[12:13] <fanscore> bonjour
[12:13] <ChaosEddie> ca va
[12:13] <fanscore> j'ai besoin d'aide, je comprend rien a linux
[12:13] <fanscore> ui et toi?
[12:13] <word> !fe
[12:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fe - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:14] <KanRiNiN> Is there a channel for aiglx?  because #aiglx has like 5 users
[12:14] <KanRiNiN> I can't get it to function in kubuntu
[12:14] <ChaosEddie> je ne parle francais tres bien
[12:14] <word> !fr
[12:14] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:14] <xenol> i again get DCOP error
[12:16] <fanscore> !fr
[12:16] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:18] <surgy> someone need me?
[12:18] <ChaosEddie> :(
[12:18] <ChaosEddie> apparently no one needs you
[12:18] <cpk1> that depends, you available next saturday to go bank robbing?
[12:19] <xenol> can anyone tell me wat it s this? i cant sudo kate file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6485/
[12:19] <cpk1> you shouldnt use sudo with kate anyways
[12:19] <BluesKaj> kdesu kate ...is the way to do it
[12:22] <misterQ> does linux freeze?
[12:22] <word> no...
[12:23] <cpk1> I've had one lock up
[12:23] <cpk1> ever
[12:23] <SlackRat> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:23] <word> if anything locks up, it's x not linux
[12:23] <SlackRat> depends on the distro, a well made distro no
[12:24] <cpk1> no, it was linux, hardware problem though
[12:24] <SlackRat> slackware never froze on me, but suse has
[12:24] <cpk1> inerted a module for it and locked me up
[12:25] <SlackRat> i think my freeze ups were yast related then
[12:25] <mshade> hardware issues can cause freezes
[12:25] <mshade> dying hard drives can cause freezes
[12:25] <SlackRat> a clunky overlay on a linux system
[12:25] <mshade> and I/O wait can cause freezes
[12:25] <SlackRat> definitely
[12:25] <mshade> but it's much less prevalent
[12:25] <tjz> does anyone have any suggestions on any p2p programs to use on kubuntu?
[12:26] <SlackRat> mshade, i wont tell anyone youre here, if you wont tell anyone im here....   :-P
[12:26] <daleach> sorry a lil off topic but does anyone know how to turn off these notifications of people entering and leaving the chatroom in xchat ?
[12:26] <SlackRat> p2p for what?
[12:26] <tjz> music and stuff
[12:26] <SlackRat> dont look at them.... heh
[12:26] <tjz> like ares
[12:27] <cpk1> bit torrent is good
[12:27] <cpk1> but thats not an app =P
[12:27] <cpk1> i'm using ktorrent right now
[12:27] <cpk1> azureus is also pretty decent
[12:27] <tjz> ok can u send one of those 2 me?
[12:27] <la> emule is the best
[12:28] <tjz> cpk      Crooked Preacher Killer
[12:28] <cpk1> tjz: just use apt
[12:28] <la> but it takes me some time until i will instal it.........
[12:28] <tjz> ok kool
[12:28] <mshade> SlackRat: :-p
[12:28] <la> i'm boring cat
[12:29] <arriesp> hi
[12:29] <mshade> SlackRat: I still love slack on the desktop, but I'm running it only on servers now.. Ubuntu has the full disk on my desktop and laptop now
[12:30] <SlackRat> yeah, but im defaulting on my lappy these days to pcbsd
[12:30] <SlackRat> for speed and ports
[12:31] <mshade> how's the wifi support in bsd?
[12:31] <SlackRat> kubuntu is my 'god i just wanna play some music while i try and write something for this deadline
[12:31] <SlackRat> excellent in my expereince
[12:31] <tjz> whats tha best search engine for ktorrent to get music videos
[12:31] <SlackRat> i have to reconfgiure if i boot into ubuntu every time
[12:31] <SlackRat> bsd just picks up from boot
[12:32] <mshade> SlackRat: knetworkmanager
[12:32] <SlackRat> runs as fast as slack with half the RAM
[12:32] <mshade> SlackRat: repeat after me.. knetworkmanager :)
[12:32] <SlackRat> knetworkmanager
[12:32] <SlackRat> now that i said it?
[12:32] <mshade> it's been my holy grail for mobile connectivity
[12:33] <khaije1> who's pumped about kde4, eh?
[12:33] <SlackRat> thats how i set it up, maybe ill recheck my config
[12:33] <khaije1> anyone know what ubuntu release we'll see that in?
[12:33] <mshade> it remembers keys when it picks up the network, connects automatically, gives you lists of available networks, reconnects when the connection drops
[12:33] <SlackRat> if kde4 has gotten rid of artsd, im pumped
[12:33] <khaije1> SlackRat: ya, it's out
[12:33] <mshade> khaije1: really?
[12:33] <SlackRat> i ll check back into it thanks mshade.....thought i did all that , but maybe not
[12:34] <mshade> SlackRat: i had to change /etc/sysconfig/networks before it worked right
[12:34] <SlackRat> did it once on the bsd and no more work......
[12:34] <SlackRat> aha!
[12:34] <SlackRat> didnt have to edit diddly in bsd
[12:34] <khaije1> mshade: oh ya, thats old news, they're adding an abstraction layer for a pluggable backend, from gstreamer to NMM etc, it's intensely cool! but thats just one of the goodies, which is why i can't wait
[12:35] <mshade> khaije1: yeah, k4 looks awesome :)
[12:35] <mshade> SlackRat: look at /etc/network/interfaces
[12:35] <SlackRat> xcellent
[12:35] <mshade> SlackRat: each line should look like this:
[12:35] <SlackRat> <kicks artsd corpse>
[12:35] <mshade> auto eth0
[12:35] <mshade> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[12:35] <khaije1> it will be the point that i can recommend linux to anyone, i've been waiting forever for that moment
[12:35] <khaije1> SlackRat: haha!
[12:36] <mshade> SlackRat: arts served its purpose for a while..
[12:36] <khaije1> mshade: is E still relevant after aiglx?
[12:36] <mshade> before jack and alsa supported multiple channels easily
[12:36] <SlackRat> i almost gave up on ubuntu this week, till i started using kubuntu resources
[12:36] <mshade> khaije1: I still like its stuff.  It's also much lighter weight than the openGL based stuff
[12:37] <mshade> SlackRat: i still needed native windows to fix my ipod, too.. though that's really apple's fault more than anyone else
[12:37] <khaije1> SlackRat: whats kubuntu resources?
[12:37] <SlackRat> forums and irc
[12:37] <khaije1> mshade: what was wrong w/ it? i haven't needed windows in years, ipod or no
[12:37] <SlackRat> too much white noise and lollercons on standard ubuntu
[12:38] <SlackRat> 900 + people scrolling by.....bleh
[12:38] <mshade> khaije1: i was getting a particular error message -- 'use iTunes to restore'
[12:38] <mshade> on my nano
[12:38] <khaije1> SlackRat: it's a website + irc?
[12:38] <mshade> i tried wine, windows and itunes in vmware, etc
[12:38] <mshade> in the end i just had to restore it with itunes, like it said.
[12:38] <SlackRat> irc on freenode and theres a kubuntu forums site
[12:39] <mshade> using the iPod is fine with amarok etc
[12:39] <SlackRat> smaller, less categories, easier to find how tos and get answers
[12:39] <mshade> SlackRat: yeah, a lot of lamers have jumped on the *buntu wagon :-p
[12:39] <khaije1> mshade: oh man that sucks, interesting how apple manages to tie you in to their services no matter what isn't it?
[12:39] <SlackRat> and since i use kde most all the tme.....
[12:39] <mshade> khaije1: all i needed to do was reflash the firmware, but you can't download it from anywhere.  dd would have worked fine if i had a backup of it
[12:40] <khaije1> SlackRat: haha, by lamers do you mean 'the rest of the world' ?
[12:40] <SlackRat> too many, i think sometimes, makes it hard for people who want to get things working and add to the project
[12:40] <mshade> (like the whole diggnation..)
[12:40] <mshade> khaije1: ;)
[12:40] <SlackRat> had a four page forum flame war over why isnt there an advanced section to the forum for those odd, config problems for people comfortable with linux
[12:40] <khaije1> mshade: lolz-asaurus hex
[12:41] <SlackRat> heh, diggnation
[12:41] <khaije1> mshade: thats good to know about the firmware, people are asking me to fix their ipods all the time, thx
[12:41] <SlackRat> we should start indiggnation
[12:41] <mshade> SlackRat: LOL!!!
[12:41] <mshade> it's taken :(
[12:42] <SlackRat> ur kidding?
[12:42] <SlackRat> damn, have to have a lawyer follow me round copyrighting everything i say now
[12:42] <SlackRat> lol
[12:43] <mshade> heheh
[12:43] <mshade> you get an apache error at http://indiggnation.com/
[12:44] <fanscore> !fr
[12:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:45] <SlackRat> kinda makes you indignant , eh?
[12:45] <mshade> ;)
[12:46] <khaije1> since june  05
[12:46] <SlackRat> finally found a bit of sanity in their kubuntu irc and forums
[12:46] <SlackRat> less lollercons
[12:47] <SlackRat> and lamers
[12:48] <khaije1> SlackRat: yr not part troll are you?
[12:48] <SlackRat> nope
[12:48] <SlackRat> just burnt on the whole phenomeon this week.....
[12:48] <khaije1> how do you mean?
[12:48] <SlackRat> misleading info, lots of ado about nothing.....i know theres so many people working their asses off
[12:49] <SlackRat> but theres a flood of literal adolescents running around ,,,,,rant and rave fanboys, gets annoying
[12:50] <SlackRat> with less attention atm on kubuntu, you find less of all that
[12:50] <SlackRat> xubuntu is probaly the zen center of the universe
[12:50] <SlackRat> heh
[12:50] <khaije1> SlackRat: was there some event or something? i must have missed it all
[12:51] <premier_> hello, my computer has not been shutting down properly
[12:51] <SlackRat> nope, not really, it reminded me of running suse and going to suse irc support......it s bedlam
[12:51] <khaije1> i use xubuntu on my laptop, the chan is *rarely* very active
[12:51] <premier_> I get a black screen for a long time when I log out of kde, and sometimes I have to crash it
[12:51] <SlackRat> with people dispensing clearly inapproapirate and wrong info that could trash some new guys system
[12:52] <SlackRat> yeah, like kubuntu, its a bit out of the limelight.....
[12:52] <SlackRat> this channel is more of what one might expect from a linux channel......but the suse and ubuntu?
[12:52] <SlackRat> i steer clear of now
[12:52] <khaije1> where do you fall on the whole kde vs gnome intifada?
[12:53] <premier_> khaije1: I was just trying gnome today, but i crashed.  It was very strange
[12:53] <SlackRat> threres a new intifada? or just the ongoing flame wars?
[12:53] <khaije1> premier_: can you copy 'tail /var/log/syslog'  to the paste bin?
[12:53] <premier_> Its like it tried to load up my kde settings, that didnt end well...
[12:53] <SlackRat> bye
[12:54] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/362674
[12:54] <khaije1> SlackRat: heh, same old stuff, i don't usually chime in that much but it seems like gnome is better, at producing advanced tech, but kde is better and incorporating it cohesively
[12:54] <premier_> Ive rebooted since I tried gnome
[12:54] <khaije1> just makes me wonder about the future sometimes
[12:55] <SlackRat> kde user, but if gnome or xfce or flux works, great....its about choice
[12:55] <SlackRat> i got a vm of etch running gnome atm somewhere
[12:55] <SlackRat> just not what im used to and not the options i prefer....atm
[12:55] <SlackRat> actually like xfce better than gnome
[12:56] <premier_> SlackRat: maybe Im a gui addict, but xfce is to simple to useful imho, but I havent used it enough to know
[12:57] <premier_> how could I experiment with enlightenment on my computer?
[12:57] <SlackRat> me neither, but its fast and light and i can manuevre round imo easier than gnome if im coming from kde
[12:57] <SlackRat> sit crosslegged in front of your screen and chant OM
[12:57] <SlackRat> oh....u mean the desktop
[12:58] <khaije1> SlackRat: nothing wrong w/ that, there is something that feels natural and appealing about it where as kde can feel like alien technology at times
[12:58] <SlackRat> used it so much on so many distros its real comfortable for me
[12:58] <khaije1> premier_: apt-cache sarch enlightenment
[12:59] <premier_> khaije1: do you have anything to say about that log it pastebinned?
[12:59] <SlackRat> tho i think that kde  (and OO atm) might be starting to add too many buggy useless features for their own good
[01:00] <khaije1> premier_:  actually could you dump more, instead of showing shutdown it only showed the startup info, maybe try tail -100 /var/log/syslog
[01:02] <weatherman> hi, if my provider says it doesn't support pppoe does it mean that I don't have any chance at all to connect through pppoe?
[01:02] <premier_> SlackRat: if thats true, they'll be falling down the windows route.  As a former microsoft user, I can tell you that that windows contains so much useless features that run in the background, consume reasources, and crash your computer
[01:02] <khaije1> weatherman: dsl?
[01:02] <premier_> http://pastebin.ca/362678
[01:03] <weatherman> khaije1: yes sir :)
[01:03] <SlackRat> yup , could be a problem
[01:04] <SlackRat> i think ive seen more feeping creaturism and buggy problems in kde this year than ever before
[01:04] <premier_> khaije1: I was experimenting with beryl, gnome, kde, in different combinations, and I caused a lot of crashes and stuff
[01:04] <khaije1> feeping creaturism? not that *IS* frightening
[01:05] <Dr_willis> I liked some of the features of that Mandriva Mettis live cd i saw the other day
[01:05] <premier_> a pun on creeping featurism, right?
[01:05] <SlackRat> heh, yeah
[01:05] <SlackRat> Mettis??
[01:05] <SolidSource> after installing azureus through adept...does anyones NOT start up, no matter how many times you try to start it?
[01:06] <Dr_willis> yea a fancy desktop thang.. ads some neat featres.. but dosent need a high end video card
[01:06] <khaije1> premier_: i hate to say it but i'm not quite sure what to make of the problem you described
[01:06] <SlackRat> btw, the duvall distro (after Mandriva dumped him) is based on debian i hear....
[01:06] <premier_> beryl-style, or just fancy?
[01:07] <SolidSource> !acroread
[01:07] <ubotu> acroread: Adobe Acrobat Reader: Portable Document Format file viewer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7.0.9-0.0.ubuntu0.6.10 (edgy), package size 22375 kB, installed size 54700 kB (Only available for i386)
[01:07] <Dr_willis> different from beryl - not as '3dish' and more useable in ways
[01:07] <Dr_willis> Check out the live cd some time.
[01:07] <HymnToLife> SlackRat, based on Ubuntu, even
[01:07] <premier_> khaije1: Actually, Ive been having a lot of trouble with linux.  Given that Im told that its supposed to be more stable, I wondering if there's something Im doing wrong
[01:07] <Dr_willis> I couldent get the live cd to install properly however. :(
[01:07] <HymnToLife> I tested the first alpha live CD of it
[01:08] <HymnToLife> its Kubuntu with different graphics
[01:09] <Dr_willis> given the problems ive had with windows... Linux is a peice of angle food cake with frosting.
[01:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:09] <premier_> google mandriva mettis return almost no results... mispelling?
[01:09] <Dr_willis> check the disrtowatch web site
[01:09] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: What is?
[01:09] <Dr_willis> let me see
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: mettis?
[01:10] <premier_> well, maybe its my imagination, or maybe its because Im a noob and Im playing around way to much, but it doesnt seem to crash/fail more that I'd like
[01:10] <MuJ> http://www.mandriva.com/projects/metisse/
[01:10] <DaSkreech> premier_: ^^^ :)
[01:10] <Dr_willis> Mandriva-2007.0-One-Metisse.i586.iso
[01:10] <Dr_willis> 1 t 2 s's :)
[01:11] <SlackRat> how is ulteo?
