[14:28] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, hm..
[14:28] <smoser> about to merge this, but one question
[14:28] <smoser> is data from dmi == data in shareconfig ?
[14:28] <smoser> or will an updated instance think that it is now a new instance because it loks in a different place
[14:30] <Odd_Bloke> Oh, that's an interesting point.
[14:32] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Just bringing up a fresh instance to test. :)
[14:37] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Oh, bah, no they aren't the same ID.
[14:39] <Odd_Bloke> Blah, and that means we can't even get away with it in xenial, because older instances might be upgraded to xenial and get the new code.
[14:40] <smoser> well, we can handle it in package upgrade
[14:41] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, true.
[14:41] <Odd_Bloke> It would be good to not have to maintain the old code paths in trunk.
[14:42] <smoser> ideally we do something that doesn't require package upgrade
[14:43] <smoser> erl... doesn't require package upgrade to fix the problem for us.
[14:43] <smoser> ie, best if e can somehow dtrt.
[14:44] <smoser> i absolutely want to be able to ditch the old code though.
[17:28] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I don't know that we can do anything without keeping the old code.
[17:30] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Do you have a specific case where package upgrade won't work?
[17:30] <smoser> just as upstream
[17:30] <smoser> would be better for upstream to handle it
[17:36] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, but if you can do a good job in packaging, i think i'm ok to take it.
[20:56] <cbolt> does runcmd happen before scripts-user?


[06:35] <MTecknology> newz2000: ya know.... we really should have the countdown banners out earlier :)
[06:35] <MTecknology> like... 2 months to get excited
[14:28] <newz2000> MTecknology: I've thought about that. I think sooner than we did this time is good but 2 months may be stretching it.
[14:28] <newz2000> somwhere between 1 and 2 months is good.
[14:29] <MTecknology> That'd be nice, it just feels like a whole lot of work is done for something that's barely used otherwise
[14:29] <newz2000> good point.
[14:29] <newz2000> The more time we have to show the banner the more work it takes because there's more images.
[14:30] <newz2000> Maybe we create a "Get ready for 11.10" that we show up until 30 days
[14:30] <MTecknology> Oh... there's 2 digits, start at 99. :)
[14:30] <MTecknology> or that. I like that
[14:31] <newz2000> I'll put a note on my list to give this some thought around the time UDS happens.
[14:32] <MTecknology> :)


[16:33] <tyhicks> hello
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> hi
[16:34] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:34] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Apr 18 16:34:00 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:34] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:34] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:34] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:34] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:34] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:39] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: go ahead and we'll circle back to Jamie
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I just published the samba and optipng updates
[16:40] <mdeslaur> and am working on php5 updates
[16:40] <mdeslaur> that's it, sbeattie you're it
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week.
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'm currently (still) testing glibc updates
[16:41] <sbeattie> I have some apparmor things to do as well, plus the usual kernel cve triage bits
[16:41] <sbeattie> I may try to pick up another update or two, as we have a bit of a backlog.
[16:41] <sbeattie> that's it for me, tyhicks?
[16:42] <tyhicks> sbeattie: x+1 will open next week so we need to be ready for PIE by default
[16:42] <sbeattie> right
[16:43] <tyhicks> sbeattie: as much as I agree that picking up an update is needed, it may be higher prio to focus on the various debdiffs
[16:43] <sbeattie> okay
[16:43] <jdstrand> sorry, got pulled aside
[16:43] <tyhicks> jdstrand: go ahead
[16:44] <jdstrand> most of my week is going to be dealing with documentation updates for snappy on 16.04, helping the sdoc guys on policy/interfaces, testing snappy interfaces myself and an embargoed issue
[16:44] <jdstrand> oh, and this is a short week for me
[16:44] <jdstrand> I'll be off tomorrow
[16:44] <jdstrand> (but back wed)
[16:45] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:45] <tyhicks> I'm on bug triage this week
[16:46] <tyhicks> I'm currently making progress on the ecryptfs maintenance todos that I've been mentioning the last few weeks
[16:46] <tyhicks> I've built up quite an email backlog and need to get through some of that before release
[16:47] <tyhicks> if I have time, I'd like to help out with code reviews or maybe pick up an update
[16:47] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:47] <jjohansen> I'm working on squashing more apparmor bugs this week
[16:48] <jjohansen> it seems I need to revisit the loading bug that I thought to have finally tracked down as cboltz reports the fix isn't working for him
[16:49] <jjohansen> hrmmm, I think that is it for me, unless I am given different direction
[16:50] <tyhicks> sounds about right to me
[16:50] <tyhicks> sarnold: go ahead
[16:51] <sarnold> I'm on cve triage this week, but I think I may neglect it today and maybe tomorrow to focus on MIRs instead -- it'd be nice to get through as many as we can before release, I think, and it's not like we have a shortage of issues to work n
[16:51] <tyhicks> I think that's a good idea
[16:51] <sarnold> the apparmor community has also been on fire with patches the last few weeks, it'd be fun if that continues, so i'll try to work in some smaller/obvious reviews if I can
[16:52] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> I've got an Oxide update to get out this week. I'm also expecting Chromium at some point too
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> And a Firefox update
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I also need to update the Firefox packaging for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1256955 so that we can produce builds for the next release (next week)
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> I plan to spend some time adding a test shell to Oxide this week (see the last sentence of the commit message for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/oxide.trunk/revision/1447)
[16:54] <chrisccoulson> But that does require some other re-architecting first
[16:55] <tyhicks> oof
[16:55] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: expect to get to any oxide development items?
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> I also plan to have a look at bug 1570996, to try to figure out if we can make shutdown a bit more reliable (it's not the only shutdown issue we have)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, I hope so
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[16:57] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:57] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:57] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:57] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/archmage.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cabextract.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/filezilla.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/insighttoolkit4.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/qpid-python.html
[16:57] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:00] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: Thanks!
[17:00] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Apr 18 16:59:43 2016 UTC.
[17:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-04-18-16.34.moin.txt
[17:00] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks :)
[17:00] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks
[17:01] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks
[23:52] <denlud> Hey whats up?
[23:52] <denlud> What are u doing?
[23:56] <nacc> denlud: it's not appropriate to randomly test your client or setup with all channels, I believe FreeNode provides a #test channel for that
[23:57] <denlud> Yea but then i cant be sure, that ubuntu-meeting is also working :D


[05:58] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:01] <ricotz> hello oSoMoN
[06:04] <didrocks> good morning
[06:05] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz, didrocks
[06:07] <didrocks> salut salut oSoMoN
[06:15] <ricotz> hey didrocks
[06:23] <didrocks> hey ricotz
[08:09] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[08:32] <lissyx> seb128, any visibility on hwe kernel for 22.04?
[08:33] <lissyx> I'm wondering if I should wait for it on 22.04 or move to 22.10
[08:34] <seb128> lissyx, hey, I don't know what's the schedule is there but you can get newer versions perhaps from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/intermediate-kernel
[08:34] <lissyx> thanks
[08:34] <lissyx> I guess I'll just move to 22.10 this week then
[08:35] <lissyx> so if it breaks I can complain at the summit :)
[08:36] <seb128> :-)
[08:48] <tjaalton> seb128: that's for experimental oem kernel builds mostly
[08:48] <tjaalton> "hwe" means many things :)
[08:48] <tjaalton> in this case it's the team
[09:01] <seb128> tjaalton, ah, thanks. and do you know when 22.04 is going to get a newer kernel (5.17? 5.19? 6.0?)
[09:17] <tjaalton> linux-generic-hwe-22.04-edge should get updated to 5.19 at some point, non-edge by january I think
[09:17] <tjaalton> before the point-release anyway
[10:30] <juliank> gdm3 fails for this user in https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/ydnwg4/just_upgraded_to_kinetic_kudu_some_suggestions_on/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
[10:31] <juliank> fails to install
[10:31] <juliank> basename missing an operand
[10:46] <ogra> well, looking at the postinst logic, the users seems to be missing /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[10:47] <ogra> (or it is empty)
[10:48] <ogra> yeah, in fact it seems to exist but being empty (else that code path would not have been taken)
[10:51] <ogra> the user must have tinkered with that file i think
[18:02] <lissyx> 22.10 upgrade completed and it seems working correctly so far
[18:02] <lissyx> intel ax210 now syncs 2400/2400 on the ap :)
[18:02] <lissyx> measuring ~1.55Gbit/1.35Gbit
[19:30] <KGB-0> glib Andrea Pappacoda 345388 * commented merge request !21 * https://deb.li/5mlR


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[23:02] <tsimonq2> infinity: It seems you made a typo in your latest Ubiquity commit: https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/commit/?id=cdb7dbed2342862efece06f35e26cb8294ee7f9f
[23:02] <tsimonq2> deb-src http://archive.ubnutu.com/ubuntu cosmic-updates main
[23:03] <tsimonq2> I would Just Fix It but ENOPERMISSIONS.
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[00:45] <menn0> babbageclunk: another easy one: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7499
[00:47] <babbageclunk> menn0: approved
[00:48] <menn0> babbageclunk: thanks. develop one on it's way.
[00:48] <babbageclunk> menn0: I don't think you need that reviewed though.
[00:52] <menn0> babbageclunk: true
[00:58] <axw> wallyworld: doing the sort/check in SetAPIHostPorts should be fine, we don't seem to care about the order in the worker, so shouldn't there either
[01:44] <wallyworld> axw: excellent, thanks for checking
[03:15] <babbageclunk> menn0: can you please review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7501?
[03:15] <menn0> will do
[03:15] <babbageclunk> thanks!
[03:16]  * babbageclunk goes for a run, anyway
[05:11] <babbageclunk> jam: ping?
[05:11] <jam> babbageclunk: in standup will ping when done
[05:11] <babbageclunk> jam: cool cool
[05:12] <babbageclunk> menn0: ping?
[05:12] <menn0> babbageclunk: otp
[05:12]  * babbageclunk sulks
[05:40] <jam> babbageclunk: what's up
[05:41] <jam> babbageclunk: we have the same standup :)
[05:42] <babbageclunk> jam: yeah, sorry - forgot!
[05:43] <babbageclunk> jam: Here's my change to the status history pruning, if you want to take a look: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7501
[05:44] <jam> babbageclunk: so my concern with the 'while true' stuff, is you probably aren't getting close to actually having 4GB of history
[05:44] <jam> and that's the point where we need to watch out for how it operates.
[05:44] <jam> babbageclunk: did you do any big scale testing to know that it performs decently ?
[05:44] <babbageclunk> jam: I tried it with 2,000,000 records in unit tests, but not any more than that.
