[00:08] <hyperair> tjaalton: chromium 41 misses some security updates though
[05:23] <tjaalton> i only use it for testing
[05:28] <hyperair> ah, i see
[05:28] <hyperair> makes sense then.


[18:28] <raevol> released!? \o/
[18:30] <pleia2> si :)
[18:39] <nhaines> Yay!
[18:40] <pleia2> now my todo list item to put 14.04 on all the systems I'm dragging along to our release party next week is unblocked
[19:00] <raevol> pleia2: teehee :D
[20:34] <grantbow> I guess the final images were changed slightly as my last rsync images have some work to do right now
[22:33] <arrith> hm the server iso daily build from 20140416.2 matched the release zsync
[22:33] <arrith> i actually was using it already for toy projects, and it was working fine :)


[03:37] <linuxman410> anyone here
[03:38] <linuxman410> wrst  u here
[03:38] <linuxman410> am trying out manjaro i like it
[15:45] <wrst> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge well that is interesting
[15:47] <pirate> :O
[16:25] <pir8> aha


[07:56] <adom> ChinnoDog: what kind of IT engineer? infrastructure? hosting? linux? windows?
[11:25] <ChinnoDog> windows infrastructure


[10:59] <stub> tvansteenburgh: Have you seen the apt failures in the bundletester CI system? Something odd going in inside the charmbox container best I can tell from here.
[11:30] <tvansteenburgh> stub: yes, this is the root cause https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-urllib3/+bug/1500768
[11:30] <mup> Bug #1500768: python3.4.3 SRU break requests <regression-update> <trusty> <verification-done> <python-urllib3 (Ubuntu):Invalid> <python-urllib3 (Ubuntu Trusty):Fix Committed by doko> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768>
[11:33] <stub> tvansteenburgh: ta
[13:55] <suchvenu> hi
[13:55] <suchvenu> In my juju local container I am getting the issue like shown below :
[13:55] <suchvenu> Err http://security.ubuntu.com trusty-security Release.gpg   Could not resolve 'security.ubuntu.com' Err http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release.gpg   Could not resolve 'archive.ubuntu.com'
[13:56] <suchvenu> Can anyone help pls
[14:19] <suchvenu>  Begin Install. 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install Err http://security.ubuntu.com trusty-security InRelease 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install Err http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty InRelease 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install Err http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty-updates InRelease 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install 2015-10-14 13:48:04 INFO install Err http://security.ubuntu.com
[14:19] <suchvenu> This is the section from debug-log
[14:22] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: o/
[14:22] <marcoceppi> I was just reading your email
[14:23] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: this seems to be a networking/dns resolution issue. Do you have an HTTP proxy set?
[14:25] <suchvenu> No
[14:29] <marcoceppi> suchvenu: can you log into the machine and run `ping <IP_ADDRESS>` ?
[14:45] <suchvenu> ok
[14:45] <suchvenu> Its pinging
[15:01] <kwmonroe> hey aisrael, have you gone up to vbox 5 yet?  and if so, any gotchas doing vagrant/juju stuffs with that?
[15:03] <aisrael> kwmonroe: I've been running virtualbox 5 for a while. No issues that I've run into.
[15:03] <kwmonroe> cool, thx aisrael!
[15:28] <shilkaul> Hi , I have a scenario in which a user is deploying service A and service B simulataneously , but service B should be executed after service A is deployed successfully.
[15:28] <shilkaul> Is there some way where there can be a delay in the order which service B is called after A
[15:57] <cory_fu> shilkaul: Yes.  You can use relations to model the dependency between services.  Specifically, service A can use relation-set to set a value on the relation interface, and service B can block its actions until it sees that flag from service A.
[16:00] <cory_fu> shilkaul: I should note that these sorts of cross-service dependencies can be tricky to keep track of for multiple services, or when combined with dependencies on config values, etc.  That is a big part of the motivation behind the reactive & layers pattern that we developed: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-composing
[16:01] <cory_fu> The idea there being that you depend on relation interface layers to set states, and you use @when and other decorators to respond to combinations of states from whatever interfaces you depend on.
[16:02] <cory_fu> It's still under development, though, so consider that pattern in the "early adopter" or "public beta" phase, but it should hopefully give you an idea of how this problem can be solved
[16:03] <cory_fu> You can also solve the problem with traditional style hooks, especially with simpler charms, but you have to think carefully about what the overall state of your service might be during any given hook invocation (since they can be called in many possible orders)
[16:12] <shilkaul> thanks cory , the issue I am facing is that these two hooks are not participating in any join relation , they are unrelated.in hook A I am mounting some directory.In hook B I want to run some services when successfull mounting happens in hook A.
[16:15] <cory_fu> I'm a bit confused.  If there is no relation between the services, then why does B care whether a directory is mounted on A?
[16:23] <shilkaul> I have a storage service A and another Service B which is my master of cluster.To add a slave node ie service C , I am adding relation between A and C and B and C.So when C joins A , it will mount directories on C from A.and when C joins B , some services I need to run from bin folder of mounted folder.
[16:27] <cory_fu> Ah.  Hrm.  I guess you would have to propagate state along the relations that exist.  Specifically, A should tell C that its storage is ready to use, then, once it has that info, C should tell B that it is ready to act as a slave.  We do something much like this in the big data charms, though those use the older "services framework" to manage the inter-dependencies, which is not nearly as easy to follow as the reactive + layers pattern
[16:29] <shilkaul>  can you please share some big data example which i can explore on this type of sceanrios ?
