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[00:35] <directhex> в”Јв”Ѓв”«в”Јв”ів”›в”ѓв•єв”“в”Јв”Ѓв”«
[00:35] <directhex> в•№ в•№в•№в”—в•ёв”—в”Ѓв”›в•№ в•№
[00:35] <directhex> i think there's a race condition in these parts
[01:15] <Josh____> whoever said debian is a hard distro to run myth on, I disagree completely. It was relatively painless to set up, and I only had to enable one third-party repo.
[01:16] <hads> Thanks for letting us know.
[01:56] <spiderworm> i bought a case that came with a motherboard.  the motherboard had an onboard nvidia video card with HDMI out and onboard sound card.  i am trying to get the HDMI audio out working but im starting to suspect that my motherboard doesnt support audio through the HDMI cable.  is that possible?
[02:47] <baz_> directhex, how'd u do that
[03:59] <Technophil> Can anyone tell me what to do to change from a JYA repo to use the daily builds as noted at http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds please?
[03:59] <Technophil> I assume I untick his repo in synaptic, but then what?
[04:00]  * rhpot1991 waves at Technophil
[04:00] <hipitihop> spiderworm, I have a POV ION 330 board and I suspected the same thing. I had to go into alsamixer and enable the correct switch and also set mythtv sound output the HDMI
[04:01] <rhpot1991> hipitihop: he is gone I think
[04:02] <Technophil> rhpot1991: Great to see you here Dude!
[04:22] <Technophil> Hmmm  I've installed the daily build repo manager software, doing an update in synaptic it is telling me it will install nvidia-185-modaliases however my system is currently configured with 190.42, is that compatible or is a 190 version required?  (Should I mark and install or not?)
[04:41] <rhpot1991> Technophil: 190.42 should be available from the daily builds server, but you might be hitting some dependency issues there
[04:41] <rhpot1991> maybe see if installing nvidia-gld-190 or libvdpau1 first helps
[04:41] <rhpot1991> nvidia-glx-190
[04:44] <Technophil> nvidia-glx-190 is already installed, once JYA's repo is activated one uninstalls nvidia-glx-185 by installing nvidia-glx-190, which then pulls down the latest in his repo, which is also currently 190.42.
[04:45] <Technophil> libvdpau1  (0.2-0ubuntu15) is also already installed.
[04:48] <Technophil> Actually looking more into synaptic nvidia-185-modaliases is already installed and it is flagging it should be updated from "185.18.36-0ubuntu9" to  "185.18.36-0ubuntu9+ppa2".    nvidia-190-modaliases is there but not installed!  Hmmm  I guess that should be ok then.
[04:49] <hads> May be conflicting versions between repos. You can remove them and reinstall.
[04:49] <hads> Then you know you are using packages from the new repository.
[04:50] <Technophil> I wondered, but then it seems to be working ok with 190.42 installed under nvidia-185-modaliases  !
[04:51] <hads> It may well work fine with packages from both repositories installed.
[04:51] <Technophil> Will let you know!
[04:51] <hads> The modaliases is just for jockey - the Hardware Drivers applet.
[04:52] <hads> It's not actually something that's used day to day.
[04:52] <Technophil> ok thanks.
[04:53] <Technophil> Actually the daily builds only seems to include themes and not mythtv fixesxxxxx
[04:54] <rhpot1991> you prob have to dist-upgrade
[04:55] <hads> Yeah it does have mythtv packages.
[04:56] <Technophil> So the only advantages I can see with the JYA repo is that hes got some digital audio stuff and also added some debugging stuff.  Nvidia is as up to date.
[05:47] <jtmoney> i'm running regular ubuntu... if i add the myhbuntu repository, can i upgrade to 0.22 final? do i have to remove my current mythtv packages first?
[11:26] <spiderworm> i have this strange problem with gdm since upgrading to 9.10 where i have to log in multiple times before it finally takes me to the desktop environment.  anyone able to help?
[16:01] <Thrae|pc> Hi, I'm using the latest Mythbuntu x64 and I can't get my http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AVerTV_HD_A180 to find any channels. The module (saa7134) is properly loaded and there's no associated errors.
[16:02] <Thrae|pc> While scanning it shows signal bars for the correct frequencies, but MythTV setup says its not a valid channel. Additionally, if I manually add the channels by their frequency, and then try to tune in to any of them, it just sits there for a second and goes back to the main menu.
[16:03] <Thrae|pc> This is all HD-OTA using a dvb device.
[16:06] <Thrae|pc> Oh, I wouldn't be saying any of this if it didn't work just fine in Windows both 32-bit and 64-bit. Even Windows 7.
[16:08] <gregL> Thrae|pc, if you type in dmesg at the console does say the card firmware is loaded?
[16:10] <Thrae|pc> gregL: Yeah, dmesg is where I'm checking for errors. It's loading it and making /dev/adapter0
[16:15] <gregL> Thrae|pc, I know there has been some problems with loading the firmware in Ubuntu since the update,but i haven't paid attention to the details..You might try doing a search in the mailing list archive,or the ubuntu forums..
[16:16] <Thrae|pc> Hmm, wouldn't that give an error in dmesg usually?
[16:18] <gregL> Like i said i don't really know the issues,but either hang here for a while or check the ML or forums...
[16:20] <gregL> Thrae|pc, Do you have a different kernel available to you to try?  I tried earlier on 8.10 and still couldn't get channels, although this time it would say "cannot update tables" or some such crap.
[16:22] <Thrae|pc> If it was a problem with the kernel, it's been a problem for a while.
[16:23] <Thrae|pc> And that was a 32-bit kernel too on different hardware (except the same tuner).
[16:23] <Thrae|pc> Lemme try 8.04.1 just for laughs.
[16:25] <gregL> It's to bad you are having problems..My stuff just works....You can try using dvb scan (i think that s the name of the program) and import your channels that way...
[16:26] <Thrae|pc> gregL: Yeah, I already tried entering the frequencies by hand.
[16:26] <Thrae|pc> Not using dvb scan, but using the HD OTA table for my zipcode.
[16:28] <Thrae|pc> Just to note -- I know I have an old, cheap, crappy HD chipset. I don't feel I really have any room to complain, just looking for possible answers.
[16:31] <gregL> Did you let the scan run all the way till it was complete? I know also there is a problem with the channel scan.. I usually let it scan till it stops the for every pop up i chose ignore and it works for me..I don't have a a180 though mine is a air to pc..
[16:34] <Thrae|pc> Hmmm I had an idea. I could use MythTV or better yet XBMC and configure a script to change the default operating system to boot in grub's menu and issue a hard reboot command, so Windows would only be needed for the occasional HD OTA usage.
[16:38] <gregL> I think you can get that card working in Mythtv,it's just a matter of getting the right person to lend you a hand..
[16:40] <Thrae|pc> Well that would certainly be the easiest. Just thinking of other solutions with good ROI.
[17:04] <johannes__> Hi, I have (also) an upgrade problem related to nvidia and libvdpau. I think others might be run into the same problem. Could anyone give me a quick hint / link. Thanks
[17:07] <johannes__> Details can be found here: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/d6a910ec4
[17:07] <johannes__> contains dpkg -l nvidia*, dpkl -l mythtv* and the aptitude conflict messages
[17:43] <Thrae7> johannes__: Hmm, did you know the latest stable nvidia proprietary driver is 190.42? I think for best results you should be using that instead of 185.xx, which might fix the problem anyway.
[17:44] <Thrae7> johannes__: Overall, from my experience working with video chipset QA, when Nvidia releases a new *nix driver it's pretty stable.
[18:04] <johannes__> Thrae7: I tried installing 190
[18:04] <johannes__> the problem is: mythlib has a dependency to nvidia-180-libvdpau
[18:05] <johannes__> that can't be fullfilled
[18:05] <Thrae7> johannes__: Does 190.42 install its own version of libdpau?
[18:07] <cba123> I got an Acer Aspire Revo R1600, it has an Atom 1.6ghz chip, and an nvidia IONle GPU.  I put mythbuntu karmic on it, and it can handle 1080p with vdpau, but only if I kill mythfrontend first, since it only has 1gig ram.  If I run top over ssh I can see my ram is frequently 50meg free (without frontend) and goes up and down.  Does anyone have one of these and know any other tweaks?  I'll get more ram if I have to, put if
[18:07] <cba123>  anyone knows any other software tweaks I'd appreciate it.
[18:07] <johannes__> Thrae7: there is no own version of libdpau in 190
[18:08] <johannes__> it is contained in the deb
[18:08] <johannes__> so the files are there
[18:08] <johannes__> but not the hard coded dependency to nvidia-180-libvdpau
[18:11] <Thrae7> johannes__: Yeah if you can get the 190 equivalents then you can ignore that error and force it to install.
[18:12] <johannes__> Thrae7: Hmm. I try.