[01:11] <Dr_willis> Hmm..  i need to install vmware some day
[01:11] <khaije1> premier_: alot of the statements people make about linux aren't really saying what it *is* as much as what it can be, ubuntu is intended to included lots of new software, part of the reason why it's popular, but certain it's possible for problems to arise especially when you're first learning yr way around fixes tend to be more hackish
[01:12] <Dr_willis> then theres unlearning the bad windows habbits
[01:12] <khaije1> premier_: if your goal is to learn it, make sure you set up yr system in a way that you seperate yr OS from yr user data so that you can reinstall on a whim, thats my recommendation
[01:13] <khaije1> premier_: that way you can isolate the variable, and apply what you've learned
[01:13] <Dr_willis> 'learn the fundamentals'
[01:15] <SlackRat> did anyone just hear a gong?
[01:15] <soulrider> i tried mandriva before and didnt really like it
[01:15] <soulrider> and i found quite a few bugs right from the begining
[01:15] <DaSkreech> I tried Mandriva long before and did really like it
[01:16] <DaSkreech>  It shipped with a whole slew of documentation
[01:16] <Dr_willis> I with these disrto would stop all these little annlying 'tweeks' that dont really add much value,, other then rearanging stuff.
[01:16] <HymnToLife> I liked the old Mandrakes (still hame my Mandrake 10 CDs)
[01:16] <SlackRat> its good for newbs but has alot under the hood, its not a one disk install with one app per job
[01:16] <alessandro> Hi.I need to compile a driver,but i need first the kernel source .how can i get em?
[01:16] <Dr_willis> !kernel
[01:16] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:16] <HymnToLife> but I just can't get used to the RPM stuff
[01:16] <soulrider> i just tried it out because my teacher said he used it, but i found it a bit slow. There were a couple of things that i liked better than ubuntu though
[01:16] <Dr_willis> alessandro,  you also need to instll the 'build-essential' package
[01:17] <SlackRat> yeah, would be happy if i never had to see another rpm
[01:17] <soulrider> i never really used RPM myself, but i heard it sucked
[01:17] <SlackRat> tho PCLinuxOS reinvented somthing based on mandrake rpms didnt they??
[01:17] <Dr_willis> rpms are ok.. :) all this stugg gets soo overhyped..
[01:17] <DaSkreech> RPM's suck as much as .debs
[01:17] <alessandro> Dr_willis: I installed them already
[01:17] <samben> Hi, I'm having trouble getting dual-monitors working
[01:17] <DaSkreech> Apt however rocks ":)
[01:18] <Dr_willis> package-managment is just a LARGE and complex problem with lots of pitfalls.
[01:18] <samben> dell laptop and dell 17 flat panel
[01:18] <SlackRat> rpms suck more cause it takes three syllables to say it
[01:18] <SlackRat> as opposed to deb
[01:18] <SlackRat> L-P
[01:18] <SlackRat> :-P
[01:19] <Dr_willis> .tar.gz !
[01:19] <soulrider> as i see it they should make a new package type, and most distros should use it. It would help new users a lot
[01:19] <Dr_willis> .exe
[01:19] <soulrider> i never really understood the .gz part of tar.gz
[01:19] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  that was sort of the decision to go with rpm a few yrs back... and everyone went 'ick'
[01:19] <SlackRat> gunzip
[01:19] <adydas_> soulrider: gunzip
[01:19] <Dr_willis> gz  = gzipped
[01:19] <soulrider> i see
[01:19] <Dr_willis> tar archives have no compression
[01:19] <soulrider> but its just like a normal zip right ?
[01:19] <soulrider> ahh
[01:20] <jhutchins> soulrider: There's actually a universal binary package format, but it's not used much.
[01:20] <Dr_willis> gzip is not the same as a 'zip' :)
[01:20] <soulrider> jhutchins: what is it ?
[01:20] <intelikey> .tar.bz2    .tar.gz      .tar.zip   ...
[01:20] <SlackRat> compiling
[01:20] <khaije1> jhutchins: what is it?
[01:20] <soulrider> im such a newb to linux
[01:20] <Dr_willis> dont get confused and try to 'unzip' a .bz2, or gz file
[01:20] <soulrider> and ive been using it since july
[01:20] <DaSkreech> .package I think
[01:21] <Dr_willis> heck i rember .arc .zoo .lzh  and other archive frmats
[01:21] <khaije1> thats gay
[01:21] <soulrider> khaije1: watch it....
[01:21] <khaije1> (no fense to the homosexual population intended)
[01:21] <Dr_willis> theres the autopackage system out also. and the klick stuff
[01:21] <DaSkreech> kilk is neat bt will never catch on
[01:21] <intelikey> Dr_willis what ever happened to .arj  ?
[01:21] <Dr_willis> neither seem to work very well from what ige messed with them
[01:21] <DaSkreech> but
[01:22] <soulrider> i remember arj files
[01:22] <soulrider> long time ago
[01:22] <Dr_willis> i dont rember thise
[01:22] <Dr_willis> heh.
[01:22] <khaije1> jhutchins: were you thinking of a format called .package?
[01:22] <soulrider> i think they were for DOS though
[01:22] <dwidmann> Hmmm
[01:23] <dwidmann> the usplash bug in 64-bit has finally been fixed :)
[01:23] <Dr_willis> i always disabvle usplash :)
[01:23] <dwidmann> Me too
[01:23] <dwidmann> but I have to stare at it while booting the live cd
[01:24] <adydas_> I swear to god, if your looking for somthing to do and loved lemmings apt-get install pingus
[01:24] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[01:24] <adydas_> I just have to share.
[01:24] <soulrider> im such a dork... a couple of years ago i downlaoded Mandrake and suse, but i had them installed for like one day and went back to windows just because i was too lazy to learn
[01:24] <soulrider> i wish i had made the switch then
[01:24] <Dr_willis> or install dosbox and play your old dos games
[01:25] <khaije1> !nexuiz
[01:25] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php and ubuntugames.org
[01:25] <khaije1> this game is the truth
[01:26] <DaSkreech> khaije1: too damn fast
[01:26] <dwidmann> Looks like herd 4 finally got the polishing it needed too ... seemed like a mess at herd 2
[01:26] <soulrider> BTW, does anyone know if its possible to get the stuff in the repos on CDs or DVDs ? kind of like the extra CDs in Suse and Mandriva
[01:26] <Dr_willis> the 'stuff' can be quite a few GB. :)
[01:26] <dwidmann> soulrider: the dvd has the entire main repository on it, if I remember right, asides from that, not that I know
[01:26] <soulrider> yes Dr_willis im aware of that
[01:27] <soulrider> i see dwidmann
[01:27] <Dr_willis> of course given how fast updates can be for this stuff..
[01:27] <dwidmann> As for the stuff, you'd need about 3 dvds
[01:27] <dwidmann> perhaps more
[01:27] <SolidSource> question: anyone getting "couldn't find" message when trying to install acroread, mozilla-acroread, acroread-plugins?
[01:27] <dwidmann> perhaps less also
[01:27] <intelikey> i'd only want the 'stuff' after they stop updating it every week
[01:27] <premier_> When I turn on acpi, sometimes my computer will crash on boot, saying, "Soft Lockup on CPU #0"
[01:28] <khaije1> DaSkreech: what about rrootage?
[01:28] <soulrider> SolidSource: you have enabled the extra repos ?
[01:28] <soulrider> rrootage owns!!
[01:28] <premier_> I find it amazing that the operating system is able to detect something like that
[01:28] <Dr_willis> khaije1,   i couldent even figure out how to starty that game...
[01:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:28] <SlackRat> soulrider, not that i know of, since if you wanna include the unsupported multiverse its like two ro three dvds, the repos outnumber debian atm
[01:28] <dwidmann> intelikey: in other words, not until the distribution is dead, assuming that could happen (and I won't let it >:( )
[01:28] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Eh?
[01:28] <khaije1> Dr_willis: it's the 'z' key :-)
[01:28] <SolidSource> soulrider: yes...I make my own lists and have everything enabled
[01:28] <cpk1> soulrider: you can burn you apt-cache to dvd or cd
[01:28] <Dr_willis> khaije1,  gesh - thats so logical! :)
[01:29] <intelikey> dwidmann no.
[01:29] <khaije1> DaSkreech: just a nice retro-ish arcade game you might like
[01:29] <intelikey> dwidmann warty is not being updated at all now.
[01:29] <DaSkreech> What's rrooted?
[01:29] <DaSkreech> repos?
[01:29] <dwidmann> intelikey: don't forget about security updates, they keep going for years :D
[01:29] <dwidmann> Wait, you've got a point >.>
[01:29] <soulrider> cpk1: i know that, im justa sking ebcause i remember someone was complaining one day that you couldnt get CDs or DVDs with extra packages for the peoiple with no net access
[01:29] <khaije1> DaSkreech: you betcha
[01:29] <soulrider> rrootage
[01:29] <intelikey> dwidmann on the LTS they do,  but warty is already EOL
[01:30] <khaije1> hmm.. actually I'll brb :-)
[01:30] <dwidmann> True, true
[01:30] <Dr_willis> if ya got no net access... go back to dos. :)
[01:30] <DaSkreech> !rrootage
[01:30] <ubotu> rrootage: arcade-style space shooting game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.23a-4 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 240 kB
[01:30] <soulrider> i wish i was a better programmer to be able to contribute with patches and stuff
[01:30] <SlackRat> its a good point.....mepis finally released extras for free download,and theyre based on buntu now
[01:30] <soulrider> Dr_willis: lots of people here dont ahve net access
[01:30] <dwidmann> Don't look at me, Work has my brain fried for the [insert indeterminate amount of time here]
[01:30] <SlackRat> join launchpad and submit bug reportws
[01:30] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  people 'in here' ? :)
[01:31] <soulrider> Dr_willis: where i live
[01:31] <SlackRat> lol
[01:31] <dwidmann> soulrider: and where's that?
[01:31] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  ok.. heh - tht dident make sence at first.
[01:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:31] <SlackRat> i spent my first two years on linux without net access.....
[01:31] <soulrider> dwidmann: do a whois :P
[01:31] <SlackRat> big ass distros were great
[01:31] <Dr_willis> if it werent for IRC.. i wouldent need net access
[01:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:31] <dwidmann> fine, so I can't be lazy :\
[01:31] <dwidmann> whois soulrider
[01:31] <soulrider> SlackRat: i got some classmates that want linux but they dont ahve neta ccess, and they need stuff like java sdk
[01:31] <dwidmann> freaking slash :(
[01:32] <soulrider> plus, theya re newbies so they need to learn
[01:32] <SlackRat> give them suse or fedora
[01:32] <SlackRat> five to six cds
 if ya got no net access... go back to dos. :)   <<<  except that dos never was as cool as linux+bash   no already scrolled text paging, no multi-ttys no command line editing,  no tab completion....  need i go on ?
[01:32] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  dr-dos !! :)
[01:32] <Dr_willis> free-dos
[01:32] <SlackRat> tho suse got too buggy for me this year, and the MS deal soured the whole idea
[01:32] <soulrider> SlackRat: im a newbie too at linux, so i want them to ahve the same distro as me so i can help them with what i know
[01:32] <SlackRat> or debian dvds
[01:33] <soulrider> i tried suse and i thought it sucked
[01:33] <SlackRat> you can download packages and put them on cds, say two or three cds worth
[01:33] <SolidSource> SuSE = business oriented OS
[01:33] <SlackRat> i usually store downloaded pkgs so i dont have to download them again
[01:33] <soulrider> SlackRat: thats what i kind of wanted to do, but i dont really know if theres a way to ahve apt downlaod deps too
[01:33] <peanutb> it seems my up and down keys have stopped working, anyone know howto fix this?
[01:33] <soulrider> even if i already ahve them installed
[01:34] <SlackRat> hmn
[01:34] <DaSkreech> !shipit
[01:34] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will not send Edgy (6.10) CDs, but only Dapper (6.06) CDs, as Dapper is a !LTS release.
[01:34] <intelikey> SlackRat but that doesn't help if you have the updates and security repos enabled  you will always have to dl the latest.    (always until EOL)
[01:34] <SlackRat> you should consider debian when etch is released, one dvd thousands of pkgs......ubuntu uses many of the same tools
[01:35] <cpk1> you can its like -d or something to download only
[01:35] <SlackRat> cause u couldnt exactly reproduce the first three or four ubuntu pkg cds based on debians, it wouldnt work right
[01:35] <intelikey> SlackRat ubuntu is based on debian
[01:35] <dwidmann> SlackRat: thought it was two?
[01:35] <SlackRat> yes, but not hundred percent compatible
[01:36] <soulrider> cpk1: i know you can do -d, but will it also download dependencies? even if you have them installed ?
[01:36] <SlackRat> theres two dvds of packages without source, yeah
[01:36] <peanutb> SlackRat: look at http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en
[01:36] <intelikey> not 90% compatable
[01:36] <SlackRat> you use the dvds as repos, some packages wll find unmet deps still
[01:36] <SlackRat> just as it might in testing or unstable online
[01:36] <intelikey> well maybe 90%.... idk the exact %
[01:37] <soulrider> i might try that
[01:37] <dwidmann> I'll be back ...... assuming the new install boots okay
[01:37] <soulrider> but im not sure of my classmates for DVD drives
[01:37] <SlackRat> got pretty far with only discs for repos , but thats why ubuntu wasnt practical then without net access
[01:37] <soulrider> dwidmann: good luck
[01:37] <soulrider> too late :(
[01:37] <intelikey> too late :S
[01:37] <johey> Can anyone recommend a good FTP client with SSL support? Preferably KDE/QT.
[01:38] <intelikey> konqueror ?
[01:38] <richard> you took the words out of my mouth
[01:38] <johey> intelikey: Ah. I've heard about that one. ;) Didn't know it had FTP support at all. Heh.
[01:39] <intelikey> ;/
[01:39] <DaSkreech> Konqueror has * support
[01:39] <intelikey> mmm more like .*   but yeah
[01:39] <DaSkreech> I may be overstating but let me check man:/konqueror
[01:40] <intelikey> check   #konqueror while you're at it
[01:40] <peanutb> my up, down, and del buttons stopped working. anyone know a fix
[01:41] <intelikey> inputrc
[01:41] <johey> How do I enable Auth SSL support for a server in Konqueror?
[01:41] <peanutb> whats inputrc?
[01:41] <SlackRat> or try something odd and download the mepis extra cds to see if they are mostly compatible with ubuntu.....my guess is you want a five cd distro to start  with tho, you can always move on to another one
[01:41] <soulrider> !inputrc
[01:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inputrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <soulrider> i guess i can just download the stuff for my friends and give it to them
[01:42] <intelikey> peanutb a runtime configuration file.   the default is  /etc/inputrc   but that won't affect kde i don't think.  only consoles and terminals...
[01:43] <dwidmann> How (in)convenient
[01:43] <khaije1> off the wall question, do you think jabber will ever supersede irc?
[01:43] <peanutb> whatever the problem is, it also effects all kde and GTK programs.
[01:43] <SlackRat> over my dead body
[01:43] <intelikey> peanutb check the   kcontrol
[01:43] <shadowhywind> does anyone know how to zip using ark (to a tar.gz ) with a password?
[01:43] <soulrider> peanutb: this will sound like a windows fix, but have you restarted ? :P
[01:43] <dwidmann> I don't think it will, hopefully it will supersede other instant messengers though
[01:44] <khaije1> but is there anything irc does better than jabber?
[01:44] <soulrider> i never used jabber =/
[01:44] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Attract idiots?
[01:44] <intelikey> what's jabber ?
[01:44] <khaije1> haha
[01:44] <dwidmann> too true
[01:44] <dwidmann> almost sad
[01:44] <SlackRat> soulrider, since ubuntu is a one cd distro, with net repos, youd be banging your head on the wall
[01:44] <peanutb> soulrider, no i havent, will do
[01:44] <DaSkreech> khaije1: It has a better more stable set of commands so You can expect most IRC clients to have a core set of functionality. Nothing like that exists for jabber
[01:45] <SlackRat> first three or four deb cds, or another distro that everyone was on makes more sense
[01:45] <dwidmann> SlackRat: but banging my head against the wall is fun
[01:45] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:45] <SlackRat> heh
[01:45] <khaije1> DaSkreech: thats a good point, i wonder if that will ever change
[01:45] <DaSkreech> khaije1: You can run jabber servers that don't even allow multiple Person chat.....
