[00:06] <myscithaman> which adober flash do i need for xubuntu?
[00:11] <GeissT> Generally, the Linux one for your architecture (32 or 64 bit)
[00:11] <myscithaman> look on the following website, please check drop down list, isnt one of those good for xubuntu?  http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
[00:12] <GeissT> Xubuntu is Linux yes? Then choose the linux one.
[00:12] <GeissT> APT is your preferred.
[00:12] <myscithaman> thank you
[00:12] <GeissT> Welcome.
[00:12] <knome> well the preferred one is from the repositories
[00:16] <GeissT> knome: Agreed, but as myscithaman asked about the website I thought it best to point him/her there. 'sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer' will work too myscithaman
[00:16] <myscithaman> knome, how do i get my firefox to run all kinds of vids and java and well, be media friendly?  I am testing out this xubuntu, and it looks great, but it just crached the software center and said there is no flash plugin.
[00:17] <xubuntu541> hi, I'm having troubles with my time setting on the top panel of my xubuntu. I go into time and date and set the time with my password and everything, but it always wants to go back an hour the next time I log in. In other words, it won't stay set. How do I fix it?
[00:17] <myscithaman> thanks, i'll do that one
[00:17] <myscithaman> brb
[00:17] <GeissT> xubuntu541 have you tried any solutions from here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1858354
[00:18] <GeissT> Sometimes the GUI can be a little clanky :)
[00:18] <knome> myscithaman, i would suggest installing the "xubuntu-restricted-extras" package
[00:18] <knome> myscithaman, that will install the flash plugin as well as other things you might want, like an mp3 codec
[00:18] <xubuntu541> no   o.k. this site will help with my time setting?
[00:19] <GeissT> xubuntu541: It should do, if not we can try something else.
[00:19] <xubuntu541> o.k. I'll try it  thanks
[00:19] <GeissT> You're welcome
[00:21] <myscithaman> cntrl alt T doesnt work :-(
[00:21] <myscithaman> what is going to make it work ? :(
[00:22] <myscithaman> oh, super t yaya, something new :)
[00:24] <GeissT> xubuntu541: if that didn't work, this can also be a solution (http://askubuntu.com/questions/232592/xubuntu-12-04-wrong-time-change-system-language)
[00:27] <xubuntu541> o.k. so at that site, they say to go to time and date and let it load up the internet connection for setting the time. Is that o.k. on xubuntu?
[00:28] <bazhang> sure
[00:29] <xubuntu541> bazhang  are you saying "sure" to me?
[00:36] <myscithaman> xubuntu is pretty good, but the restricted extras still did not let the cnn play the vid
[00:49] <SunStar> try installing totem and all its extras, rhythembox n its extras n vvlc
[00:49] <SunStar> one of those should fix it
[00:52] <knome> most probably not.
[00:53] <lderan> is there a way to stop notifications from appearing on both my screens?
[00:54] <knome> pleia2, look at the same url
[00:54] <knome> pleia2, re: bar/session photo, you can decide
[00:55] <pleia2> ok
[00:55] <knome> oops :)
[00:55] <pleia2> knome!
[02:00] <star5gyhujklp9i8> i was using a 32 bit on 64 amd 64 bit system lol no wonder everything wasnt working right i have amd 64 bit copy of xubuntu 12.10 now i have audio and my docky is working right
[02:01] <ball> Is docky the poppy-up thing at the bottom of my screen?
[02:01] <star5gyhujklp9i8> yes
[02:01] <ball> Is there a way to permanently remove that?
[02:02] <lderan> hover over it
[02:02] <lderan> right click and remove from panel, when you're hovering over the grey bit
[02:03] <star5gyhujklp9i8> all you have to do go to software center to delete it  i think
[02:03] <lderan> or not, weird
[02:03] <ball> Can I make the whole panel go away and never come back?
[02:04] <pleia2> ball: under panel preferences the big red - sign is to remove it
[02:04] <lderan> ah ha found it
[02:04] <lderan> thats it
[02:04] <star5gyhujklp9i8> i like myself lol
[02:04] <pleia2> (that will fully delete it, you can't get it back)
[02:04] <ball> Great, thanks!
[02:04] <star5gyhujklp9i8> it*
[02:05] <ball> I'll add that to my list of things to fix whenever I install Xubuntu
[02:05] <Unit193> ball: It's actually just xfce4-panel.
[02:06] <ball> Unit193: I was going to ask whether that was an Xfce thing or something Xubuntu-specific.
