[05:57] <nothlit> well choose the default and take restart and see if it worked or try xipietotec 's guide
[05:57] <kmaynard> the only good 64 bit desktop is os x :)
[05:58] <roverr> levander: i run a bunch of very high usage, big ram servers, 32 bit is ok
[05:58] <levander> i'm just getting a 64 bit CPU in the mail tomorrow, was wondering if i should try it
[05:58] <GirlRiver> can anyone tell me if I can 'mask" my flash player so web pages think it is v8 & stop telling me to upgrade
[05:58] <B|nTaRa> !install
[05:58] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[05:58] <levander> roverr: i do server side web development (not HTML/Javascript but Ruby on Rails and Java stuff)
[05:58] <xipietotec> Feisty will hopefully make ubuntu BiArch compatible and thus make 64bit ubuntu more useable as a desktop program
[05:58] <xipietotec> err...OS
[05:58] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: download the latest fash beta 9
[05:58] <roverr> levander: cool
[05:58] <levander> Does 64 bit OS's take more RAM?
[05:58] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: it is soooo much nicer
[05:59] <xipietotec> levander: no.
[05:59] <levander> roverr: would 64 bits help doing server side devel?
[05:59] <xipietotec> it takes a 64 bit processor
[05:59] <gevaudan> levander: for development? not at all
[05:59] <levander> roverr: how does 64 bit help big web servers?
[05:59] <AqD> more RAM
[05:59] <GirlRiver> knitch87: thx ... can you give me a link please ?
[05:59] <philip> ianmacgregor: i always get "is available from another installation source" :(
[05:59] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: hang on a sec...
[05:59] <xipietotec> by allowing 64 bit execution...e.g. it's faster if you run 64 bit applications
[05:59] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: thx
[06:00] <kmaynard> google flash 9 linux download
[06:00] <chevin> !w32codecs
[06:00] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:00] <kmaynard> !flash
[06:00] <xipietotec> you want flash 9 or w32codecs?
[06:00] <xipietotec> !seveas
[06:00] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:00] <AqD> xipietotec: only a few parts are faster
[06:00] <AqD> since most operations still use integer, not 64bit long
[06:00] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: try this: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[06:00] <roverr> levander: not in the usual case.  i've got 32bit os on big 4x xeon's with 16G's of ram and punching tons of data down the wire.  64bit ain't quite cooked yet in general.  special cases yeah.  you probably don't fit into to those though.
[06:00] <xipietotec> AqD: correct
[06:01] <xipietotec> it's just like dual threading is faster...but most people don't write dual thread apps
[06:01] <B|nTaRa> my ubuntu liveCD hang on startup (just showed Gnome Splash Screen)
[06:01] <levander> roverr: okay, cool, thanks
[06:01] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: you want the installer for linux
[06:01] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: excellent .. thank you .. any special tips for downloading it or is it pretty straightforward?
[06:01] <wheelswitch> does 'telnet ftp.freepgs.com 21' work for anyone?
[06:01] <gevaudan> levander: unless you are supporting mostly 64 bit apps stick with 32 bit...you'll quickly run into issues where you have to eitehr compile from source or take a few extra steps in order to get existing howto guides to work for you
[06:01] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: pretty straight foward.
[06:02] <kmaynard> download it, put the .so file in .mozilla/plugins
[06:02] <B|nTaRa> im using this iso : ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[06:02] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: anything I need to know to run the installer on ubuntu ?
[06:02] <nothlit> levander, i think you'll have issues with the flash binary as well if you use 64 bit
[06:02] <Xaphoo> how do I change the sound driver that is specified by "sounddriver default" in some config files?
[06:02] <regeya> emacs is frickin huge.  also I would expect 'make' to take longer than 'make boostrap'
[06:02] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: put the .so file in your firefox plugins directory
[06:03] <nothlit> GirlRiver, just make the install script executable and run it in console, you don't even need root privileges
[06:03] <Icarus> thanks xipietotec , nothlit
[06:03] <Icarus> works now
[06:03] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: plugins directory is in .mozilla/ i think
[06:03] <Icarus> is there anyway to make terminal always on top?
[06:03] <nothlit> Icarus, right click the titlebar and select always on top
[06:03] <Icarus> i dont see the option
[06:04] <ianmacgregor> Icarus: Right-click the titlebar, there's an option in that menu
[06:04] <GirlRiver> nothlit:: I am a newb ... how do i make it executable ?
[06:04] <Halpo> is there a program that will read all wireless networks that are broadcast there SSID?
[06:04] <regeya> oh dear.  gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[06:04] <regeya> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/main Packages
[06:04] <gevaudan> GirlRiver: sudo chmod +x filename
[06:04] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: chmod +x filename
[06:04] <Icarus> lol
[06:04] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: yes, it works
[06:04] <Icarus> thanks
[06:04] <kmaynard> GirlRiver, there's a readme included with flash 9...it tells you what to do too
[06:04] <GirlRiver> thank you x1000
[06:04] <xipietotec> Halpo: sudo iwlist wlanX/ethX scan
[06:04] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  thanks, if any one wants to help with why that doesnt work for me let me know...
[06:04] <ztg> anyone good with advanced file permissions?
[06:04] <wheelswitch> other ftp sites work
[06:05] <gevaudan> GirlRiver: btw, after chmodding it to run it type ./filename
[06:05] <philip> so no hint for me why mplayer has no installation candidate despite having enabled multiverse?
[06:05] <ixian_> anyone try easyubuntu on 6.10? does it work?
[06:05] <wheelswitch> port is fowarded correctly on my router
[06:05] <ianmacgregor> ztg: I can try
[06:05] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: what exactly is not working? you do know it's an ftp server, right?
[06:05] <gevaudan> ztg: did 770 not work for you? the 77 gives the owner and world rwx permissions and the 0 gives others no permissions
[06:05] <xipietotec> philip: Did you run sudo aptitude update?
[06:05] <philip> apt-get update
[06:06] <xipietotec> it didn't give you an error?
[06:06] <philip> nope
[06:06] <nothlit> Can someone tell me what the big deal about people hating the sudo in ubuntu? sudo -i is pretty similar, unless they like having a different profile as well.
[06:06] <B|nTaRa> my ubuntu liveCD hang on startup (just showed Gnome Splash Screen)
[06:06] <philip> just some key error for another repos
[06:06] <B|nTaRa> im using this iso : ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[06:06] <gevaudan> nothlit: it's fine...besides if you want root sudo passwd root
[06:06] <xipietotec> philip: but no "malformed line at X" ?
[06:06] <ztg> I'm trying to set up a webserver to have permissions that the normal ftp user acct has rw perms, a developer account has rw, and other users don't have any perms
[06:06] <kmitch87> nothlit: some people just like having a seperate root account.
[06:07] <ianmacgregor> gevaudan: Setting a root password is not supported and is a bad idea. Please don't encourage people to do that.
[06:07] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  yeah, i know it is an ftp server, and it was working untill a couple of nights ago
[06:07] <nothlit> B|nTaRa, did your old cd work? have you verified you downloaded it correctly and used md5 checking on it?
[06:07] <roverr> ztg: if the webserver isn't doesn't run as the user or the group it won't be able to read those files
[06:07] <B|nTaRa> nothlit : yes
[06:07] <philip> xipietotec: it was my fault, sorry
[06:07] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: well what's not working now then?
[06:07] <xipietotec> no problem =)
[06:07] <philip> i mixed up backports multiverse with multiverse
[06:07] <philip> but thanks for caring
[06:07] <wheelswitch> i can not log into the ftp server
[06:07] <nothlit> B|nTaRa, you could always use the compatibility mode to install or the alternate cd
[06:07] <wheelswitch> it just times out all the time, mister_roboto
[06:08] <gevaudan> ianmacgregor: typing sudo before each and every iptables rules gets old really fast...it's a tradeoff of convenience and security
[06:08] <xipietotec> I like to help with what I can =)
[06:08] <dfcarney> gevaudan: just use 'sudo su -' to switch to a full-time root console
[06:08] <nothlit> gevaudan, but if you type sudo -i you can run all your commands without the sudo prefix
[06:08] <ianmacgregor> gevaudan: Understood, but sudo is the way of Ubuntu. Besides it makes the computer more secure.
[06:08] <nothlit> or that ^
[06:09] <ixian_> anyone try easyubuntu on 6.10? does it work?
[06:09] <gevaudan> all: didn't know about the sudo -i switch...good to know
[06:09] <wastrel> <3 sudo -i
[06:09] <ztg> roverr I'm just trying to avoid logging in as root to do maintenance on accounts
[06:09] <wheelswitch> is there any way i can trace where the connection is getting stopped?
[06:09] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: sorry, i don't have an account there so i can't actually try anything. the banner message warns about a 15 minute idle timeout but i'm guessing that's not what you're talking about
[06:10] <roverr> ztg: look at the apache (i assume) config, maybe you can use the public_html hack
[06:10] <nothlit> wheelswitch, you could try a ping/routing utility
[06:10] <dfcarney> wheelswitch: like traceroute?
[06:10] <Specialbuddy> are we ever going to be able to watch .wmv in firefox?
[06:10] <xipietotec> I'd like to know a way to uninstall kubuntu-artwork-usplash from usplash.so without uninstalling kubuntu-artwork-usplash from my actual computer
[06:10] <wheelswitch> dfcarney, ill have a look at that
[06:10] <mister_roboto> nothlit: obviously he has a route to the machine and can  ping it if he's connecting to it
[06:10] <gevaudan> wheelswitch: not sure what you are trying to do but if you want to see when the connection gets dropped type netstat -an
[06:11] <nothlit> Specialbuddy, have you tried the vlc firefox plugin?
[06:11] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: i didn't see the entire conversation -- just tuned in.
[06:11] <gevaudan> wheelswitch:  append | grep 'whatever' if you are looking for a specific service
[06:11] <compudaze> xipietotec: do you want to change the splash or disable it?
[06:11] <ztg> public_html hack? I'm already using /home/user/public_html as the document root
[06:11] <Specialbuddy> yeah
[06:11] <xipietotec> sudo update-alternatives --remove /usr/lib/usplash/usplash-artwork.so usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/kubuntu-artwork-usplash.so 60 maybe?
[06:11] <Specialbuddy> it didn't work
[06:11] <Gambitt> Hi folks, I've never used any type of linux/unix before and was hoping to find a version that I could boot from a cd/dvd without having to install anything (hopefully keep from, messing anything up permanently that way) any suggestions?
[06:11] <nothlit> Specialbuddy,  you can try the mplayer plugin and the other one as well
[06:11] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  i can not connect to it
[06:11] <gevaudan> Gambitt: knoppix in my opinion is the most full featured livecd
[06:11] <wheelswitch> ill pm you an account details
[06:11] <kmitch87> Gambitt: a live cd is the best choice
[06:12] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: oh, sorry!  misunderstanding
[06:12] <ixian_> knoppix is a good livecd
[06:12] <xipietotec> compudaze: disable it
[06:12] <Specialbuddy> do I have to download mplayer from somewhere other then synaptic?
[06:12] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: so the connect is timing out?
[06:12] <ixian_> comes with a lot of stuff
[06:12] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: no
[06:12] <xipietotec> so that usplash.so doesn't even see it as being there
[06:12] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  yes, it is timing out
[06:12] <wheelswitch> it makes gftp hang
[06:12] <Specialbuddy> it's on apt?
[06:12] <compudaze> xipietotec: look in /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove 'splash' from your kernel line
[06:12] <wheelswitch> and ftp / lftp from the command line doesnt get any where
[06:12] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: can you ping it?
[06:12] <Gambitt> thanks gevaudan kmitch87 ixian_
[06:13] <vermyndax> anyone around that can help with a server mail questioN/
[06:13] <vermyndax> ?
[06:13] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: if i were you i would stay clear from the mplayer plugin...sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't...instead download the mediaconnectivity plugin for firefox which allows you to open a GUI instance of mplayer for all your media files...works without a kick
[06:13] <nothlit> Specialbuddy, all three firefox media plugins are in the ubuntu apt repositories
[06:13] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  yeah, pings fine
[06:13] <wheelswitch> is there a way to ping on port 21?
[06:13] <xipietotec> compudaze: nono, I want to disable kubuntu-artwork-usplash, not usplash itself
[06:13] <xipietotec> I have another usplash installed, but usplash.so is buggy, so it's overwriting the text in verbose mode with kubuntu's color scheme
[06:13] <xipietotec> despite the fact that it's correctly showing the new splash
[06:13] <Specialbuddy> thank you for the help
[06:13] <dfcarney> wheelswitch: tcpdump may be your best bet.  at least you can monitor the traffic to see what's going on...but before doing that, just try telnetting to port 21 on the remote machine
[06:13] <gevaudan> wheelswitch: assuming the site you are pinging hasn't disabled icmp of course
[06:13] <compudaze> xipietotec: u want to change it?
[06:14] <compudaze> xipietotec: to another splash?
[06:14] <wheelswitch> dfcarney, telneting doesnt work, times out
[06:14] <dfcarney> wheelswitch: well, it would see that the site is probably down
[06:14] <xipietotec> compudaze: no...I have allready changed it, to a custom splash, however, the kubuntu settings on the text in verbose mode will not change
[06:14] <gevaudan> wheelswitch: do an sudo nmap -sS site to see if port 21 is even open
[06:14] <roverr> ztg: could be i don't understand.  can you be more verbose?
[06:14] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: it's not
[06:14] <w00> having trouble getting the java plugin into the file so i can install
[06:14] <xipietotec> no matter what usplash I change it to
[06:14] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: i can connect to it
[06:14] <Lam_> $sudo apt-get install firefox ... what version is it?
[06:14] <xipietotec> kubuntu usplash has overridden all text color options
[06:15] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: ah, sorry that i missed your comment about that.
[06:15] <kmitch87> Lam_: what are you trying to do?
[06:15] <vermyndax> anyone who can help with postfix/amavis: I have a quarantine user set up with an account... for some reason though, the mail goes to /var/mail/<user> instead of the homedir/MailDir of that user
[06:15] <compudaze> did u regen the initrd
[06:15] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: have downloaded Beta 9 flash and there is only an . so & readme, there is no install script to make executable
[06:15] <Lam_> kmitch87: i plan to install firefox to replace konqueror, but i don't know if the repositories have version 2.0 yet
[06:15] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: maybe he is not routing to it?
[06:15] <xipietotec> compudaze: Yes, that's why I have a new usplash graphic at all
[06:15] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: no... he can ping it
[06:15] <kmitch87> Lam_: edgy already has 2.0
[06:15] <xipietotec> I want to remove kubuntu usplash from usplash.so
[06:16] <xipietotec> that's going to be the only way to get it to go away
[06:16] <Lam_> kmitch87: ok that's what i wanted to know. thanks
[06:16] <Specialbuddy> gevaudan, what plugin should I get
[06:16] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: so he can ping it, but not telnet to port 21?
[06:16] <compudaze> if you updated the alternative
[06:16] <compudaze> that should be it
[06:16] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: the .so file goes in your firefox plugin directory
[06:16] <wheelswitch> dfcarney:  that is correct
[06:16] <compudaze> duno sorry
[06:16] <xipietotec> compudaze: And it isn't =) like I said.
[06:16] <gevaudan> vermyndax: do a search for firefox mediaplayerconnectivity
[06:16] <dfcarney> wheelswitch: and you can FTP to other servers?
