[05:39] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, em, why did you break ktp...
[05:39] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, i don;t know. I also don;t know how
[05:39] <Noskcaj> please fix
[05:39] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I don't know how too, what's the issue again?
[05:40] <Noskcaj> FTBFS
[05:40] <smartboyhw> I thought you should just ask for fakesync (as Riddell said)
[05:40] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, log?
[05:41] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-call-ui/0.6.3-1ubuntu1/+build/4894045
[05:41] <Noskcaj> i don't have to today. Can you do the everything? please?
[05:42] <smartboyhw> !find telepathy-farstream/telepathy-farstream.h
[05:42] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, include that
[05:42] <smartboyhw> I mean, libtelepathy-farstream-dev as build-dep
[05:42] <smartboyhw> Should be simple.
[05:43] <smartboyhw> Eh, I will do it anyway
[15:44] <hggdh> balloons: Is there going to be any session on apport/ubuntu-bug/bugs?
[15:45] <hggdh> generically, bug opening & triage, I guess
[15:45]  * smartboyhw thought that is bdmurray's territory
[20:09] <phillw> hggdh: brian is on vacation afaik. I did get him to do a classroom session earlier in the cycle. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy#Reporting_Bugs has those details.
[20:12] <hggdh> phillw: thanks
[20:14] <phillw> hggdh: I'm quite happy to the 'basic' one if no one from bug-squad is available. We have also been busy updating the wiki area, which some of the ubuntu-bug team have helped greatly with. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Bugs is the link to that area.


[00:12] <ScottK> uni4dfx: The policy was set by Ubuntu, so #ubuntu-bugs is the place to discuss it.
[00:13] <uni4dfx> sorry to annoy you here :)
[02:11] <plars> there is no activity log link in the bug reports now? was this a conscious decision?
[02:13] <wgrant> plars: Bug #436818
[02:13] <plars> wgrant: ah, thanks
[02:32] <bjsnider> having difficulty dputting to ppa, getting errno 111
[02:33] <wgrant> bjsnider: Indeed, the FTP server is dead.
[02:33] <bjsnider> wow, really?
[02:33] <bjsnider> dead?
[02:33] <wgrant> It crashes sometimes.
[02:33] <bjsnider> that would interfere with the ftp upload, without doubt
[02:38] <mdz> I don't seem to be able to mark private bugs as public anymore
[02:38] <mdz> the "(!)" icon is visible while the page is loading, but then disappears
[02:38] <wgrant> mdz: Use !WebKit for now.
[02:41] <wgrant> bjsnider: Fixed now.
[02:41] <mdz> wgrant, LP bug or WebKit bug?
[02:41] <wgrant> mdz: LP.
[02:43] <wgrant> mdz: bug #397457
[02:56] <cyberix> I cannot figure out how to report bugs in 3.0
[02:56] <wgrant> cyberix: You're looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/, aren't you?
[02:56] <cyberix> Well, I have been bouncing around all over the site
[02:57] <wgrant> cyberix: https://launchpad.net/PROJECT wasn't one of the places you ended up?
[02:58] <cyberix> I go to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:58] <cyberix> I click on "Report a bug"
[02:58] <cyberix> I end up at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[02:58] <wgrant> Did you read that page?
[02:58] <cyberix> I scimmed it trough
[02:58] <wgrant> (this is an Ubuntu-specific thing, nothing to do with LP 3.0)
[02:58] <RenatoSilva> translations export are said to be daily, but they're not being. Not even after pushing changes to the po and pot files
[02:59] <cyberix> It seems I need to make some software crash so I get to reporting a bug
[02:59] <wgrant> cyberix: That page thoroughly describes all methods of filing an Ubuntu bug, in order of preference.
[02:59] <wgrant> cyberix: Only one method on that page requires it....
[03:00] <RenatoSilva> also fyi milestone deletion is not working
[03:00] <cyberix> I was going to file a [needs-packaging] bug
[03:01] <cyberix> I cannot see which category that would fit in
[03:01] <wgrant> cyberix: Yes, that is a problem. See the "Filing bugs at Launchpad.net" section.
[03:01] <wgrant> Again, this is an Ubuntu policy decision, and not anything to do with the LP 3.0 UI changes.
[03:02] <cyberix> So I have to link the bug to some existing package
[03:02] <cyberix> interesting
[03:03] <wgrant> No.
[03:03] <wgrant> Ah, it doesn't say how to avoid it. Omit the '+source/PACKAGENAME/'
[03:11] <cyberix> wgrant: I fixed that
[03:12] <cyberix> wgrant: Thanks for patience
[03:12] <wgrant> cyberix: np
[03:46] <MTecknology> spm: You around?
[03:46] <wgrant> spm: Hopefully not at lunch time on Saturday.
[03:46] <wgrant> Er.
[03:46] <MTecknology> wgrant: maybe you?
[03:46] <wgrant> MTecknology: ^^
[03:46] <MTecknology> wgrant: can I forward you an interesting email?
[03:47] <MTecknology> entirely LP related
[03:47] <wgrant> MTecknology: If you so desire, and it is not enticing me to increase the size of my body parts.
[03:47] <MTecknology> wgrant: it's along that line though
[03:49] <MTecknology> it might just be somebody infected w/ a virus trying to reply to every email addy - which is why I think it might be good for you to be aware of
[03:49] <wgrant> MTecknology: You mean it's spam? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion if the user hasn't been killed yet.
[03:49] <wgrant> I don't see what me being aware does.
[03:50] <MTecknology> wgrant: I know the user is fine - I just wanted to say something about it - just noticed the part about an update to a deactivated project
[04:26] <Peng_> One of my mirrored branches is in a slightly odd state: 1.) It failed to mirror last time -- network issue or somesuch. 2.) It says "Updating branch...", "processing changes" and all. It seems broken branches do that now. 3.) The given repository format is out-of-date. It changed recently. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mnordhoff/loggerhead/pretty-url
[04:26] <Peng_> Is there anything bug-worthy about that?
[04:29] <wgrant> Peng_: 2) is known.
[04:29] <wgrant> I think 3) should fix itself when the mirror happens, but I'm not entirely sure.
[04:33] <Peng_> wgrant: <3
[04:34] <Peng_> The thing is, the repo format changed before the last mirror. But it was 1.9 -> 2a, so it was affected by that bug that was recently fixed.
[04:34] <Peng_> So it might take a while for the format change to sink in. Shrug.
[04:35] <Peng_> Pizza! Bye. :P
[04:50] <ScottK> wgrant: You wouldn't happen to know if there's anyone around that could look into why suddenly I can't accept packages anymore via the LP UI (suddenly like in the last 10 minute)?
[04:50] <KIAaze> hi, I'm getting the following error when trying to upload with dput: Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused. Any ideas?
[04:51] <ScottK> OK, Got one.  Maybe kdebase-workspace is just too big.
[04:52] <KIAaze> ?
[04:53] <ScottK> KIAaze: Different conversation, not related to you.
[05:02] <KIAaze> to be able to upload to my PPA, I just need a GPG key registered at launchpad, no?
[05:06] <alkisg1> Older builds are deleted from launchpad, right? E.g. a ppa now has "package 1.5", and 3 months before it had "package 1.3", could I somehow get the binaries for package 1.3?
[06:02] <Peng_> Am I a terrible person if I use OpenSSH's "ControlMaster" to leave a connection open to LP all the time?
[06:15] <alkisg> I can copy packages from the Ubuntu primary archive to my PPA from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+copy-packages?field.series_filter=karmic&field.name_filter=PACKAGE_YOU_WANT
[06:15] <alkisg> Can I also copy packages from jaunty-proposed or jaunty-backports?
[07:19] <pro-rsoft> my rules file's "install" should install into something like $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/include/ right?
[07:19] <pro-rsoft> cause I've just uploaded a source package but I notice that none of the built files get packaged
[08:41] <pro-rsoft> is it possible to cancel a build?
[09:07] <KIAaze> just wanted to say I solved my upload problem: the .dput.cf file was incorrect. Luckily, I had an old backup somewhere.
[09:08] <KIAaze> it now looks liks this: [launchpad-login]
[09:08] <KIAaze> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[09:08] <KIAaze> method = ftp
[09:08] <KIAaze> incoming = ~launchpad-login/ubuntu
[09:08] <KIAaze> login = anonymous
[09:08] <KIAaze> allow_unsigned_uploads = 0
[09:40] <wgrant> pro-rsoft: No, its not possible to cancel a build.
