[09:14] <foobarry> !ping
[09:14] <foobarry> phew
[09:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:19] <popey> Morning
[09:22] <bashrc> morning
[09:25] <MooDoo> rats my storage box has broken :(
[09:28] <davmor2> MooDoo: you weren't using centos were you?
[09:33] <foobarry> ikea?
[09:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: no the machine that's bust is using windows 7, so I've just purchased 2 new WD red drives for an ubuntu storage server
[09:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: there's your problem right there damn it ;)
[09:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's only just started with the dreaded bsod, but it's my main storage server, the drives get delivered tomorrow so I should be ok by the end of the day
[09:45] <davmor2> MooDoo: why for something so important would you not use the more reliable system there?
[09:45] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's something that was setup years ago and i've never been bothered to change it, as it was working fine up until now.
[09:46] <davmor2> MooDoo: fair enough
[09:46] <MooDoo> davmor2: it'll be an ubuntu box by the evd of tomorrow :D
[09:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:47] <davmor2> MooDoo: \o/
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Strawberry Day! :-D
[09:53] <MooDoo> howdy JamesTait
[09:56] <popey> mmmm strawberry
[10:05] <foobarry> firefox on android has adblock
[10:05] <foobarry> this is good news
[10:06] <NET||abuse> yay, ubuntu...
[10:06] <NET||abuse> not sure why, just had to be said... Getting the xps13 today.... hope it works
[10:09] <popey> oooh
[10:09] <popey> the new new new one?
[10:12] <davmor2> NET||abuse: why wouldn't it work
[10:12] <foobarry> i'm trying to use putty on a windows VM that doesn't have persistent storage (although i have a network drive).
[10:13] <foobarry> is there a portable putty that will store my sessions?
[10:13] <NET||abuse> popey: yeh, got the one with the intel chipset and the i7 5600
[10:13] <popey> sweet!
[10:13] <NET||abuse> rather than the fake pcie sata
[10:14] <NET||abuse> so 256G ssd rather than 512, but i reakon driver support will be btter for the wifi
[10:14] <NET||abuse> or, sorry,, was it 5500U and 5600U
[10:14] <NET||abuse> or some other number, can't remember now
[10:15] <NET||abuse> I was right, i7-5600U,,,
[10:15] <popey> heh
[10:16] <popey> numbers are hard
[10:16] <popey> lets go shopping!
[10:16] <NET||abuse> davmor2: there's been a few reports of audio issues, and not sure about touchpad
[10:16] <NET||abuse> otherwise, the dw wifi i'm not sure what kind of drivers are available, so i opted for intel wifi cihp
[10:16] <NET||abuse> 7265, as the 7260 works reasonably well on my xps15
[10:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: I can see you celebrating by play with these http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5309/5616987891_b33d978b6f.jpg
[10:17] <JamesTait> Busted!
[10:17] <NET||abuse> "numbers are hard" "lets go shopping" ? Where these two messages related?
[10:17] <NET||abuse> popey: ^^
[10:18] <popey> :)
[10:18] <NET||abuse> hehe :)
[10:18] <NET||abuse> £100, £1000, they're nearly the same
[10:19] <NET||abuse> this year has been such a revamp of my home tech setup,, finally after 10 years I bought a tv for the first time.
[10:19] <NET||abuse> 40" samsung 4k
[10:19] <NET||abuse> resetup my n40L with 24TB of disks
[10:20] <NET||abuse> got a pi b+ and the odroid-c1 and a new tplink wifi router. so everything just got upgraded
[10:20] <NET||abuse> feeling like I my geekyness is finally reflected in my home, at least my living room
[10:21] <popey> :)
[10:22] <NET||abuse> right, onward,
[10:22] <NET||abuse> need to draw up a decent network diagram, looking at Dia, the stencils dont look quite good enough
[10:22] <NET||abuse> anyone else have a goto when they need to produce a decent looking network diagram?
[10:22] <foobarry> NET||abuse: use pencil
[10:23] <foobarry> simple but really nice to use and multi platform
[10:23] <NET||abuse> yeh, i've looked at that before..
[10:23] <NET||abuse> i'll give it another look so.
[10:24] <NET||abuse> download the deb file? or use a browser plugin?
[10:24] <foobarry> i use the standalone version
[10:25] <foobarry> i have 2.0.3 version on here
[10:25] <foobarry> had it already open
[10:25] <NET||abuse> 2.0.5 deb file is available
[10:25] <foobarry> i have 12.04LTS on here, might be relevant
[10:25] <popey> NET||abuse: http://asciiflow.com/
[10:26] <NET||abuse> huh... what's that app?
[10:26] <NET||abuse> hahaha, love it
[10:26] <popey> :)
[10:26] <NET||abuse> ascii art diagram tool
[10:26] <popey> ya
[10:26] <NET||abuse> brilliant
[10:27] <NET||abuse> for now i need a real drawing tool, but i'm coming back to asciiflow for smaller diagrams later
[10:28] <NET||abuse> that'll be fun.
[10:29] <NET||abuse> hmm, need a network/servers template set for pencil.
[10:30] <awilkins> And gdrive support
[10:30] <awilkins> Oh neato
[10:30] <awilkins> To that ASCII thing
[10:30] <NET||abuse> yeh, saw that.
[10:31] <awilkins> I love that the text tool... just inserts text
[10:32] <awilkins> Some tools for doing git revision graphs would be awesome
[10:34] <awilkins> DAmmit, my dah is doing that thing where it just flicks up and then closes
[10:35] <awilkins> *dash
[10:35] <awilkins> Hmm, heap big compiz update queued
[10:35]  * awilkins installs
[10:40] <knightwise> hmmm... thinking about ofshoring some tasks I have running on a local VM to my raspberry pi.  Cuz not everything is supperted yet
[10:49] <NET||abuse> i'll have to take photo's of it beside the behemoth xps15
[10:49] <NET||abuse> knightwise: i know, but yes, i am
[10:50] <knightwise> NET||abuse: I would love to know what you can get working on it and what not. I'm waiting to get one untill the ubuntu support is complete
[10:50] <knightwise> I need it for my company (freelance IT consultant)
[10:51] <NET||abuse> i'm a devops contractor, so that's my exuse, bought it through my own company
[10:51] <knightwise> Are ya gonna dual boot it ?
