[18:52] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::platform:: Add python-aws-requests-auth to supported-misc-servers @ http://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/commit/?id=d661c14d13b93b158641ae536ee7e6a8af4a3b42 (by Utkarsh Gupta)


[00:08] <frozenskunk> Can someone please help me get my remotes up and running with a commandir? I've been trying for months to get them going with mythbuntu, and had no luck. I can (sometimes) get mode2 to see data, and (sometimes) get irw to see my dish network remote, but can't get my Hauppauge A415-HPG to be recognized. I had it working until the girlfriend did an upgrade to 8.04 and overwrote all the config files, I haven't been able to get th
[00:21] <frozenskunk> Again... Can someone please help me get my remotes up and running with a commandir? I've been trying for months to get them going with mythbuntu, and had no luck. I can (sometimes) get mode2 to see data, and (sometimes) get irw to see my dish network remote, but can't get my Hauppauge A415-HPG to be recognized. I had it working until the girlfriend did an upgrade to 8.04 and overwrote all the config files, I haven't been able
[00:29] <frozenskunk1> Again... Can someone please help me get my remotes up and running with a commandir? I've been trying for months to get them going with mythbuntu, and had no luck. I can (sometimes) get mode2 to see data, and (sometimes) get irw to see my dish network remote, but can't get my Hauppauge A415-HPG to be recognized. I had it working until the girlfriend did an upgrade to 8.04 and overwrote all the config files, I haven't been ab
[00:39] <frozenskunk1> hello? 3 hours, and not a single response!?!?!
[00:40] <tgm4883_laptop> !weekend | frozenskunk
[00:40] <Zinn> frozenskunk: It's a weekend.  Often on weekends a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the week.
[00:40] <frozenskunk1> makes sense, in the past weekends have been when I got the best response, just glad to see there are people here, not just bots... Thanks!
[00:42] <squish102> frozenskunk1 not that i can help you, but i did the same thing, 7.10 worked fine, 8.04 screwed it up so bad, that i eventually bought a new remote
[00:43] <frozenskunk1> yeah, ready to pull my hair out, I had a box up and running for 2-3 years, and since 8.04 was released it has just gathered dust, I have even tried going back to knoppmyth, but it is sucha horrrible platform to try and work on when you used to ubuntu I gave up.
[00:44] <frozenskunk1> what remote did you go to? Buying a remote seems much cheaper than the professional help I will require from a mental health specialist... ;-)
[00:46] <frozenskunk1> I'm using a commanIR mini with Dish Network boxes, did that work for your setup?
[00:48] <squish102> i am using a microsoft mce remote ir receiver
[00:48] <squish102> worked out the box
[00:48] <frozenskunk1> Is that a card, usb-device?
[00:49] <squish102> usb device
[00:49] <frozenskunk1> I have a PVR-350, PVR-500, with the Hauppauge A415-HPG remote through a commandIR mini, with 3 dish network boxes...
[00:50] <squish102> well i have a pvr-150, and a ati HD tuner, and i dont controll anything else
[00:51] <squish102> although the mce remote has 2 ir transmitters
[00:51] <frozenskunk1> hmm... I need at least 3, since I have 3 dish network boxes. CommandIR gives 4.
[00:53] <squish102> im lucky, i dont need to control any boxes, and just tuner the tuners
[00:53] <frozenskunk1> I can get the commandIR to see signals, and even give the right output through irw sometimes, just not all the time, and I can't get irsend to work at all with it anymore. frustrating as hell since both commandIR and mythbuntu docs claims that it 'justworks'
[00:53] <squish102> eexactly my experience
[00:54] <squish102> it was just ment to work, which is how my previous ir receiver worked when on 7.10
[00:54] <squish102> went to 8.04 and spent weeks trying to figure out how to get it working again
[00:54] <squish102> installed old 7.10 on another machine, ir worked fine again
[00:55] <frozenskunk1> yeah, seems like I have to fiddle with the lircd.conf file a little with 7.10, but had it working with a small enough amount of work that I didn't bother to write it down, have spent almost 6 months now trying to get it to work under 8.04. I may just try to go back with 7.10 again since you say that
[00:56] <frozenskunk1> I am beating my head against a wall now, I thought that I had a grasp on myth/linux, but this is just silly!
[01:45] <bronson> mythcommflag[26498]: segfault at b1c9e620 ip b7236c67 sp bfe766e4 error 6 in libmythavcodec-0.21.so.0.21.0[b6fa4000+39c000]
[02:11] <CRXLPY> I just got done searching the forums, I could not find my issue but I know it has to be something silly. I can watch recordings and they skip commercials flawlessly, but if I burn a dvd all the commercials are part of the dvd.... not what I want of course. I have tried transcoding then making an iso, I have tried saving a cutlist then making iso. but I cant get rid of the commercials. what am I missing? I want to make an iso w/o co
[02:30] <frozenskunk1> anyone here that can help with ComandIR and a Haupaugge remote?
[02:49] <squish102> bronson  u still here?
[02:52] <squish102> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials#Automatically_removing_commercials
[02:55] <MythbuntuGuest71> Got a quick Q, has anyone had any success using a philips 7130 based tuner working with mythbuntu?
[02:57]  * MythbuntuGuest71 twiddles his thumbs
[02:58] <MythbuntuGuest71> is anyone available in here?
[03:06] <darthanubis> this is a slow channel
[03:06] <darthanubis> you generally have to ask, and just chillax
[03:13] <squish102> for like a day or 2
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> especially when you ask a question like that
[03:14] <tgm4883_laptop> cause now you have to find someone else with that piece of hardware
[03:25] <squish102> google may know who has one
[03:39] <MythbuntuGuest71> yah google knows to much...
[03:40] <MythbuntuGuest71> scares me
[03:46] <sentinel23> hey, anyone ever encountered GRUB "Error 2: Bad file or directory type"?    I ran updates on my Mythbuntu box and now it won't boot...
[09:06] <MythbuntuGuest14> hey all, quick question... what is the default video storage location for mythbuntu?
[09:31] <MythbuntuGuest14> nevermind... found it.  var/lib/mythtv/videos
[09:37] <pretender> Can anyone help me to get mytharchive working it just sits there and does  nothing when i run it.  my myth archive temp directory is var/lib/mythtv/mytharchive/temp/ running Gutsy
[13:23] <feltis> if I want to move to 8.10 from 8.04.1 what is the best way to do this? I downloaded the latest ISO but it does not seem to want to install, is there an alternate method that I'm missing?
[13:51] <directhex> sudo update-manager -c -d
[14:12] <jphillip> feltis you mean 7.10, or are you really talking about going backwareds?
[14:16] <directhex> he said to intrepid from hardy
[14:17] <directhex> i know usually people say them the other way round, but the "to" & "from" were valid
[14:22] <jphillip> directhex ya just wanted to check
[18:08] <v0lksman> hey all...I was able to use nuvexport to transcode a video yesterday.  but when I went to transcode the next one (the same way) it craps out without any error.  Running in debug it doesn't provide any help...just goes through all the steps in less than a second and says complete.  how can I troubleshoot this?  can dpaste the output if someone wants to check it
[18:16] <v0lksman> hrm...thought I had tried a different file but I just did again and it's working on the newer recording.  Weird...
[19:09] <weiser> does anyone know what mythfrontend do every 10 min. the cpu goes up for about 10 sek, but northing in the log?
[19:15] <jphillip> weiser opengl most likely
[19:51] <jmichelse1> I am looking to use mythbuntu to start my first media center PC. I have a tuner I bought a long time ago but I have been unable to find a guide or a post by anyone that has used this particular tuner, is there a complete list of compatible devices somewhere? it's a Kworld external USB tuner box
[19:51] <directhex> if it's linux-compatible (check the linuxtv wiki) it's myth compatible
[19:52] <jmichelse1> directhex: is that source pretty up to date?
[19:53] <directhex> meh. so-so. relies on non-lazy users updating it
[19:53] <jmichelse1> haha
[19:54] <jmichelse1> sounds like linux
[19:54] <directhex> well that also relies on non-lazy users updating it
[19:54] <jmichelse1> yea
[19:55] <jmichelse1> I have been looking all over at guides and things, I am semi new to linux and completely new to pc-tv, is there a good guide on getting a card installed and working ? generic guide that runs htourgh the diff commands to test the card and stuff?
[19:56] <directhex> digital tv?
[19:58] <jmichelse1> antenna
[19:58] <jmichelse1> just to install the tuner though-
[19:58] <directhex> digital or analog antenna?
[20:00] <jmichelse1> analog
[20:02] <directhex> right. is it plugged in?
[20:02] <jmichelse1> yea usb tuner, its plugged in
[20:02] <directhex> does "ls /dev/video*" return anything?
