[12:00] <Blissex> maan84: usually it is OK.
[12:00] <Kromonos> so, i'm now using the right driver, but my keyboard is wrong :(  i can't use the shift key :(
[12:00] <maan84> Ok :)
[12:00] <Blissex> Kromonos: a bit more details would help those few of us that are not telepathic...
[12:01] <flickerfly|home> I seem to be having problems with my browser freezing. Firefox and Epiphany are both affected by this.
[12:01] <Fionn> hi. I just installed "network-manager". Unfortunately I seem to be unable to get the panel applet to appear anywhere. Does anyone here know how to get this going?
[12:01] <emile> what is epiphany?
[12:01] <Fionn> emile: a browser
[12:01] <funkyHat> flickerfly|home, is there anything particular that you do before just before the crash?
[12:01] <Blissex> emile: a derivative of Mozilla, specifically for GNOME.
[12:01] <emile> ah is it any good?
[12:02] <Blissex> emile: it is better integrated with GNOME. Not a huge advantage, but it has more cool factor.
[12:02] <Fionn> emile: as good as any browser that does not support moz extensions ;-)
[12:02] <yoko-mo> can anyone help me with my mouse problem?
[12:02] <flickerfly|home> funkyHat: not really, it does happen each time I go to gospelcon.com
[12:02] <Blissex> flickerfly|home: that can be because of a bug in the browser, or more likely some JavaScript loop.
[12:03] <selinium> fourcheeze: sudo apt-get install realplayer
[12:03] <Kromonos> i tryed to configure my intel brookdale graphics adapter, i made it with xorgcfg, but then the maximum resolution is 640x480. so i tried with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. everything is working fine. just the shift key isn't accepted :(
[12:03] <fourcheeze> selinium: now that's what I thought
[12:03] <fourcheeze> however the download page now only has real player 10
[12:03] <flickerfly|home> Blissex: I go to the same page in firefox on my Gentoo system without problems
[12:04] <fourcheeze> selinium: and the installer wants 8 I think
[12:04] <slask3n> Blissex: Why so sarcastic and grumpy?? This is supposed to be a nice channel with nice people helping newbies and others with problems. Not just grumpy people that is just f**king up the athmosphere... Have you been laid the last month? Cause it really doesnt sound like that!
[12:04] <codecaine> anyone in her efamiliar with the xchat identify script provided by freenode?
[12:04] <Blissex> flickerfly|home: Firefox is a different browser...
[12:04] <fourcheeze> so I installed realplayer 10 manually
[12:04] <fourcheeze> and it just sits there
[12:04] <flickerfly|home> Blissex: it happens in firefox and epiphany
[12:04] <Fionn> so... nobody here using network-manager?
[12:04] <Blissex> flickerfly|home: but not in Gentoo?
[12:05] <robotgeek> Fionn: me using!
[12:05] <fl> good night, guys.
[12:05] <selinium> fourcheeze: oh, I installed realplayer via apt and got no trouble. Did you enable the extras/backport repos before installing?
[12:05] <slask3n> So what app under linux makes 1:1 copies of CD's?
[12:05] <Blissex> slask3n: it is a nice channel, and some people could ask better questions.
[12:05] <Fionn> robotgeek: how did you get the panel applet to appear!?
[12:05] <flickerfly|home> Blissex: Correct
[12:05] <codecaine> slask3n, gnomebaker
[12:05] <fourcheeze> selinium: no - how do I do that?
[12:05] <selinium> !tell fourcheeze about repos
[12:06] <h08817> !repositories
[12:06] <ubotu> I heard repositories is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:06] <fourcheeze> tks
[12:06] <fl> slask3n, dd if=/dev/your_cd of=copy.bin bs=2K
[12:06] <robotgeek> Fionn: /etc/init.d/NetworkManager start, "sudo nm-applet" to start applet, recommend a restart
[12:06] <Blissex> slask3n: that's _in  the general case_ impossible. Moreover I think no free software utilities exist to do that, for the obvious reasons. However, however, you can get for fairly cheap Nero for Linux, and that might do something.
[12:06] <fl> Blissex, beg to differ. Why should it be impossible?
[12:06] <selinium> h08817: thats what the !tell does but it sends it to the user not the channel
[12:06] <Blissex> flickerfly|home: that's quite odd that Firefox freezes on Ubuntu but not Gentoo.
[12:07] <Kromonos> Blissex: i tryed to configure my intel brookdale graphics adapter, i made it with xorgcfg, but then the maximum resolution is 640x480. so i tried with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. everything is working fine. just the shift key isn't accepted :(
[12:07] <Fionn> robotgeek: oh. on my system there is no init.d script. NM is started by dbus.  And why "sudo" for nm_applet?
[12:07] <flickerfly|home> Blissex: Since it happens on both Epiphany and Firefox, I'm thinking its some plugin or something.
[12:07] <slask3n> Blissex: I agree, but most of the people asking here is not familiar with linux, and doesn't have the knowledge enough to express them self so accurate as others... Btw, Nero doesnt make 1:1 copies
[12:07] <Blissex> fl: because he wants ''copy protection'' bits copied too, and those often rely on illegal sector formats on the disc.
[12:07] <robotgeek> Fionn: i know, but it refuses to start without the sudo
[12:08] <Blissex> slask3n: Nero does _some_ copy protection workarounds...
[12:08] <Blissex> flickerfly|home: that's possible, in that case it would be Flash.
[12:08] <slask3n> Blissex: yes I know, but i want 1:1 copies not copyprotection work-arounds
[12:08] <robotgeek> slask3n: u mean like clonecd?
[12:08] <Fionn> robotgeek: I can start it as root or as user - no iconn appears in my panel.  :-(
[12:08] <fl> Blissex, oh man, I forgot people use copy protected CDs. I just don't buy that sh*t.
[12:08] <Tripp> Does anyone know how to change mp3 to ogg?\
[12:09] <slask3n> robotgeek: yes something similar too clonecd just for linux
[12:09] <flickerfly|home> Blissex: flash? I wouldn't have guessed that, but it could be.
[12:09] <whyameye> Blissex, just so you know, nobody answered on #Gnome. One wouldn't think adding a menu item would be so hard...or uncommon.
[12:09] <fl> but a little playing with the tools should do the trick, even here...
[12:09] <flickerfly|home> Blissex: thanks, I'll try updating that
[12:09] <fl> so, good night.
[12:09] <fourcheeze> tripp I usually pipe a decoder into oggenc
[12:09] <Fionn> slask3n: k3b supports some kind of nibble copy mode
[12:09] <Fionn> slask3n: I think it uses cdrdao for that
[12:09] <selinium> Tripp: have you tried sox?
[12:10] <Blissex> fl: and reading ''broken'' sectors and then writing them requires special drives/logic, even if many do support that.
[12:10] <juanej> do anyone know whats gnome default dpi???
[12:10] <Blissex> slask3n: for example it is very difficult and often impossible to 1:1 copy audio CDs, because they are in a somewhat ''raw'' format...
[12:10] <Blissex> juanej: nobody.
[12:10] <Cardoe> anyone seen Martin Pitt?
[12:10] <slask3n> Fionn: Its not making 1:1 copies including the subchannels
[12:10] <fourcheeze> selinium: ok, I've added the extras and now apt-get install realplayer installs realplayer 10 by itself
[12:11] <robotgeek> juanej: it's 75, i guess
[12:11] <juanej> Blissex, i just installed xfce and fonts are too small
[12:11] <fourcheeze> selinium:  however when I run it it just sits at the command prompt
[12:11] <codecaine> slask3n, you mean when i copy my music cd it's not an exact copy? what is it missing that's different?
[12:11] <slask3n> Blissex: I'm not going to make a audio-CD than i just rip it to mp3 or some equal format
[12:11] <Fionn> slask3n: well, usually you dont need that on linux, do you?
[12:11] <fourcheeze> selinium: if I strace it it seems to be doing waitpid(-1,
[12:11] <Blissex> whyameye: OK, I dont use GNOME, I use KDE. IIRC there is no easy GUI program yet to edit the GNOME menu, you got to edit a text file...
[12:11] <robotgeek> juanej: try to see if xfce has some method of increasing font size, maybe in style?
[12:12] <codecaine> Blissex, smeg menu editor
[12:12] <robotgeek> Blissex: smeg
[12:12] <damsko> smeg
[12:12] <selinium> fourcheeze: what are you trying to listen to/view?
[12:12] <fourcheeze> I'm just trying to open the thing
[12:12] <Blissex> slask3n: for audio CDs however 'cdparanoia' _tries_ to do a copy as close as possible, a bit like ExactAudioCopy under MS Windows, and usually succeeds.
[12:12] <fourcheeze> selinium: by typing realplay on the command line
[12:12] <juanej> robotgeek, already do that
[12:12] <juanej> but firefox websites
[12:13] <Blissex> juanej: your problem is very familiar to me...
[12:13] <juanej> and other applications stay with the same font
[12:13] <Milk_> hello!
[12:13] <slask3n> Fionn: no I actually never came across a copy protected cd for linux. but i'm going to copy some WindoZe games
[12:13] <Blissex> juanej: and it is a mess :-). The DPI is usually computed from the monitor visible image size in millimiters and in pixels.
[12:14] <Blissex> juanej: the best thing to do is to ensure that the X configuration includes the monitor size in millimiters correctly.
[12:14] <chrismy> could anyone help me with apache 404 config?
[12:14] <juanej> on gnome it was ok
[12:14] <mach1ne> hi everyone
[12:14] <emile> slask3n, i'm reading there's a hacked up version of dd called ddrescue which can do some tricks which dd cant. Never used it, but maybe the thing for you
[12:14] <codecaine> I didn't realize it didn't make an exact copy.
[12:14] <selinium> fourcheeze: one mo...
[12:14] <juanej> Blissex, do i have to measure it? lol
[12:14] <emile> http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/
[12:14] <Blissex> juanej: the second best thing is to force the ''right'' DPI at X server startup.
[12:14] <Blissex> juanej: I did it with a ruler, really.
[12:14] <juanej> Blissex, what line do i have to add to xorg.conf?
[12:14] <Blissex> juanej: however for example LCD screens have the display image size in mm in the specs.
[12:14] <robotgeek> Blissex: there's a better way to do it, pulling up the link!
[12:15] <mach1ne> i installed ubuntu yesterday and i think its great but how do i log on as root or how do i change my account to root?
[12:15] <Blissex> juanej: also, many monitors, if the support DDC, will tell the X server the size, but that's not as good
[12:15] <slask3n> Is there any apps that makes 1:1 copies of a CD including subchannels like CloneCD under WindoZe?   Is anyone maintaining an unofficial repository so I can just get it and the other libs?  I suppose I could just pin breezy to do so, but I'm being lazy at the moment :)
[12:15] <Kromonos> sry, but .......
[12:15] <h08817> ?
[12:15] <Blissex> juanej: the right line id 'DisplaySize' in the 'Monitor' section.
[12:15] <mach1ne> i installed ubuntu yesterday and i think its great but how do i log on as root or how do i change my account to root?
[12:15] <chrismy> anyone?? 404 error?
[12:16] <robotgeek> Blissex,juanej : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20976
[12:16] <rrm3> mach1ne, use sudo.
[12:16] <mach1ne> sudo?
[12:16] <mach1ne> whats that?
[12:16] <juanej> look, xdpyinfo | grep resolution reads 72x72 dots per inch
[12:16] <rrm3> mach1ne, it let's you execute things as root, so you don't have to log in as root.
[12:16] <Blissex> Kromonos: you ''shift key'' problem is most likely because you got the keyboard type wrong in the C configuration.
[12:16] <robotgeek> mach1ne: check your pm
[12:16] <chrismy> mach1ne, sudo means superuser do :D
[12:16] <mach1ne> ooh ok
[12:16] <Oewyn> is there anyway to do Protected eap authenticaion over a wireless network with ndiswrapper?
[12:16] <Kromonos> when i activate vesa driver instead of i840 keyboard and resolution are good, but if i close the lit of my laptop, x sucks
[12:17] <juanej> robotgeek, thx, im trying that
[12:17] <h08817> !tell mach1ne about sudo
[12:17] <Blissex> Kromonos: use 'xkeycaps' to check the exact type of your keyboard (101/102/104/105 keys and layout).
[12:17] <robotgeek> h08817: already did that
[12:17] <Blissex> juanej: 72 sounds a bit too low for a modern system.
[12:17] <chrismy> mach1ne, change your root account password?
[12:17] <h08817> lol sry
[12:17] <chrismy> anyone friendly enough to help me on apache? :D
[12:18] <juanej> changing to 96
[12:18] <juanej> brb
[12:18] <mach1ne> im not really familiar with linux
[12:18] <emile> to get rootshell using sudo: sudo -s -u root
[12:18] <iapx8088> chrismy, what's on
[12:18] <namelesss> hello
[12:18] <kemik> emile:  why not "sudo -i"?
[12:18] <selinium> fourcheeze: I have just installed it and it works fine for me, sorry. Maybe something that you did installing it has left some configs behind.  try sudo dpkg -P realplayer   then install again
[12:18] <namelesss> i have a problem, somebody can help me ?
[12:18] <rrm3> I need some boot options added permanently (it's a pain editing them from grub every time).  Where do I change the boot options?
[12:18] <fourcheeze> selinium: ok, thanks for that I'll give it a go
[12:18] <chrismy> iapx8088, hey there! i want to know how to setup custom 404 error. could you please guide me?
[12:18] <mach1ne> just need it for C/C++
[12:18] <selinium> namelesss: not unless yu ask
[12:19] <emile> kemik, because i didnt know that ;-) thnx
[12:19] <iapx8088> rrm3, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:19] <namelesss> ^^
[12:19] <rrm3> iapx8088, thanks!
[12:19] <namelesss> ok i want to install camllight
[12:19] <kemik> np
[12:19] <namelesss> but i only have a .rpm install file
[12:19] <namelesss> how can i install it ?
[12:19] <iapx8088> chrismy, I can recall it at the moment, but I think it's simply a directive in http.conf, and fairly simple, just name the new 404 file.
[12:20] <Nevado> anyone with an nforce mobo, is there actually any point to installing the nvidia nforce drivers? my comp seems to work fine without them (although lspci has a whole raft of 'unknown device's)
[12:20] <chrismy> iapx8088, hold on how ? the first setp will be?
[12:20] <chrismy> step
[12:20] <mach1ne> and how do install a flash plugin?
[12:20] <chrismy> iapx8088, i am dumb sorry...
[12:20] <selinium> namelesss: use alien
[12:20] <namelesss> that's what  i do
[12:20] <iapx8088> chrismy, at first you need the htm 404 custom page, do you
[12:20] <namelesss> but now i have a .deb file
[12:20] <tristanmike> namelesss, alien converts to .deb
[12:20] <namelesss> in home
[12:20] <namelesss> yes
[12:20] <drewfus> my system wont recognize my slave drive unless i plug it into the cd ide controller as the master, any ideas?
[12:20] <namelesss> how install a .deb ?
[12:21] <selinium> namelesss: dpkg -i whatever.deb
[12:21] <chrismy> iapx8088, yes in my /var/www i named it error.html. content is just 'hello'
[12:21] <dalamar> dpkg -i blah.deb
[12:21] <iapx8088> chrismy, just fine
[12:21] <chrismy> iapx8088, for testing that is
[12:21] <namelesss> ok i try it
[12:21] <chrismy> :D
[12:21] <selinium> namelesss: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[12:21] <Blissex> drewfus: thats really a generic hw question.
[12:21] <Kromonos> Blissex: there my keyboard works
[12:21] <chrismy> iapx8088, so what is next?
[12:21] <drewfus> i dont know where to get help with it though
[12:21] <drewfus> sorry
[12:21] <iapx8088> chrisn now you should edit your httpd.conf
[12:21] <chris> hey does does anyone know if theres are debs for the gnome 2.12 testing release?
[12:21] <Crepusculo> i dont obtain to mount a second HD thats in VFAT, my kernel is 2.6.10-5-386. would have as to reconfigure it?
[12:21] <Blissex> drewfus: but typically its because you haven't changed the jumpers quite right.
[12:22] <drewfus> they are
[12:22] <namelesss> hey it works !!!
[12:22] <chrismy> iapx8088, ok i found 2 httpd.conf. so which you refer?
[12:22] <namelesss> thanks for all selinium
[12:22] <drewfus> uata using cable select
[12:22] <iapx8088> chrismy, first read it all, and search for something about custom errors
[12:22] <selinium> namelesss: np
[12:22] <chrismy> iapx8088, hold on
[12:22] <iapx8088> chrismy, tell me the path
[12:22] <drewfus> ive also tried normal jumper settings with the correct master slave jumpers
[12:22] <iapx8088> chrismy, or find a way to make apache show the one it's reading
[12:23] <chrismy> iapx8088, yes # Customizable error response (Apache style)
[12:23] <selinium> fourcheeze: Any joy?
