[00:00] <frib> i duno i just saw that it said php5 installed was assumed so it must have had to be there for things to not get messed up
[00:00] <virgoretti6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17775585/
[00:00] <virgoretti6> I get that error when I try to install Wine.
[00:01] <fullstack> if I checked .ssh permissions and /etc/ssh/sshd_config options and I still can ssh with authorized_keys --- what else could be my problem? 14.04
[00:02] <xangua> virgoretti6: you'll have to make an effort and explain what you did, what you were trying to do and how you end mixing 64 and 32 bit repositories
[00:03] <hggdh> fullstack: please start by stating what you think is wrong
[00:03] <fullstack> typo: I cannot ssh via authorized_keys
[00:03] <virgoretti6> xangua all I'm doing is trying to install Wine from the software center. I don't understand what else you want me to explain.
[00:04] <fullstack> any ideas?
[00:04] <hggdh> fullstack: (1) wrong ssh public key; (2) invalid ssh public key
[00:06] <hggdh> fullstack: you can find more info if you try ssh -vvv
[00:06] <hggdh> fullstack: another option is you added a different ssh public key, and did not call ssh with -i
[00:07] <fullstack> debug3: Incorrect RSA1 identifier
[00:07] <fullstack> Crazy I can ssh to other places
[00:07] <virgoretti6> xangua what else do you want me to explain? I told you everything I did, everything I'm trying to do, and everything that happened.
[00:07] <canaima> hola
[00:09] <fullstack> debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply
[00:09] <fullstack> Strange it just doesn't like it
[00:10] <amr_> hey
[00:10] <amr_> i con not install metasploit in my elementary
[00:11] <amr_> can any one help me
[00:11] <Bashing-om> !eos | amr_
[00:11] <OerHeks> amr_, both are not supported here, try #elementaryos
[00:13] <virgoretti6> Could anybody here tell me why I'm getting this (http://paste.ubuntu.com/17775585/) error when Itry to install wine from the software center and how I can stop it?
[00:14] <OerHeks> "I lost all of the packages I installed earlier" how did you install wine before?
[00:14] <OerHeks> playonlinux?
[00:16] <virgoretti6> I don't know, somebody sent me a link to a page, and I just ran whatever commands were there.
[00:16] <virgoretti6> OerHeks
[00:16] <karlthane> N538cp#!
[00:16] <virgoretti6> Can I use playonlinux to install wine?
[00:18] <OerHeks> i think you followed this page https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html and easy to find out, what is the output of " ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  "
[00:18] <OerHeks> that should give playonlinux.list
[00:19] <Fizzik> Im having issues with my audio output over headphones, one channel is really quiet other is normal level. could this be because of sound driver?
[00:19] <ayee> Which file do I modify and how to increase my open file descriptor limit?
[00:20] <virgoretti6> I probably don't have it installed right now, but I'll run that.   A package?
[00:26] <reisio> an out-of-ordinary-repos package
[00:27] <OerHeks> in this one a beta package.
[00:27] <xangua> virgoretti6: maybe you shouldn't run "whatever commands were there" if you don't understand what they do, what Ubuntu release are you using?
[00:28] <virgoretti6> xangua Vivid, I checked now.
[00:28] <virgoretti6> OerHeks I don't have ppa-purge. "command not found"
[00:29] <xangua> virgoretti6: download latest Ubuntu from Ubuntu.com and start over, that would be the fast way
[00:29] <xangua> ! Xenial
[00:29] <OerHeks> install ppa-purge and use the command..
[00:29] <xangua> virgoretti6: as you were told, vivid is no longer supported
[00:30] <OerHeks> but vivid would not install anything now, i guess
[00:30] <virgoretti6> OerHeks how can I install it?
[00:31] <DonJuan692006> Howdy folks! I'm trying to get a startup script set to launch my Minecraft server at startup. I'm on 16.04 and have read that Ubuntu moved to using systemd. I'm a Linux novice, so I'm not sure where to start. I know how to configure an init.d script to do it.
[00:31] <paybacc> hello people
[00:32] <OerHeks> virgoretti6, only if you install a supported version, this is the root of your problem
[00:32] <reisio> hi pay
[00:32] <OerHeks> run updates, you see :-)
[00:33] <virgoretti6> OerHeks a supported version of Ubuntu? I had it working before on this version...
[00:34] <xangua> Before when?
[00:34] <virgoretti6> xangua ages ago I don't know
[00:34] <xangua> Because if you just installed vivid, it was already dead since the moment you did
[00:34] <OerHeks>  February 4, 2016
[00:35] <virgoretti6> xangua I didn't
[00:36] <OerHeks> you are still able to download a fresh iso to put on usb
[00:40] <snufft> hi guys!
[00:40] <tatertots> hi snufft
[00:40] <virgoretti6> OerHeks I don't have a usb drive that works.  I don't actually think my hard drive works either. Whenever I try to start my computer without the disc I'm using, I get a weird error and it never starts, and I also can't install the OS, but I do have Chrome installed, so I know that stuffcan install.
[00:44] <tatertots> I keep a keychain usb drive with ubuntu on it because u just never know when it'll come in handy
[00:44] <snufft> i've got a 14.04 machine which turned off last night due to the power cutting off and now it won't boot properly. there was a pending restart to apply updates before the power cut out if that helps. I have two kernel options to boot: 3.13.0-89 and 3.13.0-87. -89 takes me to a black screen with a blinking cursor, or it takes me to a ubuntu loading screen with the 5 pink dots that light up in succession, but it hangs instantly and I have
[00:44] <snufft> the box
[00:46] <Bashing-om> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[00:46] <tatertots> snufft
[00:46] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:46] <snufft> -87 does pretty much the same thing. when I get the black screen with the blinking cursor, I can control + alt + f1 to launch a terminal session and login successfully, with errors about samba not being able to open its password file. I can't start lightdm though
[00:46] <snufft> tatertots: thanks heaps :D
[00:47] <tatertots> no worries
[00:48] <StyxAlso> Hello. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, and my Logitech T650 Touchpad is not being detected, although the Unifying Receiver shows up in lsusb. What should I do to try to fix this?
[00:48] <zproc> snufft: you could try to finish the apt-get upgrade from command-line then from there, it would probably also finish to re install/update Grub
[00:49] <tatertots> StyxAlso is there a button on the device to "pair" it for the lack of a better word...you may have seen this type of button on wireless mice/keyboards?
[00:49] <tatertots> is there a button on this device yes/no?
[00:49] <StyxAlso> tatertots: No
[00:50] <StyxAlso> It used to "just work"
[00:50] <tatertots> any recent hardware/software changes?
[00:50] <tatertots> if it has removable batteries i'm going to assume you tried known good batteries...i hate assuming but eh
[00:51] <StyxAlso> No. And I've charged it fully.
[00:51] <tatertots> does it work when booted to a livecd/liveusb?
[00:53] <virgoretti6> What can I do with playonlinux? It installed, so can I use it to install Wine?
[00:53] <tatertots> I'm assuming you've tried with the RF receiver dongle thing plugged into multiple USB ports also?......again i hate assuming but eh
[00:54] <StyxAlso> tatertots: I'm not sure. I'd rather not reboot right now. I might get back to some other work and try to fix it later. Thanks for your help though :-)
[00:55] <tatertots> no worries mate
[00:55] <snufft> zproc: will give it a shot. just trying the roulette process of getting that black screen again, rather than the hang, lol
[00:57] <virgoretti6> How can I stop holding broken packages?
[00:57] <tatertots> remove the broken packages from your system
[00:58] <tatertots> and if ur still trying to salvage that EOL operating system i suggest just backing up ur data and install a supported operating system
[01:00] <dancingdemon> anyone can help me with the easiest way to set vpn on ubuntu 14.04?
[01:01] <tatertots> vpn client or server?
[01:01] <tatertots> either way open vpn is ur friend
[01:03] <tatertots> your other friend when it comes to vpn is a router with DD-WRT firmware since certain builds of ddwrt have vpn client/server built in
[01:03] <dancingdemon> I just need to run vpn via ssh to access some site.
[01:04] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenVPN
[01:05] <tatertots> that doesn't really tell me if u want vpn client or vpn server but no matter ...see link above
[01:07] <virgoretti6>  tatertots can I remove packages when they're not installed?
[01:08] <tatertots> virgoretti6 i'd suspect if u tried to remove a package that does NOT actually exist on your system u would get an error that says something like "package not found"
[01:10] <virgoretti6> tatertots can a package (wine) be broken when I don't have it installed?
[01:11] <tatertots> virgoretti6 was an attempt made to install this package that failed in some manner?
[01:11] <virgoretti6> tatertots yes
[01:12] <tatertots> Ah then i could see it leaving some crumbs behind that might need to be swept up
[01:13] <tatertots> was the failed installation attempt made with "apt-get"?
[01:14] <virgoretti6> No. I marked Wine for installation in the synaptic package manager, and it immediately appeared to be broken after that.
[01:15] <virgoretti6> It's not installed, though.
[01:16] <virgoretti6> tatertots
[01:17] <tatertots> i'm here
[01:18] <tatertots> if the package doesn't show up in your system at all..i'd try to install wine again if i were in your shoes.....i personally would NOT use the synaptic package manager to do it
[01:19] <virgoretti6> Alright, I'll try again from the Software center.
[01:20] <virgoretti6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17778769/ tatertots
[01:21] <tatertots> ah i se
[01:21] <tatertots> see
[01:22] <virgoretti6> :-)
[01:22] <tatertots> https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[01:23] <virgoretti6> That's the page somebody sent me before!
[01:23] <virgoretti6> :-)
[01:23] <tatertots> the method of installing u tried would have yielded an older version of wine ver 1.6
[01:24] <virgoretti6> Why?
[01:24] <tatertots> try the method listed on the wine site to get a more recent > 1.7 version
[01:25] <virgoretti6> Alright, but why couldn't I get that from the software center?
[01:25] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: You have been told before, this channel does not support EOL releases. Please install Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[01:25] <tatertots> by all means if u want to keep trying synaptic or software center ...go for it...but i personally would NOT do it that way
[01:26] <virgoretti6> tatertots apparently supports it :-)
[01:26] <tatertots> you CAN drive a car with your feet.....i wouldn't suggesting driving with ur feet but it's "do able".....i wouldn't do it
[01:26] <virgoretti6> thank you, tatertots
[01:28] <virgoretti6> tatertots yeah, I understand that, but why would you not do it that way?
[01:28] <tatertots> ur fighting a losing up hill battle if ur running EOL version of ubuntu....ur basically on the titanic metaphorically speaking....jump ship mate ...now...before it sinks lol
[01:29] <virgoretti6> tatertots also, I'm pretty sure you do need to use your hands and feet to drive a car...
[01:29] <tatertots> lol
[01:30] <tatertots> me personally..i wouldn't like having a "legacy" 1.6 version of wine on my box
[01:30] <tatertots> I'd want the newest stable release > 1.7
[01:31] <tatertots> that's just me though
[01:31] <virgoretti6> tatertots I think I would to, but why can't I get that from the software center?
[01:31] <tatertots> because ur EOL and nothing new will ever make it's way to your EOL system
[01:32] <michaelrose> does ubuntu have a chat vs support channel to?
[01:32] <michaelrose> ok could have just joined ubuntu-chat oops nevermind
[01:33] <Bashing-om> michaelrose: Our chat is #ubuntu-offtopic .
[01:33] <michaelrose> thanks
[01:35] <tatertots_> I ordered a ubuntu tshirt today :)
[01:37] <Luximan> hi all, anyone with LXC/Ubuntu1604 experience here? I have a container set up and only lacking the config. to allow running Firefox/X on it. Tons of "documentation"/"tips" online, but have not found a solution that works yet.
[01:37] <virgoretti6> fuck it -_- can I install an os from an sd card?
[01:38] <xangua> If your system supports it
[01:38] <tatertots_> I install ubuntu from SDCARD's all the time....my optical discs would just end up in a land fill somewhere and probably wouldn't bio degrade
[01:39] <virgoretti6> I don't see my disc in my file manager...
[01:39] <tatertots_> ur sdcard isn't showing up in file manager eh?
[01:40] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please watch your language. Yes you can install from an SD card, as long as your boot firmware can boot from an SD card.
[01:40] <virgoretti6> it is, but I'm not sure an os would install from it on my computer
[01:40] <tatertots_> does your sdcard show up in fdisk and or gparted??
[01:40] <virgoretti6> i mean my cd
[01:41] <virgoretti6> my card is showing up in my file manager
[01:41] <tatertots_> well let's pic one of those two "medium" to use to install a supported OS
[01:42] <tatertots_> do u want to install via sdcard/usb or optical disc/dvd/cdrom
[01:42] <tatertots_> i'd use sdcard...let wear and tear on the mechanical motor of your dvd/cdrw drive
[01:43] <tatertots_> less wear and tear
[01:43] <virgoretti6> whatever will work. all that's showing up, though, is my sd card and my usb drive
[01:43] <virgoretti6> one of my usb drives*
[01:44] <tatertots_> cool ...so have you already obtained the ISO file ?
[01:44] <virgoretti6> the other isn't showing up :-/
[01:44] <virgoretti6> no
[01:44] <tatertots_> ah okay
[01:44] <tatertots_> let's head over to ubuntu.com and download a LTS version of ubuntu desktop
[01:44] <virgoretti6> how do I know whether I can install an os from what I'm trying to install it from?
[01:45] <tatertots_> most computer have a boot menu available during POST=power on self test
[01:45] <tatertots_> on DELL computers it's "F11" to reach boot menu during POST
[01:45] <tatertots_> on my HP laptop it's "F9" to reach the boot menu during post
[01:46] <tatertots_> if u look in the corners of your screen during POST you will see the key u need to press for boot menu
[01:46] <virgoretti6> can I check without rebooting? is there info about it somewhere on the internet?
[01:46] <tatertots_> tell me the make and model of your computer and i can probably tell u off the top of my head
[01:46] <tatertots_> DELL or HP?
[01:46] <virgoretti6> acer
[01:46] <tatertots_> home built computer?
[01:47] <virgoretti6> no
[01:47] <tatertots_> hmm acer...darn and i just worked on a acer the other week
[01:47] <tatertots_> do u know the model number ...if not no big deal i'll find it
[01:47] <virgoretti6> no
[01:48] <tatertots_> Acer boot menu is "F2"
[01:48] <tatertots_> you'll press "F2" during POST to enter the boot menu
[01:48] <tatertots_> here you will see all available boot options
[01:48] <Tin_man> on my acer it's function 12
[01:49] <virgoretti6> can I check what I can use to install an os without rebooting?
[01:49] <tatertots_> could be F2 or F12 it's model specific and you don't have enough info about ur own system so no you would have to reboot
[01:49] <Tin_man> but sure it's different for different models
[01:50] <virgoretti6> what info do you need?
[01:50] <tatertots_> to know ur systems boot menu key for %100 certain
[01:50] <tatertots_> make and model #
[01:50] <tatertots_> all u told us was it's an "acer"
[01:50] <virgoretti6> where can I find the model #?
[01:50] <tatertots_> acer made hundreds of different laptops/desktops
[01:51] <Luximan> virgoretti6: to enter the BIOS during boot if there is no indication on which F-key to use on that model, just "hammer" on both F2 + F9 and F10 + F12 multiple times for 5-10 seconds during startup, and if that does not work, whichever fits serves to activate it.
[01:51] <tatertots_> here run this lshw -html > systeminfo.html
[01:51] <Tin_man> might install hardinfo, and get it from that program..
[01:51] <tatertots_> with sudo of course
[01:51] <Luximan> virgoretti6: could be DEL as well, btw
[01:52] <tatertots_> either way you're getting ahead of yourself a bit...u need to download the ISO for a supported ubuntu LTS
[01:52] <tatertots_> then u need to find out what to do with this ISO file once u have it in hand
[01:53] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ why would I do that when I don't even know if it's going to work?
