[12:25] <raphink> anyone could review knmap please ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1167
[12:44] <raphink> hmm
[12:44] <raphink> I'm reviewing tex4ht
[12:44] <raphink> it uses 20051130-1ubuntu1 as the version
[12:45] <raphink> the maintainer is the official debian maintainer, and this package was built over 20050402.1817-1
[12:45] <raphink> but  20051130-1 doesn't exist in debian sid
[12:45] <raphink> so shouldn't it be 200051130-0ubuntu1 ?
[12:45] <raphink> ajmitch: any idea?
[12:46] <raphink> slomo: ?
[12:46] <minghua> raphink: I _think_ it was in NEW but now seems to be rejected
[12:47] <minghua> let me check
[12:47] <raphink> ah ok
[12:48] <raphink> where do you see that minghua ?
[12:49] <minghua> raphink: I remembered correctly: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2005/12/msg00115.html
[12:49] <raphink> oh it's on the lists
[12:49] <raphink> there's no web interface?
[12:50] <minghua> raphink: no idea where it is now though, not in the NEW queue for sure
[12:50] <raphink> ok thanks
[12:50] <minghua> raphink: oh you don't know the web interace for NEW queue?  http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[12:50] <raphink> thanks
[12:50] <minghua> raphink: I've seen tex4ht there a few days ago
[12:51] <raphink> ok
[12:51] <raphink> good
[12:51] <minghua> raphink: and if you follow that thread, you'll the package has a few problems, and the maintainer is improving it
[12:52] <raphink> ok
[01:15] <_sergio> hello
[01:15] <_sergio> anyone know about faad, or gstreamer0.8-faad plugin support in ubuntu?
[01:16] <crimsun> what about it?
[01:16] <crimsun> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[01:43] <LaserJock> \sh: feeling any better?
[01:43] <\sh> na i just woke up again...
[01:44] <ajmitch> can't sleep now?
[01:44] <\sh> ajmitch: I slept the whole day every once and a while...
[01:44] <ajmitch> hm
[01:46] <\sh> I tried to watch some movies today....just felt asleep in the middle of them...and woke up right after the end...well...I should go to a doctor
[01:46] <ajmitch> yeah, I think it's a good idea
[01:47] <ajmitch> you've been well for too long, and now you're sicker than you should be
[01:47] <\sh> oh..and btw..whenever you have the chance to watch harry potter and the goblet of fire...please watch it..one of the best
[01:51] <LaserJock> \sh: I haven't seen any of them. I should do that some time.
[01:52] <\sh> oh...the european parlament just agreed, that all phone, fax, sms, email etc. traffic must be stored for more the a reasonable time...means...we have to send now only emails gpg encrypted..so they have garbage
[01:52] <\sh> LaserJock: read the books first..much better, more fun :)
[01:52] <LaserJock> \sh: really, cool.
[01:53] <LaserJock> \sh: how long do they want to store them?
[01:53] <ajmitch> years?
[01:53] <\sh> more then min. 18 months
[01:54] <ajmitch> crazy
[01:54] <LaserJock> seems like there wouldn't be enough space for all that, phones especially
[01:54] <ajmitch> since obviously all citizens are potential terrorists..
[01:55] <\sh> LaserJock: oh the goverment only needs to grab the data...the companies have to save them in a secure place..that again is a really big problem
[01:55] <\sh> good morning ogra
[01:55] <ajmitch> so all companies need to save phone calls, emails, etc for all employees?
[01:55] <\sh> ajmitch: for all customers
[01:56] <ajmitch> hm
[01:56] <\sh> ajmitch: for most of the companies which are using exchange, saving mails is default
[01:56] <ajmitch> s/saving/anything with/
[01:56] <\sh> ajmitch: my former companie is doing that a long time...and lawful interception is now going to be crazy
[01:57] <raphink> thanks for reviewing grub-splashimages Riddell :)
[02:07] <freeflying> raphink: hi
[02:08] <raphink> hi freeflying
[02:20] <Kyral> someone tell me when is the worse time for a crash when using ext3?
[02:21] <Kyral> because I think it just happened to one of my friends
[02:21] <ajmitch> Kyral: when the hard drive goes down in flames?
[02:21] <Kyral> I meant for the Journel...
[02:22] <ajmitch> same answer :)
[02:22] <ajmitch> it's generally fairly robust
[02:22] <Kyral> Basically he pulled the power in the middle of an Apt install and when it came up (after 4 tries) it wouldn't let him sudo saying something in Var is RO
[02:23] <Kyral> and he can't use his file manager
[02:23] <ajmitch> right
[02:23] <ajmitch> that was a fairly stupid thing to do then
[02:23] <Kyral> I think he pulled the power in the worst moment lol
[02:24] <Kyral> I told him to go to recovery mode and set the mount count on the drive to 100
[02:24] <Kyral> to force a check :D
[02:26] <ajmitch> or he could use fsck, which does the same thing..
[02:26] <Kyral> he only has one partition (aside from swap) and no LiveCDs
[02:26] <ajmitch> clever
[02:27] <Kyral> He's not one of us who carries a LiveCD wherever they go
[02:27] <Kyral> ;P
[02:27] <ajmitch> the ones in my bag are dead :)
[02:27] <Kyral> lol
[02:27] <ajmitch> a patch on the reflective layer is damaged
[02:56] <raphink> gn guys :)
[03:50] <lifeless> help!
[03:50] <lifeless> I need a motu with ~ 10 minutes of spare cycle
[03:50] <lifeless> s
[03:50] <lifeless> we've got a problem we're tracking down with the launchpad code base on amd64, and we'd like a patch to libgpgme11 1.0.2-1build1 to build a -dbg package
[03:51] <lifeless> I'm insanely busy today, so I'm hoping one of you kind folk has the time to do this [minor]  tweak
[04:04] <lifeless> Nafallo: thanks!
[04:04] <lifeless> Nafallo: its really easy:
[04:04] <lifeless> 1) check debian/compat == 5
[04:04] <lifeless> 2) add a control rule for libgpgme11-dbg with appropriate description etc
[04:05] <lifeless> set the dependencies to libgpgme11 (= ${Source-Version}) (check that for typos ;))
[04:05] <lifeless> 3) when dh_strip is called, add --dbg-package=libgpgme11-dbg
[04:05] <lifeless> test ;)
[04:05] <Nafallo> yea, I've given it to pbuilder. why compat 5?
[04:05] <lifeless> compat 4 has different behaviour
[04:06] <lifeless> man dh_strip for the details
[04:07] <Nafallo> hmm, it was using 3 ;-)
[04:07] <lifeless> :)
[04:08] <lifeless> oh, and build-dep on binutils, my bad ;)
[04:24] <Nafallo> it was for amd64, right? :-)
[04:25] <lifeless> dont need binaries
[04:25] <lifeless> in the DC everything is rebuilt anyway
[04:25] <Nafallo> oh nm, it was :-)
[04:25] <lifeless> just an interdiff against the prior .diff.gz will be great, because I can feed that to Znarl
[04:26] <Nafallo> dooh
[04:26] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/repo/foo/
[04:27] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/gpgme1.0_1.0.2-1ubuntu1.debdiff
[04:27] <lifeless> Access forbidden!
[04:28] <Nafallo> oh?
[04:28] <lifeless> try it ;)
[04:28] <Nafallo> dooh
[04:29] <Nafallo> done now
[04:30] <lifeless> nice. A small bit of feedback ..
[04:30] <lifeless> + This package contains the debug version of the library found in libgpgme11.
[04:30] <lifeless> +
[04:30] <lifeless> more accurate would be:
[04:30] <lifeless> This package contains debug symbols for the library found in libgpgme11.
[04:30] <lifeless> (its not a full library in there)
[04:30] <lifeless> thanks heaps.
[04:30] <Nafallo> true :-). I stole the desc from libdmx-dbg ;-)
[04:31] <Nafallo> so I totally blame daniels ;-)
[04:31] <lifeless> well hes on crack, so whaddya expect ;)
[04:31] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:36] <jsgotangco> ok waiting for flight 2 download to finish
[04:36] <jsgotangco> 2 hours argh!
[04:37] <Nafallo> I did that before the announcement today and then just kept seeding ;-)
[07:24] <Yagisan> G'day all
[07:26] <Yagisan> I've found a w32codecs package in an unofficial debian repo that is an installer like msttcorefonts, can we include it in ubuntu ?
[07:27] <jsgotangco> i believe those are reverse engineered codecs from the original ms codecs
[07:28] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: It's just an installer, it wgets the codecs from the web
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ah it grabs the codecs from MS? neat
[07:29] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: actually, from an mplayer mirror
[07:34] <Yagisan> no objections ?
[07:37] <jsgotangco> i still find it dodgy though
[07:39] <minghua> not sure.  the ms core fonts have a license that allows redistribution, what about the codecs?
[07:41] <Yagisan> minghua: I'll see if I can check the codecs, but they are mirrored over the web, and end up on magazine cd's every month or so
[07:43] <Yagisan> I thought it might be useful, since ubuntu isn't actually distributing the codecs, it just distributes an installer, like with flash, and other non-free apps
[07:43] <minghua> Yagisan: that would be good.  if it has a redistributable license I don't see any reason to object such an installer package
[08:03] <LaserJock_> hi dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> good morning motus
[08:05] <LaserJock_> dholbach: how's it going?
[08:07] <dholbach> nicely... just need to wake up :)
[08:07] <dholbach> some coffee will do and get me through the status update meeting
[08:07] <LaserJock_> hmm, I need to get to bed
[08:08] <LaserJock_> just working on the Packaging Guide a bit before I do
[08:13] <siretart> morning
[08:26] <bojan> morning!
[08:35] <Yagisan> G'day siretart
[08:36] <Yagisan> I'll be starting work on the backport package a bit latter tonight, mind if I ask you some questions about it later ?
[08:37] <zakame> hello from manila!  :D
[08:39] <Yagisan> slomo: can we add x264 support to mplayer ? It would need the x264 package from here http://apt.cerkinfo.be/pool/main/x264/ and to add libx264-dev as a build-dep
[08:40] <zakame> just arrived in Manila from Daet, after a rather uneventful 7-hour busride :)
[08:41] <slomo> Yagisan: that's only an encoder, right? but sure, i have it already an my todo list... if it's important enough for you just package x264 :) i'll get to this or next weekend otherwise
[08:42] <slomo> Yagisan: oh, no need to... marillat already has a package for it... let's see if we can take it...
[08:43] <Yagisan> slomo: I found the cerkinfo package :) and yes it is an encoder
[08:43] <slomo> so only relevant for mencoder... ok
[08:43] <slomo> oh no... another static-only lib :(
[08:44] <Yagisan> slomo: It lets me encode mpeg4 part 10 streams , instead of mpeg4 part 2
[08:44] <zakame> yay! gtklp fanmail! :D
[08:44] <Yagisan> slomo: the cerkinfo one doesn't look static
[08:44] <slomo> Yagisan: yes, h264... btw, does decoding it work for you with current mplayer?
[08:45] <Yagisan> slomo: decode "should" work with your new mplayer, but not encode
[08:45] <slomo> Yagisan: but it _should_ be... upstream doesn't build shared libs by default and they seem to have fun with breaking API/ABI
[08:45] <slomo> Yagisan: yes, it should ;) but i have nothing to test it :(
[08:45] <Yagisan> slomo: the cerkinfo guy split out ffmpeg for his mplayer
[08:45] <Yagisan> slomo: I do :)
[08:46] <slomo> Yagisan: what is cerkinfo btw?
[08:46] <siretart> slomo: I've seen that marillat has a new dvd copying software called k9copy now
[08:47] <Yagisan> slomo: http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[08:47] <siretart> slomo: it builds in dapper, but thats all what I tried. I intend to upload it the next days. Just wanted to ask if you have heared about it
[08:47] <slomo> siretart: ok, let's get it if they're not insane (i.e. ship css ;) )
[08:47] <slomo> siretart: no, never heard of it... can you get x264 in while you're at it? ;)
[08:47] <siretart> slomo: if I understood it correctly it is a kde frontend to dvdauthor (which we already have)
[08:48] <siretart> I haven't even heard about x264
[08:48] <sivang> morning all
[08:48] <zakame> hi sivang ! :)
[08:49] <Yagisan> slomo: breezys mplayer can decode x264 streams easily
[08:49] <slomo> siretart: it's just a h264 encoding library... which definitly needs to go to multiverse
[08:49] <slomo> Yagisan: yes but i ask for the dapper one ;P
[08:49] <Yagisan> siretart: mpeg4 part 10 - think high-qulaity xvid
[08:49] <zakame> dholbach: w00t! :D
[08:50] <siretart> Yagisan: I assume it is highly patent encumbered
[08:50] <Yagisan> slomo: dapper has a more compatible h264 decoding libary, I doubt there is a regression
[08:50] <Yagisan> siretart: so is jpeg
[08:50] <slomo> siretart: sure... what do you expect? it's mpeg :P
[08:50] <Yagisan> siretart: it is also an iso standard
[08:52] <siretart> Yagisan: iso allows patented algorithm to be standardised :( (is this spelled correctly?)
