[00:23] <ScottK> Lex79: Retried.  Thanks.
[00:24] <Lex79> no problem
[00:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did we pick a meeting time?
[03:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna, Riddell, apachelogger, nixternal, and Tonio__: How about 2100UTC on Friday for a kubuntu-dev meeting to slow roast JontheEchidna about his application?
[03:11] <alteroo> Are you allowed to invite JontheEchidna to a slow roast of JontheEchidna and let JontheEchidna know that's the intent? :)
[03:12] <nixternal> ScottK: I should be around
[03:13] <ScottK> alteroo: He applied for kubuntu-dev, he ought to have understood this.
[03:13] <ScottK> nixternal: Excellent.
[03:26] <Tonio__> ScottK: fine with me
[03:26] <ScottK> Tonio__: Excellent.
[03:26] <ScottK> Tonio__: Did you see rgreening started work on the Samba integration spec?
[03:26] <Tonio__> ScottK: just ping me if I don't come up, I may already be on the phone by that time
[03:26] <ScottK> OK.
[03:26] <Tonio__> ScottK: he told me yes
[03:26] <Tonio__> ScottK: which is fine :)
[03:26] <Tonio__> ScottK: I should see this with him
[03:27] <ScottK> Tonio__: Good.  You've been following the kubuntu-dev changes on kubuntu-devel?
[03:27] <Tonio__> ScottK: I was waiting for the "gui" part to be coded to make the all samba crap to work
[03:27]  * Tonio__ knows pretty well about samba :)
[03:27] <Tonio__> ScottK: rgrenning rocks :)
[03:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: I was expecting news from Smarter this week
[03:28] <ScottK> Yep.  Wanted to make sure you were aware since I haven't seen you around much lately.
[03:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: lots of work, unfortunatelly
[03:28] <ScottK> Understand.
[03:28] <Tonio_> ScottK: and I must say a little lack of motivation right now
[03:29] <Tonio_> new girlfriend, I don't want to expose her to my geekness to fast :)
[03:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: Well hopefully you can recover some of this motivation.
[03:29] <Tonio_> but, that temporary, it's not the first time I'm having a break
[03:29] <ScottK> Of course.
[03:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: I will, I already stopped for almost a year 3 years ago
[03:29] <ScottK> Tonio_: Since this is LTS, we can use all the help we can get.
[03:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: that's why I'm still here after 5 years with kubuntu
[03:29] <ScottK> (take a break after)
[03:29] <ScottK> Reasonable.
[03:30] <Tonio_> because I stopped before I get disgusted with this all stuff :)
[03:30]  * ScottK nods
[03:30] <Tonio_> ScottK: but yeah I know I have to do as much as possible for an lts
[03:31] <Tonio_> ScottK: the horrible stuff I'm working on is ending by the week coming... hopefully after this :)
[03:31] <ScottK> good timing then.
[03:31] <Tonio_> yup
[03:31] <ScottK> We should have KDE 4.4 beta then.
[03:31] <Tonio_> great
[03:32] <Tonio_> ScottK: I'm extremelly excited with lucid since we should go with lots of chnges....
[03:33] <Tonio_> hopefully rekonq... can't wait :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> ScottK: lso with my new job I don't have 25% of my time dedicated to kubuntu, that changes a lot...
[03:34] <ScottK> Of course.
[03:34] <Tonio_> but once I'll have done a couple of projects I may get some time to work on my working hours
[03:34] <Tonio_> revolution linux is a canonical partner after all
[03:35]  * Tonio_ beds
[03:35] <Tonio_> seya ScottK :)
[03:36] <Tonio_> ScottK: oh one thing I WANT for lucid is the opensuse patched for kde4/firefox
[03:36] <Tonio_> it's genius
[03:36] <Tonio_> that changed my life at work :)
[03:37] <ScottK> Tonio_: We have a spec on this and work is in progress.
[03:37] <Tonio_> great
[03:37] <Tonio_> I wanted to see with asac, but I have to review all the specs made at the UDS
[03:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Friday afternoon/evening's not good for me this week. What other options are there?
[03:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not sure.  apachelogger had proposed UTC evening tomorrow and I hadn't seen an objection, so I thought I'd press it.
[03:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Maybe you could set up a doodle poll for the meeting?
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> Sounds like a plan.
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> Saturday evening UTC would work for me
[03:57] <ScottK> That probably works for me too.
