[20:10] <rypervenche> Nikesh: Yes, that is where the web server is running.
[20:10] <rypervenche> Nikesh: You will need to add the ssl_certificate amd ssl_certificate_key lines to the configuration and then restart/reload nginx.
[20:11] <Nikesh> rypervenche: OK cool, I will start with that and see, I appreciate your help!
[20:12] <rypervenche> No problem :)
[20:14] <destinydriven> ubuntu3, lspci shows this output for Audio - 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
[20:15] <destinydriven> ubuntu853, ^^
[20:16] <Bashing-om> xamox: I can not see the path " /etc/networking/interfaces.d/p1p1.cfg " as valid. See : ' man 5 interfaces ' . I think the file you want to make your edits is " /etc/network/interfaces " (??) .
[20:20] <ubuntu853> destinydriven: I can appreciatte your effort however I can't help. Others I doubt will be able to without more details. If your a new user this may be a learning moment with a reinstall and not doing things without understanding and documenting.
[20:20] <destinydriven> ubuntu853, ok, thanks though
[20:21] <ubuntu853> destinydriven: I would like to see it fixed just can't really help. ;)
[20:21] <xamox> Bashing-om, in my /etc/networking/interfaces file I have source /etc/interfaces.d/  which in the man page claims it is valid.
[20:21] <destinydriven> ubuntu853, I understand
[20:21] <xamox> It also works the first time I set the IP this way, but not if I change that .cfg file unless I reboot, which is strange
[20:26] <pagios> hi
[20:26] <TJ-> xamox: As Bashing-om  pointed out, the correct path is "/etc/network/interfaces" not "/etc/networking/interfaces" - maybe that's just a typo? But, if you read "man 5 interfaces" you'll learn that the naming format of files in "source-directory" locations are checked to match the regular expression: ^[a-zA-Z0-9_-]+$  which does not contain a dot so your xxxx.cfg file won't be processed according to that
[20:26] <Bashing-om> xamox: Humm .. but /etc/<networking>/ is not a vlaid path name .
[20:27] <xamox> Sorry it is suppose to /network/
[20:27] <xamox> err. /etc/network, is the correct path
[20:27] <xamox> sm@sm-mi-dcn-1:/etc/network$ more  interfaces
[20:27] <xamox> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[20:27] <xamox> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[20:27] <xamox> # The loopback network interface
[20:27] <xamox> auto lo
[20:27] <xamox> iface lo inet loopback
[20:28] <Bashing-om> !paste | xamox
[20:28] <xamox> Sorry about that
[20:29] <xamox> I'm used to slack
[20:29] <xamox> https://gist.github.com/xamox/08ef3b8c50334d1b69a6
[20:29] <ErfanBs> how i can change a directory permission ?
[20:29] <TJ-> xamox: Read "man 5 interfaces" carefully: "Similarly,  "source-directory"  keyword  is  used to source multiple files at once, without specifying them individually or using shell
[20:29] <TJ->        globsSimilarly,  "source-directory"  keyword  is  used to source multiple files at once, without specifying them individually or using shell globs..."
[20:30] <xamox> Ahh!
[20:30] <xamox> let me give that a try
[20:30] <TJ-> xamox: So, correct the "source-directory" statement and remove the ".cfg" extension from the files you want to be included
[20:31] <xamox> TJ-, okay, one sec I'll let you know if htat work
[20:32] <ChunkzZ> anyone know why my mx100 has issues with linux?
[20:32] <ChunkzZ> mainly ubuntu...
[20:34] <tnkhanh> hi guys
[20:34]  * tnkhanh waves hand
[20:34] <BitFire> hi
[20:35] <BitFire> do you okay ?
[20:36] <tnkhanh> yes, i do. Thanks!
[20:36] <abbasi_> :)
[20:36] <abbasi_> hello
[20:37] <abbasi_> anybody here?
[20:37] <autopoiesis> anyone familiar with xfce desktop environment? i have a question: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/3bpgs8/xfce4_how_do_i_get_rid_of_this_grey_shadow_on_my/
[20:38] <ErfanBs> how i can change a directory permission
[20:38] <Bashing-om> abbasi_: State your issue to the channel to gain support for your issue .
[20:38] <darthanubis> !permissions
[20:38] <abbasi_> http://s10.postimg.org/5v06z7js9/Capture.png i am facing this
[20:38] <xamox> TJ-, Didn't work. :(
[20:38] <xamox> I'm going to test just tossing in interfaces file instead of trying to use interfaces.d folder
[20:39] <hexafraction> abbasi_: What specific server application are you trying to run?
[20:39] <abbasi_> I have tried -allow-server-runas-root but still getting this error
[20:39] <abbasi_> i m trying to run vcmp server
[20:39] <abbasi_> gaming server
[20:40] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Why don't you just not run it as root? Why is root needed in your case?
[20:40] <TJ-> xamindar: given your other syntax issues are you sure the fragments in interfaces.d/ are correct?
[20:40] <abbasi_> i also tried it as root
[20:40] <abbasi_> and also made user
[20:40] <abbasi_> but still getting this
[20:41] <Jakey2> can anuone recommend an ssd for my dell insiron 15 (n5050) running lunbuntu, looking for 250 gb
[20:41] <Jakey2> ?
[20:41] <Jakey2> *anyone
[20:41] <hexafraction> abbasi_: If you make a user, you need to actually run the server as that user. What command are you using to start it?
[20:41] <abbasi_> i tried it on user and root both
[20:42] <abbasi_> i am using screen cmd
[20:42] <Jakey2> or generally good ssd for ubuntu
[20:42] <Jakey2> ?
[20:42] <hexafraction> abbasi_: What specific command are you running, to start the server?
[20:42] <abbasi_> screen cmd
[20:42] <hexafraction> OK, I understand you're running it *in* screen.
[20:43] <abbasi_> and server name is mpsvrrel32 and i only tried ./mpsvrrel32 to show this error
[20:43] <abbasi_> if i use screen it shows screen terminating
[20:43] <hexafraction> What user are you logged in as?
[20:43] <sadkisson> I am using ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and initially when I add my IPAD to use its internet connection it works great. Once I reboot or if I suspend my laptop it shows connected then immediately drops again. I can then remove the device and readd and it will work fine.  Is this a known issue?
[20:43] <abbasi_> my name
[20:43] <abbasi_> abbasi
[20:43] <hexafraction> What is the output of whoami when run in the screen session?
[20:44] <hexafraction> Go through the process to run the server, but instead of ./mpsvrrel32 run whoami
[20:44] <abbasi_> it shows nothing and disappears by showing screen terminating
[20:44] <hexafraction> OK, don't use screen then, for a second
[20:45] <abbasi_> i didnt use
[20:45] <abbasi_> in centos this prob was fixed by making user
[20:45] <hexafraction> If you're not using screen, then why is everything being answered by "screen is terminating"?
[20:46] <bekks> abbasi_: you have to create a user AND use that user.
[20:46] <abbasi_> i cant see anything
[20:46] <bekks> When doing what?
[20:46] <abbasi_> screen disappears suddenly
[20:46] <danielw329> I made a clonezilla partition backup instead of a full drive backup by mistake. I made a partition backup of /dev/sda2 which is a logical volume with /dev/centos(/home /root /swap). i restored the partition, and i have a sda1 with /boot. but i get stuck at the "booting pxe, booting floppy, booting disk.....*freeze*". How can i get the /dev/centos/root to boot? I can mount it and see all the files.
[20:47] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Don't use screen, just run the command directly in a normal shell.
[20:47] <abbasi_> when use screen
[20:47] <bekks> danielw329: you mean your /dev/sda2 is a physical volume holding a volume group?
[20:47] <danielw329> does anyone have anyidea what im talking about, or know of good documentation to refrence?
[20:47] <danielw329> bekks: si
[20:47] <abbasi_> i tried directly
[20:47] <abbasi_> and also tried by user
[20:47] <bekks> danielw329: And what did you do after you created your backup of sda2?
[20:48] <ChunkzZ> Anyone else have issues with Ubuntu and their mx100 ssd?
[20:48] <hexafraction> When you tried directly, what happened?
[20:48] <abbasi_> direct shows this http://s10.postimg.org/5v06z7js9/Capture.png
[20:48] <danielw329> I re'OS'ed with ESXi host.
[20:48] <bekks> abbasi_: Thats still running as root.
[20:48] <hexafraction> No, what happens when you run whoami directly in the same manner?
[20:48] <abbasi_> no its user
[20:48] <bekks> abbasi_: Its user, as the error message clearly states.
[20:49] <hexafraction> bekks: Do you mean `root`?
[20:49] <abbasi_> it shows -allow-server-runas-root
[20:49] <bekks> hexafraction: yes :)
[20:49] <danielw329> It was a temp thing. I wasnt planning to keep it. When i went to restore it failed and i realized why. I have since tried reinstalling a fresh centos7, and then restoring, and i can see the files restored, but its not booting the partition.
[20:49] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Is mpsvrrel32 a setuid executable?
[20:49] <abbasi_> no abbasi my name
[20:49] <abbasi_> yes
[20:49] <hexafraction> abbasi_: You haven't answered a key question I posed. What is the output of whoami?
[20:49] <bekks> danielw329: So thats a question for the centos support then :)
[20:49] <hexafraction> Well, there we go. If you have a setuid root executable, when you run it, it will be run as root.
[20:50] <abbasi_> http://s10.postimg.org/5v06z7js9/Capture.png this
[20:50] <hexafraction> abbasi_: You've shown me the same picture 3 times now.
[20:50] <abbasi_> :/
[20:50] <danielw329> sadly i agree bekks. lol. but the centos room i tried was dead. i was just hoping someone in ubuntu had worked with lvm enough to know.
[20:51] <hexafraction> abbasi_: I don't care at the moment what running your game server command shows. It would help to know what whoami outputs, and whether the server application is setuid-root.
[20:51] <abbasi_> simply when i tried this in centos same thing happened and it was fixed by making user
[20:51] <abbasi_> i m new user of linux so i dont know details :'(
[20:51] <hexafraction> Please show us the output of whoami and ls -als /path/to/server
[20:51] <TJ-> danielw329: "sudo pvscan && sudo vgchange -ay" should be sufficient
[20:52] <TJ-> daniele12457_: But, if you mean you trying to boot from a disk without a boot loader, then install a boot loader :)
[20:53] <TJ-> danielw329:  But, if you mean you trying to boot from a disk without a boot loader, then install a boot loader :)
[20:53] <BitFire> hexxafraction, configure file  /etc/sudoers and setting permission to file, user or program to execute as root!
[20:53] <danielw329> TJ: i found them, yes. and have them active. so they are now mountable and mounted. Im not sure how to make it bootable.
[20:53] <abbasi_> server is in home/abbasi
[20:53]  * TJ- grrrs @ tab completion!
[20:53] <hexafraction> BitFire: No, the point is that the user is running something as root that they shouldn't be.
[20:53] <hexafraction> Also, only one 'x' in my nick :)
[20:53] <hexafraction> abbasi_: OK, then run:
[20:53] <xar_> is there any presentation generator tool, please?
[20:53] <hexafraction> ls -als /home/abbasi/
[20:54] <abbasi_> still showing this
[20:54] <hexafraction> And show us the line that lists the server's executable (mpsvrrel32)
[20:54] <TJ-> danielw329: Probably the best way is to mount the root file-system in a chroot and use the tool-set there to re-install the kernels (if necessary) and the boot loader
[20:54] <hexafraction> abbasi_: I'm not asking you to run the server. I'm asking you to run a completely different diagnostic command. It'
[20:55] <hexafraction> It's insensible that it would show the same error message, since you should be running a completely different command.
[20:55] <abbasi_> now this http://s14.postimg.org/sgfa5pqo1/Capture2.png
[20:55] <ChunkzZ> Anyone else have issues with Ubuntu and their mx100 ssd?
[20:56] <bekks> ChunkzZ: How about stating your actual issues?
[20:56] <hexafraction> abbasi_: That screenshot doesn't show all the lines
[20:56] <danielw329> TJ: ive been checking arch and gentoo wiki's for installing a bootloader. everything is information on how to set up a standard partion. they dont mention much about lvm volumes. are they referenced the same way? just instead of /dev/sda2 its /dev/volgroup/logicalvolume ?
[20:56] <hexafraction> Please show a more complete screenshot (especially with the line that references mpsvrrel32)
[20:57] <abbasi_> only these lines were shown
[20:57] <abbasi_> w8
[20:57] <ChunkzZ> bekks, okay. why is ubuntu painfully slow on my mx100 ssd?
[20:57] <hexafraction> OK, then you told me something incorrect before. Where is mpsvrrel32 (the command you are running) located?
[20:57] <xar_> is there any presentation generator tool, please?
