[09:42] <Minataku> Arwen: Sorry to "attack" like that, it's just hot in here and I'm grumpy X3
[09:42] <Kjellviz> and maybe scroll at end of screen to swap desktop
[09:42] <Minataku> Kjellviz: Stick an electric toothbrush in your mouth
[09:42] <Minataku> The whole SCREEN will be wobbly
[09:42] <BluesKaj> beryl is a 4 letter word to us ATI users ...it's only window dressing anyway
[09:42] <Minataku> :D
[09:42] <cadkins> Is Compiz more stable than Beryl.  My Beryl crashed all the time or just took forever to start up
[09:42] <Kjellviz> are there any alternatives to beryl that ARE infact usable
[09:42] <Minataku> ATI is a 4 letter word to all of us here
[09:43] <cugel> compiz is supposed to be more stable.
[09:43] <BluesKaj> hehe Minataku
[09:43] <cadkins> hmmm, looks the same :)
[09:44] <BluesKaj> the operative word there cugel is "supposed"
[09:44] <mneptok> ATI actually is a four lettel word, but the last letter has to be protected as a trade secret.
[09:44] <BluesKaj> watchjout for the offtopic police ...they're lurking
[09:44] <Arwen> compiz *is* beryl... sheesh
[09:44] <mneptok> BluesKaj: well, that would be me, so ... :)
[09:45] <BluesKaj> mneptok, :)
[09:45] <mneptok> it's a reasonably technical discussion of KDE-related stuffs. and no one is being interrupted.
[09:47] <Kjellviz> mneptok	ATI actually is a four lettel word, but the last letter has to be protected as a trade secret.
[09:47] <mneptok> yes, that was me.
[09:47] <Kjellviz> how do you translate that into a reasonable tehcnical discussion of KDE realted stuff ?
[09:48] <mneptok> i said it. i admit it. bring on the NDA lawyers.
[09:48] <Kjellviz> =P
[09:48] <Kjellviz> guess your on FBI most wanted by now :P
[09:48] <mneptok> oh, that happened ages ago.
[09:48] <mneptok> mostly because of my stalking of Gilbert Gottfried.
[09:49] <Kjellviz> but anyways, bottom line is there is compiz?
[09:49] <mneptok> yes.
[09:49] <Kjellviz> ok
[09:49] <Kjellviz> and the compilation that comes with ubuntu ?
[09:49] <Kjellviz> thats beryl+compiz
[09:51] <stan_> so about lm-sensor...
[09:51] <stan_> i have this problem
[09:51] <stan_> i installed it and configured it
[09:51] <stan_> completely followed the howto guide on ubuntu forums
[09:52] <stan_> and i still dont get the cpu temperature
[09:52] <stan_> does anyone know how to fix it or where the problem originates from?
[09:53] <stan_> heres the output of the sensors command in terminal
[09:53] <stan_> w83627hf-isa-0290
[09:53] <stan_> Adapter: ISA adapter
[09:53] <stan_> VCore 1:   +4.08 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
[09:54] <stan_> VCore 2:   +4.08 V  (min =  +0.00 V, max =  +4.08 V)
[09:54] <stan_> +3.3V:     +4.08 V  (min =  +2.82 V, max =  +3.79 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> +5V:       +5.08 V  (min =  +4.14 V, max =  +0.00 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> +12V:     +11.61 V  (min = +13.38 V, max =  +0.24 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> -12V:      +0.96 V  (min =  -4.14 V, max =  -4.55 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> -5V:       +2.09 V  (min =  -1.33 V, max =  +0.63 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> V5SB:      +5.59 V  (min =  +1.32 V, max =  +5.19 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> VBat:      +0.19 V  (min =  +2.42 V, max =  +1.60 V)       ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> fan1:        0 RPM  (min = 11637 RPM, div = 2)              ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> fan2:        0 RPM  (min =    0 RPM, div = 2)
[09:54] <stan_> fan3:        0 RPM  (min = 4963 RPM, div = 2)              ALARM
[09:54] <stan_> temp1:       -48C  (high =    -1C, hyst =   +28C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:54] <Assid> are you sure its detecting everything?
[09:54] <stan_> temp2:     -48.0C  (high =   +80C, hyst =   +75C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:55] <stan_> temp3:     -48.0C  (high =   +80C, hyst =   +75C)   sensor = thermistor
[09:55] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | stan_,
[09:55] <ubotu> stan_,: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:55] <stan_> vid:      +0.000 V  (VRM Version 10.0)
[09:55] <stan_> alarms:
[09:55] <stan_> beep_enable:
[09:55] <stan_>           Sound alarm enabled
[09:55] <stan_> it only has those three temps but it doesnt even say which one is a cpu temp
[09:55] <stan_> does anyonw know how to fix it?