[18:12] <johannes__> thanks
[18:14] <johannes__> do you have a hint how I can "blacklist" a deb?
[18:14] <johannes__> nvidia-180-libvdpau can't be installed since it contains the same files as in nvidia-glx-190
[18:15] <Thrae7> johannes__: The problem is that it can't install the other deb, so if you use the correct force syntax it'll only install the mythtv crap.
[18:21] <johannes__> hmm
[18:21] <johannes__> does not work
[18:21] <johannes__> can't install  nvidia-180-libvdpau (conflicting files)
[18:22] <johannes__> but without it mythbackend doesn't start: error while loading shared libraries: libvdpau.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:22] <johannes__> bad luck
[18:26] <Thrae7> johannes__: I thought you said you installed the 190 version of libvdpau
[18:26] <johannes__> yes
[18:26] <johannes__> there is an conflict between nvidia-180-libvdpau and nvidia-190
[18:27] <johannes__> but it seems that not all files are installed
[18:27] <johannes__> so i am switching back to 185
[18:27] <Thrae7> johannes__: One second
[18:28] <Thrae7> johannes__: I think I can fix this for you to use 190.
[18:34] <tgm4883> why are you installing nvidia-180-libvdpau?
[18:34] <tgm4883> install libvbpau1 instead
[18:35] <tgm4883> johannes__, Thrae7 ^^
[18:35] <Thrae7> tgm4883: Whatever version of mythtv he's installing has nvidia-180-libvdpau has a dependency.
[18:35] <tgm4883> yea thats a known issue. Upgrade your packages from the mythbuntu-repos
[18:36] <johannes__> tgm4883: What should I do? I have mythbuntu-repos installed
[18:36] <tgm4883> johannes__, did you upgrade the mythtv packages?
[18:37] <johannes__> yes
[18:37] <johannes__> aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:37] <johannes__> mythtv-backend; 0.22.0+trunk22851-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1
[18:37] <tgm4883> ok
[18:37] <tgm4883> and you tried installing nvidia-glx-190
[18:38] <johannes__> yes
[18:38] <tgm4883> did that install fine?
[18:39] <johannes__> nvidia-glx-190 can only installed if mythtv* is removed
[18:39] <johannes__> since the dep problem related to nvidia-180-libvdpau
[18:40] <johannes__> the problem is libmyth-0.22.0
[18:40] <tgm4883> iirc, if you allow it to remove mythtv then installing -190 then you can install mythtv just fine afterwords
[18:40] <johannes__> there is a dependency: http://pastebin.com/d218f8e61
[18:40] <johannes__> to nvidia-185-libvdpau
[18:41] <johannes__> but the libmyth-0.22-0 version is 0.22.0+trunk22851-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu1
[18:41] <johannes__> is that the correct version? Do you have the same?
[18:41] <tgm4883> dpkg -l libmyth-0.22-0
[18:41] <tgm4883> hmm
[18:42] <tgm4883> mine is slightly older
[18:49] <Thrae7> johannes__: Is apt-cache searching libmyth from the mythbuntu repo? Since it may be getting it from a deb you already downloaded from the main ubuntu repo.
[18:49] <johannes__> Thrae7: how can I find out?
[18:50] <Thrae7> johannes__: Try apt-cache gencaches
[18:50] <Thrae7> Then check the depends again
[18:51] <johannes__> nothing changed
[18:53] <Thrae7> johannes__: Try apt-cache -i depends
[18:53] <errr-or> hi, i installed mythbuntu with my dvb-s2 card. i can watch tv in mythbuntu (does sometimes crash and i get back to the menu). i installed kaffeine today for easy tv watching :) i can setup my tv card, its also displayed but if want to scan for channels it says no device found... any hints?
[18:54] <errr-or> ah and no error message displayed in terminal
[18:55] <Thrae7> errr-or: Does it say DVB-S2 MODULATION FOUND when you start it from a terminal?
[18:57] <errr-or> hmm doesnt say anything now.
[18:57] <errr-or> just starts
[18:58] <Thrae7> errr-or: What version does it show?
[18:58] <errr-or> Kaffeine: 1.0-pre2
[19:00] <errr-or> on ubuntu it worked. now i installed mythbuntu from scratch and now it doesnt.. but in mythtv it works.
[19:00] <johannes__> ok. thanks for your help. see you later
[19:01] <Thrae7> errr-or: http://kaffeine.kde.org/?q=faq#question20
[19:01] <errr-or> i use firmware dvb-fe-cx24116-<IP_ADDRESS>.fw
[19:02] <errr-or> ah mom
[19:02] <errr-or> found the error. :)
[19:03] <errr-or> i had to stop mythtv-backend
[19:03] <errr-or> now it works
[19:03] <Thrae7> Ah, it probably locked the device
[19:03] <errr-or> yes, good to know :)
[19:29] <jortan> Using Mythbuntu 9.10 and trying MythBrowser. I can't find any way to add bookmarks. Where do I do that?
[19:42] <jortan> Found it. Press 'm' and there is the menu.... sorry
[20:27] <pulaski> Hello, I run kubuntu 9.10 karmic koala, I recently installed mythtv in a couple of steps.  I believe I began by using apt-get to install the mythbuntu-control-center, then apt-get install mythtv.  I have found mythtv to be to cumbersome for my old box and a bit of overkill for simply watching dvds through an external player. Now I wish to remove the whole works. I removed the two packages I had installed but the MythTV
[20:27] <pulaski>  Frontend (MythTV Veiwer) remains.  Does anyone know what that package called so I may remove it?
[20:33] <hads> dpkg -l | grep mythtv
[21:44] <jeffjeffdejeff> where do i find the log grabber please? i think it's disappeared. :(
[21:45] <hads> It's called mythbuntu-log-grabber
[21:45] <jeffjeffdejeff> thought it was available from menu. do i run that from the terminal?
[21:46] <jeffjeffdejeff> not installed.  installing now.  that's wierd
[21:47] <jeffjeffdejeff> need to find out what's going on.  can't watch tv.  have numerous recordings with no file found, can't delete them from "manage recordings"  grrr.
[21:49] <jeffjeffdejeff> brilliant - thanks hads.  needed to chmod 771 /var/lib/mythtv/recordings
[21:49] <jeffjeffdejeff> *777
[21:49] <jeffjeffdejeff> god this thing keeps throwing me curveballs.
[22:00] <hads> No worries
[22:10] <jeffjeffdejeff> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f3fccbfdd any suggestions as to why i can burn a dvd of a recording?
[22:27] <ernstp> how do I merge channels from xmltv and from dvb-scan?
[22:27] <ernstp> they show up as different channels


[00:46] <amejia> hi
[00:47] <amejia> someone here was asking me if packaging for debian will be done so
[00:47] <amejia> i changed nick 'ceros > amejia'
[01:14] <superm1> amejia: haven't heard from you in a while on where things were at in trying to get the package in debian based off the current mythbuntu bzr packaging
[01:14] <superm1> any updates on that stuff?
[01:19] <amejia> superm1: well, can mythtv use system libav?
[01:20] <superm1> amejia: well upstream is still against that
[01:20] <amejia> ffmpeg?
[01:20] <amejia> system ffmpeg?
[01:20] <superm1> they've got code on the ffmpeg stuff that won't be upstreamed to upstream ffmpeg
[01:21] <superm1> from what I understand
[01:21] <amejia> have they tried asking libav or ffmpeg devs?
[01:21] <amejia> i hear they're much more forthcoming with proposed changes since their fork
[01:22] <superm1> oh really?
[01:22] <amejia> it's a long story
[01:22] <amejia> they should really attempt to get their changes in
[01:22] <superm1> if you're more familiar with what's gone on, maybe it's best you run it by the mythtv devs that were against it
[01:23] <amejia> in the case for debian/ubuntu, they are going with using libav
[01:23] <amejia> ok
[01:24] <amejia> long story short, mythtv would have to be modified to use system libav in order to be uploaded to debian
[01:24] <amejia> so far i've been tied up with xbmc's packaging, so i haven't had time to look at mythtv
[01:25] <superm1> i see
[01:25] <superm1> well i'm sure that will take some convincing
[01:26] <superm1> ffmpeg in tree has been refactored to be it's own directory that's more easily resynced http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-05-06
[01:26] <Zinn> [irc.mythtv.org] Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv
[01:32] <superm1> oh the other complication I guess is that they're pre-split, so i don't know they have decided which they're going to be syncing with (libva or ffmpeg)
[16:59] <sabhain> Does anyone know what can cause a hesitation (5-10 second freeze) in playback of recordings and live TV at the top and bottom of the hour?
[17:00] <sabhain> new behavior creeping into a really established (5+ years of stable use) backend / frontend.