[20:57] <bekks> ChunkzZ: What does "painfully slow" means, exactly?
[20:58] <TJ-> danielw329: If you use a chroot grub-install and update-grub will figure it all out for you including ensuring the correct GRUB modules are loaded.
[20:58] <ChunkzZ> really bekks ?
[20:58] <ChunkzZ> like slow loading, etc
[20:58] <danielw329> TJ: omg duh, your right.
[20:58] <ChunkzZ> slow boot times, freezing etc
[20:58] <erkburgles> Is there someone who could please help troubleshoot my touchpad not working
[20:58] <bekks> ChunkzZ: Define "slow loading".
[20:58] <ChunkzZ> ^
[20:58] <hexafraction> ChunkzZ: It could mean a lot of things. Slow computation, slow graphics, slow disk IO, etc are all different things
[20:58] <danielw329> TJ: ill check back in a little if i figure it out,
[20:58] <abbasi_> wait
[20:58] <erkburgles> i only have a computer with internet so im gimping along
[20:58] <abbasi_> uploading
[20:59] <TJ-> danielw329: If the root file-system image includes the kernel/initrd/grub files (rather than expecting them to be in a separate partition) then the recovery shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes
[20:59] <erkburgles> computer with ubuntu
[20:59] <ChunkzZ> bekks, slow boot times, slow copying files. EVERYTHING slow.
[20:59] <ChunkzZ> windows is fine bekks
[20:59] <ChunkzZ> hexafraction, I am reading there's problems with the mx100 and linux....
[20:59] <bekks> ChunkzZ: Define "slow boot times, etc." - give us examples.
[20:59] <abbasi_> http://s17.postimg.org/jfapic4wf/Capture2.png this
[20:59] <ChunkzZ> that's WHY I asked if there was anyone else having issues
[21:00] <ChunkzZ> bekks, you trying to piss me off?
[21:00] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Well there we go! It's set setuid
[21:00] <ChunkzZ> slow boot times. how can I say more????
[21:00] <TJ-> danielw329: If /boot/ doesn't contain those files and is only a mount-point you'll need to create a separate partition for /boot/ and format it then reinstall the kernel images, regenerate the initrd, before grub-install and update-grub
[21:00] <erkburgles> is there someone here who can take pity on a noob who is gimping along with no trackpad
[21:00] <abbasi_> how to set?
[21:00] <bekks> ChunkzZ: How do we know what "slow boot times" are for you? How long does it boot?
[21:00] <hexafraction> abbasi_: chmod a-s /home/abbasi/mpsvrrel32
[21:00] <kutsuya> danielw329: seems like I recall some old docs on that. http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Install_Gentoo_on_an_LVM2_root_partition
[21:00] <ChunkzZ> a few minutes bekks
[21:01] <ChunkzZ> I'll just /ignore you
[21:01] <ChunkzZ> anyone else?
[21:01] <bekks> ChunkzZ: Good luck.
[21:01] <abbasi_> then?
[21:01] <ubuntu853> nope and good luck now
[21:01] <erkburgles> is there someone here who can take pity on a noob who is gimping along with no trackpad
[21:01] <hexafraction> ChunkzZ: Please be more civil. It is often necessary to get more specific information than "slow boot" in order to help diagnose.
[21:01] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Try running it again and see if it works.
[21:01] <abbasi_> k :)
[21:02] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Wait a second, why is EVERYTHING in this folder owned by root?
[21:02] <danielw329> kutsuya: reviewing it now
[21:02] <hexafraction> have you been misusing sudo in any way?
[21:02] <ChunkzZ> hexafraction, yeah but it is what it is. 2 minutes to boot and windows is in seconds. I really don't know how to explain further...
[21:02] <ChunkzZ> hence WHY I ASKED if anyone had the mx100
[21:02] <ChunkzZ> :)
[21:02] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: Your Windows install probably uses fastboot a.k.a. hibernation
[21:02] <danielw329> TJ: i see the files in /boot but im not sure if they are everything i need. i think so though. since it was installed the same way as the orginial backed'up OS was.
[21:03] <hexafraction> ChunkzZ: Still, ignoring someone trying to help you is not the way to go. I can help you through the process of collecting more info in just a second
[21:03] <ChunkzZ> TJ-, nah, hibernate is disabled
[21:03] <danielw329> so it should ahve the same kernal images.
[21:03] <erkburgles> is there someone here who can take pity on a noob who is gimping along with no trackpad
[21:03] <abbasi_> idk but there is user abbasi in home
[21:03] <gaurav_SpringDEV> hi friends
[21:03] <TJ-> danielw329: If you see files such as vmlinux, initrd, and a grub/ sub-dir you're good to go
[21:03] <abbasi_> and mpsvrrel32 is in abbasi
[21:03] <hexafraction> ChunkzZ: Can you run dmesg > dmesg.txt in a terminal?
[21:03] <gaurav_SpringDEV> new to Unix scripting
[21:03] <hexafraction> abbasi_: EVERYTHING in your home folder is owned by root.
[21:03] <Denlud> hey ma linux niggas
[21:04] <TJ-> ChunkzZ: For slow boots that may be caused by hardware problems take a look at "/var/log/dmesg"
[21:04] <Denlud> whats going on?
[21:04] <hexafraction> (or everything in that folder)
[21:04] <abbasi_> then what to do?
[21:04] <erkburgles> need help troubleshooting trackpad
[21:04] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Change the permissions back
[21:04] <Denlud> you dont have to expect help here
[21:04] <abbasi_> i used adduser cmd
[21:04] <Denlud> linux users dont help each other
[21:04] <erkburgles> english please denlud
[21:04] <hexafraction> chown -R abbasi:abbasi /home/abbasi
[21:05] <gaurav_SpringDEV> can somebody guide how to run a shell script placed in one of my directory;shell is prompting me : test.sh : command not found
[21:05] <thomedy> what is the s in chmod
[21:05] <darthanubis> Denlud, don't troll
[21:05] <thomedy>  i have a directory at 777 but i must have done something strange because i also have an s
[21:05] <Denlud> ??
[21:05] <abbasi_> i have changed
[21:05] <Denlud> I am speaking english
[21:05] <erkburgles> no
[21:05] <ubuntu853> thomedy: man chmod
[21:05] <Denlud> yes
[21:05] <hexafraction> thomedy: s is setuid/setgid
[21:05] <xar_> is there any presentation generator tool, please?
[21:05] <hexafraction> xar_: Libreoffice impress
[21:06] <TJ-> Denlud: What is your support question?
[21:06] <thomedy> im trying to figure out why i cant read files from apache in this directory
[21:06] <abbasi_> now?
[21:06] <Denlud> my question is:
[21:06] <hexafraction> ChunkzZ: If you could pastebin the output from dmesg it might be the best way to diagnose the issue with your SSD.
[21:06] <Denlud> How can i configurate linux?
[21:07] <hexafraction> Denlud: Configure, in what way?
[21:07] <xar_> hexafraction, yes, but here I need a web presentation generator tool !
[21:07] <abbasi_> now what to do?
[21:07] <TJ-> Denlud: wrong channel; try ##linux   .... this is for Ubuntu support only
[21:07] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Now stop using root unless you actually need it.
[21:07] <hexafraction> You should be set for now. Does your server work now?
[21:07] <Denlud> i want to set up a ubuntu server
[21:07] <thomedy> oh my setuid sounds dangerous
[21:07] <Denlud> and i dont know how
[21:07] <abbasi_> use abbasi?
[21:07] <darthanubis> Denlud, what have you done already?
[21:08] <abbasi_> user?
[21:08] <erkburgles> need help troubleshooting trackpad
[21:08] <Denlud> nothing
[21:08] <hexafraction> Yes, always use your user account unless you SPECIFICALLY need root.
[21:08] <abbasi_> now i m trying to login as user and tell u
[21:08] <TJ-> Denlud: See http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/install-ubuntu-server
[21:08] <darthanubis> Denlud, we need specific questions in order to help you. You should start by downloading the ubuntu-server installation disk
[21:08] <erkburgles> dude can ANYONE HELP ME HERE
[21:08] <darthanubis> erkburgles, CAPS won't help
[21:09] <darthanubis> !patience | erkburgles
[21:09] <erkburgles> at least it got a response from someone
[21:09] <looxi> hi ! where's french chat's please ?
[21:09] <pbx> erkburgles, the more detail and evidence of your own efforts you give, the better help you'll get
[21:09] <darthanubis> !fr | looxi
[21:09] <docmur> I have a headless Ubuntu server running as an iSCSI targett for my Windows machines.  Is there a way to push Desktop Noticiations from the Ubuntu Server to the Windows Desktop so they get a warning
[21:09] <hexafraction> erkburgles: Also, please don't direct-message users. If someone knows how to help you, they will when they see your question and are available
[21:10] <hexafraction> For now it would be good to provide info such as log files, what you've tried, what you expect to happen, and what actually happens.
[21:10] <erkburgles> so no one here knows how to troubleshoot a trackpad not working in ubuntu is what youre saying
[21:10] <hexafraction> erkburgles: Well, you
[21:10] <erkburgles> no
[21:10] <hexafraction> you've direct messaged me and I certainly don't know how.
[21:10] <erkburgles> read what you wrot
[21:10] <erkburgles> e
[21:10] <erkburgles> wow
[21:10] <hexafraction> Sorry, I hit [enter] instead of [apostrophe]. It's a common typo.
[21:11] <darthanubis> !attitude | darthanubis
[21:11] <Denlud> i have to set up a server for a company. To store Data on it.
[21:11] <erkburgles> ?
[21:11] <hexafraction> We're not people that magically know everything there is about every piece of hardware and software. Not everyone in-channel can assist at this moment.
[21:11] <Denlud> And i dont know anything about servers or linux, what should i do?
[21:11] <darthanubis> !attitude | erkburgles
[21:11] <erkburgles> oh jesus
[21:11] <erkburgles> goodbye
[21:12] <darthanubis> Denlud, read linux books
[21:12] <pbx> Denlud, i'd say: ask your company to help get the job done right by partnering you with someone who knows what to do, or to send you to get the appropriate training
[21:12] <darthanubis> install distros in a vm
[21:12] <darthanubis> pbx, basically
[21:12] <Denlud> i must finish it tomorrow....
[21:12] <darthanubis> Denlud, its not going to happen
[21:13] <darthanubis> might as well tell them that now
[21:13] <Denlud> it should be a server to save data from 1200 people
[21:13] <pbx> Denlud, then no offense but you're going to do it wrong or not get it done.   tell your boss they need to recalibrate or hire out
[21:13] <Denlud> and their user kontos should be saved on the server too
[21:13] <squinty> Denlud:  there is a #ubuntu-server channel available here on freenode.  might want to troll over there
[21:13] <hexafraction> Denlud: It's fairly hard to set up a server to save data for a single person in a day. Setting one up to handle accounting and data for 1200 users, with reliability, security, etc, isn't going to happen in one day.
[21:14] <abbasi_> thanks alot that prob is solved but now getting error in file that is .txt file failed to open file in append mode
[21:14] <Denlud> But there are 6 hours left....
[21:14] <hexafraction> I've done such a thing before on a similar scale. I spent 2 weeks planning it, a week scripting it, 3 days testing it in a virtual environment, and then wished I spent more time planning and preparing.
[21:14] <hexafraction> ^ Denlud
[21:14] <hexafraction> abbasi_: What file is it trying to append to>
[21:15] <hexafraction> *?
[21:15] <abbasi_> its .txt file
[21:15] <hexafraction> Yes, I know it's a txt file. What is its name? Where is it located?
[21:15] <abbasi_> server_log.txt
[21:15] <hexafraction> OK, is there a file called server_log.txt you see anywhere?
[21:15] <abbasi_> its loaded my mpsvrrel32
[21:16] <hexafraction> Wait, so it is working now?
[21:16] <abbasi_> yes
[21:16] <hexafraction> OK, then you should be all set
[21:16] <Denlud> Ok, i think i started downloading the image.....yeeesss.....
[21:16] <abbasi_> no its showing this error
[21:16] <thomedy> okay so this has to be a permissions thing and if someone tells me that i m in th wrong room im okay with that i am just not sure where to go with this it seems like the right thing tocome in here
[21:16] <hexafraction> Denlud: What image? Ubuntu server?
[21:16] <hexafraction> abbasi_: OK, where is server_log.txt located?
[21:16] <Denlud> now i have to wait, for the ubuntu server image.
[21:17] <Denlud> After that i make some orders in the console, that you said and finish...
