[00:24] <bigjools> roaksoax: in case you are not really asleep yet, there's one more fix that needs to get in to maas, the WSGIImportScript change to fix the bson problem.  It's possibly only a small packaging change for the Apache config.
[00:24] <bigjools> might have to SRU it though
[00:24] <bigjools> either way, it's urgent of course
[01:44] <jpds> bigjools: Any idea how I can figure out why MAAS is no longer serving TFTP?
[01:44] <jpds> pserv.log shows: TFTP Listener started at <IP_ADDRESS>:69
[01:45] <jpds> But it's not.
[01:46] <jpds> Oh, wait, might have fied it.
[01:46] <bigjools> can you co..
[01:53] <jpds> So, I chwoned pserv.log back to maas:mas.
[01:53] <bigjools> ...
[01:53] <jpds> But it still can't do its thing: chinstrap.canonical.com/~jpds/maas.png
[01:54] <jpds> Interesting how it doesn't say that it's starting up...
[01:55] <bigjools> restart it
[01:55] <bigjools> it didnt shut down
[01:56] <jpds> If i stop it, I get another  Received SIGTERM, shutting down. line.
[01:56] <jpds> start doesn't being anything up.
[01:56] <bigjools> when you stop it, do you see the process actually go away?
[01:56] <jpds> Yep, it's no longer listening on port 69.
[01:57] <bigjools> that means nothing, is the process still there?
[01:57] <jpds> No, no pserv.
[01:57] <bigjools> ok
[01:57] <jpds> $ sudo service maas-pserv start
[01:57] <bigjools> what user does it run as?
[01:57] <jpds> I have a process, port 69, user maas.
[01:57] <jpds> Nothing in logs.
[01:58] <bigjools> is the log file +w?
[01:58] <jpds> Yep.
[01:59] <bigjools> apparmor ?
[01:59] <bigjools> having said that your last error was hours ago
[01:59] <bigjools> so once it's up, can you use a cmd line tftp client?
[02:00] <bigjools> looks like that part worked actually, from the bios screen
[02:00] <bigjools> unless the dots mean it's waiting and not downloading
[02:05] <jpds> Interestinly, if I download from the cmd line, I actually get logs in pserv.log.
[02:05] <jpds> Sorry, suffering the _worst_ Internet connection I've seen here.
[02:06] <davecheney> jpds: do you have negative bandwidth ?
[02:06] <jpds> davecheney: I wouldn't be surprised, took me 5 minutes to write that last line it kept dropping out.
[02:07] <jpds> tftp> get pxelinux.0
[02:07] <jpds> Received 26837 bytes in 0.0 seconds
[02:07] <jpds> Works fine, VM on the same phyiscally host as the MAAS VM, doesn't work... :-/
[02:08] <bigjools> sounds like your VM network setup is wrong then
[02:08] <jpds> bigjools: They're both sitting on br0.
[02:09] <bigjools> well something is wrong
[02:17] <jpds> bigjools: Can you see anything breaking if I "sudo -u postgres pg_dump maasdb" and import that into a new MAAS install?
[02:18] <bigjools> yes
[02:18] <bigjools> but if all the nodes are Ready then it's ok
[02:18] <bigjools> I  think
[02:22] <jpds> They're ready, I don't want to re-enlist everything though.
[02:27] <jtv> Does anybody know why bug 1232174 was reset from Fix Committed to Triaged?
[02:29] <bigjools> nfi
[02:29] <bigjools> does it work?
[02:29] <bigjools> btw our sampledata seems screwed
[02:29] <jtv> I thought it did, but...  Wanted to try just now, but couldn't get a large canonistack instance.
[02:30] <bigjools> you get "#### INVALID STRING ####" in the node listing for each node's name
[02:30] <jtv> I think that's hard-coded IDs in the sample data fixture.
[02:30] <bigjools> clicking on them gets a crash
[02:30] <jtv> Yes.
[02:31] <jtv> Say the sample data creates a nodegroup, and the database assigns it ID 3.
[02:31] <jtv> Unfortunately the fixture assumes it gets ID 1.
[02:31] <jtv> I don't know how exactly that would work, given referential integrity, but ISTR that was how it happened.
[02:53] <roaksoax> bigjools: yep that's on my radar
[02:53] <bigjools> roaksoax: cool, SRU?
[02:53] <roaksoax> bigjools: i think we might be able to get in critical fixes
[02:54] <bigjools> even more better
[03:00] <roaksoax> bigjools: what other critical fixes we have?
[03:01] <bigjools> roaksoax: that's the only one I know of
[03:01] <bigjools> I'm doing some doc changes now but that won't affect the release
[03:01] <roaksoax> bigjools: this aaffects maas-import-ephemerals, and I';m filking a new one
[03:01] <roaksoax> https://bugs.launchpad.net/simplestreams/+bug/1237990
[03:02] <roaksoax> bigjools: i think we should unify maas-import-pxe-files and maas-import-ephemerals config to be just one
[03:03] <bigjools> roaksoax: +1
[03:03] <bigjools> it will happen when we convert mipf
[03:07] <roaksoax> bigjools: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1238376
[03:08] <roaksoax> bigjools: is the bug clear or am I too tired?
[03:08] <bigjools> reading
[03:10] <bigjools> roaksoax: hmmm,  jtv any comments ^
[03:11]  * jtv reads
[03:13] <jtv> If you still have the shell-style config for maas-import-ephemerals, it includes the maas-import-pxe-files by default.
[03:14] <jtv> So AFAICS the bug only applies to a fresh install.
[03:14] <jtv> And there, the behaviour seems reasonable per se — as long as we can make the configuration clear to the user.
[03:15] <roaksoax> jtv: might also affect in upgrades I think I had issues with upgrades as well
[03:15] <roaksoax> that's how I think I discovered it first
[03:15] <jtv> Let me just check the old config file...
[03:15] <roaksoax> i can't really remember though
[03:15] <roaksoax> jtv: but either way, on a fresh install, if before we used to modify 1 file, now we need to modify 2
[03:15] <roaksoax> which can become painful
[03:15] <jtv> The old /etc/maas/import_ephemerals config started with:
[03:16] <jtv> [ ! -f /etc/maas/import_pxe_files ] || . /etc/maas/import_pxe_files
[03:16] <roaksoax> jtv: right but that upgrade should remove import_pxe_files
[03:16] <roaksoax> err
[03:16] <roaksoax> import_ephemerals
[03:16] <jtv> It moves it, but after reading the variables it sets.
[03:16] <roaksoax> technically speaking, and due to packaging standards, it shold be removfed on upgrade IIRC
[03:16] <jtv> So the resulting config _should_ include any settings from /etc/maas/import_pxe_files
[03:17] <roaksoax> right
[03:17] <roaksoax> jtv: so I've seen upgrades where it generated a new pserv.yaml
[03:17] <roaksoax> while I've seen others that didn't
[03:17] <roaksoax> i think it requires more corner case escenarios
[03:17] <roaksoax> but the thing is that should not happen in fresh installs either
[03:17] <roaksoax> because we are supposed to only run maas-import-pxe-files which also runs maas-import-ephemerals
[03:18] <jtv> What exactly should not happen in fresh installs?
[03:18] <jtv> If you've seen a fresh install rewrite pserv.yaml, that's a bug.
[03:18] <roaksoax> jtv: not  fresh, an upgrade
[03:19] <roaksoax> jtv: in fresh install.. because we run maas-import-pxe-files, which runs maas-import-pepehemrals, then it should inhering
[03:19] <roaksoax> whatever config for release is in /etc/maas/import_pxe_files
[03:19] <jtv> It doesn't.  I think we should update the documentation for this.
[03:20] <roaksoax> jtv: right, it doesn't iunherit, so that *is* a bug
[03:20] <roaksoax> jtv: that's a "regression"
[03:20] <roaksoax> from how it used to work
[03:20] <jtv> Or "change in behaviour" as we software engineers like to justify ourselves.  :)
[03:20] <roaksoax> a regression because maas-import-pxe-files *does* run maas-import-ephemerals
[03:20] <roaksoax> lol
[03:21] <roaksoax> jtv: yeah unfortantely users say otherwise and I deal with that :)
[03:21] <roaksoax> but anytways
[03:21] <roaksoax> simply because maas-import-pxe-files runs maas-import-ephemerals, then it is a regression and should be fixed
[03:21] <roaksoax> jtv: that's why i suggested bigjools to somehow unify the config between maas-import-pxe-files and maas-import-ephemerals
[03:21] <roaksoax> but either way that's an standing bug
[03:22] <roaksoax> jtv: there's users been hitting that issue already (internal and in important projects that caused blockers)
[03:22] <jtv> That's fast.
[03:22] <jtv> We have been unifying the config, but this is a transitional issue.
[03:22] <roaksoax> so I'm happy it wasn't just me
[03:23] <roaksoax> jtv: yeah, transitional should mean backwards compatible
[03:23] <roaksoax> and fresh installs are not
[03:23] <roaksoax> and might affect upgrades
[03:23] <roaksoax> i;m not 100% sure it doesn't cause I found the issues on an upgrade
[03:23] <jtv> It shouldn't be too hard to preserve the old behaviour — it's just a bit ugly to keep running one shell config but moving the other into the unified config.
[03:23] <roaksoax> yeah
[03:23] <roaksoax> anyway
[03:23] <roaksoax> i'm off to bed
[03:24] <roaksoax> have a good night
[03:24] <jtv> It's important to know when you hit those issues.
[03:24] <jtv> Good night... dream of MAAS.  :)
[03:24] <jtv> ¡Buenas!
