[10:37] <Digit0> hello
[10:37] <Digit0> My ubuntu One doesn't seem to work
[10:37] <Boohbah> is this a canonical product?
[10:37] <Digit0> I put files in the folder
[10:37] <Digit0> but they don't appear on the web
[10:42] <Digit0> Hello ??
[11:50] <fummy> Heyho, just wanted to ask if there is a way to make my documents folder the default syncing folder?
[11:50] <rtagger> fummy, not at the moment
[11:51] <fummy> damn, thanks anyway
[11:51] <rtagger> fummy, such possibility is being evaluated at the moment, but currently only ~/Ubuntu One folder get synced
[11:51] <tiz> Can't you remove the documents folder and link it to ~/Ubuntu One?
[11:52] <fummy> ill give it a try
[11:55] <fummy> to easy :)
[11:55] <fummy> thanks alot
[11:55] <tiz> NPs.
[11:57] <fummy> cya
[13:36] <CardinalFang> Moin.
[14:59] <CardinalFang> Desktop+ MEETING BEGINS.  Say 'me' to claim a slice of the stand-up meeting, then take your turn by saying DONE/TODO/BLOCKED.
[15:00] <teknico> me
[15:00] <CardinalFang> me
[15:00] <jblount> me
[15:01] <Chipaca_> me
[15:03] <rodrigo_> me
[15:03] <CardinalFang> vds, urbanape?
[15:04] <vds> me
[15:04] <Chipaca_> teknico?
[15:04] <CardinalFang> Maybe u will catch up.  teknico, start 'er up.
[15:04] <teknico> shall I go?
[15:04] <teknico> DONE: planned the new work on funambol phone sync with Chipaca and vds; defined personal and national holidays for the next two months in canonicaladmin.com; started investigating SMS integration for phone sync with vds (story-0015, #399646)
[15:04] <teknico> TODO: continue SMS integration for phone sync (story-0015, #399646)
[15:04] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:04] <teknico> next: CardinalFang
[15:04] <Chipaca_> ah, teknico was first :)
[15:05] <CardinalFang> DONE: desktopcouch execution context added as parameters (three days of work), so complex testing will be possible soon.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> TODO: Figure out Bug#481806, processing files exist.  Refactor replication and add testing.
[15:05] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: None
[15:05] <CardinalFang> jblount, catch!
[15:05] <jblount> DONE: FACE duty!
[15:05] <jblount> TODO: Review day, sort missing images in 9.04 install instructions, sort through recentish bugs to figure out what branches I can get done the week before UDS is over, figure out what I want to do for the next 6 months
[15:05] <jblount> BLOCKED: Nope
[15:05] <jblount> Chipaca_: you!
[15:05] <Chipaca_> DONE: started people working on neglected aspects of u1. finally getting enough estimates to do some planning (still missing some from dobey, urbanape).  Started looking at unterminated strings problem in notes API
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. API documentation for couchdb-glib. Make sandy's snowy test suite work with our server (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/snowy/tree/api/tests.py). Discuss with jdo and aquarius about oauth token per app, not per machine? Push evo-couchdb
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:05] <rodrigo_> next: vds
[15:06] <vds> DONE: Exploring full sms integration with teknico #399646
[15:06] <vds> TODO: code review
[15:06] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:06] <vds>
[15:06] <vds> I guess urbanape can report when is back...
[15:06] <CardinalFang> Thanks, all.
[15:08] <jblount> CardinalFang: Thanks
[15:10] <Chipaca_> CardinalFang: yes, thanks
[15:15] <urbanape> me: DONE: Sprinting, made some good progress on the U1 web UI and got us on latest Lazr-JS and YUI 3.0.0 final, TODO: More sprinting, get our buildout composing lazr-js rather than having it inline in the source, BLOCK: None
[15:16] <urbanape> soz, folks
[15:18] <jblount> urbanape: No worries, statik says sprinting gets you out of stand ups :)
[15:18] <urbanape> don't mind poking back in. that's the magic of this here innertubes
[16:04] <krisives> Hi all, I just started syncing my notes with Tomboy, and I wanted to know: is there any way to share notes with others?
[16:05] <krisives> Mainly I have a notebook I would like to make "public"
[16:06] <jblount> krisives: Not yet, but we've been thinking about it. Would you mind describing how you would like to use a feature like this?
[16:06] <krisives> Sure. I originally just went to link someone to my notebook like this:
[16:06] <krisives> https://one.ubuntu.com/notes/edit/62f624ef-1bf9-4f8c-bd1f-8b82e59564f7
[16:06] <krisives> But of course they couldn't view it
[16:07] <jblount> Interesting. Thanks for the details!
[16:07] <krisives> I like what is coming out of UbuntuOne so far, but I would love to get involved with the front-end part of it. I've been making rich applications using YUI for a while now, and I think it could be pretty neat
[16:07] <krisives> Is there an API ?
[16:08] <jblount> krisives: There is an API for the storage protocol, I don't think we've got anything public that you can use (like json or whatevs) yet.
[16:09] <krisives> I have a Rhythmbox plugin I have been working on for a while that lets users create a transparent layer of re-tagging their files, so they don't have to actually modify their ID3 tags or anything, and I would love to use UbuntuOne for that
[16:09] <jblount> krisives: That's really interesting. Are you thinking of storing in the users desktopcouch so they could have it available on other machines / on the web?
[16:10] <krisives> Well, the trick with this plugin / source that I made is that it's actually Open Source and Free
[16:10] <krisives> The audio indexing algorithm isn't on some third party private server
[16:10] <krisives> It runs on your desktop
[16:11] <jblount> krisives: Sure, what I meant to say was "How would using would you be using Ubuntu One"
[16:11] <krisives> What I'm mainly looking to store is tagging and meta information about media files
[16:12] <krisives> I'm not interested in storing any binary data, like media files/content
[16:12] <joshuahoover> krisives: you'll likely be interested in desktop couch
[16:13] <joshuahoover> krisives: examples of how we're using it can be found in tomboy notes, evolution contacts, and firefox bookmarks
[16:15] <krisives> Is that by using ~/UbuntuOne?
[16:15] <krisives> Here is an example of how my plugin works btw
[16:16] <krisives> If you had the plugin enabled and went to change some tagging information it would store the new tagging information in the cloud/database instead of modifying the ID3 tags at all
[16:17] <krisives> The goal here is so that you can acquire music from any sources and keep them rather unorganized, but still have a tagged collection.
[16:17] <verterok> krisives: no, ~/Ubuntu One is used by file sharing only, desktopcouch uses couchdb to store structured documents
[16:17] <krisives> I think I've heard of couchdb, isn't that Berkley ?
[16:18] <verterok> krisives: so, as joshuahoover pointed out, desktopcouch fits for your usecase
[16:18] <krisives> Sorry, I get it
[16:18] <verterok> krisives: no, http://couchdb.apache.org/
[16:18] <krisives> verterok: ty
[16:18] <krisives> Are there Python bindings for desktop couch ?
[16:19] <verterok> krisives: yeas, https://edge.launchpad.net/desktopcouch
[16:19] <krisives> Thanks
[16:19] <verterok> https://launchpad.net/desktopcouch
[16:20] <verterok> y'r welcome :)
[16:20] <krisives> Are there docs ?
[16:20] <verterok> krisives: what kind of docs?
[16:20] <krisives> Python docs for it's "API"
[16:21] <verterok> krisives: good question, I don't know...
[16:21] <verterok> joshuahoover: ^ ?
[16:21] <krisives> I'll branch it and check it out
[16:22] <krisives> pydoc desktopcouch gives me some stuff
[16:23] <joshuahoover> krisives: we're working on it...we spent most of our time prepping things for release and had to neglect the developer support side of things...now we're going to focus on building out things like the docs, how-to's, good examples, etc....i'm putting together a wiki page today with what we have so far...it'll be at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Developers
[16:23] <krisives> I have been documenting Compiz for the last few weeks, if you guys want help with docs I'd love to help out :)
[16:23] <krisives> I'd rather look at Python code than C++ (Compiz switched to C++ from C thankfully recently)
[16:26] <jblount> krisives: That sounds great, it's something we could really use help with right now.
[16:27] <krisives> Do you guys use LP primarily?
[16:27] <krisives> Compiz uses git :(
[16:27] <krisives> Everytime I complain I get sent to: http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/
[16:27] <jblount> krisives: Yeah, LP and bzr and awesome.
[16:28] <krisives> So if I branch the desktopcouch code as I decipher it and doc it we can handle a merge ok later ?
[16:28] <jblount> Yeah, we use LP's review process, shouldn't be a problem.
[16:29]  * krisives praises LP
[16:29] <krisives> I'm working on a plugin system based on Bazaar right now ;)
[16:29] <krisives> For a web application kinda like how WordPress does it
[16:29] <krisives> Also seems nobody has decent PHP bindings for Bazaar, so I'm making those too :(
[16:34]  * jblount is pretty sure most of the LP hackers avoid PHP at most costs
[16:42] <verterok> krisives: the only thing I know about PHP <-> bzr is xmloutput
[16:42] <krisives> I've just been making bindings that talk to `bzr` using stuff like `bzr log`, etc.
[16:49] <feutete_> hello--my u1 client is configured to connect automatically on start, but it doesn't seem to do so--the menubar icon shows a red X unless I click it and choose Connect
[16:49] <feutete_> if I update a file in the Ubuntu One directory, I get a notification saying u1 is updating my files, but it doesn't actually make it onto the server, as seen thru the web UI
[16:50] <feutete_> what do I have to do to get it to actually connect at startup?
[16:50] <joshuahoover> rmcbride: around? ^^
[16:55] <joshuahoover> feutete_: so, if you choose connect, it connects?
[16:56] <joshuahoover> krisives: that's cool that you're doing php bindings for bzr...should be useful to quite a few people
[16:56] <feutete_> joshuahoover: yup
[16:57] <feutete_> joshuahoover: I just connected it, and am watching to see if it pushes the new files to the server
[16:57] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok, can you post what is in your ~/.config/ubuntuone/ubuntuone-client.conf file?
[16:57] <joshuahoover> feutete_: also, if you have a ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf file, please post that as well
[16:58] <joshuahoover> feutete_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:58] <feutete_> joshuahoover: I'll get those shortly. FYI, it did push the new files to the server
[16:59] <joshuahoover> feutete_: that's good :) i'd like to get to the bottom of why some people are having problems with ubuntu one client not connecting automatically
[16:59] <feutete_> joshuahoover: here is the ubuntuone-client.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/317962/
[17:00] <feutete_> joshuahoover: there is no syncdaemon.conf
[17:00] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok, hmmm....very strange...the config file is correct...i thought maybe it wouldn't be for some reason
[17:01] <joshuahoover> feutete_: have you restarted the client since setting it to connect automatically?
[17:01] <feutete_> joshuahoover: yeah, and I also see "Connect on start: Automatically" in the U1 client preferences
[17:02] <feutete_> joshuahoover: yes the prefs have been set to connect automatically for several days now, and i have the same problem every time I restart my machine
[17:02] <feutete_> it never seems to connect automatically
[17:02] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok, hmmm...
[17:02] <joshuahoover> feutete_: i've never been able to reproduce this problem but i know several users have reported it
[17:03] <joshuahoover> feutete_: i'm curious what would happen if you set it to remember last...also, if you quit the client now and start it back up, will it connect automatically?
[17:04] <feutete_> joshuahoover: I wondered about remember last, too. I'll give that a try. Let me check about quitting and restarting the client
[17:04] <joshuahoover> feutete_: thanks!
