[07:10] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:18] <jasonjang> good morning! all~
[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:38] <czajkowski> how's everyone ?
[08:48] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Tired :P How are you?
[08:52] <czajkowski> very tired
[08:52] <czajkowski> and I only started work 20 mins ago
[08:52] <czajkowski> so not a good sign


[01:14] <monsterco> I have ubuntu server running inside oracle virtual box inside Windows 10 and I bridge LAN. I would like to wireshark all data that goes in and out of Ubuntu from one single program. What is the best way to acheive this? can I stop all other services (i.e. ntp etc) and components of Ubuntu server from using network and only allow that program to have internet? or can I bind the program to something in the
[01:14] <monsterco> network layer to only track that?
[01:16] <xamua> just use a capture filter to narrow down what you're capturing to just that application
[01:16] <xamua> or capture it all and use a display filter if you prefer
[01:45] <monsterco> xamua, what sort of capture? I can't capture by program
[01:46] <monsterco> and the program uses many ports randomly and send all sorts of data randomly for example
[01:46] <monsterco> there must be another way to do this without worrying something is missed
[01:46] <monsterco> and don't want to capture it all because it should be possible to capture just that
[01:48] <xamua> I'm sure there's something that isn't random about it that would allow you to capture it
[02:03] <monsterco> but why waste time finding that?
[02:04] <monsterco> can't use namespace?
[02:05] <xamua> what application?
[02:06] <monsterco> any
[02:08] <xamua> well, you made it sound like you want some specific application...
[02:08] <xamua> so, if it's dns, then filter on the specific endpoint items you're interested in or just grab anything using dns
[03:22] <oops> i install rtl8812au.ko driver on ubuntu 20.04 , the compiled module can't be inserted , the error like this " insmod: ERROR: could not insert module 8812au.ko: Operation not permitted
[03:22] <oops> "
[03:23] <oops> and no other information be prompted ,
[03:24] <oops> i use command " sudo insmod rtl8812au.ko"
[03:25] <oops> the driver can directly be installed on ubuntu 18 with same way ,
[03:55] <bray90820> Hey so why ubuntu only see 2tb on both of my 4Tb drives
[03:57] <guiverc> bray90820, what partition table is on the drives (GPT or legacy which has a ~2TB limit for example)
[03:58] <bray90820> How would I check
[03:58] <bray90820> Oh wait it's guid
[04:01] <bray90820> guiverc it's guid
[04:08] <guiverc> sorry I don't understand the guid ref; global unique ID refers to device usually; type doesn't matter (just as in UUID).  If you `fdisk -l` does it show "Disklabel type: gpt" or equiv?
[04:09] <Teacup> guiverc: guid refers to GPT
[04:09] <Teacup> which should support >2TB drives just fine
[04:10] <Teacup> bray90820: Where did you find the partition table name?
[04:14] <bray90820> guiverc yeah it says Disklabel type: gpt
[04:14] <bray90820> when using 'fdisk -l'
[04:15] <Teacup> Could put a paste of the output of the command here (not in chat)?
[04:16] <bray90820> Teacup this is the output of the command
[04:16] <bray90820> https://pastebin.com/raw/tNs1Ccjh
[04:16] <guiverc> :)
[04:18] <Teacup> That's odd
[04:20] <bray90820> The hard drive is in a USB dock if that makes any difference
[04:21] <Teacup> Is there anything on the drive?
[04:22] <bray90820> I was used in a JBOD array but I cleared that  like a half hour ago because I was having issues and wanted to test both drives
[04:23] <Teacup> Do you know the model of the USB dock you're using to connect it?
[04:25] <bray90820> Thermaltake BlacX
[04:25] <bray90820> It's USB2
[04:26] <Teacup> "Supports All 2.5" & 3.5" SATA HDDs up to 2 TB "
[04:26] <Teacup> I think that might be your issue
[04:27] <bray90820> Oh hey you're right
[04:27] <bray90820> Thanks
[04:27] <bray90820> Welp now to try other methods
[04:28] <Teacup> np
[04:29] <bray90820> So I just erased two drives for nothing
[04:29] <bray90820> Oh well
[04:29] <Teacup> Live and learn haha
[04:30] <bray90820> I have a backup just a pain to restore
[04:34] <magic_ninja> does 20.10 have backports
[04:41] <Teacup> magic_ninja: There is a focal backports component, yes
[04:41] <Teacup> It doesn't have anything in it though
[04:42] <magic_ninja> Oh, looking at what would be a reasonable way to get the 5.11 kerenl while sticking as close to the base as possible.
[04:43] <Bashing-om> !mainline | magic_ninja
[04:44] <magic_ninja> the mainline kernels break stuff for me
[04:53] <tripelb2> tomreyn you responded to my questions about 20.04 slowing down to effectively frozen (or frozen?) And me blaming it on chrome. . But my telephone IRC client won't let me go back to see what you said. If you could repeat it or say something new I would like that a lot.
[04:54] <tripelb2> (I got a notification with about half a line of your text.)
[04:56] <tripelb2> tomreyn you responded to my questions about 20.04 slowing down to effectively frozen (or frozen?) And me blaming it on chrome. . But my telephone IRC client won't let me go back to see what you said. If you could repeat it or say something new I would like that a lot.   (Was this what I said? To Tom rain tomreyn  - again I can only see half a line
[04:56] <tripelb2> of this
[04:56] <tripelb2> Oh sorry.
[05:45] <asleep1> hey all. quick question - 5.4.0-53-generic is the kernel I am running. I was having issues with 5.4.0-58-generic some months ago with networking not working. Simply booted back into 5.4.53. My question is why doesn't apt want to upgrade my kernel now?
[05:45] <asleep1> running 20.04
[05:50] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic focal
[05:50] <EriC^^> asleep1: what does 'sudo apt-get update && apt-cache policy linux-image-generic | nc termbin.com 9999'
[05:50] <EriC^^> give for the link?
[05:51] <asleep1> yeah just realized I can manually specify with apt. Trying linux-image-5.4.0-65-generic
[05:51] <asleep1> brb lets see if it worked
[06:02] <asleep1> 5.4.0-65-generic is working! thanks.
[06:03] <EriC^^> great, no problem
[06:03] <asleep1> On a side note, I think I see what happened with 58. It never installed the modules / extra stuff is my guess.
[06:06] <asleep1> hopefully this kernel is stable. 53 was working pretty good for some time
[06:44] <savanik> Greetings everyone - I have a terrible, awful question from three days of dreadful learning and experimentation trying to troubleshoot an issue I'm having with display resolution. ... When I press the 'maximize' button, how exactly is the proper screen dimensions calculated? And if, perhaps, the window maximizes to a size height larger than the
[06:44] <savanik> available screen resolution, the defined viewport in xrandr, and the Screen 0: size... why would that happen?
[06:45] <nikolam> Hi, should I be worried about putting large drive(s), like 12TB, 10TB, 8TB into HP 8200 SFF PC. Is there even such thing as SATA capacity limit? Since I tried installing MS Windows on is ant is can install in EFI mode, that means GPT disk support?
[06:49] <savanik> @nikolam The HP support page at https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-compaq-8200-elite-small-form-factor-pc/5037931/document/c02781693 states some pretty hard limits on storage.
[06:50] <savanik> It looks like 1 TB is about your limit with 7200 rpm SATA drives.
[07:02] <tuxinator> savanik: Hardware-based limit on Disk-size? They would lose many regulations then i think (like CE) :D should really not be the case. Bios limits disk Sizes, in those HP documents usually they write "what they sell" just for the reason you only buy 1TB drives from them
[07:03] <tuxinator> nikolam: what issue are you facing?
[07:05] <tuxinator> seem there are many refurbishers offering the model with larger disks: https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=HP+Compaq+8200+Elite+Small+Form+Factor+2tb+disk
[07:05] <nikolam> savanik, thet is because HP wanted at a time only to sell you their own hard drives.. and there are reported people using 4GB and 6GB on that machine nicely
[07:06] <nikolam> I were wondering wither larger hard drive would be working off the machine, so that I don't get into situation I can't use drives with it. Hence, will Ubuntu see those no matter what are SATA sized, wither booting form EFI or BIOS/legacy mode
[07:07] <savanik> Ah, fun, marketing infecting technical spec documents. I suppose I shouldn't expect better from HP
[07:07] <nikolam> It is possible thatr moBo have nothing to do with system (OS) talking to SATA drives
[07:08] <nikolam> Looking forward to other experiences. I suppose one must use EFI to boot to see larger drives then 2TB anyway, but not sure if it even matters, once Linux kernel boots and talks to drives directly..
[07:09] <tuxinator> nikolam: btw HP is the worst nightmare in using "unbranded stuff" just next to apple! they forced us to buy rebranded sata SSD's as they register the Serial numbers on their disk controller in their a iscsi storage device! That was in a project with HP and Samsung on Board and Samsung offered very good conditions and HP agreed first as we where an NGO, however HP controllers later denied those disks! :D
[07:09] <tuxinator> nikolam: true better to use EFI
[07:11] <russell--> hi, i have two ubuntu 20.04 machines, one has nfs mounts (as a client) over udp and the second one doesn't. the second one is running a 5.8 ubuntu kernel, the first one is on 5.4.
[07:12] <russell--> the second one can mount nfs over tcp, but apparently not udp
[07:21] <nikolam> tuxinator, yes, proprietary controllers and practice is to avoid, therefore JBOD and ZFS and Btrfs for RAID resilience is better option, plenty of RAM to cache too.
[07:23] <nikolam> tuxinator, ever since I heard that HP is asking payment for bug fixes on their servers (unlike Dell etc) I warned myseld never to buy HP servers. This is smallish desktop here.
[07:24] <nikolam> Also have one HP tower that beeps and sops when USB3 header is unpugged (to fit PCI-E 16x graphics) and also wont' boot if chasis fan is unplugged.. HP's proprietary stuff again..
[07:25] <TechPup> hello
[07:27] <TechPup> hi
[08:21] <okamis> Hello, on ubuntu 20.04 Im using keyboard layout which can be activated by command "setxkbmap se dvorak_a5". Checking region and languages I cannot see it, but after running command gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.input-sources show-all-sources true, its available in region and languages. I set it as default and default in login screen. But after
[08:21] <okamis> reboot its still using my secondary option english layout at login screen. After login its still english, and I cannot win+space to change to my primary layout
[08:35] <duxco> hi, is there something like gentoo's glsa-check for ubuntu? https://www.mankier.com/1/glsa-check
[08:36] <tuxinator> nikolam: well Iscsi is the way to go nowadays
[09:02] <deki_01> Hi 2 all!
[09:04] <deki_01> I have a VM for the network I have enp0s3 and enp0s8 but I can not turn both on, If I turn one of them on the other goes down
[09:05] <deki_01> VM commes from Virtualbox
[09:08] <tuxinator> hi deki_01
[09:09] <tuxinator> deki_01: i think you have to be more precise "turn both on" means? On the Host or on the VM?
[09:09] <tuxinator> What kind of Network adapters?
[09:09] <tuxinator> what mode? NAT? bridge?
[09:12] <deki_01> tuxinator: on the ubuntu-VM in Network settings I have enp0s3 and enp0s8 and there is a slide button if I turn one on the other goes down and vice versa, I use IPv4 Automatic(DHCP)
[09:15] <tuxinator> deki_01: provide screenshots, which Ubuntu version etc. more debug info
[09:22] <deki_01> tuximator: I have make a gist https://gist.github.com/dpantic/2a778defe9821cf155207553d58ea659
[09:23] <agvantibo> wayland somehow doesn't apply gnome3 keyboard layouts. please help
[10:10] <tuxinator> deki_001: strange, i assume Virtualbox is causing the issue, or you maybe selected the wrong interface inside Virtualbox? -> Loop protection?
[10:43] <raddy> Hello
[10:43] <s_kolind> Hello :)
[10:43] <raddy> I am running Ubuntu 20-04 and I have enabled PasswordAuthentication no and ChallengeResponseAuthentication no and have restarted ssh as well
[10:44] <raddy> But still password is being asked
[10:46] <s_kolind> raddy: Where have you set those options?
[10:49] <raddy> "/etc/ssh/sshd_config "
[10:50] <s_kolind> raddy: And you restarted the server afterwards? And what command did you use to do that, and what was the response given?
[10:50] <raddy> service sshd restart
[10:51] <s_kolind> raddy: what if you do `sudo service ssh restart`?
[10:52] <raddy> I was already root
[10:52] <s_kolind> sure but did you do ssh restart without the d?
