[00:05] <IdleOne> why doesn't ubottu know everything?
[00:07] <bazhang> !everything`
 Sorry, I don't know anything about everything`
[00:54] <bazhang> installing a latest kernel on an unsupported derivate
[00:55] <bazhang> of late , it seems #ubuntu has become the uber -- ##linux channel where every distro user asks their question ('coz I get a fast answer')
[01:30] <bazhang> Tux19 is randomly PM'ing newcomers to the channel
[01:34] <bazhang> got him in PM
[01:34] <bazhang> he claims its to welcome people to the linux community for chat
[03:56] <edbian> bazhang: It's illegal to identify the sender of an email?
[03:57] <bazhang> edbian, he wants to do something illegal. lets move on
[03:57] <edbian> You're the op
[03:58] <bazhang> spamming is not a supported activity on #ubuntu nor on freenode
[04:00] <edbian> bazhang: I'd like to discuss it more if that's ok.  Out of curiosity (and for next time someone asks something like this)
[04:01] <bazhang> edbian, whats to discuss? he asked about an illegal activity
[04:01] <edbian> bazhang: But wouldn't it be good to show him how to identify who sent the email?
[04:01] <edbian> That's not illegal (it's the opposite)
[04:02] <bazhang> he clearly said he wanted to spam the spammer.  that part is.
[04:02] <edbian> So you write him off completely?
[04:03] <bazhang> I want to rob a bank; where can I get a car for it
[04:04] <edbian> I suppose if I showed you how to buy cars (even if you promised not to) it sort of would be aiding a criminal activity
[04:05] <bazhang> this is so cut and dried its not worth discussion. he asked how to do something illegal. end of story. not suppored in ubuntu namespace nor on freenode.
[04:05] <bazhang> no one was written off
[04:06] <edbian> I agree
[04:06] <edbian> Thanks for discussing it with me :)
[04:06] <edbian> (even if you are a bit blunt about it :) )
[04:10] <IdleOne> edbian:
[04:10] <edbian> IdleOne:
[04:11] <IdleOne> next time someone asks how to spam a spammer tell them to call their ISP and ask them, see if the ISP would be happy to hear about their servers being used to do something illegal
[04:11] <edbian> IdleOne: how do you know the spammer's ISP ?
[04:11] <bazhang> got chubcorp in PM now
[04:11] <IdleOne> simple as that. he asked how to commit a crime. We can't help with that.
[04:11] <edbian> bazhang: Is it getting hot and steamy in there?
[04:12] <edbian> IdleOne: Do you mean he should have called his own ISP (is email relayed through them?)
[04:12] <IdleOne> What he should do is mark it as spam and forget about it.
[04:13] <bazhang> he basically wanted to enact some vigilante style justice
[04:13] <edbian> IdleOne: alright
[04:13] <edbian> yeah
[04:13] <bazhang> not really a hard call at all.
[04:14] <IdleOne> nope
[04:14] <bazhang> how do I get the latest 2fast2furious movieZZZ!!!
[04:14] <IdleOne> Blockbuster will have them on the shelf in about  months or so
[04:14] <IdleOne> -!ot
[04:14] <IdleOne> -!illegal
[04:15] <IdleOne> 3 months*
[04:15] <edbian> I suppose the vigilante thing muddled it for me :)
[04:15] <IdleOne> I think we have a !warez also
[04:15] <edbian> I can relate to how he was feeling
[04:16] <bazhang> regardless
[04:16] <IdleOne> edbian: we have all been spammed
[04:16] <bazhang> its not the vigilante-revenge channel
[04:16] <edbian> Not trying to justify my actions.  Just talking
[04:16] <edbian> Is there a vigilante-revenge channel?
[04:16] <bazhang> edbian, you did nothing wrong
[04:16] <bazhang> thanks for joining to discuss/clarify
[04:16] <IdleOne> edbian: lol not on this network :P
[04:17] <edbian> :)
[04:18] <bazhang> it forwards to ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding
[04:18] <edbian> I checked it
[04:18] <edbian> haha
[04:27] <bazhang> tux19 is randomly PM'ing people again
[04:27] <edbian> he did it to me too
[04:27] <bazhang> he's been warned repeatedly NOT to do that.
[04:28] <bazhang> also the "does anyone need help"
[05:06] <bazhang> a number of users have complained about the private PM on join by tux19. I PM'd him yesterday and today and he feels its okay to solicit these people for his private chat
[05:06] <hypatia> probably time for a ban if he doesnt get that that's not appropriate
[05:07] <bazhang> he's had ample warning and two PM
[05:07] <hypatia> banninate
[05:07] <bazhang> and chubcorp (also in PM) sees absolutely nothing wrong with going on a spam attack against his spammers
[05:08] <bazhang> he's had several warnings and a /remove as well as a lengthy PM
[05:10] <rww> banninating the trollitude, banninating the users; baninating all the sillies in #ubuntu-offtopic!~~
[05:48] <bazhang> * [bot7425] (~bot7425@adsl-68-20-33-229.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net): bot7425   erict15 is running it in #ubuntu
[05:51] <IdleOne> is it a nuisance in any way?
[05:51] <bazhang> he's using it to send messages about #ubuntu to his game server
[05:53] <Flannel> It's also joined (and left) ten times in the past 45 minutes
[05:53] <IdleOne> hmm think he would need IRCC approval for that
[05:54] <bazhang> and he's said "test" each time
[05:54] <Flannel> not every time (I only see four or so tests)
[05:55] <bazhang> sorry, busy in PM with chubcorp , him, and tux19
[06:20] <bazhang> no explanation other than he needs to send messages to his game server about #ubuntu and "cuz it's the biggest channel"
[06:25] <Flannel> I imagine he changed the bot's nick to maklesh*
[06:25] <Flannel> but regardless, I'm forwarding it to fix-your-connection
[06:25] <bazhang> thanks Flannel
[13:01] <bazhang> bullshark is PMing people to join his channel ##blackhats
 bazhang >>> u get that PM?
[13:02] <bazhang> now complaining in PM not to PM him
[13:44] <jussi> bazhang: advertising non namespace channels is not acceptale, give hima warning, remove if necessary
[13:45] <bazhang> jussi, I did. he is back but stopped with the advertising.
[13:45] <jussi> bazhang: then all good - as long as it has really stopped :)
[21:57] <popey> @btlogin
[22:33] <fisch246> can i ask what i did?
[22:33] <fisch246> topyli: ^
[22:35] <popey> seems you were trolling in -ot and making up your own rules about trolling
[22:38] <LjL> fisch246: while we wait for topyli, i'd just like to inform you you're not banned, in case you didn't realize
[22:42] <topyli> fisch246: i removed you both, but neither of you are banned. your discussion was not beneficial for the friendly atmosphere we aim for, and you refused to change the tone
[22:42] <topyli> you're free to return, but take the free tip when you get them :)
[22:47] <topyli> fisch246: if there are no further issues, please don't idle here. return to #ubuntu-offtopic instead for example


[00:00] <KM0201> do you think we'll ever see a time when you walk into a best buy, etc.. and buy a pc/laptop w/o an operating system, and you can purchase it separately (or use your own)....
[00:01] <stlsaint> KM0201: nope, but you can order one from off line that will be cheaper than store with no OS
[00:01] <KM0201> i doubt that
[00:02] <KM0201> i got a pretty nice laptop for $299 out the door saturday
[00:02] <KM0201> it SUCKS w/ 7 (not enough ram)... but it's awesome w/ Lubuntu.
[00:03] <stlsaint> KM0201: nice
[00:03] <KM0201> they sell you a cheap laptop, knowing your'e gonna be totally irritated that it's slow, because it doesn't have enough ram.
[00:03] <KM0201> i wonder how many got hoodwinked by that.
[00:04] <KM0201> and then.. i had to tell that clown at best buy, "No, I don't want any antivirus... I don't care that it's free"
[00:05] <KM0201> so the guy finally gets the drift i don't want AV, a free trial of office, etc.. takes me to the Geek Squad to check out (already knew i'd be in for another sales pitch)
[00:05] <KM0201> and of course they want to set my laptop up for me, and install Norton, and MS Office, bla bla bla.
[00:05] <KM0201> i finally had to tell them i'm just not interested in their stuff, and they finally let me pay
[02:33] <linuxman410> anyone here
[02:33] <linuxman410> lubuntu uses less ram than puppylinux
[02:34] <KM0201> linuxman410: i dunno about that
[02:34] <KM0201> how much ram does your system have
[02:35] <linuxman410> KM0201 i tried puppy live cd and lubuntu live cd with 768 ram and lubuntu was faster
[02:36] <KM0201> linuxman410: hmm, don't really see how thats possible, but.. ok.
[02:37] <linuxman410> KM0201 does lubuntu decided on lmde yet or not
[02:37] <KM0201> lmde?
[02:37] <KM0201> linux mint debian edition?
[02:37] <linuxman410> i mean light version
[02:38] <KM0201> i have no idea what you're talking about
[02:38] <KM0201> how much lighter can lubuntu be?
[02:39] <alazare619> i think he means a minimal install
[02:39] <alazare619> ie no apps
[02:39] <Unit193> linuxman410: LightDM or LXDM?
[02:39] <alazare619> wich in all honesty if you want that just get debian netinstalll and start from scratch
[02:39] <Unit193> linuxman410: There is always lubuntu-core
[02:39] <linuxman410> KM0201 they was talking about changing from lxde to something lighter i forget what it was
[02:39] <Unit193> !info lubuntu-core
[02:40] <linuxman410> light gm
[02:40] <KM0201> linuxman410: dunno, i like lxde, so i hope they don't change it just for the sake of changing it.
[02:40] <alazare619> afaik why not just do debian and choose your guy from the netinstall...
[02:40] <alazare619> or ubuntu netinstall
[02:40] <KM0201> never heard of light gm
[02:40] <KM0201> linuxman410: or do you mean light gdm?
[02:40] <linuxman410> yes
[02:41] <KM0201> i dunno
[02:41] <KM0201> i just hope they don't screw up lubuntu...
[02:41] <KM0201> Unit193: what is that alternative log in screen you sent me a while ago.
[02:41] <Unit193> Lubuntu uses LXDE and that will not change
[02:41] <KM0201> i wanna put that on my new laptop
[02:41] <Unit193> LightDM is what it's (so far) going with in 11.10
[02:41] <Unit193> KM0201: GDM
[02:42] <KM0201> ok.
