[00:04] <bryce_> tjaalton, wacom still in the build queue?  I'm not spotting it on packages.ubuntu.com yet
[00:08] <jcristau> NEW maybe?
[00:24] <Sarvatt> yep stuck in new right next to libxcb
[00:25] <RAOF> No-one loves nouveau :(
[00:26] <RAOF> At least, no one in the kernel team seems to have enough spare time to love nouveau.  I wonder why? :)
[00:28] <bryce_> RAOF, I'm poking around about it privately to see if I can stoke up some activity
[00:29] <bryce_> RAOF, I've got a bunch of nouveau tasks I need to get cracking on if we're going to do it, or cross off my list if we're going to leave it to MM
[00:30] <RAOF> Right.
[00:32] <bryce_> RAOF, and I gather you're in the same situation as me
[00:33] <bryce_> sconklin, apw, ^^
[00:33] <RAOF> Well, I'd just like to know what the end result should look like before investing work in it :)
[03:39] <LLStarks> hey bryce, what's the status of i915 gallium?
[03:40] <LLStarks> err bryce_
[06:34] <tjaalton> bryce_: yep, in the queue
[06:35] <tjaalton> LLStarks: err, ask upstream?
[06:36] <RAOF> Or try it out; it's easy enough to build.
[06:36] <tjaalton> right
[06:38] <tjaalton> jcristau: should mesa-common-dev depend on libdrm-dev? bug 490811
[06:39] <tjaalton> at least the reasoning looks sane
[10:00] <Ng> erk, switch user just did horrible things :o
[10:00] <Ng> vt7 looked to all the world like a console, but was still X and I jolly nearly typed my password into IRC ;)
[10:01] <bryce_> Ng, heh leftover graphics bits
[10:04] <Ng> eurgh, I had to reboot. I managed to get X back with some xrandr -s trickery, but when I dropped back to vt1 to log that out I could see everything I just typed in IRC here in the console bash's history :/
[10:04] <Ng> (and I never did get to switch user ;)
[10:05] <Ng> but this is lucid, so I expect breakage, I just have to figure out if I should be filing a bug :)
[10:31] <tseliot> bryce_, Ng: I guess this happened (if user switching triggered the problem): http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/Xorg.1.log
[10:33] <Ng> hrm, lemmie check the logs
[10:34] <tseliot> Ng: you shouldn't be able to reproduce the problem if you boot without the "splash" parameter
[10:34] <Ng> yep I have an Xorg.1.log very similar to seb's
[10:38] <tjaalton> my boot just hangs in plymouth
[10:38] <tseliot> tjaalton: with what driver?
[10:38] <tjaalton> tseliot: intel
[10:39] <tseliot> can you see the splash?
[10:39] <tjaalton> yes
[10:39] <tseliot> it works with both ati and intel here
[10:39] <tseliot> oh
[10:39] <tseliot> did you file a bug report about it?
[10:40] <tjaalton> no
[10:41] <tseliot> please do when you have the time
[10:41] <tjaalton> without splash and quiet it goes fine
[10:42] <tseliot> nothing interesting in the logs?
[10:43] <tjaalton> the boot process doesn't generate any logs
[10:43] <tjaalton> X didn't get up
[10:43] <tjaalton> never got that far
[10:44] <tseliot> maybe upstart didn't launch gdm
[10:51] <tjaalton> bug 511121
[10:51] <tseliot> thanks
[10:51] <tjaalton> so it stops after mountall
[10:52] <tjaalton> c-a-del reboots it nicely
[10:52] <tseliot> that's all the output you get on a normal boot
[10:52] <tseliot> normal = when it works well
[10:53] <tjaalton> yeah looks like I didn't disable quiet after all
[10:54] <seb128> tseliot, btw do you want a bug with my log?
[10:55] <seb128> tseliot, or do you have one?
[10:55] <tseliot> seb128: I wanted to ask you to file one
[10:55] <seb128> tseliot, ok, on xserver-xorg?
[10:56] <tseliot> seb128: it might be that plymouth is the cause
[10:56] <tjaalton> nothing more without quiet
[10:57] <tseliot> seb128: so, please assign it to plymouth
[10:57] <seb128> ok
[11:19] <seb128> tseliot, bug #511134
[11:20] <tseliot> seb128: thanks
[16:13] <tjaalton> huh, so I got the wacom already, and attaching it hung the server :)
[16:18] <tjaalton> yep, the driver crashed
[16:29] <tjaalton> oh wait, that was an older snapshot, the one I uploaded works \o/


[11:59] <phalor> When I run (ufw allow in on ens3 proto tcp from any port any to <IP_ADDRESS> port 25), it says "ERROR: Could not find protocol". Does anyone know why?
[12:01] <sixwheeledbeast> have you tried reordering the syntax?
[12:02] <phalor> Accoring to the manual, its in the correct order
[12:03] <sixwheeledbeast> ok if that's what manpage says. i have never used "in on" and "proto" together.
[12:03] <phalor> Thanks anyway :)
[12:19] <sixwheeledbeast> ufw allow in on ens3 proto tcp from any port 25 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 25
[12:20] <phalor> That won't work. The connection will come in from random ports
[12:31] <sixwheeledbeast> something must be expecting traffic on a specific port? be it here or downstream?
[12:31] <phalor> sorry man?
[12:32] <phalor> yeah a mail server is expecting traffic
[12:32] <phalor> i need to get it through the firewall
[12:33] <sixwheeledbeast> so you'd need one rule for each port or pass all the traffic through
[12:33] <phalor> exactly, so i am trying to pass port 25 through
[12:34] <phalor> no sorry, i am not trying to reroute the server with this command, though that is what is happening with iptables, but its unrelated
[12:36] <sixwheeledbeast> You can do "any port > any port" or "port 25 > port 25" but not "any port > port 25"
[12:37] <phalor> from any... port any...