[06:16] <wheelswitch> <IP_ADDRESS> is that the ip it is connecting to for you mister_roboto ?
[06:16] <vermyndax> gevaudan: I would but... I'm looking for help with postfix/amavis ;)
[06:16] <wheelswitch> dfcarney:  yeah
[06:17] <compudaze> i never had any trouble changing it
[06:17] <ztg> i have user accounts that server sites from /home/user/public_html, and I want a developer account to be able to rw to those directories as well, but I do not want users to be able to view the contents of home dirs that they don't own
[06:17] <xipietotec> it doesn't help that I get an error from initramfs
[06:17] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: yes, that's it
[06:17] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: should I uninstall Flash 7 first ?
[06:17] <l337f00l> can anyone help me with installing an older version of Lame
[06:17] <mitrovarr> what's the best file system for a large drive that needs to be accessed by both linux and windows?
[06:17] <wheelswitch> and i could ftp into this site untill a couple of nights ago
[06:17] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: any chance they filtered you out at the firewall for being a bad boy or something?  it's a private server :)
[06:17] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: yes
[06:17] <gevaudan> vermyndax: are you using kubuntu? i had this problem but for the life of me i can't remember what i did to get it sorted out...i remember i downloaded mutt to verify system mails were coming in and then...well ic an't remember :(
[06:17] <xipietotec> mitrovarr: windows has a separate downloadable package that can make it read ext3
[06:17] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: how ?
[06:17] <nothlit> Specialbuddy, there is mozilla-plugin-vlc mozilla-mplayer and totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin but only try one at a time and remove the old one first
[06:18] <rawrness> I am afriad i shall leave gnome for i have goten beryl to work beter in kde
[06:18] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  i am a paying user...
[06:18] <dfcarney> wheelswitch: i seriously doubt that it's a MAC address problem, but it has similary symptoms
[06:18] <sethk> mitrovarr, ext2/3.  Windows drivers are available.  If you don't want to change windows, then fat32 is better because it can be written by both windows and linux
[06:18] <rawrness> So Farewell and Goodbye for all the fish
[06:18] <dfcarney> *similar
[06:18] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: again if i were you stay away from the firefox plugins for right now...the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin for firefox is awesome
[06:18] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: maybe they lost your last payment?
[06:18] <nothlit> Specialbuddy, i think you'll need w32codecs if you try to use the gstreamer plugin
[06:18] <vermyndax> gevaudan: well, it seems to be a cross between forwarding mails to an internal server vs. capturing
[06:18] <mitrovarr> xipietotec:  I know, I used to have it on my old computer.  Would getting that and using it work better than FAT32?  FAT32 has issues with large drives, and linux doesn't like running programs off of it.
[06:18] <roverr> ztg: and how do users access the site to upload content?  ftp into their homedir?
[06:18] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  it is a one time payment
[06:18] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-nonfree
[06:18] <wheelswitch> site is still up
[06:18] <wheelswitch> and i can access it with online ftp clients etc
[06:18] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: thanks
[06:18] <xipietotec> mitrovarr: yes, ext3 is a much superior filesystem
[06:19] <Specialbuddy> gevaudan, do I get it online because I didn't find it on synaptic
[06:19] <xipietotec> it also never needs defragging
[06:19] <ztg> yes, they all have unique accounts
[06:19] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: search in google and install it that way..it's not in synaptec
[06:19] <wheelswitch> just not from my home machine, linux nor windows
[06:19] <Specialbuddy> oko
[06:19] <roverr> ztg: if you setup your ftp properly a user logging in as themself will only see their own home dir
[06:19] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: sorry, don't know. i've seen this kind of thing when the initial packet of the handshake was just dropped by the firewall
[06:19] <mitrovarr> xipietotec:  Thanks for the help, that was exactly what I was wondering.
[06:19] <slop|lap> question : what command shows what distro i am running?
[06:19] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: after flash 7 is gone, the new .so file goes in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins.  You will need to mv it as root.
[06:20] <mitrovarr> sethk:  thanks as well, I was planning on installing the ext3fs plugin anyway, so that should work fine
[06:20] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: but if you're a customer, definitely contact someone and complain :)
[06:20] <navaburo> kmitch87, what are you talking about
[06:20] <vermyndax> hmm looks like I fixed it
[06:20] <vermyndax> it was a procmail issue
[06:20] <navaburo> ook, flash
[06:20] <ztg> i'm using sftp using rssh
[06:20] <nothlit> kmitch87, the adobe script will do it as well
[06:20] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  ok, thanks alot for your time, appreciate it.
[06:20] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: i can't think of anything, unless some router (or remote site) is filtering based off of MAC address
[06:20] <navaburo> i cant seem to get mozilla-mplayer working
[06:20] <navaburo> do i have to move a .so or something?
[06:20] <gevaudan> vermyndax: i want to say i deleted the home directories which are not being picked up by you pop3/imap daemon if that makes sense and then upon restarting postfix it defaulted to the right directory: /home/username/Mail
[06:21] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: have you tried connecting from a different computer?
[06:21] <gevaudan> navaburo: don't...use the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin for firefox...google it
[06:21] <GirlRiver> kmitch87: is there a way to run Ubuntu File Mgr as sudo or root ? (i'm a newb and need a gui)
[06:21] <dfcarney> wheelswitch: and, for kicks, try changing your MAC address.  i've seen that work for similar problems in the past.
[06:21] <gevaudan> kmitch87: yes, just type gksu before launching
[06:21] <nothlit> GirlRiver, you don't have to run it as root, you can put it in your ~/.mozilla/plugins folder
[06:22] <timfrost> wheelswitch: try tcptraceroute to the server.  Note that tcptraceroute is in Universe.
[06:22] <vermyndax> gevaudan: check /etc/postfix/main.cf
[06:22] <navaburo> gevaudan, WOW, thanks
[06:22] <vermyndax> gevaudan: it should say in there what dir is the default MailDir
[06:22] <kmitch87> GirlRiver: run sudo mv file.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[06:22] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  yes, i have tried from the windows box upstairs, same router + connection, but it does not work
[06:22] <nothlit> GirlRiver, gksudo nautilus is the command to run the filemanager as root
[06:22] <dustin> hey how do i submit an error report?
[06:22] <vermyndax> gotta run
[06:22] <ixian_> has anyone tried easyubuntu on 6.10? does it work?
[06:22] <l337f00l> can anyone help me with installing an older version of Lame specifically Lame-3.90
[06:23] <Zer0Ry0k0> Is it easyer to run programs built for old windows or mac?
[06:23] <gevaudan> verymyndax: i agree, but i remember not changing that anywhere and leaving it as the default when i was running postfix on kubuntu...after deleting the directory, restarting postfix all was well...on ubuntu everything works outside of the box
[06:23] <roverr> ztg: sp then how does one user get access to another users files?  do you have a testcase that shoes it?
[06:23] <rbil> wheelswitch: why don't u give us the ftp addresses (without login of course) and let one of us try connecting?
[06:23] <mnepton> ixian_: EasyUbuntu and Automatix should be avoided on any release.
[06:23] <wheelswitch> rbil i have
[06:23] <wheelswitch> ftp.freepgs.com
[06:23] <Specialbuddy> so the mediaplayerconnectivity is a browser plugin
[06:23] <Specialbuddy> I hope it works
[06:24] <mister_roboto> rbil: works fine for me
[06:24] <mjbjr> I have a friend on the line and the dsl net connection has stopped working... modem lights are blinking (properly ?)... ifconfig shows eth0 is up... ping shows "host unreachable"... assuming verizon problem... some other thing to check before getting on the horn to verizon
[06:24] <mjbjr> ?
[06:24] <babo> how do I associate callto with skype in firefox ?
[06:24] <Zer0Ry0k0> What version of old software would be easier to run, windows or mac?
[06:24] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: it's kind of hard to explain but it works perfect for all media
[06:24] <roverr> ztg: if you have a problem i think you should solve it with your user access control to up and downloads.  not with fs and apache perms
[06:24] <dfcarney> mjbjr: have them cycle the interface, just in case:  "sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0"
[06:25] <mjbjr> thanks
[06:25] <Specialbuddy> do I have to download something else to view wmv
[06:25] <nothlit> Zer0Ry0k0, on ubuntu?
[06:25] <timfrost> wheelswitch: I can get to port 21 on ftp.freepgs.com, so the FTP server is running.  try tcptraceroute ftp.freepgs.com 21, to see where your blockage is.
[06:25] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: w32codecs if you haven't already
[06:25] <wheelswitch> timfrost:  ok, here goes...
[06:25] <Zer0Ry0k0> yes, on ubuntu
[06:25] <Specialbuddy> what player should I use for viewign
[06:25] <Zer0Ry0k0> I have WINE installed allready
[06:26] <ianmacgregor> Specialbuddy: Some WMV's will be unusable no matter what you do.
[06:26] <Zer0Ry0k0> is there a mac emulator or something I would need?
[06:26] <ztg> any good acl tutorials you know of?
[06:26] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: the PLF repository which allowed you to download using synaptec is down and no longer maintained :( it took me forever to find a debian package to do the same but it's out there
[06:26] <mister_roboto> mjbjr: i've seen that exact same problem on my cable modem when they were having a problem at my isp. usually recovers after  10 minutes or so. i always figured they had to reboot a router or something :)
[06:26] <mjbjr> been a day so far
[06:27] <Specialbuddy> I'm just trying to watch the fix on adultswim
[06:27] <xipietotec> gevaudan, Specialbuddy see Seveas' packages
[06:27] <gevaudan> Specialbuddy: my recommendation is to download vlc, realplayer, and xmms and use those in conjunction with the mediaplayerconnectivity plugin
[06:27] <xipietotec> !seveas
[06:27] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:27] <firebird619> I'm the kubuntu-desktop package on Ubuntu Edgy. It has been stuck on Configuring kubuntu-docs. The PC is locked up except for moving the mouse. What is the best thing to do with it, restart?
[06:27] <roverr> ztg: i'd start with the apache docs, then make the content mgmt system enforce the user up/downloads possibly in conjunction with fs perms
[06:27] <zMott> I need to get libdvdread3 and libdvdcss anyone ?
[06:27] <dfcarney> timfrost: have you tried that command?  i'm trying it and all I'm getting is "* * *"
[06:27] <firebird619> *I'm installing the kubuntu-desktop package
[06:27] <gevaudan> xipietotec: noted, i'll keep this in mind next time i upgrade, thanks
[06:27] <nothlit> Zer0Ry0k0, i don't know of any mac emulation programs but you can emulate the whole os with xen or vmplayer or qemu
[06:28] <babo> how do I associate callto with skype in firefox ?
[06:28] <xipietotec> zMott: !seveas
[06:28] <zMott> ?
[06:28] <xipietotec> !sevease
[06:28] <xipietotec> !seveas
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sevease - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <roverr> ztg: personally i like cvs over ssh for content mgmt but that might be overkill for you
[06:28] <zMott> what is the u.deb
[06:28] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[06:28] <Zer0Ry0k0> nothlit: but would that be easy? and use less proscessor than WINE?
[06:28] <zMott> cool
[06:28] <zMott> because it looks like freecontrib is dead
[06:28] <nothlit> firebird619, you've been installing kubuntu INSIDE your X server ? (graphical interface)
[06:29] <nothlit> Zer0Ry0k0, definitely not
[06:29] <Zer0Ry0k0> nothlit: okay    =)
[06:29] <xipietotec> zMott: the ubuntu steam of PLF is gone until someone else takes up maintaining it
[06:29] <ztg> it's more of a traditional isp service
[06:29] <ztg> thanks for your help roverr
[06:29] <Specialbuddy> how about svideo
[06:29] <timfrost> dfcarney: yes.  For me , it takes 21 hops to the server.
[06:29] <gevaudan> i wonder how much maintenance it really requires...hell there were only like 12 packages inside it
[06:29] <roverr> later ztg
[06:29] <Specialbuddy> is there a way to do that with ubuntu?
[06:29] <zMott> k, then I will use seveas .deb
[06:29] <firebird619> nothlit: yes. It is so far into the install but it is locked up. I hate to lose all what its done, but I think thats the only option.
[06:29] <nothlit> firebird619, you could try ctrl+alt+f1 and login and type top and see if anything is actually going on
[06:29] <dfcarney> timfrost: do any addresses resolve for you, or is it just "* * *" ?
[06:30] <ianmacgregor> gevaudan: Do you know how to make proper Ubuntu packages?
[06:30] <Xzyx987X> ungh, this is driving me nuts. could someone please explain how to set up an entry in fstab to automatically mount a drive with read/write permissions for all users?
[06:30] <wheelswitch> timfrost:  mister_roboto: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29502/
[06:30] <navaburo> gevaudan, do you know if MediaPlayerConnectivity can save the streams to a file?
[06:30] <cheaman> IM having problems copying a file into floppy I get this error..   cp: cannot create regular file `/media/floppy/cms.txt': Read-only file system
[06:30] <cheaman>
[06:30] <gevaudan> ianmacgregor: ubuntu packages? i know how to make debian packages but no ubuntu packages
[06:30] <nothlit> firebird619, whenever you try something ambitious with installations, use a virtual console (ctrl+alt+F1-4) or do it inside screen
[06:30] <gevaudan> navaburo: not sure
[06:31] <firebird619> nothlit: It doesn't do anything with ctrl+alt+F1.
[06:31] <nothlit> firebird619, but the mouse can move?
[06:31] <firebird619> nothlit: yes.
[06:31] <cheaman> IM having problems copying a file into floppy I get this error..   cp: cannot create regular file `/media/floppy/cms.txt': Read-only file system
[06:31] <ianmacgregor> Xzyx987X: This is the fstab line I use for my 2nd hd:
[06:31] <ianmacgregor> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       2
[06:31] <nothlit> firebird619, thats incredibly odd, i wouldn't know how to help you, you could leave it alone or ask someone who knows more
[06:32] <nothlit> firebird619, leave it alone (to see if it will complete) *
[06:32] <timfrost> dfcarney: yes, all the intervening addresses resolved.  See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29503/
[06:32] <gevaudan> cheaman: try something like:  /dev/           /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[06:32] <nothlit> firebird619, have you set up ssh?
[06:32] <dfcarney> timfrost: thanks.  i'm curious to know why they don't resolve for me...
[06:33] <firebird619> nothlit: I used Synaptic and it shows in the terminal the last thing as being Setting up librsync1 (0.9.7-1)
[06:33] <cheaman> gevaudan: ???????????
[06:33] <gevaudan> cheaman: it goes in /etc/fstab
[06:33] <Ashley`> When I try to Wine applications, the wine-pthread process goes into an uninterruptible sleep for all eternity. I think it's something to do with my sound hardware because winecfg will run until I click the "audio" tab. What should my next course of action be?
[06:33] <cheaman> gevaudan: what does?
[06:33] <Xzyx987X> ianmacgregor: well, it's an ntfs drive, which complicates things a bit
[06:33] <gevaudan> cheaman: what i posted
[06:33] <cheaman> ok?
[06:33] <firebird619> nothlit: I don't believe so, how do I know?
[06:33] <gevaudan> cheaman: ok
[06:33] <cheaman> how i put it in there?
