[15:11] <Turl> hi newz2000, I saw firefox's index is fixed :)
[15:12] <newz2000> hi Turl, yes, I noticed it yesterday
[15:12] <newz2000> it was actually published last week (thursday or friday) so I'm surprised it took so long
[15:12] <newz2000> I think it was due to our aggressive caching during the release period
[15:13] <Turl> I still wonder why sometimes, when I open firefox, another ubuntu page loads
[15:14] <newz2000> it's the offline start page for when no network connection is detected
[15:14] <Turl> but I have connection :p
[15:15] <newz2000> is it the page that looks kind of gold coloured at the top?
[15:15] <Turl> it's one that talks about ubuntu and has links for the community and similar
[15:15] <Turl> chrome://ubufox/... or sth similar is the url
[15:15] <newz2000> this? http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[15:15] <newz2000> oh
[15:16] <newz2000> chrome://... is the offline start page
[15:16] <Turl> not that one
[15:16] <Turl> strange then
[15:16] <newz2000> the test is very simple, it looks for a response to  acertain website within a certain short period, and if the website doesn't respond quick enough it gives you the offline page
[15:16] <Turl> maybe it's 'cause I use wifi? :p
[15:16] <Turl> what site, btw?
[15:16] <newz2000> I think start.ubuntu.com
[15:18] <Turl> btw, I have an idea for the download page, to simplify it a bit without much recoding
[15:18] <Turl> it's a meantime solution, lets say
[15:18]  * newz2000 is eager to hear
[15:19] <Turl> you could group the mirrors in countries, like aaa.com, bbb.com and ccc.com are from USA and aaa.com.ar bbb.com.ar are from Argentina
[15:19] <Turl> and then show a list of the available countries
[15:19] <Turl> so the user just chooses his/her country, or one nearby
[15:20] <newz2000> that is a good idea
[15:20] <newz2000> That would make the list far simpler and shorter
[15:21] <Turl> you should put a notice however, that the country is needed for mirror selection (well, use more "simple" words, people don't even need to know what a mirror is), because if not some paranoid people might think you are gathering info, spying on them or sth.
[15:22] <newz2000> yeah, there's been a lot of debate on the "correct" amount of text.
[15:22] <newz2000> we decided to have very little this tiem around
[15:23] <newz2000> right now it says, "Choose a download location near you" Can you suggest better wording to replace or add to that?
[15:25] <Turl> mhm, you could write "Choose your country (or one nearby) to download from" if you implement the country list system
[15:27] <Turl> I'm not a native speaker nor have any high degree in English, so I'm surely not the best person to have a thought on that
[15:27] <newz2000> I understand, I just was curious the keywords you felt were lacking
[15:28] <newz2000> so switching to a coutntry based system and communicating to people that they need to choose a country is your goal.
[15:28] <newz2000> I think that's a very good idea.
[15:28] <newz2000> Maybe "Download from a country near you."
[15:28] <Turl> that sounds good
[15:28] <newz2000> There are a lot of countries not in the list so many people will have to choose a nearby country.
[15:29] <Turl> maybe highlight the fact that downloading from a nearby country is faster?
[15:29] <newz2000> ah, good suggestion
[15:29] <newz2000> Very good suggestion
[15:30] <Turl> "Download faster from a country near you." doesn't sound good though. maybe include it in another paragraph on the right/under the list, or in a tooltip?
[15:30] <newz2000> Turl: in South America, if your country wasn't chosen what would you do, choose from a neighbor or choose from USA?
[15:30] <newz2000> say Peru or Brazil, or USA?
[15:31] <Turl> I have experience downloading from neighbour countries, so I'd choose USA. Usually latin american countries have low-bandwith connections.
[15:32] <newz2000> that's what I thought
[15:32] <newz2000> That's so hard to communicate and the impact can be quite severe (so I've heard)
[15:32] <Turl> and if there was an option to download from europe, I'd do that either.
[15:32] <newz2000> you would or would not do that?
[15:33] <Turl> instead, sorry :p
[15:33] <newz2000> ah, interesting... europe is faster than USA for you?
[15:33] <Turl> yep, I think there's a direct network link from america-europe?
[15:34] <Turl> well, all of them download the same if you use a download manager though :p
[15:36] <newz2000> Latin America and Africa are two very odd places when calculating downloads. For Africa the rules are easy (choose Europe) because there are fewer people downloading and there just isn't a logical choice unless you're in south africa.
[15:36] <newz2000> Latin america however has tons of Ubuntu users and interest and the rules for ideal bandwidth seem to be very complex
[15:36] <Turl> there's a site that shows the world traffic
[15:37] <Turl> here http://www.internettrafficreport.com/
[15:38] <newz2000> very interesting stuff
[15:40] <Turl> you see, we have very low packet loss :p http://www.internettrafficreport.com/samerica.htm
[15:41] <newz2000> I see
[15:41] <Turl> quite high in North America http://www.internettrafficreport.com/namerica.htm :O
[17:17] <huayra> hello everyone
[17:17] <huayra> newz2000, I need some advice :)
[17:17] <newz2000> hey huayra
[17:17] <huayra> SpreadUbuntu went life with 0.1
[17:17] <huayra> and we have been having performance problems
[17:18] <huayra> http://ubuntu.ec/su/drupal5/
[17:18] <AliTabuger7> his server is maxed out on both RAM and swap
[17:18] <huayra> hard reboot every 12 hours is not the idea of my ideal site
[17:18] <huayra> so, we want to make some performance tweaks
[17:18] <huayra> and see how that goes
[17:18] <huayra> that's why we are here :)
[17:18] <huayra> so, the info:
[17:19] <huayra> The server is hosting 2 drupal instances and 2 other sites (little to none traffic in all of them besides SpreadUbuntu)
[17:19] <AliTabuger7> it's 256 mb of ram, and 512 of swap. I believe that adding more swap will help performance in the short run. Having 0 available memory cripples the system. Of course this would have to be coupled with ways to reduce memory usage.
[17:20] <huayra> I made a report for 30 seconds ago with webalizer so you can see the load, visits, etc
[17:20] <huayra> http://ubuntu.ec/webalizer/
[17:21] <huayra> For november specifically: http://ubuntu.ec/webalizer/usage_200811.html
[17:23] <huayra> so, what can we do to improve our performance?
[17:26] <huayra> and the server runs of course ubuntu :)
[17:46] <newz2000> huayra: so the site is running slow?
[17:46] <newz2000> (sorry for delay, I was focused on another task and didn't see the conversation window)
[17:46] <huayra> not now, but when there is too much load it takes ages to get the page up
[17:46] <huayra> but the server never dies(tm), but in practice it does :(
[17:47] <huayra> (it's ok :))
[17:47] <newz2000> right
[17:47] <newz2000> do you know if you are using the mpm worker module or the mpm prefork module for apache?
[17:48] <huayra> let me check
[17:49] <huayra> I should see that in apache.conf right?
[17:49] <huayra> apache2.conf
[17:49] <newz2000> just a moment
[17:56] <huayra> ok
[17:56] <newz2000> huayra: ok, I'm avail
[17:57] <huayra> good :)
[17:57] <newz2000> I'm not sure how to tell which mpm module is enabled
[17:57] <huayra> where can it e seen?
[17:57] <huayra> I am sure i have seen it somewhere
[17:57] <newz2000> There is probably a package installed, apache2-mpm-(something)
[17:57] <newz2000> or something like that
[17:58] <newz2000> dpkg -l apache2-mpm*
[17:58] <newz2000> (that's a little L)
[17:58] <newz2000> that will list the modules, the installed one will have a version number listed
[17:59] <huayra> prefork
[17:59] <huayra> I'm in aptitude
[17:59] <huayra> ;)
[18:00] <newz2000> ok, now look in /etc/apach2/apache2.conf
[18:00] <newz2000> scroll down to the preform mpm section
[18:00] <huayra> want the dump?
[18:00] <newz2000> no
[18:00] <newz2000> what is max_clients set to?
[18:01] <huayra> 50
[18:01] <huayra> I did change that to 25, but in worker MPM, not prefork :(
[18:01] <huayra> shall I put a different value there?
[18:01] <newz2000> I'm looking at the stats you linked to
[18:01] <newz2000> I see a huge spike on Nov 10th
[18:02] <newz2000> was that a period when your server was overwhelmed?
[18:02] <huayra> it may have been
[18:03] <huayra> we released yesterday and announced to all LoCo teams, marketing people and I posted it in the planet
[18:03] <huayra> so I guess it may have something to do with that
[18:03] <newz2000> is it possible for you to run webalizer on just the log file from the 10th?
[18:03] <huayra> the server went down yesterday at about 18.00 UTC
[18:03] <huayra> and tonight at 00.30 UTC
[18:04] <huayra> I guess so, but I have only one file.
[18:04] <huayra> :|
[18:04] <newz2000> Just do a grep to get the lines out from the 10th into a new log file and then run it on that
[18:04] <huayra> I did see though in the errors log that the max_clients value was reached
[18:05] <newz2000> I'm trying to figure out if we're barking up the wrong tree
[18:05] <newz2000> the numbers you're hitting are lower than I'd expect to be crushing your server
[18:08] <huayra> there it is
[18:08] <huayra> http://ubuntu.ec/webalizer/
[18:09] <huayra> just the 10th
[18:09] <huayra> I have made a file for the 11th too if you want to see
[18:09] <newz2000> 5600 hits per hour was your peak on the 10th. That's pretty low. :-/
[18:10] <newz2000> Its busy, don't get me wrong
[18:10] <newz2000> but a modern server can handle more than 1.5 hits/sec usually
[18:10] <huayra> it's ok
[18:10] <huayra> it may be something else
[18:10] <newz2000> so you're hitting swap when the load goes up?