[03:24] <bigjools> nn roaksoax
[04:09] <bigjools> https://code.launchpad.net/~julian-edwards/maas/more-docs/+merge/190525  but no rush I am going to eat
[04:34] <jpds> Any way I can force a rewrite of dhcpd.conf ?
[04:37] <jpds> I tried editing eth0 on the web UI, but it's not writing dhcpd.conf for some reasons.
[04:37] <jpds> reason*
[04:58] <jpds> Did it by hand, and got MAAS to work.
[05:59] <bigjools> jpds: edit the cluster IIRC
[06:01] <jpds> bigjools: Yeah, I tried that, it doesn't write the file.
[06:02] <jpds> Tried removing the interface too.
[06:02] <jpds> And readding it.
[06:04] <bigjools> why did you need to rewrite it?
[06:04] <jpds> bigjools: I didn't have one, this is a fresh MAAS install.
[06:04] <bigjools> sounds like your cluster's celeryd is not workig
[06:05] <jpds> maas-cluster-celery start/running, process 599 - hmm.
[06:05] <bigjools> or perhaps dhcp not set to managed?
[06:05] <jpds> Ah, /var/log/maas/celery.log as HTTPErrors.
[06:06] <bigjools> or the cluster is not accepted
[06:07] <jpds> INFO/PoolWorker-4] The DHCP leases file does not exist.  This is only a problem if this cluster controller is managing its DHCP server.  If that's the case then you need to install the 'maas-dhcp' package on this cluster controller.
[06:07] <bigjools> if editing the cluster doesn't write it one of those conditions is not met
[06:07] <jpds> It is installed, so I guess the file was just missing to begin with.
[06:09] <bigjools> that error is orthogonal to this
[06:12] <jpds> Aha, i seem to have a pending cluster.
[06:18] <bigjools> jtv: we don't have any loud announcement of pending clusters do we?
[06:18] <jtv> No, they're just listed on the settings page.
[06:37] <bigjools> jtv: "  If multiple tags attached to a node have the kernel_opts defined, the first one ordered by name is used."
[06:37] <bigjools> ok?
[06:39] <jtv> bigjools: yes, thanks
[06:39] <bigjools> cheers
[07:21] <kampy> hi all
[07:21] <kampy> i have installed maas
[07:21] <kampy> but facing issues with dhcp
[07:22] <kampy> when i am trying to get ip for  machine through dhcp
[07:22] <kampy> i am geting the ip from the range i have configured in /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[07:22] <kampy> but when i am trying the same conf through maas
[07:23] <kampy> it is not able to fetch the ip
[07:23] <kampy> please help me in configuring dhcp with maas correctly
[07:24] <kampy> http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/install.html#configure-dhcp followed the steps in this link
[10:11] <jpds> bigjools: I think DOWNLOAD in masa-import-pxe-files should have a -c by default.
[11:45] <rvba> Hi smoser, I'm getting this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6221791/ when running the import script… I assume this is a transient issue… ?
[12:49] <jamespage> rvba, smoser's not around today
[12:49] <jamespage> rvba, I'd hoped that commits to published simplestream data might be atomic - does it resolve if you re-run straight away?
[12:50] <rvba> jamespage: I ran the script twice… but maybe this is due to the caching proxy we use in the lab… I'm investigating…
[12:51] <jamespage> rvba, that could certainly created some issues depending on config
[14:17] <nesusvet> Hello everyone!
[14:18] <nesusvet> I tryied to deploy the node, but after deployment it returns: 2013-10-11 07:15:54 DEBUG juju.state open.go:88 connection failed, will retry: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:37017: connection refused
[14:18] <nesusvet> I guess there a problem in different version on the mongodb
[14:20] <nesusvet> and I guess I should add the stable-juju repository to this file: /etc/apt/sources.list before installation, but I don't know how
[15:00] <jtv> nesusvet: sounds like something the Juju folks would be better able to diagnose.  It doesn't seem to be anything in MAAS per se.
[15:00] <nesusvet> thanks
[15:11] <jtv> rvba: just hit that checksum error too
[15:11] <jtv> On a "precise" download this time.
[15:12] <jtv> But also 20131010, strangely enough.
[15:15] <jtv> roaksoax: are you here?  If so, could you review a packaging change for me?  It's https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/pkg-bug-1238376/+merge/190658
[15:17] <roaksoax> jtv: branch needs fixing
[15:17] <roaksoax> huge diff :)
[15:17] <jtv> Uh-oh
[15:17] <jtv> I bet I proposed for the wrong branch!
[15:18] <jtv> roaksoax: hoping this one'll work out better... https://code.launchpad.net/~jtv/maas/pkg-bug-1238376/+merge/190694
[15:18] <jtv> Definitely a smaller diff...
[15:19] <jtv> roaksoax: I also landed another critical fix in r1702, so maybe I should just bump the revision number to that...
[15:19] <jtv> Thanks for the review.
[15:28] <roaksoax> yep
[15:29] <roaksoax> jtv: if you guys can make a list of critical bug fixes would be great
[15:31] <jtv> roaksoax: there's no "us guys" at the moment I'm afraid...  I think the rest of the squad's gone home, and I'm about to do the same.
[15:32] <jtv> I know there's bug 1238376 and 1238681.
[15:33] <roaksoax> jtv: next week is fine
[15:33] <roaksoax> over email better ;)
[15:34] <jtv> roaksoax: this listing should give you a pretty good idea, on an ongoing basis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=FIXRELEASED&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.importance%3Alist=HIGH&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&fie
[15:34] <jtv> ld.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on
[15:35] <jtv> Hum.  Pretty long URL.
[15:35] <jtv> Call it http://bit.ly/1bLZzBX for short.
[15:36] <jtv> roaksoax: that's critical bugs, fix committed & fix released, sorted from most recently changed to less recently changed.
[15:40] <matsubara> roaksoax, have you seen this before: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6222957/?
[15:40] <matsubara> roaksoax, triggered during a test run for the saucy daily package
[15:42] <roaksoax> jtv: awesome! thanks yoiu
[15:42] <roaksoax> matsubara: looking
[15:42] <roaksoax> matsubara: yeah, it is pretty self explanatory
[15:42] <roaksoax> matsubara: do you have the images for the release?
[15:42] <matsubara> roaksoax, well, it did run maas-import-pxe-files
[15:42] <roaksoax> matsubara: make sure the directory and images exist
[15:43] <matsubara> so I guess maas-import-pxe-files is failing quietly
[15:43] <roaksoax> matsubara: probably is, or maas-import-ephemerals
[15:45] <matsubara> roaksoax, there's a /var/lib/maas/ephemeral/precise/ephemeral/i386 dir but there's not a amd64 dir
[15:45] <roaksoax> matsubara: so you only imported i386 images
[15:45] <roaksoax> you need both, amd64 and i386
[15:47] <matsubara> roaksoax, the test ran maas-import-pxe-files, that should be enough to get both right?
[15:47] <matsubara> I'm investigating why it didn't, just wondered if you had seen it before
[15:47] <roaksoax> matsubara: by default it should get both yes
[15:48] <roaksoax> matsubara: but if you modified the config to only get i386 then it would fail that way
[16:30] <roaksoax> smoser: can i mark this bug as fix released? 1218530
[16:30] <roaksoax> bug #1218530
[18:52] <adam_g> roaksoax, ping
[18:52] <roaksoax> adam_g: pong
[18:53] <adam_g> roaksoax, do you have any curtin'd insatlled 12.04 machines up atm?
[18:53] <roaksoax> adam_g: nope
[18:55] <adam_g> roaksoax, ah, k
[18:56] <roaksoax> adam_g: btw i have a fix for the upmi thing but havent tested yet
[18:56] <adam_g> roaksoax, oh right i saw you pinged me
[18:56] <adam_g> roaksoax, unfortuantely i wont be able to test today
[18:56] <roaksoax> adam_g: no worries ;)
[18:57] <roaksoax>
[19:13] <matsubara> roaksoax, I'm still getting the checksum failure running maas-import-pxe-files while using a proxy (after I cleared the cache). rvba mentioned he tried on a canonistack instance and the script completed successfully. Could be a bug of the script interacting with a proxy? Or perhaps I'm not cleaning the cache properly (although I do see lots of TCP_MISS in the squid logs, so it indicates the cache has been cleared fine)
[19:13] <roaksoax> uhmmm
[19:13] <roaksoax> matsubara: remove squid cache with rm -rf
[19:14] <roaksoax> and restart squid and retry?
[19:14] <matsubara> that's what I tried
[19:14] <matsubara> I stopped squid, removed the cache_dir and restarted
[19:14] <matsubara> but got the error again
[19:14] <matsubara> but I'm seeing in the squid log: 11/Oct/2013:15:10:16 -0400.124      0 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_MEM_HIT/200 2221 GET http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral/releases/streams/v1/index.sjson - NONE/- text/plain
[19:14] <matsubara> and 11/Oct/2013:15:10:16 -0400.387    163 <IP_ADDRESS> TCP_REFRESH_UNMODIFIED/200 13497 GET http://maas.ubuntu.com/images/ephemeral/releases/streams/v1/com.ubuntu.maas:download.sjson - DIRECT/<IP_ADDRESS> text/plain
[19:15] <matsubara> so, maybe it's using some other cache I'm not aware of. squid's memory cache? sudo service squid3 stop should clear the cache in memory, no?
[19:15] <roaksoax> matsubara: check in /var/lib/cache/squid....