[17:10] <feutete_> joshuahoover: it looks like if I quit and restart the client, it automatically connects and pushes any updates. So, it appears that the problem is generally on boot
[17:15] <rmcbride> joshuahoover: Hi!
[17:15] <joshuahoover> rmcbride: hi! :)
[17:15] <rmcbride> joshuahoover: I see you were able to help feutete_. Thanks
[17:15] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok, that's good to know! i suspected that...are you on a wireless network?
[17:15]  * rmcbride is back in teh house for the time being
[17:16] <feutete_> joshuahoover: Currently, I'm on a wired, but I have seen the behavior in both situations
[17:17] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok
[17:17] <joshuahoover> rmcbride...this is the mysterious "set to auto connect but doesn't auto connect on boot" issue
[17:18] <rmcbride> joshuahoover: Seems like some kind of timing issue WRT the connection state when we try to connect the first time. I see it occasionally myself but haven't been able to find a pattern
[17:18] <rmcbride> I know there's a bug on it...
[17:19] <joshuahoover> rmcbride: yep, there is a bug...several :)
[17:19] <joshuahoover> rmcbride: i've never seen it personally, on my box or any test environment...wired, wireless, never
[17:21] <feutete_> joshuahoover: maybe I should ship you my laptop....it happens on every boot :)
[17:21] <joshuahoover> feutete_: :)
[17:22] <feutete_> joshuahoover: FWIW, this install of 9.10 was an upgrade--not a fresh install of 9.10. Not sure if that would factor in at all, but...
[17:22] <joshuahoover> feutete_: shouldn't matter
[17:23] <joshuahoover> feutete_: is there anything in your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/oauth-login.log files beyond "starting ubuntuone-client"?
[17:24] <feutete_> joshuahoover: yes, lots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/317975/
[17:24] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok, that's actually a good thing
[17:25] <joshuahoover> feutete_: in terms of possibly telling us what might be going on
[17:25] <joshuahoover> rmcbride: do you know if the client wouldn't connect because it couldn't reach the syncdaemon?
[17:26] <rmcbride> joshuahoover: dbus could be in a wierd state from that message
[17:27] <rmcbride> feutete_: forgive me if I missed this earlier, do you have anything in the syncdaemons-exception.log (same path as teh other one)?
[17:27] <rmcbride> feutete_: in particular I'm looking for something like "UnicodeDecodeError".
[17:29] <feutete_> joshuahoover: no, syncdaemon-exceptions.log is empty, as are the older versions of it (i.e. syncdaemon-exceptions.log.2009-11*
[17:29] <joshuahoover> feutete_: ok, thanks
[17:29] <rmcbride> hmm
[17:29] <joshuahoover> feutete_: i don't have an answer for you right now unfortunately...we've got to look into this further
[17:30] <feutete_> joshuahoover: no worries. it's not too difficult to manually connect the client at boot
[17:30] <joshuahoover> feutete_: yeah, just a pain
[17:30] <feutete_> joshuahoover: it's all good. Thanks for the help
[17:53] <rtagger> joshuahoover, my client behaves exactly as described by feutete_
[17:55] <rtagger> i.e. upon initial loading gnome it is anways in non-connected state despite "Connect on start" set to Automatically
[17:55] <rtagger> let's nail it down...
[17:55]  * rtagger leaves to return with logs...
[18:10] <rtagger> oauth - Starting Ubuntu One client version 1.0.2. DBus Error: Did not receive a reply. Not interesting.
[18:11] <rtagger> rmcbride, in order to start productin debug log, what key should be defined in syncdaemon.conf
[18:11] <rtagger> rmcbride, sorry, ubuntuone-client.conf
[18:11] <rmcbride> rtagger: if we get a traceback, it will wind up in the ~/.cache/ubuntuone/logs/syncdaemon-exceptions log
[18:12] <rmcbride> rtagger: otherwise severe behavior will be in the syncdaemon.log as well. We don't need to enable debug unless we know there's something at a lower level that we need
[18:12] <rtagger> rmcbride, nope, this time no exceptions, DBus failed to answer, I wonder why.
[18:12] <rtagger> rmcbride, pleeease, what's the key for ubuntuone-client.conf :) ?
[18:13] <rmcbride> rtagger: I'll have to look. One moment
[18:16] <rmcbride> rtagger: it may well be in syncdaemon.conf, as far as logging goes. Still looking through my notes
[18:16] <rtagger> rmcbride, ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf
[18:17] <rtagger> joshuahoover	[__main__]	14:24 joshuahoover	log_level = DEBUG
[18:17] <rtagger> rmcbride, oops, so it is log_level=DEBUG, not debug=1 :)
[18:18] <rmcbride> rtagger: ah yes
[18:18] <rmcbride> rtagger: that would be the one
[18:19] <rtagger> okay, brb :) with more logs about client not starting...
[18:26] <rtagger> okay, any additional debug level for oauth.log ?
[18:27] <rtagger> rmcbride, my spamming the chanel is re: <rmcbride> joshuahoover: dbus could be in a wierd state from that message
[18:28] <rmcbride> rtagger: we've got a couple of things that are being worked on WRT establishing the connection
[18:29] <rmcbride> rtagger: my guess is that netmanager is not in a state to respond to the dbus message when we first try
[18:29] <rmcbride> rtagger: in some cases
[18:29] <rtagger> rmcbride, I have the same issue, the client won't connect on startup and requires manual re-connection. My oauth-login.log contains the same messages from dbus library complaining about dbus...
[18:29] <rtagger> rmcbride, my network connections are handled by NM and set as system default
[18:30] <rmcbride> rtagger: yes, and that's what leads me to believe there's a timing issue there. I get that too, just not 100% of the time
[18:30] <rmcbride> rtagger: I'm trying to locate teh master bug report for that kind of connection problem
[18:30] <rtagger> rmcbride, is it possible to patch oauth-login-producing code, so that we at least know what call producess such error
[18:30] <rtagger> rtagger, I can reproduce it 100%
[18:31] <rtagger> rmcbride, i mean I can reproduce it 100%
[18:31] <rmcbride> rtagger: I suppose such a thing is possible. The developer(s) working on that issue might know more. I'm looking up the report now
[18:32] <rtagger> rmcbride, any developer here in awake state on Friday, 13th?
[18:33] <rmcbride> rtagger: I'm _A_ dev, but that code isn't something I typically work on. Once I confirm which bug report is the master for this issue I'll see if there's anyone around who is working on the issue.
[18:34] <rtagger> rmcbride, I guess I found the knob to increase the logging level for oauth-login.log...
[18:37] <rmcbride> rtagger: to confirm, you're seeing an Introspect error and/or "DBus Error: did not recieve a reply", correct?
[18:38] <rtagger> rmcbride, upon initial start, the following message is repeated 3 times in oauth-login.log: DBus Error: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:38] <rmcbride> rtagger: OK.
[18:40] <rmcbride> I know I've seen this, but the bug search is being uncooperative
[18:40] <rmcbride> still digging
[18:41] <rmcbride> rtagger: you might want to go ahead and file a new bug on this with your details that you've given here and the log. I'll get it escalated and assigned as needed.
[18:41] <rmcbride> rtagger: if I can't find the old master bug this will be the new one.
[18:41] <rmcbride> rtagger: it seems that Fri 13 has affected my bug search :)
[18:42] <rtagger> rmcbride, since I have no interesting info about the bug except "me too" message, I will try making oauthdesktop cooperate...
[18:42] <rmcbride> rtagger: OK. I'm still looking. wanted to give you teh option if you so chose.
[18:42] <rmcbride> I'm starting to wonder if this was fixed and is a regression
[18:50] <rmcbride> rtagger: can you look at your syncdaemon.conf and past the [bandwidth_thottling] section for me? I found a bug that references the d-bus error with some interesting entries there
[18:51] <rtagger> rmcbride, there is one coming from the distro, in /etc/xdf/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf, are you interested in it? It was not changed by me, the per-user version was just created by me to contain the debug-enabling statement
[18:52] <rmcbride> That would have default values and would be of interest. If there's no user-created section that would be the default
[18:52] <rtagger> rmcbride, http://paste.ubuntu.com/318032/
[18:52] <rtagger> rmcbride, basically, -1
[18:53] <rmcbride> right, but it shows throttling as disabled, which should be correct with that value
[18:53] <rmcbride> rtagger: well I THOUGHT I had found a possible cause.
[18:53] <rmcbride> still digging
[19:00] <rmcbride> rtagger: I have a bug you can "me too" on if you wish. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/461614
[19:00] <rmcbride> rtagger: if you can attach your logs to that it would be most helpful
[19:01] <rmcbride> rtagger: as the initial reporter on that didn't have many logs to attach, according to apport
[19:01] <rtagger> rmcbride, still, I can't make oauth code produce more info, even when manually changed LOG_LEVEL to logger.DEBUG in oauthdesktop/logger.py :(
[19:02] <rmcbride> rtagger: I don't know that there is more info to get. dbus isn't always especially helpful in that regard
[19:02] <rtagger> rmcbride, yep, but still, is this network manager or gnome keyring...
[19:03] <rmcbride> rtagger: we do have a pending branch of the test client that may make that easier to determine
[19:03] <rmcbride> rtagger: as it will change the connection dependency to be less netmanager specific
[19:03] <rmcbride> rtagger: based on the behavior I'd say that it's netmanager we're having issues with. That's what it looks like when it happens to me anyhow
[19:04] <rmcbride> the keyring should already have the token if you've authed the machine in the past
[19:04] <rtagger> rmcbride, subscribed to the bugreport; but in my case network manager has everything it needs already as the connection is established on a system-wide basis (i mean before nm-applet kicks in)
[19:04] <rmcbride> so it's likely you have the token and the "hey is this OK" sequence is falling over for lack of an established connection
[19:04] <rmcbride> hmm
[19:04] <rmcbride> well that's useful information too
[19:05] <rmcbride> You might also mention about the lack of information from the oauthdesktop logger
[19:05] <rmcbride> I could be wrong and we may be able to bludgeon more info from dbus
[19:09] <rtagger> rmcbride, great, i changed the sources in oauthdesktop to write to a different log file and this is ignored. Do you know where the real sources for oauthdesktop are living... ?
[19:10] <verterok> rtagger: in lp:ubuntuone-client
[19:11] <rmcbride> verterok: I think he's looking for the location on the installed system
[19:11] <rtagger> verterok, erm, yes, but locally... /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntuone seem to contain the sources but their modification does not change the behavior... Even after killing the processes...
[19:11] <rmcbride> hmm. taht should be the right location
[19:12] <verterok> rtagger: probably because you have an old .pyc, and as the app is executed by a regular user, can't write a new pyc
[19:12] <verterok> rmcbride: ^
[19:12] <rtagger> verterok, removed pyc files for all installed versions of logger.py...
[19:12] <rtagger> verterok, okay, killing all ubuntuone pycs...
[19:14] <rtagger> is ubuntuone-applet performing some usefull stuff besides displaying the cloud and producing DBus signals?
[19:14] <rtagger> i mean is it necessary to kill it as well?
[19:15] <rmcbride> it would be a good idea
[19:15] <rmcbride> it will try to start syncdaemon, left to its own devices
[19:16] <rmcbride> it does handle connections though, so you'll want to start it as well (it can be started after sychdaemon and will use the existing instance to connect)
[19:16] <rtagger> wow
[19:16] <rtagger> restarted the applet, got debug from oauth
[19:17] <rmcbride> anything useful?
