[12:28] <Daviey> still lots of stuff we can strip out eh?
[12:30] <superm1> well there is still stuff that can be stripped out if we step back from the ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard packages
[12:30] <superm1> guess we'll have to see how strapped for space we end up
[12:30] <DaveMorris> Daviey: If you get a job at smoothwall, make it easy to block subnets of continents (sp) so I don't have to c&p the subnets
[12:30] <Daviey> should be fine tbh - well below 650mb
[12:31] <Daviey> DaveMorris, :)
[12:31] <superm1> with all packages installed, we were sitting at 372 last local build i did
[12:31] <superm1> God, this is great :) Fetched 40.6MB in 10s (3838kB/s)
[12:31] <Daviey> superm1, that's faster than my LAN :)
[12:32] <DaveMorris> faster than my apt-cacher
[12:34] <Daviey> Fetched 80.7MB in 35s (2271kB/s)!!!!!
[12:34] <superm1> when said and done, i think we are going to end up with a metapackage called ubuntu-desktop
[12:34] <superm1> that will depend on everything necessary that is in here
[12:35] <superm1> because that will probably be the easiest way to interface with the installer
[12:35] <Daviey> let's make a meta-package that only includes ubuntu-desktop :)
[12:35] <superm1> er um mythbuntu-desktop
[12:35] <superm1> i was reading a forum post when typing that....
[12:41] <superm1> oh you know what.  i think i know what might have done it.
[12:41] <superm1> imbrando n is running apache and mysql-server on there isn't he?
[12:42] <superm1> well perhaps in that chroot it is trying to start another instance of mysql-server
[12:42] <superm1> whereas locally when i built - my laptop didnt have it on there
[12:42] <superm1> so it clearly cant bind to port 3306 when its already in use
[12:44] <DaveMorris> set it to bind to another port
[12:44] <superm1> well that makes fine sense during install, but then it needs to be set back before burning
[12:44] <DaveMorris> or change the other one
[12:44] <superm1> because doing things on nonstandard ports will sure complicate an installation, now wont it?
[12:45] <DaveMorris> yes, so change the port of the one installed on the server
[12:45] <DaveMorris> or swap the server to use postgreSQL
[12:46] <superm1> still i expect apache to have the same troubles?
[12:46] <superm1> just didnt let the build go that far in
[12:46] <DaveMorris> can we build the image on a home machine and then upload it each night?
[12:47] <superm1> well the idea is supposed to be that it will build quicker on there eventually
[12:47] <superm1> but yes we can do that if it comes down to it
[12:47] <DaveMorris> my backup machine hardly does anything
[12:48] <DaveMorris> just sits there all day and backs up svn repos adn databases once a day, and does an rsync with my desktops once a week
[12:48] <DaveMorris> it can easily build it and upload the iso every day
[12:48] <DaveMorris> although the upload will be slow
[12:48] <superm1> k, i'll keep that in mind.  decent bandwidth?
[12:48] <superm1> oh.
[12:48] <DaveMorris> DSL
[12:48] <DaveMorris> so about 28Kbps up
[12:48] <superm1> ick
[12:49] <superm1> hopefully wont have to resort to that
[12:50] <DaveMorris> about a 5 - 6 hr upload :(
[12:50] <DaveMorris> or I could setup a machine at work to do it
[12:50] <DaveMorris> my work = uni = superJanet
[12:50] <Daviey> superm1, if the machine was a little beefier we could run a vm
[12:51] <DaveMorris> but my work machine is Amd64 which may cause problems
[12:51] <Daviey> chroot to the resuce
[12:51] <superm1> well we will be doing both amd64 and x86 ideally
[12:51] <DaveMorris> of course it won't be a problem for doing amd64 iso's
[12:52] <superm1> but for now x86 will be fine, but yes chroot to the rescue
[12:52] <superm1> *most* of the process takes place in a chroot right now anyhow...... Daviey ;)
[12:52] <Daviey> "Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.38-0ubuntu1) " dum de dum
[12:52] <DaveMorris> if you give me a script I can have my desktop at work auto build the iso and upload to your server.  And e-mail us all if it failed
[12:53] <superm1> on the console it was launching:  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                [ OK ]
[12:53] <superm1>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                                [fail]
[12:53] <superm1> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
[12:53] <superm1> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure):
[12:53] <superm1>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:53] <superm1> but not in the build log
[12:53] <superm1> so yet the same thing
[12:53] <DaveMorris> thinking about it I also have access to an i386 box
[12:53] <Daviey> hmm superm1 - i suggest changing pegasus standard
[12:53] <Daviey> only drupal uses it atm, right?
[12:54] <superm1> i think
[12:54] <superm1> . i hope
[12:54] <Daviey> infact.... lets try the build again with mysqld killed
[12:55] <superm1> see apache is so much nicer about this: Setting Apache2 not to start, as something else appears to be using Port 80. To allow apache2 to start, set NO_START to 0 in /etc/default/apache2. Apache2 has been set to listen on port 80 by default, so please edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf as desired. Note that the Port directive no longer works.
[12:55] <superm1> i'll stop it once it stops trying to install more packages for a moment
[12:55] <superm1> so we can pick back up at the same time
[12:56] <superm1> Daviey, know where the drupal setting for port is?
[12:56] <Daviey> nope
[12:58] <Daviey> is the latest build script in bzr?
[12:58] <Daviey> mysql down
[01:00] <superm1> just took it down
[01:00] <superm1> and trying it with it down
[01:01] <superm1> latest build script is in /var/cache/mythbuntu_iso/
[01:01] <superm1> yup that worked right
[01:01] <superm1> so we need to move the local mysql server to another port
[01:03] <Daviey> hmm.. what about apache tho
[01:04] <superm1> apache seems to continue on
[01:05] <superm1> and not complain too much
[01:05] <Daviey> can i bring mysqld back up?
[01:05] <superm1> just did
[01:05] <superm1> on port 3307
[01:05] <superm1> looks like drupal just needed /var/www/sites/default/settings.php all changed
[01:05] <superm1> to add a port number
[01:07] <Daviey> was looking through interface - coudn't find anything
[01:08] <Daviey> seem logical for it not to be part of interface tho - if you can see the interface - your connected
[01:09] <superm1> :)
[01:10] <superm1> so i realized too, that mysql will be running after the build process starts, so at the end of the build script, i added a call to stop it
[01:10] <superm1> i noticed that both it and apache were running from a chroot on my box :)
[01:10] <superm1> keescook, ping?
[01:11] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, Daviey , you'll be getting mail in a few minutes
[01:12] <rogue780|laptop> I've sent it...no saying when you'll get it
[01:12] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, cheers - i was just gonna go to bed; but now i'll wait
[01:12] <Daviey> can you guys work on gmt timezone?
[01:12] <Daviey> that would make things better for me
[01:13] <Daviey> :P
[01:13] <rogue780|laptop> they're concepts...different coloring on one...tell me what you like and I'll develop something based on your input...call it evolution based artwork if you will
[01:13] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, I work in zulu time...that close enough?
[01:13] <Daviey> my zulu or yours?
[01:13] <Daviey> :)
[01:13] <rogue780|laptop> GMT with now daylight savings time
[01:14] <rogue780|laptop> :)
[01:14] <rogue780|laptop> (:
[01:14] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, you come from a military background?
[01:15] <rogue780|laptop> I'm in the US Air Force for another 3 years
[01:15] <rogue780|laptop> then I'm gettin' out
[01:16] <DaveMorris> rogue780| so BST then
[01:16] <rogue780|laptop> Bull **** Time?
[01:16] <Daviey> Brit summer time
[01:16] <rogue780|laptop> ah
[01:16] <superm1> Daviey, i'm awake all day
[01:16] <superm1> you've caught me at least 18 different hours of the day :0
[01:17] <Daviey> hehe
[01:25] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, i'm between 1 and 2
[01:25] <superm1> not much of a fan of 3
[01:25] <Daviey> superm1, just had a though
[01:25] <Daviey> t
[01:26] <Daviey> the mythbuntu usplash - isn't that arch = any?
[01:26] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, and its a tough decision between 1 and 2.
[01:26] <superm1> yes
[01:26] <superm1> so it can be built for amd64, ppc, sparc, arm, anything
[01:27] <Daviey> image 1: +1
[01:27] <Daviey> currently it's i386
[01:27] <Daviey> should be any - surely?
[01:27] <superm1> well arch=any means it "can" be built for anything
[01:27] <superm1> arch=all means that one binary works on all
[01:27] <rogue780|laptop> I've got a fourth
[01:28] <superm1> is it 1.5?
[01:28] <superm1> because i'm literally half way between 1 and 2
[01:28] <rogue780|laptop> might give 1 and 2 competition...the 3rd one was a concept idea....I'll explain more in another one I think.
[01:28] <Daviey> i mean - the compile should work on any - right?
[01:29] <DaveMorris> Daviey: should do
[01:29] <DaveMorris> can but try
[01:29] <Daviey> :( mythbuntu-artwork-usplash_0.1_i386.deb
[01:29] <superm1> the compile should work on any yes
[01:30] <superm1> so if you take that source package and do it on amd64
[01:30] <superm1> things will work out as expected
[01:30] <DaveMorris> can he compile for amd64 on i386 is what his asking I think
[01:31] <Daviey> what i was really asking is - for something such as this, does it need a specifc architecture build?
[01:31] <Daviey> or can the .deb be 'any'?
[01:31] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, superm1 ygm
[01:32] <rogue780|laptop> or ywgm
[01:32] <DaveMorris> ywgm?
[01:32] <rogue780|laptop> you will get mail
[01:32] <Daviey> you w****** got mail?
[01:32] <DaveMorris> ahh
[01:32] <superm1> oh it needs to be architecture specific builds
[01:32] <rogue780|laptop> for those of you with ubuntuwire
[01:33] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, nice effort - but it's loosing it's 'buzz'
[01:33] <superm1> there is a source file in it that gets compiled for that particular architecture
[01:33] <Daviey> ah.. good point
[01:34] <Daviey> the C file
[01:34] <superm1> are both attachments identical?
[01:34] <DaveMorris> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/bzr link from http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/4 is broken btw
[01:34] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, if you could make it darker - i do like the effect
[01:34] <Daviey> with the white light
[01:34] <superm1> thanks DaveMorris
[01:35] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, eh? mythbuntu4.xcf.tar.gz is another idea
[01:35] <superm1> we dont have that branch finalized still because we need to migrate
[01:35] <superm1> i havent downloaded yet
[01:35] <superm1> just swa the two
[01:35] <rogue780|laptop> Daviey, so no blue? kind of a silvery look?
[01:35] <Daviey> darker blue
[01:35] <Daviey> it's quite pale atm
[01:35] <superm1> i do like the idea of 4, but agree with Daviey
[01:35] <superm1> i see where you are going with it
[01:35] <rogue780|laptop> darker blue. got it
[01:36] <DaveMorris> is someone gonna create a mythbuntu myththeme?
[01:36] <Daviey> haha
[01:36] <Daviey> DaveMorris, well voluntered
[01:36] <superm1> that would make sense, wouldnt it
[01:36] <DaveMorris> Daviey: I don't have a clue how to do it, and my artistic skills suck
[01:37] <Daviey> DaveMorris, me 2!
[01:37] <Daviey> DaveMorris, if you do feel like trying to - might be an idea to speak with juski in #mythtv-users
[01:37] <Daviey> he has made some nice themes
[01:37] <Daviey> http://www.juski.co.uk/
[01:38] <superm1> he has made some really really sweet themes
[01:38] <superm1> i am in love with blootube lately
[01:38] <DaveMorris> could we ask him to make a mythbuntu one if he is feeling bored
[01:38] <Daviey> sweet.... if memory hungry :)
[01:38] <DaveMorris> I currently use lulius
[01:38] <Daviey> superm1, i had to give up on blootube-wide as it wanted more ram
[01:38] <superm1> well i've got a gig of ram in my box
[01:38] <superm1> it does run pretty heavy though your righ
[01:38] <Daviey> i had a gig - but took out 512 for my server
[01:39] <Daviey> DaveMorris, might be worth a try
[01:39] <rogue780|laptop> when did geocities stop being free?