[01:53] <Tin_man> might be good to run hardinfo before downloading an iso, so you know the Ghz, and such..
[01:54] <Tin_man> might need a lighter version than Ubuntu, like lubuntu, or xubuntu
[01:54] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr".
[01:55] <virgoretti6> sudo: efibootmgr: command not found
[01:55] <tatertots_> you're going to have to follow somebody's instructions virgoretti6...unless u wanna go spend a few years studying to become a RHCE red hat certified engineer
[01:55] <virgoretti6> shit. I meant to paste a link
[01:57] <virgoretti6> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17780181/
[01:57] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Then you probably don't have a UEFI based machine, or re at least not booted via UEFI. Either way, running efibootmgr won't be helpful.
[01:58] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please run "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS" and tell us the output. (I'm guessing it will be "BIOS")
[01:58] <tatertots_> would u be willing to let one of us help u via teamviewer....could get u straighten out real quick
[01:59] <Tin_man> later all, hope you get it straightened out.
[02:00] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ yeah, how?
[02:00] <tatertots_> head over to teamviewer.com
[02:00] <tatertots_> click downloads at the top of page
[02:00] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U ucho UEFI gave me "UEFI" and echo BIOS gave me "BIOS"
[02:01] <virgoretti6> echo UEFI*
[02:01] <tatertots_> click linux/ubuntu which has the little cute penguin symbol
[02:02] <tatertots_> run the teamviewer and provide one of use in a private msg the ID#
[02:02] <thetrav> ubuntu 14.04 LTS Server, how do I instruct it to re-load the /etc/network/interfaces config?  To date I've been rebooting, however that's a very slow process for me
[02:02] <tatertots_> it supports voice also so u can ask questions or have dialog during the session
[02:03] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: You need to run exactly what I gave you, all on one line (not including the quotes).
[02:03] <thetrav> I specifically want it to use the /etc/network/interfaces config, rather than use the runtime config tools because I want to test my persistent config
[02:03] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U UEFI
[02:03] <Bashing-om> thetrav: " sudo service network-manager restart ' .
[02:04] <thetrav> thanks bashing-om
[02:04] <Bashing-om> thetrav: :)
[02:04] <tatertots_> just to find out his model number so he can know for certain what "button" to hit during post...
[02:05] <thetrav> Bashing-om: network-manager: unrecognized service
[02:05] <tatertots_> to reach the boot menu of his acer computer....
[02:07] <Jordan_U> tatertots_: We could also use efibootmgr to temporarily change the boot order. I don't have a strong preference one way or the other.
[02:07] <Bashing-om> thetrav: Ouch .. yeah on a server, NM is not installed .. .. try as ' sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup -v eth0 ' where 'ifconfig' to see the interface name ( eth0 ??) .
[02:07] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U I got "UEFI" when I ran that
[02:08] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: I saw that.
[02:08] <thetrav> Bashing-om that will only do it for individual interfaces right?  it won't validate the whole config file
[02:09] <tatertots_> if he knew his own computer model# we could just google it or RTFM =read the manual to find out the key for boot manager on his acer
[02:09] <tatertots_> hay there's an idea
[02:09] <tatertots_> virgoretti6 find the documentation for your computer and read it....it will tell u what key u need to press at boot time
[02:10] <tatertots_> RTFM
[02:10] <tatertots_> don't tell me u object to reading also
[02:11] <snufft> tatertots_: did you want to see this boot repair dump, or were you suggesting I post it? :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/17780450/
[02:12] <nutz> hello
[02:12] <tatertots_> thanks snufft...i'm washing my hands of assisting virgoretti6...my pet peeve is end users that refuse to follow instructions
[02:13] <nutz> whois tatertots
[02:13] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ didn't I aready ask where I could find my model number?
[02:13] <Bashing-om> thetrav: Correct .. will work on that one interface ,, Right off the top of my head .. not comming up the with the init.d instance to start .
[02:15] <tatertots_> teamviewer ID# please ...if not i'm gonna make a pot of coffee brb
[02:16] <ubuntu-mate> hey
[02:16] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ I installed teamviewer, but I don't know where it is...
[02:16] <ubuntu-mate> I need help with my Linux
[02:17] <tatertots_> just type "teamviewer" on command line
[02:18] <ubuntu-mate> Hey
[02:18] <tatertots_> hello ubuntu mate
[02:19] <plop_its_ellie> ubuntu-mate, whats wrong?
[02:19] <tatertots_> aww he left
[02:19] <tatertots_> wth
[02:19] <Kr3L> I need help for configuration at transmission to download archive torrents
[02:20] <plop_its_ellie> Kr3L, configure what exactly?
[02:20] <Kr3L> For download speed the format torrents
[02:21] <Kr3L> My transmission is very slow
[02:21] <Kr3L> Im a noob in this OS
[02:21] <Kr3L> Is my firt time in this distro
[02:22] <plop_its_ellie> Kr3L, the speed is based on your internet connection and how much people are seeding the torrent you are trying to download
[02:22] <plop_its_ellie> it may pick up, it may not
[02:23] <plop_its_ellie> really depends, its not the fault of the OS or the client
[02:23] <virgoretti6> teamviewer apparently never installed, and I'm getting an error when I try to install it.
[02:23] <Kr3L> I know
[02:24] <Kr3L> WHat is best Ubuntu MATE 16.04 LTS our UBuntu 16.04 LTS?
[02:24] <tatertots_> double click the teamviewer file that you downloaded
[02:24] <virgoretti6> "Dependency is not satisfiable: libc6 (>= 2.4)
[02:24] <virgoretti6> that's what I did
[02:24] <Bashing-om> !best | Kr3L
[02:24] <reisio> Kr3L: that'd depend on whether you wanted MATE (GNOME 2 fork) or GNOME 3/Unity out of the box
[02:25] <tatertots_> okay..then on the teamviewer site in the download section u were at...scroll down a bit and under "additional downloads" you'll see "teamviewer quick support"
[02:25] <Kr3L> My UBuntu Mte 16 is inestable
[02:25] <tatertots_> this is a portable, self contained version of teamviewer that does NOT need to be installed only executed
[02:26] <tatertots_> open teamviewer quick support and provide the ID# to myself or anyone else willing to assist u via teamviewer
[02:26] <tatertots_> here i'll see if i can post a direct link
[02:27] <tatertots_> just incase the layout of the website is confusing
[02:27] <tatertots_> got it
[02:27] <tatertots_> https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[02:28] <tatertots_> run that
[02:32] <tatertots_> if u have issues running teamviewer quick support ur right back at needing to reinstall ur operating system...which has been already suggested to u countless times
[02:32] <tatertots_> feels like we went in a circle
[02:32] <Bray90820> Could I install ubuntu x86 or x64 on this device
[02:32] <Bray90820> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gole1-cheapest-windows10-intel-touch-mini-pc#/
[02:34] <cesurasean2> hi everyone
[02:34] <reisio> hi ces
[02:34] <cesurasean2> trusty is the newest ubuntu, correct?
[02:34] <cesurasean2> having trouble with drbd.
[02:34] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ no shit, that's what I'm trying to do
[02:34] <reisio> cesurasean2: nope
[02:35] <cesurasean2> whats the dev version?
[02:35] <cesurasean2> and what is latest stable version?
[02:35] <tatertots_> newest ubuntu    http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[02:35] <reisio> 16.04 is latest stable
[02:35] <reisio> higher than that is "dev"
[02:35] <reisio> s/(stable)/"\1"/
[02:35] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ I'd like to know whether it's going to work before I download anything
[02:36] <cesurasean2> what is name of 16.04?
[02:36] <tatertots_> how are you coming along with teamviewer quick support?
[02:36] <tatertots_> it's a small file
[02:36] <reisio> cesurasean2: the less useful codename?
[02:36] <cesurasean2> yes
[02:36] <reisio> cesurasean2: 'xenial xerus'
[02:36] <cesurasean2> so i can add to apt
[02:36] <cesurasean2> xenial?
[02:37] <reisio> not a lot of things with x-names out there
[02:37] <nutzdawg> hello
[02:37] <reisio> hi nut
[02:38] <cesurasean2> what do i need in my apt sources file?
[02:38] <cesurasean2> XenialXerus?
[02:38] <dm_comp> cesurasean2: Ubuntu 16.04 Xenial Xerus
[02:38] <cesurasean2> or xenial?
[02:38] <cesurasean2> what do i replace trusty with?
[02:38] <cesurasean2> just xenial?
[02:38] <virgoretti6> tatertots_  how can I install it?
[02:39] <tatertots_> https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[02:39] <tatertots_> click it
[02:39] <virgoretti6> i did
[02:39] <tatertots_> did a download start? yes/no?
[02:39] <virgoretti6> i already downloaded it
[02:39] <virgoretti6> how can I install it?
[02:40] <tatertots_> open the file
[02:40] <virgoretti6> with what
[02:40] <tatertots_> it's in /home/virgoretti6/Downloads
[02:41] <virgoretti6> I opened it with the archive manager and got a folder
[02:41] <tatertots_> extract this folder or just go inside that folder
[02:41] <tatertots_> its a gzipped tarball....think of a zip file i the windows 7 world
[02:42] <tatertots_> in the windows 7 world
[02:43] <tatertots_> unzip it to reveal the folder u see or just click the folder and the app will try to unzip "automagically"
[02:43] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ I never really use desktop/laptop computers either way, but I do have a feeling that one with Windows would be much easier to use than this...
[02:44] <plop_its_ellie> whats going on????
[02:44] <tatertots_> did u go into the teamviewer folder?
[02:44] <tatertots_> and or extract teamviewer with that little "extract" button/option
[02:45] <plop_its_ellie> using ubuntu is no harder than using windows or os x, tho if you a swithcing to a whole new platform of course some things will be different
[02:45] <tatertots_> I turned my dad on to linux years ago......big mistake...windows is better for some ppl
[02:46] <tatertots_> my dad is one of those ppl
[02:46] <plop_its_ellie> tatertots_, i can take it from here
[02:46] <plop_its_ellie> whats going on
[02:46] <Blue1> my Mom is 87 and has been using xubuntu for 7 years
[02:46] <plop_its_ellie> I work in a computer repair shop and I switch peole over to linux...
[02:46] <virgoretti6> I got it working
[02:47] <plop_its_ellie> Blue1, exactly
[02:47] <tatertots_> he has downloaded teamviewer quick support via  https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[02:47] <plop_its_ellie> why does he need temviewer?
[02:48] <OerHeks> to upgrade his ancient vivid 15.04
[02:48] <tatertots_> PEBKAC errors on his linux box
[02:48] <plop_its_ellie> do a clean install
[02:48] <plop_its_ellie> PEBKAC errors?
[02:48] <tatertots_> google it
[02:50] <plop_its_ellie> heh nothing
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> but i recommend backing up your data then doing a fresh install
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> no matter what os you are on
[02:51] <tatertots_> he's gun shy to reinstall
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> wgy?
[02:51] <plop_its_ellie> *why
[02:52] <tatertots_> good question plop....beats me
[02:52] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: In the future, if you do decide to stick with Ubuntu, I would recommend that you keep to the long term support releases so that you're less likely to get into this EOL sitution.
[02:53] <plop_its_ellie> also, I recommend just sticking to lts relases in production for better stability and less hassling with upgrades
[02:53] <plop_its_ellie> yea the normal releases only get 9 months support
[02:53] <tatertots_> i was gonna teamviewer with him and help out but that was even a uphill battle
[02:54] <plop_its_ellie> you shoulda just told him to suck it up, do a data backup and upgrade and just use lts releases
[02:55] <plop_its_ellie> but yea i work at a computer repair shop, some users can be quite difficult to deal with...
[02:55] <tatertots_> ppl have been telling him that all day
[02:55] <plop_its_ellie> so i understand
[02:55] <plop_its_ellie> tatertots_, oh
[03:03] <virgoretti6> my computer just froze up, so I rebooted it again. It wiped itself aas always.
[03:03] <virgoretti6> as*
[03:04] <tatertots_> well here's the teamviewer quick support link https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_qs.tar.gz
[03:04] <dr3gs> lolwat
[03:04] <tatertots_> unzip it and run it
[03:06] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Wiped itself?
[03:06] <virgoretti6> yeah
[03:06] <OerHeks> meh, there is a https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.deb too, but i don't trust teamviewer
[03:06] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: What do you mean by "wiped itself"?
[03:07] <virgoretti6> Is this going to let you control my computer or just see what's on my screen?
[03:07] <virgoretti6> It's always as if it's a new os whenever I reboot my computer
[03:07] <dr3gs> weird
[03:08] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Do you enter a password to log in, or does it boot all the way to the desktop without loggin in?
[03:08] <tatertots_> view and if you want the remote person to have control you have to grant it
[03:09] <dr3gs> sounds like its booting from a Live CD still
[03:11] <tatertots_> i offered to teamviewer if u r not going to run it say so, so i can wash my hands already
[03:11] <virgoretti6> Jordan_U shit, nvm. I keep forgetting that something weird happened with my hard drive (I don't  remember what) ages ago and I've been running from the cd without installing the os since then.
[03:11] <OerHeks> ...
[03:11] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ yeah, I've got it running
[03:12] <tatertots_> provide me the ID# via private message please
[03:12] <virgoretti6> OerHeks as I said, I don't remember why I've been doing that, so I'll try to install a new os
[03:12] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ how
[03:13] <tatertots_> you said "i have teamviewer running".........what visual indicator makes u think you have it "running"?
[03:13] <tatertots_> because when u run teamviewer a blue window displays a ID#
[03:13] <virgoretti6> the window titled TeamViewer
[03:13] <virgoretti6> yeah, that
[03:13] <tatertots_> what's the ID#
[03:14] <dr3gs> was i right? lol
[03:14] <Romme> why is Avahi complaining even though my domain is not ".local"?
[03:15] <Romme> i didn't have any domain suffix in the dhcp server and it complained
[03:15] <Romme> i set a domain suffix in hopes the home router has dnsmasq and it still complains
[03:16] <virgoretti6> 567 778 342
[03:16] <virgoretti6> tatertots_
[03:17] <tatertots_> now the PIN#
[03:17] <reisio> don't um
[03:17] <reisio> don't do that :p
[03:17] <reisio> at least not in public
[03:18] <Romme> who cares
[03:18] <virgoretti6> me
[03:18] <OerHeks> if you loose it, this channel is logged
[03:19] <tatertots_> send me the PIN# via private msg
[03:19] <dr3gs> the PIN changes every time right? or not..
[03:20] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ how
[03:20] <reisio> dr3gs: not
[03:20] <tatertots_> it's below the number u sent a second ago
[03:20] <reisio> and even if it did, there's no guarantee as to who would log in first
[03:20] <reisio> moreover, teamviewer pins are super tiny
[03:20] <tatertots_> place ur eyes on the ID# u sent a bit ago...now look downward
[03:21] <reisio> just giving out the number for logging in is a big mistake :p
[03:21] <tatertots_> there is a 4 digit number
[03:21] <virgoretti6> tatertots_ no shit
[03:21] <reisio> right, that's not a lot of combinations
[03:21] <tatertots_> provide me that 4 digit number via private message
[03:21] <OerHeks> no harm will be done on a live-iso, reisio :-D
[03:21] <virgoretti6> I don't know how to pm
[03:21] <tatertots_> oh
[03:21] <virgoretti6> place your eyes on the letter p
[03:21] <tatertots_> u know i've never pm'd here myself
[03:21] <virgoretti6> then on the letter m
[03:22] <OerHeks>  /msg tatertots_ 1234
[03:22] <virgoretti6> oh
[03:22] <tatertots_> ah thanks Oerkeks
[03:22] <tatertots_> the syntax to private msg is /msg username <your msg text>
[03:22] <tatertots_> minux the < and > of course
[03:23] <Jordan_U> virgoretti6: Please be sure to send a test private message before sending the password, to avoid accidentally sending the password to this public channel.
