[01:29] <blizzow> Anyone here know if running an encrypted root filesystem will screw with Xen in Gutsy?  I can't get Xen to boot.  It says there is a kernel mismatch with Dom0.
[01:39] <jmg> xubuntu really struggles on 256mb ram
[01:46] <lontra> is it a known bug that when you unplug your laptop in gutsy that your laptop thinks your computer battery is toast and turns off?
[01:47] <Zapek> yes
[01:47] <Zapek> (at least I have it too)
[01:48] <lontra> Zapek: ok ... and it's been reported?
[01:48] <Zapek> dunno
[01:48] <Zapek> launchpad isn't easy to search imho
[01:49] <SeveredCross> Launchpad is a pain to search.
[01:49] <Zapek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/38756 har!
[01:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 38756 in gnome-power-manager "Wrong power warnings + sleep" [Medium,New]
[01:50] <SeveredCross> Is there a search function even?
[01:50] <Zapek> but that's for dapper :)
[01:51] <SeveredCross> The bug I reported hasn't even been looked at. :(
[01:56] <jsestri2> Can anyone here give me a work around for the upgrade-manager giving me this error message? Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
[02:01] <lontra> jsestri2: edgy?  that's feisty-1
[02:12] <jsestri2> longtra: yes, but i need edgy before i can get feisty
[02:13] <jsestri2> lontra: ^
[02:14] <jsestri2> how bad is it to dist-upgrade with apt instead of using upgrade-manager?
[02:17] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: not "bad" exactly - but you would probably have a lot more problems
[02:18] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: you would need to re-run the upgrade, probably use apt-get -f install several times etc. etc.
[02:18] <jsestri2> thoreauputic: hmm thanks for the info, it will help me decide. Am I at risk of breaking anything badly?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: in other words, you would need to know what you were doing :)
[02:19] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: why do you want to do it that way?
[02:19] <jsestri2> thoreauputic: I can't get upgrade-manager to work, it keeps giving me: "Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)"
[02:20] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: try changing your apt mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:20] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: for instance, remove the counry code or use a different one
[02:20] <jsestri2> thoreauputic, disovered the upgrad-manager does that for you, so I can't effect where they point to...also odd is that I can get to that file if i open that in a browswer
[02:21] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: have you run  sudo aptitude update ?
[02:21] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: I would try that first
[02:21] <jsestri2> i believe so, but I will run it just to be sure
[02:22] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: there is a wiki page about upgrades - have you read that?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[02:22] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:22] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: I think it has a section about using aptitude
[02:24] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: read this
[02:24] <thoreauputic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgradesManual
[02:25] <jsestri2> thoreauputic: Wow, that looks great! thanks
[02:25] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: but be aware that you will probably have to do some post-upgrade fixing with apt-get -f install etc
[02:25] <jsestri2> thoreauputic, thats not a huge deal, I just wanted to avoid getting stuck with a half installation where i couldn't go forward or back
[02:26] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: no worries - just don't be surprised when you have to fiddle to get things going :)
[02:26] <jsestri2> thoreauputic, I've been on ubuntu for 2 years now, but I've been waiting because I hate redo'ing my custom drivers
[02:26] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: OK - well if you know your way around dpkg and apt-get and aptitude you should manage it
[02:27] <jsestri2> thoreauputic: awsome, thanks for your help
[02:27] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: you're welcome
[02:27] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: just don't blame me if it breaks ;p
[02:27] <jsestri2> thoreauputic: lol, I'll try. BTW are you a dev or ???
[02:28] <thoreauputic> no, I'm just an obsessive op with an Ubuntu addiction problem ;)
[02:28] <jsestri2> lol, you should channel some of that into contributing
[02:28] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: this is part of my contribution :)
[02:29] <jsestri2> i suppose it is...I always forget the support people, my bad, many thanks, keep up the good work
[02:29] <thoreauputic> I am also working on a live CD without X as a tutorial for CLI phobics :)
[02:30] <jsestri2> without X?
[02:30] <thoreauputic> yup
[02:31] <thoreauputic> with framebuffer, runs videos using mplayer, picture viewer with fbi , graphical browsing with links2 -g
[02:31] <jsestri2> thoreauputic: thats kinda cool. I wouldn't have thought of something like that
[02:31] <thoreauputic> plus streaming audio etc from bash script menus
[02:32] <thoreauputic> The user can navigate from menus by choosing options
[02:32] <jsestri2> so you're looking to get people back onto the terminal?
[02:33] <thoreauputic> no, just to show them that the terminal is powerful and things can be done there
[02:33] <thoreauputic> as it's a live CD only, they can play in it without fear
[02:34] <jsestri2> heh i can't imagine life without the term, I'd die personally
[02:34] <jsestri2> clicking is amazingly slow
[02:35] <thoreauputic> well, since we have so many windows refugees, a lot of them have no clue what can be done without X using a tty
[02:35] <jsestri2> that is a good point
[02:35] <thoreauputic> this is just an attempt to show/demonstrate what is under the surface in GNU/Linux
[02:37] <jsestri2> how different is fiesty?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> jsestri2: different from what?
[02:38] <thoreauputic> or do you mean gutsy ?
[02:38] <jsestri2> dapper
[02:38] <thoreauputic> ah OK
[02:38] <jsestri2> then whats the diff rom fiesty up to what gutsy is so far?
[02:39] <rsk> newer kernel newer gnome newer gcc
[02:39] <rsk> updates packages
[02:39] <DanaG> One issue: the need for native-res framebuffer.
[02:39] <rsk> updated*
[02:39] <thoreauputic> well, feisty has, for example, dialogs that ask you if you want to install codecs when you click on something it can't hadle out of the box
[02:39] <DanaG> With vesafb, there's no way for me to run at my LCD's native resolution.
[02:39] <jsestri2> thats a cool feature
[02:39] <DanaG> Instead, I have to use nvidiafb, with acceleration disabled.
[02:40] <DanaG> And then once nvidiafb is loaded, nvidia cannot be loaded until I reboot.
[02:40] <DanaG> Er, I mean, loading nvidiafb blocks nvidia, and nvidiafb is not unloadable.
[02:40] <thoreauputic> DanaG: actually the whole framebuffer thing is pretty arcane ( I've been working it out for my CD)
[02:41] <thoreauputic> DanaG: vga=789 seems to be a compromise that works OK for my purposes, but it needs testing on other hardware
[02:41] <DanaG> 789?
[02:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, there are NO widescreen framebuffer resolutions, at least on my system.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> DanaG:  yes, that is 800x600 with full colour IIRC
[02:42] <DanaG> I use 792.
[02:42] <DanaG> 1024x768x24.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> right, that's 1024x768
[02:43] <thoreauputic> some apps insist on running suid root to access the console ( links2 -g for instance)
[02:44] <thoreauputic> changing the permissions is too invasive so I'm just making my "no X" CD not installable
[02:44] <thoreauputic> so far anyway
[02:46] <DanaG> links2 -g actually has TWO modes.
[02:46] <DanaG> fb, and directfb.
[02:46] <DanaG> (besides any X-based modes).
[02:47] <DanaG> Only the latter needs root access.
[02:47] <DanaG> In addition, if you install GPM (not gnome-power-manager), you'll notice that the mouse acts differently between the two.
[02:48] <thoreauputic> DanaG: yes - you forgot svgalib by the way :)
[02:49] <thoreauputic> DanaG: links2 tries to use directfb if it is present
[02:49] <thoreauputic> and the plain vanilla fb is horribly slow :)
[02:50] <thoreauputic> also, svgalib insists on manual config of the mouse and complains if it isn't configured
[02:51] <thoreauputic> thus, my current compromise is to set vga=789 and set links2 suid root ( only for the live CD I am trying to cobble together)
[02:55] <DanaG> Safer: instead of running the browser as root, make the device writeable.
[02:55] <DanaG> Is that safer?
[02:55] <thoreauputic> DanaG: well, if it only a live CD suid root seems reasonably safe to me
[02:56] <thoreauputic> i.e. anyone using it only has to sudo or su to get Total Power (tm)
[02:56] <thoreauputic> and it's essentailly read-only
[02:56] <DanaG> Which is worse: web browser as root, or framebuffer rw to all?
[02:56] <thoreauputic> I don't know, to be honest
[02:57] <DanaG> Nor do I.
[02:58] <thoreauputic> You can for example add users to group tty, and make the device writeable for that group
[02:58] <thoreauputic> but if that was an actual install, i think it would be against policy
[03:03] <thoreauputic> DanaG: to make a live CD without X look decent, a resolution like 800x600 works better than 1024x768, which results in everything appearing rather small, and by default in the top left corner - it starts to get complicated if you try to detect and adjust for everyone's monitor, too
[03:04] <thoreauputic> But hey, I've only been working on this for a couple of weeks so who knows?
[03:21] <voidmage> Is a newer version of nvidia-glx going to be packaged for support for 8-series cards?
[03:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing useful: check out hwinfo.
[03:24] <DanaG> Too bad vesafb is compiled-in.  If it were compiled as a module, or compiled in as vesafb-tng (a patch), you'd be able to select a better resolution on the fly.
[03:24] <thoreauputic> DanaG: fb support is a bit of an afterthought in Ubuntu it seems
[03:24] <DanaG> Yeah.
[03:25] <DanaG> That's the one thing (the ONLY one thing) I miss about Gentoo, from the short time I tried it: nice framebuffer support.
[03:25] <DanaG> Including fbsplash.
[03:29] <thoreauputic> lunchtime - later all
[03:49] <lontra> is medibuntu available for gutsy?
[03:51] <voidmage> yeah
[03:51] <voidmage> the repos are up, just not published on the site
[03:52] <voidmage> hmm.
[03:52] <voidmage> looks like they haven't packaged amarok 1.4.6 for gutsy though
[03:54] <lontra> is there no kde-games metapackage in gutsy?
[03:54] <voidmage> well then again, neither have they for feisty (amarok)
[03:54] <voidmage> !info kde-games gutsy
[03:54] <ubotu> Package kde-games does not exist in gutsy
[03:54] <voidmage> yeah, i don't see one.
[03:54] <voidmage> either
[03:54] <voidmage> (still working on upgrading though)
[03:54] <lontra> blah they broke it up into a bunch of little packages ...
[03:55] <voidmage> !info kdegames gutsy
[03:55] <ubotu> kdegames: games from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 21 kB, installed size 72 kB
[03:55] <voidmage> !info kdegames feisty
[03:55] <ubotu> kdegames: games from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 20 kB, installed size 72 kB
[03:55] <voidmage> one word.
[03:55] <lontra> i see it ...
[03:55] <lontra> thanks
[04:24] <DanaG> What extras does Gutsy medibuntu Amarok have over the official version?
[04:28] <cables> I've got Tribe 2, will it update to Tribe 3 automatically? It just had normal updates, no distribution upgrade or anything. Is a "tribe" release just a milestone and CD snapshot, not an actual new release?
[04:29] <Toxicity999> yes
[04:29] <voidmage> yeah
[04:29] <cables> ok
[04:29] <cables> thanks
[04:29] <voidmage> if you keep up with your upgrades you're fine.
[04:29] <cables> So, Tribe 3 doesn't have any new features when compared to Tribe 2 that I haven't already seen in the course of normal upgrades?
[04:30] <cables> I don't seem much of a difference from when I installed it.
[04:30] <chowmeined> the installer
[04:30] <chowmeined> you can test the installer
[04:30] <cables> ah, ok :)
[04:30] <cables> so I guess I won't see that unless I do a full install
[04:38] <mrsno> nn
[04:58] <DanaG> WTF?  I just had to restart Xorg four times!
[04:58] <thompa> are you using desktop effects
[04:58] <DanaG> Xscreensaver got stuck on top of my desktop under Compiz, and when I did compiz --replace, compiz died and apparently took the panel with it.
[04:59] <DanaG> Yeah.
[04:59] <DanaG> And then I logged in, and no windows appeared -- yet I could hear the new-IM sound.
