init.d/ondemand
[18:56] <j1729> Hello guys. How are you doing ?
[18:57] <j1729> are there bugs to fix or someway I can get started with contributing as a developer ?
[18:58] <xnox> sarnold_: yes, that's the other package i thought it might be in.
[19:04] <pitti> xnox: hah, indeed; with a lovely sleep 60
[19:11] <infinity> xnox: You're thinking of /etc/init.d/ondemand from initscripts
[19:11] <infinity> xnox: Oh, pitti got there.
[19:13] <xnox> infinity: funny how it sleeps first, and only then determines if there are desired governors and then bails.
[19:13] <xnox> infinity: would be nice to bail, before going for a sleep =)
[19:13] <infinity> xnox: Meh, not that it matters much, really.
[19:17] <ogra_> xnox, iirc we needed the sleep on nexus7 back then
[19:18] <ogra_> (i dont remember why, but i guess it could go)
[19:44] <bdrung> Laney: re #1381995, why not fix distro-info in trusty?
[19:44] <Laney> I think it will be
[19:45] <Laney> But don't want to block on that
[19:45] <bdrung> it's a one line fix.
[19:45] <Laney> Does that affect the SRU aging period?
[19:46] <bdrung> no
[19:46] <Laney> Also I am (maybe) going to -security and I don't know if that fix would.
[19:46] <Laney> Soooo
[19:46] <Laney> Yeah
[19:47] <bdrung> okay, then let's keep the workaround, get distro-info fixed in a SRU and then let's see which date will be the final date
[19:56] <cjwatson> pitti: language-pack-af upload seems to have gone missing: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#language-pack-af-base
[19:56] <xnox> apw++
[19:58] <alexbligh1> I'm trying to debug an upstart problem where 14.04 does not start an upstart script that runs on udev-finish in a container in lxc. When not in a container, it works. pstree doesn't show anything unexpected running. Any ideas where to start? The confusing thing is that this used to work ...
[20:02] <zbenjamin> slangasek: thanks for helping with the gnueabi vs gnueabihf. I have a working qmake now :)
[20:03] <xnox> alexbligh1: increase upstart verbosity, and see if the desired events are emitted.
[20:03] <xnox> alexbligh1: also test if the job is valid.
[20:03] <alexbligh1> xnox, if I start the job manually, all is well
[20:03] <xnox> alexbligh1: sudo lxc-start -n container -- /sbin/init --verbose
[20:04] <xnox> alexbligh1: in that case start-on conditions probably never fire. Oh, there is no udev nor udev-finish in containers =)
[20:04] <slangasek> zbenjamin: huzzah
[20:04] <alexbligh1> xnox, what /stops/ there being a udev in containers? I seem to remember coming across that before and disabling whatever stopped it, because I want udev in this instance
[20:04] <cjwatson> pitti: accepted, thanks
[20:04] <xnox> alexbligh1: you might want your job to start on (...) or not-container
[20:04] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, you beat me to it; sorry about that
[20:05] <pitti> (with accepting, I mean)
[20:05] <xnox> alexbligh1: sorry or container that is.
[20:05] <xnox> alexbligh1: chat with people on #lxcontainers about udev and device access....
[20:05] <cjwatson> pitti: np
[20:05] <cjwatson> I was in the queue anyway
[20:05] <xnox> alexbligh1: in general udev runs on the host's kernel and doesn't affect what happens inside the container and one cannot per-se connect/disconnect devices from a container.
[20:06] <xnox> one can choose to bind-mount / export them into the container, but that's about it.
[20:06] <alexbligh1> xnox, I'm guessing something subtle has changed between 14.04.00 and 14.04.01
[20:07] <xnox> alexbligh1: lxc gets a lot of bugfixes and new stable releases are pushed to trusty. chat on #lxcontainer they'll be able to help. And are very familiar with upstart inside the lxc containers.
[20:07] <alexbligh1> xnox, thanks. upstart + containers = confusing.
