[05:41] <gnomefreak> anyon ehere that can confirm a bug for me in 13.04? its a seahorse bug
[14:46] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 3 starts in 14 minutes in #ubuntu-classrom
[15:47] <maxb> Hi. Can anyone suggest a likely package to file a bug about quantal dropping the resolution of a monitor output if the monitor is temporarily disconnected for a few minutes (by a KVM switch) ?
[16:40] <roadmr> maxb: xorg maybe?
[16:41] <maxb> Might we worth a try :-)
[16:41] <roadmr> maxb: it's a starting point, and it will collect useful x-related information, if a triager feels it's misclassified he will just reassign to the correct package
[16:41] <roadmr> maxb: so as long as your report is in the ballpark (i.e. don't file it on transmission or gedit) you should be fine
[23:31] <antarus> lol
[23:31] <antarus> the lightdm screenreader reads your password out loud
[23:31] <antarus> *sigh*
[23:31]  * antarus ponders if it is working as intended
[23:35] <antarus> ahh its https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/944159
[23:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 944159 in Unity Greeter "orca reads the password out loud" [High,Confirmed]
[23:36] <antarus> and now to bribe for the holy SRU...
[23:36] <antarus> ahh teh fix is sort of hacky


[06:24] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:36] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:54] <Kilos> later
[08:19] <kbmonkey> morning o/
[08:28] <Kilos> yay xubuntu getting better slowly. synaptic can at least see archives now
[08:29] <kbmonkey> hi Kilos
[08:30] <kbmonkey> yay you making it work oom!
[08:30] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey . yeah slowly but what a job
[08:30] <Kilos> still no sound in xchat. *sigh
[08:31] <Kilos> pidgin freecell vlc all got sound but nothing in xchat
[08:32] <Kilos> and all settings in preferences same as on maverick
[08:33] <Kilos> hi dLimit drussell drubin
[08:42] <kbmonkey> when I tried xubuntu I also noticed that Kilos, I was surprised they would include xchat when it did not integrate properly
[08:43] <Kilos> yeah crazy hey , and i rely on sound so eye doesnt have to keep running around all over
[08:46] <kbmonkey> kilos go into xchat settings -> preferences, sound section
[08:47] <Kilos> ok!
[08:48] <Kilos> was normally in alerts to get sound going
[08:48] <kbmonkey> then try selecting a sound file and use the 'play' button to see if it works
[08:49] <kbmonkey> um I think the event you want is "channel msg highlight"
[08:49] <kbmonkey> i think...
[08:50] <Kilos> lol selected a mp3 and plays sends out mush
[08:50] <kbmonkey> garbled?
[08:51] <kbmonkey> but it makes sound
[08:51] <Kilos> ya like a tv off channel
[08:51] <kbmonkey> maybe it needs a .wav file
[08:51] <kbmonkey> but use it. if it works (makes a sound like you expect)
[08:51] <kbmonkey> we can  just get you to find a nicer sound :)
[08:52] <Kilos> haha maybe i can record a loud hey on fone and use that
[08:53] <Kilos> i stop it again
[08:53] <Kilos> how do -
[08:55] <Kilos> sjoe that was bad i think it played the mush till song was finished
[08:55] <kbmonkey> he he.
[08:55] <Kilos> lol
[08:56] <Kilos> where do i find that "channel msg highlight"
[08:56] <Kilos> thats highlighting not sound
[08:56] <kbmonkey> in that event list in preferences
[08:56] <kbmonkey> where you chose that sound
[08:57] <Kilos> ok i try again
[08:57] <Kilos> tried to close xchat to stop the noise
[08:57] <Kilos> whew
[08:58] <Kilos> forgot one can turn speaker volume down
[08:58] <kbmonkey> :P
[09:05] <Kilos> is it not some kinda plugin missing in xchat
[09:06] <Kilos> or a lib file
[09:07] <kbmonkey> sound works right?
