[05:07] <karlgrz> Hey all, I'm trying to get a Presonus Firestudio Project hooked up to a toshiba satellite running fresh install of Ubuntu Desktop 13.10.
[05:07] <cfhowlett> karlgrz, so NOT ubuntustudio?
[05:08] <karlgrz> Heh, correct.
[05:08] <karlgrz> Is there another forum for that?
[05:08] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu but stay here for now
[05:08] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu
[05:08] <karlgrz> Coolk
[05:08] <karlgrz> *cool
[05:09] <karlgrz> So, the light is still red.
[05:09] <cfhowlett> anyway, surprised the presonus doesn't pnp - the 1Box worked out of the box
[05:09] <karlgrz> When I fire up ardour, it doesn't see it.
[05:09] <karlgrz> Do I need to open a JACK gui?
[05:09] <karlgrz> Is that where the interface gets selected?
[05:09] <cfhowlett> I've not used the device, so I'm on shakey ground here.  Red light means ... what?
[05:10] <karlgrz> Right, it usually is blue on Windows when it is connected properly.
[05:10] <cfhowlett> karlgrz, ah.  so it has power but isn't connecting then?
[05:11] <karlgrz> I'm coming from Cubase 5 on WIndows 7. I'm very comfortable with building drivers and what not if needed, I'm software engineer. Correct.
[05:11] <cfhowlett> karlgrz, since no one with actual experience with your device is present, suggest you check in to  #opensourcemusician
[05:11] <karlgrz> When I plug it in I don't see a toast or anything to indicate ubuntu sees it.
[05:11] <karlgrz> Cool, thanks!
[05:11] <cfhowlett> karlgrz, best of luck
[10:12] <yeyeman> looking for synth software
[10:12] <yeyeman> modular synths
[10:13] <yeyeman> or anything to make my own sounds and sound effects
[10:13] <yeyeman> I really liked propellerhead Reason
[10:35] <studio-newbie> 'llo v'rybody ! :)
[10:36] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, greetings
[10:37] <studio-newbie> any tricks, while i am unstalling ubuntu, please, or everything is set ?
[10:37] <studio-newbie> pls  ?
[10:37] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, tricks?  like?
[10:38] <studio-newbie> i dont no, tweaking, cheat codes, geek s stuff
[10:38] <studio-newbie> lol
[10:38] <studio-newbie> god mode or so
[10:38] <cfhowlett> Newb?  nah, take the defaults, learn your way around.  come back to this question in a few months
[10:38] <studio-newbie> do u use studio 3 long ?
[10:38] <cfhowlett> since the first edition
[10:39] <studio-newbie> really
[10:39] <studio-newbie> i no a ltl knoppix
[10:39] <cfhowlett> what is your art focus?
[10:40] <studio-newbie> actually am singer but i like goa transe, i want 2 try to compose
[10:40] <studio-newbie> but i start from 0 pointed... lol
[10:40] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, lots of composer tools in US
[10:41] <studio-newbie> yes ! u should say evrything i s therre apparently
[10:41] <studio-newbie> soe newbie tuto about electronic music , maybe ?
[10:41] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, the distro is still a bit weighted towards music production
[10:42] <studio-newbie> i dont understand ( sorry, am fr. lol)
[10:42] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, install, play and you'll see.
[10:43] <studio-newbie> u mean there is a lot or that its more for video  ?
[10:43] <studio-newbie> i looked for musical distro and us
[10:43] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, originally, most tools were for music.  Now, music, graphics, publishing,
[10:43] <studio-newbie> founded us
[10:43] <studio-newbie> ok
[10:44] <studio-newbie> well, install gettin over, ll found out soon. any tuto or howto 2 advise, pls ?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, use this channel and see the ubuntu studio forums
[10:45] <studio-newbie> i mean, whats the best way to learn apps
[10:45] <studio-newbie> ok
[10:45] <studio-newbie> tx
[10:46] <cfhowlett> have fun, be safe
[10:46] <studio-newbie> same 4 u
[10:46] <studio-newbie> ha, any security tips , leak,
[10:47] <studio-newbie> is firewall on from the start, not like knoppix ?
[10:47] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, no firewall is disabled by default
[10:47] <cfhowlett> !ufw
[10:48] <studio-newbie> so its mean amnaked till the shell is avalable. ok !
[10:48] <studio-newbie> lol
[10:48] <zequence> studio-newbie: Just look for firewall apps in the software center
[10:48] <zequence> There are a few
[10:49] <studio-newbie> ho, i can manage coms lines, with doc
[10:49] <zequence> studio-newbie: try: ufw --help
[10:50] <zequence> or: man ufw
[10:50] <cfhowlett> zequence, any advice on wacom support ... query on the main channel
[10:50] <zequence> cfhowlett: Nope :P
[10:51] <studio-newbie> any idea why progrmers dont switch it on by defaukt ? always wonder...
[10:51] <keyfur> Haha. I'm looking for help installing a driver for my new wacom
[10:51] <keyfur> thank you cfhowlett :)
[10:51] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, probably since the rate of successful attacks on linux is so low and so may new users would totally screw up the FW settings
[10:52] <studio-newbie> FW , pls ?
[10:52] <cfhowlett> firewall
[10:52] <studio-newbie> ha, yes, sorry
[10:52] <studio-newbie> no way to open a shell during install, anyway ?
[10:52] <cfhowlett> keyfur,  this might be it:    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1780154
[10:53] <keyfur> cfhowlett I will look and give it a try...
[10:53] <cfhowlett> studio-newbie, alt-f2
[10:53] <studio-newbie> good luck, key4
[10:53] <studio-newbie> coooool ! tx
[10:53] <studio-newbie> do not work...
[10:54] <zequence> studio-newbie: Ctrl+Alt+F1
[10:54] <zequence> studio-newbie: To get back to graphical login, do: Ctrl+Alt+F7
[10:55] <zequence> ah, but you need to know the username and password
[10:55] <keyfur> cfhowlett I have a USB tablet. That guide appears to be for a serial tablet
[10:55] <zequence> studio-newbie: you're running a live session aren't you? Don't you have a menu to look through?
[10:56] <cfhowlett> keyfur, ah.  true
[11:01] <cfhowlett> keyfur, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
[11:04] <studio-newbie> cfhowlett, tx, even if i spent 5 minutes to find the exit
[11:04] <studio-newbie> lol
[11:04] <studio-newbie> ufw on
[11:04] <studio-newbie> rebotting
[11:04] <studio-newbie> tx 4 help
[11:04] <cfhowlett> come back with music
[11:42] <chrys-studio> cfhowlett , pls ?
[11:43] <chrys-studio> internt problem after installation refused to accept my PW after setting ufw on during install. any 1 can help, pls ?
[11:44] <cfhowlett> chrys-studio, why would you do that?  let it install, reboot, THEN set passwd!
[12:35] <studio-user215> hi again everybody. someone composing psychedelic music could tell a total newbie in this field whic doc i should start with to use the differents sounds generator, how it works, , etc ?
[12:35] <studio-user215> any genral doc about it ?
[12:37] <cfhowlett> studio-user215, ask in #opensourcemusicianns
[12:37] <cfhowlett> #opensourcemusicans
[12:37] <cfhowlett> also see the audio section of this wiki     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Software
[12:37] <studio-user215> ok  ! :)
[12:49] <juanmi513> hi/hola/bonjour?
[12:49] <cfhowlett> greetings bienviendos bonjour
[12:50] <juanmi513> somebody knows how to share a folder with W7, using U-Studio 13 from VM Virtual Box?
[12:51] <juanmi513> i was set this on VB, but i can't find that folder into ubuntu file system (am novice on linux)
[12:51] <cfhowlett> shared folders are a virtualbox setting
[12:51] <juanmi513> yes, it was set
[12:52] <juanmi513> the problem is very simple
[12:52] <juanmi513> i can't found the folder
[12:52] <juanmi513> in linux (u.studio)
[12:53] <juanmi513> have linux or ubuntu a standar dirrectory for this or something?