[03:24] <yon> I just made a USB disk using that Windows program to install xubuntu lts, but on boot it gives me some minimal bash-like line editing thing rather than a menu. What do? (I'm on my phone)
[03:24] <dr3gs> make a new USB
[03:24] <dr3gs> use Rufus
[03:25] <yon> What's rufus
[03:25] <plop_its_ellie> https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[03:25] <dr3gs> a windows program that makes usb installers
[03:26] <OerHeks> rufus explained here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[03:26] <winston2k> yon: try typing "live" at the promt
[03:28] <StyxAlso> Okay, perhaps an easier question. How do I use a keyboard shortcut to move a window from one screen to another when I'm using two screens?
[03:29] <Guest90736> hi
[03:29] <Jordan_U> StyxAlso: In many window managers, ctrl+alt+shift+arrow keys.
[03:29] <Guest90736> how to change nickname
[03:30] <Jordan_U> StyxAlso: Sorry, that was for virtual desktops, I think I misunderstood your question.
[03:30] <yon> Type /Nick newnick
[03:30] <Jordan_U> Guest90736: type "/nick new_nick_here" (without the quotes)
[03:30] <StyxAlso> Jordan_U: Doesn't work for me
[03:30] <Guest90736> thanks
[03:30] <StyxAlso> Using the default Ubuntu 16.04 settings.
[03:30] <yon> winston2k: I already cleared the USB drive, but will try if that happens on my second attempt
[03:30] <yon> Thanks
[03:31] <yon> plop_its_ellie: dr3gs: thanks
[03:31] <plop_its_ellie> :)
[03:32] <yon> I was having trouble installing mint on this laptop earlier so I'll probably be a bother for a bit. Sry in advance
[03:33] <alex_z> bye-bye
[03:34] <StyxAlso> Jordan_U: Okay. I have a dual monitor setup.
[03:35] <StyxAlso> I want to move windows from one monitor to the other without having to reach for the mouse.
[03:35] <yon> Ugh I'm getting the same thing and "live" can't be found
[03:35] <Jordan_U> yon: What iso did you download?
[03:36] <tathagata> mint 17.2?
[03:36] <yon> I thought it was xubuntu x64 but let me check
[03:36] <Jordan_U> tathagata: This channel only supports Ubuntu.
[03:37] <yon> Mint uses spotchat. Try #linuxmint-help there
[03:37] <tathagata> no someone had problem installing mint that's what I asked. "which version". sorry
[03:38] <yon> xubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:38] <yon> @Jordan_U:
[03:38] <Jordan_U> yon: Do you see any error messages before being dropped to the grub shell?
[03:38] <yon> None
[03:38] <yon> Not even a menu asking what to boot into
[03:39] <yon> (grub menu)
[03:40] <tathagata> has the installation wizard started?
[03:41] <vincent42> hi all, something is really puzzling me with  cron
[03:41] <yon> Nothing
[03:41] <vincent42> there's this in /etc/crontab :
[03:41] <vincent42> 47 6	* * 7	root	test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly )
[03:41] <vincent42> it should mean that the weekly script run on sunday, but in reality it runs on friday
[03:41] <tathagata> yon: there you will get options "try xubuntu" and "install xubuntu".
[03:42] <yon> tathagata: I know what you been, i've installed Ubuntu lots. I'm just not seeing that at all
[03:42] <yon> *mean
[03:43] <tathagata> yon: it is not booting? right?
[03:43] <yon> Not at all
[03:44] <tathagata> yon: you're using a USB thumb drive burnt using unetbootin?
[03:44] <plop_its_ellie> just use dd
[03:44] <yon> Using rufus
[03:45] <fishcooker> i want to know comparison in byte size pureftpd between vsftp and all dependencies packages.. is it possible to know the both total size required with apt/dpkg?
[03:46] <theorem> curious
[03:47]  * jamesd hmmm this is the 21st century...  TB drives are cheap.. what does a couple MB matter?  use the one that has the features you need.
[03:47] <theorem> any ideas why the ubuntu 16.04 network manager would take a long time to bring the network up ?
[03:48] <theorem> I can see that the network is up from the CLI ... but the network manager in the GUI seems to be blocking things somehow
[03:48] <WhiteNight> Hey guys, I am not able to join Ubuntu OffTopic .. sorry for pasting it here, can someone guide, thanks?
[03:49] <jamesd> theorem: try nslookup   your-ip-address   ; see if its slow...  some network programs do  reverse dns lookups to get your hostname making them slow if reverse dns isn't working
[03:51] <theorem> jamesd: it's very odd.  I see the OS get an IP address from CLI.  I have an app that hits the network as soon as the machine boots to the desktop (Kodi) and it complains that there is no network until the GUI Ubuntu Network Manager says that it has a connection.
[03:51] <theorem> but .. I can clearly see that the box has an IP address and ping things from CLI
[03:51] <theorem> do you have any idea what the "network connections" GUI tool is called ?
[03:52] <theorem> looks like "NetworkManager" ?
[03:52] <tathagata> yon: you try dd. just run "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=64M" first remove the drive replug it format it with gnome disk the without mounting run "sudo fsck /dev/sdb" mount the drive then run "sudo dd if= filename with path of=/dev/sdb bs=16M
[03:53] <tathagata> yon: hope that works
[03:55] <dr3gs> Anybody running Ubuntu MATE?
[03:55] <theorem> jamesd: will try via vnc ...
[03:56] <tathagata> yon: the first command takes time to run (~30-40 min).
[03:59] <michaelrose> does anyone have any experience with voice recognition software in linux?
[04:02] <michaelrose> basically want something that can handle voice to text so that my wife, who has bad arthritus in her hands can talk instead of type
[04:03] <theorem> michaelrose: interesting one.
[04:03] <theorem> michaelrose: that's a tricky one.
[04:03] <theorem> michaelrose: the test-to-speech options of Android might be better. (to be honest)
[04:04] <theorem> you can run Android as a desktop .. but there are some rough edges.
[04:04] <michaelrose> I guess thats a possability but seems very non optimal
[04:04] <theorem> what kind if work does she need to do ?
[04:05] <theorem> web searching ?
[04:05] <theorem> typing ?
[04:05] <theorem> (ie: document creation?)
[04:05] <qaz> When will Ubuntu stop using X?
[04:05] <somsip> !mir | qaz
[04:05] <michaelrose> when they pry it from my cold dead hands
[04:06] <theorem> X is quite good
[04:06] <jamesd> x is quite old, and was written in a time before anyone knew about security. or worried about it.
[04:07] <theorem> jamesd: which is why you secure it through a secure tunnel :)
[04:07] <michaelrose> she mainly uses her web browser, work processor, looks at and saves her photos, occasionally plays games but much less now because her hands hurt
[04:07] <jamesd> theorem: what about on a shared server.
[04:07] <theorem> michaelrose: the chrome web browser has a voice plugin
[04:07] <michaelrose> thats worth checking out
[04:08] <theorem> https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2940021?hl=en
[04:08] <theorem> it hears "Ok Google"
[04:09] <haohao> How to diable CPU parking on the Ubuntu?
[04:09] <theorem> parking ?
[04:09] <haohao> Yes
[04:09] <theorem> what is it
[04:09] <jamesd> help my dual socket server is double parked ;-p
[04:09] <theorem> ?
[04:09] <haohao> http://askubuntu.com/questions/185826/does-ubuntu-support-core-parking
[04:10] <theorem> parked
[04:10] <theorem> hahahaha
[04:10] <theorem> that's called C-states. son.  :)
[04:10] <haohao> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvDVZg6C58&feature=youtu.be
[04:10] <theorem> Linux has had it for ages.
[04:11] <theorem> if you want to juice your box, tweak the BIOS to disable C-states.
[04:11] <theorem> then you're at 100% all the time on all cores.
[04:11] <jamesd> but linux may not force idle cpus to hlt providing best power usage patterns...
[04:12] <theorem> if you want to drive it from the OS, or punch the speed-stepping to go above 100% on some cores, tweak the cpu governors
[04:12] <theorem> jamesd: he wants it off.
[04:12] <qaz> get a 10 core I7
[04:12] <haohao> I instaled Intel CPU driver
[04:12] <michaelrose> optimally I wanted to be able to run a program and have her voice immediately placed in the app as if it was typed, the chrome extension seems to have a few different difficencies
[04:12] <qaz> only 1700 dollars
[04:12] <theorem> michaelrose: there's not one I am aware of that acts as a "keyboard"
[04:12] <michaelrose> one its likely leaking everything you type as its done over the internet
[04:13] <jamesd> qaz: i have a quad core i7, and a dual socket 6x core box.. so i have 12 real cores, or 24 cores with HT  :-)
[04:13] <haohao> What with youtube video?
[04:13] <theorem> jamesd: you have only 12 real cores, don't fool yourself.
[04:13] <haohao> Can I do it in Ubuntu?
[04:13] <theorem> haohao: do what ?
[04:13] <michaelrose> HT != cores
[04:13] <somsip> michaelrose: have a read through this in case it offers somethinghttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility#Voice_Recognition
[04:14] <haohao> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvDVZg6C58&feature=youtu.be
[04:14] <theorem> why am I watching a youtube video ?
[04:14] <jamesd> theorem: depends on the work load most of the time my systems never really push the cpus hard... so it doesn't matter my esxi box actually only has a single 6x core cpu and its never above 30% used...
[04:14] <michaelrose> installing simon
[04:15] <theorem> jamesd: depends how often you're polling it .. I bet it's hitting peaks in there on small timelines.
[04:15] <qaz> maybe zen can drive down cpu prices
[04:15] <bildz> !BIGUPS
[04:15] <haohao> How to install RT?
[04:15] <jamesd> theorem: true.. but over time its rarely above 30%...   using vmware esxi monitoring tools.
[04:15] <reisio> haohao: rt?
[04:15] <haohao> rt kernel
[04:15] <reisio> ah
[04:16] <theorem> haohao: tell me what you're trying to do, I'm not going to sit through a pick apart a windows youtube video
[04:16] <reisio> haohao: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime might get you started
[04:16] <theorem> jamesd: vmware missed a few tricks too monitoring at millisecond granularity .. but I digress.
[04:16] <reisio> haohao: all your really need is to build one and boot it, or find one and boot it
[04:16] <reisio> versions/builds of Linux are pretty much interchangeable with any GNU userland
[04:17] <theorem> real time
[04:17] <theorem> hmm
[04:17] <theorem> real time kernels kinda died when RH quit pushing MRG.
[04:17] <tumtoes> How would you play steam games that don't support linux?
[04:17] <qaz> 4.0 has live patching
[04:18] <haohao> playonlinux
[04:18] <theorem> limited benefit over standard kernels unless you measure in the microseconds.
[04:18] <tumtoes> I'm on a virtual machine right now, just checking out Ubuntu before I make the switch. So I'll be asking some questions
[04:18] <jamesd> the question becomes do you really want Real Time or  just low latency,  RT claim to fame was always responding to things in the same amount of time no matter what the cpu is doing,  where as low latency gives you a faster response most of the time.
[04:18] <reisio> tumtoes: like which games?
[04:19] <theorem> haohao: you want to disable C-states in your BIOS.  then you want to install the cpu governors.
[04:19] <theorem> sudo apt-get install cpufrequtils
[04:19] <theorem> then spelunk through : /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[04:20] <theorem> pick the scaling governor you want.   or set the minimum freq to the maximum.
[04:20] <theorem> verify with /proc/cpuinfo
[04:20] <haohao> I want remove it all
[04:20] <theorem> and compile pcm from Intel to confirm : https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-performance-counter-monitor
[04:20] <theorem> remove what ?
[04:20] <theorem> power management is a good thing.
[04:21] <qaz> ./configure
[04:21] <qaz> make
[04:21] <qaz> make install
[04:21] <haohao> I do not want to overclock the processor
[04:22] <theorem> yes, so ... what are you trying to do again ?  :)
[04:23] <haohao> sudo apt install linux-image-rt
[04:23] <theorem> I don;t think you need a realtime kernel.
[04:24] <haohao> Црн,
[04:24] <haohao> Why?
[04:24] <theorem> you'll get less performance for everyday tasks with a RT kernel.
[04:25] <theorem> the trade off is determinism.
[04:25] <haohao> And for KVM?
[04:25] <theorem> ok, so , this is a KVM host ?
[04:25] <haohao> I installed Ubuntu for  KVM
[04:25] <theorem> KVM is a Red Hat thing.
[04:25] <haohao> cool
[04:26] <haohao> Need RT for KVM or not?
[04:26] <akik> kvm is a linux kernel thing
[04:26] <haohao> And?
[04:26] <reisio> haohao: no
[04:27] <akik> so it's not resticted to red hat
[04:27] <theorem> akik: I guess I'm crossing wires with who has been selling KVM hard.
[04:27] <reisio> I think someonen already mentioned, you don't really need realtime, almost ever, basically
[04:27]  * theorem nods with reisio
[04:27] <rangita> haoaho, i have to ask: what are you actually trying to DO? What is your goal that you think a realtime kernel will help with?
[04:27] <reisio> it's also easy to confuse kvm and qemu
[04:27] <reisio> kvm and qemu don't help things by constantly changing names to/from one another :p
[04:28] <theorem> reisio: I think haohao just wants to "go fast"
[04:28] <theorem> reisio: but I'm not hearing the workload he wants to accelerate ...
[04:28] <reisio> :p
[04:29] <theorem> haohao: different workloads are accelerated differently.  so you tune / optimize for each one separately.
[04:29] <michaelrose> if anyone has used simon is opencv or julius better for recognition?
[04:29] <theorem> haohao: you can very easily make system performance worse
[04:30] <haohao> ok
[04:30] <reisio> michaelrose: voice recognition?
[04:30] <reisio> michaelrose: chances are they all use the same backend
[04:30] <reisio> in which case the differences would only be in how intuitive the GUIs are
[04:30] <qaz> virtualbox is better than wine if you have the ram for it
[04:31] <michaelrose> its a singular gui which can use multiple backends
[04:32] <reisio> a VM will only be "better" (for most games) if you have the specific hardware support
[04:32] <reisio> michaelrose: what is?
[04:32] <theorem> haohao: so if I wanted to optimize for a database, I might optimize disk accesses by touching the size of memory blocks and interrupts for disks - moving them closer to the processes that are operating on the I/O from disks.
[04:33] <theorem> or if there's a lot of inter-process chatter, I would move these processes close to one another to share L1, L2, L3 cache
[04:34] <haohao> ok
[04:34] <haohao> I want dark theme
[04:34] <theorem> if there's a lot of network traffic I would move the interrupts based on the PCIE controller that is handling the traffic and move processes closer to that CPU dedicated to handling the interrupts -- possible disabling MSI-X
[04:34] <theorem> dark theme ?
[04:34]  * theorem chuckles with reisio
[04:34] <rangita> "dark theme"??
[04:34] <theorem> what's that ?
[04:34] <qaz> like in a gui
[04:35] <theorem> hehe
[04:35] <theorem> are we being trolled ?
[04:35] <haohao> Dark theme in Ubuntu like in KDE
[04:35] <reisio> I'm sure you can have whatever it is you want, but trying to have it all this particular moment in time is likely not going to work out
[04:35] <haohao> How to install and what the best?
[04:35] <neil_> I want to put a new partition table on a USB pendrive... using fdisk I have the option of GPT,SGI,DOS or Sun .... which should I use?
[04:35] <qaz> When will ubuntu use RPM?
[04:35] <theorem> haohao: you realize you're talking about the paint on a car and I am describing the inner workings of the engine ?