[11:03] <s_kolind> raddy: Did you find a solution? :)
[11:03] <raddy> nope
[11:29] <deki_01> tuximator: I restarted the machine and now it seems to work just restarting the VM did not work, now it's fine. Thanks.
[12:44] <today911> hi, I'm looking at the coreutils source for ubuntu and can notice that each and every C file's main function starts more or less the same way, namely, initialize_main, set_program_name, setlocale, etc... I am looking to do the same in my little .c script, I'd like to have the initialize_main for my arguments the same way it is done in coreutils;
[12:44] <today911> how can I find out what I need for that? I could see system.h has initialize_main defined, but how can I include it? And anything else that's needed in order to use it?
[12:53] <ThinkT510> today911: that's not really a ubuntu support question. maybe you want to ask in a programming channel?
[13:15] <fwef64> Hi, I have Lenovo Thinkpad T480 and I'm running Ubuntu 20.10. When I suspend the laptop and try to wake it up using keyboard (pressing any key) or a mouse it doesn't wake up. Is there any way I can get it to work?
[13:17] <Maik> fwef64: did you search for bug reports on Launchpad yet?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:18] <kirk781> BluesKaj, sup
[13:19] <BluesKaj> hi kirk781
[13:19] <fwef64> Maik: I tried googling around and found some forum posts about echoing some values to /sys/bus/usb/device/*/power/wakeup, but it feels like there must be a better way of solving this
[13:20] <kirk781> BluesKaj, long time no see :p
[13:20] <BluesKaj> kirk781, I've been here :-)
[13:20] <kirk781> I haven't been :p
[13:22] <Maik> fwef64: i don't use suspend or hibernate since those always give issues on any linux distro, it's been like that as long as i been using linux and that's almost 14 years. So i can't be of any further help.
[13:24] <codekK> Hey guys, I'm having troubleshooting doing a hardening of a Ubuntu server machine. I have apply a hardening for SSH, and among other things I set the MaxAuthTries=3, but after set this and reload the sshd daemon, I'm not able to login to the machine anymore.. if I comment this line and reload I can login again... I'm getting the error "Too many authentication failures", and if I check with pam_tally2 --user <user> it has 0 login attempts :S any advice
[13:24] <codekK> on this?
[13:36] <xamua> does running: pam_tally2 --reset user=username  allow you to login even though it's reporting 0?
[13:51] <pavlos> raddy: do you have "PubkeyAuthentication yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[14:19] <nukeu666> I'm using ubuntu 20.04. My services like node and mongo(client) die without any error message, only a Terminated or [X]Done. I checked there are no oom warnings in dmesg. How else can i find out what is happening?
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> nukeu666: did you check your journal logs?
[14:31] <nukeu666> lotuspsychje: yup, journalctl onlykeeps printing this "systemd-udevd.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 281" but seems to be indepdnent of the dying processes. dmesg did not log anything either
[14:39] <nukeu666> i see error code 147 when node dies(Not enough resources are available to process this command). I also ~3gb free mem and no swap used.
[14:40] <gordonjcp> nukeu666: can you increase its logging verbosity, see if it'll tell you more?
[14:41] <nukeu666> i found the code with $?. which logging can i increase?
[14:47] <john_rambo> I followed this guide >>> https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-stubby-dns-over-tls .....But WIreshark is not capturing anything
[14:50] <Sky_Scraper> yo everybody! quick question, I'm not very expert with vnc remote control but I managed to make all servers and clients I need between my machines while reinstalling. Problem is that after the first vnc server use, if I reboot, both mouse and keyboard on the server machine are stocked and I can't figure out why or how to fix. I reinstalled multiple times and I'm sure is something related to VNC. I'm on ubuntu. Maybe my
[14:50] <Sky_Scraper> ~/.vnc/xstartup file is wrong and for some reason my session instead of ending do something nasty to my system on shutdown? Any idea why it happend? After checking everything I'm just sure is vnc, I use it once, reboot, gone mouse and keyboard. I'm asking here cos Vnc channel is desert
[15:02] <LowKey> Hi, i
[15:03] <LowKey> is it possible to to resize partition / from 800GB to 200GB ? and left unallocated  to create new partition /dev/sdX ?
[15:04] <rory> As long as there is no more than 200G of data on the partition, you can do that from a live session LowKey
[15:05] <LowKey> rory: ok, do you have a guide for this?
[15:05] <rory> The Ubuntu live environment where you boot from a USB stick, comes with gparted program already installed, that can do it for you via a graphical interface.
[15:07] <rory> LowKey, it looks like this, https://i.imgur.com/qznvaKZ.png
[15:08] <tuxinator> LowKey: however do a backup first!
[15:08] <rory> true that. also, it should go without saying that you can't have more than 200GB of data on the partition if you want to shrink it to 200G
[15:08] <non_AI> hi guys... one question... why i can not login as a root via putty anymore, since I have created super user and copied/changed_ownership/gave_permision to this user?
[15:09] <rory> root login via SSH is disabled on Ubuntu (and most distros) for security
[15:09] <non_AI> but when i created server
[15:09] <LowKey> ok noted thanks rory and tuxinator
[15:09] <LowKey> yes i will do backup first
[15:09] <non_AI> i could easy logedin
[15:09] <rory> where did you create the server non_AI ?
[15:09] <non_AI> digital ocean
[15:09] <non_AI> with public key
[15:10] <rory> Digital Ocean makes their own version of Ubuntu where you log in as root first I think
[15:10] <non_AI> well, i generated public key and i passed it to their interface before creating droplet
[15:10] <rory> Yes, I just checked, that is the case.
[15:10] <rory> Yeah, their setup stuff puts your key onto the root user and you log in as root.
[15:11] <non_AI> yes
[15:11] <rory> When you created a super user and set up their permissions were you following a guide/ Can you share it?
[15:11] <non_AI> but why this changes when i create new user and copy .ssh/auhtorize_key  > my_user/.ssh/authorize_key?
[15:11] <non_AI> nope i did by my logic:D
[15:12] <rory> It shouldn't change, that's what I'm trying to understand. Something else must have happened.
[15:12] <Anon_Linux> Olá a todos
[15:12] <rory> Did you maybe mv instead of cp the file
[15:12] <non_AI> no, i did cp
[15:12] <non_AI> i haven't changed sshd_config on root permission
[15:12] <non_AI> i double checked ls -la on root/.ssh
[15:12] <rory> This is academic, right? You are just trying to understand?
[15:12] <non_AI> if ownership is changed
[15:12] <non_AI> yes
[15:13] <Anon_Linux> I am organizing a team to translate the projects listed on Launchpad.net from English to Portuguese.
[15:13] <rory> Check in /var/log/auth.log what happens whenyou try to log in as root with SSH
[15:13] <Anon_Linux> Please contact me privately
[15:13] <Anon_Linux> thanks
[15:13] <non_AI> thanks, will do now
[15:15] <rory> non_AI, in general it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config "PermitRootLogin no" which usually prevents root login via SSH
[15:16] <non_AI> i have this on yes, this is why it is wierd:)
[15:16] <non_AI> Disconnected from invalid user some_name
[15:16] <non_AI> lol what is this?
[15:17] <rory> you see this when you try to ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[15:17] <rory> i mean that could be some random Internet person. It should say the IP address too so you can check it actually is you.
[15:19] <non_AI> i have two different ips
[15:19] <non_AI> in one minute
[15:19] <non_AI> and neither of them is mine
[15:21] <rory> if you are watching the file with: sudo tail -F /var/log/auth.log
[15:21] <rory> then when you try to "ssh root@your-server" at the same time you see an error in that terminal, you should see an error in auth.log
[15:22] <rory> what error do you get on the client side?
[15:23] <non_AI> User root from <IP_ADDRESS> not allowed becau               se not listed in AllowUsers
[15:23] <non_AI> ah
[15:23] <non_AI> lol
[15:25] <non_AI> but "PermitRootLogin Yes"
[15:25] <non_AI> it seems it overides it
[15:30] <rory> PermitRootLogin would have to be Yes, AND "root" would have to be in the AllowUsers list
[15:31] <rory> Maybe as part of your new user creation, you added AllowUsers line with your new username, but neglected to put "root" too
[15:31] <rory> By default AllowUsers is not set.
[15:31] <non_AI> yes, i get it now
[15:31] <non_AI> thanks rory
[15:31] <non_AI> var/log/ is great
[15:31] <non_AI> i am new to linux and this is very helpful
[15:31] <non_AI> thanks
[15:31] <rory> You can safely leave it unset btw, unless you really do have lots of users you need to control access to in that way
[15:32] <non_AI> i just wanted to understand what's going on
[15:33] <non_AI> Disconnected from invalid user "some_name" "someip" 215 port 57108 [preauth]
[15:33] <non_AI> btw what is this?
[15:33] <rory> If you have a server with SSH open to the internet, you should expect to see multiple failed auth attempts per minute!
[15:33] <non_AI> hackers?
[15:33] <rory> it's just people trying root:root and stuff. yeah.
[15:33] <rory> automated scripts, not people, i should say.
[15:33] <non_AI> yes
[15:33] <non_AI> btw
[15:33] <Peanut> Hi folks - I've just upgraded a system from Xenial to Focal, and I get the dreaded 'your system is running in low graphics mode'. gpu-manager.service seems unhappy.
[15:33] <non_AI> i have one website on cpanel
[15:34] <non_AI> i have checked ports...many are open from 21, mysql etc etc... do you think they are already in?
[15:35] <rory> open port just means, a program is able to serve traffic to the Internet on that port. It is not automatically a vulnerability
[15:36] <rory> As the administrator you ought to know what program is listening on which port. You can use "sudo netstat -tulpn" - the lines with <IP_ADDRESS>:x means port x is open to the internet. and the final column tells you the program
[15:36] <non_AI> but 21 is classic ftp... i guess they must be already in by no
[15:37] <rory> not necessarily, it just means you rely on having a strong password
[15:37] <non_AI> i see
[15:37] <rory> but it's not normal to have FTP open, something has installed/configured it this way
[15:37] <non_AI> yes
[15:37] <rory> Did the server come like this from DigitalOcean or did you run some setup script on it?
[15:37] <non_AI> i have some hosting on my registrar and i took cpanel
[15:37] <non_AI> i have just simple website
[15:38] <non_AI> i really don't care about it
[15:38] <rory> this is your own server and you have root and cpanel?
[15:38] <non_AI> but for fun i checked open ports
[15:38] <non_AI> my own server on my registrar ... not the one i am using on digital ocean right now
[15:38] <rory> usually cpanel is for multiple people sharing a server, none of whom have root
[15:39] <rory> you share that cpanel server with other users of the registrar
[15:39] <non_AI> nope
[15:39] <rory> you have 2 servers and you have root on both of them?
[15:39] <non_AI> to be honest i don't know what i have on registrar... i just click and i get into cpanel
[15:40] <rory> yeah you are 100% sharing a server
[15:40] <rory> you couldn't close port 21 anyway. don't worry about it. all shared hosting is like that. You have to decide if you trust the administrators.
[15:40] <non_AI> i used netstat -tulnp on my domain and i have seen there are like 50 open ports :) but this is default configuration, i haven't did anything by myself
[15:41] <rory> to be clear: netstat command shows you open ports on the machine you run it on
[15:41] <rory> you can't use it to scan remote ports of a machine on the internet, for that there is nmap.
[15:41] <non_AI> sorry
[15:41] <non_AI> it was nmpan yes
[15:41] <non_AI> it was nmap
[15:41] <non_AI> and it was an online check
[15:42] <rory> the domain name points to an IP of a server, but you don't administer that server, you are just a user of it, one of many users.
[15:42] <rory> that server is probably doing many things which is why you see so many random ports.
[15:44] <rory> when you e.g. create a new website in cpanel, it changes some files on the server, but that's just a self serve program for users. it's functionally no different than sending the system admin an email asking for a new site to be created :P
[15:44] <rory> anyway gtg.
[15:44] <rory> consider joining #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:44] <non_AI> thanks rory, have a nice day
[15:44] <rory> cheers you as well
[15:59] <tuxinator> there used to be a short command to show security updates only if i remember, can somebody point me to it?
[16:00] <tuxinator> like apt --list-upgradables "only security sources"
[16:00] <tuxinator> i don't remember and can't find it on the net or on the shell :D
[16:02] <Maik> pretty sure it's to be foud on the web
[16:02] <foxide> tuxinator: You can use unattended-upgrades in dry-run mode.
[16:03] <foxide> I believe that unatt-up only installs security updates.
[16:03] <tuxinator> foxide: thx a lot!
[16:03] <tuxinator> foxide: actually it does what you tell it to, you can define it in its config
[16:03] <foxide> tuxinator: So whatever it claims it will install should be a security update.
