[12:02] <libben> cause my windows drive wich is never used, well likely not used when im on kubuntu, would be nice to spin down, its a bit noisy.
[12:03] <libben> djk_: u know ?
[12:03] <djk_> no i don't.
[12:03] <libben> k
[12:03] <libben> Riddell:
[12:03] <Riddell> libben: hmm?
[12:03] <libben> spin down a hdd?
[12:03] <libben> is it bad?
[12:03] <manveru> libben: you want to go through everyone in this channel?
[12:03] <libben> nope
[12:03] <djk_> manveru: you can have my sloppy seconds :p
[12:04] <Riddell> no idea what you're talking about
[12:04] <libben> manveru: i just pick the one i think would be best for my question.
[12:04] <manveru> djk_: my parents for example would rather click an icon twice if nothing happens immediatly
[12:04] <libben> spin down a harddrive, so it wont make such much noise
[12:04] <manveru> libben: afaik it's not bad - and you can do that somehow via acpi or apm, but i'm not sure at all
[12:05] <djk_> manveru: i know these kind of users.. impatient users... my father would be an example as well
[12:05] <manveru> djk_: now, loading a splash is _really_ fast, compared with loading amarok twice
[12:06] <manveru> amarok will eventually find out that it is already running and cancel the loading, but it's too late already
[12:07] <djk_> manveru: sure, but i still don't like them.
[12:07] <manveru> however, my choice would be - put a splash in for everyone who doesn't care and provide the option to turn it off
[12:08] <djk_> that'd be good.
[12:08] <djk_> yay
[12:08] <manveru> hehe
[12:08] <libben> manveru: is there anyway to turn of a drive? like tell it to not be active, or wait, that is what spindown can do? like spin it down so it stops, the spin it up again?
[12:09] <manveru> libben: i know this only from cdroms...
[12:09] <libben> k
[12:09] <libben> reading on the forums, trying to find a solution
[12:10] <manveru> yeah... better buy a new HD ^^
[12:10] <manveru> i mean - noisy _and_ windows - that justifies a new clean HD with reiser4
[12:10] <sampan> it must be -possible- since winxp can do it -- dunno if k/ubuntu has that capability though
[12:12] <sampan> i used to have my winxp set to power off the HDs after 2 hours of non-activity, when they were needed there was a delay as they were powered back on -- never had a problem with it and my drives are fairly old, so i suspect it doesn't do any harm to the drives
[12:12] <djk_> manveru: is reiser4 supported in kubuntu?
[12:13] <manveru> djk_: the kernel does - why shouldn't it work?
[12:13] <libben> manveru: reiser4 ?
[12:13] <Delvien> Any samba experts here?
[12:13] <manveru> djk_: the problem might be grub... there is no support for reiser4 until version 1.0
[12:13] <djk_> manveru: i dont know, just 2-3 months or so ago someone said something about reiserfs/4 not being a good choice in k/ubuntu
[12:14] <djk_> manveru: and i don't remember seeing reiser4 in the partitioning options during installation of breezy
[12:14] <manveru> djk_: of course not... even grml supports it only partially
[12:15] <manveru> djk_: it's still too unsupported overall - no point in including it in ubuntu
[12:15] <djk_> i'd have given it a try..
[12:15] <manveru> oh, it's impressive... my laptop runs on it
[12:15] <djk_> there's something magical about reiser :)
[12:16] <libben> *p00f*
[12:16] <manveru> i'm glad enough it's not ext3 - never had anything but problems with it
[12:16] <djk_> really?
[12:16] <Delvien> Anyone here know alot about SAMBA?
[12:16] <kkathman> Delvien: a bit...wassup?
[12:16] <manveru> ext3 crashes my harddisks like cornflakes ^^
[12:17] <djk_> i thought ext3 was _the_ foolproof option
[12:17] <Delvien> kkathman i cant seem to get it running
[12:17] <djk_> interesting.
[12:17] <kkathman> Delvien: what have you done?
[12:17] <Delvien> kkathman im runing vmware on my PC, and cant get it to see the linux box
[12:17] <manveru> djk_: well, i also _hate_ the fscks all the time
[12:18] <kkathman> Delvien: Vmware on Windows?
[12:18] <djk_> manveru: so i assume it's rather unlikely to see reiser4 in dapper?
[12:18] <Delvien> kkathman no im running VMWARE on linux, vmware is running a windows XP copy
[12:18] <manveru> djk_: exactly - maybe in half a year...
[12:18] <kkathman> ohhh hmmm thats confusing...so I dont really have much experience with samba under vmware
[12:19] <kkathman> my guess is that vmware might be inhibiting pass through
[12:19] <Delvien> kkathman sigh im running linux root, not under vmware
[12:19] <nowisn> hello all
[12:19] <Delvien> kkathman so samba is running nativley
[12:19] <kkathman> ahh
[12:19] <kkathman> ok
[12:19] <djk_> manveru: maybe the progress would be faster if people could test it :)  how did you get it on your lappy?
[12:19] <manveru> djk_: it's depending on grub for the most part - since that's what ubuntu uses, and grub needs some nasty hacks to support it now
[12:19] <Delvien> kkathman the same thing is happening iwht my GFs XP pro laptop
[12:19] <kkathman> well honestly there isnt much to do except to ensure the samba daemon is running
[12:19] <Delvien> kkathman i wanted to isolate it so i knew it wasnt just her PC
[12:20] <Delvien> kkathman ugh
[12:20] <manveru> djk_: grml is the distro of my notebook...
[12:20] <kkathman> if you are native
[12:20] <kkathman> Delvien: you can do a sudo /etc/inet.d/samba start  or  restart to see
[12:20] <djk_> manveru: ah okay.
[12:21] <Delvien> kkathman command not found
[12:21] <kkathman> ??
[12:21] <kinfo> what?
[12:21] <Delvien> kkathman ah, init.d
[12:22] <kkathman> sorry typo
[12:22] <kkathman> init.d yah
[12:22] <kkathman> sorry
[12:22] <kkathman> duh
[12:22] <djk_> manveru: could you take a look at that and tell me if it's useful?
[12:22] <manveru> djk_: could you do that again... lost the window
[12:23] <djk_> useful regarding people who need it..
[12:23] <manveru> hmm
[12:24] <manveru> well, there are loads of bootdisks out there - doesn't matter wich one we use
[12:25] <djk_> yea, there were 2 or 3 people in the past few days with old crappy BIOS. that's why i looked for a prog and added it^^
[12:26] <djk_> just wanted to know whether this is a good link or not.
[12:27] <manveru> i guess it is
[12:28] <manveru> would have to try the stuff to find out :)
[12:28] <nowisn> hey ther I'm new to linux and I thought I'd give kubuntu a try so can someone help me out, now I installed it on a P3 500 lappy, Eurocom 3420 with a MDC Modem which kubuntu cannot find?
[12:28] <djk_> manveru: i don't have a working floppy drive :)
[12:28] <nowisn> any way I can get it to find my modem cause i've been through all the kppp settings
[12:29] <manveru> djk_: got two, but on my current computer the cdrom is not working anymore... never used it anyway ^^
[12:30] <djk_> manveru: i could trade you a dvd-drive i haven't used in years hehe
[12:30] <manveru> lol
[12:30] <djk_> nowisn: are you on a pppoe connection?
[12:31] <manveru> it's funny to see how much i needed a cdrom on win... now on linux i rarely think about it
[12:31] <manveru> but of course there is a correlation about how much games i played - and instead now i'm coding
[12:32] <jeda> when i first installed kubuntu I could see my slave drive, I did updates and now I cant
[12:33] <jeda> is that somehting I need to edit the fstab or what?
[12:33] <djk_> yea.. and even so now i don't really need the cd-drive anymore because the games i still play are abandoned games, thus freely available downloads :)
[12:34] <manveru> jeda: what are 'updates' ? - and what's your slave-drive?
[12:34] <jeda> updates, I did adept to check for updates and said there were 4 so did them, and slave drive is a 40g ide drive
[12:36] <manveru> ok - where did you see it before?
[12:36] <jeda> when I went into system / storage media
[12:37] <manveru> you don't remember what updates that were?
[12:37] <jeda> there were 4 and no I dont, however if I go into disk and file system in system settings I see it there however it isnt showing enabled
[12:37] <jeda> so not sure how to enable that
[12:38] <manveru> click on it?
[12:38] <jeda> i did and nothing
[12:39] <manveru> hmm
[12:39] <jeda> I tried to set up a shortcut going to /hdb1 and says it isnt listed in /etc/dtab
[12:39] <manveru> i don't think something changed your fstab - since the disk is showing up
[12:39] <jeda> true
[12:39] <jeda> so looked at fstab and sure nough not there
[12:40] <manveru> hmm
[12:40] <jeda>  so was going to edit that but wasnt sure what that might make happen good or bad lol
[12:40] <manveru> ok, so let's edit it
[12:40] <manveru> !fstab
[12:40] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the winmac_fstab file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab  See <partitions>.
[12:40] <jeda> cool thanks
[12:40] <manveru> hmm, nothing new there
[12:40] <jeda> just found a new issue also lol
[12:41] <jeda> my amerok was playing shoutcast streams
[12:41] <jeda> now it just buffers to 100 and starts over???
[12:41] <jeda> so no streamage
[12:41] <djk_> i don't know.. the winmac_fstab script is ridiculous.. it chooses the worst names..
[12:41] <jeda> bah
[12:41] <manveru> djk_: indeed... but you have to give everyone advices how to use it anyway...
[12:41] <djk_> true
[12:42] <manveru> maybe some link for describing what fstab is could help more
[12:42] <jeda> so I just follow that page?
[12:42] <djk_> maybe i'm partial because due to that dumb name it picked i lost my hda1..
[12:42] <jeda> why cant i just hand code it into the fstab?
[12:42] <jeda> or would that not be a good thing
[12:43] <djk_> jeda: you can.
[12:43] <manveru> jeda: of course you can
[12:43] <manveru> just give us some information of what this disk contains
[12:43] <jeda> ok so if I add it and it isnt typed right then it just wont find it right?
[12:43] <manveru> filesystem/mountpoint/dev-mapping
[12:43] <jeda> the disk contains all my backup data
[12:43] <manveru> yeah
[12:44] <jeda> from when I was running win32 but I have left that field and will never go back
[12:44] <manveru> maybe contains was the wrong word :)
[12:44] <jeda> but I need my data lol
[12:44] <jeda> hehe
[12:44] <manveru> so it's fat32?
[12:44] <jeda> should be ntfs
[12:44] <djk_> maybe a fdisk -l would be good..
[12:44] <jeda> but since it was slave during a ntfs system then it is prob fat
[12:44] <manveru> i see... only wonder if ntfs still is vfat
[12:44] <manveru> Hobbsee: you're the right man on the right time
[12:45] <Hobbsee> morning manveru - and i'm actually a woman :P
[12:45] <jeda> fdsik bad.....?
[12:45] <manveru> Hobbsee: damn... ^^
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:45] <jeda> on win32 I fdisk drives before old school formats
[12:45] <Hobbsee> manveru: well you'll know for next time :P
[12:45] <djk_> manveru: ntfs is ntfs ..
[12:46] <manveru> it is?
[12:46] <manveru> you know, it's been years since i had to do with this stuff
[12:46] <djk_> according to
[12:46] <djk_> !windowsdrives
[12:46] <ubotu> hmm... windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[12:46] <manveru> back then ntfs was _really_ experimental :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:46] <nowisn> djk I'm trying dialup to 295.ca 56 k isp only
[12:46] <manveru> djk_: hey, searched for that...
[12:47] <djk_> :)
[12:47] <nowisn> sorry stepped out for a minute there
[12:47] <djk_> manveru: after fixing all the factoids i know where to look for what :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> djk_: what'd you fix that one to?  i thought it was right
[12:47] <manveru> hehe... is there some list i can get of the topics?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> !ubotu
[12:47] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> from that link, yes
[12:48] <manveru> k, thx
[12:48] <djk_> no
[12:48] <djk_> !list
[12:48] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, list is you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[12:48] <djk_> manveru: go to the first link. there are the 780+ factoids
[12:48] <jeda> nice
[12:48] <manveru> might help me helping
[12:48] <jeda> I am going to try the dstab real quick
[12:48] <djk_> Hobbsee: i checked out all the 780 factoids and fixed the ones with wrong http links
[12:48] <jeda> brb to let you know how it turned out
[12:48] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:49] <djk_> Hobbsee: people don't pay attention to the punctuation when they enter factoids, thus there were incorrect links containing a . or , or ; or similar
[12:50] <djk_> so... ignore punctuation when entering a link ;)
[12:50] <nowisn> ah i booted up kubuntu and i get an error  /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> djk_: so true, i do fix them up too
[12:52] <Brokendreams> hello
[12:52] <Brokendreams> i need help with apt-get thingy
[12:52] <Brokendreams> it says
[12:52] <Brokendreams> E: Couldn't find package frozen-bubble
[12:52] <djk_> what seems to be the problem
[12:53] <Hobbsee> !info frozen-bubble
[12:53] <ubotu> frozen-bubble: (Pop out the bubbles !), section universe/games, is extra. Version: 1.0.0-6 (breezy), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 356 kB
[12:53] <Hobbsee> !repos
[12:53] <ubotu> well, repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[12:53] <Hobbsee> make sure you have universe repo enabled
[12:53] <Brokendreams> me?
[12:53] <Brokendreams> how do i do that?
[12:53] <djk_> yes, you
[12:54] <jeda> ok had an error was wandering if someone could tell me what this means
[12:54] <djk_> read the links
[12:54] <jeda> error: libhal_device_get_property_type: org.freedesktop.Hal.NoSuchDevice: No device with id /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/block_3_6
[12:54] <jeda> Added /dev/hdb1 as '/media/0 GB Disk (hdb1)'
[12:54] <jeda> NTFS drives will be mounted read-only!
[12:54] <djk_> !pastebin
[12:54] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:54] <Hobbsee> how do i force kubuntu to sync to the ntp.ubuntu server?
[12:54] <djk_> isn't that server down?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> djk_: got no idea - dapper doesnt start the networking for some reason, so it gives me the wrong time
[12:55] <Hobbsee> then when i change the time, i have problems with sudo
[12:55] <djk_> i dislike internet-synching..
[12:55] <jeda> sorry will pastebin next time
[12:55] <jeda> but anyone know about that error?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> jeda: NTFS is always mounted as read only
[12:56] <jeda> no the org.freedesktop error
[12:56] <djk_> ah, sudo probs in kde.. had them on my lappy.. i ended up changing the clock in the bios so it'd be correct in linux..
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah...
[12:56] <Hobbsee> well, as far as i remember, my clock in BIOS is correct
[12:56] <djk_> it was correct in the bios as well.. just 1 hour ahead in linux..
[12:57] <djk_> although the timezone was set properly..
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:57] <djk_> jeda: i don't know that error.. but 0 GB DISK doesn't sound nice..
[12:58] <djk_> jeda: is there still any data on that disk?
[12:58] <jeda> looking now
[12:59] <jeda> yea data is there
[12:59] <nowisn> does kubuntu have any modem drivers or what cause I'm lost
[01:00] <jeda> ok so the drive is working fine now
[01:01] <Brokendreams> is there a good HOWTO for kubuntu on installing ati drivers?
[01:01] <djk_> !ati
[01:01] <ubotu> hmm... ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[01:01] <jeda> however when I try to play some songs from there I get this error in kaffenne
[01:01] <jeda> cant init audio driver alsaink - trying another one
[01:01] <jeda> I click ok
[01:01] <jeda> and
[01:02] <jeda> no usable audio - driver found (alsasink)
[01:02] <nowisn> any ifo on installing modem drivers?
[01:02] <Brokendreams> Note: Currently, ATI Drivers for AMD64 are only available in Ubuntu 5.04 (Hoary Hedgehog) and Ubuntu 5.10 (Breezy Badger)
[01:02] <Brokendreams> does that mean it wont work on kubuntu?