[02:06] <star5gyhujklp9i8> plz tell me are they going to fix the error in raring ringtail xubuntu when youadd files to k3b
[02:07] <star5gyhujklp9i8> add*
[02:07] <Unit193> ball: It's Xubuntu, but it's only using the xfce4-panel.
[02:07] <star5gyhujklp9i8> oaky
[02:07]  * ball nods
[02:07] <ball> Someone probably finds it useful.  Not everyone uses computers the way I do.
[02:07] <Unit193> star5gyhujklp9i8: No idea, k3b is a KDE application, so you could just the Kubuntu release notes too when it's released.
[02:08] <Unit193> ball: Indeed, indeed.  Everyone (should) have their own setup instructions. :)
[02:08] <star5gyhujklp9i8> i love xubuntu 12.10
[02:08] <star5gyhujklp9i8> raring ringtail is just a maintence os
[02:08] <ball> I don't even know what version this is.  It's getting wiped tonight but I'll probably install it on another disk in the same computer.
[02:09] <ball> I'm doing some disk-juggling
[02:09] <star5gyhujklp9i8> okay
[02:10] <star5gyhujklp9i8> i dont do that . im happy with my hp 6 dandelion breeze
[02:10] <star5gyhujklp9i8> i just recently replaced my hard drive too'
[02:14] <ball> No idea what a "Dandelion Breeze" is.
[02:18] <pleia2> the internet tells me it's a pretty laptop with dandelions on it :)
[02:23] <shape> Hi, anyone have any suggestions for fixing HD video tearing in Xubuntu? most fixes on the wikis recommend CCSM (which I have tried regardless anyway), and i have already been through 6 nvidia drivers.
[02:25] <n-iCe> hi
[02:37] <star5gyhujklp9i8> how to get single mp3s for free in xubuntu 12.10
[02:38] <Unit193> You can use http://www.jamendo.com/, but that's a little out of scope for here.
[02:38] <ball> star5gyhujklp9i8: how is that a Xubuntu question?
[02:39] <star5gyhujklp9i8> well im using xbuntu
[02:39] <Unit193> Sure, but it isn't an Xubuntu question.
[02:39] <star5gyhujklp9i8> what channel to got o
[02:39] <ball> I use Xubuntu, what kind of roof should I buy for my house?
[02:40] <star5gyhujklp9i8> lol i see your point'
[02:40] <Unit193> ball: Blue.
[02:43] <star5gyhujklp9i8> how can i get my revolving wallpaper to stay changing .  i got it set to image list and i set it to1 min.  it doesnt stay changing
[02:43] <ball> Thanks Unit193. :-)
[02:43] <star5gyhujklp9i8> im running 12.10
[02:44] <xubuntu833> I',m running 12.10 and it's bored, it's best mac or windows :/
[02:45] <xubuntu833> Alguien habla español. ?
[02:45] <ball> xubuntu833: do you mean it's bored or that it's boring?
[02:45] <ball> (that you find it boring?)
[02:45] <star5gyhujklp9i8> my wallpaper does not want to change after i add my pics to image list
[02:45] <xubuntu833> bored :c
[02:45] <xubuntu833> its bored
[02:45] <ball> I don't think that makes any sense in English
[02:46] <Unit193> xubuntu833: Let it play tick tack toe?  Can you restate your question using different words?
[02:47] <xubuntu833> nobody speack spanish ?
[02:47] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu833
[02:47] <n-iCe> xubuntu833: dime
[02:47] <star5gyhujklp9i8> WE SPEAK ENGLISH
[02:48] <n-iCe> xubuntu833: dime qué pasó?
[02:48] <star5gyhujklp9i8> I DONT SPEAK SPANISH
[02:49] <Unit193> star5gyhujklp9i8: Calm down, he's talking to the person that does.
[02:50] <star5gyhujklp9i8> HEY UNIT 193 CAN YOU HELP ME WITH MY WALLPAPER PROBLEM
[02:50] <Unit193> !caps | star5gyhujklp9i8
[02:51] <Unit193> star5gyhujklp9i8: You're seeing this?  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=140843
[02:51] <star5gyhujklp9i8> i cannot get my wallpaper to change very well and ive add them to image list
[02:52] <Unit193> It's not made to switch like that, as far as I can tell.
[02:53] <Unit193> You could use something like wally or use crontab to reload xfwm4.
[03:04] <n-iCe> guys
[03:04] <n-iCe> I think my fans are not working
[03:04] <n-iCe> How can I check it?
