[01:21] <VousDeux> Assid, okay, maybe it's one of those situations where some update has broken something that will be fixed next update
[01:21] <filthpig> Assid, sounds weird, ipw2200 has been supported for ages
[01:22] <filthpig> Assid, it's a very common card, have you checked the launchpad for bug reports?
[01:22] <VousDeux> Assid, I wish I could be more helpful, but I'm not an expert...what you were describing just sounded familiar, so I thought maybe I could just toss out a couple of ideas and maybe something would ring a bell
[01:23] <Assid> okay wait.. apparently it catches it..
[01:23] <Assid> BUT.. it doesnt let me get onto the network
[01:24] <Assid> filthpig: 2100
[01:24] <filthpig> Assid, what does sudo iwconfig show you?
[01:24] <savvas> It shows me I need a wireless router :)
[01:24] <uga> bascule: not sure what you mean... you want to set the top level directory? it's in the settings?
[01:25] <uga> bascule: not sure if it does recursing though
[01:25] <sinX_> where's the default html home page file for firefox located?
[01:25] <savvas> um do you know any wireless routers with open source drivers? I'm interested in netgear
[01:26] <bascule> uga: it doesn't seem to, I have all my stuff in artist/album folders, set the top level it shows nothing, realy don't want to add ~900 2 deep folders to that gui :)
[01:26] <savvas> !wifi
[01:26] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:26] <uga> bascule: all mldonkey settings are in settings->configure mldonkey (not kmldonkey)
[01:26] <bascule> ah
[01:27] <uga> I don't see any setting for that though
[01:27] <sinX_> the Ubuntu page that is set as deafult in firefox, anyone know what directory it's in?
[01:28] <filthpig> savvas, Linksys have a few Linux-based routers
[01:29] <Assid> filthpig: okay i got it working
[01:29] <Assid> i have no idea what
[01:29] <Assid> it just started
[01:29] <filthpig> :)
[01:29] <filthpig> nice
[01:29] <shadylookin> has anyone else had problems with the partitioner not working and keeping them from installing the beta?
[01:29] <filthpig> well ubuntu is supposed to "just work", so be happy!
[01:29] <filthpig> :p
[01:29] <bascule> uga: doesn't allow it, guess I'll just do some rarities
[01:30] <filthpig> I guess it just started working for you, then :p
[01:30] <uga> vmlinuz`: weird. I was completely sure that konsole had a way to restore a screen session, but... I can't find the way, heh
[01:30] <VousDeux> I sure would like to know what makes the Power Manager start freaking out all of a sudden...it doesn't matter if I'm plugged or unplugged, it just doesn't seem to be reliable
[01:30] <sinX_>  the Ubuntu page that is set as deafult in firefox, anyone know what directory it's in?
[01:30] <filthpig> Gutsy is the first release that got me wified out-of-the-box
[01:30] <Metasploit> broadcom huh?
[01:31] <uga> bascule: heh
[01:31] <Assid> hrmm
[01:31] <filthpig> Metasploit, talking to me?
[01:31] <Assid> adept package manager wont start
[01:31] <Assid> freaking odd
[01:31] <VousDeux> I'll be sitting here plugged in, when all of a sudden Power Manager will decide that my power has been unplugged, then it will start flopping between plugged and unplugged mode
[01:31] <Metasploit> yea.  just a guessing though
[01:32] <filthpig> Metasploit, I have a linksys, actually. WUSB54GC
[01:32] <jayHat> Will Gobuntu be released the same day as Gusty?
[01:32] <VousDeux> when that happens, all I can do is close the Power Manager, then I cannot adjust the brightness until I reboot and launch Power Manager again
[01:33] <uga> Assid: does it say any error when running adept_manager on a terminal?
[01:33] <VousDeux> when I am unplugged, sometimes will decide my battery is dead when in reality I still have another hour
[01:33] <Metasploit> i mean the card on your computer.  everyone at work has been waiting for gutsy for the broadcom support.
[01:33] <Assid> dunno didnt try that
[01:33] <VousDeux> and even when I'm unplugged it can't seem to reliably determine if I'm plugged or not
[01:33] <Assid> but if i run adept updater
[01:33] <Assid> it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
[01:34] <Assid> it shows the laoding.. the icon bouncing up and down
[01:34] <Assid> and then nothing shows up
[01:34] <fluffman> so until I upgraded to Xubuntu Gutsy, anyone on this computer was able to login by clicking their name/face, like in XP.  I know I had to edit something in /etc/pam.d, but I can't find the website from before.
[01:34] <filthpig> Assid, http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1133202177241&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=7724139789B10
[01:34] <VousDeux> !power
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about power - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <filthpig> friggin long url, but that's a good open sourced router from Linksys
[01:35] <fluffman> anyone know how to get password-less logins?
[01:35] <Assid> uga: kdesu adept_updater   -- sudo timestamp too much in future
[01:35] <Assid> wtf ?
[01:35] <Assid> filthpig:  aint changing my router
[01:36] <VousDeux> with each daily update, I keep hoping the Power Manager will be fixed
[01:36] <philip> how often to we sync with debian unstable?
[01:37] <mrcheeks> Hi everybody I have issues with ubuntu gutsy. It's the only distro with debian that dare install on my asus quad core. Everytime I start gnome I need to run metacity --replace& for metacity to run. My driver "intel" still doesn't work with xorg after a recent upgrade. Any ideas?
[01:37] <beerfa1> fluffman: system > admin > login window prefs (security tab)
[01:37] <uga> Assid: ouch!
[01:37] <uga> Assid: you have recently readjusted the time on your system?
[01:38] <Assid> just installed the system
[01:39] <uga> Assid: try sudo -K
[01:39] <uga> it looks like some file was created with a date/time in the future with respect to the date time you have right now
[01:41] <Assid> stupid thing
[01:41] <Assid> it was just online
[01:41] <fluffman> beerfa1: that will enable auto login
[01:41] <Assid> i rebooted.. and now it wotn go back online
[01:41] <fluffman> but not passwordless for multiple users
[01:42] <mrcheeks> any opinions or place I could look for my metacity/xorg issues?
[01:42] <fluffman> well let me try something, brb
[01:42] <wood1> hello guys, when i get compiz to work on gutsy, every 10 to 20 seconds the screen blinks... can someone help me fix this?
[01:43] <VousDeux> Assid, my wifi is flaky too...that's one of the things on my list I have not been able to find help with...mine will be working just fine when suddenly it will drop the connection and I cannot reconnect again until I reboot
[01:44] <patty> well, have you tried modprobing the module?
[01:44] <patty> unloading and then reloading it?
[01:44] <VousDeux> Assid, sometimes I am able to disable/enable the wlan0 interface and it will start working again, but usually I cannot get it to enable after I disable it
[01:44] <savvas> mrcheeks: maybe you could report a bug for the drivers: http://bugs.ubuntu.com - for the metacity thing, try disable compiz: system > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[01:45] <Assid> how do i make it a system connection
[01:45] <Assid> so i dont have to login from network manager?
[01:45] <fluffman> beerfa1: no dice
[01:46] <patty> hey, i've got an emerald question.  is there any way to make the automatic fetching of themes work?  i can't get emerald to load any of the themes i do download, or do pretty much anything else for that matter.  it's pretty good at ignoring everything i tell it
[01:48] <wood1> where can i change the servers i use to download applications?
[01:49] <patty> for example - my text is determined to be white.  i can change it to black, but it does nothing.  other things in the same interfact create noticeable reatcions
[01:49] <VousDeux> wood1, adept or synaptic?
[01:50] <tretle> anyone lse here using gutsy 64bit version
[01:50] <tretle> ?
[01:50] <VousDeux> tretle, I am
[01:50] <tretle> in the places menu is desktop duplicated?
[01:50] <VousDeux> tretle, oh, I'm using Kubuntu
[01:51] <tekhawk> so is it safe for nvidia users on amd64 before i start downloading updates for today lol
[01:51] <james_xxx> i am running into some problems upgrading to gutsy.... things seem right now to be hanging up while trying to install'guidance-backends'... saying that it has a problem with a 'broken pipe'... any suggestions?
[01:51] <usser> tekhawk: yep
[01:51] <usser> tekhawk: it works now
[01:51] <tekhawk> usser: thank you
[01:52] <VousDeux> I have a 32-bit version of Ubuntu in VMware, but I still need to recompile VMware since the recent kernel update
[01:52] <VousDeux> tekhawk, as far as I know, all of the issues were resolved this morning
[01:52] <tretle> can anyone clarify this bug?
[01:52] <Konam> the gnome splash isn't working here, is only me?
[01:53] <tekhawk> VousDeux: thank you
[01:54] <VousDeux> does anyone have any ideas where I could look for help with the Power Manager?
[01:54] <james_xxx> if anyone read my post, here is some of what i am running into: http://pastebin.com/d21e4cd0
[01:56] <VousDeux> I love the wheel on this mouse, it turns free so I can give it a good flick and it will keep turning for a little while
[01:57] <james_xxx> :-(
[01:58] <savvas> james_xxx: looks like file conflict or something
[01:59] <VousDeux> !help
[01:59] <savvas>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/apps/guidance/vesamodes', which is also in package kde-guidance
[01:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:59] <VousDeux> is there a site more directly associated with Gutsy than help.ubuntu.com?
[02:00] <savvas> wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:00] <savvas> ubuntuforums.org
[02:00] <savvas> launchpad.net ;)
[02:01] <james_xxx> savvas: would you have a suggestion what i coud do?
[02:02] <savvas> james_xxx: doesn't kde-guidance help you with that?
[02:02] <james_xxx> sawas
[02:03] <james_xxx> sawas: what do you mean? installing kde-guidance?
[02:03] <savvas> I'd say you already have it :)
[02:03] <savvas> try it
[02:03] <james_xxx> i know..... how does it help?
[02:03] <savvas> sudo apt-get install kde-guidance
[02:03] <savvas> no idea
[02:03] <savvas> what are you trying to do?
[02:04] <james_xxx> well, i think kde-guidance depends on guidance-backends which will not install
[02:04] <savvas> you have KDE right?
[02:04] <james_xxx> i am trying to upgrade to gutsy beta
[02:04] <savvas> kubuntu/ubuntu?
[02:04] <james_xxx> kubunt
[02:04] <james_xxx> kubuntu*
[02:05] <savvas> guidance-backends
[02:05] <savvas> Conflicts: python2.4-iconvcodec, guidance-backends (<< 0.8.0svn20070727-0ubuntu4), kde-guidance-powermanager (<< 0.8.0-1ubuntu6)
[02:05] <savvas>   Installed: 0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu4
[02:05] <savvas> hah
[02:05] <savvas> weird
[02:06] <savvas> james_xxx: I'd suggest that you file a bug at http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[02:06] <Ximal> Help Please , I need to get the system to redetect my nvidia card. It suggested which driver to use upon boot after installation but I hadn't run the initial patch phase of the system that you normally get after installing gutsy
[02:06] <savvas> there is a temporary way to go through, but it's risky, it could break a lot of stuff
[02:06] <james_xxx> i can do that, but it probably means that this install is now trashed
[02:06] <Ximal> would anyone mind telling me how ? I found the nvidia install packages using add/remove but I don't want to install the wrong one.. last time my vid card burned out on me
[02:07] <savvas> james_xxx: try: sudo apt-get remove kde-guidance
[02:07] <savvas> it could do the trick
[02:07] <Ximal> anyone please ?
[02:07] <james_xxx> sawas: will do, brb
[02:08] <savvas> Ximal: system > admin > restricted drivers manager
[02:09] <james_xxx> sawas: http://pastebin.com/d7c5cdc7e
[02:09] <Ximal> savvas : kindly enough put . thank you . I just have a problem navigating what you just told me.. I'm used to windows after not using linux since redhat 6.2
[02:10] <Ximal> it's been over 8 years.. so I'm haven't trouble remembering everything... so maybe you might not mind guiding me to what you just said..
[02:10] <h1st0> Ximal: what kind of video card do you have?
[02:10] <Ximal> nvidia
[02:10] <savvas> Ximal: do you have ubuntu or kubuntu installed?
[02:10] <h1st0> Ximal: He was saying to click on System then Administration then Restricted Drivers manager
[02:10] <Ximal> but it did a pop up.. ubuntu when i did initial boot..
[02:10] <Ximal> showing me WHICH driver to use rather than making me guess... meaning they've added support for my 3d part
[02:11] <Ximal> ahh
[02:11] <Ximal> i think i got it using savvas' advice
[02:11] <Ximal> 1 moment please guys..
[02:11] <squidy> hello.. does anyone here use Kubuntu gutsy and compiz-fusion successfully?
[02:11] <Ximal> it says it's downloading the package files now
[02:11] <savvas> take ur time :)
[02:11] <h1st0> Ximal: you should be good to go after restarting gui
[02:12] <squidy> i'm having an error message when i try to run compiz --replace.. :(
[02:12] <Ximal> i owe you guys.. which means once i become more versed.. i'll help too ;)
[02:12] <Ximal> going to reboot
[02:12] <Ximal> may be back afterwords..
[02:12] <Ximal> thanks guys
[02:12] <squidy> however when i was using feisty it was working
[02:13] <savvas> james_xxx: want to try the risky way?
[02:13] <clusty> any advice on how to start diagnosing whats wrong with my suspend?
[02:14] <james_xxx> sawas: what does it matter. right now this system is trsh
[02:14] <james_xxx> trash*
[02:14] <savvas> james_xxx: it'd be better if you report the bug and wait to be more sure if you ask me, but anyway
[02:14] <savvas> james_xxx: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[02:16] <h1st0> clusty: is it a laptop?
[02:16] <h1st0> clusty: typically you would start looking in /var/log/syslog etc...
[02:16] <james_xxx> sawas: i am backing up my home dir, then i will give it a shot
[02:16] <DanaG> bug 121833
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[02:16] <DanaG> yeeargh!
[02:17] <clusty> h1st0, yeap. laptop
[02:17] <savvas> james_xxx: go ahead, smart move :)
[02:17] <h1st0> clusty: you may want to check the bugs on launchpad I saw someone in the forums complaining about suspend
[02:18] <clusty> h1st0, its a one year old laptop or so
[02:18] <clusty> manufactured
[02:18] <DanaG> I have nvidia; I had to disable POST and enable SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE
[02:18] <clusty> h1st0, it does not even fall alseep
[02:18] <clusty> using gutsy though :(
[02:19] <savvas> clusty: did it work in feisty?
[02:19] <DanaG> Oddly enough, suspend now works better in Linux than in Windows.
[02:19] <clusty> savvas, never had feisty with this laptop
[02:20] <clusty> savvas, works for a buddy that is on feisty
[02:20] <clusty> savvas, almost same hardware
[02:20] <Ximal> hi guys
[02:20] <Ximal> thanks
[02:20] <savvas> that some hardware might cause the problem clusty
[02:21] <clusty> savvas, laptop has intel 950 and nvidia card. tried both
[02:21] <clusty> savvas, in the past cards were causing trouble
[02:21] <Ximal> no big errors yet... is there anyway to install a vob reader ? I use my windows to decrypt vob files off of my movies but i can't get them to play in buntu ? any idea(s) ?
[02:21] <Ximal> I was also curious how to install a flash player for firefox in ubtunu ?
[02:21] <clusty> Ximal, mplayer not working with vobs?
[02:21] <Ximal> narh... not yet m8..
[02:22] <Ximal> But it's a decrypted file from the Condemned movie..
[02:22] <clusty> Ximal, try vlc then
[02:22] <Ximal> vlc ?
