 In python is there a way to have something similar if (!test) which means that if is executed if the test does not succeed?
[02:54] <krababbel> Hi, I am looking for a guide on /etc/hosts, particularily the localhost part. I read many different ways to write the first two lines in hosts. For example why do some assign <IP_ADDRESS> to the hostname, while others do <IP_ADDRESS> hostname localhost? Is localhost.mynet valid, etc.?
[02:57] <krababbel> Or specifically, is it OK to just write: '<IP_ADDRESS> localhost.net localhost'? I will have a DNS in my network.
[04:26] <Joe_knock> Hello
[04:27] <sarnold> isn't it unreasonably early in south africa? :)
[04:30] <Joe_knock> haha sarnold, yeah it's 6.30am . I am busy trying to configure my VPS
[04:31] <sarnold> Joe_knock: hehe, 6:30am on a saturday morning, my goal is to flip the pillow over to the cool side.. :)
[04:31] <Joe_knock> Your IP says comcast, so you'd only flip it over to the cool side cause you live in a warm area of the USA
[04:32] <sarnold> haha, too true. oregon is nice and moderate :)
[04:33] <Joe_knock> 10 hour time difference
[04:35] <Joe_knock> sarnold, are you familiar with setting up a dedicated server/VPS?
[04:36] <sarnold> Joe_knock: depends on the pieces involved :)
[04:36] <Joe_knock> I'm at the beginning piece, so let me ask my question
[04:37] <Joe_knock> Say I created a hostname as server.example.com for my VPS. They gave me an IP address, should I now use my domain registrar to create that specific subdomain and make the IP address point to it?
[04:38] <sarnold> Joe_knock: does your domain registrar also handle your domain's DNS?
[04:38] <sarnold> (many registrars only need the addresses of your DNS servers)
[04:39] <Joe_knock> Yes, although my hosting company says they provide DNS services, I'd prefer to just keep it with my registrar for now.
[04:42] <sarnold> Joe_knock: cool; one thing to keep in mind is that you can have as many names pointing to that IP as you want (A records, CNAMEs to other names), but the reverse lookup from that IP can only go to one name (a PTR record)
[04:44] <Joe_knock> So should my hostname be the same as the domain name I want to use? For example, I want to host a webapp saved at: app.example.com , should my hostname then also be app.example.com or is there a way to keep the hostname as server.example.com and still run the webapp at app.example.com ?
[04:45] <sarnold> Joe_knock: most webapps are happy to run on a name-based virtual host; be aware that name-based virtual hosting and TLS don't exactly play well together, so if you want it on https, look into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
[04:47] <sarnold> Joe_knock: setting the hostname to server.example.com, adding an A record for server.example.com -> your ip, a PTR from your ip -> server.example.com, and a CNAME from app.example.com -> server.example.com, ought to work
[04:47] <Joe_knock> okay, so I need to add a CNAME
[04:47] <sarnold> yeah
[04:49] <Joe_knock> sarnold, why do I need the PTR?
[04:50] <sarnold> Joe_knock: it's convenient for ping and traceroute output, if you log in to other hosts from it using ssh, it'll be more easily visible in those other hosts's logs where you came from, and having a matching forward->reverse->forward chain of DNS will help improve the chances that emails sent from that machine won't be flagged as spam
[04:52] <Joe_knock> Thanks sarnold. That makes a lot of sense. I doubt my VPS would be able to handle email though, it's a 1GB memory, 30GB SSD that I paid $7 for.
[04:53] <sarnold> Joe_knock: you wouldn't want to send millions a month on that :) but it ought to have plenty of horsepower for low-duty mail..
[04:54] <Joe_knock> The purpose of this VPS is to run Phabricator for a team of about 10-12 people
[04:55] <Joe_knock> I'll try configuring email on it though, should be useful to send updates to people.
[04:55] <sarnold> "oh whats that?" -> firefox -> "oh, the link is purple, apparently I have heard about it", hehe :)
[04:57] <Joe_knock> sarnold are you primarily a webdeveloper?
[04:58] <sarnold> "The arcanist command line tool gives you CLI access to most of Phabricator's functionality. Many cryptic commands.". Man, I think I like these guys :) hehe
[04:58] <sarnold> Joe_knock: no, I do security things
[04:59] <Joe_knock> white hat?
[04:59] <sarnold> yeah
[04:59] <sarnold> lucky for me, I'm horrible at exploit authoring :)
[05:01] <Joe_knock> This whole hacking thing is weird, because I think I found a legal way to do something that shouldn't be possible.
[05:14] <Joe_knock> sarnold I thought every white hat should be able to do black hat type of stuff?
[05:15] <sarnold> Joe_knock: I'm content being able to find and fix flaws; actually weaponizing what I find is just much less interesting to me..
[05:16] <Joe_knock> so it's a 2-step process. Exploiting a flaw requires a certain level of other skills?
[05:18] <sarnold> Joe_knock: I don't know if it is a skill or a disposition.... it certainly takes persistence to iterate and refine an exploit, and I'd personally rather spend the time going to find more problems :) some people prefer the challenge of getting their exploit to function.
[05:19] <mdeslaur> knowing how to write an exploit is one thing, wanting to spend a week writing the exploit is another
[05:20] <Joe_knock> Wouldn't writing exploits be classified as a certain type of programming?
[05:21] <Joe_knock> I was initially thinking of it as a '
[05:21] <sarnold> mdeslaur: .. and that directly leads to not being very good at it. I have fond memories of nights up doing CTF preliminary contests and jj trying to help me get a simple buffer overflow exploit to work...
[05:21] <Joe_knock> I was initially thinking of it as a 'reverse-process' type of programming.
[05:22] <sarnold> sure, it sounds simple enough, throw _something_ at the overflow, try to find the offset, and change the length of nop slide to try to get closer, iterate your way there, but I sure found it harder to do in practice :)
[05:23] <sarnold> just seeing the 0x41414141 is plenty good for me :)
[05:24] <Joe_knock> sarnold how do you classify somebody that uses tools written by someone else? Like say a DDoS tool that makes a million headless requests to a website. I've heard them being called 'script-kiddies'. Is that the right term/
[05:24] <Joe_knock> *?
[05:25] <sarnold> Joe_knock: that seems a fitting description if they rely upon tools written by others.
