[01:30] <crimsun> cavediver: unless you use ubuntu-bp.sf.net, which is not recommended
[01:30] <xed> Its doing some crazy stuff crimsun
[01:31] <xed> and its done
[01:31] <crimsun> no errors, correct?
[01:31] <xed> Not that I can see, no.
[01:31] <crimsun> xed: cd ..
[01:31] <xed> alrighty
[01:31] <xed> done
[01:32] <crimsun> xed: `ls' should show you a .deb
[01:32] <xed> alsa-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386_1.0.7-2_i386.deb
[01:32] <xed> I also a directory
[01:32] <xed> alsa-driver
[01:33] <xed> ...?
[01:33] <crimsun> hmm, you're still running -3-
[01:33] <xed> ...?
[01:33] <crimsun> what cpu are you using again? p4?
[01:33] <xed> P4 with HT
[01:33] <xed> want speed?
[01:34] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install linux-image-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp
[01:34] <marjorie> why have they changed the names of those for ubuntu?
[01:34] <crimsun> marjorie: of what?
[01:35] <marjorie> kernel-source = linux-source no?
[01:35] <crimsun> marjorie: robert m. began it in november 2003
[01:35] <crimsun> marjorie: it was shifted as a packaging clarification
[01:35] <marjorie> debian just never caught up?
[01:36] <xed> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/193553
[01:36] <xed> Y?
[01:36] <marjorie> hm, im having aa weird problem where if u put a disk in a usb floppy it gets automounted again and again
[01:37] <crimsun> marjorie: Debian has not shifted [yet]
[01:37] <crimsun> xed: sec
[01:37] <xed> alrighty
[01:37] <crimsun> trying to speak to 8 different people is rather gruesome
[01:37] <marjorie> :)
[01:37] <xed> Aye, sorry =(
[01:38] <marjorie> im happy
[01:38] <crimsun> xed: 'n'
[01:39] <xed> crimsun, finished.
[01:40] <crimsun> xed: you will actually need to recompile alsa-source because of the kernel bump
[01:40] <crimsun> xed: cd /usr/src/modules/alsa-source
[01:40] <crimsun> xed: sudo ./debian/rules clean
[01:40] <xed> bash: cd: /usr/src/modules/alsa-source: No such file or directory
[01:41] <xed> I should go to home dir. and do this, yes/
[01:41] <xed> ?
[01:41] <crimsun> xed: no, it should be in /usr/src/modules/alsa-driver
[01:41] <crimsun> sorry 'bout that
[01:42] <xed> I'm already there.
[01:42] <crimsun> did you run sudo ./debian/rules clean ?
[01:42] <xed> yes, yes I did.
[01:43] <crimsun> xed: sudo ./debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp KVERS=<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp
[01:43] <xed> Aye, sir.. its doing its thing.
[01:44] <xed> Done
[01:44] <crimsun> cd ..
[01:44] <xed> Aye
[01:44] <crimsun> there should be an alsa-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp_1.0.7-2_i386.deb
[01:45] <xed> yep, its there.
[01:45] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i alsa-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp_1.0.7-2_i386.deb
[01:45] <xed> Done
[01:46] <crimsun> ok, please paste to pastebin.com the output of: find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp -name 'snd-atiixp*ko'
[01:47] <xed> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/193555
[01:48] <crimsun> ok
[01:48] <xed> groovy
[01:48] <xed> now what?
[01:49] <xed> not being rude or anything, just asking
[01:49] <crimsun> xed: ok, we need to remove duplicates
[01:50] <xed> alrighty
[01:50] <crimsun> xed: please paste to pastebin.com the output of: find /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp -name 'snd*ko'
[01:50] <xed> ehh.. are you sure?
[01:51] <xed> thats.. a lot.
[01:51] <crimsun> xed: yes
[01:52] <xed> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/193556
[01:53] <xed> heh, I told you its a lot.
[01:54] <crimsun> it's really not much
[01:54] <crimsun> you just happened to paste all your buffers, which shows up as repetitions
[01:54] <xed> Which makes no sense to me...atm atleast.
[01:54] <xed> I want this issue resolved so bad.. i'm crying on the inside.
[01:55] <xed> Figure out anything from all that, crimsun?
[01:56] <crimsun> yes, gimme a sec
[01:56] <crimsun> I'm writing a shell script
[01:56] <xed> O.O
[01:58] <crimsun> no, it's easier to do this:
[01:58] <xed> ok
[01:58] <xed> ...?
[01:58] <crimsun> ln -sf /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/kernel/sourc/pci/.
[01:59] <crimsun> (well, put sudo in front)
[01:59] <crimsun> then:
[01:59] <xed> Do I need the dot at the end?
[01:59] <crimsun> yes
[01:59] <xed> so then ... 'sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/kernel/sourc/pci/.'
[02:00] <xed> ln: creating symbolic link `/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/kernel/sourc/pci/.' to `/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko': No such file or directory
[02:00] <crimsun> then: sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/.
[02:00] <xed> But that didn't work
[02:00] <crimsun> sudo ln -sf /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/updates/alsa/pci/snd-atiixp.ko /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-4-686-smp/kernel/sound/pci/.
[02:01] <marjorie> anyone had an automount problem with usb floppy dirves?
[02:01] <xed> crimsun, done.
[02:02] <crimsun> marjorie: have you checked the ubuntu-user mailing list archive and the wiki?
[02:02] <crimsun> xed: ok, now you can reboot
[02:02] <marjorie> nothing obvious...
[02:02] <xed> sweeeet
[02:02] <xed> brb
[02:05] <xed> crimsun, YOU SIR.. are a GOD
[02:05] <xed> I hear the sounds..
[02:05] <xed> But this mp3 won't work =(
[02:06] <xed> But indeed you are a god
[02:06] <cartman> umm
[02:06] <crimsun> xed: what are you using to play the mp3?
[02:06] <xed> Totem Movie Player =(
[02:06] <xed> It opens it in that
[02:06] <crimsun> xed: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:07] <crimsun> xed: uncomment the 'deb ... universe' line
[02:07] <crimsun> xed: save it, then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:08] <xed> wait wait--
[02:08] <xed> uncomment the 'deb .. universe' line?
[02:08] <xed> The first line?
[02:08] <xed> #deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ - Preview i386 Binary-1 (20041020)] / unstable main restricted
[02:08] <xed> That one?
[02:09] <crimsun> xed: no
[02:09] <xed> oh oh
[02:09] <crimsun> xed: the # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com .... universe one
[02:09] <xed> both of them, or only one?
[02:09] <crimsun> up to you, but you definitely need the deb one
[02:09] <xed> one of them is the source?
[02:09] <crimsun> the deb-src one is optional
[02:09] <crimsun> yes
[02:10] <xed> I love you crimsun
[02:11] <crimsun> xed: have you updated and upgraded, then installed 'gstreamer0.8-mad'?
[02:11] <xed> Doing so now, crimsun
[02:11] <xed> and its done
[02:11] <marjorie> what does ubuntu use to automout?
[02:11] <xed> or wait-- wait--
[02:11] <xed> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[02:11] <xed> I did that
[02:11] <crimsun> marjorie: udev, hotplug, hal, pmount
[02:12] <marjorie> thx
[02:12] <crimsun> xed: that's right
[02:12] <xed> Alright, I did that
[02:12] <crimsun> xed: hmm, while you're at it, sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[02:12] <xed> xine?
[02:12] <xed> rings a bell..
[02:12] <crimsun> totem-xine, yep
[02:13] <xed> I know slim to nothing about linux as you can clearly tell... but that still wrings a bell..
[02:13] <xed> rings*
[02:13] <xed> okay, I'm done the xine thing too
[02:13] <xed> Anything else?
[02:13] <crimsun> that's it for now
[02:14] <crimsun> now you can play the mp3 with Applications>Sound & Video>Music Player
[02:14] <crimsun> or
[02:14] <xed> Sweet! Tommorow (if my wifi card isn't working) we shall attempt that... but I'm pretty sure it is.. haven't tested it.
[02:14] <marjorie> i think my system is treating it like a usb HD
[02:14] <crimsun> Applications>Sound & Video>Totem Movie Player
[02:14] <xed> crimsun, I love you.;
[02:14] <xed> To me, you are a god.
[02:14] <crimsun> ok, I gotta run. Time to sleep, and I gotta work in 4 hours.
[02:15] <xed> Same here!
[02:15] <xed> Remind me to pay you...in whatever way I can.
[02:15] <crimsun> no biggie, just enjoy Ubuntu.
[02:15] <xed> Oh, but I am.. I am..!
[02:15] <xed> Thats why I clean formatted. =)
[02:15] <xed> This thing is just sweet...
[02:16] <crimsun> roit
[02:17] <crimsun> marjorie: sorry I can't answer your question; perhaps try in a few hours when there are others active
[02:18] <Arvind-NL> Hi
[02:19] <Arvind-NL> I'm looking for a wallpaper, it has a greenish background color, bottem centerd 2 people, top left in white written UBUNTU.
[02:19] <marjorie> k#
[02:19] <marjorie> seems quite complicated
[02:19] <marjorie> looking in man for udev that just seems to be global rules
[02:19] <marjorie> for hotplug devices...
[02:20] <marjorie> i need something specific i guess to say, do this to this usb device
[02:20] <marjorie> disableing it and mounting manually aint an option as its for a "user" :)
[02:22] <cartman> you need to write a special udev rule
[02:26] <cjb> Hi all.
[02:31] <Minitwistor> hi
[02:33] <marjorie> my hal device manager crashes when i put the usb floppy in :O
[02:34] <Minitwistor> is this the right place for a newbie?
[02:35] <scizzo> Minitwistor: ask your question
[02:35] <scizzo> :)
[02:36] <Minitwistor> a very simple one: i ordered my ubuntu livecds yesterday (i live in the uk), and couldn't understand the faq regarding when they will get here... but i also wanted to know about minimum hardware specs which i couldn't find in the faq either
[02:37] <Minitwistor> i have a PII 233 with 32 MHz of RAM... I take it GNOME is far too heavy a desktop to run on that, so Ubuntu isn't really what I'm looking for?
[02:38] <restrex> Minitwistor install xfce
[02:38] <Minitwistor> but is that easy to do with ubuntu?
[02:39] <marjorie> im getting scsi emulation applied to a usb floppy drive which causes it to mount reapeatadly how can i stop this?
[02:39] <bloggs> Hi, can someone help me with my usb hard-drive?
[02:39] <marjorie> bloggs, whats up?
[02:40] <Minitwistor> i guess what i'm asking for is how well does ubuntu run on old computers... i can't afford any upgrades atm... just want to mess around and learn i suppose
[02:41] <bloggs> It used to work, but now it doesn't work - I get some error regarding IRQ 177 and "special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[02:41] <j1> hi everybody
[02:41] <marjorie> have you addes something else?
[02:42] <marjorie> added even
[02:42] <j1> can anyone helpme with a 'File size limit exceeded'
[02:42] <j1> ?
[02:42] <marjorie> methinks my problems should goto #debian
[02:44] <benjanet> why does Rithymbox not load all songs.. ?
[02:44] <bloggs> no, I've tried putting stuff in fstab (/mnt/usb1 /dev/sda1 vfat etc,,,,), but this doesn't work, resulting in "special device /dev/sda1 does not exist" error
[02:44] <eph> anyone running Ubuntu64 here?
[02:45] <marjorie> bloggs, does fdisk still see it?
[02:45] <bloggs> no, but I can see it on my windows partition, and on my slackware partition
[02:46] <marjorie> sounds like ira
[02:46] <marjorie> sounds like irq 17 is being used for something else?
[02:46] <bloggs> ira??
[02:46] <jessica_> I was looking at the openoffice-quickstart function, and saw a gnome applet for it. If I make a quickstarter manually, with 'ooffice -applet -quickstart' an invisible instance of the program is spawned, so that later starts will be faster... But the quickstarter quits directly when the real visible openoffice is exited! Isn't that weird?
[02:48] <bloggs> I have tried to install a USB printer, but there were no drivers (Canon PIXMA), could this have stuffed it?
[02:48] <marjorie> have u tried rebooting without it plugged in?
[02:48] <bloggs> no
[02:48] <bloggs> I might try that
[02:49] <sjoerd> having a usb printer plugged in or not won't make a difference
[02:49] <marjorie> it might be grabbing that irq?
[02:50] <marjorie> or bringing up an unsolved usb problem?
[02:50] <sjoerd> the host controller has an irq assigned, not each usb device
[02:50] <marjorie> but if there is something wrong with the contoler itselt, having two devices may have borked it?
[02:51] <sjoerd> extremely unlikely
[02:51] <bloggs> I remembered that when it used to work, I didn't need to modify fstab or anything like that, I just plugged it in and it was detected.
[02:52] <sjoerd> check the device manager and see if it shows you usb stuff
[02:52] <eph> >> Ubuntu 64 has a few issues with the Nvidia SATA controller on the NFORCE3 chipset...
[02:52] <marjorie> plugging in my usb floppy makes device manager crash...
[02:52] <bob2> eph: please file bugs
[02:53] <eph> bob2 how? im a newbie
[02:53] <bob2> (assuming it's not already reported)
[02:53] <sjoerd> marjorie: warty or hoary
[02:53] <bob2> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:53] <marjorie> warty
[02:53] <bloggs> I can see my USB hub interfaces
[02:53] <marjorie> demsg shows that its trying to initialies it as a mass storage device.
[02:54] <marjorie> but if there is a flopy in there it autmounts it reapeatadly so i get sda1, sda2 sda3, etc on desktop
[02:55] <sjoerd> marjorie: ah, i got that bug report in the debian bts once.. would be very interesting to know if you still have that with hoary (Note don't upgrade to hoary for that reason :)
[02:55] <marjorie> cool got a url for the bug?
[02:56] <sjoerd> bloggs: but not the printer and the usb disk ?
[02:56] <bloggs> I'm using warty
[02:56] <marjorie> i really need to fix it
[02:57] <marjorie> also the floppy kernel mod fails at boot
[02:57] <marjorie> no internal floppy in laptop tho
[02:58] <sjoerd> marjorie: no real solution for it for warty i guess
[02:59] <bloggs> usb 4-2: new high speed USB device using address 2
[02:59] <bloggs> irq 177: nobody cared!