[18:10] <huayra> yes
[18:11] <huayra> it uses up ALL resources
[18:11] <huayra> and bye
[18:11] <huayra> want to see the log for the 11th just to see what caused it to fall the last time?
[18:11] <newz2000> sure
[18:12] <huayra> see the webalizer overview now
[18:12] <newz2000> not as high as the peak on the 10th
[18:13] <huayra> ok
[18:14] <huayra> mmm, I have put drupal to make a cache every hour
[18:14] <newz2000> what's your site's url again?
[18:14] <huayra> http://ubuntu.ec/su/drupal5/the message I almost always
[18:14] <huayra> http://ubuntu.ec/su/drupal5/
[18:14] <huayra> sorry
[18:16] <newz2000> whenever I try to go to SpreadUbuntu.com It sends me to ubuntu.com
[18:16] <huayra> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/70603/
[18:17] <huayra> yeah, spreadubuntu.com is not our URL yet
[18:17] <huayra> we must have the code ready
[18:17] <huayra> and then we can ask for the DNS redirection
[18:17] <newz2000> ok, I see a big prob
[18:17] <newz2000> you're using drupal to server static files
[18:17] <huayra> right now it is only a test site
[18:17] <newz2000> for example this url: http://ubuntu.ec/su/drupal5/?q=en/system/files/imagecache/-t64/Poster_English_Ubuntu_export_version_openversion_smalljpeg[1].jpg
[18:18] <huayra> yes
[18:19] <huayra> what shall we do?
[18:19] <huayra> no 1 hour cache?
[18:20] <newz2000> there is a setting in drupal that lets you serve the files directly instead of via drupal
[18:20] <huayra> yes, let me check
[18:20] <huayra> oh, but then we cannot count them...
[18:20] <newz2000> true
[18:21] <newz2000> unless you use webalizer
[18:22] <huayra> ok
[18:22] <newz2000> The other option is to add more ram
[18:22] <newz2000> that will help a lot
[18:23] <huayra> 512 will be enough you think?
[18:23] <newz2000> It will help a lot.
[18:23] <huayra> good answer ;)
[18:23] <newz2000> The other option is to turn off the bells and whistles. I think that would help a lot too but then you lose functionality
[18:24] <huayra> yeah, the ells and whistles are alpha and omega in a marketing site ;)
[18:24] <huayra> but maybe just sing public access for files in general would make a big difference
[18:24] <huayra> Download method:
[18:24] <huayra> Public - files are available using HTTP directly.
[18:24] <huayra> Private - files are transferred by Drupal.
[18:25] <huayra> this is what you mean, right?
[18:25] <newz2000> yes, correct
[18:25] <huayra> I think I will try that
[18:25] <huayra> I can't stand seeing the site go down again
[18:25] <huayra> but if I activate the option again, the it regains the possibility to count the downloads, right?
[18:26] <huayra> is prefork a good choice?
[18:26] <huayra> and all the options as shown above?
[18:28] <huayra> ok newz2000 thanks for your time
[18:28] <huayra> we did remove all kind of stuff we don't use
[18:28] <huayra> modules and things like that
[18:29] <huayra> let's hope it turns out to work :)
[18:29] <newz2000> I think you need the option you have (prefork). It's not ideal but is needed for php


[01:45] <gdi2k> hi, after installing latest updates on 17.10, every time I close a window, the whole Desktop crashes and I end up back at the login screen. This is with nvidia drivers. Any tips?
[14:29] <jbicha> fossfreedom: I'm applying the mutter fix (via Debian), does that mean you want to close LP: #1722119 ?
[20:48] <nico_> hi there
[20:49] <nico_> congrat for your nice budgie distrib
[20:49] <nico_> i love it
[20:57] <mpmc> I read there was going to be an Ubuntu Budgie Minimal version, is that still in progress? Can't find any more info on it since Dec last year.
[21:32] <fossfreedom> mpmc, development of the minimal version is looking for people to help develop and maintain it.  We are still producing test ISO's but are not really happy with the quality at the moment.  Need some help
[21:34] <mpmc> fossfreedom: Ok. Thanks for the info :).


[00:00] <Snova> Is there a way to remove a comment on a bug?
[00:00] <Snova> (I don't see such a thing, but oh well, it can't hurt to ask)
[00:00] <beuno> Snova, only if it's clearly spam
[00:01] <Snova> Ah, ok, I just got confused for a moment and put a comment on the wrong bug.
[00:03] <beuno> Snova, happens to the best of us, but, for now, it just stays that way
[00:03] <beuno> maybe we'll have comment-collapsing in the future  :)
[01:00] <mtaylor> launchpad admins around? I've got a borked branch...
[01:00] <mtaylor> $ bzr push
[01:00] <mtaylor> Using saved push location: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mordred/libcpuinfo/add-bindings/
[01:00] <mtaylor> bzr: ERROR: Server sent an unexpected error: ('error', 'No repository present: "lp-49577104:///~mordred/libcpuinfo/add-bindings"')
[01:02] <spiv> mwhudson: ^
[01:02] <mwhudson> yes, that branch is borked
[01:02] <mwhudson> the error message is true though
[01:03] <mwhudson> iirc there's a directory .bzr/repository.backup
[01:03] <spiv> It shouldn't be an unexpected error in that case... I guess there's a protocol bug.
[01:04] <spiv> Hmm, maybe I should change the "Server sent an unexpected error" message to include the verb name the client was using.
[01:04] <mtaylor> what would be great would be if there was a way to recover :)
[01:05] <mwhudson> mtaylor: you can probably grovel around with lftp
[01:05] <mwhudson> mtaylor: but delete and re-push is likely easier
[01:05] <mtaylor> mwhudson: you know - the last few times I've tried that - it's never worked
[01:05] <mtaylor> mwhudson: I was going to do that - but there's already a merge request with merge comments associated with the branch
[01:05] <mwhudson> (btw: no idea how the branch got in this state, pretty sure it wasn't launchpad that did this!)
[01:05] <lifeless> mwhudson: its been submitted as a merge proposal
[01:05] <mwhudson> mtaylor: can you rm -rf .bzr with lftp?
[01:05] <lifeless> mtaylor: lftp sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mordred/libcpuinfo/add-bindings
[01:06] <mtaylor> mwhudson: I think it was a laptop disconnect in the middle of a bzr upgrade
[01:07] <mtaylor> mwhudson: lftp is not so much allowing me to connect
[01:07] <mwhudson> that might do it i guess
[01:07] <mwhudson> mtaylor: strange, maybe you need to put your username in the url?
[01:07] <mtaylor> mwhudson: if I do that, it prompts me for password
[01:07]  * mtaylor grumbles
[01:08] <mwhudson> just hit enter
[01:08] <mwhudson> lftp is stupid
[01:08] <mtaylor> great
[01:09] <patx> what is launchpad *for* is it like a bitbucket or sourceforge?
[01:09] <mtaylor> mwhudson: ooh. it seems like it might actually be working...
[01:10] <spiv> patx: roughly, yes.
[01:10] <patx> ok ty.
[01:11] <mtaylor> ah. that's what it was
[01:11] <mtaylor> I had tried to do upgrade --1.9 on it
[01:11] <mtaylor> which failed with bzr: ERROR: Cannot convert to format <RepositoryFormatKnitPack6>.  Does not support rich root data.
[01:12] <mtaylor> which sadly left my branch in a state
[01:14] <mtaylor> while I'm here... can I poke someone in the eye about integrated wikis?
[01:14] <mtaylor> mwhudson: thanks, btw. lftp editing worked great
[01:15] <mwhudson> cool
[01:37] <thumper> hmm... if someone is asking what launchpad is for, we've done a bad job of the home page
[01:38] <zsquareplusc> i'm still looking for the section about hosting web pages ;-)
[01:45] <savvas> zsquareplusc: how about hosting it at sourceforge and mirroring your code branch to launchpad?
[01:56] <lifeless> thumper: as a byline 'Launchpad is a unique collaboration and Bazaar  code hosting platform for software projects.' is uhm, opaque
[02:02] <zsquareplusc> savvas: i like how launchpad is organized and how you can work with the branches. i'd prefer the the bug tracker too. so just hosting the web site there seems to be a bit unfriendly.
[02:04] <savvas> Well, I suggested that as a workaround until your idea is realized :)
[02:21]  * mtaylor just wants lp wiki
[02:23] <thumper> zsquareplusc: I too would like some web hosting
[02:24] <thumper> this is a different idea to the wiki pages
[02:24] <thumper> ideally I'd like to see both
[02:24]  * thumper has cunning plans
[02:27]  * zsquareplusc has python API docs for an extension using sphinx. a wiki wouldn't help for that. but i wiki is fine for other project docs
[02:28] <Snova> I find Trac's builtin wiki quite helpful...
[02:28] <thumper> zsquareplusc: as a non-binding question... what would be the most useful way to provide a
[02:29] <thumper> zsquareplusc: would you like to provide a website as a stand alone branch or as part of the main branch of project?
[02:29] <thumper> zsquareplusc: also, plain branch explosion, or sphinxify / some other ReST processing?
[02:30] <thumper> or the normal response of: options for everything
[02:31] <Ampelbein> hi there. Trying to access message 0 of bug 371281 on staging and edge gives me a "500 Internal Server Error" with the content "NoCanonicalUrl": http://paste.ubuntu.com/207250/ Is there something wrong with my code?