[09:41] <pro-rsoft> ok, thanks
[09:43] <KIAaze> it seems launchpad has changed a lot recently. Is it now impossible to download packages from a PPA directly?
[09:44] <KIAaze> ah ok
[09:44] <KIAaze> view package details
[10:23] <dreamcat4> Hello. I want to add my project's mailinglist automatically for any bug notifications
[10:24] <dreamcat4> but would like to make sure they don't see my user account's emails about other things
[10:24] <dreamcat4> ?
[10:25] <wgrant> dreamcat4: Why do you want the emails to go to the mailing list? I find it's generally a better idea to let people subscribe themselves.
[10:25] <dreamcat4> because it's where we discuss our bugs
[10:25] <wgrant> Don't you discuss your bugs on the bug?
[10:26] <dreamcat4> we just want others to see a new bug come in (who aren't on launchpad but subscribe to highload-php-en mailinglist)
[10:27] <dreamcat4> otherwise they generally wouldn't see it
[10:27] <wgrant> Ah, so this isn't a Launchpad mailing list?
[10:27] <dreamcat4> we aren't 100% launchpad
[10:27] <dreamcat4> it's a google group + nginx forum
[10:27] <wgrant> I see.
[10:27] <dreamcat4> (and is well established)
[10:28] <wgrant> Is the mailing list the contact address for a team?
[10:28] <dreamcat4> (so i can't go around just asking everyone to get a launchpad account)
[10:28] <dreamcat4> i dont know but ill go & check right now
[10:29] <dreamcat4> its not yet been set by the team owner
[10:29] <dreamcat4> https://launchpad.net/~php-fpm
[10:30] <wgrant> If it was, an admin of the team could just subscribe the team to all bug notifications.
[10:30] <dreamcat4> that's great. thank you
[10:31] <wgrant> (at https://launchpad.net/php-fpm/+subscribe)
[10:38] <dreamcat4> have now emailed the group admin with these instructions, thank you
[10:38] <dreamcat4> bye
[14:28] <pro-rsoft> how to force dput to upload my orig.tar.gz? it doesn't, and lp complains about that
[14:28] <av`> pro-rsoft, which error do you get?
[14:29] <av`> I don't see the point in 'forcing' to dput a orig. file
[14:29] <av`> pro-rsoft, if you did things properly you should see it in your .changes file,
[14:30] <pro-rsoft> Rejected:
[14:30] <pro-rsoft> Unable to find artoolkit_2.72.1+20070927.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.
[14:30] <pro-rsoft> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[14:30] <av`> pro-rsoft, wrong debuild
[14:30] <pro-rsoft> hm, what should I do to fix it then?
[14:31] <av`> #ubuntu-motu is your channel now :)
[14:31] <wgrant> pro-rsoft: Give the '-sa' option to debuild.
[14:31] <ScottK> av`: Not particularly, unless he's trying to upload to the Ubuntu archive.
[14:32] <av`> ScottK, debuild flags are not the right things to discuss on #launchpad, I guess
[14:32] <ScottK> av`: PPA packaging isn't the right thing to discuss on #ubuntu-motu.
[14:32] <av`> ScottK, debuild is not strictly related to PPA, it's a general packaging tool
[14:33] <av`> ScottK, I can use debuild also outside PPA
[14:33] <ScottK> Right, but #ubuntu-motu isn't the channel for everyone in the work that feels like using Debian packaging tools.
[14:33] <av`> don't know which channel would be fine for such issues then
[14:34] <ScottK> It's a problem that the Launchpad team doesn't support their users then.
[14:34] <av`> yep
[14:35] <av`> pro-rsoft, start doing your work on a clean tree and follow wgrant's suggestion
[14:35] <pro-rsoft> wgrant, thanks!
[14:35] <pro-rsoft> this works
[14:48] <cyberix> I read about PPA-pages being split to a user page, and a developer page
[14:49] <cyberix> How do I find both of these?
[17:13] <picklesworth> So, is it just me or does anyone else get pointed to this help page upon clicking the "Report a bug" button from Ubuntu's Launchpad page? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[17:20] <ScottK> picklesworth: It's on purpose.
[17:22] <picklesworth> Ah... I guess reading the help page will help
[17:27] <pwnguin> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/83874
[17:27] <pwnguin> how did that get marked solved?
[17:42] <ulysses__> hello
[17:43] <ulysses__> I want to report a bug in Ubuntu, but the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug redirects me to the Ubuntu Wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs)
[17:52] <ulysses__> is this a bug, or this is a feature?
[17:53] <LarstiQ> ulysses__: feature
[17:54] <ulysses__> ...
[17:54] <ulysses__> thanks
[17:54] <LarstiQ> ulysses__: Ubuntu has a bug reporting procedure they want followed
[17:57] <ulysses__> so then I should live with them, however it is very strange
[17:57] <LarstiQ> why is that strange?
[17:59] <ulysses__> before launchpad 3.0 released, I opened the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug page, choosed the right package from the search form, and then wrote the reprt
[17:59]  * LarstiQ doesn't know ubuntu enough to say what changed
[18:00] <ulysses__> not an Ubuntu bug, it's in the kubuntu-docs package, some small mistake only:)
[18:00]  * ulysses__ translates kubuntu-docs to hungarian
[18:04] <napsy> Hello. I've imported my project from github. Later I cloned the branch from launchpad using bzr but now I can't push. I get a "readonly transport" eror. Is this fixable without re-cloning the branch?
[18:04] <LarstiQ> napsy: yes
[18:04] <napsy> how?
[18:04] <LarstiQ> napsy: you're likely trying to push to http://, instead of bzr+ssh:// or sftp://
[18:05] <napsy> Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/gsfm/trunk/
[18:05] <napsy> this is what bzr push prints out
[18:06] <napsy> I did set up my launchpad username and imported my ssh public key
[18:06] <LarstiQ> ah
[18:06] <LarstiQ> ~vcs-imports is not writable to your user
[18:06] <napsy> hum so what can I do now?
[18:07] <LarstiQ> napsy: you can push to lp:~napsy/gsfm/trunk instead
[18:08] <napsy> cool it works
[18:08] <napsy> But I got this "Created new stacked branch referring to /~vcs-imports/gsfm/trunk"
[18:08] <napsy> what does it mean?
[18:08] <LarstiQ> napsy: do you intend to switch development from github to launchpad? Or should vcs-imports continue pulling across?
[18:08] <napsy> I intend to switch to launchpad
[18:09] <LarstiQ> napsy: that means it hasn't uploaded _all_ revisions to ~napsy/gsfm/trunk, but instead it knows to look in ~vcs-imports/gsfm/trunk for revisions it doesn't have itself
[18:09] <LarstiQ> napsy: sorta like hardlinking
[18:09] <napsy> ok
[18:10] <napsy> how do I now unlink my branch from vcs-imports?
[18:11] <LarstiQ> good question
[18:11]  * LarstiQ needs to find a webbrowser
[18:12] <LarstiQ> napsy: there is a --no-stack on bzr push I think for creating branches
[18:13] <napsy> hm ok hm
[18:14] <napsy> I have now two branches, one is trunk and the other is luka-napotnik/gsfm/trunk with my latest code
[18:14] <napsy> can I delete the trunk branch and rename the other one?
[18:15] <LarstiQ> napsy: yup
[18:18] <napsy> hum apperently I can't delete trunk
[18:20] <LarstiQ> you should be able to afaik
[18:20] <LarstiQ> but you can at least rename it?
[18:22] <napsy> Yes I can rename the branch. But I want only one official lp:gsfm/trunk branc not "personal" branch
[18:24] <LarstiQ> right
[18:24] <LarstiQ> the official trunk is managed by setting the series focus
[18:24] <LarstiQ> you can select a different branch for it there
[19:27] <napsy> if I /part
[19:57] <\u03b5> is there a place to give feedback on lp's new look?
[19:58] <ScottK> \u03b5: https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[19:58] <\u03b5> ah, hm
[21:18] <Tack> Is keyserver.ubuntu.com dead for anyone else, or is it just me?
[21:19] <ulysses__> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:19] <Tack> Is downforeveryoneorjustme.com down for everyone else, or is it just me?
[21:19] <Tack> Kidding, great site.
[21:20] <Tack> Anyone here in a position to fix? :)
[21:26] <ScottK> Tack: You can use subkeys.pgp.net.  Ubuntu keys are mirrored there.
[21:27] <Tack> ScottK: Ah perfect, thanks.