[10:51] <NET||abuse> hmm, dont think so
[10:52] <NET||abuse> I really dont have any desire to have windows at all
[10:52] <NET||abuse> and with 256G drive, i'm not willing to spare the space
[10:52] <NET||abuse> has anyone asked for a windows licence refund from dell lately?
[10:52] <NET||abuse> i'm thinking i'm just gonna do that now
[10:53] <knightwise> So far everything works out of the box for buntu except the soundcard i believe ?
[10:53] <NET||abuse> yeh, that's what i've heard also
[10:53] <NET||abuse> the broadcom wifi model is a little work to get working, but i did intel wifi so i should be out of the box
[10:54] <knightwise> can you choose that when you order ?
[10:54] <NET||abuse> the offer is funny, you get the intel wifi and the i7-5600U but only a 256GB ssd
[10:54] <NET||abuse> if you want the 512GB fake pcie (mobility) you have to choose the i7-5500 and the DW broadcom wifi
[10:55]  * knightwise will have to watch that when I order
[10:55] <NET||abuse> there's four variants of the xps13
[10:55] <knightwise> to tie me over untill the XPS was fully supported I installed Ubuntu on my old Surface pro 1 . Also pretty nifty high dev screen and an 11 inch form factor
[10:55] <NET||abuse> one with i5 and 1080(FHD) screen, then 3 with 4k, then they vary with processor, wifi and ssd
[10:56] <NET||abuse> so i went with linux support wifi rather than ssd side
[10:56] <NET||abuse> size
[10:56] <NET||abuse> also, slightly faster version of the processor ;)
[10:56] <knightwise> so you got the one with the UHD screen ?
[10:56] <NET||abuse> yeh
[10:56] <NET||abuse> so both my laptops are UHD
[11:00] <NET||abuse> ooh, xps13 channel here on freenode
[11:28] <intrbiz> I have a previous gen XPS 13, if it came with an Intel WiFI card, I'd recommend buying an atheros of ebay (around £5) and swapping it
[11:49] <NET||abuse> intrbiz: really?
[11:49] <NET||abuse> i'm supprised by that.
[11:49] <NET||abuse> I thought intel were pretty good with driver support? Is it more just signal quality?
[11:50] <NET||abuse> I've had pretty shakey performance on the wifi other than my home network on the xps15, 7260 intel wifi
[11:50] <NET||abuse> so this xps has the 7265 intel wifi, i presume I iwll have similar experience.
[11:51] <knightwise> NET||abuse: when are you going to do the install ?
[11:54] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001CXX5I8 is in my basket
[11:54] <popey> been told it works well
[11:54] <davmor2> intrbiz: there was a big kernel patch for intel wifi the issue is resolve in vivid or utopic iirc
[11:55] <intrbiz> davmor2: no amount of kernel patches can correct the awfulness which is the Intel WiFi hardware
[11:55] <popey> meh
[11:55] <popey> its their driver that sucks
[11:55] <popey> same for the gpu
[11:56] <popey> feels like Intel dropped the linux driver ball about 18 months ago.
[11:56] <intrbiz> Intel seriously make the worst WiFi cards around, coupled with buggy firmware, buggy drivers and a dev team who don't really care
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> does their hardware suck under windows?
[11:56] <intrbiz> zmoylan-pi: yes
[11:56] <intrbiz> their windows WiFi drivers are just a bad
[11:56] <zmoylan-pi> it can be hard to tell with higher level of background suckiness :-)
[11:56] <intrbiz> I used to get firmware crashes, which required a reboot, it was a well reported issue to dell
[12:03] <NET||abuse> aparently i'm going to need an external sound device for the time being with this laptop
[12:05] <diplo> Any apple users in here ? A friend has a 13" Macbook laptop
[12:06] <moreati> diplo: yes
[12:06] <diplo> Doesn't seem to have any DVI/HDMI ports... how do you connect to external monitors ?
[12:06] <diplo> Never used an Apple laptop bnefore
[12:06] <zmoylan-pi> there's probably an expensive addon to add that ability
[12:07] <diplo> I was guessing that
[12:07] <moreati> diplo: the laptop has either a mini-dvi, or mini-displayport socket. depending on it's age
[12:07] <diplo> 2008~ I believe
[12:07] <diplo> OK, I'll see how bad they are
[12:07] <moreati> an a mini-dp -> vga is about £20 from Apple or £10 for a third-party one
[12:07] <diplo> Thinking of going down the Chromecast route instead, she watches Hulu in the states alot and wants to watch stuff whilst she's here through a VPN onto her telly
[12:08] <diplo> Wondering whether she can start on the macbook and send to Chromecast via the vpn... not sure how it works :)
[12:08] <moreati> if all you need is streaming video, the chromecast is my recommendation
[12:08] <popey> diplo: not easily
[12:08] <moreati> chromecast has to be on the same wifi lan
[12:10] <diplo> Maybe just easier to carry on paying for the subscription and I aquire her the episode and setup a RaspPI media centre :)
[12:10] <moreati> 2008  macbooks were mini-dvi http://support.apple.com/kb/SP5 a suitable adaptor would be http://www.amazon.co.uk/Converter-Adapter-Cable-Apple-Macbook/dp/B00ABBO6O4
[12:10] <NET||abuse> knightwise: i've just done the 14.10 installation on the xps13
[12:10] <moreati> or http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mini-DVI-female-Adapter-Cable-Apple/dp/B001PVUIL4
[12:10] <knightwise> NET||abuse: :) What is the verdict
[12:11] <NET||abuse> installer worked without any isuses,
[12:11] <NET||abuse> mouse works, keyboard works, 4k resolution, even touch screen draging windows works
[12:11] <NET||abuse> audio,, probably not, but i'll try anyway.
[12:11] <NET||abuse> wifi works
[12:12] <NET||abuse> infact, seemed to get on the wifi in this office far more easily than the xps15 finds it every day (several minutes worth of fussing to get that online int he mornings)
[12:13] <knightwise> ok , so audio , touchpad and special keys
[12:14] <NET||abuse> ok, touchpad seems a little funny, two finger touch seems to work, i can scroll, but i seem to have to tap with two fingers again to unlock the mouse again
[12:14] <NET||abuse> that's not too bad, maybe thats an ubuntu unity feature?