[02:31] <Ampelbein> via python-launchpadlib that is
[02:32]  * thumper looks for Ampelbein
[02:32] <zsquareplusc> thumper: i have the rst documents already in the branch along with the software. the sphinx output is a bunch of automatically generated static HTML files. i would not want to check these into a branch.
[02:34] <thumper> Ampelbein: my guess is "it's a bug"
[02:35] <thumper> Ampelbein: the return type of the messages is "IMessage" which doesn't have a defined url
[02:35] <Ampelbein> thumper: woohoo. in py-lp-lib?
[02:35] <thumper> Ampelbein: it should really be something like "IBugMessage" which has a location (permalink)
[02:35] <thumper> Ampelbein: in launchpad itself
[02:35] <thumper> Ampelbein: file a bug on "launchpad" or "malone" with your sample code and the IRC snippet
[02:36] <Ampelbein> thumper: ok, will do. thanks for looking into it.
[02:36] <thumper> Ampelbein: np
[02:37] <thumper> zsquareplusc: how do you build your project's webpages?
[02:37] <thumper> zsquareplusc: I'm not familiar with sphinx
[02:38] <thumper> zsquareplusc: do you have custom CSS, make rules, ??
[02:39] <zsquareplusc> thumper: in this case, just sphinx. it takes a bunch of rst files, htmlizes, puts navigation around it. it has themes and css, but i used the defaults.
[02:40] <thumper> zsquareplusc: I'm just trying to work out some sensible, flexible, useful ways to get web pages up
[02:40] <thumper> it is very hard to please everyone
[02:40] <zsquareplusc> yep
[02:41]  * thumper goes back to writing tests for the nice distro source package branch listing
[02:44] <RAOF> Now that I've cut a gnome-do release for 0.8.2, is there any easy way to go through all the bugs milestoned at 0.8.2 and with status "fix committed" and change them to "fix released"?
[02:45] <thumper> RAOF: I wish!
[02:45] <RAOF> thumper: Yeah, so do I :P
[02:45] <thumper> I've been thinking of how to do it with the LP api, but I stopped looking
[02:46] <thumper> RAOF: File a bug!  Make it say "Mark bugs in this milestone released" or something
[02:46] <thumper> I'd push for it :)
[02:46] <RAOF> This isn't already a bug?
[02:46] <thumper> perhaps it is
[02:46] <thumper> make them dupe it :)
[02:47] <thumper> luckily there are no bug people on right now or I'd have to duck
[02:50] <RAOF> There it is... bug #341687
[02:50] <thumper> RAOF: you're too nice to them
[02:51] <RAOF> On the plus side, finding that bug alerted me to the presence of LP's mass-bug-email interface.
[02:53] <thumper> LP has a mass-bug-email interface?
[02:55] <lifeless> thumper: yes
[02:56] <ajmitch> rarely used, probably for a good reason
[02:59] <RAOF> foreach bugnum in release ; do echo "bug $bugnum\n status fixreleased" ; done
[03:00] <ajmitch> just a way to fill in the mail
[04:16] <bjsnider> guys, i know one can ask for more ppa space but is there an upper limit? i mean what if i needed more than 5gb for a team ppa?
[04:18] <lifeless> bjsnider: the limits are policy, so if its for a good cause and has a good reason itshould be ok
[04:18] <thumper> bjsnider: I don't know, best to ask one of the soyuz guys
[04:18] <lifeless> bjsnider: OTOH though,what are you doing that needs 5G?
[04:18] <lifeless> bjsnider: perhaps delete old versions ?:)
[04:19] <bjsnider> multiple mythtv and mythplugins builds for multiple distros, as well as a lot of other stuff related to nvidia
[04:21] <spm_> bjsnider: ask a question via answers (how I love typing that contradiction ;-) ) - if you need it urgently, I can increase fairly pronto. Is usually just a sanity check against egregarious abuse.
[04:25] <bjsnider> spm, thanks. that's what i wanted to haer
[04:33] <wgrant> RAOF: The easier way to do mass bug changes like that is to say `  status fixreleased', and stick a couple of hundred bug addresses in To.
[04:34] <wgrant> No need for a huge body like that.
[04:36] <SamB> RAOF: wgrant had something to tell you
[04:36] <SamB> RAOF: might want to tell him once your connection settles down
[04:54] <thumper> wgrant: ick
[04:54] <thumper> wgrant: I'd settle for an easy to use api
[04:55] <thumper> for bug in my_project.milestone['this-one'].bugs: bug.status = 'Fix Released'
[04:55] <wgrant> thumper: I last used this back in the pre-API days.
[04:55] <wgrant> But yes, and the API is a good way now.
[04:55] <thumper> AFAIK you can't get the bugs from a milestone via the api
[04:56] <wgrant> thumper: IMilestone has a searchTasks.
[04:56] <wgrant> So it looks like you can.
[04:57] <wgrant> And IProduct.searchTasks can take a milestone argument.
[05:00] <thumper> hmm
[05:02]  * thumper wonders where searchTasks comes from...
[05:03] <wgrant> thumper: IBugTarget, maybe?
[05:03] <wgrant> But IMilestone probably isn't an IBugTarget... hmm.
[05:03] <thumper> nope
[05:03] <thumper> ah, mayby IHazBugs
[05:04] <wgrant> A grep through c/l/i should tell you pretty quickly..
[05:04] <wgrant> Except it's all split up now.
[05:04] <thumper> yep
[05:04] <thumper> wgrant: yes, all split now
[05:04] <thumper> wgrant: lp.bugs.interfaces :)
[05:04] <thumper> wgrant: as you'll see soon enough :)
[05:04]  * thumper taunts wgrant some more
[05:05] <wgrant> It remains to be seen whether it's soon or not...
[05:05] <wgrant> But we can hope!
[05:06] <thumper> wgrant: define soon
[05:06] <spm> wgrant: hmmm. bad reaction there. "hope"??? you should be in fear of your brain imploding.
[05:07] <thumper> right now the only reason that I know of is shaking out the bugs in the bzr 2a format
[05:07] <wgrant> thumper: The tree is also suspiciously unsplit.
[05:08] <thumper> I'd be tempted to say something wildly inaccurate or inflamitory, but it would be certain to be taken out of context and posted everywhere, so I'm refraining :)
[05:09] <wgrant> I see.
[05:10] <wgrant> spm: Why is my brain going to implode?
[05:10] <spm> wgrant: is part of the LP Dev hiring process. only those who pass the test of seeing the sourcecode and not having their brains implode go onto the 2nd round of interviews. QED. :-P
[05:11] <wgrant> spm: Heh.
[05:12] <spm> is also why us losas are careful to only deal with tiny fractions of the codebase. generally only that around config changes. stops premature implosion.
[05:13] <thumper> haha
[05:13] <thumper> spm is almost right
[05:13] <thumper> your brain doesn't normally implode on sight, just on attempting to understand it
[05:13]  * wgrant must remember to cover the room with painting dropsheets on the 21st^W^W^Wwhenever the code is released.
[05:14] <thumper> spm survives by not caring what the code does
[05:16] <wgrant> I've got at least some Zope 3^WFramework^WToolkit experience, so it's a very slightly shorter learning cliff.
[05:16] <spm> personally I always thought it would have been easier to write a for loop with sleep() && leak-memory() functions. but hey. :-P
[05:18] <lifeless> spm: so thats why we're open sourcing?
[05:18] <SamB> to eliminate the competition's brains?
[05:19] <spm> bingo
[05:19] <wgrant> That was my suspicion.
[05:19] <spm> BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHahahahahahaha. <[07:37] <Richlv> hi. https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/124406 does not open fully for me in opera
[07:37] <Richlv> are there any known incompatibility problems with opera (9.64 here) ?
[08:31] <wgrant> Shouldn't edge be running something more recent?
[08:39] <Maxime> Hi, It's my first step with launchpad. I'm looking for ssh url. Any idea ?
[08:46] <wgrant> Maxime: What do you mean? What are you trying to do?
[08:46] <Maxime> I'm trying to upload my first file onto launchpad.
[08:46] <Maxime> I think i didn't understand something :(
[08:47] <wgrant> Maxime: What kind of file? A file in version control, or a release of your software?
[08:47] <Maxime> A file version control, using bazaar
[08:48] <wgrant> Do you have a local branch?
[08:49] <Maxime> no, i'd like to use lauchpad as repo. On local, i've only original files
[08:49] <wgrant> Maxime: Have you seen https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch?
[08:50] <Maxime> Yes, i think i'm starting to understand
[08:51] <Maxime> bzr launchpad-login your-id it's on my computer, not onto server throw ssh ?
[08:51] <wgrant> Once you've run "bzr launchpad-login yourusername", "bzr push lp:~user/project/branch" will use SSH.
[08:52] <wgrant> So, run bzr launchpad-login on your local machine.
[08:52] <Maxime> ok, thanks, i'm goind to try why this.
[09:28] <robin> Is there somebody have a look at my question? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/75673
[09:47] <Maxime> I still have some problem with my first bazaar upload. I get this: bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "U:/dev/". Any idea of my problem ?
[09:55] <wgrant> Maxime: You need to run "bzr push lp:whatever" from within a branch. U:/dev isn't a branch.
[09:58] <Maxime> "whatever" is on local or server part ?
[09:58] <RAOF> Server part.  Where do you want to push it to?
[10:00] <Maxime> onto this project plugins-dc-aa. Push means "send my local files to server", am i right ?
[10:01] <RAOF> Yes.
[10:02] <Maxime> i've the same error message with this "bzr branch lp:plugins-dc-aa" :(
[10:03] <Maxime> So, first i've to create a local branch ?
