[06:14] <Kilos> hellooooo africa
[06:52] <pavlushka> inetpro: a better approach may be, if I am allowed then please approve me on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-africa. :)
[06:53] <Kilos> hehe
[08:09] <CraigZim> morning
[08:11] <Kilos> hi CraigZim ongolaBoy
[08:17] <Kilos> Na3iL morning, if you can get the code from that git place you can start rewriting it in python3
[08:18] <Kilos> this way one has to use venv thing which seems slower to me
[08:28] <Kilos> hi acetakwas ac3takwas
[08:37] <ac3takwas> Hi Kilos :)
[08:38] <Kilos> :D
[09:46] <elacheche> Sorry Kilos Na3iL I was AFK the whole day
[09:47] <Kilos> np elacheche
[12:26] <Na3iL> Hello Kilos elacheche
[12:26] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[12:27] <Na3iL> hows your day Kilos
[12:27] <Kilos> quiet this side and there?
[12:27] <Kilos> did you get that ibid from git
[12:30] <Na3iL> yep I get it but I should have a little time to rewrite with py3
[12:30] <Kilos> hahaha how much time
[12:31] <Na3iL> I am actually busy a little with work you know..
[12:31] <elacheche> hEy! Good ,u? re-write? using py3 what's that?
[12:31] <Kilos> yes thats why i laughed
[12:32] <elacheche> I am a total n00b, but I'd like to take a look and try to contributeto this
[12:32] <Kilos> woohhoooo
[12:33] <Na3iL> elacheche, the bot of this channel : https://github.com/ibid/ibid
[12:33] <Kilos> Na3iL give him the link lets see how he fares
[12:33] <Kilos> haha
[12:33] <Na3iL> haha :D elacheche btw happy sysadmin day
[12:33] <elacheche> Happy to you 2
[12:33] <elacheche> :)
[12:35] <elacheche> WooW! That's a lot of code to rewrite in py3! Why you wanna port it (alone)!
[12:35] <Na3iL> No, you are with me now :D
[12:37] <elacheche> We're 2, the bot have 18 contriutor
[12:37] <elacheche> s
[12:37] <elacheche> Why you wanna port it to py3 anyway?
[12:41] <Na3iL> the maintainer of the bot wanna rewrite it with py3, and I am not alone there's also another guy told that he will help the last meeting
[12:42] <Na3iL> do you remember him Kilos
[12:42] <elacheche> Oh! Nice!
[12:43] <elacheche> I'll star & fork it, so I don't forget
[12:44] <Na3iL> it takes time for sure, cause as much as I know about py3 there's a lot of modules and libraries that were changed in name and functionality
[12:44] <Na3iL> That's cool! :D
[12:45] <Kilos> remember who Na3iL ?
[12:45] <Na3iL> Kilos, the guy who said that he would like to help
[12:45] <Kilos> yes paddatrapper
[12:45] <Kilos> he has make it workable on 14.04 venv
[12:46] <Kilos> im running it on lappy here buts was lots of work
[12:46] <Kilos> kewpie coffee on
[12:46]  * kewpie starts grinding coffee
[12:47] <Kilos> Na3iL elacheche have some coffee
[12:47] <Na3iL> You just remind me to take another cup of coffee ty Kilos :D
[12:47] <Kilos> haha
[12:48] <Kilos> see this bot uses duckduckgo
[12:48] <Kilos> kewpie ddg tunisia
[12:48] <kewpie> Kilos: "Official site" http://www.tunisie.gov.tn/index.php?lang=english :: Tunisia Category :: Index of Tunisia-related articles - Tunisia, officially the Tunisian Republic, is the northernmost country in Africa. It is a Maghreb country and is bordered by Algeria to the west, Libya to the southeast, and the Mediterranean Sea to the north and east. Its area is almost, with an estimated population of just over 10.4 million. :: Outli…
[12:50] <Na3iL> haha, cool! :D
[12:50] <kewpie> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[12:51] <Na3iL> kewpie, mug of coffee please
[12:51] <kewpie> Na3iL: Huh?
[12:52] <Na3iL> I gtg, have a great day Kilos elacheche o/
[12:53] <Kilos> you too ty Na3iL
[15:46] <Na3iL> elacheche, I remember, last meeting we talked about the twitter account associated to Ubuntu Africa, do you have the mail and pass to get into it?
[15:49] <Kilos> oh yes
[15:49] <Kilos> well done Na3iL
[15:50] <Kilos> elacheche did you see we had two guys from ghana here for the meeting
[15:50] <elacheche> Na3iL: You didn't discuss that with me.. Mayvbe you discussed it with Kilos, inetpro or Sicelo
[15:50] <elacheche> s/Sicelo/superfly
[15:50] <elacheche> Hello guys!
[15:51] <Kilos> hi elacheche
[15:52] <Na3iL> okay
[15:55] <Kilos> elacheche maybe read the minutes if Na3iL can give you the link
[15:55] <Kilos> then you will see what the twitter discussion was about
[15:55] <Na3iL> Sure, here is the link http://meetings.ubuntu-africa.info/freenode-%23ubuntu-africa/2016-07-27-19-01-23.html
[15:56] <Kilos> ty Na3iL
[15:56] <Na3iL> yw :D
[16:10] <elacheche> Kilos:
[16:10] <Kilos> yes?
[16:10] <elacheche> the twitter owner is the one of the 1st persons in here.. Mayebe the one who owned the website as well..
[16:10] <Kilos> did i make it
[16:11] <Kilos> i thought it was you
[16:11] <Kilos> how do you see the owner
[16:11] <elacheche> I recommand that we use https://tweetdeck.twitter.com to have many admins using their twitter accounts and not the real account
[16:11] <Kilos> can you sort it for us elacheche and keep Na3iL informed
[16:12] <Kilos> i will forget
[16:12] <elacheche> Kilos: I can't see him.. you told me who is in here.. A long time ago, I can"t remember the nickname.. superfly or inetpro or ongolaBoy maybe
[16:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:12] <elacheche> OK Kilos I'll dig in my irc logs and public logs to findout the name
[16:12] <elacheche> yeah, maybe sjoe
[16:12] <Kilos> wow
[16:12] <Kilos> ty
[16:13] <elacheche> Not now.. When I'll be hiome :p
[16:13] <Na3iL> +1 for tweetdeck
[16:13] <Kilos> anytime that suits you is great
[16:14] <elacheche> see you soon..
[16:14] <Kilos> go safe
[18:24] <Kwaku> what is going on
[18:25] <Kilos> hi Kwaku
[18:25] <Kilos> hi takwas
[18:26] <Kwaku> so what system admin course do u suggest I do
[18:26] <Kilos> Kwaku there was a suggestion to do tweetdeck
[18:26] <Kwaku> i actually have all the know and i. am currently adminstrating one
[18:27] <Kwaku> but know one is recognizing me because of lack of certifucate
[18:27] <Kilos> lpi courses
[18:27] <Kwaku> kilos I don't get u
[18:27] <Kwaku> ok
[18:27] <Kilos> um
[18:28] <Kilos> kewpie ddg linux profession courses
[18:28] <kewpie> Kilos: Uhh... DuckDuckGo has no Instant Answer on that
[18:29] <Kwaku> are u talking about the Twitter thing kilos
[18:29] <Kilos> http://www.linuxcertification.co.za/sites/default/files/LPIManual_v_09.pdf
[18:29] <Kilos> yes about the twitter thing elacheche suggested tweekdeck
[18:31] <Kilos> i dont use twitter much but the other guys do
[18:32] <Kwaku> ni3l hasn't added me to the admin still
[18:32] <Kwaku> so who is the admin for the handle?
[18:34] <Kilos> we dont know who opened it
[18:34] <Kilos> we still trying to find out who
[18:40] <Kwaku> I am back
[18:40] <Kilos> wb Kwaku
[18:40] <Kilos> how does one find who is admin in ubuntuinafrica
[18:41] <Kwaku> i don't know oo
[18:41] <Kwaku> ok let me check
[18:46] <Kwaku> I didn't get any leads on it oo
[18:46] <Kilos> well if we keep tweeting to it sooner or later he will answer
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro are you admin in ubuntuinafrica on twitter


[00:18] <rick_h_> arosales: made it finally https://jujucharms.com/docs/ and https://jujucharms.com/community we'll be updating and moving it forward more but got basically two releases (3wk of updates since launch) out today
[00:20] <arosales> rick_h_, \o/
[00:20]  * arosales taking a look now
[00:21] <arosales> rick_h_, thanks for the hard work
[00:21] <arosales> rick_h_, and UI team I mean :-)
[00:21] <rick_h_> arosales: thanks for your patience. I know it can be frustrating as it takes time to get it settled and running smooth
[00:21] <rick_h_> big strides this last week
[00:21] <arosales> you guys said it would land, so we trusted you :-) and you delivered
[00:41] <hatch> Makyo: have you looked at svg spriting by modifying the viewbox in the browser? It's a pretty cool idea
[00:41] <Makyo> hatch, oh, hmm, hadn
[00:41] <Makyo> hadn't thought of that before.