[16:31] <cory_fu> Certainly.  The bundle that contains the core set of charms is: https://jujucharms.com/apache-core-batch-processing/
[16:32] <cory_fu> In that case, apache-hadoop-hdfs-master (and apache-hadoop-yarn-master) depends on apache-hadoop-compute-slave to do useful work.  Then, apache-hadoop-plugin depends on apache-hadoop-hdfs-master (and apache-hadoop-yarn-master) to tell it when it is ready to do work (i.e., has at least one compute-slave)_
[16:33] <shilkaul> ok , thanks
[16:33] <cory_fu> shilkaul: The specific bits of code you're interested in are the "requires" blocks in common.py in each charm, such as: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bigdata-dev/charms/trusty/apache-hadoop-plugin/trunk/view/head:/hooks/common.py#L87
[16:34] <cory_fu> In the parlance of the services framework, those say "don't do anything in callbacks unless these relations have set their ready flag"
[16:39] <cory_fu> The relation classes are a bit more complicated than that due to other constraints in big data, but that's the core of it.  They're also hosted in a shared library:


[02:57] <blahdeblah> Hi. Is there a way to do partial commits a-la "git commit -p"?  The best I've been able to find so far is to "bzr shelve" the bits I don't want, selectively keep the bits I want to commit, commit them, then unshelve, rinse, and repeat, which is a bit tedious; "bzr shelve" also doesn't allow splitting of diffs like "git add -p" does.  Any better ideas?
[22:05] <riderirc> anybody awake?
[22:06] <mgrandi> mmhmm
[22:07] <riderirc> Does anyone actually respond to bugs reported on launchpad?
[22:07] <LeoNerd> About 70% of the planet, most likely
[22:07] <riderirc> I have a rather severe problem (bzr check crashes), and nobody's responded to a bug posted in the beginning of December 2014.
[22:07] <mgrandi> link to the bug report
[22:07] <mgrandi> plz
[22:07] <riderirc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/1399773
[22:08] <riderirc> It's like fsck crashing - shouldn't happen, and you're screwed when it does...  :-)
[22:08] <mgrandi> hmm
[22:08] <mgrandi> yeah, i think thats exactly the case
[22:08] <mgrandi> bzr: ERROR: bzrlib.errors.NoSuchRevision: CHKInventoryRepository('file:///root/ww/.bzr/repository/') has no revision<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:08] <riderirc> I need to some way to make the repo consistent (and usable) again, even if I lose certain revisions
[22:08] <mgrandi> So its obviously missing a revision and ....therefore fails the check
[22:09] <riderirc> but I don't want to discard the entire revision history
[22:09] <mgrandi> do you have any other copies of the repo?
[22:09] <riderirc> unfortunately, no.
[22:09] <mgrandi> and that username is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>? lol
[22:09] <riderirc> I replaced my actual email addr with that placeholder.
[22:09] <mgrandi> ah
[22:09] <mgrandi> if you check in the /root/ww/.bzr/ folder, do you have a 'obsolete packs'?
[22:10] <mgrandi> folder
[22:10] <riderirc> I was beginning to wonder if bzr devel had just gone completely dead...
[22:10] <riderirc> let me check
[22:10] <mgrandi> canonical seems to of shifted...to other things at the moment
[22:11] <mgrandi> but bzr is more or less in a good state, software can always be improved, etcetc
[22:11] <riderirc> I've been resisting switching to git, but you know, this kind of thing makes me question my choice.
[22:11] <mgrandi> lol, git has this problem to
[22:11] <riderirc> yeah, but honestly it's still pretty buggy...
[22:11] <riderirc> for sure, but the git dev team is pretty quick to respond
[22:11] <mgrandi> read about how KDE almost lost _all_ of their git repos cause git does 'mirrors' without checking pack files?
[22:11] <mgrandi> yeah, git does have the benefit of the entire kernel team behind it pretty much
[22:12] <riderirc> thus its primary attraction, I think...
[22:12] <riderirc>  /root/ww/.bzr/repository/obsolete_packs/ has 61 files in it
[22:12] <mgrandi> well the thing is bzr is telling you whats wrong, it cant find the revision, so it doesn't know what else to do, other then magic
[22:12] <mgrandi> i wonder if that revision is in there, one sec
[22:13] <mgrandi> jelmer: do you know of a way to make bzr look in obsolete_packs for missing revisions to fix a repo?
[22:13] <mgrandi> I have been messing around with the bzr pack format but i dont have anything yet that can just 'insert' a revision in the right spot
[22:13] <mgrandi> let me find my script that lists the revisions at least
[22:13] <riderirc> cool
[22:14] <mgrandi> git loves its simplicity and the revisions are just text files haha
[22:14] <riderirc> btw I appreciate your help; I've been checking in here regularly for weeks but nobody's generally awake  :-)
[22:14] <mgrandi> yeah, they are all eurofolk
[22:14] <fullermd> You could setup a strawman copy of the repo with the "obsolete" packs in the main location.
[22:14] <mgrandi> im not a core developer but i like bazaar so i hang out here when i can
[22:14] <mgrandi> the mailing list would probably be better too, since a lot of people get that, even if they are not on irc all the time (like me lol)
[22:19] <riderirc> FWIW: here's the pack layout: http://pastebin.com/75QbcHWz
[22:19] <riderirc> .{r,s,t,c,i}ix files omitted from the obsolete listing.
[22:25] <mgrandi> well, here is my script that i had, i modified it so it can work on * files
[22:25] <mgrandi> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/t1ARpUd5Ks4ZOmx61zHn/
[22:26] <mgrandi> try calling it like "python2.7 print_out_index_keys.py <REPO_FOLDER>/.bzr/repository/obsolete_packs/*.rix
[22:26] <mgrandi> and then search that file for the revision that bazaar says its missing in your bug report
[22:27] <mgrandi> with the filled in email =P
[22:28] <mgrandi> if you find it in there then hopefully its in one of the .pack files in obsolete_packs
[22:39] <riderirc> I ran it, but I'm going to have to have a quick look at the script as it crashed...
[22:39] <riderirc>   File "print_out_index_keys.py", line 56, in printOutIndexKeys
[22:39] <riderirc>     print("noderef: {}, keyelements: {}, len: {}, rowlength: {}".format(noderef_val, keyelements_val, len_val, rowlength_val))
[22:39] <riderirc> ValueError: zero length field name in format
[22:42] <mgrandi> lol guess python2.6 doesn't like the {}
[22:42] <mgrandi> http://paste.pound-python.org/show/TgvP4QYTQ0l0xuhAHemj/
[22:42] <mgrandi> try that maybe
[22:43] <mgrandi> just added indexes to make it happy
[22:44] <riderirc> yeah, I actually don't use "".format() in 2.x, rather I use ""%(tuple,)  :-)
[22:45] <mgrandi> yeahh, im a python 3 guy
[22:46] <riderirc> I suppose I really should change one of these days...  too many of the 2-3 changes seem pedantic rather than reality based though
[22:46] <riderirc> it annoys me, so I stick with 2.x
[22:47] <fullermd> They all seem nuts to me, so I stick with 5.x  ;p
[22:47] <riderirc> anyway, I gave field numbers to each {} for format and it happily spit out data.  I'm going to check for the missing revisionu
[22:48] <riderirc> if the revision is in the pack file, how the heck can it be 'missing' unless it's a bzr bug that failed to actually put it in there?
