[16:55] <realtime-neil> When a launchpad recipe invokes `git-build-recipe` with the `--append-version ~18.04.1`, where is it getting that option value?
[16:55] <realtime-neil> sorry, on my bionic recipes, the `--append-version` value is `~ubuntu18.04.1`
[16:57] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: it calls "lsb_release -r -s" in the relevant chroot to get the 18.04 bit, and the rest is hardcoded
[16:59] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: understood. Could you point me to the source code that's doing this? I assume some kind of switch-block in the implementation of `git-build-recipe`?
[16:59] <cjwatson> realtime-neil: https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad-buildd/tree/bin/buildrecipe
[17:00] <cjwatson> which is the bit of the LP builder code that invokes git-build-recipe
[17:00] <realtime-neil> cjwatson: got it, thanks.
[17:01] <cjwatson> teward: did you ever get round to writing up whatever it was you ran into while trying to get LP running on bionic a few days ago?
[17:01] <cjwatson> teward: I'm quite curious


[02:21] <tjaalton> ari-tczew: eh?
[02:22] <tjaalton> ari-tczew: no, AIUI it's still needed
[02:23] <tjaalton> ari-tczew: hum, so you mean *kernel-common
[02:25] <tjaalton> n-k-c is probably unnecessary, yes
[02:34] <ari-tczew> tjaalton: are you a core developer right?
[02:34] <ari-tczew> could you comment on bug like ACK? then subscribe ubuntu-archive. :)
[02:37]  * ari-tczew is off to bed.
[18:42] <ricotz> bryceh, hi
[18:42] <ricotz> bryceh, i noticed all the build failure mails for the wayland testing ppa
[18:44] <ricotz> bryceh, you need a newer libdrm the api for nouveau changed a bit
[18:49] <bjsnider> the ones that just failed did so because wayland-server-protocol.h is missing
[18:50] <ricotz> bjsnider, nouveau_context.c:132
[18:51] <ricotz> i meant the mesa build
[18:52] <bjsnider> wayland itself failed too
[18:53] <ricotz> yeah, didnt look at this
[18:57] <bryceh> yeah I'm poking at it now
[18:57] <bryceh> looks like a path issue; wayland-server-protocol.h is a generated file but seems to be generated ok; just in a different dir than compositor is looking at
[18:58] <bryceh> ricotz, oh new libdrm for mesa?  mmm ok I'll try that.  know what version in particular?
[18:58] <bryceh> e.g. is the one in xorg-edgers enough?
[18:58] <ricotz> bryceh, you can copy it from the edgers ppa
[18:58] <ricotz> yes
[18:59] <bryceh> ok, does it have any dependencies that need copied over too?
[18:59] <ricotz> bryceh, the error is a bit hidden because of the multithreaded build
[18:59] <ricotz> i dont think so
[18:59] <ricotz> for natty it should work
[18:59] <bryceh> thanks for figuring it out, getting all the bits and pieces sorted is sort of a hair pulling exercise
[19:00] <ricotz> bryceh, yeah, thanks to mark ;-)
[19:05] <bryceh> wish the buildd's built stuff faster
[19:07] <ricotz> bryceh, build is quite fast, but the publishing takes some time
[19:08] <bryceh> yeah
[19:08] <bryceh> libxkbcommon built in <10 min but took 2 hours to publish
[19:08] <bryceh> ricotz, do you know what makes publishing take so long?
[19:09] <ricotz> bryceh, why are you build testing it locally?
[19:09] <ricotz> i dont know sometimes it is fast or sometimes it takes hours ;), might depend on the server load
[19:15] <bryceh> hrm... so the wayland-server-protocol.h issue is tricky
[19:16] <bryceh> since it's a generated file, debian/rules copies it into obj-i686-linux-gnu, not the build tree
[19:16] <bryceh> er not the source tree
[19:16] <bryceh> but the #include looks only in the source tree and so doesn't find it.
[19:17] <ricotz> bryceh, did you generated the tarball with "make distcheck"?
[19:18] <bryceh> ricotz, no, just tarballed up the git tree
[19:19] <bryceh> besides....  $ make distcheck
[19:19] <bryceh> make: *** No rule to make target `distcheck'.  Stop.
[19:19] <ricotz> if wayland has proper autofoo then it is better to create a tarball with that
[19:20] <ricotz> bryceh, ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr ... , make, make distcheck
[19:22] <bryceh> ricotz, no, that's not generally how we build xorg-edgers packages
[19:23] <ricotz> bryceh, i know, but in my opinion it would be the proper way, and might solve thing like autogenerated files
[19:24] <bjsnider> ricotz, what does that option do?
[19:25] <bryceh> ricotz, no my preference is to put any special package logic into the rules file; else it adds extra steps to whomever packages this in the future
[19:25] <bryceh> ideally I want to make the process compatible with how xorg-edgers packages get built, so the xorg-edges scripts can be used, so we can easily get daily wayland package builds
[19:26] <ricotz> bryceh, the official releases of software will be made with "make dist"!
[19:27] <ricotz> the git tarball snapshot arent the real releases
[19:27] <bryceh> mm hmm
[19:31] <ricotz> bryceh, ok, all they files are created properly and are included in the tarball using make dist
[19:31] <ricotz> just checked it with wayland
[19:32] <ricotz> s/they/the/
[20:21] <ricotz> bryceh, mesa built but still packaging problems :(, could you also upload the xkbcommon,x11proto-kb and cairo to natty pocket?


[00:12] <aaaayuu> Hello, questions concerning repository and updates to wireshark
[00:15] <aaaayuu> About two months ago I noticed wireshark was upgraded and is now using 2.9 fromthe original 2.4.5, I have found that unless I delete all ppa's I cannot keep 2.4.5 from being upgraded to 2.9. Understand, 2.9 does not support geoip whereas 2.4.5 does.
[00:16] <aaaayuu> Has this issue been adressed or does anyone have a resolution for this issue?
[00:17] <vivus> aaaayuu: shouldn't this be for #wireshark ?
[00:18] <aaaayuu> no, wireshark works just fine. The repository is where the issue resides
[00:18] <krytarik> Some random PPAs you've got there, yes.
