[00:01] <James147> kubuntuuser: try running "kdesudo kcmshell4 kdm" and changing it in that dialog (you need to close the other one first)
[00:01] <kubuntuuser> ok
[00:06] <kubuntuuser> yes I can see the list of kdm-themes :)
[00:07] <kubuntuuser> after installation of this
[00:08] <kubuntuuser> but it works only on this way :(
[00:09] <James147> kubuntuuser: its a bug in kde 4.5.X where the kdm config dialog needs to be run as root to change the settings, 4.6 changed it so that it prompts for the root pass when you click apply
[00:10] <kubuntuuser> and 4.6 will be in natty?
[00:10] <James147> yes
[00:10] <kubuntuuser> :)
[00:14] <kyle____> where is my autoconf.h file????
[01:25] <rafael> oi
[02:37] <youngpatrick> Anybody know how to fix the Realtek lan card problem ???
[02:37] <youngpatrick> Anybody know how to fix the Realtek lan card problem ???
[02:37] <DarthFrog> youngpatrick: Do you always ask questions in stereo?
[02:37] <amason_> perhaps if you describe the problem you are having and the steps you have performed to debug the issue so far, we may be able to help
[02:38] <youngpatrick> No...the Realtek Giga lan card RTL8168 in HPDM1-Z laptop
[02:40] <youngpatrick> I have downloaded the lan card from realtek web-site and compiled it. the module is OK.. But the problem is my router netgear wndr3700 cannot detect the lan card as Gigabit version
[02:40] <amason_> youngpatrick: does your router have gigabit ethernet ports ?
[02:43] <youngpatrick> my router have gigabit ethernet ports.. that is when the gigabit lan card plugged-in,,, the signal lamp should blink in green color...But the laptop gigabit lan card which the router send the signal lamp color in amber...That means the router detect it as 100Mbps not in 1000Mbps.
[02:43] <amason_> and does your computer detect the nic as gigabit ?
[02:46] <youngpatrick> I use the default config as auto eth0 and auto lo in /etc/netwok/interfaces....however, i also change the interfaces consig in static Ip address for my laptop.... but it still not work.
[02:48] <amason_> you didn't answer my question though
[02:48] <amason_> does the computer see it as a gigabit device
[02:49] <youngpatrick> lspci -v.... it is the gigabit device confirmed
[02:49] <amason_> erm that just confirms the name of the module
[02:50] <amason_> use ethtool to query the device
[02:50] <amason_> and see if it knows it's a gigabit device
[02:51] <amason_> actually can you pastebin the output of that
[02:52] <youngpatrick> I have tried ethtool to forece the device in full duplex and 1000mbps,,,autoneg on....It does not work....Other thing is the router signal lamp blink in green color in the first few seconds after I have plugged the lan cable from the laptop....after the few seconds, it change the signal color in amber !!!!!
[02:53] <youngpatrick> Sorry, I am using my desktop to chat and my laptop.... I cannot pastebiin the output
[02:57] <youngpatrick> Moreover, I also blacklisted the modules RTL8169....lsmod | grep r81*... the output modules said as r8168 <--loading the correct one from the system
[03:02] <youngpatrick> Any idea ???
[03:29] <Spaz_Dynamic> hey
[03:33] <Spaz_Dynamic> so, xorg doesn't start
[03:35] <Spaz_Dynamic> and startx doesn't do it either. I get a segmentation fault
[03:39] <Spaz_Dynamic> I boot my computer, and get dumped to tty2. switching to tty7 shows that most things loaded (I think). I log in to tty2 and running startx gives me a segfault, and says that the server is aborting.
[04:07] <Spaz_Dynamic> I boot my computer, and get dumped to tty2. switching to tty7 shows that most things loaded (I think). I log in to tty2 and running startx gives me a segfault, and says that the server is aborting. How can I resolve the segfault and get a GUI running again?
[05:35] <akashkj> Hey
[05:35] <akashkj> Im looking for the Latest version Kubuntu11.04
[05:35] <akashkj> Cant find a download
[05:35] <akashkj> i dont want the alpha and beta releases
[05:35] <akashkj> HELLLLLLLLLLLp!!
[05:36] <akashkj> Anyone here ?
[05:36] <akashkj> ?
[05:36] <amason_> no no one is here
[05:36] <amason_> all gone
[05:37] <amason_> akashkj: so you want something that hasn't been released but you don't want alpha and beta releases ?
[05:45] <ryan_> I love Kubuntu 11.4
[05:45] <ryan_> :)
[05:49] <akashkj> Ryan
[05:49] <akashkj> How do i get 11.04
[05:49] <akashkj> ??
[05:49] <akashkj> ??
[05:49] <FloodBotK1> akashkj: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[05:49] <amason_> akashkj: what part of my reply did you not understand ?
[05:49] <amason_> 11.04 is not stable...if you want 11.04 you need to be running a beta
[05:50] <akashkj> Sadness
[05:50] <amason_> akashkj: it will be out shortly
[05:50] <akashkj> But they relased a stable version today, didnt they ??
[05:50] <amason_> no
[05:50] <akashkj> Cool
[05:50] <akashkj> Any idea when ?
[05:50] <amason_> soon
[05:51] <amason_> sometime on april 28th UTC it's due
[05:51] <akashkj> Cool
[05:51] <akashkj> Thanks
[05:53] <ryan_> lol
[05:53] <ryan_> any thoughts on unity here?
[05:53] <amason_> yup, i am happy i'm running kubuntu :)
[05:54] <ryan_> yea
[05:54] <ryan_> I have used both
[05:54] <ryan_> Love unity too
[05:54] <ryan_> but don't upgrade
[05:54] <amason_> i'm sure unity will be awesome but it's new
[05:54] <amason_> and thus i expect there will be teething issues
[05:54] <ryan_> it don't work as well as the fresh install
[05:54] <ryan_> If u have used mac
[05:55] <ryan_> its very much same
[05:55] <ryan_> with unique ubuntu differences
[05:55] <ryan_> biggest issue I found
[05:55] <ryan_> was the Libre office didn't print on most myoffice jobs
[05:56] <ryan_> so I had to down grade again to make my work work
[05:56] <ryan_> and that uwas kubuiuntu nd Ubuntu
[05:57] <ryan_> the error suggest thaqt libre office didn't tell the printer when to close the job
[05:58] <ryan_> oh
[05:59] <ryan_> and I find Ubuntu has a better gui fire wall interface
[05:59] <ryan_> :)
[05:59] <ryan_> for dl
[05:59] <amason_> libreoffice has no control over printer jobs
[06:00] <amason_> it can submit a print job
[06:00] <amason_> but it doesn't have the ability to control / stop them
[06:00] <amason_> that is the role of the print manager
[06:01] <ryan_> yea
[06:01] <ryan_> but Ubuntu Kubunt u 10.10 worked on the same job
[06:02] <ryan_> same with mint 10
[06:02] <ryan_> all I did was reinstall and it worked
[06:02] <ryan_> thumb drive
[06:02] <ryan_> so even though the work was done on libre
[06:03] <ryan_> open office printed where libre office frose the printer
[06:03] <ryan_> so if its the manager
[06:03] <ryan_> so be it
[06:03] <ryan_> but thats an issue then with 11.4
[06:07] <ryan_> and thats 11.4 ubuntu and kubuntu
[06:07] <ryan_> I tried both before going back
[06:07] <ryan_> thus I tought it was libre office
[06:08] <Tm_T> ryan_: for 11.04, try asking in #ubuntu+1
[06:08] <Tm_T> as it's not released yet and thus not supported yet
[06:08] <ryan_> agreed
[06:08] <ryan_> I am not asking for an answer
[06:08] <ryan_> just lettingpl know
[06:08] <Tm_T> ah, misread then, my bad (:
[06:08] <ryan_> its kool
[06:08] <ryan_> :)
[06:09] <ryan_> but I will add that channel
[06:09] <ryan_> ty
[06:20] <Spaz_Dynamic> kpackage isn't fetching natty
[06:24] <gh0st> so I use the usb-creator in the iso and then try to boot to it. it just sits on the "syslinux ebios copyright" screen. wtf?
[06:24] <ryan_> spaz?
[06:25] <ryan_> kpackg won't  get it till tomorrow
[06:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> ryan_: ?
[06:25] <Spaz_Dynamic> ryan_: why is that?
[06:25] <ryan_> but
[06:26] <ryan_> cause the release date isn't till then
[06:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> the website says its out...
[06:26] <ryan_> but the fresh install is best in this upgragde
[06:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> meh
[06:26] <Spaz_Dynamic> I just installed 10.10
[06:26] <ryan_> l0l
[06:26] <ryan_> 10 10 and 11.4 is very differenty
[06:27] <ryan_> do what u want
[06:27] <Spaz_Dynamic> hopefully 11.04 is notably better.
[06:27] <ryan_> but...
[06:27] <ryan_> many different office and other packages that will work better fresh
[06:27] <ryan_> It is better
[06:28] <Spaz_Dynamic> is it better with sound, graphics, and uh, well, thats all i've had any issue with so far
[06:28] <ryan_> I have used both
[06:28] <ryan_> and freh works better (in this caes)
[06:29] <ryan_> then my upgrade
[06:29] <ryan_> on ubuntu
[06:29] <ryan_> and kubuintu
[06:29] <ryan_> lol
[06:29] <ryan_> yea
[06:29] <maco> this channel is wonderfully lacking in annoying repitition. wow!
[06:29] <ryan_> unless u use a compaque
[06:30] <ryan_> maco
[06:30] <ryan_> is that good?
[06:30] <maco> ryan_: #ubunt is full of people asking "is it out yet" because they dont read /topic
[06:30] <ryan_> ol
[06:30] <ryan_> lol
[06:30] <ryan_> I know
[06:31] <ryan_> :S
[06:31] <maco> (or realise that ubuntu.com will stop announcing maverick and start announcing natty when natty's out?)
[06:31] <FloodBotK1> ryan_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> there is less than 1/5 of the people here
[06:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> but natty is out
[06:31] <ryan_> kk flood
[06:31] <maco> not the final version
[06:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> kubuntu.org says its released
[06:31] <maco> they're still building ISOs
[06:31] <ryan_> I am refering to both
[06:31] <Spaz_Dynamic> go look
[06:31] <ryan_> I  will leave
[06:31] <ryan_> ty
[06:32] <maco> Spaz_Dynamic: oh, thats just a javascript thing that's going by the clock
[06:32] <maco> the release managers have not called it gold yet
[06:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> ah
[06:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> thatis dumb
[06:32] <Spaz_Dynamic> i sat there telling kpackage to check repeatedly for like 20 minutes before giving up xD
[06:34] <ryan_> this is where kde is going due to ppllike Floodbot
[06:34] <ryan_> =1
[06:34] <ryan_> bye
[06:43] <Guest66402> hey guys any ideas as to when kubuntu 11.04 be launched today, i mean what time
[06:44] <tsimpson> wow, some people have 0 patience
[06:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> lol
[06:45] <Spaz_Dynamic> I think they're being thrown off because the kubuntu website says that its out now
[06:51] <tsimpson> it says beta 2, not final release
[06:51] <tsimpson> oh, the huge "Out Now!" image :|
[06:53] <Spaz_Dynamic> tsimpson: yeah, that.
[07:20] <hotmanta> hello
[07:23] <hotmanta> starting Quassel and trying it on 11.04 beta..
[08:22] <Secris> wow there are alot of people in here
[08:22] <Tm_T> hi Secris, welcome
[08:23] <Secris> thanks
[08:24] <Secris> Figured I would drop in since I have been waiting on the natty release for weeks
[08:26] <tsimpson> Secris: there are a bunch of people waiting in #ubuntu-release-party if you want to join in
[08:26] <Secris> I should really go to bed but I think I will drop by there
[08:59] <Lhademmor> Hey, I've just installed Kubuntu natty beta, but for some reason, the "Additional drivers" dialogue doesn't allow me to download fglrx for my ATI Radeon HD 5700. That's odd, because Ubuntu found it and allowed me.
[09:02] <Lhademmor> Any way for me to get hold of it? Without a driver, the fan is at its max, and it's so goddamn noisy
[09:29] <mah454> when kubuntu-11.04 released ?
[09:31] <tsimpson> mah454: today
[10:53] <jtheuer> Hi, does anyone have kmail + akonadi + google contacts running? kmail doesn
[10:54] <jtheuer> 't suggest address from my address book, just recent ones.
[11:23] <Mad_Dud> hi guys.
[11:23] <Mad_Dud> big day today, eh? :-)
[11:45] <Incarus6> Kubuntu.org announced 11.04 (not released atm) http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release
[11:50] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I saw right now ,but the link  to the download page, seems to be wrong (https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download)
[11:51] <BlouBlou> !download | AlexZion
[11:51] <Incarus6> AlexZion, yes, they are going to change the link when 11.04 is released
[11:52] <AlexZion> ahh ok , so it's normal ....
