[00:34] <Iraqi> Q" After i installed ubuntu 10 on laptop Dell Vostro 1400 then done but bugs is working freeze? Why ? how can fix it ?
[00:39] <penguin42> Iraqi: Is this 10.04 (Lucid) ?
[00:40] <Iraqi> yes
[00:41] <Iraqi> notebook edition
[00:41] <Iraqi> i downloaded
[00:41] <penguin42> ok, and what exactly happens?
[00:41] <Iraqi> from web site ubuntu
[00:41] <Iraqi> i installed on windows
[00:41] <Iraqi> is installed then gave me error in HDD
[00:41] <Iraqi> unstalled
[00:42] <Iraqi> again i installed
[00:42] <Iraqi> and successed
[00:42] <Iraqi> but when opening is work freeze
[00:42] <Iraqi> too much hard open some thing or when click
[00:42] <Iraqi> just termnial work fine
[00:43] <penguin42> do you know what the error it gave was?
[00:43] <Iraqi> there are no error
[00:43] <Iraqi> just work hard and freeze
[00:44] <Iraqi> like ram 256 mb and windows vista
[00:44] <Iraqi> will windows working too hard
[00:44] <Iraqi> like this
[00:45] <penguin42> when it freezes does it come back or does it keep frozen?
[00:47] <Iraqi> freeze work mean when move mouse take a time and when want click on some app or any thing take time freeze then back work and open
[00:47] <Iraqi> my ram 1.50 G
[00:49] <penguin42> but it does work - it just takes a long time?
[00:49] <Iraqi> yes work but freeze stay more two minutes then back work
[00:50] <Iraqi> and again when just click on desktop will back to freeze
[00:50] <penguin42> hmm
[00:50] <penguin42> Iraqi: When it happens, use the dmesg command and see if there are any errors logged
[00:51] <Iraqi> which command?
[00:51] <penguin42> dmesg
[00:52] <Iraqi> wait please
[00:56] <Iraqi> is showing long lines
[00:57] <Iraqi> alot of lines*
[00:57] <Iraqi>   penguin42
[00:57] <penguin42> can you get them to a website so I can look at them? Maybe use paste.ubuntu.com - the last 30 or 40 lines maybe?
[00:58] <Iraqi> i'm in anther laptop
[00:58] <Iraqi> wait i try it
[01:04] <Iraqi> penguin42 check it in:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/465228/
[01:05] <penguin42> Iraqi: Is that after it has frozen?
[01:06] <Iraqi> is terminal was opened before and i typed it
[01:06] <Iraqi> you want in time freeze i type dmesg?
[01:06] <penguin42> but has it frozen yet in this boot ?
[01:07] <Iraqi> when i use terminal will not happen any freeze but when i minmize terminal or any other app  will start freeze
[01:08] <penguin42> but has it frozen in this particular boot
[01:08] <Iraqi> you mean please?
[01:09] <penguin42> since you rebooted has it frozen
[01:09] <Iraqi> so how i fix it?
[01:11] <penguin42> Iraqi: I can't help unless you can answer the question; maybe there is an IRC channel that speaks your native language that would be easier for you
[01:12] <Iraqi> them not answer
[01:12] <Iraqi> can you try step by step way to Fix it
[01:13] <penguin42> Iraqi: 1) Make your machine freeze       2) do dmesg  and paste that dmesg
[01:13] <penguin42> do NOT reboot between 1 and 2
[01:13] <Iraqi> i didn't reboot
[01:13] <Iraqi> reboot ( restart) < you mean right
[01:14] <penguin42> yes
[01:14] <Iraqi> wait is take time
[01:15] <penguin42> the only errors in that dmesg were about your wireless, so it's not that - you could try running 'top' in a terminal while it freezes and maybe that will show what is happening; I would also check your hard disk is OK
[01:19] <Iraqi> penguin42    http://paste.ubuntu.com/465232/
[01:20] <penguin42> Iraqi: That polkitd segfault is very unusual
[01:20] <Iraqi> same a hard action terminal on comman gmesg with freeze is going on treminal after freeze stop
[01:20] <Iraqi> mean?
[01:21] <Iraqi> command dmesg*
[01:21] <penguin42> sorry, I don't understand that
[01:21] <Iraqi> forget it, what you mean it?
[01:21] <Iraqi> That polkitd segfault is very unusual?
[01:21] <Iraqi> <<
[01:22] <penguin42> it should not happen, I don't know if that is the cause of your problem, but it shouldn't happen
[01:22] <Iraqi> what this must be not happen?
[01:23] <Iraqi> give me command line to kill it...
[01:26] <Iraqi> penguin42  ??? it can fix or i go?
[01:27] <penguin42> I don't know the fix for the polkit error, and I can't tell if it is the reason for your stalls
[01:28] <Iraqi> thanks... better back to windows 7 and unstall ubuntu :)
[01:29] <Iraqi> thanks again penguin42 for your time :)
[01:29] <Iraqi> bye bye
[01:30]  * penguin42 goes to bed
[03:29] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[04:34] <xxiao_> i believe on 10.04 'ls' command has memory leak
[04:34] <xxiao_> used valgrind and did some tests with it
[04:35] <xxiao_> on debian it's fine, if you keep running 'ls' you will see it
[04:35] <micahg> xxiao_: it's basically the same as karmic
[04:36] <xxiao_> i know
[04:36] <micahg> xxiao_: feel free to file a bug against coreutils
[04:36] <xxiao_> valgrind reports 120 bytes leak, i then did a while : do ls
[04:36] <xxiao_> after half hour i saw quite some leaks accumulating
[04:37] <xxiao_> filing it now
[04:45] <kermiac> vish: ok, I have emailed both of the students. Hopefully they will respond & we can start rocking. Thanks mate :)
[04:45] <xxiao_> done filing, thanks
[05:16] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[06:27] <stanley_robertso> hi rackIT
[08:16] <drew212> micahg: you around?
[08:16] <drew212> or ddecator?
[08:17] <micahg> drew212: yes
[08:18] <drew212> micahg: bug 606679 looks to me like it **might be ready to triage** the backtrace looks like it's good, but i wouldn't know...
[08:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606679 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox hangs intermittently for no apparent reason. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606679
[08:19] <drew212> importance would be medium: has a moderate impact on a core application
[08:19] <micahg> drew212: backtrace has no symbols
[08:19] <drew212> =(, and i thought i was doing so good...
[08:19] <micahg> drew212: if you see ?? () in the backtrace, it means that the symbols are missing
[08:19]  * drew212 noted
[08:20] <drew212> alright, ill get to work =)
[08:20] <micahg> drew212: that would be good for us to find out soon since it's supposed to be released Tuesday
[08:21] <drew212> micahg: what is released tuesday?
[08:21] <micahg> drew212: Firefox 3.6.7
[08:21] <drew212> O_o
[08:22] <drew212> micahg: what symbols does he need, and how do i know?
[08:22]  * drew212 is very scared of backtrace tools, they're not user friendly at all
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: firefox-dbg
[08:23] <micahg> or firefox-dbgsym if the ddeb repos are installed
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: scratch that
[08:23] <drew212> and how does he install that? sudo apt-get intall firefox-dbg?
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: firefox-dbg will be fine
[08:23] <micahg> drew212: yes
[08:23] <drew212> micahg: how the hell do you know all this
[08:23]  * drew212 looks frustrated (lol)
[08:24] <micahg> drew212: I've been doing this for almost a year now
[08:24] <micahg> drew212: over a year with bugs
[08:26] <drew212> micahg: is there an all inclusive set of debugging symobls (possibly a dumb question) i don't want to have to worry about every installing any of them or having to find them if i need them for a different program again =P
[08:26] <micahg> drew212: unfortunately not, apport can install that for you though
[08:26] <drew212> micahg: what if its not a crash?
[08:27] <micahg> drew212: well, the symbols help for any backtrace, not just crashes
[08:28] <drew212> micahg: i guess what i'm getting at is, how do i know what symbols need to be installed for a certain package? I find when I'm debugging alot i come up to roadblocks, things arent clearly explained anywhere =P
[08:29] <micahg> drew212: well, find the files with ?? () in your backtrace, then install the dbgsym package for them, if it's in a PPA, you'll need the -dbg package for the whole source
[08:30] <drew212> micahg: would i need to find the symobols for each file? =X
[08:30] <micahg> drew212: yeah, unless you just install the symbols for all the depends
[08:31] <drew212> and how would you suggest i search for the files in launchpad? when i google the file name it shows a bunch of bugs =P
[08:31] <micahg> drew212: not launchpad, install apt-file
[08:32] <drew212> micahg: you lost me, sorry =X
[08:32] <micahg> drew212: if you're searching for files, apt-file is the easiest way for your release
[08:32] <drew212> ok...
[08:33] <drew212> how do i use it?
[08:33] <micahg> drew212: man apt-file :)
[08:33] <drew212> micahg: next ?, where/how do i install it? =P
[08:34] <micahg> drew212: it's a package :)
[08:34] <drew212> micahg: damnit you're making me work for it on purpose!
[08:38] <drew212> micahg: ok, well i got it to spew a bunch of useless gibberish =D
[08:40] <maxwellian> drew212: FYI, this probably won't confuse the reporter, but in your comment you instructed them to run 'Sudo apt-get...', with a capital 'S' on sudo.
