[08:26] <FourDollars> ilasc: The webhook for the private Git repository on Launchpad malfunctioned. For example, https://code.launchpad.net/~cyruslien/oem-dev-tools/+git/lp-fish-tools/+merge/403239 should trigger the webhook on https://code.launchpad.net/~oem-solutions-group/oem-dev-tools/+git/lp-fish-tools/+webhook/13325, but it doesn't.
[08:30] <ilasc> FourDollars: I can't actually see https://code.launchpad.net/~oem-solutions-group/oem-dev-tools/+git/lp-fish-tools/+webhook/13325 Will have a look at logs in a few moments and get back to you on this
[08:30] <FourDollars> ilasc: OK. Thx.
[10:07] <ilasc> FourDollars: didn't forget about this, grepping through logs now
[10:41] <ilasc> FourDollars: indeed our logs do not show the webhook being scheduled, but no error found yet around it, will dig deeper after lunch unless anyone else has a better idea in the meantime
[10:42]  * FourDollars ack
[13:02] <ilasc> FourDollars: this looks like a bug indeed, although went to file it and found something similar:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1888396 Will be looking at it in more detail and propose a fix this week
[13:35] <FourDollars> ilasc++


[00:38] <elky> obnoxious, but no different to someone putting half a novel in there really
[00:51] <bazhang> hehe
[00:58] <Jordan_U> bazhang: Any reason you haven't kicked qzt?
[00:58] <Jordan_U> s/z/x/
[00:58] <bazhang> Jordan_U, trying to catalyze via PM
[00:58] <Jordan_U> OK.
[00:59] <bazhang> ilogic bears watching
[01:17] <Jordan_U> bazhang: If you aren't actively in the process of anything I'm going to ban qxt.
[01:19] <Jordan_U> And I guess freenode staff should be contacted about the clear intention of continual ban evasion?
[01:31] <qxt> qin your just mad because your from China and got a really small rick dick. What are you going to do cry.
[01:32]  * rww giggles
[01:32] <Flannel> yay forwards
[01:34] <rww> qxt: Howdy. Have a couple of minutes to talk?
[01:34] <qxt> if you can help me with a subprocess with the ipSec of OpenBSD sure
[01:34] <qxt> I am coding atm
[01:34] <qxt> what would you like to talk about
[01:35] <rww> qxt: not really, no. Would you mind staying out of #ubuntu until you get done coding and then pop back here? I think chatting about your behavior would be a bit more productive than playing cat and mouse.
[01:36] <qxt> we are legion we are one
[01:36] <qxt> who should stay out?
[01:37] <rww> Yes, yes, I know. Anonymous and ED and all that. Regardless, it does get a bit boring after a while, and I'm sure we both have more interesting things to do :)
[01:37] <qxt> We are not "really" anon
[01:38] <rww> Anyways, when you get done tinkering with IPsec, let me know and we'll have a chat :)
[01:39] <qxt> it done and we are wondering why weev took out Freenode a few years ago?
[01:39] <rww> I think he was bored and finds that sort of thing amusing.
[01:40] <qxt> We like irc. Have our own servers. Was dumb of him to do that.
[01:40] <qxt> Nice guy though
[01:40] <qxt> Sucks the Feds nailed him for the ipad thing
[01:40] <qxt> so you see some headers...wow
[01:41] <qxt> should we change them?
[01:41] <rww> Not really. I ran across him right before he got v&. Was a bit tedious.
[01:41] <qxt> irssi xchat bitchx
[01:41] <rww> Anyway, this is unrelated to your ban in #ubuntu.  We seem to have a bit of a problem. #ubuntu is for Ubuntu technical support, and only Ubuntu technical support, but you were being more than a bit offtopic and uncivil. Do you think you could perhaps behave more?
[01:43] <qxt> tell me what you think about weev?
[01:44] <rww> qxt: I just said, I don't know him well, and we didn't exactly get along smashingly when we ran up against each other :(
[01:45] <rww> qxt: Would you kindly discuss our current issue, though?
[01:45] <qxt> rww how did he take out Freenode. Is it true it became and admin here.
[01:45] <qxt> rww I know the story...
[01:46] <rww> qxt: If I remember correctly, he got lilo's i-line password from somewhere. It was before my time, though.
[01:47] <qxt> rww not quite. He impersonated the right ppl. Social engineering was his game.
[01:47] <qxt> rww wow 23 VPN services to choose from. Some with almost 2000 server. I like this set up!
[01:48] <qxt> rww you need any help with anything. Want something tested ?
[01:48] <rww> qxt: Yes, I'm well aware of how easy it is to evade bans. Like I said, it's also really boring and not very impressive. Probably best if we don't.
[01:48] <rww> qxt: nah, I'm just watching Doctor Who, not working on any programming right now
[01:49] <qxt> rww I was thinking more on the lines of RFI or something.
[01:49] <qxt> Dr who cool
[01:49] <qxt> old school stuff
[01:49] <rww> qxt: So yes. Any thoughts about your behavior in #ubuntu earlier?
[01:50] <qxt> This is not my name as you looked and no I never hang out in the Ubuntu channel
[01:51] <qxt> lol you saw the name suckitnun. The kid in me came out when I saw that in twisted wireshark
[01:51] <rww> Alrighty. We have a bit of an issue, then. I can't let you back in there unless you're going to be on-topic (meaning: ask or answer support questions) and civil (meaning: not calling people gay repeatedly, which is a really boring insult anyway).
[01:51] <qxt> rww not sure what VPNs you might have banned but Ill make you a deal
[01:52] <rww> And we could go down the route where you use a bunch of VPNs and we ban them over and over, and both sides waste a whole lot of time, but it's been done over and over again in the past and it's really not that fun.
[01:52] <qxt> Since I am thinking about others who use those IPs who are not trolls unban them.
[01:53] <rww> Yeah, that's another issue with that path.
[01:53] <qxt> rww I have 23 VPN companies to choose from. Each with like 2000 servers as said. I dont care really about me.
[01:54] <rww> qxt: I know. I have a fairly large list of proxy servers, myself. Nothing to really get excited over :\
[01:54] <qxt> you have fake headers and don't know if I am Goatse Security or some script kiddy.
[01:55] <qxt> yeah the debian thing is half right though.
[01:55] <qxt> Or if I hacked somebodies VPN account
[01:56] <qxt> dang that Hydra!
[01:56] <gry> the latter then I guess
[01:57] <qxt> good guess
[01:57] <rww> Alrighty, this is all fairly irrelevant, as I mentioned. Can we move on?
[01:58] <qxt> checkconnection() { echo "Checking connection in $check_wait seconds..."; while [[ 1 ]]; do sleep $check_wait; echo "Checking connection..."; _tunnels=$(ifconfig -s tun 2>/dev/null); IFS=$'\n'; _tunnels=( $_tunnels ); if [[ ${#_tunnels[@]} -gt $tunnels ]]; then echo "VPN connected.";
[01:58] <qxt> ooops
[01:59] <qxt> well I am getting tired. Its late on on the moon. Be nice to the poor vic that was hacked. Not sure whos account this is.
[01:59] <qxt> See ya
[01:59] <rww> Heh, I hope you're thanking onryo for that script :)
[02:00] <rww> sigh
 StepNjump: bazhang read my name backward. You know who I am, be nice and we will be nice.
[02:47] <bazhang> qxt I guess
[03:12] <elky> in reference to laptop screens... <Evollana> raldu Get some sand paper and rub that gloss out. I did. Use a fine grit though.
[03:12] <elky> ...
[03:31] <rww> bazhang: no idea. Evollana's using shellmix, which is a crappy shell host but not the VPNs qxt was talking about.
[03:31] <bazhang> rww, the reference to 'we' was what made me suspect that
[03:31] <rww> mhm
[03:31] <rww> oh well, if they're mostly behaving now...
[03:32] <bazhang> indeed
 does ubuntu use  APT or zypper
[03:51] <bazhang> usual nonsense
[03:56] <bazhang> a PPA of unity ?
[03:56] <bazhang> augh
[04:03] <bazhang> * amin` has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
[04:03] <bazhang> * Evollana is now known as qxt
[04:04] <bazhang> whoops
[04:04] <bazhang> ignore the first line
[04:08] <qxt> sup bazhang ? thought we had a deal? Been helping more ppl out with there Ubuntu problems then that whole # for the last hour and then you mute me?
[04:08] <qxt> their*
[04:08] <bazhang> qxt, excuse me?
[04:08] <qxt> bazhang, yeah and I asked you if you still hate me
[04:09] <bazhang> qxt, what deal was this
[04:09] <qxt> bazhang you know that I was Evollana
[04:09] <qxt> bazhang, when I logged in I said Ill be nice if you are nice
[04:10] <bazhang> qxt, I certainly suspected
[04:10] <bazhang> being muted and then ban evading, don't recall any deal involved
[04:10] <bazhang> rww, your ban if I am not mistaken
[04:11] <qxt> bazhang, did you not miss the talk rww and I had?
[04:11] <bazhang> qxt, since he set the ban, you can discuss with him
[04:13] <qxt> bazhang, lol, I am not worried about the ban thing. Got zillions of servers. rww said their was no point in banning me and that it was a cat and mouse game.  It was when I changed my name back to qxt that you muted me.
[04:15] <bazhang> qxt, thats not correct
[04:15] <qxt> bazhang, really.....
[04:15] <bazhang> yes.
[04:16] <bazhang> as he does not seem to be around feel free to drop by later to discuss with him qxt
[04:17] <qxt> so why was I in there for like 2 hours and even talked to you as Evollana and had zero problems.
[04:17] <bazhang> I dont pre-emptively ban based on suspicions
[04:18] <IdleOne> qxt: do your logs show anybody setting a +q after you changed nick back to qxt ?
[04:18] <qxt> bazhang I don't care about the ban. What pissed me off is that I kept my end of the deal
[04:18] <bazhang> there was never a deal..
[04:19] <qxt> bazhang, rww asked to to refrain from # for a little while before I went back.
[04:20] <qxt> bazhang, I take it that Dr. Who is over so if you are not pm'n him now ask.
[04:20] <IdleOne> qxt: do your logs show anybody setting a +q after you changed nick back to qxt ?
[04:21] <qxt> bazhang, looking
[04:21] <qxt> bazhang, was in shell using irssi and closed it.
[04:22] <qxt> This VM is using xchat but I was not in # then.
[04:23] <qxt> Even if the headers say something else. I change them all the time
[04:23] <bazhang> qxt, well, regardless there was never a deal, you perhaps misunderstood. feel free to come back to discuss with rww as he seems to have headed off to sleep.
[04:24] <qxt> bazhang, I really don't think you have much say in when and where I go. You decide if I am going to be nice though.
[04:25] <qxt> bazhang, and if you dont think that I was being and assist to that # I dont know what is.
[04:26] <bazhang> qxt, there is no karma. follow the code of conduct and the guidelines in the channel, please.
[04:27] <qxt> bazhang, are you nuts. read the last 2 hours of help I was giving ppl under the name Evollana
[04:28] <qxt> bazhang, and nobody including you have dyslexia. Since you did not read my name backward.
[04:29] <IdleOne> We did, consider yourself lucky we let you stay in the channel with the nick.
[04:29] <IdleOne> Please come back in the morning and talk to rww.
[04:29] <qxt> IdleOne, ah come on. I know you have a little smirk on your face.
[04:30] <qxt> rww we going to have a ban war again.... sighhhhhh
[04:33] <qxt> IdleOne, are you the also known as Xc1le on the BackTrack team?