[11:54] <AlexZion> BlouBlou: at the page of official download , there is just the 10.10 version , so it's not the same.... :D
[11:55] <BlouBlou> AlexZion: wait to 18:00 GMT as usually
[11:55] <AlexZion> anyway thank to any developer of Kubuntu , I'm pretty sure the new release will be amazing , like always ....
[11:56] <AlexZion> yeah BlouBlou I know , my message was just because I thougth there was an error on the official page ...
[11:57] <seawolf> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release :D
[11:58] <BlouBlou> still not in update-manager
[12:02] <chazwoza> anyone know what time kubuntu 11.04 will be released?
[12:02] <Mad_Dud> couple minutes ago
[12:02] <Mad_Dud> 12:57<f'seawolf> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release :D
[12:03] <chazwoza> that link says its not released?
[12:03] <Tinason> what is the command line, er, commmand, to do a dist upgrade in kubuntu maverick?
[12:03] <chazwoza> websites screwed
[12:03] <chazwoza> :(
[12:04] <Mad_Dud> oh, im sorry. i try to get to torrent tracker ignoring http and ftp downloads
[12:04] <Mad_Dud> oh and "not" in the title. interesting.
[12:04] <chazwoza> the download link on that news article is screwed
[12:05] <chazwoza> www-admin.kubuntu.org ?
[12:05] <Mad_Dud> does this one work for you? torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[12:18] <Tinason> i am trying to dist upgrade via kpackagekit, but kpackagekit isnt showing any updates. whats up? is it just me? has anyone here started a network upgrade? if so how?
[12:20] <BlouBlou> Tinason: wait in #ubuntu-release-party  - it hasn't been released yet
[12:20] <Tinason> oh ok, thanks BlouBlou
[12:21] <Mad_Dud> thanks
[12:21] <bearsh|work> it seems to be released according the ubuntu.com website...
[12:21] <BlouBlou> not officialy
[12:22] <BlouBlou> so it's not in update-manager yet
[12:31] <Tinason> its out, yay
[12:31] <chazwoza> erm
[12:32] <chazwoza> where can i find 11.04 ?
[12:32] <chazwoza> the 11.04 release page is gone?
[12:32] <Tinason> i guess at the kubuntu site, but i was referring to network upgrade via kpackage kit
[12:32] <arpan> i can't authorize to twitter using choqok, on natty, any help?
[12:43] <alibo> xk
[12:44] <Riddell> Kubuntu 11.04 is out! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/11.04-release
[12:45] <Chris_H> Hi, is it safe to upgrade to natty? Or should I just do fresh install and move my settings?
[12:46] <tsimpson> upgrading should be perfectly safe
[12:46] <simion314> Chris_H: i prefer fresh
[12:46] <Mad_Dud> i do both
[12:46] <Mad_Dud> :-)
[12:47] <Mad_Dud> thank you for release!
[12:47] <Riddell> Chris_H: follow these instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[12:48] <Riddell> you're welcome Mad_Dud!
[12:48] <Chris_H> lol, I remember upgrading ubuntu 10.04 and all the graphics seemed to be broken somehow
[12:48] <Chris_H> I guess I will do a fresh install
[12:49] <Chris_H> Its pretty much safe
[12:49] <simion314> if you have space on the HDD i would  install the new version in other partition and test it,i am now runing both 11.04 and 10.10 , so for example the gmail plasmoid is not working in 11.04, flash will crash on full screen with effects on on the new version , so things can go wrong in some machines/drivers
[12:50] <simion314> i get a strange bug, during boot my keyboard led is turning off and nothing will happen,if i press the power button the keyboard led will turn on and the bott continue
[12:50] <simion314> weird
[12:52] <Chris_H> simion314: I am using KDE 4.6.2 (the same version which natty uses) on Kubuntu 10.10 machine and both Flash and gmail-plasmoid work fine
[12:52] <Chris_H> I guess I should test drive it first
[12:53] <simion314> Chris_H: the drivers cause the problems in flash.i guess the open source driver was updated in this version, i do not tried the ati driver because it seems to make Opera slower
[12:54] <simion314> Chris_H: this time i will try to not install gnome apps,maybe GTK only(without gnome dependencies) if i realy need it
[12:55] <Mad_Dud> guys, do you know any widget, which behaves as notepad, that pops out from taskbar after clicking icon?
[12:56] <Chris_H> simion314: I too had that trouble. I installed hack --> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[12:57] <simion314> Chris_H: what problem, flash or boot?
[12:57] <Chris_H> simion314: problem with the drivers and flash
[12:58] <simion314> Chris_H: i am still hoping that kwin can be made to turn effects off when runing flash or vlc in full scree
[12:59] <phoenix_firebrd> how can i upgrade from 11.04 beta to 11.04 final
[13:00] <Chris_H> You can also try xrender compositing instead of openGL, simion314
[13:00] <Chris_H> It works faster on some machines
[13:02] <simion314> Chris_H: gmail plasmoids works now, i checked it again and it seems that my accound detailed were missing,now it runs , the only fix i need is for flash and boot problem
[13:09] <Linkmaster> I'm contemplating upgrading to 11.04..how does it look? Also, which ppa's should I keep to ensure the distro stays good
[13:20] <Linkmaster> arpan: I see that your back :P
[13:21] <arpan> yep
[13:21] <bittin> How do i update from Kubuntu 11.04 beta 2 to 11.04 ?
[13:21] <arpan> Linkmaster: was here yesterday as well!!!
[13:21] <Linkmaster> bittin: how does 11.04 look and feel compared to 10.10?
[13:22] <Linkmaster> and I must've missed you then. Playing too many games P
[13:22] <bittin> only change i seen so far is new backround and firefox 4 instead of 3
[13:23] <Chris_H> Linkmaster: If you are using  KDE 4.6, it looks the same in natty :)
[13:23] <Linkmaster> Huh..I want to upgrade pretty bad at the moment. Do you happen to know which ppa's I need to keep to ensure I dont break my system by accident? I've added quite a few since first installation
[13:24] <Linkmaster> Chris_H: ah, alright. I love 4.6. Much better then 4.5 in my eyes
[13:26] <arpan> Linkmaster: iirc, the upgrade will disable any third party repo while upgrading
[13:27] <arpan> Linkmaster: once the upgrade is finished, you can re-enable them
[13:27] <Linkmaster> Ah. What about through konsole? Since I prefer 'apt-get' to pretty much everything
[13:32] <arpan> Linkmaster: never tried dis-upgrade with apt-get so can't help there, sorry!
[13:33] <arpan> *dist-upgrade
[13:34] <Linkmaster> Hm, thanks for the advice though. It will keep all my stuff installed, correct?
[13:35] <arpan> Linkmaster: GUI - yes. apt-get - should. :)
[13:35] <arpan> Linkmaster: only rough case i can think of is, broken deps due to third party repos and new updates
[13:36] <arpan> Linkmaster: i guess, disabling third party repos in apt sources before upgrading may do the trick.
[13:36] <Linkmaster> :0?
[13:39] <arpan> Linkmaster: upgrading or haven't decided yet?
[13:42] <Linkmaster> Still in contemplation. My internet speed here at school is terrible at best, and I'm trying to finish a torrent[its 33gigs..how dumb do I get?]beforehand
[13:51] <Linkmaster> Do you know if theres any changes made to AmaroK?
[13:53] <Linkmaster> arpan: yeah, I'm going to upgrade. I'm using Kubuntu, its bleeding-edge. I should've upgraded on the first beta release :/
[13:55] <kalib> Did anyone upgraded from Kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04?
[13:59] <Bauldrick> I have a problem --- I can only get into system if I boot into recovery and then > resume boot - that gives me a command prompt at which point I login and issue startx - If I try to select normal 2.35.8 at grub (or whatever # it is) I get black screen and monitor actually turns off...
[13:59] <Bauldrick> 11.04 ^^
[14:04] <Bauldrick> and pc becomes non-responsive (power button doesn't work) I have to pull the plug....
[14:14] <Linkmaster> Bauldrick: Have you tried updating the computer/drivers?
[14:16] <Linkmaster> arpan:  if possible, you said you put Kaffiene on your computer: can you see what happens if you open up a .mpg file? I get an annoying crash that I also got with Dragonplayer. It could be that .mpg files aren't read[rather then .mpeg], so I would need to convert them to .avi..not sure, I was considering moving them to .avi, since I do have support for that
[14:19] <arpan> Linkmaster: lemme check it
[14:20] <Bauldrick> Linkmaster: by that you mean? I installed this from disc as beta2 and has been running fine. It was fine last night too, only today when turning on I'm faced with this strange problem.. I'm logged in now and there no updates when 'apt-get dist-upgrade' is run.
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Happy Release Day
[14:26] <Linkmaster> Bauldrick: Hmm.....sounds interesting
[14:26] <Linkmaster> arpan: and thank you. Like said, I get a strange crash-haven't reported it, but thats because my attempts have never worked in teh past
[14:29] <arpan> Linkmaster: tried an .mpg file with kaffeine and got can't find demux plugin error, dragon player plays it perfectly
[14:29] <arpan> Linkmaster: i guess backend makes the diff
[14:29] <Linkmaster> arpan: now THAT is wierd. Different error then myself. Mine just simply crashes
[14:30] <arpan> Linkmaster: why don't you run it from konsole, you may know what's happening before crashing
[14:31] <Linkmaster> arpan: that is a brilliant idea, and I don't know why I didn't think of it
[14:34] <arpan> Linkmaster: removing kaffeine, smplayer and dragonplayer does it all for me, kaffeine otoh doesn't work
[14:36] <Linkmaster> otoh?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> gragon and vlc ftw
[14:36] <BluesKaj> dragon
[14:38] <Linkmaster> arpan: joshua@Isadora:~/Videos$ kaffeine example.mpg
[14:38] <Linkmaster> joshua@Isadora:~/Videos$ QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory
[14:38] <Linkmaster> QFileSystemWatcher: failed to add paths: /home/joshua/.config/ibus/bus
[14:38] <Linkmaster> Bus::open: Can not get ibus-daemon's address.
[14:38] <Linkmaster> IBusInputContext::createInputContext: no connection to ibus-daemon
[14:38] <FloodBotK1> Linkmaster: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:38] <Linkmaster> KCrash: Application 'kaffeine-xbu' crashing...
[14:38] <BluesKaj> the new release was abit of an anticlimax for me , was mostly all done 2 days ago :(
[14:39] <Linkmaster> Sorry guys, didn't mean to flood it
[14:39] <Bauldrick> BluesKaj: thats why I don't understand my problem... theres been no updates and something has balls my sytem up...
[14:40] <Bauldrick> [13:59:27] <Bauldrick> I have a problem --- I can only get into system if I boot into recovery and then > resume boot - that gives me a command prompt at which point I login and issue startx - If I try to select normal 2.35.8 at grub (or whatever # it is) I get black screen and monitor actually turns off...
[14:40] <arpan> Linkmaster: no clue there
[14:41] <Linkmaster> arpan: yeah...I'll post on the forum, see if anybody there can help with that
[14:42] <arpan> Linkmaster: mean while try other players... you may like one of them!!
[14:44] <Linkmaster> True..though vlc makes me mad, and its the only one that currently works: you know of any others? prefeably KDE based?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> Bauldrick, have you installed the rec'd driber in kmenu/apps/system/additional hardware ? If not use the recovery kernel and choose  repair broken packages , then startx
[14:45] <BluesKaj> driver
[14:48] <Bauldrick> BluesKaj: additional drivers? there are non to install - I have tried 'repair packages' both from recovery menu and tried 'repair broken system' from disc - same with grub... maybe I shouldn't have turned PC off last night !!! :(
[14:50] <BluesKaj> Bauldrick, drop to an earlier kernel in grub and try that one > I had to do the same for a while til the fix came down.
[14:52] <Bauldrick> I'd have to install it...? this was beta2 and came with <IP_ADDRESS> I think
[14:52] <Bauldrick> but nothing has changed from last night! certainly not kernel
[14:53] <BluesKaj> which graphics card  Bauldrick?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> hey James147
[14:55] <Bauldrick> BluesKaj: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 10)
[14:55] <evdvelde> hi all, i installed Natty and now my bluetooth mighty mouse does not respond to clicks, scrolling works... any ideas?
[14:55] <James147> Hey BluesKaj
[14:58] <kalib> anyone did an upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04?
[14:58] <evdvelde> kalib:  i did
[14:58] <kalib> I tried to upgrade this way on my VM but something went wrong..
[14:59] <kalib> close to the end... it was just frozen... after downloaded all the packages..
[14:59] <kalib> was installing everything..
[14:59] <Linkmaster> It could be that it was a virtual machine?
[14:59] <kalib> and stoped on xorg...
[14:59] <Linkmaster> I heard they are..sketchy..for doing major updates/upgrades
[14:59] <kalib> gave me no error message..
[14:59] <kalib> just stoped... frozen
[14:59] <kalib> I had to kill the vm..
[14:59] <kalib> and now my vm doesn't start anymore
[14:59] <Bauldrick> actually.... thinking about this..... kubuntu is on an ntfs partition that was resized , and someone did boot into windows last night, and that may possibly have done something???