[02:42] <Unit193> KM0201: Doesn't seem to work the best with Lubuntu
[02:42] <KM0201> Unit193: i got it on a desktop working fine w/ lubuntu
[02:43] <Unit193> Alrighty then, I never tried that hard :P
[02:44] <KM0201> brb
[02:47] <KM0201> it works fine
[02:47] <KM0201> i put it on my mom/dads/sisters PC... it was easier than telling them to type user names.
[02:47] <KM0201> now it's kinda like they had w/ Ubuntu, click a username, enter password
[02:49] <KM0201> that was weird
[02:49] <Unit193> KM0201: That's how it's going to be with LightDM (If they stick with it)
[02:50] <KM0201> yeah.
[02:51] <KM0201> Unit193: i kinda hope they go w/ it
[02:51] <KM0201> i like it
[02:51] <KM0201> but the default lubuntu screen doesn't bother me either.
[02:59] <KM0201> hmm, think i might have screwed something up
[02:59] <KM0201> lol, i'll know ina  second
[03:01] <alazare619> hows lubuntu performance everyone id like to know a little before i wipe my crunchbang laptop
[03:02] <linuxman410> KM0201 when is 11.10 coming out
[03:03] <KM0201> ok, got it fixed
[03:03] <KM0201> seems lxdm didn't co-operate as easily as i thought it would..lol
[03:03] <linuxman410> KM0201 when is 11.10 coming out
[03:03] <KM0201> 11.10 ---- october 2011
[03:04] <KM0201> linuxman410: thats how all ubuntu's are version numbers ar edone.... (Year year/month month)...
[03:04] <KM0201> so.. 4.10 came out... october of 2004
[03:04] <KM0201> 6.06 --- June of 06
[03:04] <KM0201> and so forth
[08:53] <john_rambo> when I click on the start menu, launchers ...nothing happens
[08:54] <john_rambo> opened xchat using Gnomedo
[09:02] <john_rambo> when I click on the start menu, launchers ...nothing happens  ..Just rebooted but same thing
[16:52] <zkriesse_> hello lubuntu-ers
[20:25] <EagleScreen> hello
[20:26] <EagleScreen> hoe can i enable auto-login in 11.04?
[20:32] <EagleScreen> I dont want to have to type my user and password in lxdm each time I start the computer up
[21:49] <lubun> i cant delete or transfer files off of my mp3 players and flash drive... it always shows errors... (i just did a fresh install) do i need to install drivers?
[21:51] <KM0201> lubun: what type of mp3 player and flash drive?
[21:51] <lubun> i have an old ipod nano... a phillips go gear aria, and a usb stick cruzer?
[21:52] <lubun> KM0201: see above
[21:52] <KM0201> ok, the "old nano".. use gtkpod to sync... ou can't drag/drop to them
[21:52] <KM0201> the cruzer... that's a sandisk isn't it?
[21:52] <lubun> yes
[21:52] <KM0201> ok
[21:53] <KM0201> on sandisk thumb drives, sandisk puts a utility on them, to keep them from being used on anything but windows, there's a utility you can install either from the ubuntur epositories (it's a command line utility) to remove that, you can use fdisk under ubuntu to do it, or you can boot wndows (if you still have it) and download a tool from sandisk, to remove it
[21:55] <lubun> let me try and find that
[21:58] <KM0201> lubun: if you still have windows....  http://u3.sandisk.com/launchpadremoval.htm
[21:59] <lubun> i do have it but on another pc.
[21:59] <KM0201> ok, then you'd need to sudo apt-get install u3-tool
[22:00] <KM0201> you might even be able to use fdisk to just wreck the thumb drive, and then format it to a new filesystem.
[22:00] <KM0201> lubun: keep mind, all those tools, you will lose data, so make sure any important data on the thumb drive, is backed up
[22:01] <lubun> well... i backup everything on a external HDD before i went from Ubuntu to Lubuntu. idk what happened, but now they dont work under lubuntu...
[22:03] <KM0201> lubun: your external hard drive (that worked on Ubuntu) won't work on Lubuntu?
[22:03] <lubun> no  i mean the devices
[22:04] <lubun> KM0201: its the mp3's that are not working... they worked fine in ubuntu
[22:04] <KM0201> li don't understand, an mp3, is a file, not a device.
[22:04] <KM0201> are you saying you cant play mp3s?
[22:04] <lubun> the only thing i ddint like was that the mp3 always had the music mixed up when i played it.
[22:05] <lubun> mp3 device
[22:05] <lubun> the go gear, the flash drive, the ipod
[22:05] <KM0201> ok, i don't know about the go gear and the flash drive, but the ipod, install gtkpod
[22:05] <lubun> well actuall i just got the sandisk but so idk about that
[22:05] <lubun> k
[22:05] <lubun> let me try to use that now
[22:14] <cg2916> how do you join the lubuntu artwork team?
[22:15] <KM0201> cg2916: i dunno, but they need help
[22:15] <KM0201> lol
[22:15] <cg2916> ok
[22:15] <KM0201> phillw: probably knows
[22:15] <cg2916> what with?
[22:16] <cg2916> phillw, do you know?
[22:16] <lubun> KM0201: heres a kind of off topic question do you know how to take pictures out of a ipod and save them to the computer?
[22:16] <KM0201> lol, uh, everything. lubuntu's artwork leaves a bit to be desired (although thats part of its charm)
[22:16] <KM0201> lubun: as far as i know, gtkpod should be able to do that... i don't have an ipod anymore...
[22:18] <cg2916> phillw must be afk
[22:18] <cg2916> he seems to know a lot, considering i see his name on every other page on the wiki
[22:18] <KM0201> lol, i think thats his "job" (to updat the wiki)
[22:19] <cg2916> yeah
[22:21] <cg2916> so, nobody knows about the artwork team other than phillw?
[22:21] <saganbyte> Hi there :)
[22:21] <saganbyte> I just installed Lubuntu for the first time and was wondering how I could change the font size for the system
[22:21] <saganbyte> In Ubuntu it was Preferences>Appearance, how s it in Lubuntu
[22:22] <saganbyte> Ok found id
[22:22] <saganbyte> it*
[22:22] <saganbyte> Thanks anyway :)
[22:22] <cg2916> sent phillw an email
[22:24] <lubun> even gtk wont let me delete,,,?
[22:24] <KM0201> delete what?
[22:24] <KM0201> songs on an ipod
[22:24] <KM0201> ?
[22:25] <lubun> yeah, i just get errors
[22:25] <KM0201> hmm
[22:27] <lubun> thats how i feel
[22:27] <KM0201> lo.l
[22:28] <KM0201> !ipod
[22:46] <KM0201> lubun: what happens when you try to sync the ipod back to your pc?
[22:48] <cg2916> phillw, you there now?
[22:48] <lubun> it says full, but thats becuase i have to much music
[22:49] <KM0201> jmm


 How long must I wait?
[00:22] <CrashOverride> 1 week or what?
[00:23] <jpds> Ouch.
[00:23] <Tm_T> nixterna1_: please write quick howto if there's no one yet so others can enjoy it too (:
[00:24] <nixterna1_> Tm_T: yeah, i will probably just do that, but i can't get a straight answer via freenode on this new issue
[00:24] <jpds> Tm_T: http://blog.freenode.net/2010/01/connecting-to-freenode-using-tor-sasl/
[00:24] <Tm_T> jpds: tor?
[00:24] <jpds> nixterna1_: You probably have enforce set on your nick, which caused the Guest'ness, hence why you had to release the nick.
[00:24] <nixternal> oh this is stupid as hell
[00:25] <jpds> Tm_T: Scroll down to the "irssi" bit.
[00:25] <Guest44311> holy f*)#@$)*@*
[00:25] <jpds> ...
[00:25] <bazhang> :0
[00:25] <Tm_T> Guest44311: nownow
[00:25] <Guest44311> here, this is my now now
[00:27] <CrashOverride> bazhang: Did you see my question I asked?
[00:48] <CrashOverride> Can someone unban me from #Ubuntu now?
[00:48] <CrashOverride> unmute srry
[00:48] <CrashOverride> :P
[00:49] <elky> Why were you muted?
[00:49] <CrashOverride> I already talked to bazhang
[00:49] <CrashOverride> but he didnt reply back about it
[00:49] <bazhang> CrashOverride, hi
[00:49] <CrashOverride> I was muted for being disrepectful as well as cursing
[00:50] <bazhang> CrashOverride, looking back at the logs, this seems the second incident you were involved in today
[00:50] <CrashOverride> I have now read the Terms Of Conduct and Guidelines I was given
[00:50] <CrashOverride> Really?
[00:50] <CrashOverride> I was only banned once today
[00:50] <CrashOverride> and that was this mute
[00:50] <bazhang> and were spoken to by an operator earlier as well
[00:50] <CrashOverride> i dont think
[00:50] <CrashOverride> so
[00:51] <CrashOverride> I dont recall it
[00:51] <CrashOverride> Care to refresh my memory pls
[00:51] <bazhang> an incident involving cowbud
[00:52] <CrashOverride> is he an op?
[00:52] <CrashOverride> I remember him but I didnt get in trouble for it
[00:52] <CrashOverride> no +b or +q
[00:52] <CrashOverride> or anything
[00:52] <bazhang> CrashOverride, that being said, please come back in 24h and we can discuss again
[00:52] <CrashOverride> Not uh
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I didnt get in trouble earilier
[00:53] <CrashOverride> :(
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I been patient here all this time
[00:53] <CrashOverride> Normal people would just leave and forget it
[00:53] <bazhang> that's fine. 24h and we'll discuss again.
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I didnt do anything wrong before
[00:53] <CrashOverride> so no 24 hour ban
[00:53] <CrashOverride> :9
[00:53] <CrashOverride> I deserved a mute yes
[00:53] <CrashOverride> but not a 24 hour ban
[00:54] <CrashOverride> that is not right
[00:54] <bazhang> CrashOverride, you're rather dramatic exit a short while ago changed the considerations involved
[00:54] <CrashOverride> hmm
[00:54] <CrashOverride> Is their a op abuse channel I can talk with
[00:54] <CrashOverride> cause Your abusing me and Im not gonna let it happen no more
[00:54] <bazhang> !appeals > CrashOverride
[00:55] <CrashOverride> I been calm all this time
[00:55] <CrashOverride> Your appeal process online takes 84 hours
[00:55] <CrashOverride> so no
[00:55] <CrashOverride> I been waiting here caimly this whole time
[00:55] <CrashOverride> Im not just about to leave
[00:55] <CrashOverride> :(
[00:55] <bazhang> well the alternative is to return in 24h and discuss again
[00:56] <CrashOverride> haha
[00:56] <CrashOverride> so that way you can say 24 more hours over and over
[00:56] <CrashOverride> This is just racist man
[00:56] <bazhang> not really.
