[00:12] <bobweaver> Hello there there is a person on the main channel that is having troubles with things showing up in the login menu like Unity 2d is there something in Ubuntu studio that is hindering that by default ?
[00:14] <zequence> bobweaver: nope
[00:15] <bobweaver> huh ubuntu studio uses lightdm ?
[00:15] <bobweaver> or gdm
[00:16] <bobweaver> I think that he is having this same issue
[00:16] <bobweaver> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148070/ubuntu-studio-i-unity-2d-installed-but-i-cant-see-anything
[00:16] <zequence> bobweaver: lightgdm. You can check with: apt-cache show ubuntustudio-desktop
[00:17] <bobweaver> cool
[00:17] <zequence> ubuntustudio-desktop is mostly derived from xubuntu
[00:17] <bobweaver> yeah that is cool so it is xfce DE with a bunch of cool stuff
[00:17] <bobweaver> I also seen at uds that it is on dvd now
[00:18] <zequence> I think the installation ISO for Ubuntu Studio has always been a DVD, because of the amount of packages
[00:19] <bobweaver> cool , Yeah I do not know much about it I am just a qt developer
[00:19] <bobweaver> well qml mainly
[00:19] <zequence> The choice of desktop is not the main priority for Ubuntu Studio, as it's based on multimedia. Of course, the desktop needs to be easy to use for multimedia
[00:20] <bobweaver> that is cool yeah I make my own spin off DE
[00:20] <bobweaver> spin off of Unity 2d
[00:20] <zequence> You were at UDS?
[00:20] <bobweaver> yeah
[00:20] <zequence> Me too. I did the plenary for Ubuntu Studio
[00:21] <bobweaver> I got sponsored for my work in Ubuntu TV
[00:21] <zequence> cool
[00:21] <bobweaver> ahh cool you are the blue shirt dude ?
[00:21] <bobweaver> get excited and make something
[00:21] <bobweaver> or something like that
[00:22] <bobweaver> I was there it was fun I learned alot
[00:22] <zequence> I believe I was wearing a grey sweater
[00:22] <bobweaver> I made video about it
[00:22] <bobweaver> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pER9B5Jo5dI
[00:22] <bobweaver> that was openshot
[00:22] <zequence> Yeah, it was inspirational. Nice to meet lots of people there too
[00:23] <bobweaver> here is the spin off that I have been working on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJUFSgaX5E0
[00:24] <bobweaver> can run ontop of xfce I do that for my myth setup
[00:24] <bobweaver> Well I asked the dude that is having troubles to join this channel after reboot if it is still not working
[00:25] <zequence> does unity-2d exist for all releases?
[00:25] <bobweaver> no
[00:26] <bobweaver> libunity and dee and some other libs changed to much
[00:26] <bobweaver> after 12.04
[00:26] <bobweaver> but the Phone is all in qml so I am wondering about all that zequence
[00:27] <whatisubuntustud> hey everyone
[00:27] <bobweaver> hello
[00:28] <whatisubuntustud> can ubuntustudio be used to create dubstep?
[00:29] <zequence> whatisubuntustud: Sure. It's not geared towards any specific type of genres
[00:29] <whatisubuntustud> does it have the ability to automate wobbles?
[00:30] <zequence> Sounds like you're looking for software tools/fx
[00:31] <zequence> I don't know what automated wobbles is, but I'm sure you can find a tool, or a combination of tools to suite your needs
[00:31] <whatisubuntustud> k thanks
[00:31] <zequence> Many sound fx are done with audio wave editors..
[00:31] <zequence> not with automated tools
[00:32] <zequence> or just mixing instruments with fx
[01:16] <bobweaver> So I am installing ubuntustudio to play around with it and test out some stuff. Id there anything that you all are doing that you are focusing on ?
[01:17] <bobweaver> In development that is
[01:41] <computer> Hi. Trying to get Unity 2d working. Tried most things. Is this an issue with Ubuntu Studio?
[01:43] <zequence> computer: no
[01:43] <zequence> computer: Which release?
[01:44] <zequence> bobweaver: Are you interested in helping out, or you're just curious? :)
[01:44] <zequence> bobweaver: I'd say our focus is on making multimedia easy for linux users
[01:44] <bobweaver> hey
[01:44] <computer> 12 Something....I forget....What's the code for terminal to find out?
[01:45] <bobweaver> yeah I was looking at the bugs that are on launchpad
[01:45] <zequence> computer: cat /etc/issue
[01:45] <bobweaver> hi computer  still no unity 2d in the logoin menu ?
[01:45] <computer> Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS \n \l
[01:45] <zequence> computer: Sure you installed it?
[01:46] <computer> No. computer crashed so had to remove gnome shell
[01:46] <zequence> In either way, it's not a problem cause by Ubuntu Studio
[01:47] <bobweaver> computer,  and you can launch unity-2d-shell still just can not see it in lightdm ?
[01:47] <zequence> I've found gnome-shell on 12.04 quite stable myself
[01:47] <bobweaver> +1 zequence
[01:47] <computer> Had to remove gnome shell using recovery mode :(
[01:48] <bobweaver> gezz it all sounds so strange computer
[01:48] <zequence> computer: Why? Cause I don't think removing it would affect your possibilities to get to the login screen
[01:49] <computer> Launch from where? Terminal? comes up with many issues in terminal...Buttons come to desktop then go after a while?
[01:49] <bobweaver> zequence,  I have had him install unity greeter and reinstall unity 2d and lightdm  and still he is not getting options for unity 2d in lightdm
[01:49] <computer> Would not even get to the log in screen so had to remove?
[01:50] <zequence> gnome-shell doesn't initialize until after you login, so it could not stop you from reaching the login screen
[01:50] <zequence> Anyway, i'm a bit busy. bbl :)
[01:50] <bobweaver> me too
[01:51] <computer> strange because after removing it the pc made it to the log in screen?
[01:53] <computer> Shame because ubuntu studio is a great system for running my electric guitar through but graphics slowing things down tooo much??
[01:54] <computer> Ok if your busy right now :)
[01:54] <zequence> computer: I gather you have an older computer with a graphic card that doesn't handle 3D acceleration?
[01:55] <zequence> You didn't like XFCE?
[01:56] <computer> Using Celeron 2.4 with intergrated extreme graphics.
[01:57] <bobweaver> computer,  all yes's  when running /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[01:57] <computer> Which works ok with the audio editing programs but graphics slow things down.
[01:57] <computer> I'll have a look.
[01:58] <zequence> computer: I'd recommend either XFCE or LXDE for low end machines
[01:58] <zequence> computer: You could install Lubuntu, and add the ubuntustudio-audio meta
[01:58] <zequence> Add yourself to audio group and install linux-lowlatency
[01:59] <zequence> Voila. You have UBuntu Studio with the LXDE desktop
[01:59] <zequence> Of course, the menu won't be the same (I think)
[02:00] <computer> Support test didn't work? This is a low latency OS. XFCE is the same.
[02:01] <zequence> computer: What is a low latency OS, and XFCE is the same as what?
[02:02] <computer> XFCE runs the same as this shell. Ubuntu studio is a low latency OS.
[02:03] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is an OS. You get low latency from two things. realtime privilege, and a low latency capable kernel
[02:03] <zequence> computer: I still don't understand what you mean about XFCE. Same as this shell?
[02:04] <computer> It's just the graphics that seem to slow things down? Ubuntu studio has a low latency kernel?
[02:05] <zequence> computer: Ubuntu Studio uses linux-lowlatency by default, but you can install it onto any Ubuntu flavor
[02:05] <computer> On the drop down menu there is a XFCE option but it has the same issues with graphics?
[02:06] <zequence> computer: What do you mean exactly, when you say graphics slow things down? What things? If you mean audio, then I can tell you graphics does not slow audio down
[02:07] <zequence> computer: You should see Ubuntu Studio in the drop down menu. That is XFCE as well. If you find the graphics too heavy, you can turn some FX off (if they are on)
[02:08] <computer> Yes but as an example if using a graphics heavy program it slows things down?
[02:08] <zequence> computer: What things?
[02:08] <zequence> slows what down?
[02:09] <computer> Say having a few open programs? the sound is ok but every thing takes forever to load?
[02:09] <zequence> computer: How much RAM do you have?
[02:09] <zequence> computer: free -m
[02:09] <computer> and programs that use more graphics tend to slow things down more.
[02:10] <zequence> computer: It sounds to me like you have too little RAM, and when the RAM gets used up, the computer becomes very very slow
[02:10] <zequence> Since it starts to put things into SWAP
[02:11] <computer> CPU 32% MEM 19% at moment. Have 1gig of mem.
[02:11] <zequence> 1GB is a bare minimum to have these days. especially with web browsers
[02:11] <zequence> 2GB is recommended
[02:12] <computer> Yes but when looking at monitor when programs are running there doesn't seem to be problem?
[02:12] <zequence> flash and java will take up a lot of CPU
[02:12] <computer> CPU goes to about 87% and memory stays low...Around 20%
[02:13] <zequence> Doesn't matter what desktop you have
[02:14] <computer> So the obvious thing would be to cut back on graphics....Hence using unity2D
[02:15] <zequence> XFCE is a light weight desktop
[02:15] <zequence> Did you see if any FX were on?
[02:15] <computer> Yes
[02:15] <zequence> And if you want really light weight, Lubuntu is the best option
[02:15] <computer> Might have tried Xbuntu but that was worse than studio
[02:16] <zequence> Did you try Lubuntu. It's the lightest of them all
[02:17] <computer> Not sure but I don't think so.
[02:17] <zequence> Try it
[02:20] <computer> I can see me building my own kernel :)
[02:21] <zequence> computer: the kernel won't change your prospect of less heavy graphics
[02:26] <bobweaver> computer,  maybe you would like to try flux or icewm ?
[02:27] <computer> Just seems to me that a lot of people have the same problem with graphics slowing things down? The Linux OS is great until it comes to graphics and having built in ways to cope with graphics? And also seeing as most that use linux will use it on a low spec pc?
[02:28] <zequence> computer: I'm sorry. I don't have the same experience as you with graphics. It was not long ago when I was using a P3 with a very old graphic card with Ubuntu. One needs to understand that old graphic cards won't handle modern graphics
[02:28] <zequence> computer: Especially thing like Youtube (flash content)
[02:29] <zequence> I was just recently using a P4 machine with Lubuntu.