[17:16] <rhpot1991> sabhain: sounds like you have a new recording kicking in
[17:16] <rhpot1991> I used to see that once upon a time but it has since gone away for me
[17:31] <superm1> that happens on my box as well
[17:32] <superm1> it hasn't bothered me enough to look into it, but i've heard it's because of all the constant mysql use at that time
[17:32] <superm1> which doesn't really match up with the behavior on my box unfortunately because mysql is on a separate drive from the recordings
[18:12] <cperrin88> Hey
[18:12] <cperrin88> I'm searching for a nice DVB-S2 card but I'm unsure what I should buy
[18:13] <cperrin88> Preferably with HD support
[18:13] <cperrin88> has anyone a suggestion
[18:27] <sabhain> rhpot1991: I've checked .. it's not always the case.  It could be just watching live TV when one show ends and another begins.
[18:27] <sabhain> there must be a show changeover buffer or something, right?
[18:28] <sabhain> I really wonder why it would never happen, and then start happening all of a sudden .. sort of worried about HD error or something catastrophic lurking.
[18:28] <rhpot1991> sabhain: in livetv yes
[18:28] <rhpot1991> it starts a new "recording" for the new program
[18:28] <sabhain> oic
[18:29] <sabhain> what started to catch my eye is if I'm watching a recording .. no one is watching anything else, and nothing is being recorded .. and it still happens as the top of the hour passes.
[18:29] <sabhain> maybe I have some cron job running that I don't know about ..
[18:35] <rhpot1991> sabhain: are you up to date?
[18:37] <superm1> rhpot1991: i'm up to date (24-fixes) and it certainly still happens for me at the top of the hour too
[18:38] <rhpot1991> weird it used to happen to me but hasn't in forever
[18:38] <rhpot1991> gotta be a hardware bottleneck I'd think
[18:38]  * rhpot1991 waits for mrand to point out that rhpot1991 always blames the hardware
[18:50] <sabhain> rphot1991: I generally don't stay up to date when things are stable, but I did let the updates run over the weekend, so yes.
[18:51] <sabhain> ...!!... but I didn't yet update my diskless image, so maybe that's compounding my issue?
[18:52]  * sabhain thinks updating a stable working mythtbuntu implementation is playing with fire.
[18:52] <rhpot1991> shark attacks are fun
[19:05] <mrand> rhpot1991 always blames hardware, even when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
[19:05]  * mrand goes back to sleep
[22:06] <Ankhwatcher> hi
[22:17] <Ankhwatcher> When I try to set up myth export it fails because my mysql database has a different name than it expects
[22:17] <Ankhwatcher> it might be reading these values from the myth config files
[22:18] <Ankhwatcher> where are they?
[22:32] <superm1> Ankhwatcher: /etc/mythtv
[22:32] <superm1> or ~/.mythtv
[22:32] <superm1> or /home/mythtv/.mythtv
[22:32] <superm1> depending on how it's getting executed
[22:32] <superm1> rhpot1991: mythexport question^
[22:36] <Ankhwatcher> ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to database 'mythconverg'
[22:37] <Ankhwatcher> I can't find any incorrect settings in .mythtv/mysql.txt or config.xml
[22:37] <Ankhwatcher> but my database is called mythdata not mythconverg
[22:38] <superm1> Ankhwatcher: rhpot1991 should be able to answer with the exact place that it's getting the information from
[22:38] <superm1> when he gets back
[22:39] <Ankhwatcher> okay, cool
[22:39] <Ankhwatcher> well I'll check back on my away log in a while to see if he got back to me
[22:39] <Ankhwatcher> thanks for your help
[23:45] <rhpot1991> oh weird how do you not have mythconverg?
[23:46] <rhpot1991> Ankhwatcher: ^
[23:46] <rhpot1991> I'm not sure I ever considered that possibility, I'll have to look at the code and see what you can do


[00:00] <Quozl>  https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati/issues/164
[00:05] <jeremy31> You might need to start a new bug, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs file against package linux
[00:08] <Quozl> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1406810 if you want the ubuntu flavour of the bug.
[00:09] <jeremy31> Quozl: need to file a new one as six year old reports are likely to be ignored
[00:09] <Quozl> #1024507 also, if my notes are correct.


 https://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1696055855739350561 @Ivoriesablaze
 So any insights on Oracle charging for Java?
 Java was promised to be write once, run anywhere.  You write it today and it could be running on a refrigerator 20 years from now.  But apparently that's been a lie.
 Do an upgrade and you lose the ability to run the software?  Java is now ransomware?
 That is news to me, I was not are they were charging for the runtime
 Just got an update for Java that said it was not effected but next update would be.
 Jre
 https://www.itassetmanagement.net/2018/05/01/oracle-to-charge-for-java-from-jan-2019/
 Gnu gcj just shut down.  The classpath project is on Java5.  This is really bad.
 Wow, that is really going to kill Java on the desktop faster
 Yeah.  Not sure what the goal here is.
 Certainly they are trying to push people to another platform.
 Yup, that may also be what was driving Google's decision to embrace Kotlin
 It's a quick buck at the expense of everyone's expectations and a company image.
 Not sure what to do about this.
 OpenJRE/OpenJDK?
 Not perfect but it may work in some cases
 Nope.  They specifically mentioned openjdk as chargeable.
 Also @AdamOutler gcj has technically been depreciated for a few years, plans to remove it from GCC have dated back to 2015
 Yeah.
 But yes, I do agree that this will hurt companies like yours who use a lot of Java
 I'm hoping Apache Foundation steps in to revitalize the OpenJDK and GCJ
 I know my personal team has not done anything with Java for a few years but I know of some systems in our company that use it
 I am shocked I have not seen it earlier
 Yeah.  I use it a lot.
 I am sure that some (not all) if your things can be ported over to another language but is the time investment worth it to offset the license costs
 Not sure.  We just finished a multi-month project in java.
 Maybe they want to kill it off
 I had seen the notification a few weeks back
 It's a quick buck at the expense of a whole platform.
 That's oracle
 I do support killing off Java on the desktop but that is the worst way to do it in my opinion
 I agree.
 But at least it will be quick
 The reality is they've taken something that was free and expected to be free forever with promises that you write once and run anywhere and started to charge for it.
 There is nothing to fully fill that gap
 I wonder how this will effect blueray players that use Java heavily.
 I assume those companies license Java so it won't be an issue
 It won't. Not until they upgrade the jvm in those.
 Oracle is basically going to use security flaws to cause businesses to upgrade.
 Unless this is a follow up on oracle vs google
 @AdamOutler, And I bet they never do - which makes me wonder how many massive security flaws are in Blu Ray players 🙉. I guess they have a limited attack scope in most cases but ...
 Until they become smart blue ray players.
 Java litterally runs everywhere.
 Every single credit card with a chip runs java.
[14:50] <maxolasersquad> Damn. And I've been upgrading our one Java app to be more maintainable. I guess we'll be rewriting that single app sooner or later.
[15:10] <maxolasersquad> It seems that OpenJDK should be free (as in beer and speach) indefinitely. Anyone know otherwise?
 @maxolasersquad, Sort of - the license applies to all current versions and previous versions as there is not really much of a exit clause for GPL'ed code. This would also complicate some of the new versions code as well
 If course, new features and re-written code to replace functions that were once GPLed would start the process to close up that problem


[02:06] <daftykins> thar we go more places are reporting intel shipping bad Atom C2000s and keeping it quiet, now
[02:07] <zmoylan-pi> whoopsie
[08:04] <kn1ghtw0rk> morning peeps
[08:27] <SuperMatt> g'day
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:16] <foobarry_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/761180/wifi-doesnt-work-after-suspend-after-16-04-upgrade seems to affect quite a few ppl
[09:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Safer Internet Day! 😃
[09:50] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls
[09:52] <diplo> Morning all
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning
[10:48] <popey> foobarry_: yeah
[11:04] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs safest song on the planet :)
[15:10] <diplo> Anyone here an ansible user ?
[15:11] <diplo> Trying to svn+ssh on a new install, want to use a priv key fron my machine ( already put pub on svn server )
[15:13] <diplo> Trying to svn+ssh on a new install, want to use a priv key fron my machine ( already put pub on svn server )
[15:13] <diplo> oops focus on wrong screen :P
[15:23] <diplo> Fixed it (need to except the key manually, need to work around that now! ) and also help is you type /var/www and not /var/wwww
[15:26] <diddledan> popey: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4M_0_UUYAE_LNe.jpg:large
[15:34] <popey> diddledan: haha, love that
[15:34] <diddledan> lol, I didn't mean to target that to you, was meant as a general for everyone :-p
[15:35] <diddledan> oops @ tabfail
[15:35] <daftykins> eat both!
[15:35] <daftykins> yay my mums boot-looping LG G4 is going back under a 2 year warranty
[15:35] <diddledan> daftykins: what does bear taste like?
