[00:55] <lucas-arg> is it ok to use 16.04 or its better to use 17.04?
[01:04] <diego__> hola
[01:04] <lucas-arg> que haces diego
[01:05] <diego__> probando el cht
[01:05] <mparillo> lucas-arg: If you do not mind re-installing more frequently, I would go with 17.04
[01:05] <diego__> chat de kubuntu
[01:05] <diego__>  no sabia que existia
[01:05] <YankDownUnder> lucas-arg, 16.04 has the most mature packages. If you want "cutting edge" and don't mind things breaking, 17.04 is your goal...
[01:05] <lucas-arg> so if i need a really stable rock solid system for daily use
[01:05] <lucas-arg> 16.04
[01:06] <YankDownUnder> 16.04 will be a nice, solid DAILY OS...happy as a clam.
[01:07] <lucas-arg> ok i got it
[01:07] <diego__> en que version estan
[01:07] <diego__> en la 14.04 o 16.04?
[01:07] <lucas-arg> only thing is that it takes alitle of time to shut down
[01:07] <lucas-arg> yo estoy en la 16.04.2 LTS
[01:07] <diego__> a mi me gustaba mas el kde viejo, como que la onda de los iconos planos en plasma tanto no me gusta
[01:08] <diego__> es que la onda flat esta de moda
[01:08] <diego__> te mande un privado lucas-arg
[01:11] <diego__> yo me cambie por el kernel actualizado
[01:11] <diego__> pero me gusta mas la estetica de kde 4
[01:11] <lucas-arg> si me das a elegir, preferia kde 3
[01:11] <diego__> igual se puede poner en modo "viejo" el plasma
[01:11] <lucas-arg> jaja
[01:11] <diego__> kde3 lo usa
[01:11] <diego__> q4os
[01:11] <diego__> esta bueno si tenes un equipo viejo
[01:11] <diego__> ese entorno
[01:12] <diego__> igual ese sistema es para equipo viejos, pero anda muy bien
[01:14] <diego__> Alguien mas de argentina o que hable en Castellano? :P
[01:16] <deitarion> I'm on Kubuntu 14.04 and, ever since my last rebot, my GTK+ 2.0 applications are ignoring the font set in the GTK+ panel in System Settings (which I've confirmed to be what's in the ~/.gtkrc* files. How do I troubleshoot this?
[01:16] <deitarion> s/files\./files.)/
[01:16] <deitarion> s/rebot/reboot/
[01:16] <lucas-arg> deitarion, qt4-gtk thing must be installed
[01:17] <deitarion> lucas-arg: Why? The ~/.gtkrc* files are set correctly and that's enough under purely GTK+ desktops.
[01:17] <lucas-arg> deitarion, qt desktop will ignore that
[01:17] <diego__> :P
[01:19] <deitarion> lucas-arg: Ok, Would the "qt4-gtk thing" (I get no promising looking results from `apt-cache search qt | grep gtk`) be a dependency of the System Settings panel for manipulating GTK+ theming? ...because I have that installed and it's also being ignored.
[01:20] <lucas-arg> wait
[01:21] <deitarion> (Everything's set to use Ubuntu 11 but my GTK+ 2.x apps are using something that looks like it's about 9pt. and whatever the opposite of narrow/condensed is.)
[01:24] <deitarion> Also, while I' m here, does anyone know how to set the clock plasmoid to use "YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM" format? I've been forcing what I got used to on LXDE by having my right-hand monitor's panel stop a little short, then running xfpanel in the gap.
[01:25] <deitarion> (I think the problem was that the plasmoid tried to insist on a two-line layout.)
[01:33] <deitarion> Hmm. The GTK+ themes panel does appear to by dynamically updating the GTK+ fonts in some apps... but it seems that Ubuntu is broken somehow.
[01:34] <deitarion> (Changing the font to Oxygen-Sans, or changing the Oxygen-Sans size works, but the size is ignored when I select Ubuntu, leaving me with too-tiny fonts.)
[01:43] <deitarion> Bah. I'll just put everything on DejaVu Sans and get used to everything looking not quite right (again) until I can find time to upgrade to the next LTS by reinstalling the whole OS (again).
[01:52] <deitarion> Had to install a Thunderbird extension to manually replicate my new GTK+ font settings in it, but things seem decent-looking now.
[01:53] <deitarion> Not perfect, but, yet again, it's one of those "this is ugly but I lack the jargon knowledge to explain why" things that I encounter every time font rendering breaks.
[01:54] <deitarion> (This sort of nonsense is one of several reasons I go months and months between reboots. "It works. Don't **** with it!"
[01:55] <deitarion> )
[02:21] <deitarion> One other question. Is there a way to force `gtk-alternative-button-order = 0` other than either unchecking "Apply colors to non-KDE4 applications", manually overriding the gtkrc search path KDE tries to set, or manually editing the file KDE sticks on the end of the search path, setting `chattr +i`, and hoping KDE doesn't blow up?
[02:22] <deitarion> (ie. Is KDE's GTK+ integration really so un-KDE that it lumps "unify colors" and "meddle with my dialog button order" under the same toggle?)
[02:32] <deitarion> OK, this is clearly something broken in my font rendering system (because Vim's fonts are screwed up and it doesn't listen to GTK+'s font settings) and it's getting irritating to keep tripping over something I haven't fixed yet.
[02:33] <deitarion> I wonder if it has anything to do with my leftmost monitor (the one that's 17" 1280x1024 rather than 19" 1280x1024 like the other two) starting out at 1024x768 rather than the usual 1280x1024.
[02:35] <deitarion> Given that Vim doesn't have Ubuntu in its fallback chain, I can infer that this is a problem in the font system rather than the font, and that whatever's wrong is causing fonts to be rendered too small and too bold.
[02:36] <deitarion> ...which is groan-worthy because this sounds vaguely familiar. I think it's a heisenbug that has something to do with KDE's monitor handling randomly kicking in and overriding the settings in my /etx/X11/xorg.conf with disastrous results.
[02:38] <deitarion> Ugh.  That's never failed me aside from Dredmor's broken assumption that all desirable windowed resolutions will show up in the list of available fullscreen resolutions.
[03:34] <deitarion> ...and I just realized that Plasma somehow decided, of its own volition, to make the panels 100% opaque despite compositing being on. (I normally use that as a cue Re: the state of my compositing toggle.)
[03:49] <deitarion> Hmm. I suspect part of the problem might be KDE's resolution "helper" mis-handling the fact that, since my last reboot, I had to replace one of my 19" 1280x1024 monitors with a 17" 1280x1024 monitor, resulting in a mixed-DPI environment.
[03:49] <deitarion> A supporting detail is that KDE applications look correct when I specify "Ubuntu 11" with "Force fonts DPI: 72" enabled.
[04:00] <deitarion> Hah! Found a fix. --> echo Xft.dpi: 96 | xrdb -merge
[04:03] <deitarion> I guess that's another line in my ~/.Xresources next to "TkTheme: clearlooks" (borrowed from PySolFC).
[07:13] <diego_> holaaa
[09:46] <silver_hook> I’m trying to connect to my Skype account via the default (Telepathy) client, but it complains about the haze Telepathy Connection Manager missing for skypeweb.
[09:46] <silver_hook> I checked and I do have telepathy-haze installed …what am I doing wrong?
 Hello, need an advice. What is most powerfull apps for video editing? … Cut, combine, split/merge, reduce file size, convert, effect, etc
[13:39] <rogueomega> So can someone help me understand Something
[13:40] <rogueomega> Why is it that live USB can eventually see I'm using proprietary drivers
[13:41] <rogueomega> On my MBA 2014
[13:41] <rogueomega> But after installation
[13:41] <rogueomega> It can't
[13:43] <rogueomega> Also why can't I just find a deb of my wireless driver and put it on a USN
[13:43] <rogueomega> Usb
[13:43] <rogueomega> From another computer that has internet
[13:44] <rogueomega> ????
[13:44] <flo_> @rogueomega: it's a bug see this for a solution https://askubuntu.com/questions/761429/kubuntu-16-04-driver-manager-broken
[13:46] <rogueomega> Thanks I'll try that
[13:47] <rogueomega> But any reason why there isn't a deb for drivers
[13:48] <rogueomega> This always boggled my mind
[13:53] <rogueomega> No one knows why ?
[13:55] <rogueomega> Look up my Wi-Fi device then go online and download that specific deb file ...too hard for debs?
[13:55] <rogueomega> Devs
 Seems no one answer me, my question. Guys, i am sorry for all my mistake.  Thanks for everything.
 Hi there  … I'm new in kubuntu and after I finish the installation I can login with my password  … Is there a way to resetting the password or I need to format again
 open user-manager, click on your username, then your username, then click in that password box. It will ask you for a new password and to verify it
 Thanks  … I will try
 oh, can't log in?
 Yeah
 if you have a password you can't recall, then you may need to re-install
 Ok thanks for your help
[16:52] <shahab> hello
[16:53] <shahab> how to upgrage kde 5.8.5 to 5.9 ?
 upgrade to kubuntu 17.04
[17:39] <MrSassyPants> apturl-> ImportError: No module named 'PyQt4.QtWebKit'
[17:39] <MrSassyPants> what do?
[17:45] <Guest5657> how do I delete repoes on kubuntu? I can't find the one I'm trying to get rid of in sources.list it's google chrome i386
[17:45] <Guest5657> everytime I try to update it says google chrome i386 isn't supported for your system
[18:04] <oerheks> Guest5657, just disable the chrome entry in sources, as it never installed a i386 version, or use ppa-purge
[18:04] <oerheks> !ppapurge
[18:05] <mparillo> But that will actually remove Chrome, right?
[18:05] <Guest5657> mparillo; I can't install chrome I'm on a 32 bit system
[18:05] <Guest5657> and it's the wrong repo
[18:06] <mparillo> Ahh, sorry. I thought you had an old version still running and wanted to remove the nag.
[18:07] <mparillo> If you have trouble with ppa-purge, Muon Update Manager has a settings option in the lower left. Then you will see a sources option in the upper right. It will ask you for your sudo password, and you go to the other tab, and uncheck the google chrome repo.
[19:55] <tiyteeze> Hey guys, I am new with the KDE environment. Does anyone have a tutorial to use KMAIL (i want tu use my gmail account, and i was use to thunderbird).
[19:57] <diogenes_> tiyteeze, try man kmail
[19:58] <tiyteeze> diogenes_:  it is undocumented
[19:59] <diogenes_> then try google kmail :)
[20:02] <tiyteeze> diogenes_: yeah, it was my next step :p
[20:06] <mparillo> tiyteeze: This https://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_GMail was last updated in 2013, but might help.
[20:31] <denisdenis33> Hi :)
[20:32] <denisdenis33> Is there any way I can get latest KDE Plasma on kubuntu 14.04 without upgrading the OS?
[20:33] <denisdenis33> Can that be done?
[20:50] <mparillo> denisdenis33: I think the upgrade from Plasma 4 to 5 is not for the faint-of-heart