[00:41] <Makyo> Pretty obvious, come to think of it.
[00:41] <hatch> right? lol
[00:41] <hatch> lemme find the link
[00:42] <hatch> Makyo: http://css-tricks.com/svg-fragment-identifiers-work/
[00:43] <Makyo> hatch, rock on, I'll keep that up
[00:43] <hatch> I too didn't even think of it - once I saw this I was like 'why ever use icon fonts'
[00:43] <hatch> :D
[00:44] <Makyo> Damn, that's stupid easy.
[00:44] <Makyo> We could put that in the GUI no problem
[00:44] <Makyo> Well, "no problem"
[00:44] <Makyo> Qualifier quotes.
[00:45] <hatch> haha yeah I wonder if it would work well for bundle vis stuff
[00:45] <hatch> ship all the svg elements in one sprite
[00:45] <Makyo> hatch, that stuff is all included within the SVG, so it makes less sense.
[00:45] <hatch> oh is it? I thought it was making a ton of http requests
[00:46] <Makyo> One per charm, but the solution to that isn't spriting, it's embedding the charm icons in the bundle vis in the defs section.
[00:47] <Makyo> Which is basically how SVG views work, except within the document, sorta like relative anchors.
[00:48] <hatch> ahhh gotcha
[17:42] <bac> hatch: found something new.
[17:42] <hatch> oh?
[17:42] <bac> find an exposed service.  unexpose it, don't commit, and then expose again.
[17:43] <bac> when i commit, it shows two changes.  i select 'clear all changes' but then the service gets unexposed anyway
[17:43] <bac> yay, i found a gui bug.  makes up for the last two months of neglecting my qa day!
[17:43] <hatch> hah yup definitely a UI bug
[17:44] <hatch> good find
[17:44] <hatch> thanks
[17:44] <bac> hatch: you want i should file that?
[17:44] <hatch> of course
[17:44] <hatch> it's a bug isn't it?
[17:44] <hatch> :)
[17:44] <bac> hatch: also note i made a card for 'make sysdeps' on juju-gui
[17:44] <bac> all those steps in HACKING.rst should be replaced with 'make sysdeps'
[17:44] <hatch> yusssssssss
[17:45] <hatch> make sysdeps however needs to be smart enough to know if it's on precise/trusty though
[17:45] <hatch> different packages
[17:45] <bac> piece o' cake
[18:32] <bac> uiteam: the new ci is up and i've asked rick_h_ to swap over the DNS. let me know if you see problems.
[18:33] <rick_h_> bac: updated
[18:34] <bac> rick_h_: fast.  what is our TTL -- 3 seconds?
[18:35] <rick_h_> heh, no idea. I'm lazy and use the domain providers dns
[19:27] <hatch> rick_h_: updates have been completed to the charmstore v4 getIconPath stuff
[19:27] <hatch> boy that took a long time to test/make sure I didn't miss one haha
[20:04] <hatch> uiteam I'm starting the release process, noone land anything into the gui for the next big, thx
[20:07] <bac> hatch: if we wanted to we could turn off the jenkins lander job
[20:07] <bac> but it is just you, me, and the crickets today
[20:07] <hatch> nah - there are no open pr's besides mine so I'm pretty sure it's safe
[20:07] <hatch> :)
[20:08] <hatch> bac:  r u with me all week? Or you gone tomorrow too?
[20:08] <bac> hatch: i'm a real 'merican.  i only take off thursday and friday
[20:08] <hatch> lol
[20:11] <hatch> na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na QA.....QA.....QA
[20:11] <hatch> I'd love a `make release` target :)
[20:12] <hatch> sure it would take hours to run, but wow would that be cool
[20:16] <hatch> bac: I think something broked with ci....my latest branch apparently triggered the ci run but it was never actually started
[20:16] <hatch> https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/662 shows that one should be running but nothing is
[20:16] <bac> hatch: that's the one we shot in the head, many times
[20:17] <bac> hatch: can you push up a new commit to retrigger?
[20:17] <hatch> I just did a couple hours ago
[20:17] <hatch> it needs it again?
[20:20] <bac> uh, sure
[20:20] <hatch> lol ok
[20:20] <hatch> looks like either ec2 hates me or the gui charm just stopped deploying
[20:22] <hatch> *sigh*
[22:56] <hatch> GUI release has been made, charms not yet updated but the repo can now be landed too again
[23:52] <rick_h_> hatch: <3 ty


[00:41] <igotnotime> I want Linux am I in the right place for it?
[00:42] <igotnotime> ok sorry for the sarcasm, I do have a few serious questions though....
[00:42] <igotnotime> I want to setup a server and have thin clients for my kids to use
[00:42] <igotnotime> I remember using this distro a few years ago and it seemed ideal for this type of setting
[00:43] <igotnotime> but there are a couple windows apps I need, and had questions on using virtualbox with edu... is is possible to do this?
[00:43] <igotnotime> is this***
[00:44] <igotnotime> should I try the ubuntu channel?
[00:45] <LaserJock> I think it is possible
[00:45] <igotnotime> ok good :)
[00:46] <LaserJock> not sure how fast it'd be though
[00:46] <igotnotime> being fairly new to the concept of thin clients, I am curious when going through the edubuntu install I seen the option for server and client both among the install options
[00:46] <igotnotime> is it really that simple?
[00:47] <igotnotime> just choose client for my kids' computers meanwhile choose server for the computer that sits in the closet as the server?
[00:47] <LaserJock> you saw "client" in the install options?
[00:47] <igotnotime> something to that effect Jock, I will have to look again but yes
[00:48] <igotnotime> there were 6-8 options and something phrased close enough that I assumed it was just a login script
[00:49] <LaserJock> hmm
[00:49] <LaserJock> actually there is nothing to do on the clients
[00:49] <igotnotime> I could have mis-interpreted it
[00:49] <igotnotime> just like a pcx or boot from the NIC?
[00:49] <LaserJock> yep, exactly
[00:49] <igotnotime> nice
[00:49] <igotnotime> with no OS even???
[00:50] <LaserJock> what happens is that when it pcx boots it transfers over a kernel and X
[00:50] <LaserJock> then connects to the server and sets up the X fowarding
[00:50] <igotnotime> does that kill your boot time vs. something embedded?
[00:50] <LaserJock> perhaps some
[00:50] <igotnotime> At my bank their boot time is like 4 seconds, I want that!
[00:50] <igotnotime> lol
[00:51] <LaserJock> well, it's probably gonna be slower than 4s
[00:51] <igotnotime> :)
[00:51] <igotnotime> would it be reasonably close to an installed system's time?
[00:51] <LaserJock> many thin clients have no hard drive
[00:51] <igotnotime> or in theory could we get it close?
[00:52] <LaserJock> you mean the time it takes a client to boot?
[00:52] <igotnotime> yes sir
[00:52] <igotnotime> I am sorry that this is so far out of the realm of the normal questions coming in here
[00:52] <LaserJock> well, it could be faster than a normal desktop
[00:52] <igotnotime> nice
[00:53] <LaserJock> if you have a fast network all it's doing is transferring the kernel and a minimal chroot
[00:53] <igotnotime> last question for now I think.... When I install to the server, are there any specific options I need to enable for this?
[00:53] <LaserJock> the actual booting is what takes longest I believe and that's just dependent on the hardware and kernel
[00:53] <LaserJock> what version are you wanting to install?
[00:54] <igotnotime> Well the actual boot would be the server booting right? I plan to never turn that off
[00:54] <LaserJock> igotnotime: no, it's actually booting a kernel on the thin client
[00:54] <igotnotime> I do not even know what kernel version Edu is at now
[00:54] <igotnotime> ok Jock I see, so it is not the way a MS server would operate with 'virtualization' then?
[00:55] <igotnotime> btw I really do appreciate you taking the time to help me Jock
[00:55] <igotnotime> saving me many hours of reading
[00:55] <LaserJock> no problem
[00:56] <LaserJock> the pxe boot transfers the kernel/chroot via tftp
[00:56] <LaserJock> then boots basically like a normal machine
[00:56] <LaserJock> except of course it's actually running the desktop and all that on the server :-)
[00:57] <LaserJock> you probably want to have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyClassroomServer
[00:57] <igotnotime> At my office for example, the MS server basically is always on and I merely login and instantly my desktop is there but it never really runs on my desktop it is fully powered by the ram, cpu and hard drives of the server itself
[00:57] <igotnotime> thank you very much will open now
[00:58] <LaserJock> well, it's similar
[00:58] <LaserJock> if you turn off the client it still takes time to start it back up I'm guessing
[00:58] <igotnotime> so in a sense the client itself is merely running a shell, the desktop is local and that is about it?