[20:05] <jmichelse1> lsusb shows the tuner, il check dev/video
[20:07] <jmichelse1> it doest see /dev/video
[20:07] <jmichelse1> *
[20:07] <directhex> lsusb only tells you whether a device has identified itself to the machine, it doesn't mean a thing about whether there are drivers or not, or whether it works or not
[20:08] <jmichelse1> ok
[20:58] <zabbadapp> I have added a second HD (PATA, /dev/sda) to my mythbox and it won't spin down with hdparm -S240 /dev/sda ... I noticed that if I force spindown with hdparm -y /dev/sda it only stays down for a second, then spin up again! Why is that?
[21:07] <jcastro> Hi, I am wondering why mythbuntu is linked to the mythtv package here: https://edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+packages
[21:14] <superm1> what's it mean for a package to be linked on that page?
[21:25] <jcastro> I have no idea
[21:25] <jcastro> the link screws up my upstream report though, that's why I was wondering what the link does.
[21:26] <superm1> i dont recall ever setting that up, but i also don't see anything obvious for how to remove it
[21:27] <jcastro> I think I can get it removed, but I have no idea what it's for
[21:27] <superm1> well nothing we did afaik
[21:27] <superm1> so feel free to get it nuked
[21:27] <jcastro> ok, if someone hollers send them my way and I'll try to figure something out


[00:46] <jthan_> InHisName1: Yes, btw.
[00:47] <jthan_> InHisName2: Do I talk to this one?
[00:53] <JonathanD> jthan: InHisName* works
[10:34] <rmg51> Morning
[13:25] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[13:58] <lazyPower> o/
[13:58] <lazyPower> http://www.wplug.org/wiki/Meeting-20140308
[13:58] <lazyPower> i dont know if anyone is near the Pittsburgh area, but I will be giving a talk about Juju on the 9'th. Feel free to RSVP and attend if you have the time
[13:59] <lazyPower> *8'th


[03:24] <MoNkUnClE> i am having a problem staying connected in 6.06,i have tried a fix with force.deth that the forums recommended,but still have to do a cold start and unplug my puterm for 15 seconds inorder to get the network to come back up on boot,any help would be sooooooooooo much appreciated,this is been a month now,and still haven't figured it out,please please please,anyone??????


[00:55] <tomreyn> hi
[00:56] <tomreyn> we have a package in Ubuntu called megaglest (and megaglest-data/-dbg). now i'm wondering where reports on crashes on Ubuntu go and how we can get access to those?
[00:59] <tomreyn> also your /topic seems to be cut off
[01:00] <penguin42> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/megaglest  should be the bugs if there were any
[01:01] <tomreyn> penguin42: does this include crashes? my understanding is that they are handled differently since 12.04
[01:02] <tomreyn> i.e. users will no longer end up on launchpad when reporting them
[01:02] <penguin42> ah, I think I know what you're talking about, but I've not seen where that goes
[01:02] <tomreyn> there is supposed to be some "crashdb" somewhere
[01:03] <penguin42> yeh not sure where
[01:04] <penguin42> tomreyn: http://askubuntu.com/questions/140379/how-can-i-track-a-bug-that-caused-a-crash-and-was-reported-via-apport-whoopsie
[01:07] <penguin42> a lot of the links there seem to be broken, not sure if it's just a perms issue
[01:14] <tomreyn> so the crash reports are centrally collected and there are (very limited) publically accessible statistics based on them
[01:15] <tomreyn> and then there is a link to (supposedly) detailed crash reports. Where the average mortal get's an "Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again."
[01:16] <penguin42> tomreyn: Looks like it, I'm not sure if that's supposed to work or not
[01:16] <penguin42> tomreyn: Those links have lots of /'s in them - I wonder if that's not intended
[01:16] <tomreyn> i guess that could have become a nice system. after spending more time on developing it, and finishing developing it /before/ rolling it out.
[01:17] <penguin42> tomreyn: I guess maybe it already provides a good indication if there are lots of crashes of the same type suddenly occuring
[01:17] <penguin42> tomreyn: I guess someone can get to the detail
[01:18] <tomreyn> and at the same time the hooks it uses prevent the user from gathering crash dumps the way the application developer may like them.
[01:18] <penguin42> I assume there is a way to stop that
[01:18] <tomreyn> probably, but default matter.
[01:18] <tomreyn> *defaults
[01:19] <tomreyn> anyway, we don't know enough, let's see if someone who knows something about this scarcely documented system is able to provide more insight.
[01:20] <penguin42> nod - I suspect all the docs are there somewhere if we knew where to look
[01:23]  * penguin42 must make a note to ensure that's disabled on his work machines
[10:12] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[10:14] <green7> hello
[10:15] <green7> Need some help!
[10:17] <ogra_> green7, for support try #ubuntu
[10:18] <green7> Well, someone redirected me here
[10:18] <smartboyhw> ogra_, he meant support on developing, help him to start on his way to development
[10:18] <green7> right
[10:18] <ogra_> then probably #ubuntu-app-devel or #ubuntu-motu
[10:18] <green7> all right.
[10:29] <green7> seems like they're busy!
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Yep!
[10:32] <shnatsel> !regression-alert
[10:32] <shnatsel> bug #1035384
[10:33] <shnatsel> ulatencyd is a daemon that organizes processes in cgroups, sets nice and ionice per cgroups and processes, etc
[10:33] <smartboyhw_away> shnatsel: Help green7
[10:34] <micahg> smartboyhw_away: no, he's reporting a regression
[10:34] <smartboyhw_away> OK, so someone please help green7, he wants to develop for ubuntu
[10:34] <shnatsel> the latest kernel in -updates panics on boot if ulatencyd is installed; this has never happened before in the ~6 months I'm using ulatencyd
[10:35] <shnatsel> the panic seems to be confirmed on a wide range of systems, seems to happen on every boot but I don
[10:35] <shnatsel> I don't have all the details because I'm on a vacation with an older kernel, sorry\
[10:36] <shnatsel> people in #elementary-dev can explain the problem in more detail
[10:36] <shnatsel> elementary ships ulatencyd by default so all systems suddenky got bricked :)
[10:47] <ogra_> micahg, though ifind it doubtful to call out an IRC regession alert fo a universe package on a sunday
[10:48] <micahg> ogra_: the regression is possibly in the kernel, it's just manifesting itself with a universe package installed
[10:49] <ogra_> sure but really not a super duper emergency that required to remove or blacklist a package from the archive
[10:49] <micahg> ogra_: I would think that depends on what the root cause is
[10:49] <ogra_> (since you can easily avoid it by removing dais universe package)
[10:51] <micahg> yeah, I guess if that's the only symptom ATM, it's probably not worth pulling
[10:52]  * ogra_ glares at his dyslexic fingers
[10:52] <ogra_> s/dais/said/
[12:20] <green7> hello
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[14:51] <SectorX8> Hi there. I may be interested in contribution and membership.
[14:52] <smartboyhw> SectorX8: What membership? Contribute BEFORE membership
[14:52] <SectorX8> But... My field doesn't seems to mentioned in the contribution site.
[14:52] <SectorX8> Page*
[14:53] <SectorX8> smartboyhw: I know. I'm not asking for it.
[14:53] <SectorX8> I'm just telling you that I'm interested.
[14:55] <SectorX8> So... My field is security. Such as pentesting, cloud security, forensics etc. How can I contribute with this?
[14:56] <SectorX8> The topic is not mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu
[14:56] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-security and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam might be able to help.
[14:56] <SectorX8> Thanks. I'll be moving to next channel.
[14:56] <SectorX8> Have a nice day.
[14:56] <cjwatson> I wouldn't worry overly much about whether all the is are dotted and ts crossed on the contributions page.  If you do good work on security it will be fairly obvious.
[14:57] <cjwatson> Have fun.
[14:57] <SectorX8> Thanks again. I'll. =)
[14:57] <cjwatson> (I don't know how active -security is outside typical working hours, mind.)
[14:58] <SectorX8> OK good to know.
[15:00] <SectorX8> Typical security specialists btw. I'm active in digital forensics lab at a university. My mate in the lab, a Ph D is quite much night gibbing. And we're working way too much. Like politicans. Just to mention.
[22:29] <hallyn> infinity: hey - do you happen to know if there's an ubuntu image i can run (newer than maverick) on efika mx smarttop?  would it use the same procedure i followed a year ago on that fujitsu arm netbook?
[22:33] <infinity> hallyn: Genesi never got around to getting us a current kernel, so we never did images for newer releases.
[22:34] <infinity> hallyn: But you could always take one of their old images/kernels, and do a sketchy debootstrap / static shell / pivot root reinstall from their old maverick/armel to a precise/armhf.