[01:45] <DaSkreech> That alone is hard to get over
[01:45] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Ho
[01:46] <dwidmann> The feisty installer didn't even set up grub :(
[01:46] <khaije1> DaSkreech: can't really hold configurability against it?
[01:46] <dwidmann> I hate having to do this crap manually ...
[01:46] <khaije1> DaSkreech: you found me?!?
[01:46] <soulrider> lol dwidmann
[01:47] <SlackRat> look at mepis for the time being......they got a few pkg cds for download
[01:47] <soulrider> what i think the installation REALLY needs, is to let you select what packages you want to install with the distro
[01:47] <SlackRat> debian system now based on ubuntu kernel and development
[01:47] <khaije1> DaSkreech: heh, pardon the last comment, i was thinking you were talking to me, thats the resource name for my jabber account :-)
[01:47] <SlackRat> now youre talking slackware, heh
[01:47] <DaSkreech> khaije1: Ho?
[01:47] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: is ho short for something or just your way of saying hi?
[01:47] <soulrider> or calling youa  ho' :P
[01:48] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: Letters are right by each other on the keyboard
[01:48] <khaije1> DaSkreech: ganymede, It's my desktop name
[01:48] <sstchur> In KDE Network settings, I can see that my laptop's built in wireless card is detected, but it is disabled, and any attempt to "enable" it always fails.  Why would this be?
[01:48] <soulrider> !wireless
[01:48] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[01:48] <intelikey> navaho ?
[01:48] <gan|y|med> i am using another language version
[01:48] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: what keyboard do you use? dvorak?
[01:48] <khaije1> ~U.N.I.T.Y.!~
[01:49] <DaSkreech> gan|y|med: i and o aren't beside each other on your keyboard????
[01:49] <SlackRat> unity in all its diversity
[01:50] <intelikey> order is complex.   chaos is simple...
[01:50] <gan|y|med> DaSkreech: oh, got that wrong
[01:50] <soulrider> intelikey: true :P
[01:50] <dx11101> hi all
[01:50] <soulrider> hi dx11101
[01:50] <dwidmann> Yum, chaos, and can I have some mass destruction for dessert?
[01:50] <dx11101> i just installed kubuntu two weeks ago and im stuck on somenthing
[01:50] <dx11101> i can get my system to read SD chips
[01:51] <soulrider> dx11101: what do you need help with ?
[01:51] <dx11101> *cant
[01:51] <soulrider> uhm
[01:51] <Dr_willis> dx11101,  what kind of system?
[01:51] <soulrider> like the cammera cards ?
[01:51] <intelikey> dwidmann it comes with that order  yes
[01:51] <dx11101> yeah
[01:51] <dx11101> when i put it into the card reader it prompts me with a open window option
[01:51] <dx11101> but it gives me a blank folder
[01:51] <Dr_willis> My laptops built in media-reader - dose not work under linux. :( sadly.. had to get a $5   media reader for the usb ports.
[01:51] <gan|y|med> does anybody use initng on ubuntu edgy???
[01:51] <dx11101> but i know it has photos
[01:52] <Dr_willis> dx11101,  mount the thing manually. I find auto-mounting can often cause more problems then it solves
[01:52] <intelikey> gan|y|med not on edgy   i have on hoary
[01:52] <dx11101> ahh
[01:52] <dx11101> yeah because i have it automounting
[01:52] <dx11101> but before i automoutned it gave me a URL error reading the card
[01:53] <Dr_willis> when in doubt fall back to the console/terminal. :)
[01:53] <gan|y|med> intelikey: that's too old i am afraid. it worked on dapper for me. flawlessly. but on edgy (like some other things, argh) it doesn't
[01:53] <Dr_willis> of course it pays to learn that stuff incase you never need to rescue a system.
[01:53] <intelikey> when confident, use the console
[01:53] <intelikey> :)
[01:53] <dx11101> well im a n00b
[01:53] <Dr_willis> un-n00b yourself :)
[01:53] <gan|y|med> intelikey: just a shot in the dark, but have you had problems with usb devices?
[01:53] <dx11101> with the command line anyways
[01:54] <Dr_willis> quit playing with your n00b - you will go blind. :P
[01:54] <shadowhywind> does anyone know how to password protect a tar.gz
[01:54] <SlackRat> shave your hands Dr_willis
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !pgp
[01:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pgp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:54] <intelikey> gan|y|med i have never seen edgy not breezy nor warty for that matter.
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !find pgp
[01:54] <ubotu> Found: gpgp, libpgp-sign-perl, pgpdump, pgpgpg, pgplsh (and 9 others)
[01:54] <Dr_willis> !info gpgp
[01:54] <ubotu> gpgp: gnome front-end to GnuPG - a free PGP replacement. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4-12ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 56 kB, installed size 300 kB
[01:55] <Dr_willis> pgp can encrypt files right?
[01:55] <dx11101> pretty good privacy
[01:55] <dwidmann> shadowhywind: well, you could use (k)gpg to do a one way encryption on it .....
[01:55] <SlackRat> see, if you say noob on the ubuntu channel people have hissy fits
[01:55] <intelikey> gan|y|med i'll probably never see feisty either... nor the one that fillows it.
[01:55] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i mean on hoary
[01:55] <intelikey> fillows  ?
[01:55] <SlackRat> feisty, be thankful you can still be moderately aroused
[01:55] <intelikey> follows
[01:56] <shadowhywind> dwidmann do you know if Ark can handle the extraction or even to password from there?
[01:56] <SlackRat> oh, you meant the new release
[01:56] <gan|y|med> intelikey: is there a reason for this (like "never change a running system")?
[01:56] <SlackRat> never mind
[01:56] <dwidmann> shadowhywind: doubtful
[01:56] <Dr_willis> ark is just a fancy front end to the various command line tools.. last i looked.
[01:56] <intelikey> gan|y|med yeah,  it's called dialup.
[01:57] <cpk1> noob
[01:57] <intelikey> gan|y|med you dl the install cd at 4k down
[01:57] <shadowhywind> dwidmann so i can use kgpg to encrypt my file, and i am asumeing that it will also decrypte it later?
[01:57] <netcat> anyone using 2.6.20 kernel ?
[01:57] <dwidmann> shadowhywind: yes
[01:57] <dwidmann> netcat: I will be in about 10 minutes
[01:57] <netcat> I don't recommend it dwidmann
[01:57] <gan|y|med> intelikey: i got the same problem at home, that doesn't prevent you from getting a new version (oreilley even has an ubuntu book plus dapper released)
[01:58] <dwidmann> netcat: why's that?
[01:58] <nc631> I'm having issues with netfilter
[01:58] <SlackRat> lmao
[01:58] <nc631> they changed it a fair bit...
[01:58] <gan|y|med> intelikey: so no usb probs on hoary with initng?
[01:58] <nc631> x_tables and shit...
[01:58] <intelikey> at least DaSkreech knows you don't "have" hissies.  you pitch them...
[01:58] <intelikey> gan|y|med no
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Comes with the job
[01:59] <intelikey> :)
[01:59] <intelikey> DaSkreech well do you 'have' or 'throw' coniptions ?
[01:59] <dwidmann> I never played with netfilters anyway
[01:59] <SlackRat> you can pitch, throw or have.....so there
[02:00] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I think it depends on how old you are
[02:00] <intelikey> SlackRat yankey
[02:00] <dx11101> HEY GUYS THANKS FOR THE HELP I GOT IT WORKING
[02:00] <gan|y|med> intelikey: thx anyway
[02:00] <SlackRat> lol
[02:00] <dx11101> much thanks
[02:00] <intelikey> lol
[02:00] <DaSkreech> dx11101: Cool :)
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Now script it
[02:00] <dx11101> i used the gui based systems settings to get it working
[02:00] <dx11101> i guess i suck at konsole
[02:00] <dx11101> :)
[02:01] <dx11101> it was automounted but it wasnt "enabled" for some reason
[02:01] <jarn> Is there a way to make ls sort files like konqueror does, with the folders first and then the rest in alphabetical order instead of just in alphabetical order?
[02:01] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[02:01] <Dr_willis> dx11101,  ive noticed a lot of quirks with kubuntu and auto-mounting lately.
[02:01] <intelikey> jarn  man ls
[02:01] <Mena> i need a progran to open this extentionm of files .bin its like iso files ...so any ideas
[02:01] <dx11101> i have all my NTFS partitions automounted
[02:02] <dx11101> without issues
[02:02] <dwidmann> Mena: you probably run the .bin files in a shell
[02:02] <dx11101> eventually im going to convert my data to EXT3 though
[02:02] <dwidmann> or wait
[02:02] <dwidmann> that .bin
[02:02] <dwidmann> You can convert it to iso if you want, I think
[02:02] <Mena> dwidmann, how to covert
[02:02] <dwidmann> additionally, I think k3b can handle the .bin files
[02:03] <Mena> ok
[02:03] <cpk1> Mena: is it a bin/cue video?
[02:03] <Dr_willis> yes - k3b is supposed to handle cue/bin now.
[02:03] <Mena> yes
[02:03] <SlackRat> http://applications.linux.com/applications/07/02/16/1937237.shtml?tid=26&tid=13&tid=22
[02:03] <cpk1> Mena: bchunk will convert them to iso
[02:03] <Mena> dr_willis, ok
[02:03] <SlackRat> ouch......
[02:04] <SlackRat> you mean that intifada??
[02:04] <Blacken> Well, I managed to hose NTLDR when installing Linux next to Windows. (There were two separate Windows installs, 32-bit and 64-bit, and I overwrote the 32-bit one that had NTLDR on the hard drive...sigh). Is there a way on Linux to see drives/partitions the way boot.ini's loader would (i.e. multi(0)disk(0)...)?
[02:04] <nc631> dwidmann: cause I'm having heaps of issues with 2.6.20
[02:04] <Mena> cpk1, ok
[02:04] <jarn> intelikey: I looked through that already, I didn't see it in there. I think I'm just not noticing it because I can't believe it's not possible.
[02:05] <cpk1> Mena: its in the repos
[02:05] <dx11101> how do you tell which kernel version you have
[02:05] <dwidmann> uname -r
[02:05] <Mena> cpk1, ok good that you tell me :D
[02:05] <cpk1> Mena: and its as easy as bchunk namof.bin nameof.cue namofoutput
[02:05] <DaSkreech> can ark do volumes in creation?
[02:05] <dx11101> kthanks
[02:05] <cpk1> or it might be cue file then bin file read the man Mena =)
[02:05] <Blacken> It's not as simple as hda/hdb, as one drive is SATA and the other IDE.
[02:05] <Mena> cpk1, ok cool :D
[02:06] <eric_> is there a way to set the konsole so it automatically starts up in sudo mode?
[02:06] <peanutb> in konversation, how do you show actions?
[02:06] <Dr_willis> eric_, 'sudo mode' hmmm....
[02:06] <DaSkreech> peanutb: actions?
[02:06] <eric_> yea...
[02:06] <peanutb> as in "* Dr_willis slaps the peopl;e that decided to use .bin extension"
[02:06] <Dr_willis> you could set up a konsle item to run a root shell
[02:07] <DaSkreech> peanutb: ah that I read konsole at first :)
[02:07] <DaSkreech> peanutb: try /me
[02:07] <Dr_willis> eric_,  sudo mode - dosent make a lot of sence. :)  you could use 'sudo -s' to have a root shell
[02:07] <dwidmann> that or you could run konsole as kdesu konsole instead
[02:07] <eric_> yea i know
[02:07] <eric_> thats what i normally do
[02:07] <Dr_willis> of course the point of using sudo. is to not have root shells open. where ya can accidently break things
[02:08] <eric_> ok
[02:08] <dwidmann> or where someone else can accidentally help you in accidentally breaking things by accidentally walking up to your accidentally unused computer and accidentally type in rm -rf
[02:08] <dwidmann> /
[02:08] <SlackRat> you cant sudo rm -rf?
[02:09] <fudgey> hey
[02:09] <dwidmann> SlackRat: not without the password
[02:09] <fudgey> is it possible to get a spread sheet program?
[02:09] <SlackRat> but the password makes you root enuf to trash your system
[02:09] <SlackRat> as does fakeroot
[02:09] <SlackRat> peanut, wanna lose your whole system
[02:10] <gnomefreak> peanutb: it removes a directory if you name the directory
[02:10] <fudgey> excel on ubuntu?
[02:10] <dwidmann> fudgey: openoffice and koffice and gnomeoffice all have spreadsheet programs
[02:10] <fudgey> can I install ubuntu on an old imac?
[02:10] <SlackRat> what it does help with is stopping people who can get into your system from looking for the root accountand cracking it
[02:10] <peanutb> fudgey, its already there, openoffice.org spreadsheet
[02:10] <gnomefreak> fudgey: yes
[02:10] <fudgey> thanks =)
[02:10] <fudgey> how to?
[02:11] <fudgey> which button loads the cd
[02:11] <fudgey> on startup
[02:11] <dwidmann> fudgey: yes, but you need the PowerPC ISO image
[02:11] <fudgey> o
[02:11] <peanutb> how old is this mac?
[02:11] <fudgey> 9.2
[02:11] <fudgey> a
[02:11] <peanutb> ok
[02:11] <flaccid0es> yeah should do auto if you burned the ppc image
[02:11] <jarn> Is there a flag to make ls sort files like konqueror does, with the folders first and then the rest in alphabetical order instead of just in alphabetical order? I looked through man ls but didn't see it. I think I'm just missing it, because I've got to imagine they have one.
[02:11] <fudgey> k thanks
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Wait
[02:12] <intelikey> jarn  man ls
[02:12] <DaSkreech> Dolphin is in KDEBASE?
[02:12] <jarn> intelikey: You said that already. Again, I didn't see it in there.
[02:12] <dwidmann> ls -X
[02:12] <intelikey> jarn sgort answer.     if it's not there.  it's not there.
[02:13] <intelikey> short
[02:13] <jarn> dwidmann: ls -X doesn't do that.
[02:13] <noel_> Greetings folks. Is the a version of UBUNTU that has a 1000mhz system clock instead of 250? I am trying to run ROSEGARDEN.
[02:13] <dwidmann> looks like it does to me
[02:13] <dwidmann> it's showing directories first ... just like you were asking about
[02:13] <jarn> Not for me, it isn't.
[02:13] <dwidmann> hummmmm
[02:14] <Dr_willis> check your alias's
[02:14] <jarn> It is in some directories.
[02:14] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis: I think I shall
[02:14] <intelikey> dwidmann that's only because all your dirs are smaller than the files
[02:14] <dwidmann> Probably
[02:14] <DaSkreech> aren't all dirs like 4k ?
[02:14] <intelikey> -X sorts by size
[02:14] <dwidmann> Wait
[02:14] <dwidmann> Bah
[02:14] <dwidmann> Yeah, that was it
[02:14] <dwidmann> I'm too jumpy right now
[02:15] <dwidmann> too much lack of sleep and not enough coffee to compensate
[02:16] <noel_> DaSkreech: Greetings. I don't suppose you know of an easy way to the system clock back to 1000, currently it is at 250 and ROSEGARDEN is complaining?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> The clcok?
[02:17] <DaSkreech> as in the Processor speed?
[02:17] <dx11101> isnt that set in the bios?
[02:17] <NightBird> dx11101, it might be a dynamic clock...
[02:18] <Dr_willis> I dont know.. he has me totally baffled..
[02:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:18] <noel_> DaSkreech: "System timer resolution is too low" ROSEGARDEN.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> sounds liek cpu throtteling?
[02:18] <Dr_willis> thats not the same as the cpu speed.. i think ..