[12:53] <juanmi513> standard* sorry, am spanish
[12:54] <cfhowlett> you can specify the shared folder but ... it might be that you need the alternate virtualbox program.  never done it myself.  ask in #ubuntu
[12:54] <juanmi513> ok
[12:54] <juanmi513> thnx
[14:28] <wachin> Hi to all Ubuntu-Studio users
[14:30] <wachin> I need a help. Cannot enter on my UbuntuStudio 13.04 session,
[14:31] <wachin> yesterday was the last day I could enter. This has never happened. Well I did an update yesterday and was using Compiz in which I noticed some flaws with some windows facing
[14:31] <wachin> I put my password but not working
[14:32] <wachin> In this moment I using UbuntuStudio 13.10 Live DVD for this entry
[14:33] <holstein> wachin: i would blow out the config in the user that is causing the issue
[14:33] <holstein> wachin: you can test this by using the guest account, or by making a new user
[14:33] <wachin> Hi holstein
[14:34] <wachin> the guest account working fine, but not can enter for my files
[14:34] <holstein> wachin: correct
[14:34] <holstein> wachin: so, since the guest account works, thats supports the theory i have stated
[14:35] <holstein> wachin: your user config has been corrupted (likely from using/configuring compiz) and if you remove those session configs, new ones wil be generated, and all will be well
[14:35] <wachin> holstein how to "i would blow out the config"
[14:35] <holstein> wachin: i start with the session config
[14:35] <holstein> wachin: you can use a live CD to navigate to them
[14:36] <wachin> I will tried but the permissions are market and not know how to change this files
[14:36] <holstein> wachin: they are hidden..
[14:36] <wachin> yes
[14:36] <holstein> wachin: you "change" them as root, from the live CD
[14:36] <wachin> ohhhh
[14:37] <holstein> wachin: OR, login in tty from the broken user
[14:37] <holstein> wachin: or, the reovery console
[14:37] <wachin> never tried it
[14:38] <wachin> I'm taking notes
[14:38] <holstein> wachin: thats why i suggested the live CD, since you are already using it, and it will be a GUI filemanager you are used ot using
[14:38] <holstein> you navigate to the users /home, and use "control+H" to show the hidden directories
[14:39] <wachin> ok
[14:39] <holstein>  ~/.config for example
[14:39] <holstein> thats where i would start
[14:39] <wachin> and delete this
[14:39] <holstein> you can just rename it temporarily and test
[14:39] <wachin> oh
[14:39] <wachin> ok
[14:39] <holstein> wachin: no need to *ever* delete anything like that..
[14:39] <holstein> just rename, and test.. then you can revert if you want
[14:39] <wachin> ok
[14:39] <wachin> great
[14:42] <wachin> By the way, the UbuntuStudio Developers have done a great job with UbuntuStudio 13.10, now you can change the icon theme and the icons are not lost on UbuntuStudio menu (something that happened with UbuntuStudio 13.04)
[14:43] <wachin> Thanks for your work to all UbuntuStudio Developers
[14:46] <wachin> See you later
[14:46] <wachin> thanks holstein
[22:54] <leftist> evening. i lost my audio
[22:55] <leftist> it woas working ok then it started freezing up (sys) and rebooted. now i have unsucessfully restored audio
[22:55] <leftist> any ideas?
[22:55] <holstein> leftist: i would just look for and apply all upgrades, and think about what you were doing to make the system unstable
[22:56] <leftist> well
[22:56] <holstein> leftist: after applying upgrades, reboot and do the normal routine.. aplay -l in the terminal
[22:57] <holstein> try pavucontrol, and alsamixer and dont trust any labels.. make certain the keyboard shorcuts are blocking anything.. state if you are using JACK or not.. if you have added any PPA's.. etc
[22:57] <leftist> ok
[22:59] <leftist> thre used to be an app called journal that was in the older gnome applet panels. i think ayway
[22:59] <leftist> brb let me finish this jupdate
[23:10] <dalkeehon_> hi
[23:10] <dalkeehon_> can anyone gimme a hand with some issues i have=
[23:10] <dalkeehon_> ?
[23:10] <dalkeehon_> please
[23:10] <holstein> dalkeehon_: you'll ask and find out
[23:11] <dalkeehon_> since i've upgraded to 13.10 im having two issues
[23:11] <dalkeehon_> 1 with audio that i semi fixed
[23:11] <dalkeehon_> an another is that i get a few errors when i log in but they might be connected to the audio issue
[23:12] <dalkeehon_> this semi fixed the issue but still i always need to relog once i enter my sesion twice before the audio works http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade
[23:12] <leftist> does your audio work dalkeehon?
[23:12] <leftist> i'm on 13.10 as well
[23:13] <leftist> seems like it's freezing up the system
[23:13] <dalkeehon_> once i did that in the link yes
[23:13] <dalkeehon_> but as i said i need to relog every time
[23:13] <dalkeehon_> so its a semi fix...
[23:13] <dalkeehon_> do you have audio issues aswel?
[23:14] <holstein> dalkeehon_: the link states it as a patch.. so, thats not what the site is saying at all
[23:14] <dalkeehon_> meaning?
[23:14] <holstein> dalkeehon_: when you properly apply the patch, it should fix that issue
[23:15] <holstein> dalkeehon_: you can always test with some other DE, like installing lxde for example
[23:15] <leftist> let me logout
[23:16] <holstein> dalkeehon_: you can also try removing your saved XFCE session
[23:16] <dalkeehon_> what patch? i mean
[23:16] <dalkeehon_> theres no updates or atleast thats what the updater says
[23:17] <holstein> dalkeehon_: the patch you referenced with the link you gave me that you said "semi-fixed" your issue..
[23:17] <dalkeehon_> yeah but
[23:17] <dalkeehon_> that might be another dumb question sorry but
[23:17] <holstein> dalkeehon_: close all package managers.. open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to check for updates
[23:18] <dalkeehon_> ohhh
[23:18] <dalkeehon_> ok
[23:18] <holstein> dalkeehon_: to remove saved xfce sessions http://askubuntu.com/questions/111010/how-do-i-remove-some-sessions-from-the-session-list-in-xubuntu
[23:18] <dalkeehon_> sorry im kinda newb with linux just 1 year beeing fully into this OS
[23:18] <holstein> dalkeehon_: ok.. im about 6 or so years in.. what os are you used to using?
[23:18] <holstein> windows?
[23:19] <dalkeehon_> thanks for the help
[23:19] <dalkeehon_> i was on windows before yes... tried ubuntu 9 years ago but didn't get fully convinced
[23:19] <dalkeehon_> but i must admit that its the best distro so far
[23:19] <dalkeehon_> for my taste nowdays
[23:19] <holstein> "best" is always a matter of opinion and use case
[23:20] <dalkeehon_> i used to be in debian before for 1-2 years
[23:20] <holstein> try and think about how long you used windows before you would have been comfortable troubleshooting audio issues
[23:20] <dalkeehon_> aye...
[23:20] <holstein> also, if you are not planning on using JACK or much of the proaudio stuff, you likely dont need ubuntstudio.. you could just install xubuntu and add what you really need to it
[23:21] <dalkeehon_> windows is way worse than linux belive me
[23:21] <dalkeehon_> im so happy that i escaped from them
[23:21] <dalkeehon_> i use ubuntu studio for audio pruposes
[23:21] <holstein> dalkeehon_: 'worse' is also a matter of opinion
[23:21] <holstein> dalkeehon_: JACK can "break" the audio in the ways you are mentioning above
[23:21] <dalkeehon_> the boot time
[23:21] <dalkeehon_> is not a mater of opinion :P
[23:22] <dalkeehon_> recording rehersals and jack for the guitar seems to work perfectly
[23:22] <holstein> dalkeehon_: i wont discuss, or trash windows here.. you can visit one of the other offtopic channel.. thanks
[23:22] <dalkeehon_> been with ubuntu studio for 1 year and 0 problems but now its just this minor issue
[23:23] <holstein> dalkeehon_: jack for the guitar? you mean, something like rakarrack? with JACK?
[23:23] <dalkeehon_> yup
[23:23] <holstein> dalkeehon_: have you removed the xfce saved sessions and tried re-login?
[23:23] <holstein> or reboot
[23:23] <dalkeehon_> yes
[23:24] <holstein> dalkeehon_: and? whats the issue? what makes sound work? and what makes it break?
