[07:17] <diplo> Morning all
[08:22] <MooDoo> howdy all
[08:26] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:31] <MooDoo> howdy brobostigon how are you on this fine day?
[08:32] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo, not bad and you?
[08:32] <MooDoo> yes ok thanks :D just figured out some 4gl code which was doing my head in  :)
[08:32] <brobostigon> :)
[09:08] <foobarry> now all my printouts come with an extra page "save pdf to evernote"
[09:58] <daftykins> they're murdering trees :(
[10:02] <MooDoo> huh?
[10:04] <daftykins> what foobarry said, some addon pointing to evernote wasting paper
[10:04] <MooDoo> ah right :)
[10:56] <foobarry> https://imgur.com/a/ocKJx had to use windows for expenses form. can't click sign out or cancel
[10:56] <foobarry> its just stuck there
[10:56] <foobarry> and its a VDI
[10:56] <MooDoo> windows is driving me insane at the moment.
[10:57] <daftykins> in what way?
[10:58] <MooDoo> machine hangs, inability to restart [last time i restarted the machine it took 45 mins, ok ok so it's insider build but wow i'm starting to loathe windows
[10:58] <daftykins> that's definitely akin to running 17.10 or 18.04 and moaning :)
[10:59] <daftykins> neither are normal setups really
[11:00] <daftykins> ah and the castle cannon sounds mid-day
[11:03] <MooDoo> I'm using 17.10 and it's really good at the moment, not had a single problem with it ;d
[11:03] <MooDoo> :)
[11:03] <daftykins> that's why i said the next, since that's had some time ;)
[11:04] <MooDoo> I may look stupid, but not ready for 18:04, normally upgrade a month before release as it's generally quite good by then....
[13:31] <diddledan> http://bit.ly/2eKOFpa
[13:31] <diddledan> daftykins: kitten-porn: https://twitter.com/bonebonebot/status/910496627932254214
[13:32] <MooDoo> it's laughable they will remove encryption
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> they're clueless eejits who have no idea what it's for
[13:33] <diddledan> also: http://www.politico.eu/article/theresa-may-tech-firms-must-remove-extremist-content-within-two-hours/
[13:33] <zmoylan-pi> but these days i just don't store my data in the cloud... too many unknowns as to who can access it
[13:34] <zmoylan-pi> but cheques still need 3 working days to clear?
[13:36]  * SuperMatt sighs
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> they simply don't understand the sheer amount of data that needs to be processed...
[13:37] <daftykins> diddledan: i'd hate to see the injuries trying to put an outfit on my cat
[13:37] <diddledan> how much video is posted onto youtube per minute these days?
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> i was listening to bbc podcast on chinese firewall... 2m people employed in making it work...
[13:37] <SuperMatt> I don't care about the removal of extremist content, my issue is the fact that there will be so many false positives caught in the crossfire with no easy means to challenge them.
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> lots of people false reporting stuff they disagree with, knowing it will be taken down under stupid law with no repurcussion
[13:38] <SuperMatt> Not to mention it's targetting a symptom of extremism, rather than the cause
[13:38] <diddledan> SuperMatt: exactly. the tweet I got that link from says rougly "T.May wants censorship by algorithm"
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> https://act.openmedia.org/FiveEyesSaveEncryption
[13:38] <SuperMatt> If I type cat in to google photos, google does a great job of finding cats. The thing is though, it doesn't matter if there are false positives
[13:38] <zmoylan-pi> whoops wrong channel, sorry
[13:39] <diddledan> you just have to look at the problem LGBTQIA+ videos on youtube being demonetised just for mentioning the word "lesbian" in the title
[13:39] <SuperMatt> that's sucky
[13:39] <daftykins> D:
[13:39] <daftykins> how rude
[13:39] <diddledan> when challenged a youtube rep said "we have no idea why they're demonetised. it's not a corporate decision" (paraphrase)
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> were there's a system there are feckers who will game that system for malice and profit
[13:40] <SuperMatt> !swearing
[13:40] <diddledan> flippers?
[13:40] <zmoylan-pi> which is why i used the word fecker... so polite even a priest in ireland would say it...
[13:40] <diddledan> frak
[13:40] <SuperMatt> you're right!
[13:40] <SuperMatt> I misread it, and I'm sorry
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> np
[13:41] <diddledan> haha
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> it also has a nice guttural pronounciation you can get behind...
[15:19] <m0nkey_> I never, ever, EVER want to work on legacy perl and php code EVER AGAIN!
[15:35] <DJones> Hmmh, the moment when you realise that your new job involves selling drugs in bulk and you have to spend 2 days researching exporting reefers........
[15:36] <DJones> Quite why the sale of controlled drugs would be done via what is called "reefers" is beyond me
[15:38] <DJones> Just seems a very wierd coincidence
[15:38]  * DJones waits for dr danfish
[15:40] <diplo> I have to work with legacy perl and sometimes php4 code at times :(
[15:42] <DJones> In a way, I'm glad I stopped programming when COBOL went out of fashion, if not I'd be working for a bank writing security patches for 30 year old code
[15:43] <DJones> All I can remember about it now is "Identification division"
[15:44] <DJones> !new S A Stephenson - [Convergence 01] - Rogue (epub).rar
[15:44] <DJones> Grr
[15:48] <diplo> hah DJones
[15:54] <diddledan> DJones: was that meant for <insert warez channel here>?
[15:54] <diddledan> (am I showing my age by referring to warez?)
[15:58] <DJones> Heh
[17:11] <daftykins> diddledan: not at all!
[17:11] <daftykins> well ok maybe a bit
[19:42] <MooDoo> evening all
[19:44] <daftykins> \o
[20:14] <diddledan> do the winkelvoss twins refer to their bits as their winkelvoss?
[20:16] <daftykins> it's when they need to take a tinkle that things get confusing
[20:16] <diddledan> and if it was small, it'ld be dinkle
[20:18] <diddledan> apparently the iphone OMG-X, which isn't available, is going to be not available..!? https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/20/iphone-x-production-further-delays/
[20:19] <MooDoo> who cares it's apple, I know loads of people that's downloaded iOS 11 and it's bricked their phone...ooops
[20:19] <daftykins> and reviewers of the new watch have found they can't connect to LTE services ;D
[20:19] <diddledan> \o/ doorstop!
[20:19] <diddledan> I read that the LTE issue is actually a long-standing watch problem that nobody noticed until LTE came along
[20:20] <daftykins> o rry
[20:23] <diddledan> here ya go: https://www.imore.com/how-your-apple-watch-connects-wi-fi-networks-when-away-your-iphone
[20:26] <daftykins> thank ye
[20:29] <daftykins> i've not heard the term 'interstitial login' before
[20:29] <daftykins> only 'captive portal'
[20:30] <diddledan> interstitial is an advertising/marketing term
[21:14] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/shatterfront/status/816065700577972224
[21:17] <daftykins> XD
[22:40] <diddledan> where's mount.msdos or mount.fat?!
[22:40] <diddledan> dosfstools is installed
[22:41] <diddledan> apt-file says no package is available to provide it


[05:36] <spm> http://www.drive.com.au/used-cars/lotus/elise/sydney/detail.aspx?id=28665759&lid=28665759&pg=1&pp=3&d=0&SG=-648505432&pt=1 <== poolie, is there something you're not telling us?
[05:37] <poolie> :)
[05:38] <poolie> http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=10735936&keywords=&trecs=200057&__sid=131D45747131&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&seot=1&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282&silo=1011#
[05:41] <spm> some missed a decimal place....
[06:33] <poolie> i don't know about them
[06:33] <poolie> it seems very oddly specific
[06:48] <spm> algorithmic updates gone bad?
[06:50] <poolie> could be
[06:50] <poolie> some weird attempt at SEO by making them sort to the top?
[07:05] <jam1> morning all
[07:16] <poolie> hi jam
[07:23] <vila> hey jam, hey gang !
[07:32] <Riddell> hola
[07:37] <jelmer> Goeiesmorgens deze morgen!
[07:46] <poolie> hi riddell, jelmer
[07:52] <Merwin> Hi. I just did a merge and got a "Contents conflict" in some files, but there is no ">>>" things to resolve in the file, and only a .BASE and .OTHER files, what should I do ?
[07:54] <poolie> Merwin: it may have been added with different contents on different branches
[07:54] <poolie> so see if they're different
[07:54] <poolie> then probably 'bzr mv foo.BASE foo' and then edit it to taste
[07:54] <Merwin> ok I'll make a diff on BASe and OTHER to check
[07:56] <Merwin> There is a difference, something changed in .OTHER
[07:56] <Merwin> Isn't it better to take .OTHER as reference ?
[07:58] <Merwin> I meav, replace xxx with xxx.OTHER?
[07:58] <Merwin> mean*
[08:03] <mgz> morning all
[08:09] <Riddell> good morning Norwich
[08:15] <mgz> :)
[08:26] <poolie> hi mgz
[08:35] <mgz> does the package importer still need sorting out?
[08:35] <poolie> in general yes :)
[08:35] <poolie> i'm not aware of any critical issues but i also haven't looked today
[08:36] <poolie> i think dpkg did import
[08:38] <mgz> okay.
[09:18] <jelmer> poolie, mgz: thanks for the reviews!
[09:19] <jelmer> I managed to get the number of failing tests from running bzr's interface tests against bzr-svn down to 9 over the weekend
[09:19] <jelmer> with 3 underlying remaining issues, one of which is the get_revision_delta thing I mailed the list about
[09:19] <mgz> Riddell: how do we land things for qbzr? merge to trunk and push?
[09:19] <mgz> jelmer: cool
[09:27] <awilkins> jelmer, How well does the gnome-keyring support in bzr-gtk work with bzr-svn ?
[09:27] <Riddell> mgz: yes just so, no pqm or the like
[09:28] <mgz> thanks!
[09:32] <jelmer> awilkins: IIRC there were some issues, somebody worked on a patch to improve it but I'm not sure what the status of that is
[09:32] <jelmer> awilkins: https://code.launchpad.net/~chy-causer/bzr-gtk/fix-svn-keyring/+merge/60817
[09:35] <awilkins> jelmer, I think I've avoided this so far because something always forces plaintext auth storage in SVN, but I've just installed oneiric and I don't think that thing has forced this yet
[09:37] <awilkins> Comparing the ~/.subversion auth configs for this repo, the old one uses plain, the new one uses gnome-keyring, and my old SVN config has an empty list for the password stores (which I think is set by something that prompts you to do so automatically)
[09:38] <awilkins> Shall try this patch, it's v.small
[09:40] <jelmer> awilkins: please do comment on whether the patch works for you
[09:40] <jelmer> I should really take some time to review it
[09:46] <awilkins> jelmer, It didn't work for me ; but it may be because I'm using an explicit svn+https:// url
[09:47] <awilkins> jelmer, I need to look and see but for now I've reverted the SVN config back to the old plain auth file
[09:47] <jelmer> awilkins: ok, thanks for letting me know
[09:48] <awilkins> jelmer, Have to use that explicit URL because this repo emits server errors instead of 404s if you as for .bzr smart URIs
[09:48] <jelmer> awilkins: have you tried https recently? bzr-svn now probes before the bzr smart server
[09:48] <awilkins> Not tried that recently, I'll have to have a go at it
[09:51] <mgz> ha, I'm not actually a member of qbzr developers
[09:51] <mgz> perhaps I should ask Alexander if I can join.