[05:44] <jam> and/or analysis of how much memory we store, how long it takes to get the list of things to be deleted
[05:45] <babbageclunk> jam: with those it was getting through ~400k rows in each 15s chunk
[05:46] <jam> babbageclunk: where was this running?
[05:46] <babbageclunk> jam: but you're right, checking how long the initial query takes is something I'll do
[05:47] <jam> babbageclunk: yeah, one of the particular concerns is just the 'grab all the ids' never returning before getting killed
[05:47] <babbageclunk> on my nice fast laptop with ssd, so I'm not sure how it'll scale.
[05:47] <jam> babbageclunk: ah, I guess you are walking the iterator and deleting, right ?
[05:47] <jam> so it doesn't have to read all 2M before it starts removing stuff
[05:48] <babbageclunk> jam: *In theory* it should be streaming the query, but that's definitely something I should confirm for really sure.
[05:48] <babbageclunk> yup
[05:48] <jam> babbageclunk: I've seen collection.count() fail
[05:48] <jam> in some of the logs
[05:48] <jam> and *that* should be much cheaper
[05:50] <babbageclunk> jam: yeah, that bit's problematic anyway - the number we get back is only a rough estimate and we frequently exit the loop before deleting all of them (because the size drops below threshold).
[05:51] <babbageclunk> jam: maybe there's a more stats-y way to get a rough row count (since the scale is really the information we need)
[05:51] <jam> babbageclunk: so coll.Count() should just be reading the stats on the collection
[05:52] <jam> as long as we aren't doing query.Count()
[05:52] <jam> babbageclunk: and it may be that if something like Count() is failing, there just really isn't anything we can do
[05:52] <babbageclunk> jam: yeah, true
[05:52] <jam> cause we wouldn't be able to get useful work done
[05:53] <jam> babbageclunk: so *if* you're looking at this, is there any chance you could try a perf test of doing Bulk().Remove()*1000, vs coll.RemoveAll({_id: $in{1000}}) ?
[05:53] <babbageclunk> jam: sorry, I was a bit unclear - the count is probably exact but our calculation of how many rows need to be deleted is approximate.
[05:54] <jam> babbageclunk: no I understood that part, and I think its still worthwhile from a "ok, you've taken 10min, are you going to take another 30s, or another 3hrs"
[05:54] <babbageclunk> jam: Oh yes - I did that. The bulk call is a bit faster at a batch size of 1000.
[05:54] <jam> babbageclunk: k. I have a very strong feeling it is much slower on mongo 2.4 (cause it doesn't support actual pipelined operations, so mgo fakes it)
[05:55] <jam> which *may* impact us on Trusty, where I'm told we're still using 2.4, but I can live with that.
[05:55] <babbageclunk> jam: RemoveAll is faster with a batch size of 10000, but bulk doesn't support more than 1000
[05:55] <jam> babbageclunk: do you have numbers?
[05:55] <babbageclunk> jam: It's easy for me to change back to using RemoveAll - it's all in one commit.
[05:55] <jam> as in 10% difference, 2x faster, ?
[05:55] <babbageclunk> 25% faster
[05:56] <jam> RemoveAll(10k) is 25% faster than Bulk(1k)
[05:56] <jam> ?
[05:56] <babbageclunk> yuo
[05:56] <babbageclunk> yup
[05:56] <jam> babbageclunk: and RemoveAll(1k) vs Bulk(1k) ?
[05:57] <babbageclunk> I was getting 400k / 15s block for bulk vs 490k / 15s for RemoveAll(10k)
[05:57] <babbageclunk> I can't remember the number for RemoveAll(1k) - there wasn't much difference between Bulk and RemoveAll
[05:58]  * babbageclunk checks scrollback
[05:59] <jam> babbageclunk: surprisingly historicalStatusDoc also doesn't have any ,omitempty fields
[05:59] <jam> babbageclunk: can you create a bug against 2.3 about adding them?
[06:00] <babbageclunk> jam: ok. I'm only selecting ids in this case though, so hopefully that wouldn't change it.
[06:00] <jam> only one I kind of care about is StatusData as it is very likely to be empty and thats just bytes on the docs we don't need.
[06:00] <jam> babbageclunk: not about anything you're doing
[06:00] <babbageclunk> ok
[06:00] <jam> babbageclunk: its about "oh hey, this isn't correct"
[06:00] <babbageclunk> sure :)
[06:00] <babbageclunk> It's like when you lift a rock and see all the creepy crawlies
[06:01] <jam> babbageclunk: its a change that I'm not 100% comfortable just landing in a 2.2.* series, but also low hanging fruit for a 2.3
[06:01] <babbageclunk> Yeah, makes sense
[06:02] <jam> babbageclunk: every status history doc is at least 52 bytes long just from the keyword fields
[06:02] <jam> given we have Millions of them, we probably should also consider being more frugal
[06:04] <jam> babbageclunk: so just a general "we should re-evaluate the fields in statuses-history because we are being wasteful with size of a doc we have lots of"
[06:05] <jam> babbageclunk: my gut (and I'd like menn0 to have a say here), is to go with RemoveAll(10k), because there are fewer total moving parts, and it will do better on 2.4 anyway
[06:05] <jam> babbageclunk: the other thing to compare against is what is the total time when it was a single query?
[06:05] <babbageclunk> I guess we can't really shorten the stored field names at this point either.
[06:05] <jam> as in, RemoveAlL(, t < X) => 500k/15s average time
[06:05] <jam> babbageclunk: well that we can do with an upgrade step
[06:06] <jam> *could*
[06:06] <wallyworld> axw: i'm confused. somethings use a *Macaroon. other times we pass around a [][]*Macaroon (in fact []macaroon.Slice). do you know if just storing a single macaroon for cmr auth will be sufficient?
[06:06] <jam> babbageclunk: or is RemoveAll(t < X) 1M/15s
[06:06] <jam> babbageclunk: do you have that number?
[06:06] <jam> I'm guessing it may still be worth it to give feedback and be making concrete progress
[06:06] <babbageclunk> No, sorry, haven't tested that.
[06:07] <jam> babbageclunk: ok, I'd like you to do that comparison, just to have some information about whether we're making a big impact or not.
[06:07] <babbageclunk> Would be good to know how much the incremental processing is costing.
[06:07] <babbageclunk> Ok, I'll compare to that.
[06:07] <jam> babbageclunk: my experience on Pruning is that Read is *way* cheaper that Remove
[06:07] <jam> than
[06:07] <jam> babbageclunk: as in, PruneAll takes seconds to figure out what to do and minutes to remove them
[06:08] <babbageclunk> Right
[06:08] <jam> babbageclunk: but I'd like confirmation here
[06:08] <jam> babbageclunk: also, make sure that you're doing the prunes while the charms are firin
[06:08] <jam> firing
[06:08] <jam> so that there are active inserts while we're removing
[06:08] <babbageclunk> Yup
[06:09] <babbageclunk> jam: ok - I have to go help feed the kids before I get in trouble.
[06:10] <babbageclunk> jam: Thanks though - I'll compare those.
[06:10] <jam> babbageclunk: np, I approved the PR conditional on the testing
[06:10] <babbageclunk> jam: awesome
[06:44] <axw> wallyworld: sorry, was riding. uhm. IIRC, you pass around a collection if you'll need to discharge. I think in your case you only need to pass around one
[06:45] <wallyworld> yeah, that's all i was counting on doing
[08:58] <menn0> jam: did you want to discuss mgo/txn changes?
[08:58] <jam> menn0: indeed
[08:59] <menn0> jam: hangout?
[09:00] <jam> menn0: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/john-menno?authuser=1
[09:02] <menn0> jam: sorry, having auth issues
[09:02] <menn0> bear with me
[09:02] <jam> menn0: np, I thought I was having the problems, hangouts doesn't like me all the time
[09:03] <menn0> jam: i'm in the hangout now
[09:14] <jam> menn0: I'm finally there, are you still connecting?
[09:14] <menn0> jam: i've been in it for a while
[13:27] <jam> axw: reviewed your log buffering
[23:57] <rick_h> hml: ping
[23:59] <hml> rich_h: hi
[23:59] <hml> or rick_h even.  :-) hi


[21:06]  * thumper goes to stretch his legs and walk the dog
[21:51] <rick_h__> thumper: when you get back wonder if I can steal a few min
[22:18] <thumper> rick_h__: hey
[22:18] <rick_h__> thumper: party


[10:20] <mlh> does the forgotten password page work?  or am i doing something silly
[10:22] <carlos> mlh, it should work. What problem do you have?
[10:23] <mlh> the 'forgotten passwrd' link on the login page doesn't take me anywhere
[10:27] <mlh> with or without an email address input. no email and no message to say email has been sent either
[02:49] <superted> carlos: ?
[02:50] <carlos> superted, hi
[02:51] <superted> carlos: aren't you the GTP guy as well? I was wondering how often the stats got updated
[02:52] <carlos> superted, yes, I'm the GTP guy as well
[02:53] <carlos> superted, three times/day
[02:55] <superted> carlos: ah ok.
[02:56] <superted> carlos: iirc i read on the gnome-i18n ml that the update takes 4 hours?
[02:57] <carlos> perhaps it's now 3 hours
[02:57] <carlos> but yes, it takes a while
[06:04] <paulproteus> Launchpad is an interesting idea, but all I want to do is file a bug against Ubuntu.  It was confusing when I got redirected to this other site with this other separate logins.
[06:06] <carlos> paulproteus, we are migrating all to launchpad
[06:06] <carlos> paulproteus, universe was the first part moved to launchpad
[06:07] <carlos> that's why it's in two different systems
[06:13] <paulproteus> carlos: Ah.
[06:14] <paulproteus> So I hope it makes sense that I'm filing a bug against libwnck in Launchpad.
[06:15] <paulproteus> Yeek, Launchpad has a lot of rough edges.
[06:16] <paulproteus> I pressed submit to file my bug, but there's no indication that it worked.
[06:17] <carlos> paulproteus, libwnck is in main, so it should still be filed at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ubuntu
[06:18] <paulproteus> carlos: Thanks for the help.
[06:19] <paulproteus> Launchpad looks very cool.  This SSH key stuff is spot-on.
[06:19] <carlos> paulproteus, please, file a bug at https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/products/malone about any problem / annoyance you have with malone
[06:21] <paulproteus> Okay. :)
[06:22] <paulproteus> There, libwnck bug filed.