[10:03] <RAOF> Ah, yes.  There's currently no branch in lp:plugins-dc-aa
[10:15] <Maxime> humm, trunk isn't a branch ?
[10:16] <noodles775> wgrant: the ppa listing is just a snippet (ie. only 3 archives with the latest publishings)
[10:16] <wgrant> Maxime: Did you try to push to lp:plugins-dc-aa/trunk?
[10:17] <wgrant> noodles775: Well, that's pretty useless.
[10:17] <wgrant> noodles775: What's the point of it?
[10:17] <noodles775> wgrant: with a link to further ones of course...
[10:17] <wgrant> noodles775: Ah.
[10:18] <wgrant> That's eventually always going to be dailies in a lot of cases, so I still don't like it much.
[10:18] <noodles775> wgrant: as in the bug, the long-term plan is to (1) have the top *ranked* ones displayed there,
[10:18] <noodles775> wgrant: and (2) eventually have the link going to a better page than the ppa search.
[10:18] <wgrant> noodles775: I might read the bug again... there's been a few comments, so I've probably forgotten everything.
[10:18] <noodles775> wgrant: yeah, it'd be great to get more feedback from people! Thanks!
[10:19] <Maxime> wgrant:  i tested lp:plugins-dc-aa/trunk. I got the same error :(
[10:19] <wgrant> Maxime: Right. That's just an alias to a branch. You need to push to lp:~personorteam/project/branch
[10:19] <wgrant> Maxime: Then you can make lp:plugins-dc-aa/trunk point to that branch later.
[10:20] <wgrant> But you can't use lp:plugins-dc-aa/trunk to create a new branch.
[10:20] <Maxime> ok, thanks, i'll test that.
[10:22] <wgrant> Malone isn't a very good medium for near-realtime discussion like this...
[10:29] <mpt> I don't seem to be able to unmark a duplicate bug report any more
[10:29] <mpt> Anyone else have the same problem?
[10:30] <wgrant> I haven't tried for a few days, and I don't hold much hope for staging working...
[10:30] <wgrant> But it did work around 2.2.6's release.
[10:30] <mpt> e.g. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/393775 is not a duplicate, but there's no link to unmark it
[10:31] <wgrant> Oh.
[10:31] <wgrant> mpt: Refreshed the page?
[10:31] <mpt> yep
[10:31] <wgrant> I've seen that, but I think it's only after you've already used the AJAX widget once.
[10:31] <wgrant> Huh.
[10:31] <wgrant> I see the edit link.
[10:32] <mpt> aha, shows up in Firefox but not Chrome
[10:33] <wgrant> I saw a bug about a similar thing earlier. Was that you too?
[10:33] <mpt> Chromium, rather
[10:33] <wgrant> (similar thing == sprites not showing up in Chrom(e|ium))
[10:33] <mpt> ... And in Epiphany but not Konqueror
[10:33] <mpt> So, yeah, it's another WebKit-specific bug
[10:40] <bigjools> mpt: I unmark by removing the bug number in the dupe form
[10:40] <mpt> bigjools, yes, and that's a problem in itself, but it's not the problem I'm having here
[10:40] <mpt> The problem here is that the button to *get to* the form is missing in WebKit and KHTML.
[10:40] <bigjools> ah
[10:40] <mpt> (reported as bug 394189)
[10:44] <bigjools> mpt: aieee that's a subtle difference between FF and Konq to un-dupe
[10:44] <mpt> bigjools, yes, I much prefer my original design for the duplicate section ;-)
[10:44] <bigjools> well, the un-dupe link is just a small icon.  ew.
[11:35] <mpt> Merge proposal comments look awf
[11:35] <mpt> ul in WebKit too, they're wrappe
[11:35] <mpt> d in the middle of words
[11:35] <elmo> wha
[11:35] <elmo> t yo
[11:35] <elmo> u sa
[11:35] <elmo> y
[11:36] <RAOF> And they don't wrap at all in firefox 3.5 :)
[11:36] <wgrant> There are bugs on both issues already.
[12:06] <RainCT> Hi
[12:07] <RainCT> I'm trying for the 3th time to upload a .orig.tar.gz (gears) with dput but there's no way, it always hangs on the last KB. (And yes, yesterday I left it running for over 4 hours and it didn't do anything more).
[12:33] <bigjools> cprov1: ^ did we decide that was a router problem or something else?  I can't quite remember.
[12:35] <cprov> RainCT: router problem was the last guess ... we are not sure what is causing it.
[12:35] <cprov> RainCT: ubuntu or ppa ?
[12:36] <RainCT> cprov: ubuntu
[12:38] <cprov> RainCT: can you please try again ?
[12:39] <RainCT> sure
[12:39] <bigjools> RainCT: what sort of local router do you have?
[12:44] <RainCT> bigjools: A Canopy WiMAX thing (dunno the exact model, I have no access to it), and an (old) Fonera in the middle for the W-LAN. I think last time I had the problem that was with a different connection (Huawei E220 3G modem).
[12:44] <bigjools> hmmm ok, doesn't sound familiar
[12:45] <bigjools> if you search the Intarweb for ftp upload hangs, there's a lot hits :/
[12:48] <bigjools> RainCT: are you NATed?  if so can you try with a real IP
[14:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all, can a bug be set on more than one ubuntu package in launchpad?
[16:10] <Sam-I-Am> nice backup on amd64 ppa builds :/
[16:22] <elmo> Sam-I-Am: it's all of 30 builds?
[16:22] <Sam-I-Am> is there a place to see the build queue?
[16:23] <Sam-I-Am> elmo: the wait time is nearly 12 hours... longer than i've seen before :P
[16:27] <geser> Sam-I-Am: not the queue itself but the current state: https://launchpad.net/builders/
[16:30] <Sam-I-Am> cool
[16:30] <Sam-I-Am> wonder why the amd64 queue is so long vs. the other archs
[16:47] <lex79> Hi, I'm uploading kde backport here:
[16:47] <lex79> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[16:47] <lex79> I need more space
[16:52] <lex79> spm: are you around?
[16:52] <bigjools> lex79: file a question on the Soyuz project and it will be dealt with
[16:53] <lex79> ok
[16:56] <Obfreak> Hello, I require a helper to aid me in recovering my launchpad account (email lost during a DNS change and password reset).
[16:58] <lex79> bigjools: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/75823
[16:58] <lex79> thanks
[16:59] <bigjools> lex79: thank you, an admin will pick it up later
[17:00] <lex79> thanks
[17:00] <bigjools> matsubara: can you help Obfreak --^ ?
[17:00] <matsubara> bigjools, yes
[17:00] <matsubara> Obfreak, hi
[17:01] <matsubara> Obfreak, what's your email address? (feel free to privmsg me if you don't want to disclose the email address here)
[19:20] <leifdk1978> hey guys have a quistion  on launchpad
[19:29] <thumper> leifdk1978: just ask away
[19:29] <leifdk1978> ok :)
[19:30] <leifdk1978> is the launchpad used for tranlastion or only bug an pacakge maintainers
[19:30] <thumper> both
[19:30] <thumper> and more
[19:30] <leifdk1978> ok cool
[19:31] <leifdk1978> just that the danish team is using a other metod to translate
[21:13]  * rowinggolfer reads https://dev.launchpad.net/OpenSourcing
[21:13] <rowinggolfer> so not fully open source then :(
[21:19] <rowinggolfer> http://blog.launchpad.net/podcast/launchpod-15-launchpads-going-open-source
[21:19] <rowinggolfer> wow.
[21:22] <rowinggolfer> 11 weeks since the last launchpod podcast?
[21:57] <fta> gasp :( https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5  why list untrusted/unknown PPAs there and not the ones maintained by a real team! it was better off
[21:58] <fta> it's adding confusion to an already confused situation
[22:01] <beuno> fta, I'm sorry, we're working on the UI for that
[22:01] <beuno> it's temporary
[22:01] <mwhudson> fta: i presume it's automated?
[22:01] <beuno> let me find you the bug # so you can help us figure it out
[22:02] <beuno> fta, bug 280958
[22:02] <beuno> (it is automated, btw)
[22:02] <beuno> we need to find a good way of selecting the best ones
[22:03] <beuno> please let us know if you have ideas  :)
[22:05] <fta> ok, thanks, i will
[22:15] <EvanCarroll> I really wish the bug tracker permitted fileing a distribution bug link for CPAN
[22:52] <thumper> EvanCarroll: file a bug :)
[23:29] <rwparris2> Hi.  I'm thinking of hosting the addons part of a project I contribute to called XBMC on launchpad, but I don't know if launchpad would really be the best place to do that.  Do you get ftp access to your distributable files/binaries when you release them?
[23:32] <matsubara> rwparris2, no ftp access.
[23:35] <rwparris2> matsubara, is it just a web interface?
[23:35] <matsubara> rwparris2, there's also an API which you can use to upload and, IIRC, download files
[23:43] <mxpxpod> is there a way to grab a bunch of branches at once? or associate a bunch of branches as a "view" where people can bzr branch lp:my-view or something?
[23:44] <mxpxpod> for instance, for project groups that bring a bunch of projects together for a release
[23:45] <matsubara> mxpxpod, nope.
[23:46] <mxpxpod> matsubara: are there any plans for that?
[23:46] <matsubara> mxpxpod, no, AFAICT.
[23:46] <mxpxpod> ok
[23:47] <matsubara> mxpxpod, feel free to file a bug on https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug requesting that
[23:47] <mxpxpod> matsubara: well, I guess the real question is does bzr support that?