[23:25] <dalkeehon_> ok to keep it short, and sorry for the bad english that might lead to not saying what i want to say in the best way
[23:25] <dalkeehon_> when i start the laptop
[23:25] <dalkeehon_> and enter in my sesion
[23:25] <dalkeehon_> theres no audio
[23:25] <holstein> dalkeehon_: and, since then? you have done what i suggested? i say, do that *right* *now* and reboot, and test.. please
[23:26] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/111010/how-do-i-remove-some-sessions-from-the-session-list-in-xubuntu
[23:26] <dalkeehon_> indicator-sound.service
[23:26] <dalkeehon_> mod this? yes
[23:26] <dalkeehon_> i did
[23:26] <dalkeehon_> still the same
[23:26] <holstein> dalkeehon_: read http://askubuntu.com/questions/111010/how-do-i-remove-some-sessions-from-the-session-list-in-xubuntu and remove the saved sessions please
[23:27] <dalkeehon_> that's what i did before coming here, also i've done the other command you told me
[23:28] <holstein> dalkeehon_: what "other command"? you looked for and applied upgrades? with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" ? anything coming in?
[23:28] <dalkeehon_> ok, thanks for the help
[23:28] <dalkeehon_> a 123kb install
[23:29] <dalkeehon_> lib's basically
[23:29] <holstein> !audio
[23:29] <holstein> !proaudio
[23:30] <dalkeehon_> ok brb holstein
[23:33] <dalkeehon> still the same
[23:33] <dalkeehon> meh
[23:33] <dalkeehon> i guess i'll need to learn to live with it, OR downgrade to 13.04 if its safe
[23:33] <dalkeehon> to-do
[23:36] <acmeinc1> Does ubuntu-studio 12.04 use a special version of 'top'?\
[23:36] <holstein> acmeinc1: it'll be repackaged.. but, not "special" that i know of
[23:37] <acmeinc1> ok...the top command is continually crashing xfce, which takes me to the login screen.  ican log back in, then if i run top, it crashes again
[23:39] <holstein> acmeinc1: try top in tty..
[23:41] <dalkeehon> holstein, mind if i take some of your time? (more)
[23:42] <holstein> dalkeehon: there is no "downgrade".. you just reinstall, and its safe, but the support for 13.04 is about over
[23:42] <dalkeehon> the bug id definetly this 1
[23:42] <dalkeehon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[23:42] <holstein> dalkeehon: i agree
[23:43] <holstein> dalkeehon: there is a bug, but, for ubuntustudio, we are really interested in JACK, and this doenst break JACK at all
[23:43] <holstein> dalkeehon: its something that is being worked on upstream AFAIK
[23:43] <dalkeehon> ah what is jack? i tought you were talking me about a jack input
[23:43] <dalkeehon> ...
[23:43] <dalkeehon> im dumb
[23:44] <holstein> dalkeehon: OK.. yeah, if you are not using JACK, the software, and the tools that ubuntustudio comes with, you might prefer just using something like xubuntu
[23:44] <holstein> lubuntu is nice and light if you are trying to avoid main ubuntu, and AFAIK, doesnt have that bug
[23:45] <dalkeehon> i use the tools but i also enjoy beeing able to hear audio without needed to relog every time
[23:45] <holstein> you can always install whatever from the ubuntustuduio packages into whatever ubuntu
[23:45] <holstein> dalkeehon: if you dont use JACK, then i dont think you do use the tools
[23:46] <holstein> dalkeehon: and, i realize you are being affected by a nasty bug, but, if you, at login, will try to start JACK and see if it will start, that might be all you need
[23:46] <dalkeehon> thing is i don't have anything called "jack" plain and simple
[23:47] <holstein> !proaudio
[23:47] <dalkeehon> jack rack and jack keyboard
[23:47] <dalkeehon> is what i have :/
[23:47] <holstein> dalkeehon: you can use qjackctl to configure and start jack
[23:47] <dalkeehon> and i don't want to sound rude but i'm kind of lost
[23:47] <dalkeehon> k thanks
[23:48] <holstein> dalkeehon: i hear you, and im trying to get you to a more popular place, since those issues are not really related to ubuntustudio specifically
[23:48] <holstein> by popular, i mean where more support would be
[23:49] <dalkeehon> k thanks i runed qjackctl
[23:49] <dalkeehon> still no sound tho
[23:49] <holstein> sure, but runing that does nothing
[23:49] <holstein> you have to read the proaudio link, and setup and learn to run JACK
[23:49] <dalkeehon> ok
[23:49] <holstein> its not trivial, and its likely not something you are needing to use
[23:49] <holstein> but, its the centeral thing that ubuntustudio uses
[23:50] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro
[23:50] <dalkeehon> well if you are telling me its a good "must-have" im setting it up...
[23:50] <holstein> dalkeehon: im telling you, if you need it, you need it.. if you dont, its overkill
[23:51] <holstein> dalkeehon: think of it like this.. if you came here and said "i want to edit a few photos" and i suggested a CAD 3d progam, in which you *could* edit a photo.. but it would be overkill
[23:52] <dalkeehon> well its not that i'm not going to use it, i simply didn't knew of that JACK thing untill you named it
[23:52] <dalkeehon> but now im diggin into it for sure ;)
[23:55] <dalkeehon> ok, basically nothing that is related to audio works
[23:55] <dalkeehon> whatever mixer i use etc
[23:55] <dalkeehon> bah, I better don't steal more of your time honestly but i deeply apreciate your time
[23:56] <holstein> dalkeehon: i would try pavucontrol and alsamixer
[23:56] <holstein> dalkeehon: its really this simple, afaik.. something mutes the sound, and makes it challenging to unmute.. but i really dont follow it
[23:56] <holstein> dalkeehon: i use an older version of xfce, and i dont use any applets in ubuntustudio
[23:57] <holstein> last time i tested it, i was told there was a fight about who's "fault" it was.. so i left it alone


[07:29] <mborzecki> morning
[08:51] <mardy> mborzecki: hi!
[08:52] <mborzecki> mardy: hey
[10:09] <mup> PR snapd#11444 opened: cmd: misc analyzer fixes <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11444>
[10:09] <mborzecki> mardy: something simple ^^
[10:24] <mup> PR snapd#11445 opened: asserts: start supporting optional primary keys in fs backend, assemble and signing <authority-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11445>
[10:24] <mup> PR snapd#11446 opened: asserts: extend optional primary keys support to the in-memory backend <authority-delegation> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11446>
[10:24] <zyga[m]> bboozzoo: approved
[10:24] <mborzecki> thx
[10:34] <mup> PR snapd#11430 closed: cmd/snap-mgmt, packaging: trigger daemon reload after purging unit files <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11430>
[10:34] <mup> PR snapd#11438 closed: tests: add test to ensure consecutive refreshes do garbage colleciton of old revs <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11438>
[10:34] <mup> PR snapd#11442 closed: o/snapstate: deal with potentially invalid type of refresh.retain value due to lax validation <Squash-merge> <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11442>
[11:09] <mup> PR snapd#11447 opened: tests: get lxd snap from candidate channel <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11447>
[12:17] <diddledani> amurray: this broke my container image (diddledan/snapcraft) c6011693a816f7f8a5b0c7858ddce91c6ef1a352
[12:17] <diddledani> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/commit/c6011693a816f7f8a5b0c7858ddce91c6ef1a352
[12:18] <diddledani> fails with: `aa_is_enabled() failed unexpectedly (No such file or directory): No such file or directory`
[12:19] <diddledani> this is my snapcraft container image https://github.com/diddlesnaps/snapcraft-container
[12:37] <ijohnson[m]> diddledani: what is aa_is_enabled returning in your container?
[12:38] <diddledani> do you mean the C function or the executable `aa-enabled`? for the latter it shows `Maybe - policy interface not available.`
[12:39] <diddledani> for the C function, presumably it's returning ENOENT considering the error message from snap-confine
[12:40] <diddledani> ENOENT used to be explicitly handled, now it's a fallthrough to DIEDIEDIE https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/commit/c6011693a816f7f8a5b0c7858ddce91c6ef1a352#diff-850ad7658ba4087a28a764d6a46b74640a2fd43be09f246dabea20dd0f2a16daL56-L59
[12:44] <ijohnson[m]> hmm that commit was needed to resolve a CVE so we can't just revert that commit
[12:54] <amurray> diddledani: is securityfs mounted inside the container?
