[12:06] <Reverend_First> Ubuntu
[12:06] <Kmos> and about what?
[12:06] <Kmos> ubuntu.com ?
[12:06] <Reverend_First> yes
[12:06] <Kmos> you should mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:06] <Reverend_First> ok
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112475 in kaffeine (main) "kaffeine can't read a file because of a # in the path" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112475
[12:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112476 in samba (main) "[apport]  net crashed with SIGSEGV in run_rpc_command()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112476
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112477 in Ubuntu "nautilus crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112477
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112478 in Ubuntu "gnome-theme-manager hangs selecting glossy theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112478
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112479 in glade-3 (universe) "glade-3 doesn't have the latest gnome stuff" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112479
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112480 in gip (universe) "gip: error in description" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112480
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112481 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed while reading google groups" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112481
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112482 in firefox (main) "While opening a image on Gnome-look.org firefox crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112482
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112483 in restricted-manager (main) "nvidia 8600 not supported in ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112483
[01:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112484 in rhythmbox (main) "audio skips, but rhythmbox progresses through the track" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112484
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112485 in valknut (universe) "[apport]  valknut crashed with SIGSEGV in CString::CString()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112485
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112487 in evolution (main) "Summary (Key F1) not open any document for help in application" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112487
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112488 in beryl-core (universe) "Beryl and KDE styles conflicting with the menu drop-shadow feature" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112488
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112490 in mplayer (multiverse) "Mouse locked during playback when ~/.lircrc exists" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112490
[01:21] <ubotu> New bug: #112489 in amarok (main) "Ratings system in Amarok flawed / one star should be customizable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112489
[01:51] <Jordan_U> should bugs in packages in the ubuntu-commercial repository be filed on launchpad?
[01:51] <Kmos> Jordan_U: i've reported already about opera 9.20
[01:51] <Kmos> Jordan_U: you can do it.. but there is no package for them
[01:51] <Kmos> you need to set the same for all
[01:52] <Kmos> bug 105859
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105859 in app-install-data-commercial "Opera 9.2 is out with many bug fixes" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105859
[01:52] <Jordan_U> Kmos, What do you mean "set the same for all" ?
[01:52] <Jordan_U> bug 112492
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112492 in Ubuntu "vmware-server install ( from Feisty commercial repository ) fails if you don't have an eth0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112492
[01:52] <Jordan_U> (mine)
[01:53] <Kmos> Jordan_U: use this app-install-data-commercial as the package
[01:55] <Kmos> Jordan_U: deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main
[01:55] <Kmos> you used this one right?
[01:55] <Jordan_U> Yes
[01:55] <Kmos> i changed the package in your bug report
[01:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112491 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "ubuntu edgy eft fails to discover some usb devices on some usb ports" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112491
[01:55] <Jordan_U> Kmos, So did I...
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112492 in app-install-data-commercial (main) "vmware-server install ( from Feisty commercial repository ) fails if you don't have an eth0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112492
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112493 in gpsd (universe) "GPS coordinates flash in xgps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112493
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112494 in gpsd (universe) "gpsd hotplug script broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112494
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112495 in totem (main) "can not play "rmvb" files. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112495
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112496 in scribus (main) "[apport]  scribus crashed with SIGSEGV in ScribusApp::DoFileClose()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112496
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112497 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV in QGArray::deleteData()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112497
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112498 in kstreamripper (universe) "When last stream on list has empty description, it won't be loaded (after program restart)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112498
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112499 in thunderbird (main) "crash on start" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112499
[03:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112500 in ppp (main) "ppp daemon dies and disconnects in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112500
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112501 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-gtk crashed with OSError in _command_output()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112501
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112502 in lm-sensors (main) "gkrellm can show / sensors can't show the hardware sensors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112502
[03:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112503 in ubiquity (main) "[apport]  ubiquity crashed with OSError in _execvpe()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112503
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112504 in gnome-network (universe) "gnome-network domain name is not keeping  after reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112504
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112505 in kdelibs (main) "crashed after accessing a newly mounted HDD. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112505
[03:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112506 in docbook (main) "Please sync docbook 4.5-3 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112506
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112507 in zapping (universe) "crashed on startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112507
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112509 in ktorrent (main) "[apport]  ktorrent crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112509
[04:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112508 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112508
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112510 in gambas (universe) "executables won't work " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112510
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112512 in up-imapproxy (universe) "imapproxy failed to upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112512
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112514 in xfdesktop4 (main) "Firefox Menu Font Size Is To Large" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112514
[05:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112515 in coreutils (main) "Problem with kill man page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112515
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112516 in casper (main) "More than 2 GB needed for xubuntu install due to lots of updates" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112516
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112517 in update-manager (main) "feisty fawn upgrade crashed during final cleanup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112517
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112518 in Ubuntu "Switch User freezes at blank screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112518
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112519 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Distribution Upgrade tool: self.progressbar of KDECdromProgressAdapter class in DistUpgradeViewKDE.py" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112519
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112520 in vino (main) "Can't change port vino runs on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112520
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112521 in hardinfo (universe) "[apport]  hardinfo crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112521
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112522 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112522
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112523 in xbindkeys-config (universe) "[apport]  xbindkeys-config crashed with SIGSEGV in middle_get_key()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112523
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112524 in gnome-terminal (main) "E: dpkg was interrupted, you..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112524
[05:43] <shirish> cjwatson: yo m8, you there?
[05:46] <shirish> I need help with https://launchpad.net/bugs/99303
[05:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99303 in pkgsel "goes from 24% to 80% & then fails at select & install software" [Undecided,Needs info]
[06:09] <rizza> hello
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112525 in Ubuntu "library misbehaviour in terminals" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112525
[06:16] <rizza> I need help with a bug in the net installer
[06:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112526 in thunderbird (main) "[apport]  mozilla-thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112526
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112527 in openoffice.org (main) "[apport]  soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112527
[07:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112528 in krename (universe) "[Gutsy Merge]  krename_3.0.14-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112528
[07:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112529 in texinfo (main) "[apport]  info crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112529
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112530 in rdiff-backup (main) "[apport]  rdiff-backup crashed with OSError in chmod()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112530
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112531 in ubiquity (main) "kubuntu update tool crashed when updating from edgy to feisty with DVD" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112531
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112532 in update-notifier (main) "[apport]  update-notifier crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112532
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112534 in Ubuntu "KMix does not respond to XF86AudioRaiseVolume" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112534
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112321 in php5 (main) "PHP 5.2.2 fixes several vulnerabilities" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112321
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112535 in Ubuntu "Alsa fails to detect my audio card" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112535
[09:27] <tuxcrafter> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2596034#post2596034
[09:27] <tuxcrafter> how do i debug such a problem|?