[23:51] <matsubara> mxpxpod, IIUC, what you seem to want is, for instance bzr branch lp:some-project-group and this command will branch the development focus (trunk) for each one of the projects under that project group?
[23:51] <mxpxpod> matsubara: correct
[23:52] <matsubara> mxpxpod, I guess a plugin to bzr could do that. Your idea doesn't sound like a very common use case though.
[23:52] <mxpxpod> matsubara: yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[23:53] <matsubara> imagine someone doing bzr lp:gnome
[23:53] <mxpxpod> matsubara: true :)


[01:44] <ali1234> shadeslayer: i don't have any ideas for a session. i would be happy to ramble for an hour about whatever topic people want to hear about.
[04:03] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: let me know if you need anything if you are taking care of the SRU backports for light-locker-settings/xfce4-power-manager
[05:52] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I'd assumed you where doind it, since you made the bugs and code.
[05:52] <Noskcaj> *doing
[10:28] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: ok, cool, just wanted to verify
[11:33] <shadeslayer> ali1234: well, I wouldn't know tbh :P
[11:33] <shadeslayer> ali1234: but if you come up with something, let me know


[00:12] <AngelForget> kubuntu 11.10 is very good
[00:14] <AngelForget> i test kubuntu 12.04 is very good operation system very very compliment for all staff
[01:34] <juacom99> Hi, i got a really extr
[01:36] <juacom99> *extrange porblem with my webcam. When i try my webcam using cheese or phono it work just find, but when i use google hangouts or skype y get an odd red overall color and the background seem to hace streeps
[01:36] <juacom99> this is the result from lsusb for my cam: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0c45:613a Microdia PC Camera (SN9C120)
[01:37] <juacom99> and i found i'm using gspca_sonixj module
[01:37] <juacom99> any idea what may be causing it?
[03:25] <darbe> hi
[03:27] <darbe> I have upgrade problem   http://paste.ubuntu.com/934917/
[03:27] <darbe> can you help me?
[04:47] <psykatog> quick question - how can I find out which one of my drives is a usb for unetbootin?
[04:53] <craigmiller> I'm a Qt/QML mobile/tablet Developer, looking to get my touchscreen mapping app up and running on Kubuntu/Plasma for a demo at LinuxFest NW in a couple of weeks.  Could anyone point me to docs on how to setup Qt Creator on Desktop Linux (Ubuntu) to build/deploy to my ExoPC running Kubuntu/Plasma?
[04:54] <craigmiller> E.g. With MeeGo, Qt Creator created an RPM and deployed it to the MeeGo device via SSH.  Debugging happened over a socket as well.
[04:57] <Wolfren> i have a question as to how do i recover my account from the site where i dont have access to a password.
[04:58] <Wolfren> the name that i operated with specifically is lost because i dont have access to the password.
[04:58] <Xabster> "the site"?
[04:59] <Wolfren> my screenname is lost here
[04:59] <Wolfren> an i wanna get it back
[04:59] <Xabster> where is "here"?
[04:59] <Wolfren> this client
[05:00] <Wolfren> sorry i think in my own termnology and grammer
[05:00] <Xabster> You're talking about your NickServ account on freenode.org ?
[05:00] <Wolfren> yeh
[05:00] <Wolfren> NickServ
[05:01] <Wolfren> Xab i no longer have access because the password is no longer with me.
[05:01] <Xabster> I don't know and that question has got nothing to do with kubuntu
[05:01] <Wolfren> i lost it.
[05:02] <Wolfren> ok i guess thats a go away sign then sir... thanks for the help.
[05:03] <Wolfren> im off to other places then.
[05:03] <Wolfren> bye.
[05:14] <Xabster> MerlynKorr, try calling your internet service provider and see if they can help
[05:16] <MerlynKorr> im just trying to get to freenode so that i can get my password for here recovered and i poked them, so i apologise i am a noob at all this.
[05:21] <Xabster> yeah, sorry for being a dick, MerlynKorr
[05:21] <Xabster> join #freenode and ask there
[05:21] <MerlynKorr> its all right im already at freenode waiting for thier answer...
[05:25] <Xabster> What do you mean? I don't see #freenode in your channel list
[05:26] <Xabster> Did you open another client to join? And btw. you're already on freenode (note the missing #) which is a network of servers, and #freenode (with the #) is the channel you want to join on that network
[05:27] <MerlynKorr> right thanks dude.... i got the help i needed... were cool you probably had rough time today?
[05:28] <MerlynKorr> no punctuation there, sorry.
[05:28] <MerlynKorr> we're
[05:28] <MerlynKorr> anyway ill letcha get back to work.
[05:29] <Xabster> not really, i'm just a dick by nature
[05:29] <MerlynKorr> lol
[05:43] <darbe> how can I fix it http://paste.ubuntu.com/935030/
[05:45] <Xabster> darbe, i'm a newbie but reading the output I can see that it suggests something to you
[05:45] <Xabster> Did you try that?
[05:46] <darbe> Xabster: yes i did
[05:46] <darbe> Xabster: it ddin't fix
[05:47] <Xabster> then i don't know
[05:48] <Xabster> maybe you can try it via moun package manager or synaptics package manager
[05:48] <Xabster> your problem is due to dependencies not being met
[05:48] <darbe> Xabster: synaptic doesn't work too
[05:48] <darbe> ok forget it.
[05:49] <darbe> Xabster: thanks though
[07:18] <TimPlaz> where can i get the driver of VIA/S3G UniChrome IGP(my vga driver) so I may try compiz effects?
[07:20] <TimPlaz> anyone?
[07:26] <ver> hi
[09:39] <CQ> hello, I lost the part of the toolbar where all the open applications are shown... how do I get that back?
[09:39] <CQ> I looked for a widget, but no luck
[09:42] <Tm_T> CQ: you mean task manager?
[09:44] <almoxarife> it is alive
[09:44] <almoxarife> how do i ignore channel messages in quassel?
[09:45] <Xabster> ./part #channelname
[09:49] <CQ> Tm_T yes, task manager, just found it, thanks... I was looking for applicaiton manager, program manager, programs, etc. but not task ;)
[09:55] <Tm_T> Xabster: not funny
[09:55] <Tm_T> almoxarife: which messages you are trying to ignore?
[09:56] <Xabster> it wasn't supposed to be funny... if you want to ignore channel messages the easiest way is to not join it in the first place
[11:34] <gsommer> My Kubuntu said there was updates, so I let it update. Not it's stuck on "Installed update-manager-kde" (at 88%) - what should I do next then ?
[11:34] <gsommer> Not=Now
[12:32] <root> Hello
[12:33] <choony> hello i need help wif a simple confirmation on installing kubuntu
[12:33] <choony> can some1 help me
[12:34] <choony> any1 there
[12:34] <choony> hello can some1 help me
[12:39] <choony> can some1 help me
[12:39] <Xabster> choony, ask a question
[12:41] <choony> in kubuntu installation, it does show install windows side by side, you can only choose use entire disk or set manual partition, so how do i choose install side by side
[12:41] <choony> it does not show*
[12:42] <choony> will option use entire disk install existing windows side by side?
[12:47] <choony> damm...
[12:53] <mydogsnameisrudy> choony:  you want to dual boot ?
[12:55] <choony> yes
[12:56] <choony> i want to dual boot windows, but the new kubuntu dont have the option to install existing windows side by side
[12:56] <mydogsnameisrudy> most likley you dont have an open partition on your hard drive . 4 is maxs
[12:56] <mydogsnameisrudy> go into windows look at partitions see how many you have
[12:56] <choony> oh ya!
[12:57] <choony> okay i go now
[12:57] <choony> thx dude
[13:34] <Noorideen> hello
[13:34] <Noorideen> why my wireless adapter doesnt work on ubuntu
[13:34] <Noorideen> i have toshiba L305D-S5934
[13:34] <bazhang> !crosspost | Noorideen
[13:35] <bazhang> Noorideen, answer my question in #ubuntu
[13:47] <jamil_1> hi all
[13:48] <jamil_1> skype suddently start to give segmentation fault
[13:48] <jamil_1> it was working fine
[13:56] <jamil_1> odd
[13:56] <jamil_1> uninstalled it, reinstalled it and its working fine now
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[15:26] <liudas> hello where i could find info on kde apps ant meta packages, and how for example remove all kdepim module from kubuntu
[15:37] <Cenbe> When I'm at work, Kubuntu keeps telling me that my printer at home may be offline. Can I get him to stop doing that?
[15:45] <zk_> hola
[15:46] <zk_> alguien que entienda castellano?
[15:46] <Pici> !es
[15:46] <BluesKaj> liudas, kdepim is part of the kubuntu-desktop pkg . removing it will remove the whole kubuntu-desktop as well
[15:46] <zk_> ok
[15:46] <zk_> millesker
[15:48] <BluesKaj> liudas, why are you trying to remove kdepim ?
[15:51] <ali> how to install enlightenment environment in ubuntu 12.04??
[15:51] <Pici> ali : Precise/12.04 is not yet released. Please join #ubuntu+1 for further support and discussion.
[15:52] <ali> how to install in 11.10?
[15:52] <liudas> BluesKaj: i dont use kmail and all the rest stuf under pim
[15:53] <Pici> ali: I'd start by installing the e17 package.
[15:53] <liudas> BluesKaj: that's why i ask is there the way to remove pkg + meta pkg leaving pkg'es i need
[15:53] <ali> where i will get e17?
[15:54] <Pici> ali: Its in the package repositories.
[15:54] <Pici> Use your favorite package manager to install it.
