[03:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- gary-wzl77, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2278 Publishing packages
[03:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- gary-wzl77, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2278 Publish failed: Dependency wait (zesty/storage-provider-onedrive). Packaging diff requires ACK (xenial/storage-provider-onedrive)
[03:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- gary-wzl77, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2278 Dependency wait (zesty/storage-provider-onedrive). Successfully built (xenial/storage-provider-onedrive)
[08:34] <vigo> pete-woods, awsome! it worked
[08:34] <vigo> =)
[08:35] <pete-woods> vigo: brilliant. I can almost hardly believe it :)
[08:35] <vigo> wizard networking page now shows the wlans list and uss/wifi also displays the switch
[08:36] <vigo> pete-woods, I'm approving it well done :)thanks
[08:36] <pete-woods> :D
[08:36] <pete-woods> Glad we figured the snap process out, too
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2301 QA Signoff: Approved
[08:41] <vigo> ;)
[08:44] <pete-woods> trainguards: anyone got the time to do a packaging ack on a dependency version bump on indicator-network ^
[08:49] <sil2100> pete-woods: looking
[08:50] <pete-woods> sil2100: thanks!
[08:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2301 Publishing packages
[08:51] <pete-woods> :-D
[09:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2301 Proposed pocket (zesty/indicator-network). Release pocket (xenial/indicator-network)
[09:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/keeper). Successfully built (xenial/keeper)
[09:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Preparing packages
[09:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Preparing packages
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Currently building (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/unity8). Pending binary packages (xenial/qmenumodel, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, zesty/qmenumodel). Successfully built (zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8-desktop-session)
[09:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[09:39] <alan_g> xnox: a few days ago I needed an AA and you pointed me to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members#active, but I've not had much joy. E.g. "RAOF> I can provide *some* assistance, but I'm not an archive admin.". Any other suggestions?
[09:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alan_g, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2299 QA Signoff: Approved
[09:51] <xnox> alan_g, *giggle* well, that's a lie =)
[09:52] <xnox> ~ubuntu-archive are the AAs
[09:52]  * alan_g sighs
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/keeper). Uploading build (xenial/keeper)
[09:53] <xnox> alan_g, i would try s langasek but he will not be on today.
[09:53] <alan_g> ack, bad time of the year
[09:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Currently building (xenial/unity8). Failed to build (xenial/qtubuntu, xenial/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/qtubuntu, zesty/qtubuntu-gles, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qmenumodel, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8-desktop-session, zesty/qmenumodel, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8-desktop-session)
[09:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Currently building (xenial/hud, xenial/indicator-display, xenial/keeper, xenial/persistent-cache-cpp, xenial/thumbnailer, xenial/unity-scope-click, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/hud, zesty/indicator-display, zesty/mediascanner2, zesty/thumbnailer, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch, zesty/unity-scope-click). Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Needs building (xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/me
[10:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/keeper). Successfully built (xenial/keeper)
[10:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Preparing packages
[10:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Currently building (xenial/hud, xenial/thumbnailer, xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/hud, zesty/thumbnailer). Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Pending binary packages (xenial/pay-service, xenial/unity-scope-click, zesty/pay-service, zesty/ubuntu-app-launch). Successfully built (xenial/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transfer, xe
[10:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Preparing packages
[10:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xavigarcia charles, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2250 Successfully built
[10:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Failed to build (zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/hud, xenial/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transfer, xenial/keeper, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/libqtdbustest, xenial/mediascanner2, xenial/pay-service, xenial/persistent-cache-cpp, xenial/policykit-unity8, xenial/thumbnailer, xenial/ubuntu-app-launch, xenial/ubuntu-s
[10:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Preparing packages
[11:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Pending binary packages (xenial/unity-scopes-shell, zesty/unity-scopes-shell). Successfully built (xenial/hud, xenial/indicator-display, xenial/indicator-network, xenial/indicator-sound, xenial/indicator-transfer, xenial/keeper, xenial/libqtdbusmock, xenial/libqtdbustest, xenial/mediascanner2, xenial/pay-service, xenial/persistent-cache-cpp, xenial/policykit-unity8, xenial/thumbnailer, xenial
[11:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Successfully built
[11:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2275 Successfully built
[11:59] <Elleo> trainguards: could someone retrigger the autopilot tests for zesty on this silo please? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2289
[11:59] <sil2100> Elleo: on it
[12:00] <sil2100> Elleo: wow, a lot of tests this is
[12:00] <sil2100> Done
[12:00] <Elleo> sil2100: thanks :)
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2301 Release pocket
[12:54] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: can silos 2295 and 2298 move to the "ready for testing" column?
[12:54] <oSoMoN> (or is there anything holding them back?)
[12:56] <davmor2> oSoMoN: I'll have a look for you in a second I would imagine the arrived after the rest landed and were moved across though we are reduced staffing due to holidays so will be slower too just as a heads up
[13:01] <oSoMoN> davmor2, no worries if they don’t get tested right away, just wanted to know if there was anything preventing them from being marked ready for validation
[13:01] <davmor2> nope look fine
[13:14] <cjwatson> sil2100: how should I record AA signoffs these days?  comment on the ticket?
[13:58] <sil2100> cjwatson: hey! Yes
[13:58] <sil2100> cjwatson: that's the currently recommended 'way'
[13:58] <cjwatson> sil2100,alan_g|lunch: OK, done
[13:59] <sil2100> cjwatson: thank you!
[13:59] <sil2100> Publishing
[14:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alan_g, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2299 Publishing packages
[14:16] <alan_g> cjwatson: thanks
[14:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alan_g, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2299 Proposed pocket (zesty/miral). Release pocket (xenial/miral)
[14:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2312 Preparing packages
[14:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, zesty/dialer-app)
[14:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Preparing packages
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 zesty/qtmir-gles: Failed to download DSC file https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/qtmir-gles_0.5.0+17.04.20161203-0ubuntu1.dsc
[14:50] <alan_g> sil2100: do I need to do any more to get 2299 from Z-proposed to release?
[14:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-settings-components). Successfully built (xenial/ubuntu-settings-components, xenial/ubuntu-system-settings, zesty/ubuntu-system-settings)
[14:53] <dobey> alan_g: normally it's just "wait"
[14:54] <alan_g> dobey: I thought so...but last week that didn't work for another ticket, so I was checking in case anything changed.
[14:56] <dobey> well looks like unity8 tests are passing in proposed now for other stuff, where they were failing late last week
[14:57] <dobey> i don't see miral yet on the excuses page, so i guess it's also taking a fair bit for britney to chew through things in zesty-proposed
[15:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Dependency wait (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity8). Diff missing (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[15:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alan_g, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2299 Release pocket
[15:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Preparing packages
[15:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Preparing packages
[15:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[15:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 zesty/dialer-app: Failed to commit https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/dialer-app/im-service. You must supply either a Commit Message on your MP, or a custom debian/changelog entry
[15:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[15:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Dependency wait (xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc). Ready to build (zesty/libircclient). Successfully built (xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/telephony-service)
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Failed to build (zesty/content-hub). Pending binary packages (xenial/content-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/camera-app, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/camera-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[16:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2307 Generating diffs
[16:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Currently building (xenial/qtmir, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir). Diff missing (xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api). Failed to build (zesty/unity8)
[16:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/dialer-app)
[16:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Failed to build (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/camera-app, xenial/content-hub, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/camera-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2311 Ready to build (zesty/libircclient). Successfully built (xenial/libircclient, xenial/messaging-app, xenial/messaging-framework, xenial/mfw-plugin-irc, xenial/telephony-service, zesty/messaging-app, zesty/messaging-framework, zesty/mfw-plugin-irc, zesty/telephony-service)
[16:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Diff missing (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api). Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8)
[16:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Preparing packages
[16:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2307 Pending binary packages
[16:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2288 Successfully built
[17:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Preparing packages
[17:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2307 Successfully built
[17:18] <robru> mzanetti: ping re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1649622
[17:18] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1649622 in Bileto "don't publish packages to overlay ppa until the proposed migration succeeded" [High,New]
[17:18] <mzanetti> robru, hi
[17:19] <robru> mzanetti: just wondering your thought's about steve's suggestion of doing separate tickets and separate branches for zesty & xenial
[17:20] <robru> it seems really onerous to me to have to prepare twice as many MPs but perhaps it's less onerous than the problem you're facing of overlay and trunk being out of sync
[17:21] <mzanetti> robru, if we continue to land to xenial+overlay, I consider that as quite some overhead tbh. I kinda like the dual landing approach, even knowing that it does have some drawbacks, but the amount of saved work and time in preparing and testing seems big to me. but in the end its not my call, as saviq does most of the landing when he's around.
[17:22] <mzanetti> no... I think dealing with the problem we're facing atm is less efforts
[17:22] <robru> mzanetti: well in theory it shouldn't save you any testing time, you're supposed to verify both xenial and zesty. it's just that it saves you having to manage two different branches
[17:23] <mzanetti> robru, should we parhaps jump on a hangout with saviq? tomorrow he should be back.