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0107c3e>]  __report_bad_irq+0x31/0x73
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0107ce4>]  note_interrupt+0x4c/0x6f
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0107ea2>]  do_IRQ+0x92/0xf9
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c0106980>]  common_interrupt+0x18/0x20
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c010401c>]  default_idle+0x0/0x26
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c010403f>]  default_idle+0x23/0x26
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c010408e>]  cpu_idle+0x1d/0x32
[02:59] <bloggs>  [<c030864d>]  start_kernel+0x193/0x197
[02:59] <bloggs> handlers:
[02:59] <bloggs> [<e0b0a20f>]  (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x4e [usbcore] )
[02:59] <bloggs> [<e0b0a20f>]  (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x4e [usbcore] )
[02:59] <bloggs> [<e0b0a20f>]  (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x4e [usbcore] )
[02:59] <bloggs> Disabling IRQ #177
[02:59] <marjorie> sweet
[02:59] <bloggs> Thats what I get in dmesg
[02:59] <cartman> bloggs: kernel oopsed
[03:00] <sjoerd> bloggs: that's indeed time to plug out your usb devices and reboot
[03:00] <bob2> please don't paste stuff like that in here
[03:00] <bob2> that's a bug in the kernel, please file it if no one else has
[03:00] <sjoerd> marjorie: seems that you were right afterall :) (although it wasn't due to the irq)
[03:00] <marjorie> sjoerd: do u think i could do that upgrade via apt?
[03:00] <bloggs> ok - sorry bob2
[03:01] <sjoerd> marjorie: only if you go to hoary i guess.. which i don't want to recommend
[03:02] <marjorie> i need to give this laptop to an old person and they will really need that functionaloty
[03:02] <marjorie> despite my seeting up webspace....
[03:02] <marjorie> :)
[03:02] <marjorie> and cd burning...
[03:03] <marjorie> maby just go and buy another usb floppy?
[03:03] <bloggs> I'll plug everything out and see how I go.  Thanks all - ciao!
[03:03] <marjorie> but most i have see use the same samsung controller
[03:04] <marjorie> sjoerd: is hoary that unstable?
[03:05] <marjorie> this is pretty much only issue i have had
[03:05] <sjoerd> marjorie: dunno, but it has development version of all gnome stuff.. so
[03:05] <marjorie> ah
[03:05] <siretart> moquist: better wait for a deeper freeze of hoary
[03:05] <sjoerd> afaik hoary should be really considered experimental
[03:05] <marjorie> xfree.org as well?
[03:05] <HetIsLarsje> quit
[03:06] <sjoerd> but i don't run ubuntu, so that's not from personal experience
[03:06] <marjorie> k
[03:06] <marjorie> ill settle for a little script for now :)
[03:12] <bob2> barlas: can you turn that off please?
[03:12] <barlas> oops
[03:12] <barlas> okay
[03:12] <bob2> thanks :)
[03:29] <baluba> hi
[03:29] <bkuebler> hi baluba
[03:30] <baluba> lemonde online features an article on the word 'ubuntu' and the philosophy behind. maybe someone is interested (in french): http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3208,36-392306,0.html
[03:33] <Tomcat_> Kinda bad article... how can you write on a word and forget the first thing that Google shows about it? :)
[03:35] <benjanet> i getting an error downloading a package for Hoary: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glib2.0/libglib2.0-0_2.6.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb  Bad header line
[03:35] <Tomcat_> benjanet: Check your internet connection... seems to work for me.
[03:36] <benjanet> Tomcat_, i can download it manually, but not via apt-get
[03:36] <benjanet> Tomcat_, can i copy it manually to some directory ?
[03:36] <bkuebler> He is talking on irc.. I think his connection might be ok.. :-)
[03:39] <eph> is anyone here runnging Ubuntu64?
[03:39] <bob2> there's no such thing as 'ubuntu64'
[03:39] <bob2> you mean the amd64 port of ubuntu?
[03:39] <baluba> Tomcat_, don't be so google dependent or informatic-centric: there's a world outside :)
[03:40] <eph> yes the AMD64 version..
[03:40] <eph> well there is only one 64 version of ubuntu
[03:40] <eph> so i thought it was obvious enough
[03:40] <benjanet> where do i copy the .deb file for apt-get
[03:41] <bob2> benjanet: what are you trying to do?
[03:41] <Tomcat_> baluba: I didn't say they should *only* talk about Ubuntu Linux... but exactly your statement the other way round - there's also Google to ask if you want to write an article on a word. :>
[03:41] <benjanet> upgrade the libglib2.0.0
[03:42] <Tomcat_> benjanet: Yes you can... download it somewhere, then run dpkg -i blabla.deb
[03:43] <benjanet> Tomcat_, where are all .deb store, that apt-get uses ?
[03:43] <bob2> benjanet: it caches them in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[03:46] <benjanet> it now says that libglib2 is broken :(
[03:46] <bob2> what have you done?
[03:47] <benjanet> sudo cp libglib2....deb /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:47] <sir_latin> hi! I'm thinking of installing ubuntu on a Pentium 233 Mhz MMX with 48 MB RAM (Going to use Gnoppix), any suggestions, experiences with it?
[03:47] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the live cd won't run in 48MB of ram
[03:48] <sir_latin> if it does?
[03:49] <bob2> the live cd isn't an installer, tho
[03:50] <sir_latin> well, it looks like it's possible to install it from the livecd
[03:50] <bob2> I'm pretty certain you can't
[03:52] <sir_latin> http://www.gnoppix.org/pages/screenshots/gnoppix07beta/gnoppix_installer.png
[03:52] <etorix> cant you debootstrap it from live-cd
[03:52] <sir_latin> anyway, I could install ubuntu
[03:52] <cardador> sir_latin: you need at least 128 mb ram to run the live cd
[03:53] <sir_latin> you're right, I just tried it on VM
[03:54] <sir_latin> would ubuntu be a good distro to isntall on a crappy comp?
[03:55] <cardador> sir_latin: install ubuntu, then change from gnome to xfce to make your desktop faster
[03:55] <thorwil> hi! i'm thinking about installing either debian/demudi/ubuntu
[03:55] <thorwil> and i can't boot from cdroms
[03:56] <thorwil> now i know debian offers a way to install from harddisc (i'm on a working gentoo here)
[03:56] <thorwil> is the same possible with ubuntu?
[03:59] <sir_latin> I'll try it on my virtual machine frist hehe. How does the package managment work in ubuntu? Is it like debian appt-get?
[03:59] <sir_latin> I use gentoo on my comp. So I'm used to emerge world... hehe
[03:59] <cardador> sir_latin: it is debian
[03:59] <cardador> sir_latin: apt-get dist-upgrade here
[04:00] <sir_latin> cardador: cool
[04:01] <sir_latin> cardador: so it's basically debian with some extra stuff. Thinkin og using fluxbox, and the icon support for it. + firefox, thunderbird etc.
[04:01] <sir_latin> cardador: It's just gonna be an internet pc.. so my mom can browse, and use gaim or amsn heh :)
[04:01] <eph> is UBUNTU going to support anymore WMs in the near future?
[04:02] <wezzer> hello
[04:02] <wezzer> how could I see screen resolution after installing ati drivers?
[04:04] <sir_latin> does ubuntu use 2.4 kernel?
[04:04] <HcE> no
[04:05] <siretart> sir_latin: no, it uses hotplug udev and hal
[04:05] <benjanet> bob2, i solved the problem with "apt-get clean"
[04:05] <sir_latin> cool
[04:06] <sir_latin> by using ubuntu, I will learn debian too right?
[04:06] <siretart> sir_latin: if you want, perhaps, but you dont need to
[04:07] <sir_latin> siretart: I want to ;)
[04:08] <siretart> sir_latin: I think ubuntu could be a good start, but If you really want to understand debian internals, you'll soon install debian sarge on a second partition ;)
[04:12] <sir_latin> siretart: I don't want to use too much time on it hehe. We are probably gonna use debian on my system & network admin course, so it wouldn't be bad if I had some knowledge about debian
[04:13] <sir_latin> siretart: Cause I guess Gentoo is a bit easier when you get it up running
[04:13] <sir_latin> oh well, it's be finished downloaded in an hour
[04:14] <sir_latin> the install cd that is :)
[04:14] <tsw> sir_latin: or you could install debian
[04:14] <sir_latin> tsw: I know, but ubuntu seems friendlier, and I don't feel like using too much time on it
[04:15] <sir_latin> tsw: Just gonna be an internet pc for my mom :) I just want it to be linux so it can be easier for me to fix it from other places etc. And it's way more secure when it comes to viruses, spyware etc :)
[04:15] <zenrox> sir_latin,  just casue thare ant linux spyware
[04:16] <sir_latin> zenrox: I know :)
[04:16] <zenrox> hehehe
[04:16] <sir_latin> for now...
[04:16] <zenrox> for now is right
[04:17] <sir_latin> no point in making it either.. isn't it like 5% of the users that have linux?
[04:17] <sir_latin> not much to get from there, and I guess most of us are geeks too, so we will hunt them down :p
[04:17] <zenrox> 5% linux as a desktop
[04:17] <zenrox> 30-50% linux as servers
[04:17] <carambol> sudo dont work for...i cant enter the root with it
[04:18] <zenrox> carambol,  if you want a root cosole do sudo -s
[04:19] <carambol> ok tnx
[04:19] <carambol> whats the s?
[04:19] <carambol> shell?
[04:20] <zenrox> i guess
[04:21] <zenrox> i just run my commands with just sudo
[04:21] <carambol> i can a error message...
[04:21] <carambol> i get an error messg
[04:21] <carambol> if i do sudo
[04:22] <Cervantes_> Is anyone familiar with Ndiswrapper?
[04:23] <nosami> hi room! Does anyone here have any experience with getting an ITE8212 raid controller to work in Warty?
[04:29] <carambol> at rebooting ...i got the messge of a FATAL Error with shchk
[04:29] <carambol> whats is this?
[04:30] <carambol> no not rebooting but at isnatllation
[04:30] <carambol> installation
[04:32] <carambol> is that the reason i cannt enter root with sudo?
[04:32] <hezekiah> Has anyone here had trouble with bitmap fonts on Hoary?  After upgrading to Hoary, all bitmap fonts (Terminus, LucidasansTypewriter) show up as bold all of the time.
[04:33] <esher> hezekiah, tell me pls how do you setup terminus font, i messed up with this :/
[04:33] <cavediver> Hi again. I've just set the root password and now I can su as usual. However when running for example synaptic I apply the root password and then get error message: Child terminated with error status 1 or something. Anyone know something about this?
[04:33] <esher> cannot change in xchat or xconsole
[04:34] <carambol> me too cavedriver
[04:34] <etorix> ubuntu is set up to not need a root account
[04:34] <usual> cavediver, try opening a terminal and typing gksudo synaptic
[04:34] <carambol> but i cannot even enter root in any instance
[04:35] <hezekiah> esher: I installed the xfonts-terminus package (I think that's the name?), and then you have to edit /etc/fonts/local/conf and uncomment a line to enable bitmap fonts
[04:35] <usual> or try sudo -s
[04:35] <usual> then launch it
[04:35] <exlt> nosami: I think this controller uses Iiteraid, and I do not see this driver in the stock modules on my system
[04:35] <esher> thx hezekiah, edit the conf i miss
[04:35] <NKM> hi, i have a password protected .rar file, who i extract the file with rar in console? (what's the command to put the password?)
[04:36] <hezekiah> esher: You're welcome, that bugged the heck out of me until I found that conf file :-)
[04:36] <esher> he :)
[04:37] <Cervantes_> can anyone offer some help with modem drivers?
[04:37] <NKM> nobody knows?? plz
[04:39] <carambol> rar is not for linux but windows
[04:40] <esher> works nice now :P
[04:41] <exlt> Cervantes_: could you be a little more specific?  what modem/drivers...
[04:41] <Cervantes_> well, I have an AOpen FM56-PM winmodem, and can't find any linux drivers for it
[04:41] <Cervantes_> The chipset is: Conexant (Rockwell) Mono Pack RH56D/SP-PCI
[04:42] <Cervantes_> Vendor ID: 14f1  Device ID: 1036
[04:42] <benjanet> Why does rhythmbox not load all songs.. ?
[04:42] <oLDELPASo> hi
[04:42] <oLDELPASo> i hope it is ok fore me to ask questions her
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> my ubunto duse not support HT
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> i try to change the kernel but it is not under usr/src/linux
[04:43] <usual> did you bring taco's?
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> lol
[04:43] <oLDELPASo> yes only fore you
[04:44] <usual> easy man
[04:44] <usual> lol
[04:44] <oLDELPASo> lol
[04:45] <nosami> thanks exit
[04:45] <usual> oLDELPASo, I don't have HT sorry
[04:45] <usual> oLDELPASo, do you need a certain kernel
[04:45] <exlt> Cervantes_: the linmodem db search looks to be down at the moment - not sure if this one is supported
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> i whant to be abel to change my kenrel support
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> and soory fore my eng
[04:46] <Cervantes_> exlt, where is the linmodem db search?  I tried looking around that site but didn't find a search engine
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> i installd Gentoo
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> the installations was hard there
[04:46] <usual> gentoo is evil
[04:46] <oLDELPASo> but there i can change my kernel setings
[04:46] <usual> you can here also
[04:47] <oLDELPASo> but i dont know how to do it in ubuntu
[04:47] <usual> there are step by step tutorials on rebuilding the ubuntu kernel
[04:47] <usual> go to the website
[04:47] <oLDELPASo> k
[04:47] <oLDELPASo> i will have a look there
[04:47] <exlt> Cervantes_: there are a couple of searches from http://www.linmodems.org/
[04:47] <usual> oLDELPASo, wait
[04:47] <usual> oLDELPASo, do this
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> ok
[04:48] <Frafraxy> hi all
[04:48] <exlt> Cervantes_: look in the How-To, also
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> oki
[04:48] <usual> ummm
[04:48] <Frafraxy> i can't use dvd
[04:48] <Cervantes_> exlt, how-to on ubuntu?  or linmodems?
[04:48] <usual> do you use synaptic or apt
[04:48] <Frafraxy> i can't use dvd video
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> can use
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> youcant look on a dvd move or
[04:48] <oLDELPASo> ?