[02:22] <clusty> video lan codec
[02:22] <usser> !vlc > Ximal
[02:22] <usser> arrg
[02:22] <usser> !vlc
[02:22] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs
[02:22] <clusty> or some stuff like that
[02:22] <Ximal> ok but i don't know how to get the VLC player.. i can't find it in ADD/Remove ?
[02:23] <usser> Ximal: yes
[02:23] <ratpoison> ximal, you can!
[02:23] <Ximal> what division of things would it be under in add remove ?
[02:23] <usser> yes u can
[02:23] <savvas> Ximal: about the flash player, did you install the desktop using i386 or amd64 iso ?
[02:23] <DanaG> Wait, a laptop that has both Intel and NVIDIA? Where do you find such a thing?
[02:23] <Ximal> savvas : just pentium generics  .. It's a dell pc with a pentium capable of multithreading
[02:23] <ratpoison> Ximal: just type vlc on the search bar
[02:24] <savvas> ratpoison: did you fix that graphics problem? :)
[02:24] <clusty> DanaG, sony makes em
[02:24] <Ximal> There is no matching application available.
[02:24] <Ximal> To broaden your search, choose "All available applications" or "All Open Source applications".
[02:24] <clusty> :D
[02:24] <Ximal> that's what i got
[02:24] <clusty> DanaG, you can flip a switch and at boottime you can choose what you want
[02:24] <ratpoison> savvas: well I did :) it was just as the ubotu said: if you update your kernel you have to tell the new kernel that you have restricted drivers
[02:25] <Ximal> nm... found it i think
[02:25] <Ximal> brb
[02:25] <clusty> is this some elite chanell btw? :D
[02:25] <mirak> hi
[02:25] <ratpoison> so I unchecked / checked the box on restricted drivers manager and then everything was working ok
[02:25] <clusty> cause its way less traffic
[02:25] <clusty> and ppl are more helpfull
[02:25] <Ximal> curious guys... Does Dvd95 actually convert files from a video_ts folder into a iso file to burn as a dvd ? just a quick curiousity
[02:25] <clusty> :D
[02:25] <vmlinuz`> anybody here uses Banshee?
[02:26] <mirak> why sudo doens't have a vista style acces grant ?
[02:26] <mirak> as a possibility
[02:26] <clusty> vmlinuz`, i am trying to bear with banshee
[02:26] <savvas> Ximal: go to the menu: system > admininistration > software sources and there check these: (main) (universe) (multiverse) (restricted) and press "close"
[02:26] <ratpoison> mirak: what do you mean? I've never used vista
[02:26] <vmlinuz`> clusty: when its in system tray, and i put my mousehover on it and use scroll.. it switches songs.. i want scroll to change volume.. searched everywhere and didnt find how to modify that. do u know?
[02:27] <savvas> Ximal: this is to get more applications available, somehow the main repository doesn't have all of them :)
[02:27] <mirak> ratpoison: instead of having to enter your password a popup comes and just ask you if you want to execute the command as root
[02:27] <mirak> I am fed up entering my password
[02:27] <clusty> vmlinuz`, no idea :D/ so far i am fighting with it to play all my mp3's
[02:27] <clusty> vmlinuz`, from time to time it just hangs on certain mp3's
[02:27] <mirak> and I don't want to put my sudo always passwordless
[02:27] <Ximal> ahh .. and savvas those options were generically selected
[02:27] <savvas> ratpoison: sometimes the obvious solutions work better :P
[02:28] <savvas> great Ximal, didn't know :)
[02:28] <Ximal> it seems the nvidia is working because... the screen is working faster.. I'll know just how good the driver is momentarily ;) whenever i play the video file using the ntfs partition from windows.. ( chose dual boot install and converted extra space left from the hd to install buntu () :)
[02:28] <savvas> clusty: what player?
[02:28] <clusty> savvas, banshee
[02:29] <mirak> why there is not a version of nautilus with tracker integrated as search engine ?
[02:29] <vmlinuz`> clusty: hangs? Thats weird. never happened to me
[02:29] <Ximal> savvas : curious .. How did you say I could install a flash player such as adobe ?
[02:29] <ratpoison> mirak: sudo saves your password for like a quarter of an hour. also you can also type in the terminal sudo su BUT if you have to ask why you have to give your password everytime you are doing admin tasks, you probably should
[02:30] <james_xxx> sawas: ok it looks like this installation is trashed..... i wonder if i should re-install feisty, or go for a gutsy-beta install
[02:30] <savvas> Ximal: easy, go here: http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ - ubuntu gutsy gibbon should pop up and ask you to install a missing plugin, or something like that
[02:30] <contrast83> personally, i think entering the password every time is a good thing - it gives you a second to *think* and realize you could bork your system, whereas just clicking "OK" doesn't.
[02:31] <Ximal> just so you know.. savvas ... the video player is working.. u guys helped alot..t hanks so much ;)
[02:31] <clusty> contrast83, i am soo with you on this one...
[02:31] <clusty> Ximal, vlc?
[02:31] <savvas> james_xxx: did you do that command?
[02:31] <Ximal> yeah vlc is a godsend
[02:31] <Ximal> no distortion from the vob files ;)
[02:31] <james_xxx> savvas:  i did, no luck
[02:32] <ratpoison> contrast83: my point exactly sometimes it might be very tedious to prepend sudo every single time, but you should be really really really careful when you use sudo su
[02:32] <mirak> ratpoison: what's the problem ? I want to have to enter my password for exemple the first time I use sudo today, and for lets say 6 hours, I will not have to enter it again. I will just have to click on yes/cancel to have the admin rights and the 15 minutes without beeing prompted yes/no or a password
[02:32] <Ximal> the website isn't installing the adobe plugin
[02:32] <savvas> james_xxx: after that do this: sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:32] <Ximal> i can download the actual tar file but not the other ones
[02:32] <Ximal> anyone mind showing me how to run through the installation via tar ?
[02:33] <james_xxx> savvas: still no go
[02:33] <savvas> hm
[02:33] <clusty> Ximal, do aptitude update && sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:33] <clusty> Ximal, google is your friend D:
[02:33] <m1ke> Does anyone know how to get a 360 wireless controller to work in Gusty?
[02:33] <Dr_willis> Ximal,  insdtalling what? flash? thats a simple apt-get
[02:33] <contrast83> mirak: There are other distros that let you log into X as root (which is very dangerous). I *think* you can enable this on *Ubuntu, someone correct me if I'm wrong here.
[02:33] <savvas> i thought ubuntu handled that with a dialog
[02:33] <james_xxx> i do wonder if ralink wireless is working in gutsy...
[02:34] <savvas> james_xxx: then no idea man, if that didn't work, well.. :\
[02:34] <Dr_willis> ubuntu-restricted-extras - Commonly used restricted package   will install a lot of that stuff. :) java, flash, some others...
[02:34] <mirak> contrast83: I don't want to log in X as root. don't say what I didn't asked
[02:34] <Ximal> i'm saying guys .. I'm completely out of my element... what you tell me to do takes me a while to compute..
[02:34] <ratpoison> mirak: well consider this: if you use sudo once and not required to do so for 6 hours, then anyone who can login to your system in that period has admin priviledges
[02:34] <ratpoison> that IS a bad idea
[02:34] <contrast83> mirak: I'm not. Just saying that's the closest thing available to what you're asking for, AFAIK.
[02:34] <Ximal> i don't know what aptitude update means for example/../
[02:35] <james_xxx> savvas: yeah, i have already given up on saving this install. i have not done a fresh installation on this lappy in a long time, so it look like no is the time
[02:35] <DanaG> Wait, did somebody say my name?
[02:35] <mirak> ratpoison: yes, but I don't care for my home computer. I don't ask that it's the default. It's just there is not this possibility at all.
[02:35] <james_xxx> savvas: would you say that installing gutsy beta fresh would be  alright?
[02:36] <savvas> Ximal: give me a sec
[02:36] <squidy> Are there any compiz-fusion repositories except the official from canonical?
[02:36] <squidy> for gutsy...
[02:36] <Ximal> i'm searching flash in add remove
[02:37] <Ximal> found gnash
[02:37] <contrast83> squidy: Nope. There are about a million GIT scripts out there that make compiling it a breeze though. :-)
[02:37] <Ximal> can we use add/remove to open files we downloaded to assist in package installs ?
[02:37] <Ximal> i just thought of that ?
[02:37] <mirak> contrast83: not really, the closest thing is an intermediate between entering the password each time, and having sudo passwordless all the time. the problem with passwordless even actually in ubuntu during 15 minutes, is that any application that you run during this time could trash your computer, since it can acces anything as root. At least a popup that ask yes/cancel is safer than this because it needs a human intervention.
[02:37] <savvas> Ximal: macromedia flash plugin should be there
[02:38] <Ximal> you know.. kindof like when mandrake instituted automated rpm install program s?
[02:38] <savvas> Ximal: don't tinker with gnash, it's not done yet :)
[02:38] <squidy> contrast83, ok.. the compiz from conanical isn't working here (kubuntu) :(
[02:38] <ratpoison> prepending sudo IS human intervention
[02:38] <Ximal> savvas : found it.. installing
[02:38] <Ximal> i did install gnash but didn't alter it ..
[02:38] <contrast83> squidy: Not sure. I compile, no problems here.
[02:38] <ratpoison> you could just change how long your system remembers your password
[02:38] <Ximal> is that ok ? the thing i did with gnash ?
[02:39] <squidy> contrast83, are you using kubuntu gutsy with compiz working successfully?
[02:39] <contrast83> squidy: Want a good how-to for doing that?
[02:39] <Ximal> uh oh
[02:39] <savvas> Ximal: I'd suggest that you uncheck and remove it for now, until you get used to playing around with packages
[02:39] <mirak> ratpoison: no it's not. I can do a script with sudo rm -fr / in it and if I run it without knowing it, it's over.
[02:39] <Ximal> I"M all happy now.. I got it working ;)
[02:39] <contrast83> squidy: Yep
[02:39] <savvas> Ximal: I mean the gnash
[02:40] <DanaG> I'll gnash you!  (joke.)
[02:40] <Ximal> hmm
[02:40] <Ximal> ok
[02:40] <Ximal> thanks savvy
[02:40] <Ximal> heh... i made a funny
[02:40] <squidy> contrast83, have you got a good howto for that?
[02:40] <DanaG> It's a generic "I'll <blank> you!"
[02:40] <savvas> :)
[02:40] <ratpoison> well if you run it withouth knowing that and that alone excludes the human intervention
[02:40] <contrast83> squidy: one sec...
[02:40] <squidy> thanks
[02:40] <mirak> ratpoison: what ?
[02:41] <savvas> Ximal: go to page http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/welcome/ again, the flash part (not the shockwave part) should be working
[02:41] <ratpoison> human intervention I think would be "to do an actions willingly, being aware of the concequences"
[02:41] <contrast83> squidy: Before you go through the trouble of compiling, what's the exact problem with C-F?
[02:41] <mirak> ratpoison: what I mean is that actually I could run whatever script that come from anywhere and put all the system at stake without even giving this programm root acces intentionnaly.
[02:41] <savvas> Ximal: you have to restart the browser (mozilla firefox) to take effect by the way
[02:42] <ratpoison> well running a script withouth knowing what it does is a bad idea
[02:42] <Ximal> just curious... and yeah i know the restart effects and play thing
[02:42] <DanaG> Funny thing in console:
[02:42] <mirak> ratpoison: so you can't use that as an argument to say that a popup asking yes/cancel would be less safer
[02:42] <DanaG> sudo something.  Close gnome-terminal.  Open gnome-terminal.  Sudo something.
[02:42] <DanaG> The second one doesn't prompt for password.
[02:43] <ratpoison> actually it is: how many vista users do you know that are aware of the risks of running things as admin
[02:43] <DanaG> I actually like it if it's within, say, 2.5 seconds -- then it's like an "oops, I didn't mean to close that!" solution.
[02:43] <DanaG> However, any longer than that, and it becomes a vulnerability.
[02:43] <savvas> DanaG: try it again with a latent period of 10 minutes between the closing/opening
[02:43] <mirak> DanaG: you can set that behavior
[02:43] <Ximal> well savvas .. it's all working just about perfect..
[02:43] <Ximal> sound .. video ... etc
[02:44] <Ximal> now.. if my laptop would work... i'd be in heaven .. you know... the wireless internet card issue
[02:44] <cdm10> I'm having a problem with Miro. I can't play h.264 with it. I seem to have the h.264 codec installed for Totem, but I'm not sure what I need to do to get it to work with Miro.
[02:44] <savvas> Ximal: if you want more restricted "toys" you can try installing ubuntu extras (search in add/remove)
[02:45] <mirak> DanaG: that's why I don't understand why sudo doensn't have the option to be able to say yes/cancel before doing a sudo operation.
[02:47] <Ximal> oh yeah... firewall and security ...
[02:47] <Ximal> how do i protect my o/s from incoming attempts ?
[02:48] <Ximal> and an anti-virus thing too..
[02:48] <pqnet> please can someone help with my problem? All gnome menu entries are gone, so I cannot start any application anymore
[02:49] <pqnet> when I click on "Applications" it shows an empty menu!!!
[02:49] <squidy> contrast83, weird, isn't it?
[02:49] <james_xxx> savvas: would you guess that a fresh gutsy beta install would work fairly well?
[02:49] <ratpoison> Ximal: about guild wars http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=7530
[02:49] <Ximal> thanks rat
[02:50] <contrast83> squidy: Could you paste your xorg.conf?
[02:50] <ratpoison> james_xxx: no one can guarantee you that beta will work.... but if you want my personal experience, I have had minimal problems.
[02:50] <squidy> contrast83, sure.. however, i was using feisty with the same xorg.conf and it was working...
[02:50] <ratpoison> and I've been using it since alpha 5
[02:50] <contrast83> squidy: BTW, here's that guide - http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985
[02:50] <Ximal> wow
[02:50] <Ximal> if i can play guildwars and use linux.. i'm never leaving the community again.. haha
[02:51] <james_xxx> ratpoison: ty, i am going for it... i found a super fast mirror and am about finished downloading it
[02:51] <Ximal> ratpoison : do you need to install the actual guild wars cd ? or can you feed off of a windows partition ?
[02:51] <savvas> Ximal: welcome to communist technology :P (just joking)
[02:52] <ratpoison> Ximal: no idea, I just pointed you to a site that has info
[02:52] <ratpoison> james_xxx: could luck man
[02:52] <contrast83> squidy: I can't guarantee that's gonna solve your problem though
[02:52] <james_xxx> ty
[02:52] <Ximal> aye ... i just need to find the install file... reading now... this will be my last task before i go to sleep ... i got work in about 10 hours
[02:52] <pqnet> please there isn't noone who knows how gnome configuration works
[02:52] <pqnet> ?
[02:52] <ratpoison> pqnet: what do you mean?
[02:52] <squidy> contrast83, if you would want to see.. my xorg: http://www.pastebin.ca/728466
[02:53] <pqnet> I cannot see any menu entry in gnome
[02:53] <pqnet> but there are .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[02:53] <contrast83> GNOME menu entries are stored in .config/menus, right?
[02:53] <contrast83> err, ~/.config/menus
[02:53] <ratpoison> try alt+f3 main menu and click "run main menu"
[02:54] <ratpoison> launch, sorry
[02:54] <savvas> pqnet: it drops down when you click "applications" and appears completely blank?
[02:54] <pqnet> it drops
[02:54] <pqnet> and blank
[02:54] <squidy> contrast83, that howto is for feisty.. but will it work on gutsy ?
[02:54] <pqnet> the same problem results in a new-created user account, so I think it's a problem i
[02:55] <pqnet> with default settings
[02:55] <savvas> pqnet: hit alt-F2 and try this: killall gnome-panel
[02:55] <Ximal> savvas : ratpoison : How do i download that wine ? i can't figure it out ..
