[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137161 in tsclient (main) "[Gutsy]  tsclient vnc password dialog isn't accessible with compiz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137161
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137162 in python-launchpad-bugs (main) "[gutsy]  python-launchpad-bugs fails to upgrade to 0.2.1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137162
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137163 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel Bug with QuickTime Camera" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137163
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137164 in ubuntu "Selecting Playing audio CD in context menu doesn't work (with Kscd and Amarok)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137164
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137166 in debian-installer (main) "lvm config outputs vg freespace in 10**6, inputs in 2**20" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137166
[12:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137168 in hplip (main) "hplip needs dependency on python-qt3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137168
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137169 in ubuntu "Evolution Mail Junk folder will not clear with "Expunge"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137169
[01:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137171 in debian-installer (main) "re-install with md(raid) in same place uses old raid data" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137171
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137175 in debian-installer (main) "Installer "Forgets" Partition FS info on enter/exit RAID or LVM Config" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137175
[03:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137179 in glibc (main) "2.6.1-1ubuntu3 makes apps crash with Bus error" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137179
[03:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137180 in ubuntu "gutsy can not mount root filesystem (device or resource busy)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137180
[03:43] <ubotu> New bug: #137182 in restricted-manager (restricted) "bcm 4306 can't install driver through restricted device manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137182
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137186 in firefox (main) "can't undo fullscreen command (F12)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137186
[04:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137187 in linda (main) "autopkgtest gutsy linda: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137187
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137188 in gdm (main) "Server name '0' not found; using standard server" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137188
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137190 in ubuntu "Ideal packages management system\installed.Everyone can dream, right?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137190
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137191 in update-manager (main) "package update-manager 1:0.69 failed to install/upgrade: failed to fstat previous diversions file" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137191
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137192 in gdm (main) "system frozen at login screen, 2 gdm instances " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137192
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137193 in hal (main) "PCI 802.11b card not detected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137193
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137194 in displayconfig-gtk (universe) "displayconfig-gtk crashes on Test" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137194
[06:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137195 in hal (main) "USB scanner" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137195
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137196 in ubuntu "X fatal crash on Feisty live CD boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137196
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #137197 in ekiga (main) "ekiga crash with Logitech Camera (gspca module) on Aser Aspire 5560" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137197
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137200 in gnome-terminal (main) "E:il pacchetto virtualbox deve essere reinstallato ma non si riesce a trovare un archivio per esso" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137200
[07:00] <DJ_Stefan0> I don't know if this is the right channel for my case, but I installed kubuntu 7.04 on my PS3 using the alternate CD, i booted using /boot/vmlinux initrd=/boot/initrd.img root=/dev/sda1 from kboot and the USB ports completely turn off when i reach the KDM login screen :|
[07:01] <DJ_Stefan0> perhaps if i use the sh shell from kboot i can change some of the configuration files so the USB power cant be turned off ?
[07:02] <DJ_Stefan0> because when i installed gentoo beta3 it didnt have any of these problems, but its kernel is out of date and my local rsync servers are too slow :p
[07:03] <DJ_Stefan0> any ideas?
[07:04] <DJ_Stefan0> now they just randomly started working again :| .. lag?
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137201 in smbc (universe) "smbc crashes on feisty x86_64 with segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137201
[07:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137202 in ubuntu "try booting with the noapic" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137202
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137205 in vim-latexsuite (universe) "[gutsy]  latexsuite doesn't load in vim after install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137205
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137206 in ubuntu "[gutsty]  access to shutdown windows from tray green men button icon freeze Gnome" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137206
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137207 in dolphin (main) "No extract command on pop-up menu in Dolphin" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137207
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137203 in gedit (main) "search adds slash to escaped strings" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137203
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137204 in ubuntu "kdm crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137204
[07:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137208 in ubuntu "KPDF crashes opening a PDF (Konqueror too if opened from it)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137208
[08:26] <kagou> morning
[08:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137209 in firefox (main) "Menus don't work properly during and after full screen mode. " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137209
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137210 in python2.5 (main) "Python : help('modules') fails. Package Togl missing on Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137210
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137211 in iso-codes (main) "please sync with Debians iso-codes 1.4-1" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137211
[09:19] <dholbach> good morning
[09:19] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[09:20] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[09:21] <dholbach> is eric butler in here?
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137221 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "No icons for attachment" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137221
[10:11] <dholbach> thekorn: does apport-retrace work for you now?
[10:12] <seb128> ohhhhh
[10:12] <ubotu> New bug: #137222 in adept (main) "Adept description field is wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137222
[10:13] <seb128> the retracers are still running, good :)
[10:13] <thekorn> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36286/
[10:13] <thekorn> can you please try this patch,
[10:22] <dholbach> thekorn: it says that it can't find CoreDump Package ExecutablePath in the crash file
[10:22] <dholbach> let's see which attachment of the bug it's downloading
[10:23] <thekorn> that's ok!
[10:23] <thekorn> the problem is that this testcase is already retraced
[10:23] <thekorn> so apport-retracer removed Coredump.gz
[10:23] <dholbach> the _usr_bin_kblueplugd.1000.crash file on the bug has those fields
[10:23] <dholbach> also if you download that file and run apport-retracer on it, it doesn't find those values in it either
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #137224 in d4x (universe) "[FTBFS]  d4x" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137224
[10:33] <thekorn> dholbach: hmm, how do I run apport-retracer on an .crash file?
[10:34] <BugMaN> hi dholbach! :)
[10:36] <dholbach> apport-retrace <file>
[10:36] <dholbach> hey BugMaN
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137226 in minicom (main) "autopkgtest gutsy minicom: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137226
[10:46] <dholbach> seb128: do you have an example crash file where you know apport-retrace works right on?
[10:46] <dholbach> seb128: we get "report file does not contain required fields: CoreDump Package ExecutablePath" for a lot of them
[10:46] <dholbach> seb128: thekorn says that it also happens with 0.76.1 from feisty
[10:47] <seb128> dholbach: no, I don't use apport-retrace, I usually unpack and attach gdb to the CoreDump to get a backtrace
[10:47] <seb128> dholbach: do you have an example of one not working correctly?
[10:47] <dholbach> get the crash file from 135893
[10:48] <dholbach> it always gives "report file does not contain required fields: CoreDump Package ExecutablePath"
[10:48] <dholbach> even if you run it manually on the crash file
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137227 in ubuntu "Gnome Dictionary can't find localhost dictionary" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137227
[10:57] <seb128> dholbach: that's a python crash, there is nothing to retrace
[10:58] <dholbach> do you have a valid one?
[10:58] <dholbach> with all those three fields?
[10:59] <dholbach> mine seem to all lack either CoreDump or Package
[11:00] <dholbach> most of them lack Package
[11:01] <thekorn> i will try bug 136508
[11:01] <ubotu> Bug 136508 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/136508 is private
[11:02] <seb128> dholbach: wait
[11:02] <seb128> dholbach: not really likely in fact, the retracer is doing its job correctly nowadays, you need to be faster than it ;)
[11:03] <seb128> otherwise it deletes the CoreDump after retracing
[11:03] <dholbach> i was checking my local crash files
[11:08] <seb128> dholbach: right, apport-retrace seems to be borked
[11:09] <seb128> and I didn't apply the upgrades from yesterday
[11:09] <dholbach> ok
[11:09] <dholbach> then it wasn't due to the py-lp-bugs change
[11:09] <dholbach> all is fine then
[11:10] <dholbach> thekorn: seems we did what we could
[11:10] <dholbach> and it still does download attachments
[11:10] <dholbach> so we're all set
[11:10] <seb128> k, now it works
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137228 in desktop-file-utils (main) "Use ooo-calc instead of gnumeric" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137228
[11:11] <dholbach> seb128: what works now? what did you do?
[11:12] <seb128> I don't how to convert the dump to a formatted one
[11:12] <seb128> dholbach: well, the dump is something fast
[11:12] <seb128> when you "touch crash" you get the apport dialog
[11:12] <dholbach> right
[11:12] <seb128> when you click to send it it's doing the formatting work (the progress bar jump while it's working)
[11:12] <seb128> after that step you can retrace it
[11:13] <seb128> I just don't know what command to run manually to do it
[11:13] <seb128> I just touch-ed a crash
[11:13] <seb128> selected to send it
[11:13] <seb128> cancel
[11:13] <seb128> and retrace works on the .crash now
[11:13] <dholbach> nice
[11:13] <dholbach> thekorn: so we didn't b0rk it :)
[11:13] <dholbach> I'll try that too
[11:14] <thekorn> dholbach: but there is an other bad typo in launchpad.py :(
[11:15] <dholbach> thekorn: ok?
[11:15] <dholbach> what is it?
[11:15] <thekorn> let me check, give me some minutes
[11:15] <dholbach> ok
[11:15] <thekorn> we somehow always get login-errors
[11:15] <thekorn> from lp
[11:15] <dholbach> is that on private bugs?
[11:15] <thekorn> yup
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137229 in happydigger (universe) "[FTBFS]  happydigger" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137229
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137230 in gaim (main) "gaim internet messenger is not coming in ubuntu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137230
[11:16] <thekorn> argh, Bug.authentication and BugList.auhentication
[11:16] <dholbach> hum, can't find that in the apport source
[11:16] <thekorn> and not authentification
[11:16] <dholbach> or is that in py-lp-bugs?
[11:18] <dholbach> neither in py-lp-bugs nor bughelper
[11:18] <thekorn> no in apport/chrash_impl/launchpad.py
[11:19] <thekorn> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36293/ is the diff
[11:20] <dholbach> ok thanks - applied
[11:20] <thekorn> thanks a lot
[11:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137231 in vim-syntax-gtk (universe) "vim-addon-manager should be a dependency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137231
[11:26] <ubotu> New bug: #137232 in gdebi (main) "Tell user how to start the installed application" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137232
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137233 in apache2 (main) "ProxyBadHeader defaults to StartBody, but should default to IsError" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137233
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137235 in lilo-installer (main) "Kubuntu 7.10 Tribe 5 does not allow LILO-install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137235
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137236 in ion3-mod-xinerama (main) "[FTBFS]  ion3-mod-xinerama" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137236
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137238 in ubuntu "feisty crashes on "changer d'utilisateur"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137238
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137239 in ubuntu "compiz and metacity should behave the same way" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137239
[12:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137240 in tikiwiki (universe) "tikiwiki installation failure" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137240
[12:15] <dholbach> http://daniel.holba.ch/sponsoring/ works again
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137241 in evince (main) "Evince printing in reverse sheet order + multipage yields strange ordering" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137241
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137243 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Bibus doesn't start" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137243
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137244 in less (main) "less-pager does not update when window is resized" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137244
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137245 in myspell-lv (main) "autopkgtest gutsy myspell-lv: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137245
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137246 in gnome-panel (main) "Tell user how to start the newly installed application" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137246
[12:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137248 in myspell-sl (main) "autopkgtest gutsy myspell-sl: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137248
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137247 in pam-keyring (universe) "libpam-keyring broken on autologins" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137247
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137249 in dir2ogg (universe) "dir2ogg dependency faad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137249
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137250 in timeoutd (universe) "timeoutd not effective in Gnome" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137250
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137251 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  "the hardware clock does not contain a valid time", so fsck is run at boot" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137251
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137252 in ubuntu "Generic kernel does not scale down CPU frequency" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137252
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137253 in music-applet (universe) "Tooltip over time is empty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137253
[01:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137254 in ubuntu-meta (main) "No boot-time logs exists at this time in Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137254
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137255 in ipe (universe) "[FTBFS]  ipe" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137255
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137258 in ubuntu "xdvi alternative is broken in gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137258
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137260 in language-support-he (main) "autopkgtest gutsy language-support-he amd64: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137260
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137259 in jack-rack (universe) "[FTBFS]  jack-rack" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137259
[02:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137261 in gutenprint (main) "epson R265 an R270 are not supported by gutsy " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137261
[02:09] <cowbud>  /join #Python
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137263 in auctex (main) "auctex is uninstallable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137263
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137262 in kaconnect (universe) "[FTBFS]  kaconnect" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137262
[02:33] <davmor2> does anyone run seahorse?