[04:36] <neil_> qaz probably never
[04:36] <Jordan_U> neil_: I would recommend GPT, and honestly you're probably better off using GParted than fdisk.
[04:36] <haohao> I not want compile kernel by manualy
[04:36] <michaelrose> reisio, its called simon
[04:36] <neil_> Jordan_U, ok
[04:37] <haohao> I can crash Ubuntu
[04:37] <michaelrose> interface is fairly confusing
[04:37] <theorem> haohao: I'll be ignoring you until you can coherently describe your goal.
[04:37] <qaz> cgdisk
[04:37] <qaz> mkfs.ext4
[04:37] <haohao> No cry please
[04:37] <haohao> I installed Ubuntu first time
[04:38] <qaz> use ext4
[04:39] <reisio> I guess sphinx and julius are alternatives
[04:40] <rangita> haohao: you've asked how to install a realtime kernel, which is a very specific thing used to achieve very narrow specific performance goals, then you've switched to asking how to make your GUI look darker, which is entirely separate, so now we're very confused about what you're trying to achieve.
[04:40] <reisio> julius has its own license
[04:40] <reisio> so I'm guessing it's worse
[04:40] <reisio> although if it's from Japan...
[04:40] <reisio> a place where speech recognition would matter more...
[04:40] <haohao> I have a many questions
[04:41] <reisio> haohao: prove it
[04:41] <haohao> Ubuntu Tweak?
[04:41] <theorem> haohao: focus on one at a time and we can help.
[04:41] <neil_> I am having trouble with "startup disk creator"  when using the "Erase Disk" button I get the error message "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_block'"
[04:42] <haohao> You said no need rt ok no need rt
[04:42] <haohao> Now Dark Theme please
[04:42] <theorem> reisio: how far along is btrfs lately ?
[04:42] <qaz> Is there a ubuntu install that comes with cinnamon
[04:42] <theorem> qaz: cinnamon is a wm right ?
[04:42] <sponix> qaz: Yeah --> Linux Mint :)
[04:43] <theorem> that's probably a package....
[04:43] <haohao> Why no DE?
[04:43] <reisio> theorem: farther along than it was?
[04:43] <theorem> reisio: I mean -- is it stable enough to be used in production now ?  any chance of displacing ZFS ?
[04:43] <theorem> or is ZFS on Linux taking steps to displace ?
[04:44] <theorem> I have a soft spot for ZFS on Linux ...
[04:44] <theorem> used ZFS back when it was Sun....
[04:44]  * theorem wipes a tear away
[04:44] <haohao> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file. N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/tualatrix/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found E: Failed to fetch h
[04:44] <neil_> I am using ZFS atm
[04:44] <haohao> How to remove it now?
[04:44] <reisio> theorem: yeah people use it, and it's /certain/ to displace zfs
[04:45] <reisio> because zfs has an intolerable license
[04:45] <theorem> oh, what's the license ?
[04:45] <theorem> (never looked)
[04:45] <reisio> the license is not gpl, mit, apache, or bsd
[04:45] <haohao> sudo remove-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa hey?
[04:45] <reisio> which makes it intolerable
[04:45] <theorem> ah ... well ..
[04:46] <reisio> better licensed software always wins out in the end
[04:46] <theorem> reisio: it appears to be CDDL
[04:46] <reisio> yup
[04:46] <plop_its_ellie> what i dont understand is why zfs cant be shipped with a linux distro but binary blobs on android devices can
[04:46] <plop_its_ellie> which are proprietary
[04:46] <plop_its_ellie> seems like a double standard
[04:47] <theorem> plop_its_ellie: I think zfs can be added with a PPA
[04:47] <reisio> plop_its_ellie: but what now?
[04:47] <neil_> plop_its_ellie, zfs is in the repository as of 16.04
[04:47] <haohao> I have question
[04:47] <theorem> CDDL isn;t too bad ... on reading it, it's not viral.
[04:47] <haohao> How to remove bad ppa and program from it?
[04:47] <reisio> the CDDL is designed to stir crap
[04:47] <plop_its_ellie> neil_, yea i know, but someone said thats its incompatible with linux
[04:47] <plop_its_ellie> as far as licensing goes
[04:48] <neil_> plop_its_ellie, the universe repository if I remember correctly
[04:48] <theorem> reisio: hmm, I have not heard this before.
[04:48] <jamesd> reisio: oh the mozilla public license was designed to stir crap, that is what its based on.
[04:48] <plop_its_ellie> yea, its quite handy having it in the repos
[04:48] <theorem> 'stir crap' ??
[04:48] <plop_its_ellie> reisio, the guy at sun gave a talk, he said they went that route so they can ship binary blobs in solaris
[04:49] <jamesd> CDDL was designed to deal with an issue that Sun had that would of prevented them from opensourcing solaris if they had to use GPL.
[04:49] <reisio> plop_its_ellie: right it was exclusionist
[04:49] <reisio> back when Sun still thought it had a future
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> ...
[04:49] <reisio> jamesd: yup
[04:49] <theorem> jamesd: hmm, isn;t that was BSD is designed to do ? (basically)
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> its all open source
[04:49] <plop_its_ellie> i dont want to sling poop about licenses
[04:50] <plop_its_ellie> poop slinging is nasty anyways
[04:50] <jamesd> plop_its_ellie: at the time, Solaris had code they didnt' have the right to distribute in there source code,  GPL requires all code to be GPL.
[04:50] <theorem> well, I think Oracle's days are numbered.  big databases are sailing away to free ones in a big way and cloud providers are all too happy to help.
[04:50] <abhishek__> any alternatives to spotify on linux? Tired of the bugs :/
[04:50] <theorem> GPL is viral and kinda nasty about it actually.
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> jamesd, yea, i know
[04:51] <theorem> abhishek__: try Pandora
[04:51] <jamesd> theorem: have you checked there sales results...  there cloud bussiness is growing 30-40% quater over qrarter, and 80% year over year and expanding.
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> man too bad grooveshark is gone
[04:51] <neil_> I am having trouble with "startup disk creator"  when using the "Erase Disk" button I get the error message "AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_block'"
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> that site was awesome
[04:51] <reisio> jamesd: presumably he meant as a db business
[04:51] <abhishek__> theorem, does it have linux supported client?
[04:51] <theorem> abhishek__: you just need a browser.
[04:51] <reisio> selling the "cloud" is easy for anybody, because it's nothing at all
[04:51] <plop_its_ellie> there is one called pithos
[04:51] <qaz> java is the most used language in the world
[04:52] <jamesd> reisio: same thing.. they are just renting the software montly instead of selling the software and support yearly.
[04:52] <theorem> reisio: the cloud is just "someone else's hardware".
[04:52] <reisio> qaz: I wonder if that's still as true
[04:52] <reisio> theorem: right, it's not anything we didn't have before we had it
[04:52] <michaelrose> theorem, you mean its viral in that you can't benefit from others work by releasing a closed source fork?
[04:52] <neil_> I use postgresql ... has all the needed features for business.
[04:52] <theorem> jamesd: there is a lot of shadow on the Oracle cloud DB right now ... even the CEO says so -- let me dig up the quote
[04:52] <haohao> Ubuntu will create swap if will need it?
[04:53] <reisio> michaelrose: viral in that gpl software is generally meant to beget only gpl software
[04:53] <plop_its_ellie> haohao, it creates a swap partition at install
[04:53] <reisio> that is, the whole point is to force the software to always be "free"
[04:53] <theorem> michaelrose: meaning that it takes precendence over closed-source works when the GPL and closed source licenses are combined -- ie:  it eats other software.
[04:53] <theorem> or - infects it.
[04:53] <haohao> I not created
[04:54] <jamesd> theorem: note.. Larry Ellison is my bosses, bosses, bosses, boss, yes i'm an employee of the oracle cloud...  we are using and selling tons of Exadata plus ZFS applances....
[04:54] <michaelrose> its impossible for a lincence to be viral it doesn't "infect" the other portion of your code and you are free to replace it with code you have written
[04:54] <haohao> noobslab.com?
[04:54] <theorem> jamesd: interesting.
[04:55] <michaelrose> you just aren't free to keep distributing others code
[04:55] <michaelrose> incidentally simon is horribly unintuitive
[04:55] <theorem> jamesd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FacYAI6DY0
[04:56] <michaelrose> been playing with it feeding it text to train, teaching it words etc for 15 minutes and still don't know how to make it recognize text
[04:56] <michaelrose> recognize speech that is
[04:56] <jamesd> teward: that is 8 years ago... they were still ramping up...  18 datacenter, 30k customers, and 200,000 vms later .. is today.
[04:57] <theorem> jamesd: I just liked hearing the bits towards the end
[04:57] <theorem> jamesd: fun talk about how to pitch it.
[04:57] <jamesd> expecting to hit  300,000 in the next 6 months.
[04:57] <abhishek__> theorem, I am looking for client, which minimizes to system tray.
[04:57] <haohao> Can I to install it? http://www.noobslab.com/2015/09/do-you-like-windows-10-look-but-love.html
[04:58] <theorem> abhishek__: how about a chrome window that minimizes to tray ?  :)  I bet there's a chrome plugin to drive pandora somewhere ...
[04:58] <jamesd> okay i must sleep.. the cloud needs help to stay afloat ;-)
[04:58] <theorem> jamesd: :)
[04:59] <theorem> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/17/oracle_q4_fy16_and_full_fy_results/
[04:59] <abhishek__> theorem, will check thanks. I was though looking for an unofficial spotify client.
[05:00] <theorem> abhishek__: there is a spotify plugin for Kodi that is pretty nice -- their API requires you to be a paying customer though.
[05:00] <abhishek__> theorem, what is kodi?
[05:00] <qaz> is it possible to make linux look like windows
[05:00] <michaelrose> its possible to make linux look like anything
[05:01] <theorem> abhishek__: a media player
[05:01] <michaelrose> you should check out kdelook or gnomelook if you like if you search for the word windows you will find icon and other themes devoted to looking like windows
[05:01] <michaelrose> how exactly you theme stuff depends on what sort of interface you are using
[05:02] <michaelrose> and not all environments are as configurable as others
[05:02] <abhishek__> theorem, oh, looks good but I don't have premium account
[05:02] <michaelrose> but the good news is that you have your pick of quite a few different desktop environments on linux
[05:02] <theorem> abhishek__: yeah - so , the linux client seems to work OK for me, what's happening to yours ?
[05:03] <abhishek__> segfaults
[05:03] <theorem> abhishek__: that's weird -- any idea what triggers it ?  did you report the errors ?
[05:03] <theorem> try running from command line and snagging STDOUT
[05:03] <abhishek__> I searched online seems they have no support, is there an active repo.?
[05:04] <theorem> abhishek__: I grabbed the latest from their site many months ago .. let me see ..
[05:04] <abhishek__> theorem, it's for playing some songs, no idea to what triggers.
[05:04] <theorem> abhishek__:  https://www.spotify.com/us/download/linux/
[05:04] <theorem> have the latest from the repo ?
[05:05] <abhishek__> theorem, I mean some github repo where I can raise a issue. This doesn't inspire hope http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/spotify-linux-no-development
[05:05] <theorem> looks like all help requests are funneled through the community : https://community.spotify.com/
[05:06] <theorem> abhishek__: bummer -- looks like spotify has a web player though.  nearly as good.
[05:07] <theorem> people are tired of installing deployed software
[05:07] <theorem> it's an old gig right now -- web tech is really hot.  so that's where people are leaning towards - browsers to drive everything.  everything JS.
[05:12] <michaelrose> ok so the most recent release of simon is actually from 3 years ago
[05:12] <reisio> frontend
[05:12] <carpediembaby> Hello, can someone help me do an scp from a remote host through a proxy. I connect to the internet through a passwordless proxy. I tried following the example on this link: http://superuser.com/questions/174160/scp-over-a-proxy-with-one-command-from-local-machine but it seems it doesn't work without a password.
[05:12] <michaelrose> and doesn't actually do anything but let you trigger commands by voice it doesn't actually support dictation
[05:13] <michaelrose> there is some work on its src but it makes me wonder if the project is effectively dead
[05:13] <Obongo> i mounted my TrueCrypt partition with zuluCrypt, but I see two enormous files and only one of them is legit, but I'm afraid to delete the other one, don't want to corrupt the first
[05:13] <Obongo> The hard drive is not big enough to contain those two items... One of them is a ghost
[05:14] <Obongo> which came about during some prior mishap. Any way I can know if it's safe to delete?
[05:14] <theorem> carpediembaby: can you establish something like a reverse proxy ?  or can you use something like this ?  : https://daniel.haxx.se/docs/sshproxy.html
[05:15] <carpediembaby> Here is the content of .ssh/config and the output: http://pastebin.com/WURJ0XQy
[05:15] <Obongo> http://pastebin.com/iSU7dS18
[05:15] <theorem> carpediembaby: you want to use the HTTP/HTTPS proxy to establish a connection ?
[05:16] <theorem> the other tool you can use is called "corkscrew"
[05:16] <carpediembaby> theorem: I don't have control (root) over the proxy or the remote host so I doubt that I will be able to open any ports
[05:17] <theorem> carpediembaby: does the remote host has port 443 open ?  or only port 22 ?
[05:17] <theorem> if it's only port 22, you're probably screwed because the proxy is not going to let you connect to that port #
[05:18] <qaz> port 22 is ftp
[05:18] <theorem> this means you need an itermediary box where you can connect to port 443.
[05:18] <carpediembaby> theorem: yes. I am sitting behind a http proxy through which I have access to internet. ssh works just fine So: "ssh rebond -X -o "ProxyCommand=nc -X connect -x <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 %h %p"" works just fine
[05:18] <theorem> 20/21 is FTP
[05:18] <theorem> 22 is SSH
[05:18] <theorem> SCP used SSH.
[05:18] <theorem> *uses
[05:19] <barki_>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-27-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 2 x AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual-Core QL-64 (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.10GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.9GiB, 39.7% free ** Disk: Total: 290.6GiB, 42.4% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV710/M92 [Mobility Radeon HD 4530/4570/545v] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI ** Ethernet: 645 NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet
[05:19] <barki_> PCIe ** Uptime: 1h 3m 10s **
[05:19] <carpediembaby> theorem I don't know which ports are open
[05:19] <haohao> Where can I see deb package thant i installed?
[05:19] <haohao> from ppa
[05:20] <theorem> carpediembaby: oh, then scp should also work if you can ssh -- you may want to open a tunnel with ssh and connect scp to the ssh session if it's working.
[05:20] <theorem> scp would connect to the loopback and a port of your choice.
[05:21] <carpediembaby> theorem, can you point me to some guide?
[05:21] <theorem> http://blog.trackets.com/2014/05/17/ssh-tunnel-local-and-remote-port-forwarding-explained-with-examples.html
[05:22] <theorem> carpediembaby: since scp and the tunnel would double-encrypt the traffic, you may want to consider somethng like rcp instead of scp.
[05:22] <michaelrose> now this looks interesting http://thenerdshow.com/freespeech.html
[05:23] <carpediembaby> theorem, I should use local port forwarding?
[05:24] <theorem> carpediembaby: yes, you want to open a local port with the ssh session
[05:24] <theorem> carpediembaby: your other option is to use a dynamic port , but that's just a generic proxy .. which may or may not be what you need.
[05:25] <theorem> seeing as you just want data from the one host, the local port is probably the most direct, more secure route.
[05:26] <dancingdemon> how to access a blocked site in ubuntu?
[05:26] <dancingdemon> I tried tor and it worked fine but so slow
[05:27] <theorem> dancingdemon: that's a very wide question.  how is it blocked ?
[05:27] <theorem> first question -- which DNS are you using and is it at home or work ?
