[02:41] <AskNickF> I'm having a very frustrating problem. Is this the right place to ask?
[05:20] <xubuntu718> hi guys, i was wondering if you could give a hand with an issue with my wifi driver on ubunutu 14.04
[05:20] <xubuntu718> I got a Lonevo B5400 and the wifi connection drops eventually and I only can solve it rebooting the computer
[05:20] <xubuntu718> thanks in advance
[05:21] <xubuntu718> None of the solutions on Internet that I have tested fixed the issue
[05:59] <nosound> Why is it thunar moves files at 9MBps and Dolphin 100MBps... it's like thunar does things sector by sector, no caching, drive sounds more busy
[06:04] <nosound> hmm it's some sort of scheduling problem, if i stop all other disk IO it speeds up to 50-90MBps, inconsistent
[08:10] <pimperle> hi. update-manager still doesn't detect xUbuntu 14.04.1 and won't do the upgrade. Do I have to use -d or should I wait because its a known issue?
[08:10] <pimperle> coming from 12.04.4 that is
[08:14] <baizon> pimperle: use -d :)
[09:10] <aetherix> How do I write an iso to usb in Xubuntu? Is there a utility that I can use?
[09:13] <aetherix> Nevermind, found package usb-creator-gtk.
[09:43] <schlong> Hello everyone
[09:44] <schlong> So recently I bought an HP chromebook 14 and I cant get the shortcut keys for volume working. Can anybody work out a solution? I only managed to fix the brightness keys
[10:16] <Eldunar> Hello, can u tell me how to turn on 2nd graphic card? Here is pastebin http://pastebin.com/uC76dLrn . I want to switch between cards with switchero. echo On is not working. And when i opened this file with mousepad it apeared to be empty.
[10:42] <baizon> my desktop got zoomed, how can i revert this? What is the shortcut for deskop-zoom?
[10:44] <baizon> ok got it
[10:44] <baizon> thanks
[12:44] <satya> hey ochosi
[12:48] <ochosi> hey satya :)
[12:48] <satya> ochosi, hello?
[12:48] <satya> so, let's fix the 3.12 issues
[12:48] <ochosi> sounds good
[12:48] <satya> first, what are the issues?
[12:48] <ochosi> let's move this over to #xubuntu-devel though, so our testers can read it too
[12:48] <satya> I assume they are only the tab related issues?
[12:48] <satya> ok
[12:53] <innocent95> Hu
[12:54] <innocent95> hi
[12:54] <innocent95> how can i create a hotspot
[12:55] <deshipu> innocent95: right-click on the network icon, select 'create wifi network'
[12:55] <innocent95> deshipu, then ?
[12:56] <deshipu> innocent95: enter the name and the password you want it to have, and click 'create'
[12:56] <innocent95> deshipu, It works :) thanks
[16:37] <derek-g> how can I upgrade 11.10 to 14.04?
[16:37] <derek-g> Whn I try do-release-upgrade it just says: "not supported anymore"....
[16:38] <HedgeMage> derek-g: You *can* do that, but it requires at least one intermediate upgrade and may introduce hard to troubleshoot issues.  I highly recommend backing up your data, doing a clean 14.04 install, and then putting the data back instead.
[16:39] <derek-g> HedgeMage, its's not for me  - it's for a family member and we're an ocean apart.
[16:39] <HedgeMage> derek-g: ouch.  BTDT.
[16:40] <HedgeMage> derek-g: What is the family member's level of computing ability?  Can they follow clear instructions re: backing up and installing with you on the phone or similar?
[16:40] <derek-g> HedgeMage, 0%. can open browser and click on links.
[16:40] <HedgeMage> derek-g: I assume you have remote SSH access to the machine currently?
[16:40] <derek-g> HedgeMage, yes. ssh and vnc
[16:41] <derek-g> HedgeMage, do I need to update to 12.04 first?
[16:41] <HedgeMage> derek-g: So, here is what I would do in your place (it's worked for me before, but it may involve assumptions that don't apply to your situation so use common sense)...
[16:42] <derek-g> HedgeMage, ok. go on:)
[16:42] <HedgeMage> derek-g: The basic idea is to facilitate a clean install (because those are easiest to troubleshoot, especially remotely) without the end user having to know anything more than how to plug in hardware.
[16:43] <derek-g> HedgeMage, ok..
[16:44] <HedgeMage> derek-g: Step 0: You mail them a custom-ish install disk (DVD or USB media, doesn't matter) and either mail them or have them purchase an external HDD.  The custom install image is just the normal one with SSHD started by default and your public ssh key in root's .ssh/authorized_keys file so you can ssh in and do the dirty work.
[16:44] <HedgeMage> derek-g: Step 1: Have them put in the install media, plug in the external drive, and reboot the machine.
[16:44] <HedgeMage> derek-g: Step  2: You ssh in, back up everything important to the external USB drive.
[16:45] <HedgeMage> derek-g: Step 3: You do a clean Xubuntu 14.04 install, making sure to copy /root/.ssh/authorized_keys to the new install before rebooting.
[16:45] <HedgeMage> derek-g: Step 4: You SSH in again and copy all the important stuff over from the external HDD and configure anything that needs configuring.
[16:46] <HedgeMage> derek-g: Step 5: As long as they now have a nice external HDD, you set up automated back-ups so you have something to work from if/when they break the system in the future.
[16:46] <HedgeMage> Done. :)
[16:48] <derek-g> HedgeMage, well....
[16:49] <derek-g> :)
[16:49] <derek-g> ok
[16:50] <HedgeMage> derek-g: You can go 11.04 --> 12.04 --> 13.04 --> 14.04 (possibly skipping either 12.04 or 13.04, not sure you'd have to check) but it's been my experience that that causes config creep in a way that can make a remote machine harder to troubleshoot.