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137264 in ubuntu "Alternate installer: selection of timezone" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137264
[02:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137265 in runit-services (universe) "package runit-services 0.3.0 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137265
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137267 in ubuntu "Alternate installer: entering mountpoints" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137267
[02:46] <Nafallo> yes
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137269 in kazehakase (universe) "[FTBFS]  kazehakase" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137269
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137271 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Package request for CouchDB" [Wishlist,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137271
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137272 in ubuntu "Alternate install-cd 7.04: offline-installation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137272
[02:56] <davmor2> Nafallo: was that yes to me?
[03:00] <Nafallo> yes :-)
[03:01] <davmor2> if so can you confirm a bug in it for me please.  go into edit preferences
[03:02] <davmor2> select the keyserver tab and hi-light automatically retrieve keys from keyserver
[03:02] <davmor2> close the prefs then look at it again and see if it has stayed hi-lighted?
[03:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137273 in ubuntu "Installer: option to selective install of locale-data" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137273
[03:08] <Nafallo> hi-light?
[03:09] <Nafallo> ticked?
[03:21] <davmor2> Nafallo: yes and then is it still ticked when you check again
[03:22] <Nafallo> no
[03:23] <Nafallo> so confirmed.
[03:23] <Nafallo> bugnr?
[03:23] <davmor2> thanks
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #137274 in gnome-commander (universe) "Gnome-commander: loss of graphical informaiton" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137274
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #137276 in gdm (main) "gdmthemetester : eval: 1: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137276
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #137277 in kreetingkard (universe) "[FTBFS]  kreetingkard" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137277
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137279 in nicotine (universe) ""Abort & Delete" button mislabeled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137279
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137280 in ldtp (universe) "[FTBFS]  ldtp" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137280
[03:59] <bddebian> Boo
[04:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137281 in seahorse (universe) "Seahorse's Automatically retrieve keys doesn't stay ticked" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137281
[04:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137282 in konserve (universe) "[FTBFS]  konserve" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137282
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137284 in muse-el (universe) "Please merge muse-el 3.11-2ubuntu1 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137284
[04:13] <ScottK> bddebian: Beep
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya ScottK
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137286 in language-pack-kde-ru (main) "language-pack-kde-ru BROKEN TRANSLATION" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137286
[04:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137287 in lock-keys-applet (universe) "[FTBFS]  lock-keys-applet" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137287
[04:17] <ScottK> Hey bd.
[04:17] <ScottK> Ergh.
[04:17] <ScottK> heya bddebian
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137288 in openmash (universe) "[FTBFS]  openmash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137288
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137290 in ubuntu "dist-upgrade feisty to gutsy fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137290
[04:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137291 in gdpc (universe) "Please sync gdpc (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137291
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137292 in kdegraphics (main) "kghostview crashes on zooming pdf" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137292
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137293 in sbackup (universe) "emty dialog when restoring with sbackup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137293
[05:18] <thekorn> dholbach: I created a new py-lp-bugs python2.4 branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~thekorn/python-launchpad-bugs/main.py2.4 ,
[05:18] <thekorn> will do some testing tomorrow
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137296 in debian-installer (main) "LAMP installation crashes" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137296
[05:26] <dholbach> thekorn: you ROCK
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137070 in bind (universe) "BIND version 8 generates cryptographically weak DNS query identifiers" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137070
[05:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137178 in ubuntu "Ubuntu crashes when performing multiple tasks" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137178
[05:44] <ubotu> New bug: #137297 in easytag (universe) "easytag ignores proxy settings in manual search" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137297
[05:50] <dholbach> thekorn: bughelper-server is currently running
[05:51] <dholbach> thekorn: looks good - only one crash up until now ;-)
[05:51] <dholbach> I'll point http://daniel.holba.ch/bugs to it, once it's done
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137302 in nautilus-sendto (main) "Pidgin plugin missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137302
[06:10] <bdmurray> hggdh: No, there isn't an evolution team.
[06:10] <hggdh> bdmurray: k. is there an interest in creating one?
[06:12] <bdmurray> hggdh: I think if there were a couple of people interested in focusing on Evolution bugs it would be worthwhile to create a team.
[06:12] <hggdh> k. So far, to my knowledge, its just me, so lets wait a bit more. Thank you.
[06:13] <bdmurray> hggdh: I think working with upstream closely, by forwarding bugs and finding out what information they need to better debug issues would be valuable
[06:17] <hggdh> bdmurray:, yes, I have been doing it for a while, on my spare time. Given the amount of Evo bugs, this is really necessary
[06:18] <thekorn> dholbach: one crash? - would be nice if you could poste the bughelper-server.log
[06:19] <bdmurray> hggdh: Perhaps a debugging procedures page for Evolution be helpful for others then?
[06:19] <thekorn> and the traceback
[06:19] <dholbach> thekorn: I'll do that once it's done
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #136694 in ubuntu "switch user does not remove access to previous user" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136694
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #136703 in ubuntu "my laptop stop when i open various programs" [Wishlist,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136703
[06:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137304 in openjade (main) "autopkgtest gutsy openjade: erroneous package!" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137304
[06:27] <dholbach> have a nice evening
[06:27] <dholbach> thekorn: don't work too long :)
[06:27] <thekorn> haha!
[06:27] <thekorn> almost sleeping :)
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #136743 in ubuntu "Home folder permissions" [Wishlist,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136743
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137306 in dpkg (main) "[gutsy]  update-alternatives --quiet problem" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137306
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137307 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Xgl very slow, even when running only metacity (Intel i810)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137307
[06:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137308 in file-roller (main) "Closing archive in /tmp deletes any opened files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137308
[06:49] <hggdh> bdmurray: good idea -- I will start on one. Now a more prosaic question: where should such a page be?
[06:50] <bdmurray> hggdh: It should be probably use the same namespace as the ones at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[06:51] <bdmurray> hggdh: so DebuggingEvolution seems best
[06:51] <hggdh> bdmurray: k. WIll look at it, then. Thanks.
[06:51] <bdmurray> hggdh: Thank you, I'd be happy to look at it / review it if you want
[06:52] <hggdh> bdmurray: and I happily accept your offer ;-)
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #136602 in ubuntu "No sound at all on Targa traveller 1577X2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136602
[07:06] <zurn> hi there
[07:07] <zurn> anyone have a crc-error system halted problem on boot after the latest kernel upgrade?
[07:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137311 in kdebase (main) "kcontrol-modules are broken" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137311
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137312 in gdb (main) "gdb on ppc often remains stuck in call___do_global_ctors_aux" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137312
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137313 in alpine (universe) "[gutsy]  alpine displays times in 12h format in the message list" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137313
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137315 in openoffice.org (main) "Formulas will not re-size in Open Office Writer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137315
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137314 in e2fsprogs (main) "blkid shows outdated / wrong UUID " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137314
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #137316 in ubuntu "dvipdfm with mangled Type 1 font" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137316
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137018 in ubuntu "ala ma kota" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137018
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137317 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Kernel 2.6.20-16 Update corrupting packages in Feisty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137317
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137318 in ubuntu "python-launchpad-bugs unmet dependencies" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137318
[07:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137319 in ubuntu "Wrong modules after Aug 31 2007 updates" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137319
[07:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137320 in iscsitarget (universe) "iscsitarget install fails" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137320
[07:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137322 in gnome-icon-theme (main) "Logoff icon is misleading" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137322
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #137324 in update-manager (main) "Upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 failed when writing to /var/cache/apt/archives" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137324
[08:03] <ScottK> bdmurray: I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates and find that the sru-verification team needs to bless SRUs and that you are one of the two members.  If you would please have a look at Bug #118659.  There are multiple reports of the fix being good.
[08:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118659 in pycurl "PyCurl 7.15.5 not working on AMD64" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118659
[08:06] <bdmurray> ScottK: I have the hardware to verify it but I could use a test case.
[08:08] <ScottK> bdmurray: Looking at bug comments 14/15 it seems that the program referenced could be run with/without the patch.  I don't have AMD64 myself.
[08:12] <bdmurray> ScottK: Okay, I see how that might work but it seems that step 4 of the Propose section of StableReleaseUpdates wasn't really followed
[08:13] <ScottK> bdmurray: I can see that.  I'm a lot more familiar with the Universe process where anyone can test it.
[08:14] <ScottK> I just noticed it because I get all the bugmail for Python packages and it seemed like it was pretty reasonable.
[08:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137327 in ubuntu "Suspend inoperative from Login screen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137327
[08:20] <ScottK> bdmurray: Can I comment in the bug what needs to be done before it's eligible for verification?
[08:21] <bdmurray> ScottK: That would be great.  I briefly looked at that preferredsearch thing and it looked like it would take a fair bit to setup
[08:22] <ScottK> So I should ask for a reduced test case?
[08:22] <bdmurray> From what the original reporter said it sound like a simple script would create a good test case.
[08:23] <ScottK> OK.  I'll ask for something then.
[08:24] <bdmurray> I'm happy to do the verification I just can't spend a lot of time on it.
[08:25] <ScottK> Understand.
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137325 in ubuntu "test bug, please ignore" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137325
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137329 in openoffice.org (main) "Problem with hyperlinks in Open office" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137329
[08:31] <ScottK> bdmurray: Commented.  We'll see what that produces.
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137330 in ubuntu "[UVFe Sync Request]  wireshark 0.99.6rel-3" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137330
[08:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137331 in ubuntu "X mouse cursor missing in Gutsy Tribe 5" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137331
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #130108 in compiz-fusion-plugins-main (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in animGetOptVal()" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130108
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137332 in service-discovery-applet (universe) "[Gutsy]  Service-Discovery-Applet shows no services found" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137332
[08:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137333 in ubuntu "installation crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137333
[08:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137334 in gambas (universe) "gambas crashes on x86_64 system" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137334
[08:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137337 in krb5 (main) "Please sync krb5 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137337
[08:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137336 in eog (main) "     " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137336
[08:56] <seisen> When a bug is a feature request what do you mark it as? Do you mark it invalid or what?
[08:57] <ScottK> Wishlist
[08:57] <ScottK> If it's insane, Invalid is fine.
[08:59] <seisen> I don't have that option, then what do I do.
[08:59] <seisen> It will let me change it to invalid, confirmed, fix released but no wishlist
[09:00] <ScottK> As for someone in ubuntu-qa to mark it wishlist if you think it's a reasonable request.  Yes, wishlist is a priority, not a status.
[09:00] <ScottK> As/Ask
[09:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137338 in ubiquity (main) "installation crash" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137338
[09:00] <seisen> OK thanks
[09:06] <seisen> How do I get a hold of Ubuntu-qa team?
[09:06] <ScottK> Mostly by asking for someone in ubuntu-qa for something right here.