[08:53] <zakame> siretart: yup :D
[08:53] <zakame> though standardized is also ok
[08:53] <Yagisan> siretart: yep, ignore the overuse of the letter zed
[08:53] <siretart> Yagisan: you want to join MOTUMedia, btw?
[08:54] <zakame> hehe
[08:54] <Yagisan> siretart: I lack programming skills for that, but I can help test if you like ?
[08:55] <slomo> siretart: they allow everything, as long as it can be licensed under non-discriminatory terms
[08:55] <Yagisan> siretart: I took an interest in this when my daughter started using my dvds for teething
[08:55] <siretart> Yagisan: you could try to package x264 and upload it to revu, using our MOTUMedia list as maintainer :)
[08:55] <Yagisan> siretart: sure
[08:55] <siretart> I'm at work, and will be able to work on packages not before this late afternoon
[08:56] <slomo> siretart: x264 is already packaged by marillat... another static-only library to make us happy
[08:56] <siretart> ah, sounds easy then
[08:56] <Yagisan> slomo: I have a non-static libary
[08:56] <Yagisan> slomo: It also produces the x264 stand alone encoder
[08:57] <slomo> Yagisan: which is most probably hacked in... at least their svn versions don't build a shared library
[08:57] <Yagisan> slomo: I'll take another look at the package then
[08:58] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks :)
[08:59] <jsgotangco> hey dholbach
[08:59] <Yagisan> slomo: I can't find anything hackish to make a static lib here, anyway I've tossed it into pbuilder, lets see what pops out
[08:59] <dholbach> re :)
[09:00] <zakame> wb dholbach
[09:00] <slomo> Yagisan: --enable-shared to configure?
[09:02] <Yagisan> slomo: no, want me to send you the package ? ~300K
[09:03] <Yagisan> slomo: dappers mplayer plays back x264 files fine with the h264 decoder :)
[09:03] <slomo> Yagisan: no, not needed... anyway, we only have a libx264-dev package... so there's no normal package for the shared library... seems to be a mistake by the packager that it's included
[09:04] <Yagisan> slomo: x264 does have a standalone encoder
[09:04] <Yagisan> slomo: mainly used by m$ windows users x264.exe
[09:05] <slomo> Yagisan: i know :)
[09:05] <Yagisan> argh, I forgot to backport yasm to build it
[09:07] <Yagisan> slomo: I'll fix the deps and send you a link when x264 is in revu
[09:07] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks
[09:09] <Yagisan> slomo: Who should I add for the uploader field ? I'm not a motu, so I can't upload
[09:10] <slomo> Yagisan: for x264? well, if the marillat package is fine just upload it without changing :)
[09:11] <slomo> Yagisan: leave uploader/maintainer as it is
[09:11] <Yagisan> slomo: It's not a marrilat package - but I'll leave maintainer intact
[09:11] <slomo> Yagisan: the one by noel?
[09:13] <Yagisan> slomo: yep
[09:13] <slomo> Yagisan: it's almost the same except marillat's packaging looked a bit cleaner at the first look ;)
[09:14] <Yagisan> slomo: I didn't see it in marillat's repo, I'll look again
[09:15] <slomo> it's in x/x264
[09:17] <Yagisan> slomo: It seems marrilat has a slightly newer version. /me downloads
[09:17] <slomo> Yagisan: ok :)
[09:19] <Yagisan> slomo: I heard you you upload rights to main a while ago ?
[09:19] <Yagisan> s/you you/you got
[09:20] <slomo> yes
[09:22] <Yagisan> slomo: congratulations
[09:22] <slomo> thanks :)
[09:23] <Yagisan> slomo: Finally agreed on a name for my son yesterday, only took almost 4 weeks
[09:25] <ajmitch> hi
[09:26] <Yagisan> G'day ajmitch, how are things in kiwi land ?
[09:26] <zakame> hi ajmitch :D
[09:26] <ajmitch> great, how's things going over your side?
[09:26] <ajmitch> how's the family?
[09:27] <siretart> morning ajmitch :)
[09:27] <slomo> hi ajmitch :)
[09:27] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:27] <ajmitch> siretart: revu-build question - when I run it, I don't have permission to write out the filelists, postinsts, etc
[09:28] <ajmitch> can we make the directories owned by a group so we can all write there?
[09:28] <siretart> ajmitch: it should call pbuilder with root
[09:28] <ajmitch> pbuilder is called with root
[09:28] <siretart> i.e. with sudo
[09:29] <ajmitch> but the other files generated are done as the user
[09:29] <ajmitch> since revu-build calls dpkg-deb
[09:29] <siretart> ah, but it cannot write the output files, damn
[09:29] <ajmitch> if /var/revu/revu1-incoming is group-writeable & sticky, it should be fine
[09:29] <siretart> ajmitch: add yourself to the group 'revu'
[09:29] <ajmitch> actually all the dirs are owned by revu..
[09:30] <ajmitch> hm
[09:30] <siretart> ajmitch: the incoming directories should be group writeable
[09:30] <Yagisan> ajmitch: family is ok, named my son at last, and I now need to arm myself to go to the shops because of the rioting fucktards
[09:30] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that crazy there?
[09:30] <siretart> ajmitch: if they aren't, then sudo chown/chmod it, they should be, if not, there is somewhere a bug then
[09:30] <ajmitch> siretart: yeah they are
[09:31] <ajmitch> siretart: with revu2, do you think email notification of comments will be useful?
[09:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: we'll the lebs have pssed off every single other ethnic group, and were attacking children, and burning churches near my house
[09:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: so yes, that crazy
[09:31] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that's insane
[09:31] <siretart> ajmitch: very useful!
[09:31] <Yagisan> ajmitch: they opened fire on a christian primary school!!!
[09:31] <ajmitch> siretart: I notice that we can have a month or two go by without a comment, and then someone adds one
[09:32] <zakame> Yagisan: whoa
[09:32] <ajmitch> Yagisan: the lebanese people?
[09:32] <ajmitch> or others?
[09:32] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yes, the lebanese people
[09:32] <siretart> ajmitch: /me too, we need to fix that with revu2
[09:33] <ajmitch> I thought lebanon was still majority Christian anyway
[09:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch: they did. The school is a 20 minute walk from my house
[09:33] <Yagisan> ajmitch: it is actually the muslim lebanese that are causing the trouble
[09:34] <ajmitch> a shame
[09:34] <Yagisan> ajmitch: the burnt down a church belonging to pacific islanders near auburn hospital
[09:34] <ajmitch> I can understand why people are getting very mad over it
[09:35] <Yagisan> ajmitch: It's a religious problem
[09:35] <zakame> ajmitch: if you have time, could you check my libmemcache http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=929 ? :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> religious & ethnic
[09:35] <ajmitch> and just general stupidity
[09:36] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep - and all I see on OS media is "white supremacists" attacked blah blah blah
[09:36] <ajmitch> zakame: 420KB diff?
[09:36] <ajmitch> of course
[09:36] <ajmitch> in wellington there were posters put up calling for 'white power' to rise up.. etc
[09:36] <ajmitch> more crap but it never goes anywhere here
[09:37] <zakame> ajmitch: yep, autotools update
[09:37] <Yagisan> ajmitch: yep, but I saw the crowds, it was whites, blacks, asians, and pacific islanders taking revenge on anyone that looked like a leb
[09:37] <zakame> though I suspect I could drop that
[09:38] <ajmitch> zakame: it's an awful lot for me to scroll through
[09:38] <zakame> waah
[09:38] <jsgotangco> but its nothing for the dark motu lord ajmitch
[09:40] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I hope you come to dunedin just so I can dunk you in the harbour :)
[09:41] <zakame> haha
[09:47] <Yagisan> slomo: x264 has been sent to revu. Should appear in 10 minutes
[09:47] <slomo> Yagisan: thanks... any changes from marillat?
[09:49] <Yagisan> slomo: just s/unstable/dapper and adding multiverse to control. probally should have made the -dev an all instead of any
[09:50] <slomo> Yagisan: no... any is needed
[09:51] <Yagisan> slomo: oh ? I'd have though headers should be arch all. Nice to know I didn't stuff up then.
[09:52] <slomo> Yagisan: it's not only headers but the static library and in this case also the shared one which shouldn't be in the -dev package ;)
[09:53] <Yagisan> slomo: you are quite right. That is a stuff up
[09:55] <zakame> thanks ajmitch :D
[09:55] <zakame> bbl
[09:55] <lucas> hi all
[09:59] <jsgotangco> haha
[09:59] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, have you seen AsiaBusinessTour?
[10:00] <slomo> bbl
[10:03] <Yagisan> siretart: not wanting to sound dumb, but was my upload rejected from revu ?
[10:03] <lucas> Yagisan: if it's not in the list, it was rejected
[10:04] <lucas> the most common error (everybody does it once) is that REVU uploads have to be source-only
[10:04] <Yagisan> lucas: I see, I did source + binary. /me adjusts the pbuilder config
[10:06] <lucas> or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -I.bzr
[10:07] <siretart> Yagisan: jepp, it was rejected. revu only reacts to *_source.changes files for now
[10:07] <siretart> Yagisan: shall I remove your upload?
[10:07] <Yagisan> siretart, lucas: thanks. It's been a while since I used revu. siretart please remove, an new source only upload is on its way
[10:08] <siretart> Yagisan: done, you may reupload now
[10:08] <Yagisan> siretart: thanks
[10:09] <Yagisan> x264 correctly uploaded now
[10:12] <Yagisan> slomo_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1178
[10:13] <Yagisan> bbl
[10:16] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: interesting :)
[10:17] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: I see of course there's an NZ entry, for LCA
[10:18] <jsgotangco> well yeah i guess its logical to stay for a day or 2 for business
[10:19] <ajmitch> sure
[10:20] <ajmitch> dunno who they're going to meet & talk to :)
[10:22] <jsgotangco> it'll probably be different generally in asia
[10:23] <ajmitch> certainly
[10:23] <ajmitch> dunedin is a slightly smaller place, there might be interested businesses here & a local LUG
[10:37] <ajmitch> I should either file a bug on this or just fixup the merge
[12:47] <raphink> how do we deal with NMU in Ubuntu?
[12:49] <ogra> raphink, how would you do an NMU with non personalized packages ?
[12:50] <ogra> there are no NMUs
[12:50] <raphink> ok
[12:50] <raphink> so we just ignore NMU warnings in lintian
[12:50] <ogra> its nice to talk to the guy who touched the package last though
[12:50] <ogra> yes
[12:50] <raphink> ok
[12:50] <raphink> :)
[12:54] <StevenK> Well, there are sorta no MU's in universe, either. :-)
[12:55] <raphink> :)
[01:22] <raphink> ogra: do you have some time to review packages?
[01:54] <raphink> siretart: are you there?
[02:57] <siretart> raphink: yepp
[02:57] <raphink> hi siretart
[02:58] <raphink> I requested membership for the reviewers team on LP
[02:58] <raphink> do you think I could apply?
[03:02] <siretart> raphink: when I'm home, (in a few hours), okay?
[03:02] <raphink> ok :)
[03:03] <siretart> bah, svenl is accusing me being too harsh and aggressive..
[03:03] <siretart> I think I did it :/
[04:00] <zakame> evening all
[04:01] <lucas> hi zakame
[04:02] <zakame> hey lucas :) how's ruby?
[04:03] <lucas> probably good, since RubyOnRails 1.0 is out and ruby must be all over the news
[04:05] <zakame> yeah, i read that on planet debian as well :)
[04:18] <\sh> *cough* moins
[05:14] <imnes> I've downloaded some package sources with apt-get source gnome-panel and made some code changes, what commands do I need to build / install to test it out?
[05:14] <Amaranth> imnes: cd into the gnome-panel-2.12.whatever dir and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc
[05:15] <imnes> After making changes should I bump the verison number on the directory or does it not matter?
[05:15] <Amaranth> you'd edit the debian/changelog file but it doesn't matter if you're doing local patching
[05:16] <Amaranth> if you're patching breezy it'll more or less be a patch for you only, breezy is frozen
[05:17] <imnes> Yeah I'd like to do an official patch for the dev releases if it hasn't already been implemented, basically I'd like to add a gconf key to toggle drawing the arrow on a panel menu button.  Right now (in breezy anyway) it's hardcoded to always draw.
[05:21] <pesco> Greetings, MOTU. Is this also the right channel for packages in the multiverse?
[05:21] <\sh> dholbach: ping
[05:25] <\sh> dholbach: if you could have a look on istanbul...same problem as the last time..different file sizes of orig.tar.gz and seb128 touched it the last time...
[05:28] <thierry> is it possible to package something from scratch with cdbs??
[05:29] <Amaranth> yes
[05:33] <imnes> Amaranth: works great, thanks for the help.
[05:43] <thierry> ok but is there any howto on how to package something from scrach with cdbs... all I get is howto about how to switch a package to cdbs...