[09:35] <ubotu> New bug: #112536 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112536
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112537 in python2.5 (main) "Python 2.5 IDLE is in Japanese characters" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112537
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112538 in Ubuntu "control arrow keys broken in bash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112538
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112539 in samba (main) "segmentation fault in smbd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112539
[09:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112541 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution-2.10 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112541
[09:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112540 in sbackup (universe) "backup folder is inaccessible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112540
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112542 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV in Arts::Dispatcher::terminate()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112542
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112543 in archivemail (universe) "archivemail in fiesty does not work with python 2.5 but does work with python 2.4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112543
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112544 in evolution (main) "Click on "next" or "previous" email do not work well" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112544
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112545 in vlc (universe) "vlc crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112545
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #112546 in update-manager (main) "update managfer Could not calculate the upgrade to Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112546
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112548 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in free()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112548
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112549 in wine (universe) "entries not removed from 'Applications' menu on uninstall" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112549
[10:31] <ubotu> New bug: #112547 in reportbug (main) "merge reportbug 3.37 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112547
[10:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112551 in wengophone (universe) "[apport]  qtwengophone crashed with SIGSEGV in strncpy()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112551
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112552 in apt-mirror (universe) "Packages containing a tilde are deleted by clean.sh" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112552
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112553 in update-manager (main) "upgrade tool crashed (Edgy-->Feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112553
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112556 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in XPending()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112556
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112559 in firefox (main) "Mozilla Firefox's bug" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112559
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #112557 in beryl-core (universe) "[apport]  beryl crashed with SIGSEGV in XPending()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112557
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #112558 in gnome-panel (main) "the panel encountered a problem while loading some applets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112558
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112560 in mlmmj (universe) "Please merge mlmmj 1.2.11-8 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112560
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112561 in debsecan (universe) "[apport]  debsecan crashed with IOError in write()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112561
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112562 in kde-guidance (main) "[apport]  displayconfig-restore.py crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112562
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112563 in debconf (main) "[apport]  debconf-copydb crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112563
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112564 in system-config-printer (main) "[apport]  applet.py crashed with DBusException in __new__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112564
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112565 in keepassx (universe) "Readability problem with custom gtk themes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112565
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #112566 in bwm-ng (universe) "Please sync bwm-ng 0.6-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112566
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112567 in gnomesword (universe) "GnomeSword preferences dialogue crashes while executing automatix" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112567
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112568 in firefox (main) "Maximizing most applications gives a black window." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112568
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112569 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Thinkpad 600x hangs during boot with default kernel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112569
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112571 in arts (main) "[apport]  artsd crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112571
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112572 in gnome-osd (universe) "[MoM Sync]  please sync gnome-osd from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112572
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112573 in galago-daemon (universe) "Please merge galago-daemon 0.5.1-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112573
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112575 in gedit (main) "gedit does not save to a new file if other program changed the file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112575
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112576 in Ubuntu "KDEInit problem reported whilst installing some updates with the Adept Updater" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112576
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112577 in amarok (main) "[apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage() | It was indexing a 40GB smb mount folder over wifi. Some filenames have special characters." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112577
[12:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112578 in Ubuntu "Often enough applications crashed while trying to open them." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112578
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112579 in telepathy-stream-engine (universe) "[apport]  telepathy-stream-engine crashed with SIGSEGV in cricket::PhysicalSocketServer::Wait()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112579
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112580 in libgtksourceviewmm (universe) "Please sync libgtksourceviewmm 0.3.0-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112580
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112581 in cupsys (main) "include client.conf in /etc/cups" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112581
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112582 in gaim (main) "gaim 100% cpu (Gstreamer could not connect to esounddaemon)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112582
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112583 in 915resolution (universe) "horizontal line of pixel wrong on my screen with 915resolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112583
[12:45] <salty-horse> hi. I found a bug in the gnome interface and I'm not sure when to report it. When using any application (for example, nautilus) and using a hotkey to access the menu bar (for example alt+f for File) while the cursor is OUTSIDE of the window, it will turn into a "resize left" cursor
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112584 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Mounting UDF should be preferred over ISO9660" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112584
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112585 in Ubuntu "Screen refresh rate cannot be changed on Ubuntu 7.04 (x64)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112585
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #112586 in thuban (universe) "Gtk-WARNING message to console" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112586
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #112587 in firefox (main) "firefox crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112587
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112588 in openoffice.org (main) "Unable to have OpenOffice in Occitan whereas it's being translated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112588
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112589 in thuban (universe) "python-wxgtk dependancy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112589
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112590 in Ubuntu "no internet connection until I restart router" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112590
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112591 in gnu-smalltalk (universe) "[MoM Sync]  please sync gnu-smalltalk from debian unsable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112591
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112592 in xpad (universe) "Please upload: xpad merged" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112592
[01:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112593 in gpscorrelate (universe) "[MoM Sync]  please sync gpscorrelate from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112593
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112595 in texmaker (universe) "Spelling checker replaces words in the wrong place" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112595
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112596 in Ubuntu "New HP Laptop DV6248eu does not work with Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112596
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112597 in kdeaddons (main) "[apport]  orient.py crashed with ValueError in dump_IFD()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112597
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112598 in filezilla (universe) "[apport]  filezilla crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112598
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112599 in Ubuntu "Adding the kubuntu DVD as a repo is a disaster" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112599
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112600 in thunderbird (main) "i don't know - it was in time of starting an i sow only that the crasz loucher gives this message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112600
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #112601 in gossip-telepathy (universe) "Cannot connect to Jabber server" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112601
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #112602 in gcc-2.95 (universe) "I cant use my c compiler using a live cd.I dont know where it is." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112602
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112603 in aptitude (main) "aptitude visual mode marks many packages for deletion after upgrade to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112603
[02:51] <harpi> hello, i am using dapper and trying to compile libextractor but it gives me the same warning always       config.status: WARNING:  po/Makefile.in.in seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting      in other ubuntu channels they advised me not to sudo ./configure but i don't know what else to do. suggestions would be appreciated. is this a bug? google shows nothing or little on the subject.
[03:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112606 in audacity (universe) "Please merge audacity 1.3.2-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112606
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112607 in kdebase (main) "[apport]  kfontinst crashed with SIGSEGV in FT_Get_Postscript_Name()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112607
[03:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112608 in nexuiz (universe) "nexuiz can not be installed on Feisty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112608
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112609 in gs-esp (main) "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112609
[03:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112610 in Ubuntu "Short battery life in MacBook" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112610
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #112612 in grub (main) "Bad block /dev/sda" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112612
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112613 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112613
[04:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112614 in gnome-netstatus (main) "gnome-netstatus crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112614
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112615 in gambas (universe) "[apport]  gbx crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112615
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112617 in gs-esp (main) "Java Aplet crashes Mozilla and Konquerer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112617
[04:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112620 in xfsprogs (main) "[apport]  xfs_db crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112620
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112621 in sbackup (universe) "crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112621
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112618 in ogdi-dfsg (universe) "ogdi-dfsg FTBFS in gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112618
[04:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112622 in wv (main) "[apport]  wvWare crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112622
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112623 in chemtool (universe) "[MoM Sync]  please sync chemtool from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112623
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112624 in mplayer (multiverse) "MPlayer crashes with GLIBC error after upgrading to Feisty Fawn" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112624
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112625 in glade-3 (universe) "assistant template sized wrong" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112625
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112626 in tomcat5.5 (universe) "unable to install tomcat 5.5 on update ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112626
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #112627 in hwdb-client (main) "[apport]  hwdb-kde crashed with IndexError in sendData()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112627
[05:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112628 in amarok (main) "ipod is mounted on /media/IPOD and amarok cannot detect it. " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112628
[05:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112629 in Ubuntu "julian anastasov patches" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112629
[05:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112630 in gdal (universe) "Please sync gdal 1.4.1-4 (universe) frm Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112630
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112631 in openldap2.3 (main) "[apport]  package slapd failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112631
[05:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112632 in Ubuntu "running synaptic pacage manager then freezes     only thing done to computer is install a usb wireless internet reciever using ndiswrapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112632
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112633 in evince (main) "printing a fpdf document fails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112633
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112294 in j2se1.4-i586 (multiverse) "[apport]  javawsbin crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112294
[05:44] <slackwarelife> Have you problem with launchpad connection, it is very slow
[05:45] <ScottK> It's no slower than normal for me.
[05:47] <slackwarelife> ScottK: ok, but i wait a lot of time to having a answer (2'/3')
[05:48] <ScottK> Whatever it is, I don't think it's anything special wrong with LP.  It's normally pretty slow.
[05:50] <slackwarelife> ScottK: normaly i have a fast replay (1" max 2") when I search or when I browser, tody no :(
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #112635 in gnome-pilot (main) "gnome-pilot crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112635
[05:51] <slackwarelife> ScottK: but it is not importat, thanks
[05:51] <ScottK> Then I'd guess something with either your internet connection or somewhere in between as LP is normal for me.
[05:54] <slackwarelife> ScottK: I understand, the problem is only in beta.LP, thanks
[05:55] <ScottK> Ah.  The beta.
[05:55] <ScottK> If the beta is even slower, I don't even want to think about it.
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112634 in gnome-panel (main) "The screen settings in gnome are out of sync with xorg.conf" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112634
[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112636 in fast-user-switch-applet (universe) "sync fast-user-switch-applet 2.18.0-1 (universe) from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112636
[06:01] <ubotu> New bug: #112638 in kommando (universe) "kommando reverses "show desktop"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112638
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112639 in gaim (main) "<> characters doesn't appear in Gaim messages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112639
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #112640 in dvdauthor (universe) "[apport]  dvdauthor crashed with SIGSEGV in readdir64()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112640
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #112641 in lprof (universe) "[apport]  lprof crashed with SIGSEGV in cmsCloseProfile()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112641
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #112642 in Ubuntu "All Openoffice(GTK?) Save Dialogs are too small." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112642
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #112643 in gaim (main) "Gaim does not route through PPP" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112643
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112644 in xdrawchem (universe) "xdrawchem crashes when importing a structure i've searched in the internet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112644
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #112645 in flumotion (universe) "[apport]  flumotion-worker crashed with AttributeError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112645
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112646 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "Error attaching camera" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112646
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112647 in Ubuntu "system freezed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112647
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112649 in pychess (universe) "[apport]  pychess crashed with AttributeError in _move()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112649
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112651 in banshee (universe) "Banshee crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112651
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112653 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Slow boot, ATA CDROM errors" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112653
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112654 in xsane (main) "xsane crashes scanning with HP Scanjet 5300C" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112654
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112655 in xchat (universe) "xchat channel list can't show rooms with <5 people" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112655
[07:55] <XiXaQ> hello everyone. I'm trying to get a hold on a vmware image for feisty with vmware-tools installed. Can someone help?