[06:33] <Xzyx987X> here's what I had: /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 auto user,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[06:33] <nothlit> firebird619, have you installed ssh? if you have you could possible ssh into your box and see if something is hanging your installation
[06:34] <xipietotec> essentially, never format floppy disks as NTFS in windows
[06:34] <Xzyx987X> that mounts it with read only permission for root and no permission for other users
[06:34] <nothlit> firebird619, oh, then only thing i know is ctrl+alt+backspace to restart the X server, but that will start your installation all over again since you started it in X
[06:34] <firebird619> nothlit: No, that isn't anything I installed myself. It just finally went to another console from when I pressed ctrl+alt+F1 a few minutes ago. What command should I enter there?
[06:34] <mister_roboto> 30 hops is the max it will look in traceroute, by default
[06:35] <Xzyx987X> I need it mounted with read/write permission for all users
[06:35] <cheaman> IM having problems copying a file into floppy I get this error..   cp: cannot create regular file `/media/floppy/cms.txt': Read-only file system
[06:35] <Nomikos> anyone know how to get SSH support in php5?
[06:35] <cheaman> help :|
[06:35] <Ashley`> nothlit: I've had the X server hang like that and ctrl+alt+backspace no longer works either.
[06:35] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: increase the number of hops that traceroute will follow (-m argument)
[06:35] <Xzyx987X> because I can't set individual permissions on files as the drive is ntfs...
[06:35] <nothlit> firebird619, type top in and see the process taking up the most cpu cycles is
[06:35] <dfcarney> Xzyx987X: isn't the NTFS driver only read-only?
[06:36] <nothlit> Ashley`, thats what ssh is for :)
[06:36] <Specialbuddy> so playing windows media player 10 is not going to work on ubuntu most likely
[06:36] <dfcarney> Xzyx987X: or are you using an experimental driver with write support?
[06:36] <gevaudan> dfcarney: not if you follow the guide on ubuntuguide.org to enable r/w
[06:36] <dfcarney> gevaudan: gotcha
[06:36] <Nomikos> ah, think i found it..
[06:36] <phab> anyone got a link to enable the composite stuff?
[06:36] <firebird619> nothlit: I typed top as you said. Numbers are changing, etc. It must be doing something. What do I press to get back to the GUI to see if it is getting any farther. Looks like Xorg is taking up the most.
[06:36] <Xzyx987X> I thought they had write support in the default drivers...
[06:37] <timfrost> wheelswitch: you are about two hops from success when things stop.  I note that the first 3 hops are all private (RFC1918) address space, so I wonder where your address is translated to a routable address.  If your ISP isn't doing the NAT properly, that could explain the problem
[06:37] <gevaudan> Xyz987: nope
[06:37] <nothlit> firebird619, to get back into your x interface you press ctrl+alt+f7
[06:37] <Xzyx987X> ok, but either way, even if I can't get write support without experimental drivers for all users, how about just read support?
[06:37] <evilmegaman> does anyone know how to have window borders when using beryl?
[06:37] <nothlit> firebird619, but if Xorg (your x server) is the process that has hanged, i don't think you have a choice but to start all over again
[06:38] <Xzyx987X> in the manager right click on the tray icon and set the manager to beryl
[06:38] <wheelswitch> i guess i contact my host (freepgs) and see what they say, it is really important i have ftp access for my site it has river data updated daily on it.
[06:38] <nothlit> firebird619, because you have to terminate X and thats what you installation depends on
[06:38] <nothlit> firebird619, but the good news is, apt-get will only need to finish reinstalling the new programs and won't have  to redownload anything
[06:38] <nothlit> firebird619, anything it has already set up will be fine
[06:38] <gevaudan> wheelswitch: can't you just use scp instead of ftp? unless you are allowing anonymous ftp i'd stick with scp
[06:38] <xipietotec> evilmegaman: I have that problem, close beryl-manager
[06:38] <firebird619> nothlit: Ok. I can't tell if its getting any further. Half the screen is black, the bottom half is the bottom half of the GUI.
[06:39] <xipietotec> your borders should come back
[06:39] <nothlit> firebird619, did Xorg take up 80+ percent?
[06:39] <Xzyx987X> I just set the manager to beryl in the otions
[06:39] <phab> !obotu compiz
[06:39] <phab> !compiz
[06:39] <wheelswitch> scp access is not allowed on the host
[06:39] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:39] <xipietotec> if you just loaded beryl....try opening beryl-manager and then closing it, but I cant remember if that works
[06:39] <Xzyx987X> sometimes it gets set to compiz, wich causes the issue
[06:39] <nothlit> firebird619, that means X is still hanging
[06:39] <mister_roboto> timfrost: that's a very good point! where are those 10. addresses coming from? the isp?!
[06:39] <firebird619> nothlit: No, not near that much. around 25-30%
[06:39] <rc-1> problems i have: up until login screen bright white vertical lines all over monitor, when boot says cant load home dir, screensaver freezes, and theres a dotted menu ALWAYS to the bottom right of mouse pointer, help?
[06:40] <GirlRiver> nothlit: kmitch87: thanks ... it still didn't solve the problem as the website wants flash 8 or better
[06:40] <nothlit> firebird619, id try leaving it alone for a while then, nothing has hanged, your computer may still be doing something
[06:41] <BHSPitLappy> GirlRiver, do you have flash 9?
[06:41] <timfrost> mister_roboto, wheelswitch, I assume the 10.x are the ISP that wheelswitch is using (transact.com.au?).
[06:41] <nothlit> GirlRiver, are you sure you have installed flash 9? got to a flash website that you know works, right click on the flash applet and see about flash player # to check which version there is
[06:41] <hackel_> f
[06:41] <firebird619> nothlit: I hope it is still doing something, but as slow as the response time is of it (it took a few minutes before the console come up to log in) I may not know for a while what the world it is doing.
[06:41] <Lam_> what's the %u in firefox %u stand for?
[06:42] <wheelswitch> timfrost:  that is indeed my isp
[06:42] <mister_roboto> timfrost: you're right though that it's clearly broken since those are non-routeable
[06:42] <gevaudan> Lam_: user profile i think
[06:42] <dfcarney> timfrost: aren't <IP_ADDRESS>. to <IP_ADDRESS> reserved private networks?
[06:42] <Lam_> gevaudan: ok thanks
[06:42] <nothlit> firebird619, yeah, thats why its always better to use a virtual console (ctrl+alt+f1-f4) ... also go to help.ubuntu.com/community and search for the SSHHowTo guide
[06:43] <l337f00l> can anyone help me with installing an older version of Lame specifically Lame-3.90
[06:43] <dfcarney> timfrost: i.e. reserved addresses for private networks?  just a guess on my part, but some switches/routers may be selectively blocking or filtering out packets NATed through them.
[06:43] <nothlit> firebird619, that way you can use your other computer to login and manage it if it freezes
[06:43] <BHSPitLappy> what the heck
[06:43] <firebird619> nothlit: I have Beryl installed and running (all the effects are amazing), will that work in KDE once the KDE install finishes without further configuration. I will have to remember to use a virtual console next time.
[06:43] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: what happens if you try a traceroute to someplace you CAN get to? do you still go through those 10.x.x.x addresses?
[06:43] <BHSPitLappy> I come back from work, and my desktop has apparently hung. black screen, monitor won't reactivate.
[06:43] <BHSPitLappy> buggy edgy.
[06:43] <nothlit> Lam_, i think it stands for the url variable another program can pass to it
[06:43] <troopa> What was the name of the Ubuntu package that had all of the multimedia codecs? easybutu or something like that.
[06:43] <BHSPitLappy> easyubuntu
[06:44] <Lam_> nothlit: ok that one makes more sense. thanks
[06:44] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: like www.google.com?
[06:44] <troopa> Thanks.
[06:44] <timfrost> dfcarney: yes they are.  Either wheelswitch has 3 devices before the ISP, or else the ISP is using non-routable addresses on their internal network.
[06:44] <AdamKili> when i first upgraded to Edgy, it said that my X Keyboard settings and my GNOME keyboard settings were different and it needed to know which i wanted to keep, i said to keep the X settings and to not show the message again. but now my right ALT button doesn't work, it recognises it as <Mod5> in System>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts. any way to fix?
[06:44] <nothlit> firebird619, kde is compatible with beryl, but you may have to do some configuring to get it working
[06:44] <nothlit> firebird619, there is guides for it on help.ubuntu.com
[06:45] <nothlit> firebird619, i don't use kde on this particular computer so i can't tell you its compatibility with beryl
[06:45] <nothlit> firebird619, out of box
[06:45] <AdamKili> troopa: easyubuntu is right, but it never worked for me
[06:45] <firebird619> nothlit: Ok. I will just let it sit and hope it does something. I periodically hear the HDD working, which it wasn't doing before when I come here for help, so hopefully it is finishing up.
[06:45] <navaburo> when i goto a virtual console i get nothing but video glitchyness
[06:46] <navaburo> (i use ati proprietary driver flgrx)
[06:46] <AdamKili> when i first upgraded to Edgy, it said that my X Keyboard settings and my GNOME keyboard settings were different and it needed to know which i wanted to keep, i said to keep the X settings and to not show the message again. but now my right ALT button doesn't work, it recognises it as <Mod5> in System>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts. any way to fix plz? i need my right <ALT. back cause i use it constantly for multimedia shortcuts
[06:46] <GirlRiver> nothlit: I do not get an option to see help about on any page regardless of whether it loads or not
[06:46] <dfcarney> timfrost: interesting...  but why aren't they routable?  i mean, i use 192.168.2.x as my private network and my packets are routed properly.  what do you think the difference is in this case?
[06:46] <firebird619> nothlit: If I would have to restart X, what would I do to get it to finish what it has left of KDE, instead of starting from the beginning?
[06:46] <nothlit> troopa, you can follow http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281825 it has a ubuntu-multimedia-gnome package that correctly installs everything using apt
[06:46] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: not routeable across a router to a different network
[06:47] <nothlit> firebird619, just type sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:47] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: unless an explicit routing table is setup, right?
[06:47] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  sorry, didnt see that, trying tracerout one google now
[06:47] <nothlit> GirlRiver, that means you don't have ANY flash player installed
[06:47] <l337f00l> can anyone help me with installing an older version of Lame specifically Lame-3.90
[06:47] <AdamKili> when i first upgraded to Edgy, it said that my X Keyboard settings and my GNOME keyboard settings were different and it needed to know which i wanted to keep, i said to keep the X settings and to not show the message again. but now my right ALT button doesn't work, it recognises it as <Mod5> in System>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts. i need my right <ALT. back cause i use it constantly for multimedia shortcuts. does anyone know how to fix th
[06:47] <AdamKili> is?
[06:48] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: no.   a router cannot legally route it (following the rfc's i mean)
[06:48] <nothlit> GirlRiver, did you copy the .so file to ~/.mozilla/plugins ?
[06:48] <gevaudan> l337f00l: if you can find it just compile from source..../configure && make && make install
[06:48] <nothlit> GirlRiver, and restart firefox?
[06:48] <firebird619> nothlit: Ok, great. Thanks for the help. I will just let it keep running, and hope it works without having to do that, but if I do have to restart, I'll know what to do. :-)
[06:48] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: it's fine on your LAN
[06:48] <nothlit> firebird619, great :)
[06:48] <akijikan> hello -- looking for some help:  I can't install or start ubuntu, X Server error "no screens detected"
[06:48] <l337f00l> gevaudan: did that already and got errors thats why I'm asking for help
[06:49] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: ah, makes sense.  is that in RFC 1918?
[06:49] <gevaudan> l337f00l: dependency errors or something else? understandably i doubt any of us have tried this before
[06:49] <rocky> anyone have a favourite gnome/flickr app that runs on edgy?
[06:49] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: not sure offhand which it is. but something has to do NAT before such packets can get to an external network
[06:49] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  yes, traceroute www.google.com still brings up the 10.***.* addresses
[06:49] <l337f00l> gevaudan: can I private message you the error because it is long
[06:49] <timfrost> dfcarney: your router is translating your private address to a routable one
[06:49] <GirlRiver> nothlit: i copied it to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/
[06:50] <AdamKili> when i first upgraded to Edgy, it said that my X Keyboard settings and my GNOME keyboard settings were different and it needed to know which i wanted to keep, i said to keep the X settings and to not show the message again. but now my right ALT button doesn't work, it recognises it as <Mod5> in System>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts, and as ISO_Level3_Shift in my multimedia player. i need my right <ALT> back cause i use it constantly for mul
[06:50] <AdamKili> timedia shortcuts. does anyone know how to fix this?
[06:50] <gevaudan> l337f00l: what's the top level exception
[06:50] <nothlit> AdamKili, you can type sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose the correct keyboard options
[06:50] <timfrost> !pastebin | l337f00l
[06:50] <ubotu> l337f00l: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[06:50] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: found it.  RFC 1918, page 4
[06:50] <akijikan> board settings were different and it needed to know which i wanted to keep, i said to keep the X settings and to not show the message again. but now my right ALT button doesn't work, it recognises it as <Mod5> in System>Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts, and as ISO_Level3_Shift in my multimedia player. i need my right <ALT> back cause i use it constantly for mul
 timedia shortcuts. does anyone know how to fix this?
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[06:51] <akijikan> oops sry all
[06:51] <cheaman> IM having problems copying a file into floppy I get this error..   cp: cannot create regular file `/media/floppy/cms.txt': Read-only file system
[06:51] <dfcarney> timfrost: yes, i believe that i understand now.  thanks.
[06:51] <l337f00l> gevaudan: encoder.c:38:25: error: vbrquantize.h: No such file or directory
[06:51] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: that's why you have to set up port forwarding through your router to connect to an internal machine on your LAN. the internal addresses can't be routed directly. the router doing the NAT has a routeable address
[06:51] <l337f00l> encoder.c: In function 'lame_encode_mp3_frame':
[06:51] <l337f00l> encoder.c:624: warning: implicit declaration of function 'VBR_quantize'
[06:51] <cheaman> help :|
[06:52] <AdamKili> nothlit: it says unknown option --reconfigure
[06:52] <gevaudan> l337f00l: a warning shouldn't stop you from compiling...where does the compilation halt and is it during configure make or make install?
[06:52] <chevin> AdamKili: it's dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[06:52] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: try using a passive ftp connection
[06:52] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: i understand that -- i just didn't realize that "private" networks were not allowed to propagate routing information across links
[06:52] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: that way the server doesn't have to connect the data channel back to you
[06:52] <ianmacgregor> AdamKili: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:53] <GirlRiver> nothlit: all other plugins in that directory appear to be links, only the new .so file is not a link
[06:53] <mister_roboto> pasv
[06:53] <nothlit> GirlRiver, open another filebrowser and paste in ~/.mozilla/plugins and then copy and paste the so into that
[06:54] <akijikan> hello all -- I'm looking for some help. I can't install or start ubuntu, X Server error "no screens detected"
[06:54] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: try starting ftp, then type "passive", then type "open <hostname"
[06:54] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  ok
[06:54] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: i mean "open <hostname>"
[06:54] <dfcarney> mister_roboto: specifically, i didn't know this:  "routing information about private networks shall not be propagated on inter-enterprise links, and packets with private source or destination addresses should not be forwarded across such links.
[06:54] <l337f00l> gevaudan: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29506/ thats the error I see
[06:54] <mister_roboto> dfcarney: ahh, ok :)
[06:54] <gevaudan> mister_roboto: be aware if you enable passive ftp you have to enable a specific port range...passive ftp uses a range not a specific port number like 21
[06:55] <wheelswitch> as in "open ftp.blah.com" or "open <ftp.blah.com>"?