[04:33] <IdleOne> that isn't me, no.
[04:33] <IdleOne> never even tried backtrack.
[04:33] <qxt> IdleOne, kk, he was a dev there.
[04:34] <qxt> IdleOne, cool guy/nice guy btw
[04:34] <IdleOne> thanks I try
[04:34] <IdleOne> oh, you mean him.
[04:35] <qxt> IdleOne, yeah he was/is I dont know you well enough.
[04:35] <IdleOne> qxt: How about you take the rest of the night off and give our ops a break, come back in the morning and talk to rww about this ok?
[04:35] <qxt> Yeah its like 6pm here in Hawaii.... should get some sleep maybe.
[04:37] <qxt> IdleOne, I am soooo not worried about the bans... its just that I said I would be nice if... and I was.
[04:37] <IdleOne> 6:30 actually. So can you please part this channel.
[04:39] <qxt> IdleOne, Yeah you know rww must be English I would guess
[04:39] <qxt> IdleOne, god is in the details
[04:39] <IdleOne> Don't see how that is relevant but it isn't a fact he has hidden.
[04:39] <qxt> IdleOne, who would watch Dr. Who at the hour I talk to him
[04:40] <qxt> rww a guess
[04:40] <qxt> IdleOne, I like to guess things. I pllandfyyyy dumb. Never show my cards
[04:40] <qxt> IdleOne, good night
[04:40] <IdleOne> Good night.
[04:41] <bazhang> well played IdleOne
[09:15] <Catson> Hey anyone?
[09:16] <LjL> hi
[09:26] <Myrtti> whazzup
[09:28] <popey> Word.
[09:40] <elky> Catson, is there something we can help you with?
[09:48] <elky> Catson, why are you here?
[09:49] <LjL> i suspect because he thought he couldn't speak in #ubuntu, which might have been a glitch with the floodbots
[09:51] <elky> ah, he wasn't showing up in the tracker
[09:52] <elky> did they mute all the things?
[09:52] <LjL> he's muted by default because he's a webchat user
[09:53] <elky> ah
[09:53] <LjL> one of the floodbots crashed earlier, i'm thinking the exception might not have got set for him
[09:53] <elky> well i see him chatting in backscroll
[09:54] <elky> so it did work at some point
[09:54] <LjL> yeah
[09:54] <elky> Catson, i'm going to remove you from here because we like to keep the channel clear of idlers so we know who needs attention. if you have further issues with the channels, you can come back and talk to us about them
[10:22] <bazhang> just can't wait for 11.10 release
[12:24] <ikonia> LjL: am I reading this right ? you seem to be up on this technology
[12:45] <knome> bazhang, is it out?
[15:10] <ikonia> pythonsnake: why do you keep stating "kubuntu / KDE is awesome" randomly to people
[15:11] <pythonsnake> because I love it
[15:11] <pythonsnake> I wish to discuss my remova :)
[15:12] <ikonia> pythonsnake: I understand that you love it, and that's great.
[15:12] <ikonia> however I've asked you not to do it randomly,
[15:12] <ikonia> yet you keep doing it, hence why you where removed.
[15:12] <ikonia> the topic of the channel is support disucsison, and I appreciate there can be movement on that as a disucssion unfolds.
[15:13] <ikonia> however to just ramdonly keep saying "kubuntu/kde is amazing" out of the blue, isn't really helpful/useful in any way
[15:13] <ikonia> pythonsnake: do you understand ?
[15:14] <pythonsnake> Yes
[15:15] <ikonia> pythonsnake: so you understand/agree to stop the random comments ?
[15:15] <pythonsnake> yes
[15:15] <ikonia> ok, please leave this channel and return to #ubuntu, but please keep in mind what we've discussed
[15:42] <Tm_T> vibhav: hi, how can we help you?
[15:42] <vibhav> hey some guy is sending offensive messages to me
[15:42] <vibhav> name-rosalinda
[15:42] <vibhav> please kick him
[15:43] <oCean> again?
[15:43] <vibhav> !?
[15:43] <vibhav> kick rosalinda
[15:44] <vibhav> You want the screenshot?
[15:44] <oCean> no need, we had earlier mentions of that
[15:44] <vibhav> why not kick him then?
[15:45] <oCean> mrmist: ^
[15:45] <oCean> vibhav: I just did
[15:45] <vibhav> then the bot changed his name?
[15:45] <oCean> what?
[15:46] <vibhav> The bot rejoined?
[15:46] <oCean> what and where
[15:46] <vibhav> just now
[15:46] <oCean> vibhav: we're in many channel, so some details would be nice
[15:46] <Tm_T> vibhav: to clarify something: kicking an user from a channel doesn't stop PM
[15:47] <vibhav> his name is rosalinda
[15:47] <oCean> vibhav: we cannot control PM
[15:47] <vibhav> I joined just now and I got this message
[15:47] <oCean> you can report it in #freenode channel
[15:47] <oCean> vibhav: once more
[15:47] <oCean> WHERE
[15:48] <vibhav> http://is.gd/dG0jLg check the screenshot
[15:48] <oCean> vibhav:
[15:48] <oCean> no
[15:48] <oCean> vibhav: I removed/banned that user from #ubuntu channel
[15:48] <vibhav> so how did he do that
[15:48] <oCean> vibhav: do what?
[15:49] <vibhav> rejoin
[15:49] <vibhav> to pm me
[15:49] <oCean> vibhav: you don't understand
[15:49] <Tm_T> vibhav: we cannot control private messages, they don't need to be on any channel to send private messages
[15:49] <oCean> you joined #ubuntu at 17:41
[15:49] <oCean> I removed them at 17:45
[15:50] <oCean> well, 44
[15:50] <oCean> vibhav: we don't control pm
[15:50] <vibhav> O_o
[15:52] <oCean> vibhav: so, thanks for reporting, is there anything else?
[15:55] <oCean> vibhav: ?
[16:14] <h00k> vibhav: how can we help you?
[16:17] <h00k> vibhav: if you don't have anything additional, please part as this channel is not for idling
[16:18] <h00k> Thanks
[16:57] <oCean> pythonsnake: well, we'
[16:57] <oCean> err
[16:57] <pythonsnake> rosalinda in #ubuntu spam me "hii sex cam http://msn-live.net.ms
[16:57] <pythonsnake> "
[16:57] <oCean> pythonsnake: well, we've noticed now. Thanks for reporting
[16:58] <pythonsnake> :)
[17:05] <Corey> Sorted.
[17:39] <oCean> pythonsnake_> well sorry for offtopic comments again..
[17:39] <oCean> sigh
[17:58] <oCean> pythonsnake> ikonia: I'm sorry, I was just testing something..
[17:58] <oCean> he's just trying us
[18:13] <Corey> http://pastebin.com/Kc8QGvh2 Now that's just broken. :-)
[18:43] <rww> I wish people would stop with the "I know $topic is offtopic for $currentChan, but I'm going to ask anyway!" crap.
[18:43] <rww> Makes me want to /ar $0 consider actually following !guidelines
[18:44] <Jordan_U> Incidentily, '$0' almost looks like a reasonable emoticon for 'troll'.
[19:20] <LjL> rww: i was thinking of adding a factoidforthat yesterday
[19:20] <rww> so I take it the IRCC meeting flopped
[19:21] <rww> maybe someone on IRCC should actually send meeting notifications ahead of time, since even IRCC forget they're coming up
[19:21] <rww> because apparently the "put it on your calendar" I got when I asked for them isn't working
[19:21] <rww> since, you know, 3/5 of IRCC don't do that either apparently
[19:50] <rww> alrighty, so attendence at IRCC meetings going back to when the meeting time last changed:
[19:50] <rww> topyli: 7, jussi: 5, tsimpson: 3, elky: 2, nhandler: 2
[19:51] <rww> 3/5 IRCC people not showing up to more than 50% of meetings seems to indicate to me that /something/ needs changing. meeting times, notifications, iono what.
[19:53] <topyli> nhandler used to send reminders, but we just let our google calendar do it now
[19:53] <rww> and I asked that he continue to do so and he didn't
[19:54] <rww> that he's only shown up to two meetings seems to indicate that he wasn't right about that perhaps :\
[20:02] <elky> the meetings are, for some of us, at "plausible but not reliable" times.
[20:03] <rww> nod. I don't know whether the issue is that meeting times need changing again or that there's a process failure, but there is indeed an issue.
[20:03] <elky> i think it's the meeting times.
[20:03] <elky> nhandler often sends apologies because he's otherwise occupied, although quite awake
[20:04] <elky> rww, your stats also aren't including the 'Hmm, where is everyone' meetings.
[20:04] <rww> elky: they're including all meetings where someone showed up
[20:04] <elky> yeah, i know
[20:04] <rww> including topyli wandering in and being all "oh look i am king of the meeting"
[20:05] <rww> It's a bit facepalmy to me that we simultaneously need IRCC people to be online at the same time to do meetings and need IRCC people to be online at different times of the day to deal with things like cloak requests
[20:05] <elky> ah, see, i look in the ircc channel first
[20:05] <elky> rww, utterly, yes.
[20:06] <Corey> Perhaps expand the IRCC and institute a quorum.
[20:07] <rww> Corey: there's downsides to that though, like increasing the possibility for drama in the IRCC
[20:11] <Flannel> Corey: increasing membership also increases the quorum requirement though.  Attendance statistics like the above make me think that it's something else, and that if we had more people, it'd just be proportionally more inattendance
[20:13] <Flannel> rww: Cloak requests are the only thing that requires IRCC to be around 'all the time', right?
[20:14] <rww> Flannel: assuming that we don't need real-time intervention by IRCC (as "super-ops"), which I don't think we do
[20:14] <elky> and we're limited to freenode's GC limit there
[20:14] <rww> *nod*
[20:15] <Flannel> Well, I imagine we can probably figure something out for less disruptive cloak requests, but I don't think that's related to meeting attendance.
[20:15] <topyli> i'm not sure how important it is that cloak requests are handled real-time, as long as they're not missed and do get actioned on
[20:15] <topyli> sooner the better of course, it's not nice to leave people hanging
[20:16] <rww> From freenode's end, it's not important at all.
[20:16] <Flannel> Sure, but a few hours of turnaround at off peak times is no big deal.
[20:16] <rww> The hangup appears to be entirely on Ubuntu's end, and I think involves that LP group for cloaked users?
[20:16] <rww> which for some reason we think needs to be updated right when the cloak is set
[20:17] <rww> Normal procedure for group cloaks in general is 1) user asks GC, 2) GC asks a freenode staffer, 3) staff ask the user to confirm if they didn't see (1), 4) cloak applied when the user replies
[20:18] <rww> ours appears to be 1) user asks #ubuntu-irc, 2) hopefully a GC turns up before the user gets bored and leaves, 3) if not, repeat (1) 4) GC pokes staff, 5) cloak applied in realtime unless the user gets bored before a staffer shows up
[20:19] <Flannel> rww: Again, I don't think the cloak process has anything to do with the meeting attendance.  Not that it doesn't have kinks that could be worked out.
[20:19] <rww> Flannel: The fact that we have two things IRCC members have to do that have opposite requirements is a bit silly.
[20:19] <rww> And a few hours of turnaround often turns into days before someone on IRCC's around when the Member is
[20:21] <rww> but yes, this is a bit of a tangent
[20:21] <Flannel> rww: I don't think IRCC feels a need to be around 24h a day to respond to cloak requests, so while our process seems to indicate it, I don't think it's actually affecting anything.
[20:43] <rww> Can someone confirm that natali is spamming on-join in #ubuntu? They never do it for me.