[10:04] <jelmer> mgz: you should :)
[10:35] <awilkins> jelmer, Here's a case - another user is using SVN to perform merges outward from trunk. Have pulled his branch and subsequently merged outward also ; lots of "duplicate" conflicts. Looking in the SVN log, the files were copied correctly by the SVN merge (as hardlinks in the SVN FSFS) and preserve history - they should have the same file-id and not conflict, no?
[10:35] <jelmer> awilkins: no, as bzr doesn't support copies
[10:37] <awilkins> jelmer, But it does support adding files to separate branches with the same file-id ; it should already know about these files in the repository because they are copies from a branch I have already pulled.
[10:37] <awilkins> They are not copies within the scope of the branch, they are copies from the other branch for the purposes of the merge outward by the SVN client
[10:38] <jelmer> awilkins: sure, but they have a different file id - and file ids are the only thing that's used to prove that two files are in fact the same by bzr merge
[10:39] <jelmer> awilkins: until copy support is added to bzr, I don't see how this would work
[10:40] <awilkins> jelmer, Should it be possible to assign them the same file id though - SVN knows the file is a copy ; if in that case, we assign the file-id based on the copied-from file rather than the place it was copied to, the file-id will be the same (if the file is not modified at the same time it is copied, it is the same file - right down to the inode in the SVN repository)
[10:40] <jelmer> awilkins: bzr-svn doesn't have access to the inode information in the svn repository, that's not exposed by the svn protocol
[10:41] <jelmer> awilkins: it could do analysis to see if the file was only copied and then scan history to see no other copies are left around
[10:41] <awilkins> jelmer, the svn log viewer knows it's a copy from a particular branch / revision
[10:41] <awilkins> Would it be possible to infer from that?
[10:41] <jelmer> awilkins: yes, but we can only keep the file id if it is the *only* copy
[10:41] <jelmer> and that's the tricky bit
[10:44] <awilkins> Does that hold for the more specific case  "we can keep the file id if it is the only copy in the current inventory" ?
[10:45] <jelmer> awilkins: yes, but note that it can be hard to determine that too
[10:46] <awilkins> I feel like I'm missing something - the inventory has the list of all it's file-ids in .. what's the difficult case (I know too little about internals)
[10:46] <jelmer> awilkins: what if a file is being copied in from elsewhere, how do you know its file id?
[10:47] <jelmer> awilkins: you have to do the same analysis all over again for all inventories it has ever been part of
[10:47] <jelmer> awilkins: and at each step determine whether or not it could keep its id
[10:49] <awilkins> This is becoming more complex than I have time for... :-( git does better at this because the objects are the same (same content) but of course not at explicit renaming.
[10:50] <jelmer> right
[10:50] <awilkins> But I prefer bzr-svn because it makes pushing much less ... fraught
[10:50] <jelmer> git doesn't store renames or copies and always infers them later on, so it doesn't matter how they were in svn
[10:50] <awilkins> I don't like the git-svn design of storing metadata in the git commit log which is an effective rewrite of your git branch which ruins it for sharing with people
[10:50] <jelmer> bzr should support inferring renames from copies (that's basically what you're asking for), but I really think that support should be in bzr core, and not in bzr-svn
[10:51] <jelmer> and that shouldn't have to involve the file ids staying the same, as keeping the file ids the same has a lot of performance impact
[10:52] <awilkins> I shall just have to browbeat the person doing the merges into using bzr :-)
[10:52] <awilkins> For the time being....
[11:16] <jelmer> awilkins: did you see my last few lines?
[11:24] <awilkins> The bit about inferring renames from copies?
[11:25] <awilkins> Last log I have from you was at 1100 UTC when you rejoined the channel
[11:26] <awilkins> jelmer, Sorry, forgot to prefix see above ^
 awilkins: it's one of the things I would really like to work on, and we're slowly getting rid of the assumptions in the code that two files that are the same necessarily have the same file id everywhere
 that is, not abandoning file ids to prove equivalency in inter-tree operations, but allowing them to be different despite two files being the same
[11:37] <awilkins> jelmer, So a slightly more enlightened merge that knows two files with the same path and same content but with different file-id might not be a merge conflict?
[11:37] <jelmer> awilkins: right
[11:52] <Riddell> how can I forcibly create the conditions where I have to run bzr break-lock?
[11:53] <Riddell> the bzr server seems very good at not lockings, it seems I can even push to the same repository from two places at the same time
[11:55] <jelmer> Riddell: I suspect just opening a write lock and not unlocking should be sufficient
[11:56] <jelmer> Riddell: have you looked at bzrlib/tests/blackbox/test_break_lock.py for inspiration?
[11:59] <Riddell> good idea
[12:12] <spiv> Riddell: python -c "from bzrlib.bzrdir import BzrDir; b = BzrDir.open('some/path').open_branch(); b.lock_write(); b.leave_lock_in_place()"
[12:16] <mgz> ah, neat spiv, I thought it was more of a pain than that.
[12:23] <Riddell> spiv: thanks, I'd worked that out :)
[12:50] <vila> hu ho, what happened to the package importer ?
[12:54] <vila> mgz: any idea ^ ?
[12:55] <vila> It looks like someone killed it.  Should I just restart it ?
[13:04] <mgz> vila: I stopped it as part of the release process
[13:04] <vila> oh, ok
[13:04] <mgz> and after build-distro failed, no one was sure if it was safe to restart or not
[13:05] <vila> what's build-distro ? An lp thing ?
[13:05] <mgz> so, it's waiting for someone who knows what they're doing to take over
[13:05] <mgz> yeah, basically making new branches for the P-series
[13:06] <vila> hmm, I think wgrant did it last time
[13:06] <vila> probably sleeping right now
[13:06] <mgz> I have a log of the output that gnuoy got, with some warnings about stacking then an uninformative error at the end
[13:07] <mgz> wgrant is who told me to look at the log.
[13:07] <mgz> so, I guess we still don't have anyone who actually understands this? :)
[13:07] <vila> oh, so something failed on lp, ok
[13:07] <vila> hmm
[13:19] <mgz> I think I worded my question about this to poolie poorly this morning, he didn't seem to think there was an issue
[13:20] <mgz> so, I probably should write up a summary and send it to some list (which?) so anyone concerned knows where we ar
[13:20] <mgz> +e
[13:20] <Riddell> canonical-bazaar and lauchpad-dev maybe
[13:21] <mgz> thanks Riddell, I'll do that now.
[13:23] <mgz> I see from ubuntu-devel cjwatson fixed (a different) issue with syncpackage
[13:24] <mgz> that's completely unrelated I think.
[13:24] <vila> may be not
[13:24] <cjwatson> it is completely unrelated
[13:25] <vila> ha
[13:25] <vila> :)
[13:25] <vila> cjwatson: you didn't create any precise branch on lp ?
[13:26] <cjwatson> loads of precise branches have been created (though not by me personally)
[13:26] <cjwatson> the question was whether that process has definitely been completed, not whether it was started
[13:27] <vila> cjwatson: yup, AIUI, the process failed midway, so I was wondering if some branches were created later and may have fixed the original issue
[13:27] <cjwatson> no idea, sorry
[13:27] <vila> np, thanks anyway
[13:28] <DonDiego> moin
[13:28] <DonDiego> i have trouble with ~/.bazaar/rules not working as promised
[13:29] <DonDiego> wildcard rules appear to override more specific rules before them, contrary to what the documentation claims
[13:29] <DonDiego> is this some sort of known problem?
[13:39] <mgz> DonDiego: I think this may be a sort-of known issue with conf sections, but I don't see a bug entry for .bazaar/rules so I'd file a bug
[14:00] <redwyre> when using bzr-svn to push to an empty svn depo, should I be getting correct times and authors?
[14:01] <DonDiego> author will be the svn commit nick and not the real author (if they are not the same)
[14:01] <DonDiego> mgz: thanks, will do
[14:03] <redwyre> shouldn't it keep the original authors of the changes?
[14:04] <mgz> hm, the prediction of fullermd on friday came true.
[14:04] <mgz> okay, I've sent a message to launchpad-dev containing the sum total of my knowledge related to the stopped package importer
[14:06] <DonDiego> redwyre: impossible, svn does not differentiate between author and committer - you could add the author to the log message, that's all
[14:08] <redwyre> svn calls it author
[14:09] <redwyre> but in my case all the svn change lists have the account I used to push as the author
[14:09] <redwyre> not their original authors
[14:11] <DonDiego> what is your question then?
[14:12] <redwyre> how do I get it to push with original authors and timestamps
[14:20] <DonDiego> still impossible with svn
[14:22] <redwyre> how so?
[14:24] <DonDiego> i repeat: svn does not differentiate between author and committer
[14:24] <mgz> bazaar stores more information than svn, if you put your bzr repo in svn some of that information isn't represented by the svn format
[14:24] <mgz> I think it's actually kept as hidden properties though.
[14:25] <mgz> the alternative is dpush, which does throw away information, but might do the right thing with your commit id.
[14:25]  * fullermd is a cheenius.
[14:25] <mgz> you're a little ray of sunshine is what you are.
[14:26] <fullermd> I know.  It's my finest quality.
[14:26] <redwyre> I know I can't have author *and* commiter, but all I care about is author from bzr
[14:27] <jelmer> redwyre: how are you pushing to svn?
[14:27] <jelmer> redwyre: there is an option in bzr-svn that allows you to have svn:author set to the bzr author or committer
[14:29] <redwyre> bzr push ~/svn/trunk
[14:29] <redwyre> how do I get access to this option?
[14:31] <jelmer> redwyre: the option is called "override-svn-revprops"
[14:32] <jelmer> redwyre: see the bzr-svn FAQ
[14:40] <redwyre> ah cool, does that work for the timestamps as well?
[14:41] <jelmer> IIRC yes, if you set svn:date
[14:43] <jelmer> arguably these options need better documentation
[14:43] <redwyre> I think that FAQ should be part of the online docs ;)
[14:44] <jelmer> redwyre: I don't think there are bzr-svn online docs..
[14:45] <redwyre> this: http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/ForeignBranches/Subversion
[14:46] <jelmer> ah, the wiki
[15:20] <redwyre> jelmer: thanks for your help, I'll let you know how it goes tomorrow
[15:21] <jelmer> redwyre: np
[22:14] <michaelh1> Hi there.  How can I pull a commit from a tree into a vendor branch and re-use the author, comment, etc?
[22:14] <lifeless> replay
[22:22] <poolie> hi all
[22:24] <michaelh1> That's a tricky one to find.  The hidden replay command from bzr-rewrite...
[22:28] <poolie> hi all, hi michaelh1
[22:28] <michaelh1> Hi poolie
[22:28] <maxb> Note that replay constructs a history-rewritten version of a commit, rather than merging and committing re-using the original commit's metadata
[22:28] <maxb> that may or may not be what you want, I don't quite know from your initial question
[22:29] <michaelh1> Hmm.  Here's the situation:
[22:29] <michaelh1>  * Upstream is crosstool-NG and is hosted in Mercurial
[22:29] <michaelh1>  * We work upstream, sending many small patches.  Using Mercurial is fine for this
[22:29] <michaelh1>  * I need a product/vendor branch for release workings and non-upstreamable stuff
[22:30] <michaelh1>  * Upstream is mirrored down into a Launchpad/bzr branch
[22:30] <poolie> hi maxb
[22:31] <michaelh1>  * I want to minimise the overhead of pulling in upstream to our product branch but would prefer to keep the top level history.
[22:31] <michaelh1> bzr merge is fine, but retyping the message might be longer than the patch!