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, basically install the smp kernel image
[04:49] <oLDELPASo> ok usual
[04:49] <Frafraxy> i've read the documentation, but it doesn't work
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, you can find it a number of ways
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, either with apt or synaptic
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, the 686 smp kernel
[04:49] <usual> oLDELPASo, it's in ubuntu
[04:49] <oLDELPASo> Frafraxy can you not look on dvd movies??
[04:50] <oLDELPASo> ok super thanks usual :)
[04:50] <usual> Frafraxy, uncomment the universe and multiverse in sources.list
[04:50] <Frafraxy> ok
[04:50] <usual> Frafraxy, then install xine
[04:50] <usual> totem-xine
[04:50] <usual> gstreamer doesn't support dvd's
[04:50] <Frafraxy> ok
[04:50] <oLDELPASo> is the apt-get works like in debian?
[04:50] <usual> it sucks
[04:50] <usual> oLDELPASo, ubuntu is debian yes
[04:50] <oLDELPASo> i use mplayer
[04:51] <oLDELPASo> fore dvd's
[04:51] <Frafraxy> ok
[04:51] <Frafraxy> totem-xine installed
[04:51] <keyshawn2> there's a dvd plugin for xine that you'll need.
[04:51] <usual> Frafraxy, oh you also need libdvdcss2
[04:51] <Frafraxy> i've installed it
[04:51] <usual> ok
[04:51] <usual> then should work now
[04:51] <oLDELPASo> i whant to give you alitel sorry her, but sorry fore my eng
[04:52] <oLDELPASo> i work on a compnay with over 10.000 WinXP clients and we are like 100 Admins
[04:52] <oLDELPASo> i start to intall gentoo as my workstation
[04:52] <oLDELPASo> and use a web based admin to admin accounts and fix with are AD
[04:52] <Frafraxy> it doesn't do
[04:53] <Frafraxy> it doesn't work
[04:53] <usual> Frafraxy, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:53] <usual> there ya go
[04:53] <oLDELPASo> now i have converted 20 admins
[04:53] <oLDELPASo> so we are slowly going over to linux admin workstations
[04:53] <Frafraxy> i've do that!!!
[04:53] <Frafraxy> but it doesn't do
[04:53] <oLDELPASo> i will save this as a log and post this on are forum at work
[04:53] <Frafraxy> i see only the first file
[04:53] <usual> Frafraxy, ytou added the multimedia repos to apt?
[04:54] <Frafraxy> yes
[04:54] <oLDELPASo> and thay will see whay we not shuld have Microsoft products
[04:54] <usual> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[04:54] <exlt> Cervantes_:  looks like this modem is listed as linmodem compatible at http://free.hostdepartment.com/g/gromitkc/pci_list.html (found from http://start.at/modem)
[04:54] <oLDELPASo> support comunity rocks
[04:54] <Frafraxy> i've installed all
[04:54] <usual> Frafraxy, maybe your missing a codec i dunno
[04:54] <oLDELPASo> thanks fore help usual
[04:54] <usual> oLDELPASo, yea
[04:54] <usual> oLDELPASo, np
[04:55] <Ng> hmm, has the marrilat mplayer stuff become incompatible with warty?
[04:55] <usual> i heard
[04:55] <usual> but i dunno
[04:55] <usual> i use hoary
[04:55] <Frafraxy> i use hoary
[04:55] <usual> I gave up on dvd's until they update gstreamer
[04:55] <Ng> me too, but I just installed a little warty box
[04:55] <Cervantes_> exlt, thanks :)  I checked through those sites yesterday, and came to the same conclusion, that it is linmodem compatable.  But, where can I get the drivers?  Thanks a bunch :)
[04:55] <Ng> and apt is refusing to install mplayer ;)
[04:56] <usual> Ng, the hoary cd image worked great
[04:56] <usual> Ng, did you upgrade or fresh install
[04:56] <Ng> it was a fresh warty install
[04:56] <usual> k
[04:57] <oLDELPASo> lol
[04:57] <Frafraxy> how can i do?
[04:58] <Cervantes_> exlt, I was trying to use Ndiswrapper yesterday, but I couldn't find a windows XP driver for my modem anywhere.  The best I could get was Windows NT.
[04:59] <wezzer> Cervantes_: did you get that modem problem solved?
[05:00] <Cervantes_> exlt, nope, I managed to get through all the steps on the NDISwrapper installation process (found here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/Installation), but there were two .INF files.  I tried them both, but both ways ended up with a "invalid installation" or "invalid driver" message at the end.
[05:01] <Frafraxy> can you help me?
[05:03] <oLDELPASo> anyone plaud with supermount in ubuntu
[05:03] <oLDELPASo> ?
[05:03] <exlt> Cervantes_: have you tried to build the linmodem driver - since it is listed, you might try that
[05:03] <oLDELPASo> playd
[05:03] <Cervantes_> exlt, build the driver?  You mean, myself?  :/
[05:05] <exlt> Cervantes_: - this post looks very promising - http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Q_20888784.html
[05:05] <Cervantes_> checking it out :D
[05:05] <exlt> Cervantes_: it is RedHat-based, but looks like the linuxant drivers may work out for you
[05:06] <Cervantes_> awesome! :D
[05:08] <exlt> Cervantes_: yep - your vendor ID is listed in the docs as supported by the conextant drivers
[05:09] <grepper> anyone know where the "About Ubuntu" entry in the Applications menu is generated from ?
[05:09] <Cervantes_> err, exlt, it says I need to subscribe in order to view the solution to that guy's question
[05:09] <bretzel> Hi all - I have totally screwed my XWindow ( conflict between XFree86 and Xorg after getting full of pkg from hoary :-)
[05:09] <Cervantes_> exlt, and that means paying money :/ not just a free subscription
[05:09] <exlt> Cervantes_: nah - just look down past all the stupid ads
[05:11] <Cervantes_> exlt, hmm, I just filled out the name / email / pword section and it's saying I've entered invalid credit card stuff (I didn't enter anything at all)
[05:11] <grepper> I'd like to remove it and "Help" because they are strangely liked to externel urls, and the machine is not connected
[05:11] <grepper> oh, not "Help", just "About Ubuntu"
[05:11] <exlt> Cervantes_: I have never signed up for this site - just scroll down to see all the comments
[05:12] <bob2> grepper: I'm almost certain it's not user modifiable (ie you need to recompile gnome)
[05:12] <bob2> but wasn't it in the computer menu?
[05:13] <Cervantes_> exlt, lol, I might be able to sign up as an expert :P lol!
[05:13] <grepper> bob2, not here - I 'm using stock Warty
[05:14] <grepper> hm, seems like a strange decision to use an external ref, perhaps its a bug that's fixed in Hoary
[05:14] <bob2> hm, ok
[05:14] <bob2> how is it a bug?
[05:14] <grepper> compounded by the fact its not in the vfolders anywhere
[05:15] <grepper> bob2, well, there are bound to be more than a few machines not hooked to the internet
[05:15] <bob2> bretzel: how did that screw it up?
[05:15] <bob2> grepper: sure, so don't use that menu item then :)
[05:15] <grepper> and it looks unpolished to have it load firefox with a not found
[05:15] <grepper> well, the beginners I am building the system for will not know that
[05:15] <grepper> I am thinking in general terms - its a usability bug
[05:16] <grepper> personally I could care less, of course :)
[05:16] <bretzel> bob2: When I wanted to upgrade all pkg related to X/KDE I think the tools couldn't remove XFree86... This is all I can say.
[05:17] <bob2> bretzel: so what isn't working?
[05:18] <bretzel> bob2: This is funny because both XFree86 and Xorg seems to want to start. But if I navigate X11 dirs, I can't see any bin executable of Xorg. I see only XFree86 in .../bin/X11R6/
[05:19] <grepper> can anyone using Hoary confirm if "About Ubuntu" loads a local file,  or an external one ?
[05:20] <bob2> bretzel: have you removed xserver-xfree86?
[05:20] <bob2> grepper: local
[05:20] <wezzer> argh
[05:21] <wezzer> I installed ATI drivers, and now I can't get bigger resolution than 1024x768 even though I set the default resolution to 1280x980
[05:21] <bretzel> bob2: I think I 've messed up the pkg database... Xfree86 won't remove :-) and I also think that XOrg can't be installed succesfully I 've got full of error msg such as [...] ( 2 no such file ) during deb pkg setup
[05:21] <grepper> bob2, thanks
[05:21] <grepper> I would assume it gnome-panel that it comes from ?
[05:22] <bob2> bretzel: 'messed up the pkg database'? how?
[05:22] <bob2> bretzel: you can't make things unremovable by fiddling with synaptic
[05:23] <bretzel> I dunno, every try I did - didn't work ( apt-get remove xfree86 ( or XFree86 ) )
[05:23] <bob2> how did you get into this state?
[05:24] <Halo> Hello
[05:24] <exlt> Cervantes_: looks like linuxant driver is hobbled to 14.4 until you buy a license from them :( - you are better off probably finding a hardware modem or an external would be better if this is a laptop
[05:24] <bretzel> bob2: I think I am going to reboot in Ubuntu and then try removing Xorg first, and then re-setup XFree86 if apt can fix things...
[05:25] <bob2> what did you do to get your system like this?
[05:25] <Cervantes_> exlt: yeah, that's what I don't like about linuxant.  I tried an old US Robotics external modem, but I can't even plug it into my computer (no port).  I'm not sure about hardware modems... how old should they be?
[05:26] <Halo> I need a hand with my wireless driver
[05:26] <Halo> I've got it working fine with ndiswrapper, I followed the wiki entry on it
[05:26] <Halo> Trouble is, even if I set it to auto on, either by hand editing the config file, or using gnome, it doesn't work on boot
[05:27] <Halo> if I modprobe -r ndiswrapper and then modprobe ndiswrapper it will work again
[05:27] <bob2> is ndiswrapper in /etc/modules?
[05:27] <Halo> So my question is, how can I add those into the network start script so it will work on boot every time?
[05:27] <Halo> I don't know... I'm booted into my windows partition and can't check at the moment
[05:28] <Sacred> mm, would you consider as safe an upgrade to hoary on the present state ?
[05:28] <wezzer> hey, I installed fglrx-control, which command launches it?
[05:28] <Halo> I just installed yesterday, I don't have much to lose
[05:28] <Halo> This is an asus wireless card, with the rt2500 chipset
[05:28] <Halo> there are linux native drivers for it, but I couldn't get them to work properly
[05:28] <ztonzy> hi !
[05:29] <bob2> Sacred: are you ok with it possibly breaking and you having to manually fix something?
[05:29] <Halo> Ah crap, I have to run
[05:29] <Halo> I'll be back in 10 or so under my nix partition
[05:29] <ztonzy> I just wanted to tell that I just bought a digital camera, Fuji Finepix A340 and it worked out of the box as USB mass storage controler on the Desktop !  =D
[05:29] <ztonzy> reall neat
[05:29] <Sacred> definitely bob2 =)
[05:29] <ztonzy> really*
[05:30] <wezzer> haa, fireglcontrol it is
[05:30] <bretzel> well ok I am rebooting in ubuntu to see what can I do to restore my messed sys :-) see you
[05:30] <wezzer> how can I add it to gnome menu?
[05:30] <Sacred> There was a time when we used to do everything manually ;)
[05:30] <bob2> wezzer: applications:/// in nautilus
[05:30] <wezzer> thanks bob2
[05:32] <wezzer> bob2: After creating launcher, it won't show up...
[05:33] <wezzer> do I have to restart gnome or something else?
[05:33] <bob2> don't know
[05:33] <wezzer> I already tried as root, but no effect
[05:34] <bob2> er, not as root
[05:34] <wezzer> I tried as normal user first, of course
[05:34] <wezzer> but it didn't work so I tried as root also
[05:38] <Cervantes_> exlt, I think I need to install C or something like that because I'm not using red hat or mandrake (regarding linuxant drivers)
[05:46] <sensebend> wezzer, you need to restart gnome
[05:47] <sensebend> the messy way to do this is to exit all your applications and press ctrl + alt +  backspace
[05:47] <wezzer> okay
[05:47] <wezzer> thanks
[06:21] <Fish__> ya
[06:21] <prox2far> not much happening on this channel
[06:22] <Fish__> rite there
[06:25] <bretzel> bob2: ?
[06:25] <Fish__> how many prople got their ubuntu cd's from shipit?
[06:25] <arctick> i did
[06:26] <arctick> took quite a while though
[06:26] <Fish__> how many?
[06:27] <KobrAs_> i did
[06:27] <prox2far> a lot probarly, why???
[06:27] <Fish__> i ordered 10 more than 8 weeks ago
[06:27] <Fish__> my shipit page has not changed
[06:28] <bretzel> bob2: ?
[06:28] <Fish__> so like how long does it take
[06:29] <prox2far> fish: it takes a long
[06:29] <prox2far> ill try again
[06:29] <Fish__> after all
[06:29] <Fish__> free stuff
[06:29] <Fish__> can't blame them
[06:30] <zenwhen> It takes a VERY long time. It took at least two months for mine.
[06:30] <warty> hi, I need some help with finding and instaling my audio device, anyone can help me_
[06:30] <Fish__> i just wanna promote linux in this part of the world
[06:30] <prox2far> fish: it takes forever, although 8 weeks sounds too long try e-mailing them
[06:30] <zenwhen> I downloaded it before they came.
[06:30] <Fish__> i can'e download
[06:30] <prox2far> warty: what release + audio devise do you have
[06:31] <bretzel> Somone can tell me why hoary can't provide Kdelibs4 ?? Lots of kde components ( such kopete; kdevelop etc... ) depends on it ???
[06:31] <warty> whartywardog, sb compatible 16bit and so on. It/s really a ESS but worked fine as Sb compatible on libranet
[06:32] <Fish__> kde is not supported
[06:32] <bretzel> even konqueror is not from KDE3.3.1 but 3.2.x ??
[06:32] <bretzel> Fish: I know kde isn't supported but if KDE3.3.x is in hoary, Kdelibs4 must be there not ?
[06:33] <prox2far> warty: have you tried installing the standard Linux sound bla. bla. bla. i think it's called ALSA
[06:33] <Fish__> open a command and type alsa with root priveleges
[06:33] <grepper> anyone know how to build gnome debs with an increased jobs level ?  ie.  make -j4  etc ?