[01:02] <djk_> no
[01:02] <djk_> ubuntu and kubuntu have the same base system, just that one uses Gnome and the other uses KDE
[01:03] <Brokendreams> ohh
[01:03] <djk_> nowisn: try #ubuntu  i don't know anything about modems..
[01:03] <nowisn> k TY
[01:03] <djk_> sure
[01:06] <musashiden> this is getting really annoying, why is Xorg taking 80% of my cpu? :/
[01:06] <angasule> musashiden: what cpu is that?
[01:07] <musashiden>  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[01:07] <musashiden>  6549 root      25   0 65660  29m 2956 R 98.8  4.7   9:54.18 Xorg
[01:07] <musashiden> 98.8
[01:08] <musashiden> angasule: amd athlon
[01:08] <musashiden> err, wait, not athlon
[01:08] <musashiden> AMD Duron, 800mhz
[01:09] <musashiden> with 3dnow tech
[01:09] <musashiden> i dont understand, Xorg worked just fine with hoary
[01:10] <musashiden> and when i updated to breezy, everything was buggy. so i just formatted my whole computer
[01:10] <musashiden> and installed breezy
[01:10] <musashiden> and Xorg started to take 80-95% of my cpu
[01:10] <angasule> hmm, when you had the updated breezy, did it use so much of your cpu?
[01:11] <musashiden> nope
[01:11] <musashiden> it barely used any cpu
[01:12] <angasule> I'm thinking it could be a driver issue? maybe some feature in xorg that wasn't activated earlier? dunno
[01:12] <musashiden> angasule: iam thinking its a bug either in nvidia-glx-legacy drivers, or a bug in Xorg
[01:13] <djk_> mmh, xorg uses 0.7% here..
[01:13] <Hobbsee> 5.9% here
[01:13] <angasule> musashiden: have you installed the latest nvidia drivers using adept?
[01:15] <djk_> Hobbsee: <- anything to do with hobbits?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> nope
[01:15] <musashiden> angasule: i can only use the nvidia legacy ones, my nvidia card doesnt support the nvidia-glx ones
[01:15] <Hobbsee> djk_: it's a nickname of mine
[01:16] <djk_> Hobbsee: i can't help but always think of hobbits :p
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:16] <Hobbsee> it's got nothing to do with hobbits lol
[01:16] <musashiden> ...
[01:16] <angasule> bad hobbitses!
[01:16] <djk_> i'd be embarrassed too ;)
[01:16] <musashiden> useless, all of you :/
[01:17] <angasule> musashiden: yeah, sorry
[01:17] <angasule> musashiden: try asking in the xorg channel or something?
[01:17] <jeda> what does sudo mean or do?
[01:17] <musashiden> isnt this suppose to be a support channel anyways? ii have been asking for support about the same deal for 4 days now, yet nobody knows what the hell is going on
[01:17] <manveru> SUperuser DO
[01:18] <manveru> musashiden: well, for kubuntu, that is...
[01:18] <jeda> hrmm cause I am trying that for my alsaconfig and it is saying command not found
[01:18] <manveru> musashiden: but this is somewhat xorg-specific and no common problem
[01:18] <manveru> jeda: yeah, somebody kicked alsaconfig out of ubuntu
[01:19] <jeda> how do I reinstall is it in the adept?
[01:19] <slow-motion> n8
[01:19] <angasule> musashiden: also, I don't know if anyone here gets paid, I think it's all volunteer, I'm new to kubuntu and just try to help others as well
[01:20] <jeda> I got system sound but no other sound (settings show right)
[01:20] <musashiden> angasule: iam not saying that you didnt help
[01:21] <angasule> jeda: sudo runs programs as root, so for exampel "sudo ls" will do "ls" as if you were root (useless, just an example :) )
[01:21] <jeda> thanks
[01:21] <Hobbsee> angasule: i think you'll find that almost no one here gets paid
[01:21] <angasule> Hobbsee: I'd be surprised if anyone actually does
[01:22] <angasule> musashiden: go to #nvidia to ask, that's what the topic in #xorg says
[01:22] <angasule> or you could try the open drivers
[01:23] <angasule> if you use the open source ones, then the guys in #xorg will be more likely to be able to help
[01:24] <musashiden> so is it nvidia or Xorg's fault?
[01:24] <djk_> musashiden: that shall be your quest
[01:24] <angasule> musashiden: no idea, ask in #nvidia first
[01:25] <djk_> are ati or nvidia drivers installed during installation?
[01:26] <angasule> djk_: nvidia drivers aren't
[01:26] <djk_> and ati?
[01:26] <angasule> I can't say about ati, I'm guessing not?
[01:26] <djk_> mmh, then i guess i should install them some time..
[01:26] <angasule> check the kubuntu wiki, or search adept for ati drivers
[01:28] <djk_> oh, actually they are. the xserver-xorg-driver-ati package is installed, just not fglrx.
[01:30] <_evan> is there some kind of kubuntu vs ubuntu webpage?
[01:30] <_evan> i dont know witch one to get
[01:31] <djk_> _evan: one uses gnome, one uses kde..therefore one has mainly kde progs and the other mainly gnome progs.
[01:31] <_evan> ok
[01:31] <_evan> thanks
[01:34] <lwizardl> hi
[01:34] <jeda> ok so I followed everything here (http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2096.html) and still no alsaconfig and still no sound outside systems sounds
[01:34] <jeda> any advice?
[01:34] <jeda> it is showing it installed
[01:35] <jeda> but no access to it is what it is seeming like
[01:35] <dennis_p> Yeah kubuntu is great. Finally got Mythtv working.
[01:35] <vblanton> anyone know why installing kde35 wants to get rid of kubuntu-desktop in order to install the newest kmail? and some kdepim-kio-plugins?
[01:36] <jeda> sorry vblanton I dont
[01:36] <jeda> nice dennis_p
[01:36] <djk_> because kubuntu-desktop is a meta-package
[01:36] <vblanton> djk_: that will remove the basic kubuntu packages
[01:36] <vblanton> djk_: if removed
[01:37] <vblanton> ok, brb
[01:37] <lwizardl> anyone know what causes limewire to not open. and ktorrent to crash if minized ?
[01:38] <musashiden> hmm, anyone knows how to check the acpi events?
[01:38] <dennis_p> Yeah, will write a full guide in Dutch and English too based on the www.abarbaccia.com ubuntu mythtv guide.
[01:38] <angasule> lwizardl: does ktorrent crash if it's not minimized?
[01:39] <musashiden> anybody?
[01:40] <sambagirl> anybody what?
[01:41] <jeda> bah alsaconfig is mia
[01:42] <Hobbsee> tried installing alsa-utils?
[01:43] <jeda> yea uninstall and reinstall
[01:43] <jeda> no good
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:43] <lwizardl> angasule: only if i open something else like firefox, etc
[01:43] <jeda> went into /usr/sbin looking for it nadda
[01:44] <Hobbsee> jeda: you get system sounds, but no other sounds, right?
[01:44] <jeda> how do I put someones name in front of me message to let them know it is to them?
[01:44] <jeda> right Hobbsee
[01:44] <Hobbsee> start typing their name, then hit tab :)
[01:44] <jeda> ahh thank you
[01:45] <Hobbsee> ok, in a console, aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav
[01:45] <Hobbsee> does that play?
[01:45] <musashiden> btw, if i have a AMD Duron processor, am i suppose to use the k7 image kernel?
[01:46] <sambagirl> is ReactOS unix?
[01:46] <jeda> Hobbsee: yes it does
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ok, does that same file play in amarok?
[01:46] <lwizardl> brb reboot
[01:46] <jeda> Hobbsee: dunno let me try
[01:46] <Hobbsee> :) go for it
[01:46] <angasule> sambagirl: nope, check their website
[01:47] <djk_> musashiden: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/
[01:48] <jeda> Hobbsee: ok so it showed loading (amarok) then it just went away nothing
[01:48] <Flying_Eagle> kde 3.5: woohoo!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> Flying_Eagle: definetly!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> jeda: any error messages at the bottom left corner of the screen when you tried to open it?
[01:49] <jeda> Hobbsee: negative
[01:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:49] <jeda> Hobbsee: I will try again to watch for sure
[01:49] <Hobbsee> do you have the codecs?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> sure, go for it
[01:50] <jeda> Hobbsee:  no errors and I just have what the 5.10 cd installed (sorta n00b here)
[01:50] <jeda> will adept give me codecs?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> !multimedia
[01:50] <ubotu> hmm... multimedia is for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:50] <Hobbsee> see that first link?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> follow it
[01:51] <jeda> Hobbsee: doing it now
[01:52] <manveru> !restrictedformats
[01:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[01:52] <Hobbsee> that's true
[01:52] <Hobbsee> !freeformats
[01:52] <ubotu> freeformats is, like, There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[01:53] <manveru> hmm, where was that nice sentence about 'evil formats'?
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <Flying_Eagle> omg. kopete looks so nice O_O
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Flying_Eagle: it does!  and we have nudges too!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> and it doesnt show on our screens - even better
[01:54] <angasule> Hobbsee: nudges? how? /nudge?
[01:54] <jeda> bah already hit a snag it says Start Synaptic by selecting System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager from the desktop menu system -- but I dont have an administration one there
[01:54] <Hobbsee> jeda: ah, it means adept for us kubuntu users :)
[01:54] <Flying_Eagle> Hobbsee, nudges in which context? kde or kopete?
[01:54] <Hobbsee> kopete
[01:54] <jeda> haha
[01:54] <Flying_Eagle> k
[01:55] <lwizardl> can someone help me with this http://pastebin.com/451797
[01:55] <Hobbsee> this is precisely why i prefered the console version of the guide
[01:55] <Hobbsee> !tell lwizardl about javadeb
[01:55] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: use that instead...
[01:55] <Hobbsee> jeda: you'll learn lol
[01:56] <lwizardl> Hobbsee: i've tried that. i'm trying to follow this http://ubuntuguide.org/
[01:56] <jeda> Hobbsee: so getting it now lol
[01:56] <djk_> !ubuntuguide
[01:56] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: no, you dont want to follow that
[01:56] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is probably an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: you want the .deb from the !javadeb link, then cd to where you saved it, and type "sudo dpkg -i sun<tab>"
[01:57] <djk_> ubuntuguide isn't that bad.. but you should know what you're doing..
[01:57] <Hobbsee> the guide is old, some of those packages are no longer in there
[01:57] <Hobbsee> djk_: so true, i usually go through that first for a new system - but then again, i do know what is there, and what isnt, and what works and does not work
[01:58] <djk_> yea
[01:59] <lwizardl> Hobbsee: ok did that now what
[01:59] <Hobbsee> lwizardl: did you download the deb only?  or run the sudo command after it?
[01:59] <djk_> does anyone know if there has ever been an AMD K1 or K2 or K3 or K4 ?
[02:00] <lwizardl> both downloaded the 1.4re and installed
[02:00] <djk_> why the 1.4??
[02:00] <manveru> djk_: indeed - but never officially ond not for the kernel :)
[02:00] <djk_> why not 1.5 update 5?
[02:00] <lwizardl> using the sudo dpkg -i sun<ta>
[02:00] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:00] <Hobbsee> try "java --version"
[02:00] <lwizardl> djk_: need 1.4 for dvarchive
[02:00] <djk_> ah
[02:01] <lwizardl> ok shows up (don't want to flood 3 lines)
[02:01] <djk_> pastebin ?
[02:01] <lwizardl> http://pastebin.com/451806
[02:02] <Hobbsee> shows it's installed then
[02:02] <manveru> djk_: oh, wait - there was only k5,k6,k7
[02:03] <manveru> djk_: the others where internal versions never released...
[02:03] <djk_> lwizardl: you maybe want to  do:  sudo update-alternatives --config java  to set the jre1.4 to default if it isn't already.
[02:04] <djk_> manveru: and amd64 is k8 afaik
[02:04] <manveru> djk_: exactly
[02:04] <manveru> djk_: it's an k7 with 64bit
[02:04] <lwizardl> There is only 1 program which provides java, (/usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun/bin/java). Nothing to configure.
[02:05] <djk_> manveru: i was just wondering because a friend and i were talking about it on our way home from uni
[02:05] <djk_> lwizardl: well, kubuntu has th gij-wrapper-4.0 installed by default IIRC
[02:05] <djk_> the
[02:05] <manveru> djk_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Micro_Devices <= worth a read
[02:06] <djk_> manveru: looks interesting, thanks :)
[02:07] <lwizardl> oknow i think i have a error in the server file lists for apps
[02:07] <lwizardl> http://pastebin.com/451810
[02:07] <djk_> would be awesome to have all these chips in a glass cabinet :)
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:08] <Hobbsee> !azureus
[02:08] <ubotu> [azureus]  a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[02:08] <manveru> djk_: i would be satisfied by a new computer :)
[02:08] <djk_> manveru: what's your current pc?
[02:09] <manveru> uh, some athlon 2k+
[02:09] <djk_> that's good enough isn't it?
[02:09] <manveru> 512 ram and a crappy screen :)
[02:09] <lwizardl> how do i know which version of kubuntu i have ?
[02:09] <manveru> lwizardl: you have 5.10, trust me...
[02:09] <djk_> manveru: i think 19" crt are like 50 euro on ebay
[02:10] <manveru> djk_: this is what i have - but i want more...
[02:10] <lwizardl> manveru: ok, i know I burned the cd like 3-4days ago
[02:10] <manveru> you know - coding on a 22" tft is kind of more productive...
[02:10] <djk_> manveru: it is?
[02:11] <manveru> djk_: you can hide irc easier ^^
[02:11] <manveru> lwizardl: yeah - it must be 5.10
[02:11] <lwizardl> how do i install multiple apps at once using terminal
[02:11] <djk_> i only have 17.. there's not enough room beneath the shelf
[02:12] <dennis_p> what not 23" inch HDTV p compatible :-)
[02:12] <djk_> lwizardl: by && them..
[02:12] <lwizardl> so app1 && app2 &&app3 etc
[02:12] <djk_> yes
[02:12] <Hobbsee> dapper here today
[02:12] <manveru> hmm, nope
[02:13] <manveru> apt-get install app1 app2 app3
[02:13] <djk_> manveru: don't you need the && ?
[02:13] <jeda> Hobbsee: bah still no luck and that page didnt make much since well since it was written for ubu and not kubu
[02:13] <manveru> djk_: no... && is for combining programs - but apt-get takes multiple arguments
[02:13] <Hobbsee> jeda: did you register the plugins at the end?  the step 3?
[02:13] <djk_> manveru: i thought i saw it with && mmh
[02:14] <manveru> djk_: it's true for "./configure && make && make install && cd .. && cd foo && ./configure ....."
[02:14] <jeda> Hobbsee: I couldnt even get the plugins cause the things it was saying about the reposit I didnt have what it was saying
[02:14] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:14] <ubotu> hmm... repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[02:15] <jeda> so since couldnt d/l em I couldnt reg em
[02:15] <djk_> manveru: yea i know, but i'm pretty sure i also saw it being used with apt on some site..
[02:15] <Hobbsee> jeda: do the repos bit first
[02:15] <manveru> djk_: well, maybe the author of that saw it also on some site.... ^^
[02:16] <djk_> manveru: i usually compile.. only use apt when i'm too lazy or for something like OOo (not interested in 7 hours waiting to see nothing new)
[02:16] <manveru> djk_: and you're not on gentoo??
[02:17] <Hobbsee> which reminds me, i need elinks...thanks for that
[02:18] <djk_> manveru: nope :)
[02:18] <djk_> manveru: friend of mine is on suse.. compiles everything as well..
[02:18] <manveru> in my opinion that's abuse of the distros...
[02:19] <djk_> well, he says that yast is crap..
