[00:22] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: you not going to be at chc?
[00:31] <rick_h_> hello strangers :P
[00:31] <rick_h_> moving the table over there would make a mess
[00:32] <mrgoodcat> i doubt it
[00:32] <mrgoodcat> you could ask the nice fellow at the other table to switch tables with you
[00:34] <cmaloney> No it wouldn't.
[01:30] <cmaloney> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/932069/building-a-minimal-plugin-architecture-in-python
[11:08] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:56] <mrgoodcat> dhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/20sv8o/phoronix_ubuntu_1404_now_runs_well_on_the_2013/cg72y52
[11:57] <mrgoodcat> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/20sv8o/phoronix_ubuntu_1404_now_runs_well_on_the_2013/cg72y52
[12:00]  * rick_h_ wants to go back to bed
[12:04] <brousch> Congrats on the new hire for JuJuGUI
[12:04] <rick_h_> brousch: you know him?
[12:05] <brousch> Yes. He makes his way to GR occasionally and is a friend of Brondsema
[12:05] <brousch> Nice guy
[12:08] <brousch> Probably really hard to leave the old job, but I don't blame him. It sounds like a sinking ship
[12:12] <rick_h_> brousch: nice cool
[12:12] <rick_h_> yea he was a mark ramm guy "I want this guy"
[12:12] <brousch> Ah, yeah, they would've worked together
[12:12] <rick_h_> yea
[12:13] <rick_h_> sooo, I'm not allowed to say "$A#@$# OFF!!!!" right? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bookie_bookmarks/WD97W78d5n4
[12:15] <brousch> Getting the real winners here at the deadline
[12:15] <rick_h_> heh
[12:15] <brousch> I would post just a link to the gsoc instructions
[12:36] <brousch> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014
[12:36] <brousch> Bookie is in the short list
[12:52] <cmaloney> I love the applications that are essentially the template.
[12:53] <cmaloney> Makes it easier to score them. :)
[12:54] <brousch> I get an email for every proposal and every comment on a proposal for the entire PSF group. It is annoying
[12:55] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:55] <rick_h_> brousch: ugh
[12:56] <rick_h_> yea, I was going to do things under PSF but kind of cool that we got our own
[12:56] <rick_h_> and now that we're in, should be easier in future years I think
[12:56] <rick_h_> if we do well in the reviews I guess
[12:56] <brousch> Yeah. I'm not really seeing the benefit of being under the PSF umbrella yet
[12:57] <brousch> There's an extra hoop to jump through
[12:57] <rick_h_> yea but you know they'll get accepted
[12:57] <mrgoodcat> is bookie still very busy now that applications are done?
[12:57] <rick_h_> so if psf takes you, then you don't ahve to worry about google's approval as much
[12:57] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: well apps go through tomorrow. So all last night was scoring apps and more coming still
[12:57] <brousch> Right, but you got in fine
[12:57] <rick_h_> but these are mostly slackers
[12:58] <rick_h_> brousch: because we're awesome! :P
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> simple to score lazy people
[12:58] <rick_h_> yea
[12:58] <brousch> I agree, but Kivy has been awesome for nearly 10 years
[12:58] <rick_h_> now it's just life that's busy
[12:58] <mrgoodcat> are you scoring more based on work ethic or coding ability?
[12:59] <rick_h_> mrgoodcat: both, demonstration of learning, willingness to take criticism, quality of work submitted, etc
[12:59] <rick_h_> someone I feel my mentorship won't be wasted on :)
[13:00] <mrgoodcat> good thing i didn't apply. sounds like real work
[13:00] <brousch> It is!
[13:00] <rick_h_> yea, I'll have them do hangouts, kanban on trello, code reviews, etc
[13:00] <mrgoodcat> did 2 people just quit at the same time or did a server just netsplit?
[13:02] <mrgoodcat> welcome back waf
[13:07] <Havenstance> morn
[13:07] <mrgoodcat> mornin
[13:07] <Havenstance> anyone else going to penguicon?
[13:07]  * brousch shivers uncomfortably
[13:09] <mrgoodcat> i was thinking about it
[13:09] <Havenstance> me too, if for no other reason to see the newest ubuntu lts
[13:09] <Havenstance> granted it will be out before then but still
[13:09] <mrgoodcat> oh i'm downloading it right now
[13:10] <Havenstance> its not officially launched yet is it?
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> no
[13:10] <Havenstance> damn, i'd like to throw it on this server and save from a dist upgrade in a month lol
[13:10] <mrgoodcat> i always fresh install
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> i've had terrible luck upgrading to new versions
[13:11] <Havenstance> well that's good information to have
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> and it's so easy to re set up
[13:11] <Havenstance> I'll have to inform my boss that it comes out soon and maybe wait on this server deployment until its out
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> wait for 14.04.1
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> that's when it becomes officially supported for commercial use
[13:12] <Havenstance> yeah, the hardest part I have with setting it up is getting the DHCP to work
[13:12] <mrgoodcat> it will be in like august
[13:12] <Havenstance> but with jrwren's help yesterday I think I've managed to figure out the configs i need
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> usually takes 2-4 months for commercial support
[13:13] <Havenstance> ah well then I'll just go ahead with 13.10 and when 14.04.1 comes out in august we'll upgrade then
[13:13] <mrgoodcat> it's just too buggy to use before that for any mission critical application
[13:17] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: thanks for that surveillance link. good music :)
[13:33] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Cool. Glad you liked it!
[13:34] <mrgoodcat> added to g music :)
[13:41] <Havenstance> I have another question about this DHCP if anyone could answer :) well more like about static IPS
[13:42] <Havenstance> If I have eth0 as my feed from router and i set it to static to configure everything when i remove the router and put in the modem directly to eth0 can I change it back to dhcp without breaking the whole thing?
[13:43] <cmaloney> define "breaking the whole thing"
[13:43] <cmaloney> ?
[13:43] <Havenstance> having the dhcp server stop handing addresses out on eth 1 2 3
[13:44] <Havenstance> if my understanding is correct on this the DHCP Server relies on the address assigned to eth0 in some way doesn't it?
[13:44] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: so you want to change from static input and giving out 3 addresses to dhcp input and still giving out those addresses?
[13:44] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: can you post your dhcp config?
[13:44] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, yes because I have a charter modem that gets a DHCP Assigned addreess
[13:45] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, I don't have one yet lol I need to write it but I want to make sure that if i need some argument to make it work i put it in now :)
[13:45] <cmaloney> Any particular reason for removing the router from the equation?
[13:45] <mrgoodcat> the 3 dhcp addresses are private addresses, correct?
[13:45] <Havenstance> yes
[13:45] <mrgoodcat> you shouldn't have a huge problem
[13:45] <mrgoodcat> private addresses don't care about your public address
[13:45] <Havenstance> this box is going to route the internet in from the outside world and feed back to eth 1 2 3 all internal networks
[13:46] <Havenstance> as long as i use mklink to link eth 0123?
[13:46] <mrgoodcat> i agree with cmaloney though. why are you removing the router?
[13:46] <Havenstance> The boss wants one less thing to go wrong
[13:46] <Havenstance> idk exactly I'd leave it if it were up to me
[13:46] <Havenstance> but I think he wants this box to handle port forwarding and everything
[13:46] <cmaloney> I see it as one more thing to go wrong if someone broke into the network
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> yea
[13:47] <cmaloney> ie: have the router be a jumping point to the DHCP server.
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> routers provide good services
[13:47] <Havenstance> so your suggesting leave router between charter and eth0
[13:47] <cmaloney> Hells yes.
[13:47] <Havenstance> how bout i pretend i didn't hear his request and i'll leave it anyway :)
[13:47] <mrgoodcat> or at the very least install something like zyntal on the server if you have to get rid of the router
[13:48] <Havenstance> I believe that the router has to stay anyway
[13:48] <cmaloney> it might just be some thumb-sucking comfort thing but I'd rather have one layer between me and the external network.
[13:48] <Havenstance> its a dual wan router anyway
[13:48] <cmaloney> That way too if you decide to go with !charter your network doesn't have to change
[13:49] <Havenstance> we have two internet feeds here one from Charter one from ATT so I think that router has to stay in place anyway and now that I think more about it the router can't leave
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> zyntal would essentially turn your server into a router
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> router/firewall
[13:49] <Havenstance> would it auto config this thing? LOL
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> yes
[13:49] <mrgoodcat> that's what its meant to do
[13:50] <Havenstance> because even if it has the router before it having to port forward to router on eth0 then on router on eth0 to external world I think is more secure anyway
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> holy crap i spelled it wrong
[13:50] <mrgoodcat> http://www.zentyal.org/
[13:52] <Havenstance> this looks very similar to clearos
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> yea sort of
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> but more professional
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> well i guess that's not fair
[13:52] <mrgoodcat> i've never used the "professional" clearos
[13:53] <Havenstance> no its fair
[13:53] <Havenstance> clearOS isn't that great
[13:53] <Havenstance> so many features that are virtually broken
[13:53] <Havenstance> is there a noob reference for this thing somewhere mrgoodcat ?
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> umm...
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> hang on
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> i have a bmark somewhere i used to refer to
[13:54] <mrgoodcat> but it really isn't that hard
[13:54] <Havenstance> I see that lol
[13:54] <Havenstance> Just a lot of shit I don't wanna get lost in I've wasted a week on this already
[13:55] <Havenstance> this debian based?
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> hmmm well this is exactly what you were saying you wanted to do. it isn't the same one i used to use but i can't find my old one http://www.howtoforge.com/zentyal-as-a-gateway-the-perfect-setup
[13:55] <mrgoodcat> ubuntu based
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> so yes technically?