[05:28] <dancingdemon> i think the site is blocking my subnet..or some routing issue.
[05:28] <dancingdemon> It's a dedicated server that I own :)
[05:28] <theorem> error message ?
[05:29] <dancingdemon> i try to access the site using chrome in my vnc client but it won't even load
[05:29] <theorem> port open ?
[05:29] <theorem> try telnet
[05:29] <theorem> to port 80
[05:29] <dancingdemon> may I know how to do this?
[05:30] <theorem> telnet www.site.com 80
[05:30] <carpediembaby> theorem, so I should do: ssh -L 9000:localhost:443<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-o "ProxyCommand=nc -X connect -x <IP_ADDRESS>:8080 %h %p" ? It gets connected, to the remote host.. now what?
[05:30] <dancingdemon> i did the command and it says trying 79.143.xxx.x...
[05:30] <dancingdemon> waiting but nothing came so far
[05:30] <theorem> carpediembaby: you don't need to specify port 443, that's the other side of the connection.  you actually probably want 443 to be 22
[05:31] <theorem> carpediembaby: once connected scp using port 9000 on localhost for the file you want on the remote side.  I might send a file first.
[05:31] <dancingdemon> when i write tracepath www.site.come, I get this
[05:31] <dancingdemon> dancingdemon> 29:  no reply
 30:  no reply
      Too many hops: pmtu 1500
      Resume: pmtu 1500
[05:32] <dancingdemon> till now it says trying and nothing else showing .
[05:32] <theorem> dancingdemon: what did telnet do ?
[05:32] <dancingdemon> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out
[05:32] <dancingdemon> dancingdemon@localhost:~$
[05:33] <theorem> dancingdemon: ok, so the TCP conenction can;t be established because your box can;t see the host, or the host can;t respond back properly.
[05:33] <theorem> dancingdemon: looks like a routing issue.
[05:33] <dancingdemon> http://prntscr.com/bkbuqb
[05:33] <dancingdemon> yup.
[05:33] <dancingdemon> what to do in that case?
[05:33] <theorem> ok, so, first -- look at your routing table
[05:33] <dancingdemon> how to do this?
[05:33] <theorem> route show
[05:34] <theorem> er
[05:34] <theorem> just 'route'
[05:34] <dancingdemon> okay
[05:34] <dancingdemon> you want me to paste this in pastebin ?
[05:34] <theorem> sure
[05:34] <theorem> what path does the routing table say the packets should take to that host ?
[05:35] <dancingdemon> http://pastebin.com/iEgBfNFQ
[05:35] <theorem> ok, so is gateway really a router ?  your router ?
[05:35] <theorem> for "default"
[05:36] <dancingdemon> I have no clue tbh. It's a dedicated server that I bought from eqserver.nl
[05:36] <carpediembaby> theorem, I get a connection refused error: ssh: connect to host localhost port 9000: Connection refused, i used: scp -r -P 9000 localhost:~/tmp/20160624_02h12_all_clinks_no_disambig_comp_99999_cat_0/ ./
[05:36] <dancingdemon> it's not my router :) , the IP address is from NL from leaseweb
[05:37] <theorem> carpediembaby: did ssh open a listne port on port 9000 ?
[05:37] <theorem> (netstat -na | grep 9000 )
[05:38] <theorem> dancingdemon: tough one -- traffic is getting lost somewhere. you need to examine the routes on both the hosts on either side
[05:38] <theorem> dancingdemon: then compare where the traceroute diverges -- that's the problem host.
[05:39] <theorem> worst case --  capture traffic with tcpdump and go packet-by-packet.  wireshark may be easier to use.
[05:39] <dancingdemon> so there is nothing that can be done from my side for now..
[05:39] <theorem> dancingdemon: unless you changed the routing tables, it looks like a bad route somewhere
[05:39] <theorem> dancingdemon: look at the names of hosts in the traceroute - see if there is a loop.
[05:39] <carpediembaby> theorem, sorry. I had disconnected the proxy. But I get authentification error on local machine now. Here is what I did: http://pastebin.com/4HVPAv4U
[05:40] <dancingdemon>  I never changed anything in the touting tables. how to look in the names of the hosts in the traceroute?
[05:40] <neil_> The "Startup disk creator" does not create a working booting USB pendrive ... it drops into initramfs
[05:41] <theorem> carpediembaby: you want to use your login on the remote host, not the local host for scp
[05:41] <theorem> what is your remote username ?
[05:42] <carpediembaby> theorem, Ah okay! got it. Thanks!!
[05:42] <dancingdemon> This is what the staff there says : I have checked the availability of the website xxx.com from our test server, which is accessible but not from your server. May I know have you tried to reinstall the service for downloading the music from the site?
[05:42] <theorem> carpediembaby: works ?
[05:42] <carpediembaby> yes it does
[05:42] <theorem> fantastic :)
[05:42] <carpediembaby> thank you!
[05:42] <theorem> enjoy
[05:43] <theorem> dancingdemon: show me the traceroute from one host to the other , from both sides if you can
[05:43] <dancingdemon> may i know how to do that theorem ?
[05:43] <theorem> I will need to see real IPs -- so put it on pastebin, but expire it in an hour or something if you're concerneed about sharing the info
[05:43] <dancingdemon> ok ok
[05:44] <dancingdemon> just give me the CL and I will paste it all
[05:44] <theorem> dancingdemon: traceroute remote.ip.addr
[05:44] <dancingdemon> remote.ip.address is the site ip address, correct?
[05:44] <michaelrose> ok speech recognition in linux is really really horrible
[05:44] <theorem> yes
[05:44] <reisio> it's pretty bad most places
[05:44] <theorem> michaelrose: I thought that might be the case :-/
[05:44] <reisio> except my old razr phone was great
[05:44] <theorem> reisio: I think that only made phone calls though ..
[05:45] <theorem> :)
[05:45] <michaelrose> dragon naturally speaking is pretty good it might actually be worth running a really old version of that lol
[05:45] <dancingdemon> No command 'traceoute' found, did you mean:
[05:45] <dancingdemon>   Command 'traceroute' from package 'traceroute' (universe)
[05:45] <theorem> yes traceroute
[05:45] <dancingdemon> should i sudo apt-get install traceroute ?
[05:45] <theorem> yes
[05:46] <guest-Be34Bz> hi
[05:48] <dancingdemon> done :)
[05:48] <theorem> no more thunderbolt kiddies ...  http://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/23/apple-discontinues-thunderbolt-display/
[05:49] <reisio> theorem: rofl
[05:49] <reisio> they must've found out that other people could influence it :p
[05:51] <theorem> dancingdemon: ok, so where does it diverge ?
[05:52] <dancingdemon> I have no idea but thats what I get...
[05:52] <dancingdemon> the website won't load for some weird reasons..
[05:52] <tatertots_> plop u around
[05:52] <tatertots_> ?
[05:53] <theorem> dancingdemon: can you paste it somewhere ?
[05:53] <dancingdemon> paste what man?
[05:53] <dancingdemon> yeah sure, the pastebin that I sent you?
[05:53] <theorem> the output from traceroute
[05:53] <dancingdemon> of course
[05:53] <theorem> oh
[05:53] <theorem> I didn't see the msg
[05:53] <dancingdemon> hehe :) it's alright
[05:54] <theorem> dancingdemon: ok, that's one side -- what about the other ?
[05:55] <Secret-Fire_> i cant stop my xubuntu 16.04 from hibernating
[05:55] <Secret-Fire_> ive tried power settings
[05:55] <dancingdemon> may I know how to see the other?
[05:55] <dancingdemon> i wrote traceroute site_ip_address
[05:56] <theorem> dancingdemon: can you login to the other side somehow ?
[05:56] <dancingdemon> nope.. the website won't even load
[05:56] <theorem> and run a traceroute ?
[05:56] <dancingdemon> like to log in from another server?
[05:57] <theorem> from the destination you are trying to reach
[05:57] <theorem> ?
[05:57] <dancingdemon> I can't access the site from this server at all even when I try to use my windows vnc client. All websites would load but not that one.
[05:57] <dancingdemon> I can access it from home but not from this server like I can't view it. I'm sorry but is that what you mean?
[05:58] <theorem> ok I hear 3 boxes
[05:58] <theorem> 1: home , 2: server 3: webserver
[05:58] <theorem> server 2 can't get to 3 ?
[05:59] <dancingdemon> yeah i guess..Like I have one dedicated server only running ubuntu 14.04 and my computer windows 8.
[05:59] <theorem> 3 boxes or 2 ?
[05:59] <dancingdemon> I use a vnc client to access my server + ssh using terminal
[05:59] <dancingdemon> 2
[06:00] <theorem> ok, so ...
[06:00] <theorem> the problem is that from the server (host 2) you can;t access the local webserver ?
[06:00] <michaelrose> dragon seems to be like 99% functional in wine as far as basic dictation, they should do the extra work for it to be fully functional bundled with a fixed version of wine and sell it as a supported option
[06:01] <dancingdemon> yes the server 2 can't load the website.
[06:01] <somsip> !winehq | michaelrose (maybe more info here to help)
[06:01] <tatertots_> welcome back virgoretti6
[06:01] <michaelrose> I know about winehq
[06:01] <lapion> Hello
[06:01] <somsip> michaelrose: then that would be the place to make wine-related suggestions
[06:01] <neil_> dancingdemon, theorem, have you checked the ip/masks and does ping work?
[06:02] <lapion> The autoconnect for the network manager cannot do dhcp
[06:02] <dancingdemon> when i wrote the ping command, ping site ip i get this:
[06:02] <theorem> neil_: I think he is accessing a local server.  however the local server has a load balancer or something in front of it .. so he needs to use the local IP when accessing the WWW server *from* the server itself.
[06:02] <cooldharma06> hi all
[06:03] <dancingdemon> http://pastebin.com/cha528Zt
[06:03] <cooldharma06> i am facing "Failed to start session " when login via GUI. but terminal works fine
[06:03] <cooldharma06> any suggestions
[06:04] <dancingdemon> that's the ping command output ^
[06:04] <lapion> http://pastebin.com/XrMKdNfR
[06:05] <Secret-Fire_> how can i prevent 16.04 from hibernating after inactivity, I have tried turning it off in power settings
[06:05] <theorem> dancingdemon: have to heard out
[06:05] <theorem> *head
[06:06] <lapion> The dhcp problem is for all networkmanager managed devices
[06:06] <dancingdemon> its alright, thanks a million
[06:06] <theorem> thanks
[06:06] <theorem> gtg
[06:06] <dancingdemon> any idea neil ?
[06:11] <qaz> remember the good old days of linux
[06:12] <reisio> nope
[06:12] <tatertots_> linux keeps get'n better
[06:12] <tatertots_> i remember 10 years ago when i was running ubuntu 7.04
[06:13] <qaz> I started using linux around ubuntu 10.04
[06:13] <tatertots_> had to do a lot more things manually by hand than now days
[06:13] <neil_> tatertots_, qaz, me at 6.04
[06:14] <tatertots_> neil's an old hat ubuntu user i see
[06:17] <wheelie207> Ubuntu wasn't around when I used linux
[06:19] <neil_> wheelie207, when was that
[06:19] <wheelie207> 91/92
[06:21] <wheelie207> I first had unix and then the linux I got was on 4 floppies and installed it on my 10 meg HD.
[06:23] <wheelie207> but i preferr the terminal for all my commands then as there wasn't really a gui.
[06:24] <neil_> I started out with a Sinclair ZX80 --- z80 cpu 1kB of ram ... it was a long time before I got into Linux
[06:25] <wheelie207> I had a Z80 at first and not much ram then.
[06:25] <wheelie207> then I had a kaypro
[06:26] <neil_> wheelie207, when 16kB of ram was a big deal.
[06:26] <wheelie207> Then I had built a 8081 MB with 10 meg HD for my linux
[06:27] <wheelie207> I mean 8086
[06:28] <neil_> My first HDD was 20MB for an Amiga 500
[06:29] <wheelie207> I couldn't afford the amiga then
[06:30] <int-main> Can I get some help regarding urxvt?
[06:30] <lapion> Hello is there anyone who can help me with problems with the network manager ?
[06:31] <lapion> I get the following output when I try to connect to the ethernet same problem goes for any wifi http://pastebin.com/iEvpSXiF
[06:32] <neil_> lapion, looks like you don't have a DHCP server
[06:33] <wheelie207> neil, beleive it or not but I still use the old bnc connectors
[06:33] <lapion> neil manually running sudo dhclient works just fine..
[06:34] <neil_> wheelie207, I designed and wrote the program for a 10mbit ethernet card for the Amiga computers... BNC connectors and all ... It a pain when 1 connector fails, the whole network fails.
[06:35] <lapion> neil_, see above
[06:35] <wheelie207> that's for sure.
[06:36] <tatertots_> lapion does your computer exhibit the same behavior when booted to livecd/live usb?
[06:36] <tatertots_> any recent hardware/software changes?
[06:36] <lapion> tatertots_, it's a upgraded-ubuntu-only problem
[06:37] <tatertots_> ah ok
[06:37] <neil_> lapion, have you tried an apt-get update etc again.
[06:40] <Secret-Fire_> how can i prevent 16.04 from hibernating after inactivity, I have tried turning it off in power settings
[06:41] <lapion> neil_, the only updates available that could make a difference are: liblightdm-gobject-1-0 liblightdm-qt-3-0 lightdm
[06:42] <lapion> neil_, and I had updated everything since the upgrade..
[06:42] <lapion> btw it is a lts to lts upgrade
[06:43] <lapion> tatertots_, dhcp only works if user sudos it
[06:46] <neil_> lapion, I can only suggest an ... apt-get remove network-manager ... apt-get install network-manager ... it is a stab in the dark thou.
[06:49] <wheelie207> I think he may find that it's not just a network manager and it could be something easily overlooked. because it happen to me back in the mid 90's
[06:49] <wheelie207> But I don't remember what it was now.
[06:53] <lapion> wheelie207, the problem is for every networking device however manually doing "sudo dhclient" works fine however without sudo dhclient doesn't work
[06:54] <wheelie207> That is very strange
[06:55] <wheelie207> how many devices on the network
[06:55] <Nakata> Where Firewall in Ubuntu?
[06:56] <ducasse> lapion: you could try to reinstall isc-dhcp-client.
[06:56] <neil_> Nakata, ufw handles the firewall by default... it used iptables
[06:57] <Nakata> I want like "Windows Firewall Control" or "Tiny Firewall"
[06:58] <ikonia> !ufw | nomic
[06:58] <ikonia> ops
[06:58] <ikonia> !ufw | Nakata
[06:58] <nomic> ?
[06:58] <ikonia> nomic: apologies, typo
[06:58] <nomic> ok
[06:59] <Nakata> I want Firewall for programms with GUI
[06:59] <lapion> ducasse, I am reinstalling all nm and networking packages.. forgot dhcp/dhclient etc etc
[06:59] <Nakata> ANd not ports
[06:59] <wheelie207> lapion, that would do it
[07:00] <ikonia> Nilesh_: yes, ufw is a gui
[07:00] <Tin_man> by default the firewall is off. there is a gui interface for the ufw, but not at my ubuntu machine now, have to search for it in software center
[07:02] <Tin_man> http://linuxbsdos.com/2011/07/22/3-graphical-clients-for-managing-the-uncomplicated-firewall/
[07:02] <Nakata> Gufw can block only Firefox for example?
[07:02] <ducasse> Nakata: no.
[07:02] <Nakata> I need it
[07:02] <sumi> hello
[07:05] <Nakata> How to block only those programs that I want?
[07:05] <ducasse> Nakata: i guess apparmor could do it.
[07:06] <Tin_man> you'll have to read up on it Nakata.
[07:06] <Nakata> AppArmor have GUI?
[07:06] <ducasse> Nakata: no.
