[03:09] <sml1> ahh ok
[03:09] <HappyFool> sml1: hmm
[03:09] <HappyFool> sml1: where is base-config running?
[03:10] <HappyFool> sml1: anyway, maybe you can kill it, but it sounds like your system is in a precarious state overall
[03:10] <hatake_kakashi> dooglus, hmm that's odd.. 5.04 release.. I used the jre and it worked after I did exactly what the sun website mentioned.. well similar but yeah it worked
[03:10] <sml1> HappyFool .. base-config .. not sure ?
[03:11] <Drajka> k o.O I got the ubuntu login screen up
[03:11] <Drajka> but i still can't login
[03:11] <Drajka> =|
[03:11] <sml1> HappyFool ... it was only a fresh install the other day .. this doesn't sound easy to fix .. so maybe a reinstall is the best option!
[03:11] <kemik> dooglus:  breezy isnt stable so you'll have to expect more bugs
[03:11] <Drajka> I don't know the info >.<!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:11] <Drajka> :x
[03:11] <kemik> Drajka:  well that's not good
[03:11] <HappyFool> sml1: indeed. i'd recommend sticking with hoary for the moment
[03:11] <Drajka> I'm pretty sure my pass is kthx
[03:11] <Paprika> I have a problem. I didn't got a chance to set the root password on install. What can I do?
[03:11] <kemik> Drajka:  follow NG's advice on how to reset the password
[03:11] <HappyFool> sml1: if you like, try 'sudo pkill base-config'
[03:11] <Drajka> because i did the command.. and that's wh at cmae up
[03:11] <Drajka> It's not hte pass
[03:11] <Drajka> I don't know the user name
[03:12] <Drajka> =|
[03:12] <sml1> HappyFool .. yes I would have .. but I had problems with it freezing on start-up that I couldn't resolve :(
[03:12] <hatake_kakashi> Paprika, you can use sudo bash
[03:12] <Seveas> Drajka, reboot into recovery mode
[03:12] <kemik> that's shown in plaintext in youer /etc/passw
[03:12] <kemik> that's shown in plaintext in youer /etc/passwd
[03:12] <Ng> Drajka: you can find out by rebooting into recovery mode and running "grep 1000 /etc/passwd" (the first part is the username), then you can reset the password for it with "passwd yourusername"
[03:12] <sml1> HappyFool .. at least breezy didnt have the start-up problem :)
[03:12] <hatake_kakashi> Paprika, btw, I don't think there is a root password according to the documentation
[03:12] <Seveas> Drajka, then hit enter to login as root and type: cat /etc/passwd | grep 1000
[03:12] <Seveas> that will show you your username
[03:12] <Drajka> o.O ok
[03:12] <hatake_kakashi> Paprika, and you use your login password, that will work
[03:12] <HappyFool> sml1: ok, can't help you there, sorry
[03:13] <sml1> HappyFool .. ok here goes with that command!! hopefully I will still be here :)
[03:13] <spare\sov> hey
[03:13] <Drajka> kk :x
[03:13] <Paprika> hatake_kakashi: Thanks!
[03:13] <hatake_kakashi> Paprika, np
[03:14] <sml1> HappyFool ... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1654
[03:14] <sml1> no good :(
[03:14] <SpareXX> if i've choosed to delete the slave disk first in the install, does it install on the slave disk then? i deleted the slave(you know what i mean) and now it's installing, is it installing on the slave disk then?
[03:15] <sml1> HappyFool .. do you think I should reinstall ?
[03:15] <kemik> SpareXX:  if you choose to put / on that drive then yes
[03:15] <HappyFool> sml1: i don't know; probably easiest
[03:15] <deFrysk> sml1, if you have a hard time cofigging your hoary better not to upgrade te breezy (yet)
[03:17] <sml1> deFrysk ... I was planning to stick with hoary .. but it was freezing on start-up with my notebook. luckily breezy solved that problem.
[03:17] <lightning_manu> hi
[03:17] <deFrysk> sml1, then make sure to run the updates properly without forcing anything
[03:18] <sml1> deFrysk ... yes .. for sure .. lesson learnt  .. although I am blaming the mirror  - mirror.pacific.net.au
[03:19] <SpareXX> kemik: ok, thanks
[03:19] <deFrysk> sml1, any probs with any repo , just ask here or check the wiki
[03:19] <SpareXX> kemik: but i should install it on the master disk right?
[03:19] <deFrysk> sml1, and stay away from ubuntuguide ;)
[03:20] <kemik> SpareXX:  no, you should install it where you have freespace
[03:20] <kemik> !ubuntuguide
[03:20] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntuguide is a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. The official FAQ Guide will be released with Breezy, stay tuned.
[03:21] <Drajka> :O
[03:21] <kemik> success Drajka ?
[03:21] <sml1> deFrysk .. ok .. i would like to ask ... why would I have been able to downoad only 80 out of the approx 100 updates on that mirror - was it some sort of syncing problem?
[03:21] <uthini> wooohoooo
[03:21] <uthini> i got sound to work!
[03:21] <uthini> i'm leet :P
[03:21] <Drajka> I'm on freaking linux =S
[03:21] <Drajka> lol
[03:21] <uthini> erm does this server have ajoin?
[03:21] <kemik> Drajka:  next time, remember your username/password ;)
[03:22] <deFrysk> sml1, could be the unstable repo gets synced regurarly (often)
[03:22] <Seveas> uthini, no
[03:22] <Drajka> well... it was kthx/kthx
[03:22] <Drajka> LOL
[03:22] <Drajka> I don't even know where w00t came from, though I'm sure I typed it in somewhere.
[03:22] <Drajka> It's something I'd do. :)
[03:22] <sml1> deFrysk .. so I should have just waited for a bit then?
[03:22] <deFrysk> sml1, if its stops downloading working , just apt-get update and then again apt0get upgrade
[03:23] <deFrysk> or dist-upgrade
[03:23] <sml1> deFrysk .. yes i tried all that for 5 mins, then bailed and looked for a new mirror
[03:23] <Drajka> oops lol
[03:24] <sml1> deFrysk .. anyway i had better get into my reinstall :(
[03:24] <Drajka> it seems to take a long time to resolve the irc srver in linuz..
[03:24] <Drajka> <.<
[03:24] <deFrysk> sml1, just use apt-get and dont install the downloaded packages manually
[03:24] <Drajka> maybe I'm just paranoid.. >.>
[03:24] <Seveas> Drajka, install pidentd if you want to connect to freenode faster
[03:24] <deFrysk> sml1, and have some patience of and on
[03:24] <Seveas> and if you're behind a NAT router, forward port 113 to your machine
[03:24] <Drajka> Oh, I see, and how does a noob install that. :]
[03:24] <Drajka> I'm installing ubuntu updates now..
[03:25] <DjKritical> When you tell synaptic to "remove completely" is that the same as apt-get --purge?
[03:25] <Seveas> DjKritical, yes
[03:25] <sml1> deFrysk .. i thought synaptic would have highlighted any dependcy problems though? it didn't, so i just pressed on and installed!
[03:25] <Seveas> Drajka, system -> admin -> synaptic
[03:25] <Seveas> search for pidentd in there
[03:26] <Drajka> stupid xchat.. :[
[03:26] <deFrysk> sml1, with synaptic ?
[03:26] <Drajka> Dosen't understand /server -m commands.
[03:26] <Drajka> And I know there's never going to be any mIRC support for Linux.. so...
[03:27] <rob^> pfft
[03:27] <sml1> deFrysk .. yes.
[03:27] <SpareXX> should i install some antivirus and firewall? Or don't i need that?
[03:27] <deFrysk> and did you wait till synaptic was fully done ?
[03:27] <rob^> if you *really* want mirc use wine
[03:27] <kemik> Drajka:  xchat has multipleserver support
[03:27] <kemik> Drajka:  and mirc can be run using Wine
[03:27] <hatake_kakashi> Drajka, short answer no, long answer yes
[03:28] <hatake_kakashi> Drajka, Ctrl+T will open new server tab
[03:28] <hatake_kakashi> SpareXX, you should configure firewall, yes.. antivirus? maybe if you really wanted to
[03:29] <sml1> deFrysk ... if you are interested .. the synaptic history to death is here .... http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1655
[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 15:10:17<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 14:59:36<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 14:59:24<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 14:51:09<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 14:38:07<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 14:33:45<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 13:53:54<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:46:30<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:37:54<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:37:45<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:36:23<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:36:07<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:33:38<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:31:59<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:29] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:19:28<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:30] <Seveas> --- #ubuntu-unregged Banlist: Sat Aug 27 03:18:06<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:30] <Drajka> Seveas, pastebin. ;) Just kidding.. really.. I'm kidding.. don't kick me :s
[03:30] <Seveas> damnit!
[03:30] <Seveas> (sorry folks)
[03:30] <hatake_kakashi> o.O
[03:30] <chrissturm> that was funny
[03:30] <funkyHat> lmao @ Drajka
[03:31] <SpareXX> hatake_kakashi which firewall do you recommend?
[03:31] <Seveas> sorry for the floofing folks, just trying to combat spambots
[03:31] <hatake_kakashi> SpareXX, by default literally every linux distribution has a firewall called iptables
[03:31] <DonL> Seveas, I'm glad you're doing that, but I'm still trying to figure out what happened
[03:31] <deFrysk> sml1, honestly , to bad it did not work but it seems to me that its just the unstable version is the reason it did not work
[03:31] <nalioth_zZz> Seveas: shouldnt you better send your info to the overlords in freenode, so they can globally kill them?
[03:32] <hatake_kakashi> SpareXX, but doing it by hand is a pain and unless if you really want to have fun with the messing around, otherwise I'm sure there are iptable scripts that you can get
[03:32] <Seveas> nalioth_zZz, they are doing so, but I want to get the -r removed asap
[03:32] <sml1> deFrysk ... no worries .. what is your involvement with ubuntu anyway? just curious?
[03:32] <Drajka> I can't believe I"m on linux ;)
[03:32] <Drajka> lol
[03:32] <tombs> hi ppl
[03:32] <chrissturm> hmm, why do i get SSL not supported when trying to check out from a https url with svn?
[03:33] <Drajka> It's very shiny.
[03:33] <liquidfire> Oo?
[03:33] <deFrysk> sml1, interest , thats all , I like the distro and open source is about giving something back to the comunity
[03:34] <Seveas> [ATTENTION]  +r mode has been removed. If anybody gets private message spam, LET ME KNOW!
[03:34] <Paradoxx> hello all...
[03:34] <hatake_kakashi> Paradoxx, hi
[03:34] <Paradoxx> a little help needed
[03:34] <hatake_kakashi> Paradoxx, ?
[03:34] <Paradoxx> when i update, it updates all my packages except 5..
[03:34] <dooglus> what is +r mode?
[03:34] <nalioth> or you guys can register your nicks, and then set +E on yourselves (+E keeps unregged users from PMing you)
[03:34] <Paradoxx> that is, gaim, gimp, firefox and 2 others
[03:34] <deFrysk> Seveas, does that mean we can all pm you again Seveas  ? ;p
[03:35] <Seveas> deFrysk, good call, I'll -CE myself
[03:35] <deFrysk> :D
[03:35] <sml1> deFrysk  ... ok .. thanks for your help anyway ... luckily the installs are quick and easy!
[03:35] <Paradoxx> it says that it is hold back those 5 apps..
[03:35] <Paradoxx> how can i correct this?
[03:35] <funkyHat> dooglus, registered nicks only
[03:35] <HappyFool> Paradoxx: what command are you running?
[03:35] <dooglus> how long does it take to register a new nick?  less than a second?
[03:35] <Drajka> Thanks guys.
[03:35] <Paradoxx> from synaptic
[03:36] <liquidfire> Can I use gnomebaker for burning ripped dvd's?
[03:36] <nalioth> Paradoxx: if you are running official ubuntu repos, then there is a reason known to the devs why you arent getting your things
[03:36] <liquidfire> I don't see any videomode option in it
[03:36] <liquidfire> or do i need to use the data mode option
[03:36] <Paradoxx> and when i try todo them manually i get the same thing...
[03:36] <nalioth> liquidfire: i find k3b to work best of the -burners
[03:36] <deFrysk> Paradoxx, holding back packs means its missing deps so they cannot be installed
[03:36] <Paradoxx> eg, apt-get dist-upgrade gaim
[03:36] <HappyFool> Paradoxx: this is when you do 'Mark all upgrades' and then 'Apply' ?
[03:36] <Seveas> Paradoxx, did you enable backports?
[03:36] <Paradoxx> yea, and i just tried to get the deps, and still have prob
[03:36] <Paradoxx> yep
[03:37] <Seveas> disable them
[03:37] <liquidfire> nalioth, is there a video-dvd burning option in it ?
[03:37] <Paradoxx> y is that?
[03:37] <nalioth> liquidfire: you mean like "burn a video dvd"?
[03:37] <funkyHat> Paradoxx, backports are likely to break your system
[03:37] <nalioth> liquidfire: yes i believe so
[03:38] <liquidfire> dvd yes
[03:38] <Stormx2> Hey Seveas, i'm having some problems compiling packages from source. A lot of them complain GLIB 1.2.2 or higher isn't installed, but I have the package installed (from synaptic)
[03:38] <Paradoxx> kk
[03:38] <Paradoxx> i gtg
[03:38] <Paradoxx> talk to u all later
[03:38] <Seveas> they have server problems and are generally bad news
[03:38] <hatake_kakashi> Stormx2, check your glib version
[03:38] <nalioth> Stormx2: have apt build the pkg for you (if applicable)
[03:38] <liquidfire> or do i need to make video_ts and audio_ts myslf?
[03:38] <Seveas> Stormx2, install glib-$VERSION-dev
[03:38] <hatake_kakashi> maybe they have installed the later ones into different directory\
[03:38] <Stormx2> Seveas: OK.
[03:38] <Stormx2> I'll give that a go.
[03:38] <Stormx2> (and btw I have GLIB 1.2.10 installed)
[03:38] <nalioth> liquidfire: enable all official repos (except backports) and then browswe synatpic for video tools
[03:39] <nalioth> liquidfire: i believe you'll be pleased
[03:40] <dooglus> can someone help me set up iptables to allow me to mount an smbfs windows share please?
[03:41] <hatake_kakashi> dooglus, did you use a script to configure iptables or did you do it by hand?
[03:41] <root_> Whelp
[03:41] <dooglus> hatake_kakashi: I use ipkungfu
[03:41] <nalioth> dooglus: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[03:42] <sugoruyo> hi
[03:42] <sugoruyo> anyone using e16 on ubuntu hoary?
[03:42] <dooglus> thanks nalioth
[03:42] <persia> Could someone suggest a resource where I could learn how to enable a Wastebasket on my desktop?
[03:42] <Seveas> persia, it's in the panel
[03:43] <Seveas> bottom right
[03:43] <persia> Seveas: It's not in my panel, it crashes whenever I load it, and I'd like it on my desktop anyway.  I realize it's supposed to be in the panel, and the reason it doesn't work is my own fault, but...
[03:43] <sugoruyo> anyone using e16 on ubuntu hoary?
[03:44] <Seveas> persia, open gconf-editor
[03:44] <persia> Seveas: Thanks.
[03:44] <Seveas> go to the key /apps/nautilus/desktop/
[03:44] <Seveas> it has a 'show_wastebasket' key or something like that
[03:45] <persia> Seveas: Works great!  Thanks again.
[03:45] <Blue-Omega> thanks Seveas
[03:45] <Seveas> yw
[03:45] <ubuntuser> hello, i wanted to enter that server several times before 2day, and sth was wrong?
[03:45] <ubuntuser> i was redirected
[03:46] <liquidfire> read the topic ubuntuser
[03:46] <liquidfire> it said we had an attack
[03:47] <DjKritical> anyone know when the Wine (Universe) package will be fixed/updated?
[03:47] <sugoruyo> anyone using e16 on ubuntu hoary?
[03:48] <Bols> What is going on with the searching on ubuntuforums ?!
[03:48] <Seveas> ubuntuser, in the redirect channel ist is in the topic and the periodic announcements
[03:49] <acidborg> hello
[03:49] <ubuntuser> yhm
[03:49] <ubuntuser> i get it
[03:49] <acidborg> my cdrom device doesn't open, neither executing eject nor manually
[03:49] <sugoruyo> so noone uses enlightenment on ubuntu hoary/
[03:49] <ubuntuser> i that ive done sth wrong with my net
[03:50] <ubuntuser> aciborg: umount it
[03:50] <ubuntuser> umount /dev/cdrom
[03:50] <ubuntuser> if it isn'i used by any programm
[03:50] <persia> acidborg: Do you have anything currently accessing the CDROM?    I think you need to be in this group to have eject access to the device.