[15:55] <ali> its not showing in ubuntu soft. center
[15:56] <Pici> .22
[15:56] <ali> ok muon package manager worked
[15:56] <ali> thx
[15:57] <BluesKaj> liudas, then just disable akonadi configuration by typing akonadi in the kmenu search and stopping the server and in system settings disable nepomuk , and remove kmail and kontact with apr-get or the package manager
[15:57] <BluesKaj> apt-get
[15:57] <Pici> ali: np
[16:04] <ali> how to install xfce?
[16:06] <tsimpson> ali: install the "xfce4" package
[17:06] <george_> Hello. I am trying to update to 12.04 LTS, but when I run kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f kde -d", I get Traceback (most recent call last):
[17:06] <george_>   File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 77, in <module>
[17:06] <george_>     print _("Checking for a new ubuntu release")
[17:06] <george_> UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe1' in position 16: ordinal not in range(128)
[17:06] <FloodBotK1> george_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:06] <george_> What's wrong?
[17:06] <maco> i doubt it's anything you can fix
[17:06] <maco> that's a doozy of a crash. i'd report a bug
[17:07] <maco> though... is your desktop running in english or another language?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> george_, normally the command to update is just 'sudo do-release--upgrade -d'
[17:07] <george_> maco: Portuguese
[17:07] <maco> BluesKaj: his version makes a gui of it
[17:07] <george_> BluesKaj: I'll try it.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> yes, and he should do that
[17:08] <maco> report a bug about the kde ui for do-release-upgrade breaking for portuguese
[17:08] <maco> because we really *shouldn't* release like that
[17:08] <maco> i mean, THEY. they shouldn't release like that. i'm not a dev anymore *happy dance*
[17:08] <BluesKaj> no need for the gui , the terminal gives enough info  IMO, george_
[17:09] <george_> BluesKaj: are you sure the command is correct? sudo: do-release--upgrade: command not found
[17:09] <maco> only one -
[17:09] <maco> not --
[17:10] <BluesKaj> george_, also update/upgrade in the present OS irst
[17:10] <BluesKaj> first
[17:11] <george_> sudo do-release-upgrade -d returns me "No new version found!"
[17:11] <BluesKaj> george_, sudo do-release-upgrade -d , cut and paste that into the terminal , there's no : after sudo
[17:11] <BluesKaj> george_, are you on a LTS ?
[17:11] <george_> No, 11.10
[17:15] <rekcuFniarB> I always upgrade the system with sudo find /etc/apt -iname "*.list" -exec sed -i 's/oneiric/precise/' {} \;
[17:15] <rekcuFniarB> sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[17:17] <george_> rekcuFniarB: never done that way...
[17:22] <BluesKaj> george_, first of all, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade . Adter that try release upgrade again
[17:24] <george_> BluesKaj: no, same thing.
[17:25] <george_> BluesKaj: on sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I get that the current version of plasma-widget-kimpanel will be keeped.
[17:27] <Pici> rekcuFniarB: modifying your sources.list and dist-upgrading is bound to cause issues.  There are things that the do-release-upgrade/update-manager programs do that cannot be done sanely within the framework of apt/dpkg.
[17:27] <BluesKaj> george_, that's fine , you're upgrading your existing packages , not upgrading to 12.04 , now run sudo -do-release-upgrade -d
[17:28] <rekcuFniarB> Pici: I never had problems upgrading that way
[17:28] <george_> BluesKaj: $ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[17:28] <george_> Verificando se há uma nova versão do Ubuntu
[17:28] <george_> Nenhuma nova versão encontrada
[17:28] <george_> That means no new version found
[17:29] <BluesKaj> Pici, do you know about this do-release-up[grade bug  ?
[17:30] <Pici> george_: Can you pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list as well as the output from lsb_release -a ?
[17:31] <BluesKaj> even if he has the upgrade manager set to "upgrade to LTS only" it should still work
[17:32] <george_> Pici: lsb_release -a: http://paste.kde.org/459524/
[17:33] <george_> Pici: /etc/apt/sources.list: http://paste.kde.org/459530/
[17:36] <Pici> hmmm.. I don't see anything that would be causing a problem...
[17:38] <george_> Pici: never had this issue before.
[17:43] <BluesKaj> george_, xheck the update manager , make sure OS upgrades are set to enabled or true or yes or whatever will open it to release upgrading
[17:48] <HelenB> I can't see my drives in Dolphin anymore. :(
[17:48] <HelenB> What do I do?
[17:52] <george_> BluesKaj: pre-releases was no checked, not it is. sudo do-release-upgrade -d returned me that  no new version of Ubuntu was found, but now I have lots of updates... don't get it...
[17:54] <BluesKaj> george_, run the updates
[17:55] <george_> BluesKaj: ok
[18:02] <george_> BluesKaj: Well, I have to reboot...
[18:08] <george_> BluesKaj: Ok, I've installed the updates, rebooted and ran sudo do-release-upgrade -d. But stills returns me that no new version was found.
[18:17] <BluesKaj> george_, lsb_release -a ..what does that give?
[18:18] <george_> BluesKaj: Here: http://paste.kde.org/459584/
[18:19] <BluesKaj> george_, you must have a setting in the package manager or update manager that's preventing the upgrade to a development release
[18:22] <george_> I've checked at muon and it every possible update is checked
[18:23] <BluesKaj> what about update manager?
[18:25] <george_> Now, on software manager at settings, I've tried an update and the list of software could not be downloaded: E: Error http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main Sources
[18:25] <george_> 404 Not Found
[18:26] <BluesKaj> oh, the manager isn't disabling the ppas
[18:29] <george_> BluesKaj: So, is there anything I can do?
[18:31] <lethu> anyone knows a working alternative to tail for KDE (4.7+)?
[18:32] <Pici> lethu: whats wrong with tail?
[18:32] <lethu> Pici, do you mean the plasma widget?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> yes george_ , alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list.d , remove any ppas listed there
[18:33] <Pici> lethu: er. What do *you* mean?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> oops wrong command george , kdesud dolphin , not kate
[18:33] <george_> BluesKaj: Can I just disable them on software sources list?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> they may not be listed
[18:34] <lethu> Pici, I mean there are two "tails" I know of, the basic one and the widget one you can add to the plasma desktop
[18:34] <Pici> lethu: you're the one who asked the question.
[18:35] <lethu> Pici, I don't get it lol sorry
[18:35] <Pici> 14:31:48 <lethu> anyone knows a working alternative to tail for KDE (4.7+)?
[18:35] <lethu> wait
[18:35] <lethu> yes, indeed
[18:35] <BluesKaj> george_, this may help , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades
[18:35] <lethu> by tail, in this sentence I mean the plasma widget
[18:36] <Pici> lethu: there we go.
[18:36] <lethu> so? :o
[18:36] <Pici> (and I know nothing about plasma widgets)
[18:36] <lethu> I see
[18:36] <Pici> Sorry.
[18:37] <lethu> Pici, do you know at least if the original "tail" works with KDE?
[18:37] <Pici> lethu: the cli tool works just fine.  I use it all the time.
[18:37] <lethu> Pici, ahh nice! Thank you, that's all I wanted to know
[18:42] <george_> BluesKaj: I"ve removed every file on that folder, still says that no new version was found...
[18:49] <BluesKaj> george_, check the url posted above
[18:53] <george_> BluesKaj: Well, I'been on there before... I was doing the way it says...
[19:01] <george_> BluesKaj: Since it didn't work, I've came asking for help here..
[19:02] <lethu> can anybody tell me what's the id for the "root window" used by KDE?
[19:03] <lethu> I guess it should be some plasma related object id
[19:07] <BluesKaj> george_, the only thing I can think of is to replace your sources , and start over , http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/ ...once you ve done that run updates and upgrade and dist-upgrade again , then try release upgrade -d again
[19:10] <george_> BluesKaj: I see. And where should I put that file, which file should be replaced?
[19:12] <junfan> Is there any way to get firefox with kde dialogs on 12.04? Every time I have to work with the gtk file dialog's inability to have options I want to smash something.
[19:12] <junfan> btw, kgtk-wrapper doesn't work. It crashes too much.
[19:18] <BluesKaj> george_, alt+f2 , kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list that's the sources.list that needs replacing
[19:18] <george_> BluesKaj: ok, thanks. I'll try that and post the result
[19:21] <HelenB> How to stop KDE from remember which programs were running in last session?
[19:22] <HelenB> It is very annoying.
[19:22] <lethu> HelenB, go to settings
[19:22] <lethu> system settings*
[19:22] <HelenB> kay
[19:22] <HelenB> but where in the settings?
[19:23] <lethu> go to the bottom
[19:23] <lethu> then click startup and shutdown
[19:23] <lethu> then chose "Session Management" on the left list
[19:23] <HelenB> yes
[19:24] <lethu> then on the right you should find a "On Login" section
[19:24] <lethu> there you can check "Restore previous session"
[19:24] <HelenB> and not start empty session?
[19:25] <lethu> yup
[19:25] <HelenB> kay :3
[19:25] <HelenB> thank you
[19:25] <HelenB> soo very much!
[19:25]  * HelenB cuddles
[19:25] <lethu> C:
[19:25] <lethu> :)
[19:25] <lethu> yw
[19:26] <BluesKaj> How to stop KDE from remembering ..hmm
[19:26] <HelenB> now for me to sort out xchat to minimize at startup. lol
[19:27] <HelenB> damn :(
[19:27] <HelenB> Aaaah
[19:27] <HelenB> it's xchat --minimize=2
[19:27] <HelenB> AAAAH!
