[06:26] <dholbach> good morning
[15:56] <zul> heylo
[15:56] <ivoks> hi
[15:56] <sommer> yo to all :)
[16:00]  * mathiaz waves
[16:00] <ivoks> o/
[16:00] <mathiaz> Let's get the Ubuntu Server team started
[16:00] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:00] <mathiaz> Today's agenda:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:01] <mathiaz> Last week agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090324
[16:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] KVM backport in hardy
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  KVM backport in hardy
[16:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ how is this going?
[16:04] <mathiaz> allright - kirkland doesn't seem to be around - let's postpone this topic
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server Guide
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Guide
[16:04] <mathiaz> sommer: how is this coming along?
[16:04] <sommer> mathiaz: should be good to go for jaunty
[16:05] <mathiaz> sommer: did you get any feedback on the new and updated sections?
[16:05] <sommer> received some great feed back from translators and some upstream projects
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: yep, the eucalyptus team were great with feedback :)
[16:07] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome.
[16:07] <sommer> mathiaz: not sure there's much more news, some of the new sections were reviewed, but some weren't... but they can always be updated in the next release
[16:07] <mathiaz> anything else to report on the documentation front?
[16:08] <sommer> mathiaz: don't think so
[16:08] <mathiaz> ok.
[16:08] <mathiaz> sommer: thanks for keeping on a eye on the Server Guide !
[16:08] <sommer> mathiaz: welcome :-)
[16:08] <mathiaz> That's all I had from last week minutes.
[16:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel
[16:09] <mathiaz> cooloney: ^^?
[16:09] <cooloney> yeah, mathiaz
[16:09] <cooloney> i am bryan from kernel team
[16:09] <cooloney> we got a request from mdz for such numa things
[16:09] <mathiaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331308
[16:09] <cooloney> how do you guys think
[16:09] <cooloney> right
[16:10] <ivoks> any known sideffects?
[16:11] <cooloney> for kernel, it will change the abi
[16:11] <zul> i dont have a problem with it
[16:11] <cooloney> and enable some options for NUMA config
[16:11] <ivoks> cooloney: just for amd64 or i386 too?
[16:11] <mathiaz> According to the bug report: Even if it has some overhead on non-NUMA machines,
[16:11] <cooloney> is that ok for jaunty?
[16:12] <cooloney> ivoks, i think only for amd64
[16:12] <cooloney> not i386
[16:12] <mathiaz> Has this been measured?
[16:12] <mathiaz> cooloney: I'm not sure if we can still enable this in jaunty
[16:12] <cooloney> mathiaz, oh, no, i have no idea about the overhead
[16:13] <mathiaz> cooloney: It seems that it's a new feature in the kernel
[16:13] <cooloney> mathiaz, i understand, so we plan to discuss this things in our kernel sprint meeting this week
[16:13] <cooloney> mathiaz, right, so it should be for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: ok - I don't have an issue with enable NUMA per se.
[16:14] <cooloney> ok, guys, i guess you guys are agree to enable it for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: It's just that it seems a bit late in the release cycle to enable such a new thing.
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: for karmic, yes.
[16:14] <cooloney> thanks, i will talk to our kernel members about this and try to enable it.
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: now it's up to you discuss it for jaunty.
[16:15] <mathiaz> cooloney: IMO it's too late.
[16:15] <cooloney> mathiaz, yeah, i agreee
[16:15] <ivoks> i found a PDF with some overhead charts
[16:15] <ivoks> but it's from 2001 :/
[16:16] <cooloney> ivoks, do you have the URL of the PDF?
[16:16] <ivoks> cooloney: http://jp.fujitsu.com/group/labs/downloads/techinfo/technote/linux/optimizing-numa.pdf
[16:16] <ivoks> cooloney: but i woulnd't take it into account
[16:16] <ivoks> it's really old
[16:16] <cooloney> mathiaz, so i agree we are not going to enable NUMA for Jaunty but for karmic
[16:17] <cooloney> ivoks, thx, got it
[16:17] <mathiaz> great.
[16:17] <mathiaz> cooloney: thanks for bringing up this topic.
[16:17] <mathiaz> cooloney: anything else to add?
[16:17] <cooloney> mathiaz, one more thing
[16:18] <cooloney> how do you guys think to enable PAE for i386 flavour
[16:18] <cooloney> maybe it is not very interesting for server folks, -:))
[16:18] <zul> suse already does that but it still might be late for jaunty
[16:18] <ivoks> weren't there some ideas in mountain view about merging server and generic?
[16:19] <cooloney> we plan to introduce i386-pae flavour for karmic
[16:19] <ivoks> (iirc, most of the server related stuff can be done with sysctl)
[16:19] <mathiaz> right - IIRC PAE for i386 was discussed during last UDS with the kernel team
[16:20] <cooloney> mathiaz, ok, no problem.
[16:20] <cooloney> please go on the meeting.
[16:20] <mathiaz> great. Thanks
[16:20] <cooloney> we can discuss that in our team sprint,
[16:20] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu on EC2
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu on EC2
[16:20] <mathiaz> zul: ^^
[16:21] <zul> hi
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul: how is the state of the intrepid images?
[16:21] <zul> they are going well no major problems being reported
[16:21] <zul> ec2-api-tools were renelty packaved for jaunty and are available now
[16:21] <mathiaz> is there another beta planned?
[16:21] <zul> there is
[16:22] <zul> im not sure when though, it should be announced soon
[16:22] <zul> by that time we should have some hardy images available for public use
[16:22] <zul> jaunty is still being worked on
[16:22] <mathiaz> zul: great. So the next set of images will be beta images for hardy?
[16:23] <zul> hardy and intrepid
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: great. And later on there will be images based on jaunty too.
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: ?
[16:23] <zul> thats the plan there is more of a demand from our users for hardy before jaunty
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: agreed.
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: what will be the kernel base for hardy?
[16:24] <zul> 2.6.24
[16:24] <zul> 2.6.28 for jaunty
[16:25] <zul> i think thats it from me
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: great.
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: where all the new beta images will be announced?
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: on the ec2-beta mailing list/
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: ?
[16:25] <zul> correct
[16:26] <mathiaz> zul: great. Thanks for giving an update.
[16:26] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Bugs from beta
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugs from beta
[16:27] <mathiaz> so as you may have noticed we've released a beta version of Jaunty last Thursday
[16:27] <mathiaz> and we've seen an increase in the number of bugs filed
[16:27] <mathiaz> so any help in triagging them is welcomed
[16:28] <mathiaz> so that we can have a good view on what's going wrong in Jaunty
[16:28] <mathiaz> and help make a rock-solid release by the end of April.
[16:30] <jdbrowne> How can we help triage the bugs ?
[16:31] <ivoks> reproducing them would be a good step
[16:31] <mathiaz> http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/
[16:32] <mathiaz> ^^ here is a link to the list of NEW bugs related to the ubuntu-server team
[16:33] <jdbrowne> if I reproduce them, I put a new comment or can I change the status to 'confirmed' ?
[16:34] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: if you can reproduce them, you can move them to the confirmed state
[16:34] <jdbrowne> ok, feel free to bump to the right doc
[16:34] <jdbrowne> to bump me
[16:34] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Bug%20Triager%20resources
[16:35] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved#Triage%20bugs%20and%20become%20a%20Triager
[16:36] <mathiaz> Any help in triagging the influx of bug for beta is welcome!
[16:36] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:36] <mathiaz> Anyone wants to add anything?
[16:36] <Extend> me
[16:36] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's on your mind?
[16:37] <mathiaz> Extend: sure
[16:37] <Extend> it's not about the meeting's topic
[16:37] <ivoks> mathiaz: check out bacula and rhcs
[16:37] <Extend> i want to talk control of my loco team cause they are lazy
[16:37] <ivoks> see if there are bugs and triage them
[16:37] <Extend> and i've done great things in my country
[16:38] <mathiaz> Extend: this is not the right moment to ask about that - and not the right people
[16:38] <ivoks> Extend: wrong meeting
[16:38] <Extend> i know
[16:38] <Extend> it is a wrong meeting
[16:38] <Extend> no upcoming scheduled meeting for this topic
[16:38] <ivoks> who is in favour of droping rhcs for next ubuntu releases and going with linuxHA instead?
[16:38] <Extend> but i want someone to tell me what to do
[16:39] <zul> ivoks: mememememememememe!!!
[16:39]  * zul raises his hand
[16:39]  * zul raises his hand
[16:39] <zul> heh
[16:39] <ivoks> zul: me too :)
[16:39] <nealmcb> Extend: join #ubuntu-locoteams
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ?highlight=%28CategoryLoCoTeams%29#The%20LoCo%20team%20in%20my%20area%20is%20not%20very%20good,%20can%20I%20replace%20it?
[16:40] <Extend> nealmcb, thanks a lot
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ
[16:40] <Extend> mathiaz, thanks :d i don't know what to say really
[16:40] <jdbrowne> what is wrong with rhcs?
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: ^^ that page should give you pointers to move forward
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's the issue with bacula?
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: it needs more testing/fixing in jaunty?
[16:41] <Extend> thanks all
[16:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: i guess not, but i have to check if there are bugs for jaunty
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: same question for rhcs
[16:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: i was thinking at loud
[16:42] <ivoks> there's nothing more we could do for jaunty, except bugs triaging
[16:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok. So more testing and bug handling is required for bacula
[16:42] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, the usual care and testing
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok.
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: what about rhcs?
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, i would like to see jaunty being last version that supports rhcs
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIRC rhcs and linux-ha are not totally feature compatible
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: fabionne was maintainer of rhcs in ubuntu and now we have quite old rhcs
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: no one else wants to take it and not that many people use it
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: is there an equivalent to gvfs in linux-ha?
[16:44] <ivoks> gfs
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: fabionne gave up rhcs in ubuntu?
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIUC he was still maintaining it
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: I've seen a couple of upload to jaunty
[16:45] <Agafonov> mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda points here as todays LoCo meeting. Is it mistake?
[16:46] <ivoks> mathiaz: there was his post on ubuntu-devel about rhcs
[16:46] <ivoks> mathiaz: let me find it
[16:46] <mathiaz> Agafonov: sure - at 20:00 UTC
[16:47] <ivoks> mathiaz: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027583.html
[16:47] <mathiaz> ivoks: right.
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: we should probably discuss that during the next UDS
[16:48] <ivoks> of course...
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: and see what we should do about it.
