[06:14] <ross__> thank you - and I was getting confused
[06:18] <Liste> How do I determine my IP?
[06:18] <winston84> curl -s ip.appspot.com
[06:19] <rocket16> Is it true that PC-BSD runs faster than Ubuntu? I found the requirements (even with KDE system) on PC-BSD to be much lesser. (I simply can't tolerate how that Ubuntu is defeated by PC-BSD).
[06:19] <max__> help
[06:19] <Liste> Can you run xChat on Tor?
[06:19] <rocket16> Liste: Go to http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatismyip.com%2F&ei=yRkwTJL1B8mkcfnt7aQD&usg=AFQjCNGY_VKpSTObxuE1bTe9aqWoRtjHGw to see your IP
[06:19] <Pirate_Hunter> Liste, use ifconfig it might be something like 192.168.*.*
[06:19] <KB1JWQ> rocket16: Some things about BSD trump aspects of Linux.
[06:20] <rocket16> Liste: Well, I don't know about XChat, but Pidgin does. And with XChat Like Chat plugin, Pidgin behaves like XChat
[06:20] <max__> its some code in terminal its something with nautilus to axess to filsystem
[06:20] <max__> its some code in terminal its something with nautilus to axess to filsystem
[06:20] <cbill> pirate_hunter that would be internal ip though
[06:20] <max__> its some code in terminal its something with nautilus to axess to filsystem
[06:20] <rocket16> KB1JWQ: Well, but isn't there any sphere in which Ubuntu beats PC-BSD?
[06:20] <Pirate_Hunter> cbill, they dindt ask which ip they wanted and I assumed that is what they wanted
[06:20] <KB1JWQ> rocket16: Sure, some.  Not all.
[06:20] <cbill> pirate_hunter true enough, just pointing it out
[06:20] <Liste> KB1JWQ.....are you a Ham operator?
[06:21] <KB1JWQ> Yes.
[06:21] <Liste> Man...if I were you I'd change my nick......
[06:21] <Liste> Your call sign is public record
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> My call sign information is 15+ yrs out of date :)
[06:22] <KB1JWQ> Liste: Good heavens. :-)
[06:22] <Pirate_Hunter> cbill, no worries I know
[06:22] <Prodego> I think I commented on that I while ago, and it didn't matter for some reason or another, am I remembering that right KB1JWQ
[06:22] <KB1JWQ> Prodego: You are. :-)
[06:23] <Liste> Corey....right?
[06:23] <KB1JWQ> Yup.
[06:23] <verbrecher> Pirate_Hunter, I am a Pirate
[06:23] <KB1JWQ> The rest of the info's a bit out of date. :-)
[06:24] <Liste> Well, 73 anyway
[06:24] <elisa87> Casillas
[06:24] <rocket16> KB1JWQ: Thank you, :) So, can you please point me to a website or something like that, in which it is specified that in which spheres Ubuntu beats PC-BSD? :)
[06:24] <verbrecher> just look at the default compilation of the Linux Kernel for x86 processors
[06:25] <verbrecher> they compile it for too many CPUs
[06:25] <KB1JWQ> rocket16: It'll depend on your application.  The BSD kernel handles some things far better than the linux kernel.  NFS, I'm looking at you.
[06:25] <rocket16> verbrecher: I am Captain Jack Sparrow, :D
[06:25] <rocket16> KB1JWQ: My sincere thanks, friend, :)
[06:25] <amaryams> can somebody help with problem that I have with mount CD/DVD device Ubuntu 10.04?
[06:26] <gryllida> !somebody
[06:26] <amaryams> Get message in dmesg:"[    1.952404] ata4.00: ATAPI: _NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A, 1.04, max UDMA/33
[06:26] <amaryams> [    1.968254] ata4.00: model number mismatch '_NEC DVD_RW ND-3520A' != '_NEC DVD_RW OD-3521A'
[06:26] <amaryams> [    1.968258] ata4.00: revalidation failed (errno=-19)
[06:26] <amaryams> "
[06:26] <FloodBot1> amaryams: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:26] <Jordan_U> rocket16: phoronix.com does a lot of benchmarks comparing various operating systems / distributions.
[06:27] <amaryams> Sorry
[06:27] <rocket16> Jordan_U: Thank you, :) I'll have a look soon,
[06:27] <Jordan_U> rocket16: You're welcome.
[06:29] <SoulDemon> hello
[06:29] <Mqueue> hey
[06:29] <SoulDemon> i'm new here, how is eveyone?
[06:29] <elisa87> do you have the same problem? E: package dpkg-dev has no installation candidate   .
[06:30] <Mqueue> good good mate how r u ?
[06:31] <elisa87> E: package flex has no installation candidate ... whatever I try to install using sudo apt-get has the same problem. does anyone know what to do?
[06:31] <SoulDemon> good, just started using linux here in the last week. Still learning...figure i could find some help here
[06:31] <KB1JWQ> SoulDemon: What're you stuck on? :-)
[06:31] <rocket16> SoulDemon: Hello and welcome to Ubuntu IRC, :) Hope you'll enjoy here. And thanks for joining, friend, :)
[06:32] <Pirate_Hunter> elisa87, are you saying that apt-get doesn't let you install any packages?
[06:32] <SoulDemon> well not doing to bad so far, i got aircrack and all that good stuff to work. Just trying to figure out my ip address.
[06:32] <verbrecher> Wasnt it possible to dump the kernel configuration from proc or sys?
[06:32] <Mqueue> don't worry bro i had it 3 weeks ago still learning :)
[06:32] <SoulDemon> lol, yeah i'm a windows person...:)
[06:32] <Mqueue> SoulDemon >> ip addr
[06:33] <SoulDemon> it had to be something simple
[06:33] <SoulDemon> lol ty
[06:33] <Mqueue> lol
[06:33] <elisa87> pirate_hunter it asks me for the password but it say it has no installation candidate
[06:33] <KB1JWQ> SoulDemon: ifconfig from the CLI should tell it to you.
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> elisa87:  do a 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' and try 'sudo apt-get install flex' again.
[06:34] <Mqueue> if u're i gnome u can check on the top of the wireless conection right click and connection info
[06:34] <amyleto> i'm just afer some basic advice here--What program do yall prefer for DVD playback?
[06:34] <ZykoticK9> Mqueue, thanks man!  I've never seen that "ip addr" before - very cool.
[06:34] <elisa87> dr_willis is this problem according to the new version of ubuntu 10.04?
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> elisa87:  i just installed flex fine here.
[06:34] <elisa87> as I didn't have this problem in ubuntu 9.10
[06:34] <elisa87> ok
[06:34] <elisa87> let me check
[06:34] <amyleto> I've been using Totem for a while, but I'm looking to try something different.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> elisa87: when in doubt.. Update, upgrade, try again
[06:34] <KB1JWQ> Mqueue: Same here.  That's neat!
[06:35] <Mqueue> my network card is not support so couldn't play with aircrack :D
[06:35] <fade_> hello,
[06:35] <Mqueue> fade_> hello
[06:35] <fade_> I was reading the FAQ for putting GRUB2 back on the MBR
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> amyleto:  smplayer, vlc, gnome-mplayer,
[06:36] <fade_> is there anyway I could put it back the inputs I get are completly different
[06:36] <SoulDemon> one else is running bt4?
[06:36] <SoulDemon> anyone*
[06:36] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> only adobe flash player is slow on linux else is all the same
[06:36] <Jordan_U> fade_: What inputs?
[06:37] <SoulDemon> well i still running off a live cd atm
[06:37] <Jordan_U> !backtrack | SoulDemon
[06:37] <fade_> I managed to boot into ubuntu with supergurb
[06:37] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> lol scared to jump ships lol
[06:37] <fade_> and I have a /boot partition
[06:37] <fade_> so when I did mount | tail -1
[06:37] <SoulDemon> yeah, i will have to work on this for a month or two
[06:38] <fade_> I got this gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/fade/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=fade)
[06:38] <SoulDemon> i havnt had the internet since i moved into my apt. Thats what got me here
[06:39] <rocket16> SoulDemon: See http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whylinuxisbetter.net%2F&ei=YR4wTIHLE8ircYPIxZ4D&usg=AFQjCNFkFPz1XP0lhJuU2ncyA4Czb0BxYw (This shows Linux > Windows)
[06:39] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> aha...so aircrack helped
[06:39] <emilio> hola some latino people
[06:39] <seanty> fade_, so are you not seeing /boot when you do a "mount" command?
[06:39] <Jordan_U> fade_: Why are you using tail -1? Could you please explain what problem you are having specifically, and on one line so that it's easy to follow?
[06:39] <SoulDemon> yup, it took me almost a week to get everything worked out. but as you can see i got it working :)
[06:39] <fade_> I already mounted the /boot partition
[06:40] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> hahaha..nice
[06:40] <fade_> but I don't know where to go from there
[06:40] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> it's a bit frustrating initially then u get use to it..lol
[06:40] <opengyan> facing problem in apt get a pkg ....error is ...Failed to fetch ..... Size mismatch
[06:40] <SoulDemon> now i trying to figure out what all this other "security" stuff does
[06:41] <seanty> fade_, can you please rephrase your question.  Are you not able to boot?
[06:41] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> well there are quite a few tools like wireshark, nmap
[06:41] <Jordan_U> fade_: If you want to re-install grub to /dev/sda then run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda". Do *not* try to install to a partition like /dev/sda1.
[06:41] <SoulDemon> yeah i got wireshark running now, that why i was trying to figure out my ip so i can see my noise
[06:41] <timClicks> i have an amd-64, but would like to create a VM via VirtualBox. should I use the i686 or amd64 isos?
[06:41] <Jordan_U> fade_: If you don't know what drive to install grub to then just run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc -pcritical" and grub will be re-installed to the drive that it was installed to initially.
[06:42] <SoulDemon> what i really want to do next is setup my wireless router as a AP
[06:42] <opengyan> should i clean cache ?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> timClicks:  to be honest with  You. I think ive used both..  Ive never really even thought about that. and i am on a 64bit box and use vmware all the time.
[06:42] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> tor is nice with privoxy to hide your ip..something to play with
[06:43] <emilio> algun latino por aqui
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> timClicks:  vbox may have a setting where it can do either.
[06:43] <SoulDemon> whats the name?
[06:43] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> not sure about that...i install dd-wrt on my linksys router
[06:43] <brotard> well, im here to help anybody
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> !vbox
[06:43] <KB1JWQ> !es | emilio
[06:43] <ahmad> linuxlac
[06:43] <brotard> for soem reason, im in a mood to help people today
[06:43] <brotard> so ask up
[06:43] <timClicks> Dr_Willis: thanks
[06:43] <timClicks> !virtualizer
[06:43] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> tor & privoxy
[06:44] <fade_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc -pcritical
[06:44] <fade_> THANKS!
[06:44] <rabbit1> how to convert .vob to mpeg in hardy searched lot of sites, but no result.
[06:44] <Jordan_U> fade_: You're welcome.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  ffmpeg, mencoder, or guis to those 2 tools should be able to do it.
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> I thought a .vob was some mpeg variant to begin with.
[06:45] <fade_> I'll reboot and see if it stuck
[06:45] <brotard> rabbit1, try hardbrake
[06:45] <brotard> handbrake
[06:45] <brotard> http://handbrake.fr/
[06:45] <rabbit1> brotard: try ?
[06:45] <SoulDemon> dont know if i can run privoxy while on live cd??
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  ffmpeg, mencoder, winff,  avideumux, (all in repos)  handbrake (not in the repos, last i checked but may have a PPA)
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> SoulDemon:  would have to install it. and it would install to a ram disk. so that may be an issue
[06:46] <emilio> some of you know emulator for linux
[06:46] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: ffmpeg i am getting corrupt error
[06:46] <SoulDemon> yeah running out of RAM
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  when in doubt check ffmpeg docs/homepage. Its a complex tool.  Or try a front end. mencoder is also handy to use.
[06:46] <rabbit1> brotard: hardbrake is not an option for 8.04 i guess
[06:47] <brotard> why not rabbit1?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  8.04  is a little old.. you may want to update. the video tools have all had lots of updates since 8.04
[06:47] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: what about avio converter
[06:47] <Mqueue> SoulDemon>> whenever u want i guess
[06:47] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: i am working on a project, i don't want to mess around atleast for a month
[06:48] <brotard> hmm the handbrake ppl dont seem to have tarballs
[06:48] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: surely, i need an update, should be able to do at the earliest,
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> ffmpeg -i snatch_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800k -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec libmp3lame -ab 128k snatch.avi
[06:48] <rabbit1> brotard: http://handbrake.fr/downloads.php (no download for 8.04)
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> that works for DECRYPTED vobs - example fry the ffmpeg docs -> http://www.ffmpeg.org/ffmpeg-doc.html
[06:48] <brotard> lol why u usin 8.04
[06:49] <brotard> and use the thign dr willis said
[06:49] <emilio> anyone know free phone call
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> converting VOB -> avi - via Mencoder (from forum post)
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> mencoder dvd://1 -dvd-device [dvd device] -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=2000:chroma_opt:vhq=4:bvhq=1:quant_type=mp eg -vf pp=de,crop=[W]:[H]:[H]:[V],scale=[W]:-2 -alang en -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=3 -o [movie.avi]
[06:50] <KB1JWQ> !voip | emilio
[06:50] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: will check out, in ffmpeg i ran "ffmpeg -i VTS_01_0.VOB -target vcd /Desktop/file.mpg" and got result saying "VTS_01_0.VOB: I/O error occured
[06:50] <rabbit1> Usually that means that input file is truncated and/or corrupted."
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  got that from --> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-206273.html
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  handbreak is VERY good at converting/ripping DVD -> videos.  if you have the whole disk archived somewhere.
[06:51] <VonGuard> my friend updated to the most recent version on his Aspire One, but the network selection menu and the battery monitor in his task bar have vanished
[06:51] <VonGuard> how do i add those?
[06:51] <VonGuard> where are they?
[06:52] <Wildweasal> mencoder dvd://3 -vf crop=704:464:8:6,scale=704:304 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bvhq=1:chroma_opt:quant_type=mpeg:bitrate=800:pass=1 -oac copy -sid 0 -o /dev/null && mencoder dvd://3 -vf crop=704:464:8:6,scale=704:304 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bvhq=1:chroma_opt:quant_type=mpeg:bitrate=800:pass=2 -oac mp3lame -lameopts vbr=2:q=3 -sid 0 -o Output.Name.avi
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> VonGuard:  perhaps reset teh gnome panels back to defaults.
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel | VonGuard
[06:52] <Wildweasal> before you do this you must try mplayer dvd://1, mplayer dvd://2, etc
[06:52] <Wildweasal> to make sure you get the right track
[06:53] <Wildweasal> also when you are finding the right track, use the options:  -identify -vf cropdetect
[06:53] <rocket16> Does setting mode in Pidgin have any effect? I mean can the other people view that? And if yes, do they also need to use Pidgin?
[06:53] <Wildweasal> -identify will tell you if you have any available subtitles (i hardcoded the subs in the example with "-sid 0")
[06:53] <VonGuard> thank you ubottu
[06:53] <VonGuard> thank you dr_willis
[06:54] <Wildweasal> -vf cropdetect will tell you what your crop should be
[06:56] <emilio> algun latino
[06:57] <Jordan_U> !es | emilio
[06:59] <JohnFlux> Hi all
[06:59] <RJames> Hi.