[02:29] <computer> :) Yes I understand this.
[02:30] <zequence> computer: And, I don't think you install Linux just because you have old machine. I use the latest stuff with Linux. For me, there's no such thing as Windows or Mac. Only Linux
[02:30] <zequence> My general experience is that Linux is faster than Windows and Mac
[02:30] <zequence> I installed Debian on  iBook recently
[02:30] <zequence> Faster than OSX
[02:31] <zequence> This was wheezy. the latest Debian. 10 years more modern than the original OSX
[02:31] <zequence> Of course, the graphic card on that iBook is junk
[02:31] <zequence> So, no gnome-shell
[02:32] <computer> Yes but I like the idea of using low cost/spec. An example is the Ubuntu Software Center program....Slows things down.
[02:32] <zequence> computer: Use the terminal. Or synaptic
[02:32] <zequence> I've hardly ever used Software Center. It's slow even on recent machines
[02:33] <zequence> It's slow because it's doing a lot of things which you might not be asking for it to do
[02:33] <computer> I'm not being argumentative. I really like Linux....I just see issues.
[02:34] <zequence> computer: Did you try Windows 7 on that machine?
[02:35] <computer> No. It has Windows XP.
[02:35] <zequence> Windows XP is a stone age distro. Very light. I think that if you try Lubuntu, you will find it comparable
[02:36] <zequence> Still, anything 12.04 is quite modern
[02:37] <computer> I will give it a go and see....I just liked Studio because it's set up for my needs.
[02:37] <zequence> computer: Remember, to get good audio performance, just add yourself to audio group and install linux-lowlatency. That's all you need on any flabor
[02:37] <zequence> flavor*
[02:39] <computer> And even if I got a top spec computer just to get around the graphics it would be cool if that went bang to be able to fall back on to a low spec computer?
[02:40] <computer> Like I said studio works fine......Apart from the graphics for some reason. Anyway thanks for your help.
[02:43] <computer> Bye Bye :)
[04:59] <LaRueGT> is there a linuxable 303 emulator out there somewhere?
[05:02] <LaRueGT> nekobee, found it
[05:02] <LaRueGT> so many plugins hidden in these menus
[05:55] <janusleeb> Heyas. Anyone up?
[05:57] <janusleeb> Submariner, are you a bubblehead?
[05:57] <holstein> ask and we'll see
[05:58] <janusleeb> lol, kthx. I'm just installing US for the first time, and was just wondering what your impressions were
[05:58] <holstein> janusleeb: try it live.. and you can see for yourself
[05:59] <janusleeb> nah, i'm doing an install... haven't used M$ winblows since 2K was up-to-date.
[06:00] <janusleeb> nah, i'm doing an install... haven't used M$ winblows since 2K was up-to-date. MacBook Pro that broke a while back, and I finally was able to get a new laptop from system76.
[06:00] <holstein> janusleeb: windows?
[06:00] <janusleeb> I had to use an old P4 Desktop in the interim. wasn't too bad runing slackware, but I couldn't really do much other than homework and browse teh interwebz
[06:01] <janusleeb> yes, winblows. I have no respect for the company, so I avoid using it as much as possible.
[06:02] <janusleeb> oh, time to reboot. hope it all goes well. have a good night guys
[06:02] <holstein> sure.. just avoid refering to is as such in the official channels
[06:02] <janusleeb> kk
[06:02] <holstein> we have folks who use it, and its unecessary and not productive or constructive
[06:03] <holstein> i dont use it either... nor main ubuntu for that matter.. but its just software
[11:57] <zlatko> I think I have trouble with PA Jack Sink. Yesterday Len helped me with Jack & PA settings, but this morning after a restart, Jack Sink acts weird.
[12:00] <zlatko> e.g. in Jack - Connections shows 8 channels (yesterday when all worked I had just 2 (stereo) channels...
[12:18] <zequence> zlatko: Depending on what application you use with pulse, and what the track is you are playing, you may get more than stereo. 5.1, 7.1, 8.1, etc
[12:23] <zlatko> zequence: thank you. But I think yesterday I had just stereo and everything worked
[12:25] <zlatko> Can I start QJackCtl now and tell you what I am getting?
[12:29] <zequence> zlatko: It's normal to get more than stereo, if the music + application you use has more than stereo
[12:31] <zlatko> Ok. I'm now in Volume Control window. In Playback tab I'm listening an mp3 file and it works through UX1 Analog Stereo [my USB sound card].
[12:32] <zlatko> Then when I select Jack Sink from the dropdown on the right side - it gets silent...
[12:33] <zequence> zlatko: Sounds like jack is not using your usb card, but your builtin vard
[12:33] <zequence> card*
[12:33] <zlatko> Capture 1&2 are linked w PAjack source & PA Jack Sink is linked with 8 playbacks on system
[12:34] <zequence> zlatko: Sounds like you have 7.1 on your builtin card
[12:34] <zequence> zlatko: Each time you reboot, the order for the cards may change
[12:35] <zequence> zlatko: What's the output from: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:35] <zlatko> you were right!
[12:35] <zlatko> I checked in Setup
[12:35] <zlatko> and my hw:0 is now my internal card.
[12:35] <zlatko> while hw:1 is the card I wanna use!
[12:36] <zlatko> let me restart Jack...
[12:36] <zequence> zlatko: If you want jack to always use your usb card, you can write the name of it in the "interface" section
[12:36] <zequence> mine reads "hw:M66"
[12:36] <zequence> This is my output from: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:36] <zequence>  0 [SB             ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
[12:36] <zequence>                       HDA ATI SB at 0xfe300000 irq 16
[12:36] <zequence>  1 [NVidia         ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia
[12:36] <zequence>                       HDA NVidia at 0xfe080000 irq 24
[12:36] <zequence>  2 [M66            ]: ICE1712 - M Audio Delta 66
[12:36] <zequence>                       M Audio Delta 66 at 0xd040, irq 21
[12:37] <zequence> As you see, hw:2 is called "M66"
[12:37] <zequence> So, I just replace 2 with M66.
[12:37] <zequence> This way, jack will always start M66, no matter in which order it is
[12:37] <zlatko> and my output is:
[12:37] <zlatko> 0 [Intel          ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[12:37] <zlatko>                       HDA Intel at 0xe5100000 irq 44
[12:37] <zlatko>  1 [PODStudioUX1   ]: line6usb - POD Studio UX1
[12:37] <zlatko>                       Line6 POD Studio UX1 at USB 6-1:1.0
[12:38] <zequence> zlatko: So, in "interface", make it read "hw:PODStudioUX1"
[12:38] <zlatko> sorry: where is the interface thing?
[12:39] <zequence> zlatko: Qjackctl -> Setup -> Interface
[12:39] <zequence> Where you select the audio device
[12:39] <zlatko> oh I see. Well its grayed in my case...
[12:40] <zlatko> I cannot change anything there...
[12:40] <zequence> zlatko: I guess you set input and output separately? Why?
[12:41] <zequence> If you were not having problems, set input and output to "default"
[12:41] <zlatko> Yesterday, chatting w Len we setup that way...
[12:41] <zlatko> Now I changed I/O to default and Interface is enabled again
[12:42] <zlatko> now when I select my PODStudioUX1 in interface it changes to hw:1
[12:43] <zequence> zlatko: Write manually "hw:PODStudioUX1"
[12:43] <zlatko> and not hw:PODStudioUX1
[12:43] <zlatko> OK
[12:43] <zequence> don't forget the "hw" part of the name
[12:44] <zequence> zlatko: Make sure nothing is playing through the usb device before you start jack
[12:44] <zequence> I'm getting some food. Good luck
[12:45] <zlatko> OK later...
[16:04] <studio-user874> test
[16:04] <len-1304> studio-user874, works
[16:05] <studio-user874> i`m not wery well speak english :(
[16:07] <studio-user874> I 3hour install Ubuntu Studio 12.10- its normal?
[16:07] <len-1304> I haven't ever measured it
[16:07] <len-1304> I just start it and walk away.
[16:08] <len-1304> I depends on the machine it is installed on and network speed.
[16:09] <len-1304> An install with no network connected is faster. I sometimes use that when testing an ISO
[16:11] <studio-user874> Iso - normal, i choose download update, it`s mistake?
[16:12] <len-1304> Just takes longer, you would update after install anyway.
[16:12] <studio-user874> ok
[16:12] <len-1304> There is a new kernel in there which takes some time to download For example.
[16:13] <studio-user874> well be start away
[17:41] <lucas_> how can I convert monophonic audio (singing, whistling, spanish guitar) to midi?
[17:43] <lucas_> (could be poliphonic too, of course -- but monophonic would be enough)
[17:48] <JanusLi> hey all
[17:48] <lucas_> I'm using 12.04
[17:49] <lucas_> I can also use 12.10 in dvd
[17:50] <len-1304> lucas_, zequence made up a PD script to do that. If you wait on line long enough till he is around, he would probably share it with you
[17:50] <JanusLi> lucas: what are you trying to do?
[17:50] <len-1304> Or you could go through the IRC logs for this channel and see if it is still in the drop box
[17:51] <lucas_> great, thanks! would i have to tell him or does this get logged so he'll just see it? I wouldn't want to spam the others.
[17:51] <len-1304> He posted it just a few days ago
[17:51] <lucas_> ah, the logs - will do that, thanks.
[17:51] <JanusLi> i'm okay with linux, though i haven't been able to mess around with much of the AV side of it yet. just installed US12.10 yesterday
[17:54] <lucas_> JanusLi, I'm trying to input my own music as midi. I'm much better at guitar than at keyboard, but still not good enough so I'll have to correct. Then add second voices, cut and paste, etc.
[17:56] <JanusLi> ah, okay. GL... I haven't touched MIDI since around 2002. But I do have a Strat MIDI pickup I'd be willing to sell you, lol.
[17:57] <JanusLi> what MIDI recorder/sequencer are you using?
[17:58] <lucas_> no idea about that yet. once i can input my guitar monophonic melodies, i'll find out.
[18:03] <JanusLi> gotcha. I was using OSX since 2005-2006, so I've been on ProTools & Reason for stuff like that, but my MBP broke awhile back, and stuck me with an old P$ Desktop. It ran slackware fairly well, but I just got a new laptop, and I've really been wanting to seee what an open-source studio can do. I'm curious what the more experienced users in here think of the nix apps, and wondering if there's anything I need to get/tweak right off the bat with a fresh US
[18:03] <JanusLi> 12.10 install.