[12:11] <StudioUser8> Hi there I just installed Ubuntu Studio over Ubuntu Cinnamon 22.04 LTS on a laptop with external monitor - at the Grub menu when I choose lowlatency kernel, system can't see my external monitor - with normal kernel option, it works
[14:36] <cjdg> are you using propierary drivers? which kind of connection are you using? vga,hdmi, displayport?
[20:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Test
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> Test
[20:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Bridge appears to be one-way.
[20:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Good enough to re-open.
[22:41] <cjdg> Hi
[22:42] <cjdg> Finally i has the chance to ibstall znc, so im watching the channel
[22:42] <cjdg> Finally


[10:29] <slickymasterWork> knome, pleia2, http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/xubuntu-reviews/xubuntu-14-04-lts/ <- not sure if you already knew about this review
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> sorry, wrong channel


[14:04] <Merlijn_S> Has the session started yet? The video isn't visible..
[14:06] <mbruzek> Merlijn_S: I don't see it either
[14:06] <open_komputes> somebody please call jcastro
[14:08] <mbruzek> Jorge is working on it I am told
[14:08] <mbruzek> Please stand by
[14:09] <open_komputes> - \o\
[14:10] <open_komputes> - /o/
[14:10] <open_komputes> everybody say yea-o
[14:13] <mbruzek> Video has changed for me.  Do you see Starting soon.... ?
[14:13] <Merlijn_S> Jep, thx!
[14:14] <open_komputes> woohoo -  \o/
[14:14] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcWFozuIDm8dkpreL6Q0nZIpRns7eYZqOWJw5yHP1DNBIFZpg?hl=en&authuser=0
[14:14] <jcastro> if you wanna hang out
[14:15] <komputes> echo (echo)
[14:15] <open_komputes> nm, two tabs
[14:17] <open_komputes> ouch
[14:17] <mbruzek> sorry about the technical difficulties
[14:17] <mbruzek> Please join the hangout if you want
[14:18] <RaphSoeiro> Google logo blocking the top left, can you bring your terminal down a bit?
[14:18] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started
[14:21] <tulkastaldo> hello, or something
[14:22] <mbruzek> Hello and welcome
[14:22] <mbruzek> Please preface the question with QUESTION:
[14:22] <mbruzek> If you have any questions
[14:23] <open_komputes> QUESTION: what did you need to configure before 'juju bootstrap' on your machine
[14:23] <open_komputes> (specifically to config AWS)
[14:23] <mbruzek> open_komputes: you need to install juju and configure it with your AWS credentials
[14:23] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started
[14:23] <mbruzek> aws link: https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/config-aws
[14:24] <mbruzek> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:juju/stable
[14:27] <mbruzek> http://developer.juju.solutions/
[14:27] <mbruzek> Please sign up here if you are developing charms.
[14:27] <mbruzek> This is our program
[14:29] <mbruzek> That Jorge spoke about just minutes ago
[14:30] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/
[14:30] <mbruzek> https://jujucharms.com/store
[14:31] <mbruzek> Juju charm store link to wordpress : https://jujucharms.com/q/wordpress
[14:33] <mbruzek> Please let me know if you have any questions
[14:33] <mbruzek> if we are going too fast
[14:34] <mbruzek> or if we move through something and you have questions
[14:42] <mbruzek> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[14:42] <mbruzek> blog is live
[14:49] <open_komputes> QUESTION: how do you automate scaling up wordpress or maria-db  when met with peak traffic
[14:50] <mbruzek> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[14:50] <mbruzek> Blog through HA proxy
[15:04] <cory_fu> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/authors-charm-building
[15:11] <cory_fu> http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[15:11] <cory_fu> https://github.com/johnsca/juju-relation-mysql
[15:13] <cory_fu> https://github.com/johnsca/apache-php
[15:17] <cory_fu> https://pythonhosted.org/charms.reactive/
[15:35] <mbruzek> cory_fu: reminder you need to have JUJU_REPOSITORY set to build the charm in the right directory
[15:36] <mbruzek> Not having JUJU_REPOSITORY environment variable set has tripped me up a few times
[15:40] <mbruzek> http://interfaces.juju.solutions/
[15:40] <lazypower> !QUESTION  the build process is an add only process right? if i rebuild and i've removed a file, an interface, etc., does it reflect this in the built charm?
[15:40] <mbruzek> This page shows the intefaces and layers
[15:40] <mbruzek> http://interfaces.juju.solutions/layer/apache-php/
[15:41] <mbruzek> This is the Apache php layer
[15:41] <mbruzek> You can see it is on version 1
[15:52] <Icey> lazypower can you not just rm -r $TARGET_CHARM and then rebuild?
[16:12] <kjackal> Looks great, could we talk about "benchmarking coverage"?
[16:13] <kjackal> How many charms do we have with benchmarks?
[16:13] <jcastro> good question, I'll bring it up
[16:15] <mbruzek> http://blog.cloud-benchmarks.org/
[16:31] <kjackal> It would be great to have great visualizations on the benchmarks results. Eg graphs stack  diagrams
[16:31] <aisrael> kjackal: That's a great idea. We'll have something to that effect coming soon!
[18:39] <mbruzek> ARe there any questions?
[19:01] <cory_fu> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10ZfjFECmN1MKLOxtcp_9abHbJQNbZwyfAfQWCJeRfxc/edit#slide=id.gbc959c588_1_144
[19:01] <cory_fu> Sorry, first slide link: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10ZfjFECmN1MKLOxtcp_9abHbJQNbZwyfAfQWCJeRfxc/edit#slide=id.p
[19:15] <Merlijn_S> would this vendor thing make it possible to choose if you want to deploy vanilla hadoop or cdh5 ?
[19:15] <cory_fu> That's the idea, yes
[19:15] <cory_fu> To make it easy for a vendor to tweak the charm to their specific dir, port, user, etc configuration
[19:16] <Merlijn_S> Great! I'll look into that, I currently have a fork of the hadoop charms to deploy cdh5
[19:32] <lazypower> !QUESTION As a fellow charmer, and the iPy Notebook bundle... if i stuff all this log data in logstash can i get at it with iPyNotebook + hadoop?
[19:32] <udsbotu> lazypower: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[19:36] <lazypower> Ah, ok. so we need to push the data over HDFS to the big data units
[19:36] <lazypower> ok, that doesn't seem unreasonable
[19:37] <lazypower> also, sorry if called out - just curious what i can do with it today
[19:42] <admcleod-> lazypower: apparently elasticsearch has native hadoop and spark support
[19:45] <lazypower> admcleod- i was reading about that
[19:45] <lazypower> and for those that would rather, it appears you can even hook up kafka with an ES river to directly event ingest from ES
[19:45] <lazypower> *ingest events


[00:40] <Darkwing> Akademy is next week right?
[00:45] <yofel> Darkwing: already going, with the main part starting tomorrow
[00:45] <yofel> http://akademy2013.kde.org/program
[00:45] <Darkwing> Oh nice.
[00:46] <Darkwing> What day is the Kubuntu stuff?
[00:46] <yofel> monday
[00:46] <Darkwing> There going to be some remote participation?
[00:47] <Darkwing> via mumble or a hangout or something?
[00:48] <yofel> well, we plan on a mumble hangout, shadeslayer was asking around for recording equipment
[00:49] <yofel> can't say much more until I'm actually there tomorrow
[00:49] <Darkwing> Yeah
[00:59]  * yofel off to bed - good night
[01:21] <ScottK> Up and running on 4.10.5.  So far so good.
[04:24] <ScottK> Would someone please look at KDE bug 322264 and see if you think it's something new for 4.10.5.
[06:17] <soee> good morning
[06:18] <shrini> soee: good morning
[06:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:39] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1200523] Some of the kubuntu patches break plasma @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1200523 (by karaluh)
[09:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1200523] Some of the kubuntu patches break plasma @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1200523 (by karaluh)
[10:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: we have recording equipment for KDS
[10:55] <shadeslayer> professional stuff
[10:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what was the question?
[10:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw we might go for a late lunch
[10:59] <shadeslayer> since the AGM is still going on -.-
[11:44] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1200523] Some of the kubuntu patches break plasma @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1200523 (by karaluh)
[11:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174605] No unlock dialogue after locking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174605 (by naught101)
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:01] <soee> lol where is smartboyhw ? just heard in radio that 14 years old hacker was captured for hacking fb fanpages :) and hes 14 right ?
[12:54] <yofel> shadeslayer: I just arrived at botxo, but the registration desk doesn't open for another half an hour so i'll just take a break till then.
[12:54] <yofel> it's too freaking hot here...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:56] <shadeslayer> yofel: I think we're heading to some bar or sth
[12:56] <shadeslayer> after the AGM
[13:00] <yofel> K. I'm here till 15:45 probably. Leave a message if you leave earlier, then i,ll just catch you guys at the registration if you're there
[13:01]  * yofel off
[13:01] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:00] <yofel> shadeslayer: still at the conference building?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^
[14:18] <shadeslayer> this agm keeps on going
[14:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: ok, I'll come over shortly
[14:18] <shadeslayer> awesome
[15:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The question was is that something new (322264) or related to code that changed in 4.10.5.
[21:10]  * Riddell posts http://blogs.kde.org/2013/07/12/akademy-2013-starting
[22:30]  * skellat passes to Riddell some interesting logs: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-11-15.00.html


[09:58] <alan_g> greyback: following on our discussion of display vs output... https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/deconflate-output-from-display/+merge/328221
[10:00] <greyback> alan_g: ack!
[23:33] <xnox> Sarvatt, Trevinho - do we still need content-hub, and does content-hub still need libertine?
[23:33] <xnox> i think we want to drop libertine, no? and can we make content-hub not depend on libertine if that is the case.
[23:34] <Trevinho> xnox: AFAIK no,
[23:34] <xnox> Trevinho, but i thought mir-kiosk people said they want content-hub for copy&paste or something.
[23:35] <Trevinho> xnox: oh, well I'm not much into that discussion honestly...
[23:35] <xnox> or is the no, towards not possible to make the two not working together.
[23:35] <Trevinho> xnox: I think libertine is free to go though
[23:35] <xnox> Trevinho, hm, ok. I just don't seem to see the usual people in the channel.
[23:35] <xnox> hence you got the ping =)
[23:35] <Trevinho> :-D


[22:08] <lamont> bah.  what was the fix for: bzr: ERROR: The dirstate file (DirState(u'/etc/.bzr/checkout/dirstate')) appears to be corrupt: failed to find trailing NULL (\0). Trailing garbage: '\n'
[22:09] <lamont>  where I cannot do a checkout ontop of the existing tree?
[22:34] <fullermd> bzr repair-workingtree maybe?