[12:54] <diddledani> I don't believe it is.. it's not in /proc/mounts
[12:55] <amurray> argh, sorry I gotta run - will check scrollback in the morning - otherwise perhaps we can just add back the ENOENT bit... I recall I thought I had a good reason for making that DIEDIEDIE but I can't recall why off the top of my head...
[12:55] <diddledani> is there a systemd unit that I need to enable to handle that?
[12:56] <diddledani> yeah, if there's a CVE then obviously I don't want you to potentially reintroduce it
[12:56] <diddledani> s/it/a vuln/
[12:56] <ijohnson[m]> diddledani is apparmor enabled in the kernel?
[12:56] <diddledani> yes, this is on an Ubuntu Host so apparmor is working on the host os
[12:57] <ijohnson[m]> Hmm
[12:57] <ijohnson[m]> Is this in a docker container
[12:57] <diddledani> yup
[12:57] <ijohnson[m]> Is it a privileged docker container
[12:58] <diddledani> this is how I've launched it and how I recommend others launch it:
[12:58] <diddledani> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5zbD4Yjz/
[13:19] <mup> PR snapd#11448 opened: Pr11282+fallback <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11448>
[13:34] <mup> PR snapcraft#3655 closed: meta: support application fields (CRAFT-814) <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3655>
[14:00] <mup> PR snapd#11449 opened: cmd: set core22 migration related env vars and update spread test <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11449>
[15:29] <mup> PR snapcraft#3654 closed: projects: add grammar validation <Created by cmatsuoka> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3654>


[02:47] <short_sam> Hey guys question... does anyone know how to parse databases (sqlite) on ubuntu touch? Help greatly appreciated!
[08:56] <hakermania> Is this a bug? QStandardPaths::displayName(QStandardPaths::DataLocation) returns "Application Data" under Ubuntu 13.04. Shouldn't it be .config ?
[08:57] <hakermania> Wrong channel. Damn
[09:12] <mrqtros> hakermania, I think no
[09:12] <hakermania> mrqtros, Maybe ~/.local/share/data, but "Application Data" is totally wrong under linux.
[09:14] <mrqtros> hakermania, look, you requested "displayName" - presentable name for apps
[09:14] <mrqtros> hakermania, try "standardLocations" or "writableLocation" or something like that
[09:14] <mrqtros> sry I am away from docs :)
[09:15] <hakermania> mrqtros, sorry, you are wrong http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtcore/qstandardpaths.html#StandardLocation-enum
[09:18] <hakermania> Anyway, the documentation isn't 100% clear of what it means. I found a workaround using QSettings  to get that path
[09:19] <mrqtros> hakermania, :) Did you test it on other OS?
[09:20] <hakermania> mrqtros, that workaround works "for sure", because it returns the location where QSettings intends to save the configuration, and that's what I really want.
[12:19] <clepto> trying u1db now, someone here with time and knowledge to help?
[12:55] <danielholm> hey guys, how do you re-use a Page component in a PageStack?
[12:55] <danielholm> I have a Component that contains a page that I want to use as a regular page in a PageStack
[13:00] <clepto> danielholm, try pagestack.push(page)
[13:00] <danielholm> haha, I JUST found that :D
[13:00] <danielholm> clepto: thanks
[13:08] <cwayne> YES FINALLY GOT OAUTH WORKING!
[13:08] <cwayne> sorry for shouting, excited :D
[13:30] <mrqtros> :D
[13:32] <cwayne> it's not even just getting an oauth token, it's signing every request with oauth headers
[13:32] <cwayne> damn annoying :P
[15:10] <PaoloRotolo> Hi everybody!
[15:10] <PaoloRotolo> Hi nik90, nik90_ :)
[15:40] <PaoloRotolo> nik90, nik90_, ping
[15:45] <rschroll> A QML question: Is it possible to style the thumb of a Slider?  Specifically, I'd like to change its color when it's at one end of its range.
[16:36] <jGleitz> Chris Triantafillis: ping
[16:36] <clepto> jGleitz, pong
[16:36] <clepto> jGleitz, thanks for coming!
[16:36] <jGleitz> clepto: No problem. I hope I can help
[16:37] <clepto> jGleitz, let me explain
[16:38] <clepto> this is the doc i store the notes http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6051458/
[16:38] <clepto> when i used database i had every mapping to number as id
[16:39] <clepto> and then i could use something like getTitle(id) etc
[16:39] <clepto> i tried doing the same with the 1udb
[16:39] <clepto> u1db*
[16:39] <clepto> notesDatabase.putDoc({'1': {'id': "1", 'title': 's'}}, "notes")
[16:39] <jGleitz> Okay. And what doesn’t work now?
[16:39] <clepto> but that doesn't work because i can't do notesDatabase.getDoc("notes").1.title
[16:40] <clepto> the .1. doesn't work
[16:40] <jGleitz> Yeah. But notesDatabase.getDoc("notes")[1] doesn’t work either?
[16:40] <clepto> so i need to figure another way
[16:41] <clepto> jGleitz, give a sec to test
[16:41] <clepto> jGleitz, you are right
[16:41] <clepto> i didn't get it when you said it on g+
[16:42] <clepto> thanks!
[16:42] <jGleitz> No prob.
[17:41] <clepto> jGleitz, how do I delete the db's contents?
[18:32] <jGleitz> clepto: putDoc("", docId)
[18:33] <jGleitz> I’m out now.
[19:23] <AskUbuntu> Moving from a Consumer to a Producer? | http://askubuntu.com/q/340158
[20:08] <wellsb> OptionSelectorDelegate is not an item on the device image.  Shouldn't it be?


[00:08] <clivejo> acheronuk: could it be packaged separately as a new source until it eventually comes down via debian?
[00:09] <acheronuk> ask the libreoffice devs. I have no idea how much it depends on stuff only in that master branch
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2017-November/011487.html
 I would appreciate a retweet from @kubuntu: https://twitter.com/tsimonq2/status/929828571513872390
 done
 Thanks


[00:56] <micahg> does anyone know of a smartphone list that can run Ubuntu Mobile?
[01:03] <jmc93739653> micahg: Ubuntu Mobile has, up toward the present, been an x86 only, distribution variant.
[01:03] <jmc93739653> micahg: [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Mobile
[01:04] <micahg> ok, is there a channel for MID?
[01:04] <jmc93739653> micahg: [1] http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/mobile/
[01:05]  * micahg wants to run ubuntu on a smartphone
[01:06] <jmc93739653> This is the place  for MIDs and higher-end mobile handsets.  :)  From what bits of information I have,  there are efforts underway to add ARM along-side x86 for the next Ubuntu Mobile release.
[01:07] <micahg> ok, any idea which phones that would work for?
[01:07] <micahg> would it be able to work as a normal handset as well?
[01:08] <micahg> after the Palm Pre phoning home blog post, I'd like to know what's installed on my phone
[01:10] <playya_> which processor is in the palm pre?
[01:10] <micahg> idk
[01:10] <micahg> I don't want to buy it anymore
[01:10] <micahg> I'd rather get a phone that can run Ubuntu
[01:11] <playya_> you need at least a arm5 processor
[01:11] <playya_> but maybe you want to join #ubuntu-arm
[01:16] <jmc93739653> playya_: The Palm Pre uses a TI OMAP3430, if I'm recalling properly.  (The iPhone 3GS does too, I believe)
[01:17] <micahg> thanks, I'm asking in #ubuntu-arm
[01:18] <playya_> ok. jmc93739653 thats the same as the n800?
[01:18] <playya_> btw. nokia gave a preview on n900
[01:20] <jmc93739653> playya_: The N900 uses the TI OMAP3430, the N800 & N810 used up Nokia's excess inventory of OMAP2420's  :)
[01:21] <playya_> ok
[01:21] <playya_> i'll buy a palm pre
[01:21] <playya_> and maybe i should focus on some n800 projects to get one of those cheap n900s
[01:23] <jmc93739653> playya_: I want to see images of the N900's screen.  1024x600?  OLED or AMOLED screen, or a newer spin on the N810's transflective LCD?  And the keyboard with backlighting.