[00:56] <CrashOverride> Yes
[00:56] <CrashOverride> Race being the op
[00:56] <CrashOverride> and race by me being the user
[00:56] <bazhang> the sooner this is resolved the better
[00:56] <CrashOverride> exactly
[00:57] <CrashOverride> I say we resolve it NOW
[00:57] <CrashOverride> not in 24 hours
[00:57] <bazhang> so please return when you have had time to cool down and consider your behaviour of late.
[00:57] <CrashOverride> 24 hours will make it so I wont ever help again
[00:57] <CrashOverride> thats all ima say
[00:57] <bazhang> ie , in 24h
[00:57] <CrashOverride> Nope
[00:57] <CrashOverride> I want to talk to someone else
[00:57] <bazhang> okay.
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Other than an abusive op like yourself
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Where is your supervisor
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Someone in charge of all the ops
[00:58] <bazhang> you have been given the appeals link, is that not correct?
[00:58] <CrashOverride> I dont care for those
[00:58] <bazhang> ardchoille, hi
[00:58] <CrashOverride> Im not gonna waste my time
[00:59] <CrashOverride> appealing online
[00:59] <ardchoille> Suspicious users in#ubuntu.   Canonical offers it.
[01:18] <CrashOverride> I was thinking about buying it
[01:18] <CrashOverride> but I lost my intrest
[01:18] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: all needed links has been provided to you, something else we can help you with?
[01:18] <CrashOverride> Because of this
[01:18] <CrashOverride> Im not
[01:19] <elky> These irc channels are volunteers who for the most part have not had any part in the creation of the software. they owe you nothing.
[01:19] <CrashOverride> I dont care
[01:19] <CrashOverride> You treat your customers like SHIT
[01:19] <Tm_T> CrashOverride: all needed links has been provided to you, something else we can help you with?
[01:19] <CrashOverride> THEN I WONT BOTHER BUYING IT
[01:19] <CrashOverride> forget it
[01:19] <CrashOverride> Im not gonna
[01:20] <elky> Ok then. Bye.
[01:20] <CrashOverride> bye
[01:20] <CrashOverride> I might be back in 24 hours to appeal
[01:20] <CrashOverride> ^_^
[01:21] <Tm_T> (:)
[01:21] <elky> Figures.
[01:21] <Tm_T> he doesn't buy what?
[01:22] <elky> Canonical support. Because a completely different set of people in these here channels won't let him abuse them whilst he asks for help.
[01:23] <elky> Totally logical and all that.
[01:23] <Tm_T> interesting logic overall
[01:23] <Pici> Well handled, as always.
[01:24] <Tm_T> he has already said he will do some ban dodge
[01:24] <Tm_T> so you might need to watch for it
[01:24] <elky> Tm_T, has he actually enacted it yet?
[01:24] <Tm_T> not that I know, as he's not banned, just muted
[01:24] <Pici> I was busy reading the scrollback when I saw that elky had already started to respond, thought I'd wait in the wings.
[01:24] <elky> Tm_T, if it's not been enacted yet, then it probably won't be.
[01:25] <Tm_T> true
[01:27] <Tm_T> elky: Pici: if you didn't see his first visit here, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/31/%23ubuntu-ops.html
[01:27] <Tm_T> right at the beginning
[01:27] <Pici> Yeah, I read it, twice actually.
[01:29] <elky> yeah, it is in my scrollback too
[01:33] <Tm_T> now back to hunting pink unicorn pony ->
[02:36] <nixternal> Tm_Tr: http://blog.nixternal.com/2010.01.30/freenode-irc-connect-and-auth-securely/
[02:39] <Tm_T> danke
[02:39] <nixternal> stupid planet.ubuntu.com grabbed a copy of my un-updated version that fixes Freenode and freenode
[02:40] <Flannel> yay
[02:41] <pleia2> nixternal: oh no, you're telling people to edit .irssi/config, beware the wrath of #irssi :)
[02:42] <nixternal> screw them
[02:42] <pleia2> hah!
[02:42] <nixternal> easier to config irssi that way
[02:42] <nixternal> plus, I can't remember the commands and didn't feel like looking them up
[02:43] <nixternal> and, people who use irssi should be comfortable editing a config file :)
[02:43] <elky> i should probably find an update for chanserv.py some time too...
[02:43] <elky> oh well, off to buy disposable fountain pens
[02:44] <Flannel> and auto bleh
[02:44] <Flannel> Isn't someone already working on it?
[02:44] <nixternal> there, added a warning to it :)
[02:45]  * pleia2 gives nixternal a gold star
[02:45] <nixternal> WARNING: It has been brought to my attention that the Irssi folks get mad when people tell you to edit the config file instead of using the commands, so with that, backup your config file first, and if anything goes wrong, not my fault :)
[02:45] <elky> Flannel, yeah, several folk i think. this sort of stuff really ought be in vcs somewhere
[02:46] <elky> Flannel, in fact... we should be putting this stuff in vcs, with branches for different folks' preferences
[02:47] <Flannel> That would make sense though.
[02:47] <Flannel> We can own a bzr branch as a team, that'd make the most sense.
[02:47] <Flannel> Instead of [someonee
[02:47] <Flannel> Instead of [someone's server], which while useful, will go offline in 2 years when we need it most.
[02:48] <elky> Flannel, yeah
[03:34] <Amaranth> So anyone get chanserv.py going again?
[03:49] <nhandler> Amaranth: pastebin the script, I'll modify it for you
[03:50] <Amaranth> nhandler: actually it looks like tsimpson already did
[03:51] <nhandler> :)
[07:27] <Myrtti> charming
[09:41] <Tm_T> !away > eaglewatch
[11:01] <Flannel> uh.
[11:01] <Flannel> Forwards are different now, right?
[11:02] <Tm_T> shoudln't
[11:02] <Tm_T> or, no I have no idea actually
[11:02] <Flannel> $ instead of ! and... oh, bother.
[11:02] <Flannel> you have to have access in both channels.
[11:02] <Flannel> Well, lets see if this works
[11:03] <Flannel> aha.  Old format still works for setting, they just get translated
[11:03] <Flannel> but, still need access, so lets see if this works.
[11:05] <Flannel> Blargh
[11:05] <Flannel> Alright.
[11:05] <Flannel> We need to set this channel to +F
[11:06] <Flannel> And I guess in the meantime, just keep an eye out for DryGrain
[11:07] <Tm_T> works now?
[11:07] <Flannel> It should, let me test
[11:07] <Flannel> Yep
[11:08] <Flannel> We'll need unregged and read-topic to be +F as well probably
[11:09] <Tm_T> indeed
[11:10] <Tm_T> done
[11:10] <Myrtti> !away > travmon
[11:21] <tsimpson> Flannel: we don't need to, the floodbots have +o in them
[11:22] <Tm_T> tsimpson: are floodbots only one who will do redirects?
[11:22] <Flannel> tsimpson: I wonder if you need it to remove forwards?
[11:22] <tsimpson> Tm_T: 99.9% of the time
[11:22] <tsimpson> Flannel: no, it's just a normal ban in that case
[11:22] <Flannel> tsimpson: Also, I don't think +F would hurt, and who knows what someone might need to do manually one of these days
[11:23] <Tm_T> tsimpson: I would keep +F even for just 0.01 %
[11:23] <tsimpson> all ubuntu/member/* people have +o in both those channels too
[11:23] <Tm_T> hmm, are all ops members too?
[11:23] <jussi01> no
[11:23] <Flannel> Is there any downside to having +F?
[11:23] <tsimpson> not at the moment anyway
[11:24] <tsimpson> the only downside (or upside, depending on your POV) to +F is that ops for other channels can forward there
[11:25] <Flannel> Is that an issue we've had previously? (since that used to be the case anyway)
[11:25] <tsimpson> there is really no way to tell
[11:26] <Tm_T> tsimpson: its upside, remember locos
[11:26] <tsimpson> why would a loco set a ban-forward to -read-topic or -unregged?
[11:27] <Tm_T> the same reason we do in core channels, I guess
[11:27] <tsimpson> and no one should need to forward to -unregged anyway
[11:27] <Tm_T> that is true
[11:27] <tsimpson> but -read-topic and -unregged only work for #ubuntu
[11:27] <tsimpson> it won't exempt them for the loco
[11:27] <Flannel> Yeah, I have no idea how join throttling would work with +F, I just assumed it might be necessary and I'd rather not figure this out after things go south
[11:28] <tsimpson> the +F has nothing to do with +f
[11:28] <tsimpson> as it's not a ban-forward, just an overflow channel
[11:29] <tsimpson> it's probably going to take us a while to get used to all these new modes and how they interact with each other
[11:29] <Flannel> +f does need +F (or operator)
[11:29] <tsimpson> +f is separate
[11:29] <tsimpson> or, should be
[11:29] <Flannel> to set +f or forwarding ban, you need +F or ops in destination (and source)
[11:29] <tsimpson> it was working yesterday
[11:29] <Flannel> but, join throttling isn't +f, is it?
[11:30] <tsimpson> it is
[11:30] <Flannel> isn't it +j?
[11:30] <Flannel> Ah, there's an +f there too
[11:30] <Tm_T> tsimpson: "An operator can only set mode +f #channel2 if they are an op in #channel2 or if #channel2 has mode +F set (see below). "
[11:30] <tsimpson> without the +f when +j is set, people would just be sent a "can not join" message
[11:30] <tsimpson> Tm_T: but the +f was already set
[11:31] <Tm_T> tsimpson: true that
[11:31] <tsimpson> you only need +o in both or +F in the dest _when_ you set the mode
[11:31] <Tm_T> this is a mess (:)
[11:31] <Flannel> tsimpson: right, but "because its set now" isn't really a good policy.  Accidents happen
[11:32] <tsimpson> there is a fix, mlock ;)
[11:32] <Flannel> .... I don't see why you're so opposed to just setting +F on those two channels
[11:32] <tsimpson> I'm not
[11:33] <tsimpson> I'm just discussing the other pov
[11:33] <tsimpson> all these new modes/policies can be confusing, so discussion is a good thing
[11:33] <Tm_T> with all these new modes we might like to collect "the ops rulebook" what to do and when
[11:34] <Tm_T> so we can slap each other when someone does otherwise (;
[11:34] <Flannel> Tm_T: Not sure where you got that previous line, but mine was from here: http://dev.freenode.net/ircd-seven/browser/doc/hyperion-migration.txt  which might have some stuff yours doesnt
[11:34] <tsimpson> while we're on the subject, is everyone familiar with the extended ban format?
[11:34] <Flannel> tsimpson: I know there's some letters involved, and other assorted silliness!