[15:00] <Linkmaster> ^Very possibly
[15:00] <kalib> Linkmaster, :/
[15:00] <Linkmaster> See if you can load a LiveCD, and see if you can access the Kubuntu inside the VM
[15:00] <kalib> think I'll have to download the new iso and install again
[15:00] <Bauldrick> so the next question is? what is 'possbly'?
[15:01] <Bauldrick> but more importantly, how do i fix it!
[15:01] <Linkmaster> 'possibly' implies that it could be a reason. It gives us a place to start and to troublshoot from there
[15:01] <Linkmaster> If the partition was moved, it could very possibly be hosed :/
[15:02] <Bauldrick> its been working fine, and still does if I log in via recovery
[15:03] <Bauldrick> brb
[15:12]  * BluesKaj thinks there's going to be a n influx of new kde tryouts after witnessing the probs ppl have with Unity and gnome over at #ubuntu+1 the last few weeks
[15:13]  * Linkmaster wonders what BluesKaj means
[15:14] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, we're going have more kde users than previously
[15:15] <Linkmaster> I figured that, I meant the Unity and gnome part. I thought Unity was working well
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, not for a lot of , plenty of probs
[15:15] <BluesKaj> ppl
[15:16] <Linkmaster> Interesting...the great Ubuntu is losing ground to Kubuntu. I wonder why :P
[15:16] <BluesKaj> the split of the desktop alliance , I call it
[15:17] <Linkmaster> xD
[15:17] <BluesKaj> gnome vs Unity
[15:17] <tdn> Is there a "Startup Disk Creator" for KDE/Kubuntu?
[15:17] <Linkmaster> I wonder what happened. I wasn't aware of this till now
[15:17] <yofel> hm, a bit hard to say, it's not like ubuntu stopped using nautilus/evince/evolution/etc. after all
[15:17] <yofel> tdn: sure
[15:18] <tdn> yofel, where do I find it?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> personally I don't give 2 hoots anyway , never dared for gnome from the outset
[15:18] <BluesKaj> cared
[15:18] <SilverCode> anyone else having problems with Kubuntu 11.04 not loading the GLX extension, and thus having no desktop effects with intel drivers?
[15:18] <yofel> tdn: hm, if I press alt+f2 and enter 'start' it shows up in the list
[15:18] <Linkmaster> tdn: go to "KDEstart -> Applications -> System"
[15:18] <tdn> Oh. There it way. Thanks.
[15:19]  * yofel has pretty much stopped using the kmenu
[15:19] <yofel> krunner FTW :D
[15:19] <tdn> yofel, well... krunner crashes frequently :(
[15:19] <BluesKaj> SilverCode, yes there are some , but I haven't found any fixes yet
[15:19] <yofel> not for me, but I have a bunch of extentions disabled here
[15:20] <yofel> SilverCode: there was a bug with mesa, but I thought that was fixed
[15:20] <notslad> what version of KDE?  krunner usually runs fine for me and I haven't disabled any extensions
[15:20] <yofel> it did crash in the past, yes, but not lately
[15:21] <SilverCode> darn
[15:21] <tdn> yofel, extensions for krunner?
[15:21] <tdn> yofel, 10.10
[15:21] <yofel> I mean I unchecked some features in the krunner settings
[15:21] <tdn> notslad, 4.6.2
[15:22] <yofel> hm, 11.04 here, but I don't think it crashed much for me in 4.5 either
[15:22] <notslad> tdn: weird.. thatz what I'm running.. no problems with krunner
[15:22] <tdn> yofel, where to get to settings? The wrench?
[15:22] <yofel> yep
[15:22] <tdn> yofel, ok
[15:23] <notslad> tdn: looks like I do have Nepomuk search disabled in krunner.. that might help you out
[15:23] <yofel> if it crashes, try to get a backtrace please and file a bug, without a backtrace we have no way to figure out why it crahses
[15:23] <notslad> tdn: I'm really fond of Nepomuk.. but it's still young :^)
[15:25] <SilverCode> ok, I think the problem is that I'm not actually using the intel driver ... it looks like it is using a standard framebuffer driver
[15:28] <tdn> notslad, yeah, nepomuk is really annoying :(
[15:28] <tdn> notslad, I would like to just remove ALL of it. But it does not seem possible.
[15:29] <yofel> nepomuk works fine for small systems, but on my notebook it slows down the system and virtuoso eats my battery without me needing it :/
[15:29] <yofel> most annoying part is that if I disable it in system settings I get a message every login that it's disabled...
[15:30] <James147> yofel: really? on my netbook it stops indexing (and thus stops draining power) when my laptop isnt chanrging
[15:30] <notslad> tdn: when Nepomuk comes of age it will be amazing, though :^)
[15:31] <James147> and from 4.6 i havent had a problem with nepomuk at all :s
[15:31] <yofel> strigi stops yes, but not nepomukfilewatch
[15:32] <BluesKaj> heh, I have nepomuk turned off in service manager ..absolutely no use for it ...no databases etc so no need
[15:32] <notslad> yofel: yeah.. I was kind've lumping them both into the same category... functionally, I need strigi and nepomuk both to be working fast and light before it makes a significant impact on my desktop experience
[15:33] <yofel> well, you could use nepomuk for tagging for example without strigi, but I have practically no need for strigi, and I don't use nepomuk enough either to justify the resources it takes
[15:34] <yofel> I wonder if I should delete my virtuoso DB, it takes 3G of disk space...
[15:36] <evdvelde> hi all, bluetooth troubles after upgrading to natty: adapter not found after booting (needs extra service restart) and bluetooth mouse moving and scrolling but not clicking... your help is appreciated!
[15:47] <chris_> hi
[15:47] <Guest74022> hi
[15:47] <BluesKaj> hi
[15:48] <Guest74022> there is a bug at http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[15:49] <Guest74022> 11.04 Alternate CD, 64bit links to http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.10/kubuntu-10.10-alternate-amd64.iso
[15:49] <Guest74022> so 11.04 links to 10.10
[15:51] <Kottizen> the upgrader freezes - what should I do?
[15:54] <Saren> Hello everyone.
[15:54] <Saren> Anyone got time for a quick Plasma Q?
[15:56] <evdvelde> hi all, bluetooth troubles after upgrading to natty: adapter not found after booting (needs extra service restart) and bluetooth mouse moving and scrolling but not clicking... your help is appreciated!
[15:59] <bobbob1016> I can't seem to enable Compiz with Window Decorations, after a fresh (with the same /home) Narty install.  I installed Fusion Icon, Emerald, and Compiz.  Compiz works (cube rotate and everything), but Decorations don't work.  Anyone having the same issue?
[16:01] <Saren> OK, I'll toss it out.
[16:01] <Saren> Kubuntu starts, but defaults to netbook remix on my 10.1''
[16:02] <Saren> I want a regular desktop.
[16:02] <BluesKaj> cube rotate works without compiz on maverick and natty, bobbob1016 for most desktop effects compiz is nol onger needed.
[16:02] <Saren> I tried apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, but to no effect. Loginscreen gives me only "KDE Plasma WOrkspace" as an option.
[16:02] <yofel> Saren: System settings -> workspace behaviour -> workspace
[16:02] <yofel> there you can change the workspace type
[16:02] <Saren> Ta very much, trying it now.
[16:02] <yofel> the default depends on the screen size as you noticed ;)
[16:03] <bobbob1016> BluesKaj: That was just an example I used to show Compiz was working.  I don't really like kwin, can't seem to find a way to get something like "scale" and can't disable the glow, and things like that.  I have compiz setup how I like, and I want to keep it that way.  Do you know what would be preventing window decorations?
[16:04] <Saren> Awesome, thanks a million!
[16:05] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016, nope , sorry I no longer bother witj compiz , so I'm way behind on the curve in there
[16:06] <yofel> bobbob1016: the active window glow? That's not kwin but oxygen
[16:06] <bobbob1016> BluesKaj: I just found "present windows" but can't set it to enable when I middle click my mouse. This was something I use all the time in compiz.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> some of the window decor is very flaky , bobbob1016 , even without compiz
[16:07] <bobbob1016> yofel: And where do I go to disable the glow in oxygen then?
[16:08] <yofel> systemsettings -> workspace appearance -> window decorations -> (with oxygen selected) configure decoration -> shadows
[16:15] <wolfjb> i upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 and now nspluginwrapper gives a segfault during installation and flashplugin_installer won't install because of that. this is on 64bit version. any workarounds?
[16:15] <bobbob1016> yofel: One more question, do you know how I can set "present windows" to enable when I middle-click?
[16:16] <yofel> hm... let me look around a bit
[16:19] <evdvelde> wolfjb: same here
[16:20] <wolfjb> hrmm
[16:21] <BluesKaj> maybe remove the present nspluginwrapper and try to reinstall but I haven't come across any requirement for that app on my 64bit system
[16:22] <wolfjb> I've removed and purged it and reinstalled it all with the same failure
[16:22] <yofel> bobbob1016: can't find that either, I personally use a screen edge to activate that
[16:22] <wolfjb> I was thinking about downgrading it to 10.10 version
[16:23] <BluesKaj> just purge reinstall flashplugin-installer, don't think you need the nspluginwrapper
[16:25] <bobbob1016> yofel: Yeah, but I find screen-edges very inconvient.  I prefer pressing a button, since I more or less frequently hit the edges by mistake.
[16:26] <wolfjb> BluesKaj: flashplugin-installer depends on nspluginwrapper >=<IP_ADDRESS>-2, ia32-libs >=2.2ubuntu18
[16:29] <wolfjb> available nspluginwrapper is 1.2.2-0ubuntu9 and ia32-libs is 20090808ubuntu13
[16:29] <BluesKaj> wolfjb, install FF 64 bit
[16:31] <bobbob1016> yofel: So, kwin just crashed on me.  Crashed me to login.  Not sure if I have compositing on or not, I have an nvidia card.  It also disabled my second screen.  Which I enabled through nvidia-settings.
[16:31] <BluesKaj> wolfjb, whatever browser you were using , make sure the one you want is from the repos so you get the 64 bit version , that's all I can tell you
[16:31] <yofel> no idea, I haven't had a kwin crash for months, nvidia too
[16:32] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016, it was probly compiz trying to load your settings :)
[16:33] <wolfjb> BluesKaj: thanks
[16:35] <bobbob1016> BluesKaj: No, they're all disabled.  I uninstalled compiz, to do a fresh install.  But either way, I *need* middle click -> present windows.  Might sound stupid, but that's the main thing I find really useful that Compiz does that Kwin can't seem to do.  I do like the idea of kwin though, having everything handled by one program is easier.
[16:35] <bobbob1016> BluesKaj, yofel: Brb, going to restart X.  Trying a seperate X session, not twinview, since I suspect that's the issue.
[16:35] <bigbrovar> I have been unable to install kubuntu natty on my hp probook 4420 laptop, livecd always hangs while loading :/
[16:36] <BluesKaj> bobbob1016, well compiz has it's uses , but for most effects it's mostly redundant , unless you need special effects that kwin can't handle of course
[16:36] <BluesKaj> oops too late again
[16:37] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, check out the alternate install cd
[16:37] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[16:38] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: I tried that, same problem :(
[16:38] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: the system just freezes.. at console while loading
[16:38] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: 10.10 installs fine though no problems..
[16:40] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, did you try upgrading by sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[16:40] <tdn> How do I stop/remove every trace of nepomuk, strigi, virtuoso, and the likes? I do not need this stuff and it hogs resources such as CPU time and I/O.
[16:42] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: I hope to try that now, but am very skeptical, Kubuntu 11.04 did install fine doing the development circles. problem started when one morning I booted the system and got a freeze while kdm was being loaded. even recovery console gave me a freeze, then I tried loading the livecd and even that too gave me a freeze.