[04:59] <thompa> i have different effects for diff drivers
[05:00] <DanaG> So I logged out again, and this time compiz started, but when I tried to remove it from my session, the x server locked up so that only alt-sysrq-k could kill it.
[05:00] <thompa> on macbook always two panes
[05:00] <DanaG> Then I logged in again, and again the windows failed to appear.
[05:00] <thompa> on my nvidia box 4 panes
[05:00] <thompa> remove compiz if you need a quik fix or check bug stuff
[05:01] <thompa> i get no wireless with compiz enabled either
[05:01] <DanaG> I find it quite annoying that xscreensaver gets "burned in" to the desktop.  The close animation stalls, but when I rotate the cube I can see other windows beneath it.
[05:01] <thompa> still i like this better than osx lol
[05:01] <DanaG> Then compiz --replace locks up the X server.
[05:02] <thompa> use apt-get remvove in failsafe
[05:02] <thompa> sorry remove
[05:02] <thompa> then go back in and reinstall it very simple
[05:03] <thompa> check apport then
[05:03] <thompa> there is a problem on i915 in xorg i think
[05:04] <thompa> but nvidia has a diff issue for me right now,
[05:06] <chowmeined> why did ubuntu go with apparmour?
[05:08] <thompa> before you log out disable dektop effects then
[05:29] <DasKreech> anyone on Kubuntu Gutsy?
[05:40] <jmg> anyone know mod_python?
[05:40] <jmg> how can i use a variable passed by GET?
[05:42] <jmg> i'm trying to do: http://fooserver/foo.py?arg=Bar
[05:42] <chowmeined> jmg: im not sure how to exactly, but i figure there are more elegant ways to do stuff like that
[05:42] <chowmeined> jmg: have you looked at django?
[05:42] <jmg> chowmeined: overkill
[05:42] <chowmeined> but even still
[05:43] <chowmeined> you can extract the url mapping part for your uses
[05:43] <jmg> it's for an embedded system
[05:43] <jmg> you can do it with mod_python too
[05:43] <jmg> just the docs are sketchy
[05:43] <jmg> and what i am doing from what i understand should wor
[05:43] <jmg> k
[05:53] <jmg> yay! made it work
[05:53] <jmg> *dance*
[05:54] <jmg> oh that was totally the wrong channel for this question, sorry
[05:56] <DasKreech> :-)
[06:08] <CitizenKane> hi, is there anyone that could help me get wirless working with the 2.6.22 kernel?
[06:10] <Amaranth> CitizenKane: you are using gutsy, right?
[06:10] <CitizenKane> Amaranth, i'm on feisty with 2.6.22 kernel
[06:11] <Amaranth> CitizenKane: oh
[06:11] <Amaranth> CitizenKane: You get to keep both pieces then
[06:11] <crimsun> do you mean gutsy's 2.6.22-8.18 or a self-compiled kernel.org 2.6.22?
[06:12] <CitizenKane> crimsun, self compiled kernel
[06:12] <crimsun> then you need the respective firmware files in place.
[06:13] <CitizenKane> crimsun, where are the firmware files normally located?
[06:14] <Amaranth> hopefully a website for the device
[06:15] <CitizenKane> maybe just copy firmware from /lib/firmware/oldkernel to /lib/firmware/newkernel?
[06:15] <Amaranth> should work
[06:16] <CitizenKane> Amaranth, cool, i'll give it a try
[06:16] <DanaG> What WiFi card?
[06:16] <CitizenKane> DanaG, ipw2200
[06:16] <DanaG> I know ipw3945 and iwl{3945,4965} are not in-kernel.
[06:16] <DanaG> But 2200 is, so you're safe.
[06:29] <DanaG> !virtualization
[06:29] <ubotu> There are several solutions for running other operating systems (or their programs) inside Ubuntu, while using the native CPU as much as possible: !QEmu (with !KQemu or !qvm86), !VirtualBox, !VMWare, as well as !WINE and !Cedega for Windows applications
[06:30] <DanaG> Oh, oops, stupid plugin.
[06:31] <DanaG> !kvm
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kvm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <DanaG> !qemu
[06:31] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[06:31] <jsestri2> Anyone know why I would get the error: #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned)?
[06:34] <crdlb> jsestri2, #ubuntu-ops
[06:46] <jsestri2> Alright, I would ask this in the regular #ubuntu, but aparently I'm banned and nobody will un-ban me...
[06:47] <jsestri2> I just upgraded to feisty from dapper (upgrade-manager), my x doesn't work anymore. I remember having a similar problem way back when I got breezy...I have an nvidia card...
[06:48] <voidmage> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libkdepim1a_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/akregator_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/guidance-backends_0.8.0-1ubuntu9_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/karm_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/knotes_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <DanaG> stop.
[06:48] <voidmage>  /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb
[06:48] <voidmage> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:48] <voidmage> What do I do to resume my upgrade to gutsy?
[06:48] <DanaG> Scroll back and see if you can find what failed first.
[06:49] <voidmage> kmail:
[06:49] <voidmage> Unpacking replacement kmail ...
[06:49] <voidmage> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:49] <voidmage>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/config.kcfg/customtemplates_kfg.kcfg', which is also in package kpilot
[06:49] <voidmage> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:50] <voidmage> karm:
[06:50] <voidmage> Preparing to replace karm 4:3.5.7-0ubuntu1~feisty1 (using .../karm_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb) ...
[06:50] <voidmage> Unpacking replacement karm ...
[06:50] <voidmage> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/karm_4%3a3.5.7-1ubuntu5_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:50] <voidmage>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kontact/karmplugin.desktop', which is also in package kontact
[06:50] <voidmage> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[06:50] <CitizenKane> Amaranth, so i installed the firmware but the card won't associate at all
[06:51] <Amaranth> i dunno dude
[06:51] <Amaranth> like i said, you get to keep both pieces
[06:51] <voidmage> I found the same error for karm as in kmail, knotes, and korganizer
[06:51] <CitizenKane> yep, oh well, I just wanted to play around with the cool new dynticks features
[06:51] <voidmage> that was the one that failed first.
[06:52] <voidmage> DanaG:
[06:52] <DanaG> You can use dpkg to remove kpilot.
[06:53] <voidmage> so what should I do first?
[06:55] <DasKreech> anyone on Kubuntu Gutsy?
[06:55] <voidmage> working on it, stuck in an upgrade right now.
[06:55] <voidmage> i'll let you know when it comes back.
[06:56] <voidmage> hmm
[06:56] <voidmage> looks like a few rounds of apt-get -f install is fixing it.
[06:57] <voidmage> anyone know how to bring back the old-style sudo prompt?
[06:58] <voidmage> i'll get this upgrade done then mess with that.
[07:22] <voidmage> gutsy has tickless kernel enabled by default right?
[07:23] <jsestri2> Is there a way to check which drivers the xserver can handle / exist? No matter what I configure the xserver for it always complains the driver couldn't be found.
[07:25] <RAOF> voidmage: Yes, as long as you're not running the amd64 version.
[07:26] <voidmage> well, one dist upgrade, 3 runs of apt-get -f install
[07:26] <voidmage> another dist upgrade
[07:26] <voidmage> still not done
[07:26] <voidmage> ;P
[07:31] <voidmage> two dist-upgrades, 3 apt-get -f installs, and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:31] <voidmage> :P
[07:31] <voidmage> maybe.
[08:02] <voidmage> Is there a new login splash to match the new login screen?
[08:05] <voidmage> (kde)
[08:06] <Hobbsee> dont think so
[08:10] <chowmeined> voidmage: gnome-look.org?
[09:00] <Admiral_Chicago> hi, i'm getting an error with compiz, when i enable it, my windows borders disappear
[09:01] <Admiral_Chicago> the error I get is this one: Fatal: No manageable screens found on display
[09:01] <Tm_T> Admiral_Chicago: hi Freddy
[09:04] <Admiral_Chicago> hey there Tm_T, its been a while since i saw you in #kubuntu
[09:04] <Tm_T> I'm bit busy these days
[09:05] <Admiral_Chicago> same here
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> could it be related to this line: exec: 252: /usr/bin/metacity: not found
[09:06] <Admiral_Chicago> thats the last thing of ourput I got, I am running KDE
[09:08] <chowmeined> Admiral_Chicago: did you install compiz-kde?
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> yes i did
[09:09] <chowmeined> Admiral_Chicago: do you want emerald or whatever the kde window manager is?
[09:09] <Admiral_Chicago> i'd like aquamarine but emerald is fine
[09:11] <Admiral_Chicago> If I try anything with compiz, Kwin goes away, the boarders disappear and I'm stuck without a window manager
[09:11] <chowmeined> Admiral_Chicago: open a terminal and type: kwin&
[09:12] <chowmeined> or aquamarine --replace&
[09:12] <Admiral_Chicago> ah thats a good idea, run it in the background...
[09:15] <LinuxProbie> having problems with my broadcom wireless card, can someone lend assistance?
[09:15] <Admiral_Chicago> there is no aquamarine package in the repos
[09:16] <towlieba> LinuxProbie, whats the problem ?
[09:17] <LinuxProbie> towlieba, after a reboot it was as if it wasn't there anymore.
[09:18] <LinuxProbie> towlieba, I don't even have the green wireless light anymore.
[09:18] <towlieba> hmm
[09:18] <towlieba> before you rebooted did you do a software update with synaptic package manager ?
[09:18] <LinuxProbie> nope
[09:18] <towlieba> what did you do ?
[09:18] <MilhousePunkRock> So who is responsible for maintaining the iso download server?
[09:18] <LinuxProbie> nothing. only thing I did was change the network it was trying to connect to.
[09:19] <towlieba> you're using madwifi right ?
[09:19] <LinuxProbie> using wha?
[09:20] <towlieba> are you using madwifi for your broadcom wireless card ?
[09:20] <towlieba> it provides driver support for a lot of different wireless b/g cards
[09:21] <LinuxProbie> towlieba, never heard of it
[09:21] <towlieba> are u sure u werent connected using a wired network
[09:22] <MilhousePunkRock> towlieba: madwifi is not for broadcom cards, as far as I know...
[09:22] <towlieba> yea it is
[09:22] <towlieba> i have a broadcom wireless card and need madwifi loaded for it to be recognized by linux
[09:23] <towlieba> in the past i had a pcmcia wifi card that used the broadcom chipset and worked great with madwifi
[09:23] <LinuxProbie> towlieba, I think I got it working, gimmie a sec.
[09:24] <towlieba> ok
[09:30] <LinuxProbie> towlieba, well, whatever xtknight told me to do, worked like a charm.. o.o'
[09:32] <towlieba> what did he tell you to do ?
[09:32] <xtknight> "sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper" twice to remove possibility of duplicate drivers and then "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[09:32] <LinuxProbie> sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper twice, then sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[09:32] <xtknight> ndiswrapper wasnt in his /etc/modules so it's entirely possible it was never loaded anyway
[09:33] <towlieba> oh
[09:33] <towlieba> :p
[09:33] <towlieba> i shoulda known you were using ndiswrapper
[09:33] <LinuxProbie> so I'm confused...should ndiswrapper be in modules or not?
[09:33] <towlieba> LinuxProbie, if you start to get kernel crashes like i always have when using ndiswrapper, try madwifi i know it works for broadcom chipsets and is a lot more stable than ndiswrapper
[09:33] <towlieba> yes if you want it to start automatically and not manually load it
[09:34] <DanaG> What is madwifi?  I see no "madwifi" module.
[09:34] <DanaG> I call that confusing naming.
[09:34] <towlieba> you have to compile it
[09:34] <towlieba> but its easy
[09:34] <towlieba> download madwifi ,extract,cd madwifi, make ,sudo make install,modprobe ath_pci
[09:34] <towlieba> thats it
[09:34] <DanaG> aah, ath_pci.
[09:34] <DanaG> not madwifi.  Who came up with that one?