[11:34] <Tm_T> Flannel: tsimpson http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[11:35] <Tm_T> tsimpson: no idea what that even means
[11:35] <tsimpson> it's not too difficult when you get used to it
[11:35] <tsimpson> if you want to set a "real name" ban, you use +b $r:real?name
[11:35] <tsimpson> replacing spaces with ? or using * as wildcard
[11:35] <tsimpson> (r == real-name)
[11:36] <tsimpson> you can now also ban an account, with $a:account
[11:36] <tsimpson> these also work with quiets (+q)
[11:36] <Tm_T> roger roger
[11:37] <tsimpson> you can also invert a ban, so +b $~r:my?name will ban everyone who does _not_ have the real name "real name"
[11:37] <tsimpson> that's how the ban on unregistered users work "$a" would be all registered users, and "$~a" is the inverse (unregistered users)
[11:39] <tsimpson> you probably won't use them much, but for specific bans, it can be useful to know them
[11:40]  * tsimpson pretends he made no typos in the above lines
[12:08] <K99Brain> hi all
[12:08] <K99Brain> someone can remember me which was the command for the ubottu to store the mask for the identification?
[12:10] <tsimpson> K99Brain: supybot support is in #supybot
[12:10] <K99Brain> tsimpson, thanks
[12:52] <tsimpson> A quick note to #ubuntu ops: as well as here, it's also a good idea to idle in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (so you can monitor what the floodbots are doing, force them out of emergency mode etc, and see their warnings). To get access to there just poke one of the IRCC
[12:52] <tsimpson> also for ops in #kubuntu, there is #kubuntu-ops-monitor
[12:53] <Mamarok> tsimpson: I can't join, channel mode is set to +i
[12:53] <tsimpson> Mamarok: that's why I said to poke one of us ;)
[12:53] <Mamarok> consider you poked, then :)
[12:57]  * jussi01 sighs, gives up on newcs for now.
[14:39] <Trek> got a question for the ops, if they know of this
[14:39] <Trek> is there a specific ubuntu channel for 10.04 or currently-in-development versions?
[14:41] <Tm_T> !lucid
[14:42] <Trek> thanks man
[14:42] <Tm_T> np (:
[14:44] <Trek> and is there a list of the ! commands for ubottu available somewhere?
[14:45] <Tm_T> hmmm
[14:45] <Tm_T> !bot
[14:46] <Trek> nice, thanks again
[14:47] <Tm_T> I wonder if one could have long serious discussions by only using factoids (:
[14:47] <Trek> lol, i know that you can be annoying to the bot, especially when you're bored
[14:49] <Trek> one of the funny things was giving it a "bot treat" and it responded semi-intelligently
[14:49] <Trek> kinda like this: !botsnack
[16:57] <nhandler> Has +R (which was converted into a +q against $~a) and +r been removed from the various Ubuntu channels? The spam link attack (which was the reason for setting it in the first place) has been fixed with the move to ircd-seven
[17:05] <Tm_T> nhandler: should be
[17:22] <jussi01> REMINDER: Ubuntu IRC Council meeting in ~40 mins! ( #ubuntu-meeting )
[17:23] <teadict> Muahaha!
[17:23] <Tm_T> jussi01: surprisingly I have to skip that, gotta get R. sleeping
[17:23] <Myrtti> -meeting, I assume
[17:24] <Tm_T> anyway ->
[17:25] <Myrtti> teadict: ?
[17:25] <teadict> Myrtti: I'm wondering why there's champagne and caviar in here and not in #uo
[17:25] <Myrtti> teadict: huh?
[17:26] <teadict> Myrtti: nevermind
[17:27] <teadict> so, what's the purpose of this room?
[17:27] <Myrtti> topic is quite informative
[17:27] <teadict> oic
[17:28] <teadict> well then, to the matter at hand.. I'd like to apply for operator
[17:31] <jussi01> teadict: please wait a few weeks - not long from now there will be an announcement about operator applications.
[17:31] <jussi01> best if you subscribe to the ubuntu irc mailing list also
[17:31] <jussi01> !ml
[17:32] <teadict> allright then, thanks
[17:39] <ikonia> are the floodbots currently working, there is a user in -proxy-users who's not getting an exempt in #ubuntu (at one point floodbot said it granted him one, but in #ubuntu it didn't)
[17:45] <ikonia> ok - that's two users now in the #ubuntu-proxy-user channels that can't join #ubuntu even though floodbot is telling them an exempt has been granted
[17:45] <ikonia> I think the floodbots aren't working at the moment
[17:52] <Trek> got a question for you about the #ubuntu channel...
[17:52] <ikonia> go on
[17:52] <Trek> whats with the group at the top of 20<RANDOMLETTERS> on the channel list?
[17:53] <Trek> replace random letters with random letters
[17:53] <Trek> its actually a group of 5 users, seems to be random connections
[17:53] <ikonia> ??? where
[17:53] <Trek> i'll hilight them one second
[17:54] <Trek> they're at the top of the users list...
[17:54] <Trek> um...
[17:54] <Trek> i'll list them...
[17:55] <ikonia> I don't know where you're looking or what you're looking at
[17:56] <Trek> 20QAAAABY, 20QAAAAJB, 20QAAABJ9, 50UAAANCL, 5EXAAADN8, 77CAAAZPU shows up on the connected users list on my xchat window for #ubuntu
[17:56] <Trek> not sure if they're random connections or a glitch, hence why I'm asking here
[17:56] <ikonia> they are just users
[17:56] <ikonia> that's there nickname
[17:56] <Trek> wow, how rare is it that people choose those nicks...
[17:56] <ikonia> maybe part of a bot tool
[17:57] <Trek> bot-net, maybe?
[17:57] <ikonia> who knows
[18:00] <Gary> ikonia: charybdis (and so seven) tries to not kill on nick collision by renaming the loser to their unique id, which is what those users have had happen to them.
[18:01] <jussi01> Pricey: Daviey PING - you have an item on the meeting agenda, please be there
[18:01] <ikonia> there we go, simple answer
[18:02] <Daviey> jussi01: I already am :)..  No idea how that item got there TBH, but i'm there.
[18:03] <MenZa> It's been there for q while
[18:03] <MenZa> s/q/a
[18:03] <ikonia> Daviey: clearly you have power
[18:03] <jussi01> Daviey: think pricey added it
[18:03] <Daviey> ahh
[18:03] <ikonia> wow - Daviey is the puppet master,
[18:03] <ikonia> I wish Pricey would be my social secretary too
[18:04]  * MenZa thinks adding a "Added on" column to the MeetingAgenda would be a good idea.
[18:05] <tsimpson> items usually only last for one meeting, it's just been a while since the last meeting
[18:05] <nhandler> That isn't a bad idea MenZa. Especially if we don't process the entire agenda each meeting
[18:05] <tsimpson> MenZa: add it to the agenda ;)
[18:06] <MenZa> tsimpson: but the meeting's started already! altering an agenda when it's running is a Bad Idea(tm)!
[18:06] <MenZa> :P
[18:09] <nhandler> tsimpson: I don't think we need an agenda item for that. We can simply add it to the wiki. There is no harm in having it. I also don't think a vote is needed for it (just like how we can add/remove from the agenda without a vote ;) )
[18:09] <tsimpson> well I wan't really serious about actually adding it
[18:10] <MenZa> :p
[18:11] <nhandler> :)
[18:12]  * nhandler will add the column after the meeting
[18:12] <MenZa> \o/
[18:28] <ikonia> hello Trek
[18:29] <Trek> hiya, was gonna bother you about someone spamming letters, but they stopped
[18:29] <Trek> :)
[18:29] <ikonia> typical timing
[18:34] <Myrtti> Trek: feel free to report problems especially now, the concentration of some of us might be a bit dispersed
[18:35] <Myrtti> the ops trigger works nicely in this ;-)
[18:36] <ikonia> well hello
[18:37] <Trek> yeah, i forgot to leave the channel
[18:37] <Myrtti> Trek: the ops trigger works nicely in reporting issues and problems of the channels, just remember to add "| <the cause of alarm>" in the end... ;-)
[18:37] <Myrtti> meh
[19:27] <Myrtti> crashoverride seems to be banevading?
[19:27] <ikonia> ubottu doesn't seem to think so
[19:27] <ikonia> but I concur, I remember him being banned also
[19:29] <tsimpson> Myrtti: ubottu searches for bans on the current nick/user/host combo, so if they are evading ubottu won't detect it
[19:29] <Myrtti> I see [02:02] ~~~mode/#ubuntu [+q<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:29] <Myrtti> but no -q
[19:29] <tsimpson> then it's not ban evading, as there was no ban
[19:29] <Myrtti> mute then
[19:30] <Myrtti> right?
[19:30] <Myrtti> no?
[19:30] <tsimpson> well they weren't blocked from the channel, just muted
[19:31] <ikonia> but he's talking now
[19:31] <ikonia> so he's evading the mute ?
[19:31] <tsimpson> yes
[19:31] <Myrtti> doesn't show on irssi's bans either...
[19:31] <tsimpson> the IP has changed
[19:31] <Myrtti> this might be a problem
[19:32] <Myrtti> atleast for me
[19:32] <tsimpson> Myrtti: mutes/quiets are on a different list than bans
[19:32] <tsimpson> /mode #channel q should show the quiets
[19:33] <Myrtti> tsimpson: yup, so my script is somewhat b0rked
[19:52] <Slart> someone should have a talk with guest_89 in #ubuntu
[19:52] <Slart> oh.. nevermind
[19:52] <Slart> already done
[19:52] <Slart> thanks
[20:02] <Myrtti> so, where were we
[20:03] <Myrtti> does anyone want to take the ball of CrashOverride? should he be talked with? I'm heading for bed soon to feel sorry for myself and prevent doing retail therapy, so I'd more than happily decline
[20:03] <Myrtti> though, he quit already...
[20:03] <Myrtti> but if he should rejoin again
[20:04] <ikonia> Myrtti: I'll have a polite word if he rejoins
[20:04] <ikonia> I'm sure we can remove the +q
[20:04] <Flannel> What was he doing?
[20:05] <ikonia> just doding a quiet
[20:05] <Myrtti> stfuing people
[20:05] <Flannel> Ah, there it is.