[00:59] <igotnotime> yes this is the same thing I want :D:D
[00:59] <igotnotime> thanks for the link
[00:59] <LaserJock> yeah, the client is just running the bits it needs to communicate with the server
[00:59] <LaserJock> things like X, ssh, and some filesystem stuff
[01:00] <igotnotime> have you ever seen this in action?
[01:00] <LaserJock> but the desktop and everything graphical basically, is running on the server
[01:00] <LaserJock> seen what?
[01:00] <igotnotime> a client running like this
[01:00] <igotnotime> is the response time fast enough that it 'feels' local?
[01:00] <igotnotime> the mouse pointer isn't laggy or anything I mean?
[01:01] <LaserJock> it really depends on the hardware
[01:01] <igotnotime> ok
[01:01] <LaserJock> but with most things it's just like being there
[01:02] <igotnotime> I am eager to go down to the basement and gather up as much as I can from my graveyard to see how many I can make now! LOL
[01:02] <LaserJock> heh
[01:02] <igotnotime> thank you very much
[01:02] <LaserJock> it's fun to experiment with
[01:02] <igotnotime> I can idle here?
[01:02] <LaserJock> I don't use it professionally or anything
[01:02] <LaserJock> of course, feel free to
[01:02] <LaserJock> but there are a number of people who use LTSP for largish school and business deployments
[01:03] <igotnotime> ya there is always that one or two app that is a must have that prevents me everytime from going fully to nix
[01:03] <LaserJock> it's rather amazing
[01:03] <igotnotime> between virtualbox and wine that gap is almost filled though
[01:03] <LaserJock> people can generally get at least 30 clients on one server with good hardware
[01:03] <igotnotime> plenty for my kids! :) just web browsers not encoding video or using CAD
[01:04] <igotnotime> ok I am off to read the link you gave me :) See you soon enough
[01:05] <LaserJock> ok, have fun
[03:33] <gre1> hello, is anyone around able to help me?
[15:02] <Nuba1> hi, is there a conflict when editting user settings from both the user-manager on the server and editting the passwd and shadow files directly?
[15:03] <Nuba1> I can only seem to get user settings changed when editting the passwd and shadow files directly
[15:06] <Nuba1> that and I have a dead package that I can't seem to get rid of no matter what I try:
[15:06] <Nuba1> E: The package googleearth-4.2-data needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[15:07] <Nuba1> I took out the medibuntu archive because it kept trying to download the package and failed
[15:07] <Nuba1> how do I stop apt trying to look for it all the time


[16:17] <ogra> slangasek, did you re-enable the omap netbook builds ?
[16:18]  * ogra wonders where http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/20100624/maverick-netbook-armel+omap.img comes from, it shouldnt exist
[16:57] <slangasek> ogra: I haven't touched the crontab at all
[16:57] <ogra> weird
[16:57] <ogra> i wonder where that image comes from :)
[16:58] <slangasek> ogra: from what I see, *you* haven't touched the crontab either
[16:58] <slangasek> at least, those jobs are all still enabled
[16:59] <ogra> pitti disabled the omap builds ages ago
[16:59] <ogra> at least he said so
[17:08] <ScottK> ogra: I've been getting 3 armel build failure mails a day for kubuntu-netbook.
[17:09] <ScottK> Did sync source and sync source new get done today?
[17:10] <ogra> ScottK, well, there shouldnt be any builds for kubuntu on omap either
[17:10] <ogra> since we're completely changing armel builds
[17:11]  * ScottK wonders why he gets the mails then?
[17:11] <ogra> because apparently something still builds them
[17:13] <ogra> hrm
[17:13] <ogra> indeed omap is still in the crontab
[17:13] <ogra> but the kubuntu entry is odd
[17:24] <cjwatson> hmm, it's import freeze isn't it
[17:24] <cjwatson> I suppose I had better do a sync run


[08:48] <bhsx> hi, I installed samba so that I could setup network shares to my XP box.  i have a few shares now, but when i try to access them, i keep getting kicked-back to the login prompt, any ideas?
[08:48] <apokryphos> it should
[08:49] <angasule> bhsx: have you placed the login & password for the XP box correctly in the samba config?
[08:50] <bhsx> that's what i'm checking now
[08:50] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, not really, even after I try to play sounds, amarok stops the load mp3 files
[08:50] <apokryphos> eXistenZ: when you're using xine?
[08:51] <angasule> eXistenZ: where did you get it? I don't see it in universe or multiverse
[08:53] <angasule> oh, apokryphos was that guy, eXistenZ , what's the name of the dictionary program that spells out? I'm very interested in it
[08:57] <angasule> great :/
[08:58] <bhsx> ok i did a 'sudo systemsettings' and would like to configure samba, which i just installed... can anyone lend a hand?
[08:58] <bhsx> because something's wrong...  i can't login to the shares
[08:59] <apokryphos> angasule: no idea, but I'm sure you could use kde's accessibility features (ktts) to get it to spell out any word for you
[09:00] <angasule> apokryphos: works for any language?
[09:01] <apokryphos> probably not
[09:01] <angasule> bhsx: go to System (menu next to the k-menu)->Settings
[09:01] <angasule> bhsx: then go to Local Network Browsing
[09:01] <bhsx> i'm there
[09:02] <angasule> where it says 'default user name' and 'default password' input your winXP login and password
[09:02] <jahshua> i would just like to say
[09:02] <jahshua> i love kubuntu.
[09:02] <jahshua> thanks
[09:02] <angasule> also, set the correct encoding (mine is iso 8859-1)
[09:02] <lascar> does anybody know where I can get azureus now that the original link for it in the repository is obsolete?
[09:02] <apokryphos> from their site
[09:02] <angasule> bhsx: after setting the login & pass, try accessing the XP shares again
[09:02] <apokryphos> jahshua: :)
[09:03] <bhsx> angasule: i'm trying to access the samba shares FROM XP
[09:03] <angasule> if a truck ran me over, I'd probably feel better, I need ice :(
[09:03] <angasule> bhsx: oopsie, sorry then, gimme a min, it's been a month since I set it up
[09:04] <rdfm> hi, are there any Qt/KDE maintainers on the channel?
[09:04] <angasule> bhsx: in settings, go to 'samba', check that the workgroup is the *same* than your winXP machine
[09:05] <angasule> rdfm: for that, you should go to #kde, btw, qt and kde are different things
[09:05] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, this is the dictionary I'm talking about: http://www.longman.com/dictionaries/support/ldoce_updated_support.html#m0
[09:06] <rdfm> angasule: thanks, I wanted to know why the ubuntu libqt4 packages are built without MNG support...
[09:06] <angasule> bhsx: also, set a name for your linux machine (short & easy to remember)
[09:06] <lascar> anybody?  please?
[09:06] <angasule> rdfm: no idea, try searching the kubuntu forums
[09:06] <rdfm> ok
[09:07] <angasule> lascar: go to azureus site, like apokryphos said?
[09:07] <rdfm> angasule: thanks :)
[09:07] <lascar> didn't see his message
[09:07] <lascar> besides, i've already done that
[09:07] <angasule> rdfm: you're welcome, sorry I wasn't much use
[09:07] <bhsx> angasule: how can i access that through sudo?
[09:08] <angasule> lascar: well, I don't know, I don't personally use azureus
[09:08] <kakei> hey anyone know how to remove the bold in the fonts in all windows?
[09:09] <lascar> oh, and while we're on the topic, how can i get java?
[09:09] <angasule> bhsx: access what? the samba config screen?
[09:09] <kakei> http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/8515/snapshot13jk.png watch this out Look my Fonts all looks like they were with bold
[09:09] <lascar> don't get me wrong, i knew the answers to all these questions until the url in my modded repository for these utilities went down
[09:09] <bhsx> angasule: yes, that screen
[09:10] <angasule> lascar: there's a java virtual machine or two I can see in adept, are you looking for one in particular?
[09:10] <lascar> angasule: no, just a good, working one
[09:11] <angasule> bhsx: you can't access System->Settings directly? you're in the command line?
[09:11] <bhsx> i can from kicker... but it doesn't sudo
[09:12] <bhsx> i can start systemsettings from cli, but the samba module isnt' there
[09:12] <lascar> bhsx: it's in Kcontrol
[09:12] <angasule> bhsx: when you start it from the settings menu the samba window is all greyed out?
[09:13] <bhsx> yeah
[09:13] <lascar> whoops sorry, take that back
[09:13] <angasule> bhsx: put the cursor at the bottom of the samba config window, and resize the window, make it larger (drag it down)
[09:13] <dreumah> which repo can i get unrar from?
[09:13] <bhsx> but now i'm accessing it via kcontrol started throguh cli
[09:13] <dreumah> the non free one
[09:13] <angasule> bhsx: does the 'administrator mode' button show up now at the bottom?