[02:19] <manveru> however, have to go - cu tomorrow
[02:19] <djk_> cya
[02:19] <manveru> (he's mostly right on that)
[02:19] <manveru> i was a suse-guy for years
[02:20] <djk_> i like apt.. i just prefer compiling. only using apt kinda reminds me of windows with the .exe
[02:22] <vblanton> I just did a clean kubuntu install and I wanted to immediately upgrade to kde 3.5 before doing anything else. Anyone know why Adept is telling me I need to remove kmail, kubuntu-dekstop, and some kfile-kio thing? I use kmail and i'm guessing that kubuntu-desktop is important
[02:23] <vblanton> (when I click full upgrade)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> you can let  it do that
[02:24] <djk_> no, kubuntu-desktop is not important, it's just a metapackage like i told you earlier
[02:24] <Hobbsee> kubuntu-desktop is just a package that brings in all the other kde packages
[02:24] <lwizardl> ok azureus is wokring so java should work also
[02:24] <djk_> it must..
[02:25] <vblanton> Hobbsee, djk_ : what about it getting rid of kmail??
[02:25] <Hobbsee> do you use kmail?
[02:25] <vblanton> yes
[02:25] <djk_> doesn't the kde3.5 update include kmail?
[02:25] <vblanton> Is this common, or did I do something wrong?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> i'd just upgrade anyway, then install kmail after that manually
[02:26] <vblanton> Hobbsee: I tried that with my last install (I re-installed 'cause I figured I screwed something up) and it wouldn't let me because of BREAK
[02:27] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[02:27] <ubotu> methinks kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[02:27] <vblanton> djk_: yes, but it doesn't want to install it. instead it wants to just get rid of 3.4.3
[02:27] <vblanton> !kde3.5
[02:27] <vblanton> oh, cool :)
[02:27] <vblanton> !kde3.4
[02:27] <ubotu> vblanton: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:28] <vblanton> ...?
[02:28] <Hobbsee> vblanton: kmail for kde 3.5 exists
[02:28] <vblanton> so, is this normal?
[02:28] <djk_> kde3.4 isn't a valid factoid..
[02:28] <Hobbsee> i'd say so
[02:29] <vblanton> Hobbsee: I can't remember this happening in the past... (this is my third kubuntu install, the first was a test run on a 10gig HD, the second was official, but I thought it screwed up, and this is the third)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> vblanton: i dont remember either, but it should be fine
[02:30] <vblanton> Ok, I'll do it, and then I won't be able to use kmail. So you suggest installing Kmail afterward?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:30] <vblanton> ok, here goes 'nuthin
[02:30] <Hobbsee> lol
[02:32] <DaSkreech> ubotu: Hi
[02:32] <ubotu> hi
[02:32] <vblanton> Hobbsee: maybe im supposed to do a upgrade of the base system before I upgrade kde3.5...
[02:32] <vblanton> ubotu: how is it going?
[02:32] <ubotu> vblanton: I think you lost me on that one
[02:33] <lwizardl> is there some file i can make and click on to have java load my dvarchive.jar file
[02:33] <vblanton> !kubuntu
[02:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[02:33] <Hobbsee> vblanton: you should be fine
[02:33] <vblanton> !edubuntu
[02:33] <ubotu> from memory, edubuntu is an Ubuntu version suitable for classroom use. See http://edubuntu.org or visit #edubuntu
[02:34] <vblanton> hmm, pretty cool
[02:34] <vblanton> !amarok
[02:34] <ubotu> rumour has it, amarok is a music player for Linux and Unix with an intuitive interface. See http://amarok.kde.org ; amaroK's features: http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/
[02:34] <vblanton> !firefox
[02:34] <ubotu> vblanton: Are you on ritalin?
[02:34] <vblanton> yes
[02:34] <vblanton> i mean no
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !info firefox
[02:34] <ubotu> firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-0ubuntu20 (breezy), Packaged size: 8268 kB, Installed size: 23932 kB
[02:34] <djk_> vblanton: use /query ubotu
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !no
[02:34] <ubotu> No Offense
[02:34] <vblanton> how come 1.5 isn't in the repos yet?
[02:34] <vblanton> are there any problems with 1.5?
[02:34] <DaSkreech> It's considered unstable
[02:35] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[02:35] <ubotu> methinks firefox1.5 is unsupported in breezy but if you would like to install (at your own risk) Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[02:35] <Hobbsee> there are a couple on there
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Hasn't been tested yet
[02:35] <frank23> vblanton: the repos contain the version of programs when breezy was released.
[02:35] <vblanton> frank23: i mean the backport repos
[02:35] <djk_> frank23:  not true.. they get updated as well.
[02:35] <frank23> vblanton: oh... is firefox 1.5 in dapper yet
[02:36] <vblanton> frank23: no
[02:36] <frank23> djk_: only for security or very important updates
[02:36] <vblanton> frank23: considered unstable I guess
[02:36] <jeda> Hobbsee: do I need to reboot after installing all that and regging it?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> jeda: no, you shouldnt need to
[02:36] <Hobbsee> frank23: ah, let me have a look...
[02:36] <jeda> bah still no workie
[02:37] <Hobbsee> frank23: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8) Gecko/20051202 Ubuntu/1.4.99+1.5rc3.dfsg-1ubuntu4 Firefox/1.5
[02:37] <djk_> frank23: do you consider k3b a very importan update?
[02:37] <djk_> +t
[02:37] <djk_> frank23: or bittornado?
[02:38] <PPPoE> Ahah!
[02:38] <lwizardl> imo k3b is a must have :)
[02:38] <djk_> sure, but it isn't very important
[02:38] <frank23> djk_: k3b : Automated backport upload; no source changes.
[02:38] <frank23> djk_: evidently no
[02:39] <frank23> djk_: I guess I don't really know what breezy-updates is for exactly
[02:40] <lwizardl> is there something like .bat files for dos/windows  but for linux
[02:40] <frank23> lwizardl: any text file which is marked as an executable can be a shell script (like .bat)
[02:40] <Hobbsee> what do the .bat files do?
[02:40] <jaro> like shell scripts
[02:41] <jaro> how can i find out which kernel version i got ?
[02:41] <djk_> frank23: i don't know what exactly gets updated or not, but it isn't just security or very important updates.. and there's a 0.12.7 package of k3b in some repo
[02:42] <Hobbsee> jaro: uname -r
[02:42] <jaro> thx
[02:42] <frank23> djk_: breezy-security contains security updates. breezy-updates contains other updates but as a general rule, the version number of programs don't change
[02:43] <frank23> djk_: in hoary they kept applying security patches to firefox 1.0.4 until that proved to be impossibleand they had to change to 1.0.7 for some reason
[02:44] <djk_> frank23: i don't like firefox ;)
[02:45] <frank23> djk_: I'm just saying that the version of programs are supposed to stay constant within breezy
[02:45] <PPPoE> Can anyone recommend some good reading for performance tweaking kubuntu?
[02:46] <lwizardl> Hobbsee: .bat files are basically text files with a set exectuable ie "java -jar DVArchive.jar" and all you do if click the bat file and it passes the command to the terminal also known as tools for lazy's ie me
[02:46] <djk_> frank23: yes but all packages have a ubuntuN where N is a number, that seems to change.
[02:47] <frank23> djk_: yes but those changes are supposed to be as minor as possible: no new features get in
[02:47] <lwizardl> frank23: so all i need to do is make the text file in like kate and save it then right click and mark as executable?
[02:47] <jaro> grep: /lib/libacl.la: No such file or directory
[02:47] <jaro> /bin/sed: can't read /lib/libacl.la: No such file or directory
[02:47] <jaro> libtool: link: `/lib/libacl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[02:47] <frank23> lwizardl: yes]
[02:47] <jaro> help
[02:47] <jaro> what package is that ?
[02:48] <lwizardl> frank23: did that and kate opens it
[02:49] <frank23> lwizardl: I'm not sure how to run it by clicking. In a console, go to the directory and  do  ./scripname
[02:49] <lwizardl> oh figured it out
[02:50] <lwizardl> right click, create new -> link to app, command "java -jar DVArchive.jar" work path "<dvarchive folder"
[02:51] <lwizardl> 2 issues done tonight thanks all
[02:52] <frank23> lwizardl: what java are you using?
[02:52] <lwizardl> 1.4re
[02:52] <frank23> lwizardl: ok. by default in breezy only gnu's interpreter is there
[02:53] <angasule> does anyone here use kweather? any idea where it gets its data from?
[02:56] <vblanton> ok.. i did the kde 3.5 install and it still says that kmail will break the install
[02:56] <vblanton> and.. it uninstall kdepim-kio-plugins
[02:56] <nowisn> can someone tell me how to run scanmodem in kubuntu?
[02:59] <nowisn> I need more info on what kind of chipset my modem is in a lappy cause its not detecting my modem
[02:59] <vblanton> nowisn: chances are you have a winmodem..
[03:00] <vblanton> nowisn: there are certain non-free drivers for winmodems but I haven't tested them. I recommend getting an external modem that is supported.
[03:01] <nowisn> yeah but i wouldn't mind running scanmodem to find out though
[03:02] <vblanton> nowisn: KPPP isn't detecting it with it's in-built scan?
[03:02] <nowisn> don't want to go buy an external 56 k modem if I don't have to
[03:02] <nowisn> no
[03:04] <nowisn> actually when i open kppp i get an error ( /etc/resolv.conf is missing or can't be read)
[03:04] <vblanton> nowisn: yes, you can make that file (empty) and then run it again.
[03:05] <nowisn> how do I make that file
[03:05] <jsubl2> touch /etc/resolv.conf
[03:05] <nowisn> be patient I've never used linux before
[03:05] <nowisn> used fedora for like a week two years ago and not sinse then
[03:07] <vblanton> sry, im a little busy, but you can pretty much open a terminal and type "sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf"
[03:07] <vblanton> then type your pass in and it'll make the file
[03:07] <vblanton> or maybe it wont ask for pass..
[03:08] <vblanton> anyone know why the whole kdepim suite is screwed up with kde 3.5? i can't upgrade any of it?
[03:10] <nowisn> says unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[03:12] <nowisn> or cannot touch permission denied when typing (touch /etc/resolv.conf)
[03:14] <jsubl2> maybe you should try kdesu kppp
[03:14] <vblanton> I found out the problem with kde 3.5... i needed to do a universal adp upgrade
[03:14] <m1ke_l> hi...odd question, but does kubuntu mount floppies automagically?
[03:14] <vblanton> "sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf"
[03:14] <Insom-> do i want fat32 or fat32 (lba) for use with a external hd? (what's the difference?)
[03:15] <vblanton> nowisn: right, in order to change the permissions on resolv.conf try "sudo chmod 777 /etc/resolv.conf"
[03:15] <vblanton> nowisn: that should do it
[03:15] <vblanton> goodluck, gtg
[03:16] <nowisn> sudo touch /etc/resolv.conf----------did type it and got this-------------unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[03:17] <jsubl2> your /etc/resolv.conf has important stuff in it like nameserver ip.addr.of.dns
[03:18] <jsubl2> so... now your dns is broke maybe
[03:18] <jsubl2> if you are on dhcp you might be able to reboot and it may put them back in
[03:18] <nowisn> ty for the help vb
[03:19] <jsubl2> depending on what kppp is doing of course.. have not used a modem for a really long time
[03:19] <nowisn> same result     unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[03:20] <foureyes779> does the kubuntu live cd come "QTParted" ?
[03:21] <nowisn> hmmm do I not have to sign in to root or like an administrator first?
[03:22] <kkathman> foureyes779: cant see why it would
[03:22] <foureyes779> i was hoping the live-cd came with an installer so i wouldnt have to download 2 ISO's.
[03:23] <foureyes779> i have a WInXP drive i need to resize to do it though
[03:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: amarok 1.3.7 seems to work just fine here, on an i386 computer, from your repository on kubuntu site - thought you might like to know ;)
[03:23] <musashiden> hmmm, can anyone tell me how to mount an HD? or tell me the link of the wiki that explains how to?
[03:23] <jsubl2> foureyes779,  look for parted or qtparted
[03:23] <DaSkreech> Insom-: Hi
[03:23] <Hobbsee> !mount
[03:23] <ubotu> mount is, like, totally, the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Insom-: In general you want lba
[03:24] <musashiden> thanks Hobbsee
[03:24] <bimberi> foureyes779: you can resize partitions during the install - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/installation/Partitioning (back up though :) )
[03:24] <foureyes779> ok, tnx guys
[03:25] <foureyes779> thats what i needed to know. i am checking the WIKI now but didnt find that info.
[03:25] <Insom-> DaSkreech hi and thank you
[03:25] <m1ke_l> sorry, i wasn't listening but does kubuntu with OO mount the floppy when saving?
[03:25] <nowisn> hmmm nothing i can do then, maybe I'll try another distro
[03:25] <m1ke_l> i built a machine for a friend and didn't check it before giving it back
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Insom-: Unless you have a really old computer then lba would just confuse it
[03:26] <DaSkreech> nowisn: Whats up?
[03:26] <jsubl2> nowisn, you on dhcp
[03:26] <Insom-> DaSkreech: no just looking for a fs that can be viably read/written to on any system
[03:26] <nowisn> no
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Insom-: How big is the Hard drive
[03:27] <Insom-> 30gb
[03:27] <jsubl2> nowisn, do you know your dns info
[03:27] <DaSkreech> nowisn: Do you know what your NS ip address is ?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Insom-: hmmm...FAT?
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Insom- was asking the difference between fat32 and fat 32 lba
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ah, sorry...
[03:28] <foureyes779> i'll just fire up the live-cd with qemu and check it out first
[03:28] <nowisn> no
[03:29] <nowisn> dhcp is logging that info automaticly from isp right?
[03:29] <jsubl2> nowisn, i thought you said you were NOT on dhcp
[03:29] <DaSkreech> nowisn: I thought you said you weren't on dhcp
[03:30] <nowisn> i got no info other than the phone number for the dialup server and thats it
[03:30] <jsubl2> nowisn, did you try running --- kdesu kppp
[03:31] <Insom-> DaSkreech: so basically lba supports bigger size drives without drawbacks?
[03:31] <musashiden> hmm, iam confused here
[03:31] <nowisn> no where do you find that
[03:31] <musashiden> why wont my other 2 HD's appear on media:/ ?
[03:31] <musashiden> they were working fine before i updated to breezy
[03:32] <DaSkreech> Insom-: Right it allows the firmware to handle some of the nitty gritty instead of the BIOS so that the computer can easily handle large hard drives it's never seen before
[03:32] <jsubl2> nowisn, maybe you should try https://wiki.ubuntu.com and search for modem.  It is hard to explain in the level of detail they provide on irc
[03:33] <nowisn> I can open kppp under internet in the main menu
[03:33] <Insom-> DaSkreech: sounds good.. thanks for the info :)
[03:33] <nowisn> okay thank you
[03:33] <Hobbsee> musashiden: try /media/ <-- it's a known kde bug
[03:34] <jsubl2> nowisn, yeah but the devices that kppp has to access to dial out and make the connection may not be setup with the permissions you need to be able to access them
[03:35] <musashiden> Hobbsee: not there neither :/
[03:36] <Hobbsee> !mount
[03:36] <ubotu> from memory, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[03:36] <Hobbsee> add them to the fstab, and you can have them mount on bootup
[03:36] <musashiden> tried it
[03:36] <musashiden> done it
[03:36] <musashiden> look what i get
[03:36] <musashiden> mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /media/hdb busy
[03:36] <nowisn> so how do i get the permissions
[03:37] <nowisn> i'm slightly confused and this is a bit harder than it seems
[03:37] <Hobbsee> musashiden: type "mount" and paste the output to pastebin?
[03:37] <foureyes779> or /exec -o mount | grep hda
[03:39] <musashiden> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/451879
[03:40] <Hobbsee> musashiden: er, ok then...what's on /dev/hdb?
[03:41] <musashiden> Hobbsee: its a file
[03:41] <DaSkreech> nowisn: Permissions?
[03:42] <musashiden> Hobbsee: is it suppose to be a folder?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> musashiden: df -h -T and pastebin it?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> it's supposed to be a second hard drive, i'm assuming, if it's named right
[03:43] <musashiden> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/451885
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:44] <Hobbsee> ah drat, i didnt want that one, i meant sudo fdisk -l
[03:45] <Hobbsee> well, that's useful too, but that wasnt what i wanted lol
[03:45] <Insom-> where do i turn off kde's automounting of media?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Insom-: system settings?