[09:34] <towlieba> but it doesnt come with ubuntu
[09:35] <DanaG> You see what I mean about the naming?
[09:35] <towlieba> you need to get the latest build for some of the newer wifi cards
[09:35] <DanaG> I already have ipw3945 built-in, so there's not a great point to it for me.
[09:35] <DanaG> Though I do also have a bcm43xx wireless cardbus card around here, too.
[09:37] <DanaG> Aagh, droppings on my screen!
[09:38] <DanaG> The little 000F boxes.
[09:38] <chowmeined> i wish madwifi was completely open source :(
[09:45] <LinuxProbie> Ok everything's fine.
[09:46] <LinuxProbie> towlieba, Hey, do you know how to change the default keyring password?
[09:49] <gutsytrials> Howdy party people.
[09:49] <KMoth> Do you love me too?
[09:49] <KMoth> I like you a lot, gut.
[09:49] <gutsytrials> I just installed tribe 3, and I'm excited about it, but I'm getting Grub Loading... Please Wait  then  Error 22
[09:50] <gutsytrials> Anyone wanna walk me through fixing grub?  I'm on the Feisty live CD now, so I can get online.
[09:51] <gutsytrials> The gutsy CD only booted every other 5th time, and I imagine I'll be rebooting at least once during this process. :D
[10:09] <corevette> what is ubufox
[10:12] <KMoth> !ubufox ! corevette
[10:12] <KMoth> !ubufox | corevette
[10:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubufox - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <pvandewyngaerde> is oit possible at boot to get 1400x900 reso ?
[11:30] <Michael_T_King> Anyone having probs w/pidgin?
[11:32] <Michael_T_King> Do we talk about .dev types of things here?
[11:32] <Michael_T_King> .j #kinuxmint
[11:33] <jussi01> Michael_T_King: its a bit dead here at this time of morning...
[11:34] <jussi01> and yes, we talk as deep .dev as we feel like :P
[11:34] <Michael_T_King> I love Ubuntu, but it broke my heart when Mint came out
[11:35] <Michael_T_King> :)
[11:42] <Michael_T_King> hi guys
[11:42] <Michael_T_King> whats up
[11:44] <JosefK> Michael_T_King, just downloading the alternate cd, after the desktop failed spectacularly ^^ no info I could send to launchpad though, box had completely hung :( *sighs*
[11:44] <Michael_T_King> ok JosefK are you @ a comand prompt
[11:44] <Michael_T_King> ?
[11:44] <Michael_T_King> You have Cable or DSP inet
[11:44] <JosefK> Michael_T_King, hah, I wish, could've done something with the box then
[11:45] <JosefK> Cable
[11:45] <Michael_T_King> JosefK, are you comfortable with the console command line
[11:45] <JosefK> Michael_T_King, I can ssh into a *nix box if you want to do some testing?
[11:45] <JosefK> Michael_T_King, see above ^^
[11:45] <Michael_T_King> JosefK, you mean me into yiours?
[11:46] <JosefK> Michael_T_King, um... hell no - just wondering why you were asking?
[11:46] <Michael_T_King> That'd be fine... i'd even turn prefetch on
[11:46] <Michael_T_King> Necause i've done it for others.
[11:46] <JosefK> Ah, fair enough, thanks for the offer, but it looks like the alt cd just downloaded, back in a bit after I install it
[11:48] <Michael_T_King> JosefK, IF i think i wanted your router bad enough i could take it.
[11:48] <Michael_T_King> :)
[11:49] <JosefK> Michael_T_King, were you talking about the cable router, or a unix box, out of interest?
[11:50] <Michael_T_King> I
[11:50] <Michael_T_King> I'
[11:50] <Michael_T_King> lol
[11:50] <Michael_T_King> i'll pwn them both.
[11:51] <JosefK> hehe, no no, I thought you had some magic tweaks for my aged cable modem for a sec, ISP won't send me a new one :/
[11:51] <JosefK> biab
[11:52] <Michael_T_King> lol
[11:52] <Michael_T_King> what a goon.
[11:52] <Michael_T_King> lets see.
[12:04] <Kain> Does gutsy use tracker or does it still use beagle?
[12:22] <kervel> hello, since this night (gutsy) dhclient doesn't work anymore. it complains about "permission denied". i think it drops too much privileges (when i remove the "dhcp" user and group, where dhclient does a setuid to, everything starts to work) .. i originally posted this on #ubuntu but there i was told this is the right place ...
[12:23] <riri> Hi
[12:31] <elkbuntu> kervel, have you reported it on launchpad?
[12:42] <Zapek> if I lock the screen under compiz, I cannot enter my password into the string anymore. now the question is if it's a compiz bug or a gnome-screensaver bug?
[12:43] <kervel> elkbuntu i found many reports with similar errors. most of them were because of faulty drivers, i didn't find any one yet with problems with privileges
[12:43] <kervel> elkbuntu i want to know if others are suffering from the problem too .. it could be a local problem here
[12:43] <kervel> i'm already using this machine since hoary, and i never did a fresh install .. so
[12:53] <elkbuntu> kervel, if you put it up on launchpad, more people will be able to find it. at worst, it gets rejected. at best, you find a fix
[12:58] <elmargol> Was someone able to start tribe 3 on qemu?
[01:03] <gutsytrials> I am SO lost on this grub problem.
[01:03] <gutsytrials> read about 20 things, tried about 20 things.  Have no idea what is going on.  Why is it so hard to just get grub to recognize where I JUST installed gutsy?
[01:06] <riri> i am on vmware gusty
[01:07] <riri> because i can't start it from an acer core duo2 with xpress 1200S
[01:07] <Xemanth> start it?
[01:07] <riri> i mean boot
[01:07] <Xemanth> have you tried alt disc
[01:07] <Xemanth> alternative*
[01:07] <riri> no desktop
[01:08] <riri> do you mean cd alternative ?
[01:08] <Xemanth> alternative cd
[01:08] <Xemanth> there's desktop cd and alternative cd
[01:08] <riri> yes
[01:08] <Xemanth> desktop cd boots to desktop :)
[01:08] <riri> i choose desktop
[01:09] <Xemanth> xorg has problems with ati gfx chips
[01:09] <riri> becaus i wanted to try it as livecd
[01:09] <Xemanth> when does system hang?
[01:09] <riri> i guess i already have it with feisty
[01:09] <riri> just at beginning
[01:09] <Xemanth> it falls to command line when trying to start X or just hangs with black screen
[01:10] <Xemanth> try hitting ctrl alt f1
[01:10] <riri> i have got a message kind of kan find kernel and hex number
[01:10] <Xemanth> nice :)
[01:11] <Xemanth> problem might be in sata controller hmm-m
[01:11] <Xemanth> what laptop do you exactly have?
[01:11] <riri> i am trying it on another pc
[01:11] <riri> with ati 9200
[01:11] <riri> i will see
[01:12] <riri> aspire
[01:12] <Xemanth> one othe things, maybe your cd is defected or something...
[01:12] <Xemanth> thing*
[01:13] <riri> i am trying now on another pc
[01:14] <Xemanth> ye
[01:14] <riri> looks like booting
[01:14] <riri> passed the problem on the acer
[01:14] <Xemanth> heh
[01:14] <riri> i guess it's ati which is not recognise
[01:14] <Xemanth> problem might be sata/pata controller
[01:15] <riri> works on the radeon 9200 on the other pc !
[01:15] <riri> is there any thing to do ?
[01:15] <Xemanth> 9200 is antique :)
[01:15] <riri> lol
[01:15] <riri> but working ! lol
[01:15] <Xemanth> old stuff do
[01:15] <riri> yes always
[01:16] <Xemanth> what acer aspire do you have?
[01:16] <riri> can we upgrade feisty to gutsy
[01:16] <Xemanth> you will break whole system with that :D
[01:16] <riri> core duo 2
[01:16] <Xemanth> there are many acer aspire system which have c2d
[01:16] <Xemanth> :P
[01:16] <riri> i will ask my wife if i can format her computer ! lol
[01:17] <Xemanth> if you want to use gutsy you can try it with vmware
[01:17] <riri> yes sorry
[01:17] <riri> T671 - PB7Z
[01:18] <riri> yes i talking to you from kde4 konversation on vmware
[01:18] <Xemanth> wtf 430e :D
[01:18] <riri> but i am interested in the new feature of kde4
[01:18] <riri> i can't get it runing on feisty
[01:19] <gutsytrials> My grub is giving Error 22, but when I try sudo grub-install /dev/sdc2
[01:19] <gutsytrials> It says Could not find device for /boot.
[01:19] <gutsytrials> so... what do I do?
[01:20] <gutsytrials> Would it fix it if I just deleted the grub directory and reinstalled?
[01:20] <riri> plasma seems to be working on vmware kde4 a bit dark (black can we change the color ?)
[01:21] <gutsytrials> I changed the flag in gparted to boot will that do it?
[01:21] <Xemanth> don't think so
[01:22] <gutsytrials> So how do I fix my grub?  I've read like 20 pages, and tried like 30 different things.
[01:23] <Xemanth> grub is one of the hardest software to understand for me :D
[01:23] <gutsytrials> You're not kidding!
[01:23] <gutsytrials> and #grub is no help at all.
[01:24] <Xemanth> gutsytrials: is sdc2 your boot partition ?
[01:24] <gutsytrials> maybe?
[01:24] <Xemanth> :D
[01:24] <gutsytrials> That's where the grub directory is!
[01:24] <Xemanth> yeah then it is
[01:24] <gutsytrials> OK!  So now what do I do?
[01:24] <Xemanth> hmm-m
[01:25] <Xemanth> i just remember that always when i sc*ew grub like that, the fastest thing to fix it is to reinstall :D
[01:25] <gutsytrials> wait, no that can't be it.
[01:25] <gutsytrials> I just did reinstall!
[01:27] <gutsytrials> where the hell did /dev/sdd1 Come from?
[01:27] <gutsytrials> And what IS it?
[01:27] <gutsytrials> what if I just delete all of grub?
[01:27] <gutsytrials> How do I find out my /dev/sdx from the disk-3 that shows up in nautilus?
[01:34] <Xemanth> gutsytrials: you can try sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub
[01:35] <Xemanth> gutsytrials: you can see your partition with sudo fdisk -l
[01:35] <Xemanth> mount -command tells which partition are mounted where
[01:35] <gutsytrials> yeah, I found it.
[01:35] <gutsytrials> I'll try that.
[01:37] <gutsytrials> It claims success!
[01:37] <gutsytrials> How can I be sure that that drive is my boot drive?
[01:41] <Xemanth> in next boot :P
[01:41] <Xemanth> :D
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[02:30] <cRhYlove> How do I enable nvidia in gutsy?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> !nvidia
[02:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:33] <cRhYlove> thnx!
[02:34] <cRhYlove> Yeah, but the restricted drivers are not in my System menu!
[02:35] <Hobbsee> kubuntu doesnt have a restricted drivers thing yet
[02:35] <Hobbsee> you cna install the ubuntu one
[02:37] <cRhYlove> No this is Gutsy 7.10 Tribe 3, 64 bit edition.
[02:37] <cRhYlove> no kubuntu.
[02:37] <cRhYlove> And there is NO restricted driver option in the system menu.
[02:37] <noob0-alpha3> testing gutsy alpha3 to see if mdadm works (mdadm didn't work for me in feisty with software raid 5). I installed from the alternative cd and I see a device /dev/md0, but trying to sudo mount /dev/md0 /mnt/raid fails...what to do?
[02:39] <cRhYlove> Is this like some crazy ass new bug?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> actually, i noticed that gone.  not sure where
[02:40] <cRhYlove> what's the terminal code for it?
[02:41] <cRhYlove> Maybe just the menu is missing?