[06:55] <mister_roboto> gevaudan: actually, it works by the server establishing the listening port and telling the client what it is, rather than the reverse
[06:55] <gevaudan> l337f00l: honestly, it's hard to tell from the stacktrace you posted
[06:56] <dfcarney> akijikan: i don't have much time left, but are you booting from the Live CD or a normal installation?  has it ever worked in the past?
[06:56] <nothlit> AdamKili, chevin and ianmacgregor  are correct, i gave you the wrong command in error, i apologise
[06:56] <gevaudan> mister_roboto: i don't use ftp anymore on my server, but i remember having to specify a range in vsftpd and then open up my firewall accordingly
[06:57] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  does not seem to be working in passive either
[06:57] <l337f00l> gevaudan: :/ thats all it gave me for an error
[06:57] <akijikan> hello all -- I'm looking for some help. I can't install or start ubuntu, X Server error "no screens detected"
[06:57] <mister_roboto> gevaudan: wheelswitch: look at this site to understand active vs passive ftp http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
[06:57] <dfcarney> jikan: i don't have much time left, but are you booting from the Live CD or a normal installation?  has it ever worked in the past?jikan: i don't have much time left, but are you booting from the Live CD or a normal installation?  has it ever worked in the past?
[06:57] <nothlit> GirlRiver, you have to  paste ~/.mozilla/plugins into the location bar of your file browser, do you know how to switch to that?
[06:58] <dfcarney> akijikan: i don't have much time left, but are you booting from the Live CD or a normal installation?  has it ever worked in the past?jikan: i don't have much time left, but are you booting from the Live CD or a normal installation?  has it ever worked in the past?
[06:58] <dfcarney> (sorry for the double-post)
[06:58] <akijikan> dfcarney:
[06:58] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: sorry man but i'm out of ideas for now and have to go to bed. early day tomorrow
[06:58] <akijikan> I don't know?  just the i386 dsic on the download page...never used ubuntu before
[06:58] <nothlit> akijikan, you can try to legacy/compatibility mode in the boot options or if that doesn't work use the alternate install disc instead
[06:58] <nothlit> akijikan, its the second option
[06:59] <GirlRiver> nothlit: umm, yes I think so
[06:59] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  thanks alot for all your time, i guess ill wait and see what my webhost says
[06:59] <AdamKili> nothlit: that's ok. it didn't fix it though even with the right command
[06:59] <mckinnoj> Hey all, Linux n00b here.  I just installed Edgy, but I frequently get the error message "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b".  I'm using a Radeon 9800 Pro.  Do I need to get some new drivers for my card?
[06:59] <wheelswitch> mister_roboto:  hopefully they will just give me scp access
[06:59] <nothlit> AdamKili, did you restart afterwards?
[06:59] <dfcarney> akijikan: for reference, that error message is coming from X -- the window server.  It means that it cannot locate configuration information for your video card and/or monitor (typically in a file called XF86Config-4)
[07:00] <mister_roboto> wheelswitch: that would be a good thing
[07:00] <BHSPitLappy> akijikan, they were just asking if you were booting to the CD, or if you'd already installed ubuntu and are using the installation
[07:00] <nothlit> GirlRiver, well once you've pasted the file close firefox, open it up again, and then go to a flash site that you know worked before
[07:00] <GirlRiver> nolith: no, i don't :-)
[07:00] <akijikan> BHSPitLappy: okay, I'm trying to install, so I'm booting the CD
[07:00] <AdamKili> no i'll try i
[07:00] <AdamKili> it*
[07:00] <AdamKili> brb
[07:01] <dfcarney> akijikan: which CD?  what was the name of the file you downloaded?
[07:01] <gevaudan> g'nite all
[07:01] <akijikan> dfcarney: ubuntu-6_2.10-desktop-i386.iso
[07:01] <nothlit> GirlRiver, oh ok, well make sure you have on file browser open with the libflashplayer.so showing, and then make sure ANOTHER one is open (file -> New Window)
[07:01] <mjbjr> I've got my ubuntu using noob on the line, just did a clean reboot, but a failed scrolled by... how do we check what the failure was?
[07:02] <mckinnoj> Anyone here using a Radeon 9800 with Edgy?
[07:02] <nothlit> GirlRiver, then in that one click view -> statusbar
[07:02] <elbrandonoo> !ati
[07:02] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:02] <GirlRiver> nothlit: ok ..
[07:02] <nothlit> GirlRiver, there should now be a bar that has Location: on the left side.
[07:02] <GirlRiver> nothlit: yes
[07:03] <GirlRiver> nothlit: typed it in but sayd location doesn't exist
[07:03] <nothlit> GirlRiver, get rid of everything in that bar, copy and paste the following ~/.mozilla/plugins
[07:03] <ZirJoker> any gba emulator for gnome ubuntu???
[07:03] <nothlit> GirlRiver, copy and paste it
[07:03] <dfcarney> akijikan: so, this is your first time trying to boot it and install it?
[07:03] <nothlit> GirlRiver, that directory definitely should exist if you have firefox
[07:03] <akijikan> dfcarney: yes
[07:04] <GirlRiver> nothlit: yep .. done. Get error box .. couldn't find
[07:04] <dfcarney> akijikan: what kind of computer are you trying to install it onto?
[07:04] <ltr^^^_> playe
[07:04] <nothlit> GirlRiver, the ~/ simply points to your home folder like /home/girlriver
[07:04] <dfcarney> akijikan: i.e. how old is it?  make/model?  type of CPU?  do you know any details about it?
[07:04] <ZirJoker> is there any gba emulator for ubuntu?
[07:04] <GirlRiver> nothlit: yep ..
[07:04] <nothlit> GirlRiver, then you can go into a console and type mkdir ~/.mozilla
[07:04] <matt_> is there an easy way to get s-video working on ubuntu
[07:05] <nothlit> GirlRiver, and then type mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins
[07:05] <AdamKili> it works! thanks guys, however i followed it's instructions to make the Windows key a meta key and my windows key still doesn't work!!!! Arg!!! oh well i'll live without it i guess (sob)
[07:05] <AdamKili> ....
[07:05] <nothlit> GirlRiver,  wait, are you still using the ROOT filebrowser?
[07:05] <akijikan> dfcarney:Amd Athlon X2 4200, Biostar Tforce 550 mobo, ati radeon x800 XL w/256 ram, 160gb SATA harddrive
[07:05] <akijikan> dfcarney: so very recent
[07:05] <AdamKili> thanks nothlit
[07:05] <matt_> is there an easy way to get s-video working on ubuntu
[07:06] <ltr^^^_> i installed mplayer, trying to play a video file  - error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device
[07:06] <dfcarney> akijikan: yeah, it seems pretty new
[07:06] <GirlRiver> nothlit: no
[07:06] <dfcarney> akijikan: the first thing i recommend you do is find out if there's support for your video card in Linux
[07:06] <GirlRiver> nothlit: I never ran the gksudo thingy
[07:07] <akijikan> dfcarney: okie-dokie, thanks
[07:07] <matt_> why is it so hard to get s-video working under ubuntu
[07:07] <akijikan> dfcarney: I did install and run FC6 okay on this machine, so I tend to believe there is
[07:07] <nothlit> GirlRiver, thats incredibly odd, well then if you've executed the two mkdir commands try navigating to ~/.mozilla/plugins again and pasting the flashplayer .so file in again
[07:07] <GirlRiver> nothlit: can I clarify something ...  the folder should be in /home/girlriver/.mozilla/plugins
[07:08] <nothlit> GirlRiver, well yes, if your username is girlriver
[07:08] <dfcarney> akijikan: i'm not sure how the installation CD works exactly, but the other suggestion by nothlit is a good one -- try and boot it in a reduced video mode
[07:08] <dfcarney> akijikan: i'm guessing you're getting that error because your video card isn't supported yet
[07:08] <GirlRiver> nothlit: ok .. i will now go and make the directories
[07:09] <nothlit> AdamKili yw :)
[07:09] <akijikan> dfcarney: reduced mode? is that a boot commandline option like noapic?
[07:09] <nothlit> AdamKili you can try to go through the reconfiguring process again to get the windows key going
[07:09] <nothlit> AdamKili part of it is GNOME's defaults however
[07:10] <dfcarney> akijikan: to be honest, i don't exactly know.  it's been a long time since i installed Ubuntu :)
[07:10] <bucky> how do I add virtual desktops to my gnome panel after upgrading to 6.10
[07:10] <nothlit> akijikan, no its simply one of the options you are presented with before you boot into a graphical environment with the livecd
[07:10] <nothlit> akijikan, it should be the second
[07:10] <dfcarney> akijikan: i would guess that the installation CD gives you a menu when booting
[07:10] <bucky> i only have two now as opposed to the normal four
[07:10] <nothlit> bucky, right click on the virtual desktops
[07:10] <akijikan> there is a grapical safemode or something like that but I get the same error
[07:11] <nothlit> bucky, click preferences and up the number.
[07:11] <bucky> tnx
[07:11] <bucky> awsome ease of upgrade
[07:11] <nothlit> akijikan, you can always try using the ALTERNATE boot cd instead, it uses no graphical environment so it may be slightly more confusing, but there are guides on how to use it
[07:12] <GirlRiver> nothlit: ok .. /.mozilla already exists without a plugins directory BUT it does have a firefox and firefox1.0.x.ubuntu folder in it
[07:12] <nothlit> akijikan, its pretty similar to the regular installer, with a few more hardware options and things like LVM
[07:12] <arepie> i have one problem when trying to remove software through synaptic, the error is --> E: clamav-base: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[07:12] <nothlit> GirlRiver, look inside the firefox folder, there may be a plugins folder in that
[07:12] <Andruk> hello, when my computer starts up i get an x server error. i have already looked around and i cannot find any helpful howtos, faqs or guides that tell me how to fix it. the error is failed to load module "ati", no drivers were found, and no screens were found. i can get to a command prompt. can anybody help me?  i am using edgy (upgraded from dapper)
[07:13] <nothlit> GirlRiver, try pasting it in there then (btw great investigative work :)
[07:13] <akijikan> nothlit: okay, I'll give it a whirl, thank you very much, you too dfcarney
[07:13] <Lathiat> arepie: open /var/lib/dpkg/info/clamav-base.postinst in a text editor (as root) --- add "exit 0" on the second line (as a new line, after the "#!/bin/sh line")
[07:13] <Lathiat> arepie: and try again
[07:14] <tich> there is a weird glitch with audio cd's, i can play them (using rhythmbox) but an icon doesn't appear on the desktop or in the file manager. does this happen to anyone else? is it fixable?
[07:14] <nothlit> Andruk, the forums have plenty of guides.. there is a known X server problems fixing thread in there for edgy (ubuntuforums.org)
[07:14] <GirlRiver> nothlit: no plugins in either, both look like legit folders without plugins ... which should I paste into ?
[07:14] <Lathiat> tich: hrm im not sure one is supposed to
[07:14] <Lathiat> tich: does it automatically ask if you want to play it when you insert it?
[07:15] <nothlit> GirlRiver, go ahead and make the plugins folder in the root .mozilla folder and put it in there
[07:15] <pppoe_dude> tich, audio disks shouldn't mount iirc
[07:15] <ltr^^^_> i installed mplayer, trying to play a video file  - error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device
[07:15] <nothlit> GirlRiver, the fact that you're missing a plugins folder is odd, i haven't even used firefox and i have it
[07:15] <tich> ppoe_dude, what is iirc?
[07:16] <pppoe_dude> ltr^^^_, try mplayer -vo xv <file> instead of whatever you were doing.
[07:16] <nothlit> GirlRiver, you can also try copying it into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins folder once you start a root filebrowser
[07:16] <tich> Lathiat, no it does ask but if i open rhythmbox it appears right below my library
[07:16] <bayzider> How do I get flash player on firefox?\
[07:16] <pppoe_dude> tich, audio disks are not mountable (no filesystem) and hence will not be mounted to a specific directory
[07:17] <dfcarney> tich: IIRC stands for "if i recall correctly"
[07:17] <nothlit> ltr^^^_, open up mplayer from the menu, then right click in the center of the video window, click preferences
[07:17] <pppoe_dude> tich, however, media players, CD rippers, etc. will be able to detect/play them
[07:17] <tich> why do dvd's appear on the desktop and cd's don'd
[07:18] <tich> *don't?
[07:18] <pppoe_dude> tich, dvd's are data disks
[07:18] <nothlit> ltr^^^_, click the video tab, and try those until you get one that works, remembering to restart mplayer in between each try
[07:18] <nothlit> ltr^^^_, i had the same problem before
[07:18] <tich> well now i know.
[07:18] <mythril> how do I install phpmyadmin (via apt) on ubuntu-server (6.10)?
[07:18] <tich> pppoe_dude, thanks
[07:18] <pppoe_dude> tich, dvd's iirc are mountable
[07:19] <nothlit> tich,  iirc is If I Recall Correctly
[07:19] <bayzider> Does any one know?
[07:19] <pppoe_dude> bayzider, are you on edgy?
[07:19] <bayzider> What is "edgy"?
[07:19] <pppoe_dude> bayzider, what distro are you using?
[07:19] <sev_> he's probably not then
[07:20] <Gumby> any mysql users in here?  running mysqld in dapper and it all of a sudden is failing to start and I cant figure out why.
[07:20] <bayzider> Im on the new one dapper or w/e 6.06 theres a new one?
[07:20] <nothlit> bayzider, make sure you have the other ubuntu repositories added then sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:20] <sevtastic> hey guys
[07:20] <pppoe_dude> bayzider, you need to install flashplugin-nonfree from the multiverse repo
[07:20] <dusk> I just installed edgy, and followed the direction to install fglrx drivers from ubuntu, how do I check (and fix) the error I am getting (detailed as a common error on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[07:20] <sevtastic> can someone direct me in the right path to using compiz on nvidia with amd64?
[07:20] <bayzider> ok lemme check if I have it
[07:21] <bayzider> but whatsedgy?
[07:21] <sevtastic> i've got beryl going but it's kinda spotty
[07:21] <pppoe_dude> sevtastic, #ubuntu-xgl
[07:21] <_array> hey guys, where is the screen resolution file kept? not the xrog.conf, the resolution only changes for one user on my box and I can't see anything so I need to set it back to the right resolution.. its user specific
[07:21] <mike_> Ok I got the codecs for all of my players but when I try and play over network ti says it can't read source any idea what I am missing?
[07:22] <matt_> there needs to be a better way for getting dual monitor and s-video
[07:22] <pppoe_dude> _array, did you select the correct default depth and res in xorg.conf?
[07:22] <_array> pppoe_dude: It works fine in 1024x768 but its all fuzzy in 800x600.. now I can't boot into x and set it back because I can't see
[07:22] <bayzider> Is edgy a new distro or something?
[07:23] <compudaze> no
[07:23] <compudaze> it's the new version of ubuntu
[07:23] <compudaze> edgy is the codename for ubuntu 6.10
[07:23] <nothlit> _array, system -> preferences -> screen resolution
[07:23] <bayzider> pppoe_dude: I have that installed, but still I cant see some flash things.
[07:23] <pppoe_dude> _array, screen res in X is controlled by xorg.conf
[07:23] <_array> nothlit: ..I can't see in X
[07:23] <pppoe_dude> bayzider, you probably need the more recent flash plugin which is not available
[07:24] <bayzider> pppoe_dude : ='( when will it be?
