[12:11] <Phoenix92x> and 1.5GB out of my 2GB of memory is in use
[12:11] <leighton> Section "Extensions"
[12:11] <Phoenix92x> I don't know what to do about it
[12:12] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: drop firefox
[12:12] <leighton> Options "Composite" "Enable"
[12:12] <leighton> EndSection
[12:12] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: that could just be RAM caching
[12:12] <leighton> all works ok now
[12:12] <Phoenix92x> ok I'll close it and see if there's a difference
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> but what I mentioned earlier didn't involve firefox at all
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> it went from 440 to 1900 overnight with no userspace processes running
[12:13] <leighton> Manchicken any idea how to get an app to autostart ...ie the wireless manager
[12:13] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: the linux kernel always tries to use as much ram as possible
[12:13] <PF-Away> it's quicker
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> ahhh
[12:13] <aaron_> is direct rendering supposed to be off
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> well that helps some in my understanding
[12:13] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: it'll free up when you try to run something
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> it only freed up about 30 mb
[12:13] <PF-Away> a copy of pages in ram is kept on disk, so it can be quickly swapped out, but it's quicker to keep most in ram
[12:13] <Phoenix92x> hmmm
[12:14] <PF-Away> pre-fetching
[12:14] <manchicken> leighton: Move it into ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:14] <manchicken> leighton: Err, copy its .desktop file there
[12:14] <Phoenix92x> it gets to a point where I cant ping something because there "isnt enough buffer space"
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: ok, that is weird
[12:14] <Phoenix92x> ya
[12:14] <ins-dragonclaw> Alright. Frustration has set in. Does anyone know how to sync contacts from a sony ericsson k750i to Kontact?
[12:15] <aaron_> or is there a way I can turn on direct rendering
[12:15] <Phoenix92x> it did only happen after running ktorrent for a while
[12:15] <Phoenix92x> no ktorrent runs at all, no bufferspace problem for that session
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> Phoenix92x: have you rebooted since then?
[12:16] <Phoenix92x> yes, multiple times
[12:16] <leighton> thanks manchicken
[12:16] <Phoenix92x> tried it with kde and kde+xgl
[12:16] <manchicken> Not a problem.
[12:16] <Phoenix92x> same thing did it
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[12:17] <aaron_> so wait who here knows how to turn on direct rendering
[12:17] <aaron_> or is that not the problem why I get like 2fps
[12:17] <Phoenix92x> part of it was I didn't know the linux kernel tried to use as much memory as it could
[12:18] <Phoenix92x> so seeing 1500/2000 RAM used normally kind of freaked me out
[12:18] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: i have memory/cpu/swap monitoring always down in kicker, and it kind of explains things
[12:18] <Phoenix92x> what's really odd to me though is that I can't see anything using more than say...200 Megs of ram in ps aux
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> and there are only 2 200MB items
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> PF-Away, could you please explain? I've heard about kicker but I don't knwo what ti is
[12:19] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: it's the bar at the bottom of the screen
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> ohhh
[12:19] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: you can add "applets" to it
[12:19] <Phoenix92x> how did the mem/cpu/swap monitoring explain things?
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> interesting, could you please tell me how to add applets to it?
[12:20] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: my memory is always full;)
[12:20] <PF-Away> Phoenix92x: right click ,add applets
[12:20] <PF-Away> Add Applet to Panel
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> on the bar?
[12:20] <PF-Away> yup
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> PF-Away, thanks, I'll try that
[12:20] <Phoenix92x> well I'm definitely less worried now
[12:21] <PF-Away> ;)
[12:21] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: ""UPDATE 1/2/07: Prelink is no longer necessary in Feisty. Feisty uses a new linking mechanism called DT_GNU_HASH which dramatically speeds up the linking process without the need for continuously running the prelink program."
[12:21] <Phoenix92x> I'm about to take this laptop back to college and I hadn't noticed the memory usage and I thought I was screwed, lol
[12:21] <PF-Away> ;)
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> PF-Away: wow.
[12:22] <PF-Away> LeeJunFan: i had to enable a custom overlay ("repository") with an experimental GCC/GLIBC and lots of funny patches in gentoo to get that hash-tingy
[12:22] <PF-Away> *thingy
[12:22] <PF-Away> in gentoo
[12:22] <ins-dragonclaw> Gentoo just killed someone
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> a kitten
[12:23] <PF-Away> gentoo kills kittens everyone someone thinks
[12:23] <PasNox> hi
[12:23] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: there ?!
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: yeah.
[12:23] <PF-Away> imho, every install of ?ubuntu should come with an offline snapshot of the ubuntuguide.org
[12:23] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i have comment the eth0 part so now there is no longer error on service restart
[12:23] <Alonea> PF-Away: okies, I figured it out..its recompiling now..
[12:24] <PF-Away> good stuff
[12:24] <PasNox> but there is always the problem: no wifi connection at startup, i have checked the services via kde control panel
[12:24] <PasNox> and it seem that networking service was not activated ( why ?! )
[12:24] <PasNox> i have activated it
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: your wifi was eth1 right?
[12:24] <PasNox> but conenction is not done again :| i don t know where to chekc nox
[12:24] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: yes
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: what do you have to do to make it work manually?
[12:25] <PasNox> now*
[12:25] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i need do: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:26] <jontec> okay, help me with this.... I've been messing with alsa for like three months and nothing is working.... now I have this problem with alsamixer after installing 1.0.13 alsa drivers, lib, and utils
[12:26] <PasNox> is there a way i can check the startup service launch ?
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: do you have S##networking in /etc/rc2.d?
[12:26] <jontec> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[12:27] <PF-Away> what does the status of "v" mean?
[12:27] <PF-Away> in aptitude
[12:27] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: yes, tehre is : S50networking
[12:29] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: hmm. Odd, it _should_ be starting from there.
[12:30] <mischko> If I get a supported WiFi card, can Ubuntu/Kubuntu act as a wireless access point?
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> mischko: yes
[12:31] <crackhead_25__> hey, how does one unpack .sitx files in kubuntu???
[12:31] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: i don't understand
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> mischko: a prism or something atheros based.
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> !sit
[12:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sit - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> hrm
[12:31] <crackhead_25__> (.sitx = a stuffit compression from a mac)
[12:31] <mischko> LeeJunFan: how to do the setup?
[12:32] <crackhead_25__> anyone know how to unpack a .sitx (stuffit compression from a mac) file on kubuntu??
[12:32] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: how i can be sure it was started, and track it ?
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> mischko: depends really on what you want to support, putting the card in AP mode is as easy as iwconfig ath0 mode master
[12:32] <Phoenix92x> another odd thing is happening. I've noticed recently (and just again a moment ago) that aptitude is telling me its keeping back a huge number of python packages. (which I can put on pastebin if someone wants to look at them). A) is this bad B) could someone help me figure out why and what to do about it please? thank you
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> PasNox: /var/log/boot I think.
[12:33] <soulrider> hi everyone
[12:33] <mischko> LeeJunFan: I want to make it an ap and make my machine a wireless router for my house.
[12:34] <soulrider> mischko: you want to convert that computer intoa  wireless router ?
[12:34] <mischko> soulrider: yes.
[12:34] <PasNox> LeeJunFan: Mar 23 19:27:49 rcS:  * Configuring network interfaces...        [80G
[12:34] <soulrider> good idea, but i hope its an old computer, you dont wanna have an expensive router :P
[12:34] <PasNox> Mar 23 19:27:49 rcS:  * Configuring network interfaces...        [80G
[12:34] <PasNox>  [74G[ ok ]
[12:35] <mischko> soulrider: it's new and I'll be making it do more than just routing.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> mischko: you'll need to install and configure dhcpd3-server, use iptables to nat for the wireless, and enable forwarding. A good place to start is probably linux router how-to's.
[12:35] <soulrider> ahhh, ok mischko
[12:36] <mischko> LeeJunFan: I'm familiar with some of that.  Wireless specific config is not familiar.  How to make it only do 802.11b/g, not a, for instance?
[12:38] <eilker> !visudo
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about visudo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:38] <Assimilator> ello
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> mischko: that's different per card. iwpriv mibs differ from manufacturer to manufacturer, so if I told you how to enable B only or G only on atheros it wouldn't work the same on prism2.
[12:39] <mischko> Ok.  I think I'll be getting an atheros card.
[12:39] <NightBird> hm.... xgl and bery don't seem to like feisty beta..
[12:39] <aaron_> Is direct rendering what is stopping me from having good frames per second
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> mischko: that would be my recommendation - I like the madwifi-ng drivers.
[12:39] <mischko> LeeJunFan: these drivers use the ndiswrapper kludge?
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> mischko: although I'm not sure I'd say the madwifi-ng is commercial quality driver just yet.
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> mischko: no.
[12:40] <Assimilator> yeah i got some issues with the beta
[12:40] <mischko> LeeJunFan: I'm ok with non-commercial quality. I have a wireless router to fall back on if it doesn't go well.
[12:40] <mischko> Is Prism better supported?
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> I've been using madwifi-ng on a single board access point I made for outdoor use (I own a wireless ISP), and it's a good thing that thing has a hardware watchdog to reboot when the madwifi drivers oops.
[12:41] <NightBird> hm... I think I might have found the problem.... fglrx didn't load properly..
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> mischko: prism is more stable, the firmware is in the card usually.
[12:42] <NightBird> because it's meant for the 2.6.17 kernel, and not the 2.6.20 kernel it's running oh...
[12:42] <mischko> LeeJunFan: Who makes prism based cards?
[12:42] <Assimilator> tried to install stuff from adept and it crashed and now adept want load in write mode saying there is still another instance of adept running I tried to find the running process to shut it down but no sucess the only way I could fix it was to reinstall kubuntu
[12:43] <fdoving> !adept crash fix | assimilator
[12:43] <ubotu> assimilator: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:43] <Assimilator> ahh ok
[12:44] <Phoenix92x> my  laptop (Dell latitude D610) has a media bay hard drive which used to be detected under linux and now isnt, is still detected by windows. 40GB FAT partition, 40GB Ext3 partition. Any ideas?
[12:45] <Assimilator> i'm not sure if i'm happy with KDE anyway I may slip back to ubuntu
[12:47] <NightBird> o_O
[12:47] <eagles0513875> O_o
[12:47] <NightBird> I just tried 'sudo ifdown eth0' and I got the message that it's not configured... so I try 'sudo ifup eth0' and I get the message that it's already configured
[12:48] <Phoenix92x> I'll be back in a moment
[12:49] <NightBird> ok
[12:51] <m03> <- kubuntu virgin
[12:51] <m03> lovin it
[12:51] <NightBird> congrats
[12:51] <gravygoat> nice m03
[12:52] <m03> just had some issues with my wlan0, but all sorted now everything's working great
[12:52] <gravygoat> Anyone tried installing beryl from the feist universe repo?  Looks like beryl-plugins is missing
[12:52] <jhutchins> m03: You on Edgy or Feisty?
[12:53] <m03> Edgy
[12:53] <Freeza^> is kubuntu herd 5 cd the same as kubuntu 7.04 beta cd?
[12:53] <m03> btw what is the default root password? I do `su` and it asks me for a pass that I never had the option to set
[12:54] <Skuller> hey guys. i added a repo this morning to get the latest version of nvidia drivers (not authenticated ones ofcourse, so i could get some features used by beryl to work), but those drivers screwed up my X big time. they messed up the sync rates and also the screen size went nuts (53hz), the borders of the screen frames were bent inwards, etc. Currently i am using 'nv' as my driver. what should i do?, switch back to the
[12:54] <gravygoat> m03 use your own password
[12:54] <Skuller> previous nvidia drivers? if yes then how?
[12:54] <m03> that is what I assumed
[12:54] <Freeza^> you dont need su on debian based systems
[12:54] <m03> but I get authentication failure
[12:54] <Freeza^> just do sudo before the command
[12:54] <gravygoat> m03 ah, sorry do sudo
[12:54] <Freeza^> and it will ask for your password
[12:54] <m03> ah
[12:54] <m03> ty
[12:55] <m03> sometimes i just wanna be root!
[12:55] <jhutchins> !sudo | m03
[12:55] <ubotu> m03: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:55] <mherweg> sudo bash
[12:55] <jhutchins> !kdesu | m03
[12:55] <ubotu> m03: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:56] <m03> thanks for that jhutchins
[12:56] <jhutchins> mherweg: Actually, that's not really a good idea, see the sudo page for why.  There is another way.
[12:56] <m03> how about sudo nano /etc/shadow
[12:56] <jhutchins> m03: Glad to be of help.
[12:56] <m03> lol j/p
[12:57] <ins-dragonclaw> *inhales*
[12:57] <ins-dragonclaw> Can anyone help with Kontact?
[12:57] <m03> by the way anyone play with kftpgrabber?
[12:57] <Freeza^> so which is newer? kubuntu-7.04-beta-desktop-i386.iso or feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[12:57] <jhutchins> m03: The actual root account password is locked so you can't log in or su -.
[12:57] <m03> love it
[12:57] <gravygoat> what's the question about kontact
[12:58] <jhutchins> Freeza^: Dunno, we're still Edgy support here.
[12:58] <ins-dragonclaw> i want to sync my k750i contacts to kontact. apparently all i need is multisync, but i;m still having a hard time
[12:58] <m03> wow konversation has a built in console :))
[12:58] <jhutchins> Freeza^: I'd guess that feisty-desktop might be Gnome.
[12:58] <Tm_T> Freeza^: #ubuntu+1 for that thanks
[12:58] <Freeza^> ok
[12:58] <aaron> I restarted my comp and am suddenly in Gnome please I need help
[12:58] <m03> haha
[12:58] <soulrider> Freeza^: maybe you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:59] <aaron> I tried editing like xorg-driver fglxr or somethign
[12:59] <soulrider> aaron: you want KDE ?
[12:59] <aaron> yea
[12:59] <soulrider> aaron: log out and in session type select KDE :P
[12:59] <aaron> I have Kubuntu and suddenly I am in gnome
[12:59] <ins-dragonclaw> I think i finally figured out why people like KDE more
[12:59] <ins-dragonclaw> it has a cute mascot :)
[12:59] <aaron> ok so I would have to disable autologin so how do I do that without acces to the preferences
[12:59] <soulrider> lol ins-dragonclaw i dont find it to be that cute
[12:59] <aaron> I cant get at em
[01:00] <ins-dragonclaw> ahh
[01:00] <jhutchins> aaron: Should be selectable when you log in if you have both.
[01:00] <ins-dragonclaw> it's relative
[01:00] <soulrider> aaron: cant you log out ?
[01:00] <jhutchins> aaron: If you log out, not shut down, you should get a login screen where you can select it.
[01:00] <soulrider> aaron: you could also remove GNOME and restart
[01:01] <soulrider> aaron: managed to do it ?
[01:01] <aaron> it booted into gnome again
[01:01] <N6REJ> BluesKaj: you still here?
[01:01] <soulrider> did you restart or log out ?
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> oh i'm getting somewhere
[01:01] <ins-dragonclaw> does this make sense to anyone?
[01:02] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: uhm ?
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> Library files for "libmultisynkpart.la" not found in paths.
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> Ctrl+c was being difficult
[01:02] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: what are you trying to do ?
[01:02] <ins-dragonclaw> sync my phone contacts to Kontact
[01:02] <soulrider> oh, i cant help you there =/
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> :|
[01:03] <N6REJ> anyone care to help me get my dual boot working?
[01:03] <aaron> ok got it
[01:03] <soulrider> linux hates my nokia 3100:P
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:03] <soulrider> N6REJ: sure
[01:03] <aaron> that was a close one I was like what the gnome, nooooo
[01:03] <aaron> lol
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> mkay. how the hell do i get apt-get to work?
[01:03] <N6REJ> hiya soulrider.. haven't spoken to you in a while... look here... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11922/
[01:03] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: whata re you trying to install ?