[09:07] <ScottK> Note: I'm in ubuntu-qa so ask your question.
[09:08] <lakin> Hey guys, where is that link on how to build ubuntu packages with debug symbols?
[09:09] <lakin> Specifically, firefox?
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137339 in ubuntu "They must include BlueProximity in repositories" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137339
[09:13] <seisen> Ok thanks for letting me know for future reference and what exactly do you guys consider insane so I am not bother you guys all the time.
[09:14] <ScottK> It's a judgement call.
[09:14] <ScottK> Please rewrite package X so it comes with a pony is invalid.
[09:15] <ubotu> New bug: #137340 in base-installer (main) "Gutsy tribe-5 installer doesn't suggest a suitable kernel for Via C3 CPU - but there is one" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137340
[09:16] <albert23> I have tested bug 3988 and in my opinion it can be closed as fix-released. Could somebody check if my response is sufficient to close this bug?
[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3988 in partimage "Partimage-server crashes (need Debian merge?)" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3988
[09:17] <seisen> What if somebody wanted an option to install LILO instead of Grub when they are doing a fresh install to me that sounds legitimate?
[09:18] <seisen> So would that be a good reason to bother you guys
[09:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137341 in kdebase (main) "HP LaserJet 1000, 1018 and 1020 are not listed in KDE Print Manager" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137341
[09:25] <bdmurray> albert23: yes, that looks good to me
[09:27] <albert23> bdmurray: Thanks, I will close it. Should I say something about backports, like the wiki bugs-responses says?
[09:28] <bdmurray> Yes, that seems appropriate.
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137342 in kdebase (main) "'Open Driver' dialog of 'Add Printer' wizard should indicate the expected extension (ppd)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137342
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137343 in ubuntu "feisty life cd does not create bootrecord" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137343
[09:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137344 in gnome-panel (main) "can't log into hd where ubuntu was installed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137344
[09:31] <albert23> It depends on a number of libraries with minimum versions. Is there a way I can/should check if backporting to Edgy/Dapper is possible?
[09:32] <ScottK> bdmurray: I would like to discuss your backports standard answer as in many cases it's wrong.
[09:33] <ScottK> Backports is not for fixing SRU worthy or security issues.  Problems like that bug (which was a crash bug) should be fixed via SRU.
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #137345 in kdebase (main) "'Open Driver' dialog of 'Add Printer' wizard should accept .ppd.gz" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137345
[09:40] <bdmurray> ScottK: I understand your point regarding this being SRU worthy.  Looking at the bug there actually seem to be conflicting reports about whether or not it is broken in Dapper.
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #137346 in xserver-xorg-video-psb (main) "xorg psb driver requires newer EXA" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137346
[09:41] <ScottK> Right.  But IIRC the standard answer says suggest backports.
[09:41] <ScottK> I'm more worried about the standard answer than this particular case.
[09:42] <ScottK> Because then I get the joy of won't fixing someone's backports request because it really should be an SRU...
[09:44] <bdmurray> So to make sure we are on the same page - the "Fixed in Development release" stock reply should have a subsection about SRU worthy bugs and if not SRU worthy then mention backports?
[09:45] <ScottK> Yes.
[09:45] <ScottK> Backport sis for features and minor bugs.
[09:45] <ScottK> sis/is
[09:46] <ScottK> That was pretty clear (as I understand it) when the Tech Board chartered -backports and made them 'official'.
[09:49] <bdmurray> I'm not sure that stock reply is "mine", but I'll get it sorted out.
[09:53] <ScottK> bdmurray: THanks.
[09:54] <albert23> ScottK bdmurray: I am afraid the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU does not say how a user can request the SRU
[09:55] <ScottK> albert23: The first step is to nominate the bug for a particular release.
[09:56] <albert23> OK, will do that
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137349 in memprof (main) "Memprtoof does not work - upstream fix avialible" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137349
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137350 in youtube-dl (universe) "Please sync youtube-dl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137350
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #137352 in ubuntu "indexers keep processor usage at 100%" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137352
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137353 in update-manager (main) "update-manager does not report version information" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137353
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #137354 in missingpy (universe) "sparc build fails with "[test-ghc6]  Bus error"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137354
[10:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137356 in ubuntu "7.10 life disk - gparted" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137356
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137357 in kdebase (main) "Konqueror does not open archives itself any more" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137357
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #137359 in sound-juicer (main) "Songs with accented letters in title are not ripped" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137359
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137364 in ubuntu "Synaptic upgrade all fails due to dependency problems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137364
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137365 in schroedinger (universe) "Please sync schroedinger (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137365
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #137366 in banshee (universe) "Please sync banshee (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137366
[11:07] <ionstorm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902 should be criticle since belkin is used by thousands, if not millions of people
[11:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed]
[11:07] <ionstorm> critical*
[11:07] <ionstorm> i havnt been able to even plug in my card since tribe 1
[11:07] <ionstorm> thousands will have the same issue
[11:08] <ionstorm> its "high" define high
[11:09] <ScottK> Also that bug was filed on 2006-03-14 and so this is not a new problem.
[11:10] <ScottK> We've done three releases since then, so I don't think it's viewed as critical.
[11:14] <ionstorm> well then thousands of people wont even be able to boot ubuntu who have that device
[11:19] <bdmurray> ionstorm: which particular device is that?
[11:19] <ionstorm> bdmurray, its a usb wifi card
[11:19] <ionstorm> and its new, but not too new
[11:20] <ionstorm> it made me switch back to fiesty
[11:21] <bdmurray> Are you one of the commentors on that bug report?
[11:22] <ionstorm> yes
[11:22] <ionstorm> this is my bug report on another
[11:22] <ionstorm> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/130078
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130078 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Gutsy Gibbon 2.6.22-9-generic Kernel Panic when inserting belkins F5D7050 USB wifi card/rt73 driver" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[11:22] <ionstorm> can u link it together
[11:22] <ionstorm> i got rid of gutsy because I could not provide proof
[11:22] <ionstorm> i dont have a camera
[11:23] <ionstorm> and the bug wouldnt be logged in the boot log
[11:24] <ionstorm> i cannot provide any proof, it completely locks up my computer as soon as I plug it in
[11:24] <ionstorm> others are experiencing related problems
[11:25] <ionstorm> its a kernel issue
[11:26] <bdmurray> Does someone else expreriencing the same problem have more information about the kernel panic?
[11:27] <ionstorm> no because it completely locks up the system
[11:27] <ionstorm> and doesnt show up in logs
[11:27] <ionstorm> and no proof will be found unless someone takes a snapshot with a camera
[11:27] <ionstorm> and i dont have one
[11:27] <ionstorm> :(
[11:28] <ionstorm> so ubuntu will be useless for me and many others for a while
[11:28] <ionstorm> i bought my whole family this wifi card and nobody can use ubuntu gutsy
[11:29] <ionstorm> its a cheap popular card
[11:29] <ionstorm> works great
[11:29] <ionstorm> i dont know why it doesnt work on ubuntu gutsy, it works fine on the kernel.org kernel
[11:29] <ionstorm> and 2.6.22 with ck patchset
[11:29] <ionstorm> but not the gutsy kernel
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137372 in gnome-main-menu (universe) "gnome-main-menu installs an executable in /usr/lib/gnome-main-menu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137372
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137374 in ubuntu "resumes from hibernation after normal shutdown" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137374
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #136485 in gparted (main) "gparted crashed with SIGSEGV in Glib::SignalProxyNormal::slot0_void_callback()" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136485
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #137378 in xfburn (main) "Please move xfburn to universe" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137378
[11:51] <ubotu> New bug: #137376 in ubuntu "[gutsy]  Logging into Gnome makes xorg restart" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137376
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137379 in kde-guidance (main) "package kde-guidance-powermanager 0.8.0svn20070727-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137379
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137380 in xubuntu-system-tools (main) "[gutsy]  please remove xubuntu-system-tools from the archive" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137380
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137381 in linux-meta (main) "package linux-restricted-modules-generic <IP_ADDRESS>.11 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137381
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137383 in ubuntu "list_lists crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137383
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137384 in debconf (main) "frontend crashed with SIGSEGV in abort()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137384
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #137386 in glade-3 (main) "(gutsy) glade 3, gnome DB icons all blank" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137386
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137388 in ubuntu "LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT set when it shouldn't be" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137388


[19:00] <Rinchen> #startmeeting
[19:00] <Rinchen> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.
[19:00] <Rinchen> hmm
[19:00]  * Rinchen pokes MootBot
[19:00] <Rinchen> mootbot is dead
[19:00] <mrevell> long live mootbot
[19:00] <mrevell> me
[19:00] <mrevell> oops
[19:00] <Rinchen> Well, Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating Launchpad development.
[19:00] <sinzui> or MootBot is very drunk again
[19:01] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[19:01] <Rinchen> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[19:01] <Ursinha> haha
[19:01] <Rinchen> me!
[19:01] <mrevell> me
[19:01] <bigjools> me
[19:01] <gmb> me (what timing!)
[19:01] <cprov> me
[19:01] <salgado> me
[19:01] <beuno> me
[19:01] <flacoste> me
[19:01] <Ursinha> me
[19:01] <stub> me
[19:01] <mthaddon> me
[19:01] <thumper> me
[19:01] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[19:01] <intellectronica> me
[19:01] <sinzui> me
[19:01] <adeuring> me
[19:01] <mars> me
[19:01] <BjornT> me
[19:01] <mwhudson> me
[19:01] <flacoste> barry is missing this meeting
[19:01] <Rinchen> as will abently
[19:01] <Ursinha> where is matsubara?
[19:01] <al-maisan> me
[19:01] <allenap> me
[19:02] <BjornT> bugs team is here
[19:02] <bigjools> soyuz here
[19:02] <Rinchen> rockstar, ping
[19:02] <rockstar> me
[19:02] <flacoste> bac, leonardr: ping
[19:02] <Rinchen> Releases is missing Diogo.. we're trying to find him
[19:03] <matsubara> me
[19:03] <rockstar> Found him!
[19:03] <Ursinha> haha
[19:03] <Rinchen> :-)
[19:03] <Ursinha> :)
[19:03] <bac> me
[19:03] <matsubara> sorry
[19:03] <Rinchen> ok Releases is here
[19:03] <matsubara> I was grabbing something to eat
[19:03] <Rinchen> danilos, here?
[19:03] <Rinchen> jtv, here?
[19:03] <jtv> Rinchen: yes, just got in
[19:04] <Rinchen> ok, we'll go ahead then since we'll mostly here
[19:04] <leonardr> me
[19:04] <kiko> me
[19:04] <kiko> I'm here, I'm here!
[19:04] <jtv> who?
[19:04] <Rinchen> [TOPIC] Agenda
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Next meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Actions from last meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs (matsubara/ursinha)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * DBA report (stub)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * New packages required (salgado
[19:04] <Rinchen>  * Next meeting
[19:04] <Rinchen> hm
[19:04] <Rinchen> Next meeting
[19:05] <Rinchen> kiko, will we have a mtg next week?
[19:05] <mrevell> Rinchen: I'm away next Thursday.
[19:05] <kiko> I think we should if there's somebody that would like to run it
[19:05] <mthaddon> herb will be away next Thursday
[19:05] <gmb> So will I.
[19:05] <Rinchen> The team leads will be sprinting
[19:05] <sinzui> I may not be here next week
[19:06] <rockstar> Maybe it would be better to ask who will be here?