[00:19] <vivus> it cant be "all PPAs", it's just a wireshark PPA
[00:20] <aaaayuu> Say again. canonical or ubuntu repository upgraded wireshark to 2.9 from 2.4.5 thus losing geoip capability
[00:21] <aaaayuu> don't know which or both  but searching for solution Ws 2.9 is now dedicated to xenial
[00:22] <aaaayuu> correct, not all ppa, thid parties had no affect, though with wireshark ppa and ubuntu /cannonical ppas still auto upgraded to 2.9
[00:23] <vivus> the bump to 2.9 must be for security reasons otherwise such a bump would not happen on 16.04
[00:24] <krytarik> !info wireshark xenial
[00:24] <krytarik> !info wireshark
[00:27] <RoadRunner> vivus: no, BIOS definately finiched POST; this was the very first screen of the liveCD boot. 1 - lead to the Welcome screen with choices to try or install and 2 - timed out and terminated. But I would like to know what the actual text for each of those choices said.
[00:31] <RoadRunner> Also, pressing Ctrl-Alt-F1 after boot from live cd gets into terminal with request to log in: what login and pswd works for Xubuntu?
[00:39] <aaaayuu> thank you vivus, krytarik, coulld not find changelog affecting wireshark or why it auto upgrades to 2.9 / trial use Bionic beaver now has 2.4 with geoip. Will probably transfer when auth release
[00:52] <RoadRunner> ie: what are the default login and password for Xubuntu's LiveCD?
[00:53] <Unit193> xubuntu/blank, iirc.
[08:56] <leigh> Hi. I have just updated 18.04 and on reboot just get a black screen with no GRUB. Worryingly I also cant enter BIOS using F2 key on boot on my ASUS x550 laptop. Any ideas?
[09:23] <enyc> do all ubuntu official variants get reelased at the same day, tomorrow?
[09:24] <Unit193> Yep.
[19:02] <p01nt3r> hello, is this also the support-chat for chaletos (what basically is xubuntu)?
[19:04] <flocculant> no it isn't - talk to chaletos whatever that is for support
[19:04] <akxwi-dave> try here  https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/108630943169932456503
[19:18] <p01nt3r> thank you
[19:38] <wojtasss> hi guys i have a question, because I have two network manager on top panel
[19:39] <wojtasss> ok, never mind, i fix it
[19:40] <wojtasss> *I have fixed it


 DiskStation Synology
 Anything I should know about rsync?  Any critical errors to avoid?
 ~~~rsync --delete -azvv -e ssh /home/adamoutler adamoutler@<IP_ADDRESS>:/volume1/homes/adamoutler/closet-server/home/~~~
 That's about what I use, what's the second v for?
 very verbose
 Ah
 is there an inbuilt way to auto-sync, or is it just manual through cron?
 i use cron, its easier that way, though there are some utilities that use rsync in the background, but seems excessive
 i'd like to auto-rsync
 only issue I ever had was a few weeks ago tried to rsync my home directory to the other drive and forgot I had mounted it in my home directory so was recusrively copy files in to a deeper and deeper tree .... ha
 I just run cron every 30 minutes
 hehe
 This just seems a bit excessive to run every 30 minutes https://pastebin.adamoutler.com/CKKW
 there should be a process that handles all of that.
 Maybe there is.
 @AdamOutler, I know your IP address is <IP_ADDRESS>. I am DDoSing it now
 Nooooooo!
 You monster!!! ... wait, which <IP_ADDRESS> device?
 @KMyers, Wouldn't it be easier to ddos adamoutler.com?  You could do it with your server alone.
 @Ivoriesablaze, Holy crap... His root password is the same as mine. He is also using the hostname "KMyers-NAS". Running a rm -rf / now
 I thought I was the only one who uses "tacocat" as a root password
 Why did my NAS go down?
 lol
 crap!
 That's my home server. It does not handle my Next Cloud server, only household things. It hosts my DVR, Plex and local backups (which get sent to next cloud)
 dude, Synology is my new NAS of choice.  They have tons of options... if I want this thing to do anything, it can... then there's plugins.
 it supports rsync by default.
 it supports letsencrypt by default.
 it's really crazy the amount of things it handles.
 Mine is just running a simple Debian setup
 I wanted a "NAS".  this is everything. SAMBA, and team sharing, permissions, you name it.
 I can do a dedicated computer easily, but this thing has everything in it.
 it's rediculous.
 it's the pfsense of NAS.
 That's the web interface
 @AdamOutler, I intentionally did not want to have something like that at home. Too risky as I am paranoid of data loss and a hurricane can take it down. My home stores a tertiary backup
 Well, it cost $170 on amazon, and the HDs are 124 each.
 the price is awesome. the value is outstanding.
 @AdamOutler, Yes. I agree
 Also, i'm 12ft above sea level and near the glades, I shouldn't need to worrry too much,
 @AdamOutler, Your office is on a 2nd floor so you are better off than I am when it comes to floods
 my com closet is on the first floor.
 True, under the stairs.
 Yeah.
 and my cameras are always on :D
 Btw..  one of my most popular pix on Google Maps is getting Rick rolled at mojo donuts with you guys.
 That was a fun day
 Yeah.  We should do more mojo
 Meet the Official Ubuntu 19.04 'Disco Dingo' Mascot - OMG! Ubuntu! … https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/03/ubuntu-19-04-mascot-disco-dingo-art
 Mojo donuts would be good
 Made it through day 2 of my online courses. Yay me
[13:59] <maxolasersquad> AdamOutler, I run a home server with NextCloud too. My most important files are synced to an external drive at my work, so if my house goes up in flames then I still have the files in a safe spot.
[13:59] <maxolasersquad> The biggest danger is that my house and work are 2 miles apart, so a nasty tornado could conceivably hit both. It's rather unlikely though.
 NSA just released their reverse engineering tool https://ghidra-sre.org/
 https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2019/3/5/18252150/bad-password-security-data-breach-taiwan-ji32k7au4a83-have-i-been-pwned
 I don't trust the Verge right now
 To be fair, this isn't pro-apple or anti-android and somewhat interesting in the infosec area
 I saw a video about this yesterday
 It was interesting to see lol
[16:18] <maxolasersquad> I security hole has already been found and fixed in Ghidra. https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/1103087869063704576
 Microsoft open-sources its Windows calculator on GitHub - The Verge … https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/6/18253474/microsoft-windows-calculator-open-source-github
[20:00] <maxolasersquad> ++
[20:35] <roaksoax> woah, a calculator... -_-'
[20:40] <maxolasersquad> It would be pretty funny if someone got it compiling on Linux. I'm not sure why someone would go through such effort though.