[18:04] <JanusLi> lucas_: what hardware do you have interfacing with your machine?
[18:05] <holstein> lucas_: professional stand-alone unitasking appliances designed to do that, dont do it all that well
[18:07] <JanusLi> what, like an M_Audio something?
[18:07] <holstein> JanusLi: kind of.. though no studio i know of uses anything from maudio
[18:08] <JanusLi> or something like a DigiDesign IO
[18:08] <holstein> i think maudio is a good value brand though
[18:08] <holstein> rackarrack has midi out
[18:08] <JanusLi> lol, inorite. But I live in Houston, and I've had guys in GC suggest some of the most ghetto-rigged stuff you've probably ever heard of
[18:09] <holstein> JanusLi: its probably the best they have found.. its not trivial, and nothing does it perfectly
[18:09] <holstein> depends so much on the source
[18:09] <holstein> JanusLi: what instrument?
[18:09] <JanusLi> MAudio is good if you're in HS or college, or that poor, and you're just doing something by yourself for fun.
[18:09] <holstein> some intruments have specific ways of dealing with midi translation
[18:09] <holstein> JanusLi: "good" is a matter of opinion
[18:10] <holstein> i wont argue maudio is a good value.. and we can leave it at that.. i own maudio gear
[18:11] <JanusLi> hey, i'm not knocking it at all, please forgive me if I sounded like it. MAudio is what it is.
[18:11] <JanusLi> I've got an MAudio interface lying around somewhere.
[18:11] <lucas_> JanusLi: ua1ex and ua25ex
[18:11] <holstein> to be clear, im knocking it.. but im also sugesting you wont install a piece of software that will get what you want done flawlessly
[18:12] <JanusLi> That's absolutely correct.
[18:12] <holstein> what lucas_ wants.. the translation to midi
[18:12] <JanusLi> so an analogue to midi translation?
[18:12] <holstein> but, there are instrument specific solutions that would work great
[18:12] <holstein> yup...
[18:13] <lucas_> i've been able to record a few audio tracks from guitar into ardour through jack in 12.04
[18:13] <lucas_> yes
[18:13] <lucas_> and it doesn't have to be real time -- i can create an audio file and then convert to midi later
[18:14] <holstein> lucas_: i would expect mixed results
[18:14] <JanusLi> I know it's possible, but that's about it. As an engineer, my suggestion would usually be to just record a direct MIDI track, but that's cause it would pad my bill, and maybe get someone else around the studio paid, too.
[18:14] <holstein> lucas_: someone came here looking, and found something for that, i forget what it was, but they didnt report as to if it worked or not
[18:15] <holstein> lucas_: rakarrack has midi out
[18:15] <lucas_> will try rakarrack
[18:15] <JanusLi> lol, if they came looking, and didn't come back, then it probablby either worked very well, or was so bad they came up with a different idea
[18:16] <JanusLi> rakarrak is similar to a line6 virtual rig, if I remember right
[18:16] <holstein> lucas_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5852102/software-to-convert-audio-to-midi http://sox.sourceforge.net/ http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/05/sound-exchange-sox-15-examples-to-manipulate-audio-files/
[18:17] <holstein> lucas_: you can also ask in #opensourcemusicians
[18:19] <lucas_> Thanks, holstein  I had seen sox (I don't think it works). I looks like either a trivial problem or a hard problem.
[18:19] <holstein> lucas_: i dont think it works either.. its quite challenging to convert audio to midi properly
[18:19] <holstein> lucas_: what instrument?
[18:20] <lucas_> holstein, thing is, a few weeks ago i downloaded an app for my android phone, and it _kinda_ converted a whistle into midi
[18:20] <JanusLi> lucas_: what are you trying to ultimately do with the MIDI file?
[18:20] <lucas_> guitar
[18:20] <JanusLi> Specifically, why are you trying to take a live track to a MIDI one?
[18:21] <lucas_> JanusLi, I want to, erm, compose. You know, copy-paste-modify. Slowly move things around.
[18:21] <holstein> doenst have to be live
[18:21] <lucas_> doesn't have to be live, correct
[18:21] <holstein> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/you-rock-guitar-yrg-1000-midi-controller-electric-guitar
[18:21] <holstein> lucas_: ^^ something like that might be cheap enough to try, and would allow you to enter notes as a guitar player
[18:22] <lucas_> hah, holstein, i have a yrg but my fingering doesn't work too well
[18:22] <JanusLi> I meant live as in using an analog recording rather than a sequenced track
[18:22] <lucas_> will have to try the yrg again
[18:22] <holstein> lucas_: *anything* in the realm is going to be a compromise
[18:23] <lucas_> JanusLi, I can't create a sequenced track to start with, that's why! I can't play keyboards well enough at all.
[18:23] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guitar_synthesizer the roland GK
[18:23] <holstein> lucas_: you dont have to play it in realtime
[18:23] <holstein> you can use a piano roll editor...
[18:24] <holstein> gotta run... cheers!
[18:24] <JanusLi> lol, do you have one? I've got a start MIDI pickup from ~2003 if you'd wanna figure something out to get it to you. would require two screws about .5 cm outside the 'E/e" strings to be mounted, and the box fits under your strap button w/ some felt to pad the surface
[18:25] <lucas_> good find, that guitar synthesizer wikipage holstein thanks!
[18:25] <lucas_> yes, that's my idea: yse a piano roll editor -- once i have something to edit
[19:13] <lucas_> hi zequence_ . len-1304 said you had written a PD script to convert monophonic audio (singing, whistling, spanish guitar) to midi. I've searched the irclogs but can't find it. Help?
[19:25] <lucas_> len-1304, zequence_ http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/01/06/%23ubuntustudio.html has the .pd file - will try that soon! and rakarrack -- thanks len-1304 & holstein !!! this kind of help should be flatr.com'able
[20:30] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! howto record all the sounds reproduced by the sound card?
[22:13] <LaRueGT> is there a simple host for native vst's without having to fire up a full featured DAW?
[22:38] <zequence> LaRueGT: Checkw with falktx at #kxstudio. I think if anyone should know, he would
[22:39] <zequence> LaRueGT: Or at #opensourcemusicians
[22:40] <LaRueGT> worth a try, it'd be a real handy thing to have


[00:01] <cnd> bryceh, there's no upstream status for them
[00:01] <cnd> because the support is built on top of the multitouch work
[00:01] <cnd> which doesn't exist in upstream synaptics yet :)
[00:02] <cnd> I can note this if you'd like
[00:02] <cnd> tbh, I'm not sure what to do with upstream x synaptics either, because they will need to resolve the issue without multitouch support
[00:02] <cnd> which will be rather difficult
[00:04] <cnd> bryceh, btw, in case you get any questions about input coordinate transformation (swap axes, rotate, etc.): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/InputCoordinateTransformation
[00:05] <bryceh> ok, yeah just indicate they're dependent on ubuntu's MT framework or something, that should be enough
[00:05] <bryceh> cnd, excellent thanks
[00:05] <bryceh> cnd, I've read through the patches and roughly follow the changes, no comment on them since I'm not super familiar with this stuff but looks sane
[00:07] <cnd> bryceh, ok, cool
[00:08] <cnd> they're in our ppa so I hope they are getting some testing by a handful of people
[00:08] <bryceh> cnd, and yeah it's too late for beta1 but go ahead and push into -synaptics git packaging tree
[00:08] <cnd> ok
[00:08] <bryceh> in the meanwhile I'll load it on my laptops and netbook to dog food it a bit
[00:08] <cnd> I'd like to get them pushed as soon as beta 1 is released so we get as much exposure early on as possible :)
[00:09] <bryceh> sounds good
[00:09] <cnd> it actually makes my trackpad soooo much better
[00:09] <cnd> that gave me a bit of a kick in my step today :)
[00:09] <bryceh> :-)
[00:09] <ScottK> bryceh: So I'm in Natty on may main laptop now and finding in much better for Intel 945 than Maverick.
[00:12] <bryceh> ScottK, good to hear
[00:12] <bryceh> ScottK, in terms of stability, performance, ...?
[00:12] <ScottK> yes.
[00:12] <bryceh> nice
[00:12] <ScottK> Actually mostly performance and quality of the display.
[00:13] <ScottK> I didn't have a lot of stability trouble since just after maverick release.
[00:13] <ScottK> I just upgraded today, so it'll be a few days before I have a solid opinion on stability.
[12:22] <tjaalton> the spurious mouse button release/clicks turned out to be due to the microswitch. cleaned it up and can't reproduce it anymore :)
[13:13] <alkisg> Is there a proprietary nvidia driver that supports Vanta? (1999)
[13:16] <alkisg> I believe I'd need nvidia-71, but I can't find it in the archives. Should I try this? http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_71.86.13.html
[13:20] <alkisg> Or should I try the one from debian sid? http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx
[13:21] <jcristau> you won't be able to use that with a halfway recent xserver.
[13:21] <tjaalton> there probably is no blob that supports both your card and current(ish) xserver
[13:21] <tjaalton> echo
[13:22] <Sarvatt> alkisg: I think ~2.6.18 is the latest kernel that supports too
[13:22] <alkisg> Ah :( That's on a chroot, to be served on netbooted clients (LTSP). I can build a hardy chroot, if needed.
[13:22] <alkisg> I saw a -glx-71 package for hardy, would that do?
[13:24] <alkisg> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/nvidia-glx-legacy
[13:26] <tjaalton> the nvidia page shows that it should work, so.. maybe
[13:27] <alkisg> Thank you guys, I'll give that a try
[19:59] <cnd> bryceh, didrocks said you might know somethign/be able to help about the new fglrx not working with unity from the daily build ppa
[20:04] <tjaalton> cnd: Sarvatt said it'd need a newer compiz?
[20:04] <Sarvatt> that was tseliot
[20:05] <tjaalton> ah, sorry
[20:05] <Sarvatt> http://fossplanet.com/f10/%5Bubuntu-x%5D-fglrx-support-natty-118210/
[20:06] <cnd> tjaalton, yeah, I've got the new compiz
[20:06] <cnd> compiz seems to be running fine
[20:06] <cnd> it's the panel and the launcher that seem broken
[20:10] <Sarvatt> +    // Avoid detection of the compiz program by the fglrx driver.