[06:59] <JohnFlux> If I do "apt-get install anything"  it says it wants to remove half my system
[07:00] <JohnFlux> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[07:00] <JohnFlux> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 83 to remove and 8 not upgraded.
[07:00] <JohnFlux> why is it going crazy? :)
[07:00] <JohnFlux> actually even just typing: sudo aptitude install
[07:00] <JohnFlux> makes it do that
[07:01] <Petskull> ?
[07:01] <Petskull> weird
[07:01] <RJames> Question: Does anyone know if ubuntu 10.04 has a default user/password?  I just installed Ubuntu 10.04 on a USB flash drive and loaded it up.. and I'm at a login screen but don't know how to login.  I was not prompted for user/pass creation during install process.
[07:01] <Petskull> try putting nothing for a password
[07:01] <seanty> !fr
[07:02] <RJames> I tired nothing for user/password and it didn't work.
[07:02] <Petskull> I think the install *does* ask you for a user and pass
[07:04] <RJames> hmm.  I followed the steps located here http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook/get-ubuntu/download and was never prompted for a user/password
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  The only timve ive seen the live cd ask for a user/pass is when its goofed up. :) try 'ubuntu' with a blank password
[07:04] <greezmunkey> RJames: try username ubuntu pword == blank
[07:05] <greezmunkey> Hello Dr_Willis
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  how did you 'install' it to the usb?
[07:05] <Petskull> oh, I dunno about netbooks
[07:05] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: u here?
[07:05] <Petskull> try root/root?
[07:06] <RJames> I followed step 2 on the URL I linked..  which was to download the iso, and then use the universal usb installer
[07:06] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: ffmpeg: I/O error -> just renamed my file to video.vob, then ran the same command, and it works :)
[07:07] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: thanks for the help
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> rabbit1:  weird.
[07:07] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: yeap
[07:08] <RJames> root/root didn't work
[07:08] <RJames> ubuntu/blank didn't work
[07:08] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: may be it din't like the file name with lot of underscores in it ;)
[07:08] <RJames> I guess I can try an older iso
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  when we said 'blank' you do realuize we mean no password right? not 'blank' but ''   :)
[07:09] <Petskull> hey- it that the live CD?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  if you can get to the console you colud also try setting a password. 'sudo passwd ubuntu'
[07:09] <rabbit1> Dr_Willis: this helped me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793120
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  only time ive seen it asked for a password from live cd - is when X crashes or somthign weird happends
[07:10] <hnd> ok so this is a strange problem, i removed the nm-applet icon from the top panel in karmic by mistake, now i cant get it back
[07:10] <RJames> ya.. I tried 'ubuntu'/''
[07:10] <hnd> any help??
[07:10] <undecim> hnd: Look for the "indicator applet" in the add to toolbar dialog
[07:11] <etrisnanto> helllo
[07:12] <RJames> I guess I will try creating the usb image again.. without persistance
[07:12] <RJames> since that is the one step I varied from the instructions
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  that basically made a casper-rw file is all it did.
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  what tool did you use? the ubuntu disk-creator tool?
[07:12] <RJames> I'm not sure what casper-rw is
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  that IS the persistant save file :)
[07:13] <RJames> no it is called the universal usb installer (http://www.pendrivelinux.com/downloads/Universal-USB-Installer/Universal-USB-Installer.exe)
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> ever want to move a setup from one pendrive to otehr.. your persistant home is in casper-rw . want to access it from a normal install. mount the casper-rw via the Loop option of mount..
[07:13] <Alejandro89> Hi !! I need some help. Please!
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  you may want to try unetbootin - it does the basics.
[07:14] <undecim> !ask | Alejandro89
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> RJames:  it dont do persistant save however. last i checked. but thats easy to add.
[07:14] <RJames> you guys are way too smart
[07:14] <RJames> :)
[07:14] <abhi_nav> yes thats why we use ubuntu. :)
[07:15] <maxwellian> RJames: Hey, don't generalize like that.
[07:15] <RJames> haha.. sorry
[07:15] <maxwellian> RJames: I'm barely smart enough, at best.
[07:15] <RJames> is unetbootin available for windows?
[07:16] <rabbit1> abhi_nav: do u use ubuntu ?
[07:16] <undecim> RJames: Sure is
[07:16] <RJames> that's where I'm building my usb drive
[07:16] <Alejandro89> I dont know why, I was using Ubuntu and suddenly its log on (and gets "freeze"). I restarted the pc and it always gets "freeze" after the grub (when the ubuntu logo appears)
[07:16] <abhi_nav> rabbit1, yes ofcourse, because I am smart. ;)
[07:16]  * maxwellian checks to make sure he's in the #ubuntu channel, then scratches his head.
[07:16] <jackieyang> 大家好
[07:17] <hnd> ok so this is a strange problem, i removed the nm-applet icon from the top panel in karmic by mistake, now i cant get it back
[07:17] <hnd>  any help??
[07:17] <maxwellian> hnd: Did you try the suggestion from earlier?
[07:17] <undecim> hnd: Right click on the panel, click "Add to Panel" and add the "indicator apple"
[07:18] <hnd> i had restart my comp so couldnt get wht you said
[07:18] <RJames> ok.. well I'll give this usb utility I have one more try.. and then it's unetbootin for me.   Too be honest.. my netbook with XP on it went south.. and after trying to get XP back on there with a USB install several times and failing.. I said screw this.  I'm putting something cool on there. Alas.. now I'm having ubuntu trouble.
[07:18] <undecim> hnd: Or it may "notification area"... I always confuse the two
[07:18] <abhi_nav> !cn > jackieyang
[07:18] <Alejandro89> Ubuntu doesnt logs in.
[07:18] <canplaythegame> does anyone know any mame rooms
[07:19] <abhi_nav> 'mame'?
[07:19] <maxwellian> !cn > maxwellian
[07:19] <Alejandro89> Sorry, Ubuntu cant log in.
[07:19] <canplaythegame> yup mame
[07:19] <hnd> undecim: thnx that worked "notificaion area"
[07:19] <hnd> :D
[07:19] <maxwellian> Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator.  Or something.
[07:19] <canplaythegame> yes
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> canplaythegame:  theres dozens of mame webs sites. that may mention some irc channels. ive not noticed any on freenode
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> canplaythegame:  or try #mame
[07:20] <canplaythegame> tried
[07:20] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Heh, I just created that channel... ;)
[07:20] <canplaythegame> will look on website for channells
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> canplaythegame:  You having a spcific issue with mame? Its very well documented.
[07:21] <Alejandro89> what are the differences between the normal ubuntu start and the command "startx"? (I cant log in a "normal mode")
[07:21] <canplaythegame> nah just after info on roms not working with certain mame versions
[07:21] <maxwellian> canplaythegame: Bleh...you're in the wrong part of town. :)
[07:22] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: What happens when you turn on the computer?  You don't get a login screen eventually?
[07:22] <nOgAnOo> WHEEEEEEEEEW
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Alejandro89:  really shouldent be any differances. startx can read/use some different config files .Xstartup or .xinitrc so it could start up a different desktop if you set it up that way
[07:22] <nOgAnOo> I HAVE NEVER USED NIX
[07:22] <maxwellian> nOgAnOo: Turn off your caps lock.
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> !manual | nOgAnOo
[07:23] <nOgAnOo> I'VE REINSTALLED WINDOWS OVER 200 TIMES
[07:23] <maxwellian> !caps
[07:23] <nOgAnOo> WHY ARE YOU WHISPERING
[07:25] <codebrainz> can you guys keep it down, I'm trying to sleep over here
[07:25] <toshiuba> anyone have sucess in installing cheops-ng
[07:25] <maxwellian> codebrainz: :)
[07:25] <Petskull> who needs irc channels?
[07:25] <Alejandro89> maxwllian: The Ubuntu icon appears and doesnt log. But if a select in grub "Log Ubuntu in fail-test mode", I wrote in the terminal "startx" and then, Ubuntu (the graphic mode really) starts. (Sorry for my bad English)
[07:25] <codebrainz> Petskull, irc bots
[07:25] <Petskull> ah
[07:26] <nOgAnOo> so this is the largest channel on the galactic communications?
[07:26] <Petskull> um... yes?
[07:26] <nOgAnOo> I have a large OS collection.. never installed ubuntu media yet tho
[07:26] <codebrainz> nOgAnOo, no time like the present
[07:26] <nOgAnOo> I love you guys
[07:27] <nOgAnOo> Usually I am banned in t-2 minutes
[07:27] <greenjon> !hi | nOgAnOo
[07:27] <Petskull> can't see why
[07:27] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: So if you just start up normally, the Ubuntu logo comes on, and it just sits there?  The login screen never comes up?
[07:29] <RocketLauncher> sup qb
[07:29] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: I have only one user and it logs automatically (when Ubuntu works fine). But now, it gets stuck in the Ubuntu loading screen.
[07:30] <RJames_> little connection mishap: I'll repeat my question since I may have missed any responses.  Isn't there a key-combo to exit the gui and bring up a console?
[07:30] <RocketLauncher> hey qb can I use Unetbootin on my second hard drive so i can boot Ubuntu livecd from it and install it on the same hard drive it's booting from
[07:30] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: What happened right before it stopped working?  Did you install something, uninstall something?
[07:30] <RocketLauncher> kthx qb
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  alt-ctrl-f1 through f6 will go to the console. but not close X.
[07:30] <etrisnanto>   hi...
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  alt-ctrl-F7 should go back to X.  simetimes its F8 or F9
[07:31] <etrisnanto> ok understood,...tks
[07:32] <Ego_Proctor> if I want to run a BASH script on startup were should I call it from?
[07:32] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: I was installing the "xbmc Media Center" from the "Software Center" of Ubuntu.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  depends on what its doing.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  and what you mean by 'startup' - boot up? user log in time?
[07:34] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis I am having issues with my sound.  It starts muted, but the system thinks it is unmuted and on full.
[07:34] <Ego_Proctor> This happens both at startup and log in
[07:35] <RJames_> ctrl-alt-f7 took me back....
[07:35] <RJames_> and I want to take this time to say thanks to all you question answer'ers
[07:35] <RJames_> i <3 you
[07:35] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis I am hoping that a script that calls alsa set Master mute and then alsa set Master 100% will fix it, but I need to take affect at start.
[07:35] <codebrainz> less than three!?
[07:36] <RJames_> that is one interpretaion.. yese
[07:36] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, and at and change in session and login
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  make a script in the users bin dir.  make it get launched by the system->perferances -> startup applications   and see.
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  test it with just a script first perhaps.
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Ive notived that the volume mixer app sais mine is muted now. even tho its not. :) the icon is wrong.
[07:37] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: In one of the tries to enter Ubuntu, I could read the following message: "Fatal server error: no screens found"
[07:37] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: This is after trying 'startx'?
[07:38] <toshiuba> try the safemodle
[07:38] <iman> where is apache cgi-bin in ubuntu to run perl in web ?
[07:38] <codebrainz> Dr_Willis, the whole sound system is wrong :)
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> codebrainz:  i rarely have any issues.
[07:39] <codebrainz> iman, /usr/lib/cgi-bin, if that's what you mean
[07:39] <codebrainz> Dr_Willis, you are lucky then :)
[07:40] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, I am not running gnome by default, I am running openbox, so is there a way to test it in openbox  or should I just go back to gnome and test it there?
[07:40] <iman> codebrainz: yeah i think so
[07:40] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, er I know there is a way to test it in openbox, but will it be easier to test it in gnome..?
[07:40] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: No, it was when I tried to enter in the "fails-test mode" and selected in the list "fails-test mode" (or similar) again. Then, I choose "Normal mode" in that list and it allows me to write in the terminal. I write "startx" and Ubuntu starts perfect.
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  make a launcher/menu item that runs the script
[07:41] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Okay, I've never had this issue, but my understanding is that you should not have to run 'startx' yourself.
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  or use the terminal
[07:41] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, someone in the #alsa channel told me to play with /etc/init.d/rc.local  is that advised?
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  you can put the script/commands in there also. but thats system wide. and may or may not work
[07:42] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, I have tested it to make sure it works, I just need it to do so at login...
[07:42] <codebrainz> maxwellian, if you use a DM like gdm or kdm, otherwise you need to startx yourself
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  the alsa service stuff should save/restore that.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  try it in rc.local and see.
[07:42] <codebrainz> Ego_Proctor, add it to your ~/.xinitrc file
[07:42] <maxwellian> codebrainz: So you log in through the terminal, and then run startx, and that will get your desktop environment going?
[07:42] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, ok, I just saw that it was a very sparce file and didn't want to F it up
[07:42] <codebrainz> maxwellian, correct
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  how are you launching openbox anyway? via startx? or gdm?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  rc.local does nothing by default. :)
[07:43] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Neat.  I thought startx was only for the X Server, but I guess not.
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> Ego_Proctor:  it 'exits':) put commands befor the exit command
[07:43] <codebrainz> maxwellian, it runs your .xinitrc and some other files that get the WM up and running
[07:43] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: I agree with you. I have installed Ubuntu normally (I think that gdm was installed).
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking 'startx' now looks for .Xsession and somthing else  befor it looks for .xinitrc these days on ubuntu
[07:43] <zus> i can not seem to get the facebook chat going in empathy?
[07:44] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Cool, thanks.  Good to know!
[07:44] <Rp3> wrong size case has stoped my build tonight, oh well to return and continue tomorrow....  :)
[07:44] <Ego_Proctor> Dr_Willis, ok thanks...  ;)
[07:45] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: I'm Googling around a bit.  We will probably have to do some reconfiguring of gdm.
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  screw the MB and parts to some plywood and wallmount it. :)
[07:45] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Give me a minute to read a thread...
[07:46] <Rp3> Dr_Willis, that thought crossed my mind... I need to read more on SSD drives and mounting /home on other drives, etc... plus too many beers now.. :)
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  drinking and
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  drinking and 'hard driving' dont mix. :)
[07:46] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Nice. :)
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  aspare /home on its own HD is always handy.   /boot/ not so much these days
[07:47] <Rp3> Dr_Willis, no worries just building but this build came to a quick halt... :)
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  theres also some new options comming out (or are out?) for Solide State Drives to gain some performacne
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  but ive never used those  Yet.
[07:48] <Rp3> Dr_Willis, got a 32GID SSD for 50 bux so I thought I would give it a go on my GF's new machine... :)
[07:48] <Rp3> GIG
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  thats nice. :) i hope the prices on those things drop real real real fast.
[07:48] <codebrainz> i never wait for my harddrive :)
[07:48] <mneptok>  /boot should always be a separate partition if you use LVM and/or disk crypto
[07:49] <Rp3> Dr_Willis, they are, FRYS rocks, not sure where you are, but they are great.. :)
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> Rp3:  we got one nearby.  I just tend to need space more then i need speed.
[07:50] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Are you on a different computer than the Ubuntu one with the login issue?
[07:50] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: No.
[07:50] <Rp3> Dr_Willis, 10-4, I Have same issue, Mom & Dad give me "OLD" machines all the time, so I have 10 or so on my network..  Got my mom converted to Ubuntu almost...
[07:50] <Rp3> trying to get my dad now, he is strugling wiht winblows.
[07:51] <iksf> linuxphobic?
[07:52] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: So how are you talking to us now?  You ran startx?
[07:52] <greezmunkey> Dr_Willis: I'm still having issues with ssd's only bein able to take a limited number of write operations before they are inoperable. If that gets solved you can say goodbye to spinning platters.