[03:09] <freenodecom> This channel has been reopened with respect to the communities and new users. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies
[03:09] <freenodecom> The new channel is ##ubuntu-news
[11:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Design and Web team summary – 26 May 2021 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-26-may-2021
[12:32] <guiverc> I was wondering if something about IRC should go to fridge?  (anything to help make people aware of move from freenode to libera.chat?? but what?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001923.html would seem out of place; madhens has mentioned a ubuntu blog coming out once Canonical bots are ready? (UF; or how I read her piece)
[12:34] <kryten> Check the Fridge.. :P
[13:15] <guiverc> thanks jose !
[13:16] <guiverc> & thanks kryten
[13:20] <guiverc> kryten, jose should jose's post to fridge go out to twitter as well (I don't wanna fight with fb, but twitter is easy)
[13:22] <kryten> Yeah, that'd be great!
[13:24] <guiverc> tweeted  "Announcing Ubuntu’s move to Libera Chat  fridge.ubu....."
[13:25] <kryten> Thanks!
[14:23] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Downloading Ubuntu Got This User a DMCA Notice from their ISP @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/05/ubuntu-iso-dmca-copyright-infringement (by Joey Sneddon)
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[00:35] <mate|43047> hello everyone! i am using Ubuntu Mate on an almost 12 year-old notebook. Is there any thing that i can do to turn Ubuntu Mate a little bit smoothier for my old friend here?
[00:45] <jb_> bsr
[00:46] <jb_> salut
[03:44] <Guest5199> Hi. Dropbox won't connect after initial installation, Caja and Nautalis. This is for both of the ubuntu mates 16... It work fine with linux mint on the same machine..
[03:46] <Guest5199> It says it can't Caja has a restart spashscreen, the other a configure proxy flag. Can anyone help me. Please:-)
[03:47] <Guest5199> I guess I better identify faster next time.
[07:13] <vlt> Good morning! On Ubuntu 16.04 MATE every user gets an (annoying) notification whenever someone (else) prints something. How can we disable this?
[13:50] <ergosomnic> What's the reason for using Caja rather than Nemo?  Nemo SEEMS to have more features and integration.
[13:58] <ali1234> nemo is from cinnamon project
[13:58] <ali1234> caja is from mate project
[14:16] <noah_> hey
[14:26] <ergosomnic> I understand that nemo is cinnamon, but if it is "better" then shouldn't Mate adopt it? Is there a technical reason for maintaining a inveterate, but possible inferior project?
[14:27] <ergosomnic> s/inveterate/seperate/
[14:27] <ergosomnic> stupid spel-chek
[14:27] <alkisg> mate is not a distribution to go around and collect unrelated software
[14:28] <alkisg> It has software that is inside its own codebase
[14:28] <alkisg> What if they want to apply a theme or a patch and nemo doesn't accept it upstream? They keep maintaining a fork?
[15:04] <vlt> Hello! On Ubuntu 16.04 MATE every user gets an (annoying) notification from CUPS(?) whenever someone (else) prints something. How can we disable this without disabling the whole notification framework?
[15:08] <wmueller> Hello: I just upgaded my RPI 3 to 16.04.2 and now the chromium browser is crashing, actually the extensions a re crashing , has anyone else seen this and is there a fix or work around for it?? thanks.
[16:56] <tewlah> hi, is it possible to change the Ctrl-Alt-T shortcut to a different terminal other than MATE-terminal?
[17:57] <john69> hello... just installed Ubuntu mate on my thinkPad T410
[17:58] <Akuli> nice :)
[17:58] <john69> when i close the lid the main screen doesn't switch to my external monitor
[17:58] <Akuli> i like thinkpads, cheap and good computers
[17:58] <Akuli> what do you want it to be like when the lid is open?
[17:58] <john69> my laptop screen stays main screen
[17:58] <Akuli> so when lid is open you want and have both screens
[17:59] <john69> i want to just use my external monitor... not the latop screen
[17:59] <Akuli> and when lid is closed you have both screens even though you dont want the laptop screen?
[17:59] <Akuli> ok
[17:59] <Azulflame> john, check the actions in Control Center > Power Management > and then both on AC and battery
[17:59] <john69> ok... lemme take a look
[18:00] <Azulflame> for what you want, I think you need to have the external monitor already used, then select "do nothing" for the "When laptop lid is closed" option
[18:01] <john69> ok... right now it says to suspend
[18:01] <Azulflame> change and test?
[18:02] <ouroumov_> In the display settings you can kill your built in screen btw.
[18:02] <ouroumov_> And set witch screen to use as main screen.
[18:02] <Azulflame> I wasn't sure if "Blank Screen" would blank the internal screen or all connected screens
[18:02] <john69> thanks... for the pointers... just new getting around this version on ubuntu
[18:03] <john69> had "normal" 16.04 installed for a month...
[18:03] <Azulflame> and ouroumov_ I'm not seeing that option in my displays menu
[18:03] <john69> and it just "worked" out of the box
[18:04] <john69> hmmmm...
[18:04] <Azulflame> then it's definitly possible, but MATE may not default to the same settings
[18:04] <john69> closing the laptop lid does nothing
[18:04] <Akuli> i guess you could get the default settings from a "normal" ubuntu and put them in ubuntu mate
[18:04] <Azulflame> so if you are unlucky, then you may have to dick around in the terminal and X server settings to get it how you want
[18:04] <Akuli> if nothing else works
[18:05] <Azulflame> Also, if you are going to distro-hop like you insinuated, then I'd recommend making another partition (/dev/sdaX) and mount it to /home so that if you install a new version, you can keep your files
[18:05] <john69> oy vay... X server settings... ;)
[18:06] <john69> ok... if i have too... :-)
[18:06] <Akuli> https://xkcd.com/963/
[18:06] <Akuli> lol
[18:07] <Azulflame> If I wanted to be a moderate dick to a guy (reasons withheld), would dd if=/dev/zero of=<link to xorg.conf> do what I think it does?
[18:07] <Azulflame> or would it write zeros until the end of the hard drive
[18:08] <Azulflame> ?
[18:08] <Akuli> or you know, $ rm xorg.conf && touch xorg.conf
[18:08] <Akuli> yes it would write zeros until end of hard drive
[18:08] <Akuli> /dev/null represents emptiness, use that
[18:08] <Akuli> also supports writing, the writes simply go nowhere :)
[18:08] <Akuli> $ echo hi > /dev/null
[18:08] <john69> um yeah... not TOUCHING that "dd" command...
[18:09] <Azulflame> yea john69, dd is a fickle beast
[18:09] <Akuli> well not much different from cp
[18:09] <Akuli> kind of like cp except that doesn't delete destinations and displays nice stats when its done
[18:09] <Azulflame> it's just bit operations instead of file operations
[18:09] <Akuli> well no, the two are the same thing
[18:09] <Azulflame> you don't run "cp /dev/random /dev/sda"
[18:10] <Akuli> well, you can
[18:10] <Akuli> it works
[18:10] <Azulflame> well there's an idea
[18:10] <Azulflame> Now I have to close a VM
[18:10] <Azulflame> brb
[18:11] <john69> ok guys (or gals)... have fun "geeking out" i'm gonna reboot and see what my setting changes bring me...
[18:11] <john69> thanks for the help!
[18:11] <Akuli> john69, just log out and back in
[18:11] <Akuli> if you didn't enter your password anywhere that does the same thing as rebooting
[18:12] <john69> thanks
[18:12] <Azulflame> will a logout refresh the X server configs, if they only logout to lightdm?
[18:14] <Akuli> if lightdm does something weird with this (i doubt it) then we can stop and restart it
[18:14] <Akuli> i use my systems without a login manager so i don't know
[18:14] <Azulflame> I'm pretty sure that Ubuntu Mate uses LightDM by default
[18:15] <Akuli> yes it does, but i haven't felt like needing it for a while
[18:15] <Azulflame> pacman -S toilet
[18:15] <Azulflame> ignore that
[18:16] <Akuli> that happens to me all the time
[18:17] <Azulflame> IRC, VM, and Terminal all running at the same time
[18:17] <Azulflame> the biggest problem is that I thought I was in Terminal, and I'm running Ubuntu, not Arch
[19:16] <frsync> hello
[23:41] <nomic> z.


[23:22] <dragon> Unfortunately, I'm being forced to *upgrade* to 11.04.
[23:23] <dragon> gnome wouldn't work on 12.04, and unity doesn't seem like it's configurable yet.


[04:18] <Nothing_Much> Is there a way to track live streams when there's a Q&A going on regarding Ubuntu? o.o
[04:20] <jose> Nothing_Much: is that for Ubuntu on Air?
[04:22] <Nothing_Much> Uh, it was a link on Phoronix with Mark Shuttleworth
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> Though there's others I'm looking at right now
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> Which apparently happened a while ago
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> I don't wanna miss that stuff
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> Are there specific channels to idle in?
[04:27] <jose> ah, no idea
[04:27] <jose> we have some Q&As at ubuntuonair.com
[04:29] <Nothing_Much> A video like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH6dC6SeS4Y will wind up on that ubuntuonair.com website?
[04:40] <jose> most likely, things that are on youtube.com/ubuntuonair, basically
[04:41] <Nothing_Much> oh nice
[13:28] <mhall119> jose is invading our channel!
[13:28] <mhall119> (and soon, our state)
[16:49] <Nothing_Much> Who's jose?
[16:59] <mhall119> Nothing_Much: only one of our mose awesome community leaders :)
[16:59] <mhall119> s/mose/most/
[17:01] <Nothing_Much> oh nice, where is he online?
[17:02] <mhall119> just about everywhere that starts with #ubuntu-
[17:03] <Nothing_Much> I meant like on a website like launchpad or somewhere Ubuntu based. :P
[17:16] <mhall119> probably also a lot


[00:54] <Doughy> Mu U1 won't sync because I'm getting this error: "description: local and server roots are different"
[00:54] <Doughy> My*
[00:54] <Doughy> Anyone know how to fix?
[11:55] <duanedesign> happy weekend