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: I thought there was some demand for rhcs
[16:48] <ivoks> i don't know if anyone is that familliar with it as fabio
[16:49] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - from a maintainance point of view.
[16:49] <mathiaz> ivoks: and so the proposal would be to replace it with linux-ha?
[16:49] <ivoks> mathiaz: i use it on couple of projects... does anyone else here uses it?
[16:49] <ivoks> it would be great if canonical would give some info about their customer requests for rhcs
[16:50]  * sommer has been considering it, but hasn't really gone in depth
[16:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: I don't know. I can ask the Canonical support guys about it.
[16:50] <ivoks> mathiaz: please do
[16:50] <ivoks> that's for karmic, of course...
[16:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: sure :)
[16:50] <ivoks> in jaunty, i'll make sure everything is working as it should
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to discuss?
[16:51] <ivoks> i didn't test it, so it might be ok already :)
[16:51] <mathiaz> ivoks: thanks for giving some love to bacula and rhcs
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to discuss?
[16:51] <jdbrowne> is it the right time and people to discuss glitches in the kvm/libvirt jaunty setup, or should I file the bugs first?
[16:52] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: filing bugs is the best way to proceed
[16:52] <jdbrowne> ok
[16:52] <nealmcb> jdbrowne: and then you can also see #ubuntu-virt
[16:53] <jdbrowne> nealmcb: done, i will file the bugs with all the steps to reproduce
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: great thanks.
[16:54] <nealmcb> jdbrowne: good!
[16:54] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:54] <jdbrowne> no pb. This is my own intrest :) will Nijaba be in solutions linux tomorrow also?
[16:54] <mathiaz> time to wrap up
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: yes - he already is there
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <mathiaz> same place, same time, next week?
[16:55] <sommer> sure
[16:56] <ivoks> yes
[16:56] <ivoks> bye :)
[16:56] <mathiaz> great - so see you all next week, same place, same time
[16:56] <mathiaz> and don't forget to testdrive Jaunty Beta!
[16:56] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:57.
[16:57] <sommer> thanks mathiaz, later on all
[17:51] <Garfeild> hi all
[18:48] <Villain> и тишина...
[18:49] <ubuntar> :-D
[18:54] <Villain> В черном-черном городе, на черной-черной улице, в черном-черном доме, в черно-черной квартире сидит черный-черный мужик и говорит:
[18:54] <Villain> - Никогда больше не буду сам заправлять картриджи!
[18:55] <Garfeild> Villain: please, stop
[19:32] <paalny92> I have verry low sound volume. Where iis the advanced volum controller in ubuntu? :P
[19:32] <aim1159> paalny92: it's not a support channel. please ask on #ubuntu
[19:32] <ianto> paalny92: The correct channel for that is #ubuntu however right click the speak in the top right corner
[19:32] <ianto> s/speak/speaker
[19:32] <ianto> And work it out or ask in #ubuntu
[20:51] <Greene> hi
[20:52] <GunbladeIV> hi
[20:52] <nbliang> hi
[20:52] <RachedTN> hi
[20:52] <RachedTN> :)
[20:52] <Garfeild> hi
[20:52] <Garfeild> damn!
[20:53] <Garfeild> i'm late)))
[20:53] <ApOgEE--> greetings all
[20:53] <Villain> hi
[20:54] <aim1159> Greene:
[20:54] <aim1159> Garfeild:
[21:00] <juliux> hi
[21:00] <juliux> the lococouncil is online but busy with an other issue
[21:00] <juliux> we will be here in a few minutes
[21:02] <nbliang> ok
[21:02]  * cprofitt waves
[21:02] <cprofitt> NY State is here
[21:03] <ianto> Good to hear ;)
[21:03] <juliux> cool
[21:03] <ianto> cprofitt: The council will take a few minutes, there was just an announcement
[21:03] <cprofitt> thanks ianto - one team dropped so perhaps we will make it to us
[21:03] <cprofitt> np
[21:03] <juliux> russian team also here?
[21:03] <Garfeild> yep
[21:04]  * kwah o/
[21:04] <Garfeild> juliux: it's me, aim1159, Greene, kwah, Agafonov
[21:04] <nbliang> MalaysianTeam is here
[21:04] <Garfeild> also ubuntar1, Villain
[21:04] <Garfeild> and skyrider )
[21:04] <kwah> Garfeild, and skyrider :D
[21:04] <ianto> Ubuntu Cymru (WelshTeam) from me
[21:04] <nbliang> but the main contact will be here soon (on the way back)
[21:05] <juliux> cool
[21:05] <Garfeild> juliux: and Malamut
[21:05] <Garfeild> (^_^)
[21:05] <aim1159> juliux: and Malamut
[21:06] <Garfeild> and Alsvartr...
[21:06] <kwah> yep, half of the list almost.
[21:06] <Garfeild> )
[21:07] <boredandblogging> lets get started
[21:07] <boredandblogging> Russian LoCo?
[21:07] <kwah> here
[21:07] <juliux> privet ;)
[21:08] <Garfeild> ^_^
[21:08] <kwah> juliux, cool :D
[21:08] <juliux> some russian knowledge from school is left;)
[21:09] <juliux> can you introduce your team short?
[21:09] <kwah> Russian Team is the number of enthusiasts
[21:10] <kwah> working mostly on the support of Russian speaking users
[21:10] <kwah> and managing relevant resources aimed to provide this support
[21:10] <kwah> We see our team as not really Local Team
[21:11] <kwah> but a meta Team of Russian speaking people
[21:11] <kwah> coordinating work related to Ubuntu and spreading knowledge about it
[21:12] <kwah> Currently we are in a period of reorganization
[21:12] <kwah> and in the process of clearly stating our goals in the areas mentioned in our approval application
[21:13] <kwah> Currently, the core of the team consists of about 20-30 active individuals passionate about what they are doing
[21:13] <kwah> What else would you like to know?
[21:14] <juliux> kwah: thanks
[21:14] <boredandblogging> before the reorganization, how was the LoCo set up?
[21:15] <kwah> Mostly there were people managing activities on the support forum, irc-channel
[21:15] <juliux> do you had some real life events?
[21:15] <juliux> and what do you think about ubuntu-eu and is there an involement from your team
[21:15] <kwah> plus big effort was put into the translation of the distribution
[21:16] <kwah> real life events: outings and parties coordinated mopstly via forum
[21:16] <kwah> ubuntu-eu: we have a contact with the team via our administrator
[21:16] <boredandblogging> the forums seem very active
[21:17] <JanC> do you do anything like installparties ?
[21:17] <kwah> yes it is very active, indeed
[21:17] <kwah> I am aware of such activities in the St-Petersburg LUG
[21:18] <kwah> representative of which is also here
[21:19] <aim1159> JanC: some of the memebers of our team do some install and release party activities in their local cities
[21:19] <aim1159> for example aceler do such parties in nizhniy novgorod
[21:19] <aim1159> i do such install and release parties on, nearly every release in saint petersburg
[21:20] <JanC> yeah, I can imagine you need local organisations / groups for that, Russia is rather big...
[21:20] <aim1159> but there is no such events wich is lables as 'russian loco team event' since there were no real loco in russia untill now
[21:20] <kwah> JanC, indeed
[21:20] <kwah> aim1159, +1
[21:20] <aim1159> so the next step, after formal russian loco organisatin is creating a sub-teams on each city wich have active members of ubuntu community
[21:21] <JanC> you can keep working together with the local LUGs I guess...
[21:21] <kwah> JanC, yes we will do that
[21:23] <kwah> One of the most active parts of our forum, in fact, is where people look for each other for meetings and exchange of disks
[21:24] <boredandblogging> looks like you guys have done great work online, but I'm wondering about real life
[21:24] <kwah> Spreading Ubuntu install disks etc
[21:25] <kwah> boredandblogging, yep, we need more work on that, especially to make it more visible
[21:25] <kwah> from Internet
[21:25] <kwah> ;)
[21:26] <JanC> are there shops in Russia that sell PCs with Ubuntu?
[21:26] <Garfeild> yes, several
[21:27] <Garfeild> but i didn't see them)
[21:28] <kwah> JanC, In fact currently FOSS getting some momentum in Russia
[21:28] <kwah> Since the rules are becoming tighter and
[21:28] <kwah> bug#1 operating system becomes not really free (as in beer)
[21:29] <JanC> you mean copyright law is enforced now?  ;-)
[21:29] <kwah> yep
[21:29] <kwah> but not only copyright law
[21:29] <kwah> consumer rights as well
[21:31] <kwah> recently, FAS (anti-monopoly regulators) also stepped in with some questions to current practices
[21:31] <kwah> about selling OS bundled to hardware
[21:32] <JanC> ah, interresting
[21:33] <kwah> and, of course, number of projects currently going on with FOSS in schools and government institutions
[21:33] <kwah> although, Ubuntu is not represented  there, AFAIK
[21:33] <JanC> kwah: did you try to get schools involved?
[21:34] <JanC> you = the locoteam
[21:34] <kwah> yep, there are some efforts
[21:35] <kwah> but it is very difficult... since computer and Win is a kinda the same thing for teachers
[21:35] <kwah> Thats why I think our documentation and translation efforts are very important
[21:36] <kwah> of course, awareness about the existence of the Ubuntu is another vector of our attention
[21:37] <aim1159> JanC: most of the work with schools are faced with bureaucracy barrier
[21:37] <boredandblogging> lets vote
[21:37]  * kwah kinda scared
[21:37] <boredandblogging> +1 please do some real life events in the future, specifically for 9.04
[21:38] <kwah> we will
[21:38] <JanC> +1 but do some more live events, or document them better (they aren't in the approval-page at all now)
[21:38] <popey> +1
[21:39] <juliux> +1 but focus on some reallife activites;)
[21:39] <kwah> ;)
[21:39] <juliux> if you need help ask at the loco-contact list
[21:39] <kwah> of course
[21:39] <JanC> I think some of them already have experience, they can help others
[21:40] <boredandblogging> congrats Russian Team
[21:40] <johnc4510> w00t for the Russian Team
[21:40] <cprofitt> congrats Russia
[21:40] <kwah> Thanks all
[21:40] <ianto> Congratulations
[21:40] <cody-somerville> w00t
[21:40]  * aim1159 goes to LOR ;-)
[21:40] <GunbladeIV> congratez Russian Team
[21:40] <nbliang> congratulations to Russian Team
[21:40] <Mean-Machine> congrats Ubuntu-ru !
[21:40] <boredandblogging> Malaysia?