[19:17] <rtagger> rmcbride, not yet, going to reproduce with clean logs, initial state so I will need to reboot and will return here with more info
[19:18] <rmcbride> OK sounds good. I'll be around
[19:23] <rtagger> rmcbride, http://paste.ubuntu.com/318051/
[19:24] <rtagger> rmcbride, it is not gnome keyring...
[19:29] <rmcbride> hmm
[19:29] <rmcbride> well at least that eliminates that possiblity
[19:29] <rmcbride> but it's not very forthcoming with what the non-responsive app actually is...
[19:30] <rtagger> rmcbride, the root_formatter is not applied to the logger, need to hack it a little bit so that we see the times
[19:30] <rmcbride> rtagger: good point
[19:33] <rtagger> rmcbride, DBus signal is firef, but it should not timeout, right?
[19:33] <rtagger> rmcbride, *fired
[19:33] <rmcbride> rtagger: I don't think that it should, but I'm not a complete dbus guru (yet)
[19:34] <rmcbride> verterok: ^
[19:35] <verterok> rmcbride, rtagger: probably calling a method timed out, not the signal
[19:35] <verterok> dbus signals are fire and forget
[19:35] <rtagger> verterok, so it means that either the applet is calling some external method or... the applet is calling some external method :/
[19:36] <verterok> heh, yes
[19:37] <rtagger> rmcbride, I wonder about the following - the initial startup is pretty heavy, lots of applets, Empathy autologin, trackerd is starting, Tomboy is loading. Could that be some kind of heavy system load sign?..
[19:38] <rtagger> verterok, hmm, If i start dbus-monitor from the autostarted applications... Will it show dbus timeouts and sender/target that caused this?
[19:38] <rtagger> verterok, I mean, session bus is initialized at that time already...
[19:39] <rmcbride> rtagger: startup load could well influence that I suppose.
[19:39] <verterok> rtagger: yes, but you need terminal + dbus-monitor, and I don't know if it's going to show the timeout
[19:39] <verterok> rtagger: quite probably the dbus call is to start/connect syncdaemon
[19:40] <rtagger> verterok, is aplet starting syncdaemon immediately ?
[19:40] <verterok> rtagger: if you have autoconnect, I think it's a yes
[19:40] <rtagger> okay, going to reproduce with root_logger being nicely formatted...
[19:46] <rtagger> rmcbride, not much more, http://paste.ubuntu.com/318080/
[19:46] <rtagger> rmcbride, is it possible for logger to produce stack traces for every logged message?
[19:47] <rmcbride> rtagger: I don't know first hand but I'll see if I can find out
[19:47] <rmcbride> verterok: do you know the answer (asking elsewhere as well) ^
[19:48] <rtagger> rmcbride, 'cause this is definitely Applet time-outing after some mysterious call...
[19:50] <rmcbride> rtagger: that's my interpretation as well. certainly would be tough to figure out where to put a pdb tracepoint without such a log
[19:50] <rmcbride> well tough-ish
[19:50] <rtagger> rmcbride, now I see only lineno, funcName, module of the caller. They may be useful, though..
[19:50] <verterok> rmcbride, rtagger: I'm not aware of such capability
[19:51] <rmcbride> rtagger: that information would certainly help.
[19:52] <thisfred> CardinalFang: didn't you do something with full tracebacks and logging in dekstopcouch?
[19:52] <thisfred> CardinalFang: btw: the context branch looked good, at least yesterday evening
[19:53] <CardinalFang> thanks.
[19:53] <CardinalFang> thisfred, do something?  /me reads up the log.
[19:54] <thisfred> CardinalFang: rtagger is trying to log full tracebacks if I read it correctly
[19:54] <rtagger> thisfred, yes, so far I added all the relevant logger entities, so I hope this will be the last reboot, brb
[19:54] <thisfred> I thought we (for very you values of we) did something clever to do that
[19:55] <CardinalFang> thisfred, rtagger, the logging module has a 'exception(msg,...)' method/function that logs the current caught stack after a message
[19:55] <CardinalFang> ha
[19:59] <rtagger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/318103/
[20:00] <rmcbride> hmm.
[20:01] <CardinalFang> thisfred, rtagger, the logging module has a 'exception(msg,...)' method/function that logs the current caught stack after a message
[20:06] <rtagger> let me see what I just posted...
[20:08] <rtagger> sd_dbus_error, awesome
[20:08] <rmcbride> Yea :0
[20:09] <rmcbride> :/ even
[20:09] <rtagger> Handle DBus errors for crucial syncdaemon calls
[20:12] <rmcbride> It's logging exactly what dbus tells it, apparently
[20:13] <rtagger> rmcbride, don't see another solution except decorate all dbus calls that use sd_dbus_error so that they will call some logging routine first and then call sd_dbus_error
[20:13] <rtagger> rmcbride, if there is a finite amount of such calls :)
[20:14] <rtagger> rmcbride, erm... wait, CardinalFang exception(msg)...
[20:16] <dobey> hola
[20:16] <rmcbride> HI dobey!
[20:16] <dobey> who what when where why how?
[20:16] <dobey> hi
[20:16]  * rtagger reboots...
[20:17] <rmcbride> dobey: rtagger is working on what I described
[20:17] <rmcbride> dobey: his rebooting indicates to me he's changed the logger on his end and is retrying
[20:17] <rmcbride> dobey: he should be back on in a minute or two
[20:17] <dobey> right
[20:18] <dobey> i think most all those issues are due to syncdaemon starting slow
[20:18] <rmcbride> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/318103/ is the most recent. And yea startup time does seem to have something to do with it
[20:19] <rmcbride> I blame dbus for having next-to-useless error messages, but that's just my gut reaction
[20:19] <rmcbride> "It could be this, this, this or this, but maybe not" Gee thanks dbus.
[20:19] <dobey> the messages are useless, but 'didn't reply fast enough' really is probably the best it can do for 'the app is starting very slowly'
[20:20] <rmcbride> I'll hold off on followup until our user returnbs
[20:20] <rmcbride> returns even
[20:21] <krisives> Heya, is it possible for me to host my tomboy sync server?
[20:21] <dobey> krisives: tomboy includes its own sync server. we just implement the same protocol
[20:22] <krisives> dobey: I guess I meant, is it possible to host my own ubuntuone server?
[20:22] <krisives> Although for Tomboy I can implement their protocol
[20:22] <rtagger> rmcbride, Stacktrace: "None"
[20:22] <rmcbride> rtagger: argh.
[20:23] <rmcbride> rtagger: however dobey has clarified that it's likely syncdaemon that is slow to start in that case
[20:23] <CardinalFang> krisives, No, we don't give that part away.  It's still in development, too.  You can host tomboy sync, of course.
[20:23] <krisives> Is UbuntuOne ever gonna be free?
[20:23] <krisives> (FOSS)
[20:24] <dobey> krisives: you can write your own server with the protocol library, which is AGPL
[20:24] <CardinalFang> Everything that runs on your machines, it is already.  What runs on our machines, it isn't and we are not planning it.
[20:24] <CardinalFang> krisives, ^
[20:25] <rtagger> rmcbride, yep, sd_dbus_error handles such kind of errors only :)
[20:26] <dobey> rtagger: all dbus errors are handled the same, unless they're for special calls :
[20:26] <dobey> :)
[20:26] <rmcbride> rtagger: I blame a headcold on me not parsing the sd part of that earlier
[20:26] <rmcbride> :)
[20:26] <dobey> blah
[20:34] <dobey> man this wifi is laggy
[20:36] <CardinalFang> rtagger, we can't know when you're listening if you don't quit IRC before you reboot.  We talk away, and eventually the TCP connection times out and you go away.
[20:37] <rtagger> CardinalFang, sorry for that, I'm still trying to find out how to look at the history...
[20:38] <rtagger> CardinalFang, so, it is syncdaemon
[20:39] <rtagger> it times out when get_rootdir is called, then several times during current_status() requests.
[20:41] <rtagger> rmcbride, so, it is not NetworkManager, not gnome keyring... It is simply syncdaemon not ready enough to service dbus calls...
[20:41] <dobey> it doesn't time out
[20:41] <dobey> it's just that initial startup is very slow sometimes it seems
[20:42] <rtagger> dobey, I mean not syncdaemon, but the applet calls to it get timed-out on initial startup when the system has a lot of work to do
[20:42] <dobey> well it shouldn't matter how much work sd needs to do. the calls should return immediately
[20:43] <dobey> maybe we need to fix some thread/async bits in sd to be a bit better
[20:53] <rtagger> dobey, is sd performing some intensive disk operations on startup, i.e. something that can let dbus calls not to be answered in time?
[20:54] <dobey> well i'm guessing that it's doing something that blocks the main thread from allowing the dbus calls to function
[20:54] <CardinalFang> Is it threaded or an event loop?
[20:55] <dobey> it's the glib main loop
[20:56] <dobey> which in syncdaemon is tied to the twisted reactor
[21:02] <CardinalFang> Yeah.  We could use  reactor.callInThread()  to make whatever is so expensive/blocking run in a thread that doesn't block execution.
[21:02] <CardinalFang> dobey, ^
[21:03] <dobey> yeah, but i don't know what it is. i think it's local rescan stuff
[21:03] <dobey> i think verterok was going to look at it
[21:04] <verterok> CardinalFang: if it's local rescan, we can't defer it to a thread
[21:04] <dobey> what we should do is throw the dbus stuff in another thread
[21:06] <CardinalFang> the main loop still has to dispatch it.  if verterok is correct, then the main loop is busy, a few frames down from the execution of the rescanner, waiting for it to return.
[21:08] <verterok> dobey, CardinalFang: also we can't defer to a thread the dbus stuff, as it might query data structures that aren't thread safe
[21:08] <CardinalFang> Damnit.
[21:08] <dobey> we need to make stuff thread safe
[21:08] <dobey> and not block other things
[21:09] <verterok> we can bump the timeout of the applet dbus call
[21:10] <dobey> verterok: i've seen logs where it's taken 7 minutes for syncdaemon to come up and recognize the call
[21:10] <dobey> so i don't think we want to increase the timeout to be that long
[21:10] <verterok> dobey: so, we need to fix local_rescan if it's taking 7 min to finish
[21:11] <dobey> yes
[21:12] <dobey> and i think we need to evaluate what isn't thread safe, and why it isn't, and see if we can't fix it and throw stuff in a thread
[21:12] <CardinalFang> Perhaps we can just make the rescanner more polite.  I bet some "yield" magickery every N operations would solve it.
[21:14] <CardinalFang> Pushing the dispatch into a generator may take some work.
[21:15] <dobey> well, i don't like code that's not thread safe, or async code that's not threaded, not threading async code is sort of like putting out a fire by burning down another building
[21:15] <CardinalFang> Then again, it's twisted, so there's almost certainly somthing smarter we can do with Deferreds.
[21:15] <verterok> CardinalFang: I "think" that the rescanner release the reactor on each directory tree
[21:15] <dobey> it is definitely twisted :)
[21:15] <verterok> dobey: ok, you don't like twisted...we know that :)
[21:16] <dobey> twisted has some nice stuff
[21:16] <dobey> but it has some nasty stuff too :)
[21:17] <dobey> Deferreds are nice, but they're better with Threads
[21:25] <facundobatista> dobey, the start up time is not local rescan
[21:25] <facundobatista> dobey, those seconds/minutes without returning control
[21:25] <facundobatista> dobey, it's the metadata loading... we have a bug for that
[21:25] <facundobatista> verterok, ^
[21:26] <verterok> facundobatista: oh, good point, I missed that
[21:26] <dobey> oh right, it's metadata
[21:26] <dobey> sorry
[21:26] <facundobatista> LR holds the processor per directory only
[21:26] <dobey> can we thread metadata?
