[02:06] <bryanfrommacau> hi, I am trying to set up VNC to control my lubuntu computer from windows
[02:06] <bryanfrommacau> I have tried tightVNC, but when it connects, it doesn't show anything
[02:06] <bryanfrommacau> I have tried connecting to remmina, but haven't been able to establish a connection
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Hmm
[02:07] <tsimonq2> !vnc
[02:07] <tsimonq2> Maybe?
[02:07] <tsimonq2> :)
[02:08] <tsimonq2> Otherwise bryanfrommacau I'd recommend X2Go
[02:08] <bryanfrommacau> ok, I'll look at those resources
[02:08] <bryanfrommacau> thanks :)
[02:08] <tsimonq2> You're welcome. :)
[13:25] <Guest68641> Hi..I'd like to register problem in lubuntu. 1 or 2 quad core processor 3 ghz intel 2gb ram. Kaffeine has 100% CPu ussage and it bug all system..after ending everything comes ok...but..kaffeine witch dvb-t...is bugging system...cpu 100%..I habe updade/upgraded///opengl, ffmpg, qt ,x.264
[13:27] <Guest68641> How to fix it? mabay some cpu limit for kaffeine process? or..other some kind of ffmpg drivers for older hardware...but..intel celeron 3ghz..witch 1mb cahe 1st and 2nd postion 512 cahe..witch 2gb ram..its not very less.
[13:27] <Guest68641> its ok for lubuntu
[13:27] <Guest68641> I think too much..vlc..witch dvb-t have less cpu ussage
[13:28] <Guest68641> My question....is there..any video driver gui manager what i could chose..what drivers for what process or tv,video apps I can chosee...to minimalize cpu usage?
[13:28] <Guest68641> I will be thankfull for any advices.
[13:29] <Guest68641> M
[13:29] <Guest68641> I think problem is in codec use..the are using too much cpu..there is no any scaling mode..in ffmg and x.264
[13:29] <Guest68641> plsease contact.
[13:31] <Guest68641> so Id like to also report that dvbt devices tuner drivers are good and no bugs problem is in no scaling cpu usage video drivers
[15:45] <kc2143> how do I check lubuntu version from start panel
[15:49] <kc2143> how do I update lubuntu to 17.10?
[15:53] <kc2143> how do I get answers from here
[16:07] <krytarik> !upgrade | kc2143
[16:08] <krytarik> !version
[17:54] <Stripes> I downloaded lububtu to put on an older laptop, burned it to disk and put it in the old laptop could not find an OS
[17:59] <Mastus> Stripes: BIOS set to boot from DVD, the drive is working, the burned disk is working...?
[18:00] <Stripes> The bios is set to boot from the DVD
[18:02] <Stripes> I had an older version of SUSE and tried installing that,  it got to about 40% and hung.
[18:13] <Stripes> join
[18:22] <Stripes> I downloaded lububtu to put on an older laptop, burned it to disk and put it in the old laptop could not find an OS
[18:22] <Stripes> The bios is set to boot from the DVD
[18:23] <Stripes> I had an older version of SUSE and tried installing that,  it got to about 40% and hung.
[18:23] <Stripes> Do I need to do something with the file before I burn it to disk
[18:25] <max_> maxx
[18:25] <max_> max
[18:26] <Guest42698> how long is 17.10 suppoerted
[19:56] <STCK1A8LFC> HI
[19:57] <STCK1A8LFC> I need to install Lubuntu on my intel compute stick 1st generation, but, no wifi audio or bluetooth driver...
[19:59] <STCK1A8LFC> I have installed lubuntu 17, its so cool but, I dont have audio, wifi and bluetooth driver
[20:21] <felipecosta98> hello
[20:26] <Derfdog> Hi I just installed Lubuntu on a Acer Aspire D255 netbook with an Atom N550 and 1 gig ram.  Tried to play DVD but Gnome player will not play.  Any words of wisdom?
[22:01] <j8dl> hello
[22:01] <wxl> what's up j78	?


[22:05] <flipstar> Piddy: sudo rm -R <whateveryouwanttodeletethatisownedbyroot> for folders
[22:05] <mathew_> hey anyone tell me ..... why my frostwire for kubuntu llike tries to load then disppears?
[22:05] <mathew_> ?
[22:05] <Eirikeb> reboot=win
[22:06] <nosrednaekim> !repeat
[22:06] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:06] <mathew_> meh
[22:06] <mathew_> other day i repated i got answered on the repeat
[22:06] <flipstar> faileas: in ccsm you can adjust the desktops
[22:07] <flipstar> you can also have 16 or so ..
[22:07] <faileas> ccsm?
[22:07] <flipstar> !ccsm
[22:07] <ubotu> To enable advanced customization of desktop effects in Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy), install 'compizconfig-settings-manager'. A new option will appear in your appearance properties - See also !compiz - Help in #compiz-fusion
[22:07] <faileas> ahh
[22:07] <Arwen> ccsm rules
[22:07] <Arwen> much better than the normal one
[22:07] <faileas> flipstar: got that stuff works fine in gnome
[22:07] <flipstar> there is a normal one..?
[22:07] <pedro_> hi
[22:08] <flipstar> faileas: i dont have gnome ..
[22:08] <faileas> erf
[22:08] <faileas> still the same issue
[22:08] <Arwen> dang, Xorg is using about 100MB of memory
[22:08] <hola> i need help to configure my webcam
[22:09] <sd32> is it possible to install real player from the terminal?
[22:09] <tekteen> pedro_: hi
[22:09] <Arwen> guess that's what I get for using a shared memory video card...
[22:09] <tekteen> sd32: you can get it from medibuntu (I think)
[22:09] <flipstar> faileas: -->ccsm>general>desktop size>set to a value betwen 1 and 32 ..
[22:09] <pedro_> i can't run wine on kubuntu cause of these error "library files for "libpython1.5-so" is missing
[22:09] <sd32> tekteen: no i have medibuntu and no luck
[22:09] <tekteen> sd32: then you can install it using apt-get
[22:09] <tekteen> ok
[22:10] <tekteen> then I do not know
[22:10] <pedro_> please help
[22:10] <Arwen> sd32, there should be a package "realplayer" in the commercial respoitory
[22:10] <Arwen> repository*
[22:10] <sd32> Arwen: nope
[22:10] <nosrednaekim> pedro_» is this on hardy?
[22:10] <pedro_> yes
[22:10] <Arwen> sd32, then you have to do it manually
[22:10] <pedro_> it is
[22:10] <mathew_> which is best kubuntu/ubuntu/xbuntu?
[22:11] <flipstar> 24 desktops rocks!!
[22:11] <tekteen> sd32: have you installed the comm. repo?
[22:11] <Arwen> !find libpython2.5.so
[22:11] <tekteen> mathew_: dont ask
[22:11] <ubotu> File libpython2.5.so found in python2.5-dev
[22:11] <Arwen> I assume you made a typo there...
[22:11] <faileas> flipstar: i'll settle for 4 and a cube ;p
[22:11] <mathew_> why ....
[22:11] <sd32> tekteen: yes
[22:11] <tekteen> mathew_: we will all say kubuntu
[22:11] <Arwen> pedro_, install that package listed above
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> mathew_» whatever you like best
[22:11] <mathew_> ah ok
[22:11] <flipstar> faileas: whatever you like ..
[22:12] <mathew_> hows kde 4 coming along?
[22:12] <faileas> hmm
[22:12] <sd32> I was trying to install it manually but the install is so difficult
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> mathew_» I like it
[22:13] <faileas> sd32: there's a package its not complete but it works
[22:13] <sd32> faileas: where?
[22:13] <epssi> hello. how can i remove arts without removing kubuntu-desktop?
[22:13] <mathew_> so is all the bugs removed?
[22:13] <mathew_> i got told not to try it
[22:13] <flipstar> try it doesnt hurt you ..
[22:14] <tekteen> mathew_: the bugs are dropping like flies
[22:14] <tekteen> :-)
[22:14] <mathew_> haha
[22:14] <mathew_> ironic
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> epssi» why?
[22:14] <sd32> im just amazed that real makes a linux version but its not in the repositories
[22:15] <epssi> to reinstall arts for noatun
[22:15] <mathew_> ive been comparing windows to nix base stuff for personal and college use
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> epssi» and don't worry about removing kubuntu-desktop, its not really neccesary
[22:15] <flipstar> sd32: real still is closed software ..
[22:15] <tekteen> !info realplayer
[22:15] <ubotu> Package realplayer does not exist in gutsy
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> sd32» skype has a linux version and its not in there.
[22:15] <faileas> sd32: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[22:15] <tekteen> !info real
[22:15] <ubotu> Package real does not exist in gutsy
[22:15] <flipstar> sd32: you might try helix-player instead
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[22:15] <ubotu> KDE 4.0.1 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0.1 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.1.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0.1.php - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:15] <sd32> nosrednaekim: its in the medibuntu
[22:15] <mathew_> and thing i find anoying with kunbutu when you mess the grahics up you get black screen and you have to go into recovery etc ... ive only every once got dual montoir to work once but after restart it failed
[22:16] <sd32> helix is a joke
[22:16] <epssi> nosrednaekim what is kubuntu-desktop then?
[22:16] <nosrednaekim> epssi» mostly usefull for installing and upgrading.
[22:17] <nosrednaekim> epssi» its a meta package.... it depends on other programs on install, but not on uninstall
[22:17] <flipstar> hm i uninstalled kubuntu-desktop long time ago..
[22:18] <tekteen> flipstar: I hope you do not try to upgrade to hardy :-)
[22:18] <pedro_> i can't run wine on kubuntu
[22:18] <pedro_> why
[22:18] <crispy_chunks> hello! I installed kubuntu from a netinstall booted off a pendrive, but unfortunately grub ended up on my pendrive - any suggestions?
[22:18] <flipstar> much unessesry stuff as default
[22:18] <flipstar> tekteen: i already did
[22:18] <tekteen> pedro_: my esp says it is because something is messed ip
[22:18] <tekteen> flipstar: ok nm
[22:18] <flipstar> :P
[22:18] <tekteen> pedro_: give some information
[22:19] <tekteen> pedro_: what did it say when it failed?
[22:19] <mrunagi> is there a command line based torrent client?>
[22:19] <tekteen> rtorrent
[22:19] <Daisuke_Ido> mrunagi: rtorrent
[22:19] <nosrednaekim> crispy_chunks» yeah... you can tell grub to install to another HD... use "grub-install"
[22:20] <Daisuke_Ido> just an update on the sound issue...  i went and started the game, it segfaulted and took my mouse with it, so i just restarted x.  tried launching the game again and it worked perfectly...  go figure
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido» WINE?
[22:20] <crispy_chunks> nosrednaekim: i'll look into it ,thanks :)
[22:20] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[22:20] <Daisuke_Ido> UT
[22:21] <Daisuke_Ido> which so depserately needs an updated installer
[22:21] <sd32> !medibuntu
[22:21] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido» and so desperately needs to get 3 out the door
[22:22] <pedro_> an error occured during your last KDE upgrade an orphaend controle module
[22:22] <pedro_> and ou have a old third party modules lying around
[22:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i dunno about that, i'm not a big fan of newer games.  UT99 is classic though
[22:23] <epssi> whoa...