[16:43] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: then I downloaded 64bit daily image, installed that and everything was fine, then system frooze again, and since no version of *buntu 111.04 (whether live or actual install) have worked on the laptop
[16:43] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: all this while 10.10 loads fine without any issues
[16:44] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: I have a feeling that upgrading this laptop from 10.10 would result to same thing
[16:44] <BluesKaj> tdn, no need to remove it , just open system settings/startup&shutdown/service manager/nepomuk service and choose stop and apply
[16:47] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, it looks like a mystery , since Linux Suse is one of the optional OSs offered with that laptop, one would think the HW was chosen to be  more "Linux-friendly"
[16:48] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: exactly that was what influenced my decision to get it. but tbh, never had an issue with 10.10 or 10.04 for that matter
[16:48] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: right now am trying to google if this is a known issue, because its so had to pin down the problem
[16:50] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, well there isn't a whole lot of difference between 10.10 ands 11.04 in my experience , except perhaps kde4.6
[16:51] <paolinux> hi
[16:51] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: yeah this might not be a case of bad freedom hating hardware, the hardware for the laptop is pretty generic .. I just hope its not an isolated hardware issue ( in which case how come 10.10 boots fine without problems at all? makes no sense to me man )
[16:52] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, yes google-linux is helpful, sometimes , altho I'm beginning to lose faith in it's engine
[16:52] <simion314> BluesKaj: it happened to me, laptop that camed with linux after a few mounths ATI droped linux suport for the video card
[16:52] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: any suggestion for a better search engine?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> just palin google has surprised me with it's linux results lately
[16:53] <BluesKaj> err plain
[16:54] <simion314> use google search with "+" for words that must be in the result and "-" for words that should not be in the result,this can help in some cases
[16:54] <Linkmaster> I use bing for my searching, and surprisingly it works very well
[16:55]  * Feldegast sometimes uses google.com/linux
[16:56] <Linkmaster> Does Feldegast find that useful?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar, sometimes the there desktop independent probs and #ubuntu chat has some really knowledgeable ppl altho not many care for kde
[16:56] <BluesKaj> there are
[16:56] <bigbrovar> well technically, this issue also affect ubuntu since non of the buntu I tried worked
[16:57] <BluesKaj> right , kinda figured that
[16:57] <BluesKaj> sounds like kernel module problem
[17:00] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: yeah thats  what I feel, would have to figure out the module with problem
[17:00] <paolinux> how can i disable dhcp from 10.10? my interfaces file has only "auto eth0 "
[17:01] <BluesKaj> paolinux, auto eth0 is required if you're using NM
[17:01] <paolinux> yes i'm using NM
[17:01] <BluesKaj> paolinux, and if you run a staic IP
[17:01] <BluesKaj> err static
[17:02] <eagles0513875> hey guys im noticing a rather interesting issue with kvirc compiled from trunk on 11.04 64bit
[17:02] <eagles0513875> when i try and maximize the system it locks up to the point of needing a hard reset
[17:02] <eagles0513875> any ideas?
[17:03] <paolinux> BluesKaj:  it works.. but to the next reboot the dhcp is on
[17:03] <AlexZion> hi guys, I'm surfing the web looking for a new laptop compatible with linux andis quite impossible, so I was thinking ..., maybe there is some company which can sell me a very good laptop compatible with linux , or even better would be to have a community certificate laptop to buy , so it would be a good things even for the community too .... , and I would be so proud to contribute even in this way
[17:03] <AlexZion> do you think it would be possible ....one day .....?
[17:04] <paolinux> BluesKaj: from NM plsmoid i see "auto eth0" and static ip
[17:04] <BluesKaj> paolinux, well. NM will assign an IP dynamically unless you set iy to static
[17:04] <James147> AlexZion: there are lots of linux compatable laptops... they just dont tend to say they are
[17:05] <James147> AlexZion: there are also some compaines that built computers to run linux
[17:05] <paolinux> BluesKaj: hum... ok but how can i set only static ip at next reboot?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> paolinux, I don't use NM , the /etc/network /interfaces file is sufficient to configure an internet connection
[17:05] <James147> AlexZion: personally I have found asus and intel stuff to be compatable
[17:05] <AlexZion> for example James147, i need a powerfull notebook , and I don't want a really old hardware
[17:06] <paolinux> BluesKaj: yes
[17:06] <James147> AlexZion: Then I would recomend asus... love they netbooks :)
[17:06] <James147> their ^^
[17:06] <AlexZion> yeah , me too I'm using an old Asus laptop which is compatible .....
[17:07] <paolinux> i will use only iterfaces file
[17:07] <paolinux> the NM is not very powerfull tools to manage network interfaces
[17:07] <AlexZion> but me laptop is 5 years old and I need much more performance now ...., can you give me some suggestion James147
[17:07] <BluesKaj> paolinux, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[17:08] <James147> AlexZion: finding preformance on a netbook is hard ^^ they dont tend to be designed for that
[17:08] <paolinux> BluesKaj: thanks :)
[17:09] <AlexZion> well , i saw some laptop with i7 , 8 gb of ram ,nvidia ge force with 2 gb onboard ....., the only problem is this new Optimus technology , which seems to be designed to avoid linux user ......
[17:09] <BluesKaj> paolinux, a word of caution , remove NM first , then procede with the tutorial
[17:10] <BluesKaj> err proceed
[17:11] <AlexZion> ....and anyway James147 I would prefere to give my money to the community ......,and I really think it would be possible ...
[17:15] <bittin> only problem with Kubuntu 11.04 so far is that dwm don't work
[17:15] <bittin> and that Shipit is closed so i need to burn a cd :p
[17:17] <bittin> http://oi55.tinypic.com/124wq60.jpg
[17:23] <bittin> 18:22 [Ubuntu] -!- Cannot join to channel #kubuntu-release-party (You must be invited)
[17:23] <bittin> :<
[17:23] <paolinux> re
[17:24] <paolinux> i'm dowloading 11.04 :))
[17:25] <bittin> iam done installing 11.04
[17:25] <bittin> only problem so far is that dwm don't start
[17:26] <paolinux> hum
[17:28] <shadeslayer> bittin: there's no such channel
[17:29] <shadeslayer> there's only #ubuntu-release-party
[17:29] <bittin> shadeslayer: okay
[17:29] <arpan> bittin: so you're saying that you can't boot into desktop with 11.04 after installing?
[17:29] <bittin> arpan: i can boot into kde and openbox but not dwm :p
[17:30] <tdn> BluesKaj, already did.
[17:32] <arpan> bittin: sorry, never tried dwm before.
[17:34] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, I think I nailed the problem I was having booting Natty on my laptop.
[17:35] <bittin> arpan: ah
[17:35] <bittin> they might fix it in next version
[17:35] <bittin> will use openbox while i wait
[17:36] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, when u suggested it might be a bad module causing some unhappy stuff to the system, I remembered that my issue started while I was trying to switch on the bluetooth (which is integrated in the same button as the wireless key) that particular button was stuck at a single led, so I decided to reboot to see if doing some would make bluetooth work again. . that was when the problem started.
[17:37] <bigbrovar-L> my local install never booted again kept freezing at kdm
[17:37] <bigbrovar-L> and when I tried using livecd samething happened.
[17:38] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, so I decided to go into the bios and disable the wireless hardware for the laptop and voila am on xubuntu 11.04.. booted fine for the first time
[17:39] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, my guess is that there is a problem with the open source broadcom driver on natty
[17:40] <BluesKaj> bigbrovar-L, so you're connected via ethernet ?
[17:40] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, yeah
[17:41] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, trying now to google to see if others are having similar issues
[17:41] <BluesKaj> odd because broadcom is reltively kubuntu friendly , bigbrovar-L
[17:48] <eagles0513875> bigbrovar-L: actually was having that issue
[17:48] <eagles0513875> with kdm not booting to the login screen?
[17:48] <eagles0513875> just hanging
[17:48] <eagles0513875> BluesKaj: i had a similar problem to bigbrovar-L
[17:49] <nascentmind> Hi. Can I do a sudo do-release-upgrade for kubuntu?
[17:49] <eagles0513875> nascentmind: yes you can
[17:49] <nascentmind> eagles0513875, Thanks
[17:52] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, yeah that was before the driver was opened sourced and made part of the kernel, making the need for restricted driver useless
[17:53] <bigbrovar-L> BluesKaj, something is wrong with the way that is setup I guess
[17:54] <Linkmaster> does anybody happen to know what SDL is?
[17:55] <Linkmaster> It would be a library containing  SDL_Init that is, according to a configure error I recieved
[17:56] <nascentmind>  When I do a sudo do-release-upgrade I get connection timed out/unable to connect for archive.canonical.com. Should I go ahead with the upgrade?
[17:58] <BluesKaj> nascentmind, make sure any ppas you enabled for maverick are disabled before upgrading to natty
[17:58] <arpan> Linkmaster: are you configuring something related to multimedia?
[17:59] <arpan> Linkmaster: then it could possibly http://www.libsdl.org/
[17:59] <Linkmaster> arpan: I'm actually trying to install LÖVE from source :0
[17:59] <Linkmaster> Oh, that might be it
[18:02] <nascentmind> BluesKaj, In synaptic in Other software I have natty sources enabled now. Some of the ppa's say disabled on upgrade to karmic.
[18:02] <Linkmaster> I should be able to install it from source as well..[I'm downloading something massive unfortunately through KPackageKit, and can't stop it now, hence why I'm using source to begin with]
[18:03] <nascentmind> BluesKaj, is archive.canonical.com down?
[18:06] <bobbob1016> yofel, BluesKaj: I figured out how to get my middle-click to do "Present Windows".  I set it to F10, then installed xbindkeys-config and xautomation, and set xbindkeys to press F10 with xautomation when I middle click.  Not ideal, but it works.
[18:11] <gogeta> everyone enjoying the uniti trainwreck
[18:11] <gogeta> lol
[18:14] <BluesKaj> gogeta, this is a kde room , not many ppl wih unity here
[18:15] <BluesKaj> nascentmind, why not just disable canonical archive for now. it could be overloaded from ppl upgrading
[18:15] <gogeta> BluesKaj: :)
[18:16] <gogeta> but its fun if you look in the ubuntu irc everyone is complaning i knew it would be a trainwreck from day 1
[18:16] <Linkmaster> arpan: Came across a problem: it didn't contain the library itself, just a punch of .html files
[18:16] <Linkmaster> *bunch
[18:18] <BluesKaj> gogeta, yeah I saw that yesterday on #ubuntu+1
[18:18] <Pici> Its a support channel, if everything was working fine no one would be there.
[18:18] <gogeta> BluesKaj: i played with aplha and beta and got the felling its just the devs to lazy to get away from gtk
[18:18] <arpan> Linkmaster: ah..., i believe you might need -dev version of lib installed if you want to compile something from source
[18:19] <gogeta> BluesKaj: far from ready for mass use
[18:19] <Linkmaster> Yeah, I might as well practice compiling from source. My KPackageKit is downloading a game started over three hours ago -.-
[18:20] <gogeta> BluesKaj: its unlgy and a usably nightmare
[18:20] <gogeta> ulgy
[18:20] <arpan> Linkmaster: natty has libsdl1.2-dev in repo
[18:20] <Pici> gogeta: this channel is for Kubuntu support, not complaining about Unity.
[18:21] <Linkmaster> arpan: I'm not using natty yet, so I don't know if that will work: and I can't install from repo at the moment Dx
[18:22] <gogeta> Pici: but its fun to kick puppys
[18:22] <gogeta> lol
[18:22] <James147> Linkmaster: if its still downloading you can intruppt it... and it will continue where it left offf
[18:22] <arpan> Linkmaster: generally i avoid building from the source
[18:22] <Pici> gogeta: That attitude isn't appreciated nor appropriate for any Ubuntu channel.
[18:22] <Linkmaster> James147: I know, but its like, 70% through..I want to get the blasted thing finished so I dont' accidently stall it forever
[18:23] <Linkmaster> arpan: as do I, but its a useful skill to have
[18:23] <arpan> Linkmaster: what's theuse of repos then? xD
[18:23] <Linkmaster> arpan: I wouldn't know exactly :0 I might be doing something or another wrong, all I know is that I can't use 'apt-get' at the moment
[18:23] <BluesKaj> well gogeta I tried Unity on 11.04 for 2 days , it's ok , but not my cuppa tea and it insisted on adding all my ~/home folders with hard links to the desktop which I thought was strange and buggy
[18:23] <arpan> Linkmaster: yeah i've done it too. but that's no fun unless it's your own software or you know the code.
[18:24] <Linkmaster> arpan: both very true
[18:24] <iulian_> just updated and work great on my laptop, good job
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, run sudo dpkg --configure -a , maybe that will restore apt-get
[18:26] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: nah, apt-get is fine, its just being hogged by the fact it can't get an exlcusive lock[KPackageKit is running in the background]
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, still up[grading? well then wait til it's done
[18:27] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: Its actually a game D:
[18:27] <BluesKaj> then ap t is locked doing your upgrade
[18:27] <Linkmaster> Yeah, I knew that, I just don't know how to use a repo other then KPK and apt-get
[18:28] <BluesKaj> packagekit uses apt to upgrade . Linkmaster
[18:28] <Linkmaster> I was also aware of that
[18:28] <James147> BluesKaj: it at least apts databases :)
[18:28] <BluesKaj> yeah
[18:29] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, if you run one then the other can't
[18:30] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I know that as well..I'm trying to find the source code for the SDL-library. I was just saying I couldn't download because its being used at the moment, and that was because I was told to find a repo
[18:38] <arpan> Linkmaster: you can find libsdl source here at bottom -> https://launchpad.net/libsdl
[18:38] <Linkmaster> arpan: ! awesomness, thank you!
