[18:16] <excitatory> are the ATI restricted drivers in ibex suppose to be better?  they feel slower.. also, does the default open driver support compiz well?  if so, i would consider that.
[18:16] <cousteau> (first create the mountpoint)
[18:16] <thunar1> happy ubuntu 8.10
[18:17] <darkvertex> avarus, costeau, leq-u-tix: thanks guys
[18:17] <Thx1> hi everybody
[18:17] <flipwich> whats the IM client that was added in 8.10?
[18:17] <TuniX12> hello
[18:17] <thunar1> HI
[18:17] <isaacj87> Hey Thx1
[18:17] <bozza> i have nero linux :D
[18:17] <jacekowski> it doesn't detect AC supply state correctly
[18:17] <leq-u-tix> download nero linux
[18:17] <thunar1> flipwich: why dont you install it and find out????
[18:17] <bozza> the only thing i paid for .. nero linux :D
[18:17] <flipwich> thunar1: i did.
[18:17] <cousteau> and I have Matlab linux
[18:17] <Anveo_> Is there a way to upgrade 8.04 from a non-alternate iso image?
[18:17] <avarus> bozza, what a waste of money
[18:17] <sanguisdex> cousteau: you need the alt cd not the live one to upgrade
[18:17] <leq-u-tix> NeroLinux is way better than brasserio
[18:17] <ssam> flipwich, empathy
[18:17] <flipwich> oh, thanks
[18:18] <thunar1> flipwich: sweet what did you FIND?
[18:18] <TuniX12> leq-u-tix: sure
[18:18] <sanguisdex> Anveo_: a newwork upgrade
[18:18] <winterelf> hi, i need to know if i m using the wireless driver iwl3945 , what is the command to check that out?
[18:18] <bozza> avarus . it was really cheap . plus its awesome software :)
[18:18] <avarus> :P
[18:18] <Guest42875> anyone have a good suggestion for a high res monitor on the cheep?
[18:18] <deepfriedsquirre> When I boot Ubuntu from USB, it is horrifically, painfully slow. What can I do to make it run at a decent speed?
[18:18] <Anveo_> sanguisdex: thanks
[18:18] <Mafioso_d> :D
[18:18] <leq-u-tix> use a USB2 port
[18:18] <leq-u-tix> instead of 1.1
[18:18] <Thx1> i'm sorry for my english...i have a problem with audio (82801I chipset) on my HP 1020el
[18:18] <Mafioso_d> hi alllllllllllllllllll
[18:18] <deepfriedsquirre> leg-u-tix: it is usb2
[18:18] <lolman> deepfriedsquirre, faster flash drive?
[18:18] <sanguisdex> any one know where I can get an md5 checksum for the alt cd to compare with?
[18:19] <Mafioso_d> how to order ubuntu?
[18:19] <leq-u-tix> is it a flash drive
[18:19] <leq-u-tix> or usb harddrive
[18:19] <sanguisdex> Anveo_: it will be slow
[18:19] <deepfriedsquirre> lolman: It's Kingston and 8GB
[18:19] <leq-u-tix> flashdrives are slow
[18:19] <leq-u-tix> period
[18:19] <Mafioso_d> heloo
[18:19] <deepfriedsquirre> leg-u-tix: yes, flash
[18:19] <leq-u-tix> they are the floppies of the modern age
[18:19] <TuniX12> why ubuntu is becoming more and more slow
[18:19] <Mafioso_d> how i can order the ubuntu?
[18:19] <sanguisdex> Anveo_: the newwork repos are on fire atm
[18:19] <cousteau> sanguisdex: when I installed from liveCD it was because the old install got broken
[18:19] <Anveo_> sanguisdex: I already have the normal install cd though
[18:19] <flipwich> TuniX12: i don't know what you are talking about
[18:19] <teicah> where can I find the list of ingridients in the DVD?
[18:19] <Mafioso_d> how i can order the ubuntu?
[18:19] <Guest42875> my monitor is going out...  Any suggestions for a 1920x1440 on the cheep?
[18:19] <flipwich> i'm at my login in about 30 seconds
[18:19] <deepfriedsquirre> leg-u-tix: Well, I fixed it up to make it boot to RAM but that means I can't have th persistence option
[18:20] <ciscbrain> Mafioso_d: must you order? if  you can, please download
[18:20] <mkartic> hey, wat are the options i got in desktop environments? apart from xfce, gnome and kde!
[18:20] <leq-u-tix> still tile transferse are slow to usb flash drives
[18:20] <flipwich> mkartic: those are the main 3
[18:20] <cousteau> i'm downloading the alternate right now (via torrent)
[18:20] <leq-u-tix> its not for regular use.. just for fixing shit
[18:20] <Guest42875> my monitor is going out...  Any suggestions for a 1920x1440 on the cheep?
[18:20] <leq-u-tix> cdrom is faster
[18:20] <Mafioso_d> but the file is too big?where can i buy ubuntu?
[18:20] <leq-u-tix> but sometimes u can't boot from cdrom
[18:20] <mkartic> am looking for something light, [lighter than xfce:-\]
[18:20] <leq-u-tix> so usb works
[18:20] <thunar1> Mafioso_d: Send $199 to my pay-pal account to order Ubuntu.
[18:21] <ciscbrain> leq-u-tix: my usb stick gets 30 MB/s
[18:21] <ciscbrain> cdroms are *not* faster
[18:21] <Thx1> I have ubuntu 8.10 64bit installed on HP 1020el (chipset 82801I)..sound is alway on loop and i can never listen mp3 or other...only the drums in loop.Can you help me?
[18:21] <sanguisdex> leq-u-tix:  best buy sells it
[18:21] <musictoto> Mafioso_d: you can order a free cd at the ubuntu.com website
[18:21] <deepfriedsquirre> leg-u-tix: Ah, well I did it with the hope that I could use it instead of a hard drive now that I've corrupted my partition table
[18:21] <piksi-> Mafioso_d: you can order the cd's from ubuntu homepage
[18:21] <neW1> w00t !!!
[18:21] <deepfriedsquirre> Clearly I was deluded
[18:21] <Anveo_> FREE UBUNTU CD: https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
[18:21] <Mafioso_d> that's free?
[18:21] <ciscbrain> but don't order unless you can't download
[18:21] <piksi-> yeah
[18:21] <musictoto> Mafioso_d: yes the shipit cd's are free
[18:21] <flipwich> Mafioso_d: yeah but it takes weeks to arrive.
[18:22] <Mafioso_d> :D
[18:22] <Midtronic> I'm having a weird issue with CDs/dvds...  I've got 2 optical drives (1 DVD; 1 CD-ROM), when I put in a disc I get this: http://paste.linuxassist.net/21915 -- if I put a disc in after a fresh restart, things seem to work.  Any ideas?
[18:22] <leq-u-tix> i've never gotton more than 3 or 4 megs/sec frmo my pen drives
[18:22] <leq-u-tix> but they must be crap these days
[18:22] <Mafioso_d> wow amazing..=))
[18:22] <musictoto> Mafioso_d: it takes about 4 to 6 weeks for the cd's to arrive at your home adress, but they're free
[18:22] <ciscbrain> leq-u-tix: there are tons of flash drives out there
[18:22] <lolman> leq-u-tix, my pen drive will pull 20MB/s ish and it's quite old now
[18:23] <leq-u-tix> guess i'll have to upgrade
[18:23] <ciscbrain> leq-u-tix: buy a corsair or an sandisk PD-7
[18:23] <Mafioso_d> yeah that's free bro,thanks ubunntu :D
[18:23] <W8TAH> if i build a program from source, and need to remove it to install an updated version, and i have the install manifest file, if i remove the files listed there from those locations, that will uninstall it, right?
[18:23] <gustavo> Using the command line, how can I know the space used by a directory and its subdirectories?
[18:23] <thunar1> Ubuntu rocks!    Ubuntu exists! Ubuntu is dead!  Yea!
[18:23] <Midtronic> gustavo:  du
[18:23] <Midtronic> gustavo:  probably du -h
[18:23] <leq-u-tix> w8tah don't u build a deb package before u install
[18:24] <leq-u-tix> then u don't run into these issues
[18:24] <flipwich> leq-u-tix: extra work
[18:24] <leq-u-tix> i think there's a method to compile and make a package
[18:24] <leq-u-tix> then when u install u can uninstall easily
[18:24] <flipwich> why not just compile and then use the manifest
[18:24] <W8TAH> leq-u-tix, no -- i cant find reasonable documentation on how to do that -- the only .deb building docs that i have found require a build host
[18:24] <Zeit|awy> du -ch
[18:24] <gustavo> Midtronic, thanks!
[18:25] <thunar1> su
[18:25] <thunar1> rm -rf /
[18:25] <jwoo> Is anyone having problems installing ubuntu 8.10 because they're being thrown into a initramdisk prompt ?
[18:25] <pppoe_dude> hello. Trying to install intrepid from a local partition. Any ideas why the partitioner gives me a blank page?
[18:25] <leq-u-tix> jwoo try save graphic  mode
[18:25] <pppoe_dude> thunar1: please don't do that here
[18:25] <thunar1> jwoo: yes, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
[18:26] <DrNick1> blimey, bit quiet in here considering its release day :p
[18:26] <W8TAH> flipwich - ????
[18:26] <W8TAH> thunar1, thats a low trick - not nice
[18:26] <pppoe_dude> !ops
[18:26] <jwoo> thunar1: you i should overwrite my sda1 with random? i might as well do a if=/dev/zero
[18:27] <Guest42875> my monitor is going out...  Any suggestions for a 1920x1440 on the cheep?
[18:27] <jerbear> every time i've tried to upgrade from one version of ubuntu to another, something always gets messed up and i end up having to just reinstall from scratch. anyone upgraded from hardy to ibex? anything i should be aware of?
[18:27] <linuxkrn> hey guys, did an upgrade to 8.10 and cannot get the binary drivers installed.  When I try to activate them it says my xorg.conf is invalid.  Yet I've deleted it and used the failsafe.
[18:27] <jwoo> leq-u-tix -- ubuntu 8.10-RC has no problem installing, but ubuntu 8.10 kicks me into initramdisk/busybox prompt
[18:27] <DrNick1> jerbear: i always just re-install :)
[18:27] <Bodsda> whenever i try to resize an ntfs partition on a laptop (1 hdd) i get errors, is there a proper way to resize an ntfs partition using gparted?
[18:27] <Midtronic> Guest42875:  I have a slightly smaller (1680x1050) Acer and it's been great to me
[18:28] <Midtronic> reasonably priced, as well.
[18:28] <magnetron> jerbear→ the release notes contains everything you need to be aware of
[18:28] <ciscbrain> linuxkrn: afaik you don't need a xorg.conf at all
[18:28] <jerbear> DrNick1: ditto, but i wish i didn't have to
[18:28] <jimdb> all i can say about the ubuntu 8.10 upgrade is *OUCH*
[18:28] <DrNick1> I have my /home on a seperate partition (seperate drive actually), so none of my documents + settings get lost. always have a backup tho...
[18:28] <jerbear> magnetron: can you point me to the release notes?
[18:28] <linuxkrn> ciscbrain, the binary driver tool won't let me install the drivers though
[18:28] <jerbear> DrNick1: yeh, same here.. separate home drive
[18:28] <Linus_Trovalds> :D
[18:29] <avarus> there must be something wrong with the uploaded amd64 iso...no matter where I download it, it has a different md5 :/
[18:29] <phoochka> anyone else stuck at "waiting for headers"? I assume its going to take a while today
[18:29] <magnetron> jerbear→ http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810
[18:29] <avarus> but it's always the same wrong md5 :P
[18:29] <ciscbrain> linuxkrn: if you delete xorg.conf entirely do you still get an error saying it's invalid?
[18:29] <linuxkrn> ciscbrain, yes
[18:29] <Pici> !notes
[18:29] <DrNick1> avarus: installed it fine here using the iso from Oxford Computing in the UK
[18:29] <Guest42875> ]whats reasonably priced priced at?
[18:29] <Mimi> avarus, are you using official torrent?
[18:29] <avarus> DrNick1, thanks for the hint...will try it from there
[18:29] <W8TAH> hate to ask again folks but both people that were helping me left -- i have a package that i compiled from source that i need to remove -- if i go through the install_manifest.txt and remove the files listed - -will that uninstall it?
[18:29] <magnetron> phoochka→ that happens if you use the main repos. use a mirror instead
[18:30] <avarus> Mimi, no, from some mirror
[18:30] <Guest42875> mine thats going out is an acer... I haste it
[18:30] <Linus_Trovalds> :D
[18:30] <ciscbrain> W8TAH: if you still have the sources you can try make uninstall
[18:30] <phoochka> magnetron, ok thanks
[18:30] <Guest42875> hate
[18:30] <W8TAH> ahh - cool idea -- ok
[18:30] <Flannel> W8TAH: That's how you have to install compiled software, yes, by just removing all of the files (either manually, or make uninstall)
[18:30] <Mimi> W8TAH,  I believe you type make uninstall in the original sources.
[18:30] <anita_> hi how can I update to the 8.10 from the terminal
[18:30] <anita_> thx
[18:30] <Pici> !upgrade > anita_
[18:30] <W8TAH> Flannel, Mimi thank you
[18:30] <joaopinto> anita_, do-release-upgrade
[18:31] <Flannel> !upgrade | anita_
[18:31] <jerbear> how is the multi display support in the admin tools? does that actually work in ibex?
[18:31] <sahak> hello
[18:31] <Mimi> avarus, could you try using the torrent like this: tell the torrent to download to the folder where you ISO is at. the torrent will see what you have, and what is on the server, and will adjust your ISO to the new md5
[18:31] <ciscbrain> I have the mouse set to "left handed", but after upgrating to intrepid, if remove it an then plug it back it becomes right-handed. any clues?
[18:31] <sahak> i am having problems upgrading to Ubuntu 8.10. it can't find kernel packages
[18:31] <bozza> hey whats like the percentage of ubuntu users compared to windows and mac
[18:31] <Guest42875> my monitor is going out...  Any suggestions for a 1920x1440 on the cheep?
[18:31] <jimdb> seems that the upgrade of ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 essentially disabled my computer.  it happened after I rebooted and told it to use the nvidia drivers.  editing the /etc/Xorg/xorg.conf file to use the standard nv driver doesn't resolve the issue.  I understand that Xorg made some changes that were supposed to only affect early versions of the nvidia chipsets. This one is affecting my 8800GTS (512mb) cards.
[18:31] <avarus> Mimi, hey, that's a brilliant idea :)
[18:32] <magnetron> jerbear→ yes, unless you use the nvidia restricted drivers. in that case, use the nvidia config tool instead
[18:32] <Mimi> avarus,  yes it is! Hope it works :P
[18:32] <avarus> let's see :P
[18:32] <ciscbrain> bozza: probably like 1-2% vs 88% windows vs. ~8% mac
[18:32] <sahak> are torrents overloaded?
[18:32] <jerbear> magnetron: i do, every time i've used that config tool, it seems to mess my xorg.conf file up more
[18:32] <sfears> any help with system halt while loading avahi & network managers at boot up? my system will only complete boot if the linksys pci card is inserted
[18:33] <anita_> thx joapinto
[18:33] <bozza> ok . damm . ubuntu with compiz and what not is easily the best
[18:33] <anita_> and cia
[18:33] <jerbear> boo compiz
[18:33] <MaximLevitsky> How can I run a script of gnome shutdown
[18:33] <Linux_Man> i need girl friend,why i don't have girl friend?
[18:34] <bozza> why boo ?
[18:34] <MaximLevitsky> I need to stop azureus correctly
[18:34] <ciscbrain> linuxkrn: try to reconfigure xorg; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[18:34] <sahak> Linux_Man: linus torvalds has a girlfriend
[18:34] <Linux_Man> :D
[18:34] <linuxkrn> ciscbrain, did that already
[18:34] <bozza> compiz is awesome . why u not like it ?
[18:34] <Midtronic> Linux_Man:  I recommend Emacs' psychiatrist.
[18:34] <linuxkrn> ciscbrain, still same error
[18:34] <isaacj87> sahak: really? haha
[18:34] <jerbear> compiz is just plain unnecessary
[18:34] <Mimi> he has a wife and a  baby.. well probably is a teenager now  :P
[18:34] <magnetron> sahak→ Linux_Man he has a wife, even
[18:34] <linuxkrn> ciscbrain, and I've restarted gdm (between tries)
[18:34] <Linux_Man> lol
[18:35] <bozza> jerbear . but its awesome :D
[18:35] <ciscbrain> linuxkrn: I know it sounds lame, but try a restart :)
[18:35] <bozza> its so convinent
[18:35] <bozza> switching from different desktops
[18:35] <sahak> bozza: i have some weird bug with compiz. can you open firefox in fullscreen mode (by pressing F11). and then open a terminal. then try to switch between them by pressing Ctrl+Tab. do you get weird flashes?