[07:52] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: Exactly, I ran startx.
[07:53] <abuayyoub> Hi, I have a question if someone can help me. I live in a non English speaking country so whenever I go to google, facebook etc, or recently when using Gwibber it dosen't load in English. I assume it's because of my IP, how can I change this so English is default all over my system?
[07:54] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: And I forget, did you say that before this problem started happening, you were using automatic login?  In other words, you weren't entering your password to log in?
[07:54] <etrisnanto> hello
[07:54] <maxwellian> abuayyoub: You'd have to use a proxy, I think.
[07:54] <Ego_Proctor> Rp3, hey winblows adds a great deal to the US economy, without it here would be no great need for virus scanners, Geeks squad, armies of MS network admins, and who knows how many other jobs that have been created to prop up that great diseased whale of an operating system
[07:54] <maxwellian> abuayyoub: If they are switching on your IP.
[07:55] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, you can try to dpkg-reconfigure gdm, failing that you could try apt-get --reinstall --purge install gdm.  some things to try
[07:55] <abuayyoub> maxwellian: well, the IP is of my host country, which is not english.So when I load Facebook in Gwibber for example its in another language.
[07:55] <`Gumby> hi all.  Im trying to get my Alps touchpad working on my Sony Vaio.  I cant seem to figure out how to get it to work.  Read quite a few forums posts but most seem to be for other models.   I didnt know anything like "startx" two hours ago. I have this problem and then, put the live cd and start searching in the internet. Now, I can start ubuntu but only with the "startx" command.
[07:55] <asianmale> abuayyoub: non-english countries suck
[07:55] <blaze||> hello is it possible to have windows boot up by default on a dual boot with ubuntu and windows
[07:55] <maxwellian> abuayyoub: Exactly, so if you were using an http proxy located in the US, they would think you were there.
[07:56] <abuayyoub> asianmale:  lol
[07:56] <quentin> hi. I need help with xorg.conf. I chose to enable the nvidia driver and now it's not recognizing my monitor. Before I have been told to delete xorg.conf when this happens and it worked. This time I deleted it and now things are worse. Nothing loads.
[07:56] <`Gumby> quentin: do you have console access?
[07:56] <codebrainz> `Gumby, my vaio has alps *i think* and it works ok.  not that that helps :)
[07:56] <abuayyoub> maxwellian: I understand, but do i really need to go threw all that just to change my language settings?
[07:56] <asianmale> abuayyoub: lol all you want fuck-pig. Im serious...deadly serious. (yes that's a threat of violence)
[07:56] <maxwellian> abuayyoub: They're not your language settings.
[07:57] <`Gumby> codebrainz, yeah, lol.  there are issues with the newer models, specifically the F series
[07:57] <toshiuba> you can use a poxy
[07:57] <maxwellian> abuayyoub: Google's not asking you where you live, it's assuming, based on your IP.
[07:57] <abuayyoub> can someone ban this askanmale troll please?
[07:57] <toshiuba> proxy
[07:57] <quentin> `Gumby: I had a blinking cursor, but I couldn't type anything. Right now I'm using the install disk live to talk in here.
[07:58] <Alejandro89> codebrainz, maxwellian: I tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm" and the output was (translated): /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: gdm is broken or it is not tottally installed
[07:58] <Flannel> asianmale: Stop, now.
[07:58] <codebrainz> abuayyoub, i think there's a way to flag the ops.  anyway, use something like TOR or a proxy server in another country
[07:58] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Oh, good.  That's probably the issue then. :)
[07:58] <abuayyoub> asianmale is a troll can someone ban him please?
[07:58] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, do the second command i said
[07:58] <codebrainz> whats the ubottu thing for ops
[07:58] <`Gumby> quentin: ah, your best bet is to chroot then and run nvidia-xconfig
[07:59] <abuayyoub> codebrainz: yea, I dont have a problem with proxys its jsut that I assumed it would be easier than having to do all that.
[07:59] <abuayyoub> thanks anyhow
[07:59] <maxwellian> abuayyoub: If you understand the cause, then you know it can't be easier than that. :)
[07:59] <Alejandro89> codebrainz: Sorry for the ignorance. The command is: "apt-get --reinstall --purge" and then "install gdm" or "apt-get --reinstall --purge install gdm"?
[07:59] <codebrainz> abuayyoub, i think that's the only way, because the sites will always see your remote address
[07:59] <`Gumby> quentin: actually... you probably dont even need to chroot.. install the nvidia drivers via the livecd, run nvidia-xconfig and then copy the xorg.conf it creates to your root partition after mounting it
[07:59] <swordfish_> any one tell me what is TOR?
[08:00] <toshiuba> where you see it?
[08:00] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, apt-get --reinstall --purge install gdm
[08:00] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Don't worry, you're doing great. :)
[08:00] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, should totally remove and then reinstall gdm from scratch
[08:00] <tsooi> I believe TOR is a limited anonymizer of sorts, works inside TOR networks but not at the edge or outside it
[08:00] <quentin> `Gumby: Ok. I'm gonna try it.
[08:00] <`Gumby> quentin: you know how to do all that?
[08:02] <quentin> `Gumby: I'm not so good with the command line. I might be able to just use synaptic to get the driver installed.
[08:02] <`Gumby> quentin: yeah, thats the easy part ;)
[08:03] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: The output its very long, but It says that "xbmc-live" have errors !! It should be deleted from the "Software Center". Have to do a reboot?
[08:03] <abhi_nav> swordfish_, http://www.torproject.org/
[08:03] <`Gumby> you're better off opening the "Hardware Drivers" though
[08:03] <swordfish_> thankyou
[08:03] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, sudo reboot  (but I'd remove that package while you're in there)
[08:03] <quentin> `Gumby: which version of nvidia should I install. when things got messed up earlier I had installed nvidia-current.
[08:05] <Alejandro89> codebrainz: I dont understand "but I'd remove that package while you're in there". Can you re-write it in a different way?
[08:05] <codebrainz> quentin, i think there's a Jocket utility for text-mode 'jockey-text' probably
[08:05] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: 'sudo apt-get remove --purge xbmc-live'
[08:05] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, sure, apt-get remove --purge xbmc-live
[08:05] <codebrainz> heh
[08:05] <`Gumby> quentin: can you mount your root partition?
[08:05] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Actually, do you think he should purge?
[08:06] <codebrainz> maxwellian, sure, why not, if it doesn't work anyway :)
[08:06] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: Ok, done! Then, sudo reboot.
[08:06] <quentin> codebrainz: how would I use 'jocky-text'
[08:06] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Well I'm just hoping something went wrong during the install.
[08:06] <Zeu5> hi there, how do i create a launcher such that when i click on it, it runs the terminal window and navigates to a particular directory and does a "ls -la" WITHOUT closing the terminal window? i googled abit, but all i get are links telling me how to create keyboard shortcuts for terminal. that is NOT wat i want.
[08:06] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Yup, good luck!
[08:06] <codebrainz> quentin, i've not used it, but it should be a friendly way to install the binary drivers
[08:07] <quentin> `Gumby: I ran nautilus in root to get to the xorg.conf. that's how I deleted it.
[08:07] <codebrainz> maxwellian, nothing an apt-get -f install can't fix :)
[08:07] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Heh. :)
[08:07] <maxwellian> codebrainz: I've never used that option, hopefully never will.
[08:07] <codebrainz> quentin, i think dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will re-generate a clean xorg.conf file
[08:08] <maxwellian> codebrainz: APT dependency resolution is black magic to me.
[08:08] <codebrainz> maxwellian, my understanding is it's just the text-mode version of the proprietary drivers thing in gnome (jocket-gtk)
[08:08] <`Gumby> quentin: if you have an xorg.conf in /etc/X11 on your root partition you can change Driver "nvidia" to Driver "nv" and X will probably work
[08:08] <codebrainz> maxwellian, oops, i misunderstood
[08:08] <`Gumby> codebrainz: he'll have to chroot to do that
[08:08] <codebrainz> maxwellian, it just fixes broken dependencies afaik
[08:08] <`Gumby> codebrainz: or copy what it gives him to his root drive
[08:08] <swordfish_> hi i have something to share open prompt and type yes
[08:09] <maxwellian> codebrainz: If it says, "Sorry, I can't do that Dave.", I say, "No problem, don't worry." and back away slowly.
[08:09] <`Gumby> why not just edit the existing xorg.conf
[08:09] <codebrainz> `Gumby, he deleted it afaik
[08:09] <`Gumby> yeah I see that now
[08:09] <`Gumby> nvidia-xconfig would be a better option I think
[08:09] <`Gumby> but, both will work
[08:09] <codebrainz> maxwellian, just give it the daily sacrificial lamb and you're cool
[08:10] <`Gumby> if X is simply the desired result
[08:10]  * maxwellian snaps his fingers, "I knew I was forgetting something!"
[08:10] <codebrainz> `Gumby, assuming access to Xorg
[08:10] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: How'd it go?
[08:10] <`Gumby> yeah, he'll need to mount the root partition
[08:10] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: Mmm...It didnt works.
[08:11] <codebrainz> `Gumby, i wasn't paying close attention, i though he could boot into text-mode on his main install :)
[08:11] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: What happened this time?  Same exact thing as before?
[08:11] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Any difference is important.
[08:12] <`Gumby> he said he got nothing but a bliking cursor but could probably get there via recovery, but.. if he is already in a livecd, why not just mount his root partition and create a new xorg.conf
[08:12] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: Im here again with the "startx" command. Exactly the same, its get stuck in the ubuntu logo.
[08:12] <swordfish_> i need a swap partition ,but i have installed ubuntu .......so i need make from the ubuntu partition ...can any one help me
[08:12] <codebrainz> maxwellian, i think his x/gfx/config is not working so it keeps dropping back to gdm and auto-logging in again, maybe
[08:13] <Compiling> swordfish: if you have ubuntu installed you already have a swap partition
[08:13] <mik__> someone can help me to install the plugins flashplayer and java on ubuntu 10.04  64 bit ?
[08:13] <codebrainz> swordfish_, use gparted (better from the livecd)
[08:13] <^Jay2^> sta drivers cant be used with 2.6.34 :( help me please
[08:13] <Compiling> mik__: are they not in software center?
[08:13] <mik__> no
[08:13] <swordfish_> not like that
[08:13] <Compiling> well explain yourself
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> !java | mik__
[08:13] <Compiling> we dont read minds
[08:14] <`Gumby> !flash
[08:14] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Hmm...the config should be default now, shouldn't be a problem?
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> mik__:  install 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' and i think that will pull in java and some otehr parts you proberly want
[08:14] <Guest90503> hmm
[08:14] <quentin> `Gumby: and codebrainz: I did the reconfigure in the terminal. I now have a new xorg.conf and the driver says "vesa"
[08:14] <mneptok> Compiling: a swap partition is not requisite during an Ubuntu installation.
[08:14] <Compiling> sun-java6-jre and icedtea is what youre probably looking for
[08:15] <codebrainz> maxwellian, something with the X/gfx not working, Alejandro89 mentioned an X error, right?
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> quentin:  vesa is the very bottom of the line failsafe driver. :)
[08:15] <`Gumby> quentin: so you know how to mount your root partition?
[08:15] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: While everything works okay, the ubuntu logo appears (for 3 seconds aprox) and then Ubuntu log in. Now, the logo screens appeared and blinked one time and then gets stucked.
[08:15] <`Gumby> so/do
[08:15] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Oh sorry, I misread your first thing about gfx.
[08:15] <codebrainz> maxwellian, Alejandro89 but X does work, so it's weird
[08:15] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Sorry, meant to direct that to codebrainz.
[08:15] <mik__> tanks willis, i try.....
[08:15] <quentin> `Gumby: I guess. I just used sudo nautilus and went from there.
[08:16] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, the only thing i can suggest is to apt-get remove --purge gdm && apt-get install kdm
[08:16] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, it's not really a fix though
[08:16] <`Gumby> quentin: ok, so you have no problem taking the xorg.conf from the livecd and putting it in your root etc/X11/ then?
[08:16] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Just hang on a sec, let me poke around my own config files.
[08:16] <`Gumby> quentin: edit the file and change vesa to nv
[08:17] <quentin> Dr_Willis: I tried using the nvidia driver and it wouldn't recognize my monitor.
[08:17] <RJames_> ok.. trying unetbootin to build my USB drive.... using ubuntu-10.04-netbook-i386.iso.  We'll see how this goes.
[08:17] <quentin> `Gumby: I will try nv instead of vesa
[08:17] <^Jay2^> no one here uses kernel 2.6.34 in 10.04??? :(
[08:17] <codebrainz> quentin, how did you install the drivers?
[08:18] <Guest90503> ^Jay2^:why
[08:18] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: I did again now: "apt-get --reinstall --purge install gdm" and it do some things. No more the error message.
[08:18] <`Gumby> quentin: good luck!!  should work no problem
[08:18] <^Jay2^> Guest90503: my broadcom sta drivers stopped working with the new kernel
[08:18] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Ohhhh...it needed us to remove the other package before it could do a proper reinstall of gdm, maybe.
[08:19] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Try a reboot now, see if that helped.
[08:19] <Guest90503> ^Jay2^: what is sta
[08:19] <quentin> codebrainz: I used the Hardware Drivers selection under System->Administration
[08:19] <^Jay2^> Guest90503: broadcom proprietary driver
[08:19] <quentin> `Gumby: thanks
[08:19] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: Ok, see you soon. I will try the sudo reboot.
[08:20] <Guest90503> ^Jay2^: try Administration-->Hardware Drivers
[08:20] <^Jay2^> it wont activate
[08:20] <^Jay2^> there's an error
[08:20] <codebrainz> quentin, i had good success with installing the drivers from nvidia, bit of a pain though
[08:20] <`Gumby> !skype
[08:20] <Guest90503> how u upgrade a kernel
[08:20] <Compiling> !icedtea
[08:20] <Compiling> o
[08:20] <gryllida> Guest90503: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Guest90503:  if theres a new version in the repos 'sudo apt-get upgrade'  or 'dist-upgrade' should insatll it
[08:21] <gryllida> I think
[08:21] <gryllida> the current one ends in 23
[08:21] <Guest90503> but that wud upgrade distro
[08:21] <^Jay2^> the current one is 2.6.32
[08:21] <gryllida> its kernel
[08:21] <gryllida> oh
[08:21] <gryllida> 32
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> Guest90503:  and what version of ubuntu are you using?
[08:21] <^Jay2^> yeah
[08:21] <Guest90503> 10.04
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> 2.6.32-23-generic\
[08:21] <^Jay2^> i am using 2.6.34 but this disabled my wifi
[08:21] <^Jay2^> lol
[08:22] <gryllida> ^Jay2^: How do I know my version?
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> Guest90503: that command will NOT upgrade you to 10.10 at this time.
[08:22] <^Jay2^> system>administration>system monitor
[08:22] <^Jay2^> then first tab
[08:22] <gryllida> Dr_Willis: I remember something like that, ending in 23, indeed.
[08:22] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Is there a command to do that?
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> Guest90503:  dist-upgrade i find is needed for some of the mnore critical parts of the OS. if they are 'held back'
[08:22] <prince_jammys> !version | gryllida
[08:22] <Zeu5> hi there, how do i create a launcher such that when i click on it, it runs the terminal window and navigates to a particular directory and does a "ls -la" WITHOUT closing the terminal window? i googled abit, but all i get are links telling me how to create keyboard shortcuts for terminal. that is NOT wat i want.
