[10:43] <geneo93> Firetech:  i'm using qt based chat client on kde with no problems
[10:43] <jtan325> aftertaf, did you try conky out?
[10:43] <Madpilot> Belutz: "Beernix"?
[10:43] <Belutz> omp342: why do you hate nvidia?
[10:43] <Firetech> geneo93: that's because KDE is Qt based.
[10:43] <omp342> Belutz: i'm loyal to ATI :P
[10:43] <Belutz> Madpilot: Beernix? there is?
[10:43] <omp342> Belutz: just like i hate intel
[10:44] <Belutz> omp342: ic :D
[10:44] <pef> hello
[10:44] <geneo93> Firetech:  actually its a file sharing app and chat client
[10:44] <Madpilot> Belutz: don't think so, was just wondering what a beer-mug-logo'd distro might be called! ;)
[10:44] <Belutz> omp342: what's the reason?
[10:44] <geneo93> using mucsled server
[10:44] <Belutz> Madpilot: ic ... hahaha... the "Beernix" sounds cool enough :D
[10:45] <Firetech> geneo93: KDE is Qt based, so is Opera, that's why I thought it was strange that Opera complained about KDE running.
[10:45] <Belutz> or Beertu which is a custom distro of ubuntu.... lol
[10:45] <omp342> HOLY.....!!
[10:45] <omp342> http://beernix.berlios.de/
[10:45] <omp342> it's an actual distro
[10:45] <omp342> and tux holds a beer mug
[10:45] <Belutz> wew
[10:46] <omp342> it's a modified knoppix :)
[10:46] <geneo93> Firetech:  i have never used opera and really dont care to try
[10:46] <Belutz> Why name it BEERnix?
[10:46] <Belutz> Because I like Beer. In fact, i can promise almost all work done on BEERnix was done with a beer in hand. Plus a long time ago when I first saw linux (debian in this case) the kernel boot image had the penguin with a beer in hand, i loved it. Plus, as the logo says, "You don't buy beer, you rent it" BEERnix is free (you don't buy it) and it runs off a cd (your computer rents it) ...yeah..so..its BEERnix :)
[10:46] <omp342> runs off a cd
[10:46] <Belutz> sorry for pasting :D
[10:46] <Madpilot> omp342: cool...
[10:47] <geneo93> i do know that qt 3.3.5 has a few problems with some stuff i use
[10:48] <Madpilot> Firetech: never had anything like that w/ Opera under Ubuntu & Gnome... odd
[10:48] <omp342> lol
[10:48] <omp342> i harness the power of google :P
[10:48] <Firetech> Madpilot: it's running, just saying that KDE might steal it's shortcuts like ctrl+F8
[10:48] <geneo93> Madpilot:  he said kde
[10:48] <omp342> that's how i found that site
[10:50] <Madpilot> geneo93: I know - but gnome has it's own keyboard shortcuts too, and I've never had Opera complain...
[10:50] <_BIJ_> hi@all
[10:50] <Xanthus7> how do you search for a program in apt-get
[10:50] <godzzo> Hi!
[10:50] <omp342> i'll brb
[10:50] <godzzo> I trty to play with quake2, but it hasn't got sound :( I can play with Quake3+sound (i have to kill esd)... My user is member the audio group, and I can echo to /dev/dsp. Can anybody help me?
[10:50] <Belutz> speaking of that... anyone has use aptitude using gnome-terminal? how do i access the F10 for menu? if i push the F10 button it always open the File menu
[10:50] <aftertaf> godzzo:  i heard esp is not good...use arts instead
[10:50] <holycow> http://bash.org/?525439  <-- open office makes it onto bash
[10:50] <holycow> *sniff*
[10:50] <holycow> a right of passage
[10:50] <holycow> >_>
[10:51] <geneo93> Madpilot:  we had the same with ff on beos a while back
[10:51] <godzzo> aftertaf: ok I willt try, thnx
[10:51] <omp342> i HATE charter's cable internet
[10:51] <omp342> it's horrible!
[10:51] <godzzo> But I think it have to work with ALSA or OSS.
[10:51] <Xanthus7> Adelphia is worest
[10:51] <jo_e> i have problems with sound.  i am using esd and cannot get any other systems to work in the "multimedia system selection" dialogue.  the "testing" in said dialogue works, as do the system sounds (like the "*bink*" when selecting a menu item), but when i try to play an mp3 in xmms or anything with sound in mplayer, they both hang.
[10:51] <jdub> Xanthus7: apt-cache search <terms>
[10:51] <Belutz> artsd is using alsa if i'm not mistaken
[10:52] <Belutz> !tell jo_e about sound
[10:52] <aftertaf> jtan325:  i cant figure out how to use it
[10:52] <Cdump> anybody can help ??
[10:53] <godzzo> jo_e: xmms can use esd, you should set in preference
[10:53] <holycow> aftertaf, relative to what?
[10:53] <jtan325> aftertaf, what's wrong?
[10:53] <_BIJ_> geneo93, i'm back *g*
[10:53] <jtan325> does it not appear on your root window?
[10:53] <holycow> one could easily manage to make you a zen master with that statement afterall :)
[10:53] <Madpilot> Firetech: does Opera loose some shortcuts? Ctrl+F8 is "refocus to address bar" - does it work? (Ctrl+B for Keyboard Shortcuts help, btw)
[10:53] <aftertaf> jtan325:  running it in Eterm
[10:53] <geneo93> jo_e:  you need gstreamer08-mad
[10:53] <Cdump> trying to install opera .. and got an error  .. dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy)
[10:54] <jtan325> aftertaf, ok
[10:54] <aftertaf> holycow:  hehe :)
[10:54] <jtan325> does it print an error message?
[10:54] <aftertaf> nope
[10:54] <jtan325> does it display anything?
[10:54] <aftertaf> nope
[10:54] <jtan325> hmmm
[10:54] <geneo93> blj how did it go
[10:54] <jtan325> aftertaf, so it just seems to hang or something?
[10:54] <Firetech> Madpilot: seems to work... Just paranoia, or something like that ;)
[10:54] <Madpilot> Cdump: bad download?
[10:55] <aftertaf> drawing to single buffer/root window and terminal waits
[10:55] <Cdump> Madpilot : Is it ? dunno ..
[10:55] <Madpilot> Firetech: does Opera complain every time you start it, then?
[10:55] <godzzo> jo_e: "mplayer -ao sdl: " can use esd
[10:55] <aftertaf> Madpilot:  opera = lazyware?
[10:56] <Madpilot> Cdump: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser <-- help for Opera on Ubuntu
[10:56] <aftertaf> complains, as in.. Oh, what now???? i'm sat counting processor cycles, leave me alone!
[10:56] <jtan325> aftertaf, there's absolutely nothing underneath all your windows?
[10:56] <jtan325> what window manger are you using?
[10:56] <aftertaf> kubuntu....
[10:56] <aftertaf> hence, no idea.
[10:56] <geneo93> well it 3 minutes to 5 here bed time cyas
[10:56] <aftertaf> lol... 11am
[10:57] <geneo93> 5am
[10:57] <jtan325> hmmm aftertaf i have to go now, but i'd like to help. hopefully i'll talk to you tomorrow
[10:57] <aftertaf> jtan325:  then i ran it with &, and the process is still there...
[10:57] <aftertaf> ok...
[10:57] <jtan325> aftertaf, there are people in #conky that will try to help too
[10:58] <jtan325> (other devs and stuff)
[10:58] <aftertaf> ok:)
[10:58] <Madpilot> yeah, nearly 0200 here - bed, sleep, etc... later, everyone
[10:58] <geneo93> i have to reconnect before i sleep
[10:58] <jo_e> aplay -l gives card 0: SI7012 [SiS SI7012] , device 0: Intel ICH [SiS SI7012]
[10:59] <Firetech> Madpilot: There was a checkbox in the message... ("Don't show this message again") So no, it doesn't
[10:59] <jo_e> mplayer -ao sdl: gives [AO SDL]  using  audio driver.
[10:59] <jo_e> [AO SDL]  Unable to open audio: No available audio device
[10:59] <jo_e> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[10:59] <jo_e> Audio: no sound
[11:01] <Chameleon22> ignore this
[11:06] <aftertaf> does anyone know if it is possible to connect to a pop server when you have to pass thru a http proxy?
[11:07] <omp342> boo
[11:07] <aftertaf> lucky xchat can irc thru a proxy!
[11:09] <omp342> who uses xchat :P
[11:09] <omp342> its xchat2 :)
[11:09] <_BIJ_> hi, how can i create a root account in order to be able to type into the console "su"
[11:09] <_BIJ_> and log in as root
[11:09] <_BIJ_> ???
[11:10] <Belutz> !root
[11:10] <ubotu> root is probably disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:10] <omp342> _BIJ_: can't you just do sudo?
[11:10] <aftertaf> omp342:  2.4.3
[11:10] <_BIJ_> i do not want to sudo... i'm used to the su command
[11:10] <aftertaf> ok.
[11:10] <Belutz> _BIJ_: use su -i
[11:10] <aftertaf> then check the link ubotu gave you
[11:11] <omp342> _BIJ_: oh well, i can't help you since i don't even use ubuntu
[11:11] <omp342> aftertaf: i have xchat 2.4.3 too :)
[11:11] <_BIJ_> oki np... thx
[11:12] <chibifs> _BIJ_ sudo to an xterm. It's the same.
[11:12] <omp342> aftertaf: actually i'm wrong, it's not xchat2, it's xchat-2 :)
[11:12] <wiechu> _BIJ_: u can become rot typing "sudo su" in console
[11:12] <wiechu> root i mean
[11:12] <_BIJ_> ah ok!
[11:12] <nalioth> aftertaf: why shouldnt it be possible?
[11:12] <_BIJ_> right it works! tHX!
[11:13] <nalioth> your system can rot by typing "sudo su" in console  (you had it right the first time)
[11:14] <_BIJ_> do you guys also know how to automount windows partitions?
[11:14] <Belutz> !windowsdrive
[11:14] <ubotu> Belutz: No idea
[11:14] <Belutz> !ntfs
[11:14] <ubotu> ntfs is probably the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP.  To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s, you can use this utility: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab . It handles HFS+, NTFS and FAT32 partitions.
[11:15] <holycow> http://bash.org/?150543  <- heh
[11:15] <Belutz> _BIJ_: go to what ubotu just told you :)
[11:15] <kemik> holycow:  heh, that was rather funny ,)
[11:16] <omp342> argh
[11:17] <_BIJ_> muchos gracias!
[11:17] <omp342> i HATEEEEEEEE charter
[11:17] <omp342> for the last 20 minutes
[11:17] <omp342> every few minutes
[11:17] <omp342> i lose connection for like anywhere from 5-100 seconds
[11:20] <aftertaf> nalioth:  you mean for mail thru proxy????
[11:20] <aftertaf> my question? well i can't do it, basically.....
[11:21] <Xof> hi.  We're having difficulty getting Ubuntu to work on a recently-bought dual G5.
[11:21] <Xof> Our latest attempt (using breezy colony 2, the live cd) got us a shell prompt, but X segfaulted and the ethernet card wasn't detected
[11:21] <aftertaf> my browser can connect via proxy, it has that option. my xchat-2.4.3 too.... but i've never found a mail client that lets you specify 'conect via proxy'
[11:22] <Belutz> aftertaf: i think thunderbird has that option
[11:22] <Xof> (and it complained several times about failing to modprobe a particular module: s??2)
[11:22] <deufo__> hi peeps, for some reason in screensaver when i unlock the screen a type in the password, the password field shows some weird rectangles
[11:22] <Xof> are we blazing unknown territory here, or is Ubuntu on G5s meant to "just work"?
[11:23] <Belutz> aftertaf: in thunderbird it's in edit-->preferences-->advanced-->connection
[11:23] <kemik> http://bash.org/?96164
[11:25] <nalioth> aftertaf: why not?
[11:25] <holycow> kemik, irc rocks :)
[11:26] <kemik> yah
[11:26] <aftertaf> Belutz:  nalioth erf!!!!!
[11:26] <omp342> bye guys
[11:26] <aftertaf> night...
[11:26] <aftertaf> or morning ;)
[11:26] <omp342> its 2:30am :)
[11:26] <aftertaf> soon midday here
[11:27] <omp342> oh
[11:27] <omp342> where are you?
[11:27] <omp342> i'm in los angeles, california
[11:28] <aftertaf> france, yooorope
[11:29] <cafuego> dinner time, you silly moos.
[11:30] <cafuego> syn-ack: U28sIG5vdyB5b3UncmUgbGlrZSB1bHRyYS1zZWN1cmU/
[11:30] <syn-ack> heheh, aftertaf you catch that one?
[11:31] <aftertaf> nope, ive set +CE :)
[11:32] <Belutz> aftertaf: you're in france? :D
[11:32] <syn-ack> wow, you totally missed taht/
[11:32] <aftertaf> nalioth:  Belutz :  I've set the proxy server... but still get failed to connect to pop server...
[11:33] <Belutz> aftertaf: does the proxy server allow the pop thingy ?
[11:33] <cafuego> pop proxy?
[11:33] <TommyH> How can I switch from one audio output device to another in Hoary? I've plugged in a USB headset, which is recognized, but I can't find a way of switching output from internal speakers to the headset. :-/
[11:33] <aftertaf> Belutz:  yep..... france,  nope... proxy
[11:33] <cafuego> that's crazy talk!
[11:33] <aftertaf> only http on port 8090
[11:33] <aftertaf> :/
[11:33] <nalioth> aftertaf: have a nap
[11:33] <nalioth> aftertaf: sleep on it
[11:33] <aftertaf> TommyH:  try using the mixer
[11:34] <Belutz> aftertaf: nice country... :) , maybe you should ask the IT staff? :D
[11:34] <aftertaf> hehe
[11:34] <aftertaf> i am the IT staff ;)
[11:34] <Belutz> aftertaf: ic... so you can't ask yourself hehehe :D
[11:34] <aftertaf> but we have a regional proxy for the europe zone
[11:34] <aftertaf> managed in holland :/
[11:34] <cafuego> aftertaf: really?
[11:34] <Belutz> is there an error message?
[11:34] <TommyH> aftertaf: where can I find that?
[11:35] <onlinebacon> hi
[11:35] <aftertaf> maybe force a ssh tunnel
[11:35] <aftertaf> sounds good, dontknow how :)
[11:35] <onlinebacon> how is everyone?
[11:35] <aftertaf> TommyH:  add the sound mixer applet to a panel ;)
[11:36] <TommyH> aftertaf: ah, right... thanks :o)
[11:36] <aftertaf> cafuego:  yup... AT&T central !!! grrrrrrrrr
[11:36] <onlinebacon> how could i upgrade 5.4 to say, 6 when it comes out?
[11:36] <aftertaf> !upgrade
[11:36] <ubotu> One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:36] <aftertaf> will be updated i imagine ;)
[11:36] <Belutz> upgrading is just like that??
[11:36] <aftertaf> ubotu's help line, i mean ;)
[11:36] <onlinebacon> cool, thanks
[11:37] <nalioth> aftertaf: ssh tunneling is great fun
[11:37] <aftertaf> nalioth:  :) :) :) :)
[11:37] <aftertaf> sounds like it ;)
[11:37] <nalioth> aftertaf: i do it all the time
[11:37] <aftertaf> ut i need a nux box running the same prog on the other side :/
[11:37] <aftertaf> and i am a relative n00b
[11:38] <nalioth> aftertaf: not really
[11:38] <nalioth> aftertaf: just a *nix box running a ssh server
[11:38] <aftertaf> ahaaaaaaaa.... revelation time ??
[11:38] <aftertaf> i'm all ears dude ;)
[11:38] <TommyH> aftertaf: hmmm... there's no mixer in the "Add to Panel" list :|
[11:39] <nalioth> aftertaf: your other box needs to have *nix, a ssh-server and an account you can log into
[11:39] <aftertaf> nalioth:  what's the procedure???
[11:39] <aftertaf> oki.
[11:39] <nalioth> aftertaf: then go ask uncle google "ssh tunneling"
[11:39] <Belutz> TommyH: the volume control applet?
[11:39] <aftertaf> TommyH:  Add To Panel > Applet > Sound mixer
[11:39] <aftertaf> maybe need an extra package apt-getting
[11:40] <nalioth_zZz> night
[11:40] <Belutz> night nalioth_zZz
[11:40] <aftertaf> cheers nalioth_zZz ;)
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> hi, could someone hep me, i cant ssh or vnc into my ubuntu box
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> even though i could do about 5 mins ago!
[11:41] <Belutz> herrpoon_united: maybe it's the firewall?