[12:15] <NET||abuse> no, it's a little bit funny, occasionally working and not
[12:15] <NET||abuse> but overall, workable.
[12:15] <NET||abuse> right, audio..
[12:16] <NET||abuse> no, no device appears anywhere on the audio properties.
[12:17] <knightwise> hmmm bummer
[12:17] <NET||abuse> hmm, touch pad is a little funy, alt + double tap to drag a window,, semms to be a bit sticky, have to doubletap again to release the window
[12:17] <NET||abuse> but that's ok.
[12:18] <NET||abuse> the no audio is completely a known issue.
[12:18] <NET||abuse> now, special keys...
[12:19] <NET||abuse> display brightness up and down, wifi on off work
[12:20] <NET||abuse> will be hard to test audio and media play fassforward/back untill i have audio working
[12:20] <NET||abuse> .. next.. sleep/suspend/resune
[12:20] <knightwise> NET||abuse: thats the only think I havent gotten to work on my Surface pro 1
[12:21] <NET||abuse> yep, wosk
[12:21] <NET||abuse> works
[12:21] <NET||abuse> sleep on lid close and resume all worked.
[12:21] <diplo> thanks moreati and popey
[12:22] <knightwise> awesome
[12:22] <knightwise> that wsa the only thing that I cant get working on the surface 1
[12:33] <NET||abuse> i'm somewhat impressed by the wifi on this xps13,, it jioned this network very easily.
[12:33] <NET||abuse> far easier than the 7260 chip, not sure why.
[12:34] <knightwise> I have one of these marvel chips in this surface pro
[12:34] <knightwise> very unreliable
[12:37] <intrbiz> NET||abuse: what WiFi chip is in your XPS13?
[12:52] <intrbiz> bigcalm: ticket for RAT obtained
[12:55] <bigcalm> intrbiz: good show :)
[12:56] <bigcalm> intrbiz: so you've added a comment to the event page too? ;)
[12:59] <intrbiz> bigcalm: I'ved attempted to, but having registered for an Ubuntu One account, I get a login failure when trying to login to Loco :(
[12:59] <popey> yay!
[12:59] <intrbiz> 'An attribute required for logging in was not returned (nickname).'
[13:00] <bigcalm> davmor2: I blame you
[13:01] <davmor2> meh
[13:01] <davmor2> I don't test u1 blame popey
[13:14] <dutchie> hmm, might try ubuntu on my n7 after seeing that "Convergence in action" video
[13:14] <dutchie> since i barely use the thing
[13:17] <ujjain> Anybody hear familiar with London Theater? I'd like to know which would be best for somebody with mediocre to poor English understanding, Les Miserables, Lion King, Phantom of the Opera
[13:20] <NET||abuse> intrbiz: the xps13 i have uses the intel 7265 wifi chip
[13:26] <popey> dutchie: needs to be nexus 7 2013
[13:27] <dutchie> i think mine is
[13:27] <popey> ujjain: phantom is good.
[13:27] <popey> I saw it in New York. More singing than speech.
[13:27] <ujjain> even with limited english knowledge? my friend is from Mexico
[13:27] <popey> yeah
[13:27] <ujjain> ahh, that should be good then
[13:27] <ujjain> ah cool
[13:27] <popey> its a well known enough story too
[13:27] <popey> good production.
[13:28] <popey> get a programme :)
[13:28] <dutchie> oh it is. thought they had released a version after it
[13:28] <ujjain> get a programme?
[13:28] <popey> ujjain: printed material at the theatre
[13:28] <ujjain> like a programme to spend the day? restaurant, theater, etc?
[13:28] <ujjain> ahhh, right :P
[13:28] <popey> :)
[13:28] <popey> your friend's first time in London?
[13:28] <ujjain> thanks, I should yaeh
[13:28] <ujjain> 2nd time
[13:29] <popey> be a nice thing to take away
[13:29] <ujjain> I don't know what that means either :(
[13:29] <ujjain> ahhh
[13:29] <ujjain> the flyer would be nice to bring back home?
[13:30] <ujjain> I feel my IQ has gone down from doing a year nothin gat work, I changed jobs 3 weeks ago, so I have to learn to use my brain again
[13:31] <ujjain> do you want to see a lion watching lion king? http://i.imgur.com/MMx4eIA.gif #2 /r/funny :P
[13:32] <popey> yes.
[13:32] <popey> sorry, I'll use more words next time.
[13:32] <NET||abuse> xps13 setup and working...... audio and all
[13:32] <ujjain> no worries, appreciate your help always :)
[13:33] <NET||abuse> now, time for LUNCH, then have to work out a sync setup to keep the two laptops fairly interchangable for my user.
[13:33] <NET||abuse> I have the n40L at home to relay my syncing through, so just need to setup a configuration I can use on both laptops.
[13:33] <NET||abuse> but for now... LUNCH
[13:44] <popey> NET||abuse: syncthing
[14:16] <marxjohnson> Just discovered through reddit that the german title of Airplane! translates as "The unbelievable journey of a crazy airplane". I expect popey will appreciate that.
[14:17] <popey> I love that film
[14:18] <marxjohnson> I have a t-shirt with the logo of the company Sirus on the front, whenever I read it I think, "I am Sirius, and dont call me Shirley"
[14:18] <marxjohnson> s/Sirus/Sirius
[14:18] <popey> The cockpit!? What is it!?
[14:18] <popey> etc
[14:19] <popey> "No, the white phone!"
[14:19] <marxjohnson> White phone? I dont remember that bit somehow
[14:20] <NET||abuse> backup challenges,,, want to sync to my home server and back down to second laptop, but need to be able to hit the internal ip when at home and the no-ip.org hostname when out and about.