[22:48] <riderirc> it's not as if someone rm'ed a discrete file.
[22:48] <fullermd> bzr doesn't look at obsolete_packs
[22:49] <fullermd> Could happen via FS corruption, as one offhand guess.  A bit flip somewhere could make it seem like a different id.
[22:50] <mgrandi> yeah
[22:50] <fullermd> I'd expect internal checks to notice that; you could just check the md5's of the pack files.
[22:50] <mgrandi> It _should_ look in obsolete_packs
[22:50] <riderirc> at any rate, the output from your script doesn't appear to include the missing rev.  (your_script > output_file ; grep<PHONE_NUMBER>4955 output_file)
[22:50] <fullermd> But if it happened in memory, it wouldn't be found at that level.
[22:50] <fullermd> (of course, that couldn't happen, or you'd have gotten an ECC error message.  Right?)
[22:51] <riderirc> there's nothing from the year 2012 showing up at all in the output
[22:51] <mgrandi> how new is that revision
[22:51] <riderirc> fuller: one would hope
[22:51] <mgrandi> hmm..2012..
[22:51] <mgrandi> so there have been commits since then? like a decent number?
[22:51] <riderirc> and the issue just showed up recently
[22:51] <riderirc> probably not a gigantic number
[22:52] <mgrandi> cause stuff gets put into obsolete_packs after bzr runs a 'pack', but if you commited something, and it gets lost before it repacks, then there is no 'backup' in obsolete_packs
[22:52] <mgrandi> and did you make sure to run it against *.rix ? aka the astrik
[22:52] <mgrandi> not just one .rix file
[22:55] <riderirc> yes, it # grep checking.file rixcheck  | wc -l
[22:55] <riderirc> 11
[22:55] <riderirc> it checked 11 of them
[22:55] <mgrandi> so what are the dates in the backup files? like 2014/2015?
[22:56] <mgrandi> that the output gives you
[22:56] <riderirc> so what actual gets put in the obsolete packs anyway (when bzr pack is run) ?
[22:56] <mgrandi> its sort like git, when you commit stuff they get placed in different packs, and information about them (rix, six, tix, etc)
[22:57] <mgrandi> when you repack, it consolidates all the different ones  in 'repository', and places them all into one, and moves the old ones back into obsolete_packs
[22:57] <riderirc> 38 revisions, ranging from<PHONE_NUMBER>4022 to<PHONE_NUMBER>2333
[22:57] <mgrandi> sorta how git does it. git has basically a 'file' for every commit, but it can also repack them into one giant file so it doesn't have to search 8000 files to find the right thing
[22:57] <riderirc> ( grep @ rixcheck  | awk -F- '{print $2}'|sort )
[22:58] <mgrandi> so im confused on how you have commits from 2013 but nothing earlier in the backup? is this imported from svn or something?
[22:58] <mgrandi> dunno how that revision is just not there
[22:58] <riderirc> no, it's been bzr since day 0
[22:58] <riderirc> hmm, let me check something
[22:58] <blahdeblah> Repeating yesterday's question: Is there a way to do partial commits a-la "git commit -p"?  The best I've been able to find so far is to "bzr shelve" the bits I don't want, selectively keep the bits I want to commit, commit them, then unshelve, rinse, and repeat, which is a bit tedious; "bzr shelve" also doesn't allow splitting of diffs like "git add -p" does.  Any better ideas?
[22:58] <mgrandi> you can always try cding into the directory where the repo is (normally), and run 'bzr revision-history'
[22:59] <mgrandi> that prints out just revision ids, does that print out the 2012 date?
[22:59] <mgrandi> I think git shelve is the only thing, its a bit easier with the GUI version of shelve (qshelve)
[22:59] <mgrandi> err bzr shelve
[23:00] <blahdeblah> mgrandi: OK - thanks
[23:00] <riderirc> aha!
[23:00] <fullermd> Somebody once wrote a 'record' plugin, mirroring darcs record, which allows similar things.
[23:00] <riderirc> looks like someone pivoted out the old directory...
[23:00] <fullermd> (darcs records does, I mean; I don't know for sure whether the bzr record did, but I assume so, since that's kinda the point)
[23:00] <riderirc> python print_out_index_keys.py /root/oldww/ww/.bzr/repository/obsolete_packs/*.rix > rixcheck-old
[23:00] <riderirc> bijngo
[23:00] <riderirc> bingo
[23:00] <fullermd> I suspect it's lost in the mists of time and compatibility by now, though.
[23:01] <mgrandi> wait, so someone copied the repo to another folder?
[23:01] <riderirc> looks like they pivoted the /root/ww directory out
[23:01] <mgrandi> (and git -p is basically doing a magical shelve -> unshelve thing after commit anyway behind the scenes)
[23:01] <riderirc> that's what happens when you let monkeys in the kitchen
[23:01] <mgrandi> so does that repo work?
[23:01] <mgrandi> as in bzr check doesn't complain? =P
[23:03] <mgrandi> cause i can't find an easy way to insert that revision into the pack file, bzrlib is big =P
[23:03] <riderirc> hmmm
[23:03] <riderirc> bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///root/oldww/ww/.bzr/checkout/".
[23:03] <riderirc> so, it's rather messed up looking
[23:04] <mgrandi> think you can just run 'bzr checkout'
[23:04] <mgrandi> it has the history but no actual checkout
[23:05] <fullermd> If you can get it working in another branch, you could just pull both into the same repository.  Or possibly use 'reconcile'.
[23:05] <mgrandi> unrelated: commit.Commit().commit()
[23:05] <mgrandi> lolol
[23:05] <riderirc> but it's not a branch, so I can't perform a checkout
[23:05] <riderirc> it's evidently a repository
[23:06] <mgrandi> well create a directory, run 'bzr branch <repo_folder>'
[23:07] <fullermd> Can't branch a repo.