[21:17] <abbasi_> in same folder where mpsvrrel32 is located
[21:17] <hexafraction> Denlud: I would advise you right now, unless you are already experienced with setting up a server application that can do this for you, it's not going to happen in a day
[21:17] <thomedy> i have an html5 player im making.. and i know this isn't the room for that my question isn't about that. I can play the video as long as its not in my private_files directory
[21:17] <hexafraction> OK, just a sec
[21:17] <thomedy> but currently everyone in the world has read access to that
[21:17] <thomedy> so what am i  missing about why its not playering
[21:18] <thomedy> the player is fine itself it works outside of the directory
[21:18] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Can you run ls -als /home/abbasi again, and show me the screen capture?
[21:18] <thomedy> but once i try to play a file inside  i get black
[21:19] <abbasi_> http://s24.postimg.org/tq6xn1wb9/Capture2.png
[21:19] <Denlud> you get a black out?
[21:20] <Denlud> after you try to play a file inside?
[21:20] <cinco34> helllo i wanna make a bootable dvd to see a cople of linux distros
[21:20] <hexafraction> abbasi_: OK, can you then run:
[21:20] <Denlud> maybe you should meet a doctor
[21:20] <hexafraction> sudo chown -R abbasi:abbasi /home/abbasi
[21:20] <thomedy> no my video doesn't play basically
[21:20] <abbasi_> can conversion of .txt to notepad fix it?
[21:20] <hexafraction> abbasi_: No, it's a permissions issue
[21:20] <cinco34> do anyone can recomend a cople of distro y i  am dowmloadinf roda and blag
[21:20] <hexafraction> (the reason we're using sudo right now is because root owns the files, and we're trying to fix that right now)
[21:21] <thomedy> so i get a space where video should play but no video
[21:21] <cinco34>  and y plan to use ubuntu mate
[21:21] <abbasi_> allow
[21:21] <hexafraction> ?
[21:21] <thomedy> and once i take it to a diff directory and play it there its fine same php file same video different directroy
[21:21] <hexafraction> yes, put in your password when sudo asks you
[21:21] <Denlud> i use ubuntu mate
[21:21] <thomedy> hexafraction: was that at me
[21:21] <hexafraction> thomedy: OK
[21:22] <thomedy> so your talking to me right?
[21:22] <abbasi_> again failed to open that file in apend mode?
[21:22] <hexafraction> thomedy: No, I was talking to abbasi_ and then I misread your message
[21:22] <thomedy> got it...
[21:23] <abbasi_> by changing permissions
[21:23] <hexafraction> abbasi_: Then just sudo rm /home/abbasi/server_log.txt
[21:24] <hexafraction> Did running sudo chown -R abbasi:abbasi /home/abbasi cause any error messages to be shown?
[21:24] <abbasi_> abbasi is not in sudoers file
[21:24] <hexafraction> OK, do you have a root password set?
[21:24] <abbasi_> me?
[21:24] <hexafraction> Yes
[21:25] <abbasi_> yes
[21:25] <TJ-> hexafraction: Can you please prefix your comments with the user's nickname?
[21:25] <abbasi_> can i login with it?
[21:25] <hexafraction> TJ-: Apologies
[21:25] <hexafraction> abbasi_: No, don't log in with root at the moment
[21:25] <abbasi_> k
[21:25] <abbasi_> what to do?
[21:26] <hexafraction> Can you do su root chown -R abbasi:abbasi /home/abbasi
[21:26] <hexafraction> And provide your root password, abbasi_?
[21:26] <abbasi_> done
[21:26] <hexafraction> OK, now can you run whoami?
[21:26] <hexafraction> ^ abbasi_
[21:26] <abbasi_> ?
[21:27] <abbasi_> cmd?
[21:27] <hexafraction> abbasi_: No, just run whoami in your terminal and tell me what it outputs
[21:27] <abbasi_> k
[21:28] <hexafraction> Unrelated question for anyone here: Should I be worried about having dmesg log invalid TCP flags hitting iptables?  My guess would be - if this is a public host - that the probes are for vulnerable MS Windows systems
[21:31] <thomedy> its so weird the chown and owner have revealed the same owners and now everything is 777
[21:32] <thomedy> so my apache runs owner as thomedy and group as www-data
[21:32] <thomedy> but the owner of my file is that too
[21:32] <thomedy> im so confused
[21:32] <erkburgles> I need help troubleshooting a trackpad not working. I have very limited ability to do pretty much anything including get on irc, if anyone can help me out i would greatly appreciate it
[21:32] <hexafraction> TJ-: Residental system, runs services over IPv6 but these are all v4 packets.
[21:32] <hexafraction> abbasi_: I'm always on this IRC network. Just /query hexafraction to open a direct message window
[21:32] <abbasi_> k i will meet u tomorrow now going :)
[21:32] <hexafraction> OK.
[21:33] <TJ-> erkburgles: make/model of device, and release of Ubuntu ?
[21:33] <erkburgles> 15. whatever the newest is, dell inspiron 3451i
[21:34] <TJ-> erkburgles: 15.04 Vivid?
[21:34] <erkburgles> i went into tty and found device number not sure how to file that against hal or whatever
[21:34] <erkburgles> how can i find the exact release
[21:34] <erkburgles> im not sure th
[21:34] <erkburgles> tj
[21:35] <Ben64> erkburgles: lsb_release -a
[21:35] <SchrodingersScat> erkburgles: lsb_release -a    ?
[21:35] <hexafraction> TJ-: IPKF_Invalid_TCP_Flag: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=04:XX:XX:XX:XX:de:6c:b0:XX:14:XX:af:XX:XX SRC=108.X.X.X DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=40 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=51 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=37774 WINDOW=0 RES=0x00 RST URGP=0
[21:35] <hexafraction> (<IP_ADDRESS> being my machine's IP)
[21:35] <TJ-> erkburgles: Can you show us "pastebinit <( /var/log/kern.log )" please?
[21:35] <hexafraction> I have no idea how to interpret out the flags from that log entry.
[21:35] <erkburgles> vivid 15.0.4
[21:35] <Ben64> hexafraction: why censor ip
[21:36] <erkburgles> tj i dont even know how to get to the message you just sent me
[21:36] <hexafraction> Ben64: Is there a reason you need IP?
[21:36] <erkburgles> with just the keyboard
[21:36] <hexafraction> erkburgles: Open a terminal and just type that
[21:36] <hexafraction> (Ctrl+Alt+T to open a term)
[21:36] <hexafraction> Alt-tab to switch back to your IRC client
[21:36] <erkburgles> yes of course thats how i just gave you the release others gave me the command for
[21:36] <Ben64> hexafraction: why censor it though, its not you, public ips are public
[21:36] <TJ-> erkburgles: You need to open a terminal and type it at the command-line, then give us the URL it provides where we will be able to view the contents of the file the command read
[21:36] <hexafraction> Ben64: Just a habitual action.
[21:37] <erkburgles> wait what url
[21:37] <erkburgles> what am i typing into the terminal?
[21:37] <hexafraction> You are typing the following:
[21:37] <hexafraction> pastebinit <( /var/log/kern.log )
[21:37] <erkburgles> ok
[21:37] <hexafraction> And it will answer with a URL within a few seconds. You need to provide us that URL.
[21:37] <TJ-> hexafraction: the SPT suggests the packet might belong to a HTTP session from a browser
[21:38] <hexafraction> TJ-: Yes, but equally, could an attacker use a sourceport of 80 to make it look like an HTTP session?
[21:38] <marianne_> having sound issue with 15.04 - played fine on sunday and now nothing. I've looked at the settings in alsamixer, they are fine, have restricted extras installed. No idea... anyone help?
[21:38] <Ben64> hexafraction: well what is the ip
[21:38] <TJ-> hexafraction: Is there an existing HTTP session originating on port 37774?
[21:38] <hexafraction> I'll run wireshark for a bit, later on. Do I need to do anything special to make it receive iptables-filtered packets?
[21:39] <erkburgles> telling me that pastebinit is not even installed
[21:39] <hexafraction> TJ-: I'm not sure at the moment. I've got to go soon, but I'll be able to test it more thoroughly in an hour or so
[21:39] <TJ-> hexafraction: That message isn't very useful; it doesn't state which Flag is incorrect
[21:39] <Ben64> erkburgles: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:39] <erkburgles> ty
[21:39] <hexafraction> TJ-: It's IPkungfu-generated.
[21:39] <hexafraction> Ben64: <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:39] <hexafraction> (which, I should have probably run a reverse lookup on first)
[21:39] <TJ-> hexafraction: If the DPT remains the same then I'd suspect its reacting to an active session, and there's something wrong with the intrusion detection algorithm
[21:40] <Ben64> definitely serving stuff on 80
[21:40] <hexafraction> TJ-: OK, thanks. I've got to go right now. It's probably not even worth worrying about
[21:41] <erkburgles> telling me permission denied i am trying to send an empty file
[21:42] <TJ-> erkburgles: my bad! try this instead: "sudo pastebinit /var/log/kern.log"
[21:44] <erkburgles> past.ubuntu.com/11806982 sorry the rest of the terminal is obscured by this window
[21:44] <erkburgles> paste*
[21:45] <erkburgles> and / at end of course
[21:46] <erkburgles> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11806982/ im an idiot
[21:47] <lotuspsychje> erkburgles: whats going on? whats your issue exactly?
[21:47] <TJ-> erkburgles: lines 4058-59 seem to indicate how the touchpad is being detected... it may be it is detected as the wrong kind of device, but that's something we can research further
[21:47] <erkburgles> no trackpad functionality
[21:48] <smygIG> Hello. Have an dns server. when i access webpage by ip (wan) it works. But by http adress (wan) it dosent work. If i try by lan it works both ip and http. Port 53 and 80 is open.
[21:48] <erkburgles> hmm ok what can i do for further research here
[21:48] <TenthTARDIS> Is this the right place to ask about email configuration issues on a Ubuntu server?
[21:49] <TJ-> erkburgles: This article seems to confirm my suspicions: http://askubuntu.com/questions/527793/clickpad-not-working-on-dell-inspiron-13-7000-running-ubuntu-14-04
[21:49] <lotuspsychje> TenthTARDIS: the #ubuntu-server guys might be able to help maybe
[21:49] <erkburgles> it is detected, i  ran the cat /dev whatever ls and it gives me the device number for the track
[21:49] <erkburgles> ok
[21:49] <TenthTARDIS> Thanks, lotuspsychje!
[21:49] <erkburgles> what to do
[21:50] <TJ-> erkburgles: In summary, the latest mainline Linux kernels apparently do have the required support
[21:50] <TJ-> !mainline | erkburgles
[21:50] <erkburgles> ty TJ
[21:50] <erkburgles> what do i do
[21:50] <erkburgles> with that url
[21:50] <lotuspsychje> smygIG: perhaps the ##networking guys can help further on your issue
[21:51] <TJ-> erkburgles: Follow the instructions for installing the latest v4.1 mainline kernel build at the URL ubottu gave you
[21:51] <erkburgles> ok thank you
[21:51]  * Upside is away: no internet connection
[21:52] <TJ-> erkburgles: I'd also bookmark both links - the one I gave you to the answer, and ubottu's link to mainline kernel builds, in case you need them again
[21:52] <sopkov> Hi everyone!
[21:52] <lotuspsychje> sopkov: welcome, how can we help you?
[21:52] <erkburgles> i just typed the second url into this text box and copied it
[21:52] <TJ-> erkburgles: Ctrl+D will bookmark a tab in the browser that has focus.
[21:52] <erkburgles> i cant see the first one
[21:52] <TJ-> erkburgles: http://askubuntu.com/questions/527793/clickpad-not-working-on-dell-inspiron-13-7000-running-ubuntu-14-04
[21:52] <erkburgles> ok
[21:54] <sopkov> Did some one has experience with upgrading openssh server to 6.7 or 6.8 on 14.04 ?
[21:54] <lotuspsychje> sopkov: its reccomended to use package version of your ubuntu versions
[21:54] <TJ-> erkburgles: Do you have an external mouse (USB/Bluetooth) you can use until the trackpad issue is solved, that would make fixing the issue much easier for you
[21:54] <erkburgles> i do not
[21:55] <lotuspsychje> !latest | sopkov
[21:57] <docmur> I have a headless Ubuntu server running as an iSCSI targett for my Windows machines.  Is there a way to push Desktop Noticiations from the Ubuntu Server to the Windows Desktop so they get a warning
[21:57] <erkburgles> tj, how do i open bookmarks with the keyboard
[21:57] <TJ-> erkburgles: Open them? Are you using Firefox?
[21:57] <sopkov> yes, I know, but 6.6p1 version has a vulnerabilities
[21:57] <lotuspsychje> !info openssh trusty
[21:57] <erkburgles> nvmd i got it
[21:58] <TJ-> erkburgles: For Firefox Ctrl+Shift+O
[21:58] <TJ-> !info openssh-server
[21:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: tnx :p
[21:58] <lotuspsychje> sopkov: trusty has 6.7p1
[21:58] <TJ-> Trusty has v6.6p1
[21:59] <TJ-> Vivid has v6.7p1
[21:59] <lotuspsychje> oh right
[21:59] <lotuspsychje> sopkov: you have url on vulnerable openssh 6.6?