[09:14] <bhsx> well, i bipassed that by loading kcontrol through Konsole
[09:15] <bhsx> i think it was the Share level access that needed ticking
[09:15] <bhsx> i'll check now
[09:15] <angasule> bhsx: I get the 'administration mode' button if I run kcontrol from konsole as well
[09:15] <angasule> bhsx: yes, probably
[09:16] <angasule> bhsx: check it's the same workgroup, share access level, then in the 'share' tab add the shares, if you haven't already
[09:17] <angasule> dreumah: multiverse, I think
[09:17] <dreumah> its not there
[09:17] <dreumah> i can only get unrar-free
[09:17] <dreumah> thats useless to me
[09:17] <dreumah> wait
[09:17] <dreumah> i dont have multiverse
[09:17] <angasule> dreumah: after adding multiverse you clicked on 'fetch updates'?
[09:18] <angasule> dreumah: add multiverse (but not backports, unless you want backports)
[09:18] <dreumah> how to i add this wickly i am in my repo options. using synaptics
[09:19] <dclindsay> is there a convenient bug reporting tool for dapper?
[09:19] <angasule> dreumah: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu (this is the URL)  distribution: breezy , components: multiverse
[09:20] <kkathman> dclindsay: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <angasule> dreumah: I don't use synaptic, but adding that repository should be it
[09:21] <angasule> bhsx: is it working?
[09:21] <dreumah> thank you angasule
[09:21] <dreumah> its working
[09:21] <dclindsay> kkathman: ok, thanks
[09:21] <Hal9000> i have a problem with kmail, it keeps complaining endlessly that my imap server doesnt support TLS... but actually i set SSL! and it works with thunderbird...
[09:21] <Hal9000> waht could be the problem?
[09:22] <angasule> dreumah: you're welcome
[09:22] <dclindsay> is there a debian emacs package?
[09:22] <jahshua> hello
[09:22] <jahshua> anyone know if you can play .mp4 files with kaffien
[09:22] <jahshua> or amoRok
[09:22] <jahshua> video files
[09:22] <dclindsay> or can the debian emacs tools be modified for ubuntu/kubuntu
[09:23] <angasule> dclindsay: kubuntu has emacs
[09:23] <kkathman> dclindsay: if there is a deb, perhaps, but hard to say definitively
[09:23] <angasule> !!restricted_formats
[09:23] <ubotu> angasule: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:23] <angasule> bah, I can't remember the command
[09:23] <kkathman> !restricted
[09:23] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:23] <angasule> jahshua: yes, search for 'restricted format' kubuntu in google
[09:24] <dclindsay> ah, debian emacs has a very nice bug report tool
[09:24] <angasule> thanks, kkathman :)
[09:24] <kkathman> np
[09:24] <angasule> Hal9000: I think TLS and SSL are the same thing in that context? lemme check
[09:25] <angasule> Hal9000: nope, definitely two different things, since both are given as options heh
[09:26] <tvon>  they both relate to securing transmissions over the network but they're not the same thing
[09:27] <angasule> Hal9000: go to 'configure kmail', then go to 'accounts', select the server, check the properties and in the extras tab click on 'check what the server supports'
[09:30] <dante_> Im not too sure if this is more windows specifif than kubuntu.. but! Im trying to mount a share from my windows 2003 server machine to my kubuntu box. I have installed all the smbfs packages and disabled smb signing on the 2k3 server. Yet when i mount it successfully, i get permission denied when trying to ls or do anything to the mount
[09:30] <dante_> dmesg | tail has nothing apropiate
[09:30] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, in what resolution do you work
[09:31] <apokryphos> eXistenZ: 1280x1024
[09:31] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, I get only 60Hz in that mood =/ it's absurd
[09:31] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, how much do you get
[09:31] <apokryphos> same here, but that's why my monitor goes up to
[09:33] <dante_> Anyone have any ideas? Would using the CIFS module help at all?
[09:33] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, what ps viewer do you suggest
[09:33] <dante_> Had success with that on slackware
[09:34] <apokryphos> I don't use it
[09:36] <angasule> dante_: you seem to know what you're doing, but just for the sake of it, double check that reading permission is allowed for anonymous users (or just tell the samba client to use a windows login&pass when accessing it)
[09:37] <dante_> thanks, but i have tried that an no success =(
[09:37] <DarkMaul> ping : Tm_T
[09:38] <eXistenZ> apokryphos, msn is still down =/
[09:38] <angasule> dante_: you've not been able to access shares even with a set login&pass?
[09:38] <DarkMaul> hmm its back up over here
[09:39] <angasule> eXistenZ: what dictionary app do you use that spells out words?
[09:39] <eXistenZ> angasule, Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English 4th edition updated
[09:40] <dante_> angasule: Yup thats right
[09:41] <angasule> eXistenZ: hmm, is that free?
[09:41] <eXistenZ> angasule, nope
[09:41] <eXistenZ> angasule, but it supports linux, it's the best dictionary I've ever used.
[09:41] <angasule> eXistenZ: ouchies, well, I'll have to depend on native speakers then, thanks :)
[09:41] <angasule> eXistenZ: btw, what languages are you studying?
[09:42] <eXistenZ> angasule, 3 languages: Arabic, Hebrew & English.
[09:42] <angasule> dante_: maybe the guys at #samba can help?
[09:42] <dante_> Good call, I will ask =) ty
[09:42] <angasule> dante_: not blowing you off, but I'm merely a user, only have winxp here
[09:42] <angasule> good luck
[09:43] <angasule> eXistenZ: nice, and your native language?
[09:43] <eXistenZ> angasule, the first one.
[09:43] <pedingto> Heyo folks, I've got an issue with the maximum resolution I can set my desktop to.  The max it lists is 800x600, where I know it can do 1024x768, I tried to do the fix that worked for me in an earlier ubuntu distro. But no luck..any advice?
[09:43] <angasule> eXistenZ: you may find www.unilang.org interesting, it has irc and voice chat as well as forum and the usual web stuff
[09:44] <eXistenZ> angasule, thanks :)
[09:45] <angasule> pedingto: while installing, did you check the box for 1024x768?
[09:45] <pedingto> Yes, and I've also run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg after install as well.  But that ends up forcing 640x480, and I have to manually edit xorg.conf to even get it to go to 800x600.
[09:46] <andyjstormont> how do i use this thing?
[09:46] <angasule> andyjstormont: depends on what 'this thing' is
[09:46] <andyjstormont> irc
[09:46] <lascar> angasule: what were those 2 JVMS you mentioned?
[09:47] <angasule> andyjstormont: well, you're already using it :)
[09:47] <andyjstormont> can you guys help me to install kde?
[09:48] <angasule> lascar: don't know, I just wrote 'java virtual machine' in adept and it showed a couple, two entries are about mono, and one is sablevm
[09:48] <bhsx> hmmm... i still keep coming back to the login prompt
[09:48] <lascar> you mean upgrade
[09:48] <DewDude> has anyone gotten monkeys audio to work with bmp?
[09:48] <bam_> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[09:49] <bam_> or is that kde-desktop
[09:49] <angasule> pedingto: hmm, don't really know, try the forums or maybe a more specific channel
[09:49] <pedingto> lol - I've been hunting forums all day so far :)  Do you know of a more specific channel?
[09:49] <angasule> pedingto: #xorg ?
[09:50] <pedingto> *shakes head* Thanks, I think I've lost my mind already :)
[09:50] <andyjstormont> when i try to install the kde stuff using the instructions on the wiki its says cant find packages, wtf do i do know?
[09:50] <bhsx> will 'sudo apt-get upgrade kubuntu-desktop' upgrade to 3.5?
[09:50] <angasule> pedingto: heh I hate x configuration, it's a pain :)
[09:50] <bam_> you tried apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[09:50] <sampan> andyjstormont  have you enabled all the repositories?
[09:51] <andyjstormont> how do I do that?
[09:51] <angasule> andyjstormont: have you added the universe and multiverse repositories?
[09:51] <sampan> !repositories
[09:51] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[09:52] <sampan> andyjstormont  read the link ubotu posted ... or "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" (at CLI) and then remove the # from lines containing "universe" and "multiverse"
[09:52] <lascar> angasule: what about azureus? know anything about installing it?
[09:52] <angasule> sampan: careful, when I installed breezy, the lines containing multiverse also contained backports
[09:52] <pedingto> angasule: I had the same issue under hoary ubuntu, but the manual editing of xorg.conf fixed it.  But it doesn't seem to this time around.
[09:53] <angasule> lascar: nope, sorry
[09:53] <angasule> pedingto: that's very odd, because xorg is xorg
[09:53] <angasule> !azureus
[09:53] <ubotu> well, azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[09:54] <bam_> anyone know where to cange the ntp server that the scripts call to sync the time
[09:54] <pedingto> This is why I am confused :)
[09:54] <sampan> angasule, i think there are backports available now anyway
[09:54] <angasule> lascar: maybe that works?