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> well i did forward some ports in my router
[11:41] <herrpoon_united> for it
[11:42] <herrpoon_united> but then chnaged them back
[11:42] <herrpoon_united> to excalty what they were when it worked
[11:42] <Belutz> herrpoon_united: hmmm no idea then, sorry :(
[11:42] <herrpoon_united> nps, thanks anway
[11:43] <aftertaf> have you reset your firewall correctly?
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> maybe not
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> i might try resetting the router
[11:44] <jo_e> do you need to reset your router every time you change port forwarding?
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> yes
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> as far as im aware
[11:44] <herrpoon_united> i didnt
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> reset after i made the changes back i suppose
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> but i dont think theyll make any difference anyway
[11:45] <jo_e> that could explain some of my problems, too...
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> yeh
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> must be i suppose
[11:45] <aftertaf> you guys on the same network?
[11:45] <aftertaf> :)
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> nope
[11:45] <herrpoon_united> hehe
[11:45] <aftertaf> :p
[11:45] <jo_e> no, I am on my own.
[11:45] <jo_e> shitnet
[11:45] <aftertaf> jo_e:  inevitably, we all are ;)
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> true
[11:46] <aftertaf> lol
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> whats this ubuntu-unregged?
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> lol
[11:46] <aftertaf> herrpoon_united:  for banter, jest and non HELP ME IM STUCK related stuff ;)
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> ahh right
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> i was getting unsoliicted
[11:46] <herrpoon_united> private msgs from that channel
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> from bots
[11:47] <aftertaf> bots & stuff!
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> yarggh
[11:47] <aftertaf> nope!!!!!!!!
[11:47] <aftertaf> me wrong totally
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> que?
[11:47] <Juhaz> herrpoon_united, the spambots are being redirected there so they wouldnt be here
[11:47] <aftertaf> unregged is an airlock for getting in here
[11:47] <aftertaf> a bottrap
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> ahh right
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> so if ur chatting in there
[11:47] <aftertaf> -offtopic is the banter thingy
[11:47] <TommyH> aftertaf: I can't see any applet submenu/choice in the Add to Panel window... I must be doing something wrong :-/
[11:47] <herrpoon_united> uve just got to put up with it?
[11:48] <aftertaf> Tomcat_:  what options do you have when you right click the kicker task panel thingy
[11:48] <Juhaz> why would anyone be chatting in a honeypot is beyond me, but you can set umode that prevents messages from non-identified users, or just ignore privmsgs
[11:48] <aftertaf> herrpoon_united:  its not destined for chat.. just a place to reg in order to get here
[11:48] <herrpoon_united> suppose so
[11:48] <aftertaf> er TommyH i meant ;)
[11:49] <aftertaf> TommyH:  i'm using KDE..... you gnome?
[11:49] <TommyH> yeah, Gnome
[11:49] <aftertaf> i'm the one doing wrong...
[11:49] <aftertaf> bad advice :/
[11:50] <TommyH> np ;-)
[11:51] <aftertaf> run this command in a console, and install one of the babies that looks good for you
[11:51] <aftertaf> apt-cache search mixer gnome
[11:51] <Belutz> TommyH: try using the volume control applet, after that double click the applet, and then file-->change device ?
[11:52] <aftertaf> i guess its the 'line' or 'phone' channel that needs unmuting
[11:52] <shinu> is there any other server similar to apache supporting php?
[11:52] <kent> shinu, why not use apache?
[11:52] <Tomcat_> shinu: Most servers support php...
[11:52] <shinu> kent: i dont know... maybe something lighter? just to try out :)
[11:53] <daeb> Hello
[11:53] <TommyH> Belutz:  yeah, that's what I was looking for, but it's not changing anything :|
[11:53] <shinu> Tomcat_: like?.. something less known and lighter if you know of any
[11:53] <Belutz> hmmm
[11:53] <kent> shinu, http://www.roxen.com/products/webserver/
[11:53] <TommyH> It seems to be just for changing the volume of devices, not switching output between them.
[11:54] <shinu> cool
[11:54] <shinu> kent: thanks a lot. ill have a look
[11:54] <Belutz> TommyH: try using "alsamixer" in terminal and turn on the phone ?
[11:55] <aftertaf> or apt-get install aumix-gtk
[11:55] <Belutz> TommyH: hmmm if it don't work either, i dont know what else to suggest, i'm still a noob also :D
[11:55] <aftertaf> TommyH:  dunno if it CAN do that, actually...
[11:56] <Belutz> hahaha
[11:57] <aftertaf> yeah :)   actually, time to eat..... brb guys ;)
[11:57] <Belutz> aftertaf: mind if you feed us too? :D
[11:59] <TommyH> gah, none of that works... guess I'll leave them plugged into my Mac and make do with these internal speakers... thanks for the help anyway guys :o)
[12:00] <Belutz> :)
[12:01] <candlelight> hi, if i install linux one hda, windows on raid0 (sda,sdb), how to configure bootloader to load windows?
[12:02] <daeb> candlelight Priority in bios
[12:02] <ilba7r> candlelight you can set that up during the installation
[12:02] <candlelight> daeb, i can switch the priority, doesn't matter
[12:03] <messju> recently after a reboot i get 00:00:00:00:00:00 as HWaddr on eth0. how can I fix that permanently?
[12:03] <candlelight> ilba7r, my raid0 is actually bios assisted, sil3112
[12:03] <frans-th> anyone have try install gigabit in ubuntu? sucfcess??
[12:03] <ilba7r> ok
[12:03] <messju> eth0 is sk98lin
[12:05] <xquizit> Hey guys. I am trying to install VMware5 on Breezy. but there is a problem with GCC it wasnt 3.4 which I have installed but it still does not work.
[12:05] <ompaul> Seveas, can you set that bot you had in #ubuntu-unregged again - there are some peeps in there who need clues how to get to here
[12:05] <wiechu> is there any multitab terminal in ubuntu which doesn't look like it was 10 yeahrs old?
[12:05] <candlelight> i'm trying to figure out if i set bios to boot from /hda, how to use the bootloader to boot into the raid array
[12:05] <ekimus> is there some init script guide for ubuntu available (which functions one should use by default - besides start/stop/restart etc.)
[12:06] <ekimus> wiechu: gnome-terminal?
[12:06] <ekimus> !init
[12:06] <ubotu> Wish i knew, ekimus
[12:06] <Seveas> wiechu, gnome-terminal
[12:06] <ekimus> !runlevels
[12:06] <ubotu> ekimus: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:06] <Seveas> ekimus, look at lsb documentation about initscripts
[12:06] <Seveas> or man init
[12:06] <wiechu> does gnome-terminal supports multiple tabs??
[12:07] <Seveas> wiechu, yes
[12:07] <ekimus> Seveas: just wanted to know about ubuntu specific stuff
[12:07] <wiechu> ok sorry! really stupied question1 :)
[12:07] <Seveas> there's no real ubuntu specific stuff, ubuntu adheres to LSB init where possible
[12:07] <joj> can somebody tell me where I can download KPPP for ubuntu?
[12:08] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install kppp
[12:08] <joj> Seveas: can KPPP work on GNOME ?
[12:08] <jtan325> Seveas, there was a major spamming problem earlier today
[12:08] <jtan325> nalioth was pulling his hair out over it
[12:09] <jtan325> i dunno, just letting you know
[12:09] <joj> Seveas: can KPPP work on GNOME ?
[12:09] <ekimus> joj: yes it does
[12:10] <joj> cool
[12:10] <joj> ekimus: can I install KPPP when I am offline with aptitude install kppp?
[12:11] <joj> can I install KPPP when I am offline with aptitude install kppp?
[12:11] <daeb> is there site for Ubuntu as RPMfind or smthg like this ?
[12:12] <Digis> daeb there is no need fot RPMfind, U can find everythin in synaptic
[12:12] <catfox> daeb, packages.ubuntu.com
[12:12] <joj> pls tell me: can I install KPPP when I am offline with aptitude install kppp?
[12:13] <catfox> joj, if you have all the needed packages, you should be able to. i think it's in kdenetwork
[12:13] <catfox> joj,  why not just use the default networking tool in ubuntu?
[12:13] <daeb> Digis : even 5250 telnets or some specifics apps ?
[12:13] <joj> catfox: wvdial?
[12:14] <messju> what may have ubuntu make my MAC-address change to 00:00:00:00:00:00 ?
[12:14] <ekimus> messju: from what command do you get that message?
[12:14] <messju> ekimus: ifconfig
[12:14] <daeb> messju it isn't IPv6 ? ha
[12:14] <catfox> joj, i think it uses wvdial in the backend yeah. i'm not on an ubuntu system right now, but it's in the system menu
[12:14] <Digis> daeb what U will find at packages.ubuntu.com, the same U will find in synaptic
[12:15] <frans-th> alo..
[12:15] <messju> eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:00:00:00:00:00\n inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>
[12:15] <messju> no, it isn't ipv6
[12:15] <frans-th> anyone can help me to know, how to setup gigabit ethernet in hoary
[12:15] <Belutz> hai frans-th :)
[12:15] <ekimus> messju: you can change the mac with ifconfig <device> eth <mac address> have a look at the init scripts if there's something strange
[12:15] <joj> catfox: when I try wvdial I can hear my modem but later it says: No dial tone.
[12:15] <catfox> joj, try it with the gui, not the command
[12:16] <ekimus> messju: or maybe some sniffing tool that set it to promicious mode _and_ changed the mac (for some reason)
[12:16] <joj> catfox: HOW TO DO THAT?
[12:16] <catfox> joj, i already told you. it's in the system menu
[12:16] <ompaul> when you find that the reason the last CD failed is because you did not do this -->> sudo cdrecord -pad -eject -speed=8 dev=/dev/hdd  ubuntu-5.04-install-i386.iso <<-- you don't know if you should laugh or cry!
[12:16] <ekimus> joj: no reason to yell :)
[12:16] <joj> ekimus: i'm exited
[12:17] <messju> i will check. thanks
[12:17] <joj> catfox: i think it's not
[12:17] <joj> in system menu
[12:17] <ekimus> joj: since you are still here. i think you are ex_c_ited ;)
[12:17] <ekimus> not exited
[12:17] <catfox> can someone on an ubuntu box tell joj where the networking tool is under the system menu
[12:17] <joj> ekimus: what?
[12:19] <frans-th> hi belutz
[12:19] <messju> ok. setting HWAddr with ifconfig works, if the interface is down
[12:19] <joj>  can someone on an ubuntu box tell me where the networking tool is under the system menu
[12:19] <joj> ??
[12:19] <Belutz> frans-th: how's the gforge?
[12:20] <jo_e> you mean gnome-nettool?
[12:20] <joj> jo_e - i mean something with wvdial GUI
[12:20] <frans-th> Belutz: sad, still cannot install
[12:23] <Belutz> frans-th: what's ristek want with gforge?
[12:23] <ritalin> hi
[12:23] <ritalin> when 2.12 is out will there be a update?
[12:23] <ritalin> maybe a beta test?
[12:25] <frans-th> Belutz: to endorese open source movement
[12:27] <Belutz> frans-th: ic
[12:27] <Belutz> frans-th: the problem is i still don't know how to setup the ldap
[12:28] <frans-th> Belutz: dont use ldap :)
[12:29] <Belutz> frans-th: but it's depedency right?
[12:29] <selinium> Hi all, I have my old dual boot drivewith both M$ and Ubuntu on it. I have a new smaller drive with my current config. What i wanted to do was format the old larger drive and just copy the new drive over to the old one. Is this possible?
[12:30] <frans-th> Belutz: optional
[12:30] <Belutz> frans-th: ic
[12:30] <Belutz> frans-th: maybe i'll try installing it from source
[12:31] <frans-th> Belutz: ask kikov for source installation
[12:31] <Belutz> frans-th: ok
[12:32] <Belutz> frans-th: why use gforge instead of sourceforge?
[12:33] <frans-th> belutz: because source forge team did a bad step, they close their project, and make it commercial, thanks to tim purdue,
[12:33] <Belutz> frans-th: ic
[12:34] <qt2> might someone enlighten me as to what a "bad file descriptor is?
[12:35] <mickfuz> hi there - i'm working in a cafe running ubuntu and we are having problems playing cd's with gnome-cd
[12:35] <mickfuz> there is a "drive error" when trying it as guest
[12:36] <podge> Has anyone here updated to Breezy using apt-get? Any problems?
[12:36] <podge> mickfuz, Did you add the guest user to the audio group?
[12:36] <bimberi> mickfuz: is guest a member of the "audio" group?
[12:37] <mickfuz> yes i did do that
[12:37] <selinium> mickfuz: in a terminal using the guest account. type groups.  is audio and cdrom
[12:37] <mickfuz> we can play in xmms ok
[12:37] <mickfuz> ok
[12:37] <podge> selinium: correct.. cdrom group as well.. :)
[12:37] <mickfuz> no
[12:37] <mickfuz> so that's a good start i'll do that
[12:38] <selinium> podge: cheers! I am glad i am getting the hang of all this!
[12:38] <selinium> lol
[12:38] <ookii> hey does anyone know if you can foward multiple ports in two lines in ip tables, or does every port fowarded require it's own two lines?
[12:38] <podge> selinium, Have you tried out Breezy yet?
[12:39] <mickfuz> ok now it is playing in cdrom - but no audio
[12:39] <selinium> podge: not yet. I am still learnign the ropes somewhat. If i had a separate machine i would.
[12:40] <podge> selinium, I tried the live CD.. works much better on my laptop..
[12:40] <podge> mickfuz, volume settings?
[12:40] <mickfuz> the volume mixer is up
[12:40] <mickfuz> and xmms works ok
[12:41] <selinium> podge: I am running an old athlon 900, i think breezy may be a bit slow :)
[12:41] <bimberi> mickfuz: double-click on the volume control applet and check the settings (including both mixers via file -> change device)
[12:41] <mickfuz> k
[12:42] <bimberi> selinium: how much ram?
[12:42] <[DF2] > hi all
[12:42] <podge> selinium, What are you running at the moment?
[12:42] <mickfuz> i have a LOT of mixers there!
[12:43] <[DF2] > just installed umbutu on my laptop and need some help setting up the adsl on it
[12:43] <mickfuz> i'm running xmms and when i alter the emicro mixer volume there it chages
[12:43] <[DF2] > can anyon ehlp me
[12:43] <bimberi> mickfuz: oh, ok, i have 2 :)
[12:43] <Seveas> !adsl
[12:43] <ubotu> I guess adsl is Setting up an ADSL PPPoE Connection? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ADSLPPPoE
[12:44] <[DF2] > yeah thx
[12:44] <mickfuz> i've got 4 mixers :{
[12:44] <[DF2] > i'll take a look
[12:44] <glyn> anyone know what packages it takes to get Mp3 support?
[12:44] <Seveas> !mp3
[12:44] <ubotu> mp3 is probably read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for information about mp3 support
[12:46] <podge> selinium, I mean.. What Linux distro are you running now?
[12:47] <Seveas> I hate people named wayne...
[12:47] <bimberi> :)
[12:47] <Seveas> especially if the spread backdoors
[12:48] <podge> bimberi, My cdplayer (the default Ubuntu one) requires esd to be running.. otherwise no play..
[12:48] <podge> Seveas, Wayne Kerr? :)
[12:48] <Seveas> yeah
[12:48] <bimberi> :)
[12:50] <[DF2] > ubunto.. doesnt seem to be working for me..
[12:50] <[DF2] > i have a usb adsl modem
[12:50] <[DF2] > found eth0
[12:52] <ilba7r> !apm
[12:52] <ubotu> ilba7r: I give up, what is it?
[12:52] <ilba7r> !info apm
[12:55] <selinium> podge: ubuntu hoary
[12:55] <Wilf> is it true that the beta versions of ubuntu had pr0n in it?
[12:55] <Ng> only if you definition of pr0n is excruciatingly narrow
[12:56] <Wilf> hmm.
[12:56] <Seveas> Wilf, that is not true.
[12:56] <Wilf> fair enough.
[12:56] <podge> selinium, It would run Breezy no worries..
[12:56] <Seveas> the original artwork for warty was not totally appropriate for eork environments rhough
[12:57] <bimberi> The warty CD cover and gnome boot screen were a bit contraversial
[12:57] <selinium> Hi Seveas.
[12:57] <Wilf> ah, i've been told stories of it
[12:57] <Seveas> Wilf, do you have Ubuntu installed?
[12:57] <Wilf> yep.