[05:27] <Joe_knock> something occurred to me whilst researching webscraping. The principle of scraping is a "gray area", yet if you consider what you were able to learn by scraping, you can apply that same knowledge to do harm too. Does a lot of bad hacking come from being able to do good/not-so-bad things?
[05:28] <sarnold> Joe_knock: very much so, a recent court case involved a fellow who discovered that (AT&T, I think) exposed an interface for his billing information that included something like &customer_id=12345678 -- well, he added one to it, and found someone else's billing information
[05:29] <sarnold> Joe_knock: seems like simple enough stuff so far; well, he went to the efforts of scraping together a few hundred thousand or million of them, and AT&T decided to sue.
[05:30] <Joe_knock> I would blame AT&T for that. Nobody taught them how to use cookie-sessions to protect other customer data from being exposed.
[05:31] <sarnold> well, that's the thing...
[05:31] <sarnold> if you try one or two others, that's fair enough. let em know, and move on...
[05:32] <Joe_knock> When you say billing information, are you referring to basically invoices and that type of stuff? or like the credit card details?
[05:32] <sarnold> .. but when you collect a few hundred thousand of them, that's changed the color of your hat significantly.
[05:32] <sarnold> Joe_knock: I presumed it was name, address, phone numbers, but probably not credit card numbers
[05:33] <Joe_knock> but that's harmless data. Everything accessible via a phonebook
[05:34] <sarnold> what's a phone book? :)
[05:34] <Joe_knock> he must've scraped it from his home ip address, otherwise it can be very hard to track someone down these days.
[05:39] <sarnold> alright time to pop off for the night :) have fun Joe_knock
[05:39] <Joe_knock> take care sarnold.
[05:39] <Joe_knock> thanks again.
[06:05] <Joe_knock> When setting up your ubuntu server, is it advisable to create a user instead of using root?
[10:42] <Joe_knock> hello everyone
[11:51] <hengky> hi guy anybody can help me
[11:51] <hengky> i am using ubuntu server 12.0.4
[11:51] <hengky> my problem is i want to install ubuntu server on ibm system x3100 m4 with raid 1
[11:52] <hengky> but when i finish partitioning
[11:52] <hengky> the installer does not want to write the disk
[11:52] <hengky> anybody can help me
[11:53] <hengky> hello anybody
[11:53] <bekks> hengky: state your issue in one sentence please.
[11:53] <bekks> !details | henkjan_
[11:53] <bekks> gna
[11:53] <bekks> !details | hengky
[11:55] <hengky> i have a problem with installing ubuntu server, i am running ubuntu version 12.0.4 when i try to write the disk hardware raid 1, the installer does not want to write the disk, the installer stay in the purple background and i cannot do anything after that
[11:56] <bekks> hengky: Tell us the details like the exact error you get.
[11:57] <hengky> there is no error message
[11:57] <hengky> it just display a purple background and i cannot do anything
[11:58] <hengky> it is stuck in that purple display
[12:04] <hengky> any solution guys
[12:04] <hengky> my server is ibm system x3100 m4
[12:05] <hengky> i want to use hardware raid 1
[12:11] <shauno> hengky: at the 'purple screen', you should be able to use alt+left/right (cursors) to view other VTs, one should have a lot more detail logged on it
[12:11] <shauno> this might find you some angry-looking error messages that'd provide a much better clue
[12:13] <hengky> i don't understand what u mean
[12:14] <hengky> or do you have any tutorial how to install ubuntu server with hardware raid 1
[12:19] <Joe_knock> hengky shauno is telling you to press ALT + left/right
[14:28] <auronthas> anyone used to shorewall here ?  I run ubuntu server, I am trying to check what shorewall are blocking
[14:28] <auronthas> [215972.861637] Shorewall:net2fw:DROP:IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:25:90:d4:c1:c6:00:26:0b:f0:00:ff:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx LEN=64 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=52 ID=14590 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=49546 DPT=23877 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[14:30] <auronthas> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx are ip given from ISP
[14:56] <Patrickdk> why shorewall?
[14:57] <Patrickdk> that is a normal iptables log entry, nothing to do with shorewall
[19:42] <jhutchins> rennat41: Hey, don't give up yet.
[19:44] <jhutchins> rennat41: Depending on what went wrong, your data files are almost certainly still accessible.
[19:44] <rennat41> jhutchins: Sorry, I'm new to IRC is this a direct message?
[19:45] <jhutchins> rennat41: No, this is the #ubuntu-server channel.  We encourage people to discuss their problem publicly so anybody can help, and other people can learn.
[19:45] <jhutchins> rennat41: WHat's wrong with your system?  Does it boot?
[19:46] <jhutchins> rennat41: This isn't really a server vs. desktop issue, but there's less noise here.
[19:46] <jhutchins> rennat41: I'll be glad to try to help you if you're willing to provide some information and feedback.
[19:46] <rennat41> It does not boot, I get this error: "Not Init Found. Try passing boot= bootarg"
[19:47] <rennat41> jhutchins: sorry, I'm just a bit slow
[19:47] <rennat41> So my first step was to boot from disk and run fsck /dev/sda1
[19:48] <rennat41> but I got an error that fsck could not be fount
[19:48] <rennat41> *found
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> by "disk" I assume you meant boot to the OS itself, not a liveusb or livecd or smth.
[19:48] <TheLordOfTime> because if you can't boot to your system you can't fsck it, you should be doing that from a Live environment at the least
[19:48] <rennat41> I burned 12.04 to a disk and booted from that disk
[19:49] <jhutchins> rennat41: Sounds like grub isn't pointing to the right disk/partition.
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> fsck is on the livecd, if its not your disk is broken
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> jhutchins, or the /dev/sda1 is corrupted beyond measure, i've run into this issue before with dying hardware
[19:49] <jhutchins> TheLordOfTime: I believe this was  afailed upgrade.
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> jhutchins, as i said, corrupted beyond measure
[19:49] <TheLordOfTime> (many ways to corrupt a partition :P)
[19:50] <rennat41> Interesting. Any way I could find out if the hardware is bad
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, boot to the Live environment, and in the terminal do `sudo fdisk -l`
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> erm...
[19:50] <rennat41> I have windows 7 running fine if that helps
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> no it doesn't...