[06:23] <carlos> thanks


[02:09] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:15] <nixternal> howdy bddebian
[02:15] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[02:19] <nixternal> a friend brought over his laptop saying it was slow..win2k is hosed, but i think his drive is hosed...win2k took 1 hour to format 7% of 20gb drive
[02:19] <nixternal> we shall see if kubuntu install does better
[02:21] <nixternal> installing the base system w/o a problem
[02:23] <linuxmonkey> nixternal: winblows
[02:24] <bddebian> Hence why it has like 99% of the Market
[02:24] <nixternal> ya right
[02:25] <nixternal> don't hate the player, hate the game
[02:25] <nixternal> ;)
[02:25] <linuxmonkey> lol i got to correct ya
[02:25] <linuxmonkey> Don't hate the playa, hate the game
[02:25] <nixternal> oh lord
[02:26] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:26] <nixternal> you just didn't go there did you ?
[02:26] <linuxmonkey> nope I didnt go there, I was allready there
[02:26] <linuxmonkey> :)
[02:26] <linuxmonkey> just messing with ya
[02:58] <apokryphos> weird, kopete version number is 3.5.2...isn't that wrong?
[02:59] <linuxmonkey> apokryphos: u sure that your not in the kde version #
[02:59] <apokryphos> linuxmonkey: yup, /msg ubotu info kopete
[03:00] <linuxmonkey> apokryphos: June 1st, 2006  Kopete 0.12.0 Released!..so yeah that version # is wrong
[03:01] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: it's not wrong
[03:01] <Riddell> it just uses the kde version number, like all the kde packages do
[03:01] <linuxmonkey> Riddell: thats what I said
[03:01] <apokryphos> kdenetwork would be 3.5.2, but *kopete* shouldn't be...
[03:03] <linuxmonkey> hey is the latest version of kopete available in our repo's
[03:04] <apokryphos> nope
[03:04] <linuxmonkey> bah :( seams to be a few improvement
[03:05] <apokryphos> there are some nice things, yeah
[03:05] <linuxmonkey> oh well I guess i'll stick with amsn for now
[03:05] <apokryphos> *shudder*
[03:05] <linuxmonkey> lol
[03:06] <Riddell> stick around and I'll get you builds to test
[03:09] <apokryphos> couple of eager users in #ubuntu to test, too =)
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> oh i'll stick around riddell
[03:16] <nixternal> great
[03:18] <linuxmonkey> wassup nixternal
[03:19] <nixternal> nada
[03:20] <nixternal> my neice and nephew just left, so i was out spinning them in the yard...and now i feel like crap
[03:20] <linuxmonkey> ah you read what I said in the other chan
[03:23] <linuxmonkey> the worse part is his brother was here and he went to the store and when he came back he was like wtf, why didnt you open the door sooner
[03:23] <linuxmonkey> oops wrong chan
[04:14] <lnxKDE> http://lnxkde.blogspot.com/ <-- someone what to help ?
[04:47] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: testing, or official repo?
[04:47] <Riddell> testing
[04:47] <Riddell> although the packaging is pretty good
[04:48] <bddebian> Hi Riddell
[04:48] <Riddell> it as been worked on and improved by four different people :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: was that the one freeflying did?
[04:48] <Riddell> two iterations later
[04:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:49] <Riddell> Hobbsee -> freeflying -> imbrandon_ -> apachelogger
[04:49] <Hobbsee> did we get the extra dep in?
[04:49] <Hobbsee> for the yahoo webcam support?
[04:49] <Riddell> which extra dep is that?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure, i'll have to look it up...
[04:50] <Hobbsee> it was late one morning when i saw it...
[04:50] <Riddell> there's no jingle or openslp
[04:50] <Hobbsee> I cannot find the jasper image convert program.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> jasper is required to render the yahoo webcam images.
[04:50] <Hobbsee> Please see http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support for further information.
[04:51] <Riddell> hmm, nope
[04:51] <imbrandon_> *looks up*
[04:51] <imbrandon_> heya Hobbsee Riddell
[04:51] <Hobbsee> heya imbrandon_
[04:52] <Hobbsee> okay, i'll play with it, and see if i can get that to work...
[04:52] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, i get my shiney new iBook in a few days , then my dev far will be complete
[04:52] <imbrandon_> farm*
[04:52] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:54] <Riddell> can I go to bed now?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nope
[04:55] <Hobbsee> because hopefully i'll get this versoin fixed, with the webcam support
[04:55] <Hobbsee> rotten people - they forgot me in the changelog :P
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: at this time of morning, you may as well just stay up all night
[04:57] <Hobbsee> night Riddell :)
[05:20] <imbrandon_> Riddell, you know where the cpu throttleing is handeled for the desktop ?  is it software or all system bios ?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: he snuck off to bed...
[05:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_:  he snuck off to bed...
[05:30] <imbrandon_> hehe np
[05:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: IIRC there might have been a setting in kpowersave for it, but i've always changed mine via the BIOS
[05:31] <imbrandon_> was just wondering becouse my cpu throttleing is turned of in bios BUT it differs when i run sysinfo, sometimes 2.2ghz sometimes 1ghz
[05:31] <imbrandon_> off*
[05:32] <imbrandon_> Sysinfo for 'birdofprey': Linux 2.6.15-23-amd64-k8 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3400+ at 1002 MHz (2006 bogomips), HD: 31/141GB, RAM: 393/687MB, 121 proc's, 6.46min up
[05:32] <crimsun_> Linux doesn't necessarily honour the bios if you tell it not to
[05:32] <imbrandon_> right right, but how do i tell linux to not throttle the cpu crimsun_ ?
[05:32] <imbrandon_> see its running at 1ghz right now
[05:32] <imbrandon_> but the 3400+ is set for 2.2ghz
[05:33] <imbrandon_> ( in bios that is )
[05:33] <imbrandon_> this is a desktop so i dont want it to throttle lol
[05:33] <nixternal> disable it in the kernel like i do ;)
[05:34] <imbrandon_> nixternal, i dont like compiling my own kernel if i dont have to so i can just use apt-get to update it when nessesary
[05:34] <imbrandon_> i _CAN_ but would prefer another method
[05:34] <nixternal> download the source from the repositories...and compile it that way...then you will always use the same config file when you apt-get
[05:35] <imbrandon_> true
[05:35] <crimsun_> . o O { Why in the world would you want to disable throttling? }
[05:35] <nixternal> you don't need it for a desktop for 1
[05:35] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, why have it throttle whgen its a desktop and always uses the same power no matter what
[05:35] <imbrandon_> i'm not trying to save batterie or something
[05:36] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: the whole point of throttling is that you don't need to run your cpu at max all the time
[05:36] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: (btw, you may want to answer ajmitch_...)
[05:36] <nixternal> desktop power rails are different from notebooks...as the power rails won't go below specified rates...at 1ghz it is drawing the saem amount of electricity from the system as it would at 2ghz
[05:37] <imbrandon_> nixternal, exactly
[05:38] <crimsun_> nixternal: again, it's not as if you have to have your cpu running at max all the time (yes, I know about the rails, too)
[05:38] <imbrandon_> so no use in throttleing it down on a deskktop
[05:38] <nixternal> no you don't have to crimsum, but why have it throttle, when you don't need that either ?
[05:39] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, as far as i know throttleing only saves power right ?
[05:39] <nixternal> crimsun too..sorry for the misspell
[05:39] <nixternal> yes imbrandon..that is the function it is supposed to serve
[05:39] <imbrandon_> my cpu life wont be increased by throttling
[05:39] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: only? I doubt it, but its main purpose is, yes.
[05:39] <nixternal> i overclock and watercool...so i don't need throtteling ;)
[05:40] <imbrandon_> no biggie was just wondering about it, this is turning into something much more ;) i'll just leave it as is for now
[05:41] <crimsun_> you could always file a wishlist bug asking for it to be disabled more intuitively
[05:41] <imbrandon_> crimsun_, since you are awake though can you look at that url i gave in -motu and maybe tell me why i have to modprobe like that on every boot ?
[05:41] <crimsun_> "need userfriendly knobs kthxbye"
[05:42] <imbrandon_> hahaha crimsun_ ;)
[05:42] <crimsun_> imbrandon_: missing the rather critical debug spew from ``dmesg''
[05:42] <crimsun_> -> #kubuntu
[05:42] <imbrandon_> k thats coming ....
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[06:10] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, he slipped off to sleep ;) just teasin
[06:10] <Hobbsee> hehe i kjnow that - i was going to speak to him when he woke up
[06:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping about http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125210
[06:35] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 125210 in general "amaroK doesn't apply the show splashscreen setting from a kiosk config" [Minor,New]
[06:46] <imbrandon_> ok Hobbsee what exactly do you need me to do , uninstalling 1.4 now and removing the kubunut.org deb from sources.list
[06:46] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/42114
[06:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42114 in amarok "Amarok can't enable/disable splashscreen" [Medium,Confirmed]
[06:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: looks to be okay...
[06:46] <Hobbsee> someone's already tested it
[06:46] <imbrandon_> ok
[06:46] <imbrandon_> nm then ;)
[06:47] <nixternal> i fixed that bug...although i cheated
[06:48] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, looks like a amarok bug not a kds one
[06:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: amarokrc i think would be in kds
[06:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how?
[06:49] <nixternal> you have to go into the config file for amarok..and change the splash from false to true...then restart amarok..and in amarok disable the splash...wallah
[06:49] <imbrandon_> right Hobbsee but if amarok isnt reading the kds data right thats not kds fault
[06:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, that seems to be the fix
[06:50] <nixternal> lol
[06:50] <nixternal> better then what i smell i guess ;)
[06:51] <nixternal> pyuic?
[06:51] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, you know of any kicker applets written in python ?
[06:52] <nixternal> kweather ;)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> okay, that's building
[06:53] <Hobbsee> no idea
[06:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping
[07:01] <imbrandon_> poing
[07:01] <imbrandon_> err pong
[07:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: a) would you like to test?  b)  deb or patch?
[07:02] <imbrandon_> deb would make it easy and sure
[07:02] <Hobbsee> sure
[07:03] <imbrandon_> connection refused
[07:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: dcc?  email?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> okay, email it is
[07:03] <imbrandon_> upload to ~hobbsee ;)
[07:03] <imbrandon_> email is cool too
[07:04] <Hobbsee> oh yeah.  but then i have to figure out ssh :P
[07:05] <imbrandon_> ftp works too
[07:05] <imbrandon_> ;)
[07:05] <imbrandon_> ssh is just for shell access ftp will work with the same user/pass i gave ya
[07:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: should be sent
[07:08] <imbrandon_> k
[07:08] <imbrandon_> checking now
[07:09] <imbrandon_> umm Hobbsee
[07:09] <imbrandon_> thats an _i386.deb
[07:09] <imbrandon_> i cant use that ( amd64 )
[07:09] <imbrandon_> ;(
[07:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: darn it.  grab the patch then
[07:09] <imbrandon_> kk
[07:10] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/42114
[07:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42114 in amarok "Amarok can't enable/disable splashscreen" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:12] <imbrandon_> looks like it works
[07:13] <imbrandon_> ;)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: cool
[07:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping for an upload.