[01:03] <ins-dragonclaw> multisync
[01:03] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: sudo apt-get install or what ever
[01:04] <soulrider> N6REJ: just a sec, i decided to use IRSII, udnno why, let me get on Konversation :P
[01:04] <N6REJ> k
[01:04] <Betzefer> any one needs help ?
[01:04] <soulrider> im back
[01:04] <soulrider> N6REJ: can you please paste that link agai n?
[01:04] <N6REJ> that was fast lol
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> my Konsole has a pretty 3D matrix backdrop...
[01:04] <N6REJ> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11922/
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> Reading state information... Done
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> E: Couldn't find package multisync
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> apt-get can't find anything
[01:04] <Tm_T> soulrider: I wonder how using irssi restrict you to open links...
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> 2 lines!
[01:04] <ins-dragonclaw> ok i'll make it 1 next time :)
[01:05] <soulrider> Tm_T: i dont think i can clickt hem, can i ?
[01:05] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: 2 is fine
[01:05] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: sudo apt-cache search multi sync
[01:05] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:05] <Tm_T> soulrider: with klipper you can doubleclick, but err, you can copy&paste ;--P
[01:05] <soulrider> N6REJ: ill be back in a sec, hold on please
[01:05] <N6REJ> k
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> it's the KitchenSync of apps ;)
[01:06] <jhutchins> !software | ins-dragonclaw
[01:06] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[01:06] <m03> I found my distro :) I'm happy finally
[01:06] <ins-dragonclaw> now i know for sure that Kubuntu comes with -everything-
[01:06] <N6REJ> lol
[01:06] <jhutchins> !repos | ins-dragonclaw
[01:06] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:06] <m03> only thing I don't like is it comes with too much
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: ?
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> ubotu - bookmarked. I just want to get one thing working at a time
[01:07] <aaron> ok so now all I need to know is how to enable direct rendering
[01:07] <ins-dragonclaw> m03 - SUSE comes with too much :/
[01:07] <aaron> since I think that is why I get such low fps
[01:07] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: what does multisync do that makes it so good
[01:07] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: You'll probably want to enable universe and multiverse, and you may want to add some third-party ones.
[01:07] <jhutchins> !easysources | ins-dragonclaw
[01:07] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: makes my SE-K750i and Kontact talk
[01:08] <m03> indeed it does
[01:08] <m03> i've been in a SUSE mess before
[01:08] <ins-dragonclaw> jhutchins: what's with all the ! ? lol
[01:08] <N6REJ> cell phone?
[01:08] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: Ubotu, the channel bot, is triggered by !keyword.
[01:09] <jhutchins> !botsnack
[01:09] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:09] <N6REJ> !ubotu | ins-dragonclaw
[01:09] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:09] <Phoenix92x> I'm running edgy on my laptop which has a media bay which I have an 80 GB HD for, a DVDRW a floppy drive and a 2nd battery. I'd like to be able to eject the hard drive for instance once I've unmounted all its partitions. Yet when I eject the drive I check /dev and sdb, sdb1 and sdb2 are still listed. Does ayone have any idea what I can do about that? Same goes for the DVD drive. (it will still think scd0 is there) Is there any
[01:09] <Phoenix92x> way anyone can think of that I would be able to switch these drives without having to reboot?
[01:10] <ins-dragonclaw> source-o-matic has one major problem - it's Ubuntu. I'm on KUbuntu
[01:10] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: Kubuntu is UBUNTU with KDE instead of gnome  Thats the only diff
[01:11] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: same with edubuntu, xubuntu, etc.
[01:11] <ins-dragonclaw> N6REJ: GNOME apps have a hellish time on KDE. I don't want to download GNOME packages with apt-get
[01:11] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: well, Kubuntu uses mainly same sources anyway
[01:12] <N6REJ> ins-dragonclaw: then don't install them.  use adept and you won't by default get gnome apps, read the descriptions before you blindly install soomething :D
[01:12] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: kubuntu is just ubuntu with kde instead of gnome, sources are much the same.
[01:12] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: + kubuntu.org extra
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> blindly install...
[01:12] <eagles0513875> woot opengl is workin
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> ANYway
[01:12] <soulrider> N6REJ: im back, sorry
[01:12] <ins-dragonclaw> bbiab - one of my daemons is being rebellious
[01:12] <N6REJ> np
[01:12] <soulrider> so whats the problem youre having ?
[01:12] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: So the second device doesn't detect?
[01:13] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: correct, and the first device isnt um...undetecting
[01:13] <Phoenix92x> nice to see you again btw, you were really helpful last time we talked, thank you for that
[01:13] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: less of a problem, except...
[01:13] <N6REJ> soulrider: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11922/ I had to install kde BEFORE windows  ( long story ) and because of me putting windows on its own drive I'm having aproblem getting the dual booting to work now
[01:13] <soulrider> ahh, thats easy to fix ^^
[01:13] <soulrider> im guessing youre using the love CD now
[01:14] <Tm_T> !grub
[01:14] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:14] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: /dev usually has all kinds of dummy devices in it.
[01:14] <tmbg_> heh, love CD.
[01:14] <Phoenix92x> ok
[01:14] <Phoenix92x> but yes then, it isnt detecting the new devices
[01:15] <jhutchins> Yeah, I wonder if there's a way you can force it to re-scan the bus and detect them.
[01:15] <jhutchins> Problem is they aren't generating a signal to the hotplug/udev system.
[01:15] <soulrider> N6REJ: read the guide, if you dont udnerstand something just ask me
[01:15] <tmbg_> jhutchins,  apropos MAKEDEV
[01:15] <tmbg_> MAKEDEV (8)          - create devices
[01:16] <N6REJ> soulrider: I'm reading... I'm on page 6? and its not functioning.  Am I doing the wrong method?
[01:16] <soulrider> N6REJ: pm me, and ill explain there
[01:16] <N6REJ> k
[01:17] <sstchur> Does istanbul work under KDE?  I just installed and launched it, but it seems to do a whole lot of nothing
[01:17] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: what would sending a kill -HUP signal to the hotplug/udev system do? would that make it rescan? Im kind of shooting in the dark here
[01:17] <intelikey> eewh yuch i found two packages on my system that really slow down package install/removal    1. scrollkepper  2. gconf*
[01:19] <m03> I have a question and it might be stupid
[01:19] <m03> I just installed kftpgrabber
[01:19] <m03> how would I add a shortcut inside the Internet menu within the K menu?
[01:19] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: I think the problem is that your devices aren't on one of the buses that udev scans.  MAKEDEV does sound promising, man makedev and see if it makes any sense.  I would just give that a try (and if you have to, reboot).
[01:20] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: I had an IBM like that, and I don't remember being able to hot-swap in Windows.
[01:20] <intelikey> m03 kmenuedit ?
[01:20] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: Ill give that a read, sounds promising
[01:20] <m03> thank you intelikey
[01:20] <jhutchins> Phoenix92x: kubuntu may have a higher-level tool for scannig for new hardware, I just don't know it well enough yet.
[01:20] <Phoenix92x> hmm..ya I didnt think my Latitude D610 could do it in windows but I can right click on the "safely remove devices" thing and it goes fine
[01:21] <intelikey> m03 not until you see if it works... i was guessing.
[01:21] <intelikey> thus the "?"
[01:21] <jhutchins> m03: It should have auto added, but you need to reload the menu.  THere's a dcop command that I can never remember, but logging out and back in does it.
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo dmesg | grep tty
[01:22] <ins-dragonclaw> oops O.o
[01:22] <jhutchins> m03: In fact, the script in the .deb _should_ run that command!
[01:23] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw habbit or do you just like sudo ?
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> sudo is the meaning of Linux
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> er, life*
[01:23] <jhutchins> m03: Try running kbuildsycoca in a console, as user.
[01:23] <jhutchins> (no sudo)
[01:23] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:24] <jhutchins> m03: Or just from Alt-F2.
[01:24] <plugs> Hey guys, i'm having trouble isntalling VNC, anybody familiar with it?
[01:24] <jhutchins> ins-dragonclaw: Just make sure not to run GUI apps with it.
 great. Kontact is -so- verbose in it's error messages </sarcasm>
[01:24] <tmbg_> I'm familiar with vnc but not vnc on ubuntu
[01:24] <jhutchins> !kdesu | ins-dragonclaw
[01:24] <ubotu> ins-dragonclaw: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:24] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah - kdesu is familiar to me
[01:24] <jhutchins> Good.
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> but I use GUI apps from the GUI interface :)
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> and now Kontact has suddenly gone mute again
[01:25] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: press alt+f2 to launch one
[01:25] <eagles0513875> anyone having open gl problems with their ati video card
[01:25] <jhutchins> I've been trying to clean up some bad habits here.  People running gui apps as sudo because they don't work as user.  Generally there's no need to run a GUI app as root, except for configuration tools and editing config files.
[01:25] <Skuller> hey guys. i added a repo this morning to get the latest version of nvidia drivers (not authenticated ones ofcourse, so i could get some features of beryl to work), but those drivers screwed up my X big time. they messed up the sync rates (53Hz) and also the screen size went nuts, the borders of the screen frames were bent inwards, etc. Currently i am using 'nv' as my driver. what should i do?, switch back to the previous
[01:25] <Skuller> nvidia drivers? if yes then how?
[01:25] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[01:26] <jhutchins> later folks.
[01:26] <ins-dragonclaw> thanks for the help, jhutchins
[01:26] <soulrider> Skuller: remove the repo
[01:26] <jhutchins> !fixres | skuller
[01:26] <ubotu> skuller: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:26] <soulrider> then apt-get update
[01:26] <sstchur> How do I fix this error when trying to launch Istanbul: "ImportError: No module named gconf"
[01:26] <soulrider> remvoe nvidia-glx
[01:26] <ins-dragonclaw> Press the Big Red Button
[01:26] <soulrider> and install nvidia-glx
[01:27] <soulrider> reconfiguring x might work too :P
[01:27] <Skuller> soulrider: basically i switch back to the old genuine nvidia driver?
[01:27] <soulrider> thats what i would do
[01:27] <soulrider> what repo did you use ?
[01:27] <m03> hm
[01:27] <m03> so it should be in there?
[01:27] <m03> but it isn't until I rehash the menu config?
[01:28] <slylyias> My whole system is running REALLY laggy (virual elements) like all the windows seem to fade in and out frame by frame when ever I minimize them (for example), any idea what I should look for?
[01:28] <m03_> lol now that's a lag right there ^^
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:28] <m03_> m03 will ping out in like 20 secs
[01:28] <intelikey> m03 could be in another local in the menu ?
[01:28] <Kevlar> Okay
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> ./nickserv ghost mo3 <password>
[01:28] <ins-dragonclaw> i _think_
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> if freenode is running Unreal and Anope
[01:29] <slylyias> Anyone have any idea what I should be looking for?
[01:29] <m03_> yeah it is I just dont mind the _
[01:29] <m03_> lol
[01:29] <slylyias> It's only in the past few days that it's been doing this.
[01:29] <m03_> there
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> hehe
[01:29] <ins-dragonclaw> it's sad. I used to be a server admin. Now i can't even remember simple nickserv commands =/
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> shows you what 3 months can do...
[01:30] <m03_> haha
[01:30] <m03_> /ns help
[01:30] <m03_> :)
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ok NOW i need to know what my phone's name is
[01:30] <intelikey> well i totally borked dpkg...   or aptitude did.
[01:30] <tmbg_> ins-dragonclaw, I was pretty sure it was the drugs. ;)
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :|
[01:30] <Kevlar> HELP I'm trying to alter FIREFOX to use the player I want it to use to play realmedia files
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> ...right
[01:30] <intelikey> that's the last time i use aptitude.
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> or it could be that the pc clock reads "02:29:08"
[01:30] <ins-dragonclaw> :O
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> 2.30 already!?!
[01:31] <ins-dragonclaw> great
[01:31] <m03_> lol kopete has 0 of my buddies
[01:31] <m03_> but all of my groups
[01:31] <Skuller> soulrider: deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit binary/
[01:31] <slylyias> Sorry, I got disconnected there.
[01:32] <ins-dragonclaw> okay... I know that sdptool browse will give lots of info about services on a bluetooth device. is there a similar command for USB devices?
[01:33] <intelikey> lsusb ?
[01:33] <m03_> jhutchins: it did add it, I must be blind or it took a while to show :P
[01:33] <Kevlar> Anyone know anything about FIREFOX?
[01:33] <slylyias> is there a way for me to tell what on my system is using how much of which system resources? (I'm sorry I'm new to ubuntu)
[01:33] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw what about the hardware browser ?
[01:34] <intelikey> slylyias ksysguard
[01:34] <intelikey> slylyias xtop top ps
[01:34] <eagles0513875> sly hit ctrl esc
[01:35] <Phoenix92x> jhutchins: makedev doesn't seem to do it as far as I can tell
[01:35] <zerothis> Ctrl+Alt+Bksp doesn't seem to be working.
[01:35] <Phoenix92x> mainly working with the makedev update command
[01:35] <m03_> same with alt+f4
[01:36] <slylyias> It seems like there is nothing out of the ordinary there, however all my graphics related events seem to be taking forever.
[01:36] <intelikey> Phoenix92x makedev ?
[01:36] <slylyias> Could it be I need to reinstall the graphics drivers?
[01:37] <stra> hello
[01:37] <slylyias> And if so how do I do that?
[01:37] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: it was suggested as a possible tool to make the system rescan the bus
[01:38] <intelikey> Phoenix92x i've never heard of makedev....    now  MAKEDEV might work.   but be careful where you run it.
[01:38] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: sorry, MAKEDEV is what I meant
[01:38] <intelikey> oh ok.
[01:38] <eagles0513875> how can i add a channel to my list of fav channels
[01:39] <ins-dragonclaw> okay. that was scary
[01:39] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: it didnt seem to detect that sdb wasn't there anymore...(swappable HD via a media bay0
[01:39] <intelikey> slylyias grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf  will show what drivers you are using...
[01:40] <slylyias> How can I reinstall my graphics drivers in kubuntu?
[01:40] <intelikey> Phoenix92x modprobe the driver for it ?
[01:40] <b0rt> hey there, any help on what to use for a kubuntu liveCD customization?
[01:40] <tmbg_> slylyias, it seems like you can from synaptic
[01:41] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: entirely unsure as to the driver for them, the devices are detected on boot for me normally
[01:41] <intelikey> slylyias what drive are you using ?
[01:41] <morvok> the sound of a 2gb hd groaning away.. ahh.. the memorys..
[01:41] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:42] <morvok> running it in a p4.. priceless.
[01:42] <slylyias> I just grepped it and it hung
[01:42] <slylyias> no outpit
[01:42] <intelikey> Phoenix92x normally (there are exceptions) the driver/module name and hardware id are close enough to tab complete the module.
[01:42] <slylyias> output even
[01:42] <ins-dragonclaw> ok... lsusb -v dumps a -lot- of info. All i needed was a name :/
[01:42] <intelikey> Phoenix92x using bash completion
[01:42] <slylyias> What is synaptic?
[01:42] <tmbg_> heh. I threw a 20mb hard disk on a pentium 200MHz back in the day.
[01:42] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: not sure how I would attain the hardware id.
[01:42] <tmbg_> it slowed the bus down so horribly
[01:43] <Timba> Problem: Just booted today onto the Kubuntu-desktop and attempted to login. Screen flashed black as if to attempt to login, and comes right back to the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:43] <tmbg_> slylyias, it's a package manager.
[01:43] <tmbg_> it's nice, I like it.
[01:43] <intelikey> dmesg | less  and look.   or lshw | less   and look....
[01:43] <intelikey> slylyias what command did you use ?   show me ?
[01:43] <lunitik> Hey, is beryl's aquamarine currently on it's way into universe? I'd really like to use it...
[01:43] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: after inserting the disk right?
[01:43] <intelikey> yes
[01:43] <Phoenix92x> ok
[01:44] <Phoenix92x> I'll try that
[01:44] <slylyias> Okay, fixed my typo, the grep says I'm using "kbd", "mouse" "wacom" "wacom" "wacom" and "nv"
[01:44] <Phoenix92x> thank you
[01:44] <intelikey> slylyias nv is the vidio driver.