[03:56] <HappyFool> liquidfire: maybe dvdrtools is what you want?
[03:56] <manu_> I like to get Id3 Information with musicbrainz, but it doesn't work. the guys from amarok said, it's an ubuntu error. can somebody help me?
[03:56] <liquidfire> maybe
[03:57] <liquidfire> Is it in the repos HappyFool ?
[03:57] <Seveas> Drajka, nope
[03:57] <HappyFool> !info dvdrtools
[03:57] <acidborg> persia: yes,it is
[03:57] <ubotu> dvdrtools: (DVD writing program), section multiverse/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.1.5-4 (hoary), Packaged size: 126 kB, Installed size: 328 kB
[03:57] <nalioth> liquidfire: if you've got the ifo/vob then just drop em into a video_ts and be done with it
[03:57] <nalioth> liquidfire: i dont think you browsed very hard in your synaptic
[03:58] <liquidfire> well maybe i didn't
[03:58] <acidborg> now,after executing eject as root, i can open the cdrom manually but no by "eject"
[03:58] <liquidfire> but i only came across some encoding tools
[03:58] <HappyFool> i see there's also a dvd+rw-tools; don't what the difference is
[03:58] <HappyFool> !info dvd+rw-tools
[03:58] <ubotu> dvd+rw-tools: (DVD+-RW/R tools), section utils, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>.8-1ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 91 kB, Installed size: 304 kB
[03:58] <spiral> hi
[03:58] <uthini> !bavkports
[03:58] <ubotu> uthini: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[03:58] <uthini> !backports
[03:58] <ubotu> Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[03:58] <HappyFool> it is in main, rather than multiverse, if that matters
[03:59] <Drajka> Aww...
[03:59] <HappyFool> hmm. the splash screen for blender is very weird
[04:00] <Drajka> Alrighty.. I suppose I'll just stay in here, since I'm hella noob.. I couldn't possibly NOT need your guys help. :]  Linux is pretty cool, though I would like an app that let's me monitor network bandwidth in real time... If anyone has ever used Bandwidth Monitor Pro for windows.. I mean something similar to that
[04:00] <walde> I am using Ubuntu-standard-kernel. In the cryptopart of /boot/config.... aes seems to be compiled as module (CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_586=m). But I cannot find this module (Yes, I have problems with AES)
[04:00] <lee> this may a stupid question but how do you mount a floppy drive when booted from the hoary livecd?
[04:00] <persia> acidborg: Does eject -v tell you anything useful?
[04:00] <Seveas> Drajka, bwm
[04:00] <Drajka> =x
[04:01] <acidborg> does nautilus-cd-burning work? i insert a blank disk but it always asks me to insert a blank disk instead of burning
[04:01] <manu_> I like to get Id3 Information with musicbrainz, but it doesn't work. the guys from amarok said, it's an ubuntu error. can somebody help me?
[04:01] <HappyFool> walde: you mean this: kernel/arch/i386/crypto/aes-i586.ko ? (relative to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[04:01] <ubuntuser> when i want od apt-get update i get:
[04:02] <ubuntuser> W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
[04:02] <ubuntuser> W: Naley uruchomi apt-get update aby naprawi te problemy.
[04:02] <ubuntuser> never mind last sentence
[04:02] <ubuntuser> whats wrong?
[04:03] <HappyFool> lee: try 'sudo mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy' ?
[04:03] <nlitement> why are these shit SPAMMING ON FREENODE? god's sake it's a "support channel community" network, even efnet doesnt have as much spam as this despite the ddos-problems
[04:03] <nlitement> *these shits
[04:03] <HappyFool> lee: maybe just 'mount /dev/fd0' will work
[04:03] <persia> ubuntuser: You've the marillat repositories enabled.  You'll need to add that key to your keyring, accept the unverified packages, or remove that repository.
[04:03] <HiddenWolf> Guys, I have a problem. I backed up my mail files from Thunderbird, but forgot to backup ~/.Mozilla-thunderbird. I now want to import my old mail into thunderbird. How do I do this?
[04:03] <walde> HappyFool, I know where the modules are stored. There are several cryptomoduls, but no aes. When I am using losetup I got no errormessage. But somehow the devices are not mountable. I used a aes-256 encryption
[04:04] <HappyFool> walde: sorry, that's beyond my knowledge
[04:04] <Drajka> Meh.. Suppose I need help again. ;) I need to put a script in the xchat folder, but I don' thave write permissions?
[04:04] <walde> HappyFool, thank you anyway
[04:04] <ubuntuser> i want to download package gstreamer0.8-lame
[04:04] <_adam> I'm trying to install the DVD reading packages through synaptic, but whenever I try to install them it just stays at the preparing packages screen forever.
[04:04] <ubuntuser> and :/
[04:05] <HappyFool> ubuntuser: tried hoary-extras?
[04:05] <HappyFool> !hoary-extras
[04:05] <ubotu> methinks hoary-extras is see  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org ; example hoary repo: deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[04:05] <BSG75> anyone know why I can't install j2re1.5?
[04:05] <rolo> anybody knows a p2p client for ubuntu..?
[04:05] <Determinist> would an intel CPU with HT require kernel SMP support? if not would it do any good if installed?
[04:06] <BSG75> rolo: try emule, edonkey, limewire
[04:06] <Determinist> rolo: amule for ED2k
[04:06] <Seveas> BSG75, breezy?
[04:06] <persia> Determinist: A SMP kernel will take advantage of HT.
[04:06] <rolo> !limewire
[04:06] <ubotu> rumour has it, limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:06] <Determinist> persia: thanks
[04:06] <Seveas> Determinist, if you enable HT that is...
[04:06] <rolo> ty
[04:06] <Seveas> by default the SMP kernels have HT disabled
[04:06] <Drajka> Meh.. Suppose I need help again. ;) I need to put a script in the xchat folder, but I don' thave write permissions?
[04:06] <Determinist> Seveas: any reason why i shouldnt or wouldnt want to?
[04:07] <Seveas> there's I minor security bug in the hardware design of HT
[04:07] <BSG75>  whenever I try to apt-get install sun-j2re1.5 it says package can't be found
[04:07] <Determinist> Seveas: anything that would bother an avrage user?
[04:07] <liquidfire> BSG75, what version are you using
[04:07] <liquidfire> 64bit ?
[04:07] <persia> Determinist: If you run encryption, another user on the same box has a very slight chance of collecting your key.
[04:07] <BSG75> 5.04
[04:07] <Seveas> Determinist, nothing that would bother anyone but true paranoid people...
[04:07] <uthini> Seveas, i'm getting bad headerlines from apt-get when i try to update? whats causing it?
[04:08] <liquidfire> i mean
[04:08] <Determinist> Seveas: i see
[04:08] <Seveas> uthini, how would I know...
[04:08] <Determinist> persia: thanks
[04:08] <liquidfire> do you use the 64 or 32bit release ?
[04:08] <Seveas> BSG75, grab a deb from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:08] <uthini> Seveas, i thought u mite know whats causing the error, cos now i can't update my system, ohwell, gonna install kde and run away
[04:09] <ompaul> Drajka, you don't have permissions to your own .xchat2/ directories?
[04:10] <nalioths_dog> BSG75: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[04:10] <Drajka> I don't know o.O
[04:10] <Drajka> That's what it said >.<
[04:10] <boma> hi there
[04:11] <BSG75> Seveas: 401 error
[04:11] <Seveas> BSG75, PM
[04:11] <nalioth> BSG75: the dogs method will work
[04:13] <liquidfire> how can i make a shortcut to a program ?
[04:13] <DjKritical> anyone know the package name for the X development headers?
[04:13] <liquidfire> i installed java but i need to start it trough the console
[04:13] <liquidfire> i mean
[04:14] <liquidfire> azureus
[04:14] <ompaul> liquidfire, on your desktop for instance?
[04:14] <dwerf> liquidfire > use control + drag
[04:14] <liquidfire> yeah
[04:14] <liquidfire> ompaul,
[04:14] <liquidfire> dwerf, that doesn't work
[04:14] <liquidfire> I get a tabe asking me what to do
[04:14] <liquidfire> =/
[04:14] <liquidfire> *tab
[04:14] <ompaul> liquidfire, do this right click on the desktop and choose create launcher
[04:15] <nalioth> liquidfire: you are after a command called "ln"
[04:15] <rolo> http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire, it all works but then I can't open Limewire, anybody knows what to do?
[04:15] <DjKritical> anyone know the package name for the X development headers?
[04:15] <liquidfire> nalioth, where should i put the command ?
[04:15] <Seveas> rolo, yeah, ditch ubuntuguide :)
[04:15] <Seveas> DjKritical, xlibs-dev
[04:15] <ompaul> liquidfire, then use name to provide your discription and for command the command line and fill in as many  more details as you want
[04:16] <Seveas> DjKritical, what are you compiling?
[04:16] <DjKritical> Wine
[04:16] <aftertaf> hi all....
[04:16] <nalioth> Seveas: i wish i had your memory (sorry forgot the experiemental solid-state core you have)
[04:16] <aftertaf> got a grub n00bie problem :/
[04:16] <Seveas> damn it
[04:17] <liquidfire> hmm
[04:17] <liquidfire> i just copied the command
[04:17] <liquidfire> java used
[04:17] <Seveas> more spambots...
[04:17] <liquidfire> to exec azureus :o
[04:17] <liquidfire> That works :D
[04:18] <Hoxzer> ;/ somebody else getting porn spam by pm?
[04:18] <Seveas> Hoxzer, yes, use /umode +CE
[04:18] <ubuntuser> HappyFool: what do you mean hoary-extras?
[04:18] <ubuntuser> :>
[04:18] <ompaul> HappyFool, pm?
[04:18] <HappyFool> !tell ubuntuser about hoary-extras
[04:18] <liquidfire> can i give azureus permissions to write/change files
[04:19] <liquidfire> because it wants to update itself
[04:19] <liquidfire> but then it says can't update
[04:19] <liquidfire> No write permission
[04:19] <ubuntuser> yhm
[04:19] <ubuntuser> thx
[04:19] <HappyFool> ompaul: have pm'd you
[04:19] <liquidfire> !pastebin
[04:19] <ubotu> it has been said that pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:20] <aftertaf> i have googled for help & stuff about grub but i can't find anything that helps me!!!
[04:20] <thread> what's the password on the hoary livecd? username ubuntu, pass ?
[04:20] <DjKritical> more spam
[04:20] <DjKritical> ASLI^ = spambot
[04:20] <Seveas> thread, no pass
[04:20] <HappyFool> thread: try just <neter> ?
[04:21] <thread> that didn't work...
[04:21] <HappyFool> enter, even
[04:21] <thread> when the screen locked
[04:21] <Seveas> it looked so hopeful...
[04:21] <thread> and the screensaver came on
[04:21] <thread> the username was ubuntu
[04:21] <thread> but a blank pass didn't work
[04:21] <Seveas> thread, that unfortunately is a bug
[04:21] <thread> ew
[04:22] <thread> a nasty one at that!
[04:22] <Seveas> switch to a console with [ctrl] [alt] [f1]
[04:22] <Seveas> login
[04:22] <Seveas> and type: killall -q xscreensaver
[04:22] <Seveas> then go back with [alt] [f7]
[04:22] <thread> Seveas: nod
[04:22] <thread> thx
[04:23] <liquidfire> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1656 can somebody help me with this :)?
[04:23] <aftertaf> when i recompile a kernel and install with kpkg, do i need to update the boot loader like lilo needs to?
[04:23] <ubuntuser> another question: is it possible that apt-get download missing packages to currently instelled
[04:23] <ubuntuser> ?
[04:23] <ubuntuser> because gstreamer0.8-lame requires libglame0
[04:24] <dooglus> nalioth: I'm still having a problem with iptables and smbfs.
[04:24] <ubuntuser> do I have to manually install all required packs
[04:24] <ubuntuser> ??
[04:24] <Seveas> aftertaf, no
[04:24] <dooglus> when I try to mount a windows share, I see an incoming connection on port 32795.  or port 32786.  or something slightly different each time.
[04:24] <Seveas> the kernel packages take care of that
[04:24] <aftertaf> ok.. cheers!
[04:25] <aftertaf> i followed the making of an initrd as per ->mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:25] <persia> ubuntuuser: If you cannot find a repository that contains the packages for apt-get to find them, you'll need to install the dependencies manually.  Have you looked at hoary-extras?
[04:25] <ubuntuser> yes
[04:26] <ubuntuser> persia: and its missing liblame0
[04:26] <aftertaf> and how do i add my zindope to the boot menu? i know how to with lilo (debian) but i'm new to kubuntu + grub.
[04:26] <ubuntuser> what can I do to automatically install all missing
[04:26] <SpareXX> which drivers shall i download for nvidia drivers freebsd x86? or linux ia 32 ?
[04:26] <aftertaf> bugs me to have to ask, but google no joy <:-(
[04:26] <dwerf> how can i check if a server had perl installed - remote?
[04:26] <rolo> anybody knows how to install macromedia flash, since apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla doesn't wor?
[04:26] <rolo> work?
[04:26] <persia> ubuntuser: It's in multiverse.  Sorry for the misdirection.
[04:27] <ubuntuser> ;]
[04:27] <aftertaf> rolo: swf-player ?? does that work?
[04:27] <rolo> let's c
[04:27] <rolo> !swf-player
[04:27] <ubotu> rolo: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[04:27] <rolo> uups
[04:27] <rolo> lol
[04:28] <SpareXX> which drivers shall i download for nvidia drivers freebsd x86? or linux ia 32 ?
[04:28] <Seveas> none
[04:28] <hatake_kakashi> Seveas, bah! thanks for that before :) I can't believe these script-kiddies.. they are making a very nice living for others
[04:28] <Seveas> use the drivers provided by ubuntu
[04:28] <rolo> can't find that package eather
[04:28] <aftertaf> dunno if it works as a plugin with konqueror though..
[04:28] <aftertaf> rolo: really??? you added any more repositories?
[04:28] <SpareXX> Seveas uhm, ok, and they are installed within?
[04:29] <rolo> aftertaf uups didn't see that line
[04:29] <rolo> =)
[04:29] <Seveas> SpareXX: To keep your kernel current install one of linux-686 (for intel cpu) linux-k7 (for amd) or linux-ppc (for mac)
[04:29] <liquidfire> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1656 can somebody help me with this :)?
[04:29] <Lathiat> f
[04:29] <aftertaf> SpareXX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:30] <aftertaf> no idea if it works, havent rebooted yet since...
[04:30] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, ls -al /home/liquidfire/azureus/plugins/azplugins/azplugins_1.5.1.jar
[04:30] <Determinist> Seveas: is 2.6.11 stable? if memory doesnt fail me, kernel releases ending with uneven numbers are usually unstable releases
[04:31] <Seveas> Determinist, that hold for 2.3, 2.5, 2.13 etc...
[04:31] <aftertaf> nope...
[04:31] <hatake_kakashi> Determinist, I thought it would be 2.3, 2.5
[04:31] <Seveas> but the ubuntu 2.6.11 packages are not meant to be used
[04:31] <Determinist> Seveas: i see, so every 2.6.XX release is stable?
[04:31] <aftertaf> er. really?
[04:31] <Seveas> Determinist, not the ubuntu packaged
[04:31] <dwerf> how can i check if a server had perl installed - remote?
[04:31] <Seveas> the 2.6.11 were testbuilds
[04:32] <Determinist> Seveas: i see those available for install
[04:32] <Seveas> Determinist, but don't use them
[04:32] <Seveas> Determinist: To keep your kernel current install one of linux-686 (for intel cpu) linux-k7 (for amd) or linux-ppc (for mac)
[04:32] <aftertaf> ive just comp=iled the 2.6.11 too :/
[04:32] <Determinist> Seveas: i have 2.6.10-686
[04:32] <Seveas> good
[04:32] <Seveas> but have linux-686 installed too
[04:32] <Seveas> it's merely a metapackage'
[04:32] <rolo> aftertaf, thanks, it works
[04:33] <Seveas> will help you keeping the kernel uptodate
[04:33] <chrissturm> seveas: in 2.6 odd minor numbers are unstable
[04:33] <Determinist> Seveas: that too, and the header files too (needed those for the nvidia installer)
[04:33] <persia> chrissturm: Isn't that only true for 2.6.11 and 2.6.13?