[09:54] <sampan> not 100% sure though
[09:54] <pedingto> Though I do have an odd intel video card.
[09:54] <angasule> pedingto: one of the integrated ones?
[09:54] <lascar> i need new backports
[09:55] <lascar> the old ones are, well...obsolete
[09:55] <pedingto> Yup
[09:55] <pedingto> I'm running a dell laptop *shame*
[09:55] <jjesse> nothing wrong w/ being on a dell laptop :)
[09:55] <jjesse> just depends on how old it is
[09:55] <pedingto> Coming up for two years now ;)
[09:56] <sampan> heh, i have an old p3 1 gigahertz dell laptop that's running hoary great
[09:56] <angasule> pedingto: well, mention that to the xorg guys when you ask for help, I think the intel drivers are all open, they just bark at you if you use closed drivers like nvidia's or ati's
[09:56] <pedingto> I tried installing and running the 855resolution but it didn't seem to fix it.
[09:56] <angasule> sampan: that's old? I still have a 286 (ok, it's in the closet and I gutted it, but we have a functional 486 dx 66)
[09:57] <angasule> dx2 66, sorry
[09:57] <paines> hi
[09:57] <angasule> hi, paines
[09:57] <sampan> angasule  lol ... that almost belongs in a museum ;)
[09:57] <angasule> lascar: did you check the azureus link above?
[09:57] <paines> anyone tried to "optimize" and install an package with apt-build ?
[09:58] <angasule> sampan: a friend yesterday was telling me about ZX81 and powerful stuff like that, I told her she should sell that on ebay and make a nice profit
[09:58] <lascar> hmmm...
[10:02] <bam_> zx81??
[10:02] <angasule> bam_: old stuff
[10:02] <bam_> sounds like it
[10:03] <bam_> wasnt that released in like early 80's
[10:04] <angasule> bam_: about that time, certainly before I remember
[10:04] <bam_> i think I saw one but i was only 12yrs old or so
[10:05] <bam_> its amazing though, I have a pda thats more powerful/versatile than my fors computer
[10:05] <paines> i had one
[10:05] <bam_> *first
[10:05] <DewDude> i'm at wits end now
[10:05] <paines> and a sinvlair spectrum 48k
[10:05] <bam_> I remember those
[10:05] <angasule> bam_: there are wrist watches more powerful than my first computer
[10:06] <bam_> haha
[10:06] <angasule> heck, I've been thinking of modifying my whole home to use automatic doors & lights
[10:06] <bam_> use a plc
[10:06] <angasule> that was sci-fi stuff just a couple of decades ago
[10:06] <bam_> with a serial interface, make some custo software
[10:07] <bam_> big time
[10:07] <angasule> I'll have to write some very custom 486 software (I can't get it to run linux :/ )
[10:07] <bam_> then again someone said we would have flying cars by the year 2000
[10:07] <Baner> Hello People
[10:08] <angasule> if I could get a fan-less PSU, it'd be completely silent
[10:08] <Baner> I need some help with kubuntu
[10:08] <andyjstormont> ok, im still having trouble with this.  I have to enable the kubuntu repositorys, how do I do that?
[10:08] <angasule> bam_: I fear the day flying cars become available, people can't drive in 2D, can you imagine 3D?
[10:08] <angasule> Baner: be more specific please :)
[10:08] <bam_> lol
[10:08] <angasule> !repositories
[10:08] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[10:09] <Baner> People here's my problem, i have installed kubuntu and when there is loading a kde screen only the mouse appears and nothing happens farther
[10:09] <angasule> andyjstormont: look at that link ubotu mentioned
[10:09] <Baner> Plz
[10:09] <Baner> i want to become linuxoud
[10:09] <Baner> ;)
[10:09] <angasule> bam_: do you remembe the TV show 'beyond 2000'?
[10:09] <angasule> Baner: what programs do that?
[10:09] <Baner> i dont know
[10:10] <Baner> i now that i have installed only
[10:10] <Baner> kubuntu and when it is loading
[10:10] <angasule> Baner: are you on kubuntu now?
[10:10] <Baner> appears only a mouse cursor
[10:10] <Baner> nope
[10:10] <Baner> i cant load it
[10:10] <Baner> x
[10:11] <angasule> Baner: when you use ubuntu, do you get to the login screen where you write your name and password?
[10:11] <Baner> no
[10:11] <Baner> only the mouse
[10:11] <Baner> and nothing
[10:11] <Baner> happens
[10:12] <angasule> you don't get any error messages when booting?
[10:12] <Baner> i havent seen any
[10:12] <Baner> it is happening
[10:12] <Baner> very fast
[10:13] <Baner> i even cant exit X
[10:13] <Baner> i need to restart my pc by pressing the button
[10:14] <lascar> angasule: and we're good to go
[10:14] <lascar> thanx
[10:14] <igorayeb> anyone had a problem whith instalation of EtherApe
[10:15] <angasule> Baner: obviously kubuntu hasn't installed well, maybe you should search in the kubuntu forums
[10:15] <Baner> how must i describe my problem
[10:15] <Baner> to search for
[10:17] <angasule> Baner: hmm, not sure, check for installation problemas related to X or KDE
[10:22] <dante_> angasule: cifs fixed it =)
[10:23] <mh166> hi @ all
[10:23] <mh166> I got a problem:
[10:23] <angasule> dante_: good :)
[10:23] <angasule> mh166: we all do :)
[10:24] <mh166> ^^ of course
[10:24] <mh166> I'd like to change my default window manager from xfce to fluxbox
[10:24] <mh166> I already tried it by editing ~/.xsession, /etc/rc.conf and ~/.xinitrc... nothing did it...
[10:24] <DewDude> heh
[10:24] <mh166> has anyone an idea what could work?
[10:25] <eXistenZ> !skype
[10:25] <ubotu> hmm... skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:27] <mh166> no ideas?
[10:27] <Baner> people
[10:27] <Baner> what exactly is difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[10:27] <angasule> mh166: looking for info
[10:28] <mh166> thx :=
[10:28] <mh166> :)
[10:28] <angasule> Baner: ubuntu is gnome-based, kubuntu is kde-based
[10:28] <dante_> kde
[10:28] <Baner> angasule i have problem with kubuntu
[10:28] <Baner> maybe
[10:28] <Riddell> robotgeek: are you responsible?
[10:28] <Baner> i must install ubuntu
[10:28] <Baner> with gnome
[10:28] <DewDude> no
[10:28] <DewDude> you can install ubuntu with kde
[10:28] <DewDude> it's called kubuntu
[10:28] <Riddell> mh166: it depends on what login manager you are using
[10:28] <robotgeek> Riddell: yes
[10:28] <Riddell> robotgeek: want to be an op?
[10:28] <Baner> DewDude i have problems with kd
[10:29] <DewDude> Baner: ok then...use ubuntu
[10:29] <DewDude> or
[10:29] <robotgeek> Riddell: sure, i am a #ubuntu-nun member
[10:29] <DewDude> if you have kubuntu installed... sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[10:29] <Baner> i cant get even in console
[10:29] <robotgeek> usually hang around with nalioth, but he isn't here all the time
[10:29] <Riddell> robotgeek: ok, I'll make you an op if you get all the newbies to use kubuntu :)
[10:29] <DewDude> just black screen on boot?
[10:29] <Baner> green with mouse
[10:29] <Baner> i cant exit from there
[10:29] <Baner> to console
[10:29] <robotgeek> Riddell: i'm looking to package some stuff for kubuntu too
[10:29] <Baner> none reaction
[10:30] <DewDude> you tried alt-f2 and stuff
[10:30] <Baner> yep
[10:30] <Riddell> robotgeek: ooh, cool
[10:30] <DewDude> wow
[10:30] <Riddell> robotgeek: #kubuntu-devel if you have queries on that or want to poke me to review
[10:30] <mh166> Riddell how can i find out, which i'm using? oO
[10:30] <robotgeek> Riddell: thanks, will definetly do :)
[10:30] <DewDude> i haven't been on ubuntu in months..i'm a bit rusty
[10:30] <DewDude> cuz i was still learning when i quit
[10:31] <DewDude> and even then i was on PPC
[10:31] <Baner> =]
[10:31] <DewDude> i'm having many of my own issues
[10:31] <DewDude> issues i never used to have on my PPC
[10:32] <Riddell> robotgeek: you're an op, use it wisely
[10:32] <DewDude> i've given up on them for the time being
[10:32] <robotgeek> Riddell: yes, will do. CoC rules
[10:32] <DewDude> take a step back...smoke a bowl...do some research
[10:33] <Riddell> mh166: at the login manager just change the session to start up whichever one you want and tell it to save as default
[10:33] <fr0g> hgmmm
[10:33] <robotgeek> be back later :)
[10:33] <mh166> well... actually i don't have any login manager...