[01:44] <zerothis> did i get kick-banned ? did i do something wrong?
[01:44] <slylyias> so how can I reinstall it?
[01:45] <b0rt> how can i make a kubuntu liveCD customization? (select packages, customize look)
[01:45] <Timba> Problem: Just booted today onto the Kubuntu-desktop and attempted to login. Screen flashed black as if to attempt to login, and comes right back to the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:45] <intelikey> slylyias konsole # usdo apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install xserver-xorg-driver-nv
[01:45] <eagles0513875> anyone use konversation
[01:45] <b0rt> i do eagles0513875
[01:45] <Agnostic> me
[01:45] <lunitik> eagles0513875: yes...
[01:46] <intelikey> but that's not likely to help you.  it is the answer to your question tho
[01:46] <slylyias> intelikey:  What will help  me then?
[01:46] <intelikey> !nv | slylyias
[01:46] <ubotu> slylyias: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:46] <slylyias> intelikey: I don't have any idea what is wrong
[01:46] <intelikey> if you want more out of your X read there ^
[01:47] <slylyias> my X used to run fine, now it runs sllooooowww, what should I check?
[01:47] <sstchur> how would i do an upgrade from edgy to feisty?
[01:47] <intelikey> slylyias i don't either.   you are probably running beryl or something     i have no idea what you added.
[01:47] <eagles0513875> lunitik how do i add a chanell to my list of channel
[01:47] <eagles0513875> to the server list
[01:47] <eagles0513875> its the #ubuntu-effects channel
[01:48] <slylyias> what is beryl?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> eagles0513875: Huh?
[01:48] <lunitik> eagles0513875: 'edit' then simply hit 'add'
[01:48] <Timba> Problem: Just booted today onto the Kubuntu-desktop and attempted to login. Screen flashed black as if to attempt to login, and comes right back to the login screen. Any suggestions?
[01:48] <DaSkreech> !beryl | slylyias
[01:48] <ubotu> slylyias: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:48] <intelikey> slylyias ok it's not beryl then....
[01:48] <eagles0513875> add where
[01:48] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[01:48] <DaSkreech> Timba: Can you login through the cli?
[01:48] <eagles0513875> i dont have add as an option lunitik
[01:48] <b0rt> eagles0513875: f2  edit and add all autoconnect channels as you want
[01:49] <slylyias> I feel really stupid and tired, isn't there anyway I can fix this?
[01:49] <eagles0513875> what u trying to fix
[01:49] <eagles0513875> ty bort
[01:49] <intelikey> slylyias what's wrong with it ?
[01:49] <lunitik> eagles0513875: near the bottem 'auto join channels'
[01:49] <slylyias> My x environment is running very slowly
[01:49] <slylyias> like all the windows fade in frame by frame
[01:50] <b0rt> edgy?
[01:50] <slylyias> yes
[01:50] <b0rt> slylyias: on aiglx?
[01:50] <slylyias> what is aiglx?
[01:50] <ins-dragonclaw> slylyias: did you turn window translucency on?
[01:50] <m03_> god I can't even tell you how much I love spilling water on myself
[01:50] <zerothis> since ctrl+alt+bksp isn't working, is there another quick way to restart x? cli perhaps?
[01:50] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[01:50] <slylyias> I think I did, but I don't remember how.
[01:51] <slylyias> How do I turn translucency off?
[01:51] <DaSkreech> slylyias: Do you have firefox open?
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Alt+F3
[01:51] <slylyias> yes
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Configure Window Behavious
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Translucency
[01:51] <ins-dragonclaw> Behaivour* ^x2
[01:51] <DaSkreech> zerothis: Do you know how to jump terminals?
[01:51] <b0rt> so beryl on xgl?
[01:51] <levi_> Any idea how to get Kaffiene/Amarok to play Mp3 files?
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> levi_: install libxine-extracodecs
[01:52] <zerothis> jump terminals? as in ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[01:52] <slylyias> Woo hoo! I removed all the special effects!
[01:52] <b0rt> f1-f6
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> it'll need libmad0 and something else
[01:52] <DaSkreech> zerothis: yup
[01:52] <slylyias> Now it's all running quickly
[01:52] <zerothis> yes, i can jump terminals
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> that was quick, slylyias O.o
[01:52] <slylyias> well, more quickly at least
[01:52] <ins-dragonclaw> heheh
[01:52] <m03_> anyone know of a good way of tunneling through a specified app?
[01:52] <slylyias> What is aiglx?
[01:53] <ins-dragonclaw> *no idea*
[01:53] <DaSkreech> zerothis: jump to a terminal and do a sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:53] <ins-dragonclaw> 64MB onboard shared Video RAM doesn't lend itself to flashy GUI environments
[01:53] <Timba> I'm attempting to login using "cli", I guess, command line comes up, after typing in loginname I get a "configuration error - unkown item 'FAIL_DELAY'".
[01:53] <b0rt> slylyias: xgl and aiglx are gfx motors or sth like that
[01:53] <b0rt> sorry for my english
[01:53] <levi_> that didnt work.
[01:54] <b0rt> xgl its like for high-end graphics card
[01:54] <ins-dragonclaw> levi_: did you try playing an MP3 in Amarok?
[01:54] <levi_> yeah
[01:54] <levi_> and that failed too
[01:54] <ins-dragonclaw> ctrl+Q and restart Amarok
[01:54] <levi_> installing the codecs that way
[01:54] <slylyias> I have a 7800 GTX (nvidia) with 256mb of graphical ram, should be able to handle a flashy gui, so what is wrong? Why won't it allow me to run X properly with all the effects?
[01:54] <b0rt> aiglx is similar to direct3D
[01:55] <b0rt> in wind0ws
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> i can't remember the libxine-extracodecs dependancy tree ...
[01:55] <tmbg_> slylyias, same card I have.
[01:55] <b0rt> (cough)
[01:55] <DaSkreech> b0rt: Not really :)
[01:55] <levi_> Aha..
[01:55] <levi_> I see..
[01:55] <slylyias> So how do I set it up?
[01:55] <levi_> though it said installation failed.
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:55] <levi_> It works anyway.. iunno..
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> that's why Linux comes with human operators :)
[01:55] <DaSkreech> Timba: Where is the command line?
[01:55] <levi_> Im just gonna go with the luck I just had xD
[01:55] <b0rt> DaSkreech: not?
[01:55] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[01:55] <slylyias> tmbg_: How do I set it up?
[01:55] <DaSkreech> b0rt: not really :)
[01:56] <b0rt> what?
[01:56] <b0rt> tell me. i want to learn =P
[01:56] <levi_> thanks
[01:56] <ins-dragonclaw> *sighs* I guess I have to create 150 contacts by hand... my phone flat-out refuses to sync
[01:56] <djwilcox> libdvdcss2 is missing has it been taken down
[01:56] <tmbg_> slylyias, I didn't have to do anything special. what have you changed?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> b0rt: D3d is a API Like openGL
[01:57] <Timba> DaSkreech: After I did a "Ctl-ALT-F6" I got a command line. That's the login commandline I'm seeing.
[01:57] <m03_> alright guys thanks for the help you've provided
[01:57] <m03_> cya soon
[01:57] <DaSkreech> b0rt: xgl is a program that makes use of D3D or OpenGL
[01:57] <DaSkreech> Timba: Ok good
[01:57] <DaSkreech>  you put in your name and password?
[01:58] <djwilcox> trying to install libdvdcss2 but it says the package is missing
[01:58] <Timba> Yes...my login name. Then, I'm getting a configuration error - unknown item 'FAIL_DELAY'.
[01:59] <Timba> But, then asks for my Password on the next line.
[01:59] <DaSkreech> does it log you in with your password?
[03:00] <slylyias> tmbg_: How do I check what I have changed?
[03:00] <b0rt> oh ic, what about aiglx?
[03:00] <intelikey> ic ?    ek ?
[03:00] <DaSkreech> b0rt: You know X.org?
[03:00] <Timba> But, after that...it appears to log me onto a command line, yes.
[03:01] <b0rt> im on it
[03:01] <DaSkreech> Timba: Hmm ok
[03:01] <intelikey> o i c u r using letters 4 words
[03:01] <tmbg_> slylyias, I guess you couuld back up your existing xorg.conf, and then run that script thingy to ask you a bunch of questions and generate a new xorg.conf. instructions are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:01] <DaSkreech> b0rt: Well AIGLX is a plugin or module for X.org that allows it to use OpenGL
[03:01] <DaSkreech> XGL is a replacement for X.org that uses OpenGL
[03:02] <b0rt> well then, u have made no differences
[03:02] <zerothis> perfect, the kdm restart did the trick
[03:02] <Alonea> what can I do if I am getting missing stuff from recycling bin or access denied?
[03:02] <b0rt> ic
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Timba: Alright can you do a tail on .xsession-errors
[03:03] <Alonea> DaSkreech: my recycle bin still hates me..
[03:03] <DaSkreech> What did it say about your matta?
[03:04] <eilker> intelikey: were you in non-gui enviroment , right ? how can i be on irc in non-gui ?
[03:04] <intelikey> eilker irssi
[03:04] <Alonea> DaSkreech: The file or folder /home/alonea/.local/share/Trash/files/rockbox_1 does not exist.
[03:04] <eilker> !irssi
[03:04] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface !IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Alonea: Does it?
[03:05] <ins-dragonclaw> so is Konversation!
[03:05] <intelikey> eilker epic/bitchx    and xchat-text   as well as things like eggdrop can get you there
[03:05] <intelikey> here
[03:05] <intelikey> there
[03:05] <Alonea> DaSkreech: no
[03:05] <DaSkreech> Alonea: What's the problem then?
[03:06] <Alonea> DaSkreech: I can't empty my recycle bin at all now
[03:07] <Alonea> intelikey: whats that do?
[03:07] <eilker> intelikey: trying to find repo for it , coming there :)
[03:07] <soulrider> Alonea: you can manually delete whats in your trash
[03:07] <DaSkreech> Alonea: The black hole of doom
[03:08] <DaSkreech> soulrider: I don't think that's the problem
[03:08] <Alonea> soulrider: but then it just makes more copies and copies in there...
[03:08] <soulrider> do this
[03:08] <soulrider> go to
[03:08] <soulrider> hold on, let me try and remember the location'
[03:09] <Alonea> ./local/share/Trash/files place?
[03:09] <soulrider>  ~/.local/share/Trash
[03:09] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:09] <soulrider> select everything and press delete while holding shift
[03:09] <DaSkreech> !paste | Timba
[03:09] <ubotu> Timba: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:09] <intelikey> eilker repo for irssi ?  it's installed
[03:10] <soulrider> this should bring build-essential installe dby default
[03:10] <Alonea> soulrider: Access denied to /home/alonea/.local/share/Trash/files/rockbox_2/.svn/entries.
[03:10] <intelikey> Alonea /dev/null is the black hole of the linux world  anything that goes in there is for ever gone.
[03:10] <soulrider> intelikey: whats so awesome! :P
[03:11] <Alonea> ooo, pretty black hole..
[03:11] <soulrider> uhm
[03:11] <intelikey> soulrider ?
[03:11] <soulrider> maybe go there with a konsole and just do rm -r *.* ?
[03:11] <intelikey> *.* is so M$'ish
[03:11] <Alonea> soulrider: er, what if I do the delete thing you told me in kdesu konqueror?
[03:11] <soulrider> damn, i hate the sounds form k3b!
[03:11] <soulrider> intelikey: indeed
[03:11] <soulrider> i never really learned to use rm here
[03:12] <soulrider> i would have used del *.* on DOS when iw as 5 :P
[03:12] <intelikey> and most things in trash would fail *.* test because they would have no . it the name.
[03:12] <soulrider> intelikey: youre so right
[03:12] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Umm replace them?
[03:12] <soulrider> DaSkreech: replcae what ?
[03:12] <soulrider> ah
[03:13] <soulrider> the sounds
[03:13] <DaSkreech> The sounds
[03:13] <soulrider> uhm, no, i just forgot to disable them when i reinstalled
[03:14] <Alonea> soulrider: ok, doing it in kdesu konqueror worked
[03:14] <soulrider> cool Alonea
[03:14] <intelikey> heh sounds in kde  hehhe... all i get is breaking glass  :)
[03:14] <Alonea> now, hopefully the thing will work
[03:15] <soulrider> Alonea: i dont know why, but my first installation of kubuntu wouldnt delete file,s just store them there! i found out while using filelight
[03:15] <DaSkreech> intelikey: That's been banned at my office
[03:15] <DaSkreech>  I use motorcycle sounds or peel out sounds now
[03:15] <DaSkreech> They all hate me
[03:15] <soulrider> intelikey: breaking glass? =/
[03:15] <Alonea> soulrider: wierd.
[03:15] <soulrider> the console beeps ?
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> #kubuntu - 361 nicks (0 ops)
[03:16] <Alonea> i hate the console beep, though it is funny when my whole entire computer science class jumped when it did it
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> we're in a state of anarchy...
[03:16] <soulrider> LOL
[03:16] <soulrider> lol ins-dragonclaw
[03:16] <Alonea> sweet. no ops
[03:16] <ins-dragonclaw> oO
[03:16] <soulrider> yuu can call them, they come as fast as batman, but its like pressing the emergency stop button, you dont wanna do it
[03:16] <Alonea> i bet
[03:17] <ins-dragonclaw> how many of you are registered at http://counter.li.org ?
[03:17] <soulrider> i kind of called them once :P
[03:17] <Alonea> never heard of it ins-dragonclaw
[03:17] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:17] <Tm_T> yes, I have heard ops can torture you to death etc
[03:17] <Alonea> did you get bitched at soulrider?
[03:17] <sebr> hmm, i can't seem to get encypted dvds to work under feisty - any tips?
[03:17] <soulrider> i think i registered there once
[03:17] <soulrider> no Alonea someone was spamming here lol
[03:18] <soulrider> sebr: libcss?
[03:18] <Alonea> soulrider: oh, ok. good
[03:18] <Tm_T> !dvd | sebr
[03:18] <ubotu> sebr: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[03:18] <soulrider> or libdecss whatever :P
[03:18] <sebr> soulrider: yeah, but i don;t know where to find it
[03:18] <zerothis> not just anarchy, forced anarchy
[03:18] <soulrider> repos :_
[03:18] <Tm_T> sebr: btw hi :)
[03:18] <ins-dragonclaw> ...forced...
[03:18] <sebr> hey Tm_T :) - long time...
[03:18] <soulrider> i dont know why, but lately i cant download for the repos at more then 20kb a sec!
[03:19] <soulrider> i was so happy that i got upgraded to 1mbit :P
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Alonea: gtg?
[03:19] <ins-dragonclaw> hey, is there an applet for the taskbar that shows bandwidth usage?
[03:19] <sebr> Tm_T: those packages don't seem to be available for 7.04
[03:19] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: no, but i use knetload
[03:19] <soulrider> its wonderful!
[03:19] <intelikey> yeah chan ops are not what you have to watch out for, it's the ircops that k-line ya for being... you.
[03:19] <Tm_T> sebr: medibuntu is your friend
[03:19] <sebr> what the hell is that
[03:20] <Tm_T> http://medibuntu.sos-sts.com/repo/
[03:20] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[03:20] <soulrider> i havnt seen hawkwind in ages!
[03:20] <zerothis> so where is the _proper_ place for a shell script that i create myself? /usr/bin/ ? something i want to type in terminal and/or hide in my menu so it can have a shortcut key?
[03:20] <Tm_T> !ohmy | sebr
[03:20] <ubotu> sebr: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:20] <Alonea> DaSkreech: me, leave? never~!
[03:20] <Tm_T> zerothis: ~/bin perhaps?
[03:21] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider:  xfce4-netload-plugin - network load monitor plugin for the Xfce4 panel <-- that one?