[08:22] <quentin> codebrainz: thanks to you too. I'm trying the rename of vesa to nv, and I am now restarting.
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  to upgrade to 10.10 - thers proberly some ways to do it.. but i dont bother. :)
[08:22] <gryllida> hm
[08:23] <prince_jammys> gryllida: and ''uname -r'' for kernel
[08:23] <codebrainz> quentin, someone else suggested that, but good luck, it should work
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> Zeu5:  make a script that does it.. 3 commands, cd /whever,  ls -al , read foobar
[08:23] <Guest90503> ^Jay2^: i think u need to reinstall lucid
[08:23] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: I mean, is there non-graphical way to upgrade the Ubuntu distro?
[08:23] <opij> im trying to understand what a build environment is. is it a setting where you can compile software? is that all it is?
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> Zeu5:  then make a launcher that does 'xterm -e yourscript'
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  proberly is. but i rarely upgrade releases.
[08:23] <maxwellian> Guest90503: Gah, what?  Reinstall?
[08:23] <^Jay2^> Guest90503: i dont want to do that. lol
[08:23] <opij> !build environment > opij
[08:23] <Guest90503> how can i change my nick here...it not changing with /nick..
[08:23] <Guest90503> im on empathy
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> Guest90503:  try harder.. try a different nick. or try a different irc client. :)
[08:24] <opij> Guest1465: get another irc client
[08:24] <gryllida> Guest90503: /nick should work, what eror message do you get
[08:24] <gryllida> Guest90503: sudo apt-get install irssi
[08:24] <alteregoa> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[08:24] <gryllida> :P
[08:24] <maxwellian> hahah: Oh, much better. :P
[08:24] <hahah> ok
[08:24] <hahah> it waz not changing to hahaha
[08:24] <gryllida> hahah: yay it worked
[08:25] <maxwellian> hahah: Anyway, wireless is, in my experience, the trickiest part of Ubuntu, especially for new users.
[08:25] <hahah> ping
[08:25] <prince_jammys> pong
[08:25] <opij> gryllida: could you tell me what a build environment is
[08:25] <hahah> i think there is hahaha registered
[08:25] <RJames_> whoa
[08:25] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: Yeah !! It works. All I have to do is a "sudo reboot" lol haha (Its a joke, I perfectly understand all the intentions in every step). Thank you again, guys, you rock !!! Greetings from Uruguay !
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> wireless for my last 3 laptops - just 'worked' on 10.10 :) less hassles then i had in windows..
[08:25] <Zeu5> Dr_Willis: i did exactly as you said. the launcher is open as applicatin or application in terminal?
[08:25] <alteregoa> darmok and jalad at tanagra!
[08:25] <codebrainz> Alejandro89, glad to hear it
[08:25] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Glad it worked! :)  I guess you should stay away from the media center thing for now... :)
[08:26] <gryllida> opij: like... IDE
[08:26] <gryllida> ?
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> Zeu5:  open in terminal, would skip the xterm -e step.. try them both and see how they work.
[08:26] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Although it might be a good idea to file a bug report.
[08:26] <dugger5688> Who was it that wanted to upgrade to 10.10?
[08:26] <maxwellian> dugger5688: No one, but how do you do it, dugger5688?
[08:26] <dugger5688> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/05/how-to-upgrade-to-ubuntu-1010-maverick.html
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> Zeu5:  i tend to use the xterm -bg red -fg blue -e whatever,. all the time so i can have differnt apps start up in differnt color xterms.
[08:26] <dugger5688> But I wouldn't...
[08:26] <RJames_> after using unetbootin and trying to load ubuntu that way... now I'm getting tons of errors on the console (SQUASHFS error: unable to read page cache xxxxx).  That mean I have a bad USB drive?
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  or a bad iso file.
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  or perjhaps bad ram? that would be wweird
[08:27] <RJames_> grrr.
[08:27] <hahah> i have a doubt...if ubuntu keep giving a distro every 6months...i keep on hopping on the ditro...all the exiting programs are lost...is there a way to retain in new dist
[08:27] <abhi_nav> opij, if you are talking about ide i.e. itentegrated development environement then e.g. ecipse see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment
[08:27] <prince_jammys> Zeu5: xterm -e bash -c 'cd particular_directory && ls -la; exec bash'
[08:27] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: How can I do that?
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  you can clone your list of installed apps.. and reisntall them
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> !clone | hahah
[08:27] <codebrainz> RJames_, I'd check the md5 of your ISO
[08:28] <RJames_> kk
[08:28] <prince_jammys> Zeu5: or whatever terminal you like to use, with its appropriate -e flag.
[08:28] <alteregoa> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[08:28] <hahah> THanks Dr_Willis will try..will it reatin my installed app in karmic to lucid
[08:28] <gryllida> alteregoa: ?
[08:28] <hahah> am gonna upgrade
[08:28] <alteregoa> his arms wide
[08:28] <hahah> *retain
[08:29] <maxwellian> hahah: It will remove things that are no longer supported.
[08:29] <gryllida> alteregoa: whose?
[08:29] <maxwellian> hahah: I believe.
[08:29] <alteregoa> darmok
[08:29] <Zeu5> prince_jammys:  thank you. you gave me a very simple solution. appreciate it.
[08:29] <maxwellian> hahah: But that's not usually a problem.
[08:29] <gryllida> alteregoa: who's darmok?
[08:29] <Zeu5> Dr_Willis: thank you
[08:29] <prince_jammys> Zeu5: welcome.
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  it will 'reinstall' the apps you had installed befor.
[08:29] <hahah> will that download stuf
[08:30] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> Zeu5:  if you want xterm to stay open at a terminal priompt use that exec bash trick showed by prince_jammys , if you want it to 'close' when you hit enter  use 'read foo'
[08:30] <abhi_nav> hey while trying to install google desktop i get this error: Failed to run gdebi-gtk '--non-interactive' '/home/abhijit/Softwares/google-desktop-linux_current_amd64.deb' as user root
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  it will REINSTALL THE APPS.. so Yes.
[08:30] <abhi_nav> any sulutino guys
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  you are saving a LIST of what you had installed...
[08:31] <abhi_nav> ohhhh osryy soryy i got it sorry
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> abhi_nav:  try 'sudo gdebi /home/abhijit/Softwares/google-desktop-linux_current_amd64.deb'
[08:31] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: Ok, I wiil do it.
[08:31] <Alejandro89> maxwellian, codebrainz: Thanks again, what you do is very useful. Good bye !
[08:31] <alteregoa> shaka when the walls fell
[08:31] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Thanks, bye!
[08:31] <quentin> I am back. My monitor is now recognized but I can't change the resolution. much of the interface is off screen so I'll probably have to change the res
[08:31] <hahah> is there a way to convert 32bit iso to 64bit iso...ie x64 version from x32
[08:31] <codebrainz> quentin, are you using the proprietary drivers now?
[08:31] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Actually, now that you know how to fix it, you should try the media thing again.
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  No. You dont convert 32bit to 64 or visa versa
[08:32] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: To see if it happens again.
[08:32] <RJames_> ok.. this is embarrasing, but I don't know where to find the md5 value for my iso.  Is it inside the ISO itself?  I don't see it on the download page.
[08:32] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: No point filing a bug if it was not really a bug, but something that just got goofed when you installed the media thing.
[08:32] <codebrainz> maxwellian, or just use MythTV :)
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  theres a md5 file on the servers somewhere with a list of them all.
[08:32] <alteregoa> darmok and jalad at tanagra
[08:32] <hahah> no i mean ...i have lucid desktop x32 iso file...is there any trick to change it to x6
[08:32] <RJames_> hmm
[08:32] <Dargon> when i set up a virtual server in apache, its setting that document root for all the servers, input?
[08:33] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Heh, or that. :)  As far as gadgets and hooking up doohickeys goes, I'm clueless.
[08:33] <Sego> Rjames: don't be embarresed, we are learning by watching too :)
[08:33] <codebrainz> RJames_, paste the link where you downloaded the iso and we'll find you the md5 if it's there
[08:33]  * Petskull learns by watching porn
[08:33] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: But, the xmbc works perfectly. I have installed it some weeks ago. Today, I see the "xbmc live package" and tried to install it. Then, the bug appeared.
[08:34] <quentin> codebrainz: I am using the nv which I assume is nvidia. Only thing is, when I go to the nvidia config tool It tells me I don't appear to be using the nvidia-x-driver
[08:34] <hahah> and 32bit lucid shows only 2.9gb ram :(
[08:34] <RJames_> http://www.ubuntu.com/netbook/get-ubuntu/download
[08:34] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Right, so before you submit a bug, I would try the process again.
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  and how much ram do you have exactly?
[08:34] <codebrainz> quentin, i think you're using the open source one
[08:34] <Dargon> anyone able to help me with an apache problem?
[08:34] <`Gumby> quentin: you are using the nv driver which is the open source driver, not the nvidia binary driver
[08:34] <prince_jammys> quentin: nv is an open source driver. you want the one called 'nvidia'
[08:34] <hahah> 4gb
[08:34] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: The first thing the developers are going to try to do is reproduce it, and if it can't be reproduced, it's not going to get much attention.
[08:35] <maxwellian> Dargon: How did you install apache?
[08:35] <Dargon> apt-get
[08:35] <`Gumby> quentin: I am willing to guess that the nvidia driver isnt recognizing the EDID of your monitor and X isnt starting properly
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  with exactly 4 gb. there is some lost due to hardware/video/issues. but  1.1 gb seems a little high - unless your video card is taking a lot of it
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  try a 64bit live cd. and see what it 'sees'
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  if you ah ce a 64bit capable cpu. I would suggest using 64bit anyway
[08:35] <hahah> i hear 32bit cannot address more than 3gb
[08:35] <alteregoa> darmok and jalad at tanagra!
[08:36] <Dargon> maxwellian, apt-get install apache-mpm-prefork
[08:36] <maxwellian> Dargon: Have you set up a site, i.e., you have something in sites-enabled?
[08:36] <quentin> `Gumby: yes. it has recognized it before, but I have installed lucid lynx  and now it doesn't
[08:36] <hahah> then can i install 32bit deb packages
[08:36] <RJames_> looks like when I hit the download button.. it actually redirects to a random mirror
[08:36] <Dargon> maxwellian, no, im using apache2.conf for everything
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  32bit has max ram limitations - yes. but its 4gb limit I think. and there are other things to watch out for.
[08:36] <iflema> RJames_ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  ive rarely see things taht are '32bit' only these days.
[08:37] <RJames_> cool! thanks iflema.
[08:37] <Dargon> maxwellian, is that my problem?
[08:37] <maxwellian> Dargon: I'm sure there's a good reason to have config files split up, but I guess it's your call. :)
[08:37] <nomad77> hahah: install the server kernel maybe
[08:37] <maxwellian> Dargon: Anyway, you have a DocRoot?
[08:37] <Dargon> yes
[08:37] <codebrainz> iflema, good find :)
[08:37] <Dargon> maxwellian, yes
[08:37] <Alejandro89> maxwellian: Ok, I will re do it. It will reboot the computer by force like the last time. But I will write down the process to solve it. Bye !
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> 64bit kernel/system has better performacen then a 32bit system + pae kernel. from what ive read.
[08:38] <maxwellian> Alejandro89: Thanks, that's great!  Later!
[08:38] <quentin> codebrainz, prince_jammys: installing the proprietary drivers is what got me here with no monitor recognition. now with the open source one my resolution is so huge a good portion of interface is off screen.
[08:38] <maxwellian> Dargon: Okay, so what's your question?  You can set up your cgi-bin wherever you want, but it's usually just below the DocRoot.
[08:38] <hahah> which filesystem is better ext3 or ext4
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  whjen in doubt. use the defaults..
[08:39] <gryllida> ext4
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  and ext4 is the default now
[08:39] <gryllida> ext4 is newer version
[08:39] <prince_jammys> !resolution | quentin
[08:39] <hahah> so i have to use a / of ext4
[08:39] <hahah> for lucid
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  you dont HAVE to.. but its the default.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  do you ahve a reason to use ext3 ?
[08:39] <hahah> i dont have etx3
[08:40] <hahah> i dont have ext4
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  you are not making any sence.
[08:40] <hahah> i have to create in the partitioner
[08:40] <maxwellian> Is anyone else seeing a '?' in ubottu's factoid up there?
[08:40] <hahah> sry
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  so make a partition, tell it to be ext4
[08:40] <nomad77> quentin: if all else fails,try this as a last resort  http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/guerrilla-tactics-force-screen-mode-ubuntu
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  or let it auto partition and not worry about it
[08:40] <ZykoticK9> maxwell_, gdm kdm
[08:40] <hahah> i have ext3 which has karmic
[08:40] <Dargon> maxwellian, the question is, www.aftermathzone.com goes to /home/amz/public_html and i want images.aftermathzone.com to go to ~/public_html/images, but when i set the virtual server, it pushes the www. to the images directory also
[08:40] <gryllida> maxwellian: indeed I do see that question maek
[08:40] <iflema> RJames_ codebrainz there should also be an md5sum hash in the directory the iso came from
[08:40] <shiba> boo
[08:40] <prince_jammys> maxwellian: the "smart quotes" may be doing that in your terminal/client
[08:41] <hahah> i have to make it ext4
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  so you are eraseing the old ubuntu?
[08:41] <gryllida> mark*
[08:41] <hahah> ya
[08:41] <maxwellian> ZykoticK9: Oh, okay, but that's kind of confusing to a new user...?
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> hahah:   then  tell it to delete the partition, remake it,. tell it to be ext4 or somtjhing like that.
[08:41] <hahah> k
[08:41] <prince_jammys> maxwellian: ah, no, sorry, you meant the ?dm. that's intentional
[08:41] <maxwellian> prince_jammys: I get the smart quotes, but I think ZykoticK9 has it right, that that's supposed to be replaced by a 'g' or a 'k' depending on your environment.
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  or delete all the partitions so you have a lot of unallocated space.. restart the insatller (or use the back button) and  let it auto-partition the unallocated space
[08:42] <codebrainz> iflema, heh, good luck finding the dir with these fancy ubuntu webpages :)
[08:42] <quentin> ubuttu: oh crap. I was hoping I wouldn't have to do all that. That's what I went throught before karmic. with karmic the nvidia driver detected my monitor fine. I could even edit my resolution in the regular "Monitor" editor
[08:42] <Petskull> heh- wow, that's just a *mine* for newbies!
[08:42] <maxwellian> Petskull: Right?
[08:42] <Petskull> it's like it's intentional
[08:42] <gryllida> Hmm. I had 2 kernel updates, now have 3 lines in Grub -- original, first updated, second updated. Is this ok?
[08:42] <prince_jammys> maxwellian:  yeah, it's a glob that assumes that gdm/kdm/xdm/single_letter_dm is installed and at /etc/init.d
[08:42] <hahah> gryllida: use # to hide unwanted
[08:43] <codebrainz> gryllida, not only is it ok, it's really useful :)
[08:43] <iflema> codebrainz like this one?       http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/     ;)
[08:43]  * Petskull writes a system-wipe utility named '?dm'
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> gryllida:  it dosent hurt to have some backup kernels.
[08:43] <maxwellian> prince_jammys: Oh, duh...that will actually work in the shell.
[08:43] <Petskull> "It's safe, man- the BOT said so!"