[22:20] <SiDi> hi there
[22:20] <SiDi> i cant seem to be able to report a bug in an ubuntu package in the new launchpad
[22:20] <SiDi> it keeps redirecting me to the wiki
[22:20] <ulysses__> a moment
[22:21] <ulysses__> it was changed, so you should open this link: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/PACKAGENAME/+filebug?no-redirect
[22:21] <ulysses__> replace PACKAGENAME with the name of the package, what you want to report
[22:22] <SiDi> ulysses__: thanks
[22:22] <SiDi> thats quite a weird practice, though
[22:22] <ulysses__> yeah, I find it also strange:P
[22:23] <cyberix> It will probably help with the amount of incomming bugs
[22:23] <cyberix> That might drop to zero :-D
[22:23] <ulysses__> :D
[22:23] <Amaranth> SiDi: The idea is to use ubuntu-bug to file bug reports
[22:24] <ulysses__> and the Kubuntu users?:P
[22:24] <ScottK> ulysses__: The same.
[22:25] <SiDi> Amaranth: i dont wanna have to use ubuntu-bug or whatever to report a bug in a package for which i propose a patch :)
[22:25] <Amaranth> SiDi: That is one place it falls over
[22:25] <SiDi> and assuming users will report bugs FROM ubuntu is in my opinion quite wrong
[22:25] <Amaranth> SiDi: We use bugs too much for other workflow
[22:26] <Amaranth> SiDi: Your situation would be better served by a merge request for a packaging branch, for example
[22:26] <SiDi> well, packaging errors / mistakes are for instance definately bugs in packages
[22:26] <SiDi> Amaranth: this also means setup a branch, which requires an open port 22 on my network, + proposing a merge for a project using its own git repo...
[22:27] <SiDi> that sounds overoveroverkill to me, all i need to do is to send the patch to the package maintainers and to make sure its tracked somewhere on the web
[22:27] <Amaranth> Yeah, no one actually uses the merge request tool in ubuntu
[22:28] <Amaranth> When I tried my branches got forgotten until I filed bugs, linked them to the branch, and assigned them to the people I wanted to review them
[22:29] <SiDi> i never managed to successfully merge a branch via lp
[22:29] <SiDi> its just simpler to manually merge and then commit....
[22:29] <SiDi> and honnestly, there still are valid use cases for attaching patches
[22:31] <Amaranth> SiDi: Just for curiosity sake, what package are you trying to fix?
[22:33] <SiDi> Amaranth: xfce4-power-manager today
[22:33] <SiDi> i wrote a patch to allow it to use our custom notification-battery icons for its notification bubbles
[22:33] <SiDi> but i sometimes have to file bugs against packages for xfce4-volumed and exaile too
[22:34] <SiDi> that change will really not be practical
[23:45] <Fly-Man-> Morning
[23:45] <Fly-Man-> How long does a langiage translation request usually take ?
[23:45] <Fly-Man-> a one time import from a BZR tree
[23:45] <Fly-Man-> laanguage*
[23:45] <Fly-Man-> language*
[23:45]  * Fly-Man- blames the drink he's having
[23:46] <mwhudson> i'm not sure, probably ~a day?
[23:47] <Fly-Man-> Is there also a admin here that can delete a branch ?
[23:47] <Fly-Man-> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/fusionforge/trunk
[23:48] <Fly-Man-> I managed to get a working transaction from bzr now ...
[23:48] <mwhudson> Fly-Man-: yeah, i can delete that
[23:49] <Fly-Man-> mwhudson: Thank you :)
[23:49] <mwhudson> Fly-Man-: it's gone
[23:49] <Fly-Man-> :)
[23:49] <Fly-Man-> Now that other one is a mirrored one
[23:49] <Fly-Man-> would I need to make a new branch for the export of the translations ?
[23:54] <Fly-Man-> Hmm
[23:54] <Fly-Man-> that's fast :D
[23:54] <Fly-Man-> It already found all the files in the branches
[23:58] <ripps> Is there going to be dedicated ppa launchpad bug reports? I maintain alot of packages in my gmpc-trunk team and I'd like to make easier to pass bugs to upstream


[01:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- oSoMoN, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2263 Diff missing (vivid/oxide-qt, xenial/oxide-qt). Ready to build (zesty/oxide-qt)
[02:06] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[02:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[02:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/content-hub, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[08:58] <xnox> robru, i've created a merge proposal. hopefully I used the right presentation syntax =/ did not test at all =)
[08:58] <robru> xnox: where?
[09:00] <xnox> robru, https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/bileto/+git/bileto/+merge/312631 ?
[09:00] <robru> xnox: thanks will review shortly
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Preparing packages
[09:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
[09:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2248 QA Signoff: Ready
[09:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2271 Preparing packages
[09:55] <xnox> robru, is it possible to have a multi-land target which is devel+sru combos? e.g. devel, yakkety-sru, xenial-sru
[09:56] <xnox> or is it possible already, i just don't know how, and should stop tweaking ppa sources and copying packages out of that ppa by hand
[09:57] <robru> xnox: no, currently the multi-series are hardcoded to be devel + overlay ppa. There's a bug somewhere saying to be able to customize that.
[09:57] <xnox> robru, i shall check that out
[09:59] <robru> xnox: my goal is to make that allow arbitrary combinations, just haven't gotten to it.
[09:59] <xnox> ack
[10:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Pending binary packages (xenial/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8)
[10:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2247 Failed to build (xenial/unity8). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8)
[10:36] <jamesh> xnox: are you able to publish https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2219 for me?  The package is new to the archive, so I'm not sure what extra steps that needs.
[10:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Successfully built
[10:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Successfully built
[10:52] <xnox> jamesh, no, as i'm not an archive admin.
[10:52] <xnox> jamesh, at least that is my undersntanding.
[10:52] <xnox> robru, does jamesh above need an AA ack?
[10:53] <xnox> jamesh, a few AAs are sprinting this week however. E.g. steve, adam, pitti, are all here.
[10:54] <robru> xnox: jamesh: yeah get aa ack.
[10:55] <robru> slangasek: what's the deal with boot speed gating? I'm lying down. Do you need me? Reschedule?
[10:56] <xnox> jamesh, these people https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-archive/+members#active
[10:56] <jamesh> xnox: thanks
[10:57] <jamesh> and just like that one of the archive admins logs off :)
[10:57] <jamesh> seb128: would you have time to look over a new package I want to upload? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2219
[11:10] <seb128> jamesh, hey, k let me have a look
[11:10] <jamesh> seb128: thanks!
[11:10] <seb128> yw!
[11:11] <seb128> jamesh, is that sepcific to owncloud? the lp project status is for webdav services such owncloud but the package states it's for owncloud
[11:12] <seb128> jamesh, no real issue, just sort of not matching and weird, I guess owncloud is the main provider you are looking after there though?
[11:12] <jamesh> seb128: I named the source package webdav because about 95% of the code is just pure webdav, and so could be used for other providers
[11:13] <jamesh> seb128: also, there is the open question of whether to brand it owncloud or nextcloud, and I don't want to deal with renaming source packages
[11:13] <seb128> jamesh, k
[11:20] <seb128> jamesh, looks fine to me, feel free to land it
[11:21] <jamesh> seb128: I don't think I have permissions to do that myself (I'm not a core dev)
[11:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
[11:21] <seb128> jamesh, I can click but do you know what the error at the top of the page means? "Dependency wait (zesty/storage-provider-webdav)"
[11:22] <jamesh> seb128: yes.  It can't build on s390x because one of its dependencies hasn't been built on that arch
[11:22] <seb128> k
[11:22] <seb128> do you want me to land it?
[11:22] <jamesh> seb128: yes please
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2270 Publishing packages
[11:23] <jamesh> (I think the root cause is upstart not being built on s390x in Zesty any more)
[11:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2270 Publish failed: Bad merges
[11:24] <seb128> jamesh, done
[11:24] <jamesh> thank you
[11:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2219 Publishing packages
[11:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2219 Publish failed: Dependency wait
[11:25] <jamesh> hmm.  Looks like bileto won't do it automatically
[11:25] <jamesh> s390x: the gift that keeps on giving
[11:27] <sil2100> hm
[11:27] <sil2100> If it's a new package, shouldn't it ignore FTBFS?