[09:55] <Kjellviz> lol
[09:55] <stan_> :)
[09:55] <stan_> samn
[09:55] <stan_> damn
[09:55] <stan_> anyway
[09:56] <stan_> sorry about that :|
[09:56] <stan_> so.. anyone any ideas?
[09:56] <Kjellviz> compiz install file tells me to run autogen.sh, that renders this error for me: bash: autogen.sh: command not found
[09:57] <XmaN> I'm back, large as life & twice as ugly :/
[09:57] <Kjellviz> stan_: sry i have no idea what you are installing :P
[09:58] <XmaN> And it's me who's definitely broken ...
[09:58] <XmaN> Or not ?
[09:58] <stan_> teh sensors to measure temperature and all
[09:58] <Kjellviz> is autogen.sh (or compiz for that matter) gnome spesific ?
[09:59] <BluesKaj> Kjellviz,no
[09:59] <XmaN> I did some testing of linux on a more powerfull PC
[09:59] <Kjellviz> ok, how come i get the error bash: autogen.sh: command not found
[09:59] <Kjellviz>  ?
[10:00] <XmaN> Mine was Duron 1100+/Abit KT7A/256Mb
[10:00] <crdlb> Kjellviz, why are you compiling compiz?
[10:00] <yknott> Kjellviz: bash autogen.sh
[10:00] <BluesKaj> Kjellviz, that's kinda out of my league
[10:00] <XmaN> This other one is Athlon 2500+/Abit AN7/1Gb
[10:00] <yknott> XmaN: yes and?
[10:01] <crdlb> Kjellviz, compiz 0.3.6 is in main, and trevinho has a repository for latest git
[10:01] <XmaN> And damn, if the CPU is not 100% usage while doing any copy ...
[10:01] <XmaN> I also did the same thing on an even older PC, another duron and a K6-2
[10:02] <XmaN> same thing ...
[10:02] <XmaN> But then i played with Acronis which is based on some variant of the Linux kernel ...
[10:02] <XmaN> And this thing is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAST
[10:02] <Kjellviz> because the compiz i get in main repos is both compiz and beryl
[10:02] <Kjellviz> i dont want beryl
[10:02] <crdlb> Kjellviz, what?
[10:02] <Kjellviz> just wanted to test standalone compiz
[10:03] <crdlb> what are you talking about?
[10:03] <crdlb> !info compiz
[10:03] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 60 kB
[10:03] <crdlb> that is *just* compiz
[10:03] <crdlb> trevinho's repo of compiz-git is also /just/ compiz
[10:03] <Kjellviz> im talking about when i search package manager for compiz i get nothing, if i search for and install beryl i get compiz as an option in beryl
[10:04] <XmaN> Now, i couldn't measure cpu usage but at the rate of copying/compressing (it did that too) the CPU should have been like 30Ghz
[10:04] <Kjellviz> but my graphical add/remove program renders NO results when i search for compiz
[10:04] <crdlb> that makes no sense at all
[10:04] <Kjellviz> none, zip, nada
[10:04] <crdlb> Kjellviz, are you using adept?
[10:04] <Kjellviz> yep
[10:04] <Jack33> how do  i searhc for a process?
[10:04] <crdlb> use apt-get
[10:04] <crdlb> sudo apt-get install compiz-kde
[10:04] <Jack33> i want to find the firefox process and kill it
[10:04] <Kjellviz> i would if i knew how
[10:04] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:05] <Kjellviz> thanks
[10:05] <Kjellviz> will that install a manager/config window ?
[10:05] <crdlb> Kjellviz, no
[10:05] <Kjellviz> or is that optional ?
[10:05] <crdlb> there really isn't one for kde
[10:05] <crdlb> with the repo version
[10:05] <Kjellviz> hmmk
[10:05] <crdlb> Kjellviz, what's wrong with beryl?
[10:06] <Kjellviz> just too much
[10:06] <colonia> Hey
[10:06] <Kjellviz> 200 options i dont need
[10:06] <crdlb> Kjellviz, just turn off what you don't want
[10:06] <colonia> Why I got this error? : No se pudo bloquear /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Recurso temporalmente no disponible)
[10:06] <Kjellviz> and my comp is tad bit slow
[10:06] <Kjellviz> and i like the compiz effects better
[10:07] <crdlb> what does compiz have that beryl doesn't?