[16:50] <derek-g> Thanks for this guide. I'm probably gonna ask them to hire someone local to simply come, backup and install 14.04...
[16:50] <HedgeMage> that works, too :)
[16:51] <HedgeMage> derek-g: When I'm dealing with nontechnical end-users, I tend to go the easiest-to-troubleshoot path regardless of it taking more initial set-up work.
[17:14] <mpx> !s der hundert
[17:14] <mpx> sorry, wrong channel
[18:23] <manaar333> bonjour and hello all::!!
[18:42] <HedgeMage> greetings
[20:05] <marandi> hi guys , im planning to schedule open  software and shutdown with gnome-schedule in xubuntu 14.04 .. but i got this error ( Gnome-Message: gnome_execute_async_with_env_fds: returning -1 ) any idea what should i do ?!
[21:34] <xubuntu408> I am having a problem to creat a boot disk
[21:34] <xubuntu408> I have never used it before and want to try on a old windows xp machine
[21:36] <xubuntu408> i downloaded the desktop i386 iso file, but whe I try to burn as image my windows (windows 7 in a different machine) gives me the error message
[21:36] <xubuntu408> "the selected disc image fle isn't valid"
[21:36] <xubuntu408> Can anyone help me out?
[21:37] <HedgeMage> xubuntu408: you can try re-downloading, but apart from that I'm not of much help...I last used Windows in 1999 or so.
[21:37] <patates> warning says it all
[21:38] <patates> which app did you use ?
[21:38] <patates> to burn
[21:38] <xubuntu408> I tried re-downloading a few times alread. Am I doing anything wrong? Isn't desktop i386 the proper disk image file?
[21:39] <patates> checked md5?
[21:39] <xubuntu408> I am using the windows disc image burner, built in in windows 7
[21:39] <patates> check the md5 of the file
[21:39] <xubuntu408> No, I haven't checked md5. I saw the prcedure on the site. I will give it a try.
[21:40] <patates> or download it with torrent
[21:41] <patates> torrents have file integrity checks
[21:41] <xubuntu408> i've never use torrent. I am assuming that I need a program to do it.
[21:42] <patates> yeah, might not be a good idead if you are in hurry to to try xubuntu
[21:42] <patates> to learn now
[21:42] <xubuntu408> Any suggestion of a good torrent download program?
[21:43] <patates> qbittorent
[21:43] <xubuntu408> I will give it a shot. Thanks.
[21:43] <patates> np
[21:51] <craigbass1976> I'm streaming (with vlc) out of my xubuntu 14.04 box.  When the screen saver pops up, I can still see the video that's streaming (from another box) but the audio goes away.  Where do I stop this, other than to stop the computer from going to sleep in the first place
[21:56] <patates> I don't know if it helps but my audio doesn't sleep while I am playing flash based online radio
[21:57] <patates> while my display sleeps
[23:50] <xubuntu123> Hi! I'm on precise (LTS); should I be getting a release upgrade thing yet? do-release-upgrade sees nothing.


[04:46] <bkerensa> mhall119: I am going to re-add a blueprints for planning on help.u.c for some reason it didnt get added the first time round
[04:48] <jbicha_> bkerensa: oh, I'll be at UDS on Thursday & Friday after all
[04:56] <bkerensa> jbicha_: ok good :) hoping to discuss the help.u.c stuff
[05:24] <pleia2> bkerensa: I'd rather not have to hold off making edits to it until next cycle :(
[05:24] <bkerensa> pleia2: Well this is a major transition
[05:25] <pleia2> yeah, but leaving the documentation not updated from 10.04 for another 6 months isn't awesome
[05:25] <bkerensa> pleia2: So far its just me doing all the work too but if I had volunteers then perhaps we could have in done well before Beta 1?
[05:26] <Darkwing> IIRC, there will be an update that was discussed on the ML for getting updates and translations for 12.04.1
[05:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: I totally agree and understand the concerns... I mean why dont you then go ahead and make the changes it was just a suggestion and either way I dont think it will hinder the transition at all much
[05:26] <pleia2> some of the classes we wanted to base our work on will be held in the coming months (we could use the ubuntu manual instead, but I'd rather contribute to the official docs)
[05:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah
[05:26] <Darkwing> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[05:26] <Darkwing> It's been updated (sorta) for doc stuff as it applies to 12.04.1
[05:27] <pleia2> Darkwing: not referring to official docs, working on updating some major /community pages
[05:27] <Darkwing> ahhh, my bad on that then. :D
[05:27] <bkerensa> pleia2: this will be all docs
[05:27]  * Darkwing needs sleep
[05:27] <bkerensa> not just community but official doc too
[05:27] <pleia2> bkerensa: "why don't I" - my whole email was asking if I was allowed to :)
[05:27] <pleia2> I don't know the protocol
[05:28] <bkerensa> pleia2: If its Community Doc then I do not see a problem
[05:28] <pleia2> for background, we're putting together an ubuntu-learning class that starts with installation and I have a volunteer who wants to update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall for 12.04 (it's for 10.04 now)
[05:29] <pleia2> it's a pretty major page, didn't just want to randomly run in blind and replace all screenshots and a fair amount of wording without asking ;)
[05:29] <bkerensa> Doc Team would appreciate any contribution to update that then :)
[05:29] <bkerensa> Assuming jbicha doesnt have any opposition
[05:30] <pleia2> well the whole thread was a proposal to move it to some archived page *before* we jump in with changes
[05:30] <pleia2> so there would be a lucid version and a precise version
[05:30] <pleia2> so now I really don't know what to do
[05:31] <bkerensa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki/Tasks
[05:32] <pleia2> yeah, I've read through a bunch of pages
[05:34] <pleia2> I guess I'll wait for the result of the thread
[05:35] <pleia2> thanks bkerensa
[08:49] <peppe84> Hi doc team. Site map of help.ubuntu.com is up to date? I can't find item related precise. If I search the word "Ubuntu" I see only result related 8.04.