[03:21] <soulrider> i would put it in /usr/bin but im messy and a terrible administrator :P
[03:21] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: no, thats for the xfce panel! :P
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Alonea: Good to go?
[03:21] <intelikey> zerothis /usr/local/bin is notmally empty and in your path.  but do be sure and let root own the script and have th only write permission
[03:21] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: sudo aptitude install knetload
[03:21] <DaSkreech> The trash works?
[03:21] <ins-dragonclaw> ahh
[03:21] <Tm_T> intelikey: good point
[03:21] <DaSkreech> Timba: poke
[03:21] <zerothis> yes, forced. anarchy = no organised authority, forced anarchy =  no authority possible
[03:22] <soulrider> zerothis: there is authority here, just hiding :P
[03:22] <intelikey> notmally ???  normally  i meant
[03:22] <ins-dragonclaw> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "knetload"
[03:22] <ins-dragonclaw> nasty
[03:22] <soulrider> but as you can see, no one ever goes berserk here, its a friendly place
[03:22] <soulrider> i would like the world to be more like thic channel
[03:22] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: you enavled universe/multiverse ?
[03:22] <soulrider> !info knetload
[03:22] <soulrider> lol ins-dragonclaw
[03:22] <intelikey> soulrider just SHUT UP !
[03:23] <ubotu> knetload: a network meter for Kicker. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3-3build1 (edgy), package size 74 kB, installed size 720 kB
[03:23] <ins-dragonclaw> LOL
[03:23] <intelikey> grin :)
[03:23] <Kr4t05> Hrm...
[03:23] <Kr4t05> Okay, I have a question.
[03:23] <Tm_T> intelikey: krhm
[03:23] <soulrider> i feel hated now :( im gonna shut up forever
[03:23] <DaSkreech> zerothis: Who is expected to use it?
[03:23] <Tm_T> soulrider: please don't
[03:23] <Jonty> what is the package to install for kernel sources?
[03:23] <soulrider> and send a virus to intelikey to format his c:
[03:23] <zerothis> i thouhgt H E 2*(hockey sticks) was removed for the deadly words list years ago
[03:24] <intelikey> soulrider that was response to "as you can see, no one ever goes berserk here,"  :)
[03:24] <Tm_T> Jonty: kernel-source perhaps?
[03:24] <kmi> hi... does anyone know if there is a way to replace grub for lilo on kubuntu?
[03:24] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: to install knetload youre gonna ahve to enable universe
[03:24] <sebr> grub > lilo
[03:24] <aaron> is it possible to get firefox 2.0 on ubuntu
[03:24] <soulrider> ah, im kinda slow today :P
[03:24] <Alonea> DaSkreech: oh! on trash bucket, it looks good. got video card up too and dual booting windows again. just need to get this box to compile rockbox
[03:24] <intelikey> :)
[03:24] <ins-dragonclaw> ookay. now, soulrider, how exactly do i do that?
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Skuller: yo :)
[03:24] <Kr4t05> If I were to do DISPLAY=1: sudo startx /etc/X11/configuration.file, that would start a second xserver on DISPLAY 1 using the provided config, right?
[03:24] <soulrider> aaron: sudo aptitude install firefox
[03:24] <DaSkreech> intelikey: careful he can ride your soul
[03:24] <soulrider> !repos > ins-dragonclaw
[03:24] <Skuller> DaSkreech: hey man
[03:24] <aaron> thanks man
[03:24] <DaSkreech> Skuller: how goes?
[03:24] <Jonty> Tm_T: "kernel-source-2.4.27"
[03:24] <intelikey> soulrider that's why i followed with  "<intelikey> grin :) "
[03:24] <Jonty> I don't think so :P
[03:24] <Tm_T> Jonty: linux-source to be precise
[03:25] <soulrider> Skuller: got your problems sorted out ?
 intelikey: careful he can ride your soul <-- Oo
[03:25] <Skuller> DaSkreech: poor man...problems with X, nvidia drivers, beryl, etc.
[03:25] <soulrider> intelikey: got it :P
[03:25] <Jonty> Tm_T: I installed that earlier today
[03:25] <zerothis> intelikey: got it. slowly i am repairing the damage done by M$ and lerning things right
[03:25] <Tm_T> Jonty: and?
[03:25] <soulrider> zerothis: wonderful
[03:25] <Skuller> soulrider: i downloaded the latest drivers from the nvidia site but it wont install using 'sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run', says that i need to close X to install
[03:25] <Jonty> Tm_T: but it seems like only the makefiles are there
[03:26] <intelikey> zerothis k.
[03:26] <Jonty> (in /usr/src/linux)
[03:26] <aaron> I need firefox 2.0 on Ubuntu 6.06lts sorry the aptitude thing didnt work
[03:26] <DaSkreech> !fhs
[03:26] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[03:26] <aaron> I got 1.5 right now
[03:26] <Skuller> DaSkreech: what about you?, how u doing?
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> guys
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> Asking ubotu to accept upload of "Kubuntu" (16,755,154.0 TB)
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> What
[03:26] <soulrider> Skuller: you need to go to one of the consoles (alt+ctrl+fx) kill X and run the script
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> is that file?
[03:26] <ins-dragonclaw> i don't need a 16-million terabyte file
[03:26] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Not bad trying to pull together some apis and get a perfect Windows program running in Wine
[03:26] <soulrider> aaron: did you enable universe and multiverse ?
[03:27] <aaron> yea I am pretty sure
[03:27] <Skuller> DaSkreech: cool...which one would that be?
[03:27] <DaSkreech> WTLib
[03:27] <aaron> I dled firefox and it got me 1.5 but I want 2.0
[03:27] <DaSkreech> It has a drop down calendar that I can't get working
[03:27] <aaron> and I cant seem to get it
[03:27] <Skuller> ohh
[03:27] <Skuller> soulrider: fx?
[03:27] <soulrider> aaron: i think you probably didnt enable the repos
[03:27] <soulrider> Skuller: i though X had died on you
[03:28] <DaSkreech> aaron: What Kubuntu are you on?
[03:28] <Tm_T> !firefox | aaron
[03:28] <ubotu> aaron: firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[03:28] <aaron> Kubuntu 6.06lts
[03:28] <kmi> grub doesn't work and neither liloconfig on kubuntu edgy... has anyone also experienced this?
[03:28] <DaSkreech> !info firefox dapper
[03:28] <Tm_T> no idea if that wikipage is uptodate
[03:28] <ubotu> firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (dapper), package size 7761 kB, installed size 22992 kB
[03:28] <Skuller> soulrider: no i am using 'nv' so its working. i downloaded the driver from nvidia.com and it says i need to close X to install...in your instructions u mentioned (ctrl+alt+fx)...what is fx?
[03:28] <soulrider> ohh great news! today i was talking to my dad and he said he was gonna get a new comp. He said he was gonna ask for windows to be installe din a small partition, because he wanted me to install linux on it!
[03:28] <DaSkreech> aaron: There you go
[03:29] <soulrider> x is a number
[03:29] <Tm_T> !info firefox dapper-backports
[03:29] <ubotu> Package firefox does not exist in dapper-backports
[03:29] <Tm_T> hmm
[03:29] <soulrider> press ctrl alt f1
[03:29] <Skuller> ok
[03:29] <soulrider> and then alt f7 to come bakc
[03:29] <intelikey> 16x10^12 bytes  ???
[03:29] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: They can't install Firefox2 in the backports
[03:30] <DaSkreech>  they went over this already
[03:30] <aaron> thanks
[03:30] <ins-dragonclaw> intelikey: I'm sure the Internet isn't that big...
[03:30] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: interesting, and somewhat, uninteresting :)
[03:30] <Jonty> can anyone suggest a reason why after installing linux-source /usr/src/linux still only contains makefiles?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> aaron: You will have to get it from the Mozilla page
[03:31] <soulrider> aaron: remember to get a deb file
[03:31] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw i'm not so sure...   still trying to wrap my head around the total number of boxes and avarage drive size....
[03:31] <soulrider> DaSkreech: cant he get it from the edgy repos ?
[03:31] <ins-dragonclaw> hmmm
[03:32] <DaSkreech> soulrider: yeah
[03:32] <DaSkreech> It's a pain though
[03:32] <aaron> says it worked
[03:32] <soulrider> DaSkreech: packages.ubuntu.com ?
[03:32] <Jonty> can anyone suggest a reason why after installing linux-source /usr/src/linux still only contains makefiles and includes?
[03:32] <intelikey> if 9 to 1 is avaridge  there probably is.
[03:32] <ins-dragonclaw> throw in the NSA, DARPA and the pentagon, the dark web and the rest of the internet, and you'll probably come close to 1 million terabytes. It's a good thing we know that software has bugs, sometimes :)
[03:33] <aaron> yup it worked sweet thanks
[03:33] <Skuller> soulrider: ok i screwed up things
[03:33] <DaSkreech> soulrider: no in that the depends make you update a bunch of stuff
[03:33] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: dark web? O.O
[03:34] <intelikey> Skuller ?
[03:34] <Skuller> soulrider: ctrl alt f1 opened a black screen where i couldnt type anything but there were many errors...i did ctrl alt f1 and i got a terminal thingy and i did the install script and it said that the X server was running and that i needed to close it inorder to continue
[03:34] <sebr> Tm_T: awesome, medibuntu worked
[03:34] <DaSkreech> Skuller: yup
[03:34] <Jonty> soulrider: it's known by some as microsoft.com :P
[03:34] <soulrider> Skuller: yes, you need to kill it
[03:34] <soulrider> lol Jonty
[03:35] <soulrider> Skuller: i think you need to do "sudo kill -9 <pid of xorg>"
[03:35] <DaSkreech> Skuller: try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[03:35] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider: you don't know about the dark web? O.o
[03:35] <Jonty> The first rule of the dark web...
[03:35] <intelikey> Skuller when you need to close the X sever you can    sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop(or start) to restart it when ready.
[03:35] <Skuller> DaSkreech: soulrider: can i also log off and start a terminal session from there and do it?
[03:35] <eilker> intelikey>which browser do u use ? links2 ? and how do u listen to music ?
[03:35] <soulrider> Skuller: i was just thinking that, maybe if you use recovery mode....
[03:36] <pollyo> Anyone familiar with making backups of a dvd?
[03:36] <soulrider> pollyo: thats illegal :P
[03:36] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: like cracked software etc etc ?
[03:36] <pollyo> soulrider: Is it?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Skuller: sure
[03:36] <intelikey> eilker elinks a lot any more.   links2 is good and supports graphics  but had no ssl support built in.
[03:36] <soulrider> yes pollyo
[03:36] <Minataku> One backup is provided for personal use only under the provisions of fair use
[03:36] <soulrider> pollyo: but you might wanna try k9copy :P
[03:36] <Minataku> No matter what the MPAA tells you
[03:36] <specialbuddy> has anyone had issues with beryl where the top bar is missing?
[03:37] <ins-dragonclaw> soulrider: The dark web is basically every computer on the planet that goes online. You know Kazaa, right? P2P filesharing and personal webservers - that's what the dark web is
[03:37] <ins-dragonclaw> mostly*
[03:37] <Skuller> soulrider: DaSkreech: intelikey: i logged in from the terminal session and did the install script there of the nvidia drivers but it said that it could not find the precompiledkernel or something
[03:37] <skarface> but they're not even on the web
[03:37] <soulrider> ahh ins-dragonclaw i had some very dark past moderating some forsums then :P when iw as a windows user of course
[03:37] <ins-dragonclaw> Google's trying to built a bot that can index it
[03:37] <eilker> intelikey>will i able to listen music ?
[03:38] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:38] <intelikey> eilker vlc  music and vidio (frame buffer or svgalibs)
[03:38] <intelikey> eilker but i use  sox  a lot for just venella sound file.  .ogg
[03:39] <intelikey> eilker alsamixer is your volume control
[03:39] <ins-dragonclaw> speaking of which
[03:39] <intelikey> or aumix if you prefer
[03:39] <ins-dragonclaw> how do you get 5.1 surround sound to work in kubuntu?
[03:40] <eilker> intelikey> i am going to join to you , non-gui
[03:40] <soulrider> eilker: intelikey i would like to learn to use the console more too
[03:40] <soulrider> and not be so GUI dependant
[03:40] <ins-dragonclaw> keep | grep handy. lol
[03:40] <intelikey> eilker don't do it cause i "made it sound cool"  if you go commando do it cause you want to.
[03:41] <intelikey> and soulrider ^
[03:41] <soulrider> intelikey: has a a prehistoric PC he picked up froma  dumpster
[03:41] <eilker> intelikey> i will :)
[03:41] <intelikey> soulrider prehistoric :)
[03:41] <Tm_T> sebr: it should :)
[03:42] <intelikey> older than my p1 ?
[03:42] <eilker> i wanna be good on server management so that starting to it
[03:42] <Tm_T> intelikey: how that could be prehistoric?
[03:42] <eilker> !fb
[03:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <intelikey> 100mhz p1-mmx  with the huge 600m hd and 64m ram    hehhe  runs linux in the console just like the big dogs...
[03:43] <soulrider> intelikey: i wanna learn to use it ebcause i remember how you told me aobut all the things you could do, and i read an article about how this guy could do torrents mp3s and other stuff at the same time with a 75hz PC
[03:43] <Tm_T> intelikey: that's old but not even historic
[03:44] <Tm_T> intelikey: I have 80486 laptop in use
[03:44] <morvok> my old crap is clustered together :)
[03:45] <soulrider> i think intelikey gets the title of coolest guy in here
[03:45] <ins-dragonclaw> *Screams at his ISP*
[03:45] <soulrider> i sort of feel stupic with my P4 processor, he can do all i do with a PC he picked up from a dumpster
[03:45] <intelikey> Tm_T no i was just giving a referance point.   i have a 25mhz 486 lappy   nec versa that i installed linux on.     but i still have and use a tandy 1000 xt   80286  640k ram
[03:45] <Tm_T> intelikey: uuh :)
[03:45] <eilker> intelikey> ok i am on irssi beginnig window , would u like to tell me how to join kubuntu ? or u tell me read monuels :)
[03:45] <Tm_T> intelikey: why not said "like my pretty new p1?" ;)
[03:46] <eilker> intelikey> i am at "status" text
[03:46] <Tm_T> eilker: /connect freenode
[03:46] <soulrider> eilker: /connect irc.freenode.net
[03:46] <intelikey> and i hate to admit it.  but dos can do on the tandy what linux can not.... "boot"
[03:46] <soulrider> and then  /join #kubuntu
[03:46] <ins-dragonclaw> Oh. Konversation has a built in Konsole. This saves some trouble...
[03:46] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: try yakuake
[03:46] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: yup, I used to run irssi on it
[03:46] <intelikey> eilker /server irc.freenode.net
[03:47] <intelikey> eilker /join #kubuntu
[03:47] <Tm_T> oh, root
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> freaken everything has a konsole built into it. even KATE O.o
[03:47] <DaSkreech> ins-dragonclaw: It does? Wher?
[03:47] <Tm_T> ins-dragonclaw: Konqueror too
[03:47] <soulrider> KATE OWNS!
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> Amen.
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[03:47] <ins-dragonclaw> DaSkreech: Window > New Konsole
[03:47] <soulrider> kate is the master of the universe
[03:48] <ins-dragonclaw> kate is the master of my /home/ins-dragonclaw/stories/ folder ;)
[03:48] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Mistress maybe?
[03:48] <ins-dragonclaw> probably
[03:48] <soulrider> lol DaSkreech
[03:48] <intelikey> soulrider if you want to learn linux (cli) start by opening a konsole and trying to use it for what ever you do.
[03:48] <soulrider> kate really is a wonderful app
[03:48] <soulrider> intelikey: do you use screen ?
[03:49] <intelikey> it's like training wheels for the console
[03:49] <intelikey> soulrider no
[03:49] <DaSkreech> soulrider: too bad it's moving out of KDE :(
[03:49] <soulrider> intelikey: i do use the konsole quite a lot
[03:49] <eilker> intelikey> i am in, but i cant send msg ?