[04:34] <aftertaf> Seveas: Should I remove the  2.6.10 & 2.6.11 packages then?
[04:34] <Determinist> according to that, breezy should include 2.6. what?
[04:34] <chrissturm> persia, dunno. maybe they change it again :)
[04:34] <aftertaf> rolo: that's a jammy 1st for me then ;)
[04:34] <Seveas> Determinist, .12
[04:34] <Determinist> mmkay
[04:35] <carnilo> I don't know how! but my php doesn't seem to be working. is there setting for apache to use php or not?
[04:35] <rolo> does anybody know why I don't have any sound when watching a flash movie?
[04:35] <BSG75> umm I just got spammed for webcamera sex movie
[04:35] <Determinist> carnilo: whats not working?
[04:36] <liquidfire> I doesn't work hatake_kakashi  :/
[04:36] <carnilo> it seems that php module is not loaded
[04:36] <aftertaf> BSG75: /umode +CE
[04:36] <Seveas> rolo, wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[04:36] <BSG75> thanks
[04:36] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, no no, I wanted to see the output of it.. I forgot to mention that part
[04:36] <Determinist> carnilo: are you sure you have all the right packages installed?
[04:36] <rolo> Seveas, thanks.
[04:37] <aftertaf> BSG: Seveas told us a bit ago, i just remembered ;)
[04:37] <funky> hi
[04:37] <carnilo> Determinist: apt-get install apache2, also php4
[04:37] <Viziri> for some reason i can't search the forums. I'm having problems installing kde - anyone else get those unmet dependent errors? I updated ubuntu and did all that stuff with repositories but still no good
[04:37] <ubuntuser> persia: it still demands liblame0 and it cannot install gstreamer0.8-lame
[04:38] <ubuntuser> it cant find it
[04:38] <Determinist> carnilo: you need afew more packages installed for php to work with apache...
[04:38] <Determinist> !lamp
[04:38] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Hoary is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:38] <letschatt> does anyone know if the default kernel that comes with ubuntu has acpi or apm support built in?
[04:38] <Determinist> carnilo: what ubotu just posted
[04:38] <carnilo> but I was looking into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[04:38] <aftertaf> letschatt: run make menuconfig and load the config file in /bot
[04:38] <funky> how can i downgrade a program, i have the breezy version installed and i want the hoary version, i have both reps. in source.list but Im using breezy by default, thx
[04:38] <aftertaf> boot/
[04:38] <persia> ubuntuser: At this point, you've enabled multiverse, and updated your apt cahce, right?
[04:38] <Determinist> carnilo: hmm, just a sec, i'll check which ones i had installed. never used that lamp one
[04:39] <letschatt> aftertaf, are you saying recompile from source?
[04:39] <aftertaf> nope but that way you can see what is selected ;)
[04:39] <letschatt> aftertaf, or just make menuconfig?
[04:39] <Determinist> carnilo: pm
[04:39] <letschatt> excellent i'd love to see that. thanks
[04:39] <ubuntuser> persia: I've added that link to sources.list and done apt-get update
[04:39] <ubuntuser> anything mor
[04:39] <ubuntuser> e
[04:40] <liquidfire> sorry hatake_kakashi i was getting something to drink
[04:40] <rolo> thanks saveas ot wprled
[04:40] <rolo> uups
[04:40] <rolo> it worked
[04:40] <letschatt> also, on windows my sound card has the same controls as linux, but the bass and treble i get are far higher
[04:40] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, np
[04:40] <_adam> Where can I find libdvdcss
[04:40] <aftertaf> letschatt: linux powa :)
[04:40] <liquidfire> it says file doesn't exsist
[04:40] <letschatt> hey that's spam
[04:40] <sean____> wow steavas :p
[04:40] <liquidfire> Seveas, at cleaning duty
[04:40] <liquidfire> =]
[04:40] <letschatt> hehe ok
[04:40] <Determinist> Seveas: how do i look at installed packages from command line? apt-?
[04:41] <letschatt> i thought someone was pasting some config file
[04:41] <sean____> lol
[04:41] <liquidfire> wow
[04:41] <youngcoder> lol
[04:41] <liquidfire> my monitor is acting wierd
[04:41] <persia> ubuntuser: OK.  Are you installing gstreamer0.8-lame from a repository, or locally?
[04:41] <liquidfire> the screen is getting blurry
[04:41] <aftertaf> so to recompile a new kernel on a 'fresh' kubuntu, i shouldn't install the packages linux-source-2.6.11 or 2.6.10... but the k7 (amd)
[04:41] <Seveas> apt-get
[04:41] <BSG75> LOL
[04:41] <SpareXX> what is the newest version of java?
[04:41] <letschatt> which irc client are you guys using? xchat's colours are crap
[04:41] <liquidfire> 1.5
[04:41] <funky> how can i downgrade a program, i have the breezy version installed and i want the hoary version, i have both reps. in source.list but Im using breezy by default, thx
[04:41] <Seveas> 1.5
[04:42] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, that's weird I thought you have that file there, what did you do to it?
[04:42] <Seveas> sun-j2re1.5 (1.5.0+update04 )
[04:42] <liquidfire> i didn't do anything lol
[04:42] <liquidfire> it downloaded
[04:42] <liquidfire> the file
[04:42] <liquidfire> And now it says its gone
[04:42] <topyli> letschatt: change the colors :)
[04:42] <SpareXX> ok, but when i type "sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5" it says package not found
[04:42] <BSG75> anyone else have gnome slow down to a crawl when copying files over 1gb over the network?  (doesn't if I do scp from terminal)
[04:42] <ubuntuser> persia: repository
[04:42] <ubuntuser> only:p
[04:43] <Seveas> SpareXX, grab a deb from seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:43] <sean____> anyone had any luck installing NeroLinux on ubunutu?
[04:43] <ubuntuser> redguy: Poland:d??
[04:43] <OculusAquilae> sean____: yes
[04:44] <nalioth> letschatt: use irssi (or give it a try)
[04:44] <cfaun> When I try to install software, I get the error: "dpkg: ../../main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed." How can this be resolved?
[04:44] <sean____> OculusAquilae, u install from the .deb?
[04:44] <redguy> ubuntuser: yup
[04:44] <OculusAquilae> sean____: yea
[04:44] <letschatt> i don't understand the colouring in xhcat .. :(  and i keep installing packages i amupto 1.5 gigs that's Xtreme Pain territory
[04:44] <ubuntuser> ;]
[04:44] <sean____> damn, im getting failed dependncy issues..
[04:44] <OculusAquilae> hm
[04:44] <nalioths_dog> SpareXX: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[04:44] <rolo> !emule
[04:44] <ubotu> I don't know, rolo
[04:44] <OculusAquilae> sean____: which ubuntu do you have?
[04:44] <rolo> !amule
[04:44] <ubotu> rolo: I give up, what is it?
[04:44] <sean____> hoary
[04:44] <rolo> !mule
[04:44] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, rolo
[04:45] <rolo> w/e.
[04:45] <redguy> ubuntuser: tpsa as well I see :-)
[04:45] <sean____> breezy crashes my system
[04:45] <nalioth> rolo: you want "!info <pkgname>"
[04:45] <nalioth> rolo: as in this
[04:45] <OculusAquilae> sean____: i have hoary too
[04:45] <ubuntuser> 2 months discount:D
[04:45] <nalioth> !info emule
[04:45] <rolo> !info emule
[04:45] <nalioth> !info amule
[04:45] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc7-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1992 kB, Installed size: 5888 kB
[04:45] <sean____> odd... i guess it scratch my head time and fix it :p
[04:45] <rolo> ubotu Someone already said that 5 seconds ago
[04:45] <ubotu> rolo: Not a clue
[04:45] <rolo> lol
[04:45] <ubuntuser> how to:  You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user
[04:45] <sean____> rofl rolo, uboto is a bot :p
[04:46] <rolo> duh
[04:46] <rolo> :P
[04:46] <ubuntuser> any help
[04:46] <rolo> i'm just copy-pasting it because I thought Uboto was pm'ing it to Nalioth
[04:46] <SpareXX> Seveas username and pass?
[04:46] <rolo> but Nalioth, thanks
[04:46] <OculusAquilae> ubuntuuser: for whar?
[04:46] <OculusAquilae> s/whar/what
[04:46] <rolo> !limewire
[04:46] <ubotu> rumour has it, limewire is at http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[04:46] <Seveas> SpareXX, msg me a username and pass you want :)
[04:47] <SpareXX> Seveas how do i login on this server?
[04:47] <aftertaf> letschatt: Kirc :)
[04:47] <Seveas> SpareXX, msg me a username and pass you want :) <---
[04:47] <aftertaf> back in 2. rebooting xserver for nvidia test.....
[04:47] <remyforbes777>   what would be a good program to use to sort my comic books
[04:47] <SpareXX> Seveas is blocking messages from unidentified users.  You must register and identify with NickServ before talking to this user.
[04:47] <Gnonthgol> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[04:47] <letschatt> aftertaf, i remember a time when modconf was the default utility and far far simpler to understand. you just used /etc/modules.conf how do you configure modprobe and look at what modules are loaded every time?
[04:47] <sean____> "/msg nickserv register <pass>
[04:48] <chrissturm> how can i block unidentified users?
[04:48] <SpareXX> i have register
[04:48] <liquidfire> hatake_kakashi, heh i'm downloading Naruto now asuming when I watch your name
[04:48] <liquidfire> you watch it too
[04:48] <Seveas> chrissturm, /umode +CE
[04:48] <DjKritical> naruto kicks ass! =)
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, lol, I'm regettiing them again :) I have watched it, and missed some, watched it again but yeah :)
[04:48] <liquidfire> :>
[04:48] <Viziri> help! - I've changed my source.list and have all current repositories i believe but get this error "kubuntu-desktop: Depends: amarok but it is not going to be installed" everytime!!!!!!
[04:48] <liquidfire> I'm downloading 1-75
[04:48] <liquidfire> now
[04:48] <hatake_kakashi> once I get it again this time I'm going to burn it
[04:49] <liquidfire> I lost them a while ago :/
[04:49] <liquidfire> Yeah, i have 1-15 burned
[04:49] <liquidfire> my dad said don't you waste those DVD's
[04:49] <liquidfire> lol
[04:49] <Viziri> can someone reply to let me know i'm getting though here?
[04:49] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, heh, I had mine deleted by a staff here :/ no not freenode.. I mean where I am at :)
[04:49] <Viziri> through*
[04:49] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone here have an Audigy2 working under Breezy?
[04:49] <sean____> Viziri, hear ya fine
[04:50] <HappyFool> Viziri: are you using breezy? or backports?
[04:50] <nalioth> Viziri: where ya tryin to get thru to?
[04:50] <Viziri> I'm using Hoary 5.04
[04:50] <hatake_kakashi> at least for now I am enjoying the speeds that one would dream of getting if they could only get T1 here :)
[04:51] <liquidfire> you on a private school or something ?
[04:51] <liquidfire> or at work ?
[04:51] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: try # apt-get install amarok
[04:51] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, uni :D
[04:51] <Viziri> I'm an absolute new to linuxb. I followed instructions to install kubuntu from disc using package manager
[04:51] <liquidfire> ah :D
[04:51] <liquidfire> and then the staff deletes perfectly legal videofiles Oo?
[04:51] <rayo> hi, i installed ubuntu on a notebook, but the console only flickers and the xserver doesn't show on the lcd, it works on a external crt. what must i change that this work (res should ok)
[04:51] <liquidfire> wierd, thats private property isn't it hatake_kakashi  Oo
[04:52] <Viziri> Gnonthgol:  that gives me unmet errors too
[04:52] <liquidfire> why should they mess in your pc
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, they come around 'reimaging' these machines, unfortunately I had somewhat a student staff that told me approximately when they will do so but they did it way before I assumed..
[04:52] <hatake_kakashi> lol, my own 'real' box is dead :S
[04:52] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: uou have to install every package until uou get to the package that makes the problem
[04:52] <liquidfire> hatake_kakashi, thats just wierd
[04:53] <liquidfire> if my computers is at a university
[04:53] <liquidfire> its my property
[04:53] <liquidfire> nobody else's
[04:53] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, I'm using uni computers, normally they don't allow one to store such data, etc but here, they are not that strict..
[04:53] <liquidfire> ah
[04:53] <liquidfire> Thats something different :)
[04:54] <hatake_kakashi> and these @#@$@$ machines are win32 :S the linux boxes in the same block I'm in does not give me enough access to whatever I want to do
[04:54] <Viziri> jeez....  why is ubuntu making life so hard? the surely must be a simpler way? - this is such a tedious thing to do! - All a user should have to do is click install kbuntu and all dependent packages should install automatically too... so f annoying
[04:54] <hatake_kakashi> so I end up trying to pick up and help out where possible with other linux users
[04:54] <liquidfire> well i just started using linux
[04:54] <hatake_kakashi> Viziri, well, automation is coming around, one just needs to be patient for the time being :)
[04:54] <liquidfire> hehe about 2 weeks
[04:55] <liquidfire> But i think its great
[04:55] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, not bad, at least you made a move
[04:55] <liquidfire> ;)
[04:55] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: This is not a uduntu problem but an error in Debian that dont have a smart apt-get program
[04:55] <liquidfire> But somethings i just want to have some more friendlyness
[04:55] <liquidfire> like burning
[04:55] <hatake_kakashi> I tried teaching my younger bro about linux but he just thinks that win32 is far too superior :/ oh well, I'll wait until he regrets
[04:55] <liquidfire> I have no idea howto burn DVD files, i have k3b and gnomebaker installed
[04:56] <liquidfire> but i only can burn datadiscs and adio
[04:56] <liquidfire> audio
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, hmm someone had a solution in the linux chan
[04:56] <hatake_kakashi> dunno if it would work though :/
[04:56] <nalioth> liquidfire: drop your ifo/vob into a video_ts folder and burn it as video with k3b
[04:56] <Viziri> I hope u guys fix it soon. I have to say that Ubuntu is great, it's just these big errors that make people go back to winfows
[04:56] <Gnonthgol> I gave Ubuntu to my economy teacher hwo just knew Exel and he loved it
[04:57] <hatake_kakashi> Viziri, well, its not really ubuntu :) its more of that program, but patience is really the key
[04:57] <hatake_kakashi> Gnonthgol, nice
[04:57] <LinuxJones> Viziri, kubuntu should install just
[04:57] <LinuxJones> Viziri, did you upgrade to breezy ?
[04:57] <liquidfire> whats this lol
[04:58] <liquidfire> nalioth, i'm blind or something
[04:58] <Viziri> I'm using Hoary 5.04
[04:58] <Gnonthgol> Viziri: I tryed Linux a couple of years ago and gave up, Linux have come a long way since then
[04:58] <liquidfire> i feel so ashame right now
[04:58] <GoLiaT> hi
[04:58] <hatake_kakashi> Viziri, I'm sure you have gone through the horrid days of when win9x box crashes leaving you with the black and white screen? :)
[04:58] <liquidfire> I just overlooked something :(
[04:58] <letschatt> do I need kernel headers to do make menuconfig ? on make menuconfig i get /usr/src/linux-source.... /scripts/gcc-version.sh not found
[04:58] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, you're only human ;)
[04:58] <liquidfire> :/ well but i feel plain stupid
[04:58] <GoLiaT> Im at an Ubuntu Live CD and I want to mount an external drive, how can i do that?
[04:59] <Ex-Cyber> Viziri: I think what makes people go back to Windows is that they prefer the stupid, annoying problems that they're familiar with, rather than the new and exciting stupid, annoying problems offered by Ubuntu :)
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, meh, well learn :)
[04:59] <liquidfire> Yeah Ex-Cyber , thats why I made the switch
[04:59] <hatake_kakashi> Ex-Cyber, or they want to be monitored
[04:59] <liquidfire> I'm no power user in windows
[04:59] <liquidfire> but the problems in linux have more support
[04:59] <Gnonthgol> GoGiaT: try the mount command
[05:00] <liquidfire> !dma
[05:00] <Viziri> well I have to say my experiences with windows have not been that bad to be honest...  except for spyware/virus (typical things people complain about). I have several remote desktop to uni's that i have successfully got working with Ubuntu (which are pretty fast) which gives me good reason to use linux again. Previous experience with Mandrake forced me to reinstall windows..