[02:56] <savvas> Ximal: add/remove :)
[02:56] <contrast83> squidy: After looking at your xorg.conf, I'm not really sure tbh. I don't see anything that stands out as a showstopper, but I'm no expert. Sorry. :-\
[02:56] <mirak> DanaG: so ?
[02:57] <squidy> contrast83, ok... thank you.. :)
[02:57] <contrast83> squidy: Yeah, it works on Gutsy. It's what I've used on several Gutsy systems w/o issue.
[02:57] <pqnet> savvas it kills then the manager restart it automatically
[02:57] <contrast83> np
[02:58] <Ximal> add remove isn't let me search
[02:58] <Ximal> do i search for the game or the app name ?
[02:58] <savvas> pqnet: did it fix it?
[02:58] <contrast83> well, i'm out. peace, y'all.
[02:58] <savvas> Ximal: you search for: wine
[02:58] <savvas> Ximal: it should show wine windows emulator
[02:58] <pqnet> contrast83 the problem doesn't manifest if I start the panel without a gnome session, for example stopping gdm and starting X on its own
[02:58] <Ximal> err eww
[02:58] <ratpoison> well, to get you some info: every application has it's own site, that has the most recent version of the programme, which fits for all linux distribution . BUT in most distros there is the add/remove tool or an equivalent that has a collection of easy-to-install programmes, specifically for your distribution, (you are using ubuntu, if you're here). so, if you want to install anything you first take a look at your add/remove tool
[02:58] <pqnet> savvas no, sorry, however I've tried restarting the computer many times
[02:59] <Ximal> i know what a windows emulator is.. bad experience trying to code one for quake back in 98
[02:59] <pqnet> savvas i don't think it would be much gain restarting gnome-panel
[03:00] <savvas> pqnet: a user had the same problem before, someone recommended to remove the .config/ directory from home
[03:00] <ratpoison> Ximal: wine is a "windows emulator" it tries to fake the windows OS. As for how it works I have no idea
[03:00] <savvas> pqnet: better do a backup
[03:01] <ratpoison> Ximal: check out this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283122&highlight=gutsy+guild+wars
[03:01] <Ximal> ahh now to figure out how to change stuff like screensaver things
[03:02] <pqnet> savvas as I said the same problem reportes with a brand new account
[03:02] <savvas> Ximal: everything is in menus: system  > preferences, checkout screensaver there
[03:04] <pqnet> vousdeux how's your problem with touchpad doing?
[03:04] <Ximal> ai.. thanks m8's
[03:04] <savvas> pqnet: as I said, another user had the same situation, I can find and post the logs if you want
[03:05] <savvas> ah wait
[03:05] <savvas> 18:02:15< ReL1K> spr0k3t/savvas, if i create a new user, start menu loads fine, must be my user account that is hosed
[03:05] <savvas> heh
[03:06] <pqnet> savvas as i said removing the whole home won't fix it, I have the same problem with a new user account, with blank home directory
[03:07] <pqnet> savvas it's a system-wide configuration problem
[03:07] <rico_> hi guys. I have no VT. I do ctrl+alt+f1 and I get a blinking cursor. I have /dev/tty1. any clue to why this happens?
[03:07] <savvas> pqnet: I got it the first time, ok
[03:07] <pqnet> savvas i think it's related to gnome setting daemon telling the wrong directory to gnome-panel
[03:10] <savvas> pqnet: try right-click to it
[03:10] <pqnet> done
[03:11] <savvas> pqnet: can you add a new panel?
[03:11] <pqnet> yes I can
[03:11] <savvas> and you can fill it up again?
[03:12] <savvas> try adding a new "menu bar"
[03:12] <clusty> arghhhhhh
[03:12] <clusty> damn banshee
[03:13] <DanaG> my bug: 121833
[03:13] <VousDeux> well, I was hoping that if I rebooted I could let the Power Manager run its course again and I might find something useful in /var/log/, but the only files that were modified near the time it started messing up only have unknown keypress details in them about when I hit 'fn + f3' to disable the touch pad...I'm sure it's unrelated
[03:13] <DanaG> bug 121833
[03:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[03:14] <clusty> any1 using banshee here?
[03:14] <pqnet> savvas I can add a new menu bar, new menu bar old issues: no menu' item
[03:14] <savvas> DanaG: try disabling the screensaver, it's said to have some bugs
[03:14] <VousDeux> is there somewhere else I should be looking for Power Manager related logs?
[03:14] <clusty> how can i cleanup the library of non existing files
[03:16] <savvas> VousDeux: if it's a crash, it should be in /var/crash/ and if it's a log it should be in /var/log/
[03:17] <VousDeux> hmmm....nothing in /var/crash/ either, but I didn't know that, so thanks anyway :)
[03:18] <savvas> pqnet: right click on menu bar and try the "edit menus" option
[03:18] <VousDeux> is it possible to somehow run the power manager in verbose logging mode?
[03:19] <savvas> pqnet: the menu items should be checked under "Show", do you see any of them checked?
[03:19] <savvas> VousDeux: through terminal as far as I know
[03:20] <savvas> VousDeux: you mean this? gnome-power-preferences
[03:20] <VousDeux> I'm using KDE
[03:21] <VousDeux> I'm not sure what program it is...I just know it runs in the tray when I boot and then starts messing up and I have to close it
[03:21] <Ximal> hey guys
[03:22] <Ximal> i can't get wine to open the installer exe file for guild wars...
[03:22] <pqnet> savvas it doesn't fix my problem. Please stop hinting the same thing. I have a different problem.
[03:22] <savvas> VousDeux: ah, sorry, never tried kde
[03:22] <Ximal> is there a reason it's only showing file folders ?
[03:22] <DanaG> It's not the screensaver doing it.  It's definitely a HAL and kernel thing.
[03:23] <pqnet> savvas sorry i read the old message about the old user with the same problem and I thought you were insisting on that idea.. damn scroll bar ;P
[03:23] <gorii> hey guys
[03:23] <savvas> n/p
[03:23] <gorii> during the install process, gparted or whatever the partition program is locks up at 53%
[03:23] <gorii> any clues to what the problem may be?
[03:24] <Ximal> anyone ?
[03:24] <pqnet> savvas back to us: "alacarte" menu editor doesn't start. Python error. I think it's because it cannot find any menu, so it crashes
[03:24] <savvas> Ximal: after install wine, go to the terminal and type: winecfg
[03:24] <VousDeux> I found a powernowd, I wonder if that's in
[03:25] <savvas> pqnet: I think it's time for a bug report :) head to http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <Ximal> cfg'in now
[03:26] <savvas> Ximal: after it opens a new window, close that new window (ok or apply, can't remember)
[03:26] <Ximal> i switched it windows xp
[03:26] <Ximal> but then what ? just hit ok ?
[03:26] <savvas> cool
[03:26] <savvas> yep
[03:27] <savvas> that created the /home/yourusername/.wine directory :)
[03:27] <pqnet> savvas i know something doesn't work, I think it's about "ubuntustudio-*" packages I installed, I was trying to manually fix these
[03:27] <Ximal> now what do I do to have it run the stupid install file ? heh.. i can't get it to notice files.. just directories
[03:27] <VousDeux> how do tray applets usually get loaded at startup in kde?
[03:27] <pqnet> I'm still asking the same question: does someone here know how to debug gnome-session to discover why my menu has disappeared?
[03:27] <savvas> pqnet: yeah, foreign packages tend to break stuff :p
[03:28] <Ximal> WOAH ... i got it working.. wtf... woah
[03:28] <Ximal> im gonna cry.. this is sooo beautiful
[03:28] <Ximal> lol
[03:29] <Ximal> anyone have a tissue ?
[03:29] <savvas> pqnet: did you check on /var/log ?
[03:29] <pqnet> savvas which log could be useful?
[03:30] <Ximal> savvas ,,, thanks
[03:30] <pqnet> savvas ubuntustudio is in "universe", I don't think it's so "foreign" to ubuntu
[03:30] <savvas> I'm thinking something like... X org ?
[03:30] <VousDeux> I guess I'll just have to reboot again and look at the ps -aux list and see if I can figure out what program it is
[03:30] <savvas> pqnet: try /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:31] <pqnet> savvas x server has clearly nothing to do with this... Xorg.0.log doesn't say a word about gnome configuration
[03:32] <savvas> pqnet: well, that's about it from me, cheers
[03:33] <Ximal> hmm
[03:33] <pqnet> savvas thank you allthesame
[03:33] <Ximal> savvas : check pm
[03:33] <pqnet> savvas do you know someone who can help me with this?
[03:34] <savvas> pqnet: the ubuntustudio package manager? :p no clue, I honestly don't know :)
[03:36] <pqnet> savvas no, someone who can tweak with gnome-session-manager, gnome-config and similar
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> is gutsy a bit slow in changing windows with alt(tab) or even changing tabs in firefox? whenever i attend to jump to another window or tab in an application say firefox or terminal. It hangs for a little second or two. then go to that window.
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> is it gutsy or gnome? my pc wasn't like that back in feitsy.
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> i have brand new hardwares etc. it shouldnt act like that at all
[03:36] <erichj> vmlinuz`, beta version
[03:36] <savvas> pqnet: dunno, I'm a simple end user :)
[03:36] <erichj> ...
[03:36] <vmlinuz`> erichj: okay and. does that happen to you too?
[03:36] <pqnet> vmlinuz` maybe it's compiz and xgl
[03:37] <erichj> occasionally
[03:37] <vmlinuz`> no my compiz is not enabled. not even any 3d effect.
[03:37] <pqnet> vmlinuz` however by default in gutsy xgl is enabled, you have to add a file in your home to disable it
[03:38] <pqnet> vmlinuz` .config/xserver-xgl/disable
[03:49] <Amaranth> pqnet: No.
[03:49] <Amaranth> pqnet: We do not install Xgl by default
[03:49] <Amaranth> pqnet: If you had it installed then upgraded to feisty will be on
[03:49] <Amaranth> Just uninstall it
[03:50] <Amaranth> err, upgraded from feisty
[03:55] <Jordan_U> Anybody up for a major dpkg breakage challenge ? :)
[03:56] <Dr_willis> You Got married?
[03:57] <Vorian_> MCP51 > suddenly no sound > ideas?
[03:57] <Vorian_> :)
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, No, I ran dpkg --clear-selections then sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade, then realized that I had removed ifup and couldn't connect to the internet to install the packages again, then I tried to dpkg -i every .deb in the archive, not realizing the the .deb for ifup ( and a lot of other important things ) wasn't even there, now I have the worst dpkg breakage I have ever seen and no clue how to fix it
[04:00] <Jordan_U> :)
[04:00] <Jordan_U> Dr_willis, I am now chrooted in from a LiveCD
[04:06] <VousDeux> well, I finally figured out what program the power manager is...it's python guidance-power-manager.py
[04:06] <Amaranth> VousDeux: KDE?
[04:07] <VousDeux> yes
[04:07] <pqnet> Amaranth from www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta page:
[04:07] <Amaranth> VousDeux: See, that's the problem, no one here uses KDE :)
[04:07] <pqnet> Amaranth: Compiz Fusion is enabled by default and will bring 3D desktop visual effects that improve the usability and visual appeal of the system. Ubuntu 7.10 automatically detects whether the hardware is capable of running compiz; if not, it falls back to normal desktop. Additional effects can be enabled in "System/Preferences/Appearance" under the "Visual Effects" tab. There you can also disable the effects entirely.
[04:07] <Amaranth> pqnet: Yes, compiz is installed and enabled by default
[04:07] <Amaranth> pqnet: Xgl is not
[04:08] <Amaranth> But if you install it it enables itself automatically
[04:08] <Amaranth> So if you had it installed in feisty then upgraded to gutsy it'll start working automatically
[04:11] <pqnet> Amaranth: ah ok, so if hardware doesn't support indirect rendering via aiglx/nvidia, and xgl isn't installed it revert automatically to no visual effects?
[04:11] <Amaranth> Yes
[04:12] <Ximal> ok
[04:12] <Ximal> one other question guys..
[04:12] <nalioth> anybodys gutsy keep powering off due to temperature issues?
[04:12] <Ximal> what is a good limewire pro like edition of music/file sharing i can use in linux ?
[04:13] <nalioth> Ximal: limewire is java.  it runs anywhere.
[04:13] <tokorona> Minor issue with KDMTHememanager for Gutsy
[04:13] <nalioth> Ximal: you can also use frostwire
[04:13] <tokorona> It (once installed) appears to crash the KDM Control Shell
[04:14] <tokorona> And..d oesn't appear to work correclty, unless the .kth files aren't.. kde themes
[04:14] <Ximal> frostwire ?
[04:14] <Ximal> without any dang adds ?
[04:14] <Ximal> freeware edition .. opensource like ?
[04:14] <Amaranth> nalioth: only when i abuse my laptop heavily
[04:14] <Ximal> thought about using my limewire pro through wine
[04:15] <Amaranth> Ximal: It's java, it runs anywhere.
[04:16] <Amaranth> Being java also means it's slow, memory heavy, and has tremendous feature bloat. :P
[04:17] <clusty> with the risk of sounding like a looser: how can I tell xchat to send my password whenever i connect to freenode?
[04:18] <crimsun> clusty: configure it in the preferences.
[04:19] <clusty> crimsun: can't find
[04:20] <rico> hey.. anyone experience Emerald stop working after the new update?
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: hey.... alsa dude ;) my sound card isn't allowing multiple programs to access it for playback... worked in fiesty
[04:20] <Dr_willis> clusty,  right there in the server settings tabs/dialogs theres a password area
[04:20] <Dr_willis> clusty,  or make an alias that does it so ya just can type /id (or similer)
[04:20] <rico> nosrednaekim, my sound also stopped working after the new gutsy updates.. *sigh*
[04:21] <newsense07> there any good way to make sure my gutsy upgrade went smoothly ?
[04:21] <clusty> :D
[04:21] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: err, um, more details, please?  What modifications (audio-config-wise) have you made since 7.04?
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: nothing, but sound was not working at all without a modprobe patch in fiesty
[04:22] <clusty> too easy :D
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: its a ATI HDA chip (realtek 883)
[04:22] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: well, is audio audible at all?  (e.g., does `aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav` work?)
[04:23] <usser> whats wrong with linux version of limewire?
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: oh yeah, it works great, but only one program can access it at a time.
[04:23] <nalioth> Amaranth: i was just wonderin, as it's never happend on feisty or prior
[04:24] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: so now, pastebin your ~/.asoundrc* and/or /etc/asound.conf
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: actually, come to think of it, only amarok works...
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: ok
[04:24] <Dr_willis> usser,  care to  give some details..
[04:24] <Dr_willis> usser,  at one time their shell scripts had issues. and they require the official SUN java..
[04:25] <rico> crimsun, hey, I have ALSA and I don't seem to have /etc/asound.conf. is this normal?
[04:25] <Dr_willis> I tend to use frostfire,  instead of limewire.
[04:25] <crimsun> rico: yes.
[04:26] <setuid> Can someone tell me what happened to /etc/inittab in Gutsy?
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/728534
[04:26] <setuid> This afternoon's updates completely hard-lock my Thinkpad when it tries to get into X.
[04:27] <pqnet> Amaranth you seem to be understanding something about this all: can you help me with my problem, e.g. menu entries on gnome are gone?
[04:27] <rico> btw, is ntfs-3g read/write siginificantly slower than ext3?
[04:27] <setuid> I tried to recover, by setting the runlevel, but there is no more inittab.
[04:27] <usser> Dr_willis: hm, oh ok.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> ubuntu has been changing how it does the init system.