[03:46] <musashiden> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/451887
[03:46] <Insom-> Hobbsee: can't find it in the control center
[03:47] <Hobbsee> oh, turning off *automounting* - um, no clue sorry
[03:47] <Hobbsee> i thought you meant the popup boxes that came up, which you can change in kcontrol
[03:47] <Insom-> nevermind i think i found it
[03:48] <Hobbsee> musashiden: sudo mkdir /media/windows
[03:48] <musashiden> err, windows?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> musashiden: sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[03:49] <Hobbsee> just see if that works
[03:49] <Insom-> any idea why my kde menu appears to be read only? can't remove or add applications to/from it
[03:50] <musashiden> ok, that worked
[03:50] <Hobbsee> musashiden: ok, you might want to follow http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#id2514926
[03:51] <nowisn> man no matter what i type i get this unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname, its driving me bananas
[03:51] <Hobbsee> musashiden: sudo mkdir hdb
[03:51] <musashiden> erm, can i change the name of that folder called windows?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> before you go into the fstab fiel
[03:51] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:51] <musashiden> how?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> sudo mkdir /media/blah
[03:51] <musashiden> hdb is ext3 btw
[03:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, i saw
[03:52] <foureyes779> heh
[03:52] <Hobbsee> musashiden: pm?
[03:53] <musashiden> ok
[03:53] <Hobbsee> k
[03:54] <exequor> exit
[03:54] <jsubl2> nowisn, /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:56] <HungerForPork> if you use mirc in wine, im going to fucking kill you
[03:57] <Hobbsee> !coc
[03:57] <ubotu> I heard coc is the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[03:58] <sambagirl> ok so i just reading that the AmigaOne was originally shipped wiht Desbian PPC version since Amiga4OS was not yet complete. So ubuntu PPC should work with AmigaOne, no?
[04:26] <Insom-> any know why my kde menu appears to be read only? can't remove or add applications to/from it
[04:27] <seth_k|lappy> Insom- are you using a KDE 3.5 beta or RC? I had that issue with Beta 2.
[04:27] <Insom-> no
[04:27] <Insom-> using 3.4.3
[04:28] <Insom-> don't really care about the menu but i want to add apps to the quick launcher menu and it seems the only way to
[04:31] <seth_k|lappy> Insom-, using Breezy? If so, I suggest upgrading to KDE 3.5, using the URL found in this channel's /topic :)
[04:31] <Insom-> 3.5 is stable enough?
[04:32] <seth_k|lappy> Insom-, 3.5 final has been released
[04:32] <seth_k|lappy> it's not a beta or anything
[04:32] <Insom-> i know but major kde versions tend to be a little buggy in my experience
[04:32] <seth_k|lappy> Ah... hm, I'm running it and it seems to be doing fine
[04:33] <Insom-> i'll give it a try when i'm done converting all my ntfs partitions
[04:34] <Insom-> still an odd problem to have though
[04:34] <Insom-> i have a menu item i can't even find on the fs
[04:35] <lwizardl> anyone here use wine>dvd decrypter
[04:40] <lwizardl> i'm trying to get a windows application running using wine to work but it says "no devices found" for cd/dvd drives
[04:41] <Insom-> no viable linux applications to rip dvds?
[04:42] <lwizardl> Insom-: not that I could find plus I've always used it
[04:42] <Insom-> strange.. i thought libdvdcss would lead to a host of new dvd related linux applications
[04:45] <Insom-> dvd decrypter is just a ripper right?
[04:46] <lwizardl> well ripper & burner
[04:47] <Pouncy> has anyone gotten linux working on a Dell Poweredge 4400?
[04:48] <lwizardl> Insom-:  the app was hit by dmca so downloads are gone unless you locate it "somewhere" but here is some info on it http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=DVD_Decrypter
[04:48] <Insom-> lwizardl: yeah i heard about that.. don't rip dvds myself but i can't imagine there being no linux frontend to the various tools already available
[04:50] <lwizardl> Insom-: myself I'm trying to setup a mythtv box and plan on having all my dvds stored onto hard drives for easy access
[04:50] <Insom-> how about: dvdbackup - tool to rip DVD's from the command line
[04:51] <lwizardl> hmm how do I set DMA on for my burner ? http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
[04:51] <Insom-> with hdparm
[04:51] <lwizardl> Insom-: but how is it on protected DVDs like sony, disney movies
[04:51] <Insom-> lwizardl: i don't know
[04:52] <demon71> can anyone help with sound and/or Ipod disconnect problem?
[04:52] <Insom-> i download rips instead of creating them... much easier
[04:52] <lwizardl> sometimes
[04:53] <lwizardl> but i find most people that upload them remove the extra's
[04:53] <Insom-> yeah depends on what you prefer i guess
[04:55] <lwizardl> ok trying to figure out where my cdrom drive is mounted as where do i find that again?
[04:55] <Insom-> i gave away my only dvd as a birthday present a while ago
[04:55] <Insom-> mount
[04:56] <lwizardl> hmm
[04:57] <lwizardl> nothing shows up
[04:57] <Insom-> nothing? it should list all mounted filesystems
[04:57] <Insom-> you should at least have something mounted as root
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Hi kkathman
[04:57] <kkathman> howdy there DaSkreech :)
[04:58] <Insom-> if your cdrom drive doesn't show up it's not mounted
[04:58] <lwizardl> if i go into disk manager (gnome app) it says /dev/hdc is my cdrom
[04:59] <Insom-> does gnome have some type of automounting system for removable media?
[04:59] <kkathman> Insom-: usually yes
[05:00] <kkathman> if you mean like USB
[05:00] <Insom-> trying to help lwizardl find his cdrom mountpoint but i haven't used gnome in ages
[05:01] <kkathman> should be in /media I would think...thats where mine is
[05:01] <lwizardl> no tryng to follow this guide but couldn't find my cdrom drive
[05:01] <lwizardl> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
[05:02] <kkathman> in fact if you go to konsole, and do a cd /  then an ls -l   you should see you cdrom and a symlink to /media/cdrom
[05:04] <Insom-> going to reboot to windows for the first time in days.. and hopefully one of the last times :)
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Don't do it!!
[05:05] <Insom-> need to move some ntfs data to convert all ntfs drives to something more useful
[05:05] <lwizardl> brb goota restart
[05:06] <Insom-> how is linux ntfs support these days? there was some news about some dll wrapper a while back, does that work?
[05:08] <lwizardl> back
[05:08] <lwizardl> ok that didn't work
[05:08] <kkathman> lwizardl: what exactly are you trying to do now?
[05:09] <lwizardl> get a windows app to see my cdrom drive
[05:09] <lwizardl> http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
[05:09] <kkathman> your cdrom is on the linux box?
[05:09] <kkathman> and you are trying to get to it from a windows box or something?
[05:10] <Insom-> he's trying to run dvdshrink in wine
[05:10] <lwizardl> dvd decrypter in wine
[05:10] <kkathman> ahhh lol...does wine support it?
[05:10] <Insom-> whoops.. need coffee
[05:11] <lwizardl> yeah
[05:14] <eclub10> help me....
[05:14] <eclub10> i'm newbie...
[05:14] <kkathman> hi eclub10 :)
[05:15] <eclub10> hi too
[05:15] <kkathman> what seems to be the issue...maybe someone here knows how to help you
[05:15] <eclub10> how to chat privately?
[05:16] <eclub10> i don't know KDE
[05:16] <eclub10> :)
[05:16] <eclub10> please...
[05:16] <manveru> just ask :)
[05:16] <manveru> you've got a whole channel for you
[05:17] <eclub10> yes..
[05:17] <eclub10> it's very different by Mirc
[05:18] <manveru> what do you mean?
[05:18] <manveru> x-chat, konversation, irssi?
[05:18] <kkathman> please dont chat privately
[05:18] <lwizardl> well in using the konversation kde app i just double click someone's name
[05:18] <eclub10> konversation
[05:18] <kkathman> just ask your question right out here
[05:19] <kkathman> that way everyone benefits from your question and the answer
[05:19] <eclub10> yes..i do it...but the person i double clik not response...
[05:19] <eclub10> oh...i'm very newbie
[05:19] <DaSkreech> kkathman: I think eclub10 is asking how to chat privately :)
[05:19] <manveru> well, the only difference is, that you have to register on this server to user query
[05:19] <DaSkreech> kkathman: I could be wrong however
[05:19] <kkathman> be back later
[05:20] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech
[05:20] <manveru> eclub10: you just have to do '/msg nickserv help'
[05:20] <manveru> eclub10: it will tell you how to register to use query
[05:21] <manveru> eclub10: this is a barrier to keep spam/flood low on this network
[05:21] <lwizardl> anyway to have numlock to be automatically on by default
[05:21] <Hobbsee> !register
[05:21] <ubotu> register is, like, type /msg nickserv help register
[05:21] <manveru> lwizardl: several
[05:22] <manveru> lwizardl: my favorite was the led in kicker... wait a second
[05:25] <manveru> hmm, maybe numlockx
[05:25] <lwizardl> ?
[05:25] <freelove> help me! i cant boot windows! my problem is very similar to this but with ubuntu http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2004/05/fhassel_windows_not_booting91.html
[05:26] <freelove> my bro will format my linux if i dont fix this!
[05:26] <manveru> !fixmbr
[05:26] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, manveru
[05:26] <manveru> hmm... what was it?
[05:27] <seth_k|lappy> freelove, do you not even have a windows option to boot to?
[05:27] <seth_k|lappy> or does windows just not boot when you select it
[05:27] <freelove> seth_k|lappy: windows doesnt boot when i select it
[05:27] <jeda> if I type make and term says command not found where does that leave me?
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> jeda, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:29] <jeda> seth_k|lappy: trying it now
[05:29] <jeda> thanks
[05:29] <manveru> freelove: well, what exactly happens?
[05:29] <jeda> bah
[05:29] <jeda> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:29] <jeda> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> jeda, close synaptic / adept / kynaptic
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> jeda, only one installing-programs app at a time :)
[05:30] <jeda> hehe
[05:31] <jeda> seth_k|lappy: well thanks that worked however bad codeing on whoever wrote issue I guess it errored big
[05:31] <jeda> it was kde theme package from kde-look.org
[05:32] <jeda> oh well next thing to break
[05:32] <manveru> !xincludes
[05:32] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[05:33] <seth_k|lappy> jeda, what error did it give? you'll likely need kdelibs4-dev or somesuch
[05:34] <jeda> seth_k|lappy: no it was about 3 screens of errors
[05:34] <jeda> most were pointing to the file structure of the theme pack
[05:35] <KunT> how to register my nick?
 how to register my nick?
[05:36] <freelove2> sorry got disconnected....any help?
[05:36] <KunT>  how to register my nick?
[05:36] <KunT> i'm newbie
[05:36] <manveru> !register
[05:36] <ubotu> from memory, register is type /msg nickserv help register
[05:37] <manveru> freelove: well, what exactly happens?
[05:37] <KunT> !register
[05:38] <seth_k|lappy> eclub10 / KunT, you already asked that question. Please keep the channel noise to a minimum
[05:38] <francolq> hello. i downloaded firefox-1.5.tar.gz from mozilla's site because kubuntu/ubuntu repositories doesn't have the last version...
[05:38] <KunT> oh...sorry...forgive me
[05:39] <DRAGON_Ultra> when will there be a fix for the screensaver
[05:39] <francolq> but it doesn't work. it sais: "/opt/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[05:40] <Delvien> Anyone have alot of experience with Samba?
[05:40] <manveru> DRAGON_Ultra: _the screensaver_ ... ?
[05:40] <manveru> Delvien: did you try it in #samba ?
[05:40] <DRAGON_Ultra> mine will lock up with 3D on
[05:40] <manveru> !file libgtk-x11-2.0
[05:41] <Delvien> manveru didnt know there was a channel for it
[05:41] <Delvien> manveru but most times special channels never answer
[05:41] <manveru> Delvien: chances are very bad that someone will answer here as well
[05:42] <francolq> file  libgtk-x11-2.0: "libgtk-x11-2.0: ERROR: cannot open `libgtk-x11-2.0' (No such file or directory)". the same with libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
[05:42] <manveru> Delvien: and asking in multiple channels is usually a good way to find the right one
[05:42] <Delvien> manveru yeah but atleast people are alive in this channel.
[05:42] <francolq> but the file exists at /usr/lib
[05:42] <manveru> francolq: but not in /usr/local/lib
[05:43] <francolq> manveru: right
[05:43] <francolq> manveru: just symlink?
[05:43] <manveru> hmm... wonder what dragon was saying...
[05:43] <crimsun> please don't do that.
[05:43] <Delvien> Ok, i am having a problem with Samba trying to share a file with a windows machine, no matter what i do i cant seem to get the windows machine ( in my case a VMware XP install ) to see my linux machine, any ideas ?
[05:43] <crimsun> if possible, use an official backport from dapper
[05:43] <manveru> francolq: not sure - you could add it to some path
[05:44] <manveru> Delvien: sure - use a std http-server to serve the file
[05:44] <manveru> Delvien: or maybe sshd+winscp
[05:44] <francolq> manveru: something like LD_PATH?
[05:45] <manveru> crimsun: there are backports for firefox already?
[05:45] <francolq> manveru: no, LD_PATH doesn't work....
[05:46] <manveru> francolq: did i say it would work?
[05:46] <crimsun> manveru: not yet. Please ask on the backports mailing list.
[05:46] <francolq> manuveru: well, actually i was talking to myself..... thank you anyway.
[05:47] <manveru> crimsun: well - too much of a hassle - i have my firefox in my home anyway ^^
[05:47] <Delvien> manveru umm
[05:47] <Delvien> manveru hehe sorry, how do i do that
[05:48] <manveru> hmm, just do it...
[05:48] <manveru> i still have the old one installed 'officially'
[05:48] <manveru> only put the 1.5 in my home-dir, made a link to my desk and voila
[05:51] <bdmp> uh
[05:52] <bdmp> I am now using chatzilla in a portable firefox tab. pretty cool.
[05:53] <Cornellius> hey hey
[05:53] <Cornellius> I have a question
[05:53] <Cornellius> I took the repository from KDE.ORG to install the last 3.5
[05:53] <Cornellius> Do I need to completly un-install 3.4 before I install 3.5 ?
[05:54] <Cornellius> Or I can just intall 3.5 over 3.4 ?
[05:55] <manveru> !3.5
[05:55] <ubotu> manveru: No idea
[05:55] <manveru> !kde3.5
[05:55] <ubotu> [kde3.5]  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[05:56] <freelove2> Cornellius: u dont need to uninstall....apt will do things for u
[05:56] <Cornellius> freelove2: Thanks
[05:58] <freelove2> Cornellius: do u face any problems with kubuntu? like kubuntu landing u in console mode often?
[05:58] <Cornellius> Kubuntu is simply beautiful
[05:58] <Cornellius> I tried some KDE Based distros
[05:58] <Cornellius> To me, Kub is the best looking
[06:00] <Hobbsee> Cornellius: what else did you try?
[06:00] <Cornellius> Suse
[06:00] <Cornellius> ...Mandrake
[06:01] <Hobbsee> ah yep
[06:01] <Delvien> How do i open a specific port?
[06:01] <Cornellius> I hate a too automated distro
[06:01] <Cornellius> like Mandrake
[06:01] <Cornellius> but I can't install Gentoo yet, not geek enough
[06:02] <Cornellius> so Ubuntu/Kubuntu is perfect for my needs
[06:02] <jeda> Hobbsee: hey thanks for all your help I am out tonight will be back tomorrow
[06:02] <Hobbsee> jeda: no problems :)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Cornellius: not sure why you'd want gentoo, unless you want to spend *hours* compiling
[06:04] <Cornellius> Hobbsee: heheh, yep, that too.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:06] <Hobbsee> speaking of which....nah, i think i'll pass
[06:06] <Hobbsee> particularly not knowing if the power will cut out again today
[06:07] <manveru> Hobbsee: well, gentoo helped me understand linux better
[06:07] <Hobbsee> true
[06:07] <Cornellius> True
[06:07] <manveru> Hobbsee: but after a year of compiling i wanted a bit comfort again :)
[06:07] <Cornellius> but with school, work, gf
[06:07] <Hobbsee> i've never bothered trying...