[12:23] <chrismy> iapx8088, i didn't understand. what path? how show?
[12:23] <drewfus> might it have anything to do with the fact that when i boot up with both drives plugged in it says drive 1 not found drive 0 not found
[12:23] <chrismy> iapx8088, http://clch.zapto.org . see how you can help
[12:23] <iapx8088> chrismy, you have to edit the right one, or you changes will not be read by apache
[12:24] <drewfus> when i boot up with only my master it says drive 0 not found, but i press continue and it works fine
[12:24] <Kromonos> Error activating XKB configuration.
[12:24] <Kromonos> It can happen under various circumstances:
[12:24] <Kromonos> - a bug in libxklavier library
[12:24] <Kromonos> - a bug in X server (xkbcomp, xmodmap utilities)
[12:24] <Kromonos> - X server with incompatible libxkbfile implementation
[12:24] <Kromonos> X server version data:
[12:24] <Kromonos> The X.Org Foundation
[12:24] <Kromonos> 60802000
[12:24] <Kromonos> If you report this situation as a bug, please include:
[12:24] <Kromonos> - The result of xprop -root | grep XKB
[12:24] <Kromonos> - The result of gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd
[12:24] <chrismy> iapx8088, ok i set it ErrorDocument 404 /error.html
[12:24] <juanej> damn, i just do that xorg.conf thing and dpi stays at 72
[12:24] <iapx8088> chrismy, for understanding the right one, I believe you are on your own
[12:24] <chrismy> iapx8088, so i restart apache?
[12:24] <iapx8088> sure
[12:24] <chrismy> iapx8088, yes sure
[12:24] <Oewyn> is there anyway to do Protected eap authenticaion over a wireless network with ndiswrapper?
[12:25] <iapx8088> Kromonos, that' s what I definitely call flood
[12:25] <Kromonos> sry
[12:25] <Kromonos> but this is the fucking error message that i got
[12:25] <tristanmike> Kromonos, that's why there is pastebin or #flood
[12:26] <Kromonos> ok, sorry, i don't know about this
[12:27] <mach1ne> how do reg my nick?
[12:27] <selinium> Kromonos: You are lucky the channel op isn't around, you could of earned yuorself an instant kickban
[12:27] <EasterSunshine> Kromonos: that is because you didn't read the topic upon entering the channel
[12:27] <iapx8088> ./ns help register
[12:27] <Blissex> juanej: either add '-dpi <whatever>' to where the X server is started, or use 'DisplaySize' in the _right_ 'Monitor' section.
[12:27] <Kromonos> yes EasterSunshine, because i can't read it because of the fucking error message
[12:27] <Blissex> juanej: what kind of monitor is yours BTW? inches, type and pixels you got on it.
[12:28] <slask3n> Is there any apps that makes 1:1 copies of a CD including subchannels like CloneCD under WindoZe? I need it to make a 1:1 backup copies of some copy protected windows-games
[12:28] <Kromonos> and of the *argh* resolution of 640x480
[12:28] <lJlolel> how do i set the time from the command line?
[12:28] <Kromonos> and my dead shift keys
[12:28] <selinium> Kromonos: EasterSunshine may of been the one to help you, not so sure he would now?
[12:28] <juanej> Blissex,  SyncMater 551c 15' 800x600
[12:28] <iapx8088> lJlolel, date
[12:28] <juanej> i already add DisplaySize	211	158 to the xorg.conf
[12:28] <mach1ne> ./ns help register
[12:28] <Blissex> juanej: that _may_ be a 72 DPI display.
[12:29] <juanej> but it doesnt seem to help
[12:29] <juanej> Blissex, its already at 72
[12:29] <selinium> Kromonos: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   and follow the instructions.
[12:29] <Blissex> mach1ne: type "/msg NickServe help register"
[12:29] <Kromonos> selinium: i made this twenty times
[12:29] <EasterSunshine> Kromonos: ah good point. and if you are in a console outside x, the resolution is actually 740x400
[12:29] <dalamar> -e
[12:29] <icewt> anyone happen to know if there are xmms2 packages for ubuntu somewhere?
[12:29] <sm> hi.. how can I make sudo remember my password for longer ?
[12:30] <Blissex> juanej: thats the point I was making -- 72 might be the right resolution. Wait a sec for me to check.
[12:30] <juanej> brb, gonna see whats gnome dpi
[12:30] <lJlolel> iapx8088, thanks!
[12:30] <selinium> Good night all
[12:30] <dalamar> icewt, doubt it, xmms's website says its not at a state for public use yet even
[12:30] <lJlolel> thats perfect
[12:30] <Blissex> juanej: BTW, why aren't you running it at 1024x768? That should be possible, if a little blurrier.
[12:30] <Kromonos> i couldn't get into a console outside x :( alt f1 ... aren't working too
[12:30] <selinium> quit
[12:30] <yath> stay
[12:30] <dalamar> ctrl + alt + f1?
[12:31] <Kromonos> nothin is working correctly with this fucking intel brookdale + xorg
[12:31] <Kromonos> *argh*
[12:31] <Kromonos> dalamar: doesn't work
[12:31] <dalamar> hm
[12:31] <dalamar> just making sure you had the ctrl part ;)
[12:32] <Kromonos> and if i use vesa instead of i810 i just see a black screen after restarting x
[12:32] <Crepusculo> i dont obtain to mount a second HD thats in VFAT, my kernel is 2.6.10-5-386. would have as to reconfigure it?
[12:32] <Blissex> Kromonos: that's very odd indeed. the 'vesa' driver should work with practically anything.
[12:32] <Kromonos> if i restart my laptop and x boots with vesa it works
[12:32] <Kromonos> yes vesa works, as long as i don't close the lit or logoff the user
[12:33] <juanej> hehe
[12:33] <juanej> i just started gnome
[12:33] <juanej> and go back to xfce and it works
[12:33] <icewt> dalamar, well, there are packages for some distributions anyway
[12:33] <dalamar> icewt, *shrug* I dont really know why its worth messing with if they say its not at a level for public use
[12:33] <juanej> going to reboot to see if it keeps that way
[12:34] <dalamar> unless your looking to do devel on it
[12:34] <icewt> dalamar, because they need people to test it? and because i'm curious?-)
[12:34] <dalamar> why dont you compile it then? surely they offer the source
[12:35] <jchico> how can I use Ubuntu with different WMs?
[12:35] <EasterSunshine> jchico: have you tried installing different wms?
[12:35] <icewt> dalamar, i was just asking if there happens to be packages, don't start a fight with me because of that ;)
[12:35] <EasterSunshine> jchico: which wm do you want?
[12:35] <Kromonos> so, i will now activate vesa. but i'm sure, i'll get a black screen after restarting gdm without restarting my laptop
[12:36] <jchico> according that the package manaer I already have one, it's the Window Maker
[12:36] <Blissex> jchico: depends; try 'xinit' and then type in the command to start the WM you want.
[12:36] <dalamar> uh im not, im giving you a solution
[12:36] <icewt> dalamar, your first comments don't look like that
[12:36] <juanej> now it works perfect
[12:36] <juanej> thx very much
[12:36] <icewt> dalamar, i know i can compile it, but thanks anyway
[12:37] <dalamar> heh ooookay ...
[12:37] <eliphas_> I have a question how to disable ubuntu to boot directly into graphical environenemnt a start
[12:37] <eliphas_> ? please
[12:40] <yath> eliphas_: you want to login in the console?
[12:40] <adjacent> eliphas_: dont start gdm at boot
[12:40] <yath> chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[12:41] <eliphas_> that's all?
[12:41] <eliphas_> there is not a level to change some1 told me
[12:41] <adjacent> eliphas_: you could make it more complicated if you want
[12:41] <yath> changing the runlevel is too drastic.
[12:42] <eliphas_> but maybe is taht something to know?
[12:42] <yath> eliphas_: Ubuntu doesn't use runlevels that way.
[12:43] <eliphas_> ah ok
[12:43] <yath> That advice might apply to Slackware
[12:43] <eliphas_> tahnks for the tip adjacent and yath
[12:43] <adjacent> eliphas_: you could also remove or edit the links in each /etc/rc#.d/ dir
[12:43] <nadjyla> hello
[12:43] <eliphas_> adjacent lol sounds too complicated already now you said it
[12:43] <eliphas_> lol
[12:44] <adjacent> there is a tool to auto config those though (or at least debian had one)
[12:44] <yath> update-rc.d
[12:44] <adjacent> thats it =)
[12:44] <yath> i prefer chmod tho
[12:45] <topyli> sysv-rc-conf is another, very easy tool
[12:45] <DekaPink> Ooooh. Clams.
[12:45] <darkheart> DekaPink Are you talking about e17?
[12:45] <yath> heh
[12:45] <DekaPink> Clams + e17 = love?
[12:45] <DekaPink> Umm... Yes? :3
[12:46] <damsko> how can i configure the screenshot program?
[12:46] <topyli> it's too pretty even :)
[12:46] <darkheart> DekaPink lol sorry, I looked at your post then turned to do something and forgot what I read.
[12:46] <uthini> doing stuff brb
[12:47] <yath> damsko: why?
[12:47] <darkheart> DekaPink There are repos that people have put up for e17 packages.
[12:47] <DekaPink> xD No worries, darkheart
[12:47] <topyli> damsko: you can take a screenshot anyitime
[12:47] <DekaPink> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=59568 <- I just saw this Howto and it sparked my interest.
[12:47] <damsko> is there an option to not open a window asking me to save or cancel it?
[12:48] <DekaPink> Though I'm pretty comfortable in gnome, now... So... Heh, I don't know.
[12:48] <actarus> hello everybody
[12:48] <yath> damsko: oh, you want it instantly?
[12:48] <damsko> or another screenshot program that doesnt asks
[12:48] <damsko> yes
[12:48] <eliphas_> I have a frie he just installed ubuntu on a windows/linux system he got a grub error 21
[12:49] <darkheart> DekaPink Then e17 is probably not for you. That thread talks about using raster's get_e.sh script to download/compile/install e17. It is easy, but no easy way to remove things.  If you are comfortable in gnome, then e17 will be a little painful. Since it's still under development, customization isn't too easy.
[12:50] <actarus> who help me to install virtual machine for linux
[12:50] <actarus> I've VM5
[12:50] <DekaPink> darkheart: Okay, thanks for the advice. :)
[12:50] <yath> damsko: dunno
[12:50] <paulproteus> actarus: qemu ?
[12:51] <paulproteus> actarus: aptitude install qemu
[12:51] <damsko> thank you anyway
[12:52] <actarus> ok I've done
[12:52] <adjacent> yikes, ubuntu just got me. i screwed up and did usermod -G blah user, and now it says user isnt in /etc/sudoers...
[12:52] <Kromonos> what is dri?
[12:52] <adjacent> how do i get back in sudoers
[12:52] <Deeded> hey i wanna burn a copy of ubuntu. I downloaded the live verson. I wanna burn to boot but i found no iso file to burn the imamge. How do i burn it so it wil boot?
[12:52] <actarus> thank you
[12:53] <yath> Deeded: what did you download?
[12:53] <steven__> is there any way to know if somebody logs in into the box? Like if i am root, can i make a script to output a message?
[12:53] <Deeded> Ubuntu 5.04
[12:53] <Deeded> live
[12:53] <yath> Deeded: what file I mean
[12:53] <darkheart> steven__ There a few commands I think...You can try typing 'w' in the console.
[12:53] <Deeded> ubuntu-5.04-live-i386
[12:53] <darkheart> steven__ You can try 'who' also.
[12:54] <Deeded> it came down as a rar
[12:54] <eejit2> change the ext to iso
[12:54] <kevin__> Is there a script on the hoary live cd to install to HD like there is on knoppix?
[12:54] <yath> Deeded: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/ubuntu-5.04-live-i386.iso ??
[12:55] <Deeded> I'll try that
[12:55] <eejit2> Deeded, you mind finding out what the filesize is?
[12:55] <darkheart> adjacent Do you have access to sudo?
[12:55] <adjacent> darkheart: nope
[12:55] <yath> where would you get a rar of the live CD I wonder.
[12:55] <Deeded> 624
[12:55] <Deeded> mbs
[12:56] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, y can't u log in as root and fix it?>
[12:56] <Deeded> on your site
[12:56] <eejit2> Deeded, try changing the extension to iso.
[12:56] <steven__> darkheart:yea i know, but how could i make a script that if somebody logs in, it outputs a message
[12:56] <yath> Deeded: what is the url you got it from?
[12:56] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: do you even use ubuntu?
[12:56] <adjacent> root account is disabled by dfault
[12:56] <adjacent> sudo provides access
[12:56] <darkheart> adjacent Mine isn't
[12:57] <ghatak> hi, i want to keep an eye on how much  data per month is being downloaded on my dsl connection, n e way to do that?
[12:57] <Deeded> think that might have worked
[12:57] <Deeded> k just sec
[12:57] <adjacent> i never set a root password...
[12:57] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, i do use ubuntu, and i use root
[12:57] <eejit2> ghatak, usually your ISP will provide a service.
[12:57] <Deeded> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/
[12:57] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, use the recovery mode on the boot cd
[12:57] <darkheart> steven__ Yeah, you can do that. I'm not really sure where to put the code though =\ On OpenBSD if you are logged into a terminal as root, it will display messages like that on the screen.
[12:57] <ghatak> eejit2: that is the problem, they dont
[12:57] <CookedGryphon> i think i broke root
[12:57] <adjacent> damn, i was afraid of that
[12:58] <adjacent> oh well.
[12:58] <CookedGryphon> i kept trying to log in as root n eventually it jsut let me in neway
[12:58] <CookedGryphon> i used my user password in the end n it let me log in as root
[12:58] <eejit2> you realise there's a reason why you shouldn't always log in as root?
[12:58] <darkheart> I set up root password in expert install.
[12:59] <CookedGryphon> yeah
[12:59] <CookedGryphon> i only log in n su when i need to do rooty things
[12:59] <CookedGryphon> what do u do for ure root password when synaptic n things ask 4 it then?
[01:00] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: you use only sudo
[01:00] <adjacent> sudo -s for a root sheel
[01:00] <steven__> darkheart: well i will need to think how would i make that script
[01:00] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, i use su myself, can't b bothered typing sudo if i need to do lots of things
[01:01] <CookedGryphon> but sudo asks me for a password
[01:01] <Jet2k5> anyone here successfully installed the nforce4 drivers on ubuntu?
[01:01] <darkheart> CookedGryphon You can set sudo up not to ask for your password.
[01:01] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: sudo takes the user password
[01:02] <CookedGryphon> cool
[01:02] <damsko> someone knows if there is a screenshot program that doesnt ask to save or cancel?
[01:02] <CookedGryphon> ah, makes sense
[01:02] <CookedGryphon> but i never use it neway
[01:02] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: yeh, it took me a while to come around to, but i really like it now
[01:02] <adjacent> sorry for being a dick earlier ;)
[01:03] <nakata> sorry for being a harry earlier :/
[01:03] <nakata> btw, where's tom?
[01:03] <nakata> <3
[01:03] <tom__> happy?
[01:03] <tom__> eh?
[01:03] <tom__> ah too soon
[01:04] <nakata> there we are
[01:05] <diensthunds-_> hey are any packagers in here?
[01:06] <durt> ive got quite a package
[01:06] <damsko> someone knows if there is a screenshot program that doesnt ask to save or cancel?
[01:06] <damsko> :(
[01:06] <eejit2> have you tried print screen?
[01:06] <diensthunds-_> funny durt but I need to fix a postinst problem with a .deb I made
[01:06] <damsko> nut it ask for save it
[01:06] <svu> is there any repository with libsvg-cairo?
[01:07] <nalioth> damned OSX
[01:07] <robotgeek> nalioth: :)
[01:07] <robotgeek> nalioth: why?
[01:08] <diensthunds-_> I removed the postinit from the debian/ folder but still get a subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[01:08] <nalioth> robotgeek: i dual boot, and OSX just took a dump on me. diskwarrior reported "too much filesystem damage to repair" (call all$oft for more repair options)
[01:08] <diensthunds-_> dam nalioth that has to suck
[01:08] <cafuego> nalioth: ouch. no luck with witk util either?
[01:08] <nalioth> OSX is not my primary system
[01:08] <robotgeek> nalioth: okay, so the apple boot disk must not have worked,i presume!
[01:09] <nalioth> robotgeek: that was first in line, and it "repaired" stuff, but not what was terribly damgd
[01:09] <rapha> Hi all!
[01:09] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i managed to fix my comp :)
[01:09] <nalioth> doesnt matter, was mounting the OSX hfsplus partition for more space on linux, i'll just move it to another HD
[01:09] <robotgeek> nalioth: maybe it's a sign from the Ubuntu god, to move to ubuntu, and bless the OS X hdd with holy linux pee?