[15:35] <daftykins> it's the CPU cores desoldering apparently
[15:35] <diddledan> \o/
[15:36] <diddledan> I've got an intel ATOM cpu which is gonna have to go back when asrock acknowledge the problem (it's a flaw in the atom that causes complete failure after 18 or so months of use)
[15:37] <diddledan> ref: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/06/cisco_intel_decline_to_link_product_warning_to_faulty_chip/
[15:37] <daftykins> ja, whats yours in?
[15:37] <diddledan> on an asrock mobo
[15:37] <diddledan> self-build nas
[15:37] <daftykins> SFF PC though or wha?
[15:38] <daftykins> oic
[15:38] <diddledan> this jobbie: http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=C2750D4I
[15:39] <daftykins> funky
[15:40] <ali1234> 18 months? that's terrible. loads of people will just think it died without knowing why
[15:40] <diddledan> yeah
[15:41] <daftykins> well it's in the docs now
[16:55] <ali1234> hey popey, i just found out about your "double click URl in gnome-terminal" problem
[16:55] <ali1234> xfce4-terminal and terminator have a setting for double click chars, it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/n9cvqqc.png
[16:55] <ali1234> they both include ":" so it matches the whole URL
[16:56] <ali1234> gnome-terminal either removed this setting or never had it, and they don't include ":" in their defaults
[16:57] <ali1234> but looks like you can change it directly in the dconf: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/290544/double-click-selection-in-gnome-terminal
[17:39] <Laney> or right click and copy url
[17:44] <davmor2> or right click and open url :)
[17:57] <Laney> depends what you want to do
[17:58] <davmor2> Laney: indeed
[17:59] <marshmn> I don't know much about "WiFi Direct"; but I have a printer that supports it; what I'd like to know is, if I have a laptop connected to regular WiFi - and then I want to print from the printer using WiFi Direct, does that mean I'll have to drop my regular WiFi connection in order to do that?
[17:59]  * Laney copies davmor2 to the clipboard
[18:00] <marshmn> I'm assuming that it works by the printer having it's on WiFi AP in it basically?
[18:00] <marshmn> perhaps if I plug a USB WiFi dongle into the laptop then I can have two WiFi connections - one to the regular WiFi and one to the WiFi Direct printer?
[18:01] <daftykins> marshmn: yes you have to hop network
[18:01] <marshmn> ok
[18:01] <davmor2> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[18:01] <daftykins> but if the printer has this feature, can it not just go *on* your wifi network?
[18:02] <daftykins> because that'd be more common...
[18:03] <marshmn> daftykins: yes, that's possible - I'm just trying to understand the options right now; it's a mobile printer so there is the additional hassle of having to get that added to the WiFi network at the venue (as well as laptop etc.)
[18:03] <marshmn> but it's certainly an option
[18:03] <daftykins> if you did employ a USB wifi dongle, you could use the packages that let you run one as an access point - then have the printer configured to join that
[18:04] <marshmn> yeah, was also thinking that
[18:04] <daftykins> then instead of you hopping to the printer, the printer joins you (when the device is plugged in)
[18:04] <marshmn> yeah
[18:04] <marshmn> I think I might go that way
[18:04] <daftykins> though i'd sooner put a cable in
[18:04] <marshmn> which is another option :)
[18:04] <diddledan> I always shove my dongle in ports
[18:06] <marshmn> you should ask permission first
[18:06] <daftykins> ^ and at least buy dinner
[19:33] <diddledan> when is pulseaudio getting put into systemd? *duck*
[19:34] <diddledan> I just heard tar is getting put in now (ref: bsdnow)
[19:34] <diddledan> it's gonna be called tard
[19:36] <davmor2> diddledan: man we just need and is command and we can time travel
[19:36] <diddledan> lol
[19:37] <diddledan> also is wayland getting put in systemd yet?
[19:43] <diddledan> giant lizards are invading: https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/829777392038182913
[19:44] <popey> ali1234: yeah, they removed it :(
[19:44] <popey> silly rabbits
[19:45] <davmor2> diddledan: that's not a lizard that's just a really bad rendition of snakes on a plane where the sfx guy need to scale down the snake
[19:45] <popey> ali1234: that worked, magic, thank you :)
[19:46] <ali1234> popey: i just mentioned it to some xfce terminal devs cos they were discussing https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=854585
[19:46] <ali1234> apparently it does not affect xfce4-terminal as they used the url regex from gnome-terminal
[19:47] <ali1234> and they told me about the double click chars thing
[19:47] <ali1234> funny bug though... arbitrary code execution by clicking on a url
[19:59] <popey> oops
[20:00] <ali1234> and that's why you don't right click -> open i suppose
[21:05] <diddledan> did ubuntubsd die? https://www.ubuntubsd.org/
[21:07] <daftykins> check the channel?
[21:07]  * diddledan looks-out over the solent
[21:08] <diddledan> there's a lot of seafog
[21:08]  * daftykins waves a flag on the northern tip of the island
[21:08] <diddledan> aren't you supposed to flash a torch in a special pattern?
[21:09] <daftykins> well that proved to be too distracting to the series of opera singers which stand on the coastline singing out to provide our off-island data links
[21:10] <diddledan> lmao
[21:10] <diddledan> I thought they were for when it's foggy
[21:13] <daftykins> they're the upgrade to the fires, yip
[21:14] <daftykins> the torch batteries were proving prohibitively expensive
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> pfft, in ireland in 70s we tried nuclear batteries for our lighthouses... :-)
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> good enough for space probes, good enough for remote unoccupied wastelands
[21:21] <diddledan> green light
[21:22] <diddledan> why is green assumed for radiation/toxic stuff
[21:22] <diddledan> ?
[21:23] <zmoylan-pi> maybe because of radium watch dials which glowed green?
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> and killed a few people who used to paint watch dials.  now if you bring in ancient watches from that time they can be treated as toxic waste
[21:25] <daftykins> D:
[21:25] <diddledan> I had a toy car with that in the windows to make it glow
[21:26] <diddledan> least I assume it was the same stuff
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> i think by the time they stopped using it in 70s they used a lot lot less
[21:26] <zmoylan-pi> now lick your lead paint and shush... :-P
[21:27] <daftykins> diddledan: come help me remove this funny dust insulation stuff...
[21:27] <daftykins> it smells funny
[21:28] <diddledan> speaking of which, my flat is gonna have an asbestos survey in the foreseeable
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> and we lose 1000s every year from radon gas now that we build insulated homes with no draughts to flush the gas
[21:29] <daftykins> but i like playing draughts
[21:30]  * zmoylan-pi lived in house with such draughts in winter that i made a kite out of a postage stamp and flew it indoors for amusement...
[21:34] <zmoylan-pi> the long winter nights really flew when you had a postage stamp kite... :-P
[21:34] <diddledan> lol
[21:34] <diddledan> they were simpler times
[21:35] <daftykins> :D
[21:35] <zmoylan-pi> it was also at the time building model gliders out of wood veneer and greaseproof paper
[21:35] <diddledan> I'm guessing you didn't have electricity even
[21:35] <daftykins> with that supply he could've had an indoor wind farm!
[21:35] <diddledan> I had one of those
[21:35] <diddledan> I never built it
[21:36] <zmoylan-pi> well one of my gliders was powered by a rubber band motor i built into a bic pen tube using an icecream wooden spoon as a propeller...
[21:42] <daftykins> action shot of zmoylan-pi https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-old-man-in-aviator-goggles-200487461.jpg
[21:44] <diddledan> isn't that one of the chuckle brothers?
[21:46] <daftykins> :D
[22:07] <ali1234> radium does glow green. but modern glow-in-the-dark stuff is not (as) radioactive
[22:08] <ali1234> it doesn't work the same way... if you ever noticed that glow-in-the-dark items have to be "charged up" by putting them in light, that is why
[22:09] <ali1234> radium doesn't need that
[22:10] <diddledan> popey: what happened to popey.com?
[22:10]  * diddledan just spotted your keybase id shows it as unreachable - tried accessing myself and you're offline :-(
[22:11] <diddledan> ali1234: aah
[22:11] <ali1234> some glow-in-the-dark stuff does still use radioactivity, but it uses tritium instead of radium
[22:11] <ali1234> and its pretty rare
[22:12] <ali1234> in fact radium doesn't glow green at all
[22:12] <ali1234> it's the phosphors that do that
[22:12] <ali1234> when bombarded with radiation
[22:13] <ali1234> so radioactive waste glowing green is a 100% myth :)
[22:15] <zmoylan-pi> some articles describe a lot of different colours from a lot of different materials
[22:15] <ali1234> yes, phosphors dont have to be green
[22:15] <ali1234> but they are usually the brightest
[22:15] <ali1234> CRTs have red green and blue phosphors in them :)
[22:16]  * zmoylan-pi puts duct tape over the glowing blue radiation as it's so bloody annoying... :-P
[22:16] <ali1234> also high power LED lights work by having a blue LED illuminating phosphors which then re-emit the energy as white light
[22:17] <ali1234> because blue LEDs are the brightest
[22:18] <ali1234> this is also why LED lights glow for a bit after you turn them off
[22:18] <ali1234> the phosphors are still "charged"
[22:41] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/wesgeorge/status/829822138039336960
[22:50] <daftykins> yay at the telco support guy sorting out the certificate to restore functionality
[22:50] <daftykins> he also said kudos for using Linux, but i tricked him!