[18:39] <arpan> Linkmaster: :)
[18:40] <Linkmaster> arpan: downloading..let me compile it, and hope for the best
[18:41] <arpan> Linkmaster: good luck
[18:42] <Linkmaster> arpan: thankies! Lets hope this is the only one xD
[18:46] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, hmm, I thought SDML was installed by default ... seems to be on my setup
[18:47] <Linkmaster> I'm not sure really :o
[18:47] <BluesKaj> it's in the repos , not sure which ones tho
[18:48] <BluesKaj> bbiab..postbox
[18:53] <Linkmaster> arpan: one of the longest compiler/making I've ever seen, but no errors as of yet! We shall see what the 'sudo make install' does, and if it goes as hoped, it'll have worked
[18:58] <Linkmaster> arpan: also, thanks for directing me to launchpad. I now have a place to get my source files :P
[18:59] <arpan> Linkmaster: u r welcome
[19:01] <arpan> but LP may not have latest version always, keep that in mind, Linkmaster
[19:02] <Linkmaster> arpan: Geez...so much more complicated installing from source. I feel sorry for the old time linux users, and I will
[19:02] <BajK> Konversation is Kde's "official" IRC client? I want to replace Quassel
[19:05] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, like i said it's available in the repos if the right ones are enabled , no need to compile from what i can see
[19:05] <James147> Linkmaster: its not to hard installing from source... whts hard is resolving the dependencies
[19:06] <Linkmaster> James147: thats what I'm talking about: .you need something to install something to install something else to install the first thing that needs something else to be installed
[19:06] <James147> Linkmaster: welcome to dependency hell :D
[19:06] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I enjoy staying out of my comfort zone though
[19:07] <Linkmaster> James147: and tell me about it! I thought it was bad the first time I tried installing from source, but this is puts the other package to shame
[19:07] <James147> Linkmaster: you should try compiling firefox if you really want your brainto melt
[19:08] <Linkmaster> You know what...perhaps I will xD
[19:08] <James147> :D
[19:10] <Linkmaster> James147: I assume you've tried this before?
[19:11] <James147> have seen people try to compile it ^^
[19:11] <James147> dont think anyone has done it yet on our uni computers
[19:11] <James147> at least firefox 4
[19:12] <James147> though, thats partly due to the fact the use to have a horrific version of redhat on and made compiling anything near impossible if not actually impossible
[19:12]  * BluesKaj thinks FF isn't worth installing or compiling ...it's become a clunky old bloat :)
[19:12] <tommis> ssh and dolphin, how?
[19:12] <James147> sftp://server/folder
[19:13] <BluesKaj> tommis, install ssh-server
[19:13] <tommis> done
[19:13] <James147> BluesKaj: only need that on the computer you are trying to connect to
[19:14] <tommis> but how i transfer files in dolphin via ssh
[19:14] <tommis> that was the question
[19:14] <James147> tommis: sftp://server/folder
[19:14] <tommis> thx
[19:14] <BluesKaj> also openssh-client , if you want to ssh from server or clienbt machines , it's good to have both
[19:14] <James147> sftp is a filetransfer protocal that is built into ssh
[19:14] <tommis> done already
[19:15] <James147> and dolphin understands how to use it  ^^ :)
[19:15] <James147> or at least the kios for it :)
[19:15] <BluesKaj> tommis, run the add network folder in dolphin/network
[19:16] <tommis> BluesKaj: ho i can access it?
[19:17] <BluesKaj> open dolphin /places/network
[19:18] <tommis> BluesKaj: thx
[19:19] <James147> tommis: ^^ or just type in the address bar "sftp://server/folder"
[19:19] <James147> ^^ replaceing server and folder
[19:19] <tommis> @ instead of /
[19:19] <tommis> but i think shortcut thing is better
[19:20] <James147> tommis: or sftp://user@server/folder if you need a different user
[19:20] <tommis> oh i mis red your post
[19:20] <tommis> server/folder not user/server
[19:24] <EagleScreen> hello
[19:25] <James147> Hello EagleScreen
[19:25] <bittin> hi
[19:25] <EagleScreen> I have a 10.1'' netbook and I want to install Kubuntu but with plasma-desktop, how can I proceed?
[19:26] <EagleScreen> it by default installs plasma-netbook
[19:36] <yofel> EagleScreen: install it, then change it later in system settings -> workspace behaviour -> workspace
[19:38] <Linkmaster> tar.bz2 files: theres the 'cmake' and 'build' file. I don't recall the command sequence to properly build them. I have 'cmake' installed, so thats not an issue
[19:38] <Linkmaster> ^Install them that is
[19:39] <yofel> Linkmaster: there should be a README explaining that
[19:39] <yofel> or INSTALL file
[19:39] <Linkmaster> would the CMakeLists.txt be it?
[19:40] <Linkmaster> Wait, yofel, I found it
[19:40] <yofel> CMakeLists.txt is the main cmake control file
[19:41] <Linkmaster> Well, good thing I didn't open that one :0
[19:41] <nebula> now fix ..."ign translation index " ??? 11.04
[19:43] <James147> Linkmaster: wouldnt have matter if you have opened it :) its justa  text file
[19:44] <Linkmaster> James147: true. But knowing my luck, something would have epically died
[19:44] <Philippe_P> Is there any particular problem (if any) with the 11.04 upgrade, before I launch it ?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> Philippe_P, just disable any nondefault ppas that you may have added after your last OS install
[19:46] <Philippe_P> ok , thanks BluesKaj
[19:47] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: how do you know which are default ppas? particularly if you forget/don't know
[19:48] <Philippe_P> well i do not think there is a default ppa afterall :)
[19:51] <BluesKaj> Philippe_P, usually they letters ppa will be the url
[19:52] <BluesKaj> in
[19:52] <BluesKaj> :)
[19:52] <Philippe_P> yeah I know :)
[19:52] <Philippe_P> ok let's hold my breath and jump !
[19:52] <BluesKaj> any ppa , most aren't default anyway
[20:00]  * gomiboy is upgrading... should have waited a couple of days XD
[20:00] <gokudox> hi! had a problem downloading the dvd iso
[20:00] <gokudox> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/release/kubuntu-11.04-dvd-amd64.iso leads to nowhere
[20:00] <gokudox> jtlyk
[20:01] <BluesKaj> gokudox, pls expalin
[20:01] <tommis> http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/290864757/?tab=summary <- this gokudox
[20:01] <tommis> oh noes
[20:01] <tommis> it is beta 2
[20:01] <tommis> don't
[20:01] <gokudox> I'm referring to the link on this page http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download#download-block
[20:01] <gokudox> links
[20:02] <gokudox> section DVD
[20:02] <tommis> why you don't use torrent?
[20:02] <gomiboy> gokudox: this works for me http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/10.10/release/kubuntu-10.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[20:03] <gokudox> that doesn't change the fact that there are dead links on that page OO
[20:03] <gokudox> I mean i AM using bittorrent, just wanted to let you know that there are dead links..either that or my connection is really weird today
[20:03] <BluesKaj> gokudox, http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[20:05] <gokudox> BluesKaj, yes, that's the page I meant. check the download links for 11.04 DVD 64bit
[20:06] <gokudox> Kubuntu 11.04 DVD, 64bit gives me 550 can't find link (since it's an ftp address obviously)
[20:06] <gokudox> the second one 404
[20:07] <mr-rich> Ok ... kpackagekit is telling me I can upgrade to 11.04 ... is this safe? Will it keep my added repos, etc?
[20:08] <gokudox> thanks for your attention. goodbye
[20:08] <Linkmaster> arpan: I need help again :0
[20:09] <Linkmaster> arpan: Wait, I might have gotten it..
[20:09] <BluesKaj> gomiboy, well, the 64bit torrent opened ktorrent and the download started
[20:09] <BluesKaj> gkwell, the 64bit torrent opened ktorrent and the download started
[20:09] <BluesKaj> gawd
[20:10] <BluesKaj> of course he leaves right when I'm posting the correct url
[20:11] <gomiboy> mr-rich: afaik it will disable your added repos, you can enable them later (changing them to natty, i think)
[20:12] <BluesKaj> mr-rich, disable any ppas tho
[20:13] <mr-rich> What bout software installed from said repos? will it leave those alone?
[20:17] <usaki> hi, i need to know how i remove the latest kernel, i updated kubuntu to 11.4 today but my computer froze during boot, old kernel works btw
[20:22] <EagleScreen> how can i disable blur on kwin?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> usaki, remove the associated linux-image kernel in your package manage
[20:23] <mr-rich> usaki: How long did your upgrade take?
[20:23] <usaki> about 1hr
[20:23] <usaki> is it safe to remove it should  i change some settings also?
[20:24] <BluesKaj> usaki, if it doesn't work then it's ok to remove unless you're running oin the recovery version of the same kernel
[20:24] <usaki> thanks ima try dat ^_^
[20:25] <mr-rich> usaki: I wouldn't just remove the new kernel ... I'd just make the old one the default in Grub ...
[20:25] <BluesKaj> usaki, but have you tried the recovert version and upgrading while running on that
[20:26] <usaki> how do i change grub
[20:27] <mr-rich> usaki: hint: google is your friend :) (in otherwords, I don't know either ...)
[20:28] <usaki> ok
[20:29] <rimdeker> Hello guys, today I upgraded my Kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 now suddenly compiz and emerald don't work properly, when I do  │ cats4gold
[20:29] <rimdeker>                   | compiz --replace my window borders disappear and everything gets messy
[20:29] <rimdeker> Oh, sorry for the messed up formatting, copypasted from a previous post, accidently got on a wrong channel lol
[20:30] <rimdeker> So yeah, after the upgrade compiz-emerald stopped working, would they work if I were to completely re-install Kubuntu 11.04?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> usaki, this will work http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/1170-how-to-change-the-default-boot-order-for-grub2-in-ubuntu-1004-and-ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat
[20:31] <BluesKaj> rimdeker, just reinstall compiz
[20:31] <usaki> ty :D
[20:32] <rimdeker> I did reinstall compiz
[20:32] <rimdeker> now I have borders, but the kwin ones and wherever I click on the border
[20:32] <rimdeker> the size of the window changed
[20:32] <rimdeker> changes*
[20:33] <roentgen_> rimdeker: is compiz so much better than kwin?
[20:33] <James147> roentgen_: I wouldnt say so
[20:33] <roentgen_> I didn't try ... I'm just curious
[20:34] <rimdeker> roentgen: For me yes, the main reason why I prefer using compiz/emerald is that kwin crashes quite often on my lapto
[20:34] <rimdeker> p
[20:34]  * James147 has never every seen kwin crash :S)
[20:34] <rimdeker> roentgen: To be honest, I also find it a lot more pleasing visually.
[20:34] <roentgen_> rimdeker: what video card with what driver?
[20:34] <rimdeker> roentgen_: Intel
[20:34] <roentgen_> James147: same here... kwin doesn't crash
[20:34] <roentgen_> plasma and other things maybe
[20:35] <roentgen_> rimdeker: oh Intel shouldn't be labeled a video card
[20:35] <James147> i havent even seen plasma crash in a while
[20:35] <roentgen_> it's more of a pixel maker
[20:35] <mr-rich> Ok, I'm about to drop the hammer on the upgrade to Natty ... any "Gotchas" I should be aware of?
[20:35] <[dlp]> I have some *really* unpleasant graphical things happening.
[20:35] <BluesKaj> rimdeker, kwin doesn't crash it's something else causing X to crash
[20:36] <BluesKaj> anyway bbl  ...stuff to do
[20:36] <[dlp]> Where has xorg.xonf gone?
[20:36] <[dlp]> .conf
[20:36] <roentgen_> newer xorg don't it
[20:36] <rimdeker> roentgen_: Well, the pixelmaker just works fine with compiz. The window after the crash tells me that some whatever module of kwin has crashed. Anyhow, that doesn't really matter.
[20:36]  * mr-rich used Fedora Core for years and is understandably afraid of upgrading
[20:37] <[dlp]> ?
[20:37] <James147> [dlp]: newer xservers dont use xorg.conf anymore
[20:37] <[dlp]> I see.
[20:37] <[dlp]> So. er. where do I start?
[20:37] <roentgen_> [dlp]: so what is wrong?
[20:38] <rimdeker> I like the new Grub menu, by the way, I like that shade of blue lol
[20:38] <James147> [dlp]: saying waht problems your hving might help
[20:38] <[dlp]> Lost hardware graphics support.
[20:38] <[dlp]> Not a custom built module.
[20:38] <roentgen_> rimdeker: have you reported the kwin crashes to bugs.kde.org?
[20:38] <James147> [dlp]: what version of kubuntu?
[20:38] <[dlp]> 11.04
[20:39] <James147> [dlp]: which drivers/card?
[20:39] <[dlp]> upgraded from 10.10
[20:39] <[dlp]> Intel Grpahics Media Accelerator 900
[20:39] <[dlp]> stock drivers
[20:39] <[dlp]> (by stock I mean from Ubuntu repo)
[20:40] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj, I was finally able to fix the problem ..
[20:40] <[dlp]> Don't know the module name (for lsmod)
[20:40] <[dlp]> And apparently don't know how to configure X any more,
[20:41] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj, it was indeed a modules problem. particularly the open source brcm80211 broadcom module,
[20:41] <dudu7_> hi, I'm new in kubuntu and I have a little problem with sound, volume of my videos and musics are low, I tried to run kmix but it doesn't open
[20:41] <[dlp]> System history: 10.04 CD -> 10.10 (barely tested) -> 11.04
[20:42] <[dlp]> Via apt
[20:42] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj, what I did was to blacklist it and install the freedom hating wl binary module and since then I have been able to boot my system with wireless turned on.