[01:09] <cafuego> nalioth: How are you using that OSX partition under Linux?
[01:10] <nalioth> cafuego: automounted via fstab
[01:10] <newborn> can someone help me get my soundcard working? im noob
[01:10] <nalioth> cafuego: symlinked a dedicated 'linux' folder into my linux $HOMEDIR
[01:10] <jchico> what soundcard is it?
[01:10] <robotgeek> nalioth: i was doing that too, till it crashed on me too. and then, i moved to ubuntu completely. sounds like a pattern :)
[01:10] <diensthunds-_> mmmm perhaps I need to find a developers node
[01:11] <newborn> jchico, its a hercules game theatre XP - it uses the cs46xx driver for alsa
[01:11] <newborn> but it doesnt seem to work
[01:11] <cafuego> nalioth: won't mount (at all) under Linux anymore?
[01:11] <nalioth> robotgeek: i'm almost to that point
[01:11] <robotgeek> :)
[01:11] <jchico> newborn: it detects it, it just doesn't play anything?
[01:11] <nalioth> cafuego: it mounts, but with i/o errors if i try to write to it
[01:11] <haakonn> i set my xorg resolution too low when i installed kubuntu, how can i increase it?
[01:12] <cafuego> nalioth: *nod* But in theory you can at least copy data *off* it?
[01:12] <newborn> jchico, im assuming so - how can I tell if it was detected properly?
[01:12] <robotgeek> nalioth: backup your data and format :(
[01:12] <nalioth> cafuego: am attempting that right now
[01:12] <diensthunds-_> well I"m off to figure
[01:12] <rapha> Does somebody know how to build a software package using autotools?
[01:12] <cafuego> nalioth: .. and here's how to suck an egg ;-)
[01:12] <mach4> hello everyone
[01:12] <muffin_> help! cant use keyboard in cedega!
[01:13] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: i have the ability to use Bash now in terminal
[01:13] <jchico> newborn, well the speaker icon should be in your panel
[01:13] <newborn> yeah, ive got a speaker icon
[01:13] <nalioth> robotgeek: my thoughts exactly *but may just leave osx off of it
[01:13] <CookedGryphon> are your speakers plugged in?
[01:13] <jchico> right click on it and open up volume control
[01:13] <newborn> done
[01:13] <jchico> what do you see?
[01:14] <newborn> PCM and speaker are both at about 75%
[01:14] <robotgeek> nalioth: as long as got everthing working under linux , i don't see why not
[01:14] <newborn> that was the first thing i checked =)
[01:14] <mach4> hoping someone can answer me a very quick question. I have an amd64 cpu, should I get 64 bit version of Ubuntu or will I have compatibility issues with certain drivers, programs?
[01:14] <nalioth> Fingolfinn: great
[01:14] <CookedGryphon> mach4, some media players ahve trouble with 64bit version
[01:15] <mach4> but the 32 bit version should work fine on my cpu, just like windows xp 32 bit does, right?
[01:15] <cafuego> mach4: Will you be using java and flash on websites, or watch xvid or divx video or encrypted dvds?
[01:15] <nalioth> this is sucking
[01:15] <Fingolfinn> nalioth: what was the applicable command you had said to run? it was something -l
[01:15] <CookedGryphon> as far as i know
[01:15] <monkey_> Is there some sort of super tweek to get ATI9700 driver to work in Ubuntu?
[01:15] <mach4> thanks
[01:15] <saintFrance> how come i cant write on the hard drives/files that i have mounted?
[01:16] <CookedGryphon> np, that's probs the first useful advice i've been able to give in here
[01:16] <jchico> newborn, have you gone to System > Preference > Multimedia System Selector?
[01:16] <cafuego> saintFrance: no permission? mounted re-adonly?
[01:16] <newborn> no, i will now
[01:16] <saintFrance> so how do i put permission or make it un-read only?
[01:16] <cafuego> saintFrance: No idea. What fs is it? Where on it are you trying to write to?
[01:17] <osity> anyone know how i can start a degraded array??
[01:17] <saintFrance> i have 2 hard drives
[01:17] <newborn> jchico, its on ESD.. if i change it to alsa and try and test i get 'failed to construct test pipeline for alsa'
[01:17] <saintFrance> and my 2nd one i mounted so i can see my files
[01:17] <saintFrance> but i cant write on it
[01:17] <muffin_> help! keyboard stays in system instead of changing to cedega. (if i type stuff, i can see it in console afterwards, instead of cedega)
[01:17] <hardw1re> try: /etc/fstab
[01:17] <cafuego> saintFrance: is it NTFS?
[01:17] <saintFrance> i believe so
[01:17] <CookedGryphon> saintFrance, what type of filesystem is it?
[01:17] <cafuego> saintFrance: You can't write to that.
[01:17] <saintFrance> ahh i see
[01:17] <cafuego> saintFrance: (as in ever)
[01:18] <saintFrance> i see
[01:18] <hardw1re> NTFS can only be mounted in read-only
[01:18] <hardw1re> writing to ntfs is too complex for linux at this time
[01:18] <CookedGryphon> unless u download some risky packages
[01:18] <CookedGryphon> that could mess up ure whole hdd
[01:18] <saintFrance> so what file system should i make it then?
[01:18] <jchico> newborn, must be your drivers then, did you pick that yourself or Ubuntu?
[01:18] <adjacent> you can write into ntfs, but its very limited
[01:19] <nalioth> well folks
[01:19] <CookedGryphon> saintFrance, you cna't convert it unless its blank
[01:19] <nalioth> time for a total systemic reinstall (bye bye data)
[01:19] <osity> gotta go ....sorry
[01:19] <CookedGryphon> from ntfs that is
[01:19] <saintFrance> yah ill just erase all my media in it
[01:19] <eliphas_> !ubuntu
[01:19] <ubotu> I guess ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[01:19] <newborn> ubuntu picked something which didnt work, then i started playing around with picking it myself, probably not well
[01:19] <saintFrance> i just have some anime in it
[01:19] <saintFrance> ahha
[01:20] <newborn> ill try rebooting incase ive got some stupid modules loaded, brb
[01:20] <CookedGryphon> saintFrance, reformat it as ext2 if its just gna b used in linux, or fat32 if u want to use it in woindows too
[01:20] <saintFrance> alright so fat32 so it can be both linux and windows?
[01:20] <saintFrance> gotcha
[01:21] <saintFrance> thank you
[01:21] <drewfus> can anyone suggest a good graphics card they know works well with ubuntu
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> drewfus: 6600GT
[01:21] <sjg> drewfus, nvidia based :P
[01:21] <tristanmike> drewfus, pretty much anything from nvidia
[01:21] <CookedGryphon> drewfus, i have nvidia Geforce FX5200, works well, ace card
[01:21] <tristanmike> how much is the 6600GT?
[01:21] <drewfus> what about others that use nvidia technology
[01:21] <saintFrance> 150
[01:21] <drewfus> like bfg
[01:22] <sjg> I unfortunately currently have a ati based card and it does work as well.
[01:22] <tristanmike> Me too on the FX5200, no complaints here either
[01:22] <saintFrance> $150 around that area
[01:22] <jchico> i got a GeForce 6800 GT, works good.
[01:22] <saintFrance> 6800gt = 300
[01:22] <saintFrance> ahha
[01:22] <sjg> drewfus, the branded nvidia cards works just fine
[01:22] <jchico> hehe :D
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> tristanmike: cheap as
[01:22] <drewfus> does the 6600gt support dual monitor?
[01:22] <saintFrance> jchico: i want one!!!
[01:22] <tristanmike> USD??
[01:22] <yaru22> where can I download movie codecs ?
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> !restrictedformats
[01:22] <ubotu> somebody said restrictedformats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[01:23] <saintFrance> what is another good messenger for linux? besides gaim? are there any other?
[01:23] <drewfus> is it pci or agp
[01:23] <saintFrance> both
[01:23] <saintFrance> u can get it for both
[01:23] <drewfus> sweet well im off to get it or one like it
[01:23] <drewfus> thanks
[01:23] <saintFrance> ahh!!
[01:23] <saintFrance> wanna get me one too?
[01:23] <saintFrance> lol
[01:23] <drewfus> sure just transfer me the money
[01:23] <drewfus> and a little extra
[01:23] <drewfus> you know... gas
[01:23] <saintFrance> u know my b-day is about to come up.. *nudge nudge&
[01:23] <drewfus> :-)
[01:24] <saintFrance> :(
[01:24] <saintFrance> haha
[01:24] <drewfus> thanks, ill talk to you guys later
[01:24] <nalioth> i am so screwed
[01:24] <nalioth> firewire target disk mode isnt seein my primary HD on the stricken machine
[01:24] <saintFrance> ouch
[01:25] <CookedGryphon> sounds nasty
[01:25] <Viziri> I've spent the last few hours  trying to get connected to the net. I followed instructions here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44763&page=1&pp=10&highlight=330 and think i'm missing something really obvious. i've done a 'ipconfig' 'route' and "tail -f /var/log/syslog" - anyone mind quickly checking my results?
[01:25] <CookedGryphon> think that's the extent of the advice ure gna get
[01:25] <saintFrance> how do you run windows on linux/
[01:25] <qatsi> ok, i need to know of a filesystem which can be writen by linux and windows.....ntfs isnt writable with linux, fut ive heard about fat32 or something like that.....this is because i need a partition for info switching from win to linux....any idea ?
[01:25] <CookedGryphon> wow Viziri , i jsut put the modem applet on my panel n it worked
[01:26] <CookedGryphon> qatsi, fat32 works
[01:26] <nalioth> qatsi: fat32 if you aint writing any files over 4gb in size (dvd iso images, for instance)
[01:26] <CookedGryphon> its the older windows filesystem
[01:26] <CookedGryphon> but linux can write to it no problem
[01:26] <qatsi> great !........
[01:26] <Viziri> ?
[01:26] <qatsi> ahh nope, the partition type will be 1gb, so i cant do that :p
[01:26] <newborn> jchico, ok, now i *sort of* have sound =)
[01:26] <qatsi> thanx for the info !...
[01:27] <nalioth> qatsi: huh?
[01:27] <jchico> newborn, hehe how so?
[01:27] <nalioth> fat32 has a "FILESIZE" limit of 4gb, not a partition size limit
[01:27] <saintFrance> 4 gb each file?
[01:27] <newborn> jchico, well im getting sound but its really bad quality..
[01:27] <adjacent> ok. ive made progress with my sound card. i moved it to another PCI slot, and now it is properly recognized by alsamixer, but the volume control app in gnome now says no audio device/controls found. am i missing a step?
[01:28] <nalioth> saintFrance: with fat32 you cant write an individual file over 4gb in size
[01:28] <saintFrance> i see
[01:28] <CookedGryphon> newborn, what r u playing the sound with?
[01:28] <jchico> newborn, I think that might be the soundcard's fault here's some info if it helps: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Hercules#matrix
[01:28] <Blissex> nalioth: even worse: the limit is really 2GB.
[01:29] <jchico> it says that " (1) Output always resampled to 48khz."
[01:29] <nalioth> Blissex: 2gb, 4gb, cant write dvd images to it
[01:29] <newborn> i had it working when i had gentoo installed
[01:29] <Blissex> nalioth: 8cm DVD images :-) (1.3GB)
[01:29] <CookedGryphon> newborn, i found that a lot of media players either went really slow or sounded really low bitrate, beep-media-player seems to work best tho, i've tried like 5
[01:29] <newborn> CookedGryphon, just playing a cd with the included cd player
[01:29] <nalioth> blasted brand new powermac already bodgered
[01:30] <Blissex> CookedGryphon: sound system issue probably, look at troubleshooting and quality sections of http://tinyurl.com/4ogk2
[01:30] <saintFrance> hey for all you linux only people.. how do you play video games?
[01:30] <cafuego> nalioth: Just send it to me, I'll send you the athlonxp.
[01:30] <saintFrance> lol
[01:30] <jchico> saintFrance: get a console
[01:30] <saintFrance> hahaa
[01:30] <nalioth> cafuego: Athlon64x2?
[01:30] <sjg> agreed
[01:30] <sjg> console :P
[01:30] <jchico> i like my xbox. :>
[01:30] <saintFrance> bah my ps2 is mean
[01:30] <saintFrance> wait so is there a way to play windows games in linux?
[01:30] <CookedGryphon> i odn't play games much
[01:31] <CookedGryphon> some, with wine
[01:31] <nophix> saintFrance: www.transgaming.com
[01:31] <nalioth> cafuego: wonder if disk utility would work on a f/w mounted volume? (with my luck, it'd bodger my good machine)
[01:32] <Viziri> can anyone take a look at my ipconfig results and tell me what's wrong? - only a few lines
[01:32] <CookedGryphon> Viziri, that's what #flood is 4
[01:32] <CookedGryphon> or pastebin
[01:32] <thenuke> Viziri: try pasting them into pastebin
[01:32] <htaccess> hi im trying to compile something and im getting an error when i run make: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpq collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" how can i fix this?
[01:33] <newborn> i think i might have screwed things up a bit installing a newer alsa.. any way to undo that damage? =)
[01:33] <adjacent> newborn: at least you have sound =)
[01:33] <newborn> it hurts to listen to though..
[01:33] <adjacent> for me, running esd just sits there doing nothing, and my audio device seems to be invisible to everything _but_ alsa
[01:34] <CookedGryphon> newborn, have u tried all the different sound thingys?
[01:34] <newborn> nope
[01:34] <CookedGryphon> if u think its alsa that's screwed, change to OSS or somethign
[01:35] <kemik> awh :( new wine doesnt run Expekt pokerclient :(
[01:35] <CookedGryphon> system -> preferences -> multimedia system selector
[01:35] <cafuego> what's the facination with poker anyway?
[01:36] <kemik> cafuego:  you earn money.. :)
[01:36] <eliphas_> yo
[01:36] <Mekza> yo
[01:36] <kemik> cafuego:  if you play it right that is
[01:36] <Mekza> :)
[01:36] <kemik> earn/win
[01:36] <newborn> changing to OSS doesnt do anything
[01:36] <cafuego> from what I've seen on tv the idea is to lose all dress-sense and wear bad sunglasses
[01:36] <newborn> im going to reboot and check that my onboard sound is definitely disabled
[01:36] <kemik> cafuego:  hehe.. well.. true dat ;)
[01:37] <CookedGryphon> poker's all about drinking whiskey, from a bottle, with a straw, and jazz... at least in my experience
[01:37] <Viziri> ok - pasted it here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1622
[01:37] <adjacent> xit
[01:37] <kemik> cafuego:  but i've managed to win a few hundreds of $ and its fun to play :) so i want to get a client running in linux
[01:37] <kemik> so i wont' have *any* reason to dualboot
[01:37] <adjacent> kemik: vmware is your best friend
[01:37] <kemik> CookedGryphon:  homegames are nice
[01:38] <kemik> adjacent:  won't that actually run windows from linux?
[01:38] <adjacent> kemik: yep
[01:38] <cafuego> kemik: Yes, best way to run windows apps.
[01:38] <kemik> well.. wine would be a sexier solution ;)
[01:39] <kemik> but maybe i'll have to use vmware.. how much overhead isit by running 2 OS's? 10% ?
[01:39] <chi> whats with java not being available anymore>?
[01:39] <CookedGryphon> u can get jaa from Seveas' repository
[01:39] <CookedGryphon> java*
[01:39] <kemik> chi:  im not sure, someone said it was temp. broken 2days ago... but it seems odd that it's not fixed... license issues?
[01:39] <Decker|Laptop|Zz> sup all :)
[01:39] <CookedGryphon> or from www.java.com, but i got told off 4 tellin sum1 that yesterday, even tho i did n it works
[01:39] <dalamar> i heard it has been taken out of extras period
[01:40] <kemik> adjacent, cafuego; know how much overhead there is running windows with vmware ?
[01:40] <cafuego> chi: You can always build jre/jdk from the .bin from sun.
[01:40] <newborn> yay!
[01:40] <tristanmike> why would it be taken out?
[01:40] <adjacent> i say use java.com too, then things look the same on every distro
[01:40] <cafuego> kemik: a fair bit; but then again: if you run win98 or soemthing, it'll still be snappy.
[01:40] <newborn> onboard el-crappy audio wasnt disabled.. turned it off in bios and everything sound sweet now
[01:40] <newborn> thanks guys
[01:40] <adjacent> kemik: no idea, i havent had to use vmware for ages
[01:40] <kemik> *shudder* win98 .. the pain of rebooting
[01:40] <ginvent> snappy...
[01:41] <newborn> the next thing i'll need a lot of help with: getting my DVB card to work ;)
[01:41] <cafuego> no point running XP Pro in vmware JUST for a poker client
[01:41] <Dragon> hm has anyone tried Gnome Power Manager?
[01:41] <CookedGryphon> who wanted java package?