[01:39] <DaveMorris> my hardware is seriously under powered
[01:40] <DaveMorris> couldn't we just edit the default mythtv themes anre replace mythtv with mythbuntu TV
[01:41] <Daviey> good thinking - they are all gpl'd
[01:41] <Daviey> (all official)
[01:41] <superm1> DaveMorris, the new iso is done
[01:41] <superm1> if you want to grab it
[01:41] <superm1> it replaced the old one (since today is still 050707 here)
[01:42] <Daviey> Anybody played with knoppmyth recently?
[01:42] <Daviey> (or for the last year)?
[01:42] <superm1> Daviey, blasphemy :)
[01:42] <Daviey> good thinking!
[01:42] <superm1> But no i haven't
[01:42] <superm1> night DaveMorris
[01:42] <Daviey> superm1, hehe - they have added extra menu's - maintaince style
[01:42] <Daviey> like "backup settings"
[01:42] <Daviey> and "restore settings"
[01:43] <superm1> thats pretty useful for them to do
[01:43] <rogue780|laptop> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mythbuntu5.png
[01:43] <Daviey> we shouldn't need that quite so much as it's a constant upgrade
[01:43] <rogue780|laptop> figured this might be faster
[01:43] <superm1> considering our automatic mysql backups, sholudnt be too bad for us to do
[01:44] <Daviey> knoppmyth insist on a fresh install after each release
[01:44] <superm1> oh thats why
[01:44] <superm1> i see
[01:44] <superm1> ah i like rogue780|laptop
[01:45] <Daviey> that's much better
[01:45] <Daviey> any chance you can try one shade darker for comparision?
[01:45] <rogue780|laptop> sure
[01:45] <Daviey> anyway... i *really* need sleep
[01:45] <Daviey> rogue780|laptop, good work
[01:46] <superm1> Night Daviey :)
[01:46] <Daviey> be back tomorrow - today - bah 10 hours i expect
[01:47] <rogue780|laptop> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mythbuntu6.png
[01:48] <rogue780|laptop> darker still?
[01:48] <superm1> i think 5 is good darkness
[01:48] <superm1> 6 is very subtle
[01:50] <rogue780|laptop> try 7
[01:51] <rogue780|laptop> more contrast
[01:51] <rogue780|laptop> I don't like it
[01:51] <rogue780|laptop> so nevermind
[01:52] <rogue780|laptop> so 5 is good?
[01:54] <superm1> 7 is loading really slow...
[01:54] <superm1> let you know when it come up
[01:54] <rogue780|laptop> alrighty. gotta love cable--13mbit down...super slow up
[01:54] <tgm4883> im not a fan of 7
[01:54] <tgm4883> 5 looks good though
[01:55] <rogue780|laptop> yeah i didn't like 7 too much once i saw it full size
[01:55] <rogue780|laptop> ok
[01:55] <tgm4883> maybe somewhere between 5 and 7 is great, but 5 is the best right now
[01:56] <rogue780|laptop> superm1, tgm4883 if you go to my root address can you access my mythweb?
[01:56] <superm1> 5 is the best right now
[01:56] <superm1> yes i can
[01:56] <tgm4883> yep
[01:56] <superm1> you might want to put a htaccess file there..
[01:56] <rogue780|laptop> :\
[01:56] <superm1> and for the phpmyadmin as well
[01:57] <rogue780|laptop> I'll have to look into htaccess never done one before
[01:57] <rogue780|laptop> lol
[01:57] <superm1> your CPU is 34C right now.  and you have 13 days of guide data
[01:57] <superm1> tgm4883, the disk that was just bulit a few minutes ago is more useful now
[01:58] <superm1> it will install into a backend/frontend
[01:58] <superm1> and launch mythtv-setup upon reboot
[01:59] <tgm4883> nice
[01:59] <tgm4883> um
[02:03] <tgm4883> rogue780|laptop, you got pm
[02:03] <rogue780|laptop> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/mythbuntu8.png
[02:03] <rogue780|laptop> tgm4883, i have issues with pm's on freenode
[02:03] <tgm4883> ah
[02:03] <tgm4883> well
[02:03] <tgm4883> you need to set some security up on your box
[02:04] <tgm4883> let me check something
[02:04] <rogue780|laptop> and I have security. normally I don't have any open ports at all...I just opened it up to show ya'll what I've done w/o having to send e-mails
[02:04] <tgm4883> ah
[02:04] <superm1> 8 looks very good
[02:05] <rogue780|laptop> so are we agreed on a double gradient instead of a single one?
[02:05] <superm1> yes
[02:06] <tgm4883> 8 looks great
[02:06] <superm1> rogue780|laptop, if you do decide to leave port 80 open, you will want to add a mysql password.  its a two step process if your interested
[02:06] <superm1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 followed by sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database
[02:07] <superm1> either that or remove phpmyadmin or add htaccess files
[02:07] <rogue780|laptop> naw I'm gonna close it off now actually...gotta clean the carpet on the other half of the room. but I will add some security
[02:07] <superm1> ah okay
[02:07] <superm1> good good
[02:07] <superm1> just dont want to see someone take your box hostage
[02:07] <superm1> but 8 looks great
[02:08] <rogue780|laptop> and it's closed
[02:08] <tgm4883> mythweb rocks
[02:08] <rogue780|laptop> ok. I'll work on making a final product based off of 8 and I'll send it to you in the morning
[02:08] <superm1> sweet okay.  then i'll have the licensing ready by tomorrow
[02:08] <superm1> to resubmit with it
[02:09] <superm1> can you do the same thing where you gave me the 3 different sizes again
[02:09] <superm1> and i'll get the 1360x768 made too
[02:10] <rogue780|laptop> yeah
[02:17] <superm1> i'll make these into default backgrounds for mythbuntu installer as well
[02:17] <superm1> rather than the centered mythbuntu logo
[02:17] <superm1> *centered mythtv logo
[02:22] <tgm4883> do we know roughly when .21 will be released?
[02:25] <superm1> there is unfortunately never an eta with the way myth works
[02:25] <superm1> its always "when its done"
[02:26] <superm1> it was more than a year between 0.20 and 0.19
[02:28] <tgm4883> yea i figured that much, but was looking for an educated guess, based on what they want to accomplish for .21, and how far they have come since .20
[02:28] <tgm4883> a ball park figure like 2008 or Q4 07
[02:30] <superm1> the easiest way to gauge is by looking at the number of open tickets,  http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap
[02:30] <superm1> which the number is coming down, so unless that jumps up again, i'd say end of this year
[02:31] <tgm4883> nice
[02:35] <superm1> tgm4883, what did you think of the interface for mythbuntu in terms of installation
[02:35] <superm1> were the idesk icons weird?
[02:35] <superm1> or good or bad
[02:35] <superm1> or what
[02:41] <tgm4883> the icons were fine, was a little weird having icons for items that weren't installed though
[02:42] <tgm4883> two icons also were in the same spot
[02:42] <superm1> oh in the resultant session
[02:42] <superm1> the Administration session
[02:43] <tgm4883> yea
[02:43] <tgm4883> i never did login as the mythtv user
[02:43] <superm1> yea that should be fixed in todays build
[02:43] <superm1> i was just trying to think of something that would handle administration tasks for a user
[02:43] <superm1> as needed
[02:43] <superm1> and thought that would do the trick
[02:43] <superm1> without them requiring command line
[02:52] <rogue780|laptop> howdy all. that was weird...I CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACEed and my computer restarted
[03:20] <rogue780|laptop> well I'm off
[06:59] <superm1> keescook, ping?
[10:45] <fstx> any users in Sweden? I have problems with mythfilldatabase/tv_grab_se_swedb
[11:01] <DaveMorris> someone gonna set a topic?
[11:05] <DaveMorris> anyone around?
[11:07] <fstx> I seem to be the only one here. Why set a topic, and how?
[11:08] <DaveMorris> you need to be an op
[11:08] <DaveMorris> just the general stuff, like pastebin/chanels logged/ what we are here for
[11:30] <DaveMorris> Hi all, I have the build script for mythbuntu, trying to make a amd64 build, but I'm missing these files, do you know where I can get them from? ISOTMP - background_setup.xpm - background_install.xpm - mythbuntu-install-script
[11:35] <DaveMorris> my blog is getting a few mythtv hits :)
[11:36] <Daviey> DaveMorris, try bzr co http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythbuntu/devel
[11:37] <DaveMorris> cheers
[11:37] <Daviey> warning... not totally up to date
[11:37] <Daviey> buy has isotmp et al
[11:37] <Daviey> buy = but
[11:37] <DaveMorris> sounds good
[11:44] <Daviey> actually DaveMorris - superm1 updated the changes
[11:45] <DaveMorris> cool, btw who do I submit a patch to for the build script?
[11:46] <Daviey> you can't atm
[11:46] <Daviey> you'll need to apply to join the ubuntu mythtv maintainers
[11:47] <DaveMorris> thats to commit myself, who wants to sponsor me and sumit my patch for me
[11:47] <Daviey> then rather than using bzr http you need to use<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:48] <Daviey> Do you have something in mind?
[11:48] <DaveMorris> I've jsut fixed small things, like using -p on mkdir
[11:49] <DaveMorris> add in some missing mkdir and fixed a arch issue, still not built and iso yet :)
[12:07] <DaveMorris> I'm behind a proxy, although my proxy is set in my apt.conf is it gonna be a problem running the mythbuntu_install.sh script?
[12:08] <Daviey> can't imagine there being a problem
[12:09] <Daviey> :)
[12:09] <Daviey> it was an initial version of that script that "sudo rm -rf /"  :)
[12:10] <DaveMorris> did it
[12:10] <DaveMorris> haha
[12:10] <DaveMorris> this best not
[12:10] <DaveMorris> I'll lose my work at work
[12:10] <Daviey> required a full re-install
[12:10] <Daviey> *fixed* ow
[12:10] <Daviey> now
[12:12] <Daviey> if you have only made minor changes, feel free to email them to me & i'll commit them
[12:12] <Daviey> how long did your check out take?
[12:12] <DaveMorris> I wanna test it 1st
[12:12] <Daviey> :)
[12:13] <DaveMorris> how long should it take to Retrieve the Release?  And does it show progress?
[12:13] <Daviey> has bzr co finished?
[12:13] <DaveMorris> that finshed ages ago, I'm running the script now
[12:13] <Daviey> ahh
[12:14] <Daviey> no - script does't show progress
[12:14] <Daviey> how powerful is your machine?
[12:14] <Daviey> anywhere between 30-60 mins
[12:14] <DaveMorris>  AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4400+
[12:14] <Daviey> did you change the mirror?
[12:14] <DaveMorris> nope
[12:15] <Daviey> what speed are you geeting?
[12:15] <DaveMorris> no idea, its hanging on Starting normal Mythbuntu build initiated by 0 at Tue May  8 23:12:45 BST 2007
[12:15] <DaveMorris> I: Retrieving Release
[12:15] <Daviey> currently set BASE_MIRROR.....
[12:15] <DaveMorris>  BASE_MIRROR='http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/'
[12:16] <Daviey> that's superm1's university
[12:16] <DaveMorris> I think the proxy is getting in the way
[12:16] <Daviey> yeah
[12:17] <Daviey> all that needs, is a repo
[12:17] <Daviey> i'll be gone for a few mis
[12:25] <Daviey> I need to go to bed now
[12:25] <Daviey> need to be perky for my interview
[12:25] <Daviey> ttfn


[03:33] <Kilos> morning sleep heads
[03:52] <Kilos> Fetched 134 MB in 2min 43s (815 kB/s)           im sure this is cooking my modem'
[03:56] <Kilos> system restart needed after that fat upgrade
[04:00] <Kilos> back
[04:33] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[04:33] <barrydk> Morning everyone
[04:34] <Kilos> hi mazal
[04:35] <mazal> Môre oom
[04:42] <Kilos> nice to wake up to rain
[04:42] <Kilos> makes you want to sleep more
[04:55] <barrydk> Much needed
[04:59] <Kilos> yeah
[05:10] <Padroni> mornign
[05:11] <Kilos> hello padr
[05:11] <Kilos> oi
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> hi
[05:18] <Kilos> padowan went away straight away
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> sorry - about to reboot
[05:18] <Kilos> np
[05:18] <Kilos> hehe
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> this kali install screwed up my win7 install
[05:18] <Pad_a_way> busy getting that fixed
[05:19] <Kilos> ai!