[21:40] <e-jat> congrate russian team
[21:40] <kwah> aim1159, wrong, go to ubuntu.ru :D
[21:41] <nbliang> yep
[21:41] <nbliang> hi, we r the MalaysianTeam
[21:41] <[Green]> :)
[21:41] <nbliang> our members currently online: e-jat, GunbladeIV & ApOgEE--
[21:41] <ubuntar1> Thank you!
[21:41] <ApOgEE--> hi
[21:41] <e-jat> hi all ..
[21:41]  * cprofitt three cheers for ApOgEE--
[21:41] <GunbladeIV> hello juliux , boredandblogging , popey , and JanC
[21:42]  * nbliang it's now 4+ in the early morning
[21:42]  * ApOgEE-- thanks cprofitt
[21:42] <nbliang> :p
[21:42] <nbliang> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:42] <nbliang> can we proceed?
[21:42] <juliux> yes pls;)
[21:42] <JanC> yes, tell a bit about your team  ;)
[21:43] <nbliang> started in july 2005
[21:43] <nbliang> we provide free community support to users of any of the official Ubuntu flavours (ie. Kubuntu, Xubuntu) as well as advocating the use of Ubuntu to individuals and organisations a like
[21:43] <nbliang> goals:
[21:43] <nbliang> to spread the Ubuntu's spirit to anybody atht is staying in Malaysia
[21:43] <nbliang> be the central point for all Ubuntu users to discuss, get together and meet up
[21:43] <e-jat> that*
[21:43] <nbliang> to give the local support, provide supplies and information to users in Malaysia
[21:43] <nbliang> to organise events and to represent Ubuntu in local conferences / activities in Malaysia
[21:43] <nbliang> to involve in Ubuntu projects such as packaging, localisation and documentation
[21:43] <nbliang> strengthen Ubuntu brand in Malaysia in businesses, educations and government
[21:44] <nbliang> team wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MalaysianTeam
[21:44] <nbliang> 164 members registered
[21:45] <nbliang> anything else needed?
[21:45] <nbliang> locoteam also involve with the adoption of FOSS in government agencies
[21:45] <nbliang> some of the goverment agencies r using ubuntu
[21:45] <nbliang> such as ministry of education (MOE), matriculations, government schools, etc
[21:46] <nbliang> other main contribution is translation
[21:46] <nbliang> through launchpad
[21:46] <nbliang> we have active members in irc #ubuntu-my @ irc.freenode.net
[21:46] <nbliang> active forums at http://forums.ubuntu.com.my
[21:47] <nbliang> now starting to build local language wiki at http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my
[21:47] <nbliang> recently, we have meetup in march
[21:48] <nbliang> and organized some "lepaking" (Malay words, means gathering) for members
[21:48] <nbliang> upcoming events will be in end of April @ 1st week of May
[21:48] <nbliang> which is to participate in MSC-OSCON 2009 under OSDC.MY
[21:48] <nbliang> http://osdc.my/
[21:49] <juliux> impressive
[21:49] <boredandblogging> what events have you had since the July 2008 grand meet up?
[21:49] <nbliang> we have meet ups mostly
[21:49] <nbliang> since no big event is coming in
[21:49] <e-jat> boredandblogging: we participate in foss.my
[21:50] <e-jat> http://foss.my
[21:50] <nbliang> oh ya, forget about that
[21:50] <nbliang> thanks e-jat
[21:50] <e-jat> ubuntu-my having room for both ..
[21:50] <e-jat> booth*
[21:51] <e-jat> on foss.my .. explaining what is ubuntu .. and what can we do with it to delegate who attend the foss.my
[21:51] <nbliang> we also do conversino for various companies and agencies, as stated in our approval application
[21:52] <popey> Impressive stuff!
[21:52] <nbliang> btw, canonical did come visit MOE n terengganu state .. planning for the thin client solution with ubuntu
[21:52] <nbliang> MOE = ministry of education
[21:52] <popey> Lets vote on this..
[21:52] <boredandblogging> +1
[21:52] <JanC> +1
[21:52] <nbliang> thanks guys !!
[21:53] <e-jat> thanks boredandblogging , JanC
[21:53] <ApOgEE--> thanks
[21:53] <popey> +1
[21:54] <nbliang> thanks popey
[21:54] <boredandblogging> congrats
[21:54] <johnc4510> congrats Malaysian team
[21:54] <cprofitt> Congrats Malaysia - go ApOgEE--
[21:54] <popey> no, thank _you_!
[21:54] <ApOgEE--> thanks popey
[21:54] <e-jat> thanks council ..
[21:54] <GunbladeIV> w0ot Malaysian Team
[21:54] <ApOgEE--> thanks cprofitt
[21:54] <Mean-Machine> congrats to Malaysian LoCo
[21:54] <nbliang> question: we have to re-apply every year rite?
[21:54] <GunbladeIV> thanks to council
[21:54] <boredandblogging> I don't think we can do NY in a few minutes
[21:54] <popey> nbliang: no
[21:54] <e-jat> popey: ic ..
[21:54] <nbliang> oh, ok
[21:54] <nbliang> thanks popey
[21:54] <ApOgEE--> thanks Mean-Machine
[21:54] <popey> we review various teams periodically though
[21:54] <juliux> +1
[21:54] <e-jat> thanks all ..
[21:55] <juliux> see you next year;)
[21:55] <popey> so we may come back to you and ask you to tell us how you got on since you became official
[21:55] <nbliang> sure
[21:55] <ApOgEE--> thanks all
[21:55] <nbliang> thanks for the info
[21:55] <cprofitt> boredandblogging, so not enough time... I have it all ready to cut-n-paste so it can go faster
[21:55] <juliux> there is something missing at the NY Approval page;)
[21:55] <JanC> boredandblogging: you have to go?
[21:55] <e-jat> thanks .. so we do need to submit annual report for our activity to loco contact list /
[21:55] <e-jat> ?
[21:56] <boredandblogging> actually no
[21:56] <cprofitt> what is missing juliux ?
[21:56] <boredandblogging> we can do NY if we have quorum
[21:56] <popey> actually, I am sure dholbach would like a team report off you monthly :)
[21:56] <boredandblogging> lol
[21:56] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[21:56]  * nbliang NY Team, go go go
[21:56] <juliux> cprofitt: ubucon 2007;)
[21:56] <e-jat> owh .. ok ..
[21:56] <nbliang> popey: lol
[21:56] <juliux> cprofitt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TheUbucon/NYC2007 ;)
[21:56] <cprofitt> Hello I am from the NY team
[21:56]  * ApOgEE-- go go cprofitt
[21:56] <e-jat> i already email to dholbach recently
[21:56] <cprofitt> hal14450, ausimage and marnold are here
[21:56] <cprofitt> as well from NY
[21:57] <cprofitt> The New York State Team is active in supporting FOSS and Ubuntu across all of NY State. We work with existing LUGS and SIGS to support Ubuntu and Linux users. We are active in trying to get IT consulting firms to consider adding FOSS and Linux products to the items they offer to support.
[21:57] <cprofitt>  I am personally an advocate for Ubuntu and FOSS in K-12 Schools across the state. The team was formed a while ago, but it was not until last last year that we started to be more active in giving presentations and adovcating for Ubuntu and FOSS.
[21:57] <cprofitt> We are in the midst of planning participation in some events that will happen this summer and fall. We are also active in trying to get our local members more active on the international on-line level
[21:57] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/ApprovalApplication
[21:57] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam
[21:57] <cprofitt> That is what I had prepared... I can answer questions now
[21:58] <cprofitt> http://main.newyork-ubuntu.com/Main/HomePage
[21:59] <juliux> do you some more information what you have done in the paste?
[21:59] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/Past
[21:59] <cprofitt> that goes back to April of 2007
[22:00] <cprofitt> I joined the team last year around October so I can not speak to their past events on a personal basis
[22:00] <cprofitt> I do know that the team founders had real life pull them away after the team started...
[22:00] <cprofitt> and we have been rejuvenated since October
[22:01]  * johnc4510 notes that the NY team has taken off of late    way to go NY
[22:02]  * cprofitt smiles at johnc4510
[22:02] <boredandblogging> oh wait
[22:02] <boredandblogging> pleia2 left some comments
[22:02] <boredandblogging> 20:08:37]       pleia2 | cool, they've been a vaguely active team these past few years, having meetings
[22:02] <boredandblogging> [20:09:01]       pleia2 | but over these past several months cprofitt has really taken control of things and started planning all kinds of events, conferences, more meetings,
[22:02] <boredandblogging>                           working with LUGs
[22:02] <boredandblogging> 20:09:11]       pleia2 | they're doing some amazing work :) and have a pile of events lined up
[22:02] <boredandblogging> [20:09:35]       pleia2 | I've sorta been their Mentor through the US Teams (they don't need me anymore!), so it's exciting
[22:03] <boredandblogging> thats its
[22:03] <johnc4510> agreed
[22:03] <boredandblogging> thats it
[22:03] <cprofitt> to be honest I really feel like this is just the tip of the ice berg for us...
[22:03] <popey> That's good to hear from pleia2
[22:04] <cprofitt> we no have comments in Ithaca (thanks to the conference we did - booth and presentation), Syracuse has woken up, and other areas of the state are starting to be more active...
[22:04] <boredandblogging> lots of things coming up
[22:04] <cprofitt> Yes.
[22:05] <cprofitt> I have not posted the fall stuff I have finished and we have several things in the works
[22:05] <cprofitt> We should be presenting at NYSCATE - which is a state wide K-12 conference
[22:05] <cprofitt> and we have presentation by several vendors coming in the fall
[22:06]  * cprofitt deejoe is a NY State person who just made it in time
[22:07] <cprofitt> thanks for coming deejoe-us-ny
[22:08] <deejoe-us-ny> have to head for home soon, but if there are any questions anyone has for me before I go I'd be happy to try to address them.
[22:08] <cprofitt> marnold, just told me in our channel we may be able to start up a local group at his college Morrisville
[22:08] <cprofitt> he has gotten some people there interested... go marnold
[22:09] <marnold> and in open source more generally
[22:09] <cprofitt> deejoe-us-ny, thanks for coming and showing NY State is strong in the power of FOSS
[22:11] <popey> Ok, time to vot?
[22:11] <popey> *vote
[22:11]  * cprofitt relaxes
[22:11] <cprofitt> I thought I got disconnected there for a minute
[22:12] <boredandblogging> think NY has some good events coming up...
[22:13] <juliux> i think the NY team is on a good way
[22:13] <juliux> but i would like to see some more documentation about the work;)
[22:14] <cprofitt> juliux, did you click on the links from the list I gave you?