[09:07] <kbmonkey> so maybe the xchat default sounds cant befoundon kde
[09:07] <Kilos> xfce
[09:07] <kbmonkey> yes xfce
[09:08] <Kilos> lol
[09:08] <Kilos> yeah even freecell sound works
[09:09] <Kilos> it just needs to be pointed to where the bloep sound is
[09:09] <Kilos> xchat i mean
[09:09] <kbmonkey> yes, i think that  is allyou need to do
[09:09] <kbmonkey> i wonderif you can generate a bloep sound andsave it to wav file
[09:10] <Kilos> where does one find the file that make the beep when you make mistakes
[09:10] <kbmonkey> ? no clue
[09:10] <Kilos> lol
[09:11] <Kilos> maybe bin or something
[09:11] <Kilos> i go look in everything
[09:11] <kbmonkey> /usr/share/sound
[09:12] <Kilos> maybe this is relevant. it doesnt play a login or boot sound either
[09:12] <Kilos> ok i go see
[09:12] <Kilos> ty
[09:12] <kbmonkey> there is a program called beep
[09:12] <kbmonkey> it is 25kilobytes
[09:12] <kbmonkey> but i think it beeps the pcspeaker
[09:13] <Kilos> ok ty i will try that
[09:13] <kbmonkey> best to finda sound sample
[09:18] <Kilos> maybe i can look in maverick if there are any xchat sound files in /usr/share/sounds
[09:18] <Kilos> here i find funny front left centre sounds fo alsa
[09:19] <Kilos> some chick speaks them to you
[09:19] <Kilos> hehe
[09:20] <Kilos> ah found the pidgin sounds there in purple folder
[09:22] <Kilos> maybe it some sounds missing in that sexy file of xchat
[09:23] <kbmonkey> ah yes good idea! choose a pidgin sound
[09:23] <kbmonkey> they both IM apps after all
[09:23] <Kilos> hehe
[09:26] <Kilos> just looking through all lib files in synaptic.
[09:33] <kbmonkey> battery is going flat, be back later Kilos
[09:33] <kbmonkey> o/
[09:33] <Kilos> toods kbmonkey
[09:33] <kbmonkey> hope you find a soundand it works!
[09:34] <Kilos> lol ty
[09:34] <kbmonkey> im using irssi on a shell, so i dont get any notification :p
[09:34] <Kilos> eish
[10:45] <Kerbero> internetz, we have it again
[10:48] <Kerbero> o symmetria was also offline
[10:48] <Kerbero> must have been a very bad internet outage
[11:29] <magespawn> howdy all
[11:33] <kbmonkey> howdy o/
[11:40] <magespawn> jey kbmonkey
[11:40] <magespawn> hey even
[11:42] <kbmonkey> how goes it? did any python lately?
[11:43] <kbmonkey> ever tried: import this
[11:43] <magespawn> no not really been working on a couple of laptop
[11:45] <kbmonkey> oh wow its Saturday. huh, :p
[11:45] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[11:45] <psydroid> hi kbmonkey
[11:45] <magespawn> hi psydroid
[11:45] <kbmonkey> been studying crypto and probability theory
[11:45] <kbmonkey> hi psydroid
[11:45] <magespawn> okay then so light reading
[11:45] <kbmonkey> check www.coursera.org
[11:46] <kbmonkey> free courses from universiteis
[11:47] <magespawn> nice, MIT has got a similar thing going, this is from their website
[11:47] <kbmonkey> want to have a go on the google appengine, they have python too
[11:50] <magespawn> http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm
[11:50] <kbmonkey> can't watch videos though, so learning by the subtitles. so it's a bit tricky to
[11:50] <kbmonkey> understand what the transcriptions say :p
[11:51] <magespawn> why can you not watch the videos?
[11:51] <kbmonkey> on very limited bandwidth
[11:52] <magespawn> ahh
[11:53] <kbmonkey> which is irnoic, as the site is trying to promote free education in 3rd world countries
[11:53] <magespawn> lack of understanding of the problems
[11:54] <magespawn> have you heard of Khan Academy?
[11:54] <kbmonkey> if we can get those vids on the local bandwidth
[11:55] <kbmonkey> yes I have, thx for reminding me about that!
[11:55] <magespawn> maybe get them mirrored on a local sever?
[11:55] <magespawn> server
[11:56] <kbmonkey> think i'll do that!
[11:56] <magespawn> how? how does that work?
[11:57] <kbmonkey> haven't done any Khan courses yet
[11:58] <magespawn> i was refering to the "think i'll do that" part, which i assumed was refering to the mirror idea
[11:59] <kbmonkey> now to find what includes telkom local bandwidth...
[12:00] <magespawn> any locally hosted site
[12:03] <kbmonkey> google app engine even has irc bot libraries :)
[12:30] <magespawn> sounds cool
[12:36] <magespawn> kbmonkey what would you do with it? any ideas?
[12:41] <magespawn> brb
[12:43] <magespawn> strange my bot does not want to join the room
[12:45] <magespawn> server seems to be running fine, just no bot
[13:01] <kbmonkey> damn, i just killed my network on the desktop :/
[13:02] <kbmonkey> this room? your bot self hosted?