[22:34] <infinity> hallyn: You'd just be stuck with their ancient kernel. :/
[22:34] <hallyn> infinity: that's a shame
[22:34] <hallyn> i wonder if i can find a kernel delta to port to build my own
[22:34] <infinity> hallyn: Yeah, I spent two release cycles asking them for a kernel we could ship in the archive, and gave up.
[22:36] <hallyn> would i need to do anything more than back up /boot and /lib/modules; update; copy content back; update-initramfs and grub-update?
[22:36] <hallyn> well i suppose the kernel .debs shouldn't depend on anything else old
[22:36] <infinity> grub? :P
[22:37] <infinity> In theory, just jiggering the kenrel around from old root to new root would make it all work.  I should probably do so with my smarttop before I give you advice on bricking yours, though.
[22:37] <infinity> You'd end up losing any of their binary codecs, X drivers, etc, but I suspect that's not a big deal for your use-case?
[22:38] <hallyn> haha.  right :)  (no grub)
[22:38] <infinity> Actually, wait, their image was lacking binary X acceleration fanciness anyway, if I recall.  So, that situation wouldn't regress any.
[22:38] <hallyn> infinity: yeah, this will be headless.  i'd like wireless to work (though not required)< that's about it
[22:41] <hallyn> anyway i sent an email to the guy who'd said "thank you for your purchase' last year asking about updates.  assume i'll hear nothing...
[22:45] <hallyn> interestingly the 2.6.31 kernel in their git tree does have recent updates
[22:46] <hallyn> heh, last commit in its ipc/ dir is by me.  two years ago.  sucks.
[22:46] <hallyn> shucks i meant
[22:51] <hallyn> alright asked one of their kernel devs about their github tree.  will hope for the best.
[23:40] <Mikeulus> Hello all. What exactly does "unity --replace" do?
[23:41] <Mikeulus> I have built unity 6.0, and am interested in switching back and forth between the system's version of unity and the one I have built.


[11:52] <cjwatson> wgrant: In case you happen to look at it, I think any attempt to upgrade to ZTK 2.0a1 will run into https://github.com/buildout/buildout/issues/236
[13:14] <wgrant> cjwatson: Odd, I don't remember that from last time I tried upgrading buildout.
[13:14] <wgrant> I ran into buildout.cfg incompatibilities or removed features, I think.
[13:28] <cjwatson> I tried it on lazr.sshserver.  I think 2.1.0 had the same problem, but generally buildout upgrades are massively confusing anyway ...  It could be that there weren't >= constraints in the relevant set when you tried, maybe
[13:28] <cjwatson> (Though that seems unlikely)
[13:30] <wgrant> Yeah, odd.
[13:30] <wgrant> I didn't take good notes back then, unfortunately.


 Hey
[07:58] <IrcsomeBot1> Ruta Gabriel was added by: Ruta Gabriel
[10:42] <jubo2> I have this Kubuntu 19.04 that is on a single partition. I'm going to use Live Clonezilla to move it to a bigger SSD. The thing is that I think I want a separate root partition and separate /home. How could / should I go about this
[10:43] <jubo2> Is it non-problematic to have a bunch of distros and them all accessing the same /home partition?
[10:44] <aldiasin> hi
[10:44] <jubo2> hi aldiasin
[12:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:55] <floown> Hello! In Kubuntu, it is better to mount partitions (on second HDD) in /mnt or /media?
[12:55] <floown> data partition
[13:45] <BluesKaj> floown, I use /media for 2nd drives
[13:46] <BluesKaj> and set the UUID for it in /etc/fstab using sudo blkid
[15:42] <user|40414> Is this the right place to ask a quick question?
[18:13] <artur> oi
 Hey all
[19:45] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, quick question. Is there a way to get Kubuntu to mount detected drives on startup?
[19:46] <[Relic]> as in always the same drives or in switching out different ones like a usb drive?
[19:47] <LINKSWORD2> As in the drives that are physically within the system. Same drives.
[19:54] <diogenes_> LINKSWORD2, gnome-disk-utility can do that.
[19:59] <LINKSWORD2> Oh?
[20:04] <LINKSWORD2> I can't find that.
[21:01] <crydotsnake-M> Hello. How can i Join the Kubuntu Testers ?. I`m already in the Kubuntu Testers group on Launchpad. Was that everything i need to do?.
[21:34] <RikMills> crydotsnake-M: Hi. best thing is to join #kubuntu-devel
[21:35] <RikMills> when testing of things is needed we usually ask on there. discuss bugs. coordinate new stuff etc
[21:35] <crydotsnake-M> Okay. Thank you a Lot!. Also on freenode or on Matrix?
[21:38] <RikMills> crydotsnake-M: on KDE matrix you can join a freenode channel - https://community.kde.org/Matrix#How_do_I_join_an_IRC_channel.3F
[21:38] <crydotsnake-M> I'm in the Channel ! :))


[07:43] <jose> pleia2: hey, want me to migrate to the wiki>
[07:43] <jose> ?
[07:44] <jose> s/migrate/move/
[16:31] <PaulW2U> Re the bad link that keeps appearing - http://askubuntu.com//stackexchange.com/sites, I think it should be "http://askubuntu.com/ and http://stackexchange.com/sites" It needs to be deleted or amended but I've left it for someone else to decide what to do with it
[16:32] <jose> PaulW2U: let me fix it
[16:32] <jose> I'll see if I can fix the script at some point
[16:34] <jose> oh, looks like a bug when parsing the text
[16:40] <PaulW2U> jose: Ok, I see that you've deleted the link(s), so I've changed "Top 5 Questions" to "Top Questions" as per last week
[16:41] <jose> hmm, where is that?
[16:41] <jose> oh right
[16:41] <jose> good catch, thanks :)


[00:19] <devildante> can someone confirm and triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/617044?
[00:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 617044 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdmsetup unlock screen doesn't show what is done (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[00:28] <yofel> actually, the button does nothing here (running KDE right now) :/
[00:28] <yofel> ** (gdmsetup:17596): WARNING **: Failed to unlock: The name org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .service files
[00:28] <devildante> yofel: that's another bug :P
[00:28] <yofel> well, it prevents me from confirming yours :P
[00:29] <devildante> yofel: isn't the screenshot enough to confirm?
[00:29] <yofel> well 'An application' is certainly very descriptive...
[00:30] <yofel> what's written under 'details' ?
[00:31] <devildante> no, I meant that it should show a primary message, just like software-center/aptdaemon do
[00:32] <devildante> like "Authentication is required to modify login settings" in bold
[00:33] <yofel> well right, I'll confirm the bug for now,
[00:37] <devildante> sorry for disconnect :(
[00:40] <devildante> yofel: thanks for confirming :)
[00:40] <yofel> np, bed time for me
[00:40] <yofel> gn
[00:42] <devildante> gn :)
[07:20] <rajatkhanduja> I've applied for an Ubuntu Member but haven't received any reply in this regard. .. .how long can it take to get a reply?
[07:21] <rajatkhanduja> *applied for Ubuntu **MENTOR** not member
[07:21] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: do you see your name at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors/Students  ?
[07:22] <kermiac> ah, you're the second last name.. right?
[07:22] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, yes I do... .Rajat Khanduja
[07:24] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, the name's there..but how long can it take for a reply?? Pretty eager to get started
[07:24] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: have you done everything outlined at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors (under the "How To Request a Mentor" heading)
[07:25] <KE1HA> During the the last meeting, they discussed this with the Mentors, and have seen several notes coming out but with the upcoming release of 10.4.1, the bug Mentors are pretty busy.
[07:25] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, yes I think I did everything as mentioned...once I forgot to give the link to my wiki page..but then I re-applied (as the first application was rejected)
[07:27] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: how long ago did you apply? also, there are only a limited number of mentors & I know that there are a few students who have requested a mentor that are still waiting to be assigned
[07:28] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: please feel free to get started by reading the "how to triage" documentation. Ask any questions you may have in here & if someone is around who knows the answer they will help you
[07:29] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, yes I did read the documentation .. and also tried triaging some bugs .. I shall continue with that until i get a mentor..thank u ..
[07:30] <kermiac> ok rajatkhanduja, please don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have... Thanks for helping!
[07:30] <rajatkhanduja> kermiac, btw I had applied around 18 july
[07:31] <kermiac> rajatkhanduja: what is your launchpad id?