[22:32] <maxb> right... so you really want something that prepopulates the commit message from the revision(s) being merged
[22:32] <maxb> I'd like something like that too :-)
[22:33] <maxb> Doesn't seem like it would be hard to write as a plugin
[22:33] <maxb> I'm pretty sure all the hooks are there for it
[22:35] <wgz> I think I've even seen vila use something along those lines, though maybe his looked at NEWS or such like.
[22:35] <michaelh1> In some ways I want the product branch to be an overlay of trunk, but I can't see how to make it usable day-to-day.
[22:35] <wgz> and as the antipodes are up, it must be bed time.
[22:35] <poolie> hi there, sleep well
[22:36] <poolie> michaelh1: can you expand on that last bullet point?
[22:37] <wgz> night!
[22:37] <michaelh1> Yip.  So upstream is quite stable and using tip is fine.  This is nice as our release could be tip + things that are in flight + local only changes.
[22:38] <michaelh1> Having a product branch gives control, but this means that the workflow is:
[22:39] <michaelh1> Develop upstream, post, upstream merges, appears in bzr mirror, manual merge out to product branch
[22:40] <poolie> so the product branch is a bzr branch, separate from the main import?
[22:40] <michaelh1> Yip.  That seems best?  The import is supposed to be a mirror of upstream.
[22:41] <michaelh1> I still want control of when 3rd party changes come into the product branch
[22:41] <poolie> so you want every revision on trunk to appear as one mainline revision in your product branch, but also there'll be some other changes in between them?
[22:43] <michaelh1> If I make a change upstream and they accept it, I want to pull it into our bzr product branch very cheaply.
[22:43] <michaelh1> (also, what they commit may be a tweak over what was sent)
[22:43] <poolie> so you could have just one commit to your product branch saying 'merge from trunk'
[22:43] <poolie> but, then the product branch main line will look bad
[22:44] <michaelh1> Ugly, yeah.
[22:44] <poolie> and do you want one commit on the product branch every time you merge, or one for each thing from trunk?
[22:45] <poolie> either way it sounds pretty feasible; the first perhaps a bit easier
[22:45] <michaelh1> I could script it so that it pulls the summary line from the import so it becomes 'Merge r1234: cc/gcc: add the latest foo" and then you get detail through bzr log --include-merges
[22:46] <michaelh1> There's two types of merge: pulling my feature in vs re-syncing with mainline.  I'm happy for the re-sync to lump revisions and have a unhelpful comment.
[22:49] <poolie> right
[22:49] <poolie> possibly just scripting it, even from bash, would be enough
[22:49] <poolie> if you file a bug we could do a more integrated thing, especially if this is a pressing problem
[22:51] <michaelh1> It's not pressing but we're just starting and I want to make sure the process is right.
[23:01] <poolie> k


[10:51] <caribou> Hi, I'm working on the following bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dante/+bug/857598
[10:51] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 857598 in dante (Ubuntu) "socksify fails to run" [Undecided,In progress]
[10:52] <caribou> I would need a task for precise as I will also propose a fix for precise as part of another bug I'm working on
[10:54] <caribou> I have also taken the liberty to switch it to In Progress as I've assigned myself to it
[10:54] <caribou> not sure if it  was to proper thing to do
[10:55] <jibel> caribou, done and assigned to you
[10:55] <caribou> jibel: merci
[10:55] <jibel> caribou, if you're working on it in progress is the right status
[10:56] <caribou> jibel: that's what I thought
[10:56] <jibel> for reference https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[14:18] <caribou> What should I do if I have a debdiff that fixes two separate bugs ?
[14:18] <caribou> attach it to both bugs ?
[20:00] <phillw> Hi good people, can someone check out bug 1200304 and get any private data removed so that it can be made public.
[20:00] <phillw> The request comes from the OP
[20:14] <jtaylor> op can make it public himself
[20:15] <jtaylor> and I think he can also read and remove his own data
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> ^ that
[20:16] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  ^
[20:16] <phillw> jtaylor: I'll ask that he does.
[20:16] <jtaylor> strangely I can't even see the bug
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor:  nor I which is suspicious
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> or suggests something broke
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> or maybe its one of the packages or projects bugcontrol doesn't have access to
[20:17] <hggdh> not really. It all depends on how the bug was opened, and against what
[20:17] <hggdh> ^
[20:17]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[20:18] <hggdh> anyway, phillw ^ we cannot see it
[20:18] <TheLordOfTime> so the OP will have to remove the data, or wait until someone who can see it can get to it
[20:18] <hggdh> yep
[20:18] <TheLordOfTime> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:18]  * TheLordOfTime checks something
[20:19] <phillw> I've asked the OP to mark it as public, but I'm a little concerned that in doing so, it could reveal private information that should not be made public before having such data removed....
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  he should go through the data and remove it himself
[20:19] <phillw> He is a tester, not a programmer!
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> hehe
[20:20] <hggdh> phillw: it might, indeed. But since we cannot see it -- not even to know what is in there --, there is not much we can do. If you could find from the OP what he opened the bug against, we then could find who would have access
[20:20] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[20:21] <hggdh> like, opened against upstream as opposed to an Ubuntu package, marked the bug as a security issue (which means only the security team can see it), etc
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> yep
[20:23] <phillw> I've copied this chat to the OP, not too sure which time zone he is on, so I will await a reply. Thanks for your help.
[20:25] <hggdh> phillw: glad to help, even if we did not actually helped...
[20:25] <hggdh> oh, bad tense. Ah well.  So that I would not feel alone, and all that :-)
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  autocorrect on the iOS is decent at doing its actual jonbn
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> job*
[20:36] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: THANK YOU!
[20:36]  * hggdh now has company
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[20:37]  * TheLordOfTime goes back to figuring out an FTBFS problem in non-Ubuntu software.
[20:49] <phillw> the bug is against lightdm
[21:03] <hggdh> phillw: not lightdm(Ubuntu), but just lightdm, right?
[21:03] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh:  is it against "lightdm (Ubuntu)"  or just the lightdm project
[21:03] <TheLordOfTime> because if it's the second of those i don't think bugcontrol has access
[21:03] <phillw> hggdh: lightdm(Ubuntu)
[21:04] <hggdh> then it was probably masked as a security bug
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> ehh whatever i was going to say is bleh
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> that's probably it then
[21:04] <hggdh> cuz otherwise we would have access to it
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> private security i think needs sec team
[21:04] <TheLordOfTime> security*
[21:04] <hggdh> yes. They are the only ones that can see them
[21:05] <phillw> the screen shot is at http://imagebin.org/264322
[21:06] <hggdh> phillw: oh, OK, it is a crash. Only apport retracing has access to it right now
[21:06] <phillw> who are they? :)
[21:06] <hggdh> phillw: others will only have access *after* initial apport processing
[21:07] <hggdh> phillw: they who?
[21:07] <phillw> apport retracing
[21:07] <hggdh> phillw: when a crash bug is opened, the bug is restricted -- the presence of a coredump is more than enough to make it restricted
[21:08] <phillw> So, what advice should I give to the OP?
[21:08] <hggdh> so only an internal back-office process -- the apport retracing utility -- has access to the bug. When the retracing is done, the coredump is deleted, and the bug is accessible for some
[21:09] <hggdh> phillw: tell him/her to please wait. The bug should NOT be made public right now
[21:09] <phillw> okies, again - thanks
[21:09] <hggdh> phillw: after we have the retracing done, we can look at it, and see if it is good to be public
[23:08] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: could you have a read of a new section https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#My_bug_is_marked_private to see if it is factually correct, thanks.
[23:09] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  someone else can, I'm busy atm yelling at PayPal
[23:09] <phillw> okies!
[23:10] <pleia2> phillw: have a moment for a quick PM?
[23:10] <phillw> Hi, can someone from bug-squad check on if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview#My_bug_is_marked_private is factually correct, i
[23:10] <phillw> pleia2: always :)


[02:48] <KB1JWQ> Statix138 is certainly entertaining about it, but he's trolling up a storm.
[02:50] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Thanks.  I didn't want to step on toes by doing it myself. :-p
[02:50] <Pici> KB1JWQ: Thanks for the heads up
[02:50] <KB1JWQ> Pici: No worries.
[02:51] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Going forward, I should do the same thing, I presume?  Not sure how staff / Ubuntu ops interaction normally flows, so I'll defer to you.
[02:51] <Pici> KB1JWQ: Just poke us in here or use !ops.
[02:51] <KB1JWQ> Certainly.
[02:51] <KB1JWQ> Thanks!
[02:51] <Pici> Er, I guess someone is going to get pissed at me for hilighting them in here... oops.
[02:54]  * stew is very angry
[02:54] <stew> heh, not really
[03:02] <Pici> stew: Do you have a moment to take care of #ubuntu-server ?
[03:03] <stew> Pici: I have a moment, what's up?
[03:03] <Pici> stew: I don't have explicit access there, but I should be listed as one of our new group contacts and theres a troll that I just banned from #ubuntu in there currently.
[03:04] <Pici> freenode/staff are on the access list though, or you could throw me ops, whichever is easier for you/.
[03:05] <stew> ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Flags +votsriRfA were set on Pici in #ubuntu-server
[03:05] <Pici> stew: thanks
[03:05] <stew> you're welcome
[03:19] <Pici> Yarr, thar be trolls out there
[03:19] <Pici> Although, I had a little laugh at this: 22:19:33 <?ubantu_dude> Pici is going to ban me pretty soon so every please just consider yourself trolled and save me a bunch of time?
[07:06] <Flannel> That's actually quite tempting.
[07:10] <bazhang> hehe
[07:30] <jussi01> very..
[10:32] <Myrtti> watch out for rek
[11:16] <Myrtti> hmmmm should I know who this Lando-SpacePimp is?
[11:17]  * gnomefreak happy without knowing :)
[11:19] <topyli> lando is strange but hasn't been a problem
[11:32] <jussi01> ikonia: where is you!
[13:29] <bazhang> understand about rek now :/
[13:40] <Pici> I could have sworn I made a @mark about him at some point in time.
[14:30] <Pici> oh, he remembers me, wonderful.
[14:47] <bazhang> today must be *annoying* day
[15:13] <Myrtti> if I guess right, rek is going to be silent for sometime now and start by legitimate questions after a while
[15:13] <Myrtti> and then slip to offtopic
[15:14] <bazhang> he got a comprehensive walkthrough by actionparsnip, and is still saying 'it doesn't work'; something does not add up with him
[15:14] <Myrtti> it's his channels list that doesn't add up
[15:15] <Myrtti> channels : ##hardware #linux-wireless #plan9 #ubuntu  #python.it #fluxbox #embedded-dev  #angstrom #handhelds #handhelds-familiar  #fluxbuntu #damnsmalllinux
[15:16] <bazhang> that is very odd
[15:18] <Myrtti> nnnggghhh http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultamatix&diff=307349573&oldid=prev
[15:18]  * Pici groans
[15:19] <Myrtti> I was kinda hoping it would DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH IN A CHEMICAL FIRE
[15:19] <Myrtti> "It does have the following O/S support, but please use at your own risk Gutsy, Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty (fully tested), Sid, Karmic (only initially tested)."
 Where do I find <key> part when changing my freenode passwd?
[16:09] <Pici> genii: You don't. Thats not the right command.  Use /msg nickserv help set password for the syntax
[16:11] <genii> Ok, got it now.
[16:12] <genii> I was sitting on Nickserv channel, then it became a different channel when the list populated
[16:13] <Pici> Theres a nickserv channel?