[11:27] <jamesh> apparently not
[11:27] <sil2100> I can't remember what we agreed on
[11:28] <jamesh> I guess adding new source packages is such a rare occurence that this doesn't get hit very often
[11:28] <sil2100> It seems it will need to be manually copied to the archive
[11:36] <slangasek> robru: we will need to sync on this together with pitti; the meeting that was scheduled was a broad audience thing
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jamesh, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2219 Dependency wait (zesty/storage-provider-webdav). Successfully built (xenial/storage-provider-webdav)
[11:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity-api, zesty/unity8)
[11:44] <mardy> dbarth: hi! Can you please review? https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/account-plugins/webkit-files-1565772/+merge/312572
[11:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
[11:46] <dbarth> mardy: ack
[11:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2270 Successfully built
[11:53] <mardy> dbarth: thanks
[11:53] <mardy> sil2100_: hi! Can you try again please? ^
[11:58] <sil2100_> mardy: oh, what happened?
[11:58] <mardy> sil2100: the MP was not approved
[11:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[11:59] <sil2100> mardy: ok, on it
[12:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2270 Publishing packages
[12:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Currently building (xenial/unity-api). Failed to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (zesty/unity-api)
[12:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mardy dbarth, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2270 Proposed pocket
[12:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Preparing packages
[12:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[12:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/content-hub)
[12:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2271 Generating diffs
[12:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2271 Diff missing
[12:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2271 Successfully built
[13:09] <jgdx> trainguards: hey, silo 2259 is still failing to build on arm64? was the kernel rebuilt?
[13:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[13:10] <robru> wgrant: ^ ?
[13:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2132 Abandoning ticket
[13:12] <wgrant> jgdx: Do you have a build log?
[13:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Preparing packages
[13:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Preparing packages
[13:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[13:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- greyback dandrader, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2160 Successfully built
[13:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2260 QA Signoff: Approved
[13:34] <jgdx> wgrant, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/log/2259/status/359/
[13:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Ready to build (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity8, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Preparing packages
[13:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Preparing packages
[13:41] <pete-woods> jibel, davmor2: hey guys. an indicator-network silo (that includes ethernet support) got landed yesterday to x+z
[13:41] <pete-woods> without QA testing being done on it
[13:42] <pete-woods> this wasn't done on purpose
[13:42] <pete-woods> I think mterry (who clicked the button) thought it didn't need QA (as it wasn't vivid)
[13:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (xenial/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[13:42] <pete-woods> and I assumed mterry had already checked for QA approval
[13:43] <pete-woods> just wondered what you wanted done about it?
[13:43] <pete-woods> in terms of revert, or some follow-up QA
[13:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Preparing packages
[13:44] <jibel> pete-woods, what is done is done, lets not waste time with revert or QAing stuff that already landed
[13:46] <pete-woods> jibel: okay, well obviously that's the easiest option for me :)
[13:46] <pete-woods> if it makes you feel any better, I did a lot of manual testing of it beforehand
[13:46] <pete-woods> as I don't like my silos to fail QA testing
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2273 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[13:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Successfully built (zesty/telephony-service)
[13:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Currently building (zesty/qtmir). Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Pending binary packages (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, zesty/qtmir-gles). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, zesty/unity-api)
[14:01] <davmor2> pete-woods: is this the silo you were on about in the meeting last week if so then it will quickly become apparent that there are issues to fix if it is broken so I wouldn't worry too much :)
[14:01] <pete-woods> davmor2: yeah, it's that one :)
[14:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Preparing packages
[14:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Currently building (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[14:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Failed to build (xenial/unity8, zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/qtmir, xenial/qtmir-gles, xenial/unity-api, zesty/qtmir, zesty/qtmir-gles, zesty/unity-api)
[14:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/content-hub)
[14:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Currently building (zesty/content-hub). Failed to build (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gallery-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[14:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Successfully built
[14:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Failed to build (vivid/content-hub, xenial/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/gallery-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/content-hub, zesty/gallery-app)
[14:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Preparing packages
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2259 Preparing packages
[15:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2260 Publishing packages
[15:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/address-book-app, vivid/content-hub, vivid/gallery-app, xenial/address-book-app, xenial/content-hub, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[15:40] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: no silo validation today?
[15:42] <jibel> oSoMoN, anything urgent?
[15:42] <oSoMoN> jibel, no, just wondering
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- Elleo, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2260 Proposed pocket (zesty/ubuntu-download-manager). Release pocket (vivid/ubuntu-download-manager, xenial/ubuntu-download-manager)
[15:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ltinkl, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2272 Successfully built
[16:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Ready to build (xenial/dialer-app, zesty/dialer-app). Successfully built (zesty/telephony-service)
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Preparing packages
[16:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Preparing packages
[16:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- jgdx, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2259 Successfully built
[16:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2105 Preparing packages
[16:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Failed to build (zesty/cmake-extras). Pending binary packages (xenial/cmake-extras)
[16:37] <pete-woods> trainguards: any ideas what went wrong in this silo? (https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/2274/+packages)
[16:37] <pete-woods> there's no build log for zesty
[16:43] <tedg> pete-woods: Clicked retry
[16:43] <tedg> pete-woods: I got a dns issue on another silo just now
[16:43] <tedg> pete-woods: Might have been a server hickup
[16:43] <pete-woods> tedg: thanks. I'm hoping it's that!
[16:47] <dobey> there was suggestion of some cloudy issue earlier, from wgrant; maybe it's spread
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Failed to build (xenial/address-book-app, zesty/address-book-app). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (xenial/content-hub, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[16:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Preparing packages
[16:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Pending binary packages (zesty/cmake-extras). Successfully built (xenial/cmake-extras)
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tedg, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2105 Failed to build
[17:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Successfully built
[17:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/unity8). Successfully built (xenial/unity-api, xenial/unity8, zesty/unity-api)
[17:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[17:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Preparing packages
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- artmello, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2179 Failed to build (xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, zesty/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles). Needs rebuild due to new commits (zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (vivid/content-hub, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit, vivid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gles, xenial/content-hub, xenial/ubuntu-ui-toolkit)
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2276 Preparing packages
[17:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Failed to build (xenial/libusermetrics, zesty/libusermetrics). Successfully built (xenial/cmake-extras, zesty/cmake-extras)
[18:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Failed to build (xenial/content-hub, zesty/content-hub). Successfully built (xenial/address-book-app, xenial/gallery-app, zesty/address-book-app, zesty/gallery-app)
[18:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- alf__, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2276 Successfully built
[18:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- mzanetti Saviq, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2150 Successfully built
[18:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Preparing packages
[18:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- michi jamesh pete-woods, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2274 Failed to build (xenial/libusermetrics). Successfully built (xenial/cmake-extras, zesty/cmake-extras, zesty/libusermetrics)
[19:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2241 Preparing packages
[19:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2241 Preparing packages
[19:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2233 Failed to build (xenial/telephony-service). Ready to build (xenial/dialer-app, zesty/dialer-app). Successfully built (zesty/telephony-service)
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- tiagosh bfiller boiko rmescandon, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2241 Successfully built
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- kenvandine, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2127 Successfully built
[21:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2277 Preparing packages
[22:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- bfiller, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2277 Successfully built
[22:21] <wgrant> dobey, tedg, pete-woods: That cloud wasn't quite stable when we brought it back, as it turned out. But it settled down just after you were discussing it here -- let me know if you see any further oddities.
[23:16] <tedg> High upper level wind speeds? ;-)
[23:16] <tedg> wgrant: I haven't seen other issues
[23:16] <wgrant> Heh
[23:16] <wgrant> Thanks.


[00:07] <bkerensa> Hello thefinn93 MarkDude jhmextern urlin2u :)
[00:07]  * bkerensa disappears for a bit
[00:08] <thefinn93> uh
[00:08] <thefinn93> ok
[00:08] <urlin2u> hello
[02:04] <bkerensa> :)
[02:09] <shantorn> good eveing
[06:24] <bkerensa> Hi urlin2u
[06:24] <urlin2u> hey, I am still up.
[06:26] <bkerensa> urlin2u: Are you on the Ubuntu Oregon mailing list yet?
[06:27] <bkerensa> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-us-or
[06:27] <urlin2u> bkerensa, no,  didn't know there was one.
[06:27] <bkerensa> Yep thats where a lot of announcements and some discussion occur :)
[06:27] <urlin2u> I will be shortly. ;)
[06:31] <bkerensa> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OregonTeam also has links to Launchpad and other stuffs :D
[06:33] <urlin2u> bkerensa, funny thing is I hardly know anyone who uses open source, only one I met through freegeek more of a acquaintance, oh and one more a old roomate who use freebsd on his server..