[02:18] <dx11101> http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
[02:18] <NightBird> System timer resolution o_O
[02:18] <dx11101> is taht the program?
[02:18] <thev> can someone help me with Samba?  I have one share which isn't playing nice.  Many others are.  I'm not sure what the the problem can be
[02:18] <NightBird> that isn't the cpu speed at all...
[02:18] <thev> as far as I can tell permissions are the same
[02:19] <Mena> how to open a directory in terminal
[02:19] <noel_> dx11101: Yes .Rosegarden is the program.
[02:19] <intelikey> jarn something like this would do it, but i doubt it's what you want. ####  for Q in * ;do [ -d "$Q" ]  && DIRS="$DIRS \n$Q" || FILES="$FILES \n$Q" ;done ;echo -e "$DIRS \n$FILES"  ####
[02:19] <Mena> bec i cant cd it
[02:20] <SlackRat> cd /dir/name/path
[02:20] <intelikey> jarn and that will probably error if filenames have spaces or other special chars
[02:21] <jarn> intelikey: Ah.
[02:21] <jarn> intelikey: What do I do with that?
[02:22] <thev> can I reload fstab without restarting?
[02:22] <intelikey> jarn you could put that in a function in .bashrc   or a script.   or you can just plug it into the commandline
[02:22] <intelikey> thev sudo mount -a
[02:22] <intelikey> thev that will mount anything not mounted.
[02:23] <thev> what if it's already mounted and I changed it's parameters in fstab?
[02:23] <intelikey> thev if you have changed a mountpoint or something like that,  you'll have to umount it first.
[02:23] <thev> ok, cool
[02:23] <thev> thanks
[02:24] <jarn> intelikey: Naw, that's not what I wanted, but thanks anyway.
[02:24] <intelikey> thev sudo umount /dev/device   or sudo umount /mount/point
[02:24] <intelikey> jarn i told you it probably wasn't.   it's not formated.   i.e. one listing per line.
[02:25] <thev> Ok, fstab params are the same, permissions are the same, samba permissions are the same - what could be blocking one mount from not working and the other working fine?
[02:26] <intelikey> if you want it formated sed can help with that. also adding colour coding to the listings is a bit more tricky.
[02:26] <intelikey> thev missing / in fstab ?
[02:27] <thev> intelikey - the mount point mounts fine - I can access it from the Linux box, the windows box can't open it though
[02:27] <thev> and it can open other mounts i have set up
[02:27] <khaije1> i've been wondering about this for years... where can i get descent for linux?
[02:27] <intelikey> jarn what exactly is the point to the execrise in futility ?
[02:28] <thev> subfolders on the non working mount have no access either
[02:28] <thev> seems like it must be a permission problem?
[02:28] <jarn> intelikey: It's not important enough to me to do things involving scripts. It makes it easier to read but I'm not going to bother with it if it's harder than adding a flag.
[02:29] <DaSkreech> khaije1: d2ljx I think
[02:29] <intelikey> thev yes. seems like.   but i've never set up a samba mess...
[02:29] <intelikey> jarn you do have colour coding in the ls command...
[02:30] <jarn> intelikey: Eh?
[02:30] <jarn> intelikey: I know.
[02:30] <thev> gargghhhh
[02:30] <jarn> intelikey: What are you talking about?
[02:30] <intelikey> alias ls="ls --colour=auto"
[02:30] <jarn> I know.
[02:30] <DaSkreech> it makes directories stand out
[02:30] <intelikey> or is it color
[02:30] <khaije1> DaSkreech: is that something i should google or apt-get?
[02:30] <intelikey> anyway.
[02:31] <khaije1> DaSkreech: i was always a little confused about that b/c i thought it would gpl'd at some point but still hard to find
[02:31] <DaSkreech> khaije1: d2x-xl is the proper name
[02:32] <nando_> holas!!
[02:32] <nando_> :D:D
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Ju!
[02:33] <Mena> cpk1, what is the fuction of bchunk i cant use i open the option to choose what to choose to extrcat or open the file
[02:34] <intelikey> jarn ok. do this.     for Q in * ;do [ -d "$Q" ]  && DIRS="$DIRS $Q" || FILES="$FILES $Q" ;done ;ls -d $DIRS ;ls $FILES ;DIRS= ;FILES=
[02:34] <intelikey> jarn   you could make that an alias.
[02:34] <Jucato> Da!
[02:35] <DaSkreech> intelikey: can you alias an option?
[02:35] <DaSkreech> like ls -DD to that script?
[02:35] <intelikey> oh function
[02:35] <intelikey> not alias.   function
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah Functions can do that
[02:35] <khaije1> clear
[02:35] <kiersie> who has feisty?
[02:36] <khaije1> oops...
[02:36] <jarn> intelikey: That displays more than I need to. It displays upper directories too, which is unnecessary. And it's really not that big of a deal to me.
[02:36] <kiersie> i cannot update
[02:36] <khaije1> DaSkreech: thx for the info
[02:36] <kiersie> debconf on kubuntu
[02:36] <kiersie> incorrect nice value
[02:36] <DaSkreech> kiersie: try in #ubuntu+1
[02:36] <intelikey> in .bashrc   function dir {for Q in * ;do [ -d "$Q" ]  && DIRS="$DIRS $Q" || FILES="$FILES $Q" ;done ;ls -d $DIRS ;ls $FILES ;DIRS= ;FILES=}
[02:36] <DaSkreech> khaije1: found something?
[02:36] <tuco> Hi Intel!
[02:37] <intelikey> tuco
[02:37] <tuco> Managed to get the updates working
[02:37] <khaije1> DaSkreech: just a website... hard to know what to make of it all...
[02:37] <tuco> Basically I had to set up the wireless connection manually. Problem od DNS.
[02:38] <underdog5004> I'm having trouble getting my IBM thinkpad R31 online through wireless. I have an Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 WaveLan chipset (rev 01), but it looks like it's being detected as a wired connection.
[02:39] <kiersie> sorry
[02:39] <tuco> But right now I need to download and install the ati drivers so I can have a resolution of 1280x800, and get the audigy drivers too. Any help welcome :-)
[02:39] <DaSkreech> kiersie: No problem
[02:40] <SolidSource> ok, got azureus running, now trying to get the Web UI working. I have already opended the ports and such, but nothing loading on my other machine. ideas?
 intelikey: That displays more than I need to. It displays upper directories too, <<<   ?
[02:41] <jarn> It displays the contents of upper-level directories.
[02:41] <jarn> Like, for example, when run in ~/winestuff it displays the contents of winestuff and ~
[02:42] <Mena> cpk1, sorry i had a something wrong thanks again
[02:42] <intelikey> what do you mean ?    it doesn't do that for me.
[02:42] <Mena> cpk1, :D :)
[02:42] <ReturnToZero> Bonne nuit a tous :x:x:x:x:x:x
[02:42] <intelikey> jarn you have to use it only in the dir you want to see.  you can't use it with a path.
[02:42] <matadio> Is there a bootdisk available so I can run the install CD?
[02:43] <jarn> intelikey: I didn't.
[02:43] <jarn> intelikey: I ran it in that directory.
[02:43] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  cd Desktop/
[02:43] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~/Desktop]  dir
[02:43] <intelikey> .
[02:43] <intelikey> ?
[02:43] <DaSkreech> can ark do volumes in creation?
[02:43] <tuco> Anyone can help me with Ati drivers and Audigy please?
[02:43] <Kite_DH> need help
[02:43] <Kite_DH> need help
[02:43] <Kite_DH> sry
[02:43] <Kite_DH> erm
[02:44] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~/Desktop]  cd /
[02:44] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@/]  dir
[02:44] <intelikey> bin   dev    etc   lib         mnt   root  sys  usr
[02:44] <Kite_DH> i want to know how to install my webcam, its a "T-Com PC-30"
[02:44] <intelikey> and friends that i didn't post
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  google for that web cam to see even if its supported at all.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  not all web cams have linux support.
[02:44] <jarn> intelikey: Well, I have to go. Thanks for helping me.
[02:45] <Dr_willis> tuco,  follow the !ati   wiki/page yet?
[02:45] <Dr_willis> !ati
[02:45] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:45] <intelikey> jarn np
[02:45] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[02:45] <Kite_DH> im gonna buy one with support then,easy
[02:45] <Dr_willis> Finding the one to buy.. can be the issue
[02:45] <Kite_DH> naaw, amazon is my hero
[02:45] <Kite_DH> lol
[02:46] <Dr_willis> theres a few linux web cam sites.. but i dont mess with the things
[02:46] <Kite_DH> hehe
[02:46] <Kite_DH> you see, i got kubuntu edgy for 3 days now
[02:47] <Kite_DH> and my sister wants her webcam on it again
[02:47] <Kite_DH> we had win XP b4
[02:47] <Dr_willis> learn the FUNdamentals.
[02:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:47] <Kite_DH> i tested around a bit with the terminal
[02:47] <Kite_DH> and stuff
[02:48] <Kite_DH> i love linux
[02:48] <Kite_DH> but my sister doesnt come around with it
[02:48] <Kite_DH> and my mother
[02:48] <Kite_DH> :(
[02:48] <Kite_DH> we only have 1 pc, thats the prob
[02:49] <Dr_willis> live cd's are handy to learn with also.
[02:49] <Dr_willis> and can save your backside
[02:49] <Kite_DH> yes, it was a live CD
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: Which webcam?
[02:49] <Kite_DH> then i installed it
[02:49] <Kite_DH> T-Com PC-30
[02:49] <Kite_DH> is the name
[02:49] <Kite_DH> its not in the hardware support
[02:50] <Kite_DH> you dont have to check :)
[02:51] <tjz> skreech sup
[02:51] <Kite_DH> question
[02:52] <Kite_DH> how can i upgrade my KDE?
[02:52] <Dr_willis> upgrade to what?
[02:52] <Kite_DH> from 3.5.4 to 3.5.6?
[02:52] <Jucato> Kite_DH: are you on Dapper or Edgy?
[02:52] <Kite_DH> edgy
[02:52] <Kite_DH> 6.10
[02:52] <Kite_DH> if thats right
[02:52] <Jucato> Kite_DH: http://kubuntu.org
[02:52] <Dr_willis> dont bother upgrading to 3.5.6
[02:52] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[02:52] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:52] <Dr_willis> and let it update as needed
[02:53] <Kite_DH> should i type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" to the terminal?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  where else can ya type it at? :)
[02:53] <Kite_DH> no idea :/
[02:53] <Dr_willis> fundamentals man.. fundamentals. :)
[02:53] <Dr_willis> !terminal
[02:53] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[02:53] <Dr_willis> you type commands in th terminal correct...
[02:54] <DaSkreech> tjz: Hey hey
[02:54] <Jucato> Kite_DH: you can get the KDE 3.5.6 repository from the kubuntu.org site
[02:54] <Dr_willis> ive had a lot of issues after i upgraded to 3.5.6
[02:54] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: alt+F2 :)
[02:54] <intelikey> well i think i perfected the requested sorting of dirrectories first in ls   anyone want to see it ???
[02:54] <SolidSource> anyone know how to bypass ISP port blocking? tried a few tuts and no luck?
[02:54] <Kite_DH> what issues
[02:54] <Dr_willis> so id advise worrying about it at this time.
[02:54] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Sure
[02:54] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/raw/362816
[02:54] <Dr_willis> since you dont really gain any features.. its mainly bug fix's
[02:54] <Kite_DH> update is done already
[02:54] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: you have? Been smooth sailing for me since after I managed to get the update ......
[02:55] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  i got a lot of -dev packages that wont install now.. and the automounting of media seems totally messed up
[02:55] <underdog5004> I hate GNOME so much...it's on the R31 lappy that I'm working on...and it's so dumb. Terminal is listed under Accesories, for goodness sake!
[02:55] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: As far as I've seen, the automounting has never worked the way it should for me ...
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Neat
[02:56] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  for me the thing pops up a window asking to 'show the contents' then it shows /var/somthing/somthing - thats totally wrong. :)
[02:56] <dwidmann> I had a lot of packages that were utterly broken, had to fetch the source and build it myself because the packages weren't even in the repo ...
[02:56] <intelikey> DaSkreech i only tested on ~ / /usr /bin /var/cache/apt   worked correctly each time.
[02:57] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: i heared that there is a Kubuntu 7.04 alpha out, if it comes out fully, can the people who have edgy update to feisty herd?
[02:57] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: You can do it now
[02:57] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  i never bother to 'upgrade' i keep /home on its own partition. and do a clean new install.
[02:57] <tuco> not sure if my ati manipulation worked.
[02:58] <tuco> What do I have to choose guys, fbdev or fglrx?
[02:58] <Dr_willis> fglrx is for most ati cards
[02:58] <Dr_willis> fbdev is not that commonly used.
[02:59] <Kite_DH> DaSkreech: i followed the instructions of kubuntu.org, and now i got 3.5.5 ....should i have 3.5.6??
[02:59] <dwidmann> Kite_DH: you could have done it right away really, soon as edgy was released ... it would have been identicle to Edgy at that point though
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: No idea
[03:00] <DaSkreech> Wasn't following your conversation
[03:00] <intelikey> more manipulative manipulations of the manipulator   by tuco tuco tuco      :)
[03:00] <Dr_willis> you need to logout and relogin to get the newest kde.
[03:00] <Kite_DH> wait then
[03:00] <Dr_willis> since you are using what you just updated. :)
[03:00] <tuco> I try my best Intel :-)
[03:01] <dwidmann> Kiteyou'll need to log out then log back in
[03:01] <eric_> should i get the free or non-free version of unrar?
[03:02] <tuco> So I go to configure and there is:detected graphics card fbdev...in the list of cards however there fglrx?
[03:02] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: i still got 3.5.5
[03:02] <dwidmann> eric_: the non-free is more capable, but it's well, non-free. Take your pick
[03:02] <tuco> standard or proprietary?
[03:03] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Nethack!
[03:03] <Mena> what is the plugin to open a .dat file in video
[03:03] <intelikey> DaSkreech na just the battle of wesnoth this time.
[03:03] <DaSkreech> Wesnoth!!!
[03:04] <DaSkreech> Which version?
[03:04] <intelikey> hmm ?
[03:04] <intelikey> Battle for Wesnoth v1.0.2
[03:04] <eric_> dwidmann: ok thanks
[03:04] <intelikey> was in the repos
[03:04] <underdog5004> it is so much slower here in #kubuntu...as opposed to #ubuntu
[03:05] <intelikey> DaSkreech 2.0 is out  but i'm not that interested in updating
[03:06] <intelikey> it's too         one dimentional   for me.
[03:06] <DaSkreech> !info wesnoth feisty
[03:06] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2-1 (feisty), package size 1919 kB, installed size 4348 kB
[03:06] <jmichaelx> have others been having any issues with amarok 1.4.5 crashing?
[03:06] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: stable as a rock for me
[03:07] <intelikey> DaSkreech kolf is one of the better linux games that will run on "`OLD'" hardware.
[03:07] <tuco> Ooooooooooooooooh yes I did it :-)
[03:07] <tuco> 1280x800!!! Yeaaaaaaaaaah
[03:07] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: i have installed it on 3 machines here at home, and on a friends.... and it has been less than stable on all of them
[03:07] <DaSkreech> intelikey: I remember that game being very frustrating
[03:07] <intelikey> kolf ?
[03:08] <intelikey> he wouldn't be any good if it was too easy...
[03:08] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: what type of files, what audio backend, what database backend, where are the files located?
[03:08] <coreymon77> jhutchins: are you around?
[03:09] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: that varied on each machine. often amarok crashes when a machine first boots up
[03:09] <jmichaelx> varies*
[03:09] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: where do i have to write this in "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356 edgy main" ??
[03:09] <jmichaelx> i should say that on my laptop, amarok 1.4.5 has had no issues
[03:09] <dwidmann> I've been using Ogg/Xine/Sqlite3/"/home" and it has never crashed, not even once, since the upgrade to 1.4.5
[03:10] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: that is insteresting because amarok had never crashed for me in the past..... with any version until this one
[03:10] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  thats a apt  source entry.