[16:24] <genii> Pici: This client shows me one (Quassel)
[16:24] <Pici> genii: You mean a nickserv window, not a #channel
[16:24] <genii> Yes
[16:24] <genii> I may need more caffeine yet this morning :)
[16:45] <Pici> !away > rulo
[17:16] <Mamarok> how often did we tell him that now? just told him again in #k
[18:47] <stefg> please watch Capoochino in #ubuntu ... racist comments
[18:48] <niko> hi
[18:48] <niko> you should take a look at Capoochino on #ubuntu
[18:49] <niko> thanks
[18:56] <nalioth> capaoochino caught the train, fyi
[18:57] <Myrtti> iceroot: jolly good
[18:57] <Myrtti> meh
[19:48] <Flannel> !away > doubled`fml`away
[20:00] <Pici> Turns out that good_kid is the same person as sp0rtily/grow-as-apple/groovyorange.
[20:01] <Myrtti> say, what? really?
[20:02] <Myrtti> no wonder I thought he was a bit creepy and weird
[20:02] <Pici> Yep. Just on a hunch I searched the bantracker for ilya and all those records came back
[20:07] <ikonia> 3:33 <good_kid> Why don't you play in ##jswolfbot?
[20:07] <ikonia> 13:34 <good_kid> Ok
[20:07] <ikonia> 13:35 <good_kid> WhenI'm sleeping, I sometimes imaging beauty young brave single female lawyers in skirts  and their pants.
[20:07] <ikonia> that explains the PM I had from him this afternoon while I was away
[20:07] <Myrtti> *hrrrrhhhh*
[20:09] <Pici> Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
[20:23] <jussi01> grumble, please tell me that wasnt in -offtopic...
[20:26] <Pici> jussi01: good_kid? he said something very similar there.
[20:26] <jussi01> Damn, Ive warned those kids in thw olf channel not to spam about a dozen times
[20:26] <jussi01> grumble!!
[20:26] <ikonia> jussi01: it's 3 of them - they are idiots
[20:27] <ikonia> they spam rooms to get players, I've warned them about it all last night
[20:27] <Pici> jussi01: That person in particular is a someone who has a long ban record in -offtopic.
[20:27] <jussi01> still, very annoynig.
[20:27] <ikonia> jussi01: but he only found it after the 3 annoying idiots spammed a channel he was in
[20:52] <Myrtti> rek is back again
[20:53] <Pici> I joined a bunch of channels he was in earlier and he wasn't acting any differently in them either.
[23:09] <keith-> yeah can you unblock me from #ubuntu
[23:09] <keith-> i'm not banned... it's that dcc exploit stuff and i'm on port 8001
[23:11] <keith-> <<test me>>


[00:01] <Klubuntu> I dont start any program it is when start lubuntu..but the message is gone for now.
[00:03] <anarkhos> yes until you restart x?
[00:04] <Klubuntu> I am not sure what you meen with x.. but when i restert the machine now the message is gone.
[00:04] <Klubuntu> Can it be the lubuntu have some small problems with my hardware ?
[00:13] <anarkhos> oh
[00:14] <anarkhos> it's a very general message
[00:14] <anarkhos> to find out more, you could open a terminal window and type: dmesg | grep system program problem detected
[00:15] <anarkhos> i -think- it's fine to grep several terms. if not, try with just "problem" for instance
[00:20] <Klubuntu> Is there an easy way to get skype on lubuntu ?
[00:24] <Klubuntu> test
[00:29] <phillw> Klubuntu: yup
[00:31] <phillw> Klubuntu: if you want a link, here's one that looks okay ... http://tutorialforlinux.com/2014/04/24/how-to-install-latest-skype-on-lubuntu-14-04-trusty-tahr-lts-32-64bit-step-by-step-easy-guide/
[00:34] <Klubuntu> Is it any way to find it in the softwarecenter ?
[00:38] <phillw> Klubuntu: as with the likes of WINE, I'd suggest grabbing the most up to date version as that site suggests. The ones in SoftwareCenter will be older ones and could have bugs that are fixed in th newer version(s)
[00:41] <Klubuntu> i think it is old anyway.. it is for 10.04 and 12.04
[00:44] <Klubuntu> Can i right click on the file and use GDebi package installer ?
[15:32] <Klubuntu_> I have marked Canonical partners and Canonical partners (source code) but still not find skype.. is skype there ?
[15:34] <genii> !info skype
[15:34] <Klubuntu_> I found it on xubuntu but not in lubunty.
[15:38] <Klubuntu_> Maybe it shud be in Lubuntu software center.
[15:39] <genii> Klubuntu_: Most likely you have only amd64 architecture enabled
[15:39] <genii> Klubuntu_: What says result of:  apt-config dump| grep 'Architectures'
[15:39] <Klubuntu_> My Lubuntu and computer is 32 bit.
[15:40] <Klubuntu_> Xubuntu is 64 bit on another computer.
[15:41] <junka> Klubuntu_, did you apt-get update ?
[15:42] <genii> Klubuntu_: Please pastebin result of:  sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy skype
[15:43] <Klubuntu_> I am not so familiar with terminal.
[15:44] <junka> Klubuntu_, use synaptic. Reload and search for skype
[16:00] <Klubuntu_> I found skype on synaptic.. how to install it ?
[16:01] <junka> you click the box and select mark for installation
[16:01] <junka> then click apply from the icons
[16:03] <Klubuntu_> There are diferents skypes.. skype, skype-bin
[16:04] <Klubuntu_> they are allready marked with a star..
[16:05] <junka> Klubuntu_, just skype
[16:06] <Klubuntu_> the apply is gray
[16:06] <wxl> why not just install from the website?
[16:07] <wxl> well ok mine's from the partner repo too :)
[16:07] <wxl> nevermind
[16:09] <junka> Klubuntu_, did you mark "skype" for installation?
[16:10] <Klubuntu_> yes.. but why is the other one skype-bin also marked now and green ?
[16:10] <wxl> !info skype-bin
[16:10] <genii> It's the binary file
[16:10] <wxl> !info skype-bin partner
[16:11] <wxl> there we go
[16:11] <wxl> !info skype partner
[16:11] <wxl> so those binary files are obviously important things to have
[16:11] <junka> Klubuntu_, it's fine
[16:12] <junka> Klubuntu_, skype-bin is a dependency of skype
[16:12] <genii> Odd that is says there is an amd64 version, when the !skype factoid has a link which says on it that there is only i386 and to add that architecture if you use 64bit
[16:12] <Klubuntu_> is synaptic a sort of software center too ?
[16:13] <junka> Klubuntu_, exactly
[16:13] <wxl> Klubuntu_: yep, they are all front ends to apt
[18:27] <switchtehbeat> is there a way to check my cpu temps?
[18:34] <junka> switchtehbeat, you can run sensors in a terminal
[18:34] <junka> there is also a temperature applet
[18:36] <switchtehbeat> junka, what command?
[18:37] <junka> sensors
[18:37] <switchtehbeat> ?
[18:38] <switchtehbeat> sec
[18:38] <switchtehbeat> installing
[18:38] <switchtehbeat> :P
[18:38] <switchtehbeat> 30c
[18:38] <switchtehbeat> NICE!
[20:44] <PoiSoN> hey
[22:18] <chris__> Hello!
[22:18] <chris__> Hello World!
[22:19] <chris__> currently have an old ati graphic processor and would like to know if lubuntu has an updated driver for it to speed up processing
[22:20] <wxl> chris__: if it's there, it's in the ubuntu repos
[22:20] <chris__> would I simply search by the word ati?
[22:21] <Unit193> I'd suppose not new enough to have the drivers in Additional Drivers?
[22:21] <chris__> its on an old laptop.
[22:22] <chris__> view videos get choppy but simply moving the mouse
[22:22] <chris__> viewing
[22:22] <chris__> thinking it could have something to do with the graphics
[22:23] <wxl> how much memory do you have?
[22:23] <chris__> 2g
[22:23] <chris__> could it be the swap
[22:24] <wxl> do you know if there even is some sort of updated driver?
[22:24] <wxl> i should add this is not a lubuntu question, it's an ubuntu question, and quite possibly a linux question.
[22:27] <chris__> ok
[22:28] <chris__> I'm relatively new to the linux world
[22:29] <wxl> chris__: with rare exception, it is the linux kernel team that implements all the drivers that linux distros use, so that applies to both ubuntu and by extension, lubuntu
[22:33] <chris__> I'm back


[06:14] <ilzolende> pestering you because #ubuntu seems to be in the middle of something: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone doesn't seem to give much photo importing advice
[06:22] <xangua> There's basically 3 options with iOS devices, you just the last bleeding Ubuntu, you hold iOS updates or don't use iOS at all
[06:22] <ilzolende> it's my friend's ios device and i can't retroactively make her downgrade it
[06:23] <ilzolende> hmm, we could use bluetooth file transfer
[06:24] <ilzolende> oooor not
[06:44] <justanotheruser> hi all, how do i get 1920x1080 over VGA? i get [    49.101] (II) fglrx(0): Cannot get EDID information for CRT1
[06:45] <justanotheruser> thats at the end of the Xorg log
[06:45] <justanotheruser> also the other thing is, xubuntu ()14.04 is damn slow especially after running like 10hrs
[06:45] <justanotheruser> it comes to a crawl, and even freeze
[06:46] <justanotheruser> running fglrx here
[06:46] <pmjdebruijn> sounds like something worth investigating
[06:46] <justanotheruser> but somehow i dont see that this is related with the video card, its a seperate issue i think
[06:46] <pmjdebruijn> I ran fglrx a while ago, for me it caused crashes
[06:46] <justanotheruser> i mean the slow running thing
[06:47] <justanotheruser> then again it might be
[06:47] <justanotheruser> gpu is 5850, CPu running a quad core xeon
[06:47] <justanotheruser> with 4gb ram
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't really matter
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> something is just misbehaving
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> when your system is getting so slow
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> try running top
[06:47] <pmjdebruijn> and see if anything is pulling a lot of cpu usage
[06:48] <justanotheruser> yeah i believe that too, it just starts to get sluggish after a while and then dead slow
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> especially if you left some apps long running
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> like browsers etc
[06:48] <justanotheruser> running chrome,
[06:48] <justanotheruser> but also tried it with brave
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> does quitting chrome solve the sluggisnish?
[06:48] <justanotheruser> same thing
[06:48] <justanotheruser> no it does not
[06:48] <justanotheruser> thats the first thing i thought off
[06:48] <pmjdebruijn> also chrome or chromium?
[06:49] <justanotheruser> but quiting browser and then even logging out and back in does not solve it
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> generally speaking i'd mostly stick to software in there repos
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> justanotheruser: have you tried the open source radeon driver as opposed to fglrx
[06:49] <justanotheruser> yeah the confusion i have is about those amd drivers
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> since fglrx isn't that great
[06:49] <justanotheruser> i wanna run wine with dx11 support
[06:49] <pmjdebruijn> but that's true for most binary blobs drivers
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> justanotheruser: first see what fglrx is the issue, then worry about what to do next
[06:50] <justanotheruser> as much as i understand the "radeon" driver does not support dx11
[06:50] <pmjdebruijn> for troubleshooting it does not matter
[06:50] <justanotheruser> so what to do?
[06:50] <justanotheruser> any ideas?
[06:51] <justanotheruser> i dont even know where to begin lol
[06:51] <pmjdebruijn> just uninstall fglrx
[06:51] <justanotheruser> and replace with radeon?
[06:51] <pmjdebruijn> yeah
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> if the issue disappears, then fglrx is the culprit
[06:52] <justanotheruser> also what is that amdgpu open source driver im so confused
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> if you uninstall fglrx, it should automatically fall back on what ever driver is needed
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> if all goes well, there no need for you to worry about that
[06:52] <justanotheruser> will the installation for the radeon driver suffice, trough the settings menu>>additional drivers?