[13:56] <Havenstance> oh hell even better :)
[13:56] <Havenstance> he said he wanted ubuntu based xD
[13:56] <Havenstance> so I can technically give him what he wants by giving him this
[13:56] <Havenstance> and it looks easy enough to manage
[13:56] <mrgoodcat> it's fairly simple
[13:57] <Havenstance> http://doc.zentyal.org/en/ this the one you used?
[13:59] <Havenstance> im going to install this on the server get it partway working then go plug it into the gateway router and config it in place I think this would be the best
[13:59] <Havenstance> thank you mrgoodcat
[13:59] <mrgoodcat> no problem
[13:59] <Havenstance> does this support encrypting the FS to unlock from USB Key too? cuz that's one other thing he wants that I find really irritating
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> what do you mean?
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> plug in a usb key to get fs access?
[14:00] <Havenstance> yeah
[14:00] <mrgoodcat> so you can't boot without the usb?
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> your boss sounds paranoid
[14:01] <Havenstance> unfortunately that's exactly what he wants
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> i like him
[14:01] <Havenstance> I hate that side of him LOL
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> hang on let me see
[14:01] <Havenstance> if its ubuntu i should be able to putty into the core and script it though
[14:01] <mrgoodcat> i've never set up a system like that
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> it's basically ubuntu
[14:02] <Havenstance> yeah, I can figure that part out
[14:02] <mrgoodcat> is it just the /home paritition or something that he wants encrypted?
[14:02] <Havenstance> worst case scenario he has to enter a password and deal with it lol
[14:02] <Havenstance> no he wants full disk luks encryption
[14:02] <Havenstance> and if its ubuntu it should be in the installer
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> because you can't encrypt the full disk after install
[14:03] <Havenstance> right is this available as a package upgrade for ubuntu by chance?
[14:03] <mrgoodcat> as just a regular install in vanilla ubuntu you mean?
[14:04] <Havenstance> cuz i already have a ubuntu install completed on this machine
[14:04] <Havenstance> yeah like a sudo apt-get install zentyal or soemthing equal
[14:04] <mrgoodcat> https://wiki.zentyal.org/wiki/Installation_Guide#Zentyal_3.4_packages
[14:05] <mrgoodcat> the zenbuntu-install package i believe is the "preffered" option
[14:06] <mrgoodcat> er zenbuntu-desktop rather
[14:07] <Havenstance> hm, let me check
[14:08] <Havenstance> oh yes i see that in the full graphical environment job there zenbuntu-desktop
[14:08] <Havenstance> that would be perfect because I just have a shell of a system right now anyway
[14:09] <Havenstance> one thing about it my putty skills are getting good :)
[14:09] <mrgoodcat> i've only ever used it on remote servers. so web interface, but i believe there are regular gui tools as well if that is your prerogative
[14:10] <Havenstance> i'd use the web interface for most things but I might toy with some of the GUI tools just to see what I get into
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> wait this is a headless server right?
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> you probably don't want the gui then
[14:10] <Havenstance> it was until i did the apt-get install zenbuntu-desktop
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> ok
[14:10] <Havenstance> lol
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> so it has a monitor and such
[14:10] <Havenstance> yeah it has monitor and keyboard
[14:10] <mrgoodcat> i just wanted to make sure you weren't installing the gui on a remote desktop
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> er remote server
[14:11] <Havenstance> I only use putty to run commands cuz im too lazy to setup vnc right now
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:11] <Havenstance> and far to lazy to type by hand if I don't need to
[14:11] <mrgoodcat> are you required to use winblow$ for work?
[14:12] <Havenstance> guaranteed if this works he buys the commercial version
[14:12] <Havenstance> nah I'm not required to use much of anything at all
[14:12] <Havenstance> but I use Winblows 8.1 because its just easier to run .exe files
[14:12] <Havenstance> and every computer in the building that's going to be a client to this uses it
[14:14] <Havenstance> most of my experience is with Winblows though
[14:14] <Havenstance> if this was 2008 server I'd have had it doing what I needed within hours
[14:14] <Havenstance> but he's willing to pay me to do the legwork and learn and research so im game its his money if he want's to pay for trial and error i'll learn whatever I can
[14:15] <mrgoodcat> lol good for you
[14:17] <Havenstance> Sadly, I stumbled upon this job on craigslist
[14:18] <Havenstance> he's doing all of this security, and intranet for a hardware store/gas station
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> lol
[14:20] <mrgoodcat> good for him
[14:22] <Havenstance> yeah this just got major point with me I think he's going to like how this looks. oddly I can put webmin in and let him deal with that if he wants to but most likely he'd rather use the zentyal web interface thats built in
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> what gas station has multiple WAN internet?
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> is it a drug front or something?
[14:24] <Havenstance> you know, I don't ask about that part lol
[14:24] <Havenstance> its the hardware/service center though
[14:24] <Havenstance> they have to have constant connection to use their parts system
[14:24] <mrgoodcat> but dual WAN... really?
[14:25] <Havenstance> idk lol, I think they've had problems with charters service in the past
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> from 2 different service providers
[14:25] <mrgoodcat> i'm gonna laugh when the telephone pole falls and both services go out
[15:00] <Havenstance> the phone company dsl comes from an underground line
[15:00] <Havenstance> that's why he got them too i guess
[15:01] <Havenstance> my suggestion, go with t1 or t3
[15:02] <Havenstance> he said the DSL came free with the business phone account though so thats why its there for backup
[15:02] <jrwren> t1 or t3 come from the same lines.
[15:02] <Havenstance> right but not from the cable company
[15:02] <Havenstance> either way I guess his system works lol
[15:20] <Havenstance> anyone know if there is a apt-get command to reconfigure firefox?
[15:20] <Havenstance> im getting an error saying the profile is missing or inaccessable
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: on what OS?
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> sudo dpkg-reconfigure firefox
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> just saw apt-get
[15:22] <mrgoodcat> must be ubuntu
[15:24] <Havenstance> yeah its ubuntu :)
[15:25] <Havenstance> and now it says to restart all running, but I can't find any running....
[15:25]  * Havenstance slaps ubuntu - not today lol
[15:26] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: it just says that in case you have some running
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> if firefox is open and you change any files, the ones that are currently open don't reflect the change until you close and reopen them
[15:27] <mrgoodcat> because files in linux are opened by file descriptors not by name
[15:28] <Havenstance> yeah i never told it to open
[15:28] <mrgoodcat> gedit file1; save file1; while still open rm file1; gedit file1 in new window; make changes; there are no errors. 2 files with exact same name on the filesystem
[15:28] <Havenstance> every time i try it says the profile cannot be loaded or it says its missing
[15:29] <Havenstance> but either way it never actually loads firefox
[15:29] <mrgoodcat> sudo apt-get purge firefox && sudo apt-get install firefox
[15:29] <mrgoodcat> sudo apt-get purge firefox && sudo apt-get install google-chrome
[15:29] <mrgoodcat> even better
[15:30] <Havenstance> i'll take that second one
[15:30] <mrgoodcat> if $boss asks why you changed browsers tell him mrgoodcat from the internet says hi
[15:31] <Havenstance> he won't care
[15:31] <Havenstance> im the guy setting it up i configure it how i want he never knows the difference :)
[15:32] <greg-g> yeah, I like how Google gets all my data as I browse, great feature of Chrome
[15:32] <Havenstance> plus everything we do uses chrome anyway lol
[15:32] <greg-g> :P
[15:32] <Havenstance> fyi apt-get install google-chrome failed
[15:32] <Havenstance> so i used apt-get update && apt-get install chromium-browser
[15:33] <greg-g> at least chromium is only floss code, unlike Chrome
[15:34]  * greg-g stops being the annoying guy standing next to the group talking
[15:44] <mrgoodcat> chromium is actually what i use
[15:44] <mrgoodcat> wait no
[15:44] <mrgoodcat> i use google chrome unstable
[15:45] <mrgoodcat> idc if google gets my browsing data
[15:45] <mrgoodcat> they use it to make my google services better anyways
[15:45] <mrgoodcat> at least when google gets my data it is becaused i use their service with the understanding that they're in the business of collecting my data. not like backdoor government unconstitutional bullshit
[15:46] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: sure, and just remember what the *actual* google services are. What customer support have you gotten from Goolge? The only people who get such support are advertisers, as they're the customers.
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> still don't really give a shit
[15:47] <mrgoodcat> google now is usefull
[15:47] <greg-g> fine, that's your call if you want your data shared with all those advertisers
[15:48] <greg-g> just saying the obvious that you're not the person they care about.
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> i don't care if my data was made public at google.com/mrgoodcat
[15:48] <greg-g> cool
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> i understand people that do
[15:48] <greg-g> mind dumping out your email archive?
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> and if you don't want your data shared then don't use google
[15:48] <mrgoodcat> sure
[15:51] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: this makes dumping the emails in a readable fashion easy: http://www.mhonarc.org/
[15:51] <mrgoodcat> i'll fight to the death for my right to privacy. but i also don't have to choose to excercise that right
[15:51] <greg-g> see for instance: https://public.resource.org/aaron/pub/threads.html
[15:53] <mrgoodcat> google is creating my archive right now
[15:54] <mrgoodcat> i'm interested to see what's in it actually
[15:55] <greg-g> google makes a public email archive?