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> win7 != ubuntu, won't help us here
[19:50] <rennat41> Okay
[19:50] <TheLordOfTime> i think it's a lowercase "l", i have to check...
[19:50] <jhutchins> rennat41: Linux is much more useful for fixing Windows than Windows is for fixing Linux.
[19:50] <jhutchins> rennat41: Yes, fdisk -l
[19:51] <rennat41> Ha, alright
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> hehe, yeah been a while since i had to deal with fdisk :P
[19:51] <jhutchins> rennat41: THis should list the disks and partitions.
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, pastebin the output from `sudo fdisk -l` (without the ` characters)
[19:51] <TheLordOfTime> !pastebin
[19:51] <rennat41> what information do you need from fdisk?
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> ...
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> [2013/12/14 14:51:26] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, pastebin the output from `sudo fdisk -l` (without the ` characters)
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> "the output"
[19:52] <TheLordOfTime> i.e. everything it says
[19:52] <rennat41> Well, my network card isn't working on ubuntu so I'm on a mac right now
[19:53] <TheLordOfTime> well...
[19:53] <TheLordOfTime> kinda stuck on helping you then, you could always, I don't know, use an ethernet cable... or stick the output into a text file on a USB stick and paste it from your Mac...
[19:54] <rennat41> I'll do that
[19:54] <TheLordOfTime> ... crap, not again, brb, one of my servers is being stupid... again...
[19:57] <rennat41> No problem, here is the paste url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6574268/
[20:01] <zertyui> hi
[20:01] <zertyui> i try to set vhost but unfortunately can't
[20:03] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, I'm... confused by this...
[20:03] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, when you said you were running a server on the system, there would be an ext2 / ext3 / ext4 partition there...
[20:03] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, is this a Wubi install?
[20:03] <TheLordOfTime> (if it is, #ubuntu is where you need to be)
[20:03] <rennat41> Oh, They told me on that channel that I should be here
[20:04] <rennat41> But it's just a local server
[20:04] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, you didn't answer my question
[20:04] <rennat41> I'm sorry, I'm not sure
[20:04] <TheLordOfTime> did you install Ubuntu Server to the disk, or did you install Ubuntu (for desktops) inside of Windows with Wubi
[20:04] <TheLordOfTime> because if it's the second of those two things, your actual question is "How do I recover my Wubi installation"
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> if its the first, then something else you did broke it, because there's no Ubuntu-usable partitions there.
[20:05] <rennat41> I had windows and then installed ubuntu as a virtual os
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> (and I say "Ubuntu-usable" because Linux and NTFS don't play nice with the permissions)
[20:05] <rennat41> If that answers your question...
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, ahhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, so this is a virtual machine
[20:05] <rennat41> Indeed
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, that changes things
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> because running a server in a VM that works everywhere, and recovering data from that VM, tends to be a PITA sometimes
[20:06] <rennat41> I see…
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> what virtualization software were you using?
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> virtualbox?  or something else
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> ... STUPID EVIL PIECE OF... *grumbles*
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> sorry, python's causing my servers to break... :/
[20:07] <rennat41> Sorry, maybe I'm not describing this right. When I boot, I can chose between ubuntu or win7
[20:07]  * TheLordOfTime kills python on his server
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, then you installed Ubuntu from within Windows 7
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> that's called "wubi"
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> and your question is "How do I recover stuff from my Wubi installation"
[20:08] <TheLordOfTime> and we can't really help with that here, you'll need #ubuntu for that
[20:08] <rennat41> I think I just have a duel instal
[20:08] <TheLordOfTime> you don't, rennat41
[20:08] <rennat41> Oh
[20:08] <TheLordOfTime> if you did then we'd see something else in your fdisk -l
[20:09] <rennat41> Okay, well I'll go to #ubuntu and see if they can help. Thanks!
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> lemme grab an example fdisk -l for one moment
[20:09] <rennat41> Okay
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> bleh stupid server...
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, anyways, under the 'System' column we'd see "Linux" and probably "Linux Swap", and there'd be 3 or 4 partitions on your system on /dev/sda*
[20:10] <TheLordOfTime> we only see 2 and they're both NTFS
[20:10] <TheLordOfTime> which indicates that you've got Ubuntu installed, but not a dual-boot install, a Wubi install
[20:10] <TheLordOfTime> in which Ubuntu installs to a file on your computer, and does some arcane magic to make Linux boot from outside of Windows, while everything still exists inside your Windows partitions
[20:11] <TheLordOfTime> which means you don't actually have to mess with the partition table
[20:11] <TheLordOfTime> the problem with this, is that it's a lot harder to fix Wubi
[20:11] <TheLordOfTime> so you'll have to get help in recovering Wubi, which is your actual question.
[20:11] <rennat41> Ah okay. That makes sense. Well thanks for the info.
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> you're welcome.
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, ultimately, #ubuntu, or ubuntuforums.org or askubuntu.com, would be your best bet for getting help
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> although on Ask Ubuntu, we tend to say "ALL WUBI MUST BURN!"
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> because the veterans there (myself included) hate Wubi with a passion
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, also, let me make you aware...
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> Ubuntu Server doesn't have a graphical interface.
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> non-server Ubuntu has the GUI.
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> so if you're using Ubuntu and it boots to a GUI it's nto Ubuntu Server.
[20:14] <rennat41> Yeah I thought so. Now I know!
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> but like all other Ubuntus, that's irrelevant...
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> because server *packages* like LAMP or Apache, or nginx, or bind9, etc...
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> can all be installed on a standard Ubuntu desktop installation
[20:15] <rennat41> What is the better alternative to a Wubi install?
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> dual boot installation direct to the hard drive, but you run the risk of your Windows exploding in the process
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> since Windows doesn't like its partitions changed.
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> (because you have to resize Windows to make space for Ubuntu)
[20:15] <rennat41> I did change the partitions when I installed ubuntu
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> Wubi is okayish for people who don't want to mess with their partition tables
[20:16] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, not according to fdisk
[20:16] <rennat41> That's why I'm confused
[20:16] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, how did you install Ubuntu in the first place
[20:16] <TheLordOfTime> when you first installed it, did you boot to the Live disk, or did you open the wubi.exe file from within Windows?