[22:14] <juliux>  cprofitt yes
[22:14] <cprofitt> k...
[22:14] <juliux> i see there a lot of meetings
[22:14] <juliux> but no results
[22:14] <juliux> no minutes
[22:15] <deejoe-us-ny> hmm
[22:15] <juliux> popey: boredandblogging JanC ?
[22:15] <JanC> juliux: depends on which links you follow, I guess
[22:15] <deejoe-us-ny> I'm pretty sure there are pictures of events
[22:15] <cprofitt> They are events -- our meetings are online
[22:15] <cprofitt> http://main.newyork-ubuntu.com/Activities/MeetingsPage
[22:15] <cprofitt> those are our on-line meetings for official business
[22:16] <juliux> ah found the right link
[22:16] <cprofitt> and here
[22:16] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Meetings/Past
[22:16] <deejoe-us-ny> juliux: consider for instance https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090205
[22:16] <deejoe-us-ny> which is a link straight off of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/ApprovalApplication
[22:16] <juliux> sorry
[22:16] <deejoe-us-ny> :-)
[22:17] <cprofitt> no problem juliux
[22:17] <cprofitt> I could have done a better job at the layout
[22:18] <cprofitt> this is the event I am most proud of -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090326
[22:18] <boredandblogging> sorry
[22:18] <cprofitt> we worked with the Ithaca Free Software Association
[22:18] <cprofitt> and was in the Vendor pool with Microsoft and Apple...
[22:18]  * deejoe-us-ny wasn't able to go--it was a weekday workday
[22:18] <boredandblogging> NY, I think you can guys should come back in 3 months
[22:18] <cprofitt> our booth was packed... and my presentation had around 80-90 people init
[22:18] <boredandblogging> once you do all those events, it will be awesome!
[22:18] <deejoe-us-ny> boredandblogging: do you have some constructive comment for cprofitt?
[22:19] <cprofitt> boredandblogging, I would really like to know what is lacking...
[22:19] <boredandblogging> there are a lot of meetups, its hard to tell if they were more than simply socializing
[22:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090326
[22:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090305
[22:19] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090221
[22:20] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090217
[22:20] <deejoe-us-ny> I'm not a huge fan of this hoop jumping process, I think our local community can do fine without the support of Ubuntu.  I'm just wondering whether the LoCo wants to be a part of our local FOSS community or not.
[22:20] <deejoe-us-ny> If so, I think some support for ausimage and cprofitt's efforts would be in order.
[22:20] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewYorkTeam/Events/20090108
[22:20] <deejoe-us-ny> If not, meh.
[22:20] <cprofitt> are those the events you are looking for boredandblogging
[22:21] <cprofitt> or is it something more?
[22:21] <JanC> I think you've done a lot of good things already this year
[22:21] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: yeah, thats the kind of stuff I"m looking for
[22:21] <cprofitt> thanks JanC
[22:21] <deejoe-us-ny> anyway, I've got to go home to my family.  I'll continue to idle and hope to see when I come back that the LoCo council has decided to back ausimage's persistence and cprofitt's energy.
[22:22] <cprofitt> boredandblogging, so how much more of that do we need to do before we are considered to have done enough for approval?
[22:22] <cprofitt> thanks deejoe-us-ny have a good night
[22:23] <boredandblogging> you guys have done a good job this year
[22:23] <JanC> cprofitt: are there any older events that you are proud of?  (I mean as a team)
[22:23] <cprofitt> JanC, to be honest... not that were well documented...
[22:23] <boredandblogging> just keep doing it for a bit longer
[22:23] <cprofitt> I was not active in the team before late October
[22:24] <JanC> cprofitt: that's why boredandblogging wants you to come back in some months
[22:25] <JanC> some locoteams are very active for a short time, and then slow down again
[22:25] <cprofitt> noted...
[22:25] <marnold> i know thats not us though
[22:25] <cprofitt> we will take your advice under consideration...
[22:26] <popey> is it time to vote?
[22:26] <JanC> that's what we hope (and I think pleia2 wouldn't have said what she said is she thought you would)
[22:26] <cprofitt> it should be simple as there is no issue with what we are doing, but a lack of trust that we will continue to do so.
[22:28] <cprofitt> I know some will be disappointed that we did not make it... but I will do what I can to keep morale high
[22:28] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: its not a lack of trust
[22:28] <boredandblogging> you are doing good work
[22:28] <boredandblogging> simply keep doing it
[22:28] <boredandblogging> popey is right, lets vote
[22:29] <marnold> boredandblogging, if i may ask one thing first
[22:29] <cprofitt> marnold, we just need to keep working... no need to ask the question
[22:29] <JanC> marnold: you can
[22:30] <marnold> if we are doing good work what is the issue with making us offical so we have more tools at our disposal to continue doing it
[22:30] <JanC> marnold: what tools do you lack?
[22:31] <cprofitt> JanC, marnold the only thing I know we get from approval is a different conference pack
[22:31] <cprofitt> which equates to little more than hats...
[22:31] <JanC> BTW: I'm pretty sure the team will get approved +4 some months from now if you keep on working like you do now...
[22:32] <JanC> cprofitt: there might be an early pack of CDs too (if Canonical will do it again for this release)
[22:33] <marnold> well hats are cool but i've worked with some people who are a bit skitish about coming to a meeting put on by in org thats not officially endorsed yet
[22:33] <nhandler> JanC: I don't think the pack of CDs came early. It was just a big box of different types of CDs for the LoCos to distribute
[22:34] <marnold> I've had that question via e-mail at least twice
[22:34] <JanC> nhandler: they are the first CDs sent (so they arrive first too ;-) )
[22:34] <boredandblogging> lets vote
[22:35] <JanC> marnold: look at the Malaysian team, they have been doing great stuff since 2005 and got officially approved today
[22:37] <JanC> marnold: what exactly were they skitish about?
[22:38] <cprofitt> marnold, or take a look at the Russian team too...
[22:38] <cprofitt> they got approved today as well...
[22:38] <boredandblogging> juliux: ?
[22:38] <boredandblogging> popey: ?
[22:38] <boredandblogging> JanC: ?
[22:38] <juliux> 0
[22:38] <popey> 0
[22:38] <cprofitt> we can look at what they have done and move forward
[22:38] <marnold> i fine with working harder
[22:38] <JanC> 0+
[22:38] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: seriously, you are doing good this year
[22:38] <boredandblogging> don't get discouraged
[22:38] <cprofitt> glad I survived the power surge I just had...
[22:38] <cprofitt> would have been bad to drop...
[22:38]  * cprofitt smiles
[22:39] <JanC> marnold: not working harder per sé, just keep working
[22:39] <cprofitt> I understand boredandblogging I just have to keep the morale high
[22:39] <johnc4510> cprofitt: haang in there you guys are doing great
[22:39] <marnold> and JanC i'm dealing with acidemics and city people here
[22:39] <boredandblogging> if you get any heat, just blame us :-)
[22:39] <cprofitt> good night guys...
[22:39] <juliux> gn8
[22:40] <cprofitt> I have to go make nice with the wife as all heck broke out with the kids during this...
[22:40] <boredandblogging> cprofitt: come back in a couple of months
[22:40] <cprofitt> we may wait until next January...
[22:40] <cprofitt> just to make sure boredandblogging
[22:40] <JanC> marnold: if there are any real problems, maybe we or jono or so can help reassure them...
[22:40] <cprofitt> I do not want NYS to have a third set back
[22:40] <ianto> Alright, is it time to discuss the mailing list proposals? :)
[22:40]  * cprofitt waves to all
[22:40] <cprofitt> good night guys
[22:40]  * ianto waves to cprofitt
[22:40] <ApOgEE--> cprofitt, keep it up!
[22:40] <ianto> Good night
[22:41] <e-jat> btw ..
[22:42] <e-jat> who can the council recommend us to invite personel from canonical for our coming event ?
[22:42] <popey> ianto: you're after a mailing list for a new loco team right?
[22:42] <ianto> popey: That is correct
[22:43] <ApOgEE--> we have upcoming FOSS event in Malaysia... inviting everyone here
[22:43] <JanC> e-jat: I think you can ask Jono for help with that, or Canonical directly
[22:43] <popey> ianto: given the history of this and the fact that we discussed this at length in #ubuntu-cym, I'm uncomfortable approving this, because you didn't go through the process that we agreed
[22:43] <e-jat> JanC , ive email jono , mdz n dholbach ..
[22:44] <popey> ianto: I would like to abstain and defer this to Jono - I spoke to him earlier but unfortunately he was busy..
[22:44] <e-jat> they r not available on the that we propose ..
[22:44] <popey> ianto: I'd like to get approval first of all for there being an Ubuntu-CYM LoCo at all, before we approve the mailing list
[22:44] <ianto> popey: By defer, you mean to remove it from the council's agenda and give to Jono or just your own vote to Jono?
[22:44] <e-jat> we want to get someone from canonical the be a crowd puller .. its for asia regional
[22:44] <popey> ianto: I feel that you have gone round getting all the resources (website, irc channel [and now mailing list]) without ever having the approval for the team at all in the first place
[22:44] <nhandler> ianto: In the meantime, you can create a mailing list through LP
[22:45] <ianto> nhandler: I've tried through LP
[22:45] <popey> nhandler: no, thats not ideal
[22:45] <ianto> nhandler: They said no because it is Ubuntu project to get at lists.ubuntu.com
[22:45] <boredandblogging> main loco lists are not supposed to be on LP
[22:45] <ApOgEE--> gtg now... thanks guys
[22:45] <keffie_jayx> o/
[22:45] <ianto> popey: I've spoken to Jono and he said theat he won't deny the team but doesn't want to see a wasted effort
[22:45] <nhandler> boredandblogging: I was under the impression that LP was ok until the team was approved
[22:45] <ianto> and in my eyes and the eyes of the memebrs it isn't a wasted one as of yet
[22:46] <popey> thats the point
[22:46] <e-jat> boredandblogging: how about u? are u available / free after UDS ?
[22:46] <popey> "yet"
[22:46] <popey> 6 months of wasted effort later...?
[22:46] <boredandblogging> e-jat: I don't work for canonical
[22:46] <popey> I have not seen anything from jono that says yes to an ubuntu-cym loco team
[22:46] <JanC> ianto: why can't you work inside ubuntu-uk for now?