[13:04] <kbmonkey> what bot is this magespawn? :)
[13:05] <magespawn> yup gc or gc_
[13:07] <kbmonkey> wrote a mxit bot for word games once, like to implement that again in python+irc
[13:09] <magespawn> that would be cool , maybe we could do it together,i am have off see you later
[13:10] <kbmonkey> cool, laters!
[13:10] <kbmonkey> that will be fun...
[13:27] <kodez> afternoon to all
[13:30] <kbmonkey> hi kodez
[13:31] <kodez> hi kbmonkey, how are you?
[13:34] <kbmonkey> good and you?
[13:34] <kbmonkey> i just borked my wifi on the desktop :/ oops
[13:37] <kodez> i am in good spirit and shape. i am just trying to understand JavaSript Objects.
[13:38] <kodez> kbmonkey: are you an engineer?
[13:43] <kbmonkey> mechanical or software kodez ?
[13:43] <kbmonkey> I can do some electronics, mostly coding
[13:43] <Tonberry> the engineer is a spy!
[13:44] <kbmonkey> lol!
[13:44]  * Banlam needs to play moar tf2
[13:44] <Tonberry> indeed
[13:45] <kodez> now i know why your wifi is broken. only hackers, engineers and scientists are capable of breaking and fixing.
[13:46] <kodez> lol
[13:46] <Banlam> i used to break things
[13:46] <Banlam> i still do, but I used to
[13:47] <kodez> when is programming been discussed here?
[13:47] <Banlam> whenever you can get other people to talk about it
[13:49] <kbmonkey> yay fixed :) using wicd connection manager
[13:50] <kodez> i wish we can have a standard agenda to discuss programming
[13:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee time
[13:58] <Maaz> It is always coffee time!
[13:58] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:58]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[14:01] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey Kerbero superfly and others
[14:02] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[14:02] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[14:02] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[14:03]  * Banlam also wants coffee
[14:05] <Kilos> lol
[14:05] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for banlam
[14:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[14:06] <Kilos> gccoffee on
[14:06] <Kilos> grrr
[14:06]  * Banlam walks to the kettle
[14:07] <Kilos> no gc
[14:07] <Kilos> lol
[14:07] <Kilos> sorry
[14:15] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:22] <Kilos> oh my lost again
[14:22] <Kilos> lo plustwo
[14:22] <not_found> I now realize I am logged in twice :/
[14:23] <nlsthzn> better
[14:24] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[14:24] <nlsthzn> Hi uncle Kilos
[14:25] <Kilos> oh you the not found guy. methunk it was plustwo
[14:26] <nlsthzn> :)
[14:26] <nlsthzn> it was I
[14:27] <Kilos> hehe
[14:28] <Kilos> nlsthzn, did you try xubuntu
[14:29] <Kilos> with xchat default
[14:29] <Kilos> natty
[14:29] <nlsthzn> I played with 11.10 a while back... not with 11.04 however
[14:29] <nlsthzn> Why? Having issues?
[14:29] <Kilos> xchat has no sound alerts no matter what i do in prefs alerts
[14:29] <nlsthzn> Ah
[14:30] <Kilos> and also no login sound\
[14:30] <nlsthzn> I have had the issue with all versions of XChat
[14:30] <nlsthzn> So what I started to do was to install mplayer...
[14:30] <nlsthzn> and in the preferences for alerts specify to use an external application and enter mplayer
[14:31] <Kilos> wow i have only had smiles with xchat once i learned how to do the settings in prefs
[14:31] <nlsthzn> preferenses -> Chatting -> Sound
[14:32] <nlsthzn> switch to External program and type in mplayer... then I choose the sound effects for msg highlight and private message..
[14:32] <Kilos> lol i tried using the pidgin sounds found in /usr/share/sounds and while in there if i push play then there is sound but nothing once closed
[14:33] <Kilos> ok lemme go to xubuntu and try that
[14:33] <nlsthzn> if that doesn't work then I suspect something wrong with the alsa mixer... maybe something muted
[14:33] <Kilos> hasnt xubuntu got a login sound either
[14:33] <Kilos> been checking for 3 or more days
[14:33] <nlsthzn> I am not sure.. can't remember
[14:36] <Kilos> maybe that external app will work
[14:36] <Kilos> rebooting to xubuntu
[14:36] <Kilos> be good
[14:36] <nlsthzn> bai
[14:41] <Kilos> hehe small old drives have one advantage, you can hear it working
[14:45] <nlsthzn> I loved the sound of the older HDD...