 😂😂


[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78623 in mod-ruby (universe) "libapache2-mod-ruby is not installable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78623
[12:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78624 in totem (main) "totem-mozilla-viewer crashes on choosing "About"" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78624
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78625 in firefox (main) "crash on right click save as" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78625
[01:06] <gnomefreak> what do we do with repo issues? like nz mirrors are down. do we reject bug or is there a way to file it on the mirror?
[01:11] <dsas> I don't think the mirror operators read LP for things like that. they presumably have some kind of notification for their servers going down anywya.
[01:11] <dsas> gnomefreak: I think I just rejected them in the past.
[01:11] <gnomefreak> ok ty thats what i figured
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78626 in apache2 (main) "mod_auth_ldap doesn't support SSL" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78626
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78628 in Ubuntu "Graphics Corruption while building a pbuilder environment for feisty under edgy." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78628
[02:09] <dub> what help is rejecting it?
[02:10] <dub> the nz mirror isnt down, its dropping connections from selected nz networks
[02:11] <dsas> dub: people who run the mirrors don't read LP as far as I know. You should get in touch with them to fix the problem, or the mirror needs dropping.
[02:11] <dub> I believe they know and are doing it intentionally
[02:12] <dsas> i'm not sure about how you'd go about that. by pinging one of the canonical sysadmins probably.
[02:12] <dsas> dub: What was the bug number?
[02:12] <dub> IMO its an ubuntu problem if its official mirrors behave strangely
[02:12] <dub> 78614
[02:13] <dub> politics adn peering aside, my grandmothers PC just stopped working
[02:14] <xeruno> dub, mine too... granmothers are like viruses :S
[02:14] <xeruno> (computer viruses) jejejeje
[02:14] <dsas> dub: A report on apt won't reach the right people though :)
[02:14] <xeruno> :P
[02:15] <dub> well thats teh application that is failing
[02:15] <dub> I'm trying to be the lusers advocate here
[02:16] <dsas> dub: I'm not trying to dismiss the problem, I'm trying to find out where it should be filed so the people who can do something about it do something about it.
[02:17] <DarkMageZ> the maintainer of apt will know where it needs to go and will push it in the right direction
[02:17] <lifeless> dsas: hi, this should be: filed as a support request, and raised in canonical-sysadmins, for the mirror admins to take the mirror out of rotation if its fucked
[02:17] <dub> To my mind it sits with whoever sanctions official mirrors
[02:17] <lifeless> apt maintainer has nothing to do with this
[02:17] <lifeless> dub: you are right
[02:17] <lifeless> dub: the process is 'support request' -> 'bug if there is a software fault', and theres no software fault here.
[02:18] <lifeless> dsas: the ubuntu mirros are not our servers, and while we do scan, being told theres a problem is faster.
[02:19] <dsas> lifeless: Right. from a -bugs perspective a bug against apt was wrong, so that was rejected, I was just looking for the proper procedure, not hiding the problem.
[02:20] <lifeless> dsas: yup. Support request is the right entry point. from there, if its urgent [and it is] , seek escalation on #launchpad or #canonical-syadmins, depending on how authoritative you can be about the problem.
[02:20] <lifeless> starting with #launchpad is always a good bet.
[02:21] <dsas> ok, would you like me to file a support tracker or are you someone who can handle this from here on?
[02:21] <dsas> thanks for bzr btw.
[02:22] <lifeless> dsas: lol :). Please do document the problem as a support request
[02:22] <lifeless> as thoroughly as possible. I've started escalating this
[02:23] <dub> there are tcptraceroutes in the bug I filed, I'm happy to perform further troublshooting if required
[02:23] <lifeless> link the bug to the support request, that will do
[02:24] <lifeless> dub: you say that the mirror operators are doing it deliberately. Why ?
[02:24] <dub> disclaimer: I work for one of the two main networks they are rejecting
[02:25] <dub> essentially because the two 'teir 1' carriers in NZ depeered a couple of years ago
[02:25] <lifeless> I dont think its reasonable for them to be on DNS rotation and rejecting anyone, but thats me
[02:25] <dub> citylink maintain the peering exchanges
[02:26] <dub> they have been anycasting the mirror at the exchanges so that people who peered with them got direct access and those that didnt got the content from PAIX
[02:26] <dub> this stopped some time in the last 3-4 weeks
[02:27] <dsas> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3121
[02:27] <dsas> lifeless: Do I need to subscribe anyone?
[02:27] <dsas> oh, actually I can't do that in the support tracker anyway.
[02:28] <dub> well the anycast address is still reachable and the content available via FTP
[02:29] <dub> so its debatable as to whether its intentional or a config problem
[02:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78629 in kerry (universe) "missing /usr/bin/kerry" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78629
[02:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78631 in Ubuntu "Thinkpad T60 ACPI problem on amd64 arch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78631
[02:30] <dsas> dub: you may want to include some/all of this info in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3121 so it's referenceble in the future.
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78633 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager shouldn't be in Applications -> System Tools" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78633
[02:31] <dub> dsas, will it help? As I said, politics aside, its the end user that is paying the price
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78632 in xorg-server (main) "autodetection of Xinerama when creating xorg.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78632
[02:32] <dsas> dub: Sure, we do want to fix the problem. I'm sorry if I've made you think otherwise.
[02:32] <dub> Not at all, I understand now that the bug report was the wrong way to go about it
[02:38] <ajmitch> dub: great, so the citylink peering issues have come up again?
[02:39] <dub> it looks that way
[02:40] <dub> I'm looking for the little page they put up about it
[02:40] <ajmitch> probably the same thing they had on their ftp servers awhile back
[02:40] <ajmitch> "too bad, so sad, complain to your ISP"
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78634 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "usbdev4.1_ep00: PM: suspend 0->1, parent usb4 already 2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78634
[02:44] <lifeless> I've filed a rt request on this
[02:44] <lifeless> dub: can you put some of the history in teh support request - just cause you can act like a 'luser', doesn't mean tthat the extra info you have won't help in the situation being resolved faster :)
[02:45] <lifeless> #26423 in rt
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77460 in launchpad-integration ""Translate This Application" in Firefox mistaken for translating the Web page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77460
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78635 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel oops in cpufreq / kondemand" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78635
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78639 in pound (universe) "sample configuration file use old syntax" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78639
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78640 in kdebase (main) "kdesu does not respect NOPASSWD from sudoers" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78640
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78641 in Ubuntu "CD does not boot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78641
[03:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78642 in texlive-base (universe) "Missing element in texlive-pictures" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78642
[03:31] <Nafallo> time to sleep
[03:46] <dub> lifeless, url to rt?