[06:52] <pmjdebruijn> at least that's what I recall from back when I used fglrx
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> justanotheruser: the others drivers are already installed
[06:53] <justanotheruser> or doi have to manually purge fgrlx?
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> probably removing flgrx
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> but I don't have _that_ much experience with the blob driver
[06:53] <pmjdebruijn> stick around, maybe someone else has a better idea
[06:54] <justanotheruser> the other thing is, there is fglrz and fglrx udate as choice
[06:54] <justanotheruser> the other thing is, there is fglrx and fglrx udate as choice*
[06:54] <justanotheruser> also any idea how i can force 1920x1080 on the display connected via  VGA_?
[06:55] <justanotheruser> i tried checking but all i found is, in threads "solved" i bought an HDMI cable, thats not what i want lol
[06:57] <justanotheruser> ok well i installed the open source driver now, will try to restart for now and see what happens.
[07:06] <justanotheruser> damn now im getting "Purging configuration files for fglrx (2:15.201.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) ... update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/atieventsd exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) dpkg: error processing package fglrx (--purge):  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 1 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"
[07:06] <justanotheruser> why?
[07:07] <justanotheruser> nvm "sudo apt-get purge fglrx*" seems to do the trick
[07:08] <pmjdebruijn> yeah blob drivers tend to be a bit of a mess
[07:08] <justanotheruser> will have to reboot again, brb
[07:13] <justanotheruser_> so.. purging fglrx worked, it runs now ith the radeon driver, the question however is now, how do i get the 2nd display working, its at 1024x768 atm with the fglrx i got at least 1600x1200 its over VGA connected, and it can do 1920x1080
[07:16] <justanotheruser_> can i set somehwere the resolution manually via terminal? i guess yes, just dont know where, xorg.conf is not the place, at least not in /etc/X11
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> I don't think VGA supports 1920x1080
[07:16] <justanotheruser_> well i have not this computer also "hackintosh running" and it works on there
[07:16] <pmjdebruijn> at least not officially
[07:16] <justanotheruser_> i have on*
[07:17] <justanotheruser_> where are the settings stored?
[07:17] <pmjdebruijn> there a read-edid and edid-decode pacakge that might provide some insight
[07:18] <justanotheruser_> yeah but the radeon driver does not give me even the 1600x1080 that i have had before with the fglrx driver
[07:18] <justanotheruser_> so i wonder where does the open source driver save the settings
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> it doesn't
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> by default everything is just on auto detect
[07:19] <pmjdebruijn> which depends on EDID
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> which is why I pointed you to those packages
[07:20] <pmjdebruijn> as it can decode it for you
[07:20] <justanotheruser_> will have to look into that then never worked with EDID
[07:20] <justanotheruser_> thx for pointing me there
[07:28] <justanotheruser_> hrmm even i run the radeon driver it wont solve the problem that i will not be able to run dx11 games/apps with it
[07:29] <justanotheruser_> is there another driver that runs with my HD5850 beside the fglrx and the radeon driver?
[07:29] <justanotheruser_> that i could try
[07:30] <justanotheruser_> because i recall seeing mentionings about a driver called amdgpu open source but im confused, it sounds like it is the same as radeon but some other threads seem to talk its something seperate
[07:31] <justanotheruser_> and i cant seem to find it to install for xubuntu 14.04
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> also keep in mind that 14.04 is becoming a bit dated now
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> for all you know this issue may have already been resolved in 16.04
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[07:32] <pmjdebruijn> ATI stopped updating fglrx for newer distros, didn't they
[07:32] <justanotheruser_> yeah but the problem is that 16,04 runs a 4x kernel where the fglrx does not work and i need a proprietary driver to run playonlinux/steam/sto
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> have you tried 16.04 with the opensource drivers?
[07:34] <pmjdebruijn> typically you lose some performance though
[07:34] <justanotheruser_> yes i tried,
[07:35] <justanotheruser_> i cant start the game with the kernel
[07:35] <justanotheruser_> it gives an error msg
[07:35] <pmjdebruijn> anyhow
[07:35] <justanotheruser_> because wine 2.3 does not load dx11
[07:36] <pmjdebruijn> to be honest gaming via wine always seemed like a fragile proposition
[07:36] <pmjdebruijn> I'm sorry I don't have any better ideas for you
[07:36] <justanotheruser_> i apriciate the time and tips you had so far, no need to apologize
[07:37] <justanotheruser_> i guess i will go back to fglrx, but i still dont understand the difference between fglrx and fglrx-update
[07:37] <pmjdebruijn> try sticking with the open source drivers for a day or so
[07:37] <pmjdebruijn> so you at least know if the sluggishness issues are the fglrx driver
[07:38] <pmjdebruijn> then at least you don't need to look any further
[07:38] <justanotheruser_> you mean to see if the performance drag down is caused by the  driver?
[07:38] <justanotheruser_> yeah good idea, will do that
[07:40] <justanotheruser_> well it does seem snappier then before ,. so far
[11:01] <bonsaitree> Has someone succeeded in making Viber work on Xubuntu?
[11:08] <bazhang> what is viber
[11:09] <cfhowlett> bonsaitree, install the per the site, it's been tested on ubuntu and fedora.  choose one.
[11:15] <bonsaitree> cfhowlett, This application failed to start because it could not find or load the Qt platform plugin "xcb"
[11:15] <bonsaitree> in "".
[11:15] <bonsaitree> . How do i install this plugin?
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> doesn't the viper package have proper dependancies?
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> sudo apt-get install -f
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> does that do anything?
[11:16] <cfhowlett> pmjdebruijn, nope. not in the repos, so may/may not function properly
[11:16] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn,No changes after running that command
[11:17] <cfhowlett> bonsaitree, sounds like something you should ask the publisher.
[11:18] <pmjdebruijn> libqt5gui5:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so
[11:18] <pmjdebruijn> I do have that file on 16.04
[11:18] <bonsaitree> The thing is i've managed to make Viber to work under Xubuntu somehow ~ 8-9 months ago. But the thing that is the most likely that i have done, is not doing the trick now
[11:19] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, I do have it here: /opt/viber/plugins/platforms/libqxcb.so
[11:19] <pmjdebruijn> does       QT_QPA_PLATFORM_PLUGIN_PATH=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/platforms /opt/viber/viber            work?
[11:20] <pmjdebruijn> or whatever it is installed
[11:22] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, With the second 'viber' you are referring to the executable?
[11:23] <pmjdebruijn> indeed
[11:24] <pmjdebruijn> it's just the full path to the executable
[11:24] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, https://paste.ubuntu.com/24453688/
[11:25] <pmjdebruijn> yeah sorry no clue
[11:25] <pmjdebruijn> crappy applications is exceptionally crappy
[11:26] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, When all your friends are using it, you are trying to make it work under your OS ..
[11:26] <pmjdebruijn> don't they have a web version?
[11:26] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, I think no
[11:27] <pmjdebruijn> bonsaitree: I would suggest asking about this in a knowledge specific channel, like for Qt for example
[11:27] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, What is the channel name? Thanks btw
[11:28] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[11:28] <pmjdebruijn> did you try #qt ?
[11:28] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, Yeah, that's the channel
[11:29] <pmjdebruijn> if you find a solution, it would be a nice topic for a blog-post kinda thing, so others can find the solution
[11:32] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, Yup, and it's very clever to write the fixes down, because after actively using Linux as a main os for 2 years, i start to get many deja-vus :D
[11:34] <flocculant> bonsaitree: when you saut it doesn't start - do you mean at all? because grabbing the package and installing it on 17.04 (though updated to 17.10) installs and starts fine - removed it now. That said I have some other qt4/5 apps installed AND some -dev packages. As pmjdebruijn says you likely need to talk elsewhere - you could try #ubuntu more eyes there, maybe someone is more likely to use it
[11:34] <flocculant> s/when you saut/when you say
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> bonsaitree: for running commercial apps, running 16.04 tends to work better, since vendors often test on that version
[11:35] <flocculant> pmjdebruijn: that ^^
[11:35] <pmjdebruijn> but in the end it varies from vendor to vendor of course
[11:35] <flocculant> it says it is tested - very likely that means LTS
[11:37] <bonsaitree> flocculant:When i click the Viber icon it says: "Failed to execute command "viber"". Failed to execute child process "viber" (No such file or directory).
[11:37] <flocculant> bonsaitree: then you have local issues - didn't even install any dependencies here - as I said try #ubuntu
[11:38] <bonsaitree> flocculant, I've followed a web help page which states that you should edit the /usr/share/applications/viber.desktop, adding 2 lines: Exec=viber
[11:38] <bonsaitree> Path=/opt/viber
[11:38] <flocculant> good luck
[11:39] <bonsaitree> flocculant, The guys at #ubuntu are awesome, but they did not like to help me with Viber, i have also been told to not talk about Viber at all
[11:39] <bonsaitree> flocculant, Thanks
[11:42] <bazhang> fully updated to 17.10 would be quite the treat
[11:43] <cfhowlett> trick?  or treat?
[11:43] <bazhang> still no toolchain afaict
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> bonsaitree: not everybody likes to hear about commercial software being broken
[11:48] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, :D
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> keep in mind that #ubuntu and #xubuntu and Ubuntu and XUbuntu support channels
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> not Viber support channels
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> and you are actually wanting Viber support, technically speaking
[11:49] <pmjdebruijn> with the #ubuntu channel being often very busy, it's sometimes a matter of keeping the signal to noise ratio higher
[11:49] <pmjdebruijn> so I can understand where they are coming from
[11:50] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, Yup, i agree
[11:59] <bonsaitree> Okay, how do i do a full update to 17.10?
[12:00] <bonsaitree> (the internet is full of different commands for a distro update so i don't know which one to use)
[12:00] <cfhowlett> bonsaitree, jump in time machine.  go to October 2017 when it's released. download and install.
[12:01] <cfhowlett> OR ... use the current supported versions and wait - patiently - for 17.10
[12:01] <bonsaitree> Well, someone broke the laws of physics: <flocculant> bonsaitree: when you saut it doesn't start - do you mean at all? because grabbing the package and installing it on 17.04 (though updated to 17.10) installs and starts fine - removed it now.
[12:02] <bonsaitree> cfhowlett, Or 17.04 anyway :) Which command to use?
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> huh
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> I thought you were already on 17.04
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> uhm
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> 17.10
[12:04] <cfhowlett> !17.10
[12:04] <pmjdebruijn> oh doh
[12:04] <pmjdebruijn> of course
[12:06] <bonsaitree> pmjdebruijn, I am on 16.04.2 atm
[12:06] <pmjdebruijn> ooooh :s
[15:22] <v3n0m> Arch Linux vs Ubuntu? Which is fast?
[15:28] <rud0lf> somebody asking on ubuntu channel which distro they like the most :)
[15:37] <akxwi-dave> TOS version 2.04
[15:38] <sim642> My upgraded xubuntu still locks screen with xscreensaver, how do I change that to lightlocker?
[15:39] <GridCube> remove xscreensaver
[15:41] <sim642> Oh, I didn't expect it to automagically pick up the other one
[16:07] <sim642> After upgrading to 16.04 some icons in the indicator panel seem to be cropped to size, not scaled
[16:07] <sim642> Any idea about that?
[16:14] <GridCube> sim642: it's possible it hasn't had reset properly, i'd just rename the ~/.config/xfce4 folder and let it respawn in the next login
[16:17] <sim642> doesn't that contain some other custom configuration though?