[14:21] <marxjohnson> I
[14:22] <popey> the courtesy phone
[14:22] <NET||abuse> popey: i don' think i can use syncthing as the government office here wont like me using torrent on their network
[14:22] <popey> its not torrent
[14:22] <marxjohnson> syncthing isnt torrent
[14:22] <NET||abuse> ohhh
[14:22] <NET||abuse> didn't realize
[14:22] <popey> no more or less than dropbox is torrent
[14:23] <marxjohnson> I do something similar with btsync, I just have everything pointed to the dynamic dns hostname, but have an internal dns server that points it to the local IP instead of the public one
[14:23] <marxjohnson> I think I'm using dnsmasq
[14:24] <NET||abuse> marxjohnson: yeh, splithorizon
[14:24] <marxjohnson> sorry, syncthing not btsync
[14:24] <diplo> Syncthing +1 here as well
[14:26] <bashrc> Owncloud?
[14:27] <diplo> I keep wanting to try owncloud again, but see quite a few everything got deleted/mangled posts :/
[14:28] <marxjohnson> My experience of owncloud sync hasn't been good. Not used it for several versions but heard similar stories to mine about newer versions
[14:28] <shauno> I had no problems with the web side of it, and no sync with the problem side of it.
[14:29] <diplo> I'd like to move from Google Contacts/Calendar to a personal one, so that's the reason I was going to give it a go again
[14:29] <marxjohnson> yeah, contacts/calendr workds like a charm
[14:29] <marxjohnson> and the web interface does too, so I just sync stuff to it with syncthing
[14:30] <diplo> I like that idea actually, sync to owncloud with syncthing :)
[14:31] <marxjohnson> you've just got to get the file permissions right so that synced stuff is readble by owncloud, and stuff uploaded/created by owncloud is syncable
[15:17] <knightwise> anyone have any experience running Owncloud on a raspberrypi ?
[15:18] <diplo> http://www.pestmeester.nl did a good tutorial on it :)
[15:22] <diddledan> knightwise, need lots of usb discs for that :-p
[15:23] <diddledan> I don't suppose there's much difference in cpu grunt between a pi and low-end NASes tho
[15:23] <diddledan> pi2 might even be more grunt that mid-range nases
[15:24] <knightwise> thinking about moving off some of my virtual machines to Raspberry pies
[15:25] <diddledan> aye, I like the idea of pi-based systems instead of VMs
[15:25] <shauno> not sure I do.  you need to seriously overcomit VMs before they have IO anywhere near as bad as the Pis
[15:26] <ali1234> the pi is a media soc, not a server
[15:27] <shauno> right.  that cpu was pretty much designed to pick up a file and shove it into videocore
[15:28] <knightwise> true. Do you guys now another light http file-download interface ?
[15:28] <knightwise> like an http frontend to ftp ?
[15:29] <shauno> like the directory-index stuff that's built into apache?
[15:29] <ali1234> lighttpd with autoindexes?
[15:32] <knightwise> something like that ,
[15:32] <knightwise> soimething simple for my clients to pickup files and upload them
[16:12] <diplo> Use something like this knightwise  https://blueimp.github.io/jQuery-File-Upload/ ??
[16:50] <NET||abuse> hey folks,,, what's anyone opinion on the web upd8 repos'? I tried them once before, a year or two ago, and i remember it caused some dependancy hell issues.
[16:50] <NET||abuse> But today, i was trying to use mpv to stream a youtube video, but it said youtube-dl wasn't new enough
[16:50] <NET||abuse> the only place i've found a youtube-dl update is web upd8, so i'm not happy about that.
[16:50] <popey> I'd get youtube-dl from upstream
[16:50] <popey> and stick it in ~/bin
[16:51] <popey> then update it separately
[16:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> NET||abuse, if you're trying to stream videos why don't you use VLC? just out of intrest, and I do love youtube-dl x3
[16:58] <NET||abuse> ChloeWolfieGirl: i tried vlc, but the video came out with all green pixel snow
[16:58] <NET||abuse> not sure if it was just that one video or not, i'm going to try both on that same video now in a sec
[17:24] <davmor2> NET||abuse, popey: I just use mpv from the archives and it installs youtube-dl with it
[17:50] <Seeker`> Leonard Nimoy died :(
[17:51]  * zmoylan-pi copies trek movies to tablet to watch...
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> even st:v
[17:53] <awilkins_> \\// live long and prosper
[17:54] <davmor2> :'(
[17:54] <diddledan> :-(
[17:55]  * zmoylan-pi treasures my burger king promo for the star trek movie of speaking elder spock who says live long and prosper even more now
[18:03]  * zmoylan-pi puts on amazing grace played on bagpipes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO5y2O_hv3I
[18:06] <diddledan> that's a good rendition
[18:07] <zmoylan-pi> good bagpipers can belt out any tune
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> once for a scotland-ireland game a bagpiper set up on a traffic island in centre of dublin.  surrounded by rush hour traffic he could be heard over crowds and traffic.  bloody impressive
[18:12] <DJones> My favourite version of Amazing is a commercial release wby Andre Rieu, it has to be done with bagpipes
[18:13] <DJones> s/Amazing/Amazing Grace/
[18:14]  * zmoylan-pi digs up amazing grace by andre rieu for a listen... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GD-5mRyaJw
[18:16]  * zmoylan-pi hopes the video is more than just the opening tune...
[18:16]  * DJones bans zmoylan-pi for posting links to copyrighted material
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> oops... sorry...
[18:16] <DJones> Anyway, that perofrmance sends shivers down my spine
[18:19] <diddledan> 2 minutes in and he hasn't started playing yet
[18:19] <zmoylan-pi> paddies day coming up, i might have a wander to city centre for the parade, lots of bag pipers there...