[19:27] <HelenB> :D
[19:30] <BluesKaj> HelenB, I think if you close every app and file before shutting down, with restore session enabled then you'll boot into a clean session ..that's my experience
[19:33] <lethu> HelenB, sorry I misread your question, it should be "start empty session" rather than "Restore previous session"
[19:33] <lethu> I thought you were looking for the opposite
[19:34] <HelenB> KDE wont start xchat minimized. :(
[19:34] <lethu> HelenB, what are you looking for exactly?
[19:35] <HelenB> to have KDE start xchat minimized
[19:35] <HelenB> it will start it not minimized
[19:35] <HelenB> but it wont start it minimized
[19:35] <lethu> HelenB, bring up the xchat window
[19:35] <HelenB> I can start it up minimized from a terminal
[19:35] <HelenB> and I can start it minimized from my desktop
[19:35] <lethu> HelenB, then right click the titlebar
[19:36] <HelenB> Huh?
[19:36] <HelenB> lethu, then what?
[19:36] <lethu> HelenB, then go to "Advanced settings" then "Special Widow Settings"
[19:36] <HelenB> I don't have that.
[19:37] <HelenB> I don't have a title bar
[19:37] <HelenB> it's all tiled windowing
[19:38] <lethu> HelenB, what do you mean bu tiled windowing?
[19:38] <lethu> s/bu/by
[19:38] <HelenB> lethu, idk
[19:38] <HelenB> everything
[19:38] <HelenB> full screens
[19:38] <HelenB> like on a phone
[19:38] <lethu> mhh
[19:39] <lethu> HelenB, what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[19:39] <HelenB> 11.10
[19:39] <lethu> HelenB, have you messed with the settings etc...?
[19:39] <HelenB> no
[19:39] <HelenB> it's always been like this
[19:39] <HelenB> and that's how I like it
[19:40] <HelenB> that's how Kubuntu runs on a netbook
[19:40] <lethu> ok, one moment HelenB
[19:40] <HelenB> :3
[19:41] <lethu> HelenB, ok, go to "System Settings" again
[19:41] <HelenB> yes?
[19:41] <lethu> then on the second row, click "Window Behavior"
[19:42] <sunnyboy988> hello together =)
[19:42] <lethu> then on the left list click on "Window Rules"
[19:42] <HelenB> yes?
[19:42] <lethu> there you will find a "New" Button on the right side
[19:42] <HelenB> Yes I see it
[19:43] <lethu> HelenB, click it
[19:43] <HelenB> yes
[19:43] <lethu> HelenB, keep that window open, but meanwhile
[19:43] <HelenB> hmm
[19:43] <lethu> press alt+f2
[19:44] <HelenB> hmm
[19:44] <lethu> then type konsole
[19:44] <HelenB> and that does what?
[19:44] <lethu> then "enter"
[19:44] <lethu> HelenB, that should summon the app laucnher
[19:44] <lethu> launcher
[19:44] <HelenB> it doesn't do anything.
[19:45] <lethu> k, no problem
[19:45] <HelenB> but...
[19:45] <HelenB> I started konsole
[19:45] <lethu> good!
[19:45] <HelenB> frol search and start page
[19:46] <lethu> now type "xwininfo" inside it
[19:46] <lethu> you should have a different cursor
[19:46] <lethu> with it you clic on Xchat
[19:46] <lethu> Xchat's window
[19:46] <HelenB> lol
[19:46] <sunnyboy988> i have a problem. I installed the Kubuntu for the linuxMCE. Kubuntu is working, i installed the nvidia driver for my geforce gt 520, and this is working too, because i want to have the sound over the hdmi cable to my tv, i updated the alsa driver to 1.0.25 (newest), but i still don't have sound. But if i do in terminal "speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hw:1,7 then i hear the test sound. Could
[19:46] <sunnyboy988> someone please tell me how to set up the kubuntu (with kde) to use the hw:1,7 as the standard sound output?
[19:46] <HelenB> like I said...
[19:46] <HelenB> I have tiled windowing
[19:47] <lethu> HelenB, use alt+tab to switch windows
[19:47] <HelenB> okay
[19:47] <HelenB> clicked
[19:47] <HelenB> on xchat?
[19:47] <HelenB> in the middle?
[19:47] <lethu> yup
[19:47] <HelenB> anywhere on xhcat?
[19:47] <lethu> yup
[19:47] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:47] <HelenB> done
[19:47] <lethu> yup
[19:47] <FloodBotK1> lethu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, where are you hearing the test sound from?
[19:47] <HelenB> noooo
[19:48] <HelenB> stupid bot :(
[19:48] <sunnyboy988> BluesKay: im sorry, but i don't understand your question =(
[19:48] <lethu> HelenB, tell me what does it give as "Window id"
[19:48] <lethu> the info between the quotation marks
[19:49] <HelenB> XChat: HelenB @ Freenode / #kubuntu (+CLcfjnt #kubuntu-unregged 5:10)
[19:49] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, and do you have pulseaudio installed , if so install pavucontrol as well , it gives options for directing the audio
[19:49] <lethu> HelenB, ok
[19:49] <HelenB> :3
[19:49] <lethu> HelenB, now go back to the Settings window
[19:50] <HelenB> :o
[19:50] <lethu> HelenB, use alt+tab always
[19:50] <HelenB> hmm kay
[19:50] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, speaker test sound from the pc or the tv ?
[19:51] <HelenB> lethu, yes
[19:51] <lethu> HelenB, di you get there?
[19:51] <HelenB> yes
[19:52] <lethu> ok
[19:52] <HelenB> cold :(
[19:52] <lethu> HelenB, now go to the "Window class" property
[19:52] <HelenB> lethu, yes
[19:52] <lethu> HelenB, select "Exact Match" then next to it, type XChat
[19:53] <sunnyboy988> BluesKay: The test sound is generated from the program speaker-test in the terminal, and i hear the sound on my tv over the hdmi cable... I don't have pulseaudio installed. for what is this program? sorry im kinda new with linux
[19:53] <HelenB> lethu, yes
[19:54] <lethu> HelenB, ok, now go to the "Size & Position" tab
[19:54] <HelenB> lethu, yes
[19:54] <lethu> HelenB, then check "Minimized"
[19:54] <HelenB> :o
[19:54] <HelenB> lethu, yes
[19:55] <lethu> HelenB, and then next to it select "Apply Initially" and then next to it again check "Yes"
[19:55] <HelenB> lethu, yes
[19:56] <lethu> HelenB, now click "ok" :)
[19:56] <HelenB> It done? :o
[19:56] <lethu> HelenB, should be
[19:56] <HelenB> oh
[19:56] <lethu> HelenB, you need to check it now
[19:56] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, open kmenu>computer>system settings>multimedia>phonon>device preference , check the devices listed there to see which ones work with the tv
[19:58] <BluesKaj> choose the device , and move it the top , sunnyboy988
[19:58] <BluesKaj> the device that tests ok
[19:59] <sunnyboy988> blueskaj: i tried that before, too, but non of them is the one for my hdmi sound =(
[20:00] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, onboard or pci soundcard?
[20:01] <sunnyboy988> yes i have a onboard soundcard, too, but i didn't installed the driver for it...
[20:03] <sunnyboy988> is there not somewhere like always in linux a config file that i can open and change a value from for example hw:0,0 to hw:1,7? ^^
[20:07] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, depends which card is default ,( card=0 ). do, aplay-l , in the terminal
[20:07] <lethu> sunnyboy988, there is, or was for that matter
[20:07] <HelenB> Yayeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
[20:08] <HelenB> Damn
[20:08] <HelenB> what a lag
[20:08] <lethu> back when I used gentoo you could make a config file in your home directory with that setting and it would set that
[20:08] <HelenB> no CPU fan
[20:09] <BluesKaj> lethu, sunnyboy988 , that file is usually ~/.asoundrc,  now
[20:09]  * HelenB cuddles lethu
[20:09] <HelenB> Thankies!
[20:09] <HelenB> :3
[20:09] <lethu> BluesKaj, yes
[20:09] <lethu> HelenB, yw :)
[20:11] <sunnyboy988> BluesKaj: ok, i did the aplay -l:" Card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 0 ...; Card 0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 1...; Card 1: NVidia_1 [HDA NVidia], device 3: HDMI 0 ...; card 1: NVidia_1 [HDA NVidia], device 7: HDMI 1 ....
[20:16] <HelenB> lethu, Now how do I remove the XChat icon from the system tray? :o
[20:16] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, I'm not a pulseaudio fan , but in some cases, incuding my own , it's necessary to use it as a sounderserver for your audio outputs and inputs , recommend installing it and pavucontrol , sudo apt-get install pulseaudio pavucontrol
[20:17] <lethu> HelenB, there should be an option in the XChat settings
[20:17] <sunnyboy988> BluesKaj: ok, then i will try it =) *hoping* i will write if it worked or not =)
[20:18] <HelenB> lethu, but there isn't.
[20:18] <HelenB> :o
[20:18] <lethu> HelenB, right click the little arrow pointing toward the top
[20:19] <lethu> HelenB, then click sys tray settings
[20:19] <HelenB> lengau, What arror?
[20:19] <HelenB> *lethu
[20:19] <lethu> HelenB, in the extreme right of the bar
[20:20] <lethu> just next to the clock
[20:20] <HelenB> yes
[20:20] <lethu> HelenB, then select Entries in the left list
[20:21] <lethu> HelenB, then look for XChat there
[20:21] <HelenB> yes
[20:21] <lethu> and set visibility to Hidden
[20:21] <lethu> HelenB, then apply and ok
[20:21] <HelenB> :o
[20:21] <HelenB> no worky?