[08:41] <drew212> maxwellian: whoops! lol
[08:41] <maxwellian> drew212: Like I said, if they're comfortable enough to be running killall in the terminal they'll probably catch it themselves.
[08:41] <drew212> maxwellian: its a habbit to capitalize things at the start of a quote =X
[08:42] <maxwellian> drew212: Nevertheless, you might save some time by posting the correction.
[08:42] <drew212> true
[08:44] <drew212> maxwellian: corrected
[08:44] <drew212> micahg: is it bad if i need a man page for a man page =X, apt-file still has me lost on how to get usefull information
[08:45] <micahg> drew212: did you read it?
[08:45] <drew212> yeah, but it might as well be written in German...
[08:46] <drew212> micahg: terminal commands don't scare me, but idk how to come up with my own usefull commands unless its strikingly easy or similar to another one... i feel helpless here =X
[08:46]  * micahg thought the man page was pretty clear
[08:47] <micahg>  Some actions are required to run the search:
[08:47] <micahg>  update Resynchronize the package contents from their sources.
[08:47] <micahg> drew212: try apt-file -h
[08:50] <drew212> micahg: i guess i don't know what to do with the output it gives me... it would be easier if i could just search for launchpad where the files are located... then i could find how it ranks heroically and then download the dbg symbols for the whole package... and also see if any additional files i need symbols for are located in that package...
[08:51] <micahg> drew212: it's package: /path/to/file
[08:52] <micahg> drew212: you can also do a search on packages.ubuntu.com, but it's not always up to date
[08:53] <drew212> micahg: i get it! but its going to take some time to actually be able to use it usefully
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: ?
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: apt-file update
[08:53] <micahg> drew212: apt-file search /path/to/file or filename
[08:53] <drew212> micahg: the computer is great, the user, not so much =P
[08:54] <drew212> its already updated i mean
[08:54] <maxwellian> drew212: Since I've never done what you're trying to do, would you mind explaining...what you're trying to do? :P  You already have the debugging symbols for mutt, so what now?
[08:54] <drew212> maxwellian: say i'm debugging a package, pidgin for instance, and someone gives me a backtrace with no symbols...
[08:55]  * maxwellian nods
[08:55] <drew212> and he has several files listed, say X1, X2, X3, X4
[08:55] <maxwellian> drew212: Files?  As in libraries?
[08:55] <drew212> i want to find out what debugging symobls i need for those files...
[08:56] <drew212> maxwellian: idk, i'm pretty new to the linux scene so sure? *worried look*
[08:56] <drew212> say x1, x2, and x3, require debugging_symobls1
[08:57] <drew212> and x4 requires debugging_symobls2 and x5 requires debugging_symbols3
[08:57] <drew212> i want to figure out how i can find that out... and quickly cross reference, without having to look up each file individually
[08:58] <drew212> not to mention the problem of figuring out what dbg symobls they need in the first place...
[08:58] <micahg> drew212: that's what everyone has to do unless they know what package the file is in
[08:59] <drew212> micahg: i wish i knew how to program better, and in python, so i could make a program do the work for me...
[08:59] <maxwellian> drew212: Yes, I was going to suggest that. :P
[08:59] <drew212> programmers are hella lazy if you didn't know =P
[08:59] <micahg> drew212: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingWithApportRetrace
[09:00] <drew212> micahg: sweet =)
[09:00] <drew212> thats definetly going onto on of my top things i need to read
[09:09] <drew212> micahg: thanks again for helping my with all my stupid questions =P
[09:09] <micahg> drew212: no stupid questions here :)
[09:10] <drew212> micahg: I worry that people get frustrated, cuz i get *really* frustrated with myself when i cant figure it out =X
[09:11] <drew212> micahg: so when i find a library that needs debuging symobls, and i use apt-file i use the package found before the colon, and then add -dbg to the end of it to get the correct debugging symbols?
[09:12] <micahg> drew212: well, no, -dbg are for source packages
[09:12] <drew212> i wish there was a program i was having a problem with so i could actually try things hands on instead of doing everything theoretically in my head =X
[09:12] <micahg> drew212: if you add the ddeb repos, you can install the -dbgsym package for it if it's from the archive
[09:13] <maxwellian> drew212: The first sentence in the Introduction on the page micahg linked says that all the examples were created by forcing the crash using the kill tool.
[09:14] <maxwellian> drew212: So you might be able to do the same thing.
[09:14] <drew212> maxwellian: O_o thanks!
[09:15] <drew212> micahg: to make life easy on me, would it be easiest to get a crash report from someone experiencing a program hang and having them killall the program just to get a backtrace?
[09:16] <micahg> drew212: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[09:20] <drew212> well, my head is spinning, and i need to get to bed, thanks for all the help micahg and maxwellian
[09:21] <micahg> drew212: night
[09:21] <maxwellian> drew212: Sure.  You are clearly a little in over your head, but keep at it. ;)
[09:22] <drew212> maxwellian: definetly in over my head =P, but i don't know how to get deeper, other than just dive in!
[09:22] <maxwellian> drew212: Yup.  Good luck, thanks for helping out where you can. :)
[09:22] <micahg> drew212: yep, that and asking questions
[09:26] <maxwellian> micahg: For my own education, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash, -dbg and -dbgsym are equivalent.  What were you saying about source packages?
[09:27] <micahg> maxwellian: -dbg is for the source package -dbgsym is for the binary package
[09:31] <maxwellian> micahg: I don't understand.  The symbols are already in the source code, they are only lost in compilation.  Why would you need symbols for a source package?
[09:31] <micahg> maxwellian: it provides symbols for all the bianries
[09:31] <micahg> *binaries
[09:32] <maxwellian> micahg: Sorry, I'm still pretty new...are you saying there are binaries in source packages?
[09:32] <micahg> maxwellian: 1 source can produce multiple binaries
[09:32] <micahg> so the -dbg package can have symbols for all of them
[09:33] <micahg> actually, that's werid...
[09:33] <micahg> not always the case
[09:33] <maxwellian> micahg: ?
[09:33] <micahg> maxwellian: well, you can have a -dbg for each binary as well
[09:35] <maxwellian> micahg: So...they are equivalent, as stated on the wiki page?
[09:36] <maxwellian> micahg: Assuming I'm reading it correctly...not at all certain. ;)
[09:36] <micahg> yes
[09:37] <maxwellian> micahg: Okay, I guess that makes sense.  Weird that they would be named differently.  Thanks!
[10:55] <arjunak01> im unable to report a bug in nautilus ubuntu-bug says that "The problem cannot be reported:This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[10:56] <yofel_> arjunak01: can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache nautilus' please?
[10:57] <arjunak01> yofel_:"apt-cache nautilus" ?
[10:57] <micahg> arjunak01: apt-cache policy nautilus
[10:58] <yofel> *headdes* - just woke up..
[10:58] <yofel> sory, micahg is right
[10:58]  * micahg needs to sleep
[10:58] <arjunak01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/465402/
[11:00] <micahg> arjunak01: Ubuntu doesn't have that version
[11:00] <arjunak01> is it because of nautilus-elementary ppa??
[11:00] <micahg> arjunak01: that's why apport's giving the error
[11:00] <arjunak01> ok i will remove it and try again,thanks
[11:01] <micahg> arjunak01: are you sure the error is in the Ubuntu release version? 2.31 is a development version
[11:02] <arjunak01> as i said i will try it on 2.30
[15:13] <mantiena-baltix> It seems there are some problems with Ubuntu 10.04.1 daily builds - there are no new daily-live images since yesterday, see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lucid/daily-live/
[15:15] <yofel> mantiena-baltix: for iso testing you should ask in #ubuntu-testing
[15:15] <mantiena-baltix> yofel: thanks
[15:18] <mantiena-baltix> yofel: I told about this issue in #ubuntu-testing, but got no answer :(
[15:19] <mantiena-baltix> Maybe someone can tell me where I should report issue about missing lucid daily-live cdimages?
[15:28] <penguin42> mantiena-baltix: I'd give it another day or 2 - it's quite possible something broke, and I'm sure there is someone who owns that stuff and will spot it, if it doesn't fix itself after a day or two then I'd report it
[15:31] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[15:31] <penguin42> hi
[15:37] <stanley_robertso> hi penguin42
[16:02] <njin> Hy, i've a question, we triage only pidgin-skype bugs or Skype (from Lucid-partner) too ?
[17:52] <stanley_robertso>  hi vish
[18:16] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[18:17] <njin> Hy, i've a question, we triage only pidgin-skype bugs or Skype (from Lucid-partner) too ?
[19:21] <drew212> micahg: bug 606679 looks good now, he has all the symbols and everything installed...
[19:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606679 in firefox (Ubuntu) "firefox hangs intermittently for no apparent reason. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606679
[19:29] <micahg> drew212: I'm looking to see if I can find something now
[19:37] <micahg> drew212: just replied after reading some upstream bugs
[20:11] <drew212> micahg: in his backtrace , just before he gets Program received signal SIGPIPE, Broken pipe.