[12:57] <Wilf> hoary though
[12:57] <Seveas> install the packages ubuntu-calendar-october, ubuntu-calendar-november etc (up to march) and see for yourself
[12:58] <Wilf> um, i'll be right
[12:58] <Wilf> thanks anyway
[12:58] <Seveas> hi selinium
[12:58] <selinium> Hi all, i have annother drive i wish to copy my present install to. Is it possible? ie  cp -fra /mnt/old /mnt/new
[12:59] <selinium> Seveas: good cc meeting?
[12:59] <Seveas> if you do it from a live cd (ie: no /proc or /dev mounted in /mnt/old) that should be feasible
[12:59] <selinium> podge: cheers
[12:59] <Seveas> selinium, yeah
[12:59] <Seveas> there will be a few changes in #ubuntu
[01:00] <selinium> Seveas: Can you enlighten us at this stage?
[01:00] <podge> Seveas, Does cp handle "holey" files?
[01:00] <jo_e> is there no apt package for OSS?
[01:00] <Seveas> selinium, well, there will be more ops (nalioth, apokryphos, thoreauputic) and there will be an ubuntu group
[01:00] <ompaul> podge: what do you mean by holey files?
[01:01] <selinium> Cool
[01:01] <Seveas> cp should handle symlinks/sockets fine
[01:01] <Seveas> and other holy files (device nodes) should not be there
[01:01] <selinium> Seveas: Would it be better to do a dd if=/mnt/old of=/mnt/new  ?
[01:02] <podge> ompaul, Files that are largely empty like DB hash files etc..
[01:02] <Seveas> that's equally icky
[01:03] <ompaul> podge: it can
[01:03] <selinium> Seveas: how would you move your system onto a new hd without installing from scratch?
[01:04] <qt2> wine is a pain in the ass on ubuntu it seems
[01:05] <podge> ompaul, Cool..!
[01:05] <ompaul> qt2: the reason that wine exists is a pita :)
[01:05] <bimberi> s/ on ubuntu//
[01:05] <qt2> ompaul, pita?
[01:06] <ompaul> pain in the `arm`
[01:07] <selinium> ompaul: not so sure I want that pita bread with my kebab now!
[01:07] <ompaul> selinium: toasters for all :)
[01:07] <Belutz> selinium: you make me hungry :D
[01:08] <FrankyFourFinger> mmm pita
[01:08] <frans-th> hi all
[01:08] <frans-th> anyone have try sk98 gigabit ethernet
[01:08] <selinium> It is lunch time here. I still think the worst thing that happened to me as a programmer was being able to order pizza online. The end of the hunter-gatherer as we know it!  :D
[01:09] <frans-th> all: can help install marvel yukon gigabit ethernet
[01:10] <Belutz> selinium: can we just do "apt-get pizza" ? :p
[01:10] <selinium> Belutz: rofl
[01:10] <frans-th> pizza?
[01:10] <frans-th> what is that
[01:10] <ilba7r> anyone know how can i access the status of my cpu cooling fan?
[01:11] <ilba7r> other than listening to them :)
[01:11] <qt2> perhaps i shold compile wine from source instead of from synaptic?
[01:11] <selinium> frans-th: a bread based meal with tomatoes and cheese
[01:11] <persia> ilba7r: sudo aptitude install xsensors
[01:11] <ilba7r> ok thanx persia
[01:12] <ompaul> ohh I'm on a console atm and I never knew alt+direction arrow - moves you from one console to another :)
[01:12] <aftertaf> apt-get pizza --mushrooms --ham --noanchovies
[01:12] <frans-th> selinium: ho ho,, :) delicious
[01:13] <ompaul> end of F1 for me L(
[01:13] <ompaul> :)
[01:13] <podge> selinium, Is the disk you are moving to the same size as the current one?
[01:13] <aftertaf> ompaul:  nice one :)
[01:13] <ilba7r> persia i have to install lm sensors thought is there another way. I can get the temperature, and every other information through acpi but can not get my fan status
[01:13] <ompaul> aftertaf: it is :)
[01:13] <selinium> podge: nope. the 'new' disc is much larger
[01:13] <ompaul> and its so fast .....
[01:14] <ompaul> can someone check it on a box with gnome running :)
[01:14] <selinium> ompaul: never new that one!
[01:14] <[DF2] > i cant get adsl working
[01:14] <frans-th> anyone, have try marvel yukov gigabit
[01:14] <podge> selinium, I am trying to work out why dd isn't a good idea.. and I think it is because the filesystem won't fill the whole disk when you dd it..
[01:14] <aftertaf> [DF2] :  what modem ??
[01:15] <ompaul> selinium: I was playing with 'links' not used in it a while and I was trying to move around and next thing I was looking at this screen :)
[01:15] <[DF2] > d-link 200 rev b usb modem
[01:15] <podge> selinium, I know of something called growfs on Solaris.. but haven't used it in a while.. and don't know if Linux has the same thing..
[01:15] <aftertaf> ompaul:  with kde its fast
[01:15] <selinium> podge: cheers for the pointers
[01:16] <ompaul> aftertaf: can you get to kde and back to console?
[01:16] <persia> ilba7r: On the system I have that has trouble with acpi sensor readings, I use lm-sensors.  I don't know of another tool that does this.  xsensors will bring in all the dependencies, and the sensors-detect program in lm-sensors will help to configure sensord, which outputs everything to syslog.  When you want to check "right now", you can use the sensors program, which will print out all the results.
[01:16] <aftertaf> [DF2] :  check /var/log/messages to see if it is synchronising...
[01:16] <aftertaf> ompaul:  :/ nope
[01:16] <bimberi> ompaul: it works in the virtual consoles but X captures it and does different things (eg. it changes positions of the channel tabs in xchat)
[01:16] <aftertaf> bimberi:  exact !
[01:16] <ompaul> bimberi: ta
[01:17] <ompaul> ahh well it is good outside X :)
[01:17] <bimberi> yw :)
[01:17] <Valentin-> hi! when I changed something in my /etc/hosts what do I have to do to get the changes done?
[01:17] <qt2> i want really really cheezy mac and cheese.
[01:17] <bimberi> Valentin-: changes apply as soon as you save the file
[01:19] <Valentin-> bimberi, hum but when I send an email trough sendmail the domain is still localhost.localdomain
[01:19] <podge> selinium, http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/copy.html   ... an old FAQ which might help..
[01:19] <selinium> Seveas: sorry for bugging you, but would yuo even try to do a disc copy like i suggested?
[01:19] <selinium> podge: cheers, i will take a look!
[01:20] <derFlo> has anyone installed scim?
[01:20] <bimberi> Valentin-: sendmail i know nothing about.  Perhaps it reads the hosts file when it starts?
[01:20] <derFlo> scim-panel-gtk
[01:20] <Valentin-> bimberi: perhaps, good point, gonna restart it wait
[01:22] <Chameleon22> when i try to use smbclient to list available shares with following command: smbclient -L showof  i get access denied message which is fine but I also get "Anonymous login successful" although i am rather sure anonymous access is disabled completely... any ideas guys?
[01:23] <twibbler> could somebody help me with connecting a blue tooth device using a pass code ?.
[01:24] <derFlo> twibbler: you should try kdebluetooth
[01:24] <derFlo> look for "kdebluetooth ubuntu" in google
[01:24] <podge> Chameleon22, Howdy.. I saw your email to LUV... ??
[01:24] <persia> Chameleon22: My windows networking is a bit fuzzy, but I believe that all machines allow anonymous access to all resources, but then deny access to specific resources (which may be all of them).  You are probably logging into the directory service successfully, and then being advised that you cannot browse the share.
[01:24] <twibbler> thanks derFlo but not got kde installed ..
[01:25] <derFlo> this was the easiest way for me, even if kde is not installed
[01:25] <derFlo> it needs some libs, but also runs under gnome
[01:25] <Chameleon22> ye , i want to disable login all together unless user is authenticated
[01:25] <persia> twibbler: You could try gnome-bluetooth instead.  It works for accepting images downloaded from my phone at least...
[01:25] <benkong2> ping
[01:25] <twibbler> thank you ... looking into it
[01:25] <derFlo> there maybe are other ways to pair devices...
[01:26] <Seveas> selinium, no i would not even try, i would do a reinstall + some dpkg magic and copying config files
[01:26] <Chameleon22> podge, howdy
[01:26] <derFlo> kdebluetooth alsa has bemused installed letting you control e.g. xmms via cell phone over bluetooth.
[01:26] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers.
[01:26] <benkong2> I need the sk98lin driver for my breezy to work? Got the driver but I need the sources to compile since I have no internet connection on that machine can I install sources from breezy cd?
[01:27] <podge> Chameleon22, I searched Google for about 10 minutes trying to find an answer for you.. most of the hits I got were from around 2002 when Andrew Bartlett (Samba Developer) was discussing exactly the same thing.. I have no solution for you.. :(
[01:27] <podge> Chameleon22, I see you are also on #samba at the moment.. :)
[01:27] <Chameleon22> podge, bummer. i think persia might be right though
[01:27] <Chameleon22> podge, yup
[01:29] <nichead> hi! i'm using breezy and having the following problem with udev: it starts once from /etc/rcS.d/S04udev but doesn't create the needed device nodes (keyboard etc.) so it doesn't start x. when i then log in manually and do /etc/init.d/udev restart, the devices are there and x starts up. any idea?
[01:29] <nichead> should i start udev later?
[01:30] <benkong2> Can I install kernel sources and build environment from breezy cd?
[01:31] <Valentin-> how do I restart sendmail the best way?
[01:31] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, remove it
[01:31] <Chameleon22> lol
[01:31] <funkyHat> hahaha
[01:32] <Chameleon22> Valandil, use exim its way better and more friendlier
[01:32] <bimberi> Valentin-: sudo /etc/init.d/sendmail restart (most likely)
[01:32] <Chameleon22> but to answer your question
[01:32] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, /etc/init.d/sendmail restart
[01:33] <Valentin-> command not found
[01:33] <Valentin-> :)
[01:33] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, /etc/init.d/postfix restart
[01:33] <Valentin-> works :)
[01:34] <Valentin-> Chameleon22: where does sendmail get it's domainname and domain from? /etc/hosts/ ?
[01:35] <Chameleon22> Valentin-, i think its from its own conf files actually, not 100% sorry
[01:35] <Chameleon22> as i said, i use exim
[01:35] <Valentin-> okay I gonna check that
[01:36] <podge> Valentin-, It gets it from the /etc/hosts file..
[01:36] <podge> Valentin-, Or are you talking about the email domain?
[01:36] <podge> Valentin-, like @google.com etc?
[01:38] <podge> Chameleon22, sendmail can be complicated :)...
[01:38] <podge> Chameleon22, But the m4 files are not too bad..
[01:38] <podge> Goodbye people..
[01:41] <eddyp> is ivman necessary in order for utopia to work?
[01:42] <Chameleon22> ompaul, ye postfix is cool as well
[01:45] <DewDude> what is a multiseat system and do i need to configure one?
[01:45] <persia> Should it take longer to open openoffice than to boot, or do I need to configure something differently?
[01:45] <ompaul> Chameleon22: well I never had to do a 10k+ site with it - I did get to do a 9k+ site with ccmail several years ago strange mapping of external names through a text file to allow user@domain get mail
[01:46] <ompaul> long ago now :)
[01:46] <persia> DewDude: A multiseat system allows several people to use the same computer at the same time.  You only need to configure this if you plan to do that.
[01:46] <DewDude> hrmm
[01:46] <Chameleon22> ompaul, exim for me thank you
[01:46] <DewDude> cuz that's where setup's stopped
[01:46] <Chameleon22> havent tried it but qmail is apperantly good as well
[01:47] <DewDude> i hit configure and it just redscreens and says a step as failed
[01:47] <persia> DewDude: My apologies, I'm not very familiar with the configuration process.
[01:48] <aftertaf> !tell [DF2]  about cli
[01:49] <FlangeR> Hi all. Could someone pls walk me through setting up my usb-palm? I've followed directions of ubuntuguide, wiki and a usb howto, but nothing seems to work so far. Any help would be appreciated if someone has the knowledge.
[01:49] <aftertaf> i couldnt help you, it just plug n played on my kubuntu... :/
[01:51] <FlangeR> damn... would be a shame to turn my back on gnome just for the palm  ;)
[01:52] <DewDude> oh great
[01:52] <DewDude> this looks real promising
[01:52] <DewDude> multiseat ain't workin, now it says IDE drivers aren't available
[01:55] <ompaul> FlangeR: not having a palm you may consider this to be a totally batty idea, but why not get the kdepackage for palm and run it on your machine?
[01:57] <derFlo> ciao
[01:57] <kyle> hi ppl :) . does anybody know if ubuntu keeps some kind of backup in ~/.local ? - it's eating 3 gb right now for me!
[01:58] <Kyral> I don't have a ~/.local
[01:58] <DewDude> heh
[01:58] <FlangeR> could do that. But why would the kdepackage work, and the gnome-pilot fail? There should be a reason right?
[01:59] <DewDude> heh
[01:59] <thoreauputic> kyle: $ du -sh ~/.local
[01:59] <thoreauputic> 216K	/home/peter/.local
[01:59] <thoreauputic> something is wrong methinks :)
[01:59] <kyle> in my setup? :-)
[01:59] <thoreauputic> dunno
[02:00] <thoreauputic> kyle: try du -h ~/.local
[02:00] <thoreauputic> to see what's in there
[02:00] <DewDude> ok, so...i didn't configure multiseat..it said the IDE modules weren't available and i also let it to auto-config of partitions...think this'll work?
[02:00] <Kyral> and I must be going to class
[02:00] <Kyral> lata :D
[02:01] <funkyHat> has anyone got amaroK to list wma files in it's library?
[02:01] <glyn> anyone know what packages it takes to get Mp3 support?
[02:01] <kyle> thoreauputic: I only get a bunch of files that I already have somewhere else in my ~
[02:01] <kyle> (well with dirs and so on)
[02:01] <persia> ubotu tell glyn about mp3
[02:01] <kyle> glyn: ubuntu supports mp3 by default, afaik
[02:02] <thoreauputic> kyle: but which ones show the biggest disc use from that command?
[02:02] <thoreauputic> kyle: as you saw, mine only contains 216k in total
[02:03] <thoreauputic> if yours has 3gig, tha't *very* weird IMO
[02:03] <DewDude> heh
[02:03] <kyle> oh crap
[02:03] <DewDude> i'll fix that when i get it goin.....if the code compiles under PPC
[02:03] <kyle> I'm just idiotic today...
[02:03] <thoreauputic> ?
[02:04] <kyle> $ du -sch .local/share/Trash/
[02:04] <kyle> 2,6G    .local/share/Trash/
[02:04] <kyle> 0:-)
[02:04] <kyle> (seems to be kde's trash)
[02:05] <thoreauputic> heh - that's a lot of trash ;-)
[02:06] <DewDude> you know what's really trash
[02:06] <DewDude> macos
[02:06] <kyle> DewDude: yup, that's why I use ubuntu in my powerbook :P
[02:06] <DewDude> i'm putting it on this imac
[02:06] <DewDude> it wouldn't configure multiseat system
[02:07] <kyle> thoreauputic: that's what happens when you remove your bin's icon from desktop and totally forget about it for weeks
[02:07] <DewDude> i also lost the bootstrap partition
[02:07] <thoreauputic> kyle: hahah :-)
[02:07] <DewDude> but, mac-fdisk made it
[02:08] <hussam> how do I convert a .tar to a .tar.bz2 ?
[02:08] <DewDude> so...maybe i won't need it
[02:08] <thoreauputic> kyle: I actuall never use the trash - I jut blow stuff away :) I guess it will bite me one day!
[02:08] <thoreauputic> *actually
[02:08] <persia> hussam: bzip2 foo.tar
[02:08] <mypapit> humulus, convert? ok.. just do bzip yourfile.tar
[02:09] <mypapit> humulus, bzip2
[02:09] <hussam> ok thanks
[02:10] <ompaul> !x-org
[02:10] <ubotu> ompaul: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:11] <ompaul> !x
[02:11] <ubotu> [x]  the Linux GUI system. You can find it at http://www.x.org
[02:11] <ompaul> what am I trying to remember - dpkg-reconfigure X something?
[02:11] <thoreauputic> !xorg
[02:11] <ubotu> xorg is, like, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:11] <thoreauputic> ompaul: :)
[02:11] <ompaul> thoreauputic: thank you
[02:12] <bimberi> too quick thoreauputic :)
[02:12] <ompaul> too  late a night
[02:12] <ompaul> I know its lunchtime
[02:12] <thoreauputic> bimberi: I consulted ubotu ;-)
[02:12] <ompaul> but 3am is no time to finish work :)
[02:12] <bimberi> so did i :)
[02:12] <aftertaf> lol
[02:14] <ompaul> some how I d/loaded ubuntu-desktop but did not install it - my brain is not present today
[02:15] <bimberi> ompaul: apt-get -d ? :)
[02:15] <DewDude> reboot
[02:15] <osfameron> what's the best way to stop and restart X/gnome ?