[17:23] <robru> mzanetti: could do
[17:23] <mzanetti> ok. I'll brief him on the issue in the morning and come back to you
[17:24] <robru> mzanetti: alright thanks. around this time is good for me
[17:28] <mzanetti> ok. works for us too normally
[17:33] <dobey> robru: to chime in, i have to agree with mzanetti that the "manage N branches and duplicate landings for every chnage" is not a reasonable option
[17:34] <robru> dobey: please convince steve of that, he seems to think that branch management is trivial ;-)
[17:34] <dobey> robru: i would be ~fine with holding publishing into overlay until proposed migration has finished though
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- dednick mterry, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2291 Successfully built
[17:36] <dobey> robru: eh, i don't see why we'd need to convince him. this seems like a bileto issue, not an ubuntu archive issue.
[17:36] <robru> dobey: well he was my boss until a week ago. ;-)
[17:36] <dobey> oh
[17:38] <dobey> robru: well, how difficult it would it be to implement that change in bileto to wait for proposed-migration before publishing overlay targets?
[17:40] <robru> dobey: it's a bit tricky because there's a catch-22. the current code waits for all packages to report 'Release pocket' (or 'Updates pocket') before initiating auto-merging. so if I just move the copy code to merge time, merging will never be triggered. would need some more refined logic to trigger merging just when primary series are in release/updates,
[17:40] <robru> then overload "merging" for secondary series to mean "copying to overlay". it could be done but it's a bit of a hassle, breaks some fundamental assumptions about the workflow.
[17:41] <dobey> hmm
[17:41] <robru> also I have other priorities, like snap support
[17:43] <dobey> sure
[17:44] <dobey> i'd say unity8 should be more agile really. it's too monolithic in terms of landings right now
[17:46] <dobey> anyway
[17:56] <mzanetti> mostly lp:unity-api causes that issue
[17:56] <mzanetti> perhaps we might move some stuff away from there...
[17:56] <mzanetti> like the launcher api really wouldn't need to be in there
[17:56] <mzanetti> and for the application-api I'm not convinced either
[17:57] <mzanetti> which leaves us with notifications (barely touched) and scopes as the last issue
[17:58] <mzanetti> but well, sometimes the same happens with mir landings, or qtmir
[17:58] <mzanetti> I don't think it's really unity8's fault that it's too monolithic (except we could try to optimize it a bit) but it's really that it just sits on top of the whole stack
[18:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2309 Publishing packages
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2313 Successfully built
[18:19] <vigo_> sil2100, ping
[18:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2247 Abandoning ticket
[18:27] <vigo_> sil2100, I think something's happening in ubuntu-touch/staging/ubuntu
[18:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2314 Preparing packages
[18:28] <vigo_> I use it for frieza_arm64 and latest images let the device unusable
[18:28] <vigo_> take a look when you have time please
[18:28] <vigo_> https://pastebin.canonical.com/173911/
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2309 Release pocket (zesty/util-linux). UNAPPROVED queue (xenial/util-linux, yakkety/util-linux)
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2314 zesty/unity8: Failed to merge https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/appdrawer-improvements
[18:54] <dobey> mzanetti: by "monolithic" i mean y'all collect lots of MPs into a single silo, and so sometimes MPs sit around for weeks waiting to land, when they could basically just go through when approved. they aren't necessarily affected by qtmir/miral/scopes/etc
[18:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2314 Ready to build
[18:55] <dobey> though when debian/control needs to get changed, things can get particularly annoying
[18:55] <mzanetti> dobey, the size of our silos isn't really our problem... it's really the debian packaging version bumps of the dependencies
[18:57] <dobey> mzanetti: well, the former is partly a result of the latter
[18:58] <dobey> mzanetti: or can i just throw https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/unity8/drop-payments/+merge/312500 in a silo now and go ahead and get it landed?
[19:03] <mzanetti> you ask which the next silo is, and we'll land it with it
[19:03] <mzanetti> I mean, sure, for drive-by contributions it's probably a bit odd that landing things can take so long
[19:04] <mzanetti> but we have established a workflow in the team that can deal with those big silos
[19:09] <dobey> https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/active?search=unity8 <- seems to all be "testing" silos
[19:10] <dobey> of some not especially small features
[19:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub)
[19:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Preparing packages
[19:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Currently building (xenial/telephony-service). Failed to build (zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, zesty/dialer-app)
[20:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- boiko tiagosh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2283 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service, zesty/telephony-service). Successfully built (xenial/dialer-app, zesty/dialer-app)
[21:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Pending binary packages (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/camera-app, xenial/content-hub, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/camera-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[22:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Successfully built
[23:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2312 Pending binary packages (xenial/gnome-desktop3). Ready to build (zesty/gnome-desktop3)
[23:41] <robru> jgdx: gnome in xenial overlay?
[23:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2312 Ready to build (zesty/gnome-desktop3). Successfully built (xenial/gnome-desktop3)


[00:07] <cprov> wgrant: here I am
[00:07] <wgrant> cprov: Hi
[00:08] <wgrant> cprov: What's the status of https://code.launchpad.net/~cjohnston/launchpad/fix-word-break/+merge/219285? I think that can land, can't it?
[00:08] <cprov> wgrant: I've landed the working bits from it yesterday
[00:09] <wgrant> cprov: What about the pending publish_inline_comments default change?
[00:09] <cprov> wgrant: it will be better fixed by my WIP branch
[00:09] <wgrant> Great. Should that be Rejected?
[00:10] <cprov> yes
[00:39] <wgrant> cjohnston, cprov: I know it's getting late, but do you guys have time for a quick status call? If not, your tomorrow is fine.
[00:39] <cprov> wgrant: sure
[00:40] <cjohnston> sure.. give me 5 min
[00:41] <cjohnston> ok.. maybe only 2.. ready whenever
[00:43] <wgrant> cjohnston, cprov: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpjfd54idrcghi0or1q0ia4o
[00:44] <wgrant> (finally worked out how to create one)
[00:46] <cjohnston> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjohnston/launchpad/publish-ic-link
[00:51] <cjohnston> cprov: ^
[00:57] <cprov> https://oops.canonical.com/oops/?oopsid=OOPS-2585482ac97b2e5a570df8e24888e181
[12:38] <cjohnston> wgrant: are you good with marking bug #918284 as wontfix now?
[12:38] <_mup_> Bug #918284: Use Ubuntu Mono webfont so all users see it <css> <Launchpad itself:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/918284>
[12:39] <wgrant> cjohnston: Good point, done.
[12:40]  * cjwatson writes a somewhat hair-raising caching wrapper for various launchpadlib objects for cdimage
[12:41] <cjohnston> wgrant: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjohnston/launchpad/883258/+merge/215332 can also be rejected
[12:41] <cjohnston> since I don't have the ability
[12:42] <wgrant> cjohnston: Huh, you should be able to reject your own.
[12:42] <wgrant> But done.
[12:42] <cjohnston> All I see is WIP, Needs review, Merged..
[12:42] <cjohnston> I guess because I'm not a part of ~somelpteam
[12:50] <danilos> heya all, how do I get to see/use inline comments? I know I used to be a part of launchpad-beta-testers team, is that still what it takes?
[12:51] <cjohnston> danilos: it isn't available yet
[12:51] <wgrant> Hopefully some time next week for some internal teams that nag a lot :)
[12:51] <danilos> cjohnston, interesting, somebody seems to have used it yesterday and now I can't see their comments on the MP
[12:52] <danilos> wgrant, heh, can I nag a lot too? :)
[12:53] <wgrant> danilos: Bah, they weren't meant to use it outside the CI/LP projects, to avoid this :)
[12:56] <danilos> wgrant, well, I can read emails about it, so there is a work-around to get to the comments :)
[13:13] <cjohnston> wgrant: with the changes that are happening at a decent pace and the fact that we are doing the testing of IC, do you think we should release LP more frequently right now to allow more testing of the newer changes before next week?
[13:15] <wgrant> cjohnston: When we have relevant changes to deploy, sure.
[13:16] <cjohnston> wgrant: I was thinking that both the empty lines around IC and the FF issue were both something that would be nice to get out sooner rather than later
[13:16] <cjohnston> the first is a nice usability thing, the second could potentially just cause issues
[13:17] <wgrant> Oh, I'd forgotten about the linebreaking fix.
[13:19] <cjohnston> I just marked the monospace bug as qa-ok, were you wanting to QA it as well, or are you good with it
[13:19] <wgrant> I've seen it in action already :)
[13:20] <cjohnston> cool
[22:54] <wgrant> cprov: Hangout when you're around?


[14:59] <alecu> hello!
[15:00] <marcustomlinson> hello
[15:03] <dpm> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYeswqrUEsFk0DLnle-xU4bkb18rKMHWhuuUA8A9XE_6-SS_tQ
[15:03] <dpm> for whoever wants to join the hangout
[15:21] <alecu> The Unity Scope Tool is a real time saver when developing scopes (compared to the emulator or even a device). I highly recommend it.
[15:21] <dpm> indeed!
[15:27] <Guest60718> Is building scopes with Python as supported as in qt?
[15:27] <avoine> QUESTION: is it to soon to use the golang api for building scope?
[15:28] <dpm> thanks Guest60718, avoine, we'll get to your questions in a minute
[15:29] <pstolowski> Guest60718, python is not supported
[15:29] <pstolowski> avoine, Go is supported
[15:29] <pstolowski> avoine, we have go bindings for scopes api
[15:29] <alecu> QUESTION: how do you make the query refresh when a settings change?
[15:30] <pasimako> QUESTION: Can I skip preview and execute url link directly from query results?
[15:31] <thostr_> avoine: see also https://godoc.org/launchpad.net/go-unityscopes/v1
[15:32] <avoine> ok, thanks
[15:33] <avoine> QUESTION: Can you explain how you would build a permanent cache for things like images for example.