[10:07] <Kjellviz> the wobbling is smoother
[10:07] <crdlb> Kjellviz, there's no way to configure compiz 0.3.6 without gconf
[10:07] <Kjellviz> and more stuff wobble in compiz
[10:07] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:07] <colonia> Anyone can help me with this error?, it appears when Im updating apt-get: E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:07] <Kjellviz> gconf, do i need to run gnome to run that ?
[10:07] <crdlb> Kjellviz, no but you need a good chunk of gnome installed
[10:08] <Kjellviz> i already do
[10:08] <Kjellviz> since i installed ubuntu and then added kde
[10:08] <Kjellviz> ><
[10:08] <BluesKaj> colonia, in the konsole type: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:08] <crdlb> Kjellviz, well in that case, you can just use gnome-compiz-manager
[10:09] <crdlb> and put gnome-compiz-icon in your autostart
[10:09] <sito> hellow
[10:09] <sito> :D
[10:09] <colonia> BluesKaj: thanks a lot :D
[10:09] <Kjellviz> ohhh thats another thing. i cant find my autostart lol
[10:10] <BluesKaj> np colonia :)
[10:10] <sito> a program similar kmobiltools?
[10:10] <Kjellviz> i switched from gnome to kde yesterday
[10:10] <Kjellviz> ^^
[10:10] <waylandbill> !autostart | Kjellviz
[10:10] <ubotu> Kjellviz: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[10:10] <Kjellviz> danke
[10:11] <jthomas> does anyone have experience using Kubuntu as a DHCP server?
[10:11] <waylandbill> jthomas: works just like any other DHCP server.
[10:12] <jthomas> waylandbill: would I need a second NIC?
[10:12] <Kjellviz> crdlb: thanks a million
[10:12] <Kjellviz> got compiz running now, saweeet
[10:12] <waylandbill> jthomas: you shouldn't.
[10:13] <jthomas> waylandbill: I currently have a Linksys WRT54G with OpenWRT firmware; I just continue to use it as normal after turning off its DHCP?  How do I manage clients?
[10:13] <yknott> bitte
[10:13] <yknott> Kjellviz: why the switch from gnome to kde?
[10:13] <waylandbill> jthomas: the server software should handle all that.
[10:14] <pimpin> i have no sound in my koubountu 7.04
[10:14] <Kjellviz> yknott: it just looks better, nothing else
[10:14] <jthomas> waylandbill: but how do I manage the server software for it?  say i want some static addresses and I want to ban some MAC addresses and I want to renew some leases and all the rest... in the Linksys its all graphical but with the server software I am guessing its CLI...
[10:15] <jthomas> waylandbill: also, how does it work if the Linksys is the current gateway?  and if the linksys does the wifi?
[10:16] <waylandbill> jthomas: if you're using bind, then yes it is CLI (text configuration files)
[10:16] <waylandbill> jthomas: you have wifi clients?
[10:16] <jthomas> waylandbill: yes i have wifi...
[10:17] <waylandbill> jthomas: I'd stick with the built-in dhcp then.
[10:17] <jthomas> waylandbill: hmm... thats what I want to do, but i want to install LinuxMCE and it says it makes the 'cor' computer into DHCP server; i can opt not to do that but then the network boot options are disabled and i need that part...
[10:18] <jthomas> \'core'
[10:18] <Kjellviz> another reason to switch from beryl to compiz; my taskbar no longer shows on top of World of Warcraft
[10:19] <waylandbill> jthomas: you're trying to do some PXE booting. I understand. I've never PXE'd from wifi. only hard wire.
[10:20] <waylandbill> jthomas: I'm not sure I've seen a laptop that will net boot from anything but ethernet.
[10:20] <jthomas> waylandbill: i don't want PXE via the wifi, but I want PXE enabled for the LinuxMCE clients, and i want wifi for the regular machines...
[10:21] <waylandbill> jthomas: sounds like you need to make a subnet for the PXE clients.
[10:22] <binks> hello anyone used mythtv on fiesty or got sasc-ng working
[10:22] <jthomas> waylandbill: hmm that may be the case...
[10:23] <waylandbill> jthomas: you'll probably want 2 nics to isolate the two dhcp servers in that case.
[10:23] <waylandbill> jthomas: could even be ethernet and wifi in same machine like a laptop.
[10:24] <nosrednaekim> binks: only mythfrontend
[10:26] <binks> with a dvb card in your pc
[10:26] <binks> nosrednaekim:
[10:28] <nosrednaekim> binks: DVD card?