[12:37] <phalor> from any ip addres... from any port...
[12:38] <sixwheeledbeast> so if your expecting multiple ports inbound then route each one. 25, 587, 465, 2525 etc?
[12:38] <phalor> thats not how it works, inbound ports will be random
[12:41] <phalor> take care
[18:35] <maru> hello :) I've got question about clock in ubuntu mate 22.04 beta
[18:35] <maru> it shows 2022:35
[18:36] <maru> where 2022 is year (?) and 35 in [min]
[18:36] <maru> *is
[18:36] <maru> i want it to show hh:mm
[18:36] <maru> not yyyy:mm
[18:36] <maru> how to set it?
[19:04] <superkuh> Right click, preferences.
[19:05] <superkuh> I don't think it can display 2022:35 though.
[19:05] <superkuh> That's weird.
[19:14] <maru> wait a moment for print screen :D
[19:16] <maru> https://zapodaj.net/e115bb78b95a6.png.html
[19:16] <maru> preferences looks OK for me
[19:16] <maru> but it says 2022:16 :D
[19:31] <superkuh> Sometimes the clock applet needs you to toggle preferences before they take effect is some other thing had changed the gconf/dconf prefs settings.
[19:31] <superkuh> And vice versa.
[19:31] <superkuh> I notice this a lot changing my clock from shell scripts.
[19:31] <superkuh> Although I suppose you've toggled a bunch in trying things.
[19:32] <maru> :)
[19:32] <superkuh> If nothing else, remove that clock applet.
[19:32] <superkuh> Then add a new one.
[19:32] <superkuh> Or try adding a second.
[19:32] <superkuh> To see if it behaves badly too.
[19:33] <maru> yes I changed to manual settings, set other time, back to auto
[19:33] <maru> OK I will try to remove it and add new clock
[19:40] <maru> new clock works good! yay! :D
[19:40] <superkuh> Cool.


[09:27] <walrider> pavlushka: bhai
[09:27] <pavlushka> walrider: yes
[09:27] <pavlushka> u-la-la: কেমন আছ?
[09:27] <u-la-la> টাকা নাই
[09:28] <walrider> laptop e windows  opengl 4.2 install kora bt xubuntu te opengl 4 er thekeo kom install kora ase upgrade korar try korsi but kaj hoy ni apni aktu help korben ei bepare ?
[09:28] <pavlushka> u-la-la: entertain walrider
[09:28]  * u-la-la pours coffee on walrider and runs for his life
[09:28] <walrider> xubuntu 14.04.4 amd64 install kora ase
[09:29] <pavlushka> walrider: you have to download the latest source of opengl for linux and compile, that seems to be the only way.
[09:29] <walrider> apne aktu dekhen teamviewer diye :|  im tired of trying :|
[09:30] <pavlushka> walrider: or look for any PPA is available for it for the latest.
[09:30] <walrider> 3 din ghataia o kono fayda hoy ni
[09:30] <walrider> ppa add kora hoise
[09:30] <pavlushka> walrider: give me the site address if possible.
[09:30] <walrider> but oita te upgrade korle 14.14.5 er karnel shoho upgrade chay
[09:31] <walrider> oita te abar amd radeon HD 6320 er graphics supported na ki jano amon kisu akta error ase oi karnel e
[09:31] <walrider> oi karnel ta xenial e use kora hoise
[09:32] <pavlushka> walrider: give me the paste of "sudo lspci -nnk" and "uname -a".
[09:32] <pavlushka> of your machine
[09:32] <walrider> just a sec
[09:37] <walrider> pavlushka, bhai
[09:37] <walrider> command gula arek bar den
[09:39] <walrider> pavlushka, bhai
[09:39] <pavlushka> walrider: give me the paste of "sudo lspci -nnk" and "uname -a".
[09:40] <walrider> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23892718/
[09:41] <walrider> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23892720/
[09:41] <walrider> have a look
[09:45] <pavlushka> walrider: give me some time, I'll look into it sure :)
[09:46] <pavlushka> walrider: the "uname -a" info is missing
[09:47] <pavlushka> ok, got it
[09:47] <pavlushka> walrider: and can you give the "lsb_release -rd" ?
[09:47] <walrider> problem hocche no easy way to install / upgrade OpenGL from older to newer , in AMD radeon HD 6320
[09:48] <walrider> on ubuntu 14.04.4  am64
[09:48] <walrider> amd64
[09:48] <pavlushka> aha
[09:50] <pavlushka> walrider: is this the default kernel or you've install the newer version manually?
[09:50] <walrider> default tai  chilo
[09:50] <walrider> now i am not sure if its upgraded or somthing
[09:51] <walrider> lsb_release -rd : Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[09:51] <pavlushka> walrider: 14.04 default is 3 series, 4.2 is may be for 15.10
[09:51] <walrider> 14.04.5 hoia gese
[09:51] <walrider> dekhen
[09:52] <pavlushka> aha
[09:52] <walrider> ami upgrade cancel kore disi evry time
[09:52] <walrider> what the actual heck ? :|
[09:52] <walrider> tar por o 14.04.5 hoy kamne
[09:52] <pavlushka> walrider: will see.