[20:42] <bigbrovar> phew! too me 3 days to get this far
[20:44] <[dlp]> Ah the i915 driver I think.
[20:44] <[dlp]> It's loaded.
[20:44] <[dlp]> But I don't think X is using it.
[20:44] <[dlp]> And now that xorg.conf doesn't exist I don't know how to tell it to.
[20:46] <mr-rich> Hello, Ok, I'm about to drop the hammer on the upgrade to Natty ... any "Gotchas" I should be aware of?
[20:46]  * mr-rich used Fedora Core for years and is understandably afraid of upgrading
[20:46] <James147> mr-rich: if your afriad then wait a week or 2 for any issues to become known
[20:47] <mr-rich> James147: probably a good idea ... FC has made me a little gun shy ... :)
[20:47] <BluesKaj> [dlp], which graphics card?
[20:48] <James147> BluesKaj: he said intel
[20:52] <BluesKaj> no patience again, welcome to the age of instant gratification expectations
[20:52] <BluesKaj> probly googled it himself
[20:53] <[dlp]> And I have another problem.
[20:54] <[dlp]> After I set up encfs, I found that it would auto-unmount.
[20:54] <[dlp]> And cause problems,.
[20:54] <[dlp]> (home dir/pam_encfs)
[20:54] <Philippe_P> well upgraded graphically to 11.04 without a glitch :)
[20:55] <[dlp]> This will probably affect vanilla ubuntu users too.
[20:55] <[dlp]> Philippe_P: Off a CD?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> [dlp], to create an Xorg,conf : sudo Xorg -configure
[20:59] <Philippe_P> nope off the net, it just went great !
[21:02] <BluesKaj> Philippe_P, KDE seems more stable than the gnome offerings now ..there's more than a few problems with that cartoney desktop nowadays
[21:03] <[dlp]> Will X still read /etc/X11/xorg.conf by default?
[21:03] <IppatsuMan> Hi all. On Kubuntu 10.10 with fglrx drivers (2:8.780-0ubuntu2) I radomly get "blue screens" (actually, they are blue with white-ish vertical stripes). When it happens, the system completely locks. I can not restart X using alt+backspace and sometimes the alt+sys rq key sequence does not work either and I have to hard reset my laptop. /var/log/Xorg.0.log does not report any interesing entry when this happens. Any hint on how to debug th
[21:03] <IppatsuMan> is issue?
[21:03] <James147> [dlp]: if it exists yes
[21:04] <[dlp]> ok
[21:04] <[dlp]> Is there a more 'proper' place to specify driver now?
[21:06] <Philippe_P> BluesKaj: well we had our bad days at the 4.0 times ...
[21:07] <tommis> how i can get kde to display time in 24 hour format?
[21:09] <Philippe_P> tommis: config -> localization -Date & Time
[21:09] <Philippe_P> i think
[21:10] <tommis> Philippe_P: there isn't any option for that
[21:10] <[dlp]> Well my X conf is definitely f**ked.
[21:11] <Philippe_P> tommis: Time format should be HH:MM:SS
[21:12] <tommis> yes it is, in the menu
[21:12] <tommis> but i wan't plasmoid thingy to display it that gind as well
[21:13] <Philippe_P> that might be the plasmoid that does not take the system settings correctly ...
[21:13] <tommis> Philippe_P: it is the default plasmoid...
[21:17] <Philippe_P> tommis: i don't know then , maybe you need to logoff , log on but it is a maybe
[21:17] <tommis> well i just installed...
[21:18] <Philippe_P> tommis: here it has always benn 24h format so ...
[21:18] <Philippe_P> been
[21:18] <[dlp]> Actually come to think of it I don't think I was using an xorg.conf before.
[21:18] <[dlp]> Not on that system, anyway.
[21:18] <tommis> maybe because the different regions...
[21:19] <[dlp]> Hmm.
[21:21] <Philippe_P> I'm gone ... bye
[21:22] <[dlp]> Server load is starting to ease by the looks of things.
[21:23] <puneet> hello
[21:24] <puneet> hello
[21:24] <puneet> i really want some help here
[21:24] <puneet> i cant run my reliance net connect on kubuntu
[21:24] <puneet> have read a lot of forms about it but none in use
[21:24] <FloodBotK1> puneet: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:25] <bodom> Hi folks!
[21:26] <bodom> Mi kubuntu upgrade got interrupted AGAIN because of a power loss. I was able to recover the system and manually complete the apt upgrade, anybody knows what else should I do now to complete the release advance?
[21:27] <puneet> Hello , i really need some help here
[21:27] <James147> bodom: which version are you on? (lsb_release -a)
[21:27] <puneet> i cnt access my reliance net connect
[21:27] <bodom> James147: 11.04
[21:28] <puneet> so cant use net, i have read a lot of forums but all in vain....please if someone is using is using it on kubuntu , installed it can you tell me how you
[21:28] <bodom> but I suppose I missed some post-upgrade tasks
[21:28] <James147> bodom: then just "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install -f kubuntu-desktop"  << that should make sure everything is uptodate and isntalled
[21:29] <dudu7_>  hi, I'm new in kubuntu and I have a little problem with sound, volume of my videos and musics are low, I tried to run kmix but it doesn't open
[21:29] <bodom> James147: I've already done that... nothing else?
[21:29] <James147> bodom: think the postupgrade steps are incorprated into the installing of the packages... dont think you will be missing anything
[21:29] <bodom> James147: oh, wonderful. I love you guys
[21:29] <James147> bodom: if your system works then I would say no
[21:30] <James147> bodom: from what I know an upgrade use to be just ... edit the repos run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ...
[21:31] <bodom> James147: If I'm not wrong, there was some other steps on the upgrade progress interface. Is there any way to manually get the upgrade script and check what is supposed to do?
[21:31] <James147> bodom: my just says "... installing... cleaning...restarting"
[21:31] <James147> not sure what the cleaning stage does
[21:32] <yofel> IIRC the only thing update-manager does after that is clean up some obsolete packages
[21:32] <topyli> what was this nice ebook reader/manager system? i forget the name
[21:32] <James147> yofel: so alonglthe lines of apt-get clean? or actaully removing packages?
[21:32] <bodom> James147: well, missing "cleaning" doesn't look so bad. At worst, guess I'll have some unused files on my HD
[21:32] <yofel> James147: actually removing packages, like 'sudo aptitude remove ~o' does
[21:33] <puneet> anyone using reliance net connect here....can you tell me how u installed it on kubuntu...i am using kubuntu 10.04
[21:33] <gomiboy> topyli: calibre?
[21:33] <yofel> (I think)
[21:33] <James147> bodom: ^^ then run that command :)
[21:33] <topyli> gomiboy: yes! thank you
[21:33] <bodom> I'm gonna apt-get --purge autoremove then
[21:33] <James147> at elast it should really hurt
[21:33] <yofel> bodom: that should probably do most too, yes
[21:33] <James147> bodom: does that work?
[21:34] <James147> um, thinking about autoclean :)
[21:34] <bodom> James147: yes, it's working
[21:34] <yofel> well, it probably runs autoclean too, but that's only for the cache I think
[21:34] <bodom> rebooting now (cross fingers)
[21:34] <James147> bodom: yeah :) just getting my commands mixed up, was thinking --purge --autoclean... which didnt make sence to me :D
[21:35] <James147> yofel: yeah :)
[21:35] <bodom> it booted! And it doesn't ever exploded on my face. Sounds good.
[21:36] <bodom> New desktop, new grub, new kde,... fine
[21:36] <James147> bodom: I think most of the problems from an intrupted upgrade are when people reboot before making sure everything was installed :)
[21:37] <bodom> James147: that was my case (power failure, forced reboot) but looks like I got lucky
[21:43] <laomaiweng> Talking of rebooting after an interrupted upgrade, that sounds to be like what I just did... xD
[21:44] <laomaiweng> And now I apt-get doesn't want to update anymore.
[21:44] <bodom> laomaiweng: apt-get -f install
[21:44] <bodom> laomaiweng: and/or dpkg --configure -a
[21:44] <bigbrovar> HI guys, got couple of question about xubuntu, 1, does xubuntu come with pulse audio? two are there any tool for xfce for configuring bluetooth?
[21:44] <laomaiweng> It throws a E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be
[21:44] <laomaiweng> caused by held packages.
[21:44] <bigbrovar> damn wwrong channel
[21:44] <laomaiweng> bodom: Doesn't do anything. No error, but nothing to do.
[21:45] <laomaiweng> Tells me it has 1855 packages that need upgrade though.
[21:45] <bodom> laomaiweng: well, looks like you wasn't as lucky as me, let's try to solve it
[21:46] <laomaiweng> bodom: apt-get upgrade seems to run fine: I didn't let it proceed, but it does list all the packages it wants to upgrade.
[21:47] <bodom> laomaiweng: you should have some logs on /var/log/dist-upgrade/
[21:47] <laomaiweng> bodom: However apt-get dist-upgrade is not happy: throws the same error as above, speaking about "openoffice.org-common : breaks: openoffice.org-dmaths (< 1:3.3.0-7) but 3.2.1 will have to be installed"
[21:49] <James147> laomaiweng: what happens if you run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[21:49] <bodom> laomaiweng: do you have held packages? dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[21:52] <laomaiweng> James147: roughly translated from french: reads packages list, builds dependency tree, reads status information, computes upgrade --> FAIL with unstatisfied dependencies for openoffice
[21:52] <laomaiweng> bodom: Doesn't return anything.
[21:53] <bodom> laomaiweng: /etc/apt/sources.list is pointing to natty?
[21:53] <bodom> laomaiweng: if yes, try an apt-get update just to be sure
[21:54] <puneet> hello
[21:55] <puneet> anyone using reliance net connect here.....please tell me how you installed it
[21:56] <debg_> anyone know how to enable font aliasing ? I tried doing it via system-setting but it doesn't work . the fonts look bad in my laptop .
[21:59] <katsrc> debg_: they usually take effect after you close a KDE app
[21:59] <laomaiweng> bodom: Sorry, connection problem. As I was saying, apt-get update works fine with Natty repos.
[22:00] <katsrc> debg_: try logging in and out
[22:00] <debg_> yes, I rebooted after enabling it . But it didn't change
[22:00] <katsrc> debg_: what settings are you using exactly?
[22:01] <debg_> it created a .fonts.conf in the home directory
[22:01] <bodom> laomaiweng: well, so you only have to fix openoffice in some way and then you should be able to resume the upgrade process
[22:01] <katsrc> debg_: that's probably why
[22:01] <bodom> laomaiweng: the point is, which way :D
[22:01] <debg_> katsrc: http://paste.kde.org/39355/
[22:02] <katsrc> i did a fresh install and enabled it to full without forcing DPI
[22:02] <katsrc> debg_: make sure you also if you've installed proprietary drivers that your DPI for you monitor is correct
[22:03] <katsrc> that really improved my font rendering
[22:03] <debg_> I am using inspiron 1525 with intel graphics , Do you know if there is any proprietary driver ?
[22:04] <lionzw> 00
[22:05] <bodom> laomaiweng: maybe you can try to uninstall it and then install it back later
[22:06] <James147> debg_: there are non for intel
[22:07] <laomaiweng> bodom: I'm going through logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade, and it seems openoffice is just the tip of the iceberg.
[22:09] <laomaiweng> bodom: I'm trying another do-release-upgrade to be sure I have the most recent logs.
[22:09] <Linkmaster> Query: how do you install a *.tar.gz file that has no config in it? theres a file that shows up blue that says 'makefiles' do I simply punch 'make' then 'sudo make install'? Without configuring anything?
[22:09] <maco> Linkmaster: is there an INSTALL file?
[22:09] <maco> or README?
[22:09] <maco> those'd usually tell you
[22:09] <debg_> I thought so, even the xresource also looks fine --> http://paste.kde.org/39361/
[22:09] <bodom> laomaiweng: does it starts?
[22:10] <Linkmaster> theres a README, but it contained nothing useful. Just some things changed, I looked at it already trying to troubleshoot myself
[22:10] <jinzougen> Hello, I'm trying to get my compose key setup to work and am having a lot of trouble. I'm on KDE4.something
[22:10] <jinzougen> I have it set up like the ubuntu wiki says I should in the regional language area.
[22:11] <jinzougen> kde 4.4.5
[22:17] <laomaiweng> bodom: It starts, but failed again. It does get the update from the Natty repos, but cannot seem to actually upgrade anything.
[22:18] <bodom> laomaiweng: sorry, looks like it's a situation over my skills
[22:19] <Linkmaster> maco: any ideas?
[22:20] <laomaiweng> bodom: Thanks a lot for the help anyway. =) I'll try to dig into the logs, see if I can find anything.
[22:21] <gomiboy> Linkmaster: if 'makefiles' is blue, it's a dir :3
[22:21] <maco> Linkmaster: whats in the makefiles directory? ... "Makefile"s?
[22:22] <BajK> so, I think tomorrow morning I will format my mom's pc and install natty :D since it is really quicker and her pc is so slow
[22:23] <Linkmaster> maco: theres a README in there..its telling me some things that don't make too much sense to my young budding linux mind
[22:26] <Linkmaster> I opened up the makefile.linux, and its talking about ELF..is that not related to my *buntu distro at all, is it?
[22:27] <gomiboy> Linkmaster: elf is linux executable format, so it is related
[22:27] <Linkmaster> okay..so, how is the config.in related?
[22:27] <OchoZero9> when i click on  the update manager and try to apply changes it asks for my SU pass, then after a few seconds  I get a message ' Cannot get the exclusive lock or Please close any other legacy pa
[22:28] <OchoZero9> when i click on  the update manager and try to apply changes it asks for my SU pass, then after a few seconds  I get a message ' Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend.  Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open. ' Sorry I had to make the message box bigger
[22:29] <Linkmaster> That means your running a package manager and/or terminal
[22:29] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Either try to `ps -ef | grep PACMAN` replacing PACMAN with 'synaptic', 'dpkg', 'apt-get'... Or simply reboot and try again.
[22:30] <Linkmaster> laomaiweng: you got me to it xD
[22:31] <laomaiweng> Linkmaster: My first inspiration was 'reboot', but I thought that was too Windows-like behaviour. =P
[22:31] <OchoZero9> okay
[22:31] <OchoZero9> with sudo?
[22:31] <Linkmaster> I love linux - reboot only on distro and OchoZero9 yes, with sudo
[22:32] <Linkmaster> laomaiweng: anyways, to finish, reboot only on distro upgrades. So useful
[22:32] <OchoZero9> we'll see what they are going to do with windows 8
[22:32] <OchoZero9> it's probably alpha already
[22:33] <OchoZero9> win 7 is pretty solid
[22:33] <OchoZero9> I think they are going to overhaul the UI , and concentrate on tablets
[22:33] <Linkmaster> gomiboy: do you happen to know of a package that contains the source files for MNG?
[22:34] <gomiboy> Linkmaster: don't even know what mng is
[22:34] <OchoZero9> I dont understand what I did
[22:35] <OchoZero9> sudo ps -ef | grep synaptic
[22:35] <OchoZero9> [sudo] password for ecinx:
[22:35] <OchoZero9> ecinx     3798  3732  0 17:34 pts/1    00:00:00 grep --color=auto synaptic
[22:35] <Linkmaster> Hm :l I'll see if I can figure it out
[22:35] <jinzougen> I don't mean to sound whiny, but I'd really like some assistance with my compose key issue.
[22:35] <jinzougen> :( I feel like I've tried everything.
[22:36] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: This command outputs all processes that have 'synaptic' somewhere in their name.
[22:36] <gomiboy> Linkmaster: try just renaming makefile.linux to Makefile... and maybe move it to the package root dir
[22:36] <OchoZero9> ok
[22:36] <Linkmaster> okay, I shall do that gomiboy
[22:36] <James147> jinzougen: compose key?
[22:37] <jinzougen> I want to compose characters, James147
[22:37] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: If it only outputs grep itself (which it does, apparently), then synaptic is not running. Try with 'apt-get', 'dpkg', 'aptitude' instead of 'synaptic'.
[22:37] <jinzougen> e.g. add an umlaut with the compose key + " + vowel.
[22:37]  * James147 isnt entirly sure what that means
[22:37] <James147> ahh
[22:37] <laomaiweng> jinzougen: What kind of keyboard do you have?
[22:37] <laomaiweng> jinzougen: Sun keyboard?
[22:37] <jinzougen> lenovo T400
[22:38] <jinzougen> But i have KDE set to just generic 104-key
[22:38] <James147> jinzougen: you tried fiddeling with the settings at System Settings -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout?
[22:39] <jinzougen> Yeah, but trying different assignments all over the place.
[22:39] <OchoZero9> imma sell my lenovo 201
[22:39] <OchoZero9> and get a 220
[22:40] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: If you don't get anything other than only 'grep' for all these package managers, then I don't know, and I'd suggest rebooting. =P
[22:41] <puneet> is anybody using relianc netconnecct here on kubuntu
[22:41] <OchoZero9> I got three lines with apt-get
[22:41] <OchoZero9> pastebin or put it here?
[22:42] <OchoZero9> the first 2 don't have grep written on them
[22:42] <laomaiweng> jinzougen: Did you try the dead-keys layouts?
[22:42] <jinzougen> laomaiweng, what are those?
[22:43] <maco> the ones that let you use right-alt (AltGr) to type special characters
[22:43] <maco> like i hit AltGr+shift+4 to get £
[22:43] <OchoZero9> not related to the current problem. Is there a Swype for linux?
[22:44] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Great, this means apt-get is running somewhere. You'll need to get rid of it, but without killing it.
[22:44] <jinzougen> maco, I don't know how to enable those?
[22:44] <jinzougen> .*
[22:44] <IppatsuMan> OchoZero9: to find processes that are currently locking the packaging system, try running: sudo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[22:44] <James147> OchoZero9: yes there is a native linux skype client that I dont think have ebeen updated in yeatrs
[22:45] <James147> o wait swype :)
[22:45] <OchoZero9> laomaiweng: that's what I thought because you said that if it only says grep.
[22:45]  * James147 should read things
[22:45] <OchoZero9> James147: swype is awesome
[22:45] <James147> OchoZero9: I never liked it much
[22:45] <OchoZero9> on your phone for example will allowyou to have the EVO instead of EVO shift
[22:46] <OchoZero9> You won't understand that last message If you are not in the US
[22:46] <OchoZero9> probably
[22:46] <James147> nop
[22:46] <OchoZero9> it will allow you to eliminate the physical keyboard from the phone
[22:47] <maco> jinzougen: same way you change keyboard layout for anything else.... qwerty/dvorak/colemak...
[22:47] <OchoZero9> and have a similar convinence of speed and accuracy
[22:47] <James147> OchoZero9: there are other keyboards that can do that ^^ though this isnt really the place to talk
[22:47] <OchoZero9> what if it's a widget?
[22:47] <James147> OchoZero9: and as far as I know there are not predictive widgets keyboards
[22:48] <maco> Dasher?
[22:48] <James147> though it is possible to create one ^^ OchoZero9, if you are intrested I would create a feature request if there isnt one already
[22:49] <laomaiweng> jinzougen: System Settings -> Input devices -> Keyboard -> Layouts -> Add a layout -> Variants
[22:49] <OchoZero9> I'll look into that tomorrow or saturday
[22:49] <laomaiweng> jinzougen: Or something close. You should see variants that talk about dead keys there.
[22:50] <OchoZero9> Dasher sounds familiar
[22:50] <maco> OchoZero9: its a gnome predictive onscreen keyboard
[22:50] <OchoZero9> Tablet:~$ sudo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[22:50] <OchoZero9>                      USER        PID ACCESS COMMAND
[22:50] <OchoZero9> /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       3331 F.... apt-get
[22:50] <FloodBotK1> OchoZero9: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:50] <OchoZero9> sorry
[22:51] <OchoZero9> maco: does it work everywhere, or only on gnome?
[22:51] <jinzougen> laomaiweng, I do, but I have the dvorak one selected
[22:51] <jinzougen> There is no dvorav with dead keys but there is a dvorav international
[22:52] <jinzougen> I have it on regular with dead keys right now but am still having trouble
[22:52] <jinzougen> I can type an umlaut now but with no compose function
[22:52] <OchoZero9> I've used Dvorak and loved it many years ago
[22:52] <jinzougen> yeah I can type in both but I use dvorak when I have a choice
[22:52] <maco> OchoZero9: should be able to type into anything i would think
[22:52] <Fleck> help, i cant install fglrx
[22:53] <Fleck> on 11.04
[22:53] <OchoZero9> i've used it for a little over a year but i don't see the benefits of relearning it
[22:54] <OchoZero9> everything is qwerty everywhere
[22:54] <OchoZero9> when I used it I didn't work and wasn't in school or anything so it suited me
[22:54] <jinzougen> Just about the only thing that is easier to type in qwerty is ¨qwerty¨
[22:54] <OchoZero9> now time is an a great issue
[22:54] <jinzougen> ... now my right double quote is stuck on umlauts....
[22:55] <jinzougen> I think I have fucked up my input settings
[22:55] <laomaiweng> jinzougen: Try different layouts. If you can't use the Compose key, maybe you can use " followed by a/e/u/whatever to get a ä/ë/ü/ẅḧäẗëvër.
[22:55] <OchoZero9> dog is easy to type in qwerty
[22:55] <OchoZero9> also, jinzougen I din't program back then
[22:55] <OchoZero9> Or used LaTeX and VIm
[22:56] <OchoZero9> well laTeX isn't a problem like programming and vim
[22:56] <jozefk> what' the differnce between cd and dvd version? is it the DVD also live?
[22:57] <OchoZero9> what do I do now? /var/lib/dpkg/lock:  root       3331 F.... apt-get
[22:57] <OchoZero9> That's what's locking it I guess
[22:57] <puneet> anybody using reliance netconnect here?
[22:57] <jinzougen> OchoZero9, I do. No problems.
[22:57] <gabriel___> hello all
[22:58] <puneet> on kubuntu 10.04
[22:58] <puneet> i am not able to connect to my net
[22:58] <gabriel___> wireless?
[22:58] <jinzougen> Is there a program that reads my keystrokes and shows me what it sees?
[22:58] <OchoZero9> You are going to have to tell me the secret tomorrow
[22:58] <jinzougen> So I can know if a key is dead or if it's mapped to something else?
[22:59] <puneet> gabriel__
[22:59] <OchoZero9> I think there is. I've used one a few months ago
[22:59] <jinzougen> OchoZero9, i can't used emacs with a qwerty layout. I mess up all the command sequences.
[22:59] <puneet> gabriel__: no, its reliance net connect data card
[22:59] <IppatsuMan> jinzougen: xev
[22:59] <jinzougen> xev?
[22:59] <gabriel___> then I don't know sorry, I have never had that problem.
[23:00] <James147> jozefk: more languages more packages on the cd... there should be no difference bettween the installed versions though... and anything on the dvd you can get form the repos after you ahve installed... the only advantage is if you need to install it on a system with no internet connection
[23:00] <jinzougen> i don't HAVE to use emacs with a qwerty layout though. The point is I learned the muscle memory on dvorak.
[23:00] <James147> ^^ or need the extra languages in teh isntaller
[23:00] <IppatsuMan> jinzougen: it's an application that opens a window and writes on console every event it receives (included keystrokes)
[23:00] <OchoZero9> I think it took me 2-3 days to relearn qwerty
[23:00] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Yes, 3331 is the locking process. Use `ptree -H 3331 -p` and you should see him and his ancestors highlighted.
[23:01] <OchoZero9> ptree: command not found
[23:01] <OchoZero9> If i need to dl ptree, I can't lol
[23:01] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: My bad, pstree. =)
[23:01] <OchoZero9> oh ok
[23:02] <OchoZero9> wtf...! looks really nice
[23:02] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Yes it does! Just discovered this command. =P
[23:03] <OchoZero9> it's not going to help me in my finals tommorrow although it's somewhat related
[23:03] <OchoZero9> to the graphs section of datastrc& algorithms
[23:03] <OchoZero9> What do I do with this tree?
[23:03] <laomaiweng> Look up process 3331, and see who his ancestors are.
[23:04] <laomaiweng> See if you know any of them: a bash shell for example.
[23:04] <OchoZero9> is there a way to do a CTRL F or something?
[23:04] <OchoZero9> my screen is only 12 "
[23:04] <OchoZero9> or to make the font smaller
[23:05] <OchoZero9> i don't know anything about bash or shell. I found it though
[23:05] <OchoZero9> it has 3 kids , triplets, http
[23:06] <OchoZero9> parent is sudo
[23:06] <OchoZero9> and sudo's parent is init(1)
[23:06] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Parent for bash? Or for the blocking apt-get?
[23:06] <OchoZero9> sudo is the parent of apt-get
[23:07] <OchoZero9> I don't know why this isn't color coded, it's just a little bolder.
[23:09] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: And sudo's parent is directly init, the root of thre tree?
[23:09] <OchoZero9> yep
[23:09] <OchoZero9> the leafs are http, three of them
[23:09] <OchoZero9> apt-get's kids
[23:11] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Then try to `kill -TERM PID`, replacing PID with on of apt-get's children. Maybe this will help him get moving.
[23:12] <orys> hello ;-)
[23:12] <OchoZero9> I think it worked
[23:13] <OchoZero9> i called the tree again and init isn't bold
[23:13] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Hooah then. =)
[23:13] <orys> anyone have few minutes to spare? I was just upgrading and, well, it does not went smoothly :P
[23:13] <OchoZero9> sudo kill -TERM 3338  << I did that first then >>  sudo pstree -H 3331 -p
[23:14] <orys> actually I am sitting on liveCD now trying to recover my grub ;-)
[23:14] <dsaadsdas> hello i need help
[23:14] <dsaadsdas> the command "sudo /etc/init.d/ccpd start" should start at systemstart
[23:14] <OchoZero9> udo fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock comes blank
[23:14] <dsaadsdas> how to do
[23:14] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Try again the update you wanted to do, see if it's fixed. =)
[23:14] <laomaiweng> orys: What went wrong?
[23:14] <dsaadsdas> the command "sudo /etc/init.d/ccpd start" should start at systemstart
[23:14] <dsaadsdas> how to do
[23:15] <orys> laomaiweng: well, it was all OK, going smoothly for about 4 hours
[23:15] <OchoZero9> I don't think I'm going to remember this sequence in the future
[23:15] <orys> then computer get frozen
[23:15] <orys> so I waited some time
[23:15] <laomaiweng> dsaadsdas: When do you get this error?
[23:15] <dsaadsdas> what error
[23:15] <orys> but as no change, I just had to reset it with a button
[23:15] <orys> and now it does not got up
[23:15] <orys> even as far as to grub :(
[23:15] <orys> I managed only to start it from liveCD.
[23:15] <dsaadsdas> the command "sudo /etc/init.d/ccpd start" should start at systemstart
[23:15] <orys> and googling for solutions...
[23:16] <laomaiweng> dsaadsdas: Well, I guess the message you put there is an error message, isn't it?
[23:16] <dsaadsdas> no
[23:16] <dsaadsdas> i want the command let start
[23:16] <OchoZero9> I'm logging some of the commands to keep a reference.
[23:16] <dsaadsdas> but how
[23:16]  * OchoZero9 doesn't know linux
[23:16] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: This shouldn't happen very often, it's rare that apt-get gets stuck this way.
[23:16] <yofel> dsaadsdas: add a link to /etc/rc2.d/ with update-rc.d
[23:17] <dsaadsdas> i dont know how !!
[23:17] <dsaadsdas> i am noob
[23:17] <laomaiweng> orys: Ok, can you mount your computer's Linux partition from the LiveCD.
[23:17] <OchoZero9> cool.. but it helps me derive other cases and learn
[23:17] <orys> yes, no problem
[23:17] <orys> all seems to be working fine.
[23:17] <OchoZero9> I've been using linux for 2-3 months on and off
[23:17] <yofel> dsaadsdas: read update-rc.d --help ? usually 'sudo update-rc.d ccpd defaults' should do it I think
[23:18] <James147> !grub2 | orys
[23:18] <OchoZero9> Mostly because Microsoft's excellent software called OneNote
[23:18] <dsaadsdas> yofel in gnome its so easy
[23:18] <laomaiweng> orys: Then `mount -o bind /DIR /path/to/mountpoint/DIR` with DIR being in turn 'proc', 'sys', 'dev'.
[23:18] <dsaadsdas> i must -> preferences -> startprograms
[23:18] <dsaadsdas> why is it in kde so difficult
[23:18] <dsaadsdas> u
[23:18] <yofel> dsaadsdas: *that* is for user services, everything in /etc/init.d is supposed to be a system service
[23:19] <yofel> (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
[23:19] <yofel> dsaadsdas: and did you look at system settings -> startup and shutdown ?
[23:19] <dsaadsdas> yofel
[23:19] <dsaadsdas> yes but dont know
[23:20] <dsaadsdas> there stands programms and scripts
[23:20] <orys> laomaiweng: hm, been reading the link from james147
[23:20] <yofel> dsaadsdas: I would guess click on add program, browse to /etc/init.d/ and add that?
[23:21] <dsaadsdas> oh cool
[23:21] <yofel> but usually you would manage stuff in /etc/init.d/  would be managed by runlevels
[23:21] <dsaadsdas> do you think it works
[23:21] <yofel> s/would be managed//
[23:21] <dsaadsdas> s
[23:21] <yofel> maybe, I haven't tried something like that yet
[23:21] <dsaadsdas>  -> [00:20] <yofel> dsaadsdas: I would guess click on add program, browse to /etc/init.d/ and add that? -> hope
[23:21] <laomaiweng> orys: Well if that works, then great. =)
[23:22] <orys> well, don't know yet
[23:22] <orys> I am not good at it, to be honest
[23:22] <yofel> dsaadsdas: try it, I don't know if it's really going to work, but I would expect it to
[23:22] <orys> I am lucky linux user, as I rarely have any problems
[23:22] <orys> so despite of using it for 7 years + now
[23:22] <dsaadsdas> thanks
[23:22] <orys> I am still a bit lame :D
[23:22] <orys> and without mc I am like toddler in the fog
[23:22] <orys> as I don't remember any commands :D
[23:23] <laomaiweng> orys: If you want to learn, try a more troublesome distro. ;-)
[23:23] <orys> I don't.
[23:23] <orys> I used to run Mandrake, then Debian
[23:23] <orys> I had my share
[23:23]  * gomiboy suggests gentoo :D
[23:23] <orys> then I switched to kubuntu
[23:23] <orys> and for last few years I managed to forgot everything :D
[23:23]  * laomaiweng learned a lot running Gentoo. xD
[23:24] <orys> my friend is just trying to set up gentoo
[23:24] <orys> he sits on it 4 days already
[23:24] <orys> and just swears on irc :D
[23:24] <laomaiweng> Ouch... =P
[23:24] <orys> but when I asked him for help, he said he won't help me as kubuntu sux :D
[23:24] <orys> well...
[23:24] <orys> everyone to his taste, I guess :-)
[23:25] <yofel> 4 days? come on, you can do that in one. Depends on how fast your CPU is though ^^
[23:25] <James147> yofel: I dont know ^^ took me 6 hours to compile qt on my netbook once :D
[23:25] <laomaiweng> yofel: Depends on how your computer gets along with Xorg... xD
[23:25] <yofel> James147: that's actually not too slow for qt ^^
[23:26] <James147> yofel: was probally more then 6 ^^
[23:26] <James147> yofel: i wasnt really counting and my computer went to sleep a couple of times :D
[23:26] <yofel> heh
[23:26] <aperson> I can't get desktop effects working with the nvidia proprietory driver.  My xorg.conf is: http://pastie.org/1845232
[23:27] <yofel> aperson: any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[23:27] <aperson> lets take a peek
[23:27] <OchoZero9> lao it worked
[23:28] <laomaiweng> OchoZero9: Great. =)
[23:28] <OchoZero9> thanks
[23:28] <aperson> yofel⤻ nothing that I see that'd inhibit anything.  http://pastie.org/1845241
[23:29] <OchoZero9> now how can I update fast?
[23:29] <yofel> OchoZero9: "fast" ? usually it's 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[23:30] <OchoZero9> but supposedly it's using slow mirrors
[23:30] <aperson> I'm getting 34kbps from the main mirrors
[23:30] <yofel> OchoZero9: switch to a different mirror ?
[23:31] <yofel> yeah, archive.ubuntu.com will be SLOW today
[23:31] <OchoZero9> that's less than 56k
[23:31] <aperson> eh, if you had 56k, you'd probably be getting 10kbps tops
[23:32] <OchoZero9> it checks your bandwidth then gives you a percentage of it? 1/6th?
[23:33] <OchoZero9> I have over 1000kBps available
[23:33] <OchoZero9> or over 12000kbps
[23:33] <orys> ok
[23:33] <orys> so I followed the james147 link
[23:33] <OchoZero9> and it was downloading at 34kbps for me too
[23:34] <yofel> use a mirror, archive.ubuntu.com might be the most up-to-date server, but it's the slowest too usually
[23:34] <orys> and I came as far as to ubuntu@ubuntu:/boot/grub$ sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/disk /dev/sda3
[23:34] <orys> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR.  This is a BAD idea..
[23:34] <orys> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
[23:34] <orys> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: if you really want blocklists, use --force.
[23:34] <orys> ubuntu@ubuntu:/boot/grub$
[23:34] <FloodBotK1> orys: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:34] <OchoZero9> ohh wow, university of southflorida is the fastest one :)
[23:34] <OchoZero9> they are my neighbors
[23:34] <orys> sorry, I hoped it won't go to so much lines :-)
[23:34] <James147> orys: you on a mac?
[23:35] <orys> James147: no, on PC, from live cd
[23:35] <James147> ir not use /dev/sda not /sdv/sdaX
[23:35] <orys> ?
[23:35] <laomaiweng> orys: Yes, /dev/sda seems better than /dev/sda3.
[23:35] <orys> ah, you mean I just should...
[23:35] <orys> ah.
[23:35] <orys> OK.
[23:35] <orys> it's to device, not to partition.
[23:35] <orys> Good to know
[23:36] <orys> I am off to try it again ;-)
[23:36] <orys> Installation finished. No error reported.
[23:36] <orys> much better.
[23:36] <orys> :-)
[23:36] <orys> ok guys
[23:36] <orys> thanks for now
[23:36] <FloodBotK1> orys: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:36] <orys> and I am off to reboot.
[23:36] <orys> FloodBotK1: give me a break, I am just a talking man :D
[23:37] <orys> (I know that he's a bot, I am just having a laugh :P)
[23:37] <laomaiweng> orys: We'll see you later about the upgrade I guess. =P
[23:37] <OchoZero9> wow it was hours remaining. now it's only 9 minutes LOL
[23:37] <orys> laomaiweng: I hope I will manage, but I glad that I have some backup :-)
[23:37] <OchoZero9> I bet if i was in school it would be even faster
[23:37] <orys> brb (I hope :P)
[23:39] <OchoZero9> 1.3MB/s beats 0.00425MB/s,4.25KB/s
[23:46] <orys> hello again, cruel world of the IT :-)
[23:46] <orys> so: no changes ;-)
[23:46] <orys> still, switch the computer on, there is cursor blinking in the corner, then there is no cursor blinking in the corner and that's about everything what happens.
[23:46] <orys> any ideas?
[23:47] <orys> or I got one. It was possible with mandrake to just install new one on the old one, it was installing itself without need of formatting hard drives etc... Do you think it is possible? Or it will be easier to find the source of my problems?
[23:48] <orys> oh poor james147... I don't blame him :D
[23:49] <orys> welcome again! ;-)
[23:49] <laomaiweng> orys: Don't know what will be easier... Grub completed without error, so that's strange you don't even see Grub start.
[23:50] <yofel> well, grub is hidden by default, so unless you tell it to show up you don't see it
[23:50] <yofel> (hidden unless you have multiple systems)
[23:50] <orys> yofel: in that case it means that the system is f*ked
[23:50] <laomaiweng> Ok, I never saw it hidden, but then I always had double-boot.
[23:50] <orys> yofel: I have XP on that pc as well.
[23:50] <laomaiweng> orys: It did show up before, didn't it? If so, I guess it should also show up now.
[23:50] <yofel> orys: hm.... try to hold left shift pressed when the bios screen comes up, maybe that will show something then
[23:51] <yofel> if it still doesn't show up it's broken indeed
[23:51] <laomaiweng> Do you have qemu on the LiveCD? xD
[23:51] <orys> laomaiweng: yes, off course.
[23:51] <orys> laomaiweng: I don't even know what quemu is. Should I be worried? :-)
[23:51] <orys> yofel: that some idea, will try.
[23:52] <yofel> nah, qemu is vritualization
[23:52] <yofel> *virtualization
[23:52] <laomaiweng> orys: qemu is a virtual machine. You could use it to boot off your hard disk without rebooting.
[23:53] <orys> hm
[23:53] <laomaiweng> `qemu -hda /dev/sda` works well here. I never dared going past the grub screen as I'm scared of breaking things, but at least the Grub screen does show up.
[23:53] <orys> and then have system in system, and then start another one in that one, and so to the infinity. That smart.
[23:54] <laomaiweng> Well, I guess an infinite loop would require a pretty massive amount of computing power. =P
[23:54] <kaiuwe> can't you just stop always announcing "We switched to GStreamer for the Phonon backend, which gives us better HTML5 video support."?!
[23:54] <kaiuwe> oh I forgot
[23:54] <kaiuwe> "No support" + better = still no support
[23:55] <orys> laomaiweng: these are only some minor problems to solve ;-)
[23:55] <orys> ok
[23:55] <orys> I have two options to try
[23:55] <orys> I go try both
[23:55] <orys> see you l8er folks!
[23:55] <orys> :-)
[23:55] <FloodBotK1> orys: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:56] <orys> ahh, what's the annoying bot. FloodBotK1: I am longer on IRC than you are, you won't teach me how to chat :P
[23:56] <orys> bbl
[23:57] <EagleScreen> hello
[23:58] <EagleScreen> how can i proceed to disable blur in kwin?
[23:58] <EagleScreen> what is blur?
[23:59] <yofel> EagleScreen: system settings -> desktop effects -> all effects -> uncheck 'Blur'
[23:59] <yofel> it makes the background of transparent plasma windows blurry