[03:04] <n-iCe> laptop gets really hot since I installed xubuntu
[03:05] <n-iCe> VGN-CR160F
[04:29] <sudoair_> anyone care to help a noob
[04:29] <holstein> sudoair_: just ask, and see if a volunteer can help
[04:30] <sudoair_> ok, so i'm trying to install xubuntu but my wired connection doesn't connect, it just keeps trying and then tells me its disconnected
[04:30] <sudoair_> so i'm trying to follow some of the fixes on here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968469
[04:30] <holstein> sudoair_: do you want to install? or connect the live CD to the internet?
[04:31] <sudoair_> i've already installed
[04:31] <holstein> sudoair_: i woulnt necessarily do both
[04:31] <sudoair_> without internet
[04:31] <holstein> sudoair_: ok.. so, youa re *not* trying to install xubuntu then, correct?
[04:31] <holstein> sudoair_: you *have* already installed?
[04:31] <sudoair_> correct
[04:31] <holstein> sudoair_: ok.. and the wired network is not working?
[04:31] <sudoair_> yes
[04:31] <holstein> sudoair_: are you sure the hardware is functional?
[04:32] <sudoair_> well, it has worked in the past
[04:32] <holstein> sudoair_: if you "hit a wall" with this, you might want to confirm the hardware is functional
[04:32] <holstein> sudoair_: have you checked the bios to see if its disabled there? open a terminal and run "lspci" and see if you see the NIC
[04:33] <sudoair_> i see PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
[04:34] <holstein> sudoair_: do you have another way to connect that is working?
[04:34] <sudoair_> no, all i have is a usb wireless adapter and it does not work without some effort
[04:35] <sudoair_> as in, getting ndiswrapper and some drivers
[04:35] <sudoair_> the ethernet was working just a couple hours ago
[04:35] <sudoair_> when i accidently installed the 32bit version of xubuntu
[04:35] <sudoair_> and now that i've installed the 64 bit, it no longer works
[04:35] <sudoair_> i was going to try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1968469 post #5
[04:36] <holstein> sudoair_: if this is a fresh install, i would just go back to the 32bit.. though, its likely you did 32bit one version and 64 another
[04:36] <sudoair_> but i can't install gedit
[04:36] <holstein> sudoair_: you can use nano instead of gedit
[04:36] <holstein> sudoair_: just install the 32bit...
[04:37] <holstein> sudoair_: if you want to try that "fix", use nano
[04:45] <sudoair_> thanks
[05:34] <martukas> recovering data from an encrypted xub volume has unraveled into an LVM problem. can anyone help me navigate this?
[05:37] <martukas> pvs gives me   /dev/mapper/encrypto1 xubuntu lvm2 a--   7.75g 32.00m which is correct, but if VG is 'xubuntu' then I should do lvdisplay /dev/xubuntu ? this one gives me references to my primary drive, not the one I'm after
[09:42] <greg_> hello,  i got a question: If I install the daily build today, and run apt-get upgrade on release date, will it then be like the real release? (with custom installed software)
[09:55] <baizon> greg_ yes
[11:08] <xubuntu884> this might seem a super stupid question but how do i install xubuntu from a cd or sd card to my HDD (got 8gb sd card and 800mb disc thats my only options)
[11:09] <baizon> xubuntu884: http://www.tecmint.com/xubuntu-12-10-desktop-quantal-quetzal-linux-installation-guide/
[11:10] <baizon> this is a guide for example
[11:17] <xubuntu884> baizon i get this message "unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[11:19] <bazhang> how did you write it
[11:20] <bazhang> if this is the hybrid iso ie 12.10 you have more options than before
[11:22] <xubuntu884> I just downloaded the iso and dragged and droped it on to the cd and then put cd in my pc and booted off it
[11:22] <bazhang> http://askubuntu.com/questions/197845/from-terminal-how-make-a-live-usb-for-all-distros-not-only-for-ubuntu  xubuntu884
[11:23] <bazhang> yeah drag and drop is not going to work
[11:23] <xubuntu884> what have you got to do then? :S
[11:23] <bekks> xubuntu884: So you created a data CD, containing just one file, the .iso - thats not supposed to be bootable-
[11:23] <bazhang> see the link above. you can dd it or even use cat
[11:24] <bazhang> pretty nifty that you can use cat these days
[11:24] <bazhang> read the link I posted above for you xubuntu884
[13:28] <xubuntu321> :-)
[13:29] <xubuntu321> morning
[13:43] <lderan> morning
[13:51] <cfhowlett> greetings
[14:56] <MySciThaMan> hey guys, i'll come back in a little while.
[15:15] <tadsq> hello
[15:15] <lderan_> hi
[15:17] <tadsq> someone know why fn+f9 dont work on xubuntu but is fine on ubuntu ?