[09:52] <pavlushka> walrider: you must be missing something
[09:53] <pavlushka> anyways
[09:53] <walrider> i need letest information about these OPENGL staff on ask ubuntu
[09:53] <pavlushka> !info trusty
[09:53] <walrider> those info i follow earlier was outdated
[09:53] <walrider> and there is no one out there to make letest article about it
[09:53] <walrider> lel
[09:53] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg trusty
[09:53] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Trustee A legal term which, in its broadest sense, can refer to any person who holds property... :: Trusteer A Boston-based computer security division of IBM, responsible for a suite of security software. :: Trusty system (prison) A strict system of discipline and security in the United States made compulsory under Mississippi... :: Trustee model of representation A model for how we should understand the role of representa
[09:54] <pavlushka> u-la-la: ddg trusty tahr
[09:54] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Uhh... DuckDuckGo has no Instant Answer on that
[09:55] <pavlushka> !info trusty tahr
[09:55] <walrider> long term support shesh naki trusty er ?? :|
[09:55] <pavlushka> 2019 e
[09:56] <walrider> ami goto kal akta msg pailam kono app er support goto koyekdin age shesh hoise oitat notification pailam
[10:00] <pavlushka> u-la-la: tell walrider to check https://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life
[10:00] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Okay, I'll tell walrider on freenode
[10:01] <pavlushka> !trusty
[18:51] <pavlushka> Hello zaki
[18:57] <pavlushka> feeling sick, cant stay anymore, see ya


[00:00] <Eickmeyer> Oh, omission. Fixing.
[00:03] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: Good catch!
[01:29] <OvenWerks> The following packages will be upgraded:
[01:30] <OvenWerks> sorry wrong line...
[01:30] <OvenWerks> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[01:30] <OvenWerks> cpufrequtils libcpufreq0
[01:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[01:32] <OvenWerks> however, it did not remove /etc/default/cpufrequtils
[01:35] <OvenWerks> I don't know if we should look for a way (via install script) to remove this
[02:16] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Probably needs to be an install script. Basically "if exists (/etc/default/cpufrequtils) rm /etc/default/cpufrequtils" (forgive me, my syntax is sewage).
[02:18] <OvenWerks> The only problem with that is if the user has installed cpufrequtils for their own purposes
[02:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, was about to say.
[02:19] <OvenWerks> Without the cpufrequtils package the file doews nothing and would not hurt anything
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> Do we even bother? Perhaps just stick that in the release notes as something that *may* need to be deleted if persistence problems occur?
[02:19] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, you're right. If cpufrequtils isn't installed, it shouldn't matter.
[02:20] <Eickmeyer> Can't imagine anything else calling that file.
[02:21] <OvenWerks> Anythingn that does is "broken"  ;)
[02:21] <Eickmeyer> Hehe, indeed.
[02:23] <OvenWerks> Quite honestly, for todays kernels cpufrequtils is broken
[02:24] <OvenWerks> even for 14.04 and before they were broken
[02:24] <OvenWerks> At least the part that sets governors at boot time.
[02:25] <OvenWerks> (which is the part of that package the file is used by)
[02:33] <Eickmeyer> True, besides, it can be done with different tools now. I can't get it to work from the command line without using something else.


  Happy Tuesday, and happy IT Professionals' Day! 😃
[09:26] <diddledan> JamesTait: good day for everyone in here :-p
[09:30] <JamesTait> Indeed, diddledan. ☺  I don't always choose randomly. 😉
[09:30] <diddledan> \o/
[09:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtWTUt2RZh0
[09:52] <arsen_> It's IT Professionals day? :o
[09:52]  * arsen_ starts acting professional
[09:52] <popey> foobarry: you used modaco.. i just got notification from https://haveibeenpwned.com/
[09:52] <popey> that they have been hacked
[10:33] <foobarry> oh thanks
[11:02] <foobarry> turns on notifications on the pwned site
[11:07] <popey> wise
[11:09] <diddledan> I've just done that, too
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> shouldn't the internet have a reverse betteridge law for urls? :-)
[11:09] <foobarry> think i changed my password in february by coincidence
[12:35] <diddledan> https://github.com/bartobri/no-more-secrets
[12:36] <diddledan> that is totes amazeballs
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> there were a few dos based viruses that did similar effects iirc
[12:36] <diddledan> lol
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> it was a simpler time...
[12:37] <diddledan> how many screensavers were made of the matrix effect?!
[12:37] <diddledan> (I used to have one!)
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> they're kinda the equivalent of text editors, everyone has a project to do one...
[12:38] <zmoylan-pi> then you just go feck it and choose vim...
[12:39] <diddledan> that's a big backlash from making your own
[15:59] <sebsebseb> hey look no other name
[15:59] <sebsebseb> ,but wh'y's that??
[16:00] <popey> wat?
[16:01] <DJones> sebsebseb: Can you ask your question in English, Doesn't make any sense
[16:01] <sebsebseb> DJones: it should to some here :)
[16:01] <sebsebseb> why don't I have my other name ?
[16:01] <DJones> sebsebseb: Check your client
[16:01] <sebsebseb> DJones: no that's not the right answer :d
[16:01] <sebsebseb> I know exactly why
[16:02] <DJones> And no, your question didn't make any sense at all
[16:02] <sebsebseb> DJones: probably since you haven't seen me or enough with the other name, a uhm m tablet name
[16:02] <DJones> "sebErm, yes I have
[16:02] <DJones> sebsebseb: Yes I have
[16:02] <sebsebseb> why am I not using that name, that's my question
[16:03] <sebsebseb> and no it's not since certain people here apparntly loved it h eh
[16:03] <DJones> You probably need to ask in #freenode as #ubuntu-uk has no control over your nick, its either a freenode issue or a user issue
[16:09] <sebsebseb> DJones: no it's not that
[16:09] <sebsebseb> DJones: quite simpally since not using the tablet that's the answer :d
[16:09] <sebsebseb> certain people uhmm  weren't so keen on the tablet name
[16:09] <sebsebseb> using a lap top right now so not that name
[16:10] <sebsebseb> just my old boring name for lap tops
[16:14] <popey> sebsebseb: updated your tablet to OTA-13?