[05:44] <JohnnyMast> hellow
[05:44] <thierry> hi
[05:47] <JohnnyMast> everything alright ?
[05:48] <thierry> JohnnyMast : what do you mean?
[05:48] <JohnnyMast> if ur fine
[05:49] <thierry> yes yes
[05:49] <thierry> I just don't know if there is any howto on how to package something from scrach with cdbs... all I get is howto about how to switch a package to cdbs...
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> you should look on debian i think
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> OR
[05:51] <azeem> thierry: you just drop the three or four well known include /usr/share/cdbs/1/foo/bar.mk lines into debian/rules and fix up anything which breaks
[05:51] <JohnnyMast> check the chatlogs from #ubuntu-motu-school with ajmitch giving a lecruee
[05:53] <thierry> azeem : seriously? wow! so I make the debian/rules and the control and changelog file and that's it? I try building it?
[05:53] <azeem> thierry: well, the difference between cdbs and non-cdbs is only in debian/rules
[05:53] <azeem> and a Build-Depends on cdbs, of course
[05:54] <jamessan> yes, but it'd be good if you understood how things work without cdbs.
[05:54] <azeem> so just make the package like you would otherwise, and write a debian/rules for cdbs, which is trivial for easy projects
[05:54] <thierry> jamessan : yeah... but I got a easy project to try and it just looks so longggg without cdbs...
[05:54] <JohnnyMast> thierry welcome to packaging  :)
[05:55] <thierry> :)
[05:55] <jamessan> thierry: it is a bit longer, but then you understand how things truly work behind the curtains
[05:55] <thierry> the long stuff doesn't bother me... it just the long AND hard to understand that bother me
[05:56] <azeem> you should really try to understand them
[05:57] <thierry> I've learn a lot with the last course on motu-school about package without cdbs or debhelper but some stuff just looks impossible to understand...
[05:58] <dholbach> \sh: dunno what debian did on that project *shrug*
[05:59] <JohnnyMast> when is/was the meeting ?
[05:59] <\sh> dholbach: they brought in 0.1.1-1 ,)
[05:59] <\sh> dholbach: and I wonder why the don't use our orig.tar.gz but a different one....or we used a different one...
[05:59] <dholbach> \sh: i used upstream's one
[05:59] <dholbach> oh well
[06:00] <\sh> dholbach: seriously...how can we avoid this..it makes life not much easier for us :)
[06:00] <thierry> JohnyMast : the 10 december
[06:00] <dholbach> \sh: we can't
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> thierry no not that one
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> the motu meeting now the motu-school
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> i wrote a plan op dholbach`s Open day
[06:01] <JohnnyMast> *on
[06:01] <ogra> \sh, life ? easy ?
[06:01] <ogra> hahahaha
[06:02] <\sh> ogra: i'm refering to virtual life...this should be easier then real life :)
[06:02] <\sh> but I CAN BE WRONG (tm)
[06:02] <ogra> :)
[06:02] <\sh> oh damn....not again...fever starts again...this morning it just dropped below 38 deg C...and now...oh wow
[06:03] <JohnnyMast> thierry : http://www.rosiello.net/ubuntu/
[06:06] <\sh> ogra: how is suse doing? getting better?
[06:06] <thierry> JohnnyMast : wow... great Idea...
[06:07] <thierry> JohnnyMast : I think I'll post my questions there next time
[06:07] <JohnnyMast> well it still has to be discussed during the MOTU meeting wich i queryed for earlyr
[06:08] <thierry> k, but I really think it's a great idea
[06:08] <ogra> \sh, got a tooth pulled today ...
[06:09] <ogra> hopefully that helps ....
[06:09] <JohnnyMast> :) you can also msn me or email me if you cant find some one to help or ppl are bussy
[06:09] <\sh> ogra: ugh...thank god I'm avoiding the dentist ,)
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> aah its the next hour
[06:12] <thierry> JohnnyMast : what's your msn?
[06:12] <JohnnyMast><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:12] <pef> hello
[06:12] <JohnnyMast> hello pef
[06:13] <thierry> JohnnyMast : just added you to my list
[06:22] <thierry> JohnnyMast : How can I create a new changelog with dch?
[06:23] <azeem> dch -n
[06:24] <Hieronymus> thierry: http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/2005/12/09/%23ubuntu-motu-school.log
[06:24] <Hieronymus> thierry: bookmark that
[06:26] <thierry> Hieronymus : k but I know what is a changelog, I just don't know how to create one with dch
[06:26] <thierry> azeem : do I have the create a empty changelog file before?
[06:26] <azeem> oh, that
[06:26] <azeem> I thought you meant a new changelog entry
[06:26] <azeem> dunno about that, sorry
[06:28] <thesaltydog> thierry.. dch is quite useless. Just edit the changelog
[06:31] <JohnnyMast> thierry ok added
[06:31] <jamessan> thesaltydog: what's wrong with dch?
[06:31] <thesaltydog> nothing...
[06:31] <thesaltydog> I said it is just easier to edit the ChangeLog
[06:32] <jamessan> dch auto-updates the timestamp for you, and builds any necessary template you may need.  I don't see how that's useless.  *shrug*
[06:33] <thesaltydog> ok, sorry. I just prefer to do it myself.
[06:41] <JohnnyMast> thierry whats you msn name ? i dont see you
[07:01] <dholbach> crimsun, slomo_, siretart, anybodyinterestedinmediastuff: meeting now?
[07:02] <siretart> dholbach: yepp
[07:03] <siretart> dholbach: err
[07:03] <siretart> dholbach: didn't we say 1900 UTC?
[07:03] <dholbach> utc, ok ok:)
[07:04] <siretart> uuuh, MOTU Meeting today, too?
[07:04] <siretart> I must have missed the announcement :)
[07:04] <dholbach> i didnt schedule it :)
[07:06] <LaserJock> ok, so is there a MOTU Meeting today or not?
[07:06] <dholbach> yes
[07:06] <LaserJock> 19:00 UTC?
[07:06] <dholbach> 20
[07:06] <ogra> siretart, you announced a MOTUMeeting
[07:06] <dholbach> ogra: no, he announced a media meeting
[07:06] <LaserJock> hmm, fridge says 19:00 UTC
[07:06] <ogra> in your subject line;)
[07:07] <ogra> dholbach, yes in his text ...
[07:07] <dholbach> "Our next MOTU Meeting is scheduled for Saturday, 05. November, 21:40 UTC."
[07:07] <dholbach> ROCK
[07:07] <dholbach> come again next year
[07:07] <ogra> heh
[07:07] <siretart> ogra: did I had a typo? I only wanted to announce the MOTUMedia meeting
[07:08] <ogra> i think the subject said MOTUMeeting
[07:08] <siretart> oh darn, I wrote MOTUMeeting in the subject line
[07:08] <ogra> and the content MEDIAMeeting :)
[07:08] <ogra> or similar
[07:08] <dholbach> so let's agree on a NEW date and time for the motumeeting
[07:08] <siretart> well, all members of MOTUMedia are MOTUs, so it isn't that much of difference, isn't it? ;)
[07:08] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting is open for new points
[07:08] <ogra> dholbach, NEW ?
[07:08] <ogra> dholbach, so we need elmo approval ?
[07:09] <dholbach> ogra: there was no time fixed officially
[07:09] <ogra> kidding here ... ignore me :)
[07:09] <siretart> ogra: well, sorry for the confusing subject. I should have made a note
[07:09] <ogra> mmmm, passion .... fruit
[07:10] <siretart> dholbach: do we have open points for a MOTU Meeting?
[07:10] <dholbach> not really
[07:10] <dholbach> i just blanked the agenda
[07:10] <siretart> I mean, we can discuss general motu stuff afterwards
[07:10] <siretart> hehe
[07:10] <dholbach> we should have a proper motu meeting
[07:10] <dholbach> announce it 2 weeks before on our mailing list
[07:11] <dholbach> invite people to add stuff on the agenda, ...
[07:11] <ogra> as always
[07:11] <siretart> hehe
[07:11] <ogra> :)
[07:11] <dholbach> yeah, but funkier and bigger this time
[07:11] <dholbach> greater, bigger and better
[07:11] <dholbach> you know... :)
[07:11] <ogra> as always
[07:12] <ogra> as always
[07:12] <ogra> :)
[07:12] <dholbach> GRRRRRRRR
[07:12] <ogra> evil :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> ok, so we are not going to have a formal MOTU meeting today?
[07:13] <ogra> nope
[07:13] <dholbach> ogra: don't ridicule the motu flash factor, i mean it :)
[07:14] <ogra> dholbach, be careful, i have pics of you .... dancing ....
[07:14] <ogra> ;)
[07:14] <dholbach> post them online ;)
[07:14] <LaserJock> hmm, that would be a good fridge.u.c
[07:14] <dholbach> ogra: if you take pictures from weird angles, i will always look stupid/weird :)
[07:15] <ogra> hehe
[07:15] <LaserJock> hmm, if you take pictures of me from any angle I will look stupid/weird ;-)
[07:15] <siretart> does anyone use 2.6.15 with madwifi?
[07:16] <ogra> ;)
[07:16] <LaserJock> lol
[07:16] <ogra> i just smell weird
[07:20] <\sh> ogra: you don't have a abdominal influenza...so you can't smell weired
[07:21] <ogra> \sh, you smoke way to much to judge about that :)
[07:21] <LaserJock> \sh: still sick ay?
[07:21] <\sh> siretart: will test it with flight-2 on sunday
[07:21] <siretart> \sh: aaah good idea
[07:22] <\sh> LaserJock: yeah..well..fever goes up and down...and now it looks like something is really wrong with my stomach...
[07:23] <LaserJock> \sh: man, that is terrible.  It always makes the holiday season nice :(
[07:24] <\sh> LaserJock: after this..I think i'm "ticking" normal again....this illness was somehow overdue
[07:24] <LaserJock> I get to see my family 1 time a year and I end up throwing up the whole time
[07:25] <LaserJock> \sh: yeah, I seem to do that to. I will go for a couple years without having to much and BAM!, it hits me
[07:31] <kos_tom> hi
[07:32] <kos_tom> siretart: hi
[07:32] <kos_tom> siretart: i'm currently uploading gcompris 7.2 to revu.
[07:33] <siretart> kos_tom: cool!
[07:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:04] <raphink> hi sistpoty
[08:04] <sistpoty> hi raphink
[08:04] <raphink> :)
[08:04] <raphink> would you have time to review some package of mine?
[08:05] <sistpoty> raphink: not right now, as there is motumediameeting in ubuntu-meeting... maybe later
[08:05] <raphink> yes I just saw that
[08:05] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:12] <ajmitch> morning all, what's up in MOTU land?
[08:13] <ajmitch> since we don't have a MOTU meeting  or anything ;)
[08:13] <sistpoty> hehe
[08:28] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Linus's opinion of Gnome?
[08:29] <kos_tom> lucas: hi.
[08:31] <lucas> hi all & kos_tom
[08:32] <JohnnyMast> sup hackers
[08:33] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, pointless to try & stir that up again
[08:35] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I agree, kinda weird.
[08:37] <herve> hello
[08:42] <ajmitch> hey herve
[08:52] <JohnnyMast> hi Jimbob_ welcome
[08:52] <Jimbob_> Hi JohnnyMast
[08:52] <Jimbob_> I'm actually jcape, just had a power hiccup
[08:54] <JohnnyMast> i know you are
[08:54] <JohnnyMast> * Jimbob_ (i=jcape@ <--
[08:55] <jcape> Ok
[09:10] <dholbach> we're having a QUICK motu meeting atm
[09:10] <dholbach> current topic: REVU
[09:10] <ajmitch> dholbach: sigh
[09:11] <dholbach> ajmitch: *sigh back*
[09:29] <crimsun> LaserJock: bookmarked, will look tonight.
[09:29] <LaserJock> thanks
[09:32] <ajmitch> hey magnon_ :)
[09:33] <magnon_> I feel so... free, but at the same time naked
[09:33] <magnon_> hey :)
[09:40] <\sh> good night..but I think I'm coming back later this night
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> owwkey ??
[09:50] <ajmitch> bzr is great..
[09:50] <JohnnyMast> why am i unsubscibed from the reviewers mailing ?
[09:50] <ajmitch> updating to 0.1.5, bzr branch ../f-spot-0.1.4/debian/
[09:53] <JohnnyMast> :/
[09:53] <ajmitch> usually it's because of bouncing mail
[09:54] <Tonio_> hi all
[09:55] <ajmitch> JohnnyMast: don't worry...
[09:55] <ajmitch> From<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:55] <ajmitch> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:55] <ajmitch> it's the bug list being unsubscribed
[09:57] <siretart> dholbach: I just unsubscribed universe-bugs@ from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:58] <dholbach> ok
[09:58] <siretart> dholbach: you shouldn't get annoying mails anymore
[09:58] <dholbach> super
[10:06] <lucas> I have a few merges waiting related to ruby packages
[10:06] <lucas> could somebody take a look at them ? I'd like to do others, but don't want to start working on them before I'm sure I'm doing everything right
[10:06] <dholbach> slomo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Media
[10:08] <slomo_> dholbach: thanks :) but i'll go to bed now...