[15:37] <myscithaman> hi guys, when i run the mint 14 xfce i get cnn working with video right off the bat.  why does it work and xubuntu doesn have it?  whats missing in xubuntu?  how can i make xubuntu do that?  I like xubuntu  and the set up, the color, the way things are laid out, i just need to be able to watch news vids etc etc
[15:46] <Myrtti> myscithaman: xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:49] <myscithaman> i tried that Myrtti it didnt work
[15:49] <Tm_T> myscithaman: what didn't work?
[15:49] <Myrtti> so what videos specifically do you want to watch, what encoding?
[15:49] <myscithaman> maybe it needed restart
[15:50] <Myrtti> and with what did you try to watch them?
[15:50] <myscithaman> i am trying something, but basically i want to be able to play browser vids, conn youtube etc etc, it doesnt play them, xubuntu says i need flash, btu then there is not flash installer in the software center, i will try the flashplugin-installer thing
[15:50] <myscithaman> cnn, i tried cnn
[15:51] <Myrtti> well you do need to restart the browser after installing flash
[15:52] <Myrtti> cnn is flash video
[16:16] <myscithaman> hey guys a little help getting flash to play on xubuntu??  http://pastebin.com/sL4AnYFL
[16:17] <myscithaman> the paste has what i have attempted so far... any ideas?
[16:22] <Myrtti> myscithaman: so your computer can't get the packages from the internet.
[16:23] <myscithaman> this is a live disk, is that why?
[16:24] <Myrtti> does the internet work otherwise?
[16:24] <myscithaman> yeah it is working
[16:24] <myscithaman> you think i should try it again?
[16:25] <Myrtti> well you could
[16:25] <myscithaman> i installed adobe flash through software center, and restared firefox, maybe this time
[16:27] <myscithaman> it seems to be working now
[16:29] <myscithaman> dark lightning radiation strikes?  cnn works, but really? lightning that gives you cacner in a second?  owell, hey thanks Myrtti
[16:34] <myscithaman> a debconf window keeps poping up and closing quickley. what is that? and the script keeps asking if it should keep running.  is that normal? i think it is an ad
[16:56] <semitones> hello peeps
[16:56] <semitones> hey you gusy
[16:56] <semitones> I am thinking of switching to xubuntu on my slowish laptop
[16:56] <semitones> and I've heard
[16:57] <Cheri703> semitones: ! welcome :) I've made the switch myself, a few months ago
[16:57] <semitones> in the olden times, that xubuntu was slower than ubuntu. Is this still the case?
[16:57] <semitones> Cheri703, hey cool!!!
[16:57] <Cheri703> I've found it the same or faster
[16:57] <bazhang> if its really slow then lubuntu would be a better fit semitones
[16:58] <semitones> What would be really cool is if I could install both lubuntu and xubuntu, and try them out.
[16:58] <Cheri703> partitions?
[16:58] <semitones> but I don't know a good way of removing the DE cleanly
[16:58] <semitones> Cheri703, not a bad idea :D
[16:58] <semitones> i think i'll try that
[16:58] <bazhang> !purexfce
[16:58] <Cheri703> bazhang: that so does not work
[16:59] <Cheri703> at least it NEVER has for me
[16:59] <bazhang> or purelxde
[16:59] <bazhang> Cheri703, thats odd it works just fine here
[16:59] <semitones> bazhang, thanks
[16:59] <Cheri703> semitones: on my primary computer I always do upgrades/switches on separate partitions, I can move stuff over at my leisure, and if it freaks out? I just boot back to the other one :)
[17:00] <semitones> Cheri703, that's cool -- I used to try keeping my /home separate, and just migrating it over to brand new installs,
[17:00] <semitones> but I never was very comfortable with the permissions transferring over
[17:00] <semitones> i don't think I knew enough to do it right :p
[17:00] <Cheri703> I don't bother with that, I have symlinks to my dropbox (formerly ubuntu one til it ate stuff) and then it will all sync to one spot and everything can see it. :)
[17:01] <Cheri703> only on things that won't poop themselves due to new versions though
[17:01] <Cheri703> stuff like tomboy, my mouse config, etc
[17:05] <n-iCe> hi
[17:14] <lderan> hi
[17:31] <drc> Quick Question:  What happens if, after using the Additional Drivers on 12.04 to install the Nvidia driver (iirc 310.14), one wanted to install a later driver (say 310.44 from the nvidia website, which installs and runs perfectly on Slackware, Salix and Debian) ?