[16:03] <foxide> Well, by default, I think its security only.
[16:04] <foxide> I manage my servers through Landscape, so I haven't mucked with unat-up config too much.
[16:08] <tuxinator> foxide: for sure it will match my need, i just forgot about using it :D
[16:08] <tuxinator> dry mode does all i need
[16:37] <deadalnix> Hi all. i'm lookign for the repository where the code for the openvswitch ubuntu package is maintained. I can't find my way to it around launchpad - if it's even there.
[16:37] <deadalnix> Any help?
[16:42] <Maik> deadalnix: Launchpad has a search option, first hit when i put in openvswitch
[16:43] <Maik> https://launchpad.net/openvswitch
[16:44] <deadalnix> Maik, yes, I've been there, but no idea how to find the source for the package from there.
[16:46] <Maik> uhm.... the source packages are there....?
[16:46] <Maik> anyway, gotta run, bbl
[16:47] <deadalnix> Yes, these source are a snapshot of something that is presumaly in some git/svn/mercurial repo somewhere.
[16:50] <kevr> \o
[16:52] <Teacup> deadalnix: Are you looking for this? https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs
[16:52] <deadalnix> No, this is the source for ovs. I'm lookign for the repo where the packaing of OVS for ubuntu is maintained.
[16:53] <deadalnix> https://salsa.debian.org/openstack-team/third-party/openvswitch
[16:53] <deadalnix> This is for debian for instance
[16:53] <deadalnix> There must somethign similar for this package for ubuntu somewhere
[16:54] <ixdap> I need per window scaling for a legacy application. Currently I am using the gnome desktop that seemed to be the default. What would you recommend?
[16:55] <Teacup> deadalnix: Perhaps this? https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvswitch/
[16:55] <deadalnix> Teacup, YES!
[16:55] <deadalnix> thx!
[16:58] <JivanPal> deadalnix: In future, you can get that info from packages.ubuntu.com
[16:58] <deadalnix> JivanPal, thx, I was obviously not waware
[16:59] <JivanPal> Yeah, just looked here now, would've said earlier otherwise
[17:09] <kevr> wow, virt-manager on Ubuntu is nice!
[17:36] <nukeu666> I see a lot of cpu being used by ksoftircq and systemd-resolvd on my cloud server. Could this be causing frequent sigterms and sigstops on processes i run on shell?
[17:43] <kk4ewt> could it be yes
[17:47] <TJ-> nukeu666: ksoftirq can be a sign the system is being hit with a lot of packets; worth checking with tcpdump for unexpected traffic
[18:26] <shibboleth> is there an iso for 2004 server with the debian installer?
[18:43] <leftyfb> shibboleth: no  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/server-installer-plans-for-20-04-lts/13631
[20:15] <jwash> hi everyone, i am running out of physical media, can i boot an installation from a tftp server? my goal is to do an installation, then load it to ram and boot from it.
[20:26] <tomreyn> yes you can. where will you install to, though?
[20:26] <tomreyn> jwash: ^
[20:26] <jwash> i have a server room with all the computers in it
[20:27] <jwash> idea is that i have a boot image server that accepts tftp requests
[20:28] <jwash> all the computers that boot from the tftp server would have 2 ethernet ports, one for internet and general network traffic, the other for tftp services
[20:33] <ixdap> i have a laptop where the function keys do silly things like control brightness and volume and you press the Fn key to get actual function keys. I would like to flip between these two settings easily.
[20:35] <superschnell> ixdap: tried this yet? https://samtinkers.wordpress.com/2015/09/10/invert-fn-function-key-behaviour-in-linux/
[20:35] <tomreyn> ixdap: can sometime be done on the 'bios' setup screens.
[20:37] <ixdap>  superschnell, tomreyn, appreciated!
[20:48] <superschnell> ls -l
[20:48] <superschnell> whoops, sorry
[21:13] <tharkun> Good $DAY I just got this from an update FATAL -> Failed to fork.
[21:13] <tharkun> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'cwidget::util::AssertionFailure'
[21:13] <tharkun> Ouch!  Got SIGABRT, dying..
[21:13] <tharkun> Sorry for the multiple lines.
[21:14] <tharkun> I was using aptitude to update the system which has uname -a :Linux li100-178 4.15.0-111-generic #112-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 9 20:32:34 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:15] <tharkun> Aborted (core dumped)
[21:28] <tomreyn> !aptitude | tharkun
[21:33] <tomreyn> tharkun: also, if this a linux container, not a proper dedicated server or vm, then talk to your host
[21:44] <tharkun> tomreyn: I did not know about the aptitude isue. It is a full blown vps, not a container as such. Unless I am so outdated that a vps is now runned on a container.
[21:58] <jivan> tharkun: If it's KVM, then no; if it's OpenVZ, then yes
[21:58] <jivan> With OpenVZ, all instances on the same host share the same kernel, so if you can upgrade your kernel yourself, it's almost certainly KVM
[22:24] <tharkun> It is defenetly kvm, I can update kernels :)
[22:51] <tomreyn> tharkun: good! and yes, it's outdated, you're runnign a kernel from july last year
[22:59] <monaco> can someone give me some feedback for this: if possible https://clbin.com/4DXD3
[23:02] <oerheks> monaco, sure, what are you doing exactly, and what ubuntu vrsion?
[23:03] <monaco> oerheks: I am using 20.04 and I get that output Cannot read porivate key file and I can't remote desktop onto my ubuntu eventhough before was just fine !
[23:05] <oerheks> systemctl status xrdp or systemctl restart xrdp perhaps, on the host?
[23:09] <monaco> oerheks: thanks


[07:27] <doko> tdaitx: it is fixed
[08:12] <huehner> doko: any news on expected date for the -security copy?
[14:02] <doko> tdaitx: is the unattended upgrade test done?
[14:05] <tdaitx> no, not yet done
[14:23] <doko> tdaitx: there's one new issue saying that gtk3 l+f doesn't look well on bionic
[14:23] <doko> what else is missing?
[14:28] <doko> tdaitx: what about #1821235?
[14:35] <tdaitx> what's the one about  gtk3 l+f ?
[14:36] <tdaitx> ok, found it
[14:38] <doko> last comment in the big one
[14:43] <tdaitx> yeah, looking into that... I am not that familiar with the LaF logic for themes and how the GTK LaF actually works
[14:43] <tdaitx> the user says it is because Ambiance (from ubuntu-themes) does not have a good support
[14:48] <tdaitx> that does not seem to be the cause though, there's a very small difference between ubuntu-themes in cosmic/bionic and disco, and I don't see problems with the GTK LaF in Disco... will test scilab and jabref in qemu to check that
[17:47] <doko> now https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1821768
[17:50] <doko> tdaitx: so maybe removing the gtk2 support from openjdk-11 was a little bit premature :-/
[18:22] <tdaitx> doko: wait, this is the exact same as the one in 1814133, right? you asked Amr to open a new bug
[18:24] <doko> tdaitx: yes
[18:26] <doko> tdaitx: so, what needs to be done from your point of view for the push to the -security pocket?
[18:31] <tdaitx> I think we just need to get the stuff you listed as TODO: check gtk3 and the disco FTBFS
[18:33] <tdaitx> for gtk3 I am looking if we need additional backports from gtk packages or openjdk upstream
[18:33] <tdaitx> and the disco ftbs afaics was caused by the build helper (we could move the update ahead without that disco fix, vorlon said before that we don't necessarily need to have every fix in disco as well, as long as we have a plan to fix it)


[21:57] <bjoswald> The new Ubuntu Touch animation preview video is amazing
[21:58] <bjoswald> I wish I could get it going on my Kindle Fire 2


[00:22] <zmoylan-pi> and tonights movie is clue.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088930/
[04:46] <davmor2> Morning all
[06:18] <Myrtti> morning
[06:51] <mapps> never gonna learn am i
[06:51] <mapps> hey Myrtti
[07:05] <Myrtti> hey mapps
[07:10] <knightwise> Morning everyone
[07:12] <knightwise> installed ubuntu server on my mac mini last weekend.
[07:15] <Myrtti> knightwise: \o/
[07:15] <OERIAS> I installed Ubuntu 6.04 on an iBook G4
[07:19] <knightwise> OERIAS: seriously ?
[07:19] <knightwise> why such an old version
[07:19] <knightwise> there are PPC versions out for 12.04
[07:19] <knightwise> On the mac mini , i did notice it was running hot .. installed lmsensors and now its cooling down nicely
[07:19] <mapps> gonna have to fly from gib -> london then london -> moscow in january
[07:20] <mapps> :(
[07:20] <mapps> didnt realise id be moving
[07:20] <mapps> when i booked my flights
[07:20] <knightwise> Myrtti: its a perfect little server , silent, small and powerfull
[07:21] <knightwise> the I7 with 16 gigs of ram knows what to do all day long runnign about 5 virtual servers all the time
[07:21] <Myrtti> yeah, we've got one too as a living room computer
[07:21] <Myrtti> we've got different kit to act as a server, though
[07:21] <Myrtti> HP microserver and a ReadyNAS with 4x4TB dribes
[07:21] <knightwise> I have hooked up a 3tb usb drive for storage and thats mostly all I need
[07:22] <Myrtti> drives, in RAID5
[07:22] <knightwise> hmmm..... i'm drooling over one of those
[07:22] <knightwise> what  OS do you run on that microserver ?
[07:22] <Myrtti> Debian
[07:22] <knightwise> and just as a fileserver or does it also do other things ?
[07:22] <knightwise> (plex for example)
[07:22] <Myrtti> it's not even a file server, NAS takes care of that
[07:22] <Myrtti> it's a VM host
[07:23] <knightwise> so you have a  hp microserver as a vm host ?
[07:23] <Myrtti> one VM for plex, one for my irssi needs, and some dsample's projects he has every now and then
[07:23] <knightwise> what specs does it have ? The ones I saw were like 2 gigs of ram and an amd proc
[07:23] <Myrtti> yeah
[07:23] <knightwise> so what are the specs on your microserver ?
[07:24] <Myrtti> it used to have harddrives on it it but dsample decided to slap them all to a NAS
[07:24] <knightwise> aha
[07:24] <knightwise> and what cpu does it have  ?/ how much ram ?
[07:24] <Myrtti> after a harddrive with one copy of photo backups went pearshaped
[07:25] <Myrtti> I'll have a look, don't have the info off hand
[07:25] <knightwise> I copy our music and our pictures to a 500 gig Hd i've hooked up to our router.
[07:26] <knightwise> and all the important infor for our business is in the cloud or  backuped on a vm in canada
[07:26] <Myrtti> yeah I've got multiple backups of photos
[07:26] <Myrtti> too paranoid to leave it for just one harddrive located in the house
[07:27] <knightwise> true. I'm thinking of ramming all our pics in Google drive or something
[07:27] <Myrtti> http://sprunge.us/DBeT - yeah it's a 2GB ram one with an AMD cpu. could have more RAM but I'm not complaining, it's still faster for my irssi needs than the Viglen MPC-L was
[07:27] <knightwise> 8 euros a month gets you unliited storage now.
[07:28] <knightwise> I can buy one of those microservers for 200 euro ... worth it ?
[07:28] <Myrtti> I've got all my photos in Flickr, 25€ a year for unlimited
[07:29] <Myrtti> I don't know if they offer that to new customers
[07:29] <Myrtti> I've paid for it since yonks
[07:38] <knightwise> Myrtti: me too ..almost up to 700 pics
[07:38] <knightwise> 7000
[07:45] <Myrtti> 6002 for me
[07:47] <knightwise> Myrtti: flickr.com/knightwise
[07:47] <knightwise> ok , i found an hp microserver with 4 gigs of ram ...
[07:47] <knightwise> no drives inside .. but still nice.
[07:47] <Myrtti> You've got a DOGE?!
[07:47] <OERIAS> knightwise, later on I did install 14.04 for MacMini
[07:48] <knightwise> OERIAS: are you running it on a mac mini or a powerbook ?
[07:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:48] <Myrtti> shibas are awesome
[07:48] <knightwise> Myrtti: yep :) The original DOGE ;) So Wow ! µ
[07:48] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[07:48] <brobostigon> hey knightwise
[07:48] <knightwise> Myrtti: shibas are cute loving and fracking stubborn
[07:49] <OERIAS> Both
[07:49] <Myrtti> I love spitzes
[07:49] <OERIAS> I have an iBook G4, Powerbook G4, MacMini G4
[07:49] <knightwise> OERIAS: i ran 12.04 on a G4 mac mini for a while. not bad if you used the LXDE interface
[07:49] <Myrtti> spitzes are awesome dogs
[07:49] <knightwise> bummer was :  no flash and stuff
[07:49] <OERIAS> PowerMac G5.