[20:10] <Sarvatt> +    // Change program name to work around app detection in fglrx,
[20:10] <Sarvatt> +    // which is needed for older versions of compiz but breaks this
[20:10] <Sarvatt> +    // version of compiz.
[20:10] <Sarvatt> sheesh
[20:11] <Sarvatt> got my ati box doing another set of upgrades, lets see if I have the same problem..
[20:11] <jcristau> hahaha
[20:11] <bryceh> Sarvatt, yeah
[20:11] <bryceh> Sarvatt, I take it you weren't cc'd on that massive internal thread we had about that?
[20:12] <Sarvatt> which one? was on one a few weeks ago when we set up the PPA
[20:12] <bryceh> after that one X-)
[20:12] <Sarvatt> woohoo, yeah I missed out :)
[20:12] <bryceh> gotta love working on proprietary drivers :-/
[20:14] <Sarvatt> I'm going to get those fugly scrollbars forced on me if I use the unity PPA aren't I? :P
[20:15] <bryceh> I think they're cute (but haven't tried using them yet)
[20:19] <bryceh> man I'm getting sick of -intel gpu lockup bugs
[20:20] <Sarvatt> want to just turn them off? they're firing when the system recovers fine now too
[20:21] <bryceh> still?  thought apw fixed that
[20:21] <Sarvatt> vblank_mode=0 glxgears on a sandybridge system is a good example
[20:21] <bryceh> no, we should leave them on, there's still some legit problems
[20:21] <Sarvatt> dmesg flooded with hangcheck timer messages, crash report every 2-3 seconds in /var/crash/
[20:21] <Sarvatt> only visible problem is a stutter while it does the dump
[20:22] <bryceh> any idea what causes it?
[20:22] <bryceh> just inconsistent vblanking or something?
[20:22] <Sarvatt> nope, apparently ickle can't reproduce it
[20:22] <Sarvatt> compiz + sandybridge + vblank_mode=0 glxgears always triggers it here
[20:23] <bryceh> well, you know we still gotta update the apport hook to stop using intel_gpu_dump
[20:25] <Sarvatt> ok without adding the unity PPA choosing a Ubuntu session launches a classic session, adding the PPA now
[20:30] <Sarvatt> err, classic desktop picking the ubuntu session with it too..
[20:34] <Sarvatt> unity works with fglrx if i start it manually, of course I can't get rid of gnome-panel thats over top of it
[20:35] <Sarvatt> don't know whats up with that, unity was working fine without fglrx
[20:36] <Sarvatt> of course i did the weekly 600mb upgrade before rebooting too
[20:37] <Sarvatt> removed fglrx and unity session works again, very odd
[20:38] <Sarvatt> lessee what .xsession-errors has to say, maybe it bails out of unity for some reason
[20:40] <Sarvatt> out of all my systems, the one using r600g by far has the best experience in unity
[20:41] <Sarvatt> thats strange, compiz doesn't even try to load with fglrx installed
[20:42] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/587508/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/587509/
[20:43] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/587510/
[21:13] <Sarvatt> cnd: I don't know what bug you're actually having after discussing my fglrx/unity problem in #ubuntu-desktop..
[21:13] <Sarvatt> cnd: have you been dist-upgrading that machine? is it possible you dont have gnome-panel installed?
[21:14] <Sarvatt> it tried to remove it a few times in the past month or two here
[21:14] <Sarvatt> the unity session falls back to the classic gnome session because of a screwed up exit status after running /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[21:14] <Sarvatt> just with fglrx
[21:15] <cnd> Sarvatt, I still have the panel in unity 2d
[21:15] <Sarvatt> cnd: but do you have the gnome-panel package installed? I dunno if unity-2d uses that
[21:15] <cnd> I'll check
[21:15] <cnd> unity_support_test -p says everything looks good
[21:16] <cnd> but unity_support_test alone returns 234
[21:16] <cnd> instead of 0
[21:16] <Sarvatt> do a echo $? after running it
[21:16] <Sarvatt> yeah thats what I get
[21:16] <cnd> I still have gnome-panel installed
[21:17] <cnd> so to test out unity, I have to hack up /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/ubuntu.session
[21:17] <Sarvatt> maybe if I install unity-2d the panels will be screwed too, lets see :)
[21:17] <cnd> and replace the IsRunnableHelper with /bin/true
[21:18] <Sarvatt> didrocks said the unity_support_test will be fixed in tomorrows build
[21:18] <cnd> yeah
[21:20] <Sarvatt> ah yea i see it tries to do a unity-2d session as the fallback first if its installed, thats probably where things are getting screwed up
[21:20] <cnd> oh, so if you uninstall unity-2d things work?
[21:20] <Sarvatt> i just installed it to see if the panels are screwed
[21:20] <Sarvatt> hasnt come up yet
[21:21] <Sarvatt> the classic session fallback for sure works here
[21:21] <Sarvatt> nope unity-2d works fine
[21:21] <cnd> yes, but does unity 3d still work after installing unity-2d?
[21:21] <cnd> unity 2d works fine here too
[21:21] <cnd> just not unity 3d
[21:22] <Sarvatt> i mean choosing a ubuntu session which should start unity after unity-2d is installed to see if the fallback to unity-2d works does work so that theory is out the window
[21:22] <Sarvatt> yeesh confusing myself
[21:22] <cnd> oh
[21:23] <Sarvatt> was hoping the ubuntu session fallback to unity-2d might be where the panels were getting lost for you but it works here :)
[21:24] <cnd> yeah
[22:04] <Amaranth> Ok, now I think my computer is just screwing with me
[22:04] <Amaranth> Latest updates from edgers resulted in some king of GPU hang when starting compiz so I did a ppa-purge and now with stock natty stuff GLES is working again
[22:05] <Sarvatt> yep latest update borked sandybridge here too
[22:05] <Sarvatt> it was 5 days of updates in one though since libdrm was busted
[22:06] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: That part isn't surprising, the surprising part is GLES stuff randomly working again
[22:08] <Amaranth> Although I still can't run compiz due to "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/egl/egl_dri2.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_proc_address" but oh well
[22:09] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: check out https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/vanhoof if you want mesa speeds not to suck
[22:09] <Sarvatt> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32677 ?
[22:09] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 32677 in Other "egl_dri.so depends on _glapi_get_proc_address" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[22:10] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34476
[22:10] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 34476 in Mesa core "/usr/lib/egl/egl_dri2.so needs libGL but not link to it" [Normal,New]
[22:10] <Amaranth> But they look like the same bug
[22:10] <Amaranth> Although I'm not sure why this only hits compiz
[22:11] <Amaranth> Oh, because core doens't link to libGL or libGLES, we dlopen our libopengl.so plugin
[22:12] <Sarvatt> so you're hitting a bug where gles isn't working over egl_dri2 in 7.11, and missing that other bug because of libglapi, and hitting that other bug in 7.10.. ugh
[22:14] <Sarvatt> libglapi-mesa was the fix for the _glapi_get_proc_address problem
[22:16] <Amaranth> Yeah, but that's only in 7.11 which breaks GLES, like you said :)
[22:19] <Amaranth> I suppose I can just patch compiz to work around this for now, I guess
[22:21] <Sarvatt> i'm not seeing any obvious reason why gles is broken over dri, wonder if the shared dricore has anything to do with it
[22:26]  * Sarvatt squints at --enable-shared-glapi
[22:31] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: is es2_info showing you softpipe results on 7.10?
[22:31] <Sarvatt> it is here
[22:31] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: If I don't define EGL_DRIVER, yes
[22:31] <Sarvatt> thats the same as EGL_DRIVER=egl_gallium es2_info on 7.11
[22:31] <Sarvatt> oh ok
[22:32] <Sarvatt> yep egl_dri2 is actually working here too on stock natty
[22:32] <Amaranth> I've just stuck export EGL_DRIVER=egl_dri2 in my ~/.bashrc
[22:32] <Amaranth> Yeah, for me as well
[22:33] <Sarvatt> i dont see -DHAVE_SHARED_GLAPI in the build and looking at the egl_dri2 source i'm thinking it needs it
[22:34] <Sarvatt> going to try building edgers mesa with --enable-shared-glapi
[22:34] <Amaranth> Don't you already do that for edgers mesa?
[22:34] <Amaranth> RAOF pointed me to it because you build with that :)
[22:35] <Sarvatt> I thought it was enabled by default, I'm not forcing it enabled or anything but it looks like egl_dri2 compiles differently if you do force it enabled..
[22:36] <RAOF> Um, yeah.  Why aren't you building with --enable-shared-glapi? :)
[22:37] <Sarvatt> it's building a shared glapi lib without it
[22:38] <RAOF> The more you know™
[22:38] <Sarvatt> only ifeq ($(SHARED_GLAPI),1) isn't returning true so its not building egl_dri2 with it enabled?
[22:38]  * Sarvatt is confused
[22:40] <Amaranth> Ok, so let's try a build with --enable-shared-glapi :)
[22:40] <Sarvatt> started off a build, lets see how it goes
[22:40] <Amaranth> Although since something else is killing SNB in general right now I'm not sure I'll be able to test it for you
[22:41] <Sarvatt> ah hell yer right, i shoulda used the 0325 checkout
[22:41] <Sarvatt> glad i still have the source handy
[22:44] <Sarvatt> so much for taking off early because I had to be up at 7 for a call :P
[22:45] <Amaranth> eep
[22:45] <Sarvatt> will know in about 20 minutes, this i7-2620M isnt very fast
[22:46] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: Is that by any chance a fruit product? :)
[22:46] <Amaranth> Also how can you say that's not fast? Compared to what?
[22:46] <Sarvatt> got a i7-2820qm in another laptop thats tons faster, nope its not it's a dell :)
[22:47] <Sarvatt> and 2500k and 2600k in the desktops blow them all away but i got discrete gpu's in those at the moment testing fglrx and nvidia..
[22:48] <Amaranth> 2820M will only be faster for compiles
[22:48] <Sarvatt> the 2620 is a dual core, mesa loves the quads
[22:48] <Amaranth> Which is what you're doing so yeah
[22:48] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, how fast is the sandybridge graphics in natty?
[22:48] <bjsnider> compared to previous intl stuff
[22:49] <Amaranth> phoronix had a benchmark, it's like 20% of the windows driver
[22:49] <Sarvatt> pretty crappy until the new mesa gets uploaded, unity is slow as heck
[22:49] <Amaranth> I haven't noticed unity being slow
[22:49] <bjsnider> that sucks
[22:49] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: do you not use the search to find apps?