[01:41] <Viziri> Hi - i've pasted my ifconfig result here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1622 - could anyone see if there is something obvious i should to to correct the problem?
[01:41] <kemik> cafuego:  well, to identify my hardware etc it'll be hell using win98
[01:42] <kemik> Viziri:  there's no NIC configured
[01:42] <dalamar> win98 and on board stuff dont like to talk in my experience
[01:42] <Viziri> ah
[01:42] <kemik> Viziri:  what are you trying to do? isit a WLAN card ?
[01:42] <Viziri> no - it's a speedtouch ADSL mdem (330)
[01:43] <kemik> i'll install my new 1gb ram tomorrow and maybe give vmware/xp a shot... maybe
[01:43] <Viziri> I followed instructions here perfectly http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44763&page=1&pp=10&highlight=330
[01:43] <cafuego> kemik: to identify the hardware? in vmware?
[01:43] <kemik> Viziri:  ok, so the modem is connected to a ethernet card right ?
[01:43] <cafuego> kemik: the vmware helpfile tells you *exactly* what it is.
[01:43] <adjacent> kemik: i had really good results with win2k
[01:43] <cafuego> (and yes, it's all outright suppoted)
[01:43] <kemik> cafuego:  maybe i should readup on vmware ;) i though win98 still did the hardware detection etc..
[01:43] <Viziri> no ke
[01:44] <Viziri> kemik*
[01:44] <_SWAT_> kemik, let me know about the perfomance you'll get from WinXP (on VMware :D)
[01:44] <kemik> _SWAT_:  i'll do some research on vmware first ;)
[01:44] <kemik> never used it
[01:44] <cafuego> kemik: yes, but all it can detect is the hardware that's emulated by vmware, which is an intel ide controller, some dec eth chip.... etc.
[01:44] <kemik> Viziri:  so where do you plug the cable from the modem in your computer?
[01:44] <_SWAT_> kemik, VMware emulates an entire pc (more or less)
[01:45] <_SWAT_> kemik, got a 3500+ here with 2048 of RAM. That should suffice :)
[01:45] <Viziri> it's USB modem kemik
[01:45] <adjacent> argh. this is obnoxious. everything shows my sound card, but i cant get any sounds!
[01:45] <kemik> _SWAT_:  that system is lots-a-more hardcore than my 2year old baby ;) (2500+ 1gb)
[01:46] <adjacent> what good is 250G of music if you cant hear it ;)
[01:46] <kemik> Viziri:  oh, they come as USB devices now..
[01:46] <_SWAT_> kemik, that should also suffice :). I've even got WinXP working on a 350Mhz 128MB SDRAM computer :D
[01:46] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, i bet u broke it on purpose to brag about it
[01:46] <tristanmike> lol
[01:46] <kemik> Viziri:  cant help then..
[01:47] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: i wish
[01:47] <Viziri> It's driving me nuts. I've followed 3 different tutorials and no luck
[01:47] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, tell u what, post ure hdd to me, n i'l llisten to ure music, that way at least its getting used
[01:47] <kemik> _SWAT_:  mmh, i installed Ubuntu on a p2-233 64mb system.. but oh isit slow.. takes >5minutes to boot and login to X
[01:47] <_SWAT_> kemik, were you running Gnome?
[01:48] <kemik> Viziri:  well it's some weird hardware ;) how does it behave in windows?
[01:48] <kemik> _SWAT_:  yeah! ;)
[01:48] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: haha =) mail me a HD and ill load it up for you
[01:48] <_SWAT_> kemik, that's it. Just use flluxbox/openbox/enlightenment (much easier on the hardwar)
[01:48] <Viziri> it behaves perfectly kemik  - and i think it's a popular model, particuarly in UK
[01:48] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, .. interesting.... what kinda music r u into?
[01:48] <kemik> _SWAT_:  i tried IceWm, but figuring it's my parents computer i couldnt leave them with a system that didnt autodiscover their USB-printer and camera
[01:48] <kemik> _SWAT_:  i also tried xfce4
[01:49] <osity> anyone know a bit about raid 1
[01:49] <_SWAT_> kemik, right. For non-techies it's uhh... difficult
[01:49] <kemik> to say the least.. they find gnome a bit scary sooo
[01:49] <_SWAT_> osity, no, what is raid 1? ;-) :-P
[01:49] <kemik> osity:  isnt that mirroring ?
[01:49] <codecaine> stripe
[01:49] <codecaine> or mirror?
[01:49] <kemik> 0 is tripe
[01:49] <codecaine> mirror
[01:50] <osity> mirror
[01:50] <adjacent> CookedGryphon: a fairly wide variety, lots of jam stuff and classic rock
[01:50] <_SWAT_> kemik, just buy a low-budget pc.... an old AMD system or something :)
[01:50] <remyforbes777> anyone using ubuntu 64 bit
[01:50] <CookedGryphon> classic rock i like
[01:50] <CookedGryphon> jam i like
[01:50] <Viziri> it's a pain going back and forth (rebooting) from xp (to use net)  to ubuntu to try new tutorial installation guides for this modem. Is there a easier way - is there a way to access ubuntu desktop on windows xp?
[01:50] <CookedGryphon> not sure if i like jam music
[01:50] <kemik> _SWAT_:  yeah that's what i'm looking for.. something in the 150-dollar range should suffice
[01:50] <kemik> P3-500mhz or something
[01:50] <osity> i had it working and then i unplugged a drive to test and it worked...but now it's plugged in and it says "active raid [2/1]  [u_]
[01:51] <codecaine> yeah using vmware, xen or maybe even that emu loader program
[01:51] <kemik> Viziri:  not really.. that'd involve using vmware etc
[01:51] <nalioth> remyforbes777: i am on my powermac
[01:51] <kemik> Viziri:  and i dont think that's what you really want
[01:51] <CookedGryphon> adjacent, i'm having to filter my music down to my fave 30 GB neway to take to uni on my laptop
[01:51] <_SWAT_> I mean.. just use the old pc case, cd/dvd drives, disk drive, hdd, graphics card, soundcard and NIC (if possible). Then you'll only need mobo/cpu/ram (or if the old ram fits...  -EVIL
[01:52] <_SWAT_> kemik, ouch..... yeah... they're bitches allright
[01:52] <Viziri> assuming i use vmware ^^
[01:52] <_SWAT_> kemik, just build your own :) (from spare parts or something)
[01:52] <kemik> but they got it so damn cheap back in .98 ;)
[01:52] <nalioth> adjacent: you are so behind the times, the new hotness is external SATA drives
[01:53] <adjacent> nalioth: i um with the times, just not with the $$ flow
[01:53] <kemik> _SWAT_:  mmh.. but i'm out of spare parts.. all i got is 512mb ddr-ram ;)
[01:53] <_SWAT_> kemik, I've got uhh..6 PC's up here. 1 = mine, 1= parents, 1= my server, 3 = ... don't know yet. At least spare parts :D
[01:53] <CookedGryphon> i have a budget of 300 for my laptop
[01:53] <CookedGryphon> i'm a student for chrissake
[01:53] <kemik> _SWAT_:  sort of like i used to have
[01:54] <kemik> _SWAT_:  but 2 were p166mmx's so i donated them
[01:54] <CookedGryphon> *think* i'm getting value 4 money, thinkpad 1.5ghz, 256 ram, wireless lan, etc for 300
[01:54] <kemik> now i got my desktop, a server and a p2-233 laptop using debian/icewm... ;)
[01:54] <_SWAT_> it's 200Mhz, 166Mhz, 133Mhz
[01:54] <Viziri> where u getting that CookedGryphon ?
[01:54] <CookedGryphon> brand new, n with winXP (spit) pre-installed which probs bumps the price up :(
[01:54] <_SWAT_> kemik, always good for a server of somekind
[01:55] <CookedGryphon> aha, i ahve a mate who works 4 siemens n can get em uber cheap
[01:55] <_SWAT_> well, I'm going to bed know (school awaits in a few hours).
[01:55] <kemik> _SWAT_:  well, i used to live in a dorm so i really didnt need 5computers around ;)
[01:55] <kemik> gnite
[01:55] <Viziri> that's not fair, i could do with a 300 laptop with those specs
[01:55] <tristanmike> I heard if you buy a laptop from dell, I can't put Ubuntu from it because of the disks they supply, is this true?
[01:55] <kemik> tristanmike:  is sounds like bollox
[01:56] <nalioth> tristanmike: you can put ubuntu on almost anything
[01:56] <tristanmike> kemik, probably, I don''t know
[01:56] <CookedGryphon> u can put ubuntu on toast if u want
[01:56] <tristanmike> mmmmm ubuntu on toast
[01:56] <chi> amarok wont install either
[01:56] <tristanmike> They said that i have to put the os they provide
[01:56] <nalioth> tristanmike: in fact, if it werent for m$ holding the fear of financial reprocussions over Dells head, theyd sell linux on their machines already
[01:57] <plonker> hello
[01:57] <kemik> Michael Dell said something about wanting to offer Linux as an OS too i think
[01:57] <kemik> in some article/interview
[01:57] <Dragon> a.. has anyone tried Gnome Power Manager 0.1?
[01:57] <tristanmike> so it isn't anything like their BIOS is locked off, or anything
[01:57] <kemik> tristanmike:  sounds highly unlikely
[01:58] <tristanmike> ok, I want to get one in the next couple of months and I wanna get a high end one, but not if I can't put Ubuntu on :)
[01:58] <tristanmike> thanx
[01:58] <Viziri> ok ok - i think i've probably tried one too many tutorials trying to install this modem and probably jumbled up configs. Is there a quickfire way to revert to original ubuntu setup (equivalent to reinstalling a seeing ubuntu first time) without having to reinstall?
[01:58] <neels> does anyone know how to enable cpu frequency scaling on ubuntu amd64
[01:58] <neels> ?
[01:59] <kemik> tristanmike:  if it's a desktop i'd recommend you to build your own..
[01:59] <remyforbes777> anyone using ubunut 64 bit
[01:59] <kemik> Viziri:  can't say that i know how... what's the issue now? somethings not working at all ?
[02:00] <nakata> ubunut, heh..
[02:00] <nakata> obento!
[02:00] <tristanmike> kemik, no, not a desktop, if it were, I'd definiativly would build my own, kinda like the self built one I have now and gave me NO problems with Ubuntu ;)
[02:00] <Viziri> same issue - i'm just frustrated that nothing has helped and i've wasted soooo many hours trying :9
[02:00] <kemik> Viziri:  i know that feeling ;)
[02:00] <tristanmike> kemik, like an alienware or something would be nice
[02:00] <CookedGryphon> what modem type is it?
[02:00] <karljp> is http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/ now an official place to get backports? or is there a better place?
[02:00] <oceandead> overpriced imo
[02:01] <kemik> tristanmike:  aint alienware ridiculously expensive?
[02:01] <Viziri> speedtouch 330 adsl usb (silver)
[02:01] <kemik> !backports
[02:01] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[02:01] <kemik> o crap.. someone changed it...
[02:01] <kemik> !hoary-backports
[02:01] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, kemik
[02:01] <tristanmike> kemik, i was looking at some laptops and they were somewhat comperable to dells, a little more pricey but i like the case
[02:01] <CookedGryphon> hmm, i jsut ahve dialup modem n it just worked
[02:02] <kemik> tristanmike:  looks before functionality... -apple! ;) j/k
[02:02] <tristanmike> kemik, touche
[02:02] <dalamar> my homebuilt desktop gave me no probs with ubnutu either, -everything- worked out of the box ;)
[02:03] <tristanmike> I was looking at "linux laptops" like laptops sold with linux and they were like 4 grand US, I couldn't believe it
[02:03] <oceandead> psscht
[02:04] <cafuego> tristanmike: I believe Ubuntu has a laptop program with HP laptops. Find out which model and check the HP site :-)
[02:04] <Viziri> ok - i'm reinstalling :(. I give it one more go, and if it messes up again i give up like i did with Mandrake....  and then go back to windows.  Many people are having problems with that
[02:05] <kemik> karljp:  that Backports are now official ;)
[02:06] <oceandead> oh you can buy laptop components and put it together yourself
[02:06] <kemik> Viziri:  mmh, M$ really has the plug'n'play edge
[02:06] <oceandead> but you dont save  all that much money and its more of a pain
[02:06] <kemik> oceandead:  well i'd hardly recommend that tho
[02:06] <Viziri> yeah :( ...  my ISP supply it free with new customers
[02:06] <Viziri> to*
[02:06] <karljp> so does that mean they're now a repository on [country] .archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports ?
[02:06] <kemik> when it comes to laptops i'm sticking with brand-names.. due to quality issues
[02:07] <dalamar> oceandead, exactly, hardly close to building a desktop machine
[02:07] <kemik> had a non-brand laptop and everthing broke init
[02:07] <cafuego> Viziri: Just coz it's free from the ISP doesn't mean you can't run your own, self-bought, ethernet dsl modem instead.
[02:07] <dalamar> brand names are key in everything, even desktop heh
[02:07] <oceandead> dalamar: for sure not the same - i was just saying you can if you really want to
[02:07] <dalamar> the more ppl that use your hardware the more support it can possibly have imo
[02:07] <kemik> dalamar:  no, when it comes to desktops brand-names are more of a headache imo
[02:08] <oceandead> dalamar: that, i disagree with
[02:08] <dalamar> kemik, thats the silliest thing ive ever heard
[02:08] <webby> hi
[02:08] <oceandead> although, i guess it depends on your budget...
[02:08] <dalamar> my comp is all brand name and everything is smooth as glass
[02:08] <karljp> dalamar, I'm with kemik on this
[02:08] <kemik> dalamar:  they all have non-standard solutions so they force you to buy their overprice *shit*
[02:08] <cafuego> dalamar: Yes, because broadcom 802.11b (like the one EVERYONE uses) has *such* great support *smirk*
[02:08] <karljp> brand name desktops are often junk and over priced.
[02:08] <adjacent> ok. im buying a new sound card, this old sblive 5.1! is pissing me off too much
[02:08] <tristanmike> I would never ever buy a dell for a desktop, I'd have to build my own, I don't trust commercial desktop systems
[02:08] <karljp> brandname laptops actually work
[02:08] <cafuego> s/b/g/
[02:08] <oceandead> if youve only got $500 for a desktop - you might as well get a brand name
[02:09] <adjacent> any opinions on the turtle beach riviera?
[02:09] <CookedGryphon> i ahve only ever had a brand pc, and it was shite, coul,dn't change everything, they stuck it in place with lil clips that broke as soon as u touched em
[02:09] <darkslider> If you only have $500. . . you need to look in the right place for parts.
[02:09] <oceandead> but if youve got a few bucks - put it together yourself
[02:09] <dalamar> im not saying a -built- brand name desktop, im saying the parts you use in a custom built should be brand name heh
[02:09] <cafuego> CookedGryphon: the idea is that you don't touch it, but pay them to do it.
[02:09] <darkslider> I built my own for only $400.
[02:09] <oceandead> darkslider, somewhere aside from ebay i hope ;)
[02:09] <cafuego> CookedGryphon: See, you bought  abrand name PC< therefore you know nothing about computers and will NOT attempt to modify it yourself.
[02:09] <CookedGryphon> i kno, tha'ts my gripe
[02:09] <tristanmike> mine was $1200 after the monitor
[02:10] <dalamar> i not talking dell's guys lol, i mean the guts should be brand name
[02:10] <CookedGryphon> but i got given it, so felt obliged to take it
[02:10] <CookedGryphon> oh rite
[02:10] <karljp> dalamar, ok, that's completely different :)
[02:10] <CookedGryphon> that's different
[02:10] <oceandead> hahaha - then i agree dalamar
[02:10] <karljp> we probably all agree with you then :)
[02:10] <tristanmike> yup, yup
[02:10] <darkslider> Oceandead: Not from Ebay. . .
[02:10] <tristanmike> lol
[02:10] <dalamar> indeed ;)
[02:10] <cafuego> dalamar: As long as the brand isn't Realtek.
[02:10] <kemik> realtek for the win!
[02:10] <nalioth> dell is selling lappys for $499 nowadays
[02:10] <kemik> heheehe
[02:10] <kemik> :/
[02:11] <dalamar> cafuego, i dont consider that brand name  .. lol and -anything- windows specific!
[02:11] <cafuego> nalioth: but they're dell... they stink.
[02:11] <oceandead> yep - check out the refurbished dell laptops for a deal too - same warranty as new ;)
[02:11] <oceandead> dell laptops arent too bad - id rather have a toshiba but...
[02:12] <CookedGryphon> what about an ibm thinkpad?
[02:12] <karljp> is there any way to get a list of what's in hoary-backports?