[10:08] <slomo_> gn8 everybody :)
[10:08] <crimsun> 'night
[10:09] <dholbach> slomo_: righto, good night :)
[10:10] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo_:
[10:12] <ajmitch> lucas: email \sh about them
[10:13] <ajmitch> he's offered to handle a bit of reviewing for the next week or so
[10:13] <lucas> ok I will
[10:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is there a place to look at the revu2 code?
[10:20] <sistpoty> LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/cgi-bin/trac.cgi
[10:20] <sistpoty> (hopefully there is a link to public svn in there)
[10:20] <LaserJock> sistpoty: thanks
[10:21] <sistpoty> LaserJock: svn is here: http://tiber.tauware.de/svn/revu2/
[10:21] <herve> good night
[10:22] <LaserJock> sistpoty: thanks again
[10:22] <sistpoty> np
[10:26] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[10:28] <kos_tom> siretart: I thought that I was supposed to receive an e-mail with my password on Revu after my first upload. I still didn't receive an e-mail, while my upload is available on the Revu website. Is it the expected behaviour ?
[10:30] <lucas> kos_tom: try to log in
[10:30] <lucas> with a random pw
[10:30] <LaserJock> kos_tom: I think you need to do the password recovery on the revu site
[10:30] <lucas> then ask for a lost password
[10:30] <siretart> kos_tom: yes. revu currently doesn't send any emails at all
[10:30] <siretart> kos_tom: use the recover link to learn your password. use as login the email adress you put in the changes file
[10:31] <kos_tom> ok, works
[10:31] <kos_tom> thanks !
[10:33] <raphink> dholbach: would you have some time to approve a small diff on a package you already advocated ?
[10:33] <dholbach> the link is?
[10:33] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1102
[10:34] <raphink> hopefully the file will appear in a very short time
[10:34] <raphink> gree
[10:34] <raphink> grr slow system ;)
[10:34] <dholbach> sure, you don'T have to ask for a new "ack"
[10:34] <dholbach> it's ok :)
[10:34] <raphink> really?
[10:34] <raphink> I thought so
[10:34] <dholbach> yeah
[10:35] <raphink> you mean if it's been aproved twice it works, even if not the same version?
[10:35] <raphink> sounds strange to me
[10:35] <raphink> ok it's up : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1102
[10:36] <raphink> just moved bash executables from /usr/bin to /usr/sbin where they should be ;)
[10:36] <LaserJock> The advocate counter get's reset at each upload
[10:36] <raphink> yes
[10:36] <siretart> could anyone please have a short look at my summary to the media team meeting?
[10:36] <siretart> http://paste.debian.net/3236
[10:36] <raphink> so it has to be advocated agagin
[10:36] <raphink> again
[10:36] <dholbach> it's just, if A gives you a vote, B gives you a vote on another upload and the diff is tiny, then you don't need to run around for weeks to find another motu give an ok :)
[10:37] <siretart> if I havn't missed an important point, i'd like to send it as is
[10:37] <raphink> oh ok dholbach :)
[10:37] <raphink> taht's why I ask
[10:37] <sistpoty> dholbach: did you upload it already?
[10:37] <raphink> siretart: could you have a look at it, too?
[10:37] <dholbach> we're maybe picky and anal, but we're not stupid :)
[10:38] <raphink> I know that dholbach, of course ;)
[10:38] <siretart> raphink: later, I'll have to write the minutes of the motu meeting now
[10:38] <siretart> sorry
[10:38] <raphink> dholbach: why would I want to become a MOTU, if I thought they were stupid people ? ;)
[10:38] <raphink> siretart: np
[10:38] <dholbach> siretart: looks great
[10:38] <dholbach> sistpoty: you had a look too? :)
[10:39] <siretart> dholbach: shall I include ubuntu-devel-announce, too?
[10:39] <sistpoty> dholbach: not yet... but in case you uploaded it, I would have said that it would have been kind to leave a comment
[10:39] <dholbach> raphink: i added a smiley ;)
[10:40] <dholbach> siretart: sure
[10:40] <siretart> ok
[10:40] <sistpoty> next sentence will be with future perfect *g*
[10:40] <raphink> dholbach: ?
[10:41] <sistpoty> siretart: looks good
[10:41] <dholbach> sistpoty: didn't upload yet
[10:41] <raphink> dholbach: ok my changes are wrong
[10:41] <raphink> dholbach: I'll change again
[10:41] <raphink> LOL
[10:42] <sistpoty> raphink: ok, then I'll wait for your next upload ;)
[10:42] <raphink> ok won't be long sistpoty :)
[10:42] <raphink> sistpoty: if you want to review my package, I have about 10 waiting on REVU
[10:42] <sistpoty> s/wait/work on revu mails/
[10:43] <sistpoty> raphink: I'll really want to have revu1 send mails as top prio atm... but once this is done, I guess I'll test that feature
[10:43] <raphink> ok
[10:44] <raphink> haha
[10:44] <raphink> dholbach: you'll have to advoated again
[10:44] <raphink>  /usr/sbin doesn't look good actually ;)
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> dholbach available to review the changes i made in my revu after you comemnted my ttb package ?
[10:45] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i'll gladly do so, which one is it?
[10:45] <dholbach> hey de
[10:45] <dholbach> hey desrt
[10:45] <desrt> hello. :)
[10:45] <JohnnyMast> let me link you
[10:45] <desrt> dholbach; do you know who handles ghc for ubuntu?
[10:46] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1182
[10:46] <magnon> desrt!
[10:46] <dholbach> desrt: did you read the ubuntu desktop news?!
[10:46] <desrt> magnon; 'sup?
[10:46] <desrt> dholbach; i did.
[10:46] <magnon> desrt: I cut my hair
[10:46] <desrt> magnon; uh oh.
[10:46] <dholbach> desrt: ghc - sistpoty?
[10:46] <desrt> magnon; got pics?
[10:46] <JohnnyMast> it includes a patch now witch you talked about
[10:46] <sistpoty> desrt: ghc as in ghc6?
[10:46] <desrt> sistpoty; yes.
[10:46] <sistpoty> desrt: I did some work on it, why?
[10:46] <desrt> sistpoty; do you know why it builds with gcc-3.3?
[10:47] <desrt> magnon; interesting cuty
[10:47] <desrt> *cut
[10:47] <desrt> why did you do it?
[10:47] <sistpoty> desrt: it shouldn't... actually the one in dapper should build with gcc4
[10:47] <raphink> sistpoty, dholbach : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1184
[10:47] <desrt> weird.
[10:47] <desrt> brb.
[10:47] <sistpoty> desrt: do you mean haskell stuff built with ghc6 or buildlogs of ghc6?
[10:48] <ajmitch> hey desrt
[10:49] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: python-dev (>=2.2) is not needed in the depends - did you have a look at the package's dependencies, after it was built? ${python:Depends} will have been substituted by the appropriate python version
[10:49] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i doubt you need debian/control.save in the debian/ dir ;-)
[10:49] <desrt> ajmitch; hello.
[10:49] <JohnnyMast> lol yeah
[10:50] <desrt> sistpoty; i mean if i look at the source package for ghc6 (in breezy, admittedly) it builds with gcc-3.3
[10:50] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: why the patch to setup.py? is it wrong the way it is?
[10:50] <desrt> magnon; so make with the info.  why did you do it? :)
[10:50] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i didnt see the obvious breakage
[10:50] <magnon> desrt: six years since last it was short
[10:50] <sistpoty> desrt: the breezy package didn't work with gcc-4 yet... only a quite unstable cvs-version did, and so decision was made to go with gcc-3.3
[10:51] <desrt> ahh.  right
[10:51] <desrt> 6.4.1 wasn't out yet
[10:51] <desrt> i remember now :)
[10:51] <magnon> feels kinda good
[10:51] <desrt> hmm
[10:51] <Tonio_> hi
[10:51] <JohnnyMast> how do you mean breakage ?
[10:51] <Tonio_> little question
[10:51] <dholbach> you tried to fix something with the patch, no?
[10:51] <dholbach> i mean, what was broken before?
[10:51] <Tonio_> if you had to rename a file in the tarball, how would you proceed ?
[10:51] <desrt> sistpoty; just building 641 here and was wondering if there was something i should know about :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> a patch ?
[10:51] <dholbach> raphink: now i understand, when i clicked on "debdiff" it just had the debhelper change, which was obviously fine with me :)
[10:51] <magnon> anyway, beer awaits
[10:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: use a debdiff
[10:52] <magnon> bye!
[10:52] <desrt> magnon; cheers
[10:52] <JohnnyMast> dholbach yes
[10:52] <Tonio_> dholbach: okay ;)
[10:52] <JohnnyMast> on python-glade2
[10:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: you could move it in debian/rules too
[10:52] <raphink> dholbach: ;)
[10:52] <dholbach> Tonio_: depends how long lasting this change will be
[10:53] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: the patch is a bit longer, no?
[10:53] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: on setup.py?
[10:53] <dholbach> raphink: are you happy with the current version? i'll give it another quick glance now
[10:53] <JohnnyMast> yes i cut out everything that was not needed
[10:53] <raphink> yes I'm happy with it dholbach
[10:53] <JohnnyMast> everything was in control
[10:53] <raphink> dholbach: sorry for the sbin stuff
[10:53] <JohnnyMast> so i did remove the checks
[10:53] <sistpoty> desrt: have fun... will take quite some time to build it... (~6 hours on my slow system)
[10:54] <desrt> sistpoty; i know.  i'm ghc upstream :p
[10:54] <sistpoty> desrt: ah, good to know... then I can bug you with problems :)
[10:54] <desrt> sistpoty; ya.  definitely.
[10:55] <desrt> sistpoty; i only maintain powerpc/linux port but any questions with that are more than welcome
[10:55] <Tonio_> dholbach: a few kB only ;)
[10:55] <dholbach> Tonio_: how long it will last and everything :)
[10:55] <dholbach> if the file differs with the next upstream release, you will have to work on the patch again :)
[10:55] <Tonio_> dholbach: depends if the upstream will accept the change or not ;)
[10:56] <Tonio_> in fact there is a .sh file in /usr/bin
[10:56] <dholbach> yeah :)
[10:56] <Tonio_> I've been told by siretart that it was crappy
[10:56] <dholbach> ah
[10:56] <dholbach> maybe move it
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> dholbach enlighten me when you find more. i fixed those two things you stated
[10:56] <Tonio_> and that causes a bug in lintian, who is unable to find the man
[10:56] <JohnnyMast> ready for source build but if you find more
[10:57] <Tonio_> so I'm patching the complete source and renaming the file, then package and send the patch to upstream authors
[10:57] <Tonio_> and make a pray for the patch to be added to the next version ^^
[11:00] <dholbach> raphink: an upload with orig.tar.gz please? :)
[11:01] <raphink> how come there's no orig.tar.gz ?
[11:01] <raphink> it's there in my folder though
[11:01] <dholbach> debuild -S ... dput ? :)
[11:01] <dholbach> instead of deuibld -S -sa?
[11:01] <raphink> hmm
[11:01] <raphink> hehe
[11:02] <raphink> learning a lot today ;)
[11:02] <raphink> uploaded again
[11:02] <raphink> waiting for it to appear
[11:03] <LaserJock> raphink: did you use dput -f ?
[11:03] <LaserJock> I always forget that
[11:03] <raphink> I had not used -sa in debuild
[11:03] <raphink> and I never use dput -f
[11:03] <thierry> if I'm packaging a librairing named fox, should I call the package libfox or fox?
[11:03] <raphink> what does it do?
[11:03] <thierry> librairy*
[11:04] <LaserJock> it forces dput to reupload
[11:04] <raphink> LaserJock: I remove the .upload usually
[11:04] <raphink> I guess -f is easier
[11:04] <LaserJock> either way ;-)
[11:06] <raphink> orig uploaded dholbach  :)
[11:06] <dholbach> rock
[11:06] <raphink> haha
[11:07] <raphink> sorry for all this
[11:07] <raphink> I hesitate asking you to review another package now ;)
[11:07] <raphink> hehe
[11:07] <Tonio_> raphink: have you been able to test briquolo ?
[11:08] <raphink> hmm not yet Tonio_
[11:08] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[11:08] <raphink> I'll try it now
[11:08] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[11:09] <thierry> and how can I find a package for this error : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[11:09] <crimsun> libxext-dev
[11:09] <tseng> sounds like libx11ext
[11:09] <tseng> or that
[11:09] <JohnnyMast> dholbach changes uploaded
[11:12] <raphink> dholbach: fine to you?
[11:12] <dholbach> both packages are not updated on the package yet, are they?