[08:43] <Dargon> maxwellian, using sites-enabled i get apache2: Syntax error on line 238 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: No such file or directory
[08:43] <codebrainz> iflema, heh, that's where i was heading when you posted the other link :)
[08:43] <maxwellian> prince_jammys: I've never used the question mark glob, so it freaked me out. :)
[08:43] <Jordan_U> Petskull: Never trust robots.
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  ? = regular expression for a single character. :)  ?dm can match gdm or kdm. and cause some issues  :)
[08:44] <prince_jammys> maxwellian: it won't restart X if you don't have a graphical login, though :)
[08:44] <ZykoticK9> maxwellian, prince_jammys technically even the /etc/init.d part is outdated.  "sudo service ?dm restart"
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  that factoid has had that annoyance for ages. :)
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  and if you have KDM and GDM both installed.. its even more wrong. :)
[08:44] <RJames_> well, the ISO checksum passed
[08:44] <Jordan_U> ZykoticK9: Except the '?dm' won't work in that context.
[08:44] <alteregoa> Dr_Willis: are you afraid of megaman?
[08:44] <codebrainz> Dargon, what does 'ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default' say?
[08:44] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, good point!
[08:44] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Oh man, what would it do then??
[08:44] <hahah> what programming language is used to write linux kernel ,gnome,and the apps?is it only c++
[08:45] <hahah> wt compiler used
[08:45] <maxwellian> hahah: C, gcc
[08:45] <codebrainz> hahah, c, gcc
[08:45] <RJames_> so Either that distro just doesn't work for my netbook, or my netbook has hardware issues.. or my usb drive does... or .. or ..oorrr  <BOOM>
[08:45] <im63kg> hahah: c
[08:45] <codebrainz> heh
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  it just failed totally with some odd message last i tried it.. but the /etc/init.d/XXX part is wrong with 10.04 also..
[08:45] <ZykoticK9> Jordan_U, does using "?" actually work with init.d
[08:45]  * maxwellian smirks at codebrainz
[08:45] <hahah> no oops?
[08:45] <prince_jammys> ZykoticK9: it's just a path to a file, so yeah. it's a glob.
[08:45] <hahah> i mean c++
[08:45] <codebrainz> maxwellian, there is some GAS assembly in there i'm sure
[08:45] <Dargon> maxwellian
[08:45] <Dargon> root@li131-91:~# ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[08:45] <Dargon> /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[08:45] <Dargon> root@li131-91:~#
[08:45] <FloodBot1> Dargon: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:45] <ZykoticK9> prince_jammys, i see what you mean :)
[08:46] <maxwellian> Dargon: Sorry, should have warned you.
[08:46] <maxwellian> Dargon: Can you paste the output like the bot said?
[08:46] <Dargon> yeah
[08:46] <prince_jammys> ZykoticK9: the service version works only if your present directory happens to be /etc/init.d ;)
[08:46] <Jordan_U> ZykoticK9: Yes, because /etc/init.d/gdm is a file, and /etc/init.d/?dm is a shell glob that will match that file.
[08:46] <hahah> if suppose i want to edit the source code of calculator app...how do i do that....i installed only binary file from SPM
[08:47] <codebrainz> Dargon, what is the output of 'ls /etc/apache2/sites-available'
[08:47] <Dargon> maxwellian, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459038/
[08:47] <ZykoticK9> prince_jammys, Jordan_U thanks guys - "I'm on the trolley now"
[08:47] <Jordan_U> ZykoticK9: You're welcome.
[08:47] <maxwellian> hahah: Well you start by doing something like 'apt-get source calculator'
[08:47] <hahah> its gcalctool
[08:47] <maxwellian> hahah: Whatever. ;)
[08:47] <codebrainz> hahah, apt-get build-dep gcalctool && apt-get source gcalctool
[08:48] <Dargon> codebrainz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459040/
[08:48] <hahah> and wer will the source code save
[08:48] <maxwellian> hahah: But how to actually make a patch, and apply it, and repackage it?  I've never figured that out. :P
[08:48] <codebrainz> Dargon, not too familiar with webmin.  what is the output of 'ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/'
[08:48] <Jordan_U> hahah: Note however than you do *not* want to run apt-get source as root, and it will download the source to your current directory.
[08:48] <maxwellian> hahah: If you do, please walk me through it.
[08:49] <codebrainz> Jordan_U, good point
[08:49] <maxwellian> hahah: In other words, don't run those through sudo.
[08:49] <maxwellian> hahah: Just to be crystal clear. :)
[08:50] <hahah> ya
[08:50] <hahah> am on ubuntu user
[08:50] <Dargon> codebrainz, webmin doesnt do much for the apache config except make me not have to write it manualkly, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459041/
[08:50] <maxwellian> Man, I started #mame for that guy earlier, and I'm still the only one in there... :P
[08:51] <codebrainz> Dargon, type this:  sudo ln -sv /etc/apache2/sites-available/webmin.1278214817.conf /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[08:51] <Jordan_U> maxwellian: If you are interested in fixing a bug for the first time, maybe you could give feedback on how discoverable the process is as explained here: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=691
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  why are you using  .spm anyway? ubuntu/apt has its own system for getting a programs source
[08:52] <RJames_> since the ISO checksum passed, I'm going to download the previous netbook version (9.10) and see if I have any luck with that
[08:52] <codebrainz> Dargon, then sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[08:52] <Dargon> done
[08:52] <hahah> i got 3files
[08:52] <maxwellian> Jordan_U: I would LOVE to fix a bug, I've always wanted to, but I've never figured it out, even with the docs. :\
[08:52] <hahah> .tar
[08:52] <maxwellian> Jordan_U: Nothing specific, I just want to fix SOMETHING. :)
[08:52] <Dr_Willis> !apt | hahah
[08:52] <hahah> .tar,gz sry
[08:52] <RJames_> I think I'll download the desktop iso as well.  And see if I can boot off my USB with that on my other laptop and desktop.. to test out my USB drive
[08:52] <RJames_> fun fun fun
[08:52] <codebrainz> maxwellian, there's plenty of bugs out there, which language do you like?
[08:52] <^Jay2^> !softwaresources
[08:53] <^Jay2^> !sources
[08:53] <Zelozelos> huh, thats strange, i deleted some files from my desktop and now theres some dotted boxed outlines where the icons were
[08:53] <Dargon> codebrainz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/459043/
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  you can get apt-get to install all the needed dev files to compule somthing with ' sudo apt-get build-dep PACKAGENAME'  then you use other commands to 'grab' the source deb and set the thing up so you can edit/rebuild & compile  the source/deb
[08:54] <Pr0jectRec0n> hey all, I have a bash script like this : http://pastebin.com/6UysYN6z . All I need is When i want to exec my gnome-terminal - I wnt to execute it with a starting 'pwd' that I'll mention
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  what iso were you using?
[08:54] <maxwellian> codebrainz: I've got varying levels of experience in C, Perl, Java, and Python.
[08:54] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Oh, and some C++.
[08:54] <Pr0jectRec0n> Is there a setting for gnome-terminal that can do it? I'm just too lazy to go thru the man pages..
[08:54] <codebrainz> Dargon, ok, first do this   sudo rm /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default
[08:54] <codebrainz> Dargon, and then try that ln -sv command again
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  the server iso does Not work from USB - and im not sure ablut the alternative isntaller iso.
[08:55] <RJames_> it was ubuntu-10.04-netbook-i386.iso
[08:55] <maxwellian> codebrainz: It's all the packaging voodoo that has eluded me.
[08:55] <quentin> how do I reload X without restarting  my computer?
[08:55] <prince_jammys> Pr0jectRec0n: cd there before the gnome-terminal command.
[08:55] <codebrainz> maxwellian, debian packaging?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  ok. that should of worked from USB. vie used that befor.
[08:55] <Zelozelos> Pr0jectRec0n, thats pretty cool, never though of doin smthin like that
[08:55] <Jordan_U> maxwellian: Pick a bug and try to fix it. Even if you hit a dead end, just the act of trying (and documenting how it went as explained in the blog post) will benefit Ubuntu.
[08:55] <hahah> Dr_Willis: now the source code shud be compiled by gcc?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  with a little work - you can set up grub2 ona  flash drive and boot the iso files directly also.
[08:55] <zhanglujie> 加入
[08:55] <maxwellian> Jordan_U: There's probably a list of easy bugs out there?
[08:56] <codebrainz> quentin, /etc/init.d/gdm restart  might do it
[08:56] <RJames_> I might have to go that route
[08:56] <Pr0jectRec0n> Zelozelos, :) - It was one my requests at the forums : this - >http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151379
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  now you may want to read up on compiling and apt-get some.  Im not clear on what you are doing and have done.
[08:56] <Lalitha> How do i reinstall the panels ?
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel | Lalitha
[08:56] <hahah> no i am not compiling
[08:56] <hahah> i jus wanna understand
[08:56] <asianmale> maxwellian: python sucks the fat one
[08:56] <hahah> wat is package
[08:56] <dreamer000> tha
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  then you may want to start with teh apt-get manual given above
[08:57] <maxwellian> asianmale: Awwww, still your rosy self I see.
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> !apt-get | hahah
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> hahah:  and the ubuntu book
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> !manual | hahah
[08:57] <hahah> k
[08:57] <codebrainz> maxwellian, don't believe the slander!  :)
[08:57] <RJames_> I had high hopes when I plopped my USB drive in there and got the gui to come up with the login prompt... if only it had asked me for a user/password when it was building the flash drive.  Did it prompt you while building the flash drive?
[08:57] <quentin> codebrainz: I am getting this when I use /etc/init.d/gdm restart: Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
[08:57] <quentin> utility, e.g. service gdm restart
[08:57] <quentin> Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an
[08:57] <quentin> Upstart job, you may also use the restart(8) utility, e.g. restart gdm
[08:57] <Dargon> codebrainz that simlink went to the images subdomain config, i need the 000-default to be the www. config
[08:57] <FloodBot1> quentin: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:57] <maxwellian> codebrainz: I love Python, don't worry...I'm not swayed, however convincing asianmale is... :P
[08:58] <asianmale> codebrainz: it doesn't even have proper anonymous functions, it has this ridiculous 'self' parameter that shows OO's tacked on roots, it's woefully underengineered, anything sophisticated in python becomes a 'symbol table hack'.
[08:58] <codebrainz> quentin, they changed stuff recently, do what that says
[08:58] <Jordan_U> RJames_: It's not supposed to boot to a login prompt (if you used something like unetbootin).
[08:58] <iflema> RJames_ does ubuntu work live (livecd)? make the usb using ubuntus usb creator. Also, not sure about 9.10, 10.10 ya change between desktop, netbook, unity and so on at the login screen.... there all basically the same version.... no need to download duplicate iso(s)
[08:59] <maxwellian> asianmale: Well at least you said something with substance, but we're not going to start a Python conversation here.
[08:59] <iflema> RJames_ just get the netbook version(s)
[08:59] <dreamer000> ubuntu randomly crashes right?
[08:59] <prince_jammys> heh
[08:59] <maxwellian> dreamer000: Uhhhh...hopefully not? :)
[09:00] <maxwellian> dreamer000: At least, it wasn't designed to do that, no. :)
[09:00] <quentin> codebrainz: I only used "restart gdm" and got: Warning: Fake initctl called, doing nothing.
[09:00] <codebrainz> asianmale, bs.  define "proper anonymous functions" (like lambda?)  and I've no idea what the rest of that was about, so?
[09:01] <codebrainz> quentin, I'm not sure with upstart
[09:01] <zhanglujie> 有中国的朋友吗
[09:01] <hacked_kernel> how to convert .mts to .mov,  do you know a software that can do it??
[09:01] <prince_jammys> !cn
[09:01] <dreamer000> just trying to install@laptop 9.10 :-)
[09:01] <Pr0jectRec0n> also, guys, regarding http://pastebin.com/6UysYN6z, what if I want to associate running this bash script to a keyboard shortcut ? Can I do it using System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts?
[09:01] <codebrainz> quentin, i just went into a console, stopped gdm, wget'd the sode, compiled, and rebooted, iirc
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> hacked_kernel:  if its a video file of some kind. ffmpeg, and/or mencoder can proberly do it.
[09:02] <iflema> RJames_ 10.04 not 10.10....
[09:02] <RJames_> That is what I tried.  I followed the little how-to on the ubuntu download page for netbook.  step 1: download the 10.04-netbook iso.  step 2: use the universal USB installer to get the iso on the flash drave. step 3: pop the drive in your netbook and boot from it.  My problem is after it loads ubuntu from the flash drive.. ubuntu loads and gui login appears, only I never setup a user/pass so I can't get in. (sad face)
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  and 'ubuntu' ''  dont work
[09:02] <RJames_> nope it didn't
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  tried tjat flash drive on any other machines?
[09:03] <maxwellian> dreamer000: You're trying to install 9.10 on your laptop?
[09:03] <hacked_kernel> Dr_Willis, when using ffmpeg should i split audio and video then mix them together?  because i tried to do it but i think i have the wrong parameters
[09:03] <iflema> RJames_ theres two options for the livecd 10.04 1. install 2. try There is no login prompt.
[09:03] <dreamer000> yes it doesn't do the job with acpi=off
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> hacked_kernel:  theres so many options to those programs..   i wouldent be suprised at people using the wrong paramaters.
[09:03] <iflema> RJames_ unless you log out that is
[09:03] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  so what OS is on the macnhine now?
[09:03] <dreamer000> debian does
[09:04] <RJames_> well tell that to my netbook. :P  the menu came up.  I selected try it out.  First thing I got was a login.
[09:04] <nandonachi> i have installed the latest ubuntu and runing it in vmware..i installed gcc but the arrow keys do not work , please help :(
[09:04] <nandonachi> instead  i get ^A etc...
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  you do have ubuntu 10.04 on some machine ? You could try making a grub2 boot flash drive. that boots the iso file.
[09:04] <RJames_> after trying numerous user/pass combos.. I tried the install option at the menu.  doesn't do anything different.
[09:04] <Pr0jectRec0n> @all, nevermind, figured it out...
[09:04] <RJames_> nope.. This was going to be my first ubuntu machine.
[09:04] <codebrainz> nandonachi, in text-mode or in the GUI/X environment?
[09:04] <maxwellian> dreamer000: Sorry, what's your question?
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:   It does sound like some odd hardware issue with that flash drive,
[09:05] <RJames_> I think I'll see what happens when I put it in a different machine.
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> RJames_:  or some memory issue. Try other machines.  Ive had odd machines that dont like some flash drives.
[09:05] <dreamer000> why does it work everywhere else? :-)
[09:05] <RJames_> but ya.. I think after using unetbootin to try and build the drive.. and saw all those weird error messages on console.
[09:05] <Dargon> codebrainz, i redownloaded the original 000-default file and made it do what i need, same problem with the virtual host
[09:05] <RJames_> I think you are right.. it's the usb drive maybe.
[09:06] <codebrainz> Dargon, at this point I'd look for the #apache channel :)
[09:06] <nandonachi> codebrainz : in the gui mode
[09:06] <prince_jammys> #httpd
[09:06] <dreamer000> I like ubuntu because of upgrade policiy :-)
[09:06] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: In case you're interested, grub2's native shell scripting is not at the point where you can setup auto detection of isos at boot (creating a menu entry for each iso). It's been possible for a while with lua, but Debian/Ubuntu don't build grub2 with lua support.
[09:06] <nandonachi> im not a very experienced linux user...
[09:06] <Jordan_U> Dr_Willis: s/not/now/
[09:06] <codebrainz> nandonachi, where do you see the weird codes when you press the arrow?