[07:50] <knightwise> the MacMini G4 is pretty great for a server , the G5 just eats uranium rods for breakfast.  Learn new every day
[07:50] <knightwise> CDE ?
[07:51] <OERIAS> Yes.  I even use my Dell Venue 8 from time to time. all I need is a connection to the home linux server via SSH and a browser .. and I can pretty much do all I want
[07:58]  * knightwise is a bit of slider
[07:58] <brobostigon> OERIAS: yes, however its anything but alpha, its very stable, R1 is pretty close, except for a few bugs, also the packaging system is very impressive. they definatly could do with some help there, aswell as the ARM port.
[07:58] <knightwise> i use all OS'es together.
[07:59] <OERIAS> knightwise, you use WIndows 8????!!!!!
[07:59] <knightwise> installed homebrew on my Mac .. now i can just run native commands and apps on my mac
[07:59] <knightwise> OERIAS: www.knightwise.com  = hacks tips and tweaks for cross platform geeks :)
[07:59] <OERIAS> Well at least it doesn't run Windows RT
[08:00] <knightwise> OERIAS: I have my standards :p
[08:00] <knightwise> NO RT
[08:02] <knightwise> brobostigon: Haiku looks pretty
[08:03] <knightwise> I'm going to pose a stupid question : Can you (in irssi) have 2 chat windows side by side (2 chatrooms i mean)
[08:05] <brobostigon> knightwise: that it is, and very functional, and the fastest OS you will find this side of pluto.
[08:06] <knightwise> hmmm. i might give it a try :)
[08:06] <popey> morning
[08:07] <brobostigon> knightwise: cool. :)
[08:08] <brobostigon> morning popey
[08:08] <OERIAS> morning popey
[08:11] <OERIAS> Lovely SeaMonkey
[08:16] <brobostigon> knightwise: and if you do try haiku, go with a nightly. as the last stable release is ancient, and doesnt include things like the packaging system.
[08:18] <awilkins> This is looking nicer : http://oneplus.net/uk/one
[08:18] <awilkins> Will have to see how Android L affects my poor old Nexus 4
[08:18] <knightwise> brobostigon: i'll give it a spin in a VM :=)
[08:18]  * knightwise ist geeking out to youarelistening.to
[08:18] <brobostigon> knightwise: cool, :)
[08:20] <awilkins> Is this a live feed from a Copper Chopper?
[08:21] <knightwise> awilkins: you can choose all kinds of livestreams
[08:21] <knightwise> interesting stuff
[08:21] <knightwise> and the ambient music in the back makes it eerie
[08:21] <awilkins> Channel I've got has no music
[08:21] <awilkins> Los Angeles
[08:21] <knightwise> awilkins: it takes a minute to start
[08:22]  * awilkins switches to Wichita
[08:22] <knightwise> try the "numbers station" thats bizarre
[08:22] <awilkins> Numbers stations are
[08:23] <knightwise> ive always wondered about their purpose
[08:23] <OERIAS> Too bad the OnePlusOne does not have external storage.
[08:23] <Myrtti> awilkins: sorry but I refuse to even click that link because of the marketing gaffe they did few weeks back with the 'show us your tits and you can buy a oneplus at normal price' pile of failure they did
[08:24] <awilkins> OERIAS, True, but with a 64GB model at £270 I wouldn't need too much external storage... does it support that thing where it's a USB host as well as a client?
[08:25] <awilkins> Myrtti, That's ... disappointing
[08:26] <OERIAS> true, only thing we can do is demand, it shouldn't hurt.
[08:26] <Myrtti> say again?
[08:27] <awilkins> I think he means an SD Card slot, and not intimate photos
[08:27] <Myrtti> I hope so
[08:30] <knightwise> Myrtti: that was their marketing campain ? ? ?
[08:30] <Myrtti> knightwise: http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/12/oneplus-cancels-its-dumb-contest-following-uproars-of-sexism/
[08:48] <knightwi1e> clear
[08:48] <knightwi1e> one one thousand ... two one thousand ...
[08:48] <knightwi1e> 90's kids will get this
[08:59] <Myrtti> oh no, my coffee cup is empty
[09:04] <popey> http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/bukkit-its-time-to-say-goodbye.305106/  vs   https://twitter.com/jeb_/status/502380018216206336
[09:04] <popey> minecraft related
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: ooh more drama in game land
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> It seems to be drama week..
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Senior Citizens Day!  I should move over my data to my new server ...
[09:21] <knightwi1e> start to do a copy from one drive to the other drive ... mount some folders .. get stuff done ...
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> Go knightwi1e!  Been going on all summer here.
[09:23] <foobarry> i was disappointed to find that the cartoon i liked and followed on facebook has not been appearing in my feed for months :(
[09:23] <knightwise> people daring eachother to jump off a bridge into a canal
[09:23] <knightwise> 2 Darwin awards so far with lethal concequences.
[09:23] <foobarry> wife said, did you see today's one? i tought WHAT?? i thought they had stopped
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: this is why you use an RSS reader -- facebook hides stuff
[09:23] <foobarry> yes :(
[09:24] <foobarry> but i think she only puts them on fb
[09:24] <knightwise> I feel 'herded' when I use it
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: then she should pay facebook to increase the number of people who get to see it.. yes that is how it works...
[09:24] <foobarry> maybe if i had one accoutn for every friend i could collect the whole picture
[09:24] <knightwise> ...hmm been looking at dual monitor mounts for my 2 24 inch displays .. expensive sucjers.
[09:25] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: or i click like on every cartoon of hers
[09:25] <foobarry> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Em-Cartoons/148180005208895?fref=ts
[09:26] <foobarry> the only funny cartoon around. xkcd is witty/thoughtful  though
[09:29] <foobarry> my boy starts school in september. things are getting expensive
[09:32] <awilkins> I liked Charlie Sheen's "ice bucket" challenge. He dumped $10,000 dollars over his head, donated it to the charity concerned, and dared several of his rich mates to do the same thing.
[09:35] <awilkins> Oh yes : gripe about Duply / duplicity
[09:36] <awilkins> It either needs to support a "maximum backup storage size" limit OR not moan about volume size when you give it a volume that's definitely large enough (what does it think is "too small" and why?)
[09:36] <awilkins> Was setting up my Mum with backup
[09:36] <awilkins> I thought "duplicity backups into a cloud-synced folder"
[09:37] <awilkins> But if it exceeds the cloud allocation with historical backups, then it will be backing up and not being mirrored
[09:38] <awilkins> So I thought "I'll make a loop file of the appropriate size and mount it at boot and backup to that" - duplicity will know when it's full and automatically remove old backups
[09:38] <awilkins> But the duplicity moans about the volume being too small (even though it's about 10x the size of the files being backed up).
[09:39] <knightwise> doesnt deja dup do it automatically ?
[09:39] <popey> foobarry: "Back to school" all over the shops
[09:39] <awilkins> knightwise, Doesn't have options for "limit total backup size to ...."
[09:40] <bigcalm> Sell the child and go on holiday \o/
[09:40] <awilkins> knightwise, And it's just a frontend for duplicity AFAIK
[09:40] <knightwise> aha
[09:41] <knightwise> cant you tell it to start dumping old backups when the destination is full ?
[09:41] <awilkins> knightwise, It does do that - but - I'm backing up to a local folder on a large partition
[09:41] <awilkins> knightwise, If I put that folder on a volume designed to fill up before the cloud folder does, it moans that it's too small
[09:42] <awilkins> Apparently it thinks 20GB isn't good enough these days
[09:42] <awilkins> (even for about 2GB of files)
[09:43] <awilkins> Not sure where the threshold is, I've backed up to USB thumbs before..
[09:43] <awilkins> Or whether it's to do with the way I had it set up
[09:43] <popey> bigcalm: sounds like a plan. want to buy two children?
[09:46] <bigcalm> popey: time to tweet therealpopey I think ;)
[09:49] <popey> heh
[09:49] <popey> she's at school with her pupils getting their GCSE's
[09:50] <bigcalm> Bet she's glad to be back at work
[09:51] <popey> hah, she's excited
[10:02] <bigcalm> I think that my freshly installed windows 7 machine might just about be ready to use
[10:03] <bigcalm> I hate my self
[10:03] <bigcalm> So many restarts
[10:04] <bigcalm> This amused me from last night: https://twitter.com/Windows/status/502233843706126337
[10:05] <awilkins> I'd love myself after installing Windows 8.1 as well
[10:05] <awilkins> Anything for some stress relief.
[10:05] <bigcalm> If I didn't know that they believed themselves, I'd have thought they were trolling me
[10:06] <bigcalm> Still installing updates. I even put in a spare SSD to help make it less sucky
[10:06] <bigcalm> It's still sucky
[10:06] <foobarry> bigcalm: that sounds like a bot tweet
[10:07] <awilkins> Maybe that's what they are using Cortana for. It does sound like that kind of response.
[10:07] <foobarry> maybe they search for hate windows 8,1
[10:08] <awilkins> I remember having to reinstall Windows on the ex-wife's laptop because her IT department insisted that she use their horrible full-disk encryption product
[10:08] <awilkins> Literally took all night
[10:08] <awilkins> Reboot, reboot, reboot.
[10:08] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/Bree_Elrod/status/501153180819156992
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> ♫ We all live in a Windows subroutine
[10:08] <bigcalm> Shouldn't the IT dept. have don't it?
[10:09] <awilkins> Was her personal machine
[10:09] <foobarry> https://twitter.com/kennethreynolds/status/497378323698184192
[10:09] <foobarry> they are searching for hate windows 8.1 laptop
[10:09] <bigcalm> :(
[10:10] <foobarry> and sounds very bottish
[10:47] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/2e5f04/since_2007_apple_has_released_9_phone_models/ made me chuckle
[10:48] <Myrtti> I just have to ask you to double check what I'm seeing on the Maplin site
[10:48] <Myrtti> http://www.maplin.co.uk/c/gadgets-toys-and-hobbies/projects-kits-and-modules/arduino
[10:48] <Myrtti> is that a Nilfisk pressure washer?
[10:50] <Myrtti> and http://www.maplin.co.uk/search?text=flora&x=0&y=0 - are those really automatic clamps?
[10:54] <Myrtti> right, their site is useless.
[10:54] <popey> haha
[10:55] <Myrtti> arduino text search returns nothing but small OLED displays
[11:13] <knightwise> hey :)
[11:13] <knightwise> problem :(
[11:13] <knightwise> i get an error code when I want to use webmin
[11:13] <knightwise> installation on 14.04 works fine
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> don't use webmin ;)
[11:13] <knightwise> i add the webmin repository so i have version 1.700
[11:14] <knightwise> and when I want to open one of those windows that lets you browse through the folders on your system I get the following error
[11:14] <knightwise> HTTP/1.0 500 Perl execution failed Server: MiniServ/1.700 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 10:54:49 GMT Content-type: text/html; Charset=iso-8859-1 Connection: close
[11:14] <knightwise> any ideas what it might be ?
[11:15] <knightwise> on the other systems i'm running webmin version 1.690
[11:17] <knightwise> just found the .1690 version,
[11:17] <knightwise> gonna try that
[11:18] <OERIAS> Does anyone here theme their Unity desktop?
[11:20] <knightwise> yeah
[11:20] <knightwise> numix :)
[11:30] <OERIAS> knightwise, nice to know that other people theme and not "blindly" accept the silly themes that is somewhat imposed on the rest.
[11:31] <knightwise> OERIAS: its the first thing i do when I use unity .. personalise it
[11:34] <OERIAS> Mon Desktop:
[11:34] <OERIAS> http://imgur.com/ff55Tr8
[11:34] <OERIAS> knightwise ^
[11:38] <knightwise> crud
[11:38] <knightwise> server crashed :(
[11:38] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/Gdwxk88 well here's my desktop
[11:39] <knightwise> standard icons ! Get numix rounded icons :) very cool
[11:39] <SuperMatt> I'm the one in the middle^w^w^won the right
[11:40] <OERIAS> Am I the only on that thinks that rounded icons are for mobile phones?
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> hope your eye gets better :-p
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> microsoft doesn't :-)
[11:40] <OERIAS> nice desktop.
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> first thing i always remove is background image, waste of ram
[11:41] <OERIAS> You what my background image in xfce
[11:41] <OERIAS> ?
[11:41] <OERIAS> Or Window Maker,
[11:42] <OERIAS> http://www.paulnoll.com/Colors/color-0522-Light-Pastel-Purple.jpg
[11:44] <Myrtti> I've got four background images...