[01:24] <playya_> n900 has one thing I'm missing in my n800: a GSM modem
[01:28] <jmc93739653> playya_: Deutsche Telekom (AKA T-Mobile) is planning on rolling out N900's bundled with data plans.
[01:30] <playya_> grrr. i sign my next contract with o2
[01:30] <playya_> atm its vodafone and i want to leave these bit***
[02:06] <jmc93739653> playya_: You could be rocking a fantastically low-end "pre-pay as you go" Motorola flip-phone like me :)
[02:07] <playya_> no. i want to run ubuntu/openmoko on it
[02:08] <playya_> and i'll keep my n95 or freerunner as primary device jmc93739653
[02:09] <jmc93739653> playya_: I would too, if I were you :)  Ironically, Nokia paid for 3D acceleration drivers for the N95, but decided not to do so for the N96.
[02:10] <playya_> but the prototypes used the accelerations
[02:28] <jmc93739653> playya_: I'm just an average nerd.  The closest I've been to a mobile handset prototypes have been through FCC RF-emission compliance tests, whispered code-names or leaked photos.  :-/
[02:31] <playya_> i worked for nokia during my practical semester and they already had n96, n86, n810, ...
[02:31] <playya_> and some other cool stuff
[02:40] <jmc93739653> playya_: Very nice.  :)
[02:40] <jmc93739653> playya_: I've had Android running on the N800.  As well as native N800 "Diablo" NAND images running on QEMU.
[02:40] <jmc93739653> playya_: I was impressed by the performance of earlier Android images -- running it natively on a 400 MHz ARMv6 was by _far_ faster than Android via QEMU-0.8.x on a 2000 MHz x86 (Dothan, 90 nm, 2048 KiB L2).
[02:41] <playya_> i had it once on my freerunner
[02:41] <playya_> but i switched back to shr for development jmc93739653
[02:50] <jmc93739653> playya_: The "N800 vs. Pentium-M 755" boxing-match had TI's OMAP2420 flat-out _embarrassing_ one of the more elegant, and aggressively single-thread/integer-perf. tuned x86 CPUs to hit mass production.
[02:52] <jmc93739653> playya_: I keep waiting for consumer-level, Freescale i.MX51 family devices to get to market. But the schedule keeps slipping.
[13:11] <AD-N770> hello all
[13:12] <AD-N770> there's ubuntu developers involved with belmont on that channel ?


[09:06] <Inoki> I'm here darkxst in case smth.
[09:08] <darkxst> Inoki, hi
[09:08] <Inoki> I've changed the walls and sent.
[09:08] <darkxst> can the screenshots be updated?
[09:08] <Inoki> Oh, so the logo isn't there either?
[09:09] <darkxst> Inoki, if the logo is in the screenshots, its now removed, so they need redoing (not actually checked)
[09:09] <Inoki> Or you mean interface screens.
[09:09] <darkxst> installer screenshots
[09:10] <Inoki> Yeah like file manager and stuff screenshots.
[09:10] <Inoki> I'll talk to guys now about those.
[09:12] <Inoki> Alfredo did the update to Ubiquity, so I'll ask him.
[09:16] <darkxst> I just checked they have the old background!
[09:17] <darkxst> Inoki, can you file a uife for the backgrounds
[09:17] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#UserInterfaceFreeze_Exceptions
[09:19] <Inoki> darkxst ok, that needs to be fixed, because the wallpaper with the logo was supposed to be used in Ubiquity. The version without the logo will then be used as default for both the lock screen also. Not sure why this happened. We will file for the exception.
[09:19] <darkxst> Inoki, there are no screenshots that the logo would be visible, but they have a grey background for the main wallpaper
[09:20] <darkxst> I don't think ubiquity needs uife, but worth checking that with the release team
[09:20] <Inoki> This is all visible in the Beta ISO?
[09:21] <Inoki> I'm downloading it as we speak, even though this machine is slow I will test it.
[09:21] <Inoki> Need to see everything for myself.
[09:21] <darkxst> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/files/head:/slideshows/ubuntu-gnome/slides/screenshots/
[09:21] <darkxst> yes they were uploaded a couple of weeks ago
[09:23] <Inoki> Those we will change. Speaking with the team now.
[09:51] <Inoki> darkxst ok, this is all wrong. I see old stuff in Beta1??????
[09:51] <Inoki> Nothing of what we did is included.
[09:52] <darkxst> the were the images alfredo sent me
[09:52] <Inoki> Huh? I'm testing Wily for the first time, am going through the install process and so far I haven't seen a single renewed instance.
[09:54] <darkxst> Inoki, run `bzr branch lp:ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu`
[09:54] <darkxst> then ./test-slideshow.sh in the resulting folder
[09:55] <Inoki> Yes but why can't I see new stuff in the Beta1 ISO?
[09:55] <Inoki> Isn't it supposed to be included?
[09:55] <darkxst> but meh, I don't know what is happening
[09:56] <Inoki> Well, beats me too. I'm installing Wily and keep saying WTF all the time...
[09:56] <Inoki> I'm not experienced in everything, since I just do design, but seems like someone deliberately made an error.
[09:57] <Inoki> I thought I'd see updated stuff during installation.
[09:59] <darkxst> Inoki, oh, you need to use the daily image
[09:59] <darkxst> it was uploaded after beta1 probably
[10:00] <Inoki> Can you send me a link quick?
[10:00] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/
[10:01] <darkxst> and probably the slideshow is ok
[10:02] <darkxst> ^screenshots
[10:02] <darkxst> just the wallpaper needs changing in the slideshow perhaps?
[10:02] <Inoki> darkxst man, I really freaked out. I'm gonna check the daily. Thanks!
[10:05] <darkxst> Inoki, you should always test with dailies, milestone release become obsolete quickly!
[14:05] <LinDol> good evening :)
[16:16] <Inoki> Anyone alive here?


[00:05] <_Ridgewing> jono, ping
[00:31] <mhall119> thanks jono!
[07:20] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <DoubleTheFlavour> http://www.jonobacon.org/2015/12/11/why-you-should-go-to-ubucon-in-los-angeles-in-january/    ,Great post Jono = keep going.
[08:56] <davidcalle> Morning dholbach o/
[08:56] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[08:56] <dholbach> comment ça va?
[08:56] <davidcalle> morning popey o/
[08:56] <davidcalle> ça va, et toi?
[08:58] <dholbach> très bien, merci :)
[09:18] <popey> davidcalle, morning!
[09:27] <dholbach> I got my mx4 back from Meizu after repairs - they not even fixed the screen which was broken, but also the little camera glass thing which I broke when I dropped the phone once - and they made the phone really unique: the front is white and the back is gold - I'm sure I'm now the only one in the world world who has such a phone
[09:33] <popey> haha
[09:33]  * popey tweets and plusses about django-cms now the case study is live on their site
[09:39] <popey> haha, they retweeted it too :)
[09:39] <popey> They're quick!
[09:49] <dholbach> popey: did you know that Tom Berger (intellectronica) works for Divio too? He used to work on Launchpad. :-)
[09:49] <dholbach> or at least he's involved with Django CMS
[09:49] <popey> I did not know that!
[09:50] <dholbach> yes, he works at Divio - just checked on linkedin
[10:01] <dholbach> davidcalle: are you looking at any of the deployment issues right now... or is there anything I can help with?
[10:03] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'm dealing with remote scopes right now, after that I wanted to deal with failing blog menus, but if you feel like starting on this, I wouldn't mind :)
[10:08] <dholbach> davidcalle: ok... I'll start taking a look after lunch
[10:10] <davidcalle> dholbach: I'm done with scopes, I'll start a branch after a coffee
[10:12] <dholbach> ok, I'll ping you later on
[10:19] <czajkowski> is the CLS website down for everyone?