[23:07] <fullermd> But you can 'init' an empty branch in it, and then 'pull' a revid you know is in the repo into it.  Creepy, but valid.
[23:07] <mgrandi> wait so its just a repo with no branches in it?
[23:08] <riderirc> yes, some bozo evidently moved out the .bzr repository directory
[23:08] <fullermd> Even betterer and creepier, you might could 'branch' the b0rked branch into that repo, and assuming it has all the revs the b0rked one is missing, it would cleanly pull in all the new ones, and leave you with a full history.
[23:10] <riderirc> the worst thing is that there are some large files that were checked in, so bzr check takes ages to run.  I'll fiddle with it a little bit.   At least I have a better idea of what's going on.
[23:10] <riderirc> Are you guys on regularly?
[23:10] <fullermd> On?  Pretty much always.  Responsive?  That varies a lot...
[23:11] <mgrandi> wait cna you not list the branches that are in a repo if it has no active branches?
[23:11] <fullermd> ML might be a better option, especially with stuff like this that has a lot of state to communicate.
[23:11] <fullermd> List branches with no branches?  Stop smoking coffee grounds   ;p
[23:11] <fullermd> You can list heads, anyway.
[23:12] <mgrandi> yeah
[23:12] <mgrandi> run 'bzr heads --all'
[23:12] <riderirc> I may be back with another question about a damaged branch that 'bzr split' exploded
[23:12] <mgrandi> that lists all the heads, and then you can branch one of those right?
[23:13] <fullermd> Not sure.  You can certainly init an empty branch and pull it.  Dunno whether you can branch it from an empty.
[23:13] <riderirc> there is no bzr heads unless that's a plugin
[23:13] <fullermd> It's in bzrtools
[23:14] <riderirc> that sounds familiar
[23:14] <mgrandi> might be a separate package, but its included in every install i've done
[23:15] <mgrandi> but yeah, you can create a folder, 'bzr init .' to init an empty branch, then 'bzr pull -r <REVISION_ID>' and it will basically recreate the branch
[23:15] <mgrandi> and you get revision_id from 'bzr heads --all', cause it wont list dead branches by default
[23:16] <mgrandi> and then once you do fix it, be sure to 'bzr branch' it to somewhere else so this doesn't happen again lol
[23:17] <riderirc> bzr heads is doing something; we'll see what it spits out.
[23:26] <riderirc> well, it's too slow; I'll check on it tomorrow morning.
[23:26] <riderirc> Thanks again for the help...
[23:29] <mgrandi> ok, good luck, post on the ML if you have more questions


[07:55] <dholbach> good morning
[16:25] <WeeirdSQLHosting> Hello
[16:25] <cjohnston> hello
[16:26] <WeeirdSQLHosting> are you from ubu?
[16:26] <cjohnston> I am part of the commiunity..
[16:26] <cjohnston> I muist go thoug
[16:26] <WeeirdSQLHosting> ;p
[16:27] <WeeirdSQLHosting> for the one who can give me the answer, why doesnt ubuntu server supports raid5? we get errors all the time so we have to use centos
[16:28] <WeeirdSQLHosting> also an unix distro
[17:54] <cjohnston> dholbach: hey!
[17:56] <dholbach> hey


[03:57] <ptl> why in ubuntu nexus7, after a couple minutes, touching the screen with the stylus stop meaning left-click and seems to mean right-click?
[04:04] <achiang> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/1068994
[04:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1068994 in ubuntu-nexus7 "button1 gets stuck after a while" [Critical,Confirmed]
[04:04] <achiang> ptl: ^^
[04:08] <ptl> thanks
[04:08] <ptl> :)
[08:00] <dholbach> good morning
[09:14] <sveinse> It seems oprofile is not available in precise. Anyone knows why?
[09:15] <dholbach> sveinse, it looks like we did what Debian did a t the time: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=653168
[09:15] <ubot2`> Debian bug 653168 in ftp.debian.org "RM: oprofile - unmaintained, replacements exist, buggy, low popcon" [Normal,Open]
[09:16] <dholbach> and it's just available in squeeze and not any time after that: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=oprofile
[09:17] <raster> hmm i cant find any kernel config for usbnet gadget support
[09:17] <raster> it'd be awesomeness++ to have on my n7... :)
[09:34] <kinglui> Hi, a question regarding nexus7 and USB-OTG: I am using a device with a broken touch screen as a 24/7 server "nailed to the wall". Continous power supply via external contacts and attached to various USB devices via USB-OTG -> USB-HUB (externally powered, 4A ) -> network, keyboard, mouse, etc.
[09:34] <kinglui> Every 12-24h USB-OTG  shuts down all connections. dmesg: "battery_callback  usb_cable_state = 0 .. " I have to remove the USB-OTG cable and to plug it again to get the connections up. Any way (eg. kernel-parameter) known, to let tegra-otg stay in HOST-mode?


[05:42] <jose__> HOLA
[14:26] <Riot_Mint> motd
[14:49] <maxi_> hi
[19:12] <sbabozz> ok so i'm creating a shared folder with permissive permissions in /
[19:13] <sbabozz> Im just confused about who i should make the owner of that folder
[19:13] <sbabozz> Does it matter?
[19:13] <sbabozz> I was thinkingof root (like all the others in /)  but I dont like the idea of setting a precedent where other users can get into root's stuff..
[19:17] <sbabozz> Also (other question) I would like to know why Snap installs don't work (they get installed, but apps don't launch)
[19:19] <wxl> @teward: do acl's care about ownership?
[19:19] <wxl> re: snaps, they work fine. might be a specific snap.
[19:20] <sbabozz> hi :)
[19:20] <sbabozz> (again)
[19:20] <sbabozz> are you the official coordinator of this channel?
[19:20] <wxl> no
[19:21] <wxl> well
[19:21] <wxl> maybe
[19:22] <Bruh> hello
[19:23] <sbabozz> can you kick people out?
[19:24] <sbabozz> (i guess that's the power of the coordinator)
[19:24] <Guest95822> hi
[19:25] <wxl> never had to do it
[19:26] <Guest95822> uhh
[19:26] <sbabozz> do you think it matters who is the owner of the folder?