[15:33] <avoine> or even json
[15:34] <pasimako> thank you
[15:34] <dpm> fast food on the menu!
[15:34] <dpm> adding location to your scopes in 2 minutes :)
[15:34] <dslul_> QUESTION: how can you change departments at runtime when, for example, a different filter is selected?
[15:40] <avoine> great thanks
[15:51] <belkinsa> Who is running the next session>
[15:51] <dslul_> QUESTION: is it possible to manually change the selected department from code?
[15:53] <belkinsa> dholbach, which session are you going to be in?  This one or the ISO one?  And do you know who is hosting this one?
[15:54] <dholbach> belkinsa: no idea - I just pinged dpm about it :)
[15:54] <belkinsa> I saw
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> hey all
[15:55] <belkinsa> And there he is! akiva-thinkpad, are you hosting it?
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> belkinsa, would rather not; I'm a hosting newb
[15:55] <akiva-thinkpad> the session at least
[15:56] <belkinsa> Oh, okay.  dholbach or dpm will do it for you.
[15:56] <akiva-thinkpad> cool beans
[15:57] <alecu> bye!
[15:57] <avoine> great session, thanks a lot!
[15:58] <dpm> hi akiva-thinkpad, I'll start the session in a minute and give you the link
[15:58] <akiva-thinkpad> sounds cool
[16:01] <belkinsa> I guess i need to start it...
[16:01] <dpm> akiva-thinkpad, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw
[16:01] <dpm> belkinsa, ah, just saw your message
[16:01] <belkinsa> Thanks
[16:01] <dpm> have you started a session already? Or are you joining that one ^ ?
[16:02] <belkinsa> No, I haven't
[16:02] <belkinsa> I was confused on who was going to do it
[16:02] <belkinsa> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw
[16:03] <belkinsa> I'm in
[16:03] <belkinsa> Bah, stupid firefox
[16:03] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:04] <belkinsa> Go ahead and start it, I will join later, fi I can
[16:05] <akiva-thinkpad> irc good to go?
[16:05] <dpm> hi all, is the feed coming all right?
[16:06] <belkinsa> Feed is good and streaming
[16:08] <belkinsa> akiva-thinkpad, I think that is the common thing is that people do want to program
[16:10] <belkinsa_> This seems to related to this session as Ali said:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22335/howto-to-use-your-skills-and-experience-to-find-a-job/
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> yah I saw that
[16:11] <belkinsa_> Ah, good.  I was just checking
[16:11] <akiva-thinkpad> heh I sort of lamented this session after I saw that
[16:14] <belkinsa> There we are!
[16:16] <belkinsa> Here is one example of one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa
[16:17] <belkinsa> Sorry, need to rejoin
[16:17] <cheesehead> Hall of Fame and Ubuntu Accomplishments fell into disuse for valid reasons. Any attempt to ressurect those should address those reasons
[16:19] <belkinsa> Bah
[16:21] <akiva-thinkpad> beklinsa
[16:21] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:22] <belkinsa> Sorry, I thought everthing was working.
[16:25] <toddcnb> a nice certificate of appreciation for loco's to use for greeters at events and places that offer meeting space or local contributions
[16:26] <cheesehead> toddcnb: Not clear to me - who is appreciating the LoCo?
[16:29] <toddcnb> we use schools and restaurants to host meetings and events I would like to thanks them in some-way also we have a lot of non tech people that help with lots of loacal events that I often forget to say thank you for their help
[16:29] <cheesehead> toddcnb: Ah, so LoCos do the appreviating. Yes, that works.
[16:29] <cheesehead> s/v/c
[16:30] <cheesehead> I generally see three types of positive feedback: Simple/automated, interpersonal/relationship, and formal
[16:30] <cheesehead> So far, we've talked about formal - the harest and most resource-intensive
[16:31] <toddcnb> if we had a nice official Ubuntu certificate for them to display
[16:32] <toddcnb> even business that promote Ubuntu would like that
[16:32] <cheesehead> toddcnb: I don;t see why a recognized LoCo can't knock something lovely together. Just as official no matter who drwas it
[16:32] <akiva-thinkpad> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcjXBa0llihbI2UJGrENRz4ChJKvxtUie4x7C0PCCrm3W6xKw come join
[16:33] <belkinsa> Maybe the use of the LoCo with this peer to peer programing could give people reason to get their Membership.
[16:33] <belkinsa> And it could help the LoCo community grow.
[16:34] <cheesehead> belkinsa: Right. LoCos are an example of interpersonal/relationship incentive.
[16:36] <belkinsa> Some sort of LoCo Programing outreach program is what I have in mind but I think outreach may be the wrong word.
[16:36] <belkinsa> This is could be also tied with those programming lessons that dpm and the others are working on.
[16:37] <belkinsa> I think App development days or whatever they are.
[16:37] <toddcnb> many loco's like ours are mostly users few programmers but other loco's are able to assit programming projects
[16:38] <ali1234> the UK loco channel is pretty technical but we don't do anything technical towards ubuntu
[16:38]  * cheesehead failed to join the hangout
[16:39] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting
[16:39] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[16:40] <ali1234> we all do our own things. the only thing UK loco people have in common is we live in the UK. many people there don't even use ubuntu
[16:40] <akiva-thinkpad> If you went to the loco; what do you want to see in regards to an event?
[16:40] <ali1234> actually even that isn't true, plenty of people live abroad as well
[16:40] <ali1234> "went" to the loco?
[16:41] <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Many different kinds of events: Seimnars on topis, show-off meetings, installfests, bug sprints, etc
[16:42] <cheesehead> Going out and having coffee may be non-didactic, but it does build resume references. That's the networking part.
[16:42] <ali1234> the UK loco is pretty much just an IRC channel with people who speak english in it
[16:43] <cheesehead> I know a couple people who got Linux jobs based on knowing people from a local user group.
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting
[16:43] <akiva-thinkpad> really?
[16:43] <toddcnb> ubuntu hours are great to fix minor issues and chat with other linux users and show off programs and setups
[16:44] <cheesehead> Is there interest in ressurecting automated feedback/incentives like Ubuntu Accomplishments, or soes everybody just want to get a job?
[16:45] <cheesehead> Some of us already have non-technical jobs, and aren't interested in getting a Linux job.
[16:45] <ali1234> gamification feels like a way to get people to work for free
[16:45] <ali1234> maybe that's just me though
[16:45] <cheesehead> ali1234: Motivates some people, demotivates others. Not for everyone.
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha
[16:46] <akiva-thinkpad> true
[16:46] <belkinsa> ali1234, I agree and it doesn't really promote how good someone is
[16:47] <belkinsa> Wait, I can read.
[16:47] <toddcnb> installfests are very popular for our community
[16:47] <ali1234> many of the old accomplishments weren't even automatic, you had get someone else to verify it
[16:47] <akiva-thinkpad> toddcnb, really?
[16:47] <belkinsa> gamification will promote getting people in but I think there should a way to prove how good people are.
[16:47] <belkinsa> In the skills.
[16:48] <toddcnb> akiva-thinkpad: yes we do two each month but could do 4-5 if we had help
[16:49] <belkinsa> Ali is applying
[16:50] <belkinsa> He just said that on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards#A22:00
[16:50] <cheesehead> belkinsa: I think we can all agree that gamification is inappropriate for gauging skills and advanced recognition. But there may be a place for it for new entrants and initial contributions.
[16:51] <belkinsa> I agree with it being a place to get people into the Community and get them started.  For there, because they learned the skills, they can maybe apply for the Membership or something like that.
[16:51] <belkinsa> But how will that get them a job in real life, buT can get my answer in Ali's session.
[16:52] <cheesehead> Instead of building new tools, perhaps we should look at existing tools - are we unintentionally giving null- or non-positive feedback to on-ramping contributors?
[16:53] <cheesehead> Learning to Triage bugs in the Bug Squad, for example, is not easy. A simpler on-ramp may help reduce their turnover.
[16:53] <belkinsa> cheesehead, +1
[16:53] <ali1234> triage is easy
[16:54] <ali1234> just ask if they've tested on the most recent version and set the bug to incomplete
[16:54] <belkinsa> Maybe we need to reboot 5-A-Day or something like that
[16:54] <akiva-thinkpad> http://www.reddit.com/r/UbuntuAppDev/
[16:54] <cheesehead> belkinsa: But why do 5-a-day? What's the incentive?
[16:55] <belkinsa> Good point.
[16:55] <belkinsa> Never mind
[16:55] <belkinsa> Thanks for the session.
[16:55] <ali1234> btw, the ubuntu-sdk is not something i have ever needed to use while contributing, and i don't see myself ever needing to use it
[16:55] <cheesehead> 5-a-day seems like a good candidate for gamification.
[16:56] <akiva-thinkpad> :)
[16:56] <belkinsa> cheesehead, yes, but I  think that is only for bugs, but could be moved to development/coding
[16:57] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, the sdk is still not complete either.
[16:57] <belkinsa> Could this help also: http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ProjectHarvest
[16:57] <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat
[16:57] <cheesehead> belkinsa: +1
[16:58] <ali1234> akiva-thinkpad: i only use xubuntu, i've no interest in QML app-dev or whatever it's supposed to be used for
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, A performance hound!
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> :D
[16:59] <ali1234> i have contributed to ubuntu platform components only to the extent that they are used in xubuntu
[16:59] <dpm> thanks everyone!