[22:00] <sopkov> >>Version 1:6.7p1-5ubuntu1 (vivid)  this will work on trusty?
[22:00] <TJ-> I doubt there are any outstanding security issues; all issues get fixed in supported releases. See the changelog for specifics: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_6.6p1-2ubuntu2/changelog
[22:01] <erkburgles> tj, do you know which build i would be installing here
[22:01] <sopkov> yes, from TrustWave report
[22:01] <lotuspsychje> sopkov: if you have doubts also ask in #ubuntu-hardened
[22:01] <lotuspsychje> sopkov: url source?
[22:03] <sopkov> http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2014-2653
[22:04] <TJ-> sopkov: Fixed in 1:6.6p1-1)
[22:04] <bekks> sopkov: According to the changelog above, CVE-2014-2653 is fixed.
[22:04] <TJ-> sopkov: Read the changelog I linked you to
[22:05] <TJ-> sopkov: "apt-get changelog openssh-server"
[22:05] <sopkov> thanks
[22:07] <martianlobster1> what is the best way to install citrix?
[22:07] <lotuspsychje> !citrix | martianlobster1
[22:07] <martianlobster1> thanks
[22:11] <jnunbu> gpg. Do the kernels from kernel.ubuntu.com have a public key
[22:11] <warboy_> A noob here. It's the first time I used IRC. Trying to figure out how this works.
[22:12] <lotuspsychje_> !irc | warboy_
[22:12] <TJ-> jnunbu: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds#Verifying_the_mainline_build_binaries
[22:13] <sopkov> test:
[22:13] <jnunbu> Ok thanks reading now
[22:24] <jnunbu> TJ-: Good signature from "Kernel PPA<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:27] <Nikesh> Any ideas about this? I have a vagrant machine running an nginx server with an RoR app. When I browse in Firefox to the app it gives many CORS errors. I have a web.crt that I tried adding to Firefox which specifies *.mydomain.xip.io but it still gives many CORS errors. I have also tried adding this in the nginx configuration
[22:28] <leonic> !idiom
[22:29] <leonic> !languaje
[22:29] <lotuspsychje> LeoDee: can we help you?
[22:29] <lotuspsychje> leonic: can we help you
[22:30] <leonic> canal en espa;ol
[22:30] <lotuspsychje> !es | leonic
[22:30] <leonic> i can undertand ingles but ..
[22:30] <leonic> thanks
[22:34] <leonic> ... hello again
[22:34] <leonic> i want to put at least 3 live distros in a dvd
[22:36] <MonkeyDust> leonic  maybe unetbootin can do that, or MultiSystem
[22:36] <lotuspsychje> leonic: multisystem is nice yeah
[22:37] <MonkeyDust> leonic  try if it can handle dvd instead of usb   http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[22:37] <leonic> i have alredy ubuntu mate
[22:38] <leonic> and black (not suere abut that )any recomendation
[22:38] <MonkeyDust> leonic  ok, the website says it can (should've read first)
[22:40] <FFF> Hi!
[22:40] <FFF> The Radeon HD3470 have good opensource or binary driver?
[22:40] <FFF> I want to buy a T400 and it comes with Radeon HD3470 and the intel igp
[22:41] <FFF> 4500HD
[22:42] <Bashing-om> FFF: Not a good combo, as ATI dropped support for that card,and open source does not cope with hybrid graphics in that situation .
[22:44] <OerHeks> indeed, hd2xxx 3xxx 4xxx
[22:45] <mhortoss> exit
[22:45] <PSGroup19> I would like to find out the root cause of an error. How can I find that out when I am given the log file which has sub execution sets and the corresponding sub outputs?
[22:46] <Ben64> PSGroup19: what error
[22:46] <Bashing-om> FFF: If you can do with out the Intel chip set, and do not game , the radeon driver will perform well .
[22:46] <leonixyz> Hello, running Ubuntu Server 14.04 and trying to make work an init script. It doesn't start automatically at boot, but "sudo service start geoserver" works. It's chmodded +x. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6b29799d50b718b5292f
[22:48] <meLon> When `update-initramfs -uk all` is run, where does it look to determine which kernels it should update?
[22:48] <leonixyz> I need it to start automatically at boot
[22:49] <Guest49731> ty
[22:49] <PSGroup14> I would like to find out the root cause of an error. How can I find that out when I am given the log file which has sub execution sets and the corresponding sub outputs?
[22:49] <Mr777> Hello everyone
[22:49] <Ben64> PSGroup14: what error
[22:49] <Mr777> I am having internet disconnectivity issues with my ubuntu machine
[22:49] <Mr777> After every few minutes it keeps disconnecting
[22:49] <Mr777> This is not happening to anyone else in the whole network
[22:49] <PSGroup14> The error is runtime fail: ... or compilation fail...
[22:50] <Mr777> Is there any way to figure out what can be wrong?
[22:50] <snapdata-> What the hell... aircrack was working just fine yesterday. Today, every time I try to run airmon, it creates a new duplicate interface for my wifi card (as in 2 of them show up in the wifi configuration on the taskbar) and creates a new monX... so for example if I ran airmon-ng start wlan1 3 times, I would have 3 duplicate adapters showing up as wifi cards, all as wlan1, and mon0 mon1 and mon2
[22:50] <k1l> PSGroup14: specific details lead to specific solutions. pastebin the errors
[22:52] <Ben64> PSGroup14: what version of linux are you running
[22:56] <PSGroup14> runtime errorl - file1 - test execution exit 1
[22:57] <PSGroup14> I am running on EL7
[22:57] <Ben64> what is EL7
[22:58] <HoloIRCUser1> Hi, is the channel I can get help with me trying to custom build myself a 16gb of ram Ubuntu super machine?
[22:58] <PSGroup14> enterprise linux 7
[22:58] <tgm4883> PSGroup14: uh, this is Ubuntu support, not Redhat
[22:58] <Ben64> PSGroup14: so find their support channel, this is for Ubuntu only, which you have been told many times before
[22:59] <tgm4883> PSGroup14: or call up support
[22:59] <tgm4883> PSGroup14: or.. use Ubuntu
[22:59] <k1l> PSGroup14: so why on earth are you comming again in #ubuntu when you know that you are not running ubuntu and dont have ubuntu issues? wasnt that made clear the last times you tried it here?
[22:59] <Ben64> HoloIRCUser1: this is for ubuntu support, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic or ##hardware ? i'm in both channels if you need anything
[22:59] <k1l> HoloIRCUser1: ubuntu can handle that amount of ram. that should not be an issue
[23:00] <meLon> PSGroup14: Have you tried #rhel ?
[23:04] <murat> hi girls
[23:20] <leonic> nop multi system does not suport burn to a dvd
[23:23] <al2o3-cr> leonic: what up?
[23:24] <leonic> triying to make a multisystems dvd
[23:28] <ssfdre38> what is the program to allow you to install a fake ubuntu on your guestos
[23:28] <hexafraction> Will the server CD installers preserve an existing /home (not on a separate partition)?
[23:30] <ubuntu853> hexafraction: Not sure, there us a wiki on moving home to a partition if needed.
[23:31] <hexafraction> ubuntu853: Thanks!
[23:31] <ubuntu853> no prob #ubuntu-server might know
[23:31] <hexafraction> Thanks!
[23:33] <OerHeks> ssfdre38, KVM, virtualBox, xen, openstack,vmware, azure..
[23:33] <OerHeks> maybe i missed one
[23:34] <ssfdre38> no not virtuallation but i know there was a way to have the ubuntu core files on your drive and access them via ssh to make edits to make your own os and i did it years ago and im just forgetting what it was called
[23:35] <hexafraction> ssfdre38: You're not talking about a debootstrap chroot, are you?
[23:36] <ssfdre38> that is what i am i just couldn't remember the name
[23:36] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[23:37] <MonkeyDust> ssfdre38  remastersys?
[23:37] <ssfdre38> i knew it was root something and no its chroot
[23:37] <p1l0t> Riddle me this, I have a folder owned by www-data:www-data and I am in the group www-data the permissions are 770 but it says Permission denied I don't have to reboot for this do I?
[23:38] <ssfdre38> p1l0t, did you install any httpd services
[23:38] <sloantothebone_> Hi I'm getting an error msg in the notifications, about packages
[23:38] <p1l0t> ssfdre38: Apache2
[23:38] <ssfdre38> that is why
[23:39] <ssfdre38> apache2 owns that folder
[23:39] <p1l0t> ssfdre38: Yes but I'm in the group, and the permissions are 770
[23:40] <ssfdre38> is it /var/www ?
[23:41] <p1l0t> ssfdre38: no, but those are too
[23:41] <rypervenche> p1l0t: Run "namei -om /path/to/your/folder" please and pastebin it for us.
[23:42] <ssfdre38> its cause when you first install apache2, it sets up all those folders under www-data user and not you so you can change the uid to yours with chown and you will be fine
[23:43] <ssfdre38> you will still might need to edit the apache2.conf file in the /etc/apache2 folder
[23:44] <p1l0t> drwxrwx--- www-data www-data and then the parent folders are root:root but 755
[23:44] <p1l0t> Funny part is I am the one that changed this folder to www-data:www-data
[23:45] <misteriosoyaterr> hola
[23:45] <ssfdre38> its cause its not under your user its under the root:root for /var and /var/www is under www-data so you wont access them
[23:45] <ssfdre38> p1l0t, are you the only user on your ubuntu install
[23:46] <p1l0t> ssfdre38: No, there is another non-sudoer
[23:46] <danielw329> tj: i got it working. thanks
[23:46] <ssfdre38> are you a sudoer on that install
[23:47] <p1l0t> ssfdre38: Yeah I mean I can change it back and forth it's just annoying
[23:48] <ssfdre38> then type this sudo chown user:user -r /var/www and it will be under your control it wont change /var away from root but it will allow you to make changes to /var/www folder and the index.html inside it
[23:51] <p1l0t> ssfdre38: What's the lowercase -r
[23:51] <MonkeyDust> -r means recursive
[23:52] <p1l0t> Oh same as -R
[23:52] <ssfdre38> use -R


[04:39] <Scary_Guy> thanks guys
[04:40] <Scary_Guy> on the side of good news my footswitch came, no more emacs pinky!
[12:27] <waldo323> good morning
[12:29] <notlikethesoup> morning
[12:31] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:31] <cmaloney> How's the morning so far?
[12:33] <notlikethesoup> wrestling with a bug that i spent 8 hours on yesterday and didn't fix, so
[12:33] <notlikethesoup> could be better
[12:33] <notlikethesoup> you?
[13:27] <cmaloney> Trying to sort out Django urlconf and having fun.


 Which card?
[17:54] <JonathanD> NVS 420
[17:54] <JonathanD> I think
[17:54]  * JonathanD confirms
[17:54] <JonathanD> 4200M rather
[17:55] <JonathanD> oddly another but I've been chasing seems to have resolved itself along this ride.
[17:56] <JonathanD> my touchpad no longer re-enables itself every time I reboot/login.
[17:56] <lazypower> Small victory for the win
[17:56] <lazypower> I'm running a 550Ti, With the cards being so radically different i don't think my anecdotal findings will be of much help
[17:56] <JonathanD> It seems I'm not the only one.
[17:57] <JonathanD> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11389152/vga-monitor-wont-work-after-nvidia-driver-update-on-ubuntu-12-04
[17:57] <JonathanD> 295 is pretty old though.
[17:59] <lazypower> yeah, that it is.
[17:59] <lazypower> Several improvements to GPU performance since that release.
[17:59] <JonathanD> I might just try installing it again.
[17:59] <JonathanD> see what happens.
[18:01] <lazypower> Worth a shot.
[18:01] <lazypower> Are you sure it wasn't just loss of config magic?
[18:01] <lazypower> I mean, after enabling i usually have a couple of strange reboots until I get everything setup via nvidia-configuration-manager
[18:02] <JonathanD> lazypower: nah, it never worked.
[18:02] <JonathanD> I just never bothered to look into it til today.
[18:02] <JonathanD> beyond plugging things in and stuff
[18:03] <lazypower> Ok :)
[18:04] <JonathanD> reinstalling it
[18:04] <JonathanD> probably crash again lol
[18:08] <JonathanD> here goes nothing.
[18:09] <JonathanD> now it boots to a black screen \o/
[18:11] <lazypower> mine does that
[18:11] <lazypower> progress
[18:11] <lazypower> lightdm fixes it :P
[18:13] <JonathanD> arg
[18:14] <JonathanD> SUCCESS
[18:14] <JonathanD> 400x300 though
[18:14] <JonathanD> but success.