[11:46] <OERIAS> Are you guys likely to find more desktops and notebook computer with Linux preinstalled in the UK?
[11:46] <foobarry> more liekly than where?
[11:46] <OERIAS> The American Empire
[11:47] <awilkins> It's not really noticeable here
[11:47] <awilkins> I think you have to go looking... Dell do some pre-installed machines I think.
[11:48] <OERIAS> awilkins, Dell does but sometimes the specs are inferior than their Windows machines
[11:48] <OERIAS> Much rather buy the Windows PC and wipe it off with a Slackware or Debian installation
[11:48] <awilkins> OERIAS, When the netbooks were a new thing, the Linux ones often had better specs offset by the cost of a Windows OEM license
[11:49] <awilkins> Personally I think I'll be sticking to Lenovo
[11:49] <OERIAS> Yes they did. I remember when I lived in Canada, the first netbooks did have linux installed
[11:49] <awilkins> With as much Intel hardware as possible
[11:49] <awilkins> Intel do at least have the right attitude about drivers
[11:50] <OERIAS> I actually liked IBM thinkpads over the Lenovo ones.
[11:50] <foobarry> when shopping for a laptop i choose a compatible one first and foremost
[11:50] <foobarry> even some with linux preinstalled may depend on dodgy binary blobs
[11:50] <OERIAS> System76 is a personal favourite of mine.
[11:51] <awilkins> I find it a shame that the laptops you see in physical shops are rarely the ones you want to buy
[11:51] <awilkins> I struggled to find a family laptop which didn't have the stupid "consumer" screen res of 1280x768
[11:52] <awilkins> Or whatever it is
[11:52] <awilkins> The stupid 768 pixel high one
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> 1366x768
[11:52] <OERIAS> Yes and mobile phone have 1200*1080
[11:52] <OERIAS> Why not notebooks?
[11:53] <awilkins> I had a 1600x1200 15" screen on my first laptop for work, 15 years ago
[11:53] <OERIAS> really awilkins ?
[11:53] <awilkins> OERIAS, Yeah, nice Dell one.
[11:54] <OERIAS> I remember a lot of notebooks had shitty screens back in the early 2000's
[11:54] <bigcalm> !ohmy | OERIAS
[11:55] <OERIAS> Sorry.
[11:56] <ujjain> are IT salaries rising or stable for the last years?
[11:56] <ujjain> I see a lot of messages that say they need IT personel, but so far salaries don't seem to be going up that much.
[11:56] <awilkins> In the States or elsewhere?
[11:57] <awilkins> In the States the impression I get is that they make a lot of noise about lacking IT personnel to get their H1B visa count up
[11:57] <ujjain> in the UK, Western Europe
[11:57] <awilkins> I just got rehired for +33%
[11:57] <ujjain> I want to work in the US, but H1B visa is tricky.
[11:57] <ujjain> ah, that's funny.
[11:57] <foobarry> my salary is only just approaching the level i had in 1999
[11:58] <awilkins> But I was working in a gov.uk post so I was arguably underpaid for my experience and skillset
[11:58] <ujjain> ah really? 50k pound salaries were common in 1999-2000?
[11:58] <foobarry> who said 50k?
[11:58] <OERIAS> Well IT jobs are very common in the US of A
[11:58] <awilkins> in '99 I was a junior doc earning £21k
[11:59] <awilkins> And working 80 hour weeks for it too
[11:59] <OERIAS> Some with incomes of $90,000
[11:59] <awilkins> Went from that to a junior dev earning £12k
[11:59] <foobarry> but yes, £40-50k salaries in banking sector were the norm
[12:00] <foobarry> in the late 1990s
[12:00] <awilkins> I had a "Senior Tech Arch" for the financial sector post drop in my inbox this morning for £70k +
[12:00] <OERIAS> The problem lies with where to find jobs. Most of the .com companies in 'murika are in the Silicon valley.
[12:00] <foobarry> sounds about right
[12:01] <awilkins> Combination of problems... from my side, we found it really, really hard to hire people with the right XP
[12:01] <ujjain> It seems there is a big difference in work pressure between jobs too, I see a lot of people here like doing nothing all day.
[12:01] <awilkins> But then we pay crapulous wages because we are a gov.uk org
[12:01] <foobarry> i know someone who went on that y cominator thing in silicon alley
[12:02] <awilkins> ujjain, There's always a difference in work pressure even within the walls of one place
[12:02] <foobarry> haven't seen her since
[12:02] <awilkins> ujjain, Some people are very good at slacking, the larger and older the org gets, the more of them you'll have around
[12:03] <awilkins> ujjain, I probably look like I'm slacking a lot of the time, but I make up for it by being very good at what I do when things need doing fast
[12:03] <foobarry> ujjain: where is "here"
[12:03] <ujjain> Well, in my team there is not much work, it's sometimes a bit frustrating.
[12:03] <ujjain> in London.
[12:03] <awilkins> Yeah, there is that as well
[12:04] <awilkins> Especially for technical teams who only work on things decided on by other people
[12:04] <ujjain> Yeah, not sure what to do, so much free time.
[12:05] <awilkins> ujjain, Improve yourself, definitely. Work on things of some benefit to your employer, or even personal projects.
[12:05] <awilkins> If you improve yourself you are of more value to the company (and yourself).
[12:05] <ujjain> yeah, I think so, I enjoyed reading this story https://sites.google.com/site/forgottenemployee/.
[12:05] <awilkins> So if they can't fill your working day it's an honest use of your time.
[12:06] <ujjain> Yeah, I guess that's true. But after a while, gets a bit boring too, but I try to play my free time in advance yeah.
[12:07] <ujjain> There is a lot of interesting upcoming Linux-stuff to learn yeah, sometimes gets a bit boring though.
[12:07] <awilkins> Hence the reason Google allows 20% time
[12:07] <awilkins> They know that engineers get slack, get bored
[12:07] <foobarry> they don't do that anymore
[12:07] <awilkins> They don't? Silly boys.
[12:07] <ujjain> yeah, I guess that work be a nice balance, 80% IT, 20% free
[12:07] <ujjain> in my case I feel its the other way around lol
[12:07] <foobarry> the 20% thing was early google days
[12:07] <ujjain> yeah, they canceled that at google
[12:08] <popey> http://androidphonenamegenerator.com/
[12:09] <OERIAS> Samsung Amaze Slide Plus
[12:10] <foobarry> ujjain: contractor or permie?
[12:10] <foobarry> spare time at work is time to improve your skills and document stuff
[12:10] <foobarry> and make IT systems more efficient
[12:23] <foobarry> g+ whats hot is terrible
[12:24] <foobarry> gives me barely SFW stuff
[13:17] <DJones> Heh, Diaspora gets some media attention http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-28882042?ocid=socialflow_twitter
[13:18] <DJones> And not good publicity
[13:19] <Myrtti> ah yes, the social network nobody remember unless it's mentioned somewhere by someone else, first
[13:19] <Myrtti> maybe they'll get some more users now
[13:19] <Myrtti> or the old users remember they have accounts
[13:20] <DJones> I'm surprised I managed to remember my username & password to log in just to see if it still worked
[13:21] <foobarry> if a tree fell over on diaspora, would anyone hear it?
[14:53] <Laney> fffffssssssssscccckkkkkkkkkkkkk
[14:53] <Laney> "my this is taking a long time to boot"
[15:00] <popey> awww, shame knightwise isn't around to see the best ALS Ice bucket challenge video so far (IMO) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4qADFNsDxE
[15:01] <popey> Expecting it to be Jimmy Kimmell
[15:01] <awilkins> Is making grep coredump worth a bug report?
[15:04] <foobarry> yep
[15:04] <foobarry> if its grep's fault
[15:04] <directhex> disharmonic: poor grep
[15:04] <foobarry> this time of year i am playing out of office roulette. trying to find someone actually availabel to send me a doc
[15:05] <foobarry> "i am away, please ask $OTHER"
[15:05] <foobarry> $OTHER is away too...$OTHER2..
[15:18] <awilkins> foobarry, As far as I'm concerned, grep should not coredump for any inputs
[15:19] <awilkins> Coming back and saying "I couldn't cope with that input because ..." is fine
[15:19] <awilkins> I am doing something a mite odd in that I'm using the PCRE support and using look-arounds
[15:19] <awilkins> But I guess because PCRE support is "highly experimental" bug reports are useful
[22:22] <diddledan> quiet in here tonight
[22:22] <Azelphur> I'm having fun negotiating the terms of my employment
[22:22] <Azelphur> being employed by as a developer is difficult when you work on FOSS stuff too
[22:22] <diddledan> ouch
[22:22] <diddledan> yeah
[22:23] <Azelphur> Contract: All your code are belong to us
[22:23] <diddledan> I hate that
[22:23] <Azelphur> yea
[22:23] <diddledan> it's one reason why I actually like being freelance atm
[22:23] <Azelphur> diddledan: they have a clause in there for them releasing the rights to a project
[22:23] <diddledan> >.<
[22:23] <Azelphur> so I've just asked that they write me a waiver saying "The employee has advised that he does out of hours contract work for other
[22:23] <Azelphur> organisations in non competing areas and the employer acknowledges this disclosure"
[22:24] <Azelphur> hopefully that'll be acceptable, it was recommended by a friend :)
[22:27] <diddledan> I gues you could do the inverse of a Contributor Licence Assignment for each of your projects get your employer to sign a waiver for that copyright
[22:27] <diddledan> but that's a pain
[22:27] <diddledan> it's easier if they can give carte-blance
[22:27] <diddledan> blanche*
[22:27] <Azelphur> yea
[22:34] <diddledan> potentially risqué, but http://cdn.diply.com/img/d00d7930-0307-475f-8541-167557a3401f.jpg
[22:34] <diddledan> :-p
[22:41] <Azelphur> haha
[22:42] <diddledan> I think it's time to sleep
[22:42] <Azelphur> nn
[22:42] <diddledan> nn
[23:19] <mapps> well
[23:19] <mapps> watching expendables 3 has made me tired
[23:19] <mapps> :D
[23:26] <daftykins> must be all the suspension of disbelief
[23:26] <daftykins> ;)
[23:27] <mapps> heh
[23:27] <mapps> its just action but for actions sake
[23:27] <mapps> 5 days and il be in RIGA :D checked in for flight today and bought return flight
[23:27] <mapps> kinda sucks 201 GBP 250 euros but when ryan air convert from euros to gbp came to 427 for 2 tickets
[23:27] <mapps> dont care anyway
[23:27] <mapps> :D
[23:28] <daftykins> :O
[23:28] <mapps> then 4 weeks and move to Spain/Gib - not sure where appt is yet
[23:29] <mapps> gonna buy a new laptop..i wont have a tv  and i watch a LOT of films/tv series..and my laptops only 15inch
[23:29] <mapps> figure i should get a 17inch
[23:29] <mapps> :D
[23:31] <daftykins> current one got HDMI or VGA out? just get a screen
[23:31] <daftykins> :P
[23:31] <mapps> but then what about when i move back to uk?
[23:32] <daftykins> i assume you mean for logistics?
[23:32] <mapps> yea
[23:33] <mapps> how can i see what module a usb wifi adapter is using
[23:34] <daftykins> lspci -nnk
[23:34] <daftykins> or "lsmod | grep 80211" sometimes
[23:34] <mapps> ah
[23:34] <mapps> thanks
[23:35] <mapps> mac80211              329373  3 rt2x00lib,rt2x00usb,rt2800lib
[23:35] <mapps> cfg80211              211002  2 mac80211,rt2x00lib
[23:35] <mapps> rfkill                 19567  2 cfg80211
[23:35] <mapps> pi@raspberrypi /etc/modprobe.d $
[23:35] <mapps> mac80211,r
[23:36] <mapps> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter
[23:36] <mapps> O_o
[23:36] <mapps> i wanna disable power management on it
[23:36] <daftykins> are you sure that's what's going wrong with that little toy? ;)
[23:37] <mapps> yea
[23:37] <mapps> i think
[23:37] <daftykins> and not just constrained USB issues
[23:37] <mapps> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/6957/how-to-disable-raspberry-pi-power-management
[23:38] <mapps> ah
[23:38] <mapps> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46569&p=386668
[23:38] <mapps> thats even mentions the usb wifi im using!
[23:41] <daftykins> sorry mate i don't have any time to look at stuff tonight
[23:42] <daftykins> too much rushing to book flights to nip up to England tomorrow
[23:42] <mapps> ah
[23:42] <mapps> :)
[23:42] <mapps> last min flights?