[05:00] <Determinist> Viziri: typical... for windows
[05:00] <hatake_kakashi> heh, linux = pure freedom for me :) anything from those windoze
[05:00] <liquidfire> I need to use windows for gaming though :/
[05:01] <letschatt> hello? you must install ncurses-devel to run make menuconfig where do i find ncurses-devel? it's not in packages' list
[05:01] <liquidfire> too bad cedega isn't 100% working
[05:01] <aru> liquidfire: thats what the xbox is for :)
[05:01] <f_newton> hatake_kakashi, all internet traffic in the usa is monitored by law by isps but windows does give them a handy database log
[05:01] <liquidfire> aru, i'm no console gamer
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> Viziri, one has to be patient :) if you aren't patient, you won't get anywhere :)
[05:01] <liquidfire> I tried alot of games
[05:01] <Determinist> Viziri: the fact that people recognize such problems as typical only shows the OS needs alot of work while microsoft hardly ever acknowledges that
[05:01] <GoLiaT> Gnonthgol, it says.. mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> liquidfire, yeah that's somewhat true :?
[05:01] <aru> hmm, same thing
[05:01] <hatake_kakashi> f_newton, yeah
[05:01] <liquidfire> The only things i like console are the rpg's
[05:01] <nlitement> ubuntu got 9,3 points on mbnet yay
[05:01] <liquidfire> i mainly play RTS and alot of FPS games
[05:01] <aftertaf> set /UMODE +CE
[05:01] <nlitement> is ubuntu a "easy-to-use" type of linux?
[05:01] <liquidfire> like painkiller
[05:01] <aftertaf> oops
[05:02] <liquidfire> nlitement, yes =]
[05:02] <liquidfire> for me it is
[05:02] <aftertaf> me
[05:02] <liquidfire> And great userbase :>
[05:02] <hatake_kakashi> f_newton, afaik, I would love to avoid windows where possible.. when I get my own box workiing, definetly it will have linux on it as main
[05:02] <aftertaf> after  years of debian.....
[05:02] <Determinist> nlitement: quite, yes. most things work out of the box as opposed to other distros
[05:02] <hatake_kakashi> nlitement, somewhat yes
[05:02] <rayo> hi, i installed ubuntu on a notebook, but the console only flickers and the xserver doesn't show on the lcd, it works on a external crt. what must i change that this work? (res should be ok)
[05:02] <Ex-Cyber> the underlying OS in XP is actually really good, but the security and licensing (Product Activation... yuck) aspects of it drove me away
[05:02] <nlitement> hmm.. is ubuntu new?
[05:02] <f_newton> data microsoft gleans from its operating systems is for "corporate use only"
[05:02] <aftertaf> even got my firewire working for DV encoding :)
[05:02] <nlitement> i never heard of it a year ago
[05:02] <nlitement> i used suse, debian, mandrake
[05:03] <Seveas> nlitement, ubuntu is little over a year old now
[05:03] <Drajka> I'm back ;) I need a program to watch a dvd with :]
[05:03] <liquidfire> btw thanks nalioth and your dog nalioths_dog for helping me >_>
[05:03] <f_newton> hatake_kakashi, when you get your own box working?
[05:03] <nlitement> that's cute <3
[05:03] <GoLiaT> any help please_
[05:03] <liquidfire> Drajka, use VLC or totem
[05:03] <letschatt> can someone help me with this hello? you must install ncurses-devel to run make menuconfig where do i find ncurses-devel? it's not in packages' list
[05:03] <liquidfire> i prefer vlc though :)
[05:03] <hatake_kakashi> Ex-Cyber, yeah there is no doubt of windows flexibility, however, windows kinda treats you as a dumb user when you really wanted to fix up a nasty backdoor that is acting like a service, etc
[05:03] <aru> nlitement: ubuntu is much cleaner and easier than suse and mandrake in my opinion.
[05:03] <aftertaf> apt-cache search ncurses
[05:03] <nalioth> liquidfire: np, just come back in here and spread the help
[05:03] <liquidfire> aru, i had a discussion with a friend of mine he just started using linux too
[05:03] <aftertaf> i think its ncurses-dev
[05:03] <nlitement> aru: that's good for me then :) mandrake was ALL THAT Messy =(
[05:03] <Drajka> I have no idea how to use VLC with breezy..
[05:03] <liquidfire> he said suse is the best for starters
[05:04] <aftertaf> slooooow to update too mandrake
[05:04] <liquidfire> Drajka, add the repo's from hoary
[05:04] <aru> nlitement: ubuntu is fairly minimal but it's very easy to get the software you need
[05:04] <nlitement> =0
[05:04] <Viziri> Yes, windows is bad for those reasons people typically complain about (spyware/virus), but i imagine if a particular linux distro became mainstream then it would also experience those problems, since those problems are due to hackers targeting products which are popular and have more potential victims
[05:04] <liquidfire> but i said ubuntu is best for starters
[05:04] <Drajka> and Totem.... is being retarded
[05:04] <hatake_kakashi> f_newton, someday, soon :) but I may run some other distro :) I'm here is because one of my uni friend has laptop running ubuntu and we have had problems with kubuntu and sometimes network config :)
[05:04] <Drajka> o.O
[05:04] <letschatt> aftertaf, there's no candidate package for ncurses-dev  there is libncurses5-dev
[05:04] <aru> nlitement: you can walways try the live cd first, just to see if you like it
[05:04] <liquidfire> Viziri, the great thing about linux is
[05:04] <nalioth> letschatt: open synaptic and search for "-dev" and i think you'll find what you are looking for
[05:04] <liquidfire> that the source code is free
[05:04] <nickrud> letschatt, that's the one you want.
[05:04] <nlitement> aru: does it take hd space?
[05:04] <Drajka> All I get
[05:04] <letschatt> thanks fellas
[05:04] <liquidfire> that means we can see the problems before it happens
[05:05] <Drajka> is "Totem could not play dvd://"
[05:05] <aru> nlitement: the live cd runs completly from your cdrom
[05:05] <aru> and memory
[05:05] <nlitement> yay! =)
[05:05] <aftertaf> ok...
[05:05] <Drajka> "Could not read from resource."
[05:05] <nlitement> on windows ?
[05:05] <letschatt> is there a list of packages someone's listed on their web page you can safely remove and get some disk moolah back?
[05:05] <liquidfire> Drajka, try /dev/dvd
[05:05] <liquidfire> hmm wait
[05:05] <aftertaf> booted with 2.6.11 and nvidia proprietary drivers....
[05:05] <Drajka> for the location?
[05:05] <liquidfire> thats wrong Oo
[05:05] <Drajka> o.O
[05:05] <aru> nlitement: it boots from the cd instead of booting from your hard drive, lets you experience an entire ubuntu setup before actually installing
[05:05] <liquidfire> I think i forgot a part
[05:05] <aftertaf> now to test hardware...
[05:05] <nlitement> aahha
[05:06] <aftertaf> still no windows in boot meny though..... anyone got a webpage giving help un setting up Grub (graphical menu + windows partiton adding to menu...?)
[05:06] <Drajka> <.<
[05:06] <liquidfire> /dev/hda/dvd
[05:06] <HiddenWolf> Does anyone here have an audigy2 card working in ubuntu Breezy?
[05:06] <liquidfire> or dev hda
[05:06] <liquidfire> lol
[05:06] <liquidfire> HiddenWolf, i have
[05:06] <Drajka> for the location..?
[05:06] <liquidfire> yes
[05:06] <liquidfire> try it
[05:06] <JBLoudG20> what options do I have for an anti-virus program? I tried to search the forums, but the database seems to be down
[05:07] <Viziri> yeah, i agree with that 100%. Great philosophy behind Linux, and particuarly Ubuntu. From what i've read the founder is a pretty generous guy. It's the main reason i chose this distro instead of others ...
[05:07] <HiddenWolf> liquidfire, did it work out of the box?
[05:07] <liquidfire> HiddenWolf, op terminal
[05:07] <liquidfire> yeah
[05:07] <Seveas> JBLoudG20, clamav
[05:07] <dgottfried> aftertaf: it's shown in /boot/grub/menu.lst as an example.
[05:07] <ofer0> hi, i installed ubuntu from "base system" and i need to know what packages needed for gnome. i already installed: gnome-desktop-environment, x-window-system, gdm & xserver-xorg
[05:07] <JBLoudG20> thanks
[05:07] <Drajka> no.. that's not working
[05:07] <Drajka> cannot open file "file:///dev/hda/"
[05:07] <liquidfire> just enable everything in alsamixer "type alsamixer in the terminal"
[05:07] <bored2k> what file contains gtk+-2.0 ?
[05:07] <AzMoo> Hey people. Is there a way I can extract a whole bunch of tar files at once?
[05:07] <HiddenWolf> liquidfire, Tried that, it's not working
[05:07] <liquidfire> are you sure
[05:07] <liquidfire> it works here
[05:07] <hatake_kakashi> AzMoo, tar -xvf *.tar
[05:07] <HiddenWolf> yes
[05:08] <persia> AzMoo: `for i in *tar; do tar xf $i; done`
[05:08] <liquidfire> what about the graphical version
[05:08] <AzMoo> hatake_kakashi, doesn't work
[05:08] <liquidfire> doubleclick on the speaker icon
[05:08] <aru> AzMoo: I right click and mine and click Extract Here, so I suppose you could highlight a bunch then right click :)
[05:08] <ofer0> please guys nobody knows? im stuck =[
[05:08] <AzMoo> persia, that'll work, cheers :)
[05:08] <liquidfire> in top right if using gnome
[05:08] <hatake_kakashi> AzMoo, bah.. try what persia said
[05:08] <liquidfire> that switch to audigy 2zs
[05:08] <liquidfire> other that that i don't know
[05:08] <liquidfire> =/
[05:08] <f_newton> Viziri, actually nix systems do things a bit differently.   While a few worms are malignant on linux boxes the general rule is that almost every new worm is a strain off of a previous one due to the actual inabilities of malware writers to come up with anything new
[05:08] <nickrud> bored2k, libgtk2.0-0
[05:08] <HiddenWolf> liquidfire, Everything is on, maxed
[05:08] <Drajka> liquidfire, ..
[05:09] <Drajka> I'm completly clueless
[05:09] <Drajka> :S
[05:09] <ofer0> hi, i installed ubuntu from "base system" and i need to know what packages needed for gnome. i already installed: gnome-desktop-environment, x-window-system, gdm & xserver-xorg
[05:09] <liquidfire> HiddenWolf, did you unmute everthing ?
[05:09] <HiddenWolf> yes
[05:09] <liquidfire> Drajka, me too =/
[05:09] <hatake_kakashi> f_newton, and another rule is to avoid doing too many things as root :) which is what ubuntu is already doing
[05:09] <f_newton> Viziri, that fact coupled with the way linux files are written and stored fairly well precludes any major linux problem
[05:09] <liquidfire> HiddenWolf, i don't know that :(
[05:09] <liquidfire> it worked for me
[05:09] <liquidfire> *that=then
[05:09] <bored2k> nickrud, i have libgtk2.0-0 installed, yet my app wont compile :/
[05:10] <f_newton> hatake_kakashi, Ubuntu is a perfect desktop becuase of its disabled root shell.  it is good for users and admin alike
[05:10] <Viziri> didn't realise that f_newton. That's encouraging to know :)
[05:10] <nickrud> bored2k, then libgtk2.0-dev
[05:10] <letschatt> hi everyone how long does it take to recompile a kernel?
[05:11] <ofer0> depends on CPU
[05:11] <bored2k> nickrud, thnx, trying out
[05:11] <letschatt> athlon 600 :(
[05:11] <ofer0> 30 minutes
[05:11] <persia> letschatt: About 45 minutes
[05:11] <aftertaf> dgottfried: thx... will check it out!
[05:11] <ofer0> something like that
[05:11] <dgottfried> aftertaf: np
[05:11] <letschatt> what? are you serious?
[05:11] <f_newton> Viziri, dont misunderstand now, there are insecurities and there are program hacks... but the basic os is fairly free from destruction
[05:11] <hatake_kakashi> f_newton, heh that is somewhat true
[05:11] <nickrud> bored2k, the library stuff needed for compiling will nearly always be in a -dev package.
[05:11] <ofer0> i compiled my kernel on 600mhz P3, and it took me 30 minutes
[05:11] <aftertaf> ;)
[05:12] <bored2k> thanks nickrud
[05:12] <liquidfire> i fucked up when i compiled my kernell =/
[05:12] <liquidfire> couldn't use my mouse or anything
[05:12] <liquidfire> hehe
[05:12] <letschatt> ok i see some make menuconfig options. now these options i suppose are shown if i were to compile my current kernel-source, how do i see what's in my kernel right now?
[05:12] <ofer0> i installed ubuntu from "base system" and i need to know what packages needed for gnome. i already installed: gnome-desktop-environment, x-window-system, gdm & xserver-xorg
[05:13] <persia> letschatt: `zcat /proc/config.gz | less`
[05:13] <letschatt> thanks
[05:13] <nickrud> ofer0, that will get you a basic gnome desktop. Assuming all elsle is well, what you have should be sufficent.
[05:13] <nalioth> nickrud: are you in here causing trouble?
[05:13] <letschatt> config.gz no such file
[05:14] <Gnonthgol> ofer0: you might need nautulus
[05:14] <nickrud> ofer0, if you want what ubuntu considers a gnome desktop, just install ubuntu-desktop.
[05:14] <Frafra> hi all
[05:14] <f_newton> nickrud, what ubuntu "considers" a gnome desktop?
[05:14] <persia> letschatt: My /boot doesn't mount, but I think there's also a /boot/config.<version> file that has the same information.
[05:14] <liquidfire> can i install gnome and kde at the same time Oo?
[05:15] <liquidfire> or would one fuck up the other
[05:15] <nalioth> f_newton: lots of gnome-candy missing
[05:15] <Seveas> liquidfire, you can
[05:15] <ofer0> nickrud: it doesnt work... "no screens found". after checking the logs: "screen found but no usable configuration detected"
[05:15] <nalioth> liquidfire: you can have as many DMs as you can find, and won't hurt anything
[05:15] <liquidfire> ah k
[05:15] <liquidfire> cool :)
[05:15] <aftertaf> ok... got into menu.lst and found the windows example..... new question!
[05:15] <liquidfire> but what about KDM
[05:15] <liquidfire> wouldn't it give a conflict with GDM
[05:15] <ofer0> Gonztel: i have nautilus.. its not it
[05:15] <CameroonLoser> !crossover
[05:15] <ubotu> CameroonLoser: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[05:16] <ofer0> read the error:
[05:16] <f_newton> nalioth, all I notice is the lack of rh gnome dev... it seems pretty standard ximian to me
[05:16] <CameroonLoser> !crossover office
[05:16] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, CameroonLoser
[05:16] <aftertaf> my zin partition is hda1, do i put (hd0,1)
[05:16] <CameroonLoser> w/e
[05:16] <nickrud> ofer0, that's an X problem; try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to fix it.
[05:16] <letschatt> persia, yeah i see what you're saying. i wish there was a tool to help me understand that file.  i want to be able to set a monitor shutdown and system standby timeout and you need apm or acpi to do it
[05:16] <dgottfried> aftertaf: yup
[05:16] <aftertaf> cheers again mate...
[05:16] <f_newton> CameroonLoser, what about cx office?
[05:16] <nickrud> f_newton, I have a few extra apps installed, that's what I consider a gnome desktop :)
[05:16] <ofer0> nickrud: did it already, 3 times, and im sure that i have putted the right options
[05:16] <aftertaf> and no need to rerun to update it?
[05:16] <letschatt> persia, monitor shutdown and system standby work flawlessly in windows for me.. not in linux
[05:16] <Frafra> excuseme, i must install the driver for a winmodem (intel 536ep). who can help me?
[05:16] <_adam> How can I run script files ending in "SH"?
[05:17] <aftertaf> sudo sh scrpitname.sh
[05:17] <dgottfried> aftertaf: no, grub doesn't need a script to run to initialize things
[05:17] <nickrud> ofer0, I've got a few minutes; how about posting your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on pastebin?
[05:17] <ofer0> _adam: "sh bla.sh"
[05:17] <persia> letschatt: copy this to .config in your kernel directory, and then run menuconfig: it will start with the options in the current kernel
[05:17] <aftertaf> great...