[10:23] <MooDoo> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.communityleadershipsummit.com
[10:23] <MooDoo> seems down here
[10:24] <dholbach> maybe it's hosted on the same machine as jonobacon.com
[10:24] <dholbach> which would make sense
[10:24] <dholbach> it looks like the last post, which went on ubuntu.com's twitter/fb/g+ slashdotted it
[10:26] <MooDoo> 1 and 1 by the look of it
[11:29] <davidcalle> dholbach: hmm, when I'm doing a fresh local branch of our django1.8 one and try to add a new blog entry, I don't have a field to add the post content, have you seen this?
[11:30] <dholbach> no
[11:30] <dholbach> it worked for me
[11:32] <davidcalle> dholbach: and even with the english category, the post is not listed
[11:33] <davidcalle> dholbach: when you tried yesterday, were you using a db dump?
[11:42] <dholbach> no, it was a fresh db with nothing in it
[11:51] <davidcalle> dholbach: was there anything else to do for entries to show up, apart from the English category?
[11:51] <dholbach> davidcalle: what's the slug of the category?
[11:52] <davidcalle> dholbach: english
[11:52] <dholbach> set it to 'en'
[11:52] <dholbach> I was struggling with that yesterday
[11:52] <davidcalle> :D
[11:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: for some reason, the menu appears now
[11:58] <davidcalle> ...
[11:59] <dholbach> what???
[11:59] <dholbach> I'll recreate it in a bit
[12:00] <davidcalle> dholbach, after logging out and in, emptying the cache, the menu appears.
[12:00] <davidcalle> In an unexpected turn of events, the bug has left the building.
[12:02] <davidcalle> dholbach, I need lunch before deciding if it's a good or a bad thing :) Let's try together again in a moment
[12:02]  * davidcalle lunch
[12:40] <dholbach> davidcalle: so on/en/blog you have the "Start    Scopes   Web    Apps    Core    Publish    Community" menu?
[12:44] <davidcalle> dholbach: using  lp:~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-1.8-cms-2.3  , with no db, I've created /home, /community and /community/blog, I've added the en category, and a couple entries. I have: the main orange menu working normally, the second menu "Community > Blog  > Categories Tags Authors" working normally as well.
[12:45] <davidcalle> dholbach: when I go to an entry page, the second menu changes to "Community > Blog > 2015 >".
[12:46] <davidcalle> As a side note, the "2015" archives page is broken, but I have a fix for it.
[12:46] <dholbach> oh ... hang on
[12:48] <dholbach> nevermind - the bug is fixed - you are correct
[12:49] <dholbach> so that's 2 out of 3 working locally: http://pad.ubuntu.com/I52eWD9zXl
[12:50] <davidcalle> dholbach: the publish button disappears when pressed locally as well
[12:50] <davidcalle> (disappears in a good way)
[12:51] <dholbach> yes, it's instantaneous - like I would expect it
[12:51] <dholbach> when editing a page and hitting the publish button on the page of the article I also don't get a notification
[12:51] <davidcalle> dholbach: do you think it's postgre related?
[12:51] <davidcalle> dholbach: same
[12:51] <dholbach> let me try it
[12:54] <dholbach> when I publish from the Pages... page using the mouseover thing, I also don't get a notification
[12:54] <dholbach> but the page is reloaded and it's obvious that something changed
[12:55] <davidcalle> dholbach: ok
[12:55] <dholbach> and with postgres it works just fine
[12:55] <dholbach> just the same as with sqlite
[13:04] <dholbach> davidcalle: where's a 2015 link?
[13:05] <dholbach> /en/blog/2015/ gives me: get_dated_queryset() takes exactly 1 argument (4 given)
[13:05] <davidcalle> dholbach: when you are viewing a blog entry, the breadcrumbs menu at the top has a link to view the yearly archive
[13:05] <davidcalle> dholbach: exactly
[13:05] <dholbach> I think I fixed this already in some other branch
[13:05] <dholbach> let me check
[13:09] <davidcalle> dholbach: I've pushed my fix in a branch just in case: tell me if this change rings a bell http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~davidc3/developer-ubuntu-com/dj1.8-zinnia-yearly-archives-fix/revision/162
[13:10] <dholbach> or maybe like this?
[13:10] <dholbach>     def get_dated_queryset(self, ordering=None, **lookup):
[13:10] <dholbach>         if ordering:
[13:10] <dholbach>             return super(MultiLangEntryIndex, self).get_dated_queryset(**lookup).filter(categories__slug=self.language).order_by(ordering)
[13:10] <dholbach>         return super(MultiLangEntryIndex, self).get_dated_queryset(**lookup).filter(categories__slug=self.language)
[13:11] <dholbach> I see that I just fixed this for MultiLangEntryIndex and not the other classes
[13:13] <davidcalle> dholbach: Oh? I had to fix it in MultiLangEntryYear for it to work, and now, calling [year]/[month]/ urls works as well
[13:16] <dholbach> I was wondering if we should add the ordering bit?
[13:19] <dholbach> davidcalle: so maybe something like this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13929575/
[13:19] <dholbach> or http://paste.ubuntu.com/13929590/
[13:20] <dholbach> and http://paste.ubuntu.com/13929617/ with a typo fixed :)
[13:21] <dholbach> now it works for me
[13:25] <davidcalle> dholbach: much better indeed
[13:25]  * davidcalle tests
[13:29] <mhall119> davidcalle: dholbach: I'm wondering if devportal discussions would be better suited for #ubuntu-website or #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:30] <davidcalle> #ubuntu-website sounds good, I don't want to flood newcomers arriving in app-devel
[13:30] <dholbach> ok
[13:36] <mhall119> dpm: btw, I heard back from Ryan Sipes, looks like he's going to be at UbuCon and he's going to try and bring a Mycroft to display at the booth (may not be doing live demos though)
[13:37] <mhall119> I told him he could do an unconference talk too, if he wanted
[13:37] <mhall119> unfortunately, being a startup, they don't have much money to sponsor us with
[13:38] <dpm> mhall119, awesome. Yeah, I half expected them not sponsoring
[13:39] <dpm> mhall119, could you talk to him on whether he'd be up for writing a blog post about them showing a device at the booth?
[13:39] <mhall119> yeah
[13:39] <dpm> excellent, thanks
[13:40] <mhall119> it seems we killed jono's blog
[13:41] <dpm> yeah
[13:42] <dpm> it seems that upped up a bit the number of registrations, but it's still low
[13:46] <svij> it's correct that the meetup group is the registration for the summit?
[13:53] <mhall119> svij: yes
[13:53] <svij> ok, thx
[13:54]  * svij just needs to book his flight then.
[14:55] <dholbach> brb
[15:01] <dpm> mhall119, seems the call has been cancelled, I just noticed an e-mail from James
[15:01] <dpm> mhall119, replying and CC'ing you
[15:01] <mhall119> dpm: let's go over it the two of us at least
[15:02] <dpm> mhall119, sounds good. Give me 2 mins to reply and then I'll join
[15:02] <mhall119> ok
[15:06] <dpm> mhall119, ok, all set, joining...
[15:37] <dholbach> popey: nice podcast
[15:37] <popey> OMG! people listen to our nonsense? :)
[15:42] <balloons> lol.. and he listened even when he's not forced to (like during a meeting)
[15:43] <balloons> your voice really must be soothing
[15:43] <dholbach> listening to podcast during meetings?
[15:44] <dholbach> I'm not sure if I could handle that much talking at the same time :)
[15:49] <dpm> dholbach, popey, balloons, mhall119, davidcalle, could you update the weekly update doc? I missed sending the last one (:/) and I want to make sure we go back to a cadence
[15:52] <popey> dpm, you gonna add last weeks content? Because I did quite a bulky update for last week, and have less this week.
[15:52] <dpm> popey, no, I'm just going to pretend you were slacking of course
[15:52] <popey> \o/ WOOOOT
[15:52] <popey> <insert sticker here>
[15:52] <popey> irc sucks
[15:52] <dpm> :-)
[15:53] <dpm> sure I'll add the previous week's content
[15:53] <dpm> but in any case, I think this week is a good opportunity to let everyone know how google code-in is going
[16:00] <balloons> do we have a linky?
[16:01] <balloons> nvm, got it
[16:28] <popey> fwiw I put a link in everyone's calendar 14:30 UTC which has the link in it as a nice friday reminder :D
[16:32] <pleia2> dholbach: maybe time to rm old-CC from the mailing list?