[20:11] <micahg> drew212: right
[20:12] <drew212> oh, i thought you were asking if he got one? I reread your comment and you asked for in terminal without debugging =P
[20:12] <micahg> drew212: correct
[20:13] <drew212> micahg: on a side note, do you know where ddecator is? i havent seen him around in a little while =X
[20:14] <micahg> drew212: somewhere on the other side of the lake :)
[20:14] <drew212> micahg: vaca?
[20:14] <micahg> drew212: home
[20:15] <drew212> micahg: oh, idk where either of you live... lol
[20:18] <WeatherGod> micahg, hi, think you could reset a "triaged" status for me...
[20:19] <WeatherGod> a commenter changed it from triaged to confirmed
[20:19] <micahg> WeatherGod: sure
[20:19] <WeatherGod> bug 501207
[20:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 501207 in brasero (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "sound-juicer, rhythmbox, nautilus crash at audio CD insertion (affects: 13) (dups: 2) (heat: 74)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/501207
[20:19] <WeatherGod> thanks
[20:19] <micahg> WeatherGod: done
[20:21] <WeatherGod> also, could someone take a look at bug 496681, we gathered some interesting info
[20:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 496681 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Rhythmbox does not save playlist on iPod (affects: 17) (heat: 98)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496681
[20:21] <WeatherGod> I have been away so I haven't been able to catch up on triaging for a while
[20:21] <drew212> micahg: for bug 140732 if a bug is fixed in a newer release do we mark it fix released like he did, or are you supposed to mark it incomplete, as the unknown fix GM script does?
[20:21] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 140732 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) "Square roots not correctly rendered in MathML (heat: 4)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140732
[20:22] <micahg> drew212: normally invalid if we never confirmed if it was an issue
[20:23] <drew212> micahg: but if something is confirmed as an issue, but it somehow gets fixed in an update then we mark fix released even if it wasn't "being worked on"?
[20:24] <micahg> drew212: yes
[20:24] <drew212> k thanks
[23:50] <trinikrono> hey all!
[23:50] <trinikrono> does anyone triage on sundays :D
[23:50] <micahg> trinikrono: sure
[23:50] <trinikrono> nice can you help with x bugs lol
[23:51] <trinikrono> i remember you working with firefox though
[23:51] <micahg> trinikrono: no :)
[23:51] <micahg> trinikrono: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[23:53] <trinikrono> yea, maybe i might join the x swat team if they treat men nice
[23:54] <trinikrono> when i goto assign bugs i finding a lot of the xorg bugs
[23:57] <trinikrono> hey micahg help me something, when to use the nominate for release link?
[23:57] <micahg> trinikrono: when you need an SRU
[23:59] <trinikrono> so if i want to tag a release i should also affects distribution?
[23:59] <trinikrono> use
[23:59] <micahg> trinikrono: npo
[23:59] <micahg> trinikrono: only if you need an SRU


[00:16] <ubotu> New bug: #176808 in autopano-sift (universe) "Sponsor: autopano-sift_2.4-0ubuntu7" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176808
[00:26] <ubotu> New bug: #176810 in firefox (main) "ZOrder: Flash video obscures javascript menus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176810
[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176811 in update-manager (main) "dist update crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176811
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #176812 in xfce4-volstatus-icon (universe) "Sponsor: xfce4-volstatus-icon_0.1.0-0ubuntu3" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176812
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #176813 in ubuntu "cannot hear any sound. My driver is Conexant analog ALSA for playback. Read all kind of ways to compile things and such but too complex for an amateur like me. Help please..." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176813
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176814 in gnome-panel (main) "Going to Places -> $(some SMB server) freezes Gnome-Panel until folder has loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176814
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176815 in pinentry (main) "pinentry-gtk2 does not register keys while scim-bridge is running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176815
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #176818 in holotz-castle (universe) "Sound will play at reduced volume when restarting a level after death" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176818
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #176821 in liferea (main) "Needs 'Updating...' Tooltip" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176821
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #176822 in nautilus (main) "unable to login after updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176822
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176823 in gnome-media (main) "New loudspeaker volume control" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176823
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #176824 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176824
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #176825 in evolution-rss (universe) "Please sponsor evolution-rss 0.0.7 (universe) into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176825
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176826 in ubuntu "Language zh_CN not exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176826
[03:00] <crimsun> gexmap (from the exmap package) seems much more useful than top or free.
[03:13] <jjesse> where do i change a bug so it is linked upstream?
[03:16] <jjesse> grumble, cna't belive i can't find this, where do i link a bug on launchpad to a bug on kde.org?
[03:18] <crimsun> click Also affects Project
[03:19] <jjesse> thanks sorry felt stupid
[03:19] <crimsun> np at all. :)
[03:53] <ubotu> New bug: #176832 in firefox (main) "Firefox freezes when navigating away from a page with video." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176832
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #176833 in ubuntu "live CD hardy-desktop-i386.iso" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176833
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #176834 in apt (main) "[Wishlist] apt-cache shouls have a searchsrc command" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176834
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176836 in kde4libs (universe) "Rebuild kde4libs against libgif instead of libungif" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176836
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #176837 in audacious-plugins (universe) "Please merge audacious-plugins 1.4.2-1 (universe) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176837
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176840 in kdebase-workspace (universe) "package kdm-kde4 4:3.97.0-1ubuntu7 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso post-installation script devolvió el código de salida de error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176840
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176841 in imagemagick (main) "imagemagick identify Module Segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176841
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176842 in kde4libs (universe) "klauncher crashed with SIGSEGV in XCloseDisplay()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176842
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176843 in ubuntu "e1000 driver do not support 10M speed (Weybridge)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176843
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176844 in ntp (main) "ntpdate fails to get a server from /etc/ntp.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176844
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176847 in wine (universe) "Wine error in RSA key (key import?) (wine 0.9.46, 0.9.50; Gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176847
[06:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176849 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "package flashplugin-nonfree <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade:subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176849
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176852 in ubuntu "Keyboard not working at login prompt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176852
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #176853 in udev (main) "wmaster missing in udev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176853
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #176855 in ubuntu "Kernel panic occurs whilst laptop unattended" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176855
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #176856 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "flashplugin-nonfree won't install: missing library dep" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176856
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #176859 in faad2 (universe) "libfaad2-dev depends on specific version of libfaad2-0 in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176859
[08:38] <ubotu> New bug: #176865 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin can't land QQ and MSN" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176865
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176863 in ubuntu "Under System/Network is not possible to choose the network interface " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176863
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176875 in tomboy (main) "upgrading to hardy removes synchronisation configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176875
[08:47] <ubotu> New bug: #176876 in tomboy (main) "should use e-d-s todo list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176876
[08:47] <ubotu> New bug: #176877 in tomboy (main) ""help" in the todo list plugin goes to an missing page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176877
[08:48] <ubotu> New bug: #176862 in gworldclock (universe) "unsorted country list" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176862
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #176878 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176878
[09:22] <ubotu> New bug: #176881 in kdenetwork-kde4 (universe) "AMD64 version of kget-kde4 not up to date - breaks install of kdenetwork-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176881
[09:28] <ubotu> New bug: #176882 in ubiquity (main) "Hi, Iam trying to customize the debian, to create live cum install cd . I followed the document from the site "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization". After i created the CD by using that document and i included the ubiquity to install from live Cd. Then i boot the CD using the liveCd and I opened the ubiquity to install the live CD into the Harddisk. And i went into the manual partition option and t
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #176883 in ubiquity (main) "Error while creating new partition " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176883
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176886 in evince (main) "Inserting page number directly immediately jump back to old page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176886
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176887 in ltsp-client-builder "ltsp-build-client strips $http_proxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176887
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176888 in xbacklight (universe) "xbacklight not working in hardy, intel GM965" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176888
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #176889 in k3b (main) "k3b 1.0.4 in KDE 3.5.8 doesn't verify disc after burning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176889
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #176890 in squashfs (main) "squashfs-source doesn't compile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176890
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #176891 in gnome-panel (main) "Power off button disappeared,  so did restart." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176891
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #147969 in speech-dispatcher (universe) "sd_espeak crashed with SIGSEGV in snd_pcm_state()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147969
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176892 in tracker (main) "Select the search box when the tray icon is clicked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176892
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #176893 in yaws (universe) "Please sync yaws 1.73-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176893
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #176895 in mldonkey (universe) "mlnet crashes very often in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176895
[11:18] <ubotu> New bug: #176896 in man-db (main) "ko_KR.UTF-8 multibyte patch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176896
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #176898 in ubuntu "Ubuntu Hardy system sounds and some other audio files are not properly played" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176898
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #176899 in groff (main) "insert korean font at devutf8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176899
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #176902 in kdegraphics (main) "kpdf locks sound output" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176902
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176903 in gnome-panel (main) "[Gutsy] Gnome panel freezes after scheduled filesystem chek on login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176903
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176911 in network-manager (main) "no network connection when using wvdial, pon, gnome-ppp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176911
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #176914 in debtags (main) "[hardy] debtags needs rebuild against latest APT" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176914
[12:10] <gary4gar> Bug #43154, has some new development, can anyone check it please
[12:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 43154 in xserver-xorg-video-via "freezes with 3D applications on VIA Unichrome K8M800, KM400" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43154
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #176916 in ubuntu "screen resolution and model wont change" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176916
[12:20]  * persia remembers discussing this bug previously
[12:22] <persia> gary4gar: Is via's new driver binary, or source pushed upstream?