[19:06] <flacoste> Rinchen: Foundations is complete (apart barry which is excused)
[19:06] <Rinchen> I propose skipping next week and starting on the 4th
[19:06] <Ursinha> rockstar, +1 :)
[19:06] <kiko> Ursinha, matsubara: why don't you guys run the meeting?
[19:06] <mwhudson> (i am unlikely to be here but then you don't expect me anyway)
[19:06] <Ursinha> Ursinha, i can try that, matsubara, what do you think?
[19:06] <matsubara> kiko, you mean next week's meeting or all meetings from now on?
[19:06] <mthaddon> matsubara, well volunteered!
[19:06] <Ursinha> talking to myself is not good
[19:07] <kiko> next week? :)
[19:07] <matsubara> kiko, sure thing
[19:07] <Ursinha> cool
[19:07] <kiko> cool
[19:07] <Rinchen> ok, then, thanks.
[19:08] <Rinchen> we will have a meeting next with with several apologies
[19:08] <Rinchen> Actions from last meeting
[19:08] <Rinchen> We had two
[19:08] <Rinchen>   * mwhudson to get with mthaddon to see if we can super-charge gdb to give us better diagnostic info on the staging
[19:08] <Rinchen>   * Joey to review RT ticket Priorities in RT to ensure they are accurate.
[19:08] <mwhudson> so we set some stuff up, but didn't collect any data aiui
[19:08] <mthaddon> I think the first one ended up being herb, but I know there was some work done on that
[19:09] <Rinchen> I did a once through on the RTs so they are in order as far as I can see for those who gave priorities. I did do some cleanup
[19:09] <mwhudson> (because now we're looking at it staging so closely it's resolutely refusing to crash)
[19:09] <kiko> herb_, mwhudson: really? I am a bit surprised because I think linkchecker didn't finish running and I thought that was the cause
[19:09] <mthaddon> staging has crashed numerous times over the past week
[19:10] <mthaddon> although to be fair, the last time seems to have been on the 18th
[19:10] <mwhudson> mthaddon: oh, did my gdb voodoo work then?
[19:10] <mthaddon> mwhudson, not sure - as I say, it's herb that's been working on this
[19:10] <mwhudson> because the last time i got spm to look, my stuff had gone walkabout and it was the SIGPIPE thing again
[19:11] <mwhudson> (which might have been on the 18th, indeed)
[19:12] <kiko> mthaddon, herb_: we /really/ need to be able to run staging interactively.
[19:12] <mthaddon> kiko, we've had this discussion before - I'm still getting you an answer on that one
[19:12] <kiko> mthaddon, not me as in we. we as in OSAs :)
[19:13] <Rinchen> mthaddon, herb_, spm - can you please maintain vigilance on staging and when gdb kicks in to contact one of the LP devs?
[19:13] <mthaddon> oh okay :)
[19:13] <kiko> mthaddon, or is that the same problem?
[19:13] <mthaddon> no, I don't think that's the same problem
[19:13] <kiko> I mean, I consider myself an OSA. just a particurly underprivileged one. :)
[19:13] <mthaddon> I'll check with herb about the gdb issue when he's back
[19:14] <kiko> mthaddon, sanks
[19:14] <Rinchen> ok, so we'll keep this action item open but replace mwhudson with "LP devs"
[19:14] <mthaddon> yah
[19:14] <kiko> Rinchen, meaning nobody's responsible?
[19:14] <Rinchen> kiko, meaning the OSAs are responsible
[19:14] <kiko> I want somebody to own this problem and to actually want to fix it
[19:15] <Rinchen> and to find whomever they can when it happens
[19:15] <Rinchen> regardless of the hour
[19:15] <kiko> is that the right direction for this vector, mthaddon?
[19:15] <mthaddon> sure
[19:16] <Rinchen> thanks... moving on then...
[19:16] <Rinchen>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs (matsubara/ursinha)
[19:16] <Ursinha> alright
[19:16] <Ursinha> two new bugs, one question for thumper
[19:16] <Ursinha> for translations, bug 259433, who can take a look at it, jtv or danilos? A candidate to RC, i think
[19:16] <thumper> Ursinha: shoot
[19:17] <Ursinha> thumper, about that two items in the test plan that were hanging (stacked branches, i guess), what was the solution to them in the end?
[19:17] <jtv> Ursinha: I'll have a look, thanks
[19:17] <matsubara> that one is quite weird, I initially thought was a hacked url, but it OOPSes even with no parameters
[19:17] <Ursinha> jtv, thanks
[19:17] <thumper> Ursinha: it's bad, very bad
[19:18]  * thumper is unhappy about the first bad item
[19:18] <Ursinha> thumper, go ahead :)
[19:18] <thumper> Ursinha: bad as in broken, not working, fubared
[19:18] <Ursinha> holy cow
[19:18] <matsubara> thumper, hmm did you disabled the feature for now?
[19:18] <mwhudson> no, that was something else
[19:18] <thumper> as much as we can, yes
[19:19] <mwhudson> no stacking will happen by default, which limits the carnage
[19:19] <matsubara> thumper, mwhudson: cool. can we expect a fix ready for the second rollout?
[19:19] <Ursinha> thumper, too bad that it will take forever to fix?
[19:20] <mwhudson> matsubara: when is the second rollout?
[19:20] <thumper> I'm not sure that we know exactly what the problem is yet
[19:20] <kiko> mwhudson, when would you like it?
[19:20] <matsubara> when kiko/joey says so
[19:20] <mwhudson> matsubara: but i guess the answer is going to be "maybe", the problems aren't well understood yet :/
[19:20] <mwhudson> (too many moving parts)
[19:21] <matsubara> all right. keep us posted on that one. I'll add that to the CurrentRolloutBlockers page
[19:21] <Ursinha> so we can't really expect them as items to be RC
[19:21] <Ursinha> thanks matsubara
[19:21] <kiko> that sucks
[19:21] <Ursinha> ok, moving on
[19:21] <mwhudson> i guess it's what we'll be working on today
[19:21] <mwhudson> kiko: yep
[19:22] <kiko> mwhudson, can I help somehow?
[19:22] <mwhudson> kiko: if we can think of a way, we'll let you know, but i guess it's a me, thumper, spm job mostly
[19:23] <kiko> mwhudson, okay, I'm your man if you need some effort and energy to hack away with it
[19:23] <Ursinha> cool
[19:23] <Ursinha> may i move on?
[19:23] <matsubara> go ahead
[19:24] <Ursinha> for foundations, i guess, bug 260140 - an annoying timeout. Who can take that?
[19:24] <Rinchen> go4it
[19:24] <matsubara> bac or EdwinGrubbs ^?
[19:24] <flacoste> Ursinha: that's for thumper's team, i reassigned
[19:24] <thumper> that is probably me
[19:24]  * mwhudson points at thumper
[19:24] <Ursinha> flacoste, thanks
[19:24] <flacoste> 'retargeted' is the proper term, thumper will assign
[19:24] <thumper> although it is purely DB query optimisation
[19:25] <Ursinha> thumper, i thought so
[19:25] <Ursinha> is that hard to fix?
[19:25] <thumper> so stub is probably most able to understand it
[19:25] <Ursinha> thumper, i'll assign him the bug
[19:25] <kiko> thumper, maybe somebody on your team could have a call with him later today?
[19:26] <Ursinha> and then you could talk to him about it
[19:26] <thumper> kiko: sure, I'll try to get hold of him later
[19:26] <Ursinha> ok, fine
[19:26] <Ursinha> i'm done here
[19:26] <matsubara> for the critical bugs session
[19:26] <Ursinha> thanks guys
[19:26] <kiko> thanks Ursinha
[19:27] <flacoste> kiko, thumper: after this meeting is usually not the best time to speak to stub, it's pretty late for him
[19:27] <matsubara> we have 5 critical bugs, all of them Fix Committed.
[19:27] <Ursinha> matsubara, the same last week
[19:27] <matsubara> so, good job guys!
[19:27] <Rinchen> thanks Ursinha and matsubara
[19:27] <matsubara> that's all from me. thanks
[19:27] <kiko> flacoste, I meant tomorrow morning?
[19:27] <flacoste> kiko: right, that's better
[19:27] <Rinchen>  * Operations report (mthaddon/herb/spm)
[19:28] <mthaddon> 2.1.8 rollout:
[19:28] <mthaddon> • default LPCONFIG has mailman build - now fixed by explicitly calling LPCONFIG for all make builds
[19:28] <mthaddon> • vostok connecting to internal xmlrpc server - temp fix in place, will be figuring out infrastructure issues later
[19:28] <mthaddon> Continuing issues with app servers dying and leaving a stale pidfile(average 2-3 per day) - gdb testing on staging since 19th, hasn't yet crashed since then
[19:28] <mthaddon> Codebrowse has needed a few restarts over the past week
[19:28] <mthaddon> Codehosting needed a restart too (31 lp-serve processes of 32MB each, some up to 19 days old)
[19:28] <mthaddon> Rollout time should be 22:00 UTC, not 00:00 UTC, right? If so, the blog will need updating
[19:28] <mthaddon> That's it from herb, spm and me unless there are any questions
[19:28] <thumper> flacoste: I'll talk when I see him turn up later
[19:28] <mwhudson> mthaddon: any movement on the internal xml-rpc thing yet?
[19:28] <Rinchen> mthaddon, do we have logs for the codehosting restart?
[19:28] <mthaddon> mwhudson, not yet - will be following up post-meeting
[19:29] <mwhudson> mthaddon: ok
[19:29] <mthaddon> Rinchen, same as usual logs, yeah
[19:29] <Rinchen> Do we have a bug for it?  That seems rather...unusual.
[19:29] <Rinchen> (the event)
[19:29] <mthaddon> Rinchen, no bug as yet - can create one
[19:30] <Rinchen> mthaddon, please and pass it to Ursinha, matsubara, and thumper  for investigation
[19:30] <mthaddon> will do
[19:30] <Rinchen> thank you sir
[19:30] <mthaddon> Rinchen, can you confirm on the rollout time question as well?
[19:31] <Rinchen> kiko, 2nd code update tomorrow at 22?
[19:31] <Rinchen> er
[19:31] <mthaddon> Rinchen, I was meaning for future rollouts (2.1.9, etc.)
[19:31] <Rinchen> that won't work will it
[19:31] <kiko> Rinchen, or tonight?
[19:31] <Rinchen> yeah, should be tonight
[19:32] <Rinchen> mthaddon, yeah, let's set them for 22:00 and we'll try to be aggressive for getting PQM's last job on by 20:00
[19:32] <Rinchen> mrevell, ^^
[19:32] <mrevell> noted, thanks Rinchen
[19:32] <mthaddon> Rinchen, that'd be great
[19:32] <Rinchen> 22:00 seems to be working better for us than 00:00 ....  just seems to go smoother with less stress
[19:32] <Rinchen> and I get to go home before 9pm :-)
[19:32] <mthaddon> Rinchen, absolutely - esp if we need SA help
[19:32] <mrevell> mthaddon: Still want to allow a two hour window in announcements?
[19:33] <mthaddon> mrevell, I think it's best to leave it as that - gives us padding - maybe "up to 2 hours"?
[19:33] <Rinchen> +1 on "up to 2 hours"
[19:33] <mrevell> mthaddon: Yes, makes sense. Great, thanks.
[19:33] <Rinchen> Anything else for the LOSAs?