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> hmm, the smtp kio slave is broken
[04:03] <JontheEchidna> http://doodle.com/e6av8g8d68sqfv9t
[04:12] <ScottK> That's not good (smtp kio slave)
[04:12] <ScottK> Riddell, apachelogger, Tonio_, nixternal ^^^ (doodle poll for a good time to 'quiz' JontheEchidna)
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> the ioslave is likely built against 4.6 beta still
[04:14] <ScottK> What package does it live in?
[04:14] <ScottK> I think all the pim ones are rebuilt.
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> I'm checking for updates now. No need worrying about it if it's a new update since around noonish
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> *that has been available since I last checked around noonish
[04:16] <ScottK> I thought I did PIM last night, but it might have been this morning.
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> !find kio_smtp
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> Installed: 4:4.3.3-0ubuntu4
[04:18] <ScottK> pimlibs I definitely did yesterday
[04:19] <JontheEchidna> Ok, that's built against 4.6 rc1
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> kmail is too. Maybe I just need to restart it
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> Nope, something is broken. I can live with using the GMail web interface until 4.3.85 theoretically fixes things :P
[04:37] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: With 4.3.4 tagging imminent, it's probably good to know if this is broken with 4.3.3 on Karmic too.
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, it only broke after today's updates
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> since I was able to send out my application to k-d yesterday, according to kmail
[04:41] <nixternal> http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.11.26/omfgwtfbbq-no-more-gimp/  <- how many flames will that kick off I wonder?
[04:41] <nixternal> my RSS feeds are all about "Ubuntu ditching Gimp"
[04:41] <JontheEchidna> omgwtf is nothing without a good bbq
[04:41] <nixternal> no it isn't :)
[04:42] <nixternal> now, speaking of graphics, why in the hell don't we ship digikam by default yet?
[04:42] <nixternal> I just realized that after installing fresh on my main system
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> it has a fat arse
[04:43] <JontheEchidna> well, when you bring kipi into the mix
[04:43] <nixternal> which, let me just say this, unencrypted life is absolute love...fast boot, fast everything!!!
[04:43] <ScottK> Doesn't fit through the door in otherwords
[04:43] <nixternal> haha
[04:43] <nixternal> ditch gwenview
[04:43] <ScottK> nixternal: Gwenview is love.
[04:44] <nixternal> krfb and krdc can go too
[04:44]  * ScottK agrees there
[04:44] <nixternal> ya, I like gwenview for just browsing images...can it do anything else?
[04:44] <nixternal> I haven't really looked at it
[04:44] <ScottK> In 4.4 it has some basic camera import stuff.
[04:44] <nixternal> ooh
[04:44] <ScottK> It can also do basic changes like rotation and stuff.
[04:44] <nixternal> but I import with digikam and ship it straight to flickr anyways
[04:45] <ScottK> Right, but digikam is not a simple app.
[04:45] <ScottK> I think gwenview by default and digikam for people that want it works fine.
[04:45] <nixternal> oh wow, gwenview can do that too
[04:45] <ScottK> It's grown up a bit recently.
[04:45] <nixternal> there are some menus that say "No Plugins"
[04:45] <JontheEchidna> ^probably not by default, since it uses the same kipi-plugins
[04:45]  * nixternal hunts for plugins
[04:46] <ScottK> I don't recall how much of that is new for 4.4.
[04:46] <JontheEchidna> Though, iirc kipi-plugins biggest dependency was libgtk
[04:46] <JontheEchidna> which we have now courtesy of openoffice.org-core
[04:46] <nixternal> hrmm
[04:46] <JontheEchidna> would be worth re-evaluating
[04:47] <nixternal> hrmm, though kipi-plugins worked in gwenview as well
[04:47] <nixternal> oh they do
[04:47] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:47] <nixternal> just missing some naked menu items
[04:47] <ScottK> Fortunately the upstream is often here if you have feedback..
[04:49] <nixternal> wow, gwenview is actually more than I thought it was
[04:49] <nixternal> awesome!
[04:49] <nixternal> as soon as it gets the cam import stuff it will be super groovy
[04:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Say thanks to agateau when you see him.
[04:51]  * ScottK wanders off to retrieve a teenager that was allowed to roam loose tonight.
[04:51] <nixternal> https://launchpad.net/bzr-upload  <- this is love too
[04:52] <JontheEchidna> Whoa, an Ubuntu One bookmark magically appeared in the Places folder of Dolphin.
[04:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ^any of your doing, or does Ubuntu One gnome already have fancy cross-desktop places bookmark shizz?
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> uh-oh, kio-file has given up the ghost now. Yay for running pre-alpha crack \o/
[04:54] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: I don't think so - I never noted one when I was using the gnome applet
[04:55] <claydoh> but I sure has one now
[04:56]  * JontheEchidna noticed kded4 isn't running
[05:23] <DarkwingDuck> Hey nixternal you around?