[03:49] <soulrider> DaSkreech: REALLY ?!
[03:49] <ins-dragonclaw> I keep a Konsole forever on Desktop 4 - fullscreen mode and with a pretty backdrop :)
[03:49] <eilker> intelikey> i am in, but i cant send msg ?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> soulrider: moving from main to kdedev
[03:49] <eilker> my nick is root :)
[03:49] <soulrider> intelikey: how do you have 'unlimited' consoles then ?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> ins-dragonclaw: learn yakuake :)
[03:49] <intelikey> eilker i saw that but needed an inturpretor.
[03:50] <soulrider> DaSkreech: so its not gonna come by default ?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> soulrider: bingo
[03:50] <eilker> intelikey> such as ?
[03:50] <soulrider> DaSkreech: what text editor ar we gonna have ?
[03:50] <ins-dragonclaw> KWrite
[03:50] <intelikey> soulrider there are never "unlimited"  but i have never used the standard 128 avalable to need to enable another 127 of them
[03:50] <DaSkreech> ins-dragonclaw: I see you keep up with the news :)
[03:50] <ins-dragonclaw> ooh: Vim
[03:50] <ins-dragonclaw> :)
[03:51] <intelikey> eilker what do you mean "i am in, but i cant send msg ?"
[03:51] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: har, I was terrified couple days ago when I noticed I don't have kate =)
[03:51] <Specialbuddy> has anyone here used feisty yet?
[03:51] <Tm_T> Specialbuddy: sure
[03:51] <eagles0513875> elkier ddid u login
[03:51] <Specialbuddy> how do you like it?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Well get used to installing it yourself :)
[03:51] <Tm_T> Specialbuddy: like much
[03:52] <eilker> intelikey> how to send message to the channel ?
[03:52] <Specialbuddy> is it worth getting now or waiting til the official release
[03:52] <eilker> intelikey> i write but i cant see here
[03:52] <Tm_T> eilker: write and press enter?
[03:52] <ins-dragonclaw> DaSkreech: "News" and "ins-dragonclaw" are like "Micro$oft" and "Playing Fair" - 101% incompatible
[03:52] <ins-dragonclaw> I just noticed that KDE uses KWrite for everything
[03:52] <intelikey> eilker did you /join #kubuntu ?
[03:52] <eilker> intelikey> yes
[03:52] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: well, I always install it myself ofcourse, but haven't looked where it is now in svn, since it's not in base
[03:53] <intelikey> oh and use the   [alt] +[1-9]   keys to switch windows in the irssi client
[03:53] <soulrider> i cannot live with kate
[03:53] <soulrider> its so fabulous!!
[03:53] <Tm_T> Specialbuddy: wait for release if you're not looking for testing and bughunting
[03:53] <intelikey> eilker_ now you are here
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> that made no sense, soulrider
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> O.o
[03:53] <soulrider> loll, i meant without
[03:53] <Specialbuddy> is it that bad?
[03:53] <intelikey> eilker_ you are here
[03:53] <Tm_T> soulrider: without? ;)
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> I only like kate because of that sidebar
[03:53] <marcelo> oi
[03:53] <ins-dragonclaw> keeps all my chapters in line... lol
[03:53] <marcelo> e a  galera
[03:53] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: its great how it marks code
[03:54] <soulrider> !pt
[03:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:54] <ins-dragonclaw> I noticed that. but I use it for creative -Writing- , not creative -Coding-
[03:54] <eilker_> test
[03:54] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: looks like I will start doing weekly builds, ~4 months between builds is too much ;)
[03:54] <ins-dragonclaw> eilker_: it worked
[03:54] <soulrider> i really dont see the point in replacing it for kwrite
[03:54] <Tm_T> eilker_: welcome :)
[03:54] <eilker_> yeah great :)
[03:54] <ins-dragonclaw> me neither
[03:54] <soulrider> :)
[03:55] <ins-dragonclaw> kwrite is like Notepad 2.0
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: KDe I assume?
[03:55] <eilker_> here is only blue and black :)
[03:55] <ins-dragonclaw> kate is beyond MS Word
[03:55] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: KDE4 yes
[03:55] <DaSkreech> and kate is like kwrite 6.0
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Shame
[03:55] <soulrider> indeed ins-dragonclaw
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Oh yeah please do and blog it :-)
[03:56] <intelikey> eilker_ see the status line at the bottom that shows the  "Act #" that tells you there are new test in that window.
[03:56] <soulrider> Tm_T: youre in charge of buiilding KDE ?
[03:56] <Specialbuddy> if I have beryl 0.2, how do I get 0.3?
[03:56] <ins-dragonclaw> ins-dragonclaw is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(Wogan May) <-- lol. my linux-counter ID shows up...
[03:56] <Tm_T> soulrider: well, for myself yes ;)
[03:56] <DaSkreech> soulrider: at 4 months :-) I sure hope not
[03:56] <Tm_T> eilker_: http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png <- blue and black is the word yes :)
[03:57] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: blog? oh my... should start coding instead ;)
[03:57] <eilker> intelikey> i can only see what i wrote in irssi, i cant see yours
[03:57] <soulrider> Tm_T: what konsole are you using ? =/ ots transparent
[03:57] <DaSkreech> http://nodalpoint.madfire.net/articles/2007/03/19/sounds-of-the-shuttle
[03:57] <DaSkreech> That's a pretty blog
[03:57] <intelikey> eliker you can't see this text in the irssi client ?
[03:57] <Tm_T> soulrider: there's Konsole and Eterm atleast
[03:57] <DaSkreech> eilker: Did you press Alt+2?
[03:57] <eilker> intelikey> no i cant
[03:58] <eilker> DaSkreech> yes i did
[03:58] <intelikey> eilker use the   alt+2  or  alt+3   to get to  "Act 2"  or 3 respectively.
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Alt+3? :-)
[03:58] <ins-dragonclaw> Does KDE have a Solitare clone? I'm getting bored...
[03:59] <eilker_> test
[03:59] <soulrider> ins-dragonclaw: im addiceted to ksirtet
[03:59] <Tm_T> eilker_: hi :)
 test
[03:59] <soulrider> addicted*
[03:59] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw a few
[03:59] <ins-dragonclaw> i can see oO
[03:59] <ins-dragonclaw> ok
[03:59] <ins-dragonclaw> what is the -best- clone?
[03:59] <intelikey> ins-dragonclaw may i sujest kolf
[04:00] <eilker> intelikey> still i cant, and it is on act1
[04:00] <ins-dragonclaw> you may
[04:00] <intelikey> eilker act 1  shoule be the server messages.
[04:00] <ins-dragonclaw> whether or not i install it is beyond you :)
[04:00] <intelikey> act 2    or 3    should be the channel
[04:01] <intelikey> eilker it's just a matter of taste but try installing bitchx and see if you like it.
[04:01] <eilker_> #/quit
[04:01] <ins-dragonclaw> i think i'm going to bed...
[04:01] <intelikey> i never really liked irssi either.
[04:02] <Tm_T> intelikey: I never liked any other client than irssi :)
[04:02] <Tm_T> only client I've really liked in all these 7 years of IRC
[04:02] <intelikey> like i said it's taste not client really   either can be made to look and act just like the other
[04:02] <Tm_T> intelikey: yup
[04:03] <eilker> intelikey> you told me for irssi :) now let me install bitchx
[04:03] <intelikey> eilker i told you the one that ubuntu installed by default.  not the one i liked.  i did mention others also.
[04:04] <intelikey> if you care to scroll up and review the matter...
[04:05] <subon1> is it possible to make two rows of taskbar panels?
[04:05] <DaSkreech> subon1: I don't see why not
[04:05] <eilker> intelikey> ok man, i have some screen problems
[04:05] <eilker> intelikey> let me reset X
[04:05] <subon1> DaSkreech: I'm not seeing how its possible... do you know how?
[04:06] <eilker> intelikey> since 1 hour my screen is so huge
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Nope
[04:06] <Tm_T> subon1: yes, configure kicker to be bigger
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Just seems likely that you can :)
[04:06] <subon1> kicker?
[04:06] <Tm_T> subon1: kicker is that panel app
[04:06] <intelikey> kicker kick kick kicker
[04:07] <subon1> i dont mean two rows of tasks i mean like my open windows on the bottom and other panels on top
[04:07] <intelikey> new panel
[04:07] <Tm_T> subon1: well, that then goes to same configuration
[04:07] <soulrider> im back, i hd my daily dose of ksirtet
[04:08] <Tm_T> subon1: rightclick empty space in panel -> Configure panel
[04:08] <subon1> I'm not seeing any way to configure it like that however
[04:08] <subon1> ok im there...
[04:08] <intelikey> err add new pannel first
[04:08] <subon1> i added one...
[04:08] <soulrider> yeah
[04:08] <soulrider> subon1: i think youre ognna have to restart x
[04:08] <soulrider> for some reason
[04:09] <soulrider> you cant edit a newly added panel if you dont restart KDE
[04:09] <subon1> soulrider: why's that
[04:09] <intelikey> yes it's called a "bug"
[04:09] <soulrider> at least thats what happens to me
[04:09] <subon1> i cant? i have been
[04:09] <soulrider> bug i guess
[04:09] <Tm_T> bah, I'm too tired to think (and it's morning here) so good night kids and remember to behave! ->
[04:09] <soulrider> see ya Tm_T
[04:09] <intelikey> Tm_T snore loud and you wont know what we do
[04:10] <soulrider> i wonder how many keys are prssed on an average day
[04:10] <subon1> what do i do after adding the panel?
[04:10] <soulrider> subon1: log out and then back in and youll be able to edit it
[04:10] <intelikey> soulrider not more than 105 here...
[04:11] <subon1> ok... brb
[04:11] <intelikey> that's all the kb has...
[04:11] <soulrider> bad jokle intelikey..... :P
[04:11] <intelikey> oh you mean repetes    sorry
[04:11] <soulrider> intelikey: you thought i meant different keys ?
[04:12] <intelikey> as you said.  bad jokle
[04:12] <soulrider> i used to have a program on windows that counted all of my keystrokes
[04:12] <soulrider> its 11pm and im so sleepy.....
[04:12] <intelikey> so lay down
[04:12] <soulrider> and i just had a big cup of cofee
[04:12] <soulrider> intelikey: if i lay down its to sleep, i have a www.hiddenbed.com
[04:13] <soulrider> and im too lazy to mka emy bed just to lay for a while
[04:13] <SubOn1> ok back now what
[04:13] <soulrider> SubOn1: now just right click it and configure
[04:13] <intelikey> now you should be able to configure the panels seperately
[04:14] <ben__> anyone can help me change the login screen
[04:14] <SubOn1> its still on the main toolbar though
[04:14] <soulrider> ben__: the splash or the KDM theme ?
[04:14] <intelikey> from <> to   ben ?
[04:15] <SubOn1> i need a dock application bar or what
[04:15] <SubOn1> ah nvm got it
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Woah
[04:15] <eilker> intelikey> sorry for asking again what you suggested to me instead of links2 cause of ssl ?
[04:15] <DaSkreech>  Why am I getting an update for natilus?
[04:15] <intelikey> elinks
[04:16] <nomad111> hey all my kubuntu wasnt starting up at all
[04:16] <DaSkreech> soulrider: ha ha I thought you meant keys for a door :)
[04:16] <nomad111> it would just stop at the first loading screen
[04:16] <nomad111> a quarter way into it
[04:16] <DaSkreech> intelikey: elinks uses natilus?
[04:16] <nomad111> so i went to recovery mode and rebooted for it to work
[04:16] <soulrider> DaSkreech: your lock must be weird, i turn my keys when i wanna open the door, not press them!
[04:16] <nomad111> is there anyway to pinpoint the problem
[04:17] <intelikey> eilker elinks defaults to a white bg though.  and i hate white bg's.    the menu will let you configure it.      oh and did i mention installing and using gpm = general purpose mouse support for the console ?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> soulrider: yeah but when you lose one key you press a new one
[04:17] <intelikey> DaSkreech natilus?
[04:17] <soulrider> ahh, i didnt know that was called that
[04:17] <DaSkreech> intelikey: yes
[04:17] <pollyo> Anyone know of a site that discusses how to make a backup of a dvd?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> I have a lib natilus update
[04:17] <intelikey> DaSkreech what you on ?
[04:17] <SubOne> why wont it let me change the size of the new panel?
[04:17] <SubOne> i want it tiny
[04:17] <DaSkreech> A chair
[04:17] <soulrider> pollyo: you can probably find somethign ont he forums, but you can try using k9copy
[04:18] <soulrider> SubOne: weird, i can change it no problem =/
[04:18] <eilker> intelikey> yeah i got it, btw how to connect to freenode via bitchx ? it says me u r not an irc operator
[04:18] <SubOne> it wont let me change to anything but normal
[04:18] <Minataku> Almost everything uses shared libraries
[04:18] <DaSkreech> intelikey: my updates just popped up with a update for lib-natilus
[04:18] <SubOne> oh it was locked
[04:19] <DaSkreech> I'm mightly confused
[04:19] <SubOne> no that didnt help
[04:19] <Minataku> Very few things are compiled statically
[04:19] <intelikey> eilker i use the command line.   bitchx -n"nickname" -c"kubuntu" irc.freenode.net
[04:20] <soulrider> intelikey: bitchx? o.O
[04:20] <intelikey> eilker if you just start it it will default to irc.freenode.net   and the /join #command  is the same
[04:20] <intelikey> soulrider yeah
[04:20] <soulrider> is that an irc client
[04:20] <SubOne> actually it wont let me change the main panel nor the new panels size now....
[04:20] <intelikey> soulrider yes
[04:20] <soulrider> i see intelikey, better than irssi ?
[04:20] <sonoftheclayr> SubOne: at the top of the configure panel window change the combo box from Main Panel to Panel or something
[04:20] <DaSkreech> How do I see what packages rely on a installed package?
[04:21] <SubOne> sonoftheclayr: yes i did but it wont let me change the size of either lemme try another logout
[04:21] <intelikey> DaSkreech so you have something installed that requirse lib-natilus i guess and the update is available
[04:21] <soulrider> DaSkreech: you can see in packages.ubuntu.com
[04:21] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Hmm?
[04:21] <DaSkreech> How?
[04:21] <sonoftheclayr> SubOne: change the "Normal" down the bottom to custom and you should be able to adjust the slider
[04:21] <intelikey> apt-cache --rdepends package    or is id dpkg ???
[04:22] <SubOne> thats what im saying it wont let me change that combo box
[04:22] <SubOne> sec
[04:22] <DaSkreech> -rdepends?
[04:22] <intelikey> one or the other has that function DaSkreech
[04:23] <DaSkreech> suppose neither does :)
[04:23] <ben__> anyone know how to change the logon screen
[04:23] <SubOne> yeah must be a bug worked fine after another logout
[04:23] <soulrider> yeah, i just tried and none of them do
[04:23] <SubOne> ben__: yes
[04:23] <intelikey> depends tells what that package needs and rdepends (reverse dependancy checking) tells you what needs that package   i think...   i don't play there much.
[04:23] <soulrider> ben__: the one that shows you when its loading or the one where u put your password ?
[04:24] <ben__> the one that shows where to put ur pass
[04:24] <soulrider> ben__: youre looking for a KDM theme
[04:24] <soulrider> try http://kde-look.org
[04:24] <nomad111> wat is a good download manager i can get
[04:24] <nomad111> so many choices
[04:25] <intelikey> it's apt-cache    but no dashes.
[04:25] <intelikey> DaSkreech ^
[04:25] <ben__> i downloade the theme but where do i put it
[04:25] <soulrider> ben__: dunno
[04:25] <eilker2> test
[04:25] <soulrider> nomad111: kwget ?
[04:25] <eilker2> intellikey: now it is ok
[04:26] <soulrider> !info kwget
[04:26] <ben__> is there anyone who know how to change the password login screen
[04:26] <ben__> ????