[03:48] <dub> theres more info in a debian bug I raised back when it first became an issue, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296807
[03:48] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 296807 in ftp.debian.org "ftp.debian.org: ftp.nz.debian.org inaccessable from majority of nz internet" [Grave,Closed]
[03:50] <dthacker> yuck!
[03:50] <dthacker> hehe
[03:50] <lifeless> dub: thats internal sorry, but its how I get hold of the sysadmins
[04:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78643 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "I dont't know why" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78643
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78644 in firefox (main) "Firefox crash and the apport command was using the 100% of the CPU" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78644
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78645 in Ubuntu "Installer crashed with 6.06 LTS for PC, simplified Chinese" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78645
[05:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78647 in dolphin (universe) "dolpin: desktop file installed twice" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78647
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78648 in yakuake (universe) "merge with Debian version 2.7.5-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78648
[05:32] <dub> matt has made contact with citylink, apparently its a fault, they are working on it
[05:34] <dsas> dub: Sweet, that's good to hear. Hopefully it'll be resolved soon.
[05:38] <ajmitch> yep, it was just talked about in #ubuntu-nz earlier
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78649 in openoffice.org (main) "Crashes on launch with "free(): invalid pointer"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78649
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78650 in Ubuntu "can not install programs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78650
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78651 in Ubuntu "CPU stuck at 100% usage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78651
[06:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78652 in ardour (universe) "inserting .wav as track, jack shutdown cause ardor was not fast enough" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78652
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78653 in websvn (universe) "please sync websvn 1.61-21 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78653
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78654 in emacs-snapshot (universe) "emacs freezes, then crashes during auctex processing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78654
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> Bug #2
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm, bot is lagging i think
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> oh thats because the bug doesn't exist, it would be nice to know that
[07:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78655 in language-selector (main) ""Language support is not installed completely" alert needs wording fixes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78655
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78656 in Ubuntu "Problem with Update Manager" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78656
[08:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78657 in eclipse (universe) "incorrect dependancies (0ubuntu1 not 3ubuntu1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78657
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78658 in ekiga (main) "weblinks don't work in ekiga" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78658
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78659 in Ubuntu "ata2 io problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78659
[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78660 in gdm (main) "can't change GDM settings." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78660
[08:59] <dholbach> good morning
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78661 in gtk2-engines (main) "Black themes/High Contrast Inverse theme Bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78661
[09:27] <BugMaN> hi!
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78662 in ecj-bootstrap (main) "sync request" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78662
[09:47] <lifeless> dub: nz.archive.ubuntu.com should work now - its out of the rotation until its fixed
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78663 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "Some Java 6's bin require libstdc++.so.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78663
[09:57] <BugMaN> hi seb128!
[09:57] <seb128> Hi BugMaN
[09:58] <BugMaN> i found a bug in epiphany but epiphany don't use malone
[09:58] <seb128> open a bug on the epiphany-browser packager on launchpad or a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org
[09:59] <BugMaN> ok
[09:59] <seb128> what is the bug about?
[09:59] <BugMaN> crash
[10:00] <BugMaN> if you try to delete 2 or plus bookmarks epiphany crash
[10:00] <seb128> likely due to some plugin or firefox then :p
[10:00] <seb128> ah
[10:00] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351814
[10:00] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 351814 in General "crash while deleting more than 1 bookmark in bm-editor" [Blocker,New]
[10:00] <seb128> that one then
[10:00] <BugMaN> yes
[10:00] <seb128> it's already known, no need of a new bug :)
[10:01] <BugMaN> ok
[10:01] <BugMaN> :-)
[10:19] <kgoetz> i filed http://launchpad.net/bugs/78657 about 50 min ago, and just realised its probably only a typo in the control file. can someone confirm that? i dont really want to force install the package if rebuilding it will work instead
[10:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78657 in eclipse "incorrect dependancies (3ubuntu1 not 0ubuntu1)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78664 in ubiquity (main) "Kubuntu installer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78664
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78665 in gtk+2.0 (main) "FEISTY: libgtk2.0 upgrade broke things in gtk apps such as mousepad and gedit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78665
[10:39] <somerville32> Ugh oh
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:54] <Admiral_Chicago> that will install the codecs necessary
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76383 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "fglrx-driver behaves strange in 8.32.5, works fine in 8.28.8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76383
[11:15] <kgoetz> actually, i'll ask the motu's
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> i think you mean buildclean
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> err autoclean
[11:15] <Admiral_Chicago> that's when a deb is made iirc.
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> !packagingguide
[11:16] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[11:16] <Admiral_Chicago> kgoetz: take a look at that, hf gl
[11:18] <Admiral_Chicago> I seems to remember seeing it in the guide, I looked at the guide a long time ago though
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78667 in Ubuntu "Edgy Memory troubles Edgy, Slow Performances, Soundcard not detected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78667
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78668 in Ubuntu "Unicode problem in the partition windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78668
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78670 in Ubuntu "Problem when changing opacity of taskbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78670
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78671 in mesa (main) "Old version, upgrade needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78671
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71915 in update-manager "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71915
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #77528 in update-manager ""Size mismatch" error is unhelpful" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77528
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63552 in update-manager "Update-manager is very invasive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63552
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63609 in update-manager "missing python-vte causes upgrade failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63609
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69832 in update-manager "libghc6-hdbc-missingh-dev postinst fails" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69832
[12:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71649 in update-manager "Message when system is up-to-date" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71649
[12:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78673 in update-manager (main) "edgy->fetisty dist-upgrade only works if ~/.gnupg file is there" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78673
[12:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78674 in totem (main) "Totem crashes on watching .mov from Firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78674
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78675 in wacom-tools (main) "wacom driver does not work and spams Xorg.0.log" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78675
[01:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78676 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed when trying to close "image window"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78676
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78677 in gnome-panel (main) "invisible icons" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78677
[01:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78678 in gnome-panel (main) "clicking on gnome-invest changes keyboard indicator" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78678
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78679 in mono (main) "mono crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78679
[01:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78680 in avahi (main) "avahi's "enable_avahi" script does not turn on MDNS resolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78680
[01:45] <chantra> 'lo
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78681 in cupsys (main) "[PATCH]  CUPS's "enable_sharing" script incorrectly modifies cupsd.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78681
[02:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69085 in kde-systemsettings (main) "System Settings changes configuration files (makes fonts blurry) even without me applying any changes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69085
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78682 in mp3gain (universe) "xargs: mp3gain: terminated by signal 11" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78682
[02:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69033 in hal (main) "nautilus-cd-burner does not recognise blank cd." [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69033
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78684 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "DRM doesn't load using Radeon 9700 running Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78684
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78687 in firefox (main) "[Edgy]  Default font in Firefox too big" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78687
[02:42] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69160 in hal (main) "hal failed to initialize" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69160
[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71558 in hwdb-client (main) "Gets stuck at video detection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71558
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78689 in gthumb (main) "error importing photos from a HP photosmart 812" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78689
[03:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78690 in bluez-utils (main) "[Feisty]  bluez-utils update hangs on stopping bluetooth service" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78690
[03:35] <bddebian> Boo
[03:39] <Nafallo> Baa!