[10:33] <mh166> this distro came on a mag-cd
[10:33] <mh166> and was preconfigured
[10:34] <angasule> mh166: it was kubuntu, but not the default config?
[10:34] <mh166> as soon as it boots up it starts into x with xfce as window manager and with the user "pcw" logged in by default
[10:35] <mh166> angasule seemingly, yes. It IS kubuntu (Kernel 2.6.x) but the configuration was already done by the magazine
[10:39] <mh166> no ideas? =/
[10:42] <seth_k|lappy> mh166, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[10:42] <seth_k|lappy> as a guess
[10:42] <mh166> "packed kdm isn't installed"
[10:43] <jahshua> hello i just installed flash with adept
[10:43] <jahshua> but it doesnt recognise the package name in console
[10:45] <seth_k|lappy> mh166, then sudo apt-get install kdm
[10:45] <seth_k|lappy> jahshua, what package did you install? flashplayer-mozilla?
[10:46] <mh166> hmm... btw: where is the diff between aptitude and apt-get? a friend of mine told me to install packages using aptitude. Is it better, the same or whats the diff?
[10:46] <kkathman> mh166: makes really no difference
[10:46] <mh166> k
[10:46] <kkathman> sometimes, for unknown reasons, aptitude fails to locate packages in the repos..weird, but true
[10:47] <kkathman> aptitude tends to help out if you want to uninstall things
[10:47] <mh166> ahh, kay :)
[10:48] <mh166> hate it to install packages using this f***ing ISDN access -.-"
[10:48] <mh166> but hey: enough time for lots of coffees xD
[10:49] <mh166> hm... 30Megs... I guess I try it later...
[10:50] <mh166> Is there also a possibility without kdm or should I come back when it's installed?
[10:52] <jahshua> seth: i installed swf-player and macromedia and now i just installed libflash-mozplugin  i tried to run that one and it ditn recognise it either
[10:53] <mh166> kkathman ??
[10:53] <kkathman> yes?
[10:53] <mh166> Is there also a possibility without kdm or should I come back when it's installed?
[10:53] <kkathman> possibility for what?
[10:54] <mh166> changing the window manager... somehow...
[10:54] <kkathman> mh166: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html
[10:54] <kkathman> follow the exact steps and yer ready to go
[10:54] <kkathman> oops
[10:54] <kkathman> sorry
[10:54] <mh166> ^^
[10:54] <kkathman> lol got the right answer to the wrong person :)
[10:54] <kkathman> hehe
[10:55] <mh166> already wondered what a window manager had in common with XAMPP or LAMPP
[10:55] <kkathman> mh166: when you boot, your splash screen/login should have an option to change sessions
[10:55] <kkathman> in the lower left of the splash
[10:55] <jahshua> can someone tell me how to install flash please
[10:55] <jahshua> :(((
[10:56] <jahshua> i have it installed with adept but it wont run
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> jahshua, you need flashplayer-mozilla
[10:56] <jahshua> i installed that
[10:56] <kkathman> if you choose a session thats different than your current default, it will ask if you want to make that the default
[10:56] <mh166> as already said: there is neither a splash nor login screen or something alike... I get booted into xfce immediately after starting...
[10:56] <jahshua> libflash-mozplugin ?
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman, we've been talking about that he doesn't have a login manager ;)
[10:56] <kkathman> mh166: hmm how did you install ubuntu then?
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman, read up... he got a CD in a magazine
[10:56] <arkey> hola
[10:56] <kkathman> AHH
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> jahshua, flashplayer-mozilla
[10:57] <kkathman> sorry..thanks seth_k|lappy :)
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> np kkathman, how are you today?
[10:57] <jahshua> i cant find it when i search
[10:57] <jahshua> i have unbiverse open
[10:57] <mh166> actually I didn't it's a VM from a computers magazine-cd
[10:57] <kkathman> okie dokie seth_k|lappy thanx
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> jahshua, it's in restricted
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> iirc
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> !info flashplayer-mozilla
[10:57] <ubotu> flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> jahshua, multiverse
[10:58] <kkathman> mh166: was the CD an ubuntu cd?
[10:58] <kkathman> or some other linux?
[10:58] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman, it's a Kubuntu CD
[10:58] <kkathman> hmmm cant understand why it doesnt have a splash then
[10:58] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman, heavily customized
[10:58] <kkathman> yah I guess
[10:58] <kkathman> hmm
[10:59] <mh166> hm.. as already said: it is a completely ready-to-run VM for M$' VMWare
[10:59] <mh166> but uname -a tells me that it is a kubuntu distro
[10:59] <kkathman> mh166: I have no idea on VM
[10:59] <seth_k|lappy> mh166, I think you'd be safest just getting kdm and letting it set itself up
[11:00] <mh166> Hum... but I guess it shouldn't make a big difference wether kubuntu runs in a virtual machine or not
[11:00] <mh166> but okay... I'll install kdm
[11:00] <jahshua> seth i opened multiverse and i still cant see flashplayer-mozilla
[11:01] <mh166> but i guess I better do that on another day since now I have to learn some physics for tomorrows test paper ^^
[11:01] <mh166> good night (or what time is it with you? ;)
[11:01] <kkathman> Im not familiar enought to know where that kdm is set
[11:02] <kkathman> but you might could do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:02] <mh166> gute nacht leute
[11:02] <mh166> .. srry
[11:02] <mh166> wrong window ^^
[11:02] <mh166> gn8 guys (or whatever the clock may show ;)
[11:14] <RabidGoblin> !nvidia
[11:14] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[11:15] <Aven> how do you change themes?
[11:15] <Aven> can't find it anywhere
[11:16] <jahshua> can someone help me with a restricted area question
[11:19] <jahshua> i have all of my repositories updated and enabled universe and multiverse  and i cant sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer   it doesnt find mplayer ???
[11:20] <djk_> !info mozilla-mplayer
[11:20] <ubotu> mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla), section multiverse/misc, is optional. Version: 3.05-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 366 kB, Installed size: 1340 kB
[11:22] <Aven> !theme
[11:22] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Aven
[11:22] <Aven> !themes
[11:23] <djk_> jahshua: you sure you updated after you enabled uni/multiverse? and you sure you spelt it correctly?
[11:24] <angasule_> I love coffee :D
[11:25] <kakei> hi , how do i check my KDE version
[11:25] <Aven> where is the "Appearance and look"?
[11:25] <Aven> can't find it in the "System"
[11:25] <Hobbsee> kakei: any kde program, help, about
[11:25] <djk_> in your system settings
[11:25] <djk_> if only you read what ubotu said..
[11:26] <jahshua> djk yes i did .
[11:26] <Aven> yeah, where's that at?
[11:28] <djk_> jahshua: and an apt-cache search mplayer doesn't mention mozilla-mplayer either?
[11:28] <Aven> telling me 'go to system settings' is like telling me to go to a country I've never been in before
[11:29] <jahshua> djk_ this is what it returned
[11:29] <jahshua> mga-vid-source - Kernel driver for the back-end scaler on Matrox cards (source)
[11:29] <djk_> Aven: click on that shiny K in the left corner on the bottom of your screen..
[11:30] <Aven> yes, there's "System"
[11:30] <Aven> but in it, I can't see any "Appearance and look"
[11:30] <djk_> Aven: and there's 'System Settings'
[11:30] <Aven> nope :\
[11:30] <djk_> yes
[11:31] <Aven> Do you want a screenshot? because there's no System Settings
[11:31] <djk_> sure
[11:31] <angasule_> Aven: in the bottom bar, next to the shiny K, there's another button that opens up a menu
[11:31] <jahshua> djk you see what that returned?
[11:32] <djk_> jahshua: yes, but it should return more.
[11:32] <jahshua> thats all it gave back
[11:32] <djk_> pastebin your sources.list
[11:32] <jahshua> i dont know what that means :/
[11:33] <jahshua> i know ther pastebin part
[11:33] <jahshua> but how do i see sources?
[11:33] <djk_> open /etc/apt/sources.list in kwrite
[11:33] <djk_> copy, and paste it to pastebin.com
[11:34] <djk_> angasule_: the what..
[11:35] <angasule_> djk_: a video of Ballmer\
[11:35] <djk_> and it's about..
[11:36] <chx> the KDE 3.5 Kopete is great -- but the History viewer is almost unusable
[11:36] <angasule_> djk_: it's about ballmer shouting like a maniac
[11:37] <djk_> angasule_: he's doing that in every video i've seen of him..
[11:37] <dclindsay> i would, too
[11:37] <dclindsay> if i were him
[11:37] <seth_k|lappy> chx, I agree. The history is disgusting
[11:37] <seth_k|lappy> chx, write us a new one :)
[11:38] <kakei> hey guys i just reboot and when it start KDE show this error http://pastebin.com/472357 , and i go to the Console (nographix) so i 'startx' and start Gnome
[11:38] <angasule_> o_O he's a sad joke
[11:38] <dclindsay> he's not alone in that
[11:38] <dclindsay> fucking attorney general
[11:38] <dclindsay> excuse me
[11:38] <angasule_> who's the attorney general these days?