[07:24] <_array> pppoe_dude: it boots into gdm with 1024x768, just when I log into my account it goes into 800x600
[07:24] <pppoe_dude> _array, if u want, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg if u feel unfomfortable fiddling with text files
[07:24] <mike_> compudaze I can't play music on my ubuntu from my file server. I can get to the file but it won't read the source any ideas?
[07:24] <nothlit> _array, oh you mean for one gnome user profile?
[07:24] <Lathiat> bayzider, pppoe_dude: there is now a flash 9 beta out for linux
[07:24] <pppoe_dude> _array, oh i see..
[07:24] <_array> nothlit: yes!!
[07:24] <mnepton> oh man. "unfomfortable." what a great word.
[07:24] <Lathiat> bayzider, pppoe_dude: seveas' ubuntu respostiroy has an updated package for it
[07:24] <nothlit> _array, you could try using gconf in another user
[07:24] <duane> anyone know how to install flash in opera and konqueror?
[07:25] <bayzider> Lathiat: How do I get it?
[07:25] <mnepton> duane: i believe Opera has a tutorial on their site
[07:25] <Madpilot> duane, just use the Flash installer from Macromedia, it should find all your browsers
[07:25] <_array> nothlit: getting "gconf: command not found"
[07:25] <pppoe_dude> !seveas>bayzider
[07:25] <Lathiat> !seveas>lathiat
[07:25] <Lathiat> interesting
[07:25] <shinobi2> anyone got wireless working?
[07:25] <duane> mnepton: do you know where it is?
[07:25] <pppoe_dude> _array, run gnome-display-properties using sudo for a different user
[07:26] <duane> Madpilot: i downloaded a zip file from them. there was no installer
[07:26] <bayzider> pppoe_dude: how do I know what one I want?
[07:26] <pppoe_dude> _array, sude -u <username> gnome-display-properties
[07:26] <nothlit> _array,  gconf-editor ... its actually under applications system tools but its hidden until you edit the menu
[07:26] <pppoe_dude> _array, above should work and fix things
[07:27] <nothlit> _array, oh, pppoe_dude knows better than me :)
[07:27] <moj0rising> hello! does anyone know if it is possible to use SATA RAID while using an on-board controller?
[07:27] <bayzider> pppoe_dude: What one do I get?
[07:28] <pppoe_dude> bayzider, i don't know, i don't use dapper
[07:28] <moj0rising> instead of a PCI expansion card RAID controller
[07:28] <pppoe_dude> bayzider, try searching for all 'flash' and pick flash9 or somethn
[07:28] <nothlit> duane, you have to add the commercial repository or the opera repository but if you used edgy, you have to use the Dapper commercial repository to install opera
[07:28] <mnepton> duane: http://www.opera.com
[07:28] <mnepton> duane: GIYF, too :)
[07:28] <pppoe_dude> Lathiat seems to know about it, bayzider
[07:29] <duane> mnepton: im looking at opera.com right now. i searched for a tutorial and cant find it
[07:29] <nothlit> duane, theres a guide on how to install opera in help.ubuntu.com/community , just search for opera
[07:29] <duane> nothlit: i have opera installed im trying to install the new flash for opera and konqueror
[07:29] <bayzider> lathiat: How do I get the respatory ?
[07:29] <_array> pppoe_dude: gave me a Connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[07:29] <bayzider> Like im on the page but I dont know what to do now
[07:29] <pppoe_dude> _array, are you doin that from another gnome session?
[07:30] <_array> pppoe_dude: yes
[07:30] <mnepton> duane: http://www.opera.com/linux/docs/plugins/install/  <--- ~15 seconds on Google
[07:30] <nothlit> duane, i don't know about konqueror but just place the so in ~/.opera/plugins
[07:30] <pppoe_dude> _array, try gksudo -u <user> instead
[07:30] <duane> mnepton: u da man
[07:31] <_array> same thing
[07:31] <_array> :(
[07:31] <pppoe_dude> _array, ? are you in a terminal with the original user?
[07:31] <pppoe_dude> s/original user/session user
[07:31] <_array> pppoe_dude: I dont thik so
[07:31] <_array> lemme check
[07:33] <pppoe_dude> _array, oh i may be wrong actually... maybe gnome-display-properties needs to connect
[07:33] <_array> pppoe_dude: I just logged out of everything
[07:33] <_array> pppoe_dude: and its still not working
[07:33] <firebird619> nothlit: It is still installing KDE, to my knowledge anyway, I am in a virtual console and now I can't switch back to the GUI. Do you think I should continue waiting or what?
[07:33] <pppoe_dude> _array, gimme 1 sec
[07:33] <_array> pppoe_dude: oaky dude, thanks again
[07:34] <Andruk> nothlit: i apologize, i wasnt searching with the right terms.  i found a guide and its working great!  thank you so much!
[07:35] <nothlit> firebird619, use ps aux | less and look for anything with apt-get or aptitude, or synaptic and see if anythings going on
[07:35] <nothlit> Andruk,  :D
[07:35] <pppoe_dude> _array, if the above doesnt work... i just suggest you comment out the troublesome resolution in xorg.conf and restart X.
[07:35] <Andruk> does anybody know a keyboard command for getting a terminal up (and then starting a window exnvironment - right now all my windows are on the upper left)
[07:36] <pppoe_dude> _array, that way, X will revert to the default resolution
[07:36] <nothlit> firebird619, actually just use ps aux | grep <name of utility used to install here>
[07:36] <khermans_> has anyone implemented/researched a System Restore feature yet for Ubuntu?
[07:36] <nothlit> Andruk, startx ?
[07:37] <mckinnoj> Arg! I followed the step by step instructions at "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI" for installing ATI proprietary drivers on Edgy but my OpenGL renderer is still Mesa
[07:37] <ltr^^^_> nothlit, which one did you use
[07:37] <khermans_> would be relatively simple -- backup /etc/ and user dot files
[07:37] <ArrenLex> khermans_: sure. It's called "tar -cjf /" =P
[07:37] <khermans_> ArrenLex, i mean for dumb users
[07:37] <nothlit> khermans_, theres plenty of ways to backup on linux, partimage, rsync, simple tar, even mondo rescue, you can create a live cd(s) which will restore your setup automatically
[07:37] <khermans_> ArrenLex, novices don't kow how to click 'tar'
[07:38] <khermans_> nothlit, of course
[07:38] <khermans_> nothlit, i mean something easy to use like System Restore
[07:38] <nothlit> khermans_, but no system restore, the closest thing linux has to a registry is gconf and ive always been under the impression that system restore is useless
[07:38] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, i can see no purpose for that
[07:38] <khermans_> i use partimage all the time, but that is not a "smart" file modification detection service
[07:38] <nothlit> khermans_, i think theres a  simple backup utility created during the google summer of code, lemme look
[07:39] <firebird619> nothlit: How is it I exit from top? I accidently got back into that, must have hit the up arrow or something and didn't realize it.
[07:39] <nothlit> firebird619, type q
[07:39] <khermans_> nothlit, yeah i saw it on the wiki -- but never got implemented
[07:39] <xipietotec> .tar.gz /etc. confused me looking at the extension, but the box icon was easy enough to understand as some sort of compressed file
[07:39] <firebird619> nothlit: says unknown command-try 'h' for help.
[07:40] <pppoe_dude> nothlit, esc
[07:40] <firebird619> nothlit: h switches from Show Threads on and Show Threads off
[07:40] <ArrenLex> How is Flash 9 working for everyone? Any recurring issues?
[07:40] <nothlit> firebird619, hitting q doesing work?
[07:40] <Werdna> hey all
[07:40] <firebird619> nothlit: no :(
[07:40] <dany> hi!
[07:40] <khermans_> pppoe_dude, even like -> Grandma chooses to perform an upgrade of Linux -- but it dies halfway through -- now wants to boot into a recovery mode and restore to last checkpoint
[07:40] <pppoe_dude> oops
[07:40] <nothlit> firebird619, the letter Q as in queen, not H as in hopping
[07:40] <pppoe_dude> firebird619, esc
[07:40] <Neil3> ArrenLex, how did you install flash 9? did a package get backported?
[07:41] <khermans_> Neil3, labs.adobe.com
[07:41] <Neil3> ah
[07:41] <Werdna> After upgrading from Dapper to Edgy, my wireless card (using ndiswrapper) and KDE don't work anymore. I get the error in syslog: loadndisdriver: main(638): version 1.7 doesn't match driver version 1.8
[07:41] <ArrenLex> Neil3: from macromedia labs.
[07:41] <firebird619> pppoe_dude: esc doesn't work either. Says Unkown command.
[07:41] <Neil3> cheers
[07:41] <mckinnoj> Has anyone successfully installed the proprietary ATI drivers using the guide at "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI" on Edgy?
[07:41] <ArrenLex> macromedia -> adobe. *old school*
[07:41] <pppoe_dude> firebird619, ctrl-c
[07:41] <khermans_> Neil3, copy the .so file
[07:41] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: what card?
[07:41] <firebird619> pppoe_dude: great, that worked, thanks
[07:41] <khermans_> Werdna, compile ndiswrapper from source
[07:41] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, use something to make iso images
[07:41] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: Radeon 9800 pro
[07:41] <khermans_> pppoe_dude, iso of what?
[07:41] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, of your disk
[07:41] <Neil3> ahh its beta i think i'll wait ;)
[07:41] <khermans_> pppoe_dude, thats useless too
[07:42] <Neil3> thanks anyway folks
[07:42] <nothlit> khermans_, i believe sbackup was complete but the wiki was vandalised several times
[07:42] <khermans_> pppoe_dude, i mean for novices -- like it automatically makes check points along the way
[07:42] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, well... if you're upgrading, you should always expect something wrong to happen
[07:42] <nothlit> khermans_, completed*
[07:42] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: could you kindly paste the output of lspci | grep AT?
[07:42] <ArrenLex> |grep ATI **
[07:42] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, you have a point, but it would be too complicated for a very narrow field of applications
[07:42] <khermans_> pppoe_dude, i mean like a few packages, not a dist-upgrade
[07:42] <firebird619> nothlit: It finds one entry for Synaptic, which is what I used. What am I looking for in that entry to know if it is doing anything?
[07:43] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, you can downgrade packages
[07:43] <nothlit> khermans_, i see sbackup in the repositories
[07:43] <pppoe_dude> khermans_, and always do 'apt-get install ubuntu-desktop' to revert
[07:43] <nothlit> firebird619, what are you looking for?
[07:43] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro]
[07:43] <mckinnoj> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro]  (Secondary)
[07:43] <khermans_> nothlit, nice
[07:43] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: are you certain that card's not supported by the opensource driver?
[07:43] <nothlit> khermans_, theres also something called simplebackup in the repositories, dunno what that is
[07:44] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: I think it might be.
[07:44] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: I believe that it is, but I was under the impression that I needed the proprietary software to use hardware acceleration
[07:44] <pppoe_dude> _array, did that last thing work?
[07:44] <firebird619> nothlit: I guess what I mean is, after entering that command to search for entries to do with the program I used to install KDE, does just the fact that it found an entry mean it is still doing something (installing KDE) or what?
[07:44] <khermans_> nothlit, hrrrrr -- but it needs to be transparent
[07:44] <khermans_> nothlit, i might have to write this thing myself ...
[07:45] <nothlit> firebird619, what number is in the first column?
[07:45] <nothlit> khermans_, oh, as in automatic? can't you schedule rsync or something in cron then?
[07:45] <Abst> Suddenly my sound has stopped working  and I dont have a clue why
[07:45] <Abst> Tried restart
[07:45] <Abst> !sound
[07:45] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure alsa is selected by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (Alsa Mixer). If you are still having problems with sound, then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[07:45] <nothlit> firebird619, i mean third column
[07:46] <firebird619> nothlit: 0.2
[07:46] <khermans_> nothlit, of course any veteran linux user can do backups any number of ways
[07:46] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: no; there is experimental 3D support for R300 cards. In my experience, it is very functional, stable, and far better than the official drivers. If your card gets 3D acceleration with the radeon driver, I advise you to use it, since fglrx was coded by a blindfolded intern typing randomly into notepad as part of an initiation dare.
[07:46] <nothlit> firebird619, that should be the cpu usage, if its extraordinarily high or low then there might not be anything going on
[07:46] <khermans_> nothlit, i mean to provide a transparent layer that does it for the dumb user, and when a problem happens, they can do something like revert to snapshot
[07:46] <hyphenated> ArrenLex: haha blindfolded intern
[07:46] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: upgrade to edgy. Then, try booting X with the "radeon" driver. See if you get 3D acceleration.
[07:46] <khermans_> nothlit, but it would only handle system files, not user files
[07:47] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: lol, good description of the ATI development process
[07:47] <ArrenLex> Abst: please run the "amixer" command and pastebin teh output.
[07:47] <firebird619> nothlit: Beings it is so low, is that a good sign that it is still installing.
[07:47] <nothlit> firebird619, i think stopping and starting your install all over again is a worthwhile thing to pursue, you wont have to redownload anything, and apt-get/aptititude will remember what has been installed or configured anyways
[07:47] <Abst> ArrenLex: Ubotu fixed it, but thanks anyway
[07:47] <nothlit> firebird619, at least then you know whats going on
[07:47] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex:  Sorry, I'm still a n00b here.  How would I tell X to boot with the "radeon" driver?
[07:48] <nothlit> khermans_, lol i know of no such thing, file something in launchpad?
[07:48] <ArrenLex> mkinnoj: have you upgraded to edgy?
[07:48] <firebird619> nothlit: Ok, what do I enter to do that, I can get back to the GUI now, but still half black, half GUI.
[07:48] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: yeah, I've upgraded to edgy
[07:48] <nothlit> firebird619, you can type sudo reboot or ctrl+alt+del (just like windows ;)
[07:48] <khermans_> mckinnoj, sed -i 's/Driver .*/Driver "radeon"/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:48] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: I did a clean install actually
[07:49] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: please paste the output of     cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver | grep -v "kbd" | grep -v "mouse"
[07:50] <ArrenLex> khermans: hold up there! Won't that replace his mouse and keyboard drivers as well?
[07:50] <firebird619> nothlit: Ok, entered ctrl+alt+del and it's now rebooting. Once thats done I just enter sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, right?
[07:50] <khermans_> ArrenLex, well yeah dont do it ... lol
[07:50] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: Driver      "wacom"
[07:50] <mckinnoj>         Driver      "wacom"
[07:50] <mckinnoj>         Driver      "wacom"
[07:50] <mckinnoj>         Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
[07:50] <mckinnoj>         Driver      "ati"
[07:50] <mckinnoj>         Driver      "fglrx"
[07:50] <khermans_> ArrenLex, .* should be replaced with current driver
[07:51] <nothlit> firebird619, thats correct it should continue, tell me if there are any errors, sometimes dpkg doesnt like it if you terminate it
[07:51] <ianmacgregor> khermans_: That's going to change Driver "kbd", Driver "mouse" too
[07:51] <ArrenLex> ...
[07:51] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: that is very surprising. Would you kindly pastebin your entire /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? I want to take a look at it.
[07:51] <firebird619> nothlit: It has KDE as a choice in the Select Session, does that mean anything?
[07:51] <khermans_> yeah he has two cards?
[07:51] <nothlit> firebird619, but i recommend using aptitude for your package management, that way if/when you uninstall anything it will also automatically uninstall the dependencies
[07:51] <nothlit> firebird619, does it say gdm/kdm?