[19:21] <v3n0m> Arch linux vs ubuntu speed comparison?
[20:18] <xangua> Ubuntu has the community, Arch the speed, but xfce is pretty snappy in any distro you choose
[21:24] <CrazyLikeAFox> So, trying to copy my last laptop's hard disk onto here, without changing the source any. It's failing due to no read permission.
[21:24] <CrazyLikeAFox> Can I copy it as root and have it not mess with permissions?
[22:33] <bonsaitree> I don't know if others have reported this, but there is a video driver glitch in Xubuntu. I think its because of the kernel, since it started appearing after i updated to 4.8 kernel, although i was on 16.04.2 back then (3-4 days ago). However, it is present on 17.04 too. The glitch is that when you are alt+tab-ing or when you are doing something dynamic (browser scrolling, watching a video, etc), there is a trapezoid-like line (like a varying
[22:33] <bonsaitree> voltage level lol) that is appearing on the middle of the screen. That was present in the past too, but it was a single line and it wasn't noticeable.


[09:36] <JamesTait> Morning all! May your Monday be magnificent! :)
[09:48] <mandel> morning all!
[09:48] <facundobatista> Hola mandel
[09:54] <rye> morning
[09:55] <mandel> facundobatista, uh! what are you doing sooo early?
[09:55] <facundobatista> mandel, I'm a bot
[09:55] <facundobatista> mandel, have to do some errands in the afternoon
[09:58] <mandel> facundobatista, oh, well, I'm usually alone at this time hehe
[10:51] <gatox> hi
[11:00] <mandel> gatox, morning!
[11:23] <nessita> hello!
[11:23] <mandel> nessita, good morning!
[11:24] <gatox> nessita, hu
[11:24] <gatox> hi
[11:24] <nessita> gatox, mandel: hi! after email catch up, your reviews are my priority (FYI(
[11:24] <nessita> ))
[11:24] <Chipaca> nessita: hi there!
[11:25] <Chipaca> nessita: can I sequester you for a minute or ten?
[11:26] <mandel> nessita, ok, no worries, by the way I walways forget, mon and tue is bug fixxing or new features?
[11:26] <nessita> mandel: new features, wed and thru is reviews and bug fixing
[11:26] <nessita> Chipaca: sure!
[11:29] <mandel> nessita, cool :)
[11:29] <mandel> nessita, nevertheless there are a couple of need fixing that I'll be working until alecu arrives :)
[11:30] <nessita> mandel: sounds good
[11:30] <mandel> oh, and keep playing with my proxy set up + active directory (god I feel like a crapy sys admin :( )
[11:31] <gatox> nessita, did you read my last e-mail about unicode?
[11:31] <nessita> yes sir!
[11:31] <nessita> gatox: I have some ideas, we'll need to talk about them
[11:31] <gatox> nessita, ok!
[11:31] <nessita> gatox: perhaps we invite Chipacaa and guillo
[11:32] <gatox> nessita, ok, let me know :D
[11:51] <gatox> brb....... need to restart
[11:57] <nessita> gatox: can we mumble at 9:15 approx?
[11:57] <nessita> gatox: so we can unblock you asap
[11:57] <gatox> nessita, yes, no problem
[11:57] <gatox> whenever you want
[11:58] <nessita> gatox: yeah, I just want to finish breakfast and unread emails
[11:58] <gatox> nessita, ah, ok, no problem
[13:19] <nessita> standup!
[13:19] <nessita> mandel, alecu, gatox: shall we?
[13:19] <gatox> me
[13:19] <gatox> oh.... now?
[13:20] <gatox> nessita, alecu probably will be conected at 10:30
[13:20] <gatox> and mandel maybe is eating right now
[13:20] <nessita> gatox: ah, ok
[13:20] <nessita> gatox: so at what time is the standup?
[13:20] <gatox> 10:30
[13:20] <nessita> I may be confused
[13:20] <nessita> ah!
[13:20] <nessita> I ran for nothing!
[13:20] <gatox> :P
[13:21] <gatox> i told you in mumble
[13:24] <nessita> gatox: sorry, I misunderstood :-)
[13:25] <gatox> nessita, i found a conflict in one of my branches, i just fixed.... all the others are ok
[13:25] <nessita> ack!
[13:31] <gatox> me
[13:31] <gatox> nessita, mandel?
[13:31] <nessita> me
[13:33] <nessita> gatox: go!
[13:34] <gatox> DONE:
[13:34] <gatox> Test some possibilities to fix the unicode issues, Freaky Friday.
[13:34] <gatox> TODO:
[13:34] <gatox> Keep fixing unicode bugs (apply modifications according the mumble with nessita)
[13:34] <gatox> BLOCKED:
[13:34] <gatox> No
[13:34] <gatox> nessita, go
[13:34] <nessita> DONE: design sprint, UDS
[13:34] <nessita> TODO: catchup! help gatox with unicode branch issues
[13:34] <nessita> BLOCKED: nopes
[13:34] <nessita> NEXT: mandel
[13:37] <nessita> mandel: ?
[13:37] <nessita> no alecu?
[13:37] <nessita> oh well, eom then
[14:15] <nessita> @ping
[14:15] <ubot4> pong
[14:21] <cjohnston> nessita: ping
[14:21] <nessita> cjohnston: hi there!
[14:21] <cjohnston> hey! I'm still having some issues.. My desktop is reporting that I have 10.8gb in my ubuntu one folder, however, the dashboard indicates 10.2gb
[14:21] <cjohnston> (im not at home to do any testing from the desktop)
[14:21] <cjohnston> ive run the rescan from the desktop and nothing changes
[14:21] <nessita> cjohnston: what do you mean with "My desktop is reporting that I have 10.8gb"?
[14:21] <nessita> cjohnston: the control panel, you mean?
[14:21] <cjohnston> i have also run the script that compares files between local and the cloud, and it only reports that i have 1 file missing, which is a lock file, which isnt important
[14:21] <cjohnston> no.. folder properties
[14:21] <nessita> cjohnston: yes, we ignore some special files, such as openoffice lock files
[14:21] <mandel> nessita, I though we have now the stand up?
[14:21] <nessita> mandel: no, an hour ago
[14:21] <nessita> mandel: did the time in .es changed?
[14:21] <mandel> nessita, mierda! yes it did.. I hate DST :(
[14:21] <nessita> mandel: the standup will keep being at 13:30 UTC
[14:21] <mandel> nessita, ok, no problem, I set my alarm clock to utc..
[14:21] <nessita> cjohnston: regarding the space used, the size may vary depending on the file system you use. For example, for files smaller than the filesystem minimal block the reported used space will be the whole block size
[14:21] <mandel> nessita, god I hate this things..
[14:21] <nessita> mandel: if that collides with your lunch, we can have it earlier, 1300 UTC
[14:22] <cjohnston> right.. the lock file isnt important.. but between folder properties and the dashboard im still showing a .6gb difference.. which i doubt is lock files
[14:22] <mandel> nessita, you guys do not change time this time of year, do you?
[14:22] <nessita> mandel: never
[14:22] <cjohnston> nessita: so a .6gb difference is possible? im on ext4
[14:23] <nessita> cjohnston: right, that is because you may have several small files, or files that use 2.1 blocks, for example, but the reported size will be 3 blocks
[14:23] <mandel> nessita, if you don't mind that would be appreciated..
[14:23] <nessita> mandel: so, we basically should accommodate our standup to your mommy's lunch time? :-D
[14:23] <nessita> mandel: at what time you head off for lunch?
[14:24] <mandel> nessita, hahaha well is not my mother lunch time, but mine :P
[14:24] <nessita> mandel: at what time you head off for lunch? (UTC please)
[14:24] <mandel> nessita, I just had it, so I started like 30 mins ago
[14:25] <mandel> nessita, but if it is a problem I can have lunh at a diff time
[14:25] <nessita> so, at 14 UTC you have lunch?
[14:28] <nessita> mandel: right now is 14:25 UTC
[14:28] <mandel> nessita, yes, that is it
[14:28] <nessita> gatox, mandel: I remembered that alecu has the day off, today
[14:28] <nessita> mandel: so, 13:30 UTC (as currently is) will work for you?
[14:28] <mandel> nessita, oh, true he told me, I forgot to!
[14:28] <mandel> nessita, yes, it would I just did not think about the tdst change, it was my fault rather than anything else
[14:28] <gatox> nessita, ack
[14:28] <nessita> mandel: ok, so let s not change the standup time, ok?
[14:28] <mandel> nessita, ok, and sorry for the misunderstanding
[14:28] <nessita> mandel: no problem! glad we worked it out
[14:55] <jdobrien> good morning u1 hackers
[14:56] <nessita> hello jdobrien!
[15:32] <jdobrien> mandel: did you find a way to use twisted with restful-u1?
[15:33] <mandel> jdobrien, yes, got it working, but I had to stop because that is a friday only project :)
[15:33] <jdobrien> mandel: cool
[15:34] <jdobrien> mandel: if you share it, i'll see how i can work it in.. i want that to be windows compatible... unless you would like to propose a branch :)
[15:34] <jdobrien> mandel: I'll file a bug against it :)
[15:34] <mandel> jdobrien, I'll be working on it on friday and hopefully will send the results to ubunet :)
[15:52] <nessita> mandel: ping
[16:26] <mandel> nessita, pong
[16:26] <gatox> lunch! brb!
[16:27] <nessita> mandel: did you address  alecu's needs fixing on https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/auto-update-looping-call/+merge/81015?
[16:27] <mandel> nessita, on it, I'll me pushing by the end of the day
[16:27] <nessita> mandel: also, windows tests are failing for https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/auto-update-functions/+merge/80237
[16:27] <mandel> nessita, hm.. that is new, I'll take a look
[16:28] <mandel> nessita, can you add in the MP the errors you are getting?
[16:29] <nessita> mandel: already did! :-)
[16:29] <mandel> nessita, uh, you are fast!
[16:30] <mandel> launchapd is not :(
[16:30] <mandel> launchapd is not :(
[16:43] <mandel> nessita, gatox I might appear and disappear several times, I'm setting a dns server for the proxy stuff and when I reboot it everything goes from my network :P
[16:43] <gatox> ack
[16:57] <Doughy> I'm having an issue with U1. It says all my files are up-to-date, but I just changed a file and it will not upload.
[16:57] <nessita> Doughy: what ubuntu one are you running? windows/linux? what version?
[16:57] <Doughy> Linux
[16:58] <Doughy> I'm not sure the version, but I believe it's the latest.
[16:59] <Doughy> It's weird because it only uploads if I change another file
[16:59] <Doughy> well wait, nevermind
[16:59] <Doughy> I just added a new file and it uploaded immediately
[17:00] <Doughy> So it's like the file I want to upload is stuck
[17:02] <mandel> Doughy, is that file opened by an app, we make sure that we do not upload opened files (nessita if the event nany does work)
[17:03] <Doughy> I do not have the file open currently. Maybe a var file is not getting removed correctly by the OS?
[17:04] <nessita> Doughy: we're currently having an issue on the released client (which is not fixed in trunk but not released yet) where if an upload needs retrying, that process will fail
[17:04] <nessita> Doughy: can you please try restarting your syncdaemon? (I can give you directions how to do so)
[17:05] <Doughy> I know how
[17:05] <Doughy> I'm restarting now
[17:05] <Doughy> doing local rescan....
[17:05] <nessita> Doughy: thanks, let me know how that goes
[17:07] <mandel> nessita, the windows os that we support are XP x86, XP x64, Vista x86, Vista x64, 7 x86 and 7 x64, Natty and Oneric, right?