[06:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: my doing, the fancy thing here is that my doing is more crossdesktop even though I do use a KDE class to creat it :P
[06:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: Riddell would only be avilable UTC evenings next week, so am I
[06:42] <apachelogger> just need some 3rd dev to set a final date and time :P
[06:47] <alteroo> apachelogger: So you just need some KDE stuff and you can be cross desktop too?
[07:15] <jussi01> nixternal: rock on mate! lovin your blog post
[07:33] <markey> well well
[07:34]  * markey nudges apachelogger
[07:34] <markey> *frown* *twitch*
[08:23] <Riddell> who broke freenode this morning?
[08:27] <Tm_T> not me this time
[08:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: is it too bold to just write some comments in kde-core-devel?
[08:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: about what?
[08:28] <Tm_T> the nepomuk mess, especially about winters patch
[08:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: I mean, I'm "new face" in there so I have no idea how welcome my comments would be
[08:29] <Tm_T> I just want this mess sorted so everyone can go back doing their stuff freely
[08:31] <Riddell> Tm_T: well he's aware of what he did and he appologised and said he'll fix it, from my view it's a good thing since it means we don't have two KDE releases at the same time
[08:32] <Tm_T> Riddell: well, I've been helping trueg on this, I just want to comment those patches and possible issues out there
[08:33] <Tm_T> as I see those two mentioned there aren't enough to get kdebase to build
[08:33] <Riddell> if you have something useful which hasn't already been said then by all means.  note that k-c-d is moderated though
[08:34] <Tm_T> Riddell: I subscribed just in case, thanks I'll go ahead
[08:42] <Tm_T> if lucky, there's only one issue left with kdelibs & kdebase
[08:53] <Tm_T> Riddell: sent, I hope I could so something useful on this matter, been too long just lurking
[08:58] <Quintasan> Riddell: about bug #489024, where lies the problem? Its KRunner or the shortcut implementation in Konq?
[09:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: probably krunner
[09:10] <Quintasan> I wonder if I can fix it
[09:11] <Riddell> qlabel has a property to say if it treats the input as HTMLish, that probably needs set somewhere
[09:14] <Quintasan> urgh 65mbs of source
[09:16] <tsimpson> I think you can just wrap the text in "<qt>...</qt>" as it just checks if the text "looks like" HTML
[09:30] <Riddell> that could work too
[09:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/f257b48dd <-- this line captures my attention
[09:46] <Quintasan> there is also knownShortcuts.append("</li>"); at the end of foreach {
[09:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: and it uses QString to display the list of shortcuts :/
[09:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: that'll be making the HTML but it still needs the qlabel to realise that it is HTML
[09:53] <Quintasan> hmm
[09:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/329204/ ?
[09:55] <Riddell> could try putting a <qt> at the start of that
[09:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: wouldnt that change the string?
[10:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: like this -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/329209/ ?
[10:04] <Quintasan> I don't like HTML-like tags in C++ :O
[10:05] <tsimpson> Quintasan: no, in the string
[10:06] <Riddell> that's not c++ indeed
[10:06] <tsimpson> or like: Plasma::RunnerSyntax s("shortcut" + m_delimiter + ":q:", "<qt>" + i18n("Opens the location associated with \"shortcut\"  in a web browser with the query :q:. Known shortcuts include: <ul>%1<ul>", knownShortcuts));
[10:07] <tsimpson> that way it should preserve translations
[10:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: not if it's done like that ^^
[10:07] <tsimpson> hopefully
[10:07] <apachelogger> good point
[10:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, for ubuntuone it probably makes most sense to implement a kioslave
[10:14] <apachelogger> then introduce either some fancy lib or a kded to abstract interaction with the ubuntuone syncdaemon
[10:14] <Riddell> that does sound like a KDE-ish way to do it
[10:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, and we need to poke the dolphin maintainer to allow for on-the-fly slave switching ... as seen within KDE 3
[10:15] <Riddell> what's that?
[10:16] <apachelogger> so that when the user navigates to /home/$USER/UbuntuOne dolphin switches to the ubuntuone kioslave
[10:16] <Riddell> KDE 3 had that?