[20:16] <rennat41> I booted to the live disk
[20:17] <rennat41> I didn't even know about Wubi to be honest
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> hmm
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, and the system seriously has a 2TB disk?
[20:17] <rennat41> Yes
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> did you upgrade Windows or something?
[20:17] <rennat41> Not recently
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> because I don't see an ext partition which is necessary in your fdisk...
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> so this suggests that either your partition table is completely broken
[20:18] <TheLordOfTime> and the ext partitions are just so damaged they're not retrievable or readable by fdisk...
[20:18] <TheLordOfTime> or you never actually did a dual boot install and did Wubi
[20:18] <TheLordOfTime> (which is possible)
[20:18] <rennat41> I think it is. because when I said that I could see my documents from Ubuntu, I actually can't. All I can see is my windows files
[20:18] <rennat41> Both windows and Ubuntu had the same username so I got confused
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> it's one of those two situations, and if its the first one you're kinda in for hell because it's *really* hard to recover data from so badly corrupted partitions that fdisk can't even see them...
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> and if it's Wubi that's equally hard.
[20:19] <rennat41> So my guess is, all hope is lost
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, I personally always tell everyone this:
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> RULE #1: Always back up your data. ALWAYS.
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> Rule #2: See rule #1
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> Rule #3: See rule #2
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> Rule #4: see rule #3
[20:20] <TheLordOfTime> cardinal rule of all computers and servers: Always keep backups
[20:20] <rennat41> I know, I've been beating myself up all day for that
[20:20] <rennat41> I keep backups of windows and my mac, and never set it up for Ubuntu
[20:20] <TheLordOfTime> rennat41, i actually run a few sites from only one server... my other servers all have mirrored data, so the data is the same, so if one goes dead, i can always recover.
[20:20] <TheLordOfTime> but i have several servers and/or VPSes for that purpose, I'm atypical :p
[20:21] <rennat41> You're smart!
[20:21]  * TheLordOfTime looks out the window.
[20:21] <TheLordOfTime> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
[20:21] <TheLordOfTime> it looks icy and slippery and crap out there...
[20:21] <TheLordOfTime> crap, i have to go salt and shovel, back later...
[20:21] <rennat41> Alright, thanks again for the help!
[20:29] <zertyui> hello anyone ?
[20:29] <zertyui> i just installed apache2
[20:30] <zertyui> it works with sigle host but not virtual host
[20:30] <zertyui> what to do ?
[20:33] <GreatBacon> zertyui did you check with #httpd about that yet?
[20:33] <zertyui> no
[20:33] <zertyui> let me check that
[21:33] <adamjames> i am trying to get an atheros usb wifi adapter working on 12.04. it has chipset AR5523, i have searched the web and followed the guides that seem to have worked for other folks. lsusb shows the device but no firmware. i have copied the firmware to /lib/firmware and done modprobe ar5523 and still no luck. can anyone help me get this going?
[21:38] <Ben64> wifi on ubuntu server?
[21:40] <adamjames> Ben64: yes, not for internet, for playing with a sandisk wfd.
[21:41] <adamjames> http://www.sandisk.com/wfd/ it has webdav support...
[23:39] <GreatBacon> anyone want to help troubleshoot my bind9 configuration?  I'm sure I missed something small and obvious but it's been evading me due to being zoned out on pain killers for a knee injury @__@
[23:40] <GreatBacon> it's a new install / setup, not a production machine
[23:44] <GreatBacon> Bueller......
[23:47] <GreatBacon> Ruetobas, how is your comfort level with bind9?


[07:32] <LaserJock> moquist: around?
[07:32] <moquist> yes
[07:32] <moquist> oddly enough
[07:32] <moquist> i want to be asleep in bed but I am not.
[07:33] <LaserJock> I'm testing moodle
[07:33] <LaserJock> I can't get the mysql install to work
[07:33] <LaserJock> after I install it I go to http://localhost/moodle/admin/ and it's just a blank page
[07:34] <moquist> what about http://localhost/moodle/ ?
[07:34] <LaserJock> same thing
[07:34] <moquist> Hmm. That's not great.
[07:34] <LaserJock> it looks like it's gonna load
[07:34] <moquist> Which DB type?
[07:34] <LaserJock> but it's just a blank page
[07:34] <LaserJock> mysql
[07:34] <LaserJock> postgresql works fine
[07:34] <moquist> heh; ok
[07:35] <moquist> do you know if the DB exists and is fine?
[07:35] <moquist> $ mysql
[07:35] <moquist> > show tables;
[07:35] <moquist> wait
[07:35] <moquist> > connect moodle;
[07:35] <moquist> > show tables;
[07:36] <moquist> can I have access to the system? :p (temporary ssh via a forwarded connection would be fine...you log into my network and I log back into your system)
[07:37] <LaserJock> well, I don't know if that'd work very well
[07:38] <LaserJock> it's kinda back behind a bunch of stuff in a VM
[07:38] <moquist> It would work jsut fine, as long as that system has access to the 'Net.
[07:38] <moquist> that's the beauty of forwarding ports via SSH.
[08:24] <lns> Reminds me of telnetting to the local library to go telnet from there somewhere else, hop...hop...hop... hehe
[12:02] <jonkke> Hi
[12:04] <jonkke> sorry my bad english, but have anyone got HP laserjet 1020 printer working in ltsp client?
[12:05] <jonkke> i read that i need to upload firmware first and then printing works, but i don't know how i can do it. printer is connected to client via USB cable
[01:44] <juliux> ogra, is it right that you want that we test http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070913/  ?
[01:44] <ogra> juliux, yes
[01:45] <ogra> but you need extra big CDs or a dvd
[01:49] <juliux> np
[01:49] <juliux> i will find a extra big CD or an dvd drive
[02:55] <sbalneav> Morning all
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[02:58] <sbalneav> ogra: I'm pushing my tree now for the compiz fix
[02:59] <ogra> hey, thanks
[02:59] <ogra> i was holding back the package :)
[02:59] <ogra> (fixed the SERVER/nbd issue)
[03:00] <sbalneav> I just deleted S15-compiz :)
[03:01] <ogra> and then ?