[00:01] <kees> vagrantc: thanks! I've pushed the updated sigs :):)
[00:02] <vagrantc> kees: excellent!
[00:03] <slangasek> nathwill: also useful to know: after 'bzr merge ../debian', 'bzr diff' will show the difference vs. the previous Ubuntu version, 'bzr diff --old ../debian' will show the difference vs. the latest Debian version
[00:04] <vagrantc> kees: cookie-free, to boot!
[00:04] <kees> hehe
[00:04] <nathwill> thanks slangasek. i take it once pushed, an lp-propose will be smart enough to propose a merge to package master?
[00:05] <nathwill> or do i need to specify
[00:06] <slangasek> nathwill: it should be smart enough :)
[00:08] <sunarst4r> test
[00:12] <nibalizer> slangasek: I think I found what I would consider a bug w/ the live/installer CD: right after booting, you get no networking because it doesn't dhclient or anything
[00:12] <nibalizer> is that intentional
[00:12] <bkerensa> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/946729
[00:15] <nathwill> hey slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-vfs/+bug/946715
[00:15] <nathwill> nudge nudge
[00:16] <slangasek> nibalizer: if you're using the live-installer, then you should get networking via network-manager
[00:17] <nibalizer> slangasek: all it says is "Wired network. Device not managed", why doesn't network manager 'manage' my wired connection?
[00:18] <slangasek> nibalizer: good question! :)
[00:18] <kees> nibalizer: check /etc/network/interfaces  -- if the interface is listed there, I think N-M will ignore it
[00:19] <nibalizer> Also, if you lack networking: Ubuntu Software Center can't install things. But it creates an icon on the Unity-Dock-launcher-thing with a "?" on the picture and THEN fails, causing an eyesore and useless app
[00:21] <slangasek> nathwill: it's true that I have access to change the override to main, but you would need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess first :)
[00:23] <nibalizer> kees: eth0 is in network/interfaces
[00:23] <blkperl> slangasek: bug 793632 closed in debian, fixed in ubuntu?
[00:23] <kees> nibalizer: try commenting it out and restart n-m.
[00:26] <nibalizer> kees: haha, rather than starting to work, n-m now reports 'no network devices available'
[00:27]  * kees holds his face
[00:27] <nibalizer> poor network manager
[00:27] <kees> nibalizer: I never get it right and always have to try a few things
[00:27] <nibalizer> droped as a child
[00:27] <nibalizer> s/droped/dropped/
[00:27] <kees> nibalizer: here's what I have:
[00:27] <kees> auto eth0
[00:27] <kees> #iface eth0 inet dhcp
[00:28] <nibalizer> kees getting networking isn't my problem, dhclient makes it go, I'm wondering if this is a bug worth reporting to lp
[00:28] <kees> oh, hrm... sure!
[00:28] <kees> it may get ignored for a while, but at least it'll be there. :)
[00:31] <blkperl> nibalizer: bug 886427
[00:31] <slangasek> by default when using the live installer, /etc/network/interfaces should not have anything for eth0, letting n-m manage it
[00:31] <slangasek> so that's a bug
[00:31] <slangasek> nibalizer: so please file it :) ^^
[00:32] <slangasek> bkerensa: grep -r 'thing to search' directory/
[00:33] <slangasek> nathwill: have followed up on the gnome-vfs thing, it needs to be fixed by the inkscape maintainers and once changed there the archive will get semi-automatically updated
[00:33] <nathwill> slangasek: schweet. thanks
[00:34] <bkerensa> slangasek: so say a typo is something like "this app doessss this" and it occurs in multiple files within the source tree how could I easily replace all instances of that typo with the correct spelling?
[00:36] <slangasek> bkerensa: um... grep -r 'this app doessss this' directory | xargs sed -i -e's/this app doessss this/this app does this/'
[00:36] <slangasek> sorry, no
[00:36] <slangasek> grep -rl 'this app doessss this' directory | xargs sed -i -e's/this app doessss this/this app does this/'
[00:36]  * nathwill hearts xargs
[00:41] <nibalizer> slangasek: sorry getting familiar with lp bug reporting... what package is this related to ? n-m or live-installer?
[00:42]  * nibalizer supposed live-installer may not be a package
[00:43] <slangasek> nibalizer: 'ubiquity' as the catch-all package
[00:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: however: when you *boot* the live-CD, what does /etc/network/interfaces look like?
[00:45] <nibalizer> slangasek: i'm booted into the live-cd, haven't started installer, we have a loopback and an eth0
[00:47] <slangasek> nibalizer: then that's a bug in live-build
[00:47] <slangasek> or in casper
[00:51] <bkero> How's that Ubuntu meetup going?
[00:53] <slangasek> it's goin'
[00:54] <bkero> make it go!
[00:54] <bkerensa> slangasek: this was the bitesize bug that was related to kernel-team https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/593107
[00:54] <bkerensa> its now fixed
[00:56] <bkero> lol
[00:56] <bkero> what a bug
[01:14] <nathwill> slangasek: do you prefer we just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors, or do you want us to link you merge proposals?
[01:23]  * kees stabs lintian
[01:28] <kees> adam_g: say... which # is the lvm/watershed bug?
[01:31] <slangasek> nathwill: merge proposals automatically wind up on the sponsorship list without having to subscribe anyone :)
[01:31] <nathwill> ah. kk. well nm then!
[01:31] <nathwill> the Getting Sponsorship wiki may have an old way of doing it listed then
[01:32] <slangasek> kees: bug #802626
[01:32] <slangasek> nathwill: does it?  Let me see
[01:33] <slangasek> nathwill: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/SeekingSponsorship doesn't mention subscribing sponsors
[01:33] <bkerensa> slangasek: Interested in working on #337358 if you have some guidance as to a propose change I could fix
[01:33] <slangasek> that's only mentioned in the traditional process
[01:34] <bkerensa> Bug #337358
[01:34] <nathwill> ah, it's not the SeekingSponsorship wiki, it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix#Committing_the_fix
[01:34] <nathwill> slangasek, i'll change it...
[01:38] <nathwill> and... it won't let me edit it
[01:39] <TRAVISg> heading over be there soon
[01:40] <nibalizer> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/live-build/+bug/946783
[01:42] <nibalizer> what package is related to ubuntu software center?
[01:43] <bkerensa> Bug #661654
[01:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: thankee
[01:44] <slangasek> nibalizer: 'software-center'
[01:47] <nibalizer> slangasek: yea i just figuerd that out
[01:55] <nibalizer> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/946789
[01:55] <nibalizer> also is it inteded behavior for every application installed in software-center to be added to Launcher?
[01:55] <nibalizer> That seems... unsustainable
[02:04] <slangasek> nibalizer: no
[02:24] <slangasek> nibalizer: with the networking bug, you booted an actual liveCD, right, not netbooting?
[02:41] <kees> adam_g: http://outflux.net/udev/
[03:16] <cy1> Welp I'm gonna head off. It's now dark enough to bicycle around all over the place. :p
[03:21] <cy1> http://pastebin.com/JtN0aKTw
[17:20] <bkerensa> hi nathwill
[17:21] <nathwill> hi bkerensa!
[17:21] <nathwill> how's thangs?
[17:21] <bkerensa> nathwill: good :) how is yhoo
[17:21] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:22] <nathwill> still here!
[17:22] <cweber10> morning
[17:23] <nathwill> morning cweber, how's it goin?
[17:23] <cweber10> on way to school, and finaly caught up on sleep.
[17:24] <bkerensa> cweber10:  :( seeya at 1pm on the WOU presentation thingy
[17:24] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:25] <cweber10> yep need to actuly set up g+ on my school account
[17:27] <bkerensa> nathwill: #900002 is now dead
[17:27] <nathwill> yaaaay
[17:27] <nathwill> that bug was out of control
[17:27] <bkerensa> nathwill: it is now #947240, #947242, #947244, #947245, #947246, #947247, #947248
[17:27] <bkerensa> :D
[17:28] <nathwill> damn yooo
[17:28] <nathwill> ;)
[17:28] <bkerensa> lol
[17:30] <bkerensa> cweber10: I hope Becka knows that I intend to wholly use the Ubuntu Wiki on Triaging :P
[17:30] <bkerensa> I think it provides a pretty "precise" guide on triaging
[17:30] <bkerensa> ;0
[18:14] <cweber10> bkerensa: Yea not 100% sure what she expects. BTW setup google+ on my school account.
[18:16] <cweber10> Yestery was good, got lots of good information
[18:18] <cweber10> yesterday even. :P
[18:23] <nathwill> lol.
[18:23] <nathwill> i like yestery
[18:24] <nathwill> sounds like yester-eve
[18:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: :( A white square artifact took over my desktop... this is the second time it has happened and upon reboot my wallpaper was defaulted and my launcher
[18:42] <bkerensa> :(
[18:42] <nathwill> what'd you DO!
[18:44] <bkerensa> nathwill: idk and now it wont let me set a background at all and appearance has background set but it is not the one displaying
[18:44] <bkerensa> :(
[18:44] <bkerensa> slangasek to the rescue?
[18:44] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:44] <bkerensa> if I knew which package was bugging I would file a report
[18:58] <slangasek> hmm?
[18:58] <slangasek> start with gnome-control-center, I guess
[18:59] <slangasek> bkerensa: ^^
[19:08] <bkerensa> k
[19:08] <bkerensa> slangasek: I was talking to jcastro who also has encounter and he thinks it may be drivers issues
[19:09] <slangasek> could be, though I don't recall seeing any driver updates recently
[19:24] <nathwill> bkerensa: you using the proprietary graphics drivers?
[19:24] <bkerensa> nathwill: nope
[19:24] <nathwill> yaaay
[20:21] <vagrantc> anyone leave a thick black hoodie sweatshirt at freegeek during the gloabl jam yesterday?
[20:22] <vagrantc> let me know, otherwise i'll put it in the freegeek lost and found
[20:46] <bkerensa> vagrantc: A hoodie and not a zip up?
[20:49] <vagrantc> bkerensa: a zip up hoodie
[20:55] <bkerensa> vagrantc: ok well I saw two... one might be nathwill
[20:55] <bkerensa> and I have to check if I took mine but I think i came in just a shirt
[20:56] <nathwill> say what
[20:56] <nathwill> um. i had a zip-up, but it had no hood
[20:56] <nathwill> and i wouldn't call it thick
[20:57] <bkerensa> cweber10: let me know when ur ready i dont see becka on g+ yet
[21:00] <cweber10> we have my laptop setup
[21:01] <bkerensa> cweber10: ok so I should invite you then?
[21:01] <bkerensa> cweber10: Can you add me on G+
[21:01] <cweber10> yea maybe will work
[21:04] <cweber10> i added you into my circles
[21:06] <bkerensa> ok
[21:06] <bkerensa> cweber10:  im in ur hangout ;0
[21:25] <cweber10> ha ha got screen working
[21:32] <cweber10> bkerensa; they where talking keyboard use not mouse
[21:33] <cweber10> you still there
[21:34] <bkerensa> cweber10: system had a weird shutdown for some reason
[21:34] <bkerensa> coming back up
[21:36] <bkerensa> cweber10: It says the hangout ended
[21:36] <bkerensa> ?
[21:37] <cweber10> yea we had school net issues so switched to wired
[21:40] <cweber10> what number?
[21:49] <bkerensa> cweber10: It was my system it just popped up a shutdown dialog which I accident had clicked
[21:49] <bkerensa> :(
[21:49] <bkerensa> no idea what the shutdown dialog came up though
[21:50] <cweber10> yea odd
[21:51] <cweber10> what number was your bug.
[22:06] <bkerensa> slangasek: I fixed that git bug and as expected someone is asking me to submit upstream saying they wont accept in ubuntu
[22:06] <bkerensa> :(
[22:07] <slangasek> bkerensa: what bug was this?
[22:08] <bkerensa> slangasek: #879427
[22:08] <bkerensa> here is my merge that Andreas K commented on
[22:08] <bkerensa> https://code.launchpad.net/~bkerensa/ubuntu/precise/git/fix-for-879427/+merge/95824
[22:09] <slangasek> bkerensa: well in this case the bug was apparently already fixed both upstream and in Debian, so he's just synced the package directly
[22:10] <slangasek> so the bug is fixed now
[22:10] <bkerensa> slangasek: its not fixed though the patch that was submitted upstream previously could not have fixed it
[22:10] <bkerensa> :)
[22:10] <bkerensa> the patch submitted upstream only fixes it in two places while the typo was in much more then two places
[22:12] <slangasek> well, the other places the string occurs are all in translation files
[22:12] <bkerensa> ahh
[22:12] <slangasek> looking at the current package
[22:13] <slangasek> this actually means that translations in launchpad may fail to be picked up because the string being translated doesn't match the one in the source
[22:13] <bkerensa> slangasek: my merge proposal fixes the translation files
[22:13] <slangasek> yes
[22:14] <bkerensa> so do I still need to submit a patch upstream?
[22:14] <slangasek> but I agree with Anders that this is not an issue for which we want to carry a delta in Ubuntu - we still want to be efficient in how we manage our deltas
[22:14] <bkerensa> ok
[22:14] <slangasek> pushing it upstream to Debian would be best :)
[22:15] <bkerensa> slangasek: Is there a efficient command to make a patch from my branch and also what package would I submit it to on upstream?
[22:16] <slangasek> 'bzr diff -p1 lp:ubuntu/git > ../git-typo.patch' should give you a patch from your branch
[22:16] <slangasek> the package in Debian is the same as in Ubuntu
[22:18] <slangasek> (it has to be or else we wouldn't be syncing it :)
[22:21] <bkerensa> slangasek: do you know the version for debians package?
[22:21] <slangasek> 1:1.7.9-1
[22:21] <slangasek> (the version that the bug shows was just synced to precise)
[22:27] <slangasek> bkerensa: the best way to ensure you're submitting a patch that applies in Debian in this case is by doing a 'bzr merge lp:debian/git' into your branch, then resolving any merge conflicts
[22:29] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=662709
[22:29] <bkerensa> should I need to redo the patch?
[22:34] <slangasek> bkerensa: hmm, both patches you sent to that bug are empty
[22:39] <slangasek> bkerensa: sorry, I gave you a bad command - it should be 'bzr diff -p1 --old lp:ubuntu/git > ../git-typo.patch'
[22:42] <bkerensa> slangasek: No I'm going to look like a fool to the DD :P
[22:42] <slangasek> just blame it on me
[22:43] <slangasek> it's a good idea to review diffs for sanity before emailing them off to bug trackers, fwiw :)
[22:44] <bkerensa> slangasek: :P yeah I should have checked
[23:00] <vagrantc> it's not hard to reverse the patch or change the depth, if it clearly illustrates what the problem is and how to fix it.
[23:00] <vagrantc> ideally the less you have to do the better... but more important is the fix
[23:02] <vagrantc> way less of a problem than pointless whitespace changes or other random  unrelated code changes
[23:03] <nathwill> you don't like whitespace changes?
[23:04] <nathwill> i try to introduce 10 with every commit
[23:04] <bkerensa> slangasek: BTS dislikes me that or it is taking an epic time to update any received submissions... I forwarded you the working patch
[23:04] <bkerensa> nathwill: ;p
[23:05] <bkerensa> nathwill: some person called me and asked if I was the freegeek guy and then said they found the dollar store and hung up
[23:05] <bkerensa> =/
[23:05] <nathwill> you left your sign up!
[23:05] <nathwill> hahahaha
[23:05] <bkerensa> OH FUDGE
[23:05] <bkerensa> :(
[23:05] <bkerensa> no
[23:05] <bkerensa> no please tell me I didnt
[23:06] <nathwill> well i certainly didn't take it down
[23:06] <bkerensa> :( how could I have forgot
[23:06] <bkerensa> now everyone who saw it is going to random dial me
[23:06] <bkerensa> good thing it was google voice
[23:07] <vagrantc> bkerensa: i'll take it down tomorrow
[23:08] <bkerensa> hmm a grump debian developer just e-mailed me :P
[23:08] <bkerensa> grumpy*
[23:08] <nathwill> lmao
[23:08] <vagrantc> bkerensa: let it wash over you like water off a duck's back
[23:09] <bkerensa> he said "so I don't
[23:09] <bkerensa> have to do this reassign dance - however fun it may be, it gets tiresome
[23:09] <bkerensa> after a while."
[23:09] <nathwill> was it kees?
[23:09] <bkerensa> no
[23:09] <bkerensa> Gergely Nagy
[23:10] <bkerensa> apparently I tagged the bug wrong so he had to do some sort of debian re-assign dance ;)
[23:10] <bkerensa> I guess thats like a rain dance or something
[23:15] <slangasek> the pseudoheader in Debian bug messages is line-based
[23:15] <slangasek> looks like you accidentally ran the 'Package' and 'Version' lines together
[23:19] <bkerensa> slangasek: Is there any reason BTS would be ignoring my working patch submission?
[23:19] <slangasek> what address did you send the mail to?
[23:23] <bkerensa> slangasek<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[23:25] <bkerensa> nathwill: I heard back from O'Reilly apps open at end of this month and they think we should be good
[23:25] <nathwill> bkerensa: good deal :)
[23:25] <slangasek> bkerensa: it's probably just that the mail gateway is sometimes slow.  email isn't realtime (which is one of the complaints about the Debian bts)
[23:25] <bkerensa> nathwill: also I will be out of state in May likely could you handle our meeting that month?
[23:25] <nathwill> yassir, but you'll need to remind me
[23:26] <bkerensa> nathwill: Will do... I will hopefully be in Oakland for UDS
[23:39] <nathwill> aw


