[17:20] <_Andrew> Has anyone else been bitten by the fact that cmake is broken for 64bit builds with 11.10?


[01:52] <smoser> jgrimm, here now
[07:42] <MrBleu> Hello all !
[08:33] <MrBleu> Is there any way to "rsync" in cloud-init ?
[17:21] <larsks> Hey folks, I'm seeing cloud-init-local crash on boot when it tries to read /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier.  It gets an EINVAL and blows up.  It looks like reads of this file will always return EINVAL when the link is down, and since cloud-init-local runs *before* networking, the link is always going to be in that state.
[17:22] <larsks> Has anyone else seen this behavior?  Simply running 'ip link set eth0 down' followed by 'cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier' will reproduce the problem.
[18:19] <larsks> On that topic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1646919
[18:38] <smoser> larsks, https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/305882
[18:38] <smoser> i think
[18:39] <larsks> Looks likely.
[18:39] <smoser> i marked yours a dupe. un-dupe if you like.
[18:39] <smoser> if you want to give harlowja's branch a kick, go for it.
[18:39] <harlowja> supp
[18:39] <harlowja> lol
[18:40] <smoser> i've just been kind of weary of pulling it as it seems like it could possibly go awry
[18:40] <harlowja> my code is perfect
[18:40] <harlowja> lol
[18:40] <smoser> that, and harlowja has not been responsive ;)
[18:40] <harlowja> oops
[18:40] <larsks> smoser, agreed, looks like a dupe.
[18:40] <larsks> harlowja, kick.
[18:41] <harlowja> kick
[18:41] <harlowja> lol
[18:41] <harlowja> soccer time
[18:45] <harlowja> larsks ya, i'll fix it
[18:45] <larsks> \o/
[18:50] <harlowja> @smoser do u recall https://gist.github.com/harlowja/eb6f6688b3d6cefcaf302e588e034d9f
[18:50] <harlowja> switching to building in a docker container
[18:50] <harlowja> and hit that
[18:51] <harlowja> on 0.7.7
[18:51] <harlowja> let me see if bumping up the cloud-init tag works/helps
[18:51] <smoser> that is fixed i think
[18:51] <harlowja> k
[18:52] <smoser> harlowja, 9972d246947f1a6ec102b978b99b26acc43133ec
[18:52] <harlowja> k
[18:52] <harlowja> switching up to 0.7.8
[19:06] <harlowja> https://gist.github.com/harlowja/fa0ee4aa83acf8d7a35bf3b3742330e6 poop
[19:06] <harlowja> lol
[19:06] <smoser> suck
[19:07] <smoser> harlowja, well, that is also fixed.
[19:07] <harlowja> ya, prob, ha
[19:07] <smoser> seems like maybe we need an 0.7.9 for you, eh?
[19:07] <harlowja> https://gist.github.com/harlowja/6c403b87249c84b914e3d60dc4d388a8 (my jenkinsfile that is running all this)
[19:08] <harlowja> can we get a 0.7.9 release with all those fixes :-P
[19:09] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23569017/
[19:09] <harlowja> woah
[19:10] <harlowja> u the man
[19:10] <harlowja> lol
[19:10] <harlowja> let me see if master works, ha
[19:11] <smoser> please do
[19:11] <harlowja> https://gist.github.com/harlowja/ed6dc735af22a491edf021690a43a49f
[19:11] <harlowja> poopie
[19:11] <harlowja> lol
[19:11] <harlowja> two instances of new-style syntax :-P
[19:11] <smoser> do you create gists manually ?
[19:11] <harlowja> ya
[19:12] <harlowja> this is me copying from a jenkins console file
[19:12] <harlowja> to a gist, lol
[19:12] <smoser> :-(
[19:12] <smoser> ok.
[19:12] <smoser> i can fix that for you quick. or you can and i'll pull
[19:12] <harlowja> i can
[19:12] <smoser> i'd really like the other branch you have to come in
[19:12] <harlowja> i got it covered boss
[19:12] <smoser> it scares me though..
[19:12] <harlowja> lol
[19:12] <smoser> the io errors one that larsks wants
[19:12] <harlowja> its xmas, not halloween man
[19:12] <harlowja> lol
[19:12] <harlowja> don't be scared
[19:13] <harlowja> be all santa like
[19:13] <harlowja> lol
[19:13]  * smoser is blamed for that set notation
[19:13] <harlowja> :-p
[19:13] <smoser> i didnt know
[19:13] <smoser> oh. thats 2.6 even. wow.
[19:13] <harlowja> ya
[19:14] <smoser> :-(
[19:25] <smoser> harlowja, i'm fix and push the py26
[19:25] <harlowja> oh ok
[19:25] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23569084/
[19:25] <smoser> right ?
[19:25] <harlowja> i was nearly there, ha
[19:25] <smoser> that passes in my cent6 container now
[19:25] <harlowja> except i just got `fatal: remote error: DNS lookup failed: address 'xmlrpc.lp.internal' not found: [Errno -2] Name or service not known.`
[19:25] <smoser> is there something more ?
[19:25] <harlowja> when git pushing
[19:25] <harlowja> which was weird, ha
[19:25] <smoser> you work on the other one.
[19:25] <smoser> yeah, that is wierd.
[19:25] <smoser> :-(
[19:26] <harlowja> ha
[19:26] <smoser> if you want to 'git show'
[19:26] <smoser> and paste
[19:26] <smoser> i can grab your credit too
[19:26] <harlowja> my credit card is in there
[19:26] <harlowja> gittttttt
[19:26] <harlowja> lol
[19:27] <smoser> git config user.routing_number<PHONE_NUMBER>43
[19:27] <smoser> bah.
[19:27] <smoser> did i type that in irc ?
[19:27] <harlowja> whats the security code
[19:27] <harlowja> lol
[19:27] <larsks> harlowja, in your sys-io-errors branch, should read_sys_net just have a on_einval parameter (since EINVAL is expected for down interfaces)?
[19:27] <harlowja> larsks i'm gonna go with yes
[19:28] <harlowja> :-P
[19:28] <larsks> ...because that would simplify a lot :)
[19:29] <harlowja> smoser paste looks ok to me
[19:29] <harlowja> u can do https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/312390 also
[19:29] <harlowja> back way when i didn't know those links expired, ha
[19:29] <harlowja> oh well
[19:30] <smoser> oh. they do ? i didnt know that.
[19:30] <smoser> :-(
[19:30] <harlowja> well or amazon changed it
[19:30] <harlowja> so its dead anyway, lol
[19:30] <harlowja> http://bit.ly/TyoUQs ---> nowhere now
[19:34] <smoser> ill hold off on thatone. ast here are other bit.ly broken links
[19:34] <harlowja> k
[19:34] <smoser> i think its all just the actual links being dead
[19:34] <smoser> not bit.lky
[19:34] <harlowja> ya, amazon
[19:34] <harlowja> amazon fault
[19:51] <harlowja> ok larsks smoser https://code.launchpad.net/~harlowja/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/305882 updated
[19:56] <larsks> harlowja, lgtm.
[19:58] <harlowja> larsks u are the person who could possibly say update the package for cloud-init on epel right :-P
[19:58] <harlowja> i'm sure mdorman_ would like that :-P
[19:58] <harlowja> *epel 7 and 6 :)
[19:59] <harlowja> wink wink
[19:59] <larsks> harlowja, sort of.  I'm working on an updated package in RHEL.
[19:59] <larsks> That should work it's way into CentOS.  The one in EPEL should probably just go away.
[19:59] <larsks> But I will look into it.
[20:00] <harlowja> u will get a cookie
[20:19] <larsks> harlowja, oops, your patch has a bug (line 239)
[20:19] <larsks> ...which shows up when you run the tests :)
[20:36] <harlowja> ah
[20:38] <harlowja> good catch, was running the test_net test, guess another one hit it or something
[20:39] <smoser> you might as well fix larsks's comment about the super set too.
[20:39] <smoser> names.extend(sorted(potential_interfaces))
[20:39] <smoser>  ...
[20:39] <smoser>  for name in names:
[20:39] <larsks> Now I'm looking at a unicodedecodeerror exception.
[20:39] <smoser>    if name not in potential_interfaces:
[20:39] <smoser>    ...
[20:40] <harlowja> k
[20:40] <harlowja> done
[21:08] <smoser> harlowja, open to disagreement
[21:08] <smoser> you use _on_excp_false once
[21:08] <smoser> well, 3 times, one function
[21:09] <smoser> any reason not to have it namespaced inside that function
[21:11] <harlowja> ??
[21:12] <harlowja> ah
[21:12] <harlowja> i can namespace
[21:13] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23569503/
[21:14] <harlowja> ya
[21:14] <harlowja> updated with that
[21:15] <smoser> powersj, magicalChicken http://paste.ubuntu.com/23569508
[21:15] <smoser> maybe because i'm in a container ?
[21:16] <smoser> or because i'm root ?
[21:16] <powersj> smoser: I think so
[21:16] <powersj> you can run as non-root
[21:16] <powersj> I do everything as my own user or jenkins user
[21:16] <smoser> well, i was in a container
[21:16] <smoser> so i was non-[real]root
[21:16] <powersj> ah yeah
[21:16] <smoser> what branch should i try ?
[21:17] <powersj> start with mine as it is what I am going to push to merge https://git.launchpad.net/~powersj/cloud-init/?h=integration-testing
[21:17] <smoser> k
[21:20] <larsks> smoser, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsks/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/312399 fixes a unicodedecodeerror I was hitting on centos 7.
[21:21] <smoser> powersj, http://paste.ubuntu.com/23569531
[21:22] <powersj> container is already running... that's a new one
[21:22] <powersj> still doing this in a container?
[21:22] <smoser> larsks, is there a specific reason for utf-8 there ?
[21:22] <smoser> rather than just encode()
[21:23] <larsks> No specific reason, other than "make everyting utf-8".  What does .encode() with no encoding do?
[21:23] <larsks> I see, uses the default encoding.
[21:23] <larsks> Sounds good to me.  I will update.
[21:24] <smoser> powersj, no, that was outside now
[21:25] <smoser> harlowja, if theres a bug, try to remember to
[21:25] <smoser>  LP: #XXXX
[21:25] <smoser> in the commit
[21:26] <harlowja> ah
[21:26] <larsks> smoser, does LP: do something magical?  Or is that just informative?
[21:26] <smoser> and larsks for you, not Closes-bug
[21:26] <smoser> but LP: #
[21:26] <smoser> launchpad does read that now.
[21:26] <larsks> Ah, okay.
[21:26] <powersj> smoser: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23569555/
[21:27] <smoser> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git <-- "Linking to bugs"
[21:27] <smoser> larsks, and also, i've got stuff that scrapes that info for ubuntu changelog entries
[21:28] <larsks> I've updated the merge request w/ LP: and .encode() with no explicit encoding.
[21:28] <smoser> powersj, i'm on 16.04 on that system.
[21:28] <smoser> lxc 2.05
[21:28] <smoser> is that relevant ?
[21:29] <powersj> smoser: might be, torkoal is running 2.6.2 and I'm running 2.4.1
[21:29] <powersj> I didn't consider that
[21:29] <powersj> actually that is the output of lxc --version... the package version on torkoal is 2.0.5....
[21:29] <smoser> powersj, from ?
[21:29] <smoser> hm... odd
[21:30] <smoser> well, that'd probably stricktly be the client
[21:30] <smoser> maybe
[21:30] <smoser> i dont know
[21:31] <smoser> larsks, maybe SysConf should just convert to a string ?
[21:32] <smoser> wait. mayb not
[21:32] <smoser> i'm just trying to think of fallout . somone getting a string now when they expected bytes.
[21:33] <smoser> hm.. now im' confused.
[21:33] <larsks> smoser, I'm pretty sure this is a safe change.
[21:33] <smoser> we're calling load_file with no 'decode'
[21:34] <smoser> so it should get the decode=True
[21:34] <larsks> Ah, that sounds nicer.
[21:34] <larsks> I have to take off, but I will look at that later this evening.
[21:34] <smoser> which  means it should already return a string
[21:35] <smoser> unless, larsks 0439d8a17d181a2546f2f7cb2d71a04bbb13b186 already fixed it for you ?
[21:35] <smoser> and yeah, i'm turning into a pumpkin now too
[21:35] <smoser> i'll leaev that in the MP
[21:37] <smoser> man python2 is confusing.