[04:27] <Amaranth> pqnet: you mean your applications menu?
[04:27] <crimsun> rico: significantly?  No.
[04:27] <setuid> And whether I use fglrx, ati or radeon... startx, gdm, or otherwise... it hard-locks the machine.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> the runlevels are not even used any more i thought other then to start/shutdown.
[04:27] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[04:27] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[04:27] <setuid> But it was fine until I pulled this afternoon's updates
[04:28] <setuid> I'm pulling whatever updates happened in the last few hours, to see if the problem was found and fixed.
[04:28] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: and what does `asoundconf list` give you?
[04:28] <setuid> I'd definitely call that grave. The screen goes black, backlight goes out, and it no longer responds to any input (i.e. the CapsLock light doesn't even light up when I press it)
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: "SB"
[04:29] <pqnet> amaranth yes, it has disappeared. I've run many tests to understand why this works like that
[04:29] <Ximal> i can't get frostwire to run
[04:29] <Ximal> i downloaded it but it's not working
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: make sure amarok is configured to use the "default" device, not "hw:0,0" or anything like the latter
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: (same goes for arts)
[04:29] <Amaranth> pqnet: rm -rf ~/.config/menus
[04:29] <pqnet> amaranth i tried with a new user, with blank home, and the same problem remains
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: where do I set it for arts?
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: you can also attempt to remove ~/.asoundrc*
[04:29] <Amaranth> pqnet: oh
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: hmm ok
[04:29] <Amaranth> pqnet: sudo apt-get --reinstall install gnome-menus
[04:29] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: in KDE System Settings
[04:29] <Ximal> is there a config i need to run before it will work ?
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> ok.
[04:30] <setuid> While I'm stuck in text-mode, and on the topic... anyone know a text-only browser that supports Javascript?
[04:30] <pqnet> amaranth i tried that too, with --purge
[04:30] <Amaranth> pqnet: does alacarte show anything?
[04:31] <Ximal> nm
[04:31] <Ximal> got it
[04:31] <pqnet> amarant alacarte crashes on start, a runtime python error in module /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Alacarte/util.py
[04:32] <Amaranth> pqnet: run it from a terminal and pastebin the output
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: setting the sound driver to alsa in amarok just crashed it..
[04:33] <setuid> Dr_willis, Any ideas on why the machine hard-locks when it tries to get into X with any X driver?
[04:34] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: to "alsa"?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> I removed those files though, do I have to re-login?
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: yeah
[04:34] <crimsun> nosrednaekim: you shouldn't need to relogin, but try it.
[04:34] <rico> hey.. anyone experience Emerald stop working after the new update?
[04:34] <Amaranth> pqnet: ?
[04:34] <rico> emerald --replace yields no output.
[04:34] <pqnet> amaranth http://nopaste.com/p/aLAELZIIrb
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: ok
[04:35] <Amaranth> pqnet: ok, something is really wrong
[04:35] <Amaranth> pqnet: join #alacarte
[04:36] <pqnet> amaranth here it is, I think the XML parser didn't  return a valid object because it didn't find the file to parse
[04:36] <Amaranth> pqnet: yes
[04:37] <usser> Dr_willis: how gtk_gnutella? have u tried it?
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: deleting that file worked! thanks!
[04:38] <crimsun> np
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> now I can play drums in hydrogen while listening to music in amarok ;)
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> crimsun: the things you work for ;)
[04:38] <nosrednaekim> cya!
[04:43] <Dr_willis> usser,  not tried it in ages..
[04:45] <DM|> oh my frakking god.. I just had resolution workinga gain and now its reverting to 640xXXX whenever i restart X.... *sigh*
[04:45] <DM|> anyone know the nvidia-settings command i can run in terminal to change resolution?
[04:46] <VousDeux> oh cool...I can put my cursor on the title bar, spin my wheel and it will roll-up the window
[04:46] <rico> hey guys how can I downgrade Emerald?
[04:46] <rico> the Gutsy repository only hosts one version
[04:46] <mzuverink> are there medibuntu repos yet?
[04:47] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: you'd really have to ask that somewhere where medibuntu does support....
[04:47] <VousDeux> mzuverink, I haven't looked today, but there weren't any yesterday
[04:47] <Dr_willis> is emerald even needed?
[04:47] <VousDeux> !medibuntu
[04:47] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:47] <rico> well I want emerald
[04:47] <rico> :b
[04:48] <Dr_willis> it dosent do anything last i looked...
[04:48] <Dr_willis> it had no themes I recall :)
[04:48] <Dr_willis> then again - i just installed it  because it was there...
[04:48] <rico> well you can install the emerald-themes package
[04:48] <Dr_willis> and then what.. :)
[04:48] <rico> or download more themes off the internet
[04:48] <rico> ...then you'll have themes in your emerald-theme-manager to use I guess.
[04:48] <rico> :)
[04:49] <Dr_willis> and what exactly do they change?
[04:49] <rico> window borders.
[04:49] <VousDeux> mzuverink, nope...404
[04:50] <mzuverink> VousDeux, yeah the page says that, but was wondering about maybe some kind of secret squirrel testing repo, Im looking to install libdvdcss on gusty
[04:51] <rico> and hey i have another quick problem. ctrl+alt+f1 shows me a blinking cursor (no login prompt).
[04:51] <VousDeux> I tried using the instructions provided but replacing feisty.list with gutsy.list...I got a 404
[04:51] <rico> although, I can type there.. login with my username/password, execute commands... just that they don't show up
[04:51] <rico> (e.g., if i login and type "sudo shutdown -h now" it will actually shutdown, but I don't see my commands or shutdown's output)
[04:52] <VousDeux> mzuverink, you don't need a secret squirrel for that
[04:52] <Amaranth> rico: what driver?
[04:52] <VousDeux> mzuverink, it has a 3 on the end of it though
[04:52] <Amaranth> rico: fglrx?
[04:52] <rico> Amaranth, xserver-xorg-video-intel, latest from Gutsy's repository.
[04:52] <rico> :)
[04:52] <rico> oh
[04:52] <Amaranth> oh, weird
[04:52] <rico> mm how can I check?
[04:52] <Amaranth> rico: what video card do you have?
[04:52] <mzuverink> VousDeux, I have no other knowledge of how to install it, got any tips?
[04:52] <rico> intel X3100 (aka, GMA 965 I think)
[04:53] <Amaranth> oh, uh
[04:53] <Amaranth> no clue
[04:53] <Amaranth> i know you can't use compiz with that one though
[04:53] <newsense07> do you know how to change the look of windows while minimizing ?
[04:54] <rico> true. I specifically disabled the check for it.
[04:54] <Amaranth> newsense07: install compizconfig-settings-manager and play with the options for the animation plugin
[04:54] <Amaranth> rico: You get to keep both pieces
[04:54] <rico> the only problem there is that I can't play video through XV... something I don't mind
[04:54] <VousDeux> mzuverink, it has a 2, not a 3..sorry...you should be able to just apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:54] <newsense07> Amaranth: thanks !
[04:55] <mzuverink> ok, thanks
[04:55] <VousDeux> !dvd
[04:55] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:56] <VousDeux> mzuverink, ahhh...there was one with a 3 on it...libdvdread3
[04:57] <mzuverink> VousDeux, there's not one on the repos
[04:57] <VousDeux> mzuverink, then you have to sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[04:57] <newsense07> !kiba-dock
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiba-dock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:58] <VousDeux> mzuverink, I think that last one decrypts commercial dvd's
[05:00] <VousDeux> mzuverink, you may also want to have a look at ubuntu-restricted-extras or kubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:01] <mzuverink> VousDeux, I installed the RE for Ubuntu
[05:02] <Hobbsee> u-r-e doesnt decrypt dvds
[05:02] <Hobbsee> that script (install-css.sh does)
[05:02] <VousDeux> yeah, you still need libdvdread3 for that
[05:02] <Hobbsee> although, i'm thinking of adding bits to u-r-e and such for hardy, to go and grab the evil extra codecs from medibuntu
[05:04] <Konam> hi
[05:04] <Konam> i'm noticing that my internet connection dies from time to time......
[05:04] <VousDeux> wb Konam
[05:04] <VousDeux> Konam, wifi?
[05:05] <Konam> no
[05:06] <mzuverink> VousDeux, thanks for the tip, got it taken care of, now for those darn win32 codecs
[05:06] <rico> hey, what does anyone need win32 codecs for?
[05:06] <rico> .wma?
[05:06] <Amaranth> No
[05:07] <Amaranth> w32codecs is only useful for realmedia
[05:07] <rico> ew, real.
[05:07] <Amaranth> and we have realplayer for that :P
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ahhh, i sthat what it's for
[05:07] <Konam> VousDeux for example, i'm connected right now, but it dies for a moment and then it comes back it is more dead than it is alive, is annoying....
[05:07] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: It used to be useful for a lot more things but we've gotten codecs for wmv3 and such
[05:08] <mzuverink> doesnt win32codecs also allow you to listen to wma in like xmms too?
[05:08] <rico> hmm, i dont have /dev/dsp.
[05:08] <rico> is this normal?
[05:08] <rico> i used to.
[05:08] <Amaranth> mzuverink: no
[05:08] <rico> i tried to reinstall alsa-base btw
[05:08] <Amaranth> mzuverink: w32codecs only works in mplayer and xine
[05:08] <mzuverink> Amaranth, true
[05:09] <mzuverink> so I take it the commercial canonical repos wont be up till official release?
[05:09] <mzuverink> source o matic does not list them
[05:10] <Amaranth> mzuverink: Have to get permission to put stuff in there
[05:10] <Hobbsee> DM|: you still lose
[05:10] <mzuverink> Amaranth, so like Acro Reader best to install now from official site?
[05:10] <DM|> Hobbsee dont be so helpful, you might hurt yourself
[05:11] <rico> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[05:11] <rico> anyone familiar with that?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> DM|: indeed.  i might just kickban you, for wasting our time.
[05:12] <DM|> Hobbsee abuse of power, think i wasnt doing anything? most of those disconnects were me changing the server tabs
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DM|: uh, no they werent.  most of them were me throwing you off the network.  it has a different quit message.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> bah.  twit.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DM|: uh, no they werent.  most of them were me throwing you off the network.  it has a different quit message.
[05:12] <DM|> Hobbsee w/e
[05:12] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, are you the same Hobbsee of Mandrake heritage?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: um, nope?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: i've never used mandrake
[05:13] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, there was a Hobbssee who used to moderate mandrakes irc channel often, just wondering
[05:13] <bazhang> Hobbsee!
[05:13] <bazhang> hiya
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: ahhh.  nope :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hiya bazhang~
[05:14] <Amaranth> Hobbsee isn't from Mandriva and I didn't make that theme :P
[05:15] <bazhang> I've taken your words to heart and stopped advising people to get Gutsy...mostly..haha
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bazhang: :D
[05:15] <Hobbsee> bazhang: well, it's fine if they know what they're doing
[05:16] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, so what are you saying?;)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: in regards to?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: oh, that a lot of this channel has no idea what they're doing, and shouldnt really be running gutsy?
[05:16] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, yeah
[05:16] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: i am, yes.
[05:17] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, am maybe i wear my heart on my sleeve and too offense, not really
[05:17] <mzuverink> *took
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: (because they're not filing useful bugs, etc)
[05:17] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, bugs, what bugs?  My sys is running like a champ
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: yes, but you fix them.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: yay!
[05:18] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: But not the same set as the ones I find
[05:18] <Hobbsee> true
[05:18] <Amaranth> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~amaranth/+reportedbugs
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: when will you fix kwindeco-compiz stuff?
[05:18] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: never
[05:18] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, just a pain having no medibuntu to do the dirty work easy, yet, Im learning and thats a good thing, next...linux from scratch
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: awww....
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: have you asked the medibuntu guys why they dont have their repos up?
[05:19] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I have no interest in KDE, KDE has no interest in Compiz
[05:19] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: And most of the bugs left are frigging weird
[05:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  compiz == crack :)
[05:19] <Amaranth> Like a crash on ~QObject
[05:19] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:19] <Hobbsee> oookay?
[05:20] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, they do not answer, just ignore the questions
[05:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: My thoughts exactly :0
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: where are you asking?
[05:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: And there is a bug with the domino theme that kde-window-decorator exposes, not our bug :)
[05:20] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I can't think of any other important bugs for kwd
[05:20] <mzuverink> #medibuntu and #ubuntu
[05:20] <Hobbsee> my concern is how it crashes so much, and doesnt play nice with the pager
[05:21] <Amaranth> the pager doesn't follow the standards
[05:21] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: #ubuntu is not the place - medibuntu is a derivative
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: then fix the pager?  :)
[05:21] <Amaranth> and the crashes are the ~QObject thing
[05:21] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:21] <Hobbsee> which is a qt-ism.
[05:21] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: would such a patch be accepted at this point?
[05:21] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, right, but usually they are there
[05:21] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: SuSE already has a patch for it
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: depends how big it is, etc.
[05:21] <bazhang> hi Amaranth
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: if you have a patch, eyeballing it would be good.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: making sure it doesnt effect standard kde
[05:22] <mzuverink> Hobbsee, one bug though, if compiz is enabled, my bottom bar does not appear until I click on the desktop
[05:22] <Hobbsee> mzuverink: Amaranth is the compiz guy :)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: OOPS, YOU BROKE IT.  FIX IT NOW!  :p
[05:22] <mzuverink> Amaranth, catch that bug?
[05:23] <Amaranth> mzuverink: already fixed (in the next upload)
[05:23] <DanaG> my bug: bug 121833
[05:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[05:23] <mzuverink> Amaranth, or you want me to be a good doobie and report it officially?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> DanaG: we're still not kernel/acpi devs, btw
[05:23] <Amaranth> mzuverink: already fixed (in the next upload)
[05:24] <mzuverink> Amaranth, awesome
[05:24] <tokorona> hmm.. wonder why kde-themeinstall isn't working correcrtly.
[05:24] <Amaranth> ick trevinho doesn't have source for his patched kicker package
[05:24] <Hobbsee> DanaG: if you've provided the info required, set it to confirmed, seeing as it looks like others are seeing it
[05:24] <Amaranth> that's probably not even legal :P
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: ew, trevhino
[05:25] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: well he snagged the patch from suse
[05:25] <Amaranth> figured i'd snag his since it at least applied to our feisty package
[05:25] <DanaG> Can you see if everything needed is there?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> doesnt mean i trust him, and doesnt mean that he's not FULL OF CRACK.
[05:25] <Amaranth> then again he probably didn't base his package on our feisty package
[05:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: no idea.  see the part about me not being a kernel dev
[05:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I tried KDE the other day, and noticed the lack of a volume OSD.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it has one.
[05:25] <tokorona> OSD?
[05:27] <Amaranth> wtf opensuse's source packages don't include KDE stuff
[05:28] <Amaranth> i hate their repo layout
[05:28] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I can't find their package so... :P
[05:29] <tokorona> KDE isn't .. that bad.
[05:30] <mzuverink> Speaking of KDE, is there a way to keep kde stuff to only show up if in kde and vice verse w/ gnome?  Stupid q I know, But my Youngest likes kde and I like gnome, and if I edit the emues it screws everything up, stuff disappears on both
[05:31] <mzuverink> cant get her to use gnome, they use kde at school
[05:33] <tokorona> although, I should probably go back to figuring out why kdethememanager is misbehaving.
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> mzuverink: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25065&highlight=hide+kde+gnome
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> jocko cd /usr/share/applications/kde
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> jocko sudo for i in *; do echo "OnlyShowIn=KDE;" >> $i; done
[05:33] <tonyyarusso> is what I had written down for that - never tried it
[05:35] <mzuverink> tonyyarusso, thanks
[05:36] <ppj> any updates to nvidia drivers?