[22:23] <flipstar> Daisuke_Ido: try nexuiz ..
[22:23] <Daisuke_Ido> flipstar: nexuiz is okay
[22:23] <Arwen> Nexuiz, lol
[22:23] <konner> uhh
[22:23] <konner> xD
[22:23] <Arwen> they need higher quality character models >_>
[22:24] <konner> i did something wrong
[22:24] <Arwen> and better looking maps
[22:24] <Arwen> and better animations >_>
[22:24] <epssi> i started uninstalling arts packages and didnt notice that it would mean uninstalling all kinds of really important things
[22:24] <Daisuke_Ido> but UT is UT
[22:24] <epssi> how do i undo the damage?
[22:24] <pedro_> i can't put wine working
[22:24] <flipstar> Arwen: theres a map pack on the website ..
[22:24] <Arwen> flipstar, higher quality as in um... graphics
[22:24] <tekteen> pedro_: give more information
[22:24] <tekteen> pedro_: my esp is never very good :-D
[22:25] <flipstar> Arwen: there are a lot of options in setting..i can make it so high that my graphic card nearly collaps ..
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> iwould have to go with alien arena over nexuiz
[22:25] <pedro_> i gave you information
[22:25] <Arwen> flipstar, the effects are neat, but they don't really help without great textures
[22:25] <tekteen> can you repeat it?
[22:25] <Daisuke_Ido> pedro_: "i can't put wine working" isn't information.
[22:26] <pedro_> o god
[22:26] <konner> nvm i did something right
[22:26] <konner> xD
[22:26] <pedro_> an error occured during your last KDE upgrade an orphaend controle module
[22:26] <tekteen> ok
[22:26] <pedro_> and ou have a old third party modules lying around
[22:27] <flipstar> Arwen: antiAliasing and stuff might help out a little ..
[22:27] <tekteen> have you changed kde in any way?
[22:27] <pedro_> please help cause the sema error iswith when i try to open the file manager
[22:27] <Arwen> flipstar, there is no anti-aliasing
[22:27] <Arwen> hehe
[22:27] <flipstar> sure ?
[22:27] <pedro_> if chage KDE??
[22:27] <flipstar> i bet it is
[22:27] <Arwen> no, just anisotropic filterin
[22:27] <flipstar> oh..right
[22:28] <tekteen> pedro_: I do not know
[22:28] <pedro_> well i don't know i upgrade all when kubuntu sais
[22:28] <tekteen> ok
[22:28] <flipstar> Arwen: but at least it is shipped with *ubuntu :P
[22:28] <epssi> i can't even start a konsole
[22:28] <pedro_> so can anyone help me
[22:29] <flipstar> epssi: maybe installing kubuntu-desktop..or that file you uninstalled..
[22:30] <epssi> flipstar how can i do that without a konsole or anything?
[22:30] <flipstar> epssi: you cant even run adept or synaptic and have no konsole open at the moment ?
[22:30] <flipstar> ouch
[22:30] <hola> i need help to configure my webcam
[22:30] <epssi> nope
[22:31] <flipstar> thats very bad epssi
[22:31] <epssi> uh huh
[22:31] <pedro_> i can't put wine working please some help
[22:32] <Daisuke_Ido> !repeat | pedro_
[22:32] <ubotu> pedro_: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[22:32] <flipstar> only possibity to fix that (that i know) ->boot livecd ->chrott->reinstall kde desktop
[22:32] <flipstar> epssi: ^ *chroot
[22:35] <flipstar> epssi: maybe you can switch to rescue mode first and see if apt-get still exist..if you can login ..
[22:36] <mathew_> is limeiwre or frostwire supported in kubuntu
[22:36] <flipstar> not official
[22:36] <sd32> I am showing double entries  in  my installer how can i clean this up?
[22:36] <flipstar> !limewire | mathew_
[22:36] <ubotu> mathew_: limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install /msg ubotu java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider /msg ubotu FrostWire as an alternative.
[22:37] <konner> can someone help me install  compiz-fusion?
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> !compiz
[22:37] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> konner» you got synaptic all installed?
[22:37] <konner> k
[22:37] <konner> yeah
[22:37] <konner> i got it installed
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:37] <konner> ^_^
[22:37] <nosrednaekim> konner» is it better?
[22:38] <konner> Now i want eyecandy
[22:38] <konner> x]
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> hah.. what video card do you have?
[22:38] <konner> Nvidia Gefore 6600 GT AGP
[22:38] <konner> I installed the drivers already
[22:38] <mrunagi> whats agp?
[22:38] <konner> =]
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> konner» should be easy then
[22:38] <flipstar> konner: haha like i do :)
[22:38] <mrunagi> =)
[22:38] <nosrednaekim> mrunagi» graphics interface bus....
[22:38] <BanTam> AGP=Accelerated Graphics Port
[22:38] <mrunagi> windows OWNS kubuntu
[22:38] <mrunagi> windows has cool things like viruses and adware
[22:39] <konner> O_o
[22:39] <mrunagi> which is why im reformatting.........yay!
[22:39] <mrunagi> lol
[22:39] <mrunagi> 3 days it took =)
[22:39] <nosrednaekim> konner» wait... when did you install the graphics driver? before or after I had you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[22:39] <flipstar> some viruses run under wine ..
[22:39] <konner> before
[22:39] <mrunagi> that sounds like fun!
[22:39] <flipstar> but only a few
[22:39] <mrunagi> sudo wine virus.exe
[22:39] <mrunagi> lol
[22:39] <flipstar> ^^
[22:41] <konner> I installed them before that.
[22:41] <sam64> flipstar: I've en looking for some to try actually
[22:41] <sam64> been*
[22:42] <flipstar> i have a very great collection of very old viruses..like 6000
[22:42] <sam64> pwn
[22:42] <flipstar> but very,very _very_ old
[22:42] <sam64> I wanted to stock up for fun
[22:42] <ubuntu> hello
[22:42] <nosrednaekim> konner» ok, how did you install them (that command disabled them)
[22:42] <Daisuke_Ido> flipstar: if you're ever threatened by an evil alien computer based on the 8088 processor, you can stop him!
[22:42] <tekteen> ubuntu: hi
[22:43] <ubuntu> español?
[22:43] <tekteen> !es
[22:43] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:43] <konner> I pressed crtl alt f1 disabled kdm installed them and restarted kdm
[22:43] <ubuntu> ok
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> konner» ah.. thats the wrong method.....
[22:44] <konner> really?
[22:44] <konner> :S
[22:44] <konner> thats what i was told on the ubuntu forums
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> konner» and I forget how to uninstall things installed by that methos
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> konner» well, using the restricted-manager is far simpler
[22:45] <konner> whats that
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> a  tool for instlling drivers
[22:45] <tekteen> konner: it is in system settings
[22:45] <tekteen> konner: under the advanced tab
[22:46] <pedro> hi anyone know why i can't go to the file sytem on the kubuntu
[22:46] <nosrednaekim> konner» install them from there. I think it will over-write anything yu installed before
[22:46] <konner> i found it
[22:46] <konner> how do i install them?
[22:46] <tekteen> click the check box
[22:47] <konner> it says the software source for the package nvidia-glf-new is not enabled
[22:47] <tekteen> !info nvidia-glf-new
[22:47] <ubotu> Package nvidia-glf-new does not exist in gutsy
[22:48] <konner> x]
[22:48] <konner> thats alot of helpful info
[22:48] <twosouls82> !info nvidia-glx-new
[22:48] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new (source: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10)): NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+<IP_ADDRESS>-14.10 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[22:49] <tekteen> thanks
[22:49] <tekteen> :-S
[22:49] <twosouls82> ;)
[22:49] <pedro> there is anyproblem if i have installed kubuntu and had vista??
[22:49] <flipstar> yes..you probably wont like vista anymore
[22:49] <pedro> lol
[22:49] <konner> ROFL
[22:50] <tekteen> pedro: not that would affect the file manager
[22:50] <pedro> if i cna't go to other partitions of my pc i start not liking kubuntu
[22:50] <nosrednaekim> konner» go into adept->manager repositories, enable "restricted)
[22:50] <pedro> do have anyideia what i can do put that working
[22:50] <pedro> ??
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> pedro» you can' access your windows drives?
[22:51] <pedro> no
[22:51] <pedro> is that
[22:51] <pedro> i want to
[22:51] <pedro> but i can't
[22:51] <konner> ok
[22:51] <flipstar> !enter
[22:51] <konner> i enabled them
[22:51] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[22:51] <konner> and the KDE crash handler comes up
[22:51] <nosrednaekim> pedro» go to system settings->advanced->disks and partitions
[22:51] <twosouls82> pedro: "hi anyone know why i can't go to the file sytem on the kubuntu" rephrase that please, and you might get answer
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> konner» and adept crashed? heh
[22:52] <twosouls82> !ask
[22:52] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:52] <twosouls82> oops, wrong one
[22:52] <pedro> ok i had done that but theres the same problem when i run windows aplication
[22:52] <Daisuke_Ido> *facepalm*
[22:52] <nosrednaekim> pedro» you can't run windows apps unless you have WINE.. and esp not from your windows partition
[22:53] <pedro> i have wine installed
[22:53] <konner> no
[22:53] <konner> xD
[22:53] <konner> adapt didnt crash
[22:53] <pedro> but when i go to configure it it just don't run
[22:53] <tekteen> pedro: it still will not run them from the win partition
[22:53] <konner> it enabled restricted
[22:53] <konner> now
[22:53] <konner> the drivers wont enable
[22:53] <nosrednaekim> konner» ok... well, click reload..
[22:54] <konner> ROFL
[22:54] <konner> OOPS
[22:54] <konner> I FORGOT TO CLICK OFF ADAPT MANAGER
[22:54] <nosrednaekim> :)
[22:54] <konner> now it worked
[22:54] <konner> lmaso im stupid today
[22:55] <TuxOtaku> anyone know how to fix a corrupt TCP/IP stack on kubuntu?
[22:55] <Eirikeb> oops, think I've destroyed the su password
[22:55] <Eirikeb> : O
[22:55] <pedro> how can i solve the problem so
[22:55] <konner> xD
[22:55] <konner> Ok
[22:55] <konner> now back to compiz
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> konner» ok... you'll probably be asked restart....
[22:55] <konner> WHY IS EVERYTHING HARDER TO DO ON KUBUNTU
[22:55] <konner> xD
[22:55] <konner> No i didnt get asked
[22:55] <nosrednaekim> konner» if not... you need to anyway
[22:55] <TuxOtaku> anyone? anyone? bueller??
[22:56] <konner> Ok brb
[22:56] <twosouls82> !omg
[22:56] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> konner» AND... remember that dpkg-reconfigure command
[22:56] <nosrednaekim> konner» in case it punts you back to the command line
[22:57] <pedro> it sais when i go to the file manager tha an erroro occurred during your lat upgrade leaving an orpahaned control module
[22:57] <flipstar> im out
[22:58] <tekteen> lat = last :-)
[22:58] <pedro> yep
[22:58] <pedro> please help
[22:58] <pedro> i never got the acsses to windows partitions
[22:59] <nosrednaekim> !pt
[22:59] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português.  Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[23:03] <Eirikeb> so im not supposed to be able to write su, then enter the password?