[22:50] <Sarvatt> typing in that is a lagfest
[22:50] <Amaranth> oh god
[22:50] <Sarvatt> Amaranth: compare it to https://launchpad.net/~sarvatt/+archive/vanhoof, it'll blow your mind
[22:50] <Amaranth> Yeah, I made my dock 32px so I should shove 10 apps on there so I don't use the dash much
[22:51] <Amaranth> Yeah, 7.11 already has that patch so I've seen the difference
[22:52] <Sarvatt> in windows its basically the same as a hd5470m discrete GPU, about the same as a 9600 on the nvidia side
[22:53] <Amaranth> It makes low end discrete GPUs a waste of money :)
[22:54] <Sarvatt> funny story about that, an OEM was gonna ship a discrete model and had to change the discrete GPU at the last minute because the sandybridge side was faster :P
[22:54] <bjsnider> doesn't sound much different than a gma4500
[22:54] <Sarvatt> oh it blows that away, at least 10x faster
[22:55] <Sarvatt> yay debs building now, didnt have to screw with .symbols
[22:56] <Amaranth> Ok so I changed compiz's call to dlopen from RTLD_LAZY to RTLD_LAZY|RTLD_GLOBAL as a temporary hack and now my desktop can run GLES builds of compiz too
[22:57] <bryceh> hey do we still support hibernate?  bug 745304 says he sees graphics corruption and wondering if I should wontfix it
[22:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 745304 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Graphics corruption after hibernate with Intel GMA 3150 chipset (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745304
[22:59] <Sarvatt> yeah its still offered (unless you have an encrypted /home apparently)
[22:59] <bryceh> ok
[22:59] <Amaranth> after a week of messing with different library versions and getting an ARM development board up and running so I can test this stuff I make a one-line change and it works just fine on my desktop
[23:00] <Sarvatt>  --enable-shared-glapi made no difference
[23:01] <Amaranth> Sarvatt: Does it not set the define or does the define not help?
[23:01] <Sarvatt> yeah it sets the define right
[23:01] <Sarvatt> will make that change in edgers regardless
[23:06] <jhammons> Hi all. Should I expect hardware accelerated video for my crappy graphics card using the PPA? I have "Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)" It worked in 10.04, but after upgrading to 10.10 I've had no such luck. :(
[23:08] <RAOF> jhammons: That should be well supported by basically every release of Ubuntu ever.
[23:08] <jhammons> :(
[23:08] <jhammons> That's what I thought.
[23:08] <RAOF> Although if you've upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 without disabling the xorg-edgers PPA (as it says to ☺) then it's quite possible you've broken stuff.
[23:09] <jhammons> I wasn't using this PPA with 10.04
[23:12] <RAOF> Which PPA are you thinking of specifically, and why are you using it?
[23:14] <jhammons> RAOF: I tried ubuntu-x-swat thinking newer xserver-xorg-video-intel would help.
[23:15] <jhammons> RAOF: Have any troubleshooting advice?
[23:15] <jhammons> Except this: kernel: [   24.608957] [Firmware Bug]: Duplicate ACPI video bus devices for the same VGA controller, please try module parameter "video.allow_duplicates=1"if the current driver doesn't work.
[23:15] <jhammons> Will try that.
[23:16] <RAOF> jhammons: The contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log in a pastebin is often useful.
[23:16] <jhammons> RAOF: Okay. Thanks.
[23:16] <RAOF> Also, dmesg.
[23:17] <bryceh> the type of improvements you're probably after aren't to be had from xserver-xorg-video-intel
[23:17] <jhammons> bryceh: Indeed. :)
[23:17] <bryceh> that X driver is really pretty limited these days
[23:17] <jhammons> I see..
[23:18] <RAOF> It can screw things up, but it's not really involved in much that you care about.
[23:18] <bryceh> probably where you should be looking for bleeding edge intel stuff are the drm-intel-next kernel daily builds
[23:18] <bryceh> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-next/
[23:19] <bryceh> beware sometimes those have new bugs.  Work backwards from current until you find a kernel you like
[23:19] <bryceh> also, those are raw upstream kernels, without any of the normal ubuntu enhancements
[23:21] <jhammons> I see.
[23:21] <bryceh> at the moment there probably aren't huge differences between stock natty and upstream stuff in any case, but enough for it to be worth testing
[23:22] <jhammons> I'm going to try the suggestion I found in dmesg output (see above). Here's my Xorg log. I'll be back in a minute. If it doesn't work, a quick gander at that would be appreciated: http://pastebin.com/UCwVaFQG
[23:23] <jhammons> I think what it is referring to is my stupid dock for the laptop.
[23:24] <RAOF> [    29.354] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[23:24] <RAOF> Less binary nvidia driver, please :)
[23:25] <jhammons> Hmm.
[23:28] <jhammons> I'll be right back (hopefully). Thanks RAOF, bryceh.
[23:31] <jhammons> Thanks for catching that RAOF! Works like a dream now. :)
[23:31] <jhammons> If you kind folks ever have any issues with an Atlassian tool, hit me up<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-- thanks again!


[08:19] <mup> Bug #2015976 opened: maas-release-tools fails on keyerror 'maas-integration-ci' <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2015976>


[02:53] <mhall119> Saviq: someone on G+ says they are experiencing the same slowdown on GNexus
[04:20] <Mirv> tsdgeos: qt 5.1.1 is more likely, although without not much testing done yet the only known blocker for 5.1 is the QPA plugin which is not done yet
[05:58] <mlankhorst> morning
[06:11] <MCR_> didrocks, hi. Can you tell me if a <IP_ADDRESS> release of Compiz is planned and imminent ?
[06:12] <didrocks> MCR_: should be, we are transitionning Xorg 1.14 today, compiz is next
[06:12] <didrocks> why?
[06:12] <MCR_> because Sam mentioned something like this and I need to know if trunk is frozen...
[06:12] <MCR_> but I have no details on it
[06:13] <didrocks> MCR_: better to avoid changing it now
[06:13] <MCR_> All I have is this: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.merge-thumbnail-improvements/+merge/170548/comments/384428
[06:14] <MCR_> but no further info
[06:14] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[06:14] <didrocks> I would prefer we stop evolved compiz for the time being
[06:14] <tvoss> mlankhorst, good morning :)
[06:14] <didrocks> until we land <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:14] <Saviq> tvoss, pong
[06:15] <MCR_> didrocks, do you have an ETA for that? -> a lot of MPs with finished reviews are waiting to land...
[06:15] <MCR_> smspillaz, ^^
[06:15] <mlankhorst> morning
[06:15] <MCR_> hi, btw (if you are here), Sam...
[06:17] <didrocks> MCR_: as told, once xorg 1.14 lands
[06:17] <MCR_> aha, prepare for troubles ;)
[06:17] <didrocks> which is what mlankhorst and Mirv are coordinating
[06:17] <Saviq> didrocks, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/packaging-cleanup/+merge/172578 feels ready
[06:18] <smspillaz> MCR_: I don't handle releases
[06:18] <MCR_> first tests with xorg-edgers (still 1.13) on R showed a lot of problems here :(
[06:18] <didrocks> Saviq: yeah, +1! qtubuntu-android and libunity are all good :)
[06:18] <MCR_> also the new fglrx is slow and buggy
[06:19] <Saviq> didrocks, can you have a quick run through over debian/ there
[06:19] <Saviq> didrocks, I'll try installing on devices and ask mzanetti to have a look through, too
[06:19] <MCR_> didrocks, qu: who is responsible for Compiz in Ubuntu ?
[06:19] <didrocks> Saviq: sure, in ~40 minutes good? I want to finish some google-mork for mirv
[06:19] <didrocks> MCR_: sil2100 is the stack holder, but he's on holidays
[06:20] <Saviq> didrocks, sure
[06:20] <MCR_> didrocks, well -> then a freeze does not make sense...
[06:20] <didrocks> MCR_: I know that andyrock is testing current trunk
[06:20] <MCR_> ah, cool
[06:20] <didrocks> MCR_: so don't make it unstable
[06:20] <MCR_> I never make it unstable
[06:20] <smspillaz> didrocks: to be fair, its probably me who will make it unstable :)
[06:21] <smspillaz> but that's because I always take the hard stuff :)
[06:21] <MCR_> 185 branches merged, none reverted is a good quote, no ?
[06:21] <didrocks> smspillaz: heh :)
[06:21] <MCR_> smspillaz, that is true (with the hard stuff)
[06:22] <MCR_> I just can fix what I understand ;)
[06:22] <MCR_> but I am learning fast ;)
[06:22] <MCR_> smspillaz, we have quite a few branches which just need your gogo...
[06:23] <smspillaz> MCR_: don't really have time, I'm travelling the next few days
[06:23] <MCR_> smspillaz, ok -> we'll wait then I guess :(
[06:24] <MCR_> happy travellin' -> if you are near Vienna, Austria I buy you a drink...
[06:27] <MCR_> my impression was we just have one Compiz release per cycle, at the end of the cycle...
[06:34] <MCR_> Compiz + Unity7 + xmir + xorg 1.14 + proprietary drivers in Saucy -> I'm happy I'm not responsible for that stack...
[06:52] <MCR_> I'm out, c ya.
[07:55] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can you please have a look at the hud toolbar buttons with the latest ubuntu-ui-toolkit?
[07:55] <tsdgeos> they look crap, right?
[07:56] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, not sure what changed
[07:56] <tsdgeos> i think i saw them yesterday in the autopilot tests run
[07:56] <tsdgeos> and thought "must be only this autopillot thing"
[07:56] <tsdgeos> but then thought "but why?"
[07:56] <tsdgeos> and then forgot :D
[07:57] <Saviq> tsdgeos, fixed
[07:58] <Saviq> tsdgeos, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5842753/
[07:58] <tsdgeos> that was fast :D
[08:00] <tsdgeos> Saviq: you propose it?
[08:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah
[08:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we need to release (going into daily)
[08:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, but SDK crapped out on us ;)
[08:01] <tsdgeos> he he
[08:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~saviq/unity8/abstract-button/+merge/172966
[08:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, wth was the env var to print draw calls?