[22:50] <zmoylan-pi> in daftykins pc's linux uses you... :-P
[22:53] <daftykins> i do have servers and VMs :P
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> did you say shiboleet? http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/806:_Tech_Support
[23:02] <daftykins> >:D
[23:03] <daftykins> i just put in a few comments to ensure i wouldn't get the usual browser cache clearing rubbish response
[23:06] <daftykins> diddledan: also, a much delayed "To me, to you" is in order
[23:07] <zmoylan-pi> i put episodes of star trek on in the background.  it really gets their attention focused... :-)
[23:08] <diddledan> I sleep to the sounds of a warp reactor
[23:08] <daftykins> easy, B'elanna
[23:08] <diddledan> she was soo gorgeous
[23:08] <diddledan> those forehead ridges were to die for
[23:09] <daftykins> pff i thought you were going to say you saw the one where she's human
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> i never really liked b'elanna.  she wasn't klingony enough to my mind
[23:09] <diddledan> while I love Jeri Ryan, I don't really get the love for the 7of9 character
[23:10] <diddledan> her story was interesting, however
[23:10] <daftykins> i'm on a watch through on season 2 right now, so she's not turned up
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> she was a human who'd missed out on childhood and was trying to work out how to be a human
[23:10] <daftykins> Janeway should have made her serve tea on the bridge
[23:10] <diddledan> she can sang!
[23:11] <daftykins> did you guys see the 2016 film 'Arrival' ? that was neat
[23:11] <diddledan> oh me darlin', oh me darlin'
[23:11] <diddledan> not yet
[23:11] <diddledan> really wanna see it though
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> i recently watched enterprise again for first time in years.  made it all the way through.  it has finally grown on me... or there's not enough good sci fi on elsewhere...
[23:12] <daftykins> ah har
[23:12] <daftykins> i have some but never tried
[23:12] <zmoylan-pi> though they did wayyyyy to much t'pol in the decontamination room
[23:12] <daftykins> but she was very, very contaminated
[23:13] <diddledan> I really wanna watch season 2 of the expanse. it's started in the US in the past couple of weeks, I think?
[23:13] <daftykins> yep
[23:13] <daftykins> i'm not sure i even finished s1 properly, but yeah it showed some promise
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> i tried the first episode of the expanse and while it impressed me it didn't make me watch the rest of the season
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> i'll probably go back to it when i can binge watch
[23:13] <diddledan> they actually use real physical space flight
[23:14] <daftykins> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/09/mac_malware_rash/ :D
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> that impressed me in first episode of the bird flying in zero g
[23:14] <diddledan> none of this "go. stop. now come around the back like a fighterjet"
[23:15] <diddledan> damn, daftykins, now I need to go wash my mac in soapy water!
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> i learned all my space fighting skills in elite... leave engine at 50% and constantly changing direction threw off the enemies aim a lot allowing you to plug them :-P
[23:16] <diddledan> https://www.countable.us/articles/237-preliminary-impeachment-inquiry-filed-president-trump
[23:17] <daftykins> ooh my
[23:17] <diddledan> it's getting crazy over there
[23:18] <ali1234> the best tactic in eleite: stop as soon as pirates are on your scanner and snipe them. you have far better range than they do
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> it will go nowhere with the republican majority
[23:18] <diddledan> also the 9th circuit just ruled that the arab-nation/muslim ban must remain blocked
[23:18] <zmoylan-pi> but but... it's not as chaotic and fighty as my method ali1234!! :-)
[23:18] <daftykins> huh? block the ban? :P
[23:18] <ali1234> you can also avoid them entirely by not flying to the planet in a straight line
[23:18] <diddledan> daftykins: ban^2
[23:19] <diddledan> ban the ban!
[23:19] <zmoylan-pi> so if they block the block that blocked the ban does achmed get welcomed in customs? :-/
[23:19] <daftykins> hit it square in the ban!
[23:19] <diddledan> ouch
[23:19] <diddledan> that sounds nasty
[23:20] <zmoylan-pi> english can be such an inpercise language at times...
[23:20] <diddledan> I'll have you know my thingy is perfectly fine!
[23:21] <zmoylan-pi> it's his doohickey that's wonky
[23:21] <daftykins> a good workman doesn't blame his tools, zmoylan-pi!
[23:22] <zmoylan-pi> well you use windows so what would be the point... :-P
[23:22] <diddledan> haha
[23:22] <diddledan> that's a good one
[23:22] <daftykins> :P
[23:23] <ali1234> as for trump. republicans would be quite happy to see him gone and have pence instead. they are just waiting for the public to turn first.
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, there's a large mad section of trump supporters who'd gut the republicans if they tried that
[23:24] <ali1234> no, that group is not as large as everyone thinks. they are just super loud
[23:24] <zmoylan-pi> and republicans fear loud
[23:25] <ali1234> not really. trump is pretty much guaranteed to mess up seriously at some point
[23:25] <ali1234> he will lose widespread support at that point
[23:25] <zmoylan-pi> considering what he's done so far and hasn't had much republicans standing up to him, i'm not so sure
[23:26] <ali1234> the hardcore will still love him, but they are a tiny group, like the tea party was
[23:26] <ali1234> republicans won't stand up to him until *after* he messes up
[23:26] <ali1234> he is doing bad stuff, but so far there has been no real bad results from it
[23:30] <ali1234> when it happens, it will be over something that's not part of his rhetoric and completely unexpected
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> his tweeting about melanias business dealings may be one of the straws
[23:31] <ali1234> yeah, but not the final one. it will be used against him when the time comes though
[23:32] <diddledan> and in the shenanigans news department we have: https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/featured/french-man-sues-uber-after-privacy-bug-led-wife-to-suspect-adultery/
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> his not been in the situation room for the raid in yemen will be another
[23:32] <ali1234> they're building a case against him for sure
[23:32] <ali1234> but they need a slam dunk to convince the population, not just a load of "minor" things
[23:33] <ali1234> once they have that he'll be gone so fast it makes the last two weeks look pedestrian
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> they that live by the cloud find their data is used to hurt them later... not as catchy as die by the cloud but what the hey...
[23:33] <zmoylan-pi> it won't be fasst. it will take 2 years or so once the snowball starts rolling of legal shenanigans
[23:34] <daftykins> find their shirts are wrinkled by the cloud...? :)
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> but i mentioned placing a bet in bookies of trump not lasting the 4 years and someone in another channel had already checked and the odds been offered were not good
[23:35] <ali1234> bookies never offer good odds :)
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> there were even allowing for that not good
[23:35] <ali1234> not surprising. might be worth making the opposite bet. at least then you have something to look forward to either wway
[23:42] <diddledan> "and God said unto Moses 'Come Forth', but he came fifth, and got his money back"
[23:46]  * zmoylan-pi leaves this irish bit of graffiti here... http://www.newstalk.com/content/000/images/000011/11586_60_news_hub_multi_630x0.jpg
[23:48] <daftykins> ;]
[23:51] <diddledan> lol
[23:53] <diddledan> WordPress arbitrary post creation exploit gets a new twist: https://blog.sucuri.net/2017/02/rce-attempts-against-the-latest-wordpress-rest-api-vulnerability.html
[23:55] <diddledan> the T-man has replied! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829836231802515457
[23:55] <diddledan> presumably that's about the 9th circuit decision
[23:56] <daftykins> i wanted it to read 'at steak'
[23:56] <diddledan> that would have been gold
[23:58] <zmoylan-pi> well it will the papers busy...
[23:59] <diddledan> will it now?!
[23:59] <diddledan> I've often willed the papers busy


[03:49] <holman> meena: 1773 merged
[03:57] <holman> meena: I didn't realize openrc is using a service wrapper. I thought thought the !systemd branch was just sysv not the union of sysv and openrc.
[04:16] <holman> meena: yeah scratch my request I don't think it makes sense in light of that information
[11:48] <meena> who's got opinions on versioning of development versions?
[11:49] <meena> I have https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=266847 cloud-init-devel-22.4 (and will be bumping the revision every week or so)
[11:49] -ubottu:#cloud-init- bugs.freebsd.org bug 266847 in Ports & Packages "[newport] net/cloud-init-devel" [Affects Only Me, New]
[11:49] <meena> but, does that make any sense? will there be a cloud-init 22.4? should I just go with 23.1 ?
[12:28] <aciba> meena: There will be a 22.4 soon -> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/cloud-init-2022-release-schedule/25413
[13:15] <meena> wow, i just installed alpine into a VM for testing, and it boots faster than some docker containers
[13:30] <meena> git pull, and I'm getting [13:30] <meena> what did I do??