[15:56] <mrgoodcat> yup
[15:56] <mrgoodcat> well not public
[15:56] <mrgoodcat> it makes an archive of your personal data so you can see what google has on you
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> even though i doubt google shares the text of my emails with advertisers, i stil want to see what's in it
[15:57] <mrgoodcat> ghey. "process could take up to 48 hours"
[15:59] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: i think you're misunderstanding me. I fully believe in my right to privacy. I just choose to allow google to have my data and use it to further their business model. without that understanding, google wouldn't have done a lot of the things it has done that make my life easier
[16:00] <mrgoodcat> time 4 lunch
[16:16] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: oh, yeah, that archive. I had it do the weekly summary of my activity.  Only now getting to look up
[17:47] <greg-g> meh
[17:47] <rick_h_> meh I can work with
[17:48] <rick_h_> so is meh > ugh ?
[17:48] <rick_h_> I want to be sure
[17:48] <greg-g> Rel Engineer who's been mostly MIA lately came back to do today's big deploy, is still mostly MIA ;)
[17:48] <greg-g> yeah, meh > ugh
[17:48] <rick_h_> lol
[17:48] <rick_h_> MIA? How does one go MIA?
[17:48] <cmaloney> meh is fixable
[17:48] <cmaloney> Ugh is a big ball of feh.
[17:48] <greg-g> MIA is kind of wrong, he's selectively MIA
[17:48] <cmaloney> And nobody wants feh
[17:49] <rick_h_> fu?
[17:49] <cmaloney> feh fu is fucked.
[17:50] <cmaloney> also: having bookie mailing list forwarded home is not conducive for me being able to reply to the list. :)
[17:50] <rick_h_> lol
[17:51] <cmaloney> was going to add that Breadability might need peeking
[17:51] <cmaloney> but the more I think about it, I don't think that's the case.
[17:56] <Havenstance> damn at the rate all of this is going I think I need to take another smoke break....
[17:57] <greg-g> oh smoke breaks, those used to be nice
[17:57] <cmaloney> heh
[17:57] <cmaloney> Only reason to take up smoking in some places
[17:58] <greg-g> I went to a 'mindfulness in parenting" thing last night. A big part was "work really hard to find those 5 minute breaks where you can do some self-work/awareness"
[17:58] <greg-g> a smoke break would do that
[17:58] <greg-g> but then harm your kid, so... nah
[17:58] <rick_h_> ugh, just take a break
[17:58] <rick_h_> yesterday just paced my driveway a bit
[17:58] <rick_h_> this 40+ degree weather is nice!
[17:58] <greg-g> I'm mostly joking re smoke break, but I did smoke when I was a camp counselor
[17:59] <greg-g> rick_h_: yeah, that helps
[17:59] <rick_h_> my parents smoked and hated them for it so I'm a strong hater sorry
[17:59] <greg-g> no worries, totally appreciate
[17:59] <brousch> rick_h_: We have a guy/kid down the street who is always pacing back and forth in his yard/driveway. I think he is insane
[17:59] <Havenstance> yeah I usually only smoke at work far away from my kiddo
[17:59] <greg-g> my dad smoked, quit when I was born (but not when my older sister was)
[18:00] <greg-g> then he gained a lot of weight :/
[18:00] <Havenstance> I really probably don't even smoke enough to call myself a smoker
[18:00] <Havenstance> I go through a pack a week
[18:00] <greg-g> 3/day
[18:00] <Havenstance> roughly
[18:00] <greg-g> (for those who don't know the quantity of smokes in a pack)
[18:01] <Havenstance> and I don't smoke on Saturday and Sunday at all
[18:01] <Havenstance> I only do it at work because it gets me out of the office for 5-7 minutes depending on if i have 100s or not lol
[18:01] <rick_h_> brousch: cool, I'm aiming for the crazy old man on the block thing
[18:01] <greg-g> rick_h_: :) :)
[18:02] <greg-g> Havenstance: you can just go out for a walk :)
[18:02] <Havenstance> yeah but everyone congregates around the ashtray LOL
[18:02] <Havenstance> and I'm a social person by default
[18:02] <Havenstance> that and I used to smoke a pack and a half to two packs a day for 10 years
[18:02] <Havenstance> "Working" on quitting
[18:03] <Havenstance> i told the wife a few months ago that when the snow was gone I was going to quit
[18:03] <Havenstance> so soon as it melts up here im done
[18:05] <cmaloney> My dad smoked a pipe when I was growing up
[18:05] <Havenstance> i thought about doing that, but i couldn't smoke a pipe and have it be tobacco in the pipe so thats out
[18:05] <greg-g> lol
[18:06] <Havenstance> reminds me too much of my younger years :)
[18:06] <cmaloney> I flirted with smoking when I was at college and when I worked at Meijer. But I was one of those folks who could make a pack of cigarettes last a week.
[18:06] <Havenstance> cmaloney, i am one of those now lol
[18:06] <cmaloney> Probably got more second-hand smoke than I did while smoking. :)
[18:07] <cmaloney> Cool, got the "Debt: The first 5K years" book on hold at the library.
[18:08] <greg-g> cmaloney: yay
[18:08] <greg-g> cmaloney: as I warned jrwren, he needed a more active editor, he repeats himself a bit, so be wary of that, but the content is otherwise good
[18:11] <cmaloney> yeah, I gathered it was more of a self-published affair. :)
[18:13] <jrwren> cmaloney: http://surveillance23.bandcamp.com/  nice.
[18:14] <jrwren> i didn't realize it when you posted it yesterday. I've had this album on my phone for a couple weeks :)
[18:14] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, I figured I was late to the party.
[18:14] <cmaloney> I stumbled upon it.
[18:15] <greg-g> TIL: cmaloney uses lame browser extensions to find web content :P
[18:15] <jrwren> oh no, not late at all. I love good music recommendations.
[18:15] <jrwren> oh man, the Debt: The first 5k years, I got about 1/3 the way through, and got bored. its written in 3 parts, so I'll have to pick it up again and read part 2 :)
[18:16] <jrwren> That book changed my view on some things.
[18:16] <greg-g> ditto
[18:17] <mrgoodcat> so many commercial. i've seen more hundais in the last 2 hours than i've seen on the road all year
[18:19] <jrwren> lolz
[18:34] <Havenstance> lol
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> lost the first game of the month
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> that can't be good luck
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> ohio state sucks at sportball
[18:34] <Havenstance> mrgoodcat, so i put that zentyal on here installed the packages
[18:34] <mrgoodcat> nice
[18:38] <greg-g> wait, what season? baseball?
[18:38] <cmaloney> Basketball
[18:38] <greg-g> that just started? oh, college...
[18:38] <brousch> hockeyball
[18:39] <greg-g> brousch: isn't that called "broomball"?
[18:39] <brousch> Isn't that what they call curling?
[18:39] <brousch> Too many sports!
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> broomball is like hockey but played with brooms instead of sticks and in shoes on ice
[18:41] <mrgoodcat> also known as "fuck my hip hurts"
[18:43] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: that
[18:43] <greg-g> :)
[18:44] <rick_h_> well, doesn't address the "I don't trust google" stuff but <3 http://r.bmark.us/u/48216a6ec69c32
[18:44] <mrgoodcat> i trust google significantly more than i trust the government
[18:44] <greg-g> that's cool, and boy is that a sexy pic
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> have you read up on the iMessage protocol?
[18:45] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: there one and the same ;)
[18:45] <greg-g> revolving door and all that :)
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> if they aren't lying about how it's done it's actually pretty cool tech
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> well application of tech anyways
[18:45] <greg-g> btw, any php devs still in here?
[18:45] <mrgoodcat> they didn't exactly pioneer public key crypto
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> greg-g: php--
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> did you see the new "hack" language from facebook?
[18:46] <rick_h_> greg-g: widox
[18:46] <greg-g> some projects that started 10 years ago can't afford a rewrite :)
[18:46] <mrgoodcat> yea i know
[18:46] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: that's what I was going to mention!
[18:46] <greg-g> https://code.facebook.com/posts/264544830379293/hack-a-new-programming-language-for-hhvm/
[18:47] <mrgoodcat> and rewriting to hack is apparently supposed to be pretty easy from php
[18:47] <greg-g> we're (Wikimedia Foundation) are in the process of moving to hhvm, so this might be a next good thing to do
[18:47] <greg-g> mrgoodcat: s/<?php/<?hh/
[18:48] <greg-g> widox: take a look at hack, static typed php
[18:48] <mrgoodcat> we were just talking about this at chc
[18:48] <mrgoodcat> time to go to class
[19:26] <brousch> This is hilarious http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/why-cant-i-create-a-folder-with-name/23c86662-4988-4c7d-9c2d-3e33d4413de3
[19:29] <cmaloney> It's stuff like this that make me glad I'm not a Windows developer
[19:49] <Havenstance> ROFL
[19:54] <mrgoodcat> that is awesome
[19:55] <Havenstance> teach him to create a folder called m0r0n
[19:55] <mrgoodcat> its shit like this microsoft
[19:58] <Havenstance> shit like that makes me want to die laughing
[19:58] <Havenstance> But then again that user is proably to windows like I am to linux
[20:01] <Havenstance> s/proably/probably
[20:10] <mrgoodcat> did you know you can't make a file named con?
[20:14] <widox> greg-g: huh
[20:17] <widox> types in my php, screw that. I love chaos. :p
[20:21] <greg-g> hah
[20:23] <jrwren> it is pretty nuts that windows still has that legacy filenames.
[20:23] <widox> greg-g: are you already running production on hhvm?
[20:23] <jrwren> Windows hasn't been dos for a long time.
[20:27] <greg-g> widox: no, not in production yet, we're in the process of adding it to our 'beta' environment (ie: the thing that looks kinda like production, only it's on OpenStack virtualized hosts, and it gets it's code updated with every commit to master) as a "if you have this manually set cookie it'll use hhvm"
[20:27] <greg-g> ..for that request.
[20:28] <jrwren> huh... crazy.