[20:44] <Flannel> rww: confirmed.
[20:52] <Myrtti> bayesian: hi
[20:52] <bayesian> levae me alone
[20:53] <rww> bayesian: something we can help you with?
[20:55] <IdleOne> leave you alone?
[20:55] <rww> bayesian: if not, please /part the channel so that we can keep track of who needs assistance
[20:55] <bayesian> busy
[20:56] <bayesian> hi
[20:56] <rww> bayesian: Hi. Why are you /joining this channel?
[20:56] <bayesian> ill pm upi when i hav einfo
[20:57] <bayesian> rww just go away
[20:57] <bayesian> ill deal with it
[20:57] <bayesian> i dont need your kick
[20:57] <IdleOne> bayesian: state your purpose for joining this channel.
[20:57] <bayesian> PM me
[20:57] <Myrtti> why?
[20:58] <bayesian> i have ot raise an issue
[20:58] <rww> bayesian: Then raise it.
[20:58] <IdleOne> bayesian: raise it.
[20:58] <bayesian> calm down
[21:00] <IdleOne> bayesian: Please either state why you have joined this channel or part now.
[21:01] <bayesian> PLEASE
[21:01] <bayesian> i have an to check entire column
[21:01] <IdleOne> column of what?>
[21:01] <bayesian> data
[21:02] <bayesian> if youll have patiene
[21:02] <bayesian> patience
[21:02] <IdleOne> I don't.
[21:02] <bayesian> im trying to get help
[21:02] <IdleOne> with?
[21:02] <bayesian> do you want to me paste it raw??
[21:02] <elky> there's pastebins for that.
[21:03] <IdleOne> I want you to tell me why you are here.
[21:03] <bayesian> i said so
[21:03] <bayesian> if you can stop distracting me ill paste it
[21:08] <elky> bayesian, it does not take this long to paste something. If you really must do it in PM, PM me. Just don't sit here doing nothing.
[21:08] <bayesian> thanks
[21:08] <bayesian> PM me
[21:08] <elky> No, you want a PM, you initiate it.
[21:09] <bayesian> ok
[21:10] <elky> Well?
[21:13] <elky> bayesian, I don't appreciate my time being misused like this. I have offered you the opportunity to PM me, and you are not PMing me.
[21:15] <bayesian> sorry I got distractged
[21:18] <elky> bayesian, I am rapidly losing patience with you.
[21:19] <bayesian> excuse me?
[21:19] <ikonia> kick this joker. It's gone on long enough.
[21:20] <bayesian> ive already been kicked twice
[21:20] <bayesian> im trying to deal with two things at once
[21:20] <ikonia> bayesian: then come back when you want to deal with this one.  LEAVE.
[21:21] <IdleOne> you've been given 30 minutes
[21:22] <bayesian> its all this distractrion
[21:22] <bayesian> I jut awnt to ask a simple q
[21:22] <IdleOne> ask it.
[21:22] <elky> bayesian, you are asking that I sit here, during my work time in which I must account for all time spent, and wait, paying attention, for you to decide to communicate at whim?
[21:22] <bayesian> no elky
[21:22] <bayesian> if youre away its not a probolem
[21:22] <bayesian> i didnt want to rush you
[21:22] <elky> bayesian, then please communicate, this channel is not for idling in. That's why you're getting removed.
[21:22] <bayesian> and i just ask the same of me
[21:28] <elky> that was less than helpful.
[21:29] <ikonia> thats my fault that I pushed for that, but as soon as he was banned from here he logged off.
[21:29] <ikonia> I have no belief that there was any genuine issue beyond time wasting
[21:30] <IdleOne> it wasn't your fault.
[21:37] <elky> From my work IRC channel: <ben> " Microsoft's IE developers have a friendly tradition of sending Mozilla's Firefox developers a congratulatory cake whenever a new edition of Firefox debuts" <ben> I think I've found the cause of the shorter release cycles
[21:37] <elky> aaand, that was wc.
[21:52] <Koheleth> Hi there, anyone remove my ban please?
[21:53] <Koheleth> Been well over a week now
[21:58] <Koheleth> Anyone with a yes or no please!
[21:59] <ikonia> Koheleth: the time isn't the factor here.
[22:00] <Koheleth> so what is
[22:00] <ikonia> Koheleth: I'm happy to remove the ban, if you can stop with the annoying behaviour such as pretending to be drunk
[22:00] <Koheleth> ok, done
[22:01] <ikonia> no problem then.
[22:01] <ikonia> one moment please.
[22:01] <Koheleth> thanks
[22:01] <ikonia> (please keep in mind, I'm not saying "just" pretending to be drunk, but that sort of annoying random distruptive behaviour)
[22:01] <ikonia> you do understand that ?
[22:02] <Koheleth> sure, great thanks again
[22:02] <ikonia> no problem, just give me a minute and I'll have this removed for you
[22:02] <Koheleth> great luvly jubly
[22:03] <Koheleth> english expression for superb
[22:03] <ikonia> I know, I'm English
[22:03] <ikonia> can you please try to join now.
[22:03] <Koheleth> ok, thanks
[22:04] <ikonia> ok, please keep in mind what we've discussed today and in the past about your contribution to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:04] <ikonia> and you're welcome to leave this channel now.
[23:43] <urlin2u> please look at the flowr at #ubuntu an unallfilated
[23:44] <elky> urlin2u, i have been since before you looked here, thanks :)
[23:44] <urlin2u> no prob


[09:14] <Chipaca> good morning all!
[09:56] <jam> morning Chipaca
[09:57] <Chipaca> jam: how's things?
[10:30] <stub> jam: controller state dropped in with no changes, looks happy: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/p6nx4wz8vm/
[10:55] <facubatista> :helo:
[10:55] <facubatista> ¡Muy buenos días a todos!
[12:16] <facubatista> Chipaca, please remember my https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/75
[12:16] <mup> PR charmcraft#75: Support for pushing bytes to the Storage <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/75>
[12:29] <facubatista> Chipaca, do we plan to have "docs on the web" for charmcraft the tool? like a RTD or even a category in Juju's Discourse? Something to point to from the command line help
[12:42]  * facubatista brb
[12:49]  * facubatista is back
[12:50] <Chipaca> facubatista: saying we _plan_ to have that is a bit much, but I'm not opposed to the idea
[12:50] <facubatista> Chipaca, ack
[12:53] <Chipaca> jam: you didn't _actually_ review #352 btw, you just pretended to
[12:53] <mup> PR #352: make ops.lib.use support relative submodules <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/352>
[12:54] <jam> fine... :)
[12:55]  * Chipaca reads that in beuno's voice
[12:56] <mup> Issue operator#351 closed: ops.lib.use does not support submodules <Created by chipaca> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/351>
[12:56] <mup> PR operator#352 closed: make ops.lib.use support relative submodules <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/352>
[12:56]  * Chipaca lands ALL the things
[12:57] <Chipaca> now i just need to do the same thing with all the issues
[12:57] <mup> PR operator#355 closed: readme tweaks (including link to the api docs) <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/355>
[12:57] <jam> all the... small things...
[13:01] <Chipaca> it
[13:01] <Chipaca> it's not the size of the pr that matters
[13:01] <Chipaca> or something
[13:10] <Chipaca> brb fiddling with the hardware again
[13:40] <facubatista> jam, oops, sorry, you were saying something
[13:40] <jam> facubatista, I just said bye
[13:40] <facubatista> :)
[14:58]  * Chipaca zzz
[14:59]  * Chipaca goes to get some tea
[16:01] <Chipaca> facubatista: meeting?
[16:01] <Chipaca> facubatista: ah there you are :-)
[16:27] <Chipaca> I suddenly realised why I've been feeling "bleh" all day, when i noticed my face wasn't red because of a weird camera effect
[16:27] <Chipaca> it's actually that red in the mirror too
[16:27] <Chipaca> i guess i got a bit toasted running yesterday :-)
[16:41] <Chipaca> oh dang the dev summary
[16:41] <Chipaca> the sprint threw me off :-|
[16:43] <facubatista> je
[16:43] <Chipaca> i guess i'll write it up today and have you two check it as available
[16:43] <Chipaca> but not now, now i need a break, and maybe a meal
[16:44] <Chipaca> so ttfn, ttyl, etc ;-)
[16:44] <facubatista> :)
[19:37] <facubatista> Chipaca, jam, this is ready for review, now: https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/76
[19:37] <mup> PR charmcraft#76: Store upload <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/76>
[20:29] <crodriguez> hi facubatista . I'm trying to import charmcraft instead of having the submodule in my charm. I added it to my dev-requirements.in, ran make build, and deployed mycharm.charm . However, my charm fails on install because it does not find the ops module
[20:29] <crodriguez> I'm unsure of what I'm doing wrong here
[20:30] <facubatista> hola crodriguez
[20:30] <crodriguez> (all of this inside a virtualenv)
[20:30] <facubatista> crodriguez, import charmcraft or import ops?
[20:30] <facubatista> crodriguez, charmcraft is a command line tool, you should not import it
[20:31] <crodriguez> yeah that's what I meant. import ops.charm
[20:31] <facubatista> crodriguez, are you using charmcraft to build the charm?
[20:32] <facubatista> crodriguez, would you remind me the url of your project?
[20:33] <crodriguez> I mentioned charmcraft because that's the package to install. Maybe I got confused by Maglana's new template. He's using make, not charmcraft build
[20:33] <crodriguez> let me try to build it once more
[20:33]  * facubatista checks it
[20:33] <crodriguez> it's a new project facubatista https://github.com/camille-rodriguez/charm-iscsi-connector
[20:35] <facubatista> it should be easier
[20:36] <facubatista> it looks that Makefile is using charmcraft to build
[20:36] <facubatista> but at the same time hiding it
[20:36] <facubatista> @(python -m charmcraft build 2>&1 || echo "charmcraft build error") | tee .last-build
[20:36] <facubatista> this template is doing so many things I fail to understand it
[20:37] <facubatista> crodriguez, I see your requirements.txt is fine
[20:38] <crodriguez> hah, he showed it to us this morning in a presentation. He wrote it a few days ago, so it's still fresh. But it's an attempt at automating build, adding tests, and providing a way to deal with pip dependencies by adding pip-compile
[20:38] <facubatista> you don't need to deal with pip dependencies
[20:38] <facubatista> charmcraft does
[20:39] <facubatista> `charmcraft` shouldn't be used as a dependency ideally, but from the snap
[20:39] <crodriguez> well charmcraft build or make build both are failing me rn so it's not the template lol
[20:40] <facubatista> crodriguez, 1'
[20:42] <crodriguez> this is a subordinate charm. Could it not be installing its dependencies correctly upon deployment?
[20:43] <facubatista> this template is not good
[20:43] <facubatista> it's super mixing old and new stuff
[20:43] <facubatista> crodriguez, let's start to clean it a little to make your charm work
[20:44] <crodriguez> alright I can revert to my previous commit, when I didnt have the template and still had the submodule
[20:44] <facubatista> crodriguez, that would be better
[20:44] <facubatista> crodriguez, and we work from there
[20:44] <facubatista> crodriguez, let me know when you did that so I re-clone
[20:45] <crodriguez> ok ! yeah I'll ping you whenever I'm ready
[20:45] <facubatista> crodriguez, I'm close to EOD, but I can wait for you
[20:46] <facubatista> crodriguez, or we can do this first time tomorrow... I just don't want to block you
[20:46] <crodriguez> oh same here, so don't wait on me. I'll update you tomorrow, thanks :)
[20:46] <crodriguez> I'm doing a bit of extra coding in the sprint after-hours, nothing urgent :)
[20:47] <facubatista> crodriguez, let's work on this together tomorrow, I'm super interested in enabling an easy path in these cases
[20:47] <facubatista> we can HO or whatever
[20:48]  * facubatista needs to reboot, brb


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[14:47] <tsimonq2> !standup | ^
[14:50] <The_LoudSpeaker> for a moment there I thought today was thursday.