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #112656 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic Package Manager does not install Eclipse properly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112656
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #112657 in hal (main) "hal-luks-setup-linux does not handle password containing the backslash charactesr" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112657
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #112658 in gs-esp (main) "[apport]  gs-esp crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112658
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112661 in libgksu1.2 (main) "Can't install libgksu1.2-0 " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112661
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112662 in hellanzb (universe) "[MoM Sync]  please sync hellanzb from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112662
[08:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112663 in openldap2.3 (main) "Community docs for OpenLDAPServer remove the rootdn from tree" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112663
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112659 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "suspend to ram won't work anymore after upgrading to feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112659
[08:29] <ubotu> New bug: #112666 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112666
[08:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112664 in xorg (main) "If xorg.conf is removed, Synaptics touchpad not detected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112664
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #112665 in gnome-panel (main) "/usr/share/gnome/gnome-panelrc fails to impact theme" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112665
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112667 in ipac-ng (universe) "[MoM Sync]  please sync ipac-ng from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112667
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #112668 in nicotine (universe) "[apport]  nicotine crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112668
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #112669 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112669
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112670 in serpentine (main) "Serpentine recognizes files based off of file extension" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112670
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112671 in openoffice.org (main) "crash openoffice resize pages after edit ole draw" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112671
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112672 in migration-assistant (main) "Install: Migration Assistant fails to unmount nested volumes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112672
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112674 in gftp (main) "[apport]  gftp-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_change_node_toggle_count()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112674
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #112675 in liferea (main) "Liferea segfault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112675
[09:21] <ubotu> New bug: #112676 in sun-java6 (multiverse) "sun-java6-bin fails to install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112676
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112677 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112677
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112678 in Ubuntu "[need-packaging]  Kradview" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112678
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112680 in Ubuntu "[need-packaging]  Aeskulap" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112680
[09:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112681 in kdelibs (main) "[apport]  kdeinit crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112681
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112682 in kde-systemsettings (main) "Kubuntu system settings applet uncomfortable for 1024*768 users" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112682
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112683 in Ubuntu "Feisty not detecting printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112683
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #112684 in f-spot (main) "F-Spot deletes temporary image files too early when sending mails" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112684
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #112685 in ktorrent (main) "[apport]  ktorrent crashed with SIGSEGV in dht::ParseRsp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112685
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #112686 in eclipse (universe) "Junit 4 does not work with Eclipse on Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112686
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112687 in wengophone (universe) "[apport]  qtwengophone crashed with SIGSEGV in std::find_if<boost::signals::detail::named_slot_map_iterator, boost::signals::detail::is_callable>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112687
[10:26] <ash211> is it possible for apport to automatically send crash reports to launchpad?
[10:26] <ash211> bgipe is wondering at bug 112450
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112450 in amarok "[apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage() (dup-of: 87462)" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112450
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 87462 in amarok "MASTER [apport]  amarokcollectionscanner crashed with SIGSEGV in QPixmap::convertFromImage()" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/87462
[10:32] <pochu> ash211: I don't think so. If it does, then it's a bug
[10:36] <ash211> pochu: thanks
[10:44] <pochu> ash211: anyway, pitti knows more about it (he's the developer)
[10:51] <Kmos> ash211: check /etc/default/apport
[10:53] <ash211> I think the user in that report was thinking that apport was automatically sending them, not that it should be disabled
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #112689 in kdebase (main) "[apport]  kicker crashed with SIGSEGV in QApplication::internalNotify()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112689
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #112690 in totem (main) "When playing a DVD movie there is sound but no video, after adding codec  was unable to play at all before codec." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112690
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112692 in rhythmbox (main) "Feisty: Rhythmbox visualizer plugin does not work with xserver-xorg-video-intel driver " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112692
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #112693 in Ubuntu "Cannot run desktop anymore" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112693
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112694 in tetex-base (main) "pdflatex is very slow " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112694
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112695 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 7.04 Realtek ALC883 HDA  sound works BUT microphone does not" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112695
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #112697 in Ubuntu "Xfce always starts up in second workspace" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112697
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112696 in Ubuntu "Feisty - ATI IXP150 sound - xmms/mplayer etc lockup / crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112696
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112698 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "DVB-T drivers and Webcam drivers incompatible" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112698
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #112699 in bluefish (universe) "Bad handling of SSH and other protocols for remote projects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112699
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #112700 in gedit (main) "Gedit opens file in a new tab ignoring command line params" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112700
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #112701 in Ubuntu "i810 video driver does not detect video modes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112701
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #112702 in Ubuntu "vmware-server : guest can't access server and vis-versa" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112702
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #112703 in tomboy (main) "tomboy sometimes starts with search dialog rather than as minimized applet" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112703
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #112704 in Ubuntu "When trying to shutdown computer says "halt", but dosen't shutdown." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112704
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #112705 in emerald (universe) "during changing themes [apport]  emerald crashed with SIGSEGV in strncpy()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112705
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #112706 in f-spot (main) "add support for finding dublicate pictures" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112706


 eickmeyer why is the default wallpaper the backup one?
 ok I think I realize what happened but oh well...
[14:38] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: What was that?
[16:06] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: So, @azbulutlu and I were voice-chatting, and considering you are talking about going to Kubuntu + Studio on 20.04 for daily use, and she's already using Kubuntu + Studio, and considering I have better knowledge about how seed files work, why don't we just pull the trigger for 20.10 and switch whole-hog from Xfce to Plasma. Thoughts?
 (#FocusOn2004LTSFirstTHough)
[17:06] <OvenWerks> ok
[17:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: most of that would end up being your work though.
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> @teward001 No problem in working on a little vision in the meantime.
[17:07] <Eickmeyer> Can't even work on it until after GG opens.
 true
 i have at least 6 things for Server once GG opens heh
 heh GG!  GetGud!
 *shot*
 yes i'm still not caffeinated enough
 Or... Good Game?
[17:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it may cause difficulties with up grades...
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> We'll just have to recommend clean installs. Lubuntu went through this two years ago.
[17:11] <OvenWerks> Studio went through it from gnome2 to xfce
 OvenWerks: Release Notes entry dictating that "Upgrades from 20.04 to 20.10 or later are not supported due to the DE change.  Therefore, you must Clean Install for 20.10 and later to upgrade from 20.04."
 and this is gong to be a case for Lubuntu right now too - 18.04 LXDE 20.04 LXQt ERRNOTSUPPORTED
 :P
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Growing pains.
[17:12] <Eickmeyer> Either way, it's nice to have people who have been there before to talk to about such moves.
[17:13] <Eickmeyer> We'll go through the same thing 2 years from now with 20.04 > 22.04.
[17:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: can we make sure the file to do the up grade does not work or just prints warning?
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'm not sure. That would be something the release team would have to work on with the software upgrader.
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> teward: Any advice on that? ^
[17:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I remember before even though the release notes said not to do the up grade lots of people tried anyway
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Then you just tell them "Per the release notes, that's not supported."
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> It might sound harsh, but that's reality.
[17:18] <Eickmeyer> Either way, if we're going to do it, 20.10's release cycle is the perfect time because that gives us four cycles to get 22.04 LTS real smooth.
[17:18] <OvenWerks> the problem being that the software updater puts up a button that says something like: A new release of ubuntu studio is available, Update now?"
[17:18] <OvenWerks> I agree
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: True, but not for LTS releases unless the user specifically enables upgrades to regular releases. Again, this is something we'd have to talk to the release team about since they deal with software-updater.
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> Also, Lubuntu has been there before very recently.
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: Are you even alive???
[17:20] <OvenWerks> it's early saturday morning ;)
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> It's past Noon his time and I haven't heard from him except on Telegram.
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> teward has a good pulse on Lubuntu as well.
[17:21] <OvenWerks> I need to try the "new" lubuntu too.
 yeah I regularly test Lubuntu
 in fact LXQt there made me spin LXQt on my Debian Unstable VM
 with tweaks :P
[17:24] <OvenWerks> I was more worried you wanted to split -controls... that would have been work... for me :)
[17:26] <OvenWerks> but I guess now we should base some of these things on Qt?
[17:32] <OvenWerks> I want to take some time to revisit https://github.com/ovenwerks/midikb and switch from jackd based to alsa based and I guess I may need to update https://github.com/ovenwerks/mcpdisp to keep it from bitrot
[17:33] <OvenWerks> Studio-controls needs to get up loaded (if Eickmeyer hasn't yet)
[17:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: ack on -controls.
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Additionally, I don't think we need to switch anything to Qt. Plasma's handling of GTK is pretty seamless now.
 Eickmeyer: I think we'd have to coordinate with the Release Team
 but keep in mind that the upgrade process for the upgrade checker in < 20.04 may not be specific enough per flavor
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> teward: In terms of software-updater?
 d-r-u for instance doesn't give a damn under the hood about the flavor only the release codename
[17:35] <OvenWerks> That is one of the things I like about plasma, It tries to make the applications run well rather than the desktop.
 Eickmeyer: you have to address it in the software updater app AND `do-release-upgrade` on the CLI
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Agreed. It's well-optimized and dosn't try to take-over the app.
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> teward: Ack. I won't bug the release team until after 20.04 releases, but it's good to keep in mind.
 probably should talk to them earlier like now before release
 because we dont want people to attempt updates and brick things
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I'm showing Controls in the archives is the latest?
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> Unless you had something to fix.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> -controls is at release... there is work on the tablets part on my machine
[17:38] <Eickmeyer> teward: Well, upgrading to 20.04 isn't the issue, so I'm confused. Upgrading FROM 20.04 would be the issue.
 durrr i'm tired :P
 you're correct :)
[17:38] <OvenWerks> I think he was refering to lubuntu
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: No, he's referring to Studio. It's just a slightly-less-caffinated verson of teward we're talking to.. :)
[17:39] <teward> ERR:NotEnoughCaffeine
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: In that case, there's nothing for me to upload.
[17:39]  * OvenWerks is in the same state
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> I'm on my second cup.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> my coffe "cup" (container) is a 16 ounce so I may be as well...