[03:10] <DaSkreech> intelikey: could never pass like round 3 or 5
[03:10] <jmichaelx> i am playing mp3s
[03:10] <Dr_willis> !apt-get
[03:10] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:11] <Dr_willis> it goes in ---->  /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:11] <justin1278> hello
[03:11] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: I've made it crash before, plus the database scanning always "needed work" before (only worked half the time after upgrades, etc), I even ran into a doozy of a memory leak a couple of times
[03:11] <dwidmann> Less than perfect, but still the best that there is.
[03:11] <eric_> how would I make the icons smaller on the deskop?
[03:11] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: all of these machines are playing MP3s and using amarok-xine... some with music from home dirs, and one from an external HD
[03:12] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: hmm... i am thinking about just trying a 'remove --purge' on the machine having this issue, and reinstalling fresh
[03:12] <dwidmann> jmichaelx: not a bad idea really
[03:12] <jmichaelx> machines*
[03:13] <[Marvin] > Hm, kopete keeps crashing on me in the middle of conversations for no apparent reason. Anyone got any idea what could be wrong?
[03:13] <dwidmann> hopefully it'll help ... if not, bug reports :)
[03:13] <jmichaelx> dwidmann: i need to be more faithful with bug reports anyways :-D
[03:14] <justin1278> I am having issues with my applets, they are all over in different places in my taskbar and I am not sure how to put them back to the way they were.
[03:14] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: can u help me with this---> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  upgrading to  the lastst kde is NOT worth the effort.
[03:15] <jmichaelx> i got a good friend to install kubuntu on an old machine, and he just called me telling me that amarok crashed on his PC.... crashed the whole system. he says he has rebooted several times, and has no panel in KDE anymore. very weird
[03:15] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: ok
[03:15] <jmichaelx> he has no linux experience
[03:15] <Kite_DH> me?
[03:15] <Kite_DH> i dont..thats right
[03:15] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: I thought it was, fixed a few annoying bugs ...
[03:15] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  if you 'must' you do the first 2 commands that site shows.. then add one of the sources.list entry to your  sources.list file
[03:15] <Dr_willis> then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.
[03:16] <DaSkreech> [Marvin] : Kopete needs help?
[03:16] <tuco> guys what are the drivers required for an audigy 2 card?
[03:16] <piro> jmichaelx: tell him to press esc on the reboot to get into grub and try one of the kernel recovery modes
[03:16] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: How old a machine?
[03:16] <piro> funny though, you wont get him to stop saying that linux sucks after that experience
[03:17] <[Marvin] > DaSkreech: dunno...it seems like a pretty serious bug...and I figure someone else than me has experienced it...
[03:17] <jmichaelx> piro: what will that do? will just booting into recovery mode one time possibly fix things?
[03:17] <piro> works for me when my crap takes a crap
[03:17] <DaSkreech> I haven't but I can still pretty much get kopete to crash on demand.
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Which reminds me I should patch it
[03:17] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: the machine is fine, 800Mhz 256MB RAM
[03:17] <justin1278> my applets have gotten all messed up, does somebody know how I can move them back?
[03:18] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i have one just like it running slackware with no issues
[03:18] <piro> i can at least get into x after doing that so thats why i threw that out
[03:18] <Jucato> justin1278: which applets?
[03:18] <justin1278> Jucato: the applets in the taskbar
[03:18] <jmichaelx> piro: ty, i'll have him try that
[03:18] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: I would suspect that slackware is lighter than kubuntu
[03:19] <justin1278> Jucato: I accidently deleted one and was trying to put it back where it was and ended up messing them all up
[03:19] <Jucato> justin1278: when you hover over those applets, you should be able to see the applet handles that you can grab and drag around
[03:19] <DaSkreech> I could be wrong :) but that's what I suspect
[03:19] <tuco> No one knows for the audigy/1/2 drivers?
[03:19] <justin1278> Jucato: Oh ok, I made the handles invisible, thats why I can't see them.
[03:19] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: you can work out a pretty light install with ubuntu/debian
[03:19] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: no doubt about that, but.... i used to run kubuntu on a 500Mhz machine, and it worked fine (no one believes me when i tell them that)
[03:19] <Dr_willis> tuco,  whats to know? Mine has always worked fine with no twiddling needed
[03:19] <Jucato> justin1278: make them visible!! hehehe ;)
[03:19] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: Yeah but you have to think about it
[03:19] <justin1278> Jucato: Lol
[03:20] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: trick is to start off with the text instsall, and build from there
[03:20] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: I beleive you I did it with edubuntu and that runs a TLS
[03:20] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: i don't think it is the machine
[03:20] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: kool
[03:20] <tuco> I don't know how to have my audigy 2 notebook recognized, or to show up Willis
[03:20] <justin1278> Jucato: Ok all fixed lol
[03:20] <Dr_willis> audigy 2 notebook? what the heck is that.
[03:20] <Kite_DH> hmm still 3.5.5 but doesnt matter now =/
[03:20] <Jucato> justin1278: good :)
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: Chill till Feisty
[03:21] <DaSkreech>  then you can have the problem of dist-upgrading to KDE4 :)
[03:21] <justin1278> Jucato: Thanks :-)
[03:21] <Kite_DH> DaSkreech: yup...so..you said edgy users can upgrade to Feisty right?
[03:21] <tuco> just an audigy 2 zs Willis
[03:21] <piro> kde4 out at all?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[03:21] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[03:22] <Kite_DH> DaSkreech: can you stay always up to date?
[03:22] <tuco> basically same as for audigy 1
[03:22] <Kite_DH> oh, ok
[03:22] <DaSkreech> Kite_DH: up to you
[03:22] <tuco> emu10k1 I guess
[03:22] <dwidmann> piro, well, there are development snapshots in the edgy repos
[03:22] <Dr_willis> tuco,  my audigy 2zs pci card works great.. i dident have to do anything with it -  what specific problem you having?
[03:22] <piro> ic dwidmann thanks, was just wondering
[03:22] <DaSkreech> When I was running on Breezy before it came out I'd update a package and before it was installed there would be a new one on the server
[03:22] <dwidmann> They'll read something more like 3.8 though
[03:23] <tuco> right now it seems that it is the onboard sound working and not the audigy
[03:23] <Dr_willis> tuco,  NOW you are gtting to the actual problem...
[03:23] <tuco> :-)
[03:23] <Dr_willis> tuco,  been best to disable the onboard card befor you installed..
[03:23] <dwidmann> tuco: easiest fix = disable the onboard in BIOS
[03:23] <tuco> it's a laptop!
[03:23] <Dr_willis> then check out the !alsa page i guess
[03:24] <Dr_willis> HOW are you having 2 sound cards in a laptop?
[03:24] <tuco> can't do it in the bios
[03:24] <Dr_willis> it has some pci slot? :)
[03:24] <tuco> onboard sound and pci slot
[03:24] <dwidmann> Well, you could blacklist the onboard pretty easily
[03:24] <Schuenemann> I keep getting an alert box with this error message: Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting
[03:24] <Schuenemann> what might that be?
[03:24] <tuco> how come Mann?
[03:24] <Dr_willis> thats got to be the first laptop ive seen with a pci slot then.. or are you refering to a pc-card (pcmcia) slot?
[03:24] <tuco> pcmia dude
[03:25] <tuco> the card thingy
[03:25] <fudgey> hey theres an error with my installation
[03:25] <Dr_willis> thats a totally different beast then.
[03:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:25] <Dr_willis> id have to say hit the google and see if its even supported.
[03:25] <Dr_willis> it may be a  Audigy in name only.
[03:25] <fudgey> gdm failed to start
[03:25] <dwidmann> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist - add a line that looks like "blacklist modname", where modname is the name of the module you want to blacklist (the one the onboard card loads) and reboot.
[03:25] <tuco> I had it to work fine under kubuntu once but forgot how to do it
[03:25] <Dr_willis> tuco,  thats a good sign then.. :) it pays to take notes. heh heh
[03:26] <tuco> is there something like a sound board...equalizer?
[03:26] <Dr_willis> thers various sound mixers
[03:26] <tuco> I remember one
[03:26] <tuco> a one where you can set the volume for each channel,etc?
[03:27] <dwidmann> kmix?
[03:27] <Dr_willis> see the little speaker on the panel?
[03:27] <Dr_willis> right click on it. :)
[03:27] <bitbyte> i installed Mandriva 2007 on the same bax that already had kubuntu 6.10. But mandriva didn't put kubuntu in the list for the bootlaoder, can someone help me add it so i can still use kubuntu?
[03:27] <mshade> alsamixer
[03:27] <Dr_willis> or is it a normal click..
[03:27] <mshade> kmix
[03:27] <Schuenemann> I keep getting an alert box with this error message: "Sound server fatal error: cpu overload, aborting". What could that be?
[03:27] <tuco> yes it did it...silly me :-)
[03:27] <BluesKaj> no eq required there, just a balance ctrl
[03:27] <tuco> 2.30 am sorry I start losing my senses
[03:27] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  is mandriva using LILO or GRUB?
[03:28] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: middle click works even better
[03:28] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, it was using lilo, but i changed it to grub
[03:28] <bitbyte> i can do either one
[03:28] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: +1
[03:28] <Schuenemann> I can't believe I'm the only one around with that problem :)
[03:28] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  look on the /boot/ dir on the ubuntu system and its grub/menu.lst - from that file figure out what you need to copy over to the mandrivas grubs menu.lst file
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Happens to me all the time
[03:28] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: I've gotten t hat before, but I don't know why I did.
[03:29] <dwidmann> And I don't know how I got it to go away
[03:29] <bitbyte> Dr_willis i cant boot to the ubuntu system
[03:29] <Schuenemann> the sound works, though
[03:29] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  MOUNT the ubuntu drive...
[03:29] <SolidSource> trying to get konqueror to go clear...anyone know the color code?
[03:29] <tuco> Nope you have another Mann around Schue...there is Dwid :-)
[03:29] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:29] <dwidmann> I remember it started popping up when I was playing in BIOS, and fiddling with overclocking, and hte like
[03:29] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  you dont need to be running it.. just look at the files on it.
[03:29] <bitbyte> k
[03:29] <bitbyte> let me try to do that
[03:29] <Schuenemann> dwidmann, I just installed edgy and I get that
[03:29] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech, doesn't it piss you off?
[03:29] <tuco> arf can't install firefox!
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Schuenemann: Yup
[03:30] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:30] <bitbyte> ok done
[03:30] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech, what are you gonna do about that?
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Ignore it
[03:30] <DaSkreech> Works with all the rest of my life's problems
[03:30] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[03:30] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:30] <Schuenemann> I can't... system gets very slow when it's about to pop
[03:31] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: Well said :D works for mine too
[03:31] <flaccid0es> i still find it ironic that with the kubuntu homepage for firefox you click on LTS and you get a 404
[03:31] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:31] <tuco> Well I guess I have enough for tonight. Thanks for your help Kubuntu crowd always helpful :-)
[03:31] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Well if it pops up twice in five minutes I just restart teh sound server
[03:31] <fudgey> on my old imac gnome failed to start on my live cd install
[03:31] <flaccid0es> a great example of the lack of testing in *ubuntu
[03:31] <DaSkreech> But normally it comes from me playing three sound streams at teh same time
[03:31] <flaccid0es> amongst other things
[03:31] <BluesKaj> fudgey, stop repeating pls
[03:32] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: firefox is not a KDE app
[03:32] <jmichaelx> fudgey: relax.... if someone knows something, they will respond
[03:32] <fudgey> im just reposting
[03:32] <flaccid0es> DaSkreech: i didn't say it was
[03:32] <Schuenemann> wait for more time to repost again
[03:32] <dwidmann> fudgey: why would you want gnome to start anyway ;)
[03:32] <fudgey> okie
[03:32] <fudgey> cuz nothign else works
[03:32] <flaccid0es> the homepage is "About Kubuntu" and has kubuntu artwork
[03:32] <fudgey> theres no kdm
[03:32] <flaccid0es> so tell me where the problem is? :p
[03:32] <dwidmann> no?
[03:32] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: Feisty is planned to have a firefox specific front page
[03:32] <fudgey> live cd only installs kdm!
[03:32] <jmichaelx> fudgey: i assume you are using a PPC version of ubuntu?
[03:32] <fudgey> yeah
[03:33] <fudgey> fucking ppc
[03:33] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: It works fine in Konqueror is where the problem is
[03:33] <flaccid0es> DaSkreech: where did this kubuntu start page come from then if one doesn't exist ?
[03:33] <bitbyte> Dr_willis so once i edit the grub list, do i need to do anything more to it?
[03:33] <DaSkreech>  Firefox does not ship with Kubuntu and probably never will
[03:33] <dwidmann> fudgey: ctrl + alt + f1 - startx :)
[03:33] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: It's from Konqueror and it works fine there
[03:33] <flaccid0es> its a 404, you get the same thing in konq: file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html
[03:33] <fudgey> let me try
[03:33] <fudgey> if not il be back
[03:33] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: It breaks in Konqueror for you?
[03:33] <DaSkreech> What did you do?
[03:33] <flaccid0es> yes a 404 is the same for all browsers
[03:33] <jmichaelx> maybe an iceweasel someday will ship with it
[03:34] <flaccid0es> i did nothing
[03:34] <jmichaelx> :-D
[03:34] <dwidmann> that didn't 404 for me
[03:34] <Jucato> flaccid0es: it's a bug
[03:34] <flaccid0es> this is dapper install. others have confirmed in the past the same thing
[03:34] <flaccid0es> a but that is still not yet fixed
[03:34] <flaccid0es> bug
[03:34] <dwidmann> oh, dapper . ...
[03:34] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  nope.. grub dosent need to be reran - like lilo does
[03:34] <fudgey> nope
[03:34] <flaccid0es> yes dapper is LTS ?
[03:34] <dwidmann> flaccid0es: don't count on any bugfixes in dapper, only security fixes
[03:34] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: What are the steps that you took?
[03:34] <flaccid0es> no steps
[03:35] <flaccid0es> ok so like where can i read about the LTS policy?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> firefox is the best man invention after the gunpownder
[03:35] <bitbyte> ok Dr_willis, so all i need to do it take the stuff from the ubuntu one and put it in the mdv one?
[03:35] <flaccid0es> seriously guys, i would like to read about TLS
[03:36] <flaccid0es> err LTS
[03:36] <DaSkreech> !lts
[03:36] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  it may be a bit more detaled then that.. but thats the gist of it.. grub has a lot of little things to watch out for.. but thats how i normally do it.
[03:36] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[03:36] <Dr_willis> bitbyte,  you just need the proper grub 'stanza' for the ubuntu booting.. NOT the whole file. :)
[03:36] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, if i had mandriva on this box first and isntalled kubuntu, would it pick up the madriva installation?
[03:36] <flaccid0es> no IT manager would choose a product with 1 line explanation of support :)
[03:37] <flaccid0es> heh define support?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> !support
[03:37] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, yeah, i know not the whole thing, just the part for the kubutnu boot
[03:37] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support For IRC support, join #ubuntu / #kubuntu / #xubuntu etc
[03:37] <Dr_willis> flaccid0es,  i was about to ask that.. :)
[03:37] <flaccid0es> i've been here for ages
[03:37] <flaccid0es> its still a mystery!!!
[03:37] <fudgey> whats the command to install by text on the live cd?
[03:37] <flaccid0es> oh i don't want paid support, i want to read about the LTS policy and what it gives me
[03:37] <flaccid0es> seems like its a load of BS
[03:38] <fudgey> oh thanks dwidmann
[03:38] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: They will have security updates for 5 years
[03:39] <jmichaelx> the whole LTS thing is intended more (at least i always thought) for businesses , atc, that would be using paid supprt
[03:39] <DaSkreech> for server packages
[03:39] <jmichaelx> etc*
[03:39] <fudgey> whats the command to install by text on the live cd?