[18:35] <jerbear> bozza: i won't deny that it's awesome looking, but that's it, it's cosmetic
[18:35] <ciscbrain> maybe you've just installed a new kernel and the instaleer is confused about which modules to build
[18:35] <avarus> Mimi, it downloads from the beginning, but good idea :)
[18:35] <sahak> bozza: Alt+Tab instead of Ctrl+Tab
[18:35] <jimdb> he's trying to imply that if you use linux you are socially ill-equipped.  An old argument that they use to use against anyone that even touched a computer.   fortunately though the average linux user has their spouse or significant other.  I think he's a troll.
[18:35] <bozza> saha 1 sec let me check
[18:36] <ciscbrain> jerbear: not quite, I get a lot of tearing without it
[18:36] <r3l1c> hi .... can any of the advanced user answer few simple question ?     1. what is the max ram running i386 ?   2. Does wine support multicore processing ?
[18:36] <ciscbrain> jerbear: especially on my eee
[18:36] <sfears> sahak: play with the advanced desktop effects settings for your switchers in the window manager.. mabey one of the settings for the cube or ring switcher is incorrect
[18:36] <mongolai> jerbear:  I'll agree with you for the most part, but I really like the taskbar window jpreview feature
[18:36] <jerbear> ciscbrain: tearing? you've got something configured incorrectly then
[18:36] <ciscbrain> jerbear: no, it's just that the eee is slow
[18:36] <mirash> how to delete or resize a partition using ubuntu?
[18:37] <sahak> sfears: i don't have those things enabled
[18:37] <jimdb> r31lc:  4 gigs minus those complents using upper memory address for hardware (such as your video cards)
[18:37] <r3l1c> mirash - gparted
[18:37] <mikebeecham> can anyone tell me how to remove the 'connection' icon on the panel?
[18:37] <mirash> how?
[18:37] <ericjung> install ubuntu on 16MB?
[18:37] <jerbear> ciscbrain: and you think using compiz improves its speed?
[18:37] <jimdb> components*
[18:37] <sfears> system/preferences/advanced desktop effects... when that window opens click on advanced.. see what plugin uses the alt+tab command and play with the settings in that plugin
[18:37] <ciscbrain> jerbear: I was just as surprised as you seem to be, but yes
[18:37] <bozza> nope no weird flashes for me
[18:37] <adante> hi, i am looking for a program like winsplit revolution for ubuntu, so i can resize my windows based on hotkeys - does such a program exist?
[18:37] <sfears> any help with system halt while loading avahi & network managers at boot up? my system will only complete boot if the linksys pci card is inserted
[18:37] <mirash> in command line?
[18:37] <jimdb> r31lc:  but you also have limits of the chipsets used by the manufacturer
[18:37] <DIFH-iceroot> ericjung: 10mb of what? ram, hdd?
[18:37] <mongolai> mikebeecham:  did you try right-clicking and "Remove from Panel..." ?
[18:37] <DIFH-iceroot> ericjung: 16mb
[18:37] <bozza> also i use super+tab to switch between windows . and thats fine as well
[18:37] <ericjung> DIFH-iceroot ram
[18:38] <mikebeecham> mongolai: does not include that option
[18:38] <ciscbrain> jerbear: and even on my desktop, if I drag the chat windows over firefox, for example, you can still see parts of firefox redrawing
[18:38] <mikebeecham> it's my wired network icon
[18:38] <Ax3> both md5 comparisons failed... very suprising
[18:38] <DIFH-iceroot> ericjung: maybe DSL is better for you
[18:38] <ciscbrain> jerbear: but with compiz you don't get that
[18:38] <bpgoldsb> Anyone know an ubuntu mirror that ISNT slammed?
[18:38] <sfears> bpgoldsb: torrents
[18:38] <mirash> how to resize a partition?
[18:38] <bpgoldsb> sfears: For aptitude updates, not for full release
[18:38] <ciscbrain> mirash: which type?
[18:38] <anita_> sorry there is a problem is says "an  unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade"
[18:38] <jerbear> ciscbrain: i've never seen that with any of my machines.. from the slowest to the fastest.. i think you have something wrong with your configuration
[18:39] <d0wn> i'm getting 600kb/s from my mirror. i'm using ussg.iu.org
[18:39] <avarus> Ax3, here, too...I'm now downloading from oxford :)
[18:39] <ark3qqq> Anybody know of a tool to prevent idle timeout? On Windows I have this little program called Caffeine that simulates a shift key release once a minute to prevent screensavers, etc.
[18:39] <Ax3> avarus, yea wtf is going on lol
[18:39] <mongolai> mikebeecham:  that's odd, I got rid of mine that way. Perhaps try some arcane gconf-editor setting?!
[18:39] <avarus> highloaded servers :)
[18:39] <jacekowski> ark3qqq: on linux you can just disable DPMS
[18:39] <gotiniens> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz <-- I'm searching that file for intrepid, cannot find id
[18:39] <lordyk> Use the bit torrent if you can
[18:39] <jacekowski> ark3qqq: and all other power managment features
[18:39] <devilbones> has anyone played around with installing ubuntu intrepid ibex on the sony vaio vgn fw140e/w? i can't seem to get the graphics drivers or wireless to work
[18:39] <sanguisdex> ark3qqq: you could make a cron job
[18:40] <ark3qqq> jacekowski: I'm looking for something that will simulate a keypress or twiddle the mouse slightly so that other stuff doesn't time out.
[18:40] <newb> #cross-lfs
[18:40] <ciscbrain> jerbear: try to load youtube on firefox and then drag gcalctool over it, and you'll see some white bands next to the calc window
[18:40] <ark3qqq> sanguisdex: A cron job to do what?
[18:40] <Thylacine> just made a live usb and grub gives an error, what can i do?
[18:40] <sahak> bozza: was your firefox in full screen? can you press alt+tab, select firefox, and then hold the Alt button pressed
[18:40] <sanguisdex> press shift
[18:40] <mirash> i hav a FAR32 partion. I want to delete it and make a ext3 from half of it and a fat32 from the other half
[18:40] <Lancelot_> oh my god! why is everything on Ubuntu so blocky? I can't run anything from windows that I love/need, like skype, windows live mail, and iTunes!!!!!
[18:40] <ark3qqq> sanguisdex: How do I do that?
[18:40] <mirash> how?
[18:40] <jerbear> ciscbrain: i don't
[18:40] <Mimi> avarus,  any luck with the md5sum  ?
[18:41] <Lancelot_> oh my god! why is everything on Ubuntu so blocky? I can't run anything from windows that I love/need, like skype, windows live mail, and iTunes!!!!!
[18:41] <trimeta> I heard that USB stick installs are officially supported in Ibex. Where can I go to read more about this, in particular how to convert an ISO into a USB install?
[18:41] <dany_21a_> Lancelot_: Linux (ubuntu) is not windows
[18:41] <Lancelot_> i know
[18:41] <mirash> s/FAR/FAT
[18:41] <mikebeecham> nope...no option to remove it that I can see
[18:41] <Lancelot_> i realised that...
[18:41] <Bodsda> !lnw > Lancelot_
[18:41] <dany_21a_> Lancelot_: okay...good start
[18:41] <sanguisdex> we could compare md5's here
[18:41] <dany_21a_> !skype | Lancelot_
[18:41] <sahak> torrents seem to have saturated. the number of leechers is going down.
[18:41] <devilbones> ubuntu intrepid on sony vaio vgn fw140e/w? anyone?
[18:41]  * trimeta leaches the torrents
[18:41] <lordyk> the 64bit torrent is running well for me
[18:42] <avarus> Mimi, not yet...still downloading :)
[18:42] <sanguisdex> I got the alt cd in 13 mins
[18:42] <avarus> Mimi, I'll let you know
[18:42] <Dextorion> hey
[18:42] <trimeta> At least if you consider a 15 kb/s upload, 245 kb/s download a leach...
[18:42] <sanguisdex> via comcast
[18:42] <lordyk> I see twice as many seeds as peers, currently maxing my d/l
[18:42] <Lancelot_> i just don't like that I can't run any of the programs that I want anymore...
[18:42] <ark3qqq> Can anyone suggest a way to simulate a benign keypress or twiddle the mouse slightly?
[18:42] <trimeta> Anyway, anyone know how to put the ISO on a USB stick so it'll boot and have a persistent home directory and all that stuff?
[18:42] <jerbear> Lancelot_: maybe you would prefer windows then?
[18:42] <Mimi> ark3qqq,  like a macro?
[18:42] <ogsc> ark3qqq: what are you trying to prevent?
[18:42] <mongolai> heh, I'm currently leeching a BT ibex, and it is going s l o w. That's ok, though...
[18:43] <Pici> !offtopic
[18:43] <user1949> what repos should I add into Synaptic?
[18:43] <joshual> anyone know if there is a cutting edge wine repository for ubuntu?
[18:43] <csilk> I cant seem to find the MD% hash for cheking intrepids integrity?
[18:43] <ark3qqq> ogsc: Primarily it's for Citrix, but it's handy in other cases too.
[18:43] <Dillizar> how can i see what is my socket of my processor?
[18:43] <lordyk> BT was crawling for me too at first, has picked up greatly since
[18:43] <csilk> **MD5
[18:43] <sahak> have to reboot into ubuntu 8.10
[18:43] <sahak> bye
[18:43] <psusi> trimeta: you don't put the iso on a usb stick but yuo can get a live system on one... search the wiki, I think there was a page there describing how
[18:43] <avarus> csilk, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ <-- ha!
[18:43] <avarus> :)
[18:43] <Lancelot_> sigh
[18:43] <jerbear> joshual: yes at wine hq
[18:43] <bozza> add jack the repo :D
[18:43] <sanguisdex> joshual: wine has it own repo
[18:43] <ark3qqq> ogsc: To clarify, I want to avoid the Citrix session timing out.
[18:43] <Lancelot_> sorry, i just needed to vent...
[18:43] <mongolai> avarus:  that's the one
[18:43] <trimeta> Dillizar: cat /proc/cpuinfo, maybe?
[18:43] <Alejo-Expat> hi, the colour balance controls in my totem don't work... i googled to see if it was a known issue but i didn't find anything. Any ideas?
[18:44] <trimeta> psusi: I heard that there was something more official about USB installs in this version...
[18:44] <user1949> is there like a good all around all software type repo to add?
[18:44] <avarus> damn, I shouldn't have mentioned oxford :P
[18:44] <csilk> thanks avarus . Any idea if there is a good way to check the integrity of an iso burned to disk or is that unrealistic?
[18:44] <avarus> now it's frecking slow
[18:44] <devilbones> geez i guess no one here has tried to install intrepid on a sony vaio vgn fw140e/w then
[18:44] <avarus> csilk, check the file, should be enough
[18:44] <lordyk> csilk, you can boot from the cd and check it that way
[18:44] <chad1> How do i change the order items in my session autoload start?
[18:45] <psusi> trimeta: not that I know of... I just know that you don't just drop the iso image on one
[18:45] <jerbear> ark3qqq: you could try something like: http://www.sandklef.com/xnee/
[18:45] <Serraphyn> devilbones, might read topic and notice thats offtopic here
[18:45] <joshual> thx jerbear, sanguisdex
[18:45] <sanguisdex> csilk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM%20on%20CD
[18:45] <Pici> Can we take the torrent speed conversations to a different channel, like #ubuntu-release-party or #ubuntu-offtopic . Thanks.
[18:45] <clahey> How do I debug a kernel panic when running ubuntu?
[18:45] <trimeta> psusi: Oh, of course not.
[18:45] <Dillizar> trimeta: nope it doesnt show the socket
[18:45] <tonyyarusso> csilk: The Ubuntu CDs have a built in integrity test mode.
[18:45] <remu> Hey everyone! I'm trying to solve a problem. I'm trying to get Audio/Video working between my mother (ubuntu) and her sister(windows). What are my options, and are there any guides out there? I tried using skype, but skype doesn't recognize my moms webcam, I attempted using ekiga and qutecom, but I'm inexperienced with sip so don't know how to get it working properly.
[18:45] <remu> Any hints?
[18:45] <gotiniens> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz <-- I'm searching that file for intrepid, cannot find id
[18:45] <devilbones> what channel should i go to then?
[18:45] <trimeta> psusi: I was wondering if there were some "official" way of converting the contents of the ISO into a format that would boot properly.
[18:45] <Serraphyn> -offtopic
[18:45] <avarus> can't be! it's always the same wrong md5 :/
[18:46] <Serraphyn> or the release # in topic
[18:46] <avarus> Ax3, f9cdb7e9ad85263dde17f8fc81a6305b  ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:46] <avarus> please compare
[18:46] <ark3qqq> jerbear: That could work. Thanks! I'm surprised there isn't a more targeted solution, though.
[18:46] <trimeta> Dillizar: If you know what processor you have, you could check the Wikipedia for its socket, maybe...
[18:46] <csilk> lordyk, thats a pretty basic and error prone way
[18:46] <csilk> tonyyarusso, sanguisdex  thanks
[18:46] <Pici> gotiniens: Should be in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[18:46] <jerbear> ark3qqq: targeted solution? how many times do you need to do such a thing?
[18:46] <lolnoob> What is gnome keywrapper?
[18:46] <Alejo-Expat> hi all! problems with totem when playing a video: the colour balance controls in my totem don't work... i googled to see if it was a known issue but i didn't find anything. Any ideas?
[18:47] <lordyk> well the check cd option on boot up has worked well for me in the past
[18:47] <Ax3> avarus, that's what I got, before I deleted it
[18:47] <pwnedulongtime> anyone else having problems reconfiguring vmware for 8.10?
[18:47] <chad1> How do i change the order items in my session autoload start?
[18:47] <ark3qqq> jerbear: On windows there's this little app called Caffeine that simulates a shift release every minute. Very handy just for this purpose.
[18:47] <Ax3> avarus, but that's NOT what the md5sum page indicates
[18:47] <Serraphyn> !8.10
[18:47] <Ax3> avarus, not sure what to make of it
[18:47] <avarus> Ax3, will be the same for the new download as well...
[18:47] <Pici> gotiniens: The site is slow right now, so just be patient
[18:47] <hiswacko> hey
[18:47] <Serraphyn> so 8.10 is out?
[18:47] <Serraphyn> !isitout
[18:47] <Chousuke> yes
[18:47] <sanguisdex> f9e0494e91abb2de4929ef6e957f7753  ubuntu-8.10-alternate-i386.iso
[18:47] <hiswacko> is it safe to update from hardy heron to intrepid ibex?
[18:47] <pusselgenerator> Serraphyn: Correct.
[18:47] <jerbear> ark3qqq: yes, and you can write your own app with xnee, or anything else that you can think of
[18:47] <stimpie> Serraphyn, yes it is!
[18:48] <Serraphyn> Ah sweet
[18:48] <stimpie> I just upgraded
[18:48] <pwnedulongtime> vmware anyone??
[18:48] <ark3qqq> jerbear: Yep, as I said, that should work. Thanks much.
[18:48] <Pici> !isitout
[18:48] <avarus> sanguisdex, and that iso works? on the torrentpage is a different md5 :)
[18:48] <Cochese> hi all
[18:48] <Serraphyn> pwnedulongtime, might ask in #vmware
[18:48] <sanguisdex> avarus: nope
[18:48] <jerbear> ark3qqq: you can even package it and call it xcaffeine :)
[18:48] <NickieFerrante> Hi guys; just upgraded my other pc to Intrepid, but it doesn't like the driver I was using for my graphics card so is refusing to display anything. When I launch it with the internal driver then I can't see any option to install a new one for the ATI graphics card, so how can I get it working?
[18:48] <sanguisdex> it dies
[18:48] <stimpie> issue is that I cant find the network manager
[18:48] <sfears> does anyone know of a program i can run from a live cd session to remove spyware from a non running windows machine?
[18:48] <sanguisdex> but I could not find the ISO's listed anywhere
[18:48] <avarus> sanguisdex, I/O error at 60%?
[18:48] <ark3qqq> I'm off to play.
[18:49] <jimdb> nickieferrante:  welcome to the crowd
[18:49] <Cochese> trying to upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04...... problems.
[18:49] <winterelf> does anyone know when we use only ipwraw with nothing more, what does that do to my wireless card?
[18:49] <calc> pwnedulongtime: what was the vmware question?
[18:49] <NauarchLysander> How can I return to the default fonts in Gnome? There's no default button.