[06:34] <warty> yeah, it\s installed. The thing is I can\t find the audio device in the device manager. is there some place where I can manually select the driver.? like in libranet?
[06:34] <prox2far> warty: try following instructions here    http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo/view?searchterm=sound%20device
[06:35] <warty> thnx, I will+) i aoreciate the help
[06:36] <prox2far> warty: you're welcome, i hope it works, iv'e never had sound problems with whartywardog
[06:39] <abelli> is there any kind of pppoa kernel thing in ubuntu?
[06:42] <warty> prox2far: Is it possible to manually select the device when I install the wartywhardog? I only run it as livecd now to see if I want it. and I do|}) the only problem is the sound device... and another question| how do i install it? do i have to select some other option at lilo? and if so, what option?
[06:42] <Kokuma> o/
[06:44] <Kokuma> Kinda quiet channel with that large user amount
[06:44] <gir_> Hi everyone, I'm thinking of a remote desktop server for access to the desktop across the internet. What would people recommend as a good (and secure) way of doing this?
[06:45] <sladen> vnc / X over SSH?
[06:45] <dat> quick question.. how do you enable wpa for wifi?  the config only seems to ask for the wep key
[06:45] <prox2far> warty: do you allready have a Linux distro on your PC
[06:46] <warty> yes, libranet 2.8.1
[06:46] <gir_> sladen: ssh sounds like a good idea, i'll have to do some research into the x / vnc part. But that should give good security
[06:47] <prox2far> warty: i don't have a lot of experience wit'h LILO, I'm running Grub, but you have to edit LILO if both systems have to run on the same machine
[06:48] <sladen> gir_: what do you actually want to access across the net?  If you just want to run an accplication, do    ssh -X -C<EMAIL_ADDRESS>$APPLICATIOn
[06:48] <warty> no, i just meant what option do i select when i want to install warty not just run it from the cd.. sorry, i misexplained myself:)
[06:48] <sladen> gir_: also check out NX
[06:48] <warty> i don\t need libranet
[06:48] <sladen> gir_: FreeNX
[06:49] <Sacred> dat: http://hostap.epitest.fi/
[06:49] <warty> it\s to damn old, no new gnome or kernel...
[06:49] <prox2far> warty: just set the bios to boo from cd and install on top of old Linux, thats what i did going from collegelinux -> ubuntu
[06:49] <gir_> sladen: i've set up linux for some linux newbies, and i want some way to admin in case there's a problem later, or they want new software etc..
[06:50] <prox2far> warty: boo = boot
[06:50] <warty> yeah, but when i do that i get lots of options at startup, i don\t know which one is to install..
[06:50] <gir_> sladen: I've found a couple of tuts for x over ssh, that looks like a good solution
[06:51] <dat> Sacred, thanks
[06:51] <prox2far> warty: 2. sec.
[06:51] <jerkface> can someone help me with getting my sound card to use multiple streams with alsa?
[06:51] <warty> oki:)
[06:51] <jerkface> its 8x0 compatible afaik
[06:54] <thomas_> Happy new year everybody
[06:55] <prox2far> warty: when starting the install disc there should only be 2 choises: help (f1) and boot=install (enter) am I wrong
[06:55] <prox2far> thomas: thanks
[06:55] <moquist> prox2far: sounds right to me
[06:55] <warty> hmmm, i get lots of them. the one says just ubuntu, which is what i chose..
[06:56] <warty> i\ll just have to try then:)
[06:56] <prox2far> warty: just ubuntu sounds like a good choise
[06:56] <warty> no, then it just boots from  livecd, not to install...
[06:57] <prox2far> warty: I think you have the wrong cd
[06:57] <warty> hmmm, i just got the gnoppixstable.iso
[06:58] <warty> which should i choose then from ftp?
[06:58] <prox2far> warty: what lang. do you normally use???
[06:58] <warty> english
[06:59] <prox2far> warty: do you use a 64 bit cpu
[06:59] <warty> no, it\s an old qompac armada 7400 with pentium II 350 cpu. no 64 bit here I\m afraid:)
[07:00] <prox2far> warty: get this iso http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[07:00] <warty> but is this gnoppix? i\m a bit confused by the ubuntu|gnoppix...
[07:01] <prox2far> warty: no not knoppix but Ubuntu
[07:02] <warty> no, not knoppix:) Gnoppix:)
[07:02] <kebac> what the heck is gnoppix
[07:02] <thomas_> is there a document concerning an ubuntu install on an iMac available?
[07:03] <prox2far> warty: Gnoppix????   2.sec. again :% sorry
[07:03] <warty> gnoppix is the opposite of knoppix, gnome instead of kde... i went to www.gnoppix.org and i got this file which says it\s both ubuntu and gnoppix.. it\s really confusing...
[07:04] <prox2far> warty: gnoppix looks like it's a slightly modded version of Ubuntu
[07:05] <warty> ok, i\ll just download the from the link i got from you then, thnx alot mate, happy new year:)
[07:05] <prox2far> warty: + it's rather pretty compared to Ubuntu
[07:05] <warty> oki
[07:06] <prox2far> wart: thanks if you want to look at the real warty release look here   http://osdir.com/screenshots/index.php?directory=gnome2.8
[07:06] <prox2far> warty: and yes that is the ugliest version of brown iv's ever seen
[07:07] <HaloGray> Hello all
[07:07] <HaloGray> Having issues with the computer machine :(
[07:07] <HaloGray> I have a wireless card that I have working with ndiswrapper
[07:07] <prox2far> HG: whats the prob
[07:07] <prox2far> HG: and...
[07:08] <sladen> HaloGray: if it's working...?
[07:08] <MunDy-> i just installed ubuntu, and x crashes...
[07:08] <MunDy-> what can i do?
[07:09] <grepper> hah, fixed the "About Ubuntu" - goes local now
[07:09] <sladen> MunDy-: hoary or warty?
[07:09] <MunDy-> warty
[07:10] <sladen> MunDy-: likely warty.  Okay.  How does it crash?
[07:10] <MunDy-> it just wont run, it says it cannot start x
[07:10] <sladen> MunDy-: does it give an error message before that
[07:11] <sladen> MunDy-: anything in ~/.xsession-errors
[07:11] <MunDy-> not that i know of
[07:11] <MunDy-> remember rather...
[07:12] <sladen> MunDy-: are you using the same computer rebooted into Windows are this moment/
[07:12] <MunDy-> yes
[07:12] <prox2far> munDy: not wise
[07:12] <MunDy-> why not?
[07:13] <prox2far> mundy: a bit difficult to help when you can't acces you're Linux based system
[07:13] <prox2far> myndu: while writing too us
[07:14] <sladen> prox2far: do you have another computer you could connect here with whilst playing with the linux machine/
[07:14] <sladen> s/prox2far/mundy/
[07:14] <prox2far> sladen: yes I have 2
[07:14] <MunDy-> prox2far: yeah, i realise that... but i don't really have an alternative
[07:15] <prox2far> Mundy: OK sorry
[07:15] <MunDy-> prox2far: no need to be sorry :)
[07:16] <MunDy-> I used to use Fedora Core 2 a few months back, and when it didnt like the new drivers i made it use for my videocard, i got the same thing
[07:16] <MunDy-> maybe something wrong with the drivers ubuntu assigned to my card?
[07:16] <prox2far> Mundy: what card are you using
[07:17] <MunDy-> ATI Radeon 9200
[07:17] <nuOpus> Gnoppix actually looks like the stock GNOME 2.8
[07:17] <nuOpus> it looks nothing like Ubuntu
[07:18] <nuOpus> You could say Ubuntu looks like GNOME 2.8 with some modifications .... but Gnoppix is just GNOME 2.8
[07:19] <prox2far> Mundy: Warty should work with radeon, have you been trying to push you monitor above correct res.???
[07:19] <FatherHam> is ubuntu ready for an amd64 machine, or would i be better off with another distro for now?
[07:20] <HaloGray> Ok, adding it to modules worked :)
[07:20] <HaloGray> Thanks to bob2 for mentioning that earlier
[07:20] <MunDy-> prox2far: nope, when it asked for resolution changes etc, i left it as it was
[07:20] <MunDy-> so the highest it should try is 1024x768 no?
[07:21] <HaloGray> Now I have an issue with how long it takes for the network to start
[07:21] <sensebend> MunDy-, check your HorizSync and VertRefresh values in your X configuration
[07:21] <sensebend> make sure they match the spec of your monitor
[07:21] <HaloGray> Since I only have the wireless up, and not the wired ethernet, it takes about a minute of extra boottime to time out
[07:21] <MunDy-> sensebend: how would i do that?
[07:21] <sladen>  HaloGray: press ctrl-c
[07:21] <MunDy-> I've had little experience with linux before
[07:21] <prox2far> mundy: look here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=radeon
[07:21] <HaloGray> This is a laptop though, so depending on where I'm at... I could be using wired or wireless
[07:22] <HaloGray> sladen: wouldn't ctrl+c cancel the wireless attempt too?
[07:22] <sladen> HaloGray: and then edit /etc/network/interfaces and set noauto
[07:22] <HaloGray> I want them both to be auto... I just don't want them to retry so many times
[07:22] <HaloGray> or take so long
[07:22] <HaloGray> at work I use wired, at home I was wireless
[07:22] <sensebend> in console type nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[07:22] <sensebend> someone correct me if that isn't the right location...
[07:23] <HaloGray> sensebend, are you talking to me?
[07:23] <prox2far> mundy: maybe Warty messed the ATI driver and you have to get a new one with apt get
[07:23] <sladen> HaloGray: try the following;
[07:23] <sladen> auto eth1
[07:23] <sladen> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[07:23] <sladen>         pre-up /sbin/mii-tool eth1|grep ok > /dev/null
[07:23] <sensebend> no HaloGray
[07:23] <sladen> HaloGray: ugly hack to skip trying the wired if there's no link-light
[07:24] <MunDy-> prox2far: so i should run the commands under the heading 'ATI (fglrx) Graphics Card' on the url you gave me?
[07:24] <sensebend> MunDy-, that will install the binary drivers which might fix your problem
[07:24] <sensebend> it would really help if you knew what the error message was :)
[07:24] <carajean> can some one help me with my nvidia drivers? after days of game play they dont work my glxgears scores are way low also
[07:24] <MunDy-> yeah, sorry about that
[07:24] <prox2far> mundy: yes but try running safe first
[07:25] <Quest-Master> In the Warty release, where are the scripts for Nautilus located?
[07:25] <Quest-Master> Like, Open Terminal Here
[07:25] <MunDy-> next time i boot up i will write it down
[07:25] <prox2far> mundy: safe mode
[07:25] <MunDy-> ok
[07:25] <MunDy-> i'll try this
[07:25] <MunDy-> thanks
[07:25] <carajean> if u can just tell me how to delete the drivers i could just reinstall them
[07:25] <MunDy-> i'll be back... :P
[07:26] <prox2far> mundy: see ya :)
[07:28] <HaloGray> sladen, should I do the same with the wireless?
[07:28] <HaloGray> it's only there half the time as well
[07:32] <HaloGray> rebooting to see what happens :O
[07:34] <joco> Hello Word
[07:36] <joco> UBUNTU amd 64 Nvidia experience ?
[07:37] <Marudubshinki> 'lo all.  I need some help getting my new Ubuntu system going: I greatly enjoy the screensaver 'electric sheep', and could not figure out how to get it to install from the screensaver menu, where it is listed as 'uinstalled' but still entered into the list.  So I tryed to install it manually- things went well with the d/ling of the debian package untill it mentioned its dependencies on 'xloadimage' which apparently has no non-RPM variati
[07:38] <HaloGray> Thanks guys, that seems to work wonderfully
[07:38] <HaloGray> fast boot time, and auto detect
[07:38] <HaloGray> I've got one last issue, and then I should be all set
[07:38] <prox2far> Mar...:can't you just find it using the synaptics download thingy
[07:38] <HaloGray> How safe is writing to an ntfs partition inside linux?
[07:38] <HaloGray> I hear it's still pretty shaky
[07:39] <Marudubshinki> Prox: o' course. Didn't work but I'll give it another shot.
[07:39] <kezz> its not very safe last time i checked HaloGray
[07:39] <HaloGray> is there a seperate program that will make it safer?
[07:40] <kezz> windows xp
[07:40] <HaloGray> maybe something that uses the windows ntfs stuff?
[07:40] <kezz> :P
[07:40] <HaloGray> I can't load xp inside of nix so that isn't so good for me :P
[07:40] <kezz> they haven't released the structure so its all guesswork afaik
[07:41] <HaloGray> My drive is like so: 10gb XP system | 30gb data | 10gb linux system/swap
[07:41] <HaloGray> I'd like to have linux and windows store and read from the same 30gb
[07:41] <HaloGray> I'd just use fat32... but it really sucks :P
[07:41] <scizzo> HaloGray: then you should have used fat
[07:41] <HaloGray> easy defragmentation, no support for +4gb files
[07:42] <kezz> maybe look for ext drivers for windows
[07:42] <HaloGray> that would work too
[07:43] <HaloGray> Thanks for all the help guys, I'm now 100% happy with Ubuntu
[07:43] <HaloGray> I'm eagerly awaiting what happens between now and 1.0
[07:44] <HaloGray> My last distro was Arch.  I used it to learn as much as I could about linux without pulling my brain out of my head and eating it
[07:44] <Ribs> HaloGray, 1.0 of what?
[07:44] <HaloGray> Ubuntu
[07:44] <Ribs> HaloGray, Ubuntu is stable now
[07:44] <HaloGray> Warty is .7 isn't it?
[07:44] <Ribs> erm, no
[07:44] <kezz> 4.10
[07:44] <Ribs> Warty was the first stable release
[07:44] <Ribs> so could be considered '1.0', if you want
[07:45] <HaloGray> I must be thinking of something else then.
[07:45] <Ribs> must be :)
[07:45] <HaloGray> Nevermind :O
[07:45] <HaloGray> One thing I do notice about running in linux for a short time
[07:45] <HaloGray> my laptop gets about as hot as windows + games
[07:46] <prox2far> next ubuntu is hoary it's version 5.04
[07:46] <HaloGray> I'm wondering if my video driver isn't being detected properly
[07:46] <HaloGray> This is a laptop, so it's the mobility card
[07:46] <sensebend> Hoary should be released in April sometime
[07:46] <HaloGray> if it's detecting the desktop card... could it be soft modding the card and heating it up?