[12:26] <gaurish> sorry i got Disconnected
[12:26] <gaurish> whats the last msg ?
[12:27] <gary4gar> i am gary4gar
[12:29] <persia> gary4gar: Is via's new driver binary, or source pushed upstream?
[12:29]  * persia doesn't really understand via vs. openchrome vs. unichrome
[12:29] <gary4gar> it has a binary for gusty, lemme check if there is a source too
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176917 in centericq (universe) "[centericq] [CVE-2007-3713] buffer overflow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176917
[12:32] <gary4gar> persia, nopes there only a binary
[12:32] <gary4gar> its xxx.run
[12:32] <gary4gar> users have to run it by $ sh xxx.run
[12:32] <persia> gary4gar: Hmm.  I don't remember seeing any special support for via binaries in the binary drivers section.  Hard to know where to poke for that.  Sorry :(
[12:33] <gary4gar> also it only work of the default kernel of gutsy 2.6.22
[12:33] <gary4gar> it means any users who have upgraded kernel, it will not work
[12:33] <gary4gar> ohk...i understand
[12:34] <persia> Yeah.  It sounds like via isn't really that agressive about Linux yet :(
[12:35] <gary4gar> :(
[12:35] <gary4gar> i am currently on hardy alpha it didn't work for me by default
[12:36] <gary4gar> i botted into the gutsy default kernel then it worked but still...FPS has dropped :(
[12:36] <gary4gar> earlier it was 550 or something, now its just 80
[12:37] <gary4gar> can you say how to revert back?
[12:39] <ubotu> New bug: #176469 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176469
[12:39] <ubotu> New bug: #176919 in mydns "[mydns] [CVE-2007-2362] buffer overflow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176919
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #176920 in wpasupplicant (main) "[wpasupplicant] [CVE-2007-6025] remote DoS (crash) vulnerability" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176920
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #176900 in epiphany-browser (main) "epiphany-gecko crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176900
[12:58] <ubotu> New bug: #176922 in openoffice.org (main) "text wrap around photograph" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176922
[13:16] <ubotu> New bug: #176924 in bmpx (universe) "BMPx need update in hardy. New 0.40.13 Stable published" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176924
[13:30] <ubotu> New bug: #176925 in galeon (universe) "Please merge galeon 2.0.4-1 into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176925
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #176926 in firefox (main) "A bug in Acer's enterprise portal.  Flash image displays on top of list items, which is different from the behavior in IE." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176926
[13:45] <ubotu> New bug: #176927 in ia32-libs-kde (universe) "[ia32-libs-kde] Qt vulnerabilities inherited?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176927
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #176929 in system-config-printer (main) "Requires icons it does not depend on" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176929
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176931 in lookup-el (universe) "[lookup-el] [CVE-2007-0237] possible local symlink attack" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176931
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176932 in ubuntu "system powers down after 10 hours, log says 'exiting on signal 15'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176932
[13:57] <ubotu> New bug: #176930 in deluge-torrent (universe) "deluge crashed with TypeError in get()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176930
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #176933 in ia32-libs (universe) "[hardy AMD64] libpcre missing from ia32-libs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176933
[14:25] <ubotu> New bug: #173706 in system-config-printer (main) "system-config-printer.py crashed with AttributeError in populateList()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173706
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #176934 in lsb (main) "killproc routine removes PID file even if HUP is sent to process." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176934
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176549 in alsa-lib "Microphone not working with STAC9227 controller" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176549
[14:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176936 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] URandR" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176936
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #176938 in firefox (main) "Bloqueo de la ventana firefox al ejecutar videos de la página you tube" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176938
[15:13] <ubotu> New bug: #176939 in gdm (main) "gdmsetup crashes in Romanian localization" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176939
[15:13] <ubotu> New bug: #176941 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "periodic eclipse crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176941
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #176942 in blender (universe) "blender-bin crashed with on compiz on intel i945" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176942
[15:33] <ubotu> New bug: #176946 in ubuntu "cannot open .ogg files on vlc nor mplayer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176946
[15:58] <ubotu> New bug: #176949 in kde-systemsettings (main) "Static IP configuration gives "default gateway IP address is invalid" error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176949
[15:58] <ubotu> New bug: #176951 in libcommons-collections3-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176951
[15:59] <ubotu> New bug: #176952 in commons-beanutils (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176952
[15:59] <ubotu> New bug: #176953 in libcommons-lang-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176953
[15:59] <ubotu> New bug: #176954 in flute-1.3-jfree (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176954
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176956 in libloader (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176956
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176957 in libfonts-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176957
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176958 in libformula (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176958
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #176959 in libitext-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176959
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #176955 in libjcommon-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176955
[16:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176960 in libjakarta-poi-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176960
[16:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176961 in jcommon-serializer (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176961
[16:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176962 in libxml-java (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176962
[16:07] <ubotu> New bug: #176963 in sacjava (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176963
[16:10] <ubotu> New bug: #176967 in jfreereport (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176967
[16:10] <ubotu> New bug: #176968 in neon27 (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176968
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #176965 in librepository (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176965
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #176966 in liblayout (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176966
[16:23] <bddebian> Boo
[16:25] <ubotu> New bug: #176969 in ubuntu "no symols only tex in symbolbar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176969
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #176970 in gnome-games (main) "gnome- games package provides package gnuchess, but doesn't provide gnuchess executable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176970
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #176972 in irda-utils (main) "irda-utils installation/-f installation/upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176972
[16:59] <bdmurray> pedro_: do you have any ideas about bug 119782?
[16:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119782 in ubuntu "Lose Bluetooth At Gnome Start" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119782
[17:04] <pedro_> bdmurray: let me see
[17:09] <pedro_> bdmurray: i don't think that's a GNOME issue, but it would be nice to have some logs (syslog,messages, etc) to see what's going
[17:10] <bdmurray> pedro_: okay, thanks
[17:11] <pedro_> sure, np
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #176973 in xmlsec1 (universe) "Move from universe to main due to OOo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176973
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #176974 in pitivi (universe) "pitivi can't connect to esd sink" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176974
[17:40] <ubotu> New bug: #176979 in tuxguitar (multiverse) "[needs-packaging] tuxguitar-alsa" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176979
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #176981 in tracker (main) "Add an option to tracker-applet to hide it" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176981
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #176983 in meta-gnome2 (universe) ""Screens and Graphics" controls never save resolution or refresh rate settings (and is redundant with "Screen Resolution" controls)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176983
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #176984 in ubuntu "update manager crash and doesn't update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176984
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #176986 in pidgin (main) "Pidgin automaticaly crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176986
[18:17] <warp10> Hi all!