[18:49] <calc> pwnedulongtime: i might know the answer :
[18:49] <calc> :
[18:49] <calc> er :)
[18:49] <jerbear> sfears: i doubt it, the only one i know of is fdisk
[18:49] <sfears> Cochese: i read that the servers are extremely loaded, might be why you have problems
[18:49] <sfears> thanks jerbear
[18:49] <pwnedulongtime> calc: cannot reconfig
[18:50] <pwnedulongtime> calc: make[2]: *** [/tmp/vmware-config0/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o] Error 1
[18:50] <lebanni> salut est ce que quelqu'un sais comment on installe avec cmake ou a deja installé vidalia l'interface graph de tor ??
[18:50] <calc> pwnedulongtime: it works for me with vmware 6.5
[18:50] <sanguisdex> avarus: what URL do you see md5's listed?
[18:50] <stimpie> lebanni, english please
[18:50] <Cochese> sfears, I followed the instructions to allow upgrade of normal releases. Will it show any error message?
[18:50] <hiswacko> ty
[18:50] <Pici> !fr | lebanni
[18:50] <Serraphyn> pwnedulongtime, virtualbox 2.0 came out today also, might look at it since its free and better then vmware
[18:50] <i-unknown> lebanni: #ubuntu-fr
[18:50] <avarus> sanguisdex, http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[18:50] <lebanni> sorry !!
[18:50] <calc> pwnedulongtime: there is a keyboard issue though but it is easy to fix you might already have worked around that?
[18:50] <avarus> sanguisdex, it has to be 82dc538278c54912f5b4f5da2bb9f17d577081d2
[18:50] <trimeta> Serraphyn: VirtualBox 2.0's been out for a while, now...
[18:50] <calc> pwnedulongtime: er keyboard issue if you try to run Ubuntu 8.10 inside of Vmware
[18:50] <i-unknown> lebanni: no problem :)
[18:50] <Serraphyn> lol I just got the email today :P
[18:50] <pwnedulongtime> calc: setxkbmap
[18:50] <calc> pwnedulongtime: no a different one
[18:51] <chad1> How do i change the order items in my session autoload start?
[18:51] <Ax3> virtualbox is NOT better than vmware lmfao
[18:51] <Ax3> never
[18:51] <calc> pwnedulongtime: i think that old issue is fixed with 6.5 now
[18:51] <Pici> !best
[18:51] <pusselgenerator> Serraphyn: Go for some RSS feeds, stay updated with everything.
[18:51] <Izinucs> Serraphyn: vmware is free too.. the server.. better?  just depends.. I've used both. and like them both
[18:51] <calc> pwnedulongtime: in ~/.vmware/config you need xkeymap.nokeycodeMap = "TRUE"
[18:51] <pusselgenerator> Serraphyn: Look up Google Reader, awesome stuff
[18:51] <calc> pwnedulongtime: otherwise up arrow will launch print screen app in gnome lol
[18:51] <Ax3> number one reason vmware > *...... *drumroll* UNITY
[18:51] <lolnoob> I ran accidently orca how shall I disable it?
[18:51]  * Serraphyn needs to come out of her cave more often
[18:51] <Serraphyn> When did VMWare go free?
[18:51] <NauarchLysander> How can I return to the default fonts in Gnome? There's no default button.
[18:52] <pyro_> If I wanted to view net traffic by port on my computer what's the easiest way?
[18:52] <trimeta> Serraphyn: As in beer, not speech.
[18:52] <trimeta> And just the viewer.
[18:52] <joaopinto> lolman, disable it from, System -> Preferences -> Sessions
[18:52] <Ax3> pyrak, netstat and iftop
[18:52] <Izinucs> Serraphyn: server & player have been that way for a couple years
[18:52] <joaopinto> i mean, lolnoob
[18:52] <Ax3> pyro_, netstat and iftop
[18:52] <pyro_> ty
[18:52] <Mimi> NauarchLysander,   i believe default is the font called  Sans
[18:52] <dulak> trimeta: vmware server is free, not just the player
[18:52] <avarus> man, I was so enthusiastic this evening :P
[18:52] <lolman> joaopinto, tab complete fail ;)
[18:52] <trimeta> dulak: Still not as in speech.
[18:52] <Izinucs> trimeta: server is free too..
[18:52] <mongolai> dulak:  it was about a year ago
[18:52] <Serraphyn> ah well, i don't need either though I keep virtualbox on my systme just incase.. if it don't work in linux I don't want it
[18:52] <pwnedulongtime> calc:  error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory
[18:53] <i-unknown> joaopinto: pt?
[18:53] <joaopinto> i-unknown, yes, but not relevant for this channel :)
[18:53] <calc> pwnedulongtime: using vmware 6.5?
[18:54] <i-unknown> joaopinto: calma, so queria saber, nao precisa ser mal educado :)
[18:54] <Cochese> Is there a subforum for upgrading?
[18:54] <joaopinto> i-unknown, I wanted to avoid this, you breaking the channel rules, writing in pt.. please join #ubuntu-pt for that ;)
[18:54] <mattl> does anyone have any idea about this USB stuff in 8.10? can a user now create a usb version of their install OS to run on a usb key?
[18:54] <pwnedulongtime> calc: not sure...can't start it to check version. where did you download 6.5?
[18:54] <Ax3> $ md5sum ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:54] <Ax3> f9cdb7e9ad85263dde17f8fc81a6305b  ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:54] <jerbear> anyone here use nomachine (not freenx)? does it gracefully handle compiz?
[18:54] <Ax3> WTF FAIL
[18:54] <FloodBot1> Ax3: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:54] <calc> pwnedulongtime: from vmware site
[18:54] <calc> pwnedulongtime: if its not 6.5 they might have a patch for it
[18:55] <pyro_> woo
[18:55] <andycas> I cant find NetworkManager?
[18:55] <pyro_> apt-p2p is cool :)
[18:55] <calc> pwnedulongtime: but 6.5 worked fine without any changes
[18:55] <joaopinto> Mattl, the usb installation is not based on the hd install, it requires the cdrom, that is the base image
[18:55] <pyro_> about time they integrated upgrades into a p2p system :)
[18:55] <i-unknown> joaopinto: no problem, my english's good enough, and i'm not here to ask any support question, i'm here to help
[18:55] <joaopinto> i-unknown, great :)
[18:55] <mattl> joaopinto: thansk.
[18:55] <Mimi> i-unknown,  hehehe he wans't trying to be mean, he just replied, and said that we don't allow any non english languages in this channel, we got other channels for other languages, including portuguese #ubuntu-pt  (which I always forget to go to even though im portuguese too >_< )
[18:56] <Ax3> avarus, I redownloaded it, and it's giving me the same md5sum
[18:56] <Ax3> shall I proceed?
[18:56] <Cochese> Why isn't the upgrade working? anyone else having issues?
[18:56] <avarus> hehe
[18:56] <avarus> Ax3, no :)
[18:56] <avarus> Ax3, I finished for today :)
[18:56] <avarus> I'll try it tomorrow
[18:56] <cowbellemoo> pyro_, how easy was it to configure?  I took one look at a how-to the other day and wilted
[18:56] <Ax3> this time it was via p2p and not http
[18:56] <Ax3> :S
[18:56] <avarus> oww
[18:56] <i-unknown> Mimi: not happening again :)
[18:56] <Izinucs> Cochese: the server are probably BUSY.. wait a couple of days.
[18:56] <avarus> man...I just started the torrent:(/
[18:56] <sd32> man... flock integrates with linux better then firefox
[18:56] <andycas> I upgraded to 8.10, but i cant see NetworkManagers GUI anymore. in terminal, the log looks fine
[18:56] <avarus> Ax3, ah, just give it a try and tell me :P
[18:57] <stimpie> andycas, I have the same issue
[18:57] <Cochese> Izinucs, thanks. Has anyone else got it to upgrade?
[18:57] <Pyrophelia> hmm
[18:57] <stimpie> andycas, after /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart it shows
[18:57] <Ax3> im not using a local x86_64 box, only i686, I can't attach to vmware right now
[18:57] <svh> can any one tell me how to setup my user  so i can delete file that keep telling me i do not have permission to delete
[18:57] <Pyrophelia> Has anybody used apt-p2p to upgrade to ibex yet?
[18:57] <Ax3> the i386 is almost done, so I'll test that in a virtual machine
[18:57] <HellMind> Where can I get the ubuntu-server netinstall?
[18:57] <jerbear> svh: where is the file?
[18:57] <avarus> Ax3, ya, the x86 could be OK :)
[18:58] <bpgoldsb> Anyone know an ubuntu mirror that ISNT slammed? For updating my cache, not for downloading intrepid
[18:58] <Serraphyn> Never understood peoples obession with upgrading the same day something comes out.. to many bugs and issues...
[18:58] <svh> in trash
[18:58] <Pyrophelia> I'm wondering if it's possible to limit the upstream.  I'm sending @ 540KBps :x
[18:58] <Descention> 8.10 supports a persitant usb installation, correct?  how is this done?
[18:58] <andycas> stimpie: nope, doesnt show after that either
[18:58] <Raito-> bpgoldsb: use the torrent?
[18:58] <trimeta> Descention: If you find out, tell me how.
[18:58] <dimedo> hi, where can i find the keyring from the package ubuntu-keyring to import the key into my personal keyring to verify the images i just downloaded, or is there an easier way?
[18:58] <Mimi> Pyrophelia,  in Transmission client?
[18:58] <jerbear> svh: you'll probably have to use sudo, i'm guessing the files are not owned by you
[18:58] <euxneks> Serraphyn, I upgrade _before_ it's released
[18:58] <euxneks> ;P
[18:58] <bpgoldsb> Raito-: I'm not downloading hte CD, I'm downloading packages for apt.
[18:58] <Pyrophelia> mimi: no, apt-p2p it's a p2p version of apt.
[18:58] <Cochese> Serraphyn, My obsession is getting modem usage ut of my Nokia E71 at work. Any other questions?
[18:58] <avarus> Ax3, highlight me if it works
[18:58] <avarus> thanks
[18:58] <bd_> dimedo: if you're already running ubuntu, you should have it already (from the previous version), I think
[18:59] <bd_> unless they changed the key
[18:59] <Raito-> bpgoldsb: ah. try a non-us mirror then?
[18:59] <Misterjos> hmz, upgrading gone wrong, 50 minutes "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" how long should it take normally to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[18:59] <bd_> in which case, upgrade that installation and you'll have the latest one :)
[18:59] <dimedo> bd_,  i have hardy, but the key is not in my personal keyring.
[18:59] <calc> i only had to update one package on my install to have 8.10 :)
[18:59] <svh> there old file that i created
[18:59] <Hentay> maybe someone know from where can i get CanonMF4 drivers?
[18:59] <Pyrophelia> Mimi, it's in the ibex repos but not hardy so I used a script I found of the torrentfreak website that explained how to dist upgrade using apt-p2p which works great but I'm wondering if it's possible limit the upstream a tad :)
[18:59] <Hentay> !canon
[18:59] <calc> HellMind: maybe on cdimage.ubuntu.com but its overloaded afaict
[19:00] <Sidtoner1> hello
[19:00] <Ax3> z$ md5sum ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[19:00] <Ax3> 24ea1163ea6c9f5dae77de8c49ee7c03  ubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso
[19:00] <Ax3> md5 doesn't match that either
[19:00] <bd_> dimedo: ahh, dpkg -L ubuntu-keyring will tell you where it is
[19:00] <Ax3> testing in a virtual machine now regardless
[19:00] <Serraphyn> Cochese, I did not ask a question, so maybe get off your high horse and figure things out instead of thinking the new shiny nickel will make everything better.
[19:01] <frank23> what is a good torrent client with rss feed support? Transmission doesn't seem to do it
[19:01] <Pyrophelia> I'm on fios so it's not like 500KB is a big hit to my ping but it would be nice to figure out where the .conf is.  that wasn't explained very well in the torrentfreak blog.
[19:01] <magnetron> frank23→ deluge
[19:01] <andycas> stimpie: ah, NetworkManager was having an issue with keyring manager, fixed now
[19:01] <Pyrophelia> so nobody here has used apt-p2p yet? :(
[19:01] <Raito-> Misterjos	hmz, upgrading gone wrong, 50 minutes "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" how long should it take normally to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?   <-- you sure its still processing? It keeps saying that, then has "changes applied" in the tops ection of the window. Gets me every time
[19:01] <frank23> magnetron: I'll look into it
[19:01] <Omoikane> Okay, I installed Ibex and now my mute button doesn't work.
[19:01] <Cochese> Serraphyn, try the nickel for 5 cents worth of class.
[19:01] <magnetron> frank23→ get it from the repos
[19:01] <mongolai> Serraphyn:  that's the thing. Linux is still for "new shiny nickel" collectors :-) er, to a point, that is
[19:01] <frank23> magnetron: yep
[19:02] <Sidtoner1> i installed 8.10 today and i can't get basic programs to show up in synaptic like i used to be able to when i ran previous versions...i enabled backports and the restricted repositories but i can't get things like flash support or vlc to show up. any ideas?
[19:02] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane; remap it in keysettings, when I upgraded to hardy I lost most of my media keys.  remapping fixed it
[19:02] <Mimi> Silly question but does anyone know what theme this is? HINT: It's not Mac4Lin   http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1/pantallazo10ax2.jpg
[19:02] <Hentay> anyone can help me?
[19:02] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane, system/pref/keyboard shortcuts
[19:02] <jimmio> Hello all, I jumped into ed from command line using Ctrl+Alt+F1, and it's saying ? to everything I do... How do I get out of it? Ctrl+C does nothing except make it ? again...
[19:02] <Serraphyn> Cochese, might take your own advice.  I'm not the one with the attitude. But I see your desire to supress someone else overrides your common sense.
[19:02] <profanephobia> I have a zonet modem with a motorola chipset and after installing it and configuring wvdial, when i try to dial it sends the first INT string successfully then cant find the carrier, what could cause this?
[19:02] <lolnoob> How hell do I remove orca completely
[19:03] <Wavesonics> hola. hey isn't 8.10 server suppose to be able to do software RAID? I can't find the others in the server install
[19:03] <Pyrophelia> lolnoob, sudo apt-get -purge orca
[19:03] <mrpockets> so
[19:03] <jerbear> does ibex include flash plugin 10?
[19:03] <Pici> jerbear: yes
[19:03] <mrpockets> I know i'm probably the 10000 person to ask this
[19:03] <Sidtoner1> also i notice while trying to refresh my list from the server a lot of the servers fail no matter what mirror i choose... are a lot of the servers getting hammered and not working right?
[19:03] <jerbear> Pici: thanks
[19:03] <jesus7777> I can see my sata disk and my ide disk but i cannot isntall ubuntu in ide disk. This disk doesnt appears in partitionating
[19:03] <FreshUbuntuNoob> Sidtoner1, Yes they are getting hammered
[19:03] <mrpockets> can you just upgrade with apt-get upgrade?
[19:03] <svh> is there a way setup the user to get premission to delete files from trash
[19:03] <pwnedulongtime> ooh what happened to "transparent cube" in compix? :(
[19:03] <dimedo> bd_,  thx, do you have any idea now how i can use this keyring directly to verify my downloads? or how i can export it's contents to import them into my personal ring?
[19:03] <FreshUbuntuNoob> mrpockets, Yes dist-upgrade would work
[19:03] <Pyrophelia> mrpockets, sudo apt-get -d (after manual source edit)
[19:03] <Cochese> Serraphyn, I don't desire to supress anyone. I desire a modem fix for my phone. Pound sand.
[19:03] <jerbear> svh: check the ownership of the files in the trash
[19:03] <ThePandemic82> Hi.  i installed nvidia display driver using envy in 8.04.  I just upgraded to 8.10.  Do I have to reinstall my display driver??
[19:04] <Misterjos> no Raito- it says it only once, there is HD activity, but cpu is not really busy. should i abort it and so a clean install of 8.10?
[19:04] <mrpockets> thanks guys
[19:04] <Sidtoner1> FreshUbuntuNoob: is that why i am not able to install things like vlc and the restricted extras package? ie they don't even show up to install
[19:04] <jtmoney> could someone tell me what program is running in the console here: http://news.cnet.com/2300-1001_3-6247274-2.html?tag=mncol
[19:04] <ubunt2> hello I have 8.04
[19:04] <Omoikane> Pyrophelia I opened it but I'm having trouble understanding how to adjust it and what to toggle it to.
[19:04] <jtmoney> looks like top++
[19:04] <Pyrophelia> mrpockets, wait sorry wrong command, it's sudo update-manager -d or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after a manual source edit
[19:04] <bartmon> has anyone else noticed window titlebar corruption in intrepid?
[19:04] <ubunt2> is it necessary to upgrade to 8.10 from 8.04?
[19:04] <_biker_geek_> jtmoney: I think that's midnight commander.