[18:20] <DJones> diddledan: 2 seconds in from that link it starts playing
[18:20] <diddledan> it does, he doesn't
[18:20] <DJones> diddledan: Exactly
[18:20] <DJones> How many conductors play over the music of their choir/muscians
[18:21] <diddledan> he's not a conductor, he's a violineriser
[18:21] <DJones> Maybe, but for the performances, he's conductor
[18:22] <diddledan> about half-way through he starts playing
[18:22] <DJones> Sounds about right
[18:24] <DJones> At the end of the day, he#s a performer, he has has his own orchestra behind him for his shows
[18:34]  * diddledan pushes final commit of the day
[18:34] <diddledan> now to wait for jenkins to build and deploy to dev
[18:54] <diddledan> geoip sucks
[18:55] <diddledan> I'm not in britain according to the national lottery, but http://www.geoip.co.uk/ipwhois.php?ip=<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:57] <shauno> I keep breaking it with v6
[18:58] <shauno> facebook keeps giving me ads for Fremont, California
[18:58] <diddledan> I haven't got v6 enabled atm
[18:58] <shauno> (I imagine that's more the he.net tunnel than v6, but still - my endpoint is in london)
[18:59] <diddledan> yeah, he.net don't care about localising their v6 tunnels
[18:59] <diddledan> they've just got a block of american v6 IPs and because they're backbone providers they don't need to reassign them at all
[19:00] <diddledan> thing is the point of IP routing is that it's entirely non-geographic
[19:01] <diddledan> so assigning geographic to an IP is backasswards to begin with
[19:04] <zmoylan-pi> unless the lawyers for sony or their ilk say it isn't
[19:12] <daftykins> tum te tum
[19:13] <popey> *belch*
[19:13] <popey> pizza & pepsi \o/
[19:13] <daftykins> ooh err, where from?
[19:16] <zmoylan-pi> a bottle which is a weird place to find a pizza
[19:16]  * dutchie waits for nexus 7 to charge sufficiently to be ubuntufied
[19:20] <popey> Dominos
[19:20] <daftykins> we of course have no such chains :)
[19:21] <popey> shame
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure you have some terrible chain that fills that ecological niche...
[19:21] <daftykins> only recently so i hear, there's some place doing delivery pizza which is meant to be quite impressive
[19:21] <daftykins> but growing up delivery pizza was definitely non-existant
[19:22] <zmoylan-pi> a company i worked for wrote software for a pizza chain here in ireland.  apache pizza, you've dealt with the cowboys...
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> we did once get a support call where a new staff member rang technical support as he couldn't find the cheese...  an actual out of cheese error :-)
[19:23] <daftykins> O_O
[19:24] <zmoylan-pi> and when sick pcs came back in they usually smelt of bread from the flour on the hot chips
[19:24] <shauno> dominos is amazing.  which is to say, mediocre (here at least), but I can order on teh internuts without trying to spell my address to someone else who can't pronounce it either ..
[19:25] <shauno> (which isn't to criticize them - I can't pronounce it in the first place, so trying to read it to another immigrant is hilarious, but fruitless)
[19:26] <zmoylan-pi> yes, reading irish names to non irish people can be confusing... no really the f is actually spelt ph... :-)
[19:26] <shauno> right. so imagine non-irish people reading irish names to non-irish people ;)
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> when i bought an iphone in 2008 it was quicker for me to type my info into the computer than allow the poor eastern european behind counter try and work out where all the letters and fadas went
[19:28] <daftykins> :>
[19:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's kinda like listening to the bbc read irish placenames.  much mangling is involved.
[19:28] <daftykins> yeah the phonimes just don't translate into characters for me
[19:29] <daftykins> i was visiting my friend in Limerick when she was like 'go to this etailers website to find a graphics card' but i just couldn't understand what she was saying XD
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> a german friends girlfriend though took it to a new level when she had to stop pronouncing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macgillycuddy%27s_Reeks half way through the word as she got lost
[19:30] <shauno> I just say what I see, catchphrase-style.  the results are usually hilarious, but sometimes embarassing  (like when I discovered aoife doesn't rhyme with oik)
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> and she was trying to tell friends at a party to go there so she'd poke me all through the party to say the word for her
[19:30] <zmoylan-pi> eee-fa simple, isn't it? :-)
[19:31] <zmoylan-pi> it's because irish was a written language before english existed and some of the letters around now were non existant too :-)
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> so we made it up as we went along.  mind we did invent the space.  so you're welcome :-)
[19:32] <diddledan> shauno, aoife is actually one I think I can pronounce
[19:32] <diddledan> I say it "eefer"
[19:32] <zmoylan-pi> of course then there are americans with irish names that have been mangled by living outside ireland
[19:32] <diddledan> with a soft r
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> well i'm a dub so skip the r :-)
[19:33] <shauno> I genuinely had no idea :(
[19:33] <diddledan> lol
[19:33] <diddledan> niamh I know, too
[19:33] <zmoylan-pi> knee-ve
[19:33] <diddledan> but there's a dude somewhere I came across with o'coimh (I think I spelt that right)
[19:33] <shauno> another was eoin, which I read as 'ian'.  so when our new boss was introduced as Owen, I couldn't figure out who this Ian sending us emails was
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> it's obvious really :-P
[19:34] <daftykins> XD
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> o'coimh oh-keeve
[19:34] <daftykins> well, forget all that lot immediately ^ let alone giving it a go in a loud pub :P
[19:34] <zmoylan-pi> there's about 40-50 little rules with irish words, placenames you get beaten into you at school
[19:34] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, that was my guess only with more of an F than a V
[19:35] <shauno> the last street I lived on didn't even have the same spelling on every streetsign :(
[19:35] <diddledan> shauno, welsh does that, too
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> well welsh is just weird :-)
[19:35] <shauno> that's why it's impossible to fire a postie.  if they don't give their notes to the next guy, the whole game is over
[19:36] <zmoylan-pi> completely unrelated to scots/irish
[19:37] <diddledan> of course the word "gaelic" sounds perverted
[19:40] <daftykins> now you've gone and done it, dan!
[19:40]  * zmoylan-pi points to a number of bars diddledan should try that joke in... :-P
[19:40] <diddledan> lol
[19:40] <daftykins> :D
[19:42] <zmoylan-pi> they'd probably have you wait outside for a minute till someone can download an mp3 of a record needle been dragged of a record when you entered... :-D
[21:22] <diddledan> lol @ slack's mac app changelog: "Fixed: Doing a quick Look in the file upload dialog would sometimes hide the file picker when the quick look closed.
[21:44] <dutchie> 2015/02/27 21:43:42 Flashing version 1 from devel channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device flo
[21:46] <Azelphur> Has anyone got Linux on Android working with Android 5?