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, qml is mainly for the phone which will eventually come out.
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> the qml apps can work on xubuntu though
[16:59] <ali1234> yeah, again, not interesting to me at all
[16:59] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[17:00]  * akiva-thinkpad finds the next session
[17:00] <ali1234> if you want me to contribute to that stuff the first thing you need to do is convince me to use it
[17:00] <ali1234> but that will be difficult
[17:00] <cheesehead> ali1234: Okay, how do we convince you to use a certain tool?
[17:00] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, The pragmatism is strong with this one ~
[17:00] <ali1234> cheesehead: make it better than the others?
[17:01] <cheesehead> ali1234: So your only criteria is 'better'?
[17:01] <cheesehead> Not more convenient?
[17:01] <cheesehead> Or familiar?
[17:01] <ali1234> yes, for my personal definition of "better"?
[17:01] <ali1234> no, nothing to do with familiarity, i only switched to xubuntu a year ago
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, well qml's main selling point will be touch inteface with the phone. Do you see yourself eventually getting an ubuntu phone?
[17:01] <ali1234> no.
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm
[17:01] <akiva-thinkpad> ubuntu TV?
[17:01] <ali1234> no
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> hmmmm
[17:02] <ali1234> i don't even have a TV
[17:02] <cheesehead> ali1234: If we don't know your personal definition of 'better', we cannot convince you of anything. So why would we bother? Do what you want.
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> good
[17:02] <akiva-thinkpad> tv's are evil time wasters
[17:02] <cheesehead> ali1234: It simply meant you're not a good consumer for the 'incentives' under discussion. You seem self-motivated.
[17:03] <ali1234> yes, very much. really the only way to make me contribute more would be to write even more buggy code
[17:03]  * cheesehead writes that down
[17:03] <akiva-thinkpad> ha ha
[17:03] <akiva-thinkpad> mental note: write more buggier code.
[17:04] <akiva-thinkpad> btw thanks for joining the irc chat; it made it a lot easier to run my first uos session.
[17:05] <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Sure. Does this mean we can eliminate the get-a-job session later? We seem to have covered that ground.
[17:05] <akiva-thinkpad> cheesehead, doesn't matter to me.
[17:05] <cheesehead> akiva-thinkpad: Nor me.
[17:06] <akiva-thinkpad> although truth be told; I would have cancelled it if I had known that session was going on
[17:06]  * akiva-thinkpad grabs some pumpkin pie
[17:07] <ali1234> the reasons i prefer xubuntu involve a lot of things but largely: it is entirely designed for desktop, nothing else. it's a very small code base which is easy to learn all of, and it's a horizontal rather than vertical stack
[17:08] <cheesehead> ali1234: Xubuntu is nice. I used it for many years.
[17:08] <ali1234> by which i mean it shares pieces with a lot of other projects, rather than being a custom UI with custom toolkit running on a custom display server, none of which is used anywhere else
[17:08] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, have you tried lubuntu as well?
[17:09] <ali1234> so if i fix a bug in Gtk it doesn't just help xubuntu
[17:09] <genupulas> so here anybody can talk ?
[17:09] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, that is very true.
[17:09] <cheesehead> genupulas: Yes
[17:09] <akiva-thinkpad> genupulas, yep;
[17:09] <genupulas> ok
[17:10] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, so interestingly a developer from xfce was on linux unplugged podcast awhile back
[17:10] <ali1234> i haven't really tried lubuntu, no. i might if they get some reasonable Qt release going
[17:10] <ali1234> akiva-thinkpad: which one?
[17:10] <akiva-thinkpad> he indicated that XFCE does need some contributors.
[17:10] <ali1234> yeah, i know, i've mostly been working upstream
[17:10] <akiva-thinkpad> I can't recall
[17:11] <ali1234> was probably nick
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> I'm not terribly familiar with xfce; but it was made out to seem that the developer community there was more enthuthiast as opposed to official.
[17:11] <ali1234> absolutely
[17:11] <ali1234> i don't think anyone anywhere is paid to work on xubuntu
[17:11] <ali1234> er, xfce
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, so that is interesting ; you contribute upstream to xfce?
[17:11] <ali1234> well, either really
[17:11] <akiva-thinkpad> heh
[17:12] <ali1234> i contribute upstream to all projects
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, o_O
[17:12] <ali1234> i've patches in the kernel, gtk, more stuff than i can remember
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> wow
[17:12] <ali1234> when i hit a bug and it affects me, i fix it
[17:12] <akiva-thinkpad> what are you working on these days?
[17:12] <ali1234> hence, i fix what i use
[17:13] <ali1234> last thing i sent a patch for was xfce task manager
[17:14] <ali1234> that was for a bug found in xubuntu testing
[17:14] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting. Do you use github, launchpad, subversion?
[17:14] <ali1234> i use github and launchpad a lot. also errors.ubuntu.com. subversion... only as long as it takes to import the repo into git
[17:15] <ali1234> xfce also has it's own git repos
[17:15] <ali1234> what i think is really lacking is communication between distros and upstream
[17:15] <ali1234> i find so many bugs on distro bug trackers, especially launchpad
[17:16] <ali1234> and upstream doesn't even know about them
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, yah I get that a lot with my compiz bugs
[17:16] <ali1234> oh yeah, compiz
[17:16] <ali1234> i've got a commit on 0.8, but that was after canonical forked it
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> oh neat
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> what for?
[17:16] <ali1234> so probably nobody is using my fix
[17:16] <akiva-thinkpad> ha
[17:16] <ali1234> fixing the ezoom plugin to work with multimonitor
[17:17] <ali1234> most of my patches are trivial as well, like anyone with a bit of critical thinking could find these bugs
[17:17] <ali1234> that and lots of free time
[17:17] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, oh nice. best feature of compiz imo
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, what do you use for your ide?
[17:18] <ali1234> yeah, i agree, that's why i ported it to xfwm
[17:18] <ali1234> i don't use an ide
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> really?
[17:18] <ali1234> i used to use gedit until they ruined it, now i use mousepad
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> vim emacS?
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[17:18] <ali1234> if i am in a terminal i use nano
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> never heard of mousepad
[17:18] <akiva-thinkpad> have you ever tried geany?
[17:18] <ali1234> it's exactly like how gedit used to be
[17:18] <ali1234> i found geany to be slightly ugly and very slow
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> maybe.
[17:19] <ali1234> i like gtksourceview *shrug*
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> I like geany because its easy to run python in it.
[17:19] <ali1234> tat's what terminals are for?
[17:19] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, just saves a second.
[17:20] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, one thing I also like is that it works with ubuntu's hud. That is really the selling point for me in unity
[17:20] <akiva-thinkpad> And what I missed in xfce.
[17:20] <ali1234> oh jesus no
[17:20] <akiva-thinkpad> not the dash; the hud :P
[17:21] <ali1234> the hud is horrible, i used unity for over a year and the first thing i did when reinstalling is unbind alt
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> although I like the dash as well.
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> ah
[17:21] <ali1234> the second thing i did was unbind the windows key
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> interesting
[17:21] <ali1234> the third thing was turn off overlay scrollbars and global menu
[17:21] <akiva-thinkpad> different strokes for different folks. I love the hud with gimp because most of the options do not have a shortcut key associated with it.
[17:22] <ali1234> painting with keyboard... senseful?
[17:22] <ali1234> i really dislike this push towards keyboard shortcuts... for years ui designers told us how much users hate keyboard shortcuts and typing things
[17:22] <ali1234> ut now apparently they love it
[17:23] <akiva-thinkpad> ha true that
[17:23] <ali1234> well, except when they are using apps... then it all has to be touch controls
[17:25] <ali1234> anyway, my feeling to getting more contributors... and this was raised in the previous session too... first you need to stop losing them
[17:25] <ali1234> and that's something i've been saying for years now
[17:25] <akiva-thinkpad> ali1234, how do you do that?
[17:26] <ali1234> well, stop chasing users at the expense of people like me
[17:26] <ali1234> i used unity for years, tried to contribute, it was just a mess
[17:26] <ali1234> eventually gave up and went to xubuntu
[17:26] <ali1234> i reported many bugs in that time
[17:26] <ali1234> nearly all of them are still open
[17:27] <akiva-thinkpad> yah it would be good to perhaps indicate that unity7 or compiz are not in active development.
[17:27] <ali1234> the unity stack is huge and vertical and i never could even figure out which part was broken, let alone fix it
[17:27] <ali1234> unity 8 is no better... it is just different
[17:27] <ali1234> i do still watch the development
[17:28] <ali1234> in a way i am glad i never bothered to learn unity 7, because it's dead now
[17:28] <akiva-thinkpad> I have mainly contributed to the core apps; havn't delved much into unity8 itself
[17:28] <ali1234> the phone stuff isn't usable yet
[17:28] <akiva-thinkpad>  I know the feeling of trying to track down what lever pushes what button.