[05:19] <Pad_a_way> I keep windows for Adobe Master Suite and one game
[05:19] <Pad_a_way> brb
[05:19] <Kilos> k
[05:41] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[05:41] <mazal> What a mess !!!
[05:41] <Kilos> what?
[05:41] <mazal> inetpro: I signed Code of Conduct
[05:41] <Kilos> well done
[05:42] <mazal> There is no way a normal user will be able to do that
[05:42] <Kilos> no never
[05:42] <mazal> If they want more people to sign that they will have to implement an easier clearer procedure
[05:42] <mazal> I struggled my ^%#%$ off
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:42] <mazal> barry gave it one look and said no way
[05:43] <Kilos> its that gpg key hey
[05:43] <mazal> And so will every normal user
[05:43] <SDCDev> Morning Kilos
[05:44] <mazal> Kilos: The whole process is a mess and confusing , the key , the sending to ubuntu server , the sending to key ring server , the fingerprint register on launchpad , the actual signing
[05:44] <Kilos> and i think from a different pc you have to do it again
[05:44] <mazal> It's crazy !!
[05:44] <mazal> I won't do it again
[05:44] <Kilos> lol
[05:44] <Kilos> then stay on the same pc
[05:44] <Kilos> did you do it on your external?
[05:46] <Kilos> haha
[05:46] <Kilos> imagine how i battled
[05:46] <Kilos> the fly had to help me in the end for this pc and pro helped me when i first signed on my old pc
[05:47] <Kilos> it recognizes the pc i think
[05:48] <Kilos> very serious security job that
[05:55] <mazal> I did the "backup" your keys process , won't I be abled to use that to import my keys in case of re-install ?
[05:56] <Kilos> i have no idea, thats all way above me
[05:58] <Kilos> its very involved, it even told me to open another app so it could complete the key
[06:02] <mazal> Yeah I also had to open apps and type in documents and stuff. But that was the easy part
[06:02] <Kilos> lol
[06:25] <Jacques_Stry> Morning
[06:26] <Kilos> hi Jacques_Stry
[06:26] <Kilos> thatgraemeguy is a guest today
[06:26] <Kilos> hello Guest15282
[06:27] <Jacques_Stry> :)
[06:27] <Guest15282> hrm
[06:28] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy
[06:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> ta
[06:30] <Kilos> mazal  all that effort is mainly for peeps serious about becoming ubuntu members i think but worth it in the long run
[06:30] <Kilos> you get a sjambok
[06:51] <Kilos> hi captine
[06:51] <captine> hi Kilos
[06:52] <captine> i keep getting "input output error" on my xubuntu machine.  cannot open firefox now...
[06:52] <captine> very weird.  keeps telling me /tmp cannot be mounted etc... think something is a bit messed up
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> smells like dying hard disk
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> or bad cable or faulty SATA port
[06:53] <Kilos> eish
[06:53] <Jacques_Stry> ouch
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> 99% bad drive, 0.9% dodgy SATA port, 0.1% bad cable
[06:53] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, i think the hard disk might be busting out... 2008 macbook
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[06:54] <captine> can gparted do a test?
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> back up important stuff as soon as you can, assuming you never back up regularly
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> most people don't until its too late
[06:54] <captine> dont have anything on this laptop
[06:54] <Kilos> captine  le3t me find a way to mark he bad blocks
[06:54] <captine> other than some bazaar stuff.
[06:55] <captine> main machine is a desktop.  just use this for IRC and fiddling.
[06:55] <Kilos> i have to find where i saved the commands
[06:55] <Kilos> fsck marks them and doesnt use them
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> replace the drive
[06:56] <Jacques_Stry> yes - the reason for bad blocks could be damaged head
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> drives are manufactured with spare blocks, and the firmware automatically handles mapping and re-allocation
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> by the time your O/S starts becoming aware of bad blocks, its because the disk has run out of spare blocks
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> backup your data, replace the drive
[06:57] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, thanks.  no cash to replace.  will just use if for irc until it dies
[06:57] <Kilos> ai!
[07:00] <captine> let me be daring and upgrade to 15.04 beta...  nothing to lose really. :)
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> good idea, generate lots of I/O on a failing disk, that'll make it last longer
[07:01] <captine> :)
[07:01] <captine> if not why not
[07:01] <captine> rather it die when expected, and not by "surprise"
[07:01] <Kilos> captine  first find the bad area and dont use it
[07:02] <Kilos> you need to format to ext2 then run gparted and get it to check
[07:03] <Kilos> that marks the bad blocks
[07:03] <Kilos> im still looking for the command to run while in the os
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> caaaaary on
[07:05] <inetpro> ai!
[07:05] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:05] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:05] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: peeps don't want to listen to you?
[07:05] <inetpro> Kilos: please get the sjambok for captine
[07:05] <inetpro> captine: he's right man
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh, he must carry on, I said my 2c
[07:06] <captine> :)
[07:07] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:07] <Kilos> captine  http://slexy.org/view/s20CXqTsmW
[07:07] <Kilos> that will check and tell you if bad blocks is your prob
[07:07] <Kilos> inetpro  he cant replace it atm
[07:08] <Kilos> been there done that
[07:08] <Kilos> i forgot to use the new bin
[07:10] <inetpro> Kilos, captine: what ThatGraemeGuy is saying is, be ready for the big crash
[07:10] <inetpro> it's around the corner
[07:10] <captine> yip
[07:10] <captine> nothing nb on tismachine
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, stop giving false hope
[07:14] <mazal> ish
[07:14] <captine> lol
[07:15] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, love your frankness :)
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> some don't digest it very well :-)
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/some/most :P
[07:15] <mazal> captine: You know drive is failing but don't want to replace it ? I don't understand
[07:16] <mazal> inetpro: You gave me big job this morning :P
[07:16] <captine> mazal, this is an old machine.  i dont have cash now.  second child on the way... just bought a printer, had to replace my entire lawn and waiting for refund from bad lawn company that wrecked my lawn with glass in their topsoil etc
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> drive is failing but Kilos is handing out some mumbo jumbo commands to supposedly rescue it
[07:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is no rescue
[07:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> captine: just sell the first child, you can make another one later again
[07:17]  * ThatGraemeGuy runs away
[07:17] <captine> lol
[07:17] <captine> unlikely to pass wa control
[07:18] <mazal> 3.5" Sata captine ?
[07:18] <Jacques_Stry> 2.5
[07:18] <Jacques_Stry> macbook
[07:18] <captine> 2.5
[07:18] <mazal> From where are you ?
[07:19] <captine> can only take up to 500gig.. apparently.  still have the old 160 gig that i took out, so can alway pop that one back in
[07:19] <captine> mazal, Jhb
[07:19] <mazal> oh ok
[07:19] <captine> I am not stressed. it is not my main machine.  might think about selling it and trying to get a lenova x220 second hand or something... when my ship comes in :)
[07:21] <mazal> If you were closer to me I could have helped with a 250 that I still have that was in my PS3
[07:23] <captine> mazal, thanks for the offer.  Don't stress.
[07:23] <Kilos> lol
[07:23] <captine> will revert to the 160 if/when needed
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> we just threw out dozens of old HDDs the other day
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> I didn't bother taking any because they were all 80GB-500GB
[07:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> here and there a 1TB
[07:24] <captine> i am a hoarder... remember me when throwing the next round out :)
[07:25] <captine> ThatGraemeGuy, where do you work?    I ordered a hdd last year from them, but canceled as they took too long to confirm availability.  fortunately i didnt pay as may have struggled to get cash back
[07:37] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:38] <Kilos> lucky
[07:42] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[07:42] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[07:42] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :)
[07:47] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:53] <clr> clr wondering where Kilos went.  Normally I would get a prompt 'wb clr'
[07:53] <Kilos> here
[07:53] <Kilos> sorry
[07:53] <clr> hehe
[07:53] <Kilos> hi clr
[07:54] <clr> so after the meeting last night I joined the ubuntu-za on launchpad and signed the ubuntu code of conduct
[07:54] <Kilos> well done, big job that
[07:54] <clr> I now have an unsigned  pgp key.  Have you had any keysigning parties or what do you do to help out with that
[07:55] <Kilos> ask inetpro
[07:55] <clr> Ok, inetpro, ^^
[07:55] <inetpro> ai!
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:56] <Kilos> mazal  did it this morning
[07:57] <inetpro> if people see this as such a massive challenge, could someone please put together a simplified step by step documentation for those who haven't done it yet
[07:57]  * inetpro has forgotten about the process long ago
[07:58] <Kilos> big job maybe mazal  wrote it down
[07:59] <inetpro> Kilos: please use the sjambok to assign someone to do it on trello
[07:59] <Kilos> lol
[07:59] <Kilos> clr get trello
[08:00] <clr> intetpro, there is a good howto on ubuntu already.  I'm just saying, I created a pgp key but have not had it signed by anyone. So it is untrusted.  Surely we need to get keys signed to get it trusted
[08:00] <Kilos> you put the key in something and thats your signature if i remember right
[08:00] <clr> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[08:01] <mazal> That's the one I followed ^^
[08:02] <clr> Kilos, I will ge trello, just not now. I am in a meeting :/  Maybe tonight
[08:02] <Kilos> cool
[08:02] <mazal> Problem I found with that one , you don't know up to where is neccesary just for the code of cunduct as that one is a overall gpg one
[08:03] <mazal> Then ran into problems with launchpad and had some seperate steps with launchpad
[08:03] <Kilos> mazal  will you write up a how to for that key thing please
[08:03] <mazal> Then ran into problems again cos there were 1 step missing from the gpg one that wasn't done
[08:04] <clr> I can also help with the how-to
[08:04] <mazal> So my main struggle was that everything is documented somewhere , but not all in one place. I had to jump around to various sources to get 1 job done
[08:05] <mazal> That's just my perspective
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a pgp key listed on my launchpad, but NO idea how I got it there and NO idea what to use it for :-/
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:06] <Kilos> painful experience getting that done
[08:06] <clr> haha ThatGraemeGuy do you still have the private key?
[08:06] <mazal> indeed
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes I made a backup of it
[08:07] <clr> I have a key that is registered on the key server that I can't access cause I lost the private key, so can't even revoke it.  It's going to be stuck there forever
[08:08] <Jacques_Stry> I'm gonna cry or scream - been trying to get a dsl line installed for the last 2 weeks....
[08:08] <clr> eish, mine was up within 2 or three days
[08:09] <Kilos> telkom is very busy you know
[08:09] <Kilos> keeping my connection stable
[08:10] <Jacques_Stry> ATM they tell me that the line needs to verified, so I tried doing it on the site but it's not recognising my order nr. and the tech support line cut out and now i have been holding on for 35 min again...
[08:10] <Kilos> ai!
[08:11] <Jacques_Stry> What's the legal repercussions for burning down our only provider down?
[08:11] <Jacques_Stry> Just asking for in case...
[08:13] <Jacques_Stry> It seems I can't build proper sentences anymore - double down
[08:16] <Jacques_Stry> But lets be positive - So how's the Africa site progressing?
[08:16] <Kilos> ai!
[08:19] <Jacques_Stry> The trello says needs african theme, you guys need art?
[08:20] <Kilos> im not sure what the fly has planned. if you work in the twit branch it should look similar to our site
[08:21] <Kilos> i think
[08:22] <Kilos> maybe a map change or something but its a za initiative so we can be prominent there too
[08:23] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[08:23] <magellanic> heya
[08:25] <clr> Kilos, please paste the link to the trello board
[08:25] <magellanic> doesn't maaz know
[08:25] <magellanic> Maaz: trello?
[08:25] <Maaz> magellanic: What?
[08:26] <magellanic> Maaz: trello link
[08:26] <Maaz> magellanic: Excuse me?