[07:13] <imbrandon_> going for -updates ?
[07:14] <crimsun_> Hobbsee: RE: 42114?
[07:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun_: yes
[07:14] <crimsun_> that doesn't seem like a /critical/ update.
[07:14] <Hobbsee> well, for an opinion on it - it's something that seems to get whinged about a lot.
[07:14] <imbrandon_> whines about ALOT
[07:14] <imbrandon_> err whined
[07:15] <imbrandon_> in #kubunut and forums
[07:15] <imbrandon_> gah damm keyboard
[07:16] <crimsun_> it's a regression from breezy, then?
[07:16] <imbrandon_> yes
[07:16] <crimsun_> oh, then that's cool
[07:16] <crimsun_> might want to document that in debian/changelog
[07:17] <crimsun_> "Upstream broke blah by altering the semantics of the config setting; this patch fixes it", etc.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> bleh.  got rid of one error message for kopete, got another.
[07:27] <imbrandon_> lol
[07:27] <Hobbsee> maybe it just doesnt like me - but i'm not sure that my yahoo users i'm trying actually *have* webcams, and that might be the problem
[07:34] <Hobbsee> stupid stubborn thing.
[07:39] <nixternal> webcams..people still use those ;)
[07:41] <Hobbsee> hehe occasionally
[07:41] <nixternal> i have no clue whatever happened to mine
[07:41] <nixternal> i only used to talk with my daughter in maryland
[07:42] <nixternal> which i guess she wants to do, so i might have to buy one ;(
[07:42] <nixternal> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40844
[07:43] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ^^
[07:43] <nixternal> a nice kopete patch
[07:43] <nixternal> for gpg messages during chat sessions
[07:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice
[07:44] <nixternal> heck ya, because im sick of that message ;)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: probably bug upstream about it - wishlist at bugs.kde.org
[07:44] <nixternal> i encrypt everything, only because i can and its FREE...like in nothing i have free ;)
[07:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: i'm not sure if htat's already in a later version of konv.
[07:48] <imbrandon_> heh
[07:48] <imbrandon_> would be nice
[07:48] <Hobbsee> and did the patch work?
[07:48] <Hobbsee> i thought i read something in their changelog
[07:48] <imbrandon_> for amarok ?
[07:49] <Hobbsee> no, for konv
[07:49] <Hobbsee> the patch for amarok, yes
[07:49] <Hobbsee> the chagnelog for konv, yes i think i saw something about inline spellcheck
[07:52] <chavo> how does kubuntu-default-settings work? does it use kde's kiosk feature
[07:53] <Hobbsee> chavo: er, k-d-s just takes the default kubuntu settings, and sticks them in their respective directories
[07:54] <imbrandon_> gotta get some laundurary done , how fun *rolls eyes* , bbiab
[07:54] <chavo> It's not part of the startkde script
[07:54] <imbrandon_> chavo, no
[07:54] <imbrandon_> its ALL kubuntu settings
[07:54] <imbrandon_> not just kde ones ;)
[07:55] <chavo> I understand, just wondering when the directories get copied over
[07:56] <Hobbsee> chavo: as the deb is being installed, and it's all controlled by debian/rules inside the package
[07:56] <chavo> No I mean for a new user
[07:59] <Hobbsee> chavo: hmm...well, they get copied over to /usr/kde/default/whatever/it/is when it's installed
[07:59] <Hobbsee> and the new user gets a copy of the /user/kde/default/wherever files
[07:59] <Hobbsee> i think
[07:59] <chavo> yeah I see that
[08:39] <nixternal> arg..i did a plugin change in konqi and now it won't start up
[10:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall: around?
[10:01] <mornfall|nb> Hobbsee: all around
[10:01] <mornfall|nb> Theatre of Tragedy -- City of Light
[10:01] <Hobbsee> mornfall|nb: cool.  there was a guy yesterday wanting to help out - he's particularly interested in adept.  did he speak to you?
[10:01] <mornfall|nb> possibly
[10:01] <mornfall|nb> if he was the one i met
[10:02] <mornfall|nb> i directed him to latest tarball and gave him instructions what he could try out
[10:02] <mornfall|nb> i can't recall name and i can't access logs atm
[10:02] <mornfall|nb> but it's probably same one
[10:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall|nb: [Tue Jun 13 2006]  [23:15:29]  <RadiantFire> anyway, unrelated topic, since it seems like I wno't be getting a job this summer, I'd like to contribute some, specifically I'd like to work on Adept, and I was wonderig if you knew who I should talk to about that
[10:03] <mornfall|nb> that's the one :)
[10:03] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:04] <mornfall|nb> Lacuna Coil -- Unspoken
[10:04] <mornfall|nb> it's time to go, i'm hearing your voice.... without words, on the other side
[10:05] <mornfall|nb> but it doesn't matter how i feel now, anything at all
[10:10] <zbeasnyy> don't tell anyone
[10:10] <zbeasnyy> it's sometimes fun how people don't recognize you ;-)
[10:10] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:12] <zbeasnyy> remind me to not play with firewall when i am still half-asleep in the morning
[10:13] <sebas> Expecially not when you're doing it from a remote machine.
[10:13] <sebas> Been there, done that. :-)
[10:13] <Hobbsee> haha!
[10:13] <Hobbsee> zbeasnyy: dont play with your firewall while you're still half asleep
[10:14] <zbeasnyy> sebas: oh, the irony of that is, that i was in the internal network while doing that... it just didn't occur to me that i should test it before leaving
[10:14] <zbeasnyy> ohwell
[10:15] <sebas> zbeasnyy: Hehe :D
[10:15] <zbeasnyy> oh, another bad idea is iptables -F FORWARD when the policy on forward is drop... on your router
[10:16] <zbeasnyy> i really should get that serial cable
[10:31] <zbeasnyy> December Elegy by Tristania
[10:33] <crimsun_> "Cure" (track #4 on Ashes) is preferable.
[10:55] <zbeasnyy> Nightwish -- Romanticide
[11:02] <seaLne> anyone else running popcon? i got a user unknown this morning for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:09] <zbeasnyy> but not in ubuntu
[11:09] <zbeasnyy> hmm, nvm then :)
[11:57] <kane_> i wonder ... does Ubuntu devels ive seminars/workshops on the architecture of Kubuntu so that other teams can develop on it ?
[11:57] <kane_> ive = give
[11:59] <kane_> Hobbsee: ?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hey cool, there are people here...
[11:59] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[11:59] <kane_> arent you an Ubuntu/Kubuntu developer ?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> supposedly.  i dont know.  do you mean something like the packaging guide?  or the way the builds work, etc, or what?
[12:00] <kane_> Hobbsee: everything i suppose ...
[12:01] <Hobbsee> kane_: does http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU  help?
[12:01] <kane_> Hobbsee: what I mean is ... suppose there is a team making a kubuntu derivative ... do Kubuntu devels provide seminars/workshops etc to get them upto speed on how to develop it ?
[12:01] <kane_> Hobbsee: thats packaging right ?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: would be the one to ask about that, i think
[12:02] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt expect so, but i really dont know.  Riddell will know
[12:02] <kane_> Hobbsee: for e.g., how does hardware detection work in (K)Ubuntu ?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> same way it does in ubuntu
[12:03] <Hobbsee> IIRC
[12:03] <kane_> yeah of course :) but specifically ...
[12:04] <kane_> Hobbsee: okie :)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> kane_: what kind of kubuntu derivative, out of curiousity?
[12:04] <jpatrick> Gnash's broken
[12:04] <kane_> Hobbsee: doesnt matter ... but in my case, it is a localized distro specifically for Malayalam languae
[12:04] <kane_> language
[12:04] <Hobbsee> oh cool
[12:05] <Hobbsee> you wouldnt just translate standard kubuntu into Malayalam?  interesting.
[12:06] <seaLne> yeah what would you be changing?  it would be interesting to know incase its something that could be provide in kubuntu
[12:06] <kane_> Hobbsee: like for e.g., I am facing bug #48164 ... and I have no idea even how to begin to solve the problem
[12:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48164 in xorg "Video corruption at installation of xserver-xorg" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48164
[12:06] <seaLne> thats not a derivative thing to solve tho
[12:07] <kane_> seaLne: some stuff ... non-standard patches to various software such as Qt, ICU, etc ... some additional software, and some removed software
[12:07] <kane_> seaLne: no it isnt ... but it must be solved and I was wondering how exactly to prepare my team so that we can try to solve such issues locally and then push them to ubuntu
[12:07] <seaLne> patches for the language?
[12:07] <kane_> seaLne: like removing Kate
[12:08] <kane_> seaLne: yes
[12:08] <apokryphos> why remove kate? :P
[12:08] <kane_> apokryphos: because kate sucks for indic scripts ?
[12:08] <seaLne> i think for bugs in things like xorg yu would be best to just work with the *ubuntu devs rather than to try on your own
[12:09] <seaLne> kane_: what would yu replace it with?
[12:09] <kane_> seaLne: Kedit
[12:09] <apokryphos> yeah, it's the only text editor to have arabic language support too
[12:10] <Riddell> hi kane_
[12:10] <kane_> and then, replace some of the standard things ... like the clock, add an on-screen input pad ... stuff like that
[12:11] <kane_> anyway, thats the stuff i have to do ... but i get bogged down by issues like this xorg thingy and it would be nice to have a local team who can deal with that .. hence my question
[12:12] <kane_> i sincerely doubt that I can build a team who already knows enough to be able to fix such issues
[12:12] <kane_> (try to fix)
[12:14] <kane_> Riddell: i was asking around if any of the Kubuntu devels give seminars or workshops on specific aspects of Ubuntu development ... such as hardware detection, etc
[12:14] <Riddell> kane_: not that I know of
[12:14] <kane_> ah ok
[12:14] <Riddell> there's been a couple of motu things like that I think
[12:15] <kane_> Riddell: btw, if copyrights and stuff matter to ubuntu ... then there is a copyright issue in ttf-indic-fonts/ttf-malayalam-fonts ... the font racotf04.ttf has a copyright to only one person, whereas in actuality its copyright is held by several people/an organization
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how busy are you at the moment?
[12:24] <kane_> suppose i install dapper flight-7 ... and try to install say kedit ... will it ask to upgrade the entire system to latest ?
[12:25] <kane_> or will it install the version which best matches flight-7 ?
[12:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm always busy
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  i made a patch for the amarok splash screen bug if you're interested.
[12:26] <Riddell> kane_: it'll install the latest version and also install/upgrade dependencies a required
[12:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh cool
[12:26] <Hobbsee> and got the kopete yahoo webcam support working i think - but have no webcam to test it on...so i'll upload that sometime..