[20:09] <zyga> I have a small patch for python3.4 that memsets one structure that gets passed to a syscall, currently that struct has some uninitialized data (which is safe but makes some of my testing unreliable)
[20:11] <mapreri> pitti: :) hi! might I hope for a last-day sync of scribus? it fixes the nasty #1383407 but it's a small patch (<http://www.mapreri.org/debian/debdiffs/scribus/1.4.4+dfsg1-1_1.4.4+dfsg1-2.debdiff>) quite harmless.
[20:12] <pitti> mapreri: can I redirect you to #ubuntu-release, please? in meeting/busy/no powers any more to break the release freeze without asking
[20:12] <mapreri> pitti: fine, thanks
[20:17] <Laney> pitti: mapreri: bugfix, unseeded> still can sync
[20:18] <Laney> oh, but scribus isn't unseeded :(
[20:19] <mapreri> Laney: IIRC it's in edubuntu....
[20:20] <mapreri> Laney: I'm submitting a FFE bug... I just wanted to get rid of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus/+bug/1383407 before release...
[20:20] <alexbligh1> xnox, thanks - you led me to the solution there.
[20:26] <Laney> mapreri: No need for ffe
[20:27] <mapreri> indeed it's not feature freeze, but it's the final freeze
[20:27] <Laney> Yes, don't worry about a bug
[20:28] <mapreri> Laney: I'm new to last-day uploads, what kind of permission I need? Might I use your message above as an ack and send a green light to my sponsor?
[20:29] <Laney> I'll sync it, I just asked in #ubuntu-release if there will be new images comig anyway
[20:30] <mapreri> Laney: ok, thanks. (I saw the message, but didn't understand it :))
[20:45] <hallyn> arges: hi, the SRUs for qemu and libvirt to trusty are verified adn have baked for awhile, coudl they be promoted?  (security team has updates they want to push)
[20:46] <Laney> mapreri: it is synced
[20:50] <hallyn> infinity: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=ipxe-precise   what is the next step to getting that out of NEW?
[20:51] <infinity> hallyn: Someone needs to review it.
[20:51] <infinity> hallyn: And yeah, I can promote the others.
[20:52] <mapreri> Laney: thanks very much. will wait for acceptance now :)
[20:57] <hallyn> infinity: cool, thanks
[21:19] <arges> hallyn: i'll take a look
[21:20] <arges> hallyn: oh looks like infinity got to it already
[21:20] <arges> infinity: thanks
[21:25] <goodwill> ppetraki: ping
[21:25] <hallyn> arges: yup, thanks
[21:25] <goodwill> hallyn: maybe you can help ... what in debian installer triggers multipath-udeb install?
[21:26] <cjwatson> goodwill: disk-detect.sh in hw-detect
[21:27] <cjwatson> from a user point of view you enable it by preseeding disk-detect/multipath/enable=true
[21:27] <goodwill> cjwatson: right ... so I am trying to try out the new fixed udeb for multipath in proposed? should I install them in early_command then?
[21:29] <goodwill> cjwatson: I ran disk detect manually ... but there is not /sbin/multipath
[21:29] <ppetraki> goodwill, pong
[21:30] <goodwill> ppetraki: still fighting multipath ;) ^^^
[21:30] <cjwatson> goodwill: if it's in -proposed, usual advice is to just use apt-setup/proposed=true
[21:30] <cjwatson> goo	don't run installer components manually
[21:30] <cjwatson> (sorry, bit of lag)
[21:31] <goodwill> cjwatson: I used the standard menu prompt and installed the DM-Multiparth support, which appears to install the module drivers
[21:31] <goodwill> cjwatson: then I ran detect and that installed kpartx udeb
[21:32] <goodwill> cjwatson: so far I failed to figure out how the multipath-udeb is installed though
[21:32] <cjwatson> I told you above
[21:32] <cjwatson> preseed disk-detect/multipath/enable=true
[21:33] <cjwatson> that is, boot the installer with the additional kernel arguments   disk-detect/multipath/enable=true apt-setup/proposed=true
[21:33] <goodwill> I guess a better question is: it preseeded only and not available in the user prompts?