[08:26] <Kilos> sec
[08:26] <Kilos> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:27] <Kilos> ai!
[08:29] <magellanic> Maaz: trello is https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:29] <Maaz> magellanic: I'll remember that
[08:29] <magellanic> Maaz: trello?
[08:29] <Maaz> magellanic: trello is https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:29] <Kilos> haha
[08:29] <Kilos> Maaz  trello link
[08:29] <Maaz> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[08:30] <clr> how do I get access to the board? I already signed up a trello account
[08:30] <Kilos> give pro your user name and he will add you
[08:31] <Kilos> or give it here
[08:31] <Kilos> ill ry add you
[08:31] <Kilos> try as well
[08:32] <Kilos> me needs to fix my keyboard
[08:40] <clr> done thanks
[08:43] <Kilos> welcome to our trello
[08:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:44] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[08:48] <magellanic> you fell for the trello trap huh
[08:48] <magellanic> :p
[08:48] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <Kilos> only you are playing hard to get magellanic
[08:48] <magellanic> lol
[08:49] <magespawn> magellanic: i sorry, not following that
[08:49] <Kilos> but we understand if you think its too difficult for you
[08:49] <mazal> barrydk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Fun_On_Ubuntu
[08:49] <magellanic> fine add me, in read only mode for now :p hirenpatel8 on trello
[08:49] <Kilos> lol
[08:50] <magellanic> oh it's so pretty!
[08:51] <Kilos> are you added?
[08:51] <magellanic> aha
[08:51] <Kilos> add thing closed itself
[08:52]  * magellanic checks out the arrange events card
[09:04] <Kilos> hmm... are we load shedding agin
[09:04] <magellanic> ask maaz
[09:04] <Kilos> lol
[09:05] <magellanic> ;)
[09:05] <Kilos> see what you been missing out on
[09:06] <magellanic> me?
[09:06] <magellanic> oh
[09:06] <magellanic> ya
[09:07] <Kilos> :-D
[09:09] <mazal> Why am I not getting alerts of Kilos's replies on trello on the companies card ?
[09:09] <magellanic> are you assigned on the card?
[09:09] <Kilos> ?
[09:10] <mazal> magellanic: Nope I'm not , if I "subscribe" I will get alerts yes ?
[09:10] <magellanic> yes
[09:10] <Kilos> yes
[09:10] <mazal> Almost missed that response from Kilos there
[09:10] <mazal> I have so many tabs and pages open now I feel surrounded :P
[09:11] <Kilos> lol just like me
[09:12] <magespawn> not working on pages today but on multiple cli
[09:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[09:18] <Kilos> wb Jacques_Stry
[09:18] <Kilos> i thought you were load shed
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> Was disconnected while telkom was working on the line
[09:23] <Jacques_Stry> new dsl line up!
[09:23] <Kilos> yay
[09:23] <Kilos> see 2 weeks wasnt too bad
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> haha but the telephone guys messed up the filter connection on switchboard...
[09:24] <Jacques_Stry> so have to wait for him to come fix
[09:24] <Kilos> ai!
[09:25] <Jacques_Stry> if i had RJ11's on me would have done myself
[09:36] <Kilos> oi
[09:36] <Kilos> bb
[09:37] <Jacques_Clone> My phone - not gonna be in office allot today :-)
[09:37] <Kilos> np
[09:42] <magespawn> gotta go, chat later
[09:58] <Jacques_Clone> Wanted to get a ubuntu mouse - shipping too expensive
[09:58] <Kilos> eish
[09:59] <Jacques_Clone> Ups wil cost 350 without custom taxes.
[10:00] <Jacques_Clone> So mouse will cost R700-750
[10:00] <Kilos> how much does customs add on
[10:01] <Kilos> that ups is cheaper than a ups battery here
[10:04] <Jacques_Clone> Haha customs should be about R80
[10:19] <Kilos> wb Padroni  sorted?
[10:19] <Padroni> hi Kilos
[10:19] <Padroni> Win is still slow but better
[10:19] <Padroni> spend the better part of 1Gb data on update/upgrade Kali
[10:19] <Kilos> what is this kali thing
[10:20] <Padroni> Linux
[10:20] <Padroni> or rather, the pentester / hacker's linux
[10:20] <Kilos> ah
[10:20] <Padroni> it's a linux distro with all the best hacktools built in
[10:20] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:21] <Padroni> https://www.kali.org/
[10:21] <Padroni> go look
[10:21] <Kilos> ok
[10:22] <Padroni> there are other tools as well though
[10:22] <Padroni> not part of kali
[10:22] <Padroni> that I use
[10:22] <Padroni> like a hardware searchengine
[10:22] <Padroni> which returns online devices as results
[10:22] <Padroni> for example
[10:23] <magellanic> are you a security engineer?
[10:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:23] <Padroni> I can search for a specific brand of D-Link router, currently online in South Africa
[10:23] <Padroni> Then I can run login attempts on those till I get access
[10:23] <Kilos> find a 157 and send it here
[10:23] <Padroni> From there...
[10:23] <Padroni> some printers for example
[10:24] <Padroni> store everything scanned on them
[10:24] <Padroni> in memory
[10:24] <Kilos> and you can see that?
[10:24] <Padroni> So I can access that as well by searching for that specific brand of printer
[10:24] <Padroni> yes dude
[10:24] <Kilos> wow
[10:24] <Kilos> im too old to be a dude
[10:24] <Padroni> you know how many security cameras I have dicked around with?
[10:24] <Padroni> pan/zoom and generally just freak the people out?
[10:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:25] <Padroni> I hacked a guy's Teevo last year and copied saved movies from him
[10:25] <Padroni> Some Gordon Ramsey series as well
[10:25] <Kilos> you naughty
[10:25] <Padroni> Teevo is like a PVR thing from the states
[10:25] <Padroni> no
[10:25] <Padroni> I am not
[10:26] <Padroni> I search for online devices
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah it sounds like you pretty much are
[10:26] <Padroni> and use the default login
[10:26] <Padroni> if the default login works
[10:26] <Padroni> i did not break in, I logged in
[10:26] <magellanic> interesting
[10:26] <Padroni> grey area, i know
[10:26] <Padroni> but still
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok if thats how you want to spin it
[10:26] <Padroni> lol
[10:26] <Padroni> I don't hack.  I look.
[10:27] <Kilos> i think you are naughty
[10:27]  * Padroni goes and stands in the corner
[10:27] <Kilos> need some sjambok
[10:27] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <Padroni> let's not get kinky now
[10:27] <Padroni> to early for that
[10:28] <Kilos> see already after a month or two you have mellowed some
[10:28] <Padroni> mellowed some?
[10:28] <Kilos> ya it was you that said you not a people person wasnt it
[10:29] <Padroni> I still am not
[10:29] <Padroni> I am a keyboard person though
[10:29] <Kilos> you will mellow
[10:29] <Kilos> but still find it hard to mix with normal peeps that dont understand your way of thinking
[10:30] <Padroni> yeah - well
[10:30] <Padroni> my job has made me paranoid
[10:30] <Padroni> or rather, the extra-mural clubs I belong to
[10:31] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Padroni> so what is the conclusion of the meeting last night?
[10:35] <Kilos> i think we are all happy with progress made so far this year
[10:35] <Padroni> except that we need another meeting in March?
[10:35] <Padroni> oh ok
[10:36]  * Padroni is reminded that he has yet to contribute anything
[10:36] <mazal> and it was requested that everyone a. Join the launchpad group and b. Sign the code of conduct
[10:36] <Kilos> haha
[10:37] <Padroni> I think I have done both
[10:37] <Padroni> not sure
[10:37] <Kilos> he cant do that and remain anon
[10:37] <Padroni> oh but he can...?
[10:37] <mazal> And a link to the lp group has already been added on the web site (I think)
[10:37] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:38] <Padroni> https://launchpad.net/~localhosthero
[10:38] <Padroni> That's me
[10:38] <mazal> Padroni: you need to join the Ubuntu za group as well
[10:38] <Padroni> link?
[10:38] <mazal> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[10:39] <Padroni> ah wait
[10:39] <Padroni> I need to be in ubuntu for the code of conduct thing
[10:40] <mazal> and people were reminded to fill in their info on the memberlist
[10:40] <mazal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[10:40] <Kilos> hes bang of wiki pages
[10:40] <Padroni> ugh
[10:41] <Padroni> I looked at that wiki
[10:41] <Padroni> I am NOT gonna peck-type my way through that crap
[10:41] <Padroni> one of you will need to volunteer, and I will give the details.
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:41] <Padroni> that is almost as bad as MS Word-generated HTML
[10:41] <Padroni> jeez
[10:42] <mazal> i will help with that
[10:42] <Kilos> wait till youve singned the code of conduct and got a gpg key
[10:42] <Padroni> ok
[10:43] <Kilos> then wikis are a breaze
[10:43] <Kilos> breeze too
[10:46] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd
[10:46] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[10:47] <mazal> Kilos: I will add Padroni once info is received
[10:47] <Kilos> cool
[10:48] <mazal> hi andrewlsd
[10:50] <magellanic> heya andrewlsd
[10:50] <Padroni>  mazal
[10:50] <Padroni> app date?
[10:55] <Kilos> i go lie down a bit, you guys can greet joiners if you please
[10:55] <andrewlsd> Hi Mazal, Magellanic
[11:01] <Padroni> wow
[11:02] <Padroni> helo_name Windows7-PC.www.huaweimobilewifi.com @ <IP_ADDRESS>.telkomadsl.co.za
[11:02] <Padroni> good lord
[11:02] <Padroni> what else do I need to rape this person?
[11:02] <Padroni> this all from a mail header
[11:03] <Padroni> 1. OS 2. Router 3. IP
[11:04] <Jacques_Stry> All of the above :)
[11:05] <Jacques_Stry> mazal: I see you allready added LP to ubuntu-za.org
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy>  you might try some more savory language, this is an official Ubuntu channel after all
[11:42] <Padroni> Noted.
[11:53] <Symmetria> heh
[11:53] <Symmetria> everyone ready for the rand to go to hell? :)
[11:55] <Webtricity> and for taxes to go up
[11:55] <Webtricity> i hope we dont get another ratings downgrade
[11:59] <Padroni> anyone here know about bluray players?
[11:59] <Padroni> I need one that offers network browsing
[12:02] <Symmetria> heh Webtricity honestly? for me living out of the country and being paid in dollars
[12:02] <Symmetria> and with the forex market trades I just made
[12:02] <Symmetria> I have to say, don't shoot me, but I'm hoping the opposite
[12:03] <Symmetria> I just went short on the rand, and *HARD*
[12:03] <andrewlsd> "a blue ray player that offers network browsing" << sounds like a laptop
[12:03] <andrewlsd> :-P
[12:03] <Webtricity> Symmetria, if you are living outside of SA earning USD, then yeah, capitalize on it
[12:04] <Webtricity> For those who for some odd reason still live in SA, well... One day we will wake up
[12:04] <Symmetria> Webtricity heh, well, I short sold a million dollars worth of rand currency in the hope it falls for when I buy back to cover the short
[12:04] <Symmetria> so if the rand tanks 10% I'll make a quick 100 grand
[12:04] <Symmetria> if it rises 10%, its gonna hurt like hell :)
[12:05] <Webtricity> What i'd suggest you do is make a list of upcoming events when Zuma will speak... You can bet that after every speech he makes, the rand will drop
[12:05] <magellanic> lol andrewlsd, indeed
[12:05] <magellanic> heya Symmetria
[12:07] <Kilos> hi Webtricity  welcome to ubuntu-za
[12:07] <Kilos> never seen you before
[12:08] <Webtricity> Hey Kilos
[12:08] <Kilos> maybe i was asleep
[12:08] <Webtricity> I haven't been in here before...
[12:08] <Webtricity> Trying to track down .za IRC, so that brought me here
[12:08] <Kilos> Padroni  is that you?
[12:09] <Padroni> eh?