[03:15] <hyperair> Sarvatt: this round of x-x-v-i pwned my uptime =O
[03:19] <LLStarks> hyperair, newest upload of intel?
[03:19] <hyperair> LLStarks: in xorg-edgers.
[03:20] <LLStarks> can you boot to desktop? what chipset?
[03:21] <hyperair> LLStarks: it boots. it just doesn't stay booted for long.
[03:21] <hyperair> LLStarks: i965
[03:24] <LLStarks> hard crash?
[03:24] <LLStarks> x crash?
[03:35] <Sarvatt> so right when i disable the pageflip disablement patch you start getting crashes again?
[03:41] <Sarvatt> reenabled it in 0ubuntu0sarvatt6
[06:03] <hyperair> Sarvatt: how timely, eh.
[06:03] <hyperair> Sarvatt: by the way, what was that environment variable you were saying the other day? i'm now having issues with bad frame rates
[06:04] <hyperair> i suspect this time it's due to mesa, not xxvi
[07:29] <Bernardo> good morning
[07:42] <hyperair> oh hey my frame rates are back
[07:58] <LLStarks> sarvatt, ubuntu5 is working fine. are you sure pageflip is the issue? how could i test it?
[07:58] <LLStarks> *sarvatt5
[10:59] <Duke`> intel video driver is quite unstable these days
[11:09] <lucazade> Bernardo ping
[11:29] <lucazade> Bernardo should fix psb-kernel-source with 2.6.34 - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/Gma500/deb_lucid/psb-kernel-source_4.42.0-0ubuntu2%7E1004um2_all.deb
[11:30] <lucazade> https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/90678/!
[13:01] <lucazade> Bernardo not working
[13:35] <Bernardo> lucazade ping
[13:49] <lucazade> Bernardo
[13:52] <Bernardo> lucazade: how didn't that patch work? It doesn't compile, or the module doesn't load?
[13:53] <lucazade> psb-kernel-source compiles correctly but during psb-kernel-reconfigure there is an error (i've unfortunately removed old logs arg!)
[13:56] <tjaalton> merging xorg-server...
[13:57] <lucazade> Bernardo http://mjg59.livejournal.com/116720.html
[13:57] <Bernardo> lucazade: I think there is still something broken in our dkms configuration
[13:57] <lucazade> yes
[13:58] <lucazade> i'm thinking i've applied tha patch in the wrong way...mmm..
[13:59] <lucazade> should be my fault
[14:00] <Bernardo> about the acpi, implementing the whole spec is beyond my knowledge and my available time...
[14:00] <lucazade> yes, just for reference
[14:02] <Bernardo> let's open a issue for it... :)
[14:20] <lucazade> Bernardo are you going to try the patch for psb-kernel-source ? i'm afraid was my issue
[14:21] <Bernardo> I can try it, but I don't have 2.6.34 here
[14:21] <lucazade> ive used kernel ppa
[14:21] <Bernardo> I was looking at tseliot attempt, to see if I can understand what he tried to do and why it isn't working
[14:22] <lucazade> ah  cool.. hope you can find the issue
[15:02] <Bernardo> bbl, time to enjoy the sun
[15:02] <lucazade> bye
[15:45] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: from experimental or unstable? :D
[15:45] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: experimental
[15:46] <Sarvatt> \o/
[15:46] <tjaalton> patches fixed, changelog edit remaining
[16:12] <tjaalton> alright, xserver merge pushed to git
[16:14] <Sarvatt> thanks so much for doing that tjaalton
[16:15] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: it probably won't even build yet ;)
[16:15] <Sarvatt> yeah i'll look it over in a few, someones putting ppa-purge in the archives and was asking me to look over the changes
[16:16] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: do you know if they decided on xserver 1.8.x or 1.9 at UDS? just wondering if i should start with 1.9 on xorg-edgers
[16:17] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: 1.9 if it's released on August as it seems
[16:17] <jcristau> that's what phoronix said, so it must be true
[16:17] <tjaalton> hehe
[16:17] <jcristau> (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODI0Nw)
[16:17] <tjaalton> yeah michael was present
[16:17] <tjaalton> via irc
[16:17] <Sarvatt> thats kinda scary since 1.8.x still has major problems months after release :)
[16:18] <tjaalton> what kind?
[16:18] <jcristau> the 1.8.0 release was weird.
[16:18] <Sarvatt> dri2 stuff
[16:18] <tjaalton> yeah .0 was bad
[16:18] <Sarvatt> and ironically master is in better shape than 1.8.x :D
[16:18] <Sarvatt> fedora is backporting a crapload of dri2/glx stuff from master to 1.8.x
[16:20] <jcristau> 1.8.0 was basically "i said i'd release on $date, so let's put a version number on a random master snapshot even though it has a bunch of known bad bugs but i didn't look at bugzilla so it's fine"
[16:20] <Sarvatt> http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-13/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.8.0-swap-fixes.patch?view=markup  http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/F-13/xorg-x11-server/xserver-1.8.0-glxdri2-resource-conversion.patch?view=markup
[16:20] <tjaalton> it was like a mesa .0 :)
[16:20] <jcristau> tjaalton: pretty much :)
[16:20] <Sarvatt> yeah but mesa makes no claim that a .0 release is stable :D
[16:20] <tjaalton> indeed
[16:21] <tjaalton> I knew it that I was looking at the wrong fedora tree :)
[16:21] <tjaalton> devel is left behind
[16:22] <jcristau> timed-based releases...  you need to wait for .2 to get something usable, but as long as .0 is released on time you can claim that you're doing good.
[16:22] <tjaalton> mm, wonder how lucid fits in there :)
[16:22] <Sarvatt> then you get phoronix telling people they are using old crap because they aren't using .0's :D
[16:23] <tjaalton> i read fedora-devel from time to time, and there people are upset because they get too _many_ updates post-release
[16:24] <Sarvatt> doesnt look like 1.8.x is going to get as much love as 1.7.x, still no -nominations
[16:24] <tjaalton> it's on the other side of the spectrum, if ubuntu is somewhat hard to get updates to
[16:24] <tjaalton> huh, well whot should take care of it?
[16:24] <jcristau> tjaalton: dunno.  only machine with lucid i've seen was a guy i helped out.  some saved gnome-session meant it was trying to run compiz.real as window manager, but lucid got rid of the wrapper script so compiz.real didn't exist, so you had no window manager.
[16:25] <tjaalton> jcristau: I'm happy to start from a clean slate at work, since we'll migrate $HOME to a bigger system, shared with Win7, so no reason to keep the old and possibly broken configs
[16:26] <jcristau> took me 2 minutes to fix it, but for somebody unfamiliar with it...
[16:26] <tjaalton> the gnome configs tend to gather some cruft
[16:26] <tjaalton> and it's up to the user to migrate the dotfiles
[16:27] <tjaalton> i guess so anyway, maybe it hasn't been decided yet hmm..
[16:29] <tjaalton> jcristau: btw, what do you think of the xvfb-changes in ubuntu xserver, could those be applied to experimental as well?
[16:29] <jcristau> haven't looked
[16:30] <tjaalton>    - local/xvfb-run*: Add correct docs about error codes (LP 328205)
[16:30] <tjaalton>     - local/xvfb-run: Use "-extension Composite" to fix xvfb-run crashing.
[16:30] <jcristau> seems to run fine without disabling composite?
[16:31] <jcristau> so that part might be obsolete
[16:31] <tjaalton> ok
[16:31] <jcristau> the other one sounds fine, need to look at the patch.  can you send me a mail so i try and do that?
[16:32] <tjaalton> sure
[16:32] <Sarvatt> jcristau: so does debian delete saved gnome sessions on major upgrades?
[16:32] <jcristau> Sarvatt: no idea
[16:33] <jcristau> probably not, you can't delete user files from maintainer scripts..
[16:35] <Sarvatt> thats pretty nasty but the user had to manually enable saving the sessions like that to get to that point I guess
[16:35] <jcristau> if he did, he didn't remember..
[16:37] <tjaalton> sounds like a bug in the session saver
[16:37] <tjaalton> it should cover situations like that
[16:38] <tjaalton> but I guess it's not widely used
[16:38] <tjaalton> or even maintained :)
[16:39] <jcristau> ++    - rules: Xvfb depends on xauth, x11-xkb-utils, recommends
[16:39] <jcristau> ++      libgl1-mesa-dri. (LP 500102)
[16:39] <jcristau> that's control, not rules ;)
[16:39] <tjaalton> hah
[16:40] <jcristau> quite a pile of ubuntu patches still :/
[16:40] <tjaalton> fixed..
[16:40] <tjaalton> yep
[16:40] <tjaalton> 25
[16:40] <tjaalton> used, three commented out
[16:40] <Sarvatt> hmm i would think the session should be calling the generic window manager name instead of compiz directly like that?
[16:41] <tjaalton> then it would be sensible, and that can't be now can it ;)
[16:42] <Sarvatt> yeah i guess its complicated by gtk-window-manager being seperate, i really dont know
[16:42] <Sarvatt> i've been doing xorg-edgers with only 6 patches total to xorg-server
[16:44] <jcristau> 109 is upstream now.  not sure about the rest.
[16:44] <Sarvatt> 001_fedora_extramodes.patch 106_nouveau_autodetect.patch 168_glibc_trace_to_stderr.patch 188_default_primary_to_first_busid.patch 189_xserver_1.5.0_bg_none_root.patch 191-Xorg-add-an-extra-module-path.patch
[16:48] <Sarvatt> tracking down the authors for a ton of these patches to get them to do a git formatted patch with attribution is a PITA when the patch is 4 years old+ :)
[16:49] <jcristau> heh, i was expecting nettle to be in universe, turns out it seems to be in main..
[16:50] <tjaalton> yeah me too
[16:50] <tjaalton> need to as cjwatson when keyboard-configuration is in..
[16:50] <tjaalton> *ask
[16:51] <Sarvatt> it'll probably be a month until all the udeb packages are accepted :D
[16:52] <tjaalton> need to merge mesa too
[16:53] <Sarvatt> is it ok to file sync requests for things in experimental?
[16:53] <tjaalton> sure
[16:53] <tjaalton> but we can sync as well
[16:53] <jcristau> Sarvatt: is there any interest in ubuntu for the graphical d-i?
[16:53] <tjaalton> jcristau: i believe so
[16:54] <tjaalton> at least since cjwatson merged libx11
[16:54] <jcristau> ok
[16:55] <jcristau> yeah he filed bugs.debian.org/581524 when merging it
[16:55] <Sarvatt> i'm really not sure but I dont imagine so, he merged libx11 because at least 10 packages were in depwait for it :D
[16:55] <tjaalton> heh, ok
[16:55] <tjaalton> but at least I've been asking for it :)
[16:56] <tjaalton> to make preseeded installs prettier :)
[16:56] <jcristau> :)
[16:56] <jcristau> Sarvatt: dep-wait on new libx11? weird.
[16:59] <Sarvatt> yeah everything that was in depwait for libx11 1.3.3-2 is now in depwait for libxext :D
[16:59] <tjaalton> the installer components maybe?
[16:59] <tjaalton> so if he didn't create a delta there then we should see an Xified d-i for maverick
[17:01] <jcristau> ah right cairo and friends had bumped build-deps for the udebs
[17:05] <Sarvatt> everything building udebs for the new d-i had the build deps bumped on the versions also building udebs it looked like, made building all of the libs on xorg-edgers tricky since theres no automatic rebuilds there for depwait :)
[17:07] <Sarvatt> helped though since its a pain in the butt building all the libs in the right order and making sure they're published before uploading the next anyway
[17:29] <Alexia_Death> Can anybody tell me what has happened to org.x.config dbus interface?
[17:29] <tjaalton> gone
[17:29] <Alexia_Death> Why?
[17:29] <Alexia_Death> Wnd what replaces it?
[17:30] <Alexia_Death> It was the only way I could load a separate wacom device for each of my pens.
[17:30] <tjaalton> wacom hotplug has been working without it for some time
[17:30] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Hotplug yes, but it does not let me have more than 3 devices per tablet.
[17:31] <tjaalton> why not?
[17:31] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: my 4 intos pens can provide 8 devices.
[17:32] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Can you provide me a link that tells me how to configure tools identified by tool id?
[17:32] <tjaalton> man xorg.conf
[17:32] <tjaalton> search for InputClass
[17:33] <tjaalton> should do what you want
[17:36] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Thanks. Will look into it. But if it does not, I will be back to complain, because I really need the hotplug per pen. 3 devices per tablet just dont do it.