[03:39] <dwidmann> if you want to do a text mode install you need the alternate cd
[03:39] <flaccid0es> can i read about this, or just accept hearsay?
[03:39] <flaccid0es> no IT manager will accept a comment on IRC for support
[03:39] <bitbyte> the text installer is only on the alternate cd or the dvd afaik fudgey
[03:40] <crazy_bus> Amarok isn't working I'm getting this error: "There is a bug in Amarok: instead of destroying your valuable database tables, I'm quitting"
[03:40] <Jucato> flaccid0es: https://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.html#lts
[03:40] <fudgey> aw crap
[03:40] <fudgey> so I gotta dl another cd?
[03:40] <fudgey> well if gdm will not start on my imac what else will...
[03:40] <dwidmann> xdm?
[03:40] <DaSkreech> !ppc
[03:40] <ubotu> ppc is PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers, and now a fully supported Ubuntu architecture.
[03:41] <fudgey> xdm?
[03:41] <jmichaelx> PPC = soon to be not so fully supprted by ubuntu
[03:41] <flaccid0es> Jucato: it says i get other updates, what are they? it also says quality assurance - to what extent?
[03:41] <dwidmann> fudgey, apart from that, I saw a really interesting way to do autologin without using a login manager, it looked cool
[03:41] <fudgey> LOL
[03:41] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: but but ps3...
[03:41] <Dr_willis> Yep.. time to go to YellowDog Linux for PPC stuff
[03:41] <Jucato> flaccid0es: security/bugfixes updates. not version updates
[03:41] <jmichaelx> PS3 uses PPC?
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Yup
[03:41] <dwidmann> fudgey: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=152274
[03:41] <Solaris444> yes.
[03:41] <Dr_willis> it uses a CELL processor thats a ppc variant
[03:41] <DaSkreech> read teh PPC argument on teh wiki :)
[03:41] <jmichaelx> i had no idea lol
[03:42] <Solaris444> well Cell is a PPC variant.
[03:42] <Solaris444> er what willis said.
[03:42] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:42] <Dr_willis> and i dont even own one..
[03:42] <flaccid0es> Jucato: why is that not detailed in the document. why is the document so hard to get to and why is quality assurance not defined. if i was quality assured, i wouldn't have to worry about bugs...
[03:42] <fudgey> awesome
[03:42] <Dr_willis> nor do i EVER plan on getting a ps3
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Fluxbuntu is trying to be a ppc/PS3 Distro but the last time I heard about fluxbuntu was .. well that article actually
[03:42] <dwidmann> I plan on getting one when the price becomes reasonable
[03:42] <Solaris444> Guys, I was just wondering.  Is it possible to make samba on kubuntu save my login credentials for a network share?
[03:43] <whiz2> I'm trying to configure vncserver anybody have any experience in it?
[03:43] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: No software is bug free
[03:43] <SolidSource> Solaris444: yes
[03:43] <Dr_willis> vnc - is very handy.
[03:43] <Jucato> flaccid0es: 0 bugs is a technical impossibility, even with closed source software.
[03:43] <DaSkreech> flaccid0es: If anyone assures you about that ..
[03:43] <flaccid0es> DaSkreech: i never said it was farken!
[03:43] <Solaris444> SolidSource: How would I do that?
[03:43] <Dr_willis> vnc also has a dozen variants and all sorts of little tricks and traps.
[03:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:43] <dwidmann> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_processor
[03:43] <flaccid0es> you guys just don't get it
[03:43] <Jucato> flaccid0es: I'd suggest you also ask in #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel
[03:43] <flaccid0es> you are assuring quality to the public
[03:43] <Dr_willis> 0 bugs = all comments :)
[03:43] <flaccid0es> and not delivering....
[03:43] <flaccid0es> Jucato: i don't think i'll waste my time :)
[03:44] <jmichaelx> flaccid0es: what are you carrying on about?
[03:44] <flaccid0es> why assure something, you cannot assure....
[03:44] <DaSkreech> a 404 on a software that you installed is not quality assurance?
[03:44] <flaccid0es> sounds like commercial bull to me
[03:44] <Jucato> flaccid0es: so it's more worthwhile to rant about not having documentation on these, etc. and it's a waste of time asking people who would know more about these stuff?
[03:44] <whiz2> vncserver specifically
[03:44] <flaccid0es> well yes if it was quality, it wouldn't have a 404
[03:44] <BluesKaj> whaddya want for free ... if ya don't like linux , get vista ...see how debgged it is :)
[03:44] <jmichaelx> flaccid0es: you got a free OS with a guarantee of long term security updates
[03:45] <flaccid0es> if people don't complain, how will things change?
[03:45] <Jucato> flaccid0es: your concept of quality seems to be based on "perfect/no errors"
[03:45] <SolidSource> Solaris444: well, your host machine has to have the profile with the exact same username/passsword and then use smbpasswd to declare that user is allowed that access in samba
[03:45] <DaSkreech> but you installed it. It wasn't intended to be there when it shipped
[03:45] <flaccid0es> but i also get quality assurance
[03:45] <Jucato> flaccid0es: you are complaining to the wrong people tthough
[03:45] <flaccid0es> whatever the f*** that is
[03:45] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  theres several variants of vncserver. i tend to use the 'vnc4server' and clients
[03:45] <dwidmann> that was already fixed for the "Edgy Eft" release by the looks of things flaccid0es
[03:45] <flaccid0es> Jucato: its not defined any other way
[03:45] <whiz2> i'm trying to use vnc to access a linux server from a win32 client
[03:46] <Jucato> so it's more worthwhile to rant in the wrong place than ask in the right place?
[03:46] <DaSkreech> BSD fan I take it :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  i normally ssh to the linux box, run vncserver as the user.. then run the vncslient on the windows box and connect to the linux machine.
[03:46] <SolidSource> Solaris444: so if your username = RedBurn and password = money34...then each machine would have to have that exact same in order not to be asked for a password
[03:46] <Solaris444> Right.
[03:46] <whiz2> ok, but i dunno how to do any of that
[03:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  that gives you a 'desktop in the background' :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  which part? its rather straight forward..
[03:46] <Solaris444> But I don't have to log in as that user right?
[03:47] <whiz2> can i controll the linux box from the win32 client cmputer?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  vnc can show you a 'desktop' in a window.. correct..
[03:47] <whiz2> What do I install, where do i put it, and how do i configure it?
[03:47] <Dr_willis> vnc on linux can also have several 'background' desktops that are not seen by anyone sitting in front of the linux box
[03:47] <Dr_willis> !vnc
[03:47] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[03:47] <SolidSource> Solaris444: on the guest machine you do...unless you are given the option to save your username/password on the guest machine
[03:48] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  this is on a local lan? or over the internet?
[03:48] <whiz2> both
[03:48] <Solaris444> thanks SolidSource.  I'll have to find some other way then because we cannot afford for the user of the machine to know the username and password for that share.
[03:49] <Solaris444> Hmm, perhaps I can do it on the server side.
[03:49] <Solaris444> I'll look into it.
[03:49] <whiz2> local right now, but want to have access over the internet as well
[03:49] <Dr_willis> locally is trivial.. over internet; vnc is not that secure.. thius the mention of OverSSH in that url.
[03:49] <Dr_willis> you can even use vnc and have a desktop on the desktop in a window. :)
[03:49] <Dr_willis> all locally
[03:49] <Schuenemann> DaSkreech, appearently I got rid of that message
[03:50] <Dr_willis> in a winow, with a desktop in a window... ect.. heh heh
[03:50] <Schuenemann> I unchecked "enable sound server"
[03:50] <Dr_willis> OR ya can use vnc to share the currently running desktop (but i never do it that way)
[03:50] <Schuenemann> !wma
[03:50] <SolidSource> Solaris444: well, I have it setup sort of like that...but I have another user account setup so that ppl can login, but only if I give them the login info...then it has rotating password
[03:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:50] <Solaris444> thankyou for your help SolidSource.  This is the first KUbuntu desktop I have set up.
[03:50] <dwidmann> Schuenemann: the sound server doesn't seem that important anymore anyway ... AFAIK it's being/has been dropped in KDE4
[03:51] <Solaris444> It isn't bad.  I prefer SuSE, but it is a bit heavy on resources.
[03:51] <whiz2> I have VNC server/viewer running on my win32 platform right now and that's how I'm talking to you... I'm connected to it over the internet
[03:51] <Solaris444> This is a PIII 667MHz.
[03:51] <yamathan> Well, it's official -- my Windows installation is dead.
[03:51] <Schuenemann> dwidmann, I don't even know what it is for, since the sound works without it :)
[03:51] <Solaris444> Kubuntu runs very nicely on it.
[03:51] <SolidSource> Solaris444: well if this help...this is what I followed to setup samba http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_Samba_Server_for_files.2Ffolders_sharing_service
[03:51] <whiz2> I want to be able to do this to the linux box as well
[03:51] <yamathan> My NTFS partition isn't showing up now, though!
[03:51] <Schuenemann> maybe dapper comes without it, since I never got that message before?
[03:51] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  install vnc4server  then. or some other vncserver
[03:51] <Dr_willis> !info vnc4server
[03:51] <ubotu> vnc4server: Virtual network computing server software. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.1.1+xorg1.0.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (edgy), package size 1041 kB, installed size 2412 kB
[03:51] <yamathan> Is there any way that I could still back up my files from the NTFS partition that no longer seems to function for Windows?
[03:51] <whiz2> i ran apt-get install vncserver
[03:52] <whiz2> that package is installed, but I have no clue how to configure it
[03:52] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  or if you want to share the currently running desktop.. thers some other way to do that.
[03:52] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  run 'vncserver' from the shell...
[03:52] <whiz2> I want to be able to share the whole thing
[03:52] <BluesKaj> Solaris444, suse ?...how do you deal with that messy Yast pkg manager ...it sucks
[03:52] <Schuenemann> wasn't there a program called kxconfig?
[03:52] <Dr_willis> gnome and kde both have some way of sharing the running desktop. but i never use it.. i find it very slow - and  for what i need vnc for - it dosent to the job i need. :)
[03:52] <Solaris444> BluesKaj: 10.2 isn't too bad.
[03:53] <Solaris444> 10.1 was a mess.
[03:53] <whiz2> ty
[03:53] <Solaris444> BluesKaj: I hear 10.3 will use click n run for users.
[03:53] <DaSkreech> hey BluesKaj
[03:53] <Solaris444> So that will help a lot.
[03:53] <BluesKaj> yes , 10.1 was the reason i went with dapper
[03:53] <whiz2> I ran that from a F1 shell
[03:53] <BluesKaj> hi DaSkreech
[03:53] <SolidSource> anyone use FreeBSD?
[03:54] <whiz2> the server is running... will it start every time I start the linux box now?
[03:54] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  No..
[03:54] <Dr_willis> that vncserver is for the specific user that started it.
[03:54] <whiz2> ok
[03:54] <Dr_willis> you could in theory have a dozen+ vncserver/desktops running - each with different desktops :)
[03:54] <Dr_willis> thats what I use it for,.
[03:54] <BluesKaj> i tried the freebsd live cd latest ...not to impresssed
[03:54] <yamathan> Hey, guys -- is there any way I can recover my files from that NTFS partition?
[03:55] <BluesKaj> too
[03:55] <yamathan> WinXP is dead, whereas I am not!  XD
[03:55] <Dr_willis> now you just connect the vncviewer to the vncserver ip# and display #
[03:55] <whiz2> permission denied
[03:55] <SolidSource> yamathon: you can mount the NTFS partition
[03:55] <Dr_willis> it should of asked to set a vncserver password also.
[03:55] <Solaris444> anyone want to hear a first hand "Vista Messed My Computer" story?
[03:55] <yamathan> SolidSource: For some reason it can't read it.
[03:55] <yamathan> It's been like this since it's claimed it can't find Shell32.dll.
[03:56] <SolidSource> yamathon: you need to install something
[03:56] <whiz2> ok i made a mistake
[03:56] <SolidSource> !mtfs > yamathon
[03:56] <yamathan> Solid:  ntfs-3G?
[03:56] <whiz2> how do i end it?
[03:56] <SolidSource> !ntfs > yamathon
[03:56] <yamathan> I mean, I've been using it regularly!
[03:56] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  use the command 'vncserver --kill :1' or whatever # the desktop was
[03:56] <Dr_willis> it may be -kill or --kill i forget
[03:56] <yamathan> Accessing NTFS files, you know, from Linux.
[03:56] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  thats the 'proper' way to kill it.
[03:57] <Kite_DH> could somebody help me with "Kaffeine" ??
[03:57] <SolidSource> yamathon: thats one, but I found it don't work too well...I used to use the other one...forgot name right now
[03:57] <yamathan> ntfs-3g?
[03:57] <yamathan> Or the, uh, captive one.
[03:57] <BluesKaj> ntfs-3g works for me
[03:59] <Solaris444> Kite_DH: what specifically?
[03:59] <SolidSource> yamathon: well maybe the partition is corrupted..you will need a file recovery program possibly
[03:59] <yamathan> Hmm.
[03:59] <BluesKaj> no bootloader to access windows partition, yamathan ?
[03:59] <yamathan> Blues, yes, but the problem is that winlogon.exe apparently relies on this driver that got corrupted.
[03:59] <whiz2> for some reason i can only start the server as root
[04:00] <yamathan> When it's shell32.dll that's corrupted, well, you're pretty well done fore.
[04:00] <yamathan> *for, even.
[04:00] <Schuenemann> how do I remove this bouncing stuff when I load a program?
[04:00] <Schuenemann> I remember something related to kxconfig, but I can't  run it
[04:01] <kiersie> does annybody know if flash9 also avalibel is for amd64
[04:01] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm???
[04:01] <BluesKaj> yamathan, perhaps Ultimate Boot CDcan help
[04:01] <SolidSource> yamathon: ok are you trying to recover windows or just retrieve files to switch to (k)ubuntu?
[04:02] <yamathan> SolidSource: The first would be great, but I'm fine with option two.
[04:02] <yamathan> BluesKaj: What's this you say?
[04:02] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: online streaming
[04:02] <SolidSource> yamathon: for recovery, ultimate boot cd would probably be one of your main options
[04:02] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: in mozilla firefox
[04:02] <Solaris444> Kite_DH: Don't use Kaffeine.
[04:02] <yamathan> Ah, goodies!
[04:03] <Solaris444> Kite_DH: Use the mplayer plugin.
[04:03] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: is it for firefox?
[04:03] <yamathan> If it might solve the problem that would be great ...
[04:03] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm???
[04:03] <BluesKaj> check out their site UBCD ...http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[04:03] <Solaris444> install packages mplayer and mplayer_plugin
[04:03] <yamathan> But, uh, how do I fix the wee little problem of win32.dll being, uh, dead?
[04:03] <Solaris444> yes it is for firefox.
[04:03] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: thx, got it
[04:03] <Solaris444> no problem.
[04:04] <Kite_DH> Solaris444: should i install mozilla-player only or mplayer?
[04:04] <fudgey> both
[04:04] <Solaris444> both
[04:04] <Kite_DH> ok
[04:04] <fudgey> try vlc
[04:04] <Solaris444> fudgey: vlc always crashes for me
[04:04] <fudgey> aw
[04:05] <fudgey> dang it like plays all types
[04:05] <Kite_DH> thx for the help
[04:05] <Kite_DH> i got VLC
[04:05] <Kite_DH> i use it for softsubs
[04:05] <Kite_DH> does mplay support softsubs?
[04:05] <Solaris444> noooo idea.
[04:05] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm???
[04:05] <loki> how do i associate certain filetypes with a program
[04:05] <Kite_DH> hmmm, im gonna see it then :)
[04:06] <loki> like all html files will open vim
[04:06] <Kite_DH> kate?
[04:06] <Kite_DH> maybe..no idea
[04:06] <HymnToLife> Kite_DH, yes, but badly - imo
[04:06] <Kite_DH> HymnToLife: sry, was justa n idea of a linux n00b =)
[04:06] <Solaris444> loki: change your Konquerer settings.