[12:10] <Kilos> Webtricity  share with us, what do you do and where are you
[12:10] <Kilos> we wlike seeing new faces here
[12:10]  * andrewlsd greets Webtricity
[12:12]  * Padroni waves
[12:19] <Webtricity> *waves*
[12:19] <Webtricity> I work in ICT, currently VoIP
[12:19] <Webtricity> in Jhb
[12:19]  * Padroni pays attention
[12:19] <Kilos> nice
[12:20] <Webtricity> What do you do Kilos?
[12:20] <Kilos> are you looking for a certain .za on irc i only know one
[12:20] <Kilos> i do as little as possible, im kinda retired
[12:20] <Webtricity> Not looking for anything specific, just noticed that IRC in .za is dying down, not many networks left, so trying to figure out where all the people went
[12:21]  * Padroni noticed as well
[12:21] <Padroni> people Whatsapp these days
[12:21] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:21] <Padroni> only us oldschool folks still IRC
[12:21] <Kilos> we went quiet for a wehile too
[12:21] <Kilos> busy reviving now
[12:21] <Padroni> but I guess this means us geeks got IRC back for ourselves?
[12:22] <Webtricity> Well, the .za userbase seems to have assimilated into channels on bigger networks, rather than forming nice .za networks
[12:22] <Symmetria> uhoh he hiked the budget deficit
[12:23] <Webtricity> In the late 90's and early 2000's, I was too young to have access to decent hosting, now I do and there is no big need for it
[12:23] <Kilos> lol
[12:23] <Symmetria> facebook killed the irc star
[12:23] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:23] <Symmetria> actually irc numbers have been declining for years
[12:23] <Symmetria> trust me :) I still run a coupla efnet servers
[12:24] <Kilos> ya blame twitter as well
[12:24] <Padroni> I used to chat on irc.atrum.org
[12:24] <Padroni> years back
[12:25] <Symmetria> lol I was banned from most of the za networks for years
[12:25] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:25] <Webtricity> agreed, but facebook and twitter are where the new blood are going... What happened to the old blood? Folks must still be lurking somewhere
[12:25] <Webtricity> Symmetria... Well...
[12:25] <Symmetria> Webtricity, lol, maybe if I do this it will make more sense
[12:25]  * Vortexia grins
[12:25] <Kilos> hmm... old blood
[12:26] <Symmetria> lol I been on irc now since 1993 ;p
[12:26] <Webtricity> Symmetria, I know you used to go by Vortexia
[12:27] <Webtricity> Thats why I said Well...  Cheers.
[13:17] <Kilos> cheers andrewlsd
[13:17] <Kilos> go well
[13:17] <Webtricity> I drink lots of whiskey
[13:18] <Padroni> I'm out too
[13:19] <Padroni> I might be back later
[13:19]  * Padroni waves
[13:19] <Kilos> go well pad
[13:19] <Kilos> ai!
[14:05] <superfly> good evening
[14:11] <Kilos> hi superfly
[14:11] <Kilos> hi drussell
[14:11] <Kilos> oh my
[14:14] <drussell> yo Kilos
[16:26] <Kilos> hi magellanic
[16:26] <magespawn> good evening
[16:26] <Kilos> ai!
[16:27] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:27] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[16:30] <Kilos> magespawn  go pm man
[16:32] <magespawn> Kilos i am there
[16:44]  * Padroni waves
[16:44] <Kilos> hi Padroni
[16:44] <magespawn> hi Padroni
[16:46] <Padroni> hi magespawn / Kilos
[16:48] <Padroni> One at a time, folks.
[16:48] <Padroni> Don't speak at once...
[16:48] <Kilos> lol
[16:53] <magellanic> hi Padroni
[16:53] <magellanic> I waited
[16:54] <Kilos> oops
[16:54] <Kilos> sorry
[16:55] <Kilos> for years i been typing mag tab now its hard to break the habit
[16:55] <magespawn> how to freak a touch screen phone out, put a small drop of water on the screen
[16:56] <magellanic> eish Kilos I spoilt it hey
[16:56] <Kilos> lol
[16:56] <Kilos> i run on habit and subconscious so please forgive me
[16:57] <magellanic> noted
[16:57] <magellanic> you can't even type mage tab
[16:57] <magellanic> so I'll forgive
[16:57] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Padroni>  working a double again
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <Padroni> hi magellanic
[16:59] <Kilos> sjoe Padroni
[16:59] <Padroni> I am eating in front of my computers again
[16:59] <magespawn> is there anyother way?
[16:59] <Kilos> when you bored go read what i have revived of my blog
[16:59] <Padroni> link?
[17:00] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.blog
[17:00] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.blog is http://mileyssignificantblog.blogspot.com/
[17:04] <Kilos> hi qwebirc71983
[17:07] <qwebirc71983> Hello
[17:07] <qwebirc71983> How goes it?
[17:09] <magespawn> Padroni: how long is a double?
[17:10] <Kilos> qwebirc71983  good ty and you
[17:10] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:11] <Padroni> 18 hours
[17:11] <Padroni> From 08H00 to 02H00
[17:11] <magespawn> that is hectic, what happens after that? time off etc?
[17:11] <qwebirc71983> I am good, been on Ubuntu for a while but had no idea such a chat existed, so you are all in south africa and all run ubuntu or some form of Linux?
[17:11] <Padroni> I get tomorrow off
[17:12] <Padroni> correct, qwebirc71983
[17:12] <Padroni> I have Ubu 14.04 as my desktop OS
[17:12] <magespawn> oh wow, and that is about that?
[17:12] <Padroni> and Kali on my laptop
[17:12] <Padroni> yes
[17:12] <Padroni> once or twice a week, I work a double shift in lieue of the next day off
[17:12] <Padroni> then I get to go do shit in office hours
[17:12] <Kilos> some of us have moved to other countries after jobs qwebirc71983  but most of us here use ubuntu
[17:12] <Padroni> i have two long weekends a month this way
[17:13] <magespawn> i see, flexi time sort of?
[17:13] <Kilos> some of our guys are in silicon valley usa
[17:14] <Kilos> ohers in uk UAE and so on
[17:14] <qwebirc71983> that os great, cool stuff. So what do we discuss etc.....is it striclty ubuntu or anything within reason?
[17:14] <Kilos> nope
[17:15] <Kilos> you start by telling us what you do and where you etc etc
[17:15] <Kilos> we discuss family matters and farming and mechanical and some times just junk
[17:16] <Kilos> pity you werent here last night. we had our monthly meeting
[17:16] <Kilos> if you need help with most things someone should be able to help
[17:16] <magespawn> or at least  pint you in the right direction
[17:17] <magespawn> s/pint/point
[17:17] <qwebirc71983> I am Sys Admin for a company in Florida, Roodepoort. Work mainly on windows but when i get home im too tired for windows so i break out the Fedora or Ubuntu on my laptop.  TELL ME NOW!!!!!
[17:25] <Kilos> nono
[17:26] <Kilos> she is studying and you will distract her
[17:26] <Padroni>  so she is real?
[17:26]  * Padroni stands amazed
[17:26] <Kilos> yes
[17:26] <Padroni> wow
[17:26] <Padroni> who knew?
[17:28] <Kilos> maybe i upset him when i said dudes wear fancy clothes
[17:29] <magespawn> Padroni: stranger than fiction
[17:29] <Padroni> lol
[17:30] <Padroni> that is good though
[17:30] <Padroni> I would not mind having my kids switch to Ubuntu
[17:30]  * Padroni thinks he should maybe just force it onto them...
[17:30] <magespawn> what is holding them back?
[17:31] <Padroni> probably me, to be honest.
[17:31] <Padroni> but they are still learning now
[17:31] <Padroni> they are only 8 and 10 respectively
[17:31] <Padroni> and pretty pc literate for their age
[17:31] <Padroni> better than quite a few of their teachers, anyway
[17:31] <Kilos> they learn so fast
[17:31] <magespawn> mm mine are 8 and 12
[17:32] <Padroni> my boy is 4 months old today
[17:32] <Padroni> #proud
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <magespawn> thats 3
[17:33] <Padroni> yup
[17:33] <Padroni> 3 kids
[17:33] <Padroni> one my own
[17:33] <magespawn> now that is hectic
[17:37] <Padroni> which part?
[17:37] <Padroni> three kids, or that just one is mine?
[17:43] <magespawn> both
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:45] <Kilos> magespawn  maybe he saw we got trello and was scared hed get roped in
[17:46] <magespawn> yup maybe
[17:56] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[17:56] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[17:56] <Kilos> hi Tonberry_
[18:00]  * mazal peaks in quickly
[18:00] <Kilos> naand mazal
[18:00] <Kilos> why quickly
[18:00] <mazal> On my way to go rest
[18:00] <Kilos> ah
[18:00] <mazal> Gaming done , resting time :P
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <mazal> Padroni, I didn't receive anything , so I just added what I know
[18:01] <mazal> Kilos, yeah was some racing tonight , now I'm moeg
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:02]  * mazal goes for long bath
[18:03] <Padroni> odd
[18:03] <Padroni> I sent the mail
[18:03] <Padroni> or rather, Outlook.com did - eventually
[18:12] <Padroni> anyone got Android or iPhone
[18:12] <Padroni> then get the game Duet
[18:12] <Padroni> it's insane
[18:12] <Padroni> and the soundtrack is awesome
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Padroni> try it
[18:14] <Kilos> not me man
[18:14] <Kilos> at times freecell is too fast for me
[18:16] <Padroni> no man
[18:16] <Padroni> seriaaz?
[18:16] <Padroni> I am addicted to Warthunder
[18:16] <Padroni> if you are into WWII era planes and tanks
[18:16] <Padroni> you should get that game
[18:16] <Padroni> it's INSANE
[18:17] <Padroni> and the graphics is awesome
[18:17] <Padroni> WWII war game, with classical music as soundtrack
[18:17] <Padroni> sounds dumb - but it WORKS.
[18:17] <Kilos> oh i like war games
[18:18] <Kilos> only played 2
[18:18] <Kilos> red alert1 and AOE2
[18:18] <Kilos> then pc was too slow to go further
[18:18] <Padroni> your current pc?
[18:18] <Kilos> nope
[18:19] <Padroni> oh
[18:19] <Padroni> AOE is good
[18:19] <Kilos> this one is for linux
[18:19] <Padroni> I liked it
[18:19] <Padroni> specs?
[18:19] <Kilos> 3g dual core 4g ddr3
[18:19] <Padroni> ah ok
[18:19] <Padroni> graphics card?
[18:20] <Kilos> nvidia 210 i think
[18:20] <Kilos> bottom of the range
[18:20] <Padroni> nah that is fine
[18:20] <Padroni> you can play warthunder
[18:20] <Padroni> www.warthunder.com
[18:20] <Padroni> big download
[18:20] <Padroni> WORTH IT
[18:20] <Kilos> how big?
[18:20] <Padroni> you can add me and I will buddy up with you
[18:20] <Padroni> 9Gb
[18:20] <Kilos> wow
[18:21] <Kilos> n o man i go 2 months on an 8ta 2 + 1
[18:21] <magespawn> a little more than most people have on mobile data in one month
[18:21] <Padroni> eish...
[18:21] <Padroni> i forget you guys use mobile data
[18:21] <Kilos> lol
[18:21] <Padroni> I average 300-340GB / month
[18:21] <Kilos> wow
[18:21] <Padroni> i do 5Gb before lunch
[18:22] <Kilos> doing what?
[18:22] <Padroni> work
[18:22] <Padroni> I manage a datacentre's worth of servers
[18:22] <Kilos> ah
[18:22] <Padroni> That includes downloads though
[18:23] <Padroni> but I do not download every day
[18:23] <Padroni> in fact, I download very little for someone with uncapped
[18:24] <magespawn> this month the company is edging towards 479 Gb, first month on a capped account so i am bit nervous
[18:24] <Kilos> whew
[18:24] <magellanic> cap of how much?