[20:21] <HelenB> og wait
[20:21] <HelenB> oh wait
[20:21] <HelenB> it worky
[20:21] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:21] <lethu> HelenB, good!
[20:22] <HelenB> FloodBotK1, no
[20:23] <HelenB> lethu, I have no CPU fan. :o
[20:23] <HelenB> and also...
[20:23] <HelenB> thank you :3
[20:24] <lethu> HelenB, you welcome C:
[20:24] <lethu> HelenB, what do you mean by no CPU fan?
[20:24] <HelenB> C:
[20:24] <HelenB> lethu, the fan on the CPU
[20:24] <HelenB> I don't have one. :o
[20:24] <HelenB> this thing gets too hot
[20:24] <HelenB> :(
[20:24] <lethu> HelenB, you mean the physical fan?
[20:24] <HelenB> yes
[20:25] <lethu> HelenB, what kind of computer do you use?
[20:25] <HelenB> Netbook
[20:25] <HelenB> but it should have one it gets too hot lol
[20:25] <HelenB> and then the CPU slows down to prevent damage
[20:25] <lethu> HelenB, have you got lm-sensors installed?
[20:25] <HelenB> :o
[20:25] <HelenB> idk
[20:25] <lethu> HelenB, open konsole then type "sensors"
[20:26] <HelenB> no it not installed
[20:26] <HelenB> what does it do? :o
[20:29] <lethu> HelenB, it gives you the current CPU temp
[20:29] <HelenB> :o
[20:29]  * HelenB installs
[20:29] <lethu> HelenB, wait
[20:29] <lethu> HelenB, how do you know that there is no fan on your cpu?
[20:29] <lethu> read : are you 100% sure of it?
[20:30] <HelenB> lethu, I went to upgrade my RAM.
[20:30] <HelenB> only to find I only have one RAM slot. :(
[20:30] <HelenB> damn
[20:30] <HelenB> lol
[20:30] <lethu> then?
[20:30] <HelenB> I also went to replace the hard drive
[20:30] <HelenB> because a magnet fucked it up
[20:30] <lethu> phew
[20:31] <HelenB> I saw the bare CPU
[20:31] <lethu> HelenB, can you supply the brand and model informations?
[20:31] <HelenB> 66oc
[20:31] <HelenB> It's Intel Atom
[20:31] <lethu> I mean for the netbook
[20:32] <HelenB> Dell Inspiron 1011
[20:33] <lethu> HelenB, is there an air exhaust on your netbook?
[20:34] <HelenB> lengau, a vent?
[20:34] <HelenB> lethu, a vent?
[20:34] <HelenB> yes
[20:34] <HelenB> there are vents
[20:34] <HelenB> :3
[20:35] <lethu> HelenB, can you feel air coming out of the vents?
[20:36] <HelenB> lethu, I can feel radiating heat
[20:36] <HelenB> I'll get a cooling pad
[20:36] <HelenB> :3
[20:36] <lethu> HelenB, it's one of a few options
[20:36] <lethu> not the lest costly but I guess it should work
[20:37] <HelenB> :3
[20:37] <lethu> HelenB, also think about installing lm-sensors and checking your temp(s) regularly
[20:37] <HelenB> I did
[20:37] <lethu> good
[20:37] <HelenB> it's at abnormal temps
[20:37] <HelenB> 66oc
[20:37] <HelenB> lol
[20:37] <HelenB> it's on a book
[20:38] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:38] <HelenB> it's also on stilts
[20:38] <HelenB> so air can get underneath
[20:38] <lethu> any time intensive apps running?
[20:39] <lethu> anyway 70 is where you should start worrying
[20:39] <lethu> 80 is critical
[20:41] <HelenB> hmm
[20:42] <HelenB> lethu, Why does it say this? :o
[20:42] <HelenB> acpitz-virtual-0
[20:42] <HelenB> Adapter: Virtual device
[20:43] <lethu> HelenB, how d you get this?
[20:43] <lethu> s/d/do
[20:43] <HelenB> lethu, from sensors
[20:44] <lethu> HelenB, have you first ran the "sensors-detect" command?
[20:44] <HelenB> no
[20:44] <HelenB> :o
[20:44] <lethu> you have to
[20:49] <HelenB> lethu, I'm getting 59oc now :3
[20:50] <lethu> HelenB, you can run the "top" command to check if it isn't rather some process of app that is stressing the CPU
[20:50] <lethu> s/of/or
[20:51] <HelenB> wait wait
[20:51] <HelenB> acpitz-virtual-0
[20:51] <HelenB> Adapter: Virtual device
[20:51] <HelenB> temp1:        +60.0°C  (crit = +102.0°C)
[20:51] <HelenB> coretemp-isa-0000
[20:51] <HelenB> Adapter: ISA adapter
[20:51] <HelenB> Core 0:       +59.0°C  (high = +70.0°C, crit = +90.0°C)
[20:51] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:51] <HelenB> lethu, ^^
[20:51] <HelenB> I should've pastebined it.
[20:51] <HelenB> lol
[20:51] <lethu> HelenB, use pastebin if you want to past multiple line text :)
[20:51] <lethu> yeah hehe
[20:52] <HelenB> It didn't look like a lot of lines.
[20:52] <HelenB> until I sent it.
[20:52] <HelenB> lol
[20:52] <sunnyboy988> BluesKaj: i don't know, but i don't get pulseaudio to run... =( i found out now, that i kinda have sound. When i shut down or start the computer i have the sounds of linux on my tv, but everything else is not working... =((( why does everything always have to be so difficult with linux -.-
[20:53] <HelenB> tsimpson, Nice bot! :D
[20:53] <lethu> :)
[20:53] <HelenB> lethu, I thought ISA was ancient. lol
[20:54] <lethu> HelenB, current days hardware state is so messed up that it's no wonder you ask yourself such questions
[20:55] <HelenB> lethu, It is? :o
[20:55] <lethu> HelenB, so many components are ancient but still used every now and then
[20:55] <HelenB> oh
[20:56] <lethu> well let's not turn out of topic :)
[20:56] <HelenB> But I don't have an  ISA port. lol
[20:56] <HelenB> oh
[20:56] <HelenB> okay
[20:56] <HelenB> :3
[20:56] <HelenB> good idea
[20:56] <FloodBotK1> HelenB: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:56] <HelenB> FloodBotK1, no
[21:02] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, go to the kmenu , type in pavucontrol in search , now check the Output Device settings for hdmi
[21:10] <sunnyboy988> BluesKaj: i tried it, but there is no program, that i could start. But in the Adopt or in the Terminal it tells me that this program is installed *confused*
[21:17] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, which program ?
[21:17] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio or pavucontrol
[21:18] <sunnyboy988> pavucontrol
[21:22] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, type pavucontrol in the terminal
[21:24] <sunnyboy988> oh ok, now it's starting a program, but i get the error msg: "Connection failed. Connection refused"
[21:26] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, ok ,sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[21:28] <sunnyboy988> BluesKaj: pulseaudio is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded
[21:29] <sunnyboy988> oh ok, i think i found an error in pulseaudio, one sec i will fix it
[21:30] <BluesKaj> sunnyboy988, have you setup pulseaudio in system settings>multimedia >phonon>audio hardware setup
[21:30] <bkerensa> Riddell: I hear Canonical is keeping the Kubuntu name possibly.... Is this right?
[21:33] <BluesKaj> bkerensa, http://blogs.kde.org/node/4565
[21:33] <bkerensa> BluesKaj: Yeah but I heard that Canonical is saying the name cannot be used since BlueSystems is sponsoring it
[21:33] <bkerensa> :)
[21:33] <bkerensa> as of today thats the word
[21:35] <Riddell> bkerensa: I've not heard anything today, got a source?
[21:40] <bkerensa> Riddell: I PM'ed you
[21:41] <sunnyboy988> BluesKaj: i think i did too many things on this kubuntu wrong now, so i'm going to install it tomorrow new and try it then again. Thank you very very much for your help and your time
[22:24] <Zkye> anybody home ?
[22:24] <BarkingFish> yep
[22:24] <Zkye> omg!
[22:25] <BarkingFish> depends on what you need, how fast and how long you have?
[22:25] <Zkye> It's like seeing light at the end of the tunnem
[22:25] <Zkye> It took me over 2 hours to get on an IRC channel of ubuntu!
[22:25] <Zkye> This is about ubuntu, right?
[22:26] <Zkye> ...
[22:27] <sobczyk_> hi, is there a way to add additional route when connecting to a vpn?
[22:30] <ihacks> van fent magyar?
[22:31] <ihacks> hm...?
[22:31] <DarthFrog> !hu
[22:33] <ihacks> oké
[22:33] <ihacks> köszi
[22:44] <Daskreech> HelenB: got dolphin showing your stuff again?
[22:48] <Daskreech> HelenB: Ha Did you run plasma-netbook ?
[23:10] <Jacqui_> hi
[23:10] <Jacqui_> +++
[23:40] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit


[06:35] <tumulte> HI
[06:36] <tumulte> How can I put the sound systray back to its place ?
[06:38] <tumulte> ok found
[07:08] <lza_> a
[09:38] <xubuntu08i> join
[11:35] <XubuntuNewbie> Hello! I have googled a lot, but still can not access Windows shared folder on the network. It is just a workgroup, not domain, windows-based computers can easily access shared folders, it is not protected with the password. Windows 7 is used in combination with Xubuntu 16
[13:46] <akxwi-dave> have you seen this one.. It helped me.. http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-access-windows-7-shared-folders-ubuntu
[21:02] <SeBL4RD> salut
[21:13] <knome> 'lo