[17:28] <ali1234> you need people who fix what they use
[17:28] <ali1234> first then, you need people using it
[17:29] <akiva-thinkpad> One of my complains is sometimes it is unclear where to file bugs for certain projects
[17:29] <ali1234> right now, people can only use unity 7 day to day
[17:29] <ali1234> but that's dead, so even if they do fix it, it's not worth much
[17:29] <ali1234> constant API churn and rewriting things instead of fixing them has been a problem for a long time now
[17:30] <ali1234> it basically makes it impossible for people to fix what they use
[17:30] <ali1234> because the development version is constantly too buggy to use, and the stable version is maintenance only
[17:30] <ali1234> like i said, i've been harping on about these problems for years
[17:30] <ali1234> just ask popey; he's bored of listening to this rant now
[17:31] <ali1234> anyway, gotta go for dinner
[17:31] <ali1234> cya later
[17:31] <akiva-thinkpad> later
[17:31] <akiva-thinkpad> lol
[17:31] <akiva-thinkpad> see you around
[18:53] <dwvisser> Satisfied Lubuntu 14.04 LTS user here. (Installed on 2 machines at home at several at work used for software development.)
[18:53] <wxl> wow we already got a convo going on neat :)
[18:54] <dwvisser> oops... *and* several at work
[18:54] <joern_> hi everyone!
[18:55] <wxl> yeah well i'm at work too :)
[18:55] <dwvisser> Hello. Where is everyone in meatspace. I'm in the USA.
[18:55] <wxl> but about to go at lunch to do this
[18:55] <wxl> ok i'm headed for it
[18:59] <wxl> 30 seconds
[19:00] <wxl> um is it up?
[19:00] <ianorlin> confirmed up
[19:00] <belkinsa> And you are live!
[19:01] <belkinsa> I see you!
[19:02] <joern_> I'm watching it, too
[19:02] <joern_> :D
[19:02] <wxl> can you all see the slides/
[19:02] <joern_> but I still don't know how I can join and stuff :P
[19:02] <belkinsa> Blackscreen, wxl
[19:02] <wxl> black screen?
[19:02] <belkinsa> I see them now!
[19:02] <belkinsa> Video lag
[19:03] <joern_> yes, the slides are there
[19:03] <amjjawad> wxl:
[19:03] <amjjawad> I can see it :)
[19:03] <joern_> hi amjjawad
[19:03] <gilir> is there a link somewhere to join the hangout ? :-)
[19:03] <amjjawad> joern_: hello :)
[19:03] <joern_> wxl: you are in a public toilet, aren't you?
[19:03] <joern_> :D
[19:03] <gilir> Looks like a 1 man presentation for now :-)
[19:03] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I failed to sleep :(
[19:04] <amjjawad> joern_: hehehe
[19:04] <joern_> o/ gilir
[19:04] <belkinsa> There should be a Join Hangout on the page
[19:04] <phillw> gilir:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/community-1411-latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/
[19:04] <belkinsa> wxl, which the side
[19:04] <phillw> you need to me signed on, iirc
[19:05] <amjjawad> wxl: you need to post the link here so people could join
[19:05] <amjjawad> click on "invite" on google hangout and copy-paste the link and post it here
[19:05] <joern_> hi phillw
[19:06] <phillw> ho joern_
[19:06] <jose> link is on summit if you marked you were very interested in attending
[19:06] <jose> or are required
[19:06] <belkinsa> Did wxl forgot to switch the side?
[19:06] <amjjawad> jose: I know. Some other people don't though
[19:06] <jose> that's why I wrote it here :)
[19:07] <amjjawad> and that is why I asked wxl to post the link here to make life easier ;)
[19:07] <gilir> phillw, I am only on listen-only mode with this link, but maybe it's on purpose for the beginning of the session
[19:07] <joern_> me too
[19:07] <joern_> :D
[19:08] <amjjawad> wxl: your slide does not work
[19:08]  * belkinsa is listening too
[19:08] <phillw> gilir: belkinsa is the person to sort that out, that's why we have her :)
[19:08] <joern_> but that's better, I guess you don't want to hear my terrible english ^^
[19:08] <amjjawad> wxl: it is on the first page only
[19:08] <belkinsa> I think he can't see the IRC
[19:08] <joern_> that's right
[19:08] <amjjawad> belkinsa: indeed
[19:08] <belkinsa> But I think he post those sides somewhere
[19:08] <MarcT> Need to change the slides
[19:09] <belkinsa> Who is in the hangout with him?  Tell me.
[19:09] <amjjawad> well, someone with good English needs to join him and talk to him ;)
[19:09] <belkinsa> Tell him*
[19:09] <amjjawad> No one as far as I can tell
[19:10] <ianorlin> team :D
[19:10] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I thought you will attend my session :(
[19:11] <amjjawad> looks like it is the time zone belkinsa
[19:11] <belkinsa> amjjawad, I don't have something sable
[19:11] <gilir> hopefuly, we will have the slides after the session :-)
[19:11] <belkinsa> I wanted to host one today but I wasn't able because my computer
[19:11] <belkinsa> gilir, hopefully
[19:11] <amjjawad> belkinsa: what is wrong with your computer?
[19:12] <belkinsa> Yes, and I will fix it
[19:12] <amjjawad> belkinsa: hope so :)
[19:13] <belkinsa> To bad that you can't do hangouts on air on a tablet taht well
[19:13]  * amjjawad when will wxl see the IRC?
[19:13] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I do prefer computers rather than stuff like tablets ..
[19:14] <amjjawad> belkinsa: I don't even have a tab and I don't want to
[19:14] <belkinsa> Same here
[19:14] <joern_> well if I could make Lubuntu completely running on my tablet, I would like it ^^
[19:14] <joern_> but the wifi isn't working
[19:14] <amjjawad> joern_: It is not the system in my case, it is just that I feel myself with a keyboard and buttons
[19:15] <amjjawad> touch thing is not my thing :)
[19:15] <amjjawad> joern_: maybe when ToriOS is out, that would be possible :D
[19:15] <joern_> :P
[19:16] <belkinsa> \o/
[19:18] <amjjawad> why this session about the team?
[19:18] <amjjawad> I thought it is about the dev side?!
[19:18] <belkinsa> What happened?
[19:18] <amjjawad> disconnected
[19:18] <joern_> maybe something with the water closed he's obviously sitting on? ;-)
[19:19]  * belkinsa thinks doing this session via iRC is better
[19:19] <joern_> *closet
[19:19] <belkinsa> ;)
[19:19] <amjjawad> joern_: hahah
[19:19] <wxl> argh
[19:19] <wxl> what the hell :(
[19:19] <belkinsa> You need a new hangout and start again
[19:19] <joern_> wb Walter
[19:19] <amjjawad> finally you looked at the IRC :D wxl
[19:19] <belkinsa> start that one and move one*
[19:19] <wxl> so the slides didn't work??? :(
[19:19] <amjjawad> your slide wasn't working
[19:19] <amjjawad> wxl: nope
[19:19] <wxl> sorry it's hard to see slides and irc at the same time
[19:19] <belkinsa> wxl, F5 and scroll through the,
[19:19] <wxl> i'll try again
[19:19] <wxl> i did belkinsa
[19:20] <belkinsa> Oh, really?
[19:20] <belkinsa> Strange
[19:20] <marcLBPSB> Not able to hear or see anything?
[19:20] <amjjawad> if you click on the link, you should go back again wxl
[19:20] <belkinsa> wxl is having problem
[19:20] <phillw> marcLBPSB:  hangout reset... just re-starting
[19:21] <marcLBPSB> cool....back in
[19:21] <marcLBPSB> sound is echo now..hearing everything twice
[19:22] <joern_> no echo for me
[19:22] <belkinsa> QUESTION: Will the sides be posted somewhere?
[19:22] <joern_> there is someone in the background
[19:22] <belkinsa> Yes
[19:22] <joern_> bit small, but I see it
[19:22] <amjjawad> wxl: yes
[19:22] <marcLBPSB> can see but sound is echo x 2
[19:22] <amjjawad> can you make it bigger wxl
[19:22] <belkinsa> Not really, no echo for me
[19:22] <ianorlin> I can see it
[19:22] <phillw> yup
[19:23] <amjjawad> no echo here
[19:23] <phillw> no echo here
[19:23] <joern_> yay, scrolling slides
[19:23] <joern_> !
[19:24] <belkinsa> Sorry for the repost
[19:24] <belkinsa> wxl, QUESTION: Will the sides be posted somewhere? (if you want to answer it in the end go ahead)
[19:24] <amjjawad> why don't you guys join him?!
[19:24] <amjjawad> don't be shy to share your voice :P
[19:24] <belkinsa> Still no scroll
[19:25] <ianorlin> link ?
[19:25] <amjjawad> https://plus.google.com/events/cjplq7nnhal3decmvu8afk516mk
[19:25] <MarcT> I had two windows open at same time which explains the echo....sorry
[19:25] <amjjawad> MarcT: ;)
[19:26] <belkinsa> Scrolling now!
[19:26] <belkinsa> \o/
[19:33] <wxl> gilir: are you ready?
[19:34] <gilir> wxl, yes, but I suppose to talk alone ?
[19:35] <wxl> gilir: just come on and you'll take over
[19:35] <MarcT> When will 14.10 become an LTS release
[19:35] <joern_> never :P
[19:35] <ianorlin> Where do you report bugs with LXQt if you find them?
[19:35] <wxl> it's an automatic thing about hangouts
[19:35] <joern_> it's not supposed to
[19:35] <gilir> wxl, I'm already on the hangout
[19:35] <wxl> gilir: nope
[19:35] <joern_> wxl: I guess you need to invite or something
[19:36] <wxl> invited
[19:36] <gilir> ianorlin, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-next
[19:37] <gilir> or if you are sure it's upstream : https://github.com/lxde/lxqt/issues
[19:37] <gilir> wxl, I already click on the link, but I'm on listen-only mode
[19:37] <wxl> gilir: change that
[19:38] <gilir> wxl, how do you do that ?