[02:12] <tristanmike> i was impressed with the ibm ones
[02:12] <cafuego> oceandead: a pile of dead ones here say otherwise
[02:12] <karljp> thinkpads rock, but are far too expensive :(
[02:12] <CookedGryphon> yeah i'm getting one for 300
[02:12] <karljp> dell laptops are cheap, but not nearly as solid as  the thinkpads
[02:12] <oceandead> pile of dead laptop whats -  dells or toshibas
[02:12] <CookedGryphon> 1.5ghz 256 mb ram, wireless lan etc
[02:13] <karljp> and everybody loves the nipple.
[02:13] <cafuego> karljp: you get what you pay for. if you still want it to work in 5 years, a thinkpad is cheap.. whereas a dell will have been 'remanufactured' 8 times at that point.
[02:13] <oceandead> yeah but we were talkin budget laptops
[02:13] <juanej> how do i take a screenshot with console or the gimp?
[02:13] <dalamar> linux and lappies have always had headaches .. its just one of those things where you cant control what hardware's inside it and support for matsushitagonnamukruasen hardware just isnt there ;)
[02:13] <tristanmike> so spend the 2 grand on a tink-pad, ;)
[02:13] <karljp> cafuego, hehe sure.
[02:13] <tristanmike> ??
[02:13] <oceandead> thinkpads aint exactly $500
[02:13] <karljp> depends whether you still want to use the thinkpad in 5 years or not anyway :)
[02:13] <karljp> I'm more concerned with slining it around rough for 2 years, vs 6 months
[02:13] <kemik> IBM's designteam usually gives me nightmares
[02:14] <tristanmike> dell and ibm let me "customize" the laptop, raised the price to make it more Ubuntu friendly
[02:14] <dalamar> i've owned an old thinkpad and it still wasnt easier .. it may be diferent now though
[02:14] <cafuego> tristanmike: You don't like the Linux tax?
[02:14] <rendi> guy's i wanna download mp3 have program like winmx ??
[02:14] <karljp> sooo, is there any way to see what's actually in hoary-backports?
[02:14] <CookedGryphon> rendi, beep-media-player's the best i've found
[02:14] <tristanmike> cafuego, i guess it's only fair, since i don't pay for the software :)
[02:14] <cafuego> rendi: doenloading mp3s is piracy, mate.
[02:14] <oceandead> lame
[02:15] <CookedGryphon> oh sry eyes not working
[02:15] <kemik> cafuego:  nah, it's not
[02:15] <oceandead> not all mp3
[02:15] <CookedGryphon> download, there's limwire
[02:15] <kemik> cafuego:  only copyright protected mp3s
[02:15] <rendi> in xp i usualy use winmx
[02:15] <kemik> !dcpp
[02:15] <ubotu> methinks dcpp is http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42084 , a porting of the popular DC++ client
[02:15] <rendi> mm like kazaa
[02:15] <cafuego> if you NEED winmx, it probably is
[02:15] <rendi> mp3 sharing
[02:15] <medamaybe> could someone please tell me why I even bother with making backup files?!?!
[02:15] <kemik> rendi:  tried DC ?
[02:15] <dalamar> kazaa is poop ;)
[02:15] <kemik> rendi:  if not, see ubotu's link
[02:15] <CookedGryphon> rendi, limewire is like kazaa
[02:15] <oceandead>  lame or amule etc
[02:15] <medamaybe> samba worked, I messed the smb.conf file up, I restored the backup smb.conf file  and it doesn't work anymore!?!
[02:16] <tristanmike> boo-urns to limewire and kazza....C.R.A.P.
[02:16] <kemik> medamaybe:  maybe you messed up with the restoring part?
[02:16] <eliphas_> I have a friend he has a error 2& with grub
[02:16] <eliphas_> 21*
[02:16] <kemik> medamaybe:  and you've restarted the sambaserver ?
[02:16] <medamaybe> no, I'm absolutely sure I didn't mess up with the restoring part
[02:16] <medamaybe> I double checked it
[02:16] <medamaybe> and yeah, I've restarted the samba server
[02:16] <dalamar> usenet is your friend for dling -anything- ;)
[02:17] <oceandead> hahaha
[02:17] <karljp> ok, looks like gnomebaker 0.4 isn't in backports anyway :)
[02:17] <dalamar> arrr!
[02:17] <karljp> back to the source
[02:17] <kemik> medamaybe:  and you've gone over the smb.conf file again, made sure it's correct ?
[02:17] <medamaybe> yeah I have
[02:18] <karljp> usenet is like sucking the firehydrant of warez and porn
[02:18] <medamaybe> I only changed the workgroup and security
[02:18] <kemik> medamaybe:  so what exactly isnt working now ?
[02:18] <medamaybe> uhm..I can't see anything in my LAN
[02:18] <kemik> tried accessing it with the IP number ?
[02:18] <adjacent> aha. got sound through esd
[02:18] <oceandead> mmm porn
[02:18] <adjacent> which sucks, but its way better than no sound at all
[02:19] <medamaybe> not yet
[02:19] <benplaut> hello :)
[02:19] <tristanmike> hi
[02:19] <oceandead> internet would be a waste without it - well, ok, maybe not a _waste_ but ...
[02:19] <medamaybe> omg...it's working again
[02:19] <medamaybe> and I didn't change a thing
[02:19] <dalamar> magic!
[02:19] <kemik> oceandead:  there would be no internet w/o porn
[02:19] <durt> you can get great porn if you have a videosz.com pass...
[02:20] <oceandead> there would be but it would be boring as hell thats for sure
[02:20] <dalamar> dvds, albums. games, there is internet without porn ;)
[02:20] <mach4> where do I get a videosz pass
[02:20] <kemik> mmh, probably only for academics ,)
[02:20] <kemik> but let's not turn this into a porn/warez channel
[02:20] <kemik> im sure some ppl would be very upset
[02:21] <durt> ubuntu would be more popular if it shipped with some free porn
[02:21] <oceandead> hahaha
[02:21] <kemik> durt:  yeah it would be the OS of choice for many i'm sure
[02:21] <dalamar> yeah but some admins in the chan are a lil too uptight about 'off-topic' stuff imo .. i mean the whole ubuntu thing is about community and what are we spose to chat about if all our systems are working okay? ;p
[02:22] <karljp> anyone know which of the multitude of *gnomeui* packages gnomebaker needs?
[02:22] <oceandead> there is an off-topic channel
[02:22] <kemik> dalamar:  true that... ;) but still.. they're admins and not youme ;)
[02:22] <dalamar> oceandead, which is always dead ;p
[02:22] <dalamar> kemik, true heh
[02:22] <oceandead> i know ive been in it the whole time, not a word
[02:23] <dalamar> oceandead, i talk more in my sleep than the people chat in that channel
[02:23] <oceandead> the whole time ive been in this channel as well i mean
[02:23] <oceandead> dalamar hahaha you too ?
[02:23] <rendi> where to download gnome theme ?
[02:23] <rendi> have any site ?
[02:23] <dalamar> oh jeez, i give away all the secrets, cant sleep w/ the gf ;)
[02:23] <iiiears> gnome-look.org
[02:23] <Luna-Tick> or http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//art.gnome.org/&ei=E2EOQ53kLMr2YODv7LcE
[02:24] <nalioth> rendi: www.deviantart.com
[02:24] <concept10> what means does ubuntu use to automount usb hard disks?  my automounting isnt working today
[02:24] <rendi> ty
[02:24] <Luna-Tick> er... http://art.gnome.org/
[02:24] <karljp> bloody hell. gnome libraries are a mess
[02:25] <oceandead> gnome-volume-manager i believe
[02:25] <g14> Does anyone know how hard it is to remaster an ubuntu live cd?
[02:25] <benplaut> !remaster
[02:25] <ubotu> benplaut: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:25] <benplaut> no, i didn;t
[02:25] <g14> I want to make a live cd for the hula project http://www.hula-project.org
[02:25] <dalamar> only in holland
[02:25] <dalamar> ubotu your the coolest!
[02:25] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, dalamar
[02:26] <dalamar> well i dont know any other languages ubotu
[02:26] <medamaybe> could someone explain to me the difference between security = share  and security = user, in the smb.conf file?
[02:26] <concept10> g14, looking up remastering knoppix and probably more specifically gnoppix
[02:26] <g14> I was wondering if anyone has done it
[02:26] <g14> Im interested in using the ubuntu breezy live cd, not knoppix
[02:27] <oceandead> same principle ?
[02:27] <concept10> g14, you dont have to use knoppix, just the instructions, gnoppix is based on ubuntu now
[02:28] <g14> ok
[02:28] <fanopnaic> ouch, are the newer lftp versions with TLS supposed to work with SSL?
[02:28] <karljp> anyone know how to hack around ubuntu's package names for gnome?  gnomebaker wants to use pkg-config to find libgnomeui-2.0
[02:28] <Glenage> hey all
[02:28] <Luna-Tick> Hi Glenage :_
[02:29] <Glenage> okay
[02:29] <Glenage> question time
[02:29] <avanspronsen> medamaybe: share = one password for the share, user = user id/password for each user
[02:29] <Glenage> is this anything like sony sound forge in linux? doesnt have to be as complex or as good, just basic features
[02:29] <g14> karljp: hack around gnomebaker's make and autoconf files
[02:29] <oceandead> audacity
[02:29] <karljp> that's one way I guess
[02:29] <g14> Glenage: Ardour
[02:29] <benplaut> Glenage, is that an audio editor?
[02:30] <Glenage> benplaut: yes
[02:30] <benplaut> audacity
[02:30] <benplaut> or pick up this month's Linux Format magazine... they review about 7
[02:30] <concept10> Audacity will do the job, but it isnt close to being as robust as Sound Forge
[02:30] <Glenage> i have my decks connected to my PC via line-in on my sound card, i can record mixes using sony sound forge and was wounding if i could do it in linux
[02:31] <karljp> bloody people that make cd burning software depend on vorbis and mp3 decoders
[02:31] <karljp> unhelpful.
[02:31] <concept10> Glenage, Audacity for stereo tracks, Im not sure about the multitrack recording capabilities of it.
[02:31] <benplaut> how can i hook up an ubuntu laptop to log into a windows domain?
[02:32] <concept10> karljp, they cant include that stuff, along with all other 'free' software
[02:32] <karljp> no, I wish they wouldn't but it is
[02:32] <oceandead> automagically or...
[02:32] <karljp> well, not mp3
[02:32] <karljp> but gnomebaker depends on libvorbis
[02:32] <Glenage> okay thanks concept10
[02:32] <karljp> and has no configure --option to disable it
[02:32] <rendi> lol now how to instal that's theme
[02:32] <concept10> karljp, just install it
[02:32] <g14> gnomebaker 0.4 uses gstreamer, not libvorbis
[02:32] <rendi> !theme
[02:32] <ubotu> rendi: I give up, what is it?
[02:32] <jkblitz> hi if i instal ubuntu can i later on restor the pc back to windows
[02:33] <karljp> well, it depends on vorbisfile
[02:33] <karljp> concept10, sure, but I shouldn't have to!
[02:33] <concept10> rendi, whats the problem
[02:33] <CookdGryphon> jkblitz, depends, do u want to retrieve all you rocs and programs?
[02:33] <g14> Ubuntu doesnt have gnomebaker 0.4 right now
[02:33] <jimothy> karl, do you have an ubuntu live cd:
[02:33] <concept10> karljp, you could have installed it by now
[02:33] <rendi> i have already donwload theme from http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=150
[02:33] <rendi> now i can't find the readme
[02:33] <karljp> concept10, much rather whine about it :)
[02:33] <jkblitz> no just if i dont like ubuntu
[02:33] <rendi> how to instal that theme
[02:34] <karljp> just about all the cd burning packages I've looked at wanted to install lots of audio codecs that I don't need/want
[02:34] <CookdGryphon> jkblitz, if u want to try out ubuntu without risk you could get the live cd to try out ubuntu
[02:34] <concept10> rendi, open folder that contains the theme, drag and drop the theme to the theme window
[02:34] <rendi> theme window ?
[02:34] <jkblitz> really
[02:34] <concept10> karljp, the mp3 codec is to turn the mp3's to wav files when you want to make a cd
[02:35] <karljp> I knwo what it's for silly
[02:35] <karljp> but if I never burn cds like that, why should I be forced to install them?
[02:35] <rendi> in dir /home/admin/.themes ?
[02:35] <concept10> rendi, system > prefrences > theme
[02:35] <CookdGryphon> jkblitz, yea, dl the cd image, burn it to a cd, then u can boot from it without touching ure hard drive
[02:36] <rendi> and
[02:36] <ce33na> I don't worry too much about extra codecs/libraries/etc. This is not windows. They will not break the system and they usually don't take up too much room.
[02:36] <karljp> they don't break them on windows either actually.
[02:36] <concept10> karljp, you shouldnt have to... but it might have hooks into the encoder for something else. You have to realize free software is built upon other free software and libraries
[02:36] <concept10> rendi, self explanitory
[02:37] <concept10> rendi, drag the .tar.bz file into the theme window
[02:37] <concept10> and drop it like its hot
[02:38] <rendi> it say format invalid
[02:38] <concept10> rendi, what theme are you talking about
[02:38] <rendi> i'm download from this site http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=15783
[02:39] <ce33na> system-preferences-theme-install theme
[02:39] <jkblitz> so in theroy if i used a windeos restore disk i could go back from linux to the windeos os?
[02:39] <ubuntu43243243> hi
[02:39] <volvoguy> ok folks. i moved hdb from my raid array from the first ide bus to the second and apparently it can't find it (wrong uuid?). will i need to boot a live cd or something to troubeshoot?
[02:39] <rendi> The format is invalid
[02:40] <concept10> rendi, thats not a theme
[02:40] <rendi> 15994-tuxmania.tar.gz
[02:40] <rendi> lol
[02:40] <ce33na> jkblitz: if you install linux and then want windows back...you will have to do a fresh windows installation (unless you did a dual boot setup)
[02:40] <concept10> that is the login for GDM
[02:40] <ubuntu43243243> I want to install ubuntu, but the installer doesnt see my partitions, I have 1 ntfs, 1 fat32, 1 reiserfs, 1swap
[02:40] <rendi> oh ic
[02:40] <hardw1re> !kernel
[02:40] <ubuntu43243243> but they dont appear on the manual partition menu
[02:41] <jkblitz> what??
[02:41] <volvoguy> ubuntu43243243, IDE or SATA?
[02:41] <ubuntu43243243> volvoguy, IDE
[02:41] <concept10> ubuntu43243243, install on whatever partition and mount them later
[02:41] <concept10> so
[02:41] <jamie_1> guten tag.
[02:41] <ubuntu43243243> concept10, it tells me that it will create a big partitionin all the disk, soi wil loose all my partitions
[02:42] <Madpilot> hi everyone
[02:42] <volvoguy> ubuntu43243243, hmm... i can't say i've ever run into that. how did you create the partitions?
[02:42] <concept10> volvoguy, me either.
[02:42] <ubuntu43243243> with windaows, and Im running another linux
[02:42] <volvoguy> ubuntu43243243, can you go back a step and tell it  you want to manually edit the partitions?
[02:42] <karljp> http://pastebin.com/346447  gotta love patch searching
[02:42] <ubuntu43243243> thats what I select
[02:42] <ce33na> ubuntu43243243: please run that by me again. It sounds like you want to manually edit
[02:43] <ericz> when you order cd's from shipit.ubuntu.com... do the install cd's include a way to install a bootloader?
[02:43] <ce33na> ubuntu43243243: if you have another linux, you could create the partition from there if you have free space available
[02:43] <ubuntu43243243> I have 2 options -> erase the entire disk or manually edit the partitiontable
[02:43] <volvoguy> ubuntu43243243, that IS weird. you can boot your other linux OS and mount the drives ok?
[02:43] <concept10> karljp, what are you doing? why did you just use synaptic, apt-get or aptitude?
[02:43] <ubuntu43243243> I use the second one, but none of my partitions appear
[02:43] <ubuntu43243243> yeah
[02:43] <concept10> *didnt
[02:44] <ubuntu43243243> I can enter the other linux
[02:44] <juanej> anyone using xchat tray plugin on xfce??
[02:44] <ubuntu43243243> I just dont know why ubuntu doesnt see them
[02:44] <karljp> concept10, no, that's after a checkinstall from source
[02:44] <concept10> why dont you just use apt-get?
[02:44] <volvoguy> ubuntu43243243, is it a weird motherboard or laptop or soemthing? i've just never even heard of ubuntu not detecting an ide drive.
[02:44] <ce33na> yep...set up the partitions from the side that works, then make sure and install ubuntu on those partitions.
[02:45] <karljp> concept10, if you can show me gnomebaker 0.4.x in apt, then by all means :)
[02:45] <karljp> you think I do this for fun?