[18:15] <JonathanD> someone count hte fields on settings->displays for me?
[18:15] <JonathanD> specifically tab stops from resolution to ok or whatever
[18:21] <lazypower> do you need all the fields? Or do you just want the 1280x960 resolution for 1080p?
[18:22] <JonathanD> it's more broken then that I guess.
[18:22] <JonathanD> *sigh*
[18:23] <JonathanD> I'm going to nuke nvidia again and just use the open source driver for now
[18:29] <JonathanD> blah
[18:29] <JonathanD> I'm stuck with potatoscreen
[18:31] <waltman> :(
[18:32] <JonathanD> can I use google docs from curl? :)
[18:32] <waltman> use nc and send the invididual hits back and forth
[18:33] <waltman> s/hits/bits/
[18:33] <JonathanD> seems reasonable
[18:38] <JonathanD> Would anyone like to place bets on what other thing I Break trying to get graphics working?
[18:38] <JonathanD> I'm going to end up reinstalling :/
[18:53] <lazypower> Ugh dont say that
[18:53] <lazypower> we can fix it
[18:53] <JonathanD> I have graphics again.
[18:53] <JonathanD> and dual monitors
[18:53] <JonathanD> but no accel
[18:53] <JonathanD> lol
[18:53] <lazypower> If nothing, my optimism will will it to work
[18:54] <JonathanD> at least I can work now... giving up until tomorrow.
[18:55] <lazypower> JonathanD, are you familiar with PGP keys?
[18:58] <JonathanD> Yes.
[18:58] <JonathanD> ooh
[18:58] <lazypower> I uploaded a public PGP key to keyserver.ubuntu.com but when searching by fingerprint it comes up with no results.
[18:58] <JonathanD> new "feature"
[18:58] <lazypower> A0FB 9052 3499 42D8 DBF5  42CC D5B4 3AD2 BF48 37AF
[18:58] <lazypower> thats the proper format for a signature right?
[19:01] <lazypower> Oh, its in there I was searching by the key fingerprint. My mistake
[19:03] <JonathanD> oops
[19:09] <waltman> coffee++
[20:37] <JonathanD> lazypower: I've determined I didn't actually fix the touchpad issue, I just broke it so badly taht it doesn't work anymore.
[20:37] <JonathanD> Which is fine by me.
[20:44] <lazypower> Well.. again small victories n'at
[21:05] <waltman> n'at?
[21:08] <ssweeny> what's wrong with n'at?
[21:10] <waltman> Nothing in particular, aside from that I don't know what it means...
[21:10] <ssweeny> short for "and that" or "etc"
[21:10] <waltman> it does?
[21:11] <waltman> ah, it appears to be a quaint pittsburghian expression
[21:11] <ssweeny> you misspelled "perfectly acceptable English"
[21:13] <waltman> All I'm saying is that people who say "The car needs washed" have an odd concept of proper English.
[21:13]  * ssweeny doesn't get it
[21:13] <ssweeny> sounds fine to me :)
[21:13] <waltman> Exactly my point!
[21:13] <ssweeny> drives my wife nuts though
[21:13] <ssweeny> (she's from Michigan)
[21:14] <waltman> Most of us on this side of the state add "to be".
[21:14] <ssweeny> we're just more efficient
[21:15] <waltman> This sentence needs verbed.
[21:15] <waltman> I suppose that's what cold and snow and rooting for the Steelahs does to y'uns. :)
[21:16] <lazypower> yinz
[21:16] <lazypower> ;)
[21:16] <waltman> w/e
[21:16] <lazypower> <3
[21:16] <lazypower> And with that I will refrain from texting in irc.


[09:50] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1070 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu27
[12:20] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3115 ../ubiquity.intrepid-beta//debian/ (changelog rules): Disable the introduction page in preparation for the 9.04 Beta.
[12:20] <evand> ...
[12:20] <evand> whoops
[12:39] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3116 jaunty-beta/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[12:39] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[12:39] <CIA-3> ubiquity: 1.36ubuntu4, partman-partitioning 65ubuntu1.
[12:40] <davmor2> evand: I'm going to try a wubi install out this afternoon on vista.  I'll let you know how I get on :)
[12:44] <evand> wonderful, thanks
[12:48] <xivulon> davmor2 hi
[12:49] <davmor2> xivulon: Hello dude :) I'm going for a vista wubi test this afternoon :)
[12:51] <xivulon> good, let me know how it goes! did you find any other bug not in lp?
[12:53] <davmor2> xivulon: not to date no.
[12:54] <xivulon> good
[12:55] <xivulon> did you see if cd extraction work with new code base?
[12:55] <xivulon> cd iso extraction
[12:55] <xivulon> last bug you reported there was due to something else, which should be ok in r105
[12:57] <evand> FWIW, r105 should be on the CDs
[12:57] <xivulon> evand thanks
[12:58] <xivulon> that will have issues with the uninstaller of course, but for the rest should be ok
[12:58] <evand> they all had issues with the uninstaller, no?
[12:58] <evand> by they I mean every new revision from bzr
[12:58] <davmor2> Yes
[12:59] <xivulon> yes, I haven't had much time to work on a patch yet
[12:59] <xivulon> I have tested some code briefly which seems ok will push it after beta
[13:00] <davmor2> evand, xivulon: is it worth just adding it to release notes saying it's being worked on, or not?
[13:01] <xivulon> absolutely
[13:01] <xivulon> quick workaround is to copy the uninstaller on a different directory and run it from there
[13:07] <cjwatson> evand: should bump version to 1.12.0 as well I think
[13:08] <cjwatson> evand: is there anything in bzr right now that needs to go in the beta?
[13:08] <evand> cjwatson: I've already uploaded it.  I was going to bump trunk to 1.12.0, if that's what you mean.
[13:08] <evand> everything in trunk would be nice to have, but is not critical
[13:09] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3118 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/timezone_map.py): Merge Roman's city placement code into the GTK frontend.
[13:33] <CIA-3> ubiquity: evand * r3117 jaunty-beta/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.11.20
[14:13] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1071 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel.cfg debian/changelog): Remove armel orion5x subarchitecture, per the kernel team.
[14:16] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1072 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu28
[15:09] <davmor2> evand: How does wubi get it's name for the user, not the username?
[15:17] <persia> cjwatson, I think I'm not going to try the parallel-edit method anymore.  I seem to make too many mistakes between the two environments.  I'll go back to the regenerate-and-test method :)
[15:17] <evand> davmor2: from the USERNAME environmental variable
[15:18] <evand> or do you mean how does it get what it uses for the full name?
[15:18] <davmor2> evand: No no the username.  The name of the user.
[15:18] <davmor2> full name uyes
[15:19] <evand> right now I believe it just uses the USERNAME environmental variable as well
[15:19] <evand> feel free to file a bug and subscribe me, and I'll look into fixing it
[15:19] <evand> if xivulon doesn't beat me to it
[15:19] <evand> should be fairly straightforward
[15:20] <davmor2> evand: does wubi assume the windows username is you full name.  Because I typed in tester as the username (which is what I use to log in with) but my name is still displayed in fusa as davmor2 which is the username that wubi had selected for me
[15:22] <davmor2> I'll take a screenshot in a second
[15:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3119 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[15:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: Stop setting message attribute in InstallStepError; it isn't used and it
[15:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: generates a deprecation warning with Python 2.6. Similarly, rename
[15:23] <CIA-3> ubiquity: PartedServerError's message attribute to parted_error.
[15:25] <evand> davmor2: yes, see what I said above
[15:25] <davmor2> evand: will do:)
[15:25] <evand> thanks
[15:41] <davmor2> evand: am I doing something daft here.  I moved the un-installer out of the Ubuntu folder started it and I'm getting the same issue as from the cd trying to remove it
[15:42] <evand> davmor2: it should work if you run the uninstaller by running wubi a second time.
[15:42] <evand> if that's not working, I suspect that's a new bug
[16:04] <CIA-3> console-setup: cjwatson * r98 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog config.proto):
[16:04] <CIA-3> console-setup: Raise priority to critical for questions preseeded with a nonexistent
[16:04] <CIA-3> console-setup: code (LP: #328078).
[16:10] <davmor2> wubi ejected cd but then says there is no cd :(
[16:10] <davmor2> I'll bug it after
[17:36] <NCommander> cjwatson, thanks for merging my seed changes for the imx51
[17:37] <cjwatson> np
[17:37] <NCommander> cjwatson, anything I can do to help to get the rest of the imx51 branches merged?
[17:37] <cjwatson> I haven't looked too much yet, but probably not, I'm just waiting for after beta
[19:48] <kirkland> cjwatson: heh, you remember that bug about it being too easy to uninstall ecryptfs (when it's in use)?
[19:48] <kirkland> cjwatson: i just uninstalled mdadm on a raid-running system
[19:48] <kirkland> :-)
[19:59]  * cjwatson grins
[20:00] <davmor2> evand: Now the cd ejects you get wubi.exe there is no disk in the drive. Please insert a disk into drive E:  (cancel) (Try again) (Continue)  :)
[20:01] <superm1> perhaps would it be best to unpack wubi.exe into a temp directory and run instead then?
[21:21] <mark> hi
[21:21] <mark> the ubuntu (server) installer seems to insist on installing the boot loader on (hd0), even though I'm preseeding otherwise
[21:21] <mark> any idea why?
[21:24] <davmor2> evand:  big map is still way out :)  Which you probably still know :)
[21:24] <evand> davmor2: I committed some fixes for that today, but they wont be on a CD until after beta
[21:25] <davmor2> evand: cool it really shows up on the big map :(  I just did an oem install
[21:26] <evand> the points should be in the same position no matter what size the map is
[21:26] <evand> oh, though the oem-config map needs an update
[21:26]  * evand does that now
[21:28] <davmor2> evand: Yay helped make things better :)
[21:28] <evand> :)
[21:28] <CIA-3> oem-config: evand * r637 oem-config/lib/timezone_map.py: More updates to the timezone_map city placement.
[22:39] <CIA-3> partman-target: cjwatson * r753 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[22:39] <CIA-3> partman-target: Rather than pretending that partitions have no longer been formatted
[22:39] <CIA-3> partman-target: after the partitioner is complete, reset their intended state from
[22:39] <CIA-3> partman-target: "format the partition" to "keep and use the existing data". This still
[22:40] <CIA-3> partman-target: solves the original problem reported in Debian bug #256090 while also
[22:40] <CIA-3> partman-target: stopping partitions from being needlessly reformatted if you go back to
[22:40] <CIA-3> partman-target: the partitioner after base system installation and then forward again
[22:53] <CIA-3> partman-target: cjwatson * r754 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[22:53] <CIA-3> partman-target: Don't clear partitions or complain about them not being formatted if
[22:53] <CIA-3> partman-target: they've already been formatted by a previous partitioner run.


[00:03] <barry> cjwatson: nothing special.  i run ubuntu in a fusion vm, so the underlying os is totally stock
[00:03] <barry> cjwatson: but yeah that *is* interesting :)
[00:04] <slangasek> does Ubuntu even see the hardware from within fusion?
[00:04] <slangasek> (hardware/EFI)
[00:04] <kees> hmpf, I can't compile gdb with sbuild.
[00:04]  * kees scratches his head
[00:04] <kees> dpkg-source: error: cannot fstat file ./gdb_7.1.orig.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
[00:04] <kees> why is that "./" instead of ../ ?
[00:05] <slangasek> kees: is that a dpkg-source -x or dpkg-source -b?
[00:05] <barry> slangasek: how can i find out? :)  i doubt it though; vms probably see a bios from fusion.  however, this shouldn't enter into it because it was a host machine boot to cjwatson's test cd
[00:05] <kees> slangasek: not sure how sbuild is calling dpkg-source
[00:05] <slangasek> barry: cat /proc/cpuinfo inside the VM, maybe
[00:05] <slangasek> barry: oh, you did a host machine boot - n/m
[00:06] <slangasek> barry: in that case my questions are irrelevant :)
[00:06] <barry> slangasek: :)
[00:06] <slangasek> kees: well, if it were using dpkg-source to unpack (-x), it could be a bad path in the .dsc
[00:06] <barry> slangasek: but it does see it as an intel core 2 duo T9900 @ 3.06GHz
[00:06] <slangasek> kees: if it's when building the source package (-b), I don't know
[00:06] <kees> slangasek: oh! that alone was enough to remind me about what I think the problem is.
[00:06] <slangasek> kees: ok :)
[00:07] <kees> I think my sbuild wrapper is doing the wrong thing about where it puts the source.