[13:33] <meena> minimal: 14:15 <meena> wow, i just installed alpine into a VM for testing, and it boots faster than some docker containers
[13:44] <minimal> meena: yeah it's pretty lightweight :-)
[13:49] <minimal> meena: I am working on changes to deal with service enable/disable in distros/alpine.py
[13:49] <meena> minimal: oh cool, so I don't have to :D
[13:50] <minimal> meena: it will just be a change to the existing manage_service function in alpine.py
[13:56] <minimal> meena: doh! getting confused. It will be a change to manage_service in __init__.py
[13:56] <meena> minimal: __init__.py handles the general cases, that's why there's only systemctl and service in there. I put rcctl into openbsd.py, and a specialized service into freebsd.py
[13:59] <minimal> meena: coffee effects are wearing off plus I'm in the middle of other non-cloud-init stuff, anyway I'm already working on the Alpine-specific case
[14:08] <minimal> meena: the "complication" for enabling/disabling services is, in which runlevel?
[14:09] <minimal> so I'm only going to do so for the default runlevel as manage_service doesn't pass a runlevel
[14:11] <meena> minimal: yeah, i think it would be overkill to add runlevels
[14:37] <minimal> meena: also am trying to figure out how exactly to handle the "status" option for manage_service
[14:38] <minimal> OpenRC returns different exit codes for "started" (0), "stopped" (3), and no such service(1)
[14:41] <minimal> looks like cc_set_passwords is the only that calls manage_service("status", ...) and it doesn't distinguish between "stopped" and "no such service"
[14:59] <meena> minimal: subp takes an array of expected return values, IIRC
[17:52] <meena> how can i get pytest to log a useful log file i can share with people to help me figure out why those tests are failing on FreeBSD
[17:52] <meena> also, i wonder now, if OpenBSD / NetBSD have the same or different failures
[17:52] <falcojr> meena: what are you looking for? Default log usually works fine for me. '-s' and '-v' can be added for more verbosity
[17:53] <meena> falcojr: oh
[18:49] <falcojr> blackboxsw and holman: with hotplug enabled, if we have a new interface added with no details other than an interface name, what would you expect to happen?
[18:50] <falcojr> ignore it completely? Render a config that uses dhcp on both interfaces? If we did that, we'll get two defaults routes which...technically won't actually hurt anything but doesn't make a whole lot of sense either
[19:13] <blackboxsw> hrm, @falcojr would we be able to add a metic: 200 to the config on that new device we add?
[19:14] <blackboxsw> then any dhcp we setup will prioritize the original device that was attached over  the hotplugged device
[19:14] <blackboxsw> then any dhcp we setup will prioritize the default routes on original device that was attached over  the hotplugged device
[19:15] <blackboxsw> we do the "route-metric" increment by 100 netplan dance for any 'secondary' nics in both Azure and Ec2 based on NIC ordering
[19:16] <blackboxsw> using `dhcp4-overrides`
[19:16] <blackboxsw> though on hotremove, we'd have to somehow reset those metrics
[19:18] <holman> no config provided? I'd expect us not to configure it
[19:19] <holman> Why would we configure it if not given config information?
[19:21] <falcojr> well by default we're not given config for the primary interface either
[19:21] <blackboxsw> I was only thinking if a cloud-platform default is dhcp on my devices and their IMDS only gives us a device name as each NIC is added to a vm/container cloud-init would opt to setup dhcp there.
[19:26] <blackboxsw> But maybe that's an incorrect assumption to make in the absence of specific config data. Note as well if there are non-dhcp uses in LXD, those launching the platform can specify their passthrough cloud-init.network-config to state otherwise if that is an unwanted.
[19:32] <holman> question: do any clouds provide the ability via the cloud api/cli/ui to actually configure a dhcp server?
[19:32] <holman> (not manually via another server on the same subnet)
[19:42] <minimal> holman: MAAS seems to provide a means to configure an external DHCP server instead of builtin MAAS one...
[19:42] <holman> minimal: nice, thanks
[19:43] <holman> Okay, lets say we dhcp by default on every interface - the user passes in (via kernel cli) a config with static IPs and dhcp disabled. What would they expect when they log in?
[19:46]  * holman goes to read code
[19:58] <holman> A few assumptions that I have about this question if @blackboxsw @falcojr or anyone feels different let me know:
[19:58] <holman>  1) If default case is for cloud dhcp servers to hand out IP information in the same subnet and only a default route, configuring a second interface doesn't make much sense (why add two default routes?)
[19:58] <holman>  2) I think there is a case to be made for assuming dhcp on every interface if nics are to be in separate subnets and that subnet information is disseminated via dhcp (presumably configured via a web console/api/cli).
[19:58] <holman>  3) A user should be able to override the dhcp information with a provided config.
[20:26] <meena> https://cloud-init.io/ somewhat broken: the frame on the right says: can’t connect to the server at tube.cthd.icu.
[20:28] <holman> meena: I don't see the same thing. Is that the  frame next the text that says "The standard for customising cloud instances"
[20:28] <falcojr> meena: got any extensions installed that might block/redirect youtube? It looks ok on my end
[20:28] <meena> falcojr: ah, yeah, i do
[20:30] <meena> okay, so, where does pytest log into?
[20:31] <meena> I'm not seeing anything… and I'm not seeing anything in .gitignore either
[20:31] <falcojr> should all spit out to stdout/stderr unless you have some other redirection happening
[20:32] <falcojr> there's also flags for specifying log related stuff including --log-file
[20:33] <blackboxsw> thanks holman: I think I leaned toward, LXD is using dhcp as primary setup config for systems and we could provide an easy automation for folks who opt into hotplug to just auto-cfg of secondary NICs with a deprioritized dhcp route-metric. But, per your point and stgraber's, having multiple NICs with dhcp setup is something that someone could easily configure via lxc config set cloud-init.network-config.
[20:35] <meena> falcojr: ah
[20:35] <blackboxsw> holman: but per our discussion, it sounds like the configuration of the NIC expressed in /dev/lxd/sock: 1.0/devices is more intended for the LXD host than client config, and the consensus is that anyone hotplugging the secondary NICs should be providing explicit cloud-init.network-config anyway for their use case prior to adding the new NIC so that cloud-init knows specifically the conifg intent of those devices.
[20:37] <blackboxsw> so our approach for hotplug on LXD is to document set cloud-init.network-config first, then add NICs to ensure cloud-init sets up the network correctly for your needs (as needs wll vary)
[20:40] <meena> lots of subp mocks failing… weird.
[20:50] <falcojr> meena: I wouldn't be surprised if we have a number of tests that forgot to mock something that is Linux specific
[20:51] <falcojr> when it "works on my machine", it's hard to know if there's something 5 calls down from what you're testing that needs to be mocked
[21:00] <meena> falcojr: aye
[21:03] <meena> falcojr: here's the output: https://gist.github.com/75c61c84c09a8edbe357713ca3aa1f14
[21:04] <falcojr> oh hmmm...I wouldn't be expecting all of those subp errors. My guess is that there might be a lower level function being used everywhere that has a python version in linux, but shells out on BSD.
[21:05] <falcojr> or we're mocking the linux version, but not the BSD version
[21:43] <meena> falcojr: can we file this officially as bug ?
[21:43] <falcojr> meena: sure
[21:44] <meena> also, can we add a circle-ci build, too? well, once we got enough of them fixed…
[21:44] <meena> (i don't know any other CI that has not-Linux…)
[21:45] <meena> well, source hut, too
[21:46] <falcojr> that's a bigger discussion I think
[21:47] <falcojr> our upstream CI is currently in Travis, and I think it'd be more work than we'd like to migrate it to another 3rd party service
[21:47] <falcojr> we keep the surface fairly small on CI to keep costs down as well
[21:49] <meena> falcojr: are you paying Travis?
[21:49] <meena> (pretty sure anyone who doesn't, has migrated away from it)
[21:50] <falcojr> yes, Canonical pays for it
[21:58] <blackboxsw> meena: yeah we had a bit of a set of hiccups when Travis started rate-limiting on opensource projects and we had to start paying for Quality of service for CI builds.  Some of our test loads are run by jenkins as well as github actions/workflows for some projects. So, now we are spread across three frameworks for test-related efforts. And in the works is potentially a move to github self-hosted runners
[21:58] <blackboxsw> https://docs.github.com/en/actions/hosting-your-own-runners/about-self-hosted-runners
[21:59] <meena> oh, i didn't know GitHub had that…
[21:59] <meena> a FLOSSfriend looked into GitHub actions and their security model was… shaky… i wonder if they've done anything about that since…
[22:00] <meena> but self-hosted runners would be pretty sweet, if you have an OpenStack (?) fleet with different OSes…
[22:02]  * meena tries to remember what she was trying to do after getting a request to do… something else
[22:02] <meena> at least i'm done with my report writing
[22:09] <meena> ah, right, test my ntp changes
[22:27] <meena> ooh, i need to extend the docs!