[17:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: In terms of the tablet stuff: Is this going to be more advanced than what Plasma carries?
[17:42] <OvenWerks> I guess I should check that Probably not right now...
[17:42] <OvenWerks> right so it may be that is not needed
[17:42] <Eickmeyer> That's kinda what I'm thinking, and what went through Eylul's head as well.
[17:43] <OvenWerks>  (except for people doing studio over a flavour that does)
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> Which is fair.
[17:44] <OvenWerks> the one thing I want to do is add a fix for tablets that are supported by the kernel but not by xsetwacom out of the box
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> That would be amazing.
[17:44] <Eickmeyer> So, +1 on that.
[17:44] <OvenWerks> I have filed a bug against the package that should install the file but have heard nothing back
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> Can you throw me the bug number? It might be that a bug needs to be filed upstream in Debian to get any movement.
[17:45] <OvenWerks> It would work by listing pad/stylus devices and the user can choose one and I can add a file to xstartup
[17:46] <OvenWerks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xf86-input-wacom/+bug/1857509
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Nope, not a Debian sync. The Ubuntu X-SWAT maintains that one.
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Although, the changelog is a DD (tjaalton)
[17:48] <OvenWerks> I was just going to grab the device ID and add a file like /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-studio.conf
[17:48] <Eickmeyer> Well, that would be a decent workaround.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> with a paragraph for each device the user has (some people have more than one
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> I just subscribed the maintainer to the bug. It could be they weren't paying any attention.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> The user would of course have to reboot after for x to pick it up
 (sorry to interrupt but this is the known installer issue right? https://mastodon.eus/@PorrurenGrabatokia/103901740021263131)
[18:17] <OvenWerks> that file should be a link normally added when the setup for the kernel is done (update-grub)
[18:27] <OvenWerks> so first suspision is not a full iso download or not a full transfer to the install media
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: They were downloading from /pending not /current.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> has this person run a media (cd) check from the boot commandline of the install media?
[18:28] <OvenWerks> ok
[18:29] <OvenWerks> I see lubuntu is also 64bit only.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> (/pending is always incomplete.)
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> yep,
[19:03] <teward> OvenWerks: Yes, Lubuntu is 64bit only now
[19:03] <teward> they discontinued 32bit after 18.04 I believe
[19:03] <teward> i forget when they did that though
[19:03] <OvenWerks> same as everyone
 yep
[19:03] <teward> no 32bit ISOs
[19:03] <teward> there's still some 32bit PACKAGES
[19:03] <teward> but
 yeah no 32bit ISOs anymore


[00:44] <airurando> night night #ubuntu-ie
[20:44] <airurando> evening
[20:47] <steampunkey> hi there
[20:47] <steampunkey> not here to talk about GNU/Linux
[20:47] <steampunkey> hope you won't mind going OT with me
[20:47] <steampunkey> i'm interested in the meaning of these lyrics: http://www.kinglaoghaire.com/site/lyrics/song_364.html
[20:47] <steampunkey> is it ironic?
[20:49] <steampunkey> what happened at "Erin's border"?
[20:51] <moylan> well ireland is an island and the only border of any significance is the one between north and south.  a lot has happened at that border.
[20:52] <steampunkey> i hoped for some insight rather than deduction, no offense ;-P
[20:53] <moylan> well it's a song so it's stuffed with methaphors that are a little vague.  sorry.
[20:54] <steampunkey> Perhaps I should mention that Wolfe Tones have preformed it for "50 Great Rebel Songs and Ballads"
[20:54] <steampunkey> maybe the Irish from the north would know, but #northernireland is invite only :-(
[20:55] <steampunkey> (make that two hashes: ##northernireland)
[21:14] <steampunkey> ehm what
[21:18] <airurando> what's confusing steampunkey?
[21:44] <steampunkey> the song. ;-)
[21:44] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:45] <steampunkey> i thought i reconnected, but it was just a topic switch
[21:47] <airurando> hi czajkowski
[21:48] <airurando> steampunkey I find that song confusing to.
[21:48] <steampunkey> heh
[21:48] <airurando> steampunkey where are you based?
[21:48] <steampunkey> A Catholic European country
[21:49] <steampunkey> Actually, you can see my IP. I'm from Croatia
[21:49] <moylan> sooooo not ireland :-D
[21:49] <steampunkey> anonymity fail
[21:49] <steampunkey> moylan: that'd be correct. I'm not an Ubuntu user either. Debian here.
[21:51] <airurando> steampunkey not sure what the best IRC channel would be to get a definitive answer to you Question.
[21:51] <czajkowski> steampunkey: try debian on oftc
[21:52] <steampunkey> czajkowski: O.O
[21:52] <airurando> steampunkey: moylan probably gave the best response possible from this channel.
[21:53] <moylan> the question was about irish song lyrics.  i'm a history buff and know my was around both the wolftones and irish history and it's ringing no specific bells.  give me 5 minutes and i'll google the bugger.
[21:53] <steampunkey> moylan: it's hard to even find the lyrics, let alone their meanings
[21:54] <steampunkey> [20:53] <steampunkey> moylan: it's hard to even find the lyrics, let alone their meanings
[21:54] <czajkowski> ok
[21:55] <czajkowski> thought it was a tech question hence my comment re debian
[21:55] <steampunkey> k
[22:06] <moylan> well i could find history for some of the wolf tones songs but not 'the rights of man' https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wolfe_Tones_discography
[22:06] <moylan> considering that the border is only 90 years old it is odd that there is no specific history in relation to such a new song.
[22:22] <paxcoder> moylan: your last sentence doesn't sound right
[22:23] <moylan> might be getting somewhere.  http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=5530#471631
[22:29] <airurando> must dash... night night all.
[22:39] <moylan> i can only think that many irish trad songs end up changing over time.  in 1798 there was no border so a reference in a song would make no sense while in 1968 when the wolf tones recorded their version it would.
[22:41] <paxcoder> *shrugs*
[22:41] <paxcoder> thanks for trying
[22:47] <moylan> still thinking on it.  the only division of note that caused strife in 1798 was that between protestant and catholic.  ironically most people forget that wolf tone was a protestant.
[22:58] <moylan> especially with the line 'with each communion'
[23:04] <paxcoder> moylan: i don't get the queen in it
[23:05] <paxcoder> makes it sounds like a loyalist song o.O
[23:09] <moylan> well the uk has only had 2 queens when it comes to ireland queen elizabeth i and queen elizabeth ii.  i think in this case the queen represents ireland.  especially with the reference to grainne


[13:44] <vish> apw: ogasawara: hi.. should Bug #503286 be sent upstream?
[13:45] <ubot3> Malone bug 503286 in linux "Bluetooth killswitch does not remember previous session state" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503286
[15:16] <NCommander> ericm-Zzzz, ping, what's the status on dove 2.6.32?
[15:16]  * NCommander would like to test a newer kernel ASAP to see if it helps with some of the thumb2 issues
[15:38] <cooloney> NCommander: i think ericm-Zzzz already put dove .32 kernel package some where
[15:38] <cooloney> NCommander: can you grab it and test on your side?
[15:38] <NCommander> cooloney, I have no idea where they might be
[15:38] <cooloney> NCommander: http://people.canonical.com/~ycmiao/dove-rebase/
[15:39] <cooloney> NCommander: please take a look at this, I will work close to your TZ this week, heh
[15:41] <cooloney> NCommander: i guess you got the email from Eric 'Status of the mvl-dove rebased patchset against <IP_ADDRESS>'
[15:41] <NCommander> cooloney, I'm still knee deep in my inbox, so I'll tell you when I get to that email :-)
[15:42] <cooloney> NCommander: got you, -:)), enjoy the new dove kernel.
[16:22] <ogasawara> vish: sorry for the delay, yes if you want to open an upstream bug report that'd be great
[16:24] <vish> ogasawara: np . sure... upstream for kernel bugs is bgo  ? i found this empty > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/kernel
[16:25] <ogasawara> vish: yah, bugzilla.kernel.org
[16:25] <ogasawara> vish: i'll fill up that wiki
[16:25] <vish> hmm.. k , another account i need to apply :(
[16:26] <vish> ;)
[16:33] <vish> ogasawara: done > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15047    what other information should i attach?
[16:33] <ubot3> bugzilla.kernel.org bug 15047 in Bluetooth "Bluetooth killswitch does not remember previous session state" [Normal,New]
[16:34] <vish> are all the apport data essential?
[16:39] <ogasawara> vish: not all the apport data is probably essential (like the alsa stuff isn't relevant)
[16:39] <ogasawara> vish: probably best to attach general stuff like lspci, dmesg etc.
[16:39] <vish> yeah , ok
[21:18] <doctormo> I'm trying to debug a problem with ipw2200 on a satelite m55, where can I got for some assistance?
[21:19] <doctormo> If it's here, then the problem is that the device will do a scan, but will not connect to anything and the commands time out.
[21:23] <doctormo> After that, the device is locked up, rmmod and modprobe produce errors and it's gone.
[21:52] <doctormo> Ah irqpoll=1 is the fix... although I only managed to find that on a debian forum.
[22:44] <Ng> would we expect 802.11n to work in the lucid kernel? (intel 5300)


[07:54] <DanaG> Do you know of any place that makes clear case-skin things?