[11:13] <raphink> they are dholbach
[11:13] <raphink> mine is
[11:14] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: i don't see the sense in most changes in the patch
[11:15] <ajmitch> I feel like uploading a new f-spot
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> dholbach, the problem was. The package depends on python-glade2
[11:15] <ajmitch> but I haven't tested it at all
[11:15] <JohnnyMast> so its nicely added to the package
[11:16] <dholbach> yeah and that's fine, but you change a lot of other stuff
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> yes correct
[11:16] <raphink> dholbach: you don't see it uploaded ?
[11:16] <dholbach> and it's better to change one obvious thing per patch :)
[11:16] <dholbach> raphink: now i see it, thanks
[11:16] <raphink> ok :)
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> there was no need for the checks since the control manages that now and upstream is aware of getting rid of unused resources
[11:16] <JohnnyMast> or un needed
[11:16] <dholbach> i'm not talking about the checks
[11:17] <dholbach> but about comments and ordering of imports
[11:17] <dholbach> sorry to be so picky :)
[11:17] <dholbach> the patch is not really clear about what it does
[11:17] <JohnnyMast> well whats the problem in that ? since the patch is a recode of what was there
[11:18] <dholbach> you name a patch like    debian/patches/01_change_glade_tests.patch
[11:18] <dholbach> and then you do exactly this in the patch
[11:18] <dholbach> so everybody has a full understanding of what goes on
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> well dholbach the reason why it fails in debuild / pbuilder is also vague :/
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> ok
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> let me do that
[11:18] <JohnnyMast> more points ?
[11:18] <dholbach> what happens, if upstream changes stuff in the next upstream release
[11:19] <dholbach> do you want to have to change each of the tiny bits or just the relevant stuff each time? :)
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> that doesnt change anything
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> only maybe the deps
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> and ofcource the code
[11:19] <JohnnyMast> if you study the new setup.py it only installs nothing more
[11:20] <JohnnyMast> and yes if there are big changes that have to be done to the setup as well. i have to patch it again
[11:20] <dholbach> let somebody else review the patch, maybe i just don't get it
[11:20] <siretart> sistpoty: I see you just commited r109, is this all and can I apply to /srv/revu1?
[11:20] <dholbach> but changing comments and ordering of module imports are not necessary
[11:20] <dholbach> keep the diff small
[11:20] <sistpoty> erm.. not all yet siretart
[11:20] <dholbach> apart from that it looks good
[11:21] <sistpoty> -> query
[11:21] <dholbach> raphink: i'll upload it :)
[11:21] <raphink> thanks dholbach
[11:21] <JohnnyMast> thanks, so you want me to change the name of the patch and also the content to litle changes ?
[11:21] <dholbach> JohnnyMast: maybe you want to get other opinions on that, if you think you're right
[11:21] <desrt> sistpoty; do you do issue tracking for ubuntu's ghc6?
[11:22] <JohnnyMast> any reviewers want to review ttb on revu for a quick bit ?
[11:22] <raphink> dholbach: coudl you have a look at knmap (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1171) or kyamo (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1105) too ?
[11:22] <raphink> I can do that JohnnyMast
[11:22] <sistpoty> desrt: what do you mean with issue tracking?
[11:22] <dholbach> raphink: not tonight, sorry - please send me a mail and i'll have a look tomorrow
[11:22] <desrt> sistpoty; bug reports
[11:22] <raphink> dholbach: sure
[11:23] <dholbach> cool
[11:23] <sistpoty> desrt: once we get some... but currently I haven't heard of a bug report yet
[11:23] <desrt> it's going into upstream and will be in 6.4.2... but it should go in ubuntu too if 6.4.2 isn't released (which it probably won't be)
[11:24] <sistpoty> desrt: that's good... you could either throw it to malone, or what would be even cooler is to get this to debian BTS (since it's basically the debian/unstable package, with a one line change)
[11:24] <desrt> cool.  i know igloo.  he's a cool guy :)
[11:24] <desrt> igloo?  cool?  he he he
[11:24] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:25] <sistpoty> anybody wanting to add comments to revu... be aware that it might break :)
[11:26] <raphink> sistpoty: what do you mean?
[11:26] <raphink> it's reaching the maximum comments limit ?
[11:27] <raphink> ;)
[11:27] <raphink> JohnnyMast: can you give me the link pls?
[11:27] <sistpoty> raphink: as in "first commit that enables mail on comments (which is totally untested)
[11:27] <JohnnyMast> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1189
[11:27] <raphink> oh great sistpoty :)
[11:27] <raphink> looking forward to this
[11:28] <raphink> ooo
[11:28] <raphink> python
[11:29] <ajmitch> sistpoty: you have it mailing out yet?
[11:29] <sistpoty> ajmitch: it should, I'll test now
[11:29] <raphink> what do I do if the .changes of a package doesn't exist on the server ? ;)
[11:29] <raphink> hehe
[11:29] <sistpoty> well, it doesn't exactly mail yet. but gives funny messages
[11:29] <raphink> on REVU I mean
[11:30] <raphink> ;)
[11:30] <raphink> it'll be hard to review
[11:30] <sistpoty> raphink: the .changes are for uploading only
[11:30] <raphink> sistpoty: I use it with dpkg-source -x
[11:30] <sistpoty> raphink: a sourcepackage consists of dsc, which defines what other files belong to it
[11:30] <raphink> unless I don't need it
[11:31] <raphink> oh no I need diff actually
[11:31] <raphink> but it's not there
[11:31] <sistpoty> raphink: dpkg-source -x foobar.dsc will work as well
[11:31] <raphink> no it's missing orig
[11:31] <raphink> that's why
[11:31] <raphink> hehe
[11:31] <raphink> I'm a bit tired and used to getting the 3 first files in the list
[11:31] <raphink> lol
[11:31] <raphink> JohnnyMast: you miss the orig.tar.gz
[11:31] <raphink> JohnnyMast: did you run debuild -S -sa  ?
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> raphink ?? kidding ?
[11:32] <raphink> nope I'm not kidding
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> hold on
[11:32] <JohnnyMast> holy cow
[11:33] <JohnnyMast> no
[11:33] <raphink> lol
[11:33] <JohnnyMast> dpkg -buildpackage -S -sa -k<key>
[11:33] <raphink> mhm
[11:35] <sistpoty> ok, revu comments are fixed
[11:35] <JohnnyMast> raphink fix uploaded
[11:35] <raphink> ok
[11:35] <raphink> let's wait
[11:35] <raphink> ;)
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> yep
[11:37] <raphink> thank you JohnnyMast
[11:37] <JohnnyMast> :)
[11:39] <ajmitch> sistpoty:
[11:39] <ajmitch> To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:39] <ajmitch> From: www-data<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:39] <ajmitch> please change the from address ;)
[11:39] <siretart> ah. hm
[11:39] <siretart> ajmitch: we are using /usr/bin/mail for sending emails
[11:39] <ajmitch> siretart: yep
[11:39] <sistpoty> ajmitch: I need to change some details first... seems like I got sql wrong
[11:40] <ajmitch> and I don't know why you are doing so
[11:40] <ajmitch> when python has some nice simple smtplib
[11:40] <JohnnyMast> raphink http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1190
[11:40] <raphink> yeah saw it
[11:41] <sistpoty> ajmitch: because it's a nasty little hack ;)
[11:41] <JohnnyMast> i kept on pressing F5 :p
[11:41] <raphink> hehe
[11:41] <ajmitch> I guessed that :)
[11:42] <raphink> before I review it JohnnyMast you'll have to explain me why you switched from 0ubuntu1 to 1ubuntu1 ?
[11:42] <raphink> ;)
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> because i was stupid and uploaded 1ubuntu1
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> grr
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> hehe
[11:43] <raphink> ok I'll review it this way
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> no
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> its no update
[11:43] <raphink> please revert to 0ubuntu1  and I'll check the diff
[11:43] <JohnnyMast> more a downgrade
[11:43] <raphink> huh?
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> 1ubuntu1  is verry old beside the versoning is wrong
[11:44] <raphink> very old ??
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> but i still had that changes file until ajmitch told to change to 0ubuntu1
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> ^^
[11:44] <raphink> you mean you just sent an old version of the package ? ;)
[11:44] <raphink> oh ic
[11:44] <JohnnyMast> yes
[11:44] <raphink> well I'll wait again then
[11:45] <JohnnyMast> sorry
[11:45] <raphink> cd ttb && rm -rf ./*
[11:45] <raphink> while{no new version of ttb on REVU} do wait; done
[11:45] <raphink> ;)
[11:46] <raphink> is it me or LP changed ?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> LP ?
[11:47] <raphink> launchpad
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> mine ?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> why ?
[11:47] <JohnnyMast> ew misread
[11:47] <raphink> no I said that LP has changed
[11:47] <raphink> it doesn't look the same
[11:47] <raphink> nm
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> yeah its changed
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> since a few days this is the new look
[11:48] <JohnnyMast> the boxes you mean ?
[11:48] <raphink> yes
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> uhu
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> i dont get what changed
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> then new upload
[11:49] <JohnnyMast> has also no orig.tar.gz
[11:49] <raphink> huhu
[11:50] <raphink> :)
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> i dont see why
[11:52] <JohnnyMast> rave@ubuntu:~/ttb-0.9.4/ttb-0.9.4$ sudo dpkg-buildpackage -S -as -k84A62F8D
[11:53] <raphink> sa
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> in the end
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> dpkg-buildpackage: source only, diff-only upload (original source NOT included
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: I think I got it now
[11:53] <raphink> not as
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> oooh
[11:53] <raphink> -sa
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: I added the -f option to the sendmail call
[11:53] <ajmitch> siretart: great
[11:53] <ajmitch> now I have to tweak procmail
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> bingo !
[11:53] <JohnnyMast> dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included)
[11:53] <siretart> ajmitch: which email should I set?
[11:53] <raphink> heh ;)
[11:54] <siretart> I don't feel comfortable in putting my own email there ;)
[11:54] <JohnnyMast> uploaded ...
[11:54] <ajmitch> siretart: an alias on tiber, maybe revu@
[11:54] <ajmitch> or just the motu-reviewers list
[11:55] <siretart> ajmitch: I hope that won't confuse mailman, but I'll try
[11:55] <ajmitch> it shouldn't
[11:55] <sistpoty> raphink: just ignore my comment on konq-kim
[11:55] <raphink> sistpoty: what do you mean?
[11:55] <sistpoty> raphink: I just test-commented once more
[11:56] <raphink> yes probably spam
[11:56] <raphink> got it
[11:56] <JohnnyMast> its complete now raphink
[11:56] <raphink> too bad, I would ahve liked it if you had advocated though sistpoty ;)
[11:56] <raphink> JohnnyMast: ok I'll have a look
[11:56] <raphink> complete and up-to-date ? ;)
[11:56] <sistpoty> raphink: I'll test advocate later ;)
[11:56] <raphink> hehe ok
[11:56] <siretart> ajmitch: http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2005-December/000098.html this one looks even nicer :)
[11:57] <ajmitch> siretart: looks good
[11:57] <JohnnyMast> raphink yes
[11:57] <raphink> sistpoty: when emails are sent, there could be nice messages when packages are approved
[11:57] <raphink> like
[11:57] <raphink> `Congratulations, your package was approved! Thanks for your contribution'
[11:58] <raphink> that'll boost packagers ;)
[11:58] <raphink> hehe
[11:58] <JohnnyMast> yes it will, good idea raphink
[11:58] <siretart> sistpoty: are you still editing scripts/Comments.py?
[11:58] <sistpoty> hm... maybe for revu2 ;)
[11:58] <siretart> or can I commit?
[11:58] <sistpoty> siretart: no
[11:58] <sistpoty> siretart: it looks good now... you can commit
[11:59] <ajmitch> siretart: they appear to come from your address now, or did you change it since?
[11:59] <siretart> ajmitch: http://tauware.de/pipermail/motu-reviewers/2005-December/000098.html
[11:59] <sistpoty> hm... I could take a look at smtplib. if it's easy I'll change it
[12:00] <siretart> that mail seems to come from the mailing list itself. the 2 former tests looked like they came from me
[12:00] <ajmitch> yep
[12:00] <ajmitch> ok, I'll bbl
[12:00] <siretart> ajmitch: if you want to hack, have a look at /src/revu1/scripts/Comments.py
[12:00] <siretart> ;)
[12:00] <ajmitch> good work on revu :)
[12:00] <ajmitch> siretart: maybe later, I  have to head out now
[12:00] <siretart> ajmitch: have fun!
[12:00] <siretart> and good work to sistpoty!
[12:01] <sistpoty> thx
[12:01] <siretart> had actually to adapt the exim config to make www-data 'trusted'.. oh well
[12:01] <sistpoty> siretart: smtplib is too easy...
[12:01] <siretart> yeah?
[12:02] <sistpoty> siretart: yes... I'll do a quick fix
[12:02] <siretart> siretart: does it allow to set the -f flag to sendmail and specify the envelope from?


[01:33] <Guest86636> ja
[01:33] <Guest86636> nadie che
[01:33] <Guest86636> zzz
 @Guest86636 [<Guest86636> nadie che], Spanish?
[01:37] <kc2bez> I think so but they left.