[19:39]  * gilir try to disconnect / reconnect
[19:39] <belkinsa> Is there an unmute for mic for you?
[19:39] <belkinsa> gilir^^^
[19:39] <wxl> it's that he's not even in the hangout
[19:39] <wxl> can ANYONE actually join the hangout?
[19:40] <joern_> not me
[19:40] <phillw> needs an invite, iirc
[19:40] <gilir> wxl, I think nobody can join
[19:40] <belkinsa> What is the link again?
[19:40] <phillw> belkinsa: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1411/meeting/22341/community-1411-latest-developments-in-lubuntu-development/
[19:40] <gilir> I remember first UOS, you saw the people connected to the hangout
[19:41] <wxl> https://plus.google.com/events/cjplq7nnhal3decmvu8afk516mk
[19:41] <gilir> and now, I see nobody execpt wxl
[19:41] <belkinsa> Use the link that you have for the hangout that you are in.
[19:41] <wxl> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAexc11cnL-K9M5hv4-NuvJixppCPs0lztE6XVus1cjW2dFA?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:41] <wxl> that?
[19:41] <belkinsa> Yes
[19:41] <wxl> oh jeez :/
[19:41]  * wxl facepalms
[19:42] <belkinsa> Link works
[19:42] <belkinsa> gilir, use that link
[19:42] <belkinsa> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAexc11cnL-K9M5hv4-NuvJixppCPs0lztE6XVus1cjW2dFA?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:43] <belkinsa> I can too
[19:43] <wxl> hi jörn
[19:43] <belkinsa> Where is gilir from?
[19:43] <wxl> france i believe
[19:44] <joern_> finally
[19:44] <belkinsa> He kind of sounds like Gru.  ;)
[19:44] <joern_> belkinsa: where did you get that link from? :D
[19:44] <belkinsa> This one? https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdAexc11cnL-K9M5hv4-NuvJixppCPs0lztE6XVus1cjW2dFA?authuser=0&hl=en
[19:44] <belkinsa> From wxl
[19:44] <joern_> yes that one
[19:44] <wxl> ooh it's phillw
[19:44] <belkinsa> It's the hangout link to be in it
[19:44] <joern_> good to know
[19:45] <belkinsa> Firefox, why you crash?
[19:45] <phillw> not shaved... dropped camaera :)
[19:45] <joern_> come on phillw
[19:50] <wxl> joern_: 5 minutes left if you want to talk!
[19:50] <belkinsa> Who is the other guy, not ianorlin but the other one
[19:50] <belkinsa> joern_, is that you in the hangout?
[19:50] <wxl> belkinsa: joern with the headphones
[19:50] <joern_> yes that's me
[19:50] <belkinsa> AH, I see.
[19:51] <belkinsa> It's finally good to see you joern_ in person
[19:51] <joern_> if there is time, I would like to ask about btrfs support for Lubuntu
[19:51] <wxl> 1s
[19:51] <joern_> my fancy gaming headphone :P
[19:51] <wxl> joern_: ↑
[19:51] <wxl> when julien is done talking please introduce yourself
[19:52] <joern_> sounds fine
[19:52] <belkinsa> 16.04 should the LTS but 15.04 or 15.10 can be the switch but more for testing it
[19:52] <belkinsa> 16.04 LTS with the new thing, I mean
[19:52] <wxl> that's what gilir is discussing
[19:52] <belkinsa> AH, I see.
[19:53] <wxl> well 2 min left
[19:53] <wxl> joern_: go
[19:54]  * wxl pets his beard
[19:55] <belkinsa> Thanks for the this session guys
[19:55] <wxl> thanks for coming belkinsa
[19:56] <joern_>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu…/+source/ubiquity/+bug/204187
[19:56] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 204187 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "No compressed file system option in ubiquity." [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[19:57] <wxl> bug 204187
[20:00] <wxl> all good buddy
[20:03] <gilir> thanks wxl :-)
[20:03] <wxl> thanks gilir !
[20:03] <phillw> good session!
[20:04] <phillw> wxl: always good to bag the last one of the day... you don't get kicked off :D
[20:04] <wxl> except for the technical mishaps
[20:04] <wxl> shall we continue this conversation at the usual meeting place?
[20:04] <phillw> can do :)7
[20:04] <wxl> ta all


[15:15] <tcoupload> Hi
[15:15] <tcoupload> is someone there?
[15:34] <tcoupload> hi
[15:34] <tcoupload> is someone alive?
[15:34] <lynorian> yes tcoupload but do you have a question?
[15:34] <tcoupload> yes
[15:35] <tcoupload> i has lubuntu and i bought an printer HP 2130
[15:36] <tcoupload> in HP page said lubunt drivers were not the latest so i download them from HP
[15:37] <tcoupload> i run the setup and all seems ok... but when i print the test page the printer starts but froze at the middle
[15:37] <tcoupload> any sugestion?
[15:45] <lynorian> tcoupload, I am not really sure I don't have the hardware
[15:45] <lynorian> how are you trying to connect the hp printer
[15:46] <tcoupload> no.. it already connect and hplib-3.16.5 (hp drivers) installed
[15:47] <tcoupload> i thought it was a error with Hp prints so i tested with an epson DX5000 and the same happens
[16:21] <tcoupload>  i bought an printer HP 2130, in HP page said lubunt drivers were not the latest so i download them from HP, i run the setup and all seems ok... but when i print the test page the printer starts but froze at the middle...


[00:56] <h00k> I keep getting these dang kernel errors regarding my wifi on The Mavericks.
[01:01] <h00k> As I've reported here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/605207
[01:01] <h00k> er, remove .edge if necessary
[02:01] <Nwallins> head_victim: hey, back
[02:01] <Nwallins> long term, I think i will just install lucid
[02:02] <Nwallins> but i'm happy to report on any broken stuff, attempt workarounds, etc. in the meantime
[02:05] <Nwallins> my current hurdle is: minimal iso, can't install from mirror, no kernel modules found
[02:30] <Nwallins> FYI, I was able to install a minimal system using alternate install
[02:30] <Nwallins> just had to select a mode using f4, i think, at the very beginning
[02:30] <Nwallins> cmd line install
[02:35] <Nwallins> FYI, with both the full install that comes by default with alternate install cd, and the cmd line install, i get an init warning:
[02:35] <Nwallins> ureadahead main process (271) terminated with status 5
[02:37] <Nwallins> ah, seems to be an issue when having a /var partition
[02:37] <Nwallins> which indeed, i do have
[04:53] <heyboy> How do I find date of creation of file?
[04:54] <Nwallins> heyboy: ls
[04:55] <heyboy> simply ls does not do the job
[04:55] <Nwallins> is this question specific to meerkat?
[04:56] <heyboy> No I just wanted to know when a file was created (not modified)
[04:57] <heyboy> My question is general. I am having ext4 on my system
[05:34] <heyboy> Hello, how do I analyze UFW log entries
[05:34] <heyboy> any documentation available?
[05:37] <heyboy> there are [UFW Block] entries in the logs. what do they mean?
[10:22] <napsy> Hello. I can't compile catalyst drivers on ubuntu latest. Is this a known issue?
[10:59] <robin0800> new kernel today is crashing plymouth and won't boot
[15:44] <edgy> Hi, everytime I restart my pc ssh is running. I checked sysv-rc-conf and all runlevels are unchecked, why is this?
[15:55] <DanaG> Say, how do I add indicator-datetime to my gnome-panel?  It doesn't seem to show up in the list of applets.
[15:55] <DanaG> Also, my Firefox-4.0 has zero search engines.
[15:56] <vish> !test
[15:56] <edgy> DanaG: how did you install firefox 4.0?
[15:57] <DanaG> ubuntu-mozilla-daily, I think.
[15:57] <knittl> grml, why is ubuntu-one still running?
[15:57] <DanaG> This also happens on Lucid, as well.
[15:59] <knittl> could also be a buggy nautilus
[15:59] <knittl> uses one core for ~1 min when opening a folder
[16:00] <knittl> evince crashes for me. known bug?
[16:00] <DanaG> I once made the mistake of telling ubuntuone to also sync my dropbox dir... and then ended up with tons and tons of u1conflict files, and 100% of one core used for a long long long time.
[16:01] <DanaG> It's also silly that Mozilla people say they won't make tabs-on-top be default "until the theme works with it" -- well, the theme already DOES work with it!
[16:02] <LucidFox> DanaG> Do you have the indicator-datetime package installed?
[16:02] <DanaG> ah, I thought I did, but it looks like I don't.  Silly me.
[16:03] <LucidFox> you might also want to install indicator-applet-complete, which combines all indicators in one continuous panel applet
[16:04] <DanaG> I do already have that, because that's the only one that doesn't nuke my logout and shutdown menu items.
[16:04] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/TnUsrFgJ
[16:04] <DanaG> Can't install datetime.
[16:05] <DanaG> Oh, and the Maverick kernel thinks my 3-button touchpad is a ClickPad... so I can't middle-click!
[16:05] <DanaG> It treats the middle button as a left button, in the kernel.
[16:06] <DanaG> I went to file a bug, but Launchpad errored out and lost all the text and info I entered, so I said "screw it" and went back to Lucid.
[16:07] <Pici> Is Maverick scheduled to use python2.7, or are we sticking with 2.6?