[04:06] <Solaris444> file associations are in there.
[04:06] <HymnToLife> [04:06]  <Kite_DH> does mplay support softsubs? <= was an answer to this ;)
[04:07] <whiz2> ok I still need a bit of help with the vncserver
[04:07] <whiz2> I have it up, and running, but when I login from anothercomputer, all i get is a blank "root" desktop
[04:07] <fudgey> what if it says GDM error , no disk space left on device when starting gdm??? what should I do..get the text based install cd or ??
[04:08] <HymnToLife> fudgey, if you _do_ have space left, it's most likely a permissions issue
[04:08] <fudgey> hmm
[04:08] <fudgey> I do sudo before all cmds
[04:08] <loki> thx
[04:09] <HymnToLife> fudgey, check the permissions of your home dir
[04:09] <BluesKaj> sacktime for me folks ... been a long day ..nite all
[04:09] <fudgey> ??
[04:09] <fudgey> chmod /home 777?
[04:10] <radioaktivstorm> i have a question, i keep getting strangeness in the way kde displays (usually in the horizontal scrollbars) what is this and how can i fix it?
[04:10] <HymnToLife> fudgey, no
[04:10] <HymnToLife> typically, it's chown'ed to you and chmod'ed 755
[04:10] <HymnToLife> or 700 if you don't want other users to access it
[04:11] <fudgey> o
[04:11] <fudgey> im sure its a memory problem cuz Its an old imac
[04:12] <HymnToLife> maybe
[04:12] <HymnToLife> you can use df to see if you are running low on diskspace
[04:13] <fudgey> =/
[04:16] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. that was a yummy toasted ham and cheese on crosient... i may have to go make another.. :)
[04:16] <Dr_willis> Crossient?
[04:17] <fudgey> why would the live cd create a home folder that has wrong permissions?
[04:18] <HymnToLife> oh, it's a Live CD ?
[04:18] <fudgey> yeah
[04:18] <fudgey> im installing now
[04:18] <HymnToLife> I guess you'd be better with the Alternate then :p
[04:18] <fudgey> I cant get gdm to start!
[04:18] <fudgey> ok
[04:18] <HymnToLife> gdm ?
[04:18] <fudgey> yeah
[04:19] <fudgey> its from the memory problem
[04:19] <whiz2> Dr_willis: is vnc4server gui based?
[04:19] <HymnToLife> I didn't recall the liveCD showing the gdm screen
[04:19] <fudgey> time to dl the alternate cd
[04:19] <fudgey> it does
[04:19] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  there are no 'guibased' vnc servers - you are thinking in windows terms.
[04:20] <Dr_willis> you could call the kde/gnome shared desktop featues guibased i guess...
[04:20] <whiz2> I can only get vncserver to login as root... how can I change the user it logs in as
[04:20] <whiz2> ?
[04:20] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  i run vncserver as the user i want to have the desktop running as/
[04:20] <whiz2> I tried running it as my user, but was denied
[04:21] <Dr_willis> ssh in as user, and that user cant run 'vncserver' eh?
[04:21] <Dr_willis> or was the connection denied?
[04:21] <whiz2> i dunno how to use ssh either
[04:21] <Dr_willis> well its time to get reading i guess. :)
[04:21] <whiz2> opening the files were denied
[04:21] <whiz2> lol
[04:21] <Dr_willis> ssh ip#
[04:21] <Dr_willis> opening what files?
[04:21] <whiz2> one moment
[04:21] <Dr_willis> one step at a time. heh heh
[04:22] <Dr_willis> if you got some fixed font errors im going to scream.. :)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> vncserver puts some logs in the users .vnc/whatever dirs..
[04:22] <Dr_willis> those may be wroth reading
[04:24] <whiz2> can I opst the error messasge I got here?
[04:24] <whiz2> post*
[04:24] <fudgey> yyeah
[04:24] <whiz2> jason@Linux-Network:~$ vncserver
[04:24] <whiz2> cat: /home/jason/.vnc/passwd: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> sh: /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.log: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> sh: /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.pid: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2>
[04:24] <whiz2> New 'X' desktop is Linux-Network:1
[04:24] <fudgey> it be flooding
[04:24] <whiz2>
[04:24] <whiz2> Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession
[04:24] <fudgey> =)
[04:24] <whiz2> Log file is /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.log
[04:24] <Jucato> !pastebin | whiz2
[04:24] <whiz2>
[04:24] <ubotu> whiz2: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:24] <whiz2> sh: /home/jason/.vnc/Linux-Network:1.log: Permission denied
[04:24] <whiz2> jason@Linux-Network:~$
[04:25] <fudgey> sudo vncserver
[04:25] <Dr_willis> why do you need to 'sudo vncserver' ? that will run it as the root user.. which is not needed
[04:25] <whiz2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6508/
[04:25] <fudgey> permission denied?
[04:25] <fudgey> whenever I see that I use sudo Lol
[04:25] <fudgey> cuz most of the time it works
[04:26] <whiz2> when I sudo vncserver it starts the serv i c e ,      a nDI L oggsot  ini tas root only
[04:26] <Dr_willis> remove the .vnc dir and try again just as that user.
[04:26] <Dr_willis> DONT use 'sudo vncserver'   :)
[04:26] <Dr_willis> it may be making the .vnc dir with root permissions
[04:26] <fudgey> then do a chmod!
[04:27] <whiz2> When I sudo vncserver it starts X but kdm refuses login so I get a blank desktop with no UI.
[04:27] <fudgey> is there any step by step instructions on installing ubuntu 6.06 on an imac via alternate cd?
[04:27] <justin1278> Hello, can somebody assist me with setting up Wine?
[04:27] <fudgey> setup?
[04:28] <surgy> hey guys
[04:28] <surgy> i need help
[04:28] <fudgey> just ask the question
[04:28] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  you dont want to use 'sudo vncserver'    the vncserver command 'should' start the window manager defined in .vnc/xstartup
[04:28] <whiz2> Dr_willis: That's ~/.vnc/xstartup?
[04:28] <surgy> guildwars crashed and aparently cedega is still runing becuase im still getting audio output from the game but no vide.... isnt there a command called "sudo kill wineserver" or something? i tried it as i typed it but i get bash errors
[04:28] <Dr_willis> yes each user has their own .vnc dir
[04:29] <Dr_willis> so they got their own settings - the dir is created when the user first runs vncserver
[04:29] <fudgey> sudo killall?
[04:29] <fudgey> sudo killall wineserver?
[04:29] <justin1278> Can somebody help me with installing Wine?
[04:29] <surgy> thank you
[04:29] <Dr_willis> !wine
[04:30] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[04:30] <fudgey> sudo aptitude install wine!
[04:30] <Dr_willis> >hic<
[04:30] <justin1278> i've done that
[04:30] <justin1278> but it doesn't run
[04:30] <fudgey> then
[04:30] <fudgey> wine
[04:30] <fudgey> winecfg
[04:30] <Jucato> justin1278: what doesn't run? you use wine like this: wine program.exe
[04:30] <Jucato> (you have to be in the folder where program.exe is in)
[04:30] <fudgey> yeah
[04:30] <fudgey> or
[04:30] <fudgey> wine /blah/blah/blah.exe
[04:31] <Jucato> yep that works too :)
[04:31] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I don't have a xstartup in ~/.vnc all I have is a log, a pid and passwd.
[04:31] <osiris> !restricted formats > osiris
[04:31] <justin1278> Jucato: I typed Wine in the Run Command window but it doesn't open, it shows it loading but it just stops.
[04:31] <Dr_willis> now ya know why i use vnc4server :)
[04:31] <Jucato> justin1278: it won't really show up. you have to give it a program to run
[04:31] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  make one perhaps? theres too many variants on vncserver now a days.. trying to be too smart.
[04:31] <Jucato> justin1278: it's usually used in the command line
[04:32] <fudgey> is there any step by step instructions on installing ubuntu 6.06 on an imac via alternate cd?
[04:32] <justin1278> Jucato: Ok, can I install a Windows program on a CD using Wine?
[04:32] <fudgey> yeah
[04:32] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I think I can lookup which vnc is running...
[04:32] <Jucato> justin1278: yes. but not all Windows programs will run in Wine
[04:32] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  check those files with 'ls -l *' and see who owns them.
[04:32] <justin1278> Jucato: Are there specific types that won't? If so what kind can I expect to not run?
[04:33] <fudgey> look at the wine database
[04:33] <justin1278> Ok
[04:33] <Schuenemann> has anybody installed amsn? I get errors due to that tcl
[04:33] <Jucato> justin1278: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[04:33] <whiz2> in /home/jason/.vnc all files are root:root.
[04:33] <fudgey> is there any step by step instructions on installing ubuntu 6.06 on an imac via alternate cd?
[04:33] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  thats from you doing sudo vncserver is My guess...
[04:33] <whiz2> should I chown then jason:jason?
[04:33] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  sudo rm -r /home/jason/.vnc
[04:34] <Dr_willis> is ibne way.. or chown/chmod them
[04:34] <whiz2> Dr_willis: Yeah, I'll just blow them out and see if I can login as jason...
[04:34] <Dr_willis> brb,,, snack time
[04:34] <whiz2> Dr_willis: Err, run vncserver as jason.
[04:35] <justin1278> Jucato: I've put the CD I want in the drive, now how do I use Wine to run it?
[04:36] <fudgey> mount it
[04:37] <fudgey> I havent figured out how to run an app that requires the cd
[04:37] <justin1278> how? sorry, Im new at linux..
[04:37] <justin1278> oh ok
[04:37] <fudgey> does that app require the cd to run?
[04:37] <justin1278> no, just the cd to install
[04:37] <fudgey> I just open the cd and launch the setup with wine
[04:37] <justin1278> how do i do this?
[04:38] <fudgey> places...desktop...file system...cdrom
[04:39] <justin1278> how do I open the CD and launch the setup in Wine?
[04:39] <fudgey> the cd should be on desktop..
[04:39] <justin1278> it is
[04:39] <fudgey> double click it!
[04:40] <fudgey> look for setup.exe or seomthing
[04:40] <fudgey> open it with wine
[04:40] <justin1278> ok
[04:41] <Schuenemann> has anybody installed amsn?
[04:41] <christian_> Hi! I have problem with a Genius NetScroll+Optical mouse!
[04:42] <christian_> in Kubuntu 6.1!
[04:42] <slyfox> What is going on? I just downlaoded a manual in pdf and Kpdf asks me some kind of password to read the document, in windows it does not ask anything it jsut opens it ?!
[04:42] <christian_> please help me...
[04:42] <slyfox> christian_: ubuntuforums.org is the best place to look
[04:42] <fudgey> cant wait for version 7 ubuntu!
[04:43] <HymnToLife> of course you can, and you most likely will ;)
[04:43] <Dr_willis> i want version 9
[04:43] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:43] <fudgey> LOL
[04:44] <HymnToLife> though you could upgrade to it now, if you like your system on the bleeding edge
[04:44] <osiris> can anyone recomend an itunes or napster ish app for linux ?
[04:44] <HymnToLife> !amarok
[04:44] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[04:44] <osiris> something more than a player.  where i can purchase the music
[04:44] <whiz2> How do you add a command to init.d or inet.d?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> what? thats legal?
[04:45] <cpk1> amarok is awesome
[04:45] <Dr_willis> heh
[04:45] <Mena> i had this while compiling
[04:45] <Dr_willis> some places are beginning to sell/download mp3's now legally
[04:45] <Mena>  C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[04:45] <Mena> See `config.log' for more details.
[04:45] <HymnToLife> Mena, do you have build-essential installed ?
[04:45] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  you wouldent.. those are service dirs and have special scripts
[04:46] <Mena> HymnTolife, i dont know
[04:46] <khaije1> osiris: apollon will allow you to exchange files, also i'd reccomend emusic
[04:46] <Mena> HymnTolife, i dont think so
[04:46] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I want to run vncserver as a service.
[04:46] <khaije1> and yes amarok is boss
[04:46] <HymnToLife> Mena, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:46] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  theres some guides on doing that.. but its proberly beyond you.. plus its not really needed.
[04:46] <Mena> ok
[04:47] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  i had vncserver set where it would spawn as needed new sessions when i vncclient connected to a box.
[04:47] <fudgey> no sudo aptitude install tremulous
[04:47] <fudgey> then
[04:47] <fudgey> sudo suicide
[04:47] <whiz2> Dr_willis: Okay, how?
[04:47] <Dr_willis> but that took away one of the cooler features of the vncserver.. desktops running in the background/persistant
[04:47] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  better off proberly just sshing into the box. and running the vncserver as the user you want
[04:48] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I have ssh client/server working too.
[04:48] <slyfox> Can somone please see if they can open this pdf or there is a problem with my Kubuntu  http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G1/C2808_G1_hw.pdf
[04:49] <lingga> hello evrybody ..
[04:49] <NightBird> hi lingga
[04:49] <whiz2> slyfox: You probably need to type your user password because it needs root privlidges.
[04:49] <NightBird> slyfox, it's opening right now.... and it's open
[04:49] <lingga> anyone know how to create root password in kubuntu 6.10 ?
[04:50] <NightBird> lingga, it is your password
[04:50] <NightBird> when asked for the super user password, you supply your password to enable super user privleges for the next command
[04:50] <Dr_willis> lingga,  giving root their own password is a linux test. :) if you can figure out how to do it... then your linux skills are good enough to let you do it.
[04:51] <christian_> [17180608.808000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[04:51] <christian_> [17180620.352000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 3, error -110
[04:51] <christian_> [17180620.464000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4
[04:51] <cpk1> i was gonna to say something of the same Dr_willis ^^
[04:51] <christian_> [17180632.008000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 4, error -110
[04:51] <Dr_willis> its best to get into the 'sudo habbit'
[04:51] <christian_> [17180632.120000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[04:51] <christian_> [17180642.544000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 5, error -110
[04:51] <christian_> [17180642.656000]  usb 3-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6
[04:51] <christian_> [17180653.080000]  usb 3-3: device not accepting address 6, error -110
[04:51] <Mena> HymnTolife, how to keep sure that i compile correctly
[04:51] <cpk1> Mena: what are you compiling?
[04:51] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I can assign password to root, too bad kdm doesn't allow root login. ;)
[04:51] <NightBird> christian_, don't paste to the chatroom, use a paste site, than paste the link in here
[04:51] <slyfox> NightBird: let me try
[04:51] <HymnToLife> Mena, if you see some error messages, it didn't compile correctly
[04:51] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  thats easially fixed also
[04:51] <Mena> cpk1, a style (lipistk2.2.2)
[04:52] <Dr_willis> whiz2,  but not a good idea
[04:52] <Mena> HymnTolife, ok
[04:52] <slyfox> NightBird: no, entering my password does not open it
[04:52] <christian_> who is the "Paste site"?
[04:52] <whiz2> Dr_willis: I know, totally breaking the security model.
[04:52] <HymnToLife> whiz2, you can easily configure it to, but I wouldn't recommend it
[04:52] <HymnToLife> and neither tell you how to do it :p
[04:52] <NightBird> !paste
[04:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:52] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  that pdf opens fine for me.
[04:52] <NightBird> !paste | christian_
[04:52] <ubotu> christian_: please see above
[04:52] <cpk1> Mena: dont confuse errors with warnings
[04:53] <NightBird> slyfox, why is it asking for a super user's password to open the pdf?
[04:53] <christian_> ok
[04:53] <christian_> tanks
[04:53] <christian_> sorry
[04:53] <slyfox> Dr_willis: this one right ?  in english?  http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G1/e2808_g1.pdf
[04:53] <Mena> cpk1, ok i had this can you see it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6510/
[04:53] <slyfox> Dr_willis: Kpdf ?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> yep
[04:53] <Dr_willis> that one.. in kpdf
[04:53] <Mena> cpk1,bec i try make install with sudo but i dont sure if it was right
[04:54] <Dr_willis> im running sidux at the moment.. not kubuntu however...