[22:46] <ianto> I'm not one to give up on things and I have a good support base  so far
[22:47] <popey> ianto: we agreed you'd do this through -uk
[22:47] <popey> yet you changed your mind without discussing it
[22:47] <e-jat> boredandblogging: u can be representative :)
[22:47] <popey> e-jat: we're having a meeting at the moment
[22:47] <e-jat> popey: owh sorry ..
[22:47] <ianto> popey: I have tried increasing more Welsh emails on -uk, it isn't going so well so far on there. There are just too many people on the list and a small minority being Welsh
[22:47] <ianto> It is an impersonal list
[22:48] <popey> its not a case of increasing more welsh mails
[22:48] <popey> it's a case of organising events, doing stuff
[22:48] <popey> not sending mails and counting how many replies there are
[22:48] <popey> which is what you've been doing so far
[22:48] <ianto> I've organised meetings to organise the party :-/
[22:48] <popey> great!
[22:48] <ianto> Isn't that what you said Ia m not doing?
[22:49] <popey> thats precisely what I said you should do..
[22:49] <ianto> Through the -uk list although most people came from lp ^
[22:49] <JanC> that's a start...
[22:49] <popey> ..but.. you're still going ahead with -cym in the background
[22:49] <popey> which is entirely _not_ what we agreed
[22:49] <popey> even though we agreed it should go through -uk
[22:50] <dariusH> i thought we agreed to go ahead with -cym, using the -uk resources (mailing list etc)
[22:50] <popey> so why request a cym list then?
[22:50] <ianto> To make the process easier for the Welsh team I'd have thought
[22:51] <popey> thats my point
[22:51] <popey> the welsh team consists of two guys at the moment
[22:51] <popey> you two
[22:51] <ianto> Not to me
[22:51] <popey> who turned up to the meeting you had last saturday?
[22:51] <popey> you two
[22:51] <ianto> popey: However the channel was full 30mins later
[22:52] <ianto> People who had apologised for losing track of time
[22:52] <popey> by full you mean two more people
[22:52] <popey> anyway, my original point still stands
[22:52] <Ahmuck> how many people are required for a loco ?
[22:52] <popey> I'd like to see confirmation from Jono and/or the cc that ubuntu-cym team should exist
[22:52] <popey> Ahmuck: there is already a loco
[22:53] <Ahmuck> different country
[22:53] <popey> lets not get into the geopolitics
[22:53] <popey> fact is that UK covers Wales
[22:53] <Ahmuck> i'm usa.  my questions is out of context
[22:53] <dariusH> i think the team still needs to develop, and that a mailing list isn't necessary yet.
[22:54] <ianto> I thikn that communicaiton is key to development
[22:54] <popey> I'd recommend that we pass this up to jono. I'm not happy approving a list for a team that I personally believe right now has been formed in bad faith.
[22:54] <popey> Well, Jono or the CC, it's your choice.
[22:54] <juliux> popey: i think we better pass it to the cc, i think it is a general thing
[22:54] <popey> Agreed
[22:54] <popey> If they say "Go go Ubuntu-Cym" then I'll be happy to stand by that.
[22:54] <juliux> popey: and if it goes to the cc it will cover more people
[22:55] <juliux> popey: will you send a mail to the cc?
[22:55] <popey> Sure.
[22:55] <ianto> Can you cc the CC mail to myself?
[22:55] <JanC> I'd prefer if ianto & his friend would just start organising things (and make a Welsh site for Ubuntu) and then come back
[22:56] <ianto> JanC: In the process of acquiring ubuntu-cym.org
[22:56] <ianto> And the wiki is written
[22:56] <popey> We did ask for a welsh translation of ubuntu-uk.org
[22:56] <JanC> ianto: you can't "aquire" it
[22:57] <dariusH> JanC: we are organising a release party, and i would like to organise group events such as presentations once we build the group and people will turn up.
[22:57] <ianto> JanC: To have the DNS key then
[22:57] <popey> ok, so ianto are you happy for me to mail the Community Council, and cc the loco council, and you on this matter?
[22:57] <ianto> popey: Yes if you see it fit
[22:58] <popey> boredandblogging / juliux / JanC / keffie_jayx ?
[22:58] <ianto> We have already done stuff such as emailing the SW Police  about the benefits of Ubuntu when the French police turned  to it and saved 50M
[22:58] <juliux> popey: agreed
[22:59] <JanC> ianto: you can use the ubuntu wiki for now, you know
[22:59] <popey> and the uk mailing list
[22:59] <keffie_jayx> popey, I agree as well.
[22:59] <ianto> JanC: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam ;)
[22:59] <boredandblogging> popey: yup
[23:03] <boredandblogging> ok, thats its for today
[23:03] <boredandblogging> thank you everyone!
[23:03] <aim1159> boredandblogging: thank you!
[23:04] <kwah> good job
[23:04] <kwah> thanks all
[23:34] <hal14450> boredandblogging, thanks for the words of encouragement about the NY team we'll keep plugging away at things here ;-)
[23:36] <popey> awesome!
[23:44] <Ahmuck> what is the minimum requirement for a loco as in people?
[23:45] <hal14450> 2 is a community at the very least right?
[23:45] <Ahmuck> i ask because we have a lug of 9 who are all using ubuntu and we cover a 9 county area
[23:45] <cprofitt> Ahmuck, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamKnowledgeBase
[23:46] <cprofitt> that is there wiki on it...
[23:46] <cprofitt> what country?
[23:46] <pleia2> Ahmuck: county? is this in the US?
[23:46] <Ahmuck> yes, in the US.  were a regional LUG and i promote ubuntu throughout my business and through the LUG
[23:47] <pleia2> Ahmuck: what state?
[23:47] <pleia2> in the US, teams are organized on the state level, so there might already be a team you can be part of :)
[23:48] <nhandler> Could you please move this conversation to #ubuntu-locoteams? The LoCo meeting is over.
[23:49] <Ahmuck> there is. but as far as i know it's inactive
[23:49] <Ahmuck> nhandler: yes
[23:49] <pleia2> Ahmuck: move this to #ubuntu-us or #ubuntu-locoteams?
[23:49] <pleia2> thanks


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[00:54] <handsome_feng> Hi, Could someone in archive admins team help to review the ukui-menus in bionic upload queue? Thanks!
[01:01] <tsimonq2> +1
[01:09] <jbicha> handsome_feng: why haven't you tried uploading it to Debian like the other UKUI packages?
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[04:41] <tsimonq2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1745084
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[06:23] <handsome_feng> jbicha: Sorry for the late reply. because I was told that uploading a new package to Debian may take a long time. We might miss the Debian Import Freeze day. :/
[06:48] <ginggs> handsome_feng: Debian Import Freeze is for automatic freezes, packages can still be imported manually
[06:48] <ginggs> s/automatic freezes/automatic syncs/
[06:51] <handsome_feng> ginggs: Got it, thanks! Since we are focus on ubuntu, I will uploading packages to Debian first next time. :)
[06:55] <cpaelzer> Hi, not sure what else than pinging I'm supposed to do to get an ack/nack on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2017-December/004255.html
[06:56] <cpaelzer> According to the doc "This can be done to any individual member of the SRU team directly, or you can send it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for review."
[06:56] <cpaelzer> so if any one would find the time to look into it, that would be nice to have it in place for 18.04
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[09:31] <cpaelzer> Hi, I killed the last dependencies to dpdk 17.05 in bionic
[09:32] <cpaelzer> is there anything I need to do to clean up the old binaries?
[09:41] <cpaelzer> another thing on proposed migration - latest open-vm-tools dropped a binary (intentionally)
[09:42] <cpaelzer> but now I see it hanging just for said binary in update_excuses
[09:42] <cpaelzer> missing build on arm64: open-vm-tools-dkms (from 2:10.1.15-1build1)
[09:42] <cpaelzer> we want it to be gone, why is this blocking the migration
[09:42] <cpaelzer> sorry for my lack of knowledge on this detail of the migrations :-/
[09:42]  * cpaelzer feels bad
[09:43] <apw> cpaelzer, is dpdk 17.05 and later version in different source packages, if so i think we need a removal-request bug for the old one if it is dead; if it is just an older library version sort of thing, NBS processing will find it
[09:44] <apw> cpaelzer, if you removed a binary, then i believe britney will be waiting on it unless it is helped
[09:45] <cpaelzer> apw: no - same source package
[09:45] <cpaelzer> just the bianries are versioned
[09:45] <apw> cpaelzer, got an example of a binary name that is dead, so i can check it is on the list
[09:45] <cpaelzer> ok then NBS will catch it for the first request
[09:45] <cpaelzer> yeah just a sec
[09:45] <apw> i beliebe it may already be asking me to remove them :)
[09:46] <cpaelzer> librte-ethdev17.05
[09:46] <cpaelzer> is one binary that should (tm) have no dep anymore
[09:46] <apw> yep, that is on the list, so those will indeed be handled "naturally"
[09:46] <cpaelzer> great
[09:46] <cpaelzer> apw: and on the second case - what do you mean with "unless it is helped" ?
[09:47] <apw> cpaelzer, am looking to see about the second one now
[09:47] <cpaelzer> do we need a bug or other thing to ack on the removal of the binary
[09:47] <cpaelzer> ok, waiting for what you find
[09:48] <cpaelzer> btw - it is a dkms module not maintained since 2008 or so, which means dropping is the only right thing to do
[09:48] <cpaelzer> and for the sake of the kernel teams favor - that dkms broke 4.15 autopkgtests so I had Debian remove it "for you" essentially :-)
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[09:49] <apw> cpaelzer, ok in this case it is because you have removed a package which is actually seeded
[09:49] <apw> doh ignore that, i missed
[09:49] <cpaelzer> ok, but now really waiting to hear what you see on "open-vm-tools-dkms"
[09:49] <cpaelzer> the dmks is not
[09:49] <cpaelzer> only the base tools
[09:49] <apw> indeed, i missed, ignore that
[09:51] <apw> ahh it is an _all, ok iirc this is a case where britney cannot tell it can allow this, so it has to be helped
[09:51] <cpaelzer> do you need anything from me to "help it" ?
[09:53] <apw> cpaelzer, nope will get my wet kipper out and do some wacking
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[13:47] <sil2100> Laney: hey! Is request.cgi re-enabled? Or not yet?