 @SamuelBanya does not exist
 has he changed his nickname?
 I think he might have deleted his account
 oh well
 https://project-metrics.lubuntu.me/
 I added Discourse there
 The point of the stats is to track movement over time and such
 Okay


[00:39] <directhex> howdy. the maas website lists microsoft as a customer. can someone In The Know(tm) let me know the name(s) of those involved? i'd like to talk to them about their experiences
[14:06] <mup> Bug # changed: 1559353, 1680819, 1696485, 1696661, 1705594, 1718517, 1721268, 1721823, 1721824, 1721886, 1722406, 1722671, 1722848, 1724181, 1724235, 1724677, 1724904, 1725908, 1726474, 1726534, 1726865, 1727073, 1727547, 1727551, 1727568
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1726202 changed: maas rackd tftp bootstrap.py: 'Nonetype' object has no attribute 'stopListening' <cpe-onsite> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1726202>
[19:47] <edmz> if I want to setup RAID on a recently commissioned node, should I first unmount the root file system?
[20:03] <edmz> found out how
[20:25] <edmz> is there a way for MAAS to forget to give another IP to a node? I had "managed allocation" enabled and it gave my node an IP outside the reserved range. I disabled managed allocation but if I power on the node it gets the same IP again (the one outside the reserved range)
[20:56] <edmz> I edited dhcpd.conf, but the node's interface, before and after booting displays the wrong ip (the one outside the range)
[22:36] <andrew-ii53> In terms of best practices, is it a good idea to use a vlan for each subnet?
[22:36] <andrew-ii53> Or is that to help cut down on noise when many nodes are brought online?


[05:13] <bazhang> had 'hd' in PM, he refused to stop/continued with the nonsense there, told him to join here if he wished to change the situation of his being muted
[20:16] <DJones> k1l: Heads up AliExploit is bugtraq
[20:16] <k1l> yep
[20:37] <rww> IdleOne-: (you're not identified to NickServ)
[22:55] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu-touch Majmun posted his youtube spam there after he did in #ubuntu before
[22:56] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu Majmun posted his youtube spam in different ubuntu channels


[00:01]  * ahoneybun goes back to making a chroot
[00:01] <ahoneybun> mariogrip what was that package?
[00:02] <mariogrip> a browser, ill send it in soon
[00:04] <slangasek> ogra_: sure did
[00:07] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[00:18] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: https://reep.io/d/r7wsl29pzc
[00:19] <ahoneybun> downloaded going to install in a min
[00:19] <ahoneybun> the chroot is almost done
[00:20] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: thanks :D
[00:20]  * ahoneybun wonders what that is
[00:22] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: it's an html browser :)
[00:22] <mariogrip> https://github.com/browserhtml/browserhtml/
[00:22] <ahoneybun> mm sounds simple
[00:23] <ahoneybun> that's a pretty crazy idea
[00:23] <mariogrip> yep :P but it works great
[00:24] <mariogrip> browser inside a browser :P
[00:24] <mariogrip> and that you can open a browser inside that
[00:24] <mariogrip> then*
[00:24] <ahoneybun> trhe heck
[00:25] <mariogrip> :P
[00:25] <ahoneybun> I did not see a browser in a browser
[00:25] <ahoneybun> mm
[00:25] <ahoneybun> on that page anyway
[00:26] <mariogrip> not there,  but i debug it with chrome
[00:26] <mariogrip> i start an nodejs server that serves this browser
[00:26] <ahoneybun> so it is hooking into yours?
[00:27] <mariogrip> no, only when i debug. it's an standalone app
[00:27] <ogra_> you should really put that into a container that you put in a click that you run in a snap
[00:27] <ogra_> (always that half breeded stuff ... tsk )
[00:29] <mariogrip> ogra_: yeah, i'll (try to) snapcraft it
[00:30] <ogra_> :)
[00:30] <ahoneybun> the heck
[00:30] <ahoneybun> mariogrip that worked
[00:30] <ahoneybun> well Bing loaded lol
[00:31] <mariogrip> google seems to block iframe
[00:31] <mariogrip> so, google does not work
[00:31] <ahoneybun> launchpad too?
[00:31] <mariogrip> i dunno, haven't tested
[00:32] <ahoneybun> I'm saying LP did not load
[00:32] <ahoneybun> duckduckgo did
[00:33] <mariogrip> oh, yeah it seems to be blocked that to
[00:33] <mariogrip> i dunno why they block it
[00:33] <ahoneybun> weird
[00:33] <ahoneybun> want screenshot?
[00:33] <mariogrip> yeah sure :)
[00:35] <ahoneybun> mariogrip https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/26705786890/in/dateposted-public/
[00:36] <Acou_Bass> nice one :D
[00:36] <ahoneybun> lol
[00:36] <ahoneybun> Hangouts work in Convernge
[00:36] <Acou_Bass> does it work in mobile-mode?
[00:36] <ahoneybun> yea
[00:36] <ahoneybun> it did not loss the call when switching
[00:36] <Acou_Bass> i mean... im aware the hangouts.google.com site has the worlds worst mobile interface, but still
[00:36] <ahoneybun> which was amazing
[00:37] <ahoneybun> yea it does
[00:37] <ahoneybun> mariogrip https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/26705786600/in/dateposted-public/
[00:37] <ahoneybun> here is the real one lol
[00:38] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: awesome :D
[00:38] <mariogrip> also awesome picture of me :P
[00:39] <mariogrip> oh? i didn't know you could change the background https://www.flickr.com/photos/44748317@N08/26825825372/in/dateposted-public/ ahoneybun
[00:39] <ahoneybun> it just changed it in the lock screen when mobile
[00:39] <ahoneybun> but when it is docked it is the background
[00:40] <mariogrip> oh, that's cool!
[00:40]  * Acou_Bass REALLY needs to get his slimport fixed
[00:40] <ahoneybun> yea but that wallpaper was the size for the tablet
[00:40] <Acou_Bass> i wanna test convergencey stuff moe
[00:40] <ahoneybun> I need a new better one
[00:40] <ahoneybun> and a real bluetooth mouse
[00:41] <Acou_Bass> its my phonet hats duff not the cable... USB port is fiddly
[00:41] <mariogrip> lol, do have a fake bluetooth mouse :P i didn't know they existed ahoneybun
[00:41] <mariogrip> do you ha...**
[00:41] <ahoneybun> mariogrip the one I got has BLE
[00:42] <ahoneybun> which does not work atm with Ubuntu
[00:42] <ahoneybun> even desktop for some reason
[00:42] <Acou_Bass> the cable on it is that invisible string you get on those fluffy worm toys so it looks wireless ;D
[00:42] <mariogrip> ahh, ok :P
[00:42] <ahoneybun> not sure if a bluez issue in Kubuntu as well
[00:52] <ahoneybun> mariogrip tempted to use that hangout screenshot on my LoCo twitter account lol
[00:54] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: sure, go ahead :P
[00:54] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:57] <ahoneybun> mariogrip https://twitter.com/ubuntufl/status/730924757483294720
[00:59] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: :P
[01:00]  * ahoneybun wonders who is MissyUbuntuCat
[01:00] <ahoneybun> https://twitter.com/MissyUbuntuCat
[01:00] <mariogrip> it's an Norwegian hacker cat, that loves Ubuntu.
[01:01] <ahoneybun> I'm guessing you own the account
[01:01] <ahoneybun> lol
[01:02] <mariogrip> nah, it's my cats accout
[01:12] <mariogrip> here we go https://uappexplorer.com/app/browserhtml.mariogrip
[01:27] <ahoneybun> mariogrip you pushed it?
[01:27] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: yeah
[01:27] <ahoneybun> that was fast
[01:29] <mariogrip> :P
[07:41] <Awesomeslayerg> Hi all I'm wondering what Android version the latest Ubuntu touch phablet is based on?
[07:50] <Nyms> Hello
[07:51] <Nyms> I'm on a fresh ubuntu LTS install (16.04)
[07:52] <Nyms> And I would like to resume the dev' of my application
[07:52] <Nyms> It's used zbar for scanning barcode
[07:52] <Nyms> sudo apt-get install libjpeg-dev libzbar0 zbar-tools libzbar-dev libv4l-dev libqrencode-dev
[07:52] <Nyms> and I've this error : :-1: erreur : error: /usr/lib/libzbar.a: No such file or directory
[07:58] <popey> Nyms: odd, that works for me here
[07:58] <popey> oh, you get the error when you run your app?
[07:59] <popey> Nyms: maybe the app needs rebuilding?
[07:59] <popey> Nyms: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libzbar.a is where the file really is
[07:59] <popey> (on my 64-bit ubuntu install)
[08:04] <Nyms> You're right
[08:04] <Nyms> Thanks popey
[08:42] <brunch875> Am I the only one who wakes himself up by reading the mailing list in bed?
[08:52] <Smurphy> Yes... I read the Mailinglist in front of my coffe at breakfast ... :D
[08:53] <Smurphy> Talking about mailing-list. anyone got a good RSS newsfeed reader for ubuntu-touch ? the ones that are there are not yet what I really think is best TBH...
[08:56] <brunch875> I'm getting my hopes up for thunderbird to get to utouch
[08:56]  * mcphail chokes
[08:57] <mcphail> Surely thunderbird needs to be put out to pasture?
[08:57] <Smurphy> thunderbird ??? for mail ?
[08:57]  * brunch875 feels the peer pressure
[08:57] <mcphail> :)
[08:58] <brunch875> (: I suppose you're right
[08:58] <brunch875> better have multiple programs doing stuff right than one which does everything
[11:04] <brunch875> Man, pidgin is pretty sweet. I wonder if it'll reach utouch :)
[11:38] <Acou_Bass> brunch875: thats the one thing im waiting for on utouch, a multi-protocol IM program
[11:38] <Acou_Bass> sailfishOS has a super nice one, would love to see a similar thing
[11:39] <brunch875> let's STEAL it :Þ
[11:39] <Acou_Bass> wil sailfish apps run on utouch (assuming they are re-packaged correctly)?
[11:40] <Acou_Bass> i suppose if not, the best bet would be just to run pidgin in libertine for the time being ;D
[11:41] <mhall119> Acou_Bass: multi-protocol IM is planned, the developers are working on the backend stuff now to allow 3rd party plugins
[11:41] <Acou_Bass> ahhh sweet
[11:41] <brunch875> that's pretty fantastic news
[11:41] <Acou_Bass> is it going to be a seperate app? or will it be in the messaging app (or is it too eary to tell)
[11:41] <Acou_Bass> and is it using libpurple? telepathy?
[11:49] <mhall119> Acou_Bass: it's a bit more complicated because we want to ensure confinement, so your MSN plugin can't snoop on your GTalk conversations
[11:50] <Acou_Bass> ahhh true
[11:50] <JanC> doesn't the phone already use telepathy for some things?