[06:34] <bkerensa> :)
[06:34] <bkerensa> Lots of people do
[06:34] <bkerensa> especially in Portland
[06:34] <bkerensa> FreeGeek gives out hundreds of computers in Oregon loaded with Ubuntu on a regular basis
[06:34] <bkerensa> Plus with Yahoo, Intel, Netflix all here lots of people at those companies use Linux
[06:42] <urlin2u> I guess I don't get out enough, I meet other students at PSU Cs majors that do at times.
[06:43] <urlin2u> can't seem to get the friends to use it inspite of them not being gamers so they ate perfect canidates.
[06:43] <urlin2u> are
[18:33] <bkerensa> Love this: Can you setup Benjamin for a DH non profit account? He isn't a 501-c3 but we're giving him one anyway because we love Oregon and Ubuntu rocks!
[18:35] <thefinn93> w00t
[23:48] <shantorn> howdy all
[23:50] <bkerensa> hello :)
[23:50] <bkerensa> shantorn: You coming to Ubuntu Global Jam in September?
[23:53] <shantorn> i am hoping to but it depends on child care
[23:53] <shantorn> and gas monies
[23:53] <shantorn> looks like fun
[23:53] <shantorn> might bring my son and his pc to do an upgrade
[23:53] <shantorn> any monitors available
[23:57] <shantorn> bkerensa, do you run away from the computer a lot
[23:58] <bkerensa> yes
[23:58] <bkerensa> sorry
[23:58] <bkerensa> :)
[23:58] <bkerensa> shantorn: Yeah bring your son... Monitors should be available :)
[23:58] <bkerensa> shantorn: I should have all the details tomorrow :D
[23:58] <shantorn> oh thats excelent
[23:58] <shantorn> cool beans


[01:23] <phillw> jmarsden: are you still about?
[01:23] <jmarsden> phillw: Yes.
[01:26] <phillw> I still cannot get this bl**dy guest additions to work :( - I know it is operator error, but I've tried and tried again. If you could schedule a bit of time when things are not too busy, I'd appreciate a bit of help as to why tis idiot cannot get it to work!
[01:27] <phillw> There is no urgency, the VM's are functioning. It is simply, for me, the lack of being able to C&P between them and also the 'main system'
[01:28] <phillw> btw, has there been any progress on the gnome-power-manager bug in 11-10?
[01:32] <jmarsden> I've not done anything on the gnome-power-manager thing, and I don't know of Julien or anyone else doing anything further with it.
[01:33] <jmarsden> Re cut and paste... they work (say between two instances of leafpad, for a consistent simple test case) on your host OS, right?  Does cut and paste also work between two instances of leafpad that are both running in the same virtualbox VM?
[01:35] <phillw> I've only been trying to c&P between Terminal sessions and web pages with code commands. Ctrl+C from web area and Shift+Ctrl+V This works fine on my base system, but the clipboard is not shared.
[01:37] <phillw> between 2 leafpads, on same VM - it works fine.
[01:38] <jmarsden> Terminal to web has all the weird "wrong clipboard" issues involved.  OK... can you do leafpad to leafpad where each leafpad is in a different VM, or where one is in the host OS and one in a VM?
[01:39]  * phillw is just firing up 11-10 VM
[01:41] <phillw> C&P does not work either way with 11-04 VM and 11-10 VM
[01:42] <phillw> soz, had to killall gnome-power-manager... it is a real PITA!
[01:43] <jmarsden> You are killing it in the 11.10 VM?  I must have too much spare CPU for my own good, or something, I've run an 11.10 Alpha1 VM and not noticed the issue :)
[01:43] <phillw> yup, in my 11-10 it cranks my 2nd CPU to 100%
[01:44] <phillw> I've seen it mentioned a couple of times, we are getting used to just issuing the command.
[01:46] <phillw> But, I'm only running a poorly AMD Turon :P
[01:46] <phillw> *lowly*
[01:47] <jmarsden> Yes... OK, it does that here too, on my quad core Q9550 I didn't even notice until I looked for it in htop :)
[01:48] <phillw> I've got a CPU all to myself :P
[01:48] <phillw> at least that is what that darned gnome system uses!
[01:49] <jmarsden> Hmmm, I am wondering if Guest additions don't fully like the X in Oneiric?  I can resize my 11.04 VM and the screen resizes to match.  In my 11.10 VM it doesn't... testing...
[02:01] <phillw> I'll leave that with you, bed time here!
[02:02] <jmarsden> OK, goodnight :)
[07:06] <john_rambo>  Hi, I while starting a game using I *sometimes* find that audio is completely gone ...is there a way to get audio back other that rebooting ? (Lubuntu 11.04)
[07:07] <john_rambo> *using wine
[10:26] <xh> hi! i have set up a wallpaper, now when i go to desktop prefs > appearance > wallpaper mode, and select 'Fill with background color only' xorg crashes and i am left with a virtual console; is there a known fix for this?
[10:35] <buff27> xh, do you also have gnome or kde on the same system? as I cant see "appearance" under prefs
[10:36] <xh> buff27: i am just right-clicking the desktop and selecting 'Desktop Settings'
[10:36] <xh> buff27: i don't have the full kde or gnome, only the libs
[10:39] <buff27> xh, I confirm the error
[10:39] <xh> buff27: ok, which bugtracker should this be tracked to? openbox, lxde or lubuntu?
[10:39] <buff27> xh, not sure how where or if to log a bug
[10:40] <buff27> maybe someone else can advise?
[10:44] <xh> buff27: do you happen to know which config file stores the wallpaper settings? it does not appear to be anywhere in ~/.config/openbox; setting the image to a transparent pixel will work but is kind of stupid..
[10:47] <xh> buff27: oh, found it, looks like this is pcmanfm-related: the setting are in ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[10:49] <xh> buff27: ok, i going to try setting wallpaper_mode=1 in  ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[10:50] <buff27> xh, roger
[10:58] <xh> buff27: didn't work, tried both 0 and 1 for wallpaper_mode, but no change, cannot get rid of the picture; the funny thing is that there are two pcmanfm.conf files: ~/.config/pcmanfm/pcmanfm.conf and ~/.config/pcmanfm/lubuntu/pcmanfm.conf
[10:59] <xh> buff27: looks like the second is used
[11:01] <buff27> xh, you trying to reduce ram usage?
[11:03] <xh> buff27: by removing the wallpaper? no, i just have days when i prefer solid colors
[11:04] <xh> buff27: white space (or other-colored space) is the basic element of design, as someone said :)
[11:05] <xh> buff27: and any kind of _form_ is actually taking space, so you get less of it
[11:06] <buff27> xh, so is it a bug to report?
[11:09] <xh> buff27: i suppose so, but it is tricky to figure out where to, and what are the preconditions to reproduce, do you have a dual monitor setup? because i do, and it i did not try with a single head
[11:09] <buff27> xh, no just a single monitor
[11:10] <buff27> xh, and a fresh install just a few hours ago with a few of my favourite packages apt-get'd
[11:12] <xh> buff27: i see, oh, looks like what i need: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
[11:15] <xh> buff27: that's really neat!
[11:15] <buff27> xh, what's that?
[11:16] <xh> buff27: you just run in terminal `ubuntu-bug pcmanfm` or whatever component is affected and the app does most of the job for you..
[11:16] <buff27> xh, uh errrr really?
[11:17] <xh> buff27: try it :)
[11:17] <xh> buff27: it will then open a browser window to fill in the details and stuff
[11:18] <xh> buff27: um, but i still have create a launchpad account..
[11:18] <buff27> xh, i see, i was just reading about apport
[11:19] <buff27> pm xh?
[11:19] <xh> buff27: how does that work?
[11:20] <buff27> pm  = private message, as in I'm requesting to private message you
[11:20] <xh> buff27: i understand but never did it before, do i have to type some command?
[11:21] <buff27> xh, what irc client do you use?
[11:21] <xh> buff27: xchat
[11:22] <buff27> xh, you should see like a new channel with my nick
[19:13] <draioch> have probs trying to get sound output on a dell optiplex g280, have alsa default drivers installed, check obvious mute sound level any help pls
[19:14] <draioch> running lubuntu 11.04
[19:15] <jmarsden> draioch: I'm not an expert on the sound stuff, but you can try using alsamixer in a terminal window to see what the sound device settings are and set volume levels per device...
[19:23] <draioch> ok thanks jmarsden
[19:23] <jmarsden> draioch: You're welcome.
[19:24] <Dexo> hey, can i ask a question
[19:25] <Dexo> is there a difference between Lubuntu and getting Ubuntu Server and installing LXDE?