[10:28] <waylandbill> jthomas: using wifi and ethernet you'd put the dhcp server on the ethernet and use the wifi to reach the router. Of course, you could use 2 ethernet.. it all depends on what you have available.
[10:29] <jthomas> waylandbill: but with two nics I would have to have two routers, one for each 'type' (wired, wifi)... i want the internet to go to the Linksys, then to my computer; then have my ocmputer hand out DHCP through the linksys again...
[10:29] <binks> nosrednaekim: no dvb digi tv
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> binks: oh... no... I don't have that. I only have the myth frontend going to a gentoo  based backend.
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> the backend has the dvb cards
[10:30] <binks> nosrednaekim: do you use a softcam for testing you no
[10:31] <nosrednaekim> softcam? no
[10:31] <binks> sasc-ng maybe
[10:32] <nosrednaekim> don't know what that is
[10:33] <mayorca1> i need find more server... what i do?
[10:34] <binks> ok not the forum to discus it here
[10:34] <nosrednaekim> mayorca1: servers? what kind of servers?
[10:35] <XmaN> Can somebody point me to some channel where i can find info about my issue ?
[10:35] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: what is your issue?
[10:35] <XmaN> Which is HI CPU load and abismall performance on any copy operation
[10:35] <jihdfs> sorry fuer den nick aber der hat mir nur 5 sekunden zeit gegeben und die kurzen wie max oder otto hat er nicht akzeptiert
[10:35] <XmaN> on any PC i could get my hands on ?
[10:36] <XmaN> Kernel, glibc, userspace ?
[10:36] <nosrednaekim> !de jihdfs
[10:36] <jihdfs> only english in this channel?
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about de jihdfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <XmaN> I can't believe GNU/Linux acts so poorely ...
[10:36] <mayorca1> para los que hablan espaol...les cuento que para sorpresa mia, he llegado a un centro comercial, en Medellin Colombia y vi dos pcs que cualquiera puede utilizar.. ofrecen el servicio de internet... y he encontrado que tienen instalado LINUX UBUNTU... QUE MARAVILLA.
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: so wait, you are having terrible performance?
[10:37] <XmaN> PAINFULL one
[10:37] <mayorca1> al principio, cuando lo v de lejos cre que era win... como suele suceder... pero NO... es LINUX
[10:37] <jihdfs> if anyone speak german and have 10 minits for me ....plz /q me thx
[10:37] <XmaN> Sometimes my mouse stops responding ...
[10:37] <nosrednaekim> jihdfs: yes, only english here
[10:37] <jihdfs> sorry
[10:38] <nosrednaekim> !german jihdfs
[10:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about german jihdfs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <jihdfs> !german
[10:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:38] <jihdfs> thanks
[10:39] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: do you have good modern hardware?
[10:39] <XmaN> My own, well, no
[10:39] <XmaN> But my friend's
[10:39] <XmaN> Oh, yeah
[10:40] <XmaN> They're runs faster but the symptom is the same ...
[10:40] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: so it has terrible performance on good hardware?
[10:40] <XmaN> Not really, but not great either ...
[10:41] <nosrednaekim> alt+esc and see which process is using the most CPU
[10:41] <XmaN> I mean to get 12Mb/sec at 100% CPU usage on 2 yr old top hardware then ...
[10:41] <ismail> hi all
[10:41] <nullkuhl> guys please help am trying to install the driver for my sounds card ( realtek alc880 ) ,, at step 4 of installation it says i should Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the distribution THen  Copy and paste this to the bottom of your /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf file.  and actually both modules.conf and modprobe.conf are empty files .. i guess they dont even exist ,, can u plz help ??
[10:41] <XmaN> no process
[10:42] <ismail> im having problems with beryl i cant seem to get the window decoration to work any ideas?
[10:42] <XmaN> top says max is 12% cpu
[10:42] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: thats not bad at all..
[10:42] <XmaN> But the KDE panel CPU mmonitor shows 100% usage (mostly I/O wait)
[10:43] <nosrednaekim> ismail: do you have nvidia, or ATI?
[10:43] <XmaN> and some user/kernelspace
[10:43] <XmaN> Top is wrong
[10:43] <XmaN> There is 100% usage
[10:44] <XmaN> i can feel it because the machine allmost starts to crawl
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: go over to #linux.Top is rarely wrong
[10:44] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: is the HD being used alot?