[21:26] <facundobatista> (which could be an issue if you have a dir with 10k files, for example)
[21:26] <rmcbride> like my extra evil test tree
[21:27] <facundobatista> dobey, maybe... but it doesn't have any optimization
[21:27] <facundobatista> dobey, but if after the optimization still takes noticeably long, deferred to another thread will be
[21:27] <dobey> i think we should do both anyway
[21:28] <dobey> ok, i gotta go now
[21:29] <dobey> later all. see some of you at UDS perhaps!
[21:29] <facundobatista> dobey, have a good weekend
[21:29] <dobey> facundobatista: y tu :)
[21:36] <rtagger> time to sleep, so good bye everybody :)
[21:37] <jblount> rtagger: have a good night :)
[21:38] <rtagger> just for the record - empathy logging to couchdb will require mission-control-5 version 5.3.2, the one that is supplied in Karmic does not work properly for external loggers. More info on that next week :)


[00:00] <berwin> leftyfb: Ok i will try
[00:01] <eflister1> is there an irc channel specialized to grub/boot-repair etc?
[00:02] <eflister1> would #ubuntu-boot be appropriate for me to try?
[00:04] <eflister1> ha ha there are 2 other people there, we'll see...
[00:11] <berwin> leftyfb: Solved, thanks
[00:27] <Nobrem> hi
[00:28] <Nobrem> Does anyone of you guys have experience with "ffmpeg"'s filter_complex and timestamps?
[00:28] <Nobrem> I would like to re-format a timestamp that is dynamically being added
[00:28] <Nobrem> something like:  "1 hour and 22 minutes" would be nice
[00:28] <Nobrem> currently,  I just get a really long line of seconds
[00:29] <Nobrem> https://dpaste.org/66UK
[00:30] <Blade-Runner> oops, hit the wrong keys
[00:31] <eflister1> Jeremy31, oerheks, ramblebamble, leftyfb, EriC^, thanks for all your help, i really appreciate it.  unless anyone has any more ideas, i'm gonna take a break.  if you think of anything or could direct me to someone you recommend talking to, could you let me know?  i've got this issue posted at
[00:31] <eflister1> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2470507&p=14073470#post14073470 and https://askubuntu.com/questions/1384496/boot-hangs-at-grub-prompt-instead-of-grub-menu
[00:36] <ELQEYNN> I understand that SuSE Alienware has trouble with WiFi.
[01:01] <Aarch64debian> !kernel
[02:13] <TaZeR> i heard ubuntu is moving to the windows kernel, is this true?
[02:17] <JackFrost> ...Windows kernel?
[02:17] <JackFrost> Ubuntu uses Linux, because it's a linux distro.  WSL offers Ubuntu though.
[02:25] <rwinner> Yes I heard that too. Supposedly they're also bringing back the BSOD, to be renamed the USOG, the Ubuntu Screen of Gloom.
[02:31] <JackFrost> Is this April or something?  Did someone change the calendar on me?
[02:47] <dman777> how can I do a fsck on ubuntu upon boot up? using 20.04 server ed. I tried touch /forcefsck but it does not work
[02:53] <Bashing-om> dman777: ' fsck.mode=force ' as a kernel parameter.
[02:54] <dman777> Bashing-om: thanks
[02:55] <Bashing-om> dman777: :D
[02:55] <Nobrem> could anyone please help me?
[02:55] <Nobrem> I have a command that works,  but it shouldn't work
[02:55] <Nobrem> the fact that it works goes back more to trial an error,  rather than anything else
[02:55] <Nobrem> https://dpaste.org/5vJP
[02:56] <Nobrem> the video is sped up 15x  (time lapse) so that's why the CONST value is 240 rather than 3600
[02:56] <Nobrem> 3600 / 15 = 240
[02:56] <Nobrem> so, the "hour" timestamp should change once every 4 minutes
[02:56] <Nobrem> however, the _seconds_ timestamp changes.
[02:56] <Nobrem> why?!
[02:58] <leftyfb> Nobrem: I think your question should be directed at the ffmpeg project
[02:59] <Nobrem> leftyfb, in #ffmpeg there has only been 1 person actively chatting,  and they seam to have left
[02:59] <Nobrem> leftyfb, I have been there for the better part of today
[02:59] <leftyfb> Nobrem: it's New Years day. You're probably not going to get a whole lot of activity on IRC today
[02:59] <leftyfb> Nobrem: and a weekend
[03:00] <Aarch64debian> my systemd says it boots in 23s, is it slow
[03:00] <Aarch64debian> i use a 400m/s ssd
[03:01] <leftyfb> Aarch64debian: (cat /etc/os-release  ; uname -a ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:09] <Bashing-om> Aarch64debian: Aarch64debian: sysop@2004x-c:~$ systemd-analyze >> Startup finished in 2.841s (kernel) + 11.398s (userspace) = 14.240s ; graphical.target reached after 11.375s in userspace .
[03:10] <Aarch64debian> what is your disk io speed
[03:11] <Bashing-om> Aarch64debian: No idea - never had a reason to find out .
[03:12] <Aarch64debian> my kernel is 7s usespace 15s
[03:12] <dman777> I set my ethernet device with a manual ip in /etc/netplan. ifconfig shows it correctly at net apply. However, I do not have connection to the internet. I noticed the netmask shows <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>. where would I fix that?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> !netplan | dman777
[03:13] <leftyfb> dman777: why would you want <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:13] <dman777> leftyfb: that is what worked on my old system. what is wrong with <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:14] <leftyfb> dman777: that is the netmask for a network with exactly 1 usable ip address
[03:14] <leftyfb> dman777: if you have no intention of communicating with anything else on your network, I guess that's fine
[03:15] <leftyfb> dman777: what version of ubuntu is this that you have netplan and ifconfig?
[03:15] <dman777> leftyfb: 20.04 server edition
[03:16] <leftyfb> dman777: was it upgraded from a previous version?
[03:16] <dman777> leftyfb: no, new install
[03:16] <dman777> leftyfb: switching from gentoo to ubuntu
[03:17] <dman777> leftyfb: I can not ping <IP_ADDRESS> ether
[03:17] <leftyfb> dman777: did you manually install net-tools or ifupdown?
[03:18] <dman777> yes
[03:18] <leftyfb> dman777: which one?
[03:18] <dman777> leftyfb: net-tools
[03:19] <leftyfb> dman777: how many files are in /etc/netplan/ ?
[03:19] <dman777> leftyfb: juse one.... 00-installer-config.yml which I modified with my own info
[03:20] <leftyfb> dman777: ok, can you paste it to a pastebin site?
[03:20] <dman777> leftyfb: I will need to manually type it.... one min please
[03:21] <leftyfb> dman777: why?
[03:21] <leftyfb> oh, no network, right
[03:21] <dman777> I am on my laptop for irc :)
[03:21] <leftyfb> can you ssh to the machine at all?
[03:21] <dman777> no
[03:22] <leftyfb> dman777: a picture also helps
[03:25] <dman777> leftyfb: https://dpaste.org/jOi2 if it is ok, I masked the last 2 octects
[03:25] <dman777> with the x.x
[03:25] <dman777> Only for the paste.... I actually have numbers there in the real file
[03:26] <leftyfb> dman777: can you ping your gateway?
[03:27] <dman777> leftyfb: no I can not
[03:27] <leftyfb> dman777: /sys/class/net/
[03:27] <leftyfb> dman777: ls /sys/class/net/
[03:27] <leftyfb> what's in there?
[03:28] <dman777> leftyfb: ah! just got it working... I had to change 24 to 32 in 192.168.x.x/24
[03:28] <dman777> leftyfb: oh wait
[03:28] <dman777> leftyfb: nevermind...that was gmail being cached
[03:28] <MrCollinsGA> Why would you want to use 255.x.x.255
[03:28] <leftyfb> that is not correct
[03:29] <MrCollinsGA> can you change it to 255.x.x.0 or /24
[03:29] <dman777> +1
[03:29] <leftyfb> dman777: a /32 or <IP_ADDRESS> means 1 ip on the entire network not communicating with anything else. I don't see any case where you'd want that
[03:29] <leftyfb> dman777: ls /sys/class/net/   # what is in there?
[03:29] <dman777> leftyfb: yep.... still no internet connection
[03:30] <leftyfb> wait, gmail?
[03:30] <leftyfb> dman777: I thought you said this was a server
[03:30] <leftyfb> dman777: is there a desktop environment installed on it at all?
[03:30] <dman777> yes... I installed X
[03:30] <leftyfb> dman777: gnome?
[03:30] <leftyfb> dman777: also, why?
[03:30] <MrCollinsGA> dman777, is the ip of the machine static or dhcp in your routers table?
[03:31] <dman777> leftyfb: min gui environment
[03:31] <leftyfb> dman777: please see my above 2 requests
[03:31] <dman777> leftyfb: /sys/class/enp37s0 and also lo
[03:31] <leftyfb> dman777: cat /etc/sys/class/net/enp37s0
[03:31] <leftyfb> dman777: cat /etc/sys/class/net/enp37s0/operstate
[03:32] <dman777> up
[03:32] <dman777> internet was working before I modified it and set a manual ip addresss
[03:32] <leftyfb> dman777: ip a |grep inet
[03:33] <leftyfb> dman777: which ip's do you see there?
[03:35] <dman777> inet <IP_ADDRESS>/8 ::1/128 192.168.x.x/24 brd 192.168.x.255 scope global enp37s0 and then a inet6 address that is really long
[03:35] <leftyfb> yeah, you've still got <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:36] <leftyfb> dman777: reboot
[03:36] <leftyfb> dman777: and make sure /24 and <IP_ADDRESS> are in your netplan
[03:37] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, can you direct me to a tutorial to syncing folders in ubuntu from nfs share. not sure how to ask google that. I cant seem to find any. It may be simpler then I make it.
[03:37] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: rsync
[03:37] <MrCollinsGA> k
[03:38] <MrCollinsGA> thanks. what I discovered is I have to get into using 'melt' and I can do command line stuff. Your link above was awesomely helpful. I have been at this all day! :)
[03:38] <MrCollinsGA> terminal encoding instead of 'stuff' lol
[03:39] <dman777> leftyfb: ok, just rebooted and same data
[03:39] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, so I figure I setup sync to auto copy the files to the machines, still trying to work out the flow :)
[03:39] <leftyfb> dman777: add "dhcp4: false" to your netplan config
[03:40] <leftyfb> dman777: also, be sure that your static ip you set isn't in the range of ip's your DHCP server(router) is giving out
[03:40] <dman777> leftyfb: dhcp4 doesn't exist at all in my netplan config
[03:40] <leftyfb> dman777: right, add it
[03:40] <dman777> leftyfb: it's the same one from my gentoo
[03:44] <dman777> leftyfb: reboot? or is apply enough?
[03:44] <leftyfb> dman777: I would reboot
[03:45] <MrCollinsGA> Do you have a link light on your nic card? maybe you have a sketchy cable and you accidently bumped it? :)
[03:46] <dman777> naw, works in my gentoo sys on same pc
[03:46] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: we already checked that with the operstate
[03:47] <MrCollinsGA> k
[03:48] <dman777> after reboot still no success
[03:49] <leftyfb> dman777: something isn't right. Something simple
[03:49] <leftyfb> dman777: ip a   # do you still see <IP_ADDRESS>?
[03:51] <dman777> leftyfb: yes, I see brd <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:51] <dman777> leftyfb: but ifconfig shows <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:51] <leftyfb> brd?