[19:27] <Octatron> A lot of the polished interface isn't setup probably I'd say?  Issue like when you install a new program the menu wouldn't show the program without running a script
[19:28] <Octatron> At least that was my experience with installing Ubuntu and icewm, blackbox and fluxbox in the past
[19:28] <Dexo> is lubuntu better than ubuntuserver+lxde?
[19:29] <Dexo> cause im gonna use it on my old deksotp to host a game server and i want a gui since im not great with terminal so i choose lxde since its light
[19:29] <Octatron> It's basically the same thing except with Lubuntu someone has gone through and made sure all the loose ends are sorted out so everything works seamlessly without having to invoke isoteric commands from terminal
[19:29] <Dexo> ok then lubuntu it is
[19:30] <Octatron> good choice, saves alot of headache I'd say
[19:30] <Dexo> one friend says ONLY ubuntu server. one says Mint. so i conprimised.
[19:31] <Octatron> Hope the game isn't too high end on an old pc
[19:31] <Dexo> MineCraft
[19:31] <Octatron> how old is the laptop?
[19:31] <Dexo> pentium 3, 512mb ram
[19:31] <Dexo> del optiplex gx110
[19:32] <Dexo> could that handle lxde
[19:32] <Octatron> maybe ferret out another 512mb and it might be ok
[19:32] <draioch> how can i tell what sound card is installed
[19:32] <Octatron> lspci at terminal
[19:32] <Dexo> with that i have now, do u recommand just ubuntu server?
[19:32] <Octatron> or lspci | grep sound
[19:33] <Octatron> see how you go, try it I'm just guessing here
[19:33] <Dexo> if its to slow, ill just reinstall with just server
[19:34] <draioch> thx octatron got an output from that lspci thx
[19:34] <Dexo> is lubuntu 10.4 lighter than 11.04
[19:35] <jmarsden> draioch: Or alsamixer, press f2 and a menu showing various alsa config items appears...
[19:35] <Octatron> Providing the sound driver's actually loaded
[19:36] <draioch> yea thx ill have another try with that later thx jmarsden octatron
[19:37] <Octatron> Look around for some extra ram if you can, it shouldn't be too expensive if you need to buy it.. it might even take old desktop pc ram
[19:37] <Dexo> ddr ram is expensive compared to ddr2
[19:37] <Dexo> ill check my other old desktop, i think it has ddr2 though
[19:38] <Octatron> always cool when you can reuse old parts
[19:38] <Octatron> perhaps run memcheck at startup to check it's all working as well
[19:39] <Dexo> k. whats better amd athlon 64 or pentium 3
[19:39] <Dexo> both 1 gig ram
[19:39] <Dexo> im not good with processors.
[19:40] <jmarsden> Dexo: At the same clock speed, a PIII might be faster than an Athlon 64.  But most Athlon 64s will run at a higher clock than a PIII...
[19:41] <Octatron> might have to run some benchmark software, I'm not sure but I usually trusted Intel over AMD the old stuff use to overheat
[19:41] <jmarsden> Dexo: If you can boot from the Lubuntu livecd, hardinfo has some basic benchmark tests in it that you could run...
[19:42] <Dexo> i may do that
[19:44] <Dexo> " and competes primarily with Intel's Pentium 4"
[19:44] <Dexo> so that would suggestion its better than a pentuim 3
[19:46] <Octatron> Well Athlon 64 might be able to run a 64 bit version perhaps of Ubuntu instead of a 32 bit .. might be worth it
[19:47] <Dexo> i didnt know my deksotp was 64 bit lol. i thoguh it was 32 since its old. ill go check
[19:47] <Octatron> the chip name seems to suggest it might.. I'm just guessing again here
[19:48] <Dexo> any way to see if its 64-bit without turning it on
[19:50] <Octatron> Dexo: Have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64#Single-core_Athlon_64
[19:51] <Dexo> ont he amd website for that processor it has this, "Simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing"
[19:51] <Octatron> Look in my experience, if a 64bit live cd detects a 32bit chipset it stops booting and tells me.. so you could just try it
[19:52] <jmarsden> Dexo: An Athlon 64 is a 64-bit capable chip, it can run "amd64" Debian and Ubuntu code.  Unless you have plenty of RAM, it may not be worth doing that, though.
[19:52] <Octatron> was that written when 512mb was alot of ram though?
[19:52] <Dexo> and ti would have 1 gig
[19:54] <Dexo> it*
[19:55] <jmarsden> Unless you have at least 4GB there's not much point running 64bit, in my opinion.
[19:55] <Dexo> right now on this computer i have 64 bit and its win7 with 3gig ddr3
[19:55] <Dexo> sooooooooo
[19:55] <jmarsden> And did you benchmark the speed difference between win7 64bit and win7 32bit on that same machine?
[19:56] <Dexo> ?
[19:56] <jmarsden> if not, you don't know whether 64bit gave you any advantage over 32bit.
[19:57] <Dexo> i got the computer with 64 bit
[19:57] <Octatron> Dexo: I'd do 64bit, if the chip supports it even with 1GB of Ram it's like having a 4 lane highway instead of a 2 lane.  Windows 7 64bit has a whole bunch of 32 bit programs which is pointless, however all of ubuntu's software should utilise the 64bit os
[19:57] <jmarsden> Octatron: No, 64bit on low RAM machines is wasteful of RAM for no real benefit.
[19:57] <Dexo> jmarsden, any input on that ^^
[19:57] <jmarsden> benchmarks to disprove this welcomed...
[19:58] <bioterror> sure
[19:58] <bioterror> bigger address spaces
[19:58] <bioterror> ifconfig for example
[19:58] <Dexo> darn, 2 people saying oppisite ideas
[19:58] <jmarsden> bioterror: ifconfig runs faster on a 64bit machine???  really?
[19:59] <bioterror> jmarsden, RX and TX Bytes ;)
[19:59] <Dexo> LoL
[19:59] <bioterror> see yourself ;)
[19:59] <bioterror> move few gigs
[20:00] <jmarsden> bioterror: Oh, you mean it uses 64bit counters instead of 32bit counters, depending on the CPU architecture?
[20:00] <bioterror> 32bit cycles around 3.9GB of I remember right
[20:01] <bioterror> too tired to do calculations :D
[20:01] <bioterror> s/of/if/
[20:01] <bioterror> just talking about wasting precious RAM with 64bit system
[20:01] <Dexo> how would 64-bit waste ram?
[20:01] <Octatron> Have a look at this guys: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
[20:02] <jmarsden> Dexo: Because programs use 64bit variables for things, so that's twice the space a 32bit one would use...
[20:02] <Dexo> ohhhhh
[20:03] <jmarsden> Octatron: And normal use (boot time, compression, etc, there is no significant speed difference.  Only doing some audio/video stuff where they carefully optimized the 64bit version do you see any benefit.
[20:05] <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=2 let's dig some old articles :D
[20:06] <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_32_pae&num=1 a little newer ;)
[20:07] <Dexo> This link really helped: http://www.tuxradar.com/content/ubuntu-904-32-bit-vs-64-bit-benchmarks
[20:07] <Dexo> kinda shows 64-bit better
[20:07] <jmarsden> Dexo: Only in audio/video tasks, as I read it... anyway, it's your machine, your choice what OS you run.
[20:07] <Dexo> lol
[20:08] <Dexo> where doi dl lubuntu
[20:08] <Unit193> bioterror: That set it! I'm going to use 64 ;)
[20:08] <bioterror> :D
[20:09] <Dexo> one last question for u guys. for a game servr 32 or 64
[20:09] <jmarsden> Dexo: REad the topic of this channel.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[20:09] <bioterror> Unit193, I hope you're going to use Solaris then ;)
[20:09] <Dexo> oh lol, srry jmarsden. i was looking on the website
[20:10] <Octatron> Bascially, each time your CPU pumps through some data it's using all the chips capability by putting through 64bits in one cycle instead of 32bits, so on small things you might not see much difference but on loading big stuff you probably will.. providing you don't go over your ram amount
[20:10] <Unit193> bioterror: Naaa, I'm going to use OpenIndiana
[20:11] <Dexo> so 32bit is good for small tasks and 64 is good for large tasks?
[20:12] <Octatron> well kinda, for example.. firefox would probably load a bit faster because it's getting a bit fat lately
[20:12] <Dexo> im not gonna be doing any of that stuff, just server hosting
[20:13] <Dexo> (it also seems 64-bit is bad with Flash)
[20:13] <Octatron> well your gaming server will probably take up some considerable cpu usage, so it might be worth it for the sake of computing where a player is and what is happening quicker
[20:13] <Dexo> so u say 64-bit.