[17:48] <fowlslegs> Hello people :-) Would any of you be so kind as to help me with a problem or point me in the right direction fro researching it more? I need to edit my BIOS.
[17:48] <bazhang> ##hardware
[17:50] <drc> fowlslegs: Like bazhang said, there are better places to ask about this (it's really depending on your hardware), but you might ask the question based on whether you actually need to edit the BIOS or just change some settings.
[17:58] <fowlslegs> thanks
[19:46] <xubuntu336> hi
[19:47] <xubuntu336> i have a problem with a card video Model kmc 4400r
[19:48] <holstein> xubuntu336: feel free and elaborate.. what problem... etc
[19:48] <xubuntu336> how do I make it work?
[19:49] <holstein> xubuntu336: the vesa driver should work with any device...
[19:49] <holstein> !nomodeset
[19:50] <xubuntu336> ok.. i see the link..
[19:51] <holstein> !ati | xubuntu336 check this for installing proprietary graphics drivers
[19:53] <xubuntu336> ok... if i send this command "xawtv-device / dev/video1"
[19:54] <xubuntu336> WARNING: No DGA direct video mode for this display. WARNING: couldn't find framebuffer base address, try manual          configuration ("v4l-conf -a <addr>") v4l2: WARNING: framebuffer base address mismatch v4l2: me=(nil) v4l=(nil) Alsa devices: cap: (null) (/dev/video1), out: default
[19:54] <xubuntu336> i have this output
[19:55] <holstein> xubuntu336: i would try booting a live CD with the nomodeset option.. then, i would try other drivers.. then i would try a custom xorg.conf file
[21:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Running 12.04 LTS in VBox (mainly because I don't wanna have to mess with partitioning or reinstall my current configuration), is it better to install the Guest Additions in "Additional Drivers" or through the VBoxGuestAdditions.iso in the Extension Pack?
[21:09] <n-iCe> hi
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> hi
[21:09] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: i would try the ones in the repos first probably.. really shoudnt matter or be a "better"
[21:09] <SonikkuAmerica> The ones in Additional Drivers then?
[21:10] <n-iCe> when is 13.04 realesed?
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> n-iCe: 2013.04.25 (discuss it in #ubuntu+1)
[21:10] <n-iCe> 25
[21:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep, the 25th
[21:11] <SonikkuAmerica> 11 days
[21:11] <holstein> SonikkuAmerica: the "additional drivers" is the name of the package.. i would try installing them from the ubuntu repos in the guest, but the other way is fine as well
[21:23] <sudoair> hey, i have this issue where i can't connect to the internet via ethernet on my 64 bit installation of xubuntu, ubuntu, or mint
[21:23] <sudoair> but it works on windows 8 64bit
[21:23] <sudoair> and it also works on 32bit installations of xubuntu
[21:25] <holstein> sudoair: why not just use the 32bit version?
[21:25] <holstein> are you sure its not different releases as well? like 32bit 12.04 vs 64bit 12.10?
[21:26] <holstein> sudoair: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. and mint is likely using the same kernel
[21:27] <sudoair> thats a good point
[21:27] <sudoair> maybe i'll try linux mint debian
[21:37] <David-A> sudoair: do you have ISP or router that wont issue a dynamic ip-address until a certain time has passed?
[21:37] <David-A> sudoair: (in case you are dual booting)
[23:35] <rusman_y> hi
[23:36] <rusman_y> are there unity in xubuntu 12?
[23:36] <knome> xubuntu never used unity.
[23:36] <rusman_y> oh good
[23:36] <knome> and there's no "xubuntu 12" either, only 12.04 or 12.10.
[23:39] <rusman_y> is xfce the same as mate?
[23:39] <knome> no.
[23:41] <rusman_y> knome whichever is more lightweight xfce or mate how do you think?
[23:41] <knome> i haven't used mate
[23:42] <rusman_y> or gnome2?
[23:42] <knome> xfce should be ligther, but it also depends on the applications you are running
[23:42] <knome> *lighter
[23:43] <rusman_y> thanks
[23:44] <rusman_y> i just wondering install xubuntu or mint(mate)
[23:45] <rusman_y> can not make choice
[23:45] <knome> well you're on the xubuntu channel now... guess what we're recommending?


[10:38] <NikTh> Hello everyone.
[10:39] <NikTh> These dates need an update -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[10:39] <NikTh> I would edit the WiKi, but I don't know how to create an event in http://www.timeanddate.com/
[10:41] <k1l_> NikTh: i would just correct the url
[10:41] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=1200+Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+June+2013&iso=20130622T12&ah=1  like that?