[07:06] <Nakata> And what firewall with GUI and can block programs?
[07:07] <ducasse> Nakata: none.
[07:07] <Nakata>  How do you live without it?
[07:07] <wheelie207> nakata, you need to learn how to use commands in a terminal window
[07:07] <Nakata> it's horrible
[07:08] <ducasse> Nakata: linux is not windows. many programs ship with appamor profiles.
[07:08] <wheelie207> that's the best part of linux
[07:08] <ikonia> you don't need to learn commands
[07:08] <ikonia> the gui is just fine
[07:09] <lapion> did not help
[07:09] <wheelie207> but not everything has a GUI
[07:09] <ikonia> most common desktop use cases have a gui
[07:10] <wheelie207> I guess I'm just use to using terminal since 91/92
[07:10] <ikonia> bully for you
[07:10] <wheelie207> :)
[07:13] <Nakata> And SeLinux can do it?
[07:14] <ikonia> Nakata: not really
[07:14] <ikonia> thats not how selinux works
[07:14] <ikonia> selinux can block a program, but only by it breaking / voiding policy restrictions
[07:14] <wheelie207> I would choose apparmor over selinux
[07:15] <ikonia> Nakata: you're best bet in a real world situation is to use a firewall with the correct rules that can be managed easy with a gui
[07:22] <wheelie207> Nakata, on the ubuntu software there is a Gui firewall call gufw
[07:22] <Nakata> I need firewall for programms
[07:22] <Nakata> not for ports
[07:23] <wheelie207> ok
[07:23] <ducasse> Nakata: if you tell us what you are trying to achieve we would be better able to help you.
[07:24] <Nakata> Yes I need Windows Firewall Control or Tiny Firewall on Linux
[07:25] <Nakata> bye
[07:26] <wheelie207> I don't think he understands linux
[07:31] <ducasse> does the 16.04 desktop installer create a separate /boot if / is encrypted?
[07:31] <thekro> hi. my machine boots to a terminal login, then the login screen disappears and is replaced by a blinking cursor.  I can't then access the virtual terminals.  anyone willing to help me troubleshoot?
[07:32] <ikonia> ducasse: it should do, or it won't be able to boot
[07:32] <ducasse> ikonia: i thought grub could now boot from encrypted disks?
[07:32] <meet> Is there any way we go back to a fresh install without really going through installation process again
[07:33] <meet> I've messed up my system.. And I wanna start from scratch again
[07:33] <ikonia> ducasse: maybe, I don't think it can, but I'm not certain
[07:33] <ikonia> ducasse: I'd much rather have a non-encypted boot anyway
[07:33] <ikonia> (personally)
[07:33] <wheelie207> just do a re-install
[07:34] <ducasse> ikonia: i agree with that, i was just curious. i'll look into it some more.
[07:35] <meet> Can I create a snapshot of my system and revert back to it when and where required?  It stopped at 133 MB. COunt of the laptops hdd is 0 kb...
[07:49] <lerner> what do I do? leave it copy?
[07:50] <thekro> wheelie207: usually it's a gui environment, yes
[07:50] <thekro> but currently just a terminal will be a great help
[07:51] <thekro> (I had terminal access because of gui problems with nvidia/cuda, then a suspend failed to resume, then when i powered off and on again, I got this problem)
[07:51] <wheelie207> thekro, if you have a cursor then you can type in the commands. it sounds like you are in terminal
[07:51] <thekro> erm, no, just a blinking cursor in the top left of an otherwise blank screen
[07:52] <thekro> i have not logged in since booting, the login prompt on the terminal disappears before I can type on it
[07:52] <wheelie207> oh, I gotcha now
[07:52] <thekro> when I press the power button to shut down, the shutdown process text appears successfully on the screen
[07:52] <TheSuperGeek> hi
[07:53] <wheelie207> unsure how I can give an answer to that type of problem.
[07:54] <thekro> wheelie207: any ideas on things to try?
[07:54] <trijntje> thekro: try starting via the recovery mode
[07:54] <thekro> trijntje: will give it a shot, haven't bothered until now, because not sure what I'd do with it if it works..
[07:55] <trijntje> thekro: start like that all the time, I have to do the same because I have a very recent video card ;)
[07:55] <thekro> trijntje: fair enough
[07:55] <ulju> thekro: try the recovery mode, press shift at bootup for grub 1.5 or escape for grub 2
[07:57] <thekro> recovery menu: what should I pick?
[07:59] <ulju> thekro: there should be something like "root" so you will get a shell with root access and you can try reinstall grafx drivers, i think it was grafx related? you said something about nvidia/cuda
[07:59] <thekro> tried "enable networking", which did some stuff, then hung and didn't return me to the menu or give me a prompt.
[08:00] <trijntje> thekro: reboot, and then next time try 'resume' first
[08:03] <thekro> trijntje: recovery mode+resume=same symptoms.
[08:04] <ulju> thekro: do you have something like "failsafeX" in the recovery menu, try that
[08:04] <odroid> hi
[08:05] <thekro> ulju: failsafeX -> same symptoms
[08:06] <thekro> actually, with failsafeX, just pressing the power button does not cause a shutdown; instead I must hard shutdown by holding in the power button
[08:07] <k-joseph> hi guys, looks like; the ip address i get on terminal is different from the public ip address i get from http://ipinfo.io/ip wondering how to instead retrieve this public ip known to google detected based on my internet connection
[08:08] <ducasse> thekro: if you just try to open a root shell, will that work?
[08:08] <thekro> k-joseph: might be that the ip on the terminal is your ip behind your home router, while the internet one is the one of your home router?
[08:08] <thekro> ok, managed to log into gui at very low resolution by booting an old kernel?
[08:08] <somsip> k-joseph:  try "dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com"
[08:09] <k-joseph> thekro: makes sense, i want to instead get the later/internet ip
[08:10] <ulju> thekro: was it just a problem by resuming the computer, or did you any install of packages before your actual problem? if it is a package problem i would recommend try the "root" option in the recovery menu and get your filesystem read-write with "mount -o remount,rw /" than you are able to do a fsck or apt-get remove nvidia packages, for example
[08:10] <xfceone> convert .3pg to mp4 with avconv but the video image is overturned
[08:10] <k-joseph> somsip: is there any local way to get this without invoking into remote servers!
[08:11] <somsip> k-joseph: not that I know of. You need to send a packet out of your network to find what address that packet is "wrapped" in as a return
[08:11] <thekro> ulju: well, the graphics weren't working before the suspend/resume issue already.
[08:11] <somsip> k-joseph: but I suppose you could find a way to query your router
[08:11] <thekro> still, it seems I have a backup plan for now, and can investigate going in via root later
[08:11] <thekro> thanks for the time and suggestions!
[08:12] <k-joseph> somsip: am using a modem connection instead
[08:12] <xfceone> what is the command with avconv to right video? not overturned?
[08:12] <somsip> k-joseph: first answer still applies
[08:12] <ulju> thekro: you are welcome
[08:14] <ducasse> k-joseph: try upnp-router-control
[08:23] <goenta> Hi, I'd like to know about R packages or alternative software that can produce charts like this, where I can produce multiple graphs and interaction with one graph affects the other graphs: http://cbio.mines-paristech.fr/~thocking/WorldBank-facets/ This is produced with the R package animint
[08:23] <somsip> !alis | goenta (you probably need to ask in the r channel)
[08:24] <goenta> Thanks, I've asked in the R channel but am interested in any software packages that are capable of these interactive charts
[08:24] <goenta> Including any that aren't dependent on R
[08:38] <unknown__> :)
[08:39] <unknown__> zzzzzz
[08:40] <neil_> Hi I am installing ZFS using this howto .. https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS .. when doing the "modprobe efivars" I get two errors the last on is "modprobe: FATAL: Module efivars not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-21-generic"
[08:41] <unknown__> hi
[08:50] <mote> Can i use decimal number on syndaemon? Like "syndaemon -i 1.5 -d". Do i use comma or period "," or "." ?
[09:01] <mote> Can i use decimal number on syndaemon? Like "syndaemon -i 1.5 -d". Do i use comma or period "," or "." ?
[09:06] <ducasse> mote: doesn't look like it from the man page, i suggest you just try.
[09:09] <mote> ducasse: it doesn't fail, but i would like to know if it does it or not. it's rally hard to tell if if rounding the number 1,5 to 1 or to
[09:11] <mote> ducasse: also does the world mostly use comma or period for fractions. Here in DK we use comma, USA uses period
[09:11] <Triffid_Hunter> mote: most of the world uses period afaik, only weird european countries swap comma and period
[09:12] <ducasse> mote: see if there's a difference between 1.1 and 1.9?
[09:12] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: I kinda thought it only was USA that used period and metrix was comma
[09:12] <mote> ducasse: good point!
[09:13] <C_minus> I'm perusing the CUDA toolkit installation instructions. I don't know what the folllowing means exactly. I'm not really up on networking stuff... "When using a proxy server with aptitude, ensure that  wget  is set up to use the same proxy settings before installing the cuda-repo package."
[09:14] <k1l_> do you use a proxy?
[09:14] <Triffid_Hunter> mote: http://i.imgur.com/MhpF1lA.png
[09:14] <C_minus> k1l Not to my knowledge. This is for people who connect to the internet via some kind of intermediary server?
[09:15] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: Comma for win!  :-)
[09:15] <k1l_> yes. so you dont need to worry about proxy settings.
[09:16] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: I guess the command line want's period though. ;-)
[09:16] <C_minus> Also, what is the best practice way of perminantly setting environment variables? In the guide they just provide "export..." commands. I have previously appended them to my .profile file, but this requires logging out and in again.
[09:17] <ducasse> C_minus: no, just source the file.
[09:17] <C_minus> ducasse I don't know what you mean by that
[09:17] <Triffid_Hunter> mote: the english speaking world seems to be predominantly period fwiw :P
[09:17] <neil_> Hi I am installing ZFS using this howto .. https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-16.04-Root-on-ZFS .. when doing the "modprobe efivars" I get two errors the last on is "modprobe: FATAL: Module efivars not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0-21-generic"
[09:17] <ducasse> C_minus: 'source ~/.profile'
[09:17] <k1l_> C_minus: export for one time. .profile for permanantly.
[09:18] <mote> Triffid_Hunter: Yes, and EU's not going to change that now.  ;-)  Thanks for the help.
[09:18] <Bray90820> Can ubuntu x86 and or x64 run on the Cherry Trail Z8300
[09:19] <virgoretti6> where can I get help with getting the password off my boot menu?
[09:20] <C_minus> So I'm using a fresh install of Ubuntu right now. "Additional Drivers" says I'm using "X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver". Should I switch this over to the Nvidia propietery tested driver? Help from any CUDA users would be much appreciated.
[09:20] <notadeveloper> bing or google it
[09:20] <ducasse> virgoretti6: 'boot menu' - do you mean grub or bios?
[09:21] <virgoretti6> bios
[09:21] <ducasse> virgoretti6: read the manual for your machine or motherboard.
[09:22] <virgoretti6> i don't have that
[09:22] <ducasse> virgoretti6: well, do a search. it has nothing to do with ubuntu.
[09:29] <Snowie> Howdy all. Where would be the best place to report a broken snap. installed freecad as a snap, and there is no gui or cli option available to start it. hello-snap application as a test seems to work fine.
[09:30] <bazhang> Snowie, did you try #snappy
[09:30] <Snowie> bazhang: hey, thanks, didn't realise there was a dedicated channel, will try there. just testing now if apt install produces a working version to make sure im not wasting time.
[09:32] <tatertots_> hi
[09:32] <Drzacek> Hello. How can I upgrade to newest ubuntu from ubuntu 14.something?
[09:32] <Ben64> whats the something
[09:33] <Drzacek> Linux ubuntu 3.19.0-33-generic #38~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:17:28 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:33] <Ben64> the supported way is to wait until July, when the upgrade is prompted
[09:34] <k1l_> !ltsupgrade | Drzacek
[09:34] <Drzacek> lol, why so funny? I can download new version now
[09:34] <Drzacek> were there no ubuntu 15?
[09:35] <Ben64> there was 15.04 and 15.10. 15.04 has reached it's end of life already, 15.10 will do so in July
[09:35] <Drzacek> okay, I can wait, upgrade to newest system is not that importat. I need gcc5 - now I have 4.8. What can I do
[09:37] <lapion> so it's definitively a user rights problem
[09:38] <ducasse> Drzacek: you can force the upgrade at your own risk or reinstall 16.04 from scratch.
[09:38] <lapion> if I create a profile with a fixed ip address network manager connects fine
[09:38] <Drzacek> ducasse, no other way for gcc5.3.1?
[09:39] <lapion> it's only if the connection set to dhcp that the connection cannot connect
[09:39] <lapion> hi tatertots_,
[09:39] <k1l_> Drzacek: you can upgrade now with the -d developer switch.
[09:39] <tatertots_> hi lapion
[09:40] <k1l_> Drzacek: changing the gcc version is quite heavy change to a system. so i would not do that manually
[09:40] <Drzacek> too late, doing it now
[09:42] <lapion> tatertots_, the problem is definitively related to the right do dhcp by the network manager
[09:43] <tatertots_> hmm interesting
[09:44] <tatertots_> i'd be curious if the problem persists after removing then reinstalling "nm"
[09:45] <tatertots_> I think i still have ur pastbin logs in one of my tabs
[09:45] <tatertots_> was looking into it earlier
[09:45] <tatertots_> yep
[09:45] <tatertots_> failed (reason 'ip-config-unavailable
[09:46] <ikonia> lapion: what do the logs show when network manager does a dhcp broadcast
[09:47] <the_gblx> hello
[09:52] <juanonymous> !info bittorent
[09:52] <juanonymous> !info utorrent
[09:53] <justme_> anyone able to answer a question i have?
[09:54] <tatertots_> just ask
[09:54] <tatertots_> your question
[09:54] <lapion> ikonia, tatertots_ it might be a apparmor problem:
[09:54] <lapion> audit: type=1400 audit(1466758478.108:90): apparmor="DENIED" operation="connect" profile="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-helper" name="/var/run/NetworkManager/private-dhcp" pid=2259 comm="nm-dhcp-helper" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[09:56] <justme_> I'm new to ubuntu..I currently have ubuntu running through dual boot on my ssd but all my storage is on other drives..how hard is it to set /home on another drive?
[09:57] <justme_> as to not fill up the rather small 30gb i have set ubuntu in currently
[09:57] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving justme_
[09:57] <tatertots_> when you install your ubuntu OS it's not hard at all to put /home on a different drive
[09:58] <k1l_> justme_: you can mount your windows partitions in ubuntu. so you dont need to have the music, fotos, data be stored twice.
[09:59] <justme_> I followed a youtube install and setup like that..partition ssd hdd in windows and setup install but didn't see the /home setup
[09:59] <justme_> I'll be merging to run ubuntu full time but don't want shit going on my ssd
[10:03] <trijntje> justme_: if you want your home on another disk you have to choose 'something else' in the partitioning menu, and then set /home on you hdd
[10:04] <justme_> trijntje: I did this setup but like windows for speed I wanted ubuntu on my ssd then all storage on E or F drives
[10:05] <trijntje> justme_: you can do that, install ubuntu on the ssd, but put the /home on your hdd.
[10:05] <trijntje> its easiest during the install, not after
[10:05] <justme_> so I'd just follow the partitioning/home/move instructions i was givin the link for?
[10:06] <justme_> trijntje: only other option is to uninstall and delete the partition then reinstall?
[10:07] <trijntje> justme_: you can follow the instructions, or reinstall and do what I described
[10:07] <dudz> if you are going to delete the partition, the uinstall isn't needed
[10:07] <justme_> I can delete the partition straight from windows?