[07:51] <nothlit> firebird619, tell me what it says
[07:52] <firebird619> nothlit: In te Select Session it says KDE. I also have the options of Last Session, Default System Session, GNOME, Failsafe GNOME, and Failsafe Terminal.
[07:52] <firebird619> *the
[07:53] <nothlit> firebird619, oh, that just chooses what graphical environment you want when you log in
[07:53] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: also, please describe your system, including number and type of video cards and number and type of input devices, including mice, keyboards, tablets and touchpads.
[07:53] <nothlit> firebird619, gnome is what ubuntu normally uses, and kubuntu uses kde
[07:53] <nothlit> firebird619, i think it is defining the default, but it doesn't really matter, because you can choose from the login manager just before you log in
[07:54] <firebird619> nothlit: Yes, I am aware of that, I was just wondering if beings it was listed as a choice if it was completely installed?
[07:54] <rwscold> hey anyone know anything about xgl or whatever with dapper?
[07:54] <nothlit> firebird619, you're doing this all from the virtual console right?
[07:54] <tarelerulz> Does ubuntu have anything like tom's windows manager
[07:54] <ArrenLex> rwscold: Are you asking what it is? Or how to install it?
[07:54] <^Gecko^> wow
[07:54] <jake102> can anyone help me.. when I try to copy a text file into floppy I get this error...  cp: cannot create regular file `/media/floppy/cms.txt': Read-only file system
[07:54] <nothlit> firebird619, no, usually it presents these options before most of the installing is finished
[07:54] <^Gecko^> I can hardly believe it
[07:55] <ArrenLex> rwscold: in the first case, I advise you to pursue wikipedia; in the second, #ubuntu-xgl
[07:55] <jake102> can anyone help me.. when I try to copy a text file into floppy I get this error...  cp: cannot create regular file `/media/floppy/cms.txt': Read-only file system
[07:55] <rwscold> well xgl is what makes the wobble and what not right
[07:55] <nothlit> firebird619, just see if you can get to the end where you can type things into your console again
[07:55] <firebird619> nothlit: I am going to run the sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop from virtual console so I don't run into the same problem.
[07:55] <ArrenLex> jake102: how did you mount the floppy?
[07:55] <ArrenLex> jake102: also make sure the floppy isn't write-blocked.
[07:55] <^Gecko^> A linux install that recognizes both my gigabit onboard nic and my PCI wifi card
[07:55] <nothlit> firebird619, ok sure
[07:55] <rwscold> arren i want to install it i have used a couple of how tos but dont know exactly where to start i read about beryl and aiglx and xgl and compiz and i really dont know
[07:56] <ArrenLex> Gecko: your gigabit nic has a free driver now, so many or most distributions will recognise it.
[07:56] <jake102> arrenlex: I dont know
[07:56] <^Gecko^> FC6 didnt
[07:56] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: 1 video card - Radeon 9800, usb mouse, standard keyboard, Audigy 2 soundcard
[07:56] <^Gecko^> it's a IC Plus IP1000
[07:56] <^Gecko^> and my wifi card is a Netgear WG311T
[07:56] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: okay. Pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf please.
[07:56] <ArrenLex> !pastebin
[07:56] <Andruk> anybody know how to start a window manager
[07:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:56] <^Gecko^> 2*
[07:57] <ArrenLex> Andruk: start which?
[07:57] <jake102> arrenlex: I dont know
[07:57] <xipietotec> ^Gecko^: ubuntu has great hardware detection
[07:57] <ArrenLex> jake: explain the process from picking the floppy up from the table to getting that error on the screen.
[07:57] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: Which WM? It should have installed an entry into gdm.
[07:57] <^Gecko^> Andruk:  try startx
[07:57] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: Forgive my ineptitude, do I need to dl a plugin to pastebin?
[07:57] <khermans_> mckinnoj, no
[07:57] <khermans_> mckinnoj, just paste your code there
[07:57] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: of course not; it's a website with a big text box. You paste text into this box and it uploads it and gives you a link which you share here.
[07:58] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: it's so your huge pastes don't flood the channel, is all
[07:58] <^Gecko^> This is my first time using x-chat, how do I open connections to more servers?
[07:58] <Andruk> Gecko: didnt work, x is already started
[07:58] <khermans_> ^Gecko^, /server
[07:58] <mckinnoj> ah ok, one sec
[07:58] <ArrenLex> Andruk: what are you trying to start?
[07:58] <^Gecko^> khermans_:  will that close this connection or open a second?
[07:58] <nothlit> Andruk, try pressing ctrl+alt+f7
[07:58] <Andruk> ArrenLex ianmacgregor: dont know, how do i check?
[07:59] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: You don't know which WM you installed?
[07:59] <Andruk> oh
[07:59] <Andruk> well, i didnt install it, edgy/dapper did.  but it is metacity
[07:59] <Andruk> so, how do i start metacity?
[07:59] <jake102> arrenlex so u cant help me?
[07:59] <ArrenLex> Andruk: using the metacity command. Doesn't it start automatically?
[07:59] <nothlit> metacity --display :1
[07:59] <nothlit> err
[07:59] <nothlit>  :0
[07:59] <ArrenLex> jake102: did you answer my question?
[07:59] <Andruk> ArrenLex: no
[07:59] <jake102> yes
[07:59] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: Metacity is the default WM in gnome, If you're running gnome, then MC is already running
[07:59] <Werdna> I'm trying to install the latest ndiswrapper, but it wants kernel headers and I don't have them, and I don't have wireless connection. How can I get the kernel headers without an internet connection?
[08:00] <ArrenLex> jake: explain the process from picking the floppy up from the table to getting that error on the screen.
[08:00] <ArrenLex> jake: sorry, I've missed it; please paste it again.
[08:00] <jake102> I said I dont know how I mounted the floppy
[08:00] <khermans_> where is Grumpy Groundhog release?
[08:00] <ArrenLex> jake102: and I said: (00:00:06) ArrenLex: jake: explain the process from picking the floppy up from the table to getting that error on the screen.
[08:01] <Madpilot> khermans_, there is no such thing
[08:01] <jake102> wtf
[08:01] <ArrenLex> khermans: the which what now?
[08:01] <Andruk> ianmacgregor: okay...so i have the top and bottom panels, but what about the window toolbars?
[08:01] <khermans_> ubotu, grumpy groundhog
[08:01] <nothlit> Andruk, metacity --display :0  you can also add --replace in there if you think somethings going on
[08:01] <jake102> someone said I need to edit /etc/fstab mount option
[08:01] <khermans_> Madpilot, the wiki documents it
[08:01] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: sorry, pastebin seems to be taking a while
[08:01] <rwscold> ANyone know how i can install xgl/beryl/compiz or whatever that makes the windows run sort of like a mac the "wiggle"
[08:01] <nothlit> Andruk,  the top and bottom panels are gnome-panel, window borders are metacity
[08:01] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: then try using www.pastebin.ca
[08:02] <Andruk> right...
[08:02] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: Metacity doesn't really have many tweaks. There are a few tweaks in System -> Preferences -> Windows, but that's it. If you have titlebars on your window, then Metacity is running.
[08:02] <Madpilot> khermans_, it's the "rolling release" bleeding edge 'release'; it's been talked about but AFAIK doesn't actually exist
[08:02] <Andruk> nothlit, thank you.
[08:02] <ArrenLex> rwscold: the #ubuntu-xgl channel exists to help you with that.
[08:02] <rwscold> 'thanks
[08:02] <khermans_> Madpilot, hrmm .. interesting
[08:02] <Andruk> ianmacgregor: thats the thing, i do not have any windows borders and the windows just keep piling up in the upper left hand corner ;-)
[08:03] <Werdna> !headers
[08:03] <ubotu> To install the Linux (kernel) headers, open a terminal and: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) To install headers for libraries, you need the accompanying -dev packages
[08:03] <ArrenLex> Madpilot: so, grumpy groundhog == sid?
[08:03] <Werdna> okay, what if I don't have an internet connection
[08:03] <nothlit> Madpilot, so its ubuntu's debian testing? or is it more unstable thanthat
[08:03] <ArrenLex> Andruk: what happens if you launch a shell in X and run "metacity" with no further options?
[08:03] <Madpilot> ArrenLex, nothlit - it's something that's been talked about for a while, but never actually happened.
[08:04] <nothlit> Andruk, try typing metacity --display :0 --replace  in a virtual console
[08:04] <Andruk> rwscold
[08:04] <Andruk> rwscold: #ubuntu-xgl
[08:04] <khermans_> ArrenLex, no Grumpy Groundhog =~ Binary Gentoo
[08:04] <timalot> anyone know how to get a laptop lcd screen to turn off after a certain amount of inactivity (ie after the screensaver has been on for a while)? ... currently on my machine it blanks then screen but the lcd is still on...
[08:04] <nothlit> Madpilot, yes but i just wanted to know what i theoretically entailed
[08:04] <ArrenLex> Isn't binary gentoo an oxymoron?
[08:04] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: http://pastebin.ca/230359
[08:04] <khermans_> ArrenLex, no -k option to emrge gets binaries
[08:04] <Madpilot> nothlit, "bleeding edge of everything", basically
[08:04] <ArrenLex> khermans: I'm not familiar with gentoo.
[08:04] <BHSPitLappy> timalot, when you close yours, does the lcd stay turned on
[08:04] <khermans_> ArrenLex, you can do binary mode installs in gentoo
[08:04] <nothlit> ArrenLex, lol it is but there are whole repositories for it
[08:05] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: keep in mind that I added that last Section "Extensions" following the instructions of that guide
[08:05] <khermans_> Madpilot, seems like it would be much work to build all packages daily
[08:05] <nothlit> Madpilot, ahh, thank you :)
[08:05] <timalot> BHSPitLappy: when i close the lid it turns off... but sometimes i forget to do this ...
[08:05] <Andruk> i cant get a freaking terminal opened!  they try to start up but they just disappear off of the bottom bar!
[08:05] <Madpilot> khermans_, from what little I've read, Grumpy would depend on autobuild utils that don't exist yet, hence Grumpy  not existing yet
[08:05] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: how exactly did you end up with this file?   Causes the laptop to overheat if I go somewhere.
[08:06] <khermans_> timalot, look at /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[08:06] <veleno> hello everyone. i've just installed edgy..impressive. i have a problem with my logitech mouse (mx518). the mouse wheel doesn't work properly (i only get it working in th bottom-up direction, not the opposite)
[08:06] <BHSPitLappy> really unacceptable (and stupid) behavior
[08:06] <rwscold> !xgl
[08:06] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:06] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: also, how important is it to you? May I suggest backing it up and reconfiguring X from scratch? It's very esoteric.
[08:06] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: You can ALT+click and drag anywhere in a window to move that window around with the mouse
[08:06] <Chippy> Andruk: are you trying to run xinemara?
[08:06] <timalot> khermans_: exactly but how do i get that to run? after a specified time
[08:06] <Andruk> ianmacgregor: no, i cant
[08:06] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, re-read and re-think the original comment
[08:07] <BHSPitLappy> Andruk, use a different terminal
[08:07] <Andruk> Chippy: no
[08:07] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: um, I found out about the existence of this file today, and I only added that last section
[08:07] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: I have no idea how the rest was generated
[08:07] <khermans_> timalot, a hack would be to symlink xscreensaver to it ;-)
[08:07] <ianmacgregor> BHSPitLappy: ?
[08:07] <Andruk> BHSPitLappy: I have tried others, which do you suggest?
[08:07] <Keyseir> anybody know of software I could easily make a wav/mp3 file that's Completely Blank with?
[08:07] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: yes, it's very convoluted. No objections to remaking it?
[08:07] <khermans_> Keyseir, libmp3
[08:07] <timalot> khermans_: might have to that :) .... ill keep looking for a bit
[08:07] <mckinnoj> ArrenLex: Sounds fine to me
[08:07] <khermans_> Keyseir, or audacity
[08:08] <firebird619> nothlit: When I entered sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop it said No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. Does that mean it completely installed KDE and its done?
[08:08] <Keyseir> khermans_ thanks
[08:08] <khermans_> timalot, /etx/acpi/screenblank.sh
[08:08] <ianmacgregor> BHSPitLappy: Are you telling me that ALT+click and drag doesn't work if the wm isn't running?
[08:09] <mcquaid> I just noticed that in 'users and groups' the checkbox to 'show all users' is now gone, is there another way to display this?
[08:09] <Andruk> ianmacgregor: im sure it doesnt
[08:09] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: :(
[08:09] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, I'm telling you that you completely missed the topic of the question. comment. whatever you call it.
[08:09] <mcquaid> I assume this is not ubuntu's doing, but gnome's in making it minimal they are removing features they already had
[08:09] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: this command will back up that file and then reconfigure your X server. The default values should be fine for you unless you know you need to use something different. Remember to read through every screen just in case. Make sure to pick the "radeon" driver if it asks! After you run this, restart X.
[08:09] <MorphDK> is there a proper way to upgrade to Gaim 2.0.0b4 ? The MSN via HTTP part is not working in b3..
[08:09] <ArrenLex> mckinnoj: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak && sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:10] <ianmacgregor> BHSPitLappy: I did not
[08:10] <khermans_> MorphDK, try compiling from source
[08:10] <rwscold> arren should i try beryl or compiz (nobody is  in that cahnnel hah)
[08:10] <ArrenLex> firebird: yes; kubuntu is installed.
[08:10] <ArrenLex> rwscold: actually, there are 113 people in it.
[08:11] <rwscold> arren they all seem to be afk
[08:11] <MorphDK> khermans_, okay.. just thought of the easiness with a *.deb package..
[08:11] <capi> Hejsan
[08:11] <firebird619> ArrenLex: Ok, Thanks. The PC locked up again though. The mouse moves but everything else is locked. When I started the PC the borders of the windows were flickering off and on constantly.
[08:11] <Andruk> ianmacgreor: my window manager (metacity) is not working.  i have been trying to open a terminal and manually start it, but i cannot start a terminal
[08:11] <capi> Hello
[08:11] <khermans_> MorphDK, compiling from source is easy too!
[08:11] <rwscold> arren just thought u might have a suggestion
[08:12] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, yeah..... you did.
[08:12] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: Ok, my bad.. I didn't realise your wm wasn't working.
[08:12] <etern> ok, i need help with partitions acting weird after upgrading to efty
[08:12] <ArrenLex> rwcold: beryl is less stable but with more plugins, compiz is more stable but with less plugins. Beryl might be somewhat easier than compiz to install.
[08:12] <etern> anyone please?
[08:12] <BHSPitLappy> ianmacgregor, gnome-terminal won't start (it crashes while starting), so the solution is to MOVE the window? (into existence???)
[08:12] <rwscold> ok thanks arren
[08:12] <khermans_> etern, in what way?
[08:13] <khermans_> BHSPitLappy, i have seen that before, try rebooting -- i know thats not the answer you want to hear
[08:13] <khermans_> BHSPitLappy, i dont know the proper fix
[08:13] <ArrenLex> Andruk: press ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a virtual console. Log in as normal user. Run "metacity --display :0" and then press ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X. See if it helps.
[08:13] <mcquaid> Anyone else find it kind of annoying when features are removed with each upgrade?
[08:13] <Andruk> ianmacgregor: np...any other ideas?