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #176987 in ubuntu ""no sound" by acer aspire 5720" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176987
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176990 in nspluginwrapper (multiverse) "nspluginwrapper libpcre.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176990
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176991 in verbiste (universe) "Candidate for version 0.1.19-0ubuntu2" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176991
[19:06] <ubotu> New bug: #176992 in gnome-terminal (main) "Installed Ubuntu 7.1 - Internal ERR Failed to initialize HAL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176992
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #176994 in zsh-lovers "Update Maintainer field in packages modified before DebianMaintainerField spec" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176994
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #176996 in ubuntu "RipperX, Grip Repository does not install all dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176996
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #176997 in recoll (universe) "Recoll package should recommend catdoc, antiword, xpdf and other helpers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176997
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #176998 in ubuntu "Varkon CAD dependency problem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176998
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #177000 in rocklight (universe) "Rocklight deps?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177000
[19:37] <ubotu> New bug: #177001 in rocklight (universe) "Rocklight only runs as Root" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177001
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177002 in iptables (main) "Include l7-filter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177002
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177003 in ubuntu "Screen saver logs out when "lock screen" is checked" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177003
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177005 in ubuntu "Xorg freezes and the system doesn't response" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177005
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177006 in evolution (main) "While writing an e-mail there is a 3 seconds freeze" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177006
[20:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177007 in file-roller (main) "file-roller crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177007
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #176947 in kde4libs (universe) "klauncher crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176947
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177008 in ikvm (universe) "pkg-config does not report proper path (dll's not installed in proper path)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177008
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177009 in thunderbird (main) "unable to put addresses from contact list into letter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177009
[20:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177010 in amsn (universe) "Provide legend for lists in privacy tab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177010
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177015 in avidemux (multiverse) "Avidemux version outdated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177015
[20:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177014 in nautilus (main) "nautilus doesn't always run correctly under fluxbox on gutsy i386" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177014
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #177016 in openoffice.org (main) "impress doesn't import images" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177016
[21:07] <ubotu> New bug: #130924 in ubiquity "Ship additional package: dvb-utils" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130924
[21:07] <ubotu> New bug: #177017 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "forcedeth stops working after random (?) period" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177017
[21:10] <calc> bug 131526
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131526 in openoffice.org "[gutsy] OpenOffice crashes/hangs with some Gtk themes (e.g. Crux)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131526
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #153065 in mythbuntu "Silicon Dust HDHomerun COnfiguration Utlity is enabled by default" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153065
[21:47] <ubotu> New bug: #177022 in pulseaudio (main) "package pulseaudio-module-hal 0.9.8-1ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177022
[21:47] <ubotu> New bug: #177023 in ubuntu "Mahjongg will not leave fullscreen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177023
[21:48] <ubotu> New bug: #177020 in ubuntu "Screensaver will not come on with torrent transfer active" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177020
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177024 in ubuntu "I can't mount my stick datatraveler reader 2gb of kingston" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177024
[21:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177026 in linux-meta (main) "palm z22 won't sync" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177026
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177025 in brasero (main) "Brasero 0.6.90 release package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177025
[22:01] <ubotu> New bug: #177027 in tracker (main) "notification icon window has no obvious way to close " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177027
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177028 in compiz (main) "Video Play back corrupted after making ANY change to Desktop Effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177028
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #177029 in compiz (main) "Video Play back corrupted after making ANY change to Desktop Effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177029
[22:11] <ubotu> New bug: #177032 in dash (main) "Regression with filename glob expanding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177032
[22:15] <ubotu> New bug: #177034 in gwenview (main) "Gwenview crashes frequently" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177034
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177030 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "Error in /usr/share/gtkpod-aac/scripts/convert-m4a2mp3.sh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177030
[22:16] <ubotu> New bug: #177031 in xfce4-battery-plugin (main) "Merge: xfce4-battery-plugin-0.5.0-3ubuntu1" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177031
[22:20] <ubotu> New bug: #177033 in libept (main) "FTBFS: ept/runtest fails with recent dash version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177033
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #157123 in lirc "Niveus Media remote wasn't listed in the install" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157123
[22:27] <wolfger> bug #177036
[22:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177036 in kdebase "unable to mount hard disks which are not already mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177036
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #157228 in lirc "Mythbuntu dropdown list for remote controls does not include HP 5069-8344" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157228
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #177035 in kdetoys-kde4 (universe) "debian/copyright is wrong" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177035
[22:32] <ubotu> New bug: #177036 in kdebase (main) "unable to mount hard disks which are not already mounted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177036
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #175091 in apport (main) "apport-qt crashed with IOError in _read_gzip_header()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175091
[22:46] <ubotu> New bug: #177037 in ubuntu "The Kubuntu alternate installer CD lacks adsl support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177037
[22:49] <fish__> is nautilus-share that stuff where i can select a folder in nautilus for sharing via samba?
[22:50] <fish__> guess i found a bug, at least i would call it so
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177038 in gnome-speech (main) "Please merge gnome-speech 0.4.6-3 (universe) from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177038
[22:51] <ubotu> New bug: #177039 in openoffice.org (main) "OOo crashes when opening read-only document over SMB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177039
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #177040 in ubuntu "kde themes does not work in kubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177040
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #177042 in ubuntu "please let the user keep the artwork during the upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177042
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #177043 in hal-info (main) "hald fails to start due to NULL rule" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177043
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177045 in openoffice.org (main) "[gutsy] Writer not parsing multi-page documents correctly." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177045
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #177047 in gedit (main) "Saving over SSH can cause gedit to become unresponsive if there is trouble connecting" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177047
[23:50] <ubotu> New bug: #177048 in wireshark (universe) "editcap build is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177048


[04:02] <MACscr> any ideas what im doing wrong here in regards to dnsmasq and resolv? it shows the correct ip's when i check the dnsmasq status, but then says no servers found in /var/run/dnsmasq/resolv.conf. Is that required if its getting them fine through my network interface file? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/1b71f30c/
[04:02] <MACscr> this is a xenial lts server
[05:14] <MACscr> weird. rebooted system to apply kernel updates and everything is good again
[05:40] <Ouyes> guys, is there any way that I can limit the buffer/cache used on ubuntu server?  My server is using too much memory for cache/buffer, the application is running lack of memory, sometimes it failed to allocate memory.
[08:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:24] <lordievader> Ouyes: Buffers/cache should be reclaimable memory by an application. You can drop them, but they are there for your benefit.
[08:24] <lordievader> Ouyes: https://www.tecmint.com/clear-ram-memory-cache-buffer-and-swap-space-on-linux/
[08:31] <Ouyes> lordievader, well  let me tell you something, the buffer/cache is used and controlled by the kernel, when free memory is low, the application will report "can't not allocate memory".
[08:33] <lordievader> "Disk cache can always be given back to applications immediately! You are not low on ram!" from https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[08:33] <lordievader> So, buffers/cache should not be a problem. But like I said, you can drop them.
[08:35] <Ouyes> lordievader, drop them ? how?  the application should got the priority to get memory, and the kernel should maintain how much should be put into cache, so in your opinion, every time when an application wants to get some memory, it should free some cache?
[08:37] <lordievader> The application does get the priority. The kernel only uses memory for cache/buffers that is unused. The kernel only needs to free some cache if there is no 'free' memory available.
[08:39] <Ouyes> lordievader, this is exactly the problem, the kernel did not free cache when application needs it.
[08:39] <Ouyes> lordievader, never mind, I increased my swap memory.
[08:41] <lordievader> Ouyes: Do you have `sysstat` installed? What is the output of `sudo sar -r 1 1`. The memory might simply be higly overcommitted.
[08:43] <Ouyes> lordievader,  overcommitted?
[08:44] <lordievader> Yes, there is a difference between how much memory an application request v.s. how much it actually uses.
[08:44] <lordievader> The kernel, by default, allows overcommitting till 150% if I recall correctly.
[08:45] <Ouyes> lordievader,  I am not quite following you, what are u trying to indicate? my application has a memory leakage?
[08:46] <Ouyes> lordievader, it is actually a ubuntu server
[08:47] <lordievader> Ouyes: No, that is not what I'm trying to say. Could you run the command I gave you?
[10:45] <ahasenack> good morning
[13:35] <samba35> if i want usb drivers to be loaded as a module ,not kernel componet then how do i remove usb drivers from kernel and add to as a module
[13:37] <rbasak> kstenerud: php7.3 should be availab.e in git-ubuntu now.
[13:50] <kstenerud> great Thanks!
[15:18] <muhaha> any idea how to set iptables permanently ? (18.10)
[15:18] <sdeziel> muhaha: check the netfilter-persistent package
[15:22] <Greyztar> With rsync,if sync job is rather large and to be most efficient would it be ok to do for the initial sync with --partial(-p),then if it gets scuffed by disconnect,one would use the --append-verify,then for further syncing use the --checksum option?
[15:33] <sdeziel> Greyztar: you could always run it with --partial, no? --checksum is rather expensive for large files since you need to read them all on both sides
[15:35] <Greyztar> sdeziel: yes that checksum hmm,but wouldnt partial start a whole new transfer again if i just redo that command after a disconnect or so?
[15:35] <sdeziel> Greyztar: no, --partial is specifically made to keep the partial file around in case of disconnect
[15:37] <sdeziel> Greyztar: what I don't like with --append-verify is the implied --inplace and the side effects it has
[15:37] <sdeziel> Greyztar: but maybe those side effects are OK for your use case, I don't know :)
[15:37] <Greyztar> sdeziel: thanks for the heads up i think i need to look further into this,ive only used abit gluster and ceph which for me atleast was set and forget hehe
[15:38] <sdeziel> Greyztar: for large file transfer, I really love zfs send/receive feature
[15:39] <Greyztar> sdeziel: zfs ive yet to handle,my dream is to have my storage all on zfs,but for homelab i find it not so flexible with raidz when cant add remove was it device or vdev ?
[15:42] <Greyztar> sdeziel: though they say they will implement it,when they do ill migrate,think can actually remove device now though,but add not so much
[15:42] <sdeziel> Greyztar: I've only used mirrors, sorry
[15:43] <Greyztar> sdeziel: ohh ok then it doesnt matter,but i fully agree zfs is the way to go thumbs up
[16:51] <Greyztar> sdeziel: did some reading though,would it be that omit append with --inplace as to if source file could get corrupted so have like 3 versions to compare with?
[16:55] <smoser> rbasak: katamo and Odd_Bloke (and a customer) were confused as to why bug 1802354 was not fixed in bionic.
[16:56] <smoser> i think the source of that was (partially) the message in comment 17
[16:56] <smoser> where would i request a fix to tooling that posted that message to mention "bionic-updates"
[16:56] <rbasak> smoser: see pending-sru
[16:56] <smoser> rather than just "-updates"
[16:56] <rbasak> There's a resoruce-agents armhf dep8 failure
[16:56] <rbasak> smoser: ubuntu-archive-tools
[16:56] <rbasak> smoser: sru-review script
[16:57] <rbasak> (also possibly sru-accept script)
[16:57] <smoser> ok.
[16:58] <smoser> katamo, Odd_Bloke i will follow up on trying to improve that message
[16:58] <katamo> smoser I'll try to read more carefully too ;) thanks for that follow through though!