[21:39] <smoser> i'm confused.


[07:23] <zequence> len-dt: ubuntustudio-default-settings is ahead of our branch by one commit
[07:23] <zequence> micahg: What's your opinion abou thtat?
[09:58] <zequence> len-dt: micahg: I've come to understand that it is possible to lock certaing packages, making uploading to those privileged to a team. But, since we don't have upload rights within the active members of the team, I don't see how this would benefit us atm. Also, I guess we don't really need it either. Just that we have that option
[12:35] <ttoine> hi
[12:35] <ttoine> zequence, Bug #1077508
[12:36] <ttoine> the fix is released, it means that the current version is now available somewhere. But where ?
[12:39] <zequence> ttoine: The development branch, so in 13.04 raring, atm
[12:40] <zequence> ttoine: We can do an SRU to earlier releases
[12:40] <zequence> ttoine: Are both 12.04 and 12.10 affected?
[12:40] <ttoine> zequence, is it difficult ?
[12:40] <zequence> ttoine: I haven't yet done one. There is a procedure for it
[12:41] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[12:41] <zequence> A bit of administration :)
[12:46] <smartboyhw> ttoine, don't worry zequence will surely do it:P
[13:41] <zequence> we do need to get better at both SRU and backporting :)
[13:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[14:01] <ttoine> smartboyhw, zequence, so I just have to wait ?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ttoine, no you can do the SRU yourself if you want
[14:21] <zequence> ttoine: I will shortly start doing that, so I can take care of that one as well. I'll be doing the same for jackd2
[14:30] <zequence> I added a new blueprint for SRU https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/ubuntustudio-sru
[14:30] <zequence> There's also one for backports https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/ubuntustudio-backports
[14:36] <ttoine> zequence, so, are you a Ubuntu member ?
[14:37] <smartboyhw> ttoine, he is (starting from yesterday)
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Gee that's quick. zequence created the blueprint 12 minutes ago and immediately scott-work subscribed!
[14:45] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I definitely have to become a member ;-)
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ttoine, er hrm zequence survived not to be a member for several years;P
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ttoine, give me your wiki link and I'll write a testimonial
[14:58] <smartboyhw> zequence, strangely I found a 1-year old empty blueprint by scott-work in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/new-images-plymouth-lightdm-wallpaper
[15:21] <ttoine> smartboyhw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ttoine
[15:22] <ttoine> smartboyhw, I agree, I survice without being a member for mor than 6 years ago ;-)
[15:22] <smartboyhw> ttoine, :P
[15:22] <ttoine> I survive
[15:36] <ttoine> smartboyhw, but for example, to get the twitter account it will be easier with a @ubuntu.com email address
[15:36] <ttoine> same when I chat with developper of Pitivi, or hardware manufacturer/vendors
[15:37] <smartboyhw> ttoine, did write a testimonial
[15:37] <smartboyhw> bye everyone
[15:38] <ttoine> zequence, about Public Relation where are we with access to wordpress, sync with facebook, etc.. ?
[15:38] <ttoine> it would be great to add the jetpack 2 plugin to our worpdress, too
[16:00] <zequence> ttoine: Let me look it up. If we could post on as many places as possible from one place, that would be great
[16:01] <zequence> ttoine: Yea, it looks really great
[16:07] <ttoine> zequence, I already use jetpack on some of my customer websites
[16:08] <ttoine> it works well for that
[16:08] <ttoine> only google+ is missing at the moment, but I think that Google is still looking at a better way to get content from websites
[16:09] <zequence> ttoine: I'll suggest it on the mail list. Scott was to look into that, but it seems like this plugin would really make things easy for us
[16:09] <ttoine> zequence, indeed
[16:09] <zequence> So, hopefully, if he agrees, we are all set
[16:10] <ttoine> zequence, it would be great if we can create a team with access to wordpress
[16:10] <ttoine> And I would like to be in
[16:10] <zequence> ttoine: We have the website team for that
[16:10] <zequence> Everyone in that team have access to the web site
[16:10] <ttoine> yes, but who can create and edit content ?
[16:10] <zequence> Anyone on that team
[16:14] <ttoine> zequence, I can go on the dashboard
[16:14] <ttoine> but I can't do anything on wordpress. I only have a access to my profile
[16:14] <ttoine> susbcriber role, I think
[16:14] <ttoine> not author or editor
[16:16] <zequence> ttoine: Members of ~ubuntustudio-website log in with their LP account and get access to everything. I'm in that team, and have access to everything.
[16:17] <ttoine> I may not be in that team, so
[16:17] <zequence> So, once we decide on who will be actively doing PR, and with this plugin in place, it should be a simple matter of adding people to the website team and let them start working
[16:18] <zequence> I'm in the team because I'm doing documentation, but I will not want to be doing any of the PR :)
[16:19] <ttoine> zequence, I would like to be too for documentation... and PR too
[16:22] <zequence> ttoine: Sure, but I would prefer we do all of the documentation on the wiki first, before we export it to the website (so it's easier for many people to cooperate)
[16:23] <zequence> ttoine: G+ doesn't yet have multiple admin support for pages, but it is coming
[16:23] <zequence> But, it's possible to have multiple pages with the same name :P
[16:23] <zequence> And we should probably just start a new account for this
[16:36] <zequence> ttoine: I see you are member of the dev team
[16:36] <zequence> ttoine: That might mean you have access
[16:36] <zequence> ttoine: Try going here http://ubuntustudio.org/wp-admin
[16:36] <zequence> And login with your LP account
[17:22] <ttoine> zequence, I can login with my lp account
[17:22] <ttoine> but I only have a subscriber role
[17:22] <ttoine> I can't write anything
[17:27] <zequence> ttoine: We should look at adding at least headlines for news onto the main page
[17:34] <zequence> ttoine: Seems like we can't install plugins though. Tried updating some stuff, and to do that, we need to have access to the server
[17:40] <ttoine> with admin role, you should be able to add plugins
[17:40] <ttoine> zequence, what is the server ? it is provided by canonical ?
[17:40] <ttoine> who managed it ?
[17:42] <zequence> ttoine: canonical manages the server yes. We can request changes at rt.ubuntu.com. I will do so, as soon as Scott confirms, so that we have consensus
[17:42] <zequence> Seems all we can do is create, delete pages. And change settings, etc. But not do any sort of updating/installation
[17:43] <ttoine> zequence, how did you install the theme ?
[17:43] <zequence> ttoine: knome made it. I believe he gets it uploaded somehow through canonical as well
[17:43] <zequence> Or, rt.ubuntu.com
[17:59] <ttoine> speaking about the theme, most of ubuntu related blogs, etc. use the same wordpress theme
[18:00] <ttoine> maybe we should get this one, colore it in blue, put our logo, and so our website would be more integrated in the general ubuntu communication ?
[18:01] <micahg> zequence: smartboyhw's merge should be merged in since it was uploaded
[18:02] <zequence> This is not something any of the other flavors do, and while I can agree that Ubuntu Studio should profile itself as a Ubuntu installation well configured for multimedia creation (with additional helpers, such as the custom menu), I don't think the website needs to look Ubuntu. Also, I have the feeling it will be difficult to get people to agree on such a move :)
[18:03] <zequence> ttoine: ^
[18:03] <micahg> zequence: and locking wouldn't have helped in this case, there should be some socialization, especially for flavor specific packages, that the team should be consulted before random uploads are accepted done, except in extenuating circumstances
[18:03] <micahg> *accepted or done
[18:05] <micahg> I'll try to follow up with a mail to ubuntu-devel later, I'm off today and wanted it to be a computer-free day for the most part
[18:05] <zequence> micahg:  Ah, sorry to interrupt you on your day off :)
[18:06] <micahg> no worries
[18:07] <zequence> micahg: Why wouldn't locking help? Doesn't that prevent ubuntu devs from uploading?
[18:09] <ttoine> zequence, ok, it was just an idea
[23:10] <micahg> zequence: we wouldn't do that anyways in the archive, core devs can upload everything


[11:06] <airurando> afternoon
[11:06] <airurando> ebel I see you can now apply for the 12.10 DVDs
[11:07] <ebel> ah cool
[11:07] <ebel> I saw your email
[11:07] <slashbel> we still have a box full of 12.04 discs
[11:07] <ebel> Don't worry I still have the previous box of CDs
[11:08] <czajkowski> handy to have think 091 labs took a chunk away from skycon
[11:09] <airurando> I'll take the 12.04 ones of you ebel once the 12.10 one arrive.  We need to keep them for use until 14.04
[11:09] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[11:09] <airurando> 091 labs did indeed take a bundle :)
[11:10] <ebel> cool, sure
[11:10] <czajkowski> I'm getting 120 12.04 shipped to me from canonical as talking to 120 school girls in 2 weeks time
[11:10] <czajkowski> abotu ubuntu open source and canonical
[11:10] <airurando> nice czajkowski
[11:11] <czajkowski> 3 classes of transition year students
[11:12] <airurando> is that in UK of here?
[11:12] <airurando> if here where abouts?
[11:13] <czajkowski> limerick
[11:13] <czajkowski> my old secondary school Laurell Hill
[11:13] <airurando> ha i know it well
[11:13] <airurando> went to clements myself
[11:13] <czajkowski> LOL
[11:13] <czajkowski> really
[11:14] <airurando> yip for two years
[11:14] <airurando> leaving cert cycle
[11:15] <airurando> after moving to limerick from north tipp
[11:15] <czajkowski> small world
[11:15] <airurando> verry
[11:16] <czajkowski> so yeah I rang them just yesterday asking would they be interested
[11:16] <czajkowski> and they jumped at the chance so oc 24th for 4 hours I'll be back in my old haunt
[11:16] <airurando> brilliant
[11:16] <airurando> great idea
[11:45] <tdr112> ha
[11:45] <tdr112> thats sounds fun
[11:47] <airurando> howdy tdr112
[11:53] <tdr112> airurando: all pasted will do a post today
[11:54] <airurando> tdr112 great stuff
[11:54] <airurando> where will the post be?
[11:54] <airurando> mailing list?
[11:55] <airurando> I've social media it to death after that!
[11:56] <tdr112> i will do a post on tog , then loco dir and cost link the two , then tog mail list, ubuntu mail list and then all the tweets, bookfaces you want
[11:56] <tdr112> *cross
[12:07] <airurando> ebel: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2012-October/035195.html
[12:07] <airurando> There is efficiency for you!
[12:07] <airurando> :)
[12:08] <ebel> heh :)
[12:08] <airurando> lol
[17:31] <bootljhfdsds> http://goo.gl/yFOzQ
[18:54] <mokmeister> evening all
[18:55] <mokmeister> czajkowski: would you believe I read your post about the open source meet up about an hour after the meetup occurred last night?
[18:56] <mokmeister> Oh well, I'll have to keep an eye open for the next one
[18:56] <mokmeister> And maybe read my email more frequently... ;)
[19:19] <airurando> hard luck mokmeister.  better luck next time.
[19:20] <mokmeister> indeed!
[19:22] <mokmeister> so was that niche protein stuff of any [professional] interest airurando?
[19:23] <airurando> I had a look at the website but it didn't give much away.
[19:24] <airurando> looked more R&D in a toll manufacturing kinda way
[21:04] <airurando> hi AndrewMcC
[21:05] <AndrewMcC> Evening!
[21:06] <airurando> haven't seen you in here before
[21:06] <airurando> great meeting you finally at the weekend
[21:07] <AndrewMcC> I'm not on IRC too often. Good to meet you too.
[21:10] <czajkowski> ello
[21:10] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[21:11] <airurando> did you meet AndrewMcC at skycon?
[21:12] <czajkowski> unsure i met lots of folks and bad with names
[21:13] <AndrewMcC> No, didn't meet. I recognised you from your photo. I, however, don't really look like a cat (apart from the grey hair)
[21:13] <airurando> I knew he lived in Athy, found out we live in the same estate at skycon
[21:16] <airurando> second case of small world for me today.
[21:16] <czajkowski> lol
[21:16] <czajkowski> too small
[21:17] <airurando> :)
[21:18] <airurando> AndrewMcC: czajkowski went to a secondary school beside my one in Limerick.  Different decade of course
[21:20] <AndrewMcC> Which one's that?
[21:20] <airurando> St Clements for me.
[21:21] <czajkowski> Laurell Hill for me
[21:22] <airurando> I left in 1988
[21:22] <AndrewMcC> Ah, my wife went to Scoil Carmel. Very small world.
[21:24] <airurando> at this rate in will be microscopic by the weekend!
[21:25] <czajkowski> wow around the corner from my schol and where I lived on the south cicrular road
[21:28] <airurando> I cycled up the south circular to school every day!
[21:28] <czajkowski> airurando: hah
[21:28] <zmoylan> they had bicycles back then? :-)
[21:29] <airurando> five speed racer no less
[21:29] <zmoylan> neat
[21:29] <zmoylan> with drop down handlebars of course?
[21:29] <AndrewMcC> Must be why they put in the speed ramps so ;)
[21:30] <czajkowski> gah they were a pain!
[21:30] <airurando> naturally zmoylan and AndrewMcC
[21:32] <airurando> I'm off people.  Good chatting to you all.
[21:32] <airurando> nn
[21:33] <czajkowski> nn


[00:11] <billybigrigger> php
[00:13] <billybigrigger> firefox is asking me to save a phtml file
[00:13] <billybigrigger> while trying to read index.php
[00:13] <billybigrigger> i have the addhandler line for php in my apache2.conf
[00:14] <billybigrigger> dunno why its asking to save a phtml, i've never seen that before
[01:00] <orudie> how can I check the processor info ?
[01:28] <SynchronousFuRom> Is anyone familiar with vsftpd? I'm currently having an issue with every file I upload having no permissions. I want everything uploaded to my folder to be, by default, set to permissions of 777.
[01:29] <zul> mathiaz: ping
[01:29] <mathiaz> zul: hellow fellow canadiow!
[01:30] <zul> mathiaz: bonjour!
[01:30] <zul> mathiaz: i already got the python dependencies for landscape and ubuntuone and launchpad in the canonical-application-support spec
[01:32] <mathiaz> zul: oh ok.
[01:32] <mathiaz> zul: I though the blueprint had been folded into the seed discussion
[01:32] <mathiaz> zul: I was wrong. I'll update the seed blueprint then
[01:32] <zul> mathiaz: i dont think so
[01:33] <zul> mathiaz: okies cool...besides I dont think you dont want to spend time writing 21 MIR and MIR for associated dependencies right? ;)
[01:33] <mathiaz> zul: python-celementtree was considered to not be needed anymore
[01:33] <zul> noted i think ctype is apart of python2.6 as well
[01:34] <mathiaz> zul: python-svn - there was an action noted to talk to the LP team (IIUC) to check whether python-subversion would be ok
[01:34] <mathiaz> zul: smartpm-core is already in main
[01:34] <ajmitch> mwhudson would know about python-svn, he's been dealing with bzr-svn
[01:35] <mathiaz> zul: and for asterisk I'd sync up with Daviey and the other devs involved in Asterisk
[01:36] <mathiaz> zul: and I'm not sure about the outcome of drupal 6
[01:42] <zul> mathiaz: gotcha
[01:44] <zul> mathiaz:i think drupalv6 was ok wwwconfig-common had to be stripped out though, whats everyone beef with wcconfig-common anyways?
[01:44] <mathiaz> zul: you should ask the security team about wwwconfig-common
[01:45] <mathiaz> zul: I don't think they're happy with having that package in main
[01:45] <zul> mathiaz: i asked kees he wasnt sure why
 zul: I wish I knew.  it seems like a good thing to me.
[01:46] <ajmitch> wwwconfig-common was meant to be deprecated about 4 years ago, iirc
[01:47] <zul> with what?
[01:47] <ajmitch> dbconfig-common, various other bits & pieces I think
[01:47] <zul> bah
[01:47] <ajmitch> it's not very helpful I know
[01:49] <zul> i wonder how it fail if that dependency would be removed
[01:49] <ajmitch> eg http://lists.debian.org/debian-webapps/2005/06/msg00015.html from 2005 mentions it as deprecated - there's not really a decent set of tools for packaging web apps
[01:49] <ajmitch> wwwconfig-common usually handles the database setup & some apache mangling
[01:53] <ajmitch> I see what you mean... drupal6 depends on both dbconfig-common & wwwconfig-common
[01:56] <ajmitch> looks like the only bit used is a restart script, too
[03:21] <billybigrigger> hey all
[03:21] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ca/1686380
[03:22] <billybigrigger> anyone seen that before ^^^^
[03:22] <billybigrigger> perl is complaining about locale settings
[03:22] <twb> billybigrigger: it's because your remote server hasn't got the appropriate locale(s) installed.
[03:22] <twb> And because OpenSSH transmits local information by default.
[03:23] <twb> Either unset LANG and LC_* when you log in, configure ssh not to send them, sshd not to accept them, or simply install the locales you need on your servers.
[03:23] <billybigrigger> i see that now
[03:23] <twb> I think it's something like language-pack-en
[03:23] <twb> Personally I preferred the old way of compiling only what you need at install time
[03:23] <billybigrigger> language-pack-en language-pack-en-base
[03:23] <twb> Yeah
[03:24] <billybigrigger> its junk though as i only need en_CA\
[03:24] <orudie> i'm trying to change the way my bash prompt looks by editting .bashrc in /home/username/.bashrc by adding line that looks something like this export PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m" and nothing changes :(
[03:24] <billybigrigger> twb, anyway to remove all of the locales i don't need?
[03:24] <twb> billybigrigger: you mean the en_* locales you don't need?
[03:24] <billybigrigger> without remove the whole language-pack pkg?
[03:24] <twb> AFAIK, no
[03:25] <billybigrigger> dang
[03:25] <billybigrigger> :) ah well
[03:25] <billybigrigger> thanks
[03:25] <twb> If you find out, let me know
[03:25] <twb> I mean, short of installing localepurge or something...
[03:25] <twb> Or writing dpkg 3.0 to understand i18n better
[03:26] <billybigrigger> orudie, those changes *should* be immediate
[03:26] <billybigrigger> orudie, maybe you have some invalid characters or something?
[03:28] <billybigrigger> orudie, are you trying to do colors or something?
[03:28] <billybigrigger> \e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m
[03:28] <billybigrigger> \e is fine...but right after.... [0
[03:28] <billybigrigger> ???
[03:28] <billybigrigger> should be \[0
[03:41] <thenetduck> do you know where I can find a good tutorial on how to install ssl ?
[03:41] <thenetduck>  no a hardy lts server?
[03:44] <billybigrigger> check the server guide
[03:44] <billybigrigger> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/index.html
[03:57] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #401782 in qemu-kvm (main) "please build a static version of qemu-arm 0.11.x in a separate binary deb" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401782
[04:27] <uzer> hello all, I am looking for a program to check pop mail and send an email based on who sends a mail
[04:42] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of some decent cheap vps hosts either in canada or us?
[05:06] <twb> Why the hell would you need a statically-compiled qemu-arm?
[05:07] <twb> Hmph, "2) build a static version of qemu-arm so the binary can be copied into an arm chroot"
[05:07] <twb> ITYM debootstrap --include qemu or similar.
[05:50] <orudie> hi, how do i enable rewriteEngine other then specifying RewriteEngine on in /sites-available/mysite.net ?
[06:18] <billybigrigger> anyone know why i might not be able to telnet into port 25 to test postfix and smtp-auth?
[06:30] <twb> billybigrigger: firewall, or postfix isn't binding on that interface/port
[06:30] <twb> billybigrigger: you ought to use netcat instead of telnet, too
[06:31] <twb> Otherwise people will think you're old
[06:32] <billybigrigger> 250-AUTH DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5
[06:32] <billybigrigger> tls isn't starting
[06:32] <billybigrigger> i don't see STARTTLS anywhere
[06:32] <billybigrigger> smtpd_use_tls = yes in /etc/postfix/main.cf
[06:32] <billybigrigger> twb, any ideas?
[06:32] <twb> Um, if you're getting a 250 then surely it IS listening
[06:33] <twb> And neither telnet nor netcat will STARTTLS, so of course you won't get past that point.
[06:33] <billybigrigger> yeah, telnet/netcat on localhost 25 work
[06:33] <billybigrigger> so i have to test from outside my server
[06:34] <billybigrigger> Nov 24 23:33:30 server dovecot: Fatal: imap-login: Can't load private key file /etc/ssl/private/cakey.pem: error:0906A068:PEM routines:PEM_do_header:bad password read
[06:34] <twb> billybigrigger: just specify the external interface when you netcat.
[06:34] <billybigrigger> don't see why it can't auth with that key
[06:34] <billybigrigger> postfix uses the same key no problems
[06:34] <twb> Dunno about ssl keys.
[06:35] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@timmy:/etc/postfix$ netcat <IP_ADDRESS> 25
[06:35] <billybigrigger> (UNKNOWN) [<IP_ADDRESS>] 25 (smtp) : Connection refused
[06:35] <twb> billybigrigger: so either your firewall is blocking it, or postfix isn't binding to that interface.
[06:35] <billybigrigger> don't have a firewall setup
[06:35] <twb> As ss(1) what postfix is binding to
[06:36] <billybigrigger> that i know of
[06:36] <billybigrigger> this is a 9.04 server image on a vps
[06:36] <twb> *Ask ss(1) what postfix is binding to
[06:36] <billybigrigger> it already had apache installed with all the latest jaunty updates...who knows what they did to it :)
[06:37] <jmarsden> billybigrigger:   sudo netstat -ntlp4 | grep :25      # on the server, outputs what?  (find out what it is listening on)
[06:37] <billybigrigger> what is ss(1)?
[06:37] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: man 1 ss   to find out :)
[06:38] <twb> ss is basically the new netstat
[06:38] <billybigrigger> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      32678/sendmail: MTA
[06:38] <billybigrigger> ahh, i was using netstat as user, no wonder it wasn't showing me much
[06:38] <billybigrigger> i need to practice up with netstat/netcat
[06:38] <twb> btw, why does ss always use so much horizontal whitespace?  I have to pipe it into cat to get something readable
[06:39] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: OK... see that <IP_ADDRESS> in there... that means it is binding only to localhost... not what you want.
[06:39] <billybigrigger> mynetworks = <IP_ADDRESS>/8 [::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>]/104 [::1]/128
[06:39] <billybigrigger> jmarsden,  :) thanks
[06:39] <twb> 104?
[06:40] <twb> IPv6 is wacky
[06:40] <billybigrigger> should i just listen on ip4?
[06:40] <twb> billybigrigger: do you use IPv6?
[06:40] <billybigrigger> not at all
[06:40] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: I'd look for the inet_interfaces line in /etc/postfix/main.cf ...
[06:40] <billybigrigger> inet_interfaces = all
[06:40] <billybigrigger> inet_protocols = all
[06:42] <billybigrigger> ok, just ran dpkg-reconfigure postfix and changed from all to ipv4
[06:42] <billybigrigger> still has the weird ipv6 address in mynetworks though
[06:42] <billybigrigger> anywho
[06:43] <billybigrigger> what does the /8 and /104 mean? obviously i need to add my servers ip address in there...
[06:43] <billybigrigger>  /8 is the class right?
[06:44] <jmarsden> CIDR notation for a chunk of IPv4 address space.  You can just put your Ip address on the line without a /nn
[06:44] <jmarsden> Or you can do <IP_ADDRESS>/32 (same end result -- just one IP address)
[06:45] <twb> 127/8 is the IPv4 loopback address range.  It's a full class A address.
[06:45] <twb> *address range
[06:46]  * twb grumbles about code that treats <IP_ADDRESS> differently from the rest of 127/8
[06:46] <billybigrigger> hmm
[06:46] <billybigrigger> added my ip/32, restarted postfix, ran netstat again and still only listening on <IP_ADDRESS>:25
[06:47] <twb> billybigrigger: try #postfix?
[06:47] <billybigrigger> dead
[06:48] <twb> Patience, grasshopper.
[06:49] <billybigrigger> i asked there first...nothing but a bunch of /joins
[06:49] <billybigrigger> :)
[06:50] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Check in /etc/postfix/master for anything that might be directing daemons to only listen on localhost ?
[06:51] <twb> Possibly also dpkg-reconfigure postfix (after making a backup)
[06:52] <twb> And postconf | grep
[06:53] <jmarsden> postconf -n is probably enough (just look at what you have changed, not at everything)
[06:53] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: If you want, pastebin the output of postconf -n somewhere and I'll take a quick look.
[06:54] <billybigrigger> doh
[06:54] <billybigrigger> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25            <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      32678/sendmail: MTA
[06:54] <billybigrigger> 32678/sendmail: MTA
[06:54] <billybigrigger> this vps is gay, has a bunch of stuff already preconfigured
[06:54] <billybigrigger> not a clean fresh server install
[06:54] <twb> billybigrigger: get rid of it, then
[06:54] <billybigrigger> root     32678  0.0  0.1  66932  2344 ?        Ss   18:23   0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting connections
[06:55] <twb> Incidentally, does that PID strike anyone as awfully covenient?
[06:55] <twb> Oops, 2**15 is 32768, not 32678
[06:55] <jmarsden> twb: 32767 would be... 678??
[06:56] <billybigrigger> im lost now
[06:56] <kaushal> hi
[06:56] <kaushal> I get console-kit-daemon[3863]: WARNING: Error waiting for native console 13 activation: Invalid argument in the syslog. Any clue what could be causing this issue ?
[06:57] <billybigrigger> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      7296/master
[06:57] <jmarsden> kaushal: Invalid lines in /etc/syslog.conf, especially one that tries to send syslog output to tty13 ?
[06:58] <billybigrigger> 250-STARTTLS
[06:58] <billybigrigger> but i don't see...
[06:58] <kaushal> I am running ok
[06:58] <billybigrigger> 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
[06:58] <billybigrigger> 250-AUTH=LOGIN PLAIN
[06:59] <jmarsden> billybigrigger: Did you get postfix listening on all interfaces?
[06:59] <twb> jmarsden: clearly he did
[06:59] <twb> 17:57 <billybigrigger> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN      7296/master
[06:59] <jmarsden> twb: well, that could be on localhost
[06:59] <twb> No, then it'd be <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[06:59] <twb> (Right?)
[06:59] <jmarsden> Ah... OK.  Yes, by that I meant the 250 stuff.
[07:00] <kaushal> jmarsden: i dont see anything in syslog-ng.conf
 my working postfix have ...     tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:25              <IP_ADDRESS>:*               LISTEN     5192/master         keepalive (0.00/0/0)
[07:00] <billybigrigger> from #postfix
[07:02] <twb> kaushal: where's /dev/console pointing?
[07:02] <twb> Oops, it's not a symlink
[07:03] <twb> Hm, "invalid argument in the syslog." doesn't mean that console-kit-daemon is reading rsyslog.conf -- after all, that would be crazy
[07:05] <jmarsden> kaushal: Others seem to have seen that kind of error in Ubuntu before, but no clear answers on the forums.  Bug 244218 might be related?
[07:05] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 244218 in consolekit "console-kit-daemon segfautls and error "Error waiting for native console" (dup-of: 269651)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/244218
[07:05] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 269651 in consolekit "console-kit-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269651
[07:12] <ninnypants> I'm trying to use wordpress' wp_mail function to send mail but every time my code(http://pastebin.org/56962) runs the from value of the email is my mail server's domain, but it's sent from the correct email address. I have a proper mx records setup for the domain I'm sending from, and I talked with someone on here last night, and they said the From header in my code(http://pastebin.org/56962) was correct. Any id
[07:21] <billybigrigger> loves how quickly it dies here :)
[07:23] <ninnypants> yeah it makes things hard some times
[07:24] <jmarsden> ninnypants: Are you (or your code) confusing the envelope address and the From: header ?  The "From " header in unix mailbox format is not the same as the From: header line...
[07:24] <ninnypants> probably this is my first server setup
[07:25] <ninnypants> I just know that that is the way that you set up the headers for php's mail function
[07:25] <jmarsden> I'm not familiar with wp_mail at all, but I've been running mail servers a long time (~15 years on Linux).  If you send the mail using PHP's mail function rather than wp_mail, are the results different at all?
[07:26] <ninnypants> let my try
[07:29] <ninnypants> strangely yes not sure why because wp_mail uses php mail function but now I feel somewhat stupid for staring at it for a day and not checking that
[07:30] <jmarsden> ninnypants: So now you need to recheck the docs for wp_mail to see what it is expecting that you are not doing, basically :)
[07:31] <ninnypants> the code was coppied straight from the wp docs because the code I was using wasn't cutting it and nothing changed
[07:31] <ninnypants> if you check out the example at the bottom of the page you'll see what I mean http://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/wp_mail
[07:32] <jmarsden> Assuming wordpress is open source, you could read the wp_mail code, to really see what it does differently.  Maybe there is some config value somewhere that is looks at which you have not set?
[07:33] <majuk> Hey guys, I'm looking for a way to instantiate a login.bat script on a per-group basis at login for Windows users (the groupings are on the server, not AD OUs). I found a doc that had some way to do this, but my google-fu is failing me. Anyone have an idea how to implement this?
[07:34] <majuk> Oh, I'm using a Samba PDC. FYI
[07:37] <jmarsden> majuk: I've never tried it, but would doing something like logon_script = scripts\%G.bat and having one foo.bat for each primary group name work for you?
[07:37] <majuk> jmarsden! Hmmm... it very well might.
[07:37] <ninnypants> jmarsden: it's using the PHPMailer class so not sure what's going on really never used PHPMailer before
[07:38] <jmarsden> ninnypants: Well, can you get the desired resuly by just using the mail function instead?  if so... ignore wp_mail, problem solved :)
[07:38] <majuk> The doc I read did something to the effect of reading the group the user was in and then copying a GROUP.bat in USER.bat so then for the [netlogon] portion of samba, you only needed /PATH/TO/LOGINSCRIPTS/%U.bat
[07:38] <majuk> jmarsden! ^^
[07:39] <majuk> But %G might work as well. I wonder how it would react if the user were in multiple groups though
[07:39] <majuk> One way to find out! >
[07:39] <majuk> >
[07:39] <majuk> :D
[07:39] <jmarsden> majuk: Sounds reasonable.  I've done the %U.bat thing (a long time ago), but never had to deal with that per-group... %G is the users primary group.
[07:40] <majuk> jmarsden! Ah, right. I forget there is a primary. I'm a relatively new admin.
[07:40] <jmarsden> majuk: man smb.conf has all the info on those %X substitutions... I did man smb.conf before writing my first response to you :)
[07:41] <majuk> jmarsden! There's a man for the .conf file? Doesn't that beat all. Thanks man, I'll take a look at that.
[07:42] <twb> majuk: man -k is your friend
[07:42] <majuk> twb! ZOMG, 4 years of using Linux, never seen that before.
[07:43] <majuk> Awesome. Thanks guys.
[07:44] <jmarsden> No problem.  BTW... 4 years and you didn't ever do   man man    and read what was in there? :)
[07:44] <majuk> LOL, no, no I hadn't.
[07:44] <twb> majuk: then RUTE is your friend
[07:45] <majuk> But now I will!
[07:46] <majuk> twb! Nice, thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to peruse this sometime.
[07:47] <majuk> I love IRC. :
[07:47] <twb> majuk: you evidently aren't too bad, since you found it without asking for the URL
[07:47] <majuk> twb! Well I know how to use Google. :)
[07:48] <twb> Usually the conversation goes "RUTE." "RUTE?" "!RUTE"
[07:48] <twb> FSVO RUTE
[07:49] <majuk> Hahahaha, yea, I started in Gentoo, I'm used to doing some research before I ask questions, googling a term I haven't seen before is pretty par for IRC for me at this point.
[07:51] <majuk> But anyway, thanks for the info. You guys, as always, are awesome.
[08:58] <maxagaz> how to know which one of eth0 and eth1 the ppp0 interface is using ?
[09:03] <yoshx> hello
[09:12] <Ng> maxagaz: why would ppp0 be using an eth interface? are you doing some kind of tunnelling?
[09:14] <maxagaz> Ng, i' just trying to know what hardware is ppp0 using
[09:21] <Ng> maxagaz: I'm not aware of that question being easily answered without knowing more about the setup. ppp0 is either talking to local modem hardware or is being tunnelled over a network device, but afaik you can't tell from the ppp0 interface itself where the other end is, you'd need to inspect the pppd process that created it
[09:31] <majuk> If anyone is looking for policy setting examples that don't revolve around Window's silly GUIs, I just found a gold mine.
[09:31] <majuk> http://www.pcc-services.com/custom_poledit.html
[11:01] <Vartan> hello
[11:01] <Vartan> so i can actually add my server to the amazon cloud? so when i add a site it will be using the amazon servers also?
[11:20] <soren> Vartan: It's not quite that simple.
[13:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #488190 in unixodbc (main) "unixodbc doesn't cooperate well with freedts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488190
[13:22] <ahasenack> erichammond: are you around?
[13:44] <acemo> how do i mount the raid filesystem from a live cd?
[13:53] <chuck_> morning
[13:58] <Daviey> afternoon chuck_
[14:00] <Zeboss> hello
[14:09] <tdn> How do I use a pgsql database for authentication instead of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow?
[15:47] <ivoks> anyone using NFS here?
[15:48] <zul> yep
[15:48] <zul> but not as complicated as you probably want it ivoks
[15:48] <ivoks> well, my setup is basic
[15:48] <ivoks> one nfs share, mounted on different ubuntu clients
[15:49] <ivoks> users are in LDAP, so uids and gids are ok
[15:49] <zul> pormap running?
[15:49] <zul> portmap even
[15:49] <ivoks> now, everything is working
[15:49] <ivoks> it's just this problem that's been there always :)
[15:49] <ivoks> when userA creates file, it creats it with it's umask
[15:50] <ivoks> then userB can't change it
[15:50] <yoshx> hello
[15:50] <ivoks> now, i could change their umasks, but i do not want that, cause i'd like them to store files with 0660 permissions only on nfs share
[15:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #488257 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.4.0-3ubuntu5.1 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488257
[15:51] <ivoks> that's doable with samba, but nfs doesn't have something like that
[15:51] <ivoks> :/
[15:51] <zul> which version are you using?
[15:52] <ivoks> v3
[15:52] <ivoks> but i think it applies for v4 too
[15:52] <ivoks> i could use ACLs, of course...
[15:53] <ivoks> or, forget about NFS
[15:53] <ivoks> how do i set up a direcotry, on unix, which will force permissions on files created in it?
[15:53] <ivoks> for example, each file created there should be 0660
[15:53] <ivoks> i do know how to do that with ACL
[15:54] <ivoks> man, we should have ACLs by default in ubuntu
[15:54] <ivoks> in any linux distro.
[15:54] <ivoks> unix permissions are just to simple
[15:56] <zul> I would use acl
[15:57] <ivoks> there's no other way
[15:57] <ivoks> and we moved acl to universe
[15:57] <ivoks> bah, we suck
[16:01] <ahasenack> why was acl moved to universe?
[16:02] <ahasenack> I thought samba was very close to requiring it, i.e., many of its features don't work without acl support
[16:03] <ivoks> i'll fight for its comback to main
[16:05] <Nexen|Zeboss> i'm tryin' to build a UEC, and i was wondering if anyone know the minimum CPU specs for CLC and CC ?
[16:20] <RiSkOo> alguien habla español?
[16:20] <RiSkOo> :)
[16:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #488285 in multipath-tools (main) "multipathd segfault" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488285
[16:56] <majuk> Hey guys, I have a functioning Samba PDC, but when ever a Windows user logs in, I get this message flood my /var/log/daemon.log. Any idea why? Googling failed me. http://dpaste.com/125035/
[16:57] <majuk> Again, everything works, so this error doesn't seem to be affecting my user in any way, I would just prefer my logs weren't stuffed with this message.
[17:37] <ruben23> hi
[17:43] <majuk> ruben23! Hola. Que paso amigo con queso?
[17:44] <ruben23> majuk:hi sorry cant understand
[17:44] <majuk> ruben23! That means "Hello, my friend with cheese"
[17:45] <majuk> Or, what's up, rather
[17:45] <ruben23>  majuk:very nice....
[17:45] <ruben23>  majuk: are you a network admin..?
[17:45] <Adam75> CPU INTEL P4 2.6GHz, 80 Gb HD, 512mb ram.. will this do for a server?
[17:45] <majuk> ruben23! EEEEEERRRRRRRGGGGGG, wrong, ask your questions and someone will help if they can.
[17:46] <majuk> That was my 'wrong answer' buzzer, needs work.
[17:46] <majuk> Adam75! Depends on what you're serving, chacho.
[17:47] <Adam75> majuk; I don't know yet. I'm thinking webserver or smth
[17:48] <majuk> Adam75! Short answer: it should be fine. It's probably way over kill, in fact.
[17:49] <\sh> majuk, depending on the load of the webserver...
[17:49] <majuk> \sh! Precisely. Hence why that was the short answer.
[17:50] <majuk> \sh! But if he doesn't even know what he's serving, that means he's not serving much of anything usually.
[17:50] <majuk> So :P
[17:55] <\sh> oh well.../me hasn't the "i need a server for home" users in mind ;)
[17:56] <majuk> \sh! Indeed.
[18:05] <zroysch> is there anyone around who is knowledgable in networking on ubuntu server
[18:06] <zroysch> its getting very annoying to deal with this random disconnection that occurs when im connected to the server from the internet.
[18:08] <bogeyd6> yes i am zroysch
[18:08] <zroysch> hi
[18:08] <bogeyd6> !ask
[18:08] <bogeyd6> !pastebin
[18:08] <bogeyd6> :))
[18:08] <zroysch> ok, i'll try to describe my circumstance
[18:08] <zroysch> currently i'm at panera bread
[18:08] <zroysch> ssh'd to ubuntu server (on home lan)
[18:08] <zroysch> also connected to the mpd server
[18:08] <zroysch> listening to icecast stream
[18:09] <zroysch> it'll disconnect at random.
[18:09] <bogeyd6> the ssh or the icecast?
[18:09] <zroysch> i ssh to the centos server, also on the home lan. it remains connected indefinitely
[18:09] <zroysch> this behavior was repeated on university's network
[18:09] <zroysch> and another restaurant
[18:10] <zroysch> everything disconnects at the same time
[18:10] <zroysch> for a minute or so
[18:10] <zroysch> on the ubuntu problem server
[18:10] <bogeyd6> ok
[18:10] <bogeyd6> well there are lots of fault points to trouble shoot in the area.
[18:10] <zroysch> when i'm at home on the lan (my laptop), it stays connected to the ubuntu server the whole time
[18:11] <bogeyd6> what does /var/log/syslog tell you
[18:12] <zroysch> i dont see anything there regarding an ssh connection or any of the other connections i know are failing
[18:13] <\sh> zroysch, check on your centos box /etc/ssh/sshd_config for TCPKeepAlive setting...if it's enabled, there you go on your ubuntu box...but man sshd_config tells you TCPKeepAlive is spoofable..you need to look at the ClientAliveCountMax
[18:13] <bogeyd6> so chances are it is either the network card in the server (assuming that this aint a virtual server) or the router/dsl modem is losing signal
[18:13] <zroysch> its not a virtual server
[18:14] <bogeyd6> \sh that doesnt solve his icecast disconnecting
[18:14] <zroysch> i was suspect of the server nic, but wouldnt it act the same while i was at home on the lan?
[18:14] <bogeyd6> zroysch yeah, but not as touchy on a lan as it does go over internet
[18:14] <\sh> bogeyd6, if the centos box is on the same network as the ubuntu box...hmm..
[18:15] <zroysch> my home network is setup like verizon modem -> pfsense router/firewall -> ubuntu server
[18:15] <zroysch> yes centos is connected to the same router
[18:15] <bogeyd6> i dunno, i think it has to be in that internet connection
[18:15] <\sh> bogeyd6, then you would have the same disconnects on the centos box
[18:17] <\sh> bogeyd6, or it's something like dhcp doing some re-requesting of ips in a faster interval
[18:17] <\sh> if zroysch' server is getting it's ip via dhcp ;)
[18:18] <bogeyd6> usually the dhcp server will give the same lease
[18:18] <\sh> as I'm not using dhcp for my home machine, I don't have disconnects...
[18:18] <\sh> bogeyd6, usally
[18:19] <\sh> but I'm running on linksys with ddwrt...and have no problem with the ubuntu boxes (which I only use...no other linux here)
[18:19] <zroysch> \sh: all servers in question are static ip'd
[18:19] <zroysch> on the lan
[18:19] <bogeyd6> zroysch can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/syslog and
[18:20] <bogeyd6> let us know the url
[18:20] <zroysch> \sh: #TCPKeepAlive yes
[18:21] <zroysch> bogeyd6 http://pastebin.com/f5602195f
[18:22] <bogeyd6> server log is surprisngly clean
[18:22] <zroysch> it just happened again
[18:23] <zroysch> ssh: connect to host xxx.xxx.xx.xx port 22100: Connection refused
[18:23] <zroysch> now its prompting for a password again
[18:24] <bogeyd6> hah, i got an ip trying to bruteforce a username in my auth.log
[18:24] <zroysch> connected
[18:24] <zroysch> uh oh
[18:24] <zroysch> fuck him.
[18:24]  * bogeyd6 knows how to secure me some ssh
[18:24] <bogeyd6>  <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:24] <zroysch> i wish my auth.log said something important regarding the ssh disconnects
[18:25] <zroysch> chinese bastard
[18:25] <bogeyd6> you can
[18:25] <bogeyd6> set your logging level in sshd_config
[18:25] <zroysch> i did
[18:25] <zroysch> its verbose
[18:26] <bogeyd6> set to debug
[18:26] <zroysch> set
[18:27] <bogeyd6> restart ssh
[18:27] <bogeyd6> sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[18:28] <bogeyd6> disconnect and reconnect (if successful start)
[18:31] <bogeyd6> auth.log is where it is logging
[18:31] <zroysch> right
[18:32] <bogeyd6> waiting for a disconnect?
[18:32] <zroysch> always
[18:32] <bogeyd6> tail -f /var/log/auth.log
[18:33] <zroysch> i'm all anxious with anticipation this time
[18:33] <zroysch> theres gonna be a log with all the answers
[18:33] <bogeyd6> or no answer!
[18:34] <zroysch> [365176.690020] TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer xxx.xx.xx.xx:58985/49150 shrinks window<PHONE_NUMBER>:1453162878. Repaired.
[18:34] <zroysch> i get a shitload of these
[18:34] <zroysch> imean a metric shit ton
[18:36] <bogeyd6> it means its shrinking the tcp window
[18:36] <bogeyd6> mostly we just wait for the disconnect and then see the errors leading up to it
[18:37] <zroysch> Nov 25 13:31:15 userv sshd[23755]: debug1: server_input_global_request: rtype<EMAIL_ADDRESS>want_reply 1
[18:37] <zroysch> i guess this is my client's serverkeepalive doing its thing?
[18:37] <bogeyd6> yes
[18:38] <zul> bah
[18:39] <bogeyd6> zroysch maybe if you stop the tail it will disconnect faster
[18:40] <zroysch> http://pastebin.ca/1687117
[18:40] <zroysch> but i'm still connected
[18:41] <zroysch> how/why is root connected? i never login as root
[18:41] <bogeyd6> ruh roh :(
[18:42] <bogeyd6> did you su root?
[18:42] <zroysch> ubuntu doesnt even have a root i though
[18:42] <zroysch> t
[18:43] <bogeyd6> !root
[18:43] <bogeyd6> but watch this
[18:43] <bogeyd6> !noroot
[18:43] <bogeyd6> :P
[18:43] <zroysch> i never set one
[18:43] <zroysch> so i guess there isnt one.
[18:43] <zroysch> my login i normally use has root access, but the username is not root
[18:43] <\sh> sudo -i == you smell like root ;)
[18:43] <bogeyd6> when was the last time you did a "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[18:43] <zroysch> dunno
[18:44] <bogeyd6> check it out
[18:44] <bogeyd6> could be a solution to our problems
[18:46] <zroysch> http://pastebin.com/m7dc68cb2
[18:46] <zroysch> that tell me anything?
[18:46] <ivoks> yes
[18:46] <ivoks> it says everything is ok
[18:47] <zroysch> ivoks: everything is not ok.
[18:48] <zroysch> bogeyd6: i have 5 days of uptime, so 5 days ago
[18:49] <ivoks> i wasn't here from the begining, so i don't know what's your problem
[18:49] <ivoks> but this log looks ok
[18:49] <ivoks> if, of course, you do know who userveadmin is :)
[18:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #488373 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 (main) "mysql-server-5.1 does not include the InnoDB engine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/488373
[18:53] <zroysch> ivoks: yes i know him. i am him
[18:53] <ivoks> awesome, so... what's the problem?
[18:53] <zroysch> ivoks: the disconnects are happening at random, without my authorization.
[18:53] <zroysch> from several locations on the internet
[18:53] <bogeyd6> zroysch who is smmsp
[18:53] <zroysch> i dont know
[18:54] <ivoks> zroysch: disconnects?
[18:54] <zroysch> 24 packages can be updated.
[18:54] <zroysch> 10 updates are security updates.
[18:54] <zroysch> i guess i'll do it
[18:54] <bogeyd6> sendmail user
[18:54] <bogeyd6> zroysch plz do
[18:54] <ivoks> your ssh connection drops?
[18:57] <bogeyd6> zroysch has it disconnected yet
[18:57] <zroysch> bogeyd6 yes several times
[18:57] <zroysch> i posted the pastebin from the tail on the one
[18:58] <bogeyd6> the last pastebin proved nothing of a disconnect
[18:58] <zroysch> huh
[18:58] <ivoks> are you running nscd?
[18:58] <bogeyd6> just showed closed as if you closed it
[18:59] <zroysch> i didnt close it
[18:59] <ivoks> bogeyd6: which pastebin is that?
[18:59] <zroysch> http://pastebin.com/m7dc68cb2
[18:59] <zroysch> this one, i guess
[19:00] <ivoks> nope, it's this one
[19:00] <ivoks> http://pastebin.ca/1687117
[19:00] <alkisg> Is the following idea for passwordless ssh an acceptable way to control many standalone clients from a server?
[19:00] <alkisg> 1) Create ssh keys for the root user on the server: sudo ssh-keygen
[19:00] <alkisg> 2) Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the clients, and specify: AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys
[19:00] <alkisg> 3) Copy the public key of the server root user to the clients' /etc/ssh/authorized_keys
[19:00] <alkisg> This way anyone with sudo privileges on the server could do: sudo ssh user@client and automatically logon there.
[19:00] <alkisg> Any tactical problems with this approach?
[19:00] <ivoks> anyway, neither of those show closed connection
[19:01] <ivoks> zroysch: let's start from the beginning
[19:02] <ivoks> zroysch: what is the problem? you randomly get disconnected from ssh?
[19:02] <alkisg> That's to be used in a small classroom, with the teacher sitting on the server and controlling/administering the clients where the students sit.
[19:02] <bogeyd6> ivoks only when crossing on his internet connection
[19:02] <ivoks> zroysch: does it show 'disconnected' or the connection just times out
[19:02] <ivoks> do you actually get disconnected or it looks like connection 'crashed'?
[19:02] <zroysch> ivoks: when connecting from the internet (tried 3 different locations), my connections get dropped at random (ssh, mpd, icecast)
[19:03] <ivoks> describe 'dropped'
[19:03] <ivoks> do you get disconnect or it just stalls
[19:03] <zroysch> this ubuntu server is on my home lan. the same home lan that the centos server is on where my ssh remains connected
[19:03] <ivoks> for example, with ssh
[19:03] <zroysch> it disconnects, and i am given the prompt for my local machine again
[19:03] <ivoks> do you get returned to your client prompt or terminal 'freezes'
[19:03] <ivoks> ok
[19:04] <ivoks> what kind of connection do you have from your home to your ISP?
[19:04] <zroysch> its verizion fios..
[19:04] <zroysch> fiber to the house
[19:05] <zroysch> a box outside that comes inside with coax to the verizon modem
[19:05] <ivoks> i know what it is
[19:05] <zroysch> then why did you ask
[19:05] <ivoks> i asked what do you how, and i know what fios is
[19:06] <ivoks> how? :)
[19:06] <ivoks> have
[19:06] <zroysch> yea, it was a weird way to ask i guess, so i was overly descriptive, as i thought its what you wanted
[19:06] <zroysch> also, i believe not everyone gets fiber right up to their house
[19:06] <ivoks> hm...
[19:06] <zroysch> ok i just got a new kernel with the update
[19:07] <zroysch> not sure if this is going to do anything but i'll reboot and see
[19:08] <ivoks> zroysch: when it boots up, i'd like you to paste output from 'grep sshd /var/log/auth.log'
[19:08] <ivoks> from one session
[19:09] <bogeyd6> awesome zroysch
[19:09] <zroysch> im not sure what you mean by one session
[19:09] <bogeyd6> login to ssh and then repost auth.log
[19:09] <ivoks> ssh into the server and wait until it drops connection
[19:09] <zroysch> ok
[19:10] <zroysch> rebooting
[19:10] <zroysch> i gotta eat now
[19:10] <zroysch> brb
[19:10] <ivoks> heh
[19:10] <ivoks> sshd doesn't disconnects him
[19:10] <ivoks> i'm puzzeld by the fact that he gets his terminal back
[19:11] <ivoks> otherwise, i'd bet on MTU
[19:12] <bogeyd6> ivoks he claims on local lan its no issue
[19:12] <ivoks> therefor MTU or some kind of firewall on modem
[19:14] <\sh> ivoks, how does it fit with the centos box not disconnecting? ;)
[19:14] <ivoks> different mtu
[19:14] <zroysch> maximum transition unit?
[19:14] <ivoks> but on fiber, mtu of 1500 should be ok
[19:14] <\sh> hmm...nic mtu should be always 1500, or?
[19:15] <\sh> (ethernet to be more precise)
[19:15] <ivoks> not always...
[19:15] <jbernard> \sh: GigE supports jumbo frames
[19:15] <ivoks> sometimes with cisco vpn you can get problems if your mtu is 1500
[19:16] <\sh> jbernard, yes...but your home dsl / cable modem won't have GigE ;)
[19:16] <ivoks> \sh: this isn't dsl
[19:16] <ivoks> it's fiber
[19:16] <ivoks> zroysch: yes... could you try something?
[19:16] <zroysch> at your service
[19:17] <ivoks> zroysch: eth0 is the name of the interface?
[19:17] <bogeyd6> im not convinced its the server
[19:17] <zroysch> yes
[19:17] <bogeyd6> im betting it has to be in the verizon modem signal or the firewall
[19:18] <ivoks> zroysch: run 'sudo ifconfig eth0 mtu 1412'
[19:18] <ivoks> let's give it some space :)
[19:18] <bogeyd6> wat
[19:18] <bogeyd6> dont do that
[19:19] <ivoks> zroysch: on server, of course
[19:19] <zroysch> yes
[19:19] <zroysch> it was 1500
[19:20] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #248142 in backuppc (main) ""RsyncdUserName" missing from "CgiUserConfigEdit" in Meta.pm" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/248142
[19:20] <ivoks> i know
[19:20] <ivoks> now observe if behaviour changed
[19:22] <zroysch> centos server's mtu also 1500
[19:22] <ivoks> i belive it is...
[19:22] <zroysch> i'm telling you it is
[19:22] <ivoks> so, does connection drop?
[19:22] <bogeyd6> rotfl
[19:22] <zroysch> will have to give it a minute
[19:22] <ivoks> zroysch: by default, it's 1500 always
[19:23] <zroysch> oh
[19:23] <ivoks> Verizon FiOS expects an MTU setting of 1492.
[19:23] <ivoks> there we go...
[19:24] <ivoks> true, modem should do that, but it's verzion... expect unexpected :)
[19:24] <zroysch> yea like a blown up gasline
[19:24] <ivoks> ADSL also works on 1492
[19:24] <ivoks> but clients on LAN shouldn't have 1492, only the gateway
[19:25] <ivoks> i've seen couple of modems that don't clam mtu
[19:25] <zroysch> so i should set the pfsense router to 1492
[19:25] <ivoks> er... you have your own gateway?
[19:25] <NorthByNorthWest> Hi! Desperately need help! My samba share, created with webmin cant be mounted... it just says "Cannot mount Window-share"
[19:25] <zroysch> ivoks: well its a gateway for my lan
[19:26] <zroysch> its the only computer connected to the vz modem
[19:26] <ivoks> zroysch: it should have 1492 only on the modem side, on the eth side it should be 1500
[19:26] <ivoks> zroysch: the thing is that modem needs to do claming
[19:27]  * \sh loves his linksys and /me loves cable ;)
[19:27] <ivoks> zroysch: so, does connection drops?
[19:27] <zroysch> ivoks: not yet
[19:27] <ivoks> that's 7 minutes
[19:28] <ivoks> did it last that long before?
[19:28] <bogeyd6> NorthByNorthWest we dont support webmin here
[19:28] <zroysch> its seemingly random
[19:28] <ivoks> zroysch: it's not random, it depends on amount of data
[19:28] <ivoks> zroysch: so, if you just log in, it won't drop that fast; but if you do just 'ps ax' it could drop in a second
[19:29] <zroysch> ivoks: whenever i'm doing something in the terminal it seems to stay connected
[19:29] <zroysch> its only when i go back to it after doing something else i find it disconnected
[19:29] <ivoks> hm, interesting
[19:30] <\sh> tcpkeepalive not set (first shot, and it's evil) and ClientAliveCountMax + ClientAliveInterval not set (which is a better alternative for SSHD) so modem (fw) drops connection when inactive (sometimes a standard doing of FWs)
[19:31] <NorthByNorthWest> bogeyd6: Ok... screw webmin.... what if I pastebin the entry in the smb.conf?
[19:31] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: go ahead
[19:31] <\sh> webmin still alive? oh wow
[19:32] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: http://pastebin.se/199725 this is just the share... need more?
[19:32] <ivoks> right, if it disconnects on inactivity, then mtu might not help
[19:33] <NorthByNorthWest> hmm... path missing?
[19:33] <ivoks> lol
[19:33] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: lol @ me? ;)
[19:33] <ivoks> yes
[19:34] <NorthByNorthWest> hehe... sometimes the solution becomes clear when describing it to someone else...
[19:34] <ivoks> yes, that's very common
[19:34] <ivoks> zroysch: so, still working?
[19:35] <NorthByNorthWest> but Im a total samba noob... im just reading the other default shares in the file and making conclusions...
[19:35] <zroysch> ivoks: so far so good
[19:35] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: argh.... still cant mount
[19:35] <ivoks> zroysch: that's 15 minutes now
[19:35] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: did you restart samba when you added the path?
[19:35] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: yes
[19:35] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: /var/log/samba/log.smbd might help
[19:37] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: http://pastebin.se/199726 doesnt tell me much...
[19:37] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #300965 in backuppc (main) "updatedb.mlocate crashes the machine, when the backupcc-pool becomes huge" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300965
[19:37] <ivoks> zroysch: if it works out, see if you can set mtu to 1492 on your gateway, but only on the modem connection
[19:38] <zroysch> ivoks: ok
[19:38] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: do other share have spaces in name?
[19:38] <zroysch> not sure still why the centos machine would be ok with the 1500 though?
[19:38] <ivoks> shares
[19:39] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: *ahem* nooo... :-[
[19:39] <ivoks> zroysch: bad network configuration produces very strange behaviours
[19:39] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: are underscores ok?
[19:39] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: spaces are ok, iirc, but for testing remove them
[19:40] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: yep... just removed spaces to begin with!
[19:40] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: *gnarl* still not working... *chewing on my fist*
[19:40] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: other shares work, and have same configuration?
[19:41] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: should I pastebin the complete smb.conf?
[19:41] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: sure
[19:42] <zul> ivoks: want me to merge rhcs for you?
[19:42] <ivoks> you can pm it to me
[19:42] <ivoks> zul: from debian? no, i'll do it
[19:43] <zul> ivoks:okie dokie
[19:43] <ivoks> i have to add a patch 'exit 0' at the init script :)
[19:43] <ivoks> right bellow #!/bin/sh
[19:48] <ivoks> NorthByNorthWest: ?
[19:48] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: its coming... doing copy-paste from a ssh terminal...
[19:49] <ivoks> :)
[19:49] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I think there's a way to make users save files in a specific directory and keep those files with the permissions of that folder... I just don't remember how to do it :P
[19:49] <ivoks> there is. acl
[19:51] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, I think you can do that by not using acls, but just keeping permissions of file and folders. I remember I did that  so long ago :)
[19:51] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: finally... http://pastebin.se/
[19:51] <NorthByNorthWest> argh
[19:51] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: you can use setgid to keep group
[19:52] <NorthByNorthWest> hey WTF???
[19:52] <ivoks> RoAkSoAx: but that doesn't stop user of saving with permission she wants
[19:52] <NorthByNorthWest> I pressed "Send" and it just killed all my input!!!!
[19:52] <NorthByNorthWest> *ROOOAAARRRRR*
[19:52] <ivoks> hit back
[19:52] <NorthByNorthWest> *hulk is angry*   *hulk smash*
[19:53] <RoAkSoAx> ivoks, what about setting umask?
[19:54] <ivoks> of course, but that then applies for all dirs
[19:54] <ivoks> files
[19:55] <RoAkSoAx> oh ok :)
[19:58] <zroysch> Ivoks
[19:58] <zroysch> Read from remote host xxx.x.xx.xx: Connection reset by peer
[19:58] <zroysch> Connection to xxx.xxx.xxx.x closed.
[19:59] <ivoks> that's firewall cuting connection
[19:59] <zroysch> so firewall needs mtu 1492 you say
[20:00] <ivoks> on modem side
[20:01] <ivoks> maybe there are too many connections for it?
[20:03] <zroysch> what do you mean
[20:06] <NorthByNorthWest> ivoks: well... mounted my local computers shared folder from the server instead... solved my problems for now... thanks for your help anyway! :)
[20:06]  * ivoks busy
[20:35] <mathiaz> ahasenack: hi - were you able to test bind9 with the ldap dlz in karmic?
[20:35] <ahasenack> mathiaz: no, I couldn't come up with the queries it needed for the sdb schema
[20:36] <ahasenack> mathiaz: and the package needs a patch
[20:36] <ahasenack> (bind)
[20:36] <mathiaz> ahasenack: hm - isn't dlz and sdb two different things?
[20:36] <ahasenack> mathiaz: yes, and my config was for the sdb one
[20:37] <ahasenack> mathiaz: which is what the bind package in mandriva supported back then
[20:37] <ahasenack> mathiaz: dlz works with customizing queries
[20:37] <ahasenack> mathiaz: so it's possible to write a config for it to use the sdb schema
[20:37] <ahasenack> mathiaz: in theory, that is
[20:37] <mathiaz> ahasenack: ok - bind9 is built with the ldap dlz plugin
[20:38] <ahasenack> mathiaz: right, so these were my two difficulties: trying to make it work with sdb schema and the patch to make it work with current libldap
[20:38] <mathiaz> ahasenack: oh - so ldap dlz needs a patch to work
[20:38] <ahasenack> mathiaz: let me find the lp bug for it...
[20:38] <mathiaz> ahasenack: and ldap sdb needs to have the schema sorted out
[20:40] <ahasenack> mathiaz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9/+bug/227344
[20:40] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 227344 in bind9 "bind-dlz and ldap api: invalid use of "%" character" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:41] <mathiaz> ahasenack: great - thanks
[20:41] <ahasenack> mathiaz: regarding the sdb schema, it was just an attempt from me to not have to change the schema from sdb to dlz, so I thought I would give it a try and see if I could make the dlz config read the sdb schema
[20:42] <ahasenack> mathiaz: but I got a headache while trying to understand how dlz does its thing :)
[20:42] <mathiaz> ahasenack: right.
[20:42] <ahasenack> mathiaz: specially when I saw that it relies on ordering of results or something like that
[20:42] <mathiaz> ahasenack: IIUC the different between sdb and dlz is that dlz can do local caching while sdb does not?
[20:43] <ahasenack> mathiaz: maybe, I vaguely remember something about that
[20:43] <ahasenack> mathiaz: and dlz is supposedly included upstream,
[20:43] <ahasenack> mathiaz: but in a contrib/ directory still
[20:43] <mathiaz> ahasenack: right - sdb is also in the package
[20:43] <mathiaz> ahasenack: I think I'll go with sdb+local slapd replica
[20:44] <ahasenack> mathiaz: what do you mean sdb is in the package? We have a bind package patched with sdb?
[20:44] <ahasenack> I mean, sdb+ldap
[20:44] <mathiaz> ahasenack: hm - I think so: contrib/sdb/ldap
[20:45] <ahasenack> interesting, maybe it just needs to be enabled at build time or something?
[20:46] <mathiaz> ahasenack: yeah - may be.
[20:52] <ahasenack> erichammond: fyi, I was trying to rebundle your dapper amis today
[20:52] <ahasenack> erichammond: got bitten by the tar bug regarding sparse files
[20:52] <ahasenack> erichammond: dapper has tar 1.15.1, which is the exact borderline version for this bug
[20:53] <ahasenack> erichammond: I then downloaded latest tar from upstream, built it on a dapper machine and copied the resulting binary over to the running instance, adjusted PATH, and only then did the rebundling work
[20:59] <Flare183> I've got a load of log files in my /var/log directory, would it been safe to delete the oldest compressed .gz file?
[21:01] <davidnetherlands> hi ubuntu server community, i got a question
[21:02] <Flare183> !ask | davidnetherlands
[21:02] <davidnetherlands> what are the recommended minimum hardware specs for a ubuntu 9.10 server (in terms of mhz or ghz, i know about RAM)
[21:02] <ScottK> Flare183: As long as you don't need them.
[21:03] <Flare183> ScottK: Alright, just checking
[21:04] <davidnetherlands> and my second question.. where can i find some info on installing a ubuntu server on a computer with 2 hard disks.. say i want one small hd for the system and one big hd for the content (/var/www)
[21:06] <Italian_Plumber> i'm running 804 on a pentium III 500
[21:06] <Italian_Plumber> 512 MB Ram
[21:06] <Flare183> davidnetherlands: All you have to do for the second question, is partition it correctly
[21:06] <davidnetherlands> yeah ok italian plumber.. i'm close to that one.. p3 600mhz 512mb
[21:06] <davidnetherlands> so it should work
[21:07] <Italian_Plumber> I don't see why not.  I'd install hardy though, it's supported until 2013.
[21:07] <Italian_Plumber> unless there's some awesome feature on karmic that you just have to have.
[21:07] <Italian_Plumber> the big question is what are you oging to do with the server?
[21:07] <davidnetherlands> flare183.. but during the installation i'm getting the partition screen.. and only later on (after this screen) i get to install a lamp server
[21:07] <davidnetherlands> so how do i go about that?
[21:08] <davidnetherlands> Italian_Plumber, i'm just experimenting arround with a nas.. a lamp server, maybe some ruby on rails
[21:09] <Italian_Plumber> yeah your hardware should do just fine
[21:09] <Italian_Plumber> I also have two hard disks
[21:09] <davidnetherlands> thank you Italian_Plumber!
[21:09] <Italian_Plumber> I installed hardy on the first one, not connecting the second one.
[21:09] <davidnetherlands> ok
[21:09] <davidnetherlands> and then?
[21:09] <Italian_Plumber> afterwards, I connected the second one, mounted it in /media/data , and I was done.
[21:09] <davidnetherlands> but what do you use your 2nd hd for?
[21:09] <Italian_Plumber> extra storage
[21:10] <Flare183> davidnetherlands: all you have to do is setup the partition stuff right, and then sudo apt-get install the rest of the stuff
[21:10] <Italian_Plumber> I use it as a torrent box, nas, internal DNS, and SVN server
[21:10] <davidnetherlands> okay.. nice..
[21:11] <RoyK> how can I download a 'magnet' link from the ubuntu commandline?
[21:11] <davidnetherlands> Flare183, how exactly? that is my next question.. where can i read something about 2 hard disks in a server setup?
[21:12] <lenios_> what's a magnet link?
[21:12] <Flare183> Ok, am I the only one that uses a server with a GUI?
[21:12] <Flare183> Because I have to use my server as my desktop
[21:12] <lenios_> you can install server softwares on ubuntu desktop
[21:12] <Italian_Plumber> a server with a GUI is a desktop
[21:13] <Italian_Plumber> a Desktop without a GUI is a server
[21:13] <Flare183> Yeah that's what I'm doing
[21:13] <Flare183> so yeah
[21:13] <davidnetherlands> yeah okay.. i know about that
[21:13] <Flare183> But it seems like I"m the only one that does that
[21:13] <Italian_Plumber> I used to do that here at work.
[21:13] <Italian_Plumber> My desktop also a server
[21:13] <davidnetherlands> haha, being unique is not always a bad thing
[21:13] <Flare183> Ahh ok
[21:13] <Flare183> Sweet
[21:14] <lenios_> i often have openssh-server on my desktop, i guess i'm unique too :p
[21:14] <Flare183> lenios_: Same here
[21:14] <Italian_Plumber> sometimes the lines are blurred.
[21:14] <lenios_> kernel is not exactly the same on server edition and desktop edition
[21:15] <Italian_Plumber> we have a server here at work with a GUI on it that really doesn't need one -- but the moron (my boss) that set it up didn't know that.
[21:15] <lenios_> but it shouldn't make any noticeable difference
[21:15] <DragonLord> does a minimal installation of ubuntu server fit on 512Mb HDD?
[21:15] <Italian_Plumber> dragon: no
[21:15] <Flare183> DragonLord: Tried it, no way
[21:15] <Italian_Plumber> dragon: ... er well... that's a guess anyway.
[21:15] <davidnetherlands> thanks guys, i'm gonna try it!
[21:15] <davidnetherlands> bye
[21:16] <DragonLord> Italian_Plumber, Flare183 ok
[21:16] <Italian_Plumber> I wouldn't build any computer today without a 30-40GB hard drive.
[21:16] <Flare183> Italian_Plumber: I agree with that
[21:16] <Flare183> DragonLord: Np
[21:16] <Italian_Plumber> I don't think you can buy a HD smaller than 80GB anymore.
[21:16] <lenios_> requirements for server editions are 128mB of ram and 1GB of hdd
[21:16] <DragonLord> I got a thin client I want to use like a Mumble server and it has 512Mb "HDD" in it :)
[21:17] <Italian_Plumber> yeah now that lenois says that, I am reminded that you need at least 128MB to run MySQL.
[21:17] <Flare183> haha I've got an old HP vetrca in here right next to me that I wish I could use as a server
[21:17] <Flare183> vectra*
[21:17] <Flare183> Its like dead ancient
[21:18] <lenios_> i have server edition on a 4G eeepc
[21:21] <erichammond> ahasenack: So you're saying that you have to use a non-dapper tar to bundle a dapper instance on EC2.
[21:21] <lenios_> usage is 23.1% of 3.19GB, for those wondering
[21:21] <erichammond> hm, gone.
[21:24] <Italian_Plumber> lenois: that's a base install of karmic server?
[21:25] <lenios_> with ssh server
[21:26] <Italian_Plumber> oh... well ssh server .. .that's, what, 1MB?
[21:27] <lenios_> well, remove 1MB from 710MB then
[21:44] <Italian_Plumber> yeah I tried running a LAMP server with 64MB of RAM... didn't happen.
[21:44] <Italian_Plumber> it was a VM
[21:44] <Flare183> Italian_Plumber: I've done it with lower Memory
[21:44] <Flare183> 32MB'
[21:45] <Italian_Plumber> really?  see I figured it wasn't happening 'cause MySQL says it needs 128MB
[21:45] <Flare183> I've got an old dell, that I put Arch Linux onto it and I had to put A LOT of swap on it.
[21:45] <Flare183> Like I had to start using flash drives for swap haha
[21:45] <Italian_Plumber> oh.  I'm talking hardy
[21:45] <Flare183> Ahh ok
[21:45] <Italian_Plumber> with conventional RAM
[21:46] <Flare183> ahh ok
[21:47] <Italian_Plumber> yeah my regular setup is with 576 MB of RAM... it's an old PC that someone said was "too slow"... but it runs hardy just fine.
[21:47] <Italian_Plumber> I just got the thing and installed hardy right over it.
[21:48] <Italian_Plumber> ... and boom! instant server.
[21:48] <Italian_Plumber> just add water
[21:48] <Italian_Plumber> and watch it grow
[21:48] <Flare183> xD
[21:51] <Italian_Plumber> now all I need are some big IDE drives
[21:51] <Italian_Plumber> 'cause it has no SATA controller in it
[21:51] <Italian_Plumber> or a PCI SATA controller
[21:51] <Italian_Plumber> cheap, I know.
[21:51] <Italian_Plumber> MAN it's quiet at the office today
 I wouldn't build any computer today without a 30-40GB hard drive.
[22:25] <qman__> my file server uses a 4GB drive for the system
[22:25] <qman__> and a separate raid for storage
[22:27] <lenios_> if it's only for the system, it might be better to waste 3-4GB to have a system up and running in case of hardware failure
[23:20] <qman__> lenios_, incidentally, several my storage drives failed on the same day, and I lost the RAID, while the 4GB root drive is still going strong
[23:20] <qman__> just can't kill those old quantum fireballs
[23:21] <qman__> bought new storage drives and built a second array, never even touched the root drive
[23:25] <benedikt> ScottK: this spamassasin header thing is getting even weirder. Sometimes it doesnt show and sometimes it does. And i havent changed the config in the meantime
[23:31] <ruben23> hi anyone can suggest, how to rescue forgotten username and password on an ubuntu-server..
[23:37] <benedikt> ruben23: do you have physical access to it?
[23:38] <ruben23> yes
[23:39] <benedikt> then reboot into a live environment (if it can take the downtime), mount your / and chroot to it and run "passwd <user>"
[23:44] <\sh> ruben23, or just change your kernel boot line on grub: init=/bin/bash ... no password prompt..or boot the rescue system from ubuntu which is also on grub
[23:45] <ruben23> ok copy
[23:45] <ruben23> thanks


[12:54] <cronolio> hello, how can i understand why I was devoiced on ubuntu-ru ?
[13:00] <cronolio> maybe this is wrong place for this question?
[13:16] <hggdh> cronolio: you might have better results asking an op at #ubuntu-ru. Unless one is present here (I do not know)
[13:17] <cronolio> this was andrex and he is not here
[13:18] <hggdh> it is not common for regional channels to be here (and we usually do not monitor them)
[13:18] <cronolio> so, no helping ?


[07:20] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libnepomukcore4abi1_4%3a4.13.90-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[07:20] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libnepomukcleaner.so.4', which is also in package libnepomukcleaner4 4:4.13.2-0ubuntu0.1
[07:29] <valorie> yes, that's the troubling bit
[07:29] <valorie> I've tried different ways around it, but with no success
[07:33] <sgclark> 4.13.90? oy too many versions
[07:34] <valorie> it seems so, yes
[07:37] <sgclark> wasn't that an alpha? wouldn't it get overruled by 4.14.0?
[07:37] <sgclark> where nepomuk was removed...
[07:37] <yofel> Riddell: ^ did you really completely remove nepomuk from the archive? There seem to be leftovers
[07:45] <valorie> sgclark: what I did was upgrade
[07:45] <sgclark> my right click menu to assign kactivity/desktop seems to have gone on vacation : /
[07:45] <sgclark> valorie: from?
[07:45] <valorie> a couple of weeks ago version of utopic next
[07:45] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/poz1qs9LL
[07:48] <sgclark> err why would it want to install 4.13.95 when 4.14.0 is available... can you paste your sources.list?
[07:48] <sgclark> valorie ^
[07:49] <valorie> let me turn it back on
[07:50] <valorie> I hadn't added anything extra
[07:51] <valorie> uh, where is it again?
[07:51] <valorie> i thought etc
[07:54] <Quintasan> lelditt
[07:56] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/p853rafdw
[07:57] <valorie> sgclark: ^^^
[07:57] <sgclark> valorie: looks right, do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.d
[07:58] <valorie> I tried to cat that, and got nothing
[07:58] <valorie> so at least there is no text
[07:58] <valorie> isn't that
[07:58] <valorie> a systemd thing?
[07:58] <valorie> and so not text
[07:59] <valorie> so I guess I don't yet know how to read it, and see if there is anything in it
[08:02] <Riddell> yofel: right there's more to be cleaned up
[08:03] <sgclark> looks like where nepomuk was removed libnepomukcore4abi1 was missed and needs to also be breaks/replace. Riddell: where did you remove nepomuk?
[08:03] <valorie> nope, looks like it is text
[08:03] <valorie> so it must be empty
[08:03] <Riddell> sgclark: I only removed it as a build dep from various places
[08:04] <Riddell> apt-cache rdepends libnepomukcore4abi1  shows some plasma-active places that still need it removed
[08:04] <sgclark> Riddell: libnepomukcore4abi1 seems to be wreaking havoc out there somewhere
[08:05] <Riddell> probably needs the replaces/breaks versions bumped for backports/srus
[08:05] <valorie> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p853rafdw
[08:05] <valorie> after an upgrade attempt
[08:21] <Riddell> valorie: you're the one having problems with nepomuk file conflicts?
[08:24] <valorie> yep
[08:24] <Riddell> yeah just need the breaks version bumped, let me do that
[08:24] <valorie> I hadn't upgraded that laptop since before leaving for Randa
[08:25] <valorie> figured I better test it before leaving for Vienna
[08:25] <Riddell> sudo dpkg --install --force-overwrites /var/cache/apt/archives/libnepomukcore4abi1_4%3a4.13.90-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb  to workaround
[08:26] <valorie> ok, trying taht
[08:29] <Riddell> ah yofel did bump the breaks versions but it didn't get uploaded cos nepomuk is dead (except it's ghost lives on)
[08:29] <Riddell> I'll upload with new breaks versions and then try to kill it properly
[08:30] <yofel> ah, I probably only uploaded that to the backports
[08:41] <valorie> Riddell: dpkg: error: unknown force/refuse option `overwrites`
[08:42] <Riddell> --force-overwrite  then
[08:42] <Riddell> valorie: ↑
[08:42] <Riddell> plasma-mobile (active) and share-like-connect both require nepomuk to build, shall I remove the lot of them?
[08:42] <apachelogger> yes
[08:43] <valorie> ok
[08:44] <valorie> paste.kde.org/pdytewsko
[08:45] <Riddell> valorie: then  sudo apt -f install  again
[08:45] <valorie> ok
[08:46] <valorie> ticking along
[08:46] <valorie> yes, success
[08:47] <sgclark> yay
[08:47] <valorie> nice to do testing that finds buglets!
[09:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:26] <Riddell> hola lordievader
[09:27] <lordievader> Hey Riddell, how are you doing?
[09:31] <Riddell> I'm awesome thanks lordievader
[09:33] <lordievader> Cool :D
[09:37] <sgclark> Riddell: ok so autologin needs to be set in ./etc/sddm.conf but that does not exist only /etc/init/sddm.conf which does not appear to have user settings.
[09:38] <apachelogger> sddm.conf would have to be created
[09:39] <sgclark> I also find it odd the kcm module only supports kde4 and sddm is qt5 only now
[09:39] <apachelogger> defaults are builtin so there is no default config
[09:39] <sgclark> ahh
[09:39] <apachelogger> also I think shadeslayer was looking into this already
[09:40] <sgclark> ahh ok, on to other things then
[09:40] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[09:44]  * Riddell blogs http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=178
[09:45] <Riddell> sgclark: hang on, I don't think he has looked at that yet
[09:45] <Riddell> sgclark: do you know where the kcm module is? it also needs packaged and included and I hear rumours that netrunner has packages but I haven't investigated
[09:46] <sgclark> Riddell: I can look into the kcm bit
[09:46] <Riddell> sgclark: you're right that /etc/sddm.conf doesn't seem to exist in which case it'll need to be created
[09:46] <Riddell> should be a simple case of writing the required values to the file in that ubiquity script
[09:47] <sgclark> Riddell: right, but if shadeslayer is already working on it, I can move on to the kcm module
[09:48] <sgclark> powerdevil seems to be functioning for me again. Needs others to test though
[09:48] <Riddell> sgclark: I don't think he is
[09:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: alive?
[09:49] <sgclark> hmm, holding off till he says yay or nay
[09:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: an OPO-FM-BLK has arrived for you from the states
[09:59] <sgclark> apachelogger: is this an sddm kcm module that could be packaged? lp:~blue-shell-next/sddm-kcm/qt5
[10:00]  * apachelogger fails to see point TBH
[10:00] <apachelogger> it would end up in experimental anyway
[10:00] <apachelogger> but yeah, that's the branch
[10:06] <Riddell> sgclark: asking d_ed
[10:07] <Riddell> sgclark: this one https://github.com/sddm/sddm-kcm
[10:07] <Riddell> sgclark: d_ed says he'll look at releasing it one he's spoken to the author
[10:08] <Riddell> sgclark: so package it for now and hopefully it'll be good to go shortly
[10:08] <sgclark> Riddell: that one is for kde4 which won't work will it?
[10:08] <Riddell> sgclark: there's a qt5 branch
[10:08] <sgclark> ahh ok
[10:08] <Riddell> https://github.com/sddm/sddm-kcm/tree/qt5
[10:09] <sgclark> ty
[10:09] <Riddell> he says it'll also need some changes to libpolkit-qt5-1-1
[10:10] <apachelogger> those are landed
[10:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: the ones needed for kauth?
[10:12] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:12] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like some chap called harald already did some packaging so you should be able to take that and tidy it up (he's a messy sort) https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell-next/sddm-kcm/packaging
[10:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: where should we run jenkins? I fear qa.kubuntu might be a bit too weak for a java web service
[10:15] <apachelogger> could put it on the server we use for neon orchestration right now
[10:15] <apachelogger> alas, that's a bluesystems thing
[10:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: fine with me but of course it'll limit access to yourself so just less likely other people can help
[10:18] <apachelogger> well, myself and shadeslayer
[10:19] <Riddell> if he wakes up
[10:20] <apachelogger> at any rate jenkins user access shouldn't be a problem, then again I don't think there'll be much management to be done via webui
[10:21] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/8177384/ <- completely automated job changes using a template config xD
[10:44] <sgclark> copy and paste is not functioning as expected...
[10:44] <Riddell> ?
[10:45] <sgclark> ctrl c close file ctrl v new file and nothing gets pasted. however if you leave the original file open it pastes...
[10:45] <yofel> latter is the native X behavior, so it klipper is somehow broken
[10:46] <sgclark> klipper has the paste in it so can paste from there, but that involves extra steps
[11:46] <sgclark> Riddell: apachelogger: sddm-kcm cleaned up and builds. I am testing now and the standalone module seems mostly functional, shouldn't there be a place in systemsettings for it? is there an extra step to make that happen?
[11:53] <Riddell> sgclark: it'll install a .desktop file
[11:54] <Riddell> which system settings will pick up
[11:54] <Riddell> maybe running kbuildsycoca5 will help if it doesn't
[11:56] <Riddell> sgclark: should go in /usr/share/kservices5/
[12:00] <sgclark> ok that file is there, will try kbuildsyscoca5
[12:01] <sgclark> that was it
[12:11] <sgclark> Riddell: where do you want this?
[12:14] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess in experimental for now then we poke d_ed to make a release
[12:14] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[12:15] <Riddell> sgclark: shadeslayer just appeared, you can fight it out who wants to do the sddm autologin stuff in ubiquity
[12:16] <sgclark> Riddell: he can have it, I am going to take a lunch at 5 am lol, otherwise I will get to it when I get back
[12:17] <Riddell> bug 1361474
[12:17] <Riddell> bug 1300361
[12:18] <Riddell> hmm fixes just been proposed for those
[12:20]  * shadeslayer materializes out of thin air
[12:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have you guys done lunch yet?
[12:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nope, and I'm in a mood to just get a sandwich, I'm deep in ubiqutiy code
[12:22] <shadeslayer> heh ok
[12:23] <shadeslayer> I want to go to Gat Blau
[12:23] <shadeslayer> been ages since I've been there
[12:23] <Riddell> oh you and your fancy smancy food, back when I was wee we were lucky to have half a jeely piece for lunch!
[12:23] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:24] <shadeslayer> well, it's not the 90's anymore
[12:25] <Riddell> ...and even then it was the half without the jeely!
[12:34]  * apachelogger has changed up jenkins jobs xD
[12:37] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/DsCns5M.png much dep tracking everywhere
[12:37]  * apachelogger does wonder how to efficiently manage dep tracking tho
[12:37] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: 20 build slaves :O
[12:38] <apachelogger> real men have many cores
[12:42] <apachelogger> perhaps we should simply let the heap of projects be generated from kde-build-metadata
[12:42] <apachelogger> that way we can simply reuse upstream's inter-dep list to generate the job dependencies
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:26] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[13:29] <BluesKaj> beta 1 works ok on the desktop, but the nvidia 331 driver fails to load X and the login screen lightdm here. Had to revert to nouveau for to get a working desktop altho nouveau behaves very well with the desktop effects enabled
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hi soee
[13:30] <BluesKaj> haven't tried beta 1 on this laptop yet
[14:07] <sgclark> shadeslayer: are you working on sddm autologin stuff in ubiquity
[14:07] <shadeslayer> sgclark: just got back from lunch, it's on my todo for today
[14:08] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ok ty
[14:08] <sgclark> Riddell: I will go through bugs and find dups and see if there is anything I can attempt
[14:10] <Riddell> sgclark: new packaging needed for kdevelop comes to mind
[14:10] <sgclark> Riddell: ok sure
[14:14] <Riddell> also wacomtablet https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu-packaging
[14:14] <sgclark> Riddell: also experimental is a mess of old stuff like frameworks 4.100.0 can I clean that up?
[14:14] <Riddell> sgclark: sure
[14:29] <mcstr_> does anyone knows what kind of script is used for the kipi plugins used in ksnapshot to upload on several image hosters?
[14:29] <Riddell> mcstr_: plugins in C++ I think
[14:30] <Riddell> apt-get source kipi-plugins  for the code
[14:30] <mcstr_> riddell i would love to do one for postimage.org because i really like their service seems someone else was trying this already tho http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18689409/image-uploading-script-in-python
[14:31] <Riddell> https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/kipi-plugins/repository
[14:31] <Riddell> mcstr_: it they have no API it's likely to be tricky
[14:32] <mcstr_> riddell too tricky for me then :(
[14:33] <mcstr_> http://postimage.org/mod.php
[14:34] <mcstr_> seems like they are using a script
[14:34] <mcstr_> <script type="text/javascript" src="http://mod.postimage.org/website-english.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
[14:38] <mcstr_> i have made a html site and added the code but not even this does anything
[15:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[15:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thoughts on why this gives a permission error : http://pastebin.kde.org/pycnimjvv
[16:00]  * Riddell does the I found a way to fix bug 1182784 dance
[16:02] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: the redirect is done by the shell not sudo
[16:03] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: http://paste.kde.org/pmy4cqrdp
[16:03] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: what would be the right way to do this?
[16:03] <tsimpson> you can use 'sudo tee filename' instead of '> filename'
[16:04] <tsimpson> little difficult sometimes
[16:04] <tsimpson> or you can just run it from a root shell
[16:05] <tsimpson> ... cat << EOF | sudo tee /etc/sddm.conf; may work
[16:07] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:08] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: writes to host system that does
[16:08] <tsimpson> maybe you're just missing quotes then
[16:09] <tsimpson> and/or wrapping it in sh -c
[16:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:10] <shadeslayer> wrapping it sh -c will work
[16:10] <shadeslayer> but it's going to be weird
[16:10] <shadeslayer> trying to extract the user
[16:22] <Riddell> adiu
[16:28] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wrong spelling Ithink
[16:28] <shadeslayer> ok nope
[16:28] <shadeslayer> nothing works
[16:28] <shadeslayer> *headdesk*
[16:28] <shadeslayer> spent too much time on this
[16:28] <shadeslayer> screw it
[16:28] <shadeslayer> will have a look on Monday
[20:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: hmm
[21:13] <kdeuser56> how do I get the build deps of a package in neon again?
[21:14] <kdeuser56> "apt-get build-dep project-neon5-kwin" does not work :-(
[21:28] <kdeuser56> it says unable to find source package for ...
[21:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am not sure what you are trying to do
[21:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are supposed to change user-setup to write that thing
[21:56] <valorie> so, one last error last night, after I logged off here: paste.kde.org/ptxsvdknk
[21:57] <valorie> first bit and last bit
[22:10] <valorie> anyway, I'm leaving for the cabin after dinner ~3 hours from now, so I guess unlikely to be fixed until Sunday at the earliest
[22:13] <valorie> I assume it is done the same with with the --forceoverwrite but I don't know the name of the file to do that with, and the underlying problem should be fixed anyway
[22:14] <valorie> perhaps I'll just send an email to kub-devel
[22:32] <valorie> sent
[23:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that is from user-setup