[21:46] <Azelphur> I'm getting lots of errors about libsigchain.so and it is generally broken (X doesn't start, it asks for a password then says authentication failure)
[21:52] <diddledan> o_O
[21:53] <diddledan> yey, payday pizza is out for delivery
[21:53] <Azelphur> diddledan: did you see my shenanigans with graphics cards and ovens?
[21:53] <diddledan> I saw something, not sure I understood
[21:54] <diddledan> I believe it was mention that something with an oven worked but I didn't really grok what happened
[21:55] <diddledan> was it dry solder-joints?
[21:55] <Azelphur> diddledan: my graphics card was broken so I baked it in the oven at 196C for 8 minutes
[21:55] <Azelphur> may well have been
[21:55] <diddledan> that would explain why baking it worked but I may be off-base
[21:56] <Azelphur> yea
[21:56] <diddledan> either that or you frightened it into compliance
[21:56] <mapp> hi all
[21:56] <diddledan> allo mapp
[21:56] <Azelphur> I'm gonna go with the latter because it's cooler
[21:57] <diddledan> "every time you stop doing as you're told, I'm going to put you in the 'oven' to correct your ways!"
[21:57] <diddledan> s/to/till you/
[21:57] <diddledan> that works better
[21:57] <Azelphur> exactly.
[21:58] <diddledan> the corrollary is putting a hard disc into the freezer
[22:00] <daftykins> there were a lot of nvidia model laptops and cards that went funky with the BGA bonds to the board, yeah
[22:00] <daftykins> a wee oven cooking gives them the chance to slightly reattach enough
[22:01] <diddledan> one of the playstations had bga joints badly soldered, too, to the point that there were vans full of geeky-thugs going round the neighbourhoods fleecing unsuspecting teenagers and fixing their playstations
[22:01] <daftykins> O_O
[22:02] <daftykins> they just knocked on doors to find victims?
[22:02] <diddledan> they basically decked out the van with a bga jig which reseated it
[22:02] <diddledan> I'm not sure how they rounded-up their clients
[22:03] <zmoylan-pi> flyers in local video game stores?
[22:03] <diddledan> maybe
[22:03] <Azelphur> gonna try MultiROM Ubuntu touch, I wonder how well Ubuntu touch fares as a "Desktop" OS
[22:03] <Azelphur> I want a Desktop OS on my N7 :P
[22:03] <diddledan> Azelphur, which model?
[22:03] <diddledan> 2012 or 13?
[22:04] <daftykins> well, i slightly admire you always having some scheme cooking, Azelphur ;)
[22:04] <Azelphur> diddledan: 13
[22:04] <Azelphur> daftykins: thanks :P
[22:04] <diddledan> mine's the first gen :-(
[22:05] <daftykins> i seem to have made a pile o' tech on the corner of my desk 0o
[22:06] <daftykins> 2007 macbook white, some old AMD dual core HP laptop, an HP touchpad tablet, an iPad and my ancient Sony ultraportable from before netbooks appeared
[22:06] <Azelphur> diddledan: I had a first gen, found a real cheap deal on 2nd gens though so bought one and gave the first gen to my mum
[22:06] <Azelphur> diddledan: don't suppose you happen to want a bt keyboard for your first gen btw?
[22:07] <daftykins> has the first gen been abandoned by Google yet? what android did it top out at?
[22:08] <Azelphur> it's still supported
[22:08] <Azelphur> and thus on the latest version of Android
[22:09] <daftykins> ah-har
[23:19] <diddledan> I don't suppose the 2012 model (first gen) will receive any more major releases tho
[23:24] <daftykins> nah, probably like my Nexus 4 now too


[00:44] <Guest20969> Hey!
[00:44] <Guest20969> I have a question about networking using net plan.
[00:44] <Guest20969> Not sure how active this place is?
[00:45] <Guest20969> I have 2 nic devices on one device.
[00:45] <Guest20969> nic1 has ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:45] <Guest20969> nic2 has <IP_ADDRESS>
[00:45] <Guest20969> i want to be able to access <IP_ADDRESS> from nic2
[00:46] <Guest20969> No clue where I need to start with this.


 I got a USB that works with BIOS..
[21:02] <elacheche> Part2: I get an other USB, I have a Ubuntu 16.04 ISO, I use unetbootin to create a bootable USB that works with BIOS.. I got a USB that works with EFI..
[21:03] <elacheche> Part2 was repeated for too many USB keys.. Only my own USB key was the good one that works as I need it in BIOS mode.. WTF!
[21:05] <theShirbiny> unetbootin? use dd :p
[21:13] <elacheche> theShirbiny: same my friend :) same
[21:13] <elacheche> Anyway, too tired, I'll explain the problem in details tomorrow


[03:33] <sargas>  can I resize my ubuntu partition from Windows 7 side?  I want to make a small iso to use on VirtualBox
[03:42] <David-A_> sargas: if you can find a partitioning tool for windows that recognizes ext2/3/4 filesystems (I dont know which do)
[03:43] <David-A_> sargas: you can run a live system with xubuntu or other linux system of a cd/dvd or usb-stick and run gparted from it.
[03:44] <David-A_> sargas: how small a iso? can you copy the system to a iso file without resizing any partition?
[06:37] <filsuck> ola!! hallo!! sup!!?? ... hey guys
[06:37] <filsuck> my xubuntu just cannot run ibus nor scim!!
[06:38] <filsuck> YYYYYYYYY?
[06:38] <filsuck> but .. do you also have the same problem with scim or ibus?
[06:48] <diegoaguilar> Hello, what's average xubuntu's ram load at start?
[06:48] <diegoaguilar> only desktop and of course the daemons
[06:49] <elfy> last time I looked mine was ~320Mb
[06:50] <diegoaguilar> I guess that's pretty acceptable
[06:50] <diegoaguilar> against Ubuntu :P
[06:50] <elfy> works for me ;)
[06:51] <diegoaguilar> yeah ... I wonder if there's any other linux which uses even less
[06:51] <diegoaguilar> and doesnt look shitty
[06:52] <baizon> Lubuntu i think
[06:54] <diegoaguilar> they say it's only 20 mb less
[06:59] <filsuck> oh yeah
[06:59] <filsuck> puppy linux?
[06:59] <filsuck> woof woof!