[03:51] <dman777> for netmsk
[03:52] <leftyfb> oh, rght
[03:52] <leftyfb> dman777: ok, that's your broadcast, that's fine
[03:53] <leftyfb> dman777: is the ip of your machine the same as your gateway besides the last octet?
[03:54] <dman777> yes
[03:54] <leftyfb> can you ping your own ip?
[03:54] <leftyfb> do you have a firewall installed and rules applied?
[03:55] <dman777> yes, I can ping my own ip. I uninstalled ufw and I have iptables disabled
[03:55] <dman777> I also did a iptables -f
[03:55] <dman777> -F
[03:56] <leftyfb> dman777: ip route
[03:56] <leftyfb> dman777: how many listings are there and do you see your gateway as the default?
[04:01] <dman777> sorry, let me reboot...tried something that did not work
[04:04] <dman777> leftyfb: default via 192.168.xx.xx dev enp37s0 proto static; 192.168.xx.0/24 dev enp37s0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.xx.xx
[04:06] <leftyfb> dman777: if your default route matches your gateway, then everything looks fine
[04:06] <leftyfb> something aint right
[04:06] <leftyfb> dman777: make a copy of the netplan file, put it all back to DHCP, reboot into a DHCP ip and compare the ip and gateway and netmask and such
[04:23] <dman777> leftyfb: oh wow.... I assigned the ipaddress from the router to my pc using the mac address. then with this config https://dpaste.org/XM0o I got it working with the static ip address...despite having dhcpd being set to yes
[04:24] <leftyfb> compare your "ip a" and "ip route" outputs to what you had before
[04:25] <leftyfb> and yes, having your machine set to DHCP now for your router to assign it a dedicated lease is correct
[04:25] <dman777> leftyfb: strange...how come I have to have dhcpcd set to true when the router will be assigning the ipaddress?
[04:26] <leftyfb> dman777: because your machine is getting it's IP via DHCP
[04:26] <leftyfb> the router is just giving it the same ip every time
[04:26] <dman777> leftyfb: ah!
[04:27] <leftyfb> dman777: you should still figure out what went wrong with the static ip config
[04:27] <dman777> yep... one sec... rebooting and then I will get that info
[04:30] <dman777> leftyfb: https://dpaste.org/E3pL the routes are different this time with it working
[04:31] <dman777> There are 3 routes instead of 2 as before when it was not working
[04:32] <dman777> leftyfb: the new route 192.168.x.1 <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> was added with the working version. Why is this?
[04:33] <dman777> leftyfb: oh...and the gateway is different also
[04:33] <leftyfb> e
[04:33] <leftyfb> then your gateway with the static config was wrong
[04:34] <dman777> leftyfb: oh!
[04:34] <dman777> leftyfb: ok... thank you so much for your help!!! :)
[04:35] <leftyfb> "[23:06:12] <leftyfb> dman777: if your default route matches your gateway, then everything looks fine"
[04:35] <leftyfb> you should have responded with the fact that the default route was not the ip if your gateway
[04:36] <dman777> leftyfb: ah... ok. my bad
[04:37] <dman777> leftyfb: I should of realized. Been a good 2 years I think since I missed with my network.
[04:37] <leftyfb> ls
[04:37] <leftyfb> ugh
[04:38] <leftyfb> one of these days I'm going to figure out how to stop hexchat from stealing focus
[04:39] <dman777> well, I am out of here
[04:39] <dman777> leftyfb: thank you again and happy new year!
[05:56] <BrokrnRobot> Any ideas on what could disable integrated bluetooth system wide (visible via lsusb) other than a udev rule?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> BrokrnRobot: try stacer, see if the systemd units are loaded
[07:54] <ducasse> BrokrnRobot: rfkill, i guess
[08:06] <Assid> is there an issue witrh the package manager  / software app ?
[08:06] <Assid> i keep having this issue.. https://pasteboard.co/T0RitKJGFqMl.png
[08:07] <Assid> it happenes with various apps i try and install..
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> try another paste url assid, yours is marked as a risk on FF
[08:10] <Assid> works fine here on FF...
[08:12] <Assid> any suggestions on a place to post ?
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> imgur.com Assid
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> or dpaste
[08:12] <Assid> https://imgur.com/a/1SiBfM4
[08:13] <Assid> it happens like this for most snaps
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> hmm thats what weird indeed, have you tryed to terminal way Assid ?
[08:14] <Assid> nah.. im pretty sure apt is mature enough..
[08:14] <Assid> never installed snaps via terminal though
[08:14] <Assid> that said.. i would like to have the gui working fine
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> its just to test and findout the culprit Assid
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> sudo snap install discord, try
[08:16] <Assid> let me uninstall first
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> or whatsie, in your case
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> works here on 22.04 devel and ubuntu software
[08:17] <Assid> it was working fine before.. i screwed up something.. and i tried to rollback using history.. which didnt rollback zfs correctly.. and well.. long story short.. i ended up reinstalling
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> never seen that snap error myself before, maybe ogra_ did?
[08:19] <Assid> and now things arent as clean as they should be.. even in kvirc .. a single space shows up as double space in the text input.. but becomes ok once i press enter
[08:19] <Assid> https://imgur.com/a/ljuKqVO
[08:20] <Assid> cli seems fine
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> Assid: snap info snap-store, what version gives?
[08:22] <Assid|2> great is just hung now
[08:23] <Assid|2> did anyone say anything after my last message
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> Assid|2: Assid: snap info snap-store, what version gives?
[08:24] <mannequin> hey i can't run ubuntu-tweak-tool
[08:24] <mannequin> any fixes?
[08:24] <mannequin> it does not show up in the menu
[08:25] <Assid|2> man .. it just feels slower since ive reloaded
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> mannequin: its gnome-tweaks these days
[08:28] <mannequin> what you mean?
[08:29] <Assid> https://imgur.com/a/scaXrhH
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> Assid: check the recent snap store bugs here; https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> Assid: if you dont see your bug, consider filing a new one for your case
[08:34] <Croran> is there a way to automatically throttle RAM speed for any application that uses more than, say, 10GB of RAM?
[08:38] <Assid|2> lotuspsychje: can you post it.. the link is available in the snapshot
[08:39] <Assid|2> is there any VNC that works with wayland ?
[08:49] <Assid|2> btw: when i login.. i dont see the settings /gear icon to choose wayland / x11
[08:49] <Kuleshov> Let's play Counter-Strike: Condition Zero - connect <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:55] <Assid|2> shouldnt wayland be the default ?
[09:25] <mikev> Ubuntu is truly a great operating system. Thanks for all your hard work.
[10:27] <Assid|2> is there a good GUI for managing virtual machines (kvm based)
[10:28] <Assid|2> also .. im using ZFS .. so would be good if i could use a ZFS  zvol  as a storage
[10:34] <kushal> Assid|2, virt-manager
[10:38] <Assid|2> so i currently have a dataset like rpool/USERDATA/user_f2x0n1 something
[10:39] <Assid|2> technically i should be creating a zvol below that right.. would it automatically create snapshots next time zsys does a snapshot ?
[10:39] <Assid|2> does it take recursive snapshots ?
[11:24] <zenof> Is there any good reason why the ubuntu-live system creates a writable parition on my usb pendrive for persistence _without_ asking me to do so?
[11:24] <zenof> *partition
[11:31] <ice9> whenever I lock gdm in Ubuntu for while, it freezes and I have to force shutdown, anybody facing this issue? btw it's hyprid graphics laptop
[11:36] <zenof> ice9: by "it freezes" you mean only gdm freezes or anything else?
[11:37] <ice9> i mean i can toggle capslock but nothing else works, it's completely freezing
[11:38] <zenof> did you try using only one of your gpus?  for example the igp only?
[11:53] <josef-marie> what all about here
[11:54] <josef-marie> cos am new
[12:09] <zenof> okay, no one? then please at least explain how to permanently disable the creation of a writable partition.
[12:10] <Assid> hmm.. so i cant seem to be able to use ZVOL with virtual machine manager
[12:25] <ice9> how to install boost signals lib?
[12:25] <ice9> i isntalled libboost-all-dev but it's not included
[12:32] <KBar> zenof: `sudo chmod -w /dev/sdX`?
[12:33] <KBar> ice9: try libboost-signals-dev
[12:34] <ice9> KBar, there is no such package in the repo
[12:34] <KBar> ice9: what version of Ubuntu?
[12:34] <ice9> KBar, 21.10
[12:34] <KBar> its available in Bionic
[12:37] <KBar> ice9: libboost1.74-dev
[12:37] <KBar> libboost1.74-tools-dev
[12:58] <zenof> KBar: haven't tried that, but my inital question was :Is there any good reason why the ubuntu-live system creates a writable partition on my usb pendrive for persistence _without_ asking me to do so?
[13:00] <zenof> and I don't want to change the write permissions on a partition that will be mounted once I booted a system already..
[13:01] <KBar> zenof: I don't think it does that by default. It's mounted read-only and you can't access it. Are you sure you did not modify it with things like mkusb?
[13:04] <zenof> yes, I am sure. I just cloned the *.iso to my pendrive, and once I booted from it, it creates a partition called "writable" in the left free space, and puts install logs and stuff inside.
[13:05] <KBar> zenof: that's interesting. is it persistent though, i.e. can you write data to it and access it later after removing it from the computer?
[13:06] <zenof> and I expect a live system to not change anything in my partition tables at all, not on my actual hdd nor on the pendrive itself. just for security reasons.
[13:08] <KBar> zenof: I found a thread on ubuntuforums that explains what might be the reasoning behind it: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2446272
[13:08] <zenof> yes, it is persistent. when I later plug this usb pendrive to a installed system, the ubuntu live partition (ro) is there a long with  writable ext part
[13:13] <zenof> okay, from that thread "a cloned live drive is no longer read-only, but it creates an ext4 partition with the label 'writable' behind the cloned part of the drive automatically. ". why on earth is that done as default "automatically". I mean it would be okay to opt-in in something like that, but why do I have to proactively turn it off?
[13:14] <zenof> again, from a so called live-system I expect to leave everything untouched ...
[13:15] <KBar> zenof: there is probably a log of this change somewhere. keep in mind that you're not the only user of Ubuntu. there's probably a good reason to it. #ubuntu-devel might be a better place to ask and discuss such things
[13:17] <KBar> zenof: if you think it's potentially dangerous, file a bug report on launchpad.net against the affected packages or send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:21] <zenof> KBar: yes, I'm aware of not being the only ubuntu user. And yes, I will have some further read about that, maybe asking the dev-guys.. thx.
[13:47] <jsbach> hi! anyone using veracrypt here?
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> jsbach: usualy this channel focuses on ubuntu issues, if you think its related ask in this channel so volunteers can think along with you
[13:51] <KBar> jsbach: https://www.veracrypt.fr/en/Contact.html
[13:52] <jsbach> lotuspsychje, well yeah, as i installed the default pacage from the repo. The Problem: Auto-Mounting with Favourite Volumes don't work on my Ubuntu 20.04 with 5.11 Kernel
[13:54] <KBar> jsbach: ? it's not available from the default repositories
[13:55] <JackFrost> jsbach: I don't see an option to automatically mount favorites on launch, I do see a button to mount all favorites though.
[13:55] <jsbach> K8ar, hmm apt-cache tells me it is available. gotta check if i added external repo
[13:55] <JackFrost> You likely have a PPA for it, or downloaded the *.deb from sf.net/p/veracrypt
[13:56] <jsbach> JackFrost, exactly. According to theory of VeraCrypt, it is "all" mark the volume as "favourite"
[13:57] <KBar> To remind you, this channel is for Ubuntu support.