[02:15] <ompaul> bimberi: I am not looking at the history file in case I find out :)
[02:15] <bimberi> osfameron: logout then <ctrl><alt><backspace>
[02:15] <DewDude> well, it loaded
[02:16] <kyle> thoreauputic: well, I just use whatever action is the default for konqueror's "del" key so... things endup like this ;-)
[02:16] <osfameron> bimberi, that shuts down, no?
[02:16] <thoreauputic> ompaul: heheh
[02:16] <persia> osfameron: For an emergency stop, use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.  For a smooth restart, run `sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart` (or kdm or xdm, etc.) from a console.
[02:16] <ompaul> well its all installing now
[02:16] <ompaul> this should be interesting skype was installed before gnome
[02:17] <bimberi> osfameron: ooh yes, listen to persia :)
[02:17] <osfameron> persia, ta
[02:17] <osfameron> yeah, not an emergency
[02:17] <osfameron> I just have some newly installed apps which don't have icons in the launcher :-)
[02:17] <thoreauputic> !smeg
[02:17] <ubotu> somebody said smeg was a Simple Menu Editor for GNOME. Get it at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ or from backports.
[02:17] <persia> osfameron: You don't even need to restart X: just log out, and log back in.
[02:17] <bimberi> osfameron: killall gnome-panel
[02:17] <ompaul> thoreauputic: did you find the clue of the day useful  - alt+direction arrow moves from one console to another
[02:18] <DewDude> how long does stage 2 usually take?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I already knew that one ;-)
[02:18] <ompaul> thoreauputic: I only knew the Fkeys
[02:19] <ompaul> 10 years of this $word and I find this out by accident
[02:19] <thoreauputic> ompaul: I actually discovered it by accident once when X was being unco-operative on my old box
[02:20] <ompaul> thoreauputic: found it while playing with 'links' a couple of hours ago
[02:20] <thoreauputic> aha
[02:20] <osfameron> bimberi: ta, that's the one
[02:21] <bimberi> osfameron: yw :)
[02:21] <thoreauputic> bimberi: what does that do? Reveal the desktop?  (I'm in fluxbox)
[02:22] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yes, and it toggles (like windows-D in windows)
[02:23] <thoreauputic> bimberi: ah - nice - thanks for that !
[02:24] <bimberi> thoreauputic: yvw :)
[02:29] <brownie17> hey everyone
[02:30] <aftertaf> heybrownie17
[02:30] <aftertaf> hey brownie17
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: how it going?
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: i got another problem , but its not urgent
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: actually got to go
[02:31] <brownie17> aftertaf: night after tommorrow maybe
[02:32] <persia> Whilst there's discussion of special keys: does anyone know how to configure two different event devices reporting as "mice" to have different responses to their buttons?
[02:32] <aftertaf> night...?
[02:32] <aftertaf> hehe its afternoon here,
[02:32] <aftertaf> where IS here?
[02:41] <thoreauputic> hmm.. quiet in here, and only 228 people...
[02:41] <DewDude> heh
[02:41] <DewDude> well, i talk, no one seems to acknowledge me
[02:42] <DewDude> but, i know why it is...it's cuz i'm trying to install to a mac
[02:42] <DewDude> and no one wants to talk to me now
[02:42] <DewDude> so
[02:42] <DewDude> :-P
[02:42] <DewDude> i don't think this is gonna work so well out of box
[02:42] <DewDude> i'm seeing things fail
[02:42] <thoreauputic> I have an iBook G4 running Ubuntu...
[02:42] <DewDude> oh
[02:42] <thoreauputic> oh - phone
[02:43] <DewDude> maybe you can help me fix my G3 if this install b0rks
[02:44] <DewDude> oooh...i see X
[02:44] <DewDude> oooh
[02:44] <DewDude> i see a desktop
[02:44] <LaserLine> hello all, how can i remount my filesystem in Read Only mode so i could run FSCK ?
[02:45] <DewDude> alright..mouse works
[02:45] <DewDude> that's better than i did with gentoo
[02:46] <LaserLine> hello all, how can i remount my filesystem in Read Only mode so i could run FSCK ?
[02:46] <DewDude> this is nice
[02:47] <persia> LaserLine: Boot into recovery mode
[02:47] <nichead> hi! no one answered an hour ago, maybe this time: i'm using breezy and having the following problem with udev: it starts once from /etc/rcS.d/S04udev but doesn't create the needed device nodes (keyboard etc.) so it doesn't start x. when i then log in manually and do /etc/init.d/udev restart, the devices are there and x starts up. any idea? thanks!
[02:47] <nichead> should i start udev later?
[02:47] <LaserLine> persia, i'm there but it says the FS is already mounted...
[02:47] <persia> LaserLine: Alternately, you can try `sudo mount /filesystem -o remount,ro` but that doesn't always work, as some files may be open.
[02:48] <LaserLine> i need to write /filesystem ? or change to /dev/hda1?
[02:48] <persia> LaserLine: I use the logical name (e.g. /boot), but I believe you can also use the device name.
[02:49] <LaserLine> persia, Where can i find the logical names ?
[02:49] <LaserLine> persia, what is the most stable filesystem there is to linux (ubuntu) ?
[02:49] <persia> LaserLine: The file /etc/fstab maps logical names (filesystems, mount points) to physical devices (or maybe the reverse)
[02:50] <persia> LaserLine: The *most* stable filesystem in linux is a highly guarded secret known only to three people in the world.  Personally, I like ext2 for /boot, and ext3 for other things.
[02:52] <aftertaf> persia:  is it winfs ??
[02:52] <LaserLine> I have another question about BIOS Settings, I have a Fujitsu-Siemens S-4546 laptop (P3-600Mhz, Intel 440MX chipset for Audio) I use the 686 kernel from Ubuntu Repositories, Should I enable PNP-OS in the BIOS, ot should I put it an "NO" ?
[02:52] <aftertaf> :P
[02:52] <aru> aftertaf: I thought winfs was a myth :)
[02:52] <LaserLine> persia, I think i have all my FS as EXT3, is that good ? (I chose default settings when installing Ubuntu Hoary a few months ago)
[02:53] <aftertaf> urban legend #1 of Redmond Way
[02:53] <aru> :)
[02:53] <aftertaf> hehe
[02:54] <persia> LaserLine: I've had success using that: it's pretty stable for a normal number of files in a normal number of directories with a normal amount of file turnover (for my values of normal).  I only use ext2 for /boot because I'm too conservative to trust journaling for my kernels.
[02:54] <Paradoxx> hi all
[02:54] <Paradoxx> what media player would you all recommend?...shoud i just use totem, or is there somthing else better
[02:54] <osfameron> gnome-rhythm-box (Music Player) seems to be ok for basic use
[02:54] <LaserLine> And how do you select that ? while installation ?
[02:55] <osfameron> It was automatic for me - check in Applications->Sound->Music Player ?
[02:56] <persia> LaserLine: At the time of filesystem creation, which is usually at the time of installation, unless you have extra disks and move your installation around (one should really use lvm or something if this is required).
[02:56] <LaserLine> Ok... I find my FS really UNSTABLE... I get a lot of INODE Errors while booting up the system.
[02:57] <LaserLine> persia, I don't think I have a Bad HARDDRIVE, because, while running fsck -c, it dosn't return erros...
[02:57] <persia> LaserLine: Do you shut down smoothly every time?   That really shouldn't happen.
[02:57] <LaserLine> persia, yes.. I do that.
[02:57] <LaserLine> persia, I'm kinda sick of fixing it up everytime...
[02:58] <LaserLine> persia, should i enable PnP-OS in the Bios or disable it, coz i think I that's what caused the problem now.
[02:59] <persia> LaserLine: On your BIOS question: an old HOWTO (http://www.linux.com/howtos/Plug-and-Play-HOWTO-3.shtml) says it doesn't matter, but I'm not really sure.
[02:59] <DewUbuntu> holy crap, it worked out of box
[03:00] <LaserLine> persia, i'll read that... What do you think about my FS problems ?
[03:01] <persia> LaserLine: If you could post the relevant part of your /var/log/syslog (with the fsck errors) in the pastebin, I'll take a look and see if I can recommend anything.
[03:01] <LaserLine> now i'm fixing it with FSCK, what should be the procedure for me posting it ?
[03:02] <LaserLine> persia, I mean how do i do that (getting relevant parts) the best way.
[03:03] <persia> LaserLine: Open the file (or a copy) in your favoirtie text viewer, and look for the fsck errors you received last boot: copy this section of the file (it may be a bit long)
[03:04] <LaserLine> persia, if i fixed the FS, the log will still be there ?
[03:05] <persia> LaserLine: I'm more interested in the automatic errors that happen on boot, than the actual log of the fixes.  I'm guessing there is something funny about your configuration if the filesystem has errors every time, and you're sure there is no hardware problem.
[03:06] <stoeptegel> does someone knows what i can do with 1.0K media partitions in /media ?
[03:06] <leonel> Nice Bootsplash on breezy after today's update :)
[03:06] <Mitario> hmm, is it possible to resize ntfs partitions with the ubuntu livecd?
[03:07] <LaserLine> persia, Ok, will do that, Where would you like me to post it ? (or should i email it to you?)
[03:07] <persia> LaserLine: use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:08] <DewUbuntu> direct rendering isn't on according to glxinfo...but i get 80fps with glxgears
[03:08] <LaserLine> persia, what's the pastebin ? never heard of it....
[03:10] <aftertaf> go to the link
[03:10] <thoreauputic> !paste
[03:10] <ubotu> paste is, like, totally, please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[03:10] <catfox> what does breezy bootsplash look like? is it nice, like fedora graphical boot or suse? or a bit rough, like the hoary boot cd?
[03:12] <aftertaf> whats the command for uptime again?
[03:12] <persia> DewUbuntu: You're probably getting 80fps using software rendering.  DRI should make it even faster.
[03:12] <persia> aftertaf: uptime is uptime
[03:12] <thoreauputic> aftertaf:  "uptime"
[03:12] <thoreauputic> funnily enough :)
[03:12] <incubii> breezy bootsplash doesnt even work on my machines
[03:13] <aftertaf> 5 days :)
[03:13] <aftertaf> probly a first for me...
[03:13] <aru> I love how my nick registers then it joins #unregged
[03:13] <DewDude> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1764
[03:13] <thoreauputic>  23:13:27 up 69 days,  7:31,  5 users,  load average: 0.24, 0.30, 0.27
[03:14] <persia> DewDude: Yep: that's definitely software rendering (render is Mesa GLX Indirect)
[03:14] <DewDude> ok
[03:14] <DewDude> well
[03:14] <DewDude> i'd like to fix that
[03:15] <DewDude> no time now tho
[03:15] <DewDude> work calls
[03:15] <DewDude> but i did get kubuntu working
[03:15] <DewDude> and it's running nicely
[03:16] <djp> hi, can anyone tell me how i prevent the cd palyer opening by default when i incert an audio cd under hoary? is there a key combination i need to hold down?
[03:16] <persia> LaserLine: Are you still there?  Are you posting your fsck errors?
[03:17] <Wilf> windows...is so...damn...annoying.
[03:17] <Wilf> i have killed explorer
[03:17] <Wilf> so i have nothing
[03:17] <Wilf> but it is not restarting
[03:17] <Wilf> but xchat still runs
[03:17] <Wilf> so i have a pretty picture of a plane
[03:17] <Wilf> but i can';t do anything
[03:17] <Wilf> except irc.
[03:17] <persia> djp: One of the options under System...Preferences (media?) allows you to uncheck a box to browse removable media when inserted.
[03:18] <aru> make use of the comma :)
[03:18] <Shacham> how do i send a mail with an attachment using command line?
[03:19] <LaserLine> persia, i can't boot now..........
[03:19] <incubii> Wilf what version windows
[03:19] <DewDude> well, now i must go to work
[03:19] <DewDude> which...i don't want to
[03:19] <incubii> k his gonoe
[03:19] <djp> persia, thanks. i was hoping there was a way to just hold down a key on insertion and that would stop the default cd player opening... may be my only option though
[03:20] <LaserLine> persia, I got librt.s0.1 errors (cannot opern shared object file) - fsck found that error and attempted to fix it, so i rebooted after and the error still persists...
[03:20] <persia> LaserLine: Ahhh...  I understand.  Sorry.  Do you have a livecd?  You may be able to get the data with this.  I'll have to go soon: perhaps another can assist later if it will take you a while.
[03:20] <LaserLine> I have the LIVE CD - or should i boot the 386 kernel...
[03:21] <persia> LaserLine: It sounds like your filesystem is corrupt, even if there is no hardware error.  If you can boot the 386 kernel cleanly, it should at least assist with investigation.
[03:21] <LaserLine> persia, ok - i'll do that now. (it takes 2 minutes to boot)
[03:21] <LaserLine> persia, I think i'll have to reinstall the 686 kernel ?
[03:21] <persia> djp: There may be such a magic key (or such a key may be configurable), but I don't know the answer.  I'm sure it can be done.
[03:21] <persia> LaserLine: Good luck!
[03:22] <LaserLine> persia, I did that last week...
[03:22] <LaserLine> persia, Please tell me when you leave...
[03:22] <djp> persia, sure.
[03:22] <joachimaa> hi there. does someone know which package network-admin belongs to?
[03:22] <persia> LaserLine: If the 386 kernel boots cleanly, and the 686 kernel does not, that may be the case, but perhaps we can find something in a file that will prevent the corruption in the future.
[03:23] <thoreauputic> !find network-admin
[03:23] <ubotu> Ubuntu Search of 'network-admin' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/network-admin, /usr/share/omf/gnome-system-tools/network-admin-C.omf, /usr/share/gnome/help/network-admin/C/network-admin.xml) in gnome/gnome-system-tools.
[03:23] <qt2> anyone here using google im or whatever it's called? ;)
[03:24] <LaserLine> persia, i have the same thing with the 386 loading the LiveCD...
[03:24] <keroppo> hi
[03:24] <ekimus> anyone knows where konqueror stores the default bookmarks? (systemwide not per user)
[03:25] <persia> Shacham: If you don't find a command line interface to one of the more advanced tools, you can always manually configure the MIME and SMTP headers, and do something with `sendmail -bs.  This might require a little scripting to be repeatable...
[03:25] <LaserLine> persia, this is kind of wierd, because i had a similar problem last week....
[03:25] <thoreauputic> joachimaa: looks like it's in gnome-system-tools I guess :)
[03:25] <keroppo> anyone knows when amarok 1.3 will be included in stable ubuntu?
[03:25] <joachimaa> yup, thanks :)
[03:26] <persia> LaserLine: The problem happens loading a kernel off the livecd?  It is trying to mount a filesystem on the CD, or on the harddrive?
[03:26] <thoreauputic> ekimus: try locate bookmarks | grep kde
[03:26] <flugh> keroppo, check out 'get-amarok-svn.sh' script. i use it now and have 1.3 running from my ~/.amarok
[03:26] <LaserLine> persia, the problem happens when loading the system from HardDrive.... I dicided to load the LiveCD and access the log and post it...
[03:27] <flugh> keroppo, will do until 1.3 is packaged and ready anyway
[03:27] <AzCowboy> Can anyone help me figure out why my wireless adapter keeps showing disconnected?  It's cycling... about 7 seconds connected, then it shows 3 seconds or so disconnected...
[03:27] <persia> LaserLine: Good!  I was afraid there might be a controller issue or something.
[03:27] <thoreauputic> ekimus: looks like mostly in /usr/lib/kde3/
[03:27] <keroppo> thanx, flugh, where can i get it?
[03:28] <flugh> keroppo, http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/index.php/Get-amarok-svn.sh
[03:28] <jo_e> is the progress bar broken in the latest version of gtk-gnutella, or is it just me?
[03:28] <xerxas> hi
[03:28] <LaserLine> persia, I think the laptop is fine (although it's 6 years old)
[03:28] <ekimus> thoreauputic: i'll look into it. just thought somebody happens to know the exact location
[03:28] <keroppo> flugh, thanx. i thought it was in synaptic
[03:29] <ekimus> AzCowboy: what access point do you have?
[03:29] <AzCowboy> It's a Linksys.
[03:29] <AzCowboy> Works great, and I wasn't having any problems till this morning.
[03:29] <ekimus> hmm those should be fine. i know that some netrlaaaaaag
[03:29] <ekimus> arg
[03:29] <AzCowboy> And I'm USING the wireless, so obviously it's got a connection...