[07:55] <DanaG> It'd be especially ideal if it'd end at the very edge of the art itself.
[07:55] <DanaG> And be almost-permanent, but removable without damaging the surface.
[08:18] <troy_s> DanaG: Look to a customizable option such as what is used in airbrushing circles -- Stretchfrisk is such an item.
[08:18] <DanaG> heh, starting typing 'stretch' in google box:
[08:18] <troy_s> DanaG: It is a plastic frisket that works well stretched across motorcycle helmets and other non flat surfaces.  Normally it is used to mask off areas for airbrushing, but you could probably use it as a temporary skin.
[08:19] <DanaG> top suggestion: stretch marks.
[08:19] <DanaG> It's an interesting insight into the population at large.
[08:19] <troy_s> DanaG: Stretchfrisk is a trademark name.
[08:19] <troy_s> DanaG: Basically, it is a stretchable frisket.
[08:19] <DanaG> Odd.. not google'able.
[08:50] <DanaG> Oh, suh-weet, skinit.com does transparent, it seems.
[09:03] <DanaG> Okay.... I can't tell.
[09:03] <DanaG> Anyway, I need to go to bed.
[09:03] <DanaG> Bedtime for me.
[09:03] <DanaG> Fri Apr 25 01:03:17 PDT 2008
[17:10] <psyke83> hey
[17:11] <psyke83> kwwii: damn, I know this is late, but I found out how to darken the background of the scrollbar with the Murrine engine. Too bad I didn't figure it out before release :(
[17:11] <psyke83> that's one aspect of the Murrine engine I didn't like (as it's hard to see the scrollbar from the background)
[18:16] <kwwii> psyke83: save that update and we can include it sometime in the future
[18:18] <psyke83> kwwii, sure
[18:29] <psyke83> kwwii, http://connogriofa.googlepages.com/Human-Murrine-Work_v0.1.tar.gz
[18:37] <kwwii> psyke83: cool, thanks


[19:18] <thor77> im running crazy... can someone give me a simple script to cd into a directory and then execute some command there that should run until "stop .." is run?
[21:32] <dehrenberg> my boot seems to fail with init exiting with EAGAIN. Is there a way to enable extra logging from upstart or something like that?
[21:58] <dehrenberg> never mind, got it, --debug


[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[06:54] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:59] <geser> Hi dholbach and ajmitch
[06:59] <dholbach> hi ajmitch, hi geser
[06:59] <ajmitch> hi geser
[09:13] <Whoopie> broder: Hi, do you have time to discuss bug 898003? What's the right way to get usbip updated?
[09:21] <tumbleweed> Whoopie: get it on the sponsorship queue
[09:21] <tumbleweed> !sponsorship
[09:22] <Whoopie> tumbleweed: yes, but we need to agree how to package usbip as it's in the kernel tree now. Just make a snapshot of the folder? What should be the version number, e.g. 3.2.0?
[09:22] <tumbleweed> yes, sounds sensible
[09:23] <tumbleweed> err, 3.2.0-0ubutnu1 obviously
[09:23] <tumbleweed> and assume I can spell Ubuntu
[09:24] <Whoopie> hehe
[09:27] <Whoopie> tumbleweed, broder: I subscribed the sponsors team. I'm idling here if you have any questions/remarks.
[09:28] <tumbleweed> Whoopie: the current sponsorship turnaround time is a week or so, so hopefully broder doesn't neglect you :)
[09:29] <tumbleweed> are there significant changes in the new version?
[09:30] <Whoopie> usbip_bind_driver binary was merged with the usbip binary. And the command syntax changed. That's all I can see from user perspective.
[09:30] <Whoopie> tumbleweed: and btw, I'm good in prodding, so broder has no chance. :-D
[09:31] <tumbleweed> he does seem rather busy atm, though
[09:32] <tumbleweed> those changes sound significant enough to need a feature freeze exception at this point, but also likely something that'll be easily approved (I don't see any reverse dependencies)
[09:32] <tumbleweed> !ffe
[09:33] <Whoopie> it "should" be approved as the current usbip package doesn't work at all with the current kernel modules.
[09:33] <tumbleweed> ah, then don't bother :)
[10:03] <Whoopie> tumbleweed: just found a version number in usbip's configure.ac (https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commitdiff;h=0aee58894551d7a9992f79d77d89f5846eb5e938)
[10:03] <Whoopie> Should I use this version number then?
[10:10] <tumbleweed> Whoopie: yeah, probably a better choice. And it's still less than 3.2.0, so when this does eventually come from the kernel, that can use a kernel version without causing any harm
[13:53] <dholbach> thanks ScottK for reassigning bug 978671 - I originally meant to mark it 'fix committed', but seem to have missed that status :)
[13:55] <ScottK> dholbach: No problem.
[13:55] <dholbach> ScottK, is release team activity higher than in past releases?
[13:55] <ScottK> I don't think so.
[13:56] <ScottK> No metrics though.
[13:56] <dholbach> sure, I was more interested in gut feeling than pie charts ;-)
[13:56] <dholbach> cool
[15:23] <ahasenack> hi, quick initscript question that http://refspecs.linuxbase.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/iniscrptact.html didn't answer me
[15:23] <ahasenack> if a service isn't running and I issue "/etc/init.d/<service> reload", should it fail?
[15:25] <ahasenack> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit also didn't help
[15:27] <ahasenack> /etc/init.d/skeleton has a sample do_reload() function that always returns 0
[16:10] <jcfp> ahasenack: you could argue that the expected result of a reload is for the service to be active with the latest config loaded, along the lines of a restart action on an inactive service
[18:50] <matttbe> Hello,
[18:50] <matttbe> Currently, Alacarte (a menu editor for menus made with libgnome-menu) recommends gnome-panel (Gnome Classic session) and exo-utils (XFCE session) packages but Alacarte can be used with other sessions: e.g. Cairo-Dock (but I'm sure there is also other applications) also uses libgnome-menu in order to have a "Gnome-Menu-like" and we can use Cairo-Dock without Gnome/XFCE Panel. Alacarte can be used to edit this menu but currently if we
[18:50] <matttbe> install Alacarte on Ubuntu, Gnome-Panel and the Gnome Classic session will be installed...
[18:50] <matttbe> A solution is to no longer recommend these packages but we can add them as suggestions. Do you think it's a good solution?
[18:50] <matttbe> This is what I said on the bug #975299
[18:50] <matttbe> A bzr branch has been linked to this bug report.


[02:22] <barry> smoser, harlowja well, mocker is gone.  py27 tests all pass.  low hanging py34 fixes pushed, but there are still lots of test failures, and oauth still exists.  i'm done for the night.  will try to return to it tomorrow, though i have some other things to do in the middle of the day.  g'nite and enjoy!


[09:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, I saw your post. I did take 2 days off work in the end.
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> So all set for this week.
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, Thanks for your feedback about ubuntu-mate-welcome.
[09:15] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, I've put a new release together. Would you be kind enough to action it for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-welcome/+bug/1478323
[11:56] <teward> can someone on the SRU team review/accept https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1314740 into proposed so it can be tested?  It's awaiting acceptance, and is a fairly major bug since the init script can fail to find the pidfile information in quite a lot of cases...
[14:02] <sil2100> Hello release team! I'll have to disable the rc-proposed images in s-i and also possibly the importer itself for short periods of time
[19:43] <balloons> infinity or slangasek, any thoughts on why wubi.exe is still on the images?
[19:46] <infinity> balloons: Because we hate ourselves and our users.  I'm pretty sure there was a better reason, but I can't think of it right now.
[19:50] <slangasek> I thought it had to do with wubi.exe being the autorun interface for stuff other than actually installing in wubi loopback mode
[20:06] <infinity> slangasek: That sounds about right.
[20:12] <balloons> :-p I seem to remember something similar. But it's still scary to see


[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[09:34] <CarlosRonceros> Hello everybody... I meant to write to Laura Czajkowski about Ubuntu on Voluntary Community Organisations (VCO), I am currently undergoing a research course on Community Empowerment and I am trying to find ways to introduce UBUNTU to small organisations... unfortunately I have to produce a report for the course in a couple of weeks but never mind the Research pack has been design and I will use it in the futu
[09:34] <CarlosRonceros> re to conduct a better research and give it a bit of more proper time. I will like to ask Laura if you have any data, information or any links that could show the benefits and cost saving on implementing UBUNTU in a organisation. Thanks!
[09:35] <czajkowski> CarlosRonceros: have you looked at the wiki page and linked to the blog
[09:35] <czajkowski> all of the case studies are on there
[09:40] <CarlosRonceros> I have only seen your blog! honestly I have been investigating a lot around LASA and they are all MS focus... I did find once a nice link to ODF format and actual figures of savings (http://www.odfalliance.org/resources.php) but unfortunately the Site has gone down... could you send me a link please?
[09:42] <CarlosRonceros> I am quite interested in Open Source and UBUNTU ...  I use Ubuntu .... I am taking a course on CiviCRM too... all this towards implementing solutions for SME in the future ...
[09:43] <CarlosRonceros> I will love to get more involve on Ubuntu-NGO too... just need a little bit of guidance.