[00:07] <kees> where I use "my" loosely given several other people wrote it too
[00:07] <kees> hm, no
[00:08] <cjwatson> barry: well, if I get a report from an EFI machine that's i386-efi or x86_64-efi (and that isn't my kvm testbed), then that's basic functionality confirmed and I just need to wait to see if I get reports of BIOS machines falling over
[00:08] <cjwatson> I plan to ask for it to be run through the certification lab as well
[00:08] <barry> cjwatson: +1
[00:18] <TheMuso> cjwatson: If I boot that CD and let refit search for it, I get a lot of different options. Haven't looked at what each one is yet. When I boot the CD using teh C key, I get no farther than the "welcome to GRUB" message. I'll email you with more details when I test more.
[00:21]  * barry -> away
[00:31]  * kees kicks sbuild
[00:32] <CynthiaG> What should I do if a package has unit tests that "succeeded" before, but now "fails" because of a fix that made things more true to a spec?
[00:32] <CynthiaG> If that question is no good here, and depends on the package in question, please say so instead :)
[00:32] <kees> CynthiaG: i'd say is depends on the spec, the package, and the test.  :)
[00:33] <CynthiaG> kees: SVG, librsvg, all unit tests :\
[00:34] <kees> CynthiaG: ah, in that case, I'd bring it to the attention of the upstream librsvg folks, since it sounds like the tests need fixing if you made it more strict to SVG, etc
[00:34] <CynthiaG> sounds like a plan
[00:44] <SpamapS> micahg: ping!
[00:44] <micahg> SpamapS: pong
[00:44] <SpamapS> micahg: do you have a moment to discuss couchdb?
[00:45] <micahg> SpamapS: sure
[00:45] <SpamapS> micahg: I'm working on merging 0.11.0-1 .. but this seems to be breaking the build: sed -i s,$(LIB)$$,$(LIB)/$(DEB_UPSTREAM_VERSION), configure
[00:45] <SpamapS> micahg: I'm not sure why, but it causes an issue with AC_CHECK_CURL
[00:46] <micahg> SpamapS: can you pastebin the error?
[00:46] <SpamapS> micahg: standby
[00:47] <SpamapS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/446894/
[00:49] <SpamapS> micahg: if I remove the sed line, and re-run, it fails later (on the js library configuration, which makes sense).
[00:53] <micahg> SpamapS: I'm not sure
[00:53] <blue_anna> how can I get around dependency issues from having too recent of a version of a package (off of launchpad)
[00:53] <blue_anna>   libxmu-dev: Depends: libxmu-headers (= 2:1.0.5-1) but 2:1.0.5+git20100604.af962b3b-0ubuntu0sarvatt~lucid is to be installed
[00:54] <SpamapS> micahg: what is that sed line meant to do? Is there no way to fix that problem w/ LD_LIBRARY_PATH or a configure option?
[00:55] <micahg> SpamapS: I'm not sure, it was there in the last version
[00:56] <micahg> SpamapS: it seems to set up a specialized versioned path for the compiler
[00:57] <SpamapS> micahg: ok well I must have done something weird because I backed up a bit and now I can't reproduce that problem
[00:58] <SpamapS> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: couldn't find library libmozjs.so needed by debian/couchdb-bin/usr/lib/couchdb/bin/couchjs (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '').
[00:58] <SpamapS> now I'm getting that one
[00:58] <micahg> SpamapS: k, just a note, BTW, better to do a versioned xulrunner-1.9.2 GRE check in rules
[00:58] <micahg> SpamapS: that's normal
[00:59] <SpamapS> micahg: rules has been carried forward so should still be doing everything from before
[00:59]  * micahg might have forgotten it :)
[01:00] <micahg> SpamapS: ^^
[01:01] <SpamapS> xulrunner_gre_version := $(shell xulrunner --gre-version)
[01:01] <SpamapS> xulrunner_dep = xulrunner-$(shell echo $(xulrunner_gre_version) | cut -f1-3 -d.)
[01:02] <micahg> SpamapS: right, so the first line should be xulrunner_gre_version := $(shell xulrunner-1.9.2 --gre-version)
[01:05] <SpamapS> aha.. the AC_CHECK_CURL thing is back.. argh
[01:05] <SpamapS> something to do with aclocal.m4
[01:05]  * SpamapS 's heads start to spin when autoconf lets its magic smoke out
[01:05]  * SpamapS has two heads, yes. ;)
[01:11] <SpamapS> micahg: thanks for your help, I'll keep digging
[01:12] <micahg> SpamapS: no problem, feel free to ping me if I can help
[02:56] <artfwo> Hi! Would anyone care to sponsor bug 591528 (main)?
[03:57] <RAOF> How do I get to attach gdb to compiz now that our security overlords have restricted ptrace?  Things I've tried which don't work: running “sudo gdb compiz”, and “echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope.
[04:00] <lifeless> RAOF: see pitti's announcement
[04:00] <lifeless> RAOF: there is a sysctl you can set
[04:00] <lifeless> which he documented
[04:02] <RAOF> Ok.  Re-reading that, i'm setting the sysctl to 0, and it's still not working.
[04:06] <RAOF> Debugging compositors sucks.
[04:11] <lifeless> RAOF: perhaps you need to set it to zero before anything starts up ?
[04:11] <lifeless> it might be a process flag?
[04:11] <lifeless> total speculation
[04:12] <RAOF> Possibly it's inherited by children, so you need to set it before logging in.
[04:14] <lifeless> yes
[04:14] <lifeless> thts what I'm saying
[04:14] <lifeless> so you want it in sysctl.d
[04:14] <RAOF> I've set it there, so I'll see next time I log in.
[04:15] <RAOF> I've got a usable backtrace by more devious methods anyway.
[04:23] <lifeless> oh?
[04:25] <RAOF> Well, the not terribly devious method of starting compiz under gdb and queuing up commands to run, of which the final one is “let it actually die and start metacity”
[05:44] <kees> RAOF: "echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope" will disable the ptrace protection, so if you're hitting something else that's a different problem.  what is the error you're seeing?
[05:44] <kees> lifeless: and which announcement by pitti?
[05:44] <RAOF> kees: ptrace: operation not supported.
[05:44] <RAOF> Bah, sorry.    Now I'm surprised.  That works now!
[05:45] <kees> setting the sysctl in /proc should immediately revert the behavior.
[05:46] <kees> RAOF: either "sudo gdb ..." or setting the sysctl should do it.
[05:48] <RAOF> Hm, no it still doesn't work.  It works in the same VT as where I started compiz, but switching to VT1 gives operation not permitted, even with sudo gdb
[05:49] <kees> what's the command exactly you're using?
[05:50] <kees> (vt really should not matter)
[05:50] <kees> are you restarting procps possibly?  is /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope remaining 0 ?
[05:53] <kees> RAOF: this works for me...
[05:54] <kees> "pidof compiz" then "sudo gdb" then "attach PID" where PID is whatever pidof returned.
[05:56] <kees> even tried different vts etc
[05:56]  * kees has to hit the sack.  email me if you learn anything more.
[06:00] <RAOF> Sleep well.
[07:44] <pitti> Good morning
[07:44] <jussi> Morning Martin!
[07:45] <pitti> RAOF, lifeless: ptrace> rather kees' announcement, I figure? :-)
[07:46] <pitti> RAOF: sudo gdb doesn't work ?!?
[07:48] <RAOF> pitti: It didn't when I was trying it, but now it seems to work.
[07:48] <RAOF> I'm not sure what was happening.
[07:50] <RAOF> And I think I'll need a debug build of mesa to track the segfault down, anyway.  The optimisations appear to be doing strange things (like optimising out statements that would cause a null pointer dereference).
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[07:57] <mvo> hey dholbach
[07:59] <dholbach> hey mvo
[08:30] <cjwatson> could an ubuntu-mir member have a look over bug 582189, please?  I'm approaching being blocked on a new grub2 package
[08:38] <pitti> superm1: wrt. bug 550288 and bug 444420, would it make sense to combine the rule to match KERNEL=="hiddev*|hidraw*", to cover both cases?
[08:38] <pitti> superm1: or does it wreak havoc to apply it to the respective other device?
[08:42] <superm1> pitti, unfortunately I don't have any of that logitech hardware to be able to verify myself
[08:42] <superm1> so i'm not sure what happens if you use the other device in that scenario
[08:43] <pitti> superm1: I asked in the bug for testing; I just wondered whether you'd know in general
[08:44] <superm1> pitti, ah, no, not so sure, sorry
[08:59] <jo-erlend> I'm exploring Quickly and I have some questions about it. Something tells me this might not be the proper channel for it, but what is?
[09:01] <dholbach> jo-erlend: you could try #ubuntu-app-devel or #ubuntu-desktop
[09:03] <jo-erlend> thanks. :)
[09:15] <cjwatson> hm, another new kernel ABI, and I'd only almost got rid of 2.6.34-5 from the archive ...
[09:34] <danigm> hello, I need to update ubuntu poppler package to upstream, what's the correct way to make that with launchpad?
[09:34] <seb128> danigm, what do you mean there?
[09:35] <seb128> danigm, you want to package a new version for maverick or for yourself?
[09:35] <seb128> danigm, which version?
[09:35] <danigm> both
[09:35] <danigm> 0.14
[09:35] <danigm> I want to package 0.14 for maverick and then I have a "unofficial" patch to add to my own package
[09:36] <danigm> and then make a backport for guadalinexV6 (ubuntu jaunty)
[09:36] <danigm> I see that there is a lp:ubuntu/poppler and a lp:poppler
[09:37] <seb128> danigm, you can get the new poppler without new cairo
[09:37] <seb128> danigm, lp:poppler is an upstream import
[09:37] <seb128> danigm, lp:ubuntu/poppler is the ubuntu package, you want to use that to base your changes
[09:37] <danigm> seb128: yep, and there's my question, what's the correct way to merge the package and the upstream?
[09:38] <seb128> danigm, we don't want cairo 1.9 though
[09:38] <seb128> danigm, so no new poppler for now
[09:39] <seb128> danigm, I'm not sure about autoimports, I usually apt-get source poppler to work on it and copy the debian dir over to the new tarball
[09:39] <seb128> danigm, then dch -v version and work there
[09:39] <danigm> seb128: ah, ok
[09:40] <danigm> seb128: then that's what I'll do
[09:40] <seb128> you can probably bzr merge-upstream tarball in the import
[09:40] <seb128> danigm, but as said don't bother for maverick the poppler update require an unstable cairo
[09:40] <seb128> danigm, and cairo is stalling for a while, they should have got 1.9 stable in january and it didn't move since
[11:48]  * ogra wonders if Keybuk is on vacation
[11:50] <seb128> ogra: you have access to a calendar with those infos
[11:50] <seb128> ogra: the said calendar says he is
[11:50] <ogra> i do ?
[11:52] <cjwatson> pitti: random thought - would it be worth looking at generating /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive?  it takes the syscall count of executing a trivial program (/bin/true) from 100 to 34
[11:52] <pitti> cjwatson: I think we can; it'll increase the time to build/remove locales, but that's rather insignificant
[11:53] <pitti> cjwatson: I actually did some boot charts with locale-archive, but I didn't get any measurable difference
[11:53] <cjwatson> locale build time is a bit of a concern on low-memory systems because localedef is so memory-hungry
[11:53] <pitti> shoudl just be a matter of setting ARCHIVE=yes in /usr/sbin/locale-gen
[11:54] <cjwatson> what sort of increase are we talking about?  just running 'localedef --add-to-archive /usr/lib/locale/*' doesn't seem to take too long here
[11:54] <pitti> and cleaning up the unarchived ones in postinst
[11:54] <cjwatson> I was wondering if there were compatibility implications; I seem to recall the odd bug when the broken-out dirs were missing
[11:54] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, good; removing a locale used to require rebuilding all other ones, but as I said that should not be a common use case
[11:55] <pitti> cjwatson: I have that running in a VM for some days, but I didn't test it extensively; just standard desktop bits
[11:55] <pitti> cjwatson: so perhaps we should switch it early in maverick for testing?
[11:55] <cjwatson> --delete-from-archive seems to take negligible time
[11:56] <pitti> cool
[11:56] <pitti> seems that didn't exist back then (in belocs age)
[11:56] <cjwatson> I suspect it doesn't make a huge boot difference because everything is LANG=C
[11:56] <cjwatson> it's only once you reach a session that it starts making any difference at all
[11:56] <pitti> the desktop bits do use the locale, though
[11:56] <pitti> right
[11:57] <pitti> and I didn't notice any difference there
[11:57] <cjwatson> should we have *only* locale-archive, or the broken-out dirs as well?
[11:57] <pitti> but still, it's fewer syscalls
[11:57] <pitti> cjwatson: they do take a nontrivial amount of space, so I'd vote for either-or, not both
[11:57] <pitti> Debian has used locale-archive only forever, I think
[11:58] <pitti> (and Fedora, too)
[12:00] <cjwatson> ok, if you're comfortable with either-or then I am too
[12:01] <cjwatson> shall I file a bug somewhere?