[11:50] <mhall119> they will all be together in one app, but the framework will keep the actual code separate
[11:50] <Acou_Bass> yeah
[11:50] <mhall119> JanC: yes, the SMS app uses it
[11:51] <Acou_Bass> so visually, as far as me as joe average user can see, theyre all in one app, but under the hood, GTalk cant see MSN :D
[11:51] <mhall119> and I think the plan is for that app to become the multi-protocol app
[11:51] <mhall119> Acou_Bass: correct
[11:51] <Acou_Bass> thatd be great
[11:51] <mhall119> Acou_Bass: it all also hopefully be a simpler API than telepathy or libpurple, to make it easier to add services
[11:51] <Acou_Bass> this is a spot where i found android annoyingly lacking... and something i miss from my n900
[11:51] <JanC> will that also apply to the call app?
[11:52] <Acou_Bass> so would love to see it working on utouch ;D
[11:52] <mhall119> JanC: I'm not sure, I haven't heard of any plans for the phone app
[11:52] <JanC> would be nice to switch seamlessly between mobile calls & various VoIP
[11:52] <mhall119> Acou_Bass: tvoss might be able to tell you more about the current status and planned timeline for this
[11:53] <Acou_Bass> see, just as a non-dev i would love to see it using libpurple purely because the plugins are already there ready to be used, but i suppose as long as the biggies are implemented it doesnt matter toomuch
[11:54] <JanC> Acou_Bass: telepathy can already use libpurple to implement protocols
[11:54] <Acou_Bass> yeah but he said the new app isnt using either of them
[11:55] <JanC> well, it's already using telepathy for SMS
[11:55] <JanC> they just need to add some stuff to separate the processes that implement the protocols, I think?
[11:56] <Acou_Bass> no idea ;D either way, all sounds cool
[11:56] <JanC> well, "just"... it probably requires some work & testing to get that completely right  :)
[11:57] <Acou_Bass> anyhoo, gotta go worky :P thanks for the info mhall119
[11:57] <mhall119> np
[12:02] <JanC> I guess for text messages it would be possible to design a simpler API
[12:03] <JanC> (than telepathy/libpurple)
[12:09] <tvoss> JanC, telepathy is the underlying middleware tying things together, however, we are indeed going to offer an API that is (a.) aiming to ease backend development and (b.) allow us to alter/update/maintain telepathy without breaking existing backend implementations
[12:09] <JanC> ah, that makes sense
[12:53] <saavento> Hi
[12:54] <davmor2> saavento: hello
[12:54] <brunch875> haha
[13:39]  * lotuspsychje is running telegram snap from ubuntu-desktop
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> great work guys!!!
[17:37] <skay> hey, when I try to adb shell to my m10 should it pop up an authorization dialog? I'm not getting that
[17:44] <ogra_> skay, did you enable developer mode ?
[17:46] <skay> ogra_: yes
[17:47] <ogra_> then it should work (at least from a xenial install)
[17:47] <Funmungus> Is there any message on the client ssh'ing from?
[17:48] <ogra_> ondra, do you know if the M10 adbd is backwards compatible to older adb clients ?
[17:48]  * ogra_ always forgets
[17:53] <skay> Funmungus: is there a verbose mode for adb for phablet-shell etc?
[17:54] <skay> ogra_: using xenial
[17:54] <ogra_> Funmungus, ssh is just a normal ssh as used anywhere else in ubuntu
[17:55] <ogra_> (the sshd on the devices has key authentication hardcoded though and password login disabled ... for obvious security reasons ... you need to put your key on the device first)
[17:58] <Funmungus> There is no verbose mode for adb, as I understand.  adb --help for list of commands
[17:59] <Funmungus> As for message, I meant what happens when you type "ssh phablet@ip" from your pc?
[17:59] <skay> Funmungus: yep, I checked -h
[17:59] <skay> Funmungus: I'm not actually using ssh, I was trying adb shell
[18:01] <Funmungus> sorry my misunderstanding.  try "adb kill-server" and then "sudo adb devices"
[18:01] <Funmungus> or "adb devices" and see if it says "connected" or "no permissions"
[18:01] <ogra_> Fumif you didnt enable ssh from the terminal or a formerly established adb connection it will simply refuse
[18:02] <skay> Funmungus: unauthorized
[18:02] <skay> great googlymoogly I got the prompt
[18:02] <Funmungus> k.  "adb kill-server" and restart as root
[18:02] <ogra_> (and if you didnt copy your key in place but ssh is running it will reject the auth attempt)
[18:02] <Funmungus> Yay prompt. grats
[18:03] <skay> Funmungus: after killing hte server, and then sudo-ing adb devices I got the prompt on the tablet. thanks :)
[18:03] <Funmungus> welcome
[18:03] <skay> I recently got the tablet and haven't gotten around to playing with it much beyond browsing and reading email
[18:04] <skay> just got a bt keyboard and mouse (connected the mouse yesterday, it's not discovering today)
[18:04] <skay> and it's not discovering the keyboard at all
[18:05] <ogra_> i think many BLE devices still have some issues ... it got a bit better with the first OTA but is surely far from perfect for that device class
[18:05] <Funmungus> I just ordered mine yesterday, so I do not know device-specific things yet
[18:08] <Funmungus> Might try removing remembered devices and reconnecting though.  On my PC the BT keyboard had some difficulties with entering randomized passkey on the keyboard.
[18:09] <ogra_> if it is discovered it usually works fine ... prob is the desicovey
[18:09] <ogra_> *discovery
[18:09] <skay> I'll forget and remember, and play around a bit
[18:09] <skay> my partner just told me that going to get coffee will also help. bbiab
[18:09] <skay> ogra_: Funmungus thanks for the help
[18:10] <skay> I'm a little happier
[18:10] <ogra_> np
[18:10] <Funmungus> Welcome
[18:20] <mimecar> good evening
[18:39] <ck_aut> Hi! I have a question. Is ist possible to get read write permission on touch with tje termibal only, or do i need the android-tool-dba?
[18:40] <ck_aut> Sry...small keypad
[19:07] <pmcgowan> ah he's gone
[20:18] <sebsebseb> hi
[20:24] <mimecar> hi sebsebseb
[20:37] <Funmungus> @ck_aut, yes. as root `mount -o rw,remount /`
[20:38] <ogra_> Funmungus, thats definitely the wrong answer ... (unless he is developing the system itself)
[20:38] <ogra_> (but he is gone anyway)
[21:02] <Funmungus> Thanks ogra_, now I have looked up android-gadget-service and learned the correct way.
[21:03] <ogra_> :)
[21:04] <ogra_> making the system writable is in 99% of the cases not the right answer ... finding what the issue is the person wants to solve and helping him/her to solve it without making the device writable is the right way usually ;)
[21:22] <nhaines> ogra_: you still around?  I have a libertine question.  :)
[21:22] <ogra_> i'm in your TZ, so indeed :)
[21:23] <nhaines> Oh really?  Nice.  Where's the sprint?  :)
[21:23] <ogra_> vancouver
[21:23] <ogra_> warm and sunny :)
[21:23] <nhaines> Ooh, nice.  I see it's a beautiful 20°!
[21:24] <ogra_> (or ... hot and snappy :) )
[21:24] <nhaines> It's a lovely 25° here, hehe.
[21:24] <nhaines> Okay, so I'm doing an Ubuntu 16.04 LTS presentation tomorrow and wanted to show off Unity 8.  Since it's not working on my desktop (again), it's Nexus 7 time!
[21:24] <nhaines> The recommended image doesn't appear to have Libertine installed.  The pd image has lots of fake desktop icons.
[21:25] <nhaines> What do you recommend is the best way to run desktop apps on a Nexus 7?
[21:25] <ogra_> libertine indeed
[21:25] <ogra_> i assume you have seen the gdoc ?
[21:25] <nhaines> (I did make the tablet r/w and install things and it ran really nicely, but now that we have OTA-11 RC things, it's reflash time.)
[21:25] <ogra_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yJepibh68YaQijWO3Z3dWTtTTmzXnMmEE8eswhUXzw4/edit
[21:26] <ogra_> (you might not need the first part, since that only exists when there is a container in the ro bit ... which ubuntu-pd doesnt have i think)
[21:26] <nhaines> Yes, but I don't have libertine.
[21:26] <ogra_> in -pd ?
[21:26] <ogra_> you should
[21:26] <nhaines> In stable/ubuntu
[21:26] <ogra_> ah
[21:27] <ogra_> well, you said you'd re-flash
[21:27] <ogra_> do that with -pd then
[21:27] <nhaines> Ha, yes, I just did (with stable/ubuntu, which I was using earlier).
[21:27] <nhaines> Okay, so re-reflash.
[21:27] <ogra_> pd and then just follow the gdoc and install your apps
[21:28] <ogra_> (and perhaps wipe the .desktop files for the non-existing apps in -pd)
[21:28] <nhaines> Can I remove the false icons?  Like, if I want to install GIMP?
[21:29] <ogra_> you need a new .desktop file anywaŷ for the new container ...
[21:29] <ogra_> you can use that one as input indeed
[21:29] <nhaines> What exactly was OTA-11 supposed to do to make managing Libertine more user-friendly, btw?  I haven't noticed any changes since OTA-10.  :)
[21:30] <SylvieLorxu> Is OTA-11 out?
[21:31] <nhaines> SylvieLorxu: probably week of the 16th.
[21:31] <SylvieLorxu> Oh cool
[21:31] <ogra_> nhaines, i think the libertine-scope will be pre-installed
[21:31] <ogra_> which willl give you a handfull of apps to install
[21:31] <nhaines> But I'm running the first "release candidate" image of OTA-10.  :)
[21:32] <nhaines> ogra_: Hmm, that'd be new, because it didn't a week ago.  :)
[21:32] <ogra_> (on -pd and the tablet images that is)
[21:32] <ogra_> but i am not sure
[21:32] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: Does it also move Firefox and so to "Legacy apps" so I know which apps need bluetooth keyboard? Because this way super confusing when I first got it :P
[21:32]  * SylvieLorxu read up a bit on Libertine
[21:32] <ogra_> (snappy kind of keeps me busy enough to not follow the phone/tablet development to 100% anymore)
[21:33] <ogra_> SylvieLorxu, i dont know whats fixed yet ... i know there is work going on to actually give you an OSK with these apps though ... but not sure thats OTA11 or 12
[21:33] <nhaines> Oh, I know the feeling.  Always kind of sad.  :)
[21:33] <nhaines> It must be OTA12.
[21:33] <ogra_> well, new duties ... it is how it is :)
[21:34] <SylvieLorxu> ogra_: Okay, thanks ayway
[21:34] <nhaines> Yup.  I've been having soooo much fun with lxd... trying to snappify software with snapcraft.  Haven't succeeded once so far, but at least I'm ruining container dev environments and not my shiny new 16.04 LTS install. ;)
[21:35] <ogra_> there will be new examples soon (the guys around me just work on them) ...
[21:35] <nhaines> In the bzr branch I hope.
[21:35] <ogra_> and new interfaces to give you more abilities
[21:35] <nhaines> I'm really eager to get Snappy 16 onto my RPi2.  :)
[21:35] <nhaines> Although technically if I install Ubuntu MATE...
[21:36] <ogra_> that will still take a while ... we only just re-defined the gadget and kernel snaps ...
[21:36] <ogra_> i'm waiting for zyga to develop the new "ubuntu-image" tool that will be able to handle them
[21:36] <ogra_> expect first experimental images in ~4 weeks
[21:36] <nhaines> Aww, I was expecting them in 1 or 2.