[10:16] <Riddell> there's kioslave forwarding
[10:16] <apachelogger> at least optional
[10:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: the thing is that we need some uber generic way to define which dirs are ubuntuone'd because the next release will support abitary syncing
[10:17] <Riddell> I'd have thought it was the job of the file ioslave to forward it to the ubuntuone ioslave
[10:17] <apachelogger> e.g. dirs that have an .ubuntuone config need the other slave
[10:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: possibly
[10:17]  * apachelogger is quite fightened by the kio stuff :P
[10:22] <Riddell> full of atoms as I remember are io slaves
[10:24] <bradpitt> does anybody here can help me to update phonon, i want to make equalizer in amarok working. thank you.
[10:25] <ghostcube> ehlo coders and humans and the other not deeper identified versions of life
[10:25] <ghostcube> :D
[10:42] <ruphy> hola
[10:42] <Quintasan> ruphy: hello
[10:43] <ruphy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kmess/+bug/485640 --> this has been fixed upstream, i linked the (very simple) patch in the comments. can you please release an update? it's a rather annoying bug :)
[10:45] <Quintasan> tsimpson, Riddell: It actually added <qt> to the text :/
[10:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: so it needs the qlabel told elsewhere that it should treat is as HTMLish
[10:46] <Riddell> ruphy: can do (in a bit)
[10:46] <ruphy> Riddell: thanks :)
[10:46] <Riddell> ruphy: do you know about KDE's relationship with the icon name spec? (and specifically ark's icon)
[10:48] <ruphy> well, we (jpetso) basically made it
[10:48] <ruphy> what is the problem?
[10:48] <Riddell> ruphy: ark uses utilities-file-archiver which doesn't seem to be in the gnome icon themes so we have to add it to our kubuntu packages
[10:49] <Riddell> else gnome users get no ark icon
[10:49] <ruphy> mmh
[10:49] <ruphy> it should be in the icon spec, but let me check
[10:50] <ruphy> (http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html , btw)
[10:50] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be in there
[10:51] <ruphy> nope
[10:51] <ruphy> but it definitely makes sense to be there
[10:53] <ruphy> Riddell: if gnome guys agree, it should be added to the spec
[10:54] <amichair> Quintasan: where is the code you're looking at?
[10:55] <Quintasan> amichair: kdebase-workspace
[10:55] <Quintasan> plasma/runners/webshortcuts/webshortcutrunner.cpp
[11:01] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo  easy peasy, we'll get that lot done in no time
[11:01] <jussi01> Riddell: you need to add "stop kmail crashing" there :P :P
[11:03] <Tm_T> good news is trunk seems to build fine, maybe I'll post some cleanups I think are useful some later time...
[11:03] <tsimpson> kde bug #201554
[11:04] <tsimpson> Quintasan: ^
[11:04] <tsimpson> seems the kde "fix" is to just not use HTML
[11:04] <amichair> yeah I'm looking at kde trunk and there's no html there...
[11:05] <tsimpson> that's where I got the bug id from :)
[11:06] <tsimpson> kde svn 1002700
[11:06] <jussi01> has someone packaged the beta of koffice for karmic yet?
[11:07] <Riddell> ?  koffice got a final released
[11:07] <jussi01> err, ok, final release then... :D
[11:07]  * jussi01 oviously read something old..
[11:07] <jussi01> :D
[11:08] <tsimpson> http://www.koffice.org/news/koffice-2-1-released/
[11:08] <jussi01> anyway, is it ppa'd yet?
[11:08] <Tm_T> jussi01: don't read anything that is written to my back
[11:08] <amichair> Riddell: any chance to have the soft-props changes reviewed/merged for alpha? early feedback is good...
[11:11] <Riddell> amichair: where is it?
[11:11] <Riddell> jussi01: see kubuntu.org
[11:12]  * jussi01 sighs, goes to get coffee... thanks Riddell...
[11:13] <jussi01> !gpgerr
[11:13] <amichair> Riddell: lp:~amichai2/software-properties/fixes
[11:17] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna, Riddell, apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/recorditnow <-- please review if you have some time
[11:24] <Riddell> amichair: could you merge in the latest changes from ~ubuntu-core-dev/software-properties/main
[11:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: fixed
[11:28] <Quintasan> Riddell: added debdiff and patch itself to bug 489024
[11:29] <Riddell> amichair: that's a lot of changes in there! :)
[11:39] <amichair> Riddell: yeah :-)
[11:51] <amichair> Riddell: there should be a conflict on rev. 585 in trunk vs. rev 600 in branch. they are two approaches to fixing bug #102773 (the only high priority bug).
[11:51] <amichair> Riddell: they are slightly different approaches, and the branch rev. also covers styling (e.g. bold checkbox group headers) and manually going over all dialogs, popups, progressbars, etc.