[14:45] <Kilos> yeah
[14:45] <nlsthzn> always made me think I am doing something when I could hear it
[14:46] <nlsthzn> now all I hear is wooooosssshhhh! from all the fans :p
[14:46] <Kilos> yes im the same
[14:46] <Kilos> oh my. installed mplayer and its making pidgin send/receive sounds
[14:46] <nlsthzn> weird :p
[14:46] <Kilos> lol
[14:47] <Kilos> i had told it to use them before
[14:47] <Kilos> so thats whats missing. xchat not connected to any player
[14:47] <nlsthzn> Now the day when I understand somthing like that or how to troubleshoot the correlation I will feel I am starting to understand this silly operating system
[14:48] <Kilos> so weird. always before my xchat didnt have and probs with sound. from 9.10
[14:48] <Kilos> but they were all ubuntu
[14:49] <Kilos> looks like the xfce designers are all deaf so they dont worry about it
[14:49] <nlsthzn> I have had the same issues even in Ubuntu
[14:49] <nlsthzn> .. in the last few releases in any case
[14:50] <Kilos> after maverick hey?
[14:51] <nlsthzn> can't be sure... can't remember the first time I tried setting up xchat and using IRC
[14:51] <Kilos> whats news there nlsthzn
[14:51] <nlsthzn> Not to much uncle Kilos... was supposed to start day shift today...
[14:52] <Kilos> they still done nothing
[14:52] <nlsthzn> will hear tomorrow (start of the week)
[14:52] <Kilos> did you fone work and tell them the prob?
[14:52] <nlsthzn> Oh the work is well aware :p
[14:53] <Kilos> we pray for you lad
[14:54] <nlsthzn> :) thanks uncle Kilos ... I don't think it is that bad yet but I will never say no to some help from above
[14:54] <Kilos> good we ask superfly to also add you
[14:58] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:00] <Kilos> hi
[15:01] <Kilos> stupid thing dont play sound when nick mentioned all your messages go bing bong
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:03] <Kilos> brbr
[15:44] <Kilos> gc, coffee on
[15:44]  * gc starts grinding coffee
[15:44] <Kilos> gc, wb
[15:44] <gc> Kilos: What?
[15:44] <Kilos> stupid bot
[15:48] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:49] <Kilos> gc thanks
[15:49] <gc> Kilos: not at all
[16:29] <kbmonkey> kodez: what programming are you into?
[16:30] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:30] <psydroid> oh, he left
[16:30] <kodez> i'm currently learning C++, Python, Java and JavaScript
[16:30] <psydroid> half an hour ago too
[16:31] <psydroid> hi kodez
[16:31] <kodez> hi psydroid
[16:31] <kodez> how are you today?
[16:31] <psydroid> I am fine, thank you. and you?
[16:32] <kodez> guys, if i want to run Ubuntu server as my desktop. what challenges will it give me?
[16:32] <psydroid> I need to learn PHP and JavaScript too
[16:32] <psydroid> how would you use that as a desktop?
[16:32] <kodez> psydroid: i am in good shape and spirit. just challenged by JavaScript
[16:33] <psydroid> using the command line?
[16:33] <psydroid> kodez, so am I, especially when it comes to AJAX stuff
[16:33] <kodez> i had not yet decided which desktop UI to install
[16:35] <kodez> i am struggling with <select> statements. i can't make the right connections
[16:37] <psydroid> have you tried asking in ##javascript?
[16:37] <Tonberry> that sounds more like an html issue...
[16:37] <Tonberry> depending entirely on what you are doing anyway...
[16:39] <kbmonkey> of all languages I've done, I find Python refreshing
[16:39] <psydroid> for what reason?
[16:40] <kbmonkey> kodez: desktop and server use the same base. differences are server does not install X (Gnome,KDE) by default
[16:40] <kbmonkey> and server installs hosting services like MySQL, PHHP etc
[16:41] <kodez> psydroid: not yet
[16:50] <kodez> kbmonkey: does the server support other desktop applications? like gimp, chess, etc
[16:52] <kbmonkey> yes it does kodez
[16:52] <kbmonkey> you just have to install all of the X stuff yourself
[16:52] <kbmonkey> ie gnome-desktop
[16:53] <kbmonkey> what reason do you want the server for though?