[21:37] <ogra_> well, re-doing stuff from scratch takes its time ... sadly
[21:37] <nhaines> It took long enough for me to grok lxc... It doesn't make sense for me to attempt snaps if everything I'm going to learn changes again so soon.  :)
[21:37] <ogra_> but you can use snps on your desktop meanwhile :)
[21:37] <ogra_> ***snaps
[21:38] <nhaines> Yes, but dpm gave me the RPi2 from the Ubuntu booth at SCALE and I promised him I'd put it to good use.  ;)
[21:38] <ogra_> and there should be tons of them soon
[21:38] <ogra_> sergiusens, released a telegram snap for the desktop yesterday ... try it ;)
[21:38] <nhaines> Still, I'm much happier that you guys got snapd into Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and are being careful to do things *right* on full-snap systems.
[21:38] <nhaines> Donno, not sure I can trust him. ;)
[21:39] <ogra_> *I* do ... so can you ;)
[21:39] <ogra_> trust me
[21:39] <ogra_> :P
[21:39] <nhaines> What I *really* want is the SDK app, not the repackaged desktop app.  Although the desktop app does in a pinch.
[21:39] <nhaines> Plus!  Now I don't have to file that bug about ubuntu.com advertising Telegram as a main feature of Ubuntu on the desktop and it's not available on the desktop.  :P
[21:40] <ogra_> over time everything will become a snap (i hope)
[21:40] <nhaines> I can very vividly imagine running Ubuntu 16.04 for the next 2 years because all the software I *need* to be newer is a snap.
[21:41] <nhaines> I mean, I won't, but I can't imagine it. ;)
[21:41] <nhaines> s/can't/can/
[21:42] <nhaines> But if I were running a small business (as opposed to sole proprietorship) there just wouldn't be any alternative.  It'd be the perfect thing!
[21:42] <nhaines> Which almost makes up for the Ubuntu Business Remix that was only around for 3 months in February 2012.  :P
[21:43] <nhaines> I want the phone/tablet welcome wizard on the desktop installer.  It's beautiful~~.
[21:49] <ogra_> it will be in the unity8 desktop images i supposed
[21:50] <ogra_> suppose
[21:50] <ogra_> .... eventually
[21:50] <bregma> for the record, the OSK in XApps may not show in in OTA-12 either, although it might
[21:51] <bregma> the libertine scope will not be pre-installed in OTA-11 but it will be available from the store just like any click -- but the changes so it will work will be included automatically in OTA-11
[21:51] <ogra_> you mean it wont magically implement itself ?
[21:52] <ogra_> you really need to put more AI into your prototype code in the future, so it adds such features on its own ;)
[21:53] <bregma> ogra_, of course it will just implement itself, we just need to feed it better craft beer
[21:53] <nhaines> bregma: so here's the question!  *when* does it hit the store?  :)
[21:53] <nhaines> (i.e., right now so it's in time for my demo tomorrow?)
[21:55] <bregma> it hits the store when OTA-11 comes out, otherwise it just won't work
[21:55] <ogra_> sergiusens, https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko
[21:56] <nhaines> Aw.  I thought the store filtered that automatically.  :)
[21:56] <bregma> nhaines, it might, but either way....
[22:15] <nhaines> Hmm, it looks like maybe the Google Doc won't work... the Exec= field says "/bin/true"
[22:15] <nhaines> Which I find suspicious.  :)
[22:16] <ogra_> no, thats fine
[22:16] <ogra_> dont touch the file content apart from Icon=
[22:16] <ogra_> the actual info is in the file name
[22:16] <nhaines> hax!
[22:17] <nhaines> Okay, I'll wait patiently for this installer to finish.
[22:17] <nhaines> Does this mean if I install LibreOffice and GIMP and GEdit, they'll just work?
[22:24] <Acou_Bass> bregma: does this mean i wont have to use ubuntu-pd images anymore?
[22:31] <bregma> Acou_Bass, only the -pd images have libertine-tools and XMir installed
[22:31] <bregma> for now...
[22:31] <nhaines> I suppose the next question is: when does that change?  :)
[22:32] <bregma> I can't say for sure, but if I had to guess (and I'm only guessing), maybe OTA-12
[22:32] <nhaines> I can see the OMGUbuntu article now.
[22:32] <Acou_Bass> yeah but i mean, if/when libertine scope hits the store (after OTA 11 stables?) will that OTA have the libertine tools?
[22:32] <nhaines> Acou_Bass: no, because that depends on the system image, and it's different for different devices.
[22:32] <Acou_Bass> ahhh
[22:32] <Acou_Bass> right
[22:33] <nhaines> Acou_Bass: so if you have an MX10 you *already* have the libertine tools.
[22:33] <bregma> yep
[22:33] <Acou_Bass> yah, i dont have an mx10, i have a nexus 4 hehe but i run -pd ;D
[22:33] <nhaines> Then likewise.
[22:34] <bregma> we went with a separate base image for two reasons:  (1) we needed to demo the Pocket Desktop and didn;t want to break shipping phones to do that, and (b) we didn't want to ship X11 on the phones at all
[22:34] <Acou_Bass> well yeah that was my query though - right now im using -pd builds, but would the libertine tools one day make it into non-pd images?
[22:34] <Acou_Bass> ahhh right ok
[22:34] <bregma> now that we proved our point, we want to go back to one single Ubuntu that rules them all and in the dark will bind them
[22:34] <Acou_Bass> yah
[22:35] <Acou_Bass> ;D
[22:35] <bregma> eventuall, extend that to the desktops
[22:35] <nhaines> bregma: so will 95% of everyone with Ubuntu devices just be angry when OTA-11 hits and there's a libertine scope in the store that doesn't do anything because they don't have a tablet?
[22:35] <bregma> all your base images are belong to us
[22:36] <bregma> nhaines, the scope requires a framework that is only on the -pd images, so it just shouldn't show up for other images
[22:36] <Acou_Bass> nhaines: but he said libertine will be in the store, not preinstalled
[22:36] <bregma> that is how I understand it
[22:36] <Acou_Bass> if it were preinstalled i imagine people would be angry, but if not (and if the scope doesnt even show up instore for us) then i guess wed have no reason to be angry :P
[22:37] <nhaines> Acou_Bass: no, just a scope to interact with Libertine software.  Libertine itself won't be in the stores.
[22:37] <Acou_Bass> yeah sorry i meant scope =)
[22:37] <nhaines> bregma: hmm, I'll be peering at the scope's click metafiles then, probably.  :)
[22:38] <bregma> our plan is to have the libertine scope on the image with OTA-12, and remove the build-in icons from the Dash so there is no duplication and they people don;t expect Xapps to run just like native Apps
[22:38] <nhaines> The fact that this container is still sitting around trying to update is just another reminder (that I didn't need) how nice image-based installs and updates are.  :P
[22:38] <bregma> but things may change, they usually do
[22:39] <nhaines> I think removing X apps from the launcher is a miscalculation.
[22:39] <nhaines> I'm also sort of curious what happens to user data when they upgrade and the puritine container is gone.
[22:40] <bregma> nhaines, eventually there will be an aggregating scope and they'll be back
[22:40] <bregma> hopefully they will work better by then
[22:41] <bregma> nhaines, your data is stored in bind-mounted directories under $HOME, they should be OK
[22:41] <bregma> *that* part has been tested
[22:41] <nhaines> bregma: that's good to hear!  :)
[22:41] <bregma> yes, my Steam games.....
[22:41] <nhaines> I wish the N7 -pd image had the puritine container baked in.
[22:42] <bregma> nhaines, there were partition size issues that prevented flashing from working
[22:42] <ogra_> no, you dont ... (fine for demos but really annoying when you want to remove bits)
[22:42] <nhaines> bregma: oh, doubtless.
[22:42] <sebsebseb> the google docs guide
[22:43] <sebsebseb> if doing it for  inkscape or whatever
[22:43] <ogra_> yeah
[22:43] <sebsebseb> woudn't really effect anything else?
[22:43] <nhaines> ogra_: yes, but it's demos I want.  ;)  Or at least a downloadable container.
[22:43] <sebsebseb> if I then factory re set tablet it's wel defaults again?
[22:43]  * bregma has to take off for the weekend
[22:43]  * ogra_ has scribus, inkscape, vlc, smplayer and a ton of stuff i forgot installed
[22:43] <nhaines> bregma: have a grat weekend.  :D
[22:43] <ogra_> bregma, enjoy
[22:43] <sebsebseb> ogra_: yeah I haven't tied yet
[22:43] <nhaines> s/grat/great/
[22:44] <sebsebseb> ogra_: still a bit hmm to it as well, like will it effect my OS install some how kind of  thing
[22:44] <sebsebseb> ogra_: I was thinking I could try a bit on tablet, I want to do a factory re set a bit later on anyway
[22:44] <ogra_> sebsebseb, no, it wont ... all stuff goes into your homedir
[22:44] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[22:44] <sebsebseb> also the guide is a bit confussing
[22:44] <ogra_> you can just blow away the container with libertine-container-manager and start over if you want
[22:44] <sebsebseb> how do you change the name of the program you want to install
[22:44] <sebsebseb> and  edit the icons?
[22:45] <sebsebseb> and I assume I got to do the guide using the terminal app as well
[22:45] <ogra_> well, the .desktop file stuff is still a bit fiddly
[22:45] <ogra_> but that also lives in your homedir
[22:45] <nhaines> Oh good, errors were encountered processing: "x11-common libxtst6:armhf libfakekey0:armhf isc-dhcp-client: matchbox-keyboard matchbox"
[22:45] <nhaines> I'm sure I don't need x11-common.
[22:45] <sebsebseb> yeah exactly how to change the icon when on that step
[22:45] <sebsebseb> it's not so clear from the guide
[22:46] <ogra_> you edit the .desktop file
[22:46] <ogra_> and point to an icon you provide
[22:46] <sebsebseb> and how does it actully apt-get in fact, it never actusally says apt-get  in any of the commands
[22:46] <sebsebseb> how do you edit the desktop file?
[22:46] <ogra_> (you can fish it out of the container or just use one you download from somewhere)
[22:46] <ogra_> editor ;)
[22:46] <nhaines> sebsebseb: apt is container magic!
[22:46] <sebsebseb> an editor that has to work in the termianl though for the guide/
[22:46] <sebsebseb> ?
[22:47] <ogra_> any editor that can access the files ... nano, vi whatever
[22:47] <nhaines> Speaking of which, I wonder if I can chroot into this container and fix things, because it looks like it froze at 97%.
[22:47]  * sebsebseb wasted the evening doing uh  well not much,  nearly mid night now. might try the tabet thing soon hmm
[22:47] <ogra_> check libertine-container-manager --help
[22:47] <ogra_> there is a command to exec commands inside the container
[22:47] <sebsebseb> ogra_: converged gedit could access the file?
[22:48] <ogra_> no
[22:48] <sebsebseb> yeah I was thinking such
[22:48] <sebsebseb> that no not that
[22:48] <sebsebseb> need something in terminal
[22:48] <ogra_> yeah
[22:48] <nhaines> sebsebseb: nano!  :)
[22:48] <ogra_> but nano is installed
[22:48] <ogra_> and vi
[22:48] <sebsebseb> I haven't really usded nano or hwawtever much
[22:48] <sebsebseb> so
[22:48] <sebsebseb> that's it's own experience tryiing to uh
[22:48] <ogra_> so you even have choice ;)
[22:48] <nhaines> There's nothing here about execing commands inside the container.
[22:48] <nhaines> sebsebseb: nano is easy.  :)
[22:49]  * ogra_ doesnt have the tablet handy atm, else i could tell you
[22:49]  * sebsebseb tends to use Gedit or something else thats graphical maybe in normal Desktop LInux
[22:49] <sebsebseb> well mine is in the case in front of me...