[19:04] <mongolai> ubunt2:  no
[19:04] <bartmon> ubunt2: no
[19:04] <Misterjos> no ubunt2
[19:05] <Serraphyn> Cochese, to bad they don't put out some sort of list that tells people what does and doesn't work with linux to allow you to plan purchases and forsee upcoming issues.
[19:05] <jerbear> svn: sudo rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files/*
[19:05] <Mimi> bartmon,  not sure if this is what youre talking about but my themes sometimes flicker from the theme image to white, unless i resize the imagte
[19:05] <Mimi> *the window
[19:05] <FreshUbuntuNoob> Sidtoner1, You won't be able to download packages easily. B/c the servers are too busy
[19:05] <jimdb> when i move my mouse pointer over the title of a window the titlebar and buttons become distorted.  any ideas on how to solve that?
[19:05] <dug_> Sidtoner1: I have vlc installed, it is in multiverse
[19:05] <jtmoney> _biker_geek_: thanks
[19:05] <jerbear> svh: sudo rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files/*
[19:05] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane, unless they've changed it drastically it should be pretty easy.  double click the key you want to modify then hit the keyboard key that you want to represent that control.
[19:05] <svh> it has my name as owner
[19:05] <dulak> anyone know if the hauppage 350 works on hardy?
[19:05] <bd_> dimedo: gpg --import on those .gpg files
[19:05] <Sidtoner1> dug_ i have the extra repositories enabled but nothing shows up... do i have to manually add one?
[19:06] <graingert> dulak: dunno test it on ibex
[19:06] <dug_> Sidtoner1: how did you enable them?  if you did it on command line remember to sudo apt-get update
[19:06] <NickieFerrante> Intrepid didn't like my graphics card drivers. Any way from terminal/using the internal graphics that I can update them?
[19:06] <Cochese> Serraphyn, it supposedly does work. It apparently is not working. You apparently don't have a solution. You should probably pound more sand
[19:06] <jtmoney> dulak: i'm pretty sure all the hauppauge cards work just fine... check mythtv/ivtv documentation though
[19:06] <dulak> jtmoney: thx
[19:06] <Pyrophelia> holy bleep.  ~720KBps with apt-p2p o.o
[19:06] <jimmio> I jumped into ed from command line using Ctrl+Alt+F1, and it's saying ? to everything I do... How do I get out of it? Ctrl+C does nothing except make it ? again...
[19:07] <Serraphyn> Cochese, good luck. Hope your attitude takes you far in life.
[19:07] <Sidtoner1> dug_: i did it in synaptic gui by checking the boxes and refreshed but some of the servers are failing to connect
[19:07] <bd_> jimmio: the ed editor? maybe try :q!
[19:07] <bartmon> Mimi: My problem is that sometimes the titlebar just goes gray, sometimes just half of it...  I could have sworn Ctrl+C closed it... oh well, thanks
[19:08] <Ax3> avarus, installing via a virtual  machine now, will let you know what happens
[19:08] <bartmon> strAlan: cinellera, kino, avidemux
[19:08] <dulak> jimmio: in ed ctrl-c goes to command mode
[19:08] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane: exactly what is the problem? can you not figure out how to map a key or is the key you want to map not responding?
[19:08] <strAlan> bartmon, thank you
[19:08] <dug_> Sidtoner1: only thing I can recommend is go to synaptic package manager->settings->repositories->download from->other->select best server to see if there is a faster server
[19:08] <avarus> Ax3, k
[19:08] <dulak> jimmio: ctrl-c followed by q would have quit you out
[19:09] <zsb> hej
[19:09] <mongolai> jimmio:  it's still running, but suspended. It you type fg  it will return to the foreground...
[19:09] <jerbear> Omoikane: you should test the keypress with xev to see if you are getting a valid keycode for your mute button
[19:09] <jesus77777> anyone with problems to partition a ide disk? i cannot see it!!! i see sata and ide but in the partition windows i only see sata!!
[19:09] <Sidtoner1> dug_: yeah i am trying that and it pings the servers but doesn't actually change anything... doesn't say what one is responding fastest
[19:09] <mongolai> jimmio:  unless you kill -15  'ed it
[19:09] <dulak> it makes me feel old that I know how to work ed
[19:09] <calc> pwnedulongtime: what does it say?
[19:10] <calc> pwnedulongtime: all of my old guests worked fine for me
[19:10] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane, also keep in mind the pulse is a little broken for systems that use more than a 2.1 setup.  For example on my 7.1 system mute and volume only modify the front speakers.  There is actually a fix for this but I've been too lazy to research it
[19:10] <mongolai> dulak:  you should be proud. no-one really knows ed anymore
[19:10] <NickieFerrante> Any idea how to make ubuntu update a graphics driver from command line?
[19:10] <Pyrophelia> NickieFerrante, what card?
[19:11] <dug_> Sidtoner1: also there is a thing called apt-p2p that uses bitorrent for downloading packages, but it seems tricky to configure right, haven't used it myself
[19:11] <NickieFerrante> ATI radeon 2400
[19:11] <jerbear> NickieFerrante: are you talking about installing the driver or configuring it?
[19:11] <Sidtoner1> dug_: ok i'll look into it thanks
[19:11] <jtmoney> NickieFerrante: sudo apt-get install fglrx (i think)
[19:11] <XshoppyX> hello
[19:11] <NickieFerrante> Updated and forgot to disable my graphics driver first =/
[19:11] <Pyrophelia> NickieFerrante, I have no idea about ati cards :x  try this from cli, apt-cache search ati|less
[19:12] <XshoppyX>  export http_proxy=<IP_ADDRESS>:10000
[19:12] <XshoppyX> i used that command and i want to chang it back
[19:12] <XshoppyX> how can i?
[19:12] <Pyrophelia> NickieFerrante, if you find something that looks promising type sudo apt-get install name_of_package
[19:12] <Omoikane> Pyrophelia okay here is what I did. I changed my volume up to the mute button to make sure it's not a broken button. It did work. Then I changed my volume up key to mute and it didn't work. So it has to be somewhere in the actual function.
[19:12] <not_jrib> XshoppyX: unset http_proxy
[19:12] <XshoppyX> thanks
[19:13] <sanguisdex> has any one had a matching checksum from a torrent?
[19:13] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane, it's possible it's a bug
[19:13] <Omoikane> Pyrophelia Really? How do I report it?
[19:13] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane, ibex was just came out today so give them a day or 2 to sort out the flux
[19:13] <rappell> has anyone done anything using peap in network manager?
[19:13] <Pyrophelia> launchpad I think?
[19:14] <Omoikane> Pyrophelia k
[19:14] <Pyrophelia> Omoikane, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[19:14] <dereck> how can I create a tarball of a folder via CLI?
[19:14] <jtmoney> dereck: something like tar cvf filename.tar directory/
[19:14] <jerbear> dereck: tar czf foo.tar.gz your_dir
[19:14] <jimmio> note to self: Use nano next time
[19:14] <jtmoney> but maybe filename.tar and directory are backwards :-X
[19:14] <mrbig4545> i know its ot, but its is cool, http://digg.com/politics/Canada_Man_Up_You_Fucking_Cowards
[19:14] <aRk4> hi all, i want to download ubuntu mid, but i don't know where i can download it. anyone can help me?
[19:15] <jtmoney> ohh, yeah, tarball... .tar.gz
[19:15] <hiswacko> hey
[19:15] <dereck> jtmoney: thanks!
[19:15] <brn2fly4evr> do
[19:15] <un2him> i am having a problem with a very slow network speed on the new intrepid release.  Suggestions?
[19:15] <hiswacko> wheres the torrent link for 8.10? i wanna seed
[19:15] <Pyrophelia> aRk4, what's ubuntu mid?
[19:15] <not_jrib> !torrents
[19:15] <svh> do i use su  when i try using sudo to remove files from trash
[19:15] <profanephobia> I have a zonet modem with a motorola chipset and after installing it and configuring wvdial, when i try to dial it sends the first INT string successfully then cant find the carrier, what could cause this?
[19:15] <Yimpolo> wow
[19:16] <not_jrib> svh: no, no su
[19:16] <jerbear> svh: sudo rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/files/*
[19:16] <aRk4> !ubuntu mid
[19:16] <Sephr> does 8.10 support fake raid?
[19:16] <aRk4> hi all, i want to download ubuntu mid, but i don't know where i can download it. anyone can help me?
[19:16] <E-XtraCt> Hello, I'm pretty newb with linux, what is better for the strater user Ubuntu or Kubuntu, any why ?
[19:16] <jtmoney> hiswacko: seeding's good right now... i just downloaded 1 MB/s for 8.10-desktop-i386 and 1 MB/s for 8.04.1-server-amd64 ;)
[19:16] <E-XtraCt> Hello, I'm pretty newb with linux, what is better for the strater user Ubuntu or Kubuntu, and why ?
[19:16] <newb> E-XtraCt: both are good
[19:16] <Misterjos> btw, is it possible to install ubuntu from an usb stick?
[19:16] <newb> E-XtraCt: Ubuntu is SIMPLER to use
[19:16] <jtmoney> E-XtraCt: either... it's a preference
[19:16] <hiswacko> jtmoney: my ridiculous uni connection couldnt hurt
[19:16] <jerbear> E-XtraCt: strater user?
[19:17] <jtmoney> nice
[19:17] <not_jrib> E-XtraCt: either.  I'd recommend Ubuntu and then install kubuntu-desktop and you get to use both.  You just choose at the login screen whether you want to use GNOME or KDE then
[19:17] <faileas> i'm having a problem with virtualbox personal edition and usb. i keep getting the " Could not load the Host USB Proxy Service (VERR_FILE_NOT_FOUND). The service might be not installed on the host computer. " error. the fixes for older versions of ubuntu seem to be irrelavent since the lines they tell me to uncomment don't ecist. any ideas?
[19:17] <aRk4> hi all, i want to download ubuntu mid, but i don't know where i can download it. anyone can help me? please...
[19:17] <jimmio> is there a way to take a snapshot of tty1?
[19:17] <trimeta> faileas: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ has a link.
[19:18] <Sephr> does anyone know if ubuntu 8.10 support fake raid?
[19:18] <SlimeyPete> define "fake raid"
[19:18] <jerbear> jimmio: you can record a terminal session with 'script'
[19:18] <Sephr> software RAID
[19:18] <trimeta> Sephr: I've got a Hardy Heron server with what I expect you're referring to as "fake RAID," so I expect Ibex supports it as well.
[19:18]  * sanguisdex jusr redownlaoded the alt ISO and is checking the md5
[19:18] <trimeta> If you mean mdadm and all that stuff, then yes.
[19:19] <Sephr> this kind: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[19:19] <mvno_subscriber> ubuntu won't recognize my hard disk or dvd-drive. this has gotten even worse with 8.10. there have been some bugs filed on this, but none seems resolved. with 8.04, i could install using wubi and boot after waiting 5 min, now i can't boot at all (just ends up in (initramfs)). can anyone help?
[19:19] <faileas> trimeta: erm... i think you meant aRk4
[19:19] <Sephr> 8.04 has never worked with fake raid for me
[19:19] <SlimeyPete> Sephr: Ubuntu has supported software RAID for ages :)
[19:19] <Sephr> even the alt installer
[19:19] <E-XtraCt> There is release for Intel x64 of Ubuntu 8.10 ?
[19:19] <Sephr> SlimeyPete» FAKE raid is different than normal RAID
[19:19] <jimmio> jerbear: Anything you know of that acts as the Print Screen button does?
[19:19] <trimeta> E-XtraCt: Yes.
[19:19] <faileas> E-XtraCt: yes.
[19:19] <Sephr> ubuntu has never worked on fake raid for me
[19:19] <Raito-> Sephr	8.04 has never worked with fake raid for me  <-- odd, im using it with a software raid-5 array right now
[19:19] <faileas> amd64 = intel x64
[19:20] <jerbear> jimmio: not if you're on a virtual terminal
[19:20] <E-XtraCt> oh
[19:20] <trimeta> Sephr: Normal RAID is done at the hardware level, and so it doesn't matter what OS you've got.
[19:20] <jtmoney> yeah, hardware RAID FTW
[19:20] <Raito-> hardware raid FOR TEH EXPENSIVE
[19:20] <bartmon> it costs $$$
[19:20] <Sephr> trimeta» I didn't say normal raid
[19:20] <SlimeyPete> Sephr: can't you just put your fake-raid controller into seperate-channels mode and then use standard software RAID?
[19:20] <jerbear> jimmio: if you're doing through your terminal emulator (xterm, gnome-terminal) then printscreen would work
[19:20] <trimeta> Sephr: The point is, I don't have a hardware controller, but I have RAID on my Hardy system.
[19:20] <psusi> Sephr: the installer crashes for me at the last step when it installs grub, which I had to install manually
[19:20] <trimeta> So I must have fake RAID.
[19:20] <jtmoney> yeah, it costs money but it's less headache and performs better
[19:21] <Sephr> trimeta» used alternate or normal installer?
[19:21] <trimeta> Sephr: Server installer.
[19:21]  * sanguisdex sill has an unmatching checksum
[19:21] <trimeta> Which has a whole mode for setting up software RAID.
[19:21] <jerbear> i would never use a software raid.. hardware raid all the way
[19:21] <alkjdfal> can anyone help me force mount an ext3 fs
[19:21] <Sephr> does the desktop alternate installer support mostly everything the server one does?
[19:21] <jerbear> alkjdfal: force mount?
[19:22] <alkjdfal> yes
[19:22] <jimmacdonald> So are we back to #Ubuntu now for Ibex support?
[19:22] <Eric2> so any major problems i should know about before i click the upgrade button :P?
[19:22] <stimpie> grrr I hate the new networkmanager
[19:22] <Sephr> btw, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto says fake raid won't work for me
[19:22] <joaopinto> Sephr, it does not include the server packages on the cd
[19:22] <bartmon> alkjdfal: check the fs first: fsck /dev/sdXY
[19:22] <alkjdfal> i try a regular mount command and get an error
[19:22] <ais523> well, I'm upgrading to Ibex atm and joined #ubuntu pre-emptively, if I shuld be in a different channel let me know
[19:22] <jerbear> alkjdfal: it either mounts or it doesn't
[19:22] <NickieFerrante> Eric2: watch out with your graphics cards
[19:22] <aRk4> thanks all
[19:22] <jerbear> alkjdfal: what is that error?
[19:23] <E-XtraCt> If I have Intel E8400 what is more recommended to install amd64 or intel x86 ?
[19:23] <Sephr> joaopinto» so should I use the alternate desktop or the server installer?
[19:23] <jimmacdonald> ais523: If they cant/wont answer your questions here yet you can go to #Ubuntu+1
[19:23] <psusi> Sephr: what do you m ean it says it won't work for you?
[19:23] <alkjdfal> should i clear the flags
[19:23] <Eric2>  NickieFerrante i have an old ati 9600 think itll be ok?
[19:23] <ais523> jimmacdonald: thanks
[19:23] <not_jrib> E-XtraCt: how much ram do you have?
[19:23] <E-XtraCt> If I have Intel E8400 what is more recommended to install amd64 or intel x86 ?
[19:23] <E-XtraCt> 4GB
[19:23] <Sephr> psusi» it won't even recognise that I have any hard drives
[19:24] <NickieFerrante> Eric2: Yea that's one of the few that will :P
[19:24] <Guest91356> E-XtraCt, i suggest 32bit, more simple and fully working
[19:24] <profanephobia> I have a zonet modem with a motorola chipset and after installing it and configuring wvdial, when i try to dial it sends the first INT string successfully then cant find the carrier, what could cause this?
[19:24] <Eric2> k :P
[19:24] <Sephr> psusi» and I get some I/O errors and BusyBox launches and that's it
[19:24] <Izinucs> E-XtraCt: x86 for less headaches if you're not use to linux
[19:24] <not_jrib> E-XtraCt: if you want to see all 4gb, you should go with 64bit.  Some closed source apps may only release 32bit binaries though
[19:24] <Ax3> I think this is a great indicator that people don't give a crap about file integrity, because only a handful of people in here actually have noticed that the MD5's don't match.... which means people aren't checking
[19:24] <agentsoul> I'm not able to find a bug report but since I use 8.10 I can't use "Hybernate" anymore. Is it a bug or do only I have this problem? Hybernate = shut down but start with the same programs after rebooting.
[19:24] <psusi> Sephr: so you get it installed then it won't boot up?
[19:24] <srr_> hello friends
[19:24] <Eric2> O.o
[19:24] <avarus> Ax3, does that mean i386 also fails?
[19:24] <faileas> agentsoul: got enough swap?
[19:25] <Sephr> psusi» I can't even start the installer
[19:25] <Ax3> avarus, it's still installing
[19:25] <DJones> jimmacdonald: ais523 Just for info, #ubuntu+1 doesn't exist anymore, it forwards to release-party
[19:25] <srr_> i have a problem with my ubuntu can you help me?