[03:29] <ekimus> sorry
[03:30] <LaserLine> persia,LiveCD is up
[03:30] <AzCowboy> This is what I love about Linux.  It's consistency!
[03:30] <ekimus> AzCowboy: linksys should be fine. you could have a look in /var/log/messages for suspicious messages about your wlan card
[03:31] <LaserLine> persia, how do i accesss the LOG from the LiveCD - the HD isn't mounted.
[03:31] <persia> LaserLine: OK.  Try mounting your /var filesystem from your installation, and then put the appropriate portions of log/syslog (with the recent boot crashes & fsck failures) in http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl.  I'll take a look directly.
[03:31] <xerxas> hi
[03:31] <persia> LaserLine: Do you know which partition is used for /var?
[03:32] <LaserLine> persia, umm... /dev/hda1
[03:32] <xerxas> any developper here ?
[03:32] <keroppo> flugh, do you have ubuntu or kubuntu? the script requires many kde things, i think
[03:32] <kamikazesponge> hello
[03:32] <xerxas>  /etc/init.d/gdm stop doesn't check the uid , and says ok
[03:32] <LaserLine> persia, I know my Swap is /dev/hda5 and I run FSCK usually on /dev/hda1
[03:32] <xerxas> doesn't make sense i correct it ?
[03:32] <persia> LaserLine: OK.  `mkdir foo; sudo mount /dev/hda1 foo` should do it.
[03:32] <xerxas> how should I report this ?
[03:33] <AzCowboy> ekimus: http://pastebin.com/350956
[03:33] <kamikazesponge> i was wondering if i can give my box a static ip/dns/gateway/subnet/broadcast, and i figured out how to do the ip/subnet/broadcast but then it drops the dns/gateway.. is there a way to do both?
[03:33] <AzCowboy> I don't see anything.
[03:33] <flugh> keroppo, amarok is a kde app
[03:33] <flugh> keroppo, there's some kde needs :)
[03:33] <LaserLine> persia - what's foo ?
[03:33] <LaserLine> persia - did it :D
[03:33] <keroppo> flugh, u're right :)
[03:33] <persia> LaserLine: "foo" is a metasyntactic variable.   If you load it in a viewer, you should be able to jump to the bottom, and scroll up until you find the fsck errors.
[03:36] <ekimus> AzCowboy: looks like it's nearly the same hardware i have (acer travelmate 800). what type is the wlan card?
[03:36] <ekimus> AzCowboy: the atheros?
[03:36] <LaserLine> persia - i'm in the bottom...
[03:37] <AzCowboy> http://pastebin.com/350959
[03:37] <AzCowboy> Yes, It's an atheros wireless adapter in it.
[03:37] <LaserLine> persia, syslog is the most important log ?
[03:38] <persia> aftertaf: A metasyntactic variable contains some unspecified value in language the way that $i holds an unspecified value in ...do echo $i; done.  The canonical metasyntactic variables are foo, bar, baz, and quux.  More information is available from either the jargon file or some of the old files on rftm.mit.edu (or whatever the MIT RTFM server is called).
[03:38] <kamikazesponge> i was wondering if i can give my box a static ip/dns/gateway/subnet/broadcast, and i figured out how to do the ip/subnet/broadcast but then it drops the dns/gateway.. is there a way to do both?
[03:38] <persia> LaserLine: When there are errors on boot, they are usually saved to syslog.  I'm hoping the errors you are seeing on your screen are being saved there for inspection.
[03:39] <keroppo> good bye all. I just discovered this great channel and i wish i gave it a check before
[03:39] <keroppo> thanx again, slugh, see ya
[03:39] <keroppo> thanx again, flugh, see ya
[03:39] <LaserLine> persia, i can't see the errors...should i check another log ?
[03:40] <flugh> keroppo, youre welcome. cya
[03:40] <persia> LaserLine: No, if /var/log/syslog (or in your case, foo/var/log/syslog) doesn't contain any fsck errors, then likely your system never came up enough to save the error log.  Could you post the /etc/fstab on /dev/hda1?  This might help.
[03:41] <LaserLine> persia, at pastebin or here?
[03:41] <persia> LaserLine: Always i the pastebin: pasting here interrupts others conversations and is hard to read.
[03:42] <LaserLine> persia, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1765
[03:43] <ekimus> AzCowboy: have you tried what line 27 suggests in your dmesg? (the lapic)
[03:43] <AzCowboy> Haven't really tried anything... The wireless worked flawlessly for two days, now this.
[03:44] <AzCowboy> I don't know what apic or lapic do/are
[03:44] <persia> LaserLine: No, that looks fine.  It runs the automated fsck on boot each time.     Hmmmm.....  Could you please umount your drive from the live cd, and run `fsck /dev/hda1 -y > bar 2>&1` and post bar as a comment?  I'd like to look at the errors.
[03:44] <AzCowboy> It's also telling me I don't have a battery installed.
[03:44] <AzCowboy> heh
[03:45] <LaserLine> persia ok.
[03:45] <LaserLine> persia - I found the following error in the syslog: " {hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}
[03:45] <ekimus> AzCowboy: is there a possibility that you (by accident) disable/enable the wlan card? because my notebook is poorly designed and when i work with it I sometimes hit the button that does just this
[03:46] <ekimus> AzCowboy: took me a while to figure that out
[03:46] <LaserLine> persia how do i unmount foo ?
[03:46] <persia> LaserLine: I've only seen that error when a drive was about to fail.  I recommend you replace your hard drive soonest!
[03:46] <LaserLine> persia really ?
[03:46] <ekimus> LaserLine: looks like your harddrive is dying (or if it's a cd a bad one very bad)
[03:46] <persia> LaserLine: `sudo umount foo`
[03:47] <persia> LaserLine: Really.
[03:47] <AzCowboy> Nope.  The laptop is folded at the back of my desk, under a monitor stand, and I'm currently USING the wireless connection.  It still says it's cycling.
[03:47] <LaserLine> persia, i get command not found when typing sudo unmount foo
[03:47] <AzCowboy> and the laptop has a switch on the front of it for the wireless.  Nothing anywhere near it.
[03:48] <persia> LaserLine: No 'N': `sudo umount foo`
[03:48] <LaserLine> persia, silly me!
[03:48] <LaserLine> persia, what does the error mean ?
[03:48] <ekimus> AzCowboy: i just can think of the lapic stuff. no more ideas sorry (but i also saw something about upgrading your bios in the messages, on the other hand if it worked you should make sure it isn't the access point that's causing the trouble)
[03:48] <LaserLine> persia - device is busy while trying to Umount
[03:49] <AzCowboy> ekimus: Everything is exactly the same as yesterday when it worked fine.
[03:49] <AzCowboy> ah, well... I'll try to fix it.
[03:49] <AzCowboy> Thanks.
[03:49] <ekimus> AzCowboy: then i'd blame either the router or the hardware in the laptop....
[03:49] <LaserLine> persia - I can't unmount it... :(
[03:49] <kjaer> I can't seem to get my wireless to work. It is using the ipw2200 chipset. At first ubuntu found the card, said it was wireless and so on, but I wasn't able to use it.
[03:50] <ekimus> LaserLine: that's most probably because of the dying harddrive. my guess it can't sync the data in the buffers to disk
[03:50] <kjaer> Couldn't search for networks or the like.
[03:50] <Shacham> persia Shacham: If you don't find a command line interface to one of the more advanced tools, you can always manually configure the MIME and SMTP headers, and do something with `sendmail -bs.  This might require a little scripting to be repeatable...
[03:50] <persia> LaserLine: You've got a process running on that drive.  As you're in the livecd, it may be easiest to reboot.  The error message indicates that the drive reported that it was not ready when trying to find something.  Looking at the error carefully, I notice that it is the CD, so as ekimus said, your CD may have issues.
[03:50] <Shacham> i need it with a command line interface
[03:50] <jatos> hi
[03:50] <kjaer> Then I upgraded the ipw2200 driver and firmware, and the ieee80211 module.
[03:50] <Shacham> its for a cron backup script
[03:50] <kjaer> Now it can't even recognice it as a wireless card.
[03:51] <kjaer> Any hints what to do ?
[03:51] <LaserLine> persia, do you know of a tool to physically lowlevel format a HD ?
[03:51] <ekimus> LaserLine: dd
[03:51] <persia> Shacham: sendmail -bs is a command line interface to send files: perfect for backup scripts.  On the other hand, the interface leaves a *lot* to be desired, and you may have to read some RFCs to get it working nicely.  Back when I had a mail server, I had a perl script to do this, but I've since lost it.
[03:51] <LaserLine> ekimus dd ?
[03:52] <ekimus> LaserLine: the tool you asked for (not exactly low level formatting but it will do enough to make sure you have a clean disk, so you can run tests on it)
[03:52] <CarlFK> I have 6 pci modems.  none show up under "detect modem", so I am guessing they are all winmodems.  I hear some will work.  what is the best way to figure out which will work best?
[03:53] <persia> LaserLine: I usually repartition and mkfs, but if the drive is bad, formatting will not help so much.
[03:53] <LaserLine> persia, when i think about it, if the harddrive really has an error, then i should see it in the same error in the syslog of the LiveCD boot... ?
[03:53] <Bags> Hello again boys and girls...
[03:53] <LaserLine> ekimus, where can i find this tool ?
[03:54] <Bags> pure-ftpd is doing some wierd stuff. No matter what I do, each user logs into and is allowed to browse all files...
[03:54] <boodle> anyone using breezy getting evolution segfaults with "GNOME_IS_CANVAS" calls showing up i ".xsession_errors" ?
[03:54] <persia> LaserLine: No, the hard drive does not mount automatically during the livecd boot (I think); that's why you had to mount it manually.  Moreover, the error you reported (SeekNotReady) was for /dev/hdb1 - the livecd itself, rather than your hard drive.
[03:54] <ekimus> LaserLine: in the terminal, but be carefull if you choose the wrong device you can easily wipe out everything on a harddisk you don't want to get wiped
[03:54] <rouven> hey. how do i tell breezy's hotplug to link the proprietary nvidia modules into a proper .ko and put in volatile?
[03:54] <rouven> is that supposed to happen automagically?
[03:54] <LaserLine> ekimus, i don't care, this laptop is me learning linux....
[03:54] <Bags> I'm using pureadmin and it keeps reporting that pureFTP is not running, but I'm able to serve.
[03:55] <Shacham> persia, thx :)
[03:55] <persia> rouven: `module-assistant` then `dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r``
[03:55] <ekimus> LaserLine: but if you are in live cd. it's more likely what persia says (the cd having errors not the harddrive)
[03:55] <LaserLine> ekumus it's a spare computer, before i install it on my own machine. I want to leave Windows for good.
[03:55] <Bags> I can only serve, however, to accounts set up in gnome's users and groups, so these are machine accounts.
[03:55] <rouven> persia, thanks, i'll try that.
[03:55] <LaserLine> ekimus ok.
[03:55] <persia> Shacham: There's probably an already cooked recipie somewhere: my apologies I don't have one.
[03:55] <LaserLine> ekimus, just for my knowledge, if i want to dd /dev/hda1 what should i do ?
[03:56] <Bags> If I set up an account in pureadmin, the account is not recognised. It's almost as if there's another ftp server working, but PureAdmin is monitoring the activity.
[03:56] <LaserLine> persia should i run the fsck command from X or TTY 2 ?
[03:56] <stoeptegel> can i use debian unstable packages (rtorrent) for ubuntu 5.04 amd64?
[03:56] <CarlFK> LaserLine: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=OutputFIlename
[03:57] <persia> LaserLine: Be absolutely sure there is nothing on /dev/hda1 you want.  Then `dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 bs=1048576`
[03:57] <ekimus> LaserLine: man dd (really, you should read what dd does before you work with it, it's really low level and can seriously harm your data. I won't explain it for you)
[03:57] <CarlFK> LaserLine - if that errors, then you need the skip errors, fill with 0
[03:57] <persia> LaserLine: You can run it anywhere: it will just create bar for our review.
[03:57] <twibbler> does anybody know of any linux gps software ...
[03:57] <Bags> Any takers on my pureftpd question?
[03:58] <ekimus> twibbler: "apt-cache search gps"?
[03:58] <twibbler> thanks ekimus ...
[03:58] <Bags> Any suggestion for another irc channel that might be more appropriate to pureftpd questions?
[03:58] <CarlFK> twibbler - take a look at http://grass.itc.it
[03:58] <ekimus> twibbler: i saw at least to programs just with the command
[03:58] <CarlFK> twibbler - not sure if it does gps, but seems like a good place to start
[03:59] <LaserLine> persia, that made a "bar" file that has 4 lines in it, is that OK ?
[03:59] <persia> twibbler: You may also find https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS interesting...
[03:59] <persia> LaserLine: 4 lines is fine.
[04:00] <LaserLine> I'll paste it at pastebin
[04:00] <boodle> any suggestions on "evolution" replacement? (e-mail, contacts, calendar/tasks) ?
[04:01] <ekimus> boodle: kontact
[04:01] <jo_e> boodle: emacs
[04:01] <ekimus> *g*
[04:01] <ekimus> for the sake of it: vim
[04:01] <jo_e> ;)
[04:01] <LaserLine> persia, http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1765
[04:01] <LaserLine> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1766
[04:01] <boodle> ekimus: wish it was named "gcontact" :-) gnome user.   jo_e any pointers to where to look for using emacs for above (I'm serious at this point!)
[04:02] <persia> LaserLine: Now I'm very confused.  When you run the fsck from the livecd, it shows no errors, but when you boot you are reporting lots of inode errors on fsck.  Is this correct?
[04:02] <ekimus> jo_e: recommending emacs with a nick that suggests "joe"........
[04:02] <chrismy> hey :D
[04:03] <LaserLine> persia, yes, but I told you i ran the fsck -c -C -f command and fixed the errors.... but i still get some file errors.
[04:03] <jo_e> boodle: emacs comes with an info manual, C-h i, and has a section called "Customisation" with a load of examples you can just dump into your .emacs
[04:03] <jo_e> ekimus: my name suggests joe because my name is joe ;)
[04:03] <ekimus> jo_e: good point :)
[04:03] <boodle> heh k
[04:04] <kemik> !java
[04:04] <ubotu> well, java is to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[04:06] <LaserLine> persia, any idea what's going on with my HD ? is there any tool (except DD) that can tell me what is the health of my HD ?
[04:06] <LaserLine> persia, I already installed a S.M.A.R.T Deamon and ran all 3 scans and all was OK.
[04:06] <persia> LaserLine: I think you had a bad block in some critical file, and destroyed the file when you marked the blocks bad.  I still recommend you replace the disk, but you ought to be able to reinstall stuff to fix it.    From here, you can run a
[04:07] <X3N> restart /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl
[04:07] <X3N> with CC environment variable pointing to the "gcc" version "3.4.5" <// anyone got any suggestions on how i could do this
[04:07] <persia> LaserLine: I don't know of any tools to check the health of a hard drive (and didn't know dd could do that : I thought it just copied data).
[04:08] <LaserLine> persia, your long post ended with "From here, you can run a" - what's next?
[04:08] <CarlFK> dd will error if it hits.. an error. ;)
[04:08] <joachimaa> !find
[04:09] <joachimaa> !find php-ncurses
[04:09] <persia> LaserLine: "From here you can run aptitude to look at things", but it probably should have ended "to reinstall things".  'L' is your friend today.
[04:09] <LaserLine> persia, I got the same error !!!!!! :D
[04:10] <LaserLine> persia, I remounted /dev/hda1 as foo
[04:10] <LaserLine> persia, then chroot foo bash
[04:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package/File/Desc Search of 'php-ncurses' returned no results.
[04:11] <LaserLine> persia, Now i see a "root@ubuntu:/#" i tried to run "ls" and got the following: "ls: error while loading shared libraries: librt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[04:12] <persia> LaserLine: Excellent!  You are now able to use your broken box in that terminal.  Can you open another terminal in the livecd?
[04:12] <aurax_> hay can anyone help me out with bridging ?
[04:13] <LaserLine> persia, yes I opened another terminal. one of them is "root@ubuntu" and the other one is a regular terminal.
[04:13] <X3N> yes aurax_
[04:13] <aurax_> X3N i got ubuntu as server bridged, 2 lan cards, switches, 7 clients
[04:13] <aurax_> i can ping the server
[04:13] <aurax_> but not outside
[04:14] <aurax_> it was working earlier no clue why it stopped.
[04:14] <arachnion> I just installed ubuntu, and the brightness is rather low
[04:14] <aurax_> cd /etc
[04:14] <aurax_> shwoops
[04:14] <arachnion> I have an old monitor, it's brightness is already at max
[04:15] <persia> Great.  Since your hard drive is already broken, I don't think we can do any more damage by copying /lib/librt.so.1 from the livecd environment to foo/lib/librt.so.1 (you need to do this in the livecd terminal).  Once copied, try running `ls` in the HD terminal again?