[02:45] <ubuntu43243243> mmm. I dont knowits a compaq presario 2100, Ive never had problems before
[02:45] <dalamar> k3b owns anyway ;)
[02:46] <concept10> karljp, yes, you seem you are looking for some fun today..... (I didnt know you wanted 0.4
[02:46] <volvoguy> ubuntu43243243, well i'm sure there's probably some poking around with the hardware while in your outher linux install, but i'm no expert. i probably can't help troubleshoot any further.
[02:46] <karljp> I need 0.4.1 to be able to add a volume label to a dvd
[02:46] <karljp> though I should really jsut go and get nero for liinux and be done with it.
[02:47] <ce33na> ubuntu43243243: if you get it working...I wouldn't worry too much about why. You only have to install debian based systems, such as ubuntu, once. You can upgrade on the fly from a single successful installation
[02:47] <concept10> karljp, just use a sticker
[02:47] <concept10> :)
[02:47] <ubuntu43243243> ce33na, I have arch linux onit
[02:47] <concept10> or a sharpie
[02:47] <karljp> it will have writing on it as well.
[02:47] <volvoguy> karljp, nerolinux isn't really up to par with the open source burners yet. just fyi.
[02:48] <karljp> volvoguy, nice to know, thanks.
[02:48] <dalamar> sharpies are the coolest
[02:48] <karljp> was sort of hoping for nero on windows, only for linux
[02:48] <ubuntu43243243> volvoguy, Im going to try again and I will write down what it shows me
[02:48] <concept10> karljp, your paste doesnt provide any debugging info
[02:48] <ce33na> ubuntu43243243:  I have no experience woth arch linux. I'm sure the basic tools are there. This problem can be handled with tomsrtbt for that matter.
[02:49] <jasoncohen> karljp, have you tried k3b or gnomebaker?
[02:49] <ubuntu43243243> ce33na, maybe theres a bug on the installer
[02:49] <volvoguy> karljp, not to knock it - it does what their website says it does, but it's not anything like the windows version and the linux version usues a lot of older libraries.
[02:49] <ubuntu43243243> be right back
[02:49] <karljp> jason: you've obvioiusly not been paying attention to the conversation :)  this all started by trying to get a recent version of gnomebaker running
[02:49] <karljp> I've tried k3b, but I find qt's file dialog world to be just weird
[02:50] <karljp> it has different pros and cons to gnomebaker.
[02:50] <rendi> anyone now can help me how to instal gnome icon ?
[02:50] <karljp> so neither of them are optimal really ;)
[02:50] <dalamar> k3b is seckzy
[02:50] <volvoguy> karljp, i joined the conversation late. have you tried the typical "configure, make, make install" route instead of checkinstall?
[02:50] <jasoncohen> karljp, i wasn't following. i just started reading
[02:50] <concept10> rendi, icons?
[02:50] <rendi> yup
[02:50] <rendi> icons
[02:51] <karljp> oh yeah, k3b wouldn't let me resize columns, so I couldn't see all the whole filename
[02:51] <concept10> rendi, drag and drop like before
[02:51] <karljp> volvoguy, checkinstall just replaces the make install section
[02:51] <ce33na> rendi: on the desktop?
[02:51] <karljp> not the rest of it.
[02:51] <rendi> drag and drop to ?
[02:51] <rendi> what place ?
[02:51] <karljp> you still config/make, you jsut get a .deb made and isntalled for you at the end, that you can remove afterwards
[02:51] <ce33na> rendi: sorry, I'm not following
[02:52] <diegovb> i need help
[02:52] <volvoguy> karljp, ok. just checking. i've only needed to do one non-apt install thus far and it was for some silly little thing.
[02:52] <karljp> hehe, lucky you :)
[02:52] <karljp> I do plenty
[02:52] <rendi> oh done
[02:52] <concept10> rendi, system > prefrences > theme > theme details button > theme tab
[02:52] <rendi> yes drag and drop
[02:52] <rendi> ty
[02:52] <rendi> :)
[02:52] <nalioth> now we play with the lovely livecd
[02:53] <diegovb> can you help me installing tibia?
[02:53] <zerboxx> Has anyone here setup the WPC54Gver2 with ndiswrapper?
[02:53] <diegovb> :O
[02:53] <hari`> diegovb, remove patella first, and be careful of ankle tendons.
[02:53] <ce33na> tibia?
[02:54] <ce33na> isn't that a bone
[02:54] <volvoguy> rendi, do concept10's last suggestion. open up theme preferences and drag/drop in that window.
[02:54] <diegovb> Tibia, the game, tibia.com
[02:54] <ericz> does anyone know if the install cd's shipped from "shipit" on ubuntus website has configuration for a bootloader?
[02:54] <ericz> or does it wipe the hard drive
[02:54] <nalioth> ericz: yes it does
[02:54] <nalioth> ericz: you can choose either way
[02:54] <ericz> ok, great
[02:54] <ericz> thanks
[02:55] <diegovb> how can ia install tibia?
[02:55] <eazel7> hi ppl
[02:55] <eazel7> I have an obvious bug here, that seems that I will never solve by reinstalling another thousand times dbus or hal (packages.ubuntu.com says it's in devel/dbus, but I use the latest dbus packages
[02:55] <eazel7> Failed to start message bus: Failed to open "/etc/dbus-1/system.conf": No such file or directory
[02:55] <ce33na> diegovb: give me a second. I'm updating my package list to see if it is there
[02:56] <eazel7> I doesn't have that file, how can I get it? somebody had this problem or can help?
[02:56] <eazel7> (this leads into errors starting hal)
[02:56] <ce33na> diegovb: have you ever installed from source?
[02:56] <concept10> !mount
[02:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives
[02:56] <karljp> hmm, doesn't burn a dvd as fast as windows did, but at least it seems to be doing it :)
[02:57] <volvoguy> which did you end up with karljp ?
[02:57] <karljp> gnomebaker is chugging away.
[02:57] <volvoguy> karljp, cool!
[02:57] <karljp> it's worked for cds in the past, but this is the first dvd I've stuck it with
[02:58] <concept10> anyone know anything about anyone and anything ?
[02:58] <darkheart> !dma
[02:58] <karljp> it's easier than the cli, but not nero for windows.
[02:58] <volvoguy> concept10, yes. i do.
[02:58] <karljp> so good enough I guess
[02:58] <ce33na> diegovb: I'm using many extra package repositories and it is not there. I'll stick my kneck out and say that this is a source code install.
[02:59] <concept10> I need help with mounting my USB hard drive, it used to auto mount but it doesnt now.  Where should I start?
[02:59] <volvoguy> karljp, i often email nero and encourage them to keep working on the linux version. i usually get a thank you message back saying that it isn't a high priority but they're still working on it.
[02:59] <dennis__> Guys
[02:59] <karljp> probably getting done by a staff member at home during the night
[02:59] <dennis__> How would I start the esd service?
[02:59] <ce33na> concept10: /etc/fstab
[02:59] <darkheart> dennis__ Type 'esd' in a console
[03:00] <dennis__> K
[03:00] <volvoguy> karljp, most likely. :)
[03:00] <dennis__> Thanks darkheart
[03:00] <darkheart> np
[03:00] <ce33na> be careful...make a backup copy if you have never been there before
[03:01] <volvoguy> i guess i lost my RAID guru from earlier. he said i shouldn't have a problem moving one disk from an array to another IDE bus. i seem to be having issues with it though (even though it's still "hdb" as it was on the first ide bus).
[03:02] <orlok> volvoguy: what sorts of controllers?
[03:02] <orlok> some use different CHS translation methods
[03:02] <benson> i need some help mounting a hdd
[03:02] <concept10> ce33na, usb hasnt been mounted using fstab
[03:02] <volvoguy> orlok, just regular IDE controllers. using linux software raid.
[03:03] <orlok> volvoguy: if its a different bus, how could it still be hdb?
[03:03] <zerboxx> Anybody here use a wireless PCMCIA card??
[03:03] <orlok> or did you remove one controller and add another?
[03:03] <darkheart> !usb
[03:03] <ubotu> darkheart: Are you on ritalin?
[03:03] <durt> zeroboxx: yes
[03:03] <medamaybe> what do I have to do for my win2000 box to show up in the "network places" in ubuntu?
[03:03] <orlok> volvoguy: and what chipset/brant is the ide controller?
[03:03] <ce33na> concept10: I'm going to back out on this one. I don't understand everything I know about how linux handles usb
[03:04] <volvoguy> orlok, once i got ubuntu installed i removed the cdrom drive and moved the second HDD to that bus. so each ide drive is on it's own bus by itself.
[03:04] <volvoguy> the one on the primary buss should still be hda, second drive on second controller still hdb.
[03:04] <benson> if soemone coudl help me send me a PM please
[03:05] <orlok> volvoguy: thats weird, secondary master is usually hdc
[03:05] <volvoguy> orlok, it's a hand me down computer. i didn't poke around much. i think it might be a via chipset.
[03:05] <karljp> benson, just help clarify what you're trying to do
[03:05] <orlok> hda/hdb/hdc/hdd
[03:05] <zerboxx> durt: Do the lights on your card work? I just bought a new card, and ndiswrapper finds the hardware, but the power/link light isn't working
[03:06] <volvoguy> orlok, when i initially installed, both drives were on the first controller and were hda and hdb. cdrom was on the second bus and was hdc.
[03:06] <durt> zeroboxx: what type of card are you using?
[03:06] <darkheart> concept10 Paste the output of 'mount' when you plug in your USB drive.
[03:06] <benson> well im trying to setup a duel boot, i installed windows, and i installed ubuntu, well, i rebooted and hit ESC to get to the menu and all i have were 3 linux choices, some people said i installed ubuntu over windows, but i knew i didnt, we finally found it and mounted it in /mnt/windows, im wondering if i need to reinstall windows or what am I missing for the dual boot to work?
[03:06] <orlok> volvoguy: so the primary slave is now on the secondary controller?
[03:07] <orlok> volvoguy: did you rejumper it?
[03:07] <zerboxx> durt: WPC54G(ver2) with ndiswrapper
[03:07] <Mr-Petah> hi all, i have a problem mounting a iso image, here is the error: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/1624
[03:07] <volvoguy> orlok, yep. primary slave moved to secondary master - and i moved the jumper to make it a master.
[03:07] <Mr-Petah> need help, support me plz ;)
[03:08] <avanspronsen> !dualboot
[03:08] <ubotu> [dualboot]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[03:08] <concept10> darkheart, thanks, but i mounted them already
[03:08] <durt> zerboxx: good - have that too: you have to rmmod ndiswrapper, rmmod acx_pci, then modprobe ndiswrapper again
[03:08] <darkheart> concept10 So you got it working?
[03:08] <benson> well i was able to mount the windows partition, but i cant find my other drive
[03:09] <zerboxx> durt: Will that be constant now? light will always be on?
[03:09] <volvoguy> orlok, i'm going to move it back to it's original position and poke around to see if the config files are messed up somewhere.
[03:09] <concept10> darkheart, yes, but I was wondering why it didnt automount as usual.
[03:09] <nadjyla> good bye
[03:09] <zerboxx> durt: and just curious, which driver did you install? (I used lstinds)
[03:09] <darkheart> concept10 Yeah, sometimes that stuff is screwy..
[03:10] <iiiears> Mr-Petah - I don't know if it means anything but NFSU2 is a securerom protected disk. - curious how were you able to make an iso? -  never had any luck myself.
[03:10] <durt> zerboxx: so it came on? if so, add "acx_pci" to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[03:10] <volvoguy> i'm off to go kick this thing around. be back in a bit.
[03:10] <durt> zerboxx: i loaded both INFs just in case
[03:10] <zerboxx> durt: heh, good thinking
[03:10] <zerboxx> durt: and last question (hopefully) what is ESSID?
[03:11] <concept10> I guess I will reboot and find out
[03:11] <durt> zerboxx: that's the name of the network you are trying to connect to
[03:11] <zerboxx> durt: what if I'm not sure of the name?
[03:12] <durt> zerboxx: run "iwlist"
[03:12] <morbidi> zerboxx: iwlist wlan0 scan
[03:13] <durt> hehe - thats what i meant
[03:13] <nalioth> cafuego: you got a athlon64x2?
[03:13] <zerboxx> modbidi, durt: Ah ok.  Kinda difficult for me right now, I'm not anywhere near my wireless network, so I'll have to try again when I'm closer :)
[03:14] <durt> zerboxx: if your using a linksys router/switch, it might be called "linksys", assuming it hasnt been changed
[03:14] <ngd> how can I load the default Ubuntu GTK theme if I'm not booting into gnome but my own window manager instead?
[03:14] <zerboxx> durt: nope, I know it's changed, but if it were "linksys" when I type "iwlist wlan0 scan" it will show "linksys"?
[03:14] <durt> yup
[03:15] <zerboxx> durt: perfect, hopefully it'll work when I'm back home.  Thanks!
[03:15] <ngd> GTK themes anyone?
[03:15] <medamaybe> does anyone know if there's a limit to length of the workgroupname in ubuntu?
[03:15] <ngd> I've tried putting it in .gtkrc but doesn't seem to fly
[03:16] <damsko>  someone knows how to change xine splash image?
[03:16] <iiiears> http://gnome-look.org
[03:16] <iiiears> nvm
[03:17] <ngd> iiiears: any idea how to load a gtk theme if your not booting into Gnome?
[03:17] <iiiears> ngd - afraid i don't sorry..
[03:18] <ngd> iiiears: np
[03:18] <Mr-Petah> iiiears, the file is good, i play it in windows, but i can't mount this in my ubuntu
[03:18] <Dime> i have a problem with mplayer
[03:18] <durt> zerboxx: one more thing: dont forget to run "ndiswrapper -m" and youre set
[03:18] <Dime> its open and will not close
[03:18] <Dime> how do i close it or shut it down
[03:19] <zerboxx> durt: what does that do?
[03:19] <ce33na> Dime: use xkill
[03:19] <Mr-Petah> iiiears, in windows, i can mount the file whit a nero tool
[03:19] <durt> Dime: killall mplayer
[03:19] <vortek> Hello I'm a debian user by defualt .. BUt all I had was this ubuntu cd lying around.. Im impressed  :)
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[03:19] <durt> zerboxx makes ndiswrapper load at boot
[03:19] <vortek> So I installed it and its nice... A tad bit to user freindly though ;)
[03:19] <HrdwrBoB> yes, ubuntu is like debian only it Just Works and is Pretty
[03:19] <zerboxx> durt: I did that before I installed the other driver, do I have to do it again?
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> vortek: HA! we can't be having that :P
[03:20] <ce33na> vortek: me too. I was impressed enough to make the switch
[03:20] <vortek> ;)
[03:20] <bigbootay> at work we use debian for servers and ubuntu and debian for desktops.
[03:20] <bigbootay> more and more ubunut on the desktop, though.
[03:20] <vortek> All though I mise kernel-package
[03:20] <vortek> bigbootay: yeah it does save time on confurations :)
[03:20] <HrdwrBoB> bigbootay: I've been using ubuntu for servers
[03:21] <durt> zerboxx, wont hurt
[03:21] <vortek> Whats the best way to make a custom kernel I need some speed and optimizations
[03:21] <bigbootay> where are the servers, though?
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> pretty much the same thing, but I only need to worry about a single distro
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> in the server room
[03:21] <nakata> i don't wanna work
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> vortek: no need
[03:21] <nakata> i just want to bang on de drum all day.
[03:21] <nakata> ...or my gf
[03:21] <zerboxx> I was wondering, if I run gnome and put a cd in, /media/cdrom0 is linked to the cd/dvd but if I'm running fvwm (without gnome) it doesn't work BUT I can still listen to cd's or play dvd's how can I get it to automatically link to /media/cdrom0?
[03:21] <HrdwrBoB> vortek: if you REALLY must, you can use kernel-package the same as debian
[03:21] <nakata> but... i don't have one :(
[03:22] <zerboxx> nakata: drums or a gf? ;)
[03:22] <fanopnaic> Can some ubuntu guru tell me how the forwarding of ubuntu bug reports to debian, and vice versa, works in practise?
[03:22] <vortek> HrdwrBoB: sweet I do honestly notice speed differs :)
[03:22] <neighborlee> I  tried to open .deb. from website with gdeb..it said 'no action option was provided' ??
[03:22] <bigbootay> oops.  I'm in the wrong channel.  bloody carpetcrawlers switched tabs on me.
[03:22] <nakata> zerboxx, ...both!!! *breaks out into tears*
[03:22] <bigbootay> gotta run... :)
[03:22] <zerboxx> nakata: heh
[03:22] <vortek> HrdwrBoB: unless you recomend some other options for optimizations
[03:22] <nakata> i guess i'll just work instead.
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> vortek: there's not much you can do
[03:22] <HrdwrBoB> you can add preload
[03:23] <HrdwrBoB> and ensure you're using dma etc
[03:23] <ce33na> dma is really helpfull on these cheap boxes
[03:23] <vortek> preload ?