[19:25] <Ax3> avarus, 32%
[19:25] <psusi> Sephr: eh?  you can't even boot the livecd?
[19:25] <Sephr> psusi» instant i/o errors and installer crashes
[19:25] <jimmio> srr_:!ask
[19:25] <jimmio> !ask
[19:25] <centyx> you can always tell when there's been a new ubuntu release. s-8
[19:25] <Sephr> psusi» never tried alternate livecd but normal desktop live cd won't work
[19:25] <faileas> XD
[19:25] <anoneemouse> does someone here know how to work with twinview and kde?
[19:25] <profanephobia> I have a zonet modem with a motorola chipset and after installing it and configuring wvdial, when i try to dial it sends the first INT string successfully then cant find the carrier, what could cause this?
[19:25] <JenZ> hi all, just downloaded and installed the Alternate-version of Kubuntu (because in the desktop-cd my gfx-card was not recognized (ati radeon 9600 r300)
[19:25] <markrian> Where is the time tracking applet that's in GNOME 2.24 in 8.10? I can't seem to find it...
[19:25] <Izinucs> centyx: yep! mayhem for the next 2 weeks
[19:25] <anoneemouse> when i maximise windows they fill both screens
[19:25] <Ax3> Sephr, did you compute the md5sum of the .iso you're using?
[19:25] <agentsoul> faileas 2GB for 1GB RAM and it worked on 8.04 very well. I did an upgrade not a complete installation
[19:26] <psusi> Sephr: the livecd IS the normal one... well if you can't even boot the livecd it probably doesn't have anything to do with the fakeraid
[19:26] <alkjdfal> in fsck how can i automatically select yest
[19:26] <JenZ> but now i still dont have xwindow
[19:26] <ay^> what can I do with these "program crash data"-files? Can I somehow read them and understand what went wrong?
[19:26] <Sephr> Ax3» all of the 8.04 isos I've used had the right md5
[19:26] <sanguisdex> the checksums  on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ don't match with the ones here http://releases.ubuntu.com/intrepid/MD5SUMS
[19:26] <snowmoon-work> Is anyone else having trouble with bluetooth or is it just my new E6500? I can pair with devices, but they don't want to actually work ( mouse, phone as modem )
[19:26] <srr_> when i run synaptic manager it says E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[19:26] <Sephr> I'm thinking of trying all of this all over again with the release of 8.10
[19:26] <snowmoon-work> that would be under 8.10
[19:26] <weshit> M000000000! bad cow rising!
[19:26] <srr_> wha can i do???
[19:26] <srr_> what
[19:26] <distant_voice> if I use mozilla thunderbird in ubuntu will it slow down my computer as opposed to using a program that's included in gnome? I got confused when I read that using KDE apps slow down the Gnome desktop... :(
[19:26] <E-XtraCt> How can I install both Ubuntu and Kubuntu as not_jrib mentioned above ?
[19:27] <bingungaja> how to reformat my notebook with ubuntu ? really clean all my hdd and re format, then install ibex, pls advise
[19:27] <ay^> srr_: do what it says
[19:27] <srr_> i dit it
[19:27] <joaopinto> bingungaja, just use the livecd, and select, use entire disk
[19:27] <srr_> but it did nothing
[19:27] <ay^> bingungaja: launch the livecd and use gParted to format it
[19:27] <Ax3> sanguisdex, I just noticed that myself
[19:27] <dug_> distant_voice: it won't slow it down, i've been using it for years
[19:27] <plantfewd> anybody know if the problems with  the RTL8187 driver were solved?
[19:27] <srr_> i don't have a live cd
[19:27] <Izinucs> bingungaja: you can do that while installing.. there will be an option to use the entire drive..
[19:27] <srr_> please help
[19:27] <profanephobia> ok... how do i use my lg cu915 as a usb modem?
[19:27] <Ax3> sanguisdex, my .iso's compute to the listing on releases.ubuntu.com, i think i'd go with that one
[19:28] <avarus> Ax3, mine, too but that one failed for me
[19:28] <distant_voice> thanks dug_
[19:28] <sd32> is flash 10 out for linux yet?
[19:28] <svh> sorry but that keeps tilling me that can not remove  rm and the rest no file or dir
[19:28] <Eric2> i think this is the most ppl i have ever seen in this room
[19:28] <NickieFerrante> YES! I GOT THE DRIVER TO WORK!
[19:28] <bingungaja> all : ok option use the entire disc, is it really need to partisi my hdd ?
[19:28] <dug_> sd32: yes
[19:28] <NickieFerrante> thanks all for your helps :D
[19:28] <lucax> whats the name of the package for configuring compiz? im on intrepid ibex
[19:28] <Ax3> avarus, 61%
[19:28] <weshit> is it possible to reformat/repartition hdds in 8.10? (gparted?)
[19:28] <sd32> dug_: thanks
[19:28] <srr_> anybody can help me please?
[19:28] <sanguisdex> Ax3: minr do as well
[19:28] <ay^> weshit: yes
[19:28] <joaopinto> weshit, yes it is
[19:28] <jimmio> !ask | srr_
[19:28] <dug_> weshit you not
[19:28] <E-XtraCt> How can I install both Ubuntu and Kubuntu as not_jrib mentioned above ?
[19:29] <Eric2> lol...
[19:29] <psusi> Sephr: so you just try to boot the livecd normally and it drops you to a busybox shell in the initramfs?
[19:29] <kevsthabest> rm
[19:29] <sfears> can anyone help me with some network manager startup problems?
[19:29] <Sephr> psusi» yes
[19:29] <srr_> when i run synaptic manager it says : E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[19:29] <srr_> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[19:29] <sanguisdex> E-XtraCt: install unbuntu
[19:29] <Raito-> E-XtraCt: install ubuntu, then kubuntu-desktop through synaptic, you can choose which desktop environment to start at the login screen
[19:29] <joaopinto> E-XtraCt, just install one of them and them sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <ricc> Helloooooo!
[19:29] <profanephobia> ok... how do i use my lg cu915 as a usb modem?
[19:29] <sanguisdex> E-XtraCt: then not you can add the kubuntu repo
[19:29] <psusi> Sephr: which boot option are you choosing?
[19:29] <sd32> will flash be on the new ubuntu or is it a seperare download
[19:29] <dug_> rj
[19:29] <dug_> rj
[19:29] <dug_> oops
[19:30] <FloodBot1> dug_: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:30] <Orchid`> hello i am having some issues remembering my password for my AOL email, is it possible to go into pidgin and see a passwor di ahve entered for my AOL messenger, without it being cnessred, and if so how do i do this?
[19:30] <Eric2> be nice if it had flash 10
[19:30] <joaopinto> sd32, it is downloaded from adobe's server
[19:30] <E-XtraCt> Thanks joaopinto.
[19:30] <not_jrib> Orchid`: ask #pidgin.  Check ~/.purple
[19:30] <sd32> jojoao
[19:30] <Orchid`> thanks you!
[19:30] <not_jrib> Eric2: 8.10 does have flash 10
[19:30] <Sephr> psusi» default boot options (and btw, I'm using x64)
[19:30] <sd32> joaopinto: thanks
[19:30] <srr_> when i run synaptic manager it says E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. E: _cache->open() failed, please report..
[19:30] <srr_> help please
[19:30] <Eric2> O.o nice
[19:30] <sfears> if i remove the NetworkManager.conf & knetworkmanager.conf files from /etc/dbus-1/system.d my issue goes away but then knetworkmanager doesn't start on boot up and i can't connect to any wireless networks!
[19:30] <not_jrib> srr_: run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[19:31] <Sephr> all of my hardware supports 64-bit
[19:31] <joaopinto> srr_, on the terminal please run ....
[19:31] <Sephr> so that shouldn't be a problem
[19:31] <dug_> sd32: it's the flashplugin-nonfree package in multiverse repository
[19:31] <nekostar> so....
[19:31] <psusi> Sephr: yea, but which choice on the menu are you picking?  the try ubuntu without installing one?
[19:31] <jimmio> srr_: open a terminal and press type sudo dpkg --configure -a then your password...
[19:31] <profanephobia> how do i use my lg cu915 as a usb modem?
[19:31] <sd32> dug_: ok thanks again
[19:31] <Sephr> psusi» try without installing and the install one both get me into busybox
[19:31] <Sephr> tried both
[19:32] <sd32> dug_: is it up to 10 or is it still at 9?
[19:32] <psusi> Sephr: weird... what's it say when it dumps you there?
[19:32] <nekostar> !paste
[19:32] <Ax3> avarus, 82%
[19:32] <almostdvs> i'm going to try and use unetbootin for my distro image,  should i worry about the formatting of the usb?
[19:32] <sfears> profanephobia: you need to goole info on your particular phone and see what phone number, user name & password you need to dial up to, then use a dial up manager to connect to the internet
[19:32] <Sephr> psusi» a bunch of i/o errors with my fake raid
[19:32] <nekostar> first off
[19:32] <srr_> it says: readlink : misiing operant
[19:32] <psusi> Sephr: and then?
[19:32] <Sephr> that's it
[19:32] <snowmoon-work> Is anyone else using a BT mouse?  Do you have to insatall anything to get it working?
[19:33] <jimmio> why... does... EVERYONE NEED TO DISTRO UPGRADE THE DAY IT COMES OUT?! </pissyness>
[19:33] <nekostar> to anyone who needs a clean set of sources [remember to localize them but] http://paste.ubuntu.com/64753/
[19:33] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: I have a mighty mouse, and it worked out of the box?
[19:33] <sd32> dug_: isnt flash 10 still beta or has it final now?
[19:33] <nekostar> jimmio lol
[19:33] <psusi> Sephr: the last line or two should be some english text saying something like can't find root device or something like that
[19:33] <i0x83> hey guys how do i update my kernel, im using ubuntu 8.04 with 2.6.24-21-generic i would like to update to 2.6.24
[19:33] <dug_> sd32:  it's up to 10, i have it installed now
[19:33] <i0x83> hey guys how do i update my kernel, im using ubuntu 8.04 with 2.6.24-21-generic i would like to update to 2.6.26
[19:33] <nekostar> i do it about a month ahead of time
[19:33] <nekostar> :DS
[19:33] <sfears> snowmoon-work: install sysv-rc-conf & make sure your bluetooth services are enabled?
[19:33] <sd32> dug_: ok thanks
[19:33] <nekostar> i0x83
[19:33] <ais523> jimmio: so I can report bugs for all the people who dist-upgrade later
[19:33] <Ax3> jimmio, cuz we're tired of waiting for new features
[19:33] <nekostar> first dont repeat
[19:33] <psusi> Sephr: it's actually normal to get a bunch of IO errors during boot with fakeraid, just ignore that
[19:33] <Ax3> ^_^
[19:33] <nekostar> secondly:
[19:33] <FloodBot1> nekostar: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:33] <Ax3> lol @ nekostar
[19:33] <IonutVan> hi
[19:33] <i0x83> my bad
[19:33] <nekostar> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:33] <snowmoon-work> Cycom, sfears will try.  I can pair but nothing after that under 8.10
[19:33] <Sephr> psusi» I'm not sure it said that not being able to find root device
[19:33] <nekostar> that should update you i0x83 ^^
[19:34] <nekostar> stfu btw floatingman
[19:34] <nekostar> er FloodBot1
[19:34] <nekostar> lol
[19:34] <IonutVan> just a small/stupid question: is it safe to try an update from 7.04 to 8.10?
[19:34] <philippe_> Hello. My software top bar are often "bugged". Is it possible to solve this? ---> http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6742/desktopje2.jpg
[19:34] <nekostar> i fail at copy paste apparently
[19:34] <Sephr> psusi» it just doesn't let me get past the busybox after all of the io errors
[19:34] <nekostar> IonutVan no it's not
[19:34] <FloodBot1> nekostar: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:34] <jimmio> Nooo... because everyone wants to annoy the person trying to download xubuntu-desktop from Apt... =(
[19:34] <nekostar> you need to upgrade by single steps ok?
[19:34] <i0x83> nekostar thanks buddy
[19:34] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: how did you pair?
[19:34] <trimeta> IonutVan: It's generally recommended to first upgrade to 8.04, then upgrade to 8.10.
[19:34] <srr_> it says: readlink : misiing operant
[19:34] <psusi> Sephr: the errors mention trying to access beyond the end of the device right?
[19:34] <trimeta> Wait, don't forget 7.10.
[19:34] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: using the gui?
[19:34] <TimS> sudo has stopped working after an update, how do I open a root terminal?
[19:34] <i0x83> gonna try that
[19:34] <nekostar> trimeta i've tried it
[19:34] <trimeta> Like I just did.
[19:34] <nekostar> on a vanilla
[19:34] <not_jrib> IonutVan: no, you need to upgrade to everything in between.
[19:34] <nekostar> you GOTTA upgrade that way
[19:34] <snowmoon-work> Cycom: yes with the GUI
[19:34] <Sephr> psusi» I think so
[19:34] <not_jrib> !upgrade > IonutVan
[19:34] <psusi> Sephr: yea, just ignore those... it's normal
[19:35] <IonutVan> nekostar, trimeta thanks, I will do it in this way
[19:35] <i0x83> nekostar wouldnt that upgrade me to 8.10 ?
[19:35] <mikebeecham> having installed ubuntu 2 days ago...can I ask if I'm able to install new gtk engines from somewhere?
[19:35] <nekostar> 7.04 -> 7.10 -> 8.04 -> 8.10
[19:35] <Sephr> psusi» then what do I do? I am stuck in busybox until I restart
[19:35] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: it shows up under the 'Known devices'?
[19:35] <IonutVan> not_jrib, there is nothing regarding my question
[19:35] <IonutVan> :)
[19:35] <nekostar> i0x83 ?
[19:35] <IonutVan> I saw the page
[19:35] <nekostar> probably?
[19:35] <psusi> Sephr: what is currently on the hard disks?  just a windows install?  one big ntfs partition?
[19:35] <nekostar> what are you trying to do then?
[19:35] <ais523> TimS: restart and add "single" to the boot line while you boot up
[19:35] <srr_> i type sudo dpkg --configure -a but it doesn't work
[19:35] <snowmoon-work> Cycom: Yes
[19:35] <i0x83> gah well it seems that there is a bug with ext3 sd cards in my current version
[19:36] <nekostar> oohh
[19:36] <srr_> help please
[19:36] <not_jrib> IonutVan: huh? didn't you ask how to upgrade?
[19:36] <nekostar> hey i'll let u know a secret i0x83
[19:36] <nekostar> first enable backports/
[19:36] <Sephr> one sec
[19:36] <psusi> Sephr: is this a two disk raid0?
[19:36] <alessio> !list
[19:36] <nekostar> but your gonna need to compile probably
[19:36] <Sephr> psusi» yes
[19:36] <i0x83> nekostar the reason i came to that conclusion is that my buddy tried it on his and with 2.6.26 and it worked
[19:36] <IonutVan> not_jrib, <IonutVan> just a small/stupid question: is it safe to try an update from 7.04 to 8.10?
[19:36] <ais523> TimS: that's the emergency root prompt, it isn't much useful for anything but troubleshooting problems
[19:36] <srr_> i type sudo dpkg --configure -a but it doesn't work
[19:36] <TimS> ais523: Okay thanks
[19:36] <nekostar> one thing i've done before is take and change my sources to the next distro for a second, and installed kernel and changed sources back
[19:36] <not_jrib> IonutVan: yes... and I told you you needed to upgrade to everything in between first and gave you upgrade instructions
[19:36] <jimmio> srr_: I pm'd you.
[19:36] <nekostar> one can do similar with apt pinning rules
[19:37] <snowmoon-work> Cycom: and I know the mouse works... it works under Vista and with my MBP
[19:37] <TimS> ais523: This is another broken update
[19:37] <Sephr> I have 1 456GB ntfs partition and one 1 9gb partition
[19:37] <nekostar> i0x83 if its a decent machine, just compile it
[19:37] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: is it a mighty mouse?
[19:37] <nekostar> !compile kernel
[19:37] <nekostar> yeah
[19:37] <Sephr> and that's after all the raid stuff
[19:37] <snowmoon-work> Cycom: Dell travel mouse
[19:37] <TimS> Had to reconfigure X, which isn't the first time for me after updates
[19:37] <nekostar> one second i0x83 dpkg is better bot for compiling
[19:37] <Flannel> !kernel | nekostar
[19:37] <i0x83> alright thanks dude gonna try it out see where that takes me
[19:37] <psusi> Sephr: what's the 9gb partition?  more ntfs?