[20:14] <Octatron> Only because Adobe aren't quick enough to come out with a good flash prog, But I'm using a 64bit Lucid install atm and my flash is fine so it's probably solved
[20:15] <Octatron> Why not try both and IRC the results to the next Ubuntu-au mailing list
[20:15] <Dexo> would a minimal install be better for a server hosting computer?
[20:16] <Octatron> it would for sure, less to load up as long as your comfortable with command line
[20:16] <Dexo> oh minimal is a terminal
[20:16] <Dexo> nvm then
[20:16] <Dexo> if i wanted terminal i would just get ubuntu server
[20:17] <Dexo> i want the lightest possibal but still hvae gui :P
[20:17] <Octatron> That's right, you could install webmin so at least you could administer stuff through a web browser on another machine but it won't do anything for minecraft i don't think
[20:18] <Dexo> yea what my one friend does (who uses ubuntu server) is ssh to the minecraft server's console and uses ftp to upload and edit the files
[20:18] <Octatron> well lxde is good, but some lighter/ less polished ones are, fluxbox, openbox, icewm
[20:19] <Dexo> right now i host it from my current computer, win7 3gig ram ddr3. and its fine
[20:19] <Dexo> maybe ill; check out fluxbox
[20:20] <Octatron> there's no menu button you just right click and it appears..
[20:20] <Dexo> no. fluxbox is to crude lol
[20:20] <Dexo> i would be better off with a terminal
[20:20] <Octatron> you tube em you'll see what they look like
[20:21] <Octatron> Yes learn terminal and achieve a power greater than any Jedi!
[20:22] <jmarsden> Octatron: webmin is officially no longer supported in Ubuntu or Debian.
[20:22] <jmarsden> !webmin
[20:23] <jmarsden> Dexo: Yes, if you are going to run a production server, learn to use the shell.
[20:23] <Octatron> Really? dam.. that's a shame it was so pretty..
[20:23] <Dexo> ill need to look up some terminal tutorials lol
[20:24] <Dexo> are all ubuntu terminals basically the same?
[20:24] <Octatron> google cheat sheet should spit out something
[20:25] <Dexo> LOL. im watching a tutorial on youtube and the guys terminal naem thingy the user@user-place is the same as mine is :P
[20:27] <jmarsden> Dexo: Don't confuse the terminal emulator with the shell that is running in it.  The various terminal emulators look a bit different, some have tabs for multiple sessions, some have transparency, etc etc.  All run the same bash shell and so the same set of commands...
[20:27] <Dexo> yea, i was just wondering if there was any difference between say, Mint and Ubuntu, or PCLinux
[20:27] <jmarsden> Those are not terminals ... ?
[20:28] <Dexo> i no. there flavors
[20:28] <bioterror> !shell | Dexo
[20:28] <Dexo> yea i no
[20:30] <Octatron> bascally type a letter or two in and hit tab a few times, when you see one you like type in "man commandfound"
[20:31] <jmarsden> Dexo: There are no significant differences between the set of commands you will need to learn to admin a server running any Debian or Ubuntu based Linux.  if you are new to servers, I'd suggest running Ubuntu server, because #ubuntu-server is a good place to get server-oriented support when you need it.
[20:32] <Dexo> jmarsden, its a minecraft server. ive been running it for months i know how to use it. i jsut want a better computer to run it.
[20:32] <Dexo> the commands wont be changing.
[20:33] <Dexo> (unless there commands outside of the server)
[20:33] <jmarsden> Um... I think you and I mean different things by the word "server" in the above conversation...
[20:33] <Dexo> lol
[20:34] <Dexo> a minecraft server. im hosting a game server
[20:34] <Octatron> You could just cheat and youtube it like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ORJ69LGVYA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcEtjGIujt8
[20:34] <Dexo> lol or that :P
[20:36] <Octatron> If you want to test your skills with Linux command line first, you could install Virtualbox on your windows 7 beast and put Ubuntu server within that and just play with it a bit
[20:37] <Dexo> i normally use ubuntu on my laptop as a virtual and mess with console in there
[20:37] <Dexo> i have 9.10 and just got 11.04
[20:37] <Octatron> cool that's the way to do it!
[20:37] <Dexo> gnome 3 is really nice compared to gnone 2
[20:38] <Dexo> unity is cool
[20:38] <Octatron> Really? I find them so restricting... can't move anything
[20:38] <Dexo> i agree, but if u like eye candy
[20:39] <Dexo> i would use 9.10 over 11.04. but 11.04 looks much better
[20:40] <Octatron> Dude, take gnome2 and install compiz with awn and all the special effects with compizconfig settings manager and you'll find a whole lot more effects!
[20:40] <Dexo> oooooooo. i might. but i mgiht need to bump up the virtual pc's ram
[20:41] <Octatron> Look at this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvfRpmqKRbs The dark side is more powerful!
[20:42] <Dexo> is 10.04 much better than 9.10?
[20:42] <Dexo> is it worth the update?
[20:44] <Octatron> 10.04 is LTS so yes, its pretty stable I think
[20:45] <Dexo> maybe ill update. would i recommend updating or just a new install?
[20:46] <jmarsden> 9.10 is already end of life, a couple of months back.  So yes, you need to use 10.04 :)
[20:47] <Dexo> end of life? not supported anymore
[20:47] <jmarsden> Upgrade or fresh install is up to you, depends how much customization you have done on the 9.10 setup.
[20:47] <Octatron> If you don't need to backup stuff do a fresh install, the upgrade distro's option are always a bit messy
[20:47] <jmarsden> Dexo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases says it went EOL on April 20, 2011.
[20:48] <jmarsden> April 30, 2011 I mean :)
[20:49] <jmarsden> It's obsolete, anyway!  No longer supported, no more security updates, etc.
[20:49] <Dexo> ill install 10.04 then
[20:51] <Octatron> That's right, generally they try out all the new cool stuff between LTS releases which might be buggy and when you hit *.04 they attempt to make it as stable as possible with the longest amount of support
[20:52] <Dexo> i fi install that epic graphical effect thing u said. will 1 gig ram on a virtual handle it?
[20:52] <Dexo> the host has win7 with 4gig ddr2 ram
[20:52] <bioterror> Octatron, awful video :D
[20:53] <Octatron> Um, Probably would struggle I'd say.. 2Gb might be ok but don't turn all of them on.
[20:53] <Dexo> ok.
[20:53] <Dexo> i can bump it up to 2 gig
[20:53] <jmarsden> However, you don't really need or want any "epic graphical effects" on a *server* machine or server VM!  Run Ubuntu Server 10.04 and learn the commands needed to manage it.
[20:54] <Dexo> i know. he just showed me them and im gonna install them on my vitual for fun
[20:55] <Octatron> That's the way, do the fun stuff otherwise you'll think Ubuntu is as about as exciting as accounting :P
[20:56] <Dexo> yep
[20:56] <Dexo> once i get some extra money maybe ill get a ubuntu laptop
[20:57] <jmarsden> I'd recommend two VMs: a server VM for running a server, and a desktop VM for "fun stuff", in that case.
[20:58] <Dexo> why cant i just use the terminal on the desktop instead of installing ubuntu server
[20:58] <Octatron> Yeah you could do that, it just chews more ram that's all
[20:59] <jmarsden> Because you won't, you'll fall back to GUi tools whenever you want to do something you don't yet know how to do from the shell... and because on an older PC running a PIII or whatever you don't want to waste RAM or CPU on a GUI...
[20:59] <Dexo> i see what ur saying
[20:59] <phillw> jmarsden: he could do as I did, 2 X 512MB VM's for lubuntu 11-04 and 11-10 (or in his case, stable & 'test'), with both running I'm not touching swap.
[21:00] <Dexo> and plus. once i install lubuntu onto my desktop. i can still use the gui
 i would be better off with a terminal
[21:01] <jmarsden> You said it.  For a server on older hardware, I agree.  So my suggestion is to learn it that way...
[21:03] <Octatron> It's not as hard as you think, you'll probably use about 20 or so common commands and google the rest when you need them
[21:03] <phillw> jmarsden: I'm sorta guessing, but could you just install Oracle VM onto the minimal iso and it also get the dependancies it needed?
[21:03] <Dexo> lol
[21:04] <jmarsden> phillw: I'm not sure... you could try it :)
[21:05] <phillw> when I get back home, I may give it a go :) Or, if it complains, it may be happy under lubuntu-core which is pretty stripped down...