[16:16] <sebsebseb> popey: not just yet,  but will later :)
[16:17] <sebsebseb> being able to copy and paste between  native apps and libertine will be useful at times :)
[16:17] <popey> yeah
[16:17] <popey> so I'll bite, why aren't you sebsebsebbqm10tabletlongname?
[16:18] <sebsebseb> popey:  since as menioned above :d,  it was to do with accounts really. and passwords, why I  had a name like that as well, differnet device diffenrt name, what's my uhmm password for htis account uhmm....  and a bit of fun as well.  why not have a differnet name on the tablet or for now ?
[16:18] <sebsebseb> but using lap top right now
[16:18] <sebsebseb> so on the standard old name
[16:19] <popey> :)
[16:19] <sebsebseb> popey: I remember a guy who used to have three similar names in IRC, to do with the distro, but then it started looking like he had names on old releases to, since how those names were done, but no it was actsaully each computer with Mageia
[16:21] <popey> probbaly idleone, he registered loads of nicks of release names
[16:22] <DJones> sebsebseb: No worries, I understand your first comments now, apologies for the  misunderstanding
[16:23] <sebsebseb> popey: no one of the former Mageia contributers, ( who sadly has died as well)  it was a Magiea channel as well.
[16:23] <sebsebseb> DJones: it's ok, no problem :)
[16:23] <DJones> sebsebseb: I misunderstood, so just wanted to apologise
[16:23] <popey> yeah, it's getting to the point where we're all getting older, and some of the people we worked with are dying off
[16:24] <DJones> What are we going to do when Linus passes away ?
[16:24] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah he got ill etc lung cancer,  shame, since he had such plans etc as well
[16:24] <sebsebseb> get to come across some awesome people of various types in open source really :)
[16:26] <sebsebseb> DJones: or even Richard Stallman? but wow 60 and still travlling the world, doing his two hour long talks
[16:27] <DJones> sebsebseb: 60's nothing, I'd just class that as middle age now
[16:27] <sebsebseb> DJones: some people die before 60 as well hmm :(
[16:27] <DJones> sebsebseb: I think age bands have jumped about 20 years though, my parents about to hit 80 and heading to Australia
[16:28] <sebsebseb> yes for some reason we livev longer now in general
[16:28] <sebsebseb> well in developed counteries
[16:28] <popey> yeah, my nan hit 100 this year
[16:28] <sebsebseb> even though the world generally is much more polluted now hmm
[16:28] <DJones> Quite true
[16:29] <sebsebseb> but that guy was only 50's which is ashame
[16:30] <davmor2> popey: did you request the telemessage from the Queen?
[16:30] <popey> we got one
[16:30] <popey> and one from Ian & Duncan Smith
[16:30] <sebsebseb>  was going to maybe meet him once, but didn't happen
[16:30] <popey> which she scoffed at
[16:30] <sebsebseb> anyway
[16:30] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[16:30] <sebsebseb> davmor2: popey uh what's this
[16:30] <davmor2> popey: but liked the one from the Queen right :)
[16:30] <popey> yeah
[16:31] <popey> sebsebseb: when you are 100 you get a letter from the queen and a letter from the home secretary
[16:31] <sebsebseb> oh
[16:31] <sebsebseb> oh didn't know that
[16:34] <sebsebseb> popey: so what's in the loco pack? apparnatly getting one of those for the event :)
[16:34] <sebsebseb> that's good
[16:35] <sebsebseb> popey: I mean like how much of things...
[16:42] <popey> not sure, I think it's listed on the wiki
[16:43] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah probably on a page I was on before, anyway should be good, thanks to the community team for accepting :)
[16:43] <sebsebseb> popey: apparantly there's an issue with usb sticks though, but can make own
[16:44] <popey> np
[16:46] <sebsebseb> popey: I  know with Ubuntu touch you don't say to the public to just go and buy it etc,  but do you think showing convergence for example, could be interesting.  or using it even to say  project  some open movies onto the projecter
[16:48] <popey> Demoing convergence is a neat thing to do, especially if you can show convergent apps across multiple platforms.
[16:52] <sebsebseb> popey: multiple platfors as in ? with android as well or what do you mean?
[16:53] <sebsebseb> the idea is to show Linux in a few or so forms, plus have some creative commons thing in the event ot make it more interesting to people
[16:54] <sebsebseb> popey: I think the event needs spreading on Facebook better than it has been so far,  it's mentioned in certian other places as well though,  and the venue itself will have people coming there all day anyway, but hmm
[17:25] <ali1234> are there any really good converged apps yet? by which i mean apps where the desktop and phone interfaces look completely different, not just all three pages of the phone UI shown side by side
[17:26] <ali1234> also, any real converged productivity apps?
[18:07] <zmoylan-pi> i've been using mobile since 94 when i got my first psion... then i just wanted some simple apps like text editor, spreadsheet and flat file database to have mobile data.  it's now 2016 and i'm seriously thinking i should just spring for an ancient psion as it did mobile so well and nothing new seems to match it's flexability
[18:31] <knightwi1e> how do you mean flexibility
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> i could usually put any data i wanted in a presentable readable form that could be worked on desktop or mobile in those 3 apps.  when i started using the psion language opl to automate stuff as well
[18:57] <diddledan> https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/20/apple-3-5mm-to-lighting-adapter-teardown/
[19:09] <foobarry> sigh another evening on xdadevelopers
[19:09] <foobarry> putting nougat on my touchpad
[19:09] <foobarry> deciphering forum posts
[19:35] <awilkins> Which version of Debian does Xenial correspond to roughly?