[19:37] <Izinucs> UPGRADING? Here's the published instructions. http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[19:37] <sd32> man i love how easy it is to change software in linux
[19:37] <svh> thankyou  Jerbear i would send it so your nickname would show up on the left i am no to all this thanks again
[19:38] <IonutVan> not_jrib, ok, thanks I will try to do it step by step
[19:38] <IonutVan> thanks
[19:38] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: huh. I'm not sure why it wouldn't be working.  is this just after an upgrade? is this 8.10?
[19:38] <gustavo_> Why can't setuptools be installed in Intrepid?  http://pastebin.com/d4e719f1e
[19:38] <dug_> isn't there a way to add a guest user now in ubuntu?  I'm showing a website at a booth tomorrow and don't want to be logged in with my own account
[19:38] <Sephr> I have no idea but I assume it's the lazy manufacturer's backup thing
[19:38] <sfears> if i remove the NetworkManager.conf & knetworkmanager.conf files from /etc/dbus-1/system.d my issue goes away but then knetworkmanager doesn't start on boot up and i can't connect to any wireless networks!
[19:38] <Sephr> because I don't have a backup disk
[19:38] <paul68> hi how do I get the UUID from my drives
[19:38] <lucax> wheres ubuntu-restricted-extras packages on intrepid?
[19:39] <hateball> paul68☠ blkid
[19:39] <psusi> dug_: yea... create a new account and call it "guest"
[19:39] <nekostar> g> To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en, or <kernel build-deps> dpkg> somebody said make-kpkg was the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a packag
[19:39] <nekostar> e for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html  man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. <dpkg> To compile a kernel the Debian Way using make-kpkg, "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential". If you want to use "make menuconfig", then install libncurses-dev. If you want to use "make xconfig", then install libqt3-mt-dev
[19:39] <nekostar> (and also make sure that all your alternatives point to qt3 versions not qt4). Also ask me about <kernel compile> <make-kpkg> <kp mantra> <dpkg> methinks kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd.
[19:39] <Sephr> it's such a waste too, only 5gb of the 9gb backup partition is actually used
[19:39] <FloodBot1> nekostar: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:39] <Sephr> nekostar» pastebin
[19:39] <nekostar> and THATS how you do kernel
[19:39] <paul68> hateball thanks
[19:39] <snowmoon-work> Cycom: brand new  install of 8.10... first install on this box... Vista BT stuff works as expected.  Guess I'll just have to wait
[19:39] <dekkong> hello! i have a question .. what or when does linux use swap for?
[19:39] <jimmio> !pastebin | nekostar
[19:39] <Dextorion> oh my..
[19:39] <crimsun> lucax: in multiverse.
[19:39] <nekostar> Sephr 3 lines != flood
[19:39] <lifestream> lucax,  have you got all repos enabled in software sources
[19:39] <lifestream> !swap > dekkong
[19:39] <nekostar> jimmio stfu i've been here way longer than you
[19:39] <velko> nekostar, are you dense? 3 lines???
[19:40] <jimmio> nekostar: That's NOT 3 lines....
[19:40] <nekostar> velko thats right
[19:40] <nekostar> 3 lines
[19:40] <not_jrib> let's try to play nice with one another...
[19:40] <nekostar> look at it
[19:40] <nekostar> hateball neko neko neko psusi
[19:40] <nekostar> learn your irc!
[19:40] <Dextorion> omg
[19:40] <lucax> lifestream: i think so... and least i see them all checked
[19:40] <Aggrav8d> hi!  I've got a web server running a demo of a CMS.  Every hour I'd like to flush and reset the database.  What is the best practice?
[19:40] <Sephr> jimmio» text-wrap != new lines
[19:40] <NorthByNorthWest> Hi all! What tool am I supposed to use to config multiple monitors? nvidia x server settings or is there some "native ubuntu" tool? I still need to sudo-start nvidia settings to save the settings, right?
[19:40] <nekostar> not_jrib i agree... considering i usually win these spats
[19:40] <velko> nekostar, yes. they fill up my whole screen. and _please_ don't use ENTER as punctuation
[19:40] <Cycom> snowmoon-work: I suppose.  it works fine for me, not that it's much consolation.
[19:40] <hateball> nekostar☠ What?
[19:40] <mongolai> nekostar: *now* you're playing fast and loose. I think someone was trying to bait you
[19:40] <nekostar> velko i dont really use enter as punctuation, however i do type as i talk irl
[19:41] <nekostar> mongolai yeah
[19:41] <nekostar> :D
[19:41] <GibbaTheHutt> NorthByNorthWest, use nvidia-settings and save the config
[19:41] <nekostar> the ops here do that occationally
[19:41] <dug_> Aggrav8d: you can use mysql dump and import.  keep a clean dump of the database and every hour use a cron job to re-import it
[19:41] <nekostar> i take em to taks though
[19:41] <TimS> Ugh, its the new kernel thats having issues with my system
[19:41] <nekostar> s/taks/task
[19:41] <TimS> The old one appears to boot fine
[19:41] <lifestream> lucax,  have you refreshed  the list? I got intrepid and all repos enabled, and i got ubuntu restricted extras
[19:41] <nekostar> TimS what kernel?
[19:41] <TimS> nekostar: The one in 8.10
[19:41] <psusi> Sephr: have you tried disconnecting the disks and booting the livecd?
[19:41] <alessio> ciao
[19:41] <nekostar> TimS make sure that after u got the 810 in it's fully updated. there's versions of 2.6.27-7
[19:41] <alessio> !list
[19:42] <nekostar> a new one came out this morning apparently
[19:42] <robtp> could anyone guess why ubuntu (8.10) is misdetecting my external monitor's resolution, and also why it always has an extra "unknown" screen?
[19:42] <lucax> lifestream: i maight done something wrong then, thanks a lot
[19:42] <Sephr> psusi» no, but I will try
[19:42] <Myoukochou> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.10, and php-cgi now segfaults.
[19:42] <Myoukochou> Obviously, this means my webserver is down.
[19:42] <TimS> nekostar: I've booted into an old kernel, so I should be able to do some more updates from here
[19:42] <nekostar> TimS sure
[19:42] <Ax3> avarus, installation complete, rebooting
[19:43] <NorthByNorthWest> GibbaTheHutt: thnx! but I still need to start nvidia-settings through the terminal by 'sudo nvidia-settings'?
[19:43] <Myoukochou> Oct 30 19:41:38 yuki kernel: [  595.393720] php-cgi[5926]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0765df0149 sp 00007fff70846750 error 4 in libc-2.8.90.so[7f0765d85000+169000]
[19:43] <trimeta> Is there any support for the ThinkPad HDAP hard drive parking thing in Ibex? Or do I need to wait for the 2.6.28 kernel to come out, which allegedly has everything built in?
[19:43] <GibbaTheHutt> NorthByNorthWest, yes
[19:43] <Perropachon> hola
[19:43] <nekostar> ya know i really should ask
[19:43] <GibbaTheHutt> NorthByNorthWest, you could create a menu item if wanted I guess
[19:43] <JakeMon> how do i check what locale my system is set to right now?
[19:43] <zzorn> I just configured the wacom based stylus for my toshiba M700 tablet, seems to work ok, but now when I open preferences in Gimp whole X locks up and the caps lock light starts flashing.  Cant ctrl alt backspace or anything.  Any idea what could cause it?  (still running hardy)
[19:44] <Perropachon> he actualizado a intrepid ibex y me dio un error
[19:44] <nekostar> Sephr how could 3 lines take up your whole screen.. do you have like 640x480 resolution or something?
[19:44] <nekostar> because i open my gnome terminal and irssi in default size and it's not close
[19:44] <nekostar> nor is it in my xchat
[19:44] <Ax3> !spanish
[19:44] <nekostar> lmfao
[19:44] <NorthByNorthWest> GibbaTheHutt: okidoki!
[19:44] <Sephr> nekostar» when did I say it took up my whole screen? it's 1920x1200 btw
[19:44] <Hentay> !video
[19:44] <Gun_Smoke> trimeta, www.thinkwiki.org/wiki.thinkwiki
[19:44] <not_jrib> nekostar: drop it please
[19:45] <Gun_Smoke> trimeta, err.. sorry it's http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[19:45] <Hentay> can someone offer video editor?
[19:45] <Spherous> I did the update via the Update Manager.  It hung on cleaning obsoulete files. but now its asking me to delete all 544 files on my pc.  Including Xorg, Xserver, all libs, EVERYTHING.  Should I hit clean and it updates them all? or do I press keep?
[19:45] <r3z> Anyone have a guide to upgrade from 7.10 to 8.10?
[19:45] <Hentay> which is good
[19:45] <r3z> from console?
[19:45] <not_jrib> Hentay: avidemux, pitivi, kino
[19:45] <trimeta> Gun_Smoke: Thanks.
[19:45] <not_jrib> !upgrade > r3z
[19:46] <r3z> Thanks.
[19:46] <ais523> !upgrade > ais523
[19:46] <Hentay> not_jrib,  and wgich is good?
[19:46] <dug_> Hentay: there is kdenlive and some others
[19:46] <ransom> i know that updating the linux kernel will kill third party drivers, but will installing 'linux headers' do the same?
[19:46] <Hentay> thanks i'll try
[19:46] <not_jrib> Hentay: I don't do much editing.  Just try them all, pick one you like, and remove the others.  Easy to do with APT :)
[19:46] <paul68> how can I repair my menu.list?
[19:46] <velko> ransom, no
[19:47] <Hentay> not_jrib,  yes, apt rulez :)
[19:47] <ransom> velko: thank you!
[19:47] <nekostar> hm rite was velko
[19:47] <nekostar> lol
[19:47] <Thayle> How big should I make the partition for Intrepid? I was thinking of giving it 20gb? I have about up to 70gb free that could potentially be devoted to it.
[19:47] <RobertAlblas> paul, depending on your operating systems installed
[19:47] <avarus> Thayle, 70
[19:47] <Myoukochou> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... um...
[19:48] <paul68> well i have vista en ubuntu
[19:48] <trimeta> Thayle: Depends how much data you plan on having. You probably won't use more than 20 GB of software, unless you go really crazy with it.
[19:48] <KaiForce> where can I adjust the screen brightness?
[19:48] <nekostar> mynous try running apt-get update again
[19:48] <nekostar> Myoukochou rather
[19:48] <almostdvs> Thayle: how big is your hdd, do you use anything windows specific that would need certain files to be put on that partition?
[19:48] <Thayle> Well if it eventually becomes my main OS (which it probably will), I might end up having a lot of stuff
[19:48] <Niek> why can't I upgrade to teh new ubuntu ? I already thought I was missing updates, but Update-Manager isn't saying anything to me, and when I start teh update manager from commandline with -p, it isn't evn coming with teh dist upgrade offer
[19:49] <Thayle> almostdvs: I have a 320gb hdd. Vista's on it currently
[19:49] <Spherous> I did the update via the Update Manager.  It hung on cleaning obsoulete files. but now its asking me to delete all 544 files on my pc.  Including Xorg, Xserver, all libs, EVERYTHING.  Should I hit clean and it updates them all? or do I press keep?
[19:49] <dug_> Niek: update-manager -d
[19:49] <Ax3> avarus, it looks good, restarted, virtual machine started right up
[19:49] <DoYouKnow> hi
[19:49] <almostdvs> Thayle: what about mp3 player or anything
[19:49] <Ax3> avarus, again this is the i386 .iso i have tested, not amd64.iso
[19:49] <avarus> Ax3, ya, got that :)
[19:49] <Niek> dug_: Yes, that worked :)
[19:50] <gospodin_horoshi> hey guys, has anyone worked with mailx?
[19:50] <floatingman> whois nekostar
[19:50] <Thayle> almostdvs: I don't have an mp3 player.
[19:50] <DoYouKnow> I'm having some trouble with my webcam. on some installations of ubuntu I've been able to get it working. it's a quickcam pro 9000.
[19:50] <cygoku> What is the official url to get the dvd version of Intrepid ?!?!
[19:50] <avarus> Ax3, I'm just downloading via transmission...300 mb already...
[19:50] <avarus> Ax3, pray for me :)
[19:50] <tonyyarusso> gospodin_horoshi: You'll likely need to define "worked with".
[19:50] <almostdvs> Thayle: do you plan on getting one?
[19:50] <DoYouKnow> now there is just test colors, and white fuzz
[19:51] <Thayle> almostdvs: Probably
[19:51] <avarus> I'm leeching it with 1.2Mbyte/sec
[19:51] <DoYouKnow> a test pattern
[19:51] <jescutie> Hey! My friend's band, Circumstance, just released a free album called Breakfast Champion. You can download it here: http://dudesweat.sweatparty.com/?p=737 If you listen to it and like it, tell me what you think? Please?
[19:52] <not_jrib> !ops | jescutie
[19:52] <nekostar> floatingman u forgot the /
[19:53] <reiki_> somehow I expected this channel to be scrolling so fast it would be nearly unreadable :)
[19:53] <amerinese> does anyone else have problems using flash in 8.04 inside firefox?  it works at first, but after the browser has been open for awhile, it inevitably stops working and takes a browser restart (and closing all sessions) before it works again
[19:53] <cygoku> What is the official url to get the dvd version of Intrepid ?!?!
[19:53] <nekostar> reiki_ if that starts happening turn off joins/parts
[19:53] <not_jrib> amerinese: what arch?
[19:53] <Spherous> I did the update via the Update Manager.  It hung on cleaning obsolete files. but now its asking me to delete all 544 files on my pc.  Including Xorg, Xserver, all libs, EVERYTHING.  Should I hit clean and it updates them all? or do I press keep?
[19:53] <Thayle> almostdvs: I'll probably get an mp3 player eventually. What do you recommend then?
[19:53] <almostdvs> Thayle: if you plan on getting an ipod or something that definitely works with linux i would say keep vista around 40gb, but if you'll definitely need your media files on vista, dedicate about 10gbs larger than the device to windows
[19:53] <Daisuke_Ido> erm, what exactly is "unix_stream_data_wait"?
[19:53] <amerinese> not_jrib: x64
[19:53] <mker> amerinese: had that problem with hardy amd64, haven't installed flash on intrepid yet though.
[19:53] <dug_> amerinese: i haven't had any issues, but i've heard others who have.  maybe it depends on what flash stuff you are using
[19:53] <sfears> if i remove the NetworkManager.conf & knetworkmanager.conf files from /etc/dbus-1/system.d my issue goes away but then knetworkmanager doesn't start on boot up and i can't connect to any wireless networks!
[19:54] <HellMind> I'm trying to netboot ubuntu to install it, the netboot server is my windows xp, how can I do this?
[19:54] <not_jrib> amerinese: that's nspluginwrapper crashing.  Apparently, it's supposed to restart on its own in 8.10 if you want to upgrade and try
[19:54] <Thayle> almostdvs: Alright, thanks almostdvs!
[19:54] <cousteau> see? now MD5s match
[19:54] <Juanelone> cygoku: http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/ubuntu/hardy/release/
[19:54] <mker> amerinese: My "solution" was to use Epiphany for flash, it seemed to crash less often.
[19:55] <HellMind> I should set up an tftp server?
[19:55] <evan_> hey is it normal for twinview that i cant start firefox in both screens?
[19:55] <almostdvs> Thayle: for example, I have and really like the zune 80gb, so i have almost 100gb for windows, and keep in mind that after formatting you have less space than what is said
[19:55] <cygoku> juanelone : this is for Hardy, not Intrepid !
[19:55] <amerinese> hmm, ok, so i guess... i'm uneasy about upgrading because i have dual-monitors, but we'll see
[19:55] <Juanelone> omg there is no 8.10
[19:55] <LordMetroid> What is the "Ubuntu Studio desktop (must install)" option at the software selection dialog?
[19:55] <Thayle> Next question, Should I install the 32-bit or 64-bit version? I was thinking I should since I have 4GB of RAM, but I dunno.
[19:56] <Daisuke_Ido> seems like the only results i get are for kernel 2.3 and 2.4, i think there was a single 2.6 issue, but what's happening is: gnome-session is taking a massive amount of cpu time, and all apps i try to launch get stuck, and in gnome's system monitor, it lists their status as 'unix_stream_data_wait'
[19:56] <almostdvs> Thayle: 64 all the way
[19:56] <not_jrib> amerinese: test out a live cd first.  But I imagine you should be fine.  X is newer and better :)
[19:56] <nspyr> Thayle: 64 is fine for me
[19:56] <Tundrayeti312> Thayle: What does RAM have to do w/ it?
[19:56] <Daisuke_Ido> seems like a pretty bad thing to have happening :\
[19:56] <Spherous> I did the update via the Update Manager.  It hung on cleaning obsolete files. but now its asking me to delete all 544 files on my pc.  Including Xorg, Xserver, all libs, EVERYTHING.  Should I hit clean and it updates them all? or do I press keep?