[03:01] <ogra> i tought yu wanted to default to off
[03:02] <ogra> just wrap the code in there in "if [ -n USE_COMPIZ ] ;then ...; fi"
[03:03] <ogra> err
[03:03] <ogra> "if [ ! -n USE_COMPIZ ] ;then ...; fi"
[03:03] <ogra> :)
[03:05] <ogra> sbalneav, so you wnat compiz on by default now ?
[03:05] <ogra> on all clients ?
[03:06] <sbalneav> it seems to shut itself off nicely on clients that can't handle it.
[03:07] <ogra> you tested ?
[03:07] <sbalneav> 5 clients
[03:07] <ogra> ok
[03:07] <ogra> we can still add it bavk if needed :)
[03:07] <ogra> *back
[03:12] <ogra> heh, my vitual virtualbox thin client's virtual graphics card has a virtual HW error
[03:22] <sbalneav> Hey, I've run into a minor bug last night, ogra, was wondering if you've seen it.
[03:23] <sbalneav> OK, so, boot the terminal, everything's fine.
[03:23] <ogra> tell me
[03:23] <sbalneav> Log in
[03:23] <sbalneav> Sessions' fine
[03:23] <sbalneav> log out
[03:23] <sbalneav> I get hung at an X
[03:23] <sbalneav> log in as root on ther terminal
[03:23] <sbalneav> the old X is still hanging around
[03:24] <sbalneav> new X keeps trying to start, and failing.
[03:24] <ogra> the ssh session not having been killed
[03:24] <ogra> ?
[03:24] <sbalneav> kill the old X
[03:24] <sbalneav> No, the ssh session's gone.
[03:24] <sbalneav> it's the X.
[03:24] <sbalneav> but get this, the waitpid for it has returned!
[03:24] <sbalneav> Because I do a waitpid for it in the ldm code
[03:24] <sbalneav> So, kill the old X
[03:25] <sbalneav> now, I can log in and log out fine
[03:25] <sbalneav> no problems, no matter how many times I do it.
[03:26] <sbalneav> One final data point
[03:26] <sbalneav> the FIRST time I log in, I don't get a startup sound, but I get a shutdown sound
[03:27] <sbalneav> After X has been killed, from then on I get BOTH a login and logout sound.
[03:27] <sbalneav> Weird, eh?
[03:29] <sbalneav> ogra: Oh, one other thing.  Minor fix to the update-image.
[03:30] <sbalneav> it was failing for me because $CHROOT/etc/ltsp didn't exist, so I added a test/mkdir for it
[03:30] <ogra> oh, right
[03:31] <ogra> even though we should probably have that as "create-confdir" plugin in ltsp-build-client rather
[03:31] <sbalneav> Yeah, probably.
[03:32] <sbalneav> Oh, and there was an extra "/" on the end of the default BASE variable that was screwing things up
[03:32] <sbalneav> so I fixed that too.
[03:32] <sbalneav> So, thoughts on that login/logout bug?  You seeing that on your end?
[03:35] <ogra> no
[03:35] <ogra> i once had the bug where the ssh session wasnt killed properly
[03:35] <ogra> but that was in an early version and you fixed it long ago
[03:36] <sbalneav> Hm
[03:36] <sbalneav> Well, I'll poke around with it tonight.
[03:40] <sbalneav> ogra: poke, check pvt
[03:40] <ogra> hmm, am i not logged in ...
[03:40] <ogra> meh
[03:41] <ogra> do you see it now ?
[03:47] <erwin_cano> Hola a todos
[03:47] <erwin_cano> muy buenos dias
[04:40] <LaserJock> morning
[04:40] <ogra> hey hey
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:44] <LaserJock> I still don't know why the world isn't on Pacific time ;-)
[04:53] <jonkke> sorry my bad english, but have anyone got HP laserjet 1020 printer working in ltsp client?
[04:53] <jonkke> i read that i need to upload firmware first and then printing works, but i don't know how i can do it. printer is connected to client via USB cable
[04:57] <sbalneav> jonkke: Currently, we don't have any provision for printers that need firmware downloaded.
[04:57] <sbalneav> You'd have to code something up yourself.
[04:57] <jonkke> I was afraid of that :)
[04:58] <jonkke> like in hell i know how to code anything. i just need to wait for "official" solution
[04:58] <ogra> hmm, not sure that works with hplip ...
[04:59] <jonkke> how?
[05:00] <ogra> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html
[05:00] <ogra> suggests it sint :/
[05:00] <ogra> *isnt
[05:30] <viv> Hi, we have an edubuntu lab running on donated corporate scrap and a dell server at eden campus, serving a depressed rural community in Karatara near Knysna. Thanks to a donation, we can upgrade. Does anybody know of sources for suitable low cost PXE clients?
[05:31] <LaserJock> hmm, got any spare PIIIs around?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> viv, are you after replacing your whole clients or just eh NIC?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you can reburn the rom in the network cards you dont have to replace the clients
[05:32] <viv> I'm in South Africa. I would like to get a small box with a 400Mhz via or similar with mouse kbd and usb
[05:32] <viv> I romboot from cd on some machines
[05:32] <viv> The lab is currently on old P2 and P3 machines
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask netday.
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, but i cant offer anything past that *grin*
[05:33] <viv> Thanks. who is netday?
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a company who run in south africa. iirc funded by shuttleworth
[05:34] <ogra> how about ebay ... http://cgi.ebay.com/9-Compaq-Evo-T20-Thin-Clients-238362-001_W0QQitemZ160157008558QQihZ006QQcategoryZ11218QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:34] <ogra> you'll find various like these
[05:34] <viv> Suggestions are getting better - thanks ogra, keep them coming
[05:34] <ogra> 6 clients for $100 ...
[05:36] <ogra> well, thats just an example
[05:37] <ogra> just search for thin client at ebay ... you will find a lot for not much money
[05:38] <Nubae> hi there... I'm using samba+ldap to authenticate users, and its working great, but I'm confused with giving permissions to users... I assume using the smbldap-usermod command in the terminal is the way to do this, but I read there is a graphical tool, by idealx
[05:38] <Nubae> I can't find this webmin extension anywhere though, anyone got experience with this?
[05:39] <viv> Oh yes. Thanks for that idea. fine offer. Are there any really neat little units that you know of - like this link http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt2600.htm that work ok with edubuntu?