[16:13] <DanaG> ARGH!
[16:13] <DanaG> This stupid broken middle button is a real show-stopper for me.
[16:16] <knittl> a lot of my icons are broken … :(
[16:16] <DanaG> My desktop icons all just had their text-previews escape onto my desktop directly, for a while.
[16:16] <DanaG> During updates, that is.
[16:17] <knittl> i mean toolbar icons
[16:37] <LucidFox> DanaG> Sounds like a severely broken system to me
[16:37] <LucidFox> given all the unmet dependencies
[16:38] <LucidFox> Do you have many PPAs enabled?
[17:19] <kklimonda> is maverick compiled for i586 or still i386?
[17:20] <DanaG> ARGH! Every time I update Maverick on sdb, it tramples on the Lucid grub on sda!
[17:57] <napsy> Hello. I can't compile catalyst drivers due to kernel version mismatch. Is there a fix for this?
[17:58] <kklimonda> have you ckecked launchpad for bug reports?
[18:00] <napsy> yes
[18:07] <napsy> nothing in launchpad for my problem
[18:08] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, did you find/get and answer to your i386 question?  i'm just curious.  i assume everything is compiled i686 (but am just guessing).
[18:09] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, "everything" that is labelled i386 ;)
[18:12] <kklimonda> ZykoticK9: yeah, it's compiled for i686 now from what I can say
[18:13] <ZykoticK9> kklimonda, thanks.
[19:23] <edgy> $ sudo sysv-rc-conf --list ssh
[19:23] <edgy> ssh          2:off      3:off   4:off   5:off
[19:23] <edgy> but still every restart ssh is started!!!
[19:26] <yofel> edgy: ssh has a upstart init script now, sysv-rc-conf does nothing there
[19:26] <edgy> sysv-rc-conf --list mysql
[19:26] <edgy> mysql 2:on 3:on 4:on 5:on
[19:26] <edgy> contrarily, every restart it's off
[19:27] <yofel> same for mysql
[19:27] <edgy> yofel: how can I deal with it please?
[19:27] <yofel> see /etc/init/<service>.conf
[19:28] <edgy> yofel: the ssh.conf file contains
[19:28] <edgy> start on filesystem
[19:28] <edgy> stop on runlevel [!2345]
[19:28] <yofel> edgy: either edit the 'start on' statement in the file / comment it out. Renaming the file to .conf.diabled should work too I think
[19:29] <edgy> yofel: what does start on filesystem means please?
[19:29] <yofel> mysql should start by default though if it's installed, I remember someone mentioning that it crashes on start
[19:29] <yofel> edgy: "Start once all filesystems are mounted"
[19:29] <yofel> !upstart
[19:31] <edgy> yofel: thanks for the hints but the mysql file shows
[19:31] <edgy> start on (net-device-up
[19:31] <edgy>           and local-filesystems
[19:31] <edgy>           and runlevel[2345])
[19:31] <edgy> and still it's not started every reboot
[19:31] <yofel> check the logs, I remember someone saying a few days ago that mysql tries to start but fails
[19:32] <yofel> works fine when started with 'sudo service mysql start' after boot
[19:37] <sinurge> does the 64bit ubuntu 10.04 have ia32 bit libs pre installed
[19:38] <yofel> not sure, but I don't think so
[19:38] <yofel> ideally you shouldn't need them at all
[19:39] <SwedeMike> I'd imagine they're only installed when needed.
[19:39] <sinurge> cuz my isp login binary is 32 bit when i tried that on lucid alpha versions it really didnt allow me to do anything
[19:39] <sinurge> finally got the 32 bit version
[19:39] <edgy> yofel: thanks for hint, I can't find the problem of mysql in the log but let me rename the ssh and reboot and check, I will be back
[19:42] <sinurge> i had posted that on ubuntuforums but got no reply http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1412624 but have downloaded the 10.04 maverick alpha so want to know
[19:46] <yofel> odd, if anything it should give an error about a wron ELF class, and not 'no such file or directory' o.O
[19:47] <sinurge> since they wont give me a source i really cannot compile it as well
[19:48] <charlie-tca> Since adobe did away with 64bit flash, you need 32bit libs for it
[19:48] <sinurge> Charlie-tca: i wont bother with flash
[19:48] <duffydack> its still available, just not on their page
[19:50] <sinurge> well its time to sleep tomorrow i install maverick
[23:05] <BUGabundo> stupid quick question of the day
[23:05] <BUGabundo> how to dump a nokia 5130 internal contact list to PC using Ubuntu ?
[23:06]  * charlie-tca doesn't believe BUGabundo would ask a stupid question... ;-)
[23:06]  * BUGabundo hugs charlie-tca
[23:06] <BUGabundo> missed you buddy
[23:06] <charlie-tca> been hiding good, huh?
[23:06] <BUGabundo> I've been SOOO much away from this place latelly
[23:10] <BUGabundo> WARNING:softwarecenter.db.update:error processing: /usr/share/app-install/desktop/evince.desktop 'catalogedtime'
[23:10] <BUGabundo> nice!!!!
[23:13] <charlie-tca> oh, very nice!
[23:15] <BUGabundo> you know what's REALLY nice?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> guake
[23:15] <BUGabundo> how can I have ONLY today found out about this ?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> !info guake
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Is it any good?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> its heanvly
[23:19] <BUGabundo> its chocolate on marchemelos
[23:19] <charlie-tca> hmmm, maybe I have to try it then
[23:32] <charlie-tca> that's kind of scarey
[23:39] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: what is ?
[23:40] <charlie-tca> transparent background and can't resize it. It is all the way across my screen
[23:40] <charlie-tca> oh, and it appears to work in Xubuntu, too
[23:43] <BUGabundo> you can define what % it uses
[23:43] <BUGabundo> defualt to 50%
[23:43] <BUGabundo> F11 makes it full screen
[23:44] <charlie-tca> I would like to see it about 100 columns, though
[23:46] <charlie-tca> I think I might like it. I guess I will keep it for a while
[23:47] <BUGabundo> file a bug :P
[23:54] <charlie-tca> Got to try it for a few days before I do that. It might be really good this way.


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[01:32] <darin> ahoneybun: regarding wifi and 16.10 with staging-ppas.  I had one laptop that did not conect to wifi when brought out of sleep right after the staging update, but subsequent no issues with the next few sleep awakes.
[01:33] <darin> ahoneybun: I was able to recover the failed wifi with nmcli command....
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[01:49] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: wifi on 2nd laptop with 16.10 and staging ppa's is working fine even after sleep.  Wish I could same the same for the NVidia 370.28 driver  and it seem to fall off the bus about every other sleep attempt.
 I don't have staging on though
[01:54] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: my other laptop has occasionly had reconnection issues after sleep for it's entire life so I doubt the connection issue after sleep had anything to do with 16.10 or the staging PPA's
[01:55] <ahoneybun> a few reboots seemed to fix it
[01:55] <ahoneybun> works fine on ethernet though
[02:02] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun:  did you try:  nmcli -p con up "<your network name>" ifname <your wireless card name>
[02:02] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: i.e. nmcli -p con up "Millers_5G" ifname wlp1s0
[02:03] <DarinMiller> ahoneybun: works for me everytime-no reboot needed.
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[08:31] <lordievader> Good morning
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[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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 Afternoon :)
 /me yawns
 I woke up at 6:30 AM on a SATURDAY?!?
 @tsimonq2, I was wondering why on earth you are about yet!
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[15:56] <acheronuk> santa_: ping
[16:15] <santa_> acheronuk: pong. brb in ~20 mins and we will fix something in plasma 5.7.5 ok?
[16:16] <acheronuk> santa_: actually, call it 40 mins as just decided I better eat 1st. ok?
[16:16] <santa_> ok, no problem
[16:51] <acheronuk> santa_: ok. whenever you are ready
[16:52] <santa_> acheronuk: ok, let me explain
[16:53] <santa_> the official ppas have a couple of important limitations
[16:53] <acheronuk> you are not kidding!
[16:54] <santa_> nope, 1. they don't put packages on hold properly when you need to get one package to build another because of versioned build depends
[16:55] <santa_> 2. when build depends aren't properly bumped the builds may or may not fail to build
[16:55] <santa_> I want to focus on 2.
[16:56] <santa_> as you know I have a "ppa simulation" in one of my computers
[16:56] <santa_> this "ppa simulation" (which is actually a wannabuild/buildd setup doesn't have that limitations)
[16:57] <santa_> for this setup I have a fork of the status page
[16:57] <santa_> so I have something similar to the official ppas
[16:58] <santa_> and I made a test rebuild of plasma, status page: http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_plasma.html
[16:59] <acheronuk> yes
[16:59] <santa_> so lets see what happened with plasma-integration
[16:59] <acheronuk> breeze
[17:01] <acheronuk> wanted dep on that of 5.7.5, but only 5.7.2 available at build time
[17:01] <santa_> correct
[17:02] <santa_> it build depends right now on breeze-dev (>= 4:5.7.2~)
[17:02] <acheronuk> yep, I get why that is wrong
[17:02] <santa_> so the official ppas fail or not fail randomly on this
[17:02] <santa_> my unofficial stuff is right now configured so it would fail allways
[17:03] <santa_> because it would pull latest breeze-dev from yakkety archive
[17:04] <acheronuk> you mean fail even if the deps in the control, file are lower and satisfiable?