[23:03] <tekteen> no
[23:03] <tekteen> write sudo
[23:03] <tekteen> then your password
[23:03] <Eirikeb> okay, then the problem is that administrator mode doesnt work, it just sends me back to kcontrol
[23:03] <tekteen> ok
[23:04] <tekteen> on that you just use you password
[23:04] <Eirikeb> tried the solutions google gave me
[23:04] <Eirikeb> mhm
[23:04] <Eirikeb> done several times
[23:04] <hola> i need help to configure my webcam
[23:04] <tekteen> ok
[23:04] <tekteen> is this the first user you installed?
[23:04] <soussou> hi guys
[23:05] <Eirikeb> well, the problem startet when I changed the name of the first user to admin (old name eirik)
[23:05] <Eirikeb> and then created a new user called, gues whatt eirik
[23:05] <soussou> I am trying to have a simple qt4 application run on my box
[23:05] <tekteen> ok
[23:05] <Eirikeb> then kubuntu asked what I wanted to do with the old /home/eirik so I just took the choice which deleted and recreated the folder
[23:06] <tekteen> Eirikeb: can you post your /etc/goups
[23:06] <soussou> I am using codeblocks as my main IDE, I installed libqt4-dev from the repos, but when I try searching for the actual library files for  qt4, I find nothing, the include files are all there, but no library files
[23:06] <soussou> anyone knows where those libs are?
[23:07] <soussou> normally development library files are in /usr/lib/package-name
[23:07] <tekteen> Eirikeb: do you know what the pastebin is?
[23:07] <soussou> but when I tried searching for library files for qt4, i found nothing in /usr/lib/qt4
[23:07] <tekteen> Eirikeb: no wait
[23:07] <Eirikeb> more or less
[23:07] <Eirikeb> got no folder called groups
[23:07] <Eirikeb> : o
[23:07] <soussou> anybody has any ideas as to where those libs are?
[23:07] <tekteen> Eirikeb: when you use admin
[23:07] <Vermux> so whatz up?
[23:07] <Eirikeb> I cant even log onto him using GUI
[23:08] <tekteen> Eirikeb: do you try to use admin mode as the user erik?
[23:08] <Eirikeb> get some error
[23:08] <Eirikeb> and the cause of the error (google says so) is that I didnt create a new folder for that user/deleted that user's folder
[23:08] <tekteen> Eirikeb: admin mode only works as a user who is an admin (even if you know the password)
[23:09] <Eirikeb> ah, thats logical
[23:09] <Konner> ....
[23:09] <Konner> Ima install Ubuntu im sick of Kubntu
[23:09] <tekteen> Eirikeb: sudo is not made for this purpose
[23:09] <Eirikeb> but how do I change that, because right now I cant get my admin account (the old "1st" account) to work
[23:10] <soussou> anybody has any ideas where the qy4 libraries actually are? I tried building simple qt4 apps, but I can't find those damn libraries, include files are all there, but no object library files
[23:10] <tekteen> Eirikeb: I will look it up
[23:11] <tekteen> Eirikeb: why do you want a separate admin user?
[23:11] <Eirikeb> message I get when I try to log on as eirik using KDE: "Could not start kstartupconfig.   I can do it from the terminal by typing matlab in the /opt/matlab/bin folder, but I want to be able to click on an icon to start it
[23:15] <tekteen> Eirikeb: usermod -a admin eirik
[23:15] <Eirikeb> that prints awhole lot of options
[23:16] <tekteen> ok
[23:16] <Ors> Hi there, I am new to kubuntu and I have some problem with the installation
[23:16] <Eirikeb> -a, --append        append the user to the supplemental groups
[23:16] <tekteen> Eirikeb: usermod -aG admin eirik
[23:16] <tekteen> sorry
[23:17] <tekteen> Ors: what is the problem
[23:17] <Ors> at one point I receive a message that busybox etc. and enter help for a list of build-in commands. However, there is no error message
[23:17] <Eirikeb> usermod: unable to lock password file
[23:17] <Vermux> so what do u think about Firestarter?
[23:17] <tekteen> ok
[23:18] <tekteen> Eirikeb: sudo...
[23:18] <Eirikeb> I had the same problem, fixed it by reinnstalling from an alternate disc, instead of live cd
[23:18] <Eirikeb> heh
[23:18] <Eirikeb> okay, no error message, so I guess it worked
[23:18] <tekteen> ok
[23:18] <tekteen> type exit
[23:19] <tekteen> then type groups
[23:19] <Ors> tekteen: what shall I type?
[23:19] <tekteen> Ors: no idea
[23:19] <cbo> after upgrading to kde-3.5.9 i cannot check 'mount as user' external drives. now it mounts as root:root a can not write on it... any help is wellcome please
[23:19] <tekteen> Ors: do not know the error
[23:19] <Eirikeb> ors, look what I did to fix it, worked for me at least
[23:20] <Eirikeb> groups -> eirik_1 dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev sanner lpadmin
[23:20] <Eirikeb> sanner=scanner
[23:20] <tekteen> Eirikeb: logout
[23:20] <tekteen> log back in
[23:20] <tekteen> now try groups
[23:21] <Eirikeb> the same plus lpadmin admin
[23:21] <Eirikeb> thats good yes?
[23:21] <tekteen> cool
[23:21] <Ors> Eirikeb: what did you do?
[23:21] <yao_ziyuan> there are packages removed but actually whose installation files are still cached on the hard disk. how do i clear them?
[23:21] <tekteen> now go log in to the gui
[23:21] <tekteen> and try it
[23:21] <tekteen> if you are logged in... log out then in
[23:22] <Eirikeb> Ors: I re-installed. I got the same error message while using a live CD, so I just figured i'd try to install with an alternate cd, and that worked
[23:22] <tekteen> you will now be able to use your password as admin
[23:22] <Eirikeb> log in to the guy as in: startx?
[23:22] <tekteen> bye
[23:22] <tekteen> yes
[23:22] <Eirikeb> okay, goodbye, thanks for the help. I owe you a beer : D
[23:22] <tekteen> I am underage :-)
[23:22] <venik> can anyone tell me how to make the matlab starting script execut from a clickable icon?
[23:22] <Eirikeb> not that startx works : P
[23:22] <Ors> Eirikeb: tx
[23:23] <tekteen> give me beer!
[23:23] <tekteen> bye
[23:23] <Eirikeb> Server is allready active for display 0
[23:23] <Eirikeb> bye
[23:23] <Eirikeb> <3
[23:23] <Vermux> who recommend on Firestarter?
[23:23] <venik> what does katapult do?
[23:24] <swatto> whts the command to remove packages please?
[23:24] <swatto> apt-remove or or something?
[23:24] <Eirikeb> good luck Ors : D
[23:24] <venik> apt-get remove package
[23:24] <swatto> cheers
[23:24] <venik> apt-get remove packagename
[23:24] <prince_jammys> venik: katapult is a launcher. it also finds indexed files in your homedir i think.
[23:25] <venik> I clicked on it, saw the sling picture, and then it disappeared
[23:25] <prince_jammys> venik : do alt space
[23:25] <prince_jammys> venik: and then type something like "konq"
[23:26] <prince_jammys>  venik: and you hit enter to run the app
[23:26] <venik> nice-- thanks
[23:26] <venik> but it does not work with the matlab launching script
[23:27] <prince_jammys> venik: it doesn't work with everything. i don't really use it, so i don't know what the exact criteria are
[23:27] <venik> how do I kill it?
[23:27] <venik> I don't want it running in the background
[23:28] <prince_jammys> venik: not sure
[23:28] <prince_jammys> venik: probably somewhere in .kde or in /usr/share/autostart, or maybe thru system-settings
[23:28] <venik> ok
[23:28] <prince_jammys> how about that for a straight answer
[23:29] <venik> I still don't know how to start matlab from an icon... ;-(
[23:29] <prince_jammys> you mean create a launcher for it?
[23:29] <_Angelus_> guys
[23:29] <venik> yes (I guess)
[23:29] <psilocyde> help with setting up a good sources.list file?
[23:29] <_Angelus_> when the new version of kuubuntu is out, would i be able to upgrade without rebooting?
[23:30] <prince_jammys> venik: is "matlab" the name of an executable? meaning can you run it from a terminal
[23:30] <sam64> how would I go about changing the way Konqueror sorts files?
[23:30] <venik> If I am in the right folder, and type matlab, it runs
[23:30] <venik> but if I press alt space and type it, it does nothing
[23:31] <prince_jammys> sam64: view->sort
[23:31] <prince_jammys> venik: try making a launcher for it in the K menuy
[23:31] <sam64> prince_jammys: I want to change the way it does it though. It doesn't sort numbers properly.
[23:32] <venik> prince-- I don't see how to create a launcher from the K menu
[23:32] <prince_jammys> sam64 i think i know what you mean.  it sorts them as strings and not numerically, right?
[23:32] <sam64> prince_jammys: something like that
[23:33] <sam64> prince_jammys: I remember there being a setting, but I don't remember where :\
[23:33] <prince_jammys> venik: first click on the menu, then right click on the menu and click on "edit menu"
[23:33] <prince_jammys> venik: once you're in the menu editor, create new item and make the command for that item be "matlab"
[23:34] <prince_jammys> sam64: yeah i don't know either
[23:34] <sam64> :\
[23:39] <bizzeh> hey, my monitor and gfx card support upto 1680x1050, why can i only use 1400x1050 ?
[23:40] <venik> prince-- I did that, but it did not work
[23:40] <venik> it showed the matlab icon for a couple of seconds, then died
[23:47] <roomy> hi folks
[23:48] <roomy> ive got a problem i just installed a packet from the internet how can i start it ?
[23:48] <cbo> after upgrading to kde-3.5.9 i cannot check 'mount as user' external drives. now it mounts as root:root a can not write on it... any help is wellcome please
[23:48] <roomy> can somebody help me please ?
[23:50] <sergiu> !codec
[23:50] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:52] <psilocyde> I have a fresh kubuntu install here, need help with verry low sound
[23:52] <bizzeh> anyone know why kubuntu doesnt work properly on a widescreen
[23:53] <venik> psil- have u tried the volume control?
[23:53] <psilocyde> lol
[23:53] <psilocyde> yes
[23:53] <psilocyde> ty
[23:53] <psilocyde> thats a fair question
[23:53] <venik> the mixer, I mean, not the one on your sound system
[23:53] <psilocyde> yes
[23:53] <psilocyde> all jacked to 10
[23:54] <psilocyde> and its barely audible
[23:54] <bizzeh> you plugged into the speaker out, and not the line out?