[16:53] <kbmonkey> if you plan to use it like a desktop, rather install desktop
[16:53] <kodez> kbmonkey: ty. i am planning to use a server on my laptop and pc in order to benefit in the LTS services
[16:54] <kbmonkey> okay
[16:54] <kbmonkey> you'll find you'll probably upgrade your OS before the standard support period is over ;)
[16:55] <kodez> that's exactly what i want to run away from
[16:58] <Tonberry> if you use a server install and install a desktop env on top of that
[16:59] <Tonberry> then you have exactly the same support period as a desktop install of the same ubuntu version
[17:01] <inetpro> kodez: there's absolutely no point in installing a server release on a laptop if you are planning to use it as a desktop with a GUI interface
[17:02] <inetpro> a server release is meant to have no GUI, it's a waste of precious resources
[17:02] <Tonberry> and the longer support period is for the server bits as far as I know
[17:03] <kbmonkey> if you have issues with that, you could run debian sid. but that is more unstable, give or take
[17:05] <kodez> my intention is to run a server on my pc and because i have a limited access to internet, i think it will be better to use one system in both
[17:31] <inetpro> kodez: adding gnome-desktop with all it's dependancies makes it into a desktop similar to the desktop release
[17:32] <inetpro> and on top of that you end up with more than just that
[17:32] <inetpro> you end up with stuff that is installed as part of the server release which would not have been installed on the desktop
[17:34] <Kilos> lo inetpro kodez and others
[17:34] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[17:34] <kodez> hi kilos
[17:35] <kodez> does the gnome 2 works well with ubuntu 11.10?
[17:36] <inetpro> kodez: if you want a lightweight system then ubuntu is the wrong choice because ubuntu is up front with development and things change at a rapid pace
[17:37] <tumbleweed> kodez: gnome 2 is gone in 11.10
[17:38] <tumbleweed> there's gnome 3 fallback mode, which is like gnome 2, but is not gnome 2
[17:44] <Kilos> hmm
[17:44] <inetpro> Kilos: wat hmm jy so?
[17:44] <Kilos> im not the only one
[17:44] <Kilos> lol
[17:44] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously
[17:44] <Kilos> looked at doing gnome on xubuntu but its 145m downloads
[17:45] <kodez> i want the option to connect to server in unity, how can i do that?
[17:45] <inetpro> Kilos: if you put gnome on xubuntu you are defeating the purpose of xubuntu
[17:46] <Kilos> but then it would be understandable inetpro
[17:46] <Kilos> like xchat wasnt even pointed at a media player
[17:47] <Kilos> had to install mplayer and tell xchat what sound files to go find
[17:47] <Kilos> now i got and xchat that bing bongs like pidgin
[17:48] <Kilos> xubuntu doesnt just work. you do
[17:49] <inetpro> Kilos: pidgin is dependant on gtk stuffs
[17:50] <inetpro> it's built for gnome on gnome
[17:50] <Kilos> i only pointed the xchat settings to certain purple files. the .wav ones
[17:50] <Kilos> i dunno where to find xchat own bloep file
[17:52] <Kilos> but xubuntu is smoothing out slowly. even the shutdown button shuts down now not reboots all the time
[17:53] <inetpro> hmm...
[17:53] <inetpro> according to wikipedia Xfce is based on the GTK+ 2 toolkit (the same as GNOME 2.x)
[17:54] <Kilos> is that good?
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm just verifying whether I was talking nonsense or not
[17:55] <Kilos> lol\
[17:56] <Kilos> are you still using unity inetpro ?
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: to be honest, yes
[17:56] <inetpro> on my laptop yes but not at the office
[17:56] <Kilos> you getting used to it now?
[17:57] <Kilos> old kubuntu at the office?
[17:57] <inetpro> gwibber just irritaets the heck out of me
[17:57] <inetpro> irritates*
[17:57] <Kilos> lol one of the first things i remove
[18:00] <inetpro> I like choqok on kde but it aint working so nicely on gnome
[18:01] <Kilos> choqok?
[18:01] <inetpro> Kilos: it's a twitter client on the kde desktop
[18:01] <Kilos> oh
[18:02] <Kilos> ty
[18:02] <kodez> in a client/server network, how can i configure user accounts to be accessed in any computer in the network? where can i learn more about this?
[18:04] <inetpro> kodez: what is a client/server network?
[18:04] <kodez> a network where two or more computers are connected
[18:05] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/ftp-server.html
[18:05] <inetpro> hmm... all the computers in the intertubes are somehow connected with each other
[18:07] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[18:07] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[18:07] <Kilos> inetpro, gtwitter
[18:09] <inetpro> Kilos: wth is gtwitter?
[18:09] <Kilos> gTwitter is a client for posting and fetching updates to the
[18:09] <Kilos> twitter service.