[05:17] <_adam> Do I have to be in the directory running terminal to do it?
[05:17] <liquidfire> if i don't come back in 10 minutes
[05:17] <aftertaf> i uncomment the 'active' and chainloader parts too?
[05:17] <liquidfire> i fucked up my pc
[05:17] <liquidfire> hehe
[05:17] <aftertaf> lol lqf
[05:17] <ofer0> nickrud: i cant, i dont have graphical interface
[05:17] <letschatt> persia, thanks sounds dope
[05:17] <f_newton> liquidfire, please watch the language
[05:18] <liquidfire> sorry :)
[05:18] <liquidfire> I messed up my pc =]
[05:18] <ubuntuser> what means that packages can't be verified??
[05:18] <ubuntuser> veryfied
[05:18] <nickrud> ofer0, you can run that command on a console.
[05:18] <aftertaf> not signed...
[05:18] <Gnonthgol> ofer0: cltl + alt + F1
[05:18] <ofer0> nickrud: and how do i paste it to pastebin ?
[05:18] <dgottfried> ubuntuser: the sig's on them aren't official ubuntu packages.  Using backports perhaps?
[05:19] <ubuntuser> yhm
[05:19] <ubuntuser> ;]
[05:19] <ubuntuser> ist sth bad?
[05:19] <ofer0> ubuntuser: it means that you are using backports. that guy that runs this project dont know how to do verification.
[05:19] <persia> ubuntuser: It means the packages aren't signed.  Usually this also means you aren't using a ubuntu repository, and the subtle differences between ubuntu and debian may cause issues.
[05:19] <dgottfried> ubuntuser: nope, it's just a warning is all
[05:19] <_adam> I can't seem to install dvdlibcss, can someone help me
[05:19] <Seveas> _adam, grab it from backports manually
[05:19] <Seveas> libdvdcss2
[05:19] <Drajka> I need help watching a dvd :/
[05:19] <ubuntuser> ;]
[05:19] <Drajka> And liquidfire ..
[05:20] <Drajka> Compared tome
[05:20] <scale> hey, i installed ubuntu a few days ago and works great so far...
[05:20] <Drajka> You aren't clueless
[05:20] <Drajka> I'm a complete noob
[05:20] <aftertaf> apt-get install lame says lame can't be found :/
[05:20] <scale> except for the sound. i can't get my sound working.
[05:20] <Drajka> Before today
[05:20] <Drajka> I never even booted linux
[05:20] <Drajka> :/
[05:20] <persia> aftertaf: Enable multiverse
[05:20] <scale> any suggestions?
[05:20] <nickrud> ofer0, if all else fails, put it on a floppy and use windows. (There's gotta be a way using w3m or something, but I don't know it :)
[05:20] <aftertaf> persia.. thx, but i have :/
[05:20] <liquidfire> Drajka, me too
[05:20] <liquidfire> i'm just using 2 weeks
[05:20] <aftertaf> says it exists but must be missing or obsolete
[05:21] <persia> !info lame
[05:21] <aftertaf> lame, not multiverse...
[05:21] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB
[05:21] <_adam> How can I access backports?
[05:21] <scale> same here... 2 days new to linux
[05:21] <liquidfire> I can just choose my DE in the login manager "gdm" ?
[05:21] <liquidfire> And it will work with the other desktops ?
[05:21] <persia> aftertaf: This is in hoary?
[05:21] <aftertaf> scale: what sound card do you have?
[05:21] <Seveas> liquidfire, yup
[05:21] <aftertaf> persia yep
[05:21] <liquidfire> cool :>
[05:21] <aftertaf> weird hu?
[05:22] <liquidfire> Seveas, which one do you use :o?
[05:22] <Seveas> gnome
[05:22] <liquidfire> k
[05:22] <Gnonthgol> I installed hoary yesturday and didnt get the sount to work on my SB Live! It workd on warty.
[05:22] <Seveas> aftertaf, if that is a script: turn it off now
[05:22] <persia> aftertaf: You might try a different mirror, but outside that, I've not a clue.  Apologies.
[05:22] <Determinist> !sound
[05:22] <liquidfire> enlightment is also a DE ?
[05:22] <ubotu> it has been said that sound is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebuggingSoundProblems/
[05:22] <scale> aftertaf: it's an ac '97 integrated into my MB... the chip is a CMI 9739, if that helps
[05:22] <Seveas> liquidfire, yes
[05:22] <chi> are the forums down? i cant seem to search them at all
[05:22] <Frafra> excuseme, i must install the driver for a winmodem (intel 536ep). who can help me?
[05:23] <liquidfire> k thanks for the help Seveas
[05:23] <liquidfire> =]
[05:23] <scale> ubotu: i checked out all the wiki stuff on sound problems but none of it has helped me yet
[05:23] <ubotu> scale: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[05:23] <Determinist> any idea if we're going to have drivers for those new nifty X-Fi sound cards anytime soon?
[05:23] <liquidfire> !dma
[05:23] <Drajka> liquidfire, ... you don't understand... I'm much more n00b lol
[05:23] <Frafra> !winmodem
[05:23] <ubotu> No idea, Frafra
[05:23] <scale> i checked out the wiki info on sound problems on hoary but it hasn't helped me yet...
[05:23] <Frafra> !linmodem
[05:23] <ubotu> Frafra: Are you smoking crack?
[05:23] <nalioth> liquidfire: enlightenment, xfce4, fluxbox, blackbox, etc etc
[05:23] <liquidfire> Drajka, type !sound
[05:23] <liquidfire> and read it
[05:23] <liquidfire> maybe there is something usefull
[05:23] <Seveas> scale, please note that ubotu is a bot :)
[05:23] <scale> ahh
[05:23] <Determinist> lol
[05:23] <scale> hehe
[05:23] <chi> !ubuntu forums
[05:23] <ubotu> chi: Not a clue
[05:23] <Coyctecm> what?spamming here?damn
[05:23] <Frafra> !modem
[05:23] <ubotu> Frafra: Not a clue
[05:23] <Coyctecm> scriptkiddies
[05:24] <_adam> !lindvdcss
[05:24] <ubotu> _adam: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:24] <scale> seveas: thanks... are you a person? or a bot whose purpose is to tell people ubotu is a bot? hehe
[05:24] <ofer0> ok guys thanx anyway, X is running. there was a problem with GLCore module probably...
[05:24] <_adam> !libdvdcss
[05:24] <ubotu> _adam: I don't know, could you explain it?
[05:24] <Determinist> scale: he's a person.
[05:24] <Seveas> scale, some say I'm a highly advanced AI
[05:24] <nalioth> scale: seveas is advanced
[05:24] <Seveas> others think i'm a person
[05:24] <aftertaf> lol
[05:24] <_adam> !libdvdcss3
[05:24] <aftertaf> ubotu is a good bot?
[05:24] <ubotu> _adam: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[05:24] <ubotu> :)
[05:24] <aftertaf> or a dark side anakin style ot?
[05:25] <Gnonthgol> !ubotu
[05:25] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:25] <_adam> Hey seveas, check your pm
[05:25] <Seveas> don't play with the bot
[05:25] <chi> !mount bin
[05:25] <ubotu> chi: Wish i knew
[05:25] <Seveas> _adam, unsollicited pm's are ignored..
[05:25] <Drajka> I don't need sou nd though ;X
[05:25] <Drajka> The video wont play :S
[05:25] <aftertaf> lol drak
[05:25] <Drajka> weoll...
[05:25] <Drajka> I suppose sound is important..
[05:25] <Drajka> ;x
[05:25] <paganini> Has anyone here been able to get midi working with a SouldBlasterLive card?
[05:25] <Drajka> But the video is the most important part for a video =x
[05:25] <chi> how would i go about mounting a .bin .cue ?
[05:25] <letschatt> persia, i have 2.6.10-5 kernel that came with ubuntu. if i recompile mine will i have 2 kernels on my pc - the first one being redundant?
[05:26] <paganini> I've searched around the forums and the net, and this seems like an old problem. But I couldn't find a solution.
[05:26] <_adam> Can you help me access backports seveas?
[05:26] <aftertaf> !lame
[05:26] <ubotu> I don't know, aftertaf
[05:26] <liquidfire> oops
[05:26] <liquidfire> now all my kde apps are appearing in gnome
[05:27] <persia> letschatt: If you install a second kernel, you will usually be able to choose between them in your boot manager (grub, lilo, yaboot, etc.).  I don't recommend uninstalling the default until you know yours is working well.
[05:27] <Seveas> _adam, backports.ubuntuforums.prg
[05:27] <Seveas> org*
[05:27] <zerboxx> To install something, I need my kernel source or headers, where would I find these?
[05:27] <aftertaf> brenner!! you"re a serial kille rin a bokk i just finished :)
[05:27] <aftertaf> lol
[05:27] <paganini> Borkk! Borkk!  And what is the best way to find "yourkernel"?
[05:28] <Seveas> uname -r
[05:28] <persia> letschatt: If so, you probably want to read the docs it installs in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package before doing anything.
[05:28] <paganini> zerboxx uname -r
[05:28] <chi> uname -r
[05:29] <brenner> :)
[05:29] <chi> heh im slow
[05:29] <letschatt> no i don't :( just source, image and headers
[05:29] <liquidfire> anybody knows howto stop kde apps apreaing in gnome :/?
[05:29] <persia> letschatt: You will want to install it.  It will make a deb for you to install or remove (or otherwise manage), and take care of updating your boot manager, etc.
[05:30] <letschatt> that's cool thanks i'll look at into. man this takes a loooot of time :P
[05:30] <aftertaf> ok, no sweat!!
[05:31] <cyphase> are there any plans in ubuntu to allow non-admin users to install software on their account?
[05:31] <brenner> anyway, how'd i get sent to #ubuntu-unregged when i was already registered with nickserv?
[05:31] <Seveas> brenner, you did not identify
[05:31] <cyphase> hmm, nvm
[05:31] <_adam> brenner, you have to use the nicserv identify command
[05:31] <aftertaf> he IS a bot !!
[05:31] <aftertaf>  :)
[05:31] <DjKritical> what comes after 'make install'?
[05:32] <Seveas> shutdown -h now
[05:32] <aftertaf> DJK: prayers!
[05:32] <brenner> ah, my auto-identify must've been turned off somehow
[05:32] <DjKritical> o_O?
[05:33] <carnilo> Determinist: sorry to bother again, but now I have php -version working.
[05:33] <DjKritical> but seriously, what usually comes after make install?
[05:33] <Determinist> carnilo: that's good
[05:33] <aftertaf> djk: if you have lili, run lilo.
[05:33] <persia> DjKritical: $program &
[05:33] <aftertaf> otherwise, reboot... i think!
[05:33] <brenner> DJ_Mirage: *cough* if it successfully installed, run the program
[05:33] <Determinist> carnilo: ok, create test.php file with <?php phpinfo(); ?>  in it and put it in /var/www/
[05:33] <DjKritical> I was running through the Wine compile script.. and it goes "enter your root password".... now we all know ubuntu doesn't have a root acount =)
[05:34] <DjKritical> so I did the make install myself
[05:34] <DjKritical> and no more instructions?
[05:34] <carnilo> no, doesn't work
[05:34] <brenner> isn't wine in the repos?
[05:34] <DjKritical> yeah but it didn't work for me using the distros
[05:34] <DjKritical> bash: wine: command not found
[05:34] <DjKritical> there must be another step?
[05:34] <Determinist> carnilo: does apache work right tho? can you serve pages?
[05:35] <carnilo> yep
[05:35] <DjKritical> (also the wine distros are VERY outdated)
[05:35] <aftertaf> which repository is lame in again???
[05:35] <neo78> hello folks!
[05:35] <carnilo> Determinist:  plain html works fine
[05:35] <Seveas> !info lame
[05:35] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB
[05:35] <Determinist> carnilo: gimme a sec
[05:35] <chi> how can i mount .bin .cue files?
[05:35] <Seveas> aftertaf, so it's multiverse
[05:35] <persia> DjKritical: If you built from ubuntu source (apt-get build-dep wine; apt-get -b install wine), it would "just work", or not.  `make install` goes well into needing upstream documentation.
[05:35] <Seveas> chi, you convert them to an iso with bchunk
[05:35] <chi> werd thanks
[05:35] <Seveas> and then you can mount them
[05:35] <aftertaf> i'm sure ive enabled multiverse...
[05:36] <aftertaf> checking my sources.lst
[05:36] <shefa> nalioth, : How are you man
[05:36] <DjKritical> persia: well it didn't "just work" from the distros.. I got errors... and also it's an older version which doesn't have opengl compiled?... this is what I've been told anyway
[05:37] <shefa> nalioth, Thnaks again about last night's help
[05:37] <aftertaf> deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[05:37] <DjKritical> persia, what will those apt-get commands do for me? do you suggest I try them?
[05:37] <aftertaf> should i add multiverse to the end?
[05:37] <shefa> Hi everybody
[05:38] <nalioth> shefa: np, glad to
[05:38] <brenner> ubotu: tell aftertaf about repos
[05:38] <nalioth> shefa: just hang out and help others is all i ask
[05:38] <DjKritical> persia: well I'm trying them (with sudo included ofcourse)
[05:38] <neo78> dang, linux dc++ is pretty featureless compared to strong dc++ for windows
[05:38] <letschatt> any xfce4 users here?
[05:39] <DjKritical> /usr/bin/wineprefixcreate: line 168:  8257 Segmentation fault      ${WINELOADER:-wine} rundll32.exe setupapi.dll,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 128 wine.inf
[05:39] <aftertaf> thx brenner
[05:39] <DjKritical> back to where I started 6 hours ago!
[05:39] <nalioth> letschatt: ask your question
[05:39] <shefa> Listen, gyes, how can is there a menu in Ubuntu(gnome) to configure my video card. I'm using ATI wih video out. I want to enable the video out
[05:39] <DjKritical> and it's 3am!
[05:39] <persia> DjKritical: I'm not sure why not, but I don't use wine.  The build logs seem to indicate that it built successfully.  The commands I suggested would compile locally using ubuntu sources: I don't know if this is helpful to you now.  My apologies.
[05:39] <shefa> nalioth, NP man. You got. I'll try to help as much as I can
[05:39] <Determinist> carnilo: look if you have the files php4.conf and php4.load under /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[05:39] <letschatt> nalioth, do you mean use ? symbols
[05:40] <DjKritical> persia: I honestly don't know how to do that... I just tried compiling the source directly from the winehq site... which has taken me almost an hour...
[05:40] <aftertaf> brenner: i dont have a settings button and synaptic dont look that way...
[05:40] <DjKritical> persia: like I said.. it stopped when it needed to be root... because ubuntu doesn't even have a root account
[05:40] <aftertaf> i have to add the categories myself...
[05:40] <carnilo> Determinist: I don't have php4.load
[05:40] <Determinist> DjKritical: actually, you can enable the root account if you absolutely have to
[05:41] <carnilo> let me check what to do ...
[05:41] <brenner> aftertaf: ubotu should have given you a pastebin link to a sample sources.list, you can check with that
[05:41] <Determinist> carnilo: ok, can you create a file called that? i'll paste you the content in PM
[05:41] <aftertaf> ok cheers!
[05:41] <Seveas> carnilo, sudo a2enmod php4
[05:41] <aftertaf> ubotu definitely not darkside then ;)
[05:41] <ubotu> aftertaf: What?
[05:41] <aftertaf> hehe
[05:41] <persia> DjKritical: ubuntu does have a root account, it just doesn't have a password.  You can set a password if you need, but there ought to be a way to get wine to work without it.  If you need to set the password, try `sudo passwd root`, but realize this is a bit of a security issue, as then your root account is enabled.
[05:41] <nalioth> letschatt: gnome doesnt take up all that much room, just log into xfce4 instead
[05:42] <nalioth> letschatt: also, gnome progs work under xfce4
[05:42] <Seveas> DjKritical, alias su sudo
[05:42] <Seveas> then start the wine install script
[05:42] <letschatt> nalioth, fair enough. i'll keep it for now
[05:43] <lee> how do you unpack a debian package?  that is, I want to just get at the contents of the package, NOT install it anywhere
[05:43] <Seveas> dpkg-deb -x
[05:43] <f_newton> use an archive manager
[05:43] <Seveas> or: ar x
[05:44] <Lefungus> hello, I was wondering if I can safely use sendmail to send emails with ubuntu hoary instead of my isp smtp server ?