[07:31] <rajatkhanduja> ~rajatkhanduja13
[07:31] <kermiac> thanks
[07:39] <rajatkhanduja> rypervenche : ok
[08:17] <njin> hello everybody
[08:21] <zus> hi nkin
[08:21] <zus> njin,
[08:21] <zus> lol it's late here
[08:22] <njin> zus, here 9.22 AM
[08:22] <zus> 3:22 am here
[08:22] <njin> zus:good night
[08:22] <zus> i was about to log off and seen ya said  hello.  figureed i would say hi back
[08:22] <njin> zus:good morning
[08:23] <zus> lol it's  kind of both at moment
[08:23] <njin> ;-)
[08:53] <njin> hello, hitting alt/tab in metacity or compiz, monitor start to flashing, is only a my bug ?
[08:54] <njin> *alt+tab
[10:20] <yofel> njin: about [10:26:39] <njin> why, at the end of a bug page if i hit report another bug it link to the wiki page?
[10:21] <yofel> that's because that link goes directly to the launchpad bug filing page, without adding the 'no-redirect' option to the link, and as a normal user you get redirected to the wiki page in this case
[10:21] <yofel> as you generally shouldn't file bugs this way
[10:21] <yofel> so that's intentionally, not an issue with launchpad ;)
[10:22] <njin> yofel: hello, yes is a feature, because if i start from a page assigned to ubuntu and ask to report another bug it link to the wiki page, well
[10:23] <njin> thanks for explication
[10:24] <njin> yofel, are you experiencing the alt+tab bug ?
[10:24] <yofel> I don't use gnome and kde works fine (maverick)
[10:24] <njin> ok, thanks
[11:41] <vish> om26er: snap! that was fast ;)
[11:42] <om26er> vish, I have hawks eye on my emailbox ;)
[11:44] <vish> om26er: yeah , looks like he was in a hurry to get it sponsored :)
[11:46] <vish> om26er: if we had another 10 more people like him, we might probably have lesser bugs.. ;p
[11:46] <om26er> vish, the other bugs 'freenode as default irc' when empathy 2.31.90 releases that patch should be removed and a one line version should be added
[11:47] <vish> om26er: yeah..
[11:48] <om26er> we have to edit 'irc.gimpnet.org' to 'chat.freenode.net' and tada its fixed
[11:56] <penguin42> A bug of mine has been converted to a support tracker; I disagree - what's the right way to turn it back to a bug  - bug 404670
[11:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 404670 in ubuntu "Can't reload alsa modules because pulse won't die (affects: 2) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404670
[11:58] <devildante> hi all :)
[12:00] <penguin42> Hi DD
[12:19] <njin> help i don't understand what he wrote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/405890
[12:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 405890 in ubuntu "Bad color choice in virtual console when running screen (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[12:22] <penguin42> hmm not sure how you get load average in screen - perhaps it's a config option
[12:22] <jfi> I guess that's the bottom lines of byobu
[12:23] <njin> penguin42: click on convert to a bug
[12:24] <jfi> by default it using darkgray on yellow for me
[12:24] <penguin42> I guess the question is whether it's really byobu he's using or if he has some other screen config
[12:25] <jfi> maybe asking for a screenshot will ease the understanding?
[12:25] <njin> well, thanks boys i reply as not described well
[12:25] <penguin42> njin: No!
[12:25] <njin> why
[12:25] <penguin42> njin: Because someone who understands screen would ask better questions
[12:26] <penguin42> njin: I would ask specifically if he is using normal screen or byobu and what his screen configs are
[12:26] <njin> ok
[12:27] <penguin42> njin: It's not that clear a report, but after a bit of thought I can see the type of problem he has but don't understand exactly the config - so one to ask more info, not to tell them off for an unclear report!
[12:30] <njin> Penguin42: no, i would use the stock option to request a major precision in the description
[12:31] <penguin42> njin: and I'm saying that would still be wrong given that it just needs some specific info
[12:31] <penguin42> njin: Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean that others can't get most of the idea
[12:32] <njin> penguin42: ok, then i ask him if it using a normal screen or byobu
[12:33] <njin> penguin42:thanks
[12:33] <jfi> I am sure that by default screen does not display uptime
[12:33] <jfi> s/uptime/load
[12:40] <penguin42> jfi: Yeh I'm fairly sure you're right, I  assume you could configure screen to do it somehow? (is there a .screenrc or the like?)
[12:46] <yofel> penguin42: there is, mine's empty though as I use byobu which has the configs in .byobu/
[12:47] <yofel> penguin42: about your bug, press 'Convert back to a bug'
[12:48] <njin> yofel: then the bug is confirmed ?
[12:48] <yofel> well, I do remember fighting with PA for the same reason once, can be worked around by disabling autspawn in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[12:50] <njin> yofel: i was talking about the screen
[12:51] <njin> yofel: ok for PA
[12:51] <yofel> hm, I'm still reading it, sec
[12:53] <yofel> hm, well, without a screenshot I can't really tell what he means, I would suspect he meanst the byobu info bar too, but my configuration is different from the defaut and it's completely fine here
[12:54] <yofel> and vim has more than one color sheme too...
[12:54] <penguin42> a screen shot or his .screen config (although since it's console it's going to have to be a camera!)
[12:56] <njin> or probably after one year ha cames to a solution ;-)
[12:58] <njin> penguin42: ok for your bug, i forget the workaround, sorry
[13:00] <jfi_> hum, miss that is using console, when using console the colors are clearly horrible and readable
[13:01] <jfi_> (not readable)
[13:02] <njin> jfi: in lucid package ?
[13:02] <jfi_> no, I have run in the maverick console to a server using 9.04
[13:02] <jfi_> I mean, I open a ssh byobu connection to a 9.04 server using my 10.10 desktop
[13:02] <njin> jfi, better, then can you confirm this ?
[13:04] <jfi_> I cannot confirm the bug, the color issues is not concerning the load but the cpu frequence and memory info
[13:04] <jfi_> is there a way to "screenshot" a console except using a camera?
[13:05] <penguin42> not easily
[13:05] <jfi_> well, I am going to search where I put my camera so:)
[13:06] <penguin42> you can copy the textual contents (cat /dev/vcs0 etc) and if it's framebuffer based there maybe a way of doing it, but I don't know how
[13:13] <jfi_> my camera fails to take the photo... focus does not work....
[13:16] <njin> pressing Alt+Tab with some apps opened you screen flahes ?
[13:18] <njin> jfi_: what i have to do to reproduce then i take the photo
[13:19] <njin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/617752
[13:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 617752 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Pressing Alt+Tab screen flashes (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[13:19] <jfi_> njin, control+alt+f2 then login then start byobu
[13:20] <njin> jfy_ok
[13:23] <jfi_> http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8293/byo.png
[13:24] <jfi_> the color issue is the gray on cyan and green (Ghz, GB, %) which are not readable
[13:24] <jfi_> I guess than the same kind of issues that he wants to report
[13:26] <njin> jfy_: can i use your photo to ask him, my phome makes it all blank
[13:27] <jfi_> yes you can use the photo as you want, I don't plan to use any commercial copyright :-)
[13:27] <njin> LOL, thanks
[13:32] <kermiac> can someone pls confirm who can set "Expired" status
[13:33] <jfi_> njin, maybe you should attach the photo and not link it to imageshack, I am not sure that imageshack keeps files
[13:34] <yofel> kermiac: everyone, but it's only settable with launchpadlib or by email
[13:34] <njin> ok
[13:34] <kermiac> ah, that answers my question... Thanks yofel :)
[13:35] <yofel> kermiac: I have a script to set it for a specific bug if you want it https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/+junk/lp-scripts
[13:36] <kermiac> thanks yofel, I'll check it out. Should we mention that you need to use launchpadlib or email interface to set this status at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[13:37] <yofel> kermiac: probably, can you add one?
[13:38] <kermiac> yofel: yup, I'll add it
[13:38] <yofel> thanks :)
[13:38] <kermiac> also, before I do... should we mention "opinion"? is that official yet or still too experimental to be added
[13:39] <yofel> no idea, I wouldn't mention it for now (I didn't hear anything final myself yet)
[13:41] <kermiac> yofel: ok, sounds reasonable. I haven't heard anything official either, but I'm seeing more and more people use it
[13:41]  * kermiac pings vish - http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/14/%23ubuntu-bugs.html#t07:20
[13:43] <vish> kermiac: hmm , yeah, there is no one in that slot similar to stlsaint , maybe we should make that clearer on the wik
[13:43] <vish> i
[13:46] <kermiac> vish: ok mate. perhaps we could email them asking if they are available at other times or willing to workaround the issue by asking whoever is around in here for any "immediate" questions & asking less urgent or general questions via email... I don't know how else the timeslot issues can be worked around
[13:48] <vish> kermiac: yeah , i'm updating the wiki with that info..