[02:42] <noob0-alpha3> mdadm: i'm seeing the same behaviour as in feisty, namely that my drives dont all get created so my raid cant be assembled
[02:43] <noob0-alpha3> ls /dev/sd*
[02:43] <noob0-alpha3> /dev/sda  /dev/sdb  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sdd  /dev/sdd1
[02:43] <noob0-alpha3> no /dev/sda1
[02:50] <tatters> been trying to upgrade keep getting   "Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found ""  is there any way to remedy this?
[02:51] <noob0-alpha3> well back to edgy..
[02:51] <cRhYlove> could that be related to my problem?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> tatters: check whether it exists....
[02:55] <Hobbsee> i doubt the commercial repo is there for gutsy yest
[02:57] <tatters> apparently it does not exist YET it says it has been released, I followed the advice to update, upgrade and then run update-manager -d , I did not add that link to the repos it di it automatically
[02:59] <lamalex> I'd be surpised if the commercial repo was open for gutsy yet
[03:00] <Hobbsee> tatters: ubuntu tribe 3 si released.  it in no way mentions the canonical commercial repository.
[03:00] <lamalex> they usually don't open that until release
[03:01] <tatters> Y would it be in the download list if it not yet available..do I just ignore the message till it becomes live?
[03:01] <lamalex> remote that repo from your sources.list
[03:02] <tatters> k
[03:08] <cRhYlove> So does this mean I can't have Nvidia drivers yet (and compiz-fusion)? Or am I having a separate and weirder problem?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: what happens if you run restricted<tab> from a command line?  what does it output?
[03:10] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: are you on teh live cd, or in the installed system?
[03:11] <cRhYlove> installed.
[03:11] <cRhYlove> it was on the live cd, funny enough!
[03:11] <Hobbsee> what does apt-cache policy restricted-manager say?
[03:12] <cRhYlove> installed: (none)
[03:12] <Hobbsee> darn.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: how was it on the tribe 3 live cd?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> it wasnt for me...
[03:12] <cRhYlove> yeah, that's a pretty serious error in tribe 3, no?
[03:12] <cRhYlove> it was on the live cd, but now installed system, it is MIA.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> not.....really a critical bug, no.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> for a tribe
[03:13] <cRhYlove> can i get it in synaptic?
[03:13] <Hobbsee> yep
[03:14] <cRhYlove> hurray!
[03:14] <cRhYlove> :)
[03:14] <cRhYlove> Probably have to reboot in a second.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: there are more serious bugs in tribe 3, let me tell you...
[03:14] <cRhYlove> Where should I report this one?
[03:14] <cRhYlove> I'm sure! LOL
[03:15] <coNP> anyone trying to use liferea?
[03:16] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: wouldnt bother - we're looking into it now
[03:16] <coNP> anyone aware why gparted is *so* slow?
[03:16] <cRhYlove> cool.
[03:16] <cRhYlove> well, off to reboot!
[03:16] <cRhYlove> :D
[03:17] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: it's a bug in soyuz, which is part of the build infrastructure
[03:17] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: which is why i held off asking you to report it :)
[03:17] <cRhYlove> good 2 know.
[03:17] <cRhYlove> brb
[03:29] <cRhYlove> Hey, I was also missing the compiz config settings manager, and had to add it by hand in synaptic.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> cRhYlove: by design.  neither are in main.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> apt-cache madison <packagename>
[03:30] <Hobbsee> as in, the main stuff is just the defaults, no config.  at least at the moment
[03:31] <Hobbsee> no extras
[03:46] <cRhYlove> I can't find emerald themes in synaptic!
[03:55] <Dannilion> hello
[03:55] <Dannilion> does anyone know how to get direct rendering on with an intel 945 graphics card and gutsy?
[04:03] <crdlb> Dannilion, sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
[04:09] <crdlb> Dannilion, did you get that?
[04:12] <Dannilion> nope :(
[04:13] <Dannilion> my laptop's battery died- the power cable had come out
[04:14] <crdlb> Dannilion, sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri
[04:16] <Dannilion> okay, installing
[04:16] <crdlb> that's the free DRI package
[04:16] <Dannilion> :)
[04:16] <crdlb> for a (short) while gutsy wasn't going to include it on the cd
[04:16] <crdlb> due to a misunderstanding I guess
[04:17] <Dannilion> It wasn't on the CD yesterday
[04:22] <Dannilion> yay! It works!
[04:23] <Dannilion> thanks crdlb
[04:26] <Hobbsee> crdlb: Dannilion thanks for raising that
[04:26] <Hobbsee> hmm..  this having the ubuntu seeds here is kinda inconvenient
[04:27] <pawan> hi
[04:28] <Dannilion> hi
[04:34] <pawan> can ubuntu be used with windows
[04:35] <coNP> pawan: what do you mean?
[04:35] <pawan> i have windows installed in my system
[04:35] <Dannilion> you can dual boot it, yes
[04:36] <pawan> now i wanna set ubuntu without destroying windows
[04:36] <coNP> it is possible
[04:36] <Dannilion> easiest way is a new harddrive
[04:36] <pawan> how to make partitions
[04:36] <pawan> i have fat32 filesystem
[04:37] <Dannilion> the way I did it was to defrag Windows, then resize the partition and use the free space to create my Linux partitions
[04:37] <pawan> does it preserver the data
[04:37] <Dannilion> it did for me, but I made sure there was plenty of free space and defragged first
[04:38] <jussi01> defrag several times...
[04:38] <pawan> cant we use without defrag
[04:38] <jussi01> I recommend at least 3
[04:38] <pawan> i should defrag all the drives three times
[04:38] <jussi01> yes
[04:39] <pawan> my hard disk is 400gb
[04:39] <jussi01> it will minimise the amount of risk of losing data
[04:39] <pawan> with 10 partitions
[04:39] <jussi01> the 2nd and 3rd times will be much quicker
[04:40] <Anton99> a am defragmented 10 times :) the last been only 2 minutes long :P
[04:40] <jussi01> your call... but thats my reccomendation...
[04:42] <pawan> if i create manully linux partition
[04:43] <Dannilion> I only defragged once, but it was a new install of XP :p
[04:43] <pawan> in have window xp and windows 2008 server installed
[04:43] <pawan> one partion is fat32 and other is ntfs
[04:45] <Anton99> better resize NTFS
[04:45] <Anton99> this is more secure
[04:45] <Anton99> :)
[04:45] <pawan> how much space does ubuntu takes
[04:46] <Anton99> approx. 2GB
[04:46] <pawan> i ntfs partition is 19.5 gb
[04:46] <pawan> with free 10 gb
[04:46] <Anton99> ok, you can defrag and resize to 15Gb
[04:46] <Anton99> and give 5Gb to / and 0.5Gb to swap
[04:47] <Anton99> how much RAM you have?
[04:47] <pawan> 512mb
[04:47] <pawan> how to resize
[04:51] <Anton99> you are already defragmented?
[04:51] <pawan> i started the defragmentation process
[04:51] <pawan> of the 19.5 gb drive
[04:51] <Anton99> ok. how important info is on this partition?
[04:52] <pawan> the os windows 2008 server is there
[04:52] <Anton99> i hate mustdie servers :)
[04:53] <pawan> do i have to defrag all the partions or only the 19.5 gb partition
[04:56] <Anton99> only what partition you want to resize
[04:56] <pawan> the 19.5 gb
[04:56] <Anton99> yes :)
[04:56] <pawan> i started the defrag process
[04:57] <pawan> but why to defrag
[04:57] <rohan> can someone please check and mark this bug as confirmed ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/127053 ..  i am almost sure that it's a real bug
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127053 in sun-java6 "Problem in sun-java6-jdk documentation" [Undecided,New]
[04:58] <Anton99> !bug
[04:58] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:58] <rohan> Anton99: if that was directed towards me, i wonder what was the purpose ?
[04:59] <rohan> it's a bug i reported myself
[04:59] <coNP> rohan: I'll check
[04:59] <rohan> coNP: thanks
[04:59] <coNP> btw you can say bug 127053
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127053 in sun-java6 "Problem in sun-java6-jdk documentation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127053
[05:00] <rohan> ah, i didn't know ;)
[05:00] <coNP> ubotu is quite smart :)
[05:00] <rohan> i think there was a different bot for it .. ubugtu or so
[05:00] <coNP> (altough it is only a *bot*)
[05:00] <coNP> it is history now
[05:00] <rohan> any reason why ?
[05:01] <Pici> ubugtu and ubotu were merged
[05:01] <rohan> ah ok
[05:01] <JosefK> is anyone having trouble switching between X and vtt's with 'nvidia-glx', 'nvidia-glx-new' and an 8800GTS?
[05:04] <Anton99> :) no
[05:04] <Anton99> i have FX5500 :D
[05:04] <coNP> btw. anyone using liferea
[05:04] <coNP> and having troubles while updating feeds?
[05:05] <rohan> coNP: please ping me once you look into the bug ..
[05:05] <coNP> rohan: I get the source
[05:05] <coNP> rohan: 37% [1 sun-java6 40661632/109MB 37%]                               134kB/s 8m29s
[05:05] <rohan> ah ok, coNP
[05:08] <rohan> coNP: err, to mark it as confirmed you could've just got teh binary package ? :)
[05:09] <coNP> 1. I don't have enough space for that
[05:09] <coNP> 2. If it is so, I can fix it quickly
[05:09] <coNP> (3. use the source, luke :))
[05:09] <rohan> ah ok
[05:20] <coNP> rohan: what is the version of jdk you have?
[05:22] <rohan> coNP: java version "1.6.0_01"
[05:23] <coNP> try to update, java 1.6.0_02 seems to have this fixed
[05:30] <rohan> coNP: ah ok .. thanks
[05:30] <coNP> yw, rohan
[05:30] <coNP> did you try that
[05:31] <rohan> i can't try it right now .. but if it's fixed, can you mark it that way, coNP ?
[05:33] <Dannilion> okay, is there a guide to getting compiz fusion working nicely in Kubuntu?
[05:34] <jussi01> Dannilion: it doesnt like kubuntu right now...
[05:34] <Dannilion> okay
[05:34] <Dannilion> I shall install beryl then
[05:34] <jussi01> Dannilion: I have it and it has a few bugs atm
[05:34] <Dannilion> such as?
[05:35] <jussi01> like maxiised windows, and shadows are nasty...
[05:35] <Dannilion> (apart from a distinct lack of instructions anywhere for gutsy and kde)
[05:35] <Dannilion> ahh
[05:35] <Anton99> !gutsy
[05:35] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[05:35] <Anton99> ;
[05:36] <Dannilion> do they have instructions for compiz fusion in kubuntu gutsy?
[05:36] <jussi01> Dannilion: I dont think so
[05:37] <jussi01> Dannilion: best off asking in #ubuntu-effects
[05:37] <rohan> coNP: thank you for testing that bug. if it's solved, please mark it .. because it's not good to mark one's own bugs
[05:37] <rohan> bbl for now
[05:37] <Dannilion> okay
[05:39] <kahrn> Anyone alive?
[05:39] <Dannilion> I am
[05:40] <kahrn> Are you using xubuntu tribe 3? I'm having a little problem with xfce4-mount-plugin (possibly a bug) and wondered if anyone else was having the same problem.
[05:41] <Anton99> kahrn, this same :)
[05:42] <pawan> hi
[05:42] <kahrn> you have the same problem?
[05:42] <kahrn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=505436
[05:42] <pawan> what is wubi
[05:45] <pawan> hello
[05:48] <coNP> oh, rohan is left
[05:48] <coNP> it is a pity
[05:49] <jussi01> coNP: you saw his comments earlier?
[05:49] <coNP> yep, but I don't want to install java
[05:49] <coNP> java6 I mean
[05:50] <coNP> np, I get the package and check that
[07:31] <tech404> does anyone know how the compiz/beryl fusion is effecting gusty?
[07:32] <crdlb> tech404, hmm?