[10:44] <XmaN> THX
[10:45] <romeo_> hi
[10:45] <nullkuhl> guys please help am trying to install the driver for my sounds card ( realtek alc880 ) ,, at step 4 of installation it says i should Step 4. Edit your /etc/modules.conf or conf.modules depending on the distribution THen  Copy and paste this to the bottom of your /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.conf file.  and actually both modules.conf and modprobe.conf are empty files .. i guess they dont even exist ,, can u plz help ??
[10:45] <XmaN> No, that's my gripe
[10:45] <XmaN> On the other OS i can hear it grinding at 30-50Mb/sec
[10:45] <bjwebb> how do i install a .bin file?
[10:45] <Arwen> nullkuhl, Ubuntu is different, edit /etc/modules
[10:46] <XmaN> But *nux barely touches 5Mb/sec
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: even if you are doing heavy disc usage like writing large files?
[10:46] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: is this a fresh installation?
[10:46] <Cyrano> ok
[10:46] <Cyrano> hi guys
[10:46] <romeo_> i know this an automatix problem ,but has anyone have trouble downloading codecs(media) on 7.04s
[10:46] <Cyrano> totally unrelated question
[10:47] <XmaN> Actually small files go alittle better tha large files but not muxh
[10:47] <Cyrano> is there a native speaker of english here?
[10:47] <bjwebb> i am :D
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> Cyrano: this is the english channel, so yeah.
[10:47] <Cyrano> what is the difference between authentication and authorisation ???
[10:47] <nosrednaekim> actually I speak american ;)
[10:47] <XmaN> Fresh install, many diverse PC's even different distros
[10:47] <Cyrano> ok
[10:47] <Cyrano> that was my question
[10:48] <XmaN> I've been toying with this since some years ago
[10:48] <XmaN> But did not use *nux fulltime so i didn't care
[10:48] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: Linux has always seemed very fast to me.
[10:48] <romeo_> can someone direct me to automatix  channel if no one can answer my question?
[10:49] <XmaN> Do you have the cpu monitor applet on the kicker (the one with vertical bars) ?
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: I can get it...
[10:49] <Arwen> romeo_, #automatix - but automatix sucks ass
[10:49] <nosrednaekim> romeo_: what codecs do you want?
[10:49] <XmaN> K. Try copying whatever and tell me what it says
[10:49] <romeo_> dvd
[10:49] <romeo_> and all
[10:49] <romeo_> really
[10:49] <Arwen> !restrictedformats | romeo_
[10:49] <ubotu> romeo_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:50] <Arwen> don't ever use automatix/easyubuntu/breakyoursystemware
[10:50] <XmaN> For me it is allways 100% (usually on black with some red and yellow )
[10:50] <romeo_> well i have had no problmes really
[10:50] <mayorca1> i wanna find ubunto in spanish
[10:50] <XmaN> translating into heavy I/O time and little user/kernel space activity
[10:51] <mayorca1> Ubuntu
[10:51] <nosrednaekim> mayorca1: !es
[10:51] <Arwen> !es | mayorca1
[10:51] <ubotu> mayorca1: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:51] <mayorca1> thx
[10:51] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: you must have a really misconfigured system.
[10:51] <romeo_> thank you
[10:51] <XmaN> All of them ?
[10:51] <XmaN> Remember i see the same thing everywhere
[10:52] <XmaN> Just that on faster systems it's not that obvious ...
[10:52] <XmaN> How much Mb/sec at what %CPU did you get ?
[10:52] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: you really must not know what you are doing. If its on hardware  younger than 3 years
[10:53] <XmaN> From K6-II upto Athlons
[10:53] <XmaN> Same pattern
[10:53] <Cyrano> so
[10:53] <Cyrano> who can answer me?
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: about 5-10% cpu use, Mb perseconds saturates my 5400RPM lappy HD
[10:53] <Cyrano> what is the difference between authentication and authorisation?
[10:53] <XmaN> How much ?
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> Cyrano: its not a linux question, don't expect an answer
[10:53] <XmaN> 10-15Mb/sec
[10:53] <Cyrano> nosrednaekim:?
[10:53] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: I really don't know.
[10:54] <XmaN> Using KDE or what ?
[10:54] <NickPresta> XmaN, what seems to be the problem? Your CPU is always using 100% and is rendering your desktop unusable?
[10:54] <Cyrano> that is alinux question
[10:54] <romeo_> one more question can i use the ubuntu restricted formats in (k)?
[10:54] <XmaN> You got it
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> Cyrano: you're talking like Windows authorization right?
[10:54] <genii> You show you have proper authorisation by authenticating your credentials
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: Beryl and KDE
[10:54] <Cyrano> what is the difference between authentication and authorisation when i use session initiation protocol over linux based systems
[10:54] <Cyrano> SIP
[10:54] <XmaN> Beryl ?