[13:05] <jbicha_> peppe84: you could email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to submit a ticket to ask the web guys to do whatever needed with Google
[16:25] <jbicha_> mdke: https://help.ubuntu.com/community now uses the new theme
[16:28] <forestpiskie> will it take time for the rest of the pages to catch up jbicha_ ?
[16:28] <forestpiskie> that ^^ looks nice though :)
[16:28] <jbicha_> forestpiskie: which page in particular?
[16:29] <forestpiskie> I just followed a couple of links from the main community page - white
[16:29] <forestpiskie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost/Answers#signpost
[16:30] <jbicha_> forestpiskie: that page has the new theme here, maybe you need to clear your cache or something?
[16:31] <forestpiskie> k
[16:31] <forestpiskie> just thought I'd say :)
[16:34] <forestpiskie> jbicha_: cleared cache - page looks like http://i.imgur.com/MEwWs.png
[16:36] <forestpiskie> muct have been a cookie somewhere
[16:38] <jbicha_> hmm, I don't know how that works, maybe make sure your theme is set to "light" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=userprefs&sub=prefs
[16:39] <forestpiskie> it's ok now - cookie I assume, clearing cache did nothing - cookie did
[16:39] <forestpiskie> jbicha_: sorry if I made you panic if you did :)
[16:42] <jbicha_> I didn't panic yet :) but it is useful info when I get bug reports about it being broken
[16:43] <forestpiskie> :)
[16:56] <forestpiskie> jbicha_: had to set theme to default in prefs - kept getting logged out and then as soon as I logged in - white again, it was set to ubuntunew


[12:49] <sbalneav> WOOT
[12:49] <sbalneav> Autologin working in ldm2
[12:58] <moquist> coolies
[12:59] <moquist> sbalneav: I don't remember if I've already asked you...will there be a feature in ldm2 to specify an alternate greeter executable in lts.conf?
[12:59] <moquist> 'cuz I want one. :)
[12:59] <sbalneav> Well, it'll be there, but your greeter's gonna have to behave a certain way.
[01:00] <moquist> Burgundavia: whiprush did a fantastic job @ FOSSED. thx for the recommendation.
[01:00] <moquist> sbalneav: as in, it'll have to pass back the same data on stdout that the stock greeter does? (4 params on 4 lines in feisty)
[01:00] <sbalneav> Nope, nowhere near that now.
[01:01] <moquist> whatcha mean?
[01:01] <sbalneav> You're greeters going to have to be interactive
[01:01] <moquist> interactive with ldm?
[01:01] <sbalneav> Yep.
[01:01] <moquist> stdin/stdout interactive?
[01:01] <sbalneav> yep
[01:01] <moquist> doesn't sound too painful
[01:01] <sbalneav> I'm finding it plenty painful :)
[01:02] <moquist> OH. 8-\
[01:02] <sbalneav> Why, what do you want with a custom greeter?
[01:02] <sbalneav> Your own look and feel?
[01:03] <sbalneav> Or something else?
[01:03] <moquist> Xdialog is very, very fast.
[01:04] <moquist> Also, we run a training center where we want to be passwordless.
[01:04] <moquist> maybe the latter reason won't be a reason once we're basking in the coolness of ldm2
[01:04] <sbalneav> Well, the LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD env variables should do for the latter.
[01:04] <sbalneav> And the new greeter in C only takes about a second to pop up.
[01:05] <moquist> but we want people to be different users; how is it OK for the same user to be logged into every TC?
[01:05] <sbalneav> [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:05] <sbalneav>  LDM_USERNAME=station1
[01:05] <sbalneav>  LDM_PASSWORD=donttellanyon
[01:05] <moquist> K. I remain hopeful that I won't have to mess around any to get the greeter to be fast fast fast. But it will still be a cool feature to be able to easily specify an alternate greeter executable. :)
[01:05] <sbalneav> [<IP_ADDRESS>]
[01:06] <moquist> OK.
[01:06] <sbalneav>  LDM_USERNAME=station2
[01:06] <sbalneav> etc.
[01:06] <moquist> looks good.
[01:06] <moquist> well, one tic in that scenario is that a user can't easily be the same user again, except by luck of the DHCP-draw
[01:07] <sbalneav> Yeah, ldm2 and the greeter are way, WAY faster.  You'll be able to specify an alternate greeter, but it's going to have to be a more complicated program than before.
[01:07] <sbalneav> [00:DE:AD:BE:EF:FF]
[01:07] <sbalneav> Do it by mac addr.
[01:08] <moquist> that's why I decided against that scenario in my current hack-in feisty greeter. I just let the user specify a username, and I set all the passwords to 'secret', and had the greeter print <username>, 'secret', 'default', 'default' (or whatever)
[01:08] <moquist> sbalneav: yeah, I decided against mac addr specifically, as well. but it's dang cool that ldm2 will support either. :)
[01:08] <moquist> sbalneav: how about a feature to support allowing the user to specify the username, but always using a given default password? :)
[01:08] <moquist> [*]
[01:09] <moquist>  LDM_PASSWORD=secret
[01:09] <sbalneav> Gadi had an idea about setting the username and password to be able to be scripted, by spevifying a | in front
[01:09] <moquist> nice
[01:09] <sbalneav> So, you could say LDM_USERNAME=|/path/to/my/function/returning/a/username
[01:10] <moquist> oh, and that could be (for example) an Xdialog that just asks for a username
[01:10] <moquist> cool
[01:10] <moquist> forget ldm2, man. this sounds like ldm20.