[11:52] <amichair> Riddell: but I'm not objective on the matter, so you (or someone else) should have to review the two and decide which to use or how to combine
[11:53] <amichair> Riddell: that's why I stopped working on sp after that revision, to minimize future conflicts/work. all previous revisions can be merged independently.
[11:54] <Riddell> ok
[11:54] <amichair> sorry for the long answer - but you'll be more than compensated by the number of closed bugs :-)
[12:01] <ruphy> Riddell: please tell me when you update it
[12:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: let me know if the krunner needs more work, I'm going out for an hour
[13:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: You're the only kubuntu-dev that didn't do the doodle poll: http://doodle.com/e6av8g8d68sqfv9t
[15:09] <Riddell> rgreening: seen this week's LWN?
[15:09] <Riddell> "Ubuntu has a tool (usb-creator) which will create a bootable USB device from a CD image; too bad that its window is much taller than a typical netbook screen, making the crucial buttons unreachable. Your editor finally got past that little problem and was able to create a bootable Ubuntu 9.10 device."
[15:20] <Riddell> ruphy: the URL you put on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/kmess/+bug/485640 is wrong
[15:21] <ruphy> Riddell: works here
[15:21] <ruphy> what is your error?
[15:22] <ruphy> http://trac.kmess.org/changeset/5693
[15:22] <ruphy> Riddell: ^^
[15:23] <Riddell> hum
[15:23] <Riddell> well it wasn't working a minute ago!
[15:26] <ruphy> Riddell: fair enough :)
[15:39] <Riddell> Quintasan|Szel: no problems found in recorditnow
[15:44] <Riddell> hmm, what to say for release team meeting?  "not quite there yet, we'll get back to you in five months"
[15:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: thanks for comment, how's patch?
[15:51] <Riddell> Quintasan: still getting to that!
[15:53] <Riddell> ruphy: the changeset doesn't apply to the released version, there's no src/network/soap/roamingservice.cpp
[16:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: hmm, that patch changes a translatable string so I don't think it's suitable for a SRU
[16:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: it would be better to have a .replace("<ul>","")
[16:14] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... I wonder if its only a isse in the gtk one
[16:16] <rgreening> Riddell: the geometry of the kde window is smaller than 460x400, which will cover most of our use cases I believe
[16:19] <rgreening> Riddell: do you have a link to the article?
[16:20] <Riddell> lwn.net
[16:21] <rgreening> is it only for subscribers
[16:21] <rgreening> cause I dont have a subscription to view full weekly
[16:23] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[16:23] <Riddell> rgreening: don't ubuntu members get one?
[16:23] <rgreening> hmm...
[16:23] <Riddell> http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/363622/f30af221339e74df/
[16:23] <rgreening> I think I remember something about it.. and I believe I respo9nded, but cant remember getting approved
[16:27] <rgreening> Riddell: ty. Yeah, the author was using the old 9.04 (or earlier) verison, way before we refactored and added in the kde one. Im pretty sure the kde one fits on most netbook screens just fine (though I should probably re-check that...).
[16:28] <Riddell> groovy
[16:28] <Riddell> maybe you could comment that on the story
[16:28] <rgreening> Noone meantioned an issue to me on the size of the window while we were testing though Riddell, so I assume it was ok.
[16:28] <rgreening> yeah... I will, after I verify :)
[16:28] <rgreening> hehe
[16:33] <rgreening> hmm. Riddell I cant post comments as I do not have a subscription. haha
[16:34] <Riddell> humbug
[16:34] <rgreening> lol
[16:39] <JontheEchidna> hmm: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/4:4.3.3-0ubuntu2/+build/1365534
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> looks like that transitional package isn't necessary then
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> fix committed to bzr in revision 82
[17:26] <Quintasan> GRRR
[17:26] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[17:26] <Quintasan> WTH is with pinentry, it fails to start everwhere, during pbuilder, during signing messages in KMail
[17:26] <Quintasan> :/
[17:27] <DarkwingDuck> :\
[17:28] <Quintasan> apachelogger,Riddell: mind inviting me to bunker?
[17:43] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: who can invite to bunker?
[18:18] <Quintasan> What about webkitkde needs to be investigated?
[18:45] <nixternal> yo ho ho...shoppers are insane today
[18:46]  * claydoh stays away from places of commerce on black friday
[18:46] <nixternal> I like to go and fill up shopping carts, hide them somewhere, and leave
[18:46]  * claydoh even gets the day off from Wendy's, even tho it is usually our record day in  sales each year
[18:47] <claydoh> but If I had && a 199 laptop would be sooper nice
[18:47] <claydoh> err id I had $$
[18:47] <Quintasan> nhandler: can you invite to bunker?