[01:23] <waigani_> wallyworld: lp:gomaasapi/enum.go only has 7 node status consts, where lp:maas/maasserver/enum.py has 15. Do you know if there is a reason for that, or is gomaasapi out of date?   I know another application using lumberjack did the same thing, because they were doing a ton of small writes.
[03:28] <wallyworld> axw: could you look at this for me? discussing with curtis we have been wanting this for a little while - bootstrap command waits till api server is ready before exiting http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1836/
[03:29] <menn0> natefinch: not a bad idea ...
[03:30] <wallyworld> waigani_: gomaasapi change looks good
[03:32] <axw> wallyworld: looking
[03:32] <waigani_> waigani_: cool - that will allow the maas provider to report the right error
[03:32] <menn0> natefinch: the problem is making sure things make it to disk when the agent dies
[03:33] <natefinch> menn0: yep, that's a problem
[03:33] <menn0> natefinch: looking at the Writer code it looks like unless you call Flush or Close before things finish up the contents of the buffer at the end won't make it to disk
[03:33] <menn0> natefinch: so i'd still need something watching the api server's tomb which calls flush as it's dying
[03:34] <menn0> natefinch: anyway i'll leave things as they are for now. the OS's own caching may be just fine.
[03:35] <menn0> thumper: do you have time to look at that PR?
[03:35] <thumper> menn0: yeah
[03:35] <thumper> in a few minutes
[03:37] <menn0> thumper: thamks
[03:39] <axw> wallyworld: reviewed, probably good to ship but I have a few questions first
[03:39] <wallyworld> sure, ty
[03:43] <wallyworld> axw: answers published
[03:45] <davechen1y> thumper: here is a nasty one https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1460893
[03:45] <mup> Bug #1460893: many unhandled assigned values <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460893>
[03:46] <axw> wallyworld: I'll shipit, but what I had expected was that when you bootstrap, Juju wouldn't even export a limited API until bootstrap+possible upgrade had finished
[03:47] <wallyworld> axw: but then that would not allow status to run
[03:47] <axw> wallyworld: why does that matter? if we're blocking until the API is available?
[03:47] <wallyworld> axw: and it's even harder because the upgrade check needs to api
[03:48] <wallyworld> so we need to start the api for the upgrade workr
[03:48] <wallyworld> hence everything can see it also
[03:48] <wallyworld> and so log in
[03:49] <wallyworld> is that making sense
[03:49] <axw> wallyworld: it's not unsolvable, but I understand that that makes it more difficult
[03:50] <wallyworld> it would need changes down at the rpc leve;
[03:50] <axw> yep
[03:50] <wallyworld> so messy this late in 1.24
[03:50] <wallyworld> and we've wanted bootstrap to behave like this anyway
[03:50] <axw> it could use loopback-only during bootstrap-upgrade, but that probably wouldn't help for local provider
[03:51] <wallyworld> likely, yes
[03:51] <wallyworld> we can take another stab in 1.25 or something
[03:51] <axw> wallyworld: it's got a rubber stamp now
[03:52] <wallyworld> ty
[03:52] <wallyworld> tested on amazon, just testing on local to be sure
[03:55] <menn0> natefinch: how do the log files managed via lumberjack end up with the "correct" ownership and perms?
[03:55] <menn0> natefinch: i'm not seeing where that happens
[03:57] <natefinch> menn0: https://github.com/natefinch/lumberjack/blob/v2.0/lumberjack.go#L200
[04:00] <menn0> natefinch: ok right. so b/c the shell script used with upstart/systemd sets the initial mode and owner lumberjack perpetuates it
[04:00] <natefinch> menn0: yep
[04:00]  * menn0 needs to do something similar for this other log file
[04:01] <natefinch> menn0: that's like 2/3rds of the reason I left the upstart script alone, was because I didn't want to have to recreate that logic somewhere else.
[04:04] <mup> Bug #1460893 was opened: many unhandled assigned values <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460893>
[04:58] <thumper> time to head off and give a juju talk
[05:10] <wallyworld> axw: if you have time, i'd like another set of eyes on a problem
[05:11] <axw> wallyworld: yup
[05:11] <wallyworld> so in that recent PR with bootstrap - it fails on local provider because the isAgentUpgrading() never returns false
[05:12] <wallyworld> so bootstrap polls and gives up
[05:12] <wallyworld> and yet the bootstrap is ok because deploy works
[05:13] <wallyworld> so i can't quite see right now why the channel to signal agent upgrade checks are finished isn't closed
[05:13] <axw> wallyworld: I don't see any isAgentUpgrading(), did you change something and not upload?
[05:13] <wallyworld> no, don't think so. that's in jujud/agent/machine.go
[05:14] <axw> isAgentUpgradePending?
[05:14] <axw> ok
[05:14] <wallyworld> seems to all work fine on aws
[05:14] <wallyworld> if i hard code isAgentUpgradePending() to return false it works
[05:15] <wallyworld> so for some reason the agent upgrade worker is not closing the channel on local provider
[05:15] <wallyworld> that's where i've got to so far
[05:16] <axw> wallyworld: I'm guessing it's something to do with local provider auto-bumping the version
[05:16] <wallyworld> ah, yeah maybe, that version is stored as agent-version in state i guess
[05:16] <axw> yes
[05:17] <wallyworld> i'm sure i tried this, let me try closing that channel at the start of the upgrade worker
[05:18] <menn0> wallyworld: could you have a quick look at this? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1838/
[05:18] <wallyworld> ok
[05:18] <menn0> wallyworld: thanks. it's an easy one.
[05:19] <davechen1y> menn0: sorry, -1 on that PR
[05:20] <davechen1y> menn0: delete the tests and i'll LGTM it
[05:21] <menn0> davechen1y: fine by me I guess
[05:21] <menn0> davechen1y: the tests are kind pointless but i was expecting a reviewer to require them
[05:21] <menn0> :)
[05:21] <menn0> kinda
[05:22] <menn0> davechen1y: the original func with the juju codebase wasn't tested either
[05:23] <wallyworld> axw: if i hard code the closing of the agentUpgradeComplete channel at the very start of the agent upgrade worker loop, it still is unhappy, so the version bump may be a red herring
[05:24] <axw> wallyworld: I'll pull your branch and see if I can spot anything
[05:24] <wallyworld> axw: thanks, i'm sure it's something ovious
[05:24] <menn0> wallyworld: you ok with me deleting the test as per davechen1y (above)
[05:25] <menn0> wallyworld: ?
[05:25] <wallyworld> menn0: was looking at test
[05:25] <wallyworld> i guess so
[05:25] <davechen1y> menn0: os.Chown has tests
[05:25] <davechen1y> the gynmastics to mock out the call just to prove that we can call that call
[05:25] <davechen1y> seem unnecessary
[05:25] <menn0> davechen1y: I agree it's a little contrived
[05:25] <menn0> davechen1y: i could go either way on this one
[05:26] <menn0> davechen1y: the test at least shows that the right things are called
[05:26] <davechen1y> if it didn't work, there are other tests that would break in other packages
[05:26] <davechen1y> if you want to ahve tests
[05:26] <davechen1y> test that calling the os.Chown wrapper changes permissions on disk
[05:27] <davechen1y> otherwise all you're testing is function dispatch works
[05:27] <menn0> davechen1y: yeah but you can't do that meaningfully if the tests aren't running as root
[05:27] <davechen1y> have two tests
[05:27] <davechen1y> if os.GetUid() != = {
[05:27] <davechen1y>   t.Skipf("test skipped, run as roo")
[05:27] <davechen1y>   t.Skipf("test skipped, run as root")
[05:27] <davechen1y> or seomthing
[05:27] <menn0> davechen1y: yeah but that will never happen
[05:28] <menn0> and you shouldn't have to run tests as root
[05:28] <davechen1y> again, it comes down to what is the test testing ?
[05:28] <davechen1y> if the test _requires_ that root can os.Chown, then we have to run as root
[05:28] <davechen1y> otherwise, mocking the funciotn doesn't test anyhting
[05:28] <davechen1y> (apart from function dispatch)
[05:29] <menn0> davechen1y: sure but it's checking that the correct funcs are called with the correct args which is something
[05:29] <menn0> davechen1y: anyway, i don't actually mind much
[05:29] <menn0> davechen1y: i'll delete the test
[05:31] <axw> wallyworld: you have to get a whole new client
[05:31] <axw> wallyworld: also, you should close the client in that method
[05:31] <davechen1y> menn0: sgtm
[05:31] <davechen1y> not worth the argument
[05:31] <wallyworld> axw: let me check what i did
[05:31] <axw> wallyworld: would be nice if the "Waiting for API..." message came before "Bootstrap complete" too
[05:33] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, i thought of that, the bootstrap complete is down in environs - i could move it from there
[05:33] <wallyworld> so what do you mean by a new client? is NewAPIRoot(0 not enough?
[05:34] <axw> wallyworld: or change environs/bootstrap.Bootstrap to do the waiting - I think that would be preferable, rather than adding more logic to the command code
[05:34] <axw> wallyworld: I mean, when you retry, you need to get a new client
[05:34] <axw> wallyworld: otherwise it uses the same apiserver root
[05:34] <wallyworld> why a new client when retrying?
[05:34] <wallyworld> oh right, yes
[05:34] <axw> wallyworld: ^^
[05:35] <wallyworld> axw: i thought about putting the check in environs, but that would have meant putting client code down there
[05:35] <wallyworld> and i didn't think that to be appropriate
[05:35] <axw> wallyworld: well to be truthful the bootstrap *is* complete, so I guess it can stay as it is
[05:36] <wallyworld> yeah, i sorta came to the same conclusion
[05:36] <wallyworld> so let me retry getting another client each retry
[05:38] <wallyworld> axw: yeah, that was it, thank you. i think i was hoping / expecting that a server side change would be noticed by existing api server roots
[05:39] <axw> wallyworld: the current impl doesn't strike me as ideal
[05:39] <wallyworld> me either
[05:39] <wallyworld> i keep thinking it works differently
[06:41] <wallyworld> axw: just read the release notes - the link in the note to the wip doc - the doc is out of date eg says placement not supported
[06:41] <wallyworld> not sure if we should just cut and paste the wip doc into the release notes as doc
[06:42] <axw> wallyworld: where? I updated that
[06:42] <axw> wallyworld: sorry, I updated the doc: https://github.com/juju/docs/pull/443
[06:42] <wallyworld> in Unimplemented Cavearts
[06:42] <wallyworld> oh, ok
[06:42] <wallyworld> so just needs to be acted on
[06:44] <wallyworld> axw: makes more sense now. i think maybe would also be worthwhile to mentin the storage hook tools in the google doc so that at least the doc has mentions of the key features?
[06:46] <axw> wallyworld: seeing as it's the first release, I was trying to avoid having all the same information in two places. I can if you really want.
[06:47] <wallyworld> axw: the issue is that the release notes are really quite comprehensive, so give the impression they cover "all the things"and so a reader might see them and not realise hook tools are there. i agree agbout 2 places. so perhaps the release notes need to be wound back?
[06:48] <axw> wallyworld: originally it was just "we've done storage, here's a link to the docs" - yes, I think we should go back to that
[06:48] <wallyworld> ok, sounds good. i have to head to soccer, will be back later. can you liaise with anastasia if necessary to get her stuff landed?
[06:48] <wallyworld> and get her to re-read the release notes and wip doc?
[06:49] <axw> wallyworld: no worries
[06:49] <wallyworld> tyvm
[06:52]  * anastasiamac cleans storage-add stuff
[07:19] <anastasiamac> ericsnow: ping :D
[08:59] <fwereade> well, that was interesting
[09:00]  * fwereade just found a small lizard hiding in his dressing gown
[09:00] <voidspace> fwereade: I'm sure it's not that small
[09:00] <voidspace> don't be so hard on yourself
[09:01] <fwereade> haha
[09:39] <rogpeppe> fwereade, dimitern, voidspace: fancy a little review? (a couple of bug fixes to the juju/schema package) https://github.com/juju/schema/pull/6
[09:46] <dimitern> rogpeppe, LGTM
[09:46] <rogpeppe> dimitern: thanks!
[10:30] <anastasiamac> axw: in case u miss my pmsg - doc is LGTM :D loving your writting style!!
[11:51] <perrito666> morning
[12:03] <rogpeppe> anyone know if there's any documentation for the possible environment config attributes anywhere?
[12:04] <anastasiamac> perrito666: morning!
[12:04] <rogpeppe> dimitern, jam, fwereade, perrito666, mgz_, evilnickveitch: ^
[12:05] <rogpeppe> anastasiamac, perrito666: hiya
[12:05] <anastasiamac> rogpeppe: o/
[12:05] <perrito666> rogpeppe: sorry dont know
[12:05] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, maybe...
[12:06] <evilnickveitch> do you mean this:
[12:06] <evilnickveitch> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/config-general
[12:08] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: that looks good, thanks. except... a some of those values don't seem to have any descriptions.
[12:09] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: it's a good starting point though, thanks
[12:09] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, yes indeed, if you could fill them in as you go along, that would be a great help :)
[12:09] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: i'm just about to make a big table inside environs/config that describes them all :)
[12:10] <evilnickveitch> hurrah!
[12:27] <Syed_A> Hello Folks, How can i force remove a service stuck with a hook failed.
[12:51] <Syed_A> nevermind
[13:06] <dooferlad> voidspace, dimitern: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/maas-juju-net
[13:10] <dimitern> dooferlad, voidspace, it's over isn't it?
[13:10] <dooferlad> dimitern: yea
[13:11] <dooferlad> dimitern: I was the only Juju guy who turned up and didn't have much to add.
[13:11] <dimitern> dooferlad, too bad :)
[13:11] <dimitern> dooferlad, yeah, np
[13:40] <natefinch> perrito666: it ended up being faster to just write a dumb program than try to figure out how to install that bzr plugin: https://github.com/natefinch/bsmrt
[13:40] <perrito666> lol
[13:41] <katco> natefinch: as ocr, can you give the reviews for this bug precedence? https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1451626
[13:41] <mup> Bug #1451626: Erroneous Juju user data on Windows for Juju version 1.23 <1.23> <blocker> <juju> <oil> <regression> <windows> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451626>
[13:42] <katco> natefinch: it's been sitting for a bit, and we would like to land it ASAP for 1.24
[13:42] <natefinch> katco: yep.
[13:42] <katco> natefinch: ty sir
[13:42] <perrito666> man being able to hangout and build juju is so cool
[13:42] <katco> :p
[13:43] <natefinch> perrito666: what, did you upgrade to a supercomputer?
[13:43] <wwitzel3> lol
[13:44] <perrito666> I have a backpack cluster to run hangout