[10:44] <NikTh> k1l_:  The next meeting according to schedule is 4th July (first Thursday) for 22:00 UTC and for 12:00 UTC is 17th July (third Wednesday )
[10:45] <NikTh> k1l_:  But in order to fix these dates, I think you have to create new events in timedate.com .. I'm not sure though
[10:50] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+22%3A00+UTC&iso=20130704T22&ah=1
[10:51] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+12%3A00+UTC&iso=20130713T12&ah=1
[10:51] <k1l_> take these as long as we dont know if there is another rule to set up the meetings-time-links
[10:52] <NikTh> Great k1l_ . Can I edit the Wiki here ->  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards (do I have your permission ? ) :-)
[10:52] <k1l_> im not a member of that board :/
[10:52] <NikTh> Hahaha... me neither
[10:54] <NikTh> Oh .. k1l_  , but these are not the correct dates..
[10:54] <k1l_> let me have a quick look who is in that board
[10:54] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+12%3A00+UTC&iso=20130717T12&ah=1
[10:55] <k1l_> was a typo (13.07. instead of 17.07.
[10:56] <NikTh> and the 4th July 22:00 UTC ?
[10:56] <k1l_> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Membership+Board+Meeting+-+22%3A00+UTC&iso=20130704T22&ah=1
[10:57] <k1l_> its showing 4th juy 22:00 UTC for me
[10:57] <NikTh> Ok, now are correct.
[10:59] <NikTh> I will edit the Wiki.. I hope they will not ban me.. hahahah.. If this wiki page was only for the council to edit, then I would not have the right to edit.. correct ?
[10:59] <NikTh> k1l_:  Thanks for the help to create these events in timedate.com ..
[11:00] <k1l_> yes, atleast users who want to become members can add themselves to that wikipage the rights should allow it. at least you are taking some work off the council. just document the changes in the comment section of the editing filed
[11:07] <jared> NikTh: thanks for that. We generally use the links to show the time and date, they don't always have to be listed as events but it's not a bad thing that they are.
[11:13] <NikTh> jared:  Thanks. I have a friend he wants to apply for Ubuntu membership and he told me that he is waiting for the dates to be changed in order to add his name in the board. So I volunteered to help to change these dates. I didn't know about the links though :-)
[11:14] <jared> NikTh: that's great, we sometimes forget to update them, especially when it runs a little over time we all run away to other things before completing the admin side then and there.
[11:19] <NikTh> jared:  I understand.. completely . Glad I could help even in something small as this. :-)
[11:22] <jared> No worries, I look forward to your friend's application
[11:34] <smartboyhw> NikTh, great:)
[11:34] <smartboyhw> We have new members!
[11:34] <smartboyhw> :P
[11:37] <NikTh> smartboyhw:  hahaha :P
[17:00] <pleia2> hi everyone, just rounding up CC folks :)
[17:04] <pleia2> #startmeeting Community Council
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[17:04] <pleia2> #chair dholbach Gwaihir
[17:04] <meetingology> Current chairs: Gwaihir dholbach pleia2
[17:04] <dholbach> hey
[17:04] <pleia2> so the plan today is to meet with translators and forums folks
[17:04] <pleia2> is there anyone from the forums here?
[17:05] <coffeecat> o/
[17:05] <pleia2> hey coffeecat :)
[17:05] <pleia2> #topic Forums check-in
[17:05] <coffeecat> hi pleia2 :)
[17:05] <pleia2> I know there are some RT tickets that are being worked on, any other updates/concerns/celebrations you wish to share?
[17:06] <coffeecat> Not really. We didn't have much time to liaise amongst ourselves, but there's nothing hot that I'm aware of.
[17:06] <pleia2> well, that's good to hear :)
[17:06] <coffeecat> Except - we added four new moderators after some of the experineced ones stepped down. Always a pleasure to see new blood.
[17:07]  * pleia2 nods
[17:09] <pleia2> alright, well as always feel free to give us a nudge if you need anything :)
[17:09] <coffeecat> will do. THanks! :)
[17:09] <pleia2> thank you for coming today!
[17:09] <coffeecat> :)
[17:09] <pleia2> #topic Translators check-in
[17:09] <pleia2> anyone here from the translations team?
[17:09] <pleia2> (Gwaihir is, but he said he was wrapping up some things)
[17:10] <beuno> o/
[17:11] <pleia2> just gave dpm a nudge too
[17:12] <dholbach> hola dpm
[17:12] <dpm> hey dholbach
[17:14] <pleia2> dpm: so, any updates/concerns/celebrations to share with the CC re: translations?