[07:32] <crdlb> well it's gutsy, and gutsy will ship with compiz fusion enabled by default
[07:36] <eagles0513875> lol
[07:36] <eagles0513875> now ur tempting me to test it out lol
[07:36] <eagles0513875> but ive installed so much im just asking to break something
[07:37] <tech404> thanks for the correction, is it fairly stable in the current release
[07:37] <blizzow> Anyone here been successful with installing VMware on Gutsy?
[07:38] <eagles0513875> blizzow: u running 64bit
[07:38] <blizzow> nope.
[07:38] <eagles0513875> its rather complicated
[07:38] <eagles0513875> blizzow: i use something more light weight and its so easy to setup its called virtual box i tried it on a 64bit versino of gutsy with no luck
[07:38] <blizzow> I don't mind rtfm'ing as long as someone points me to the fm.
[07:39] <eagles0513875> im no help
[07:39] <eagles0513875> blizzow: try out virtual box its actually a lighter weight virtual machine software
[07:39] <eagles0513875> vry similar to vmwareserver
[07:41] <blizzow> Is it in a special repository?  I don't see it in my package list.
[07:42] <eagles0513875> u have to go and download the source and compile it from source from their site
[07:42] <stdin> !VirtualBox
[07:42] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[07:43] <eagles0513875> stdin: j/w does any 64bit version of kubuntu run 32bit apps
[07:46] <stdin> eagles0513875: with the 32bit compatibility libs, yes
[07:47] <eagles0513875> ahhhh ok
[07:48] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: welcome back
[07:50] <Hobbsee> ty
[07:52] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: thought u were out for the night
[07:52] <eagles0513875> stdin: u much of a programmer
[07:52] <stdin> not really, I'm just learning C++ (i bought a book)
[07:53] <eagles0513875> damn ok its so hard to find good programmers lol
[07:53] <stdin> try in the -devel channels, there's a few in those
[07:54] <eagles0513875> stdin: its a project of mine own designing my own distro a cluster version
[07:55] <blizzow> Why, why why, do programmers insist on reinventing the wheel?
[07:55] <stdin> because the wheel is imperfect :p
[07:56] <blizzow> stdin: If programmers worked on fixing the first wheel instead of re-inventing it, the wheel would've been perfected eons ago.
[07:57] <stdin> but now there are lots of wheels to suit your needs. (and I'm liking the wheel analogy :p )
[07:58] <eagles0513875> lol i like too
[08:04] <mrfeetio> are the kde4 packages in the gutsy repos?
[08:05] <stdin> yeah
[08:05] <mrfeetio> are they kept up to date?
[08:06] <stdin> I think they are the alpha ones, 3.80.3
[08:06] <mrfeetio> thanks
[08:06] <stdin> but if you want up-to-date it's best to grab the svn source
[08:12] <Gadi> hello, all.  I have been working on a liveCD based on gutsy for a bit, which was working well until I recently upgraded the kernel to -8 (from -7) and now, it appears the loop device is broken
[08:12] <Gadi> is this a known issue?
[08:12] <Gadi> (I mean mounting a loop device within the initramfs)
[08:43] <pvandewyngaerde> hmm, i broke it   adept and firefox dont work anymore
[09:01] <pvandewyngaerde> ***MEMORY-WARNING***: firefox-bin[9539] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon...
[09:03] <Some_Person> When will the old Gusty Gibbon be out?
[09:03] <Pici> Some_Person: 10/07 is all goes well. Hence version 7.10 :)
[09:03] <pvandewyngaerde> 7.10 = 2007.10 = oktober
[09:04] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: /topic
[09:04] <Some_Person> Why does the topic say "Go Ape"?
[09:04] <Some_Person> oh, so thats how they get the version numbers
[09:05] <Some_Person> but why the go ape?
[09:06] <Pici> Some_Person: Gibbons are a type of monkey
[09:06] <Some_Person> oh
[09:07] <Some_Person> What was the first release of Ubuntu?
[09:08] <geem> hiyas
[09:09] <Pici> !codenames | Some_Person
[09:09] <ubotu> Some_Person: Ubuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more
[09:09] <jussi01> Some_Person: go read the ubuntu website...
[09:10] <ubunut> i wanna help the developers
[09:10] <ubunut> i'll be the test idjet
[09:10] <Some_Person> But I've heard of pre-4.10 releases: 4.04 and 3.10
[09:10] <ubunut> i have newb mentality
[09:10] <Some_Person> or were those just typos?
[09:10] <ubunut> i could be useful
[09:10] <ubunut> and i need a job
[09:10] <ubunut> HaHa HaHa HaHa HaHa HaHa
[09:11] <PriceChild> Some_Person, those don't/didn't exist, you are offtopic for this channel.
[09:22] <corevette> are desktop effects going to be on kubuntu by default also?
[09:30] <borschty> i got the problem that my ubuntu does not boot up anymore, it just loads the kernel, but it does not seem to find the disks, after some time i got into the busybox console now and /dev/disk/by-uuid does not exist - got something changed in that area lately?
[09:37] <pvandewyngaerde> did you change partitions ?
[09:38] <borschty> no
[09:39] <borschty> maybe i have to add that the pc completely locked up during an upgrade
[09:40] <borschty> i rebootet, using an older kernel, which had not gone throug configuration and did a dpkg-reconfigure -a (iirc) to configure the missing packages
[09:41] <borschty> after that i reinstalled the linux-* packages, udev, grub, initramfs-tools, just to be on the safe side, cause the crash happened somewhere during the configuration of those
[09:54] <kalman> hi, all. I just upgraded to gutsy from feisty
[09:55] <kalman> however I'm still using kde 3.7.5
[09:55] <kalman> how to upgrade to 4 ?
[09:57] <jussi01> !kde4
[09:57] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[09:57] <databuddy> yey happyness ;)
[09:58] <databuddy> compy in ter mailzorz :>
[09:59] <kalman> my question is, if instead I was installing Tribe 3 CD which KDE whould I have installed ?
[10:00] <kalman> if I see on the web site it seems I would have installed KDE 4 Alpha 2. Am I wrong ?
[10:00] <jussi01> yes
[10:00] <jussi01> 3.5.7
[10:00] <kalman> ok
[10:00] <kalman> !kde
[10:00] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[10:01] <kalman> ok
[10:01] <jussi01> !info kde gutsy
[10:01] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (gutsy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[10:01] <databuddy> jussi01 if one installed via tribe 2 - any reason to try instlaling tribe 3 if one keeps up with the updates? other than verifying that the installer works better of course :D
[10:02] <jussi01> databuddy: no, its exactly the same...
[10:02] <jussi01> afaik
[10:02] <databuddy> figured - just checking
[10:02] <jussi01> :D
[10:02] <databuddy> i had the install bug at manual partitioning on 3 boxes
[10:02] <databuddy> might try the tribe 3 to see if they got that or wat ;)
[10:02] <jussi01> databuddy: did you report a bug?
[10:04] <databuddy> jussi01 yeah - its known - just gotta killall ubiquity and sudo ubiquity from terminal
[10:04] <databuddy> which then seems to work fine
[10:05] <jussi01> databuddy: ok, great. I hate t when people come across bugs and tell no-one...
[10:06] <databuddy> jussi01 thats why im in here.
[10:06] <databuddy> didnt want gutsy to go like feisty did.
[10:07] <jussi01> databuddy: fair play to you. keep up the good work
[10:07] <databuddy> ^^
[10:07] <Raystlin_FM> anyone know how to set dolphin as the default file manager instead of konqueror?
[10:08] <kalman> Raystilin_FM: I'm interested as well
[10:17] <jussi01> Raystlin_FM: yes, i do
[10:18] <Raystlin_FM> sweet!!! is it a pain to do?
[10:18] <jussi01> right click on a folder, and click properties, then the little spanner, then add dolphin as the first one there
[10:18] <jussi01> simple
[10:22] <databuddy> gah
[10:22] <databuddy> what would be the implications if i had only 1 2gb stick of ram in vs 2 1 gb sticks?
[10:23] <databuddy> i really want to take the system to 4GB within about 6 weeks but i dont have the cash to get the larger size both at once
[10:23] <databuddy> i.e. how much performace would i lose by not using the ddr2 function?
[10:26] <jussi01> databuddy: it will still run ok
[10:35] <databuddy> jussi01 as long as i get the same model is that ok for future ram upgrade to run in twin with the first?
[10:35] <jussi01> yeah, i believe so...
[10:35] <databuddy> ya
[10:36] <databuddy> main thing is mobo only says it supports 1.8v ram which tosses out this 1.9v stick i was looking at =[
[10:36] <databuddy> was quite nice too @_@
[10:48] <kahrn> anyone else have the problem of Xfce interface freezing up when a window moves from one desktop to another?
[10:48] <kahrn> in tribe 3
[10:49] <jussi01> databuddy: where are you?
[10:55] <databuddy> los angeles
[10:55] <databuddy> you jussi01?
[10:56] <databuddy> wb kahrn and ive not tried that interface sorry
[10:56] <kahrn> thanks.
[10:56] <jussi01> databuddy: im an aussie... but i live in finland
[10:56] <databuddy> o nice
[10:56] <kahrn> actually the reason i got dc'd was caused it froze when i changed virtual desktop again :/
[10:56] <databuddy> hows finland treating you?
[10:56] <databuddy> kahrn i figured so
[10:57] <databuddy> do you have the extras enabled on the desktop pretty stuff?
[10:57] <kahrn> nope.
[10:57] <jussi01> databuddy: very well. :)
[10:57] <databuddy> grah
[10:58] <databuddy> opinions on whether its worth an extra 30 bucks to go from cas5 to cas4 ?
[10:58] <borschty_> ok, i worked arround the problem of not booting by changing the uuids in fstab and menu.lst to the device-names... i already reinstalled udev and volumeid (and some other stuff)... but /dev/disk/by-uuid is still missing
[10:59] <kahrn> borschty, does the kernel give that error when booting?
[10:59] <jussi01> databuddy: not knowing what cas 4 or cas 5 is... i cant help...
[10:59] <databuddy> ha latencys on ram
[10:59] <databuddy> also seeing some ram without heat spreaders -
[10:59] <jussi01> oh, ummm, still no idea. if you have the money, do it
[11:01] <borschty_> kahrn:no... actually it was the only thing booting, before i changed the uuids ;)
[11:23] <jsestri2> is there a way to read the bootlog? It goes past so fast I can't read it, and there's a fail on it i'd like to see...also my boot is hanging before the command prompt...
[11:36] <davmor2> What would cause the fonts to be screwy on my laptop but not on my desktop?  By screwy, they're about an inch or so in size
[11:37] <davmor2> I was wondering if it might be the intel 945 display driver?
[11:39] <databuddy> davmor2 check your dpi settings
[11:40] <davmor2> thanks will do
[11:46] <lontra> isn't there a new kde splash screen in gutsy?
[11:49] <kazukisan> Anyone know how to get ati running direct rendering yes
[11:49] <kazukisan> ?
[11:50] <databuddy> kazukisan eh?
[11:50] <databuddy> what card do you have
[11:50] <kazukisan> ati Radeon x800
[11:50] <databuddy> ah let me run over to the other box brb
[11:50] <masterloki> ok
[11:51] <kazukisan> when i did a fresh install desktop effects was working i installed fglrx but removed it and went back to backup of xorg.conf but desktop effects dont work, but direct rendering was never on when i first installed
[11:51] <masterloki> i assume that you started by running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[11:51] <crysalys> anybody know if acid rip can do more than mpg or avi, i want to do an exact backup of a movie
[11:51] <masterloki> why fglrx ? not needed - ati drivers do fine usually
[11:51] <masterloki> crysalys, look at dvd decryptor google that and mrbass
[11:51] <kazukisan> i dont know why i was a retard lol
[11:52] <kazukisan> ill try running reconfigure see if that helps anything
[11:52] <masterloki> its a common choice naw wait
[11:52] <kazukisan> k
[11:52] <DanaG> Oh, if you want to pause the bootlog, hit scroll lock.