[19:26] <sbabozz> also what was that /tmp method you talked about yesterday
[19:27] <wxl> no idea
[19:27] <sbabozz> which question?
[19:27] <Guest95822> can you uhhhh help?
[19:27] <sbabozz> Guest95822: just shoot your question
[19:28] <Guest95822> aight
[19:28] <Guest95822> I'm downloading lubuntu and I'm stuck at partitions
[19:28] <Guest95822> the partitions are correct but I'm not allowed to hit next
[19:28] <Guest95822> help
[19:30] <sbabozz> Guest95822: are you downloading or installing?
[19:30] <Guest95822> I have lubuntu on a flash drive and I'm installing it onto my computers drive
[19:30] <Guest95822> install
[19:31] <sbabozz> That's strange... I never had problems with the installation... I would quit that installation and restart a new one...
[19:32] <Guest95822> alright
[19:32] <Guest95822> brb I guess
[19:32] <sbabozz> Also check that your install media is 100% good
 do you have a swap partition in the drive you want to install?
[19:37] <sbabozz> wxl: you said something like the easiest way (for quick transfers of files between local users) might have been with /tmp
[19:39] <wxl> sbabozz: /tmp is a "temporary" storage open to all
[19:40] <wxl> emphasis on temporary
 it goes away on reboot
[19:40] <sbabozz> so say if guest puts something there, then guest logs out, then another user logs in, he will find that file in /tmp?
[19:41] <sbabozz> (without rebooting machine)
[19:42] <ahhhhh> back
[19:43] <ahhhhh> next is still greyed out
[19:43] <wxl> sbabozz: https://serverfault.com/questions/455219/how-long-do-uploaded-files-stay-in-the-tmp-folder-in-linux-ubuntu
[19:43] <wxl> ahhhhh: did you check the hashes of the iso and the disk for defects at boot?
[19:44] <ahhhhh> how do I do that?
[19:44] <wxl> you follow the manual :)
[19:44] <wxl> manual.lubuntu.me
[19:45] <ahhhhh> jeeeez
 wxl: maybe is the thing with swap partitions
[19:45] <teward> wxl: in what context
[19:45] <teward> sorry i was in a meeting
[19:45] <teward> wxl: ACLs are more 'extended permissions' and can *override* standard chmod effectiveness
[19:46] <wxl> sbabozz: ^ i.e. the owner of your shared folder won't matter
[19:46] <teward> so if I have a default owner of root, but an ACL for u::rwx the *effective* ACL for any user is read/write/execute-traverse
[19:46] <teward> but it can get janky sometimes with LOTS of rules
[19:46] <sbabozz> can the owner be a non-existing user?
[19:47] <sbabozz> i mean is this possible?
[19:47] <teward> no
[19:47] <teward> owner has to exist
[19:47] <teward> even if owner is root
[19:47] <teward> which is fine
[19:48] <wxl> owner could be nobody?
[19:48] <sbabozz> ahhhhh: when you start install media there is an option like "Check for defects"
[19:48] <wxl> ^ that's part 2/2
[19:50] <teward> wxl: that too
[19:50] <sbabozz> teward: so is this wrong thinking-> I dont like the idea of setting a precedent where other users can get into root's stuff
[19:50] <teward> sbabozz: so set it to nobody:nogroup
[19:50] <teward> then provide per group / per user ACLs independently
[19:50] <teward> but note that ACLs can be *very* tricky sometimes and can break things if you aren't careful
[19:53] <sbabozz> what i do is just create a folder in / (using pcmanfm-root) then set the owner to "nobody" and allow all permissions to access, read and modify... CORRECT?
[19:55] <sbabozz> (I do sudo pcmanfm)
[19:59] <sbabozz> If i remember correctly the guest user has a very limited disk space. How to change it? (the default disk space given to guest)
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> helo
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> how do
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> I got past the partition part
[20:01] <ahhhhhhhh> but there is another error
[20:02] <wxl> did you check the hashes of your iso?
[20:02] <ahhhhhhhh> I checked the disc is the hashes thing in the manual as well?
[20:02] <wxl> yep
[20:02] <ahhhhhhhh> brbrbr
[20:02] <ahhhhhhhh> which chapter
[20:03] <sbabozz> md5sum
[20:03] <sbabozz> in the terminal you write md5sum [name of file]
[20:04] <sbabozz> then that string has to match perfectly the official md5sum
[20:05] <sbabozz> in the terminal you first need to go to the folder where the iso file is
[20:05] <sbabozz> and then you write md5sum [name of file] and then press enter
[20:05] <sbabozz> this will give you the md5sum string of the downloaded file
[20:06] <sbabozz> if it matches the official, then you're good
[20:07] <sbabozz> wxl: am i giving good support? :)
[20:08] <wxl> sbabozz: looks good to me.
[20:08] <sbabozz> ahhhhhhhh: are you still here?
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> yes
[20:08] <sbabozz> did you understand?
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> I didn't even know you were talkin to me
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> so do mdmsum
[20:08] <sbabozz> md5sum
[20:08] <ahhhhhhhh> how do I find the official?
[20:09] <sbabozz> sounds complicated, but it's actually very easy
[20:09] <ahhhhhhhh> I used linuxpendrive to make my usb bootable so I don't really have the iso anymore
[20:10] <sbabozz> https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum/Hash
[20:10] <ahhhhhhhh> is there a way I can do the mdmdm6msum
[20:10] <ahhhhhhhh> on windows?
[20:10] <ahhhhhhhh> I have the iso on there
[20:10] <wxl> sbabozz: you might want to provide the standard ubuntu.com links rather than the language specific ones
[20:10] <wxl> ahhhhhhhh: there are programs to do it but i can't recommend a particular one
[20:13] <ahhhhhhhh> File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/unpackfs/main.py", line 340, in run     return unpackop.run()    File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/unpackfs/main.py", line 224, in run     error_msg = self.unpack_image(entry, imgmountdir)    File "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/calamares/modules/unpackfs/main.py", line 270, in unpack_image     return file_copy(imgmountdir, entry.destination, progress_cb)    File "/usr/
[20:13] <ahhhhhhhh> those are the errors
[20:14] <wxl> there should be a log in home somewhere. could you pastebin that?