[13:48] <vish> kermiac: but kinda not sure about the whole program or what to do,..  since some of the mentors on the wiki are not really willing to mentor either  :(
[13:49] <vish> hggdh: too..^
[13:49]  * vish will probably not be assigning mentors for a while  :s
[13:51] <vish> kermiac: a few mentors like yourself are eager , but some no matter how much we try to poke them to keep the program on track seem to get pissed .. so not really sure :s
[13:52] <kermiac> vish: I don't know what to do about that... I think that the mentorship program is a great idea. plenty of people seem to be able top bitch & moan about new triagers making mistakes, this is the perfect way to help solve that issue
[13:52] <kermiac> sorry about the language, I'll tone it down
[13:53] <vish> kermiac: np..  its hard to tone it sometimes  ;)
[13:55] <kermiac> vish: it is, but I still apologise... I'm one of the first people to mention keeping things "G" rated.  Are there bug mentors in reality? like bdm<tab>
[14:00] <kermiac> bilalakhtar: I wasn't talking about anyone in particular, I was simply making a *very* general observation
[14:01] <bilalakhtar> kermiac: I have been caught making over-simple observations about people
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> kermiac: once, I commented on the insistance of DDs to clean packages of errors while the packages they make might be having hundreds of errors
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> Insistance of DDs to clean packages THEY Sponsor of errors
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> not their own
[14:02] <bilalakhtar> this sparked off a large debate on #ubuntu-motu
[14:03] <gorilla> DDs ?
[14:03] <bilalakhtar> gorilla: Debian Developers
[14:03] <gorilla> bilalakhtar: Ahhh.
[14:04] <kermiac> bilalakhtar: I see your point, but i still stand by my general observation. Obviously not everyone can be "tarred with the same brush" & I don't want to "make a mountain out of a mole hill" but I was just making a very generalised observation that the mentorship program is a great way to help guide new triagers in the right direction instead of simply complaining that mistakes are made
[14:05] <bilalakhtar> To be clear, I never told you anything, kermiac
[14:06] <KE1HA> Just a general question, until us non-mentored students get our act together, what's the best way to help with bugs, without causing additional work for somebody else?
[14:08] <kermiac> KE1HA: find a package that you're familiar with & try to reproduce bugs... you can look through the triaging guide (see the topic) & ensure that bug reports have enough information such as the relevant log files, package version numbers, etc to be able to reproduce the bug
[14:09] <KE1HA> kermiac, that's one thing I've seen allot of, "not enough information" so I've been talking allot of notes on that one.
[14:09] <kermiac> KE1HA: also remember, if in doubt please feel free to ask someone in here for help :)
[14:11] <KE1HA> kermiac, the problme fer me was  / is to a large extent, figuring out how to get all the info properly, particularly when apport is not available to pull it.
[14:11] <vish> kermiac: what bugs me is that , its a simple thing , people can get busy and no one is forced to be a mentor!.. like for example, greg--g, he was busy and he marked himself as not available, simple aint it? is that so difficult for a person to do .. *sigh* ... they know they are on the list, pedro_ has mailed them too,they get the mail that they have a student assigned, but still they just want to have the best of both worlds or whatever reasons they
[14:11] <vish> are being callous ...
[14:12] <vish> and they are active too..
[14:12] <vish> anyways.. </rant>
[14:12]  * kermiac hugs vish
[14:12] <vish> :)
[15:19] <Thomas_Bates> Can someone help me file a bug (I was told if the update/upgrade did not work, I should file a bug on the situation). I've no idea what package, best I can do is give a link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9718649&posted=1#post9718251
[15:21] <devildante> Thomas_Bates: ndiswrapper is for wifi, not for all windows drivers
[15:22] <Thomas_Bates> ndiswrapper was something I was told to try
[15:22] <Thomas_Bates> Read further, I did not continue using it.
[15:27] <devildante> from  what I've seen, you want to mount in /mnt, but you're looking in /media. Try: "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and look in /mnt
[15:32] <Thomas_Bates> Yes, I've done that.
[15:32] <Thomas_Bates> It does show "usbstick"
[15:32] <Thomas_Bates> however, that isn't the name of the device
[15:33] <Thomas_Bates> Nor is the folder the device
[15:36] <devildante> you mean, there's nothing in "usbstick"?
[15:36] <Thomas_Bates> No,
[15:36] <Thomas_Bates> For one
[15:36] <Thomas_Bates> The file has a 288 GB free space
[15:37] <Thomas_Bates> Not a flash drive...
[15:37] <Thomas_Bates> But I have tested it to see if files placed there show when I put the flash drive in my laptop
[15:38] <devildante> Thomas_Bates: I read you somehow lack permissions for flash devices. Can you put them back?
[15:39] <Thomas_Bates> Yes, it is somehow only one drive. I have both an 8GB flash drive, an external HDD, and then the drive that is not showing. Somehow, the *GB flash drive has now doesn't like me.
[15:40] <Thomas_Bates> I have permissions for all drives, minus that one.
[15:40] <Thomas_Bates> An error somewhere.
[15:40] <penguin42> sorry, I missed the start of this discussion
[15:40] <Thomas_Bates> I've done nothing to transfer permissions, so I've no idea how it changed.
[15:40] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: So you plug this drive in, it shows up (with the wrong name) and you can't write it - correct summary?
[15:41] <Thomas_Bates> No.
[15:41] <Thomas_Bates> The drive in question doesn't show up at all, on this computer.
[15:41] <penguin42> ah ok
[15:41] <Thomas_Bates> I have another drive, which is throwing a tantrum.
[15:41] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: Does it show up on lsusb ? WHen you plug it in what does dmesg show?
[15:42] <Thomas_Bates> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9718649&posted=1#post9718251
[15:42] <Thomas_Bates> Should be somewhere near the middle after assorted tricks #ubuntu and I tried
[15:43] <Thomas_Bates>  ah
[15:43] <Thomas_Bates> http://pastebin.com/gdKV44e0
[15:44] <Thomas_Bates> that was last night, if you need an updated one, I'm happy to oblige
[15:44] <penguin42> ok, so I guess the Seagate RSS LLC is that drive
[15:44] <Thomas_Bates> No, that would be my external, which is functioning correctly.
[15:45] <penguin42> ah ok, so what make/model/size is this drive?
[15:45] <Thomas_Bates> updated: http://pastebin.com/qruPEeQa
[15:46] <Thomas_Bates> well heh, I bought it from ThinkGeek, it is actually an 8GB drive in the watch. http://www.xonixe.com/products/USBWatch/spec.php  Watch X-UL
[15:46] <devildante> penguin42: an usb watch :P
[15:46] <Thomas_Bates> My computers both meet requirements (Linux 2.0 or higher)
[15:46] <penguin42> erm right, a usb watch ....
[15:46]  * Thomas_Bates actually needed one, despite your thoughts.
[15:47] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: OK, so do an lsusb with and without it plugged in - is there any difference at all? (I can't see it in that list); also take a dmesg before plugging it in and then after plugging it in - again, what lines get added
[15:51] <Thomas_Bates> without drive: http://pastebin.com/CxdjW8PH  with drive: http://pastebin.com/40Jt4rgA
[15:51] <Thomas_Bates> I can't fit DEMSG, it cuts off the entire thing
[15:52] <penguin42> have you got a before and after dmesg?
[15:52] <penguin42> you could just take the diff
[15:52] <Thomas_Bates> No, I mean it is cut off.
[15:52] <Thomas_Bates> In terminal
[15:53] <penguin42> odd
[15:53] <Thomas_Bates> There is too much, I scroll all the way back up and it is in the middle of displaying things
[15:53] <penguin42> do dmesg > before  then plug it in and do dmesg > after   and you should have two files
[15:53] <penguin42> called before and after
[15:53] <penguin42> well the good thing is it shows up in the lsusb
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> I don't think your getting me...
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> It cuts off the display in terminal, because there is too much
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> I can't give you a complete dmesg
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> before, or after.
[15:54] <Thomas_Bates> the last few lines are all USB related, however
[15:55] <Thomas_Bates> these are the last few: http://pastebin.com/Jh9D8LA7
[15:56] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: But what I mean is if you do   dmesg > afile   it'll put it all into a file rather than the terminal
[15:56] <Thomas_Bates> hmm
[15:57] <Thomas_Bates> That gives me a syntax error,
[15:57] <Thomas_Bates> hold on
[15:57] <penguin42> put a space before and after the >
[15:57] <Thomas_Bates> ...
[15:57]  * Thomas_Bates did.