[05:37] <mzuverink> Whats the deal with all the pre-created folders now in Gusty?
[05:37] <JabberWokky> Thanks for a good topic line.  Got my answers.
[05:38] <mzuverink> Not that its a bad thing...
[05:38] <superbenny> hey just upgraded from 7.07...my Intel wireless card (in my IBM ThinkPad) isnt working. comes up as a restricted driver, which i made sure is enabled
[05:38] <usser> mzuverink: what pre-created folders?
[05:38] <superbenny> but nothing it seing it
[05:38] <mzuverink> Super, video pictures....
[05:38] <superbenny> comes up in lshw
[05:39] <superbenny> wirelss
[05:39] <superbenny> wireless*
[05:39] <mzuverink> superbenny, like video and pictures, templates....
[05:39] <newsense07> yall like dolphin ?
[05:40] <mzuverink> its good mixed in a can of tuna
[05:40] <usser> why did they have to change file manager
[05:40] <usser> konq was just fine
[05:41] <tokorona> Dolphin is OK.
[05:41] <tokorona> I sorta don't see the point in using it over konqurer, no
[05:41] <usser> tokorona: the best is the enemy of the good
[05:41] <bazhang> the perfect...
[05:41] <usser> tokorona: exactly
[05:42] <usser> the perfect, i didnt know the english version, sorta just translated
[05:42] <superbenny> hey, my wi card stopped working when i upgraded from 7.04
[05:42] <superbenny> any thoughts?
[05:43] <tokorona> I use ndiswrapper, so i've never.. really had to mess with restricted drivers.
[05:44] <superbenny> it just worked without any config when i installed 7.04
[05:44] <superbenny> so i didnt even have to mess with wrapper
[05:44] <Traveler0> My wireless card just went kaput, too.
[05:44] <Jordan_U> Super, What chipset?
[05:44] <superbenny> intel
[05:44] <tokorona> (which, incidently, required a reinstall... have to say that 7.10 doesnt' require that blasted configuration workaround, so I'm happy)
[05:44] <Jordan_U> superbenny, Is it set to roaming mode?
[05:45] <superbenny> er
[05:45] <superbenny> what
[05:45] <Traveler0> It worked until recently.
[05:45] <Traveler0> It's that blasted new Intel card.
[05:45] <Jordan_U> superbenny, System -> Administration -> Networking
[05:46] <superbenny> im using kde
[05:46] <DanaG> Yay, one more reason to love Amarok: MusicBrainz.
[05:46] <DanaG> Sweet!
[05:46] <Jordan_U> superbenny, Make sure that it's set to roaming mode their ( which just means that it should be controlled by network-manager
[05:46] <superbenny> yea networkmanager isnt seeing it
[05:46] <superbenny> at all
[05:46] <superbenny> but lshw sees it, and iwconfig sees my wireless network
[05:47] <Jordan_U> superbenny, Don't know how to do it in the GUI in KDE but you want to remove any references to the card from /etc/network/interfaces
[05:47] <Traveler0> Anyone else having problems with their wireless cards after the latest updates?
[05:48] <Traveler0> Iwconfig says it's not there. Ifconfig says it's not there. LSPCI says it IS there.
[05:48] <superbenny> i dont need gui
[05:48] <superbenny> commands are fine
[05:52] <Jordan_U> Anybody up for a major dpkg breakage challenge ? :)
[05:53] <savvas> you have virtual machines for that :p
[05:55] <ppj> !stages
[05:55] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[05:56] <ppj> !brokenvidia
[05:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about brokenvidia - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:57] <Traveler0> Am I the only one who has'nt got wireless internet?
[05:57] <ppj> i have 3 laptops and 2 desktops, i use both
[05:57] <ReL1K> savvas: saw you said something before about the issue i was having, are others experiencing it too?
[05:57] <savvas> ReL1K: neah, wrong alarm
[05:58] <superbenny> traveler:no me too
[05:58] <Traveler0> Also, why the zark is my battery life so awful? The X61 should get 3+ hours with the screen brightness cranked down.
[05:58] <newsense_07> i was using ndiswrapper until latest updates now i got a module that works with my card and i get an extra bar !
[05:58] <ReL1K> gotchya
[05:58] <savvas> but another user had a problem system-wide
[05:58] <savvas> the menus appeared empty
[05:58] <riotkittie> oh i am so jealous. <bites newsense_07's functioning wireless>
[05:58] <ReL1K> ahh
[05:58] <savvas> but in a newly added user the effect was the same :\
[05:59] <newsense_07> arrr gar gar
[05:59] <ReL1K> ah
[05:59] <savvas> so it wasn't any .config/ for that matter
[05:59] <ReL1K> right
[05:59] <riotkittie> i wish i could ditch ndiswrapper under gutsy
[05:59] <cellofellow> my apt authentications are all messed up. How can I fix it?
[06:00] <tokorona> for some reason, prism54 doesn't work with my chipset.
[06:01] <savvas> cellofellow: system > admin > soft sources > authentication and restore defaults
[06:02] <savvas> (thank god they have that)
[06:02] <cellofellow> k
[06:04] <riotkittie> oh yay. more updates.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> by the time ya get the updates installed.. thers more updates!
[06:06] <savvas> hm.. I ought to make a blueprint to allow only twice per day to update :P
[06:06] <riotkittie> that was odd. i dont have updates. save for ekiga, which never wants to install.
[06:07] <riotkittie> i'm so sad. the prospect of another 170 updates had filled my heart with such gleeee. :'(
[06:07] <savvas> (yay!) :p
[06:07] <superbenny> do i detect a hint of sarcasm?
[06:08] <riotkittie> no. <3 updates <3
[06:08] <superbenny> lol
[06:08] <savvas> well people like you make the security.ubuntu.com hurl
[06:09] <savvas> but no offense taken i suppose
[06:09] <riotkittie> and why do i do that  :|
[06:10] <VousDeux> I'm trying install something that says it can't find X libraries...what should I do to fix it?
[06:15] <VousDeux> where are X libraries located?
[06:17] <bazhang> ?
[06:17] <mzuverink> when you chose a background color for gdm, no matter your choice it is always brown
[06:17] <bazhang> ahaha really?
[06:17] <mzuverink> really
[06:18] <bazhang> wow--glad I'm on KDE.
[06:18] <bazhang> feature or bug?
[06:18] <mzuverink> good question
[06:18] <bazhang> !bug#1
[06:18] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:18] <usser> mzuverink: i think its a bug
[06:18] <mzuverink> If I could change just one thing about ubuntu, it would be that darn brown
[06:19] <usser> mzuverink: i had the same problem with kdm they fixed it recently
[06:19] <usser> mzuverink: yea i think its a poor theme choice
[06:19] <mzuverink> usser, me too, atleast it make noise whenits ready to have you login now
[06:19] <mzuverink> thats new
[06:20] <mzuverink> I just cant stand brown
[06:20] <usser> mzuverink: well kubuntu's choice is even worse i its reddish purple
[06:21] <mzuverink> ahhgg!
[06:21] <riotkittie> what would you change the brown to?
[06:21] <riotkittie> ew. reddish puple? ><
[06:22] <riotkittie> i thought that it was blue
[06:22] <wsjunior> using fglrx driver im unable to access any tty, how do i fix it without removing fglrx driver?
[06:22] <wsjunior> is it possible?
[06:22] <riotkittie> why/how is the driver stopping you from accessing a tty?
[06:23] <wsjunior> i mean, im able to switch to any tty, but they are unusable.. i cant see anything but a black screen
[06:23] <ppj> no prompt?
[06:23] <wsjunior> no
[06:23] <wsjunior> nothinh
[06:23] <riotkittie> is getty runnig?
[06:23] <wsjunior> just a black screen
[06:23] <savvas> mzuverink: right click on the desktop and change the background color
[06:23] <wsjunior> ya, if i use ati driver instead of fglrx it works
[06:23] <wsjunior> but i need to use fglrx
[06:24] <riotkittie> how bizarre.
[06:24] <VousDeux> what would be the path for x libraries?
[06:24] <riotkittie> i dont see why people throw such fits about the brown. to the extent theyre circulating partitions.
[06:25] <riotkittie> errr. p.. petitions.
[06:25] <riotkittie> circulating partitions. heeee. <has been taking painkillers>
[06:25] <riotkittie> but wait. that was the wallpaper they were doing it over.
[06:26] <riotkittie> otoh, it is an incredibly ugly wall paper.
[06:26] <wsjunior> i used to chane vga to 791 to fix this problem but it doesnt work anymore
[06:29] <WGGMk> ok, i need some assistance
[06:30] <WGGMk> I have an Ubuntu Gusty Gibbon 2.6.22-13 laptop.. running fine.. w/ Broadcom wlan.. I just bought a linksys wireless adaptor for my "Ubuntu Gusty Gibbon 2.6.22-12 server" and i need to install the firmware for the broadcom chipset
[06:30] <wsjunior> so what?
[06:31] <WGGMk> I have the files and all dependancies needed on a USB disk with the lable /disk.. the mount point was /media/disk on my laptop.. im having trouble looking at it on my server.. its not mounted or mounted somewhere else
[06:32] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: just blame opensuse.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: major dpkg breakage?
[06:35] <WGGMk> can anyone help me with mounting a USB drive (thumb drive) on Gusty Gibbon Server (no X)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> plug it in. use 'sudo fdisk -l' to see where its at (or dmesg output)
[06:35] <Dr_willis> mkdir /media/thang
[06:35] <Dr_willis> (with a sudo)
[06:36] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/whateveritscalled /media/thang  -t whateverthsfsis.
[06:36] <Dr_willis> Or is there something more specific ya have issues with?
[06:36] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I ran dpkg --clear-selections then sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade, then realized that I had removed ifup and couldn't connect to the internet to install the packages again, then I tried to dpkg -i every .deb in the archive, not realizing the the .deb for ifup ( and a lot of other important things ) wasn't even there, now I have the worst dpkg breakage I have ever seen and no clue how to fix it
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I'm currently chrooted in with a LiveCD :)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: you idiot :)
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, In my defense this is a scratch machine
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, But yea :)
[06:37] <Traveler0> Anyone else had wireless problems?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: either reinstall, or install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard, then try installing ubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: and work your way through your mess
[06:37] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: would it detect it as System: linux raid autodetect?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> but it may be quicker to backup and reinstall
[06:37] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I can't install ubuntu-minimal ;)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: because?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: install the stuff that it depends on, etc.
[06:38] <WGGMk> im having trouble determining the drives.. i forget how i partition'ed this server..
[06:38] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I can't use dpkg at all
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: oh, because ifup is so far stuffed that dpkg wont work.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: ok, then reinstall.
[06:38] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, That would be giving up, and isn't as fun ;)
[06:38] <Hobbsee> didnt relaised your dpkg was broken too
[06:39] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: thanks.. i got it mounted.. sorry.. having a brain fart today
[06:39] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: you may get away with manually doing the wrok that dpkg does - but dude...you may as well install and configure LFS, then gentoo, and *still* be ahead.
[06:39] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, dpkg is broken because for some reason many of the things that ubuntu-minimal depends on were not in /var/cache/apt/
[06:39] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  sticking beans up your nose will do that. :)
[06:40] <Traveler0> Well...I can't update my laptop for the time being.
[06:40] <Traveler0> It still works. (The wireless does not.)
[06:40] <Traveler0> Should I try downloading the latest updates (via Ethernet,) or wait until things are fixed?
[06:40] <WGGMk> Dr_willlis: lol.. i forgot server didnt have a GUI by default.. and i just installed it like a week ago..
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: right, so that's depenedancy hell, not dpkg being broken.
[06:41] <Traveler0> Is my connection not working properly?
[06:42] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, Yes
[06:42] <spasticteapot> Stupid java applett....
[06:42] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, But I actually have all of the dependencies at least, so once it's worked out ( if it ever is ) it will be able to magically pop back in place
[06:43] <WGGMk> how do i tell linux-restricted-drivers-manager to use a specific file for the firmware with no GUI lol.. for broadcom cards.. using bcm43xx-fwcutter
[06:43] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, I saved a backup dpkg --get-selections
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: wget the debs in, perhpas
[06:43] <Hobbsee> then go from there
[06:44] <Jordan_U> Hobbsee, But I can't use dpkg -i until I run dpkg --configure -a , and that won't work until I have all of the .debs :) It's a catch 22
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: it's called karma for messing up your system.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> Jordan_U: wget the deps then dpkg --configure -a would be my guess
[06:45] <Hobbsee> or just cut your losses, reinstall, then go fixing parts of gutsy
[06:47] <WGGMk> whats the command to connect to a specific network?
[06:47] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  you mean IRC network?
[06:48] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: no.. like 'eth2' is my wlan card.. i need to manually connect to my router on my server
[06:48] <Dr_willis> hmmm...  you mean 'connect to the wireless network' :)
[06:48] <VousDeux> I see why people are always asking compiz questions in here...nobody is ever alive in that channel
[06:48] <WGGMk> yes
[06:49] <Dr_willis> i dont touch wirless.. :)  sorry
[06:49] <WGGMk> i havent the faintest of how to do it
[06:49] <WGGMk> hehe
[06:49] <WGGMk> tis ok
[06:49] <Dr_willis> proberly 12+ ways to do it.. each depends on the versionof the card...
[06:49] <WGGMk> Dr_willis: thnx for the mounting help
[06:49] <Dr_willis> wireless has been such a... disaster. :)
[06:49] <Dr_willis> WGGMk,  yep. mounting i can do..
[06:49] <WGGMk> yes it sure hans
[06:49] <WGGMk> err has
[06:49] <VousDeux> does anyone know how I can turn off the shade feature in compiz?
[06:49] <Dr_willis> Hopefully with the new kernel/wireless stuff and the wireless N things comming out
[06:50] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  in the advanced compiz control panel thing.
[06:50] <Dr_willis> which is not installed by default..
[06:50] <Dr_willis> and i forget its package name. :)
[06:50] <Dr_willis> !find compiz
[06:50] <ubotu> Found: compiz, compiz-bcop, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra (and 15 others)
[06:50] <Dr_willis> compizconfig-settings-manager - Compiz configuration settings manager
[06:51] <Dr_willis> thats it. :)
[06:51] <VousDeux> I have that installed, but I think I clicked every option in there and did not find the ones I was looking for
[06:51] <Dr_willis> yep.. its a little complex for a settings program.
[06:51] <Dr_willis> which 'shade' feature do ya mean?
[06:52] <Dr_willis> i spent a few hrs explorign the thign last week.
[06:52] <VousDeux> when I click the minimize button, it rolls up instead of minimize
[06:52] <Dr_willis> ahh.. thats.. different.
[06:52] <Dr_willis> that might bein the first/top settings.  whatever that area is called on the list
[06:52] <Dr_willis> thats where you can set the title bar double click to 'winshade' or other things..
[06:53] <Dr_willis> i cant recall ever seeing that specific effect however. but i do recall seeing other  button settings.
[06:55] <VousDeux> I'm also not fond of having to click specifically on a title bar to activate a window...I prefer to be able to click anywhere on the window to activate it
[06:55] <riotkittie> my wireless worked out of the box on gutsy. it also pushed me back to windows because it was so ... awful :P
[06:55] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  ive not seen that effect either.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> VousDeux,  try making a new user with default settings and see if that applys to them also.
[06:55] <Dr_willis> that almost sounds like a bug
[06:55] <riotkittie> well, "pushed me back" isnt fair because its not like i was wandering far from it at that point
[06:56] <VousDeux> hmmm...maybe it is a bug...it's like I have a window  behind another, I have to click directly on the title bar to bring it up top
[06:56] <Dr_willis> sounds like a bug to me.