[21:05] <Octatron> Think of it as a manual or reference, you don't have to know all the commands off the bat just the basics and them whatever bits minecraft needs
[21:06] <jmarsden> Dexo: A couple of talsk I have to my local Linux User Group might help you out, if the notes are usable for someone who didn't attend the talks... see http://crosswire.org/~jmarsden/talks/intro-to-the-linux-command-line/intro-to-the-linux-command-line.html and http://crosswire.org/~jmarsden/talks/managing-a-server-using-a-gui/managing-a-server-using-a-gui.html
[21:06] <jmarsden> s/talsk I have/talks I gave/
[21:10] <Octatron> Dexo: here's some homework :P http://fosswire.com/post/2008/04/ubuntu-cheat-sheet/
[21:11] <phillw> jmarsden: did you get chance to look at the gnome-power-manager or my C&P issue within VM?
[21:12] <Octatron> Dexo: And it's ugly cousin: http://fosswire.com/post/2007/08/unixlinux-command-cheat-sheet/
[21:18]  * phillw although, for anyone new(ish) to the ubuntu family http://ubuntu-manual.org/download/10.04e2/en_US/screen is an excellent resource, written by the various guys on various teams :)
[21:18] <phillw> you can even buy the book, if you prefer a hard back copy.
[21:27] <Octatron> Well Im off to bed night all!
[21:28] <bioterror> sleep tight! ;)
[21:34] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
[21:34] <head_victim> Do you still need to add the PPA for this to work?
[21:36] <phillw> head_victim: it would depend on the version of lubuntu you are switching to.
[21:37] <phillw> 10.04 does, afaik, still need the ppa
[21:37] <head_victim> Ok, do we know what version that became redundant? I'm just about to point someone to that link from my LUG so want to update it before I go posting it to the ML
[21:37] <phillw> not needed for 11.04
[21:37] <head_victim> Ok but 10.10 on you do or don't?
[21:37] <bioterror> never used ppa with 10.1
[21:37] <bioterror> 10.10
[21:37] <head_victim> Sweet so 10.04 or earlier use the ppa, 10.10 or later, no need to add the PPA.
[21:38]  * head_victim logs in to change it now while I remember
[21:39] <phillw> head_victim: again, as far as we know. Use that link and edit it accordingly (else I will, it is an easy edit :P )
[21:40] <head_victim> phillw: I'm just doing it simple and easy, if you can have a quick look I've just hit save
[21:43] <phillw> head_victim: yeah, I'll just make one quick change. I do not thing any of those instructions apply to 9.10, which is out of support anyway.
[21:44] <head_victim> No worries mate
[21:44] <phillw> 10.04 and post 10.04 are the onlyones needed
[21:44] <head_victim> On that note I might head to bed, 7am here and I haven't slept yet.
[21:46] <phillw> head_victim: go get some Zzzz's :)
[21:46] <head_victim> Sorry I haven't been around heaps, still watching from the ether and helping where I can.
[21:47] <phillw> head_victim: each of us help where and when we can, all help is appreciated. Now..... GOT TO BED!!!!!!
[22:49] <Phosphenes> Are there any lubuntu forums or do we use the lxde forums?
[22:51] <jmarsden> phillw: re cut and paste and gnome-power-manager: I got sidetracked (got another updated package into Debian instead)
[22:55] <phillw> jmarsden: when you start 11-10 Lubuntu a1, it eats one of your CPU's at 100%
[22:56] <jmarsden> Yes.  It still does :)  I just didn't notice until you pointed it out yesterday :)
[22:56] <phillw> Phosphenes: use the lubuntu tage on the main forum.
[22:57] <phillw> *tag*
[22:57] <Phosphenes> ubuntuforums you mean?
[22:57] <phillw> Phosphenes: yup :)
[22:57] <Phosphenes> cool, thanks
[22:57] <phillw> that lets people know it is lubuntu and lets us hunt them down :D
[22:59] <phillw> jmarsden: from an earlier chat on here, is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu now factually correct with the usage of ppa *only* for 10.04?
[23:00] <jmarsden> phillw: I think so, but I wasn't around in the early days/years... I have no idea what Lubuntu 9.xx did at all, or if it even existed :)
[23:01] <phillw> jmarsden: there was a 9.10, but that pre-dates even me :)
[23:02] <phillw> hence 10.04, and post 10.04. The backporting to 10.04 is down to you and julien (well, and pcmanfm)
[23:04] <jmarsden> OK.  I think the page is correct for 10.04 and later.
[23:06] <phillw> Phosphenes: if you are 'playing' with 11-10, can you use http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1774388 it is a rather futile attempt to try and herd cats, but the forum mods have said that they will kick the odd stray onto that thread. It is not JUST about the title :P
[23:07] <Phosphenes> I'm still on 11.04 but I'll check it out
[23:11] <phillw> jmarsden: I got the shock of my life... I allowed 9.10 Ubuntu to update to the last kernel release, and blow me down with a feather, it recognised my 3G device. There is hope yet :)
[23:12] <jmarsden> Aha!  Last as in last that was provided for 9.10, or last as in most recent Ubuntu kernel in existence??
[23:12] <phillw> I'll pop 11.04 lubuntu onto a hard disk area and see how it gets on
[23:12] <phillw> I think last of the 9.10....  Linux piglet 2.6.31-23-generic-pae #75-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:14:10 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:13] <jmarsden> OK.  Hmmm... you are running with a -pae kernel?  You shouldn't need that unless you have more than 4GB RAM, I think?
[23:14] <phillw> the 11-10 VM is on Linux piglet 2.6.31-23-generic-pae #75-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 19:14:10 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:14] <jmarsden> Hmmm, my 11.04 VM runs 2.6.38-8-generic
[23:14] <phillw> I was told it was 3.2GB of Ram, but I am on 4GB of RAM, so switched to the PAE
[23:14] <jmarsden> Note, no -pae :)
[23:15] <jmarsden> Ah, OK... that sort of makes sense.
[23:15] <phillw> ahh, C&P failed... again.....
[23:15] <jmarsden> Everything I touch that has 4GB or more is running 64bit anyway...
[23:16] <phillw> 11-10 VM is on 3.0-1
[23:17] <phillw> 2.6.38-8 on 11-04 VM
[23:20] <phillw> jmarsden: you'd be better placed to tell me, should I change to 64 ONLY, or use PAE in order to test out compatibility with older kit on 32 bit only? I'm not a performance freak, so a slight reduction in speed is not an issue for me.
[23:20] <jmarsden> Very few people use -pae, in my experience.  I'd switch the host OS to 64bit and then run 32bit or 64bit VMs as desired within it.
[23:21] <jmarsden> Older kit generally doesn't have > 3.2GB and so does not need PAE.
[23:21] <phillw> jmarsden: well, add the Canonical build of lubuntu 64 bit to your list :P (Yes, I know you already have ;) )
[23:22] <phillw> older kit generally does not have a hidden 500GB drive in it either :D
[23:23] <jmarsden> Oh you bet, as soon as we have one, I'll have Lubuntu 11.10 amd64 in a (64bit) VM.  It's getting closer, little by little... lubuntu is now recognized by tasksel, for instance...
[23:23] <phillw> I guess at some point I'm going to want to see how far ubuntu have gotten with HDMI, as it appears this new piglet has one of those as a vid output
[23:30] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[23:30] <kosaidpo> i cant find mysql workbench
[23:30] <kosaidpo> n when i dl the deb it says i dont have some dep's :P
[23:31] <kosaidpo> even the lib vesion i have its newer then wht it requires
[23:31] <jmarsden> Where and are you getting the .deb file ?
[23:31] <kosaidpo> from mysql site jmarsden
[23:31] <jmarsden> Do they provide the *source* debian package for it?  So you can rebuild it?
[23:32] <kosaidpo> yeh i saw that too i guess
[23:32] <kosaidpo> hang on jmarsden
[23:32] <jmarsden> Then d/l the source package and rebuild it, it should then need your versions of the libraries not whatever was on the machine they used to build that .deb with :)
[23:35] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: okies im jst not used to the rebuilt idea tho :p
[23:36] <jmarsden> I can probably walk you through that...
[23:36] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: tnx well lets me try this deb first okies
[23:37] <kosaidpo> :D
[23:38] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: its gettin installed :D
[23:39] <jmarsden> OK.
[23:39] <kosaidpo> jmarsden: thnaks