[17:36] <tjaalton> then you build your own xserver
[17:37] <tjaalton> or fix the driver
[17:38] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton:  is the option to build the dbus interface still there?
[17:38] <tjaalton> seems to be
[17:38] <Alexia_Death> ok. I havent been following X development lately :P
[17:38] <tjaalton> me neither, but this is what i know
[17:39] <Alexia_Death> Sucks tho if I have to go back to the same trick I did in intrepid.
[17:39] <jcristau> the option is still there, but you get to choose between that and udev.
[17:39] <Sarvatt> dbus requires hal, dont think you can use it with udev
[17:39] <Sarvatt> yeah what he said :D
[17:40] <Alexia_Death> sigh... I KNEW there was going to be trouble with this.
[17:41] <Alexia_Death> Any explaining links on the InputClass thing?
[17:42] <tjaalton> http://who-t.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-configuration-world-order.html
[17:42] <Sarvatt> man xorg.conf really does explain it well but this is good too - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration
[17:43] <Alexia_Death> Ok, thanks.
[17:43] <Alexia_Death> Wacom is still packaged on its own for X and installs stuff for its own use, right?
[17:44] <Sarvatt> i'm not quite sure what you are doing but /lib/udev/rules.d/69-xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules might be worth looking at too
[17:45] <tjaalton> not really :)
[17:45] <tjaalton> the links are pretty much useless these days
[17:45] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: I have a wacom intuos tablet and 4 pens. They provide 8 devices in total. I want X to understand that.
[17:47] <Sarvatt> so you want each stylus device to have different settings?
[17:49] <Alexia_Death> yep
[17:50] <Sarvatt> you could do that before? it could tell which stylus you were using when you switched automatically?
[17:50] <Alexia_Death> Yep
[17:50] <Alexia_Death> Its a driver feature.
[17:50] <Alexia_Death> I load an instance per my device with tool ID set.
[17:51] <Alexia_Death> Then, events come from the device with the matching tool id.
[17:51] <Sarvatt> thats why I was thinking you might need to edit the udev rules since i think it only makes 1 stylus device per tablet now
[17:51] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: I used to do this through the dbus interface.
[17:51] <tjaalton> the udev rules don't create them
[17:51] <Alexia_Death> What does?
[17:52] <tjaalton> xorg.conf.d snippet
[17:52] <tjaalton> well no
[17:52] <tjaalton> the driver does
[17:52] <tjaalton> when it loads
[17:52] <Alexia_Death> ?
[17:52] <tjaalton> detects the model and creates what it supports by default
[17:53] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Theres no way for me to configure N devices with tool ID-s then!
[17:53] <tjaalton> well how did it work with dbus?
[17:53] <tjaalton> if udev knows about the devices then surely you can
[17:53] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: I called AddDevice for each device I wanted cerated.
[17:54] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Udev cant know about the pens.
[17:54] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Theres ever just one at a time in the range.
[17:54] <tjaalton> then raise the issue on linuxwacom-devel
[17:54] <Alexia_Death> Sigh.
[17:55] <Alexia_Death> It worked perfectly for me in karmic and now people have forgotten about this usecase AGAIN.
[17:55] <Sarvatt> i was thinking there may be a way to create the 4 pen devices in the udev rule, then assign them in the xorg.conf somehow
[17:55] <tjaalton> there's no way to turn that on
[17:55] <tjaalton> dbus support that is
[17:55] <tjaalton> so you're screwed anyway
[17:56] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576136
[17:56] <Alexia_Death> no, but something needs to be provided for this usecase.
[17:56] <Alexia_Death> I know this guy.
[17:56] <Alexia_Death> I wasnt aware it was this bad on the X side tho.
[17:57] <tjaalton> so the logical step is to raise the issue on the devel list, no?
[17:57] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: I will, no worries about that. I need to have this working.
[17:57] <jcristau> if the 2 people who use that just complain 6 months after stuff gets done, you're not going to see stuff improve
[17:57] <Sarvatt> yeah bringing it up on linuxwacom-devel would be the best step for sure if you wouldn't mind
[17:57] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: why do you know udev can't handle it
[17:57] <tjaalton> ?
[17:58] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Becase I know how it works.
[17:58] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: the device IDs need to be read before they can be used from a fully configured device.
[17:58] <Alexia_Death> only driver can do that.
[17:58] <jcristau> read from where?
[17:59] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: Its a code the pen provides with its data.
[17:59] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: And I would have complained sooner had I known it was going to get all broken again. Like I said, all worked in karmic.
[18:00] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: so the driver reads events from the tablet, and gets the code from there?  what prevents it from creating a device for that pen at that point?
[18:00] <jcristau> (besides "events are read in the signal handler, and creating a device is not signal safe")
[18:01] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: I dont know. May be it is possible.
[18:01] <jcristau> may be easier to have an xorg.conf option to list the pens you want to use
[18:02] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: I want them hotpluggaable.
[18:02] <jcristau> ok
[18:02] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: its a laptop
[18:02] <Alexia_Death> Cant runna round with my intuos permanelty connected.
[18:02] <jcristau> err.
[18:02] <Sarvatt> so with how you had it before, you didn't specific specifically that there were going to be 4 pen devices? you could add a 5th and it would pick the default settings for it?
[18:02] <jcristau> not sure what you mean
[18:02] <tjaalton> that's why you use InputClass
[18:03] <Sarvatt> the new pens wont be new devices to udev to get picked up by InputClass though?
[18:03] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: ? I read the section and I cant say how it covers my usecase.
[18:03] <jcristau> Sarvatt: no
[18:03] <Sarvatt> yeah saying why I think that wont work
[18:03] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: if you can configure it in xorg.conf, then you are able to do it in a hotpluggy fashion
[18:04] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: if the driver had, say, Option "number of pens" "10", then it could create 10 devices for your pens when the tablet was hotplugged, and then use that.  would that work for you?
[18:04] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: no. Each pen is specific and has an ID. Some of them have an eraser, some of them dont.
[18:05] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: have you even tried lucid?
[18:05] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Im typing this from lucid
[18:05] <tjaalton> ah, k
[18:05] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: not sure what that means..
[18:05] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: did a clean install today.
[18:05] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: pretend i've never seen a tablet
[18:06] <Sarvatt> the driver itself creates the eraser device so that should be ok
[18:06] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: Most wacom pens have two ends, stylus, and eraser. For X they are separate devices.
[18:06] <tjaalton> for the driver
[18:06] <tjaalton> not x
[18:06] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: and the driver can't recognize whether something is stylus or eraser when it gets events?
[18:07] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: High end tablets support a Tool Id on each pen and driver supports or used to support several pens as independent devices.
[18:07] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: yes.
[18:07] <Sarvatt> Alexia_Death: do you know if I can use a graphire pen with an intuos to test this?
[18:07] <Sarvatt> i have an intuos 3 and a few graphires
[18:07] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: No. you need an intuos or cintiq for this.
[18:07] <tjaalton> so who's going to buy me another pen for the intuos4 :)
[18:07] <Sarvatt> only 1 intuos pen though
[18:07] <Sarvatt> lol
[18:08] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: and atleast 2 pens.
[18:08] <tjaalton> the airbrush looks nice
[18:08] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Get an artpen. Then you get the full pain. 100€
[18:08] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: they all are normal pens?
[18:08] <tjaalton> that you have
[18:08] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: No, I have 2 normals, an arpen and an airbrush.
[18:09] <tjaalton> i mean the driver should know what they are, at least the kernel driver has something about it
[18:09] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: got a full set for gimp development/testing but I hneed the stack underneath to work for that:P
[18:09] <tjaalton> maybe it's just that hotplug doesn't work
[18:09] <tjaalton> yet
[18:09] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: As far as i know, artpen/arbrush are somehow diefferent from normals but IIRC not frm each other.
[18:10] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Problem is the multiple pen hotplug et all.
[18:11] <Sarvatt> do we even need the wacom udev rule?
[18:12] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: for serial devices yes
[18:12] <Sarvatt> ah yeah
[18:12] <tjaalton> but other than that no
[18:13] <tjaalton> ron knows about it, and probably will clean it up later
[18:13] <Sarvatt> ah wait yeah, I couldn't use wacom without an input/whatever symlink it recognized last time i tried
[18:14] <tjaalton> then your conf is wrong ;)
[18:14] <tjaalton> and looking for the path
[18:16] <Sarvatt> this was back in january before the xorg.conf.d stuff anyway
[18:16] <tjaalton> ok
[18:19] <tjaalton> so mesa won't build due to libdrm being too old
[18:19] <tjaalton> but uploading libdrm would break nouveau?
[18:19] <tjaalton> mesa merge pushed
[18:20] <tjaalton> in a minute..
[18:20] <jcristau> nouveau is broken by new kernel anyway aiui
[18:20] <tjaalton> ah right
[18:21] <Sarvatt> Alexia_Death: it looks like you can add the 4 stylii to xorg.conf and seperate them by serial number?
[18:22] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: Yes. but I need hotplug
[18:22] <tjaalton> it basically still is
[18:22] <Alexia_Death> ?
[18:22] <Sarvatt> I know it sucks, but why couldn't you just create all 4 in the xorg.conf?
[18:23] <tjaalton> you plug in the tablet, and it'll use the settings when the pen is in vicinity?
[18:23] <Sarvatt> they should work on the fly switching them if you did
[18:23] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: Its a laptop. I dont want to restart X when I plug in the intuos.
[18:23] <tjaalton> ...
[18:23] <Alexia_Death> and keeping it connected at all times is not anoption.
[18:23] <Sarvatt> you wouldn't have to, just define all 4 pens once and they should work on the fly whenever you used them
[18:24] <Alexia_Death> Sarvatt: sure about that?
[18:24] <tjaalton> of course
[18:24] <tjaalton> that's the point of inputclass
[18:24] <Sarvatt> Option "DebugLevel" "6" to the wacom rule, then grep your Xorg.0.log for serial_num t for the serial
[18:25] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Uh? Inputclas?
[18:25] <tjaalton> well, one of them anyway
[18:25] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: read the blog or wiki links we gave you
[18:25] <Sarvatt> and have Option     "Serial"    "whatever" in each stylus device section and give them unique names
[18:25] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: reading as I go-
[18:26] <jcristau> Sarvatt: inputclass doesn't let you create more than one device per kernel device though, i think
[18:26] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: But from what I see, the input class does not allow me to add four devices.
[18:26] <jcristau> Sarvatt: so that would require driver options to tell it how many pens to create and their parameters and stuff
[18:26] <jcristau> (maybe that already exists, i know nothing of wacom)
[18:26] <tjaalton> ok, so back to the driver
[18:26] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: exactly what I understood.
[18:27] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: yes. so Im going to bother whot about this.
[18:27] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: on the list preferably
[18:27] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: I suspect the driver will end up with options where you can list any ID-s you need added.
[18:28] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: Im not subscribet to that list.
[18:28] <Alexia_Death> tjaalton: only the user one.
[18:28] <jcristau> listing the IDs in the config is kind of lame though
[18:28] <tjaalton> Alexia_Death: if the driver has a way to know the devices it can handle, it should be doable to make it hotpluggable
[18:28] <jcristau> would be better to have something more dynamic
[18:28] <tjaalton> i'm certain that it can be done
[18:28] <Alexia_Death> Im not.
[18:29] <Alexia_Death> As a user I may not want any outospawning of a new device.
[18:30] <Bernardo> hi
[18:30] <Alexia_Death> A device that a) I havent named and b) I havent configured in gimp etc so it wont auto-work as extended.
[18:30] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: what did you want to sync btw?
[18:31] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: that's fine, if you get a new X device that lets gimp know about it so you can name/configure it
[18:31] <jcristau> and client policy can disable unknown new devices
[18:31] <Sarvatt> tjaalton: http://sarvatt.com/downloads/libdrm/
[18:31] <Sarvatt> oh sync, pixman
[18:32] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: no need to file a bug about it, I can sync it too
[18:32] <Sarvatt> pretty significant arm speedups in the latest pixman stable compared to 0.16.4
[18:33] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: its disrupting to the workflow. and at least for now, hoplugged devices require a reastart on GTK side to appear.
[18:33] <Sarvatt> the ubuntu delta in pixman can be dropped
[18:33] <Sarvatt> its upstream now
[18:33] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: that'd be a gtk bug..
[18:33] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: its a lack of feature.
[18:33] <jcristau> whatever :)
[18:34] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: theresa branch that teis to remedy it. But its far feom stable.
[18:34] <jcristau> still, should be easy enough to have a session daemon disable unknown new wacom devices
[18:35] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: I fail to see the point of this.
[18:35] <Alexia_Death> It jsut makes my tablet/pen not working.