[19:15] <roaksoax> or somewhere around there for the actual squid cache
[19:16] <matsubara> -bash: cd: /var/lib/cache: No such file or directory
[19:16] <roaksoax> matsubara: restart squi-deb-proxy
[19:16] <matsubara> yeah, the config is pointing to /var/spool/squid3 and that's the one I removed
[19:17] <matsubara> squid deb proxy too? this is just regular squid, not the deb-proxy one
[19:17] <matsubara> I mean, the maas-import-pxe-files uses the squid cache not the s-d-p one, AFAICT
[19:17] <matsubara> s-d-p is used for the archive stuff
[19:17] <matsubara> (I'll try restarting s-d-p in anyway)
[19:17] <roaksoax> matsubara: we dont ship anyconfig for squid3
[19:18] <roaksoax> only for squid-deb-proxy
[19:18] <matsubara> roaksoax, that's in the QA lab, it's not part of maas, we use a cache there to speed up maas-import-pxe-files
[19:19] <roaksoax> ok so if the logs say theres a hit on the cache then probably the cache was not cleaned
[19:19] <roaksoax> i dunno where rlse would it be
[19:19] <roaksoax> but thats weird
[19:20] <roaksoax> tzzzzt
[19:42] <adam_g> roaksoax, do you know much about curtin in terms of its preseed data/cloud-config?
[19:42] <adam_g> i know smoser is out
[19:43] <roaksoax> adam_g: no unfortunately
[19:44] <roaksoax> what do you need to do?
[19:44] <adam_g> roaksoax, do you know if the /etc/maas/preseeds/curtin_userdata is userdata that is executed during provisioning?
[19:44] <adam_g> trying to work around https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1238915 by adding a curtin hook to just remove that file after install / before first boot
[19:45] <adam_g> adding a final_command seems like it shoudl work
[19:45] <roaksoax> adam_g: yeah it is
[19:45] <roaksoax> so thats where you eould put lay
[19:45] <roaksoax> te_commands
[19:45] <roaksoax> err
[19:45] <roaksoax> late_commands
[19:46] <adam_g> roaksoax, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6223940/
[19:46] <adam_g> roaksoax, late_commands is a DI thing right?  that doc makes it look like curtin's final_command is the same thing
[19:47] <roaksoax> adam_g: correct
[19:47] <adam_g> roaksoax, ill add that to curtin_userdata and see if it works
[19:50] <roaksoax> it should
[19:51] <roaksoax> i think stokachu did it for vlan config
[21:37] <Tim> Quick Question: Is there a way to set a password for commissioned nodes?
[21:39] <Tim> I need to access the node locally because networking doesn't come up properly after reboot
[21:48] <Nik_> Not sure if I understand the question, but ubuntu user gets the ssh key placed in their authorized keys
[21:49] <Tim> No?
[21:49] <Tim> I understand, but I can't ssh
[21:49] <Tim> I have to log in locally
[21:49] <Tim> Nik_: hence the password
[21:49] <Nik_> Oh i see...
[21:49] <Nik_> If you are local, you can go into maintenance mode
[21:49] <Nik_> and set any password
[21:50] <Nik_> You'll get root access
[21:50] <Tim> maintenance mode?
[21:50] <Nik_> Umm.. that kernel boot option
[21:50] <Tim> ah
[21:50] <Tim> in grub?
[21:50] <matsubara> Tim, this might help: https://lists.launchpad.net/maas-devel/msg00808.html
[21:51] <Nik_> yeah something like that
[21:51] <Nik_> It's called single-user mode or maintennace mode
[21:51] <Nik_> You get a shell prompt and no drives mounted
[21:51] <Nik_> maybe this can help: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-reset-forgotten-root-password/
[21:51] <Tim> matsubara: Interesting, thanks for the link
[21:51] <Tim> Nik_: I'll try that as well
[21:51] <Nik_> You got juju working or just maas?
[21:52] <matsubara> np
[21:52] <Tim> Nik_: I'm tryinig to get juju working, but since networking does come up on my node after reboot juju deploy times out
[21:52] <Tim> *does not
[21:52] <Tim> Its a problem with out 10gb switch
[21:53] <Tim> if anyone cares
[21:53] <Nik_> I see. Well hopefully I understand how maas works and how things happen with PXE enough for this to fork for you :)
[21:54] <Nik_> And I didn't check mat's link. That may help too
[21:54] <Tim> Nik_: Lol. I wouldn't worry about, I've got the pxe covered. It sounds like I might just be able to manually set the password using your suggestion
[21:54] <Tim> and if not, modify the preseed file via matsubara's suggestion
[21:55] <Tim> It took long enough to get MAAS and juju working
[21:55] <Tim> it would really suck if this was what killed it
[21:56] <AskUbuntu> MAAS Set password for node | http://askubuntu.com/q/356936
[21:56] <Tim> Yes, that was me
[21:56] <Tim> I asked that
[22:03] <Tim> Nik_: Damn, skips the GRUB screen during boot
[22:12] <Nik_> You can try hold shift I think
[22:13] <Nik_> though that may be  a no-go on ubuntu...
[22:13] <Nik_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/71867/grub-menu-doesnt-appear-when-pressing-shift
[22:14] <Nik_> :(
[22:20] <Tim_> Yeah, tried that
[22:20] <Tim_> either it wasn't passed via KVM, or it doesn't work
[22:47] <Tim_> Nik_: Thanks! that worked!
[23:06] <Nik_> Tim_: Glad to hear! Anyways, I'm off for today. Hopefully you get your all solved :)


[00:19] <jacob> BiosElement gilbert: sorry for missing, I had work until 6:45 today :/
[00:31] <dmcglone> Hi Unit193
[00:31] <dmcglone> whats up?
[00:36] <dmcglone> Did I miss the meeting?
[00:36] <jacob> dmcglone: has not started yet -- 8pm :)
[00:36] <dmcglone> Ah thanks :-)
[00:36] <dmcglone> Unit193 did you fall asleep?
[00:38] <dmcglone> nocash: about to rob the room? won't get much, we're all broke.. ;-)
[00:39] <nocash> charge it!
[00:40] <dmcglone> lol
[00:41] <nocash> just b
[00:54] <spwelton> hey all, heard there's a meeting in a few
[00:54] <jacob> you heard right
[00:54] <gilbert> greetings all :)
[00:55] <jacob> evenin' gilbert
[00:55] <spwelton> just got back from loco
[00:56] <gilbert> jacob: no problem, space was sparse
[00:57] <BiosElement> jacob: It's fine, we only had one spare seat anyway heh
[00:57] <cement_head> hello
[00:57] <jacob> :P
[00:57] <jacob> i still feel bad for missing these things
[00:58] <BiosElement> You'd have felt worse sitting under the table :P
[00:59] <jacob> hehe
[00:59] <dmcglone> jacob: I feel bad missing too, but thats life ;-)
[01:00] <jacob> indeed it is
[01:01] <canthus13> I'm here. sorta.
[01:01] <gilbert> so, jacob, do you want to lead the discussion?
[01:01] <cement_head> what's on the agenda?
[01:02] <jacob> gilbert: sure, I suppose, unless you've got things to talk about (I don't really. ;) )
[01:02] <gilbert> i don't have anything specific
[01:02] <thafreak> Ok. I'm here
[01:02]  * Cheri703 is here
[01:02] <tnseditor> hi everyone
[01:02] <Unit193> Hey tnseditor
[01:03] <jacob> First up, I suppose I'll bring up something SMK sent us
[01:03] <jacob> evening tnseditor
[01:03] <tnseditor> hi Unit193!
[01:03] <tnseditor> hi jacob :)
[01:04] <jacob> there's a bit of cash left over in the OLF pool - $57.21. what should be done with this? should it be saved for OLF 2011, donated somewhere, or used for something else?
[01:04] <JonathanD> save it, man.
[01:04] <gilch> i vote to save it for OLF 2011
[01:04] <tnseditor> saved is good :)
[01:04] <gilbert> i agree
[01:04] <JonathanD> 5721 pennies saved is 5721 pennies earned.
[01:04] <BiosElement> Save it heh
[01:04] <Cheri703> not trying to be greedy :D but in the spring sometime, I'm hoping to have a geek-nic of sorts here in mansfield, so if it could be tagged for "LoCo events" and not OLF specifically, that'd be good...
[01:04] <Cheri703> maybe?
[01:05] <jacob> my thoughts as well :)
[01:05] <JonathanD> Cheri703: a geeknic, eh? :)
[01:05] <Cheri703> yep, get as many people to a centralized location as possible
[01:05] <JonathanD> make sure you tell me so I can get it listed on the site...
[01:05] <jacob> I mean it is for LoCo events, so it can really be used when needed
[01:05] <Cheri703> I'm sort of in the middle
[01:05] <Cheri703> ok
[01:05] <JonathanD> geeknic.org, I mean
[01:06] <jacob> all right, so for the time being, we'll save it for OLF or other events, which we can figure out when the time comes. any other thoughts?
[01:06] <JonathanD> invest it in a high interest account. Then you'll have 5723 pennie.
[01:06] <JonathanD> *s
[01:07] <gilbert> hehe
[01:07] <tnseditor> :p
[01:07] <jacob> :D
[01:07] <gilbert> buy tacos for everyone in the loco?
[01:07] <tnseditor> :p
[01:07] <canthus13> Mmm... tacos.
[01:07] <tnseditor> omnomnomnom
[01:08] <jacob> Next up, then, is also from SMK
[01:08] <jacob> he mentions that we should fortify communication in the LoCo, to keep everyone connected.
[01:08] <cement_head> good idea
[01:09] <gilbert> any ideas on how we can do that better?