[01:10] <sbalneav> Not sure if I'll have time to implement that this time around, as it complicates things quite a bit, but I'd like to get it in there eventually, as it's a great idea.
[01:10] <moquist> I think edubuntu has won at work. I'm so excited I kind of bounce when I think about it. :)
[01:11] <moquist> sbalneav: I've packaged the smbldap-configure script for Ubuntu.
[01:11] <sbalneav> ah, nice.
[01:11] <moquist> sbalneav: I just need to get some feedback from a mentor now.
[01:12] <moquist> sbalneav: I talked with gadi about local apps @ FOSSED this week.
[01:12] <Burgundavia> moquist: whiprush said he had tonnes of fun and really enjoyed it
[01:12] <sbalneav> I'd love to see moodle by default in edubuntu
[01:12] <moquist> sbalneav: he's convinced me that ssh is the right way to solve our problems.
[01:13] <moquist> i.e., the right way to implement it all.
[01:13] <sbalneav> Which, running an ssh server on the client?
[01:13] <moquist> sbalneav: that's the idea.
[01:13] <moquist> Burgundavia: great! He will *definitely* be invited back next year. (You're welcome, too, you know. :)
[01:13] <sbalneav> Well, it's certainly not a bad way to do it.  We need to get the ldap stuff going though.
[01:14] <moquist> sbalneav: Why? (for the TC, if ssh can get the info we need)
[01:14] <Burgundavia> moquist: I would love to come next year. I will just need some money to do so :)
[01:14] <moquist> Burgundavia: that may be a possibility. I'll keep you in mind and we'll keep in touch.
[01:14] <sbalneav> ssh user@term firefox
[01:14] <sbalneav> so, terminal is going to need to know:
[01:14] <sbalneav> who user is
[01:14] <sbalneav> users password
[01:15] <Burgundavia> moquist: sounds good. Next year I shoudl be able to talk about GIS and geographic stuff
[01:15] <moquist> ...a bunch of info it can get via ssh from the server
[01:15] <sbalneav> How?
[01:15] <moquist> Burgundavia: k
[01:15] <sbalneav> ssh talks to pam
[01:15] <moquist> sbalneav: rewrite /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow after initial authentication
[01:15] <sbalneav> ugh ugh ugh ugh no way
[01:15] <moquist> hehe :)
[01:16] <sbalneav> ldap or nothing.
[01:17] <sbalneav> You'll never EVER get something by the security team that dynamically re-writes /etc/shadow.
[01:17] <moquist> even if the admin has to turn it on?
[01:17] <moquist> it's certainly not on by default.
[01:17] <sbalneav> And Debian, and any other serious distro will just p*ss themselves laughing.
[01:18] <sbalneav> We need proper authentication.
[01:19] <moquist> yeah, in the sober light of day it doesn't seem like a good idea. I'm only giving this conversation half my brain right now, so I'm going to stop trying to make sense of it.
[01:19] <sbalneav> It's not hard.  But, for some reason, we're constantly blocked by the server team.
[01:20] <moquist> which part isn't hard?
[01:20] <moquist> configuring and managing LDAP is still painful and not integrated.
[01:20] <sbalneav> Setting up ldap auth + nsswitch
[01:20] <moquist> configuring and managing LDAP on the server is still painful and not integrated.
[01:20] <Burgundavia> moquist: did you see the emal that just came down?
[01:20] <Burgundavia> they are going to work on it for gutsy
[01:20] <Burgundavia> and of course, ebox just landed
[01:20] <moquist> Burgundavia: er, no
[01:21] <sbalneav> Either that, or we need something else.
[01:21] <Burgundavia> ebox-platform.org
[01:21] <sbalneav> a pam module that uses ssh or ssl to use the server's /etc/password and /etc/shadow
[01:21] <sbalneav> hmm
[01:21] <sbalneav> hmmmm
[01:22] <sbalneav> hmmmmmm
[01:22] <sbalneav> interesting.
[01:22] <moquist> Burgundavia: interesting.
[01:23] <moquist> Burgundavia: it looks webmin-ish.
[01:23] <moquist> we're going with webmin at work, instead of SUSE+YaST
[01:26] <moquist> Burgundavia: and who is the "they" who's going to work on "what"? (server team, working on easy and integrated ldap?)
[01:28] <moquist> sbalneav: or it could query the server dynamically with 'getent'; that way the server's nsswitch will be in effect, and you aren't making assumptions about the server's nsswitch conf
[01:29] <sbalneav> Correct.
[01:30] <moquist> sbalneav: right; the module should be able to ssh to the server as the currently-logged-in-user and run 'getent'. it's perfect.
[01:30] <moquist> man, it's really appealing to try to write that module. maybe I"ll take a crack it, though I totally should work on other stuff.
[01:30] <sbalneav> You won't be able to get a shadow entry though.
[01:31] <sbalneav> Hm
[01:31] <moquist> the shadow of doubt has crept into our discussion, I see
[01:31] <moquist> or, the doubt of shadow, anyway
[01:31] <sbalneav> No, not at all.
[01:32] <sbalneav> lol
[01:32] <sbalneav> here's how a pam module could work.
[01:32] <sbalneav> You'd need to set up a userid on the server, that would be a member of the shadow group
[01:33] <sbalneav> And set up sshkeys so that that user could make passwordless logins from the client.
[01:33] <sbalneav> then, the pam module, when handling the pam conversation
[01:34] <sbalneav> does a "ssh -l shadowuser server getent passwd" and ssh -l shadowuser server getent shadow
[01:34] <sbalneav> gets the info, and does a standard pam convo based on that.
[01:35] <sbalneav> hmm, how to handle password expires, I wonder.
[01:35] <sbalneav> You'd need root for that.