[17:14] <pleia2> (hoping Gwaihir will join us too)
[17:15] <pleia2> I just realized we only emailed the translations core team, probably should have asked the translations mailing list itself
[17:16] <dpm> pleia2, I've not been able to spend much time in translations since last meeting, most of my time is on app development. I've been working with the translations community to get the Ubuntu Touch apps and Unity 8 translated, and the response and results have been awesome as ever, but we're still more or less in the same situation as last time regarding global coordination
[17:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:16] <dpm> so things as getting language packs out or opening Saucy translations have been suffering from that
[17:17] <dpm> Pierre Slamich has been organizing meetings with other translators, which is pretty awesome, but I've not been able to attend any of them so far, so I cannot report on those
[17:17] <czajkowski> dpm: is there a way we can help here?
[17:17] <pleia2> I did see http://www.piware.de/2013/06/ubuntu-saucy-translations-are-now-open/ last week
[17:18] <dpm> pleia2, yeah, I saw that as well, but we've not done any promotion or been much involved from the translations side as we used to
[17:19] <pleia2> yeah, actually I realize now that that message never actually got to the translations mailing list
[17:19] <dholbach> I can only vaguely remember the biggest blockers which were mentioned in the last meeting - can anyone remind me?
[17:19] <pleia2> I've been working some with Pierre Slamich to get stats back in UWN, so that's nice
[17:19] <dpm> nice!
[17:19] <pleia2> dholbach: coordination in general, making sure milestones were announced, translations opened
[17:19] <Gwaihir> dpm, regarding lang pack, do not remember if you already did it, but can you summarize the steps needed in an email?
[17:21] <dpm> Gwaihir, I definitely can, I'll get it to you tomorrow. Actually, I'll send it to the list. It's already documented in detail here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/view/head:/doc/operator-guide.txt , but it could do with a higher level overview
[17:22] <czajkowski> dpm: are there things the commnity can't do that we need someone in canonical to do, or for the most part ok on their own to run once shown how ?
[17:22] <Gwaihir> dpm, thanks, that would much need, I would really like to push myself the langpack back
[17:22] <Gwaihir> s/need/help
[17:22] <dpm> czajkowski, I think the main thing that we need now is to get more activity and new (or current) contributors helping in terms of coordinating regular activities, doing regular announcements, set new goals, etc
[17:23] <czajkowski> nods
[17:23] <czajkowski> ok
[17:23] <czajkowski> so more publicising
[17:23] <dpm> czajkowski, 99% can be done by the community, the only thing I can think of that requires special Canonical permissions is to build language packs on the Canonical servers
[17:24] <czajkowski> dpm: would it be possible to have a point of contact there so we know who to poke
[17:24] <dpm> for other things that might need elevated permissions e.g. in LP, we've got the ubuntu-translations-coordinators team, which is community-based
[17:24] <czajkowski> or for tha one person to annouce when it's done ?
[17:25] <dpm> czajkowski, point of contact where?
[17:26] <dpm> if it's for the Canonical servers access for langpacks, it's pitti, but he's moved to other tasks for a while now
[17:26] <dpm> hey leoquant :)
[17:27] <dholbach> did the translations coordination team ask for some more help with the organisation at some stage?
[17:28] <Gwaihir> dpm, can't we interact with Canonical sysadmin in case for that? is it just a script to be run or it needs something else?
[17:28] <dholbach> to me it seems like they should be able to help people who could help out new coordinators well
[17:29] <dpm> Gwaihir, it requires not only ssh access to the server, but also knowledge in building the language packs. I think we rather need to find someone else in another team that can take over from pitti than IS. To find someone else has been on my list for a while, but tbh I've had no time to look into it :/
[17:29] <leoquant> hi dpm
[17:30] <dpm> dholbach, more people in the coordinators team would definitely help. We already got Pierre in there.
[17:31] <dpm> recently
[17:32] <dholbach> that might be a first good step then
[17:34] <pleia2> doesn't sound like a whole lot we can do right now, but we should keep this on our radar
[17:35] <dholbach> I don't have any more suggestions or questions right now.
[17:35] <pleia2> same
[17:35] <pleia2> thanks dpm and Gwaihir :)
[17:35] <dpm> thanks pleia2, czajkowski, dholbach, Gwaihir :)
[17:36] <pleia2> #topic Any Other Business
[17:36] <pleia2> so, this! http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/20/ubuntu-donations-and-community-funding/
[17:36] <Gwaihir> thanks dpm!