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/42114
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42114 in amarok "Amarok can't enable/disable splashscreen" [Medium,Confirmed]
[12:27] <Riddell> Show Splashscreen=true  and that stops the splash screen bring shown?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> well, it then lets you turn it on or off
[12:29] <Hobbsee> if you set show splashscreen=false, then no matter what you set in the options it shows anyway.
[12:29] <Riddell> crazy
[12:29] <Riddell> I've put it on my list of patches to upload when edgy opens
[12:31] <Hobbsee> rather, yeah.  cool :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> worth sticking in to the next lot of dapper updates, if kds has to be updated for something else anyway?
[12:36] <Riddell> yes, true
[12:36] <\sh> Hobbsee: send it to apachelogger as well
[12:37] <Hobbsee> \sh: okay....who's apachelogger?
[12:37] <apokryphos> amarok dev
[12:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: the amarok patch :) he's an amarok dev
[12:37] <Hobbsee> right
[12:38] <\sh> Hobbsee: http://apachelog.blogspot.com/
[12:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: it's a k-d-s patch - upstream says it's a distro bug
[12:38] <\sh> Hobbsee: it's not :) it's an amarok bug
[12:39] <\sh> Hobbsee: read harald sitters comment on the upstream bug report
[12:39] <Hobbsee> i'm not stupid enough to argue over that and get yelled at.  you're likely right
[12:42] <Hobbsee> \sh: true
[12:42] <\sh> Hobbsee: looks like that amarok 1.4 has problems with applying kiosk mode settings...
[12:42] <Hobbsee> so it does.  i half got that idea earlier
[12:46] <seaLne> Riddell: btw how long are you going to be at UKUUG for?
[12:52] <Riddell> seaLne: thursday evening to sunday finish
[12:52] <seaLne> cool
[12:52] <Riddell> seaLne: you going?
[12:52] <seaLne> i'm going down saturday before coming back up the monday after
[12:53] <Riddell> that's quite a stay, going to see the sights of Brighton?
[12:53] <seaLne> thought i might as well have a few days to look around as i've never been
[01:53] <Guest1009> Anyone here use xfs on ppc?
[01:56] <Riddell> Guest1009: nope
[02:00] <freeflying> Riddell: I have installed yestoday, but kneral panic, can not mount root fs
[02:03] <Riddell> ubuntu's grub isn't intended to support xfs
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: lilo can support xfs, so it will haven't problem with yaboot for xfs?
[02:04] <Riddell> no idea about yaboot
[02:04] <Riddell> why use xfs?
[02:04] <freeflying> xfs maybe the best under linux
[02:05] <Riddell> marseillai: ping
[02:05] <marseillai> Riddell: pong ?
[02:05] <Riddell> marseillai: fancy helping me with a personal request?
[02:06] <marseillai> it may be possible
[03:12] <jjesse> hmmm i want to launch ubiquity from an already installed and running 6.06 install how do i do that?
[03:19] <Riddell> install ubiquity-frontend-kde
[03:19] <Riddell> run:  ubiquity kde-ui
[03:19] <jjesse> thanks
[03:19] <Riddell> not advised to go past more than the locale step though
[03:20] <jjesse> i'm bringing up another virtual machine instead
[03:29] <viviersf> omw
[03:29] <viviersf> im getting annoyed
[03:31] <Riddell> what at?
[03:33] <mornfall> Riddell: so i have gotten ahold of the  tickets :)
[03:34] <viviersf> Riddell, python
[03:34] <Riddell> phew
[03:34] <viviersf> im sending a virable to another method
[03:34] <viviersf> but
[03:34] <Riddell> viviersf: it has its peculiarities
[03:34] <viviersf> since python is all references
[03:34] <viviersf> if it changes in that method
[03:34] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm also aboutto publish your people behind kde
[03:35] <mornfall> ah
[03:35] <viviersf> it should change everywherre
[03:35] <viviersf> but nooo
[03:35] <viviersf> it doesnt want to
[03:35] <mornfall> nice :-)
[03:35] <mornfall> zbeasnyy: wtf?
[03:35] <mornfall> ahwait
[03:35] <viviersf> you dont have an idea whats wrong Riddell ?
[03:36] <viviersf> lol zbeasnyy
[03:36] <Riddell> viviersf: not really, some objects are immutable and some aren't, you might have an immutable object
[03:36] <mornfall> viviersf: rot13 :p
[03:36] <Riddell> it depends in wht way you're changing it
[03:37] <viviersf> eh mornfall ?
[03:37] <viviersf> Riddell, its daft :(
[03:38] <mornfall> viviersf: my alternate nick is rot13 of the original nick
[03:38] <viviersf> kk
[03:39] <viviersf> thx Riddell im just going to rewrite the method
[03:39] <viviersf> wasting to much time
[03:39] <Riddell> viviersf: what are you writing?
[03:40] <viviersf> password syncing tool
[03:40] <viviersf> for single signon systems
[03:40] <viviersf> bleh
[03:55] <kwwii> Riddell: where can I find the icons used in "system settings"?
[03:56] <Riddell> kwwii: kdebase/kcontrol mostly
[03:56] <kwwii> I cannot seem to find them in /usr/share/icons or in the kubuntu default settings
[03:56] <kwwii> Riddell: cool, thanks
[03:57] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdebase/kcontrol/pics/
[03:58] <kwwii> super :-) I have about half of them finished already
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya
[04:04] <goldenear> Hi, I believe I found a bug in the file open/save dialogue window but I don't exactly know how to report it
[04:05] <jpatrick> bugs.kde.org
[04:05] <goldenear> th problem is that, when I "navigate" thru the files with the arrows keys (down arrow key), it jumps some files
[04:05] <goldenear> jpatrick: I know that
[04:06] <goldenear> but I don't know what app should this bug attached to
[04:06] <jpatrick> :/
[04:07] <goldenear> jpatrick: could you confirme this bug ?
[04:08] <goldenear> (I don't know if what I mean is very clear)
[04:08] <Riddell> it'll be kdelibs kdeui
[04:08] <jpatrick> file save/open dialog?
[04:08] <goldenear> yep
[04:09] <goldenear> try to browse the files with the arrows keys in there
[04:10] <jpatrick> jumps some of them
[04:10] <goldenear> yes
[04:10] <jpatrick> yep
[04:11] <goldenear> it seems to jump longer ones
[04:11] <goldenear> So it's a bug, you can confime it ?
[04:12] <jpatrick> yea
[04:12] <Riddell> mornfall: http://people.kde.nl/mornfall.html
[04:13] <goldenear> jpatrick: It may be better if you could report the bug... I'm not sure my english is good enough for a precise explaination
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: you're only 21?  wow!
[04:15] <mornfall> Riddell: looks ok... maybe linking adept to its homepage? (i didn't quite figure how to do it in the wiki without affecting the text)
[04:15] <mornfall> that's optional anyway
[04:16] <mornfall> Hobbsee: only 21? i just recently found out i'm not 20 anymore :\
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:16] <jpatrick> mornfall: You have one fetching looking desktop
[04:16] <Hobbsee> i thought you were older
[04:16] <Hobbsee> (and what is it with devs havign long hair???)
[04:16] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I ain't got no long hair
[04:16] <Hobbsee> wow, that's one.
[04:17] <\sh> long hair is most propably "heavy Metal Fan"
[04:18] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i like my hair :p
[04:18] <goldenear> Riddell: is KDE4 most likely for edgy+1 or edgy+2 ?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe.  and the fact that it takes ages to dry in winter.
[04:18] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, yeah, not that i care
[04:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i once let it freeze :)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:19] <Riddell> goldenear: +3?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> eek!
[04:19] <jpatrick> goldenear: never
[04:19] <goldenear> lol
[04:19] <Hobbsee> yes, it does not exist :P
[04:19] <goldenear> KDE4 does not exist ?
[04:19] <jpatrick> We'll just rename the packages to kde 5
[04:20] <goldenear> KDE4 could be a very bad maketing name in japan
[04:20] <goldenear> 4=death in Japanese
[04:21] <mornfall> goldenear: what's the NT4 marketing name in japan?
[04:21] <goldenear> KDE Death doesn't sound very good :)
[04:21] <goldenear> windows 2000 ?
[04:21] <goldenear> lol
[04:21] <goldenear> 1999
[04:22] <mornfall> windows2000 is nt5
[04:22] <mornfall> and xp is nt5.1 :-)
[04:22] <goldenear> I know
[04:22] <goldenear> I mean win2000 had more success than NT4
[04:22] <mornfall> (makes one wonder about the progress with xp, since not even MS had the balls to call it nt6)
[04:23] <jpatrick> mornfall: one q: is it Peter or Petr ?
[04:23] <jjesse> xp is based on the same codebase as nt
[04:24] <jjesse> xp service pack 2, windows server 2003 and vista are based along the same codebase
[04:24] <goldenear> xp is mostly a cosmetic "improvement" (?) of windows 2000
[04:25] <goldenear> jjesse: isn't vista based on a new base code rewrote (almost) from scratch (and modularized) ?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> mornfall: interesting interview
[04:27] <jjesse> goldenear: yes win2003 server core
[04:27] <goldenear> jpatrick: did you report the file jumping bug ?
[04:27] <jjesse> if i recall correctly
[04:27] <Riddell> mornfall: http://dot.kde.org/1150294952/
[04:27] <jpatrick> goldenear: No
[04:28] <goldenear> jpatrick: do you want I do it ? do you think my explanation is clear enough ?
[04:28] <jpatrick> goldenear: ye
[04:34] <mornfall> Riddell: ack
[04:49] <goldenear> jpatrick: bug reported :)
[04:50] <jpatrick> groovy
[04:50] <goldenear> Also I've find an other bug in metabar
[04:51] <goldenear> when a line is too long, it's continued over the line under it
[04:51] <jpatrick> word-wrap
[04:53] <goldenear> word-wrap will overwrite the next line
[04:53] <OculusAquilae> Who to poke for upload of fix for bug #48103 ?
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48103 in katapult "Katapult don't start with swedish localisation" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48103
[04:55] <\sh> OculusAquilae: I can build the stuff and include the patch...needs to be uploaded to -updates then
[04:56] <goldenear> jpatrick: could you confirm the word-wrap problem ?
[04:56] <jpatrick> I haven't got metabar
[04:57] <OculusAquilae> \sh: would be nice
[04:57] <\sh> Riddell: for updates the distro tag is dapper-updates, right?
[05:00] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[05:00] <Riddell> \sh: what are you updating?
[05:00] <\sh> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/katapult/+bug/48103
[05:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48103 in katapult "Katapult don't start with swedish localisation" [Medium,Unconfirmed]
[05:00] <goldenear> jpatrick: isn't metabar in Konq by default ?