[14:00] <JackFrost> jsbach: Reading up on the doc about favorites (https://veracrypt.eu/en/docs/favorites/), it is written geared towards Windows and I'm not sure the same quite applies to Linux.  You have the option to add things to favorites and you can mount/dismount all from the tray and whatnot, butt I don't think you can do so on launch unless you're passing veracrypt --auto-mount=favorites
[14:00] <JackFrost> (I have never used such a feature though, so do not know it well.)
[14:00] <jsbach> JackFrost, thanks for the pointer. gotta check that out though.
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> alternate, zulucrypt is on the ubuntu repos
[14:02] <jsbach> wierd, i haven't added any veracrypt repos. I checked the /etc/apt/sources.list and sources.list.d/. Also the "Software Updater" UI
[14:02] <JackFrost> cryptsetup itself has support for veracrypt volumes too, though of course doesn't have a GUI like zulu does.
[14:02] <jsbach> anyhow.
[14:02] <JackFrost> jsbach: Can you pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy veracrypt`? | nc termbin.com 9999   should work I think.
[14:03] <jsbach> JackFrost, ok.
[14:03] <JackFrost> If you aren't super attched to the UI, maybe look into zulucrypt too.
[14:04] <KBar> jsbach: or do this (more reliable): `dpkg -S $(which -a COMMAND)`
[14:05] <JackFrost> That's...not at all the info I'm looking for.
[14:05] <KBar> it will print the name of the package the executable came from
[14:05] <jsbach> JackFrost, https://pastebin.com/33q1Gx63
[14:05] <jsbach> got more info for you guys. name of ma machine
[14:05] <jsbach> lol
[14:05] <KBar> jsbach: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=veracrypt&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[14:06] <JackFrost> jsbach: You didn't get that from a repo, there's no downloadable source.  I also don't recognize the version string right off either.
[14:06] <KBar> tell me you see a package called veracrypt there
[14:06] <jsbach> K8ar, got you
[14:06] <JackFrost> 1.25.4 is out, fwiw.
[14:06] <jsbach> i might have added temporarly i guess
[14:06] <KBar> you got it from launchpad
[14:06] <jsbach> JackFrost, thanks
[14:06] <KBar> the deb package
[14:06] <KBar> and installed with dpkg -i
[14:06] <jsbach> KBar, launchpad! aha! nice one.
[14:06] <jsbach> i might yes
[14:07] <JackFrost> Or, sf.net/p/veracrypt, which the releases are uploaded to and there's a pretty active community forum.
[14:08] <JackFrost> jsbach: FWIW, the docs should already be on your system at /usr/share/doc/veracrypt/HTML/
[14:08] <jsbach> JackFrost, i'll try the automount switch as you mentioned. if not, the update. just about time, those updates. then the configuration is gone etc. etc.
[14:08] <jsbach> JackFrost, thanks for the advice. veracrypt works fine, don't mind if ui or not ui. just a question of time investment
[14:09] <jsbach> JackFrost, well yeah. read the manual. i know
[14:16] <JackFrost> jsbach: Hah, I just meant there's a copy on your system, not just online.
[14:18] <mannequin> is there a way to make tweak tool work?
[14:19] <jsbach> JackFrost, ah! i see!
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-tweaks | mannequin
[14:20] <jsbach> ok, gotta restart. cheers!
[14:22] <mannequin> lotuspsychje: thanks man
[14:28] <KBar> mannequin: what do you mean make it work and how exactly it's not working?
[14:28] <mannequin> well i want system monitor
[14:28] <mannequin> on debian gnome is on the top
[14:29] <KBar> mannequin: that's very vague. You want to keep tabs on system resources usage and system performance?
[14:30] <mannequin> yes i want my eye on it on the top bar
[14:31] <KBar> mannequin: what's the output of `lsb_release -ds` and `gnome-shell --version`?
[14:31] <KBar> mannequin: also, can you link to a screenshot?
[14:32] <mannequin> lsb_release -ds
[14:32] <KBar> mannequin: type it into the shell
[14:32] <mannequin> oops
[14:32] <KBar> mannequin: open Activities > search for "Terminal"
[14:33] <KBar> mannequin: paste this command without the backquotes
[14:33] <KBar> we just use them to help it separate from our message, e.g. `this is a command you need to type in`
[14:34] <mannequin> i know
[14:36] <mannequin> Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[14:37] <mannequin> GNOME Shell 3.36.9
[14:37] <mannequin> maybe idk how to run it?
[14:37] <mannequin> KBar:
[14:37] <KBar> mannequin: thanks. Did you install any software for that?
[14:38] <KBar> What exactly did you install?
[14:39] <mannequin> the point is
[14:40] <mannequin> i do want the ayatem monitor on top
[14:40] <KBar> mannequin: you need to install the `gnome-shell-extension-system-monitor` package for that.
[14:40] <KBar> That's why I'm asking.
[14:40] <KBar> Did you install it or what else did you install?
[14:41] <KBar> GNOME Shell is very strict. You can't just move things to top panel.
[14:41] <KBar> mannequin: install the aforementioned package and enable it from the "Extensions" app.
[14:42] <mannequin> it's not there
[14:42] <mannequin> should i relog?
[14:43] <KBar> mannequin: what's not there? The package or the extension in the list?
[14:43] <dobbicorp> which drivers should i install for 2080ti?
[14:43] <dobbicorp> nvidia
[14:43] <KBar> mannequin: yes. You need to relogin
[14:43] <KBar> dobbicorp: `sudo ubuntu-drivers install`
[14:43] <dobbicorp> nvidia-driver-4* ?
[14:43] <mannequin> the extension is not present
[14:43] <KBar> mannequin: log out and log back in.
[14:44] <dobbicorp> KBar: ahh just like that, without actual numbers like 465 and 470
[14:44] <dobbicorp> ?
[14:44] <mannequin> that has to wait but thank you very much
[14:44] <KBar> dobbicorp: it will pull whichever fits the best.
[14:44] <dobbicorp> nice, thank you
[14:45] <KBar> mannequin: just to make sure. Is the package installed?
[14:45] <KBar> Did you install it?
[14:45] <mannequin> i did
[14:45] <mannequin> with apt
[14:45] <KBar> mannequin: can you post the output of `dpkg -l gnome-shell-extension-system-monitor`?
[14:45] <mannequin> i'm just currently doing something else on slow connection
[14:46] <KBar> mannequin: that command doesn't require any connection.
[14:46] <mannequin> ii  gnome-shell-extension-system-monitor 38+git20200414-32cc79e-1 all          Display system information in GNOME Shell status bar
[14:46] <mannequin> but if relog i'll waste time
[14:47] <oerheks> some extentions need a logout/login again..
[14:47] <KBar> +1
[14:48] <KBar> actually, restarting the shell should also work
[14:48] <KBar> but since you're on Wayland, i dont know the equivalent of `-r` for it :(
[14:49] <KBar> oerheks: is there one for Wayland sessions?
[14:52] <KBar> scrap that. ofc G**** removes that feature too: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2015-March/msg01019.html
[14:54] <Guest59> hey I have ubuntu flash drive
[14:54] <Guest59> how do I write files on it too
[14:54] <Guest59> I don't want the whole drive used for ubuntu alone
[14:54] <Guest59> it's 32gb
[14:55] <KBar> Guest59: my guess is to create separate partitions
[14:55] <Guest59> guide a bit if You know
[14:56] <KBar> Guest59: unfortunately i dont know. but i found this answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/1038927/make-a-ubuntu-live-usb-without-having-it-waste-the-whole-usb
[14:56] <KBar> Guest59: read through it and come back if you have more questions
[14:58] <KBar> Guest59: this one is much more comprehensive: https://askubuntu.com/questions/423300/live-usb-on-a-2-partition-usb-drive
[14:58] <Guest59> just use gparted
[15:01] <Guest59> https://ibb.co/frcB506
[15:01] <Guest59> so
[15:01] <Guest59> from this window
[15:01] <Guest59> what do I do
[15:01] <Guest59> resize?
[15:02] <oerheks> you see your installed ubuntu , sda
[15:02] <oerheks> first change it to your usb, top right corner..
[15:02] <oerheks> or the top menu, whatever
[15:03] <Guest59> it is usb
[15:03] <Guest59> 30 gb must be usb drive
[15:03] <oerheks> good
[15:03] <KBar> Guest59: I mean, the second link has it all. just follow the steps
[15:03] <jsbach> JackFrost, thanks. it worked with the switch. I also got the VeraCrypt to the latest update.
[15:03] <oerheks> oh wait, you want to edit the live usb?
[15:03] <oerheks> not possible.
[15:04] <Guest59> KBar I don't see steps
[15:04] <oerheks> do this from an other installed ubuntu
[15:05] <Guest59> wait so I format it to have two partitions
[15:05] <Guest59> then I just install usb live on one of them
[15:05] <Guest59> ?
[15:05] <Maik> i think you need a persistent install on the usb to store files on it....?
[15:06] <oerheks> yes, with mkusb, he got tyhe URLs
[15:06] <KBar> Guest59: something like that yes
[15:06] <oerheks> but not after writing the iso to usb
[15:06] <KBar> +1
[15:06] <Guest59> wait
[15:06] <Guest59> 2 drives appear
[15:06] <Guest59> one called writeable
[15:06] <Guest59> other ubuntu
[15:06] <KBar> its partitions
[15:06] <KBar> inside a driver
[15:07] <KBar> *drive
[15:42] <lili> join #debian
[15:45] <KBar> lili: do you have Ubuntu-related questions?
[15:57] <webchat19> hi folks! I just upgraded my vm server from 18.04 to 20.04, and for some reason netplan was not installed for some reason , so now the vm is without network..:D  I have accees to vm via console, and still have the netconfig in /etc/network/interfaces, but it's not activated on boot. Anyone have any good links to howto bring vm up with static ip
[15:57] <webchat19> and route with ip/route commands or some other idea how i could get network up so i could install netplan and have a try with the new yaml-type config (i'm moderate skill in linux, and have used netplan before to config). .. so chicken vs egg dilemma, howto install netplan without network:)  I could just backup the important data and nuke the vm
[15:57] <webchat19> and install fresh ubuntu 20.04 minimal or debian 11 and start over, but I wanted to ask comments first..
[16:03] <KBar> webchat19: `dpkg -l netplan.io`
[16:03] <leftyfb> webchat19: how is your interfaces configured now? dhcp or static?
[16:04] <leftyfb> webchat19: I would suggest dhcp. Then look at the interface name you have configured and compare that with the interface names being detected in /sys/class/net/
[16:04] <webchat19> static ip, but no network atm, because something has changed, and /etc/network/interfaces is not processed anymore
[16:04] <leftyfb> webchat19: e/n/i is probably being processed still
[16:04] <webchat19> this vm is in a datacenter, so no dhcp available
[16:05] <leftyfb> webchat19: ok, check my 2nd request
[16:08] <alala> Hi. Yesterday strange situation: Httpd ist deinstalled, also OpenVAS, that was listening to that port. But whenever I browsed to localhost, I was redirected to: https://<IP_ADDRESS>:9392/login/login.html . How can I figure out which application ist listening on that port? netstat would not ... thanks
[16:08] <leftyfb> alala: sudo lsof -i :9392
[16:09] <webchat19> leftyfb:  eth0 -> ../../devices/virtual/net/eth0 is in /sys/class/net/, and eth0 configured in interfaces, also i think ifconfig and ip link says interface is up, but without ip config
[16:09] <leftyfb> webchat19: journalctl -u networking
[16:09] <leftyfb> check for errors
[16:10] <alala> leftyfb: thank but that does not show the service or the binaray binding to it
[16:11] <leftyfb> alala: then there is no service listening on that port
[16:11] <alala> leftyfb: damn, I am blind. column 1
[16:11] <alala> thank you
[16:13] <webchat19> leftyfb: good suggestions,  RTNETLINK answers: No such process, and RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address visible, but i'm starting to think that it would be easier for me to bring another volume to this vm and copy all important stuff to that volume and start with fresh install, rather than try to debug this.. thanks anyway!