[01:09] <thafreak> how is this suggested?
[01:09] <jacob> Burning Circle, the Ohio podcast, is one way of getting the word out, and it's highly recommended that ReLoCo leads (or anyone) that want to spread information forward it to him
[01:09] <BiosElement> Magic? ;)
[01:09] <jacob> Magic indeed... :P
[01:09] <Cheri703> can we have a show of hands on who listens to the podcast? I'm not really a podcast person :/
[01:09] <BiosElement> I don't really see how it could be improved. As long as other reloco leads can contact their counterparts, it sounds pretty fortified to me
[01:10]  * canthus13 will do so if/when something of note happens in Toledo. :)
[01:10] <jacob> I listen on occasion -- it's a fairly short podcast :)
[01:10] <tnseditor> I haven't listened yet
[01:11] <jacob> (to be blunt, I'm not sure what can be improved with our existing infrastructure)
[01:11] <BiosElement> +1 to jacob
[01:11] <Cheri703> jacob: we could also have a "reloco report" section of the general meetings...
[01:11] <tnseditor> right :)
[01:11] <jacob> though the forum/mailing list disconnect does make some communication tricky, but there's not a whole lot that can be done at the moment about that.
[01:11] <BiosElement> Unless we send someone with an axe and force them to talk to each other
[01:11] <dmcglone> jacob: Was Paul Tag that good?
[01:11] <BiosElement> And then it'd just turn into knock-knock jokes >.>
[01:11] <jacob> Cheri703: I like the sound of that.
[01:11] <canthus13> Covert ops.
[01:12] <jacob> dmcglone: of course :D
[01:12] <canthus13> slip live CDs into every machine in Best Buy. :)
[01:13] <jacob> Anyway, that's something to think about: if you notice issues with getting the word out anywhere, let us know. and make use of the podcast; it is a useful thing!
[01:13] <gilbert> i do listen to the podcast.  i wonder if we could help get the word out about that a bit more
[01:13] <spwelton> where is the podcast?
[01:13] <jacob> we could also set up news reports or whatnot on the website, if people want that.
[01:13] <jacob> spwelton: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/burningcircle
[01:14] <spwelton> cool, bookmarked
[01:14] <gilbert> i think smk's concern is that he asks for feedback/call-ins from relocos, but no one every really does that
[01:14] <Cheri703> I'll try to make more of an effort to do so
[01:14] <jacob> ^
[01:15] <BiosElement> But then the point ramains, why call in if there's nothing new up? I think that's half the problem.
[01:15] <gilbert> perhaps we could send him email addresses so he can do a manual contact with everyone instead of just waiting for people to take the initiative on their own
[01:15] <gilch> i'm sorry. smk is?
[01:15] <tnseditor> Honestly, Lima hasn't met for half a year :\
[01:15] <gilbert> tnseditor: you're the lima lead?
[01:15] <tnseditor> yes
[01:15] <jacob> BiosElement: yeah, it's a fair point
[01:16] <tnseditor> but we haven't had a very good turn out and I've been busy
[01:16] <gilbert> smk is the guy who has been putting together the podcast
[01:16] <gilch> gotcha. thanks gilbert
[01:16] <gilbert> tnseditor: is there anyone in the area that you can tap to help out?
[01:17] <BiosElement> Maybe we should start handing out cd's or something on campus, get a tad more agressive with things. Already people recoginize the logo and comment to me pretty often. Just have to be a bit more proactive.
[01:17] <tnseditor> the only other person that's a user and has attended meetings is from Defiance
[01:17] <gilbert> tnseditor: it may be helpful to have a second-in-command in each area
[01:17] <jacob> (on a sidenote, Ubuntu is all I hear about from people in my CSE 360 class)
[01:17] <gilbert> BiosElement: i totally agree, we should be doing some proactive things like that
[01:17] <Cheri703> www.spreadubuntu.org is a good place to download printable cd covers and such
[01:17] <Cheri703> or flyers
[01:18] <BiosElement> Or both heh
[01:18] <jacob> Cheri703: +1
[01:18] <gilbert> BiosElement: doing it in spring time will be a lot better since ppl are out and about
[01:18] <BiosElement> In fact
[01:18] <dmcglone> Lets go door to door :P
[01:18] <BiosElement> We should get some flyers for every ubuntu hour at least
[01:18]  * Cheri703 made a little "circle of friends" sign for the table for our ubuntu hours, figure if someone recognizes it, they'll say hi
[01:18] <Cheri703> it doesn't have words, just the logo
[01:19]  * tnseditor just listened to the podcast.  It sounds good and professional :)
[01:19] <gilbert> Cheri703: cool.  it that a printed sign or just a paper print out?
[01:19]  * canthus13 has ubuntu stickers on his laptop, carries some of teh business cards with his google voice # on the back.
[01:19] <jacob> by the way, I've still got that Ubuntu Ohio sign and a teeny stack of buisness cards left -- let me know if you want to use them for an event
[01:19] <gilbert> tnseditor: smk actually does a really good job.  the problem is like no one knows about it
[01:19] <BiosElement> Stupid idea but
[01:19] <BiosElement> http://www.spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/your-free-alternative-v2-ink-saving
[01:19] <Cheri703> paper print-out on heavy paper, I folded it into sort of a tent card
[01:19] <BiosElement> ^Might be useful too
[01:19] <Cheri703> I can send you the file if you want, it's a pdf
[01:20] <gilbert> Cheri703: yeah, that would be great
[01:20] <Cheri703> just circle of friends, and for the back side, some lines for folding points
[01:20] <Cheri703> pm your email if you want it
[01:21] <Cheri703> jacob: let me know if you'd like a report on our loco :)
[01:22] <Cheri703> *reloco
[01:22]  * Cheri703 has a lot going on right this minute
[01:23] <jacob> Cheri703: if you want, send it to the council email, but no pressure. SMK might like it for the podcast, though ;)
[01:23] <Cheri703> ok
[01:23] <jacob> which, btw, we should probably publicize that council email somewhere.
[01:23] <cement_head> that poster is way cool
[01:23] <gilbert> jacob: perhaps we should give each of the loco leads to describe what they've been up to in their communities lately?
[01:23] <gilbert> jacob: and whether they need our help/feedback with anything
[01:24] <jacob> gilbert: yes, I like the sound of that
[01:24] <cement_head> I was thinking of getting an "install fest" happing in Oxford, OH
[01:24] <cement_head> Home to Miami University (~15,000 students)
[01:24] <cement_head> and the general public
[01:24] <jacob> that's certainly an idea
[01:25] <cement_head> maybe at a local coffee shop?
[01:25] <cement_head> Has anyone tried something like this before?
[01:25] <cement_head> like in Columbus at OSU?
[01:25] <jacob> there's a page on the wiki about install fests with some tips, i'll try to dig that up real quick
[01:25] <Cheri703> cement_head: if you're doing an install-fest, you might want to do it somewhere that is inclusive for people without laptops...just a thought
[01:25] <cement_head> great, thanks
[01:25] <gilbert> cement_head: we haven't really done an "installfest" in columbus
[01:25] <cement_head> right
[01:25] <jacob> there was one somewhere around here if I recall correctly
[01:26] <jacob> might not have been recently
[01:26] <Cheri703> I would like to get some more people who are interested, but not using ubuntu (at least a few) before attempting one up here. people just don't know what it is to know if they want to install it
[01:26] <dmcglone> gilbert: I would definitely try to make it to one
[01:27] <gilbert> jacob: it may be something to try since we've got lots of people at the university.  i've got the open source club president's approval to flyer up the university for our stuff also
[01:28] <jacob> gilbert: yeah, I agree, it's probably a good thing to try
[01:28] <tnseditor> hi itsafork.  Are you a relative of sporks or foons?
[01:28] <Cheri703> I'd think if doing an install-fest that you'd need a. lots of plugs, and b. wired internet available (or at least the capability to bridge wireless/wired on some of the laptops)
[01:28] <tnseditor> :P
[01:28] <Cheri703> many people can't get internet til wifi driver is installed...
[01:28] <Cheri703> perhaps not with 10.10 though
[01:28] <cement_head> several people have put UNR on their netbook and ditched the crippled M$ W7 install
[01:28] <itsafork> hey guys, sorry i'm late
[01:28] <dmcglone> Thats true Cheri703
[01:29] <cement_head> does 10.10 have wifi issues?
[01:29] <cement_head> 10.04 seemed pretty solid
[01:29] <jacob> yes, wire access and power are the main things
[01:29] <jacob> well Broadcom is still pretty shaky
[01:29] <dmcglone> My laptop takes the proprietary driver thats not included on the CD
[01:29] <cement_head> I was thinking of using 10.04
[01:29] <Cheri703> ok, unless you can bridge the connections, a coffee shop might not be the best idea :/
[01:29] <itsafork> i've heard of a number of people having issues with wifi drivers in 10.10
[01:29] <Cheri703> with 10.04 you have to install the drivers
[01:29] <cement_head> Yeah, maybe a room at the University that has ethernet
[01:30] <itsafork> but primarily only with HP tablet pcs
[01:30] <cement_head> or, a coffee shop at the university....
[01:30] <cement_head> OR,....a bar at the university....YEAH
[01:30] <cement_head> well, maybe not
[01:30] <cement_head> got a bit excited
[01:30]  * Cheri703 is against activities at bars
[01:30] <jacob> :P
[01:30] <Cheri703> if people want to drink, go do it after
[01:31] <Cheri703> half of our last ubuntu hour were people under 18 :/
[01:31] <Cheri703> so...that wouldn't be real inclusive
[01:31] <Unit193> Less then half...