[06:07] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:07] <Cornellius> I don't have much time to spend on computers
[06:07] <Cornellius> :P
[06:07] <manveru> well, i have much time to spend...
[06:08] <manveru> but actually i need a working system to work on it ^^
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:09] <Hobbsee> that is true
[06:28] <convey> anyone with experience with kde and nvidia cards?
[06:28] <flyingmayo> are you trying to install the 3d drivers or just get kde to come up using the nv driver?
[06:29] <crimsun> mmm amarok 1.3.7
[06:29] <convey> flyingmayo: I got KDE up with the nvidia drivers and 3d seems to work fine.  It is the resolution that is the prob.  I am only getting 640x480
[06:30] <flyingmayo> convey: using xorg, yes?
[06:30] <convey> flyingmayo: and it seems to be monitor dependent.  xorg yes
[06:31] <convey> flyingmayo: if I hook my 19" viewsonic screen up to the system it gotes to 1180x1024.  But with my LCS TV it only gets 640x480.
[06:31] <convey> flyingmayo: LCD TV was getting 1024x768 with SuSe.
[06:32] <flyingmayo> convey: ah, do you know if your Vertical and Horizontal sync rates are set correctly for your LCD?
[06:32] <convey> flyingmayo: What is really weird is that the drop down has 640x480 and 320x sonthing as the only options
[06:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: seems to work very nicely :)
[06:33] <convey> flyingmayo: not sure...
[06:33] <convey> flyingmayo: I am using the defaults
[06:33] <flyingmayo> convey hmm, so if your other monitor is allowing you to use higher res's then your xorg.conf file must have more than just the 640x480 rez in it
[06:33] <flyingmayo> convey I'd google for your sync rates first off
[06:34] <convey> flyingmayo: yes the xorg has many high rez settings for the default monitor
[06:34] <Chousuke> flyingmayo: do not use colours.
[06:34] <flyingmayo> and make sure xorg is using the correct ones.  I'm a litlte fuzzy in this area but I always google for sync rates and write them on my monitors when I get them
[06:34] <convey> flyingmayo: I will check sync rates for this LCD tv.
[06:34] <Chousuke> some people have black background you know. :P
[06:35] <convey> flyingmayo: Thanks!
[06:35] <flyingmayo> chousuke: is this better?
[06:35] <Chousuke> yes.
[06:35] <flyingmayo> or still color?
[06:35] <flyingmayo> sorry bout that.
[06:36] <Chousuke> No need for apologies. just keep it this way from now on.
[06:36] <Chousuke> :)
[06:36] <nalioth> flyingmayo: is the color for a reason?
[06:36] <flyingmayo> hehe
[06:37] <flyingmayo> heh, actually I'm using trillian for my client cause I'm at work.  so I'm unfamiliar with it's functionality.  copied a name to clip and the colors came with it seems
[06:38] <nalioth> flyingmayo: i ask, cuz everything you've printed is invisible to me
[06:38] <flyingmayo> nalioth: oh man.  so I wonder if it's coloring all my text black or something
[06:38] <flyingmayo> can anyone confirm?
[06:39] <nalioth> my background is black, so i say yes.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> flyingmayo: just tell trillian not to forward a colour at all
[06:40] <Hobbsee> it's in the options
[06:40] <lwizardl> if i have a usb hd drive where should i look for it ?
[06:41] <flyingmayo> Hobbsee: checking now actually.  thanks
[06:41] <Hobbsee> no problems
[06:47] <atjeutech_> better?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> flyingmayo_: looks black to me...
[06:49] <flyingmayo_> what was it before?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> well, black, with bits of blue
[06:49] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i turned on color stripping in the channel
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yeah, i saw that - nice
[06:50] <Hobbsee> it's so annoying trillian automatically putting in colours
[06:50] <flyingmayo_> Hobbsee: ok, so anyway, black was what we were going for I suppose.  anywho
[06:50] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:51] <nalioth> flyingmayo_: black? i hope not, my background is black
[06:51] <nalioth> flyingmayo_: we want "no color codes" sent
[06:51] <flyingmayo_> I believe that's what I've got now
[06:51] <nalioth> so that your text shows up in the clients machines in whatever color the clients use flyingmayo_
[06:52] <brownie17> can someone help me/
[06:52] <brownie17> me arts control panel object dissapeared, and when i try to restore it, it gives me an error and tells me to 'check my installion'
[06:53] <nalioth> brownie17: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall arts"
[06:54] <tareq> hi, I have a question
[06:55] <tareq> can i get rid of a partition then make the resize the partition kubuntu is on to grow into the deleted partition's space w/o reinstall?
[06:56] <Flammia> only if you are amagician
[06:56] <flyingmayo_> tareq ya, no problem
[06:56] <flyingmayo_> tareq fdisk and delete the unwanted partition
[06:56] <flyingmayo_> tareq: then run parted and expand the other patition to max size
[06:56] <nalioth> tareq: preferably use a kubuntu livecd
[06:56] <digits> kde seems quite nice these days :)
[06:56] <nalioth> tareq: qtparted is included and will make all that easy
[06:56] <flyingmayo_> tareq: this will only work if the two partitions are contiguous I believe
[06:57] <tareq> ok i'll explain myself a little better
[06:57] <tareq> i have 3 partitions
[06:57] <tareq> windows xp, kubuntu and swap
[06:58] <tareq> windows died (i killed its partition), but i can access the ntfs partition from kubuntu to move files and the like
[06:58] <tareq> i just moved my personal files
[06:58] <digits> tareq: my guess is that you'll rid yourself of windows? well, you can resize an ext3 partition but you cannot move the "start" of it.
[06:58] <digits> used to be so anyway
[06:59] <tareq> if i had some removable media it'd be no sweat
[06:59] <tareq> i'd reinstall everything
[06:59] <tareq> but i have 11 gigs of media
[06:59] <brownie17> nalioth, also, could the aRts control applet have anything to do with my special buttons on my keyboard (they are for sound stuff) not working?
[07:00] <nalioth> i have no idea about multimedia kb
[07:00] <tareq> i also want don't want to reinstall so that i can keep the windows fonts
[07:01] <brownie17> nalioth, okay, but i think i should mention, they work perfect in gnome. when i press vol up, it tells programs i am pressing Win+KP_add.
[07:01] <brownie17> tareq, dvd burner?
[07:02] <freelove1> i want to rip an entire dvd to avi....how do i do this?
[07:02] <brownie17> freelove1, it is illegal, and this is not the best spot to ask. pm me
[07:03] <freelove1> i OWN the dvd:)
[07:04] <digits> brownie17: that depends on which country you are in ;P
[07:04] <brownie17> digits, lets all move to yemen!
[07:04] <freelove1> im in india:)
[07:05] <digits> Brazil (i think it was) would be a good country ;)
[07:05] <brownie17> digits, freelove1, are brazil and india allright for it?
[07:06] <digits> brownie17: i think it was brazil that's scrapped copyright all together, or atleast for american stuff... had something to do with a trade embargo or such
[07:07] <brownie17> digits, cool
[07:07] <digits> brownie17: i know that in sweden you're allowed to make backup's of your owned cd/dvd's - earlier you could "backup" stuff from your friends too, as long as they were close friends ;P
[07:08] <brownie17> digits, cool.
[07:08] <Insom-> digits: that's still the case here in the netherlands... what changed in sweden?
[07:08] <brownie17> digits, yeah where i am i can backup my dvd's, as long as i own the dvd... but why would you "backup" dvd's you OWNED!? it doesnt' make sense!
[07:09] <Insom-> brownie17: kids mess up dvds real fast
[07:09] <Insom-> that's one reason
[07:09] <Insom-> why would it be illegal in the first place?
[07:10] <digits> brownie17: makes alot of sense for me, as i am a father... no have no idea how fast a kid with sticky fingers can completely destroy a dvd ;(
[07:10] <Insom-> you don't buy the media but the license to watch it
[07:12] <brownie17> digits, hahahha, only let them touch the backups, keep the origionals in a gun safe with a turret!
[07:12] <brownie17> digits, being only 15 it makes it a little less likely i am a father!
[07:16] <digits> hehe
[07:17] <digits> i just did a checkup on swedish copyright laws, and according to them you're only allowed to make backups of computer programs if it is necessary for the usage of the program.
[07:18] <digits> BUT i can copy ANYTHING that's showed on tv to dvd, vhs or whichever media I want... as long as I do it myself.
[07:19] <digits> time to start doing 24hour backups of the disney channel... ;)
[07:20] <brownie17> digits, in australia it is illegal to copy and movie or show or even ads from tv onto dvd or vhs or anything
[07:21] <digits> hehe
[07:22] <rss> hello, how do i change the mouse configuration
[07:22] <rss> doing dpkg-reconfigue xserver-xorg is not giving me the option to choose the mouse
[07:24] <digits> rss: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:24] <rss> digits: I don't know whether this in Intellimouse or MouseMan
[07:24] <rss> or other
[07:24] <rss> but debian use to correctly configure it
[07:25] <rss> it is a rebranded mouse
[07:25] <digits> rss: trial and terror, try one... if it works it's correct, otherwise just change it :)
[07:26] <rss> is that IntelliMouse or Intellimouse?
[07:26] <rss> is it case-sensitive?
[07:27] <digits> i'd go all lowercase
[07:27] <rss> ok
[07:30] <Flammia> hello
[07:31] <digits> hi there
[07:33] <Flammia> anyone got advice on how to change screen res and/or colour depth (without doing a dpkg-reconfigure)??
[07:33] <Tm_T> robitaille: youre in dapper?
[07:34] <robitaille> Tm_T,  yes
[07:35] <Tm_T> uff, and your network connection comes up at startup?
[07:35] <Tm_T> because mine doesn't :p
[07:35] <Flammia> soooo... nobody can tell me where to change screen resolution??
[07:36] <digits> Flammia: Just in X?
[07:36] <Tm_T> Flammia: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf are the settings
[07:36] <Flammia> there's nothing through the KDE GUI??
[07:36] <Flammia> I just don't want to reset every time I change the settings
[07:36] <Tm_T> reset ?
[07:37] <Flammia> yeah... so the GUI refreshes, and such??
[07:37] <Flammia> I was under the impression that you have to reset to have a dpkg-reconfigure do its work
[07:37] <Tm_T> Flammia: use rightclick on desktop -> Configure Desktop ->
[07:37] <Tm_T> noooo
[07:37] <Tm_T> you need to boot only when you upgrade kernel
[07:38] <Flammia> ah, thanks TM
[07:38] <Tm_T> not much else
[07:38] <Flammia> well I'd still need to reset the GUI, right??
[07:38] <Flammia> at least... I had to with gnome
[07:38] <Tm_T> Flammia: did you checked that configure I explained just?
[07:39] <Flammia> yeah, I found screen res in there, and thanked you for that info
[07:39] <Tm_T> yay
[07:39] <Tm_T> that works immediately
[07:39] <Flammia> heh
[07:39] <Tm_T> you don't have to reset anything
[07:39] <Flammia> yup... now all I need to know is where to change colour depth... any suggestions??
[07:39] <Tm_T> uff
[07:40] <Tm_T> then use dpkg-reconfigure ;)
[07:40] <Tm_T> or just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:40] <Tm_T> you choose
[07:40] <Flammia> see, my video card is from Pre-WW2, so I can't run it with good colour on a high res... but that kills some textures/fonts/windows, so when I want to check those, I reduce res and increasecolour depth
[07:41] <Tm_T> aah
[07:41] <Tm_T> not a good idea
[07:41] <Flammia> not a good idea to use such an old crd, or to keep switching like that??
[07:43] <Tm_T> both
[07:43] <Tm_T> you see, proper card costs less then 40 or $
[07:43] <Flammia> lol
[07:44] <Flammia> it'll be remedied as soon as my new card comes in
[07:44] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:44] <Flammia> I just took this one out of an old box I had lying around, when I realized I don't have onboard video
[07:44] <Tm_T> heh
[07:44] <Flammia> if you can't tell, I'm a linux noob :P
[07:45] <Tm_T> I'm sort of too
[07:45] <Tm_T> I don't yet write my own programs
[07:45] <Flammia> well... you know about X, so either you're more experienced than me, or you had problems with it (like me)
[07:46] <Flammia> I learned how to write a script yesterday :P
[07:46] <Tm_T> heh
[07:47] <jbueler> quick question I hope
[07:47] <Tm_T> I've been using linux about 1,5 years now
[07:47] <Tm_T> jbueler: please shoot
[07:47] <jbueler> how do i install java inkubuntu?
[07:47] <Tm_T> ah
[07:47] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell jbueler about java
[07:47] <Tm_T> ubotu: tell jbueler about javadebs
[07:48] <Tm_T> jbueler: if there's something strange, just ask ;)
[07:48] <Flammia> ubotu: tell jbueler about adept
[07:48] <jbueler> yeah thanks :)
[07:48] <Flammia> quick... let's spam him with ubotu!!
[07:49] <Tm_T> rahter not
[07:49] <Tm_T> th
[07:49] <Flammia> 1.5 years, eh... I've been using it for about 1.5 weeks
[07:49] <Flammia> I'm practically a pro!!
[07:50] <Tm_T> haha
[07:50] <Flammia> question... do USB keys need to be "safely removed" as in XP??
[07:50] <Tm_T> you can do it
[07:51] <Tm_T> I don't say it's needed to be done
[07:53] <Flammia> how is it done... do you just unmount??
[07:54] <Tm_T> hum, in konqueror
[07:54] <Tm_T> media:/  or  system:/media/
[07:55] <Tm_T> and there, use rightclick to your stick
[07:55] <Flammia> well... it shows up as a folder in /media
[07:55] <Flammia> but it's not mounted in media:/
[07:55] <Tm_T> uh
[07:56] <Flammia> and mtab says it's mounted :S
[07:56] <Flammia> so ridiculouc
[07:57] <Tm_T> well, unmount it
[07:57] <Tm_T> that's enough
[07:58] <Flammia> lol... I try to mount, it gives me a "its already mounted in mtab"
[07:58] <Flammia> I try to unmount, it says "it's not mounted in fstab"
[07:58] <Flammia> make up your mind!!
[07:59] <stefan> hey
[08:00] <stefan> *yawn*
[08:01] <Flammia> hi
[08:01] <Flammia> hey Hobbsee :)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> hey Flammia
[08:02] <Flammia> you missed an enlightening conversation about the woes of a USB key
[08:03] <Hobbsee> oh?
[08:03] <Hobbsee> pity
[08:03] <Hobbsee> did it get washed?
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb Hobbsee
[08:04] <Hobbsee> ty Kamping_Kaiser
[08:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:05] <Flammia> no... it just likes pretending not to be mounted
[08:05] <lwizardl> what program runs .pl files?
[08:05] <PokerFacePenguin> perl
[08:05] <stefan> does anyone know if kubuntu (kde) would run smoothly on a 700mhz/256mb ram - laptop (x21)? or would it be better to use something like fluxbox?
[08:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;ohhhh *runs off to try and find out if empire earth runs in wine*
[08:05] <Hobbsee> Flammia: ah fun
[08:05] <nalioth> !xubuntu
[08:05] <ubotu> hmm... xubuntu is Ubuntu using XFCE instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu
[08:05] <Flammia> yeah, that's what I thought too
[08:06] <Flammia> XFCE??