[07:46] <kezz> HaloGray, could it be the fan control?
[07:46] <tsw> HaloGray: check that acpi is running, it controls fans also
[07:46] <HaloGray> How would I check that?
[07:47] <HaloGray> I know a bit, but I'm still a novice here :(
[07:47] <Marudubshinki> ditto
[07:47] <HaloGray> top?
[07:47] <Marudubshinki> what is acpi anyway?
[07:47] <tsw> command acpi should give some information
[07:47] <Ribs> HaloGray, Mine does that with Ubuntu as well
[07:47] <tsw> and acpi --verbose some more
[07:47] <Ribs> didn't do it on Gentoo or Windows
[07:47] <Ribs> so I guess it's a Ubuntu thing
[07:48] <HaloGray> Ubuntu is the first nix distro I've had on this laptop
[07:48] <HaloGray> but I didn't get any heat out of arch and my old thinkpad
[07:48] <HaloGray> but I was using fluxbox, so it didn't have much video info to deal with at all
[07:48] <tsw> my ibm thinkpad didnt want to enable acpi.. said something about too old bios
[07:48] <KreacH> i've gotten a free cd of fedora :S
[07:48] <HaloGray> acpi --verbose
[07:48] <HaloGray>      Thermal 1: ok, 53.0 degrees C
[07:48] <HaloGray>   AC Adapter 1: on-line
[07:49] <HaloGray> That's not a whole lot of info :-/
[07:49] <tvon> tsw: what thinkpad?
[07:49] <HaloGray> I'm more worried about the video card's heat, not the processor
[07:49] <tsw> tvon: 390X
[07:49] <Marudubshinki> no charging data, halo?
[07:49] <tvon> I know nothing about that :-D
[07:49] <tsw> HaloGray: but it seems that acpi is running
[07:49] <tsw> tvon: acpi=force (or something like that fixed it)
[07:50] <HaloGray> Marudubshinki, it's charged
[07:50] <tvon> tsw: ah
[07:50] <HaloGray> lemme see what happens when I unplug it
[07:50] <tvon>      Battery 1: charging, 66%, 00:23:26 until charged
[07:50] <tsw> tvon: I tried the ibm-acpi packages but couldnt get it working
[07:50] <tvon> tis what I have
[07:50] <HaloGray> just says offline lol
[07:50] <HaloGray> doesn't give me any info
[07:50] <tvon> I dont think the charging data shows up when its fully charged
[07:50] <tvon> oh, maybe not
[07:50] <HaloGray> oh wait
[07:50] <tvon> yeah, you don't have battery info
[07:50] <tsw> HaloGray: you can also get info with more /proc/acpi/*
[07:50] <tvon> try modprobing battery
[07:50] <HaloGray> acpi --verbose
[07:50] <HaloGray>      Battery 1: discharging, 103%, 03:54:22 remaining
[07:50] <HaloGray>      Thermal 1: ok, 52.0 degrees C
[07:50] <HaloGray>   AC Adapter 1: off-line
[07:51] <tvon> when unplugged I get discharging
[07:51] <tvon> heh
[07:51] <tsw> 103% :)
[07:51] <tvon> Battery 1: discharging, 67%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge.
[07:51] <tvon> peculiar to point that out when not plugged in
[07:51] <tsw> but acpi on linux gives fine info on /proc/acpi/BAT0/info (and others)
[07:51] <Marudubshinki> hmm... acpi says I do not have any thermal device. Is that a software glitch?
[07:52] <HaloGray> could be that you don't have any thermal devices
[07:52] <HaloGray> does your bios report temps at all?
[07:52] <Marudubshinki> mean to say no support
[07:52] <Marudubshinki> sorry
[07:53] <Marudubshinki> as in 'no support for device type: thermal'
[07:53] <tsw> some laptop manufactures have strange acpi solutions which are not compatible with standards
[07:53] <HaloGray> I really dislike Dell laptops :(
[07:53] <HaloGray> I wish I had the money for a new thinkpad instead of this thing
[07:53] <Marudubshinki> well its not dell. gateway.
[07:53] <HaloGray> I'm extra paranoid about it... 2 weeks after I got it the video card blew out
[07:53] <HaloGray> I wasn't doing much special with it, just windows + dawn of war
[07:54] <HaloGray> I even had DoW on low settings
[07:54] <tsw> HaloGray: what about settings in bios?
[07:54] <HaloGray> nothing for underclocking there
[07:54] <HaloGray> otherwise I would
[07:54] <KreacH> how can i format my hd an keep ubuntu installed ?
[07:54] <tsw> could there be something like "fans usage: silent / powerfull / or such"
[07:54] <KreacH> just kidding
[07:55] <HaloGray> nah, closest thing to that is the speedstep technology
[07:55] <HaloGray> no fan settings
[07:55] <HaloGray> there are however, plenty of different ways to put www.dell.com in their bios
[07:55] <HaloGray> unfortunately, there is very little of use in there
[07:56] <HaloGray> how can I see what driver is being used for video?
[07:56] <HaloGray> going through gnome shows me what is detected, but doesn't show me a driver/driver version
[07:57] <HaloGray> fans just kicked in btw
[07:57] <Ribs> glxinfo
[07:57] <tsw> HaloGray: /var/log/XF86.log.0 or something like that has everything that X uses
[07:57] <Marudubshinki> Again, does anyone know how to get Electric Sheep running in Ubuntu?
[07:58] <Marudubshinki> www.electricsheep.org
[07:58] <Marudubshinki> it is a fractal flame screensaver
[07:58] <Marudubshinki> better than any of the packaged ones
[07:58] <kezz> isn't there a manual?
[07:58] <HaloGray> path for me is /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[07:59] <tsw> HaloGray: couldnt remeber and too lazy to check :)
[07:59] <KreacH> ubuntu crashes on the savers here :S
[07:59] <Marudubshinki> but it seems that it has some dependencies on RPMs which don't work on Ubuntu
[08:00] <sir_latin> hey, how can I install fluxbox in ubuntu and remove gnome?
[08:00] <prox2far> mar...: have you tried adding the two universe servers and using apt-get electricsheep
[08:00] <tsw> Marudubshinki: did you get the debian version?
[08:00] <sir_latin> or just use fluxbox..
[08:00] <Marudubshinki> universe servers?
[08:00] <sir_latin> I'm gonna install it in an old computer :)
[08:00] <sir_latin> right now I'm running it on vmware to check it out
[08:00] <Marudubshinki> and yeah, but as I said the Debian still relies on some previous rpms
[08:00] <HaloGray> XFree86.0.log sez: ATI driver (version 6.5.5) for chipsets: ati
[08:01] <HaloGray> Among supported chipsets is my 9600 Mobility
[08:01] <HaloGray> So I suppose that's ok
[08:01] <HaloGray> but the card certanly seems to be working very hard for no good reason
[08:01] <tsw> Marudubshinki: shouldnt need any rpms.. deps maybe
[08:01] <prox2far> mar...: I'm not running Ubuntu now and can't quite remember how you ad them there's an instruction on the ubuntu site
[08:02] <tsw> HaloGray: it could be that it doesnt have proper acceleration yet
[08:02] <HaloGray> I just don't want to smoke my card again
[08:02] <Marudubshinki>  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.6), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= <IP_ADDRESS>-4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxv1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf, curl, xloadimage, libjpeg-progs
[08:02] <Marudubshinki> this is taken from the installation command line, tsw
[08:02] <HaloGray> I haven't had this laptop more than a couple of months
[08:02] <HaloGray> if I return it twice for the same issue Dell may raise an eyebrow
[08:03] <tsw> HaloGray: maybe you could call dells support to ask for linux drivers :D
[08:03] <HaloGray> hahahahaha Dell's 'support'
[08:03] <tsw> Marudubshinki: and apt-get doesnt find those?
[08:03] <Marudubshinki> not all.
[08:03] <HaloGray> The first time this card died it took TWO HOURS on the phone with their support before they'd accept it
[08:03] <HaloGray> It would boot, give 2 bios code beeps for 'No video' and that was it
[08:03] <Marudubshinki>  'libjpeg-progs for one
[08:04] <HaloGray> TWO HOURS to get them to determine it was no good
[08:04] <mifune> hi. im a total linux n00b. how do i mount an windows disk?
[08:04] <tsw> :)
[08:04] <Marudubshinki> xloadimage for another
[08:04] <HaloGray> ntfs?
[08:04] <HaloGray> mifune?
[08:04] <mifune> no
[08:04] <mifune> fat 32
[08:04] <Seq> HaloGray: thats as good as the two months it took gateway to re-affix the display cable in my notebook
[08:04] <tsw> mifune: and what disk is it?
[08:04] <HaloGray> I'm not positive then
[08:05] <HaloGray> you have to edit /etc/fstab
[08:05] <HaloGray> but I'm not sure how exactly for fat32 partitions
[08:05] <HaloGray> Seq: It wasn't so bad once they got it
[08:05] <prox2far> mifune: try looking here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=mount%20windows
[08:05] <Seq> mifune: mount -t vfat /dev/yourwindowspartition /wherever/you/want/it
[08:05] <bkuebler> mount -t vfat /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever_you_want
[08:05] <bkuebler> damn.
[08:05] <bkuebler> lol
[08:05] <HaloGray> It only took them a week to get it, repair it, and send it back
[08:06] <drspin> HaloGray: mount -t cfat /dev/what /mnt/what
[08:06] <drspin> HaloGray: cfat = vfat
[08:06] <drspin> ;)
[08:06] <drspin> sorry
[08:06] <bkuebler> drspin comes in third
[08:06] <drspin> LOl
[08:06] <drspin> LOL
[08:06] <drspin> my hands are cold and I came in late ;)
[08:06] <HaloGray> wikis are a wonderful thing
[08:06] <prox2far> wiki rocks
[08:06] <bkuebler> mifune, there is an easier way too.
[08:06] <Seq> HaloGray: mine i swear was a loose display cable. the image would go wonky, and you tilt the screen and its fine
[08:06] <bkuebler> un ubuntu at least.
[08:06] <tsw> drspin: you need to type faster to get your hands warm again :)
[08:07] <HaloGray> Seq, if that happens again, and your warranty is out you should be able to fix that yourself
[08:07] <HaloGray> the video cable is usually right near the top of the keyboard on laptops
[08:07] <Seq> HaloGray: i know, i just didnt want to void the warranty
[08:07] <HaloGray> pop the keyboard out, you can probably plug it in with ease
[08:07] <drspin> tsw: I suppose I should :D
[08:07] <mifune> im going to look at that fstab file, with that link that prox2far gave me
[08:07] <HaloGray> yeah, if you're still on warranty it's best to send it in
[08:08] <HaloGray> regardless of how slow their service is
[08:08] <Seq> HaloGray: it didn't seem to be the end that connects under the keyboard, because i did check that
[08:08] <drspin> warranty rules!
[08:08] <drspin> it's like free stuff... except you already pid for it ;)
[08:08] <Seq> HaloGray: anyway, they replaced the motherboard and lcd, so how can i complain
[08:08] <HaloGray> yeah
[08:08] <HaloGray> well, I'm off now
[08:08] <HaloGray> thanks for the help again guys
[08:08] <Seq> except the dead battery they sent it back woth
[08:08] <tsw> HP had nice warranty one call and they came pick it up the next day.. and it came back two days later
[08:11] <prox2far> well see you later guys and girls
[08:17] <MunDy-> i still couldnt get X to run =(
[08:18] <MunDy-> I did everything outlined here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=radeon
[08:18] <MunDy-> but X still wont run
[08:18] <drspin> could somone tell me how to add a helpful wiki-page??
[08:19] <MunDy-> error messeage is: I cannot start the X server. It is likely that it is not set up properly
[08:19] <MunDy-> then asks if i wanna see the error log
[08:19] <MunDy-> if i got yes it just says its a pre-release of X and gives me addresses for bugs etc
[08:20] <MunDy-> i assume X doesnt like my video card =(
[08:20] <sensebend> your card is supported
[08:21] <sensebend> it's probably something in your configuration
[08:21] <drspin> I assume that X is configured wrong!
[08:21] <MunDy-> i assume that too...
[08:21] <Quest-Master> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:21] <MunDy-> how can i find the where its gone wrong?
[08:21] <drspin> whoa - I'm rude... I'm going to take a break... sorry bout that MunDy ;)
[08:21] <Quest-Master> I'm getting that when I try to compile MPlayer with GUI
[08:22] <MunDy-> lol, its ok drspin
[08:22] <drspin_AFK> MunDy-: ;)
[08:22] <MunDy-> sensebend: how can i find out whats wrong?
[08:23] <sensebend> look at /var/log/ and find the xserver log
[08:23] <sensebend> open that up and see what the problem is
[08:23] <MunDy-> how would i do that?
[08:23] <sensebend> or paste the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file to #flood
[08:23] <MunDy-> MunDy- = very little linux experience
[08:24] <sensebend> are you booted into Linux now?
[08:24] <mindphasr> Is ubuntu faster than debian or is it just me? Seems as if gnome runs almost 2x as fast
[08:24] <MunDy-> no, im on same computer, except windows =( not the best way to do things, but i have no alternative
[08:25] <MunDy-> give me some commands and i'll write then down
[08:25] <Quest-Master> Anyone? :\
[08:25] <Quest-Master> Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation
[08:28] <Quest-Master> This is weird
[08:28] <Quest-Master> I got MPlayer to compile before I reinstalled
[08:28] <MunDy-> uhh.... i think i'm just gunna go back to Fedora...
[08:28] <Quest-Master> What's your problem Mundy?
[08:29] <sensebend> he's having X trouble
[08:29] <Quest-Master> haha
[08:29] <Quest-Master> Same here.
[08:29] <MunDy-> X doesnt like me =( :P
[08:29] <Quest-Master> In ./configure, it says it can't find X11
[08:29] <Quest-Master> How can I not have X11 is what I want to know
[08:30] <sensebend> dunno all I want is a repo with a working mplayer for hoary :)
[08:30] <sensebend> don't want to even attempt to build it :)
[08:30] <jono> hi al
[08:30] <Quest-Master> I want a working MPlayer for Warty :\
[08:30] <jono> all
[08:30] <stuNNed> sensebend, marillat's repo works but you need to import his key with apt-key
[08:31] <jono> I have a dual processor g5 with 4 gig of ram - I would like to use it to help ubuntu possibly, is there any requirements for building 64 bit ppc packages?