[04:15] <X3N> arachnion, type X --help
[04:15] <LaserLine> persia, I can't run aptitude from the "root@ubuntu" terminal, I get "aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libpthread.so.0 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory"
[04:15] <aurax_> x3n any idea ?
[04:15] <Cyber-shot> hi
[04:16] <arachnion> it says I'm not authorized X3N
[04:16] <X3N> not really, i've not got a clear picture of your setup
[04:16] <aurax_> again, :)
[04:16] <X3N> do it as root then arachnion
[04:16] <X3N> or sudo
[04:16] <Cyber-shot> hello all
[04:16] <Cyber-shot> :)
[04:16] <aurax_> ubuntu, with 7 clients
[04:16] <aurax_> dhcpd,
[04:16] <aurax_> want me to throw the conf's @ #flood ?
[04:16] <persia> LaserLine: As with librt.so.1, try copying /lib/libpthread.so.0 from the livecd to foo/lib and see what the next error is.  Eventually, enough libraries should be restored that you should be able to start reinstalling things.
[04:17] <aurax_> route -n ?
[04:17] <kamikazesponge> can i configure my box so it has a static ip/dns/gateway/broadcast/subnet on my network?
[04:17] <aurax_> something im really confugsed.
[04:17] <aurax_> confused
[04:17] <Cyber-shot> hello everybody
[04:17] <X3N> orospakr i recognise your nick
[04:18] <orospakr> X3N, hi
[04:18] <Cyber-shot> who  know how to use webcam in ubuntu?
[04:18] <Cyber-shot> pls help me
[04:18] <Cyber-shot> :)
[04:19] <LaserLine> persia, got LS working :D
[04:19] <LaserLine> now I ran aptitude...
[04:19] <arachnion> X3N, I've got this far: "sudo X -gamma 1.5"
[04:19] <aurax_> .
[04:19] <aurax_> X3N
[04:19] <aurax_> i've installed impasq, and bridge-utils
[04:20] <LaserLine> persia - I get APT Errors /home/ubuntu/.aptitude" how do i make it choose /foo ?
[04:20] <arachnion> but it's having problems since the display is already started
[04:20] <arachnion> or something like that
[04:20] <persia> LaserLine: Once you can run aptitude, you can start reinstalling things.  I recommend starting with libc6, as this should fix most of your shared library issues.
[04:21] <persia> LaserLine: You get that error when running aptitude in the chroot?
[04:21] <LaserLine> persia yes.
[04:22] <magical_trevsky> can anybody help me with running ubuntu on my laptop?
[04:22] <aurax_> hi again
[04:22] <aurax_> sorry
[04:22] <persia> Is that the actual error message?  Unfortunately, I don't understand what is wrong.
[04:22] <aurax_> x3n ur still around ?
[04:22] <X3N> yeah
[04:22] <aurax_> aight, cool.
[04:22] <kamikazesponge> can i configure my box so it has a static ip/dns/gateway/broadcast/subnet on my network? anyone?
[04:22] <LaserLine> persia, yes - it says error 2
[04:22] <magical_trevsky> I have an ibm thinkpad t20, and ubuntu doesn't recognise the built in network card
[04:22] <aurax_> i tell you what, i can ping the clients, clients can ping the server, and no outside traffic
[04:23] <aurax_> also NS issues, cant resolve dns's or ping sites
[04:23] <LaserLine> persia, maybe because i did mkdir foo under the home/ubuntu directory ?
[04:24] <aurax_> x3n ?
[04:24] <nerdy2> kamikazesponge: yes, go to System > Administration > Networking
[04:24] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: i don't have X installed, that's the problem
[04:24] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: it's a server you ssee
[04:24] <nerdy2> kamikazesponge: ok alternatively edit /etc/network/interfaces
[04:24] <persia> LaserLine: The programs you run in the chroot should not know about the filesystem outside the chroot.  I don't understand: it really shouldn't matter where you put foo.  How about just `apt-get --reinstall install libc6`?
[04:24] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: ok
[04:25] <LaserLine> persia, that works.
[04:25] <nerdy2> kamikazesponge:  man 5 interfaces will tell you the format/what you can put in there
[04:25] <magical_trevsky> can anybody help me?
[04:25] <kamikazesponge> nerdy2: thanks, i think that will do it ^^
[04:26] <LaserLine> persia i get an cache error...it can't find the packages ?
[04:27] <magical_trevsky> is there any way I can identify the network card, so I can try to find drivers?
[04:27] <persia> LaserLine: You may have to run `aptitude update` first: perhaps your cache is also corrupted.
[04:27] <occy> I just got a new USB 2.0 Seagate 160GB external hard drive (7200RPM 8MB Cache)  I've tried running  fdisk /dev/sda1 on it, but I got this error:  WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument. The kernel still uses the old table. The new table will be used at the next reboot. Syncing disks.
[04:27] <LaserLine> persia, what i understand is that i need to reinstall Ubuntu...
[04:27] <trygvebw> hi
[04:27] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: try running lspci
[04:27] <X3N> what do you mean by outside aurax_
[04:27] <trygvebw> How can i adjust the display gamma?
[04:28] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: [googling also may be suggestive]
[04:28] <LaserLine> persia, But i would like to "fix" my HD, because i already reinstalled ubuntu because these kind of errors....
[04:28] <aurax_> can't get into google from the client box
[04:28] <aurax_> or to any other website
[04:28] <aurax_> or ping to it
[04:28] <aurax_> or even resolving
[04:28] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: could you possibly explain what Ispci is? I'm very new to linux, sorry
[04:29] <X3N> orospakr, were you on xnet/afterx ?
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, open a term and type   lspci   ( L )
[04:29] <occy> heh
[04:29] <orospakr> X3N, no, I don't think so.
[04:29] <LaserLine> Persia, do you know of a tool that can destroy my HD, and mark badblocks as unavailable - even if it will take up half of the size, i don't care... I don't want to buy a new HD (too expensive...)
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, not Ispci
[04:29] <Bags> How do you stop pureftp from running?
[04:29] <sproingie> buh.  why on earth does ubuntu's grep not support -P?
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, ;)
[04:29] <magical_trevsky> ah, ok, thanks
[04:29] <occy> magical_trevsky, np, we all learn.
[04:29] <persia> LaserLine: I believe you "fixed" your hard drive with the fsck -c you ran.  Now, you just need to get all the packages reinstalled.  Once you can get aptitude running, you ought to be able to 'L' each package to reinstall.  You'll probably want to do main before universe.  (unless anyone else has a better way).
[04:30] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: it should list a bunch of PCI devices, one of them should be your network card
[04:30] <X3N> ohh orospakr its qc i know you from !
[04:30] <wickedpuppy> sproingie, it does support -P
[04:30] <persia> LaserLine: badblocks is supposed to do this: and fsck -c calls badblocks.  The problem is that once a drive starts to go, it typically gets worse over time, so you may expect to continue having issues, even if all blocks currently bad are unused...
[04:30] <wickedpuppy> -P, --perl-regexp         PATTERN is a Perl regular expression <----
[04:30] <sproingie> chuck@tetsuo:~$ grep -P foo
[04:30] <sproingie> grep: The -P option is not supported
[04:30] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: which if google doesn't lie should be either an intel eepro card or a 3com 3c556b
[04:30] <sproingie> wickedpuppy: is this changed in breezy?
[04:30] <Bags> I'm having trouble with PureFTPd and I need to stop it. Can someone please tell me how to stop this service?
[04:31] <LaserLine> persia, If I reformat and reinstall ubuntu, all the "fixing" i did with fsck -c will be erased... is there a way of reinstalling ubuntu with the marked blocks ?
[04:31] <wickedpuppy> sproingie, i am using warty
[04:31] <thoreauputic> Bags: sudo invoke-rc.d pure-ftpd stop
[04:31] <sproingie> wickedpuppy: as am i
[04:31] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks.
[04:31] <wickedpuppy> sproingie, its grep problem ... i suggest you contact grep dev ?
[04:31] <wickedpuppy> i doubt ubuntu changes grep before they roll out the distro
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Bags: or sudo /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd stop  (same thing really)
[04:32] <sproingie> it's grep.  they didn't build it with pcre.
[04:32] <persia> LaserLine: If you install in "expert" mode, you can be allowed to manually configure your parititions, and keep the ones you already "fixed".  Also, you can run fsck-c after the format, and before you copy files, but I think your disk will get worse soon, and you will have to do this again.
[04:33] <sproingie> oh this is rich
[04:33] <Bags> thoreauputic: Yep, that did it, but that's not it.
[04:33] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: it's a 3Com tornado apparently, should I just google for drivers?
[04:33] <sproingie> it's the amd64 build that isn't built with pcre
[04:33] <sproingie> how gratuitously broken
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Bags: not "it" ?
[04:33] <thoreauputic> Bags: define "it"
[04:33] <EasterSunshine> can someone recommend a hex editor and/or something that lets we see individual samples in a wav?
[04:34] <LaserLine> persia, please tell me what the error in the syslog means... (translate it to english if it's possible ;-) )
[04:34] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: the driver should be 3c59x ?
[04:34] <Bags> thoreauputic: Every time I try to run a command with PureFTPd, I get "Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use" It's as if there's another ftp server running...
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Bags: erm, if you ftp from another box on the network, does it connect ?
[04:34] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: the card is 3c556b
[04:35] <thoreauputic> Bags: with pure-ftpd running of course
[04:35] <thoreauputic> on the server
[04:35] <Bags> thoreauputic: Only with existing normal user account credentials, the ones I set up in PureFTPd aren't recognised...
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Bags: ah OK - well it's a config issue then: I don't know the details of pure-ftpd so you'll need to consult the man page I guess, or the web page for pure-ftpd
[04:37] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: I can't find any drivers for it on the 3com site :(
[04:37] <persia> LaserLine: "{hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error}" means that when reading drive hbd (primary IDE controller slave), your system was told that there was an error looking for something, to the best of my translation abilities.
[04:37] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: try typing "sudo modprobe 3c59x" on the command line
[04:37] <Bags> thoreauputic: I've done a search on installed packages and I can't see any other ftp server service running...
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Bags: I think you have to set up new local accounts
[04:37] <Bags> thoreauputic: Yeah, done that...
[04:38] <Zarxrax> Does ubuntu live cd work on MS Virtual PC?  Going around and around...
[04:38] <Bags> thoreauputic: Same story. PureAdmin says that PureFTPd isn't even running...
[04:39] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: it doesn't return anything (I'm not connected to the internet btw, if that means anything)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Bags: sorry, i can't really help - I've played with ftp, but I use scp/ssh or nfs here mostly
[04:39] <Bags> thoreauputic: I stopped it like you explained, and then tried to restart it, but I keep getting that thing about address already in use.
[04:39] <LaserLine> persia, ok...thanks... I'm really disappointed now :(
[04:39] <Bags> thoreauputic: That's ok.
[04:39] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: that's ok,  to see if the module is loaded you can type "lsmod | grep 3c59x" at a terminal
[04:39] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks anyhoo.
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Bags: hang on I'll try it here...
[04:40] <LaserLine> persia, I think i'll try to get a Disk tool, like Acronis or something like that that boots from a CD and WIPE My drive...
[04:40] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: if it's not loaded, nothing will be printed, if it is... there should be a line    "3c59x     <number>  <small number, likely 0 or 1>  <possibly empty list>"
[04:40] <CarlFK> default install ubunto on box A (intel P2).  should I be able to pull the drive and run it in Box B (intel P4)
[04:40] <aurax_> X3N ?
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Bags: seems to stop and start without complaint here
[04:41] <X3N> ?
[04:41] <Bags> thoreauputic: Bugger.
[04:41] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: is it loaded?
[04:41] <Bundi> Sorry if this isn't the place for newbie questions, if not please direct me somewhere else. Anyway, I'm hoping someone call tell me where to add things to the PATH= I had a look on the message boards but the last thing I tried (/etc/environment if I remember rightly) needed to be undone before I could use my system again.
[04:41] <Bags> thoreauputic: It's something I'm doing then...
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Bags: did you use "start" or "restart" ?
[04:41] <CarlFK> Bundi - this is the place.
[04:41] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: this is gonna sound really stupid, but I can't get the | to work on the keyboard :/
[04:41] <Bags> thoreauputic: Start
[04:42] <Bags> thoreauputic: start
[04:42] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: which means I can't type that
[04:42] <CarlFK> Bundi - do you have more than one user on the box?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> Bags: hmm - well that doesn't complain here
[04:42] <occy> can you use hdparm and USB drives?
[04:42] <occy> it shows up as /dev/sda1
[04:42] <Bundi> CarlFK no, just me.
[04:42] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: heh, well the | part was optional,   just do "lsmod" and you'll get a lot of output, look for a line of the form i said :)
[04:42] <CarlFK> Bundi - for one user, edit ~/.profile
[04:43] <thoreauputic> Bundi: for the system it would be /etc/profile I think
[04:43] <Bags> thoreauputic: I'm going to have to find a unix friend to vnc into my machine here and help me out.
[04:43] <Agiofws> why are hyphens added normaly in xchat+messneger+leafpad in my local language  well i can't use hyphens in  openoffice
[04:44] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: it says 37160 0
[04:44] <CarlFK> Bundi - add to the end of it: PATH="$PATH:/home/carl/sh"
[04:44] <Bundi> CarlFK Okaydokey, thanks! Then reboot?
[04:44] <elTigre> hi!
[04:44] <CarlFK> Bundi - no, just logout/login
[04:44] <CarlFK> hmm
[04:44] <elTigre> I upgraded my laptop to breezy
[04:44] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: ok, so it is loaded [the 37160 isn't useful for us,  the 0 says it isn't in use at the moment]
[04:44] <elTigre> but now  xorg.conf is screwed
[04:45] <elTigre> I don't know how the installation program configured my card/lcd display, but it simply worked... now it can't find a screen
[04:45] <CarlFK> Bundi - hmm.  that file gets run everytime "something" happens.  I know it works for looging into a shell prompt, i 'think' it applies to logging into X too
[04:45] <X3N> have you tried reconfiguring it
[04:46] <LaserLine> CarlFK, Do you know any Windows/Dos tools that lowlevel format a HD ?
[04:46] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: now probably the best thing to do is to see if this will work :),  by doing something like "ifconfig eth0 <ip address>" and then trying "ping <other ip address on the same lan>"
[04:46] <X3N> like dpkg --configure xorg
[04:46] <elTigre> I tried to reconfigure the xorg.conf file using debconf and numerous of my own ideas
[04:46] <elTigre> but this debconf thingy cannot even detect the correct resolution
[04:47] <X3N> is there not a backup of the conf ?
[04:47] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: e.g. "ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS>"  and then "ping <IP_ADDRESS>" if there's another box present with ip <IP_ADDRESS>  (and no other box with ip <IP_ADDRESS> of course :))
[04:47] <elTigre> during the original installation I never entered the resolution, though
[04:47] <elTigre> sorry, no backup there
[04:47] <arachnion> hello, I just came here with a screen brightness problem, which I fixed
[04:47] <arachnion> thanks X3N
[04:47] <CarlFK> LaserLine - lowlevel?  that is a manufacture specif thing, which you normaly don't want to do any more.
[04:47] <arachnion> but I'm having a sound problem now
[04:47] <rbirkby> I've been unable to boot Breezy properly for a month. Can anyone help? The problem can be seen at: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[04:47] <arachnion> plain simple: no sound
[04:47] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: I don't have any network cables for it, so i can't test it yet, I wasn't going to buy the cable until I knew it worked
[04:48] <magical_trevsky> so is there another way of testing?
[04:48] <LaserLine> CarlFK so tools similar that can fix a HD ?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> arachnion: step one - open alsamixer and check for muted channels
[04:48] <thoreauputic> arachnion: hit "m" to toggle mute/unmute
[04:49] <elTigre> can I run the config thingy from the installer without installing the complete system?
[04:49] <X3N> rbirkby, looks like a broken package or the permissions on the package are wrong
[04:49] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: is http://libranet.com/support/db/2.8/0305 that what I'm looking for?
[04:50] <rbirkby> X3N, I tried deleting the package and redownloading, I tried looking at the /usr install location - doesn't exist. So I touched a file to make it exist. It all still fails
[04:50] <occy> how can I temporarily keep USB devices from mounting?
[04:50] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well you should be running a much more up to date kernel than that
[04:50] <occy>  stop /etc/init.d/hotplug ?