[01:31] <Cheri703> and I have a few friends who are young moms who use it (not locally) and they can't bring their kids
[01:31] <cement_head> easy, it was a joke
[01:31] <cement_head> i'm not going to a bar to use a computer
[01:32] <Cheri703> some people have ubuntu hours at pubs
[01:32] <cement_head> really?  where?
[01:32] <gilbert> Cheri703: the uk
[01:32] <itsafork> mostly in europe
[01:32] <cement_head> ahh....civilisation
[01:32] <jacob> where the age issue isn't an issue
[01:32] <Cheri703> I've heard of some in the US too, maybe not the GENERAL ones, but they do have them
[01:33] <Cheri703> Unit193: a significant portion
[01:33] <itsafork> i have heard of a few ubuntu hours out in california being held in pubs
[01:33] <cement_head> anyway, maybe there's a CUG (Cincy User Group) that'd help out
[01:34] <cement_head> anyone from Cincy here?
[01:34] <jacob> location is the main hurdle, once that's figured out the rest is much easier
[01:34] <cement_head> I'll work on that and post to the listserv
[01:34] <gilbert> so, its certainly something we can try here in columbus in the next few months
[01:35] <jacob> cement_head: send an email to the mailing list if you can't find anyone, I'm sure there are some people out there willing to help you out
[01:35] <gilbert> and we can spread a how to to the rest of the state to try out as well
[01:35] <cement_head> send me the link to the install-fest wiki if you find it
[01:35] <jacob> righto
[01:35] <cement_head> okay
[01:35] <cement_head> got to go
[01:35] <cement_head> cu all
[01:35] <jacob> cement_head: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallFest
[01:36] <jacob> d'oh, too soon.
[01:36] <gilbert> Cheri703: the feedback :)
[01:36] <Cheri703> ?
[01:36] <jacob> though... the page looks to be blanked...
[01:36] <itsafork> i can always find us a few pubs to try holding ubuntu hours at if you guys are really interested in doing that
[01:36] <itsafork> in c-bus that is
[01:37] <dmcglone> itsafork, we already have it at panera
[01:37] <jacob> itsafork: i'm not strictly opposed to having them in pubs, but it does impose a perceived age barrier
[01:37] <gilbert> itsafork: there are lots of bars in cbus, but i don't think they guys here are really into that type of environment when it comes to ubuntu
[01:38] <dmcglone> I'm not gilbert
[01:38] <dmcglone> No bars here
[01:38]  * Cheri703 wouldn't go...
[01:38] <Cheri703> :/
[01:38] <Cheri703> panera is working well for us so far in mansfield
[01:38]  * Unit193 Couldn't go
[01:39] <Cheri703> though table space will be an issue if we get any more people. I might have to go early to stake out the big table
[01:39] <jacob> Panera's a nice environment and location, it's just been pretty crowded this year
[01:39] <dmcglone> It would be nice to have the meets somewhere away from the hectic campus
[01:39] <gilbert> yeah, i like panera, its a good environment: food, free wifi, etc
[01:39] <itsafork> just for the record, i was referring to 'pubs' not 'bars'. pub's are at least 18+.
[01:40] <jacob> there are some places on the columbus south campus gateway as well, though off the top of my head they'd likely be just as crowded
[01:40] <gilbert> jacob: yeah, i've been thinking the same thing.  last year we never had problems finding a place to sit, now we are lucky to get a little table
[01:40] <dmcglone> Tim Hortons is good too
[01:40] <itsafork> also, i'm catching a few things here, so i think for the time being, we will stear away from both pubs & bars for hosting ubunut hours
[01:40] <Cheri703> mansfield doesn't have tim horton's :(
[01:40] <jacob> :o
[01:40] <tnseditor> We're finally getting one and a Cold Stone in the same building
[01:40] <dmcglone> I take my laptop to TH a lot
[01:40] <Cheri703> it makes me sad
[01:41] <gilbert> itsafork: i wouldn't take anything off the table.  it should be up to the reloco leads how/where they want to have their meetings
[01:41]  * Cheri703 loves their cruller donuts
[01:41] <jacob> gilbert: +1
[01:41] <tnseditor> how are their prices?
[01:41] <dmcglone> lol Cheri703 I'll send you one in the mail
[01:41] <jacob> tnseditor: reasonable, I think.
[01:41] <itsafork> gilbert: that's a really good point, thank you
[01:41] <dmcglone> ;-)
[01:41] <tnseditor> jacob: good
[01:41] <tnseditor> :p
[01:41] <jacob> in fact, I think it's a little better value than Panera, if you're going for that type of food
[01:41] <gilbert> ok, do we have any more items on the agenda to move on to?
[01:42] <jacob> gilbert: none here
[01:42] <dmcglone> I just want to say location
[01:42] <Cheri703> I'd like to quickly report on our ReLoCo, if possible
[01:42] <gilbert> ok, so i wanted to ask if anyone (reloco leads other members) what they want/need from the council?
[01:43] <gilbert> what can we do better to make this a great community?
[01:43] <dmcglone> location change :-)
[01:43] <gilbert> Cheri703: go ahead while others ponder my questions
[01:43] <Cheri703> well, we went from one person, to two people, to 3 people, to 5 at the last one :) I've been telling people, and I have run out of Ubuntu-Ohio business cards...
[01:44] <Cheri703> so we're gaining a wee bit of momentum :)
[01:44] <gilbert> thats great Cheri703!  jacob has some more business cards and so do i
[01:44] <gilbert> thats awesome to hear
[01:44] <Cheri703> I might just print up some on my own. I have business card blanks
[01:45] <Cheri703> if someone could scan one or send me what the text says, I can create an equivalent
[01:45] <jacob> I've got about 100 cards left at home, and can always order more
[01:45] <itsafork> dmcglone: how so? should we all move to the Bahamas?!?
[01:45] <Cheri703> ah, ok
[01:45] <Cheri703> itsafork: I think he's referring to parking/ease of access
[01:45] <Cheri703> if anyone wanted to send me some, I'd be appreciative :)
[01:45] <jacob> Cheri703: I can send you the template, if you want that
[01:45] <Cheri703> ok, yeah, that'd be great
[01:46] <dmcglone> itsafork: somewhere off OSU campus
[01:46] <canthus13> Teh bahamas sounds good right about now.
[01:46]  * Cheri703 @gmail.com
[01:48] <gilbert> are there any other reloco leads here that would like to give a brief update on whats going on in their area?
[01:50] <itsafork> hey everyone,  what about the Cup O' Joe in Clintonville for ubuntu hours???
[01:50]  * thafreak is Akron Lead (atleast the last time I checked)
[01:50] <itsafork> for the c-bus ubuntu hour that is
[01:50] <gilbert> hey thafreak, what's been going on up there lately?
[01:50] <thafreak> Sadly, nothing to report for akron...I just finished school mid december...then holidays...so I'm just now getting un busy
[01:51] <gilbert> thafreak: well, let us know if you need help with anything
[01:51] <thafreak> I'd like to try to do some outreach with the local LUGs though...
[01:51] <thafreak> I know some people from akron lug, and there used to be one here in Medina county too...
[01:51] <thafreak> the mclug
[01:52] <thafreak> (not a sandwich)
[01:52]  * Cheri703 recently found out that there's an active LUG in mansfield, but it might meet on similar nights as the ubuntu hours :/ and when I was searching a while back, there was no sign of it
[01:52] <gilbert> itsafork: osu is really convenient, but we could try heading up there at some point.  we could maybe use a change from the routine
[01:52] <thafreak> Yeah, local lugs can be hard to get ahold of sometimes!
[01:52] <dmcglone> There is an active LUG here in columbus that I attend every so often
[01:53] <dmcglone> COLUG
[01:53] <jacob> Cheri703: sent
[01:53] <Cheri703> kk
[01:54] <gilbert> ok, so any thoughts on feedback for the council? what can we do to make ubuntu ohio great?
[01:55] <Cheri703> I think getting people together more often than just OLF (getting multiple relocos together), hence why I want to have a gathering in the spring
[01:55] <thafreak> ninjas
[01:55] <tnseditor> Cheri703:  sounds good :)
[01:55] <thafreak> yeah, that sounds fun too
[01:55] <Cheri703> the local groups know each other, but if people don't participate in the forum or irc, then they don't know OTHER people
[01:56] <Cheri703> *outside the reloco
[01:56] <jacob> good point
[01:56] <itsafork> Cheri703: good point
[01:56] <thafreak> I agree, I think some statewide gatherings besides OLF would be awesome
[01:56] <gilbert> Cheri703: that would be awesome.  we could also try a loco trip to another loco
[01:57] <Cheri703> yeah gilbert, I do think the ubuntu-pilgrimage idea would be helpful, just have to prime the area for it first :)
[01:57] <gilbert> like columbus could visit mansfield on the weekend
[01:57] <gilbert> well for an afternoon on the weekend, not all weekend
[01:57] <dmcglone> why don't we plan an event where all the Ohio ubuntu locos meet
[01:57] <Cheri703> yeah, that sort of thing for an install-fest or a "hand out flyers" day would be awesome, having extra hands
[01:58] <Cheri703> dmcglone: that'll be at my house :) if everyone can make it to mansfield
[01:58] <Cheri703> though it'll be a distance for the southern relocos
[01:58] <dmcglone> it's got to be in the center of Ohio :-)
[01:58] <dmcglone> that way it not such a long drive for everyone
[01:58] <Cheri703> so perhaps have regional ones (north/south) and then a BIG one? dunno
[01:58] <dmcglone> but only like once a year
[01:59] <canthus13> Hmm. If it's on a Saturday, we could probably make it.