[23:54] <psilocyde> yes
[23:54] <psilocyde> i had this problem before
[23:54] <psilocyde> its a bug
[23:54] <psilocyde> but i dont remeber how to fix it
[23:55] <venik> the sound in kubuntu is rather flaky, in my experience
[23:55] <psilocyde> ya
[23:55] <venik> it often disappears entirely
[23:55] <psilocyde> i see
[23:55] <psilocyde> well
[23:55] <venik> and I reboot to bring it back, as in the WINDOZ days
[23:55] <psilocyde> ya, that dodnt help me.
[23:56] <psilocyde> low on every boot
[23:56] <bizzeh> hmmn
[23:56] <bizzeh> kubuntu installs half as much data than vista
[23:56] <bizzeh> vista installs in half the time
[23:56] <bizzeh> and everything works
[23:56] <xxBasYxx> how to play dvd from VIDEO_TS dir on kub?
[23:56] <bizzeh> ubuntu doesnt recognise my gfx card, and when i got it to do, it wont pick up my full resolution
[23:57] <bizzeh> and now the installer has crashed out on grub install
[23:57] <psilocyde> vista costs many dollars and comes with a drm hypervisor
[23:58] <psilocyde> so what ever
[23:58] <bizzeh> doesnt cost alot when you buy OEM
[23:58] <bizzeh> and doesnt have a drm hypervisor at all
[23:58] <psilocyde> oy
[23:58] <bizzeh> thats FOSS hippie communistic bullshit
[23:58] <psilocyde> oh really?
[23:58] <bizzeh> spread by assholes just to try and damage peoples opinion
[23:59] <psilocyde> i wont argue it with you but read the documentation
[23:59] <roomy> can somebody give me some support ? i've just installed squid (proxy server) but i can't find it im really unexperienced in using linux ...
[23:59] <bizzeh> documentation and actual implementation, are two different things
[23:59] <toker> hi all
[23:59] <bizzeh> asa developer myself, i know this


[05:02] <pitti> Good morning
[07:17] <jibel> Good morning
[08:32] <pitti> jibel: FYI, apport adt still fails because in that run rsyslog only got upgraded, so it still had an empty /var/log/syslog
[08:32] <pitti> jibel: it should succeed again once the VMs refresh; I just built a fresh (local) one, and it works fine
[08:33] <jibel> pitti, they should have been refreshed already. A new image has been published at 0040UTC
[08:34] <pitti> jibel: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-apport/43/ARCH=i386,label=adt/consoleFull shows that rsyslog was upgraded
[08:34] <pitti> jibel: no worries, just wanted to avoid that you investigate again
[08:37] <jibel> pitti, ah new images have been reprovisioned half an hour ago, so running apport tests now would use latest rsyslog
[08:37] <pitti> jibel: ah, great
[08:37]  * pitti pushes button
[08:37]  * pitti tests/uploads u-d-common fix, too
[08:38] <pitti> jibel: I still wonder why I could never reproduce the uuid failure with haveged (even on aldebaran), but I suppose we can revert that as it doesn't seem to help after all; want me to commit?
[08:39] <jibel> pitti, yes please. Also I noticed that most of the time it fails with python-dbg
[08:39] <jibel> is it the version you tried?
[08:40] <pitti> jibel: ah, could be that
[08:40] <pitti> jibel: (committed)
[08:43] <pitti> jibel: -dbg vs. non-dbg doesn't seem to make a difference in current py3.3 failure, though; I think it's just a coincidence
[09:23] <jibel> pitti, I ran test_uuid 100 times in a loop, no failure. I'm wondering if the non-interactive shell makes a difference
[09:23] <pitti> jibel: yeah, I ran a similar loop right in the CI VM; I did get the failures without haveged, and couldn't reproduce with haveged
[09:23] <pitti> jibel: but I'm still fairly convinced that this test is broken
[09:25] <jibel> pitti, I'm fixinb pyotnh3.3 autopkgtest to depends on python3.4 and run tests with 3.4 instead
[09:25] <jibel> *fixing
[09:25] <pitti> ah, thanks
[10:04] <DanChapman> Good Morning
[10:04] <pitti> jibel: nice, so with ntdb it seems that jenkins now runs new tests right away, so that failed tests are held in -proposed?
[10:04] <pitti> hey DanChapman, how are you?
[10:05] <pitti> jibel: (looking into fixing the test)
[10:07] <DanChapman> pitti i'm great thanks, it's been a crazy few days hacking for my university project. How about yourself?
[10:08] <pitti> DanChapman: I'm quite fine, thanks!
[10:10] <jibel> pitti, yes this one is fixed.
[10:10] <jibel> Good morning DanChapman
[10:10] <DanChapman> jibel, good morning o/
[10:18] <DanChapman> jibel, if you get a chance today could you run your eyes over https://code.launchpad.net/~dpniel/ubiquity/autopilot/+merge/196945 for me please. :-)
[10:22] <pitti> jibel: oh, bug? ubuntu-drivers-common 0.2.87 just went into trusty, but its test is still running: http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-ubuntu-drivers-common/18/
[10:22] <pitti> jibel: 0.2.86 succeeded (and was requested earlier)
[10:22] <pitti> but I guess britney should have waited for the .87 result
[10:24] <jibel> pitti, looking
[10:55] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:56] <DanChapman> morning slickymaster
[10:56] <slickymaster> hi DanChapman
[10:56] <slickymaster> DanChapman: need a favor
[10:56] <DanChapman> slickymaster sure, if I can help :-)
[10:57] <slickymaster> as you are now Testcase Admin, can you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/197801 and update the tracker
[10:58] <slickymaster> DanChapman, it's a simple fix, just a mere grammar correction
[10:59] <DanChapman> slickymaster, sure I can merge it but I have no idea about updating the tracker. :-S have I got access to that then?
[10:59] <slickymaster> DanChapman: I would assume so
[10:59] <slickymaster> maybe balloons can cast a light on that
[11:00] <slickymaster> balloons: ping
[11:00] <slickymaster> are you awake, already?
[11:00] <DanChapman> slickymaster well I will get it merged for you and speak to balloons in a bit when he's about
[11:01] <slickymaster> okie dokie Dan. Thanks
[11:01] <DanChapman> np
[11:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:11] <slickymaster> morning davmor2
[11:45] <slickymaster> DanChapman: nevermind that, knome already done it
[11:46] <knome> DanChapman, sorry! :)
[11:46] <DanChapman> slickymaster lol no problem mate :-)
[11:47] <slickymaster> :)
[12:44] <elopio> good morning people.
[15:27] <balloons> DanChapman, slickymaster everything taken care of?
[15:29] <slickymaster> hi balloons
[15:29] <slickymaster> yes, everything is solved
[15:30] <slickymaster> knome: already proceeded with the merge and update the tracker
[15:31] <slickymaster> balloons: a question still remains, does DanChapman have permissions to update the tracker?
[15:33] <balloons> slickymaster, hmm.. probably not. I have a sync tool that does it. Knome is part of xubuntu release so he has it
[15:34]  * DanChapman waves to balloons
[15:35] <slickymaster> anyway balloons, everything needed to be done, is done
[15:36]  * balloons waves to DanChapman
[17:13] <dkessel> good evening
[17:16] <balloons> dkessel, evening ;-)
[17:16] <balloons> when is membership meeting?
[17:16] <dkessel> at 22 UTC. that's in 5 hours i think?
[17:17] <dkessel> yup in 5 hours
[17:21] <dkessel> balloons, do you think you can attend at 22 utc?
[17:21] <balloons> dkessel, yes, ping me to remind me, I'll be there
[17:21] <dkessel> ok fine :)
[17:22] <balloons> it's in #ubuntu-meeting yes?
[17:22] <dkessel> yes it is
[19:09] <dkessel> balloons, testclick.sh failed running a test after setting everything up... now i am trying to run 'phablet-test-run -v ubuntu_weather_app' which fails too:
[19:10] <balloons> dkessel, oO
[19:10] <dkessel> balloons, oh wait... the problem could be in front of the screen..... :)
[19:10] <balloons> lol
[19:26]  * dkessel rebuilds emulator sd card....
[19:31] <dkessel> prost!
[19:48] <dkessel> balloons, mhh testclick.sh failed again... and i had to base64 encode the log file to be able to upload it... log is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6526365/
[19:48] <balloons> dkessel, base64 encoded?
[19:48] <dkessel> balloons, base64 -d <file> to read it ;)
[19:49] <balloons> dkessel, sure, but lol.. compression ftw
[19:49] <dkessel> yes it contains some invalid chars and is otherwise cut.....
[19:49] <dkessel> mhh better alternative idea for next time?
[19:50] <balloons> dkessel, "error: device not found" seems to be the important piece
[19:50] <balloons> dkessel, no, it was creative and worked fine :-)
[19:50] <dkessel> yeah... the emulator is runnning
[19:51] <balloons> hmm.. not tried it that way
[19:51] <balloons> dkessel, well, you can manually copy and install the click package onto the emulator
[19:51] <balloons> once it's installed you can just use phablet-test-run to run it  :)
[19:57] <balloons> dkessel, does that make sense or ?
[19:58] <dkessel> balloons, I am trying to figure out the "manually copy and install the click package" part of it ;D
[19:58] <balloons> dkessel, look at the script.. it builds inside /tmp.. you can see it use adb push and then click install :-)
[19:59] <dkessel> ah well... it seems i don't need to do that. the data is on the phone...
[20:06] <dkessel> balloons, "yay"... result of 'phablet-test-run ubuntu_weather_app' : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6526448/
[20:18] <balloons> dkessel, ?
[20:18] <balloons> hello Letozaf_
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello :D
[20:19] <balloons> dkessel, so phablet-test-run doesn't like the emulator either :-)
[20:19] <balloons> well you can run the tests directly on the device
[20:19] <balloons> autopilot run as usual
[20:23] <dkessel> good evening Letozaf_
[20:23] <Letozaf_> dkessel, hello :D
[20:40]  * dkessel waits another 5 minutes for all ubuntu-weather-app tests to fail... this time with log file....
[21:02] <dkessel> done... balloons what do you think about these errors? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6526692/
[21:02] <balloons> dkessel, mmm.. doesn't look like anything ran
[21:05] <dkessel> yup... /dev/uinput missing? is that some wrong configuration in the emulator?
[21:25] <balloons> dkessel, I've never used the emulator to run tests
[21:25] <balloons> so sadly I'm not sure.. it might be good to ask ogra in #ubunntu-touch
[21:45] <dkessel> ok, doing...
[21:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, slowly I'm learning to use lp properly :P
[21:54] <Letozaf_> balloons, how come I ran pep8 on music app tests and did not get errors and in Jenkins instead I get:
[21:54] <Letozaf_> + pep8 --repeat --show-source .
[21:54] <Letozaf_> ./tests/autopilot/music_app/tests/test_music.py:313:1: W391 blank line at end of file
[21:54] <Letozaf_> ^
[21:54] <Letozaf_> ./debian/music-app-autopilot/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/music_app/tests/test_music.py:313:1: W391 blank line at end of file
[21:55] <njin> Ballons, hallo are you using trusty ?