[10:08] <dudz> oh ok, your in windows
[10:08] <dudz> i'm not sure
[10:08] <akik> justme_: you can define the new /home mount point in /etc/fstab, no need for reinstall
[10:08] <justme_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving  follow these instructions?
[10:09] <tatertots_> yes justme
[10:09] <justme_> I'm just in windows for now.. Thanks tatertots_
[10:09] <tatertots_> that document u just linked has all the information you need to move your existing /home and it's "data" or contents to a different drive
[10:10] <tatertots_> including making edits to ur fstab file that akik mentioned
[10:10] <tatertots_> it's all detailed right there in that link
[10:11] <justme_> Sweet I can follow that..cheers
[10:11] <tatertots_> doing this at the time of OS deployment saves the additional administrative effort of doing it post OS deployment
[10:13] <justme_> Yeah but its my first install and was going to let ubuntu do the install but decided to follow the youtube which didn't explain the /home setup
[10:14] <tothbalint> Hello to everybody! I would like to ask a question. I am experimenting with custom post types and custom taxonomies, and I guess I am trying to learn too fast :)
[10:15] <justme_> thanks for the help
[10:15] <tothbalint> I am trying to make a custom taxonomy page.  I am running ubuntu 14.04
[11:05] <bobbob> hello...
[11:05] <tatertots> hello bob
[11:06] <bobbob> on Xenial...
[11:06] <bobbob> if I add multiple dns-nameservers to network/interfaces...
[11:06] <bobbob> if one of them is localhost....then after bouncing the interface, resolv.conf only shows localhost
[11:07] <bobbob> if none of them are localhost, then resolv.conf shows both
[11:07] <bobbob> is this expected? seems like weird behaviour
[11:10] <ducasse> tomaz__: i believe logrotate is run from cron, so i don't think so.
[11:10] <BluesKaj> bobbob, resolv.conf will be over written by  /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d, place your nameservers there in the head, if you don.t use nm
[11:10] <asig3> Hi. Do you know how change the fsck thread max number? I'm running fsck 8 hours ago, in only 1 core!
[11:10] <bobbob> BluesKaj:  is that changed behaviour since 1404? Previously, listing them in network/interfaces was fine?
[11:10] <bobbob> plus it seems to work when neither of the nameservers is localhost?
[11:11] <BluesKaj> ok bobbob, then it's a different problem
[11:12] <ducasse> bobbob: i do that here on 16.04 without problems, but i haven't tried entering localhost.
[11:13] <bobbob> ducasse: yes, as I say, when I enter non-localhost addresses, I can use multiple NS no problem
[11:14] <tatertots> what are you trying to accomplish bobbob?
[11:14] <tatertots> and what is the problem in accomplishing said task?
[11:16] <tatertots> is domain name resolution not working at all?.....is the problem with reverse or forward dns?
[11:16] <bobbob> I want to have multiple nameservers
[11:16] <bobbob> the primary of which should be localhost
[11:16] <bobbob> as I described, when I enter these in network/interfaces, if localhost is present, the other options are ignored
[11:16] <tatertots> so u want to use static dns entry correct?
[11:17] <bobbob> I am configuring multiple dns-nameservers
[11:17] <bobbob> hang on
[11:17] <bobbob> let me do a paste to make this simpler to explain
[11:18] <tatertots> as in a person might want a static ip addy netmask gateway and dns addresses assigned to their system correct
[11:18] <bobbob> yes
[11:18] <tatertots> ah i see
[11:19] <farciarz84> hi hi hi :) Anyone tells me why the upstart script cannot be recognised? Namely, start: Unknown job: myjob. But ironically init-checkconf /etc/init.d/myjob.conf says File /etc/init.d/myjob.conf: syntax ok!
[11:20] <tatertots> do u already know the addy's of the 3x max dns servers u want to use?.....do u know how to test and confirm dns is working with these static ip addresses once they are configured?
[11:20] <bobbob> one seconf
[11:21] <bobbob> I'm just doing a paste up so you fully understand what I am trying to say
[11:21] <tatertots> we can help u configure static dns but if u don't have a firm understanding of how dns works you'll probably just have more questions
[11:21] <bobbob> ..
[11:21] <bobbob> dude
[11:22] <BluesKaj> !u
[11:22] <bobbob> I definitely have good knowledge of DNS
[11:22] <bobbob> anyways
[11:22] <bobbob> check the paste:
[11:22] <bobbob> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17796016/
[11:22] <bobbob> first example, multiple nameservers with localhost
[11:22] <bobbob> second example, multiple nameservers without localhost
[11:23] <bobbob> see what I am saying? when there are multiple nameservers configured with localhost as one of them, the others are ignored by resolv.conf
[11:23] <ducasse> bobbob: have you tried putting them on separate lines?
[11:23] <bobbob> yes
[11:23] <bobbob> no difference
[11:23] <ducasse> odd.
[11:23] <bobbob> indeed
[11:24] <farciarz84> My upstart script cannot be recognised. Namely, start: Unknown job: myjob. But ironically init-checkconf /etc/init.d/myjob.conf says File /etc/init.d/myjob.conf: syntax ok! Ubuntu server 14.04
[11:24] <ducasse> looked for relevant bug reports on launchpad?
[11:24] <sipior> bobbob: is there a resolver listening on localhost?
[11:25] <bobbob> yes
[11:25] <sipior> bobbob: does turning it off change matters?
[11:25] <bobbob> ducasse: I did look, and couldnt see any
[11:25] <bobbob> sipior: I can try
[11:27] <sipior> bobbob: my first guess would be that resolvconf is trying to be too clever
[11:28] <tatertots> identify name servers in resolv.conf ie would be <IP_ADDRESS>  in the resolv.conf
[11:28] <tatertots> test for expected tcp/ip connectivity
[11:29] <tatertots> and name resolution
[11:29] <tatertots> forward and backward
[11:29] <sipior> tatertots: the point is that the daemon that now configures this file automatically is going awry.
[11:29] <sakthi> Hi I have xfce4 desktop on top of ubuntu 16.04 servers. But sometimes it freeze? anyone help me regarding this
[11:29] <bobbob> sipior: with local nameserver stopped, the same thing happens
[11:30] <bobbob> sipior: weirdly, if I put localhost *after* my other nameservers, then it works
[11:30] <bobbob> sipior: but, of course, I want localhost as primary
[11:31] <sipior> bobbob: honestly, i'd just turn off the resolvconf daemon; set it manually.
[11:31] <tatertots> when on a DHCP network resolv.conf file is rewritten using the nameservers specified in the DHCP response
[11:31] <bobbob> sipior: sounds like a plan. do you think its worth raising a bug?
[11:32] <sipior> tatertots: if you read his pastebin, that pretty clearly isn't the case.
[11:32] <sipior> bobbob: i'm not sure it *is* a bug, but it might not hurt to raise one, and get some clarification.
[11:32] <tatertots> when u say it's gone "awry" does that mean that resolv.conf is not being rewritten using name servers specified in the dhcp response?
[11:32] <bobbob> sipior: ok dude. thanks for your help
[11:33] <sipior> bobbob: good luck
[11:33] <bobbob> ty sir
[11:33] <ducasse> tatertots: he's not using dhcp at all.
[11:34] <tatertots> i know he's not but it's not "broken" if it's functioning as designed when on a dhcp network
[11:34] <ABC-XYZ> Apparently still a tremendous amount of GUI applications available in the repositories is still missing/invisible/hidden from GNOME Software due to lacking Appstream Data. What I don't get is how a computer illiterate user is now supposed to install common apps like Megaglest or GNU Backgammon or Canonical partner apps like Steam?
[11:35] <ABC-XYZ> It seems like the only option is reverting to the Ubuntu Software Center?
[11:35] <Sagar> i have added a user in /etc/sudoers, how can i limit the commands, i tried adding 'dhruv   ALL=/usr/bin, !SU, !SHELLS'
[11:35] <bobbob> tatertots: if you looked at that paste I posted, you would clearly see I am not using DHCP
[11:35] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: what ?
[11:35] <Sagar> it doesn't limit it to certain commands, but when he uses commands like sudo nano
[11:35] <Sagar> it says
[11:35] <ducasse> tatertots: if nameservers are specified in the interfaces file then resolvconf will use them.
[11:36] <Sagar> Sorry, user dhruv is not allowed to execute '/bin/rm' as root on omega
[11:36] <BluesKaj> ABC-XYZ, enable the partner debs in /etc/sources.list for one or in the package manager
[11:36] <ABC-XYZ> BluesKaj: well, they are still available from the repositories/cli etc, but they are completely invisible in the GUI
[11:36] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: what do you mean invisible
[11:37] <tatertots> i know that, i was trying to find out what exactly was broken.. sometimes ppl can perceive things as broken just because they don't work they way they thought or expected them to work
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ABC-XYZ, depends on the gui
[11:37] <ikonia> what does "invisible from the gui" actually mean ?
[11:37] <tatertots> he didn't exactly say what his mission was
[11:38] <ABC-XYZ> that means that when you try to search for "wireshark" or "megaglest" through the Ubuntu Software app you only get "no results"
[11:38] <tatertots> he didn't say he was configuring his own internal DNS and setting up forward lookup zones or anything
[11:38] <ikonia> ubuntu software app ?
[11:38] <ABC-XYZ> which is a regression from 15.10; at least from the perspective of the GUI-only user i think
[11:38] <sipior> tatertots: we've all moved on, now.
[11:38] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: can you explain the process you are doing exactly
[11:38] <tatertots> which would indicate a advanced DNS server setup
[11:39] <tatertots> which if ur doing that kinda advanced network admin stuff i'm kinda confused on why he'd be posting here i the first place
[11:39] <Sagar> anyone
[11:39] <ikonia> Sagar: anyone what ?
[11:39] <bobbob> because, as I pointed out, there is potentially a bug with how resolvconf reads the interfaces file
[11:39] <bobbob> and I am raising that on launchpad, obviously other people here may have experienced it, hence my asking
[11:39] <Sagar> i have added a user in /etc/sudoers, how can i limit the commands, i tried adding 'dhruv   ALL=/usr/bin, !SU, !SHELLS'. it doesn't limit it to certain commands, but when he uses commands like sudo nano, Sorry, user dhruv is not allowed to execute '/bin/rm' as root on omega
[11:39] <ABC-XYZ> Well, I open "Ubuntu Software" in a completely vanilla install, search for a common app; typing wireshark for instance; and notice there are zero results
[11:40] <tatertots> potentially?
[11:40] <tatertots> either there is or isn't
[11:40] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: do you mean software center, or the unity dash
[11:40] <bobbob> :/
[11:40] <Sagar> ikonia: that
[11:40] <tatertots> trouble shoot it down to a point of failure
[11:40] <bobbob> dude, you are really hard work
[11:40] <ABC-XYZ> the new GNOME Software/Ubuntu Software - software center in 16.04
[11:40] <jaggz> where do you configure which dirs are cleared at shutdown/boot?  (like /var/lock/ stuff)
[11:40] <bobbob> it isnt a bug, until its confirmed a bug by the developers
[11:40] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: ok - so that will only find software if the repos are available containing them
[11:41] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: they come from non-default repos, you'll need to enable the repos
[11:41] <bobbob> I said potentially, because maybe there is some reason that this is desired behaviour
[11:41] <tatertots> if there is
[11:41] <williamconna> yep
[11:41] <ikonia> Sagar: please pastebin your sudoers file
[11:41] <tatertots> what steps can one take to "reproduce" this issue consistently
[11:41] <ABC-XYZ> ikonia: apt-get install wireshark of course still works, because it IS in the default repos
[11:41] <bobbob> if you think that adding multiple nameservers to an interfaces file is "advanced network admin" stuff then you have very little business giving out advice at all
[11:41] <tatertots> can it be reproduced consistently
[11:41] <bobbob> look at the paste I posted
[11:41] <bobbob> for the 1000th time
[11:41] <ABC-XYZ> ikonia: it just is completely missing from the Ubuntu Software gui, just like many more common apps
[11:41] <bobbob> it has everything you would need to replicate it
[11:42] <tatertots> have others attempt to reproduce the issue to rule out more things
[11:42] <tatertots> before u go throwing around the "B" word....bug
[11:42] <ABC-XYZ> for me it isn't a huge problem, but it's quite off putting for new ubuntu users, I think
[11:42] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: wireshark is in universe
[11:42] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: that is not enabled by default
[11:42] <sipior> tatertots, bobbob: guys, give it a rest.
[11:43] <brianx> the new gnome software just doesn't work.  use apt or one of the other gui tools.
[11:44] <ABC-XYZ> brianx: it quite is a pity :/ it just seems very confusing from the perspective of a first time Ubuntu user
[11:44] <Sagar> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/7WLU7X5T
[11:44] <tatertots> if no one else is or has reported such issues with as widely used as linux is ?... the likely hood of you ..as in 1 person stumbling across a bug that NOBODY else has run into...with all the linux enterprise production environments in the world ....REALLY
[11:45] <brianx> ABC-XYZ: yep.  the authors tried very hard to break it and will simply close your bug.
[11:45] <tatertots> i'm done
[11:45] <tatertots> potential bug my ass
[11:45] <bobbob> lol :)
[11:45] <bobbob> good day to you sir
[11:46] <tatertots> there's bug reports on the net...post it ...surely ur not the only person that has seen this issue with the bazillion linux enterprise production environments out there
[11:46] <sipior> tatertots: so when you said, "i'm done"...
[11:47] <tatertots> maybe u should run ur dns server in windows server ...would make ur life easier bobbob
[11:47] <tatertots> now i'm done sipior
[11:48] <bobbob> tatertots: have you looked on Launchpad at all? there are hundreds of bugs there
[11:48] <bobbob> and you know Xenial has been out a matter of months? the "bazillions" of servers you talk about are not all running Xenial are they?
[11:49] <tatertots> oh yeah i know there's bugs but where's this potential bug you are eluding to huh? got a bugzilla # for me to reference?...didn't think so
[11:49] <bobbob> I haven't raised it yet, if you want to follow it, I can link you once I have finished doing so :)
[11:49] <tatertots> let's be done..hope u get ur configuration figured out
[11:50] <BluesKaj> tatertots, why do you insist on use text talk , this is irc, not twitter
[11:51] <ABC-XYZ> ikonia: universe is actually enabled by default in recent versions of ubuntu it seems
[11:51] <BluesKaj> use of
[11:51] <ikonia> ABC-XYZ: wasn't in my last install
[11:52] <Sagar> ikonia: ?
[11:52] <ABC-XYZ> hmm perhaps it is in my case since I checked "Install propetiary addons"
[11:53] <bobbob> hmm
[11:53] <bobbob> perhaps my problem is related to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bind9/+bug/933723
[11:53] <bobbob> old though
[11:54] <tatertots> i'm just saying if you are going to throw around the B word willy nilly back it up with plenty of bugzilla and launchpad
[11:55] <bobbob> I just pasted a link to an unresolved bug that seems to be related
[11:55] <bobbob> still doesnt really explain why it ignores the other nameservers, or works when localhost is after those
[11:55] <bobbob> meh...will raise it anyway
[11:57] <Sagar> ikonia: there?