[16:33] <dholbach> pleia2: ah yes, will do
[16:33] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:34] <dholbach> done
[16:49] <dholbach> all right everyone - I call it a day
[16:50] <dholbach> have a great weekend! :)
[16:51] <pleia2> enjoy, dholbach
[17:28] <popey> Hah, i was adding stuff to the doc and dpm sent it already :(
[17:28] <popey> (so was balloons)
[17:29] <balloons> LOL
[17:29] <balloons> I was afraid he'd done that
[17:29] <balloons> Shall we both add the addendum?
[17:29] <dpm> popey, balloons, sorry, I need to run and I thought everyone was done. Would you mind replying to my e-mail as an addendum?
[17:30] <popey> heh :)
[17:30] <balloons> not your fault dpm, I was slow getting it in there
[17:30] <popey> ditto
[17:30] <dpm> np, in any case others have added things in reply to the original e-mail in the past
[17:31] <balloons> popey, I sent both ours over
[17:31]  * popey hugs balloons
[17:31]  * dpm is in "do-all-things-before-weekend" mode
[17:31]  * dpm hugs popey and balloons
[17:31] <balloons> indeed. It's weekend enjoyment time for both of you!
[17:32] <balloons> bah, that formatting. I blame TB
[17:33] <dpm> nice closing line with Google Code in stats balloons!
[17:34] <balloons> yea, it's been a ride this week, but things are definitely happening!
[17:54] <dpm> ok, I need to run now, teaching a Lindy Hop class and dj'ing for the evening. Have a great weekend everyone!
[18:38] <mhall119> jono: did we kill your server last night?
[18:40] <jono> mhall119, I think so :-)
[18:40] <jono> did you put it on FB?
[18:40] <mhall119> yeah, and G+
[18:41] <mhall119> but probably it was FB that did it
[18:43] <jono> mhall119, awesome :-)
[18:46] <mhall119> jono: hey, for CLS keynotes, what would you think about me discussing what Ubuntu got out of last year's event, the things we implemented as a result and how they worked out?
[18:46] <jono> mhall119, I think that sounds awesome
[18:47] <jono> particularly if you share it as a reproducible methodology
[18:47] <mhall119> yeah, I think it can be generic enough
[18:47] <jono> awesome
[18:47] <jono> can you submit this?
[18:47] <jono> so I assume you are doing CLS and OSCON?
[18:47] <mhall119> yeah, I'll do that over the weekend
[18:47] <jono> thanks, pal
[18:48] <mhall119> jono: I hope so, CLS anyway, but that's up to dpm :)
[18:48] <jono> mhall119, awesome!
[18:49] <jono> I would argue it was clearly helpful to the team
[18:49] <jono> would be great to get dholbach out too
[18:49] <jono> and balloons :-)
[18:49] <jono> and popey :-)
[18:49] <popey> \o/
[18:49] <popey> last as always :)
[18:49] <jono> popey, always
[18:49] <jono> lol
[18:50] <balloons> lol
[18:50] <balloons> last is the most endearing!
[18:50] <balloons> try being second to last
[18:51] <balloons> It will be nice to see you again jono btw @ ubucon.   We get to make fun of aquarius right?
[18:56] <jono> of course!


[14:36] <qense> hello
[20:25] <nand> newz2000: hey, thanks for your tips!
[20:26] <nand> I'll take that into account during my second mockups
[20:31] <newz2000> my pleasure nand, hope it didn't sound too critical, I think it's good work.
[20:31] <nand> tips are always welcome!
[20:31] <nand> now I just need to find time to go on...
[20:32] <newz2000> the first 90% is so easy compared to the last 10%
[20:32] <nand> the top bar?
[20:48] <Flaw> Hi, newz2000
[20:50] <nand> newz2000: btw, any experience with advanced Drupal caching?
[20:50] <newz2000> hey Flaw
[20:50] <newz2000> nand: no, it conflicted with our squid proxies so we have it disabled
[20:51] <nand> conflicted?
[20:51] <newz2000> yeah, the double caching caused problems
[20:51] <newz2000> I don't remember what they were now
[20:51] <newz2000> I think we have the basic caching turned on
[20:53] <nand> Right now I'm having non logged in pages being served to logged people, so I guess I have the same pb...
[20:53] <newz2000> nand: what percentage of your traffic is anonymous users?
[20:53] <nand> 80%
[20:53] <nand> I'm considering things like http://2bits.com/articles/increasing-drupals-speed-squid-caching-reverse-proxy.html
[20:53] <newz2000> so I learned some tricks...
[20:54] <newz2000> hang on, let me get details...
[20:54] <nand> okay
[20:54] <newz2000> boost module
[20:54] <newz2000> turn on query caching for mysql
[20:54] <newz2000> use memcached if you have enough ram
[20:55] <newz2000> the boost module basically serves your site as static content
[20:56] <nand> what's the difference with drupal built in cache?
[20:56] <newz2000> I don't know
[20:56] <newz2000> I was at a drupal conference in Dec and they suggested that
[20:56] <newz2000> also using memcached for the sessions table since it can be highly contentious on busy sites with a lot of anonymous traffic
[20:57] <newz2000> I have not tried any of this, just told about it
[20:57] <newz2000> however I was told this by the buy who wrote the book Professional Drupal Developement. :-)
[20:57] <nand> memcached is available for postgres?
[20:57] <newz2000> oh, you're using postgres?
[20:57] <newz2000> (but yes, memcache is not database dependent)
[20:57] <nand> ahh, I see the difference :
[20:57] <nand> "Once Boost has been installed and enabled, page requests by anonymous
[20:57] <nand> visitors will be cached as static HTML pages on the server's file system."
[20:58] <nand> Drupal cache stores cached pages... in database.
[20:58] <nand> that's less efficient
[20:58] <newz2000> ah, that would be a big difference
[20:58] <newz2000> why are you using postgres (out of curiosity)?
[20:59] <nand> because all QA websites used it, and I'm on the same instance :)
[20:59] <nand> Besides that, it has a very powerfull fulltext search
[20:59] <nand> get 20ms results in all the brainstorm database
[20:59] <nand> unlike the 300ms with standard SQL
[21:00] <newz2000> I'm a big postgres fan, I'm surprised you find the pg full text better than mysql's
[21:00] <newz2000> the prob with postgres wtih drupal is that it gets far less optimization and attention
[21:00] <newz2000> you may want to turn on query logging to see if you have queries taking too long and then manually optimize them (with indexes or whatever) and suggest patches to the devs
[21:01] <newz2000> considering your modest system you will likely notice problems others might not see
[21:01] <nand> the biggest part of SQL comes from brainstorm itself, and I have already fought a lot to reduce them...
[21:01] <nand> Still, I have some 300ms queries I wasn't able to reduce
[21:01] <nand> (one per page, of course)
[21:02] <nand> I'm thinking : A squid plus a patched Drupal would do the job of the Boost module.
[21:03] <nand> (patched so that it removes the "nocache" when not logged in)
[21:03] <newz2000> we have done the same thing for ubuntu.com
[21:03] <newz2000> yes it would, though squid works best when you give it plenty of ram though (so I hear)
[21:03] <nand> these are equivalent solutions, so I'd rather go with the first one
[21:03] <newz2000> give it a shot
[21:03] <nand> yeah, I'll see with Ng tomorrow
[21:04] <nand> I'll also ask him about memcached.
[21:04] <nand> brainstorm.ubuntu.com is _really_ slow right now
[21:04] <newz2000> I noticed actually
[21:05] <newz2000> do you know how to use query logging?
[21:05] <nand> with the devel module?
[21:05] <newz2000> no, in postgres configuration
[21:05] <nand> no. Won't that slow down things?
[21:06] <newz2000> I think you can set it to only log queries that take a certain amount of time
[21:06] <nand> great!
[21:06] <newz2000> I think you can set it in ms, so choose 500ms or something
[21:06] <newz2000> then optimize those queries
[21:07] <newz2000> check the sessions table especially since it gets a lot of traffic from anonymous users
[21:08] <nand> indeed
[21:09] <newz2000> regarding performance, you can probably just leave logging on for a little while and geet plenty of useful data. maybe 15 min would be enough.