[08:06] <Flammia> I didn't know there was anything other than KDE and Gnome
[08:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> crap. i might have just hosed an alpha
[08:06] <Flammia> !wine
[08:07] <PokerFacePenguin> !Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister
[08:07] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, PokerFacePenguin
[08:07] <PokerFacePenguin> :P
[08:07] <nalioth> Flammia: all DEs are available here (if they are f/oss)
[08:08] <lwizardl> PokerFacePenguin: ok so in kubuntu i'd use what
[08:08] <PokerFacePenguin> !perl
[08:08] <ubotu> PokerFacePenguin: I don't know
[08:08] <PokerFacePenguin> perl is a programming lang
[08:09] <Chousuke> Flammia: There exist many others :P
[08:09] <Flammia> nalioth: no... I meant I didn't even know there were DEs other than KDE and Gnome
[08:09] <stefan> wizard: wizard: chmod +x foo.pl;./foo.pl
[08:09] <nalioth> Flammia: more than you can imagine
[08:09] <Flammia> meh... I'll stick with the mainstream for now :P
[08:09] <Tm_T> Hobbsee, nalioth, Kamping_Kaiser o7
[08:09] <PokerFacePenguin> stefan: didnt realize he had a non executable...oops
[08:09] <Chousuke> Flammia: if you count WMs there are dozens :P
[08:09] <Chousuke> not that many DEs I think.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: what?
[08:10] <Tm_T> o7
[08:10] <Hobbsee> what's that for?
[08:10] <Tm_T> =)
[08:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> what?
[08:10] <Tm_T> o as a head, 7 as a hand
[08:10] <Tm_T> and then... use your imagination ;)
[08:10] <Flammia> lol... it's a wave!!
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i see....
[08:11] <Hobbsee> ah...
[08:11] <Hobbsee> never seen that before
[08:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: not sure using my imagination there was a good thing ;)
[08:11] <Tm_T> more like salutation in military way
[08:11] <lwizardl> stefan: ok and how do i start them ?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> lol Kamping_Kaiser
[08:11] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: you better not
[08:11] <Tm_T> Kamping_Kaiser: it's not lamb
[08:12] <stefan> wizard: have you ever used linux/unix before?
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[08:12] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:12] <lwizardl> stefan: yes but not much, mainly windows user
[08:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[08:13] <stefan> wizard: open up a console/shell/whateveryouwanttocallit (click on the black screen-icon ">_"), cd to the directory where your .pl is stored
[08:13] <lwizardl> did that and did the chmod
[08:13] <stefan> riught
[08:14] <stefan> now just type ./whatever.pl
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> *sqeeks* steam runs under wine :O
[08:14] <lwizardl> bash: xexdump.pl: command not found
[08:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> lwizardl: the ./ is important
[08:14] <stefan> if you want to run a executable (binary/script..) in the CURRENT directory you have to add a "./", which means "here".. "." is the current dir
[08:15] <lwizardl> ./xexdump.pl: missing file argument
[08:15] <Tm_T> dcop <3
[08:16] <stefan> wizard i dont know what you are trying, but it seems you have to read the manual for "xexdump"
[08:16] <Flammia> Kamping_Kaiser: so does Ragnarok Online
[08:16] <lwizardl> ok so to start any pl file i just do the chmod +x to make executable
[08:17] <lwizardl> and then ./name.pl to start it
[08:17] <stefan> generally yes.. you can skip the first step if its already +x
[08:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Flammia: i don't use ragnarok :)
[08:17] <lwizardl> stefan: ok thanks
[08:20] <Flammia> Kamping_Kaiser: why not?!?!
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> Flammia: i have enough personality problems, without creteing more me's
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have a runescape accoutn that almost never gets used. that's as far as i go ;)
[08:25] <Flammia> ew... tried Runescape once... never much liked it
[08:25] <Flammia> it didn't have enough 14 year olds to make fun of
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> some mates are realy into it, so i only ever use it when I'm hanging out with them (if i cbfd)
[08:32] <tareq> hi again
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi  :)
[08:33] <tareq> so there is no way to span the kubuntu partition into free space w/o reinstall
[08:34] <tareq> ?
[08:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> tareq: i didnt see you when you were here before, but you should be able to resize from a live cd
[08:34] <tareq> but the free space in front of the ext3 partition
[08:34] <tareq> someone said i couldn't
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i sse
[08:35] <tareq> and i can't seem to with qtparted
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure in that case. go with whatever other person said ;)
[08:35] <tareq> really don't want to reinstall...
[08:35] <tareq> i'll have to dl the updates again
[08:35] <tareq> and im already over my bandwidth
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> how much space is there?
[08:37] <tareq> bandwidth? im already over. kubuntu has 11Gb right now, i can stick another 25 if can change the partitions
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> free space in front of Kubuntu?
[08:37] <tareq> yes
[08:37] <tareq> 25 in front of kubuntu
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah. 25 gig?
[08:37] <tareq> iyes
[08:38] <tareq> i had windows xp, but i killed the partition, but since kubuntu has everything i need for a while, im happy not doing anything about it.
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. you can just whack another partition in there.
[08:39] <tareq> and on a sidenote... how do i change the grub loader... it still points to win xp even though win xp is not there
[08:39] <tareq> like
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> but you cant resize your current one
[08:39] <tareq> how about
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> tareq: and to change grub you can just edit /boot/grub/menu.list
[08:40] <tareq> i make a new partition in the 25 gig. then free up the 11 gig, then expand into that
[08:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. or you can just make a 25 gig /home/
[08:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> leave the 11 as is. wich ever you choose
[08:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> you could probably do some evil with new partion, copy old os, buti wont be involved.
[08:45] <tareq> how do i change the menu.list as root
[08:47] <Insom-> sudo vim /boot/grub/menu.list
[08:47] <Insom-> or replace vim with your preffered editor
[08:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> tareq: kdesu kate  or sudo nano i recomend for editing stuff
[08:52] <tareq> ty
[09:20] <chx> i tried the following command: something `find . -iname \*foo\*` but as all files found has spaces in the filename it caused problems
[09:20] <chx> what's the correct way ?
[09:22] <crimsun> ...to do what?
[09:23] <chx> to pass file names with spaces in it to a program ... but those file names are several directories deep
[09:24] <Kaiser_Eats> whqat program?
[09:24] <chx> beep-media-player
[09:27] <tareq> hi
[09:28] <tareq> how do I give ownership of a folder/drive to a specific user?
[09:29] <Kaiser_Eats> chown
[09:34] <tareq> ty
[09:57] <juanjo> join #hardware
[09:59] <artox> hey all!
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[09:59] <artox> is it possible to limit the system ressources one program gets?
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[09:59] <artox> eg. max ram/ max cpu load
[09:59] <artox> how please =)
[09:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's kinda hard IIRC, but I'll just find the file
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/security/limits.conf <-
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: you're in SA, are you not ?
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> correct
[10:01] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: do you know about this business: http://www.iseek.biz  ?
[10:02] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: indeed it shows a cloak if it is working :)
[10:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> never heard of the gang before
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll just grep my email . just at ic
[10:04] <thoreauputic> I emailed the guys at that URL (they do machines with Ubuntu preinstalled) - since I'm in NSW they replied with the name of their suppliers and said it would be cheaper to buy direct - I was quite impressed that they were so fair and willing to lose a sale
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> get nothing
[10:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh. don't know them/of them
[10:06] <thoreauputic> artox:  you want the nice/renice commands
[10:06] <thoreauputic> artox: you can reduce the process priority with those commands
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> those blokes look quite good
[10:08] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: well, I was impressed with the speed and honesty of their reply
[10:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder why i havent heard of them. they do linux ;|
[10:09] <thoreauputic> well they are in Adelaide so if that's where you are you could visit them I guess
[10:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm just suprised that i have never heard of them.
[10:10] <thoreauputic> I saw them here ; http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/supportoptions/marketplace/oceania/
[10:10] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: it's part of whole linux thing, money isn't the biggest priority
[10:10] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: true, but this *is* a business after all :)
[10:11] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: just like it's business to me
[10:11] <Tm_T> and I get no money at all
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: so I thought I'd mention them on IRC - any company that is honest and refers you to their supplier can't be all bad IMO
[10:11] <Tm_T> and if I have to choose a greed dayjob or working long hours to comunity, I choose community
[10:12] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: aye, always worth to mention :)
[10:12] <Tm_T> that's australian company, right?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> yes
[10:14] <Tm_T> uff
[10:14] <Tm_T> not too far away ;)
[10:14] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: long swim from Finland ;)
[10:15] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: nah, can do it any time
[10:15] <Tm_T> ;--P
[10:47] <douglas> I have a samba share mounted with smbmount to my home directory in a folder, everytime I copy a file to them it says cannot change permissions on file and sometimes konqueror crashes because of that, copying from a term work fine???
[10:56] <virgis> how to fix this error?           Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[11:09] <Flixor-> hi everybody
[11:41] <guyabano> hi people i need help, i need to copy file from another hard disk
[11:42] <guyabano> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:42] <guyabano>  sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[11:42] <guyabano> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[11:42] <guyabano>  ls -l ~/
[11:42] <guyabano> i tried these: and then it said:
[11:42] <guyabano> sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:42] <guyabano>  sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[11:42] <guyabano> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt
[11:42] <guyabano>  ls -l ~/
[11:42] <guyabano> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[11:43] <guyabano> someone pleease help me
[11:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> guyabano: what's on the second hard drive?
[11:44] <guyabano>  Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[11:44] <guyabano> /dev/hda1   *           1        1190     9558643+  83  Linux
[11:44] <guyabano> /dev/hda2            1191        1245      441787+   5  Extended
[11:44] <guyabano> /dev/hda5            1191        1245      441756   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, I'm no better off, and your one flood more unpopular
[11:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's on hdb?
[11:46] <guyabano> what do you mean what's on hdb?
[11:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you want to get off? is it a Windows file system? linux? bsd? amstrad?
[11:48] <guyabano> linux of course
[11:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so you want a line like `sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb? /mnt`
[11:50] <guyabano> yes
[11:51] <guyabano> what do i do
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> type it in a konsole
[11:52] <guyabano> guyabano@guyabano:~$ sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb /mnt
[11:52] <guyabano> mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist
[11:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> can you paste the output of `cat /proc/partitions` to #flood or pastebin please
[11:55] <brosiooz> kde on dapper are 3.5 or 3.5rc1 ?
[11:55] <guyabano> i already posted at #flood
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> guyabano: you have a lot of partitons on that hard drive
[11:57] <guyabano> yeah
[11:57] <brosiooz> anyone know if kde on dapper are 3.5 or 3.5rc1 ?
[11:57] <guyabano> i need to get my  file :(
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> brosiooz: it seems no one does.
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> since dapper wont be out for another 5 months, i expect 3.5
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry for snapping at you brosiooz
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm a bit grouchy :S
[11:58] <brosiooz> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=dapper&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kdebase&searchon=names
[11:58] <Tm_T> why daooer would have rc1 ?
[11:58] <Tm_T> dapper
[11:58] <brosiooz> dapper (kde): base components from the official KDE release
[11:58] <brosiooz> 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu1: all
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> guyabano: mount them one at a time to look then
[11:58] <brosiooz> what mean 0ubuntu1
[11:58] <brosiooz> :\
[11:58] <Tm_T> it means first ubuntu version of that package
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> `sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hdc? /mnt` where ? is a number (1,2,5,6)
[11:59] <Tm_T> small fix and there will be 2
[11:59] <brosiooz> ok
[11:59] <brosiooz> another question
[11:59] <brosiooz> openoffice2
[11:59] <brosiooz> why isn't on repository ?
[11:59] <Tm_T> it is
[11:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> in dapper and Breezy
[11:59] <brosiooz> i found only a version but isn't 2
[11:59] <brosiooz> it's 2 candicate
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, yes, 1.9.27somethiung . somehjitng is Breezy's
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2.0 is in dapper, and it's no different
[12:00] <Tm_T> lemme check
[12:00] <poningru> Kamping_Kaiser: actually there is a difference
[12:00] <poningru> some crash fixes
[12:01] <Tm_T> openoffice.org2-core/unknown uptodate 2.0.0m143-0ubuntu2
[12:01] <Tm_T> that is 2.0.0 or what?!
[12:01] <poningru> and not sure if the one mem leake was fixed before or after this
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> pointwood: Breezy's will have the update patches, but wont change version number
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> so basicly the same
[12:02] <Tm_T> and dapper has 2.0 as you can see
[12:02] <Tm_T> soo, more questions?
[12:03] <pointwood> Kamping_Kaiser: ???
[12:03] <pointwood> I guess it wasn't for me? :)
[12:03] <brosiooz> yes one
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do you do with a seriously pissed off moody geek Tm_T? ;S
[12:03] <brosiooz> dapper has security update or not ?
[12:03] <Tm_T> brosiooz: ofcourse
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> not repositories. the updates go strait into the packages
[12:04] <Tm_T> yu
[12:38] <Tm_T>  wheeee
[12:38] <_wish> haha, part?
[12:39] <Tm_T> our server where this irssi is running lost its network connection for a minute or 10
[12:41] <_wish> Tm_T: well I am new here, but welcome back :)
[12:41] <Tm_T> ty :)
[12:44] <Tm_T> aww, work work work ->
[01:01] <rkroetch> Hey, I currently run slackware but am switching over to the AMD64 architecture. Can I get any opinions on the viability of Kubuntu as a desktop OS? And why I should use it over other distros?
[01:04] <Hobbsee> !root
[01:04] <ubotu> [root]  rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:04] <rkroetch> *runs away crying*
[01:05] <rkroetch> What is the mentality behind that?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> rkroetch: sorry, was just looking for that link
[01:06] <Hobbsee> i dont run AMD64, so i cant really tell you about that, seems viable as a desktop OS - does everything i want it to do.  As for why you should use it over other distros - probably look around on distrowatch.com for reviews, and ubuntuforums.org - there are a lot of those type of threads
[01:06] <Hobbsee> rkroetch: does that help?
[01:07] <rkroetch> Do you know the mentality to not having a root account? And instead trusting a normal user with root privileges through sudo?
[01:09] <rkroetch> Well reading the wiki... but disagree.. and just found SLAMD64 :) Thanks for trying though
[01:17] <_wish> any one here use the webdav:// kio slave?
[01:50] <_triablo> how to install codecs for kaffeine ? I cp essential codecs in /usr/lib/win32 but does'n work
[02:07] <angasule> is it possible to have the 'win' key as a shortcut for the popup launch menu? It seems to handle it as a modifier only
[02:17] <B3DI> buenas gente
[02:17] <B3DI> necesito saber
[02:17] <B3DI> cual era el archivo que hay que modificar
[02:17] <B3DI> para poner el monitor a 85Hz
[02:18] <B3DI> who is the chanel of kubuntu in spanish ???
[02:19] <hh2k> maybe look here http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat
[02:19] <hh2k> if there is a spanish channel
[02:21] <B3DI> thk
[02:21] <B3DI> :)
[02:49] <kkathman> nice article about Ubuntu: http://www.xyzcomputing.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=492
[03:05] <DjDarkman> what is the file that contains the repositories for apt?
[03:05] <djk_> sources.list ?
[03:06] <DjDarkman> i think so
[03:06] <DjDarkman> where is it
[03:06] <DjDarkman> exactly
[03:06] <DjDarkman> ?
[03:06] <djk_> DjDarkman: /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:06] <DjDarkman> ./etc/ ?
[03:06] <kkathman> yes
[03:06] <kkathman> see above
[03:06] <DjDarkman> k thanx
[03:06] <DjDarkman> have a nice day
[03:08] <kkathman> howdy djk_ :)
[03:09] <djk_> kkathman: hi :)
[03:10] <djk_> kkathman: i don't get that article ^^ the % are screwed..
[03:10] <kkathman> seems so yes?
[03:10] <kkathman> I wonder how they chose the sample :)
[03:10] <kkathman> in the #ubuntu channel?
[03:11] <angasule> heh
[03:11] <angasule> and no redhat?
[03:12] <kkathman> yeah odd yes?
[03:13] <djk_> well, not in the article, but fedora is at 26% in the pdf..
[03:13] <kkathman> maybe they are talking about newbies...I think that was the gist
[03:13] <[miles] > afternoon #kubuntu...