[21:55] <njin> ballons :^^
[21:55] <Letozaf_> njin, hello o/
[21:55] <knome> njin, ba[tab]
[21:56] <njin> hello guys
[21:56] <knome> hullo
[21:56] <dkessel> good evening njin
[21:56] <njin> goodevenig everybosdy
[21:56] <dkessel> and knome, also
[21:57] <njin> someone in trusty have troble with the dash ?
[21:57] <knome> hello dkessel
[21:57] <dkessel> what trouble exactly? i am running trusty
[21:57] <njin> the search not working
[21:58] <dkessel> searching for... files? apps? anything at all... not working?
[21:58] <dkessel> it is working fine here...
[21:58] <njin> all dead mine...dunno i've just installed some dbg lib and ko
[22:00] <balloons> njin, hello!
[22:00] <njin> hy balloons
[22:00] <balloons> dkessel, I asked in #ubuntu-autopilot also :-)
[22:00] <njin> balloons is ok your search in trusty ?
[22:01] <balloons> njin, yes dash works fine
[22:01] <dkessel> balloons, i guess it should start in #ubuntu-meeting soon
[22:01] <balloons> I suppose I should update.. when did it start happening for you?
[22:01] <njin> ok then mine only is gone
[22:02] <njin> mine is broken from some days after installing soem dbg libs
[22:03] <njin> some
[22:03] <balloons> njin, I've not done anything wild on this box, like say install unity8 just yet
[22:03] <njin> me too, nothing...
[22:03] <njin> but now is gone
[22:03] <balloons> :-(
[22:04] <njin> I've opened a report btw
[22:08] <balloons> njin, excellent. Would be interested to see what broke it
[22:08] <njin> going to see just now...


[01:42] <InHisName> CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_OLDGNU_COMPATIBILITY is not set  <--- anyone know how I find this to change the setting ?
[01:43] <InHisName> Its a setting affecting tar and busybox.
[03:49] <EvilResistance> sounds like a runtime config or something
[09:16] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:59] <rmg51> Morning
[11:45] <JonathanD> whats up rmg51
[12:02] <rmg51> not much
[13:08] <teddy-dbear> morning
[14:40] <InHisName> good morning all
[14:40] <InHisName> who's good at regex ?
[16:41] <rhpot1991> InHisName: I could prob help you
[16:41] <rhpot1991> depending on the language you are using
[22:52] <InHisName> rhpot1991: I found another way to do what I wanted.  Thanks for the offer.


[16:00] <matsubara> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is matsubara.
[16:00] <matsubara> Welcome to this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. For the next 45 minutes or so, we'll be coordinating the resolution of specific Launchpad bugs and issues.
[16:00] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Roll Call
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Roll Call
[16:00] <sinzui> me
[16:01] <matsubara> Not on the Launchpad Dev team? Welcome! Come "me" with the rest of us!
[16:01] <stub> me
[16:01] <matsubara> Chex, gary_poster, rockstar, bigjools, hi
[16:01] <matsubara> allenap, hi
[16:01] <gary_poster> me
[16:01] <henninge-sprint> ignore me
[16:01] <matsubara> translations are excused today because they're sprinting
[16:01] <bigjools> me
[16:02] <allenap> me
[16:02] <Chex> me
[16:02] <matsubara> ok, rockstar can join in later
[16:03] <matsubara> [TOPIC] Agenda
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agenda
[16:03] <matsubara>  * Actions from last meeting
[16:03] <matsubara>  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[16:03] <matsubara>  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[16:03] <matsubara>  * DBA report (stub)
[16:03] <matsubara>  * Proposed items
[16:03] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Actions from last meeting
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Actions from last meeting
[16:03] <matsubara> * matsubara to trawl logs related to high load on edge yesterday and ping Chex about it
[16:03] <matsubara> * matsubara to talk to gary about bug 436640
[16:03] <matsubara> * Ursinha to talk to rockstar about failing update_preview_diffs script
[16:03] <matsubara> * allenap to talk to Bugs team about bug 438985 and have it fixed.
[16:03] <matsubara> * Chex to email the list about the automated LP cherry pick process
[16:03] <allenap> gmb is working on bug 438985 as of yesterday.
[16:03] <allenap> He's not here today, so I don't know how that's going.
[16:03] <matsubara>  I did talk to gary_poster about bug 436640 and I landed a fix for it yesterday.
[16:04] <matsubara> but I still suck for not trawling the logs...
[16:04] <gary_poster> yes, yay!
[16:04] <matsubara> [action] * matsubara to trawl logs related to high load on edge yesterday and ping Chex about it
[16:04] <MootBot> ACTION received:  * matsubara to trawl logs related to high load on edge yesterday and ping Chex about it
[16:04] <Ursinha> I did talk to rockstar and abentley and they're already discussing that in another thread
[16:04] <matsubara> thanks allenap and Ursinha
[16:05] <matsubara> I think Francis emailed the list about the new CP process. Is that correct Chex?
[16:06] <Chex> matsubara: yes I believe so, but the new process is on hold at the moment
[16:07] <matsubara> Chex, right. that's fine. thanks
[16:07] <matsubara> let's move on
[16:07] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Oops report & Critical Bugs & Broken scripts
[16:07] <matsubara> OOPS-1374EA1128 for soyuz or foundations
[16:07]  * bigjools looks
[16:08]  * gary_poster does too
[16:08] <matsubara> it's an api operation failing in some librarian thing
[16:08] <bigjools> that's related to a soyuz bug
[16:08] <bigjools> bug 443075
[16:08] <bigjools> and is in progress
[16:08] <matsubara> bigjools, related in the sense that it'll be fixed when a fix for 443075 lands?
[16:08] <bigjools> yes
[16:08] <matsubara> cool. thanks
[16:08] <bigjools> np
[16:09] <matsubara> and now properly linked to the bug report :-)
[16:09] <matsubara> allenap, can you confirm OOPS-1371EB1331 is the same as bug 394097
[16:09] <matsubara> ?
[16:09]  * allenap looks
[16:09] <bigjools> matsubara: what is "properly linked?"
[16:10] <rockstar> Sorry I'm late...
[16:10] <matsubara> sinzui, do you know if barry succeeded in CP the expaterror fix?
[16:10] <sinzui> he informed me that it was up to you to champion that since we know the problem does not affect users
[16:11] <allenap> matsubara: Yes, they look the same.
[16:11] <sinzui> matsubara: I believe it is on the CP request list
[16:11] <matsubara> allenap, abel explains in bug 438671 it's a won't fix. so it means the OOPS is informational only?
[16:11] <matsubara> thanks allenap
[16:12] <matsubara> bigjools, linked the oops to the bug report. oops summaries will contain a link to the bug report from now on
[16:12] <bigjools> ah
[16:12] <bigjools> can anyone do that?
[16:12] <matsubara> yep, anyone with access to lp-oops.canonical.com
[16:13] <allenap> matsubara: ISTR that Abel mentioned that on a stand-up; yes these are informational only.
[16:13] <gary_poster> matsubara: time to introduce "handling" ;-)
[16:13] <matsubara> sinzui, if it's there, than it's all fine. thanks
[16:13] <matsubara> gary_poster, yeah, I'm going to announce that :-)
[16:13] <gary_poster> cool
[16:14] <matsubara> so, I landed a new api to our ErrorReportingUtility yesterday which marks oops reports as informational only
[16:14] <allenap> matsubara: Those OOPSes are more likely to indicate a bug in the client.
[16:14] <matsubara> I'll email the devel list and let you know more details
[16:15] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to email the devel list about the new api method
[16:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to email the devel list about the new api method
[16:15] <allenap> mars: It might be interesting to use the User-Agent in those OOPSes to file bugs against the clients, i.e. checkbox-gtk.
[16:16] <matsubara> allenap, right. I'll file a bug to have those marked as informational only
[16:16] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to file a bug to have the HWSubmissionMissingFields oopses as informational only (note to self: see bug 438671 for more details)
[16:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to file a bug to have the HWSubmissionMissingFields oopses as informational only (note to self: see bug 438671 for more details)
[16:17] <matsubara> scripts failures for this week:
[16:18] <matsubara> the librarian-gc failed
[16:18] <matsubara> on the 3rd and the 6th
[16:18] <matsubara> stub, Chex: do you know anything about it? can you follow up on the failure email please?
[16:19] <stub> This has now been fixed
[16:19] <stub> The last run worked fine - required cherry picks have all been made.
[16:19] <matsubara> cool. thanks stub
[16:20] <matsubara> for the critical bugs, we have only one in progress, which is a translations bug.
[16:20] <matsubara> all the others are fix committed
[16:20] <matsubara> I think that's all for this section. thanks everyone
[16:21] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[16:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Operations report (mthaddon/Chex/spm/mbarnett)
[16:22] <matsubara> Chex, ?
[16:22] <Chex> hello everyone
[16:22] <Chex> Here is our LOSA report for this week:
[16:22] <Chex> - Automated LP Cherry Picks: The automated CP processing into PQM has been disabled for now due to Bug: 442934. We would appreciate to know the status of getting this issue addressed.
[16:22] <Chex> - SplitIt setup: We have received the new hardware in the Datecentre, and we are in the process of
[16:22] <Chex> configuring & setting up LP on these new systems now.
[16:22] <Chex> - New "QA Info" column in the Incident Log: We have a new column in the incident log that the Dev's can
[16:22] <Chex> fill in to document ways of fixing the production incidents we list.  We suggest that someone reviews the new
[16:22] <Chex> items on the page and make comments on them at least once a week.
[16:22] <Chex> - LP incidents of note: Codebrowse restarted many times as usual; CPs applied: CP 9638, 9646 to loganberry ;
[16:22] <Chex>         CP 9588, 9610, 9621 to librarian2, xmlrpc-internal, bzrsyncd, mailman
[16:23] <Chex> Does anyone have any questions or comments?
[16:24] <gary_poster> Chex: flacoste is pretty interested in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/pqm/+bug/442934 too .  He has it in his to-do list to pursue.
[16:24] <matsubara> Chex, about the splitit setup, are we expecting any new oops ids? I glanced over the email about it and notice that there will be lots of new instances running
[16:24] <matsubara> s/oops ids/oops prefixes/
[16:24] <gary_poster> (I'm interested too, but he's going to do something about it :-) )
[16:24] <allenap> Chex: Was that for lp-source-dependencies?
[16:24] <stub> If I recall from the email conversation, that bug is on a feature we don't actually need to be using.
[16:24] <stub> (because we have no need to freeze the revision of the dependencies branch being used).
[16:25] <allenap> Chex: Because... what stub said.
[16:25] <matsubara> rockstar, any news about the code browse issue?
[16:25] <Chex> matsubara: not sure about the OOPS ids, but I believe we will need that. I will check on that for you
[16:25] <rockstar> matsubara, not yet.
[16:25] <matsubara> [action] chex to check the new oops prefixes added by the splitit setup and inform matsubara
[16:25] <MootBot> ACTION received:  chex to check the new oops prefixes added by the splitit setup and inform matsubara
[16:26] <mthaddon> matsubara: for new OOPS ids see the lp-production-configs trunk branch
[16:26] <Chex> allenap: ok, I will check into that bug status, then. I am not sure of that issue myself.