[19:33] <Rinchen> ok,
[19:33] <Rinchen>  * DBA report (stub)
[19:33] <stub> Nothing thrilling happening I can think of.
[19:34] <Rinchen> yay! you're still awake
[19:34] <stub> Not for long...
[19:34] <Rinchen> I don't have anything for stub today.  Does anyone else?
[19:35] <Ursinha> Rinchen, only the bug we've just talked about
[19:35] <Rinchen> right.
[19:35] <Ursinha> assigned to him already
[19:35] <Rinchen> And that'll be taken care of after stub rises from the dead tomorrow
[19:35] <Rinchen> ok, thanks stub.  nighty night
[19:35] <Rinchen>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[19:35] <Rinchen> Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent?
[19:35] <Rinchen> I've made some progress with IS this week
[19:36] <Rinchen> on some higher priority tickets
[19:36] <Rinchen> The two tickets I'm currently still tracking are
[19:36] <allenap> I can't merge until RT 31486 is in, but it's not urgent.
[19:36] <Rinchen> #31131 AutoReply: Jackass needs to access the Launchpad restricted librarian
[19:36] <Rinchen> #31296: convert staging code import machine for production use, set up VMs on remaining staging box
[19:37] <Rinchen> ok allenap, I'll have a look at that and set a priority and date for it
[19:37] <Rinchen> anyone else?
[19:37] <mwhudson> Rinchen: the codeimport one is partially in my court at the moment
[19:37] <allenap> Rinchen: Thanks :)
[19:38] <Rinchen> k, I'll keep it on my radar mwhudson
[19:38] <mwhudson> (we need to make some code changes to reduce disk space usage)
[19:38] <Rinchen> ok, thanks
[19:38] <Rinchen>  * New packages required (salgado)
[19:38] <salgado> anything for me?
[19:39] <Rinchen> salgado, Jamesh's request?
[19:39] <salgado> copying psycopg2 to lpdebs?
[19:39] <salgado> (already did that one)
[19:39] <salgado> is there another?
[19:40] <Rinchen> no but I needed that one to remove deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jamesh/ubuntu hardy main from the newlaunchpadder start up list
[19:40] <Rinchen> I'll go remove that and email everyone to remove that from apt
[19:40] <Rinchen> thanks salgado
[19:41] <Rinchen> and with that, I come to the end of the agenda!
[19:41] <Ursinha> yay
[19:41] <Rinchen> Anything anyone wants to add before I close?
[19:41] <Rinchen> ok then!
[19:41] <Rinchen> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Developer Meeting. See the channel topic for the location of the logs.
[19:42] <Rinchen> except there won't be any logs for today from mootbot :-(
[19:42] <mwhudson> thanks Rinchen
[19:42] <mrevell> thanks rinchen, everyone
[19:42] <al-maisan> bye!
[19:43]  * Ursinha waves goodbye
[19:46] <mohbana_> hi


[08:05] <Saviq> moin
[08:37] <Saviq> mzanetti, spread does not restore from minimized, that new in silo 21, do you think, or just missed before?
[08:38]  * Saviq managed to get twice in a weird state where I couldn't access the background app in Staged mode... not sure how to get there though, yet
[08:51] <mzanetti> Saviq, it's fixed int ltinkl's activateWindow branch
[08:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, ack
[08:52] <mzanetti> so yes, broken in silo 21 :/
[08:52] <Saviq> is fine, didn't know if broken before or not
[08:52] <mzanetti> yes, always been so far
[09:09] <Saviq> cimi, one of the LazyImage tests seems to have gotten flaky with your shape changes
[09:09] <Saviq> FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::LazyImage::test_lazyimage(Unbound Wide) property running
[09:09] <Saviq>    Actual   (): false
[09:09] <Saviq>    Expected (): true
[09:09] <Saviq>    Loc: [/home/michal/dev/canonical/unity8/repo/tests/qmltests/Components/tst_LazyImage.qml(159)]
[09:10] <Saviq> cimi, can you please have a look
[09:51] <Saviq> cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/sdk1.3_newUbuntuShape/+merge/271610/comments/698306
[09:52] <cimi> Saviq, yup on it...
[09:52] <Saviq> cimi, k, just letting you know that's the branch
[09:53] <cimi> Saviq, anyway upgrading from vivid->xenial fails to open project on qtcreator, complaining about some cmake cpb files missing
[09:53] <cimi> am I alone with that issue_
[09:53] <cimi> ?
[09:53] <Saviq> cimi, didn't see it before, drop your build dir
[09:54] <Saviq> cimi, ./build.sh -c
[09:54] <cimi> yeah I will try that later.... building now :)
[09:55] <cimi> thank you
[10:09] <cimi> Saviq, could you also run the same on your machine for wide-preview branch?
[10:09] <cimi> Saviq, I touched that file and maybe I fixed the issue already there (and I can backport to the other branch if needed)
[10:19] <Saviq> cimi, no you didn't, since it fails in silo 21
[10:20] <Saviq> cimi, that's where I found it
[10:20] <cimi> Saviq, ok, cause it keeps passing here on wide-preview
[10:21] <Saviq> cimi, ok, trying
[10:21] <Saviq> fail in 3 runs
[10:22] <Saviq> actually, lemme try with 1.3 alone
[10:25] <Saviq> nope, 1.3 alone does not fail
[10:35] <cimi> Saviq, I'm trying new ubuntushape now, cause wide-preview doesn't fail for me
[10:37] <Saviq> cimi, I think the problem is this:
[10:37] <Saviq>                 tryCompare(transition, "running", true);
[10:37] <Saviq>                 tryCompare(transition, "running", false);
[10:37] <Saviq> it's probably waiting for the transition to start when it's already finished
[10:38] <cimi> Saviq, thanks, as soon as is starts to fail here I will have a look :))
[10:38] <Saviq> I've an idea
[10:38] <Saviq> cimi, it might not fail for you if it's too fast
[10:39] <Saviq> or well, too slow?
[10:39] <cimi> slow maybe, on my laptop now
[10:39] <cimi> core duo...
[10:39]  * Saviq adds debugs
[10:39] <cimi> let me try with the i7
[10:51] <cimi> Saviq, which silo I need? looking for unity api 9
[10:52] <cimi> my freshly updated desktop seems to miss something :)
[10:56] <Saviq> cimi, 21
[10:56] <cimi> ok, the same
[11:31] <cimi> Saviq, missing libusermetricsoutput-1 :/
[11:31] <Saviq> cimi, you're on wily?
[11:31] <cimi> Saviq, xenial
[11:31] <Saviq> cimi, works fine here
[11:31] <Saviq> ./build.sh -c
[11:31] <cimi> I know, on my other pc is fine
[11:31] <cimi> I did that...
[11:32] <cimi> I cannot find in the archive/synaptic
[11:33] <cimi> let me try some synaptic magic
[11:50] <dandrader> Saviq, did you get to test lp1475678.surface-occlude? I recall you were asking how to verify it yesterday I think
[11:50] <Saviq> dandrader, yes
[11:50] <Saviq> dandrader, see silo 21 description
[11:51] <cimi> Saviq, ok crashes on i7, yay!
[11:51] <Saviq> cimi, crashes? or fails?
[11:51] <cimi> fail fail
[11:51] <cimi> gonna fix it now
[11:51] <Saviq> cimi, I was trying a few things with a SignalSpy on runningChanged on the transition, but didn't get there yet
[11:52] <Saviq> but I'd say that's the right direction, no better way to know if a transition ran
[12:05] <dandrader> Saviq, you tested phone and desktop and tablet?
[12:10] <Saviq> dandrader, just phone
[12:21] <Saviq> dandrader, btw, did you see the orientation test failure on upsidedown branch?
[12:21] <dandrader> Saviq, not yet
[12:22] <Saviq> k
[12:22] <dandrader> Saviq, hey, recall that rotation issue you told me with new_fix_upsidedown?
[12:22] <dandrader> Saviq, seems to be in trunk
[12:22] <Saviq> dandrader, yeah, there's a bunch of weirdness with external screen and rotation, but doubt due to that branch
[12:22] <dandrader> Saviq, while testing the occlude branch on Nexus 7 in desktop mode. If I focus/select the dialer app shell rotates to portrait
[12:23] <Saviq> dandrader, ack
[12:23] <Saviq> makes sense, since we don't have a test for it
[13:23] <greyback_> dandrader: another thing for your review queue: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtmir/fix-cmdline-args/+merge/274954
[13:40] <dandrader> Saviq, fixed new_fix_upsidedown
[13:51] <Saviq> dandrader|afk, tx
[14:37] <greyback_> Saviq: hey, I want to create a silo to land some qtubuntu fixes, are you about to create another silo or shall I?
[14:40] <Saviq> greyback_, silo 21 not tested yet, were fighting issues still
[14:40] <Saviq> greyback_, so might very well add there
[14:41] <greyback_> Saviq: it's a small one, fixes webbrowser issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/qtubuntu/ubuntuscreen-physicalsize/+merge/273965
[14:42] <Saviq> greyback_, ack


[11:26] <m8ram> hi, can somebody here help me with issues after upgrading from fesity to gutsy?
[11:26] <m8ram> te upgrade hosed my X config
[22:58] <twb> Where would I find casper developers?
[23:05] <twb> You can all stop looking, I fixed the problem by myself.


[12:21] <Yannig> Well, thanks a lot jordi and carlos  :)
[12:22] <Yannig> I go to bed, good night :)
[03:36] <ubotu> New bug: #124112 in malone "'Triaged' not in default advanced search" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124112
[03:40] <jelmer> I'm getting OOPSes reporting a bug on bzr
[03:40] <jelmer> OOPS-551E260
[03:40] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/551E260
[03:41] <spiv> jelmer: try using +filebug-advanced rather than +filebug in the URL :/
[03:41] <spiv> (i.e. the "just let me file the bug and don't search for possible duplicates" form)
[03:42] <jelmer> spiv: ah, thanks
[03:42] <jelmer> that ubuto link gives me an auth prompt - or is that intentional?
[03:42] <spiv> jelmer: the timeout problem on +filebug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/86361
[03:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86361 in malone "Search for duplicate and similar bugs on +filebug sometimes timeout" [High,In progress]   - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)
[03:43] <LaserJock> jelmer: that's intentional
[03:53] <jelmer> LaserJock: ah, ok
[03:54] <jelmer> spiv: btw, did you see I fixed the bug that was stopping svn-import on twisted?
[03:54] <lifeless> jelmer: so, lightweight branches
[03:54] <lifeless> jelmer: have you had the chat needed with poolie
[03:56] <jelmer> lifeless: not yet - was working on an email about it that I hope to send tomorrow morning (or rather, this morning :-P)
[03:57] <jelmer> I got a bit distracted and implemented a bzr-rebase plugin today
[03:58] <lifeless> I saw :)
[04:28] <spiv> jelmer: yes, thanks!
[06:26] <LaserJock> hi mpt
[06:29] <mpt> hello hello
[09:11] <carlos_> morning
[09:30] <kompressor> morning carlos
[09:30] <carlos> kompressor: hi
[09:47] <siretart> are uploads to team-ppa's supposed to work?
[09:47] <siretart> (morning, btw)
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #124162 in launchpad-answers "special syntax for bug reports and comments on bugs?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124162
[11:30] <ubotu> New bug: #124163 in launchpad-answers "add ability to preview bug reports and comments" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124163
[11:33] <mpt> carlos, why do translation pages often have "Translated and reviewed by:" followed by an empty space?