[03:24] <durt> what command can be used to make a launcher that will launch something in the terminal?
[03:24] <morbidi> gnome-*
[03:24] <morbidi> ?
[03:25] <glen_> where is samba in ubuntu?
[03:25] <g14> You need to install it
[03:25] <g14> Use synaptic
[03:25] <glen_> -_-
[03:26] <g14> Yeah it should be in main
[03:26] <glen_> what
[03:26] <flodine> has anyone updated there ubuntu to kernel 2.6.12
[03:26] <Tripp> Does anyone know how to install a game in ubuntu?
[03:26] <ce33na> durt: I cannot specifically answer that, but I do remember seeing a box saying "run in terminal"
[03:26] <bob2> glen_: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[03:26] <g14> flodine: Yeah, its called breezy
[03:26] <nakata> Tripp, i've done it, which game?
[03:26] <bob2> Tripp: you need to be a lot more specific
[03:26] <nalioth> Tripp: in synaptic, there is a 'games' section
[03:26] <glen_> k thanks
[03:26] <bob2> g14: that's non-trivial in hoary; why do you want to do that?
[03:26] <nakata> flodine, sure i have.
[03:26] <bob2> er
[03:26] <bob2> flodine: ^
[03:26] <glen_> does vnc viewer come with ubuntu?
[03:27] <ce33na> yep
[03:27] <nakata> glen_, look in synaptic
[03:27] <g14> bob2: kernel reconfig / recompile isnt very hard. It is just time intensive
[03:27] <nakata> and cpu intensive
[03:27] <nakata> :<
[03:27] <g14> glen_: vino is a gnome vnc viewer
[03:27] <flodine> what bob2
[03:27] <vortek> HrdwrBoB: what is preeload
[03:27] <bob2> g14: I know
[03:27] <vortek> ProN00b: h0h0 sups bro
[03:27] <bob2> flodine: why do you want 2.6.12?
[03:27] <flodine> just wanted to know if it was possible
[03:28] <ce33na> glen_: applications > internet > terminal server client
[03:28] <vortek> so should Is use a kernel source that is in the package list or dl raw source ?
[03:28] <shefa> hi guys
[03:28] <flodine> can i just update the kernel with apt
[03:28] <Duvel> flodine, yes
[03:28] <ce33na> flodine: yep...
[03:28] <shefa> I'm new to Ubuntu so need a bit of help
[03:28] <flodine> whats the cammand
[03:29] <Duvel> hi dhefa what's the problem?
[03:29] <Duvel> shefa
[03:29] <cegha> Hey
[03:29] <HrdwrBoB> vortek: do some googling etc
[03:29] <shefa> When I lounche any of my musiv players, a can't read the id3 tags that a have in cyrillic on my mp3
[03:29] <ce33na> flodine: there is a package that automatically updates...I don't remember what it is called
[03:29] <damsko> how do i overwrite the gaim directory located in /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:29] <damsko> ?
[03:29] <zerboxx> Popping in a cd automatically mounts it, same with dvd's, but is there a way to see what /dev/foos are currently connected?
[03:29] <flodine> someone help
[03:29] <shefa> anybody that knows a resolution
[03:30] <ProN00b> hm, is it normal that i still have kernel 2.6.10-5-386 ?
[03:30] <cegha> Hey, i have used ubuntu, and was wondering, if it is suitable enough to run a beowulf cluster from?
[03:30] <fanopnaic> ProN00b: yes
[03:30] <ProN00b> ok
[03:30] <ce33na> flodine: if you don't understand what I just said..will you give me a minute to find the package name for you?
[03:30] <flodine> yes sir
[03:31] <Duvel> shefa, can you play the songs?
[03:31] <Drewfus> im trying to get drivers for the card i just got, im supposed to get drivers for linux IA32 right?
[03:31] <vortek> HrdwrBoB: can you atleast recomend a key word google for preload linux has to many options
[03:31] <g14> cegha: Why would you want to run beowulf from ubuntu? Why not use a distro designed for beowulf?
[03:31] <cegha> like?
[03:31] <mziegler> i'm trying to install Insight II by accelrys I type sudo /media/cdrom/install but get permission denied
[03:31] <damsko> how do i overwrite the gaim directory located in /usr/share/pixmaps/  ? :/
[03:31] <shefa> HELP!!!
[03:31] <c0rrupt_> -.-
[03:32] <g14> cegha: Just a second
[03:32] <cegha> k thnx
[03:32] <Duvel> shefa, can you play the songs?
[03:32] <ce33na> flodine: install "linux-image-686" in place of the kernel that is selected. It will always use the latest stable kernel version
[03:33] <cegha> im just board and have 4 old pc's sitting around at the moment and want to put them to use
[03:33] <ce33na> assuming you are using a 686 style processor
[03:33] <flodine> mziegler yes
[03:33] <flodine> yes
[03:33] <flodine> i use 686
[03:33] <medamaybe> can anyone tell me if smb.conf is the only file in which I have to set my network workgroup?
[03:33] <shefa> Yes a can, everything works fine, it just that i can't read shit that is wqritten in cyrillic.
[03:33] <damsko> how do i overwrite the gaim directory located in /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:33] <remyforbes777> anyone using Ubuntu 64 bit
[03:34] <g14> cegha: You might be better off using clusterKnoppix
[03:34] <cegha> medamaybe:yes thats all u need to edit, to make samba work on the network
[03:34] <Duvel> medamaybe, yes
[03:34] <cegha> k
[03:34] <cegha> thnx
[03:34] <cegha> i'll look into it
[03:34] <Duvel> damsko, why would you want that?
[03:34] <medamaybe> wel..apparently it doesn't work :)
[03:34] <flodine> ce33na ok then what
[03:34] <medamaybe> do you know if there's a limit to the length of a workgroup name in ubuntu?
[03:34] <ce33na> flodine: you are done
[03:34] <damsko> cauz this http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=22348&forummode=2&forumpage=1&forumexplevel=all
[03:35] <flodine> i have 686 already
[03:35] <g14> cegha: http://bofh.be/clusterknoppix/ I did the web design for this project when I first learned to make websites
[03:35] <cegha> hehe im already there
[03:35] <cegha> nice design BTW
[03:35] <ce33na> are you using the "linux-image-686" package?
[03:35] <avanspronsen> medamaybe: workgroup name for samba config?
[03:35] <flodine> yes
[03:35] <g14> cegha: thx
[03:35] <cegha> ya this will deintly be better, the network bootiing feature as im short a HD or 2
[03:35] <flodine> ce33na yes
[03:36] <ce33na> then it will update when a new stable kernel image is ready
[03:36] <medamaybe> no, the workgroup name in general
[03:36] <medamaybe> I mean...could it be too long for samba to achknowledge it?
[03:36] <g14> medamaybe: the workgroup name for windows networking should be in smb.conf I believe
[03:36] <cegha> ,edamabye: don't think so
[03:36] <flodine> ce33na are you saying it will give me 686 2.6.12 auto
[03:36] <medamaybe> I set the workgroup name in smb.conf
[03:36] <avanspronsen> medamaybe: I would keep it under 15 characters
[03:36] <damsko> so none knows? :(
[03:36] <cegha> workgroup name in samba config file has to match the one in windows
[03:36] <kevman> How can I change desktop resolutions?
[03:37] <medamaybe> but for some reason my ubuntu box is still in the mshome workgroup
[03:37] <shefa> Hey Duval, are you there
[03:37] <cegha> change your windows box to mshome
[03:37] <ce33na> flodine: when the ubuntu bunch has the bugs worked out of it, yes
[03:37] <medamaybe> lol
[03:37] <cegha> well i mean until u get it working properly
[03:37] <medamaybe> that's like using windows because you don't understand linux :)
[03:38] <medamaybe> but you're right...I'll try that
[03:38] <damsko> system/preferences/screen resolution
[03:38] <cegha> i had samba setup and it worked fine for me
[03:38] <cegha> it just kinda ran
[03:38] <Duvel> damsko, in terminal it goes like sudo cp -frd newfile /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:38] <cegha> i didnt have to do a load of troubleshooting
[03:38] <damsko> thanks duvel
[03:38] <medamaybe> is the workgroup case sensitive?
[03:39] <flodine> ce33na what if i dont wanna wait till then for the kernel what do i do to update
[03:39] <chrismy> may i know which application is best for video and audio compressing in ubuntu?\
[03:39] <Duvel> shefa i guess you will need to install something to support cyrillic for your mp3 player
[03:39] <damsko> kevman, system/preferences/screen resolution
[03:39] <Xinex> ok, so basically I need to get this win pc to recognize my linux computer on our wlan and share files between the computers, how do I do this?
[03:40] <shefa> Yah, well, that's what I already assumed, but WHAT, and HOW
[03:40] <cegha> xinex: samba is wut u want
[03:40] <flodine> ce33na what kernel are you on
[03:40] <rendi> hi how to create wheather like this this is the capture
[03:40] <Xinex> ok
[03:40] <rendi> http://img17.echo.cx/my.php?image=pdk1wy.png
[03:40] <medamaybe> xinex, be careful though, samba is evil
[03:40] <rendi> see that
[03:40] <chrismy> may i know which application is best for video and audio compressing in ubuntu?\
[03:40] <cegha> xinex: you will need to edit the smb.conf file to get it to work
[03:40] <Xinex> -_-
[03:41] <ce33na> flodine: let me check
[03:41] <kevman> damsko, I'm using Kubuntu
[03:41] <ce33na> flodine: 2.6.10
[03:41] <mrd`> Hi.  Anyone familiar with prelink(1)?
[03:42] <Duvel> shefa, are the letters to small or just weird signs?
[03:42] <shefa> Weird signs-that's all-on some programs are just ? marks
[03:43] <ce33na> flodine: I was away from the computer for a second. Are you wanting to do kernel compiling?
[03:43] <karljp> shefa: welcome to multilinugual hell.
[03:43] <flodine> hell yeah
[03:44] <flodine> im not scared
[03:44] <cegha> whoever helped me is there anyway to make a bootable floppy for cluster knoppix?
[03:44] <flodine> heheh
[03:44] <flodine> what do i do
[03:44] <ce33na> do you have another machine?
[03:44] <zerboxx> How does ubuntu automount cd's and dvd's??
[03:44] <flodine> lol
[03:44] <flodine> why is it going to mess up this computer
[03:45] <ce33na> seriously...do you have more than one machine?
[03:45] <flodine> yes
[03:45] <dbee> Hi, I am having serious troubles installing j2re on Hoary Hedgehog. The Unofficial guides' apt-get method gives me a libc error ... wrong libc library. I've tried pointing it to another repository www.seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/ but it's not available. Now the wiki method of installing fakeroot et al throws up a  'free(): invalid pointer' error ... I'm beginning to think that maybe trying to install Ubuntu isn't such a good idea afterall ... pls help !
[03:45] <ce33na> count on it messing up a machine
[03:45] <mrd`> zerboxx: There's some automounter code, but I'm not that familiar with it.  (You probably already knew that much though.)
[03:45] <ce33na> for the first few tries
[03:45] <flodine> then why is there a new kernel
[03:45] <mrd`> ce33na: Unless you uninstall your old kernel, it shouldn't make the machine unusable.
[03:45] <zerboxx> mrd`: Kinda, I'm just wondering what that automounter code is, and where it is etc :)
[03:46] <airmikey> is there really a differenc if i update kernel
[03:46] <iiiears> dbee - i have j2re installed and never saw that on an ubuntu install before
[03:47] <Duvel> zerboxx, it is in /etc/fstab
[03:47] <cegha> whoever helped me is there anyway to make a bootable floppy for cluster knoppix?
[03:47] <g14> zerboxx: The automounting for gnome?
[03:47] <mrd`> aatim: If you use java-package, it's not that difficult to ubuntu-ize one of the jre's from java.sun.com.
[03:47] <g14> cegha: I dont know
[03:47] <cegha> =/
[03:47] <ce33na> flodine: let me get this out of the way. If I was going to play with kernel compiling again, I would set up a slackware machine. Its a much cleaner system to learn on. Having that said; mrd is correct. You can bring it back if you do not remove the old kernel. Have a rescue disk handy before you start.
[03:47] <zerboxx> g14: Yeah, just wondering what it is, where it is, etc
[03:47] <durt> dbee: just download the deb from seveas. .... ....
[03:47] <mrd`> Erm.
[03:48] <mrd`> dbee: If you use java-package, it's not that difficult to ubuntu-ize one of the jre's from java.sun.com.
[03:48] <iiiears> dbee - dpkg -i j2re   works  - could it be a bad package corrupted or something?
[03:48] <nalioth> brb, changing puters
[03:48] <flodine> ce33na does it make a diffrence on kernels
[03:48] <ce33na> flodine: it makes it easier
[03:49] <g14> zerboxx: It is a series of things under the auspies of "Project Utopia" by robert love the genius kernel hacker
[03:49] <dbee> durt: so the seavas deb is definitely up then ?? I was trying last night and I was getting a TCP connection error
[03:49] <ce33na> flodine: there are numerous tutorials on the web, that will help you start kernel hacking
[03:49] <bored2k> what file contains gtk+-2.0 ?
[03:49] <g14> zerboxx: Some hotplug enhancements to the 2.6 kernel, HAL, Dbus, and gnome-volume-manager are all parts of project utopia
[03:49] <glen_> which download of samba should I get?
[03:49] <zerboxx> g14: Ah, ok, thanks gotta run, brb
[03:49] <shefa> thanks, but I need a resolution to the problem. Can i set somewhere a support for non-unicode programms
[03:49] <flodine> ce33na are you sure ubuntu will auto update for you when the kernels ready or just going to upgrade 2.6.10-5
[03:50] <flodine> to 2.6.10-8
[03:50] <ce33na> yep...mine has upgraded multiple times
[03:50] <dbee> mrd: so I should just download a java package straight from sun then do you think ???
[03:50] <Luna-Tick> Does anyone here know anything about gstreamer?
[03:50] <fanopnaic> Luna-Tick: like what?
[03:50] <mrd`> dbee: Yeah, and then install ``java-package'' from synaptic.
[03:50] <flodine> ce33na yeah but your still on 2.6.10
[03:50] <Luna-Tick> There are a lot of things that their site says that it isn't, but not what it really is
[03:50] <glen_> which download of samba should I get?
[03:50] <g14> gstreamer 0.9 wont be stable enough for breezy :(
[03:50] <Luna-Tick> :(
[03:51] <durt> dbee: i got it from there last night actually, but you can try this if that doesnt work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaPackageBuildNewVersions
[03:51] <mrd`> dbee: Well, install java-package and read the documentation.  It'll tell you what to do.  (It's pretty simple.)
[03:51] <ce33na> flodine: what is the latest kernel available
[03:51] <flodine> ce33na is it going to update to 2.6.12 when ready
[03:51] <g14> ce33na: Check kernel.org for yourself
[03:51] <mrd`> g14: Why do you say that?
[03:51] <mrd`> (The gstreamer 0.9 thing.)
[03:51] <fanopnaic> Luna-Tick: As far as I understand it, it's similar to DirectShow. <quote />
[03:52] <ce33na> g14: spttz
[03:52] <g14> mrd`: Because I follow gstreamer development in the company that sponsors it, fluendo. It wont be ready
[03:52] <mrd`> Hm.
[03:52] <flodine> ce33na never seen a linux upgrade to a new kernel just to the sameone for security
[03:52] <dbee> mrd: I've tried the wiki, and when I try to install fakeroot, java-package, java-common, it gives me a free() pointer error
[03:52] <ce33na> flodine: the guys who maintain the kernel will decide which version is next
[03:52] <Decker> sup all
[03:52] <flodine> yes breezy
[03:52] <mrd`> Ah, hm, I still have gstreamer0.8 installed too... I'd have sworn 0.9 was installed...
[03:52] <flodine> is next
[03:53] <flodine> so why give you a kernel upgrade
[03:53] <flodine> use breezy
[03:53] <morbidi> btw, I have a repo that has been disabled, how do I know wich is wich ?
[03:53] <mrd`> flodine: Huh?
[03:53] <glen_> which download of samba should I get for ubuntu?
[03:53] <mrd`> dbee: Odd.
[03:54] <Decker> anyone have any luck getting their centrino to work wirelessly?
[03:54] <g14> glen_ Use synaptic and install all of the samba packages. It shouldnt hurt anything
[03:54] <ce33na> flodine: read the package description for linux-image-686
[03:54] <g14> glen_ If you read the descriptions, it will tell you which you need to share files with windows systems
[03:54] <vortek> ehllo
[03:54] <airmikey> Decker: yes
[03:54] <iiiears> dbee - j2re from sun.com is a headache - find a j2re.deb  much simpler greater chancew of success over the dozen step process of th official sun package.