[21:33] <cjwatson> assuming this is netboot
[21:33] <cjwatson> as far as I can see it is preseeded only yes
[21:33] <goodwill> I see
[21:33] <goodwill> okie
[21:33] <cjwatson> (I don't know much about multipath specifically, just about the installer)
[21:33] <goodwill> that explains it
[21:33] <goodwill> cjwatson: was booting from mini iso for testing
[21:33] <cjwatson> netboot mini.iso?
[21:33] <goodwill> yeah
[21:34] <cjwatson> yes that's the same as netboot for this purpose
[21:34] <goodwill> right
[21:34] <cjwatson> apt-setup/proposed=true causes the installer to fetch components of itself from -proposed as needed
[21:34] <cjwatson> that's used for verifying SRUs
[21:34] <goodwill> cjwatson: I am sorry what does SRU stand for?
[21:34] <cjwatson> stable release updates
[21:56] <goodwill> cjwatson: is there a way to do db_set on a command line?
[22:36] <cjwatson> goodwill: debconf-set but it needs to be in the right context (don't have time to explain now); it's easier to just put that variable on the kernel command line, or use a proper preseed file if this is read late enough
[22:36] <goodwill> cjwatson: I see


[02:44] <el> quien  habla español
[02:45] <el> hay hay gente viva aqui??
[05:32] <antto> IMHO people who deal with computers should learn some basic english..
[05:32] <antto> the fact that lots of OSes and apps come with translated UIs doesn't really help
[05:33] <antto> and another funny fact, i can't.. i just can't figure my way around anything which is translated to my native language
[05:33] <antto> it's just terrible
[05:34]  * antto goes back into the shadows


[09:05] <FlowRiser> I've just downloaded a library (using sudo apt-get install liblightdm) how can i see what's in it ?


[02:21] <chocolaterobot> can we use thunar as our Samba GUI program?
[09:38] <blip-> hi, installed xubuntu 16.04 recently on laptop.  Brigthness control works, but occasionally (especially after going to standby and resuming), it doesn't anymore
[09:39] <blip-> Restarting xfce4-power-manager made no difference. any suggestions?
[11:04] <drumcode303> i'm having trouble finding file contents of .txt files with catfish. results are always 'no files found'
[11:30] <drumcode303> is it possible that catfish has problems with .txt files of different encoding?
[11:42] <drumcode303> tried gnome-search-tools, same problem.
[11:51] <drumcode303> seems to be a utf-8 and utf-16 thing
[12:08] <nim> drumcode303: yeah, Catfish only handles UTF-8. Tested just now.
[12:09] <drumcode303> i have utf-16 txt files, lots. what do i use?
[12:22] <nim> drumcode303: well, you can convert them to UTF-8 first. Let's say your UTF-16 files are in `~/utf16`, and you what to put their converted copies to `~/utf8`. Now open Terminal and run: cd ~/utf16 && for f in *; do iconv -f utf16 -t utf8 -o ~/utf8/"$f" "$f"; done
[12:23] <nim> drumcode303: the `~/utf8` directory (or whatever you chose) should exist before the command is ran.
[12:24] <nim> drumcode303: after that, you can point Catfish to that directory and search there.
[12:25] <drumcode303> ok, thanks a lot for the workaround. but is there no other tool able to search through utf-16 files?
[12:26] <nim> drumcode303: not that I know of, sorry. You're welcome.
[12:35] <nim> blip-: if you're still here, can you tell me your laptop's model name? And what graphics does it use?   Brightness keys don't work anymore (even in software).   It's an old Lenovo T420 with 2 cards. A nvidia and an intel
[13:20] <blip-> nim, Intel 2nd Generation Integrated Graphics Controller (rev89) and Nvidia Quadro NVS 4200M.  From lspci.  Note that xorg probably just using intel vga
[13:20] <blip-> *xorg/X11
[13:36] <nim> blip-: try reinserting the battery, just to check if it fixes the issue.