[11:33] <mpt> Is it to make clear that the string has not been reviewed yet?
[11:33] <mpt> or is it just a bug?
[11:33] <mpt> e.g. https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+pots/bootloader/de/+translate?start=60
[11:34] <carlos> mpt: I think we talked about that already
[11:34] <carlos> mpt: and it was a problem with your browser
[11:34] <carlos> or am I mixing something?
[11:34] <carlos> not sure whether it was with that field of the 'coming from' entry
[11:34] <carlos> mpt: do you remember that conversation?
[11:35] <carlos> mpt: when you looked at the html source you saw the information so seems like it was a CSS problem
[11:35] <mpt> carlos, oh, right!
[11:35] <mpt> sorry, I forgot
[11:35] <ubotu> New bug: #124166 in launchpad-answers "add a target link anchor to every comment in bugs discussions" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124166
[11:37] <carlos> no worries
[11:37] <mpt> and I don't think I ever reported a bug on it, either
[11:38] <mpt> oh yes I did, bug 119390
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119390 in rosetta ""Translated and reviewed by:" data is invisible in Safari" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119390 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #124175 in malone "Notify debbugs (debian bug tracking system) in linked bugs when bug get fixed in ubuntu" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124175
[12:28] <Dvyjones> Thank you
[01:09] <statik> hello world
[01:20] <mrevell> hey statik
[01:22] <statik> hi mrevell
[01:22] <mrevell> statik: just belatedly replying to your "hello world" :)
[01:23] <statik> ah right :)
[01:46] <cprov> morning, folks
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Hi cprov.
[01:51] <cprov> Fujitsu: hey, how is it going ?
[01:52] <Fujitsu> cprov: Not bad. Yourself?
[01:52] <cprov> Fujitsu: well, getting better, I'd say :)
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Soyuz is still eating a lot of uploads, but the few I've done seem to have survived.
[01:58] <cprov> Fujitsu: err, how do you mean ? rejected uploads w/o notification ?
[02:00] <Fujitsu> cprov: Right. DB permission violations, AFAICR.
[02:01] <siretart> yes, I noticed that as well for g-wrap
[02:02] <siretart> Fujitsu: just remove the LP-closes-bugs page from the Changes file, I observed that soyuz accepts it then
[02:02] <Fujitsu> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8312458/fSl6HTFlQliJLUZlM1vUKk7DaiY.txt is one example.
[02:02] <cprov> closing-bugs
[02:35] <ubotu> New bug: #124191 in soyuz "Package upload breaks if they try to close a bug that is linked to a question" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124191
[02:49] <Dvyjones> Hi everyone!
[02:49] <Dvyjones> Bonjour!
[02:49] <Dvyjones> Hallo!
[02:49] <Dvyjones> N ho!
[02:49] <Dvyjones> Hei kaikki
[02:49] <Dvyjones> Czesc!
[02:49] <Dvyjones> Ciao!
[02:51] <Dvyjones> General Error
[02:51] <Dvyjones> SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ]
[02:51] <Dvyjones> Unknown database 'filmer_forum' [1049]
[02:51] <Dvyjones> An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator if this problem persists.
[02:51] <Dvyjones> lol, forum uploaded, but not installed (http://filmer.wikia.com/forum)
[02:52] <Dvyjones> Sorry, wrong channel
[03:56] <kiko> me
[03:56] <statik> me
[03:57] <Hobbsee> early people.
[03:58] <intellectronica> me
[03:58] <SteveA> fa so la
[03:58] <sinzui> dough, ray, me
[03:59] <barry> mom, me
[03:59] <stub> me
[03:59] <kiko> em dash
[03:59] <flacoste> c'mon guys, the roll call wasn't calle dyet
[03:59] <flacoste> pay attention!
[03:59] <adeuring> me
[03:59] <schwuk> flacoste: spoilsport
[03:59] <ddaa> them
[03:59] <schwuk> him
[04:00] <ddaa> us
[04:00] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting.  For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating about Launchpad development.
[04:00] <SteveA> Who is here today?
[04:00] <schwuk> me
[04:00] <mpt> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <Rinchen> me
[04:00] <bigjools> me
[04:00] <statik> me
[04:00] <gmb> me
[04:00] <ddaa> me
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <flacoste> me
[04:00] <allenap_> me
[04:00] <jtv> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <carlos> me
[04:00] <intellectronica> me
[04:00] <cprov> me
[04:00] <stub> me
[04:00] <mwhudson> me
[04:00] <jamesh> me
[04:00] <adeuring> me
[04:00] <kiko> me
[04:00] <SteveA> salgado is on vacation
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:00] <jsk> me
[04:01] <danilos> me
[04:01] <BjornT> me
[04:01] <ubotu> New bug: #124205 in blueprint "timeout in specworkload page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124205
[04:01] <danilos> bigjools: too used to chatting in your younger days? :)
[04:01] <SteveA>
[04:01] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[04:02] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:02] <SteveA> ----
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Infrastructure: Auth server going away. (SteveA)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * The launchpad-bazaar people who do not attend the main meeting would appreciate the meeting minutes being sent out by email (mwhudson)
[04:02] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[04:02] <SteveA> ----
[04:02] <SteveA>  * Blockers
[04:02] <SteveA>
[04:02] <SteveA> who is acting as an envoy for the bzrlp team?
[04:02] <mwhudson> me
[04:02] <SteveA> ok
[04:03] <SteveA> Next meeting, same time next week.  Various people will be at the EuroPython conference.
[04:03] <SteveA> including me
[04:03] <mwhudson> and me
[04:03] <danilos> are we setting the chair for the meeting today, or will it end up being mpt as usual? :)
[04:03] <SteveA> actions from the last meeting
[04:04] <SteveA>  * jamesh to follow up on bug 58220
[04:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 58220 in launchpad "When an error occurs processing a request another oops is recorded because there's no interaction set up." [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58220 - Assigned to James Henstridge (jamesh)
[04:04] <jamesh> I have not followed up on it yet.
[04:04] <SteveA> ok, let's leave it on the agenda for next week to track it
[04:05] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:05] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bug 124205
[04:05] <matsubara> jsk, you've been doing some work optimizing other blueprint pages. Can you take that one?
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124205 in blueprint "timeout in specworkload page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124205
[04:05] <jsk> matsubara: it sounds familiar - I'll take it. :)
[04:06] <matsubara> jsk: thanks. if you need more oops samples let me know in the report.
[04:06] <jsk> matsubara: will do.
[04:06] <matsubara> that's it SteveA, back to you.
[04:06] <SteveA>  * Bug report ([wiki:JoeyStanford/topweeklybugs Current Top Items] )
[04:06] <Rinchen> Howdy
[04:07] <Rinchen> Everyone has been doing a great job with bugs recently
[04:07] <Rinchen> Thank you for that.
[04:07] <Rinchen> I'd like to thank Bjorn for reporting and taking Bug #124191 in Salgado's absence.
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124191 in soyuz "Package upload breaks if they try to close a bug that is linked to a question" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124191 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[04:07] <Rinchen> SteveA, that's all for today. We're looking good this week.
[04:07] <kiko> Rinchen, what does salgado have to do with that bug? :)
[04:08] <Rinchen> kiko, it's soyuz :-)
[04:08] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen and matsubara
[04:08] <SteveA>  * Bug tags  -- no new tags proposed
[04:08] <kiko> Rinchen, now, what does salgado have to do with soyuz?
[04:08] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:08] <mthaddon> Will be rolling out Cherry Picks on LaunchpadProductionStatus page today
[04:08] <mthaddon> Devel merge to Edge working again
[04:08] <mthaddon> that's about it from me
[04:09] <SteveA> thanks
[04:09] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:09] <stub> DB patches for 1.1.7 are backlogged at the moment due to sprint. Clearing this will be my priority next week.
[04:09] <stub> Nothing else to report.
[04:09] <SteveA> thanks
[04:09] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[04:09] <kiko> thanks stub
[04:10] <kiko> stub, there's a question from danilo for you on the ML, btw.
[04:10] <Rinchen> SteveA, We're good on my end. Does anyone have anything urgent that I'm not already aware of?
[04:10] <Rinchen> 3
[04:10] <Rinchen> 2
[04:10] <Rinchen> 1
[04:10] <mwhudson> Rinchen: my "get loggerhead into PQM" ticket, but it's not urgent
[04:11] <Rinchen> mwhudson, ok, I'll ping you about it's importance today
[04:11] <mthaddon> mwhudson: will be working on that in the next few days
[04:11] <Rinchen> anyone else?
[04:11] <mwhudson> Rinchen, mthaddon: great!
[04:11] <Rinchen> SteveA, over to you
[04:11] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:11] <mrevell> hi
[04:11] <mrevell> I'd like to highlight something slightly different for this week's user-affecting issue.
[04:11] <mrevell> I'm planning to change the Launchpad user meetings to form part of the regular Launchpad development cycle.
[04:12] <mrevell> I'd like to know if people think it would be more useful to have the meeting either:
[04:12] <mrevell> Just after ComingFeatures is updated with the next release's planned features. This would be a good chance to raise questions/objections/etc about planned features.
[04:12] <mrevell> or
[04:12] <mrevell> A couple of days before the release itself. This would keep new features fresh in people's minds but would have to be primarily informational, as there'd be no time for changes to the release.
[04:12] <mrevell> I've posted to the launchpad-users mailing list, so please reply to my mail there.
[04:12] <mrevell> Thanks SteveA.
[04:12] <kiko> mrevell, I vote for the former.
[04:12] <kiko> it's a good idea
[04:12] <SteveA> thanks
[04:12] <mrevell> kiko: thanks
[04:12] <kiko> right after ComingFeatures
[04:13] <SteveA>  * Infrastructure: Auth server going away. (SteveA)
[04:13] <mrevell> kiko: Yeah
[04:13] <SteveA> stub, spiv, me, barry and bac had a call today
[04:13] <SteveA> to talk about how we do the kind of infrastructure that connects together different services that we run
[04:13] <SteveA> right now, we use the mis-named "authserver" for this
[04:14] <SteveA> in the near future, the authentication portion of the authserver will be turned off, as we'll be using the launchpad single sign on service for wikis instead
[04:14] <SteveA> the general rule for connecting such systems together will be
[04:15] <SteveA>  - if appropriate, have a direct connection to the launchpad database on the remote system
[04:15] <kiko> rock on
[04:15] <SteveA>  - otherwise, use http / xmlrpc, on "internal" views written and tested within the launchpad web application server
[04:15] <SteveA> these are distinct from any external public apis we offer
[04:15] <SteveA> and are available only to particular machines in the data centre
[04:16] <SteveA> I'll be working with barry on the infrastructure needed to support this
[04:16] <SteveA> as barry needs it for his mailing lists work
[04:16] <danilos> is this going to affect our local development methods if we are working strictly on LP? or is this only for 'external' services?
[04:16] <jamesh> so we're bringing back the "backend" web server?
[04:16] <danilos> (like wiki, forums and such)
[04:16] <SteveA> when that's ready, we'll look at moving remaining authserver APIs to use that new service
[04:16] <SteveA> jamesh: yes
[04:16] <jamesh> okay
[04:17] <SteveA> the service will run on a new launchpad instance dedicated specifically to serving internal APIs
[04:17] <SteveA> mwhudson: please ensure jml knows about this
[04:17] <mwhudson> SteveA: ok
[04:17] <SteveA> as I think it will influence his work
[04:17] <SteveA> I'll be mailing about this later today
[04:18] <mwhudson> is there a timescale yet?