[20:05] <Myrtti> and being generally rude
[20:05] <ikonia> may not have been intentional, but just a quick "hi, remember how to behave" will be enough for him to fall in line with the guidelines
[20:13] <Myrtti> heads up for Diareal
[20:13] <Myrtti> he complained about the gnaa spam that didn't even happen, in #maemo, by pasting the message on the channel
[20:14] <tsimpson> he already hit #k
[20:15] <Myrtti> was k-lined once, I see
[20:16] <Myrtti> and now with a new ip
[20:17] <ikonia> we'll see
[20:17] <Flannel> K train again
[20:17] <Myrtti> yup
[20:17] <ikonia> oh yes
[20:17] <Myrtti> thankies for staff
[20:17] <ikonia> his ip appeared to be the same
[20:18] <Myrtti> it amazes me how fast the ip addresses are rotated by some isps
[20:18] <Myrtti> I've had the same ip for two years now
[20:18] <Myrtti> which has had several router powercycles
[20:50] <Myrtti> righty-o, I'm about to buy an expensive electric toothbrush from a webshop in Germany, I think this is a sign that I should go to bed instead of being online.
[20:50] <Myrtti> night night
[21:25] <CrashOverride> Hello
[21:27] <Seeker`> how can we help you?
[21:29] <CrashOverride> I been helping the Ubuntu team for awhile
[21:29] <CrashOverride> I wish to become a member of a Loco team if possible
[21:30] <CrashOverride> or some kind of team
[21:30] <CrashOverride> I searched Ubuntu's site for it but I couldn't find any site myself
[21:30] <CrashOverride> bah nvm
[21:30] <CrashOverride> Just found it
[21:30] <CrashOverride> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[21:30] <CrashOverride> ^_^
[21:30] <CrashOverride> srry abt that
[21:37] <jussi01> !idle | CrashOverride
[21:38] <CrashOverride> Im sorry
[21:38] <CrashOverride> My bad
[22:08] <MenZa> jussi01: How'd the meeting go?


[00:49] <bluesabre> hey all, fun bug(s) there
[00:50] <Unit193> Howdy.
[00:50] <ochosi> in case you're referring to the xdg-screensaver one, then yes
[00:50] <ochosi> "fun" times
[00:51] <ochosi> but at least now we know what is messing with the blank-time
[00:51] <bluesabre> :)
[01:00] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not sure if you saw, but I pulled the patch for datetime to deactivate when it loses focus, no idea if you want that uploaded.
[01:02] <ochosi> Unit193: there's another patch in datetime-master btw
[01:02] <Unit193> ochosi: Looking at it as we speak even.  You may have accidentally a word.
[01:02] <Unit193> Or, -ly.
[01:08] <brainwash> ochosi: do you like the whisker search page idea? dynamically adding something like " - Settings" to entries from the settings category
[01:08] <brainwash> if no, then I won't bother requesting it
[01:11] <brainwash> the user searches for "Filemana" and whisker menu returns "File Manager" + "File Manager - Settings"
[01:11] <ochosi> yeah, actually i think it'd be better to just show descriptions in that case
[01:12] <ochosi> or decide to not show thunar-settings at all
[01:13] <brainwash> yeah, showing the description is another solution
[01:13] <ochosi> showing the category is just rarely useful
[01:14] <brainwash> only in the search page
[01:14] <brainwash> the settings category is special :)
[01:17] <brainwash> I'm thinking about making it subtle, like using italic font for the added " - Settings" part
[01:17] <brainwash> or grey color
[01:18] <brainwash> mmh, it somehow feels like this should be very easy to implement
[01:20] <brainwash> bluesabre: you do have a multi monitor setup, or?
[01:47] <brainwash> bluesabre: starting with 14.10 we received some reports which describe this crash https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11350
[01:48] <brainwash> these bug reporters unplug the external screen which triggers a crash of xfsettingsd
[01:48] <brainwash> a common use case I'd think
[02:57] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, I've seen that, and have a proposed fix here: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11107#c7
[02:57] <bluesabre> I'll probably go ahead and commit that fix, then figure out why it doesn't actually fix the bug its linked to
[02:58] <bluesabre> brainwash: at home I have a single monitor setup, dual at work (running trusty there)
[02:59] <bluesabre> Unit193: haven't had a chance to look at that yet, but if you have the fix, I'll upload it
[02:59] <bluesabre> :)
[03:00] <Unit193> http://sigma.unit193.net/source/xfce4-datetime-plugin_0.6.2-2ubuntu2.dsc fixes it so it's like the clock plugin, I only pulled the patch from bugzilla, which was later committed.  There's another commit that makes it work better with the new hiding option too, if you/we care?
[03:03] <bluesabre> actually, since we don't ship that one anymore, its not in the packageset
[03:04] <bluesabre> maybe we can convince logan to upload it :)
[03:04] <bluesabre> I really need to request an xfce packageset
[03:06] <bluesabre> I'll try to get the paperwork together for that this weekend, I think its an obvious thing for us to have
[03:09] <Unit193> Ah, then no worries.  Having you in the Xubuntu packageset has been extreamly helpful, keep it up!
[03:10] <bluesabre> :)
[03:11] <Unit193> And yes, Xfce makes sense, unless you just go for MOTU.
[03:11] <bluesabre> we can cheat.... add it to the xubuntu-desktop recommends, wait til it hits packageset, upload it ;)
[03:11] <Unit193> Or suggests? :P
[03:11] <bluesabre> yeah, or that :P
[03:12] <Unit193> We have the clock plugin, which is nearly functionally the same.
[03:12] <bluesabre> I plan to apply for MOTU this cycle, once life settles down a bit and I am done moving
[03:12] <Unit193> Whichever gets the gsimplecal like feature (http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10202) is the one I'm going to vote for. :P
[03:12] <Unit193> Awesome!\
[03:13] <bluesabre> but I want to get the packageset going if possible, so we can just add more of you guys as you step up to bat :)
[03:14] <Unit193> I stepped up, now I send lots more uploads to you! :----D
[03:14] <Unit193> ..And keep sending off others to Debian.
[03:15] <bluesabre> :D
[03:15] <bluesabre> I'm happy to sponsor what I can
[03:15] <Unit193> And I still try to make it easy.  How was the application process anyway?
[03:16] <bluesabre> for packageset?
[03:17] <bluesabre> pretty painless reall
[03:17] <bluesabre> y
[03:17] <Unit193> Sounds like the worst of it is updating the wiki and the meeting.  Finding sigs isn't fun, but not too hard one would hope.
[03:18] <bluesabre> yeah, lots of writing and bugging folks like dholbach
[03:18] <bluesabre> and Logan_
[03:18] <bluesabre> :D
[03:19] <bluesabre> looks like those two were my endorsements, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeanDavis/DeveloperApplication
[03:20] <Unit193> I may be able to trick Lo gan into it, but not so sure about anyone else.
[03:20] <bluesabre> I'll endorse, not sure if that carries any weight :)
[03:20] <bluesabre> give me more things to upload :D
[03:21] <Unit193> http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Unit+193&sponsoree_search=name  I sure will!
[03:21] <bluesabre> but for now, going to go slack off... be back in the morning :)
[03:21] <bluesabre> nice!
[03:22] <Unit193> Have fun!
[03:26] <Logan_> Unit193: who is Lo gan
[03:27] <Unit193> 'lo again!
[03:28] <Logan_> :P
[03:28] <Unit193> Logan_: Got the thing I pinged you about in Debian, but experimental so had to requestsync it. :P
[03:29] <Logan_> jog my memory
[03:29] <Logan_> this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcalcli/+bug/1399800
[03:29] <Unit193> gcalcli's api change
[03:29] <Unit193> Err, Google's API change, right.  That.
[03:30] <Logan_> one sec
[03:30] <Unit193> Yey!  Danke.
[03:35] <Logan_> Unit193: synced
[03:35] <Unit193> Danke.
[03:36] <Logan_> bitte
[03:46] <Unit193> And as that's the only simple one, that's enough for tonight. \o/
[11:50] <brainwash> ali1234: you wanted to add a comment to bug 1087242 (that's the reason why I've subscribed you)
[11:50] <brainwash> about fullscreen windows which are actually windowed, or something like that
[11:51] <ali1234> ah... i actually learned a bit more about that the other day
[11:51] <ali1234> xfwm only unredirects override redirect fullscreen windows for some reason
[11:52] <ali1234> most fullscreen windows aren't override redirect, this puts them above all other windows
[11:52] <brainwash> the app has to set this property?
[11:52] <ali1234> yes
[11:53] <ali1234> technically any app can set override redirect on any window, because X11
[11:53] <brainwash> oh..
[11:53] <ali1234> but norally the app does it
[11:53] <ali1234> http://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/window/attributes/override-redirect.html
[11:53] <brainwash> maybe add an option to always do this regardless of what the app wants?
[11:54] <ali1234> would probably be better to just make xfwm unredirect windows even if they aren't override redirect
[11:54] <ali1234> this will cause stacking bugs though
[11:55] <ali1234> unredirect is a bit of a hack unfortunately, and xfwm alread has many hacks...
[11:57] <brainwash> and it requires even more hacks
[12:49] <ochosi> !team | sorry about the meeting-time mixup, but i can't make it at 18UTC as scheduled. details sent to ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010495.html
[12:49] <ochosi> hmpf, well that didn't work
[12:50] <knome> ubottu, ping
[12:52] <ochosi> Unit193: ping
[12:54] <ochosi> !factoid
[12:54] <ochosi> ok, let's try this again...
[12:54] <ochosi> !team | sorry about the meeting-time mixup, but i can't make it at 18UTC as scheduled. details sent to ML: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-December/010495.html
[12:54] <ochosi> grr, ubottu you suck!
[12:55] <ochosi> !team
[12:55] <ochosi> read above...
[12:55] <ali1234> i don't think pipe works that way
[12:56] <knome> ali1234, it does.
[13:26] <brainwash> Unit193: are you familiar with xfce4-terminal.wrapper which is included in the debian/ubuntu package?
[13:27] <brainwash> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/vivid/xfce4-terminal/vivid/view/head:/debian/xfce4-terminal.wrapper
[13:27] <brainwash> it appears to be incomplete
[13:30] <brainwash> I'll file a debian report
[16:29]  * ochosi waves hello from vivid
[16:30]  * ochosi heads over to the tracker...
[16:34]  * elfy bets you only saw the black screen bug in the livesession
[16:37] <ochosi> elfy: wrong bet, i didn't see that at all because i was hit by that COM32R bug
[16:37] <ochosi> other than that, it's all good
[16:38] <elfy> ha ha ha
[16:39] <ochosi> elfy: while we're both around...
[16:39] <ochosi> there are some features that have been recently implemented in xfce and some that i'm considering to push, but they all need some testing
[16:40] <elfy> ok
[16:40] <ochosi> the one thing is intelligent hiding of the panel
[16:40] <elfy> yep - saw some chat about that
[16:40] <ochosi> i've fixed it up myself recently and i've also used it, but i think it needs more people using it to discover potential points of failure
[16:41] <ochosi> would you be willing to test that out and to forward it to others who are testing?