[05:01] <jpatrick> really?
[05:01] <\sh> hmm...how was the versioning scheme ubuntu4.1 or 5?
[05:01] <jpatrick> \sh: 4.1 is for security
[05:02] <\sh> allright, then5
[05:02] <jpatrick> goldenear: doesn't wrap here
[05:02] <goldenear> jpatrick: you mean even if you resize the side panel  ?
[05:03] <Riddell> \sh: either, just so long as we keep edgy above it
[05:03] <Riddell> \sh: you need to get it approved by matt and I should look at it too
[05:03] <jpatrick> goldenear: yep
[05:03] <goldenear> :/
[05:03] <goldenear> jpatrick: are you using kde 3.5.3 ?
[05:04] <\sh> Riddell: I just add the patch and test compile etc. I'll send the source package to you
[05:04] <jpatrick> goldenear: No
[05:04] <\sh> Riddell: you have to upload anyways, or someone with main upload rights
[05:05] <jpatrick> only him
[05:05] <goldenear> jpatrick: so that may be a kde 3.5.3 problem
[05:05] <\sh> Riddell: s/source package/debdiff/
[05:21] <\sh> Riddell: send and bug report updated
[05:22] <\sh> ok...cu tomorrow
[06:19] <kwwii> Riddell: is there some "sharing a room" tool on launchpad?
[06:20] <Riddell> kwwii: no, but I have a spreadsheet, hang on
[06:20] <kwwii> cool :-)
[06:21] <Riddell> you're with aseigo
[06:21] <Riddell> that'll be a noisy room
[06:22] <kwwii> erm, found it anyway
[06:22] <kwwii> it was in the mail that Claire sent
[06:22] <kwwii> sorry to bother
[06:23] <Riddell> cool to have Knopper there
[06:23] <kwwii> yeah, I noticed them
[06:24] <Riddell> Koppers infact
[06:24] <Riddell> Knoppers
[06:24] <kwwii> aaron is more american than an american
[06:24] <kwwii> :-)
[06:24] <Riddell> didn't he grow up in haiwaii?
[06:24] <kwwii> yeah, but the people there are really mellow
[06:24] <Riddell> not aaron :)
[06:30] <kwwii> so...I guess the spreadsheet that you have is a newer version than the one that claire sent
[06:31] <Riddell> don't think so
[06:33] <kwwii> funny, mine doesn't have any room info for the KDE people...but no worries, I am sure we will work it out
[06:33] <Riddell> I must have a newer one from claire then
[06:33] <Riddell> mornfall is with ervin
[06:34] <mornfall> eyup
[06:34] <Riddell> Sime and sebas are together with Ivan krstic
[06:34] <kwwii> cool
[06:49] <yuriy> :-\ http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060612#opinion
[06:50] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[06:51] <OculusAquilae> about bug #48103
[06:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48103 in katapult "Katapult don't start with swedish localisation" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48103
[06:51] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[06:51] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: hi
[06:53] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: To fix it properly we need some bigger changes at the Katapult-Code I think. Also think that this is something for a new Version. These translations shouldn't have been in the original Katapult source-package as well.
[06:56] <Riddell> I don't want to upload a bad fix
[06:56] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: but it is a fix
[06:58] <OculusAquilae> there shouldn't be translations at all
[06:58] <Riddell> why not?
[06:58] <Riddell> those strings are used on screen
[06:58] <OculusAquilae> hm
[06:58] <Riddell> and it is a .desktop file with a Name in it, it will get translated
[06:59] <OculusAquilae> right
[07:01] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: would it be possible to include another variable in the .desktop-file and avoid that it gets translated?
[07:01] <Riddell> sure, anything no in the spec
[07:02] <Riddell> X-KDE-Katapult-Name
[07:02] <Riddell> s/Name/ID/
[07:03] <OculusAquilae> so that wouldn't get imported in the .po-files in kde-svn?
[07:03] <OculusAquilae> i mean ID
[07:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: worth looking at for packaging?  http://www.vandenoever.info/software/kitten/kitten-0.3.0.tar.bz2
[07:41] <marseillai> Riddell: ! it's what i've test since times now!
[07:41] <marseillai> and it's REALLY great!
[07:42] <Riddell> I've not looked at it
[07:42] <marseillai> it doesn't index many sorts of files! but it doesn't leak memory and CPU, it's fast, and development is fast!
[07:43] <marseillai> and index is not too big and there are several backend as clucene eastraier ...
[07:43] <marseillai> but i can not use it on dapper now because it need last eastraier
[07:44] <marseillai> i think that if development continue it could be use in edgy or edgy+1 in replacement of beagle
[07:46] <toma> h
[07:50] <jpatrick> toma: hi
[07:50] <toma> jpatrick: hi!
[07:52] <jpatrick> anyone know what clucene is ?
[07:53] <toma> nee
[07:53] <jpatrick> found it: http://sourceforge.net/projects/clucene/
[07:53] <jpatrick> but it's not in the repos
[07:56] <toma> there is more not in de repositories from sf.net
[07:56] <marseillai> jpatrick: clucene is a backend to create database as mysql or sqlite (if i've well understand)!
[07:56] <marseillai> and you can use eastraier instead of clucene but you need last one!
[07:58] <jpatrick> marseillai: yes, the configure script told me so
[08:00] <marseillai> jpatrick: i advise you to use eastraier instead of clucene! it works fine! clucene as been include since no many times and has not been test enough
[08:00] <jpatrick> marseillai: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/708988
[08:01] <marseillai> jpatrick: /j #kat and ask for vandenover
[08:02] <jpatrick> I'll just do --with-*
[08:09] <jpatrick> Riddell: package made, but I'm so tired and have to study for exam
[08:09] <jpatrick> I'm off
[08:09] <Riddell> jpatrick: no rush, I'm about to go to paris
[08:10] <Riddell> I'll be offline until sunday
[08:10] <jpatrick> see you then
[08:14] <kwwii> Riddell: you are leaving today already?
[08:20] <Riddell> kwwii: sleeper down this evening, taking girlfriend to Paris
[08:21] <kwwii> Riddell: nifty, enjoy your stay, and see you in a few days :-)
[08:22] <mornfall> Riddell: you're going already? :) have a safe/good/etc trip
[08:22] <jjesse> Riddell: have a good trip, wish i could join but due to job change i'll have to miss this one, but next one i'll be at for sure :)
[08:23] <mornfall> jjesse: what about akademy this year?
[08:23] <jjesse> mornfall: haven't thought about that, where's it at?
[08:25] <mornfall> dublin
[08:25] <mornfall> conference2006.kde.org
[08:26] <jjesse> ah
[08:30] <kwwii> funny thing about that site, if you google for akademy, you don't find it :-(
[08:30] <jjesse> thats intersting
[08:31] <kwwii> :p
[08:32] <Riddell> kwwii: hmm, way down below last years sites
[08:38] <kwwii> Riddell: I don't look beyond the first few entries :-)
[08:40] <raphink> hi there
[08:40] <raphink> :)
[08:40] <raphink> my connection at home just got activated today :)
[08:40] <Riddell> raphink: woo!
[08:40] <raphink> so happy :)
[08:40] <raphink> I begin work tomorrow, too :)
[08:40] <Lure> raphink: nice to have you back
[08:40] <raphink> Lure: sure :)
[08:40] <Riddell> jjesse, raphink: seems we are using voip for all the sessions, so you can skive off work and join in the conference
[08:40] <jjesse> wahoo
[08:40] <jjesse> that is awesome
[08:40] <Riddell> Lure too
[08:40] <jjesse> skype you mean?
[08:41] <raphink> skype ?
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: nice...
[08:41] <Riddell> jjesse: not skype but similar
[08:41] <jjesse> is paris gmt time?
[08:41] <Riddell> gmt+2
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: I will try to get at least on laptop related ones...
[08:41] <raphink> Riddell: and where do we find this?
[08:41] <jjesse> wow so that is -6 for me :(
[08:41] <Riddell> raphink: announcement coming shortly
[08:41] <Lure> Riddell: when will be the schedule available?
[08:41] <raphink> ah ok :)
[08:41] <raphink> good
[08:41] <Riddell> Lure: they day before usually
[08:42] <jjesse> so an 9am session would be 3am in the morning for me :(
[08:42] <raphink> I see there are packages in edgy-changes already Riddell
[08:42] <raphink> does that mean we can begin uploading updates ?
[08:42] <Riddell> raphink: no, it's still being bootstapped with the new toolchain
[08:42] <raphink> ok
[08:43] <raphink> I'll begin to prepare new packages
[08:43] <raphink> so they can be uploaded when it's time
[08:43] <raphink> :)
[08:43] <Riddell> raphink: I suspect it won't be generally open until after the summit
[08:43] <raphink> I guess so
[08:43] <raphink> that's in a week and a half
[08:44] <raphink> so most programs won't be changed since then
[08:44] <raphink> is google earth to be packged for ubuntu?
[08:46] <jjesse> you need to have docmentation related meetings in the afternoon, late afternnon :)
[08:46] <crimsun_> raphink: multiverse, perhaps?
[08:46] <raphink> crimsun_: maybe
[08:46] <apachelogger> raphink: Tonio said he'll try packaging it
[08:47] <raphink> ah ok :)
[08:47] <raphink> nice
[08:49] <kwwii> hi raphink
[08:49] <raphink> hi kwwii
[08:49] <kwwii> how's living in the south?
[08:49] <kwwii> will you make it to paris next week?
[08:50] <raphink>  $ dpkg --compare-versions 0.14 lt 0.4 && echo "y" || echo "n"
[08:50] <raphink> n
[08:50] <raphink> ????
[08:50] <raphink> I don't get that
[08:51] <raphink> kwwii: here it's very sunny and bright
[08:51] <raphink> today was horrible because there was a big accident on the highway, so the circulation was stuck everywhere
[08:51] <kwwii> raphink: I can imagine...lucky you :-)
[08:51] <raphink> and no I don't think i'll make it to paris
[08:51] <raphink> I have to tell claire
[08:51] <raphink> since I thought I would, last week
[08:52] <raphink> is that normal that dpkg considers 0.14 is greater than 0.4 ?