[04:18] <SteveA> 1.1.8 I expect
[04:18] <SteveA> barry and I need to talk about htat
[04:18] <mwhudson> ok, pretty soon
[04:18] <barry> hopefully so, because mailing lists will be blocking on that
[04:19] <SteveA> any other comments?
[04:19] <SteveA> ok, thanks
[04:19] <SteveA>  * The launchpad-bazaar people who do not attend the main meeting would appreciate the meeting minutes being sent out by email (mwhudson)
[04:19] <danilos> isn't there a wiki page they can read?
[04:19] <mpt> There is, but I haven't been prompt in compiling it
[04:19] <mwhudson> i think a sufficiently cunning subscription might do this, on reflection
[04:20] <mpt> I could do that on Fridays from now on
[04:20] <danilos> mpt: ah, ok, I know you've been rocking with that before whenever I needed it
[04:20] <mwhudson> mpt: i think thumper and jml would appreciate that
[04:21] <mpt> Is there a launchpad-bazaar@ mailing list I could send to, or should I send the notes to launchpad@ as a whole?
[04:21] <SteveA> send notes to the launchpad list
[04:21] <SteveA> mwhudson: finished?
[04:21] <mpt> ok.
[04:21] <mwhudson> SteveA: yes
[04:21] <mpt> I shall do that.
[04:21] <SteveA> thanks mwhudson and mpt
[04:21] <SteveA>  * Blockers
[04:22] <matsubara> TEAM: infrastructure BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <jsk> TEAM: blueprint BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <flacoste> TEAM: answers BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <bigjools> TEAM: Soyuz BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <barry> TEAM: mailing lists BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <ddaa> TEAM: code hosting BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <statik> TEAM: commercialization BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <BjornT> TEAM: bug tracker BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <mpt> TEAM: UI-team-of-one BLOCKED: no
[04:22] <jtv> TEAM: translations BLOCKED: no
[04:23] <SteveA> great.  thanks everyone.
[04:23] <kiko> TEAM: kiko and 1.1.7: BLOCKED: stub for DB reviews and work, mthaddon to assist with various important tasks, BjornT, salgado, statik, thumper: post-sprint spec analysis and milestone plans
[04:23] <kiko> and on SteveA: bugzilla work review
[04:24] <SteveA> thanks
[04:24] <SteveA> kiko: we have some time left.  anything to do with the release cycle you want to talk about?
[04:24] <kiko> sure!
[04:24] <kiko> how is this week going?
[04:25] <sinzui> fantastic
[04:25] <kiko> any branches looking like they are in trouble?
[04:25] <carlos> kiko: mozilla XPI exports will not be ready
[04:25] <kiko> any 1.1.7 goals people are concerned about?
[04:25] <barry> kiko: my xmlrpc branches won't make it because of the previously described dependency
[04:25] <kiko> barry, right.
[04:25] <kiko> carlos, what's up?
[04:26] <carlos> kiko: I'm still finishing the infrastructure changes needed before implementing that and I doubt I will have it done tomorrow (I expect to finish infrastructure today)
[04:26] <allenap> kiko: Supporting Mantis will not be ready
[04:26] <jtv> I just got sick, so don't think I'll be able to do much more on online distroseries translation updates.
[04:26] <kiko> allenap, you forgot to ask me for my branch!
[04:26] <carlos> kiko: well, I think I would have it done next week, but will not follow the new rules so it would have to wait until next cycle to be deployed
[04:26] <allenap> kiko: I've not had time yet, too slow :( But I will ask soon
[04:26] <kiko> allenap, okay, no problem.
[04:27] <cprov> kiko: ArchiveRemovalRedesign won't be ready too.
[04:27] <kiko> carlos, well, at least import makes it
[04:27] <kiko> cprov, I think that's blocked on the IArchive work that bigjools is doing anyway, right?
[04:27] <carlos> kiko: yeah, will be focus on testing it deeply next week
[04:27] <cprov> kiko: I will have to sort implementation detail with julian next week
[04:27] <cprov> kiko: righto
[04:27] <kiko> cprov, yeah. with IArchive.distribution it might become a lot clearer
[04:27] <cprov> kiko: can we cope with that ?
[04:28] <kiko> yeah, that's fine
[04:28] <carlos> kiko: also, we will be able to test new export infrastructure in this cycle, so it shouldn't be so bad...
[04:28] <cprov> kiko: ok
[04:28] <kiko> carlos, that will be good. keep at the infrastructure and if the remaining firefox stuff is simple we could get it in as an exception for next week, if there's a reviewer free. but first things first.
[04:28] <carlos> sure
[04:29] <kiko> allenap, okay. the mantis work I have is a big hammer but it works and just needs tests -- if you're not too busy tomorrow you could actually finish up tests and put it up for review.
[04:29] <kiko> jtv, take some medicine and hack away, only one day remaining :-)
[04:29] <allenap> kiko: I'll give it a go!
[04:29] <kiko> allenap, it already does all the fetching, authentication and updating locally
[04:29] <kiko> it just does it in a very horrible way :)
[04:29] <kiko> and has no tests :)
[04:30] <kiko> okay.
[04:30] <kiko> anything else people want to bring up?
[04:30] <allenap> kiko: To be honest, I don't know my way around that area very well, so the chances are slim.
[04:30] <kiko> allenap, yeah, not a problem
[04:30] <kiko> SteveA, mwhudson: I'm not looking very favorably on cherry-picking for a lightning talk at europython..
[04:30] <kiko> do any of you want to make a case for it?
[04:31] <SteveA> it's not for a lightning talk
[04:31] <kiko> it's not?
[04:31] <SteveA> it's for demonstrating to potential users
[04:31] <stub> Sounds like a use for demo.lp.net
[04:31] <SteveA> we have a lot of potential users of just the sort we want to attract at EP
[04:31] <mwhudson> but there isn't bazaar.demo.lp.net is there?
[04:31] <jamesh> stub: we don't have a bazaar.demo.launchpad.net set up
[04:32] <kiko> why not set that up, then?
[04:32] <SteveA> so I think it's important we show bzr related stuff at its best
[04:32] <SteveA> even if we did
[04:32] <SteveA> it is not the same
[04:32] <kiko> SteveA, what's the concrete benefit from this cherry-pick?
[04:32] <kiko> I mean, in terms of what the end-user will see in a common case?
[04:32] <SteveA> see, if we get some people working on bzr branches from a demo site
[04:32] <SteveA> they won't continue to do so after EP
[04:33] <SteveA> getting projects from launchpad, eg python, will be a lot faster
[04:33] <SteveA> the initial branch or pull
[04:33] <mwhudson> kiko: waaaay faster initial push/pull is the main thing, i think
[04:33] <SteveA> and that's important for a good initial impression
[04:33] <kiko> mwhudson, like how much difference for a project the size of bzr?
[04:33] <kiko> seconds or minutes?
[04:33] <SteveA> don't make me give excuses when I'm trying to sell something :-)
[04:34] <kiko> helloooo
[04:34] <mwhudson> kiko: i'm not actually sure, trying to dig numbers out of my bazaar list folder
[04:35] <kiko> mwhudson, okay, ping me when you have something
[04:35] <kiko> if it's significant I will give it thumbs-up
[04:35] <mwhudson> kiko: something like ~4 minutes -> 20s
[04:35] <kiko> if it's not I won't
[04:35] <kiko> wow
[04:35] <kiko> really
[04:35] <kiko> mwhudson, how risky is the branch? will it cherry-pick fine?
[04:35] <mwhudson> that wasn't for a launchpad setup though
[04:35] <ddaa> even more for folks like you who have less-than-ideal connectivity
[04:36] <SteveA> or... at a conference with shared wifi
[04:37] <SteveA> the rest of this discussion can happen after the meeting
[04:37] <kiko> yes
[04:37] <mwhudson> kiko: i don't know the code very well, can dig into it
[04:37] <SteveA> meanwhile, mpt, would you chair next week's meeting?
[04:37] <SteveA> (danilo gave you a resounding endorsement earlier :-) )
[04:37] <kiko> heh
[04:37] <jamesh> kiko: it shouldn't really affect people who use sftp
[04:37] <mpt> SteveA, sure
[04:37] <SteveA> thanks mpt
[04:37] <SteveA> thank you everyone
[04:37] <kiko> jamesh, in terms of being a risk you mean?
[04:37] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:37] <jamesh> kiko: yes.
[04:38] <kiko> jamesh, would you +1 the cherry-pick based on your knowledge of the code?
[04:38] <kiko> just want to get an unbiased recommendation as I don't know the branch's impact
[04:38] <jamesh> kiko: the code paths diverge in the ssh server at the point where it picks between the sftp subsystem and running a command
[04:39] <kiko> jamesh, cool. is that a +1 though? :)
[04:39] <jamesh> kiko: the main possible problem is if the new code manages to take down the entire server
[04:39] <SteveA> so, there's little risk to the existing service.  there is a risk that the new HPSS service will not work well
[04:39] <jamesh> kiko: that said, the new code just spawns a bzr subprocess and forwards stdin/stdout
[04:40] <SteveA> I'll also note that as this doesn't touch database stuff, we can roll it back easily enough
[04:40] <jamesh> kiko: something that is pretty well tested in pretty much every ssh implementation :)
[04:40] <kiko> okayu
[04:40] <jamesh> kiko: I think the biggest risk is that it simply doesn't work.
[04:40] <kiko> thanks for your input, I'm +1ing it based on this.
[04:40] <kiko> thanks for the great answers.
[04:41] <SteveA> thanks for following a thorough process of examination, kiko
[04:41] <mwhudson> yeah, thanks kiko
[04:43] <jamesh> the other risk is that there is an exploitable vulnerability in the bzr code
[04:43] <jamesh> but I don't think that is particularly likely either
[04:43] <kiko> jamesh, well, yeah, but...
[04:59] <radix> isn't there a way to see someone's public ssh key on launchpad?
[05:00] <mwhudson> launchpad.net/~whoever/+sshkeys
[05:03] <mwhudson> radix: ^
[05:03] <radix> hmm
[05:04] <radix> yeah, ok
[05:04] <radix> sorry, I was confused because mfen gave me the wrong username :)
[05:45] <ubotu> New bug: #124221 in launchpad "Launchpad Needs a Data Preservation and Removal Policy" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124221
[07:05] <LaserJock> is there a way to push a "bug" from Malone to Answers?
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #124246 in launchpad "Location bar link is pointing to products/" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124246
[07:46] <LaserJock> BjornT: around?
[07:49] <BjornT> hi LaserJock
[07:49] <LaserJock> BjornT: do you know of any way to move a "bug" to Answers?
[07:50] <LaserJock> I remember some discussion of doing it automatically, but I don't think that's been done
[07:51] <BjornT> LaserJock: no, there's no easy way of doing that atm. it's planned to make it possible to convert a bug to a question and move it to the answer tracker.
[07:53] <BjornT> LaserJock: i'm not sure when that will be implemented, but it's on the roadmap for the next 6 months at least.
[07:53] <LaserJock> kiko!
[07:54] <LaserJock> just the man I was looking for
[07:54] <kiko> meeeee?