[22:49]  * sebsebseb should probably try the guide really and stop being such a scardy cat?
[22:50] <ogra_> nhaines, you are looking for "exec" in the --help
[22:50] <nhaines> sebsebseb: nano is pretty simple.  Just Ctrl-o to save.
[22:50] <sebsebseb> Dr Pepper  what's the worst thing that could happen, when using the guide.  oh and sadly  the shops I was at earlier on today no Dr Pepper I wnted some of that
[22:51] <nhaines> ogra_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/16399813/
[22:51] <sebsebseb> ogra_: still going to need a keyboad and mouse for certian programs I guess once on?
[22:51] <nhaines> sebsebseb: all programs.  :)
[22:52] <sebsebseb> ogra_: I wonder if I could play mealstrom for example :), old Astoridies like game
[22:52] <ogra_> nhaines, oh, that seems to be a different version
[22:52]  * ogra_ just grabbed hiw M10 ...
[22:52] <ogra_> *his
[22:52] <sebsebseb> nhaines: have you done it? the guide?
[22:53] <ogra_> libertine-container-manager exec -i container -c bash
[22:53] <ogra_> that works here and gives me a shell
[22:53] <ogra_> ;)
[22:53] <nhaines> sebsebseb: no, and it's not looking so hopeful at the moment, either.
[22:53] <sebsebseb> ogra_: nhaines sounds like next week won't really need that guide anymore,  but  the fun would be using the guide I guess first :d right?
[22:53] <sebsebseb> nhaines: not looking hopeful why?
[22:53] <nhaines> Hmm, not sure if it worked or not.  Maybe.
[22:54] <nhaines> sebsebseb: because it won't get as far as building a new container.
[22:54] <sebsebseb> nhaines: oh I see your trying to do the guide now
[22:54] <nhaines> Yes, earlier this week I took the standard image and made it rw and installed libertine manually.
[22:55] <sebsebseb> ogra_: guide shouold work on the default verison of touch or the update? I haven't done the ota update that I know there is yet, I could do though
[22:55] <sebsebseb> nhaines: yeah I saw that earlier, that's the old thing, not needed anymre, since the guide
[22:55] <sebsebseb> nhaines: that could be your issue to, that  you made everything rewriteable and now tryiin g that guide and yeah
[22:56] <sebsebseb> the guide is for when everything isn't read write, I think
[22:56] <sebsebseb> ogra_: whats the link again?
[22:57] <sebsebseb> ogra_: I think I am going to try now yep
[22:57] <nhaines> sebsebseb: yes, but libertine won't create a working container, so the guide is useless until then.
[22:57] <sebsebseb> nhaines: but ogra did the guide I Think and had stuff working?
[22:57] <nhaines> sebsebseb: if there's a libertine container, it probably all just works.
[22:58] <sebsebseb> nhaines: yes you got to change purtine on the tablet that was my understanding
[22:58] <sebsebseb> purtine is the demo liberatin continer with FIrefox and what not
[22:58] <nhaines> I don't have puritine, so it doesn't apply.
[22:59] <sebsebseb> nhaines: you do if got the tablet
[22:59] <sebsebseb> or by default you did :d
[22:59] <ogra_> sebsebseb, always do the update !
[22:59] <sebsebseb> ogra_: normally I would I just hadn't with that yet
[22:59] <ogra_> sebsebseb, it isnt my guide :)
[22:59] <nhaines> sebsebseb: no, it's not available on the Nexus 7.
[22:59] <ogra_> i think it was done by mzanetti
[22:59] <sebsebseb> nhaines: yep no purtine then yep
[22:59] <ogra_> i just spread the link
[23:00] <sebsebseb> purtine is for tablet
[23:00] <sebsebseb> ogra_: yeah what's the  llink again I Will try :)
[23:01] <Acou_Bass> quick query... is there any way to fix overscan with utouch plugged into hdmi?
[23:01] <nhaines> Acou_Bass: don't I wish.
[23:02] <Acou_Bass> xD
[23:02] <Acou_Bass> shame
[23:02] <Acou_Bass> :P
[23:07] <nhaines> Ooh, now I need to find out where this telegram snap is saving all of my data.
[23:45] <sebsebseb> ogra_: nhaines Hmm well that's a good start (sarcasm), terminal app is just white
[23:46] <sebsebseb> can't put in commands
[23:46] <sebsebseb> I remember using that on a phone before and having to put in my pass code, can't do anything
[23:46] <sebsebseb> maybe there 7th May update doesn' work so well with the deafult tablet version of the OS hmm


[14:53] <nzoueidi> Hello utn
[14:53] <elacheche> hey!
[15:38] <elacheche> nzoueidi: https://github.com/awesomeWM/awesome/issues/1395
[15:40] <nzoueidi> Awesomeness overloaded \o/ :D
[15:42] <elacheche> Someone is using it on a tablet! x
[15:42] <elacheche> x)
[15:44] <nzoueidi> I saw that! xD hahahaha
[15:45] <nzoueidi> That's very geeky x)


[00:43] <smoser> roaksoax, are you around ?
[00:48] <smoser> roaksoax, there are two MP there. i'm really ok with you chosing either one.
[03:29] <roaksoax> smoser: sorry wasn
[03:29] <roaksoax> feeling so good
[03:29] <roaksoax> smoser: i'll take a look tomorrow
[07:29] <androoo> hey, is anyone here willing to help out a noobie?
[08:31] <racedo> ping rvba
[08:32] <rvba> racedo: Hi (otp right now).
[08:32] <racedo> rvba: oh sorry
[08:32] <racedo> rvba: quick one when you can
[08:33] <racedo> rvba: when splitting maas region controller and maas cluster controller into different servers, the juju client will never talk directly to the maas cluster controller, right?
[08:43] <rvba> racedo: correct
[08:43] <racedo> rvba: many thanks :)
[08:43] <rvba> Welcome :)
[08:44] <racedo> rvba: and we can have just one juju bootstrap node for all the maas cluster controllers?
[08:45] <racedo> rvba: or should we commission one per cluster controller?
[08:45] <rvba> racedo: yes, as long as all the nodes managed by all the cluster controllers can talk to each other.
[08:45] <racedo> rvba: ok, so multiple juju bootstrap nodes is kind of pointless then
[08:45] <rvba> Yes.
[08:45] <racedo> cool, thanks again rvba
[12:10] <AskUbuntu> Migration from generic OpenStack to Ubuntu Openstack | http://askubuntu.com/q/353127
[13:15] <roaksoax> rvba howdy
[13:15] <rvba> Hi roaksoax
[13:15] <roaksoax> rvba: hold on those ladt two mps
[13:15] <roaksoax> last*
[13:15] <rvba> roaksoax: don't worry, I don't intend to land them now.
[13:15] <roaksoax> rvba: ok ;) ill review them in a bit
[13:16] <rvba> roaksoax: they are mostly to get us started on testing the new script.
[13:16] <roaksoax> rvba: ok but im releasing maas again today
[13:17] <rvba> Okay.
[13:48] <roaksoax> rvba: ok, commented on them
[13:48] <roaksoax> rvba: other than that if they can be merged today
[13:48] <roaksoax> rvba: it would be great
[13:50] <rvba> roaksoax: Thanks for the review.  We will need more testing before we land it; in particular, we want to make sure the old config gets migrated ok.
[13:50] <roaksoax> rvba: ok
[13:51] <roaksoax> rvba: though it would have been simple to keep the old config style as it is with import_pxe_files
[13:51] <roaksoax> y
[13:51] <rvba> roaksoax: we will rewrite maas-import-pxe-files in Python too.  We thought it was a better idea to unify the configs.
[13:52] <roaksoax> rvba: ok
[14:37] <freeflying> rvba, if import-pxe-files support specify mirror, might be more convenient
[14:40] <rvba> freeflying: true, we're still working on maas-import-ephemerals and import-pxe-files is our next target but you're right, we need to be able to configure where simplestreams will fetch its information.
[16:26] <stokachu> is the web interface the only way to manually enlist nodes?
[17:00] <kurt_> roaksoax: ping
[17:38] <roaksoax> kurt_: pong
[17:39] <roaksoax> stokachu: if you have a live image on the node, you could install maas-enlist
[17:41] <stokachu> roaksoax: ok ill try that
[17:43] <kurt_> roaksoax: something I was thinking through with MAAS/juju - there is no way to guarantee a particular node with particular resources is used for a enlistment/commission/juju deployment - is that right?
[17:44] <kurt_> if you don't have control over WOL, you are in bad shapee
[17:44] <kurt_> shape
[17:45] <kurt_> actually that doesn't even matter from juju's perspective it seems
[17:46] <roaksoax> kurt_: ideally you need control over ipmi, but enlistment/commuissioning are steps that have to be done in order for the machines to be available to juju
[17:47] <roaksoax> kurt_: now, you would need to add tags to the noeds to identify them based on constraints
[17:47] <roaksoax> and that way, when you juju deploy something you can gfarantee that a particular node with mparticular hw detauls is assigned to juju by specifying the constraints
[17:47] <kurt_> tags?
[17:48] <kurt_> first I'v heard of this
[17:48] <roaksoax> kurt_: http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/tags.html
[17:49] <kurt_> thanks I'll have a look - that integrates with juju?
[17:50] <kurt_> ahhh…I seee
[17:50]  * kurt_ lightbulb lights up
[17:53] <smoser> stokachu, you can enlist nodes with the cli too
[17:56] <stokachu> smoser: i was able to get it to work with maas-enlist, is there another preferred way?
[17:56] <roaksoax> stokachu: maas-nelist when manually
[17:56] <roaksoax> stokachu: it is much easier, and that's what it is actually used when running the enlistment process
[17:56] <stokachu> cool that worked like a champ
[17:57] <smoser> stokachu, are you using real nodes ?
[17:57] <stokachu> smoser: virtualbox atm
[17:57] <smoser> virtualbox.
[17:57] <smoser> for real?
[17:57] <smoser> are you running this on windows!
[17:58] <stokachu> haha
[17:58] <kurt_> smoser: I have been very successful with VMWare workstation too
[17:58] <stokachu> im trying to automate a maas+10 node setup
[17:58] <kurt_> and Fusion on Mac OSX
[17:58] <kurt_> I'm in the middle of blogging the experience
[17:58] <smoser> stokachu, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/charms/precise/virtual-maas/trunk/files
[17:58] <smoser> see README-nojuju.txt
[17:58] <smoser> that is basically what you're after
[17:59] <smoser> and you dont have to use virtualbox
[17:59] <stokachu> ok ill try that way next
[17:59] <kurt_> what does virtual-maas do differently?
[17:59] <stokachu> uses kvm
[18:00] <kurt_> in what way?  I've got a hypervisor
[18:01] <stokachu> you manage all your nodes and maas server with libvirt
[18:01] <kurt_> regulär maas has that built in too, does it not?
[18:01] <smoser> maas has support for "power" control via virsh
[18:01] <smoser> virtual-maas just uses that.
[18:02] <smoser> and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/charms/precise/virtual-maas/trunk/files
[18:02] <smoser> has tools to create nodes and insert them into maas.
[18:02] <smoser> and remove them.
[18:02] <kurt_> ok because virsh is a part of libvirt
[18:02] <stokachu> kurt_: this helps you automagically deploy maas+nodes
[18:02] <smoser> virsh is a part of libvirt, yes. it wouldn't be hard to extend maas's power control to cover virtualbox.
[18:03] <kurt_> ok, I just figured out how to do this all manually on my own, so I'm curious about the benefit
[18:03] <smoser> and if you have some reason that you want virtualbox (like you want to use this on a mac) then that might make sense to re-invent things.