[21:10] <nand> problem is, I don't have direct access to the production server, so that's not easy for me to interact with it
[21:10] <nand> I can of course turn that on on the staging one, but that's not the same thing
[21:10] <newz2000> yeah, tell me about it
[21:10] <nand> at least, I'll try to ask for some load graphes && slow queries tables
[21:11] <nand> well, some basic stuff
[21:12] <nand> Ok, that gives me a lot to experiment with tomorrow. Thanks for the tips!
[21:15] <newz2000> any time. ;-)
[21:18] <Flaw> newz2000: I will be joining the website team soon, hopefully.
[21:18] <Flaw> Once I get round to reading the Wiki, and actually joining.
[21:19] <newz2000> Don't wait, just join the email list and introduce yourself
[21:19] <Flaw> Ok!
[21:19] <newz2000> we'll be starting fresh with a new round of projects soon
[21:19] <Flaw> Ah, awesome! I have no idea how I am going to get involved (I'm sure there are numerous ways I can contribute), but I will pick something up no doubt.
[21:20] <newz2000> what do you like to do Flaw?
[21:20] <Flaw> I'm sure there are a few things, -website isn't too specific is it?
[21:20] <Flaw> (not like -artwork, for example).
[21:22] <newz2000> yeah, we have a variety of tasks and skills. art, icons, javascript, php, python, drupal, content, usability
[21:40] <Flaw> newz2000: I'll be sure to take a look on the Wiki.
[21:40] <Flaw> How many members does your team consist of?
[21:45] <newz2000> Flaw: depends, there are about a dozen people who were active during the heavy dev period for last release
[21:45] <newz2000> a lot of people chime in for discussion and brainstorming
[21:45] <newz2000> I think there are over a hundred subscribed to the list though
[21:46] <Flaw> Ah, I see!
[21:46] <newz2000> we're kind of on hold for various reasons
[21:46] <Flaw> So you actually have access to the website, or is this just a small part, forwarded to another group?
[21:46] <newz2000> I'm a canonical employee, the ubuntu webmaster
[21:46] <Flaw> Ah, that's cool!
[21:46] <newz2000> the team members don't have access to the website yet
[21:46] <Flaw> I see.
[21:46] <newz2000> maybe for jaunty + 1 they will
[21:47] <Flaw> It might be a good idea, to test giving access out, even in small portions to start with!
[21:47] <newz2000> yeah
[21:47] <newz2000> I've got several projects I want to accomplish but there's some reorganizing going on inside canonical so I'm waiting to see who goes where before finalizing my plans for this release
[21:47] <newz2000> I'm pretty sure we'll do at least these three things:
[21:47] <newz2000>  * start page (new folder structure, better translation)
[21:48] <newz2000>  * Uprade to Drupal 6
[21:48] <newz2000>  * GeoIP for download page
[21:48] <newz2000> I've got a few other things I'd also like to do
[21:48] <Flaw> They sound good!
[22:06] <nand> newz2000: by curiosity, is there the project going on of redesigning ubuntu.com?
[22:06] <newz2000> nand: not yet
[22:07] <nand> okay. If it is the case, I'd really like to see that inter website navigation bar happen.
[22:08] <newz2000> nand: yeah, me too
[22:08] <newz2000> there is a job opening in London for someone to head up that task
[22:08] <nand> which task?
[22:08] <newz2000> redesign of ubuntu.com and related
[22:08] <nand> didn't saw it on ubuntu.com
[22:09] <nand> didn't see
[22:09] <newz2000> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_WD/
[22:09] <nand> oh yeah, that's mainly design. The area where I'm weak :)
[22:10] <newz2000> me too (which is why they're hiring someone ;-) )
[22:10] <newz2000> it will be part of Julian's team, the same team who will be making Ubuntu desktop as beautiful as mac os
[22:11] <nand> Julian sounded like he knew what he was talking about at UDS :)
[22:11] <newz2000> I can't wait to meet him
[22:11] <newz2000> (in person)
[22:12] <nand> and I'm eager to see the actual results!


[00:41] <bazhang>  [Kuntinator] (32889a9b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.<IP_ADDRESS>): <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:41] <bazhang> spells trouble
[00:47] <bazhang> Kuntinator> ops pls ban bazhang for trolling
[00:47] <bazhang> what a surprise
[00:50] <k1l_> you and your fans :)
[00:51] <bazhang> thats the 12 is old enough for irc guy
[07:04] <Unit193> xhoch3: Howdy.  Anything else we can do for you?
[20:49] <genii> @comment 69769 Reviewed, not lifted
[22:21] <Jordan_U> ikonia: I don't quite follow your logic for saying that bryn__ was lying.
[22:22] <ikonia> he couldn't use sudo
[22:22] <ikonia> yet in other channels he was saying he was using sudo with random fixes
[22:22] <Jordan_U> Which would make sense if he just recently accidentally ran "sudo chown -R bryn /" and broke everything. That sudo command worked.
[22:23] <ikonia> he hadn't
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Which you know because?
[22:23] <ikonia> because he's talking about this elsewhere
[22:23] <ikonia> and stating "he swears he didn't run that"
[22:24] <ikonia> there is an element of chance that he was just unaware of what he's doing, because he also claims he is the sysadmin and 100+ users are using the server
[22:24] <ikonia> but the whole thing seems very contrived
[22:24] <ikonia> I've removed the ban on him
[22:24] <genii> For some reason this reminds me of eagles0513875
[22:25] <Jordan_U> He may have run "sudo chown -R /$HOM" and not realized what happens when the variable the variable $HOM doesn't exist or in this case is misspelled.
[22:25] <ikonia> maybe
[22:25] <ikonia> all very possible, but not what he's saying,
[22:27] <ikonia> still don't believe a word he's saying
[22:27] <ikonia> he's now admitting sudo doesn't work
[22:28] <Jordan_U> Which would be consistent with it working before a recent improper chown command. (I'm not in whatever other channels you're seeing his new responses in).
[22:28] <ikonia> nope
[22:29] <genii> Jordan_U: -server
[22:29] <ikonia> he said he installed it just seconds ago
[22:29] <ikonia> so he installed gksu on a non-graphical server
[22:29] <ikonia> without sudo
[22:29] <ikonia> and fixed the permissions problem
[22:29] <ikonia> now he's saying he didn't


[08:24] <guiverc> If someone uses bluetooth & knows something useful - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1202834/lxqt-panel-volume-control-doesnt-switch-to-actual-output-device  ([primary] Question: "Is there some way to make the LXQt panel Volume Control follow the actual audio output?"; 19.10)
[11:13] <guiverc> ignore ^ ; OP/user solved it themselves :)
[14:11] <sweb> wxl: hi, any update for problem dependecy for lubuntu-desktop ?
[19:19] <Guest42> hello? how to add "copy to html" feature to terminal in lubuntu 18.04?
[19:20] <Guest42> I'm using LXTerminal 0.3.1
[19:21] <Guest42> is it possible to get that functionality in LXTerminal or can I install a different term and if so which one is recommended?
[19:23] <krytarik> I'd be surprised if you could add it, and my suggestion would be to check out xfce4-terminal on it.
[19:24] <Guest42> @krytarik - I'm only a yellow belt at this... what would the "apt get" cmd be?
[19:24] <Guest42> @krytarik - FYI thanks for the reply BTW. ;o)
[19:24] <krytarik> Sure!  And that'd be: "sudo apt install xfce4-terminal"
[19:26] <krytarik> That is to say, I know that the version of xfce4-terminal that I use currently has it, but I'm not sure it was in older versions already.
[19:27] <Guest42> @krytarik - it works! awesome. TYVM!
[19:28] <Guest42> xfce4-terminal <IP_ADDRESS> ( for the logs. in case that one soul goes a searching. :oD )
[23:02] <Luna__> Sad News: https://forum.peppermintos.com/index.php/topic,9283.msg93570.html#msg93570
[23:03] <wxl> Luna__: very much so :( but please in the future point the offtopic (non-lubuntu support) stuff to #lubuntu-offtopic
[23:34] <neo_> help
[23:35] <neo_> j
[23:35] <wxl> !ask