[05:40] <ogra> viv, very likely, yes
[05:40] <Nubae> idealx.org now goes to opentrust.com
[05:40] <Nubae> with no mention anywhere of smbldap-tools... is this now unsupported... does anyone know?
[05:41] <ogra> no idea, but doesnt swat have such functionallity ?
[05:41] <viv> Thanks - I'm off to do some more research. I'd like a South African supplier if possible.
[05:41] <Nubae> hmmm, dont think it integrates with ldap
[05:42] <Nubae> well, this was by far the easiest and fastest way to get every non thin client authenticating from the same source
[05:42] <Nubae> but now modifying existing entries seems complicated
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> pam ftw
[05:43] <Nubae> ?
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not a particularly helpful comment, but its my opinion
[05:44] <ogra> Nubae, edsadmin or lot are pretty good gui tools for ldap management ... not sure how good they integrate with samba here though
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless its freeradius, in which case its just plain anoying
[05:45] <Nubae> yeah I saw that in the blueprints for gutsy+1
[05:46] <Nubae> but this idealx, the makers of smbldap-tools had a webmin plugin, and neither idealx nor the plugin seem to be on the net anymore
[05:47] <ogra> well, webmin is dead since quite some time, isnt it ?
[05:47] <ogra> r did someone final ytake it over ?
[05:50] <Nubae> webmin seems pretty alive to me: www.webmin.com
[05:50] <stgraber> ogra: want any debian-installer testing on today daily ?
[05:50] <Nubae> daily updates
[05:51] <ogra> stgraber, any i can get :) but the iso is pretty oversized (/me shakes fist in openoffice direction)
[05:52] <ogra> stgraber, mkfifo is fixed, but i'm not sure yet that the in-target call of the script leaves enough output through to even read from the pipe and have anything showing up in the progress bar
[05:53] <stgraber> ogra: I do all testing on DVD+RW so that's not a problem
[05:54] <Nubae> I've read that automatix really breaks things, should I disable its use on my client systems?
[05:54] <ogra> if you have installed and used it you have already lost
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> *no one* should ever use it
[05:55] <ogra> right
[05:55] <ogra> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ for more background
[05:56] <Nubae> yeah read that... I havent installed it, but people here at the school I'm currently setting up, have asked for it
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, stand firm... *please*
[05:57] <Nubae> yeah I will... what about oxygen office?
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know it - cant comment
[05:58] <Nubae> just a bunch of extensions, clipart, templates, etc for OOo
[05:58] <Nubae> seems allright, but dont want problems :-)
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> got a link?
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> actually, dont bother
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> with my connection atm i wont load it for the next 15 min :S
[05:59] <Nubae> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=690864
[06:00] <Nubae> just text no pics ;-)
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *load
[06:01] <Nubae> hey, I sort of left it alone, cause I was having issues, but my dansguardian starts up saying it cant find the parent proxy, is that a known problem?
[06:01] <Nubae> and squid looks like its running, from processes at least
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> never seen that before
[06:01] <ogra> devs that have to call their products "Professional" always appear a bit suspect to me ...
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> what ubuntu are you running?
[06:02] <Nubae> edu feisty
[06:02] <Nubae> well, it was called open office premium before
[06:02] <Nubae> not that much of a change ;-)
[06:03] <ogra> yeah
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. my latest version is 6.06.1+updates.
[06:04] <Nubae> well, gonna leave it till I finish the hundred other tasks I have...
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, is dans running?
[06:08] <Nubae> I'm not really sure actually, it shows up in the processes
[06:08] <Nubae> but nothing is logging
[06:08] <Nubae> I'll show u the output:
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pastebin/email
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont flood the channel :)
[06:09] <Nubae> its just 3 lines
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, flood it :)
[06:09] <Nubae> sysadmin@mayserve:~/smbldap-installer$ sudo /etc/init.d/squid start
[06:09] <Nubae>  * Starting Squid HTTP proxy squid                                       [ OK ]
[06:09] <Nubae> sysadmin@mayserve:~/smbldap-installer$ sudo /etc/init.d/dansguardian start
[06:09] <Nubae>  * Starting DansGuardian dansguardian                                           Error connecting to parent proxy
[06:09] <Nubae>                                                                          [fail]
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats `ps aux |grep dans` give?
[06:11] <ogra> dans didnt start
[06:11] <ogra> did you change your config on either side ?
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont like to cut my nose off to spite my face :)
[06:13] <Nubae> either side? squid.conf and dansguardian.conf?
[06:13] <ogra> either of these, yes
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> or networking, for that matter
[06:14] <Nubae> not running now... but it has been in the past...  I set up dans with kaiser... so dont think that is the problem
[06:14] <ogra> either dans doesnt find squid or squid doesnt allow connections from dans
[06:14] <Nubae> maybe squid not allowing connections from dans...
[06:14] <Nubae> what should I look at for that?
[06:15] <Nubae> or u mean look at firewall
[06:15] <Nubae> btw... edsadmin is great :-) Was trying to use phpldapadmin before
[06:16] <Nubae> this is much much better
[06:16] <ogra> sbalneav, hmm, my recent fresh ltsp chroot has (none) as hostname by default
[06:16] <sbalneav> Hm!
[06:16] <ogra> and my mouse in virtualbx doesnt work :/
[06:16] <sbalneav> I rebuilt my chroot last night, and I'm handing out hostnames, and it was working.
[06:17] <sbalneav> I'll have to play around more.
[06:17] <sbalneav> Should just be the ip address.
[06:17] <ogra> i dont hand them out in dhcp
[06:17] <ogra> oh, you default to the ip ? thats a good idea :)
[06:18] <ogra> we can drop the ip from the ldm info line at the bottom then
[06:18] <ogra> if hostname is set the machine should be reachable by it ... if not you see the ip :)
[06:19] <ogra> ooooh
[06:19] <ogra> wait !
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, hm.
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, sorry, but i think i'm a bit drunk to answer any question properly :S
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might be helpful though :S
[06:21] <ogra> heh, using the right boot kernel makes the mouse work :)
[06:21] <Nubae> hehe drunk on a weekday? must have had a hard day
[06:21] <ogra> sbalneav, false alert
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:22] <ogra> sbalneav, it shows ltsp as name now
[06:24] <sbalneav> cool
[06:25] <ogra> whoops
[06:25] <ogra> where does the floppy come from ?