[08:52] <seaLne> sounds logical to me
[08:53] <raphink> well I guess it is
[08:53] <raphink> ;)
[08:53] <raphink> sure
[08:53] <apachelogger> ;-)
[08:53] <raphink> haha
[08:53] <raphink> pfiew
[08:53] <raphink> so then I have to try and understand why upstream released 0.4 _after_ 0.13
[08:53] <Riddell> raphink: circulation is what blood does in your body, "traffic" is cars :)
[08:53] <raphink> unless he meant 0.1.3 before and wrote 0.13 mistakenly
[08:54] <raphink> oh yes thanks Riddell
[08:54] <raphink> you can tell 2 hours of jams have just killed my brain ;)
[08:55] <raphink> seems mdz is having fun with groups in LP
[08:56] <Riddell> yes
[08:58] <raphink> it's like "oh no, I'm deactivated", "oh yeah I'm administrator now", "oh no I'm deactivated", etc...
[08:58] <Riddell> mEDUXa will be out in september. By the end of the year will be deployed in
[08:58] <raphink> ;)
[08:58] <Riddell> about 100 primary school's.
[08:58] <Riddell> breaking kubuntu news there
[08:59] <raphink> what is meduxa ?
[08:59] <Riddell> kubuntu derivative in canary islands
[08:59] <raphink> oh nice :)
[08:59] <seaLne> rdale?
[09:00] <Riddell> yes, he's part of it
[09:18] <Tonio_> hello ;)
[09:19] <Riddell> salut Tonio_
[09:19] <Riddell> so Tonio_, I don't think I asked if you had any recommendations for things to do in Paris with a beautiful girl
[09:20] <jjesse> propose at the eiffel tower?
[09:20] <Riddell> that's a good one
[09:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are so many.....
[09:21] <Tonio_> one of the best things to me is to visit paris on "la seine" on a boat
[09:21] <dickhall_> I can think of a bunch of things to do with a beautiful girl, but none of them are Paris specific ;)
[09:21] <Riddell> I'm looking for Paris specific here
[09:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: any canoes on la seine?
[09:21] <dickhall_> I figured as much
[09:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[09:21] <Tonio_> I did that with my girlfriend and we loved it
[09:22] <dickhall_> I heard mixed reviews - one friend's been there for a year and loves it, another pair of friends (a couple) went and didn't enjoy it at all
[09:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: where can you do that?
[09:22] <Tonio_> simply go near la seine (nearby the effeil tower, and there are canoes everywhere
[09:22] <Tonio_> I will give you a bunch of addresses on monday if you want
[09:23] <Riddell> too late by monday, I'm leaving tonight :)
[09:23] <Tonio_> ah !
[09:23] <Tonio_> okay let me search a bit...
[09:23] <Tonio_> how many days do you have ?
[09:24] <Riddell> 2 half days two full days
[09:24] <Tonio_> okay so I would, if I were you, visit "le marais" by evening
[09:25] <Tonio_> it is the gay part of paris, very fashion, very good spirit and opened
[09:25] <Tonio_> concerning the canoes..... let me search a bit
[09:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.bateauxparisiens.com/english/cruise-paris.html
[09:26] <Tonio_> you should have a look at this, it is not that expensive ;)
[09:28] <Tonio_> if you don't know it, you might appreciate to visit les champs lyses (even if I'm not a fan of it !)
[09:28] <Tonio_> one very nice place to visit is "saint germain des prs" too
[09:28] <Tonio_> hard to choose there are so many places....
[09:30] <Tonio_> those are the most romantic places I think....
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: still there ?
[09:33] <Riddell> yo
[09:34] <Riddell> remind me again what les champs lyses is
[09:34] <Tonio_> just a minute (mother on phone)
[09:35] <raphink> hey Tonio_ :)
[09:37] <dickhall_> Riddell: The big arch thing?
[09:38] <dickhall_> well, the avenue, technically
[09:38] <dickhall_> arc de triumph is the arch, I think
[09:40] <RadiantFire> !xgl
[09:40] <Riddell> that sounds aboutright
[09:40] <RadiantFire> oh sorry
[09:40] <RadiantFire> wrong channel
[09:41] <Lure> Riddell: latin quarter is also nice
[09:41] <Tonio_> hey raphinou
[09:41] <DaSkreech> http://www.pariserve.tm.fr/quartier/00champs.htm
[09:43] <DaSkreech> Course that's in French :)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> http://www.pariserve.tm.fr/English/paris/champs.htm
[09:44] <dickhall_> or the old standby, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champs-%C3%89lys%C3%A9es
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: re ;)
[09:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: so les champs lyses is a very big avenue, with the arch on one side and "la concorde" on the other
[09:46] <Tonio_> Riddell:  it is the parisian most visited place after the effeil tower
[09:47] <Tonio_> Lure: you're right, latin quarter is nice too, but I think the gay quarter (le marais) is nicer ;)
[09:47] <rraphink> yo Tonio_
[09:47] <Tonio_> hello rraphink ca va ?
[09:47] <rraphink> ouep
[09:47] <rraphink> j'ai pas connexion internet depuis ce soir
[09:47] <rraphink> :)
[09:47] <rraphink> s/pas/ma/
[09:48] <Tonio_> rraphink: any ideas of the most interesting to visit in paris for a couple ?
[09:48] <DaSkreech> Are all gatherings after a majorrelease called UBZ?
[09:48] <rraphink> I already told Riddell
[09:48] <rraphink> imo
[09:48] <Tonio_> rraphink: I suggested Riddell to visit st germain, and make usage of "les bateaux mouches" ;)
[09:48] <rraphink> I would go to the Quartier Latin, Notre Dame, the Eiffel Tower
[09:48] <rraphink> yes
[09:49] <rraphink> I'd use the bateaux mouches from the Ile St Louis to the Pont de l'Alma
[09:49] <Tonio_> same for me, that's quite nice to do with a girl
[09:49] <rraphink> beginning with the center (St Michel, St Germain, Notre Dame) and joining the Eiffel Tower this way
[09:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: only the perious one
[09:49] <rraphink> then crossing the Pont de l'Alma you can join the Champs Elyses
[09:50] <rraphink> and go down to the Louvre via the Place de la Concorde
[09:50] <rraphink> :)
[09:50] <rraphink> that's a long trip though
[09:50] <Tonio_> yup ;)
[09:50] <Tonio_> but a complete one :)
[09:50] <Lure> how is that old "town" on island on siene called? They have best ice-cream there....
[09:50] <DaSkreech> ok
[09:50] <rraphink> Tonio_: quite complete
[09:50] <DaSkreech> Whats the new one called?
[09:50] <Tonio_> Lure: saint louis
[09:50] <DaSkreech> U?OO!
[09:50] <rraphink> when the weather is not too cloudy, I like to finish the day at the Montparnasse Tower
[09:50] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ if you are for ice cream ;-)
[09:50] <Tonio_> I agree they have incredible icecreams :)
[09:50] <rraphink> going up to the top of the tower
[09:51] <Riddell> I'm already for icecream
[09:51] <rraphink> to see the lights of teh city
[09:51] <rraphink> Tonio_: ah you do, now ? ;)
[09:51] <rraphink> Tonio_: did I convince you, eventualy ?
[09:51] <rraphink> ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> rraphink: shut up please lol :)
[09:51] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu? Oui Oui!
[09:51] <rraphink> hahaha :p
[09:51] <Tonio_> rraphink: not as good as la fraiseraie ;)
[09:51] <rraphink> hehe
[09:51] <Riddell> maps.gogle.fr doesn't know the Montparnasse Tower
[09:51] <rraphink> Tonio_: the best in Paris, though
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ???????
[09:52] <rraphink> Riddell: Tour Montparnasse
[09:52] <Tonio_> hum honnestly, the montparnasse quarter is not that nice
[09:52] <Riddell> nor that
[09:52] <rraphink> Riddell: not possible ...
[09:52] <rraphink> Riddell: the Gare Montparnasse maybe ?
[09:52] <Tonio_> rraphink: comment on dit un cimetire ?
[09:52] <Riddell> ok, got montparnasse
[09:53] <rraphink> Tonio_: the quarter is not nice, except for movies, but going up in the tower is nice
[09:53] <Lure> Tonio_: montparnasse is below the sacre coure?
[09:53] <rraphink> otherwise, going to the big weal of the Louvre is nice in the middle of the day
[09:53] <rraphink> it costs only 5
[09:53] <rraphink> and you can see all around
[09:53] <rraphink> s/weal/wheel/
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: not at all :) the sacr coeur is nearby pigalles (prostitutes place) !
[09:53] <rraphink> Tonio_: cimetery?
[09:53] <rraphink> Lure: not at all
[09:53] <Tonio_> rraphink: thanks ;)
[09:53] <rraphink> Lure: the sacr coeur is to the north of paris
[09:53] <Lure> Tonio_: yep....
[09:54] <rraphink> whereas montparnasse is the south west
[09:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: another very nice place is the pre lachaise cimetery
[09:54] <rraphink> _if_ you like cimeteries
[09:54] <Lure> Tonio_: I have seen cementary in books, but did not understand why I would visit it?
[09:54] <rraphink> or if you're a Doors' fan
[09:54] <rraphink> ;)
[09:54] <Tonio_> it is my favorite place in paris
[09:54] <rraphink> a fan of The Doors I mean
[09:55] <Tonio_> Lure: because it is not like a common place with all those dead people everywhere
[09:55] <Tonio_> it is *really* beautifull
[09:55] <rraphink> Montmartre is very nice, too
[09:55] <rraphink> it''s a very quiet cimetery
[09:56] <rraphink> now people are gonna think French guys like cemeteries
[09:56] <Tonio_> rraphink: le pre lachaise is nicer I think ;)
[09:56] <Lure> I liked Rodin museum and it's garden - also nice place for hot afternoon
[09:56] <rraphink> Tonio_: :p
[09:56] <rraphink> Riddell: if you like museums, you can also go to the Louvre
[09:56] <rraphink> it's pretty cheap on Friday night
[09:56] <rraphink> and open till 1AM I think
[09:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: will you attend the meeting in paris?
[09:57] <rraphink> you could spend entire days in it
[09:57] <Tonio_> kwwii: yes, I'll be there all the week :)
[09:57] <rraphink> kwwii: Tonio_ lives in Paris
[09:57] <Lure> Riddell: but you have been warned that Louvre is HUGE ;-)
[09:57] <rraphink> I'll be getting tanned for all you guys :)
[09:57] <kwwii> raphink: yeah, I knew he lived there, but if he gets time off from work is another matter :-)
[09:57] <raphink> sure kwwii
[09:57] <kwwii> Tonio_: cool, you are now my official translator
[09:58] <kwwii> I will hang on your side the entire time
[09:58] <Tonio_> kwwii: your servant ;)
[09:58] <kwwii> and act very american
[09:58] <kwwii> :p
[09:58] <Tonio_> kwwii: lol
[09:58] <jjesse> dang all this talk about paris is making me wish i could have came :(
[09:58] <jjesse> the next confrence will probablly be in some uncool place :(
[09:58] <jjesse> like detroit :(
[09:58] <Tonio_> raphink: may I suggest barbes to Riddell eventually ? ;)
[09:59] <raphink> hahaha
[09:59] <raphink> et le 13me aussi tant que tu y es
[09:59] <Riddell> jjesse: we don't do conferences in the US
[09:59] <raphink> qu'il ailles se faire dtrousser par la mafia chinoise
[09:59] <Tonio_> raphink: the 13th is nice if you like china, not france ;)
[09:59] <raphink> Tonio_: depends at what time of the day, too ;)
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Is there a way I can get something to run on logoff?