[13:47] <Laney> sil2100: not yet, trying to get all the arches working first
[13:48] <sil2100> Laney: ok, thanks :)
[14:19] <tsimonq2> Hi! Could I please get eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1745084 ? I'd really like lubuntu-meta to migrate :)
[14:25]  * didrocks flushes
[14:25] <didrocks> tsimonq2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/1745084/comments/1
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[15:13] <tsimonq2> didrocks: Thank you! :)
[15:19] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:20] <ahasenack> hi, ocfs2-tools autopkgtest won't work on s390x (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/o/ocfs2-tools/bionic/s390x) until upstream fixes https://github.com/markfasheh/ocfs2-tools/issues/22
[15:21] <ahasenack> what's the best course of action here: skip those test, or change the package so that the specific test that is core dumping is skipped?
[16:27] <Laney> ahasenack: the comment in the PR sounds like indicates it doesn't work on big endian arches, is that right?
[16:28] <Laney> If so, might want to consider not building this package there
[16:28] <ahasenack> Laney: the comment does seem to indicate a lot of changes are needed
[16:29] <ahasenack> xnox: do you have more context? ^
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[17:12] <wolsen> any chance to promote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networking-l2gw/+bug/1737040 for artful?
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[17:40] <nacc> Laney: (sorry if I missed it) is request.cgi being re-enabled soon-ish?
[17:41] <nacc> infinity: it would appear src:phpunit-mock-object and src:phpunit need to build together, can you work some AA magic on that?
[17:44] <Laney> nacc: Yeah, I'll probably put it back on tomorrow if everything looks OK.
[17:46] <nacc> Laney: thanks!
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[04:07] <amjjawad> hello release team :) Ubuntu GNOME is not yet showing under: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
[04:07] <amjjawad> when I go to: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds it shows: re-building and it seems idle doing nothing
[04:07] <amjjawad> any advice?
[04:42] <tjaalton> could someone accept libdrm to trusty-updates? has been on -proposed for 7 days now
[06:13] <amjjawad> stgraber, are you around?
[08:14] <Mirv> tjaalton: the bug for libdrm is not marked as verification-done, so I think that might be the reason
[08:14] <tjaalton> huh
[08:15] <tjaalton> ok
[08:15] <tjaalton> done
[08:18] <LocutusOfBorg1> can anybody please process virtualbox? ^^^^ we have already got more than 200 bug reports because of this bug :(
[08:18] <LocutusOfBorg1> I wish I had been subscribed to the bug reports some weeks ago rather than now :s
[08:27] <ara> infinity, hey! still around?
[09:59] <darkxst> stgraber, infinity what is happening with alpha 1 images? I know Ali already pinged about it but really at this point no images == no QA
[10:05] <Riddell> stgraber: new images?
[10:05] <Riddell> darkxst: what's missing?
[10:06] <darkxst> Riddell, we have no images
[10:06] <Riddell> darkxst: who's we?
[10:06] <darkxst> Ubuntu GNOME
[10:06] <darkxst> for alpha 1
[10:07] <Riddell> darkxst: hmm marked rebuilding, presumably that's stuck like that?
[10:08] <darkxst> Riddell, I tried to force a rebuild this morning (some 12+hrs ago) and yes it is stuck
[10:08] <Riddell> not much to do then apart from hope someone with access can unstick it
[10:08] <Riddell> maybe cjwatson would be so good?
[10:13] <cjwatson> this is because somebody WHO HAS NOT YET IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES blatted the crontab
[10:13] <cjwatson> ah, I have at least a slightly more recent version of it in screen history
[10:14] <cjwatson> pre-vivid but should at least let me somewhat restore
[10:16] <cjwatson> Riddell: do you remember which flavours were supposed to be uncronned for alpha 1?
[10:20] <cjwatson> rebuild-requests is doing stuff for vivid now
[10:21] <cjwatson> darkxst: ^-
[10:21] <cjwatson> that looks to be for ubuntu-gnome and ubuntukylin
[10:27] <Riddell> they should be uncronned
[10:29] <Riddell> and kubuntu and lubuntu
[10:29] <cjwatson> ok, just those four?
[10:30] <cjwatson> (done)
[10:37] <darkxst> cjwatson, ok thanks ;)
[10:39] <amjjawad> stgraber, are you around?
[10:40] <amjjawad> not sure if anyone is online at this moment (I'm +11 GMT and it is 9:40pm my time) but we're having a problem with Ubuntu GNOME images http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/326/builds
[10:40] <amjjawad> they got stuck at "re-building"
[10:40] <amjjawad> and they're not showing yet on the A1 page
[10:49] <cjwatson> amjjawad: fixed about twenty minutes ago, they're actually building now
[10:49] <cjwatson> s/twenty/thirty/
[10:50] <amjjawad> cjwatson, many thanks :)
[10:50] <cjwatson> there was a bit of an incident with our crontab
[10:50] <amjjawad> cjwatson, yes, darkxst is telling me that a while ago
[10:50] <amjjawad> but with people like you around cjwatson, we must be very thankful :)
[11:33] <amjjawad> cjwatson, thank you so much :D
[11:33] <cjwatson> np
[12:02] <amjjawad> cjwatson, sorry to disturb you again. Any idea when A1 will be released? I'm +11 GMT and soon, must sleep. Guess it will be ready in 6-8 hours?
[12:02] <cjwatson> amjjawad: Sorry, no idea, I'm not involved in that
[12:03] <cjwatson> amjjawad: I was just disentangling the server side a bit
[12:03] <amjjawad> cjwatson, no problem, thanks for your hard work :)
[14:48] <stgraber> I'm back around now but looks like things have been sorted out
[14:49]  * stgraber wonders what happened to crontab... it was perfectly fine when I left (all participating flavours commented with ### as usual, plasma5 entirely removed (per Riddell's request) and everything else left as it was)
[15:05] <Riddell> stgraber: why the new images today?
[15:07] <stgraber> Riddell: what new images?
[15:07] <Riddell> stgraber: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20141218/
[15:07] <Riddell> stgraber: cronjob breakage?
[15:07] <stgraber> I guess so, I sure didn't trigger anything
[15:08] <Riddell> ah well, gives my code-in students something to keep them busy and out of trouble
[15:08]  * stgraber checks nusakan real quick to know exactly what's in cron now
[15:09] <stgraber> Riddell: I can mangle the DB to get you back the previous build if you want
[15:09] <Riddell> stgraber: no thanks
[15:09] <stgraber> alright
[15:10] <Riddell> I have useful people already mostly through testing
[15:10] <stgraber> perfect
[15:11] <cjwatson> stgraber: sergiusens was asked to comment out a line in crontab, misunderstood the warning at the top, and so edited /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/etc/crontab and ran "crontab /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/etc/crontab"
[15:11] <cjwatson> stgraber: please do put it back the way you think it should be, as the rest of us were going from memory ...
[15:11] <stgraber> crontab looks fine with the exception of plasma5 which re-appeared, I killed it again so we should be good now (I'll commit that change to bzr since it does make sense in there)
[15:11] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:11] <cjwatson> IWBNI system-image ran under a separate user so that it could have its own crontab
[15:12] <cjwatson> and maybe rebuild-requests should go in bzr
[15:12] <stgraber> agreed and would also allow splitting access on nusakan so people who shouldn't mess with either system-image or cdimage, well, can't
[15:12] <cjwatson> yup
[15:13] <stgraber> yeah, rebuild-requests should be in bzr, I'll add it there
[15:13] <cjwatson> thanks
[15:13] <cjwatson> there may be stuff near the bottom that got lost; unfortunately the only screen history I had mentioning crontab -l output didn't go all the way down
[15:13] <cjwatson> hopefully not much
[15:14] <stgraber> did your screen history contain the system-image importer?
[15:14] <stgraber> if so, then you're good because that's been the last line of crontab for a long time now
[15:15] <gaughen> slangasek, cjwatson, infinity, stgraber would one of you pretty pretty pretty please push this sru through - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1386144
[15:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1386144 in juju-core (Ubuntu Trusty) "juju-core 1.20.11 is not packaged in Ubuntu" [Medium,Fix committed]
[15:17] <cjwatson> stgraber: no, only up to rebuild-requests
[15:17] <cjwatson> gaughen: I think I'll pass since it's my last day in ~ubuntu-sru ;-)
[15:18] <cjwatson> oh, wait, that's just a release, I can manage that
[15:18] <gaughen> cjwatson, oh come on! it could be one last hurrah
[15:18] <gaughen> cool, thank you cjwatson!
[15:19] <cjwatson> gaughen: there's a special condition listed in that bug description which I don't know how to verify
[15:19] <cjwatson> "it should not land in trusty-updates or vivid until upstream passes QA on our proposed binaries, published 1.20.11 tools in their stable simplestream and announces the release for general production use"
[15:19] <cjwatson> could you confirm the simplestream bit?
[15:20] <cjwatson> actually I guess that's confirmed later in the bug description, isn't it
[15:20]  * gaughen looks
[15:20] <cjwatson> gaughen: ok, done
[15:21] <gaughen> cjwatson, thank you!
[16:07] <stgraber> Riddell: so any idea when you want to announced alpha-1?
[16:07] <stgraber> so far only Kylin appear to be ready for publishing
[16:07] <Riddell> my guys still testing i386 but I guess that'll be done in an hour or two
[16:08] <Riddell> ypwong: how's kylin?
[16:08] <Riddell> amjjawad disappeared
[16:08] <Riddell> Odd_Bloke: how's cloud?
[16:09] <Riddell> I'll start writing the announcement shortly
[16:09] <Riddell> it's the office christmas party sometime so I need to go and buy some cava, got to get priorities
[16:10] <stgraber> Riddell: ok. I'll keep an eye for things being marked ready and once they all are (or if you tell me that we'll just skip some flavours), I'll do the publishing, then about an hour later you can announce
[16:10] <stgraber> haha :)
[16:10] <Odd_Bloke> Riddell: Cloud is ready.
[16:10] <Riddell> great Odd_Bloke
[16:10] <ypwong> Riddell, kylin is ready
[16:12] <Riddell> oh yes thanks ypwong you marked that
[16:12] <elfy> Riddell: afaik amjjawad is in Oz timezone now - as is Tim (darkxst - if that's the nick)
[16:12] <Riddell> it's wxl we need to hear from for lubuntu
[16:13] <elfy> just saw mention of amjjawad - thought I'd tell you what I know
[16:13] <Riddell> thanks elfy
[16:14] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke: did you guys change things for this cycle or was there a problem with publishing the cloud entries to the QA tracker?
[16:14]  * elfy can put his feet up for this milestone
[16:14] <stgraber> Odd_Bloke: we usually get them all published at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds and then marked ready when you've tested them. I believe you usually have those bits automated.