[16:58] <smoser> but one of you should follow up in #ubuntu-release on requesting that failure to be ignored
[16:59] <smoser> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/r/resource-agents/bionic/armhf
[16:59] <smoser> katamo and for reference, "pending sru" that rbasak mentioned was
[16:59] <smoser>  https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[18:36] <v0lksman> I have an l2tp connection I'm trying to establish.  I believe I've set everything correctly however when I connect I don't see a new interface or IP bind to any of the existing interfaces. However in syslog I do see keep alives being sent and a few other entries regarding the tunnel
[18:36] <v0lksman> wondering if the remote (the "server") should be serving me an IP at this point or is this something I need to set strongswan or xl2tpd to receive?
[18:38] <v0lksman> I'm asking in server because the answers I've gotten to date are to use a GUI tool that was created, but I can't as it's headless
[18:49] <v0lksman> all good...bad config
[18:57] <leftyfb> Anyone know the proper replacement for Wants=network-online.target? Since this doesn't actually work.
[18:57] <leftyfb> In a systemd unit that is
[18:58] <sdeziel> leftyfb: have you also set After=network-online.target?
[18:58] <leftyfb> I've tried that as well
[18:58] <leftyfb> and Requires
[18:59] <leftyfb> and every permutation of those
[18:59] <leftyfb> I've seen lots of posts online of network-online not actually working the way it's supposed to
[19:00] <sdeziel> systemctl is-enabled NetworkManager-wait-online.service systemd-networkd-wait-online.service => do you have any of those "enabled"
[19:00] <leftyfb> No
[19:01] <sdeziel> or maybe you are using ifupdown?
[19:01] <leftyfb> it's a server so NetworkManager isn't installed
[19:01] <leftyfb> it's 16.04, so yes, ifupdown
[19:01] <rbasak> leftyfb: do you know about https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/NetworkTarget/ /
[19:01] <rbasak> ?
[19:01] <sdeziel> I think you could depend on ifup@$IFACE or something
[19:02] <leftyfb> rbasak: yep. Read the entire page several times. It's stating to do what we already had configured originally.
[19:03] <sdeziel> I'd try Wants= and<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:03] <rbasak> I'm not sure how well ifupdown is integrated with network-online.target.
[19:04] <leftyfb> sdeziel: we have a gross workaround using "until", but I was looking for a cleaner solution
[19:04] <rbasak> The page explains why network-online.target is ill-defined
[19:04] <leftyfb> rbasak: right, so is there a better alternative?
[19:06] <rbasak> leftyfb: for what? http://xyproblem.info/ etc
[19:06] <leftyfb> alternative to network-online.target
[19:07] <leftyfb> to determine if we're online .
[19:09] <rbasak> Define "online"!
[19:09] <rbasak> See the upstream page :)
[19:13] <leftyfb> ping able to contact a host over the internet ... in this case, a REDIS server
[19:13] <teward> i'm going to go out on a limb and say that "online" is a determination of if the network interface is up
[19:14] <teward> not necessarily a connection to "other machines"
[19:14] <teward> if you are looking for an "actually able to reach things" state I'm not sure there's a SystemD target that fits that requirement
[19:15] <leftyfb> network-online is supposed to mean interface is up, has an ip and can contact a DNS server. <~~~ this would be adequate, but it doesn't work
[19:16] <teward> ehhh... "network-online.target is a target that actively waits until the nework is "up", where the definition of "up" is defined by the network management software. "  <-- this is the actual definition
[19:16] <teward> according to rbasak's link
[19:16] <teward> but that's not really a 'clear' definition
[19:16] <teward> Or more specifically: "This will ensure that all configured network devices are up and have an IP address assigned before the service is started."  <-- this
[19:17] <teward> this doesn't mean that it'll verify connectivity exists if I'm reading this right
[19:17] <teward> just that it's got an IP assigned
[19:17] <leftyfb> that would be good if that were the case
[19:17] <rbasak> Unfortunately whatever definition you pick it will not work for some reasonably substational set of server users.
[19:17] <teward> ^ this
[19:17] <teward> which is why it's not really in 'mainstream' use :p
[19:17] <rbasak> That's why the best answer is as suggested in that page - fix the services.
[19:17] <teward> ^ this
[19:17] <leftyfb> ok, so there's no systemd solution
[19:18] <teward> it'd be better for your app/service to have in-built ability to test its own connectivity and 'not start' in those cases where it can't reach the other servers.
[19:18] <sdeziel> I don't even know if this target has any real meaning when using ifupdown
[19:18] <lordcirth> Yeah, the app (or a launch wrapper) should check
[19:18] <lordcirth> You could use ExecStartPre= for that, perhaps
[19:20] <leftyfb> lordcirth: Again, this is what we're already doing as a workaround. I was just looking for a cleaner way. Looks like there isn't one.
[19:20] <sdeziel> leftyfb: have you tried the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:20] <sdeziel> this worked for me in the past
[19:22] <leftyfb> ExecStartPre=/bin/bash -c 'until host remotehost.com; do sleep 1; done'
[19:22] <leftyfb> This is the workaround we're using. It works
[19:23] <rbasak> An "up" ifupdown stanza would be better than that.
[19:23] <lordcirth> Oh ok, sorry.  Didn't read the whole scrollback
[19:23] <rbasak> Or sdeziel's suggestion sounds even better
[19:28] <leftyfb> sdeziel: That's cleaner. I like it. Thank you
[19:29] <sdeziel> leftyfb: you are welcome
[21:03] <DammitJim> is there such a thing as openjdk 10?
[21:04] <nacc> DammitJim: generally? Yes, but not in any current release, I don't think
[21:05] <DammitJim> whatever happened to it? got superceded by 11?
[21:05] <nacc> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-lts/+publishinghistory
[21:05] <nacc> gives you a rough idea, i suppose
[21:06] <nacc> DammitJim: so that package builds openjdk 11, which confusingly for 18.04 users is still at 10.x .. It will update at some point in 18.04 (I believe there is an open bug for this you canfind easily)
[21:07] <nacc> DammitJim: LP: #1796027
[21:07] <DammitJim> OMG
[21:07] <DammitJim> thanks for clarifying


[22:26] <mhall119> itnet7: have you uploaded your pictures from the BBQ?
[22:26] <mhall119> I need to write a blog post to make cjohnston and jcastro feel bad :)


[06:19] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[06:29] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[06:29] <EriC^^> what's up?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> hey just woke up mate
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> gonna heat up this weekend a bit here
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> 15 degrees
[06:30] <EriC^^> nice
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> what your upto EriC^^
[06:30] <EriC^^> still raining here
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> didnt know lebanon had rain?
[06:31] <EriC^^> not much wish it wasnt raining i want to test the car
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> got a new one?
[06:32] <EriC^^> no it was having some problems after 5000rpm so i tried cleaning the air mass flow sensor
[06:32] <EriC^^> yeah lebanon isn't like most of the countries in the middle east, it's very different
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:33] <EriC^^> we have green every where, mountains, sea, beautiful weather, best nightlife in the world, and it's a christian country
[06:34] <nacc> lotuspsychje: going to bed here, good luck with the trolls
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> ty for trying nacc
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> at least taterots got banned hehe
[06:35] <nacc> lotuspsychje: i don't doubt that spotify in mate does something wonky
[06:35] <nacc> their boutique is strange
[06:35] <nacc> and makes mate different than stock ubuntu
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> spotify is perfect on snap now right
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> so mate can install snaps too
[06:35] <nacc> yeah
[06:36] <nacc> the boutique is weird, though
[06:36] <nacc> its curated, iirc
[06:36] <nacc> and only does debs
[06:36] <nacc> but i'm not 100% on that
[06:36] <nacc> they auto-add PPAs
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[06:36] <nacc> it's ... fugly for support
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> but snaps are jailed right
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> cant scramble up atp?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> apt
[06:38] <nacc> they are unrelated, right
[06:38] <nacc> so my point, briefly, is in mate, teh boutique will add the spotify ppa
[06:38] <nacc> and install the deb
[06:38] <nacc> that is deprecated now (well, sort of)
[06:38] <nacc> and i dont' thinkt he boutique can install snaps
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: didnt know it was christian
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> nacc: didnt try mate for a long time, not sure on it
[06:41] <Insectorx_> Ok im here.   I promise i mean well
[06:41] <ferretsatsuma> I know you do
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx_: do you understand what trolling means?
[06:41] <EriC^^> yeah lebanese are also pretty openminded cause like 16 countries had invaded them, last it was the french that's why we have very good ties with france
[06:41] <ferretsatsuma> I’m not sure that’s what he’s doing.
[06:42] <Insectorx_> I dont wanna be a troll.  But id
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: nacc tryed to help him, but he was turning in circles
[06:42] <ferretsatsuma> He might be experiencing the feeling of dejection that a newcomer feels when he sees Linux officionados swannign around like jeunesse dorée.
[06:42] <EriC^^> we finally got our independence like 70 years ago or something
[06:42] <ferretsatsuma> lotuspsychje: I believe you, but his frustration comes from a deeper plae.
[06:42] <ferretsatsuma> place.
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> nice EriC^^
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: how do you know what happened, you just joined?
[06:43] <Insectorx_> I just want to know what to do to be a linux user
[06:43] <ferretsatsuma> lotuspsychje: I didnt say I knew what happened. I said...
[06:43] <ferretsatsuma> “He might be experiencing the feeling of dejection that a newcomer feels when he sees Linux officionados swannign around like jeunesse dorée.”