[23:04] <meena> cc_ntp works to enable ntpd on FreeBSD. Now to test with chrony and openntpd.
[23:05] <meena> actually, i might leave that until tomorrow, given that I can't quite keep my eyes open…
[23:05] <minimal> meena: working on the manage_service related stuff for alpine, think the cc_ntp tests need changed to handle non-systemd
[23:06] <meena> minimal: \o/
[23:06]  * meena should actually be working on tests for her ifconfig parser
[23:07] <minimal> meena: am finding 1 test failure where the ntp testcase is expecting systemd's systemctl to be used when (Alpine's) rc-service is used, in process of figuring it out
[23:08] <meena> just for my laptop, i should be able to start ntpd with -g
[23:08] <meena> (i hope i won't need that in real cloud environments…)
[23:31] <meena> openntpd on FreeBSD: ✅
[23:31] <meena> Gonna check chrony tomorrow


[04:24] <philipballew> pleia2, yeah, was traveling for a little while. Expect me back with a vengeance ready to do whatever. Did you make it to oscon this year?
[04:24]  * philipballew always assumes pleia2 is in a foreign country at all times.
[04:28]  * ianorlin hasn't been to a foriegn country
[04:48] <philipballew> ianorlin, Tijuana Mexico has a nice free software day conference that is worth going to.
[04:50] <philipballew> if you wanna leave the country easily
[04:54]  * ianorlin would have to get a passport
[05:03] <philipballew>  ianorlin they always let you cross back into the states. Just be prepared to get yelled at and insulted.
[05:09] <nhaines> TIL I learned that Taco Bell taco supreme tacos don't reheat in the microwave.
[05:09] <nhaines> Of course, if I'd known they were supreme tacos I wouldn't have put them in.
[05:16] <philballew> nhaines, I would think something that claims to be supreme would be able to handle itself inside of a microwave.
[05:16] <nhaines> Sour cream disagrees.
[05:16] <nhaines> Although the melty cheese almost made up for the warm sour cream.
[05:48] <pleia2> philballew: no oscon this year, had to schedule a surgery (tomorrow!) so I had to skip something
[05:51]  * ianorlin hopes the surgery goes well
[05:51] <philballew> pleia2, what type of surgery or when is it?
[14:25] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[22:08] <grantbow> has anyone got a samsung XE303C12 or the newer arm one booting ubuntu?
[22:09] <grantbow> Samsing Chromebook
[22:09] <grantbow> Samsung Chromebook
[22:14] <blitz> there's an arm version of ubuntu now?
[23:10] <nhaines> blitz: for at least 5 years.
[23:12] <blitz> hmm, I remember there were issues when the raspberry pi was first release. mustve been driver specific then eh
[23:12] <nhaines> Ubuntu dropped support for ARMv6 and below.
[23:23] <nhaines> Although Ubuntu can still be easily compiled for the Pi.  I think Alan Pope kickstarted a build service just for that.


[13:31] <qwebirc83054> what do i need to study to develop for ubuntu?
[13:33] <om26er> what should i know?


[00:49] <qwebirc54432> Good evening
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[02:44] <puff> Hey, so my new TV only has HDMI in, and my current graphics card only has S-video out.
[02:45] <puff> What HDMI-capable graphics card is recommended for mythbuntu on an asus e1870 p4p 800 s-x motherboard?
[02:45] <puff> I don't have a cable card and I'm not too interested in getting one, because all the stuff I want to watch isn't on the unencrypted channels.
[02:45] <puff> But I wouldn't mind getting a remote control...
[03:22] <dewman> puff, I am in the process of modding a old xbox IR reciever to work with myth...Not sure what anyone else is using...
[03:38] <symptom> any recommendations on a PCI capture card for digital tv in the us.
[03:51] <dewman> symptom, are you using ota?
[03:52] <dewman> or are you using cable/sat/ coat-hanger?
[03:54] <symptom> coat hanger OTA
[03:54] <rhpot1991> HDHR
[03:54] <rhpot1991> not pci, but its the best
[03:54] <dewman> if you have no intention of getting cable or sat, why not grab a HDHR
[03:55] <dewman> and you dont have to have it out in the open, stick under the couch so the wife doesnt see it.
[03:55] <rhpot1991> symptom: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003BEEDBE?ie=UTF8&tag=baablogicnet-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003BEEDBE
[03:56] <rhpot1991> thats a very good price too
[03:56] <dewman> rhpot1991, yes it is....I might just grab one to have another tuner..
[03:57] <dewman> dual is 131
[03:57] <symptom> That is a good price.  I thought they were more expensive
[03:57] <symptom> I cant find much on the specs
[03:58] <symptom> so the dual tuner is 170
[03:59] <symptom> still cheaper than most current PCI tuners
[03:59] <dewman> dual tuner is 131 on amazon.
[04:00] <symptom> no HDD on it thought right?  I tis just hte tuner, so mythtv does the recording scheduling, etc
[04:00] <dewman> yep. its just a tuner...
[04:00] <dewman> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun
[04:00] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Silicondust HDHomeRun - MythTV
[04:02] <dewman> that attaches via cat5 to your network.
[04:03] <rhpot1991> you can attach it directly to a computer too, no need for a crossover or anything
[04:03] <rhpot1991> thats how I do mine
[04:03] <rhpot1991> have a pci nic and then ethernet attached to that
[04:03] <symptom> but if I were to get cable then I would need an analog tuner, to record shows from my cable box right?
[04:03]  * rhpot1991 grumbles about this cheap netgear router which caused that setup
[04:03] <rhpot1991> symptom: well, the HDHR can record clear qam
[04:04] <rhpot1991> so normally you will get your OTA channels over that through cable, no need for an antenna
[04:04] <rhpot1991> with most providors that is all you will see
[04:04] <rhpot1991> analog is going away in most places, so that most likely wont help you much other than short term
[04:04] <rhpot1991> something like the HD-PVR and a set top box from your cable provider will help you record the rest
[04:05] <dewman> if you get cable (comcast/blah) I would suggest a HD-pvr1212 with that guy, it has all the outputs that you can pipe into mythtv.
[04:05] <rhpot1991> symptom: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0018LX0DY?ie=UTF8&tag=baablogicnet-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0018LX0DY
[04:05] <dewman> rhpot1991, you beat me to it..
[04:05] <dewman> lol
[04:05] <rhpot1991> thats my setup, HDHR and a HD-PVR
[04:05] <rhpot1991> some firewire, and some no longer used analog hauppauge cards
[04:05] <symptom> lets say I moved out to the booneys and I didnt have the skill/space/etc to build a sick antenna.  So I buy cable the output of my cable box is still analog right? so i would need an analog tuner?
[04:06] <rhpot1991> http://www.baablogic.net/drupal/node/13
[04:06] <Zinn> [www.baablogic.net] My MythTV Setup | www.baablogic.net
[04:06] <rhpot1991> symptom: analog is dead in the US
[04:06] <rhpot1991> all broadcast is digital and almost all cable providers are cutting off analog and going digital only
[04:07] <rhpot1991> I suppose if you weren't doing HD, and used one of the DTAs you could record over analog
[04:07] <rhpot1991> provided you can find an analog card for sale these days
[04:08] <dewman> i've got some old frame grabbers... =)
[04:08] <dewman> wintv....
[04:09] <rhpot1991> yes, stay away from frame grabbers
[04:09] <rhpot1991> you could prob find a hauppauge 150 card on ebay or something
[04:10] <rhpot1991> http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m570.l1313&_nkw=hauppauge+pvr+150&_sacat=See-All-Categories
[04:10] <Zinn> [shop.ebay.com] hauppauge pvr 150, Computers Networking, hauppauge pvr 500.   I would need the dual tuner in order to record a show and watch live TV.
[04:12] <symptom> but I suppose I would need two PCI cards to do that anyway.
[04:13] <rhpot1991> there are some pci cards that have dual tuners
[04:13] <rhpot1991> or one analog one digital (some of these only work in digital, so read up)
[04:13] <symptom> So I can use a patch cable to go direct from the HDHR to my PC?  No crossover or switch?
[04:13] <rhpot1991> yep
[04:13] <rhpot1991> thats how I do mine
[04:13] <dewman> or hybrid tuner (which you dont want) (I made that mistake)
[04:13] <rhpot1991> and if you are using mythtv .22 or newer, then you can use whats called multi-rec with the HDHR
[04:14] <symptom> hybrid is both analog and digital on one input dewman ?
[04:14] <rhpot1991> it lets you record multiple programs on each tuner as long as they are on the same multiplex
[04:14] <rhpot1991> so for instance I can record on cbs and fox (I think) at the same time
[04:14] <dewman> refrain that... the hybrid that I have is a not so great one...