[19:56] <mker> Thayle: if you have 4gb+ ram go with 64
[19:56] <almostdvs> Tundrayeti312: 32 bit systems can only utilize around 3gb of ram
[19:56] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll try to update, maybe it's fixed in final :\
[19:56] <jimmio> Thayle: That's only a Win32 issue you're thinking of... Ram has nothing to do with it.
[19:57] <LordMetroid> Tundrayeti312, 32Bit can only hold roughly 3GiBi addresses
[19:57] <jimmio> Oh, that's just 32 bit in general?
[19:57] <phranklin08> exit
[19:57] <Myoukochou> It's OK, I fixed the segfault.
[19:57] <Codemaster> hey guys, when i run apt-get it launches awn.... i'm a bit confused by this
[19:57] <Myoukochou> php5-xcache currently doesn't work.
[19:57] <psusi> LordMetroid: that's virtual memory, per process.... the total system can use up to 64 gb of physical ram
[19:58] <Wavesonics> the minimum size for my boot partition is 31 GB!
[19:58] <avarus> jimmio, you can even workaround that in winDOS, not possible anymore in WinNT, so does Linux on 32bit :)
[19:58] <not_jrib> Codemaster: what does 'which apt-get' return?
[19:58] <Thayle> Alright cool! So 64-bit it is!
[19:58] <Codemaster> and my aptitude has an error, mentioning it had an invalid ELF header when trying to load libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6
[19:58] <almostdvs> Thayle: remember you have 64 when installing things not in the repositories
[19:58] <Newbie> I think I found a bug on Hardy Heron
[19:58] <Codemaster> not_jrib: /usr/bin/apt-get
[19:58] <NicEXE> how can I take a backup of my ext3 partition using Ubuntu live CD? (manually copy the files does not work... access denied on some files/folders)
[19:58] <Wavesonics> why can't I size my /boot partition to less the 1% of my total space? I'm wasting tons of disk space on this thing!
[19:58] <not_jrib> Codemaster: and: readlink -f $(which apt-get)         ?
[19:59] <gyven> NicEXE: Google diskdruid
[19:59] <Codemaster> not_jrib: same thing - /usr/bin/apt-get
[19:59] <Flannel> Wavesonics: How big is 1%?
[19:59] <psusi> Thayle: I prefer 64 bit myself, but 32 bit will use 4 gb of ram just fine
[19:59] <Wavesonics> ~35 GB
[19:59] <LordMetroid> What is the difference between "Ubuntu Studio desktop (must install)" and "Ubunut Desktop"?
[19:59] <not_jrib> Codemaster: does apt-get still run and awn is launched as a side effect or does apt-get not run at all?
[19:59] <Petrov> i have a problem: buffer i/0 error on device sr0 anyone a idea?
[19:59] <Spherous> I did the update via the Update Manager.  It hung on cleaning obsolete files. but now its asking me to delete all 544 files on my pc.  Including Xorg, Xserver, all libs, EVERYTHING.  Should I hit clean and it updates them all? or do I press keep?
[19:59] <Myoukochou> Flannel: Interesting point. 1% of a 1000GB disk is still 10GB, which is a little big for a /boot.
[19:59] <Codemaster> not_jrib: doesn't run at all
 ~35 GB
[19:59] <Daisuke-Ido> alrighty then
[19:59] <Codemaster> currently sort of boned and annoyed
[19:59] <Thayle> psusi: Well my laptop has 4gb but apparently it can be upgraded to 8gb, so if I decide to do that it would be better to have 64-bit right?
[19:59] <dekkong> !bash
[20:00] <Flannel> Myoukochou: there shouldn't be any sort of percentage limitation.
[20:00] <DeathWolf> -!- No results found
[20:00] <dnb1997> can someone link me to wubi for 8.10 if its out?
[20:00] <Daisuke-Ido> finally on the desktop where i can take a look at this gnome-session problem
[20:00] <not_jrib> Spherous: you should pastebin the exact output in full
[20:00] <Myoukochou> Well, there wasn't for me, true...
[20:00] <Flannel> Daisuke-Ido: You just need to download the desktop CD
[20:00] <Flannel> Wavesonics: Are you using the alternate CD? DEsktop CD? what?
[20:00] <Spherous> not_jrib I can't, it only lets me select one of the apps at a time
[20:00] <Wavesonics> Flannel: Server CD
[20:00] <Daisuke-Ido> Flannel: how does that make a difference when i'm already using intrepid?
[20:00] <psusi> Thayle: not really... unless you want one process to be able to use more than 3gb, like if you are going to be editing 5 gig image files ;)
[20:00] <Newbie> Once I go on the wireless network, the internet slows down and sometimes it goes out.
[20:00] <Flannel> Daisuke-Ido: How doeswhat make a difference?
[20:00] <Newbie> I think I found a bug on Hardy Heron
[20:01] <Newbie> Once I go on the wireless network, the internet slows down and sometimes it goes out.
[20:01] <segphault> has anyone here been able to get ubuntu boot on a thinkpad with aUSB
[20:01] <Codemaster> not_jrib: any idea[s]? :(
[20:01] <Daisuke-Ido> sorry if i missed anything between the original question and now, moved from the laptop to the desktop (which is running intrepid already)
[20:01] <Spherous> not_jrib: It is just a list of everything on my pc. like I said, EVERYTHING. all apps, all libs, x,
[20:01] <not_jrib> Spherous: you definitely don't want to remove everything as that is going to leave you with a pretty broken system
[20:01] <Flannel> Wavesonics: Er, Doing manual partitioning?  It should ask you for a size in MB, etc, not a percentage.
[20:01] <Newbie> I dont use launchpad
[20:01] <ais523> Newbie: that happens to me too, but I always assumed it was the connection, not the computer
[20:01] <Daisuke-Ido> well, got a kernel update and some other things, i'm going to restart and see what i can see
[20:01] <kuse> How do I add the NetworkManager applet to a panel, cant find it in the applets list?
[20:01] <Spherous> not_jrib: Yeah, I thought if I pressed remove it would update it all to 8.10 compliant software
[20:01] <lynux> irc.oltreirc.net
[20:01] <Flannel> Daisuke-Ido: Oh, sorry.  I wasn't trying to reply to you.
[20:01] <Newbie> thanks ais523
[20:01] <Gun_Smoke> segphault, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
[20:01] <gyven> NiceEXE: dd if=/dev/foo of=mytestfile.out -- many more options to this - man dd or google for full conversion options, etc. -- make sure your hard drive is not mounted when you do this. You will need to create the image on another drive or external disk.
[20:01] <jimmio> Newbie: That's not necessarily a bug... may just be an incompatibility with your Wireless card...
[20:02] <Newbie> oh
[20:02] <Daisuke-Ido> maybe not, or at least not in the standard way...  the shutdown dialog appears, but is entirely blank :\
[20:02] <InvisibleSun> how can I upgrade from the release candidate to the full version of intrepid Ibex?
[20:02] <LordMetroid> Ohh... no one knows what this "Ubuntu Studio desktop (must intall) is at the software selection doalog during the installation?
[20:02] <LordMetroid> !Ubuntu studio desktop
[20:02] <yowshi> holy crapshot way bogged down server getting less then 25 kb/s to get the image
[20:02] <Flannel> dnb1997: You just need to download the 8.10 Desktop CD
[20:02] <LordMetroid> !studio
[20:02] <not_jrib> Codemaster: compare md5sum of your apt-get binary with someone on a similar system.  Or just download the package that provides apt-get from packages.ubuntu.com and reinstall it using dpkg
[20:02]  * Codemaster grumbles.
[20:02] <Codemaster> not_jrib: that might work.
[20:02] <Codemaster> thanks
[20:02] <LordMetroid> !desktop
[20:02] <jimmio> InvisibleSun: update-manager -d
[20:03] <Flannel> yowshi: Use torrents
[20:03] <DASPRiD> did anyone found a solution for this yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkeys/+bug/290561
[20:03]  * Codemaster will re-download apt-get from packages
[20:03] <InvisibleSun> allright, thanks will try
[20:03] <amias> anyone got a motorolla dc800 bluetooth audio reciever working with intrepid ?
[20:03] <jimmio> InvisibleSun: sudo update-manager -d    Sorry... some people don't know to use sudo =P
[20:03] <Thayle> Is there anything special I'm going to need to do because I have an Nvidia 9200 or will I be fine?
[20:04] <jimmio> Thayle: You'll need to install the driver, but it's very very simple, done graphically
[20:04] <donithegreat> hi
[20:04] <not_jrib> Codemaster: does running awn start apt-get?  maybe someone played a joke on you
[20:04] <InvisibleSun> @jimmio : I already made a shortcut with -d on the desktop so that's allright :d
[20:04] <donithegreat> can anyone see me?
[20:04] <reiki_> no
[20:04] <euxneks> donithegreat, no.
[20:04] <not_jrib> donithegreat: I can't see you, but I can read what you type.
[20:04] <donithegreat> :)
[20:04] <Codemaster> not_jrib: no one has had access to this
[20:05] <Codemaster> i think my fsck just messed things up, that's all
[20:05] <dnb1997> Flannel: and then what?
[20:05] <not_jrib> Codemaster: ah, yeah that sounds like it could do it.  I'd be wary of what else it messed up though
[20:05] <Flannel> dnb1997: Then pop in the CD while you're running windows
[20:05] <dnb1997> ah ok
[20:05] <jimmio> InvisibleSun: You can set in software sources under the updates tab to enable distro upgrade on all upgrades btw, so that shortcut isn't needed
[20:05] <Codemaster> not_jrib: lovely; any idea to check maybe? also, what package is apt-get in?
[20:06] <Thayle> Does anyone know whether or not the Intel 5100AGN wireless card works in intrepid?
[20:06] <cygoku> What is the official url to get the dvd version of Intrepid ?!?!
[20:06] <donithegreat> hi am new to ubuntu!i dont know how to instal firefox version 3.03.i have downloaded the file tar gz i mean i have extracted it but i dont know what to do withit.can anyone help me?
[20:06]  * cyphase has noticed that, after every Ubuntu release, the average number of people in #ubuntu goes up
[20:06] <cyphase> not just in the days after the release
[20:06] <r3z> heh
[20:06] <trimeta> donithegreat: Ubuntu should already have Firefox 3.0.3 installed.
[20:06] <Yimpolo> donithegreat: use apt-get
[20:06] <InvisibleSun> apparently there is no update available when I use update-manager -d, and I did make the change in software sources, I suppose It automatically updated from RC to full version
[20:07] <donithegreat> tritrimeta mine has  a firefox 3 beta 5
[20:07] <not_jrib> InvisibleSun: it is true that you are updated from RC to final automatically with update-manager.  I'm not sure what change to sources you are talking about though
[20:07] <cyphase> donithegreat: you installed Hardy, 8.04
[20:07] <Codemaster> donithegreat: I'd recommend using a program called called "Synaptic" (i think you can access it via System > Administration). You can search for various software in that.
[20:07] <cyphase> donithegreat: Intrepid, 8.10 is out
[20:07] <jimmio> donithegreat: It's already installed...? and you use Apt-Get for installs... System>Administration>Synaptic Package Manager is the GUI version.
[20:07] <trimeta> donithegreat: Try doing "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
[20:07] <gnu> salut
[20:08] <cyphase> donithegreat: you should install 8.10
[20:08] <trimeta> That should bring everything up to date.
[20:08] <epifanio> hi, i've installed right now ubuntu on my desktop ... can you point me on how to check which driver video need i to install ?
[20:08] <compton> how do I enable the built in remote desktop (vnc) in ubuntu from ssh?
[20:08] <epifanio> how to detect my card name (i know it is nvidea) ... i'm lloking on how to install the "propietary drivers"
[20:08] <jimmio> cyphase: At least tell him to look at the bugs first o.O
[20:08] <not_jrib> epifanio: system -> administration -> hardware
[20:08] <Codemaster> compton: i had to do something with gconf2tool or something
[20:08] <cyphase> jimmio: ?
[20:08] <Codemaster> compton: basically enabling it by force, per-say :]
[20:08] <compton> Codemaster, thanks, do you have logs you could search for it?
[20:08] <InvisibleSun> @ not_jrib : the software sources change to automatically download standard versions instead of longtime support versions
[20:08] <donithegreat> cyphase the thing is i wanns learn how to install programs on ubuntu,firefox isnt the problem
[20:08] <pr0fane> I have 2GB of ram, how big should be swap partition?
[20:08] <Daisuke_Ido> as usual, a reboot fixed the problem, but this is absolutely ridiculous :\
[20:09] <Codemaster> compton: nope, sorry
[20:09] <philippe_> Hi. I often experience visual bug in my top software bar. It was present in 8.04 and yet it still there in 8.10. Is there any way to correct this? Here what it look --> http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/6742/desktopje2.jpg
[20:09] <not_jrib> !software | donithegreat
[20:09] <Yimpolo> donithegreat: type sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:09] <psusi> pr0fane: preferably, 2 gb
[20:09] <Yimpolo> It will install the latest version
[20:09] <jimmio> cyphase: There's some bugs in 8.10... causing a few key issues... as in not detecting SATA (scsi) drives on a certain Intel main board...?
[20:09] <pr0fane> ok thx
[20:09] <Codemaster> compton: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=266981
[20:09] <jacekowski> pr0fane: 0
[20:09] <jacekowski> pr0fane: i have 1G of ram and no swap at all
[20:10] <NicEXE> how can I take a backup of my ext3 partition using Ubuntu live CD? (manually copy the files does not work... access denied on some files/folders)
[20:10] <pr0fane> What is good about having a swap partition?
[20:10] <compton> Codemaster, thank you
[20:10] <Codemaster> anytime
[20:10] <psusi> jacekowski: you'll have a hard time hibernating without swap ;)
[20:10] <Daisuke_Ido> oh, i ran strace -p on the gnome-session process, and it was literally walls of text about too many open files :\
[20:10] <compton> nicexe: as root?
[20:10] <jacekowski> psusi: only suspend
[20:10] <donithegreat> well i have another question too
[20:10] <pr0fane> ok thx
[20:10] <jacekowski> pr0fane: linux uses swap in case there is not enough memory
[20:10] <NicEXE> I can't be root if I am using live CD
[20:10] <compton> NicEXE, try sudo before the copy command
[20:11] <jacekowski> pr0fane: it's like pagefile on windows
[20:11] <cabrioleur> NicEXE, man dd
[20:11] <donithegreat> i have installed ubuntu from window .does that affects it's perfomance?
[20:11] <cabrioleur> donithegreat, yes.
[20:11] <Pyrophelia> no it doesn't
[20:11] <Yimpolo> Installed it from Windows?
[20:12] <Yimpolo> I don't see how that would make any difference
[20:12] <cabrioleur> HD access times.
[20:12] <donithegreat> yes i have installed it from windows on a ntfs format disc drive
[20:12] <pr0fane> the setup of ubuntu 8.10 asks me about installation size
[20:12] <pr0fane> what is installation size and how big should it be
[20:12] <jacekowski> psusi: i've been using linux now for over eight years
[20:12] <elamsusa> Hi, anyone here have experience d/l Ubuntu 8.10 on a Mac, burning a disk, and running it in VMware?
[20:12] <Codemaster> jrib: reinstalling the package seems to have helped, thanks
[20:12] <cdickerson> wow, I dont think ive ever seen a larger irc channel </captainobvious?
[20:12] <Daisuke_Ido> donithegreat: it's going to be a little slower, but nothing truly drastic, i would imagine
[20:13] <cdickerson> elamsusa: you dont need to burn a disk you can install from the DL'ed iso
[20:13] <pr0fane> 8.10 setup asks me about installatin size
[20:13] <jacekowski> psusi: and from my experience swap on desktop with more than 1G memory is unused for 99% of time
[20:13] <cdickerson> elamsusa: ubuntu is even an option in fusion for th type of linux you want
[20:13] <pr0fane> how big should it be?
[20:13] <elamsusa> vm didn't recognize the d/l
[20:13] <_biker_geek_> elamsusa: You shouldn't have to burn a disk.  You can mount the ISO from the VMWare admin.
[20:13] <cdickerson> anyone running on a mac book pro and have clamshell mode working?
[20:14] <elamsusa> I downloaded the files, but how do I turn it inot a iso?
[20:14] <donithegreat> i hate linux, sudo apt-get install firefox this command is still on 0% after 10 minitues whats the problem?
[20:14] <avarus> not linux
[20:14] <cdickerson> elamsusa: didnt you DL an iso?
[20:14] <EASYxTARGET> don, the servers are pretty stressed right now
[20:14] <_biker_geek_> elamsusa:  The files that you downloaded aren't an ISO?