[10:54] <Cyrano> SIMPLE
[10:55] <XmaN> Are you kidding me ?
[10:55] <Cyrano> ok?
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: what do you mean?
[10:55] <Cyrano> now is it a linux question?
[10:55] <NickPresta> XmaN, what does `top` and `ps aux` look like? Do you notice anything strange? What services do you have started? What system specs?
[10:55] <XmaN> I don't use such a thing
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> Cyrano: sorry.. I misunderstood you.
[10:55] <sweettooth> hey, i have just installed beryl, and when i started the beryl manager, nothing happens, can anyone please help?
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> XmaN: I'm just showing you that linux is NOT underperforming here
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: do you have ATI or Nvidia?
[10:56] <Cyrano> i dont understand the nuance between those two words is there not anybody who can say me the difference
[10:56] <XmaN> I know Linux is the THING
[10:56] <Cyrano> it seems nearly same to me
[10:56] <XmaN> It's just not my experience ...
[10:56] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, i have intel i915 chip set
[10:56] <XmaN> Maybe i'm a bad apple ...
[10:56] <Cyrano> when i ve seen those two words side by side i couldnt grasp a sentence in my SIP documentation
[10:56] <Cyrano> so nosrednaekim will uexplain?
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: good enough, run "beryl" from the command line
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: and then run beryl manager
[10:57] <NickPresta> XmaN, I would assume it isn't your system specs as I've had Kubuntu run on hardware several years old. However, there is obviously something strange going on. Any information regarding services (from a fresh restart) or the actions that lead up to 100% usage is appreciated.
[10:58] <XmaN> NickPresta: top says the process with the most cpu is at 12% cpu usage and there are another 1-2 processes with 4-5%
[10:58] <nosrednaekim> Cyrano: I really don't know. no experience with SIP
[10:58] <XmaN> So at most 20%
[10:58] <Cyrano> what about literally?
[10:58] <Cyrano> u know the difference between those two words in simple english?
[10:59] <XmaN> cp,mc,gtk,qt,kde whatever you use to copy whatever triggers the same response
[10:59] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, i can start beryl, but i still cannot start beryl-manager
[10:59] <XmaN> poor transfer at 100% cpuload
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> a police officer has to authenicate your badge before you can be authorized to continue
[10:59] <genii> Cyrano Basically When you enter a password or so on, you are authenticating (showing you are authentic). Authenticating proves to the system you are authorised to do some operation.
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: what does it say? what errors?
[11:00] <XmaN> if i would had maxed my 7k2 seagate there would be no prob
[11:00] <XmaN> But 5 lousy Megs/sec ?
[11:00] <XmaN> And 12 on some rather modern rig ?
[11:00] <Cyrano> ok thx
[11:00] <NickPresta> XmaN, when you're in `top`, what do you see on the Cpu(s) line? What is your "us" percentage? How many processes are running?
[11:00] <Cyrano> first one is validation second one is allowance permission
[11:00] <Cyrano> right
[11:01] <Cyrano> genii:thx a lot
[11:01] <genii> Cyrano np
[11:01] <XmaN> NickPresta: I'll have to go by memory (since not in linux right now)
[11:01] <XmaN> and cannot reboot
[11:02] <XmaN> Processes: about 20-30 all without cpu usage
[11:02] <XmaN> 1 @ 12%
[11:02] <XmaN> another at 8%
[11:02] <NickPresta> XmaN, you have about 20-30 processes running at any given time?
[11:03] <XmaN> and another at 5%
[11:03] <XmaN> Yeah
[11:03] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, kde crashed just now
[11:03] <XmaN> But these don't eat anything
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> see-g__: ok....
[11:03] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: so you restarted kde?
[11:04] <XmaN> Most are things like bash, hal, dbus etc
[11:04] <XmaN> Ksysguard was even worse
[11:04] <XmaN> everything was 0%
[11:04] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, yea, but even so, when i started beryl in a shell, it changes my other program windows and eliminated their window bar
[11:04] <daquino> dude firefox is seriously messed up
[11:05] <sweettooth> and when i ran beryl-manager in shell, it gave me some sort of infinite loop that i couldn't stop
[11:05] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: thats ok (I think), do an alt+f2 after they lose their borders and run beryl-manager
[11:06] <sweettooth> nosredaekim, this is weird, i can't type anything in the command box
[11:06] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: you can't make it focus... hmm..