[18:24] <magespawn> 479 Gb
[18:25] <magespawn> at about 92% so far
[18:25] <magellanic> are you monitoring what is using up the data though
[18:26] <magespawn> not strictly, we also provide all the guests in the hotels with wifi
[18:27] <magellanic> oh okay
[18:27] <magellanic> would be interesting to see
[18:27] <magespawn> and the bosses two houses etc
[18:27] <magespawn> very spread out geographically
[18:28] <magespawn> you get the odd person who uses a lot of video type stuff like youtube, but by far the most is system updates
[18:29] <magellanic> good reason to proxy them I guess
[18:30] <Padroni> if you have mostly the same OS, I would create a update server
[18:31] <Padroni> where all machines requests updates from one specific machine in the network
[18:31] <Padroni> one updates, the rest update from there
[18:31] <Padroni> not always possible though
[18:32] <magespawn> i can do that for each property which will cut down on that traffic, they company machines all run the same os and antivirus
[18:32] <Padroni> there ya go then
[18:32] <Padroni> at least you update your machines
[18:32] <Padroni> most places don't
[18:33] <magespawn> when if comes to downloads though the ones that always sneek up on me are the guests phones, they all see to update when on wifi
[18:34] <magellanic> yeah, I've seen places block google play store etc
[18:35] <Padroni> I have noticed that as well
[18:35] <Padroni> people update the shit out of their stuff when on free wifi
[18:35] <Padroni> it's odd
[18:48] <Padroni> I am off
[18:48] <Padroni> later folks.
[18:58] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:01] <inetpro> mazal: playing lekker with the wiki :-)
[19:01] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <magespawn> i inetpro
[19:04] <magespawn> hi too
[19:18] <magellanic> heya inetpro
[19:19]  * mazal is off to bed
[19:19] <inetpro> thanks for the efforts mazal
[19:20] <mazal> That's why I learned , so that I can help ;) is plz inetpro
[19:20] <mazal> Sleep well everyone , God bless
[19:21] <mazal> Night
[19:21] <magellanic> later Maaz
[19:21] <magellanic> mazal even
[19:23] <qwebirc85984> my internet went drunk for a minute, what did i miss?
[19:25] <magellanic> nothing hey


[08:13] <RAOF> Today:
[08:13] <RAOF> * A review of Sophie's [local coördinates PR](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2785)
[08:13] <RAOF> * A [surprisingly small fix for the input device problem](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2924) (with a commit message larger than the diff)
[08:13] <RAOF>   - There's additionally a tiny follow-up cleanup here I can do, to stop producing some warning messages
[16:18] <Saviq> Today:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/126e17657bbd9f4cfce8c2cfa29313bfd8de8e5f>)


[00:33] <Saviq> robru, which is why I proposed to do it after the lander's say so, however limited britney's resources are, I'm sure landers' resources are equally important enough for the two to wotk in parallel ;)


[00:01] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: I explained that I want to make sure the package is up to date and that I also (as part of that process) wanted to discover how it was installed to begin with - since knowing how it was installed may tie into how to make sure it is  updated and how to do so if needed
[00:01] <blahboybaz> not just docekr but everything docker (engine, plugins if any, compose, etc) - everything minus desktop
[00:02] <blahboybaz> I'll figure it out.. its fine. I jsut thought it would be nice to do together with someon
[00:03] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: apt-cache policy docker-ce # should give you an idea of how it was installed. But like I said, docker-ce and the associated packages you installed from the 3rd party repo are not officially supported here. And to your previous point, there's no way docker or it's support channels are going to tell you they don't support docker on ubuntu
[00:03] <blahboybaz> I can always do stuff on my own and figure it out eventually but that just sucks
[00:04] <blahboybaz> have a good one
[00:04] <blahboybaz> real appreciate your help
[00:04] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: if you need support, I would suggest removing the 3rd party repo and the associated packages and install docker-io from the .......  nevermind
[00:06] <ravage> yeah. solve problems alone. really inconvenient.
[00:07] <leftyfb> I don't understand the resentment for not wanting to support every piece of software on the planet that runs on linux. It's like calling Microsoft when Adobe Acrobat has an issue.
[00:11] <ravage> Who has expressed resentment about that?
[00:38] <jonez> if I put a problem package on hold, will that prevent it from being run during do-release-upgrade?
[00:43] <jonez> I answered my own question.. do-release-upgrade will complain about packages on hold
[00:55] <leftyfb> jonez: if the package is from a 3rd party repo, remove it and reinstall it later
[00:56] <leftyfb> jonez: or even if it's an official package, just remove it and reinstall it later. usrmerge isn't installed by default so it won't affect the upgrade
[00:59] <matrixy> when 24.04 comes can i upgrade 22.04 to it without reinstalling?
[01:00] <rbox> matrixy: yes
[01:00] <matrixy> ok thanks
[01:07] <arraybolt3> matrixy: As a general rule it's always a good idea to back up your data before attempting an upgrade, just in case anything goes wrong. but yes, Ubuntu is designed to let you upgrade to a newer release (either to the next release, or a jump to the next LTS release if you're on an LTS already) without requiring a total reinstall.
[01:15] <matrixy> k. yeah i have my programs and music on flash drives
[01:17] <matrixy> can ubuntu play dvds or do i need vlc
[01:18] <rbox> vlc is in ubuntu...
[01:18] <ravage> matrixy: https://itsfoss.com/play-dvd-ubuntu-1310/
[01:20] <ravage> so it can pla DVDs of course. just not encrypted DVDs by default
[01:20] <matrixy> ok thanks
[01:23] <jonez> greetings. is the EOL date for 20.04 really 2030? That was a google result, I wanted to confirm
[01:24] <ravage> jonez: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[01:24] <jonez> leftyfb, it became 'default' in 19.x+
[01:25] <jonez> I found a link that pins the priority to -4242, and I was able to upgrade to 20.04
[01:25] <ravage> jonez: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for the detailed list
[01:26] <leftyfb> jonez: neither ubuntu desktop or server 22.04 nor desktop nor server 20.04 has usrmerge installed by default
[01:27] <jonez> if I read that graph right, 20.04 is supported until ~2024
[01:27] <jonez> err.. 2025
[01:27] <leftyfb> yes
[01:27] <jonez> it was installed on my 18.04 instance
[01:28] <ravage> Without ESM that is correct
[01:28] <jonez> cool. ty :)
[01:30] <leftyfb> jonez: I stand corrected. I guess some part of my process removes that package somehow
[01:30] <leftyfb> or maybe it gets removed after the install?
[01:30] <leftyfb> none of my desktops or servers have it installed
[01:30] <jonez> not sure, but it caused me a lot of grief
[01:31] <leftyfb> remove it, it won't cause any problems removing it
[01:31] <jonez> I pinned it really low
[01:31] <jonez> and since 20.04 has some life left, I won't go for 22
[01:53] <WJC42> my irc client disconnected fora while so I'm not sure if anyone responded. a couple hours ago...
[01:53] <WJC42> How do I hot-plug SATA drives? I am using Kubuntu 22.04. I run sudo dmesg -w and it does give me a notification when I plug in the drive, but I don't see it show up  when I sudo fdisk -l nor do I see it in the list of devices inside KDE partition manager.
[01:53] <rbox> what notification
[01:54] <WJC42> when I plug in the SATA drive, then dmesg reflects that. Hang on I will plug one in and copy/paste it here.
[01:56] <WJC42> ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[01:56] <WJC42> ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133  <---- those 2 lines are what it put just now when I plugged in a drive. But it does not show up in sudo fdisk -l or the GUI KDE Partition mananger
[01:57] <rbox> thats just saying the sata controller sees s omething happened
[01:57] <rbox> but its not saying a drive was there
[01:58] <WJC42> Yes, that's my point is that DMESG knows something happened, but I can't mount, create patitions, format etc the drive. I'm pretty sure it works if I reboot the entire machine, then I can do those things but I 'm trying to do this without rebooting (hot swap / hot plug / whatever)
[01:58] <rbox> its the controller
[01:58] <rbox> not dmesg
[02:27] <jhutchins> WJC42: You probably need to re-scan the SCSI bus.
[02:27] <jhutchins> WJC42: What actually happens when you hot plug a SATA device depends a lot on the controller (motherboard) hardware.
[02:29] <jhutchins> WJC42: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/rescan-scsi-bus.8.html
[02:29] <jhutchins> WJC42: Probably needs to be installed.
[02:58] <pa2> Anyone have success getting audio to work on Acer Chromebook C-710 (Slackware 15.0)
[02:59] <pa2> ...Or Ubuntu?
[03:25] <WJC42> jhutchins: I will give that a try. I have no idea if that will melt my drives so running a system backup then will do it, LOL
[03:46] <WJC42> jhutchins: SUCCESS! Thanks!
[04:37] <CeeClear> Ollo. Looking for assistance with a bug that prevents optic drive from burning DVD/CDs
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> you got a bug ID CeeClear ?
[04:44] <CeeClear> give me  a sec
[04:46] <CeeClear> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/1964554
[04:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1964554 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero does not burn ISO IMAGE. Error message;  'SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 'Illegal request'" [Undecided, New]
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> tnx CeeClear , so whats the assistance you need exactly on this bug?
[04:49] <CeeClear> So I just installed a new Drive. Also updated my OS hoping this would solve the issue. and While Everything else works ok with the new drive I still get the same error message when I try to burn a file.
[04:50] <rbox> i didnt know peple still wrote optical media
[04:50] <CeeClear> you do now
[04:51] <matrixy> theres xfburn and k3b
[04:51] <matrixy> try those
[04:52] <CeeClear> Tried k3b. Similar error message. Also when I had the initial problem tried Nero, Also got a similar error message
[04:53] <matrixy> whats the error message
[04:53] <matrixy> oh sry
[04:54] <CeeClear> Session error : SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 "Illegal request", ASC 21 ASCQ 04. (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2856)
[04:55] <rbox> sounds like a hardware issue
[04:56] <CeeClear> Same Error message with two different drives. Plus everything else works fine wit the drive till I try to burn something
[04:57] <CeeClear> is there a specific hardware issue that would cause it to act like that ?
[08:34] <procla39> Anyone maintainning a package on the official Ubuntu repository or another distrib? (game or app)
[08:35] <procla39> wanted to ask questions about the packaging / maintain process etc.
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> procla39: maybe something for the #ubuntu-devel channel
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> procla39: or if you elaborate the specifics, someone might point you the the right direction here aswell
[08:50] <Guest64> hi all anyone want to learn Computer Science together , since United Nations not welcome here , want to join me at http://worldhacker.org is just a discord server ... . see ya there ... .
[08:50] <rohdef> how do I get from  a device LUN to actually a device name such as sdb? So far the best I've found is based on `sg_map -x | awk`, but that seems rather hacky and clunky. It's there an easier and more robust way to go from `lun=20` to `sdb`?
[08:55] <Habbie> rohdef, anything interesting in the subdirs of /dev/disk ?
[08:57] <Fudge>  /ignore #ubuntu  joins parts quits modes
[08:58] <Fudge> hii all
[08:58] <Fudge> Proxysna:  what were you wanting to know
[08:59] <Fudge> maintainers are listed in changelogs
[09:01] <rohdef> Habbie from what I navigated so far it seems to be way to roundabout:/  the "cleanest" way I've found so far is `sg_map -x | awk '{if ($5==20) print $7 }'` then I "just" need to strip the `/dev/` away from `/dev/sdb` so I only get `sdb`, but still seems a bit "hacky" and I'm thinking there should be a tool or something that can output more
[09:01] <rohdef> reliably structured data, such as json. I don't really want to rely on "column 5 is LUN and column 7 is device path"
[09:01] <Habbie> well, any idea where sg_map gets its data?
[09:02] <rohdef> Habbie probably from the devices in `/proc/scsi/sg`
[09:04] <rohdef> in this day and age it would of course be nicest with a json output and then just use `jq` to query and select what I need. But since we're dealing with older tools, I suspect that is wishful thinking
[09:05] <rohdef> Habbie of course I can also hope this spec won't change in a breaking way: https://linux.die.net/man/8/sg_map as least it is well defined
[09:06] <Habbie> rohdef, it definitely won't change within an ubuntu release
[09:07] <rohdef> Habbie that is very true, I just also want it robust in the long term - if reasonably possible. But of course, if I'm to write all sorts of data parsing and mapping it's probably not worth the effort ;)
[09:08] <Habbie> long term you could also consider sending patches for JSON output
[11:54] <Guest64> hi all
[11:55] <oerheks> Happy St Patrick’s Day 🐍
[12:20] <Guest64> of course the only answer is Glory to The Most High in THE HIGHEST ... . for nothing can be coded other than through the Father The Son and The Holy Spirit which is Lord Jesus Christ Himself ... .