[06:57] <WGGMk> Gusty works fine for me.. i havent had a problem
[06:58] <Dr_willis> well i now have gutsy on 3 of my machines.
[06:58] <riotkittie> gutsy works so well i almost hate it.
[06:58] <WGGMk> im just having problems getting my server connected cause im not too good without a GUI
[06:58] <Dr_willis>  cheatign on this one.. it has feisty and gutsy both. :) i got gutsy updated/going on it now.
[06:59] <rico> hey, is there something wrong with gutsy's repositories?
[06:59] <rico> im getting 0 bytes from the repository URLs when I do 'check' on update-manager
[06:59] <WGGMk> i get this weird message after GRUB
[07:00] <rico> WGGMk, what is it?
[07:00] <WGGMk> [numbers]  PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 on device 0000:00:00.0
[07:00] <WGGMk> [numbers]  changes on every restart
[07:02] <WGGMk> any thoughts?
[07:04] <rico> hmm, ive no clue.
[07:08] <snadge> its okay.. my desktop is also a heart and vital signs monitor for thousands of sick patients ;)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> and it runs the ISS  for the soviets.. they oursourced it.
[07:09] <Dr_willis> outsourced it..
[07:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:09] <cellofellow> I have a deadly sound hardware combination it seems: nVidia HDA and SigmaTel STAC9200. I've found some vague references to fixes, but nothing I can figure out. Apparently this is true for most of Linux, and Feisty. (Maybe I should ask in #ubuntu then. :-) )
[07:09] <cellofellow> But, anybody know how to fix it?
[07:10] <snadge> whats wrong.. just no sound?
[07:11] <cellofellow> just silence
[07:11] <Dr_willis> The sound of silence.
[07:11] <snadge> have you tried running alsamixer from commandline?
[07:11] <cellofellow> everybody points to this, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053, but it's for Fedora and I can't seem to translate to debian/ubuntu.
[07:11] <cellofellow> snadge: oh, yes
[07:11] <snadge> and checking /proc/asound/cards to see how many devices are detected and which is primary
[07:12] <cellofellow> only the nvidia HDA device shows in there.
[07:12] <snadge> cellofellow: you could test gutsy from its livecd to see if it detects sound
[07:12] <cellofellow> the SigmaTel looks like an OSS device though. Stillno sound.
[07:13] <cellofellow> snadge: this doesn't work on any system I've come across. The only place on the Internet that says anything on how to fix it I linked to, but it's for Fedora. How do I translate?
[07:13] <DanaG> My playback works, but capture doesn't.
[07:14] <DanaG> I've even updated to the HG alsa, but it's no better there.
[07:14] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, Nothing there looks too Fedora specific, just remove all alsa packages with apt
[07:14] <cellofellow> that removes like half of my system though, due to metapackages and stuff.
[07:15] <cellofellow> bug #134351
[07:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134351
[07:15] <DanaG> It's fine to leave ALSA packages there while still compiling new versions manually.
[07:15] <snadge> or you could possibly follow the ubuntu wiki for recompiling alsa, and use the fedora instructions to customise that process somehow ;)
[07:15] <DanaG> You just have to watch for kernel updates.
[07:15] <cellofellow> Someone in the bug report stuff fixed it, but I don't know how.
[07:15] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, You can ignore deps, but I'd listen to DanaG instead :)
[07:16] <cellofellow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/134351/comments/23
[07:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:16] <cellofellow> that's what I want to do, but how?
[07:16] <cellofellow> I'm not great shakes at this low-level stuff. (yet.)
[07:17] <DanaG> Oh, and after compiling new versions remove the following file and sudo depmod -a, or you'll get mysterious "unknown symbol" errors:
[07:17] <DanaG> /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel/snd-hda-intel.ko
[07:17] <DanaG> where .22-12 is whatever you're currently on.
[07:17] <snadge> hmm.. gutsy seems to use the same kernel version as feisty
[07:17] <cellofellow> not sure of that.
[07:18] <cellofellow> 2.6.22-12-generic
[07:18] <snadge> 2.6.22-12
[07:18] <cellofellow> I think Feisty is 20
[07:19] <DanaG> Yup, it is.
[07:19] <snadge> ahh it is too
[07:19] <cellofellow> is this something I need to use apt-src for?
[07:19] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, No, but you may want to use apt-get build-deb
[07:19] <cellofellow> still over my head. :-)
[07:19] <Jordan_U> cellofellow, Ignore that, I'm tired :)
[07:20] <tokorona> Gutsy uses .12 or .13 I think
[07:20] <mzuverink> VousDeux, actually all the medibuntu debs are on their site, just go to http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/
[07:20] <cellofellow> I'm using Gutsy and currently running .12
[07:20] <VousDeux> mzuverink, cool...thanks
[07:21] <WGGMk> im running 2.6.22-13 and its sweet
[07:21] <mzuverink> VousDeux, you have to go through and pick them manually, by alphabetical order, both for free and non free, but they work, beats installing acroread by had
[07:22] <snadge> is it true that wine is actually starting to get better than cedega because cedega uses an older pre-forked copy of wine?
[07:22] <cellofellow> ok, the guy in here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/134351/comments/23 links to here http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=868053 but doesn't say exactly what he did besides that he only removed alsa-lib and alsa-utils
[07:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134351 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Sigmatel STAC9200 No Sound/Audio Ubuntu (Gateway MT3423)" [Medium,Confirmed]
[07:22] <cellofellow> I'm lost.
[07:23] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:24] <cellofellow> is HdaIntel and nVidia HDA compatible?
[07:24] <DanaG> Yup, the standard is "Intel HD Audio" because Intel defined the standard.
[07:24] <cellofellow> gotcha, like AMD64
[07:24] <DanaG> It's the successor to AC97, which was another standard audio device bus.
[07:25] <DanaG> You can use the HG version of ALSA by using sources from here: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Download#ALSA_HG_.28Mercurial.29_SCM_repositories
[07:28] <cellofellow> alsa-lib doesn't even exist. is this normal?
[07:29] <squidy> does anyone here use compiz-fusion with KDE?
[07:31] <DanaG> Fedora's packages are named differently.
[07:32] <usser> squidy: i do
[07:33] <cellofellow> how do I manage to install those programs that depend on alsa-suchandsuch?
[07:33] <cellofellow> when I've manually installed patched versions.
[07:34] <squidy> usser, how do you get to start c-f with kde startup?
[07:35] <usser> squidy: alt+f2 compiz --replace
[07:35] <usser> squidy: and then it just kind starts on every boot by itself
[07:36] <usser> squidy: just make sure in kcontrol session manager u check on login restore previous session
[07:36] <squidy> usser, but at the starts the adept_notify stay out of systray.. and the pager show only 1 desktop...
[07:37] <usser> squidy: hm it doesnt do that for me
[07:37] <squidy> usser, are you using kubuntu gutsy too?
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> I just did an update. Now my video doesn't work right
[07:37] <usser> squidy: yep
[07:37] <squidy> weird
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> I have an nvidia 7600
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> 3D and compiz were working before the update
[07:37] <DigitalNinja> now they don't work
[07:37] <usser> squidy: i use kde-window-decorator though
[07:38] <squidy> me too
[07:38] <usser> squidy: no emerald
[07:38] <usser> *not
[07:38] <DigitalNinja> Maybe I should restart with a different kernel
[07:38] <squidy> i haven't got emerald installed
[07:38] <squidy> usser, what's your gpu?
[07:38] <usser> squidy: weird did u do any setuo in ccsm
[07:39] <usser> squidy: nvidia 8600
[07:39] <DigitalNinja> squidy: Nice!
[07:39] <squidy> usser, yes i did
[07:39] <squidy> i've got a nvidia 7300gt..
[07:40] <cellofellow> humble nvidia 6100
[07:40] <cellofellow> WAY better than the RIVA TNT2 I had b4.
[07:40] <usser> cellofellow: omg
[07:40] <squidy> DigitalNinja, did you upgrade from feisty to gutsy?
[07:40] <DigitalNinja> no
[07:40] <usser> squidy: i dunno
[07:40] <DigitalNinja> I installed Tribe 5 about 3 or 4 weeks ago
[07:40] <squidy> usser, ok dude.. thanks
[07:40] <DigitalNinja> Thinks have been okay
[07:40] <WGGMk> Ok, fresh install of Gusty Server amd64. I have a direct connection to the router. sudo apt-get update fails. "Temporary failure resolving..." then source sites, etc.
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> lost a few things along the way but the developers have fixed them
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> This problem looks bad
[07:41] <cellofellow> WGGMk: you got DNS issues. Add your ISPs DNS servers to /etc/resolv.conf
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> I'll be back
[07:41] <WGGMk> but im connected wireless on the same router right now.. in Gusty desktop
[07:41] <Dr_willis>  wee.. woobly windows under Kubuntu Gutsy..
[07:41] <DigitalNinja> switching to a different kernel
[07:42] <Dr_willis> and lots of little issues.. Like having to click on a titlebar to activate a window.
[07:42] <riotkittie> i like clicking to activate :P
[07:43] <WGGMk> cellowfellow: i checked in /etc/resolve.conf it just has my ISP and nameserver IP's listed
[07:45] <WGGMk> cellowfellow: I tried to ping the nameserver's and they are unreacheable.. how do you manually start a network interface
[07:45] <cellofellow> Dr_willis: all fixable :-) I got sloppy focus the way I like it
[07:45] <WGGMk> isnt it like wake or something
[07:45] <cellofellow> WGGMk: sudo ifup interface
[07:45] <Dr_willis> cellofellow,  heh. Im suprised that MythTV frontend is working.. :)
[07:46] <DigitalNinja> It works!
[07:46] <Dr_willis> i can do the fancy app-switching and the tv show  is in a fancy window
[07:46] <DigitalNinja> Looks like something kernel related broke in the update
[07:46] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[07:52] <WGGMk> cellowfellow: "ignoring unknown interface eth2=eth2" when running that
[07:56] <cdm10> displayconfig-gtk broke my system today.
[07:59] <Tomcat_> !stages > Tomcat_
[08:00] <cdm10> So, does this !stages thing go on in released versions of Ubuntu, or are stable version users prone to having their X broken?
[08:00] <cdm10> Tomcat_: You can /msg ubotu factoid if you want, instead of using a channel.
[08:00] <Tomcat_> Oh. Right. Sorry. ;)
[08:01] <cdm10> That's ok, it's not like the channel is very busy :)
[08:03] <Tomcat_> Yeah, I just should have remembered. I was specifically using the > operator... ;>
[08:03] <cdm10> Tomcat_: Well, that did half the job
[08:05] <snadge> sweet.. gutsy upgrade worked fine.. compiz works heaps better
[08:06] <cdm10> snadge: Which upgrade? What version of Compiz do you have?
[08:06] <snadge> i dont care if i dont get support its still better than windows :P
[08:06] <ppj> snadge, don't upgrade too much
[08:06] <ppj> you'll break it
[08:06] <cdm10> right...
[08:06] <newsense_07> anyone know of a gutsy package that includes the 3d windows plugin for compiz-=fusion ?
[08:06] <snadge> i went from feisty with amaranth's repo.. to current gutsy beta
[08:06] <cdm10> snadge: Ah, ok.
[08:06] <snadge> its LOADS better
[08:06] <cdm10> newsense_07: 3d windows?
[08:07] <cdm10> snadge: yup :)
[08:07] <newsense_07> windows stick out from cube
[08:07] <ppj> snadge, well theres an issue with nvidia right now so don't update too much
[08:07] <cdm10> newsense_07: I remember that being in Beryl, but I don't see it in my Compiz config thingy.
[08:07] <ppj> assuming youre using one
[08:07] <Amaranth> snadge: compiz isn't better the infrastructure is :)
[08:07] <cdm10> ppj: It's in the topic
[08:07] <Amaranth> ppj: no problem with nvidia
[08:07] <Tomcat_> newsense_07: I read that plugin was experimental and needs to be compiled from CVS/SVN.
[08:07] <newsense_07> cdm10: i think its in unsupported plugins
[08:07] <cdm10> Amaranth: Well, read the topic
[08:08] <snadge> i dist-upgraded to gutsy, so everything has updated and im using an nvidia 5200
[08:08] <snadge> whats the current nvidia issue?
[08:08] <Amaranth> cdm10: I'll just have to change the topic :P
[08:08] <cdm10> newsense_07: Ah, I don't think I have that installed. I'm curious what's in that...
[08:08] <cdm10> Amaranth: the stages are complete?
[08:08] <Amaranth> about 24 hours ago
[08:08] <ppj> really?
[08:08] <ppj> hm
[08:08] <newsense_07> cdm10: no package for it in gutsy i had a 3rd party repo in feisty but it never worked for me
[08:09] <Amaranth> really, the old kernel and l-r-m have even been removed from the archive already
[08:09] <snadge> is there a guide to performance tweaking compiz, specific to nvidia/ati chipset etc?
[08:09] <Amaranth> snadge: we've already tweaked it
[08:09] <Amaranth> except for one little part
[08:09] <snadge> good.. thats probably why it just runs quicker now
[08:09] <ppj> which part of the topic was about nvidia?
[08:09] <cdm10> newsense_07: That's weird, Feisty had a beryl-plugins-unsupported thingy.
[08:09] <cdm10> ppj: the !stages part.
[08:09] <ppj> oh
[08:09] <Amaranth> snadge: install compizconfig-settings-manager and set your refresh rate to whatever your real refresh rate is, disable autodetection
[08:09] <ppj> !stages
[08:09] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:09] <cdm10> If you read !stages, it mentions binary drivers.
[08:10] <ppj> oh god
[08:10] <newsense_07> Amaranth: dont you host a 3rd party repo for feisty that includes compiz-fusion packages ?
[08:10] <cdm10> Question: Do these stages occur on Feisty as well?
[08:10] <Amaranth> cdm10: yes
[08:10] <cdm10> Or whatever the current stable version is?
[08:10] <cdm10> Amaranth: so a stable user could accidentally upgrade their kernel before their restricted-modules?
[08:10] <snadge> yeah except i suspect feisty is going to be dumped in droves once gutsy is released ;)
[08:10] <cdm10> That seems quite dangerous.
[08:10] <Amaranth> cdm10: Yes but only if the kernel ABI changes
[08:10] <Amaranth> which basically never happens after release
[08:11] <Amaranth> I think it's happened twice since 2004
[08:11] <snadge> i dist upgraded with nvidia binary module.. rebooted, everything works better than expected
[08:11] <Amaranth> Maybe only once
[08:11] <cdm10> Amaranth: ABI?
[08:11] <cdm10> Amaranth: I'm not familiar with that :)
[08:11] <Amaranth> cdm10: binary interface
[08:11] <cdm10> ok.
[08:11] <cdm10> I definitely have had several kernel upgrades in Feisty.
[08:11] <Amaranth> cdm10: if it changes the nvidia driver has to be recompiled
[08:11] <DanaG> I'm using nvidia 100.14.19, and I fixed my dual-core freezing by installing irqbalance.
[08:11] <cdm10> Some of them changed my drive letters!
[08:11] <snadge> Amaranth: whats this one tweak that you didnt mention? :P
[08:11] <Amaranth> cdm10: but no ABI changes
[08:12] <Amaranth> cdm10: after feisty release?