[16:15] <Odd_Bloke> stgraber: There was a problem publishing them.
[16:22] <wxl> Riddell: lemme see
[16:23] <Riddell> best quote I can find.. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Penn_Radio#Shorter_Memorable_Goudeau_Quips "PENN: (reading from a gmail) "... apparently vervets are a kind of monkey with white fur and red and blue genitals. According to the web site that linked this, you should see it salute!" So there is even a patriotic monkey. Cause God loves the USA.
[16:23] <wxl> i'm going to call it good to go, Riddell. we have some weird issues with an intel mac in there, but i'm going to say go for it.
[16:24] <wxl> ping me if you need anything else
[16:25] <cjwatson> ok, I wasn't going to get involved in this release but do you really think having a monkey-genitals joke in the release announcement is suitable?
[16:27] <Riddell> cjwatson: fits in with the original ubuntu ethos no?
[16:28] <infinity> Riddell: It's been a while since we shipped porn^Werotic art to everyone.
[16:29] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'm not sure Mark's dubious sense of humour is quite a one-to-one mapping with the original Ubuntu ethos
[16:30] <Riddell> :)
[16:33] <Riddell> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6959209.stm "The monkeys grab their breasts, and gesture at us while pointing at their private parts" I think these animals may just be obsessed with genitals
[16:43] <infinity> Riddell: Most primates are.
[16:46] <Riddell> wxl: got any release notes or annoucement url?
[16:46] <wxl> Riddell: that i need to work on. i need an hr or so :(
[16:46] <mlankhorst> infinity: can you accept lts-utopic?
[16:47] <infinity> mlankhorst: You mean the dozens of X packages, or some specific thing?
[16:48] <infinity> mlankhorst: slangasek was suppose to be finding a victim to do the overrides and review, it's not as simple as "just accept it blindly".
[16:48] <Riddell> wxl: great
[16:49] <Riddell> how's this? http://pad.ubuntu.com/vivid-alpha-1
[16:49] <infinity> mlankhorst: But if no victim is found, it'll be me.  I just need to make time.
[17:02] <mlankhorst> infinity: yeah figured as much :p
[18:00] <wxl> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/Alpha1/Lubuntu
[18:05] <Riddell> yay
[18:06] <Riddell> waiting on 1 more kubuntu test and a gnome person to wake up
[18:17] <Riddell> kubuntu ready
[18:19] <Riddell> stgraber: I think you can start to publish
[18:19] <Riddell> hopefully darkxst will take up soon and confirm for gnome
[18:43] <Riddell> or infinity ↑
[20:31] <Riddell> stgraber, infinity: nudge?
[20:32] <stgraber> Riddell: oh crap, right, will do it now
[20:32] <darkxst> Riddell, sorry just woke up
[20:32] <stgraber> sorry, stuck in meetings and other fun activities
[20:33] <darkxst> Things look ok, given the very short time our team had for testing
[20:34] <stgraber> Riddell: source image is building now, that typically takes about 30min, once that's done, I'll publish. Then you can decide whether you want to wait for bittorrent to be done importing (about an hour) or just release immediately.
[21:05] <Riddell> stgraber: groovy
[21:05] <Riddell> christmas party going on here so no rush
[21:05] <stgraber> still waiting for cron.sources...
[21:06]  * Riddell goes to open the cava
[21:09] <infinity> Riddell: If publishing is underway, can I drop your freeze block?
[21:11] <infinity> Guess I should wait until cron.source is done.
[21:12] <stgraber> well, it's past the part where it gets the source packages, so it should be fine
[21:12] <infinity> Oh, indeed, the ISOs are all done, just making zsync bits.
[21:12] <infinity> Riddell: Dropping your block, then. :P
[21:21] <stgraber> cron.sources done, publishing now
[21:29] <Riddell> infinity: groovy
[21:32] <wxl> Riddell: when do we plan on seeing an official release announcement?
[21:33] <stgraber> wxl: publishing is in progress, then anytime after that
[21:34] <stgraber> I'm almost done with publishing, so the files will be on cdimage in ~10min, then that's whenever Riddell is ready
[21:36] <stgraber> gah, the source build didn't publish where it should, again... let me fix that by hand
[21:38] <stgraber> fixed, publishing source now
[21:46] <stgraber> Riddell: and publishing finally finished. Things should look good now, let me know if anything doesn't.
[21:46] <stgraber> and sorry for the bumpy ride this week, alpha-1 is always a bit rough but the crontab mess really didn't help...
[21:58] <Riddell> wxl: I'll post it now
[21:59] <wxl> Riddell: thx
[22:01] <Riddell> needs someone to approve I guess
[22:01] <Riddell> infinity: ↑
[22:14] <infinity> Riddell: I don't suppose you want to re-send it without the typo in the subject line? ;)
[22:15] <infinity> Riddell: And maybe s/out for Testing/Released/, as the former implies it's not actually released yet. :P
[22:15] <infinity> Riddell: If neither of those things bugs you, I can just accept it.
[22:15] <Riddell> infinity: ok hang on
[22:17] <Riddell> infinity: sent
[22:21] <infinity> Riddell: Accepted.


[00:30] <mamarley> It looks like the AMD64 build of the 4.5.4 mainline kernel failed: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.5.4-yakkety/BUILD.LOG.amd64
[02:29] <kees> we need a new x86_64 flavor that disables CONFIG_COMPAT. :)
[02:33] <mamarley> Another thing I have noticed is that the 4.6-rc mainline builds have CONFIG_GOLDFISH_BUS=y, which causes "genirq: Flags mismatch irq 4. 00000000 (serial) vs. 00000080 (goldfish_pdev_bus)" and breaks serial.
[08:52] <apw> mamarley, yep, nothing which builds in yakkety works right now, the compiler changed to enable pie by default
[10:09] <mamarley> apw: How does it decide what to build on which distribution?
[10:10] <apw> mamarley, it is nominally version based.  the nearest ubuntu distribution to the version it is trying to build
[10:11] <mamarley> Ah, OK.
[10:11] <apw> mamarley, more accuratly the configurations it uses are from the nearest ubuntu release tag it can find, and it builds in the same release that that configuration came from
[10:12] <mamarley> So this is the same bug that is preventing DKMS from compiling kernel modules on Yakkety?
[10:13] <apw> mamarley, yes the same one.  DKMS should start working with the next copy forward kernel from X, as we have fixed it there)
[10:13] <apw> mamarley, but that does not fix mainline builds whihc also do not yet have that patch applied
[10:14] <apw> changing compiler defaults is bloody confusing to the world
[10:14] <apw> it is possible i can turn it off from outside, i've not yet tried that
[10:17] <mamarley> apw: While I've got you, it also looks like CONFIG_GOLDFISH_BUS is enabled in the 4.6 kernel configuration.  I know I can't file a bug on it yet, but that driver attaches to the UART and breaks serial.
[10:18] <apw> mamarley, oh you can file a bug on it, indeed for something which breaks things a reason bug is always useful
[10:18] <mamarley> Ah, OK.  I will do that then.
[10:18] <apw> if you do it now and tell me the number i'll get ti changed and then any reruns we do will have it off (for the mainline builds)
[10:26] <mamarley> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1580960
[10:42] <apw> well that is special we have CONFIG_X86_GOLDFISH off, and CONFIG_GOLDFISH which _depends_ on it and therefore cannot be y unless it is, is y
[10:42] <apw> which is kinda impossible in theory
[10:42] <apw> and yet is not impossible in practice apparenlty
[10:44] <mamarley> Yeah, it looked weird.  It definitely breaks serial though.
[10:46] <mamarley> I guess the configuration will just need to manually specify "n" for all the goldfish stuff then?
[10:48] <apw> yep fixing it isn't the issue, trying to work out why the thing has not self-healed like it should
[10:52] <apw> mamarley, ok pushed for when i get the other fixes in
[10:52] <mamarley> Thanks :)
[10:54] <apw> i suppose i could switch all yakkety builds back to xenial or something in the interim
[11:01] <mamarley> apw: Yeah, that would at least keep them working for now.
[11:01] <apw> and my inbox full of people moaning they are on the wrong version
[11:01] <apw> then agian it is going to be full of people moaning they don't work anyhow
[11:02] <mamarley> Silly people :/
[11:32]  * ricotz is happily using the 4.6 builds from kernel ppa with nvidia blob
[11:32] <mamarley> Yeah, the -wily ones build amd64 and work fine, unless you have a device attached to a built-in serial port.  That should be fixed for the next one though.
[11:34] <mamarley> And that should be this weekend, unless the switch from building on Yakkety to Xenial rebuilds the ones that have already been built.
[11:34] <mamarley> (Since 4,6 will be released officially this weekend, unless Linus changes his mind.)
[12:07] <apw> mamarley, i may have fixed the pie issue, am rebuilding a 4.6-rc7 to find out
[12:07] <mamarley> Thanks :)
[13:02] <apw> mamarley, and those rebuilds look better
[13:44] <mamarley> Yay!
[13:49] <mamarley> I really appreciate your quick response.
[13:50] <apw> mamarley, np, it heads of every increasing howls in my inbox :)


[07:42] <zap0> hi, i have a netbook  running 18.04  i read somewhere i could do:  sudo do-release-upgrade
[07:42] <zap0> i tried that, and it said there is no new
[07:42] <zap0> is this not how it's done?
[07:44] <lynorian> zap0 18.04 to 18.10 can be quite a wierd job and is not officialy supported since 18.10 uses lxqt and 18.04 is still the gtk2 lxde
[07:44] <lynorian> well 18.04 is lts so you have to tell it to check for every new version
[07:44] <zap0> ah ok.
[07:45] <lynorian> https://manual.lubuntu.me/D/upgrading.html is if you really want to go through with this
[07:45] <zap0> as long as i update regularly is there really any reasons to upgrade to 18.10 then?
[07:45] <lynorian> do you want to use LXQt
[07:46] <lynorian> over LXDE
[07:46] <zap0> i have no need for that.
[07:46] <lynorian> then 18.04 probably makes more sense for that case
[07:47] <zap0> ok. thank you.   appreciate the sage advice.
[11:12] <onla> Hey. I am trying to find how I am running ibus anthy automatically on boot. I have lubuntu 14.04 (sys v init I guess) and i3 window manager. For example where are the files that are added originally from Open System > Preferences > Startup Applications
[11:12] <onla> or similar
[11:45] <Yohkii> Hey I get some random stutters in my video playback with mpv on Lubuntu 18.10 with Intel HD Graphics 5500 GPU. Any idea how to troubleshoot this?