[03:44] <bddebian> Heh, heya Nafallo
[03:53] <seb128> dholbach: what are all those upstream changes you are doing?
[03:53] <seb128> upstream task changes I mean
[03:53] <dholbach> our bug is closed already, and there's an empty upstream task
[03:53] <dholbach> i dunno how we got those, but i thought i'd clean up a bit
[03:53] <seb128> ah ok
[03:53] <seb128> do you have a list of those?
[03:54] <dholbach> i tried to find all new unconfirmed, undecided bugs we're subscribed to
[03:54] <dholbach> i ended up with a crazy list of bugs
[03:54] <seb128> ok
[03:55] <dholbach> i thought "malone might be malfunctioning, but why not just use the list i just got?" ;-)
[03:57] <seb128> dholbach: hehe, ok, I was just wondering if we had to update distro and upstream tasks by hand now
[03:57] <seb128> that looked like a step back
[03:57] <seb128> if that's just cleanup that's fine ;)
[03:58] <seb128> good to see some bug triage action ;)
[04:03] <dholbach> yeah :-)
[04:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78693 in Ubuntu "Slow reboot sequence" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78693
[04:12] <dholbach> hahahaha, bug 30867 "..., but I am now testing Feisty, and.... oh my god !!!! Nautilus is displaying complete non sense, it's the end of the world..."
[04:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30867 in nautilus "[Dapper]  nautilus shows drive labels instead of volume labels" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30867
[04:12] <Hobbsee> dholbach: haha, nice
[04:13] <Hobbsee> dholbach: to get libdvdcss2, do we prefer a script that wgets and installs it, or recommending an unofficial repo?
[04:14] <dholbach> no idea - it's both something that's out of our hands
[04:14] <dholbach> maybe installing a 'separate' package is better then activating a complete repository
[04:14] <dholbach> but ...  *shrug*
[04:14] <Hobbsee> dholbach: so, the solution is to ignore it, and hopes it goes away?
[04:15] <dholbach> i don't think that's a solution :)
[04:15] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: with the script added back people can do whatever :-)
[04:15] <dholbach> what does the doc team say in their guide?
[04:15] <Nafallo> dholbach: the script
[04:16] <Hobbsee> dholbach: doc team refers to teh script
[04:16] <Nafallo> atleast that's what the bug said :-P
[04:16] <Hobbsee> dholbach: debian said the script was a security risk, as it wgets to /tmp
[04:16] <Hobbsee> dholbach: and removed it, saying debian multimedia was the way to go
[04:17] <dholbach> oh... and debian multimedia ships it?
[04:17] <Nafallo> debian-unofficial do
[04:17] <Hobbsee> dholbach: i believe so.  or somewhere does
[04:17] <Nafallo> and I can merge with them and put it in my repo ;-)
[04:18] <dholbach> maybe mvo_ has an opinion
[04:18] <dholbach> he's master of 'common customizations'
[04:18] <dholbach> sorry mvo_
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mvo_: ping?
[04:21] <mvo_> Hobbsee: what was the context?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mvo_: we synced from debian, as they got rid of the script, saying to get the package from debian-unofficial repo instead.  libdvdcss2, and libdvdread3
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ie, dvd playing
[04:22] <Hobbsee> which, i suspect your common customisations want to utilise, anyway
[04:22] <Hobbsee> (kaffeine needs to utilise it, + gnome proggys)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> mvo_: did you want to think on it, and ping me tomorrow?  i'd like to go to bed fairly soon (it's 2.23am)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> or query hobbsee|nothere with the info, or email me -<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:31] <mvo_> Hobbsee: ok, have a good night. I will have a look
[04:31] <Hobbsee> mvo_: thanks.  email's best, as i absolutely cant forget then :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> night all
[04:37] <Ng> is there a procedure for debugging (suspected) acpi problems?
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78694 in ubuntu-meta (main) "Macintosh PPC Beezy upgrade to Dapper fails " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78694
[04:45] <dholbach> Ng: there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[04:45] <dholbach> Ng: but it's not that much
[04:51] <Ng> dholbach: ta. trying to help someone debug a weird thing on an hp machine where his ps2 keyboard doesn't work (!)
[04:51] <dholbach> urg
[04:51] <dholbach> anything strange in  'dmesg' ?