[16:41] <elfy> right - makes sense - availablity?
[16:41] <ochosi> (we'd make sure there's a PPA ofc)
[16:41] <ochosi> if testing goes well, i'd talk to andrzejr to get a dev-release so we can roll it into 15.04
[16:42] <elfy> okey doke - do that and I'll surely add it here - once it's available on ppa we can call on the m/l and testers lp contact too
[16:43] <ochosi> cool, thanks!
[16:44] <ochosi> just to be sure, is the concept of "intelligent hiding" implicitely understood these days..=
[16:44] <ochosi> ?
[16:44] <elfy> not completely - but I *think* it hides if something happens to be where the panel is showing
[16:44] <elfy> then unhides when something is gone
[16:46] <ochosi> right, so the general idea is: the panel is visible unless something is in its way
[16:46] <ochosi> "something" = usually a window (or an open menu from the panel)
[16:46] <ochosi> so maximized window -> panel hidden
[16:46] <elfy> yea - that was my understanding
[16:46] <ochosi> ok
[16:46] <ochosi> cool
[16:46] <ochosi> i think unity's side-panel does the same
[16:47] <elfy> mmm - what if app not maximimised but positioned where panel is
[16:47] <ochosi> so that could be a good point of reference for testers who are familiar with unity
[16:47] <ochosi> in that case it'd be hidden too
[16:47] <ochosi> so if you move a window to the panel's position, it'll go away
[16:47] <elfy> and yes - assuming that unity thing hasn't changed - unity panel autohides
[16:47] <elfy> ok - so yep - I understand what it should do then :)
[16:47] <ochosi> but: this only reflects the position of the currently focused window
[16:48] <ochosi> so if you switch from a maximized window to a non-maximized+non-overlapping window, it'll show u
[16:48] <ochosi> p
[16:48] <ochosi> the second feature (although there's more work ahead until i'm there) is corner-tiling for xfwm4 plus an option to make it maximize windows instead of tiling to 50% when dragged to the top of the screen
[16:49] <elfy> ochosi: ok - so only hides for focussed window - useful
[16:49] <ochosi> yup
[16:49] <ochosi> i think it's a useful feature
[16:50] <elfy> and as for 2nd - yep - as long as there's an easy way for us to get it tested - just tell me when it's there :)
[16:50] <elfy> same with anything really
[16:52] <ali1234> unity actually doesn't do this any more
[16:52] <ali1234> they were never able to make it work correctly, so they disabled it by default
[16:54] <ochosi> elfy: ok, thanks!
[16:54] <ochosi> ali1234: ah, hm, interesting. i wonder why though, it's not like other docks don't get it right (like plank)
[16:55] <ali1234> you could say the same thing about pretty much every feature of unity
[16:56] <ochosi> i've never used it so i'd rather not
[16:56] <elfy> ali1234: thanks - it's a while since I properly looked at ubuntu
[16:56] <ochosi> but yeah, i do hope we got it right with xfce4-panel
[16:56] <ali1234> for most of the problems with unity the answer is because the design is stupid
[16:59] <ali1234> ie the design requires something that isn't actually possible, so rather than implement something else that is, they just leave the broken feature, because the design document is set in stone
[17:29] <ochosi> jjfrv8: i've copied over the xfpm docs and eric_the_idiot is taking the two screenshots that show the devices, so i gues we can consider that done for now
[17:29] <ochosi> thanks a lot for your effort - it's much appreciated!
[17:29] <ochosi> here they are: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-power-manager/1.4/start
[17:52] <ochosi> sorry folks, gotta run :/
[17:53] <ochosi> in terms of the meeting, my updates would've been that a theme-rewrite will probably take place in the next weeks for Greybird and Numix (port to SASS to keep in sync with gtk upstream more easily)
[17:53] <ochosi> this means we'll have to test them quite a bit i guess
[17:54] <ochosi> and it'll also mean that the other themes will only receive bugfixes, if even
[17:54] <ochosi> Orion, Albatross and Bluebird most likely won't be ported to SASS
[17:54] <ochosi> (unless someone else does it)
[17:54] <ochosi> also started some exploratory vivid testing and will continue with that, we still have quite a few bugs to be tackled
[17:55] <ochosi> hopefully we can coordinate that sometime in the near future
[17:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: ^
[17:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, that python-indicate or python-libappindicator is still missing from our default install, so blueman is a trayicon instead of an indicator
[17:56]  * ochosi out
[17:57] <pleia2> doh, why did I wake up? :P
[17:57] <pleia2> (ok ok, it's 10am, but my bed is so snuggly!)
[18:00] <skellat> pleia2: Up for meeting we're apparently not having
[18:02] <pleia2> yep
[18:02] <pleia2> I don't have anything this week anyway :)
[18:02] <pleia2> anything == news from me re: team
[18:21] <elfy> I assume we'll just shuffle quietly along and reschedule then :p
[18:40] <Unit193> ochosi: Pong.
[18:49] <Unit193> brainwash: At the very least, in a terminal run: /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal --version  vs  /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper --version  What's the point of the wrapper exactly?
[18:50] <Unit193> Ah, I think I see.
[18:50] <brainwash> it's apparently needed in debian land
[18:52] <Unit193> `xfce4-terminal echo foo bar` vs `xfce4-terminal.wrapper echo foo bar`: debian/xfce4-terminal.wrapper: stole code from gnome-terminal to match its behavior on '-x' and '-e'.                              closes: debian #548166
[18:54] <brainwash> interesting
[18:56] <brainwash> I guess I won't bother with this then
[18:57] <Unit193> You're still correct though, it's missing options.
[21:16] <ochosi> Unit193: i wanted to ask you whether you could update the daily panel build in your PPA so i can copy it to staging, so then elfy&co can test intelligent hiding
[21:16] <ochosi> there was another fix i think after your latest snapshot (unless you've rebuilt again already)
[21:18] <ochosi> also, i'm planning to merge this on top of xfwm4 master and then creating a patch-set from it. so if you could then throw that in a PPA so more people can do regression-testing before i propose to merge it to master, that'd be great!
[21:20] <ochosi> anyway, gotta run off again, ttyl
[21:24] <Unit193> Sure, can do.  Just not this second.  I'll get it tonight.


[04:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hello i have a stupid qestion im using xfce4 and i cant seem to find a way to move my panels elements where i want, for example i cant find a way to move the "show desktop" button to the left, out of its default position.
[04:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> there is a "move" option when you right click an element, but the only thing it does is to grey out the whole panel and wont let me drag the element i clicked anywhere
[04:23] <llolcats> wget is returning <IP_ADDRESS> all the time
[04:23] <llolcats> what could be causing this
[04:24] <llolcats> has any one had this problem?
[06:32] <walt> how do I get the alt key to work in programs like vim, in xfce-xterm?
[06:34] <Balsaq> Something is wrong with your DHCP server, your router or your ISP llolcats
[07:01] <moetunes> it's moments like this that make me appreciate not seeing join/parts on irc :)
[07:12] <Dracco> Hello. I've installed xubuntu on my boss pc, installed samba server, checked at home and it worked like a charm even with those darn windows. I took the pc to my boss, connected it, connected printer to it, installed printer drivers (automatic) and it was all working. Printer was visible and usable from both xubuntu pc and windows xp pc. Next day my boss called me that it is not working. I checked it, it was true. Restart of xubuntu machine, it wo
[07:12] <Dracco> rks again... for a moment. After that it stopped and started working few times and in final stopped working at all. Printer was even visible later, but not reachable for the xp machine. Can something be done with it? I don't really want to install xp there, as there are even no drivers on cd (and no net, and i'm not gonna use my mobile as modem again).
[07:51] <Dracco> *bump*
[08:04] <moetunes> if it is in xp too then it is prob a hardware issue
[08:05] <Dracco> printing from xp worked (when printer was connected to xp machine)
[08:05] <Dracco> so i supposed its something related to samba
[08:10] <Dracco> well ok i have to go fix that problem now :P if i dont fix it ima install xp :/
[08:10] <Dracco> cya :)
[09:08] <Balsaq> hello knome
[11:32] <Dracco> Hello folks =). Again I am asking for your help :P. I reconfigured samba server and set up the network with windows, printer now works like a charm, but what troubles me is that I have to run "sudo service smbd restart" every time i log in. Can i automate it somehow? It wouldn't be problem for me but peps in the company are rather lower in computer skills.
[11:47] <TheSheep> Dracco: you can set it to autostart on startup
[11:47] <TheSheep> Dracco: in system->services
[11:47] <Dracco> but not with sudo :/
[11:48] <moetunes> rc.local perhaps
[11:50] <Dracco> (just googled) and would putting a script into /etc/init.d work?
[11:50] <TheSheep> Dracco: it's a deamon, just set it to start
[11:50] <TheSheep> Dracco: it already has a script in there
[11:50] <Dracco> oh
[11:50] <TheSheep> Dracco: it's just not enabled
[11:50] <Sysi> sysv-rc-config orwhatitwas maybe
[11:51] <Dracco> ok so ill try rc.local
[11:52] <TheSheep> sysv-rc-conf
[11:53] <Dracco> uno momento, this junk is slow >.<
[11:56] <Dracco> ok added a line to rc.local
[11:56] <Dracco> restarting
[11:57] <Dracco> ok something happened to a printer o.O
[12:00] <Dracco> ok i think it works, restarting again (forgot if i started it manually or not ^^)
[12:01] <TheSheep> btw, rc.local is already run as root, so no need for sudo
[12:01] <Dracco> i know ;)
[12:01] <Dracco> ok it works :D
[12:01] <Dracco> thx guys :*
[12:13] <Dracco> ok im out and away, once again thx :)
[13:54] <szpuni> hell
[13:54] <szpuni> hello
[13:55] <szpuni> did anybody played with UCK with live cd?
[13:55] <szpuni> i would like to change start menu but i can't find configuration file which is responsible for it
[16:03] <_maddy> file:///home/pekka/Pictures/Noora/007.JPG
[16:04] <_maddy> that's not what I wanted to paste...
[16:05] <_maddy> but this: I bought ATI 6870 graphics card, but it doesn't work with fglrx, so I had to disable it, but now I am stuck with low resolution...how to fix?
[18:56] <theGman> Where can I go to dl the latest wicd install file? The laptop I need it on has no conn atm...so I need to dl it on this one and then xfer the file manually. :)
[18:56] <theGman> Thus apt-get or aptitude install won't work
[19:03] <TheSheep> !info apt-zip
[19:04] <TheSheep> theGman: try that
[19:05] <theGman> TheSheep: Thx
[19:07] <theGman> Ok...but how/where do I get the actual wicd file from?