[20:14] <ahhhhhhhh> waht
[20:16] <wxl> pastebinit $HOME/.cache/Calamares/session.log
[20:16] <wxl> give me the result
[20:17] <ahhhhhhhh> pastebinit $HOME/.cache/Calamares/session.log
[20:17] <ahhhhhhhh> oops
[20:18] <ahhhhhhhh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TfjZMKfKMS/
[20:19] <wxl> wow that is a mess of partitions
[20:20] <ahhhhhhhh> yeah It worked maybe I guess but not
[20:22] <wxl> what are you trying to accomplish here?
[20:24] <ahhhhhhhh> Uh I really don't know
[20:24] <sbabozz> sorry for the language, but the italian page is better (you can see all the md5sums in one page)
[20:24] <wxl> you appear to have two drives?
[20:24] <ahhhhhhhh> uhhhh
[20:24] <ahhhhhhhh> no
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> I see waht I did and I'm tryna fix it bro
[20:25] <wxl> 2019-06-18 - 19:50:53 [6]: "/dev/mmcblk0"<PHONE_NUMBER>0 "MMC BJNB4R" "MMC BJNB4R – 29.12 GiB (/dev/mmcblk0)"
[20:25] <wxl> 2019-06-18 - 19:50:53 [6]: "/dev/sda"<PHONE_NUMBER>0 "Lexar USB Flash Drive" "Lexar USB Flash Drive – 14.90 GiB (/dev/sda)"
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> flash drive
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> yup
[20:25] <wxl> you're trying to install to the ~30g hard drive?
[20:25] <ahhhhhhhh> yes
 Fwd from Lubuntu Announcements: Goodbye forever, i386 … Packages will no longer be built for i386 in Ubuntu. See our Discourse post for more information: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/goodbye-forever-i386/108 … The original announcement about dropping i386 this past December, as nobody stepped up to help test: https://lubuntu.me
[20:26] <ahhhhhhhh> he installer failed to resize partition /dev/mmcblk0p2 on disk 'MMC BJNB4R'. [20:26] <ahhhhhhhh> different erroror
[20:26] <sbabozz> teward: do you confirm this -> what i do is just create a folder in / (using pcmanfm-root) then set the owner to "nobody" and allow all permissions to access, read and modify... CORRECT?
[20:27] <sbabozz> Just want to be sure that I will not break my system right... :)
[20:27] <wxl> yep
[20:27] <wxl> because it's mounted
[20:27] <wxl> 2019-06-18 - 15:50:55 [6]: .. contains mounted "/dev/mmcblk0p2"
[20:28] <ahhhhhhhh> it might be working
[20:28] <wxl> you should make sure everything's unmounted
[20:28] <ahhhhhhhh> the partitions were very messed up because I don't know how to do that
[20:29] <wxl> why don't you just erase the entire disk?
[20:30] <wxl> bbl
[20:30] <teward> sbabozz: in theory, yes.
[20:30] <teward> in practice i'd use ACLs to also control defaults on created files
[20:30] <sbabozz> in theory?
[20:30] <teward> but start with your part first
[20:30] <teward> and stop pinging me i'm busy at work :p
[20:30] <sbabozz> you mean i could break my system?
[20:31] <teward> sbabozz: no
[20:31] <teward> break your system, no
[20:31] <teward> make it so if i create a file someone else can't edit it, yes.
[20:31] <sbabozz> sorry
[20:31] <teward> create a file in that directory space*
[20:31] <ahhhhhhhh> hey wxl should I use swap since I only have 4gb of ram?
[20:32] <teward> sbabozz: not your fault, i'm just very busy right now i think i broke email at work xD
[20:32] <teward> so i have to fix it
[20:33] <sbabozz> ok, thanks
[20:34] <sbabozz> good luck
[20:35] <sbabozz> wxl: how do i change the default disk space given to guest user?
[20:36] <sbabozz> I don't understand why they made it so little...
[20:38] <sbabozz> With almost 300 GB free, guest doesn't even have 500MB
[20:38] <sbabozz> We gotta be nice to our guests... :)
[20:38] <teward> and i did break mail
[20:38]  * teward fixed it
[20:39] <sbabozz> fixed it?
[20:39] <teward> sbabozz: the 'guest account' is ephemeral.  It doesn't 'store' data outside a tmpfs typically
[20:39] <teward> so if you give it space it won't matter every time its logged off it'll blast the data away
[20:39] <sbabozz> Yes but say the guest user wants to download a movie and watch it, he can't do it with so little space...
[20:40] <teward> guest user should be streaming the movie not downloading then watching
[20:40] <sbabozz> you need good connection to stream
[20:40] <teward> need good connection to download too :p
[20:40] <teward> which means if the connection is bad it's a 'moot point'
[20:40] <sbabozz> yes but that won't be a problem when you watch it
[20:40] <teward> and yes i fixed workplace email
[20:40] <teward> it was my fault
[20:41] <sbabozz> good, so you can help me :)
[20:42] <teward> not when it comes to the guest account
[20:42] <sbabozz> I mean when the connection is bad, downloading will be slow, but after you'll be able to watch the movie alright...
[20:42] <sbabozz> streaming won't work
[20:42] <sbabozz> well
[20:42] <teward> well I can't help you with the guest account part anyways
[20:42] <teward> not becuase i don't agree
[20:42] <teward> but because I don't know enough about that aspect
[20:42] <teward> since it's pretty hardly jailed
[20:42] <teward> @tsimonq2 might be able to help
[20:42] <teward> :p
[20:43] <sbabozz> you know more than me, so i grant you permission to help me anyways :)
[20:44] <sbabozz> I won't hold you responsible...
[20:44] <sbabozz> unless you break my system of course... :)
[20:45] <sbabozz> It's crazy with 300 GB free, to not even give guest 500MB, don't you think?
[20:46] <sbabozz> Whoever made that decision, owes a serious explanation...
 Which version of Lubuntu?
 Guest support is absolutely 100% on my radar, fwiw.
[20:48] <sbabozz> 18.04
[20:48] <sbabozz> fwiw?
[20:49] <sbabozz> For What It's Worth?
[20:49] <sbabozz> it's worth for me...