[04:50] <arachnion> all of them should be unmuted thoreauputic ?
[04:50] <elTigre> I really need this laptop working again soon...
[04:50] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: try "uname -r",  what does it respond?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> arachnion: can't hurt - try it
[04:51] <arachnion> ok
[04:51] <thoreauputic> arachnion: and set them all around 50 or 60 %
[04:51] <rbirkby> X3N, libmp4 seems to have a whole string of dependancies that makes it virtually impossible to remove
[04:51] <arachnion> ok
[04:51] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: 2.6.10-5-386
[04:52] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: ok, so that page is outdated, as it says at the top a newer driver was included in the 2.4 line at least already
[04:52] <Bundi> brb
[04:52] <arachnion> nothing thoreauputic
[04:53] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: so does that mean there's a driver already installed? o_O
[04:53] <thoreauputic> arachnion: do you hear anything if you do   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp  ?  (ctrl-c to stop it)
[04:53] <jfosa> is there a good music player available on linux that has preset radio stations, the way winamp does?
[04:53] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well 3c59x should be the driver yes, and it is installed
[04:53] <arachnion> I read this thread, and it said that alsa needed to be able to grab my soundcard, bacause esd uses it
[04:54] <thoreauputic> jfosa: you might like streamtuner
[04:54] <EasterSunshine> i want a veiw a file in hex, how do i do it?
[04:54] <arachnion> no thoreauputic I don't hear anything
[04:54] <thoreauputic> jfosa: it uses xmms to play
[04:54] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: so if I buy a crossover cable, plug it in and connect it to my desktop pc then it'll all work? I'm kinda confused
[04:54] <thoreauputic> arachnion: hmm... has sound worked before on this install ?
[04:55] <arachnion> it's brand new, no
[04:55] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well you'll have to set it up with ip addresses or whatever
[04:55] <magical_trevsky> because in 'networking' only the modem is listed, not the nic
[04:55] <thoreauputic> arachnion: ah.... well I'm no sound guru: if crimsun is around he might be able to help
[04:55] <Bags> thoreauputic: I just stopped the service again and the system is still running a ftp server service...
[04:56] <arachnion> crimsun, can you help me out, please?
[04:56] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: yes, the driver should work [although if the install didn't recognize it, the driver's probably not loaded by default, so either modprobe every time, or set that up]
[04:56] <jfosa> thoreaputic: does it have an apt-get thing?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> Bags: how do you know that? does it show up with  ps aux  ?
[04:56] <elTigre> how can I configure an xserver to run on my laptop?
[04:56] <Bags> thoreauputic: I stopped PureFTPd but I can still log in and transfer files via ftp...
[04:56] <Bags> thoreauputic: with what?
[04:56] <thoreauputic> jfosa: yes, it's in universe I think
[04:57] <EasterSunshine> Bags: do ps -A|grep ftp
[04:57] <thoreauputic> Bags:  what does  ps aux | grep ftp show ?
[04:57] <jfosa> thoreaputic: universe?
[04:57] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: you can at least check that the driver recognizes your card,  (as root :  rmmod 3c59x ; modprobe 3c59x  -- this will make sure it actually loads, and wasn't just already there -- then go into /var/log and look at the ends of some files (e.g. kern.log, syslog, messages) for information from the driver)
[04:57] <thoreauputic> !tell jfosa about repos
[04:58] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: the same information may be printed on your console  (which may well be /dev/tty1 or if you are on a terminal may well be that one)
[04:58] <jfosa> thoreaputic thanks :)
[04:58] <thoreauputic> jfosa: yw :)
[04:58] <rbirkby> Anyone else with other ideas on my problem?
[04:59] <Bags> root 14266 0.0 0.0 1592 456 pts/4 S+ 00:57 0:00 grep ftp
[04:59] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: that information is about all one can do to make sure it'll work without actually testing it...
[04:59] <thoreauputic> Bags: well, there's no ftp server running if that's all you see
[05:00] <thoreauputic> Bags: does  pgrep pure-ftpd return a number?
[05:00] <brenner> rbirkby: just joined..what's the prob?
[05:00] <rbirkby> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[05:00] <Bags> thoreauputic: I just logged into it again with a PC and downloaded a file... ????
[05:01] <Bags> thoreauputic: nope
[05:01] <rbirkby> brenner, that's Breezy. It's been like that for a month. I've been unable to boot X in that time
[05:01] <Bags> thor
[05:02] <Bags> thoreauputic: hang on
[05:02] <rbirkby> brenner, so I've been trying to sort out the package problem hoping that X would sort itself once the package is fixed
[05:02] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: there's a load of stuff that I don't understand at the end of syslog, but it does appear to be related to the nic
[05:02] <Bags> thoreauputic: I dropped the p from the pgrep
[05:02] <Bundi> brb
[05:02] <thoreauputic> Bags: heh
[05:03] <Bags> thoreauputic: pgrep pure-ftpd returns 14358 and 14359
[05:03] <brenner> rbirkby: er, hang on ... why are you trying to unpack a deb file?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> OK it's running
[05:03] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: how can I tell if it's ok?
[05:03] <thoreauputic> Bags: probably spawn two processes - those are consecutive so...
[05:04] <rbirkby> brenner, Because apt-get dist-upgrade fails at exactly the same point. So i've reduced the problem to the smallest atom I know how to (like a good bug hunter...)
[05:04] <Bags> thoreauputic: I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means...
[05:04] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: well if there's information about your nic, and nothing saying "Loading failed" or other obvious failure messages you should be fine :)
[05:04] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: that means the driver recognizes the NIC, which is about all you can really test without getting a cable :)
[05:04] <Bags> thoreauputic: It's nearly 1:00 am here, I'm going to bed... Had enough..
[05:04] <thoreauputic> Bags: those are the process IDs (the numbers)
[05:05] <Bags> thoreauputic: I'm going to hit it again tomorrow.
[05:05] <D2DChat> hello, i have a problem with X
[05:05] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: if the driver isn't auto-loaded in the future, you may wish to add it to /etc/modules to get auto-loaded
[05:05] <Bags> thoreauputic: Thanks for your help. Very much appreciated.
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Bags: you can kill them with, say sudo killall pure-ftpd
[05:05] <D2DChat> I uninstalled my previous graphics card and now im on onboard gfx card
[05:05] <thoreauputic> Bags: no problem - good luck
[05:05] <D2DChat> and i need to know how to get X to recognize the onboard isntead of the old card
[05:05] <brenner> rbirkby: so you're trying to upgrade to breezy from hoary and it stops at that package?
[05:06] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: can I send you the contents of my syslog? (I'll put it on pastebin)
[05:06] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: sure
[05:06] <hanasaki> can someone help me with a routing question?
[05:06] <brenner> D2DChat: reconfiguring the xorg package might work
[05:06] <D2DChat> br
[05:06] <D2DChat> brenner how do i do that?
[05:06] <brenner> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:07] <rbirkby> brenner, I've was successfully on breezy back before the toolchain upgrade. So, it was a breezy->breezy dist-upgrade that failed
[05:07] <rbirkby> D2DChat, reconfiguring xorg fixed another problem I had on breezy
[05:07] <D2DChat> rbirkby: is there anyway i can do this without disconnecting from bitchx?
[05:08] <rbirkby> What's bitchx?
[05:08] <kaha> Anyone know why my Vim (6.3, Hoary) won't do digraphs? I have "set digraph" in my .vimrc.
[05:08] <D2DChat> rbirkby: it is a text-based irc client that im connecting from
[05:08] <brenner> D2DChat: probably not....you should've run 'screen' :)
[05:08] <rbirkby> D2DChat, try it on a different screen (ctrl-alt-F1)
[05:08] <D2DChat> brenner i forgot how to use those hehe
[05:09] <brenner> rbirkby: i'm not sure, sorry...
[05:09] <D2DChat> what was the command again? one more time?
[05:09] <rbirkby> awww
[05:09] <brenner> D2DChat: for what?
[05:09] <D2DChat> the dpkg-reconfigure
[05:09] <rbirkby> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:09] <brenner> doesn't bitchx have a scrollback feature? :-/
[05:09] <D2DChat> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:10] <D2DChat> i do, i was being lazy
[05:10] <D2DChat> hehe
[05:10] <D2DChat> brb
[05:10] <hawking> how can i extract a rar file?
[05:10] <mypapit> hawking, use rar
[05:10] <hawking> how?
[05:10] <mypapit> hanasaki, it's in the the multiverse repo
[05:10] <mypapit> hanasaki, apt-get rar
[05:10] <mypapit> hanasaki, apt-get install rar
[05:10] <brenner> rbirkby: i guess i should add, i haven't used breezy ...so my knowledge of it's problems is limited...have you searched the forum?
[05:10] <hawking> mypapit: can you give me a simple example?
[05:10] <hanasaki> mypapit: ?
[05:11] <apokryphos> hawking: you have to enable the Multiverse repository, then install rar.
[05:11] <brenner> hehe
[05:11] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: http://pastebin.com/351026
[05:11] <hawking> I already have rar
[05:11] <apokryphos> hawking: then use it
[05:11] <apokryphos> hawking: man rar
[05:11] <brenner> hanasaki: lousy tab-complete, ey? :)
[05:11] <hawking> isn't the command "rar e example.rar" right?
[05:11] <hanasaki> ya
[05:11] <hanasaki> hehe
[05:11] <hanasaki> so now make it up to me and help w/ routing :)
[05:12] <apokryphos> hawking: rar x is better
[05:12] <hanasaki> file-roller is better
[05:12] <apokryphos> hawking: and you'd know if you checked the man page ;-)
[05:12] <apokryphos> brenner: not minus at least -- good going.
[05:13] <elTigre> X still doesnt work on my laptop
[05:13] <brenner> apokryphos: :)
[05:13] <brenner> elTigre: what's the prob
[05:13] <elTigre> it worked out of the box after installationj
[05:13] <brenner> ?
[05:13] <brenner> and now?
[05:13] <apokryphos> wow, #ubuntu has had significantly less people since spam attack. Basically half.
[05:13] <factotum> anyone know why both xmms and bmp would lock up after hitting play with any file? other media players work alright, just these two lock up. Any suggestions?
[05:14] <chimo> hey guys i downloaded the nividia driver IA32.....and i run the install script  sh NVIDIA....etc...
[05:14] <elTigre> but after upgrading to breezy the config is screwed
[05:14] <brenner> factotum: change the output plugin to esound
[05:14] <apokryphos> factotum: did you install the appropriate codecs?
[05:14] <chimo> but t cant fidn the kernel stuff
[05:14] <brenner> factotum: common bug
[05:14] <apokryphos> elTigre: try reconfiguring your x
[05:14] <factotum> yup, i have the codecs, Ill look into the output change
[05:14] <elTigre> yeah
[05:14] <brenner> apokryphos:fyi,  xmms and bmp come with their own. :P
[05:14] <elTigre> I am doing that for two hours now
[05:14] <chimo> and it cant seem to download one either
[05:14] <apokryphos> brenner: they surely don't come with the mp3 codecs etc
[05:14] <factotum> now if i could just get it to close hehe
[05:15] <apokryphos> not sure about bmp, actually; xmms comes with Ubuntu though, no?
[05:15] <elTigre> is there a way to autodetect everything like the install cds did?
[05:15] <brenner> apokryphos: they surely do ... at least i think so
[05:15] <apokryphos> !info xmms
[05:15] <ubotu> xmms: (Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.2.10-2ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1917 kB, Installed size: 5988 kB
[05:15] <hawking> I love the command rm -rf and I dunno why
[05:15] <brenner> apokryphos: nether come by default
[05:15] <brenner> *neither
[05:15] <apokryphos> brenner: it's in MAIN. No mp3 stuff would be in there.
[05:15] <Blazint> "PrintScreen" key not working in current breezy?
[05:15] <chimo> !nvidia
[05:15] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[05:15] <factotum> Esound worked!! bravo!!
[05:15] <brenner> hawking: you like danger? :)
[05:16] <hawking> brenner: yeah:)
[05:16] <D2DChat> lol, i forgot that command:(
[05:16] <D2DChat> i think im on screen now though
[05:16] <factotum> so i guess we dont have the luxury of one system wide sound module eh??
[05:16] <D2DChat> how do i switch between screens?
[05:16] <spayne> i need some help try get the nvidia glx drivers working
[05:16] <spayne> because my card is an old nvidia
[05:16] <factotum> so far i see oss, alsa, esound..egads!
[05:16] <spayne> which mans i need the old drivers
[05:16] <spayne> and i won't let me compile them
[05:16] <brenner> apokryphos: i'm sure of it though. :(  i recall seeing it on the restricted formats wiki page
[05:16] <spayne> is there any way around this?
[05:16] <D2DChat> brenner: how do i switch between screens and what is that command again ? lol
[05:16] <chimo> is the binary driver the only way to install nivida drivers
[05:16] <chimo> ?
[05:17] <elTigre> WTF does dpkg overwrite my xorg conf if it can't autodetect anything?!
[05:17] <D2DChat> brenner
[05:17] <D2DChat> i kept getting it wrong
[05:17] <D2DChat> like
[05:17] <brenner> apokryphos: i.e. rythmbox needs codecs, xmms doesn't
[05:17] <D2DChat> kpgk or whatever
[05:17] <apokryphos> elTigre: it creates another xorg.conf, the previous one
[05:17] <D2DChat> i remember the reconfig part
[05:17] <brenner> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:17] <apokryphos> elTigre: it should autodetect the stuff, but this is hardly guaranteed on Breezy
[05:17] <factotum> brenner, thanks for the help btw
[05:17] <D2DChat> how do i switch screens?
[05:17] <apokryphos> brenner: I'll check into it later.
[05:17] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: the only relevant lines i see are the following:  #
[05:17] <nerdy2> PCI: Enabling device 0000:00:03.0 (0000 -> 0003)
[05:17] <nerdy2> #ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC]  enabled at IRQ 11
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:17] <nerdy2> ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:03.0[A]  -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[05:17] <elTigre> yeah
[05:17] <nerdy2> #3c59x: Donald Becker and others. www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
[05:17] <nerdy2> #0000:00:03.0: 3Com PCI 3c556B Laptop Hurricane at 0x1800. Vers LK1.1.19
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:17] <apokryphos> brenner: in my opinion they're both lame
[05:17] <nerdy2>  PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:03.0 to 64
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:17] <brenner> D2DChat: rarely use screen actually :)
[05:17] <nerdy2>  *** EEPROM MAC address is invalid.
[05:17] <nerdy2> #3c59x: vortex_probe1 fails.  Returns -22
[05:17] <nerdy2> #
[05:18] <brenner> nerdy2: don't paste !
[05:18] <nerdy2> 3c59x: probe of 0000:00:03.0 failed with error -22
[05:18] <apokryphos> nerdy2: please do NOT paste in here
[05:18] <D2DChat> brenner hehehe
[05:18] <nerdy2> #ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:05.0[A]  -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11
[05:18] <elTigre> so how can I get my laptop in a usable shape again
[05:18] <nerdy2> hmm, sorry, that was not supposed to be so intrusive
[05:18] <Ng> D2DChat: do you mean screen the console tool, or how to change between virtual consoles?
[05:18] <apokryphos> nerdy2: read the /topic
[05:18] <brenner> Ng: yes he does
[05:18] <D2DChat> Ng Yes
[05:18] <nerdy2> ok
[05:18] <Ng> I asked an either or question
[05:18] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: so is that bad then?
[05:18] <Ng> you can't answer that with yes ;)
[05:18] <D2DChat> Ng: screen console tool
[05:18] <brenner> the 1st one that is
[05:18] <bur[n] er> D2DChat, man screen
[05:18] <D2DChat> Ng: I was having fun:-P
[05:18] <Ng> D2DChat: ^A 0-9 or ^A "
[05:18] <factotum> so what would be good for an all around media player, audio video etc, mplayer maybe? Dont want to start a holy war here, just looking for options
[05:18] <Ng> D2DChat: or generally ^A ? for help :)
[05:18] <D2DChat> bur[n] er if i man screen it gives me more options than i can read on one screen
[05:18] <Ng> (^A meaning ctrl-a)
[05:19] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: ok, http://pastebin.com/351035
[05:19] <chimo> hey guys i downloaded the nividia driver IA32.....and i run the install script  sh NVIDIA....etc... and it cant find the kernel stuff and fails to install
[05:19] <bur[n] er> ^A c, create new screen, ^A N, next, ^A P, Previous
[05:19] <apokryphos> factotum: you're better off having a seperate normal audio/mp3 player and video player
[05:19] <factotum> thats what i was kind of thinking
[05:19] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: i don't like the vortex_probe1 failes line
[05:19] <Ng> chimo: that's not how you should install the nvidia driver on ubuntu, take a look in the wiki for the binary nvidia howto
[05:19] <nerdy2> magical_trevsky: you might wanna google that
[05:19] <bur[n] er> D2DChat, that's why you have pgup and pgdn keys
[05:19] <toxicle> hello
[05:20] <brenner> bur[n] er: nice quick tute...thanks :)
[05:20] <jo_e> factotum, xmms works for me
[05:20] <toxicle> i just installed ubuntu on my desktop using "server" to boot
[05:20] <bur[n] er> factotum, personally... i use totem for video and rhythmbox for audio
[05:20] <bur[n] er> brenner, :)
[05:20] <toxicle> it tells me the first part is complete and then it will reboot
[05:20] <toxicle> when it did .. i could only login with a normal user
[05:20] <toxicle> how do i continue?