[04:52] <Ng> I've just asked for the info listed on that page, and I'll ask for dmesg too
[04:52] <Ng> it's already in LP affecting some others, bug 45165
[04:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45165 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Hewlett Packard xw4300 Workstation + USB Mouse BUG" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45165
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78695 in firefox (main) "firefox uses inordinate amounts of CPU when idle" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78695
[05:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78696 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78696
[05:40] <Ng> dholbach: nothing about it looks strange to me, but I'm not exactly sure what I'd be expecting to be strange
[05:40] <Ng> I put it in a bug comment at least
[05:41] <dholbach> ok good
[05:41] <dholbach> I hope that mjg59 and BenC can figure it out
[05:42] <Ng> me too, thanks for the pointer :)
[05:42] <dholbach> de rien
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78697 in gnome-media (main) "crash in g_type_class_meta_marshal" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78697
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78698 in gnome-app-install (main) "help button does not work in gnome-app-install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78698
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78699 in matplotlib (universe) "python-matplotlib should depend on python-numpy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78699
[06:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78701 in dvdauthor (universe) "k9copy and dvdauthor" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78701
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78702 in Ubuntu "[Edgy]  Command can't be run as root in the GUI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78702
[06:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78703 in netbase (main) "/etc/services should contain zeroconf info" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78703
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78704 in camorama (universe) "camorama swaps red and blue channels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78704
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78705 in erlang (universe) "Program will not launch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78705
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78706 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "(Feisty) Disks incorrectly detected as USB/SCSI" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78706
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78707 in Ubuntu "The installer crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78707
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78708 in gaim (main) "The Gaim close inespected. Logged was stoped!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78708
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78709 in Ubuntu "System freeze at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78709
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78710 in eog (main) "slow Eye of GNOME start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78710
[07:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78711 in installation-guide (main) "preconfiguration manual" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78711
[07:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78712 in vlc (universe) "crash when watching apple quicktime streaming" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78712
[07:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78713 in pypanel (universe) "pypanel is missing files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78713
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78714 in gnome-mag (main) "Please build gnome-mag with composite support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78714
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78715 in firefox (main) "Firefox DOM Inspector installation fails on Edgy due to dependency error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78715
[08:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78716 in xserver-xgl (universe) "xserver-xgl  crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78716
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78717 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78717
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78718 in xserver-kdrive (universe) "Xephyr don't handle the "alt car" key in ca_FR keymap" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78718
[08:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78719 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) ""Unread: -1" in thunderbird" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78719
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78720 in Ubuntu ""Copy Disc" burns audio disc as data dics" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78720
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78721 in jabber (universe) "[Merge]  Jabber from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78721
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78722 in ubiquity (main) "Feisty 20070110 -- Grub fails to list old kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78722
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78723 in gaim (main) "Gain - crash - no apparent reason" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78723
[09:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78724 in armagetron (universe) "Armagetron crashes when start a Network Game" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78724
[09:53] <Yawner> Howdy guys, can somebody take a look at this bug.. I am not 100% sure of what Gnome VFS is, I believe it is the file selection window.. If that is the case then I would like to mark the bug is fixed? Any Ideas?
[09:53] <Yawner> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/36218
[09:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36218 in mozilla-thunderbird "Thunderbird should be compiled with gnomevfs" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78725 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes opening webpage" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78725
[09:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78726 in hotkey-setup (main) "No intermediate brightness steps on Thinkpad (dup-of: 61184)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78726
[09:56] <dsas> Yawner: It's so you can save files to samba/ftp/etc shares.
[09:56] <dsas> Yawner: It's like extra backends to the file selector.
[09:57] <Yawner> hmm ok, I am guessing this is not present or is it?
[09:58] <dsas> Yawner: it's not implemented as far as I can see.
[09:59] <dsas> Yawner: I think it's implemented but not turned on rather. though i don't really know.
[09:59] <Yawner> :)
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> there is a list too...
[09:59] <Admiral_Chicago> David may know as well
[10:00] <Yawner> Hmm ok, I will mark it as confirmed and see where it goes
[10:00] <Admiral_Chicago> sure. leave a comment too
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78727 in gaim (main) "crash sending a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78727
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78730 in gnome-panel (main) "Crash of gnome-panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78730
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78729 in Ubuntu "Since last upgrade my xserver crash when i start a opengl app" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78729
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78732 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "madwifi-modules cause kernel-oops (feisty) (dup-of: 76294)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78732
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78733 in libgpod (main) "python-gpod has no python modules" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78733
[11:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78734 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[rv280]  strange behaviour of xv and gl windows under aiglx (beryl)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78734
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78736 in kde-systemsettings (main) "systemsettings starts making noises" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78736
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78735 in alsa-utils (main) "Crash doing "asoundconf unset-pulseaudio"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78735
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78737 in pstoedit (universe) "pstoedit not compiled with svg output enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78737
[11:55] <crimsun> argh
[11:55] <crimsun> I hate brown paper bag paste bugs
[12:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78738 in ia32-libs-openoffice.org (main) "ia32-libs-openoffice.org_17_amd64 is broken (wrong libgnutls version)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78738


[00:00] <bluesabre> back
[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: suppose its time to start uploading things again
[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you have a computer with nvidia?
[00:02] <Unit193> Not new nvidia.
[00:03] <bluesabre> even better
[00:03] <bluesabre> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/commit/?id=8a67212860898ef02fee79f64fc774bc14ed769c
[00:03] <bluesabre> I wonder if that works for older nvidia
[00:04] <bluesabre> (and newer_
[00:04] <Unit193> xfce 10439
[00:05] <bluesabre> I think you have an ati/amd box around, right?
[00:05] <Unit193> fglrx netbook.
[00:06] <bluesabre> that would be a fun test if you're interested
[00:06] <bluesabre> I'm probably going to add that patch to one of my ppas and give it a go
[00:06] <Unit193> 204 on nvidia, and the fglrx is a slightly older version as the new one was craptastic.
[00:08] <drc> Interesting. 15.04 now has FF40 while 15.10(b1 atleast) has FF38.
[00:09] <bluesabre> yeah, for some reason devel always lags behind on firefox releases
[00:09] <Unit193> drc: It's in -proposed, because of a stupid ftbfs on powerpc.
[00:10] <drc> People still have PowerPC's?
[00:10] <Unit193> Doesn't matter, it's still holding things back.
[00:10] <bluesabre> g5 still has one of the coolest cases
[00:10] <Unit193> (I do, but not putting Ubuntu on it.)
[00:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Got a G3, laptop and desktop. :P
[00:11] <bluesabre> sawtooth?
[00:11] <bluesabre> I can only imagine how slow those things must be
[00:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: So I'm supposed to test this for some reason then?  And you'll do a good job patching it up? :P
[00:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: don't worry aobout it yet, I'll bug you about it again later :)
[00:27] <bluesabre> I wonder if we have to FFe xfpanel-switch to just add it to the seed...
[06:40] <knome> we should get our target size changed to avoid those "oversizes" messages
[06:44] <Unit193> Or become smaller again...
[06:45] <knome> mhm, not so easy this time
[06:46] <Unit193> Well, aren't gcc/g++/etc unstripped?
[06:46] <Unit193> That'll help some.