[09:45] <czajkowski> CarlosRonceros: have you looked at the ngo blog
[09:45] <czajkowski> all the links are in the topic
[09:46] <CarlosRonceros> is this ubuntungo.wordpress.com?
[09:47] <czajkowski> yes
[09:49] <CarlosRonceros> Thank you very much Laura... if I have any more questions is it fine to come back to you?
[09:49] <czajkowski> or just ask in here
[09:49] <czajkowski> will try and keep an eye on the channel
[09:50] <CarlosRonceros> OK thanks... and I guess I could find inforamtion on how to get involve with Ubuntu-ngo in the Blog!
[09:51] <czajkowski> CarlosRonceros: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ngo join the team and then the ml and post
[09:52] <CarlosRonceros> Thanks for all your help!
[09:55] <czajkowski> np


[00:00] <bigjools> why do we have canonical-written code that isn't hosted in LP?
[00:01] <davecheney> bigjools: which code ?
[00:02] <bigjools> mgo
[00:03] <davecheney> bigjools: https://launchpad.net/mgo
[00:03] <davecheney> it is
[00:03] <davecheney> but gustavo is using a 'vanity url'
[00:03] <bigjools> ah ok
[00:03] <bigjools> thanks
[00:03] <niemeyer> bigjools: mgo is not Canonical written, by the way
[00:03] <niemeyer> bigjools: it is Gustavo written
[00:03] <bigjools> I'd change that purely from the PoV of getting lTAB to work in the shell :)
[00:04] <bigjools> niemeyer: under Canonical time?
[00:04] <niemeyer> bigjools: under Gustavo time
[00:04]  * davecheney butts out
[00:04] <niemeyer> Its creation predates even Canonical's adoption in Go, so there's little to be said
[00:04] <niemeyer> s/in Go/of Go/
[00:54] <wallyworld> thumper: have you ever had a bzr pointless merge error?
[01:04] <thumper> yes
[01:05] <thumper> wallyworld: I'm off to walk the dog now
[01:05] <thumper> bbl
[01:05] <wallyworld> thumper: ok, can you ping me when you get back
[01:05] <wallyworld> WARNING  Merging https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/goose/null-project-description into https://code.launchpad.net/~go-bot/goose/trunk would be pointless
[01:05] <wallyworld> i'm not sure why the merge fails
[01:06] <wallyworld> the mp shows a nice diff etc
[01:29] <thumper> wallyworld: interesting, haven't had exactly that before
[01:29] <thumper> wallyworld: try merging trunk into null-project-description first
[01:29] <thumper> wallyworld: also, try 'bzr missing --mine ' from the null-project
[01:29] <wallyworld> thumper: ok. u had done that prior to proposing i'd swear but i'll try again
[01:30] <wallyworld> thumper: i've commented on https://codereview.appspot.com/10447045/, perhaps you could do the same
[01:30]  * thumper looks
[01:45] <wallyworld> thumper: so, no revs to merge in from trunk, and bzr missing shows what i would expect https://pastebin.canonical.com/93338/
[01:47] <thumper> wallyworld: ok, I have no idea
[01:47] <wallyworld> np
[01:47] <wallyworld> i'll bug john latert
[01:48] <wallyworld> thumper: i'd like another quick chat about constraints when you have a moment
[01:48] <thumper> wallyworld: sure, let me go make a drink and I'll be right back
[01:48] <wallyworld> kk
[01:53] <thumper> got a hangout?
[01:53] <wallyworld> i'll make one
[01:54] <wallyworld> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/8868e66b07fa02bdc903be4601200d470dae9ee3
[04:53]  * thumper bbl for more fwereade chats :)
[05:51] <rogpeppe> mornin' all
[05:56] <jam> morning rogpeppe, you seem up early
[05:56] <rogpeppe> jam: i wanna get stuff done before i go away on thurs
[06:09] <wallyworld> jam: i have to take my son to the dr but do you know why i get a bzr pointless merge error trying to get my bracnh into trunk?
[06:09] <wallyworld> WARNING  Merging https://code.launchpad.net/~wallyworld/goose/null-project-description into https://code.launchpad.net/~go-bot/goose/trunk would be pointless
[06:09] <wallyworld> i get the above in the tarmac log
[06:09] <wallyworld> the mp diff looks fine
[06:09] <wallyworld> bzr missing looks fine - shows the 2 revs that i have committed
[06:10] <wallyworld> tim doesn't know what's wrong
[06:10] <wallyworld> maybe you do?
[06:10] <wallyworld> i'll check in when i get back
[06:11] <jam> wallyworld: because goose successfully merged and committed your change, but failed to push it back to Launchpad
[06:11] <jam> so its local branch has merged your changes.
[06:12] <jam> wallyworld: I just pushed it out. I don't specifically know why it would have gotten into this situation.
[06:13] <rogpeppe> jam: i have some outstanding reviews, BTW, which it would be great to get moving; in particular fwereade has verbally ok'd this; i need another review and i'd appreciate your input. https://codereview.appspot.com/10259049/
[06:16] <bigjools> hi.  We need to generate an iso9660 from the user data that the Azure provider needs. We can shell out, or invoke some C, or .... anything better you can think of?
[06:20] <jam> bigjools: the recommendation that seems to come from the lxc work is that you should shell out
[06:20] <bigjools> jam: ok cheers.
[07:08] <rogpeppe> bigjools: would it be that hard to write a little package that generates an iso9660 image? the format doesn't look that abstruse, at first glance anyway.
[07:09] <bigjools> rogpeppe: I'd really rather not reinvent the wheel
[07:11] <rogpeppe> bigjools: i'm slightly concerned about juju acquiring many external dependencies. is there something that can produce an iso9660 image installed by default in ubuntu?
[07:11] <bigjools> yes
[07:12] <bigjools> what's the problem with external dependencies?
[07:14] <rogpeppe> bigjools: they might not always be available on platforms we want juju to run on.
[07:14] <bigjools> ok
[07:15] <bigjools> the one I am looking at is genisoimage
[07:16] <bigjools> ah it gets installed by ubuntu-desktop
[07:20] <bigjools> rogpeppe: I think we'll shell out for now (we're short on time) but the motivated can easily replace it with a native piece of code
[07:21] <bigjools> at least, it's good to show the rest of the code works before spending the time writing this
[07:21] <rogpeppe> bigjools: that seems reasonable. you could make a package for it anyway, designed to be reimplemented at some future point.
[07:22] <bigjools> rogpeppe: yes, that would be good
[07:22] <bigjools> gives a nice clean break
[07:26] <TheMue> morning
[08:33] <wallyworld> fwereade: would you be free for a quick chat?
[08:37] <fwereade> wallyworld, sure, start a hangout, with you in a sec
[08:39] <wallyworld> fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/8868e66b07fa02bdc903be4601200d470dae9ee3
[09:46] <thumper> jam: hello there
[09:47] <thumper> jam: landing issue because I tried to add a new dependency
[09:47] <thumper> jam: launchpad.net/golxc
[09:47] <thumper> mgz: morning
[09:48] <thumper> jam: oh, just saw the emails, seems like you are on it
[09:51] <mgz> hey thumper
[09:51] <thumper> mgz: hey, have you managed to hand off the api stuff yet?
[09:53] <mgz> thumper: yeah... +- one annyoing branch that's ready to land
[10:04] <jam> thumper: I installed the new dependency, still fai
[10:04] <jam> fails
[10:04] <jam> # launchpad.net/juju-core/container/lxc container/lxc/instance.go:49: undefined: instance.Metadata
[10:04] <thumper> oh ffs
[10:04] <thumper> that;s right
[10:04] <thumper> wallyworld: removed it again
[10:04] <thumper> I'll have to fix it tomorrow
[10:04] <thumper> jam: but thanks
[10:05] <jam> thumper: np. Poke me if you need updated golxc/etc.
[10:05] <thumper> ok, ta
[10:05] <wallyworld> thumper: i did tell you :-)
[10:08] <rogpeppe> mgz: is that branch really ready to land now? i'm blocked on it
[10:09] <mgz> rogpeppe: really :)
[10:11] <rogpeppe> mgz: i don't see anything different from yesterday (assuming we're both talking about https://codereview.appspot.com/10439043)
[10:17] <mgz> pushing now-ish
[10:18] <jam> rogpeppe: so the reason thumper went with another package name was so that you could do: import . "launchpad.net/juju-core/testing/checkers" is there a reason you prefer not to use '.' ?
[10:18] <jam> (the idea is to make it act the same as gocheck checkers)
[10:19] <rogpeppe> jam: yeah, i really don't think we should do any more importing to .
[10:19] <rogpeppe> jam: having one package imported from . is bad enough
[10:20] <rogpeppe> jam: and i don't think the saved typing is a good enough justification
[10:20] <jam> rogpeppe: I'd rather be consistent, so we should probably have that discussion on the list. thumper's assertion at least was without 'import .' there isn't really a benefit of 'testing.IsTrue' over Equals, true)
[10:20] <jam> rogpeppe: I do think it makes the code 'read' better.
[10:20] <jam> c.Assert(err, Satisfies, errors.IsNotFoundError) without the extra "checkers." in there.