[01:53] <moquist> sbalneav: password expiration could be supported in v2...
[01:54] <sbalneav> hm
[01:54] <sbalneav> actually we don't need to handle expiry
[01:54] <sbalneav> because that would have been handles on the login
[01:54] <moquist> only if the whole auth stack is local
[01:55] <moquist> right
[01:55] <sbalneav> Well, that would work.
[01:55] <moquist> that's diskless fat client, but is there really a reason to go that far?
[01:55] <sbalneav> So, we need a pam + nsswitch module.
[01:55] <sbalneav> That's pretty easy.
[01:56] <moquist> sbalneav: especially if you've done it before. ;)
[01:59] <sbalneav> You done a pam module before?
[02:01] <sbalneav> This, actually, solves a HUGE number of problems.
[03:10] <Burgundavia> moquist: they are indeed the server team, canonicals
[03:11] <Burgundavia> basically webmin, but done right
[03:23] <moquist> Burgundavia: sounds great
[04:44] <svenstaro> Hello everybody
[04:45] <svenstaro> I'm trying to run edubuntu in an vmware to test its thinclient capabilities
[04:45] <svenstaro> Now, I don't know how to do the network configuration and the edubuntu page is kinda outdated
[04:46] <svenstaro> I'm using vmnet1 for the internal net between edubuntu and thinclient
[05:03] <svenstaro> nevermind just figured it out
[05:04] <svenstaro> but man, the 33 of you arent too word-happy :/
[05:12] <sbalneav> back
[05:12] <sbalneav> I was away :)
[05:14] <svenstaro> Well you can help me nontheless if you want
[05:14] <svenstaro> I get dumped to busy box after about 3 minutes of waiting after receiving the PXE bootroom
[05:16] <sbalneav> Which version of edubuntu?
[05:16] <svenstaro> 7.04
[05:17] <sbalneav> Sounds like the NFS root dir isn't getting mounted.
[05:18] <svenstaro> is it a serverside problem?
[05:18] <svenstaro> or something caused by vmware?
[05:18] <sbalneav> I'd guess vmware
[05:19] <sbalneav> I don't know anything about vmware, personally
[05:20] <svenstaro> how would I go about checking if the server is all ok setup?
[05:22] <sbalneav> well, showmount -a should show you what the server thinks it's exporting.
[05:23] <svenstaro> nothing listed
[05:23] <svenstaro> does this one have to do with sudo ltsp-build-client?
[05:24] <sbalneav> Did you install edubuntu server, or edubuntu workstation?
[05:24] <svenstaro> server
[05:25] <sbalneav> The server install sets up the ltsp chroot as part of the install.
[05:25] <sbalneav> do you have an /opt/ltsp/i386 directory?
[05:25] <svenstaro> just deleted it in order to perform the sudo ltsp-build-client command
[05:25] <svenstaro> now it says it cant reach the archive though networking is setup correctly
[05:26] <svenstaro> oh wait  a sec please
[05:26] <sbalneav> Why'd you delete it, as opposed to just renaming it?
[05:28] <svenstaro> That's what I'm asking myself right now, anyway, it's retrieving itself again
[05:29] <sbalneav> It'll take a while
[05:38] <svenstaro> done
[05:38] <svenstaro> still no mounts
[05:43] <svenstaro> but its working :D
[05:43] <svenstaro> thanks mate
[06:24] <svenstaro> Still there, sbalneav ?
[06:46] <svenstaro> How do I go about configuring users for edubuntu? Do I configure one for every student?
[07:01] <sbalneav> svenstaro: Yeah, you'll want to create a userid for every student.
[07:01] <svenstaro> Is it somehow possible to always load a default image for every student which resets after every logout?
[07:02] <sbalneav> I wrote something for that, a patch to pam_mkhomedir.
[07:03] <sbalneav> You could put the default home dir into /etc/skel, and the users home dir would get created from there every login, and removed on logout.
[07:03] <sbalneav> So, yes, it's possible.
[07:04] <svenstaro> Sounds good.
[08:37] <Burgundavia> moquist: ebox isn't even based on webmin
[10:01] <ksivaji> may i know what is the difference between edubuntu and kubuntu
[11:37] <gnomefreak> gnome vs kde is the biggest
[11:56] <Kamping_kaiser> gnomefreak: funny that ;)
[11:56] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> greetings
[05:40] <Hobbsee> *** Main will freeze on Tuesday for Tribe 3 preparations, cd preparations will commence in a couple of days ***
[10:27] <timma> hello
[10:47] <Burgundavia> hello timma


[05:57] <daftykins> good mornings
[07:12] <daftykins> pavlushka: bad connection!
[07:12] <pavlushka> daftykins: well, not anymore and sorry for the bother.
[09:07] <davmor2> Morning all you cyberhippies
[09:08] <popey> hello
[09:08] <daftykins> \o
[09:10] <SuperMatt> g'day
[09:10] <daftykins> happy cyber monday
[09:10] <SuperMatt> Still nothing that I want to buy
[09:10] <SuperMatt> I think I've finally risen above crass commercialism
[09:15] <daftykins> mmm i've been shopping for others but that's about it
[09:15] <SuperMatt> Yeah, me too
[09:16] <daftykins> tempted to pop in the local HMV to see if anything is going on
[09:16] <SuperMatt> HMV? What is this strange acronym seemingly from a bygone era?
[09:17] <daftykins> :) they set up here and used to ship out back when there was tax relief on postings up to England, but had to move once that loophole got closed
[09:17] <daftykins> the shop stayed open because apparently it was one of the chains top performers from across the whole company
[09:21] <SuperMatt> If there's one thing I want in the black friday sales is a new vacuum cleaner
[09:21] <daftykins> http://go.linuxfoundation.org/cyber-monday-2016
[09:21] <daftykins> ooh
[09:21] <SuperMatt> If I can get a dyson for half price, I'm game
[09:22] <diplo> Morning all
[09:40] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Make Your Own Head Day! 😃
[09:45] <TwistedLucidity> SuperMatt: Best deals are around Dec 18th (average 17% off).  It's a marketing scam.