[16:26] <mannequin> too bad the system monitor indicator wont show temperatures
[16:47] <jhutchins> mannequin: Hmmm... 6,230,000 search results for "gnome temperature monitor".
[16:47] <mannequin> thats a lot
[16:48] <mannequin> it seems to not fit on the screen
[16:48] <mannequin> because the sensors are there
[16:48] <mannequin> maybe i'll shrink the graphs
[16:49] <mannequin> but not today
[16:49] <mannequin> i almost died on friday
[16:50] <mannequin> everything hurts
[16:50] <mannequin> is there a social channel for ubuntu?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> !discuss
[16:51] <mannequin> thanks
[17:01] <RedNifre> How do I change the zoom on my webcam?
[17:02] <RedNifre> As in, only the center of the video feed gets forwarded to the video call apps. I'm asking because my camera is farer away than usual.
[17:02] <jhutchins> RedNifre: Turn the black crank on the right hand side of the casing clockwise.
[17:03] <RedNifre> The webcam doesn't have an optical zoom, so I'm looking for a software zoom.
[17:03] <RedNifre> Ideally, I could set this in the operating system per camera, so if I find the ideal zoom, it would use it in all apps.
[17:04] <jhutchins> RedNifre: Well go ahead and write that then.
[17:04] <jhutchins> RedNifre: Seriously, we'd have to know what camera you have, and what software you're trying to use it with.
[17:05] <jhutchins> RedNifre: Web cams are not standard by any means, they use a variety of user interfaces and controls, and video applications do not have standard interfaces either.
[17:05] <RedNifre> Logitech cam and every software. Basically, I'd like to set "2 x zoom" and it would use the pixels from 1/4 X to 3/4 X and 1/4 Y to 3/4 Y.
[17:06] <RedNifre> Okay, sounds impossible then.
[17:06] <jhutchins> RedNifre: No, you just need to dig into the documentation for the components you're using.  Logitech doesn't explicitly support Linux apps, so they won't be much help.
[17:07] <jhutchins> !webcam
[17:08] <jhutchins> RedNifre: Remember, almost all commercial video is processed through Linux render farms, so the possibility is out there.
[17:08] <RedNifre> I was hoping that the OS would, you know, abstract he hardware. As in, the video call apps wouldn't have to care about the specific cam. Oh well.
[17:12] <movah4c> good evening. How do i get this utf8 character "🌡" in color ?
[17:26] <movah4c> i have this problem with the utf8 character in the console and in my own programm ( https://ibb.co/P6KHXR3 )
[17:41] <Guest88> hey
[17:42] <Guest88> I booted my ubuntu flash into acer pc to check before install
[17:42] <Guest88> how do I mount writable part of flash drive
[17:42] <Guest88> 32gb flash drive, and ubuntu took only 3
[17:42] <Guest88> on my home pc it shows writable partition
[17:42] <Guest88> how do I access it
[17:45] <summonner> Guest88, I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Can you rephrase the question in a different way?
[17:45] <Guest88> sdb4  27.3G root  disk  brw-rw----
[17:46] <Guest88> how do I acess  this  from ubuntu
[17:46] <EriC^^> Guest88: sudo mount /dev/sdb4 /mnt?
[17:46] <EriC^^> in the filemanager you should be able to click on it and it mounts it for you
[17:47] <Guest88> yeah
[17:47] <jhutchins> Guest88: Assuming that it's already defined as a partition, maeke a filesystem on it using mkfs, then mount it to whatever mount point you want.
[17:47] <Guest88> worked
[17:47] <jhutchins> Guest88: interesting.  I wonder how it got formated.
[17:47] <jhutchins> Guest88: Anyway, have fun.
[17:49] <kulesh> Let's play Counter-Strike: Condition Zero - connect <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:07] <Maik> kulesh: please don't do that here since it's a Ubuntu support channel, if you're looking for someone to play ask in #ubuntu-offtopic or other offtopic channels
[18:08] <oerheks> kulesh, too many times spamming
[18:08] <oerheks> !ops
[18:14] <MrCollinsGA> does rsync care if it is installed on client or nfs share machine or does it have to be on btoh?
[18:14] <MrCollinsGA> both*
[18:16] <shadow255> MrCollinsGA: if you're using rsync to move/copy between a client computer and an nfs share that is mounted from it, you only need rsync on your client computer
[18:17] <MrCollinsGA> shadow255, thank you!
[18:21] <MrCollinsGA> anyone have a terminal emulator they really like, better then stock ubuntu? :)
[18:22] <oerheks> there are tons of options, but this channel is not about polling.
[18:22] <Croran> gnome terminal is pretty good really
[18:22] <oerheks> yes, there is a reason for it being standard
[18:23] <MrCollinsGA> thank you! I wasnt trying to 'poll' maybe I was I have googled many options. I apologize
[18:23] <Croran> someday i hope the ttys will be redone to remove all the cruft and add better support for modern systems
[18:24] <Croran> but for now standardization is kind of a big positive
[18:26] <MrCollinsGA> OK./me nods approvingly
[18:27] <MrCollinsGA> whoops!
[18:27]  * MrCollinsGA nods approvingly
[18:50] <JackFrost> jsbach: Great!  Glad we could help.
[18:56] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: I prefer terminator for it's splitting and grouping
[19:03] <marc__> how do i remove mozilla firefox from system and re install it i tried purge firfox its still there
[19:07] <leftyfb> marc__: which version of ubuntu?
[19:07] <oerheks> remove the standard snap?
[19:08] <oerheks> snap remove -- purge firefox
[19:13] <marc__> latest
[19:13] <leftyfb> marc__: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:13] <marc__> im only removing it because the sound has stopped working
[19:13] <marc__> sound in games works but not on firfox
[19:13] <leftyfb> I've heard people say the latest and mean the install from 2 years ago. Also not even Ubuntu
[19:14] <marc__> i tried allow in the privacy setttings and it still didnt work
[19:14] <marc__> no w how can i re install it
[19:14] <dreamon> hello -> grep "21.12.24\|21.12.23\" /home/dreamon/sshfs/run/user/1000/Zaehler.pwr > /run/user/1000/Tag_Selektiv_Strom.pwr → by starting this command it dont get cursor back. it dont finish. I dont know why?
[19:14] <oerheks> snap install firefox ?
[19:15] <oerheks> also: rename the ~./.mozilla folder can help
[19:15] <marc__> ok thanks its re installing now
[19:16] <marc__> ok its still not working on youtube videos anyone got any ideas
[19:16] <marc__> no sound
[19:17] <oerheks> check sound settings?
[19:17] <oerheks> i am not sure how you could tell in a minute installing and that there is no sound
[19:18] <marc__> sounds working in games
[19:18] <marc__> ok no its strange there are no sound settings
[19:19] <leftyfb> marc__: did you have firefox running during either removing or reinstalling firefox?
[19:19] <marc__> I removed firefox and re installed it
[19:19] <marc__> yea i think the firefox was on screen
[19:20] <leftyfb> marc__: close it and start over
[19:20] <oerheks> pkill firefox
[19:21] <leftyfb> marc__: close firefox then : sudo pkill firefox ; mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/ && sudo snap remove purge firefox ; sudo snap install firefox
[19:23] <oerheks> that would be a nice oneliner
[19:24] <marc__> shall i restart after doing that as the sound settings have gone missing
[19:24] <leftyfb> marc__: which sound settings?
[19:25] <marc__> up in corner near network symbol
[19:25] <leftyfb> marc__: that doesn't have anything to do with firefox
[19:25] <leftyfb> marc__: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:26] <mannequin> why isn't weather working
[19:27] <marc__> https://termbin.com/rvjv
[19:28] <leftyfb> marc__: having "sound settings" in the top right corner of ubuntu has nothing to do with firefox
[19:28] <marc__> shall i restart
[19:29] <leftyfb> marc__: I can't answer that because I don't know what issue you are describing at the moment
[19:30] <marc__> no audio in firfox on youtube videos
[19:30] <leftyfb> marc__: wait, did you have some addon installed in firefox having to do with sound settings?
[19:31] <marc__> the only thing thats in there is plugins >> openH264 video codec
[19:32] <leftyfb> marc__: try this: mv ~/.config/pulse ~/     # then reboot
[19:32] <marc__> default for all websites is ALLOW AUDIO and VIDEO in privacy settings
[19:33] <marc__> brb gonna reboot
[19:33] <mannequin> ubuntu tweak tool shows me error by loading extension
[19:33] <leftyfb> mannequin: contact the developer of the extension for support
[19:34] <mannequin> it'sthe default ubuntu extension
[19:36] <Maik> mannequin: by default there's no weather extension in ubuntu. Did you install it yourself?
[19:36] <marc__> ok back sound is now on using firefox but my sound settings have all gone missing
[19:37] <marc__> ah its ok i found them
[19:38] <marc__> thanks everything is now fixed and working :)))
[19:39] <oerheks> have fun!
[19:39] <mannequin> it's gnome-shell-extension-weather, Maik
[19:39] <Maik> my question was if you installed it yourself mannequin
[19:40] <mannequin> it was right in there in ubuntu
[19:40] <mannequin> yes
[19:40] <oerheks> it is optional, iirc
[19:40] <oerheks> !info gnome-shell-extension-weather
[19:40] <Maik> it's not by default mannequin and i run ubuntu
[19:40] <mannequin> with apt
[19:40] <mannequin> well i got this in my repo
[19:41] <Maik> then file a bug
[19:42] <mannequin> ok
[19:42] <mannequin> tomorrow tho
[20:16] <Gallomimia> !kernel
[20:16] <Gallomimia> !mainline
[20:18] <Gallomimia> uhhhhh. this page is not very clear. how do i install a newer kernel? ubuntu 21.10
[20:20] <Gallomimia> this page still lists Freenode as the place to go for support: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ
[20:20] <oerheks> Gallomimia, not sure !hwe gives a newer kernel for 21.10
[20:20] <Gallomimia> !hwe
[20:20] <oerheks> !hwe
[20:21] <Gallomimia> that page is old as the hills too
[20:22] <Gallomimia> what i need... is hardware-un-disablement
[20:22] <oerheks> oh right, LTS only
[20:22] <Gallomimia> this set of hardware worked just fine under previous versions of ubuntu. 14.04 16.04
[20:22] <oerheks> one could test a mainline kernel, but then you are on your own
[20:22] <oerheks> !mainline
[20:22] <Gallomimia> why now i am having regression
[20:22] <Gallomimia> let me be a bit more clear on my issue: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-failed-to-grab-modeset-ownership-with-495-44/193867/26
[20:23] <Gallomimia> graphics drivers are having a fit. reports that kernel 5.13 works
[20:24] <oerheks> and what hardware exactly?
[20:25] <Gallomimia> GTX780Ti
[20:25] <Gallomimia> and possibly a motherboard called 990FXA with a really shitty amd iommu
[20:27] <Gallomimia> this is the error i'm having in dmesg: [drm:nv_drm_master_set [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab modeset ownership
[20:31] <oerheks> why does a 780i ring a bell.. such old card need the 340 driver IIRC
[20:31] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=impish
[20:32] <Gallomimia> nvidia site says 470
[20:33] <Gallomimia> 340 is from half a decade ago? that wouldn't even have vulkan support?