[04:26] <ubotu> Package kwget does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[04:26] <soulrider> !info kget
[04:26] <eilker2> !kget
[04:26] <ben__> i am using kubuntu dapper
[04:26] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1.1 (edgy), package size 432 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[04:26] <nomad111> soulrider: i see wat do u think of d4x?
[04:26] <posingaspopular> ben__, yea what's the issue specifically
[04:26] <soulrider> ben__: look for instructions in the site
[04:26] <nomad111> better or worse
[04:26] <soulrider> nomad111: never tried it
[04:26] <eilker2>  kget can be used on dapper too
[04:26] <soulrider> !info d4x
[04:26] <ubotu> d4x: graphical download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>-2 (edgy), package size 706 kB, installed size 2016 kB
[04:26] <sonoftheclayr> ben__: you need kdmtheme (sudo apt-get install kdmtheme)
[04:27] <ben__> no not the theme
[04:27] <ben__> the login screen
[04:27] <sonoftheclayr> ben__:thats the theme manager for the login screen
[04:27] <eilker2> ben__: try gdm
[04:27] <ben__> i hate the original password login screen
[04:27] <eilker2> ben__: so change it, kde-look.org
[04:27] <intelikey> ben__ that is a theem.
[04:28] <posingaspopular> ben__, you mean the splash screen?
[04:28] <eilker2> www.kde-look.org
[04:28] <ben__> gdm???
[04:28] <soulrider> he means the kdm theme
[04:28] <soulrider> ben__: install kdmtheme
[04:28] <intelikey> ben__ if you mean the window manager.  install xdm or gdm  and use it
[04:28] <soulrider> and dont look at that gdm comment :P
[04:28] <soulrider> intelikey: he means the KDM theme
[04:28] <eilker2> i hate kdm , because it doesnt work on my box after edgy upgrade :D
[04:28] <eilker2> yeah gdm is ok :)
[04:29] <eagles0513875> will any windows game work with wine
[04:29] <intelikey> yes we all addressed that.  but not to the satisfying of ben__ so i mentioned the next logical step.  change the whole display manager
[04:29] <soulrider> eagles0513875: not any
[04:29] <eilker2> intellikey: is it enought only 7 terminals in console ?
[04:29] <eagles0513875> would civilization 4 or counterstrike
[04:29] <ben__> do you know where the themes are kept
[04:29] <sonoftheclayr> eagles0513875: http://appdb.winehq.org
[04:30] <SubOne> is there anyway to move K Menu to a different panel?
[04:30] <intelikey> eilker2 what do you mean only 7 ?   you have 128 avalable.
[04:30] <soulrider> ben__: to change the themes install a program called kdmtheme
[04:30] <sonoftheclayr> eagles0513875: civ 4 no cs not to sure
[04:30] <SubOne> nvm
[04:30] <soulrider> SubOne: yeah
[04:30] <soulrider> right click, add applet, and then k menu
[04:30] <SubOne> answered my own dumb question
[04:30] <eilker2> intellikey: 128 ? ctrl + alt f1 to f7
[04:31] <ben__> what is the restore command
[04:31] <ben__> ???
[04:31] <soulrider> eilker2: his keyboard has 128 f keys :P
[04:31] <intelikey> eilker2 i only have one console that runs getty (login prompt)     use  openvt -fsc 24
[04:31] <SubOne> i dont supose i can make the systray icons a bit smaller?
[04:31] <soulrider> ben__: restore command ?
[04:31] <ben__> yeah!!!
[04:32] <sonoftheclayr> !info kdmtheme
[04:32] <eilker2> SubOne: u can hide as u like
[04:32] <ubotu> kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.2-1 (edgy), package size 100 kB, installed size 264 kB
[04:32] <ben__> if my xorg.conf file is corrupted how do i restore the backup
[04:32] <soulrider> ben__: i dont know what you mean ?
[04:32] <intelikey> eilker2 now you can use the right-alt+f12 to reach tty24 and left-alt+f1 to reach tty1
[04:32] <SubOne> i know i can hide, but the icons themselves are a bit tall for the panel
[04:32] <posingaspopular> !xorg
[04:32] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:32] <soulrider> ben__: you will have to do it manually or reconfigure it
[04:33] <DaSkreech> leileilol: eeek
[04:33] <leileilol> nihao
[04:33] <ben__> ok
[04:33] <soulrider> DaSkreech: ?
[04:33] <intelikey> eilker2 also of note   left-alt+<-   or  ->  the dirrectional keys  moves one (open) tty up or down...
[04:34] <Arbosis> hey
[04:34] <DaSkreech> soulrider: Hmm?
[04:34] <intelikey> you can cycle through them that way.
[04:34] <soulrider> intelikey: what did you say you were using to do that
[04:34] <eilker2> i did the second one that u said, but i couldnt do the first one
[04:35] <intelikey> soulrider alt+  dirrectional keys  < or >
[04:35] <xena_> linux india
[04:35] <soulrider> DaSkreech: i didnt get your 'eeekk' comment
[04:35] <soulrider> intelikey: i meant more than 7 terminals
[04:35] <intelikey> soulrider openvt
[04:35] <DaSkreech> soulrider: That wasn't at you
[04:35] <jhutchins> soulrider: Eh?  You can have as many as you want, but the keyswitching gets interesting.
[04:35] <eilker> intelikey> right-alt+f12 ?
[04:36] <soulrider> intelikey: its a program ?
[04:36] <xena_> linux
[04:37] <intelikey> eilker2 yes left-alt+f#  is tty1-12  right-alt+f# is tty13-24    i think there is a key combo for 26-36 & 37-48  but i never use that many.
[04:37] <DaSkreech> That was for leileilol
[04:37] <intelikey> ooops 25-*
[04:38] <jhutchins> I often pipe logs to 10-12, makes it easy to monitor stuff.
[04:38] <intelikey> soulrider yes it's a default tool
[04:38] <eilker> what is left-alt ? left arrow + alt //
[04:38] <jhutchins> By convention there are six consoles though.
[04:38] <intelikey> eilker2 no does your key board only have one [alt]  key ?
[04:39] <intelikey> or one on both ends of the space bar ?
[04:39] <jhutchins> eilker: Linux can distinguish between the left-hand and right-hand shift, ctrl, alt, and win keys.
[04:39] <eilker> intelikey> i have "alt " and "altgr"
[04:39] <Arbosis> can anybody help me? my live cd for amd 64 doesn't load the desktop
[04:39] <intelikey> well altgr then would be right-alt  i assume
[04:40] <jhutchins> eilker: Right, but you have the same hardware that I do, just painted differently.
[04:40] <soulrider> eilker: keyboard in sanish ?
[04:40] <soulrider> spanish**
[04:40] <Arbosis> can anybody help me? my live cd for amd 64 doesn't load the desktop
[04:40] <eilker> soulrider: nope
[04:40] <soulrider> Arbosis: do you get any errors ?
[04:40] <Arbosis> yes
[04:40] <intelikey> Arbosis you do have 64 bit processor ?
[04:40] <Arbosis> something about some device
[04:40] <jhutchins> To the left of my space bar, I have from left to right Ctrl, Windows, Alt, to the right it's Alt, Windows, ContextMenu, Ctrl.
[04:40] <soulrider> what errors ?
[04:40] <Arbosis> yes
[04:41] <soulrider> youll have to give us the rrors youre getting
[04:41] <soulrider> you ccan however try the alternate CD
[04:41] <Arbosis> i just remember that shows error loading some devices and some numbers of those devices
[04:41] <eilker> funny thing right-alt +ctrl +f# only changes the desktops
[04:41] <intelikey> eilker  not ctrl
[04:41] <soulrider> does anyone know if my processor needs somethign fancy to use kvm ?
[04:41] <jhutchins> Arbosis: Try a 32b CD, it's easier to get started with.
[04:42] <intelikey> do not use ctrl with the alt keys in the console
[04:42] <jhutchins> When you're in X, you need Ctrl-Alt-Fx.
[04:42] <Arbosis> but it will go slower than 64b ?
[04:42] <eilker> if i dont use ctrl , no sense
[04:42] <Assimilator> why does adept keep crashing in the beta all I was trying to do was install the java pluging for firefox and i keep getting a comit error
[04:42] <jhutchins> When you're in console, it's just Ctrl-Fx, like switching desktops in KDE.
[04:43] <SubOne> What is a "Dock Application Bar"?
[04:43] <jhutchins> Er, alt, my bad.
[04:43] <intelikey> eilker then your hardware or os is totally different to mine.
[04:43] <jhutchins> SubOne: Something like a taskbar or a system tray.
[04:43] <SubOne> but nothing is in it
[04:43] <SubOne> and i cant right click it
[04:44] <jhutchins> eilker, intelikey: You can switch consoles with Alt-F# if you're not running X.
[04:44] <eilker2> yeah it may, in console , left alt + f#  works until seven
[04:44] <intelikey> jhutchins if you are not in X
[04:44] <eilker2> but right-alt +f no sense
[04:44] <rustin> hey, someone knows re-enable the kde's taskbar?
[04:45] <jhutchins> eilker2: Yeah, kubuntu distinguishes between left and right and doesn't default map them the same.
[04:45] <jhutchins> rustin: Restart KDE?
[04:45] <zerothis> oh, shell scripts don't look like .bat files.  I found one of those oh-so-help a tutorials "step 1: write your shell script with vi. step 2: use chmod to make it +x and 755." lucky me i know how to do step 2, and i even know what vi is. but how write a script?  to M$ would do good promoting windows as better than linux by posting links to linux tutorials on their site. can anyone recomend a good place to learn shell script writing?
[04:45] <eilker2> what about left-alt + f10 ?
[04:45] <jhutchins> rustin: Try the command kbuildsycoca
[04:45] <eilker2> no sense here, i mean in console
[04:45] <jhutchins> rustin: If that fails, try the command kicker
[04:46] <intelikey> eilker2 yes left-alt+f#  is tty1-12  right-alt+f# is tty13-24      and you wont notice right-alt+f# doing anything unless you have a console active in the 13-24 range and use the coresponding f#
[04:46] <rustin> jhutchins: i disabled the taskbar
[04:46] <jhutchins> rustin: If THAT fails, and nobody comes up with something better, ask in #kde or log out and back in.
[04:46] <rustin> trying kbuild...
[04:46] <eilker2> intellikey: it works till f7 here
[04:46] <jhutchins> rustin: Oh.  Try right click, desktop configuration, see if you find it there (again, #kde might know better).
[04:47] <zerothis> mine stops at F& too
[04:47] <jhutchins> rustin: I'm just chukin' rocks at it, sorry.
[04:47] <rustin> jhutchins: no problem ;) thanks for your help
[04:48] <jhutchins> zerothis: Look for documentation on bash - that's the default "shell" or scripting language for Linux.  I think Ubuntu uses something odd, but bash is available and bash scripts will work.
[04:48] <intelikey> that's why i said  openvt -fsc 24    so tty24 would be active.   but as i also said  you can use the dirrectional keys "the arrow keys"   left-alt+<-   left-alt+->   to step up and down ttys
[04:48] <soulrider> i think ubuntu uses dash
[04:48] <jhutchins> zerothis:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html may be helpful
[04:49] <intelikey> soulrider edgy defaulted to dash as it's /bin/sh  yes.  dapper defaulted to bash
[04:49] <jhutchins> intelikey: In standard Linux you can configure the number of TTY's to respawn in /etc/inittab, is that not true in kubuntu?
[04:50] <intelikey> jhutchins yes
[04:50] <zerothis> i have edgy
[04:50] <jhutchins> zerothis: dash is MOSTLY like bash.
[04:50] <intelikey> jhutchins well up to the use of "upstart"   i'm not fameliar with it.
[04:50] <eilker2> intellikey: thanx
[04:50] <jhutchins> zerothis: bash IS the industry standard, ubuntu just likes to be different.
[04:51] <jhutchins> zerothis: You will find that bash scripting makes a lot of sense if you know DOS Batch scripting.
[04:51] <jhutchins> eilker2: Which forset?
[04:51] <jhutchins> forest?
[04:52] <eilker2> a forest in my city :)
[04:52] <zerothis> ya ubuntu is different, i already fix the DVD, WMV, wine related differences. although mp3 only play as static
[04:52] <intelikey> eilker2 drop this in a console.#   Q=8 ;until [ $Q = 63 ]  ;do openvt ;Q=$(($Q+1)) ;done
[04:52] <jhutchins> eilker2: Which obviously leads to "Which city is that", but is less efficient.
[04:52] <intelikey> then play with your right/left-alt+  keys
[04:52] <eilker2>  :))) antioch here
[04:52] <milardovich> scuse me, i need to all of you go to www.milardovich.com.ar for some test with my cherokee server, thanks
[04:53] <jhutchins> eilker2: Cool. I shall make a list of antiochs and search googleearth for woods that might be considered forests.
[04:53] <darx> greetings
[04:53] <intelikey> cherokee server ?
[04:53] <zerothis> i saw the first line of a shell script "#! /bin/sh -e" , didn't look look like dos
[04:53] <intelikey> not an apache server ?
[04:54] <darx> what is the best option to play all multimedia content?
[04:54] <intelikey> zerothis no but in essence they work the same way.    oh and there is no "goto" in bash
[04:54] <milardovich> intelikey yep
[04:54] <jhutchins> milardovich: Automatic language selection isn't working, otherwise...
[04:55] <zerothis> that's fine, i always pretended the was no goto in dos anyway
[04:55] <SubOne> I can't use the hostname of my other computer to connect to it from this computer, only it's internal IP. any idea what could cause this problem?
[04:55] <jhutchins> zerothis: That is called a "magic number", and what it does is tell the system to use /bin/sh -e to run the rest of the script.  Aka "hashbang", says what the language is.
[04:55] <intelikey> well in that case i'll just drop in on the fellow tribsman
[04:56] <jhutchins> zerothis: Could also be #! /bin/bash.
[04:56] <sonoftheclayr> darx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:56] <jhutchins> zerothis: sh is more universal than bash.  Bash performs as sh when called as sh.
[04:56] <intelikey> milardovich it dont do my lango.
[04:57] <jhutchins> SubOne: You have not correctly configured either your DNS server or your hosts file.
[04:57] <milardovich> intelikey im argentine :P
[04:57] <SubOne> well the IPs are DHCP acquired so would the host file matter?
[04:57] <jhutchins> SubOne: Yes.
[04:57] <SubOne> so how do i setup the hosts file with DHCP then?
[04:58] <jhutchins> If the DHCP server doesn't know a DNS server that knows the IP's, you would need /etc/hosts.
[04:58] <intelikey> milardovich yes, just that websites normally do multi-lang
[04:58] <SubOne> i have to add a host to every computer each time i add a new computer?
[04:58] <RoyB72> anyone knows why I get "Error opening/initializing the selected video-out(vo) device" error, and what I can do about it?
[04:58] <intelikey> milardovich so what did you need just  a load test ?
[04:59] <SubOne> jhutchins: I use comcast internet, how do i setup the DNS, using their DNS servers or my router somehow?
[04:59] <jhutchins> SubOne: That or set up a DNS server that the DHCP server will talk to.  Or possibly a DHCP server that will work in conjunction with your DHCP server.
[04:59] <jhutchins> Er. DNS server.
[04:59] <milardovich> intelikey yeah
[04:59] <milardovich> intelikey, in the "fotolog" block, please click on "slideshow", and tell me if it works ;)
[05:00] <eilker2> i tried for it intellikey
[05:00] <intelikey> can't do that atm.
[05:00] <jhutchins> SubOne: They won't tell you the hostnames for your internal computers.  You can assume that the IP's won't change and add them to a hosts file on each PC, or set up a DNS server on one of the linux boxes and tell it the hostnames.
[05:00] <eilker2> i did sth, but i dont know
[05:00] <jhutchins> SubOne: If you have a lot of IP's and need this to work you may need to talk to comcast.