[18:48] <Quintasan> nhandler: thanks
[18:48] <nhandler> :)
[18:48] <Quintasan> anyone of you uses KMail and is able to sign emails?
[18:49]  * claydoh checks...
[18:49] <Quintasan> I have damned problems with gpg-agent or pinentry everytime :/
[18:51] <ScottK> Quintasan: Yes.  On karmic no problem.
[18:51] <Quintasan> darn
[18:52] <Quintasan> ScottK: do you have .gnupg/S.gpg-agent file?
[18:53] <ScottK> Quintasan: You mean in /.gnupg/ ?
[18:53] <ScottK> ~/.gnupg
[18:54] <Quintasan> ScottK: yeah
[18:54] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  I have gpg-agent.conf and gpg-agent-info-[hostname]
[18:55] <Quintasan> ScottK: can you tell me what happens when you run gpg-agent?
[18:55] <ScottK> Quintasan: Be default you should just need to tell Kmail which GPG keys to use and that's it.
[18:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: and it doesn't work, tells me Wrong password and I didn't even have a chance to write it
[18:56] <ScottK> Quintasan: Even just after restart?
[18:56] <freinhard> can kmail/kleopatra handle class3 certs yet? had no luck some weeks ago...
[18:56] <Quintasan> ScottK: yeah
[18:57] <ScottK> Quintasan: Normallay gpg-agent is started by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent so you shouldn't have mess with it.
[18:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: hmm, okay, what pinentry package do you have installed? -qt or -qt4?
[18:58] <ScottK> Quintasan: -qt4
[18:59] <ScottK> Quintasan: IME generally that's a sign that gpg-agent is either not running or not connected to the session correctly.
[19:00] <Quintasan> I don't have that gpg-agent-info-[hostname] file :/
[19:00] <Quintasan> no matter what I run :/
[19:07] <ScottK> sebas: I saw your post on the battery app.  It sounds good.  What would be the chances of connecting the battery laptop key to popping that up?
[19:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: well, I changed something and it works now, thanks :P
[19:12] <ScottK> Odd.
[19:12] <Quintasan> nhandler: still not permamently invited, I need to poke Riddell or someone else to set it up?
[19:17] <Quintasan> hmm now a new problem! one app captures sound card and no sound at all in other apps, wtf
[19:17] <freinhard> anyone willing to package opensync 0.39? :)
[19:17] <ruphy> Riddell: have you packaged the fix?
[19:18] <Quintasan> freinhard: I could try, mind giving me link?
[19:19] <freinhard> http://opensync.org/wiki/opensync-0.39-notes
[19:20] <Quintasan> freinhard: hmm, that ain't stable release :P
[19:20] <freinhard> as the release notes state, it is the last test release before 0.40, and that one is considered to be as table release
[19:20] <Quintasan> ah
[19:20] <freinhard> so having a lot of users to test (speak: have a ppa with opensync 0.39) would be nice
[19:20] <Quintasan> sure, I'll try
[19:21] <freinhard> great!
[19:23] <Quintasan> freinhard: ya want all plugins or just lib?
[19:26] <freinhard> Quintasan: i'd be happy with kdepim and syncml for now :)
[19:26] <Quintasan> kay, never packaged libs but whatever :P
[19:27] <freinhard> uh, no kdepim plugin in 0.39
[19:28] <freinhard> hmm i guess "file" is now the plugin of choice...
[19:30] <Quintasan> hmmm
[19:30] <Quintasan> damn
[19:30] <Quintasan> rules need complete rewrite
[19:32] <DarkwingDuck> hey nixternal, you around?
[19:32] <nixternal> kind of
[19:33] <DarkwingDuck> what did we want to do with Karmic translations?
[19:33] <DarkwingDuck> I was talking to a translations guy yesterday and he was asking...
[19:35] <nixternal> i need to pull them in, spend all day fixing stuff, build the package, spend a couple of hours testing, then send the package to the builders
[19:36] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, if you need any help with anything forward it along...
[19:38] <freinhard> Quintasan: btw, what means the tailing 0 in libopensync0 ?
[19:38] <nixternal> roger that
[19:39] <Quintasan> freinhard: dunno really :P
[19:39]  * kb9vqf hazards an educated guess that it refers to the 0 in the 0.xx version number
[19:40] <kb9vqf> Just like libstdc++5 refers to the 5th major version of libsdtc++
[19:46] <Quintasan> freinhard: sorry, this is more complex than I though, rewriting rules to use cmake is not enough, maybe you could ask our great apachelogger to do this so I would be able to copy his work later :P
[20:12] <Lex79> ScottK: Can I add "review build dependencies of kde core packages and MIR" to Kubuntu Todo wiki ? or is it too banal?