[12:22] <oerheks> !ot > guest64
[12:23] <Guest64> yeah i just have burning question
[12:23] <Guest64> who code linux
[12:23] <oerheks> keep your trolling in #linux, thanks
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:40] <Guest64> hi blueskaj
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hi Guest64
[12:41] <akossh> Guest64: a lot of people code linux, including developers from big companies, universities, researchers, hobbists
[12:42] <Guest64> how akossh ?
[12:42] <akossh> I am not sure about the review process, but I believe, Linus Torvalds has a big role in the reviews
[12:42] <Guest64> if they code why there is no other architecture
[12:43] <Guest64> i mean
[12:43] <Guest64> how from electricity to code
[12:43] <akossh> linux is available on many architectures.
[12:43] <Guest64> even architecture
[12:43] <Guest64> why can't it be one
[12:43] <Guest64> other than making alot ?
[12:43] <akossh> x86, arm, mips, ppc, risc-v
[12:43] <Guest64> i know akossh
[12:43] <leftyfb> Guest64: take it elsewhere. This isn't the place for your trolling
[12:44] <akossh> ah, you mean linux distributions when saying linux
[12:44] <oerheks> you seem to know the answer to your own questions, Guest64
[12:44] <oerheks> Guest64, this is technical support, try #ubuntu-discuss
[12:44] <Guest64> if i know i won't ask isn't it
[12:44] <akossh> Or you are interested about the architectures?
[12:44] <Guest64> is just my burning question
[12:44] <Guest64> how ?
[12:45] <Guest64> from the bios they code
[12:45] <Guest64> who originally code that bios
[12:45] <Guest64> when i start my computer
[12:45] <Guest64> the screen already link to electricity
[12:45] <Guest64> how than can i control picture
[12:45] <oerheks> ...
[12:46] <akossh> Guest64: How the BIOS controls the, or how you can control via the BIOS?
[12:47]  * Guest64 tada i am just skraito trying to say Glory to Lord Jesus Christ in The Highest go King proclaim yourself in the Highest : if you want to discuss http://woldhacker.org : since everyone don't like me here
[12:47] <Guest64> tada i am just skraito trying to say Glory to Lord Jesus Christ in The Highest go King proclaim yourself in the Highest : if you want to discuss http://woldhacker.org : since everyone don't like me here
[12:47] <CodeMouse92> Please, don't bring Him into it.   Does this indicate a problem?
[13:08] <Floating4> or otherwise, am I trying to edit this incorrectly?
[13:11] <Floating4> *sorry /etc/network/interfaces
[13:13] <Jeremy31> Floating4: What are you trying to do?
[13:14] <Floating4> Trying to get a VM up and running as a router, but I need a network bridge. There is a problem with NetworkManager, and I need to use /network/interfaces
[13:14] <Floating4> this is confusing, dont these 2 conflict?
[13:17] <Jeremy31> Floating4: Is the VM bridge there?  Anything in terminal for>  ifconfig
[13:26] <oerheks> !netplan
[13:41] <Floating4> Jeremy31 yes, the bridge is there
[13:41] <Floating4> but it was created with NetworkManager
[13:42] <Jeremy31> Floating4: URL from terminal for>  inxi -Nxxxc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:42] <Floating4> ubottu - is it fair to say that/network/interfaces is the core network config tool and that NetworkManager is a derivative?  This is confusing.
[13:43] <Jeremy31> Floating4: that is a bot
[13:43] <leftyfb> Floating4: if you're using NM, then you don't touch config files
[13:43] <Floating4> oh
[13:43] <leftyfb> Floating4: use LXD like I told you originally
[13:44] <Floating4> I was reading on it, but my problem is a precursor to LXD
[13:44] <leftyfb> Floating4: doubt it
[13:44] <leftyfb> Floating4: you problem was KVM not seeing the bridge. LXD will
[13:45] <Floating4> Hmmm, if u put it that way...
[13:45] <Floating4> what is the easiest way to get a hello world demo of LXD up?
[13:46] <leftyfb> Floating4: I have you the command yesterday
[13:46] <leftyfb> pfSenseHelp: sudo snap install lxd && sudo lxd init && lxc launch ubuntu:22.04 my-pfsense-server
[13:46] <leftyfb> Floating4: ^
[13:47] <leftyfb> Floating4: https://blog.simos.info/how-to-make-your-lxd-containers-get-ip-addresses-from-your-lan-using-a-bridge/
[13:48] <leftyfb> you'll want to create a new profile that uses your existing bridge and then change your container to use that profile. Then reboot the container
[13:54] <Floating4> thanks letfyb let me work thru this and see if I can get something running to prove the bridge shows up in the vm now
[13:56] <Dev-0x> hi el
[13:56] <Dev-0x> i have something to say to you
[13:56] <Dev-0x> mind private message
[15:47] <Hack5190> Q: if i do nslookup from the command line should the 'server' match the DNS entries set in the NIC configuration?
[15:52] <Hack5190> odd because "systemd-resolve --status | grep 'DNS Servers' -A2" returns the 2 DNS servers set in the NIC configuration.  Yet nslookup is returning the loopback address ......
[15:57] <tepperson> i did an apt upgrade on my computer and now it only boots to console. where do i start?
[16:01] <tepperson> oh it seems that ubuntu-desktop got removed when i installed gcc:i386. weird
[16:03] <leftyfb> Hack5190: right, which points to your local systemd-resolve caching resolver
[16:04] <Hack5190> makes sense - thanks leftyfb
[16:26] <code105> Hello
[16:26] <code105> i need a help
[16:26] <oerheks> ask, wait and see
[16:26] <leftyfb> !ask | code105
[16:27] <code105>   The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4EDE055B645F044F
[16:27] <code105> When running sudo apt-get update
[16:27] <oerheks> from what repo?
[16:28] <leftyfb> proton
[16:28] <leftyfb> code105: gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv 4EDE055B645F044F ; gpg --export --armor 4EDE055B645F044F  | sudo apt-key add -
[16:28] <code105> i removed proton
[16:28] <leftyfb> code105: the repo is still there
[16:28] <code105> so how can i remove this repo?
[16:29] <leftyfb> code105: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:29] <code105> Thank you so much guys
[16:32] <code105> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:32] <code105> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 36173 (apt)
[16:32] <code105> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[16:32] <leftyfb> !paste | code105
[16:32] <leftyfb> code105: you probably have unattended upgrades running in the background
[16:33] <code105> Love you guys thanks for helping
[16:43] <tomreyn> lsrtl / lsrtl_ / lsrtl__ : please fix your client, thanks.
[16:53] <Guest96> Given the long term nature of ubuntu LTS, there's bound to be packages that aren't developed anymore upstream like python2. Is there a program or bash script that can let me know if a package is essentially a potential security issue?
[16:54] <tomreyn> Guest96: it will still receive security updates, or be removed.
[16:55] <leftyfb> Guest96: if you're on a supported LTS, you should be good to go
[16:55] <tomreyn> Guest96: you can follow https://usn.ubuntu.com for details on security handling on packages, and you should read release notes and package changelogs.
[16:56] <Guest96> I thought canonical didn't really touch the universe repo and left that to the community to be their problem?
[16:57] <leftyfb> Guest96: that's what ESM/Pro is for
[16:57] <tomreyn> Canonical doesn't guarantee to provide any level of security support for packages in universe outside of Ubuntu Pro
[16:57] <tomreyn> (this does not mean there occasionally can be some)
[16:57] <tomreyn> *can't
[16:58] <Guest96> If I'm not paying (right now) for ubuntu pro, am I shooting myself in the foot using 20.04 or 22.04?
[16:58] <leftyfb> Guest96: I would go with 22.04. That said, on an individual bases, you can add pro to 5 machines for free
[16:59] <tomreyn> * for non-comercial use
[17:07] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: Commercial use is permitted.
[17:07] <arraybolt3> There's nothing in the license terms that prohibits it, and ads for it specifically mention small-scale commercial use.
[17:12] <arraybolt3> See https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-pro-beta-release and https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-pro/personal
[17:13] <oerheks>  python2 is dead
[17:19] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: thanks!
[17:20] <tomreyn> i guess i was misinterpreting the term "personal" as "not commercial", maybe that's an uncommon interpretation?
[17:21] <arraybolt3> Meh, most companies that have a "personal version" of something *do* prohibit commercial use. I guess Canonical is different.
[17:49] <Betonhaus> hello quick question, is it possible to use chroot instead of schroot? and if not what do I need to change to make this command work: chroot "$LFS" /usr/bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='(lfs chroot) \u:\w\$ ' PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin /bin/bash --login
[18:11] <hans_> sigh, in Ubuntu 18.04 (or was it 20.04) the network interface name was `ens1f0` - somehow in 22.04 it has a different name. any idea how to convert the name "ens1f0" to ubuntu 22.04 network interface naming scheme?
[18:20] <hans_> hmm no seems its still ens1f0 in 22.04 as well, my bad
[18:24] <p9> when I run systemctl as root the pager output is broken: instead of colors terminal escape sequences are displayed. I can fix it by typing "-r" so it looks systemctl forgets to add this option?
[18:24] <Roey> hello.  Does this involve Snap?? Hello, my system is running Kubuntu 22.10.  I just ran apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade; for some reason, Firefox appears to load but won't open.. I found something about this from last year, but it doesn't help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1410896/firefox-wont-open-ubuntu-22-04
[18:25] <Roey> arraybolt3: hi o/
[18:39] <prabhakarlad> Hi all, I am looking for Linux source used in 22.04 release. could anyone point me to the repo please.
[18:40] <prabhakarlad> I searched in https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ but could find jammy jellyfish repo, there is jammy repo but it looks like it was modified last year.
[18:40] <leftyfb> prabhakarlad: sudo apt source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[18:42] <prabhakarlad> leftyfb: I plan to build image for arm64 and I dont have installation ready yet.
[18:43] <leftyfb> prabhakarlad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+package/linux-image-generic
[18:48] <rfm> prabhakarlad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/SourceCode gives some hints on how to obtain it with git
[18:49] <prabhakarlad> leftyfb: thanks for the link.
[18:50] <prabhakarlad> rfm: i did follow that link but couldn't find the source 22.04 release.
[18:57] <rfm> prabhakarlad. I just started git clone git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/jammy  and it seems to be chugging right along
[19:10] <rfm> prabhakarlad, and it's now completed and does seem to have gotten me a kernel source tree...
[19:34] <penguin__> hey guys , i am making a shell script for package manager in cli. please feel free to contribute : https://github.com/saqibmir1/packmaster
[19:36] <hans_> what url should i use? https://i.imgur.com/58njp2Q.png
[19:38] <hans_> .. probably https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:38] <hans_> (22.04.2)
[19:46] <eawfaw> My ubuntu usually runs into issues, and apps or the whole thing hangs, or crashes... This is the top command while one of those freezes happens: Any ideas what might be happening? https://pasteboard.co/GKgtDbsD2x8d.png
[19:46] <Habbie> eawfaw, you are running out of swap because you are running out of memory
[19:52] <aphido66> Try to check the sys logs also. and background process that uses CPU, you have lot of things going on it seems?
[19:52] <eawfaw> no, only firefox with a bunch of tabs
[19:53] <eawfaw> Habbie: How much memory and swap should I give Ubuntu to avoid this issue? I do like opening several websites at the same time
[19:53] <Habbie> i cannot give you numbers; but clearly you need more
[19:55] <eawfaw> does 16 GB RAM and 32 GB swap sound reasonable?
[19:56] <hans_> eawfaw: >Here's the legend: at a computer trade show in 1981, Bill Gates supposedly uttered this statement, in defense of the just-introduced IBM PC's 640KB usable RAM limit: "640K ought to be enough for anybody."