[06:25] <ogra> ah, wait, my old image had ltspfsd 4.3 :)
[06:25] <Nubae> sigh... access rights are totally not being parsed by ldap... If I add a user, it allows access to the thin clients... but changing the groups does nothing
[06:25] <ogra> great, so even ltspfs seems to work nicely here
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, no, i got a call today saying i start work next wed for a few weeks (with more if i dont stuff up), so its worth getting drunmk over :)
[06:27] <Nubae> wow great... linux work?
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. setting up etiher a debian or ubuntu server to replace a (rather long in tooth) freebsd server
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> it'll be a challenge at best :) but i'm looking forward to it - challanges are up ther eon my 'todo'
[06:29] <Nubae> ever worked with freebsd?
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i tried to install it abou 3 years ago (before i started on debian/ubuntu) and never got it to install properly
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i kept running out of inodes
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> such is the arogance of youth.
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> '5000 inodes, who the hell would use all of that? who cares what an inode is?'
[06:31] <Nubae> know a lot of sysadmins that swear by it
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think it finished installing *once*.
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know a few, the freebsd culture is interesting
[06:31] <Nubae> still, the times are a changing.... Linux is shinning brighter now
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm still not keen on Linux per se, but Debian only (realiistically) comes in linux variant
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> when hurd actually *works* i'll moving
[06:33] <Nubae> ok... so edsadmin + samba dont work
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, cant help with ldap
[06:35] <Nubae> was just a statement :-) but edsadmin does look so simple and easy to use
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh shit. its after 2am
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> um... 'oh blast'
[06:44] <ogra> sbalneav, so i wonder if we shouldnt submit all the LTSP_CLIENT patches i maintain in GNOME upstream ...
[06:45] <ogra> nautilus, gnome-vfs, gnome-power-manager, gnome-screensaver, NM since gutsy, fusa as well, gnome-users-admin
[06:47] <sbalneav> Shoot 'em along, see what they say!
[07:36] <moquist> LaserJock: didja install php5-mysql and have better luck?
[07:41] <joebob777as7> tanath, this morning. five mins ago I just ran update-manager update and it asked me to reboot and now i'm getting this
[07:41] <highvoltage> hey moquist and LaserJock
[07:41] <joebob777as7> the greeter application appears to be crashing. attempting to use a different one
[07:41] <joebob777as7> running gutsy
[07:41] <joebob777as7> can someone help?
[07:42] <LaserJock> moquist: one sec
[07:43] <joebob777as7> LaserJock, in two secs can you take a look at the issue i'm having?
[07:45] <joebob777as7> can someone in here pastebin their gutsy /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file?
[08:12] <stgraber> ogra: did you try edubuntu server i386 daily ? doesn't seem to boot here
[08:12] <ogra> no, i didnt
[08:12] <stgraber> argh, it boots on qemu
[08:13] <stgraber> maybe my DVD is finally dead (it's something like the 200th time I burn it :))
[08:14] <stgraber> it also work with qemu :)
[08:14] <stgraber> so that's my DVD reader which seems to be the problem (ubuntu feisty cd boots though)
[08:14] <ogra> hmm
[08:14] <ogra> USB ?
[08:14] <ogra> is a HUB involved ?
[08:14] <stgraber> nope, IDE
[08:15] <ogra> weird
[08:15] <stgraber> yes, and it directly fails. Usually when it can't read a CD/DVD it takes a while before giving up
[08:16] <LaserJock> moquist: \o/ it works
[08:24] <LaserJock> this is looking good
[08:25] <ogra> \o/
[08:50] <moquist> LaserJock: yay! What should we do about the deps? Obviously they're not working out that well right now...
[08:50] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:09] <ogra> for edubuntu its fine, we can make them edubuntu-server deps
[09:09] <LaserJock> I don't know why Debian wouldn't have an issue with that
[09:09] <ogra> i'm not sure we should divert to much from the debian deps ... all docs will be referring to "install php5-mysql" anyway i guess
[09:09] <ogra> in edubuntu we can rule it through seeds anyway
[09:09] <LaserJock> right
[09:09] <LaserJock> or at least moodle-standalone
[09:09] <LaserJock> maybe
[09:09] <ogra> yeah
[09:09] <LaserJock> although I'm not sure how to say postgresql|(mysql-server and php5-mysql)
[09:09] <ogra> not at all
[09:09] <ogra> php5-mysql | php5-postgresql, postgresql| mysql-server
[09:09] <ogra> well, in better order, but we should leave it like that
[09:09] <LaserJock> ah, right
[09:09] <ogra> i aslo think moodle-standalone is for hardy ...
[09:09] <ogra> we can do it through edubuntu-server for now ...
[09:09] <ogra> else we'll have to fight them through NEW
[09:09] <moquist> Yep. I agree.
[09:09] <moquist> What about moodle-mysql-standalone and moodle-postgresql-standalone for hardy?
[09:09] <ogra> yeah
[09:09] <ogra> i like it ...
[09:09] <ogra> the moodle package itself shouldnt differ to much from debians dep wise imho ... so all debain install docs will still be helpful
[09:09] <ogra> and we'll surprise the users with the super easy moodle-*-standalone packages in hardy :)
[09:09] <LaserJock> ahh, that sounds rockin'
[09:09] <ogra> yeah
[09:11] <moquist> I'll contact the upstream maintainer once our wwwconfigless package is in main.
[09:24] <LaserJock> ok, I think I'm gonna upload it
[09:29] <ogra> yeah, doit
[09:29] <ogra> !
[10:43] <racter> is there a wiki page or some other doc that would explain upgrading my server to gutsy?
[10:44] <sbalneav> There will be when gutsy's released
[10:49] <racter> :)
[11:59] <LaserJock> moquist, ogra: uploaded, btw


[05:54] <LinDol> any one who knows about 'Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME 16.10' in launchpad for ubiquity slideshow-ubuntu package?