[13:50] <perrito666> the level of annoyance I have to go to get local provider working despite not having juju local installed is.. well annoying :p
[13:50] <natefinch> katco: lol, Gabriel has gsamfira has been trying to get me to review that stuff for ages... he'll be glad it's officially my duty to do so now.
[13:51] <katco> natefinch: haha
[13:51] <katco> natefinch: sorry... you just happened to be ocr ;p
[13:51] <natefinch> katco: I've wanted to review it, but we've just been so tight on deadlines, I haven't felt like I could spare the time, so I'm glad to be able to now.
[14:04] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: FWIW, all these config attrs are available but don't seem to be documented: block-remove-object provisioner-safe-mode rsyslog-ca-key block-destroy-environment tools-metadata-url storage-default-block-source block-all-changes lxc-use-clone tools-stream allow-lxc-loop-mounts lxc-default-mtu
[14:05] <rogpeppe> ev: ah, tools-metadata-url is actually documented as deprecated
[14:06] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, yup. thanks for the others though.
[14:07] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, what is the difference between lxc-clone and lxc-use-clone?
[14:07] <evilnickveitch> or are they the same?
[14:07] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: i've no idea :)
[14:08] <evilnickveitch> hehehe
[14:08] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: i need to find out though
[14:11] <mup> Bug #1461111 was opened: Allow status-set/get to a service by its leader unit <juju-core:Triaged by hduran-8> <juju-core 1.24:In Progress by hduran-8> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461111>
[14:14] <wallyworld> evilnickveitch: the same, lxc-use-clone is deprecated
[14:14] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: ^^^
[14:14] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: is that documented anywhere?
[14:14] <evilnickveitch> wallyworld, thanks!
[14:14] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: not sure tbh
[14:15] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: is lxc-clone itself documented, in fact?
[14:15] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: evilnickveitch: also, anastasiamac sent out notes on the block config
[14:15] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: i'm trying to gather info on all the config attributes to put into a table inside environs/config
[14:15] <wallyworld> rogpeppe: it would have been in release notes but i sadly suspect we didn;t do more than that
[14:16] <evilnickveitch> wallyworld, cool, I will sync with her on updating the table
[14:16] <wallyworld> ty
[14:18] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, lxc-clone is documented, but as it is provider specific, it is on the lxc page
[14:18] <evilnickveitch> https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/config-LXC
[14:19] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: it's not really provider-specific, is it? all environments can have lxc containers
[14:19] <wallyworld> evilnickveitch: rogpeppe: it used to be but not anymore
[14:19] <wallyworld> it was changed in 1.20
[14:19] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: ok
[14:19] <wallyworld> i think that's when use-clone was deprecated also
[14:20]  * wallyworld is really going away now to sleep
[14:20] <evilnickveitch> heheheh
[14:20] <evilnickveitch> night night wallyworld
[14:20] <wallyworld> ttyl
[14:21] <rogpeppe> wallyworld: thanks for the pointer
[14:25] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, provisioner-safe-mode is deprecated too, as of 1.21.1
[14:25] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: ok, thanks
[14:26] <rogpeppe> evilnickveitch: presumably superceded by harvest-mode
[14:26] <evilnickveitch> yes
[14:27] <evilnickveitch> rogpeppe, tools-stream was replaced with agent-stream
[16:15] <perrito666> is anyone willing to run a test in 1.24 to confirm something?
[16:24] <mup> Bug #1461150 was opened: lxc provisioning fails on joyent <blocker> <ci> <joyent-provider> <lxc> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461150>
[16:28] <perrito666> I need to leave for a moment can anyone check if, while in debug hooks,  you can call any helper at all?
[16:28] <perrito666> for 1.24 that is
[16:29] <natefinch> I'm leaving for a while too, or I would
[16:29] <perrito666> I think something is seriously broken there
[16:32] <rogpeppe> mgz_: ha, looks like 445a79b25d7d7a95127ec36a1f4c41674718a98f changed a little more than you hoped it would
[16:32] <rogpeppe> mgz_: for instance, i just found a bug link to https://bugs.github.com/juju/juju/+bug/1224492
[16:32] <mup> Bug #1224492: environs/config: zero-valued port settings are allowed but ignored <tech-debt> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224492>
[16:33] <rogpeppe> mgz_: which should be the link that mup pointed to...
[16:44] <fwereade> DAMMIT: ... Error: Account should have balance of 25000, got 24999
[16:44] <fwereade> I really thought I might have had it that time
[16:57] <wwitzel3> fwereade: trying to pull a Superman III?
[17:15] <Syed_A> I am trying to reduce the memory of containers by setting up lxc.cgroup.memory.limit_in_bytes in /var/lib/lxc/conatiner/config, but it is throwing errors.
[17:16] <Syed_A> How can i change the default memory for containers in juju ?
[17:16] <Syed_A> lxc_cgmanager - cgmanager.c:cgm_setup_limits:1250 - Error setting cgroup memory:lxc/juju-machine-6-lxc-3 limit type memory.memsw.limit_in_bytes
[17:22] <lazyPower> question: I'm running 1.24-beta5.1 and i've found some weird behavior today. I don't have unit output as i tore the env down and stood it back up wiping the logs in teh process - but i've run into edge cases where it appears that juju did not upload is-leader as part of the toolchain
[17:23] <lazyPower> is this known behavior that i've missed a bug on? I dont want to file a bug without additional info to support the claim other than lazy's gone skitzo
[17:23] <lazyPower> katco: btw - ive put aside some time to review the status doc you sent over, will get you feedback before i EOD, ta for sending that over
[17:24] <fwereade> lazyPower, I'd still go ahead and report it
[17:25] <lazyPower> fwereade: ack, will do. Sorry about the zero info bug in advance :|
[17:26] <fwereade> lazyPower, no worries, that points to a pretty specific area of the code, the inputs to which have been changing a bit lately
[18:49] <Syed_A> Is it possible to reduce the memory of a lxc container started by juju ?
[19:09] <Syed_A> Can i increase the memory of a lxc container started by juju ?
[19:54] <natefinch> abentley: btw, I updated the merge proposal, and I believe I addressed all your concerns (for real this time).
[19:54] <abentley> natefinch: Thanks.  I'll have a look soon.
[19:54] <natefinch> abentley: thanks
[19:56] <marcoceppi> katco: can we chat about min version?
[20:00] <katco> marcoceppi: sure: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/moonstone?authuser=1
[20:01] <abentley> sinzui: Could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~abentley/juju-reports/web-enqueue/+merge/260879 ?
[20:02] <natefinch> katco, marcoceppi: we  should rename it to "Capability Flags" since that better reflects what we're really implementing (until someone decides we need a different color shed).
[20:06] <sinzui> yes abentley
[20:07] <abentley> natefinch: You still have this wait_for_started that you haven't explained the need for or removed.
[20:07] <natefinch> abentley: oh, I thought I deleted that.. honestly, I was just copying what deploy_stack did when it was deploying charms.
[20:10] <natefinch> abentley: I can delete it, that's fine.    The problem with deploy_stack is that, as the oldest script, it is out-of-date in places.
[20:11] <natefinch> abentley: yeah, I didn't realize that when I was copying everything it did :/
[20:12] <natefinch> abentley: that's part of why I tell people to follow what assess_log_rotation.py does for new CI tests in the wiki page.... because at least that'll be less wrong.
[20:12] <mup> Bug #1461246 was opened: UpgradeSuite.TestUpgradeStepsHostMachine consistently fails on utopic <blocker> <ci> <regression> <unit-tests> <utopic> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461246>
[20:13] <natefinch> abentley: test passes, removed and pushed
[20:13] <abentley> natefinch: That seemed like a premature choice given that assess_log_rotation hadn't yet passed code review.
[20:15] <natefinch> abentley:  but I knew it was being reviewed carefully, so once it was in, it should be a good example.
[20:15] <natefinch> abentley: and if not, then I knew someone could just go change the wiki page anyway ;)
[20:37] <abentley> sinzui: Could you tell me what you think of the indentation changes in https://code.launchpad.net/~natefinch/juju-ci-tools/logrot/+merge/259750 ?
[20:39] <natefinch> abentley, sinzui: for the record, everything was run through autopep8... apologies for the apparent spurious indentation changes.
[20:43] <abentley> natefinch: The updated style is more my preference, but I believe the previous style is sinzui's preference and I've been writing to that.
[21:04] <sinzui> natefinch-afk: abentley I have pondered switching to autopep8. I dissagree with the unpythonic closing brace that is NOT specified in PEP8.
[21:04] <sinzui> natefinch-afk: abentley The formatting is fine. I accept the change.
[21:06] <sinzui> abentley: natefinch-afk setting "ignore": "E123, E133", for pep8 and autopep8 removed trailing brace from discussion
[21:07]  * sinzui uses both to not take sides when he reviews/updates other people’s code
[21:08] <sinzui> r=me abentley. I missed the submit button 30 minutes ago
[21:19] <wallyworld> waigani: quick status update on the maas fix? should be done today?
[21:20] <wallyworld> or this morning even :-) ?
[21:27] <mup> Bug #1460171 changed: Deployer fails because juju thinks it is upgrading <blocker> <ci> <deployer> <regression> <tech-debt> <upgrade-juju> <juju-ci-tools:Fix
[21:27] <mup> Released by sinzui> <juju-core:Fix Released by wallyworld> <python-jujuclient:Fix Committed by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1460171>
[21:29] <waigani> wallyworld: yes, in stand up - first thing after
[21:29] <wallyworld> ty :-)
[21:46] <waigani> wallyworld: what's the best way to merge the branch into gomaasapi?
[21:47] <wallyworld> waigani: sorry, in meeting, will need to pull trunk and merge and repush, can you ask thumper
[21:47] <waigani> wallyworld: right, thanks
[21:52] <wallyworld> sinzui: i don't think this one will be fixed for 1.24 either https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1457225
[21:52] <mup> Bug #1457225: Upgrading from 1.20.9 to 1.23.3 works, but error: runner.go:219 exited "machiner": machine-0 failed to set status started: cannot set status
[21:52] <mup> of machine "0": not found or not alive <cts> <sts-stack> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1457225>
[21:53] <menn0> natefinch-afk: did you see this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1461246
[21:53] <mup> Bug #1461246: UpgradeSuite.TestUpgradeStepsHostMachine consistently fails on utopic <blocker> <ci> <regression> <unit-tests> <utopic> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461246>
[21:53] <sinzui> oh goody. wallyworld I don’t see an action we can take on it. Agreed.
[22:10] <waigani> wallyworld: gomaasapi updated, dependencies.tsv updated, Tried to land on 1.24, but it's blocked. Shall I JFDI?
[22:10] <wallyworld> waigani: yeah, i think so
[22:11] <waigani> wallyworld: done
[22:11] <wallyworld> tyvm
[22:30] <whit> if I'm running off 1.24-beta5-trusty-amd64 locally and juju bootstrap --upload-tools, the tools on my deployed machines should match right?
[22:31]  * whit is seeing tools == 1.24-alpha1.1-trusty-amd64
[22:31]  * whit is wondering because is-leader is fairly consistently not present
[22:34] <wallyworld> waigani: did you see the gomaasapi dep looks wrong because build failed?
[22:35] <waigani> wallyworld: on it
[22:40] <waigani> wallyworld: I don't get it. TestDependenciesTsvFormat passes and the revision id is from here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~juju/gomaasapi/trunk/revision/62
[22:55] <wallyworld> waigani: sorry, was in another meeting and about to start another but gotta do something first, can you ask thumper (it's not like he doesn't know bzr :-)
[23:00] <waigani> wallyworld: found it. there was a space before the revis id but after the tab - the format test didn't pick that up.
[23:01] <wallyworld> waigani: you should always run godeps locally before pushing
[23:02] <waigani> wallyworld: lesson learnt. I'll update the test also.
[23:02] <wallyworld> ty :-
[23:02] <wallyworld> )
[23:02] <mwhudson> davechen1y: fwiw, go 1.4 is in wily now
[23:09] <perrito666> ericsnow: ping
[23:09] <ericsnow> perrito666: hi
[23:09] <alexisb> and sinzui and team is working on 1.4.2 verification with juju
[23:09] <perrito666> ericsnow: heyhey
[23:10] <perrito666> ericsnow: do you have any extra info on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1434437 besides whats on the bug?
[23:10] <mup> Bug #1434437: juju restore failed with "error: cannot update machines: machine update failed: ssh command failed: " <backup-restore> <maas-provider> <juju-core:Invalid> <juju-core 1.22:Fix Released by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1434437>
[23:10] <ericsnow> perrito666: nope
[23:10] <perrito666> ericsnow: I am quite curious abut the original bug, as that would indicate that at least one of the machines was not provisioned?
[23:11] <perrito666> I am not entirely sure a machine of juju can be missing a /var/lib/juju
[23:15] <ericsnow> perrito666: yeah, not sure
[23:16] <ericsnow> perrito666: could be that thing where juju uninstalls itself
[23:16] <stokachu> sinzui: any issue with juju failing to create lxc containers? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11530516/
[23:16] <stokachu> ive hit this in 2 separate labs, one with proxy and one without
[23:16] <stokachu> on both trusty and precise
[23:17] <perrito666> ericsnow: not sure, although the issue seems to have been resolved since then and replaced by other
[23:17] <stokachu> both using maas
[23:18] <wallyworld> perrito666: standup?
[23:18] <perrito666> wallyworld: I am there
[23:30] <davechen1y> mwhudson: right
[23:30] <davechen1y> so what was all the hubbub about
[23:30] <mwhudson> not sure
[23:30]  * mwhudson is fighting monitors
[23:31] <alexisb> davechen1y, mostly my lack of understanding in the process, I apologize for the unneeded alarm
[23:32] <davechen1y> alexisb: all good
[23:33] <davechen1y> i don't care how it happens
[23:33] <davechen1y> only that it happens
[23:33] <davechen1y> sinzui: so the next step is to get the W 1.4.4 package backported into the juju ppa
[23:33] <davechen1y> how would you like to track that work ?