[05:00] <eilker2> no w need to go, take care people
[05:00] <eilker2> see you
[05:00] <SubOne> well the linksys router doesnt even get the hostnames for some reason
[05:01] <jhutchins> milardovich: There is a mechanism to select the correct language for each user, but of course you must first have each page in each language.
[05:01] <Skuller> i could not get my nvidia drivers that i downloaded form the nvidia site to install
[05:01] <Skuller> any tips
[05:01] <Skuller> ?
[05:01] <raw-knee> I have just reinstalled kubuntu feisty beta. how do I retrieve my gpg keys from a keyserver and use it to sign my messages?
[05:01] <jhutchins> SubOne: Right. Nobody gets hostnames unless you tell them.
[05:01] <SubOne> so if i setup a DNS server on one of the computers then i set the "Static DNS" on the router to point to that computer and set it to static ip?
[05:02] <jhutchins> SubOne: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html
[05:02] <intelikey> jhutchins isn't there also a generic "translator" of some kind ?
[05:02] <SubOne> jhutchins: because i know at least two of the computers on the network are wireless and i dont want them to be static ips yet i want them to be able to be accessed by hostname
[05:02] <jhutchins> SubOne: Is comcast assigning the IP's, or is the router assigning them?
[05:02] <SubOne> the router
[05:02] <raw-knee> I want to avoid creating another set of keys as much as possible
[05:02] <intelikey> so you don't have to have 82 copies of each page jhutchins
[05:03] <jhutchins> intelikey: There's babelfish, but if you're running a website you either link to babelfish or provide the translations as seperate pages.
[05:03] <SubOne> technically comcast doesnt allow multiple pcs connecting to the internet through a router through their home service
[05:03] <jhutchins> SubOne: Then you must learn to do Dynamic DNS.
[05:03] <intelikey> k babelfish is what i was thinking of
[05:03] <jhutchins> SubOne: THen the router should offer a DNS.
[05:03] <SubOne> why dynamic DNS? i only need them accessible from inside the network
[05:04] <jhutchins> SubOne: Right, 90% of us run a home network with something like this.
[05:04] <jhutchins> SubOne: Here's how you would do it if you had a linux box being the router:  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[05:04] <intelikey> i'm 10%   :)
[05:04] <jhutchins> SubOne: MOST appliance routers will do most of that now.
[05:04] <SubOne> and if not? isnt there a way i can just give the ok for linux to give the router the hostname?
[05:05] <jhutchins> intelikey: Ok, I probably exagerate for the percentage that are single-computer, but you will eventually catch the bug.
[05:05] <intelikey> jhutchins you mean get the hardware...
[05:05] <jhutchins> SubOne: If the router assigns the IP, it must connect the IP with the hostname, or you must do that for it.
[05:06] <jhutchins> intelikey: You will acquire a spare computer.  A girlfriend/boyfriend/talking dog will move in, and want their own computer.  It will happen.
[05:06] <Skuller> can any one please help me instal the nvidia drivers that i downloaded from nvidia site?
[05:06] <SubOne> right i would think. however the dhcp client table doesnt show any hostnames just ips
[05:06] <jamescfr> subone: www.smoothwall.org if you have an old machine lying around
[05:06] <SubOne> only hostname being shown is a windows box
[05:06] <jhutchins> SubOne: Right.
[05:06] <xena_> #kubuntu
[05:06] <SubOne> why is that
[05:06] <jhutchins> SubOne: This is where it starts getting interesting.
[05:06] <SubOne> ok
[05:07] <xena_> how to update packages in kubuntu
[05:07] <intelikey> jhutchins ummmm i have 9 working boxes atm.   just nothing to do with networking...
[05:07] <SubOne> id rather my router do the work but it doesnt seem to be getting the liux hostnames
[05:07] <Kevlar> Wit
[05:07] <Kevlar> Wit Wit
[05:07] <jhutchins> SubOne: the DHCP server _can_ supply hostnames.  It _can_ associate a certain MAC with a certain hostname, and allways give it the same IP.
[05:07] <jhutchins> It can inform a DNS server "I've just given this IP to that hostname".
[05:07] <xena_> #kubuntu
[05:08] <xena_> # kubuntu
[05:08] <Skuller> xena_: ?
[05:08] <raw-knee> Skuller: you using Edgy?
[05:08] <jhutchins> SubOne: What I do is run a Linux box that does DHCP for the net.  It locks the IP to a certain MAC.  I then run a DNS server on the same box, which has those locked IP's assigned to hostnames.
[05:08] <Skuller> raw-knee: yes
[05:08] <eagles0513875> what mp3 encoders do i need to download as well as m4a and wma decoders
[05:08] <mervteck> hey everyone
[05:09] <intelikey> mp3 encoder ?   why ?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> xena_: What are you trying to do?
[05:09] <SubOne> So then is my LinkSys router only able to do this for windows boxes?
[05:09] <jhutchins> SubOne: The DNS server knows to ask outside servers for outside DNS lookups.
[05:09] <DaSkreech> !lame
[05:09] <ubotu> lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[05:09] <raw-knee> Skuller: use apt-get
[05:09] <intelikey> !freeformats
[05:09] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:09] <eagles0513875> using sound konverter to convert all my audio into high quality mp3
[05:09] <jhutchins> the DHCP server tells all the workstations, "Hey, I'm the DNS server too".
[05:09] <eagles0513875> 32bitrate
[05:09] <eagles0513875> 320bitrate
[05:09] <SubOne> jhutchins: So then is my LinkSys router only able to do this for windows boxes?
[05:10] <raw-knee> Skuller: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:10] <Skuller> raw-knee: the repos dont have the latest version, i downloaded those from the site and i need help in installing then
[05:10] <ben__> is there a shoutcast server for ubuntu
[05:10] <jhutchins> SubOne: Windows boxes do this by scatering an incredible ammount of traffic on the local net arguing about which box is boss and knows everything.
[05:10] <eagles0513875> what bout m4a and wma decoders
[05:10] <SubOne> jhutchins: ic
[05:10] <jhutchins> SubOne: samba will let your linux boxes play the same game.
[05:10] <raw-knee> Skuller i see
[05:10] <Skuller> raw-knee: ok never mind, i am sick of trying to install them. i will just go for the repo ones
[05:10] <SubOne> jhutchins: so then there is no way to do this with my linksys router unless i flash it with linux?
[05:10] <Skuller> thanks
[05:11] <jhutchins> SubOne: I think it's more fun to play home sysadmin and build your own DHCP and DNS servers, and then turn off the DHCP on the Linksys, but see if the Linksys will do local DNS.
[05:11] <jhutchins> afk, sorry.
[05:11] <xena_1> #kubuntu
[05:11] <DaSkreech> !info apt-rdepends | intelikey Is this it?
[05:11] <ubotu> intelikey is this it?: apt-rdepends: Recursively lists package dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-1 (edgy), package size 13 kB, installed size 92 kB
[05:11] <xena_1> how to update packages in kubuntu
[05:12] <intelikey> no
[05:12] <intelikey> DaSkreech apt-cache rdepends <packagename>
[05:12] <jhutchins> SubOne: Have a look at  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ - you can pick and choose from it, run the servers on one of your workstations.
[05:12] <DaSkreech> ???
[05:12] <intelikey> told you that an hour ago
[05:12] <pollyo> How do I kill a program that I ran as root?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> pollyo: Sudo kill
[05:12] <SubOne> jhutchins: again thanks for the info but i'd rather not use another pc for the task
[05:12] <jhutchins> pollyo: As root.
[05:13] <intelikey> sudo killall appname
[05:13] <DaSkreech> xena_1: press alt+space
[05:13] <jhutchins> SubOne: You can run the servers in the background, it's not much load for a small net.
[05:13] <DaSkreech> xena_1: type adept
[05:13] <SubOne> Only issue is the only computer I have that's always here/on is on wireless as well
[05:13] <DaSkreech> xena_1: press enter
[05:13] <SubOne> and sometimes it can be sketchy
[05:13] <jhutchins> SubOne: Well now, that would be interesting...
[05:14] <SubOne> I'm thinking I'm best off just attempting to install OpenWRT
[05:14] <jhutchins> SubOne: Again, if the Linksys does DHCP, it might also do DNS, dig around a bit, make sure it's the latest firmware.
[05:14] <SubOne> k
[05:14] <jhutchins> Otherwise, I'm pretty sure it can lock the IP's to MAC's, then you can just set up hosts files on each PC.
[05:15] <SubOne> thanks for your help ima dig around
[05:18] <intelikey> urpme "^gtk*" "^qt*"
[05:19] <intelikey> oh left over mandrake command...   apt-get remove "^gtk*" "^qt*"    would be the *buntu way
[05:27] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Songbird
[05:30] <intelikey> Songbird ?
[05:30] <intelikey> that whats depending on it ?
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Yup
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Dood!
[05:33] <Skuller> DaSkreech: dood!sup?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> How goes?
[05:33] <Skuller> crap as usual :)
[05:33] <Skuller> yours?
[05:33] <intelikey> sos
[05:36] <intelikey> hmmm i have a cherokee server now...
[05:37] <intelikey> had an apache one...
[05:38] <intelikey> does anyone know why cli apps with not x interface show up in the menu ?
[05:39] <intelikey> bc dc nano bash  ...   ?
[05:41] <NightBird> hm... there's an update that's relevant..
[05:42] <intelikey> NightBird you might ask in the +1 channel
[05:42] <intelikey> !feisty | NightBird
[05:42] <ubotu> NightBird: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn") should be released in April 2007. Beta is out! http://www.ubuntu.com/news/Ubuntu704Beta Schedule: !schedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[05:43] <djkings> Hey, I have a question that troubles me for a long time. When I copy some text from within emacs, and paste it immediately to other applications, the result is wrong, since the text I copied from emacs isn't located at the first place in clipboard. Why?
[05:43] <Skuller> hey guys, my nvidia driver n the kernel mismatch...the kernel version is a newer version than the nvidia driver, i got it from another repo...how do i revert to the official one?
[05:44] <Skuller> !away | f0ntsix^afk
[05:44] <ubotu> f0ntsix^afk: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[05:46] <jhutchins> There's a !guidelines?
[05:46] <jhutchins> Skuller: All I know is in !nvidia
[05:47] <Skuller> jhutchins: ok..thanks
[05:48] <jhutchins> NightBird: Yeah, everybody is having problems with the propietary vs. native drivers for ATI and Nvidia, especially if they run beryl/compiz/xgl.
[05:51] <firecrotch> Anyone with any knowledge about mailservers?
[05:52] <tmbg_> there are like 800 people here. just ask the question
[05:52] <tmbg_> if someone knows and is around they'll pipe up
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Skuller: Where did you get the driver from?
[05:53] <Skuller> DaSkreech: http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit/
[05:53] <jeanmass> hello
[05:53] <Skuller> DaSkreech: deb http://www.albertomilone.com/drivers/edgy/latest/32bit/binary
[05:53] <jeanmass> what is the command to find the path for a program?
[05:53] <firecrotch> I'm running a Ubuntu server, and I can't receive email, even though I have MX records in my DNS pointing to my server's IP address.  I can send mail just fine.
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Skuller: what's the apt-cache policy on it?
[05:54] <tmbg_> jeanmass,  whereis
[05:54] <Skuller> DaSkreech: umm?
[05:54] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: which program
[05:54] <firecrotch> and yes, I know there is #ubuntu-server but they are slow as hell
[05:54] <jeanmass> whereis that is what iwas looking for
[05:54] <jeanmass> thanx
[05:54] <Skuller> Ubugtu: lart firecrotch
[05:54] <jeanmass> i just wanted to set kaffeine as my player for amule
[05:55] <Skuller> firecrotch: hey man..too bad lart doesnt work here :P
[05:55] <jeanmass> tmbg_: where is gives me several paths
[05:55] <jeanmass> which one is correct for kaffeine?
[05:56] <firecrotch> @lart Skuller
[05:56] <jeanmass>  /usr/bin.kaffeine?
[05:56] <jeanmass> sorry /usr/bin/kaffeine?
[05:56] <Skuller> firecrotch: :D
[05:57] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: sure
[05:57] <jeanmass> thanx DaSkreech
[05:57] <jeanmass> it works
[06:00] <jeanmass> i have a question about kopete
[06:01] <jeanmass> are conversations logged?
[06:01] <soulrider> jeanmass: i think so, not too sure
[06:01] <soulrider> !logs
[06:01] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[06:01] <soulrider> yes :P
[06:02] <jeanmass> where are they logged?
[06:02] <soulrider> read up ^^
[06:02] <jeanmass> i am speakint about Kopete not Konversation
[06:02] <tmbg_> ruh roh. I should stop talking about where I store my pr0nz then if it's all logged
[06:03] <soulrider> jeanmass: i think lagging is managed through a plugin, you might wanna check those
[06:03] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: turn on the history plugin
[06:04] <Assimilator> i've got about 3 years worth of irc logs in my client enough to put me away for years
[06:05] <jeanmass> is it installed by default?
[06:05] <darx> wireless works via command line but knetworkmanager doesn't work
[06:06] <darx> why may that be ?:-(
[06:07] <soulrider> jeanmass: yes
[06:07] <Assimilator> knetworkmanager is buggy and has congigs thats seperate from the normal network manager found in system settings
[06:07] <DaSkreech> jeanmass: yes
[06:09] <darx> Assimilator: now that is a reassuring thought :)
[06:09] <jeanmass> thank you guys
[06:09] <jeanmass> bye
[06:09] <Assimilator> heheh
[06:09] <Assimilator> configs that is
[06:10] <DaSkreech> bye
[06:10] <Assimilator> i've got my wireless going but this is my second install of kubuntu 7.04 beta
[06:11] <Assimilator> the last install I did a full 400meg adept upgrade and I lost the wireless bars on the taskbar but the wireless was still working
[06:11] <darx> it works but i've to manually restart ra0
[06:12] <Skuller> !nvidia
[06:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:12] <Assimilator> i'm having trobble getting java plugin to work for firefox
[06:13] <darx> oh well.. i'll have to wait for my wife to join the fun then..
[06:13] <darx> at least feisty is much better than what edgy was
[06:14] <Assimilator> it's installed finaly but when i load websites with embedded java boxes the boxes just hang and never load
[06:14] <darx> i haven't installed java yet
[06:14] <comlag> hi
[06:14] <comlag> any of u guys have cedega?
[06:15] <intelikey> module_loader.c/378: ERROR: Can't open "admin" module
[06:15] <intelikey> module_loader.c/226: ERROR: dlopen(/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so): /usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
[06:16] <intelikey> directory
[06:16] <Minataku> Heya, genii :3
[06:16] <genii> Minataku Hi :)
[06:16] <Minataku> Missed you the past couple of nights because I was sleeping X3
[06:17] <intelikey> genii get coffee
[06:17] <genii> Minataku I've been sleepin at day up at night lately  LOL
[06:17] <intelikey> :)
[06:17] <Minataku> lol
[06:17] <intelikey> will it float a horse shoe ?
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[06:18] <intelikey> strong coffee if it will float a horse shoe
[06:18] <Hirvinen> !away > voidmage
[06:18] <genii> It'll dissolve a mere horseshoe
[06:19] <LeeJunFan> na, it'll temper it.
[06:19] <intelikey> looks like genii doesn't either
[06:19] <voidmage> Hirvinen: i got disconnected, this was my backup nick apparently
[06:19] <genii> :)
[06:20] <intelikey> so howto fix this error message ?
[06:20] <intelikey> module_loader.c/226: ERROR: dlopen(/usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so): /usr/lib/cherokee/libplugin_admin.so: cannot open shared object file:
[06:21] <intelikey> there's everything but admin in there...
[06:22] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: check packages.ubuntu.com and see if you can locate which package might have that ? Or it's a broken package.
[06:22] <intelikey> LeeJunFan mm k
[06:23] <genii> might be wrong default path. eg: file actually exists but not in that dir
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: or is it something you compiled yourself?
[06:23] <LeeJunFan> I searched for libplugin_admin.so and no packages found in edgy or feisty having that file, but if it's a symlink it prob won't show up.