[11:52] <DanaG> However, it sometimes doesn't work.
[11:52] <masterloki> !paste
[11:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:53] <kazukisan> whos pasting?
[11:53] <masterloki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30617/
[11:53] <masterloki> thats current xorg.conf with dual mons both with 3d working
[11:53] <kazukisan> k let me take a look
[11:54] <masterloki> now show me yours ;-)
[11:54] <kazukisan> one sec i will have to get on xchat with box
[11:54] <masterloki> ? just ssh in no?
[11:54] <kazukisan> this laptop is windows
[11:54] <masterloki> i only really need device and screen section
[11:54] <kazukisan> o
[11:54] <masterloki> ok
[11:54] <masterloki> imma run back to the other compy :)
[11:55] <kazukisan> k
[11:55] <databuddy> baCK
[11:55] <kazukisan> lol
[11:55] <databuddy> nothing like walking 10 feet lol
[11:56] <crysalys> masterloki: will dvd decrypter run in Feisty?
[11:57] <databuddy> crysalys absolutely
[11:57] <databuddy> follow the mrbass guide to the letter, and you should be fine
[11:57] <kazukisan> there we go
[11:57] <kazukisan> okay one sec
[11:57] <databuddy> though for shrinking nothing beats css -
[11:57] <kazukisan> !paste
[11:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:58] <kazukisan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30619/ there ya go thats mine
[11:58] <crysalys> databuddy: dvd decrypter creates an iso correct?
[11:58] <kazukisan-lap> ------- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30617/   ---- ignore this
[11:58] <databuddy> crysalys absolutely
[11:59] <databuddy> kazukisan which then? 19 or 17? lol
[11:59] <kazukisan> 17 is yours
[11:59] <databuddy> ah
[11:59] <kazukisan> 19 is mine
[11:59] <crysalys> databuddy: what program do I use to then burn it to a dvd-r?
[11:59] <databuddy> kazukisan join me in #flood
[11:59] <kazukisan> k
[11:59] <databuddy> crysalys k3b beats everything out there
[12:00] <crysalys> is dvd decrypter and k3b available through synaptic?
[12:00] <databuddy> crysalys i told you how to get dvddecryptor - k3b, however is.
[12:01] <kazukisan> dvd decryptor is the way to go but you have to use wine for dvd decryptor
[12:02] <crysalys> kazukisan: i have not had great success with wine in ubuntu
[12:02] <kazukisan> is it installed ?
[12:02] <crysalys> kazukisan: I tried to use it in edgy and I had nothing but problems
[12:03] <kazukisan> i find the best way to get wine working correctly is to get the build-essentials package and also do a apt-get build-dep wine
[12:03] <databuddy> crysalys what hardware are you running?
[12:03] <databuddy> kazukisan bah
[12:03] <kazukisan> then download the source of wine and build
[12:03] <databuddy> sudo apt-get install wine
[12:03] <crysalys> kazukisan: no i do not have it installed on Feisty
[12:03] <databuddy> winecfg - set to nt4.0 i think it is
[12:03] <databuddy> good to go
[12:03] <kazukisan> listen to databuddy he has better way
[12:04] <databuddy> utorrent works fine, dvd-decryptor works fine
[12:04] <databuddy> has to be a certain version for decryptor otherwise it doesnt see the drives
[12:04] <databuddy> so again, what hardware are you running there crysalys
[12:04] <crysalys> databuddy: im running pentium Dual core 1 gig ram
[12:05] <databuddy> yeah i wouldnt worry about it
[12:05] <voidmage> is apparmor installed by default now?
[12:05] <voidmage> a dist-upgrade is prompting me to install it
[12:05] <databuddy> i had good luck with wine in most versions to date
[12:05] <databuddy> but then again, what were you trying to run in wine crysalys?
[12:06] <crysalys> databuddy: so your way is a good way to get it and install it?
[12:06] <databuddy> crysalys ive never had trouble.
[12:06] <databuddy> and i'm here to help you ;)
[12:07] <crysalys> I want to make some copies of some of my dvd movies.  But no one can agree on which program is the best to use to do it.  Currently I am ripping one with acidrip but i dont know if it will do anything other than mpg or avi?
[12:07] <lontra> minor bug ... but ... after upgrading to gutsy all my artwork changed except ksplash.  ksplash still uses the old default background.  is there a workaround for this so that i can get ksplash to use the up-to-date version that uses the gutsy background?
[12:07] <voidmage> lontra: I have the same issue, I don't think a new ksplash has been made yet
[12:08] <databuddy> crysalys if your making a copy and want a perfect iso nothing beats dvd-decryptor.
[12:08] <voidmage> does anyone know what stuff would depend on app armor?
[12:08] <databuddy> if you want to rip to avi there's many ways to go about it - crack vobs and reencode via mencoder for instance etc
[12:08] <lontra> voidmage: i thought there is a new ksplash that uses the default gutsy background instead of feisty's wallpaper .. oh well, minor
[12:09] <crysalys> databuddy: i will attempt your instructions and see what happens.  can you send me all the steps again.
[12:10] <databuddy> 1. google mr bass + dvd decryptor
[12:10] <databuddy> 2. sudo apt-get install wine
[12:10] <crysalys> databuddy: is that all databuddy?
[12:11] <databuddy> to get you started
[12:11] <databuddy> tell me when you found the guide and spam me the linky
[12:11] <crysalys> databuddy: ok hold on
[12:13] <crysalys> databuddy: ok i googled mrbass + dvd decryptor
[12:13] <voidmage> does anyone know what depends on apparmor?
[12:13] <voidmage> or how i could easily find that?
[12:14] <crysalys> databuddy: heres the link
[12:14] <crysalys> databuddy: http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/
[12:16] <databuddy> http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/#dvddecrypter
[12:17] <crysalys> databuddy: ok now sudo apt-get wine . . .
[12:18] <databuddy> ya
[12:19] <crysalys> databuddy: running it right now
[12:20] <databuddy> http://mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/dvdshrink/
[12:20] <databuddy> ah there it is
[12:21] <crysalys> databuddy: ok terminal says its done
[12:21] <databuddy> crysalys ok great
[12:21] <databuddy> in that same terminal do winecfg
[12:22] <databuddy> crap
[12:22] <databuddy> gotta take roomate tow ork
[12:22] <databuddy> i'll be back in about 10 minutes
[12:22] <databuddy> kazukisan-lap same 2u im sorry
[12:22] <crysalys> databuddy: ok is it pretty simple from here?


[06:38] <YoBoY> bonjour
[09:18] <Silverlion> good morning!
[17:44] <ashams> akgraner, sorry, I forgot to ping you yesterday on time :(
[17:44] <akgraner> no worries
[17:45] <akgraner> what's up
[17:45] <akgraner> I have a few minutes
[17:45] <ashams> cool
[17:45] <ashams> you know the bugsquad program is dead
[17:45] <ashams> also the motu's
[17:45] <ashams> so can we make another one but alot geenruc
[17:46] <ashams> generic*
[17:46] <ashams> to keep the
[17:46] <ashams> fun
[17:46] <ashams> and avoid the old one's problems
[17:46] <ashams> like mentees want us to teach them everything
[17:46] <ashams> and one-on-one mentorship is exhausting
[17:47] <ashams> w can make it a course-like
[17:47] <ashams> with  prerequisites and tests :)
[17:47] <ashams> and it can be targeted at locos
[17:48] <ashams> to avoid one/one mentorship
[17:48] <ashams> and it can be open for all developers who want to grow their devels community to mentor others through it
[17:48] <ashams> I heard many times from Zeitgeist developers "we need to get more people in", I think they'll love it.
[17:49] <ashams> I'm saying this coz that mentorship program, especially the bugsquad's helped alot in the old days
[17:49] <ashams> I went through it and it was really fun
[17:51] <ashams> ppl at beginners team were trying to find someway to create a group mentorship prog, but in no avail, so far
[17:51] <ashams> so using locos' MLs will help alot
[17:51] <ashams> tyt
[17:52] <ashams> for example, this team, can offer to mentor new locos and it's leaders to get up and running and even to enhance their ways
[18:05]  * akgraner catches up- sorry had a call
[18:05] <ashams> no worries
[18:05] <ashams> well, I wrote almost everything ^ :)
[18:06] <akgraner> I think any mentorship program will need to be in conjunction with teams already working on those things - ie - we'd need to collaborate with the loco council for mentoring there
[18:07] <ashams> yep, a progra m won't be offered untill some team offers it
[18:07] <akgraner> and the Ubuntu Women Team will be rolling out a mentoring program in January - (b/c I won't have it written down until next week)
[18:07] <ashams> what kind of program
[18:08] <ashams> to mentor women?
[18:08] <ashams> that would be a good idea :)
[18:08] <akgraner> it will be open to all but primarily women
[18:09] <akgraner> Bugaquad still exists
[18:09] <akgraner> Bugsquad
[18:09] <ashams> no, it came to end
[18:09] <akgraner> only QA was split off
[18:09] <ashams> a few weeks ago
[18:09] <ashams> that's meetings, not mentorship
[18:10] <akgraner> I'll need to look into that - Carlos and those folks still mentor people
[18:10] <akgraner> so you'll need to get with them on that
[18:11] <akgraner> I am sure they would be happy to have help :-)
[18:11] <akgraner> I'm thinking you have some good ideas, but the next 2 weeks probably aren't a good time to roll out anything new
[18:11] <akgraner> but let's revisit it all after 3 January
[18:12] <ashams> yep, I agree with this
[18:12] <akgraner> when people don't have vacation and holidays on their minds
[18:13] <ashams> akgraner, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2011-November/003550.html
[18:14] <ashams> however, myself still mentoring some, but unofficial
[18:14] <ashams> =uncontrolable
[18:14] <ashams> uncontrollable*
[18:14] <akgraner> ahh ok
[18:15] <akgraner> bbiab  thanks for the link
[18:15] <ashams> yw :)
[18:34] <Silverlion> hi there!
[18:52] <Silverlion> anybody alive here?
[18:53] <ashams> no, we're all zombies
[18:53] <Silverlion> ashams : hahaha
[18:53] <Silverlion> what is the latest news here?
[18:54] <ashams> not much
[18:54] <ashams> one sec
[18:55] <ashams> Silverlion, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects
[18:57] <Silverlion> ashams : thx
[18:57] <ashams> yw :)


[05:05] <michael2> hi, does anyone use vultr for hosting servers? would you recommend them?
[07:15] <ducasse> michael2: that question doesn't really belong in here, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:42] <Xbert> I'm using mod_fastcgi and php which seems to be working but lighttpd is spamming errors to my logs: (mod_fastcgi.c.3565) pid  1106 1 not found: No child processes, my config worked on ubuntu 14.04 this has happened on a new 18.04 install


[01:29] <Budweiser> rww, you suck
[01:43] <Unit193> Now on to sock puppets he goes.
[02:16] <popey> Still find it unfathomable that we tolerate this.
[02:34] <rww> I'm open to suggestions :\
[02:38] <phunyguy> not really much we can do except make all the channels +r
[02:38] <phunyguy> which will not happen
[02:57] <popey> while "contact comcast" might be laughed off, surely we have quite a body of evidence here?
[03:06] <rww> phunyguy: i think there's an argument for making some of them +r. #ubuntu-offtopic is the most notable one. but yeah, it's not gonna work in general
[03:07] <rww> and banning Comcast MA won't work, he uses mobile ISPs and such when one does that
[03:08] <popey> not suggesting an ISP wide ban, but contacting them
[03:08] <popey> at least starting a dialog if we haven't already
[04:09] <daftykins> hope eyes are on this angry individual in #ubuntu :)
[16:54] <HFSPLUS> HFSPLUS HAS ARRIVED
[16:54] <HFSPLUS> bazhang, HFSPLUS HAS ARRIVED
[16:58] <rww> ~iamimmune
[16:58] <rww> classy
[17:01] <h00k> heh.