[20:13] <ScottK> Lex79: No, it's a good thing to do.
[20:13] <ScottK> Go ahead.
[20:14] <Lex79> ok, assigned to me than
[20:19] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :) I am working on the basics of Kubuntu and the cli section and other than changing some stuff around and adding screen-shots I don't see any major changes what do you say about that
[21:07] <bjsnider> i don't think it was a good decision to exclude the more mature kaffeine 8.8 in favour of kaffeine 1.0pre
[21:07] <bjsnider> dvb-s2 users were left out in the cold by this
[21:07] <bjsnider> in karmic i mean
[21:08] <dhillon-v10> bjsnider, do you know why they excluded GIMP from kubuntu
[21:08] <bjsnider> no idea
[21:08] <dhillon-v10> :)
[21:09] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: because it is not a tool everybody uses, more for professionnals, and not exactly easy to use
[21:09] <bjsnider> because there's akde app that can be used instead?
[21:09] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, thanks :)
[21:09] <Mamarok> it's just removed from the CD to gain space, you can still isntall it if needed
[21:09] <Mamarok> install*
[21:10] <dhillon-v10> I did, but I had to switch out of Kubuntu :( it constantly kept on crashing plasma workspace about 7 times in a day
[21:10] <Mamarok> well, the KDE counterpart is not easy neither, since both are high-end graphic tools (Gimp and Krita I mean)
[21:10] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: gimp crashed your plasma desktop?
[21:10] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, no but something did
[21:10] <Mamarok> unlikely, it's a gtk tool
[21:10] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: most likely some widget
[21:11]  * kb9vqf suggests https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic if KDE4 isn't working out for you...no need to go to Gnome ;-)
[21:11] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, ahh I had a lot of folder views open, and also Kontact had so many segmentation faults
[21:12] <Mamarok> hm, runs smoothly here with 9.10 and KDE 4.3.3, never ever had a plasma crash in Karmic yet
[21:12] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, is that because I used a lot of folder views plasmoids
[21:13] <Mamarok> you mean, more than one?
[21:13] <Mamarok> what for? You can run Dolphin for that
[21:13] <dhillon-v10> yah about 12 in different workspaces though
[21:13] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[21:13] <Mamarok> I never use folder view plasmoids
[21:13] <Mamarok> first thing I remove
[21:13] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, lol but what crashed Kontact all the time
[21:14] <Mamarok> don't know how you use Kontact, it doesn't crash on me, unless you do a lot of mail moving and filtrering in Kmail, but that's a known bug
[21:15] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, no I just use the basic filtering for launchpad answers I had about 6 filters and that's it no mail moving
[21:15] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, if you don't mind can you send me a screenshot of your desktop
[21:15] <Mamarok> as I said, I don't know, but if it crashes you get backtraces, no?
[21:16] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, yah I did report a bug but everytime it was the same thing
[21:16] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: that would be useless, since I only have the pastebin active on that one, and I use other eidgets in other activities
[21:16] <Mamarok> widgets*
[21:16] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, so how many widgets do you use
[21:17] <Mamarok> depends on the activity, in this one only the pastebin one, in another the OpenDesktop one + the Moon applet, etc.
[21:17] <Mamarok> it's pointless to put a bazillion widgets if you don't use them, use activities instead and switch when needed
[21:18] <dhillon-v10> so that's it, I see why you haven't had even a single crash, I think folder views was the only thing that was causing problems
[21:18] <Mamarok> I use Dolphin when I want to see the folders, and I run applications from there or with the krunner
[21:19] <Mamarok> folder view is so "Windows XP style" IMHO
[21:19] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, now I have everything setup in Gnome :( and moving stuff in and out is a big pain so I'll switch back when Lucid comes out
[21:20] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: your choice, I can't work with Gnome, drives me crazy, not my style
[21:20] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, I HATE it but I don't know if I should move all my stuff again
[21:21] <Mamarok> move your stuff? Don't you have a separate /home partition? Makes life much easier
[21:21]  * Mamarok is listening to The source of secrets by Mike Oldfield on Tubular Bells III [Amarok2]
[21:22] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, no I don't know how to do that, and it was complicated so I just reformat
[21:22] <Mamarok> ouch
[21:22] <dhillon-v10> :)
[21:23] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: next you install a Kubuntu, use the manual partition and make a separate partition for /home, so you don't have to format anything
[21:23] <Mamarok> that's lost time
[21:24] <Mamarok> manual partitioning* I mean
[21:24] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, is there a wiki explaining what to do when the next release comes out
[21:24] <Mamarok> dhillon-v10: check http://kubuntu.org
[21:24] <dhillon-v10> because I can partition but what happens to your home partition when the next release come out how do you install it
[21:24] <Mamarok> btw, you should ask for help in #kubuntu, this is the developer channel
[21:25] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, sorry about that
[21:25] <dhillon-v10> :)
[21:25] <Mamarok> well, you only reformat the old / partition, and move the previous $home/.kde/ folder to a backup place
[21:25] <dhillon-v10> Mamarok, alright thanks for the info.