[15:58] <penguin42> odd that really shouldn't give an error
[15:58] <Thomas_Bates> it is the location
[16:00] <Thomas_Bates> there we go
[16:01] <Thomas_Bates> Before Drive: http://pastebin.com/BCAMjK0N  After: http://pastebin.com/VRmkbiNa
[16:01]  * Thomas_Bates goes to Kompare
[16:02] <penguin42> hmm curious
[16:02] <penguin42> ok
[16:02] <njin> hello, someone using kubuntu can take a look at this ?https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/406403
[16:02] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 406403 in ubuntu "task manager always group even when the "only when taskbar is full" is checked (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[16:03] <Thomas_Bates> lines 926-948
[16:03] <penguin42> hey? That one only goes upto 925!
[16:03] <Thomas_Bates> odd
[16:03] <Thomas_Bates> I'll get you the difference
[16:04] <penguin42> the one at ...Na finishes with 925 [ 3537.048171] usb-storage: device scan complete
[16:05] <Thomas_Bates> these are the lines it is having an issue with apparently http://pastebin.com/YQxqJpgf
[16:07] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: OK, that's not good - did anything happen between 3537.048171 and the 3558.100731 that starts with?
[16:07] <Thomas_Bates> uhh
[16:08] <penguin42> the last entry in your previous paste bin is the 3537, the 1st one in that is 3558 - hence I wondered what's missing
[16:08] <Thomas_Bates> hmm
[16:08] <Thomas_Bates> Hold on
[16:11] <Thomas_Bates> Ok, I had to redo it because the generic names got me mixed up. Between without and with the drive, these are the only files that differ, and they differ withdrive http://pastebin.com/K421Nuda
[16:13] <penguin42> right, now that's the same as the first diff you showed, but the one at your ...pgf had much more errors in
[16:13] <penguin42> ok, 1st obvious one from those errors - unplug the drive, quit rhythmbox, make sure it's quit, and plug the drive in and see what happens -
[16:14] <Thomas_Bates> Is there a reason a media player would effect an empty USB drive...?
[16:14] <penguin42> it shouldn't unless the firmware is broken in the drive; but you can see in that log a complaint about a scsi command issued by rhyhtmbox
[16:15] <Thomas_Bates> rbox is quit, drive is plugged in
[16:15] <Thomas_Bates> interesting.
[16:15] <Thomas_Bates> That is quite odd.
[16:16] <Thomas_Bates> 8.5GB File System and something called "usb1" (which is pictured as a drive, unlike the other) have appeared in the places menu
[16:16] <Thomas_Bates> 8.5 File System won't open. usb1 takes me to /media/usb1
[16:17] <penguin42> promising
[16:17] <Thomas_Bates> Indeed it is
[16:17] <Thomas_Bates> How very peculiar.
[16:17] <penguin42> so does that work or just get further?
[16:17] <Thomas_Bates> Well
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> Normally, I can click on the thing that says xxGB File System, and it takes me there, but I guess this has the same effect
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> Let me put a file in and plug it into my other comp and see if it works
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> permission denied
[16:18] <Thomas_Bates> bah
[16:19] <penguin42> ok, do a df, a mount and a udisks --enumerate and pastebin the output
[16:20] <Thomas_Bates> btw, it says "unable to mount location: Internal error: No mount object for mounted volume
[16:20] <Thomas_Bates> alright,
[16:20] <penguin42> ok, now it's in that state get a dmesg
[16:21] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: Is this plugged straight in or via a hub, and if it's a hub is it a powered hub?
[16:21] <Thomas_Bates> currently, it is plugged into the actual computer, through an extender
[16:21] <penguin42> by an extender you mean just a normal cable or do you mean something that's special?
[16:22] <Thomas_Bates> nah, cable
[16:22] <penguin42> ok
[16:22] <Thomas_Bates> here is that, http://pastebin.com/YNMYiaVn
[16:22] <Thomas_Bates> Now you want another Dmesg?
[16:22] <penguin42> yeh
[16:23] <penguin42> well the output of df, mount and udisks looks ok, assuming usb1 is the device in question
[16:24] <Thomas_Bates> http://pastebin.com/uHZ2yGj6
[16:24] <Thomas_Bates> I believe it is
[16:24] <Thomas_Bates> Unless the other one has wiped my graphs off of it, in which case I'll be raging
[16:26] <penguin42> ok, well that looks happy enough
[16:26] <Thomas_Bates> alright
[16:27] <Thomas_Bates> hm
[16:27] <penguin42> so if it's just permission denied, try a sudo -s and see if you can write to it as root ?
[16:27] <Thomas_Bates> I can sudo move stuff in there
[16:27] <Thomas_Bates> just not in nautilus
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I think I can chown or something, but eh
[16:28] <penguin42> ok, well so that drive obviously doesn't like whatever rhythmbox did to it
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I'm fine with sudo mv or cp
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> yeah
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I suppose to use it I'll have to kill rythmbox
[16:28] <penguin42> With it mounted try doing a chmod a+rwx /media/usb1 or whatever it's called
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> I wonder if a different player will have the same effect
[16:28] <Thomas_Bates> ok
[16:29] <Thomas_Bates> Ops not permitted
[16:29] <penguin42> Thomas_Bates: I think it's most likely faulty firmware in the drive that's not recovering something properly
[16:29] <Thomas_Bates> alright
[16:29] <penguin42> it could be something rhythmbox is doing that is nasty, but I guess a scsi expert would have to pick over the command and see whether it was fair
[16:29] <Thomas_Bates> The driver which came with it was for Win98, which freaked me out a tad
[16:31] <penguin42> I'm guessing that's just adding usb disks to 98 or the like
[16:31] <penguin42> usb storage should just work !
[16:31] <Thomas_Bates> Probably, what shocked me was that people still use Win98
[16:32] <Thomas_Bates> Apart from things which it is good for, I mean
[16:32] <Thomas_Bates> si
[16:32] <penguin42> I doubt many do, but I guess it's a stock CD from somewhere
[16:33] <Thomas_Bates> Probably
[16:33] <Thomas_Bates> I changed permissions with sudo chmod, but I'm still getting a permission denied.
[16:33] <Thomas_Bates> And without sudo, it says Op denied
[16:34] <penguin42> weird
[16:34] <Thomas_Bates> Yep
[16:34] <Thomas_Bates> But I'm happy it is working at all
[16:37] <penguin42> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB has a thing about permissions
[16:38] <Thomas_Bates> Between my lappy and my desktop, it mounts differently. I know I messed with FSTAB on the desktop
[16:38] <Thomas_Bates> thanks
[16:40] <penguin42> but I'm fairly sure I've heard of other with permissions on flash drives
[16:41] <Thomas_Bates> Yeah, so have I, just never had them myself.
[16:42] <Thomas_Bates> I am just wondering why, rather than mounting as the CBM name, it is mounting the folder it is supposed to be mounted to
[16:42] <Thomas_Bates> It is still writing to the device, so it doesn't really matter
[16:42] <Thomas_Bates> I just find it odd
[16:49] <Thomas_Bates> Thanks for the help penguin, it is much appreciated, I'm going to make some changes and reboot
[16:49] <penguin42> no problem
[17:51] <devildante> penguin42: thanks for helping thomas :)
[17:53] <yofel> does anyone know if there's a reason why there aren't any -dbgsym packages for -backports ?
[17:54] <penguin42> devildante: No problem
[18:08] <njin> help, in plymouth, sametimes appear the phrase: Checking of drives. i want to know at wich package assign the translation of this phrase? thanks
[18:10] <yofel> I *think* mountall
[18:10] <yofel> let's see if that's translatable..
[18:10] <njin> njin huges yofel
[18:13] <yofel> njin: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/mountall/+pots/mountall/ I think
[18:13] <yofel> that's for maverick
[18:16] <njin> yofel:thanks, looking
[18:25] <njin> yofel: strike, thanks
[18:36] <njin> yofel: at wich package assign ati restricted?
[18:37] <njin> yofel: we don't support propritary driver, right ?
[18:39] <yofel> source package should be fglrx-installer
[18:39] <yofel> well, we do support it, we can't fix driver crashes obviously
[18:42] <njin> yofel: then in this case we cannot fix the problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/407167
[18:42] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 407167 in ubuntu "black spaces and spots displaying in various parts of the desktop (affects: 1) (heat: 9)" [Undecided,New]
[18:43] <penguin42> njin: I'd make sure it's reported against the fglrx-installer package though - then the guys who maintain that can think about it
[18:43] <penguin42> njin: But that is an old bug (9.04) so it's worth asking if it still does it
[18:45] <njin> ok, i assign to fglrx-installer asking if still present with latest packages
[21:42] <njin> there's a reason because from <IP_ADDRESS> is not possible charge phones means battery ?
[21:42] <njin> *means Usb
[21:44] <njin> i'm connected again '
[21:44] <njin> ?
[21:45] <njin> penguin42: there's a reason because from <IP_ADDRESS> is not possible charge phones means Usb ?