[12:06] <pitti> cjwatson: against langpack-locales, I guess
[12:07] <cjwatson> shall I just paste this conversation?
[12:07] <pitti> sure
[12:07] <pitti> I don't know whether I'll have time to implement logic to use --delete-from-archive (since I only have limited time this cycle), but using archive in general sounds easy
[12:08] <cjwatson> done, bug 591676
[12:08] <cjwatson> if you need me to do part of it then feel free to lob it over
[12:09] <pitti> ok, thanks
[12:41] <didrocks> cjwatson: hey, did you apply the same changes from the desktop seed to the netbook seed (seeing one of your commit on 2010-06-01) or should I check?
[12:44] <cjwatson> didrocks: I don't remember - probably best to check
[12:44] <didrocks> cjwatson: ok, thanks, I will :)
[12:51] <ItalicBold> hi all, I heard sysv init is being replaced by another method in the future with ubuntu, can anyone advise what this is so i can look it up further?
[12:53] <stanley_robertso> hi all
[12:53] <stanley_robertso> iam new to this ubuntu stuff and going through the ubuntu wiki page
[12:53] <stanley_robertso> Want to contribute as a developer.... Any suggestions/pointers in that direction would be of great help
[12:54] <micahg> stanley_robertso: have you seen this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/
[13:02] <apw> ItalicBold, that sounds like upstart
[13:13] <ItalicBold> apw: ta
[13:26] <stanley_robertso> yes micahg .. iwent through it.. but could not get a sgtarting point
[13:27] <stanley_robertso> *starting
[13:29] <didrocks> pitti: can I refresh a lucid metapackage from a maverick machine? Don't know how germinate works on that kind of setup
[13:36] <micahg> stanley_robertso: you can fix bugs and/or work on build failures
[13:37] <pitti> didrocks: sure, it downloads everything it needs by itself
[13:38] <pitti> didrocks: there's a .cfg file which defines the release
[13:38] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I was wondering about checking packages that are in main and so on depending on the apt cache, but it's done in a smart way, sweet :)
[13:38] <didrocks> pitti: thanks
[13:39] <pitti> didrocks: yes, it downloads all seed branches and Packages.gz indexes by itself
[13:40] <didrocks> pitti: that seems… way safer than relying on something local, thanks for the anwser, better to ask before regretting :-)
[13:47]  * popey wonders if cjwatson could please let my mail to ubuntu-devel mailing list through
[14:39] <pitti> didrocks: why do we need bug 588723 in netbook-meta as well? the bug just talks about ubuntu
[14:40] <didrocks> pitti: it's already fixed in ubuntu-meta, I guess the report was for netbook-meta
[14:40] <didrocks> changing affected package
[14:40] <pitti> ah, indeed; but still, pointing out why it's necessary for netbook would be nice
[14:41] <pitti> or giving a test case why/where the current one looks bad
[14:41] <pitti> didrocks: mind that the first point release will need to fit into a CD image again
[14:41] <didrocks> pitti: it's ccheney who pinged about this issue, I think he's more aware about a real testcase than I
[14:41] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I'll have a look at CD size then, that's why I'm doing that now
[14:42] <didrocks> ccheney: if you can provide a testcase, that will be good
[14:43] <cjwatson> popey: done
[14:47] <popey> cjwatson: thanks
[15:15] <didrocks> pitti: I'll soon have a document using a New Times Roman font for testing if the ttf-liberation font is rendering it better than the default. If you do an apt-cache show ttf-liberation, you will see that this package is included in almost all seed already
[15:31] <pitti> didrocks: right, noted
[15:39] <didrocks> pitti: ok, added a testcase
[15:52] <mpt> kees, hi
[15:53] <kees> hello mpt
[15:54] <mpt> kees, that grep of the archive you did for gtk_status_icon, could you please do the same for use of either KSystemTrayIcon or QSystemTrayIcon?
[15:54] <mpt> kees, I guess you could make it much quicker by looking only in packages that depend on Qt
[15:55] <kees> mpt: sure; which packae specifically would indicate a qt dep?
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> kees: libqtgui4, since qsystemtrayicon is in the QtGui module
[15:58] <mpt> kees, either libqtgui4 or kdelibs5 [sic]
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> ^in maverick kdelibs5 was split up, and the appropriate kde library is now libkdeui5
[16:00] <seb128> kees, so it's SystemTrayIcon in rdepends for libkdeui5 and libqtgui4 I guess
[16:00] <kees> JontheEchidna, mpt: cool. i'll get it kicked off
[16:00] <seb128> kees, thanks
[16:00] <mpt> thanks kees
[16:00] <kees> seb128: no problem
[16:04] <mpt> and thanks JontheEchidna :-)
[16:07] <JontheEchidna> yup, no prob
[16:19] <agutierr> hello, someone usings 10.04 preseeds?
[16:20] <agutierr> Is there any way to see packages sources during ubuntu install (on busybox)?
[16:34] <ccheney> didrocks: hi
[16:34] <didrocks> ccheney: hey
[16:35] <didrocks> ccheney: I've added info on the bug report concerning the ttf-liberation font, do not hesitate to correct it :)
[16:35] <ccheney> didrocks: ok will take a look
[16:35] <didrocks> ccheney: thanks
[16:36] <ccheney> didrocks: yea your comment looks correct
[16:36] <didrocks> ccheney: sweet, thanks
[16:37] <ccheney> didrocks: i think this would occur with pdf viewing as well, so not just in the OOo case
[16:37] <ccheney> didrocks: at least for pdf's where the fonts aren't embedded
[16:37] <didrocks> ccheney: can you add a comment about that?
[16:39] <ccheney> didrocks: ok just followed up
[16:40] <didrocks> ccheney: seems fine, thanks
[16:40] <nigelb> Is there a way to know if a package has an apport hook without installing or looking into the source?
[16:40] <pitti> nigelb: check file list on packages.u.c.?
[16:41] <nigelb> pitti: err file list? or dependency list?
[16:41] <pitti> nigelb: file list (/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/*)
[16:41] <pitti> it's got nothing to do with dependencies
[16:43] <nigelb> pitti: I'll tell you my problem.  I hvae a list of 1000 packages in descending order of number of bugs filed, I have to filter them for pckages wihtout apport hook so I can lead an activity on writing the hooks.  Any easy way to do the entire thing in one go?
[16:43] <nigelb> (number of bugs filed for each month - I have data for 2 months)
[16:44] <pitti> nigelb: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/Contents-i386.gz is your friend, I think
[16:44] <pitti> you can grep it for ^usr/share/apport-package-hooks/.*/$PKGNAME$
[16:45] <nigelb> oh, yay!
[16:45] <pitti> nigelb: caveat: those are binary package names, not source
[16:45] <pitti> but with some grep-dctrl magic this is easy to map
[16:46] <nigelb> pitti: ok, I'm going to have to do a lot of work, but still worth if you ask me.  Better than apt-get x1000
[16:46] <nigelb> Thank You!
[16:47] <pitti> yep, Contents.gz gets the heavy lifting
[16:47] <pitti> nigelb: I'd suggest to write a script which wgets contents.gz and all Packages.gz, and iterate over all Package: to check if it's got an apport hook
[16:48] <pitti> nigelb: then this can spit out a list of packages without hooks, and you could even cron that somewhere
[16:48] <pitti> nigelb: but you certainly don't want to look at 1000 packages?
[16:48] <jpds> I suggest downloading said files off the user's mirror in sources.list to balance out the load.
[16:49] <pitti> seems like adding sensible and well thought-out package hooks to the top ten is better than adding minimal ones to 50 just to make the stats look better?
[16:49] <nigelb> pitti: I'm not sure how to go about all that you've said, but one step at a time.  when I get stuck I'll ask here.  I'm sure someone will know
[16:49] <nigelb> Yes, I'll probably only look at ones with 30+ bugs
[16:49]  * pitti dinner &
[16:50] <SpamapS> anybody know what the policy would be on a package that contains a sources.list.d file pointing to a set of "blessed" PPA's? Would such a thing ever be acceptable in main?
[16:50] <nigelb> oh, wait.  I have to hug brian.  He got it sorted on the list he gave me :)
[16:54] <ScottK> SpamapS: No.
[16:54] <ScottK> SpamapS: Such a thing did get through once and it got reverted before release.
[16:56] <SpamapS> ScottK: how are the updates to things like mozilla being done?
[16:57] <ScottK> SpamapS: In the normal -updates or -security pockets.
[16:57] <SpamapS> ScottK: ah. We're trying to figure out how to keep up with projects like Cassandra and Hadoop on the server side, where the upstreams are releasing and deprecating old releases faster than 6 months.
[16:58] <ScottK> SpamapS: You need an exception from the tech board for this.
[16:58] <cjwatson> mvo: would it be useful for --print-uris to print URIs useful for other applications, rather than mirror:// URIs which can only be understood by apt?
[16:59] <SpamapS> ScottK: yeah I think we're trying to make sure we gather enough information to ask for something reasonable once we know what we want. :)
[16:59] <mvo> cjwatson: yes, absolutely
[17:00] <cjwatson> want a bug?
[17:00] <mvo> a bug is fine, otherwise I will just make a note
[17:05] <ScottK> SpamapS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClamavUpdates is an example of one that got approved.
[17:08] <SpamapS> ScottK: That makes sense. :) I'm hesitant to relate this issue to clamav though. For instance, Cassandra (a distributed database engine) releases binaries at almost the same clip (4-6 times per year), the software itself is far less useful for most users.. so I am not sure its worth as much attention as clamav warrants.
[17:09] <SpamapS> s/binaries/major releases/
[17:09] <ScottK> SpamapS: You'd have to have your own rationale.
[17:09] <ScottK> I provide the example to give you an idea of the type of documentation needed.
[17:09] <ScottK> Particularly the issues around package qualification and testing.
[17:10] <SpamapS> ScottK: at this point, I think its just going to have to be a team-hosted PPA that people can trust.
[17:10] <SpamapS> ScottK: I really do appreciate the example. :)
[18:09] <kees> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~kees/search-qt-systemtray.txt
[18:09] <seb128> jcastro, ^
[18:09] <seb128> kees, thanks!
[18:09] <kees> seb128: welcome!
[18:09] <kees> 108 hits fwiw
[18:12] <jcastro> ta!
[18:26] <kees> where do the stdout and stderr of upstart jobs go?
[18:32] <cjwatson> kees: man 5 init /console
[18:33] <cjwatson> (so by default, /dev/null)
[18:33] <kees> cjwatson: well that's kinda suboptimal.  it should go somewhere in /var/log
[18:33] <cjwatson> plymouth, perhaps
[18:34] <kees> plymouth stops running after a certain point.
[18:35] <cjwatson> mm
[18:35] <cjwatson> still, it should tie into that while plymouth is running
[18:37] <kees> sure, that's fine by me, but I'd like to be able to find my stdout/stderr somewhere.  perhaps if I run "start" from a command line it could go there...
[18:58] <saycheeze> any of you guys not AFK? haha
[19:01] <saycheeze> damn, guess not
[19:02] <CynthiaG> saycheeze: hi
[19:02] <saycheeze> ahh Hi, Cynthia! How are you?
[19:02] <CynthiaG> If you have a question to ask, don't ask if you can ask it; just do :)
[19:02] <saycheeze> haha Well I do!
[19:02] <saycheeze> This thread I posted yesterday pretty much sums it up.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9432432&postcount=1
[19:03] <CynthiaG> not so bad, not so good; I'm trying to understand what "make a unit test, but don't make a test file" means, for a program that has image rendering as its test
[19:03] <saycheeze> I just wanted to get some answers straight for the source
[19:03] <saycheeze> haha I hear ya. Well, at least you're alive I guess! :)
[19:04] <Chipzz> saycheeze: /join #ubuntu-server I would say
[19:04] <CynthiaG> well, I'm not a real Ubuntu developer, like a core developer, so I can't answer your calling out about your experience
[19:05] <saycheeze> Thanks guys. I've read through the Wiki stuff but I'm wanting to actually talk it out with someone
[19:05] <Chipzz> kees: I wonder if having it go to a file even makes sense (in a way)
[19:05] <saycheeze> I'll stick around here but I'm about to join the server channel as well
[19:06] <Chipzz> kees: since upstart jobs run in parallel, you would need some kind of mechanism to order the output
[19:06] <CynthiaG> however, what you can do is hang out around here and answer requests for packaging, handle bugs with patches available to review on Launchpad (those bugs have patch files in them, or the tag 'patch'), have several USB drives and CD-Rewritables ready for testing ISOs and USB images of Ubuntu builds, have a few computers ready or one beefy computer + VMs to test bugs
[19:07] <Chipzz> or you might end up with half lines of process' A output intermangled with lines of process' B output
[19:07] <saycheeze> Ahh gotcha. Yep, I've got a few PCs I can use and VMWare running on 3 boxes so that shouldn't be an issue
[19:07] <CynthiaG> Some bugs are hardware-specific, like the Broadcom wireless bugs and modemmanager + Huawei modems cropping up recently, so you might not be able to test everything, but that's what the rest of the community is for
[19:08] <saycheeze> Yeah, I gotcha. Alright, well that's a good start! haha
[19:13] <ogasawara> superm1: wanted to get your comments on a kernel patch of yours we've been carrying.  do you prefer I use your @dell.com or @ubuntu.com email address?