[12:00] <Sagar> i have added a user in /etc/sudoers, how can i limit the commands, i tried adding 'dhruv   ALL=/usr/bin, !SU, !SHELLS'. it doesn't limit it to certain commands, but when he uses commands like sudo nano, Sorry, user dhruv is not allowed to execute '/bin/rm' as root on omega. It isn't able to run any commands, all show /bin error, Here is the suoder file, can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/7WLU7X5T
[12:03] <TanNguyen> Sagar: Try deleting both lines with dhruv from your sudoer file, then add this one:
[12:03] <TanNguyen> Sagar: dhruv ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/whoami
[12:04] <TanNguyen> Sagar: 'su' to that user (dhruv) and try to run sudo whoami
[12:06] <Sagar> dhruv@omega:/root$ whoami gives dhruv
[12:06] <ikonia> Sagar: sorry was away from keybaord
[12:06] <ikonia> lets see
[12:06] <Sagar> dhruv@wolf:/root$ sudo whoami gives root
[12:06] <ikonia> Sagar: can I please see the output of "id dhruv"
[12:07] <tatertots> what different about your linux based dns server that you're having issues with and ALL the other linux dns servers that are currently in production in enterprise environments across the globe
[12:07] <Sagar> uid=1001(dhruv) gid=1002(dhruv) groups=1002(dhruv)
[12:07] <ikonia> Sagar: ok - so from your view, what should dhruv not be allowed to do
[12:08] <Sagar> 1) i want it able to access sudo via FTP,
[12:08] <Sagar> 2) I want it allow all sudo commands except su and passwd
[12:08] <ikonia> Sagar: sudo is nothing to do with ftp
[12:08] <Sagar> from ssh
[12:08] <tatertots> they don't seem to be having any issues providing name service
[12:08] <Sagar> ikonia, dhruv has data inside /var/www/html
[12:08] <Sagar> if it doesn't have sudo
[12:08] <tatertots> but it's a bug huh
[12:08] <Sagar> he is unable to edit it
[12:08] <Sagar> permission issues
[12:09] <ikonia> Sagar: sudo is not going to work with ftp
[12:09] <ikonia> Sagar: you don't use sudo for that, you use file system permissions
[12:09] <Sagar> ikonia
[12:09] <Sagar> ok
[12:09] <TanNguyen> Sagar: Then add the commands you need for that user after the whoami command I gave from before, just remember to add the complete path to the command (using which to find that out)
[12:09] <Sagar> what about other?
[12:09] <Sagar> how can i give him all access via sudo expect su and passwd?
[12:10] <gvvg> Hi - I've added this line to my /etc/sudoers "user ALL=(root)      NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown -hP now" for user and still user cannot do a shutdown - any suggestions?
[12:10] <ikonia> Sagar: I suggest you setup a command group
[12:10] <ikonia> Sagar: and put everthing you want them to do in that command group
[12:11] <Random12345> hey! quick question. every few days i run "Software Updater" and everything gets updated, at least so i though. i just opened "Ubuntu Software" and it lists 3 updates. for some reason these updates are not part of the "Software Updater", any reason why? (they are: OS Updates, Archive Manager, Software & Updates)
[12:11] <Random12345> basiclly "Software & Updates" does not even update itself.
[12:11] <gsa> hello guys
[12:11] <gsa> i do have small problem
[12:11] <Sagar> ikonia: guide?
[12:11] <Random12345> do i need to check two places for updates? is there a way to make this into one place?
[12:11] <ikonia> Sagar: man sudo
[12:12] <gsa> after installing graphic nvidia drivers, I do have some problems with logging in
[12:13] <gsa> it goes back to logging table, even when password is correct
[12:13] <tatertots> hmmm
[12:13] <tatertots> https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bind9/+bug/933723
[12:13] <tatertots> says "FIX RELEASED"
[12:14] <gsa> is there any way besides installing os from beginning ?
[12:15] <tatertots> maybe mr bobbob didn't notice that part because he tried to find something in such a hurry
[12:15] <tatertots> it's also from 4 years ago on top of being marked as "FIX RELEASED"
[12:15] <tatertots> bug my ass
[12:15] <EriC^^> gsa: boot to the recovery mode from grub>advanced, then drop to root shell and purge the nvidia driver
[12:16] <EriC^^> gsa: after you drop to root shell run the command "mount -o remount,rw /"
[12:17] <k1l_> gsa: does another user account or guest account work to login?
[12:17] <gsa> nope it doesnt
[12:18] <mrasker> hello, i have ubuntu 14.04 64bit with rhythmbox. I don't know if this is the rigt place to ask about the rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin.
[12:20] <mrasker> rhythmbox-radio-browser plugin works file in my laptop but it freezes rhytmbox in my desktop. I installed several times and in different ways but always the same result
[12:22] <tatertots> anything in the logs when rhythmbox freezes ?
[12:23] <tatertots> just the application rhythmbox freezes or your entire desktop system freezes?
[12:25] <bobbob> tatertots: if you actually read the whole bug report you will see it is not fixed
[12:25] <bobbob> plus I did say it was old and possibly unrelated
[12:25] <bobbob> you seem to be under the impression that every bug that has ever existed will already be reported
[12:26] <bobbob> that is patently untrue for obvious reasons
[12:26] <bobbob> but lets let the bug reviewers decide
[12:26] <bobbob> as soon as I'm done with this duck wrap :)
[12:26] <tatertots> no i'm under the impression that the launchpad you posted is marked as "FIX RELEASED"
[12:27] <tatertots> and is 4 years old on top of that
[12:27] <tatertots> and is probably not even the save software environment that you have
[12:27] <tatertots> same
[12:27] <bobbob> 3rd time...I said it was old and possibly unrelated
[12:27] <tatertots> and has nothing to do with you setting up a working functional dns server
[12:28] <bobbob> you dont even understand what I am doing, so you cant possibly comment on whether its a bug or not
[12:29] <bobbob> anyways, I'm pretty much done with this tiresome back and forth with you, lets agree to disagree :)
[12:29] <tatertots> there are plenty of linux dns server in production right now...i have on here at my house and it's working fine...why u can't get your dns server working is a mystery ...good luck with that though
[12:29] <bobbob> it isnt even a dns server I am having problems with
[12:36] <blut> !man ethdetect
[12:36] <blut> !info ethdetect
[12:36] <blut> !find ethdetect
[12:36] <Pici> !msgthebot
[12:37] <milad> hi
[12:37] <ioria> blut, http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ethdetect
[12:38] <milad> is it safe to download and use ubuntu 14.4.5 daily iso?
[12:38] <blut> ioria: is there a manpage?
[12:38] <k1l_> blut: there is packages.ubuntu.com
[12:38] <BluesKaj> blut, run nmcli con
[12:38] <k1l_> blut: and there is manpages.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <blut> thank you
[12:39] <Yuri4_> Guys, I'm following some step by step instruction. It says, I should do `adduser --disabled-login todos` and recieve this output http://pastebin.com/6mNgxCuB But I'm recieveing this http://pastebin.com/8nFzCmft is this normal?
[12:39] <k1l_> milad: the 5th pointrelease is still in testing. so its not released, its on your own risk. if you need to ask, dont run unstable releases
[12:39] <milad> can i?
[12:39] <ioria> blut,  i don't find it
[12:40] <blut> It's on the initrd
[12:40] <milad> i think its only updated iso! isnt?
[12:40] <ioria> blut,  but "Do not install it on a normal Ubuntu system." :þ
[12:40] <blut> I want to disable it, but I need to know if there are any options that are useful
[12:41] <blut> Otherwise I would just shove a sh script with exit 0 in its place
[12:41] <k1l_> milad: it includes the 16.04 backports kernel and xorg. and as i said: if you need to ask about the risk, then dont run it.
[12:49] <milad> sorry me.so what about ubuntu 16.04 daily build? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xenial/daily-live/current/
[12:57] <pranay> !hi
[12:57] <tatertots> hello pranay
[12:58] <pranay> I have recently installed ubuntu on my thinkpad T420
[12:58] <Teresa_> How to recover journal?
[12:58] <pranay> and my battery backup has been decreased to just 1 hour
[12:58] <pranay> can any body help me in this
[12:59] <Teresa_> Ubuntu consume too much resources generally
[13:00] <tatertots> pranay do you mean that your T420 battery life seem to have decreased since installing ubuntu?...
[13:00] <pranay> yup
[13:00] <pranay> It was earlier giving me a backup of around 2.5-3 hours
[13:00] <tatertots> as compared to your battery life when running windows OS i'm assuming?...is this your comparison
[13:01] <pranay> yup
[13:01] <tatertots> ok
[13:01]  * shabat
[13:02] <Teresa_> How to recover journal?
[13:03] <Teresa_> I'm unable to boot to the system
[13:03] <zykotick9> pranay: you might want to try installing powertop and running "sudo powertop --auto-tune" and see if that help a bit...  note you'd have to run that after every restart, and it might not be a great idea to run in your on AC power.  Good luck (PS. no matter what you do, you're unlikely to get the same battery life as with MS)
[13:04] <tatertots> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/PowerManagement/PowerSavingTweaks
[13:04] <Teresa_> How to recover journal?
[13:05] <Teresa_> Help immediately my system is at risk.
[13:05] <tatertots> Teresa
[13:05] <tatertots> so you are unable to boot your system?   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:07] <nebg> how can i tell vim to delete until the first occurence of the character / ?
[13:07] <Teresa_> tatertots: It can be used if I
[13:07] <tatertots> sorry to hear you are unable to boot your system Teresa ..good luck https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:08] <Teresa_> could get terminal
[13:09] <Teresa_> It calls to recover journal and asks for root pa
[13:09] <TanNguyen> nebg: You need to delete your current line till a charactor, or you need to delete till the line that contains that character?
[13:09] <Teresa_> password
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Teresa_, ctl+alt+F1-F6 to get to a VT/TTY
[13:09] <nebg> TanNguyen, the second one
[13:10] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: i doubt Teresa_ is getting that far in boot, sounds more like they need live-media or recorvery to run fsck to me?
[13:11] <TanNguyen> Position to the first line, then use this
[13:11] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, yeah I was hoping it would be simpler ;/
[13:11] <TanNguyen> d/\?<cr>   <cr> stands for enter key,
[13:11] <Teresa_> Even tty doesn't work the system is now on tty1 and none other opens up and on tty1 it says welcome to emergency mode
[13:13] <Teresa_> For home partition it says recovering journal : the first message shown
[13:13] <tatertots> Teresa https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair and that describes using live media to attempt to get your system that won't boot back into a bootable state
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Teresa_, yeah , sounds like problem for the boot repair live media
[13:13] <EriC^^> Teresa_: do you have a live usb?
[13:14] <Teresa_> Not right  now
[13:14] <BluesKaj> BBL ..stuff to do
[13:14] <EriC^^> Teresa_: did you do something before you got that msg? any error before it?
[13:14] <EriC^^> (before the error msg itself)
[13:15] <tatertots> Yes Teresa please tell us the circumstances that led up to you noticing your computer was no longer bootable
[13:15] <tatertots> any recent hardware or software changes?
[13:15] <tatertots> power outage?
[13:16] <tatertots> physical damage?
[13:16] <Teresa_> I made a partition mounted to a custom directory
[13:16] <tatertots> had the computer been moved into a different environment ?
[13:16] <Teresa_> No
[13:17] <tatertots> those were just probing questions to get you to elaborate on the issue
[13:17] <tatertots> please continue
[13:17] <Teresa_> There's one more thing : It asks Root password for maintenance
[13:18] <Teresa_> Though I provided correct yet it says login incorrect
[13:19] <tatertots> this partition you speak of mounting to a custom location .....was this on the same hard drive as the OS or a different hard drive than the OS?
[13:19] <staeksauce> are you sure capslock isn't on
[13:19] <tatertots> you'll be using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair either way but the more info you provide the better assistance we can be
[13:20] <Teresa_> Additionally it says press ctrl+D to continue and then comes to the same place again after a logo of Ubuntu
[13:20] <Teresa_> Ohk
[13:21] <Teresa_> tatertots : It was on the same HD
[13:23] <Teresa_> By the way if I use a live USB how does that gonna access the partitions?
[13:24] <tatertots> Teresa
[13:25] <tatertots> Boot-Repair also has advanced options to back up table partitions, back up bootsectors, create a Boot-Info (to get help by email or forum), or change the default repair parameters: configure GRUB, add kernel options (acpi=off ...), purge GRUB, change the default OS, restore a Windows-compatible MBR, repair a broken filesystem, specify the disk where GRUB should be installed, etc.
[13:27] <asad_> If I've installed a package using a deb file, can I upgrade it by installing the newer version of the deb file? What happens to older one?
[13:27] <Teresa_> Ook if boot repair can help then how do I install it!
[13:27] <tatertots> Teresa
[13:27] <tatertots> 1st option : get a disk including Boot-Repair The easiest way to use Boot-Repair is to create a disk containing the tool (eg Boot-Repair-Disk, a disk starting Boot-Repair automatically), and boot on it.  Remark : it is recommended to install the ISO on a live-USB (eg via UnetBootin or LiliUSB or Universal USB Installer). Do not burn it on a DVD if your computer has Windows8 pre-installed, or if your boot is in EFI mode.
[13:28] <tatertots> 2nd option : install Boot-Repair in Ubuntu - either from an Ubuntu live-session (boot your computer on a Ubuntu live-CD or live-USB then choose "Try Ubuntu") or from your installed Ubuntu session (if you can access it)  - connect to the Internet  - open a new Terminal, then type the following commands (press Enter after each line):   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install -y boot
[13:29] <tatertots> option 1 has your name all over it Teresa
[13:29] <zykotick9> tatertots: i doutbe Teresa_ would be able to install anything right now... so i think option 1 is the only viable option... <- just a guess
[13:30] <zykotick9> tatertots: oh install on the livemedia... nevermind.
[13:32] <tatertots> I have my fingers crossed for you Teresa, hope you didn't destroy any data that you wanted when you created that partition and mounted it to your custom location
[13:32] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:33] <asad_> ?
[13:33] <Teresa_> Ook I'm Gon
[13:33] <jaggz> my /var/lock is being cleaned though.. not sure what's doing it..
[13:33] <jaggz> --> /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh loads /lib/init/bootclean.sh -- but that later file doesn't exist
[13:34] <Teresa_> *gonna try that
[13:34] <jaggz> anyone know how those paths get cleared??
[13:35] <lekev>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER lekev nuxrcsvwlgsx
[13:36] <tatertots> Teresa you've inspired me to backup my data right now :)
[13:37] <bozit> NickServ
[13:37] <TanNguyen> lekev: Please consider updating your password after this
[13:37] <Pici> TanNguyen, lekev: its not a password.
[13:38] <lekev> thx
[13:38] <lekev> it's just the confirmation email
[13:38] <lekev> it should be fine
[13:38] <TanNguyen> Picy: oh, I see. Sorry for my ignorance
[13:39] <lekev> I am looking for a channel where I can discuss about design pattern
[13:39] <bozit> what design pattern in particular?
[13:39] <Pici> lekev: ##programming perhaps.
[13:41] <pranay> quit
[13:43] <lekev> thx
[13:45]  * root___10
[13:47]  * shabat
[13:53] <d3bug> is there a simple way to rebuild an Ubuntu system from source without issuing 3 commands per package?  ie; is there a script or something that can accomplish this?  (I want to optimize for my specific hardware)
[13:53] <sipior> d3bug: at that point, you should probably consider something like arch or gentoo, frankly.
[13:54] <d3bug> well, I don't like gentoo (the package management system)... and arch I am not familiar with (what's the distro it's based on?)
[13:55] <sipior> d3bug: i think it's more or less sui generis, not derivative.
[13:55] <d3bug> sipior: I like to play around with source based distros (lunar, sourcemage, t2, etc), but I thought it might be interesting to see how optimized Ubuntu COULD be
[13:56] <sipior> d3bug: you will almost certainly be disappointed
[13:56] <d3bug> sipior:  you don't think I could squeeze out a little more performance from it?
[13:57] <sipior> a little, sure. if you don't know what you're doing, and blindly add optimizations in, you might actually make things slower.
[13:57] <Bayam> excuse me, does anyone know the channel to ask things like VPN great use in linux?
[13:57] <d3bug> sipior: oh yes, I know... I just meant basic optimizations, nothing crazy and unstable (-march=native, etc)
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Bayam, #networking
[13:59] <Bayam> BluesKaj, thanks for your help