[21:47] <penguin42> depends on the phone - some of them a bit odd, also can depend on power budget on each port; don't know of any specific kernel versionism
[21:47] <njin> pok, i've a nokia and a bug with a nokia
[22:13] <MichealH> \o
[22:46] <njin> goodnight everybody, see you soon


[01:46] <rlameiro> rsalveti: are you there?
[02:42] <persia> rlameiro, Just quiet on the weekends, mostly.  I don't believe there are too many hobbyists here yet.
[02:42] <rlameiro> :)
[02:42] <rlameiro> well, here I am
[02:42] <rlameiro> fiddling with it
[02:42] <persia> Yep :)
[02:43] <rlameiro> on top of that the video output is shifting completely the image on the tv to the left and overscaning
[02:43] <rlameiro> ...
[02:44] <rlameiro> there is something on the ubuntu kernel/uInitrd that bypass the uboot omafbdirectives
[02:44] <rlameiro> fbcvt
[13:35] <dcordes> hi
[13:35] <dcordes> ogra: Any smartbook news ?
[13:38] <ogra_cmpc> dcordes, http://tosh-ac100.wetpaint.com/thread/4253563/kernel+boot
[13:39] <dcordes> ogra_cmpc: good stuff
[13:51] <marvin24_> hi, we also have a channel (another one ;-) -> #ac100
[13:53] <ogra_cmpc> marvin24, awesome
[13:54]  * ogra_cmpc joins
[14:24] <ogra_cmpc> persia, ^^^^
[14:25] <dcordes> marvin24_: cool
[14:25] <persia> I'm excited, but don't have the attention for another channel just now.
[14:25] <ogra_cmpc> persia, i meant the url :)
[14:26] <persia> the URL looks very promising indeed.
[14:26] <ogra_cmpc> yes
[14:26] <ogra_cmpc> i can boot android from a local kernel
[14:26] <ogra_cmpc> using this reciepe
[14:26] <persia> Can you boot a useful operating system?
[14:27] <ogra_cmpc> probably ... the prob is that i cant get any visible console
[14:27] <dcordes> ah
[14:27] <dcordes> common androidism
[14:27] <persia> consoles are overrated :)
[14:28] <ogra_cmpc> trying the tegra kernel with omap4 rootfs doesnt get me anywhere either
[14:28]  * ogra_cmpc just tries with a panda SD here
[14:30] <dcordes> ogra_cmpc: check if you have framebuffer console (fbcon) enabled in your kernel ( /proc/conf.gz )
[14:30] <ogra_cmpc> dcordes, its off
[14:30] <ogra_cmpc> thats the prob :)
[14:30] <dcordes> ogra_cmpc: ok. did you also request the sources ?
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc> no
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc> and i didnt checl the link from the EULA for two weeks either
[14:31] <ogra_cmpc> ac100 is a weekend project for me
[14:32] <ogra_cmpc> so i'm very slow on it
[14:32] <dcordes> to me all of this is a weekend project ;)
[17:27] <ogra_cmpc> persia, so i have a way to run a full ubuntu netboot session ... but no input devices work at all
[17:28] <ogra_cmpc> s/netboot/netbook
[17:51] <ajay> hi all , i have connected usb to serial adapter which is detected as /dev/ttyUSB0 and then i have connected to it a straight null modem cable which i have shorted at 2 and 3 pin number but  i am not able print anything in minicom or getting echo of it
[22:56] <persia> ogra, Nice progress.  My recommendation would be to start an image that allowed ssh so you can get in there, and then play with input-utils to see where things are wrong: sounds like issues with the HID drivers.
[23:01] <ogra_cmpc> persia, heh, that would require xinput to work at all
[23:02] <ogra_cmpc> the system is still chrooted
[23:02] <ogra_cmpc> no udev, no upstart
[23:03] <ogra_cmpc> the android system is the most minimal but its still a chrooted android
[23:03] <persia> Ah, without udev, I have little advice.  But working with ssh/input-utils shouldn't require xinput for a properly constructed image.
[23:04] <ogra_cmpc> well, the touchpad works with an xorg.conf
[23:04] <persia> And if input-utils can't deal with a device, the chances that xinput knows what to do are strikingly low (unless, for some reason, one is dealing with non-HID devices)
[23:04] <ogra_cmpc> the kbd is recognized in the logfile
[23:04] <ogra_cmpc> but doesnt hand anything through
[23:04] <ogra_cmpc> [ 11283.000] Generic KBD: dropping event due to full queue!
[23:05] <ogra_cmpc> thats what i see in the log
[23:05] <persia> Touchpad can be fixed with some udev properties then: that's trivial.  keyboard probably still requires fiddling with input-utils to make sure there is connectivity, symbol mapping, etc.
[23:05] <ogra_cmpc> i dont need to ssh ... androids adb shell is running
[23:07] <persia> If you don't need to ssh, install input-utils, and try to probe the keyboard.  I've locked up a couple systems doing that with exceedingly exotic input devices, (reboot was always clean), but usually they get enough low-level information that one can make the higher levels work.  Might need udev properties.  Might need remapping.  Might need explicit support in the HID driver, etc.
[23:09] <ogra_cmpc> well,, no udev properties possible without udev :)
[23:11] <persia> No, but it's possible to determine which properties are required :)
[23:11]  * persia really ought file some remapping for the Saitek Commander one of these days.
[23:11] <ogra_cmpc> /dev/input/event0
[23:11] <ogra_cmpc> protocol version mismatch (expected 65537, got 65536)
[23:12] <ogra_cmpc> thats what i get for :/# input-kbd /dev/input/event0
[23:14] <ogra_cmpc> same thing for input-evente
[23:14] <ogra_cmpc> *input-events
[23:14] <persia> Bother.  I thought I fixed that.
[23:15] <ogra_cmpc> well, given the million lines of " Generic KBD: dropping event due to full queue!" in the xorg log ...
[23:15] <ogra_cmpc> that might not actually be input-utils fault
[23:16] <ogra_cmpc> i wish we still would build the old kbd driver for x
[23:16] <ogra_cmpc> so i had actually some alternative to try
[23:16] <ogra_cmpc> but there is only evdev nowadays
[23:17] <persia> input-utils queries the kernel directly.  Nothing to do with X.  It makes debugging the new X input scheme *much* easier.  This is all good: don't be nostalgic: it used to take forever for those of us who cared to painstakingly map things in the kernel and then *do it all over again* in an X driver.
[23:18] <persia> Try `input-kbd 0` rather than /dev/input/event0
[23:18] <persia> Also, try lsinput to make sure 0 is your keyboard :)
[23:21] <ogra_cmpc> :/# lsinput
[23:21] <ogra_cmpc> /dev/input/event0
[23:21] <ogra_cmpc> protocol version mismatch (expected 65537, got 65536)
[23:21] <persia> Right.  Kernel bug :)
[23:21] <ogra_cmpc> well
[23:22] <ogra_cmpc> [12262.640000] init: untracked pid 20189 exited
[23:22] <ogra_cmpc> android *is* a kernel bug
[23:22] <persia> Yep.
[23:22]  * persia decides to sort out why the W axis isn't working on this mouse another day, and goes in search of food.
[23:23] <ogra_cmpc> yeah, i'll better finish the day :)


[20:11] <Rinchen> Did the fridge email list get the Launchpad Logo email?  I didn't see it
[20:15] <beuno> Rinchen, didn't seem to, no
[20:15] <beuno> oh
[20:15] <beuno> actually
[20:15] <beuno> yes it did
[20:15] <Rinchen> oh good
[20:15] <beuno> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/private/fridge-devel/2008-January/004790.html
[20:15] <Rinchen> scared me
[20:15] <Rinchen> it was sent a while ago
[20:16] <Rinchen> whew
[20:16] <beuno> :D
[20:16] <beuno> what's wrong with the current logo?
[20:16] <beuno> I really like it
[20:18] <Rinchen> we've gotten "complaints" that it looks like the marvin the martian cartoon
[20:18] <Rinchen> which is copyrighted
[20:19] <Rinchen> in fact, he appears in the lp-dev logo :-)
[20:19] <beuno> really???  :/
[20:19]  * beuno goes google "marvin the martian"
[20:20] <beuno> ah
[20:20] <Rinchen> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/7302205/launchpad-mugshot-dev.png
[20:20] <Rinchen> I think that was done as a joke (and it's really funny to me actually)
[20:20] <Rinchen> But we decided to hold a community contest
[20:21] <beuno> it'll be interesting to see what comes up
[20:21] <Rinchen> yeah. A bit nervous that we'll get no or a few bad submissions
[20:22] <beuno> maybe Mark should do a quick post to get some hype going
[20:22] <Rinchen> I was hoping UWN and the Fridge would help with that ;-)
[20:22] <Rinchen> it went to the planet with the blog post
[20:22] <beuno> I'm sure boredandblogging will take care of UWN
[20:23] <beuno> and the fridge, well, you've got the account
[20:23] <Rinchen> conflict of interest for me :-)
[20:24] <Rinchen> I need to have you guys agree and do it
[20:24] <beuno> right, well, I'll see what I can do then  ;)
[20:24] <Rinchen> otherwise it looks like Canonical is heavy-handing it...