[09:59] <Tonio_> raphink: but I like this place too :)
[09:59] <raphink> Tonio_: sure
[10:00] <jjesse> grin i'm glad
[10:00] <jjesse> that's due to travel restrictions correct?
[10:00] <raphink> I have very good memories of spending the chinese new years in the 13th, and it was very nice
[10:00] <Riddell> DaSkreech: put it in /usr/bin/startkde maybe
[10:00] <Riddell> jjesse: yes
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that clear or did you get too many proposal ?
[10:00] <Lure> Riddell: because of sabdfl's visa problems ;-)?
[10:00] <DaSkreech> Riddell: For logoff?
[10:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: I should go to 13th and say hello to the Chinese Mafia
[10:00] <Riddell> DaSkreech: at the end
[10:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a plan :)
[10:01] <DaSkreech> ok
[10:01] <Riddell> art galleries open to 1am.  now that's style
[10:02] <kwwii> Riddell: you'd love america
[10:02] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:03] <kwwii> ok, back to the game...
[10:03] <Riddell> kwwii: having a shop selling toilet cleaners at 1am isn't the same as being able to see the Mona Lisa
[10:03] <bddebian> hahaha
[10:03] <jjesse> hey just cause walmart is open 24 hours a day
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^^ !!
[10:04] <kwwii> dude, if you gotta take a shit at 4am, it is pretty nice to have a shop that sells toilet paper at that time :p
[10:04] <jjesse> grin you are correct kwwii
[10:04] <kwwii> then again, in germany, the laws are totally different, and I am used to taht
[10:04] <kwwii> that
[10:05] <kwwii> when I moved here, the shops had to close at 18:00 mon-fri, and 14:00 on sat. (sunday was naturally closed)
[10:06] <DaSkreech> Riddell: That's Evil :)
[10:06] <Tonio_> kwwii: wow that's strict !
[10:07] <Tonio_> even french work more than this :)
[10:07] <kwwii> 10 years later they now allow the stores to stay open till 20:00, mon-sat. but in the town I live in they still close earlier, even the big stores
[10:07] <Lure> kwwii: you did not have longThu when it was opened until 20:00? ;-)
[10:07] <kwwii> Lure: nope, they did have an open Sunday twice or so a year
[10:08] <kwwii> although I might have added an ober-franken in between bamberg and Frankonia
[10:09] <Lure> kwwii: you should give us Google Earth coordinate if you wanted to be precise... ;-)
[10:09] <kwwii> most of the stores close at 18:00, the really big ones close at 19:00
[10:09] <kwwii> hehe
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: wouldn't it be senseful to version kopete with 4:3.5.89+kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu1? as with 3.5.3+... a dist-upgrade would remove kopete 0.12 as soon as 3.5.4 is out
[10:16] <DaSkreech> 0.12?
[10:17] <apachelogger> yo
[10:18] <crimsun_> apachelogger: sure you don't mean 4:3.5.89+kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu1?
[10:18] <Tonio_> Lure: if you wanna understand why are some cimetery so famous :
[10:18] <Tonio_> Lure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimetire_du_Pre-Lachaise
[10:18] <crimsun_> apachelogger: surely, rather
[10:18] <apachelogger> where is the differnt to my suggestion?
[10:18] <crimsun_> apachelogger: because 3.5.4 < 3.5.89+kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu1
[10:19] <apachelogger> that's the way I want it
[10:19] <apachelogger> kopete 0.12 includes more features than .5 series
[10:19] <apachelogger> so if someone installs 0.12 he probably wants to keep it
[10:19] <crimsun_> apachelogger: do you mean <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:19] <apachelogger> no, 3.5.89
[10:19] <apachelogger> <IP_ADDRESS> < 3.5.4
[10:20] <apachelogger> but the version has to be higher than 3.5.4
[10:20] <apachelogger> so number of choise is 89
[10:20] <crimsun_> then you definitely don't want 3.5.89
[10:20] <apachelogger> why not?
[10:21] <crimsun_> because then you'd need 3.5.89foo
[10:21] <crimsun_> that's just plain ugly
[10:21] <apachelogger> uh?
[10:21] <Lure> Tonio_: impressive list indeed...
[10:21] <crimsun_> apachelogger: the entire upgrade path has to be considered
[10:22] <apachelogger> aye
[10:22] <Tonio_> Lure: not only the people list is impressive, but the place is nice, sitting in a little forest
[10:22] <apachelogger> first (test) release of KDE 4 will porbably be .90
[10:22] <apachelogger> as it was for 3.4.90 = alpha1 of 3.5
[10:23] <crimsun_> so you want kopete upgraded with 4 "test"?
[10:23] <apachelogger> yep
[10:24] <apachelogger> 0.12 < KDE 4 included
[10:25] <crimsun_> 4:3.5.3+... makes the most sense, since I presume you'll be rebasing periodically anyway (and thus bumping the version)
[10:25] <crimsun_> far future versioning is pretty dangerous
[10:26] <apachelogger> would need a new build at every kde release (or kinda, with every kde release)
[10:26] <DaSkreech> kopete has started coding for KDe4?
[10:26] <apachelogger> hopefully
[10:26] <crimsun_> apachelogger: is kopete guaranteed stable across 3.5.x?
[10:27] <apachelogger> kopete has 2 versions guaranteed stable for 3.5 afaik
[10:27] <apachelogger> the one shipped with 3.5 = 0.11 .. and the Kopete only release 0.12
[10:27] <crimsun_> i.e., can I take the current kopete package and run it in 3.5.2 and in 3.5.90?
[10:27] <apachelogger> while 0.12 will take up features
[10:27] <apachelogger> crimsun_: not in 3.5.90 - that's why I'd like to use .89
[10:28] <apachelogger> 89 will probably be first KDE 4 release
[10:28] <apachelogger> so kopete 0.11 and 0.12 will not run on it
[10:28] <crimsun_> but it's guaranteed to run without rebuild for 3.5.2-3.5."89"?
[10:28] <apachelogger> as any other application is, or?
[10:29] <apachelogger> like, 3.5.x is just bugfix or minimal new features
[10:29] <apachelogger> so nothing which could break kopete
[10:29] <crimsun_> apachelogger: here's my point: If you have to recompile kopete at all across the entire stable 3.5 cycle, then you may as well stick with 3.5.3+foo and keep reversioning.
[10:29] <apachelogger> on the other hand, we could patch 0.12 into kdenetwork - this way it would be rebuilt anyway, and versioning wouldn't be a problem either
[10:32] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Ok When you guys get the deb rolled and passed by Ubuntu will it be put onto kubuntu.org?
[10:33] <apachelogger> I hope so ... else either I or Czessi will drop it at archive.kubuntu.de
[10:36] <apachelogger> crimsun_: gonna ask a kopete dev as soon as I find one ;-)
[10:36] <apachelogger> btw, 1.0 is in trunk and sort of working with jabber and aim
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: we'll not make new kopete packages from kdenetwork
[10:37] <apachelogger> oh, ok :)
[10:37] <apachelogger> best solution I guess
[10:37] <DaSkreech> THe next kopete is 1.0?
[10:37] <apachelogger> yep (part of KDE 4)
[10:53] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes, we'll upload o edgy and get it backported
[10:53] <Riddell> in the men time packages are at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Cool :)
[10:54] <Riddell> DaSkreech: why?
[10:54] <DaSkreech> Cause it's just barely usable for me
[10:55] <apachelogger> ok, final modifications are done and package builds fine here
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Today I was trying to start a protocol to get help with soemthing cause the mouse had burnt out and couldn't
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Stuff like that
[11:05] <apacheLAGger> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2435
[11:16] <kwwii> google earth rocks
[11:20] <kwwii> lucky you :-)
[11:21] <kwwii> looks a bit warmer than here
[11:23] <kwwii> I could tell that by the accent :p
[11:25] <kwwii> I lived with a guy from austria and I do not think we understood one word we were saying, although we were both speaking german
[11:25] <marseillai> kwwii: yes! and swimming pool is at 30 today! :)
[11:25] <apachelogger> kwwii: austrians sometimes doesn't understand austrians
[11:26] <kwwii> apachelogger: :-)
[11:26] <apachelogger> s/doesn't/don't
[11:26] <kwwii> marseillai: dude, on the radio they keep bitching about how hot is here, about how it is going to get up to 30
[11:26] <apachelogger> finally :D
[11:28] <kwwii> I bought tickets home (america) for 4 weeks in June with my son, I am afraid that he won't be able to handle it
[11:28] <kwwii> germans are funky when it comes to weather..they like winter
[11:28] <kwwii> cause that is what they have 9 months of the year
[11:29] <kwwii> :p
[11:30] <apachelogger> lol
[11:31] <raphink> kwwii: the German people who stay there do like it it seems
[11:32] <raphink> the other ones come here ;)
[11:34] <apachelogger> hm
[11:34] <kwwii> :-)
[11:35] <apachelogger> in case you wonder what I'm doing when I'm not online http://picasaweb.google.com/sitter.harald/IIIAHAK20052006/photo#4940346702695759890  ;-)
[11:35] <kwwii> my old german boss used to say "never trust a german on vacation"
[11:35] <apachelogger> ohh, true words that are
[11:37] <DaSkreech> 500 Error apachelogger
[11:39] <apachelogger> beta it is ;-)
[11:39] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: http://picasaweb.google.com/sitter.harald works?
[11:40] <DaSkreech> You are K?
[11:40] <DaSkreech> Usually Google Error :)
[11:40] <DaSkreech> Usual
[11:41] <apachelogger> phew
[11:41] <apachelogger> new google services always bug around
[11:43] <DaSkreech> And they don't like Safari :)
[11:43] <DaSkreech> KDE must be banned at Google or something
[11:47] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: well, the focus on supporting main stream IE and there personal main stream (firefox) - but those two as good as possible
[11:48] <apachelogger> that's why I mostly use firefox for google services
[11:49] <DaSkreech> yup
[11:49] <apachelogger> s/there/their
[11:49] <apachelogger> somehow my english sux a lot today ;-)
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Understood
[11:50] <DaSkreech> Second time I read it but ...
[11:50] <DaSkreech> sucks?
[11:50] <apachelogger> yucks