[08:32] <sensebend> ugh, very nice jono
[08:32] <jono> its a beast
[08:33] <ArCHoNKoG> Quest-Master, i want one for hoary
[08:33] <sensebend> hmm
[08:33] <jono> so do the ubuntu devs need any processing power
[08:33] <Quest-Master> Wow jono.. awesome machine there.
[08:33] <jono> I was thinking about making ppc openoffice builds
[08:33] <jono> any idea how long openoffice would take to build on it?
[08:34] <Ribs> jono, *forever*
[08:34] <jono> Ribs: really?
[08:34] <Ribs> unless you have a top-notch G5, you'd be there for days
[08:35] <Ribs> I wouldn't even attempt it on anything less than a G4
[08:35] <jono> Ribs: well this is a dual processor 2ghz g5 with 4gb ram and 250gb disk space
[08:35] <Ribs> oh well, 20 minutes then
[08:35] <jono> really?
[08:35] <Ribs> ...
[08:35] <sensebend> that seems  a bit short
[08:35] <Ribs> dude, openoffice is a huge project
[08:35] <jono> I know
[08:35] <sensebend> ;)
[08:35] <Ribs> I wasn't serious when I said 20 minutes
[08:36] <jono> hence looking for an estimate
[08:36] <jono> I know
[08:36] <jono> I estimate on the machine it would take a couple of days
[08:36] <Ribs> my only experience of compiling that beast is on a Althon-XP
[08:36] <jonc> jono -- takes me about 16 hours on a 1.6GHZ P4 with 512MB RAM.
[08:36] <Ribs> it took around 12 hours, I think
[08:36] <Ribs> and, of course, you don't want it to fail near the end
[08:36] <Ribs> 'cos then you'll just break down and cry
[08:36] <jono> jonc: right, so I could maybe do it in and around 10 hours then
[08:36] <Ribs> you'll cry like a baby
[08:37] <sensebend> well you can't directly compare clockspeed between PCC and x86
[08:37] <jonc> Yeah.  I'd think so.  Maybe a bit less.
[08:37] <jono> cool
[08:40] <jonc> Anybody know how to mount an initrd image?
[08:41] <sir_latin> is it possible to install other window managers in ubuntu?
[08:42] <grepper> jonc, mount -o loop
[08:42] <ArCHoNKoG> sir_latin, yes
[08:42] <stuNNed> sensebend, download marillat's key, save it to a text file like marillat.asc then import it with apt-key add marillat.asc, might as well get ubuntu-keyring as well
[08:42] <jonc> grepper -- it gets angry when I do that.
[08:42] <grepper> what is the full command you are using ?
[08:43] <sir_latin> ArCHoNKoG: how? I tried to check out with the package system, and apt-get. But they are not there. does it mean I have to do this manually and make it eventually unstable?
[08:43] <jonc> mount -o loop -t romfs initrd.img [mount point]
[08:43] <sensebend> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[08:43] <sensebend> downloaded the .gpg file from the repo
[08:43] <grepper> forget the -t
[08:43] <sir_latin> ArCHoNKoG: I've installed it on a VM, and planning to install it on a Pentium 233 Mhz MMX with 48 MB RAM, so I'd rather not use Gnome...
[08:43] <grepper> mount -o loop initrd.img /mountpoint
[08:43] <arctick> is there a cdripper that supports cddb? sound juicer dosnt seem to
[08:43] <jonc>  mount -o loop initrd.img initrd
[08:43] <jonc> ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[08:43] <jonc> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:45] <grepper> $ mount -o loop initrd /mnt/temp
[08:45] <grepper> [root@phebehouse boot]  $
[08:45] <jonc> Drugs are bad.
[08:45] <Quest-Master> I'm going to pull out 64MB RAM out of my bro's computer and put it in mine 8)
[08:45] <Quest-Master> hehe
[08:45] <jonc> Weird..
[08:46] <grepper> jonc, do you have anything else mounted using the loop device ?
[08:47] <jonc> Was just checking on that.
[08:47] <jonc> Doesn't look like it, but the "must specify filesystem type" warning goes away if I give it a specific loopback device to use.
[08:48] <jonc> Odd.
[08:48] <jonc> Well, depending on which loopback device I give it, anyhow.
[08:48] <grepper> that makes sense
[08:48] <jonc> Devices 0 and 1 produce no warning, but 2 complains that I need to give it a filesystem type.
[08:48] <jonc> Yeah?
[08:49] <grepper> well, its probably just an error message as a result of the first, not necessarily a useful instruction
[08:49] <jonc> Fair enough.
[08:50] <grepper> yeah, -o loop -t cramfs  works just as well . . . dunno
[08:50] <grepper> ps aux|grep loop ?
[08:51] <jonc> root     22403  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S<   14:42   0:00 [loop0]
[08:51] <jonc> root     22419  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S<   14:43   0:00 [loop1]
[08:51] <jonc> root     22506  0.0  0.0     0    0 ?        S<   14:47   0:00 [loop2]
[08:51] <jonc> root     22550  0.0  0.1  1472  520 pts/0    S+   14:50   0:00 grep loop
[08:51] <jonc> And then they just keep showing up as I try to use them.
[08:51] <grepper> you have 3 images mounted ?
[08:52] <jonc> (i.e. if I do -o loop=/dev/loop3, it'll appear there)
[08:52] <jonc> None successfully.
[08:52] <grepper> try killing them and trying again
[08:52] <jonc> They don't seem to want to be killed normally..  guess I'll try -9..
[08:53] <ArCHoNKoG> does anyone know how to make app lancher for apps in hoary
[08:53] <jonc> Yeah.  So kill -9 doesn't do a thing, either.  Is there some other way I should be tackling this?
[08:55] <grepper> not sure
[08:56] <jonc> Huh..
[08:57] <grepper> jonc:  losetup -d  perhaps
[08:58] <jonc> Ah -- excellent call.
[08:58] <jonc> Still back with the original problem of it not actually mounting, though.
[08:58] <jonc> Eats a loopback device, but doesn't actually do anything useful with it.
[08:59] <grepper> when you mount it, what does losetup /dev/loop<N>  say ?
[08:59] <joolz> hello everybody
[08:59] <grepper> # losetup /dev/loop0
[08:59] <grepper> /dev/loop0: [0303] :13 (initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386)
[08:59] <joolz> i have a problem with a new dual boot ubuntu installation
[09:00] <IBOIC> hey
[09:00] <joolz> i can't boot from win2k anymore, and when i mount the win2k fat32 partition all firectories look like files, size 0, type unknown
[09:00] <joolz> am i doing something wrong?
[09:00] <jonc> Interesting.
[09:00] <jonc> # losetup /dev/loop0
[09:00] <jonc> /dev/loop0: [0304] :11313838 (initrd.img)
[09:01] <grepper> heh
[09:01] <joolz> the same system used to run on fedora dual boot with win2k, then it worked fine
[09:01] <grepper> jonc, and "ls /your/mountpoint" shows it as empty ?
[09:01] <IBOIC> joolz:   libparted bug?
[09:01] <joolz> IBOIC: maybe. how can i tell?
[09:01] <IBOIC> joolz:  can u get into grub but it just wont go to windows?
[09:02] <IBOIC> joolz:  does grub come up?
[09:02] <jonc> grepper -- this wouldn't be fun if it wasn't empty, now would it? ;)
[09:02] <joolz> IBOIC: when I choose windows in grub, i get a grub prompt
[09:02] <joolz> when i choose ub. in grud it boots just fine
[09:02] <IBOIC> it brings u back to grub?
[09:02] <joolz> grub that is
[09:02] <joolz> yes
[09:02] <IBOIC> joolz:  When u do windows in grub, what happens?
[09:02] <grepper> jonc, I have been helping on irc for quite and while and have seen much worse ;)
[09:02] <joolz> IBOIC: i get a grub prompt
[09:02] <IBOIC> it brings u back to grub?
[09:02] <grepper> no insult intended
[09:02] <joolz> IBOIC: yes
[09:02] <IBOIC> hmmmm
[09:02] <jonc> None taken.
[09:03] <joolz> IBOIC: any idea?
[09:03] <grepper> jonc, heck, I have *done* much worse myself
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz:  Cause with the libparted bug it actually went to a blank screen after u selected it
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz that was fixed in the new upstream
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz will be fixed with hoary
[09:03] <IBOIC> but
[09:03] <joolz> IBOIC: i did all the updates
[09:03] <IBOIC> i dont know if its the same thing
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz:  Can u download to test?
[09:03] <joolz> IBOIC: maybe I should go to hoary then?
[09:03] <IBOIC> joolz:  download array 2
[09:04] <IBOIC> joolz:  And see if it fixes the problem
[09:04] <joolz> IBOIC: where do I find it?
[09:04] <IBOIC> if it doesnt then report the bug
[09:04] <jonc> But, yeah..  eats the device, says it's mounted, directory is empty.
[09:04] <jonc> file insists that it is not an empty image.
[09:04] <IBOIC> joolz:  * Upgraded parted by several upstream versions; while this changed API/ABI so several other packages needed to be rebuilt, this is believed finally to correct the problem where Ubuntu installations rendered Windows unbootable with certain partition table layouts and BIOS versions (#1566). Please test.
[09:04] <jonc> `file`
[09:04] <IBOIC> joolz:  im not 100% if this is your problem or not
[09:05] <jonc> OH.
[09:05] <joolz> IBOIC: it's worth at try
[09:05] <IBOIC> joolz:  Try the array 2, it wont go into x tho
[09:05] <IBOIC> joolz:  array 2 has other issues but u can configure x yourself
[09:05] <jonc> Waaaait a second..  this is a big-endian image from a PPC box.  I'm trying to repair it from my x86 box.  Could that be screwing with things?
[09:06] <joolz> IBOIC: how do I try the array 2? I only know array as a datatype :)
[09:06] <IBOIC> joolz http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/releases/hoary/array-2/
[09:06] <joolz> IBOIC: ok, thanks!
[09:06] <IBOIC> joolz:  Try it for the partitioning bug to see if it works
[09:06] <IBOIC> if its still a bug report it
[09:06] <IBOIC> i want this quashed, its a showstopper for some :)
[09:06] <IBOIC> like me
[09:06] <IBOIC> the new one fixes it tho
[09:06] <IBOIC> for me
[09:06] <grepper> jonc, sounds like as good an explaination as any
[09:06] <joolz> array2 is a whole new install?
[09:07] <grepper> I was about to ask if the initrd was a 0 byte file :)
[09:07] <IBOIC> joolz yes
[09:07] <joolz> can't i edit sources.apt to do this automagically for me?
[09:07] <IBOIC> joolz:  No
[09:07] <joolz> IBOIC: ok, tx
[09:07] <IBOIC> joolz:  its a problem with the installer i heard
[09:07] <jonc> Nah -- about 4 megs.
[09:07] <jonc> Hrm..  and that's not it.
[09:08] <joolz> IBOIC: hope I haven't ruined the windows partition. There's data on them
[09:08] <jonc> The native initrd is producing exactly the same problem.
[09:08] <IBOIC> joolz:  dunno
[09:08] <joolz> IBOIC: :)
[09:08] <IBOIC> joolz:  Just redo the mbr in windows
[09:08] <IBOIC> for me i just redid the mbr with fixmbr
[09:08] <IBOIC> and it was fine after that
[09:08] <Guardiann> damm this distro is fast
[09:08] <joolz> IBOIC: fixmbr is on the win2k cd then, i guess?
[09:09] <sobralense> a bit broken if u're using hoary =P , but warty is fast
[09:09] <IBOIC> joolz im not sure on win2k, for xp pro, its on the cd where u go into recovery console
[09:09] <joolz> IBOIC: ok, i'll go and have a look
[09:09] <Guardiann> how do you tell if your using warty
[09:09] <IBOIC> joolz:  ubuntu is ALMOST ready for all............
[09:10] <IBOIC> just need to fix a few nasty config bugs
[09:10] <IBOIC> hoary for ALL!
[09:10] <IBOIC> :)
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: i never had any problems (about 5 installs so far). This is the first one
[09:10] <IBOIC> joolz:  Hmm different machine?
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: yes
[09:10] <IBOIC> joolz:  What system?
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: all six different
[09:10] <IBOIC> joolz:  What motherboard on this one or make of system
[09:10] <joolz> IBOIC: "R&R Data" :)
[09:11] <jonc> grepper -- Just associated a loop device with the file using losetup.  Trying to mount the loopback device itself (mount /dev/loop0...), but it needs a filesystem type.
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz what brand motherboard?
[09:11] <joolz> motherboard, i have no idea
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz ok
[09:11] <jonc> Any idea what it wants?
[09:11] <joolz> how do I find it
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz:  with my dell i had a problem
[09:11] <IBOIC> joolz:  Dimension 8300
[09:11] <IBOIC> i was curious as to which systems
[09:11] <joolz> IBOIC: it's not a Dell, that much i know :)
[09:11] <IBOIC> it could be a bios thing
[09:11] <IBOIC> oh well :P
[09:12] <Guardiann> anyone know how to get Java working with Firefox using Ubuntu
[09:12] <jonc> OH.  Heh.  You know what would really help this process along?
[09:13] <jonc> Me compiling cramfs support into my kernel ;)
[09:13] <joolz> tx IBOIC, cu
[09:14] <zerokarmaleft> Guardiann, check http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre-mozilla
[09:15] <Guardiann> zerokarmaleft thankyou
[09:15] <jonc> Mm..  cramfs support doesn't seem to be making much of a difference.
[09:18] <imac> ...
[09:19] <imac> is this thing working?
[09:19] <Guardiann> hmm that didnt work
[09:20] <imac> okay thanks, i will try something else
[09:20] <imac> any idea on how to set-up a printer?
[09:21] <cinco> how can i login as "superuser" since the install dont give you anytime to wright the password ?
[09:21] <kezz> use sudo
[09:21] <kezz> and use ur normal password
[09:21] <cinco> sudo as user on the login?