[18:10] <Kilos> in the repos on mqaverick. dunno about later releases
[18:10] <Kilos> *maverick
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:10] <Kilos> aptitude install gtwitter
[18:11] <inetpro> nothing here
[18:11] <Kilos> what release are you on of gnome
[18:11] <inetpro> Oneiric
[18:12] <Kilos> is a universe package on maverick
[18:12] <Kilos> how are you doing gnome there
[18:13] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: Unity is a shell interface for the GNOME desktop environment
[18:14] <Kilos> oh so gnome still hidden in there
[18:15] <confluency> Unity isn't part of GNOME. The GNOME equivalent is gnome-shell.
[18:16] <Kilos> ah ty confluency you been very quiet this year
[18:16] <confluency> GNOME is still under there, but it can be pretty hard to see.
[18:16] <confluency> :)
[18:17] <Kilos> are you also unitied
[18:17] <confluency> You can switch to a more traditional-looking GNOME interface if you don't like Unity.
[18:17] <confluency> No, I've been using Fluxbox for years, so what Ubuntu does to the default desktop environment doesn't affect me. :)
[18:17] <Kilos> oh ya i tried gnome classic with natty but it gave lotsa probs
[18:18] <confluency> AFAIK you need to tweak some things and maybe install some packages, but unfortunately I don't know the details (I haven't done it myself).
[18:20] <confluency> Ah, I think in the latest distros Classic isn't installed by default.
[18:22] <inetpro> great thing about Linux is that you have a lot of choice
[18:25] <Kilos> yeah but not nice to lose something like maverick that works so well
[18:29] <inetpro> Kilos: you win some, you lose some
[18:29] <Kilos> hehe no man thats not nice
[18:30] <inetpro> unfortunately competition is tough out there and developers can't be everywhere
[18:30] <inetpro> developers tend to go with the latest and greatest
[18:30] <Kilos> when ian comes with his external dvd writer i will run remastersys so i can use maverick for a long time still
[18:31] <inetpro> Kilos: eventually it will die
[18:31] <Kilos> hopefully after me
[18:33] <inetpro> Kilos: luckily we don't live in caves any more
[18:33] <Kilos> i will use xubuntu as well but will keep maverick going
[18:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:33] <Kilos> ek sal maaz se om jou te vloek
[18:35] <Kilos> just really wish ubuntu would configure debdelta
[18:35] <Kilos> or that other word
[18:36] <Kilos> ag something
[18:36] <inetpro> Kilos: the problem is not with Ubuntu
[18:37] <Kilos> ya they need to get a server fo debdelta i think tumbleweed said
[18:37] <inetpro> the problem is our high costs of communication in South Africa
[18:37] <Kilos> i agree but debdelta is the answer for that
[18:38] <tumbleweed> it'll certainly help
[18:38] <Kilos> save from 50% to 80% of downloads
[18:38] <tumbleweed> but in general, prices are going down and caps are going up
[18:38] <tumbleweed> and some ISPs (e.g. webafrica) provide free access to ubuntu mirrors
[18:38] <inetpro> I agree that it will help
[18:39] <Kilos> our prob is the mobile suppliers i think
[18:40] <magespawn> Evening all
[18:40] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:40] <inetpro> sadly the rest of the world is taking high speed connectiosn for granted and they don't consider us
[18:40] <inetpro> so we'll have to build it for ourselves
[18:40] <Kilos> yeah they dont know what its like here
[18:41] <inetpro> connections*
[18:41] <tumbleweed> there are other parts of the world that are also pretty bad
[18:41] <tumbleweed> and our mobile connectivity is some of the cheapest in the world
[18:41] <tumbleweed> it'd be inconceivable to use 3g as your primary connection in most countries
[18:42] <inetpro> tumbleweed: most or many?
[18:42] <tumbleweed> probably most
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:42] <magespawn> I thought ours was one.of the most expensive
[18:44] <Kilos> the word is integrate
[18:45] <Tonberry> mobile internet not
[18:46] <Kilos> with debdelta mobile would be bearable
[18:46] <Kilos> its just updates that kill one
[18:49] <Kilos> learned some more about boot-repair. is you use one drive to repair a second drive you first have to boot from second drive and start boot-repair there and once going pull power from first drive or you get grub> at boot
[18:49] <magespawn> Is anyone here part of a WUG?
[18:50] <magespawn> Kilos you going to be boot-repair go to guy just now
[18:51] <Kilos> lol @mage
[18:52] <Kilos> there is a way to get them on irc magespawn . dunno if i still have it saved somewhere
[18:52] <magespawn> Get what, Kilos?
[18:52] <Kilos> http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23ptawug&net=WugNet
[18:53] <Kilos> wrong one
[18:53] <Kilos> http://www.ptawug.co.za/content_list_3
[18:54] <Kilos> they were quite helpful when i went there over a year ago
[18:55] <magespawn> ty
[18:56] <Kilos> yw
[18:56] <Kilos> they got all the info about necessary equipment and all
[18:57] <magespawn> had a look at the website and wiki and such.