[09:06] <maxwellian> dreamer000: Okay, so in a complete sentence...When you turn on ACPI, Ubuntu crashes on you "randomly"?
[09:07] <maxwellian> dreamer000: Just trying to piece it together. :)
[09:07] <prince_jammys> you are a sport
[09:07] <nandonachi> codebrainz, sorry i was incorrect , the problem happens in vi editor :P
[09:08] <codebrainz> nandonachi, totally different.  vi is like a rubix cube to me, I don't think I'll ever solve it
[09:08] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: use vim.
[09:08] <dreamer000> as I explained: good media, cleaned cd-drive, no hope, just random. Have to investigate further. Except pulseaudio worrking on random desktops, except intel graphics.
[09:09] <codebrainz> nandonachi, or use nano if you're not a masochist
[09:09] <prince_jammys> meh
[09:10] <codebrainz> prince_jammys, i won't go there anymore :)
[09:10] <Jordan_U> codebrainz: vimtutor is a very good tutorial. Once you've been taught how to solve a rubix cube it's not that hard :)
[09:10] <nandonachi> codebrainz : lol , okay
[09:10] <prince_jammys> codebrainz: thanks
[09:10] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: there's always good old hjkl, or vim-full or whatever the package is called.
[09:10] <codebrainz> Jordan_U, don't wanna start a thing.  i get along fine with my text/code editors :)
[09:11] <nandonachi> prince_jammys: but there is no such issue with ubuntu 8.10
[09:11] <prince_jammys> mm
[09:11] <maxwellian> dreamer000: Sorry, it's almost certainly my fault, but I don't understand what you're talking about. :P  If you stick around, hopefully someone smarter than me will be able to help!
[09:11] <nandonachi> prince_jammys: the vi works fine in ubuntu 8.10
[09:12] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: arrow keys work OK otherwise in your terminal??
[09:12] <nandonachi> prince_jammys : yes..
[09:12] <codebrainz> nandonachi, is it ignoring you're arrow keys because you're not in the correct "mode" or whatever?
[09:12] <asianmale> codebrainz: python sucks so bad
[09:12] <prince_jammys> no, it's seeing them as cntrl-A and such.
[09:12] <nandonachi> codebrainz: i use the simple insert mode and editing mode nothing else :p
[09:12] <codebrainz> asianmale, if you want to discuss it, I'm on #python right now :)
[09:13] <prince_jammys> home court advantage
[09:13] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Sweet, showdown. :)
[09:13] <codebrainz> prince_jammys, much more knowledgeable people than me :)
[09:13]  * maxwellian dodges the tumbleweed blowing across the dusty main street.
[09:13]  * prince_jammys just jokes about.
[09:14]  * Petskull robs the pine city stage
[09:14] <codebrainz> I really like python, but i can only compare it to the 5 or 6 other languages i use
[09:14] <Petskull> hot4you?
[09:14] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: well, i can't remember the solution to this, though i've witnessed it. is only vim-tiny installed?
[09:14] <phawx> anyone familiar with mencoder?
[09:14] <prince_jammys> !anyone
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> phawx:  i know it has a lot of docs at its homepage and a faq thats very good. and a good forum :)
[09:15] <nandonachi> prince:jammys : the default package which i think is vim tiny
[09:15] <maxwellian> Oh ubottu, are you always so direct?
[09:15] <Petskull> does anyone here ask questions openly?
[09:15] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: try vim-full
[09:15] <Dargon> codebrainz, i got the virtual servers working, wanna tackle making my php mail directive work?
[09:15] <codebrainz> Petskull, what is the meaning of life?
[09:15] <Petskull> 42
[09:15] <nandonachi> prince_jammys: hmm
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> nandonachi:  the default vim is 'vim tiny' - the normal vim package has better support and features. works with the arrow keys also
[09:16] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: or not :)
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> !info vim
[09:16] <slow-motion> hi
[09:16] <codebrainz> Dargon, nope.  check the php channel maybe
[09:16] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: now you have to try it
[09:16] <maxwellian> If you're trying to use arrow keys, don't use vim.
[09:16] <dreamer000> I expect it to be a real acpi/bios issue i should have mentioned years ago... Something seams to go wrong autoconf my hardware
[09:16] <maxwellian> You're defeating the purpose, just use Nano.
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> arrow keys work fine with the normal 'vim' its the 'vim-tiny' that has  them missing.
[09:17] <dreamer000> kanotix/lenny did do the job
[09:17] <nandonachi> prince_jammys: how can i install the full vim packaeg
[09:17] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: install vim-full
[09:17] <prince_jammys> or vim
[09:17] <codebrainz> ewww
[09:17] <codebrainz> sorry
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> prince_jammys:  its just vim - now in 10.04 :) no -full that i can see
[09:17] <prince_jammys> nandonachi: ^^
[09:18] <nandonachi> k
[09:18] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: They may work fine, but my point is that if you're using arrow keys, you are probably not using vim properly anyway.  Might as well use something simpler like nano.
[09:18] <prince_jammys> don't listen to these nanoers
[09:18] <prince_jammys> nannys
[09:18] <codebrainz> hehehe
[09:18] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Er, not properly.
[09:18] <nandonachi> thanks a lot everyone
[09:18] <nandonachi> :D
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  i find nano basically useelss.. and i dont find that using the arrow keys matter much. :)
[09:19] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Nano has all the features that someone using arrow keys with vim would be using.   This country used to be full of good, vi-loving citizens!
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> There was some dos edit clone i saw ages ago.. but cant recall where is aw it it. cant find it int he repos either.
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> codebrainz:  now if it only had a startup message that ^ =  the control key. :)
[09:20] <bkerensa> anyone wanna help me make sendmail work?
[09:20] <yessir_turan> Hello, my evince-thumbnailer is taking 100% cpu.. restarts every time I do a killall -9. any suggestions..
[09:21] <prince_jammys> stop -9ing
[09:21] <mneptok> Dr_Willis: vim is not a tool for the novice user, though. a simpler editor is a better idea.
[09:22] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Oh, but all the newbies just type :q without even thinking about it... :P
[09:22] <bkerensa> sendmail isnt sending any mail using the php mail function any suggestions? I have checked logs and made sure the php.ini is configured properly?
[09:22] <dreamer000> vim could be a tool also for.
[09:22] <prince_jammys> the questioner explicitly asked for vim; 'twasn't pushing upon him/her
[09:22] <codebrainz> I've been coding for some years now, all i need is a box to type in with a save function
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  i never said to suggest vim for them.
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  ive said for years that they need somthing better then nano.
[09:23] <mneptok> "ne" is probably the best editor for someone new to the *nix command line
[09:23] <codebrainz> Dr_Willis, yeah, nano is crude
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> mneptok:  yea. i cant find that Dos edit one - it was in some disrto.. but ive looked and looked.. :)
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> mcedit isent too hard to use either. but  its not totally clear that one uses the 'F keys' to do the menus
[09:23] <mneptok> Dr_Willis: try ne. it's what my 75 year old father uses. :)
[09:23] <Taev> hey the new version of firefox blows, how do I get a non sucky version?
[09:24] <Taev> can I get synaptic to roll it back?
[09:24] <maxwellian> Taev: Ha. :)
[09:24] <Taev> its crashing repeatedly
[09:24] <prince_jammys> details ....
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  odd.. its not crashed once on me.
[09:24] <Taev> Ive got Firefox 3.6.6.
[09:24] <Taev> this is the 10th crash today
[09:24] <Taev> its crashed over and over
[09:24] <prince_jammys> what causes the crash?
[09:25] <prince_jammys> *triggers
[09:25] <Taev> nothing, like just now I opened cnn
[09:25] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: I was introduced to Unix by an old-timer, I learned vi, no ifs ands or buts.  I don't know anything about Nano, so you're probably right about needing a better newbie editor.  I just think a newbie editor is a good thing.
[09:25] <Dr_Willis> mneptok:  ne is very close to what i was thinking of.. I would have to say it would be a better editor then Nano.
[09:25] <mneptok> maxwellian: ne
[09:25] <Taev> before that, i started it up with a blank homepage and it crashed
[09:26] <mneptok> Dr_Willis: i use nano due to years and years of pine usage.
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  yea. ne is definatly easier for betinners.
[09:26] <prince_jammys> Taev: ok, now you have a better irc question :)
[09:26] <gryllida> Taev: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox+crashes#Getting_help_with_your_crash ; http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Firefox+crashes+when+you+open+it#Getting_your_crash_report -- please fetch a crash id and paste it here
[09:26] <dreamer000> Taev what plugin, maybe?
[09:26] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis, mneptok: I'll have to look into that, could be a good recommendation.
[09:27] <Crucible> Looking for help on an issue, had a 10.4 desktop running and encrypted two sata drives with the integrated disk manager, the HD running the desktop gave out and now I'm trying to figure out how to mount the 2 drives in my ubuntu server 10.4. Any help is greatly appreciated!
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> ne - needs to put the info about hiting 'escape escape' in the title to access the menus. the editor i saw. I thouight had a menu bar up there with a message like that.. but ne is very close to whats needed
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> at least the ne startup screen gives info on ^ = ctrl and so forth
[09:27] <Taev> theres nothing in .mozilla/crash reports
[09:27] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Yeah, that's probably useful. :)
[09:27] <Taev> installtime2 and userid
[09:27] <Taev> no "submitted" folder
[09:28] <Taev> how can it be a plugin causing it to crash, when it crashes on my homepage which is a blank page
[09:28] <maxwellian> mneptok: Nano is similar to pine in the interface?  (Because of said old-timer I grew up with mutt.)
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> !brainstorm
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> do a brainstorm to replace nano with ne :)
[09:28] <gryllida> Taev: Unable to get crash ID?
[09:29] <Taev> there is no crash ID
[09:29] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Did you start it already?
[09:29] <mneptok> maxwellian: pico was the default pine editor. nano is a pico clone under a Free license.
[09:29] <Taev> /home/djs/.mozilla/firefox/Crash Reports
[09:29] <gryllida> Taev: run this in Terminal after completely closing Firefox: firefox -safe-mode
[09:29] <Taev> theres 2 files
[09:29] <maxwellian> mneptok: Ah, thanks.
[09:29] <Taev> InstallTime2, and UserID
[09:29] <dreamer000> Taev:libraries like xul or something like that?
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  not yet. :)  web is slow for me right now
[09:29] <alasca> I'm confused. In chromium adobe flash works without a problem but in firefox it doesn't....why?
[09:29] <codebrainz> for the 1% of the time i use a text-mode editor, nano is fine.  otherwise i just use geany
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  checking out iother editors also.
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> codebrainz:  yea. geany is what i use 90% of the time on X/gui
[09:29] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: You can IRC okay?  Just use lynx. ;)
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  i got other stuff downloading. so im laggy.. :)
[09:30] <Taev> ahaha
[09:30] <codebrainz> Dr_Willis, can't go wrong with Geany!  (Even on windows)
[09:30] <Taev> it crashed on safe mode
[09:30] <Taev> soon as i loaded a page
[09:30] <mneptok> maxwellian: and no *nix "old-timer" started with Mutt. Mutt's first release was in the mid-1990s, IIRC. ;)
[09:30] <maxwellian> mneptok: No one said he STARTED with mutt... ;)
[09:30] <Taev> theres still no crash report
[09:31] <Taev> it crashed in SAFE MODE, look is there a way to roll back to the last version of firefox i had
[09:31] <Taev> the one that actually worked
[09:31] <gryllida> Taev, launch it in safemode
[09:31] <Taev> i just did
[09:31] <gryllida> firefox -safe-mode
[09:31] <Taev> and it crashed
[09:31] <gryllida> ok
[09:31] <maxwellian> mneptok: But I think mutt is popular with old timers by now.
[09:31] <gryllida> then make new profile
[09:31] <gryllida> firefox -P
[09:31] <mneptok> maxwellian: "it just sucks less" (tm)
[09:32] <maxwellian> mneptok: Ahhh, marketing. :)
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> I still miss the 'CygnusED' editor i used on My Amiga. :) but its all a matter of what you are used to.
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> fte is also a neat powerfull console editor.
[09:32] <Taev> ok I did firefox -P
[09:32] <Taev> created a new profile
[09:32] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Hold on, I need to write these down.  ne and fte so far...
[09:32] <Taev> and it CRASHED
[09:32] <Pirate_Hunter> maxwellian, Dr_Willis mneptok: are discussing ideas on different text editors or is there an actual ubuntu related problem with them?
[09:32] <andimeier> Hello everyone! Is this channel the right one if I seek help because update from karmic to lucid was not successful and now my system hangs on boot, being stuck in grub?
[09:32] <Taev> Segmentation fault
[09:33] <gryllida> Taev: check for the issue in the new profile, is it crashing then? ('firefox -P' launches profile manager)
[09:33] <gryllida> ok
[09:33] <prince_jammys> andimeier: yes.
[09:33] <Taev> i created a new profile
[09:33] <gryllida> Taev: new profile crashed ---- means you have to reinstall Firefox
[09:33] <Taev> and it crashed
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> Pirate_Hunter:  i just discovered a bug with the 'fte' editor. :)
[09:33] <jayant> hii... can anyone help with the wireless setup on my ubuntu?
[09:33] <ddavids> y'all, yes there is a bug in gedit 2
[09:33] <Taev> yeah, now how do i get rid of this stupid ass version and reinstall the old version that actually worked?
[09:33] <Pirate_Hunter> Dr_Willis, really continue than don't mind me *whistle*
[09:34] <maxwellian> Pirate_Hunter: Oooh, is it easy?  Maybe I can finally fix a bug. :)
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> Pirate_Hunter:  a big one.. it cant be ran as a normal user..   off to file a bug report on it.
[09:34] <jayant> it says "device not ready" even after turning on the wireless device...
[09:34] <gryllida> Taev: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Basic+Troubleshooting#Clean_reinstall
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> Pirate_Hunter:  yea. i notice a lot of these 'older' packages dont get as much love/attention as they should. Sad to see them get lost in the background.
[09:34] <wildbat> what is the GUI tools you ppl recommend for ripping CD too AAC ?
[09:34] <gryllida> AC?
[09:35] <gryllida> AAC?
[09:35] <jayant> and in network tools it shows the state of the wlan0 interface as "inactive"
[09:35] <mneptok> wildbat: SoundJuicer with appropriate GStreamer plugins.
[09:35] <nOgAnOo> so, I have never tried linux
[09:35] <codebrainz> ddavids, do you have a specific issue?
[09:35] <maxwellian> Taev: Unless you're on the bleeding edge, a bug that big would probably have been caught and fixed right now.
[09:35] <Taev> its 3.6.6
[09:35] <nOgAnOo> anyone wanna talk to a kewl windows user?
[09:35] <maxwellian> Taev: By now, rather.
[09:35] <nOgAnOo> pm
[09:35] <Pirate_Hunter> Dr_Willis,  I am not even aware of most older packages except mutt and pine which I need to get it working with my server email
[09:35] <ddavids> codebrainz: i get errors when trying to save with it on the terminal
[09:36] <codebrainz> ddavids, pastebin the errors
[09:36] <nOgAnOo> codebrainz
[09:36] <maxwellian> Taev: Is that the regular version for lynx?
[09:36] <nOgAnOo> i like your handle
[09:36] <nOgAnOo> You must be a great person.
[09:36] <Taev> damn it, where is the old firefox releases on mozilla.com ?