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: go to #ubutnu-effects
[11:07] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, now i clicked the option in the command window, i can focus and type on it again
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> *#ubuntu-effects
[11:07] <sweettooth> ok
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> oh... and are borders back?
[11:07] <sweettooth> nope, still haven't got any border
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: so run beryl-manager from there
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: a red crystal will apear in the panel
[11:08] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, yes, i can see it now
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> right click on it.
[11:09] <nosrednaekim> select window manager-> beryl
[11:10] <sweettooth> yup, what shall i do next then?
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: borders back?
[11:10] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, no, they aren't back yet, but i seem to have some errors from the shell where i started beryl
[11:10] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: whats the error?
[11:10] <sweettooth> beryl: Failed to load slide: /home/robb/hotcorners_racarr.svg
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: you are in fiesty, right?
[11:11] <Grant> where do I get the development files for OpenGL?
[11:11] <sweettooth> beryl: Failed to load slide: /home/robb/hotcorners_racarr.svg
[11:11] <Arwen> sweettooth, one of your images are missing
[11:11] <Arwen> probably a cubecab/skydome
[11:11] <sweettooth> yes, i have feisty installed
[11:11] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: remove .beryl
[11:11] <Arwen> Grant, archive.ubuntu.com ?
[11:11] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, remove .beryl from where?
[11:12] <sweettooth> sorry, should have said i wasn't an expert in linux neither
[11:12] <Arwen> 'apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dev'
[11:12] <nosrednaekim> your home directory, its beryl's configuration directory. pop up a terminal and do "rm -rf .beryl"
[11:12] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: its ok!
[11:13] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, ok, i have removed it now
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: stop beryl.
[11:13] <Grant> Arwen, thanks
[11:13] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: just log out I guess.
[11:14] <sweettooth> log out of kde?
[11:14] <Arwen> damn it, running beryl at 2560x1024 is way too slow..
[11:15] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: yeah... but what other errors did beryl print out? PM me and paste them there (the whole output)
[11:15] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, ok cool, i will log out first
[11:16] <Grant> ugh, do I have to add the GL file directory to some list?
[11:17] <Arwen> Grant, no? What exactly are you trying to do?
[11:18] <Grant> I'm trying to compile an OpenGL c++ program
[11:18] <rathel_> How do I make backspace, Back in Firefox, like it is on Windows?
[11:19] <Arwen> Grant, what program? and which headers exactly is it asking for?
[11:19] <cybrhuman> hi, I am trying to install a program on my laptop, but under configuration I get an error saying that gd.h is required but not found... could someone help me figure out the problem?
[11:20] <Arwen> cybrhuman, what program?
[11:21] <cybrhuman> arwen, s710
[11:21] <cybrhuman> arwen, finding the url...
[11:22] <Pollywog> anyone know why a laptop running kubuntu might be noisy at night when a disktop also running Feisty stays quiet unless it is doing system maintenance asks?
[11:22] <Arwen> .....Kubuntu and Feisty aren't mutually exclusive
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> rathel_: #firefox
[11:23] <Pollywog> no, both are fesity
[11:23] <Pollywog> I did not mean they were two things
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> Pollywog: different hardware?
[11:23] <Pollywog> perhaps
[11:23] <nosrednaekim> worse cooling?
[11:23] <cybrhuman> arwen, http://daveb.net/s710/
[11:23] <Grant> Arwen, I'm including GL/glut.h, GL/gl.h, GL/glu.h
[11:24] <Pollywog> but now the laptop is running Freespire and PC-BSD dual boot and it is quiet all night
[11:24] <ehc> is there a way I can do a cat filename and send the output to klipper or just the next I paste it will be there?
[11:24] <Arwen> Grant, ok
[11:24] <greg_g_> rathel_: in FF in the location bar, type about:config
[11:24] <Arwen> cybrhuman, I'll take a look, but it sounds like you're missing some libraries
[11:24] <greg_g_> in the filter field type "back" to find options with that in them
[11:24] <Arwen> Grant, try freeglut3-dev too
[11:25] <greg_g_> rathel_: when you are that far, tell me
[11:25] <Pollywog> but when this laptop was running Feisty it kept me awake all night
[11:25] <Arwen> also libglu1-mesa-dev
[11:25] <Pollywog> it was... feisty in other words
[11:25] <Grant> Arwen, yea I already got mesa-dev
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> Pollywog: hmm well maybe your frequncy scaling wasn't set up right.
[11:26] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, i have restarted my pc, since after i logged back in, the beryl thing was still kinda running
[11:26] <Arwen> Grant, yeah, look for glut-dev too
[11:26] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: ok...