[19:07] <TheSheep> apt-zip will generate a script that will download it for you
[19:08] <TheSheep> with all the dependencies
[19:08] <TheSheep> you can also look at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[19:09] <theGman> And I have no way to get apt-zip onto the other laptop.
[19:09] <TheSheep> yeah, it should be installed by default in my opinion, it's not big
[20:17] <michef_chudy> hi can someone give a noob a bit of help with getting xubuntu to work please?
[20:18] <moetunes> depends on how it isn't working...
[20:22] <michef_chudy> when I installed it for the first time I ran into a bug: the xubuntu splash screen appears, then it goes black and everything stops. so I was advised to go through the grub menu and select the recovery mode. a week later, that doesn't seem to work any more.
[20:23] <michef_chudy> basically, if I select failsafeX in the recovery menu, it just blinks and takes me back to the recovery menu.
[20:24] <michef_chudy> do it a couple more times, and it opens a shell window.
[20:24] <michef_chudy> any ideas??
[20:33] <ubuntu> i just tried search function in xchat, i cant remebr the name for the ppc specific channel for xubuntu/ubuntu
[20:33] <ubuntu> some1 mind reminding me?
[20:40] <ubuntu> hi im installing from live xubuntu 9.04, im in partitioning stage, and i was wondering if there is anyspecial consideration[s] i need to make as far as filesystem goes for wanting to dual boot mac os9 and xubuntu 9.04/9.10?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> ubuntu: #ubuntu-ppc or #ubuntu-powerpc
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I don't the specialties for mac, myself
[20:42] <michef_chudy> charli-tca: hi, i think you helped me out before
[20:43] <ubuntu> charlie-tca, , i dont think i understand wut u mean
[20:43] <charlie-tca> michef_chudy: Tried doing a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[20:44] <charlie-tca> ubuntu: channels for ppc
[20:44] <ubuntu> i understand the channels part, but specialty line has me gessing
[20:44] <charlie-tca> I don't know if there are anything special for dual booting macs
[20:44] <michef_chudy> charlie-tca: no. I'll try that from the command line now
[20:48] <ubuntu> charlie-tca, ahh, btw thx for refreshing my mem on the ppc specific channels
[20:48] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:08] <chudy_michef> charlie-tca: hi. I tried what you suggested. It downloaded a bunch of files for six minutes, then it unpacked them and the screen went black. The hard drive seems to be working away doing something, but nothing obvious is happening. Is it safe for me to switch off and on again do you think?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> wait for the drive to quit first
[21:09] <chudy_michef> okay
[21:10] <chudy_michef> btw, just for future reference -  how can I launch the xubuntu gui from the command line?
[21:11] <walt> how do I make xfce4-term not eat the alt key?
[21:12] <walt> actually, I just realised it works in irssi. But it does not work in vim. What is the equivalent to --meta8 in xfce4-terminal?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> chudy_michef: don't know
[21:13] <Sysi> have you checked hotkeys
[21:15] <michef_chudy> charlie-tca: okay the drive has finished working. now I'm back to the command line.
[21:15] <charlie-tca> so the screen came back
[21:15] <charlie-tca> try a restart
[21:16] <michef_chudy> charlie-tca: yes. what do I type to do that?
[21:17] <charlie-tca> sudo shutdown -r now
[21:18] <michef_chudy> charlie-tca: okay. it's rebooting...
[21:20] <michef_chudy> charlie-tca: xubuntu splash appears, and... that's it. hangs, same as before. shall I switch on and off and go for the grub menu again?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:20] <charlie-tca> Have you tried adding nomodeset to the boot line?
[21:22] <michef_chudy> I can't remember. I could do that now. Something's different now, though: there are more options at the grub menu. Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.32-25-generic and Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.32-21-generic (plus associated recovery modes)
[21:23] <michef_chudy> which of those should I edit the boot line of?
[21:24] <michef_chudy> (neither of them has nomodeset)
[21:27] <charlie-tca> yes, you get a new line for each kernel upgrade.
[21:27] <charlie-tca> You can edit the top kernel line, just add nomodeset to the end of the line, after quiet splash
[21:28] <charlie-tca> then boot with Ctrl+x , I think it is.
[21:30] <michef_chudy> ctrl-x it is. booting now.
[21:30] <michef_chudy> ...and it hangs at the splash screen...
[21:31] <charlie-tca> hmm
[21:32] <charlie-tca> What video card do you have/
[21:32] <charlie-tca> ?
[21:32] <michef_chudy> Uh. Don't know. I'll try and check.
[21:32] <michef_chudy> Btw, I've switched off and on again. and this time it didn''t hang, it just went to 'Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode.'
[21:33] <charlie-tca> That's a good sign
[21:33] <charlie-tca> So, you should be able to get a desktop from there
[21:34] <michef_chudy> Yup. Where will I find a list of installed hardware?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> lspci in a terminal
[21:34] <charlie-tca> look for video or graphics
[21:36] <michef_chudy> the only options I can see on the screen are as follows. bar at top: applications, places, firefox icon, help icon, power icon, network icon, speaker icon, time, quit icon. desktop: home, file system, wastebasket. bar at bottom: restore hidden windows, current workspace, switch workspace
[21:37] <charlie-tca> applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[21:37] <charlie-tca> then type lspci and hit enter
[21:37] <michef_chudy> okay thanks
[21:38] <michef_chudy> is it VGA Compatible Controller or Display Controller, maybe?
[21:39] <charlie-tca> sounds right
[21:39] <charlie-tca> what does it say?
[21:39] <michef_chudy> Okay so for both of those it says: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[21:39] <charlie-tca> something like this: VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000] (rev c1)
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:40] <charlie-tca> that's it
[21:40] <charlie-tca> so, you are not so lucky...
[21:40] <michef_chudy> why not??
[21:43] <charlie-tca> it isn't working ?
[21:44] <michef_chudy> I thought you meant there was a particular problem with my graphics card ?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen might help
[21:46] <charlie-tca> or, better yet, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Lucid845gAnd855gmGpuFreezes?highlight=%28855GM%29|%28intel%29
[21:46] <charlie-tca> specific to your card
[21:47] <michef_chudy> okay. I tried all the things that the first of those links suggests already. but the second one, I haven't seen yet. just looking at it now...
[21:49] <charlie-tca> this, too, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[21:55] <michef_chudy> ah. I've just found sth that works. I deleted 'splash' (after 'quiet') from the grub file. now it seems to boot fine (except for the 'low graphics mode' error, which I can live with)
[21:55] <michef_chudy> thanks for the links. I guess there's more than one bug that I'm dealing with - one with splash causing the system to hang, and one with my graphics card (causing the low graphics mode)
[21:57] <michef_chudy> anyway, thanks!!
[21:57] <michef_chudy> bye, charlie-tca
[21:58] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:58] <michef_chudy> seeya
[22:38] <Thermi> gn8
[22:58] <redash> I'm having some issues with ubunutu I don't know if i'm in the right place or not. I start ubunutu 10.10  setup in  windows 7 x64, it installs. then sends me out of os to the ubunutu os. finishes installing. update. then restarts. When it restarts This Message comes up Alert! /host/ubunutu/disks/root.disk does not exist. Dropping to a Shell!
[22:58] <redash> Busybox V.1.15.3 (ubuntu 1:15.3 - Ubuntu5) built in shell (ash)
[22:58] <redash> insted of the gui.. any suggestions?
[22:59] <Sysi> you're propably using wubi, all i know is it can cause problems
[23:01] <redash> yes. I can't seem it to run widnows 7 dual boot with out loading wubi. if i use the ubunitu grub.. then i can't load widnows..


[00:10] <Unit193> bluesabre: No, I didn't.  I'm not subbed. :3
[00:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: np, took care of it :)
[00:13] <Unit193> Yey!  And I'll check when I'm back to better internet. :P
[07:05] <Unit193> Mmmm.  So the new verve plugin needs to make it in for Wombat.
[07:07] <Unit193> (Fails gcc5: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/198355787/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-i386.xfce4-verve-plugin_1.0.0-3_BUILDING.txt.gz)
[07:59] <elfy> mornign
[08:03] <Unit193> http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20150202-gcc5-vivid.html#xubuntu that is.
[08:34] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Any ETA on the remaining 4.12 packages?
[08:42] <elfy> slickymaster: are you not seeing the offscreen bug now?
[08:42] <ochosi> i think nothing has been done to really fix that, so it's sorta impossible not to see it
[08:43] <elfy> just wondered looking at the tracker - I still see it
[09:08] <elfy> o/ brainvvash
[09:09] <brainvvash> good morning elfy
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> thanks for that knome and pleia2
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> elfy, ochosi, I didn't caught the offscreen bug with yesterday image
[10:00] <ochosi> wat, for realz?
[10:00] <slickymasterWork> yeaps ochosi :)
[10:00] <ochosi> that is weird news :)
[10:00] <ochosi> afaik nobody has touched this so it theoretically shouldn't work
[10:01] <slickymasterWork> it did, even with the Install (manual partitioning)
[10:01] <slickymasterWork> I didn't have to start from withing the live session
[10:02] <ochosi> ok, i'll check that out a bit later
[10:02] <ochosi> with daily i presume?
[10:02] <slickymasterWork> okie
[10:02] <slickymasterWork> yes, with yesterday's daily
[10:50] <ochosi> slickymasterWork, elfy, ali1234: wow, indeed the offscreen bug is resolved in the latest daily /o\
[10:52] <ochosi> i guess it must've been this: http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=58f9f51d1f438dcaa208937314c9d61bb33d1574
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> most probably
[10:54] <slickymasterWork> anyway it's fixed and that's all it matters for us
[10:54] <ochosi> yeah, i want to mark the bug fixed with a reference to the correct commit though
[10:54] <ochosi> still waiting for feedback from upstream about that
[10:55] <slickymasterWork> :)~
[10:56] <ochosi> i guess both commits are related to fixing the bug, maybe it doesnt really matter whether it was just one or both
[10:59]  * slickymasterWork agrees
[10:59] <slickymasterWork> knome, the screenshots for the installer slideshow: http://imgur.com/L9nDGSS and http://imgur.com/gKDma6u
[11:00] <slickymasterWork> *screenshoots
[11:01] <slickymasterWork> bah, it was right the first time :P
[12:44] <jjfrv8> away
[12:44] <jjfrv8> away afk
[12:45] <jjfrv8> haven't had my coffee yet :(
[12:55] <knome> :)
[15:26] <bluesabre> after finally reinstalling vivid, nvivia drivers work and sound quality is greatly improved :)
[15:27] <elfy> hey bluesabre :)
[15:27] <bluesabre> hey elfy
[15:27] <ochosi> oh hey guys :)
[15:27] <bluesabre> how goes?