[04:14] <rhpot1991> and only use one tuner
[04:15] <rhpot1991> symptom: if you get anything analog, make sure it does hardware encoding, anything that is a frame grabber will waste cpu to record
[04:15] <symptom> multi-rec?  So I can record two stations at the same time with one tuner?
[04:15] <rhpot1991> that goes for any hybrid that does analog too
[04:15] <rhpot1991> symptom: yep
[04:15] <symptom> how do I know if two stations are on the same multiplex
[04:16] <rhpot1991> I can record 4 shows at once with my HDHR, you can push it beyond that but your channel layout will most likely make it not very useful
[04:16] <rhpot1991> symptom: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us
[04:16] <Zinn> [www.silicondust.com] hdhomerun/channels - Silicondust
[04:16] <rhpot1991> plug your zip into there
[04:17] <symptom> so dewman even if Im just using the digital capability of the hvr-1600 (which is hybrid?) that is not recommended?
[04:18] <symptom> rhpot1991, 4 shows on one tuner?
[04:18] <dewman> no no no....I jumped the gun...
[04:18] <rhpot1991> hvr-1600 is ok I think, there are 2 versions of it one that can do clear qam and one that can't
[04:18] <rhpot1991> symptom: 4 shows, 2 tuners
[04:18] <rhpot1991> I have the dual tuner HDHR
[04:18] <dewman> my fingers were typing but my brain was not communicating with them....
[04:19] <symptom> haha.  ok so I want clear QAM if i go with the hybrid?
[04:19] <symptom> or 1600 is not hyrbrid?
[04:21] <dewman> no its not... it has seperate  atsc and  ntsc tuners
[04:22] <rhpot1991> I think most "hybrid" tuners are just one of each, no?
[04:22] <rhpot1991> one card, one of each
[04:23] <symptom> ok
[04:24] <symptom> so that http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us link is pretty sick.  Are the 256QAM stations that it shows unencrypted?  So once my cable is on I can go direct from the wall to my HDHR or HVR-xxxx
[04:24] <Zinn> [www.silicondust.com] hdhomerun/channels - Silicondust
[04:24] <rhpot1991> symptom: most likely your cable company is transitioning analog away
[04:24] <rhpot1991> they will more analog channels to clear qam and leave them there for a bit, then eventually those will get encrypted
[04:24] <symptom> ok
[04:25] <rhpot1991> all you can reliably hope for are your local OTA channels
[04:25] <rhpot1991> I'm ignoring my analog channels in clear qam, cause one day they will be gone, I'd rather not get used to them being there
[04:25] <symptom> ha
[04:27] <symptom> rhpot1991, so you pay for cable?
[04:31] <rhpot1991> symptom: yes
[04:31] <rhpot1991> I picked out an antenna and was ready to get rid of it, till my wife got angry about said decision
[04:32] <tgm4883> dang women ;)
[04:32] <rhpot1991> heh, agreed
[04:32] <rhpot1991> I woulda been sad about missing live sports
[06:53] <symptom> most major sporting events are on network tv though....
[10:49] <ak74> hello
[11:31] <stuarticus> Hi everyone, can anyone advise on upgrading to 10.04 when it is released? Do I need to change my sources? At the moment if I run update-manager -d I get an option to upgrade, which is presumably from the main repository, is this safe or should I wait, or even consider a clean install?
[12:23] <ak74> Hi,  I am new to Linux and have installed Mythbuntu.  I have a Hauppauge wintv pvr 500 card installed.  I also installed ivtv.  It will recoginize the card but will not get any channels.  when I go to watch tv on the frontend, it says please wait and then goes back to the frontend menu.  If I scan for channels, it says no signal lock.  I am on comcast cable.
[12:23] <ak74> Thanks in advance
[12:36] <Bezzeb> Hi all - repeat of question from yesterday:  I'm looking to hire a mythbuntu appliance developer.  Any tips on where I can go to get someone familiar with Myth TV - and also aware of the constraints that go into making a sealed product for casual customer usage?  My company already has a streaming video service, and we already have a development team on the project, but we have a slot to fill to bring appliance development knowledge onto the team.
[12:38] <Daviey> Bezzeb: Whilst it's unconventional, and if too many people did it it would have to be stopped; I would send your requestto the ubuntu-mythtv mailing list.
[12:38] <Daviey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[12:38] <Zinn> [lists.ubuntu.com] Ubuntu-mythtv Info Page
[12:40] <Bezzeb> Hi Daviey,  I thought about the mailing list, but then I remembered my old days on lists where requests like mind would be met with a degree of flame.  :)   Are you on the list?  Would they accept my inquiry in good spirits?
[12:41] <Daviey> Bezzeb: it's a low volume one, and i think it will be fine.  I agree it *could* be a problem, but considering it will be the first one ever; I think it's worth a try.
[12:41] <Daviey> I certainly wouldn't have a problem.
[12:42] <Bezzeb> I mean my dream would be to hire one of the guys who packaged the live CD of mythbuntu for a month or something...  I know our problem in developing this new appliance would be fairly easy for a guy with the right skills to solve.
[12:42] <Bezzeb> Okay, I'll go sign up and pose my inquiry.  I'll leave this IRC open in the event anyone else has a tip.  We've got deadlines and are urgently looking to fill this slot.
[12:43] <Bezzeb> By slot I mean job.  ;)
[12:54] <Ratok> hello everyone, is anyone out there who knows about VAAPI support of current linux intel drivers and supported hardware, my informations just say mpeg 2 on X4500HD
[12:55] <tassbur> Hi ebd, I'm having troubles with my HVR-4000 when I try to search new channels. If I do a full scan I get nothing, and if I import the channels.conf from an external scan I get my channels back, but when I tune to a channel, I only watch pixels and glich errors
[12:57] <Ratok> and another question, which codecs do the DVB-C systems use
[12:57] <tassbur> anyone know what's the problem?
[12:58] <Ratok> tassbur: which DVB system do you use or is it analog?
[12:58] <tassbur> dvb-t
[12:59] <SirColin> mayby look here http://rothfuchs.net/2009/12/mythtv-channel-scan-does-not-work-no-channels-found/
[12:59] <Zinn> [rothfuchs.net]
[13:00] <SirColin> lol
[13:01] <tassbur> thanks, but dvb-s works well
[13:03] <SirColin> this thread may help you http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/hardware/11318-hvr-4000-fails-scan.html
[13:03] <Zinn> [www.mythtvtalk.com]
[13:05] <tassbur> i've using this
[13:05] <tassbur> MythTV Version   : 24158
[13:05] <tassbur> MythTV Branch    : branches/release-0-23-fixes
[13:06] <tassbur> i've got mythbuntu 10.04
[13:08] <tassbur> SirColin: have i to patch even i have this version of mythtv?
[13:11] <SirColin> it seems to suggest to install 0.22 then patch then scan then update to 0.23 but im not expert in these things, just trying to help
[13:12] <SirColin> mayb posting in that thread may help
[13:12] <tassbur> thanks
[13:12] <SirColin> np
[13:16] <SirColin> tassbur have a read here also http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=633182&page=10
[13:16] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Hauppauge HVR4000 and Scanning for channels *newbie desperate for help - Page 10 - Ubuntu Forums
[13:16] <SirColin> ok Zinn this is getting spooky:-)
[13:16] <Zinn> Hi SirColin, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[13:17] <tassbur> SirColin: it isn't a firmware problem since it upload firmware correct
[13:18] <tassbur> cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Firmware upload complete
[13:20] <SirColin> Multiproto Drivers  ????
[13:21] <tassbur> multiproto drivers?
[13:21] <tassbur> bye, i have to go, i'll be back later
[15:05] <qwebirc15883> morning
[15:05] <qwebirc15883> anyone here?
[16:13] <Ratok> Hello i looked around for some solutions of the INTEL 4500HD, http://www.splitted-desktop.com/~gbeauchesne/mplayer-vaapi/
[16:13] <Zinn> [www.splitted-desktop.com] Index of /~gbeauchesne/mplayer-vaapi
[16:13] <Ratok> Could this solve the speed problems of Intel 4500 Cards?
[16:44] <haffe> Hi guys, I'm looking at getting a HTPC. I would appreciate some input regarding hiberante/suspend cabablities, if anyone here has the following hardware. 1) DVB-Tcard (hauppauge nova-t 500) 2) graphics card (nvidia geforce)
[23:28] <ak74> Hi all, I need help setting up a hauppauge wintv-pvr-500 card
[23:34] <tgm4883> ak74, it should work OOTB, you just need to set it up in mythtv-setup
[23:35] <tgm4883> or you could just leave
[23:42] <rhpot1991> clearly the better solution
[23:42] <tgm4883> well yea
[23:42] <tgm4883> I would have just fixed his issue
[23:42] <tgm4883> this way he gets to tinker with it more
[23:43] <rhpot1991> thats what you get for trying to help