[17:07] <mandel> nessita, I'm trying to set up all the os for the tests for proxy..
[17:08] <nessita> mandel: officially we support windows 7 only, as far as I understand. And in linux, everything from Lucid to Precise
[17:09] <mandel> nessita, really, just 7? hm.. well I get everything ready just to make sure everything is tested..
[17:09] <nessita> mandel: yes, of course
[17:09] <nessita> mandel: please note that linux is Lucid, Maverick, Natty, Oneiric and Precise
[17:10] <elopio> nessita, do you mean we support only windows 7 for the proxy?
[17:10] <mandel> nessita, ok, L -> P oh my.. this is going to be painful to test in everything
[17:11] <nessita> elopio: nopes, we'll try to support xo and vista as well. But the official windows  version we support, is 7
[17:11] <elopio> nessita, got it.
[17:11] <elopio> mandel, if you help me to set up the proxy, I can give you a hand with the testing.
[17:12] <mandel> elopio, I'm writting a wiki page (which alecu will review) with all the steps to set the network up.. but I'm also going to try if you guys in america can use my setup from spain.. is worth a try
[17:13] <mandel> elopio, if it works you should be able to use any of the machines I've set up with a single account using active directory, and that includes all the above
[17:13] <elopio> mandel, great.
[17:18] <nessita> mandel: this has conflicts with trunk https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-windows-installer/put-migration-together/+merge/78995
[17:19] <nessita> mandel: I will give all those 3 another pass tomorrow morning, so you have time to fix them
[17:19] <Doughy> nessita, even after the restart of the syncdaemon, the file won't upload. It did give me a desktop notification saying that the files were uploading, but they never did.
[17:19] <mandel> nessita, ok, I\ll make sure they are by the time you are up
[17:20] <nessita> Doughy: do you know where the logs file are? could you please open a bug report, make it private, and attaching those logs?
[17:20] <nessita> Doughy: I can help with whatever part of what I said is cryptic for you :-)
[17:43] <jdobrien> nessita: I am getting the following error in control panel: Value could not be retrieved. (ServerError: (400, ('invalid_consumer_token_pair', 'Invalid consumer and token pair.')))
[17:43] <jdobrien> nessita: however, my client syncs files fine
[17:43] <nessita> jdobrien: how "old" are your credentials, approx?
[17:43] <jdobrien> nessita: I do not know
[17:44] <jdobrien> nessita: is it hard to reset them and create new ones?
[17:44] <nessita> jdobrien: not all all, from the controlpanel, go to devices -> remove local token. The login screen will automatically appear
[17:48] <jdobrien> nessita: same thing
[17:48] <nessita> jdobrien: let's ask rye...
[17:48] <nessita> rye: you around?
[17:49] <jdobrien> nessita: you should see the error I get from deja-dup
[17:49] <nessita> jdobrien: a 500?
[17:49] <jdobrien> https://pastebin.canonical.com/55381/
[17:50] <jdobrien> no
[17:50] <jdobrien> nessita: I wonder if I have a borked install
[17:51] <nessita> jdobrien: hum, no your install may be fine. That code does not work with our current nigthlies since we removed a deprecated SSO dbus service
[17:51] <nessita> jdobrien: and that code is using it. Which in O is fine, since we have not removed in O, but in P
[17:51] <jdobrien> I'll switch from nightlies then if you're going to break my system :)
[17:51] <nessita> jdobrien: is duplicity the same as deja du?
[17:51] <nessita> jdobrien: naha!
[17:52] <nessita> jdobrien: I see the problem now: ubuntuone-couch is fixed in trunk, but apparently we're not building nightlies for it
[17:53] <nessita> the error is exactly here:   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ubuntuone-couch/ubuntuone/couch/auth.py", line 75, in get_oauth_credentials     proxy.find_credentials(APP_NAME).iteritems())
[17:53] <nessita> but is fixed on u1-couch trunk
[17:53] <nessita> thisfred: ping
[17:54] <jdobrien> nessita: it seems silly that it's using that method for credentials
[17:54] <nessita> yeap
[17:57] <thisfred> nessita: pong
[17:57] <nessita> thisfred: hello! are you working today? (to know if I can bother you :-))
[17:58] <thisfred> yep
[17:58] <nessita> thisfred: so, is there any chance we SRU the fixes I landed in u1-couch for credentials management? or even better, can we have u1-couch build in nightlies?
[17:59] <thisfred> I'm sure we can, the question is who has time to add it
[17:59] <thisfred> adding it to the ppa is not hard with a recipe, or is it?
[18:00] <nessita> thisfred: is not, afaik
[18:05] <thisfred> nessita: I so wish we'd not called it u1couch though. Since all we'll be using it for is u1 auth
[18:06] <thisfred> nessita: hmm, it is packaged daily already
[18:07] <nessita> thisfred: it is? sorry I did not checked
[18:07] <nessita> but... then...
[18:07] <thisfred> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-couch/packaging-dailies
[18:07] <thisfred> nessita: maybe the build wasn't triggered somehow?
[18:08] <nessita> thisfred: perhaps, trying to check that
[18:08] <thisfred> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-hackers/+recipe/u1couch-dailies
[18:08] <nessita> apprarently, last build is 2011-09-12
[18:08] <thisfred> looks like it
[18:08] <nessita> requesting one now...
[18:09] <thisfred> and we should probably add P
[18:09] <thisfred> Precise added
[18:10] <jdobrien> nessita: so... I removed everything...then reinstalled without nightlies
[18:11] <jdobrien> nessita: hopefully the metadata is backward compatable
[18:11] <nessita> jdobrien: we're about to fix it in nigthlies!
[18:11] <jdobrien> nessita: unfortunately, I can no longer install couchdb
[18:11] <jdobrien> sorry
[18:11] <jdobrien> ubuntuone-desktopcouch
[18:11] <nessita> jdobrien: you can't as in you don't want to or you're having some other issue?
[18:12] <jdobrien> nessita: when I click the button int he control panel, I get an error
[18:12] <nessita> jdobrien: what does it say?
[18:13] <jdobrien> nessita: aha!
[18:13] <jdobrien>  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:13] <jdobrien> desktopcouch-ubuntuone: Depends: python (>= 2.7) but 2.7.2-7ubuntu2 is to be installed
[18:13] <jdobrien>                         Depends: desktopcouch (= 1.0.8-0ubuntu1) but 1.0.8+r283-15~oneiric1 is to be installed
[18:13] <nessita> jdobrien: that smeells like our ppa, no?
[18:14] <jdobrien> nessita: I disabled nightlies
[18:16] <nessita> jdobrien: but this is certainly nightlies 1.0.8+r283-15~oneiric1
[18:18] <jdobrien> nessita: there were traces of couchdb left over...i removed them and it installed
[18:25] <jdobrien> nessita: hmm...still getting that error from deja-dup though
[18:27] <nessita> jdobrien: I would guess there is a mismatch of version somewhere. I would recommend moving back to nightlies and waiting for us building the u1couch nightly package...
[18:27] <jdobrien> nessita: I want to know what non-nightly users are getting so i can diagnose and error they are having
[18:28] <nessita> jdobrien: oh, ok
[18:28] <nessita> jdobrien: can you please paste the output of:
[18:28] <nessita> apt-cache policy ubuntu-sso-client
[18:28] <jdobrien> nessita: I just filed a bug against deja-dup ;)
[18:29] <jdobrien> nessita: Installed: 1.5.0+r806-28~oneiric1
[18:29] <nessita> jdobrien: that sso is from nightlies
[18:30] <nessita> jdobrien: you do know that if you do not remove the package and reinstall it will not be downgraded from nightlies to the O version, no?
[18:30] <jdobrien> i'll purge and resinstall that then too
[18:30] <nessita> ok
[18:31] <jdobrien> and apparently everything else too
[18:31] <jdobrien> that's better: Setting up ubuntu-sso-client (1.4.0-0ubuntu1)
[18:32] <nessita> yes!
[18:33] <jdobrien> I should have used the magic... remove sourcedep and all it's crap
[19:42] <nessita> gatox: ping
[19:43] <gatox> nessita, pong
[19:43] <nessita> gatox: is this https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/connect-files/+merge/79611 ready for re-review?
[19:43] <nessita> (I'm getting lint issues)
[19:44] <gatox> checking....
[19:44] <gatox> nessita, ahi le corro las tools
[19:44] <nessita> gatox: I added the errors in the MP, JIC
[19:44] <nessita> ok
[19:53]  * nessita -> late lunch
[19:53] <nessita> is hard to catch up after being away 2 weeks :-/
[19:54] <gatox> :P
[20:20] <gatox> EOD........ see you tomorrow
[20:30] <nessita> bye gatox
[20:31] <gatox> nessita, i fix the lint issue...... tomorrow morning that i start earlier, i will check again all my branches, and check all the things that you told me today one by one..... so if everything is ok, i will ping you as soon as you are online, ok?
[20:32] <nessita> gatox: sounds perfect
[20:33] <gatox> nessita, regarding unicode, i'm tracking some values that seems not to be using the functions that we define, but i'm not quiet sre where are they coming from.... but, i'll have it for tomorrow morning i'm sure
[20:34] <nessita> gatox: ping me and I'll help if needed
[20:34] <gatox> nessita, ok, thanks
[21:19] <thisfred> joshuahoover: do we / should we have an Ubuntu One Google+ page? All the cool kids are doinit
[21:20] <joshuahoover> thisfred: yeah, we will
[21:20] <thisfred> kk :)
[21:21] <joshuahoover> thisfred: oh, and if you can, please invent a "social network" that is it's own silo and has it's own set of unique APIs...we're in desperate need of those! ;)
[21:21]  * jdobrien "parks" an Ubuntu One Google + page
[21:21] <joshuahoover> jdobrien: thanks
[21:21] <jdobrien> joshuahoover: I was kidding
[21:22] <thisfred> joshuahoover: on it. Working title: 'thisnet'
[21:23] <nessita> thisfred: LOL
[21:24] <joshuahoover> thisfred: it's good, needs a missing vowel (or 2)
[21:24] <jdobrien> thisfred: make sure you pick "this content is appropriate for...'Alcohol Related'"
[21:24] <thisfred> thisnt
[21:24] <nessita> ok, I'm eod'd
[21:24] <nessita> bye all!
[21:24] <thisfred> later nessita
[21:24] <joshuahoover> thisfred: excellent


[01:22] <josh_> Hey, I'm brand new to Kubuntu but used Ubuntu a little back in 2007. Not heavy linux user so may need help. What's the best resource for getting questions answered and getting support?
 This forum here is a good place (and if people are slow to respond, your favorite search engine is often very helpful.)
 0j1h
 Hello, very new to Linux distro's and i was recommended to start off with Kubuntu, and i have downloaded it and etcher'ed it into a USB, what do i do from here
[06:35] <Guest28355> Good morning
[06:35] <Guest28355> Geo: Now you need to reboot and boot into the usb drive.
[08:59] <devid> how can I best test the expected battery life, by live boot or by VM ?
[09:15] <dv_> hi. I've read that ubuntu is moving to wayland starting with 21.04. does this apply to kubuntu as well?
 @dv_, I think no.
[10:11] <alf1975> Unless Ubuntu is another Windows 8
[10:11] <alf1975> don't think about the moust of the pc in the global market
[10:12] <alf1975> more than Core i7 from 2015 until know is probably at moust 20% of share
[10:12] <alf1975> or less
[10:12] <alf1975> Xubuntu e Lubuntu ?
[10:12] <alf1975> in a Pentium IV works ok !