[15:27] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[15:27] <elfy> hi ochosi :)
[15:28] <ochosi> sorry about the meeting time, hope some ppl can atten
[15:28] <ochosi> d
[15:28] <bluesabre> snow day in kentucky
[15:28] <elfy> ochosi: I *might* manage - not sure tbh
[15:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: lucky you!
[15:29] <slickymasterWork> not sure also ochosi
[15:30] <ochosi> :/
[15:30] <elfy> ochosi:  but I can give you my opinion beforehand for the 3 discussion points and #info's
[15:31] <elfy> bluesabre: I've lost track on what's going on with 4.12 - still trying to get something out of [NEW] ?
[15:32] <ochosi> elfy: yeah, why not
[15:32] <bluesabre> elfy: its stuck in -proposed now
[15:32] <bluesabre> going to start pinging once my laptop is back to normal
[15:33] <ochosi> i guess you already read that the ubiquity bug is fixed with xfwm4 4.12?
[15:34] <elfy> ochosi: yep - meant to mention that - I double checked :)
[15:34] <bluesabre> cool, glad to hear
[15:34] <bluesabre> I have an efi laptop so the default booted me to the live session, didn't check
[15:34] <elfy> also need to double check this odd arrange icon thing I see here
[15:51] <elfy> have people other than Unit193 and me seen that systemd as default is really close now?
[15:52] <bluesabre> yes
[15:52] <bluesabre> last blocker out of the way with nfs
[15:52] <elfy> yep
[15:52] <bluesabre> and init gets installed by default
[15:52] <bluesabre> its super close
[15:52] <elfy> yep - next week looks like
[15:53]  * bluesabre is prepared to not update for 2 weeks
[15:53]  * elfy hadn't got around to installing systemd-sysv so I booted from first line yet
[15:56] <elfy> might be useful as an #announcement in meeting perhaps
[16:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: missing icon on first run of transmission: http://i.imgur.com/g3SmBwM.png
[16:10] <ochosi> use gtkinspector pls
[16:10] <ochosi> and tell me the name of that icon
[16:10] <bluesabre> it just shows image-missing
[16:10] <ochosi> wat
[16:10] <ochosi> that is weird, it should show something more
[16:11] <bluesabre> http://i.imgur.com/1Zkgv5L.png
[16:11] <ochosi> reminds me, i have to set the icons in gtk2 on buttons to 16px
[16:11] <ochosi> otherwise everything is mighty inconsistent with gtk3
[16:12] <ochosi> meh
[16:12] <ochosi> i guess we have to look into transmissions code then
[16:12] <bluesabre> yeah
[16:12] <ochosi> have you tried with ubuntu's theme?
[16:12] <ochosi> or adwaita-icon-theme?
[16:12] <ochosi> any theme that might display that icon would also solve the riddle
[16:13] <bluesabre> image-missing in adwaita, gnome, and humanity
[16:13] <bluesabre> >.<
[16:15] <ochosi> pfff
[16:15] <bluesabre> downloading faenza
[16:16] <ochosi> unlikely such an old theme would have an icon that gnome doesn't
[16:16] <ochosi> maybe it uses "image-missing"? :D
[16:17] <bluesabre> image-missing there too
[16:17] <bluesabre> craaaaaazy
[16:18]  * ochosi shrugs
[16:18] <ochosi> maybe ask in #u-devel?
[16:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: we might need another x-d-s release/upload before UIF
[16:24] <ochosi> because of my last commit
[16:29] <slickymasterWork> am I gone absolutely mental or weren't we shipping VirtualBox in our image about a month ago?
[16:30] <slickymasterWork> we aren't now. At least as of yesterday's image
[16:30] <slickymasterWork> elfy, ochosi ^^
[16:31] <ochosi> we're definitely not intending to ship that by default
[16:31] <elfy> shouldn't be shipping vbox
[16:32] <ochosi> so not doing so now is definitely a good thing
[16:32] <elfy> ochosi: lol
[16:32] <slickymasterWork> but I swear that it was there, then
[16:32] <slickymasterWork> back then
[16:32] <elfy> pretty sure it's never been
[16:35] <slickymasterWork> elfy, I'm sure of what I'm saying. I can't now be completely accurate about the image in question, it was from the end of January - beginning of February, but that it had a default VBox installed, it had
[16:37] <elfy> don't disbelieve you - if that was the case, then good it's not now
[16:44] <slickymasterWork> yeah, but it's odd anyway
[16:44] <elfy> yep
[16:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: mousepad gtk3 is a bit crashy, let's rather go with the gtk2 build for now
[18:41] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - so systemd finally got a real nod for Monday
[18:45] <ochosi> k
[18:45] <ochosi> good to know
[19:00] <Noskcaj> ochosi, What are you doing to get mousepad to crash? I've not seen one yet
[19:00] <ochosi> Noskcaj: open multiple files from thunar
[19:06] <elfy> ochosi: really? I did that to say I didn't see Noskcaj's issue
[19:07] <ochosi> it's not bout multiple files at once, it's about opening files time and time again
[19:07] <ochosi> then sometimes it freezes
[19:07] <ochosi> and xfwm4 asks for it to be killed
[19:08] <ochosi> no idea what the cause is, haven't really had the time to get a backtrace or even terminal output
[19:08] <elfy> ok - same file, different files? I can at least try and confirm
[19:08] <ochosi> different files
[19:08] <ochosi> i just used it regularly as always
[19:09] <ochosi> sometimes it crashed
[19:09] <ochosi> and i used the gtk2 version on a daily basis as well, never crashed
[19:09] <elfy> ok - well I tend towards nano tbh for most - generall system things - I'll force me :)
[19:11] <ochosi> for that i use vim :)
[19:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: I had the issue with mousepad gtk2 daily in trusty
[19:18] <ochosi> oh nice :/
[19:18] <bluesabre> it got so bad that I had to switch to using gedit at work
[19:18] <ochosi> so there might be a crasher in mousepad regardless of toolkit
[19:18] <bluesabre> yeah
[19:19] <ochosi> we should prolly try to get a backtrace then
[19:19] <ochosi> or not ship 0.4.0 just yet, if we can hold back on that
[19:19] <bluesabre> haven't reproduced on newer versions of ubuntu
[19:19] <ochosi> right
[19:19] <ochosi> i'm on vivid
[19:20] <bluesabre> mhm
[19:21] <elfy> ochosi: last time I used vim was for sudoers ...
[19:21] <elfy> that was just awesome fun
[19:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: a few days more and i think we can throw xfpm-gtk3 into the staging PPA so elfy can have some fun ;)
[19:23] <elfy> :)
[19:23] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds like a plan :D
[19:23] <ochosi> it's already working and not really crashing anymore
[19:23] <ochosi> so just a few more tweaks now
[19:24]  * elfy bets some of that ether coffee he can break it ...
[19:26] <ochosi> give it your best shot, mate! :)
[19:26] <ochosi> (only regressions count though)
[19:27] <elfy> hah
[19:28] <Noskcaj> ochosi, I can't see any crashes here, 0.4.0 on vivid
[19:28] <ochosi> Noskcaj: good for you. luckily it only happens rarely
[19:28] <ochosi> it does happen though
[19:29] <Noskcaj> ok, i'll keep looking for it
[19:29] <ochosi> when i'm done with my xfpm work i'll probably try to reproduce it and get traces
[23:54] <ochosi> Noskcaj: that crash of mousepad just happened again. seems opening >7 instances helps


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[05:03] <vorlon> rbalint: hmm I tried to accept rust-gtk and it was rejected instead; I don't see why, the reason would be in the email
[05:03] <vorlon> rbalint: otoh I just did a copy and that worked
[05:11] <vorlon> bdmurray: node-redis> ah, but the one I triggered passed and only took 16 minutes... so yay flaky tests
[06:01] <vorlon> rbalint: rust-crossbeam: also requires sourceful update for compatibility with the new rust-crossbeam-utils, so removing rather than demoting
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[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, Updating simpleburn introduces new bugs: #929381, #968313
[08:35] <LocutusOfBorg> can we please kick it out?
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> should be the only blocker for cdio/x264 transitions
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[08:52] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept gi-gdkpixbuf ^^ (riscv64 is finishing the build)
[09:08] <LocutusOfBorg> any ubuntu-archive, please kick python3-setuptools out from groovy, it broke the world https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=968410
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> probably it is just a matter of shipping that file...
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg> doko, ^^
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[09:54] <Laney> setuptools is gone
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[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg> 💖
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[17:56] <LocutusOfBorg> haskell-gi-gdk accept please?
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[20:17] <LocutusOfBorg> please accept them ^^ :)
[20:17] <LocutusOfBorg> also haskell-gi-gdk
[20:17] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: what do you mean, re: updating simpleburn?  Debian bug #929381 is reported against simpleburn 1.8.0-1, which is what we have
[20:19] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: removed, regardless
[20:21] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: what do we do about all the llvm-toolchain versions FTBFS and blocking llvm-toolchain-10?
[20:23] <vorlon> hmm libreoffice/armhf doesn't appear to be segfaulting gcc, but it does seem to be taking multiple hours to get locks for pkgstripfiles :/
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, simpleburn has a FTBFS bug, #968313 (I copy-pasted from packages.qa.d.o) thanks for doing it!
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, llvm-toolchain-9 was FTBFS on ppc64el, I uploaded a fix around 5 minutes ago :p
[20:25] <LocutusOfBorg> and I asked on #ubuntu-devel for the sphinx sadness
[20:26] <LocutusOfBorg> for llvm-toolchain-8, will have a look maybe tomorrow, its something gcc-10 related
[20:26] <LocutusOfBorg> maybe I'll force an old gcc there...
[20:40] <LocutusOfBorg> coreycb, jamespage python-pbr sync?
[20:41] <LocutusOfBorg> oh.. reverse-deps...
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[22:19] <vorlon> cancelling libreoffice/armhf build and restarting, hopefully this pkgstripfiles problem is a race condition we can dodge on the second time
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[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.0.1-1] (ubuntukylin)
[23:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.0.1-1] (ubuntukylin)
[23:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [armhf] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.0.1-1] (ubuntukylin)
[23:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: peony [arm64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.0.1-1] (ubuntukylin)
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: flint [s390x] (groovy-proposed/universe) [2.6.3-1] (no packageset)
[23:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: flint [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/universe) [2.6.3-1] (no packageset)
[23:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: flint [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [2.6.3-1] (no packageset)