[01:59] <dmcglone> most everyone makes it to OLF right
[01:59] <jacob> I think so
[02:00] <dmcglone> I mean it could be an OLF but only consisting of well.. Us
[02:00] <dmcglone> lol
[02:00] <canthus13> OUF?
[02:00] <jacob> it's definitely an idea
[02:00] <dmcglone> OUF sounds like a good name
[02:01] <gilbert> that was kind of done the day before OLF
[02:01] <itsafork> i like the sound of OUF
[02:01] <Cheri703> Perhaps in the first half of the year, there could be a northern/southern thing, then the ubu-con at OLF?
[02:01] <itsafork> & maybe even try getting some of our neighbor states involved too!
[02:01] <dmcglone> Cheri703: what about the east/west?
[02:02] <gilbert> itsafork: except for michigan of course ;)
[02:02] <dmcglone> lol gilbert
[02:02] <itsafork> lol
[02:02] <Cheri703> well, spanning across (I drive to lima ALL the time, I guess I don't see it as that long a drive :/ )
[02:03] <dmcglone> well I think if we could find a meeting place in the middle of the state, it would work pretty good
[02:03] <gilbert> well, its been about an hour, so we should try to wrap this up.  any final thoughts/feedback?
[02:04] <itsafork> OLF is in september, what if we tried to have OUF in March???
[02:04] <dmcglone> sounds good tome
[02:05] <tnseditor> sounds pretty good :)
[02:05] <dmcglone> warm weather, road trip... Hmmm
[02:05] <dmcglone> I'm all for it
[02:05] <jacob> +1
[02:05] <gilbert> seems reasonable; although thats a bit soon (in terms of finding space for it)
[02:05] <gilbert> and it might be a bit better if it were a warmer month
[02:05] <dmcglone> gilbert, any restaurant would be happy to see us coming
[02:05] <itsafork> gilbert: good point, warmer is better
[02:05] <Cheri703> dmcglone: you'd want plugs/wifi available
[02:06] <Cheri703> and I think not basing it around food would probably be good...
[02:06] <jacob> let's reserve the convention center! (kidding, that's expensive.)
[02:06] <Cheri703> maybe, I dunno
[02:06] <Cheri703> have food, but not AT a food location
[02:06] <dmcglone> McDonalds, Tim Hortons, Wendys take your pick
[02:06] <gilbert> what would the format be?  just like a big ubuntu hour?  like an ubuntu dinner?
[02:06] <gilbert> presentations, or just discussion?
[02:06] <Cheri703> well, my thing will be pretty casual
[02:06] <dmcglone> one huge ubuntu 2 hours
[02:06] <gilbert> haha dmcglone
[02:07] <paultag> that would be tit
[02:07] <dmcglone> everything gilbert
[02:07] <paultag> ss
[02:07] <Cheri703> gilbert: I'd lean away from being at a business
[02:07] <paultag> hello, world
[02:07] <tnseditor> hi paultag
[02:07] <Cheri703> hey paultag
[02:07] <paultag> heyya tnseditor, Cheri703
[02:07] <jacob> heya paultag
[02:07] <gilbert> hey paultag!
[02:07] <paultag> hayya jacob, gilbert <3
[02:07] <dmcglone> Hi paultag
[02:07] <gilbert> you totally missed the meeting :(
[02:07] <paultag> howdy dmcglone!
[02:07] <paultag> gilbert: dude, I know! Sorry!
[02:07] <itsafork> i think maybe have it like ubucon, talks with a little bit of open discussoins
[02:07] <paultag> gilbert: I tried to get back, but my g'ma needed some help
[02:08] <itsafork> paultag: where did you come from?!?
[02:08] <Cheri703> do we have any "no, absolutely not" locations?
[02:08] <paultag> itsafork: ....my mom?
[02:08] <itsafork> paultag: lol
[02:08] <Cheri703> I can ask around for venues in cbus, want somewhere that we could set up tables/plugs perhaps? dunno
[02:08] <dmcglone> Cheri703: White Castle is out of the question, they make me fart! LOL
[02:08] <tnseditor> hhahahaha
[02:09] <gilbert> panera's usually have a meeting room that you can reserve
[02:09] <itsafork> dmcglone: agree!
[02:09] <gilbert> although the one at osu doesn't
[02:09] <Cheri703> ours doesn't...
[02:09] <itsafork> gilbert: will that be large enough???
[02:09] <tnseditor> both of ours don't
[02:09] <dmcglone> even libraries have wi-fi don't they?
[02:09] <gilbert> a library may be good
[02:09] <Unit193> How about at dmcglone's house? ;)
[02:09] <itsafork> dmcglone: some do, some don't
[02:09] <dmcglone> and libraries have private rooms I think
[02:10] <dmcglone> Unit193 come on down :-)
[02:10] <Cheri703> gilbert: Columbus main library has meeting rooms, and a parking garage that isn't stupid expensive
[02:10] <Cheri703> Unit193: we can carpool
[02:10] <gilbert> Cheri703: is that downtown?
[02:10] <Cheri703> yeah
[02:10] <dmcglone> Cheri703: but it has to be in the middle of the state
[02:10] <itsafork> Cheri703: GREAT POINT!!!
[02:11] <gilbert> Cheri703: kinda sad that i don't know that since i've lived here so long
[02:11]  * Cheri703 hearts the main library
[02:11] <Cheri703> dmcglone: columbus main library
[02:11] <dmcglone> gilbert: no the main lib is not downtown
[02:11] <Cheri703> it's right next to grant hospital
[02:11] <Cheri703> = downtown to me
[02:11] <dmcglone> it's off of broad st west of downtown
[02:11] <Cheri703> like 2 blocks west
[02:11] <thafreak> Just to be extra nerdy, some one should find the gps coords of the EXACT center of ohio
[02:11] <itsafork> dmcglone: it's by the corner of Grant Ave. & Oak St.
[02:11] <dmcglone> 2?
[02:11] <paultag> thafreak: haahahha
[02:11] <dmcglone> nah more like 2 miles
[02:12] <Cheri703> well, a few blocks from high/broad
[02:12] <thafreak> even if it's the middle of a freeway, we should all meet there
[02:12] <gilbert> dmcglone: thats pretty close to downtown (at least what i consider downtown)
[02:12] <paultag> thafreak: and go there, just like the random farm in the "middle" of the USA
[02:12] <canthus13> thafreak: Shoulda known someone in here already would have done that.
[02:12] <dmcglone> gilbert: it's across the street from grant hospital
[02:12] <Cheri703> about 10 min from OSU, 15 with traffic. I can make it from there (slightly south of there actually) to microcenter in 15 min
[02:12] <thafreak> anyone know where the precise (as possible) center of the state is?
[02:12] <canthus13> Newark is almost the exact center.
[02:13] <dmcglone> thafreak: I'm checking
[02:13] <dmcglone> ;-)
[02:13] <thafreak> newark you say eh...
[02:13] <gilbert> paultag: that would be awesome, just show up at some random farm land and sit around with our computers and talk.  that would be fun
[02:13] <paultag> gilbert: dude, for sure
[02:13] <paultag> gilbert: I'd come down for that, no doubt
[02:13] <dmcglone> Newark is due east
[02:13] <itsafork> canthus13: but newarks.... far away :(    lol
[02:14] <dmcglone> haha gilbert
[02:14] <canthus13> itsafork: Yeah, well.. I'm in Toledo. Everything is kinda far away.
[02:15] <gilbert> so, i gotta run in a few.  anything else we need to wrap up?
[02:15] <Cheri703> http://ebranch-prod.columbuslibrary.org/ebranch/index.cfm?pageid=210
[02:15] <dmcglone> me and gilbert is in columbus, Umm pretty much in the center of ohio... lol
[02:15] <Cheri703> do we think we'd have more than 30 people?
[02:16] <dmcglone> Cheri703: probably not at first
[02:16] <itsafork> Cheri703: well are we going to invite the neighbor loco's???
[02:16] <gilbert> Cheri703: i doubt it
[02:16] <Cheri703> open to all of ohio
[02:16] <gilbert> itsafork: we'll invite anyone/everyone that would be interested
[02:16] <itsafork> 30 sounds pretty reasonable
[02:16] <Cheri703> there's one room at the main library that is 30 people, one that is 200, not really any in-between there
[02:17] <canthus13> You can fit 200 people in the 30 room, I'm sure.  Just gotta be friendly and wear deodorant.
[02:17] <Cheri703> decent amenities too, if you look, there's a fridge, microwave, lcd projector, tv/dvd player
[02:17] <Cheri703> so we could definitely provide snackies
[02:17] <gilbert> Cheri703: 30 is good
[02:17] <Cheri703> and/or have presentations
[02:17] <itsafork> canthus13: i agree, personal space is soo over rated
[02:18] <canthus13> mmm.. tokyo subways...
[02:18] <Cheri703> ok, the room can be reserved up to 4 months in advance, so if we decided on a few possible dates, we can try to reserve it
[02:18] <dmcglone> itsafork: I like my personal space ;-)
[02:18] <dmcglone> Cheri703: is there a cost?