 Ok ;)
[14:01] <Aison> hello, I installed lbuntu eoan here. It is working except that the mouse cursor is invisible?!?
[14:01] <Aison> but else the mouse is working
[14:01] <Aison> any hints?
[14:03] <diogenes_> Aison, tried different themes?
[14:07] <Aison> hmm, there is only one curser theme "breeze"
[14:07] <diogenes_> install a new one
[14:08] <Aison> can I do that somehow in the console?
[14:09] <diogenes_> Aison, i think you can, wait a moment.
[14:14] <Aison> k
[14:19] <diogenes_> Aison, first: wget https://bit.ly/33oMpI0
[14:19] <diogenes_> tell me when done.
[14:20] <Aison> done
[14:21] <diogenes_> Aison, tar xvzf 33oMpI0
[14:21] <Aison> done
[14:21] <diogenes_> mkdir .icons (assuming you are in /home/user dir)
 I wish there was a Wikipedia page for the PIXEL de comparing and contrasting it with LXDE and LXQt … and I'd like to see a controlled test of ram usage on a fresh Debian stable install of LXDE vs LXQt vs PIXEL … Maybe something like phoronix or however it's spelled … on the same computer hardware
[14:23] <Aison> diogenes_, .icons already exists :-)
[14:23] <diogenes_> Aison, then: cp -r BMZ .icons/
[14:23] <diogenes_> and look for the new cursor theme in the settings.
[14:24] <Aison> ok
[14:26] <Aison> hmm, I can select the theme, but no luck :-( cursor is still invisible, maybe it is some driver issue?
[14:27] <diogenes_> Aison, do you happen to install the system over the old /home partition/?
[14:38] <Aison> no
[14:38] <Aison> the user is new anyway
[21:09] <moveslow> Hello everyone :) Can anyone tell me how can I check my CPU temp? I see only temp of the cores :(
 that *is* the temperature of your CPU - you can add the CPU temps together and then take the average of them to get a rough approximation
 your "CPU" is split into cores, there is no one "CPU temp sensor"...
[21:18] <moveslow> lubot: but as I can see on the website, max temp for the i3 cpu is 69 C, when I'm using "sensors" command I see that max temp of each core is 95 C
[21:19] <moveslow> I still can't understand why..


[09:03] <MCR1> duflu: Hi :) Do you have 5 minutes to review: https://code.launchpad.net/~mc-return/compiz/compiz.fix1030473-part1/+merge/117182 ?
[09:04] <duflu> MCR1: Sorry, not right now. I will get to reviews later in the day/week
[09:04] <MCR1> duflu: ok, thx.
[09:05] <MCR1> Does someone here know if the Unity-merger has troubles @ the moment ?
[11:27] <sil2100> andyrock: hi!
[11:29] <andyrock> sil2100, hey
[11:30] <sil2100> andyrock: are you running quantal?
[11:32] <andyrock> sil2100, no more why?
[11:32] <andyrock> i'm going to reinstall it this week
[11:33] <sil2100> andyrock: since hm, I've been preparing a new quantal release of unity, and it seems unity trunk doesn't want to be loaded by compiz
[11:33] <sil2100> So I've been wondering if you had such problems
[11:35] <andyrock> sil2100, abi issues?
[12:57] <sil2100> mhr3: ping
[14:06] <sil2100> mhr3: would you mind if we released a new tarball for bamf as well?
[14:20] <sil2100> andyrock: are you still around? ;)
[14:20] <andyrock> sil2100, no :P
[14:20] <andyrock> i'm sleeping
[14:20] <sil2100> Ah, sorry then... ;p
[14:25] <mhr3> sil2100, why would i mind? :)
[14:25] <mhr3> sil2100, although trevinho and i wanted to make a major update
[14:25] <mhr3> sil2100, so try to talk to him as well
[14:25] <mhr3> Trevinho, ^
[14:26] <sil2100> mhr3: so we're still waiting for some changes in bamf?
[14:29] <carl0> Is there any dev documentation about HUD?
[14:30] <mhr3> sil2100, we wanted to change the major version, but just changing major version without merging the major branches doesn't make much sense
[14:30] <mhr3> and i dont know if those brnaches were merged
[14:30] <mhr3> so check with Trevinho pls
[14:31] <sil2100> mhr3: will do, thanks
[14:32] <Trevinho> mhr3, sil2100 no major branches yet
[14:32] <Trevinho> actually one is done, but I need to polish and mr it
[14:33] <sil2100> Trevinho: can I release bamf without those for now?
[14:33] <Trevinho> sil2100: just wait one commit :P
[14:33] <sil2100> :)
[14:33] <Trevinho> mhr3: hey! could you check this: https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/safe-win-reopen-on-new-desktop ?
[14:34] <Trevinho> mhr3: this is the crash we discussed about.. But I've decided to introduce some testing with it...
[14:34] <Trevinho> mhr3: the fix itself is just a couple of lines...
[14:35] <mhr3> Trevinho, holy crap, that's huge! :P
[14:35] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes, that's the testing cost! :)
[14:36] <Trevinho> sil2100: with that branch I'd be happy to do an sru...
[14:37] <Trevinho> mhr3: the fix itself is just http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/bamf/safe-win-reopen-on-new-desktop/revision/476
[14:37] <mhr3> Trevinho, can i review just that? that looks fine :)
[14:37] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes... I just need an approval on everything btw D:
[14:38] <Trevinho> :D
[14:38] <sil2100> Trevinho: SRU maybe next week
[14:38] <seb128> mhr3, we found desrt if you still need him, he's downstair with us
[14:38] <mhr3> seb128, ok, will be there in 5minutes
[14:38] <mhr3> stall him :)
[14:39] <Trevinho> mhr3: are you at GUADEC too?
[14:39] <mhr3> Trevinho, is it possible that the reopen would cause a close of child window that's already in the list?
[14:39] <mhr3> Trevinho, yea
[14:39] <Trevinho> oh, nice
[14:40] <Trevinho> mhr3: mhmhm... let me check..
[14:40] <mhr3> Trevinho, cause if it does, it will still crash
[14:40] <Trevinho> mhr3: no... no possible
[14:40] <mhr3> although just reffing the to_rematch would fix that
[14:40] <Trevinho> bamfwindows have no children
[14:41] <Trevinho> mhr3: they have transient windows, but they're handled independently on this side
[14:42] <Trevinho> mhr3: I can add it if you want, but windows have no children... so...
[14:43] <carl0> Where could I get dev documentation about HUD?
[14:44] <Trevinho> carl0: to do what?
[14:44] <Trevinho> carl0: do you want to add entries to it?
[14:47] <carl0> yes Trevinho I want to see how it works and how to add entries from another application
[14:51] <mhr3> Trevinho, if you say it can't happen i'm taking your word for it :)
[14:54] <Trevinho> carl0: you only have to add menus to a qmenubar/gtkmenubar of your application... The HUD will grab them
[15:00] <carl0> Thanks Trevinho. I'm interacting directly with dbus so I need to discover wich object path uses gtkmenubar
[15:00] <mhr3> Trevinho, btw there was a question for you on unity-dev, could you check that out pls
[15:08] <mhr3> Trevinho, had one tiny comment
[15:09] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes, i saw... I already talked with him in private since he wrote to me direcly as well
[15:10] <mhr3> Trevinho, well the mailing list is public, so atm doesn't have answer, so would be nice to post it there as well
[15:12] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes, sure...
[15:12] <Trevinho> mhr3: I didn't since I also wanted to check with jason, since that code is basically obsolete to me
[15:12] <Trevinho> mhr3: I've inverted the is_closed thing, can you approve now? :)
[15:19] <carl0> After set _GTK_MENUBAR_OBJECT_PATH and g_dbus_connection_export_menu_model into /org/gtk/example/menus/appmenu, I can see menus in unity but nothing in HUD
[15:20] <mhr3> Trevinho, so when do you want to bump the ver number for bamf?
[15:21] <Trevinho> mhr3: I still have the gdbus branch ready (I only have been too busy to cleanup some things, and make a MR)... I think that it could be a good step
[15:22] <mhr3> Trevinho, so, still no major bump?
[15:23] <Trevinho> mhr3: if we want something "big" to go in, to do the bump, I'd say so..
[15:23] <sil2100> mhr3, Trevinho: so, what should I release this week ;)?
[15:24] <Trevinho> sil2100: we have some fixes on it..
[15:25] <sil2100> Trevinho: is it good for a regular tarball release? Or should I distro-patch it?
[15:25] <Trevinho> mhr3: do you have any idea why if I compile bamf in a build dir, then I get issues at the point of generating the gir?
[15:26] <mhr3> Trevinho, pastebin?
[15:27] <Trevinho> mhr3: in a second... but it complains about missing bamf-marshal's
[15:28] <Trevinho> mhr3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121619/
[15:28] <mhr3> Trevinho, weird i was fixing something similar
[15:28] <mhr3> but i dont remember if in bamf or somewhere else
[15:28] <Trevinho> sil2100: I think a tarball is fine... However new files have been added (gir and vapi)
[15:28] <Trevinho> mhr3: I don't know... it was working few days ago :(
[15:28] <mhr3> ehm, i think it was for dee
[15:29] <mhr3> Trevinho, is that trunk?
[15:29] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes
[15:29] <mhr3> give me a sec
[15:46] <mhr3> Trevinho, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121652/ should do it
[15:48] <Trevinho> mhr3: i tried something silimar, but it didn't work... maybe I forgot something...
[15:50] <Trevinho> mhr3: ok, fine that works :)
[15:50] <Trevinho> mhr3: do you MR it?
[15:52] <mhr3> Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~mhr3/bamf/fix-non-srcdir-build/+merge/117469
[15:54] <Trevinho> mhr3: another thing... trying jhbuild I've got sometimes link issues... resolved removing the installed libraries...
[15:54] <Trevinho> why that?
[15:55] <Trevinho> mhr3: for example, linking issues with libunitycore... while it should link against the local one
[15:56] <mhr3> Trevinho, it's compiz unity cmake issue
[15:56] <mhr3> Trevinho, easy fix is to rm $(prefix)/lib/libunity-core*
[15:57] <mhr3> well, s/fix/workaround/
[15:58] <Trevinho> mhr3: yes... I used that... I was just wondering if there was something better :)
[15:58] <mhr3> Trevinho, yes, fix the cmake cr*p
[16:35] <Trevinho> :)
[17:03] <carl0> Where could I found dev documentation about HUD? I've problems adding items... Can't see anyting with gtk_application_set_menubar
[17:48] <DebolazW> Has adding a configuration option to allow auto-maximization of windows (Without installing ccsm) been discussed? Its a bit tiresome to constantly have to maximize certain windows. Or at least allow certain programs to launch automaximized.
[19:37] <lynchseanm> If I build unity and nux from source can I run unity with compiz from the precise repo?
[19:37] <lynchseanm> Or do I need to build compiz from source also?
[19:39] <lynchseanm> I'm getting compiz errors: 'Could not stat() file /home/slynch/.compiz-1/plugins/libexpo.so : No such file or directory'


[00:51] <CynthiaG> There has been a regression with today's update to librsvg, bug 259485. Should I reopen that bug or open another saying "regression in Lucid"?
[00:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 259485 in librsvg (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "(bad render) incorrect float parsing in data attribute in tag <path> (dups: 1) (heat: 4)" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259485
[01:14] <CynthiaG> eh, I reopened the bug :)
[06:04] <trinikrono> hey all , i can do with some mentoring!
[06:08] <micahg> !ask | trinikrono
[06:08] <ubot2> trinikrono: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)
[06:09] <trinikrono> micahg: clearly you did not understand me lol, i meant i applied for a mentor and i wanted someone to help me learn a little.
[06:09] <micahg> trinikrono: k
[06:09] <micahg> trinikrono: have you applied to the Launchpad group
[06:09] <trinikrono> yes
[06:09] <micahg> trinikrono: sorry, it's late for me :)
[06:09] <micahg> vish: you around?
[06:11] <trinikrono> i vote for ddecator, he's a nice guy lol
[06:11] <micahg> trinikrono: what are your interests?
[06:13] <trinikrono> well so far i was triaging on the checkgmail package
[06:13] <trinikrono> so i not really made up about anything yet, but i want to reach bugcontrol
[06:16] <micahg> trinikrono: well, I can help with basic questions tonight
[06:18] <trinikrono> okie well here goes
[06:18] <micahg> trinikrono: BTW, here's the mentoring group on LP: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
[06:18] <micahg> oops
[06:18] <micahg> https://edge.launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship
[06:19] <trinikrono> yes i applied there two months ago
[06:19] <vish> micahg: hey
[06:19] <trinikrono> my name is kurt belgrave on the list
[06:19] <micahg> vish: trinikrono is looking for a mentor, are you working on that stuff?
[06:20]  * vish looking
[06:21] <vish> trinikrono: any preferred time ?