[03:54] <vortek> Can any one tell me how to get back my root acount in ubuntu  google is n't helping much
[03:55] <Decker> airmikey, what am I doing wrong? :D
[03:55] <g14> sudo passwd root
[03:55] <Duvel> shefa, it's caused by the way id3 tags and mp3 files work... setting those id3tags in CAPITALS should make them readable, only small letters are affected.
[03:55] <Decker> i active it
[03:55] <mrd`> iiiears: You just convert it to a .deb and install it.  It's pretty painless.
[03:55] <Decker> setup the wep key
[03:55] <Decker> but nothing :S
[03:55] <ch107783> Has there been any fixes for the slow smb transfers?
[03:55] <g14> vortek: sudo passwd root
[03:55] <airmikey> u put in the key
[03:55] <ch107783> Oops Hello everyone!
[03:55] <vortek> thanxs
[03:55] <rini> hi
[03:56] <ch107783> Has anyone had any success in speeding up the SMB transfers?
[03:56] <Duvel> !botsnack
[03:56] <ubotu> :)
[03:56] <ch107783> It's better when you mount the share but still way slow
[03:57] <flodine> ce33na give me a link to that
[03:57] <firez> Can anyone help me with my JDK installation, I get this message when I try to run a class after compile it from a java file:
[03:57] <firez> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: myfirstprog
[03:57] <dbee> iiiears: cool, I'll try seveas' repositories again and I'll see if I can download from there ...
[03:57] <shefa> Any idea how can i change them all at once, instead going one by one, cause i have over a 1000 files
[03:58] <firez> I followed the wiki guide
[03:58] <ce33na> flodine: open synaptic and use the search function
[03:58] <iiiears> dbee - i have the package if you like.
[03:58] <ce33na> search for "linux" and you will find it
[03:59] <durt> firez: maker sure the class name is the same as the java file name
[03:59] <nalioth> shefa: can you say "recursive"?
[03:59] <firez> durt: uh yeah is different, i will fix that
[04:00] <Duvel> shefa, there are more then one progs able to do that, try sudo apt-get install cantus3
[04:01] <dbee> iiiears: thanks, it looks like my frozen apt-get program has a lock on synaptics memory ... I'm locked out of synaptic ... I'm gonna do a reboot ... oh, wait a sec ... cool thanks iiears
[04:01] <shefa> thanks a million guys. I'l give a shot.
[04:01] <Duvel> shefa, yw
[04:01] <flodine> ce33na i like ubuntu 5.04 i dont want breezy so will i be able to stay here and just keep updating my kernel
[04:02] <glen_> so are there binaries for samba for ubuntu?
[04:02] <firez> Durt: thanks I get the hello world! in the terminal, but is weird that the java compiler changes the name of the class from the original java file, is it normal?
[04:02] <bob2> glen_: of course, I told you how to install it, earlier
[04:02] <ce33na> flodine: yes
[04:03] <shefa> Take care now. I'll see you around
[04:03] <ian> hello pp..
[04:03] <ce33na> I do not use breezy. I let the ubuntu kernel mainainers worry abou the kernel upgrades and I use the extra package repositories for my applications
[04:03] <dell500> how do i print out 4 slides in open office on one page?
[04:04] <ian> where can i configure..so that there will be an trash, my computer..icons in my desktop..
[04:04] <bob2> ian: in gconf
[04:04] <bob2> you'll have to find it yourself, tho
[04:04] <durt> firez: i have no more java experience than you, so i dont know :)
[04:04] <Decker> so yeah
[04:04] <ian> bob2: what do you mean?
[04:04] <dabaR> hi
[04:04] <ch107783> firez: why don't you use the add-on cd?
[04:04] <Decker> I still can't get my wireless network card running :'(
[04:05] <firez> durt: thanks anyway, at least I know that the JDK installation worked
[04:05] <Decker> anyone know how to tell to see if the WEP key isn't being accepted?
[04:05] <bob2> ian: gconf-editor
[04:05] <firez> ch1077: is there an addon cd?
[04:05] <bob2> Decker: disable WEP on the AP and see if it works
[04:05] <firez> lol
[04:05] <ch107783> Decker: what kind of wireless card?
[04:06] <Decker> it's onboard
[04:06] <Decker> centrino
[04:06] <ch107783> Firez: It's unofficial, but you can check it out at www.mrbass.org
[04:06] <Jsl> Help....
[04:06] <Decker> part of my notebook :D
[04:06] <Xinex> how do I get ubuntu to connect to this pc via VNC?
[04:06] <Xinex> over our lan
[04:06] <Decker> bob2, it works in windows :S
[04:06] <firez> ch107783: thanks, I will check that
[04:06] <Jsl> Im installed vhcs on my pc and need to uninstall everything the script installed my pc is messed up...
[04:07] <Jsl> I need help bad.
[04:07] <bob2> reinstall
[04:07] <ch107783> Decker: that doesn't help much you can probably due an lspci to findout atleast the chipset
[04:07] <bob2> and don't use such broken crap
[04:07] <Duvel> Xinex, install vnc, edit /etc/vnc.conf and start vncserver
[04:07] <Xinex> edit it to what?
[04:07] <flodine> anyone get pekwm installed on ubuntu
[04:07] <ch107783> Firez: np, it's easy to get multimedia and Java installed using that
[04:07] <bob2> Jsl: or explain what "messed up" means, and tell us step by step how you broke your computer
[04:07] <iiiears> !vnc
[04:07] <ubotu> vnc is probably http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
[04:07] <ian> bob2: thanks
[04:07] <ce33na> Xinex: have you tried the vnc client that is included with ubuntu?
[04:07] <Jsl> well localhost is all messed up...
[04:08] <Duvel> or remove it completely with sudo apt-get remove packagename --purge
[04:08] <Xinex> I'm trying it, ce33na
[04:08] <ch107783> Make sure you check for updates to the unofficial CD though
[04:08] <Jsl> Im locked out of vhcs
[04:08] <Jsl> and ect.
[04:08] <oceandead> in soviet russia, computer breaks you!
[04:08] <Xinex> heh
[04:08] <synd> trying to boot the live cd to a toshibal laptop
[04:08] <dell500> nm, figured it out
[04:08] <synd> toshiba**
[04:08] <Xinex> what's the equivalent of ipconfig in linux?
[04:08] <Duvel> Xinex, ifconfig
[04:09] <synd> and it loads fine, but then it just sits at a black screen
[04:09] <cfaun> Xinex: what are you trying to do?
[04:09] <Jsl> Bob2 >>I used the script from here  http://vhcs.net/new/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2249&forum=2
[04:09] <codecaine> can someone in here running ubuntu run this command /exec df -h
[04:09] <bob2> yeah, running random scripts from web forums as root is a hot idea
[04:09] <bob2> Xinex: "ip"
[04:09] <codecaine> i'm wondering what none is for on /dev
[04:09] <Jsl> I need to uninstall all it installed.....
[04:09] <Jsl> I had already used it before
[04:09] <Jsl> Just lost it...
[04:09] <codecaine> bob2, whats the none filesystem mounted on /dev all about?
[04:09] <bob2> codecaine: it' not a real filesystem
[04:09] <Jsl> Fount it again
[04:10] <codecaine> back to that virtual file system stuff eh bob2?
[04:10] <bob2> no
[04:10] <bob2> it's tmpfs
[04:10] <bob2> aka a real filesystem with no backing store
[04:10] <Xinex> cfaun, I'm trying to get vnc to work so I don't have to walk up and down two flights of stairs a million times
[04:10] <durt> synd: dont know about the live cd, but the hoary install worked fine on my toshiba
[04:10] <airmikey> Decker: u get it
[04:10] <synd> durt: its a toshiba satellite, p4 2.8
[04:11] <nalioth> synd: are you in here causing trouble?
[04:11] <synd> nalioth: yes
[04:11] <cfaun> Ugg...the security team still hasn't added mozilla 1.7.11
[04:11] <nalioth> synd: have mercy! can't take you nowhere!
[04:11] <Jsl> *needs help*
[04:11] <synd> nalioth: i know
[04:11] <bob2> Jsl: no one can help you unless you actually help yourself
[04:11] <codecaine> bob2, how come it uses none instead of tmpfs like its used on /dev/shm
[04:11] <iiiears> synd - Do you think it is just the display that needs to be configured? - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    will ask you questions to help set up the display.
[04:11] <bob2> Jsl: start by answering my question above
[04:11] <synd> iiiears: no idea.
[04:11] <Jsl> What question...
[04:11] <ch107783> Xinex: apt-get install xvnc4viewer
[04:11] <ksmurf> How in the ehck do u get into the cups server.  It keeps asking for an administrator password and username but I have never configured one.
[04:12] <bob2> 12:07:35 @         bob2 | Jsl: or explain what "messed up" means, and tell us step by step how you broke your computer
[04:12] <bob2> Jsl: "undo what that script did" is not a useful statement of your aim
[04:12] <Luna-Tick> Anyone know if there is a libdvdcss gstreamer plugin anywhere?
[04:12] <bob2> Jsl: if that's what you want to do, you need to go talk to whoever wrote the script
[04:12] <iiiears> synd - were there any screen messages that hinted at what was wrong?
[04:12] <bob2> ksmurf: system -> administration -> printers
[04:12] <Jsl> Messed up means i need to unstall vhcs because i cant get into it (It locked me out)
[04:13] <bob2> Jsl: so, go talk to the vhcs people
[04:13] <Jsl> And i want to install everything from scratch to be safe
[04:13] <nomasteryoda|w> finally got qemu to install on my main laptop with kqemu too...
[04:13] <ch107783> Xinex then after it installs type vncviewer on one and vncserver on the other
[04:13] <ksmurf> bob2 can u not also get in from the browser.... <IP_ADDRESS>:631?
[04:13] <nomasteryoda|w> but alas, it is in the bz install and I'm sure it will be toast in a day or 3
[04:13] <Jsl> bob2: Talk to the vhcs people....
[04:13] <bob2> ian: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqsection_view?section=Using%20Ubuntu
[04:14] <bob2> Jsl: they broke your system, you need to get them to help you unbreak it
[04:14] <bob2> ksmurf: you cannot
[04:14] <Duvel> Jsl, remove it completely with sudo apt-get remove packagename --purge
[04:14] <ksmurf> bob2 I have the hpijs configured and have more options on the web interface
[04:14] <ch107783> Xinex: You also have to go to Remote Desktop and Allow others to view and control the desktop that you want to control
[04:14] <bob2> Duvel: it's not a package
[04:14] <ksmurf> bob2  S%^$ thanks
[04:14] <synd> iiiears: it got past the boot screen.. and started to load the kernel.. but it was going by to fast for me to catch anything.
[04:15] <ch107783> Xinex: ?
[04:15] <Drewfus> would anyone be able to help me get my graphics drivers working?
[04:15] <bob2> Jsl: in general, if you use software from outside ubuntu, you'll need to talk to whoever wrote it, not us
[04:15] <iiiears> synd - don't really have enough information yet. give this a try CTRL+ALT+F2   should give you a terminal - going to assume it is a problem with the display not being configured properly.
[04:15] <ch107783> Drewfus: ATI or Nvidia?
[04:16] <Duvel> synd, you can read it with dmesg
[04:16] <bob2> Drewfus: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:16] <Drewfus> nvidia
[04:16] <ch107783> Drewfus: ubuntu's way or nvidia's
[04:16] <Drewfus> whichever works better?
[04:17] <ce33na> iiiears: less /var/log/syslog
[04:17] <bob2> Drewfus: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:17] <Drewfus> or maybe i should choose whichever is easier
[04:17] <Drewfus> im checking that now
[04:17] <Xinex> ch107783, working on it
[04:17] <Xinex> apt didn't work
[04:17] <iiiears> ce33na an excellent idea. -
[04:17] <ch107783> I have had better luck with nvidia's way
[04:17] <nooneelse> hi all
[04:17] <Drewfus> hows that
[04:18] <nooneelse> i'm installing some programs by apt-get
[04:18] <Drewfus> their read me didnt help me too much
[04:18] <ch107783> Xinex: have you added any repostories to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:18] <Drewfus> im having problems with the kernel part of the install
[04:18] <nooneelse> but the icons arent appearing in applications menu
[04:18] <durt> Drewfus: just apt-get nvidia-glx
[04:18] <volvoguy> quick question. ATI Radeon 7500 (rv200). the DRI project website says it's supported by their driver. is that what Ubuntu uses by default for "ati" in xorg.conf, or do i need to install a package and use "radeon"?
[04:18] <nalioth> nooneelse: they may appear after you log out and log back in
[04:18] <Drewfus> how do i do that
[04:18] <glen_> no ch107783
[04:18] <ch107783> glen what?
[04:19] <Drewfus> ive heard about aptget but i dont understand it
[04:19] <nooneelse> nalioth, no I mean... it appears
[04:19] <nooneelse> nalioth, but the ICON IMAGE not appears
[04:19] <nooneelse> just the icon without the image icon
[04:19] <Duvel> !apt-get
[04:19] <ubotu> I heard apt-get is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[04:19] <ch107783> glen_: Whats wrong?
[04:19] <aatim> is there an sqlrelay-java for ubuntu?
[04:19] <ch107783> it's built in
[04:19] <glen_> ch107783, Im xinex
[04:19] <nalioth> nooneelse: yes i know what you mean, the app appears in the menu, but not its specific icon
[04:19] <ch107783> OH
[04:19] <nalioth> nooneelse: it will probably appear after a log out and log in
[04:19] <cafuego> aatim: considering the java license, i doubt it.
[04:19] <cafuego> !find sqlrelay
[04:19] <ian> how do i make a batch file like in windows.. ".bat" in ubuntu?
[04:19] <nooneelse> nalioth, ywap looks like a "console icon"
[04:20] <nooneelse> "terminal icon"
[04:20] <nalioth> nooneelse: log out and log in and see
[04:20] <nooneelse> nalioth, lemme see
[04:20] <aatim> is there any site where i can find how to install one?
[04:20] <Drewfus> whats this ch107783
[04:20] <bob2> volvoguy: doesn't matter, they're the same in this case
[04:20] <adiabatic> ian: The closest equivalent is writing a script in bash, the usual shell
[04:20] <ce33na> ian: we use shell scripts
[04:20] <ch107783> I just asked for direct chat wo that I can explain to you guys what to do
[04:20] <codecaine> bob2, you have a quick link explaining tmpfs and none using dev?
[04:20] <hardw1re> cafuego smells :P
[04:21] <ian> ok.. what would be the extension of a shell scripts?
[04:21] <Duvel> ian, nothing :)
[04:21] <ce33na> .sh
[04:21] <adiabatic> ian: either no extension or maybe .sh
[04:21] <bob2> codecaine: er, none is in the filesystem column, it just means it isn't being mounted from a device
[04:21] <cafuego> hardw1re: don't bother, you're still on ignore
[04:21] <Drewfus> i clicked accept but nothing is happening
[04:21] <ch107783> ok
[04:21] <nooneelse> nalioth, well just one worked
[04:21] <hardw1re> :o
[04:21] <glen_> same
[04:21] <bob2> codecaine: tmpfs presumably has docs in the kernel Documentation dir
[04:21] <ian> then how would we execute a shell script?
[04:21] <mae> is anyone else having issues with sound-juicier and rhythmbox crashing on colony-3 i have all the latest updates
[04:21] <hardw1re> oh well
[04:21] <Duvel> ian, . script
[04:21] <nooneelse> nalioth, the AMSN icon still broken
[04:21] <bob2> ian: sh ./blah.sh
[04:21] <nalioth> nooneelse: sometimes no actual icons are available for specific programs
[04:21] <hardw1re> sh name
[04:21] <volvoguy> bob2, so if X works I'm all set? whatever degree of 3D acceleration is supported on this card is already working? i can't seem to run any of the glxgears or glxinfo things.
[04:21] <nooneelse> nalioth,  hmm ok
[04:21] <ian> ok thanks a lot!
[04:22] <nalioth> nooneelse: and some different icon themes have more icons than others
[04:22] <bob2> Duvel: that sources it, which is different to running it
[04:22] <codecaine> bob2, i understand none is not a FS, but i just want to know the reason and functionality behind the /dev because i did not mount it
[04:22] <bob2> mae: please file a bug if no one else has
[04:22] <adiabatic> ian: set the executable bit and give it a shebang line OR do `bash foo.sh`
[04:22] <nooneelse> nalioth, do u know the name of lib to play divx, mpeg1/2 and this kind of movies ?
[04:22] <nalioth> nooneelse: try the bluecurve theme (search how to do it in the wiki)
[04:22] <bob2> codecaine: udev mounted it; udev gets hotplug events from the kernel, and then creates device nodes in /dev for them
[04:22] <nalioth> nooneelse: you also need see restricted formats in the wiki
[04:22] <bob2> some people like / to be ro, so /dev is a tmpfs that udev can write to
[04:22] <cafuego> codecaine: it's required (at a minumum) for IPC shared mem (SYSV inter-process communication)