[20:14] <elamsusa> linux is great! it just isn't behaving for me right now
[20:14] <Yimpolo> donithegreat, are you on linux right now?
[20:14] <jgoguen> pr0fane: depends on whether you'll use it for hibernation...I have 2GB RAM and I set my swap to 2GB...some people report that much less, or none, works fine for them but I've noticed performance problems with no swap
[20:14] <cdickerson> donithegreat: id imagine because fo 8.10 coming out the servers is hammered.
[20:14] <jacekowski> psusi: it is usefull on servers in case of memleak because then it waste disk space instead of memory
[20:14] <Daisuke_Ido> donithegreat: nice way to associate unrelated things - this is a new release day, the servers are extremely slow at the moment
[20:15] <_biker_geek_> cdickerson:  Sorry... hehe... I'm not trying to repeat your messages.  You type faster than I do. :)
[20:15] <elamsusa> I went to download an Ubuntu CD
[20:15] <cdickerson> _biker_geek_: no worries :)
[20:15] <cdickerson> elamsusa: what are 'the files' then.
[20:15] <cygoku> What is the official url to get the dvd version of Intrepid ?!?!
[20:15] <Yimpolo> I installed 8.10 earlier this morning.... Yay!
[20:15] <pr0fane> ok I vill make a 2GB swap partition
[20:15] <pr0fane> but what is installation size in ubuntu 8.10 setup
[20:15] <methylate1> How to upgrade from hardy to intrepid?
[20:16] <pr0fane> i will put a size that i will like?
[20:16] <XThief> Did the final version of 8.10 change anything from the Release Candidate?
[20:16] <paul68> back how do I add the vista boot back to my menu.lst
[20:16] <jacekowski> pr0fane: if you doesn't want to use suspend to disk you don't need swap at all
[20:16] <jgoguen> cygoku: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[20:16] <cdickerson> methylate1: wait for the rush to die down, if you upgrade stalls you will have loads of trouble
[20:16] <pr0fane> i use suspend to disk sometimesd
[20:16] <avarus> Ax3, f9cdb7e9ad85263dde17f8fc81a6305b  ubuntu-8.10-desktop-amd64.iso <.. from bittorrent...I'm going to burn this shit now and try it again :)
[20:16] <dulak> At least once a week someone in here advises not to run with swap, which is simply retarded as a default policy.  Swaps is useful in so many situations it's simply stupid to run without it just on the off chance you won't need it.
[20:16] <jgoguen> pr0fane: then you will want at least as much swap as you have RAM
[20:17] <elamsusa> auotrun.inf, md5sum.txt, umenu.exe., wubi.exe,  and folders named casper, dists, install, isolinux, pics, pool, preseed, Ubuntu 8.10 i386
[20:17] <dulak> It's bad advice.
[20:17] <pr0fane> but please help me about installation size in ubuntu 8.10 setup
[20:17] <mtozses_> hi
[20:17] <lbci> network manager not seeing wireless option on reboot... if i deactivate reactivate atheros and leftclick on NM icon it logs in fine, just dont like doing it every reboot?
[20:17] <mtozses_> 00:05.0 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Unknown device 1038 (rev 62) <--- does this look okay?
[20:17] <jacekowski> dulak: no it isn't
[20:17] <methylate1> cdickerson: OK, thank you
[20:17] <Ax3> that's what I got too avarus, both times in fact
[20:17] <reiki_> I have 4 gigs of RAM... I have 1 gig of swap... swap hasn't been touched in all the time I've had Hardy running
[20:18] <allele> ubuntu is showing me two processors in my system monitor, which vista never did, so does this mean up until now I was never using my processors to their full potential?
[20:18] <Gnea> reiki_: you'd have to run a lot of programs to make that happen :)
[20:18] <dulak> jacekowski: yes it is, it's horrible advice given by people with rigid thinking who refuse to understand that not everyone has the same usage patterns they do.
[20:18] <cdickerson> methylate1: did you see that guy saying hes trying to get firefox and its at 0% after 10 min. that will be you for HOURS. wait a week and it should speed up. :)
[20:18] <Codemaster> thanks for your help
[20:18] <Codemaster> going to upgrade to intrepid now 8)
[20:18] <avarus> allele, it's probably a p4?
[20:18] <dulak> jacekowski: running without swap is the exception, not the rule
[20:18] <pr0fane> can someone help me
[20:18] <allele> no amd turion 64x2
[20:18] <cabrioleur> allele, no, not you have a separated view on their performance.
[20:18] <Gnea> pr0fane: with?
[20:18] <Ax3> reiki_, 4G of RAM, you don't even need swap lol
[20:18] <reiki_> Gnea: I have... on all 4 desktop spaces... about 20 or 30 things running. It just doesn't seem to need swap for teh stuff I do.... and that can be different for different people I'm sure
[20:18] <avarus> allele, mmh...then yes :)
[20:19] <ianliu_88> is this chat for hardy or intrepid?
[20:19] <cabrioleur> allele, it has nothing to do with the usage of them.
[20:19] <pr0fane> im installing ubuntu 8.10 ..how big should be installation sizze
[20:19] <DasEi1> prOfane: you need (least and about) 10 gig
[20:19] <Ax3> reiki_, unless you're using some real memory intense applications
[20:19] <Gnea> reiki_: nice
[20:19] <vbabiy> Are we going to get Open Office 3 on Ubuntu 8.10 or is going to have to wait till 9.04
[20:19] <DasEi1> pr0fane: you need (least and about) 10 gig
[20:19] <Yasumoto> ianliu_88: both, though I'm sure the focus is on Intrepid since it was released today
[20:19] <allele> alright, well since it has amd in the processor name should I switch from the i386 ubuntu to the x64?
[20:19] <Gnea> !install | pr0fane
[20:19] <dulak> jacekowski: you should not be advising anyone new to linux to run without swap, it's something they can decide after they understand linux better, not when they are new
[20:19] <lucax> i only can find packages in the terminal with sudo apt-get install but cant in synaptic... whats wrong?
[20:19] <Thayle> Alright guys! I am off to install 8.10! Hopefully the next time I talk to you it will be on UBUNTU!!!
[20:19] <jacekowski> dulak: so if somebody have 4G of ram
[20:19] <Gnea> pr0fane: check that first URL that ubottu gave you, it's very helpful
[20:20] <jacekowski> dulak: how large swap should be then
[20:20] <dulak> jacekowski: I would still advise 1g of swap minimum
[20:20] <RobertAlblas> Paul68, is het gelukt?
[20:20] <avarus> I agree with dulak
[20:20] <PassionFRUI7E> Is there a way to remove items from GRUB?
[20:20] <Yasumoto> vbabiy: there might be a backport later on, though you can always install it on your own (you just won't have the advantage of auto-updates and such)
[20:20] <askand> Ok, I am a newbie with nvidia cards..I am given the choice to install version 173 or 177, what should I choose?
[20:20] <sevenseeker> I am getting a 'Exec format error' with a init script, verbose is not helping gain more information.  Googling hasn't revealed much either.
[20:20] <askand> Ive got a nVidia Corporation GeForce 6150SE
[20:20] <avarus> Ax3, I'm trying it, brb :P
[20:20] <vbabiy> Yasumoto: yeah that is what I was looking for
[20:20] <jacekowski> dulak: WHY?
[20:20] <Yasumoto> PassionFRUI7E: gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:20] <reiki_> I usually clear out a partition, install clean.... make sure it works... and then transfer stuff over to a new install.
[20:20] <Yasumoto> vbabiy: to download it yourself?
[20:21] <DasEi1> Gnea:though I'll keep on hardy for some time, is it planned to use this channel for ibex ?
[20:21] <jimmio> askand: I'm pretty sure they both support that card... I'd go with the older one though, as that is a pretty dated card.
[20:21] <jacekowski> dulak: and show me your free -m
[20:21] <ianliu_88> Intrepid has OpenOffice 3?
[20:21] <Gnea> DasEi1: yes, and we will be supporting hardy for awhile (i'm still running hardy :) )
[20:21] <ais523> Gnea: quite a while, given that it's LTS
[20:21] <rgreening> ianliu_88: no
[20:21] <paul68> RobertAlblas: ik ben mijn vista menu kwijt
[20:21] <PassionFRUI7E> Yasumoto:  Thanks, perfect.
[20:21] <Gnea> ais523: yup
[20:21] <askand> jimmio: Do you think I will have better performance using the older driver?
[20:21] <DasEi1> Gnea:is there a date for the change ?
[20:21] <dulak> jacekowski: you can give me one reason why running without swap is a good idea, I can list a dozen situations where swap will help, and keep a noob from screwing himself.
[20:22] <Gnea> DasEi1: on the website
[20:22] <vbabiy> Yasumoto: to have full Ubuntu support
[20:22] <tarelerulz> I am think about moving  my home directory to different partition .  I was wondering how much space dose the rest of Ubuntu really need to be ?  I want to keep all my docs , songs , movies , compiled program and so on
[20:22] <jimmio> askand: It shouldn't matter either way.... I'd stick to the older one to be on the safe side though.
[20:22] <lbci> network manager not seeing wireless option on reboot... if i deactivate reactivate atheros and leftclick on NM icon it logs in fine. Any ideas?
[20:22] <DasEi1> Gnea:nice, but might be little hyped now, lol, thx
[20:22] <velko> tarelerulz, 3-4 gb maximum
[20:22] <sYskk> is it easy to pass from ubuntu to kubuntu or do you need a format ?
[20:22] <unitedpotsmokers> hello... im using hardy heron now, but i heard ubuntu 8.10 coming out, how to upgrade my system?
[20:22] <Gnea> DasEi1: sorry, http://ubuntu.com/support specifically
[20:22] <pr0fane> Is it a good idea to install ubuntu 8.10 inside windows
[20:22] <psusi> jacekowski: it's useful on servers so they can still load a gui desktop but when it's idle for days and weeks, can be swapped out to free up ram ;)
[20:22] <PassionFRUI7E> pr0fane:  Waste of tme
[20:22] <Gnea> DasEi1: not really, we've got a lot of seeds in place now :)
[20:22] <dulak> jacekowski: I am not criticizing you running without swap, I'm criticizing you advising other people to do so without understanding the consequences
[20:23] <reiki_> dulak: even though I don't use swap... I still recommend anyone new using it at LEAST until tehy can be sure they don't need it. However I did find teh default swap sizes a bit outlandish
[20:23] <jacekowski> dulak: it saves disk space
[20:23] <pr0fane> what do u mean by that
[20:23] <PassionFRUI7E> pr0fane:  Defeats the purpose of linux
[20:23] <Gnea> pr0fane: depends on your needs
[20:23] <Gnea> PassionFRUI7E: no.
[20:23] <PassionFRUI7E> pr0fane:  If you want a trial run the desktop from the CD.
[20:23] <Gnea> pr0fane: if you're not used to it yet and want to get used to it, it's not a bad idea
[20:23] <pr0fane> disk performance is slightly reduced...
[20:23] <Gnea> !wubi | pr0fane
[20:23] <cygoku> What is the official url to get the DVD DVD DVD version of Intrepid ?!?!
[20:23] <jgoguen> cygoku: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[20:23] <avarus> what's a dvd dvd dvd?
[20:23] <Gnea> PassionFRUI7E: that's not necessary anymore.
[20:24] <pr0fane> im used to ubuntu
[20:24] <velko> cygoku, please stop! you overdo it really!
[20:24] <csilk> Anyone know of a way to backup up all your wifi configs?
[20:24] <tarelerulz>  velko ,is your system  set up like  the home on its own partition  and the rest /boot ,/bin ,/etc  taking up 4 gb ?
[20:24] <jimmio> pr0fane: It will be as slow as molasses especially if it's a single core PC (like mine D:)
[20:24] <Yasumoto> vbabiy: gotcha
[20:24] <Jeruvy> cygoku: you've been told, also read the topic :)
[20:24] <BleSS> how to grow up a directory? only temporary --it's necessary 1G on /var to upgrade it--
[20:24] <kuse> My nm-applet is missing from the notifying-area, even if i restaet nm-applet it wont appear, anyone knows how to fix it?
[20:24] <dulak> reiki: I agree, I wish the installer did a better job estimating a sane swap size, but better too much than not enough for someone new
[20:24] <pr0fane> installation will be slow or the os it self?
[20:24] <jacekowski> dulak: Mem:          2022       1842        179          0        143       1005 Swap:         8001          0       8000
[20:24] <csilk> Anyone know of a way to backup up all your wifi configs so they can easily be imported on another machine?
[20:24] <n0wje> using 8.10 and it's great no wow as fa as desktop  but stable.
[20:25] <velko> tarelerulz, root+home. no separate usr, var, boot, etc...
[20:25] <dulak> jacekowski: again, your specific situation is fine, I dont' care if you run without swap, but don't advise other people who don't understand it to do so
[20:25] <Gnea> BleSS: qparted can do it
[20:25] <n0wje> that would be far
[20:25] <Neeeewbee> Anyone know how to change from compiz to metacity on startup?
[20:25] <jgoguen> cygoku: there's no Ubuntu DVD, only a CD
[20:25] <pr0fane> installation will be slow or the os it self...(installing inside windows)
[20:25] <velko> tarelerulz, and i just looked up: my root partition is 4.1 gb
[20:25] <vbabiy> Yasumoto: thanks for your help
[20:25] <Chel> I have a problem, quite possibly complicated - do i write it here or can I speak to someone in pm?
[20:25] <reiki_> dulak: at one point a default install was giving me an 8GB swap when I had 4GB of memory.... weirdness.... :)
[20:25] <pr0fane> ?
[20:25] <csilk> Chel,  write here
[20:25] <velko> tarelerulz, i mean - 4.1 gb are used
[20:25] <ais523> Chel: write it in one line if you can, then people can talk it through with you over PM if they're interested
[20:25] <cygoku> Darn, what about ppl without blank CD handy huh ?!?!
[20:25] <reiki_> Chel: spit it out right here on the floor
[20:25] <juniecho> oh yeah!!!! somebody please say congratulations!! sucessfully nullified touchscreen input without damaging stylus pen!!!! hell yeah!!
[20:25] <Guest63357> Is there any difference between upgrading from the Internet or Upgrading from an alternative CD?
[20:26] <Chel> ais523 - okay, thanks
[20:26] <askand> jimmio: ok how often does nvidia drivers get out for linux?
[20:26] <jimmio> reiki: So? It can't hurt to have that much swap
[20:26] <jimmio> askand: You won't need to update.... for a LONG time
[20:26] <csilk> Anyone know of a way to backup up all your wifi configs so they can easily be imported on another machine?
[20:26] <juniecho> Gnea// are you there :)
[20:26] <jgoguen> cygoku: then burn the CD image to a blank DVD, and if you don't have one of those handy either then it doesn't matter which you get :)
[20:26] <askand> jimmio: = they does not release very often :(
[20:26] <pipegeek> I've been using  ubuntu since warty, and this was the first upgrade that went smoothly throughout, and resulted in a bootable, working system
[20:26] <NicEXE> every time I open the terminal my PC freezes... what's wrong?
[20:26] <pipegeek> with one caveat---network-manager seems to be disabled
[20:27] <pipegeek> my interface didn't come up on boot or login
[20:27] <NicEXE> it's really annoying
[20:27] <sevenseeker> can anyone help with my 'start-stop-daemon' problem (Exec format error)?
[20:27] <pipegeek> and there's no network manager icon in the system tray
[20:27] <pipegeek> any idea how to fix that?
[20:27] <jimmio> askand: = they're dropping support slowly with new drivers
[20:27] <Chel> question - I have a dedicated server in a distant location - fresh ubuntu server install. I want to run some programs under WINE, but they need the gui component, so I'm trying to set up VNC - though have failed massively after several attempts. I am ssh'ing into the box
[20:27] <askand> jimmio: :( I knew I should have bought an aticard
[20:28] <jimmio> askand: That card is ANCIENT...
[20:28] <Guest63357> Any difference between upgrading from Internet and upgrading using Alternative CD?
[20:28] <evan_> hey i messed up the userrights in my ubuntu system, will it be restored after upgrade to 8.10?
[20:28] <jimmio> askand: Well, ancient in today's terms =P I have a 6800...
[20:29] <askand> jimmio: that would explain the price.. you dont happen to know if I can have both an integrated card and a regular card and only using the latter?
[20:29] <TuxSympathiser> Guest63357, yes, upgrading from the internet means you download the packages whilst you upgrade whereas they install from the CD if you use the CD
[20:29] <whyz> hi all. I just upgraded to 8.10, and now network manager does not show in the notification bar. it doesn't show up if i run NetworkManager from console either
[20:29] <Neeeewbee> This is hilarious. Is there in documentation that explains how to switch from "Compiz" to "Metacity" on startup?