[05:44] <chi> thanks Seveas its working perfectly ;]
[05:44] <letschatt> lee, see apt-get options there's a download only i think
[05:44] <Lefungus> and what are the disadvantages of using sendmail with evolution ?
[05:44] <letschatt> lee, there's a dpkg option to unpack
[05:44] <lee> thanks Seveas
[05:44] <persia> Lefungus: sendmail.conf
[05:44] <lee> letschatt: yeah, the --unpack option wante dto unpack the files in their place, -x was it =)
[05:45] <shefa> nalioth: , how can is there a menu in Ubuntu(gnome) to configure my video card. I'm using ATI wih video out. I want to enable the video out
[05:46] <Determinist> shefa: you need the ATI drivers installed
[05:46] <nalioth> Lefungus: most folks don't accept email from local servers (spam risk is high)
[05:46] <Determinist> !ati
[05:46] <ubotu> somebody said ati was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[05:46] <nalioth> shefa: i'm not so advanced about video, sorry
[05:46] <Lefungus> nalioth, thanks, that's the kind of things I was afraid of
[05:47] <shefa> Determinist: I do have them installed, I even installed some other add on, for te TV Out, but for some reson i don't know how to configure it. In KDE there is an option where tou can do that, but n gnome, i can't find it
[05:48] <Determinist> shefa: hmmm, if memory doesnt fail me , that ATI installer adds an ATI control panel that has that option. dont have an ATI card anymore so cant really say right now
[05:48] <shefa> nalioth, Ok, Thanks. Any idea hoe can I make Ttem or MEdia player to read non-Unicode ecoding for meta tagsa-ISO-8859-1
[05:48] <DjKritical> persia, IT WORKS!!!!!
[05:48] <shefa> Determinist, Where did you get the drivers though
[05:49] <DjKritical> persia, I was being silly.. and didn't notice the file named 'wine'
[05:49] <Determinist> shefa: hmm, ATI site, actually...
[05:49] <heartEye> How do I get better drivers for my monitor so that i can increase the screen size from 600x400 to 1000x700?
[05:49] <shefa> Determinist, Tey don't support anymore the drivers for my card for Linux-any other places
[05:49] <nalioth> shefa: you've lost me. i dont speak those languages
[05:49] <Paprika> How do I change the system charset? I want ISO 8859-1 instead of UTF-8.
[05:49] <shefa> nalioth,
[05:49] <brenner> shefa: question is, where did *you* get your drivers from?
[05:49] <Seveas> Paprika, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:49] <aftertaf> dpkg-reconfigure locales ??
[05:49] <nalioth> heartEye: what card to you have?
[05:50] <aftertaf> yesssssssss
[05:50] <brenner> heartEye: usually don't need to
[05:50] <Determinist> shefa: what card is that?
[05:50] <[czech] mila> hello
[05:50] <brenner> ubotu: tell heartEye about fixres
[05:50] <shefa> nalioth, hahahhahahha. Basicly what it does is making the program able to read different fonts than latin
[05:50] <ssb_> hello there
[05:50] <shefa> Determinist, ATI Rage 128
[05:50] <ompaul> hellp ssb_
[05:50] <Determinist> shefa: dear god lol
[05:51] <carnilo> thanks Determinist, thanks Seveas
[05:51] <[czech] mila> i have problem with system variables and I don't know ho to solve that problem (i'm new debian user (gentoo previous))
[05:51] <Determinist> shefa: just go get some FX5200 for like 20$ or something mate
[05:51] <shefa> Determinist, Hahahahhaha, I know, time to upgrade
[05:51] <[czech] mila> can anybody help me please?
[05:51] <Determinist> carnilo: np mate, have fun :)
[05:51] <Determinist> [czech] mila: with?
[05:51] <ompaul> !tell [czech] mila about ask
[05:51] <Determinist> heh, with that nick the bot went on vacation lol
[05:51] <heartEye> rumour has it that:thank you brenner and ubotu
[05:52] <[czech] mila> i would like to set an enviromental property (JAVA_HOME, CATALINA_HOME) and i would like to create start script for Tomcat
[05:52] <ssb_> question please? can anyone show me just how to install java on ubuntu as i am very new to ubuntu and linux :) please
[05:52] <[czech] mila> but the catalina.sh say me, that the JAVA_HOME is not set
[05:53] <[czech] mila> when I run: su - wwwuser -c "echo $JAVA_HOME" i got the right value
[05:53] <Determinist> !java
[05:53] <ubotu> java is, like, to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[05:53] <nalioths_dog> ssb_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , fakeroot make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file]
[05:53] <Determinist> ssb_: that ubotu just said
[05:53] <ssb_> thx ubotu
[05:54] <ompaul> ssb_, ubotu is the channel bot
[05:54] <ssb_> ok ;_)
[05:54] <[czech] mila> ubotu: i read this manuall before
[05:54] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, [czech] mila
[05:55] <Determinist> ahh crap, i'm toast, late for a BBQ dinner with my GF's folks :O
[05:55] <Determinist> bbl guys
[05:55] <brenner> Determinist: at 3am?
[05:55] <ompaul> Deter[LATE] , ehh you could determine that :)
[05:55] <scale> hah. when computer fights girlfriend, girlfriend wins... but not immediately.
[05:55] <Deter[LATE] > brenner: try 7 PM here... Israel Time
[05:55] <brenner> sorry, was DjKritical who said that :D
[05:56] <QMario> Hello Seveas. :)
[05:57] <QMario> How do I change the graphics card driver for my computer?
[05:57] <QMario> I am using Hoary Ubuntu Linux.
[05:57] <aftertaf> back in 5, testing grub.....
[05:57] <QMario> Is there something similar to YaST2 on Ubuntu?
[05:57] <aftertaf> can u have a graphical menu with grub, buy the way?
[05:57] <Deter[LATE] > phew, it's at 8
[05:58] <QMario> Aftertaf, it depends on what you mean by graphical. ;)
[05:58] <ompaul> QMario, there are several tools - part of yast2 do you want
[05:58] <Determinist> QMario: apt-get? synaptic (GUI)?
[05:58] <nalioth> QMario: open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose your poison (i like VESA)
[05:59] <aftertaf> as in, with a picture and all...
[05:59] <ompaul> QMario, which configuration do you want to change?
[05:59] <aftertaf> splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash/grub-debian.xpm.gz
[05:59] <Determinist> aftertaf: not that i know.
[05:59] <QMario> Ompaul, I want to use the 3d acceleration.
[05:59] <aftertaf> found it.
[05:59] <aftertaf> goooooogle :)
[05:59] <QMario> s/d/D
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> where is the link to the torrent downloads?
[06:00] <Determinist> erm, isnt yast like yum??
[06:00] <QMario> Aftertaf, I was trying to be funny...
[06:00] <persia> aftertaf: You can, but it's not set up by default.  I haven't used it in a couple years, but the explanation I used last time I set it up was in the grub-doc pacakge.
[06:00] <hybrid_goth> Determinist: iirc YAST > YUM
[06:00] <ompaul> QMario, so question one is what kind of graphic card do you have
[06:00] <Determinist> hybrid_goth: same functionality tho?
[06:00] <JBLoudG20>  i have another question... when I go to print (i'm using cups) i am able to print one document, then after that the prineter is "stopped" and wont accept another job until I reboot... anyone know why?
[06:01] <Belutz> !sources
[06:01] <ubotu> sources are at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> Determinist: err i think YaST does more
[06:01] <hybrid_goth> !torrents
[06:01] <ubotu> hybrid_goth: Bugger all, i dunno
[06:01] <Determinist> hybrid_goth: like what? make coffee?
[06:01] <QMario> Ompaul, Nvidia GeForce2.
[06:01] <QMario> !graphics
[06:01] <ubotu> QMario: Are you on ritalin?
[06:01] <QMario> !video
[06:01] <ubotu> QMario: I give up, what is it?
[06:01] <Determinist> QMario:  just install the nvidia drivers
[06:01] <QMario> !DVD
[06:01] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some dvd's require libdvdcss2, which can be found in !hoary-extras
[06:02] <Paprika> Now I have only one more question, I think.
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> Determinist: lol iirc but i am not for sure, YUM is mainly package management when YaST does .rpms and networking and hardware config etc
[06:02] <QMario> Determinist, where?
[06:02] <ompaul> Determinist, yast2 convers everything from setting up disks through package management and all the way to X configuration back across to network setup back out to repository management (except they don't call it that) and around to what can be found in gnome-control-centre
[06:02] <QMario> !Botsnack
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> YaST installs SuSe
[06:02] <ubotu> :)
[06:02] <Belutz> !wine
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> !download
[06:02] <ubotu> I guess download is get Ubuntu LiveCD & install ISOs at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ and if you need information on burning ISOs, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BurningIsoHowto
[06:02] <nalioth> hybrid_goth: what are you after?
[06:02] <cyphase> very nice
[06:02] <ompaul> !tell QMario about nvidia
[06:02] <hybrid_goth> nalioth: the torrent link
[06:03] <Paprika> On boot, Ubuntu seems to edit resolv.conf. How can I stop it from doing that?
[06:03] <Determinist> QMario: www.ubuntuforums.org , go for customization section, there's a list of howtos, one of those is the nvidia drivers howto
[06:03] <Determinist> ompaul: i see
[06:04] <ssb_> hello again is it me or did anyone experience this problem, if i click on any link with mozilla firefox. it takes a longtime for the page to display, i mean any link at all, but if i use the same link in windows with IE it works, is it a known bug?
[06:04] <JBLoudG20> it seems as if there is a problem with CUPS, after one prnt job
[06:04] <hybrid_goth> what is on the DVD compared to the CD?
[06:04] <persia> Could anyone help me troubleshoot problems mounting /boot under 2.6.12-7?  I have confirmed it's not a hardware problem by booting many times under 2.6.10, all with successful /boot mounts.  The only message I receive is "/dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0: p1".
[06:04] <Alternity> what does cogent mean in relation to dns and BIND?
[06:05] <Determinist> ssb_: depends on the link. if the page doesnt support any non-IE pages
[06:05] <QMario> Okay, thank you ompaul, Determinist, and the rest. Let me restart Gnome right now.... :)
[06:05] <ompaul> Determinist, it is to put it politely a one stop shop
[06:05] <Determinist> ompaul: sounds nice actually.
[06:05] <brenner> JBLoudG20: google/search the forum while you wait
[06:05] <Determinist> ompaul: but could be a source for many problems
[06:05] <ompaul> Determinist, and some days it is nice and on others it will break your heart
[06:06] <ssb_> example this link : http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp and any link on the page for me to download the java bin it just hangs :-(
[06:06] <ompaul> Determinist, however I have not had those days in quite a while :)
[06:06] <Determinist> dunno why, but it keeps pissing me off that there are too many esoteric linux projects out there instead of just afew good and strong ones :/
[06:07] <Determinist> ompaul: you a Suse user?
[06:07] <brenner> persia: could be wrong, but sounds like a kernel bug if .10 works fine
[06:07] <ompaul> Determinist, it is something called freedom
[06:07] <ompaul> Determinist, not for a long time
[06:07] <f_newton> Determinist, there are several very good linux offerings circulating the popular schools of linuxfish
[06:07] <persia> brenner: Any ideas what information would be helpful to submit a bug?  I don't want to just complain if I can help fix it.
[06:07] <Determinist> ompaul: ohh, i know. but there's something else called common good and having a PPC distro 4 people use isnt what i would call common sense or good decision making.
[06:08] <ompaul> Determinist, four - heh that number is a little low
[06:08] <Determinist> ompaul: fine, 20 lol
[06:08] <brenner> persia: i haven't dealt with kernel bugs, but i'd google the heck out of the error you get before you submit a bug. :)
[06:08] <ssb_> we all need to help one another to get linux off the ground and attract more people to use linux :-)
[06:08] <Determinist> still. good open source programmers are so scarce and yet so scattered
[06:08] <ompaul> Determinist, if something did not do the job you want you can if you have the skills do it, if not pay for it, or get skills or money to make it happen
[06:09] <f_newton> Determinist, I am confused... what ARE you talking about?
[06:09] <aftertaf> qpaul: ok :) hehe being dense !
[06:09] <persia> brenner: Nothing in google posted in the 2.6 series :(
[06:09] <ssb_> lol Determinist lolllll
[06:09] <aftertaf> !grub
[06:09] <ubotu> it has been said that grub is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[06:09] <Determinist> f_newton: the number of small linux distros hardly used that contribute just about nothing to the big picture
[06:10] <QMario> Ompaul, why were we spammed?
[06:10] <QMario> !Nvidia
[06:10] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:10] <Determinist> ompaul: making my first steps in learning the API and gnome programming, should try and attempt doing something productive with the knowledge soon
[06:10] <QMario> !Botsnack
[06:10] <ubotu> :)
[06:10] <aftertaf> ok, testing grub...
[06:10] <f_newton> most of the small distro releases are efforts by individuals to build their own linux os... some of them turn out to be winners.... like debian for example ...
[06:10] <JBLoudG20> soo ive googled like mad, can't find a solution
[06:10] <ompaul> ompaul, I had ubotu send you a message to tell you what you had asked about -
[06:10] <thesamet> Is it usual to submit bug report about out of date version of a package in breezy?
[06:11] <ssb_> the only problem most people find with linux, is that it doesn't have installers like in windows, and you have to know the command lines to be able to install the very basic things such as java Jre or any other plugin shame shame :-(
[06:11] <f_newton> I think Determinist you are not looking at the big picture with a wide angle lense
[06:11] <ompaul> ssb_, incorrect, you have to know that you can use synaptic
[06:11] <QMario> Ompaul, are you talking to yourself?
[06:11] <QMario> !Spam
[06:11] <ubotu> Not a clue, QMario
[06:11] <er0mmer> gday ompaul
[06:11] <QMario> !Snack
[06:11] <ubotu> QMario: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:12] <Determinist> f_newton: well, perhaps
[06:12] <QMario> !Ubotu
[06:12] <ompaul> QMario, I am getting confussed :)
[06:12] <ubotu> Thaaat's me! I'm a bot, not a human. I'm sometimes the most coherent poster on #ubuntu! For more, ask me about "add". You can browse my brain on http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:12] <f_newton> ssb that really isnt true either
[06:12] <QMario> !Discovery
[06:12] <ubotu> QMario: Wish i knew
[06:12] <f_newton> it is a lot easier to make one package fit all by making sh installers and tar.gz files instead of deb files and rpm files etc
[06:12] <QMario> Ompaul, how did we get spammed?
[06:13] <ompaul> QMario, in #ubuntu-unregged?
[06:13] <Determinist> f_newton: it's just my feeling that so much more could be accomplished if people just sat and talked. i mean, yes, freedom is fantastic and all, but think of how much more could be accomplished if more programmers spent time debugging and fixing existing distros instead of going and making their own
[06:13] <dwerf> that spambot is incredibly annoying
[06:13] <brenner> persia: in that case, filing a bug report might be the way to go....do you really need to use the .12 kernel?
[06:14] <nalioth> dwerf: register with nickserv and set yourself +CE
[06:14] <ssb_> Brb
[06:14] <QMario> Ompaul, yes.
[06:14] <dwerf> nalioth > i know, i was just complaining, thanx
[06:14] <persia> brenner: Nothing less supports my hardware, and I don't like to compile the upstream sources, so haven't tried anything newer.  I'll go look at some kernel bugs...
[06:15] <ompaul> QMario, if you are referring to  #ubuntu-unregged then point at some kiddie who thinks it is l33t to screw around with 400 peoples days because they can with their network of broken windows boxes most likely
[06:15] <brenner> persia: *nod* good luck
[06:15] <dwerf> what would be a good alternative if i don't like gftp, but want an advanced and graphical ftp app?
[06:15] <Determinist> dwerf: wish i knew. been looking for one myself
[06:16] <filip_> how can i run c:/pm/PM99.exe in wine?
[06:16] <dwerf> Determinist > it's just so ... click intensive
[06:16] <nalioth> dwerf: try kftpgrabber
[06:16] <dwerf> nalioth > thanks
[06:17] <Determinist> dwerf: ohh, i know. very unintuitive and feels like you gotta do too many things to accomplish simple tasks
[06:17] <dwerf> nalioth > it's not in synaptic
[06:17] <zerboxx> I was wondering.  If I'm connected through a router, my internal IP address keeps changing (...100, ...101 etc) is it possible to have it always give me the same one?