[20:45] <Gallomimia> so, what's the simplest way to install kernel 5.13 on 21.10
[20:46] <oerheks> 21.10 should already have 5.13
[20:52] <Gallomimia> well i'm on 5.12
[20:53] <Gallomimia> oh you're right. what
[20:54] <Gallomimia> um um um. 5.14 is what i wanted to upgrade to. but people are saying same issue under 5.14 and 5.15
[20:55] <Gallomimia> curses. i need this to go away. it's causing so many issues
[20:55] <Gallomimia> memory leaks. performance problems. hangs. certain programs won't error
[20:55] <Croran> is there a way to throttle memory usage for applications that use more than, say, 10GB of RAM?
[20:56] <oerheks> ' people are saying same issue under 5.14 and 5.15'... so they are running next Jellyfish 22.04?
[21:49] <oerheks> bye matrix
[21:57] <Gallomimia> oerheks, they're not always specific about what OS they're on
[21:59] <syberdork> 2
[22:00] <oerheks> one could test the mainline ppa, but that comes without support. i still think it is a wild claim, memory leaks, without further info.
[22:00] <oerheks> could be a browser, and a certain page only..
[22:06] <MrCollinsGA> running Ubuntu 20.04 I cant change window managers. I am trying to install a minimalist gui here is my output from apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[22:06] <MrCollinsGA> https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/raw/qewojoyuta
[22:07] <MrCollinsGA> now I am at a window manager that is not the one I had loaded before. It has very very minimal icons etc, like it is some kind of 'safe mode'.
[22:07] <MrCollinsGA> It is not the one I was going for the command apt install lightdm
[22:10] <pasiz> MrCollinsGA: are you talking of window manager or login manager
[22:10] <MrCollinsGA> window manager I *believe*
[22:10] <illia> hello guys
[22:11] <MrCollinsGA> hello
[22:11] <pasiz> lightdm is display manager
[22:11] <pasiz> thus name dm
[22:11] <MrCollinsGA> ok maybe thats what I am after.
[22:12] <MrCollinsGA> I know the *gui* I have now, is not what I wanted. I cant even open terminal without atrl-alt-t
[22:12] <pasiz> MrCollinsGA: what is your problem?
[22:12] <illia> whats your view on hacking
[22:12] <MrCollinsGA> not the right window manager
[22:12] <MrCollinsGA> hacking is typing code, right?
[22:12] <pasiz> MrCollinsGA: have you selected what window manager on display manager
[22:12] <leftyfb> !ot | illia
[22:13] <illia> typing commands plus cracking codes
[22:14] <leftyfb> illia: This is an ubuntu support channel. go to #ubuntu-offtopic to discuss anything else
[22:15] <pasiz> MrCollinsGA: what desktop environment you are trying to use? gnome, kde ??
[22:15] <MrCollinsGA> pasiz, not sure but I think I got it figured out. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-minimal-gnome-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[22:15] <MrCollinsGA> you helped me inadvertently figured out, thank you.
[22:15] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, how are you today
[22:16] <pasiz> aim to please...
[22:16] <MrCollinsGA> so let me get this straight, according to that website, what it tells you to install, is a desktop manager?
[22:18] <illia> mr collin what you want to find out about
[22:19] <MrCollinsGA> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-minimal-gnome-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux  does that website have me install a desktop manager? is that what the official word for 'gui' in ubuntu?
[22:20] <illia> graphical user interface
[22:20] <MrCollinsGA> I know what a gui is. :)
[22:21] <MrCollinsGA> is that installing a 'desktop manager'?
[22:22] <Gallomimia> still have not figured out how to change to a newer kernel. the wiki doesn't help, and no one in this channel is willing to tell me.
[22:23] <oerheks> MrCollinsGA, yes, but more minimal than the ubuntu minimal desktop
[22:23] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: why do you think you need a newer kernel?
[22:23] <oerheks> Gallomimia, there is no newer kernel
[22:23] <oerheks> try !mainline, but those are for testing only
[22:23] <MrCollinsGA> Gallomimia, take help when someone is willing and humbly appreciate it.
[22:24] <Gallomimia> it has been suggested that using a different kernel version will cause the nvidia driver to stop flipping its wig
[22:24] <Gallomimia> so, yes. i'll be testing.
[22:25] <Gallomimia> the !mainline snippet did not give me any understandable instructions
[22:25] <oerheks> you are still using the 495?
[22:25] <Gallomimia> 470
[22:25] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: maybe start by asking for help troubleshooting your exact issue (nvidia) and not with some solution someone on the internet came up with that might or might not work
[22:25] <Gallomimia> according to nvidia website 495 does not support the 780i
[22:26] <Gallomimia> okay. this issue i'm having is this error in dmesg: [   24.319403] [drm:nv_drm_master_set [nvidia_drm]] *ERROR* [nvidia-drm] [GPU ID 0x00000100] Failed to grab modeset ownership
[22:27] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: do you have any symptoms other than this kernel message?
[22:27] <Gallomimia> here is a full paste of my dmesg: https://termbin.com/dhb6
[22:28] <Gallomimia> yes. the gpu performance is attrocious. there are unexplainable memory leaks in the system. websites refuse to display visual. certain programs refuse to quit cleanly.
[22:29] <Gallomimia> they are numerous and difficult to descirbe. i asked for help in this channel some time ago, and was pointed at this kernel message. a solution was not forthcoming nor simple so i had to back-burner it
[22:30] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/ubuntu-21-10-failed-to-grab-modeset-ownership-with-495-44/193867/28   looks like this is a known issue with nvidia's driver. Nothing we can really do here
[22:31] <Gallomimia> regression, as it worked fine years ago. i suppose i can downgrade the driver
[22:32] <Gallomimia> seems there's actual interest from an nvidia employee... i wonder if there's any reports i can submit to aid?
[22:33] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: maybe post in that thread
[22:33] <leftyfb> good luck
[22:33] <Gallomimia> yeah >:( thanks tho
[22:47] <Gallomimia> okay that's good. hopefully nvidia staff is back in the office tomorrow.
[23:38] <trafficjam> anyone know what this `apt upgrade` error means? 'E: Failed to fetch http://binaries.erlang-solutions.com/debian/pool/erlang-crypto_24.1.7-1%7eubuntu%7eimpish_amd64.deb  File has unexpected size (191482 != 191542). Mirror sync in progress?'
[23:39] <leftyfb> trafficjam: it means contact erlang-solutions.com for support with their broken repo
[23:40] <trafficjam> leftyfb: it's definitely a repo issue?
[23:40] <jhutchins> trafficjam: Yes.
[23:40] <leftyfb> trafficjam: do you have issues with any of your other repos?
[23:40] <jhutchins> trafficjam: Probably just temporary.
[23:40] <trafficjam> nope just this one
[23:42] <jhutchins> trafficjam: Repos are fairly automated, when something messes up they need human intervention, which isn't immediate (especially on weekends and holidays).
[23:42] <trafficjam> ah ok, thanks
[23:53] <trafficjam> can someone explain what exactly happens during a mirror sync? and is there a way to use an older version of the package? not sure i want to wait several days for this gets fixed
[23:57] <trafficjam> for example can i use the 21.04 version?
[23:58] <trafficjam> going to do it


[08:58] <punkrockmcduck> morning everyone.
[12:15] <mdales> on upstart 0.2.7, which is what edgy seems to have, what's the correct way to make one script dependent on another having run? currently I have the first script to "initctl emit myevent" and in the dependent script "start on myevent"
[12:15] <mdales> is this correct?


[00:22] <Kilos> o/
[00:27] <Chro10111> anyone online?
[00:28] <Kilos> hi Chro10111
[00:28] <Chro10111> Hello man
[00:28] <Chro10111> :) hi
[00:28] <Kilos> im not sure if anyone else is awake atm
[00:30] <Chro10111> my english verry bad so it what mean? i just want say hello to people.. hope not angry
[00:30] <Kilos> not angry. and hello to you
[00:30] <Kilos> where are you?
[00:31] <Chro10111> im from Vietnam.. im install Ubuntu 16.10.. unity8 not work im test into Virtualbox
[00:31] <Chro10111> bye.. im out, goodluck
[00:32] <Kilos> ask for help on the #ubuntu channel, there should be someone there that is awake at the moment and can help you
[00:32] <Kilos> this channel is mainly for loco teams
[20:57] <Kilos> o/


[00:06] <mate|3127> Hello folks.  Just got Mate installed on Pi 3 and can't install updates because /boot partition is too small.
[00:06] <mate|3127> Any advice?  Or do I have to do the gparted dance?
[00:08] <mate|3127> Also, Chromium won't install from the boutique.  No .deb files are found.
[00:08] <mate|3127> Is that a known issue?
[01:54] <motobot> I had the same issue with the partition size
[01:54] <motobot> No advice, really, just speculating
[01:55] <motobot> Is there a way to enlarge the partition of the system? Similar to Mac OS environment?
[02:39] <jonas_> oi
[02:39] <jonas_> so how do i install chromium on ubuntu mate on a raspberry pi? not a big fan of firefox.
[02:56] <melis> hello all baby
[03:21] <Guest7826> hi
[03:21] <KTrad> hiya
[07:59] <jeepneystride> asd
[07:59] <jeepneystride> sadas
[14:10] <jnewt> when i plug in a usb disk to i see unnamed drive (/dev/sdd) in caja computer:///   when i try to open it, i get "unable to mount location an operation is already pending".   i can go to terminal and sudo mount /dev/sdd1 /mnt/usb  .  how do i get this to enumerate properly (sdd1 instead of sdd so that it will mount from the de)
[14:46] <Jack_Sparrow__> what format is that partition
[15:11] <jnewt> when mounting, df -T show vfat
[15:12] <jnewt> Jack_Sparrow__, ^
[15:15] <Jack_Sparrow__> Try a drive with ext4 or something known to work, let people know if uefi or some virtual machine setup is involved
[15:16] <Jack_Sparrow__> format it with usb writer
[16:42] <jose__> hello, can somebody help me?
[16:49] <Akuli> what's the problem?
[16:52] <jose__> i just intalled a days ago ubuntu mate 16.04, and plymouth is not showing, i would like to know how to fix that
[17:23] <jnewt> no virtual machine.  i don't know about uefi.  I don't think i can use it on windows if it's ext4.  i want something that i can transfer from one to the other without any hassles.
[17:25] <Jack_Sparrow__> jnewt, It was just for a test, but I dont have time to help you.  good luck
[18:54] <timon_> HELP
[18:54] <lesik_> hey, is the mutiny layout supposed to work yet? on a fresh 17.04 install, applications crash as soon as I open a menu.
[18:54] <lesik_> definitely reproductible
[18:54] <timon_> what?
[18:54] <lesik_> segmentation fault
[18:54] <timon_> okay?
[18:56] <timon_> so HELP
[19:00] <timon_> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:00] <timon_> HELP
[19:01] <timon_> HELP!!!!!
[19:01] <timon_> SOME ONE HELP
[19:03] <timon_> WAY WILL NO ONE HELP ME!!!!!
[19:31] <lesik_> timon_: nobody will help you when you are writing in caps and abusing exclamation marks
[19:36] <Akuli> lesik_, oh lol i confused you with timon_
[19:36] <Akuli> i have no idea about your question though, i just use 14.04 and it works :)
[19:37] <lesik_> well, if somebody could confirm this bug, it should be definitely reported
[19:37] <lesik_> as this is a fresh install and we don't want this bug to get into 18.04