[17:01] <h00k> srsly, guy, get hobbies.
[17:01] <h00k> says the guy on IRC. :[
[17:05] <h00k> ugh
[17:05] <genii> Yup.
[17:07] <h00k> ~iamimune@* is also valid for +b, yes?
[17:08] <h00k> good nuff, that might help
[17:28] <HFSPLUS> NOOO WAAA
[17:28] <HFSPLUS> NOOO WAAA
[17:28] <Buzhang> HFSPLUS, STFU
[17:29] <Buzhang> !ops
[17:30] <HFSPLUS> bazhang, NOOOOOOOO WAAAAAAAAAAAA
[17:36] <HFSPLUS> Mohi, may we help you?
[17:37] <HFSPLUS> Mohi, may we help you?
[17:38] <Mohi> I was typing an essay ;]
[17:57] <h00k> lol. kline.
[17:58] <rww> yep. we're not the only people he annoysd
[19:37] <HFSPLUS> HFSPLUS HAS ARRIVED
[19:51] <h00k> get a job, bro
[21:26] <Squidward> what did i do?
[21:26] <ikonia> you kept repeating to vote for someone
[21:26] <Squidward> ok
[21:27] <Squidward> unban m
[21:27] <Squidward> e
[21:27] <rww> why?
[21:28] <HFSPLUS> because i am HFSPLUS
[21:28] <ikonia> nope
[21:28] <rww> shocked
[21:28] <ikonia> exactly
[21:28] <ikonia> so just move on
[21:28] <ikonia> I'd suggest you just move on
[21:28] <ikonia> lets not waste time
[21:28] <HFSPLUS> yes lets not waste time
[21:30] <ikonia> @ignore<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:31] <rww> . @ignore in a channel only applies to that channel
[21:31] <rww> use PM
[21:31] <ikonia> actually meant to
[21:31] <rww> ok
[21:31] <ikonia> done
[21:31] <ikonia> thanks
[21:38] <saltabecca> Sera chiedo gentilmente mi venga rimosso il mute
[21:40] <lultron> i believe my conversation linking http://pastebin.com/QnHSbAYj was a valid irc conversation as the text tells how to fix all ubuntus driver issues
[21:40] <saltabecca> Jester gentilmente puoi rimuovermi il mute?? Grazie in anticipo saltabecca
[21:40] <lultron> can i please be unbanned from the ubuntu channel
[21:40] <ikonia> saltabecca: try #ubuntu-it-ops
[21:41] <ikonia> lultron: just spamming conversations from ##linux is nothing to do with ubuntu
[21:41] <ikonia> I forwaded you here to explain this to you
[21:41] <ikonia> lultron: telling people to stfu and rtfm isn't really welcome either
[21:41] <lultron> It has to be read in its entire 372 lines, and you would notice you are completely incorrect
[21:41] <lultron> i do agree stfu and rtfm was rude
[21:41] <ikonia> it doesn't have to be read
[21:41] <lultron> but it was also rude not to read the text
[21:41] <ikonia> I did scim through it
[21:41] <lultron> If it's not read, you can't decide its' relevance logically
[21:42] <lultron> you're just being a tyrant
[21:42] <ikonia> no, I'm really not
[21:42] <lultron> do you do this for free or tax dollars
[21:42] <ikonia> or I would have just banned you
[21:42] <lultron> ubuntu driver support
[21:42] <ikonia> such as ##windows
[21:42] <lultron> do i pay you or
[21:42] <ikonia> but you're also posting that link in other non-linux channels
[21:42] <lultron> are you helping me for free
[21:42] <ikonia> focus
[21:42] <ikonia> stop trying to insult,
[21:42] <lultron> i just want to know
[21:42] <lultron> what kind of deal we're getting
[21:43] <ikonia> lultron: I think I'll leave it there then while you're trying to be smart
[21:43] <ikonia> come back when you want to talk without trying to put sly insults in
[22:44] <k1l> can someone confirm?
[22:44] <ikonia> 2 people have in #ubuntu
[22:44] <ikonia> 2 people who seem solid contributors
[22:46] <k1l> checked the ip. known pm spammer
[23:27] <k1l> i think i saw mendax the other day
[23:27] <ikonia> yup


[19:36] <TLoT> hiya!  anyone got any idea what importance this should be?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1059272 <-- I'm thinking low or wishlist, it doesn't impact functionality at all
[19:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059272 in php5 "php5-fpm init.d script does not return when php5-fpm is started or stopped" [Undecided,New]
[19:36] <TLoT> that, and i need someone to test/confirm :)


 Don't we have a name and archive for w yet?
[07:08] <elfy> diwic: no - not yet
[07:11] <diwic> elfy, ok...I wonder what's taking so long.
[07:15] <elfy> no idea - I'm not Mark ;)
[07:48] <LocutusOfBorg1> bdmurray, ping :)
[07:48] <LocutusOfBorg1> I received a mail regarding a phased-update
[07:48] <LocutusOfBorg1> but I can't login to see it
[07:53] <pitti> wgrant: ah, v-done \o/
[07:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> if anybody can pastebin to me this link https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/35bb694c581825f0eec62d1fcc38e7654941fbcb
[07:53] <pitti> wgrant: as we do all builds in -proposed, the new mangler is already effective; so we mostly just need to get it into -security now so that we can flip on ddebs in LP?
[07:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'll be grateful
[07:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> also https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/2ff630d95be5b0005424b6f887ba2fd88a4b4781 and https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/7f00260fc0706bef5a73f0de8b5a91f3e9f5abd3
[07:55] <wgrant> pitti: Indeed, we should published to updates and security and then break lucid^W^Wenable ddebs.
[07:55] <pitti> RIP lucid, it's your last day of duty
[07:55] <wgrant> :'(
[07:55] <pitti> no new gccs for lucid any more :)
[07:55] <wgrant> Hard to believe we're killing off the third LTS already.
[07:56] <wgrant> artigas is still going, though.
[07:56] <wgrant> I don't think its final breath will make it.
[07:56] <wgrant> I'm going to leave it going out of respect, though.
[08:02] <LocutusOfBorg1> lucid ship with kernel 2.6.32, how old I feel
[08:10] <jasabella> hi there :)
[08:12] <jasabella> is the ubuntu kernel tweaked in any way which improves laptop battery life?
[08:30] <LocutusOfBorg1> so nobody with access to errors.ubuntu.com?
[08:32] <seb128> LocutusOfBorg1, define access? the site works fine for me
[08:33] <Laney> I think you need to be in some team to get at the errors themselves
[08:34] <Laney> LocutusOfBorg1: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-May/001039.html I think is what you want to do
[09:06]  * hyperair wonders if it's possible to restart the system dbus daemon without bringing down the rest of the machine
[09:25] <larsu> hyperair: most things assume that dbus is always available, so probably not
[09:26] <lathiat> dbus api supports gracefully reconnecting but probably this code path is poorly if ever tested in most software :P
[09:31] <hyperair> hmm damnit
[09:31] <hyperair> my dbus daemon is consuming 300MB of memory and i want to reclaim that RAM
[09:40] <Odd_Bloke> slangasek: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/jenkins_kvm/view/head:/should_build.py
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> seb128, Laney the problem is "Sorry, you are not a member of a group that is allowed to see the data from error reports. Please fill out this form to request access."
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> I got two mails from bdmurray bot regarding "Possible regression"
[09:52] <Laney> Suggest you fill out the form
[09:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> I did it :)
[09:53] <Laney> then you'll be able to access these things yourself
[09:53] <Laney> nice
[09:53] <Laney> I don't know who receives those, hopefully shouldn't be long
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> ok, I was wondering about which kind of regression introduced the latest virtualbox update
[09:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> I don't want to have a bad update in the archive
[09:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> I hope somebody will enable me soon
[09:59] <pragomer> how can I set the default language of the ubuntu live cd at gfxboot? it has english as default. where can I change it?
[10:41] <pitti> wgrant, slangasek: do you know whether we need to copy p-c-d to *-security as well? i. e. do the security buildd chroots have -updates enabled?
[10:42] <cjwatson> pitti: We do need to copy it to -security, yes.
[10:48] <shadeslayer> doko_: python 3.4 broken now :'(
[10:51] <LocutusOfBorg1> shadeslayer, in debian is broken too
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=virtualbox&arch=amd64&ver=4.3.26-dfsg-3&stamp=1430382229
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> still getting build failures
[10:53] <cjwatson> pitti: Are we otherwise good to go?
[10:54] <pitti> cjwatson: thumbs up from my POV
[10:55] <cjwatson> pitti: Are you able to do the copy?  Otherwise I believe I still can
[10:55] <pitti> cjwatson: yes, can do
[10:57] <pragomer> how to set the default language of the ubuntu live cd at gfxboot menu?
[10:57] <cjwatson> put the language code in question in /isolinux/lang
[10:58] <pitti> cjwatson: sent the copy-package command for vivid, waiting for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-create-dbgsym/+publishinghistory before I copy the others
[10:59] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, it's in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+queue?queue_state=1, approving
[10:59] <pitti> ok, pending in vivid-security now, doing the others
[10:59] <cjwatson> pitti: you can use --auto-approve on the copy
[11:00] <pitti> nice
[11:00] <pitti> done: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkg-create-dbgsym/+publishinghistory
[11:01] <pitti> now only the wobbly walrus task is open
[11:01] <pitti> *nnnng* name!
[11:02] <cjwatson> and we can make sure to copy that before anything else once we open
[11:02] <pitti> don't we want to copy everything from vivid-updates anyway?
[11:02] <cjwatson> indeed, we just don't necessarily do that first
[11:11] <cjwatson> wgrant: We have the fixed pkg-create-dbgsym everywhere except *-RELEASE and lucid now.  Can you switch ddebs back on?
[11:12] <wgrant> yep, will do when i'm back from lunch
[11:12] <wgrant> hopefully with a certain word
[11:12] <shadeslayer> LocutusOfBorg1: yeah, that's what I meant
[11:28] <pragomer> In this tutorial they say that language-selection could not be preseeded and has to added to kernel options.
[11:28] <pragomer> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization/PreseedExamples
[11:28] <pragomer> in what file do I add that?
[11:48] <slangasek> pitti: the answer is yes, and I've copied them to the security pocket per wgrant
[11:49] <slangasek> pitti: or possibly you did it before I got to it ;)
[12:28] <pitti> slangasek: right, see my conversation with cjwatson 1.5 hours ago; should be all good now
[12:52] <apw> pitti, yo ... could this failure be you ?  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/205206558/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-ppc64el.linux_3.19.0-16.16_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:53] <pitti> apw: ah, it is
[12:54] <pitti> apw: we introduced a new dh_gencontrol wrapper for dbgsyms for bug 1448247, and it seems that interferes with the manual dbgsym creation in the kernel, argh
[12:55] <apw> pitti, yeah we don't have version skew as far as i know, but ... indeed ... blamo
[12:55] <pitti> apw: is that some PPA?
[12:56] <apw> pitti, yep, the canonical-kernel-team/ubuntu/ppa
[12:57] <wgrant> Oh, hm.
[12:57] <wgrant> Maybe this will break anything that uses dh_strip -p but a non-specific dh_gencontrol?
[12:58] <pitti> apw: filed as bug 1450464
[12:58] <pitti> wgrant: no, pretty special to the kernel package
[12:59] <pitti> as that creates -dbgsyms entirely by itself; so it seems at that point the -dbgsym package dir exists, but not its DEBIAN/control
[12:59] <wgrant> h, right.
[12:59] <pitti> which is a bit odd *after* you call dh_gencontrol
[12:59] <pitti> but I figure the -dbgsym isn't in debian/control
[13:00] <wgrant> IIRC they are, but they are built as debs then renamed to ddebs later.
[13:00] <wgrant> But the rename only happens when the ddeb flag is enabled in LP, IIRC.