[06:48] <knome> what do you mean by unstripped
[07:05] <newform8|SM-G386> Arizona Nebraska Units States they spell anus
[07:05] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, this is a family-friendly channel.
[07:05] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, so please stop. thank you.
[07:05] <newform8|SM-G386> you're welcome I will
[07:06] <knome> also, if you are looking for a general chatter room, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for that purpose (family-friendly as well)
[07:11] <newform8|SM-G386> thanks I'm there now but I don't want to talk about what I typed about. you see, I thought I was typing that into a different room
[07:27] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, you are free not to talk.
[07:27] <knome> newform8|SM-G386, but please do the not talking or talking on #xubuntu-offtopic
[07:27] <knome> unless it is related to xubuntu development.
[07:28] <DalekSec> Then do the talking or the not talking on #xubuntu-devel.
[08:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: just fyi, i asked around and ubiquity will get a new upload soon, so our installer bug (transition to feh) should be fixed for 15.10
[08:02] <knome> :)
[08:43] <newform8|SM-G386> knome, I understand, I was just saying that I didn't mean to type what I originally typed in here
[08:44] <newform8|SM-G386> if I payed more attention to the label of the room, I would have entered the message onto the intended room, which wasn't this one
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: that's great news
[10:55] <bluesabre> ochosi: added a debdiff for our libreoffice report, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1483914
[10:55] <bluesabre> it takes FOREVER to build lo
[11:01] <Unit193> Yeeep
[11:02] <bluesabre> oh boy
[11:02] <bluesabre> here comes gcc5
[11:03]  * bluesabre closes email app
[11:08] <Unit193> gcc5?
[11:10] <bluesabre> "No-change rebuild using GCC 5."
[11:11] <bluesabre> lots and lots and lots of that
[11:20] <Unit193> You haven't updated in a while, have you?
[11:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: In wily, apt-cache show suckless-tools, what do you see?
[11:21] <flocculant> not seen any rebuilds for gcc5 for a week or so
[11:22]  * Unit193 just did a ton today.
[11:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12213468/
[11:25] <Unit193> Not just me, wondered if it'd matter en_GB vs en_US.
[11:25] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks, missing long description.
[11:25] <bluesabre> np
[11:26] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you see the parole crash of close with X comment yesterday?
[11:26] <flocculant> which I can confirm
[11:26] <knome> pleia2, updated lp:xubuntu-website/docs-startpage (14.10 is EOL)
[11:27] <flocculant> bug 1489533
[11:34] <flocculant> added crash file to it
[11:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: want that reported at bugzilla?
[11:42] <brainwash> bug 1488494
[11:43] <bluesabre> flocculant: sure, if you're feeling reporty
[11:43] <brainwash> flocculant: this appears to be related
[11:43] <bluesabre> and thanks!
[11:43] <bluesabre> and hey brainwash
[11:43] <brainwash> hello bluesabre
[11:44] <bluesabre> I'll be working on bug reports this weekend, trying to knock the big ones out (mugshot camera, parole crash on close)
[11:45] <bluesabre> I have a mostly working solution for mugshot
[11:46] <bluesabre> currently camera is flipped and missing the right side, so not yet complete :D
[11:52] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[12:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok, done that
[12:01] <flocculant> brainwash: it does
[13:29] <knome> ochosi, bluesabre: is the plan to keep 4.12 for 16.04, eg. no develeopment components?
[13:30] <ochosi> knome: depends, so far there is only the power manager that comes to mind...
[13:30] <knome> long time until 16.04 too
[13:30] <ochosi> i presume we'd manage to do a first stable release with that
[13:30] <ochosi> but i don't expect too much overall progress in xfce-land until 16.04 tbh
[13:30] <ochosi> unless a horde of motivated devs show up and port the hell out of it
[13:30] <flocculant> hello peeps
[13:32] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[13:32] <knome> 'lo
[13:37] <ochosi> knome, bluesabre: after some more thinking, i guess we'll have to evaluate the situation during 16.04 based on xfce4.14's progress, but i guess i'd rather be conservative about mixing in dev versions in the LTS release
[13:37] <knome> like in 12.04? (:
[13:37] <ochosi> hehe
[13:38] <ochosi> well if the 4.14 progress means we might be able to upgrade 16.04 to it "soon after the release"...
[13:38] <knome> hah
[13:38] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, ofourdan is not a fan of us picking the vsync patch for xubuntu (read #xfce-dev ftm)
[14:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: it's ok, we're past ff now and I wasn't sure about it yet
[14:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: re: 16.04 and 4.14
[14:26] <bluesabre> let's not ship too many dev things
[14:26] <bluesabre> unless we're already carrying them in wily
[14:27] <bluesabre> can be a huge pain to update them later in that lts cycle, so many things change around in dev releases
[14:29] <bluesabre> let's shoot for a really solid release ;)
[16:26] <sidi> Hey, im having trouble building the Xubuntu 14.04 version of Thunar
[16:26] <sidi> says I'm missing thunar-thumbnail-cache-dbus.xml
[17:36] <knome> bluesabre, i think i generally agree - mostly because i don't think there's anything worth breaking our LTS in 4.13
[17:51] <knome> bluesabre, and heads up, we want to upload the wallpaper before UIF, please tell me when you need it so you will certainly have time to upload it
[17:51] <knome> slickymasterWork, ping ping, we should look at updating the installer slideshow some time soon
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> yes we should knome. Next sunday? Are you free?
[17:53] <slickymasterWork> I'll be unavailable tonight and tomorrow all day
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> still no word from neither from dylan or from graber
[17:55] <slickymasterWork> - from
[17:58] <slickymasterWork> have to go now, knome but will be around sunday
[18:05] <knome> slickymaster, sunday should work, though wife has a day off, so i don't know about the day
[18:06] <knome> slickymaster, evening is good as always
[19:01] <bluesabre> sidi: ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode
[19:02] <bluesabre> knome: anytime you want to make it available I can upload it
[19:49] <sidi> bluesabre, damn that must be what i was missing
[19:49] <sidi> i ended up copy pastaing xml files from another build tree, so lame :x
[19:50] <knome> sidi, newb.
[19:55] <sidi> knome, meh.