[09:46] <xnox> i got dyson before christmas time for "half price" a few years back
[09:47] <TwistedLucidity> We have a Dyson. Then we got a Husky. Now we need more Dysons!
[09:48] <xnox>  /o\
[09:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:04] <dwatkins> we got a Shark vacuum cleaner, it's even better than the Dyson.
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> you're going to need a bigger dyson... ;-p
[11:47] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: they did a washing machine once would that be big enough?
[12:03] <Laney> vacuum cleaner chat
[12:03] <Laney> we did grow up
[12:04] <dwatkins> do they not still sell the washing machine? that was huge.
[12:08] <davmor2> Laney: don't be daft we were all just told to keep it clean :D
[12:09] <davmor2> JamesTait: what was today by the way had the mains electric cable replaced so no interwebz :D
[12:10]  * Laney chats to davmor2 about pension options, mortgage rates and the best schools in the areazzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZzzZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[12:11]  * davmor2 tells Laney to get off his lawn and shakes his stick at him
[12:11] <Laney> cheese and real ale
[12:11] <Laney> those are the good middle aged pleasures
[12:12] <davmor2> Laney: oh black bomber hmmmmmmm
[12:13] <Laney> norfolk white lady
[12:13]  * Laney homer simpson drool
[12:14] <Laney> https://www.thecheesesociety.co.uk/cheese-subscriptions/
[12:14] <Laney> O_O
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> perfect for a crimbo pressie for someone instead of the usual socks and underpants...
[12:15] <Laney> aye
[12:15] <Laney> might drop some hints
[12:15] <davmor2> Laney: seriously try some black bomber if you haven't,  also I prefer the Norfolk Marder or something like that, that was nice
[12:16] <davmor2> Laney: I think there is an L in that cheese some where but no matter where I put it, it didn't look right :)
[12:22] <JamesTait> davmor2, something about making your own head.
[12:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: oh that's dangerous
[12:23] <JamesTait> You're telling me!
[12:23] <JamesTait> Mine has enough bugs as it is, without me reinventing it.
[12:28] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4 think that should cover it right
[13:30] <diddledan> daftykins: that's an expensive t-shirt (ref: http://go.linuxfoundation.org/cyber-monday-2016)
[13:32] <diddledan> at least you get a freebie course to go with it
[13:32] <zmoylan-pi> but real linux geeks will know how much you paid for it...
[13:32] <diddledan> nah, only corporate linuxers will - those courses don't make "real" linux geeks
[13:35] <TwistedLucidity> Why would I want to give my money to a trade association raking it in from Oracle, MS etc? Seems to me, community member should support the community. Y'know, that thing the Foundation blocked from being on the board.
[13:36] <diddledan> I don't get what the foundation is supposed to provide to the linux world
[13:36] <zmoylan-pi> corporate legitimacy
[13:37] <zmoylan-pi> it's not just a bunch of neckbeards typing code in their mothers basement
[13:38] <diddledan> but neckbeards in the mom's basements are the ones who are the most important
[13:38] <diddledan> their*
[13:39] <TwistedLucidity> Not to the lawyers and accountants. The beard is just a cost centre waiting to be outsourced.
[13:39] <diddledan> :-(
[13:40]  * diddledan will have to shave
[13:40] <diddledan> :-(
[13:41] <zmoylan-pi> AND wear a suit
[13:41] <diddledan> oh god
[13:41] <diddledan> I refuse to work anywhere that I'm required to wear a suit
[13:41]  * zmoylan-pi breaks out the chocolate hobnobs (non generic) to coax diddledan out from under desk
[13:41]  * diddledan pokes his head out with his nose twitching
[13:42] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Well, that's you excldued from all the main consultancies then.
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> Some are incredibly strict
[13:43] <diddledan> >.<
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> I used to work for one, not any more.
[13:43] <TwistedLucidity> Now I work from home. Clothing optional.
[13:44] <diddledan> \o/
[13:44] <diddledan> working from home is awesome
[13:45] <zmoylan-pi> that'll stop people hacking his webcam... twice...
[13:45] <TwistedLucidity> I really need to pull my finger our and reclaim money from HMRC
[13:45] <TwistedLucidity> *out
[13:45] <TwistedLucidity> IIRC you can get ~£18pcm back.
[13:45] <TwistedLucidity> Something like that anyway
[13:45] <diddledan> o_O
[13:46] <diddledan> really?
[13:46] <TwistedLucidity> Yeah. For heating, lighting etc
[13:46] <diddledan> aah
[13:46] <diddledan> yeah I think I knew about that
[13:47] <zmoylan-pi> do tux figurines justify a claim as they are religious icons? :-)
[13:48] <TwistedLucidity> Unfortunately not, Linux actually exists
[13:51] <zmoylan-pi> bah ::switches back to invisible pink unicorn who's figures are very pricey::
[15:13] <dogmatic69> is it possible to remote desktop on unity yet?
[15:14] <diddledan> dogmatic69: unity7 or 8, client or server?