[20:28] <jrwren> how the heck are you going to implement that?
[20:28]  * Havenstance2 salutes mrgoodcat your solution earlier worked like a charm
[20:28] <jrwren> web server reading your cookies before passing to fcgid?
[20:30] <greg-g> jrwren: not sure :)
[20:30]  * greg-g isn't in that group
[20:33] <mrgoodcat> Havenstance: glad to hear
[20:33] <Havenstance> still checking it out but it looks like its assigned by DHCP
[20:33] <Havenstance> im using this machine through it now :)
[20:33] <mrgoodcat> nice
[20:34] <mrgoodcat> it has cool firewall options too
[20:34] <Havenstance> it has literally a TON of options
[20:34] <mrgoodcat> and if you really get into it you can mangle packets and do things like deep packet inspection
[20:35] <mrgoodcat> we use ours at work to intercept all emails and scan attachments for viruses and forward them on without anybody ever knowing
[20:35] <Havenstance> really we wanted to put wireshark in to see what websites were being accessed but this looks like its already got that in it its just a matter of configuring it
[20:58] <Havenstance> afk for the night be back tomorrow
[21:35] <greg-g> jrwren: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54173
[21:36] <rick_h_> cookie feature flags, crazy
[21:37] <greg-g> just for testing purposes
[21:40] <rick_h_> yea, we just use localstorage or url hacking
[21:40] <rick_h_> simple, but yea can't keep people from doing it so mcuh
[21:40] <rick_h_> not that a cookie can either
[21:40] <rick_h_> but interesting
[21:51] <mrgoodcat> cmaloney: made that plugin system without exec http://hastebin.com/girigigusu.py
[21:52] <greg-g> rick_h_: I'm not sure why that, we use url hacking most of the time as well
[21:52] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: AWesome!
[21:53] <mrgoodcat> its pretty basic. i didn't get much time to spend on it today
[21:53] <mrgoodcat> but its a start
[21:54] <mrgoodcat> time for class
[22:15] <gamerchick02> good luck in class
[22:53] <cmaloney> Love t: small change to busy busy bugs gave it infinite levels and a hair more difficulty.
[22:54] <cmaloney> I <3 game programming
[22:56] <gamerchick02> :)
[23:26] <jrwren> greg-g: thanks for the link
[23:27] <jrwren> i still think apache routing based on cookie is a little nuts... but I like nuts :)
[23:27] <greg-g> so do we :)
[23:28] <jrwren> I don't know of a way to do it other thank a reverse proxy mod rewrite rule.
[23:29] <jrwren> but that is still a rewrite, which means different url paths which isn't what you want.
[23:29] <jrwren> its a facinating problem.
[23:31] <jrwren> greg-g: is your regular php via mod_php or via fastcgi?
[23:32] <jrwren> this raises all kinds of curiosity in me.
[23:33] <jrwren> can i config apache to change handlers based on other things, like source ip address or http request headers :)
[23:33] <greg-g> I... should know but don't
[23:34] <jrwren> I had to look it up
[23:34] <greg-g> but: https://git.wikimedia.org/tree/operations%2Fpuppet.git
[23:34] <greg-g> it's all there
[23:34] <greg-g> (except passwords/ssl keys)
[23:35] <jrwren> its hard to read apache <if> in a sea of puppet <% if
[23:35] <greg-g> hah, yeah
[23:35] <greg-g> one of our devs wrote an apache rewrite DSL
[23:36] <greg-g> I think I told you that already, actually
[23:37] <jrwren> looks like <if "%{REMOTE_ADDR} -ipmatch '<IP_ADDRESS>/31'"> SetHandler php<else>SetHandler fcgid</if>
[23:37] <jrwren> would do it.
[23:37] <jrwren> facinating
[23:37] <jrwren> i vaguely recall that.
[23:39] <jrwren> no cookie variables https://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/expr.html#vars
[23:39] <jrwren> which is a bummer.
[23:39] <jrwren> or even request header variables
[23:46] <jrwren> i supposed you could write an apache module to create cookie variables and use those with <If>


[00:22] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I haz 4G on my oneplus one with ubuntu touch :D
[00:23] <tathhu> :o
[00:27] <mariogrip> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/V1manCIm/IMG_20151010_022716.jpg
[00:33] <ahoneybun> NICE
[00:33] <ahoneybun> does it work mariogrip
[00:33] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:33] <mariogrip> YES!
[00:33] <mariogrip> did u get my text?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> no?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[00:36] <ahoneybun> I did not mariogrip
[00:38] <ahoneybun> are all the changes push mariogrip?
[00:38] <ahoneybun> *pushed
[00:40] <mariogrip> yeah, they are pushed to the system image server. git doing that now
[00:46] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: are the icons set to 3 columns or 4?
[00:46] <ahoneybun> - - - - ; - - -
[00:47] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: 5 :P (due to the gui grid is wrong)
[00:47] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:48] <ahoneybun> is that fixable on your end?
[00:48] <mariogrip> yes
[00:48] <ahoneybun> screenshots mariogrip please!
[00:48] <mariogrip> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B74IZ6Q2msPDMU5IX0hZTC1JT0E/view?usp=sharing
[00:49] <tathhu> you really shot the screen :P
[00:49] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: you should summit this to the UWNL
[00:50] <mariogrip> what is that?
[00:50] <mariogrip> tathhu: xP
[00:50] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[00:50] <mariogrip> ah, yeah
[00:51]  * ahoneybun did it
[00:51] <ahoneybun> well poped the screenshot in #ubuntu-news
[00:51] <ahoneybun> they like to have a blog post or something
[00:52] <mariogrip> awesome :D
[00:54] <ahoneybun> I don't think I can move to Ubuntu Touch till we get a native twitter client XD
[00:56] <mariogrip> xP
[00:56] <ahoneybun> bbl
[00:58] <mariogrip> my server got around 2k requests every Hour....
[00:58] <mariogrip> today
[01:11] <tathhu> What, isn't webapp enough :P
[01:31] <mariogrip> the twitter webapp is pretty good to be an webapp.
[01:32] <mariogrip> *missing native twitter client----Make one xD*
[01:59] <ahoneybun> nope nope nope
[01:59] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: your on softpedia
[01:59] <mariogrip> I know :D
[01:59] <ahoneybun> http://news.softpedia.com/news/oneplus-one-with-ubuntu-touch-just-got-cellular-support-494224.shtml
[01:59] <ahoneybun> XD
[02:00] <ahoneybun> where the hell is your name
[02:00] <mariogrip> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/f68wReF8/IMG_20151010_040023.jpg
[02:01] <mariogrip> looks like i have no name :P
[02:01] <mariogrip> but, how do that look? 4 in row
[02:02] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: ^
[02:02] <ahoneybun> looks better then 5 and wayyyy better then 3 lol
[02:02] <mariogrip> Yeah
[02:03] <ahoneybun> darn N4 has 3 lol
[02:03] <ahoneybun> I'm SO tempted to flash it now
[02:04] <ahoneybun> I still need bluetooth and the camera
[02:04] <ahoneybun> XD
[02:04] <mariogrip> yeah, you should probably wait then or multirom :)
[02:04] <ahoneybun> mm
[02:05] <ahoneybun> never used multirom
[02:05] <ahoneybun> I'll wait
[02:05] <mariogrip> yeah
[02:05] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: write a quick blog post and I'll throw it on the UWNL
[02:05] <ahoneybun> !
[02:06] <mariogrip> can we do it tomorrow? it's 4AM here xP I have to find my bed i think
[02:06] <ahoneybun> yea yea np
[02:06] <mariogrip> cya
[02:06] <ahoneybun> night
[02:06] <ahoneybun>  /moring
[02:07] <mariogrip> xP
[02:25]  * OerHeks posts a reply with 'the developers name mariogrip'
[02:26] <ahoneybun> thanks OerHeks
[02:27] <OerHeks> i am waiting for approval. but that should not be that hard.
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-convergent-ubuntu-phone-music-app-on-the-ubuntu-linux-desktop-494246.shtml
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> nice1 popey
[05:11] <dragos> can u guys help me? i have a relally big problem
[05:16] <dragos> please help me
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> dragos: best to ask your issue in the channel
[05:28] <dragos> im trying to port ubuntu touch to s4 active but breakfast command wont work. im using ubuntu 14.04
[05:33] <dragos> lotuspsychje
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> dragos: idle here some more until devs waking up mate
[05:42] <dragos> oh
[05:42] <dragos> ...
[05:42] <dragos> but do u know anything about the breakfast command on ubuntu 14.04?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> no sorry
[05:43] <dragos> oh
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> im just a happy touch user
[05:43] <dragos> on what device?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> dragos: nexus7 and Bq 4.5
[05:43] <dragos> oh ...
[05:43] <dragos> unity 8 windowed mode on ubuntu touch
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> dragos: did you try the >XDA forums for your device?
[05:44] <dragos> yeaa
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> ok then better idle here
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> until devs wake up
[05:44] <dragos> what is the time at you?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> 7h45
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> but we have devs all over the globe here
[05:45] <dragos> are u in europe?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> yes
[05:46] <dragos> in what country?
[05:46] <dragos> im in romania
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> belgium
[05:47] <dragos> oh ok...
[05:48] <dragos> do u know any devs?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> they all here mate
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> just wait n idle
[05:49] <dragos> oy mate.. thnx m8
[09:36] <monkeyslut> hullo
[09:37] <monkeyslut> doess anyone here know a good place to keep an eye on the status of Ubuntu Touch? I'm wondering about stuff like tehtering & such..