[16:26] <gary_poster> stub, allenap, Chex: we need bug 442934 for the branches in sourcecode
[16:26] <matsubara> thanks mthaddon
[16:26] <mthaddon> matsubara: can we 'unaction' that one from Chex?
[16:26] <gary_poster> not for the buildout-related branch
[16:27] <matsubara> [action] matsubara to ignore the previous Chex action and look in lp-production-configs for the new oops prefixes.
[16:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  matsubara to ignore the previous Chex action and look in lp-production-configs for the new oops prefixes.
[16:27] <mthaddon> cool, thx
[16:29] <matsubara> Chex, about the QA info column, do you have a handy link?
[16:29] <Chex> matsubara: sure, I should have included that
[16:29] <Chex> https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/LPIncidentLog
[16:29] <matsubara> thanks Chex
[16:30] <matsubara> [action] all QA contacts to inform their teams about the new QA column and what they should do about it.
[16:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  all QA contacts to inform their teams about the new QA column and what they should do about it.
[16:30] <matsubara> Chex, did you send an email about the new QA column to the list?
[16:31] <Chex> matsubara: no I did not, but I can do that for you.
[16:31] <matsubara> if not, it'd be great if you could send it and explain what you the losas expects there
[16:31] <matsubara> thanks Chex
[16:31] <Chex> matsubara: sure, no problem
[16:31] <matsubara> [action] Chex to email the list about the new QA column in https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/LPIncidentLog
[16:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Chex to email the list about the new QA column in https://wiki.canonical.com/InformationInfrastructure/OSA/LPIncidentLog
[16:32] <matsubara> let's move on
[16:32] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * DBA report (stub)
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  * DBA report (stub)
[16:32] <stub> The database patch approval process has changed. Previously, they went through me and then had to get a second level of approval by Mark at a monthly meeting. Now they just need to be approved by both myself and jml. We should now be able to track everything with merge proposals and the system will be much less time sensitive, allowing reviews to happen throughout the cycle.
[16:32] <stub> A new database replica is being brought online as I type. It will be left running as a replica for a few days to ensure it has no problems keeping up (it doesn't have much RAM). Assuming the burn in goes fine, it will become the master for the authdb replication set as part of the ongoing process to separate the authentication systems from Launchpad.
[16:32] <stub> The databases will all need to be bounced soon to increase the maximum number of connections. We need to do this as we are bringing new appservers on line (per the results of the performance sprint in Montreal). Assuming tests on staging go well, we should be able to do this with no end-user noticeable effects as the database reconnection handling with handle the short outage just fine.
[16:32] <stub> Bug #426823 is tracking the progress of getting Launchpad to run with PostgreSQL 8.4. At the moment, it looks like we will need to wait until 8.4.2 as we are tickling a PostgreSQL bug. This bug has been tracked down with upstream and a patch is available, but I'd prefer if we stuck to official releases than assembling our own package. We are also blocked by the release of Slony-I 1.2.17, assuming we don't want to move forward with using the
[16:32] <stub> There are still some test failures to address with PG 8.4. Some are ordering problems where we were incorrectly relying on database ordering, other issues might be more serious where we are obtaining different results than under 8.3. I may pass some of these onto the teams to see if something is broken under 8.4 or if the issue is benign.
[16:32] <stub> oot.
[16:34] <matsubara> questions for stub?
[16:35] <matsubara> thanks stub
[16:35] <matsubara> [TOPIC] * Proposed items
[16:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  * Proposed items
[16:35] <matsubara> no new proposed item
[16:36] <matsubara> anything else before I close?
[16:36] <matsubara> 4
[16:36] <matsubara> 3
[16:36] <matsubara> 2
[16:36] <matsubara> 1
[16:36] <matsubara> Thank you all for attending this week's Launchpad Production Meeting. See https://dev.launchpad.net/MeetingAgenda for the logs.
[16:36] <matsubara> #endmeeting
[16:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:36.
[16:36] <gary_poster> thanks matsubara!
[16:38] <allenap> stub: I'm just catching up. One line got truncated, ends with "assuming we don't want to move forward with using th". Can you paste from there?
[16:39] <stub> assuming we don't want to move forward with using the release candidate. I'll land the branch allowing people to run 'make schema' with PG 8.4, but I don't recommend anyone do this yet because the PG bug we are tickling is fairly pervasive and it will end in frustration.
[16:40] <allenap> stub: Thanks :)


[19:30] <hajour> TheMuso, we have a meeting on this moment
[20:28] <hajour> duanedesign,  will you plz put the master thing from my name
[20:30] <duanedesign> hajour: remove youname from the wiki?
[20:31] <duanedesign> your name*
[20:31] <hajour> they said they had made me master
[20:31] <duanedesign> ohh
[20:31] <hajour> i don't want the master titel anymore
[20:31] <duanedesign> :(
[20:32] <hajour> i have a lot to say but don't no where
[20:32] <duanedesign> ok
[20:32] <hajour> ubt says to want to make more involving programs
[20:32] <hajour> and give true techniligy
[20:33] <hajour> technolechy
[20:33] <duanedesign> you can PM me if you wat
[20:33] <duanedesign> want*
[20:33] <hajour> btw i am not burnt out
[20:33] <hajour> i just piont to UBT there own rules
[20:33] <hajour> point
[20:34] <hajour> sorry for the language mistakes
[20:34] <hajour> yes i know what is told in ubuntu beginners team
[20:34] <hajour> don't tell story s about me who ever have said that
[20:35] <hajour> what are not true
[20:35] <duanedesign> we can talk anout this in a PM
[20:35] <hajour> why there is telling lies aboutme in open chat
[20:35] <hajour> why i then cant defend myself in open chat


[02:51] <hloeung> ppa.lp.net going down in 10 mins for quick maintenance
[03:00] <hloeung> ppa.lp.net donw for maintenance
[03:07] <hloeung> done
[07:24] <cpaelzer> cjwatson: wgrant. (others?): the builders again are soemwhat stuck
[07:24] <wgrant> cpaelzer: Looking
[07:24] <cpaelzer> actually more than I've seen every before so maybe this is not one of the usual "please bump"
[07:25] <cpaelzer> but I'll leave that to you
[07:25] <wgrant> cpaelzer: Looks okay to me, what's the issue you're seeing?
[07:25] <cpaelzer> really, let me make sure I refreshed that ...
[07:25] <cpaelzer> https://launchpad.net/builders
[07:25] <cpaelzer> well I assumed that 6 day queues are the same usual issue
[07:25] <cpaelzer> but maybe ther just is that much load?
[07:26] <cpaelzer> oh I see
[07:26] <cpaelzer> "ubuntu/test-rebuild-20190614"
[07:26] <wgrant> cpaelzer: It's a test rebuild.
[07:26] <wgrant> But normal builds will be scheduled in front of it.
[07:26] <wgrant> If you have a particular stuck build we can investigate.
[07:27] <cpaelzer> I'll give it a few minutes for the prios to kick in on the next finish
[07:27] <cpaelzer> should be fine
[07:27] <cpaelzer> and I'll not which builders are in "cleaning" as sometimes they seem to not recover
[07:27] <cpaelzer> note to myself atm 4-7, 9, 11, 13, 17-19
[07:28] <cpaelzer> no I think we are good wgrant
[07:28] <cpaelzer> sorry for the noise
[07:28] <wgrant> We track the cleanings fairly closely during this sort of event
[07:28] <cpaelzer> I assumed on the long queues we might again be stuck on cleanup, but we arent
[07:28] <wgrant> Heh that would be pretty impressive
[08:45] <acheronuk> livefs build seems 'stuck'? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/eoan/kubuntu/+build/170391
[08:45] <acheronuk> same for ubuntu https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/eoan/ubuntu/+build/170405
[08:46] <cjwatson> buildd-manager seems to be working happily enough
[08:47] <cjwatson> Though the job apparently finished (according to its logs) quite a few hours ago and it hasn't finished fetching it, so might be more subtly stuck
[08:48] <cjwatson> Anyway, I'm off today so can't look
[08:59] <acheronuk> cjwatson: thanks. I just looked at yesterdays livefs, and the log says it took about 15mins, but the LP page says 'took 6 hours, 15 minutes'. the full cd-build-logs also show there was that ~6hr hang
[09:00] <acheronuk> so something is amiss, but hopefully will complete after a delay
[15:19] <Coda_Sailor> How do I reopen an "Solved" answer?
[15:58] <bryce> hi, need help with an account issue
[15:59] <bryce> my uploads are getting associated with an incorrect account - 'brmce' instead of 'bryce'
[15:59] <bryce> If you look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/exim4/4.92-7ubuntu1 you can see Uploaded by is linking to https://launchpad.net/~brmce instead of https://launchpad.net/~bryce
[16:00] <bryce> 'brmce' doesn't appear anywhere in my local configs nor in the .changes or .dsc I used to upload, so I can't spot where this misconnection occurred
[16:01] <bryce> it is also present on a recent dovecot upload and I believe on logwatch as well, so is not something package-specific
[21:40] <wgrant> bryce: The link occurs by email address. See the link on https://launchpad.net/~brmce to merge the account into your main one and add the email address to your account.
[21:46] <bryce> wgrant, alright thanks
[21:47] <wgrant> bryce: The issue is you don't have canonical.com addresses on your main LP account
[21:47] <wgrant> So a new placeholder was created when LP saw you upload with it again
[21:48] <bryce> huh, interesting.  I take it it just randomly changes a char in the firstname or something?
[21:49] <wgrant> bryce: It normally tries to append innocuous characters first, but those must have collided too
[21:49] <wgrant> Permuting a random character is close to a last resort
[21:49] <wgrant> iirc
[21:50] <bryce> I should go ahead and add<EMAIL_ADDRESS>while I'm at it
[21:51] <wgrant> Indeed.
[21:51] <wgrant> I see the merge has worked though
[21:51] <wgrant> You should also remove any obsolete OpenPGP or SSH keys
[21:51] <wgrant> e.g. there's a couple of 1024Ds there
[21:51] <bryce> ah yes, will do
[21:52] <wgrant> bryce: Also revoke any old clients from https://dogfood.paddev.net/%7Ebryce/+oauth-tokens
[21:52] <wgrant> er
[21:52] <wgrant> https://launchpad.net/%7Ebryce/+oauth-tokens
[21:53] <teward> 'dogfood' - fun names for instances heh.  :)
[21:54] <bryce> wgrant, ok that's quite a list, but think most all of those are obsolete.  I'll cull it down.  Thanks!
[22:00] <rbasak> "Permuting a random character is close to a last resort"
[22:00] <rbasak> Wow!
[22:00] <rbasak> I was convinced it was caused by a typo because of that permutation :)
[22:06] <wgrant> Nope
[22:06]  * wgrant finds the code
[22:09] <wgrant> https://git.launchpad.net/launchpad/tree/lib/lp/registry/model/person.py#n4298
[22:11] <sarnold> pity attempts isn't logged :)
[22:12] <bryce> I like the exception.  "some twonk"
[22:12] <wgrant> sarnold: So funny story
[22:13] <sarnold> bryce: hah, I overlooked that :)
[22:13] <teward> LOL xD
[22:13] <teward> must read that exception xD
[22:13] <teward> just*
[22:14] <wgrant> sarnold: Originally generate_nick was run on the whole email address so you ended up with something like foo-gmail. But that revealed too much of the email address, so it was changed to just use the local part (so foo).