[15:14] <dogmatic69> whatever 16.04 is
[15:14] <dogmatic69> and 16.04 <-> 16.04 I want to remote with
[15:15] <diddledan> yes that'll work
[15:15] <SuperMatt> VNC has been possible for ages
[15:15] <SuperMatt> as well as X forwarding
[15:15] <dogmatic69> it totally has not, prev I have had to install xbuntu or something because unity would not work
[15:15] <diddledan> SuperMatt: I think dogmatic69 is referring to the issue a few releases ago where vnc wouldn't show the composited desktop
[15:15] <SuperMatt> oh right
[15:15] <SuperMatt> I had no idea
[15:16] <diddledan> vnc would connect but you'd see nada
[15:16] <dogmatic69> ye, you would log in and have a black screen
[15:16] <diddledan> yeah, dogmatic69, I think that's working now
[15:16] <SuperMatt> I gave up on vnc and remote desktop a long time ago
[15:16] <dogmatic69> diddledan: so I have remmana on the client, what should I install for the host?
[15:16] <diddledan> at least on 16.04 iirc
[15:17] <diddledan> use the default one, in the dash it's under "screen sharing" I think
[15:17] <diddledan> and yes, use remmina as the client
[15:17] <dogmatic69> cool, I will try that
[15:18] <diddledan> the advantage of the default vnc server is that it'll autostart without any further fiddling once you've toggled the switch, but it does require your session to be logged-in on the machine first
[15:19] <diddledan> so it's a session sharer rather than machine sharer if that makes sense?
[15:19] <dogmatic69> that is fine, just cant find the switch
[15:19] <diddledan> hang on, let me reboot to my ubuntu system and find the bits to walk you through
[15:19] <dogmatic69> "desktop sharing"
[15:19] <dogmatic69> I got it
[15:19] <diddledan> aha
[15:19] <dogmatic69> :)
[15:19] <diddledan> well done :-)
[15:19] <dogmatic69> you were close
[15:20] <diddledan> may find just searching for "sharing" would have shown it
[15:21] <dogmatic69> and it works
[15:22] <dogmatic69> looks horrid in 256 colours :D
[15:22] <dogmatic69> thanks diddledan
[15:22] <diddledan> hah. yeah, we're spoilt with meelions of colours
[16:07] <halt> Is there an up-to-date version of the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization page or any alternative to "Ubuntu Customization Kit" which still work with the 16.04 LTS version as well (to be more specific the gnome version if possible )
[16:10] <halt> I wanted to put together a portable "home" but things like keyboard layout, and installed packages and stuff I have to modify comparing to the default LiveCD and would be nice to have some permanent storage even if it's an other mount or something I can script it up to get stuff setup right if there is anything not possible to customise at livecd build time, like bashrc or stuff like this
[16:33] <davmor2> halt: not that I know too
[21:28] <dogmatic69> hi all, trying to run a command over ssh to start chrome on a remote host
[21:28] <dogmatic69> it should just run on the remote machine,
[21:28] <dogmatic69> nothing fancy
[21:37] <Gargoyle> Evenin'
[21:38] <Gargoyle> Can someone tell me the correct place to put a xrandr command to have it run after login?
[21:40] <Gargoyle> I tried .xinitrc and .xsession, but more googling suggests they only get run if you start a custom session, not default unity.
[21:40] <Gargoyle> Also tried /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99x11-common_start - no dice.
[21:44] <diddledan> Gargoyle: you could put it into "startup applications" (that's an applet name in the unity dash)
[21:46] <Gargoyle> lemme try that!
[21:47] <Gargoyle> Yes!
[21:47] <Gargoyle> Thanks dan!
[21:48] <Gargoyle> Correct scaling of my retina display! \o/
[21:52] <diddledan> \o/
[21:52] <Gargoyle> Awww. has /etc/rc.local finally bitten the dust on 16.10 too?
[22:43] <diddledan> the new gay agenda has been published: https://www.autostraddle.com/new-gay-agenda-super-secret-do-not-leak-360607/
[22:43] <diddledan> "We need you to be achingly, devastatingly, pants-meltingly sexy. Do whatever you can to enhance your unique personal appeal, whether that’s emphasizing your voluptuous curves or doing squats while straight-arming cement-filled paint cans."


 its a radeon hd 24000
[00:50] <bazhang> that must be great for btc
[16:49] <IdleOne> tsimpson: they are in the channel, nick is waskum
[16:49] <bazhang> * [waskum] #ubuntu
[16:50] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu waskum sending users unsolicited pm's asking them to click "sketchy" links
[16:50] <tsimpson> I tried tab-complete, and I didn't see them
[16:50] <tsimpson> s/didn't/still don't/
[16:50] <IdleOne> yeah because you probably tried waksum. cfhowlet misspelled
[16:51] <IdleOne> try was not wak
[16:51] <bazhang> * [waskum] (~zin@<IP_ADDRESS>): zin
[16:51] <tsimpson> yep
[16:51] <bazhang> still there
[16:51] <IdleOne> I sent a PM got no response.
[16:52] <IdleOne> if someone else reports then we get Thor's hammer out
[16:52] <Pici> someone else just reported waskum in #freenode
[16:52] <Pici> perhaps they will deal with it
[16:54] <tsimpson> if "someone else" is DannyBrown, that's because I asked them to
[16:54] <bazhang> it was
[16:55] <IdleOne> klined
[16:56] <bazhang> thanks


[00:57] <tohuw> 12.04.2. I have an apt-get upgrade that failed due to insufficient space in /boot. I am attempting to purge a deprecated header package, but cannot due to the failure of the previous package. How can I reset the state of apt-get to allow me to purge the packages and stop attempting to install the failed one?
[01:00] <mardraum> I wish I knew the correct answer, I temporarily move things out of the way to make enough room so apt-get canb complete. I'm not saying this is correct, only that it has worked for me.
[01:01] <mardraum> old headers would be pretty safe.
[01:13] <tohuw> mardraum: yeah, that's what I'm doing now. Thank you... there really should be an obvious, documented way to deal with this situation
[02:14] <Brian21> I could use help with drbd on 12.04 ubuntu please
[02:51] <Brian21> [r0] cmd /sbin/drbdsetup 1 disk /dev/sda /dev/sda internal --set-defaults --create-device  failed - continuing!