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> monkeyslut: idle here
[11:11] <tathhu> mariogrip ahoneybun i'd use webapp with "full" support than real app with not-so-good-API.. (that's what I did on mny Jolla so lol)
[11:11] <tathhu> lotuspsychje, do you got landscape lockscreen on n7?
[12:44] <slo> any apps that would auto-upload my photos to OwnCloud/OneDrive/Dropbox... ?
[14:54] <mcphail> slo: Not at the momemnt, I think. All sync apps need some degree of manual intervention
[15:55] <danielbrazilian> Hello everyone, i was talking to some friends about ubuntu touch, and there were this discussion about programming apps only in html5 and QML, why limiting to marked language?
[15:56] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: the QML apps can be extended using javascript and C++
[15:56] <danielbrazilian> want to make something different?
[15:56] <danielbrazilian> yes
[15:56] <danielbrazilian> is java not a plan?
[15:57] <danielbrazilian> now everyone thing that every OS must have java on it
[15:57] <danielbrazilian> i personally don't like emulation
[15:57] <tathhu> no.
[15:57] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: I really want python
[15:57] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: are you a canonical dev?
[15:57] <jnxd> nope
[15:58] <ahayzen> jnxd, you can do python IIRC
[15:58] <jnxd> ahayzen: really? how?
[15:58] <ahayzen> but like you have to bundle the libs in the click
[15:58] <ahayzen> there is probably a blog entry somewhere
[15:58] <jnxd> hmm
[16:01] <danielbrazilian> i have watched the Q and A on youtube, they talked about not using android base anymore, do you know why?
[16:02] <danielbrazilian> i guess it is because the new phones are to come and they will not come originally with android base anymore...
[16:02] <ahayzen> jnxd, checkbox-touch apparently uses python with qml/js which sounds interesting https://launchpad.net/checkbox-converged
[16:03] <tathhu> danielbrazilian, maybe because there will be devices with linux drivers? dunnoö
[16:03] <tathhu> -ö
[16:03] <danielbrazilian> ohh that sounds interesting
[16:04] <danielbrazilian> can proprietary drivers be added to linux kernel?
[16:05] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: there's a bit of legalese involved, but the bottom line is practically yes. that happens all the time
[16:07] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: does it mean android hal could be inside kernel? or i'm being dumb?
[16:07] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: Dunno about you, but I'm too dumb to answer that :D
[16:07] <danielbrazilian> haha
[16:09] <danielbrazilian> there have been always a problem when trying to port a new device to cyanogenmod for example, because of the hal not being provided or closed source
[16:10] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: wondering how there still are so many cyanogenmod roms available despite that!
[16:10] <danielbrazilian> so i "wanted to imagine" this wouldn't be a problem to Ubuntu touch :p
[16:11] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: ubuntu-touch is a whole other level of different
[16:11] <dragos> ubuntu touch 13.04 terminal?
[16:12] <danielbrazilian> is it similar to ubuntu for arm devices?
[16:12] <dragos> how can i upgrade ubuntu touch 13.04 to ubuntu touch 14.04?
[16:12] <danielbrazilian> dragos: how did you install it on your phone?
[16:13] <dragos> oh i have a tablet
[16:13] <dragos> and i use cwm
[16:13] <danielbrazilian> did you use android to install it?
[16:13] <jnxd> dragos: nexus 7 then?
[16:13] <dragos> p3110
[16:14] <danielbrazilian> dragos: i used this app on android to install mine https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr&hl=en
[16:14] <danielbrazilian> dragos: but i have updated though ubuntu touch settings
[16:15] <dragos> but i cant see sistem setting on ubuntu touch 13.04
[16:15] <danielbrazilian> dragos: you tried and it is stuck or you don't know where it is?
[16:15] <dragos> i just have ubuntu touch 13.04
[16:15] <danielbrazilian> oh
[16:15] <dragos> on tablet
[16:16] <dragos> and i dont know how to upgrade
[16:16] <danielbrazilian> no system settings them?
[16:17] <jnxd> dragos: seems like the guys who ported it did it only till 13.04
[16:17] <jnxd> dragos: you might want to try porting by yourself, through that guide
[16:18] <dragos> oh..
[16:18] <dragos> can u guys help me port?
[16:19] <jnxd> dragos: Unfortunately I've never done anything like that
[16:19] <dragos> oh..
[16:20] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: where is this guide?
[16:20] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[16:21] <dragos> pleae can someone halp me?
[16:22] <danielbrazilian> dragos: even if you port it something might break
[16:22] <danielbrazilian> dragos: i'd rather go back to android stock or CyanogenMod
[16:23] <dragos> i really need ubuntu touch
[16:23] <danielbrazilian> dont have another device that runs it?
[16:25] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: when i turn off my ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 the battery drains when it is turned off, you know what it can be?
[16:25] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: it is like it is still on, but it is not :S
[16:25] <dragos> no
[16:26] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: that is rather wierd
[16:26] <jnxd> can you go back to android/cm and confirm it doesn't happen there?
[16:27] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: yes i have another android custom rom, i'm running in dual boot
[16:28] <dragos> can u help me?
[16:29] <jnxd> so, when you turn it off from android side, does it behave normally?
[16:29] <danielbrazilian> dragos: i don't know how to port it, i have only compiled android roms, never messed around with ubuntu touch.
[16:30] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i think it stays normal, but i do need to make sure
[16:30] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: just so you don't get your hopes up, I am only trying to rule out the possibility of the battery having gotten old
[16:30] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: it was not happening before i installed ubuntu touch
[16:30] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: have you dual booted before?
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: yes i have
[16:31] <jnxd> with?
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> to test aospa, ownrom, cm
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> and ubuntu touch
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> it worked well before
[16:32] <jnxd> ...and only ubuntu touch is having troubles?
[16:32] <dragos> oh
[16:32] <danielbrazilian> everything says so
[16:33] <dragos> how can i install apps from sd card on ubuntu touch
[16:34] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: for example, i just turned off now from ubuntu, then i want to turn back on to android, it won turn on streigh away, it stays like off
[16:35] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: so, it stays off fr longer. well, the possibility I was imagining is ruled out
[16:36] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i am using devel-proposed/ubuntu
[16:36] <danielbrazilian> could be that
[16:36] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: in that case, just wait a while. It might get better
[16:37] <danielbrazilian> there is a new update here, i will try it
[16:38] <danielbrazilian> now i tuned off android
[16:38] <tathhu> Is ~whatever is latest on rc-proposed~ same as ota7?
[16:39] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: and tried to boot back again, it went straight away
[16:39] <danielbrazilian> so i imagine something is holding the system to be on
[16:39] <danielbrazilian> on ubuntu
[16:40] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: I wonder why someone from canonical isn't interfering yet
[16:40] <danielbrazilian> it is draining peoples battery and no one knows it
[16:42] <jnxd> mhall119: could you point danielbrazilian to someone who might know about his problem?
[16:42] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: perhaps because people rarely switch off their tablets and phones anyway
[16:44] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: yeah i know, i switch mine off every time though
[16:44] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: also, people rarely use nexus 7 with ubuntu anyway
[16:45] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: true, but how is this update done? no one maintains it anymore, just a robot autobuilding it?
[16:46] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: as it is open source, do we have a github page where we can see changes?
[16:46] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: well, it'd be on github, but I don't know which one
[16:48] <jnxd> popey: balloons: could anyone of you point danielbrazilian to someone who might know about his problem?
[16:49] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: as such, I think even if they (get to) know about it, it'll have quite a low priority.
[16:50] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: can you test by putting just ubuntu, no dual boot?
[16:52] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i don't know how to install only ubuntu, shoud i just flash via terminal?
[16:52] <danielbrazilian> i know android stuff
[16:52] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: I dunno. I'm actually not even sure if it'll work
[16:55] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: there's this, if you're in https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[16:56] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i was checking that, but do you know if you keep the custom recovery?
[16:56] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: no clue
[16:57] <dragos> can i install ubuntu touch apps on anroid?
[16:57] <tathhu> danielbrazilian, nope
[16:59] <danielbrazilian> tathhu: thanks, so if i want custom android back i should install recovery again?
[16:59] <tathhu> yep
[16:59] <tathhu> take a nandroid backup first :P
[16:59] <danielbrazilian> the instalation process looks very simple
[16:59] <tathhu> then just flash cwm/whatever and restore it
[16:59] <dragos> can u help me?
[16:59] <tathhu> should be just it
[16:59] <danielbrazilian> tathhu: thanks
[17:00] <tathhu> danielbrazilian, can't remember if I had to flash factory image first and then custom recovery and then custom rom but
[17:02] <tathhu> well you can't brick it so.. :P
[17:02] <danielbrazilian> tathhu: i think if i flash recovery and make a full wipe, then flash rom.zip plus gapps.zip might do
[17:52] <ogra_> danielbrazilian, nothing stops you to ship a jvm (or any other interpreter) inside your click package, makingyour UI bits talk to the Mir displayserver might be tricky though if you dont use Qt/QML for the frontend bits
[17:54] <ogra_> (technically you could even ship dalvik in your package if you wanted and ship a surfaceflinger->Mir translator you would have to write to make android apps work .... practically thats a lot of work and indeed results in a gigantic package)
[17:55] <mcphail> A wine-like surfaceflinger->Mir framework would be awesome
[17:55] <ogra_> to run arm windows apps ?