[04:54] <Mena> cpk1,this is teh last lines
[04:54] <Mena> last*
[04:54] <Mena> the*
[04:54] <cpk1> it finished fine it looks like
[04:54] <slyfox> Dr_willis: becasue me and few otehr people in KDE channel cannot open it
[04:55] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  i can 'read' it.. but i cant READ it... its in jappenese or somthing.. :)
[04:55] <Mena> cpk1,ok
[04:55] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  i did 'download it to disk' then opened it.
[04:55] <lingga> so I can't log in as super user ?
[04:55] <slyfox> Dr_willis: no ! you need to get the english one, this one http://dlsvr03.asus.com/pub/ASUS/nb/G1/e2808_g1.pdf
[04:56] <Dr_willis> ok lets try that one
[04:56] <slyfox> Dr_willis: please try again
[04:56] <Dr_willis> lingga,  you can if you know what you are doing.
[04:57] <slyfox> Dr_willis: can you please get in here: #kde and reports about that pdf - english one
[04:57] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  ok. THAT one says its locked..
[04:57] <slyfox> Dr_willis: aha!
[04:57] <slyfox> Dr_willis: but it opens fine in windows xp
[04:58] <Dr_willis> sounds like a security breach in xp! :)
[04:58] <SlackRat> Dr_willis: how do did get sidux up, off which kanotix release?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  there was a relase on disrtowatch 4 days ago i just downloaded
[04:59] <SlackRat> really? rc ?
[04:59] <SlackRat> beta?
[04:59] <Dr_willis> rc3 or 4 or somthing...
[05:00] <SlackRat> hows it compare to kanotix back in the day? same thing pretty much?
[05:00] <[GuS] > hi Guys... Ktorrent is not working on Feisty 4? i can't search nothing
[05:00] <Dr_willis> its basifially debian with a few little tweaks...
[05:00] <[GuS] > always i got an search error
[05:00] <Dr_willis> cant tell much of a diff.
[05:00] <SlackRat> i know, i ran kanotix  till the easter release was just an exercise in futilitiy than it kinda stopped and i gave up
[05:01] <Dr_willis> figured id play with another disto till feisty farting fawn got out...
[05:01] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:01] <SlackRat> and the kanotix team split and went off to carry on a Sid based release
[05:01] <lingga> Dr_willis: i want ti intall ati driver in my new kubuntu that needs root access, what should I do ?
[05:01] <SlackRat> lmao at farting fawn
[05:01] <Dr_willis> lingga,  use the proper use of 'sudo' where needed..
[05:01] <Dr_willis> !ati
[05:01] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:01] <SlackRat> rofl
[05:01] <SlackRat> oh god what an image.....
[05:02] <SlackRat> farting fawn
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:02] <SlackRat> lmao
[05:02] <Dr_willis> would make for a good wallpaper eh?
[05:02] <Dr_willis> :)\
[05:02] <SlackRat> help......
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Bambie and Thumper in the woods....
[05:02] <SlackRat> my stomach hurts
[05:02] <Dr_willis> and a can of beans..
[05:02] <SlackRat> brraaaaaap!
[05:02] <Mena> cpk1, do you know why my lipistik didnt upgrade to 2.2.2 after compiling
[05:02] <SlackRat> heh
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Mena,  it may of installed to the wrong dir.
[05:03] <lingga> Dr_willis:  ic, so for security reason kubuntu disabled root login by default.. hmm
[05:03] <Dr_willis> Mena,  ive seen alot of themes that install to  the wrong place
[05:03] <Dr_willis> lingga,  by default - you cant directly login as root.
[05:03] <SlackRat> security and KEQ
[05:03] <fanscore> !fr
[05:03] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:03] <bitbyte> Dr_willis, i got that grub thing fixed, thanks for the help
[05:03] <Mena> Dr_Willis, So what to do
[05:04] <Dr_willis> Mena,  i recall when i compiled some themes i had to give some option to the ./configure scripts
[05:04] <Dr_willis> ./configure PREFIX=`somekde-commandhere`  that showed where the kdedir was .. (i think its /usr ok kubuntu)
[05:04] <Dr_willis> you may want to apt-get remove the older theme as well
[05:05] <Mena> yes kubuntu
[05:05] <Mena> Dr_willis, ok
[05:05] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: why cant i create /usr/lib/win32 ???
[05:05] <SlackRat> do you need to install the driver from a non gui tty?
[05:05] <lingga> Dr_willis: how about 'su' command is that possible to do that ? because I want using kubuntu in the class and I want to show to my student how to do 'su' command..
[05:05] <Dr_willis> kde-config  --prefix
[05:05] <slyfox> Is it posssible and is it the right way to do so? Say some other use is loged in on my Kubuntu machine, and new updates are available can I the "roor" user do the updates without logging out that current user and logging into my account to do the update? Becasue when I tried to enter my password in other user's accoutn to update I could not do it.
[05:05] <Dr_willis> lingga,  su can work.. but may not work totally how you expect. its best to use sudo
[05:05] <SlackRat> lingga.....its sudo
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  first guess.. you are not doing it as root with sudo as needed
[05:06] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: how is that possible?
[05:06] <Dr_willis> slyfox,  you can login as user, and do 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[05:06] <SlackRat> a root account cant be activated, but it is easy to trash your ubuntu , more so than with distros that have su access by default
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  why not tell us WHY/What you are trying to do?
[05:07] <SlackRat> and DONT try that root account in gui
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  sudo mkdir /whatever/the/heck/ya/want
[05:07] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: the guys in #mplayer said i should create it and put the codecs in there
[05:07] <slyfox> Dr_willis: and it will ask me for the sudo password and I will enter it and it will work eventhough I am logged in under some other than admnistrator user account ?
[05:07] <SlackRat> sudo ati-install.sh or whatever would work for the driver....or should
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  they dont know ubuntu/kubuntu then.. you DONT need to install the w32codecs that way
[05:07] <Dr_willis> !w32codecs
[05:07] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:07] <fanscore> !fr
[05:07] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  you are doing it the hardway
[05:08] <SlackRat> sudo gives the user temporary root powers
[05:08] <Dr_willis> !codecs
[05:08] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:09] <daleach> guys this seems pretty strange to me.. so yesterday I was installing Xgl and Compiz... I'm in compiz right now got wobbly windows and all but when I go to glxinfo | grep direct gets me "direct rendering : No" how is this possible?
[05:10] <slyfox> Dr_willis: and it will ask me for the sudo password and I will enter it and it will work eventhough I am logged in under some other than admnistrator user account ?
[05:10] <daleach> I thought that was a huge requirement of xgl/ compiz and stuff
[05:10] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: hmm...can u help me installing the mplayer codecs then?
[05:10] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: i got the folder with the codec files, what to do with it?
[05:10] <Schuenemann> Kite_DH, done sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs ?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  you dont need to do any of that.. you enable the severas repository, then apt-get install it...
[05:11] <lingga> Dr_willis: how if another user log in to my kubuntu and doing sudo, what happen ?
[05:11] <Dr_willis> lingga,  just try it and see.. :)
[05:11] <bonbonthejon> is there a command to scan a disk for errors
[05:11] <spitwise> !codecs | Kite_DH
[05:11] <ubotu> Kite_DH: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:11] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: how can i delete the dir again?
[05:11] <slyfox> Kite_DH: http://www.diigo.com/redirect?http%3A%2F%2Ffosswire.com%2F2007%2F01%2F24%2Fubuntu-tip-get-mplayer-and-play-everything
[05:11] <Dr_willis> if a user connects and runs sudo whatever.. its the same as if you did it locally.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> Kite_DH,  'rm' command
[05:11] <lingga> Dr_willis: :)
[05:12] <SlackRat> hmn, i dont see any release iso for sidux, it leads to a debian parent directory
[05:12] <slyfox> Dr_willis: ok, thanks will try that.
[05:12] <Kite_DH> Dr_willis: it says "No such file or directory" tho its there
[05:12] <daleach> anyone know why my glxinfo prints direct rending no?
[05:12] <slyfox> Kite_DH: link above is your guide to mplayer
[05:12] <spitwise> rm -rf /path/to/dir
[05:12] <Kite_DH> slyfox: thx
[05:12] <Kite_DH> spitwise: thx
[05:13] <SlackRat> lingga, that other person still needs your password to use sudo
[05:13] <Kite_DH> works
[05:13] <Kite_DH> thx
[05:13] <spitwise> sure
[05:13] <Kite_DH> thx for your help
[05:14] <SlackRat> rmdir
[05:15] <Schuenemann> SlackRat, I guess I got rid of that sound server problem... I just disabled it :D
[05:15] <SlackRat> ah, found sidux........
[05:15] <SlackRat> disabled what? kde soundsystem?
[05:15] <Schuenemann> the sound server
[05:15] <lingga> SlackRat: so the first user created is the super user ?
[05:15] <SlackRat> so you have no sound?
[05:16] <Schuenemann> no, I have sound
[05:16] <Schuenemann> I don't know what is that sound server for
[05:16] <Dr_willis> lingga,  the semi-super-user. :)
[05:16] <SlackRat> no the first user and only user is a user who can sudo with their password to su privileges
[05:17] <lingga> Dr_willis: how to create full super user :)
[05:17] <SlackRat> its in the documentation and highly NOT recommended
[05:18] <SlackRat> i used it , stupidly with full gui root account and borked my system
[05:18] <Schuenemann> what do you mean by first and only user?
[05:18] <Kite_DH> k, its done
[05:18] <Schuenemann> what if you have 2?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> lingga,  thats homework.. when you figure it out.. then grasshopper it will be time for you to go to the next level.
[05:18] <SlackRat> you set up your system, and presumably can add users to it
[05:19] <SlackRat> there are ways to exclude users certain permissions
[05:19] <Schuenemann> and the only user able to run su commands is the 1st ?
[05:19] <lingga> Dr_willis: okay will, I'm the new comer in kubuntu... :)
[05:19] <SlackRat> sudo commands, if you are the one administering the system, you can exclude other users from sudo rights.....unless they just open their own account on your box
[05:20] <SlackRat> and know what theyre doing.  spelling out how to enable a full root account in an irc channel would be irresponsible, check the docs if you insist on trying it
[05:21] <SlackRat> :-P
[05:21] <Schuenemann> hehe
[05:21] <Schuenemann> I was just curious... I'm the only one using this computer
[05:22] <SlackRat> then someone else just using it for a while, without their own acccount has to know your password to use sudo
[05:22] <emachete> anybody know how can I install nokia 3220 as modem
[05:22] <SlackRat> otherwise, nada
[05:23] <lingga> SlackRat: how about modem problem, I can't access my internal modem, I'm using win modem in my laptop.. any idea ?
[05:23] <SlackRat> ack, winmodems dont play nice with linux....i suggest googling winmodems and ndiswrapper
[05:24] <SlackRat> or getting another modem
[05:24] <Dr_willis> or a hammer :)
[05:24] <SlackRat> true
[05:24] <SlackRat> it can be done but its a pain
[05:24] <SlackRat> resistance is futile, lol
[05:25] <lingga> !ping
[05:25] <ubotu> pong
[05:25] <SlackRat> wow, the sidux iso is small
[05:25] <fudgey> The Starting Line
[05:25] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  because so little is included. :)
[05:26] <fudgey> The Early November
[05:26] <SlackRat> is synaptic included?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> SlackRat,  it did have a nice script to get the nvida drivers going
[05:26] <Dr_willis> not that i saw. :)
[05:26] <fudgey> Something Corporate
[05:26] <Dr_willis> had to install it.
[05:26] <SlackRat> i liked hacking kanotix, till it shriveled up and died
[05:26] <Dr_willis> missing a lot of the kde stuff as well.
[05:26] <SlackRat> yeah, my first kanotix was kanotix lite.......
[05:28] <maryen_> hi
[05:28] <tarelerulz> Do any of you know where the driver for you activer kernel are ? on the filesystem
[05:29] <maryen_> anyone wanna help me out with something?
[05:29] <SlackRat> did you need to run extra scripts when you installed like in kanotix final death throes?
[05:29] <SlackRat> and is anyone from kanotix still working with kanotix?
[05:29] <HymnToLife> tarelerulz, /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel
[05:29] <SlackRat> maryen, if you could be specific, maybe.....
[05:30] <maryen_> SlackRat: well, I wrote a script to install a game under wine and configure wine to run it properly, and I was wondering if someone could help me test it.
[05:31] <SlackRat> ack, i ve never had any real luck at all with wine....have you checked #wine?
[05:31] <Schuenemann> I know this is a stupid question, but how can I change konqueror's background?
[05:31] <maryen_> SlackRat: it's not really a wine question
[05:32] <SlackRat> or you could ask so more people in here
[05:32] <maryen_> SlackRat: i was wondering if someone could help me test my script
[05:32] <SlackRat> if its to install a game under wine, i dont mess with wine......but maybe someone here wants to give it a shot
[05:32] <maryen_> er but then again i could do that in the forums
[05:33] <SlackRat> i think wine might also be interested in an app specific script for their utility
[05:33] <maryen_> hmm
[05:34] <maryen_> well first i need to see if it works on anything but my computer
[05:35] <tarelerulz> I try to use my wiresless  card and I can see networks ,but I can't connect to them. It does not work with dcp
[05:35] <tarelerulz> Do any of you know what might be up
[05:36] <admin__> hey
[05:36] <admin__> need some help ppl
[05:36] <admin__> with installin easybuntu
[05:36] <SlackRat> maybe if we knew what kind of help?
[05:36] <SlackRat> whats wrong with it
[05:37] <SlackRat> maryen.....im sure wine devs have a variety of computers for testing.....
[05:37] <admin__> dont no what to do after i do the last update step
[05:37] <SlackRat> and can help you tweak anything that needs work
[05:37] <SlackRat> which was the last step
[05:37] <SlackRat> ?
[05:37] <SlackRat> easyubuntu takes a while
[05:38] <admin__> sudo apt-get update
[05:38] <admin__> takes awhile for?
[05:38] <SlackRat> and some folks have problems with it...i havent......easy ubuntu is a gui
[05:39] <SlackRat> have you apt-get updated your system recently....?
[05:39] <admin__> just before
[05:39] <admin__> fisrt time just installed kubuntu yesterday
[05:40] <SlackRat> so its up to date, you should be able to run easyubuntu
[05:40] <admin__> how do i run it
[05:40] <SlackRat> choose what you want installed, and apply
[05:41] <SlackRat> type easyubuntu on command line iirc
[05:41] <SlackRat> or find it in kmenu
[05:41] <Kite_DH> how to find out what mplayer version i got?
[05:41] <SlackRat> fire up mplayer and look under help/about
[05:41] <SlackRat> usually shows version
[05:42] <SlackRat> or run mplayer -v
[05:42] <admin__> how do i find kmenu
[05:42] <SlackRat> click on the big k on your task bar
[05:42] <Kite_DH> lol
[05:42] <SlackRat> first icon, like windows start
[05:42] <Kite_DH> =)
[05:43] <eric_> whats the best imaging software to use?
[05:43] <Kite_DH> adobe photoshop
[05:43] <Kite_DH> lol
[05:43] <eric_> noo lol
[05:43] <Kite_DH> u have to find that out urself i think
[05:44] <eric_> i mean to make an image of your desktop
[05:44] <Kite_DH> oh
[05:44] <eric_> haha
[05:44] <Kite_DH> snapshot program?
[05:44] <eric_> nope
[05:44] <eric_> incase your latptop crashes
[05:44] <eric_> you can restore it with an image
[05:44] <Kite_DH> ..no idea, ask the guys here
[05:45] <eric_> i was haha
[05:45] <dannnnnnnn___> how can i play wmv's in kubuntu
[05:45] <Kite_DH> SlackRat: how to upgrade my MPlayer 1.0pre8 to 1.0rc1
[05:46] <Kite_DH> a death god
[05:46] <Kite_DH> wow
[05:46] <DjVaip> i cant find
[05:46] <DjVaip> easyubuntu
[05:46] <SlackRat> does mplayer show a new version avail in synaptic?