[06:43] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: There’s quite a learning curve, the documentation is suboptimal, and the users can be cliquey.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: if you dont know what happened, you cant possibly know how he feels
[06:43] <EriC^^> he's psychic, ok
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> this is a problem of argueing instead of listening
[06:44] <EriC^^> :p
[06:44] <Insectorx_> Seriously tho.  Is it a troll to not have a positive experience with Ubuntu and have questions about it?
[06:44] <ferretsatsuma> lotuspsychje: Would you like to see my CV?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> no
[06:44] <Insectorx_> Im not pro windows or pro apple X
[06:44] <ferretsatsuma> lotuspsychje: Then stop bickering,.
[06:44] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: That’s the thing.
[06:44] <Insectorx_> Im legitimately looking for another os
[06:44] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: Right… and Linux might suit you, but there’s quite a learning curve.
[06:45] <Insectorx_> Please bleieve me that im not trying to be a troll or dick
[06:45] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: Your frustration is a natural response to the way that the Linux community can be.
[06:45] <Insectorx_> Thank you for understanding man
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> this place is ubuntu, not general linux help
[06:45] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: There’s a lot of groupthink going on. There’s also a kind of… I can’t think of the word. Being one of the group vs not being one of the group
[06:45] <Insectorx_> I wouldnt push if i didnt have the desire to learn
[06:46] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: n/p, I’ve been here since 1998.
[06:46] <Insectorx_> Youre cool.  Thanks for understanding
[06:46] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: n/p. All you needed was for someone to empathize.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx_: the fact from this morning was: you asked a question then dont answer what the volunteer asked and keep asking you need 'linux' help
[06:47] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: You see, lots of IT folks are either on the autism spectrum or are dicks. The former is a medical condition; the latter is a result of bad parenting and/or being isolated from regular people.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> !language | ferretsatsuma
[06:47] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: You see, lots of IT folks are either on the autism spectrum or are tumescent male phalli. The former is a medical condition; the latter is a result of bad parenting and/or being isolated from regular people.
[06:47] <ferretsatsuma> Better?
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: you cant generalize such statements
[06:48] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx_: So, when they talk to you, they treat you like an outsider who has to earn his/her way into the group. You’re treated with suspicion and a litlte bit of contempt because you haven’t earned your way into their little club.
[06:48] <Insectorx> Opps got disconnnected for a sec
[06:48] <ferretsatsuma> wb
[06:49] <ferretsatsuma> What was the last thing you heard me say? I’m not sure I’m being particularly interesting, but I’ll help you if I can.
[06:49] <Insectorx> Anyway.  I guess i just need to address each problem as it comes.
[06:49] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: Yes… and remember, these people work in the I.T. equivalent of the DMV (except DMV employees are paid).
[06:49] <Insectorx> Lol
[06:50] <Insectorx> Good point
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: for a guy saying your here from 98, you spreading alot of FUD
[06:51] <Insectorx> Also i respect people who put their time towards free open source projects.  But the "holier than thou" computer shit makes it hard
[06:51] <ferretsatsuma> Exactly
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: language please
[06:51] <Insectorx> Sry
[06:51] <ferretsatsuma> np
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: so..after an hour of argueing...we still dont know what you want
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: what will be your new approach?
[06:52] <ferretsatsuma> I ran one & I’ve seen it from both sides: the snotty users who want free software and free tech support, the tin-pot dictators who think they’re special because they have a .org website and a package in Debian...
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: same goes for you, whats your end prove out all of this?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: what is it you want to learn him?
[06:53] <Insectorx> I dont come on here often, but it seems like linux has a steep learning curve in general.  What is my best option for learning linux in a way that its usable?
[06:53] <ferretsatsuma> Insectorx: Your local LUG
[06:54] <Insectorx> ?
[06:54] <ferretsatsuma> When people are face-to-face, they’re less inclined to be jerks.
[06:54] <Insectorx> Lug?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> volunteers are evil and users are poor?
[06:54] <ferretsatsuma> Linux User Group — LUG
[06:54] <ferretsatsuma> They’re like synagogues. Most cities have at least one. ;)
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: this is not linux help, but ubuntu support
[06:54] <Insectorx> Lol really?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: if you want to learn linux try ##linux
[06:55] <Insectorx> Is that an irc channel??
[06:55] <ferretsatsuma> for your local LUG? Possibly
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> Insectorx: yes, your on irc :p
[06:55] <ferretsatsuma> Your best bet is to go to Google and look up “<your city> Linux User Group”
[06:55] <Insectorx> Cool.  I didnt know that existed
[06:55] <Insectorx> Thanks
[06:55] <ferretsatsuma> IRC is CMC (computer-mediated communciation), which is lean. By ‘lean’ I mean it has been stripped of nonverbal cues and nuances.
[06:56] <ferretsatsuma> That means people can come across as jerks when they aren’t trying to.
[06:56] <ferretsatsuma> It’s why emoticons were invented.
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> ferretsatsuma: can you please not use profanity in ever sentence
[06:56] <ferretsatsuma> Conversely, face-to-face has the usual social norms: don’t insult people, don’t yell, don’t physically kick people out of the room, etc.
[06:58] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> hey lordievader
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> how are you today
[06:59] <ferretsatsuma> Hi
[07:01] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje ferretsatsuma
[07:01] <lordievader> How are you guys?
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> fine here lordievader warming up
[07:02] <ferretsatsuma> Good! Thank you for asking. It’s a peaceful Thursday evening. Wife has the ‘flu, but she’s on the mend. How are you?
[07:03] <lordievader> Thursday evening? It's friday here already 😉
[07:03] <lordievader> Doing good here
[07:03] <ferretsatsuma> Wish I could figure out why ldconfig is segfaulting. It runs perfectly on one copy of the filsystem, on the other, it segfaults. The filesystems are identical. (I ran ‘diff’ twice.) It’s weird.
[07:04] <ferretsatsuma> I think it’s related to the auxiliary cache… but if I run ldconfig.real -i (ignore the aux cache) then it segfaults on both filesystems. I’ll try again w/ the original disk image (before apt-get upgrade) and see if there’s something wrong with libc.
[07:26] <ducasse> good morning, all
[07:36] <ferretsatsuma> morning
[07:36] <ferretsatsuma> That’s weird. … ldconfig.real -i segfaults if it’s run on a fresh copy of Ubuntu Core but not on Armbian.
[11:21] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:03] <jink> No.
[12:05] <BluesKaj> ??
[12:05] <jink> Just no.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> to?
[12:07] <jink> To everyting.
[12:07] <jink> everything* even.
[12:08] <BluesKaj> uhoh, sounding negtive
[12:09] <jink> Really? :')
[12:10] <BluesKaj> nevermind
[16:09] <hggdh> (late) mornings to all
[16:10] <ducasse> good afternoon :)
[16:19] <daftykins> \o
[16:25] <ducasse> oerheks: i see s10gopal is back again, i doubt he's actually trying any of the suggestions he's been given
[16:26] <daftykins> :D
[16:28] <ducasse> \o daftykins :)
[16:32] <oerheks> ducasse, acpi issue perhaps, i am not sure that drainage is a bug, if the uefi stuff is keeping wireless up for updates
[16:33] <ducasse> could try the acpi_osi kernel parameter
[17:13] <oerheks> he does not want to read about bug reporting
[17:17] <ducasse> whenever he is given a suggestion, he responds "doesn't work" - with no time to have tested it
[17:37] <oerheks> brb
[18:47] <nicomachus> weird. Got a pop-up GUI window saying a new update or release or something was ready but I closed it before I looked real close. apt update && apt full-upgrade found nothing. do-release-upgrade didn't even find anything. weird stuff.
[18:47] <oerheks> oi, maybe a push for a security update?
[18:48] <oerheks> kernel perhaps
[18:48] <nicomachus> I had a kernel upgrade yesterday but not today
[18:49] <nicomachus> I think I'm up to -105 on the 4.4 kernel now
[18:49] <nicomachus> oh wow. -112
[18:49] <daftykins> yeah 112 here
[18:50] <nicomachus> just removed -104
[18:51] <nicomachus> have -109 and -112 in /boot. why the number hopping?
[18:52] <daftykins> work on it, something doesn't work, build again
[18:52] <oerheks> secret lucky lotto numbers
[18:52] <nicomachus> yea I guess so. I've never paid super close attention to the versioning
[19:19] <hggdh> nicomachus: the missing number are kernels that were built, but not released
[20:47] <nicomachus> TJ-: gopal has to be trolling or just completely stupid.
[20:47] <TJ-> No, he's just very lost
[20:47] <nicomachus> he's been talking about his battery for at least a week now under a couple different nicks.
[20:48] <nicomachus> says he's tried every solution that anyone suggests, and refuses to believe that maybe the batteries just bad.
[20:48] <daftykins> oh dear a lying nick hopper
[20:48] <TJ-> Yes, I know, I've been helping since he first arrived
[20:48] <TJ-> Nothing wrong with the battery; there's a bug in the InSyde H20 firmware on these HP laptops
[20:49] <nicomachus> you had him blacklist the radeon driver to disable his AMD gpu, and I guess he never did because I tried to get him to blacklist it again yesterday and he says it still "doesn't work". idk.