[06:22] <vish> it would be preferable if you could update it : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/trinikrono
[06:22] <vish> the updated mentors wiki > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[06:23] <trinikrono> well i am not really worried about time i tend not to sleep but i am utc-4
[06:24] <trinikrono> and i updated it 5 days ago , is there something you wanted to see on the wikipage?
[06:24] <vish> trinikrono: yeah , the time available was what i was looking for, if its not an issue you could mention that ;)  ..
[06:25] <vish> trinikrono: has ddecator already been mentoring you?
[06:25] <vish> or do you know him?
[06:25] <trinikrono> well he helped me when i was doing some triaging on the checkgmail package
[06:26] <trinikrono> i was asking around here like i normally do
[06:26] <vish> ah , cool
[06:26] <vish> trinikrono: ddecator's time available is 03:00 - 06:00 UTC . is that ok for you?
[06:28] <trinikrono> erm i am not sure what time that is
[06:28] <trinikrono> give me a minute
[06:28] <trinikrono> would it help if i said its 1:30 am now?
[06:28] <micahg> trinikrono: so, 10PM-1AM for you :)
[06:29] <trinikrono> yea thats super
[06:30] <vish> hmm , utc -4 would be i think 11pm - 2-am
[06:30] <micahg> vish: yes, but IIRC, ddecator had 9PM -12PM local time
[06:30] <micahg> s/12PM/12AM/
[06:31] <vish> ah..ok then.. trinikrono you got your wish! merry xmas ;p
[06:32] <trinikrono> nice, what happens now
[06:47] <ddecator> do i have two students now? :p
[06:49] <ddecator> vish: btw, i think austin can be taken off of my name, still haven't heard back
[06:49] <vish> ddecator: well , everyone want you :)
[06:49] <vish> wants*
[06:50] <ddecator> haha, can't complain about that. so i trinikrono officially going to be my student then vish?
[06:50] <ddecator> s/i/is
[06:50] <vish> ddecator: yeah , adding him in as we speal
[06:50] <vish> speak*
[06:50] <ddecator> vish: sounds good, thanks
[06:50] <ddecator> trinikrono: you still around?
[06:50] <trinikrono> yush!
[06:51] <ddecator> trinikrono: good deal! mind if i pm you?
[06:51] <trinikrono> go right ahead
[06:51] <trinikrono> you know i ask a lot of questions
[06:52] <ddecator> that's usually a good thing :)
[06:52] <Wilcey> In what applications are we finding bugs today
[06:53] <micahg> Wilcey: >80k on LP :)
[06:54] <Wilcey> Thanks :)
[07:31] <ddecator> anyone have a link to the wiki page that discusses what users should do if they have a trouble with a repo server not working properly?
[07:31] <ddecator> -a
[07:31] <micahg> ddecator: a mirror?
[07:31] <ddecator> micahg: yah
[07:32] <micahg> ddecator: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[07:32] <ddecator> oh, it's on find right package too..haha, thanks micahg
[07:36] <vish> oh , bloody!
[07:37] <ddecator> vish: hm?
[07:37] <vish> lp has a limit on how many times you can use the "Contact this user"
[07:37] <vish> in one day !
[07:38] <ddecator> a limit that one user can contact a person per day, right?
[07:38] <vish> ddecator: nah , a limit on how many users you can contact. i was sending the mail to mentors
[07:39] <vish> and mentees
[07:39] <vish> i think it is 4 or 5 limit
[07:39] <micahg> vish: yes, so people don't spam, you should set up an ML if you want to send regular mails
[07:39] <ddecator> vish: get the mentors' emails so you can just email us directly
[07:39] <vish> yeah , probably.
[09:43] <nperry> Could somone wishlist 557112 and mark importance as low
[09:43] <nperry> bug 557112
[09:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 557112 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Add the menu "Report Bug or Broken Website" (affects: 1) (heat: 54)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557112
[09:44] <om26er> nperry, its in daily builds but they dont want it in stable
[09:44] <om26er> they meant google
[09:44] <om26er> and upstream bug is 'wont fix'
[09:45] <nperry> I was thinking that the OP wanted to report a bug for chromium in launchpad
[09:46] <om26er> I guess ubuntu will do something for this in Maverick
[09:49] <nperry> What is the best plan for this bug then?
[09:49] <nperry> Not to sure on how to move on
[09:51] <om26er> title should be edited to chromium need launchpad integration. maybe it can be done with global menus atleast
[09:52] <vish> nperry: it is a request to add apport hook [and support] for chromium  , it think there is already a bug somewhere for the "Report a bug""
[09:53] <nperry> can't seem to find one
[09:59] <nigelb> vish: is chromium in the repos?
[10:00] <nperry> It is, nigelb
[10:00] <vish> yup
[10:00] <nperry> Has been since karmic cycle
[10:00] <nigelb> so the bug is about apport integration?
[10:00] <vish> nigelb: there seems to be an option in the upstream version , but not in the Ubuntu one. maybe fta knows why it is removed
[10:01] <nigelb> vish: its a spec from last uds, to remove that menu option
[10:01] <nigelb> not uds-m, uds-l
[10:01] <vish> probably the upstream one points to chromium bugzilla  , so we need apport
[10:01] <nperry> nigelb: shouldn't something replace it?
[10:01] <nigelb> yep
[10:02] <nigelb> yep, apport will collect the information
[10:02] <nigelb> you just need to run ubuntu-bug chromium-broswer as with any other package in ubuntu
[10:03] <nperry> More user friendly would be to have an option in the menu to call that
[10:03] <nigelb> if it needs hook writing, I'll write it.  I've asked for more information and subscribed to the bug, so no worries
[10:03] <nigelb> I dunno how its done, anyway, let me hunt for the spec
[10:05] <nperry> Ok :)
[10:05] <nigelb> vish, nperry : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-bug-management
[10:06] <nigelb> look at seb's first action item
[10:13] <nperry> I see.
[10:18] <nigelb> crimsun_: Are you on top of bug 70015? (you already have a debdiff ;) )
[10:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 70015 in kismet (Debian) (and 1 other project) "kismet description incorrect - does 802.11abg not just b (heat: 10)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70015
[10:25] <nigelb> vish: you could have mailed my @ubuntu.com id for bugsquad mentee assignment
[10:25] <vish> yeah , i was lazy.. maybe i should do it for others ;)
[10:25] <vish> still few remaining
[10:26] <nigelb> most of the more publically visible folks have their personal and ubuntu ID displayed prominently :)
[11:31] <BUGabundo> morning
[11:36] <nperry> What is upstream for xserver-xorg-video-intel ?
[11:38] <vish> bdmurray: you should probably clean up you lp email ids ;)  not sure all of them are active
[11:39] <BUGabundo> ehe
[11:39] <BUGabundo> speaking of LP
[11:39] <BUGabundo> what's up with pidgin-develepors PPA?
[11:39] <BUGabundo> their pgp key changed
[11:41] <om26er> nperry, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=xorg
[11:41] <om26er> there select component. Driver/intel
[12:40] <nperry> bug 593231 seems a very odd bug, I'm unable to recreate it, doesn't happen with me. What further information could help, not to sure if this is a gdm problem
[12:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593231 in ubuntu "new users can't log in (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593231
[12:41] <jpds> nperry: You probably need the relevant bits of his auth.log.
[12:42] <penguin42> jpds: Except it looks like it's actually logged in
[12:43] <nperry> penguin42: from my understanding offically he is.
[12:43] <penguin42> I'd see if there is a .xsession-errors in /home/test3 and get a copy of that (although it often contains lots of crud)
[12:44] <penguin42> I'd also get an ls -lR of /home/test3
[12:47] <nperry> Ok, thanks penguin42
[12:47] <nperry> Stumped me a bit, but looking for a good bug to get my head into today :)
[12:48] <penguin42> maybe also a .xsession* - it almost looks like one of the things in the session is hanging before the panel comes up
[12:54] <thekorn> vish, you assigned me two students, right?
[12:54] <thekorn> just one to make sure this is on purpose
[12:54] <vish> thekorn: yup
[12:55] <thekorn> vish, does everyone get more than one?
[12:55] <thekorn> or is it just because I'm sooooooooooooo nice ;)
[12:55] <vish> thekorn: well , one you are nice  , also , there is a shortage of people in the timezone 6-12utc ;)
[12:56] <vish> and no one in 6-9 utc
[12:56] <thekorn> ok, I'll try to get in contact with both at the beginning of next week
[12:56] <thekorn> thanks for all your admin work
[12:56] <vish> cool
[12:56] <vish> np.
[12:56] <thekorn> vish, but: two is enough ;)
[12:57] <vish> yeah , sure :)
[12:57] <thekorn> okidoki
[13:00] <micahg> vish: I can't do full time mentoring ATM
[13:00] <micahg> vish: I'm available for questions here and there
[13:00] <vish> micahg: yeah , i realized that , hence I was adding them for ddecator , but those time slots are heavily unmanned :(
[13:01] <micahg> vish: what does the * mean
[13:02] <vish> shortage of mentors at those time
[13:02] <micahg> vish: no, it's on the specialty
[13:02] <vish> micahg: also , i dont think some of the students might respond , they had applied a long while ago
[13:04] <vish> micahg: yeah , david is interested in FF , and rockfx's time  only you are available :S
[13:05] <micahg> vish: no, next to firefox, there's a star in my specialty
[13:05] <vish> micahg: yeah , i wanted to ask what that meant?
[13:05]  * micahg is asking
[13:05] <micahg> was there something on the previous page
[13:07] <vish> "micahg> vish: what does the * mean  "    oh , you were asking about the '*' , i was thinking you were asking about the slots or something else :D
[13:07] <vish> ;p
[13:07] <vish> micahg: i'm not sure , it was there and i didnt edit it :)
[13:54] <samfreed> On lucid, openoffice silently fails. This is new in last few days. 64bit.
[13:57] <nigelb> micahg: there are a couple of xulrunner and firefox bugs with patches.. can help?
[13:58] <micahg> nigelb: sure, but my battery is about to die
[14:03] <penguin42> samfreed: hmm there was an ooo update in the last day or two
[14:03] <penguin42> samfreed: If you start it from the command line what happens?
[14:04] <micahg> nigelb: can we go through them tomorrow about this time?
[14:06] <samfreed> penguin42:fails silently
[14:07] <penguin42> samfreed: Do you know if you are running the OOo quickstart thing?
[14:07] <micahg> oowriter wfm
[14:07] <samfreed> penguin42:No, I dont know. How do I find out?
[14:08] <penguin42> samfreed: not sure, but I was wondering if an old one was stuck - does ps -eaf|grep openoffice show anything?
[14:08] <samfreed> oowriter wfm just sits there.
[14:09] <nigelb> micahg: ok, go recharge :)
[14:11] <samfreed> ok, the "ps ...." this found some 3 splashes... killed 'em and they work!
[14:18] <nigelb> bug 545681
[14:18] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 545681 in gstreamer0.10 (Ubuntu) "Movie player requires DVD subpicture decoder but reports not available (affects: 8) (heat: 68)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545681
[14:22] <nigelb> vish: question.
[14:23] <nigelb> did you take a student youself?
[14:23] <vish> nigelb: nope ;)
[14:23] <vish> nigelb: just admin :p
[14:23] <nigelb> vish: I suspect that's why you volunteered to be admin :p
[14:24] <vish> nigelb: dude dont think it is easy , since morning i've been trying to get this done :(
[14:24] <vish> took nearly 6hrs to sort and assign students :s
[14:24] <vish> well , there was a huge backlog of students
[14:25]  * penguin42 is looking at a bug 592892 which I guess is either linux or ubiquity, but it doesn't have any hardware detail - should I ask him to do an ubuntu-bug -u 592892     (is that the right syntax)
[14:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 592892 in ubuntu "Hardware RAID enabled without confirmation in desktop install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/592892
[14:25] <nigelb> vish: Didn't say it was easy.  I appreciate the hard work you've done, but I'm just pulling your leg :D
[14:25] <vish> ;)
[14:26] <Wilcey> Thanks everyone for supporting ubuntu (: WIlcey Signing Off
[14:27] <nigelb> vish: do we have a list of things that mentees should be taught about?
[14:27] <nigelb> perhaps we can work on this over the next few weeks?
[14:28] <vish> nigelb: well the basics. they should know what the triage wiki mentions.
[14:28] <vish> and know what status to assign , and how to look after private/public bugs
[14:29] <nigelb> well, are we mentoring just for basics or are we mentoring until they get to bug control level?