[22:14] <wgrant> But of course many local parts collide
[22:14] <wgrant> And it seeded the RNG from only the localpart
[22:14] <wgrant> So we ended up with hundreds of deterministic mutations of "lp"
[22:14] <sarnold> ohhhhhh nooo
[22:14] <wgrant> We had usernames that were more than 200 characters long as a result of it
[22:14] <sarnold> "why does it take ten minutes to create a new user account?"
[22:14] <bryce> hah
[22:15] <wgrant> They all look very random
[22:15] <sarnold> "mine just created in seconds"
[22:15] <wgrant> 78luphr0rnk2nuqimstywepozxn9kl19tqh0tx66b5dki1xx-launchpad-a811i2i3ytqlsztthjth0svbccw8inm65tmkqp9sarr553jq
[22:15] <wgrant> 78luphr0rnk2nuqimstywepozxn9kl19tqh0tx66b5dki1xxs-phn5hho65-a811i2i3ytqlsztthjth0svbccw8inm65tmkqp9sarr553jq5
[22:15] <wgrant> random, but suspiciously similar
[22:15] <wgrant> 78luphr0rnk2nuqimstywepozxn9kl19tqh0tx66b5dki1xxsh5mkz9gl21a5rlwfnr-launchpad-a811i2i3ytqlsztthjth0svbccw8inm65tmkqp9sarr553jq53in4xm1m8wn3o4rlwa
[22:15] <wgrant> Was very confusing before we worked it out :)
[22:15] <sarnold> yeah, I can imagine it wasn't real obvious :)
[22:16] <sarnold> did you wind up swapping out all those user names? those urls would be pretty unwieldy to use, but they aren't needed often..
[22:16] <sarnold> how many needed changing?
[22:16] <wgrant> We didn't go back and fix them.
[22:17] <wgrant> There are maybe a thousand past 100 characters, not many.
[22:18] <sarnold> no complaints? :)
[22:18] <wgrant> People could always change their username
[22:18] <wgrant> So anyone who cared had already fixed it
[22:19] <sarnold> oh! I never noticed that :)
[22:20] <sarnold> (or maybe I did, is that the one where you can't change your name if you've got PPAs?
[22:20] <wgrant> It's locked while you have live PPAs
[22:20] <wgrant> Yeah
[23:04] <teward> wgrant: is there a bug about longer-than-4digits CVE codes?
[23:04] <teward> wrt bugs and CVE linking
[23:06] <wgrant> teward: They work fine
[23:06] <wgrant> AFAIK
[23:07] <teward> wgrant: they don't
[23:07] <teward> 2019-12816 <-- "Invalid format" - unless it needs CVE- before it?
[23:07] <sarnold> teward: you can paste long cves into a comment and launchpad will scrape them out of it
[23:07] <teward> or is that a "CVE Not Listed" issue?
[23:07] <teward> 2019-12816 is not a known CVE sequence number. <-- this is what i hit
[23:08] <teward> sarnold: oh good you're alive
[23:08] <teward> you can answer the question in -hardened nwo :)
[23:08] <teward> now*
[23:09] <wgrant> That sounds like it wasn't in the last dump we imported from Mitre
[23:09] <wgrant> LP's supported up to 7 digits since 2014 from what I can see
[23:11] <teward> ah.
[23:11] <teward> wgrant: when was the last import?
[23:12] <wgrant> 2019-06-17 08:48:40 ERROR   Unable to connect for CVE database https://cve.mitre.org/data/downloads/allitems.xml.gz
[23:12] <wgrant> I wonder why
[23:14] <sarnold> curious indeed. I can scrape it from my home machine
[23:15] <wgrant> Yeah, probably an internal proxy issue


[12:23] <ricotz> tjaalton, hi, dropping libgles1 seems like a bold move
[12:25] <ricotz> although it seems only vlc gets hit by it
[12:26] <tjaalton> fedora hasn't had it
[12:27] <tjaalton> for four years or so
[12:29] <ricotz> seems to get problematic with backporting, since vlc is quite important, I guess
[12:30] <ricotz> and yeah, it is quite overdue to do so
[12:34] <ricotz> tjaalton, btw, let me if about the progress for the xenial ppa packages
[13:01] <tjaalton> ricotz: i put them in x-swat/updates for now
[13:07] <ricotz> tjaalton, ok, make sure to built all required archs (amd64/i386/armhf), or let me known which should be enabled addtionally
[13:07] <ricotz> also whether to enable dbgsym support
[13:09] <tjaalton> yeah i'll enable those from the ppa options
[13:24] <ricotz> tjaalton, what about arm64?
[13:27] <tjaalton> that too
[13:38] <tjaalton> looks like new archs will build only new uploads, not the old ones
[13:52] <ricotz> tjaalton, you can binary-copy them to "this ppa"
[13:53] <ricotz> tjaalton, I did it for llvm to begin with
[14:03] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[14:03] <tjaalton> cool
[22:26] <soee> nvidia drivers work with kernel 4.10?


[10:21] <ev> so funny story, apt-clone isn't exactly fast in repacking 500MB worth of debs
[10:21] <ev> I should really finish the wireless page in 11.10
[10:21] <ev> a
[10:21] <ev> as having an Internet connection completely avoids this problem
[10:22] <ev> plus everything else in the installer that's improved with a network connection
[10:22] <ev> geoname, langpacks, downloading updates, etc
[10:47] <ev> ugh, I failed to consider that the cache on the target system will have much newer versions of all the repacked debs, obviously
[10:52] <cjwatson> hiya
[10:52] <ev> welcome back
[10:55] <cjwatson> how's the week been so far?
[11:00] <ev> a bit too quiet
[11:01] <ev> no shortage of issues, but nothing that's causing a stir
[11:01] <ev> not as far as I'm aware, anyway
[11:03] <ev> good holiday?
[11:03] <cjwatson> not too bad thanks, good to have a break from work
[11:04] <ev> are going to take advantage of the double long weekends?
[11:04] <ev> are you*
[11:04] <cjwatson> plans for the day include bug 746313, bug 759545, maybe bug 764893, and bug 683904 if I get a chance; unless there's something more urgent I should be working on
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746313 in ubiquity "partman should reuse existing BIOS Boot Partition" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746313
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 759545 in grub2 "user prompted to update unmodified grub configuration during Ubuntu server upgrade" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759545
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 764893 in os-prober "os-prober: does not detect Ubuntu in btrfs subvolume" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/764893
[11:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683904 in grub2 "natty: memtest86+ fails to run, reboots immediately" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683904
[11:04] <ev> dear. lord.
[11:04] <cjwatson> I'm planning to actually get some sleep
[11:05] <ev> haha, a good idea, I'm sure
[11:06] <ev> I'm currently working on bug 766171, but I'm growing tempted to switch off the upgrade option for installs lacking an Internet connection
[11:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 766171 in apt-clone "apt-clone does not repack debs that it will not be able to download when there isn't an Internet connection" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766171
[11:06] <cjwatson> might not be a bad idea ...
[11:07] <ev> yeah, I wanted to give it my best go, as it's a really nice feature to have, but it's growing increasingly complex as I discover new facets to the bug.
[11:44] <ev> okay, mpt and I talked it over and we're going to keep the option but change the text dependent on whether there's an active Internet connection (like how the prepare page works): https://docs.google.com/View?docid=0AU5sFuLRpCpBZGZra2pqY2pfMTAxZ25rcnBnNXY&hl=en#4_5_1_Automatic_partitioning_o_8475526086986065
[11:44] <ev> cjwatson: do you think this is a sufficiently critical problem to warrant the late string change?
[11:44] <ev> err addition
[11:45] <ev> personally, I think displaying something in English is better than hiding the option and thus offering no explanation at all
[11:46] <ev> (oh, and this is in the "Ubuntu {older version} on it..." box)
[11:53] <Kurisutian> genec: Hey there! Got a minute to go through the installe process with btrfs?
[11:57] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Are you there?
[11:59] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: I tried to install natty server 64bit from beta2 on btrfs as you recommended but it still did not work at all... got the same errors and weird behavior of the installer
[12:20] <Kurisutian> genec: Are you there?
[12:22] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: I'm retrying it at the momenet
[12:22] <cjwatson> *moment
[12:23] <cjwatson> ev: I don't see the proposed change in the Google docs link - can you point me to it specificaly?
[12:23] <cjwatson> oh, I see it now
[12:23] <cjwatson> ev: we should keep the "System-wide settings will be cleared" bit
[12:24] <genec> Kurisutian: yes, had a connection issue but solved now
[12:24] <cjwatson> (IMO)
[12:24] <ev> cjwatson: agreed.  mpt, are you okay with that?
[12:24] <cjwatson> ev: I think at this point, I'm leaning towards preferring to disable the option for 11.04 than change the string, though
[12:25] <cjwatson> I mean, if there's no network connection
[12:25] <Kurisutian> genec cjwatson: I did the install again, but it still wanted to mount a non existing /home mountpoint (I'm only using /). Also when mounting the btrfs mounted partition manually first without manually re-formating it to btrfs, mount complains it wouldn't be an ntfs partition???
[12:25] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: do you have full logs?
[12:25] <ev> cjwatson: oh? Could you elaborate on why?
[12:25] <mpt> ev, done
[12:26] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Where can I find them exactly? Machine is still running so I could get them rather easy out there....
[12:26] <cjwatson> ev: because it's a new feature, and obviously this situation isn't working well; it would be better to leave people in the same state they were in for 10.10, rather than giving them an option we already know has problems
[12:26] <ev> mpt: thanks
[12:27] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman if the installer is still running; /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman if you managed to work around problems and have rebooted into the installed system
[12:27] <genec> Kurisutian: did you create a new partition table when using the installer's partitioner?
[12:27] <Kurisutian> genec: Yes, I did try that also... those were fresh harddrives..... didn't work either.....
[12:28] <ev> cjwatson: to clarify, do you mean disable it completely, even when there is an Internet connection?
[12:28] <cjwatson> ev: no, I mean disable it only if there is no network connection
[12:28] <ev> okay
[12:28] <cjwatson> we already have UI that says that things may not work ideally if you don't have a connection
[12:28] <Kurisutian> cjwatson genec: Also when setting the keymap to german (which would be the layout I need) it's going to be completely ignored by the installer.....