[17:38] <pleia2> and also had this announced last week http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/14/certificates-for-ubuntu-members/
[17:39] <czajkowski> busy with annoucements all of a sudden
[17:39] <czajkowski> which is great
[17:39] <pleia2> yeah, nice to see all of this stuff coming together finally :)
[17:43] <ScottK> \o
[17:45] <pleia2> unless anyone else has anything to add, I think we can wrap this up
[17:45] <pleia2> (ScottK anything from you?)
[17:45] <ScottK> I wanted to ask about the announcement today about donations.
[17:46] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye tis great :)
[17:46] <pleia2> sure
[17:46] <czajkowski> ScottK: sure fire ahead
[17:46] <ScottK> It wasn't clear from the announcement if there's going to be community oversight or not.
[17:46] <ScottK> It seems like one applies to Canonical and either get approved or denied.
[17:47] <pleia2> so the plan is for Canonical to be the main guardians of it and to reach out to applicable community teams for feedback, then at the end of the cycle the report will show where the money went and we'll discuss it then for the next cycle
[17:48] <ScottK> Right, but with no idea how much was donated for Kubuntu, how do I have any idea what's reasonable to request?
[17:48] <czajkowski> ScottK: so you want to know what's in the kitty first
[17:48] <ScottK> Even if it's not made public, I think the appropriate flavor governance bodies should know.
[17:49] <ScottK> Personally, I think it should be public, but that's a finer point.
[17:49] <pleia2> ScottK: you might want to talk to jono directly since they didn't want to make it fully public, he may be willing to give you some details privately
[17:49] <jono> ScottK, hi
[17:49] <jono> so we don't plan on making the budgets available until the final report
[17:49] <ScottK> Also, if someone is asking for money out of the Kubuntu pot, I think the KC should decide if it's reasonable.
[17:49] <jono> there is no % assigned to Kubuntu
[17:49] <dholbach> ScottK, I think it will be mostly about "is this use of money going to have a good impact?"
[17:49] <czajkowski> ScottK: I supose it can't be given it donations to flavours so maybe it's just on a per basis
[17:50] <jono> there is a budget for all flavors
[17:50] <jono> requests will come on a first come first served basis
[17:50] <jono> but we will try to pre-empt other needs such as conference sponsorship
[17:50] <ScottK> Then when someone says they want their donation to go to, say, Lubuntu, does that affect how the money gets spent?
[17:50] <jono> ScottK, there is no way of someone saying where specifically they want their donation to go
[17:51] <jono> other than the broad bucket of "flavors"
[17:51] <jono> and our goal is to ensure that that money is fairly distributed across the flavors based on their needs
[17:51] <czajkowski> ScottK: if you lok at the donations page it says donate to flavours but you cannot say which one specfically so it's a flavours pot
[17:51] <ScottK> I see.
[17:51] <jono> there is no X% for Kubuntu, X% Lubuntu etc
[17:51] <czajkowski> *look
[17:51] <jono> ScottK, my recommendation is simply put in funding requests where you feel the money could be useful utilized
[17:52] <dholbach> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=32&release=lts for example
[17:52] <ScottK> So is there still an option to have a link to "If you want to donate to $FLAVOR specifically, go here:"?
[17:52] <jono> ScottK, and while there is still budget, if that is a reasonable request within the guidelines it should be approved
[17:52] <jono> ScottK, no
[17:52] <jono> ScottK, just the donations sliders as discussed
[17:55] <dholbach> any other questions?
[17:55] <pleia2> thanks jono
[17:55] <jono> thanks
[17:56] <pleia2> ok, thanks for coming everyone :)
[17:56] <ScottK> Personally, I think that donations page is a problem.
[17:56] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[17:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 17:56:23 2013 UTC.
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[17:56] <pleia2> doh
[17:56] <ScottK> I'll think about it.
[17:56] <dholbach> thanks pleia2 and everyone else!
[17:56] <czajkowski> cheers pleia2
[17:57] <pleia2> ScottK: thanks
[17:57] <czajkowski> ScottK: I think it's worth giving this a few months so we can see the rviews after and then give feedback
[18:13] <jono> czajkowski, agreed
[18:13] <jono> we will run this cycle and do a review if it too
[18:13] <jono> to see how we can optimize it
[18:14] <czajkowski> jono: aye can't judge things properly I think wthout at least some real data and see how things go
[18:14] <jono> czajkowski, yeah
[18:15] <jono> and like anything, we will always strive to refine and improve and make it as fair as possible :-)
[18:15] <jono> I want the report to be awesome example of how the money was used in really valuable places
[18:15] <ScottK> With no way to specify who the donation is for, how can we possibly know what's fair.