[17:55] <mcphail> No, to facilitate android apps
[17:56] <mcphail> Similar to how wine translates directX
[17:57] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: i like not to use java on ubuntu touch or android apps compatibility, jvm eats a lot of memory
[17:57] <ogra_> sure, i'm just saying it isnt impossible :) ... weather it would be worth the work at all is another question
[17:58] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: just a couple of friends thought it was "stupid" to use marked language to make apps wasn't a good idea
[17:58] <danielbrazilian> ogra_:  they're probably just rude i dont know
[17:58] <tathhu> can i ship livestreamer with my click and then just... do something magic with it? :o
[17:59] <ogra_> i personally like that i can write a native app fro ubuntu in vi within 15min ... its not harder than writing a webpage
[17:59] <ogra_> tathhu, under the restrictions of the app lifecacle you can
[17:59] <ogra_> *lifecycle
[17:59] <ogra_> (your stream woulld stop if the app isnt focused etc)
[18:00] <tathhu> ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[18:00] <tathhu> amazing
[18:00] <tathhu> :P
[18:00] <tathhu> time to learn how to do magic :P
[18:00] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: i'm learning html5 so i got really interested of ubuntu touch so i guessed i could make some app
[18:01] <ogra_> yeah, writing apps is really easy
[18:04] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: some people think it would be better if ubuntu touch had android compatibility apps, it would be easier to bring users but
[18:04] <danielbrazilian> i think it would be laggy
[18:04] <tathhu> yeah, and then there would be even less native apps
[18:04] <tathhu> "lol we could just upload this .apk"
[18:05] <tathhu> but then there would be apps :D damn
[18:05] <danielbrazilian> it wouldnt make sence to create a new OS based on android
[18:05] <ogra_> danielbrazilian, well, probably not even laggy ... but the security models of the two systems to not match, the input models are different etc etc ... even if this was enabled it would be a fairly bad user experience
[18:06] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: yeah, and i don't think all android apps would work just fine
[18:06] <ogra_> example: ubuntu doesnt have a back button
[18:06] <ogra_> you would have any way to go back in your android app
[18:06] <danielbrazilian> look at sailfish os
[18:07] <danielbrazilian> yes
[18:07] <ogra_> the ubuntu security model wouldnt allow the app any HW access without you developing a massive integration layer to get the trust service enabled for the apps
[18:08] <ogra_> so after all you would have unthemed apps that have nothing more than network access and dont let you go backwards in the UI
[18:09] <ogra_> and for making this (broken) level work i'd estimate 6 months of work for an experienced programmer
[18:10] <ogra_> (full time ... not as a hobbyist project that is)
[18:10] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: that could be a lot of waste of money
[18:10] <ogra_> yep
[18:11] <danielbrazilian> i think ubuntu touch should improve its mobile compatibility apps or maybe the companies
[18:12] <danielbrazilian> mobile app like facebook runs very well and i like it
[18:12] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: it is just like a mobile version of the browser running facebook right?
[18:12] <ogra_> yep
[18:13] <danielbrazilian> that was the best idea to bring some apps quicker
[18:15] <danielbrazilian> but then the chicken and egg thing, people are waiting for more apps to come to ubuntu, and companies like whatsapp waiting for more users come to ubuntu...
[19:19] <mcphail> popey: If you're around just now and have a > 14.04 machine handy, can you check an MTP issue for me?
[19:20] <mcphail> I can't send music files with a "?" in the name to the phone
[19:21] <mcphail> Don't know if it has been fixed in vivid/wily so don't know whether to file a bug
[19:28] <popey> will have to check a bit later, dr who time :)
[19:28] <mcphail> :)


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[23:27] <len-dt> ailo, if you have time, take a quick look at my midi timing message to the list.
[23:28] <len-dt> I don't seem to be getting the problems I expected.


[08:58] <Madpilot> so, does this whole "Iceweasel" stupidity mean that someone has to go thru our docs for Edgy with "s/Firefox/Iceweasel"?
[09:01] <mdke_> what is the outcome of that?
[09:01] <mdke_> they're changing the name?
[09:01] <Madpilot> Debian is, because MozCorp is being shirty about their trademarsk
[09:01] <Madpilot> trademarks, even
[09:02] <mdke_> and is Ubuntu going to too?
[09:02] <Madpilot> apparently
[09:02] <mdke_> blimey
[09:02] <Madpilot> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 <-- original Deb bug report
[09:02] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 354622 in firefox "Using Firefox as the app name without official branding is still" [Serious,Open]
[09:03] <Madpilot> http://lwn.net/Articles/200301/ <-- scroll down to "The Return of Iceweasel"
[09:03] <mdke_> what did mdz say about it?
[09:03] <poningru> uh...
[09:04] <poningru> frack
[09:04] <poningru> hold on
[09:04] <poningru> we are not changing the name btw
[09:04] <poningru> looking for the log
[09:04] <poningru> hold on
[09:05] <poningru> ouch
[09:05] <mdke_> is mdz leaving btw? I saw a job advert which disturbed me
[09:05] <poningru> arr?
[09:06] <poningru> Oct 05 03:14:11 <iwj> mdz: So just to be clear, I should arrange for it to be called `firefox' unless I hear from you otherwise ?
[09:06] <mdke_> http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-0d9f9070bb7c0217fde8142f9d5aed03f3e75554
[09:07] <poningru> wtf
[09:08] <Burgundavia> hmm
[09:08] <Burgundavia> interesting
[09:09] <Burgundavia> I don't think that is a replacement for mdz
[09:09] <Burgundavia> remember, mdz is CTO
[09:09] <poningru> hmm true
[09:09] <poningru> perhaps he will move toward more managerial, than hands on?
[09:10] <mdke_> yes, that sounds exactly right
[09:11] <poningru> can someone from the doc team ask mdz regarding the firefox issue?
[09:11] <Burgundavia> that might even be someone to work under mdz
[09:11] <mdke_> poningru: yes, we can do that
[09:12] <poningru> nn all /me goes off to sleep
[09:12] <Burgundavia> I need to sleep as well
[09:13] <Burgundavia> mdke_: I seriously doubt if Ubuntu will change the name
[09:13] <Burgundavia> however, we might have to ship the official logo
[09:13] <mdke_> Burgundavia: I agree that it would be odd
[09:13] <mdke_> I'm not going to worry about it
[09:14] <Burgundavia> well, the doc team pretty much dropped the ball with this release
[09:14] <Burgundavia> right after being praised by Mark so heavily
[09:15] <mdke_> we'll just have to make sure the next one is really good
[09:15] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:15] <Burgundavia> I love Mako last night: "Dapper wasn't dapper and Edgy isn't edgy"
[09:20] <mdke_> haha
[09:20] <mdke_> so, if I suggest changing the translation mechanism for the next release, please kill me
[09:40] <mdke_> last firefox changelog - "Change application name to `Firefox', as requested by mdz."
[09:41] <mdke> nixternal: around?
[09:41] <nixternal> ya
[09:41] <mdke> nixternal: got a moment to talk through some translation stuff?
[09:42] <nixternal> sure
[09:42] <mdke> ok. Things are a bit complicated
[09:42] <mdke> we made a small change to the toolchain, which has really mucked stuff up
[09:43] <nixternal> i kind of seen you laughing at yourself last night about it
[09:43] <mdke> fortunately, Danilo has written us a script which fixes the problem, but it needs to be included in the translate.sh script
[09:43] <mdke> brb, phone
[09:43] <nixternal> k
[09:45] <mdke> ok. So I've tested the script so far on about-ubuntu, and I think we should give it a bit more testing on more complicated docs
[09:46] <nixternal> i can grab some of the kubuntu or xubuntu translations, and try it out on a desktop guide
[09:46] <mdke> I've put it in teamstuff/replace-whatever-its-name-is.py
[09:46] <mdke> if you fancy trying it, that would be cool. Let's take it easy, no immediate rush, and we will get it right
[09:47] <nixternal> without a doubt
[09:47] <mdke> you can see its use in ubuntu/aboutubuntu/translate.sh, the key is that you need a line like that for each xml file
[09:47] <mdke> I'll test it on the ubuntu desktopguide and you have a go with kubuntu desk, and we'll compare notes and see if stuff works
[09:47] <nixternal> ok..i just grabbed the recent svn updates you did...i will look that over
[09:48] <nixternal> ahh 'teamstuff/replace-doctype-with.py
[09:48] <nixternal> i see it
[09:55] <mdke> nixternal: I will try and do some more testing tomorrow, I need to do some other stuff too so I'll get back to you :) thanks a lot for helping
[09:55] <nixternal> no problem, have fun!
[09:55] <nixternal> ;)
[10:35] <nixternal> mdke: no hurry or nothing, but with the Edubuntu Handbook, would it be ok to add the handbook into the structure?  right now the current handbook doesn't build as it is rather unstructured, but I am working on that..
[10:35] <mdke> nixternal: which structure? into the repo?
[10:35] <nixternal> what i could do as it is worked on in their repo, move it into ours, and work on getting it to validate and build correctly..event ually
[10:35] <nixternal> oh you are here ;)
[10:35] <nixternal> well, their current structure isn't there..they are just building docbook files
[10:36] <nixternal> i am trying to set their svn up to mimic ours, so if it gets moved over, there will be minimal work on our part
[10:36] <nixternal> i recently provided a little structure on their svn server...getting their stuff to validate is giong to be a task right now since it is rather juvenile
[10:38] <LaserJock> nixternal: fine, I'm here :p
[10:38] <nixternal> hehe
[10:38] <mdke> do they want it to be in ours?