[10:21] <rogpeppe> jam: we're introducing pollution to the local name space. there's a reason Go doesn't do that all the time
[10:21] <rogpeppe> jam: yes, i understand that point
[10:21] <jam> rogpeppe: so at least my argument is: either (a) put them in 'testing' and import it as a module or (b) put them in checkers and import them as '.'
[10:22] <rogpeppe> jam: i hadn't realised that was the only reason for putting the checkers in a new package
[10:23] <rogpeppe> jam: in which case i'd put them all in testing
[10:24] <rogpeppe> jam: there is another possible reason for putting them in a new package, which is that testing has lots of dependencies, where checkers has almost none.
[10:24] <mgz> rogpeppe: 's up
[10:24] <rogpeppe> mgz: ta
[10:25] <mgz> I think william might have wanted something different on the inital-event handling, but I didn't understand where he wanted the change, and just landing this seems... like a desired thing
[10:29] <jam> mgz: for the test, I think if we move NotifyWatcherC somewhere we can use it, then you can just NotifyWatcherC(resource).AssertOneChange()
[10:30] <mgz> yup, though I got the impression he wanted the actual logic, not the test, to change? I wasn't completely clear.
[10:30] <rogpeppe> jam: surely reading from a channel with a timeout is not something we *need* to factor out
[10:30] <rogpeppe> jam: we do it all over the place
[10:31] <jam> mgz: "then do some basic verification of the watcher's state with something like NotifyWatcherC"
[10:31] <mgz> rogpeppe: the current code, for instance, does not check that there aren't further events
[10:31] <jam> rogpeppe: I think NotifyWatcherC is intended to become something more than just reading off a channel.
[10:31] <rogpeppe> mgz: that's true, but we aren't testing the watcher here
[10:31] <mgz> helpers are as much about making sure everyone gets the code right as saving typing
[10:31] <rogpeppe> mgz: we're testing that the watcher is there and watching the right thing
[10:31] <rogpeppe> mgz: your test tests the former but not actually the latter
[10:32] <rogpeppe> mgz: to be honest, i think the client test should test that and kill two birds with one stone
[10:32] <mgz> I agree there's some question over what should be covered in the client tests rather than here
[10:33] <rogpeppe> mgz: originally i *only* did client tests, reasoning that they cover almost exactly the same ground
[10:33] <rogpeppe> mgz: but since the advent of bulk-for-everything (and the lack of a client interface to that), server-side-only tests are necessary
[10:33] <jam> mgz: testing that the side effect happened is very unit-y vs integration-y, and since we don't have a client-side thing yet...
[10:34] <jam> rogpeppe: while integration tests can cover everything unit-tests do, they tend to be overbroad and trigger to many failures when something low-level changes, vs a unit test that tends to be more precise. (I'm personally in favor of having both)
[10:35] <rogpeppe> jam: i don't really see the interposing the API server makes it that much more of an integration test
[10:35] <rogpeppe> jam: we're still calling all the way down to mongo
[10:35] <jam> rogpeppe: more piecs == more integration
[10:35] <jam> pieces
[10:36] <jam> I don't see how that is hard to see.
[10:36] <jam> testing-per-layer is a good thing to do IMO
[10:36] <rogpeppe> jam: i'm more interested in test coverage
[10:36] <rogpeppe> jam: and keeping tests from taking hours
[10:37] <rogpeppe> jam: and i dislike having a lot of seriously overlapping test code
[10:37] <rogpeppe> jam: because it wastes time and energy
[10:39] <rogpeppe> jam: i do see your point about the failures being harder to diagnose though
[10:39] <jam> rogpeppe: easier to diagnose failures often save *lots* of debugging time. Which in the lifetime of a project can easily dominate the overall cost.
[10:40] <jam> rogpeppe: I agree spending huge amounts of runtime testing the same codepath is a bit of a waste.
[10:40] <jam> I personally am in favor of layer testing, and a small number of integration tests.
[10:40] <jam> So you don't have to look at all the edge cases at integration time
[10:41] <jam> and just cover things that fail because of the combination, and general "does it work" tests.
[10:41] <TheMue> fwereade: ping
[10:41] <rogpeppe> jam: in this case, i tend to see the server type + the rpc package as one "layer"
[10:42] <rogpeppe> jam: and that nothing other than the rpc package will ever talk to the server types
[10:42] <mgz> so, I have a friend who might be interested in helping with the containerisation work
[10:42] <rogpeppe> jam: and the overhead of talking through that is fairly minimal
[10:43] <mgz> thumper, have we got any reasonably seperate parts that someone could have a go at?
[10:43] <jam> rogpeppe: except anytime you have an RPC you *really* want to test them in isolation, so you don't run into the "client 1.11 tests all pass, and 1.10 tests all pass, but 1.11 can't talk to 1.10 because we weren't asserting what the conversation actually was"
[10:44] <TheMue> jam: thx for review
[10:45] <rogpeppe> jam: that's an interesting point; i think we need both.
[10:45] <TheMue> jam: I came about chmod the dir because it is created in tests externally. this also can happen later
[10:46] <rogpeppe> jam: i'm not entirely sure of the best way to do the compatibility checks.
[10:46] <TheMue> jam: that's why I correct it during the initial writing ;)
[10:48] <rogpeppe> mgz: you have a review
[10:49] <jam> rogpeppe: I agree we need both
[10:50] <rogpeppe> jam: i think we could have automated tests for rpc message compatibility, but version compatibility involves much more than just the format of the rpc messages
[10:53] <frankban> fwereade, anyone else: could you please review  https://codereview.appspot.com/10497043 ? Thanks!
[10:53] <rogpeppe> frankban: looking
[10:53] <frankban> thanks
[10:55] <fwereade> frankban, I'll take a look after lunch
[10:55] <fwereade> TheMue, pong, very quickly
[10:55] <frankban> fwereade: great thank you
[10:57] <fwereade> mgz, rogpeppe, jam: I had liked rogpeppe's(?) original model in which the Watch call returns only when the guaranteed initial event has been read off the watcher, so the client-side watcher can hand that straight over to the out chan on creation, which seems kinda nice
[10:57] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ah, good catch
[10:58] <fwereade> mgz, rogpeppe, jam: ofc this is a degenerate case, there's no actual data to send, but for consistency's sake we should still be consuming the initial event before we hand over over as a resource to be Watch()ed
[10:58] <rogpeppe> mgz: yeah, it should do that
[10:58] <mgz> fwereade: okay, that's the statement from the review I wasn't clear on
[10:58] <fwereade> mgz, Next()ed, rather
[10:58] <mgz> so, the Watch call needs to pull from the channel, then the test needs to assert there are no further events
[10:59] <fwereade> mgz, yeah, do an AssertNoChange, tweak the machine, do an AssertOneChange
[10:59] <rogpeppe> mgz: yes to the former; for the latter, i'd change something in the Machine, Sync, and verify you get a change
[10:59] <fwereade> rogpeppe, I think the NotifyWatcherC gives quite a good vocabulary for those tests
[11:00] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i don't think it's necessary to AssertNoChange
[11:00] <rogpeppe> fwereade: we're not testing the actual watcher here
[11:00] <rogpeppe> fwereade: just that it exists and is attached to the right thing
[11:00] <TheMue> fwereade: oh, a quick pong? so we should talk about auto-sync later
[11:00] <fwereade> rogpeppe, how else do we verify the original event was read? we're testing the SUT by reference to the known and tested-elsewhere characteristics of the watcher
[11:01] <rogpeppe> fwereade: hmm, good point
[11:03] <fwereade> TheMue, ok, can we maybe talk about it just before kanban? or are you blocked? ...I never double-checked your english, sorry
[11:03] <fwereade> TheMue, would you link me that CL quickly please?
[11:04] <mgz> fwereade: so, I still don't know *where* exactly you want that initial event pulled off
[11:04] <TheMue> fwereade: we can talk before kanban, yes
[11:05] <fwereade> mgz, the Watch call should create the watcher, read its initial event, register it as a resource and return its resource id
[11:05] <TheMue> fwereade: review is https://codereview.appspot.com/10441044/
[11:05] <mgz> which one though, the MachinerAPI Watch call, or the Machine Watch call, or newEntityWatcher...
[11:05] <fwereade> mgz, MachinerAPI
[11:06] <mgz> okay.
[11:07] <fwereade> mgz, this is what we're currently implementing, in terms of the watchers that already exist and have this somewhat convenient initial-event model, which we want to take advantage of in the api
[11:07] <mgz> ...I thinmk I'll do this in a new branch
[11:07] <mgz> because it really wants the test helpers
[11:08] <fwereade> mgz, ok, sgtm
[11:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i have about two other branches blocked on mgz's branch BTW, so i'd very much like something to go in
[11:09] <rogpeppe> fwereade: soon
[11:09] <mgz> landing the current, then doing that change
[11:30] <rogpeppe> fwereade, frankban: here's an interesting question: if someone has a service with minUnits=5, then destroys a unit, should the new unit be created when the old unit has gone away entirely, or when it starts to die?
[11:32] <rogpeppe> davecheney: hiya
[11:44] <rogpeppe> lunch
[11:56] <frankban> rogpeppe: my understanding is that MinimumUnits expresses the concept of "minimum amount of units that should be alive". If that's correct, it seems sane to me to react right when one unit starts to die.