[19:55] <sidi> i was busy
[19:59] <bluesabre> sidi: that might have solved it, and if not, pretend that I didn't say anything
[20:00] <sidi> bluesabre, I reckon you're right from what I read in the makefiles
[20:00] <sidi> i'm pretty confident I forgot to use that flag
[20:00] <bluesabre> :)
[20:21] <pleia2> knome: flyers arrived early!
[20:25] <pleia2> knome: https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/20966299721/ & https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/20966314621/
[20:26] <pleia2> (and anyone else who is interested :))
[20:28] <bluesabre> pleia2: those look great!
[20:29] <pleia2> yeah, I'm really happy with them
[20:34] <knome> pleia2, awesome
[20:34] <knome> now you can close your work item and see it being done today on the timeline ;)
[20:35] <pleia2> yeah already DONE-ed in
[20:35] <pleia2> s/in/it
[20:35] <knome> cool
[20:35] <knome> and it shows up as it should
[20:35] <knome> \o/
[20:36] <knome> we should get these up on the website and social mediaize it
[20:36] <pleia2> social mediaed
[20:36] <knome> oh
[20:36] <knome> ok
[20:36] <pleia2> no time to do blog post right now, maybe once we update the website and generate download links and stuff
[20:36]  * pleia2 airplane in a few hours
[20:38] <knome> ok, i'll be on my desktop soon and can prepare stuff etc
[21:04] <mhall119> pleia2: are you getting community donations money to print those flyers?
[21:08] <knome> updated http://xubuntu.org/products/ with preliminary stuff; will move the files to static.xubuntu.org later
[21:08] <knome> pleia2, ^ feel free to comment (or just overwrite) if you think it can be further improved)
[21:55] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah agreed
[22:09] <knome> pleia2, lp:xubuntu-website/static-assets is updated for your pleasure
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, quick question: does the formatting of the release names satisfy you in the sidebar at http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/blog/ ?
[22:09] <knome> ochosi, and is http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/release/14-04/ fine for the formatting as is?
[22:10] <knome> if yes, then i'll ask IS to take this to production
[22:10] <ochosi> looks good to me, but why does 13.04 not have a codename?
[22:11] <knome> because it's not inserted
[22:11] <ochosi>  /o\
[22:11] <knome> hah
[22:12] <ochosi> no seriously, looks good to me :)
[22:13] <knome> heh, good to have checked.
[22:13] <knome> let's make a sane order for the widget.
[22:13]  * knome looks up the documentation for "get_germs"
[22:14] <knome> oopsiedaisy.
[22:14] <knome> no natural "version" sort
[22:35] <knome> righto, done
[22:37] <knome> poking IS next
[22:43] <knome> ok, done
[23:40] <azzenovic_> hi I've read about xubuntu core and I was wondering apart from being bare bones(no application preinstalled nearly) does it offer the same xfce experience as Xubuntu ?
[23:43] <knome> not exactly the same, but there are surely similarities
[23:43] <azzenovic_> mmmm in other words what am i gonna miss exactly?
[23:44] <knome> there is no definite list
[23:44] <knome> see yourself
[23:47] <azzenovic_> Xubuntu has been surprising me for years and to be frank I needed something barebones like xubuntu core


[02:11] <Unit193> /nick eth1
[03:42] <Unit193> bluesabre: Great!  You did exactly what I did then, and delta can drop next release: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git/commit/?id=477d9ddba9a6699ce8899a9282591e5395bc44fa
[03:42] <bluesabre> :)
[03:43] <bluesabre> queue-bot is still active, huh? no more auto-approvals it looks like currently
[03:44] <bluesabre> thankfully I'm running out of utopic uploads finally
[03:44] <Unit193> Hah, yeah. :P
[03:55]  * bluesabre wonders if it will auto-accept anyway
[03:57] <Unit193> No FFe?
[04:00] <bluesabre> micro-release
[04:01] <bluesabre> does it mainly/only fix bugs?
[04:01] <bluesabre> might have slipped there...
[04:01] <bluesabre> oh dang
[04:02] <bluesabre> (bad bluesabre)
[04:12] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I wish we'd been allowed to MRE your apps too. Maybe they could become part of xfce?
[04:12] <Noskcaj> Same with the whiskermenu guy
[04:13] <bluesabre> yeah, could be desirable
[04:34] <bluesabre> knome: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmusicbrowser/+bug/1374682
[04:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: in case I missed anything obvious ^
[04:38] <bluesabre> heading to bed now, bbl
[06:28] <forestpiskie> Unit193: nope
[11:03] <knome> bluesabre, ack'd it docs-team wise
[11:11] <bluesabre> knome: thanks
[11:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: able to make the login window transparent with the greeter branch
[11:26] <bluesabre> need to make sure it works well with Ambiance and Adwaita, then I'll probably merge it into trunk
[11:36] <bluesabre> yup, works well with Adwaita, Ambiance, and Numix, I'm content
[12:28] <bluesabre> bbabl
[13:54] <bluesabre> back
[13:55] <elfy> wb bluesabre :)
[13:55] <bluesabre> thanks
[14:21] <slickymaster> knome, thanks for acknowledging bug 1374682
[14:21] <knome> np
[15:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: great! saw you merged the branch already. is the theming still off?
[15:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: looks good to me, nothing seems really amiss
[18:25] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: care to nominate these for trusty?
[18:25] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1374802
[18:25] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mugshot/+bug/1353530
[18:26] <bluesabre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mugshot/+bug/1310634
[19:28] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, done
[19:29] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: thanks
[19:29] <knome> bluesabre, see #x and tell if i'm wrong.
[19:42] <brainwash> bluesabre, Noskcaj: this one is still on the todo list, bug 1365965
[19:42] <bluesabre> yup
[19:42] <bluesabre> going to upload 4.11.8 today or tomorrow
[19:43] <brainwash> wow, awesome :)
[19:43] <bluesabre> slowly making my way through everything, working on xfburn now
[20:00] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, MREs are for bugfix only, therefor xfburn can't be MREed
[20:00] <bluesabre> ah
[20:01] <bluesabre> well, thats lame :)
[20:23] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: since MREs aren't quite as well documented, is a single note with MRE and bug number sufficient?
[20:23] <bluesabre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8442829/
[20:27] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, It's meant to be an FFe that's easier to get. Use bug 1324815 as an example
[20:27] <bluesabre> thanks
[20:28] <Noskcaj> So (i think) do all changes in one release rather than a "backport" release
[20:28] <bluesabre> alrighty