[09:22] <sobralense> =( Made some mistakes here.. I uninstalled all the packages named with "cups" and gnome has gone  =P
[09:22] <sobralense> does have a way to remove cups and dont fuc...k gnome?
[09:22] <kezz> cinco, no log in as a normal user
[09:22] <zerokarmaleft> Guardiann, you've got jre installed properly?
[09:22] <kezz> then open a terminal and use sudo <command> to do stuff as root
[09:22] <imac> the drivers for the printer seemed to install okay, and print status is printing; but not action from the printer
[09:23] <Guardiann> with ubuntu its an rpm correct?
[09:23] <kezz> deb
[09:23] <bkuebler> cinco, if you really want to, you can sudo passwd root
[09:23] <zerokarmaleft> Guardiann, .bin with these instructions... http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[09:24] <cinco> thankyou
[09:31] <cinco> XFree cant find my screen, so I cant start up X.. any clue to what i could do yo fix it?
[09:32] <Guardiann> zerokarmaleft does Ubuntu use the Java rpm ?
[09:33] <siretart> Guardiann: no. ubuntu is debian based
[09:33] <xiximkopp> has anybody a working nvidia driver (close source) with glx in hoary???
[09:33] <kezz> guardian you need to get the binary .bin package
[09:34] <Guardiann> thanks
[09:34] <Guardiann> what makes this distro so fast
[09:34] <siretart> Guardiann: get the 1.4.2 bin file, and produce a debian package with java-package, which you install
[09:35] <kezz> or just ./package.bin in the relevant folder
[09:35] <jonc> Guardian -- it's fast because it's made of technology.
[09:36] <Guardiann> :)
[09:36] <siretart> kezz: I would not recommend that. it does not integrate into ubuntu as nicely as with java-package
[09:36] <Guardiann> its incredibly quick
[09:36] <kezz> ah fair enough
[09:36] <kezz> ive only been using it for a couple of days
[09:37] <xiximkopp> anybody has a working 3d-accelrated nvidia enviroment in hoary??
[09:37] <Seq> there are full java instructions on the wiki, as well
[09:39] <imac> any ubuntu savy users that can answer a printing question?
[09:40] <sobralense> dont talk about printing.. remember me the cups that I removed and gnome gone together
[09:43] <imac> eh? removing cups?
[09:43] <sobralense> removed some gnome libs
[09:43] <imac> icy
[09:44] <sobralense> maybe was because I put together universe, hoary stable and some non oficial at source list
[09:46] <Guardiann> zerokarmaleft Thankyou I got it running
[09:46] <zerokarmaleft> sure thing
[09:56] <imac> ...
[09:56] <imac> 4
[09:57] <Guardiann> does ubuntu come with a c compiler
[09:57] <Amaranth> Guardiann: try gcc -v
[09:58] <Guardiann> command not found
[09:59] <kezz> no gcc?
[10:00] <Guardiann> nope
[10:00] <kezz> good point
[10:00] <siretart> Guardiann: apt-get install build-essential
[10:00] <kezz> have to install that then
[10:00] <siretart> Guardiann: then you get a c compiler. it is not installed by default
[10:00] <Guardiann> ah ok as root?
[10:00] <siretart> Guardiann: yes, prepend sudo
[10:02] <Guardiann> nice now how do i get glib
[10:03] <bkuebler> Guardiann, have you looked at synaptic yet?
[10:03] <Guardiann> no just installed
[10:04] <Guardiann> where would that be
[10:04] <wolverian> hmm, my hoary won't boot into gnome anymore. any recent breakages I don't know about? :)
[10:05] <siretart> Guardiann: sudo apt-get install libglib-dev
[10:05] <bkuebler> Guardiann, hit alt+f2 and typ ein synaptic
[10:06] <Guardiann> must run as root
[10:07] <kezz> sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[10:07] <siretart> Guardiann: try alt+f2 and "gksudo synaptic"
[10:08] <kezz> or click computer->configuration->synaptic
[10:08] <kezz> system configuration*
[10:09] <bkuebler> let me ask this...
[10:10] <bkuebler> I just installed ubuntu on my sisters laptop.. I don't use it.
[10:10] <bkuebler> Why don't more of you just do 'sudo passwd root' ?
[10:11] <zenrox> i chouse not to
[10:11] <bkuebler> I only ask out of curiousity.
[10:11] <zenrox> chose
[10:11] <zenrox> i think sudo is better
[10:11] <zenrox> i like my root but not when sudo does it better for me
[10:11] <zenrox> to get to root is more steps
[10:12] <zenrox> sudo cuts a lote of that out
[10:12] <zenrox> imho
[10:12] <siretart> bkuebler: why should we? whats the advantage of doing that?
[10:13] <Haukkari> umm
[10:13] <Haukkari> I do have a password on root
[10:13] <Haukkari> So I don't have to write sudo in front every time I do stuff
[10:13] <bkuebler> well, I guess it's just what you get used to. I thought it was a pain in the ass to keep having to sudo everytime I wanted to edit  something in /etc
[10:13] <Haukkari> It's just that I'm not used to sudoing, I'm sure it's just as good a way as anything
[10:14] <bkuebler> exactly.
[10:14] <kezz> sudo /bin/bash
[10:14] <siretart> Haukkari: try "sudo -s"
[10:14] <siretart> Haukkari: if you need $HOME to be /root, use "sudo -s -H"
[10:14] <Haukkari> wow.
[10:14] <Amaranth> bkuebler: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:15] <bkuebler> cool.. thanks for the info.
[10:16] <Amaranth> Haukkari: sudo passwd -l root
[10:16] <IBOIC> from korean to chinese
[10:16] <IBOIC> :P
[10:16] <bkuebler> they must have a good reason to do it.
[10:16] <cartman> how can I run a command on every startup?
[10:16] <IBOIC> :P
[10:16] <Amaranth> bkuebler: security by obscurity, actually
[10:16] <IBOIC> i want my ubuntu with that please
[10:17] <bkuebler> cartman, put it in rc.local
[10:17] <Amaranth> bkuebler: everyone knows that root exists and can try to break into a machine with it
[10:17] <IBOIC> when is array 3 gonna come out
[10:17] <IBOIC> i want to put ubuntu back on my system
[10:17] <bkuebler> Amaranth, very true...
[10:17] <cartman> bkuebler: where is it?
[10:17] <Amaranth> bkuebler: but with your own account being the account that you work from they need to know the username and the password
[10:17] <AndyR> IBOIC, you going to do the translation?
[10:17] <cinco> anyone that has had trouble with radeon x800pro and lcd screen?
[10:17] <IBOIC> andyr:  Ill volunteer to help in any way i can
[10:17] <maps73> cartman, try tu use rc.x?
[10:17] <bkuebler> Amaranth, I just don't allow root logins.
[10:17] <IBOIC> andyr:  What translation is needed ? :)
[10:18] <bkuebler> I guess it's sort of the same thing.
[10:18] <cartman> maps73: looks like the only solution hmmpf
[10:18] <siretart> cartman: install a cronjob with time @reboot
[10:18] <AndyR> IBOIC, i have no idea, im not a developer
[10:18] <maps73> cartman, why?
[10:18] <IBOIC> andyr:  Oh
[10:18] <Amaranth> bkuebler: sudo passwd -l root locks the root account for you
[10:18] <kezz> cartman put it in your rc scripts
[10:18] <bkuebler> cool..
[10:18] <Amaranth> bkuebler: locking ssh access to it isn't enough if someone has physical access to your machine and limited time
[10:18] <bkuebler> Right..
[10:19] <bkuebler> I don't allow local logins either.
[10:19] <bkuebler> you have to su to it.
[10:19] <IBOIC> linux distros need to start merging resources
[10:19] <IBOIC> too many distros
[10:19] <IBOIC> of the small ones i mean
[10:19] <Amaranth> IBOIC: countries need to start merging resources
[10:19] <AndyR> but having been part of a dev team for another dist i know it is a pain when ppl want all the time
[10:19] <Amaranth> too many countries
[10:19] <rushibhai> hi all. anyone have opinions about hoary vs warty for amd64?
[10:19] <Amaranth> of the small ones i mean
[10:19] <Amaranth> :P
[10:19] <IBOIC> amaranth:  They are........... european union for example
[10:20] <IBOIC> amaranth:  nafta in the usa
[10:20] <IBOIC> err americas
[10:20] <IBOIC> amaranth:  Its happening........
[10:20] <Amaranth> that's economic convergence
[10:20] <IBOIC> amaranth:  With linux distros tho its like you have literally hundreds of em
[10:21] <IBOIC> and much of them replicate each other
[10:21] <se5a> When I run the synaptic package manager I keep getting "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root: child terminated with 1 status
[10:21] <kezz> se5a did you change ur root pass?
[10:21] <se5a> yea
[10:21] <kezz> try running it with ur notmal pass
[10:22] <kezz> se5a, you can run it from a terminal using sudo /usr/sbin/synaptic if you changed the root pass
[10:22] <IBOIC> distrowatch went down
[10:22] <IBOIC> was gonna see what new distros there are and how ubuntu was ranked :P
[10:22] <se5a> ok
[10:24] <bkuebler> IBOIC, http://distrowatch.planetmirror.com/
[10:25] <IBOIC> not working either
[10:25] <IBOIC> my isp is prolly the ones with issues
[10:25] <IBOIC> oh there it came up
[10:25] <IBOIC> my cable provider sucks
[10:26] <bkuebler> they have several mirrors if that one is slow
[10:26] <IBOIC> mediainlinux
[10:26] <IBOIC> livecd with gnome
[10:26] <IBOIC> lol
[10:26] <bkuebler> http://distrowatch.linuxcult.com/ is faster
[10:26] <IBOIC> see another replications :)
[10:27] <IBOIC> mediainlinux, why would someone want a media cd not installed
[10:27] <IBOIC> since media files take alot of space
[10:27] <IBOIC> interesting tho
[10:27] <IBOIC> :P
[10:40] <drspin> yummy netsplit
[10:49] <se5a> I need to find an ANSI C compiler, what should I look for?
[10:50] <siretart> se5a: apt-get install build-essential
[10:51] <ik5pvx> how is support for G5 ?
[10:51] <imac> ,.,
[10:52] <kezz> se5a: gcc?
[10:54] <se5a> says I already have apt-get, trying gcc
[10:54] <se5a> gcc worked!
[10:54] <kezz> no you need to install build-essentials , it will then install a build environment
[10:54] <kezz> including gcc
[10:54] <se5a> oh right
[11:04] <imac> ...
[11:10] <warty> I just installed ubuntu and am getting an error about pciehp and shpchp. on the ubuntu faq it says to blacklist them and that its not a big deal
[11:10] <warty> however, its a big deal because I hang after I get those errors
[11:10] <warty> i hang whether I blacklist those modules or not
[11:13] <Mojo_Jojo_> Hi, in hoary how do I stop the windows from grouping together?
[11:13] <seb128> ie ?
[11:14] <grepper> Mojo_Jojo_, r-click on the edge of the window list applet
[11:15] <grepper> you'll see "preferences"
[11:15] <Mojo_Jojo_> dont see it :s
[11:15] <grepper> maybe you mean something different
[11:15] <Mojo_Jojo_> grepper,  I can see "properties"
[11:16] <seb128> yep
[11:16] <seb128> you have an option for grouping or not here
[11:16] <seb128> but not sure if that's what you want
[11:16] <grepper> I'll talking about the  taskbar like applet
[11:16] <Mojo_Jojo_> nothing in panel properties
[11:16] <seb128> not, the stuff grouping the apps
[11:17] <kezz> ur r-clicking the wrong bit
[11:17] <grepper> not on the panel, on the little bar to the left of the window list applet
[11:17] <seb128> on the left of it
[11:17] <Mojo_Jojo_> in nautilus???
[11:18] <seb128> that's why I was asking "ie ?"
[11:18] <seb128> could you provide some details
[11:18] <seb128> grouping what ?
[11:18] <Doomahmmer> hello
[11:18] <Doomahmmer> anyone wanna help me for a minute? :)
[11:18] <seb128> you are speaking about the applet on the panel to list the open windows
[11:18] <seb128> with the titles ?
[11:18] <seb128> don't ask to ask, just ask
[11:18] <Doomahmmer> does Ubuntu come with GCC and GTK+?
[11:18] <Mojo_Jojo_> oh, I ment when I have more then one of the same applicion open it "groups" in the bottem panel and it's annoying
[11:19] <seb128> "come with" ? libgtk2.0-0 is installed by default yes
[11:19] <Doomahmmer> then why can't XMMS see it? :?
[11:19] <seb128> there is not build environment in the standard install but you can apt-get it
[11:19] <seb128> or use synaptic
[11:19] <seb128> or whatever
[11:19] <poningru> query: Do you guys know where I can get the installer .iso with the new 2.6 kernel
[11:19] <Doomahmmer> hmmm i've never used APT -- before I tried Ubuntu just now I was a Gentoo man
[11:19] <drspin> Warty has 2.6
[11:20] <Doomahmmer> how would I apt-get GCC?
[11:20] <seb128> what do you use ? synaptic ?
[11:20] <seb128> apt-cache search gcc
[11:20] <seb128> apt-cache search gcc --names-only even
[11:20] <zenwhen> Doomahmmer, apt-get install build-essential
[11:20] <Doomahmmer> Gentoo uses a debian-ish package manager called Portage
[11:20] <seb128> you can apt-get install xmms too
[11:20] <poningru> really? because when I install it, one of the things that says is 2.4
[11:21] <Doomahmmer> ah, thanks zenwhen and seb128 -- i'll try that
[11:21] <poningru> not 2.6
[11:21] <zenwhen> You can apt-get install most anything
[11:21] <seb128> Mojo_Jojo_: the area with the applications listed
[11:21] <poningru> torrent from the website
[11:21] <Doomahmmer> same with portage -- apt seems to be very similar
[11:21] <seb128> there is an anchor on the left
[11:21] <seb128> right click on it
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> so XMMS still says that it can't find GTK+ installed ... how do I get it to see it?
[11:22] <Mojo_Jojo_> ahh ok there we go :D:D thanks seb128 :)
[11:22] <Guardiann> i just had the same problem
[11:22] <zenwhen> Doomahmmer, why are you building xmms from source anyway?