[11:46] <leszek> Yohkii: I am suprised it is only a video problem. Usually on modern intel gpus nothing works as expected anymore
[11:46] <Yohkii> :C
[11:46] <leszek> The intel driver is utter crap and modesettings breaks here and there aswell
[11:46] <Yohkii> The strange thing is I can play the same bit of video twice and the stutter only happens the first time
[11:47] <leszek> so up until sandy bridge (Intel HD3000) you can use the intel driver everything after it and it runs like ......
[11:47] <leszek> Yohkii: try another backend maybe for the video acceleration
[11:47] <leszek> mpv should use opengl by default I suppose. Try vaapi if available or even the old xv
[11:48] <Yohkii> tried both vaapi and xv, takes a bit longer to stutter but still happens
[11:48] <Yohkii> The console don't really report anyhing when it happens, it just seems to count two/three seconds really fast all of a sudden
[11:49] <Yohkii> CPU reports >10% usage on all cores too, so I just don't get it
[11:49] <leszek> ok thats weird then. Does it happen with another video player like vlc aswell?
[11:50] <Yohkii> Same thing with vlc
[11:51] <Yohkii> I'll try some different output optins in VLC, I guess
[11:53] <leszek> Yohkii: otherwise also install inxi and give me the output of inxi -G
[11:53] <Yohkii> Graphics:  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel
[11:53] <Yohkii>            Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.1 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
[11:53] <Yohkii>            resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
[11:53] <Yohkii>            OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics 5500 (Broadwell GT2) v: 4.5 Mesa 18.2.2
[12:09] <Yohkii> Thanks, I'll try that
[13:11] <Yohkii> Now only audio output is jumpy, and less often...
[16:37] <Wick> Hello
[16:38] <wxl> just saying hi?
[16:40] <Wick> I need help
[16:40] <wxl> !ask
[16:41] <Wick> !patience
[16:41] <Wick> Thank's
[16:42] <Wick> I'm in lubuntu 18.10 and I'm forced to start telegram via Terminal, because in the menu it does not appear to me, how can I solve it? I have already tried to uninstall and reinstall but I have not solved it.
[16:43] <wxl> how did you install it?
[16:43] <Wick> sudo apt-get install telegram
[16:44] <wxl> you mean telegram-desktop?
[16:44] <Wick> or sudo apt-get install telegram-desktop
[16:44] <Wick> Yes telegram-desktop
[16:44] <wxl> if that installed correctly you should have a /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop
[16:45] <Wick> Permission denided
[16:45] <Wick> denied *
[16:46] <wxl> permission denied doing what?
[16:46] <Wick> I tried to search /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop in the terminal, but it tells me permission denied
[16:52] <wxl> yeah i can't reprorudce that behavior
[16:53] <wxl> how did you try to search?
[16:55] <Wick> by writing to the /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop terminal
[16:56] <wxl> you mean you entered in:
[16:56] <wxl> /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop
[16:56] <wxl> and hit enter?
[16:56] <Wick> yes
[16:56] <wxl> apparently you're not familiar with the terminal, as that does not search, but attempts to execute it
[16:57] <wxl> you can use the `cat` command before it to list its contents
[17:06] <Wick> [Desktop Entry]
[17:06] <Wick> Version=1.0
[17:06] <Wick> Name=Telegram Desktop
[17:06] <Wick> Comment=Official desktop version of Telegram messaging app
[17:06] <Wick> Exec=telegram-desktop -- %u
[17:06] <Wick> Icon=telegram
[17:08] <Wick> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yyjVsvWs5M/
[17:33] <wxl> Wick: it has no "Category" key?
[17:34] <wxl> Catgories, that is
[17:35] <wxl> here's the file from debian, which should be consistent with ubuntu https://salsa.debian.org/debian/telegram-desktop/blob/debian/master/lib/xdg/telegramdesktop.desktop
[17:36] <wxl> with the Network category, it should end up in network
[17:37] <Wick> it is identical
[17:37] <wxl> based on the version number, it doesn't seem ubuntu has made any changes to the debian package
[17:38] <Wick> uhm
[17:38] <wxl> so look in the "Internet" category
[17:39] <Wick> there is not...
[17:39] <wxl> even across reboots?
[17:40] <Wick> Exact
[17:42] <wxl> weird
[17:42] <wxl> works for me
[17:43] <wxl> in a terminal do `ls -al /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop | awk '{print $1, $3, $4}'`
[17:43] <wxl> what do you get from that?
[17:46] <Wick> -rw-r--r-- root root
[17:47] <wxl> and that all looks good
 whats minimum space required for 18.10?
 for VM
[17:49] <wxl> we don't really publish minimums but 8gb should be sufficient
 no no I meant space
[17:50] <wxl> disk space, right?
 ye !
[17:50] <wxl> that's the question i responded to
 you did
 thansk
[17:51] <wxl> Wick: does `desktop-file-validate /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop` return anything?
[17:54] <wxl> 3 times now i have installed the telegram-desktop deb package. each time it immediately adds the "Telegram Desktop" entry in the "Internet" category between "Quassel IRC" and "Trojitá." each time, i purged it and it was immediately removed.
[17:55] <wxl> is it possible you installed the snap package instead?
[17:57] <Wick> I do not think I installed telegram with sudo apt-get install telegram-desktop
[17:57] <wxl> how did you install it?
[17:58] <Wick> terminal
[17:58] <wxl> then you either did that or you installed the snap package
[17:59] <Wick> that i remember no...
[17:59] <wxl> which would generally involve you using the snap command rather than apt
[17:59] <wxl> are you saying you don't remember/
[18:00] <Wick> Remember to have installed telegram only through the command: sudo apt-get install telegram-desktop
[18:00] <wxl> if that's the case, i have repeated the same exact behavior and it works fine for me
[18:00] <wxl> at least on 18.10
[18:02] <Wick> um ... then are you done to completely remove telegram-desktop from Lubuntu? I reinstall it maybe I "appears"
[18:03] <wxl> i'm having trouble understanding you but to completely remove it and all dependencies you would do:
[18:03] <wxl> sudo apt purge telegram-desktop
[18:03] <wxl> sudo apt autoremove
[18:05] <Wick> now reinstall telegram ?
[18:05] <wxl> again, i did an install and then that 3 times over and each time it did what it was supposed to
[18:05] <wxl> if your intention is to uninstall and reinstall, then yes, you would `sudo apt install telegram-desktop`
[18:07] <Wick> there is not telegram on Internet >_<
[18:08] <wxl> are you sure you have 18.10?
[18:08] <wxl> `lsb_release -r` should tell you
[18:08] <wxl> also it might be interesting to see what `apt-cache policy telegram-desktop` tells you.
[18:13] <Wick> yes 'im sure 18.10
[18:13] <wxl> is it a fresh install or an upgrade?
[18:13] <wxl> and you're sure this is lubuntu? XD
[18:14] <Wick> Hahahahahaha,  yes lubuntu 18.10
[18:14] <wxl> fresh install or upgrade?
[18:14] <Wick> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Ww5QB8MPJ8/
[18:15] <Wick> fresh install
[18:15] <wxl> yeah i'm at a loss
[18:15] <wxl> everything looks normal from what i can tell
[18:16] <wxl> a bug that can't be reproduced is, sadly, an unfixable bug :/
[18:16] <wxl> try copying that .desktop file to your Desktop folder
[18:16] <wxl> you might be able to double click it there
[18:17] <wxl> alternately move it to ~/.local/share/applications, though i bet you'll have to chown it to your ownership
[18:18] <Wick> Telegram is not on the desktop,
[18:19] <wxl> copy it there
[18:19] <Wick> launch 'telegram-desktop' on terminal
[18:21] <Wick> what should i copy ?
[18:21] <Wick> sorry >_<
[18:21] <wxl> /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop
[18:22] <Wick> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sCJwkQ8tYv/
[18:22] <wxl> no
[18:22] <wxl> copy the file
[18:22] <apt-ghetto> cat /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop > ~/.local/share/applications
[18:22] <wxl> paste the file in your desktop folder
[18:22] <apt-ghetto> then you do not have to change any permissions
[18:24] <Wick> tells me /home/name/.local/share/applications: it's a directory
[18:25] <wxl> XD
[18:26] <wxl> https://share.riseup.net/#etM3vb2tlgkEuH6lsCsFLQ
[18:27] <apt-ghetto> sorry: `cat /usr/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop >
[18:27] <apt-ghetto>              ~/.local/share/applications/telegramdesktop.desktop`
[18:30] <Wick> ok wxl, done
[18:30] <wxl> which is done?
[18:30] <Wick> i copied telegram to the desktop
[18:30] <wxl> so if you did everything i showed in that video, you should just be able to use it.. as i showed in the video
[18:31] <Wick> yes i can use it
[18:32] <wxl> horray
[18:32] <wxl> well we didn't solve the problem of getting the menu item to work, but at least you don't have to use the terminal to launch it
[18:33] <Wick> yes.... thank :D
[18:33] <wxl> np
[18:34] <Wick> thanks again! see you next time, bye bye
[18:34] <wxl> take care
[18:35] <Wick> i will learn
[18:35] <Wick> :)
[21:34] <sappheiros> Can you get the video at https://www.reddit.com/r/KidsAreFuckingStupid/comments/9smwye/little_brother_tried_to_impress_me/?st=jnw9157w&sh=aa8bc55c to load? Should I report this as a bug?
[21:35] <sappheiros> Even if I select 240p, the video image stops moving, while the playback status bar progresses as if the video is playing -- it's acting like the video's too much for this computer to handle, but the CPU and memory I'm sure are not maxed out ...
[21:35] <sappheiros> ... no, actually the CPU shows max in ctrl+alt+del window
[21:36] <sappheiros> (with the 2 GB RAM ~75% full)
[21:36] <sappheiros> when i close that video the CPU drops back down to ~30% (1.6 GHz CPU I think). so it seems that video maxes out the CPU and fails to render properly. is this a 1.6 GHz limitation? or should it be working?
[21:37] <sappheiros> (1.66 GHz)
[21:37] <sappheiros> (Intel T2300)
 in chromium worked for me
 remember that hw acceleration is not available in firefox nor chromium in linux
 you could try to get the video url (in this case https://v.redd.it/3ubh991b4bv11/HLSPlaylist.m3u8 ) and play it in vlc which has hw acceleration


[16:26] <CarlFK> Where can I find pxe bootable installer?  like what is described https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/netboot-amd64