[07:48] <poeticrpm> diegoaguilar, gentoo, arch, or debian running openbox with xfce4-panel (or lxpanel).  Has anyone had any luck getting compiz to work with xubuntu 14.04 ?
[12:25] <brainwash> beregon: tell us what exactly is not working for you. usually you just run "compiz --replace" and it should work just fine
[12:26] <brainwash> oh, you might need to configure compiz before doing so
[12:27] <brainwash> also, take a look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/499543/trying-to-run-compiz-on-xubuntu-14-04
[18:23] <DomiX> hi, is this okay atm to upgrade to xubuntu 14.10 ? (update-manager -d)
[18:25] <knome> DomiX, upgrading to a development release is never recommended for production machines.
[18:27] <DomiX> even 20days before the release date
[18:27] <DomiX> ?
[18:27] <knome> even 20 days before the release date.
[18:28] <knome> but of course, as always, you are the only one who can really evaluate how sane it is to upgrade
[18:28] <knome> as always, take backups before you do
[18:28] <knome> and if you upgrade to a devleopment release, expect nothing else than breakage (even if that might not happen)
[18:29] <DomiX> last time I upgraded (after the release date) I encountered the sleep mode bug on laptop
[18:30] <knome> sure, bugs after release are possible even after the release date, but much more likely before.
[18:32] <DomiX> you're right, I will wait the release date :p
[19:29] <alket> Is it possible to add events in panel calendar
[19:30] <alan_o> Doesn't appear that way
[19:30] <alan_o> If you want PIM tools, check out the lightning plugin for thunderbird
[19:31] <alket> thanks
[20:01] <livingdaylight> greetings
[20:02] <livingdaylight> do we know whether California 0.2 calendar app works in xfce? or is it gnome3 only?
[20:03] <brainwash> I don't think that "we" know if some random app works in Xfce
[20:03] <brainwash> you have to try it
[20:04] <brainwash> if you encounter any problems with it, we could try to resolve them
[20:10] <knome> or the california developers :)
[20:30] <livingdaylight> !4.10
[20:30] <livingdaylight> !14.10
[21:05] <eviante> Is there an equivalent xubuntu image for ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64+mac.iso ? The regular xubuntu image won't install properly on my Macbook Air
[21:06] <knome> no, xubuntu does not have mac builds
[21:07] <adrenaline_> I installed the regular ubuntu on my mac but then added xfce4 desktop --but I do not have an air. I was curious to know if it worked on an air though
[21:07] <adrenaline_> Sorry I meant mac ubuntu
[21:08] <eviante> knome adrenaline_ : I see. Maybe there's another way around it. I've been installing Ubuntu onto this Macbook with the mac build iso, mainly because I can choose the 'encrypt disk' option on install. The regular builds don't install properly when I choose 'encrypt disk' at installation. I guess the mac builds are doing something different to the boot instructions or something
[21:08] <knome> eviante, that's possible, and probably the reason why there needs to be a special mac build...
[21:09] <knome> eviante, you can always just install the regular ubuntu (with the mac image) and install xubuntu-desktop to get xubuntu on it
[21:09] <eviante> I just tried that before, but it just wasn't the same out of the box experience that xubuntu has
[21:10] <eviante> and it seems to have buggered up Unity as well
[21:10] <knome> it's mostly the same... but sure, it's not exactly the same *experience*, in that you are correct :)
[21:15] <eviante> knome - i'm able to do a dual boot on macbook, like, Mac OS X and Xubuntu, since I can install refind from the Mac partition, but the problem I was able to figure out how to install xubuntu as an encrypted disk/installation from the 'Something else...' dialogue
[21:15] <eviante> if I can figure that out, that would also work.
[21:15] <knome> eviante, you might want to look at the minimal ISO
[21:15] <knome> !mini | eviante
[21:15] <knome> you can select whatever options there, then simply pick xubuntu desktop to be installed
[21:16] <eviante> alright i'l have a go. thank you
[21:16] <knome> np
[21:18] <eviante> is there any advantage of encrypting the whole disk as opposed to just the home folder?
[21:19] <adrenaline_> eviante, I am using refind as well. Just to let you know if mac updates it breaks refind but if you run this command in a term on mac side it will bring refind back up
[21:19] <adrenaline_> sudo bless setBoot folder /efi/refind --file /efi/refind/refind_x64.efi
[21:19] <adrenaline_> FYI
[21:19] <eviante> oh cool. thanks for the heads up adrenaline_
[21:20] <eviante> adrenaline_: would you have any idea how to encrypt the xubuntu disk if i was to dual boot?
[21:20] <adrenaline_> It bit me before so I wanted to get that out
[21:20] <eviante> i have to do it with the 'Something else' dialogue but I dunno how to setup all the partitions
[21:20] <adrenaline_> Sorry know I just needed it fast so I dualbooted with the mac ubuntu added xfce4 desktop and was on my way.
[21:20] <eviante> ah
[21:20] <adrenaline_> s/know/no
[21:21] <knome> eviante, not sure why you'd wanted to encrypt system files (which are obtainable from the repositories as is)
[21:21] <knome> but sure, there are most likely some situations when you might want that
[21:21] <eviante> just for security. in case the laptop is lost or stolen
[21:22] <eviante> i just wasn't sure if many user files, app caches or anything end up outside of the home folder
[21:22] <eviante> cc knome
[22:49] <alket> how to get a feature that gnome2 used to have , to zoom with super key ?
[22:51] <alket> found it
[22:58] <adrenaline_> Nice work alket
[22:59] <alket> xD
[23:18] <pearsonIN> I'm having difficulty installing a xubuntu dual-boot on my Mac. I do a fresh Xubuntu install on a new partition, ext4 / and a 4gb swap space, but then when I go to boot into Xubuntu, ut hands at "Loading initial ramdisk"
[23:18] <pearsonIN> it hangs*
[23:19] <pearsonIN> that is, the mount point of the new ext4 partition is '/'
[23:20] <knome> pearsonIN, xubuntu doesn't have a mac port, so that might be your issue
[23:22] <pearsonIN> knome - ok thanks!
[23:25] <David-A> pearsonIN: did you use the minimal cd to install xubuntu?