[18:59] <Kilos> would be good to get a wug going on the north coast
[19:00] <Kilos> they even offered to download ubuntu stuff for me if i got connected to them
[19:00] <magespawn> Yes do not know how much use it will be up here though, not many people
[19:01] <Kilos> there must be some with uncapped internet access
[19:01] <Kilos> you can look at all holiday makers to the north coast once it covers wide enough
[19:01] <magespawn> I was thinking of letting people connect to mine for flat fee
[19:01] <magespawn> The internet not the wig
[19:02] <magespawn> Wug
[19:02] <Kilos> they most likely will
[19:02] <Kilos> lol you can get them to paypall you
[19:03] <Kilos> thousands of freestaters and vaalies go down every year
[19:03] <Kilos> those with kids in holiday season and without kids year round
[19:04] <Kilos> one can even setup internet cafes in the game reserves and favourite fishing beaches
[19:05] <magespawn> ** Closing link<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[Z-Lined: Abuse]
[19:05] <Kilos> ?
[19:05] <magespawn> Just got that from the irc channel
[19:06] <magespawn> Now I am banned
[19:06] <Kilos> did you swear at them
[19:06] <magespawn> Did not even log on
[19:06] <Kilos> oh my
[19:07] <Kilos> maybe because you didnt greet them
[19:08] <Kilos> or they thought you are a spy
[19:11] <magespawn> Did not get the chance to greet them, any way they give an email address to send the error to, which I just did.
[19:12] <Kilos> whew
[19:13] <magespawn> okay that was strange, any who.
[19:16] <kbmonkey> gc: coffee on
[19:16]  * gc puts the kettle on
[19:16] <kbmonkey> yey
[19:17] <Kilos> gc, coffee please
[19:17] <gc> Kilos: Sure
[19:18] <kbmonkey> Kilos: did you find a bleepin sound for your xchat?
[19:19] <Kilos> neil helped and said i gotta install mplayer and ten tell sounds where to find sound files
[19:19] <Kilos> so my xchat sounds like pidgin
[19:19] <kbmonkey> lol
[19:19] <Kilos> mplayer is needed because it doesnt see vlc etc automatically
[19:20] <kbmonkey> well i found xchat uses aplay for sound, so you select a wav, mp3 or ogg will just output white noise
[19:20] <gc> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[19:20] <Kilos> gc, thanks
[19:20] <gc> Kilos: my pleasure
[19:20] <kbmonkey> gc: thanks!
[19:20] <gc> no probs, kbmonkey
[19:20] <Kilos> haha its a pleasure for me
[19:21] <Kilos> but it still doesnt make sound on nick said only on channel messages
[19:22] <Kilos> will investigate more tomorrow and/or next week
[19:24] <kbmonkey> you set a sound to one other of those events
[19:24] <Kilos> i have them all ticked but nick said dont work
[19:24] <kbmonkey> "channel msg hilight"
[19:25] <Kilos> thats the important one if you not near pc
[19:25] <Kilos> i did that one too
[19:25] <kbmonkey> no no the alerts section, you must set the sound under "sounds"
[19:26] <kbmonkey> there are no "ticks" for where i mean
[19:26] <kbmonkey> those are called checkboxes btw :)
[19:26] <Kilos> ya i did channel mesasage highlight and 2 or three others
[19:26] <Kilos> ty
[19:27] <kbmonkey> it uses aplay. if kde does not have aplay you could set an alternative?
[19:27] <kbmonkey> why does my  head hurt? :/
[19:28] <Kilos> ah you sharing
[19:28] <Kilos> not lekker hey
[19:28] <Kilos> xfce
[19:29] <kbmonkey> lol why do I keep thinking you are on kde :p
[19:29] <Kilos> maybe aplay isnt installed either
[19:29] <kbmonkey> it hurts on the outside not inside
[19:29] <kbmonkey> like i hit it really hard, but i know i never hit it
[19:29] <Kilos> stop pulling your hair out
[19:29] <kbmonkey> and the pain shoots into the eyes when i move around too fast. ha ha yes i'll try
[19:30] <Kilos> im sure i have made most of the guys half bald already
[19:30] <Kilos> if you stand up fast do you get dizzy
[19:31] <Kilos> after lying down a while that is
[19:31] <kbmonkey> that always happens. its fun
[19:32] <kbmonkey> but its not usually sore
[19:32] <Kilos> have your bp checked at a chemist
[19:32] <Kilos> used to be free
[19:34] <Kilos> most likely low if i member right
[19:34] <Kilos> if it is dont take pills eat salt
[19:36] <inetpro> damn!