[13:03]  * pitti goes to fix
[13:04] <pitti> I think I'll let dh_strip place a marker into DEBIAN/, and dh_gencontrol will only process the package if that marker exists
[13:04] <pitti> that seems safest
[13:04] <pitti> that way, if someone else creates a -dbgsym/ our dh_gencontrol won't touch it
[13:04] <wgrant> Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
[13:07] <henrix> pitti: so, if i understood correctly, once that fix is done, i can simply hit the 'retry' button and the kernel should build ok
[13:07] <pitti> henrix: right; I'll test it in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ddeb-test before
[13:08] <henrix> pitti: awesome, thanks!  do you have an ETA for having that fixed?
[13:08] <pitti> henrix: probably best to subscribe to that bug, then you'll know exactly when what happens?
[13:08] <henrix> pitti: ack, will do
[13:08] <pitti> henrix: shouldn't take more than an hour or two for creating a test and the fix, then rebuilding the kernel
[13:09] <henrix> pitti: ok, cool
[13:09] <pitti> henrix: but landing it everywhere might take until Monday, I'm afraid
[13:09] <pitti> henrix: until then, you can of course copy the fixed mangler into the kernel PPA
[13:09] <cjwatson> pitti: why so long?
[13:09] <cjwatson> this seems like it can be a pretty quick test job
[13:09] <pitti> the kernel takes a while to build, doesn't it?
[13:10] <cjwatson> yeah, but would be ready by tomorrow
[13:10] <cjwatson> and I really want new ddebs switched on for W opening
[13:10] <pitti> yeah
[13:10] <pitti> well, let me do that fix first
[13:10] <cjwatson> and TBH an x86 kernel isn't going to take *that* long
[13:10] <pitti> I'll try to get online tomorrow for some time, but we have some things planned
[13:12] <cjwatson> pitti: can William and I sort it out if it looks plausible?
[13:12] <pitti> of course
[13:12] <pitti> it's mostly the SRU/verification mechanics at that point
[13:14] <pitti> cjwatson: anyway, this doesn't block the ddeb flag in LP, does it?
[13:15] <pitti> cjwatson: seems the kernel build will break either way
[13:15] <cjwatson> pitti: I guess that's true, so wgrant could turn that on any time
[13:15] <pitti> *nod*
[13:16] <doko> jamespage, are the openstack packages for 14.04 already compatible with python 2.7.9?
[13:24] <pitti> ok, reproduced with a simple test case
[13:26] <wgrant> Right, given this dseems under control and irrelevant, I might flip it all back on and watch for fireworks.
[13:35] <wgrant> cjwatson: (not enabling it on the silos until the next LP ndt, since the API to make it less arduous is in the rev after what's on prod now)
[13:56] <pitti> wgrant: btw, I cleared https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ddeb-test/+packages about an hour ago, but it still says "1.9 GiB (95.91%) of 2.0 GiB"
[13:57] <pitti> wgrant: can I still build a kernel there, or will that fail with ENOSPC or so?
[13:58] <cjwatson> wgrant: yup
[13:59] <cjwatson> pitti: probably waiting for garbage collection; I've doubled its quota
[13:59] <pitti> thanks
[13:59] <pitti> hm, where did my dput to the PPA go..
[13:59] <pitti> henrix, cjwatson, wgrant: test case and fix are in bzr, uploaded to PPA; once it appears and is published I'll copy the kernel there for a test-build
[14:00] <henrix> pitti: great, thanks
[14:02] <pitti> wgrant: hm, might I have broken something by deleting all the packages and uploading ../pkg-create-dbgsym_0.66pitti1_source.changes ? it's a newer version than what I had before, but so far I neither got an accept nor reject
[14:02] <pitti> and it's been 7 minutes now, it usually appears in one minute or so
[14:03] <pitti> ah, and of course there it is, sorry for the noise
[14:28] <pitti> cjwatson, wgrant, henrix: trusty/utopic/vivid SRUs uploaded, vivid kernel building in PPA; the precise backport still causes some trouble, I'll look after that later; I need to run out for a bit for some errands
[14:32] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg1: I get the form emails as of recently and will sort out your accesss
[14:34] <bdmurray> LocutusOfBorg1: you should be able to access one of the crashes now, two of them OOPS and I'll look into that today
[14:34] <bdmurray> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/35bb694c581825f0eec62d1fcc38e7654941fbcb
[14:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> <3
[15:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> bdmurray,  Linux 3.19.0-031900-generic x86_64
[15:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> the users have a too new kernel that is preventing dkms from compiling
[15:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> so at least https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/066b8ec0-ef3c-11e4-9f4b-fa163e4aaad4 is invalid
[15:25] <fginther> pitti, do you know why 'build-essential' is explicitly added to the trusty adt testbeds?
[15:26] <fginther> pitti, it is not added to utopic or vivid
[15:27] <fginther> jibel, perhaps you know? ^
[15:39] <infinity> fginther: Because it was there (unintentionally) during trusty development, so there are tests that depend on it, and making the testbed consistent with when the tests were written is easier/saner than auditing all the tests.
[15:40] <pitti> fginther: right, what infinity said; mostly for avoiding breaking trusty tests
[15:40] <fginther> infinity, thanks, that was what I needed to know
[15:41] <pitti> now a lot of them are broken for different reasons :/ but it did help for some at least
[15:41] <infinity> pitti: Where are we at with pkg-create-dbgsym blocking the kernel?  Should I just copy your -proposed uploads to the kernel PPA, so they can be unblocked while we validate?
[15:42] <pitti> infinity: I'm doing test builds in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/+archive/ubuntu/ddeb-test/+packages
[15:42] <pitti> infinity: sure, we can copy it there, too
[15:42] <pitti> infinity: I haven't tested it with a full kernel yet, just with the small test case (but the error there was exactly the same)
[15:43] <infinity> pitti: Is there a worse potential failure mode than an FTBFS?  Cause I'm okay with burning CPU on a potential FTBFS, less keen on a broken build result.
[15:45] <pitti> infinity: can hardly get worse indeed
[15:51] <infinity> pitti: Okay, all accepted to -proposed.  As soon as the binaries publish, I'll copy to the ckt PPA and retry their failed builds.
[15:51] <pitti> infinity: precise is in the queue as well now (although I wouldn't mind waiting for the test build first -- you can copy p-c-d from my PPA to the kernel PPA rather?)
[15:51] <infinity> pitti: Too late. :P
[15:51] <pitti> ok :)
[18:27] <barry> doko, bdmurray check your email. i think i have the solution
[18:45] <bdmurray> barry: in that conversation, about python-pip, I'd asked about gathering better information with apport. Do you think getting the ~/.pip/pip.log would help? I just happened to run across a report with pip install httpie so got lucky there
[18:46] <barry> bdmurray: i don't think it necessarily helps.  i understand what's going on now.
[18:47] <bdmurray> barry: I don't mean with this specific situation, but generally for future python-pip issues.
[18:47] <barry> bdmurray: ah, in that case, i think it certainly couldn't hurt
[18:51] <bdmurray> barry: okay, and then are you good with overriding the regression since the same issue exists with the release version of python-pip?
[18:53] <barry> bdmurray: i think i don't understand what "override the regression" means.  does it just mean that the two errors will land in the same bucket?
[18:59] <bdmurray> barry: it means that the update of python-pip has stopped phasing and only reached 10% of users - http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html If we override the errors then it will start rephasing at 20%.
[19:00] <bdmurray> and might stop again if new errors are found
[19:00] <barry> bdmurray: then i'm tempted not to override yet.  i want to see what doko thinks about my proposed solution (make python-pip depend on python-pip-whl).  until that happens i think we'll just keep getting errors, albeit perhaps infrequently
[19:01] <bdmurray> barry: got it


[10:24] <butti> hello and goof morning
[10:24] <butti> good*
[10:26] <butti> I have a quastion: is it the support channel for ubuntu?
[10:27] <butti> oh i see
[10:27] <butti> is it not
[10:28] <butti> anyway happy to find women channel
[10:37] <chengshiding> hello
[10:37] <chengshiding> there have many people
[10:48] <butti> hey chengshiding
[10:49] <chengshiding> hi butti
[10:49] <butti> nice to meet you
[10:49] <chengshiding> me too
[10:52] <chengshiding> which versions of ubuntu you used.
[10:52] <butti> im runing 10.04 64bit
[10:53] <chengshiding> good. i'm running the archlinux + xfce4
[10:54] <butti> i am not real linux geek but...just loving
[10:54] <butti> great
[10:54] <butti> i wanted to try this
[10:54] <chengshiding> i feel badly with the gnome3
[10:54] <butti> do you have 64bit?
[10:55] <butti> really?
[10:55] <chengshiding> so, i uninstall the ubuntu.
[10:55] <butti> ah gnome3
[10:55] <chengshiding> no, i'm 32 bit
[10:55] <butti> i still dont know this
[10:55] <butti> i am on gnome2
[10:56] <butti> what are your intrests/ specialitys?
[10:56] <chengshiding> ha
[10:56] <butti> :)
[10:56] <butti> sorry if im going to far
[10:57] <chengshiding> yes, l love the linux system. and i'm a developer
[10:57] <butti> what are you developing?
[10:57] <chengshiding> c/c++
[10:58] <butti> great!
[10:58] <chengshiding> thanks
[10:58] <butti> i am very imprest
[10:58] <chengshiding> and you/
[10:59] <butti> well..iam more into 3d/blender/virtual reality
[10:59] <butti> now im am laerning java
[10:59] <butti> trying to make first android app
[10:59] <chengshiding> nice
[10:59] <chengshiding> wait. i have something to do
[10:59] <chengshiding> see you late
[11:00] <butti> sure
[11:18] <chengshiding> hi butti
[11:18] <chengshiding> Is   butti here
[11:18] <butti> hey
[11:19] <butti> still there :)
[11:19] <chengshiding> oh
[11:19] <butti> no...dont think i was waiting for you so badly :)
[11:19] <chengshiding> thanks
[11:19] <butti> just watching with left eye the channel
[11:20] <chengshiding> oh. ha
[11:21] <butti> trying to fix some bug or strange behavour of nautilus...
[11:21] <chengshiding> good
[11:22] <chengshiding> enable the 3D?
[11:22] <butti> yes..i have compiz on
[11:23] <chengshiding> great
[11:23] <butti> i think you are such minimalistic geek
[11:23] <butti> xcfe...
[11:24] <chengshiding> i know that situation with a magic ...
[11:26] <butti> ...
[11:27] <chengshiding> Have you MSN account? i want to ...
[11:27] <butti> oh no...msn? how do come to msn?
[11:27] <chengshiding> mybe i have some rough
[11:27] <butti> are you an amarican?
[11:28] <butti> sorry..you dont need to answare this...
[11:28] <butti> msn is here not so popular
[11:28] <butti> more skype or jabber
[11:28] <chengshiding> oh , yeah
[11:29] <chengshiding> here is QQ more popular.
[11:30] <butti> you see...here we would ask: whats that?
[11:30] <butti> :)
[11:33] <chengshiding> QQ is a IM just like the MSN
[11:55] <JanC> QQ is a chinese IM IIRC
[11:55] <JanC> ?
[11:59] <butti> hello JanC , good morning
[11:59] <butti> i am new here
[12:00] <butti> you say chinese?
[12:00] <JanC> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tencent_QQ
[12:02] <JanC> it's supported in Empathy & Pidgin
[12:05] <JanC> or was supported, if I can believe wikipedia?
[12:10] <butti> aha aha
[12:53] <butti_> oh sorry...i have double session
[12:54] <butti_> can somobody kick butti?
[13:09] <chengshiding> yes
[13:11] <chengshiding> QQ is an IM that used by chinese
[14:06] <AlanBell> !ghost | butti
[14:06] <ubot4> butti: If you own an IRC nick that is currently being used, you can make it change nicks by typing: /msg nickserv release <nick> <password> | If you have a dead (ghost) connection, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> | further help in #freenode
[14:14] <butti> thank you bot