[02:28]  * ChinnoDog throws a tomato at ssweeny
[02:53] <ChinnoDog> must not have been big enough
[02:53]  * ChinnoDog throws a pumpkin at ssweeny
[02:53] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: release the hounds on him
[02:54] <ChinnoDog> I dno't think hounds eat tomato or pumpkin
[02:55] <ChinnoDog> Maybe if ssweeny was wrapped in bacon
[02:56] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: the #1 food on my mind now is gingerbread
[02:57] <ChinnoDog> I don't have any of that
[02:58] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: you can get it here: http://www.cyanogenmod.com/
[03:00] <ChinnoDog> That is cool. I didn't realize there was a mainstream aftermarket distribution like that.
[03:01] <mikedep334> ChinnoDog: yup, it is huge
[03:01] <mikedep334> today (like 3AM UTC) they released their new version based on android 2.3 gingerbread, CM 7.0
[03:03] <mikedep334> this is the 1st version to support tablets. There are only two supported, the viewsonic gtablet & the nook color.
[03:03] <mikedep334> I have the former.
[03:26] <andrew> darnit PennBot` stop being PennBot`
[03:26] <andrew> PennBot`: nick PennBot
[03:55] <mikedep334> andrew: what did PennBot ever do to you?
[04:01] <andrew> mikedep334: It's not PennBot that has done anything to me (in regards to the current conversation); I just have a thing against PennBot's evil twin, PennBot`
[04:03] <mikedep334> andrew: oh, gotcha
[04:07] <andrew> So... somehow I've become a scorekeeper for a roller derby team, at least for their next scrimage.
[04:10] <mikedep334> andrew: not too familiar with roller derby here
[04:10] <mikedep334> and I'm going to bed
[04:10] <mikedep334> ttyl
[04:26] <andrew> up until about a week ago, neither was I
[04:33] <ChinnoDog> andrew: That doesn't sound like such a bad job...
[05:19] <andrew> ChinnoDog: We have a combination GDI & BRG (http://www.guerilladrivein.com/ & http://www.brandywinerollergirls.com/) event this Saturday night. I come from the GDI side of things, but I've been preping the past few days for managing the scoreboard/clock/etc.
[05:19] <PennBot> Title: Guerilla Drive-In: West Chester, PA (at www.guerilladrivein.com)
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> andrew: how does one fall into the role of scorekeeper?
[15:59] <waltman> andrew: I remember watching roller derby on tv back in the day and I had no idea how they kept score.  I mean, I know what the score is *supposed* to be, but in practice it just seemed completely chaotic and random.
[16:01] <waltman> granted, the announcers back then were much more interested in the violence than keeping score.
[16:28] <ChinnoDog> I've never been to a roller derby, but it sounds interesting.
[17:21] <waltman> Do they still go around a banked track and beat each other up?
[17:36] <andrew> ChinnoDog: Long story...
[17:37] <andrew> waltman: This is the flat track division, but yes on the second question.
[17:37] <ChinnoDog> andrew: I like long stories
[17:38] <andrew> As do I, but I'm in the middle of a major phone system changeover.
[19:03]  * erstazi is in the middle of his SVN server being down )':
[19:04] <erstazi> and I was in the programming zone with no distractions until it went down. even more of a sob story
[19:04] <ChinnoDog> Did you lose work?
[19:05] <erstazi> ChinnoDog: no, it is there. and I have backups. but it is just a network change with the VPS. so it is wait && wait && wait
[19:05] <erstazi> so I have a ping set on it and set a notification to tell me when it is back up and getting responses
[19:05] <erstazi> until then, I beat on my freebsd box and the debian ia64 box with anger. more so at the ia64 server.
[19:05] <erstazi> I want to take a hammer to that box so badly.
[19:09] <erstazi> I mean, yeah, I can still work and stuff but I have scripts that point to this svn server so it just makes my life easy. I can just do svn up && ./saas/saas_source and bam, all the sql functions and procedures are sourced and the server side scripts are loaded in the proper directories. diffs are displayed to double check people's work. I should really have it setup to be able to read from a variable (e.g. SVN_HOST) that can be set like: SVN_HO