[19:14] <superm1> ogasawara, i have a feeling i know what patch you're referring to, @dell.com is better
[19:14] <CynthiaG> [me @ saycheeze]+  You also said you would need to get up to speed on open source development; here are some tools you need: 'patch' (man patch, look at tutorials of the patch tool), 'bzr' (#bzr, #launchpad on this network), 'git', 'svn', a text editor (you should be familiar with that), and getting familiar with how bug trackers work, Ubuntu being based on Debian you'll need to know how to forward bugs to Debian etc. And finally there's #ubuntu-packag
[19:14] <CynthiaG> ing
[19:14] <CynthiaG> + sorry, truncated. #ubuntu-packaging
[19:15] <smoser> james_w, or anyone, have an idea how i could convert something (cloud-init) that was not a native package into a native package ?
[19:16] <saycheeze> Ahh gotcha. Yep, I went ahead and grabbed everything yesterday. Thanks! I'm just trying to figure out where to start after that, ya know?
[19:18] <ScottK> smoser: What are you trying to do that?
[19:18] <CynthiaG> Start by triaging bugs on Launchpad, testing them out, seeing if they occur on your systems, trying to find out why. The natural next step will be to delve into the code to see what's doing it. While you may not be able to change the code like you want at first, you'll get valuable experience in reading others' code. Then you can package patches, and finally be a coder yourself. The steps in-between are kinda cloudy to me. :)
[19:18] <smoser> ScottK, because i'm the upstream developer and I don't see a lot of value in maintaining a release tarballs and separate debian packaging branch.
[19:19] <saycheeze> Haha It's all a bit cloudy to me ATM, but I think it's starting to get a little bit clearer
[19:19] <ScottK> smoser: So every time you change something in the packaging you're good with doing a new upstream release?
[19:19] <kees> Chipzz: right, that's what plymouth should be doing.  but without plymouth, it should still go *somewhere*
[19:19] <kees> I will bug Keybuk about it :)
[19:21] <saycheeze> I'm going to check out the documentation and everything one more time, I'll stop back by in a bit. Thanks for the help Cynthia.
[19:21] <smoser> ScottK, i'm not sure i understand.  I basically dont see a reason to make upstream releases. at this point the package is sufficiently ubuntu specific (dependent on certain boot characteristics).
[19:21] <CynthiaG> You're welcome, and thanks in advance for the help you're going to be providing to Ubuntu :)
[19:23] <ScottK> smoser: With a native package there's no distinction between upstream and Ubuntu releases, whereas with non-native you can have revisions of upstream releases separately.  Unless the package will only ever be useful on Ubuntu, it's probably better to leave it non-native.
[19:23] <saycheeze> My pleasure!
[19:23] <ScottK> If you want to make it native, make a new version with no "-" in the version number.
[19:30] <smoser> i'm generally aware of what a native package is. i was only wondering if there was any bzr magic that i would have to revert due to previous use of merge-upstream
[19:32] <ScottK> No idea about the bzr implications.
[19:32] <ScottK> For the packaging bit, you just need to not have a dash in the version.
[21:10] <kees> oh, neat.  "dpkg-dev provides a new script called dpkg-mergechangelogs"
[21:11] <kees> double-neat.  "dpkg-dev provides a new script called dpkg-buildflags"
[22:35] <slangasek> kees: yep, now we just need dpkg-mergechangelogs integrated into bzr-builddeb :)
[22:37] <ajmitch> it certainly helps in doing those merges without using bzr
[22:43] <jcolei64> lamont: hello sir... im looking for a packages.ubuntu.com for ia64.. does that exist?
[22:43] <offy> I'm working on modifying gnome-terminal 2.3 but I can't find where the username@host file is
[22:45] <CynthiaG> offy: you mean the file in which the prompt is set to username@host? the file defining the username? or the file defining the host?
[22:45] <offy> prompt
[22:45] <cjwatson> jcolei64: there's a contact address at the bottom of http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[22:45] <CynthiaG> offy: that's in .bashrc, the line setting PS1=
[22:46] <cjwatson> or /etc/profile
[22:46] <CynthiaG> or you may want to look in the process' environment from within gnome-terminal and grab the value of PS1
[22:46] <CynthiaG> but I don't know about how reliable that is
[22:47] <offy> well, i'm trying to add a string to display infront of the prompt
[22:48] <offy> oh, .bashrc can do that
[22:48] <offy> Thank you
[22:49] <jcolei64> cjwatson: well, im looking to see if ubuntu ports has a searchable package database via web (similar to packages.ubuntu.com)
[22:51] <cjwatson> jcolei64: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[22:51] <cjwatson> not the same interface, but it should have pretty much all the information, aside from maybe Contents files searching
[22:51] <cjwatson> jcolei64: anyway, what I'm saying is that if you want packages.ubuntu.com to work for ports, it's probably just a matter of mailing the contact address at the bottom of its front page
[22:55] <jcolei64> cjwatson: thanks.. for example, im looking to see which ubuntu releases have qemu for ia64 (and the qemu versions)
[23:23] <olmari> hello... I know mine opinion won't propably weigh much but I'd still like to say...
[23:24] <olmari> that please, no CSD... that's in essential
[23:25] <olmari> instead focus on improving window decorator and/or manager to make it happend what is meant to be done with CSD
[23:25] <olmari> this is just an (advanced??) user opinion, but still...
[23:27] <olmari> afaik CSD isn't something that REALLY would be the answer.. it's rather circumventing the issues of GTK and/or rest of the subsystem flaws...
[23:30] <olmari> now otherwise I am not by any means undermining general ubuntu development, but with Client Side Decoration I really think it's not right direction
[23:40] <olmari> so... please take a note from mine humble opinion too :)
[23:43] <CynthiaG> I'm not really an Ubuntu dev, but I can see the bad things that having each application draw its own decorations would give. Mainly, each application developer would be reinventing the wheel, possibly hindering localisation (by e.g. not supporting multi-byte characters or UTF-8 in the decorations) along the way
[23:47] <olmari> CynthiaG: indeed... and more generally, I think CSD would be circumventing flaws of backend by bad way..
[23:48] <gord> CynthiaG, thats not how CSD works. all the decoration drawing is still handled globally, but instead of metacity or compiz or mutter drawing the window decoration, its drawn in the gtk window
[23:48] <CynthiaG> I thought CSD was akin to how programs in Windows can draw their own title bar if they're not happy with what Windows gives them
[23:48] <olmari> gord: but is it still a GOOD way to do things?
[23:49] <gord> CynthiaG, they can if they want, chromium will prolly end up doing that. but 99.9999% of apps won't
[23:49] <CynthiaG> gord, true
[23:50] <gord> olmari, yup, it is :) lots of benefits and it lets window managers concentrate on what they should be doing, ala: managing the windows. rather than having to do trivial things like draw pretty things on the screen
[23:50] <james_w> smoser: you can set the config to be explicit that it is native.
[23:50] <james_w> echo -e '[BUILDDEB]\nnative = True' > .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[23:51] <olmari> gord: but does it work on every "place"?
[23:54] <gord> no new tech works flawlessly from the get-go olmari, that is why bug reports and patches are so vital. there is a lot of time left to get it right
[23:55] <olmari> gord: I'm still not sure that CSD is the real way to go... but I'm all in for 'turnaround' :p


[07:45] <magespawn> Howdy all.
[09:36] <Kilos> morning all
[09:59] <Kilos> lo bak
[09:59] <Kilos> eish
[09:59] <Kilos> lo bakuman
[10:10] <DraZoro> Hello People
[10:10] <Kilos> hi DraZoro
[10:10] <DraZoro> Hello Kilos
[10:11] <zeref> huuuurrrmmm
[10:11] <DraZoro> I have just gained interest on animation :) Started to use Blender
[10:11] <zeref> hey peeps
[10:12] <Kilos> hi zeref
[10:12] <Kilos> thats nice DraZoro  it was too involved for me
[10:12] <DraZoro> Hello zeref
[10:13] <DraZoro> Kilos: I always liked art but I have to agree Blender has a lot of tools.
[10:13] <Kilos> there is a blender channel too on irc
[10:14] <DraZoro> Yeah
[10:16] <DraZoro> Kilos: So channels are closed like blenderqa
[10:17] <Kilos> hey?
[10:17] <DraZoro> I mean #blenderqa was one of Blender channels according to the list I have
[10:18] <Kilos> just go /j #blender
[10:18] <Kilos> they have another kinda chat channel but i forget what it was called
[10:19] <Kilos> qa must be the question answer channel
[10:19] <DraZoro> Now I am exploring #blenderchat
[10:41] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[10:41] <Kilos> hey magespawn where you been
[10:42] <Kilos> all ok there
[10:42] <DraZoro> Hello magespawn
[10:42] <magespawn> Working where else?
[10:42] <magespawn> Hi DraZoro
[10:42] <Kilos> working without irc sucks
[10:43] <magespawn> Been driving a fair amount and other computer work as well.
[10:43] <Kilos> ah
[10:43] <Kilos> long as you visit now and again i suppose we can survive
[10:45] <magespawn> Wouldn't you guys to get too used to me.
[10:46] <Kilos> ha ha
[10:46] <Kilos> this channel is so quiet lately
[11:13] <Kilos> bbl
[11:33] <zeref> o.0, can you uses and array as a class instance
[11:36] <superfly> zeref: ?
[15:50] <zeref> hey guys
[15:51] <zeref> i'm trying to chnage the default gdm theme for 10.04
[15:53] <zeref> i downloaded a tar.gz file, but i dont know where to put it
[15:53] <superfly> zeref: first check to see if it's not already in the repository
[15:54] <superfly> Maaz: install gdm theme
[15:54] <Maaz> superfly: Sorry...
[15:54] <superfly> Maaz: google for install gdm theme
[15:54] <Maaz> superfly: "How to Install GDM (GNOME Display Manager) theme in Ubuntu ..." http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gdm-gnome-display-manager-theme-in-ubuntu.html :: "[SOLVED] Installing GDM Themes in 9.10 Karmic Koala? - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1292533 :: "How to change the GDM theme in ubuntu 11.04 - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAEm7AjkCFE :: "Change GDM Theme / Background In Ubuntu With GDM Twe
[15:54] <superfly> zeref: secondly, Just Google It
[15:55] <zeref> yes, i check those
[15:55] <zeref> but ubuntu-twaek, just changes the background
[16:09] <Kilos> afternoon all
[16:12] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:24] <nuvolari> o/ lo everyone
[17:25] <nuvolari> ol oom Kilos, superfly
[17:25] <nuvolari> *lo ek meen :P
[17:25] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[17:27] <nuvolari> whoot! good for samsung. fail for apple :D
[17:29] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[17:32] <nuvolari> hi oom! Hoe gaan dit nog hier?
[17:32] <nuvolari> ek was so bietjie skaars
[17:33] <Kilos> ja ek het gedink jys weg huistoe
[17:33] <Kilos> sonder n pc
[17:33] <Kilos> hier is dit nog net so still
[17:35] <nuvolari> nee nog nie oom
[17:35] <nuvolari> ek waai eers die 15de
[17:35] <nuvolari> dis darm nie so ver nie
[17:35] <Kilos> ah
[17:37] <superfly> nuvolari: yes, you're ignoring us
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:41] <nuvolari> the what now? :-/
[17:41] <nuvolari> why would I do that?
[17:42] <Kilos> we were also wondering why
[17:43] <superfly> nuvolari: I have no idea... but we're always here, and you're not :-P
[17:45] <nuvolari> I just had some extracurricular activities and a mountainload of requests from badly managed projects
[17:46] <nuvolari> and add to that the missing "thank you" for cleaning up other peoples nonsense
[17:47] <nuvolari> I'm a bad person. see, there I go again, complaining
[17:47] <nuvolari> on the positive side, it's onoly 12 more sleeps before my Dec leave :D
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Kilos> you not bad for complaining but for ignoring us for so long
[18:01] <Kilos> inetpro, moenie vergeet nie nê
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:03]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:04] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:04] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks.