[20:01] <mhall119> ahoneybun_: what's the status on your Kubuntu DVD art, is Tom waiting for a reply from you about the origami design?
[20:02] <mhall119> Bryanstein: ping me when you're around, got a question about FOSSETCON
[20:09] <ahoneybun> mhall119: I did....
[20:10] <ahoneybun> "Geometric is the KDE artstyle I believe and we are pure KDE so we should stick with that. I like the Japanese designs concept but that is Ubuntu related and we are still part of Ubuntu but we should have a design that is a mix of our own and KDE. Also I moved the text and logo on the front from feedback from our community which is very important to me and us as a whole."
[20:14] <ahoneybun> I've sent the email again mhall119
[21:27] <DammitJim> since upstart is the preferred way of managing services, how do I start a service?


[00:26] <pavel__> whats school
[00:26] <pavel__> *what school
[00:39] <SamuraiAlba> Cumberland County College in Vineland NJ
[00:47] <MutantTurkey> Montgomery County CC ftw
[04:16] <pavel__> hello
[04:18] <beta0x64> hi
[04:30] <pavel__> hows it going
[04:35] <andrew> morning
[04:38] <pavel__> hello
[04:43] <beta0x64> I'm trying to decide on a language to work in
[04:43] <beta0x64> I want to master one programming language but I can't choose
[04:44] <pavel__> c/C++
[05:42] <andrew> English
[05:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[06:03] <beta0x64> when I'm asked on a job application "highest education" and I am still in college for my BS
[06:03] <beta0x64> do I say high school or BS?
[06:05] <pavel__> HS
[06:05] <pavel__> thats the last axquired degree
[06:05] <pavel__> unless you can say that ur currently enrolled in the bs
[06:10] <beta0x64> pavel__, unfortunately it's not an option. that was what I was hoping wasn't true lol
[06:10] <beta0x64> I think I want to master PHP
[06:10]  * beta0x64 waits for flames
[06:11] <pavel__> ive tried
[06:11] <pavel__> never got far
[06:11] <pavel__> realize im not a web type person
[06:12] <beta0x64> it seems so saturated :(
[06:12] <beta0x64> I am wondering just how far I have to go to be marketable
[06:12] <pavel__> well put
[06:13] <pavel__> uh have working examples
[06:13] <pavel__> i wish i masterd fotoshop or illustrator
[06:14] <beta0x64> that's also saturated I think
[06:17] <pavel__> very.
[06:17] <pavel__> just like dj software
[08:15] <JonathanD> Morning.
[08:53] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[08:57] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[08:57] <rmg51> 0/
[10:30] <InHisName> morning to u 2
[11:22] <jedijf> still wooting off
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> morning
[12:06] <jedijf> morning
[12:15] <InHisName> still buying things at woot, jedijf ?
[12:18] <jedijf> fighting
[12:18] <jedijf> hard
[12:19] <jedijf> don't think i bought anything yesterday...2 close calls
[12:24] <InHisName> There was a nice lappy for only $499 for those with income.
[12:44] <jedijf> InHisName: which one, i was fighting off the samsung for 5 and change
[12:44] <jedijf> i feel weaker today
[12:44] <InHisName> Awwww
[12:47] <InHisName> How come you are not one of those die hards that buy one each of everything ?   How do they find time to open and use each item even if no job at all?
[13:03] <teddy-dbear> only one day to go! :-[
[13:03] <teddy-dbear> PAR...TAY!!!
[13:42] <jthan> Morning everyone
[13:56] <InHisName> Howdy jthan
[13:57] <jthan> What's going on?
[14:00] <InHisName> installed win8 for grins.   Kinda slow in vbox.  Menu system more 'alien' than even unity.
[14:01] <JonathanD> InHisName: I have it on a lenovo tablet.
[14:01] <JonathanD> an x200
[14:01] <jthan> Fun stuff
[14:02] <InHisName> HP sent me note yesterday that my HP tablet is coming in 2 weeks.  Wierd.... they said they were making more to satisfy all the orders during the inventory blow-out pricing in Aug.
[14:04] <InHisName> Also re-organizing my 'computer-room' in my basement.
[14:05] <InHisName> Trying to fit everything into it.   HAH !   Really old stuff will have to go to attic for storage.
[14:06] <MutantTurkey> morning
[14:09] <InHisName> Mutated and no mobile this morning ?
[14:09] <MutantTurkey> technically I am always mobile now
[14:09] <MutantTurkey> so I realized the mobile turkey was irrelevant
[14:09] <MutantTurkey> I am free range!
[14:09]  * MutantTurkey queues born to be wild on amarok
[14:12] <InHisName> between lectures with profs, MutantTurkey ?    Hope you're not ignoring one now.
[14:13] <MutantTurkey> InHisName: class starts right about now
[18:31] <InHisName> anyone know lots about wireless access points and diff when advertisements say 150 MB or 300 or 450 ?
[18:32] <InHisName> megabits
[18:36] <MutantTurkey> yes
[18:36] <MutantTurkey> don't listen to any, but cheapest one
[18:36] <MutantTurkey> they are all poorly built and designed to last less than 5 years
[18:55] <InHisName> whaddya have for wireless, mut
[18:56] <InHisName> oh you're gone already
[20:58] <jedijf> running 11.10
[20:59] <MutantTurkey> oneiric is a pain in my buttox
[20:59]  * MutantTurkey hides
[21:01] <jedijf> so far treatring me better than woot....i want a bag of crap
[21:01] <jedijf> font is funny
[21:02] <jedijf> my irssi cursor is outlined
[21:05] <jedijf> ok don't like cursor options
[21:07] <JonathanD> BOC!
[21:21] <jedijf> JonathanD: you coming down to release party?
[21:22] <JonathanD> Hmm
[21:22] <JonathanD> in the city?
[21:22] <JonathanD> Thats halloween :/ we'll be camping.
[21:34] <andrew> morning
[21:39] <Sadin> jedijf i wish i could i only have learners permit and no way will my parents let me go down to philly on that lol
[21:49] <jedijf> JonathanD: it's tomorrow
[21:49] <jedijf> Sadin: maybe another event, this is a 21+ location
[21:51] <Sadin> ah well i cant even go anyway
[21:53] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: stuck with your permit too? meh
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: there are not 21+ locations i know of
[21:55] <MutantTurkey> you mean 18+
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> 18 you can get into bars
[21:56] <jedijf> yeah but we don't want/need that drama either
[21:56] <MutantTurkey> yeah understood
[21:56] <jedijf> if you said you liked unity i may buy you a drink
[21:57] <Sadin> i like unity but i am straight edge and refuse to drink :O
[21:57] <JonathanD> oh!
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> pfft unity sucks
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> its like using a mac but worse
[21:57] <jedijf> Sadin: no worries, me too!
[21:57] <jedijf> and i am old
[21:57] <MutantTurkey> I mean I genuinely tried to like it.
[21:58] <Sadin> i enjoy unity but im using gnome3
[21:58] <JonathanD> i dont hate it
[21:58] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: you did not
[21:58] <jedijf> 6 weeks is genuine try
[21:58]  * Sadin wins used it since release of 11.04
[21:58]  * Sadin is now on gnome3 though
[21:59] <jedijf> see, i like unity better than gnome3, but that's because of usage
[21:59] <Sadin> for "reasons" not because i hated unity but im using fedora on my laptop now
[21:59]  * Sadin hides from ubuntu mob
[21:59] <jedijf> gnome3 sits on a box that I rarely start x on
[21:59] <Sadin> <3 ubuntu
[22:00] <Sadin> but im an official member of the fedora design team jedijf :D
[22:00] <jedijf> Sadin: it doesn't matter what distro you use; we have what no one else has, *community*
[22:00] <Sadin> when you mean no one else what do you mean distros or loco teams
[22:01] <jedijf> and if we weren't open-minded, wouldn't that be a little hypocritical
[22:01] <Sadin> true very true
[22:01] <jedijf> Sadin: the whole community 'thing' others have tried, but nothing is close
[22:02] <jedijf> sure, nice wikis, good forums, busy irc, but rare release events and physical meatspacey stuff
[22:02] <Sadin> jedijf i designed the banner for the main fedora website for the release of 16 :) its approved but onece its implimented ill get my own @fedoraproject.org email and contibuter benifits
[22:03] <Sadin> jedijf by 'others' do you mean distros
[22:03] <Sadin> O
[22:03] <Sadin> :O
[22:03] <jedijf> yes
[22:04] <Sadin> ah well i have a reason for using fedora because the ubuntu design team is very hypocritical in the teams of open ness
[22:04] <jedijf> or just bad timing
[22:04] <Sadin> and i wanted to contibute to a distro in terms of design
[22:04] <jedijf> people get touchy around release time
[22:05] <Sadin> jedijf i guess i just like the way things are handled on fedoras better but i love the ubuntu OS more to be honest
[22:05] <Sadin> fedoras design team*
[22:06] <Sadin> ubuntu has the best community by far
[22:06] <Sadin> :)
[22:11] <jedijf> i thought the design team was a canonical thing
[22:12] <Sadin> well you can submit things and they vote
[22:14] <Sadin> the thing is thats not open i mean you can be one of the hundreds of people who submit say a wallpaper then 5 people vote and no one else besides the people who work for canonical can have a say really. as opposed to in fedoras where people can only vote if they are a member however anyone can opt to be a member as long as they rove them selves by completing a design task o their choise to take on. I like how fedora handles th
[22:14] <Sadin> ings better but thats just my opinion doesnt make them better
[22:14] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu is a corporate baby.
[22:15] <MutantTurkey> almost as bad as microsoft imho
[22:15] <Sadin> no never dont go there
[22:15] <Sadin> :|
[22:15] <MutantTurkey> they don't even mention that it is linux on the home page
[22:15] <MutantTurkey> WHAT THE FUCK STOP TAKING CREDIT FOR DECADES OF WORK THAT YOU DIDN'T DO.
[22:15]  * MutantTurkey throws change in the swear jar
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> but seriously, respect is due where it is due
[22:16] <Sadin> calm lol thats not how to handle things and yes your right
[22:16] <Sadin> respect is due
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> okay, now go to the "why it's free" page
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> NOPE NOPE NOPE CHUCK TESLA THEY DON'T MENTION LINUX THERE EITHER
[22:16] <MutantTurkey> apparently it's an operating system that was completely created by the glorious canonnical, which making design decisions that suck, and that all others distros have to follow.
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> F THAT S***
[22:17] <Sadin> caps isnt nessisary
[22:17] <Sadin> and how old are you?
[22:17] <Sadin> :O
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: 17, but it doesn't matter my age.
[22:17] <Sadin> well you act alot younger :)
[22:17] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu just makes me furious these days.
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> going from ubuntu 7.10 to 11.10 is disgusting, it went from a free, open source GNU/Linux box that enabled productivity into some sort of cloud opreating system apparently entirely created by cannincal, forcing you into their poor design decisions
[22:18] <MutantTurkey> meh.
[22:19] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: duely noted, I do attempt to act more mature typically, but i make exceptions
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> someone needs to slap them in the face
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> and it should be the ubuntu community.
[22:20] <Sadin> :P
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> :|
[22:20] <MutantTurkey> Sadin: zero laughs were had that day
[22:21] <Sadin> now thats what i wanted to see and honest answer/opinion not all caps rage and swearing :P
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> mark shuttle worth needs to jump some cliffs
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> at least bill gates is a good guy
[22:21] <Sadin> not in his early days
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> relevant: http://i.imgur.com/DjqMN.jpg
[22:21] <Sadin> thank god the government shut him down
[22:21] <MutantTurkey> anyway, gotta go eat
[22:22] <MutantTurkey> more on this later. thanks for tuning in folks!
[22:22] <Sadin> lol
[22:42] <jedijf> someone had too much occupyphilly
[22:43] <jedijf> a rebuttal is in order
[22:43] <jedijf> the default image is aimed at a non-technical desktop user, more like an average windows or mac user
[22:44] <jedijf> those of us, who would like a more technical experience, would/should know to construct their system to their liking
[22:44] <andrew> evening, jedijf
[22:45] <jedijf> either by using the alternate install cli only (which provides desktop kernel) or the server install, and building up from there
[22:45] <jedijf> rebuttal over
[22:45] <jedijf> evening andrew
[22:46] <jedijf> andrew: you coming down tomorrow? or climbing a rock or something
[22:46] <andrew> Sorry, had other plans scheduled before I got word of tomorrow's gathering
[22:46] <andrew> at least I got to see pleia2 last night
[22:47] <jedijf> you will be missed
[22:47] <jedijf> yeah, that was good
[22:47] <andrew> I know :-/
[22:47] <jedijf> i'm stealing her preso - i love openess
[22:47] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[22:47] <SamuraiAlba> Hiya, jedijf
[22:47] <jedijf> hey SamuraiAlba
[22:47] <jedijf> andrew: do you have calendar access?
[22:48] <SamuraiAlba> How is it going, jedijf?
[22:48] <jedijf> ubuntu-pa calendar access
[22:48] <jedijf> SamuraiAlba: good, keep waking up
[22:48] <jedijf> SamuraiAlba: and you?
[22:48] <SamuraiAlba> Working in IT at the college, now
[22:49] <jedijf> SamuraiAlba: great
[22:50] <SamuraiAlba> Anyone have a use for several Cisco 3548 XL switches?
[22:50] <andrew> jedijf: don't think so
[22:50] <SamuraiAlba> Found em for under $40 EACH :)
[22:50] <SamuraiAlba> 48 Port 10/100 Managed