[11:59] <jam> mramm: I saw you show up for a second. I just got back from the restroom
[12:09] <rogpeppe> mgz: i think you need to re-approve your branch
[12:09] <rogpeppe> mgz: it died with one of them "bad MAC" errors
[12:10] <mgz> rogpeppe: do you know about those?
[12:10] <mgz> first time I've seen it, will resubmitting help?
[12:10] <rogpeppe> mgz: yeah, it's intermittent
[12:10] <rogpeppe> mgz: i thought that was the problem that jam fixed
[12:11] <jam> mgz, rogpeppe: I think this is a different error. This is using system mongo instead of the tarball mongo
[12:11] <jam> I'll try to fix it quicky.
[12:13] <jam> rogpeppe, mgz: I'm resubmitting now.
[12:14] <mgz> jam: thanks!
[12:23] <jam> mgz: when I update the config that the tarmac charm uses it rewrites crontab, which means I have to manually go fix it up, and I forgot to set the PATH
[12:24] <mgz> urgh
[13:09] <TheMue> clear
[13:16] <jam> mgz, rogpeppe: Looks like my fix worked.
[13:17] <rogpeppe> jam: cool
[13:17] <jam> (uninstalled the system mongo which the charm also installs, fix up the PATH for the test suite.)
[13:17] <jam> I'm actually pretty impressed that there is only 1 failing test
[13:17] <jam> (well 2, but it looks like 1 fails to tear down so 2 notices the setup isn't clean)
[13:56] <Makyo> gary_poster, mramm - is today the cross-team meeting today? I have something on my calendar, but it looks old.
[13:57] <mramm> Makyo: it's thursdays now
[13:57] <Makyo> mramm, Thanks.  Same time?
[13:58] <Makyo> mramm, actually, I won't have the hangout; can you invite me?
[13:59] <gary_poster> Makyo, sorry, I might have misunderstood what you said you wanted last Friday. cross-team is half hour after kanban time
[13:59] <gary_poster> Makyo, I'll delete the Tuesday juju core kanban appt for you?
[13:59] <Makyo> gary_poster, That's what I meant, I just had the old event on my board for today.
[13:59] <Makyo> gary_poster, I think I beat you to it :)
[14:00] <gary_poster> :-) you declined, I deleted
[14:00] <Makyo> Ah, okay.
[16:15] <rogpeppe> a branch to review, if anyone fancies it: https://codereview.appspot.com/10494043
[16:18] <rogpeppe> frankban: your merge proposal seems to be corrupted; could you re-propose, please? https://codereview.appspot.com/10497043
[16:20] <frankban> rogpeppe: done
[16:21] <rogpeppe> frankban: ta
[16:21] <ackk> hi, I'm hitting an error deploying with juju-core on openstack: instances goes into ERROR state with "ProcessExecutionError". I tried to remove the unit and destroy the service, but it all seems stuck
[16:23] <mgz_> ackk: that sounds pretty solidly like an issue with nova, not juju
[16:23] <ackk> mgz_, can you force the destroy of the service/unit in juju?
[16:23] <mgz_> just `juju destroy-environment`, and manually `nova delete` if needed
[16:24] <mgz_> you can use terminate-machine for one machine, but starting from scratch seems wiser
[16:25] <ackk> mgz_, yeah I tried that, it doesn't work because the machine is still associated to the unit (which has life: dying)
[16:25] <mgz_> right, you just need to wipe if things get that screwed
[16:25] <rogpeppe> frankban: you've got a review
[16:26] <frankban> rogpeppe: thanks
[16:26] <ackk> mgz_, I see. thanks
[16:36] <dpb1> To get the unit tests to pass, is there a reference ~/.juju/environments.yaml file that i need to have?
[16:38] <dpb1> I'm trying to follow the "Testing" section from the "CONTRIBUTING" file, but what is written there is not working.
[16:42] <rogpeppe> i have to go a bit early today
[16:42] <rogpeppe> g'night all
[16:45] <hazmat> fwereade, in your nomenclature LKP = ?
[16:45] <mgz_> dpb1: do you mean the live tests? you don't need environments.yaml for the unit tests
[16:48] <dpb1> mgz_: I'm running just make check from the juju-core checkout.  I installed mongodb (obvious error) the errors I'm getting now are not as obvious.  I can paste in one at a time, but I'm wondering if there is more than what the CONTRIBUTING file states.
[16:49] <dpb1> mgz_: I checked out juju core with go get -v -u launchpad.net/juju-core/...
[16:51] <dpb1> mgz_: I just found the README as well.  I'm missing some things, let me check back, thanks
[16:51] <mgz_> dpb1: feel free to pastebin anything if you get stuck
[17:05] <dpb1> mgz_: for starters, I'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5799084/  (cstack2 is an environment from my ~/.juju/environments.yaml file, which is why I asked my original question the way I did).
[17:17] <mgz_> that's probably just bad isolation in one test...
[17:18] <mgz_> dpb1: try running with JUJU_HOME=/tmp or something
[17:19] <dpb1> mgz_: ok, I have tons of failures like these, will try now.  Hope that will be it
[17:24] <dpb1> mgz_:  you were close.  apparently some tests don't isolate against JUJU_ENV (which I had set).  All good now
[17:43] <dpb1> lbox is throwing an error about not being about diff branches when I submit a proposal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5799185/  -- what am I missing?
[18:10] <andreas__> hso I have a unit in pending state, and nova list shows the instance is in ERROR. It never launched. Any idea how to recover without destroying the environment?
[18:11] <andreas__> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5799285/
[18:12] <andreas__> it's related to #1187959
[18:12] <_mup_> Bug #1187959: juju does not detect instance launch error, waits forever? <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187959>
[18:14] <andreas__> ok, a combination of juju destroy-service and destroy-unit allowed me to "terminate" that machine
[18:20] <andreas__> ...except terminate-machine doesn't work
[18:20] <andreas__> does nothing
[18:48] <hazmat> maybe i misunderstanding something.. when does a service in state 'dying' get garbage collected?
[19:04] <ahasenack> hazmat: I don't think it does
[19:04] <ahasenack> hazmat: or I haven't waited long enough
[21:12] <thumper> morning
[21:37] <thumper> poke fwereade
[21:38] <thumper> hazmat: ping
[21:42] <hazmat> thumper, pong
[21:43] <thumper> hazmat: what was the dependency tool you found that caused you to drop the requirements.txt work for juju-core?
[21:44] <hazmat> thumper, none, the use case for a commit or ci test runner was fulfilled i thought
[21:45] <thumper> hmm... not really
[21:45] <thumper> not in a reproducable way
[21:53] <hazmat> thumper, why's is that.. it puts all deps at a known revision based on req.txt or gets head?
[21:53] <thumper> head
[21:53] <thumper> AFAIK
[21:54] <thumper> I thought, and I may be wrong here, that we just have tarmac doing the landings for us
[21:54] <thumper> not that there is any special revno checking there
[21:54] <hazmat> thumper, a frontend script/make blows away the tree between runs
[21:56] <hazmat> thumper, go get -u should still pull/update to trunk afaik, but blowing away the tree is simple as well
[21:57] <hazmat> thumper, there's a bunch of other build tools, one other i might have mentioned is https://github.com/mozilla-services/heka-build
[21:59] <thumper> ok, I may take a look
[22:04] <hazmat> thumper, g+?
[22:04] <thumper> hazmat: sure
[23:38] <thumper> wallyworld_: you know how at the end of last week I said your watcher was returning dupes...
[23:38] <thumper> wallyworld_: well, I was wrong
[23:38] <thumper> wallyworld_: my code was bad
[23:38] <wallyworld_> \o/
[23:39] <thumper> I'm just trying to work out how to write a test for it
[23:39] <wallyworld_> my code would never have any bugs :-P
[23:41] <wallyworld_> thumper: talked to martin last night. he's across what we need to do. i asked him to send an email to us summarising the steps to address the main use case (deploy into container on new instance) as well as the next use case (mysql and wordpress in separate containers on an instance)
[23:41]  * thumper nods
[23:41] <wallyworld_> there's something easy we can do initially. it might get complicated later
[23:42] <wallyworld_> but that can wait
[23:42] <wallyworld_> lxc.net is an easy thing to get inter-container networking on the same machine
[23:42] <wallyworld_> and we can bridge to get the first use case going
[23:43] <wallyworld_> he already has some work in progress towards the goals so that's good
[23:56] <thumper> wallyworld_: provisioner_test, TestProvisioningDoesNotOccurForContainers
[23:56] <thumper> wallyworld_: why do you have cleanup code at the end of the test?
[23:56] <thumper> wallyworld_: doesn't the test framework clean that up?
[23:58]  * wallyworld_ looks


[21:50] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: quick review? https://github.com/juju/description/pull/23
[22:05] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: hey!
[22:05] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: sorry, omw now, issues with coffe machine
[22:05] <babbageclunk> covfefe machine
[23:18] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: juju/description lgtm
[23:33] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ta!
[23:33] <wallyworld> np
[23:34] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ah, I forgot no mergebot - could you merge it too?
[23:34] <wallyworld> ok
[23:34] <babbageclunk> Thanks!
[23:35] <wallyworld> done
[23:35] <babbageclunk> you rock