[19:35] <awilkins> Aha, stretch
[19:36] <awilkins> Ta
[19:58] <diddledan> awilkins: glad I helped
[20:29] <Safiyyah> i need help setting up my scanner there is something wrong. Please note that is worked before on xubuntu14.04 and has now refused to work on 16.04, the printer i working (its a brother all in one)
[20:31] <safiyyah_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23208703/
[20:32] <Safiyyah> the command sane-find-scanner returns an error please see above link
[23:22] <daftykins> yay at Natwest adding Android Pay support - and by extension, Guernsey Natwest too \o/
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> now those criminal gangs can move away from cloning devices on atms and target wireless payment systems in peoples pockets...
[23:25] <daftykins> \o/
[23:25] <daftykins> it's all good, they have off buttons ;D
[23:26] <daftykins> http://imgur.com/a/t3V0f
[23:26] <daftykins> couple of snaps from my travels
[23:26] <daftykins> got to see the baseball team i follow play at home \o/
[23:48] <zmoylan-pi> and the new antennae gate will be that you have to hold the phone a certain way to block the signal... wearing your plate armour full faraday cage gauntlets of course...
[23:49] <daftykins> nah just turning NFC off - plus it can't be used if you don't wake your device / unlock it with some transactions apparently
[23:52] <zmoylan-pi> i see rfid blocking wallets for sale everywhere these days
[23:56] <daftykins> oh i'm sure you can ebay tinfoil hats too :)
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> lead foil... till i can source a depleted uranium foil variant... :-P
[23:58] <daftykins> i jest, i do refuse contactless cards from my bank - at least it doesn't have the logo but someone said it might still work anyway


[00:37] <stormzen> On Ubuntu 14, is can the network service be stopped with sudo service networking stop?  It fails for me.  I'm trying to establish if this is normal behavior.
[00:37] <stormzen> -is
[00:46] <knome> stormzen, first, this is not the ubuntu support channel (this is for xubuntu), and second, there is no version "14", though i guess you are referring to 14.04
[00:50] <stormzen> knome, Yes, 14.04.1 ... I thought xubuntu was a form of ubuntu?  No one at ubuntu has answered my question.   ... I waited a bit before seeing if I could find the answer elsewhere.  It seems like it should be an easy answer to determine.  I've never had networking fail to stop or restart on me before.
[00:52] <knome> sure, xubuntu shares the same core, but that kind of general questions are best asked on the main channel - especially if you are running ubuntu, because people here might not know all of the things that might have an effect on the issue at hand
[00:56] <stormzen> Fair enough.
[00:59] <nomic> nfs?
[01:09] <LinusTorvaldsII> hi is knome here?
[01:12] <pleia2> LinusTorvaldsII: please direct your support questions to the whole channel :) many folks here can help, not just knome
[01:14] <LinusTorvaldsII> thank you
[01:17] <knome> LinusTorvaldsII, humm?
[01:17] <LinusTorvaldsII> hello knome
[01:17] <knome> ...yes?
[01:17] <LinusTorvaldsII> i am in offtopic may i speak too u there
[01:48] <anrold> i need some help with low/critical/action battery notifications
[01:49] <anrold> i've changed the settings in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power but they are completely ignored
[01:58] <LinusTorvaldsII> http://askubuntu.com/questions/92794/how-to-change-critically-low-battery-value
[01:59] <anrold> i've done that but it doesn't work
[01:59] <langit> how to install libre office offline?
[02:34] <holstein> langit: you can use the package manager of your choice.. "sudo apt-get install libreoffice" for example
[02:34] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
[02:35] <langit> ok, im go to wiki'
[04:01] <langit> hallo
[04:01] <langit> help please
[04:04] <ObrienDave> yes?
[04:18] <langit> how to install libre offline
[04:18] <langit> i have libre.tar.gz
[04:20] <xangua> extract it and install the deb file, if you have libreoffice or openoffice already installed remove them first
[04:21] <langit> oke, im try
[04:21] <ObrienDave> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
[04:22] <ObrienDave> easier to follow the instructions here ^^
[04:22] <ObrienDave> and safer
[04:23] <langit> yes
[04:23] <langit> im do
[05:04] <Whatakernel> Mornin!
[05:50] <zruty> Maybe someone can point me in the right direction: I had a data disk crash. The disk was mounted on my Downloads folder and doubles as my backup disk. I replaced the disk, but now it is constantly telling me it is read only.  What settings can I check? I already made it chown and chmod to accept everything but it is still telling me thet I need 'permission' to do whatever I am trying to do.
[05:51] <ObrienDave> zruty, did you set permissions in sudo mode?
[05:51] <zruty> Yep
[05:51] <zruty> Actually I never use sudo, I just su - root
[05:51] <zruty> and then do it
[05:52] <ObrienDave> we try to not discuss that mode here ;P
[05:54] <zruty> What mode?
[05:54] <ObrienDave> root mode
[05:54] <zruty> Why not?
[05:54] <zruty> Security, I bet...
[05:54] <ObrienDave> dangerous for newbies
[05:55] <ObrienDave> and security
[05:55] <zruty> Right.... welllllll...
[05:55] <ObrienDave> not a problem
[05:56] <ObrienDave> anyway, i don't know how to help you with this, sorry
[05:56] <ObrienDave> ask in #ubuntu
[05:57] <zruty> 's okay... I am just curious. What I did worked previously but seems not to, anymore...
[05:58] <ObrienDave> i've done it. i can't remember how LOL
[05:59] <zruty> ... I know what that is like!
[05:59] <ObrienDave> i'm getting old and slow. wife would ask, getting? ;P
[06:00] <zruty> ... my wife doesn't even ask anymore...