[20:24] <beuno> gotta run now, but I'll be back later
[20:24] <Rinchen> Hopefully you'll agree. :-)
[20:25] <beuno> :D
[20:26] <Rinchen> But if anything I pass on is not newsworthy then I'm with that.
[20:26] <Rinchen> I'm OK with that


[00:53] <Ahmuck-Sr> i'm trying to boot another set of ltsp clients to see how well they work, however they don't have a pxe boot option which means i'll have to create a etherboot cdrom.  any hints
[01:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> i need to find the chipset of a thin client
[01:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> [19:10] <Ahmuck-Sr> after trying 3 different pc, different make, model, brand, the sound still drops out after about 4-6 minutes
[13:09] <vmlintu> highvoltage: hi, I wrote about the ldap+kerberos thoughts in edubuntu-devel and also went through the old blueprints..
[13:39] <highvoltage> vmlintu: great! I'll get to my email in just a few moments, I saw yesterday on the debian-edu list that they're discussing kerberos too
[13:58] <vmlintu> highvoltage: ok, I'll have a look at debian-edu
[14:08] <vmlintu> highvoltage: it seems like in debian-edu the plans are more or less same that we are working on right now
[14:09] <vmlintu> There's also talk about laptop authentication with pam-ccreds etc. We tried those, but there were quite a few problems. Now it looks like sssd from fedoraproject is the solution to this
[14:10] <vmlintu> There's more information about sssd here: http://www.opinsys.fi/user-management-with-sssd-on-shared-laptops
[14:10] <vmlintu> Basically it makes ldap/kerberos work also offline with minimum hassle. We are now testing it in one school and so far everything looks really good.
[14:21] <highvoltage> vmlintu: sounds great, I wonder if the debian-edu guys are aware of it
[14:22] <vmlintu> highvoltage: I think debian doesn't have sssd packaged, but it's in ubuntu
[14:23] <vmlintu> I just subscribed to debian-edu
[14:23] <vmlintu> We are now using sssd on lucid against our ldap/kerberos infrastructure running hardy
[14:33] <highvoltage> vmlintu: perhaps if debian-edu finds sssd useful they could get it into debian
[14:34] <vmlintu> I could only recommend that
[14:35] <highvoltage> yep, it's entirely up to them, would just be nice to have the implementations more or less similar if possible
[14:36] <vmlintu> sssd is part of the FreeIPA project that many blueprints suggested as a solution for user management in Ubuntu
[14:36] <vmlintu> http://www.freeipa.org/
[14:38] <highvoltage> vmlintu: will look at it a bit later, currently in the middle of fixing some release bugs :)
[14:38] <vmlintu> good to get those fixed
[14:39] <vmlintu> I'll be online most of the evening
[14:49] <highvoltage> ok great
[14:59] <sbalneav> Morning all
[15:00] <vmlintu> evening
[15:09] <highvoltage> greetings sbalneav
[15:39] <mhall119> morning
[16:06] <jongbergs> !hi
[16:08] <jongbergs> hi, i forgot to install italc during edubuntu installation, how do i install it from directly from dvd?
[16:09] <alkisg> jongbergs: you can just install it from synaptic like any other package...
[16:10] <sbalneav> Assuming you've got the dvd lines in your apt's sources.list, just installing it from synaptic should work
[16:10] <sbalneav> doh
[16:10] <sbalneav> alkisg: beat me to it :)
[16:10] <alkisg> :)
[16:16] <jongbergs> alkisg, sbalneav : thanks for the tip guys, i should verify first whether the dvd is in the list..
[16:16] <alkisg> jongbergs: if you have internet access you don't need to bother with the dvd - just double click it on synaptic...
[16:17] <jongbergs> alkisg: this computer do not have internet access..will this work?
[16:18] <alkisg> It should - give it a try...
[16:19] <jongbergs> alkisg: ok i'll give it a try..tell u back how it works out..thanks again
[18:38] <bencrisford> highvoltage: did you get my ping yesterday about the teams blueprint?  should I add it to the meeting agenda
[19:02] <vmlintu> highvoltage: should I do something else about the wishlist stuff besides posting to the list?
[19:04] <sbalneav> How the heck do we turn off all the super-duper chatty help dialogs that keep popping up in the lower right?!
[19:04] <sbalneav> On my fresh testing install here, it's noisy as heck, but on my home box, nada :)
[19:07] <bencrisford> sbalneav: chatty help dialogs?
[19:08] <vmlintu> I've yet to see those too..
[19:14] <bencrisford> highvoltage: did you get my ping about getting my ping :P?
[19:14] <bencrisford> you disconnected 3 seconds after i sent
[19:14] <bencrisford> so i assumed not
[19:15] <bencrisford> "did you get my ping yesterday about the teams blueprint?  should I add it to the meeting agenda" - that one
[19:18] <vmlintu> sbalneav: as you've been doing ldap related things before, do you have plans for 10.10 in that front?
[19:22] <sbalneav> vmlintu: Yes, hopefully
[19:26] <vmlintu> sbalneav: I remember there was a spec for user management tool, but I couldn't find it anymore
[19:29] <vmlintu> If there are plans on this front, I'd be really interested in seeing if I can help somewhere.
[19:30] <vmlintu> I wrote about our needs on edubuntu-devel and I understand that not everyone is facing the problems, but I hope that different use cases don't end up using incompatible solutions
[19:34] <highvoltage> vmlintu: posting to the list is fine, it's early days so it's more of a brainstorming phase atm. thanks!
[19:34] <highvoltage> bencrisford: no I plugged in a USB disk into my mac mini and it just froze up
[19:46] <stgraber> meeting in 15min
[19:58] <highvoltage> meeting in 2min
[19:59] <bencrisford> highvoltage: okey doke, mind if i say something about that blueprint
[20:00] <bencrisford> in the meeting i mean ;)
[20:32] <bencrisford> isforinsects: hi
[20:45] <highvoltage> isforinsects: specialization is?
[20:46] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i forgot to mention in the meeting, a suggestion on the wiki for edubuntu-advocacy to become a member of ubuntu-marketing
[20:47] <bencrisford> sounds like a good idea to me, what do you think?
[20:50] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I remember at some point there was a decision to just merge edubuntu-advocacy to into ubuntu-marketing...
[20:50] <highvoltage> bencrisford: but I don't think it ever happened, I think your suggestion is good it's probably not a bad idea to show the relationship to ubuntu-marketing in LP
[21:01] <bencrisford> highvoltage: shall i add edubuntu-advocacy to ubuntu-marketing then?
[21:04] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I can't think of a reason not to, my brain doesn't want to brain atm. Yes I think you can go ahead and do that
[21:04] <highvoltage> if there's any reason not to someone will probably speak up :)
[21:05] <bencrisford> highvoltage: haha, i know what you mean, ive been off school for 2 weeks barely sleeping, and now i'm back at school i seem to have forgotten how to :(
[21:06] <bencrisford> ill add the team, and if theres anything wrong with it, like you say, I imagine someone will say something :)
[21:08] <highvoltage> yup
[21:38] <bencrisford> highvoltage: what was your NerdScore again?
[21:39] <highvoltage> bencrisford: 80.
[21:39] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I'm surprised it wasn't lower
[21:39] <bencrisford> highvoltage: 95 :(
[21:39] <highvoltage> hehe :)
[21:40] <bencrisford> im too young to be *that* much of a nerd D=, I prefer the word 'geek' personally
[21:41] <vmlintu> highvoltage: I'm gonna bug you with one more thing - do you know what would be the best way of contacting the server team about the ldap stuff to know if they have some plans?
[21:43] <bencrisford> vmlintu: the ubuntu-server team?
[21:43] <bencrisford> i think they're on the #ubuntu-server channel :)
[21:43]  * bencrisford finds mailing list
[21:44] <vmlintu> thanks, I'll try there.. the discussion there usually more about lamp than anything else, so it confused me..
[21:45] <bencrisford> ubuntu-server(AT)lists.ubuntu.com - thats the development mailing list i think
[21:45] <highvoltage> vmlintu: the ubuntu-server channel is ok, but the best way is really to use the mailing list
[21:46] <vmlintu> ok
[22:14] <bencrisford> im off for the night
[22:14] <bencrisford> see y'all tommorrow