[11:39] <angasule_> I'm assuming you're from the US?
[11:39] <dclindsay> attorney general who i would really like to say 'kiss my ass' to
[11:39] <dclindsay> yes
[11:39] <dclindsay> san diego
[11:39] <seth_k|lappy> dclindsay, language please
[11:39] <dclindsay> yes, sorry, thank you
[11:39] <seth_k|lappy> np
[11:39] <seth_k|lappy> just reminding :)
[11:40] <AgeLesS> i should know
[11:40] <AgeLesS> i read his name not this morning
[11:40] <AgeLesS> oh well
[11:40] <dclindsay> it's all about the ideological 'greater struggle' that excuses a law enforcement official from doing anything about a crime that is going on right in front of his face
[11:40] <angasule_> alberto gonzales?
[11:41] <dclindsay> yeah, Gonzalez, Mr. Innocent
[11:42] <AgeLesS> i'm lost?
[11:42] <AgeLesS> is he the guy on death row?
[11:42] <AgeLesS> or am I confused
[11:42] <dclindsay> laff, no
[11:42] <dclindsay> he's the US AG
[11:42] <AgeLesS> oh, lol
[11:42] <dclindsay> i think that's one thing that Ballmer is a maniac about
[11:43] <dclindsay> i mean
[11:43] <AgeLesS> I was thinking of the convicted serial killer in california who is up for pardon
[11:43] <AgeLesS> cuz he has "reformed"
[11:43] <dclindsay> who's that?
[11:43] <dclindsay> Tooky Williams?
[11:43] <AgeLesS> lol, and dthose 2 names are nothing alike
[11:43] <AgeLesS> thank you
[11:43] <dclindsay> he was executed last week
[11:43] <dclindsay> lethal injection
[11:43] <kakei> hey guys i just reboot and when it start KDE show this error http://pastebin.com/472357 , and i go to the Console (nographix) so i 'startx' and start Gnome
[11:44] <AgeLesS> ...must get on the cu rrent events bandwagon
[11:44] <dclindsay> apparently the deciding factor to the Gov. was that he refused to apologize for the killing
[11:44] <AgeLesS> you got a coredump out of startx?
[11:44] <dclindsay> he wasnt really a serial killer though, that's a false impression
[11:45] <AgeLesS> he was a mob boss or something
[11:45] <dclindsay> he was a gang leader
[11:45] <dclindsay> help form the Crips
[11:45] <dclindsay> ever see the movie 'Colors'?
[11:45] <AgeLesS> kakei, I'm very confused, you said that starx + Gnome gave you a coredump with QT classes in it?
[11:45] <AgeLesS> no, I don't htink so
[11:45] <dclindsay> anyways
[11:46] <kakei> AgeLess
[11:46] <angasule_> AgeLesS: no, kde is giving him that error
[11:46] <kakei> i start my computer normal
[11:46] <kakei> so when its going to open KDE it show me that error
[11:46] <kakei> and send me to a console and i type' startx' and start gnome
[11:46] <AgeLesS> but its a core dump, not an x11 log
[11:47] <kakei> yes
[11:47] <dclindsay> so anyways, after a few fits and starts, dist-upgrade to dapper is marinally doable
[11:47] <dclindsay> marginally doable, rather
[11:48] <AgeLesS> perhaps the Xorg error log would be more useful
[11:48] <chx> seth_k|lappy: sure. A browser based one will do?
[11:48] <chx> seth_k|lappy: I am a PHP guy alas not a C one
[11:48] <seth_k|lappy> chx, me too. Methinks the important thing is to have the logs in a nice XML format
[11:48] <seth_k|lappy> that we can then parse any way we want
[11:49] <chx> seth_k|lappy: sure. I think I will my own parser in PHP and then release it
[11:49] <kakei> where can i get the Xorg Log ? AgeLesS
[11:49] <AgeLesS> shoudl be in /var/log/
[11:49] <seth_k|lappy> chx, sounds great. I see that the logs are already XML, pretty nice
[11:49] <chx> another problem. I can't get KATE to not open more than one copy.
[11:50] <chx> previously, kate loaded a doc into a new tab
[11:50] <chx> now it loads a whole new kate :(
[11:50] <AgeLesS> whoa, kate has tabs, since when?
[11:51] <manveru> !info kate-plugins
[11:51] <ubotu> kate-plugins: (plugins for Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 458 kB, Installed size: 3808 kB
[11:51] <manveru> since some years :)
[11:51] <AgeLesS> i know the 3.5 version has the nifty sidebar
[12:02] <kakei> hey guys i get an error called 'kdmgreet' Anyone have idea of how to solve it?
[12:03] <_nano_> kakei: reinstall kdm?


[01:14] <wrst> I am disturbed that I find this funny...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-4oTOnrfYk
[01:14]  * wrst thinks that will be the only time he ever post anything taylor swift related


[20:47] <balloons> dkessel, ping
[22:51] <veebers> balloons: the other day you mentioned that the docs for checkbox that I had i shouldn't use, do you know where better ones are?
[23:49] <shrini> hello all
[23:49] <shrini> I wish to help on automated image testing
[23:49] <shrini> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/autopilot/README.md
[23:50] <shrini> trying this link
[23:50] <shrini> ./ubiquity-autopilot-runner/run-ubiquity-test <ISO>
[23:50] <shrini> when I run this, the tests are running for few min and fail as
[23:50] <shrini> ‘/tmp/run-ubiquity-test.TCmxb8/ubiquity.ttyS0’ has become inaccessible: No such file or directory
[23:50] <shrini> fail with this error message
[23:51] <shrini> how to proceed now?
[23:52] <shrini> I ran this command  ./run-ubiquity-test ~/wily-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:52] <knome> shrini, hello! people who are able to help might not be around right now, but if you can leave your client open, they'll get to you when they are back
[23:52] <shrini> okey knome
[23:52] <shrini> will send a mail to list too
[23:52] <knome> alternatively, you can send an email to the mailing list
[23:52] <knome> yep, that's a good idea :)
[23:53] <shrini> :-)


[19:57] <teward> hello.  The doc team mailing list isn't the place for polls to randomly be sent to, right?
[20:11] <pmatulis> teward: hi, welcome. what sort of poll?
[20:11] <teward> pmatulis: well, unless Alberto (es20490446e AT gmail) is on the list, i doubt it'd hit, since my accidental reply all got rejected instantly
[20:12] <teward> pmatulis: "What Ubuntu release are you using" with a plain link to a Google form apparently
[20:12] <teward> he sent an email burst to three MLs with that
[20:12] <teward> (not the first time he's been on my radar for "WRONG" actions)
[20:17] <pmatulis> teward: i don't understand "well, unless Alberto (es20490446e AT gmail) is on the list, i doubt it'd hit, since my accidental reply all got rejected instantly"
[20:18] <pmatulis> sorry, it's been a long day for me
[20:20] <teward> pmatulis: he emailed the list
[20:20] <teward> email matches the item in parens
[20:20] <teward> the message was a link to a Google form
[20:20] <teward> the subject was "What Ubuntu release are you using"
[20:20] <teward> sounds like a random poll to me, but it's not got a place on this ML or the others
[20:20] <teward> (if that address isn't 'registered' to use the list though, and is not a member, then there's no issue)
[20:27] <pmatulis> teward: well the posting was made, so i guess he is subscribed
[20:28] <teward> mm
[20:28] <teward> well mine wasn't and was autorejected - point not withstanding, whether that's the correct place for a poll or not
[20:30] <pmatulis> teward: i agree that he should have put some context around the request and not used a bombing style approach which is typical of spam
[20:31] <teward> mghm
[20:31] <teward> mhm*
[20:31] <teward> pmatulis: granted i'm not on the doc team list, but the to: field is revealed to all who received
[20:32] <pmatulis> teward: yeah, i see 4 lists
[20:32] <pmatulis> Ubuntu Quality Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] <pmatulis>  Ubuntu Community Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] <pmatulis>  Ubuntu Papercuts Ninjas<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] <pmatulis>  Ubuntu Documentation Team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:32] <teward> ooo yeah, i forgot I snip out Papercuts
[20:33] <teward> pmatulis: -community-team got my poke, i think ALberto is in charge of papercuts, and balloons already responded to the poke regarding the QA list
[20:33] <teward> but yes, I don't like the "drop a bomb" email burst style used
[20:33] <teward> and as i said before, this person's been on my radar and others before
[20:34] <teward> but meh. s
[20:34] <teward> sorry for making noise :)


 College is more confusing than people o the internet
[18:13] <lazyPower> Can be, depends on which course you're referring to
[18:14] <jthan> Well I haven't had time for any fun ones yet :-/
[18:14] <jthan> I'm taking a geography class now that I really enjoy because it's small and discussion based and revolves around the environmental crisis.