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> when I run /usr/bin/xmms it says "can't open libgtk-1.2.so.0"
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> i was trying to because i didn't know that Ubuntu had a package manager
[11:22] <kezz> anybody suggest a reason why cd playback volume is really low but sounds effects are normal
[11:22] <Doomahmmer> i couldn't build it, so i installed the RPM
[11:22] <siretart> Doomahmmer: apt-get build-dep xmms
[11:23] <Mojo_Jojo_> one more Q how do I enable dma on my hdc and hda and add dma on boot :D
[11:23] <Doomahmmer> Mojo: edit /etc/fstab
[11:23] <Doomahmmer> i think you can set up DMA in there ...
[11:23] <searcher`> kezz: from the terminal, try alsamixer
[11:23] <seb128> Doomahmmer: apt-get install xmms
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo_> I don't know how to add in dma :s
[11:24] <seb128> Doomahmmer: why not using the package, it'll grab the depends
[11:24] <Doomahmmer> i think it does it by default -- are you sure it isn't enabled?
[11:24] <searcher`> Mojo_Jojo_: you can use hdparm for that .. but check if it's enabled yeah
[11:24] <Mojo_Jojo_> how do I check?
[11:24] <searcher`> hdparm -i /dev/hda
[11:24] <irbdavid> hiya, i have a question: if i d/l a few .deb packages now (while i'm on broadband), will i be able to install them on ubuntu when i get it installed?
[11:24] <searcher`> or just leave out the -i
[11:25] <Doomahmmer> my Seagate IDE drive is using DMA
[11:25] <searcher`> irbdavid: dpkg -i <package.deb>
[11:25] <searcher`> irbdavid: so, yes :-)
[11:25] <searcher`> make sure you check all the dependencies
[11:25] <irbdavid> yeah. does ubuntu have a package management thing like apt-get then?
[11:25] <Doomahmmer> it has exactly that: apt-get
[11:26] <zenwhen> lol
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> kickass, XMMS can play my MP3s
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> that media player that was installed by default sucked ass
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> XMMS rules
[11:26] <zenwhen> I dont like rhythmbox much either.
[11:26] <Mojo_Jojo_> ok, dma is on...I guess but why do my videos seem to lag like it misses a few frames? BTW it happens to dvds also
[11:26] <Doomahmmer> :D
[11:26] <kezz> searcher: thanks but that just adjusts the volume the same as the gnome volume control
[11:26] <zenwhen> I use MPD
[11:26] <searcher`> Doomahmmer: if you install the gstreamer-0.8 mp3 plugin anything can play mp3's in gnome
[11:27] <searcher`> kezz: what kind of sound card do you have?
[11:27] <Doomahmmer> meh, I'm happy with mah XMMS -- i'm used to using Winamp anyway
[11:27] <kezz> its an onboard one (ibook)
[11:27] <searcher`> kezz: i'm still using a SB live! that has a lot of options gnome volume won't show
[11:27] <irbdavid> cool cool
[11:27] <drspin> my gnome shows WAY too many options
[11:27] <irbdavid> next question: does it have ACPI support?
[11:28] <irbdavid> in as much as any linux version does...
[11:28] <drspin> I have a mixer for Cirrus Logic ... (OSS), a mixer for SB LIve (alsa), a mixer for bt87x, and a mixer for bt878 :/
[11:29] <drspin> brb
[11:30] <Doomahmmer> ah man it's nice to be using Gnome again, after all the time I spent with KDE
[11:30] <searcher`> Doomahmmer: there's a difference between those two?
[11:30] <grepper> is there a clipboard applet for gnome ?
[11:31] <Doomahmmer> a slight one -- everything feels a bit different...
[11:31] <grepper> I know about xclipboard
[11:32] <Doomahmmer> now, i have one more question:
[11:32] <Doomahmmer> I have a splashimage for GRUB, but it isn't in the partition in which GRUB is installed
[11:32] <fLoW> hello, i'm a linux noob... i started of with gentoo, with was a little bit to much to handle to begin with :p so i reformatted after some months with ubuntu... i do have 2 problems: 1: my musiccard (SB Live! digital surroundcard) is installed, alsamixer is configured good, but i can't get any sound? does anyone know what the problem might be?   and 2: when i run apt-get install bootsplash (with the patch for the kernel installed) it allways makes a
[11:32] <fLoW> n error(if i'm allowed i'll c/p it here ok?)
[11:33] <Doomahmmer> do you have OSS installed and configured?
[11:33] <searcher`> fLoW: do you have an onboard soundcard?
[11:33] <fLoW> jes i do but it's turned of in bios
[11:33] <Doomahmmer> i beleve he is using SB Live! - or trying to
[11:33] <fLoW> searched 2 weeks on that with my gentoo install :p
[11:34] <Doomahmmer> i love Gentoo ;)
[11:34] <fLoW> so do I no
[11:34] <searcher`> yup, but if the second onboard soundcard becomes the default card hw:0,0 and you aren't plugged into it ... well you do the math
[11:34] <Doomahmmer> hard to set up, but it really teaches you how stuff works
[11:34] <fLoW> just what i was going to say Doomahmmer :p
[11:34] <Doomahmmer> try plugging your headphones / speakers / whatevers into the onboard sound porn
[11:35] <searcher`> fLoW: did you actually patch your kernel for bootsplash support?
[11:35] <Doomahmmer> sound port* lol
[11:35] <fLoW> searcher
[11:35] <fLoW> jep
[11:35] <searcher`> freudian spelling error :P
[11:35] <Doomahmmer> :D
[11:35] <fLoW> :)
[11:35] <searcher`> recompiled, ran grub
[11:35] <searcher`> etc.
[11:35] <fLoW> but i cant run make xconfig either
[11:35] <fLoW> when in usr/src/kernel
[11:36] <searcher`> so you patched your kernel, but didn't actually build the new kernel?
[11:36] <fLoW> CRAP
[11:36] <fLoW> :)
[11:36] <searcher`> what's the error you're getting from bootsplash
[11:36] <Fazer> crimsun: Are you there? This is Xed
[11:36] <Fazer> Well, not really, but I am tlaking to him on the phone..
[11:36] <searcher`> fLoW: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm
[11:37] <searcher`> that'll show you how to build a debian kernel
[11:37] <searcher`> (and install it too)
[11:37] <fLoW> Fouten gevonden tijdens behandelen van:
[11:37] <fLoW>  bootsplash
[11:37] <fLoW>  bootsplash-theme-misspingus4
[11:37] <fLoW> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:37] <fLoW> aah crap
[11:37] <fLoW> sorry its dutch :s
[11:37] <fLoW> well, top of it is :s
[11:37] <searcher`> that's not really very descriptive
[11:37] <fLoW> .. :)
[11:37] <fLoW> i tought so too
[11:37] <kezz> problems found during handling of
[11:38] <fLoW> ya, but your right
[11:38] <searcher`> anything in the logs?
[11:38] <fLoW> its because it isn't recompiled
[11:38] <searcher`> or you could just wait till the next release, it's supposed to be in there by then
[11:38] <searcher`> that would be .. april i think
[11:38] <fLoW> the 2.6.10 kernel ?
[11:39] <fLoW> or will it be on the 12 ?
[11:39] <searcher`> no, ubuntu dist
[11:39] <fLoW> aaah
[11:39] <fLoW> ya but i like messing around with my OS :p
[11:39] <Fazer> How do I make ubuntu recognize my wireless card?
[11:40] <searcher`> fLoW: well then the kernel is a good place to start messing :P
[11:40] <Mojo_Jojo_> has anyone tied doom3 with an ati card?? I read somewhere a while back that it wont work.
[11:40] <kezz> depends on which card it is
[11:40] <fLoW> hehe
[11:40] <fLoW> euhm
[11:40] <searcher`> fLoW: lots of fun trying to figure out what went wrong from a chroot :P
[11:40] <Mojo_Jojo_> 9600 mobility
[11:40] <Doomhammer> Mojo: I think they fixed that ATI bug
[11:40] <fLoW> mojo, i have an ati card, and i ran doom3 on my gentoo system
[11:41] <Quest-Master> I'm considering getting an nVidia since they support Linuxers much better
[11:41] <fLoW> just follow some how-to you pick of google
[11:41] <kezz> sorry Mojo_Jojo_ i was talking to Fazer
[11:41] <fragment> Is the old palette on the wiki still the official palette?
[11:41] <Mojo_Jojo_> oh haha
[11:41] <fLoW> just make sure you have the newest linux ati drivers
[11:41] <Mojo_Jojo_> Doomhammer, do I don't have to worry about it not working? where can I get the installer?
[11:42] <Doomhammer> it should work fine, and i'm not sure where to get the installer
[11:42] <Fazer> kezz: I think the card is supported by Linux, but it doesn't show up in the wireless config. then on Ubuntu
[11:43] <Mojo_Jojo_> Doomhammer, ok i'll take a look around for it :)
[11:45] <searcher`> fLoW: about not hearing sound ...
[11:45] <searcher`> fLoW: are you a part of the `audio' group?
[11:45] <Fazer> hmm what does Cash back mean when you use yourd debit card at like..walmart?
[11:46] <Doomhammer> Fazer: you use yer card to pay for the purchase and give 'em a little extra
[11:46] <Crane> H e l l o
[11:46] <Crane> a l l
[11:46] <Doomhammer> then they give you the extra $$$ ;)
[11:47] <Fazer> Doomhammer: Oh so almost like an ATM machine?
[11:48] <Doomhammer> Fazer: yes
[11:49] <Doomhammer> but you pay for the purchase AND get money back
[11:49] <Fazer> cool
[11:49] <aamcf> hi - I was just installing Ubuntu on a PC that dual boots Suse and Windows 98 using Lilo. The install CD was corrupt, so the install wouldn't complete. I was trying to overwrite the suse install. I get `LI' and then the system hangs
[11:49] <Doomhammer> so it doesn't boot at all?
[11:49] <aamcf> is there an easy way to fix this? I've got the win98 CD and a debian net install CD too
[11:49] <Doomhammer> i think it borked yet LILO, dude
[11:49] <aamcf> doesn't boot at all
[11:50] <fLoW> searcher`, : no id, how do i check that?
[11:50] <Doomhammer> you might try booting up on a LiveCD like Knoppix and see if ya can fix it
[11:50] <searcher`> fLoW: it's in the system admin bit of gnome, for your user
[11:51] <aamcf> I'm on a live Ubutnu CD now
[11:51] <searcher`> fLoW: just check if any of the groups says audio
[11:51] <aamcf> what should I do to fix it?
[11:51] <Doomhammer> you're going to have to re-install and re-configure LILO
[11:51] <Doomhammer> or you could just install a distro over top of the corrupt thing
[11:51] <searcher`> aamcf: you're on the livecd?
[11:52] <x66221> installing ubuntu for first time ... so far so good ... it's automatically getting updates right now :)
[11:52] <fLoW> searcher: i have no id where to search...
[11:52] <searcher`> if so, you can run a bootloader from any of the installed distro's
[11:52] <Markrian> In Gnome 2.8, when one adds a new application to the list of applications that can open a particular type of file, it only appears in the context menu as the filename of the application itself, like 'eog'
[11:52] <searcher`> fLoW: hold up, i'll check
[11:52] <Markrian> This is unhelpful ;o
[11:52] <aamcf> is it possible to insall the bootloader from the live CD?
[11:52] <Markrian> How can items be added so they appear as, say, "Image Viewer" but open eog?
[11:52] <fLoW> thx
[11:53] <Doomhammer> it's possible, buy i'm not sure how easy
[11:53] <Doomhammer> you would need to fdisk yer hard drive and make a partition bootable
[11:53] <StolenShoeBox> anyone know any good rpgs for linux or any good games in genral?
[11:53] <Doomhammer> then format the partition with "mkefs -j /dev/hd**"
[11:53] <aamcf> urg
[11:53] <Doomhammer> then build the bootloader
[11:53] <Doomhammer> configure it to boot yer windows
[11:53] <Doomhammer> and then you'd be ok
[11:54] <Cervantes_> Does anyone know a good place to purchase a (used or not) real hardware modem?
[11:54] <Doomhammer> Wal-Mart has cheap-o modems, Cervantes
[11:54] <Cervantes_> err, seriously?
[11:54] <Doomhammer> yep
[11:54] <Doomhammer> you can get a $15 modem
[11:54] <Cervantes_> but, not a winmodem?
[11:54] <Doomhammer> that will run under Linux even
[11:54] <Doomhammer> nope
[11:55] <Doomhammer> not a Winmodem -- or at least not at the Wal-mart  near me ;)
[11:55] <searcher`> aamcf: you can use chroot to get into a linux distro that was already installed
[11:55] <searcher`> it's console work though, and you might want to check for a manual
[11:55] <Cervantes_> awesome..  so, just to make sure, they have modems that won't force me to download linux drivers and go through hell, mutltiple times?
[11:55] <Doomhammer> searcher: i believe the corrupt CD completely fuxored his SuSE install
[11:55] <aamcf> there is no installed distro any more
[11:56] <searcher`> haha then you're fscked
[11:56] <Doomhammer> Cervantes: yep -- linux will probobly autodetect it
[11:56] <aamcf> I'm going to reinstall another distro, cos I've done that before
[11:56] <searcher`> if there's no distro just re-install to the partition you wanted it, and see if ubuntu recognizes windows
[11:56] <Cervantes_> awesome!  Thanks Doomhammer!
[11:56] <Doomhammer> yea, that's probobly the easiest path to take aamcf
[11:56] <Doomhammer> no problem Cervantes :)
[11:56] <aamcf> :-)
[11:56] <Doomhammer> brb...
[11:57] <mdke> does anyone know if the problem that linux <IP_ADDRESS> had with cdrecord is still there in 2.6.9/2.6.10?
[11:57] <aamcf> thanks - I'll try that now. If you never hear from me again, it worked :-)
[11:57] <searcher`> fLoW: Computer -> System configuration -> Users and groups
[11:57] <searcher`> look there
[11:58] <fLoW> thx
[11:58] <searcher`> fLoW: from the users tab, click `properties' for your user and look in the other groups tab
[11:58] <searcher`> see if you're in audio
[11:59] <fLoW> yep i am
[11:59] <searcher`> well rule out that problem
[11:59] <Doomhammer> have you tried using the onboard audio port?
[11:59] <Doomhammer> if not, try that: linux may think you want to use it