[08:13] <etern> khermans_, i installed my main storage devices after installing efty, and now they are listed as NTFS partitions, though they were ext3 last night before upgrading
[08:14] <mcquaid> Shared folders lost a few features and so did users and groups
[08:14] <etern> installed as in physically installed
[08:14] <khermans_> etern, what does gparted say?
[08:14] <ArrenLex> mcquaid: perfect, easy, automatic ... choose one.
[08:14] <khermans_> etern, or fdisk ?
[08:14] <ArrenLex> one -> two * xD
[08:14] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: No, I don't use Metacity in gnome.. so can't help any further.
[08:14] <Andruk> ArrenLex: doesnt work
[08:14] <Andruk> np
[08:14] <mcquaid> heh
[08:15] <etern> khermans_, "HPFS/NTFS"
[08:15] <pibarnas> even with "build-essentials" installed I can't compile gtk-engine on edgy amd64! How can I do that?!
[08:15] <Andruk> ianmacgregor: np, thanks for your help!
[08:15] <mcquaid> how bout, if it ain't broke don't fix it
[08:15] <ArrenLex> Andruk: "doesn't work" is hard to troubleshoot. WHAT doesn't work?
[08:15] <khermans_> etern, is it REALLY ext3?
[08:15] <khermans_> etern, then just set the part type id
[08:15] <etern> khermans_, , yep
[08:15] <etern> 100%
[08:15] <BHSPitLappy> khermans_, err, it wasn't me...
[08:15] <khermans_> etern, fdisk /dev/hd? t 82
[08:16] <Andruk> ArrenLex: I apologize, when i click the terminal icon on the top panel bar, it appears to start up on the bottom panel bar, but the terminal never appears
[08:16] <khermans_> etern, sorry choose your patition numebr and set to type 83
[08:16] <ArrenLex> Andruk: did you follow my instructions?
[08:16] <Andruk> ArrenLex: yes
[08:16] <ArrenLex> Andruk: they do not include clicking any terminal icons. Where does this factor in?
[08:17] <^Gecko^> what the
[08:17] <etern> khermans_, sorry, how?
[08:17] <Andruk> ArrenLex: i tried your instructions, i tried clicking my launch icons, and neither of them worked
[08:17] <khermans_> etern, sudo fdisk /dev/hda
[08:17] <Andruk> ArrenLex: I apologize for not giving you all the information
[08:18] <ArrenLex> Andruk: did you get any errors when you ran "metacity --display :0"?
[08:18] <KenSentMe> Since a few days (edgy update) i get an error when i start Ubuntu: [17179577.968000]  usb 1-1: device descriptor read/all, error -71. Any ideas where i should look for solving it?
[08:18] <BHSPitLappy> heh, that's hilarious
[08:18] <Deaigo> i have a usb hdd mounted
[08:18] <Deaigo> i run a php script
[08:18] <Andruk> ArrenLex: I didn't get that far, i cannot launch a virtual terminal
[08:18] <khermans_> KenSentMe, does it matter to startup?
[08:18] <Andruk> lol
[08:18] <timfrost> Andruk: can you go to a text window (CTRL-ALT-F1), log in, and check whether metacity is actually running.  ' ps ax | grep metacity' should report something like ' 7422 ?        Ss     1:08 /usr/bin/metacity --sm-client-id=default0'
[08:19] <Deaigo> but then all of a sudden the whole disk is read-only
[08:19] <Deaigo> !!!!
[08:19] <Fracture> is it possible to install edgy into a lvm root partition ? it's not working for me.
[08:19] <Rothguard> Edgy Eft here i come
[08:19] <ArrenLex> Andruk: I don't think you followed them very well. You seem to be confused about what a virtual terminal is. I didn't ask you to launch a terminal emulator.
[08:19] <KenSentMe> khermans_: what do you mean? It looks like my startup hangs a bit at this point
[08:19] <ArrenLex> Andruk: read carefully: press ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a virtual console. Log in as normal user. Run "metacity --display :0" and then press ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to X. See if it helps.
[08:19] <Andruk> why do you guys not understand this?  when i try to open a virtual terminal or click my terminal launch icon, nothing happens.  i cannot get into terminal
[08:20] <Andruk> ArrenLex: I am pressing that.  I can do that.  ;-)
[08:20] <khermans_> Andruk, i told you to try rebooting -- because i saw this before -- and dont know the proper fix
[08:20] <ianmacgregor> Andruk: Nothing happens when you press CTRL+ATL+F1?
[08:20] <ArrenLex> Andruk: because the only possible way ctrl+alt+f1 won't make anything happen is if your system is frozen.
[08:20] <Andruk> no
[08:20] <etern> khermans_, now what?
[08:20] <Andruk> well, i can move the mouse
[08:20] <rm_you> anyone know how to make the standard ubuntu boot screens come back after I installed kubuntu-desktop? >_>
[08:20] <ArrenLex> Andruk: if this is the case, then alt+sysrq+s,alt+sysrq+u,alt+sysrq+b to reboot.
[08:20] <Andruk> ill try rebooting
[08:21] <khermans_> type p
[08:21] <khermans_> etern, fdisk is useful for changing partiton settings
[08:21] <Andruk> rebooting...
[08:21] <Andruk> lol
[08:22] <babo> anyone know where I can ask a voip/sip question ?
[08:22] <etern> khermans_, ok, but how do i change it.. none of the commands says exactly "change partitions settings"
[08:22] <khermans_> etern, t
[08:22] <nothlit> ArrenLex, lol i've had ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+backspace not work with X frozen but sshing into the machine till worked
[08:22] <khermans_> etern, then enter partition number you want, followed by 83
[08:23] <etern> khermans_, ok, so i just type t 83 now? did i understand you correctly? :)
[08:23] <Chippy> nothlit: that happened to me all the time while getting beryl up and working
[08:23] <ArrenLex> nothlit: at that point, I would just say "system is down" and reboot =P
[08:23] <Andruk> yes, my system was definitely not frozen, i just couldnt do anything
[08:23] <khermans_> etern, t -> ??? -> 83
[08:23] <nothlit> ArrenLex, its still rescue-able XD! you can preserve your precious uptime lol
[08:24] <khermans_> etern, i can't magically determine what partition should be type 83 from across the internet for you
[08:24] <ArrenLex> nothlit: not my precious uptime, I turn my computer off when I don't need it. xD
[08:24] <khermans_> etern, dump the current layout with 'p'
[08:24] <nothlit> ArrenLex, :O lool
[08:24] <ArrenLex> alex@ubuntu:/tmp/gnash$ uptime
[08:24] <ArrenLex>  00:24:27 up
[08:24] <ArrenLex> Oooooh. Aaaah. =P
[08:24] <ArrenLex> 2:40
[08:24] <ArrenLex> *can paste* xD
[08:24] <Andruk> very nice
[08:24] <Andruk> lol
[08:25] <ArrenLex> Which reminds me, I was compiling gnash...
[08:25] <ArrenLex> I kind of forgot. xD
[08:25] <Andruk> well hallelujah
[08:25] <Andruk> seems a simple reboot did the trick...now lest try ctrl+alt+f1
[08:25] <Brutally_Murdere> hey
[08:25] <khermans_> Andruk, didn'ti tell you that like an hour ago?
[08:26] <lg> hello
[08:26] <troopa> Has anyone else got the error in 6.10 while trying to install where X fails and just says "no screens found".
[08:26] <ArrenLex> !hi
[08:26] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[08:26] <lg> i am trying to install compiz on a t42
[08:26] <troopa> It looks like a bunch of directories are missing.
[08:26] <ArrenLex> troopa: you're using the wrong driver, then.
[08:26] <ArrenLex> troopa: or that.
[08:26] <lg> what does it mean when apt give: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[08:26] <lg> ?
[08:26] <ArrenLex> troopa: what happens if you try apt-get install xserver-xorg x-window-system-core
[08:26] <Andruk> khermans_: you prolly did, but i was too busy trying to ctrl+alt+f1
[08:26] <khermans_> lg, apt is in use by another process
[08:26] <Flannel> lg: it means you should close whatever other package managers youre running and try again
[08:26] <troopa> I can't acces anything.
[08:26] <ArrenLex> lg: it means you're trying to use apt-get as a normal user.
[08:26] <rm_you> lg: either you aren't root, or another package manager is running >_>
[08:26] <ArrenLex> lg: use root.
[08:27] <troopa> I am trying to install Ubuntu when this happens.
[08:27] <Andruk> khermans_ sorry ;-)
[08:27] <lg> but im not running any other?
[08:27] <ArrenLex> troopa ... oh.
[08:27] <lg> ..
[08:27] <troopa> It happens shortly after selecting the first option in the boot menu after I boot from the CD.
[08:27] <lg> i think
[08:27] <towsonu2003> troopa, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop might fix the issue
[08:27] <ArrenLex> troopa: what video card do you have?
[08:27] <khermans_> lg, if not coule be left over, delete it and retry
[08:27] <troopa> tow: How could I get a terminal to issue the command?
[08:27] <ArrenLex> lg: superuser.
[08:27] <rm_you> lg: are you running apt as root? (sudo or from a root console)
[08:27] <etern> khermans_, so if it is "hdb1" i should do "t hdb1 83"?
[08:27] <troopa> ArrenLex: Ati Radeon X700
[08:28] <ArrenLex> troopa: how new is that?
[08:28] <khermans_> etern, no fdisk is interactive
[08:28] <troopa> I looked at the X output and it detects my card alright.
[08:28] <lg> yes, typed sudo :) already figured that :)
[08:28] <khermans_> etern, sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[08:28] <towsonu2003> troopa, once X spits you out, it should throw you to a terminal. but you can also hit alt+ctrl+f1 and login there
[08:28] <ArrenLex> troopa: oh. That's weird, I don't know, then.
[08:28] <lg> so i just need to add: deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ edgy aiglx-edgy main-edgy to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[08:28] <etern> khermans_, already did that, now it says "Command (m for help):"
[08:29] <khermans_> etern, yes no type p
[08:29] <troopa> tow: This happens while I am trying to install ubuntu.
[08:29] <khermans_> etern, 'p'
[08:29] <Andruk> ArrenLex, khermans_, ianmacgregor, BHSPitLappy, nothlit, Chippy, timfrost, ^Gecko^    thank you
[08:29] <troopa> So I wouldn't even have an account to log into.
[08:29] <etern> khermans_, p, got it
[08:29] <ArrenLex> troopa: you can always install ubuntu in text mode if you want...
[08:29] <lg> khermans_: delete what?
[08:29] <khermans_> lg,  the lock file
[08:29] <ArrenLex> Andruk: not sure how I helped but you're welcome! :)
[08:29] <khermans_> etern, now see which are marked NTFS
[08:29] <jerome__> hi. X crash on my laptop when I close the display, trying to suspend (with Edgy). THis used to work at least once in a while before. Where do I report the bug ? I cannot find which package to report the issue in launchpad, Bugs links is always greyed out...
[08:30] <troopa> Arren: The only options I get are Install Ubuntu, Install in safe graphical mode, verify cd , test memory and boot from hard disk.
[08:30] <kraut> moin
[08:30] <Lynoure> troopa: I think the screen thing is a known bug, at least it is for X600...
[08:30] <etern> khermans_, it lists nothing, only disk size and heads, cylinders and stuff
[08:30] <troopa> Lynoure: Any known workarounds?
[08:30] <ArrenLex> troopa: yes. You'll have to download the alternate CD to install in text mode.
[08:30] <khermans_> etern, so no partitions are defined?
[08:30] <Zer0Ry0k0> jerome__: did you install your videocard drivers?  just making sure
[08:30] <etern> khermans_, guess not, there was before i started fdisk
[08:31] <lg> deleted the file, now i get: GPG error: http://xgl.compiz.info edgy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
[08:31] <khermans_> etern, dont think so
[08:31] <Andruk> ArrenLex: trying is half the battle.  and you were willing to deal with my frequent inadeqate responses.
[08:31] <towsonu2003> troopa, the livecd also have the alt+ctrl+f1 thing like an installed system
[08:31] <MorphDK> okay, I installed Gaim 2.0.0b4 from source - it stille doesn't work, so how do I remove the files again?
[08:31] <lg> and the same message about the lock file
[08:31] <khermans_> etern, fdisk only writes changes if you use the 'w' command
[08:31] <etern> khermans_,  it said "/dev/hdb1   *           1        9732    78172258+   7  HPFS/NTFS" now its empty
[08:31] <Lynoure> troopa: hmm, it's this bug I thought of: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/35601
[08:31] <nothlit> Andruk, lol what were you trying to fix again ?
[08:31] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: define "doesn't work".
[08:31] <MorphDK> ArrenLex, can't connect to MSN via HTTP..
[08:32] <ArrenLex> I've always thought the topic for every help channel should contain "DOESN'T WORK IS NOT SUFFICIENT" in capital letters...
[08:32] <jerome__> Zer0Ry0k0: I think I have my drivers... Otherwise how could I be able to boot ?
[08:32] <nothlit> MorphDK,  make uninstall
[08:32] <_array> I just apt-get install gcc but it didn't do any of the #include libraries, is there a package for these?
[08:32] <jerome__> Zer0Ry0k0: (into X)
[08:32] <towsonu2003> troopa, but in the liveCD, as long as you are sure the CD is not corrupt, issue sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and choose vesa when it asks you to choose a driver. then I think startx should start X for you. have a look at the bug link Lynoure sent above though.
[08:32] <MorphDK> nothlit, nice one ;) thank you
[08:32] <nothlit> _array,  aptitude install build-essentials
[08:32] <khermans_> _array, what libe?
[08:32] <lg> i get the feeling i am doing something wrong...
[08:32] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: works for me in beta 3.
[08:32] <lg> something with the keys
[08:32] <_array> nothlit: thanks buddy :)
[08:33] <lg> do i need to add anythign else other then the line in /etc/apt/sources/list
[08:33] <vpol> http://static.flickr.com/96/281193199_519775b141.jpg?v=0
[08:33] <MorphDK> ArrenLex, what server settings are you using?
[08:33] <jerome__> Here's the X crash stack trace: http://pastebin.ca/230389 It doesn't seem driver specific...
[08:33] <nothlit> _array, sorry its essential without the s
[08:33] <towsonu2003> vpol, hehehe (he's not gonna like that)
[08:34] <_array> nothlit: Okay awesome, that worked
[08:34] <elhaxxorz> I know this does not belong on here, but can someone direct me to somewhere i can get help on epsxe in ubuntu?
[08:34] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: messenger.hotmail.com, 1863, use HTTP method
[08:34] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, you need the BIOS bin?
[08:34] <Zer0Ry0k0> jerome__: do you have a nVidia video card?
[08:34] <ArrenLex> , use global proxy settings
[08:34] <timfrost> _array you also need to install the build-deps for the package
[08:34] <jerome__> Zer0Ry0k0: yes...
[08:34] <MorphDK> doesn't work :(
[08:34] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, no, i can't select my control pad plugin
[08:35] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: anything unusual about your setup?
[08:35] <khermans_> _array, if it fails during ./configure or make, you need the *-dev files
[08:35] <Zer0Ry0k0> you should read this page... lemme find it
[08:35] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, every time i do, it crashes when i click on ext game pad
[08:35] <khermans_> _array, if it fails during linking, you need the lib* files
[08:35] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, latest version?
[08:35] <elhaxxorz> yeah
[08:35] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, dunno
[08:36] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, can i give you the output?
[08:36] <jerome__> Zer0Ry0k0: there a page on the wiki: NvidiaLaptop... something but as I said, suspend used to work on 6.06. Now X crashes. That's bad.