[18:03] <smoser> but what is there in 'virtual-maas' is very close to "just works".
[18:03] <smoser> as a "all in one maas" with virtual nodes.
[18:04] <kurt_> for some reason I remember reading virtual-maas not going to be updated too
[18:04] <stokachu> kurt_: i posted a blog article on setting up maas within lxc
[18:04] <kurt_> stokachu: I'm working on blogging my results too
[18:04] <stokachu> kurt_: http://astokes.org/running-maas-vagrant/
[18:04] <kurt_> I'll have a look
[18:05] <smoser> kurt_, sothere are some parts of virtual-maas that are hacky.
[18:05] <smoser> its basically all in one.
[18:05] <smoser> it doesn't survive reboot
[18:05] <smoser> those htings can be fixed for sure
[18:05] <kurt_> I just found out about the tagging thing, which will make life exponentially better
[18:06] <kurt_> I've managed to get MAAS/Juju and Openstack fully up and running
[18:06] <kurt_> on VMWare Fusion and Workstation that is
[18:07] <kurt_> anyways - you have now piqued my curiosity
[18:07] <kurt_> to see how much work I did for NOTHING :D
[18:07] <kurt_> lol
[18:08] <kurt_> smoser: so is virtual-maas officially supported on precise?
[18:09] <smoser> "officially", no
[18:09] <smoser> it will probably work.
[18:09] <smoser> its really a development thing.
[18:09] <kurt_> right
[18:10] <smoser> but there is a lot of generally usable things there.
[18:10] <smoser> ie, scripts to add a node to libvirt with 2 disks and X memory and then shove that node into maas
[18:10] <smoser> and then (generically) power that machien on and install it with release X
[18:11] <smoser> the only hacky things really are in getting maas up and going and listening on the maasbr0 network and the networking involved.
[18:11] <kurt_> ok.
[18:11] <stokachu> so has anyone run maas in virtualbox on windows? :)
[18:11] <kurt_> workstation :)
[18:11] <smoser> kurt_, really. give it a try. if you have a system with 8G memory, its fairly easy.
[18:11] <stokachu> kurt_: did you use vagrant or just manually through vmware?
[18:11] <smoser> slow, but easy.
[18:12] <smoser> and you can play. it is a very easy way to get a juju going
[18:12] <kurt_> manually
[18:12] <kurt_> as I said, it works quite well
[18:12] <stokachu> kurt_: ok, ive got a pretty automated thing ive setup if you dont mind testing on windows
[18:12] <stokachu> im not done yet but hopefully tomorrow
[18:12] <stokachu> it would use virtualbox though
[18:13] <kurt_> stokachu: thing = a package, scripts?
[18:14] <stokachu> kurt_: yea using vagrant+virtualbox
[18:14] <stokachu> but automated
[18:14] <stokachu> just curious if it is portable across mac/windows
[18:15] <kurt_> if it means I have to take down my workstation install, I'm afraid its going to have to wait - I'm knee deep in blogging
[18:16] <stokachu> it wont touch your vmware stuff
[18:16] <stokachu> in any case just let me know when/if youre interested
[18:16] <kurt_> ok.  I'm playing with ceph next too
[18:17] <stokachu> kurt_: nice, dont forget to write your findings i'd be interested in looking at that too
[18:23] <kurt_> will do ;)
[19:14] <stokachu> is there a way to alter the preseed file or do i need to edit it manually
[19:15] <stokachu> http://maas.ubuntu.com/docs/development/preseeds.html i see this page
[19:18] <stokachu> im trying to force the enlist server to be on a specific network device
[19:18] <stokachu> seems to default to the first device no matter what
[19:20] <stokachu> whats the best way to override http://paste.ubuntu.com/6189451/
[19:20] <stokachu> thats from maas_local_settings.py
[19:30] <kurt_> stokachu: can't you go in to the interface and specify which device its doing dhcp on?
[19:30] <kurt_> interface = web gui
[19:30] <stokachu> lemme check
[19:31] <stokachu> eth1<IP_ADDRESS>/24Manage DHCP and DNS
[19:31] <kurt_> right
[19:31] <stokachu> so its using eth1
[19:31] <kurt_> correct
[19:31] <stokachu> but the default maas url is set to <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:31] <stokachu> which is eth0
[19:31] <kurt_> you need to dpkg-reconfigure
[19:31] <kurt_> set it to the IP of the maas url you want
[19:32] <stokachu> in my dhcpd.conf?
[19:32] <kurt_> no
[19:32] <kurt_> hang on
[19:33] <stokachu> dpkg-reconfigure maas-region-controller lets me change the maas url
[19:33] <kurt_> right
[19:33] <kurt_> that's what I meant
[19:33] <stokachu> ah ok, how do i do this programmatically though
[19:33] <kurt_> you mean from the maas-cli?
[19:34] <stokachu> sure or any other avenue
[19:34]  * kurt_ crickets
[19:34] <stokachu> lol
[19:35] <stokachu> hmm if only i could pass an ip to dpkg-reconfigure
[19:35] <stokachu> during setup
[19:35] <kurt_> there has to be a way
[19:35] <kurt_> did you fully research the maas-cli options?
[19:35] <stokachu> ill look through it again and see if im missing something
[19:35] <kurt_> hmm…well that wouldn't work too well
[19:36] <kurt_> because the authentication is tied in to the url for the maas-cli
[19:37] <stokachu> i found this http://paste.ubuntu.com/6189525/
[19:37] <kurt_> that's a roaksoax or bigjools question
[19:38] <stokachu> not sure if enlistment_domain would work or not
[19:38] <kurt_> why do you need to change the maas url once or twice?
[19:39] <stokachu> so when i install maas onto a server with eth0 and eth1 i need mass to only listen and respond on eth1
[19:39] <stokachu> for whatever reason eth0's ip is being picked for the maas default url
[19:39] <kurt_> you could hack IP forwarding to make it not matter :)
[19:40] <stokachu> true
[19:40] <kurt_> which is what I've done as I recall
[19:40] <stokachu> ive edited the maas_local_settings.py for now which seems to provide a proper preeseed
[19:40] <kurt_> but I've always just gone back in and reconfigured as you put in above
[19:41] <stokachu> ok
[19:41] <kurt_> I need IP forwarding on my virtual network anyways
[19:41] <kurt_> that's the only way my maas nodes are  going to get access to the internet
[19:41] <kurt_> so its always just worked for me
[19:47] <kurt_> stokachu: btw this is the best guide on easy IP forwarding in case you didn't have an easy source
[19:47] <kurt_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/95199/two-network-cards-and-ip-forwarding
[19:48] <stokachu> thanks
[20:26] <stokachu> i think cloud-tools archive died
[20:41] <stokachu> The following packages have unmet dependencies: maas : Depends: maas-region-controller but it is not going to be installed
[20:42] <stokachu> smoser: ^ was there a recent push to archive
[20:47] <stokachu> guess that should be roaksoax ^
[21:04] <dpb1> should this work?  curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>/2009-04-04/meta-data/  (from a maas node) ?
[21:08] <stokachu> bah ithink the archive is broken :(
[21:16] <dpb1> Anyone seen this error with juju/maas from the UCA:     agent-state-info: '(error: could not access file ''tools/juju-1.14.1-precise-i386.tgz'':
[21:16] <dpb1>       gomaasapi: got error back from server: 401 UNAUTHORIZED (Nonce already used:
[21:16] <dpb1>       33410643))'
[21:16] <dpb1> machines 1-18 went fine, on deploying this one, I got this error.
[23:21] <stokachu> is anyone else using the cloud-tools archive?
[23:21] <stokachu> it seems to be busted
[23:48] <stokachu> roaksoax: ^
[23:51] <roaksoax> stokachu: why is that?
[23:51] <roaksoax> stokachu: what are you experiencing?
[23:52] <roaksoax> 5
[23:52] <roaksoax> 4
[23:52] <roaksoax> 3
[23:52] <roaksoax> 2
[23:52] <roaksoax> 1
[23:52]  * roaksoax dead
[23:52] <roaksoax> :)
[23:53] <stokachu> roaksoax: sec
[23:54] <stokachu> roaksoax: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6190310/
[23:55] <roaksoax> stokachu: are you using saucy?
[23:55] <stokachu> this is on precise using the cloud-tools repo
[23:55] <roaksoax> this seems because tierh package has a higher version and it is trying to install a lower version
[23:55] <roaksoax> stokachu: weird, I'll test later
[23:55] <roaksoax> gotta go
[23:55] <stokachu> ok
[23:56] <stokachu> deb http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-updates/cloud-tools main
[23:56] <stokachu> deb-src http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu precise-updates/cloud-tools main
[23:56] <stokachu> thats my sources.list


[07:38] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[10:12] <elacheche> https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/q92/s720x720/12003009_857081601066113_7858571987617523149_n.jpg?oh=fe5d4324fa947a75c0497a2ce559a303&oe=56A72560
[16:14] <melodie> hello
[16:15] <melodie> does anyone have the answer to my question as of yesterday?
[16:15] <melodie> about "is there a French version of the Ubuntu Africa website?
[16:16] <melodie> because I can't find it, though I would love to link it in the default mozilla firefox in Malinux
[16:16] <melodie> (which is almost ready)
[16:16] <melodie> Kilos ? do you know anything about that? :)
[16:17] <Kilos> hi melodie we built the ubuntu-africa site
[16:18] <melodie> hi Kilos
[16:18] <melodie> yes, and is there a version in French for it, online?
[16:18] <melodie> the Malinux distro is almost ready and will be installed to 30 and + computers this sunday, and later brought to Mali
[16:18] <Kilos> only with english but maybe next year after bebcon in  south africa we can do an extra language to it
[16:19] <Kilos> the fly doesnt have any time till after that
[16:19] <melodie> so I thought I would link to Ubuntu Africa rather than Xubuntu, in the general menus and add a link to whatever is ok for the users there, in Firefox
[16:20] <melodie> what does "bebcon" stand for?
[16:20] <Kilos> well you can link it anyway becasuse a few of the guys here speak french anyway
[16:20] <Kilos> debian conference or something clever
[16:20] <Kilos> debcon sorry
[16:21] <melodie> yes
[16:21] <melodie> you might want to add that information on the home page? (About French?)
[16:22] <Kilos> we cant do anything to it till the fly has time
[16:22] <Kilos> he is snowed under
[16:22] <melodie> ok
[16:22] <melodie> ok
[16:22] <Kilos> do you know
[16:22] <Kilos> um
[16:22] <melodie> I finish the 3rd test version and will install it to a real machine, then I see
[16:22] <Kilos> um
[16:22] <melodie> (tomorrow I'll decide what to do best)
[16:23]  * Kilos thinking
[16:23] <Kilos> oh my
[16:23] <Kilos> i cant tremember
[16:23] <melodie> I will have to check details and eventually import them to the build directory then it will be the last build and then I'll upload it
[16:24] <Kilos> inetpro  help man
[16:24] <Kilos> ive forgotten what the site was built with
[16:24] <Kilos> oh my
[16:25] <melodie> ok ok :)
[16:25] <melodie> I have to go
[16:26] <melodie> see you
[16:26] <Kilos> melodie  let the guys just get sorted at home then they can remind me
[16:26] <Kilos> ok be good
[16:26] <melodie> thanks!
[16:26] <Kilos> look after yourself
[16:27] <Kilos> ai!
[16:30] <Kilos> QA  tell melodie the site was built using bzr
[16:30] <QA> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell melodie on freenode