[03:13] <angasule> hi miles
[03:13] <[miles] > I did a clean install yesterday, all going well, bar one thing
[03:13] <djk_> i wonder if there were multiple answers possible.. it doesn't say anything about that in the article nor in the pdf
[03:14] <angasule> and given the % do not add to 100%... I'd say the article isn't very accurate as to what the numbers mean
[03:14] <[miles] > everytime I reboot the box, I have to manually configure the nic via console... for some reason it is peremently dissabled when I go into the KDE settings section... anyone experienced this please?
[03:14] <[miles] > yo angasule
[03:14] <angasule> well, if multiple answers weren't possible, they used a bugged pentium to add the results :)
[03:14] <kkathman> I think that his point was...that whatever his sample source..Ubuntu is extremely successful
[03:15] <djk_> angasule: hehe, yeah, oh and. redhat EL had 19% in the pdf..
[03:15] <kkathman> but the 53% seemed a little skewed
[03:15] <djk_> kkathman: well yes, but if the source he's basing his statement on is crap..
[03:15] <kkathman> so you know they took that from a controlled sample of some sort
[03:16] <djk_> kkathman: take a look at the pdf.. that survey is really weird...
[03:17] <djk_> who in here has even heard of Wind River linux..
[03:17] <kkathman> this seems to be a key phrase:  though the survey admittedly had more exposure in certain communities than others),
[03:17] <kkathman> hmmm
[03:18] <djk_> kkathman: i find it rather odd that wind river gets mentioned with whooping 4 votes, yet the 15% (or 509 votes) for other distros don't get mentioned..
[03:19] <djk_> [miles] : do you use pppoe?
[03:19] <[miles] > nope
[03:19] <kkathman> djk_:  notice the wording of the question.....that says alot
[03:19] <[miles] > direct lan connection to the routrer djk_
[03:20] <kkathman> i.e. "considering or running"
[03:20] <angasule> I'm considering moving to the moon
[03:20] <kkathman> And I imagine that the surveyor was working off of a prescribed list
[03:21] <angasule> poll: how many inhabitants does the moon have?
[03:21] <kkathman> so this is a bit more valdating
[03:21] <angasule> kkathman: no, some very odd distros were mentioned, I don't think the list was limited
[03:21] <djk_> kkathman: yea. the wording is crap.. especially since later on  there is [Specify all that apply]  behind the questions..
[03:21] <kkathman> I imagine that they had a list...then asked the contact if he/she had any others
[03:22] <kkathman> thats the way that usually goes
[03:22] <djk_> angasule: after the most recent southpark episode, the moon has at least one whale..
[03:22] <kkathman> Are you considering....Red Hat, SuSE, Ubutu, Debian.......Are there any others you are considering?
[03:22] <kkathman> etc
[03:22] <angasule> haven't seen it
[03:23] <angasule> kkathman: aah, misleading, like are you considering... ubuntu, kubuntu, debian or a crappy distro? :P
[03:23] <angasule> I'm definitely not serious by now, I must say
[03:23] <djk_> angasule: neither is that survey ;)
[03:24] <angasule> but it says what we want to hear!
[03:25] <djk_> angasule: that's like being proud of your woman faking it..
[03:25] <kkathman> angasule: well I just know how these surveys tend to work..they read a list and have the target say yes or no. Then at the end they say, "Are you considering any others I have not mentioned"
[03:26] <angasule> djk_: she fakes it better than Meg Ryan :D
[03:26] <kkathman> the real thing is.. where did they get their sample and how was it qualified and over what portion of the population.
[03:26] <djk_> hehe :D
[03:32] <kkathman> djk_: one thing to remember on that survey tho...they are talking about "desktop" linux..not servers, so there may be more sense there than we give it credit.
[03:33] <kkathman> being in the industry and selling /demoing software to fairly large companies, I dont see SuSE and RedHat on the desktop admittedly
[03:34] <djk_> kkathman: redhat enterprise linux with 19% on desktop?
[03:35] <kkathman> djk_: thats not that surprising
[03:35] <rodro> cual es el channel de chile
[03:35] <djk_> kkathman: btw, it's SUSE since novell bought it ;)
[03:35] <angasule> rodro: #kubuntu-es es un canal de kubuntu en castellano
[03:36] <kkathman> djk_: oh yeah... well old habits die hard
[03:36] <angasule> djk_: the heathens! they changed that? not like I remember why it was SuSE, anyway
[03:36] <djk_> angasule: even worse, they're using Gnome now as default!
[03:36] <kkathman> I remember paying $19.95 and getting a SuSE distribution like 3.0
[03:36] <angasule> they'll burn in hell for all eternity! :P
[03:37] <djk_> they better!
[03:37] <kkathman> installing it as a dual boot on a Dell p2 450
[03:37] <angasule> I paid $100 for suse 7.0
[03:37] <angasule> lots of dead tree with the CDs
[03:37] <kkathman> angasule: why?? You can download it for free
[03:37] <djk_> i copied suse 7.0 from a friend and never used it.. damn 7 cds
[03:37] <kkathman> ahh
[03:37] <kkathman> lol
[03:38] <angasule> the dead tree part was important, it was my first distro, and this was a few years ago, broadband was rare
[03:39] <kkathman> ahh
[03:39] <kkathman> yah
[03:39] <kkathman> can understand
[03:39] <angasule> in fact, for quite some time, I used a 2400bps modem, because I had a winmodem, which, obviously, didn't work
[03:39] <angasule> 1 hour to download email, feel the pain!
[03:40] <kkathman> wow 3.0 was when you had to go deep into your monitor manuals, your video card manuals, etc to get all those things like vsync/hsync..blah... and put those in manually
[03:40] <djk_> angasule: serves you right for having friends :p
[03:40] <angasule> and some of them are female humans :P
[03:41] <djk_> that explains the 1 hour...
[03:41] <angasule> but most of the email was geeky email lists
[03:41] <hh2k> females? eww hehe
[03:41] <angasule> hehehe
[03:42] <angasule> suse 7.0, then 8.something, then gentoo, now kubuntu
[03:43] <djk_> why no gentoo anymore?
[03:43] <angasule> well, I broke it, badly
[03:44] <angasule> because I installed it as a toy, so I installed everything under the sun, on the other side on the moon and even what was behind the refrigerator
[03:44] <angasule> then, I recompiled it all with different flags
[03:44] <djk_> that's not too healthy..
[03:44] <angasule> then I decided I needed more free space (well, actually, I had 0 bytes left, so 'decided' is giving me too much credit)
[03:45] <dipnlik> LOL
[03:45] <angasule> so, I started removing packages, and while doing that, I removed some that I shouldn't
[03:46] <angasule> it was fun, though
[03:46] <angasule> anyway, I had a kubuntu live CD, and I thought I might as well try the real thing, and here I am
[03:48] <kkathman> Anyone have a line on like surplus laptops?  Im looking to maybe pick one up very cheap to play with LInux on it (I have three desktops already)
[03:51] <kkathman> Hi LeeJunFan :)
[03:51] <djk_> kkathman: tried ebay?
[03:51] <angasule> kkathman: if you feel you have too many desktops, I can go by your house and take them
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> heya, fun fun.
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: at a school which gets internet from me, the linux router I built them just had an ethernet dev go dead, luckilly I had the forethought to put an extra one in, so it was just a matter of editing /etc/iftab, swapping a cable :)
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> owell, off I go. :) later.
[03:59] <poimen> hi
[03:59] <poimen> I have a pentium D proc
[03:59] <poimen> 830 proccesor that has the EMT64 thintg
[03:59] <poimen> I am running the x86 kubuntu
[04:00] <poimen> should I install the x86-64  ??
[04:00] <poimen> It will make my PC run faster?
[04:00] <poimen> I mean the apps
[04:03] <_max> Hi all
[04:03] <_max> My sound works in Ubuntu while it doesnt work in Kubuntu
[04:03] <_max> Anyone got an idea?
[04:06] <kkathman> _max: what app are you using in each?
[04:07] <kkathman> bbiab
[04:12] <_max> Well in  Kubuntu it just doesn't work, doesn't matter which app i use, and in Ubuntu all apps work except Realplayer
[04:17] <robotgeek> _max: might have something to do with the the artsd daemon, does the sound test work for you
[04:20] <_max> no
[04:40] <_wish> so, is it normally this quite in here?
[04:42] <_max> apparently
[04:44] <joe_> maybe we should just goto #ubuntu...
[04:44] <_wish> lo all
[04:45] <joe_> hi
[04:47] <_wish> does any one know howto disable the gam_server, or why I should not
[04:50] <seth_k> poimen, um, no... x64 is for athlon 64s, not Pentium D's.
[04:51] <robotgeek> seth_k: morning
[04:51] <seth_k> hi robotgeek
[04:52] <nikkia> seth_k, why wouldn't it be? the pentium-D has the EM64T extension
[05:05] <frootstripe>  hi all, new user of Kubuntu - havin fun w/ it!
[05:17] <pointwood> can anyone tell me why podcasts in amarok sounds awful? they are skipping all the time
[05:17] <pointwood> I'm using gstreamer
[05:18] <_hirs> try using amarok-xine, and use 1.3.7
[05:18] <_hirs> http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.7/pool-breezy/amarok/
[05:18] <_hirs> how can I purge a package that is not installed?
[05:19] <_hirs> I mean, i want to remove the configutation files of removed packages
[05:19] <pointwood> I thought gstreamer was the preferred
[05:20] <_hirs> well is the default, but i prefer xine, is lighter and good enough
[05:20] <pointwood> k
[05:20] <pointwood> I'll try that
[05:21] <gerst> hi
[05:22] <gerst> why is that that if I open something like seetings system , system services and I identify myself as root, than it waits for a few second and nothing happens..
[05:22] <gerst> and I dont get root privileges
[05:23] <_hirs> it should appear a password dialog
[05:23] <gerst> yes
[05:23] <gerst> than i enter my psw
[05:23] <gerst> but i dont get root privileges
[05:23] <_hirs> you don't get the conf window?
[05:23] <nikkia> gerst its a bug in the way kcontrol gets root privs, doesn't happen to everyone, and doesn't seem to be tied to any particular distro
[05:24] <nikkia> gerst, use alt-f2 then 'kdesu kcontrol'
[05:24] <gerst> aha.. can i fix it somehow?
[05:24] <nikkia> no, you have to work around it with using kdesu
[05:24] <_hirs> you can try from console kdesu systemsettings
[05:24] <gerst> aha.. thanks
[05:24] <gerst> I`ll try
[05:24] <_hirs> or what nikkia says :)
[05:25] <nikkia> gerst, some people seem to think its a kubuntu bug, but i get it on my hand-compiled KDE on a LFS setup too
[05:25] <gerst> so its a kde bug :)
[05:25] <nikkia> so its not specific to kubuntu (or the way it uses sudo instead of a root password)
[05:25] <nikkia> gerst, yes, looks like it, could be a PAM bug tho, who knows
[05:26] <gerst> but at least now it works :) thanks for the advice
[05:29] <pointwood> _hirs: hrm...it can't play mp3...
[05:30] <_hirs> I think you need libmad installed
[05:30] <_hirs> are you using 1.3.7?
[05:31] <pointwood> already have that installed and yes
[05:31] <_hirs> do you have multiverse in your sources?
[05:32] <pointwood> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[05:32] <pointwood> I got that
[05:32] <_hirs> backports?
[05:32] <gerst> anyone has a lexmark z600 series printer?
[05:32] <gerst> that works? :D
[05:33] <_hirs> pointwood: try deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[05:33] <gerst> I`ve installed with no error everything seems rigt but it doesnt work
[05:33] <_hirs> pointwood: for some reason when I installed mplayer from there i got mp3 support
[05:34] <pointwood> I can play mp3 with gstreamer
[05:34] <dissed> any1 who can help me get my kubuntu running?
[05:34] <dissed> installed it three times, each time i reboot, nothing happens, absolutely nothing
[05:34] <_hirs> pointwood: do you still have problems with the new version?
[05:35] <pointwood> not sure what you want me to do?
[05:35] <dissed> anyone who can help me?
[05:36] <_hirs> pointwood: download amarok-gstreamer 1.3.7 and install it, then select gstreamer engine and try to listen a podcast
[05:36] <dissed> i figured it had something to do with grub, but i dont know how to config i cant go anywhere
[05:36] <pointwood> you want me to remove amarok and then re-install it?
[05:37] <_hirs> dissed: what is exactly the problem?
[05:37] <_hirs> pointwood: no, only install amarok-gstreamer package
[05:37] <pointwood> already installed
[05:37] <dissed> _hirs: nothing happens, when i reboot with a fresh install i cant boot
[05:37] <_hirs> pointwood: then you will be able to choose between xine and gstreamer in amarok config
[05:38] <_hirs> dissed: any message?
[05:38] <dissed> just in swedish, it says the os can not be loaded, something like that
[05:39] <pointwood> we need the exact message
[05:39] <dissed> in swedish: operativsystemet kan inte startas
[05:39] <pointwood> that's it?
[05:39] <dissed> yep
[05:40] <pointwood> hrmpf
[05:40] <pointwood> nothing at all before that?
[05:40] <_hirs> dissed: did you install grub in hda? or hda<something>?
[05:40] <_hirs> dissed: it should be installed on the MBR
[05:40] <dissed> dont think it is...
[05:40] <dissed> how to i fix that then?
[05:41] <dissed> do*
[05:41] <_hirs> dissed: try reinstalling kubuntu, if it ask you to install grub be sure is on hda
[05:42] <dissed> ok ill try that
[05:42] <dissed> thank
[05:42] <dissed> thanks
[05:42] <_hirs> np
[05:43] <lorion> Can someone recommend a good tape backup solution for kubuntu that can also back up winxp boxes?
[05:44] <pointwood> bah...stupid sound engines
[05:45] <lorion> Anyone using tape bakups with kubuntu?
[05:46] <seezer> hi
[05:58] <seezer> anyone got amarok running with libmusicbrainz?
[06:02] <nalioth> seezer: you'll probably need to compile that stuff yourself
[06:03] <seezer> hm.. just found it in the bug list. mkay, gonna try that later.
[06:07] <reagleBRKLN> [4478350.969000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[06:07] <reagleBRKLN> [4478350.969000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known."
[06:07] <reagleBRKLN> my syslog is full of those two lines, how to fix it so they don't fill the log?
[06:09] <rosco> hi
[06:09] <lazarus> nabend
[06:10] <rosco> someone know if the powerpc version of kubuntu support the wireless and the touchpad of the powerbook ?
[06:11] <lazarus> it should
[06:11] <lazarus> is somebody using kxdocker
[06:12] <Riddell> rosco: it depends on the version of your powerbook
[06:13] <brosiooz> kdemultimedia noatun-plugins  streamtuner vlc  ttf-thryomanes    vlc-plugin-alsa mozilla-plugin-vlc  streamripper after that i've install these packages the sound evrys system sound on kde termite in 1 sec. anyone can help ?
[06:13] <brosiooz> i've try to remove them but is the same
[06:14] <lwizardl1> how do I mount a second hd
[06:16] <brosiooz> noone can help ? :|
[06:20] <lwizardl1> i have the hdb1 enabled in disks & filesystems its mounted as /mnt/pcstorage and everytime i try to make a link to it on the desktop it errors
[06:24] <patoruso> hi there
[06:24] <patoruso> i need some help guys
[06:25] <patoruso> i want to play yahoo games, but the browser tell me i don't have java runtime enviroment
[06:25] <patoruso> how can i solve it ??
[06:26] <_hirs> firefox doesn't install it atomatically?
[06:27] <patoruso> i tried with firefox and konqueror none works
[06:27] <patoruso> i think i may not have java ,maybe
[06:29] <patoruso> wait i think i got it
[06:29] <patoruso> yeah, it was the browser configuration, java was not enabled
[06:29] <patoruso> thanks anyway
[06:33] <lwizardl1> can anyone help ?
[06:37] <eclub10> alo
[06:45] <poimen> hi again
[06:45] <poimen> I asked a wile ago about if I should use kubuntu por 86-64
[06:46] <poimen> I use x86 one
[06:46] <poimen> I could read the awser if any
[06:46] <poimen> because I had to go and my PC was turned off when I came home lol I think the electric service went down for some min
[06:47] <poimen> It would be good for me to use the x86-64 vercion of kubuntu? I have a Pentium D 830 proc with the EMT64 thing
[06:47] <poimen> that is dual core also
[06:48] <Riddell> poimen: sounds like 64bit is what you want then
[06:48] <poimen> what are the pro and con about the 64 ed ?