[08:36] <MorphDK> ArrenLex, no it's a default 6.10 install..
[08:36] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, try
[08:36] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: I meant about your network.
[08:36] <elhaxxorz> plugins/libcdrmooby-2.8.so: undefined symbol: XftDrawSetClip khermans_
[08:36] <aum> what a way to be forced to upgrade from dapper to edgy! suspend2 messing up and almost destroying my main partition, just barely managed to backup my homedir before the partition flaked completely
[08:36] <MorphDK> ArrenLex, oh yes, port 80 and 443 is the only port I'm allowed to use..
[08:37] <totall_6_7> does anyone know of a good download manager that will split downloads
[08:37] <Zer0Ry0k0> jerome__: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:37] <MorphDK> ArrenLex, but that worked fine in gaim 1.x
[08:37] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: well that would be it, then!
[08:37] <ArrenLex> Hmm. I don't know.
[08:37] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: If you've installed from source, ask for help on #gaim. They're a very helpful bunch provided you're patient.
[08:38] <ArrenLex> MorphDK: Make sure to start with the fact that your network is unusual!
[08:38] <nacer> hi someone know about use 1 keyboard with 2pc ?
[08:38] <MorphDK> ArrenLex, okay..
[08:38] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, sudo aptitude install libxft1 libxft2
[08:38] <elhaxxorz> nacer, kvm
[08:38] <nacer> elhaxxorz, not kvm
[08:38] <Zer0Ry0k0> nacer: Get a KVM switch
[08:38] <nacer> software way
[08:38] <troopa> Is it possible to edit my xorg.conf durring installation?
[08:38] <Flannel> nacer: SSH/XDMCP
[08:39] <nacer> nop
[08:39] <troopa> Or will I have to download another CD (since I don't even have it installed to access anything)
[08:39] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, done
[08:39] <nacer> its a way to connect to xfree with etwork like dualscreen
[08:39] <Zer0Ry0k0> nacer: I don't see how you could do it through software
[08:39] <towsonu2003> troopa, no, you can either modify the xorg.conf of the liveCD sesiion while it's runing, or that of your installed system...
[08:39] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, try running again
[08:39] <nacer> 2 xfree
[08:39] <ArrenLex> troopa: it doesn't boot even in safe graphics mode?
[08:39] <troopa> Nope.
[08:39] <Zer0Ry0k0> nacer: yeah, the only way would be to connect through the terminal stuff
[08:39] <elhaxxorz> same
[08:39] <Flannel> nacer: that's XDMCP
[08:40] <nacer> Flannel, a i dont think its xdmcp
[08:40] <nacer> Flannel, its more low level
[08:40] <troopa> X won't start, at all. I am using the 6.10 release (64-bit)
[08:40] <nacer> in xfree
[08:40] <troopa> I just downloaded it tonight.
[08:40] <towsonu2003> troopa, what exactly happens when you hit ctrl+alt+f1 after X failed to start?
[08:40] <bahadir> goodmorning all
[08:40] <bahadir> I got a small q
[08:40] <ArrenLex> Wow. I haven't seen the word "xfree" in so long. Oh, the memories...
[08:40] <bahadir> I need to delete all emails of a user
[08:40] <jerome__> Zer0Ry0k0: thanks but I passed that step long time ago... I am now only searching how to report the crash. I cannot seem to report it on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/i386/x11-common/1:7.1.1ubuntu6 so where should I report it ?
[08:40] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, you restarted epsxe?
[08:40] <elhaxxorz> yeah
[08:40] <Flannel> nacer: we haven't used Xfree since Warty, just so you know.
[08:40] <bahadir> cld you pls tell me how can I empty the store folder
[08:40] <bahadir> ?
[08:40] <bahadir> postfix
[08:40] <troopa> tow: Will that even work considering this all happens *before* I can install Ubuntu?
[08:40] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, is this package installed ? psemu-drive-cdrmooby
[08:41] <elhaxxorz> it crashes and that is that i get, khermans_
[08:41] <rwscold> !xgl
[08:41] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL)  -  Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager  -  Help in #ubuntu-xgl  -  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:41] <Zer0Ry0k0> jerome__: ah,  =)   I'm still learning also, so I don't know the rest of what you need to know
[08:41] <troopa> 1. Burned ISO 2. Booted 3. Selected to Install 4. X failed to load
[08:41] <nacer> Flannel, i want to say xfree or xorg :)
[08:41] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, no can i use apt to get it
[08:41] <KenSentMe> How can i run a certain command in another language (e.g. english) for debugging?
[08:41] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, yes
[08:41] <nacer> i am a old men i continue to say xfree for X
[08:41] <etern> khermans_, if i do "for i in /dev/[hs] d[a-z] ; do sudo fdisk -l $i; done" in the terminal it lists the NTFS partitions, but in fdisk it lists nothing on the disks
[08:41] <Flannel> nacer: right, but they're different.  And, if you already know what you want, why are you asking about it?
[08:42] <rwscold> HEy anyone here how can i make sure xgl is running before i try and install beryl?
[08:42] <nacer> Flannel, i know its exist but dont remember the name
[08:42] <ianmacgregor> Flannel: /me smells a troll
[08:42] <towsonu2003> troopa, yes, the liveCD acts like an installed ubuntu system
[08:42] <khermans_> etern, try cfdisk
[08:42] <towsonu2003> troopa, pls type my whole nick, that's how your mesages get flagged for me to see easier
[08:42] <troopa> I don't have a LiveCD.
[08:43] <troopa> Nor do I wish to download one if I can avoid it.
[08:43] <^Gecko^> yeah
[08:43] <etern> khermans_, cfdisk ?? or just cfdisk?
[08:43] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, still the same
[08:43] <towsonu2003> troopa, I'm a little confused... which cd are you trying to use to install?
[08:43] <nothlit_> troopa, sometimes people have huge issues with installation simply because the download or the burning processing wasn't perfect, did you md5hash and verify your disk?
[08:43] <Flannel> troopa: you have the Desktop CD, right?  that's a liveCD
[08:43] <khermans_> etern, sounds weird
[08:43] <troopa> I verified the CD using the option from the bootmenu.
[08:43] <khermans_> etern, is this a laptop?
[08:43] <troopa> It had 0 checksums fail
[08:44] <khermans_> etern, are there any weird hidden partions, like a restore partition?
[08:44] <^Gecko^> I installed the nvidia binary driver, ran sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:44] <^Gecko^> restarted x
[08:44] <troopa> I use ubuntu-6.10-desktop-64
[08:44] <etern> khermans_, nope, but hey, you seem to be a little busy now, this could wait a while and i'll check back later, thanks for trying anyway :)
[08:44] <^Gecko^> and it crashed x with some error saying it can't find the device
[08:44] <khermans_> etern, is it a thinkpad with pre-boot area
[08:44] <timfrost> KenSentMe: try 'LANG=en <command>'
[08:44] <towsonu2003> troopa, desktop cd is the same as a liveCD
[08:44] <SoftIce> hello, please can somebody tell me if im on edgy how do I downgrade php
[08:45] <SoftIce> or do I have to install from source?
[08:45] <Flannel> SoftIce: downgrade to what?
[08:45] <AdamKili> !restricted
[08:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:45] <troopa> Well, when I boot up all I see are options to install. So, wait for X to fail again (for installation) and press ctrl+alt+F1?
[08:45] <SoftIce> Flannel: earlier version of php5
[08:45] <SoftIce> not 5.1 it has major issues with alot of my apps
[08:45] <towsonu2003> troopa, yes
[08:45] <khermans_> etern, gparted does it in a GUI
[08:45] <troopa> Alright, when I do that what should happen?
[08:45] <towsonu2003> troopa, then login at the screen you are presented with and then type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:45] <^Gecko^> wow there are a lot of users in here
[08:45] <khermans_> SoftIce, you could pin the version with apt
[08:46] <troopa> Alright.
[08:46] <towsonu2003> troopa, when it asks you to choose a driver, select vesa
[08:46] <SoftIce> khermans_ I cant find jus version 5
[08:46] <towsonu2003> troopa, when all is done, restart x with the command startx
[08:46] <Flannel> SoftIce: then you'll need to compile from source, yeah.  5.1 was in Dapper too, you know
[08:46] <khermans_> SoftIce, use the source
[08:46] <^Gecko^> I feel lucky I was able to get xwindows working again nwithout having to reinstall from scratch
[08:46] <towsonu2003> troopa, this should fix the liveCD. once the system installs, you may have to do the same thing after booting to your *installed* system -done -hope this helps
[08:46] <^Gecko^> which wouldn't have been that big of a deal
[08:47] <silentdis> hello
[08:47] <troopa> Thanks for the help.
[08:47] <troopa> Sorry for the confusion. I will give this a shot.
[08:47] <^Gecko^> troopa: you'll have to press enter and tab>enter a lot when you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:47] <^Gecko^> but you'll be able to choose whatver driver you need, and resolution too
[08:47] <towsonu2003> troopa, you're most welcome, hope it fixes the issue -don't forget to check the bug report link someone posted a little above
[08:48] <noelferreira> hi people, who can help me with rt61 wireless driver in edgy?
[08:48] <^Gecko^> oops
[08:49] <Milchmann> can anybody name a html-editor for gnome where I can do both source-code editing & wysiwyg? i tried quanta but didn't like it
[08:49] <towsonu2003> Milchmann, nvu
[08:49] <Milchmann> thx
[08:49] <noelferreira> help with rt61 wireless driver please!
[08:49] <towsonu2003> :)
[08:50] <mnepton> Milchmann: Amaya?
[08:50] <silentdis> help!  fresh install of dapper, all patches applied.  installed the nvidia-glx driver, enabled it, reconfigured x to use it, and rebooted.  X won't start now, and gives a "no screens found" error in the logs.  what am I doing wrong?
[08:50] <Milchmann> thx, will try that one too
[08:50] <^Gecko^> silentdis: i got the same error
[08:50] <nothlit_> towsonu2003, wouldn't sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart be better than startx, i assume he will normally use a login manager
[08:50] <^Gecko^> silentdis: in a console type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:51] <towsonu2003> Milchmann, amaya may be better -nvu has problems with standards
[08:51] <towsonu2003> nothlit_, I'm not sure... startx is a habit of mine due to slackware
[08:51] <nothlit_> ^Gecko^, what about nvidia-xconfig
[08:52] <elhaxxorz> khermans_, anything else i can do?
[08:52] <nothlit_> towsonu2003, ahh
[08:52] <^Gecko^> uhm
[08:52] <Milchmann> ok, thank you both. most the time i only need the wysiwyg part for inserting large texts
[08:52] <khermans_> elhaxxorz, no messages before it?
[08:52] <^Gecko^> nothlit_: it said I needed to restart x to use the driver, but x wouldn't reload
[08:52] <nothlit_> towsonu2003, i practice not using that just in case for some reason i'm logged in as root
[08:52] <silentdis> Gecko_: i went through the xserver reconfig, chose 'nvidia' as the driver.  same problem.
[08:52] <^Gecko^> I didn't see nvidia-xconfig until after i reconfigured x
[08:52] <elhaxxorz> no, the app crashes out to the bash shell that i started the program from
[08:52] <babo> my microphone sound doens't seem to be working with my xten softphone ...
[08:52] <towsonu2003> nothlit_, ubuntu doesn't have root :p
[08:52] <towsonu2003> ;)
[08:52] <nothlit_> towsonu2003, yes i know
[08:53] <babo> I can't run the microphone diagnostic successfully. Can anyone offer any advice ?
[08:53] <yoges1> hullo, am a newbie plzz help running me mp3 files
[08:53] <boink> !ask
[08:53] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:53] <Flannel> !mp3 | yoges1
[08:53] <ubotu> yoges1: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:53] <nothlit_> towsonu2003, but you could alway use sudo su or sudo -i or enable the root account and its just good practice in terms of how i work ^^
[08:53] <noelferreira> rt61 driver anyone?
[08:53] <boink> you just want to play mp3 files?
[08:53] <boink> that's simple enuf .. just install the right software
[08:54] <elhaxxorz> nothlit_, you can even do sudo -s
[08:54] <reon> How do you run an application from the terminal so it returns the terminal to you when the app is started ???
[08:54] <patrick_king> !ipod
[08:54] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[08:54] <Flannel> reon: put a & afterwards
[08:54] <nothlit_> elhaxxorz, oh yeah ^^
[08:54] <boink> reon: you mean "&" ?
[08:54] <elhaxxorz> old habit from gentoo :)
[08:54] <boink> like firefox &
[08:55] <mikeymike-linux> so like.... my emerald theme manager is wiggin out and the title bars keep flashing and carp. plz fix kthnx :D
[08:55] <nothlit_> elhaxxorz, really? i didnt really get sudo working in gentoo.. the profile was wrong or smth so i couldn't do things like updatedb and eupdatedb
[08:55] <silentdis> brb...  gonna try something...
[08:55] <mikeymike-linux> im not sure why its happening..... i notice it happens when i maximize windows in gaim
[08:55] <ArrenLex> mikeymike-linux: ...beryl?
[08:55] <reon> Flannel, thx i just figured it out myself, remembered from unix
[08:55] <mikeymike-linux> ArrenLex, yup
[08:56] <reon> Flannel, Thx
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> dapper drake
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> xgl
[08:56] <ArrenLex> mikeymike-linux: radeon?
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> nope
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> nvidia :)
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> perhaps my nvidia is out of date?
[08:56] <TubaSoldier> I just got done recompiling a new kernel because of timing issues with my laptop. How do i change the kernel path so it points to /usr/src/ instead of my home directory, where i configured and compiled it?
[08:56] <ArrenLex> mikeymike-linux: whichever. I had that problem too. Beryl's still alpha software, I guess it's buggy.
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> ArrenLex, yeah i think thats probably why
[08:56] <ArrenLex> mikeymike-linux: they will be better able to help you with beryl problems on #ubuntu-xgl
[08:56] <noelferreira> peoplo rt61 wireless driver please need help
[08:56] <elhaxxorz> nothlit_, the configuring fro sudo sucks, but i miss the speed that i got. Ubuntu has it hands down in ease of use. I use Gentoo for work, but I am using Ubuntu to try and bring my gf over to Linux. Cedega has been huge in that, nbut it wont run the Sims 2 for her :(
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> ah okay
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> that exists now......
[08:56] <mikeymike-linux> lol
[08:57] <mikeymike-linux> this xgl beryl/compiz stuff is going crazy......
[08:57] <mikeymike-linux> its insane
[08:57] <elhaxxorz> mikeymike-linux, it IS experimental ^^
[08:57] <coz_> mikeymike-linux, yes it is
[08:57] <mikeymike-linux> its taking off
[08:57] <mikeymike-linux> like a rocket
[08:57] <mikeymike-linux> thank god for Novell
[08:57] <mikeymike-linux> :D
[08:58] <^Gecko^> brb, maybe
[08:58] <mikeymike-linux> perhaps this will be the new face of linux?
[08:58] <coz_> mikeymike-linux, cool stuff
[08:58] <silentdis> aargh, still no go.  anyone have any ideas?
[08:58] <Mojo> I have a 24" Dell Monitor, but I can't get the resolution right even if I only put 1920x1200 in xorg.conf.  The "System-> Preferences -> Screen Resolution" only lets me go up to 1280x800.  Anyone know how to get it right?
[08:58] <elhaxxorz> linux has many faces