[06:00] <zruty> Anyway - I will be a bit off (more than usual) now...
[06:00] <zruty> Thanks though!
[06:00] <ObrienDave> ask in #ubuntu, someone there can help you
[07:29] <xubuntu25w> hi
[07:29] <xubuntu25w> i need help
[07:33] <gabkdlly> What do you need help with ?
[07:33] <xubuntu25w> place the taskbar at the bottom
[07:33] <gabkdlly> That is easy !
[07:34] <gabkdlly> Do you want  the whole panel at the bottom or just the task bar ?
[07:35] <xubuntu25w> whole panel
[07:40] <gabkdlly> So, in settings, go to the panel item.  In the Display tab, there is a checkbox for "Lock panel".  Uncheck that, and then you will be able to drag the panel to the bottom.
[07:41] <gabkdlly> Note that when you unlock the panel, an area is reserved to the left of the launcher for you to click on to drag the panel.
[07:41] <gabkdlly> Once you have moved your panel, you can lock it again if you want, if you want that button to drag your panel to be gone again.
[07:42] <gabkdlly> Does this solve your problem ?
[08:05] <xubuntu57w> hi
[08:06] <xubuntu57w> ı want to make taskbar some bigger
[08:06] <xubuntu57w> how can ı do that
[08:11] <koegs> xubuntu57w: right click on taskbar and choose settings
[08:11] <xubuntu57w> and
[08:12] <koegs> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/preferences
[08:13] <xubuntu57w> thx
[08:42] <gambitmen> ye;yf gjvjom
[08:42] <gambitmen> нужна помощь
[09:03] <deshipu> !ru | gambitmen
[11:50] <Hund> Test
[11:51] <knome> Fail
[14:23] <dypsilon_> Hi everyone, I like how ubuntu is grouping the system tray with window menu and close/minimize buttons is it possible to achieve something like that on xubuntu?
[14:29] <Hedgework> dypsilon_: Sorry, I don't know (I don't use the default UI), but if you hang around a bit I'm sure someone who does use it can answer.
[14:29] <Hedgework> dypsilon_: IRC is sometimes asynchronous. ;)
[14:30] <dypsilon_> Hedgework, yeah, thanks anyway
[14:33] <dypsilon_> Hedgework, what ui do you use?
[14:34] <Hedgework> dypsilon_: I use a tiling window manager called i3wm (or sometimes just "i3" for short)
[14:35] <Hedgework> I like to have as little chrome and such in my display as possible, so I can use all the screen real estate for working on things.  Also, I find it easier to type the program I want to launch than to click through a bunch of menus.
[14:35] <Hedgework> I mouse so often that if I forget to put my mouse back after borrowing it for another machine, it usually takes me an hour or two to notice. :)
[14:37] <dypsilon_> yeah, tiling wms are great, I thought about using one of those today, but I'm stuck with windows on my big machine. The Xubuntu installation is for my netbook but a tiling wm is probably not a good fit for a small screen.
[14:43] <Hedgework> See, I think it's best for small screens, because you can easily ditch all the title bars and such that waste precious screen space.
[14:43] <Hedgework> My windows have a 1px border all around -- just enough to change color so I know which window is selected -- and that's it.
[14:44]  * Hedgework shrugs
[14:44] <Hedgework> It's a matter of preference, but I've found it to be nice.
[14:44] <xubuntu880> Let me get this straight: I can ask for help while I'm installing my OS?
[14:44] <Hedgework> Yep.
[14:45] <xubuntu880> Sweet!
[14:45] <Hedgework> Isn't that one of the top-50 times you're most likely to need help?
[14:45]  * Hedgework thinks this is only logical.
[14:45] <xubuntu880> ...which is why M$ doesn't do it.  :grin:
[14:46] <dypsilon_> Hedgework, hm, that's a good point, I'll try i3 in a vm, let's see how it feels.
[14:46] <Hedgework> :)
[14:47] <xubuntu880> I *do* have a simple question: how do I set up a hard drive with Xubuntu that is hardware agnostic?  Way back when I had Mandrake on a HD that a friend loaned me, and I could drop it into any machine knowing that it would just... work.
[14:47] <dypsilon_> Hedgework, so I would just install i3 on top of the default xubuntu 14.04 then?
[14:48] <Hedgework> dypsilon_: I'm not sure whether they are included by default, but you'll probably also want: i3bar, i3status, dmenu, and a notification daemon of your choosing (the default xubuntu one is a bit kludgy-looking in i3)
[14:49] <Hedgework> dypsilon_: yep, you can select which environment to work in (xfce4, i3, etc) at login
[14:50] <dypsilon_> Hedgework, ah, thanks
[14:50] <Hedgework> xubuntu880: Xubuntu is *mostly* hardware-agnostic in the default install...that is, they compile every freaking thing under the sun into the kernel.  Where you might run into trouble is video drivers and whatnot, or systems where the X autodetection stuff isn't adequate...come to think of it, is there a reason you aren't doing a portable USB install?  I ask only because there are prebuilt images for it and
[14:51] <Hedgework> it might save you time/effort.
[14:51] <Hedgework> dypsilon_: np
[15:16] <dypsilon_> amazing how much faster xubuntu works compared to ubuntu
[15:16] <ObrienDave> we like it :)
[16:41] <sohail-ahmed> I have a little problem. Two of my apps are displaying strange characters while other programs are runinign fine. Here is the screen shot:
[16:42] <sohail-ahmed> I have having a little problem and have to show you a screen shot. What's the standard are for posting screenshots?