[19:36] <Kilos> what??
[19:36]  * inetpro just realised why I've been using way to much bandwidth
[19:36] <Kilos> tell!!
[19:37] <inetpro> I never installed flashblock on Firefox
[19:37]  * inetpro hates flash
[19:37] <Banlam> unlucky
[19:37] <Kilos> and you connection is too fast
[19:37] <Kilos> will waste lots
[19:38] <Kilos> inetpro, did you get gTwitter
[19:38] <Kilos> find?
[19:40] <inetpro> some of the flash stuffs that displays automagically when opening certain websites is simply irresistible
[19:40] <inetpro> once you see it you want to watch it
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <inetpro> Kilos: no I don't want anything that is not in the repos
[19:41] <Kilos> see if you have Turpial
[19:42] <inetpro> if it's not in the repositories it is not good enough
[19:42] <Kilos> or open synaptic and type twitter in the little search window
[19:42] <inetpro> Kilos: turpial is useless
[19:42] <inetpro> compared to choqok
[19:42] <Kilos> even if choqok isnt working
[19:43] <Kilos> thats like what is the best car
[19:43] <Kilos> the one the goes
[19:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you ok?
[19:50] <magespawn> Mz
[19:50] <Kilos> huh
[19:57] <magespawn> Typo
[19:58] <Kilos> inetpro, twitter in pidgin or you dont use that anymore
[19:58] <Kilos> magespawn, typo for what
[19:59] <inetpro> Kilos: you really want me to loose my sanity?
[19:59] <Kilos> lol thats why mine is switched off most of the time
[19:59] <magespawn> Wrong screen and wrong device
[20:00] <Kilos> lol
[20:00] <Kilos> twitter in pidgin is like fb in pidgin
[20:01] <magespawn> did not know you could do fb in pidgin
[20:02] <kbmonkey> yes im still alive Kilos
[20:02] <kbmonkey> wifi is bad, slow and unstable..
[20:02] <Kilos> have your blood pressure checked
[20:02] <inetpro> Twitter and FB integration with IM is madness unless you only have very few friends
[20:04] <kbmonkey> i had the round of tests done 2 weeks ago Kilos, all is okay :]
[20:04] <Kilos> whew
[20:05] <inetpro> oh and unless those few friends only talk or update their status once in a blue moon
[20:05] <Kilos> lol ya inetpro drove me nuts too
[20:08] <kbmonkey> lol!
[20:23] <Symmetria> Rebuild Progress on Device at Enclosure 48, Slot 13 Completed 52% in 644 Minutes.
[20:23] <Symmetria> *snore*
[20:23] <Symmetria> I hate rebuilding raid arrays
[20:23] <Symmetria> especially insanely large ones
[20:26] <magespawn> That's 10 or 11 hours
[20:28] <magespawn> I am off, later all.
[20:28] <Kilos> toods magespawn sleep tight
[20:30] <Kilos> i go catch so zzzz's to. night all. sleep tight
[20:34] <kbmonkey> gc: tell kilos and magespawn goodnight
[20:34] <gc> kbmonkey: Yessir
[21:37] <opensauce> Good Evening PPL :)
[22:02] <kbmonkey> gc: tell magespawn a greeter bot may be handy if it sees newcomers enter in dead rooms. we miss them and they leave after 3 minutes. idea?
[22:02] <gc> kbmonkey: Done


[04:54] <Konam> hi
[04:54] <Jc2k> lo
[04:54] <Konam> someone know how can I change the resolution of the upstart screen
[05:16] <soren> Konam: There's no such thing as "the upstart screen"
[05:36] <Konam> soren fuck, yes, sorry, I was referring to usplash :D
[07:35] <Keybuk> yay, I have a garden now :)
[07:42] <Jc2k> Keybuk: plan to grow anything :P?
[07:42] <Jc2k> or just get drunk in it?
[07:43] <Keybuk> just relax in it
[07:43] <Jc2k> eh
[07:52] <AlexExtreme> mmm. why wasn't 0.3.9 announced on the website? :)
[07:52] <Keybuk> oops
[08:28] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk: still around/
[08:28] <AlexExtreme> *?
[09:06] <AlexExtreme> Keybuk, would you mind removing the link to Frugalware packages on the download page? that repo is out of date, and I'm actually no longer a Frugalware developer ;)
[10:23] <Keybuk> sure
[11:05] <mbiebl> AlexExtreme: will frugalware still use upstart as default init in their next release?