[08:12] <Amaranth> snadge: I did mention
[08:12] <Amaranth> snadge: install compizconfig-settings-manager and set your refresh rate to whatever your real refresh rate is, disable autodetection
[08:12] <snadge> scrolls back.. ahh yes you did
[08:12] <cdm10> Amaranth: yup, it started out /dev/sda, and with my HD making a weird clicking noise on every shutdown. Then, a month later, there was an upgrade, and it switched to /dev/hda and no weird clicky noise. Then, another month later or so, it went back.
[08:13] <cdm10> Now, in Gutsy, it's /dev/sda but no clicky noise.
[08:13] <snadge> Amaranth: already did that in feisty, it has remembered too
[08:13] <Amaranth> cdm10: A change like that would not happen after release
[08:13] <Amaranth> snadge: ok then, it's pretty much as tuned as it gets
[08:13] <cdm10> Amaranth: Well, it did, and many people complained about their letters changing in #ubuntu.
[08:13] <Amaranth> cdm10: On upgrade, sure
[08:14] <cdm10> Amaranth: Nope, this was probably a few weeks after release.
[08:14] <cdm10> I helped quite a few people set back up their ntfs-3g drives that had changed.
[08:14] <snadge> very smooth, just used nvclock to tweak up my ram and gpu speeds a bit.. and now its gold ;)
[08:15] <ppj> does anyone know of a gui program to control fanspeeds?
[08:15] <cdm10> I'm STILL getting the black window bug, despite the fact that the nvidia-glx-new driver is supposed to fix that.
[08:15] <ppj> i'd like something i can quickly change
[08:16] <cdm10> So, what's the difference between compiz-compcomm-plugins-main and compiz-fusion-plugins-main?
[08:17] <newsense_07> ppj: i dont even know of a non gui app to do that, sorry
[08:18] <usser> cdm10: compcomm is the old name so theres probably older plugins there
[08:18] <cdm10> usser: Yeah, that would be my guess, but still... why is it in the repos?
[08:18] <ppj> newsense_07, theres a few that use config files
[08:18] <newsense_07> i need a repo for unsupported-plugins
[08:19] <snadge> actually.. im amazed at the difference gutsy has made to compiz, its heaps smoother.. i can rotate cube, use expo etc with streaming mp3 playing with visualisations, and it doesnt skip at all
[08:19] <usser> cdm10: dunno makes no sense maybe they forgot to delete after all gutsy still beta
[08:19] <DanaG> My system still seems to get bogged down when under heavy I/O.
[08:19] <newsense_07> ppJ:nothing included in ubuntu tha i know of personally
[08:19] <ppj> snadge, if you open a terminal and maximize it by double clicking the menu bar does it keep shaking?
[08:19] <cdm10> DanaG: Yeah, mine too, I think it's just an inherent weirdness of Linux.
[08:19] <cdm10> Flaw, if you will.
[08:20] <DanaG> I think it may partly be NVIDIA, too.
[08:20] <snadge> ppj: no.. it seems to work as intended
[08:20] <DanaG> Oh, and my hard drive is 5400rpm.  :(
[08:20] <ppj> mine keeps shaking like its convulsing
[08:20] <ppj> :<
[08:20] <snadge> emerald has crashed twice now actually.. thats kind of disturbing
[08:20] <snadge> and now metacity has autoreloaded
[08:21] <usser> ppj: yea does it here too
[08:22] <newsense_07> anyone know of a gutsy package that includes the 3d windows plugin for compiz-=fusion ?
[08:22] <usser> newsense_07: what does that plugin do?
[08:22] <DanaG> I just use gtk-window-decorator.
[08:22] <newsense_07> windows stick out from the cube
[08:22] <DanaG> I disabled emerald by chmodding it -x.
[08:23] <usser> newsense_07: its there
[08:23] <newsense_07> usser: whats the package name the plugin is in ?
[08:24] <DanaG> Aack, when I type italic letters, they turn into boxes!
[08:24] <usser> newsense_07: im trying to find it
[08:24] <DanaG> WTFhell?
[08:24] <DanaG> oops, that's an "!ohmy", almost.
[08:24] <cdm10> lol
[08:25] <macogw> newsense_07: i noticed i couldnt find it
[08:25] <magnetron> !lol | cdm10
[08:25] <ubotu> cdm10: Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[08:25] <newsense_07> usser: i had it when i was running feisty using a 3rd party repo and it was in compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported i believe
[08:25] <usser> newsense_07: i could have sworn i seen it in gutsy's compiz
[08:26] <usser> newsense_07: cant find it now
[08:26] <cdm10> magnetron: Fair enough...
[08:27] <cdm10> Wow, compizconfig-settings-manager has some BIG issues.
[08:27] <cdm10> Or maybe I do.
[08:27] <cdm10> I can't figure out how to disable a key shortcut.
[08:31] <heartsblood> how do I get the error reports to stop?
[08:32] <newsense_07> power button
[08:36] <cdm10> Has anyone noticed randomly disappearing mouse pointers?
[08:36] <cdm10> Like, sometimes, whenever I'm over a text field it disappears.
[08:36] <cdm10> Other times it disappears when it switches to the busy pointer.
[08:39] <wedderburn> hello all, recently i upgraded to the new kernel+ resticted modules now when ever i start gutsy i get a xorg error because the nvidia kernel module can't be loaded, also when i go to the restricted driver app its not loaded i click on it and it says to restart on restart its still unloaded
[08:39] <cdm10> !stages
[08:39] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Kernel gets updated in stages.  If you have the updated kernel, but do not have the corresponding restricted modules, you may be leaving yourself with no X when you reboot.  If you have compiled binary versions of your video driver, eg from the nVidia site, you will need to recompile them for the new kernel.  This is normal, and not a bug.
[08:40] <wedderburn> but i have the corresponding restricted modules
[08:40] <wedderburn> installed
[08:41] <wedderburn> brb
[08:42] <level1> hi, were the package issues from a couple of days ago fixed?
[08:43] <usser> level1: yes
[08:45] <level1> usser: is the RC out yet?
[08:46] <usser> level1: there will be no rc. i think its the last release till the actual release
[08:47] <level1> the beta you mean?
[08:47] <cdm10> Seriously?
[08:47] <usser> level1: yea
[08:47] <cdm10> I certainly hope not, the beta is BUGGY!
[08:47] <usser> cdm10: the updates are coming in every day
[08:47] <cdm10> Yeah.
[08:47] <cdm10> usser: The schedule says nothing about it being canceled.
[08:47] <cdm10> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseCandidate
[08:48] <level1> the only real bug I have left is a little problem with vesa and my screen resolution... otherwise its as close to a perfect release as I've ever had
[08:49] <cdm10> Well, my mouse cursors keep disappearing :(
[08:49] <heartsblood> why would mozilla crash if I type 'crash report detected' in the search box?
[08:49] <cdm10> heartsblood: That's WEIRD!
[08:49] <usser> cdm10: oh theres a rc hm somehow i was under the impression that ubuntu doesnt do rcs
[08:49] <cdm10> usser: Ah, ok. I thought you were saying it was canceled :)
[08:49] <heartsblood> cdm10: being funny, or serious?
[08:50] <cdm10> heartsblood: serious. It's really weird, if that's what it did.
[08:50] <level1> vesa is giving me 1600x1200 when I have a native resolution of 1920x1200
[08:50] <heartsblood> yeap.
[08:50] <heartsblood> that's not all
[08:50] <heartsblood> I keep getting spammed with a program crashing that isn't installed, and about every 3 seconds a window pops up saying movie player has crashed
[08:50] <cdm10> I wish they would change the default background. I mean, not only is it pretty ugly, but it's really bad quality! There are artifacts everywhere.
[08:50] <cdm10> heartsblood: ouch.
[08:51] <heartsblood> I dont even have totem installed atm I dont know wtf is going on :/
[08:51] <heartsblood> WHAT movie player?
[08:51] <heartsblood> is there anyway to increase the verbose lvl in the crash report thing?
[08:51] <defcon> anyone notice that gutsy loads gnome very slowly on boot
[08:52] <defcon> what is a good way to optimize boot/loading apps, feisty was much faster
[08:52] <defcon> dunno why, every special effect=disabled
[08:53] <heartsblood> is it possible to disable the crash report thing?
[08:53] <cdm10> Probably, but I don't know how.
[08:54] <heartsblood> ><
[08:56] <heartsblood> how do I change my tty fonts?  they changed when I upgraded to gutsy.
[09:15] <alecwh> Loving Gusty so far, but one small problem. The "window list" panel preferences dialog doesn't have a size option (where you can set minwidth and maxwidth) Screenshot: http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwindowlistprept1.png Can someone help?
[09:26] <darkchr0n0s> any idea if gutsy will work out of the box for ATi cards (mobility radeon x2300) and compiz-fusion also ?
[09:28] <VousDeux> I finally trapped an error with the guidance-power-manager: Warning: While setting SystemPowerManagement to  True :  org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.NotSupported: No powersave method found
[09:30] <VousDeux> heh...google found nothing about it in english
[09:33] <alecwh>  Loving Gusty so far, but one small problem. The "window list" panel preferences dialog doesn't have a size option (where you can set minwidth and maxwidth) Screenshot: http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwindowlistprept1.png Can someone help?
[09:38] <Tomcat_> !gusty
[09:38] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[09:41] <heartsblood> how do I change the font size on a tty screan and what is the program called that gnome is using to report program crashses?
[09:47] <Lynoure> heartsblood: these might work in ubuntu too:  consolechars -f /usr/share/consolefonts/font-file-name
[09:47] <Lynoure> heartsblood: and to change permanently, edit SCREEN_FONT in /etc/console-tools/config
[09:50] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[10:14] <level1> how can I use konqueror instead of dolphin as the default file manager?
[10:15] <Evanlec> u using kubuntu?
[10:16] <level1> Evanlec: yeah
[10:17] <level1> Evanlec: if there was a #kubuntu+1 I'd ask there :)
[10:17] <bicycledaav1> hi all, after upgraded to gusty, cupsys doesn't work well: /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket failed
[10:19] <pvandewyngaerde> level,      rigt click a folder , properties,   type folder >  click icon on the right >  set to open with konqueror
[10:20] <pvandewyngaerde> level1:  that should do the trick
[10:20] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: I left windows a year ago, and as it happens, windows had a really annoying bug related to this
[10:21] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: it kept opening the search utility when I clicked on a folder with no way to fix it
[10:21] <pvandewyngaerde> related ?? how can this ?
[10:22] <pvandewyngaerde> level1:    did it work ?
[10:23] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: I could still "use" the computer, but it was really annoying... I considering moving to linux anyway
[10:24] <pvandewyngaerde> i meant did it work to change  to konqueror with my instructions ?
[10:24] <level1> pvandewyngaerde: yes, thanks
[10:27] <pavi> hello , i have openssl installed and up to date , but when installing a particular software , i get error " cant open libssl.so.4 : no such file or directory " , is there any way to solve the problem ???? thanks
[10:31] <dissection> Anyone know if Gutsy will have a Blu-Ray movie player when its officially released?
[10:34] <pvandewyngaerde> dissection:   personnaly i dont think so
[10:35] <dissection> :[
[10:35] <pvandewyngaerde> it has to do with the  decryption
[10:36] <dissection> Can't it play the same way as it plays in Windows, right from the Disc?
[10:37] <mmkassem> dissection: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/BluRayAndHDDVD
[10:37] <dissection> Yeah, I've seen that. But that talks about ripping the movie to the hard drive.
[10:50] <Tomcat_> dissection: There's no legal Blu-ray player for Linux, so you'll have to do it that way. :I
[10:53] <DraconPern> persistence broken in beta/
[10:53] <DraconPern> ?
[10:54] <_Jaak_> displayconfig-gtk the one currently in the repo's is it kindoff the final version being released 18 oct?
[10:55] <ba5e> #vmware
[10:57] <_Jaak_> Is there anyone else that has no bottom gnome panel on startup (auto login)?
[10:57] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: I've had that once... clicking & dragging where the bottom panel should have been fixed it.
[10:58] <_Jaak_> kk
[10:58] <DraconPern> is launchpad having problems?
[10:58] <WGGMk> whats the command to list available usb drives?
[10:58] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: lsusb
[10:58] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: thanks
[10:59] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: how bout there mount points
[10:59] <_Jaak_> displayconfig-gtk isn't really working fine for me, not on a nvidia nor an a ati
[10:59] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: For USB drives, they are usually generated automatically, and lie in /media/<name>
[11:00] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: well this is really a cellphone connected via usb
[11:00] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Check syslog for items when you plugged it in. It might say something.
[11:00] <_Jaak_> Tomcat_, thanks it's fixed
[11:01] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Seems to be some compiz bug... hope it won't occur too often.
[11:01] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: sorry, where is the syslog located?
[11:01] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: /var/log/syslog
[11:02] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: What graphics card btw?
[11:02] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: thanks
[11:02] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Might be interesting if it happens more often.
[11:02] <_Jaak_> eeuhm nv7600gs atix600
[11:02] <Tomcat_> Mh. Okay, no match. :)
[11:03] <_Jaak_> displayconfig-gtk, kinda messes up my xorg.conf everytime i try it out
[11:03] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: File a bug then... :o
[11:03] <_Jaak_> yes i was but i don't know how to write it down
[11:04] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Write down what you did in displayconfig. Attach your old xorg.conf and your new one... describe how it's messed up for you.
[11:05] <_Jaak_> ok
[11:05] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: Don't forget version numbers of your Ubuntu installation + displayconfig, and your graphics card/display info.
[11:06] <Tomcat_> _Jaak_: When you're finished I can have a look at it to check what else might be neede.
[11:06] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: im not to sure on what i should be looking for.. it show's when its removed and added.. but i think it cant identify it properly
[11:06] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Plug in the cell phone and check syslog... the last couple of lines should tell you something about the new USB device.
[11:07] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Something like this: Oct  7 08:26:44 Hal9000 kernel: [ 4894.248799]  usb 1-9: new high speed USB devic
[11:07] <Tomcat_> e using ehci_hcd and address 4
[11:07] <_Jaak_> ok
[11:07] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: yea, but Im too dumb to go from there (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39829/)
[11:08] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Well, where do you want to go?
[11:09] <Tomcat_> The cell is attached and loaded as usb device... good so far.
[11:09] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: being able to mount the phone with read/write ability
[11:09] <Tomcat_> Mh... okay. Somebody needs to take over. No idea. ;)
[11:10] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: where though.. i can sudo mount /dev/cellphone location /media/cell if i know where its attached
[11:10] <Tomcat_> Yes, that's the question.
[11:10] <WGGMk> *sigh* thanks for the help so far.. anyone have any thoughts
[11:10] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Do you see anything unusual in Places => Computer?
[11:11] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Sometimes devices are in there and need to be mounted manually (double click)
[11:11] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: same old stuff
[11:11] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: If the cell has some USB options on the device, check if they are "correct"... like, attach as mass storage device, etc.
[11:12] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: they dont have those options
[11:12] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Mh. :\
[11:12] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: ?
[11:13] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Was my last try. I don't know... maybe the cell phone needs special software. :o
[11:15] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: yea i thought that, but BitPim says most linux kernel's support USB phones
[11:16] <Tomcat_> WGGMk: Really depends on the phone though. If the phone doesn't announce a USB mass storage device, I doubt it's supported...
[11:17] <WGGMk> Tomcat_: =(
[11:17] <WGGMk> welp thanks for the help.. enough headaches for tonight.. gnite all
[11:19] <uga> heh, mots usb phones I saw so far are no much more than a simple usb sound card
[11:19] <uga> (in phone shape)
[11:28] <tokorona> Strigi is apparently notsuch a great idea.
[11:35] <phyrewall> gee this channel is active...
[11:36] <phyrewall> anyone able to get Envy to work under Gutsy?