[10:38] <nixternal> eventually, yes
[10:39] <nixternal> I think it belongs in a more stable repo myself, as you never know what may happen with HedgeMages domain or what not
[10:39] <LaserJock> well
[10:40] <LaserJock> the Edubuntu doc people need to get with it and get there stuff in the doc team repo
[10:40] <LaserJock> this is making me tired and cranky
[10:41] <LaserJock> there's no reason the edubuntu/ dir should not be used
[10:41] <nixternal> sorry for dragging you in this LaserJock
[10:41] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:41] <LaserJock> np
[10:41] <LaserJock> it needs to be done
[10:41] <nixternal> but you are more Edubuntu then I am
[10:42] <nixternal> I just want to help them get everything situatied and rocking
[10:42] <LaserJock> unfortunately jerome and I have had lots going on
[10:42] <LaserJock> yes, please do
[10:42] <LaserJock> get it to were it can go into our repo
[10:42] <nixternal> that is why i have stepped up since i have a little more time available as well
[10:42] <nixternal> ok, i will continue doing what I am doing then
[10:42] <LaserJock> and then commit it
[10:42] <LaserJock> just put it in
[10:42] <nixternal> and when it is ready for our repo, then i will go forward as long as the ok is there from mdke
[10:42] <LaserJock> you can harm anything by putting docs into edubuntu/
[10:43] <LaserJock> *can't
[10:43] <nixternal> im sure i can harm something ;)
[10:45] <mdke> if they are keen to work with us, sounds good
[10:46] <mdke> we should be able to help with validation and building after it is in there
[10:46] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd rather them put stuff in the repo, even if it isn't complete
[10:46] <LaserJock> then more people can have a look
[10:47] <nixternal> so move into the ubuntu doc repo now and validate later then?
[10:48] <LaserJock> I would like that
[10:48] <nixternal> with that, then we will need to setup svn accounts for 1 or 2 of them
[10:48] <LaserJock> I've not even seen the docs
[10:48] <nixternal> LTSP is the only thing with some meat to it that I can see right now
[10:48] <LaserJock> well, we can start by manually updating or sending patches
[10:48] <nixternal> they are all still .xml.old as they haven't been converted from Cookbook to Handbook
[10:48] <LaserJock> I'd just like to see *something*
[10:48] <nixternal> I will run that across pygi and hedge then
[10:48] <nixternal> or you can if you can persuade them ;)
[10:51] <mdke> nixternal: we'll need to see some of their work before adding commit accounts
[10:51] <nixternal> hehe
[10:51] <nixternal> i can link you to their svn if you want to look
[10:52] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[10:52] <nixternal> the .xml is all them so far...
[10:52] <nixternal> hiya jjesse, didn't even see you pop in
[10:52] <mdke> ok, but you say the xml is a bit dodgy?
[10:52] <jjesse> just did
[10:52] <nixternal> right now it is
[10:52] <mdke> why aren't they writing it in a wiki?
[10:52] <nixternal> they started the cookbook on the wiki...and then they changed from the cookbook to the handbook..that is my understanding
[10:53] <nixternal> i have only recently jumped in over there since jerome and jordan are so busy
[10:53] <jjesse> is that edubuntu
[10:53] <nixternal> ya
[10:53] <LaserJock> they went from wiki to docbook before the wiki->docbook converter was working
[10:53] <nixternal> there you go ;)
[10:54] <mdke> oh well
[10:54] <nixternal> right now they have a bunch of .xml.old files which are xml, but from the cookbook that haven't been converted or worked on yet, and need to be done
[10:56] <nixternal> mdke: i have hacked their svn a little bit to start picking up structure, but you can see what i mean by content - handbook/C/ of course - http://svn.binaryredneck.net/handbook
[10:57] <nixternal> i think it will be easier if i just add the handbook to the edubuntu/ folder, and then hack the xml code to fit our structure
[10:58] <mdke> make sure they are all happy with that
[10:59] <LaserJock> do they seriously only have 23 revisions?
[11:00] <nixternal> hehe
[11:00] <nixternal> i don't think they have been working on it much
[11:00] <LaserJock> they must be working in larger chunks too
[11:00] <LaserJock> well, I wasn't trying to be mean or snotty
[11:00] <nixternal> i grabbed the repo 2 weeks ago, and did svn up last night, and didn't get one new revision
[11:00] <nixternal> well, if they read their rules, it says not to ;)
[11:00] <nixternal> hehe
[11:01] <LaserJock> I was just thinking if they aren't committing that often then sending a patch to me or you will be pretty easy
[11:01] <nixternal> very true
[11:01] <LaserJock> I was thinking if they were doing a commit or 2 each day it might be tough
[11:01] <nixternal> im glad you picked up on that
[11:01] <nixternal> that will only sell the fact they don't need commit access just yet
[11:01] <nixternal> plus, doing it that way, is the way i learned stuff around here as well
[11:02] <LaserJock> well, HedgeMage at least seems to know what she's doing
[11:02] <LaserJock> I doubt it'll be hard for them to become members
[11:02] <nixternal> well, she said she is just not learning docbook
[11:02] <nixternal> not/now
[11:03] <nixternal> but she has the svn and working what not down it seems
[11:03] <LaserJock> but they certainly aren't going to become members if they are working on that seperate repo
[11:03] <nixternal> she created the branch at least
[11:03] <nixternal> hehe, speaking of members ;)
[11:03] <nixternal> man..i have this spray thing in this room and it stinks..it doesn't smell good
[11:04] <nixternal> it sprays like every 45 minutes...it is starting to remind me of a skunk
[11:06] <jjesse> time to get anew one
[11:06] <jjesse> wow a yankee (baseball) pitcher's plane crashed today into the 38th floor of an apartment building
[11:07] <nixternal> hehe
[11:07] <nixternal> wth?
[11:07] <jjesse> he's dead
[11:07] <nixternal> omg
[11:07] <nixternal> cory lidle
[11:07] <nixternal> g'nite mdke
[11:07] <nixternal> thanks for the pointers with the handbook!
[11:07] <jjesse> night mdke
[11:08] <nixternal> ok, so he wasn't in it as it seems
[11:08] <jjesse> hmm that's not what i just heard from a reporter in new york
[11:08] <LaserJock> weird
[11:09] <nixternal> ok..i am on fox news web page..they are slow there
[11:09] <nixternal> Yankees pitcher dies as plane hits NYC building
[11:09] <nixternal> that is msnbc.com
[11:09] <nixternal> that sucks..he is a damn good picture
[11:09] <nixternal> haha
[11:09] <nixternal> pitcher
[11:09] <nixternal> roflmfao
[11:09] <nixternal> F = fat ;)
[11:10] <nixternal> haha
[11:36] <jjesse> i've created a test bzr branch at http://doc.ubuntu.com/~jjesse/ubuntu-doc
[11:55] <nixternal> hehe
[11:55] <nixternal> you and bzr ;)
[11:55] <jjesse> i'm trying to learn
[11:55] <jjesse> i think i like ti better then svn
[11:56] <nixternal> really?
[11:56] <nixternal> as of right now, i don't ;(
[11:56] <jjesse> just learning :)
[11:56] <nixternal> bzr commit, push, pull. branch
[11:56] <nixternal> i have a heck of a time getting it uploaded
[11:56] <jjesse> ok dinner time i'll be on later
[11:56] <nixternal> svn commit -m "woohoo" and it work
[11:56] <jjesse> bzr commit :)
[11:56] <nixternal> ya same here..gotta goto school
[11:56] <nixternal> but commit doesn't send it to the server
[11:56] <nixternal> bzr push sftp://url


[02:36] !lilo:*! Hi all. Need Turkish-English translation in #freenode. Thanks!
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[00:40] <dOxxx> good evening...
[00:40] <dOxxx> I'm having a weird problem with WorkingTree.open(...)
[00:40] <dOxxx> It's giving me a NotBranchError for a path that `bzr info` works just fine on.
[00:41] <dOxxx> I'm using bzr 2.5b4.
[00:44] <fullermd> Does info say there's a working tree there?
[00:45] <dOxxx> hmm... it says "Repository tree (format: 2a)"
[00:45] <dOxxx> I can see files there
[00:45] <fullermd> Probably then.
[00:45] <fullermd> Mmm.  Are you pointing at the _root_ of the WT?  Maybe you want open_containing() instead?
[00:45] <dOxxx> I was getting the same error woth open_containing
[00:45] <fullermd> (or is that even what it's called?  These are really vague memories, that never had any business in my brain in the first place)
[00:46] <fullermd> Well, OK, I'm about 5 guesses beyond where I have any business talking about bzrlib now   :p
[00:46] <dOxxx> heh ok thanks
[01:13] <Noldorin> hi jelmer
[03:11] <Noldorin> hi wgz
[03:34] <Noldorin> jelmer, you around either?
[06:16] <glyph> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-mac-installers/+bug/902437
[06:17] <glyph> Oh, it's a wiki.
[16:01] <glyph> Is there any known configuration where running 'bzr branches' is reasonably fast?
[16:02] <jelmer> glyph: locally it should be reasonably quick
[16:02] <jelmer> glyph: you're talking about the branches command from bzrtools I guess?
[16:02] <glyph> jelmer: Yeah.
[16:02] <glyph> Oh, I get it, it's slow because there are svn branches in here, and that's driving it crazy
[16:03] <jelmer> glyph: yeah
[16:03] <glyph> svn checkouts, I should say, like, with .svn directories not .bzr directories :)
[16:03] <jelmer> glyph: "bzr branches" from bzrtools scans the directory structure and tries to open every path in existence
[16:03] <jelmer> glyph: bzr 2.5 has a new "bzr branches" command, which uses an API call and should be much faster for svn stuff
[16:04] <glyph> however, right now, 'bzr branches' against a server directory which I know contains only bzr branches, has taken about 15 minutes, and has downloaded 1.5 megs of data at 2kb per second
[16:12] <glyph> server's running bzr 3.3.3
[16:12] <glyph> erm
[16:12] <glyph> 2.3.3.