[17:04] <acheronuk> but not consistent with the version you are building
[17:04] <santa_> it would pull stuff from my "ppa" only if I set a higher version than the archive
[17:04] <acheronuk> ok
[17:05] <santa_> so if I change the thing to breeze-dev (>= 4:5.7.5~)
[17:05] <santa_> it would pull breeze-dev from the "ppa"
[17:06] <acheronuk> clearly, yes
[17:06] <santa_> so that's one of the reasons why I'm doing this stuff in my "ppa simulation", because I can do stuff that can't done in the official ppas
[17:06] <santa_> * can't be done in the official ppas
[17:07] <santa_> now, regarding the wrong build depends bumping there's another issue to consider
[17:08] <santa_> this is just an hypothetical example but supose we have a source package called libfoo being part of both plasma 5.7.2 and 5.7.5
[17:09] <santa_> lets supose we have a package libfoo1 produced by the source package libfoo version 5.7.2
[17:10] <santa_> lets supose that the libfoo version 5.7.5 produces libfoo2 because there was a soname bump
[17:10] <santa_> now lets suposed we have another package being part of plasma called "bar"
[17:11] <santa_> "bar" uses libfoo
[17:12] <acheronuk> https://media.giphy.com/media/3EUgWmcX2NOBa/giphy.gif
[17:13] <santa_> haha, now consider we have "libfoo-dev (>= 5.7.2)" in the bar source package 5.7.5 (i.e. we didn't bump the version of the build depends)
[17:14] <santa_> so if we build bar in an official ppa we could get it depending on libfoo1 or libfoo2 depending on the build order
[17:14] <santa_> and that's a problem
[17:14] <acheronuk> yes
[17:15] <santa_> so I would suggest to re-bump all the build depends of plasma 5.7.5 and apps 16.04.3
[17:15] <santa_> not just the ones failing to build in my ppa simulation
[17:15] <santa_> what do you think?
[17:16] <acheronuk> yes, as soon a you pointed out that it had been forgotten, I did realise most of that. knew most already, and thought damn!
 So we need to add what ppas to YY to test?
[17:17] <santa_> yeah, just wanted to make sure you were aware of the possible situations
[17:18] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: I would hold off for now if we are going to rebuild some
[17:18] <santa_> ahoneybun: we will fix the things in staging, but we didn't yet, we will keep you posted about the progress
 OK np
[17:20] <santa_> acheronuk: one last thing, there's a missing feature in the build depend bumping stuff
[17:20] <acheronuk> santa_: yeah, I know it in theory but until you get used to putting that into practice time after time, it's just a case of forgetting to apply it when you are concentration on other parts of it.
[17:20] <santa_> don't worry it's very easy to fix
[17:21] <acheronuk> yes, I had a play with the bump script
[17:22] <santa_> ok, I have pushed the feature no
[17:22] <santa_> * now
[17:22] <acheronuk> before we get going I just want to ask....
[17:22] <santa_> it's the -u/--update-mode for dev-package-names-list
[17:23] <acheronuk> in frameworks, did you deliberately not push your latest kio changes to git for some reason?
[17:24] <acheronuk> I notice you uploaded a fixed package, but not the changes to git
[17:24] <santa_> oh, sorry let me check...
[17:25] <acheronuk> thought I'd better ask now before it slips my mind
[17:26] <santa_> pushed now, thanks for noticing
[17:26] <acheronuk> np
[17:27] <santa_> ok, so about the plasma build depends fixing
[17:27] <acheronuk> yes
[17:27] <santa_> the build depends map was generated with "dev-package-name-list -d yakkety -r plasma -m qt frameworks"
[17:28] <santa_> however if you run that command again, it would put frameworks 5.26 in the map and we don't actually want that
[17:28] <acheronuk> no, I was going to say, as at the moment we don't know if 5.26 will even get a FFe
[17:29] <santa_> if you run "dev.package-name-list -d yakkety -r plasma" it would re-create the map, so it would remove the qt and fw build dependencies we put there previously
[17:29] <santa_> so that's what the "-u" option is for
[17:30] <acheronuk> so leave the version already there
[17:30] <acheronuk> for ones you don't specify I mean
[17:33] <santa_> yes, just pushed a small fix for KA right now
[17:33] <santa_> "dev-package-name-list -d yakkety -r plasma -u" will do the right thing
[17:34] <santa_> (for this particular case)
[17:34] <acheronuk> "Update mode. With this mode you will update only the binary packages specified with '-r' and '-m' keeping any extra old packages"
[17:35] <acheronuk> indeed
[17:36] <santa_> acheronuk: so that being said feel free to fix the thing
[17:36] <santa_> we could re-upload plasma 5.7.5 and stage it for xenial as well
[17:36] <acheronuk> we could
[17:37] <santa_> so how do you want to proceeed, you fix plasma and I fix apps?
[17:38] <acheronuk> I would rather both go through plasma if you can spare the time.
[17:39] <santa_> sure, lets go to the shared terminal then?
[17:39] <acheronuk> yep. I think it relatively trivial, but since you are here. reassurance thing
[17:40] <santa_> np
[18:01] <fenris-> mamarley: r u here?
[18:02] <mamarley> pong
[18:02] <fenris-> fenris@x240:~⟫ quasselclient -d Enabling compression... Using the DataStream protocol... Starting encryption... "no registered receiver for sync call: IrcChannel::joinIrcUsers (objectName=\"2/#kl\"). Params are:" (QVariant(QStringList, ("seeking4prettywife")), QVariant(QStringList, ("")))
[18:03] <fenris-> the client freeze
[18:03] <mamarley> How long has this been going on?  Which core and client versions are you using?
[18:04] <fenris-> after i recent update yakkety
[18:05] <fenris-> previously i used 0.12.4-2ubuntu2
[18:05] <fenris-> now im trying the git version
[18:05] <fenris-> 0.13.x
[18:06] <fenris-> and im in unity now ..
[18:06] <mamarley> What about the core?  Which version is that running?  Has it been updated recently?
[18:07] <fenris-> core running 0.12.2-0ubuntu1
[18:08] <fenris-> u suggest i upgrade the core as well ?
[18:08] <mamarley> Have you been able to connect successfully with any clients since you started having the problem?
[18:09] <fenris-> not
[18:09] <fenris-> nope*
[18:09] <fenris-> a few days back the client works
[18:10] <mamarley> Have you tried connecting with any other clients (like on different computers or something)?
[18:11] <fenris-> my quasseldroid working fine
[18:12] <fenris-> from my mobile phone
[18:12] <ejat> Hi mamarley
[18:12] <ejat> It me
[18:13] <ejat> It's working fine here
[18:13] <mamarley> OK, that means the core is working properly.  You said the client quit after an update.  What was updated?
[18:13] <ahoneybun> can you move this to #kubuntu?
[18:14] <ejat> Okie ahoneybun
[18:14] <mamarley> How about #quassel?  I'm not in #kubuntu.
[18:14] <ahoneybun> (I know I was talking about issues with kickoff yesterday, so I'm bad at it)
[18:15] <fenris-> okie
[18:37] <santa_> acheronuk: hmm, wait
[18:37] <santa_> we didn't commited the changes, did we?
[18:37] <acheronuk> kill it?
[18:37] <acheronuk> no
[18:37] <santa_> yeah
[18:37] <santa_> lets commit it and repeat
[18:38] <santa_> just a do-all git commit -am 'whatever' will do the thing
[19:10] <acheronuk> santa_: done
 @tsimonq2 so where is the meeting going to happen?
[19:50] <santa_> +1
 @ovidiuflorin In our Big Blue BUtton room :)
 *Button
 which room?
[19:51] <tsimonq2> http://kubuntu.blindsidenetworks.net/kubuntu/
[19:51] <tsimonq2> password is welcome
[19:51] <tsimonq2> room 1
 thank you
 Mm darn flash
 😜
 you stay out
 Fine!
 they are talking about britney spears
[20:37] <acheronuk> you don't want to hear about britney!
[21:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kwin build #231: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kwin/231/
[21:45] <acheronuk> I forgot how awful I am with those sorts of meetings. :P
[21:46] <tsimonq2> me too lol :P
[21:46] <tsimonq2> but hey, I only said "um" 20 times :P
[21:46] <acheronuk> my mind just goes blank!
[21:49] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: what is the current status of the slideshow?
[21:49] <tsimonq2> we discussed you at the meeting :P
[21:49] <santa_> acheronuk: oh, I have just remember something important about apps
[21:50] <santa_> some packages were synced with debian so we probably should merge in git and bump the changelog version
[21:50]  * acheronuk also remembers why he didn't sort out a microphone for ages. I hate talking on those things
[21:51] <acheronuk> santa_: I vaguely recall some being done, yes you are surely correct.
[21:53] <santa_> acheronuk: ok, so we could try to get that done after we get the build depends versioning fixed
[21:54] <santa_> I will be afk soon, good night everyone
[21:55] <acheronuk> yes, on all that. Good night santa
 And I'm getting dinner
 o/ santa_
[22:06] <acheronuk> no subs
[22:12] <acheronuk> notes https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninja-meeting-september-17-2016
[22:13] <acheronuk> which should say with an asterisk at the bottom * Rik sat there for most of it not sure what to say
 Getting there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RikMills
[22:19] <acheronuk> Going to try to get that done next few days, so comments welcome
[22:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project yakkety_unstable_kwin build #115: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/yakkety_unstable_kwin/115/
 Broken
 The slideshow that is