[16:45] <GridCube> !imagebin
[16:50] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: Thanks
[16:51] <sohail-ahmed> Here is the problem: At present two of my programs are displaying strange characters at their GUI. The rest of my system is working perfectly alright. For example calibre, I have also reinstalled it in vain. http://imgur.com/jEmiSI6 . Any help???
[16:58] <mewla4> newbie help was installing version 14 alongside xp pro. got to stage 4 install now, and have left it running it now appears to be frozen, mouse doesnt work and the cursor is not showing the revolving dots
[16:59] <mewla4> is it safe to just powerdown or is there a recognised reset procedure
[17:00] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, seems like you qt configuration files are calling for a different locale
[17:02] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, install qt4-qtconfig and use it to change the setting
[17:02] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: Thanks for responding. How can I solve this. Moreover let me repeat all other GUIs are working correct
[17:02] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, yes, all the other applications are using the gtk engine, not the qt one
[17:02] <GridCube> calibre uses qt to render its interface
[17:03] <GridCube> !qt
[17:03] <GridCube> !gtk | different from
[17:04] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: so I should do sudo apt-get install qt4-qtconfig
[17:04] <sohail-ahmed> corrct?
[17:04] <GridCube> yes
[17:06] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: I have installed the suggested package but this has not solved the problem.
[17:06] <GridCube> now, you go to the settings manager from the start menu, and at the bottom you will find the settings manager
[17:06] <sohail-ahmed> ok, then?
[17:07] <GridCube> open it, it will probably show you broken fonts as well, as its rendering in qt
[17:07] <sohail-ahmed> you mean qt4-settings?
[17:07] <GridCube> yes
[17:07] <sohail-ahmed> yes its showing me that font again.
[17:08] <GridCube> mmhm, yes
[17:08] <GridCube> second tab has the fonts settings
[17:08] <sohail-ahmed> its again the same langyuage
[17:08] <GridCube> yes
[17:08] <sohail-ahmed> so what to do now?
[17:09] <GridCube> try changing the fonts from there sohail-ahmed , even if you don't know what font you choose, you can't get worst
[17:09] <sohail-ahmed> which of the drop down is of fonts, since there are many.
[17:10] <sohail-ahmed> 4 of them
[17:10] <GridCube> yes, sorry, its the first one, but before you do anything, read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140957
[17:11] <GridCube> last comment seems to have the solution you need
[17:25] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: I am sorry to engage you for that long. But I could not correct the problem. Here is what I have done. I edited my locale file at the mentioned location with sudo, this is my file : http://pastebin.com/Bmcx2bKd . Then I did $ sudo locale-gen as isntructed. Here is the output: http://pastebin.com/W751UzgU. As you can see I am still getting ur_PK. and thus the calibre is still giving me that strange font
[17:27] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, you should probably add LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" to /etc/default/locale
[17:29] <GridCube> !locale
[17:29] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, ^ you could read that as well
[17:30] <sohail-ahmed> Thanks for the links. I am starting to read them but mean while let me update. adding the suggested LC_ALL has produced the same output
[17:30] <GridCube> well, sorry, i don't know what else to do
[17:31] <GridCube> :D at least you now know what the problem is
[17:31] <sohail-ahmed> you dont need to be sorry. you were very helpful
[17:31] <GridCube> once you get your locales fixed the problem will go away
[17:32] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, i highly recommend you backup and save all files before editing anything from them
[17:32] <GridCube> also revert them to default if changing something doesnt help
[17:33] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, also, it's very probable that locale changes don't apply until you relog
[17:34] <sohail-ahmed> ok let me relog
[17:35] <Synchunk> Hello, is there a way of replacing the default xfce login shell with a custom bash script?
[17:36] <holstein> Synchunk: there really isnt a default xfce login shell.. are you talking about the xubuntu greeter?
[17:37] <Synchunk> uh, yes
[17:37] <Synchunk> The thing that asks for your password. Sorry, kinda new to this stuff
[17:37] <holstein> Synchunk: so, you are talking about the graphical login? what are you trying to change?
[17:37] <Synchunk> I'd like to completely remove it and run a bash script instead (and then automatically log in)
[17:38] <holstein> !nogui
[17:38] <holstein> !text
[17:38] <Synchunk> Thanks, I'll take a look at that!
[17:38] <holstein> thats probably what you are looking for ^.. login into text mode, start what you like manually
[17:39] <Synchunk> thank you :)
[17:39] <holstein> or, you can "autostart" some script, which would be related to xfce
[17:42] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: Mean while I am reading the wiki's, here is an update. After logging in. $ locale shows the actually locale file unlike previously. http://pastebin.com/JgCuZuJ7 but the problem is still their.
[17:42] <GridCube> *there
[17:43] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, notice how all the other locales in the list you pasted have "", and the ones you edited do not
[17:45] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: I am sorry but I have not got your point.
[17:46] <GridCube> nothing, i just find it odd, the only ones that don't have the "" are those, maybe thats the problem? i don't know
[17:49] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, mind to try this? execute on a terminal: LC_ALL=en_US calibre
[17:52] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: LC_All = en_US is not possible, since en_U
[17:52] <GridCube> sohail-ahmed, no spaces
[17:53] <GridCube> anyway, it will probably fail
[17:53] <sohail-ahmed> GridCube: since en_US is not available on my computer as locale -a showsn. Instead LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 calibre lanuched calibre without any changes
[17:54] <GridCube> :/
[20:08] <milad1512> there is a them i want to install, spidervoid , how do i do it ?
[20:08] <milad1512> theme
[20:11] <knosys> hey guys, would mode 0755 be secure for public /var/www web directory?
[20:11] <knosys> maybe im offtopic, sorry then
[20:13] <Hedgework> No.
[20:13] <Hedgework> knosys: That says that every file in the directory should be treated as executable.