[13:37] <blip-> nim, ok.  i'll try now (as laptop is running on AC)
[13:41] <nim> blip-: you may try installing the newer kernel version to see if it's fixed there. For that you can install the HWE versions of kernel and X.Org Server: sudo apt-get install linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04
[13:42] <nim> blip-: but if something goes wrong, boot the older kernel which will still be there and, using the console, reinstall the older version of X.Org Server: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[13:44] <blip-> nim, ty very much:)  will test
[13:47] <nim> blip-: or you can use the safer option: write the latest Xubuntu version to a USB stick or whatever, boot to the live environment and try suspending there.
[13:49] <blip-> nim, shouldn't the hwe kernel show up under grub?  I see a couple of generic kernels only.  Latest <IP_ADDRESS>-generic and  <IP_ADDRESS>-generic(upstart)
[13:50] <blip-> i mean hwe is not in the name (unlike the apt package)
[13:51] <nim> blip-: 4.8.0 is HWE, so no problem.
[13:51] <blip-> nim, ok brightness works in login screen - stops after logging in
[13:52] <blip-> so normal kernel is better in this case
[13:53] <nim> blip-: weird… Did you install xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04 too?
[13:55] <blip-> nim, yes
[13:56] <nim> blip-: try running `xbacklight` in Terminal and show me the output.
[13:57] <nim> blip-: ah, yeah, it's not installed by default, so install it first, of course. :D
[13:57] <blip-> nim, > No outputs have backlight property
[13:58] <blip-> this is under hwe kernel and xorg
[14:00] <nim> blip-: just in case: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel-hwe-16.04
[14:02] <blip-> nim: ok it lists the version and such
[14:02] <nim> blip-: with `ii` at the beginning?
[14:02] <blip-> yes
[14:02] <blip-> the first and second lines are weird though
[14:02] <blip-> Status =Not/Inst/Conf-Files....
[14:03] <blip-> Err?=(none)/Reinst-required(Status,Err:uppercase=bad)
[14:03] <blip-> non-nonsensical at best
[14:06] <nim> blip-: good, that's okay; well, the last thing to try is Xubuntu 17.04 live image. The kernel and xserver are even newer there, so maybe you'll get more luck there.
[14:07] <blip-> nim, thanks, how do i go back to the old kernel and xorg for now ?
[14:08] <blip-> nim, sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[14:08] <blip-> and for kernel?
[14:09] <nim> blip-: not much you can do anyway, looks like the issue is ACPI-related. As the laptop is old, I guess there are no BIOS updates. But if you're not running the latest BIOS version, consider upgrading.
[14:09] <blip-> nim, yes but the old kernel the brightness worked more often (it only fails after suspend)
[14:10] <blip-> with HWE it fails after login
[14:10] <nim> blip-: just remove the HWE kernel: sudo apt-get remove linux-image-generic-hwe-16.04
[14:10] <blip-> ah
[14:10] <blip-> perfect
[14:11] <nim> blip-: yeah, I'm not talking about HWE, just about the issue in general.
[14:13] <blip-> nim, i see
[14:14] <blip-> nim, have to run.  i'll check for bios update tonight.  ty very much for the help :)
[14:14] <nim> blip-: you're welcome. Good luck.
[14:26] <nim> Damn... If someone sees blip- again, please tell him that he probably needs to install `xserver-xorg-video-all`, as `xserver-xorg` doesn't install it by default for some reason.
[15:54] <xubuntu29d> hello
[15:55] <encomjones> good day
[16:27] <sorinello> Hello guys
[16:28] <sorinello> I am hitting an annoying issue on Xubuntu, but this most surely is present on Ubuntu as well
[16:28] <sorinello> since upgrading to 17.04 I noticed that the local names are no longer resolved. Let me explain. I have a dnsmasq server on my router, with some local hostnames for some devices in my LAN
[16:29] <sorinello> on 16.10 things were OK as far as I remember
[16:29] <sorinello> on my Xubuntu, from NetworkManager, I set <IP_ADDRESS> DNS server and nameserver
[16:29] <sorinello> but when I look in restolv.conf, I don't have this, instead I have nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> which resolved internet names, but does NOT resolve local names
[16:30] <sorinello> any idea what might be behind this sorcery ?