[23:35] <knosys> hello guys, do you recommend restricted extras packages? Or getting each thing sepparately when needed?
[23:36] <knome> knosys, i'd just get the whole package.
[23:36] <knosys> i was going to listen to some mp3 and i found out about that package. Still not sure because, in xubuntu official site they recommend some different package for mp3 in gstreamer
[23:36] <knosys> something like "ugly"
[23:36] <knosys> i see , okay thanks
[23:37] <knosys> one question, what if i have previously installed a flash player version for firefox?
[23:37] <knosys> its actually working pretty slow sometimes
[23:38] <knome> knosys, how did you install it?
[23:38] <knosys> i would like to remember... it was 2 days ago .. auch
[23:39] <knosys> im not sure if it were from browser or terminal
[23:39] <knosys> probably terminal
[23:39] <knosys> ill try looking installed packages
[23:39] <knome> was it via the repositories or something else?
[23:39] <knome> if it was from the repository, you are safe to install the extras package
[23:40] <knosys> how to know about that? with dpkg --get-selections , would i be able to check?
[23:40] <knome> if it was in a way or another manually installed, it's possible and even likely that the flash plugins will conflict
[23:41] <knosys> ok this is the name of the package i got installed
[23:41] <knosys> flashplugin-installer
[23:43] <knome> knosys, that sounds right and you should be fine with installing the extras packge.
[23:43] <knosys> ok thanks


[03:57] <slangasek> Unit193: vivid and precise are both EOL, so I didn't bother to remove it from partner for those releases even though the archives are still open for each.  As for still being able to log in, hmm, I only know what willcooke told me as far as the EOLing
[03:59] <Unit193> slangasek: I figured, wasn't sure if missed or not so mentioned it.  Yeah, it's very strange as I got an email from them and read a blog post of theirs, was fully expecting to no longer be able to login.
[03:59] <Unit193> Mainly figured I'd mention it as you said not only would it not let you login, but also didn't launch.
[04:01] <Unit193> slangasek: Do you know if you'll likely be able to get permission for the newer one?
[05:20] <slangasek> Unit193: the "newer" one has been available for quite some time, and no sign yet
[05:21] <Unit193> Yeah I saw the beta news, etc.  Just wondered if partner was going to get it.  Thanks for answering.
[11:58] <cpaelzer> thanks for the hint on ./debian/git-cherry-pick xnox
[12:00] <cpaelzer> xnox: I read that you just want "ids of the patches you are after; and series you want them in" - will let you know
[12:00] <cpaelzer> xnox: I need to read through the bug updates (if any) in Debian/Ubuntu to see if there is more to do
[12:27] <cpaelzer> xnox: I updated bug 1702823 accordingly
[12:41] <aeoril> is there a community development effort on Ubuntu's side for Linux subsystem for Windows?
[12:45] <xnox> aeoril, please explain what you mean?
[12:46] <xnox> aeoril, Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) is a proprietary part of the Windows 10 kernel which allows executing linux elf binaries and provides a subset of compatibility syscalls to make elf binaries work.
[12:46] <xnox> all of that work is done by Microsoft alone.
[12:47] <aeoril> xnox: Oh, I thought it might be a joint effort between Canonical and Microsoft, and that there might be some work developers could do open source to contribute to it
[12:47] <xnox> Ubuntu provides a tarball of Ubuntu chroot which is unmodified tarball as used for LXD/LXC etc and is from here: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-root.tar.gz
[12:48] <xnox> aeoril, that tarball is wrapped in a zip file, with a manifest file that says "ubuntu", and is registered with the WSL subsystem (literary one call to WSL api)
[12:48] <xnox> the WSL apis are public in the latest insider builds of windows 10, not sure if the windows sdk with those dll/header files is out yet.
[12:49] <xnox> aeoril, apart from wrapping existing chroot/tarball of the ubuntu container cloud image there was no futher work done by canonical. And none of the binaries are modified and/or recompiled at all - it really are just the same amd64 binaries as one executes on top of ubuntu kernel.
[12:49] <aeoril> I see
[12:50] <xnox> aeoril, there is community around WSL, which is mostly around testing various things one wants to run and reporting misbehaving syscalls / weirdness. https://github.com/Microsoft/BashOnWindows
[12:50] <aeoril> xnox: thanks for that :)
[12:50] <xnox> aeoril, with each update to insiders release there have been improvements in the windows kernel syscall faking thus more and more complex apps now work.
[12:51] <xnox> aeoril, and the microsoft team working on this is active in gathering feedback via above project.
[12:52] <aeoril> Do you know if Microsoft has any of their part open source?  I had heard something some while ago about Microsoft opening up parts of their OS development to open source developers
[12:52] <aeoril> Not really sure about that
[12:53] <xnox> aeoril, one could "fix" linux apps, by using fallbacks and/or lowering the syscall level that is required to run something. But that is not a long term solution and kind of not the point of WSL =) the idea is to have parity on windows side, rather than adding fallacks on the linux side.
[12:54] <xnox> aeoril, i have no idea about that. Maybe use Microsoft developer forums / insiders community to ask about that. There are a lot of repositories at https://github.com/Microsoft and there is process around accepting external contributions e.g. for donet and the like. But I have not yet seen any more "core" services / subsystems / libc / kernel there.
[12:54] <xnox> i guess some may class hacking on the next dotnet as os development.
[12:59] <aeoril> xnox: thank you for getting me started on this.  You are very generous to help me with Microsoft OSS efforts, even though they do not really have much to do with Ubuntu OSS efforts.
[13:01] <cpaelzer> We are over the millenium years - OSS spirit everywhere now
[13:03] <cpaelzer> xnox: I see you updated the bug - let me know if you need anything else
[13:03] <cpaelzer> xnox: otherwsie I'll wait to verify once the bug gets the usueal SRU update notice from moving to proposed
[13:40] <xnox> there is currently inflight sru for xenial & yakkety.
[13:40] <xnox> i will try to fix this in artful asap, and make the sru uploads into yakkety-zesty.
[13:41] <xnox> i have networkd features to backport into xenial-yakkety-zesty as well.
[14:17] <clivejo> how do I get uscan to repack and create a dfsg tarball?