[21:26] <Mamarok> depending on the size of the hard disk, you should consider ~30 Gb for the /root partion at maximum
[21:26] <dhillon-v10> alright
[21:26] <Mamarok> that is enough space for both KDE and Gnome and XFCE
[21:34] <ScottK> Mamarok: We also support reinstall preserving an existing home directory.  Backing up is still good, but it doesn't need to be on a different partition.
[21:35] <Mamarok> ScottK: I was talking about the old .kde when changing version
[21:35] <Mamarok> not the complete home folder
[21:35] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: Gimp has never been in the Kubuntu default install.  It was recently removed from the Ubuntu default install.
[21:35] <ScottK> Mamarok: Oh.
[21:35] <ScottK> Sorry
[21:35] <Mamarok> and a separate /home partition is a very good thing
[21:36] <ScottK> bjsnider: Unfortunately during Karmic development when this topic was being debated, no one pointed this out.
[21:47] <bjsnider> ScottK, no one pointed out that kaffeine-1.0pre wasn't going to cut it?
[21:48] <ScottK> bjsnider: We had several people testing and no one pointed out the dvb-s2 issue
[21:49] <ScottK> One of the problems with having a small development team is that we can't possibly use every package and all the options it offers.
[21:49] <bjsnider> it's too bad none of the other media players have dvb-s2 support, since kaffeine isn't very actively developed anymore
[21:50] <ScottK> You might file a wishlist bug against dragonplayer on bugs.kde.org if there isn't one already.
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> dragonplayer is notorious for its maintainers wanting it to remain very simple
[21:51] <bjsnider> it wouldn't beme, but some of the people asking me to package kaffeine .8 into a ppa
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Could you sponsor kdebase from bzr please? There was an upload failure on i386.
[21:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Sure.
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Thanks
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> Hopefully one of the last few sponsors I'll need :)
[22:01] <ScottK> Weird.
[22:01] <ScottK> No source package 'kdebase' picking 'meta-kde' instead
[22:01] <ScottK> @#$%^! you very much apt.
[22:04] <dhillon-v10> guys a quick question does kubuntu have a separate artwork team
[22:06] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: Not currently.
[22:06] <ScottK> We're looking for volunteers.
[22:06] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, alright I was writing the documentation so I thought it would be a good idea to ask :)
[22:11] <nixternal> hrmm, fresh install choqok still bombs on inbox, and only after I resize the main window
[22:12] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: are you following https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Documentation/Lucid/Todo ?
[22:12] <nixternal> I have been working on those already
[22:13] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, hi :) the contribution part was left for me right
[22:13] <nixternal> you can have that
[22:14]  * nixternal purges choqok and goes with something else
[22:14] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, :) I want to know how to put in artwork for contribution its only for Ubuntu
[22:15] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Done.  Thanks.
[22:16] <ScottK> dhillon-v10: We'd like to have an artwork team, so I don't think we actually want to say that.
[22:16] <nixternal> ahh, the choqok crash is a one-time thing
[22:16] <dhillon-v10> ScottK, alright so I won't mention that :)
[22:16] <nixternal> dhillon-v10: artwork is tricky, and I wouldn't even add that section concerning artwork just yet...and the doc you should be working on should have been blank
[22:17] <nixternal> try not to copy much from the wiki, as a lot of the info is either outdated or plain shite
[22:18] <dhillon-v10> nixternal, lol alright will do :)
[22:57]  * ryanakca wishes he had gotten a crossover key when they were giving them away
[22:58] <ryanakca> My mum outright refuses to move away from MS Word 2007... The equation editor doesn't fully work in WINE and she can't deal with running it in a VM... so back to Vista she goes :/
[23:00] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, how about LaTeX, it works out nice
[23:01] <ryanakca> dhillon-v10: She's been telling me she would learn it for the past two years... I even tried her out on LyX.
[23:02] <dhillon-v10> ryanakca, nice :)