[11:26] <sweettooth> anyway, i will start beryl and pm you the error msg, thx for your help
[11:26] <Arwen> sorry, I'm not an expert in packages
[11:27] <Pollywog> nosrednaekim: yes I think it was something like that or else the stuff specific to laptops
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> so run beryl now, and pastebin any errors
[11:27] <Pollywog> for energy conservation etc
[11:27] <nosrednaekim> actually, all the output
[11:28] <greg_g_> I guess rathel_ is gone, but if you are looking rathel_, here is the link: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action
[11:29] <Grant> Arwen, freeglut did it, thanks
[11:31] <excitatory> how could one reinstall kde without bringing in all of the extra packages the 'kde' package does?  (i had a power outage during a kde 3.5.7 upgrade, and kde has been crashing along with amarok, and i think i need to reinstall something.)  For the record, i have updated and attempted dist-upgrading and apt-get install -f, but dpkg thinks everything is in order.
[11:31] <Arwen> Grant, you're welcome :-)
[11:31] <Arwen> excitatory, kde-core
[11:31] <excitatory> Arwen: would i just apt-get install --reinstall?
[11:31] <Arwen> excitatory, eh. mp odea
[11:31] <excitatory> Arwen: since that will probably only reinstalled that meta package..
[11:31] <Arwen> no idea*
[11:31] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, after i typed "beryl-manager &" in the shell, i had sth like an infinite loop showing errors which i couldnt stop, can you tell me how to log them please/
[11:31] <sweettooth> ?
[11:32] <Arwen> you should "apt-get remove --auto-remove kde" and then "apt-get install kde-core"
[11:32] <rathel_> greg_g_: Thanks for that, I was AFK.
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: do you have any clue what the errors were? and don't put the & after it. its not necessary
[11:34] <cybrhuman> arwen, I figured what library I was missing, libgd... thanks :-)
[11:34] <Arwen> good for you :-)
[11:36] <greg_g_> rathel_: no worries
[11:38] <Iwonder|too> whats the trigger for works for me?
[11:38] <ehc> is there a way I can do a cat filename and send the output to klipper or just the next I paste it will be there?
[11:38] <Arwen> !worksforme
[11:38] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:39] <sweettooth> nosrednaekim, i have no idea what the errors are, as they were running too fast
[11:39] <Iwonder|too> ty very much
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: you know, you can get the window borders back by selecting kwin on that list of window managers in bery-manager
[11:39] <sweettooth> anything i could do to capture the error to a txt file?
[11:39] <sweettooth> i tried
[11:39] <sweettooth> but after i got the borders back, it crashed
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: try just running beryl, without beryl-manager
[11:40] <sweettooth> and i didn't see the taskbar after that
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> and ..... uh oh.. I have to go.
[11:40] <nosrednaekim> sweettooth: go to #ubuntu-effects
[11:40] <sweettooth> alright, well thx a lot for your help
[11:40] <sweettooth> much appreciated
[11:40] <sweettooth> i will
[11:47] <dromer> aaarg, still having massive problems with nvidia twinview, I have a 6200 with crt, dvi and s-video outputs, and crt's on the ctr and dvi outputs (with a standard converter), currently standard xorg.conf with DynamicTwinView = True does recognside the screen on the DVI output properly, it just can't output anything to the screen
[11:47] <dromer> aarg
[11:53] <igorguto> Hello world.
[12:00] <igorguto> Kubuntu = a melhor!
[12:00] <igorguto> weee
[12:02] <wedgeV> how do i configure kwin to raise a group of windows when i click on one of them?
[12:02] <igorguto> I don't know
[12:02] <igorguto> *capotes*
[12:02] <wedgeV> eg: all gimp windows, or emacs and speedbar...
[12:03] <igorguto> cannot help you. I dont even know what is kwin
[12:04] <wedgeV> the kde windows manager, i'll ask in #kde
[12:04] <crimsun> kwin is the default KDE window manager.
[12:04] <igorguto> ahhhh
[12:11] <wimpies> anybody here that knows how to verify an mp3 file without playing it ?
[12:11] <Arwen> wimpies, ...verify? explain
[12:12] <wimpies> well sometimes on my mp3 player the song stops or terminates too quickly although the file seems large enough
[12:12] <Arwen> wimpies, you can't really "verify" it unless there's a checksum posted somewhere
[12:13] <Arwen> you can run it through mplayer with "-ao null" and see if it complains though
[12:13] <wimpies> hmm
[12:13] <kronos91> ciao a tutti