[09:36] <codebrainz> nOgAnOo, i bought it for $50,000CAD
[09:36] <bkerensa> sendmail isnt sending any mail using the php mail function any suggestions? I have checked logs and made sure the php.ini is configured properly?
[09:36] <maxwellian> Taev: (Sorry, I'm still on karmic)
[09:37] <nOgAnOo> oh, sorry, your currency is worth nothing now since the release of my nOgBucks
[09:37] <Pirate_Hunter> wildbat, rubyripper as ive been told its the best or so some websites claim however specifically for ACC (which I think its the itunes version) I am not sure
[09:37] <mneptok> Taev: did you add a PPA or enable backports to get this new version?
[09:37] <Taev> no adept update manager installed it
[09:37] <Taev> seriously, how do i get rid of this version and install the previous version i had?
[09:38] <wildbat> mneptok, Pirate_Hunter , thanks
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> !pin | Taev
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  i thought the new version only got installed if you had backports enabled also.
[09:38] <maxwellian> bkerensa: You might have more luck in a channel specific to php or sendmail.
[09:38] <flames> hi how to play format wma in ubuntu???
[09:38] <Taev> do you guys take lessons on how to evade direct questions?
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> flames:  it depends more on teh codec used by the wma. Ive played them in mplayer and vlc befor
[09:38] <woodong50__> after format ,reintall old version
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  yes.
[09:39] <maxwellian> Taev: No way, natural talent.
[09:39] <flames> ok thanks
[09:39] <mneptok> nOgAnOo: did you have a support question?
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Only time ive had to use older versions of some packages was with wine and some games.
[09:39] <Taev> i just redownloaded firefox 3.6.6. and did a clean install
[09:39] <Taev> it crashed
[09:39] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, if you remove firefox it may remove ubuntu destop and gnome at least it used to its a touchy situation that will require giving more help and to why FF is crashing for you even in safe-mode I am dazzled
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  redownloaded?  from teh firefox web site?
[09:40] <Taev> yes
[09:40] <mneptok> Taev: move your ~/.mozilla directory aside and see if it crashes.
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  its best to use the package manager. not downloading stuff from teh FF web site. that may be the core of your whole problem
[09:40] <Taev> just mv it to a new file name?
[09:40] <mneptok> Taev: sure
[09:40] <Taev> I didn't download the update to 3.6.6. originally from the website, Adept Package manager did it
[09:40] <jayant> hey. can anyone help me with my wireless problem?
[09:40] <Taev> I just downloaded it now because some one suggested doing a clean install
[09:40] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, have you tried other browsers i.e. opera, chome/inium, epiphany, dillo etc
[09:40] <maxwellian> !help | jayant
[09:41] <cantmountanyhd> Hello, i booted through live cd but none of my hard drives are accessible .. they are visible but not accessible .. big error message
[09:41] <Taev> look is there a way to get synaptic to roll back to the previous version of firefox?
[09:41] <tamara> how do i change window buttons to go from left to right?
[09:41] <mneptok> Taev: no.
[09:41] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, pastebin the errors
[09:41] <Taev> then where can I find the previous version of firefox's .deb package
[09:41] <Taev> i can't seem to find it on mozilla.com
[09:41] <cantmountanyhd> codebrainz: roger [ btw these are fully accessible hard drives through windows 7]
[09:41] <ddavids> codebrainz: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/PJVbNftY
[09:41] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: What is the default version of Firefox in lynx?
[09:42] <alasca> tamara,  Change your theme...
[09:42] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, run FireFox in terminal and check for errors
[09:42] <ikonia> Taev: why are you installing things from mozillia.com ? why are you not using the package manager
[09:42] <mneptok> maxwellian: as released? or as updated?
[09:42] <Taev> I already did Pirate_Hunter
[09:42] <Taev> i ran it in safe mode too
[09:42] <Taev> it crashed
[09:42] <Taev> seg fault
[09:42] <ddavids> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/PJVbNftY
[09:42] <alasca> tamara,  right click, on desktop, change desktop background >theme..and choose from there.
[09:42] <tamara> alasca, ok, i got it
[09:42] <tamara> thanks
[09:43]  * Taev bangs head. I did use the package manager to install this infernal 3.6.6., some one just now suggested i do a clean install so i downloaded the package from mozilla.com
[09:43] <jayant> ok... the wireless works on my windows, but since i installed ubuntu 10.04 netbook edition it does not recognize any wireless connections.. and when i disable and enable network connections it says "device not ready" under wireless connections..
[09:43] <flames> cannot play VLC
[09:43] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, did you remove it instead of using purge and than did you remove its profile hidden in ~/ if not you didnt do much
[09:43] <flames> No suitable decoder module:
[09:43] <flames> VLC does not support the audio or video format "wmap". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> !info firefox
[09:43] <flames> VLC cannot ply wma format
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. did they update firefox in teh main repos?
[09:43] <codebrainz> ddavids, it's hard to tell from that, can you try with a smaller file (like 100 lines-ish)
[09:43] <Taev> look could some one please point me to a directory with a deb package for the previous version of firefox
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> flames:  i think it depends on the codec to some degree.
[09:43] <Taev> thats all im asking for
[09:44] <jayant> and in the devices tab in network tools, the wlan0 interface shows as "inactive" state
[09:44] <cantmountanyhd> what is that image posting site like pastebin ? let me upload the screenshot
[09:44] <alasca> Dr_Willis,  I have a question, why firefox isn't in the repositories as it is, with no extra things...?
[09:44] <flames> so how to playing wma format in ubuntu???
[09:44] <alasca> Dr_Willis,  As it is like the version you get from firefox website...
[09:44] <alasca> flames,  You need ubuntu restricted package.
[09:44] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, can't just paste the text?
[09:44] <alasca> !restricted package
[09:44] <mneptok> flames: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras]
[09:45] <mneptok> -]
[09:45] <flames> ok
[09:45] <cantmountanyhd> codebrainz: naw, cant copy it
[09:45] <andimeier1> after upgrading to lucid, I cannot boot anymore, I suppose the culprit is my "special" configuration: software RAID5 which is not recognized/configured anymore. now I'm stuck in grub: "error: the symbol 'grub_puts_' not found"
[09:45] <maxwellian> Taev: Obviously you're frustrated, we get that.  No one's trying to evade your question, we're trying to figure out the best solution.  Believe it or not, people coming in here don't always know the best solution to their problem.
[09:45] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  run synaptic, search for firefox,  use package -> force version   menu item
[09:45] <abhi_nav> I was asking about this in offtopic but no help. if anyonw knows then reply other wise ignore. How to add gadges to google desktop sidebar? (I know this is crossposting. I wait for so many mintus but no help)
[09:45] <Taev> the best solution is just installing the last version of firefox that actually worked
[09:46] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, this comes up in google: http://imagebin.ca/
[09:46] <Taev> I can't seem to find a .deb for that
[09:46] <Taev> hehe... THeres NOT a Deb for that
[09:46] <ikonia> Taev: I'll ask again - why are you getting packages from outside the package manager
[09:46] <Taev> parody of the Iphone
[09:46] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  theres other packages that it may alwo need. so its 'best' to use synaptic. to downgrade the version
[09:46] <maxwellian> ikonia: Because he was doing a fresh install.
[09:46] <prince_jammys> ikonia: because he misinterpreted "clean install" to mean that.
[09:46] <Taev> and I'll answer again. I DIDN'T. I only downloaded it from mozilla.com just now, for the clean re-install
[09:46] <mneptok> Taev: that's not the best solution. the best solution is to determine why Firefox gives you such problems, but not others.
[09:46] <ddavids> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/L89n0rbQ
[09:46] <ikonia> maxwellian: but why go from outside the repos ?
[09:47] <ddavids> codebrainz: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/L89n0rbQ
[09:47] <maxwellian> ikonia: Because he thought that's what you're supposed to do.
[09:47] <Dr_Willis> abhi_nav:  i thought i just dragged them over there to the side bar last i used google gadgets. or right clciked on teh sidebar and added them
[09:47] <ikonia> ah, he's not actually installed it yet
[09:47] <cantmountanyhd> codebrainz: http://yfrog.com/j0screenshothrp
[09:47] <Belserusk> Hi. I was looking at a friends laptop yesterday. I saw a button on the same row as the help, wireless and power buttons. It has a symbol on it that kind of looks like this: http://michaelgr.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/radioactive-001.png What is its function? I pressed it but nothing happened! The laptop model is a Fujitsu Siemens Amilo L1310G
[09:47] <codebrainz> ddavids, yeah, i can't tell from that, those eerors are useless, try it with a file that is less than 50K lines, more like 20-100 lines long
[09:48] <abhi_nav> Dr_Willis, do I need to install sidebar separately? i installed google desktop but there is no sidebar anywhere
[09:48] <ikonia> Belserusk: that is nothing to do with ubuntu
[09:48] <Taev> thanks Dr_Willis
[09:48] <jayant> anyone who can help me out here? wireless connection shows up as "device not ready" even after turning on wireless
[09:48] <Dr_Willis> abhi_nav:  its been ages since i last used it. and i hate the side bar.
[09:48] <abhi_nav> Dr_Willis, ok
[09:48] <RJames_> ok.. so I get the phantom login on my desktop system as well
[09:48] <ddavids> codebrainz: will this help? http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/L89n0rbQ
[09:49] <RJames_> so I suppose my USB drive is suspect
[09:49] <Taev> you know I used to love Ubuntu, but now it seems its moving away from doing what users want, and doing what you think they should do instead, its just like the other day when I asked how to log in as root
[09:49] <Taev> no one wanted to say run kuser and set a password for root, it was "oh no" use sudo,
[09:49] <codebrainz> ddavids, heh, no.  do you have a massive text file open?
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> abhi_nav:  i just right cluicked on the sidebar. add gadgets - sleected one.. and it went to the sidebar
[09:49] <ezhackxx_> @Jayant: Update the OS.
[09:49] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, you should delete your current firefox profile found hidden in your home directory, than purge firefox and install whatever version you want usinf sudo aptitude/apt-get install firefox-2/3.0/3.5 etc
[09:49] <prince_jammys> Taev: this channel has policies. you don't have to follow them, just don't expect answers for that here.
[09:49] <maxwellian> Taev: If I just bought a gun from a gun store and asked the owner how to shoot myself in the foot, do you think it's a good idea for him to show me?
[09:49] <abhi_nav> Dr_Willis, yah I know that but for that atleast the sidebar bar should be ther naa? but it is not there? :(
[09:49] <ddavids> no
[09:49] <Dr_Willis> abhi_nav:  if you dont see a sidebar. check the settings in teh google gadgets appleticon
[09:50] <mneptok> Taev: because running as root is dangerous, is not supported, and will not be discussed on this channel per policy.
[09:50] <abhi_nav> Dr_Willis, ok
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> abhi_nav:  it can show/hide it. :) logical eh
[09:50] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, easiest solution is to boot back into windows and shutdown properly
[09:50] <Taev> to expand on your analogy, if i bought the gun then its MINE. I can do whatever I want with it.
[09:50] <jayant> @ezhackxx update the OS? i have ubuntu 10.04 netbook edition..
[09:50] <abhi_nav> Dr_Willis, ok i wll check it
[09:50] <maxwellian> Taev: Absolutely, it is.
[09:50] <cantmountanyhd> codebrainz: but i have done it so many times
[09:50] <jayant> and i cant get onilne from ubuntu to update or download any packages either..
[09:50] <mneptok> Taev: i think you need to accept that Firefox is probably not the issue, and something about your configuration is.
[09:51] <cantmountanyhd> codebrainz:  restart through windows is a proper shut down right ?
[09:51] <maxwellian> Taev: But people are generally nice enough to provide you with information that is in your best interest.
[09:51] <Taev> damn it i did what Dr_Willis said to do
[09:51] <ramit_> can anybody knows where is uid of hard-disk is
[09:51] <Taev> and it reinstalled 3.6.6.
[09:51] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, should be
[09:51] <maxwellian> Taev: Even if you rail against it for some reason.
[09:51] <Taev> and it just crashed again
[09:51] <ezhackxx_> @Jayant Some driver do not come in default
[09:51] <cantmountanyhd> codebrainz:  then i have done it more than a few times
[09:51] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, you can mount with the --force option, by doing it manually
[09:51] <mneptok> Taev: as i said before, move aside your Firefox profile or test with the guest account.
[09:51] <cantmountanyhd> ya i tried that command in the error msg .. didnt work
[09:51] <Taev> look there has got to be a directory online with the default install packages
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  if you 'installed' firefox from teh firefox download page. You may need to remove that. or you may be accidently running that version
[09:51] <cantmountanyhd> says i need to be a root
[09:51] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, delete your frigging profile your still using the old firefox folders
[09:51] <Taev> a version of firefox other than 3.6.6.
[09:52] <ddavids> codebrainz: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/PuxLjbR5
[09:52] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, i've posted the same thing dont know how many times
[09:52] <cantmountanyhd> i have terminal open .. i know some sudo or something .. not sure
[09:52] <ezhackxx_> @Jayant: I experienced the same probs. Had to connect with a LAN Cable to do that
[09:52] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  if you truely insrtalled ff 3.6.3 - then it is downloaded to the /var/cache/apt dir
[09:52] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, if you feel confident, use 'sudo' before the command
[09:52] <Taev> i wiped out that directory last week
[09:52] <Taev> to get space
[09:52] <jayant> @ezhackxx is there a way to download the drivers from windows and install them on ubuntu later?
[09:52] <Taev> and the version i downloaded from mozilla.com to test the clean install was a tar.bz2 that I ran locally from my home folder
[09:52] <Taev> i didn't install it
[09:53] <codebrainz> ddavids, heh, it's that those single line errors mean nothing to me.  if you can't provide actual more errors, i can't tell from those pastebins
[09:53] <ezhackxx_> @Jayant: Don't think so
[09:53] <codebrainz> ddavids, it's not enough for me to go on
[09:53] <ddavids> ok, i see but i have no idea how to generate more errors
[09:53] <abhi_nav> jayant, which drivers?
[09:53] <asianmale> codebrainz: your gay as hell lol
[09:54] <jayant> for my wireless connection.... it says "device not ready"
[09:54] <Pirate_Hunter> jayant, the only time I would think of doing that is to be used with an application running wine and you should be able to using firefox unless the site specifically wants you to use IE but than you could try the user agent plugin to bypass that
[09:54] <ezhackxx_> @Jayant: If you can lay your hand on a TPLINK Wireless USB Dongle
[09:54] <cantmountanyhd> didnt work
[09:54] <codebrainz> ddavids, when you run from the console, do :  gedit 1>>logfile.txt 2>>logfile.txt  and then see if anything interesting is in logfile.txt
[09:54] <codebrainz> mneptok, thank you
[09:54] <ezhackxx_> @Jayant: Its driver is preinstalled
[09:54]  * mneptok bows
[09:55] <jayant> @ezhackxx  whats that??
[09:55] <cantmountanyhd> ah anyways , i will go to windows, boot .. and will say shut down .. wont help but no harm in trying
[09:55] <codebrainz> cantmountanyhd, worth a try, then come back and fix if it doesn't work
[09:55] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: What did you have Taev do, reinstall?
[09:55] <jayant> how can i know? when i try to see the list of hardware drivers nothing shows up
[09:55] <Taev> please would some one give me a url that has a .deb for a version of firefox before 3.6.6
[09:55] <Taev> Im begging you
[09:56] <prince_jammys> stop that.
[09:56] <Pirate_Hunter> maxwell_, Dr_Willis : I think the problem might be his profile folder in home but I don't think they understand what I meant
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> maxwellian:  use synaptic and select teh older version.. Not sure if he did it properly or not. and IF he did install 3.6.3 the .deb should be in his /var/cache/apt    but  i dont think hes looked.
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> Pirate_Hunter:  possibaly.
[09:57] <Taev> all i can find on FTP Directory trees are the .ISO for ubuntu
[09:57] <Taev> I can't find the packages
[09:57] <maxwellian> Taev: We're not hiding anything from you.  Trust me, if I had the link I'd give it to you.
[09:57] <maxwellian> Taev: Thousands of people are running that version of Firefox.
[09:57] <Pirate_Hunter> Dr_Willis, I get the feeling they are not doing anything that has been suggested and instead just asking about the .deb which wont help them
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  if you did use synaptic to install teh older version just now - it would be saved in   /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> !info firefox
[09:59] <prince_jammys> why bother? he/she invented that getting a different version of Firefox is the solution.
[09:59] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, how long you've been using ubuntu, ok im going to give you step by step instructions which you should follow were going to purge firefox, delete its folder and reinstall it again
[09:59] <Taev> file:///var/cache/apt/archives/firefox-3.0_3.6.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_all.deb
[09:59] <Taev> thats what it installed
[09:59] <codebrainz> apt-get install iceweasel
[09:59] <Taev> when i selected force, and 3.whatever
[09:59] <Dr_Willis> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/f/firefox/
[10:00] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, sudo aptitude update (just for the sake of it), than sudo aptitude purge firefox (that willl remove all its components do read what the screen tells you)
[10:00] <Zeu5> hi there, sorry i am asking how to use filezilla in ubuntu. i cannot find the edit in filezilla in order to change my settings. please advise.
[10:00] <RJames_> I'm tired and defeated.  My mystery login seems to stem either from the USB or the particular netbook iso since I get the same behavior from my netbook and desktop.  Tomorrow I'll try a different ubuntu ISO that I've already downloaded.  Then if that fails, I think I'll try with different flavor of linux.  If all of that fails.  I will renouce all technology and join monkdom.
[10:01] <abhi_nav> Taev, you want older version of ff and it is not availabl on internet?
[10:01] <Zeu5> hi there, sorry i am asking how to use filezilla in ubuntu. i cannot find the edit in filezilla in order to change my settings. please advise. i have seen screenshots in tutorials that it is there. but not on my fielzilla. i am using lucid 10.0.4
[10:01] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, i am certain filezilla is an application and you can change its settings through the preferrences menu
[10:01] <codebrainz> RJames_, I sell wooden CPUs on the weekends, very *not tech*
[10:01] <Taev> there i just did a complete removal of firefox 3.6.6.
[10:01] <Taev> good riddance
[10:01] <Pirate_Hunter> abhi_nav, actually it is but I dont thing they know about sudo or commandline but than synaptic has been suggested
[10:02] <RJames_> codebrainz: please send me your catalog.
[10:02] <Zeu5> hi Pirate_Hunter u mean by system > preferences? it is not there
[10:02] <Taev> now im going to try this firefox_3.6.3+nobinonly-0ubuntu4_i386.deb
[10:02]  * maxwellian sighs.
[10:02] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, you mean you sudo aptitude purge firefox? are you sure I need to be certain
[10:02] <abhi_nav> Pirate_Hunter, Taev what I suggest you is go to firefox channel. atleast one of them have older version of firefox. so they will upload it for you on their website. your sent you throu some link. see that
[10:03] <RJames_> ok fellas and non-fellas.  You take care.  Thanks for all your suggestions and helps and the oh-so-good-times
[10:03] <prince_jammys> sigh.
[10:03] <maxwellian> Pirate_Hunter: Dude, give up.
[10:03] <codebrainz> RJames_, http://www.bizrate.com/learning-toys/wooden-abacus-toys/
[10:03] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, filezilla is an application you need to start it than set your preferences
[10:03] <RJames_> codebrainz: LOL. too advanced for me.
[10:03] <ingenius> Anyone can help me with a termios problem ?
[10:03] <codebrainz> RJames_, night :)
[10:03] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: i already started it. i really cannot find this file, edit, etc
[10:03] <Taev> dpkg: error processing firefox (--install):
[10:03] <Taev>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[10:03] <Taev> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:03] <Taev>  firefox
[10:03] <Taev> RESULT=1
[10:03] <FloodBot1> Taev: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:03] <Taev>
[10:03] <maxwellian> Pirate_Hunter: I understand the frustration on their end, but I've never seen someone so disinterested in actually solving a problem.
[10:03] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter:  that is why i find it so werid
[10:03] <Pirate_Hunter> maxwellian,  I will than start calling troll and block them until than doing step by step removal is not that difficult
[10:04] <prince_jammys> Taev: install firefox with aptitude.
[10:04] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, why do you find it weird?
[10:04] <Taev> it will just install 3.6.6
[10:04]  * Dr_Willis waits ffor Taev 's older firefox to also crash.
[10:04] <Taev> I don't want 3.6.6. since its buggy
[10:04] <Taev> it wouldn't install
[10:04] <prince_jammys> Taev: install it.
[10:04] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, http://filezilla-project.org/client_screenshots.php that is how it looks like
[10:04] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: because they all say the same thing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=733697
[10:04] <Dr_Willis> I did have some conflicts with trying to downgrade to 3.6.3 just now.. but i have a lot of extra stuff installed.
[10:04] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: i dont have Edit.
[10:05] <Pirate_Hunter> prince_jammys, dont tell him to install it they must remove it the profile directory first
[10:05] <prince_jammys> Pirate_Hunter: he's done so.
[10:05] <prince_jammys> or at least said he did.
[10:05] <prince_jammys> either way, he can remove it after reinstalling.
[10:05] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, did you remove it and please use my name
[10:05] <Taev> there i did as Pirate_Hunter suggested, sudo aptitude update, then sudo aptitude purge firefox
[10:06] <Pirate_Hunter> prince_jammys, true but im doing baby steps somehting I rarely do
[10:06] <Taev> now what?
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  try running 'firefox' from the terminal and see if it runs
[10:06] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: Gah, hold on.
[10:06] <Taev> I already did that, and I did firefox -safe-mode, they crashed
[10:06] <Taev> now i just purged firefox
[10:06] <Taev> so I can't do it again
[10:06] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev,  good, now go to your home directory, which has the folders Documents, Downloads etc and press ctrl+H to show hidden folders
[10:07] <Dr_Willis> Taev:  so 'firefox' now gives a 'command not found' ?
[10:07] <Taev> you want me to delete .mozilla?
[10:07] <Taev> is that it
[10:07] <maxwellian> Dr_Willis: I don't think he ever got an older version to install.
[10:07] <eoke> Taev: Avoid deleting anything until you know that's the problem just rename it.
[10:07] <Taev> yeah Dr_Willis
[10:07] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, huh? I dont know what your following but filezilla can be installed from synaptic or command line
[10:07] <codebrainz> Taev,   apt-get --reinstall --purge install firefox, try that?
[10:07] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Gah, wait.
[10:08] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: see this http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7ZWUAtHfPxUXxTmbAgKlqg?feat=directlink
[10:08] <Taev> Ill rename .mozilla to .moz366sucks
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> !info firefox
[10:08] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, justt delete it
[10:08] <Taev> there its done
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> So they Put the ff Updates in 'main' not backports  it seems.
[10:08] <Taev> now what? apt-get install firefox ?
[10:09] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, what window manager do you have?
[10:09] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: i think its gnome?
[10:09] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: sorry i am very noob. i dont even know the difference between kde and gnome etc
[10:09] <Taev> well since no one answered, i just did apt-get install firefox
[10:09] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: how do i check ?
[10:09] <maxwellian> Taev: Smart move.
[10:10] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, check the config folder for nay remains of firefolx/mozilla files or folders even knowing I think you removed it all after that do sudo aptitude search firefox and tell me which version you want
[10:10] <maxwellian> Taev: I wonder how you end with configurations that crash...
[10:10] <Taev> it crashed
[10:10] <Taev> ok, guess i have to purge again
[10:11] <codebrainz> Taev,   apt-get --reinstall --purge install firefox, try that?
[10:11] <Taev> what does "score is -172" do you accept this solution, mean?
[10:11] <Taev> it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[10:11] <Taev> wtf
[10:11] <prince_jammys> that's ok.
[10:11] <codebrainz> Taev, it will reinstall, it's just a metapackage
[10:11] <Sagaci> Yeah it's a bit funny like that
[10:11] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, it should tell you on start up or you can go to system>administrator>and one of the option there tells you your system info
[10:12] <floating> Anyone remember the name of dictionary software that allows you to search words that you click for example on irc or web browser such as babylon
[10:12] <Sagaci> System monitor
[10:12] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Really?  Why is it set up that way?
[10:12] <Pirate_Hunter> Dr_Willis, care to help me here I need to know how identify which version of ubuntu Zeu5 is using?
[10:12] <prince_jammys> !version
[10:12] <Pirate_Hunter> Sagaci, thanks
[10:12] <floating> I mean babylon is the windows program that is not freeware
[10:12] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: i am using lucid. 10.0.4
[10:12] <codebrainz> maxwellian, they make one metapackage, and that installs all the stuff they want on top of the base system
[10:12] <floating> ah, must have been stardict
[10:13] <Taev> I did aptitude search firefox and it just lists a bunch of extension packages
[10:13] <Taev> and dummy packages
[10:13] <Taev> no specific versions
[10:13] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, ok you are using gnome
[10:13] <codebrainz> maxwellian, you could make a package depend on anything, like all the kde packages (kubuntu-desktop) etc.
[10:13] <Taev> firefox -safe-mode Segmentation Fault
[10:13] <maxwellian> codebrainz: I get that, but why would they remove the desktop metapackage if you're removing firefox?
[10:13] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: yes i just found it. its gnome. according to the login screen
[10:13] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Surely other things depend on it?
[10:14] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, you looking for the ones that say firefo-2, firefox-3.0 etc choose which version you want than do sudo aptitude install that [version type]
[10:14] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: so whats next?
[10:14] <codebrainz> maxwellian, because ubuntu-desktop depends on firefox
[10:14] <Taev> brb
[10:14] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Oh, duh.  I didn't know that.
[10:14] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, I am just wondering if you open nautilus does the same thing happen?
[10:14] <codebrainz> maxwellian, but removing ubuntu-desktop just removes the meta-packages, not all that it depends on
[10:14] <prince_jammys> maxwellian: no, a metapackage is just a hack so that when you install it, it auto-installs a bunch of packages. Once you remove any of _those_ packages, the metapackage can be (must be) removed.
[10:14] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: on any folders?
[10:15] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: i see the file edit etc when i open a folder
[10:15] <prince_jammys> maxwellian: i.e. the metapackage contains _nothing_ but a list of dependencies.
[10:15] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, on any folder as that would be global or do all your application open like that
[10:15] <Sagaci> Like ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:15] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: right now i am using chatzilla and i also can see its edit, etc
[10:15] <codebrainz> maxwellian, it's just an easy way to install all the packages that make "ubuntu" in one "fictional" package
[10:15] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: only filezilla apparently is missing the file edit.etc
[10:16] <Sagaci> Pretty good hack
[10:16] <abhinav> Hi ..  I installed ubuntu on a new computer (lucid, 64 bit) and copied over my /home and installed packages. However, I get some widgets in wierd colors . as if the theme hasn't applied. This is with both compiz and metacity.
[10:16] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Okay, so all the things that supposedly depend on ubuntu-desktop are still there.
[10:16] <prince_jammys> correct
[10:16] <crevillo> hello
[10:16] <abhinav> Some screenshots : http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162366&d=1278230001 , http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=162367&d=1278230001
[10:16] <codebrainz> maxwellian, all the things that ubuntu-desktop depends on remain in tact
[10:17] <crevillo> anyone knows a psd-viewer for ubuntu?
[10:17] <maxwellian> codebrainz: Oh, so I have it backwards?
[10:17] <prince_jammys> maxwellian: err, backwords. all the things ubuntu-desktop depends on.
[10:17] <prince_jammys> *wards
[10:17] <Taev> ok, I have mozilla's crappy 3.6.6 installed now
[10:17] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, weird I just installed it myself and your saying it is only filezilla that has the problem
[10:17] <Taev> it keeps crashing saying seg fault
[10:17] <maxwellian> prince_jammys, codebrainz: Thanks, I'll have to look into these metapackages more.
[10:18] <codebrainz> maxwellian, grab a .deb package, extract it with file-roller and have a look at the contents, it'll all make sense... also see Debian Package Maintainer's Guide
[10:18] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: perhaps i need to reinstall it/
[10:18] <shubbar> win xp on virtualbox is not detecting my usb scanner eventhough i have made a usb filter for the scanner in vb setting
[10:18] <Taev> do i have to uninstall firefox, to install one of the other versions, Pirate_Hunter
[10:18] <prince_jammys> Taev: you should explore why this is happening.
[10:18] <Taev> a buggy version of 3.6.6
[10:18] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, I wouldve thouth it happened to all your applications I would start suggesting a reinstall which you just typed but would purge it first and its files from home
[10:18] <prince_jammys> says who?
[10:18] <Taev> because the last version worked fine
[10:18] <Taev> occams razor
[10:19] <Zeu5> Pirate_Hunter: how do i export all my settings first?
[10:19] <codebrainz> crevillo, evince?
[10:19] <matt____> Good morning, If I'm trying to get a VGA analog display device to show picture through a DVI port (with an adapter), and am having problems detecting it with NVIDIA control panel in Ubuntu, is it most likely an xorg.conf issue? Thanks
[10:19] <prince_jammys> Taev: ah, and your system is identical in every way to the old working firefox except for firefox version?
[10:19] <crevillo> don't know it, let's try :)
[10:19] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, most of the times you dont as it will replace the current version but you do need to delete the firefox folderhidden in home
[10:19] <crevillo> thanks codebrainz
[10:19] <Taev> i did Pirate_Hunter
[10:19] <codebrainz> crevillo, or epdf, both great
[10:19] <Taev> well i mv'ed it
[10:19] <maxwellian> Taev: Not only that, but the thousands of either people using that version just haven't noticed that their browser doesn't actually run.
[10:19] <Taev> ill delete it
[10:20] <crevillo> thanks again, codebrainz
[10:20] <maxwellian> Taev: Other, rather.
[10:20] <codebrainz> crevillo, yo
[10:20] <prince_jammys> Normally, you describe your problem and others provide solutions. You don't provide the solution yourself.
[10:20] <Pirate_Hunter> Zeu5, those would most likely be in /etc/filezilla or hidden in you ~/[your name]/.filezilla/...
[10:20] <codebrainz> midori to the rescue !  /sarcasm
[10:20] <eoke> matt____: A DVI to VGA adapter typically prevents your computer from collecting the EDID data from your monitor.  The EDID data tells the computer the performance characteristics of the monitor.
[10:21] <Pirate_Hunter> Taev, than yeah just install it, good luck if all fails stick to another browser
[10:21] <maxwellian> Taev: The worst case scenario is that this IS actually a very critical bug, in which case we need to report it, not just curse it and hope that next time you update it doesn't happen again.
[10:22] <Taev> I just deleted the .mozilla directory
[10:22] <Taev> and I did a complete removal of firefox