[16:30] <sorinello> I've ran across several topics regarding DNSSEC starting 17.04, but I don;t think this is my issue
[16:31] <sorinello> and all bugs related to that seems to have been fixed in march, and my system is up to date
[17:05] <sorinello> what an annoying piece of software must be systemd-resolved ....
[17:44] <nim> sorinello: Ubuntu 17.04 now uses systemd-resolved: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-resolved.service.html
[17:55] <nim> sorinello: it should use nameservers returned by your DHCP server and cache them. I think that you can actually resolve your local names by appending the suffix configured in dnsmasq, which is `.lan` by default. So try pinging `example.lan`, and if it works, you just need to configure that suffix in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf. The section is `[Resolve]`, and the option name is `Domains`. For example, `Domains=lan` if your suffix is `.lan`. Then relo
[17:59] <nim> sorinello: you can also remove /etc/resolv.conf, which is by default a symlink to /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf, and create a new one with the contents like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24544115/
[18:00] <nim> sorinello: resolved will use it then to get the necessary information. For details see the link I gave you above. Hope that helped.
[18:10] <sorinello> nim, THANKS !
[18:10] <sorinello> will try your suggestions
[19:20] <blip-> !log
[23:31] <xubuntu83i> hello all
[23:32] <xubuntu83i> what about stability of 17.04? Is it normal or too many bugs for main OS installing&
[23:32] <xubuntu83i> ?


[00:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: virt-what (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.19-1 => 1.21-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[00:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted virt-what [sync] (jammy-proposed) [1.21-1]
[00:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub2-unsigned (jammy-proposed/main) [2.06-2ubuntu7 => 2.06-2ubuntu7] (core, i386-whitelist)
[00:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-docs (jammy-proposed/main) [22.04.3 => 22.04.4] (ubuntu-desktop)
[00:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub2-unsigned [amd64] (jammy-proposed) [2.06-2ubuntu7]
[00:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-docs [source] (jammy-proposed) [22.04.4]
[01:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (jammy-proposed/main) [42.0-1ubuntu4 => 42.0-1ubuntu5] (desktop-core)
[01:33] <jbicha> please consider adding a force-skiptest hint for oss4's jammy rdepends (dkms, glib2.0, linux-meta) context is https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2022/04/14/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t17:21
[10:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pytest-skip-markers (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.1.0-2 => 1.1.0-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pytest-skip-markers [sync] (jammy-proposed) [1.1.0-3]
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: pyqi (jammy-proposed/universe) [0.3.2+dfsg-7 => 0.3.2+dfsg-8] (no packageset) (sync)
[10:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted pyqi [sync] (jammy-proposed) [0.3.2+dfsg-8]
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdm3 (jammy-proposed/main) [42.0-1ubuntu4 => 42.0-1ubuntu6] (desktop-core)
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lollypop (jammy-proposed/universe) [1.4.32-1 => 1.4.33-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[12:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lollypop [sync] (jammy-proposed) [1.4.33-1]
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: wine-development (jammy-proposed/universe) [6.19~repack-2ubuntu1 => 6.20~repack-1] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[13:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted wine-development [sync] (jammy-proposed) [6.20~repack-1]
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cinnamon-desktop-environment (jammy-proposed/universe) [5.2.1 => 5.2.2] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cinnamon-desktop-environment [sync] (jammy-proposed) [5.2.2]
[17:20] <jbicha> hope y'all are enjoying the weekend. If release time is around, gdm3 42.0-1ubuntu6 has an important fix
[18:40] <doko> ubuntu-archive: please hint pyparsing into jammy. I removed the ganeti armhf binaries in the release pocket which invalidates the ganeti armhf autopkg test
[18:41] <doko> ginggs: ^^^
[21:11] <vorlon> doko: and why is it appropriate to remove the armhf ganeti binaries which will come back with the next upload of the package?
[21:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: salt (jammy-proposed/universe) [3004.1+dfsg-1 => 3004.1+dfsg-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[21:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted salt [sync] (jammy-proposed) [3004.1+dfsg-2]
[21:34] <vorlon> mwhudson: why does locale -a return C.utf8 in Ubuntu while it returns C.UTF-8 in Debian (breaking the ganeti build)?