[06:18] <QMario> Ompaul, what is your idea?
[06:18] <FlexionDotOrg> dwerf: nautilus and gnome vfs make a nice ftp client.
[06:18] <delltony> zerboxx, yes you set it to static
[06:18] <nalioth> dwerf: lots of good things arent in the repos
[06:18] <delltony> in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[06:18] <nmoore> zerboxx: couldn't you decline to use DHCP, just choose an address statically
[06:18] <dwerf> nalioth > i'll google it
[06:19] <JBLoudG20> any ideas why cups would die after one print job?
[06:19] <nmoore> zerboxx: my router also allows an address to be assigned to a particular MAC address
[06:19] <nalioth> dwerf: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//kftpgrabber.sourceforge.net/&ei=a5IQQ_SLGKWMsgH74MyrCg
[06:19] <filip_> does someone know about wine?
[06:19] <dwerf> nalioth > you're so fast...
[06:19] <redguy> zerboxx: or you could configure your router so it assigns the same IP to your network card
[06:19] <FlexionDotOrg> filip_: Yes, whats up?
[06:19] <persia> Does bugzilla share authentication services with malone?
[06:19] <zerboxx> redguy, nmoore: I'm trying to figure that out with my linksys router..so I assume MAC address wont change ever?
[06:19] <nalioth_zZz> y'all be good
[06:20] <nmoore> zerboxx: it stays the same as long as you keep the same interface card
[06:20] <brenner> dwerf: his girlfriend says that too ;)
[06:20] <nalioth_zZz> brenner: that's girlfriend(S)
[06:20] <filip_> FlexionDotOrg: i whant to run the c/pm/PM99.exe
[06:20] <zerboxx> nmoore: Perfect! Now to figure out if mine can do that ;)
[06:20] <FlexionDotOrg> what is PM99.exe?
[06:20] <nmoore> zerboxx: best bet is probably to locate the router manual
[06:20] <dwerf> nalioth > that looks very good!
[06:20] <dwerf> nalioth > must i compile it myself?
[06:20] <brenner> hehe
[06:20] <filip_> an game.
[06:21] <ompaul> FlexionDotOrg,  a virus or worm more than likely
[06:21] <delltony> anyone here have an older v220 motorola phone? my company gave me this crap phone and i'm wanting to pull some pictures off it and my understanding is moto4lin supports it but when i put the p2k id and the at id in there and do an update list i don't see the phone listed at all as i do with my v551. i have the device set to /dev/ttyACM0 it works fine with my v551 but the v220 no luck
[06:21] <nalioth_zZz> dwerf: if you are looking for cool things NOT in the repos, search sourceforge.net or freshmeat.net
[06:21] <Gnonthgol> zerboxx: you have to tell dhcpclient your mac addres
[06:21] <redguy> zerboxx: by reading your router docs?
[06:21] <nalioth_zZz> goodnight
[06:21] <QMario> Ompaul, how do I know what kernel version I am running?
[06:21] <zerboxx> Gnonthgol: ...what? :)
[06:21] <FlexionDotOrg> ompaul: Yep, which is why I was asking ;-)
[06:21] <brenner> nalioth_zZz: night
[06:21] <delltony> uname -a
[06:21] <QMario> Good night.
[06:21] <ompaul> QMario, uname -a
[06:21] <filip_> FlexionDotOrg: you know how to do?
[06:22] <QMario>  kik
[06:22] <FlexionDotOrg> filip_: First of all you need to be sure Wine is configured correctly.
[06:22] <brenner> neat quavers
[06:22] <brenner> or whatever they're called
[06:22] <FlexionDotOrg> I suggest you use wine-sidenet to do that.
[06:22] <Gnonthgol> zerboxx: the dhcp client have to send your mac adress to the dhcp server. you can chose the mac addres to send in the config file
[06:22] <QMario> Ompaul, have you hear of PlaneShift before?
[06:23] <hybrid_goth> brenner: yea my ex girlfriend told him that too
[06:23] <FlexionDotOrg> I also don't use the wine version in the repos, use The October 19th 2004 version.
[06:23] <delltony> zerboxx, why not just make it real simple like i told you and just change the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[06:23] <ompaul> QMario, no - why would it interest me?
[06:23] <redguy> Gnonthgol: not always true, I think
[06:23] <filip_> FlexionDotOrg: why dont use the new?
[06:23] <dwerf> nalioth_zZz > i've never manually installed in linux - where do i place the files?
[06:23] <bjw> what library is needed for kde so that i can easily remove anything dealing w/ kde
[06:23] <bjw> kdebase?
[06:23] <delltony> just change dhcp to static then give it an ip address subnet and gateway and thats it
[06:23] <hybrid_goth> nalioth is a pimp
[06:24] <FlexionDotOrg> It breaks alot of stuff.
[06:24] <filip_> okej.
[06:24] <FlexionDotOrg> The Octber 19th 2004 version is known to be stable for most things.
[06:24] <zerboxx> delltony: What will happen if I connect directly, then wont it be looking for that static ip?
[06:24] <Gnonthgol> redguy: I had to, but some instll programs could have done it
[06:24] <QMario> Ompaul, it is a god game for Linux.
[06:24] <QMario> s/god/good
[06:24] <delltony> its just assigning your computer to that ip much like your doing with the dhcpclient assigning it
[06:24] <FlexionDotOrg> filip_: Give me a few mins. I will post my Wine guide on my website...
[06:24] <brenner> dwerf: that's called installing from source.  you can use checkinstall to make a nice deb package which you can then install with dpkg -i
[06:25] <brenner> dwerf: most apps should have a readme file or isntall documentation you can read
[06:25] <filip_> FlexionDotOrg: ok, nice of you
[06:25] <ompaul> QMario, it has licence issues not in th code but the images
[06:26] <nalioth_zZz> brenner: actually, the ubuntu checkinstall installs the debs it makes
[06:26] <FlexionDotOrg> filip_: I have some Ubuntu stuff available here : http://www.flexion.plus.com/
[06:26] <delltony> you beat me to it
[06:26] <delltony> thats what i was gonna say :
[06:26] <FlexionDotOrg> You want this page : http://www.flexion.plus.com/windows.html
[06:26] <delltony> checkinstall is nice
[06:27] <bigmouth000> hey. while using synaptic, i installed enlightenment with a few other themes
[06:27] <brenner> nalioth_zZz: neat
[06:27] <bigmouth000> where do i access those seperately installed themes ?
[06:27] <brenner> nalioth_zZz: get to work you lazy bum. :)
[06:27] <delltony> not to bash windows or anythinig but my buddy has hosed his system about 10 times this year and i got tired of messing with his problems and gave him ubuntu haven't heard from him in about 5 months
[06:27] <dv_> hi
[06:27] <zerboxx> delltony: I can figure out the IP I want, and I assume just use the same subnet that dhcp automatically gives, but what about gateway? How can I figure out what to put there?
[06:28] <delltony> the gateway iis your router
[06:28] <dv_> is it possible to find out which packages need to be downloaded?
[06:28] <Seveas> delltony, *g*
[06:28] <delltony> example <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:28] <dv_> I cant download 267 MB here
[06:28] <nalioth_zZz> brenner: i work at 18hrs local
[06:28] <zerboxx> delltony: Oh ok, thanks
[06:28] <nalioth_zZz> night again
[06:28] <dv_> but I can in the university network
[06:28] <delltony> np
[06:28] <dv_> however, I need a list of files to be downloaded
[06:28] <brenner> nalioth_zZz: later
[06:28] <bigmouth000> where to the themes installed for enlightenment via synaptic go to ?
[06:28] <delltony> zerboxx, after you do that then you need to of course save the file you edited
[06:29] <delltony> and then sudo ifdown <yourcardhere>
[06:29] <brenner> dv_: packages for what?
[06:29] <delltony> then sudo ifup <yourcardhere>
[06:29] <dwerf> brenner > why the hell does ubuntu, after "sudo apt-get install build-essential checkinstall", ask for my ubuntu-cd?
[06:29] <dv_> brenner, KDE, anjuta, libfox, etc. etc.
[06:30] <redguy> dwerf: because you have it in your sources.list file
[06:30] <dv_> I cant find a switch in apt-get which shows me the files
[06:30] <delltony> the files as what it downloads?
[06:30] <dv_> yes
[06:30] <dwerf> where is that file and how do skip?
[06:30] <dwerf> i skip
[06:30] <dv_> since I need to know what I have to download in the university
[06:30] <delltony> apt-cache show <packagename>
[06:30] <Gnonthgol> dwerf: try puting the cd line at the botom of the sources.list file
[06:30] <dv_> (cant move the computer over there :) )
[06:31] <dwerf> thanx
[06:31] <delltony> or dpkg -L <packagename>
[06:31] <delltony> its l or L
[06:31] <delltony> i forget
[06:31] <brenner> dv_: you probably mean downloading packages for local install ... that's gonna be icky :)
[06:31] <dv_> yeah
[06:31] <brenner> dpkg -L for a package already installed
[06:31] <hellekin> dwerf simply comment the CD line (starting with #), than sudo apt-get update
[06:31] <hellekin> then =then
[06:31] <dwerf> thanx
[06:31] <hellekin> oops
[06:31] <bigmouth000> anyone have an idea bout installing themes for guifications in gaim ?
[06:31] <brenner> apt-cache show package name for the list of depended pacakges
[06:31] <bigmouth000> i got an xml file here
[06:31] <dv_> hm
[06:31] <dv_> I dont have kubuntu-desktop installed
[06:32] <bigmouth000> shouldn't there be a noob room or something for tiny queries ?
[06:32] <h0sl3r> My school has wireless with WEP security. I use to be able to get on before they enabled the WEP key. All the Windows computers can successfully connect, but my ubuntu computer still does not connect even after I enter the WEP. Do linux need a different format?
[06:33] <delltony> did you use iwconfig?
[06:33] <hellekin> bigmouth000 I guess there is the Search feature of the website?
[06:33] <brenner> dv_: apt-cache show it ... you need all those packages in the depends: section....gross
[06:33] <dv_> ow
[06:33] <delltony> type sudo iwconfig and see what it says
[06:33] <h0sl3r> delltony: no
[06:33] <hellekin> h0sl3r do you have the wireless-tools installed?
[06:33] <h0sl3r> delltony: I used the gnome thing
[06:34] <brenner> dv_: someone might know of a better way though
[06:34] <brenner> dv_: i.e. one that will get dependencies ffor you
[06:34] <dv_> heh
[06:34] <dv_> k
[06:34] <h0sl3r> delltony: what am I looking for?
[06:34] <delltony> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid <nameofrouterhere> key <yourkeygoeshere>
[06:34] <hellekin> dv_ can you restate your question?
[06:35] <delltony> paste me what the output is in a pm
[06:35] <dv_> hellekin, I want to install some big stuff, but I cant download hundreds of MB here (traffic limit)
[06:35] <h0sl3r> hellekin: no
[06:35] <delltony> do yyou use xchat?
[06:35] <h0sl3r> ok
[06:35] <flodine1> can some tell me how to get a password i forgot in irssi
[06:35] <dv_> so I want to download it in the university and install it locally then
[06:35] <iamtehking> there we go
[06:35] <dv_> that is, all needed .deb's
[06:35] <delltony> if so pm me and type /exec -o sudo iwconfig and it will show me what you see on your screen so i can help
[06:35] <dv_> but, I have to find out which files are needed
[06:35] <ITS_FOR_REAL> If im making a script how can i put the sudo password in the same line so i dont get asked about it all the time?
[06:36] <iamtehking> hey does anybody know how to fix the error that whenever i try to send a file to another computer with gaim, nothing happens?  the Send File action just doesnt work
[06:36] <iamtehking> in gaim the Send File action doesnt wrok
[06:36] <iamtehking> whats the deal?
[06:36] <hellekin> dv_ dpkg -l package
[06:36] <zerboxx_> delltony: Thanks! Works like a charm.  But when I connect directly to the internet (outside router) will it work alright?
[06:36] <dv_> hellekin, its not installed yet
[06:36] <hellekin> oh sorry
[06:36] <ITS_FOR_REAL> iamtehking,  what version?
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:13:46:0B:81:D0
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Bit Rate:11 Mb/s   Tx-Power=15 dBm   Sensitivity:1/3
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Retry limit:4   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Encryption key:off
[06:36] <HappyFool>  dv_: maybe something like apt-zip will help
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Power Management:off
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Link Quality=57/92  Signal level=-49 dBm  Noise level=-106 dBm
[06:36] <filip_> someone is running Qemu here?
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[06:36] <delltony> not in here man
[06:36] <h0sl3r>           Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
[06:36] <delltony> in a pm
[06:36] <ITS_FOR_REAL> Hoho
[06:36] <Seveas> FOOL
[06:36] <hellekin> dv_ man apt-cache I guess you can find things there
[06:37] <Seveas> read the goddamn topic
[06:37] <timtux> Hum, this channel has just to many pepole
[06:37] <iamtehking> ITS_FOR_REAL, um the latest ubuntu version
[06:37] <Seveas> and get some common sense
[06:37] <iamtehking> ITS_FOR_REAL, 1.1.4
[06:37] <dv_> ok
           Encryption key:off
[06:37] <delltony> zerboxx, thats why you make two sections
[06:37] <Seveas> (yes, I am touch today)
[06:37] <dv_> and when I get the .deb packages
[06:37] <ITS_FOR_REAL> iamtehking, ok i also got that one and no problem here.... sorry dont know then
[06:37] <dv_> I can simply copy then over to /var/cache/apt/archives?
[06:37] <hellekin> delltony you need to pass it to iwconfig
[06:37] <hellekin> sorry h0sl3r (what am i doing?)
[06:37] <dv_> or do I have to register something somewhere?
[06:38] <brenner> dv_: the way i did it when i had to resort to that was put them all in a dir and then dpkg -i *
[06:38] <delltony> hellekin, see you have key:off
[06:38] <dv_> brenner, heh
[06:38] <delltony> or h0sl3r or whoever i was helping haha
[06:38] <timtux> Hum, tried to update from hoary to breezy today, evrything fuckt up :D
[06:38] <dv_> nioce solution :)
[06:38] <timtux> shit happens
[06:39] <ITS_FOR_REAL> How do i get firestarter to run in usermode or something... in every reboot its asking for password to start..!?
[06:39] <hellekin> dv_ apt-cache search depends packagename
[06:39] <persia> dv_: apt-zip is designed for doing just the sort of offline file management you seek.
[06:39] <hellekin> dv_ will list you the packages you need
[06:39] <dv_> kool.
[06:39] <brenner> ooh, will have to look at apt-zip meself then :)
[06:39] <hellekin> delltony confusing isn't it? ;o)
[06:39] <dv_> thanks
[06:39] <delltony> haha
[06:39] <delltony> yeah a little
[06:40] <Xorlev> ITS_FOR_REAL: Your firestarter should start up at boottime, and then the client will ask for a password to access it.
[06:40] <hellekin> now, my question =8)
[06:40] <delltony> zerboxx, you can type dhcp instead of static
[06:40] <brenner> dv_: i knew someone would know of a better way :)
[06:40] <delltony> and leave he other info there and i should work
[06:40] <delltony> works fine on mine
[06:40] <delltony> but you wll have to maybe type sudo dhclient to probe the router for an ip
[06:40] <delltony> or the network i mean
[06:41] <hellekin> I added some repositories in /etc/apt/sources.lists, including hoary and hoary-security. Of course, I want hoary-security packages to take over hoary packages.
[06:41] <ITS_FOR_REAL> Xorlev, yes seems right but how do i get it to not ask for password every boot?
[06:41] <delltony> like if your not on the router do dhcp instead of static and it will probe like comcast and ge your ip for you
[06:41] <hellekin> However, I couldn't find the preferences entries to allow hoary-security to take over and I have to select all dependencies manually
[06:41] <Xorlev> ITS_FOR_REAL: It shouldn't be asking for a password during boot time, unless the startup is somehow being run as non-superuser.
[06:41] <persia> hellekin: hoary-security packages have a newer version than hoary packages.  `sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude upgrade` will install all the hoary-security updates.
[06:42] <hellekin> persia ah... no preferences then
[06:42] <hellekin> persia: is hoary similar to debian testing at the moment?
[06:42] <persia> hellekin: No, it' supposed to be easy :)
[06:42] <Coyctecm> anybody?How to disable synaptics touchpad?