[02:18] <gilbert> i would say April at the earliest
[02:18] <gilbert> dmcglone: you've already paid it compulsively
[02:19] <gilbert> dmcglone: libraries are paid for out of local taxes
[02:19] <Cheri703> doesn't look like it
[02:19] <Cheri703> and it does say you can't be disruptive ;)
[02:19] <itsafork> gilbert: agreed, april is the soonest we'd be able to succesfully plan something like this
[02:19] <dmcglone> True, but some charge for their rooms
[02:19] <paultag> dmcglone: not for community orgs, usually
[02:20] <paultag> only companies and such
[02:20] <dmcglone> paultag: cool
[02:20] <dmcglone> I didn't know that
[02:20] <paultag> taxes rule, dude
[02:20] <dmcglone> the library around the corner from my house has a charge for their conference room
[02:21] <Cheri703> on 4/23, the main auditorium (200 people) is open all day, the 30 person room is open after 1pm
[02:21] <itsafork> dmcglone: sounds like a not-so-fun library
[02:21] <paultag> dmcglone: usually public libraries will do it at no cost to community groups
[02:21] <Cheri703> (as of now, might fill up quickly)
[02:21] <Cheri703> since the other saturdays are taken
[02:21] <Cheri703> on 4/30 the 30 person room is available all day
[02:21] <gilbert> Cheri703: so, lets reserve it and plan on that
[02:21] <Cheri703> which?
[02:21] <gilbert> Cheri703: i'd say a half day is long enough
[02:21] <Cheri703> which half
[02:22] <dmcglone> lol
[02:22] <gilbert> later half
[02:22] <paultag> +1
[02:22] <jacob> :P
[02:22] <Cheri703> ok, so 4/23?
[02:22] <itsafork> later half sounds good!
[02:22] <gilbert> which day does 11.04 come out?
[02:22] <Cheri703> does someone in columbus want to reserve it?
[02:22]  * Cheri703 isn't really there much these days
[02:22] <paultag> gilbert: usually the 3th
[02:22] <paultag> 30th
[02:22] <gilbert> Cheri703: you can do it on that page, right?
[02:22] <Cheri703> the link I'd posted earlier
[02:22] <Cheri703> yes
[02:22] <gilbert> so the 30th seems like a good date then?
[02:23] <Cheri703> we could go for the 30th, have a release party?
[02:23] <canthus13> the 3th?
[02:23] <canthus13> :)
[02:23] <gilbert> yeah after party for the release
[02:23]  * Cheri703 isn't sure she wants to be RESPONSIBLE for the room :)
[02:23] <paultag> gilbert: let me check the release cal
[02:23] <canthus13> If it's like most releases, it'll release sometime around 11:58pm.
[02:23] <Cheri703> can't check may yet, 5 months out
[02:23] <gilbert> canthus13: 11:58 the day before?
[02:23] <canthus13> gilbert: the day of.
[02:24] <gilbert> canthus13: so they do it at the last minute
[02:24] <paultag> gilbert: Cheri703: April 28th
[02:24] <paultag> we're early this year
[02:24] <canthus13> Every 6 months, people poke ubottu, asking if it's out all day on release day.
[02:24] <Cheri703> ok, so then the 30th would be good
[02:24] <Cheri703> gilbert: http://ebranch-prod.columbuslibrary.org/ebranch/index.cfm?pageid=210
[02:24] <Cheri703> you can reserve from there
[02:24] <jacob> except 10.10, which was 10/10/10 10:10:10 UTC.
[02:24] <Cheri703> or someone on the council :)
[02:25] <paultag> +1 making the council do work
[02:25] <paultag> god that feels good to say
[02:25] <dmcglone> Firefox Users: This software is not compatible with Firefox version 3.6  or higher.  Use Internet Explorer, or older versions of Firefox, or any  other browsers to reserve a room online or call<PHONE_NUMBER> to reserve  by phone.
[02:25] <Cheri703> it was letting me get in there
[02:25] <paultag> dmcglone: dude, pwned
[02:25] <itsafork> paultag: ok
[02:25] <Cheri703> I don't know that it WORKS works, but it was letting mein
[02:25] <Cheri703> *me in
[02:25] <paultag> <3 itsafork
[02:26] <itsafork> i'll reserver it, but that means that at least all of have to show up!!!
[02:26]  * dmcglone can't call so I can't do it unless I go over there. I'll do it if anyone isn't willing to call and reserve
[02:26] <itsafork> & bring friends
[02:26] <gilbert> hmm, maybe we should decide now who is going to be responsible for organizing this since it seems to be a group idea
[02:26] <dmcglone> I'll definitely be there itsafork
[02:26] <gilbert> i wonder if Jon would be interested since he was instrumental in putting together ubucon
[02:27] <Cheri703> I'll help from here if at all possible
[02:27] <itsafork> i am more than happy to HELP organize it, but i will eventually need some help with the details
[02:28] <dmcglone> I will help with anything I can
[02:28]  * BiosElement is back >.>
[02:28] <Cheri703> perhaps someone can go scout out the room, check out logistics and such. it did say that tables/chairs are available, but the group is responsible for setup/tear-down, so reserve time on either side for that
[02:28] <itsafork> gilbert: jacob: i'm hoping i can count on you guys as well!!!!
[02:28] <gilbert> ok, we'll have a conversation within the council to decide how to organize this and we'll send out info later
[02:28] <jacob> itsafork: unless something catastrophic happens, i'll be there :)
[02:29] <gilbert> ok, so we have Cheri703 and itsafork as volunteers we can count on.  anyone else want to help out?
[02:29] <jacob> gilbert: sounds good :)
[02:29] <Cheri703> I think release party/install-fest/gathering
[02:29] <dmcglone> jacob: we're gonna have a really bad snow storm that day
[02:29] <jacob> dmcglone: sweet
[02:29] <Cheri703> so perhaps some tables set up in one corner where people can install, an area for chatting, and perhaps some small group discussion topics planned?
[02:29] <itsafork> jacob: Cheri703: dmcglone: gilbert: thanks guys!!!
[02:29]  * Cheri703 is just throwing out ideas
[02:30] <paultag> I can give a smallish talk about something fun, if I can plan ahead and make sure I get down in time
[02:30] <Cheri703> not sure just HOW big the room is
[02:30] <Unit193> If I can go I can help with setup/takedown
[02:30] <dmcglone> I'll go scout the room tomorrow
[02:31] <paultag> dmcglone: mind taking photos?
[02:31] <paultag> just with a phone or something
[02:31] <paultag> then we can doodle on them
[02:31] <Cheri703> it's the 3rd floor meeting room (or something like that)
[02:31] <dmcglone> I was about to suggest that, but doesn't that seem a little odd.. LOL
[02:31] <itsafork> paultag: can i hold you to that?????
[02:31] <paultag> hahaha
[02:31] <paultag> itsafork: a talk or doodling on photos?
[02:32] <jacob> hehe
[02:32] <paultag> I'll doodle up and down on this joint
[02:32] <itsafork> paultag: either?
[02:32] <gilbert> ok everybody, i gotta take off.  good meeting :)
[02:32] <paultag> itsafork: I'll do my 100% best. It's going to take some baby-making because that's either finals of my last semester at uni or graduation
[02:32] <tnseditor> talk to you later :)
[02:32] <paultag> gilbert: Thanks so much!  How's the PHP coming these days?
[02:34] <dmcglone> great, I've been doing a lot of writing lately
[02:34] <paultag> killer!
[02:34] <paultag> One sec, I need to get my chargetr
[02:34] <paultag> charger *
[02:34] <dmcglone> I'm building a site for Cheri703's friend
[02:35] <itsafork> dmcglone: i hate building sites, more power to ya!
[02:35] <dmcglone> why itsafork?
[02:35] <dmcglone> I love it
[02:36] <jacob> I love building sites... but not really in PHP ;)
[02:36] <dmcglone> PHP RULES!!!
[02:36] <dmcglone> ;-)
[02:36] <BiosElement> PHP just fails ;P
[02:36]  * BiosElement ducks behind flame wall
[02:36] <itsafork> dmcglone: just never had much luck/ skill at it
[02:36] <jacob> Python+Django, Ruby+Rails, etc > PHP
[02:37] <BiosElement> Python+Pyramid > Python+Django > PHP > Ruby+Rauls > C
[02:37] <BiosElement> ;)
[02:37] <jacob> though PHP is a necessary evil, using it at work
[02:37] <dmcglone> Aw now come on people, admit it PHP RULES ;-)
[02:37] <jacob> BiosElement: who uses C for web development? :P
[02:37] <dmcglone> jacob: I do
[02:38] <dmcglone> lol
[02:38] <dmcglone> Actually, I use 2 better called C++
[02:38] <itsafork> i don't know dmcglone, there aren't any vowels in the word, lol
[02:38] <jacob> dmcglone: how so? curious, I've really never seen it used online (excluding software libraries)
[02:38]  * Cheri703 has all 4 dogs in the living room
[02:38] <Cheri703> generally we only bring in a few at a time
[02:39] <dmcglone> jacob: yup, thats what makes me GOOD! lol
[02:39] <BiosElement> jacob: Well I can name a few
[02:39] <jacob> ah, well C++ makes a _little_ more sense. C, though...
[02:39] <jacob> and no, web servers don't count. I know that's C. :P
[02:39] <BiosElement> jacob: C++ 'is' C with some added crap heh
[02:40] <jacob> BiosElement: yes, but they're functionally different in many ways
[02:40] <itsafork> BiosElement: jacob: very true.
[02:40] <dmcglone> My main languages are PHP, mysql with PEAR and SMARTY
[02:40] <BiosElement> jacob: No debate there heh
[02:41] <dmcglone> C++ is C on steroids
[02:42] <jacob> anyway, i'm not about to get into a programming language holywar. ;) i'm signing off; need to work on some papers due tomorrow.