[14:29] <vish> to get to BC
[14:29] <nigelb> then, I think we can have some kind of list that mentors can work though
[14:29] <nigelb> *through
[14:29] <nigelb> makes work easier IMHO
[14:30] <micahg> vish: nigelb: keep in mind, the big differences in bug control are: Importance, Won't Fix/Triaged statuses, and Private bgus
[14:30] <micahg> *bugs
[14:30] <vish> micahg: yeah , I'm not sure what else nigelb thinks is missing
[14:30] <nigelb> no no
[14:30] <nigelb> I'm being vague
[14:31] <nigelb> I'm talking of something like perhaps a "lesson plan" or a structured progress plan or something
[14:31] <vish> nigelb: get out of classrom mode ;p , just wing it ;)
[14:32] <nigelb> vish: this is mostly learning project mode, but you get the gist
[14:32] <vish> nigelb: yeah , sure.. if you come up with something , we can add it to the wiki list
[14:32]  * micahg thinks the 3 things I mentioned, plus a comfortability that the triager's responses are in line with what we'd expect
[14:33] <nigelb> micahg: that makes me wish for something like "follow user" that gnome bugzilla has
[14:33] <nigelb> so the mentor can get a mail of every response that the OP has done
[14:33] <micahg> nigelb: I subscribe to the packages I help maintain and watch for replies
[14:34]  * micahg is a little behind on bugmail :)
[14:34] <nigelb> micahg: I don't do any package wise triaging
[14:34] <nigelb> I just triage patches these days
[14:34] <micahg> nigelb: there's the gmane link that hggdh set up
[14:34] <micahg> nigelb: if you have the ff-lp-improvements
[14:34] <nigelb> micahg: oh yeah! that works :)
[14:34]  * nigelb hugs micahg
[14:35] <micahg> :)
[14:35]  * micahg is reminded that he forgot about the last hugda
[14:35] <micahg> *hugday
[14:35] <nigelb> what is brian curtis's LP ID?
[14:35] <micahg> nigelb: https://edge.launchpad.net/people
[14:36] <nigelb> wow, that is new
[14:36] <micahg> been around for a while AFAIK
[14:37] <borschty> hi, does it make sense to mark bugs that have been fixed long time ago but been marked as fixed or would that just generate useless bugmail spam?
[14:38] <borschty> *not been marked as fixed
[14:38] <nigelb> I would vote to mark them fixed, so that people who come there via google know that issue is fixed
[14:38] <micahg> borschty: if you're sure it was a bug and was fixed, you can mark fix released and when if you know it
[14:38] <nigelb> it would nice to find the commit or changelog entry for it
[14:39] <nigelb> vish: I was thinking of a "how to triage" classroom session now that we have new mentees
[14:39] <nigelb> well, multiple sessions at multiple times
[14:40] <borschty> ok, i'm just going through some old reports that i'm subscribed to
[14:40] <nigelb> we could reduce the burden on mentors
[14:42] <micahg> om26er: a note, only the desktop team marks bugs fix committed when upstream fixes them AFAIK
[14:43] <om26er> no everyone does that
[14:43] <nigelb> and thats because they intent to backport those fixes
[14:43] <micahg> om26er: no
[14:43] <micahg> !status
[14:43] <ubot2> Factoid 'status' not found
[14:43]  * micahg needs to add that factois
[14:43] <micahg> *factoid
[14:43] <micahg> om26er: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[14:44] <micahg> !bugstatus
[14:44] <ubot2> Factoid 'bugstatus' not found
[14:44] <nigelb> micahg: can you just type out the factoid, I'll ask jussi to add
[14:45] <micahg> You can find out about how Ubuntu uses bug statuses here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status
[14:45] <micahg> nigelb: I think maybe it should be statuses or bugstatuses
[14:45] <om26er> micahg, for empathy, gwibber or evolution when the bug is fixed upstream its marked fix committed at launchpad
[14:45] <micahg> om26er: that's all the desktop team :)
[14:45] <micahg> GNOME specifically :)
[14:46] <micahg> Mozilla team uses it if a fix is committed to our bzr branch
[14:47] <micahg> other general usage is when a fix is in -proposed
[14:47] <nigelb> !bugstatus
[14:47] <ubot2> Factoid 'bugstatus' not found
[14:47] <nigelb> well, its in - will be synced in a few
[14:47] <micahg> nigelb: thanks
[14:47] <nigelb> micahg: Happpy to help :)
[14:47] <micahg> nigelb: maybe we should have a wiki page for bug control factoids :)
[14:48] <nigelb> ack, I'll get to it, just PM me the list that you know of
[14:48] <nigelb> oh, wait, etherpad \o/
[14:49] <nigelb> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/bugfactoids
[14:49] <nigelb> keeping adding the ones that you know of here
[14:49] <micahg> 502 error :)
[14:49] <micahg> now it works
[14:49] <nigelb> try again
[14:49]  * om26er is confused
[14:50] <borschty> i'm not quite sure what to do with this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/196811 i'm the original reporter, but somehow the according patch never made it to the kernel-package and then some time later the whole driver got dropped and replaced by something else, that does not show the original problem anymore but has some other problems on its own. I think it should be marked as invalid and new reports for t
[14:50] <borschty> he other problems of the new driver should be opened instead of hijacking this old and unrelated report
[14:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 196811 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "kernel driver doesn't set Quickcam Express as v4l-capable (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Medium,Won't fix]
[14:50] <nigelb> borschty: er, you mgiht want to talk to JFO about that.  He'll be around on weekdays
[14:51] <borschty> ok, thanks
[14:57] <nigelb> !apport is <reply>Apport is a crash intercepter and bug reporting tool in Ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[15:01] <nigelb> vish: poke
[15:01] <nigelb> we need a bug mentorship factoid, what to brainstorm the name and text of it?
[15:05] <vish> nigelb: we can have channel specific factoids , so !mentors is enough
[15:05] <vish> so if we go !mentors in -bugs it will be enough
[15:05] <nigelb> are you sure that is possible?
[15:05] <vish> yup
[15:05]  * nigelb isn't very bot-savy
[15:05] <nigelb> ok, text to reply?
[15:06] <micahg> nigelb: there's probably a parameter you have to specify to make it this channel only
[15:06] <vish> that the irc admins will take care of
[15:06] <nigelb> asking the good folks in #ubuntu-irc :)
[15:06] <nigelb> vish: what should the factoid say?
[15:07] <nperry> penguin42: the bug has been updated with what was asked for
[15:08] <nperry> nothing much on xsession-errors
[15:08] <vish> nigelb: "Looking for a helping hand with bug triage? Apply to the Bugsquad Mentorship team : https://launchpad.net/~bugsquad-mentorship"
[15:08] <nperry> and ls -lR looks normal
[15:08] <vish> nigelb: wait
[15:08] <nigelb> ok, waiting
[15:09] <penguin42> nperry: Sorry, which bug? (i've got a few in my head at the moment)
[15:10] <nigelb> vish: Ok, I know how to do it.  Just give the text once you're ready with ith
[15:11] <nperry> bug 593231
[15:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 593231 in ubuntu "new users can't log in (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/593231
[15:11] <vish> !mentors-#ubuntu-bugs is <reply> Looking for a helping hand with bug triage? Read the wiki for information about requesting a bugsquad mentor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[15:11] <ubot2> vish: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:11] <vish> nigelb: ^
[15:12] <vish> bleh bad ubot2
[15:12] <nigelb> !mentors-#ubuntu-bugs is <reply>Looking for a helping hand with bug triage? Read the wiki for information about requesting a bugsquad mentor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[15:12] <ubot2> nigelb: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[15:12] <vish> nigelb: use !mentor
[15:12] <vish> probably no need extra s
[15:14] <penguin42> nperry: There are a bunch of polkit warnings/errors in there that look suspicious, but I'm not a polkit expert - and I wonder if they are related to him trying it in a guest session rather than the real problem
[15:14] <nigelb> vish: lemme talk to jussi
[15:17] <vish> !mentor
[15:17] <ubot2> Factoid 'mentor' not found
[15:17] <nigelb> vish: wait for bot sync
[15:17] <BUGa_vacantions> lol
[15:17] <BUGa_vacantions> bot doesn't like you
[15:17] <vish> grr...
[15:17]  * vish kicks ubot2
[15:24] <nailora> open office creates some world-writable config files. is this a bug?
[15:24] <nailora> run the following command to list them: "find $HOME/.openoffice.org/3/ -perm -o+w -type f -ls"
[15:27] <penguin42> I don't seem to have any
[15:34] <nailora> i checked on three different machines and the "main user" always had some. additional users that do not log in regularly / dont use open office do not have these files.
[15:34] <bdmurray> vish: they all are active
[15:35] <vish> bdmurray: ooh , how do you have 2 @ubuntu addy? :)
[15:35] <nailora> moving the config dir away and starting open office does not recreate them.
[15:35] <nailora> but nonetheless they exist on three independent machines
[15:35]  * vish got only 1 :(
[15:35] <vish> ;p
[15:49] <nigelb> bdmurray: hey, is the graph up?
[15:55] <bdmurray> nigelb: not yet but the number is being recorded
[16:00] <nigelb> bdmurray: great, thanks :)
[16:01] <nigelb> !mentors
[16:01] <ubot2> Factoid 'mentors' not found
[16:01] <nigelb> gah, not yet synced
[16:20] <vish> !mentor
[16:20] <ubot2> Looking for a helping hand with bug triage? Read the wiki for information about requesting a bugsquad mentor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[16:20] <vish> nigelb: ^ ;)
[16:21] <vish> no "s" :)
[16:44] <nigelb> vish: \o/
[17:09] <nigelb> micahg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Factoids
[17:13] <micahg> nigelb: nice, now we just need it linked from somewhere useful
[17:13] <nigelb> I'll link it from knowledge base
[17:59] <Saby> nigelb: Hey, I'm Jasneet, just received your male for the bug triaging mentor program
[17:59] <Saby> *mail
[18:00] <nigelb> Saby: ah, hello
[18:01] <Saby> how are you?
[18:01] <nigelb> good, and I hope you're good too
[18:01] <nigelb> so you can take a poke at triaging
[18:01] <nigelb> please ask me if you're confused and need help
[18:02] <Saby> well i currently dont have ubuntu as i have sent my laptop for replacement, i'm downloading the 32 bit version of 10.04 and will be using it on vmware till the time my laptop comes back where ubuntu will be installed in dual boot mode
[18:03] <nigelb> ok, no problem :)
[18:04] <nigelb> Saby: my IRC is connected almost all the time.  If I'm not around, I'm probably away, but I will respond when I'm back
[18:05] <Saby> alright :)
[18:06] <nigelb> Also, feel free to ask generally too, lots of helpful folks around here :)
[18:06] <Saby> sure :)
[19:08] <bcurtiswx3> vish: good work with the mentor stuff :D
[19:08] <vish> thanks :)
[19:09]  * vish was a bit sad i hadnt assigned any students to qense :s
[19:09] <vish> but yay , just now one students applied :D
[19:09] <vish> student*
[19:10] <bcurtiswx3> do they fit qense's time zone?
[19:10] <vish> yup :)
[19:11] <nigelb> bcurtiswx3: got my mail?
[19:25] <bcurtiswx3> nigelb: yes, I will look at it more later today most likely. Thanks :)
[19:53] <penguin42> oh grrrr - launchpad just got an internal error and lost my bug data
[20:32] <yofel> meh, I wished there was a queue for the apport retracer displayed somewhere, filed a crash 2 days ago and still not retraced :(
[20:34] <BUGabundo> eh
[20:34] <BUGabundo> wouldn't that be a breach in security?
[20:35] <yofel> well, the bug is private, nothing more I can do about it
[20:35] <yofel> but the retrace taking longer than a day is broken behaviour IMO anyway -.-
[20:36] <yofel> bug 592824 btw. "qtcreator.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in QBasicAtomicInt::ref()"
[20:36] <ubot2> yofel: Bug 592824 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/592824 is private
[20:37] <yofel> qtcreator crashes on launch here
[21:42] <kees> yofel: is the retracer subscribed to that bug?  I can't see it (and I'm in the retracer group)
[21:42] <yofel> https://edge.launchpad.net/~apport is subscribed to the bug


[05:18] <mlankhorst> morning
[05:37] <RAOF> Morning mlankhorst!
[05:39] <mlankhorst> RAOF: seems I get to debug firmware:x
[05:39] <RAOF> Woot! What could be more enjoyable!
[05:39] <mlankhorst> a lot of things
[05:39] <mlankhorst> :P
[12:58] <mlankhorst> RAOF: I can has tiling now :D
[13:14] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF, bryceh: Do you guys have any automatic builds of the latest mesa git?
[13:17] <tjaalton> Prf_Jakob: there's xorg-edgers, but I doubt it's tracking master atm
[13:17] <tjaalton> hmm looks like it is
[13:17] <tjaalton> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[13:18] <tjaalton> ah, didn't build
[13:20] <tjaalton> ../../../../../src/mesa/libdricore/../main/api_arrayelt.c:45:27: fatal error: main/dispatch.h: No such file or directory
[13:20] <tjaalton> compilation terminated
[13:21] <Prf_Jakob> Hmm
[13:21] <tjaalton> it's not fully automated, mesa has been a special case for edgers aiui
[13:22] <Prf_Jakob> Ok
[13:22] <tjaalton> too fragile i guess :)
[13:22] <Prf_Jakob> Heh
[13:22] <jcristau> are you calling mesa's build system crazy?
[13:22] <Prf_Jakob> Never!
[13:22] <Prf_Jakob> jcristau: the problems only happens because people are poking at it.