[06:42] <ITS_FOR_REAL> Xorlev, i dont know i just made an default installation on ubuntu and firestarter via synaptec
[06:42] <hellekin> Coyctecm try a hammer =8)
[06:43] <Coyctecm> yes it would bee great :D
[06:43] <brenner> Coyctecm: touchpad?
[06:43] <Coyctecm> yes...laptopmouse
[06:43] <persia> hellekin: Umm... not really.  Hoary was released before sarge, so the packages are older, and nothing has come in from sid since May.  On the other hand, Hoary has a newer version of GNOME than sarge: I doun't know about etch-to-be.
[06:44] <dwerf> why do some directories not open, like cd /home/myname ?
[06:44] <brenner> er, how is that a synaptics issue?
[06:44] <ITS_FOR_REAL> Xorlev, how do i change my only installed user to superuser then?
[06:44] <brenner> dwerf: what's the error?
[06:44] <Xorlev> ITS_FOR_REAL: I'm not sure, I did a default install as well.
[06:44] <Coyctecm> my laptop touchpad uses drivers called synaptics
[06:44] <timtux> My 2
[06:44] <timtux> :-)
[06:45] <dwerf> brenner > command not found
[06:45] <dwerf> brenner > this seems nonsense
[06:45] <brenner> ah, ok ... thought you meant synaptic the package manager
[06:45] <Coyctecm> =)
[06:45] <brenner> Coyctecm: search the forum, i'm sure someone's asked that b4
[06:45] <dwerf> brenner > hahaha, just discovering linux, and loving it all the way
[06:45] <ITS_FOR_REAL> Xorlev, and u using firestarter and does not gotten a password dialog from firestarter in any time?
[06:45] <brenner> dwerf: as in cd: command not found?
[06:45] <delltony> dwerf, your home dir is not opening?
[06:46] <dwerf> delltony > exactly
[06:46] <Xorlev> When I open the firestarter client it asks for my password, but not on system boot to run the daemon.
[06:46] <ITS_FOR_REAL> Xorlev, yes same here... but how do i get it to not ask for password? or maybe thats just the deal for security reasons?
[06:47] <hellekin> persia: now I put preferences and apt.conf aside, an update wants to upgrade pacakges with the same version...
[06:47] <delltony> see what the chmod is set to on it
[06:47] <dwerf> brenner, delltony > my username is displayed in the /home folder, but it just won't open from te shell
[06:47] <brenner> dwerf: what's the exact error?
[06:47] <delltony> sudo chmod 770 ~
[06:48] <hellekin> dwerf, can you copy-paste ls -l /home
[06:48] <persia> hellekin: Did you have a number of repositories enabled, or compile some packages locally?  The only time that happens for me is when I've built something locally, and it's unverified.
[06:48] <Xorlev> ITS_FOR_REAL: Its running under root, using kdesu. You want the client (which can stay closed at all times) to be run as root.
[06:48] <dwerf> brenner, delltony > bash: cd: No such file or directory
[06:48] <dwerf> brenner, delltony > bash: cd: /username: No such file or directory, actually
[06:48] <delltony> sudo chmod 770 /home/<whoeveryouare>
[06:48] <brenner> dwerf: that means the thing that comes after cd doesn't exist
[06:48] <Xorlev> ITS_FOR_REAL: Running as root and asking for the password to run is alot more secure.
[06:48] <brenner> dwerf: i.e. /username :)
[06:48] <hellekin> persia i didn't build locally except skype, but in the list, i have libc6 and friends =8\
[06:49] <dwerf> brenner > i know, but i can see it!!!
[06:49] <ompaul> dwerf, if I understand you correctly you are running a command line program, you have done (for example) 'cd /home/dwerf' and you are seeing something on the screen that makes you think it is broken - please put the output of 'cd /home/username' into  pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl and then tell us the URL
[06:49] <brenner> dwerf: home directory is /heom/<username> or tou can use ~ as shorthand ... they're equivalent
[06:49] <brenner> dwerf: you can see /username ?
[06:49] <delltony> ompaul, i don't think he has permission to vew the dir
[06:49] <delltony> as his chmod is borked
[06:49] <persia> hellekin: If you're sure the packages weren't modified locally, and you're only using ubuntu repositories, it shouldn't hurt anything to upgrade to the current version, even for libc*.  Emphasis is on shouldn't.
[06:49] <dwerf> ompaul > that i don't understand
[06:50] <ompaul> dwerf, what program are you using for this action?
[06:50] <poningru> anyone know why the udu stuff is gone?
[06:50] <hellekin> persia: that's not an update AFAIK, as both versions are identical. Maybe some cache weirdness?
[06:50] <poningru> or rather why I cant find it?
[06:50] <persia> poningru: It's been merged in the general wiki.
[06:50] <poningru> oh
[06:50] <persia> hellekin: Exactly.
[06:50] <dwerf> brenner > if i type [cd /home]  and then [ls] , a folder is there
[06:50] <poningru> k thanks
[06:50] <delltony> i'm curious on something and this would explain my permission theory
[06:50] <delltony> sudo su
[06:50] <delltony> type in your password
[06:50] <delltony> then ls /home/<whatever>
[06:50] <brenner> ompaul: his output is bash: cd: /username: No such file or directory
[06:51] <brenner> dwerf: yes but you're using an absolute path
[06:51] <hellekin> persia OK, it's debian-based, it should work ;o)
[06:51] <brenner> dwerf: i.e. /username
[06:51] <brenner> dwerf: to cd into a subdirectory, you just use cd username
[06:51] <persia> hellekin: Yes, *should*
[06:51] <dwerf> delltony > that worked!
[06:51] <delltony> if it list it then then there is a permission issue
[06:52] <mveers> hi
[06:52] <delltony> the su did?
[06:52] <brenner> delltony: but he used an absolute path that time.
[06:52] <dwerf> delltony > yes
[06:52] <ompaul> delltony, so now perhaps pastebin would be useful with ls -al
[06:52] <dwerf> what means sudo su?
[06:52] <delltony> aww good point brenner
[06:52] <delltony> means your root
[06:52] <ompaul> delltony, from within home
[06:52] <dwerf> i know sudo is temp root
[06:52] <delltony> so be careful
[06:52] <brenner> dwerf: try this: cd /home/username
[06:52] <dwerf> brenner > it's working now
[06:52] <hellekin> persia: oh, actually, *subversions* differ, aka: security updates
[06:53] <delltony> brenner, remember he is root
[06:53] <delltony> i thnk its his permission on the dir
[06:53] <delltony> type ls -la
[06:53] <dwerf> brenner, delltony > thanx guys!
[06:53] <delltony> and look to see if its root
[06:53] <hellekin> dwerf: did you change your shell?
[06:53] <brenner> delltony: really? i reckon it's not a permissions issue...he's using an absolute path when you shouldn't be
[06:53] <dwerf> hellekin > what do you mean?
[06:53] <dopry> does anyone know of any plans to add gpac to the ubuntu distribution?
[06:54] <delltony> if its root thats your problem
[06:54] <delltony> it should be dwerf:dwerf or whatever
[06:54] <dwerf> delltony > yes
[06:54] <hellekin> dwerf, i hardly followed the conversation but it reminded me when a friend changed his shell from bash to zsh *before* he installed zsh (how silly that can be)
[06:54] <persia> hellekin: Good.  I was wondering.  All will be good.
[06:54] <delltony> yes as in what dwerf ?
[06:54] <delltony> be specific
[06:54] <dwerf> delltony > yes, it is dwerf
[06:55] <delltony> then its brenner's solution then
[06:55] <hellekin> wrong shell and you're out of home
[06:55] <delltony> that rules mine out
[06:55] <dwerf> delltony > what do you mean with dwerf:dwerf?
[06:55] <brenner> so he just got mixed up with CL syntax?
[06:55] <delltony> type sudo dwerf
[06:55] <delltony> so your back to normal user
[06:55] <delltony> means user dwerf
[06:55] <dwerf> ok
[06:55] <delltony> group dwerf
[06:55] <delltony> like i can add users to my computer for webadmin
[06:56] <brenner> dopry: security updates only for hoary.  i think you can request for it to be included for breezy iirc.  not sure though
[06:56] <delltony> that would be the group
[06:56] <delltony> like hommie:webadmin  jimmy:webadmin
[06:56] <delltony> then you set the rules for the group and so on
[06:56] <dopry> brenner: thanks... I'm doing a bunch of mpeg4 development and I'd like to see a good mpeg4 client in ubuntu... I'm trying to escape the confines of flash / quicktime ;)
[06:57] <dopry> brenner: do you knwo where I would put a request or suggestion?
[06:57] <delltony> brenner, thanks for helping me help him :)
[06:57] <brenner> delltony: so what was the problem?
[06:58] <delltony> well i'm going with absolute path cause i ruled out the permissiion issue
[06:58] <persia> dopry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackages
[06:58] <dopry> thanks..
[06:58] <delltony> cause he stated the ls -la said dwerf:dwerf
[06:58] <delltony> so his user and his group has permission to access that dir
[06:58] <brenner> delltony: ah ok.
[06:58] <brenner> dwerf: so you get what the problem was?
[06:59] <brenner> dwerf: you tried to cd into /username, which doesn't exist. /home/username does however.  to cd into a subdir, you just use 'cd username' in the parent dir
[06:59] <dwerf> brenner > not quite, but i've just been using linux for about a week
[06:59] <walde> Hello, is there something similiary to taskel from Debian?
[06:59] <Balduran> Hello
[07:00] <dopry> dwer: or for simplicity you can use cd ~username
[07:00] <delltony> hey a little off topic but i thought this was just something you hear on the news. i had to beat this guys butt yesterday for taking a picture up my girlfriends skirt with a camphone. and actually had him arrested.
[07:00] <Balduran> few minutes ago ive installed some stuff for my gnome-desktop (themes, backgrounds...) then the pc crashed and x wont start anymore... usa
[07:00] <brenner> dwerf: tldp.org might help for learning the basics
[07:00] <Bizmark> does anyone know if there is a version of java that will work on ubuntu?
[07:00] <dwerf> brenner > but if i first type cd /home, wouldn't cd /dwerf take me further?
[07:00] <Balduran> usually it starty automaticly but now i have to login and write startx
[07:00] <delltony> no
[07:00] <dwerf> brenner > i'll check that right now
[07:00] <f_newton> lol dell500 `
[07:00] <Balduran> but the only thing i get is an black screen
[07:00] <delltony> cause your iniside the dir
[07:00] <brenner> dwerf: no, becuase you're using abs path by putting the slash there
[07:01] <f_newton> uh I mean delltony...
[07:01] <dwerf> brenner > cool! i get it...
[07:01] <persia> dopry: My apologies: I misdirected you, rather it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[07:01] <dopry> dwerf: / is an absolute path... cd /home/username; works, cd /home; cd username works
[07:01] <f_newton> Bizmark yes
[07:01] <dwerf> brenner > linux is a very high quality system ... so consistent
[07:02] <dopry> dwerf: the / tells it to start at the root directory if you leave off the leading slash its is relative to the current directory
[07:02] <delltony> if i see her on mobileasses i'm gonna be really pissed off
[07:02] <brenner> delltony: *very* off-topic.  interesting nonetheless :)
[07:02] <delltony> ok ill stop sorry
[07:02] <Bizmark> thanx f_newton... so the one on the ubuntu website works great right?
[07:02] <GregAsche> can someone help me get esd working? i'm so lost
[07:02] <f_newton> delltony dont waste your anger on things you can do nothing about.... as a matter of fact try to keep anger from invading your sanity
[07:02] <f_newton> backports Bizmark
[07:03] <brenner> dwerf: i'm sure windows and other OSes do this too(?)
[07:03] <delltony> yeah true i guess i should take it as a compliment
[07:03] <f_newton> !java
[07:03] <ubotu> hmm... java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[07:03] <delltony> cause if she was ugly he wouldn't have done it
[07:03] <brenner> heh...was this in a club or something?
[07:03] <persia> GregAsche: What are you trying to do with esd?
[07:03] <GregAsche> persia: get it running
[07:03] <delltony> oh anyone know of a sourceforge project or whatever for java games that i can use moto4lin to put on my phone?
[07:03] <f_newton> delltony...he was probabl just seeing if it would work  using his cellphone like that
[07:04] <GregAsche> whenever I run esd I get the error "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:868:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave"
[07:04] <persia> GregAsche: Locally, or over the network?
[07:04] <GregAsche> locally
[07:04] <Tadej`Certanc> hi
[07:04] <dwerf> brenner > i was addressing linux more broadly than just this issue
[07:04] <persia> GregAsche: Do you have ALSA sound working?
[07:04] <Tadej`Certanc> Where do I have to put scripts that need te be run at startup?
[07:05] <GregAsche> persia: I think so, but when I search for it in processes, it's not there
[07:05] <persia> GregAsche: ALSA doesn't show in a process, but you'd hear sound when you tried to do something noisy.
[07:05] <ompaul> walde, did you mean tasksel ?
[07:05] <GregAsche> persia: I can't get any sound
[07:06] <GregAsche> i had sound working before, and then I tried to start esd, and now I have no sound at all
[07:07] <persia> GregAsche: OK.  For sound problems, you probably want to look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DebuggingSoundProblems/.   Tried recovery mode but that didn't do. If anyone is able to help me out please keep in mind I'm very much a beginner in the world of *nix.
[07:08] <persia> GregAsche: Oops: I take too long to type.
[07:08] <GregAsche> hm?
[07:08] <JDahl> Tadej`Certanc, I thought there was a /etc/init.d/local script for exactly that, but I cant seem to find it now... anyone else knows abot that?
[07:08] <Jason_L> is anyone else having a problem searching ubuntuforums.org? I keep getting a database error
[07:09] <CypherNix> Jason_L, am getting it as well.
[07:09] <brenner> CypherNix: so you can't login and get to a terminal in any way?
[07:09] <CypherNix> brenner, well I'm logged in to Ubuntu now but I can't edit that file to remove the bad entry, since sudo doesn't work.
[07:09] <ekimus> JDahl: there isn't one in hoary just create it...
[07:09] <brenner> ah, good point :)
[07:10] <CypherNix> Tried logging in to Root Terminal but that failed as well, for obvious reasons (I think).
[07:10] <HappyFool> Tadej`Certanc, JDahl: maybe /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?
[07:11] <Jason_L> My Ubuntu system keeps locking up after logging in - gnome loads and the desktop appears, but just as the taskbars are coming up it freezes - I thought I ran into this before and had to edit something in the grub.conf but I can't figure out what it was - any suggestions? I am using the k7 kernel
[07:11] <persia> GregAsche: I've looked a but for your error, and don't have an easy solution.  My apologies.  It looks like dmix gives this error when the sound device listed as the slave (default output pcm) is already in use.  lsof | grep pcm may provide a guide as to which process is using it.
[07:11] <CypherNix> It was later that I found out that I should be using visudo for that, not gedit but now it's to late.
[07:11] <funkyHat> CypherNix, use a ubuntu liveCD if you have one, if not any linux bootable system will do
[07:11] <funkyHat> you can use that to edit the file
[07:12] <CypherNix> Hmm.
[07:12] <GregAsche> persia: lsof | grep pcm returns nothing
[07:12] <GregAsche> i'm going to reboot now, i think i might get it working
[07:12] <CypherNix> funkyHat,  So I would just pop that in and edit if using the LiveCD no other way?
[07:12] <Tadej`Certanc> HappyFool: Ill try it
[07:12] <Tadej`Certanc> thanks
[07:13] <funkyHat> CypherNix, for future reference, if you want to add someone to sudoers, you just need to add them to the 'admin' group (or tick the relevant box in the user manager)
[07:13] <GlenC> which lightweight wm should I get and how do I install it?
[07:13] <CypherNix> funkyHat, I was already added I wanted a command to execute.
[07:13] <funkyHat> oh right
[07:14] <ompaul> GlenC, fluxbox has a good name, with people I know and trust
[07:14] <CypherNix> Firestarter GUI to be more precise.
[07:14] <funkyHat> hmm
[07:14] <brenner> GlenC: i like xfce, you can install it through apt-get install xfce4
[07:14] <ompaul> GlenC, I have used it and found it useful, however I use Gnome myself
[07:14] <GlenC> well this computer is old
[07:15] <ompaul> GlenC, then fluxbox or xfce4 are useful