[08:16] <tsdgeos> hmmm
[08:17] <tsdgeos> i know how for qpainter, but not sure i have ever known the "qml scene" one
[08:17] <Saviq> damn
[08:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: this are all the getenv that qtdeclarative has http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/788726/
[08:25] <Saviq> might be QSG_RENDER_TIMING now
[08:25] <tsdgeos> that is 5.1 though
[08:26] <tsdgeos> let me branch to 5.0
[08:26] <tsdgeos> http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/788738/
[08:26] <tsdgeos> 5.0 ones
[08:27] <tsdgeos> QML_RENDERER_TIMING ¿
[08:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ping
[08:28] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: hey
[08:29] <tsdgeos> pos = qMax(qMin(bottomItem->position() - highlightRangeEnd, -maxExtent), -minExtent);
[08:29] <tsdgeos> that's what gives the -38 the thing animates to
[08:29] <tsdgeos> i think you are being tricked by the fact you do bottom up but the list does not and everyone gets confused
[08:30] <tsdgeos> because otherwise not sure how bottomItem is the one causing you problems
[08:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: ?
[08:32] <mzanetti> not following
[08:32] <tsdgeos> :D
[08:32] <tsdgeos> the listview angle thing
[08:32] <tsdgeos> for the launcher
[08:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: just set inverted to false
[08:32] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: the issue will be the same the other way round
[08:33] <tsdgeos> ah sorry, i can't copy & paste
[08:33] <tsdgeos> is not bottomItem
[08:33] <tsdgeos> but topItem
[08:33] <tsdgeos>   >│1449                        pos = qMax(qMin(topItem->position() - highlightRangeStart, -maxExtent), -minExtent);                                                                                │
[08:34] <mzanetti> where did you get this line?
[08:34] <tsdgeos> gdb :D
[08:34] <tsdgeos> http://paste.kde.org/~tsdgeos/788762/
[08:34] <tsdgeos> this is the problem
[08:35] <tsdgeos> your topitem pos and the highlightRangeStart don't match
[08:35] <tsdgeos> now, not sure where highlightRangeStart comes from
[08:35] <tsdgeos> ok, it's preferredHighlightBegin
[08:36] <mzanetti> yeah... thats what I'm saying
[08:37] <mzanetti> the preferredHighlightBegin seems to be set, but not updated to the items
[08:37] <mzanetti> and on the first interaction with the mouse they are updated, which makes it jump to that semi-folded position
[08:42] <tsdgeos> not sure i follow :D
[08:43] <tsdgeos> oh man
[08:43] <tsdgeos> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity-phablet-qmluitests-saucy/406/testReport/junit/%28root%29/ListViewWithPageHeaderTestSection/testInsertItemsBeforeValidIndex/ failed again :/
[08:43] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: can you detach me that vm so i try running the test there manually?
[08:44] <nic-doffay> Saviq, thanks for the mail.
[08:44] <Saviq> nic-doffay, cheers, makes sense?
[08:46] <nic-doffay> Saviq, yep. Spoke to Florian about themes yesterday, so I'm busy implementing those and splitting up the component. Looks like I'll get to this after.
[08:52] <Saviq> nic-doffay, cool
[09:52] <dednick> Saviq: ping
[10:00] <Saviq> dednick, pong
[10:01] <dednick> Saviq: about the indicators-client. Did you mean on the desktop there was only datetime?
[10:01] <Saviq> dednick, no, on device
[10:02] <dednick> Saviq: hm. no, that's not expected
[10:02] <Saviq> dednick, the panel icons were there
[10:02] <Saviq> dednick, but pages were empty (not even the "Empty!" labels)
[10:02] <dednick> Saviq: i c. i'll take a look
[10:03] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: this reproduces the issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5843019/
[10:03] <dednick> Saviq: do you remember if the messaging/network icon showing the correct icon?
[10:04] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: cool, that's so simple!
[10:04] <Saviq> dednick, it seemed to, yes
[10:05] <mzanetti> dednick: Saviq: http://s-jenkins:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-testing/2/
[10:06] <mzanetti> dednick: does that work for you?
[10:07] <dednick> mzanetti: when build and run from local, yes.
[10:07] <mzanetti> dednick: ?
[10:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, nice!
[10:08] <dednick> mzanetti: looks like it's trying to find it in the build folder, but doesnt ap use a installed package?
[10:08] <dednick> i ean ap o jenkins
[10:08] <dednick> urg
[10:08] <dednick> mzanetti: i mean autopilot on jenkins
[10:08] <mzanetti> dednick: yes
[10:09] <mzanetti> dednick: it installs *.deb from our repo and calls "autopilot run indicators_client" without a build dir
[10:09] <mzanetti> dednick: your tests would need to be prepared for that
[10:09] <dednick> mzanetti: yeah. i see it doesnt check for installed path
[11:43] <tsdgeos> Saviq: have good and bad news :D
[11:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: basically the render loop of 5.0 is "not that good"
[11:51] <tsdgeos> and it's what leads to those random test failures in the "quite slow" CI VMs
[11:52] <tsdgeos> i updated the CI VM to 5.1 and *boom* the failures are go
[11:52] <tsdgeos> ne
[11:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: yay! thats quite good news I'd say
[12:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: Do you think we should disable the failing tests until upgraded to 5.1?
[12:15] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah, I say that's good
[12:16] <Saviq> tsdgeos, another reason to switch to 5.1
[12:17] <Saviq> didrocks, it's in, we can has daily release? :D
[12:18] <Saviq> dednick, sorry about that... the packaging cleanup branch just went in
[12:18] <Saviq> dednick, and there's quite some conflicts
[12:18] <Saviq> dednick, ping me if you have issues merging
[12:19] <Saviq> dednick, one important thing to do is to change the installation path to ${SHELL_PRIVATE_LIBDIR}
[12:19] <Saviq> dednick, see https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/packaging-cleanup/+merge/172578 for the diffs
[12:21] <didrocks> Saviq: queuing your request :p
[12:22] <Saviq> didrocks, but! but... I've been in the queue for two weeks already! ;)
[12:22] <didrocks> Saviq: hem, you do had stuff to do, don't tell you were waiting on me for 2 weeks :p
[12:23] <Saviq> didrocks, of course I didn't, I was blocked on that! ;P
[12:23]  * Saviq biab, trying to fix the overheating laptop...
[12:28] <dednick> Saviq: ok, i'll take a look
[12:30] <pete-woods> didrocks / cyphermox: question - can you tell me where it is (a PPA, presumably?) that the releases of libusermetrics go?
[12:30] <didrocks> pete-woods: it's going to distro
[12:30] <pete-woods> presumably the guys working on unity are able to get it from somewhere
[12:30] <pete-woods> oh, cool
[12:31]  * pete-woods is both pleased and scared :)
[12:31] <didrocks> :)
[12:40] <mhr3> pete-woods, i had some trouble compiling it, mostly because of missing #include <stdexcept>
[12:40] <mzanetti> dednick: the multi-job capable mediumtests runner is live now. Please let me know when I can/should enable the indicators_client test suite
[12:41] <dednick> mzanetti: ok. will do
[12:42] <mhr3> pete-woods, applied http://paste.ubuntu.com/5843395/ but it's a bit overzealous, run a few sed's on the tree :)
[12:46] <pete-woods> mhr3: are you compiling it on raring?
[12:47] <pete-woods> (i.e. backporting it)
[12:47] <pete-woods> mhr3: because if so you will need to build qdjango from source, too
[12:48] <pete-woods> using the source package from saucy
[12:48] <mhr3> pete-woods, nope, i just grabbed the one from repos, worked fine
[12:48] <mhr3> pete-woods, and yes, raring
[12:49] <pete-woods> mhr3: that's very strange, qdjango 0.2.6 is built against qt4 and would normally segfault if you mix it with a qt5 library
[12:50] <pete-woods> mhr3: it would compile happily, though, leading to a false sense of success
[12:51] <mhr3> pete-woods, well, i didn't actually run the daemon, just wanted to compile unity8 and for that needed .pc file of usermetrics
[12:51] <pete-woods> mhr3: well I would advise if you actually want it to run, to also build the newer qdjango :)
[12:54] <mhr3> pete-woods, unity8 runs, that's important ;)
[12:54] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: well, the thing is that i am not really sure which are the failing tests
[12:54] <tsdgeos> potentially it's all of them i'd say
[12:55] <tsdgeos> since what happens is that sometimes i say "update"
[12:55] <tsdgeos> and the "update callback" doesn't come back
[12:56] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: I for one would be ok with disabling all of them until we switch to 5.1. As long as we have tests ready to be enabled and know the reason why they fail for now...
[12:57] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: not really sure what i prefer tbh
[12:57] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: you mean not switching to the new LVWPH until we have Qt5.1?
[12:58] <tsdgeos> well we have lrady swithced :d
[12:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: whats the other option then?
[13:00] <mzanetti> keeping the tests randomly failing until 5.1?
[13:00] <tsdgeos> ostrich-style
[13:00] <tsdgeos> :D
[13:01] <mzanetti> lol
[13:01] <tsdgeos> tbh don't know
[13:01] <mzanetti> tsdgeos: given that the switch to qt5.1 is still at least a month away, a -1 on that one from me
[13:02] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: sure
[13:02] <tsdgeos> i'm just thinking what is better
[13:02] <tsdgeos> revert LVWPH
[13:02] <tsdgeos> or just comment the tests
[13:02] <mzanetti> well, it does improve things already
[13:03] <tsdgeos> that's the question
[13:03] <tsdgeos> does it?
[13:03] <mzanetti> ah, you're not sure on that one?
[13:03] <tsdgeos> i mean, the failures we see on the tests
[13:03] <mzanetti> does this issue also happen with usage or only with tests?
[13:03] <tsdgeos> we could see in real life
[13:03] <tsdgeos> i don't see them
[13:03] <tsdgeos> ever
[13:03] <tsdgeos> and i think it's just because the "old" scheduler in 5.0 has issues with slow cpus
[13:04] <tsdgeos> but you know how threads work
[13:04] <mzanetti> whats the symptoms? a visual glitch or a complete lockup or crash?
[13:04] <tsdgeos> the fact that you don't see the problem doesn't mean it's not there
[13:04] <tsdgeos> the symptom is that a redraw of the scene is not triggered when it should
[13:04] <tsdgeos> probably on real life it's not so bad
[13:04] <tsdgeos> since you'll have another one soon
[13:04] <tsdgeos> but on tests
[13:05] <tsdgeos> where i do only 2 things
[13:05] <tsdgeos> it's very "obvious"
[13:05] <mzanetti> so a visual glitch... and most likely even a small one
[13:05] <tsdgeos> since sometimes the 2nd thing doesn't trigger the update
[13:05] <tsdgeos> on real life you'd have something else coming over and updating and you probably wouldn't notice anything
[13:05] <mzanetti> my vote goes to keeping LVWPH and temporarily disable tests
[13:06] <mzanetti> but probably Saviq is the one to decide ^
[13:07]  * dandrader jumps in the middle of the conversation
[13:07] <dednick> Saviq: so we now have a separate plugin and modules folder, but they end up going into the same folder anyway. sense?
[13:07] <dandrader> mzanetti, you mean temporarily disabling autopilot test or qmluitests?
[13:07] <mzanetti> dandrader: qmltests for LVWPH only
[13:07] <dandrader> ah, ok
[13:27] <Saviq> can you connect to mumble guys?
[13:28]  * Saviq reads backlog
[13:28]  * tsdgeos can't
[13:28]  * MacSlow can't connect to mumble-server anymore
[13:28] <paulliu> I can't.
[13:28] <Saviq> dednick, yes
[13:28] <Saviq> dednick, they end up on QML2_IMPORT_PATH
[13:28] <Saviq> dednick, we could just as well split it up, but there's probably no reason to
[13:29] <Saviq> dednick, or we could merge all of them into "qml" in our tree
[13:29] <tsdgeos> i'm in!
[13:29] <dednick> Saviq: yeah, i wasn't seeing the purpose of the split in the tree
[13:29] <dednick> seeing as they're merged in the tests/mocks as well.
[13:29] <Saviq> s/QML2_IMPORT_PATH/SHELL_PRIVATE_QML_IMPORT_PATH/
[13:31] <Saviq> nic-doffay, standup
[13:38] <nic-doffay>  Saviq trying to get mumble working...
[13:41] <cyphermox> pete-woods: yeah, you should have had a release at least yesterday
[13:42] <cyphermox> pete-woods: and I'm going to go check it out for today
[13:43] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I think we're missing a chewie release for the changes I made yesterday and renato's device-switch branch
[13:44]  * cyphermox flashes today's image
[13:47] <dednick> Saviq:  i dont think there is anything except the plugin folder at the moment. The module folder only exists in indicators, so i could just move it back to plugins fairly easily.
[13:48] <Saviq> dednick, we should rename it to "qml" probably
[13:48] <Saviq> dednick, to just be consistent with the installation path
[13:48] <dednick> Saviq: ok
[13:50] <nic-doffay> Cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/+junk/option-selectors
[13:51] <Cimi> nic-doffay, thx
[13:57] <Cimi> nic-doffay, what are you working on?
[13:57] <Cimi> nic-doffay, a new component?
[13:58] <Saviq> Cimi, http://design.ubuntu.com/apps/building-blocks/option-selector
[13:58] <Cimi> got it
[14:01] <nic-doffay> Cimi, yeah OptionSelector
[14:02] <Saviq> dednick, why do you reckon it's using fakes on ./run?
[14:03] <dednick> Saviq: sorry, i think it was just my branch.
[14:03] <Saviq> dednick, other than fake apps and LightDM, which is on purpose?
[14:03] <Saviq> dednick, k
[14:04] <dednick> Saviq: forgot to add the modules path to the import overrides.
[14:16] <didrocks> Saviq: first unity8 daily release completed!
[14:19] <pete-woods> cyphermox: thanks, it was just that someone was asking where they could get hold of one of the libraries, and I looked in all the PPAs, but couldn't see it. hadn't realised it was going to distro!
[14:24] <Saviq> didrocks, !!!
[14:25] <Saviq> didrocks, so now's the time to read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ right? ;)
[14:25] <didrocks> Saviq: I guess it is time :)
[14:26] <didrocks> Saviq: the integration tests are not running, tell me if/once they are ready so that I can add them
[14:26] <Saviq> didrocks, it's still in my browser-tab-queue
[14:26] <didrocks> (for unity-api, unity8 and the whole stack)
[14:26] <didrocks> great!
[14:26] <Saviq> didrocks, there are some integration tests, we could have them enabled, really
[14:26] <didrocks> Saviq: as you wish, just tell me :)
[14:26] <cyphermox> pete-woods: np
[14:26] <Saviq> didrocks, we'll be growing them soon
[14:26] <Saviq> didrocks, but enabling them now is a good idea as any
[14:26] <dandrader> greyback gone?
[14:27] <didrocks> Saviq: if you prefer to wait, that's fine as long as it's landing to a PPA
[14:27] <Saviq> didrocks, I don't see any advantage in waiting
[14:28] <didrocks> Saviq: ok, so installing unity8-autopilot and running "unity8" autopilot target, anything else?
[14:28] <Saviq> didrocks, nothing else now
[14:29] <Cimi> mzanetti, lol looks like I terribly broke the calendar somehow
[14:30] <mzanetti> Cimi: indeed
[14:30] <Cimi> mzanetti, I swear it was working before publishing the branch
[14:30] <Cimi> !
[14:30] <mzanetti> :)
[14:31] <Cimi> mzanetti, it's onCurrentDateChanged
[14:31] <Cimi> mzanetti, it conflicts with onCurrentIndexChanged
[14:31] <Cimi> mzanetti, because they both do stuff...
[14:33] <mzanetti> Cimi: why do you reset the model anyways onCurrentDateChanged?
[14:33] <mzanetti> Cimi: shouldn't you just set the currentIndex in there?
[14:33] <mzanetti> Cimi: unless its outside of min/may. In that case print a error message and do nothing
[14:33] <mzanetti> s/may/max/
[14:35] <Saviq> didrocks, ah wait, we still depend on indicators from https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/desktop-deps/
[14:36] <Saviq> didrocks, that dep will be gone next week at the latest
[14:36] <didrocks> Saviq: you have conditional code building?
[14:36] <Saviq> didrocks, no, it's a runtime dep
[14:36] <Saviq> didrocks, it's actually a recommends
[14:36] <didrocks> ah, anyway, it's in the next ppa, so not as important as if it was in distro :)
[14:37] <Saviq> didrocks, but there is a dep for indicators-client
[14:37] <Saviq> didrocks, so the integration tests will fail without that
[14:37] <Cimi> mzanetti, yes yes
[14:37] <Saviq> didrocks, so we might wait for that before enabling them
[14:37] <Cimi> mzanetti, it should change if no element has that month
[14:38] <Cimi> mzanetti, I need to rewrite that crap
[14:38] <mzanetti> Cimi: ok. let me know if you need something or are ready for another review
[14:38] <didrocks> Saviq: no worry, it's a 10 minutes thing to enable it, just ping me :)
[14:38] <Saviq> didrocks, will do
[14:38] <Cimi> mzanetti, I thought code worked
[14:39] <mzanetti> Cimi: yeah... guess what happened to me with the launcher
[14:39] <Cimi> mzanetti, then my plan was to use for cycles to fetch inside the current model and append elements instead clearing all
[14:39] <Cimi> on a second review
[14:39] <Cimi> mzanetti, at this point I just rewrite all of them into a 'bigga review'
[14:39] <mzanetti> Cimi: ok
[14:47] <Saviq> didrocks, shall powerpc be disabled for ppa:ubuntu-unity/next? nothing builds due to missing Qt?
[14:48] <didrocks> Saviq: no, we keep the ppa with the same configuration than distro
[14:48] <didrocks> Saviq: it just dep-wait, which is fine
[14:48] <Saviq> didrocks, ok
[14:48] <didrocks> (I know, the cross is a little bit puzzling)
[14:48] <didrocks> but daily releases deals with that
[14:48] <Saviq> didrocks, ok
[14:48] <didrocks> if one day, we have powerpc, it will wait on it before copying
[14:49] <didrocks> as long as it dep-wait, it will treat that as non existant :p
[14:57] <rsalveti> cyphermox: yeah, didn't create a release because of an annoying bug when using any switch in the network-indicator
[14:58] <rsalveti> it just goes to 'Empty!'
[14:58] <cyphermox> ah?
[14:58] <rsalveti> so if you disable wifi, for example, you can't enable it again
[14:58] <cyphermox> the switch works fine here
[14:58] <rsalveti> not related with your change
[14:58] <cyphermox> actually it could be
[14:58] <m4n1sh> can someone have a look at Merge Req for Bug #1196878 and #1196800 and #1196822
[14:58] <ubot5`> bug 1196878 in Unity Videos Lens "Port Unity Lens Video to libzeitgeist2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196878
[14:58] <ubot5`> bug 1196822 in unity-lens-applications "Port unity-lens-applications to libzeitgeist2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196822
[14:58] <ubot5`> bug 1196800 in unity-lens-files "Port Unity Files Lens to libzeitgeist2" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196800
[14:58] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I'll test this some more
[14:58] <cyphermox> has everything landed?
[14:59] <cyphermox> I mean, in trunk?
[14:59] <rsalveti> cyphermox: bug 1195787
[14:59] <ubot5`> bug 1195787 in touch-preview-images "Network indicator shows empty list after associating" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195787
[14:59] <rsalveti> same happens when disabling/enabling wifi
[14:59] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:59] <rsalveti> cyphermox: also, noticed that nm is unable to auto connect with my sim card, seems it's trying it too early
[14:59] <cyphermox> I think it's still the same issue
[14:59] <cyphermox> ah, ok
[15:00] <cyphermox> can you ship me logs
[15:00] <rsalveti> sure, let me just do our stand up first
[15:00] <cyphermox> like, file a bug for that and add syslog so I can see what happens?
[15:02] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, greyback, dandrader who wants to try (and ideally has the time today still) and strip the shell (or build something minimal) that shows this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1197801 ?
[15:02] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1197801 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Unity8 is hogging the CPU when idle" [Critical,In progress]
[15:03] <tsdgeos> Saviq: do we have any clue of what's causing it?
[15:03] <Saviq> tsdgeos, we've narrowed it down to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/revision/570
[15:04] <Saviq> tsdgeos, Kaleo_ is on it, but he's on raring, so can't get the shell to run
[15:04] <tsdgeos> :/
[15:07] <cyphermox> rsalveti: I think today's image also didn't take the latest NM
[15:07] <dandrader> Saviq, well, I can try. have 75% of my work day ahead of me still
[15:07] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'm a bit busy with mzanetti's listview snap bug, if someone else can take it, it'd be great
[15:08] <Saviq> dandrader, I'll try and get as close as possible (my current plan is to just let him use -f)
[15:08] <greyback> I'm a bit busy too, but can try later on this evening if I have time
[15:09] <dandrader> Saviq, erm, so you will do it as well? does it make sense to have 2 persons working on the very same thing?
[15:09] <Saviq> dandrader, I mean that I'll get as close as possible
[15:09] <Saviq> dandrader, and let you take over in 20 mins or so
[15:09] <dandrader> Saviq, ah, ok. let me know when you're done
[15:09] <Saviq> dandrader, actually I might've just finished :d
[15:09] <tsdgeos> that was fast!
[15:10] <Saviq> dandrader, need to see on a clean(er) machine
[15:40] <rsalveti> cyphermox: hm, that's weird
[15:41] <cyphermox> so I'm not dreaming?
[15:41] <cyphermox> I do upgrade and get it though
[15:41]  * rsalveti checking
[15:41] <rsalveti> network-manager	<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu13phablet1
[15:41] <rsalveti> seems to be the latest
[15:42] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:42] <cyphermox> somehow the image build didn't catch it yet
[15:42] <cyphermox> perhaps it was just a tad too late to get published
[15:43] <rsalveti> well, that's from the manifest
[15:43] <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.manifest
[15:43] <cyphermox> oh
[15:43] <cyphermox> then I didn't get the right image
[15:43] <rsalveti> but we'll respin another image in a few anyway
[15:43] <cyphermox> ah
[15:43] <cyphermox> I didn't get the right image, that's why
[15:43] <cyphermox> I had 03.1
[15:44] <cyphermox> ok, indeed indicator-network gets empty when you deselect a wireless item
[15:47] <rsalveti> Saviq: hey, how long do you think it'll take to fix bug 1197801?
[15:47] <ubot5`> bug 1197801 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Unity8 is hogging the CPU when idle" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197801
[15:47] <rsalveti> just trying to figure out if we should wait it to be fixed before triggering a new image
[15:47] <Saviq> rsalveti, probably not
[15:47] <Saviq> rsalveti, Kaleo_ is looking into it
[15:48] <Saviq> rsalveti, I'm preparing a trimmed-down shell for him to reproduce on raring
[15:48] <rsalveti> right
[15:48] <Saviq> rsalveti, and he'll revert if failed
[15:48] <rsalveti> Kaleo_: just update to saucy, lazy boy :P
[15:48] <Kaleo_> rsalveti: no
[15:48] <Kaleo_> rsalveti: we support app developers
[15:48] <Kaleo_> rsalveti: app developers don't use saucy
[15:49] <rsalveti> Kaleo_: I know, but I like to bug you
[15:49] <Kaleo_> rsalveti: in that case; come here
[15:49] <Kaleo_> rsalveti: we are waiting for you :)$
[15:49] <rsalveti> Kaleo_: indeed!
[15:49] <Kaleo_> and now, lunch
[15:49] <Kaleo_> see you soon
[15:50] <rsalveti> yeah, let me eat something as well
[17:12] <Cimi> mzanetti, I kinda (maybe) fixed it
[17:12] <Cimi> mzanetti, but tomorrow I'll continue working on the for things...
[17:12] <mzanetti> Cimi: ok
[17:12] <Cimi> for cycles
[17:28] <dednick_> larsu: ping


[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:00] <Waddup> morning lordievader
[08:00] <lordievader> Hey Waddup
[08:22] <Waddup> hey whats up
[08:23] <lordievader> Not much, having coffee. How are you?
[08:23] <Waddup> im good
[08:24] <Waddup> i just removed the raid fs im having and put on a 4tb wd red on it.
[08:24] <Waddup> i needed it to run while i test the drives one by one and see whats wrong
[16:00] <teward> no server team meeting this week?
[18:06] <teethplus> hello
[18:08] <teethplus> I was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction of finding the different subnets that a establishment may be using?
[18:10] <teward> teethplus: you'd do that at whatever handles DHCP or cross-subnet routing... what exactly are you trying to find
[18:10] <teethplus> I'm trying to find the network printers.
[18:11] <tonyyarusso> By far the easiest way would be to ask humans who ought to know.  Did someone get fired without leaving documentation?
[18:11] <teethplus> yeah
[18:11] <tonyyarusso> Oof.
[18:12] <tonyyarusso> Do you have physical access to the printers?  Most will let you either show the IP information on an LCD or print out their configuration.
[18:12] <teethplus> I'm not sure if that is an acronym or if its an automatopia
[18:13] <teethplus> yeah I can do that for the ones in the office but we have some remote and I guess I can ask someone to run through the menu for me
[18:14] <teethplus> I was just wondering if there was some way I could look it up without having to do any leg work
[18:14] <teward> you should use a print server in the future
[18:14] <tonyyarusso> DHCP = Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol, IP = Internet Protocol (information in this case being address), LCD = Liquid Crystal Display
[18:14] <teward> teethplus: not really, not without nmap scanning the universe.
[18:14] <tonyyarusso> Oof = just an exclamation
[18:14] <teward> i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>/8, <IP_ADDRESS>/18 (i think?), <IP_ADDRESS>/16
[18:15] <teethplus> thanks for clearing that up tony
[18:15] <tonyyarusso> teward: Pretty sure the middle one is 172.16, not 127.
[18:15] <tonyyarusso> But, uh, Wikipedia.
[18:16] <tonyyarusso> It might be /17 too
[18:16] <tonyyarusso> Now I'm going to have to look it up or it will bother me.
[18:17] <teethplus> well thanks guys, I guess I will have to check all the printers manually
[18:17] <tonyyarusso> Right on the numbers, wrong on the mask.  <IP_ADDRESS>/8, <IP_ADDRESS>/*12*, and <IP_ADDRESS>/16.
[18:17] <tonyyarusso> Obviously it had to be between /8 and /16.  We're idiots.  :)
[18:19] <tonyyarusso> teethplus: Scanning the entire RFC1918 ranges might work for you, but poring through the results is probably more work than phoning someone up at each remote site and having them look at the device.  (And will only work if your firewalls allow it.)
[18:20] <teethplus> Its never easy is it.
[18:20] <teethplus> Thanks again for your help
[18:21] <tonyyarusso> Of course not - that's why we get paid ;)
[18:22] <teethplus> Wait what? that changes everything jk
[18:29] <sarnold> tonyyarusso: avahi-browse -alr might get you there
[23:05] <fishcooker> how to negate routing in case on vpn i want all connection to certain network will use this routing rule, others will use default route/gateway?
[23:06] <TJ-> Use a separate routing table for the VPN
[23:08] <fishcooker> on which file TJ-
[23:08] <TJ-> fishcooker: See "man ip-route" and the section of "Route tables"
[23:19] <TJ-> fishcooker: the concept you need is "policy routing". The iproute2-doc package might contain more info. There are also many web resources
[23:20] <sarnold> see also http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.html
[23:21] <fishcooker> thankyou TJ- + sarnold
[23:21] <fishcooker> if we have default password for root then we want to make it pronounceable for easy remembrance.. how to do that?
[23:22] <TJ-> !root | fishcooker
[23:23] <sarnold> fishcooker: diceware is popular; you can also use passwdqc's pwqgen program, screenshot here http://openwall.com/passwdqc/screenshots


[00:49] <infinity> wgrant: I was going to fix the displayname myself, but although I have access to the name changey page, it gets annoyed with me when I submit. :P
[00:49] <infinity> wgrant: Still, I think the namespace pollution of the username itself is also wrong.
[01:13] <wgrant> infinity: Sure, but we don't forcibly change people's names unless their abusive.
[01:13] <wgrant> ...
[01:13] <wgrant> they're
[01:17] <infinity> wgrant: No, but we can suggest a name change, and then execute on it if they agree.
[01:18] <infinity> wgrant: I wasn't suggesting forcing anything, just asking if you had contacts, since they've talked to you in the past while writing the bot.
[01:18] <wgrant> infinity: It seems to be different people every time, but I'll see if I can work out who is in charge.
[01:35] <infinity> pitti: Do you know why the apport autopkgtest has been failing for ages?
[07:17] <Noskcaj> Is something broken in the lp:debian/* branches? None seem to be updating
[07:45] <wgrant> Noskcaj: It wasn't updated for stretch and wily. I've added them and restarted it.
[07:45] <Noskcaj> thanks wgrant
[07:45] <Noskcaj> also, http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ needs a wily version if you have time
[07:46] <Noskcaj> tumbleweed, http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/neglected/ seems to be broken
[17:47] <tumbleweed> Noskcaj: it looks like UDD imports broke on syklone
[17:47] <tumbleweed> (ubuntuwire)
[21:19] <ari-tczew> xnox: could you take a look in free time on bug 1458397 ?
[21:43] <Noskcaj> ari-tczew, mousepad merge should be fixed.
[21:45] <Noskcaj> The delta should be gone before we release wily, so i don't think it's a huge issue to over-simplify it
[22:01] <ari-tczew> Noskcaj: You just edit debdiff manually, right?
[22:01] <ari-tczew> I don't think today is 07 May.
[22:02] <ari-tczew> "patch: **** malformed patch at line 154: "
[22:04] <Noskcaj> I edited it manually, i think the malformed line is from a missing whitespace line
[22:05] <Noskcaj> I suppose i'll just wait till UDD is fixed, since debdiffs/MoM is always a pain to use
[22:05] <ari-tczew> Noskcaj: I don't think using debdiffs is a pain.
[22:06] <ari-tczew> It's a question of quality work.
[22:07] <Noskcaj> I realise, i've just never used debdiffs since they take longer, so i forgot easy stuff like fixing the name
[22:08] <Noskcaj> And irrelevant of my quality of work i don't get upload rights, so i try to get as much stuff done in the little time i have to do ubuntu stuff
[22:09] <ari-tczew> Noskcaj: You could just use dch script and rebuild a source. Then you can regenerate a debdiff. It's simple and don't take too much time. In effect you provide appropriate quality of work.
[22:09] <Noskcaj> I'll look into it
[22:14] <ari-tczew> Noskcaj: You take it as "easy stuff" and your reason is a fact you still don't have upload access. It's not a reason to poor taking care of minor things. Personally, I'm not aware that you'll remember about such things when you got upload access.
[22:27] <ari-tczew> Noskcaj: anyway, your debdiff needs to be fixed. I'll comment that on LP.