[07:54] <LaserJock> so I was looking at bug #124162 and bug #124163
[07:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124162 in launchpad-answers "special syntax for bug reports and comments on bugs?" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124162
[07:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124163 in launchpad-answers "add ability to preview bug reports and comments" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124163
[07:55] <LaserJock> the person has questions about Launchpad, bug reporting, so he filed a bug against launchpad-asnwers rather than on answers.launchpad.net
[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #124248 in launchpad-answers "Need a FAQ icon" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124248
[07:56] <LaserJock> should those stay as bugs or be moved to answers?
[07:57] <kiko> the latter looks like a bug to me
[07:57] <kiko> the former I'm not so sure about, but maybe
[07:58] <LaserJock> they should at least be retargeted to malone rather than launchpad-answers, right?
[08:00] <kiko> correct
[09:38] <flacoste> BjornT: about the conversion of bug to answers, I'll take care of adding the spec for that
[09:42] <jimqode> how do I get mentoring on a bug with mentoring offered?
[10:41] <Kmos> launchpad counts as another bug if affects upstream.. right ? it shouldn't..
[10:42] <kiko> huh?
[10:42] <Kmos> for example
[10:43] <Kmos> 4801 -> 4875  of 30335 results
[10:43] <Kmos> the total of bugs
[10:43] <Kmos> 30335
[10:43] <Kmos> has included the ones we set that affect upstream
[10:44] <Kmos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/75887
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 75887 in k3b "k3b can't find bin file in the same directory" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[10:44] <Kmos> this one for example
[11:01] <Dvyjones> Bye!
[11:01] <Dvyjones> Hade!
[11:01] <Dvyjones> Hej d!
[11:20] <goban> hi, i just made a lanuchpad project, is the way to upload the code register branch? thats asking for a URL but i havnt uploaded it anywhere else yet
[11:21] <kiko> goban, upload it first, then inform the URL
[11:22] <oojah> goban: Are you just wanting to upload a tar ball?
[11:22] <goban> yeah
[11:35] <goban> oojah, you there?
[11:35] <kiko> oh
[11:35] <oojah> Sorry
[11:35] <oojah> Yep, I am.
[11:35] <oojah> You need to do "Register a series" first iirc.
[11:36] <oojah> Then when you've done that you should be able to upload your source archive.
[11:36] <oojah> I've only done it the once mind :)
[11:42] <goban> ok thanks


[00:30] <mhall119> Vala is the new Gnome language, right?
[10:17] <bencrisford> i cant find the edubuntu-docs package for lucid :/
[11:06]  * bencrisford is a bit concerned about the amount of errors in the edubuntu-docs translations
[12:32] <mhall119> highvoltage: are you around today?
[15:23] <mhall119> highvoltage: stgraber: I still need a MOTU to review my packages, can you help?
[16:04] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i was working checking out an old edubuntu-docs bug today and i found a worrying amount of bugs in the about-edubuntu.xml files
[16:04] <bencrisford> the us translation if fine, but all of the others speak about jaunty rather than lucid..
[16:09] <bencrisford> if you like i can fix the ones i can see, upload them to my lp and then propose a merge?
[16:14] <Ahmuck> i know the ip address of the server and would like to connect to it via a vbox.  any suggestions?
[16:14] <Ahmuck> gpxe ?
[16:14] <Ahmuck> however i'm not sure how to set this up.
[16:15] <Ahmuck> i'm also trying to work out a issue with rosetta stone.  rosetta stone networked edition requires windows?  I'd wondered if i could run it under wine.  If not, in a vbox with an icon on the client that launches the windows detached.  anybody using this setup?
[16:17] <HedgeMage> Ahmuck: AFAIK all versions of Rosetta Stone require Win.  However, I'm the Community Advocate for Rosetta Stone under Crossover Linux -- so I can help you get it up and running when I'm not @ work.
[16:17] <HedgeMage> Ahmuck: I have no idea if it'll work in wine or not -- the patches to Crossover for RS are new-ish.
[16:17] <Ahmuck> Not all.  They are in the winedb
[16:17] <Ahmuck> i'll checkout crossover
[16:18] <HedgeMage> Yes, if they run on Wine they require Win -- Wine (which ironically stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator) is a Windoze emulator.
[16:18] <HedgeMage> Crossover is the commercial version of Wine.
[16:19] <HedgeMage> They used to be the same product, then they were forked, now they are back together again -- it's like a little software soap opera ;)
[16:20] <HedgeMage> Ahmuck: Anyhow, I have to get back to work.  If you need help ping me in a few hours.
[16:23] <Ahmuck> crossover is 69.99 per seat or 489.xx.  Windows Server 2008 is 659.00.  about 150.00 difference.  I'm wondering if i could solve everything by booting up Windows vbox windows within the client.
[16:23] <Ahmuck> i'll check back with you later today
[21:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ive fixed a bug in gbrainy
[21:35] <bencrisford> do i subscribe the ubuntu sponsors?  or edubuntu developers?  or what?
[23:01]  * Lns really doesn't like the direction ubuntu is going in... :( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue187
[23:01] <Lns> Shuttleworth decides to keep buttons on the left amidst a 20-80% vote to keep it on the right
[23:01] <Lns> I feel like they really dislike making LTS releases and all they want to do is keep changing how things work
[23:02] <Lns> someone give me some moral support here!
[23:04] <Lns> It's like a release comes out, then the "leads" never talk about it again and focus on the next version only. There's no love for people who need consistency.
[23:10] <alkisg> Yeah that logout applet thing was already too tiring (it's been changed 4-5 times in the last years), and now the buttons... they shouldn't change such basic stuff without very good reason
[23:11] <alkisg> There are a lot of books out there that describe the buttons on the right, moving them to the left causes problems to teaching
[23:12] <alkisg> But as for talking about LTS releases, well, once they're out, they're old news, noone likes hearing about old news...
[23:28] <Lns> alkisg, Agreed. I'm trying to hack together the old gnome-volume-applet to work in lucid, an older logout applet (or just leave it to the system menu) and put things the way they were before. Not even the older "Human" theme is shipping with it. At least WINDOWS let you go back to the original theme in XP!
[23:28] <Lns> It's times like these where I wish there was an LTSP distro, so *we* could determine what's best for our environments.
[23:29]  * alkisg notes that we can change some stuff in edubuntu ;)
[23:31] <Lns> right but it seems as though it's a constantly uphill battle with our own "upstream" of ubuntu


[03:54] <len-dt> Hmm, to late to test it seems sorry guys. My only comment is that we are still missing the photography and publishing metas.
[03:56] <len-dt> It may be an idea to just add the metas to the desktop as depends for now. We don't have any way of choosing what metas to not install anyway right now.
[04:03] <micahg> len-dt: let me take a quick look
[04:06] <len-dt> OK
[04:11] <micahg> len-dt: livecd-rootfs needs to be updated
[04:12]  * micahg attempts an update
[04:16] <micahg> len-dt: this should fix it, sorry that I didn't think of it before
[04:17]  * micahg isn't so familiar with all the image building tools yet
[04:17] <len-dt> Thankyou. When is the next ISO roll
[04:17] <micahg> should be around 1800 UTC
[04:17] <len-dt> I'll check after then
[04:17] <micahg> len-dt: is there a bug I should close?
[04:17] <len-dt> Bug #1057816
[04:20] <micahg> got it, thanks
[04:20] <len-dt> micahg, I closed 1028938 because the metas were already there and working
[04:20] <micahg> that's fine
[04:23] <micahg> len-dt: ok, should be in the queue momentarily
[04:23] <len-dt> Sounds great. Thank you again.
[04:24] <micahg> glad I finally figured it out :)
[04:26] <len-dt> That was the last thing on my list for this release.
[04:30]  * len-dt wanders off to bed
[04:30]  * micahg wishes he could do the same
[10:15] <smartboyhw> Just a remark: Anyone who has subscribed the  Studio testcases before mid-September in the ISO QA Tracker please re-subscribe, since the testcases are changed.
[10:35]  * smartboyhw finds that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure is really a bit messy:P
[10:36] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders is much clearer:P
[10:38] <astraljava> Yes, well, the other only describes one category only. Feel free to modify it, but don't lose any data.
[10:38] <smartboyhw> astraljava, I will just create another page for the draft:P
[10:39] <astraljava> Sure.
[10:49] <smartboyhw> astraljava, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamStructure/smartboyhwDraft and tell me what did I do wrong please:P
[11:07] <astraljava> Hmm... you should ask Scott. IMHO, it should still be team-based, not person-based.
[11:07] <astraljava> But I might be alone with my views, so show it around.
[11:20] <knome> i personally believe those teams that need member tracking can do it in launchpad
[11:20] <knome> and with this amount of contributors, it's a no-brainer to anybody in the community to know what others are working
[11:21] <knome> while the new format is more compact, it's harder to get a quick overview of "who is working on documentation", for example
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Hi scott-work
[13:25] <smartboyhw> scott-work, are you going to send the email to the release meeting today?
[13:25] <smartboyhw> astraljava, what do you think about the new team members page?:P
[13:32] <scott-work> good morning, smartboyhw , i was probably neither going to send an email or attend, too much going on at work currently
[13:32] <smartboyhw> scott-work, OK:P
[14:26] <holstein> smartboyhw: i gtg.. dont let them push you around in there ;)
[14:26] <smartboyhw> holstein, what?
[14:28] <smartboyhw> holstein, srsly, what are you talking about?:(
[15:06] <smartboyhw> scott-work, can I just help to take over sending the emails to the release team in the future? (Since I didn't see you sending the emails in the past few meetings and smartboyhw is free to send the emails:))
[15:09] <holstein> smartboyhw: i was just talking about the main support channel.. not letting anyone push you around while im gone
[15:09] <smartboyhw> holstein, ah
[15:24] <scott-work> smartboyhw: absolutely (re: sending emails)
[15:28] <micahg> scott-work: did you hear the news?  today's ISO if it builds should have all the metas on it
[15:37] <scott-work> micahg: i read the email exchange between you and len, i'm very happy to hear about this
[15:37] <scott-work> micahg: was the problem that we needed to "register" the meta's with cjwatsons software/repos/report/whatever it was?
[15:38]  * scott-work recalls now that when 'generation', 'recording' and other metas were initiated we needed to let cjwatson know
[15:38] <smartboyhw> scott-work, thx
[15:39] <micahg> scott-work: the metas that go on the live image are listed in the livecd-rootfs package
[15:45] <smartboyhw> Bye all
[22:39] <len-live> As of todays ISO we now have publishing and photography applications. Yahoo!
[23:49] <astraljava> Cool! But I prefer Google anyway.
[23:52] <len-dt> astraljava, ??
[23:52] <astraljava> re: len-live | [...] Yahoo!
[23:53] <astraljava> I apologize.
[23:54] <len-dt> Ok, I got it :)  Lens kinda out of sorts right now... someone cashed a post dated cheque I wort a few weeks before I have the money.
[23:55] <astraljava> Ouch.
[23:56] <len-dt> Ya, I need it for mortgage Monday
[23:56] <astraljava> I'm sorry... :(
[23:57] <len-dt> Oh well, I am sure it will get sorted out. Either the guy gives it back or I get the bank to reverse it.
[23:57] <astraljava> Right.
[23:57] <astraljava> Thumbs up!
[23:58] <astraljava> How is Vancouver doing, what with the lockout and all that?
[23:58] <len-dt> Anyway, US is about ready I think now.
[23:58] <astraljava> Great news!
[23:59] <len-dt> I am not sure... I don't watch the news much... and moved here to get away from Vancouver :)
[23:59] <astraljava> What, freenode?!