[10:13] <alf1975> there a lot of folks with a Windows pirate version
[10:13] <alf1975> they want : facebook, email e nothing more
[10:14] <alf1975> games ?
[10:30] <alf1975> an idea
[10:30] <alf1975> moust of the PC with a dedicated GPU and some dedicated Sound Card
[10:30] <alf1975> they have onboard all Intel GPU disable and onboard Realtek SoundCard
[10:30] <alf1975> and the onboard GPU and Soundcard could help the ones enabled ?
[10:30] <alf1975> more speed ? yes
[10:35] <alf1975> imagine a Nvidia Card GPU with the Intel Onboard as  coprocessor ?
[10:35] <alf1975> more speed brothers
[10:35] <alf1975> yes must me made in the kernel
[11:04] <ghancock> When I close the lid on my kubuntu notebook it seems to go to sleep, however, the battery will only last about 1 day in this mode.  So it obviously is not going to sleep.  Any way to fix this?
[11:15] <Lilly> #linux
[11:16] <Lilly> #paradise
[11:16] <Lilly> diogeness
[11:16] <Lilly> *diogenes
[11:26] <alf1975> [12:25] <alf1975> Lubuntu 19.04
[11:26] <alf1975> [12:25] <alf1975> Lubuntu 19.04
[11:27] <alf1975> [12:25] <alf1975> This standard release was made on schedule on 18 April 2019.[149]
[11:27] <alf1975> [12:25] <alf1975> This release marked the first Lubuntu version without 32-bit support. Lubuntu developer Simon Quigley wrote in December 2018:[150]
[11:27] <alf1975> [12:25] <alf1975> source wiki
[11:27] <alf1975> [12:25] <alf1975> it worked very well on a Pentium IV with 19 years old
[11:28] <alf1975> Xubuntu 19.04
[11:28] <alf1975> Xubuntu 19.04 Disco Dingo
[11:28] <alf1975> Xubuntu 19.04 was released on 18 April 2019.[115] Starting with this version, Xubuntu no longer offered 32-bit ISOs.[116]
[11:29] <alf1975> Canonical is British in FTSE
[11:29] <alf1975> is not a Microsoft company
[11:29] <alf1975> is from Google !
[11:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:31] <Maik> alf1975: if you just want to chit-chat go to offtopic, you've been asked kindly before to do so. Thanks in advance.
[12:31] <Maik> !discuss
[12:32] <Maik> or #kubuntu-offtopic for that matter
[13:35] <Lilly> hello all
[13:35] <BluesKaj> hi Lilly
[13:35] <Lilly> How are you?
[13:36] <BluesKaj> ok here Lilly, and you?
[13:36] <Lilly> I´m fine
[13:36] <Lilly> Hello mikedk
[13:37] <mikedk> Hi Lilly
[13:37] <Lilly> How are you?
[13:38] <mikedk> Fine and you?
[13:38] <Lilly> I´m fine too
[13:38] <Lilly> Sorry but my kids call me this moment. I must go.
[13:38] <mikedk> brb, installing new Nvidia
[13:39] <Lilly> I hope that its ok?
[13:39] <Lilly> :-(
[16:29] <sinfo208__> hola
[16:29] <sinfo208__> como estan por aqui
[16:29] <sinfo208__> ==)))¿¿¿¿¿'????
 @Guest28355, thanks i got it working.
[17:29] <torz> Hi, i'm currently running kubuntu 21.04 on an asus g513q. since the update to linux 5.11 the keyboard seems to be missbehaving slightly. I have "Power key pressed." in my syslog multiple times while typing. also the screenshot app came up while i was using the arrow keys
[17:29] <torz> not really sure how/where to report it
[17:29] <Maik> launchpad
[17:29] <torz> or how to start troubleshooting it
[17:30] <Maik> since 21.04 is still in developement #ubuntu+1 would be the place to ask but there's not much activity in the channel torz
[17:31] <torz> ah ok, i'll check that out
[17:31] <Maik> i'm not sure but probably report it against the kernel
[18:04] <UFFR_87> Having an unusual recurring problem of my computer's keyboard suddenly stops working for no apparent reason. It happens at least once a month and is pretty random. Restarting the computer normally does not work, but it shows that this issue may be indicative of some deeper problem as it takes a very long time to restart (much longer than normal). In order to fix the issue, I have to force restart by holding the power button until
[18:04] <UFFR_87> it turns off.
[18:04] <UFFR_87> Running Kubuntu 20.04, KDE Plasma 5.18.5
[18:05] <UFFR_87> Mouse still works however
[18:06] <UFFR_87> The OS is also stored on an external hard drive plugged in via USB, however, I do not believe this to be the cause of the issue.
[20:04] <shagg> hey all... new to Ubuntu... having issues getting sound from Razer Kraken headest. Worked perfectly just a week ago.
[20:04] <shagg> using ubuntu 20.10
[20:54] <kasiskol> Hello? hola?
[20:56] <kasiskol> Why enypne speak? Por qué nadie habla?
[20:56] <kasiskol> anyone*
[21:03] <Maik> !es | kasiskol
[21:03] <Maik> also
[21:03] <kasiskol> Someone :o
[21:03] <Maik> !discuss
[21:04] <Maik> or #kubuntu-offtopic
[21:04] <Maik> kasiskol: ^
[21:04] <Maik> chit chat is elsewhere ;)
[21:05] <kasiskol> ok em for united to a some channel, what i do?
[21:07] <Maik> kasiskol: i don't understand what you mean but this is a support channel for Kubuntu. Best to seek channels in your native language.
[21:07] <kasiskol> Hehe I'm new here
[21:08] <Maik> i explained enough and pointed you to a spanish speaking channel
[21:09] <Maik> if you don't have a kubuntu support question then please move onto offtopic if you only want to chit chat


[07:55] <nhaines> pleia2: sleep!
[07:56] <pleia2> I really should
[07:56] <pleia2> flying back east tomorrow night on a red eye
[07:57] <nhaines> It's okay.  I'm writing.  I have 17k words to write, and I work best under pressure.  So it's going to be another couple hours tonight at least.  :)
[07:58] <pleia2> I turned on my Preface today, it was my final chapter-thing \o/
[07:58] <nhaines> The next time I fly, I'm just going to take the "Star Trek TNG Ambient Engine Noise (Idling for 24 hours)" from YouTube and rip the audio and stick it on my phone.
[07:58] <pleia2> I suppose with noise-cancelling headphones that could work
[07:58] <nhaines> Although the last time I used it, I think I did the DS9 ambient sound for 4 houres and then the spacedrive script from my phone (basically the same as the TNG sound) for 4.
[07:59] <nhaines> Congrats on turning in the final chapter thing!  \o/
[07:59] <pleia2> hehe
[07:59] <pleia2> thanks :) I'm excited
[07:59] <pleia2> just waiting to hear back on a few final rounds of reviews for some dangling chapters
[07:59] <pleia2> but feedback should be pretty minimal, this being final round and all
[07:59] <nhaines> I'm looking forward to seeing the final result!
[07:59] <pleia2> thanks :)
[07:59] <pleia2> it probably is not horrible \o/
[08:00] <nhaines> Well, that's the trick.  :)
[08:00] <pleia2> hehe
[08:00] <nhaines> I'm currently annoyed at my publisher for late feedback.  But luckily my current project is finishing a novel a friend flamed out on.
[08:01] <nhaines> I read it, created a new plot outline, shoehorned in the 24k he'd already written, and now I'm writing around it.  Which is fun because I can take the scenes that were 'finished' (he had half a first draft) and polish them a little to match the new plot.
[08:02] <nhaines> So this kind of ghostwriting is fun.
[08:04] <pleia2> nice :)
[08:05] <pleia2> my father started writing a novel before he passed away, I have all his drafts
[08:05] <nhaines> Ooh.
[08:05] <pleia2> but fiction is not my forte, and it's a mystery that I don't know how he planned on ending
[08:05] <pleia2> mystery is a special breed of tricky fiction
[08:05] <nhaines> Oh, definitely.  I want soooo badly to write it.  But it's very tricksy.
[08:06] <nhaines> This novel is a kind of pulp romance.  So it's sort of fun.
[08:06] <pleia2> cool
[08:07] <nhaines> Indie romance focuses a lot on character interactions, so banter is a big part of it, and I really enjoy that, because I'm pretty good at ad-libbing in real life anyway.
[08:08] <nhaines> I'm in a fight with the original author about the heroine discovering the terrible lie was actually hiding a heart of gold (cliché!) due to a printed email he accidentally left behind when he got kicked out.
[08:08] <nhaines> He claims no one prints emails, so it's totally implausible.
[08:08] <nhaines> I said "If you have an important email, you print it out and put it in a manila folder and then put that in a hanging folder so you can refer back to it in your filing cabinet if you want to look it up later."
[08:09] <nhaines> But actually the idea is it has travel itinerary plans or something with some notes.  He said he's just going to change it if I write it, and I said "I'm ghostwriting, so that's a you problem, not a me problem."
[08:10] <nhaines> Now that I think of it, when he asked "Why on earth would anybody ever print an email if they have a smartphone?" I should have said "You can't fax an email from a smartphone."
[08:10] <nhaines> I think I'll say that the next time it comes up.
[08:13] <DonkeyHotei> actually, you can
[08:13] <DonkeyHotei> there are many online fax services now
[08:13] <nhaines> Maybe, but he'll be upset at the idea that faxing is still a thing.
[08:14] <pleia2> nhaines: hah
[08:15] <pleia2> so I got a thinkpad bluetooth keyboard with a trackpoint
[08:15] <pleia2> just saw my tablet go all convergence for this first time!
[08:16] <pleia2> didn't do that when I had just my old keyboard paired
[08:16] <nhaines> Nope, needs a mouse or manual toggle for that.  :)
[08:18] <pleia2> TIL :)
[08:18] <nhaines> I probably should've picked up the Logitech keyboard with a trackpad.  But the keyboard-only one I got is a really decent, chunky keyboard, and since I write so much, that's probably for the best.
[08:18] <pleia2> I just don't want Yet Another Thing to charge
[08:18] <nhaines> pleia2: you can use the gear menu to toggle "Desktop Mode" on or off, if you don't like the default.  :)
[08:19] <pleia2> it was surprising and unsettling, haha
[08:19] <nhaines> Oh yeah.  These use standard rechargable, and I have plenty of those.
[08:19] <pleia2> my husband is like "I think it's a desktop now"
[08:19] <pleia2> he's pretty smart
[08:19] <pleia2> :)
[08:19] <nhaines> Haha, "Welcome to the new Ubuntu, same as the old Ubuntu."  :)
[08:20] <pleia2> alright, I should attempt sleep now
[08:20] <pleia2> good night DonkeyHotei and nhaines
[08:20] <nhaines> I did that at the last OCLUG meeting on a projector.  It was met with alarm and joy.
[08:20] <pleia2> nice
[08:20] <nhaines> In the vein of "Oh wow, that looks fantastic!  It's come so far from 2 months ago.  It's so polished now!"
[08:21] <nhaines> Okay, back to writing for me, too.  Good night!  :)
[19:53] <nhandler> pleia2: Still thinking ~30 people?
[19:53] <nhandler> (re: release party)
[19:54] <pleia2> nhandler: yeah
[19:55] <pleia2> I'll bug jono to do his famous person magic promoting
[20:51] <nhandler> pleia2: Doesn't look like we will be able to host an event of this size. They would like the events to be a bit larger to justify the security and overtime costs.
[20:51] <pleia2> nhandler: ok, thanks for trying