[06:48] <poimen> all software works?
[06:48] <Riddell> poimen: yes, it all works the same
[06:49] <poimen> x86-64 will make my pc apear faster right?
[06:49] <Riddell> poimen: and for dual core you want to install an smp linux build which you have to install with apt-get
[06:49] <Riddell> poimen: it will
[06:50] <poimen> cool :)
[06:50] <Riddell> and with dual core especially so
[06:50] <Riddell> cat /proc/cpuinfo to make sure if lists them both
[06:50] <Riddell> s/if/it/
[06:52] <_ronino> hi
[06:52] <poimen> Riddell I only shows up use
[06:52] <poimen> Riddell I only shows up one
[06:52] <_ronino> my usbstick is automatically mounted, but the umlauts in the filenames are not displayed correctly, what can i do?
[06:52] <Riddell> poimen: that means you need to install an smp linux build
[06:52] <poimen> ok
[06:53] <lwizardl1> i have the hdb1 enabled in disks & filesystems its mounted as /mnt/pcstorage and everytime i try to make a link to it on the desktop it errors "the desktop entry file /home/james/Desktop/PC Storage is of type FSDevice but has no dev=... entry"
[06:53] <poimen> but fist I will install the amd 64 kubuntu release
[06:53] <Riddell> poimen: good plan
[06:53] <poimen> Riddell I have to change the sources I use for installing programs?
[06:54] <Riddell> poimen: no
[06:54] <poimen> I can still use my sources.list?
[06:55] <poimen> I have this sources.list for all my needs :D
[06:55] <Riddell> it doesn't need changed
[06:56] <poimen> cool :D
[06:57] <Insom-> i turn on my external hd and konqueror starts 5 browser windows :/
[06:58] <Insom-> where do i turn this automount 'feature' off?
[06:59] <Insom-> i've already turned off the kded media manager service
[06:59] <lwizardl1> Insom-: you understand mounting hard drives?
[06:59] <Insom-> yes
[06:59] <lwizardl1> any  idea what i did wrong?
[07:00] <lwizardl1> i have the hdb1 enabled in disks & filesystems its mounted as /mnt/pcstorage and everytime i try to make a link to it on the desktop it errors "the desktop entry file /home/james/Desktop/PC Storage is of type FSDevice but has no dev=... entry"
[07:00] <Insom-> you could just link in konsole..
[07:00] <Insom-> cd ~/Desktop
[07:00] <Insom-> ln -s name /mnt/pcstorage
[07:00] <lwizardl1> i'm trying to move files over to the other drive via drag n drop
[07:00] <Insom-> or ln -s /mnt/pcstorage name
[07:01] <Insom-> can't remember (just woke up)
[07:01] <Insom-> you might want to view your /etc/fstab
[07:01] <Insom-> see what kde did to it
[07:01] <Insom-> and where the error is
[07:02] <lwizardl1> http://pastebin.com/452715
[07:03] <Insom-> seems fine.. does it mount properly?
[07:04] <lwizardl1> don't know
[07:04] <Insom-> type this into a konsole: mount
[07:04] <Insom-> and see if there is a /dev/hdb1 entry
[07:04] <Insom-> if there is none it's not mounted
[07:08] <Insom-> lwizardl1: i suggest making a symbolic link (ln -s /mnt/pcstorage ~/Desktop/pcstorage)
[07:08] <lwizardl1> yes there is a listing /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/pcstorage type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[07:08] <Insom-> not having much luck with the kde desktop stuff myself
[07:10] <lwizardl1> hmm that link thing didn't work either
[07:11] <Insom-> do you get some kind of error?
[07:11] <lwizardl1> ln: creating symbolic link `/home/james/Desktop/pcstorage/pcstorage' to `/mnt/pcstorage': Permission denied
[07:11] <Insom-> oh
[07:11] <Insom-> use some other name, since there already seems to be a file name pcstorage on your desktop
[07:11] <Insom-> it seems you have no write permissions on /mnt/pcstorage
[07:13] <lwizardl1> if i go to the disks & filsystems its check writable
[07:13] <lwizardl1> so i have no idea whats wrong
[07:14] <Insom-> try this: ln -s /mnt/pcstorage ~/Desktop/storage
[07:14] <lwizardl1> ok if i redo the link it makes the link
[07:15] <Insom-> does it work with the storage link?
[07:16] <lwizardl1> when i open the link i get a folder view that has a file in it called name with a padlok picture on it
[07:16] <Insom-> is that the same as browing to /mnt/pcstorage?
[07:16] <lwizardl1> if i right click on the background and go to proerties it says owner : root
[07:16] <lwizardl1> yeah the address bar says /mnt/pcstorage
[07:17] <Insom-> you might want to give your user permissions to use the drive
[07:17] <lwizardl1> in the kde disks screen i set all users
[07:18] <Insom-> what are the permissions now? (in konsole: ls -la /mnt)
[07:18] <lwizardl1> drwxr-xr-x   4 root root  104 2005-12-07 13:01 pcstorage
[07:18] <Insom-> that means anyone can read it but only root can write to it
[07:19] <lwizardl1> crap
[07:19] <lwizardl1> how do i fix that
[07:19] <Insom-> do this: chown james.james /mnt/pcstorage
[07:19] <Insom-> it changes the owner and group
[07:21] <_seezer> nalioth: hi, just found http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85541&highlight=musicbrainz
[07:21] <lwizardl1> drwxr-xr-x   4 james james  104 2005-12-07 13:01 pcstorage
[07:21] <_seezer> perhaps this helps :) thx
[07:21] <Insom-> lwizardl1: you should be able to write to the disk now
[07:22] <Insom-> lwizardl1: existing files may need their permissions or owners changed also if you want to use those
[07:24] <lwizardl1> ok only thing in it is that name file
[07:24] <Drolyk> hi all
[07:25] <lwizardl1> will it auto mount this every reboot
[07:25] <Insom-> mount probably changes the permissions when mounting through fstab
[07:25] <Insom-> but i'm not sure
[07:25] <Insom-> try it and see what happens
[07:26] <lwizardl1> ok will do i'm moving 25gb of files first
[07:26] <Insom-> if you need to change the mounting options in fstab you can find those in (man mount)
[07:33] <lwizardl1> at 42% moved
[07:35] <Hussam> KKathman, hey :)
[07:37] <kkathman> hey Hussam :)
[07:39] <Hussam> kkathman: I'm stuck on campus with some friends till topmorrow. I haven't tocuhed my Kubuntu machine at home since last friday.
[07:40] <Hussam> kkathman: with no linux machine in sight....
[07:40] <kkathman> thats gotta be frustrating Hussam :)
[07:40] <kkathman> i'd be going mad
[07:41] <Hussam> kkathman: so I visit www.kubuntu.org every hour from my friend's xp machine.
[07:41] <kkathman> hehe
[07:42] <icewt> Hussam: you should carry knoppix with you ;)
[07:43] <kkathman> or an Ubuntu Live-CD
[07:44] <_igor> helo!!!!!!
[07:44] <Hussam> yeah I'll make sure to download one for next time I'm stuck away from home.
[07:46] <_igor> any body know how I can chat about live with "konversation"?
[07:46] <Hussam> _igor: you mean a private message?
[07:48] <_igor> no, i'am looking for other rooms or themes!
[07:48] <Hussam> _igor: /join #<rromname>
[07:49] <Hussam> _igor: sorry, not sure what you mean
[07:50] <_igor> i have just one room, called "kubuntu"
[07:50] <_igor> and i want others
[07:51] <_igor>  /join #<rromname>

[07:51] <Hussam> _igor: for example type: /join #kde
[07:52] <_igor> cheers mate!
[07:52] <_igor> i have
[07:57] <lwizardl> !w32codecs
[07:58] <_igor> sorry hussam, you now where is any directory of rooms?
[07:59] <Hussam> _igor: type /list
[07:59] <Hussam> _igor: but it doesn't always work
[08:02] <sampan> [freenode]  --- 10280 channels formed  <--- that's a long /list ;)
[08:04] <dissed> when i try to run ./configure i get this: configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[08:04] <dissed> what should i do?
[08:05] <sampan> dissed, have you installed build-essential package?
[08:05] <dissed> i dunno, im totally new to this
[08:05] <dissed> i figured gcc
[08:06] <sampan> (k)ubuntu doesn't install all the packages to do compiling by default -- you'll have to use adept/synaptic/apt-get/aptitude to get the "build-essential" package first, then you should be good to go
[08:06] <dissed> ok
[08:07] <Hussam> ok folks, I got to go. _igor: have a nice time chatting on  koversation
[08:07] <Hobbsee> !seen adriel
[08:07] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'adriel', Hobbsee
[08:08] <azertyuuu> hey all, what do i need to do to get KDE3.5, i don't unstand the info on the www.kubuntu.com
[08:09] <Hobbsee> add the repo that's on that link to your /etc/apt/sources.list and sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:10] <azertyuuu> ah, thanx, so cmd  pico-v /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:10] <dissed> using aptitude now, which package is it?
[08:10] <neoncode> Hey Is it possible to lock indervidual virtual desktops?
[08:10] <sampan> dissed, should be "build-essential"
[08:11] <lwizardl> ok i'm using the ubuntu wiki to play dvds and i'm getting no decoder found errors whats the fix
[08:11] <azertyuuu> oh, can i add the repos via aptitude ?
[08:12] <lwizardl> !dvd
[08:12] <ubotu> somebody said dvd was "DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl   See also !libdvdcss2"
[08:14] <dissed> sampan: cant find it
[08:14] <harry1982> hola
[08:14] <sampan> dissed, you probably need to add the repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list file then
[08:14] <sampan> !repositories
[08:14] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[08:14] <sampan> dissed, check the link there that ubotu just posted :)
[08:15] <azertyuuu> Hobbsee: thanks man, you are a real friend
[08:15] <azertyuuu> !ass
[08:15] <ubotu> azertyuuu: Are you on ritalin?
[08:15] <Hobbsee> azertyuuu: no problems
[08:16] <McScruff> Hi, is there a way to get videos in sync in firefox
[08:17] <azertyuuu> !w32
[08:17] <ubotu> azertyuuu: I don't know
[08:18] <azertyuuu> !codecs
[08:18] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[08:18] <McScruff> i have codecs
[08:18] <bam_> anyone have an idea why amarok crashes when I tell it to delete a file off my ipod?
[08:18] <azertyuuu> McScruff: i need them for mp3s
[08:18] <McScruff> my bad :P
[08:19] <azertyuuu> althoug i used synaptic etc to find these stuff
[08:19] <azertyuuu> !easysource
[08:19] <ubotu> hmm... easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:20] <Hobbsee> bam_: which version of amarok?  i think the earlier versions did
[08:20] <bam_> the one in the feed
[08:21] <bam_> 1.3.1 i believe
[08:21] <lwizardl> ok i'm using the ubuntu wiki to figure out how to play dvds and i'm getting no decoder found errors whats the fix
[08:21] <bam_> perhaps I should upgrade
[08:21] <Hobbsee> bam_: might be an idea - i recall seeing that in a changelog a while ago
[08:32] <bam_> question, why can I not run say kedit in root
[08:32] <bam_> gives me connection refused by server
[08:34] <brosiooz> how can i set kde tha automount dvd ?
[08:34] <brosiooz> on kde3.5
[08:35] <manveru> bam_: did you run it with sudo once before?
[08:36] <bam_> not running it with sudo, just logging in as root then running it
[08:36] <manveru> you logged in as root?
[08:36] <bam_> yea
[08:36] <manveru> so your root has a password or what?
[08:36] <bam_> did this under gnome seemed to work fine
[08:36] <bam_> yes
[08:36] <manveru> !sudo
[08:36] <ubotu> I heard sudo is the command to get superuser privileges, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[08:37] <manveru> have a look at this one
[08:37] <manveru> then we'll see how we get your kedit back
[08:37] <bam_> hah how odd
[08:38] <nalioth> bam_: kdesu kedit
[08:38] <nalioth> !kdesu
[08:38] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[08:38] <bam_> kdesu..good
[08:38] <bam_> lots different than gnome
[08:38] <manveru> yeah - that's why there are lots of them :)
[08:39] <manveru> everyone chooses the desktop that fits him/her best
[08:39] <rikva> what is wrong with sudo?
[08:40] <manveru> rikva: it messes up permissions with graphical programs
[08:40] <rikva> ah. k.
[08:40] <manveru> that's what kdesu is for
[08:40] <pv_> I do not understand how. Is this KDE specific?
[08:41] <manveru> i guess not
[08:41] <pv_> Ah ok, you explained it above :)
[08:41] <rikva> i always use kdesu for X programs, but for apps like nano I use sudo a lot
[08:41] <manveru> yeah, console is fine with sudo
[08:41] <rikva> oh, ok
[08:41] <_JakubS> oh, f*** oowriter just crashed and i haven't saved file in a long time
[08:43] <manveru> it has a recovery-function
[08:43] <manveru> should kick in the next time you start
[08:43] <_JakubS> yeah, it worked ok, i'm sooo happy
[08:44] <lwizardl> ok vlc plays my dvd but nothing else does
[08:44] <_JakubS> i remember doing killall -SEGV oowriter when it just freezed with my unsaved file  some time ago
[08:45] <manveru> !restrictedformats
[08:45] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[08:50] <bam_> i was thinking of a fresh install of kubuntu
[08:50] <dissed> got a bit of a compiling issue, anyone who can help me?
[08:50] <bam_> but dont wanna go thru all the config junk
[08:50] <nalioth> dissed: just ask your question
[08:50] <dissed> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[08:50] <dissed> i get that
[08:51] <bam_> so if I save ~/ I should be able to just copy paste when the programs are installed correct?
[08:52] <kkathman> !xincludes
[08:52] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[08:52] <nalioth> !xincludes
[08:52] <kkathman> i think I just did that :)
[08:52] <dissed> hell of a lot of packs to dl :D
[08:53] <nalioth> dissed: if you're gonna be a developer, you'll need plenty more *-dev
[08:53] <joe_> Hello.  Can someone help me.  I am trying to install kvirc 3.2.0 Sarge, but I get dependency errors.  I can install very old version if I use adept...
[08:53] <djk_> mmh, does anyone know of a prog that splits large files for windows and which does not require installation?
[08:53] <nalioth> joe_: this is ubuntu, not debian.
[08:53] <crimsun> djk_: eh?
[08:53] <kkathman> lol.. 3packages  dissed ?? lol  get used to downloading libs :)
[08:54] <nalioth> joe_: using debian packages on kubuntu will possibly break kubuntu
[08:54] <djk_> crimsun: sort of like winrar with its .r01 - .rXX
[08:54] <joe_> Why does the user guide tell me to do it (opera is the example)?
[08:54] <kkathman> joe_:  might I suggest you download the CVS and compile it?
[08:54] <kkathman> thats what I did
[08:54] <dissed> kkathman: been downloading quite a few more than 3 the last few hours :D
[08:54] <nalioth> joe_: if you visit kvirc.net, they have instructions for downloading and compiline kvirc
[08:54] <djk_> crimsun: something like that.. a friend of mine only has a 256mb usb stick and he's not allowed to install something on the pc at his uni.
[08:55] <joe_> I saw that.  I read that the CVS is risky stuff... I guess not.
[08:55] <kkathman> joe_: an Opera you should get the static deb
[08:55] <kkathman> joe_: not risky at all...I am using the latest right now
[08:55] <crimsun> djk_: you can install rar from multiverse, or use p7zip from universe
[08:55] <nalioth> joe_: in this case, it is quite safe. why aren't you using the kvirc in the repos?
[08:55] <joe_> I just want to know if a package is stable, why isn't it available?
[08:56] <joe_> I suppose I coude be.
[08:56] <joe_> could be.