[02:51] <Brian21>
[04:53] <pHcF> i've configured logwatch to send emails to me. I've just changed the email to my new email address, and after trying to send a logwatch report, i'm not receiving anything im my new email… I checked everything: spam, smtp servers, etc. If i change the email to send the report to my old email, it works. any ideas?
[07:21] <frojnd> Hi there. Today I was trying to update system while I encounter errors during the update: http://sprunge.us/TgVM
[07:22] <frojnd> Now there it says: no space left on device, so I checked with df -h http://sprunge.us/WeGb
[07:22] <frojnd> The only partition that is 100% full is /boot
[07:22] <frojnd> any ideas how can I free up some space on this partition which is already very small ~100MB?
[07:26] <frojnd> ok.. so kernel try to install into /boot ... Ah zeh, that's why when I install servers from scratch I do it a little bit more bigger. So can you advice me of any information how can I repartition /boot and take space from / ?
[07:34] <frojnd> help a little? :)
[08:35] <frojnd> This chan is moderate
[08:51] <frojnd> I then tried to purge some old headers but I can't it keeps throwing at me: You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these linux-generic : Depends: linux-headers-generic (= <IP_ADDRESS>.59) but <IP_ADDRESS>.61 is to be installe ...
[08:52] <frojnd> So I can't use apt-get to free up some space, can someone advice me how can I make /boot partition bigger?
[08:52] <jongbergs> !topic
[08:53] <frojnd> jongbergs: your point being? :)
[09:32] <jongbergs> Hi, I've just read the ubuntu server guide on setting and configuring dns server, in the guide it uses private ip address for the nameserver. Does this work or should I use public ip address instead of private ip?
[11:49] <maxagaz> hi
[11:49] <maxagaz> I'm trying to install ubuntu server from usb
[11:50] <DenBeiren> could someone explain what the MAAS server install is for?
[11:50] <maxagaz> but I get an error message: [!!] Load installer components from CD, Failed to copy file from CR-ROM. Retry?
[11:50] <DenBeiren> maxagaz, i would reflash the usb drive
[11:51] <maxagaz> DenBeiren: I did it twice already
[11:51] <maxagaz> DenBeiren: with ubuntu 12.04 server and 13.04 now
[11:51] <maxagaz> DenBeiren: using Unetbootin
[11:58] <DenBeiren> maxagaz, try different stick, or burn cd
[11:58] <maxagaz> DenBeiren: I don't have cd drive
[12:50] <frojnd> Hi there.
[12:51] <frojnd> Today I tried and setup OpenVPN on one server because I'm gonna visit some "unsafe" countries in the near future... the problem is on client *I think* I tried to connect and I keep getting those two errors: TLS Error: TLS key negotiation failed to occur within 60 seconds (check your network connectivity) and TLS Error: TLS handshake failed
[12:52] <frojnd> Little ducking suggested that in 99% the root cause is lousy firewalls, so I've tried and switched to proto tcp on server, I still get this errors.
[12:53] <frojnd> I use software firewall on the server: ufw, and I've enabled 1194/tcp and 1194/udp
[12:54] <frojnd> I've also double clecked that port is the same on client '1194'
[12:58] <frojnd> I do however see something like this when I'm running openvpn /etc/openvpn/server.conf http://sprunge.us/LdWB
[12:58] <frojnd> Again little duck ducking suggested that I should look for a port that is already in use but I can't find it from this message.
[13:00] <frojnd> ah.. that's because previously  was already running openvpn, I started it within initd
[13:00] <frojnd> so no errors on server side
[13:01] <frojnd> bah annoying proble, how can I solve it for clients?
[13:18] <johnrochie> HI guys, how is everyone?
[13:20] <johnrochie> I've set myself up a home version of Ubuntu server and I was wondering if it would be possible to store a copy of an operating system on it and then network boot to install the system?
[13:24] <ikonia> johnrochie: look up pxebooting
[13:55] <frojnd> Any ideas on my OpenVPN problem? :)
[13:55] <frojnd> The documentation I was diggin up was: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openvpn.html
[15:01] <qman__> frojnd, make sure you stop with init.d and then kill off all openvpn processes, then start with init.d
[15:01] <qman__> also make sure your client conf uses the same options as the server conf
[15:02] <qman__> and also, if you're on the same network with the server and client, it's not going to work
[15:02] <qman__> if you have more than one network on your local internet connection, you still need to enable loopback routing if you want that to work
[15:03] <qman__> another thing to consider, make sure the network you want to VPN into uses an unusual IP scheme, as you can't have the same IP scheme at both ends of the tunnel
[15:04] <qman__> e.g. if you have 192.168.1.x at home, and 192.168.1.x while traveling, you won't be able to connect
[18:19] <Alex_JB> Hi everyone!
[18:54] <stetho> Hi all. I'm trying to get to grips with PXE booting, apt mirror and kickstart - I've got the PXE booting working and if I set an existing machine to do its updates from my local apt-mirror that works as well. However, if I create a ks.cfg file with the line url --url http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu it fails. The installer says it can't find the mirror, the log says http://<IP_ADDRESS>/ubuntu//dists - 404; I think that doub
[18:54] <stetho> slash is my problem but I can't figure out where it's coming from.
[20:49] <frojnd> qman__: here?
[20:49] <frojnd> qman__: server has only external IP address assigned to ethernet card, so no problwms with 192.168.1.*
[20:50] <frojnd> I've started and stopped OpenVPN with /etc/init.d/openvpn start/stop
[20:50] <frojnd> qman__: is there any generator for configs I do have config for server and I did create one or client but I'm just wondering if there is some kind of generator