[19:56] <Habbie> i would likely not put 32 GB swap in a machine
[19:56] <BarnabasDK> eawfaw, with that configuration you definately have enough virtual mem
[19:56] <BarnabasDK> question is - do you really need that much
[19:56] <eawfaw> Habbie: Why wouldn't you put 32 GB swap?
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> eawfaw, size of disk?
[19:57] <Habbie> eawfaw, because swap is slow and if my system is putting 32 GB in there, nothing will be fun
[19:57] <UnivrslSuprBox> I see that USN-5855-2 was issued for ImageMagick to LTS, not ESM. Is USN-5736-2 included in that release? Is the Security team preparing two different releases of packages for Pro and non-Pro customers now?
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> also type of tisk
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> disk
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> some disk types are not suited for swap space usage
[19:58] <BarnabasDK> per their nature
[19:58] <eawfaw> This is an SSD
[19:59] <BarnabasDK> some expensive ssds can take an incredible amount of writes - some user electronic levels cannot
[19:59] <BarnabasDK> so what is "ssd"
[20:00] <eawfaw> Solid State Disk?
[20:00] <arraybolt3> UnivrslSuprBox: There were some ImageMagick updates released recently that are just normal updates, not Ubuntu Pro updates.
[20:00] <ruser> there used to be  a "rule" swap =2x ram does it still hold?
[20:00] <arraybolt3> ruser: Not really.
[20:00] <ruser> arraybolt3: care to elaborate? i've been out of touch for a little bit
[20:01] <BarnabasDK> eawfaw, ssd is the interface to your disk, not the technology it uses to store data
[20:01] <arraybolt3> I don't understand why the rule used to exist before, but modern Linux distros generally only make a very small swapfile at install time (between 512 MB to 2 GB in my experience).
[20:01] <arraybolt3> ruser: ^
[20:01] <eawfaw> is there some automatic built in way of knowing when I'm running out of RAM or swap? I'm okay with a message saying: You cannot open more tabs because you run out of memory...  If I need extra RAM, I use RAM compression.
[20:02] <UnivrslSuprBox> arraybolt3: Do you have access to the ESM repository? Was another src:imagemagick released there to sync up with the normal Universe?
[20:03] <arraybolt3> UnivrslSuprBox: I *can* access the ESM repos but I haven't enabled Ubuntu Pro on any of my systems since I don't care for it.
[20:03] <arraybolt3> Anyone who enabled Ubuntu Pro can look through the ESM repos all they want, and can even pull the source code for the packages if they want to.
[20:04] <arraybolt3> UnivrslSuprBox: Ubuntu Pro isn't supported here as it is a proprietary service by Canonical that the Ubuntu Community can't control. So you'd probably need to ask someone at Canonical that question.
[20:04] <UnivrslSuprBox> Right, I'm just wondering how the mechanics of all this are working. I didn't expect the security team to maintain ESM as a derivative of Ubuntu during the LTS period.
[20:04] <UnivrslSuprBox> With needing to sync Universe into ESM and all that
[20:04] <ruser> arraybolt3: hmm, i thought swap compressors are ways of the past.  especially on linux, interesting.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> Yeah I don't know how all the mechanics work either. The Ubuntu devs are just doing things as they always have, however Canonical chooses to deal with that is up to them.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> ruser: It works really well, I have a guide I wrote on how to do it.
[20:05] <ruser> arraybolt3: link?
[20:05] <arraybolt3> ruser: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/enabling-ram-compression-on-lubuntu/3323
[20:05] <arraybolt3> This is for Lubuntu, but with some tweaking it should work on other Ubuntu flavors too.
[20:06] <ruser> arraybolt3: also, while we are on the topic, are OOEM killers still a thing?
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Older versions of Ubuntu relied on the kernel OOM killer which hardly worked. Newer ones use system-oomd, which kicks in sooner and works better.
[20:08] <ruser> arraybolt3: cool. reading your post shouldn't this say:  at expense of cpu and and seek/marshalling time? "ssentially giving your system extra RAM at the expense of some CPU power, and enabling you to do tasks that wouldn’t usually be possible with a low-RAM system."
[20:08] <ruser> seek is probably not applicable since no longer spinning platters
[20:09] <arraybolt3> I mean, it's all in RAM now.
[20:09] <arraybolt3> The compressed RAMdisk is stored in RAM.
[20:09] <ruser> oh, i think i was also misreading, my bad
[20:09] <arraybolt3> It's basically swapping from RAM to RAM but compressing when it does so.
[20:10] <eawfaw> BarnabasDK: I thought SSD was the technology and nvme or SATA or PCI-e the interface...
[20:12] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1454409/where-do-i-get-the-source-for-esm-packages
[20:12] <oerheks> UnivrslSuprBox, ^^^
[20:12] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thanks, oerheks. Guess I should confirm before assuming, but anything but my assumption seems odd.
[20:12] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thanks arraybolt3 too
[20:27] <jhutchins> I think a 50% increase in RAM from compression is terribly optimistic.  I think you'd see more like 10%-20%
[20:29] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: You'd be surprised.
[20:29] <arraybolt3> I've done this in production, and it is amazingly good.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> Keep in mind that RAM is usually fully uncompressed data since it's what programs are actively using in their work.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> So it compresses rather well.
[20:31] <topcat001> zram at most times does much better than 2:1 for me, currently I'm getting almost 4:1
[20:48] <prabhakarlad> rfm: thanks, ill give that a shot.
[20:51] <Guest35> hey, could you please help me with mounting NFS ?
[20:53] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running? what have you tried, what was the expected outcome, what was the actual outcome?
[20:54] <Guest35> I'm trying to run it via SSH tunnel. I have two Ubuntu machines: A and B. A has access to some internal NFS, while B does not have
[20:55] <Guest35> I set up SOCKS proxy to machine A
[20:55] <Guest35> then I used proxychains nfs-ls -D nfs://internal_nfs
[20:55] <Guest35> it returned list of export
[20:55] <Guest35> however, when I tried to mount it, I I got timeout
[20:59] <mybalzitch> not sure, did you try specifying TCP when mounting via nfs?
[20:59] <Guest35> yup
[21:03] <octav1a> There's a weird thing, usually in X terminals, if I scroll up, it will scroll through the back buffer. However, after some unknown event happens, scrolling up will instead act like pressing the up arrow, scrolling back through commands. I usually want the former behavior. The only way I can see to get it back is to close the terminal and open another. Is there any quick reset command or something I can do to stop this random switch from
[21:03] <octav1a> happening?
[21:05] <tomreyn> "reset"
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> Hello
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> i'm looking for girl
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> to make conversation
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> i'm male
[21:25] <Habbie> aleksandar1047, you're in the wrong place
[21:26] <tomreyn> !#ubuntu | aleksandar1047
[21:27] <jhutchins> Oh come on.
[22:04] <bray90820> maybe not the right place for this but no matter what I do when i create an audio sink in ubuntu it gives it the name null sink
[22:04] <bray90820> 22.04
[22:06] <tomreyn> bray90820: please don't cross-post
[22:18] <prabhakarlad> hi all, can anyone point me on how to cross compile ubuntu kernel and rootfs for arm64. Any pointers would be really helpful.
[22:29] <johnjaye> is jessie still supported with packge updates or no?
[22:30] <johnjaye> er not jessie. 18.04
[22:31] <tomreyn> johnjaye: a few more weeks by default. longer with !esm
[22:31] <johnjaye> where on the website do I check for this
[22:31] <johnjaye> or is it just based off 5 year periods?
[22:31] <tomreyn> there's a free 5y support period for LTS releases, which applies here.
[22:32] <tomreyn> and then there is https://ubuntu.com/security/esm
[22:32] <johnjaye> ok. yeah that sounds familiar
[22:34] <johnjaye> ok thanks
[22:34] <tomreyn> johnjaye: see also ubuntu.com/pro
[22:34] <tomreyn> looks like this page is missing a link to it
[22:41] <plugwash-uni> what is the reccomended overlay filesystem nowadays?
[22:41] <ravage> that depends on what you want to to
[22:41] <ravage> probably overlayfs?
[22:46] <plugwash-uni> yeah, I thought that too but I was having trouble making it work and wondering if it had been replaced. Seems it's just a case of everyone calls it overlayfs but the kernel just calls it overlay
[22:47] <odesportes_> Hi all
[22:50] <odesportes_> I'm trying to set up a bridge on a 22.04 box thats has two ethernet interfaces. Its use would be to "chain" this box and another ubuntu one so both can be on the same network and reach the internet.
[22:52] <odesportes_> For that I try to use native Ubuntu network options : nm-connection-editor
[22:53] <odesportes_> It should be a classical use-case but I can't find useful informations for it  on the web
[22:54] <odesportes_> Who'd know how to proceed ?
[22:57] <odesportes_> I'd need a bridge, no NAT
[22:57] <odesportes_> both computers have to be on the same network
[22:57] <StupidLikeAFox> Any tips for getting an apple magic mouse 2 to work properly in xubuntu? I got it to pair, and cursor movement and backup tactile buttons work- but the touch surface doesn't respond
[23:00] <StupidLikeAFox> it shows up as 'Magic Mouse' in Mouse and Touchpad settings, but has the same options available as my normal mosue does
[23:17] <ai_> привет кто не спит
[23:38] <morgan-acer> /nick morgan-acer
[23:52] <morgan-acer> dear friends, I am the person who has been complaining for over 2 years about my chrome dying often. I am now on a different computer, installation of ubuntu-mate-with gnome de.  I DONT HAVE CHROME DYING even though I have 48 chrome tabs and many of them (16) are youtube tabs. Now, my "other computer"(dell) is faster and I would like to go back to it. I would like to find the genesis of the problem


[16:00] <sil2100> o/
[16:02] <seb128> hey
[16:02] <seb128> I can only stay for half of the meeting today
[16:03] <sil2100> I'm also semi around
[16:04] <sil2100> (conflicting meeting)
[16:06] <bdmurray> o/
[16:07] <utkarsh21021> \o
[16:07] <utkarsh21021> won’t be chairing today, I have EOD’d already
[16:08] <utkarsh21021> do we have anything on the agenda?
[16:08] <bdmurray> I don't see any applications for today
[16:10] <rbasak> Sorry I'm late
[16:16] <teward> i'm even later than you are rbasak
[16:16] <teward> had Verizon FiOS doing a fiber installation in my apartment heh
[16:17] <teward> sil2100: seb128: bdmurray: utkarsh21021: rbasak: I don't see anything on our agenda that needs our attention other than perhaps past tasks, if there's nothing on the agenda I propose we just skip today's meeting as there's "nothing needing action"
[16:17] <seb128> +1 from me
[16:18] <bdmurray> +1
[16:23] <utkarsh21021> +1
[16:24] <utkarsh21021> teward: it’s interesting how one thing or the other keeps happening w you during the meeting time, hehe. Always fun to know your update. :)
[16:25] <teward> utkarsh21021: yeah i've got a chaotic lifestyle
[16:25] <teward> either way i *try* and make it on time, i usually don't end up being here on time though :\
[16:25] <teward> (i propose shifting the meetings by one hour ahead so i don't have to deal with the BS that hits me at 11PM  /joking)
[16:26] <teward> ANYWAYS, I don't see anyone objecting to the proposal, so I'd say that this DMB meeting is adjourned because of no actions to take :P
[16:26] <teward> oh ffs what now *has workplace calling him on his phone despite him being on real time chat*
[16:34] <utkarsh21021> hah, nice
[16:34] <utkarsh21021> good meeting
[16:34] <utkarsh21021> see y’all
[16:37] <teward> utkarsh21021: at least this meeting wasn't two weeks ago - if it had been my excuse was "COVID Sucks" - that was the christmas gift I got this year >.>
[16:37] <teward> anyways.  *goes back to what he was about to do before Verizon showed up outside of expected hours - coding*
[16:38] <utkarsh21021> teward: uh oh, sorry to hear that. Hope you’re better now?
[16:38] <teward> much.  another bout of COVID, another dosage of Paxlovid antiviral to help fight it off.
[16:38] <teward> fully negative now
[18:05] <utkarsh21021> good to know! Take care :)