[20:50] <sbabozz> I want to change disk space for guest to 3GB
[20:50] <sbabozz> at least 1% of free disk space...
[20:52] <sbabozz> lubot: you don't look like a bot
[20:53] <sbabozz> tsimonq2: are you here?
[20:55] <sbabozz> I found this
[20:55] <sbabozz> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1006781/how-to-increase-allowed-disk-space-for-guest-account
[20:56] <sbabozz> but no solution...
[20:59] <sbabozz> I gotta close soon... But will check the channel logs later if anybody wants to answer...
[21:00] <sbabozz> Thanks to all
[21:00] <sbabozz> :)


[00:45] <genii-around> Meh. the "no one is paying attention to me so I'll threaten to install windows" people really irk me for some reason
[00:45] <jrib> genii-around: yeah...
[00:45] <rww> my stock response is "okay, have fun"
[00:46] <bazhang> he was given a quite comprehensive guide on command line wifi connection
[00:46] <jrib> yeah, sometimes I'll just tell them no one cares what they install, use what works, but if you want help with ubuntu then stick to the discussion of support
[00:46] <gpc> I was tempted to ask how he connects to wifi in command console in windows
[00:46] <genii-around> rww: Probably for the best
[00:46] <bazhang> he could read it, ask questions from it; it doesnt make sense to paste the guide into the channel
[00:48] <genii-around> No one wants to put any work into anything, I think is the main problem. It all has to be easy and someone else does all the work for them.
[00:48] <gpc> what distro does that?
[00:48] <gpc> I want to switch
[00:48] <genii-around> gpc: Hehe, me too!
[00:48] <genii-around> Anyhow I'll stop complaining now
[00:49] <gpc> genii-around: only problem is now I have this logo tattooed on my arm
[00:49] <rww> if their Ubuntu experience is worse than their Windows experience, and they don't have Free software ideology (and most don't in #ubuntu), the only reasonable thing to do is to switch back :\
[00:49] <bazhang> its doubtful they switched in the first place. so not much of a switch "back" needed.
[00:50] <rww> Personally, Windows 7 hates my wifi card, and previous versions need a driver disk for it, whereas Linux has it in-kernel. So...
[00:50] <jrib> genii-around: I like to believe there once was a time when that was not true and I feel that way only because I am getting older, but I fear it's always been that way :/
[00:51] <genii-around> One of the things I like most about the linux mentality is that the more work you're willing to put in, the more rewarding it is
[00:51] <bazhang> that's more the hard work pays off mentality
[01:38] <KB1JWQ> rww: Idoru got him.
[01:38] <bazhang> yes
[01:42] <rww> It's one of those days. I'm going to go read, have fun!
[01:44] <bazhang> what shell are maffw and prolix using?
[01:44] <rww> the one that's listed in their gateway cloak...
[01:45] <bazhang> they both seem to be causing issues
[01:45] <Pici> They're both on the same shell :/
[01:45] <Pici> or shell provider rather
 minimec: my son say i should "are m are f forward slash" , what is that
[01:46] <bazhang> yet he claims to be new to ubuntu
[01:53] <gpc> nice family, the son tells the dad to destroy his install
[01:53] <genii-around> heh!
[01:54] <Jordan_U> Even if they genuinely didn't genuinely know what that meant there is no reason to spell out "are". My guess is troll.
[01:54] <bazhang> yep
[01:55] <bazhang> maffw is giving very odd, evasive answers
[01:55] <bazhang> heh centos
 i called my son and he say i should compile my colonel
[01:59] <Jordan_U> bazhang: From the little I've seen after joining #centos I believe they probably did send him.
[02:00] <bazhang> Jordan_U, still dont see the connection to ubuntu
[02:00] <Jordan_U> I need to leave, but could someone join #centos and confirm / ask them not to do it again.
[02:11] <gpc> evening AlanBell
[02:34] <gpc> Jubelperser is Hoober?
[02:34] <gpc> seems like it
[02:35] <bazhang> doubt it
[02:36] <rww> just the #ubuntu-offtopic oddmagnet at work again, I think
[02:41] <rww> what does "I s n ur lrk" mean
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> rww: I believe it's "I is in your lurk"
[02:42] <tonyyarusso> Which *almost* makes sense.
[02:42] <bazhang> its creepy
[02:42] <rww> im in ur lurk, bein forcibly evicted from ur channelz
[02:43] <hypatia> i couldn't figure out, was he calling me a lesbian, threatening me, or just being obtuse?
[02:43] <hypatia> all of the above?
[02:43] <hypatia> lol.
[02:44] <bazhang> who cares. his last several statements were disturbing
[02:45] <rww> I do. I pride myself on my ability to translate gibberish.
[02:45] <bazhang> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel
[02:48] <rww> Even Hitler doesn't like Plymouth, I guess.
[03:38] <rww> heh. FloodBot lied and said it quieted me.
[03:38] <bazhang> hehe
[03:39] <rww> I didn't know it PMed.  If you don't have an issue with them being here, then /don't bring it up/ ;P
[06:45] <elky> I find it strange we tend to be nicer about it to complete randoms :(
[06:46] <gpc> I wasn't nice?
[06:47] <rww> You applied a silly policy to remove someone from the room that wasn't doing any harm. The point could be made...
[06:47] <gpc> the policy as I understand it has nothing to do with harm being done
[06:47] <gpc> it has to do with right to be idle in the channel.
[06:48] <rww> which is a silly concept, for various reasons that have been debated ad nauseum without any result in the past :(
[06:49] <gpc> I don't agree with all the rules but I try to apply them fairly to everybody. Troll or person I consider to be a friend.
[06:50] <rww> I apply the rules equally to every one. In this case, I've gone 2.5 months without asking someone to leave #ubuntu-ops, and intend to continue.
[06:50] <gpc> hmm
[06:51] <rww> 2.5 months being the length of time since I started opping ;P
[06:52] <rww> which reminds me, I'm running out of time to do something catastrophically evil that'll get me deopped and save my sanity.
[06:53] <rww> (yes, I have replaced the irritating jokes about getting kicked out of #u-ot with irritating jokes about that. sorry.)