[18:35] <jcristau> how so?
[18:35] <Alexia_Death> disable means not functional, no?
[18:35] <jcristau> you said you didn't want unknown devices enabled before you configure them
[18:35] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: so we don't need any Breaks for libdrm or so?
[18:36] <jcristau> tjaalton: breaks on old xserver-xorg-video-nouveau would make sense imo
[18:36] <tjaalton> jcristau: yep, read the thread on debian-x
[18:36] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: what I meant was, that having to configure mid work is distracting. If you hold the pen, disabling it to configure just does not make sense.
[18:37] <jcristau> you're adding new pens mid work?
[18:37] <jcristau> if not then i don't understand the 'distracting' point
[18:37] <Alexia_Death> I might, if I have a pen I havent used before.
[18:38] <Alexia_Death> I have four pens. If I dont explicity configure them in one go, it may be that I grab a new pen.
[18:38] <jcristau> hmm not sure i understand.  you said you don't want new pens enabled before you can name/configure them.  then you say you want to be able to add a new pen mid work, but not have to configure it.
[18:38] <Sarvatt> shouldn't the kernel have breaks too in that case?
[18:39] <jcristau> Sarvatt: the kernel shouldn't break userspace ABI...
[18:39] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: I think i cant explain it properly.
[18:39] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: maybe i'm just slow :)
[18:40] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: Reality is, that I will have to show each device I plan to use to the tablet before starting gimp If I cant explicitly configure them.
[18:41] <Sarvatt> well libdrm breaks x-x-v-nouveau which needs a rebuild against it, 2.6.34 breaks libdrm/x-x-v-nouveau but 2.6.33 still works with the older libdrm/nouveau, the new libdrm doesn't work with 2.6.33 based kernels, such a mess
[18:41] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: tablet does not know anything about a pen untill it starts sending data.
[18:41] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: that's because gtk can't handle devices appearing after it's started, right?
[18:42] <Alexia_Death> jcristau: yes. And I dont expect it to be fixed in next 6 months, maybe more.
[18:42] <jcristau> okay
[18:42] <tjaalton> Sarvatt: and the default on maverick is still .32
[18:42] <jcristau> Alexia_Death: i think i'm starting to understand :)
[18:42] <Alexia_Death> :)
[18:42] <Sarvatt> i got upgraded to .34 a few days ago
[18:42] <tjaalton> oh
[18:42] <tjaalton> that's good
[18:43] <Sarvatt> they uploaded the meta before the kernel even built, pointed at one that failed
[18:43] <jcristau> Sarvatt: package dependencies can't really express userspace/kernel abi issues.  since you can have more than one kernel installed, e.g.
[18:43] <tjaalton> so nouveau is broken anyway
[18:43] <tjaalton> I'll just upload then :)
[18:43] <Sarvatt> yeah I was just thinking out loud and realized that after
[18:44] <tjaalton> though if there are people on .32 because of that..
[18:44] <Sarvatt> there's more abi thats not even tracked in libdrm for nouveau in the form of nouveau_class.h..
[18:44] <tjaalton> won't help them anyway
[18:44] <Sarvatt> at least thats gone post 2.4.20
[18:45] <Sarvatt> but the ddx needs an update to build against 2.4.20, or just updated past when the ddx started shipping nouveau_class.h and ignoring libdrm altogether
[18:46] <Sarvatt> i put both in x-updates for people trying to use the lucid kernel a few days ago
[18:46] <Sarvatt> err maverick kernel
[18:48] <tjaalton> ok, libdrm uploaded
[18:51] <tjaalton> Exception: apt-cache madison does not contain pixman/maverick
[18:51] <tjaalton> meh
[18:53] <Sarvatt> thanks tjaalton, I need stuff to add to a MOTU application :)
[18:53] <Sarvatt> hmm
[18:54] <Sarvatt> maybe because it was copied over from lucid?
[18:55] <jcristau> or missing deb-src maverick in sources.list?
[18:56] <Sarvatt> apt-cache madison pixman
[18:56] <Sarvatt>     pixman | 0.16.4-1ubuntu2 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick/main Sources
[18:56] <tjaalton> it was an older version, the one from bzr works
[18:56] <Sarvatt> does /maverick work with apt-cache madison?
[18:57] <tjaalton> no
[18:57] <tjaalton> but it does something different now I guess
[18:57] <tjaalton> at least not on lucid
[19:10] <Sarvatt> xorg-server looks fine to me so far, building it now
[19:12] <Sarvatt> ricotz: did you see that I built that nouveau mesa branch that you wanted? https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/nouveau
 ./auto-xorg-git -H hooks -g -d origin/ubuntu -t "~" -p mesa -a 0ubuntu0ricotz -b nvfx-next-6b then control-z at the patching pause, delete debian/ and replace with the one from git://sarvatt.com/mesa.git, fg then continue
[19:14] <tjaalton> synced x11-apps too
[19:16] <Sarvatt> yay new xeyes
[19:16] <jcristau> not even that
[19:16] <jcristau> just packaging changes
[19:16] <jcristau> oh, no, i'm on crack
[19:17] <jcristau> new xeyes and xlogo indeed
[19:21] <Sarvatt> what are we doing with nouveau now that debian is doing it with a sane build system? :D could just merge that too, the bgnr patch is the only change needed
[19:23] <ricotz> Sarvatt, thank you, i have tested it some time ago and this branch solves some problems with my nv49, but it is pretty much outdated, perhaps a merge with master branch is possible somehow
[19:23] <tjaalton> but we need a new snapshot too
[19:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, i have started looking at it, but it seems to be diverged a lot
[19:24] <jcristau> sven has a newer snapshot on alioth, ~joachim-guest/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[19:27] <corrado> Hi somebody can help me?
[19:29] <corrado> up
[19:31] <corrado> What information should I collect to submit a bug in the X server?
[19:32] <Sarvatt> compile keymap patch failed - http://paste.ubuntu.com/434496/
[19:32] <Sarvatt> corrado: ubuntu-bug xorg
[19:33] <Sarvatt> it'll attach all of the logs for you, there are quite a few that are really needed
[19:34] <corrado> Let me see whether I understand
[19:35] <corrado> I reproduce the crash, go into a console and give that command?
[19:36] <Sarvatt> yeah, reproduce the crash, then restart X and run it and it'll attach all the logs including the old ones from the time the crash happened
[19:37] <corrado> I also could log in from another computer by ssh
[19:37] <corrado> what the best of both procedures
[19:37] <corrado> ?
[19:42] <Sarvatt> up to you, I'm unsure what kind of crash you are getting
[19:43] <Sarvatt> is X restarting automatically after it crashes?
[19:43] <Sarvatt> or is it hanging?
[19:46] <Sarvatt> Missing build dependencies: libxfont-dev (>= 1:1.4.1-2) -- amd64 buildd only dep wait for xorg-server
[19:47] <Sarvatt> libxfont failed to build on everything but i386 - The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:47] <Sarvatt>   lynx: Depends: lynx-cur (>= 2.8.8dev.3-3) but it is not going to be installed
[19:48] <jcristau> hmm
[19:48] <jcristau>   lynx-cur | 2.8.8dev.3-3 |      maverick | source, amd64, i386
[19:48] <corrado> Sarvatt: it does not automatically restart
[19:50] <Sarvatt> amd64 hadn't built yet when it tried to build, they were synced at the same time
[19:50] <jcristau> ok
[19:50] <Sarvatt> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfont -- can anyone retry those? :D
[19:53] <Sarvatt> looks like the virtual lynx package it depends on had been published but the lynx-cur package it points to hadn't been built on the other arches when it tried to build
[19:56] <Sarvatt> i386 built a day later than the other arches and built fine
[19:57] <jcristau> lynx is arch:all
[19:58] <jcristau> and depends on lynx-cur (>= current-version), which is kinda stupid
[20:09] <Sarvatt> jcristau: am I crazy or did you make doc before building xorg-server_1.8.1.orig.tar.gz ?
[20:10] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/434515/
[20:11] <jcristau> Sarvatt: should be the same as the upstream tarball, with README.DRI removed.
[20:11] <jcristau> so no, i did not make doc
[20:16] <Sarvatt> -rw-r--r-- 1 robert robert 6.7M 2010-05-12 12:47 xorg-server_1.8.1.orig.tar.gz
[20:16] <Sarvatt> -rw-r--r-- 1 robert robert 4.5M 2010-05-16 15:15 xorg-server-1.8.1.tar.gz
[20:18] <jcristau> weird
[20:19] <ricotz> Sarvatt, a tarball is created with "make dist" or "make distcheck"
[20:20] <jcristau> Sarvatt: xorg-server-1.8.1.tar.gz on annarchy is 6.7M
[20:21] <Sarvatt> ah silly me, I grabbed it from the cgit :)
[20:22] <Sarvatt> ah good 190_cache-xkbcomp_output_for_fast_start_up.patch was a simple fix
[20:25] <jcristau> s/False/FALSE/;s/True/TRUE/ ? :)
[20:25] <Sarvatt> 164_trap-aspect-ratios.patch causes a build failure too
[20:25] <Sarvatt> yep :)
[20:25] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/434524/
[20:27] <tjaalton> yeah those didn't apply, so I "fixed" them
[20:28] <tjaalton> afk->
[21:49] <tjaalton> patch 164 was taken from the list over a year ago, and never saw any review to be accepted. the code got changed since (CEA extension support), so I'd say drop it
[22:09] <jcristau> 0660dd9d7009147c395b9ea904539f76f55b9a7f and bd9c6b3a4d726a3f83ac6d8cf7211eddbc28f25a should have covered the aspect ratio thingy i thought
[22:22] <Sarvatt> darn no estimated build times - https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxfont/1:1.4.1-2/+build/1728061
[22:27] <Sarvatt> I'm not sure 15-nouveau.diff is the way to go, nouveau does bind to some of those devices and defaulting them to vesa or nv wont work?
[22:29] <bryceh> heya Sarvatt
[22:29] <Sarvatt> heyo bryceh!
[22:30] <Sarvatt> then again fedora does it that way picking vesa or nv for them still so maybe I'm wrong :D
[22:30] <jcristau> Sarvatt: in that case they'll get fbdev
[22:30] <jcristau> since vesa or nv will bail if they see kms enabled
[22:31] <Sarvatt> true, why not just break instead of adding another vesa to the pool for 0008 and 0009 i wonder though
[22:32] <jcristau> yeah that's useless
[22:33] <jcristau> i just took the patch directly from fedora cvs :)
[22:36] <Sarvatt> thats odd, ppa build keeps dying - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/48573675/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.xorg-server_2:1.8.1-1ubuntu1~testing3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:36] <Sarvatt> just on the PPA doesn't happen locally
[22:36] <Sarvatt> >stampdir/configure-main
[22:36] <Sarvatt> rm stampdir/configure-main
[22:36] <Sarvatt> dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
[22:51] <Sarvatt> hmm slightly different build process
[22:51] <Sarvatt> >stampdir/autoreconf
[22:51] <Sarvatt> dh_testdir
[22:51] <Sarvatt> mkdir -p build-main
[22:51] <Sarvatt> cd build-main && \
[22:51] <Sarvatt> 	../configure \
[22:51] <Sarvatt> ^ working one
[22:51] <Sarvatt> >stampdir/autoreconf
[22:51] <Sarvatt> dh_testdir
[22:51] <Sarvatt> mkdir -p build-main
[22:51] <Sarvatt> dh_testdir
[22:51] <Sarvatt> cd build-main && \
[22:51] <Sarvatt> ^ ppa
[22:52] <Sarvatt> ah ppa tries to build both udeb and main at the same time and fails
[22:52] <Sarvatt> locally it doesn't
[22:56] <Sarvatt> trying with parallel enabled locally to see if it fails too
[22:57] <Sarvatt> yep same failure locally with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=2"
[23:06] <Sarvatt> debian experimental builds fine in parallel, hmmm
[23:33] <Sarvatt> i'm stumped as to why origin/ubuntu can't build in parallel and origin/debian-experimental can
[23:35] <Sarvatt> origin/ubuntu is trying to remove stampdir/configure-main and debian-experimental doesn't
[23:43] <jcristau> Sarvatt: the error is configure: error: cannot build Security extension without X-ACE
[23:44] <jcristau> from the build log url you gave above anyway
[23:44] <Sarvatt> ahhh no wonder, totally missed that, it was removing it because of the configure failure gotcha
[23:51] <Sarvatt> so non parallel would have failed eventually too if i let it keep going to where it built the udeb package thats trying to --enable-xcsecurity with --disable-xace
[23:51] <jcristau> likely, yes