[12:29] <ev> my concern with doing that is two people will see different results without understanding why
[12:29] <ev> granted, we already have a fair bit of that on the partitioning page
[12:29] <cjwatson> ev: one of those people would have had an X on the second screen already
[12:31] <ev> I'm not convinced there's a clear connection between that and not having an upgrade option
[12:31] <cjwatson> it's certainly not perfect, but eight days before release I'd prefer to disable a known-problematic code path rather than introduce UI to warn about its problems
[12:31] <cjwatson> I'd feel differently if the upgrade option had been present in 10.10
[12:31] <mpt> cjwatson, if we disable it, we will need to at least explain why, in-place, so that someone doesn't wonder why they see different options from someone else (or from the screenshot in a tutorial or book)
[12:32] <mpt> and that itself would involve a new string
[12:32] <mpt> Other than that I don't mind much either way
[12:32] <cjwatson> mpt: as ev says, there are already several cases in automatic partitioning where people see different options
[12:32] <cjwatson> so one more, as a we-need-to-work-around-this-at-short-notice matter ... *shrug*
[12:33] <cjwatson> (BTW, this is my own position rather than a veto or anything)
[12:34] <mpt> cjwatson, sure, but they're at very different scales of knowing. Hopefully you are much more aware that you previously had Ubuntu 10.10 on this computer than that your router needs rebooting, for example.
[12:35] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Can I send those files to you?
[12:35] <cjwatson> mpt: Uh, that's not what I'm talking about
[12:35] <cjwatson> mpt: most people have no idea that the reason they don't have a resize option is that their system already has four primary partitions
[12:35] <cjwatson> for example
[12:36] <cjwatson> the UI design offers different options in that case, but does not "explain why, in-place"
[12:36] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: yes
[12:37] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: On their way through dcc.... you just need to accept them
[12:37] <mpt> cjwatson, I would have if I could have. :-) The problem in that case was that it just got way too long and the explanation didn't help you make a decision anyway.
[12:37] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: I can't accept DCC
[12:37] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: meet NAT
[12:37] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: EMail?
[12:37] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: sure<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:38] <cjwatson> mpt: I'm not saying it would have been easy, but nevertheless, such situations are there already and create divergence from screenshots in tutorials or books; those tutorials or books already have to say that you may see different options (and the ones I've seen generally do)
[12:39] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: They should be in your Inbox right now.....
[12:40] <ev> for what it's worth, I do think this is slightly easier for the user to resolve
[12:40] <ev> if you have four primary partitions *shrug*
[12:40] <ev> but all this takes is connecting to the Internet, which isn't made clear to them
[12:40] <cjwatson> there are a number of cases where it isn't practical to connect during installation
[12:41] <cjwatson> sure, *sometimes* it's relatively easy ...
[12:42] <ev> sometimes? I would think generally.  We have a wireless indicator and it connects automatically for Ethernet via DHCP.
[12:42] <cjwatson> well, seeing as I was just entirely away from any internet connectivity at all for four days, I beg to differ
[12:42] <cjwatson> (I didn't have a laptop with me, but I might have done)
[12:43] <ev> I can't imagine someone taking their laptop on holiday with the intention of installing an operating system on it.
[12:43] <ev> it strikes me as the kind of thing you do with as many tools around you as you can find
[12:43] <ev> though, this is all rampant speculation
[12:43] <cjwatson> forgive me, but this is an awfully first-world attitude
[12:43] <cjwatson> internet connectivity is *not* universal
[12:43] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Did the email arrive yet?
[12:43] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: please don't nag
[12:44] <cjwatson> yes it's arrived, I'll look as soon as I can
[12:45] <cjwatson> ev: anyway, I'm slightly losing track of the connection between this argument and the original point :-)
[12:45] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: I'm just asking if it went through.... Sometimes our server (even in the first world) tend to mess up once in a while..... alright, thank you very much for that.... :-)
[12:45] <genec> ev, as an example, there are large portions of the US that still only have dialup
[12:45] <ev> True, though I think we're diverging from the point somewhat, which is whether the extra explanation afforded to users who might be able to connect to the Internet and thus have a much better upgrade experience outweighs the confusion but minimal code delta of disabling it
[12:45] <cjwatson> ev: I would have thought that, in cases where it was easy for them to connect to the internet, they'd have already done that to make all the checkmarks go green
[12:46] <ev> cjwatson: my concern there is that the indicator doesn't really stand out, which is why I wanted to finish the wireless page
[12:46] <cjwatson> if they reach a later point without that, then either they're not reading what's in front of them (and there's only a limited extent to which we can help by adding more text) or it isn't straightforward for whatever reason
[12:46] <ev> my hope would be that the note about them connecting to the internet would prompt them to look around the screen
[12:47] <genec> Kurisutian: PM?
[12:47] <ev> again, I'm speculating
[12:47] <cjwatson> ev: but then we'd have to deal with redrawing those options when they connect, which is more code
[12:47] <cjwatson> (which I don't think is there yet?)
[12:47] <Kurisutian> genec: Sure
[12:47] <ev> I've got most of the patch done, actually
[12:47] <cjwatson> ev: I really don't think we should be adding such code eight days before release, if it's not already landed
[12:47] <cjwatson> for oneiric, by all means
[12:48] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: (FWIW, my test btrfs install seemed to work fine)
[12:49] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: ah; so you were installing onto an existing btrfs filesystem, correct?
[12:49] <ev> it's largely the same code that was already in ubi-parted moved to the frontend, but sure, I don't think this is ultimately worth the release team at-large having to take time out to mediate such a battle, when there are much more pressing matters to deal with :)
[12:49] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: I tried every possible combination but nothing worked
[12:49] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: it's a yes-or-no question :-)
[12:49] <ev> so I'll disable it when there's no Internet connection
[12:50] <ev> for O I'd much rather find some way to solve this for the no-Internet case
[12:50] <ev> rather than have to have the distinction
[12:50] <ev> oh and of course get that wireless page in
[12:50] <cjwatson> agreed, if it's feasible
[12:51] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: this time: Yes
[12:51] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: have you already filed a bug report about this?
[12:51] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: No (persuming this is also a YES/NO question.... ^^)
[12:52] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: can you please file one about this specific situation attaching those logs, on the partman-target package in Ubuntu?
[12:52] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: other failures probably aren't quite the same
[12:52] <genec> Kurisutian: perhaps it might be worthwhile to use fdisk and/or dd to prevent confusion in the installer
[12:52] <cjwatson> genec: I would rather fix the problems
[12:52] <cjwatson> in this case, it looks like the clear_partitions code isn't aware of the submodules scheme
[12:53] <genec> ahh, sorry about that.
[12:53] <cjwatson> I wish we could use 'btrfs subvolume set-default' without confusing other things ...
[12:53] <cjwatson> it would be much better than having to change everything that calls mount
[12:53] <Kurisutian> cjwatson genec: Also a clean install didn't work.... so is that related, do I have to mention that, too in my bugreport? Or is that something else?
[12:54] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: it's probably unrelated, and should be tracked separately
[12:54] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: as I said, a clean install worked perfectly for me ...
[12:54] <cjwatson> I would need logs from that case
[12:56] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: that's what I did before, but this won't work either..... that's when the installer complains about not being able to mount /home even though I don't have a seperate /home partition... I'll recreate that scenario and send you the logs right away
[12:57] <ev> mpt: there's a call about the installer for 11.10 at 1pm.  If you're interested, I'm in one of the phone rooms.
[13:00]  * cjwatson dials in
[13:03] <cjwatson> Kurisutian: I can see something wrong with keyboard layout, indeed ...
[13:04] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: that ain't to bad. I've been living in the states for a while and remember their layout fairly well.... ^^
[13:18] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: I just did send you the new logfiles for a regular installation that won't work for me.... I think we should start here since that is the more common thing that would happen....
[13:38] <Kurisutian> cjwatson: Thanks for looking into that. I have to take of right now.  Again thank you, I really appreciate it!
[15:10] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4707 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[15:10] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Disable the upgrade/reinstall option when no Internet connection is
[15:10] <CIA-7> ubiquity: available. See LP 766171 for details.
[15:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 766171 in apt-clone "apt-clone does not repack debs that it will not be able to download when there isn't an Internet connection" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/766171
[15:25] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4708 trunk/ (147 files in 3 dirs): Update translations from Launchpad.
[15:29] <CIA-7> console-setup: cjwatson * r407 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog setupcon):
[15:29] <CIA-7> console-setup: Weaken test for whether /usr is mounted; testing for /usr/share is
[15:29] <CIA-7> console-setup: sufficient, and fixes operation in d-i.
[15:31] <CIA-7> console-setup: cjwatson * r408 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.57ubuntu20
[15:32] <ev> oh
[15:32] <ev> should I wait for that?
[15:32] <ev> lets go with yes
[15:33] <cjwatson> it shouldn't affect ubiquity
[15:33] <cjwatson> though it would be nice to be consistent, if this might be the final upload
[15:33] <ev> one can always dream
[16:52] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4709 trunk/ (debian/changelog gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui):
[16:52] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Don't ever show scrollbars in the slideshow. The window growing
[16:52] <CIA-7> ubiquity: slightly is not ideal, but still better than this. See LP 529201
[16:52] <CIA-7> ubiquity: for details.
[16:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 529201 in ubiquity "ubiquity shows scrollbar in installation slideshow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/529201
[17:20] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r610 ubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[17:20] <CIA-7> partman-auto: Add $reusemethod internal specifier, which excludes the partition if a
[17:20] <CIA-7> partman-auto: partition with the same method already exists.
[17:25] <CIA-7> installation-guide: cjwatson * r491 ubuntu/ (build/entities/urls.ent debian/changelog): Update url-us-keymap (thanks, Manfred Hampl; LP: #741134).
[17:29] <CIA-7> installation-guide: cjwatson * r492 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/hardware/supported/i386.xml):
[17:29] <CIA-7> installation-guide: Document that i586 processors and i686 without cmov are no longer
[17:29] <CIA-7> installation-guide: supported (LP: #688195).
[17:31] <CIA-7> installation-guide: cjwatson * r493 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20100518ubuntu4
[17:33] <CIA-7> ubiquity: evand * r4710 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[17:33] <CIA-7> ubiquity: Defend against temporary mountpoints not existing before attempting
[17:33] <CIA-7> ubiquity: to remove them (LP: #759716).
[17:45] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r611 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog recipes/atomic recipes/home recipes/multi):
[17:45] <CIA-7> partman-auto: If there is an existing BIOS Boot Partition, reuse it rather than
[17:45] <CIA-7> partman-auto: creating a new one (LP: #746313).
[17:50] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r612 ubuntu/lib/recipes.sh: fix comment
[17:52] <CIA-7> partman-auto: cjwatson * r613 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 93ubuntu15
[21:02] <cjwatson> ev: still around?
[21:46] <CIA-7> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1201 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer):
[21:46] <CIA-7> grub-installer: Remove grub-gfxpayload-lists in situations where we need to remove
[21:46] <CIA-7> grub-installer: grub-pc (LP: #765270).
[21:48] <CIA-7> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1202 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.60ubuntu3
[22:18] <superm1> hmm, something in 2.6.6 seems to have busted --automatic installs
[22:22] <cjwatson> it busted all installs
[22:22] <cjwatson> waiting to get that grub-installer change accepted before doing an upload with Evan's fix for that
[22:22] <cjwatson> assuming that r4705 matches the failure you're seeing
[22:25] <superm1> i'll try that fix and see
[22:27] <superm1> ah yeah that looks like it's it