[11:42] <gogeta> heh
[11:42] <gogeta> beta forgot to add xp to grub
[12:01] <freezerburn> I couldn't do a clean install of gutsy because somewhere in the install things get jumbled so I installed feisty first and now it seems I fumbled the gutsy upgrade.  I've got the alternate cd but it keeps wanting to do a partial upgrade, will that work or should I do something else?
[12:02] <phyrewall> for the most part, yes
[12:02] <gogeta> err
[12:02] <gogeta> most part beta is doing ok
[12:02] <gogeta> but grub does not list xp
[12:02] <phyrewall> I upgraded my feisty using update-manager -d
[12:02] <phyrewall> only a few major quirks... but easily solved
[12:02] <Amaranth> gogeta: Clean install?
[12:03] <phyrewall> either way, it's still a beta...
[12:03] <Amaranth> phyrewall: beta means almost done :
[12:03] <gogeta> yea
[12:03] <Amaranth> :P
[12:03] <phyrewall> the only real benifit is the newer kernel images, and I think you can manually upgrade those anyway
[12:04] <freezerburn> I'm just trying to do a clean ugrade again without the partial upgrade option can someone help me with that?
[12:04] <Amaranth> phyrewall: We are 11 days from release, if something doesn't work right now it's probably not going to be fixed.
[12:04] <gogeta> lol
[12:04] <gogeta> well
[12:04] <Amaranth> gogeta: Ok then, known issue
[12:04] <gogeta> fix?
[12:04] <Amaranth> If it was an upgrade from feisty something would be really wrong because update-grub isn't supposed to change that part of the file
[12:04] <gogeta> i tryed edting it manuly
[12:04] <schreder> where can I get xvid codec for totem?
[12:05] <Amaranth> gogeta: Oh, you don't know how to add it manualy
[12:05] <Amaranth> hmm
[12:05] <gogeta> tryed
[12:05] <Amaranth> schreder: Try to play an xvid file, it'll do all the work
[12:05] <gogeta> faile at it
[12:05] <schreder> yeah i know it shoult ask me if I want to search for a codec, but it just refuses to play the file
[12:06] <gogeta> title 		Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
[12:06] <gogeta> root 		(hd0,1)
[12:06] <gogeta> makeactive
[12:06] <gogeta> chainloader 	+1
[12:06] <gogeta> failed
[12:07] <Amaranth> gogeta: That's what I was going to tell you to do...
[12:07] <Amaranth> ouch
[12:07] <Amaranth> how does it fail?
[12:07] <bazhang> !bug#1
[12:07] <gogeta> says its not volid
[12:07] <gogeta> valid
[12:07] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[12:07] <gogeta> LOL
[12:07] <Amaranth> gogeta: try rootnoverify
[12:08] <phyrewall> Amaranth: yeah. I know.. I'm not complaining. I just wish there was... more to see upgraded, ya know?
[12:08] <schreder> Video codec 'XviD' is not handled. You might need to install additional plugins to be able to play some types of movies
[12:08] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Compiz is a big one
[12:08] <phyrewall> I mean, I've always run Compiz-Fusion, so that's not "new" to me...
[12:08] <Amaranth> phyrewall: heh
[12:09] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Trust me, it works much better in gutsy
[12:09] <Brucevdk> schreder: libxvidcore4 perhaps?
[12:09] <phyrewall> Amaranth: true, it being integrated maybe means more support for it.
[12:09] <schreder> tried it, didn't help
[12:09] <Amaranth> phyrewall: We've made changes to other apps to make it all fit in
[12:09] <phyrewall> Amaranth: are you running Gutsy?
[12:09] <Amaranth> schreder: You're using totem, right?
[12:09] <schreder> yeah
[12:09] <Amaranth> schreder: and gutsy?
[12:09] <schreder> yeah
[12:09] <schreder> :)
[12:09] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Since day 1
[12:09] <schreder> well it broke after I upgraded
[12:09] <Amaranth> schreder: That dialog should have a button that will install the codec for you
[12:09] <phyrewall> don't suppose you'd whisper me your sources.list ?? :)
[12:10] <Amaranth> phyrewall: It's stock
[12:10] <phyrewall> boring!   Anyone know what's up?
[12:10] <Amaranth> gogeta: Then your windows partition is dead
[12:11] <gogeta> noope
[12:11] <Amaranth> schreder: Ok then, install gstreamer0.10-*
[12:11] <gogeta> i mounted it in linux
[12:11] <gogeta> its alive
[12:11] <Amaranth> gogeta: Dunno what to tell you, I don't use Windows
[12:11] <Amaranth> gogeta: And the setup you have _should_ work
[12:11] <phyrewall> glad to see the esd error was fixed today
[12:11] <Amaranth> gogeta: if you could give a more accurate error message...
[12:12] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Because seeing a message about esd missing once (and only on a terminal) is so painful, eh? :P
[12:12] <gogeta> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39832/
[12:12] <gogeta> not valed or expection then goes back to grub
[12:12] <phyrewall> again, not complaing, just happy. I'm a sysadmin by trade, error msgs annoy me. I want my engine to purr, ya know?
[12:12] <gogeta> thrs my config
[12:12] <schreder> amaranth, that didn't help either. Maybe I should remove some old configs? I tried reinstalling totem, but with no luck..
[12:13] <Amaranth> gogeta: Ok, first of all, don't put it inside the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST section
[12:13] <Amaranth> gogeta: it'll get wiped out on the next kernel update
[12:13] <Amaranth> schreder: Weird, if you installed all those packages you definitely have xvid support
[12:13] <gogeta> its the menulist
[12:13] <Amaranth> schreder: Unless you're using totem-xine
[12:14] <phyrewall> Amaranth: Are the Commercial repos for Gutsy going active in 11 days as well?
[12:14] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Probably not
[12:14] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Only thing in there is realplayer and opera anyway
[12:14] <gogeta> but k
[12:15] <phyrewall> true. so, are Trevinos repos pointless now that compiz is integrated?
[12:15] <gogeta> no problem moving it
[12:15] <gogeta> anything else
[12:15] <bazhang> phyrewall: yes
[12:15] <Amaranth> phyrewall: They were always worthless
[12:16] <Amaranth> Oh, you said pointless :P
[12:16] <phyrewall> ouch!
[12:16] <phyrewall> so, on my beloved Dell XPS M170 laptop, running Gutsy, the only repos I should ever want are the stock? Is that what you're selling? :)
[12:16] <schreder> amaranth, ah thanks for that one.. totem-xine package was the problem, removed it, installed totem again and everything works now :)
[12:16] <Amaranth> gogeta: dunno what to tell you, see if you can find something on google
[12:17] <Amaranth> phyrewall: Yes :)
[12:17] <Amaranth> phyrewall: The only thing you'll probably want to add is libdvdcss
[12:17] <freezerburn> there we go, downloading the alternate cd for an upgrade is so much faster than downloading each part
[12:17] <phyrewall> allrighty, commenting out every non-stock repo... :)
[12:17] <Amaranth> phyrewall: We even have the improved font rendering stuff in gutsy now :)
[12:18] <phyrewall> last repo question... lol... what about medibuntu?
[12:18] <phyrewall> God, maybe I should clean install then... dammit.
[12:18] <Amaranth> well w32codecs is only useful for realmedia but you might want to snag libdvdcss2 from it
[12:18] <phyrewall> I probably have tons of trash on my system now that everything's builtin.
[12:19] <apecat> hmm, what should i do, i have a freshly installed gutsy system on a machine that needs the following compiled to get a functioning network interface (and it's a goddamn minipci motherboard i bought from a friend, no free pci slots for any of the random old 3com nics i have around) http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
[12:19] <phyrewall> woah... apecat... use tinyurl pls
[12:19] <apecat> the problem is that i obviously don't have any compilers and kernel-headers/sources
[12:19] <freezerburn> I had a problem with graphics drivers and old compiz and I had upgraded the past 5 or 6 releases guess it was time to do the clean install
[12:19] <rhalff> Hi I'm at the console of the beta installer cd, X just failed and I changed the driver to nvidia instead of nv, any clue on how I can continue the installation process ?
[12:20] <apecat> phyrewall: hehmm, sry, i have a wide irssi window, didn't realize the lenght of it
[12:20] <Amaranth> apecat: Actually a clean install includes everything you need to compile a kernel module
[12:20] <apecat> zomg
[12:20] <Amaranth> Since, oh, dapper or edgy
[12:20] <apecat> woot.. nobody told me x)
[12:21] <apecat> thx
[12:21] <rhalff> how to restart the setup process at the console of the install cd ?
[12:22] <gogeta> hummm\
[12:22] <gogeta> maybe it did eat windows
[12:22] <gogeta> grub error13
[12:23] <phyrewall> ok, my sources.list is nasty.. I can't remember what's supposed to be there and what's not... can someone send me a link to the stock Gutsy one?
[12:24] <phyrewall> wait.. I'm being dumb...
[12:24] <phyrewall> sigh.. I can't believe I forgot the "Software Sources" app.
[12:24] <bazhang> phyrewall: you did a fresh install or through terminal?
[12:25] <stefg> !easysource
[12:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:25] <phyrewall> terminal... well actually through update-manager -d
[12:25] <bazhang> should be -c -d right?
[12:26] <phyrewall> ummm. I just put -d. maybe I assed that up.
[12:26] <AnRkey> I cant change my window borders in gutsy. No matter what I choose it stays the same (compiz on)
[12:26] <AnRkey> compiz off and I can change the borders
[12:27] <gogeta> fixed
[12:27] <gogeta> it was my formation
[12:28] <gogeta> wasent 0,1 was 0,1
[12:28] <phyrewall> running "Software Sources" and removing all the 3rd party sources should get me back to stock I assume.
[12:28] <gogeta> i mean 0,0
[12:29] <bazhang> phyrewall: yup.
[12:29] <Tomcat_> phyrewall: Installed 3rd party software won't be removed though.
[12:30] <phyrewall> well, yeah. but it'll keep 3rd party updates from installing.
[12:30] <phyrewall> but....
[12:30] <Tomcat_> phyrewall: Yes. :)
[12:30] <phyrewall> I'm getting the "clean install itch" now...
[12:30] <phyrewall> hmmm...
[12:31] <phyrewall> dammit!
[12:31] <phyrewall> I left windows cause I got the clean install itch at least monthly....
[12:33] <gogeta> to make windows boot by defult i change it to boot entry 3 correct
[12:33] <gogeta> been a wile hear
[12:33] <gogeta> sence it direct boots now rather have to start windows unles esc is pressed
[12:37] <njende> Hi folks!
[12:38] <njende> will anyone tell me, with which kernel gutsy comes along?
[12:38] <phyrewall> atm, 2.6.22-13-generic
[12:39] <njende> cool...that should do...thx
[12:39] <phyrewall> actually, that's from the latest update. I think the CD is 22-12?
[12:40] <njende> phyrewall: I hope than thats the one I'm actually the one I'm doenloading
[12:40] <savvas> I think 2.6.22-10-generic
[12:40] <phyrewall> ah. either way, 2.6.22 instead of 20
[12:40] <savvas> or maybe that's from the tribe 5, can't remember
[12:41] <Franken> Hey! Do you guys know if the 3d support is back for NV+Compiz Fusion yet? I know the last packages were broken and that reinstalling GG wouldn't help.
[12:42] <savvas> hm..
[12:42] <savvas> Franken: nvidia & compiz work here
[12:42] <Franken> savvas, they do? And you're using Gutsy and the latest updates?
[12:42] <savvas> yep
[12:42] <savvas> :)
[12:42] <savvas> all the new toys!
[12:42] <njende> phyrewall: *g* I'm pretty much in some kinda trouble, as two new machines wont boot with the latest debian testing cd. One has major probs with the onboad SATA [ATI]  controller, the other one - its a Notebook - has got probs with SiS chipsets [hdd/nic]
[12:43] <njende> the client had on my mind to get a debian, but he'll be happy with whatever distro as long as its debian-based
[12:43] <njende> so I thought gutsy might be a goer
[12:45] <njende> Franken: wow...that's been long
[12:45] <njende> ;)
[12:45] <Franken> :P
[12:48] <_Argasm> in Services, what is "User Folders Update" and "Visual" ??? and do I need them enabled ???
[12:50] <_Argasm> anyone talking ???
[12:51] <_Argasm> in Services, what is "User Folders Update" and "Visual" ??? and do I need them enabled ???
[12:52] <Franken> savvas, you there m8?
[12:52] <Franken> I have a question for ya =)
[12:53] <_Argasm> I think everyone is sleeping :P
[12:53] <Franken> Aye, seems to be the case here :P
[12:54] <Franken> Thing is that I can't get Gutsy+latest updates+NV7950GT+Compiz to work.
[12:54] <Franken> It did work swell untill a few days ago when some updates came down with an attitude
[12:54] <Evanlec> is there a command to put my monitor in power-save mode (aka off)
[12:54] <_Argasm> that's way over my head I'm afraid...  dont even use compiz
[12:55] <Franken> _Argasm, cheers anyways m8. I think it's over my head too =)
[12:55] <_Argasm> lol...  still figuring out the new services in 7.10... got things I need disabled
[12:56] <Franken> Hehe, if I were you I'd just let them be. Atleast untill Gutsy is released in sharp-mode.
[12:57] <_Argasm> good point... am always tweaking my file systems for speed and low-memory footprints... ;) had XP down to 40mb mem at one point and booting in 10 secs... but Ubuntu kicks it's ass
[12:57] <Franken> Yeah! I started out with Ubuntu 2 months ago and threw out every MS-OS I had on all my comps.  Have to reboot =)
[12:59] <Bosambo> Hi all
[12:59] <_Argasm> hylje: DLS is pretty good, but I like all the features of Ubuntu & Gnome... I just like turning OFF things I dont need or use like the file Indexing and srevices
[01:06] <bsm> Hi, ideas anyone where ipw3945d-`uname -r went after the latest update?
[01:06] <bsm> or at least in which package it should be?
[01:06] <_Argasm> has anyone had any trouble setting up their wireless card when they switched to 7.10 ???
[01:07] <bazhang> bsm: you could search packages.ubuntu.com
[01:07] <bazhang> or !pin
[01:07] <bazhang> !pin
[01:07] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[01:07] <bazhang> oops, wrong command sorry ubotu
[01:10] <bsm> ah, he forgot to upgrade the restricted modules somehow...
[01:10] <bazhang> bsm: that would do it...
[01:11] <luca> hi everyone
[01:11] <OldPink> Been using nothing but Ubuntu for over a year now, usually upgrade to the next release at RC time, thinking of upgrading to Gutsy now, have some free time, what do you think, is it ready, am I ready for it? :)
[01:11] <luca> am I the only one for whom Gnome stopped working altogether?
[01:11] <bazhang> hi luca!
[01:11] <luca> hi :)
[01:11] <bazhang> well since I use KDE, yes?
[01:12] <luca> I solved the Nvidia problem btw - installed the binary driver :P
[01:12] <luca> well myself I am a KDE guy :)
[01:12] <bazhang> yess!
[01:12] <luca> but today I tried login into Gnome both with KDM and GDM...and I cannot.
[01:12] <bazhang> what's the gnome issue then?
[01:12] <tech0007> hi everyone!
[01:12] <luca> nice to see there are other KDE people around :D
[01:12] <bazhang> hi tech0007!
[01:13] <luca> yeah no real issue...but it stinks :(
[01:13] <bazhang> talk to the gnome people about that..haha
[01:13] <tech0007> im on feisty right now..is gutsy ready for me hehe
[01:13] <tech0007> i mean is gusty stable enough?
[01:13] <bazhang> tech0007: the question should be are you ready for Gutsy?
[01:13] <bazhang> stable here.