[06:24] <intelikey> LeeJunFan no it's a apt-get
[06:24] <intelikey> dapper
[06:24] <intelikey> why would the default configs ferferance a module that doesn't exist ?
[06:25] <intelikey> ferfer ?
[06:25] <genii> What is the cherokee parent package/program?
[06:25] <intelikey> cherokee
[06:25] <NightBird> question... do I want the generic kernel, or the 386 kernel?
[06:25] <intelikey> generic NightBird
[06:26] <NightBird> ok
[06:26] <family> is their away to have kicker/kdesktop to use viewports instread of desktops?
[06:26] <genii> intelikey Just like it better than apache or something? LOL
[06:26] <Skuller> can someone tell me how do i check which kernel version i have of 11-386 or 11-generic?
[06:26] <intelikey> genii only heard of it today  thought i'd give a look...
[06:27] <intelikey> genii it's a tribal thing.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> uname -r
[06:27] <genii> heh
[06:27] <mzanfardino> looking for a simple command line app to burn an iso to cd.
[06:27] <DaSkreech> cdrecord
[06:27] <genii> cdrecord
[06:27] <mzanfardino> viele danke
[06:27] <Skuller> DaSkreech: thanks
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Sure
[06:27] <DaSkreech> you left #ps3dev?
[06:28] <intelikey> xcdroast  and use the script from the cli  hehhe i've done that for burning cds
[06:28] <intelikey> cdw is good
[06:28] <intelikey> cdrecord is the standard.
[06:29] <DaSkreech> xcdroast does indicate it uses X
[06:30] <mzanfardino> I'm reading the man page, but I'm just looking for a quick and dirty command to burn an ISO to my /dev/scd0
[06:30] <intelikey> DaSkreech yes  but like i said it has scripts that do the actual work.
[06:31] <DaSkreech> mzanfardino: cdrecord
[06:32] <intelikey> maybe the admin module is in the client package ???
[06:33] <mzanfardino> yeah, I guess I'm saying I'm too lazy to look up the syntax... :)
[06:33] <drew_> hello
[06:34] <intelikey> using xcdroast from the cli
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Cool
[06:34] <DaSkreech> mzanfardino: tough
[06:34] <drew_> how do you compile a .sh?
[06:34] <DaSkreech> with ./
[06:34] <drew_> im new
[06:35] <intelikey> compile a shell script ?
[06:35] <drew_> yes
[06:35] <DaSkreech> drew_: It's interpreted
[06:35] <DaSkreech> That's why it's a sript
[06:35] <DaSkreech> script
[06:35] <intelikey> never seen that done....
[06:35] <DaSkreech> it doesn't need to be compiled
[06:35] <genii> mzanfardino There are some examples here: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html that will show you how to use the output of cdrecord -scanbus  into a commandline cdrecord line to burn an iso
[06:37] <intelikey> genii glad you mentioned that. DaSkreech that dev= is static you would have to adjust that accordingly.   i didn't write that to be portable
[06:37] <mzanfardino> genii: thank you! I'm just feeling really lazy tonight...
[06:37] <intelikey> i could..   mainly just showing how one can use the gui tool from the cli to do the un-possable
[06:37] <Minataku> Heh
[06:38] <Minataku> Here's mine
[06:38] <Minataku> sudo cdrecord -dev=/dev/hdc -dao -v filename.iso
[06:38] <Minataku> I cut out application-specific options I usually use
[06:39] <genii> I found recently a .c wrapper for bash shells which I found interesting. It doesn't really compile them as such  but rather links em in so ppl can't read your scripts
[06:39] <Minataku> Though you shouldn't be using cdrecord anymore
[06:39] <Minataku> lol
[06:39] <me2win> !wmv
[06:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Why not?
[06:40] <Minataku> Because Schily changed it to a nonfree license
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Seriously?
[06:40] <Minataku> Yeah
[06:40] <DaSkreech>  Where's the fork?
[06:40] <Minataku> cdrtools
[06:40] <drew_> does any one know of a lichtcribe prgm?
[06:40] <drew_> ightscribe*
[06:41] <Minataku> Yeah, when he added DVD burning support to it it was limited to, like, 1GB or something
[06:41] <intelikey> no cdrtools in dapper...
[06:41] <Minataku> !cdrecord
[06:41] <ubotu> cdrecord: command line CD writing tool. In component main, is optional. Version 4:2.01+01a03-5ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 567 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[06:41] <intelikey> so my version is still free.
[06:41] <Minataku> Hm
[06:41] <Minataku> !cdrtools
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrtools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <Minataku> !cdrwtools
[06:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrwtools - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:41] <Minataku> Bah
[06:42] <Minataku> No snack for you
[06:42] <DaSkreech> :-)
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Minataku: You have a link for the new license?
[06:42] <Minataku> It'll burn CD-Rs just fine, but it's crippleware for DVDs
[06:43] <intelikey> cdrtools-doc - Documentation for the cdrtools package-suite
[06:43] <intelikey> but not any package  cdrtools  ???
[06:43] <Minataku> Hm
[06:43] <Minataku> Supposedly it's CDDL
[06:43] <intelikey> odd as chicken lips
[06:43] <drew_> k, i got that script as a file now, what do i run it with?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> What?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Minataku: Link!
[06:44] <Minataku> Hm... he must have changed his mind, perhaps
[06:44] <mzanfardino> genii: that link really did the trick.  I figured there was a pretty straight-forward command I could use.    I can send email just fine though
[06:48] <intelikey> well if that was reason enough to never use software we'd all be trashing the boxes on our desk.
[06:48] <eduard> i have a question - how can i enable upgrade button in Adept manager?
[06:49] <drew_> what version KDE is dapper?
[06:49] <LeeJunFan> firecrotch: /var/log/mail.info might have some useful info.
[06:49] <Minataku> intelikey: Well, he also claims Linux is "broken" and I have had issues with cdrecord before
[06:49] <Minataku> It seems he doesn't like how Linux does things and refuses to abide by them
[06:49] <firecrotch> LeeJunFan:  Thanks, I'll take a look at it
[06:50] <intelikey> Minataku :)
[06:51] <eduard> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDistUpgrade - there is description of how to do it, but i cant start upgrade without downloading  newCD
[06:51] <DaSkreech> eduard: sorry?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> Ahh
[06:51] <intelikey> Q what is the name of the symlink that you place in your ~/ to point to /var/www/   ?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> follow that page :-)
[06:51] <eduard> DaSkreech i did, did you?
[06:51] <firecrotch> LeeJunFan: Looks like Postfix is bouncing them
[06:51] <DaSkreech> eduard: did you fetch updates?
[06:52] <intelikey> so anyone know what dir apache looks for in your home dir ?
[06:53] <intelikey> firefox <IP_ADDRESS> what does it look for ?
[06:53] <firecrotch> intelikey: it should be /var/www
[06:53] <eduard> DaSkreech - i add: deb - http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/archive-edgy-dist-upgrade-kde356-i386/  - edgy-proposed  - main  < is it correct?>
[06:53] <d_> hey ny1 has serial key for win 2000?
[06:53] <DaSkreech> with those dashes?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> d_: No go buy it
[06:54] <intelikey> firecrotch well it's in ~/  but there is a dir missing and i'm getting                                  404 Not Found
[06:54] <intelikey>    The requested URL / was not found on this server.
[06:54] <intelikey> i can do goto .  and it's my home dir.
[06:54] <genii_> bah disconnected
[06:54] <Minataku> d_: Try this one Y0U4R-4N1D1-07F0R-45K1N-GH3R3
[06:54] <DaSkreech> eduard: with those dashes
[06:54] <d_> ty
[06:54] <eduard> DaSkreech  I mean - i add this to Repositoy
[06:55] <DaSkreech> you have - edgy-prosed
[06:55] <Minataku> Note that's totally fake and actually spells something out
[06:55] <DaSkreech> do you have the -
[06:55] <eduard> DaSkreech dashes - my comments
[06:55] <firecrotch> intelikey: take a look at /var/log/apache2/error.log
[06:55] <Minataku> See if you can decode it :D
[06:55] <DaSkreech> eduard: ah ok
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Well no it's not right in any case
[06:55] <Minataku> It's fun for the whole family :3
[06:55] <intelikey> firecrotch good idea
[06:55] <DaSkreech> edgy-propsed main shouldn't be there
[06:55] <Minataku> Though I'll eat my hat if it ends up being valid
[06:56] <genii> !info kdelibs dapper | drew_
[06:56] <ubotu> drew_: kdelibs: core libraries from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18.2 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 88 kB
[06:56] <DaSkreech> it should be ./
[06:56] <eduard> DaSkreech jast : "deb" and then "link".? where should be ./? in which colomn ?
[06:56] <syke> hi
[06:57] <syke> I just tried the edgy->feisty upgrade
[06:57] <DaSkreech>  third
[06:57] <eduard> ok
[06:57] <DaSkreech> you have kde 3.5.6 ?
[06:57] <syke> the upgrader kept crashing (filed a bug), so I ended up doing a dist-upgrade a couple of times
[06:57] <sproingie> i just did it.  pretty seamless
[06:57] <syke> everything is finally installed, but now X won't start
[06:57] <syke> it claims it can't find any devices
[06:58] <syke> the ATI X driver says the same thing
[06:58] <syke> this was obviously working before the upgrade, so now I'm stuck with a tty
[06:58] <eduard> DaSkrech yes i suppose
[06:58] <syke> any ideas? is this a known issue?
[06:59] <eduard> DaSkreech   i have Edgy
[06:59] <genii> DaSkreech: I think I have whatever came with herd5
[06:59] <DaSkreech> eduard: Umm ok
[06:59] <syke> there's no more broken packages and update/dist-upgrade has nothing more to install
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Are you in konversation now?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> Help -> about KDE
[06:59] <eduard> so guys your advice - shall we install this new upgrade?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Tell me which version you are running
[07:01] <genii> I've got 3.5.6 on Feisty but since I mainly use the xfce haven't tortre tested it or anything ( I have all 3 WM installed, gnome, kde and xfce)
[07:01] <eduard> DaSkreech me?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> eduard: yes you :)
[07:01] <eduard> DaSkreech ah,sorryy
[07:02] <eduard> DaSkreech 6.10
[07:02] <genii> DaSkreech: LOL misunderstanding
[07:02] <Minataku> Hm... he hasn't come back, so either he was joking or the key I completely made up worked
[07:02] <DaSkreech> eduard: are you in konversation?
[07:02] <eduard> DaSkreech with you
[07:02] <intelikey> ok i'll change to/from   apache   apache2   cherokee   what ever...   if i can't get local webpages working then i'll rm them all
[07:02] <DaSkreech> genii: :)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> eduard: help -> About KDE
[07:02] <genii> Minataku: Likely he's trying to find some keygen someplace LOL
[07:03] <Minataku> lol
[07:03] <Minataku> genii: Did you see the key I made up?
[07:03] <genii> Minataku: Yes, I did
[07:03] <eduard> DaSkreech3.5.5
[07:03] <Minataku> Heehee, I was happy it ended up coming out to 25
[07:03] <DaSkreech> eduard: Ok then you are using the wrong repo
[07:03] <Minataku> I wonder if he got it too, maybe that's why he hasn't come back XD
[07:04] <eduard> DaSkreech ups
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Don't use the second one
[07:04] <DaSkreech>  use the first one
[07:04] <Minataku> If you haven't looked closely, it spells out "YOURE AN IDIOT FOR ASKING HERE"
[07:04] <Minataku> XD
[07:04] <intelikey> Minataku wasn't 2000 using 6 digit code for it's keys ?
[07:04] <Minataku> I dunno
[07:04] <Freeza^> does anyone happen to be running a laptop or desktop with an ati x700 gpu in it? i cant seem to get fglrx working for the life of me and ive tried every different method that is on the forums so im guessing its my specific gpu thats giving me issues
[07:04] <Minataku> I thought all the recent ones were 5-5-5-5-5
[07:05] <Minataku> 5 Base 32 pentets
[07:05] <eduard> DaSkreech which one shall i use than?
[07:05] <Minataku> *Base 36
[07:05] <DaSkreech> The first on
[07:05] <billytwowilly> so is it fairly safe to upgrade to feisty?
[07:05] <Freeza^> i tried the feisty upgrade from edgy last time i reinstalled and it worked like a charm
[07:05] <crimsun> I've had pretty good experience with the Feisty beta
[07:06] <genii> Me too
[07:06] <firecrotch> billytwowilly: I'm doing good with Feisty :)
[07:06] <billytwowilly> k, I'm bored so I'm going to try it out;)
[07:06] <DaSkreech> eduard: you have adept open?
[07:06] <mallah> Hi, Does debian store "when" a package was installed in the system ?
[07:06] <Freeza^> i dont think it remembers dates
[07:07] <mallah> thats bad
[07:07] <intelikey> abandondon edgy and go feisty all
[07:07] <billytwowilly> when is feisty supposed to be released anyway?
[07:07] <eduard> DaSkreech - now yes
[07:07] <crimsun> mallah: sure, see the dpkg log
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> I've been running feisty for a long time now and I'd say it's been beta quality for a while.
[07:07] <mallah> cool
[07:08] <mallah> thanks crimsun
[07:08] <DaSkreech> eduard: go to manage repositories and enable edgy-proposed
[07:08] <intelikey> mallah the logfiles will have timestamps
[07:08] <genii> If you do a long listing of /var/cache/apt/archive it may have time stamps. Tho I can't remember if there the times are original file creation times or when they got put on your box
[07:08] <Minataku> genii: Did you have a chance to get a shipping quote for me?
[07:08] <eduard> DaSkreech i see that last one is 3.80.3 how can i get this one? is it stable?
[07:08] <intelikey> oh i lag...
[07:08] <eduard> DaSkreech KDE i mean
[07:08] <LeeJunFan> /var/log/dpkg.log
[07:08] <intelikey> ooops
[07:09] <DaSkreech> the last one?
[07:09] <DaSkreech> eduard: you don't want that one :)
[07:09] <DaSkreech>  but you can get one if you like
[07:09] <eduard> DaSkreech i don have there Edgy-proposed
[07:09] <eduard> DaSkreech why?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> It's the alpha of KDE$
[07:10] <eduard> DaSkreech - why would i dont want the last KDE ?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> KDE4
[07:10] <mallah> looks like grep "status install"  /var/log/dpkg.log   did the trick ,
[07:10] <intelikey> !commonsense | eduard
[07:10] <ubotu> eduard: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[07:10] <mallah> thanks guys
[07:11] <mallah> and GALS too :)
[07:11] <eduard> ubotu  is it not stable yet ?
[07:11] <syke> hi
[07:11] <syke> my X will not start after the upgrade -- the ATI driver says it can't find any screens
[07:11] <DaSkreech>  add deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main to your sources
[07:12] <syke> has anyone else seen/heard of this major problem?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:12] <DaSkreech> syke: It's not that bad
[07:12] <syke> X won't start, so I can't use restricted-manager to try newer ATI drivers, even
[07:12] <DaSkreech> back up your X config and run the X configure
[07:13] <DaSkreech> eduard: It's not stable enough to use and it's not intereting yet
[07:13] <intelikey> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:13] <DaSkreech> eduard: this time next year you are going to be rolling in the hay with it though
[07:13] <syke> intelikey: I already did that
[07:13] <intelikey> then you set something "incorrectly"
[07:14] <eduard> rolling in the hay  - sorry for my english, i hope it is a good something :))
[07:14] <DaSkreech> eduard: yeah
[07:15] <eduard> well, i am using Linux just 1 week though
[07:16] <syke> intelikey: weird, I was using -phigh before
[07:16] <eduard> DaSkreech - ok, now i do full upgrade , fingers cross
[07:16] <DaSkreech> Yeah You really don't want to play with 3.80 then
[07:16] <syke> and it didn't work
[07:16] <syke> but it did this time
[07:16] <syke> thanks!!!
[07:16] <DaSkreech> eduard: You added the repo?