[00:51] <jpds> !best
[00:51] <jpds> wut.
 that was english newbie
[07:30] <bazhang> being random, again
[07:32] <bazhang> o-nay
[09:53] <k1l> ah, one is secom. and the guest-XXXXXX guys were him, too
[10:24] <Pricey> ikonia: I think that was a little unfair on both of them.
[10:31] <DJones> Pricey: You'll have to tell him via pm, he's not in this channel
[10:31] <Pricey> He really isn't...
[10:31] <Pricey> Why's that then?
[10:34] <DJones> I guess personal choice
[10:34] <DJones> At least it shows you're not being lazy using tab complete, you even typed the ":" at the end of his nick :)
[10:34] <Pricey> DJones: I tab-completed in #ubuntu, then swapped here.
[10:34] <DJones> Heh, you should have taken the credit,nobody would have known
[10:34] <Pricey> Considering he's still banning people in #ubuntu, I find it a bit irksome that they're not in the ops channel if that's the standard escalation path.
[13:13] <h00k> !ubuntuone
[13:16] <h00k> !ubuntuone is <reply> The Ubuntu One file and music service is being discontinued. The service will be unavailable starting 1 June 2014, and content available until 31 July, 2014. For more, see #ubuntuone
[13:16] <h00k> no !ubuntuone is <reply> The Ubuntu One file and music service is being discontinued. The service will be unavailable starting 1 June 2014, and content available until 31 July, 2014. For more, see #ubuntuone
[13:17] <h00k> I need coffee
[13:17] <Pici> !no ubuntuone is <reply> The Ubuntu One file and music service is being discontinued. The service will be unavailable starting 1 June 2014, and content available until 31 July, 2014. For more, see #ubuntuone
[13:17] <Pici> indeed.
[13:17] <h00k> oh, you start one with a bang
[13:18] <h00k> oh lawd
[13:18]  * h00k scurries off to fill mug
[13:37] <h00k> Good news, everyone
[13:37] <h00k> I'm set.
[18:14] <AlanBell> valorie: you are now voiced in here :)
[19:42] <Pici> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (11% of Full)
[19:46] <k1l_> !guidelines > CryptoServ[Crypt
[20:28] <Jordan_U> In my opinion pdq's question in #ubuntu was acceptable. They asked a very narrow question, what is the default contents of a specific file in a stock Ubuntu installation. That they wanted that info for their Arch installation only becomes a problem if they follow up asking why the Ubuntu default didn't work for them.
[20:30] <Unit193> Jordan_U: Thus I helped, and I'm in another channel with him, helping.  I agree, and have answered those type of questions in #xubuntu, they are asking what the default for Xubuntu is, they'll translate to their system.
[20:35] <k1l_> Jordan_U: +1
[22:08] <valorie> thanks, AlanBell


[10:09] <fnordahl> ContinuitySR, frickler: thanks or raising the cloud-archive bug. The ball has started rolling with attaching a package patch yesterday and we'll get it in there
[10:18] <ContinuitySR> fnordahl: thanks for taking a look, just as an estimate how long does this process normally take (first timer) :D