[20:49] <oerheks> if he has no clue about his uefi/bios, maybe a bios updae would stop draining battery...
[20:49] <TJ-> No, we reinstalled fresh since I had him /test/ blacklist radeon - but I also had him /remove/ the blacklist once it was clear it didn't help
[20:50] <nacc> TJ-: what is "InSyde H20"?
[20:50] <nacc> sounds ... stupid :)
[20:50] <TJ-> I thought it was preventing the amdgpu driver from binding to the AMD GPU but it turns out that wasn't the reason; both modules need a kernel command-line parameter passing
[20:50] <daftykins> intel EFI iirc
[20:50] <TJ-> nacc: A brand of firmware
[20:50] <daftykins> pretty common name and logo you'll see on systems over the years
[20:50] <nacc> interesting
[20:50] <nacc> TJ-: and it's known buggy?
[20:52] <TJ-> nacc: oh yes, it's the one caused the broken Acer's/Lenovo's due to the Intel PLATFORM_SPI driver in 17.10
[20:52] <nacc> TJ-: oh lovelly
[20:52] <TJ-> nacc: and was implicated in the original Linux-bricks-my-EFI-boot-menu issues a few years ago where the NVRAM variables weren't getting deleted
[20:52] <nacc> right
[20:52] <nacc> TJ-: is there a bug filed to maybe try and detect such a case and emit a warning?
[20:54] <TJ-> nicomachus: this is the 'fix' for having the amdgpu driver take the GPU:
[20:54] <TJ-> "sudo sed -i 's/\(GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="\)/\1amdgpu.si_support=1 radeon.si_support=0 /' /etc/default/grub "
[20:54] <nacc> TJ-: that was from that freedesktop bug?
[20:54] <TJ-> the radeon.si_support=0 stops it from binding, and the amdgpu.si_support=1 allows it to bind
[20:55] <TJ-> nacc: which case are you talking about?
[20:55] <nacc> TJ-: the sed you just quoted; istr it was from an upstream bug someone filed?
[20:55] <nacc> TJ-: just trying to check my recollection, and know when to cite it
[20:56] <TJ-> I think it's still user-configured because driver support isn't complete for all the chipsets
[20:56] <nacc> ah
[20:56] <TJ-> I can't remember where I find it now
[20:58] <TJ-> We seem to have a handful of LP bugs related to amdgpu https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/?field.searchtext=amdgpu
[21:00] <TJ-> nacc: it wouldn't surprise me if gopal's HP's battery drain is due to the TPM - I noticed in the dmesg that device doesn't configure correctly
[21:00] <nacc> ah that would make some sense
[21:01] <nacc> even when off, though?
[21:01] <TJ-> but it's never off is it? that's the entire point with battery-powered devices, it's always on, just (suppposed to be) supplying very little current when 'off'
[21:02] <nacc> the TPM, yeah, i suppose that's possiblly true
[21:02] <nacc> i'm not sure, tbh
[21:02] <nacc> some BIOS let youd siable the TPM as well
[21:02] <TJ-> Even on desktops, you've got the same thing if you don't turn off at the wall. The PSU is providing 5V standby-by which keeps the PCH/southbridge powered so it can turn the system back on when the press-to-make power button is pressed
[21:04] <TJ-> All the talk about the Intel MEI/AMT operating whilst the system is 'turned off' - techies should know better; it's on 5VSB - turn off at the wall the thing won't magically exfiltrate data!
[21:04] <daftykins> :D
[21:05] <TJ-> This is what happens when software devs know nothing about hardware and electronics!
[22:05] <Bashing-om> It's Friday ! ( most places ) - Welcome to weekend support :)
[22:06] <daftykins> :D welcome back
[22:06] <Bashing-om> Hey daftykins :) .. Good day in your neighborhood ?
[22:07] <daftykins> not too bad at all thanks, i had the final bit of roof work done, some chimney pointing, the scaffold is likely to go very soon - and i had a curry tonight \o/ so all ace
[22:07] <daftykins> all well in your neck of the woods also?
[22:13] <TJ-> Just finished the initial disassembly/read of gopal's HP ACPI DSDT/SSDT - 9 external references no resolved (== bugging firmware)
[22:14] <daftykins> oof
[22:46] <TJ-> Grrr; In the DSDT there are several device-specific-methods triggered by specific UUIDs which I bet only the Windows drivers know about


[00:11] <pleia2> czajkowski: still about? :)
[00:11] <pleia2> (time zones are fun!)
[02:27]  * valorie has finally installed the beta-fonts
[02:27] <valorie> where are they supposed to show up?
[02:44] <valorie> ok, trying to use fonttest
[02:44] <valorie> which fails.....
[02:45]  * valorie files a launchpad bug about that
[02:45] <rww> valorie: It took a few tries before it logged in properly for me :(
[02:45] <valorie> I was logged in OK
[02:45] <valorie> and yes, it did take a bit
[02:46] <valorie> but when I found a problem, I was unable to successfully report the problem
[02:46] <valorie> I'll try in a different browser
[02:46] <valorie> rekonq is just tooooo buggy yet
[12:19] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[16:54] <pleia2> morning
[16:55] <czajkowski> pleia2: hey!
[16:55] <pleia2> hey czajkowski :)
[17:37] <pleia2> ok, new meeting times: 8PM 2nd Wednesday, 10AM 4th Thursday
[17:37] <czajkowski> yay
[17:38] <pleia2> now we need to update the fridge
[17:38] <pleia2> I don't seem to have that ability
[17:38] <czajkowski> oh when you figure out how to do that
[17:38] <czajkowski> will you tell me
[17:38] <czajkowski> the loco council and health check info is slightly off
[17:39] <pleia2> I think only the person who created it can change it, or some Calendar Master
[17:39] <pleia2> akgraner: help? :)
[17:40] <czajkowski> aye but that's nick ali who isn't on the loco council any more
[17:40] <pleia2> akgraner might have the master keys to the fridge calendar
[18:01] <czajkowski> loco health check going on now in -locoteams
[18:42] <hypatia> yay meeting
[18:43] <czajkowski> hypatia: hey
[18:43] <hypatia> hola/s
[18:43] <hypatia> err
[18:43] <hypatia> hola!
[18:43] <czajkowski> hypatia: I know you're travelling atm, but is there somewhere I can find a list of techie events/meet ups in torntor
[18:43] <czajkowski> *tornot
[18:43] <czajkowski> another mate moved over there
[18:43] <czajkowski> all my mates are moving to Canada :(
[18:43] <czajkowski> 4 now so far :(
[18:43] <czajkowski> 2 more planning
[18:43] <hypatia> wow
[18:43] <AlanBell> ¡Hola! hypatia
[18:44] <hypatia> yyeah, lemme hop on a real keyboard and i'll send you a pm
[18:44] <hypatia> phone irc lol
[18:44] <hypatia> brb
[18:44] <czajkowski> hypatia: only if you're free it's not urgent
[18:44] <czajkowski> aye if I find a job out there I'd be gone too
[18:44] <hypatia> it's a good reason to get out of bed :)
[18:44]  * hypatia is slackin' in seattle
[18:47] <MichelleQ1> hypatia: slacking here, too.
[18:56] <hypatia> :)
[21:10] <akgraner> woo hoo - just found out one of my talks was accepted for Ohio Linux Fest \0/ happy dance :-)
[21:10] <IdleOne> Congrats!
[21:11] <akgraner> thanks
[21:12] <czajkowski> yay
[21:12] <czajkowski> what is it ?
[21:13] <akgraner> czajkowski,  "Volunteer Vertigo and High Tech Hangovers" presented in a 12 step format
[21:13] <czajkowski> cool
[21:13] <akgraner> but I only have 6 steps
[21:14] <czajkowski> hehe
[21:17] <MarkDude> I might have a few more for you akgraner , we had a few growing pains in this one project I was involved with...
[21:20] <akgraner> :-)
[21:20] <akgraner> I'll send you the outline and let's see if I can incorporate them :-)
[21:23] <MarkDude> http://www.step12.com/12-steps-reverse.html
[21:23] <MarkDude> Check out #4
[21:23] <MarkDude> lol
[21:23] <MarkDude> Its a list of things *not to do*
[21:25] <akgraner> ahhh ok
[21:44] <pleia2> akgraner: can you have a look at the fridge calendar and update the UW entries for our new meeting times?
[21:44] <pleia2> akgraner: and congrats :)
[21:44] <akgraner> pleia2, yeppers
[21:45] <akgraner> give me about 20 minutes and I'll fix it
[21:45] <czajkowski> akgraner: and the LC as it seems nick ali is the owner of them and I cant change stuff
[21:45] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:45] <akgraner> czajkowski, yep I'll change it
[21:45] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:46] <czajkowski> it's missing the loco health check and wiki page and channel
[21:46] <czajkowski> and same for the council meeting
[21:46] <akgraner> can you drop me am email with the links to everything that needs to be added
[21:47] <akgraner> I like to believe I know it all by memory - but sadly I don't :-(
[21:47] <czajkowski> no bother
[21:47] <akgraner> czajkowski, thanks!
[21:50] <czajkowski> done
[21:51] <akgraner> thanks
[21:52] <czajkowski> np