[18:16] <teddy-dbear> the world as we know it is back to normal
[18:17] <teddy-dbear> the bear is happy :-D
[18:31] <lvmer> Well this group seems pretty awesome. Is it mostly Philadelphia area?
[18:35] <jthan> Sadly.
[18:35] <jthan> And I only say that because I know for some in further areas where we are not, it is sometimes tough to attend events.
[18:36] <jthan> lvmer: Where abouts do you reside?
[18:36] <lvmer> 10m south of the airport 0.0
[18:36] <jthan> Oh. So Philly.
[18:37] <jthan> Well then you're in luck.
[18:37] <lvmer> coincidentally :)
[18:37] <JonathanD> Hi.
[18:37] <JonathanD> Hey lvmer
[18:37] <JonathanD> lvmer: so we'll see you Saturday the 20th right?
[18:38] <lvmer> that's actually probably a good day
[18:38] <JonathanD> lvmer: the invite has not gone out yet, but there's a linuxy/geeky social thing happening that day.
[18:39] <jthan> I want to go!
[18:39] <lvmer> jonathanD: ah cool
[18:39] <JonathanD> jthan: I'll copy the ML when I send it out.
[18:39] <jthan> I won't actually be home yet.
[18:40] <JonathanD> jthan: oh :(
[18:40] <JonathanD> It'll be 11:30 in Blue Bell. We're getting food, probably around $15 a person.
[18:40] <jthan> I know :-/ Sorry.
[18:40] <lvmer> JonathanD: ah you run the DE group too xD
[18:40] <JonathanD> lvmer: I don't run any groups, I just chill with a lot of them :P
[18:41] <jthan> I used to run the calendar for this group.
[18:41] <jthan> jedijf: btw, still have write access, don't know if that's an issue.
[18:41] <JonathanD> lvmer: I host events that people from various groups go to.
[18:41] <JonathanD> lvmer: like geeknics, and fosscon.
[18:42] <lvmer> ah
[18:42] <jedijf> jthan: only issue is nothing to write to calendar :(
[18:42] <jedijf> jthan: soon though
[18:42] <JonathanD> lvmer: and I sorta help with PLUG too.
[18:43] <JonathanD> lvmer: you should join #plug btw.
[18:43] <jthan> jedijf: Yeah. Mostly did not know if it was a rule that I had to be active to stay on the calendar admin.
[18:43] <lvmer> Maybe newb.... what is plug?
[18:43] <jedijf> jthan: soon you will write Linux holiday get together in Blue Bell
[18:43] <jthan> On that note, I'll be pretty free for time in December/January beyond next week, so if you need anything on the calendar... :-p
[18:45] <JonathanD> lvmer: Philadelphia Linux Users Group.
[18:46] <lvmer> man, really need to get my google skills back in check. I spent a fair amount of time in ubuntu-server and never thought there would be cool groups like this
[18:47] <jthan> That's how we all felt before we found here.
[18:47] <JonathanD> lvmer: there's actually a lot in Philadelphia
[18:47] <JonathanD> and around.
[18:48] <lvmer> YES!
[18:48] <jedijf> lvmer: join the loco
[18:48] <jedijf> launchpad and then grep forums ml etc - get caught up in no time
[18:49] <JonathanD> lvmer: PLUG meets 3 times a month, there's also hive76, a hackerspace.
[18:49] <jedijf> lvmer: start here: http://ubuntupennsylvania.org/
[18:49] <pleia2> recently upgraded to 14.04! ;)
[18:50] <jedijf> and 12.10 is here
[18:50] <lvmer> jedijf: gotcha
[18:50] <jedijf> i need tosend you keys
[18:50] <lvmer> pleia2: how was it, about to do the same
[18:50] <pleia2> lvmer: read the apache upgrade info, otherwise smooth sailing
[18:55] <lvmer> pleia2: gotcha, thanks :)
[18:57] <pleia2> the tl;dr version is that sites-available files need to end in .conf now and my modules got a bit mixed up (had some trouble with mod_rewrite)
[19:24] <mutantturkey> any bread making experience here?
[19:25] <jthan> ChinnoDog and I!
[19:25] <jthan> We used to banter about our bread all the time.
[19:26] <mutantturkey> great
[19:26] <mutantturkey> okay so i tried a batch with a good recipie
[19:26] <mutantturkey> but i think the issue was the yeast
[19:27] <mutantturkey> like, it didn't rise really
[19:27] <jthan> So.. both of us mostly use a live sourdough starter and therefore don't really have to "activate" our yeast.. But, yes... If it didn't rise, probably a time or yeast issue.
[19:27] <jthan> Did you keep it warm?
[19:27] <mutantturkey> how?
[19:27] <mutantturkey> how the heck am i supposed to know what 110 degrees is?
[19:28] <mutantturkey> re: i waited an hour, punched it down and waited again for an hour
[19:28] <mutantturkey> didn't really grow at all
[19:28] <mutantturkey> the result was delicious but very dense bread
[19:28] <jthan> Meh, sometimes the second rise isn't as significant.  Did it bake okay? was it really dense or what?
[19:28] <jthan> Ooh.
[19:28] <jthan> Yeah..
[19:28] <mutantturkey> the first one didn't really risee
[19:28] <jthan> Well, did you keep a warm/moist tea towel over the bowl?
[19:28] <mutantturkey> any tips?
[19:29] <mutantturkey> no what's a tea towel?
[19:29] <mutantturkey> << total noob
[19:29] <jthan> Well, just any towel really. Like.. a dish towel
[19:30] <mutantturkey> yeah
[19:30] <mutantturkey> i used only 1/4 oz packet
[19:30] <jthan> Usually I'd knead my stuff, flop it into the bowl or dish, and then cover it with a moist towel or two even
[19:30] <jthan> This helps it hold some heat and moisture
[19:30] <jthan> How much yeast did it call for?
[19:30] <mutantturkey> but it didn't really rise at all, so i think debugging this bread issue it's probably the yeast
[19:31] <teddy-dbear> matzo
[19:32] <mutantturkey> 25g/1oz fresh yeast or 2 tsp eastblent (quick-rise) dry yeast
[19:32] <mutantturkey> 2 1/4 tsp == 1/4 oz
[19:33] <jthan> It could just be bad yeast
[19:34] <mutantturkey> i just got it !
[19:34] <mutantturkey> maybe it's bad... its best if used by 2016 though
[19:35] <mutantturkey> i think it could be a temperature issue
[19:35] <mutantturkey> like not hot enough to activate it
[19:35] <jthan> Just get a sourdough starter
[19:35] <jthan> That's some good stuff
[19:37] <jedijf> mutantturkey: radiators in your house? my grandmother used to wrap and put the pizzelle dough on top of the radiator - philly rowhome proofbox
[19:37] <mutantturkey> yes yes i do have thouse
[19:37] <mutantturkey> jedijf: row home FTW
[19:37] <mutantturkey> jthan: i am not crazy about sourdough
[19:37] <jedijf> radiator heat for the nose/breathing win
[19:38] <jthan> mutantturkey: if you don't leave it sit as long as recipes call for, it can be pretty mild
[19:38] <mutantturkey> i'm trying a specific swiss recipie my mum makes though
[19:38] <mutantturkey> so
[19:39] <jedijf> ....ask mum
[19:39] <mutantturkey> i did
[19:39] <mutantturkey> she says i'm a fool for trying
[19:40] <mutantturkey> jthan: http://www.thefrugalgirl.com/2010/02/wednesday-baking-troubleshooting-yeast-bread/
[19:40] <mutantturkey> i read on the internet that...
[19:40] <mutantturkey> my dough is too stiff?
[19:40] <mutantturkey> i mean it was pretty stiff i think, the directions says it should be pulling of the bowl when you kneed it
[19:40] <jthan> Yeah, there should be some springiness to it
[19:41] <jthan> I think after you bake it, they mean
[19:43] <mutantturkey> 'to a fairly firm dough whih does no tstick excessively to the hands or the bowl'
[20:15] <ChinnoDog> Meaning not so wet that it sticks to everything.
[20:17] <ChinnoDog> Wet dough will not only stick to everything but if you try to create a freestanding loaf without a mold it will sag until it is flat.
[20:58] <lazyPower> i love kneading dough
[20:58] <lazyPower> its a great way to deal with frustration
[20:58] <lazyPower> just beat it until it submits
[22:12] <JonathanD> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/plug-friends-mas-party-tickets-14889070611
[22:12] <JonathanD> Party Thingy.
[22:24] <rmg51> PACS Saturday :P
[22:25] <waltman> come by afterwards!
[22:27] <rmg51> I'm there till 3pm
[22:28] <rmg51> then I have to head home to relieve the babysitter
[23:35] <waltman> :*
[23:35] <waltman> :(
[23:43] <jthan> just eyes in the night
[23:43] <jthan> :