[16:41] <glyph> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzrtools/+bug/902566
[19:37] <glyph> Which is the version of bzr-svn which actually works?
[19:37] <glyph> Is 1.1.0 okay or do I need 1.1.1?
[19:39] <wgz> apparent tip.
[19:39] <wgz> +ly
[20:12] <dOxxx> for bzr 2.5 you need bzr-svn tip
[20:27] <Noldorin> hey jelmer , poolie
[21:34] <Noldorin> hi wgz
[21:38] <glyph> wgz: I don't mean to work with bzr 2.5
[21:38] <glyph> I mean to work, like, at all :)
[21:39] <glyph> jelmer: I think maybe I want to kill those revision properties that keep sending us to The Hell of Nobody Can Merge Anything
[21:39] <glyph> but I want to make really sure I understand the implications first
[21:49] <Noldorin> wgz, i've got sshd running nicely on my windows server now :-)
[21:50] <Noldorin> wondering what specific things i can do to make it worth nicely with bzr
[21:58] <Noldorin> grr
[21:58] <Noldorin> devs are actually having the weekend off :-P
[21:59] <Noldorin> come baaack
[21:59] <glyph> Noldorin: don't worry, some of us are slaving away
[21:59] <Noldorin> glyph, oh good ;-)
[21:59] <glyph> Noldorin: not on bzr, but bzr is getting in our way ;)
[21:59] <Noldorin> glyph, you're a core member?
[21:59] <Noldorin> oh okay
[21:59] <Noldorin> hmm
[21:59] <Noldorin> what's the prob?
[22:32] <glyph> Noldorin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-svn/+bug/485601
[22:32] <glyph> Noldorin: it's fixed, but not really
[22:33] <glyph> like, bzr-svn won't introduce this issue any more, but you have to upgrade everybody and then destroy all your old branches and repositories
[22:33] <Noldorin> glyph, ah right. don't use bzr-svn fortunately
[22:34] <jelmer> hi glyph
[22:34] <wgz> glyph: so we have bug 806348 for the bazaar side of handling bust repos, I agree it's confusing there's a closed bzr-svn bug for one bustage cause
[22:34] <wgz> Noldorin: which one did you get working?
[22:34] <Noldorin> jelmer, wgz there you guys are heh
[22:34] <Noldorin> wgz, OpenSSH
[22:34] <Noldorin> which is reassuring :-)
[22:34] <wgz> ...what version?
[22:34] <Noldorin> on cygwin, but still...
[22:35] <Noldorin> latest
[22:35] <Noldorin> 1.7.2 i think?
[22:35] <wgz> ah, that's okay then.
[22:35] <Noldorin> it uses NTLM auth
[22:35] <Noldorin> and runs as a windows ervice
[22:35] <Noldorin> which is cool :-)
[22:35] <wgz> was concerned that the native port seemed very dead
[22:36] <Noldorin> wgz, basically http://t.co/V8dN4h12 got me most of the way there
[22:40] <wgz> Noldorin: so, have you tested bzr+ssh with it yet?
[22:41] <Noldorin> wgz, yeah. it works :-)
[22:41] <Noldorin> wgz, are there any "recommended settings"/configuration though?
[22:44] <wgz> Noldorin: use an ssh agent, and maybe the append revisions only config setting... can't think of anything else in particular
[22:44] <Noldorin> wgz, what does revisions only?
[22:44] <Noldorin> and where do i set this config setting? ;-)
[22:48] <wgz> Noldorin: it's an option on init, or in .bzr/branch/branch.conf
[22:48] <Noldorin> wgz, ah ok
[22:48] <Noldorin> wgz, btw, is there any way i can configure the root path that bzr+ssh uses?
[22:48] <Noldorin> for branches
[23:09] <wgz> Noldorin: ...not sure of the easiest way, there are probably several options
[23:10] <Noldorin> wgz, okay...
[23:10] <Noldorin> what are they then ? :-)
[23:10] <Noldorin> maybe i can choose then
[23:11] <wgz> never tried it, but I'm guessing you could set the sshd to put people in a different cwd, or maybe include a cd in bzr_remote_path, or set up a lp: style alias as on your client
[23:20] <Noldorin> wgz, oh, so all paths in bzr+ssh urls are relative to the cwd?
[23:22] <lifeless> no, they are relative to the server root
[23:22] <lifeless> which defaults to / on the server
[23:23] <wgz> okay, scratch ideas one and two then, maybe lifeless has more.
[23:23] <lifeless> whats the goal?
[23:24] <lifeless> oh, I see
[23:24] <Noldorin> lifeless, to change where bzr+ssh urls refer to on the fs...
[23:24] <lifeless> so, bzr <thing> bzr+ssh://host/... will invoke bzr serve --allow-writes / --stdout or something like that
[23:24] <Noldorin> ah
[23:25] <lifeless> you can mangle that by using a custom 'bzr' on the server, using a custom ssh server (like thomi's student-bzr-service or LP's hosting service do)
[23:25] <lifeless> or
[23:25] <lifeless> you can do it client side
[23:25] <lifeless> by using bzr-bookmarks
[23:25] <lifeless> or similar
[23:25] <lifeless> lastly, you can use bzr+ssh://host/~/ to mean 'relative to my home dir'
[23:41] <Noldorin> lifeless, interestingly, on cygwin all paths are relative to the home dir anyway
[23:41] <Noldorin> custom ssh server just isn't an option


[11:48] <webchat14> hello is someone here
[11:50] <xu-help2w> hello i need help is someone available
[11:50] <xu-help2w> ?
[11:51] <xu-help2w> =(
[11:51] <Mekaneck> !ask | xu-help2w
[11:51] <Mekaneck> !patience
[11:58] <xu-help2w> Ok so basicly my iMac is pretty old. I thought it wasn't a bad idea to install linux on it bec the macOS i had didnt get any security updates so it was the best option for me to isntall xubuntu. I installed xubuntu and everything just worked out fine until the installation was finished. i did a reboot and suddenly my screen was split into 4 small
[11:58] <xu-help2w> screens and i cant read anything its a really bad graphics issue. I researched quite a while now and ich know it is because of my radeon graphics card.. i think i need to install the drivers but i dont know how and if his is not possible im gonna disable my radeon graphics and use my intel graphics but i also dont know how to manage this. i need
[11:58] <xu-help2w> help pls.
[12:50] <xu-help2w> thx for nothing... retards
[13:30] <fyr> anytime


[09:34] <muczy> hi
[09:35] <muczy> do you have any experience, with 7200 rpm notebook harddrives?
[09:35] <muczy> e.g. temperature
[09:54] <muczy> bye


[00:43] <wallyworld> thumper: i updated https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8549, plus there's this one https://github.com/juju/description/pull/36
[00:44]  * thumper nods
[00:54] <wallyworld> thumper: annnnd, merge conflicts fixed in https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8546
[01:18] <thumper> ack
[01:18] <thumper> will look when I hit a natural break in what I'm doing
[01:27] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: see this test failure in a CI check run; maybe related to what you're seeing http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-check-merge-juju/758/testReport/github/com_juju_juju_worker_peergrouper/TestPackage/
[01:27] <wallyworld> might not be either
[01:29] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: hmm, maybe - will take a look in a bit
[01:30] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: didn't mean for you to fixc, just another data point
[01:30] <wallyworld> might provide a clue
[01:31] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: yeah, could do!
[03:18] <vino> hi
[03:20] <thumper> o/ vino
[03:21] <vino> HI Tim
[03:23] <babbageclunk> Hi vino!
[03:25] <vino> Hello
[03:32] <vino> plz ignore my messages. I am just trying to see how IRC works.
[03:38] <thumper> vino: Use '/me action' to show something like this
[03:38]  * thumper headdesks
[04:24]  * vino having lunch
[06:31]  * thumper EODs
[07:21] <wallyworld> manadart: hey, there's a consistent failure in TestErrorAndStatusForHASpaceWithNoAddressesAddrIPv6 stopping the bot from landing stuff. is this something you could do a quick fix for?
[07:21] <wallyworld> i'm close to EOD
[07:22] <manadart> wallyworld: I will look at it. It passes locally every time :(
[07:23] <wallyworld> yeah, the number of times we have seen that
[07:23] <wallyworld> here's a sample failure http://ci.jujucharms.com/job/github-check-merge-juju/760/testReport/github/com_juju_juju_worker_peergrouper/TestPackage/
[07:27] <manadart> wallyworld: Thanks.  Made it consistent with other test manipulation of the machine docs.
[07:58] <manadart> Still can not replicate locally. Will observe in-situ.
[08:55] <jam> manadart: https://images.linuxcontainers.org
[08:55] <jam> github.com/lxc/lxd/config.go DefaultRemotes
[08:57] <jam> manadart: http://streams.canonical.com/juju/images/releases/streams/v1/
[08:57] <jam> http://streams.canonical.com/juju/images/releases/
[09:20] <manadart> jam: Can you review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8566 when it goes green?
[09:21] <manadart> Landing that will allow others to make forward progress.
[09:22] <manadart> That would be a great suite to use GoMock with since we are not using a real state.
[09:22] <manadart> It has been thorny to negotiate.
[09:54] <jam> manadart: reviewed and $$merge$$ d
[09:54] <jam> manadart: any thing else for us to discuss or shall we skip the 1:1 ?
[09:55] <manadart> jam: Safe to skip for my part.
[09:57] <jam> sgtm
[11:45] <manadart> jam: Should we be adding config for container-image-stream too, or assume that the user includes an exact URL with the metadata config?
[12:53] <jam> manadart: I think we should follow image-metadata-url and have a container-image-stream as well
[12:54] <manadart> jam: Ack. I've proceeded on that basis.