[20:13] <knosys> Oh, then notç
[20:13] <Hedgework> knosys: 755 on directories and 644 on files should be fine (assuming none of the files should be executable)
[20:14] <knosys> and then 755 on the index for example?
[20:14] <Hedgework> Also assuming that the apache (or other httpd) runs-as user is not the owner.
[20:14] <knosys> on the index file
[20:14] <Hedgework> if it's html it should be 644, if php you want executed for example then 755
[20:14] <knosys> php it is
[20:15] <knosys> okay, not only read but execute, got it
[20:15] <knosys> included file must have same permission also?
[20:16] <knosys> i think not, sorry if its a rookie question :)
[20:16] <xubuntu90w> during bootprocess the system answers three times: FILE NOT FOUND. What should I do?
[20:18] <knosys> xubuntu90w: maybe you could try enabling boot logging
[20:18] <knosys> and reboot to see those log later
[20:18] <xubuntu90w> the fault appears after upgrading to 14.04
[20:20] <knosys> xubuntu90w: in this file you could see if boot log is enabled i think: /etc/default/bootlogd
[20:20] <knosys> anyway if someone more experienced can help, better >.<
[20:20] <knosys> there you should find the line: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=
[20:21] <xubuntu90w> thanks
[20:21] <knosys> np
[20:21] <knosys> at least maybe there you could see which file's are missing
[20:24] <knosys> thanks hedgework :)
[20:24] <Hedgework> knosys: np
[20:37] <knosys> Hedgework: can i ask related to that? you said that apache service wont be the owner of the files?
[20:37] <knosys> i mean, the user that runs apache, shouldnt be the owner of those directories?
[20:37] <Hedgework> knosys: Apache should NEVER have write access to anything executable, EVER.
[20:37] <Hedgework> knosys: otherwise you end up in security hell
[20:38] <knosys> Yeah im scared about that. I just installed apache package, made few virtual hosts and enabled php... i wont forward ports until i got this cleared out
[20:38] <knosys> i dont even know what user is running apache service yet hehe
[20:40] <Hedgework> it's www-data by default on ubuntu
[20:40] <knosys> but im guessing its the same user i login with, the one that installed server
[20:41] <knosys> Is that a username? :_D
[20:41] <knosys> wait i think i need to search basic stuff on google. thanks again
[20:44] <Hedgework> good luck!
[20:46] <milad1512> anyone knows how to install themes ?
[20:46] <knome> milad1512, have you checked the documentation shipped with your system?
[20:47] <milad1512> what documentation ?
[20:48] <milad1512> knome , what do you mean ?
[20:48] <knome> milad1512, "help" in the applications menu describes how to install themes
[20:49] <knosys> hey hello there knome!
[22:04] <Naphatul> what do i need to do so my android device is available for mounting?
[22:06] <ObrienDave> mtp-tools
[22:06] <deshipu> I think thunar has mtp working out of the box in recent versions
[22:06] <ObrienDave> !info mtp-tools
[22:07] <deshipu> So you just have to connect it with an usb cable while the screen is unlocked
[22:08] <ObrienDave> that's how my S5 mounts, yes
[22:08] <Naphatul> deshipu, well it isn't mounting it
[22:08] <Naphatul> not even showing
[22:09] <Naphatul> dmesg: http://kopy.io/DNOy9#pIhAS6
[22:12] <deshipu> Naphatul: what version of android?
[22:12] <Naphatul> deshipu, 4.2.2
[22:12] <xangua> What ubuntu release?
[22:12] <Naphatul> 14.04
[22:13] <deshipu> Naphatul: on your device, go to settings, storage
[22:13] <deshipu> then press the menu button in the top right corner and select USB
[22:13] <Naphatul> it's set to mtp
[22:14] <deshipu> make sure it's set to MTP and not PTP
[22:14] <deshipu> oh, ok
[22:14] <Naphatul> ptp doesn't work either though
[22:14] <Naphatul> for what it's worth
[22:14] <deshipu> well, it would, but not in the file manager, only in the gthumb
[22:14] <deshipu> anyways
[22:15] <deshipu> maybe try those mtp tools...
[22:15] <deshipu> it should work though
[22:15] <deshipu> make sure the screen is unlocked when you are connecting -- I had a problem with that
[22:16] <deshipu> it should appear in the file manager in the side pane under "Devices"
[22:19] <Naphatul> mtp-tools says it's an unknown device, guess i'll submit it tommorow
[22:24] <Naphatul> guess ftp it is
[23:13] <nrgyzerbenny> The file  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume isn't there.
[23:13] <nrgyzerbenny> This is a problem becaus emy swap partition isn't working.
[23:14] <nrgyzerbenny> *my
[23:14] <nrgyzerbenny> *because


 I'm concerned this is a mistake I can't benefit from in anyway professionally
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tech.ula
 Install most major Linux distros within userland.  Including apt functional and they say you can get a desktop environment as well.  It's impressive.
 I installed Ubuntu, then I apt installed sl.
 On an Android device
 @RazPi - https://blog.arduino.cc/2019/01/31/cheeseborg-is-a-voice-controlled-robot-that-makes-grilled-cheese-sandwiches/?fbclid=IwAR07YSJIISnz9NPwnCZIy1nov-zGlPKR62V0Hcicz64grcVWrgoQZ5kUVk0
 This needs to happen
 I'm on it
 We do need to do the keyboard first however
 Ah, right, that project
 Yes, something tells me it will need to wait a few weeks as Judd is going out of town
 Ah
 @Ivoriesablaze when is the walk this year?
 @KMyers gawd I need this
 Anyone up for Coffee tomorrow? Thinking of working out of a coffee shop to work on a few projects