[05:20] <apokryphos> jo_e: xmms is lame ;-)
[05:21] <bur[n] er> oh man, holy war of media players is upon us
[05:21] <apokryphos> xmms is not a media player, really.
[05:21] <jo_e> apokryphos, why is that?
[05:21] <magical_trevsky> nerdy2: thanks for your help
[05:21] <brenner> bur[n] er: how do you close a screen?
[05:21] <bur[n] er> xmms is gtk1 and just unpretty...  fast, but unpretty
[05:21] <bur[n] er> brenner, ^A k
[05:21] <apokryphos> jo_e: why is it lame/ Because it's severely lacking in features, non-compliant for everything, most undeveloped app ever :P, and aesthetically unpleasing. :)
[05:22] <brenner> ta
[05:22] <bur[n] er> brenner, screen -dR to reconnect to a lost screen
[05:22] <No1Viking> I want to see wmv files in my firefox, how can I fix that?
[05:22] <factotum> i guess im a fan of xmms because i used winamp for so many years
[05:22] <bur[n] er> factotum, try beep-media-player?
[05:22] <elTigre> does xorg support 32 bit color depth?
[05:22] <brenner> bur[n] er: how do they get lost? :-/
[05:22] <bur[n] er> winamp is the one application i miss in my linux adventure
[05:22] <IcemanV9> elTigre: yes.
[05:22] <apokryphos> factotum: bad reason to keep using it; expand your horizons :)
[05:22] <elTigre> because debconf only has 24 and under windows my laptop does not support 24
[05:22] <factotum> yeah i have it open right now actually, trying to tell the difference between it and xmms
[05:22] <bur[n] er> brenner, if you close the xterm that's running screen
[05:22] <jo_e> apokryphos, i can deal with ugly.  as factotum said, I used winamp for ages.  non-compliant in what ways?  what features is it missing?
[05:23] <apokryphos> Winamp is the one app I do NOT miss, frankly; there are far superior apps on UNIX.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> brenner, or if you wanna connect to your irssi session that's running via ssh ;)
[05:23] <brenner> bur[n] er: ah, ok
[05:23] <elTigre> I'm giving up -.
[05:23] <bur[n] er> apokryphos, one that burns, rips, has a media library that auto updates, tag editing?
[05:23] <toxicle> can anyone tell me how to continue to the second part of installation ? I used "server" when booting the install
[05:23] <apokryphos> jo_e: if you don't think it's missing features, then you palpably haven't tried out amaroK or JuK. :)
[05:23] <factotum> sorry, didnt mean to start a debate here
[05:23] <IcemanV9> elTigre: limitation of laptop? maybe?
[05:23] <elTigre> I simply don't know how to configure this x thing for my laptop
[05:23] <bur[n] er> amarok is pretty sweet... but qt based
[05:24] <jo_e> apokryphos, what extra do they have (not arguing, just curious)
[05:24] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: media library? For streams on the Internet? I'm talking about audio/mp3 players
[05:24] <elTigre> I dont care about the limitation
[05:24] <apokryphos> not that I wanted to watch porn from the media library...
[05:24] <elTigre> the installation cds autodetect everything and it worked perfectly
[05:24] <bur[n] er> apokryphos, me too... media library so that I can quickly pick a certain artist similar to rb/itunes/winamp
[05:24] <elTigre> but now I don't have the slightest clue
[05:24] <apokryphos> jo_e: a zillion different features. See http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/ for example
[05:25] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: no, I wasn't being sarcastic :). I'm saying the media library with streams etc is useless to me.
[05:25] <elTigre> can I reinstall ubuntu without loosing my files?
[05:25] <bur[n] er> who said anything about streams? ;)
[05:25] <factotum> rhythbox is decent, just with it was a bit more compact
[05:25] <apokryphos> bur[n] er: winamp could perhaps be good with the zillion possible plugins out there,  but as the program itself stands, I thought amaroK would be ten times better for what it does
[05:25] <bur[n] er> elTigre, backup your /home
[05:25] <elTigre> hmm
[05:26] <apokryphos> amaroK has pod support, too :D
[05:26] <jo_e> ooh... full lyrics download... useless ;).  i'm willing to try; does it work with esd?
[05:26] <brenner> toxicle: er, did you want a server install?
[05:26] <elTigre> I don't really want to reinstall... there should be a better way
[05:26] <apokryphos> jo_e: lyrics download are useless? For you maybe...
[05:26] <elTigre> this aint windows after al
[05:27] <brenner> elTigre: check the xorg log for errors or warnings
[05:27] <elTigre> it can't find a screen
[05:27] <elTigre> but that can mean anything
[05:27] <DaDave> hi all
[05:27] <DaDave> i tried to use the desktop sharing (with krfb) but it runs extremly slow even on my 11mbit home network. where can i change the bpp and depth setting sfor krfb?
[05:27] <jo_e> just wondering if it will work with my ESD sound server... I don't want to d/l 28 mb of libs for nothing
[05:28] <apokryphos> jo_e: it has multiple backends. You can use gstreamer with esdsink, yes.
[05:29] <jo_e> apokryphos, thanks
[05:29] <DaDave> noone got an idea with the krfb thing?
[05:30] <brenner> DaDave: read the docs maybe?
[05:30] <D2DChat_> omfg
[05:30] <D2DChat_> lol
[05:30] <toxicle> hello guys :) ... I chose the "server" installation of ubuntu. After installing .. it prompts me to remove the CD and it will continue the second part of installation but i was given the login prompt .. i can only login as normal user .. no root ... so how do I continue? Thanks in advance :)
[05:30] <D2DChat_> i couldnt connect because nickserv still thinks im logged onto D2DChat
[05:30] <D2DChat_> anyway.
[05:30] <apokryphos> toxicle: ubuntu uses sudo
[05:30] <apokryphos> !sudo
[05:30] <ubotu> sudo is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:31] <brenner> D2DChat: didn't work?
[05:31] <D2DChat_> brenner when i did the command, it said that it didn't know what the useflags were
[05:31] <D2DChat_> unknown options
[05:31] <D2DChat_> x
[05:31] <D2DChat_> s
[05:31] <D2DChat_> e
[05:31] <D2DChat_> etc.
[05:31] <toxicle> ok  sudo -s
[05:31] <toxicle> so how do I continue the installation?
[05:31] <apokryphos> D2DChat_: please don't flood the channel needlessly
[05:32] <DaDave> brenner: that was the first thing i did. but the docs are not very helpfull...
[05:32] <jfosa> is there a good .chm viewer for ubuntu?
[05:32] <D2DChat_> apokryphos I wasn't trying to, I was trying to mimic the display
[05:32] <brenner> D2DChat: that's jibberish to me
[05:32] <brenner> D2DChat: what's the exact  command you typed?
[05:32] <paulproteus> toxicle: sudo aptitude install <pkg>
[05:32] <thoreauputic> toxicle: if you did the server install, you are probably there already - no X by default
[05:32] <apokryphos> D2DChat_: if it's many lines you should be using pastebin, or putting it inline, of course. 8)
[05:32] <D2DChat_> it said unknown options x,s,e,r,v,e,r,x,o,r,g
[05:33] <D2DChat_> replace commas with spaces
[05:33] <apokryphos> toxicle: any command you want to run with root perms, just prefix them with "sudo"
[05:33] <brenner> DaDave: maybe ask in #kde or #kubuntu while you wait?
[05:33] <toxicle> there is no root password?
[05:33] <D2DChat_> the exact command was dpkg-reconfigure -xserver -xorg
[05:33] <apokryphos> toxicle: correct
[05:33] <brenner> D2DChat: what's the exact  command you typed?
[05:33] <brenner> D2DChat: wrong
[05:33] <thoreauputic> D2DChat: no
[05:33] <thoreauputic> !xorg
[05:33] <ubotu> well, xorg is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:33] <D2DChat_> and i tried dpkg-reconfigure -xserver-xorg too
[05:33] <toxicle> thoreuputic: so I'm done?
[05:33] <toxicle> how do i search for packages?
[05:34] <thoreauputic> D2DChat: you put spaces where they don't belong
[05:34] <apokryphos> toxicle: apt-cache search {packagename}
[05:34] <brenner> damn ... didn't know there was a trigger. :)
[05:34] <brenner> D2DChat: that's still wrong :)
[05:34] <toxicle> ok thanks a lot :)
[05:34] <D2DChat_> brenner ok, whats right?:(
[05:35] <toxicle> is there a website i can browse what packages are available?
[05:35] <D2DChat_> ubotu I tried that
[05:35] <ubotu> D2DChat_: No idea
[05:35] <apokryphos> toxicle: yes, packages.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <brenner> D2DChat: everythign 'cept the '-' sign before xserver
[05:35] <thoreauputic> D2DChat: ubotu is a bot
[05:35] <D2DChat_> "Unable to initiate frontend"
[05:35] <toxicle> thank you "_)
[05:35] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  <-------
[05:35] <D2DChat_> brenner so
[05:36] <brenner> D2DChat: type what thoreauputic just posted. exactly
[05:36] <D2DChat_> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[05:36] <apokryphos> that's it
[05:36] <thoreauputic> right
[05:36] <D2DChat_> o ok
[05:36] <rbirkby> What is the command line equiv to synaptic?
[05:36] <brenner> with a sudo
[05:36] <matthew_w> Hey - I can't manage to get XMMS or BEEP to work properly... it just won't open unless I run it as root, and I can't possibly play MP3's ... any ideas why?\
[05:36] <apokryphos> rbirkby: apt-get?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: aptitude or apt-get
[05:36] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell matthew_w about mp3
[05:36] <brenner> matthew_w: change the ouput plugin to esound
[05:36] <rbirkby> apt-get doesn't seem to do all the dependancy management automaticall
[05:36] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: yes it does
[05:37] <rbirkby> I'm using apt-get install - is there something else I should do?
[05:37] <apokryphos> rbirkby: it does
[05:37] <matthew_w> apokryphos; already installed G-streamer and it's ilk from synaptic.
[05:37] <matthew_w> brenner; I'll try
[05:37] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: first run sudo apt-get update
[05:37] <rbirkby> Done that
[05:37] <apokryphos> rbirkby: as in, it should resolve all dependencies for you. What are you having a problem with?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: what are you installing?
[05:37] <BollocksMacenzie> I'm back baby!
[05:38] <brenner> apokryphos, thoreauputic double-teaming? not fair!
[05:38] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I'm trying to install aptitude... apt-get install aptitude. Unmet dependancies are libsigc++....
[05:38] <matthew_w> brenner; couldn't open audio
[05:38] <apokryphos> rbirkby: ah, that's a known issue actually
[05:38] <matthew_w> brenner; at least this time it didn't hang.
[05:38] <apokryphos> manually installig aptitude doesn't work; I have a possible fix, I think.
[05:38] <brenner> matthew_w: when do you get that message?
[05:39] <matthew_w> brenner; after I press play - on an mp3, it pops up.
[05:39] <thoreauputic> erm - aptitude is installed by default
[05:39] <brenner> matthew_w: xmms or bmp?
[05:39] <matthew_w> brenner; bmp
[05:39] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I just wanted to use something a bit better than apt-get to install packages - you see X has been broken for a month, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to get it fixed for a long time
[05:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: correct, but manually installing it produces problems (for some reason or other)
[05:39] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: if you haven't done default install, that is.
[05:39] <brenner> matthew_w: er, try the alsa plugin
[05:39] <matthew_w> brenner; k
[05:39] <jfosa> what does: configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check   :  mean and how do I fix it?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: hmm - OK
[05:39] <apokryphos> rbirkby: you're on breezy? Have you tried fixing your X?
[05:40] <apokryphos> vices: install ubild-essential
[05:40] <apokryphos> *build-essential
[05:40] <brenner> jfosa: probably need to install build-essential to get the compiling goodness
[05:40] <matthew_w> brenner; same error
[05:40] <brenner> apokryphos: who the heck is vices? :)
[05:40] <rbirkby> thoreauputic, aptitude may be installed by default, but back when I upgraded to hoary from warty, a ton of default packages got removed. It was an arduous task to guess packages to add back in again
[05:40] <chimo> how do i mount my windows drive in ubuntu?
[05:40] <rbirkby> thoreauputic, I suspect aptitude was one of those
[05:40] <matthew_w> brenner; I can run sounds from Ubuntu, like the startup and the annoying bongos, but strictly sound programs won't run
[05:40] <vices> oh thanks :)
[05:40] <apokryphos> brenner: changed name.
[05:41] <brenner> matthew_w: rhythmbox?
[05:41] <bigmouth000> hey, anyone have a clue about making terminal screens transparent  ?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> rbirkby: I see - probably you lacked ubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <swoke> hello
[05:41] <swoke> does anyone got trouble to install breezy on a laptop with HAL package ? is it a know bug ? do I need to wait for a few ?
[05:41] <brenner> apokryphos: ah ... i filter nick changes ... sorry :)
[05:41] <matthew_w> brenner; nope.
[05:41] <rbirkby> thoreauputic, that rings a bell
[05:41] <brenner> matthew_w: no sound?
[05:41] <matthew_w> brenner; yeah, I have sound.
[05:41] <brenner> matthew_w: so rhythmbox works fine?
[05:41] <apokryphos> rbirkby: so what's wrong with your X?
[05:41] <chimo> how do i mount my windows drive in ubuntu?
[05:42] <rbirkby> apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1769
[05:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell chimo about windowsdrives
[05:42] <brenner> bigmouth000: it's in preferences
[05:42] <brenner> bigmouth000: gnome-terminal at least
[05:42] <rbirkby> apokryphos, that may be a bit confusing
[05:42] <matthew_w> brenner; ... you mean the program called "music player" ?... when I try to open Mp3's it does some wongy stuff. lol
[05:42] <bigmouth000> brenner, thanks .. will check
[05:42] <thoreauputic> matthew_w: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:42] <brenner> matthew_w: yes ... multiple naming ...
[05:42] <rbirkby> apokryphos, basically I get no window manager, in fact no nothing. No terminal or menus or anything when I log on. All I can do is change screen by alt-ctrl-F1
[05:43] <apokryphos> rbirkby: no login manager?
[05:43] <hawking> why was java removed from repositories?
[05:43] <vices> apokryphos do you know where I can get the zlib?
[05:43] <BollocksMacenzie> What command do I need to change nick in a channel.
[05:43] <apokryphos> rbirkby: you're on hoary, right?
[05:43] <rbirkby> apokryphos, and since the problem in pastebin is a sticking point with apt, then I'm trying to solve that hoping it will get me a working X eventually
[05:43] <matthew_w> brenner; ok rythymbox plays Mp3's.
[05:43] <koneng> I edited my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and messed it up and so I need to fix it, but I don't remember what I had before i changed it. I found a xorg.conf~ file in the same directory so i tried using that instead and it still didnt work. How can i repair this?
[05:43] <rbirkby> apokryphos, breezy
[05:43] <matthew_w> brenner; so what the heck is wrong with bmp?
[05:43] <vices> bollocksmacenzie /nick <nick>
[05:43] <apokryphos> vices: it's in main, isn't it?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> BollocksMacenzie:  /nick
[05:43] <hawking> ubotu , tell thespiritoftal about java
[05:43] <apokryphos> vices: zlib1g-dev you probably want
[05:43] <vices> apokryphos sorry i'm a bit of a linux newbie, what's main?
[05:43] <vices> apokryphos thanks
[05:43] <rbirkby> apokryphos, I see the login screen. I sucessfully login, but then I just get a blank brown desktop with nothing at all
[05:43] <apokryphos> !info zlib1g-dev
[05:44] <ubotu> zlib1g-dev: (compression library - development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.2-4ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 472 kB, Installed size: 644 kB
[05:44] <brenner> matthew_w: dunno .... my guess of the output plugin seems to be wrong...you still running it as root?
[05:44] <hawking> ubotu , tell  hawking about java