[02:42] <BiosElement> hah later jacob
[02:42] <jacob> later all
[02:42] <dmcglone> later jacob
[02:42] <tnseditor> adios
[02:42] <dmcglone> I'm about to hop in the shower
[02:42] <itsafork> hey guys i'm going to sign off as well, later!
[02:43] <Unit193> dmcglone: Don't take your computer with you!
[02:43] <dmcglone> BiosElement: you know the routine, gonna get my laptop and take it upstairs
[02:43] <dmcglone> lol
[02:43] <BiosElement> dmcglone: Fail ;P
[02:43] <dmcglone> lol Unit19
[02:44] <dmcglone> I'll be back in about 30 minutes :-)
[02:47] <thafreak> wait...what's all this talk?
[02:47] <thafreak> My first web stuff was written in C!
[02:47] <BiosElement> lol
[02:47] <BiosElement> Don't ask me
[02:47] <thafreak> a little thing called CGI
[02:47] <BiosElement> I think it's kinda dumb to do web in C
[02:47] <BiosElement> Servers don't count >.>
[02:47] <thafreak> not servers
[02:47] <thafreak> CGI programs...
[02:48] <thafreak> apache runs them...
[02:48] <thafreak> I wrote C first...
[02:48] <thafreak> then, later, wrote a C++ class to make it easy to write CGI bins...
[02:48] <thafreak> then some one showed me perl...then shortly thereafter (a few days), some one showed me php...
[02:49] <thafreak> needless to say, I didn't do much more C/C++ web dev :)
[02:49] <thafreak> oh, and it was when php 3 was brand new...
[03:05] <dmcglone1> back
[03:18] <Unit193> welcome back dmcglone1
[03:26] <dmcglone1> and I'm about to turn in for the night
[03:26] <dmcglone1> lol
[03:27] <Unit193> undo welcome back
[03:27] <dmcglone1> LOL
[03:27] <dmcglone1> It'll be around 11 when I go
[03:28] <dmcglone1> gotta get my beauty sleep. A lot of it. have you seen how ugly I am these days?
[03:28] <dmcglone1> ;-)
[03:28] <Unit193> Nope, the camera would break...
[03:29] <Unit193> I'm hoping to go to the c-bus ting...
[03:29] <dmcglone1> I hope to see you there
[03:29] <Unit193> Better then breaking another camera...
[03:30] <dmcglone1> lol
[03:31] <dmcglone1> I live pretty close  to the library it'll be held at
[03:31] <Unit193> Need shirts with SN on them...
[03:59] <dmcglone1> Ok I'm out. G'night everyone
[03:59] <Unit193> Have a nice one dmcglone1
[14:19] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:19] <Cheri703> hello
[14:22] <canthus13> Good morning.
[14:36] <Cheri703> canthus13: crazy boss strikes again
[15:16] <cprofitt> hey... can anyone tell me about Notacon?
[15:17] <canthus13> ChanServ: oh?
[15:18] <cprofitt> yes, its in OH
[15:19] <cprofitt> well... Cleveland if OH still claims it
[15:19] <cprofitt> http://www.notacon.org/
[15:19] <cprofitt> :-)
[15:19] <canthus13> ...
[15:19] <cprofitt> JonathanD: what channels are you not in?
[15:23] <JonathanD> Ummm...
[15:23] <JonathanD> I'm not sure ;)
[15:23] <JonathanD> cprofitt: I'm in fewer than 120 channels.
[15:24] <JonathanD> Out of 33,000. :)
[15:26] <cprofitt> hmm...
[15:26] <cprofitt> must just be many of the same channels I am in
[15:26] <cprofitt> JonathanD: you been to notacon?
[15:26] <JonathanD> nope
[15:26] <cprofitt> I feel the need for geekery... computer geekery...
[15:26] <JonathanD> cprofitt: I'm in a lot of ubuntu and lug channels.
[15:26] <JonathanD> as are you
[15:26]  * cprofitt nods
[15:27] <cprofitt> we follow the same path my friend
[15:27] <JonathanD> thats where all the fun stuff happens
[15:27] <JonathanD> and also the best place to get people to come over for dinner
[15:28] <cprofitt> lol
[15:28] <cprofitt> dinner...
[15:28] <cprofitt> yum
[16:56] <JonathanD> indeed.
[20:02] <Unit193> Bloody firefox...
[20:08] <thafreak> canthus13: weren't you talking about the girl with the dragon tattoo a while back?
[20:15] <canthus13> Yep. great movie.
[20:59] <dmcglone> Hi all :-)
[21:00] <Unit193> dmcglone
[21:00] <dmcglone> yeah?
[21:00] <Unit193> wrong context, hope your having a better one then I am...
[21:01] <dmcglone> I'm relieved today!
[21:01] <dmcglone> Unit193 go look at the completed site
[21:02] <Unit193> Too pissed off right now...
[21:02] <dmcglone> better to be pissed off than pissed on ;-)
[21:04] <Unit193> The site starts out a bit kookey
[21:05] <dmcglone> what do ya mean?
[21:06] <Unit193> Loads all the things it switchs around at once
[21:07] <dmcglone> is it like jerking around?
[21:10] <Unit193> only at first load... (not sure jerking is the right word)
[21:10] <dmcglone> just slow right?
[21:10] <Unit193> Know anyway to restore a FF session?
[21:11] <dmcglone> You can't unless it was saved
[21:11] <Unit193> loads all the pics at once... don't know how else to put it
[21:11] <dmcglone> I see
[21:11] <Unit193> it *was* saved....
[21:11] <Unit193> "saved"
[21:12] <dmcglone> have you tried closing firefox and opening it back up?
[21:13] <Unit193> Yes, been at this for about the last hour....
[21:13] <dmcglone> sounds like your session wasn't saved like it should have been
[21:13] <Unit193> (not an ubuntu computer) tried 3 undelete programs, searched all the restore files...
[21:14] <Unit193> I really need to get off the comp before I break anything :/
[21:15] <dmcglone> I know how ya feel man. Go take a break and come back to it later
[21:16] <Unit193> I don't think there is anything else to do about it... but go crazy with a process manager....
[21:16] <dmcglone> are you running windows?
[21:17] <Unit193> In the comp I'm really pissed at? or this one?
[21:17] <dmcglone> the one that will not restore the session
[21:17] <Unit193> Yep
[21:18] <dmcglone> That's your problem
[21:21] <Unit193> Yeah, I really need to not kill vital processes when I get ticked at it....   I make more than that sitting on my ass, resetting modems, and teaching old ladies how to change channels.
[22:00] <Cheri703> yeah...
[22:00] <Cheri703> the minimum I was willing to take was $400 PLUS gas reimbursement
[22:00] <Cheri703> some weeks I spend over $200 in gas
[22:00] <Cheri703> so...nope
[22:00] <Cheri703> as I said though, I'm going to give them one last shot at keeping me
[22:00] <Cheri703> but I'm not holding my breath
[22:02]  * canthus13 wonders what the going rate for your job description is...
[22:03] <canthus13> Can't be less than 12 bucks an hour...
[22:03] <Cheri703> according to a few people, it's over 30k
[22:03] <canthus13> That sounds about right. 15 bucks an hour, maybe a bit more.
[22:04] <Cheri703> oh, and the best part is, that $450 including gas is still as a contractor, so that $450 is wages, gas, taxes
[22:05] <canthus13> McDonalds pays better. :(
[22:05] <canthus13> ...almost.  McD's starts at $7.50/hr, which at full time is 300 bucks a week.
[22:05] <Cheri703> yeah, exactly, there are a few call centers in town, and I would take home more money
[22:05] <Cheri703> which is RIDICULOUS
[22:05] <Cheri703> I'm GOOD at my job
[22:06] <canthus13> Yay. Lunch.  I'm off to eat.  I'll be back after a while.
[22:06] <Cheri703> ttyl
[22:18] <Derath-Srvr> Sorry I missed the meeting last night, reviewing logs now...
[22:30] <Derath-Srvr> Okay, I have something of a suggestion...
[22:31] <Derath-Srvr> Regarding last night's meeting (sorry was teaching a class), could we use some form of an RSS feed? that way it's text based, lots of clients will read rss, voluntary... etc?
[22:32] <Derath-Srvr> jacob, gilbert ^
[22:34] <Derath-Srvr> Thinking a custom build site or tool that ReLoCo leads can easily type into and update and feed an RSS feed to distribute to those that want to subscribe...
[22:37] <Derath-Srvr> site, tool, or even a "web-plugin" that we can add to the wiki or something
[22:49] <canthus13> Bot in channel.
[22:50] <canthus13> Designated leads would be able to @update <whatever>
[23:00] <Derath-Srvr> that would work too


[00:10] <tumbleweed> vorlon: you're right, december 16th
[00:11] <tumbleweed> looks like the issue is disk space on teela
[02:26] <tumbleweed> and... fixed
[04:19] <vorlon> tumbleweed: cheers
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[17:09] <ginggs> vorlon: ack (qgis), thanks
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[21:59] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-archive: Anybody around for a quick review of the bin NEW for ubuntustudio-default-settings? This new piece is the magic that will remove the line between JACK and Pulseaudio most users, basically merging all of the audio stacks via Pipewire.
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[22:02] <Eickmeyer> (btw, any flavor will be able to install it as it relies on no configs from Ubuntu Studio exclusively)
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[22:35] <Eickmeyer> Thanks!
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[17:27] <nith1210> edubuntu.org is down?
[17:38] <highvoltage> yes. canonical IS ares gradually updating sites that were affected by a severe drupal bug
[17:39] <highvoltage> it will be back, I've been meaning to put up a page that at least says we'll be back, haven't had a gap