[06:55] <rww> I'm now imagining what #freenode would be like if it was closer to 24/7 op coverage but people weren't allowed to idle there because they might $insert_reasons_for_idle_policy.
[06:57] <KB1JWQ> What I've seen in other op channels is that when you have people idling they start giving play by plays to uninvolved parties.
[06:58] <rww> If they're disrupting the point of the channel, kick them out, just like any other channel...
[06:59] <elky> KB1JWQ, yep, thats why we have our idle policy, so that our reactions to trollfloods weren't cut off by the trollmasters
[06:59] <KB1JWQ> Bingo.
[07:00] <rww> ah, you mean play-by-plays outside of the channel. I thought you meant metadiscussion while people were trying to resolve bans or something.
[07:01] <elky> yes. the logs are there for people who think they need to know what's happening in here. we used to have issues where botmasters would come in here and control their bots while getting bonus kicks by seeing us try stop them and "preempting" our efforts.
[07:03] <rww> perhaps I'm selectively forgetting incidents by accident, but I don't remember the last botflood in #ubuntu that required coordination in here that would be damaged by reducing the log delay from an average of 30 minutes to 0.
[07:05] <elky> rww, this was back before ipv6 was available in large blocks by HE
[07:06] <elky> the main thing was that people in here would check to see when we weren't responding to a decoy incident, and use that as the trigger to unleash the hounds.
[07:06] <elky> So all those 10 minutes without ! o p s being answered? bot/troll floods.
[07:07] <rww> Surely they'd know whether you're responding or not by whether you do anything or not in #ubuntu?
[07:07] <KB1JWQ> Not always.
[07:07] <elky> not really
[07:08] <elky> "incident" is as broad as walking the line & seeing us discuss whether to ban
[07:08] <elky> so all your ryaxnb discussions that didn't show signs in -ot or #u
[07:09] <rww> would be exactly the same, because I am very much aware that he can read the public log files.
[07:10] <rww> heck, having ryaxnb in here so I could poke him outside the main channel but not in PM (he's not reasonable in PM at all) might have actually helped matters.
[07:11] <elky> not quite. you have the lul being 30 minutes. He can't react to a 10minute silence that corresponds directly to an incident if that was 30 minutes ago and you're back from your pee break.
[07:12] <rww> except that idle times are publicly visible through /whois, and we're getting a lot better about having operator coverage all the time
[07:13] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I figured I'd volunteer during the next recruitment drive on ubuntu-irc@
[07:18] <genii-around> moth_woman in #u, I'm too tired tho
[07:18] <KB1JWQ> Someone want to handle moth_woman?
[07:18] <KB1JWQ> I can if you'd like, but figured I'd get someone nicer. :-p
[07:18]  * genii-around slides Mamarok a tea
[07:22] <Jordan_U> @mark moth_woman
[07:22] <Jordan_U> @mark #ubuntu moth_woman
[07:22] <KB1JWQ> How does mark work?
[07:22] <rww> @help mark
[07:22] <Jordan_U> Now I need to figure out how to remove the first @mark that I messed up...
[07:23] <rww> Jordan_U: I don't think you can.
[07:23] <Flannel> You can't
[07:23] <Flannel> Just ignore it.  Go into BT and comment "ignore this" or whatnot.
[07:23] <Flannel> (that'll mean people won't read the log about it when perusing later)
[07:23] <KB1JWQ> Someone want to gently redirect livingdaylight in #ubuntu?
[07:27] <KB1JWQ> rww: Thanks for that.
 Type !d2nt To Download Diablo 2 D2nt3.42 Mf Bot
[11:51] <bazhang> it prompts a dcc transfer
[15:12]  * popey saw this and thought of nixternal http://www.boingboing.net/2011/02/03/bike-weather-in-milw.html
[16:22] <nixternal> popey: we got way more snow than milwaukee here in chicago though. our streets are clean now, but there was no way to ride 2 days ago
[18:42] <Pici> ...
[21:52] <rww> Can someone change alpha 1 to alpha 2 in the /topic of #ubuntu+1, please?
[21:53] <rww> (there are two occurances of it. one URL, and the text next to it)
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> awww, too bad topics can't use ubottu variables
[21:55]  * rww voluntells tonyyarusso to change it ;P
[21:56] <gpc> rww good?
[21:56] <rww> nvm, gpc is speedy :)
[21:56] <rww> yes, thanks
[21:56] <gpc> no problem
[22:01] <charlie-tca> um, we didn't actually announce it yet
[22:01] <tonyyarusso> ha
[22:01] <gpc> rww: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[22:02] <rww> I was lied to by a user! D:
[22:02] <charlie-tca> the only announcement was was by OMG! Ubuntu
[22:02] <rww> gpc: now set it back again and lart jeffwheeler!
[22:02] <charlie-tca> It willl be out within an hour or so, though
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> rww: wait, wait, you believed a USER?    Long on exclamations, short on facts.
[22:05] <Jordan_U> Seriously, OMG.
[22:05] <gord> every time anyone mentions omg, [citation needed] them, seriously
[22:06] <rww> gord: [citation needed]
[22:06] <tonyyarusso> :)
[22:08] <rww> Time for another round of "magicianlord asks basic questions about the release times and stability of Debian and Ubuntu!", I guess.
[22:10] <charlie-tca> does he have to do that every day or two?
[22:10] <gpc> yes
[22:10] <rww> If he repeatedly talks about things, it makes them faster.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:11] <rww> This is why his other favorite topic is long circular conversations about the huge speed increases he gets from noatime.
[22:29]  * charlie-tca whispers - do I dare say "It officially released"
[22:30] <Pici> you may
[22:31] <charlie-tca> Natty Alpha2 officially released - Please see the notes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[22:31] <Pici> rww: we typically wait until the release manager gives us the go-ahead, or the email to devel-announce goes out.
[22:32] <rww> I don't see an email on ubuntu-devel-announce. This is obviously a huge conspiracy!
[22:33] <charlie-tca> That is where I got it. Let me get the reference
[22:35] <charlie-tca> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-February/032403.html
[22:35] <charlie-tca> but, rww is right, Even though it went to it, it is not an ubuntu-devel-announce yet
[22:40] <nhandler> Most likely stuck in the moderation queue
[22:46] <maco> "here russian? russian?" "bulgarian!"