[05:54] <LinDol> i think it was not updated til now
[05:54] <LinDol> for original script
[13:10] <LaserAllan> Is there anythign simliar to Winrar on linux?, i am looing for somethig that can handle fragmented archives, where youd basically dividede a 4 gig archive into lets say 100 smaller files
[13:10] <LaserAllan> I haven't found any applicaiton that handle that
[13:47] <jbicha> LaserAllan: I think you can do that with Archive Manager, installed by default
[13:49] <jbicha> hmm, those options are greyed out here
[15:55] <LaserAllan> jbicha: Yeah which is why i thought id ask because it is actually a feature that I use quite allot on Windows.
[15:55] <LaserAllan> I am trying to mvoe but so far I have only managed to move over my laptop that really has no reason to be on Windows but I am going to buy a Lenovo X1 Carbon 2017 laptop ebcause it seems to have really good drivers for Linux. Even the backlit works it seems
[16:00] <jbicha> you could try asking in #ubuntu since there's a lot more people there
[16:06] <LaserAllan> jbicha: I will
[16:06] <LaserAllan> Oh yeah speaking of which
[16:06] <LaserAllan> What will happen to this channel when ubuntu natively ships with GNOME?
[16:07] <LaserAllan> Then Ubuntu GNOME won't be needed anymore or am I wrong?
[16:14] <jbicha> we don't know what we're going to do with this IRC channel yet, it's too early! :)
[16:16] <LaserAllan> jbicha: I really hope this community will persists anyway
[16:16] <jbicha> I believe our community is just getting much larger!
[16:20] <LaserAllan> I really hope it is goign to go for the better now that Microsoft actualyl ahs embraced Linux it seems like it is going to get to the pont where hopefully Miacrosoft goes Linux with the next OS, since they have ported MSSQL and the net .net core will be antively for Linux so I dunno to be honest. It feels like a waste of 30 eyars that they are going to abanon the WIdnwos kernel and such but I dunno the linux kernel is to my knowledge allot
[16:20] <LaserAllan> more stable then Windows kernel is
[16:21] <jbicha> I've seen no evidence that Microsoft intends to drop the Windows kernel
[16:22] <LaserAllan> But they have said that Windows 10 wil lbe the last Windows operating system
[16:22] <jbicha> I don't know about that, but Windows 10 is a rolling release now
[16:22] <LaserAllan> Best would be if Linunx could obtain the same comaptibility as Windows has with software so it wouldn't matter which one you run at that point.
[16:22] <jbicha> and Windows 10 is a brand name sort of like OS X
[16:22] <LaserAllan> I am peronsally wondering why they put so much effort into making for example things work on linux.
[16:22] <LaserAllan> But it is mostly the server side they have cared about afaik
[16:23] <LaserAllan> I guess you have a point so maybe the next windows would be something Windows 10 Linxu update:D
[16:24] <LaserAllan> I personally would hope that I can in a few years use Linux on all my machines, this has sadly not been possibly currently beause of certain software nto beeing available on Linux. I have no idea if you can run a SIP client in WINE and how/if that is even possible to be stable
[16:24] <jbicha> the Creators Update released this week bumps Windows 10 to 10.2
[16:26] <LaserAllan> I guess you have a point there
[16:26] <LaserAllan> It's just a pity that so many rely on Windows, i workfor an ISP and we use Windows sadly
[16:27] <LaserAllan> I don't really have a choice, changing to Linux would be best but considering I am going to have to run a VM for certain things that are essential like communciation like skype for business and such I am kinda stuck, which is really damn sad to be hoenst with you
[20:35] <Eightynine> Dash to Dock doesn't work. https://pastebin.com/ven5Xc0K


[16:55]  * MichealH is here incase he forgets xD
[17:02] <MichealH> Uhhh
[17:02] <MichealH> AndrewMC: ping?
[17:03] <skfin> Not starting well
[17:04] <MichealH> :/
[17:05] <skfin> Nobody responding at -council
[17:05]  * MichealH boos :P
[17:06] <skfin> Yea. indeed
[17:06] <MichealH> I have a right to, They planned the nmeeting then do not show up :P
[17:06] <skfin> :D
[17:06] <MichealH> Yet, this is last minute me coming and I make it :D
[17:06] <skfin> kvarley: Thanks for appearing :)
[17:07] <kvarley> skfin: Thanks for the mention in the council, it notified me at least, sorry I'm late!
[17:07] <skfin> Yea, no problem
[17:07] <MichealH> kWe are waithing for AndrewMC or Zaxh
[17:07] <MichealH> *Zach
[17:07] <skfin> MichealH: I pinged them too
[17:08] <MichealH> They have like 1000 pings now
[17:08] <skfin> :D
[17:09] <skfin> Well, thats their problem, they planned this meeting to be held right now and they are not here
[17:11] <hakimsheriff> A team just started yesterday: Ubuntu-For-All, one of its goals is to make sure teams dont skip meetings, This team is on the list of teams to be followed
[17:11] <skfin> Haha.
[17:12] <skfin> They are solving a problem of skipped team meetings by creating an another team?
[17:12] <MichealH> That is lame, but good :P
[17:12] <hakimsheriff> thats just one of the things we will do
[17:12] <MichealH> <popey> 14:17:33 <+zkriesse> NOTICE --- MEETING WILL BE ON SCHEDULE BUT IF ZKRIESSE IS NOT AROUND WILL AndrewMC or Daniel0108 take charge until he returns..sick he is...so
[17:12] <MichealH> <popey> 14:17:41 <+zkriesse> THAT IS ALL
[17:12] <MichealH> <popey> 14:18:04 <+zkriesse> Any pings to this user will result in a NULL value...he is asleep...automated message
[17:12] <MichealH> <MichealH> Daniel0108: ping :P
[17:12] <hakimsheriff> many other things too
[17:13] <skfin> Okay.
[17:13] <hakimsheriff> so i uess +zkriesse isnt coming
[17:13] <popey> 17:12:12 < skfin> They are solving a problem of skipped team meetings by creating an another team?
[17:13] <popey> no
[17:14] <skfin> Its not our fault that there are no anyone to keep the chair
[17:14] <popey> anyone else in the team can step up and take the chair, assuming you have an agenda?
[17:14] <MichealH> Everyone on -council is asleep i guess
[17:14] <skfin> kvarley: ?
[17:14] <skfin> MichealH: Yea, I pinged them, anyone exept kvarley
[17:14] <MichealH> kvarley: Save our bacon!
[17:14] <kvarley> I'm here
[17:14] <hakimsheriff> finnaly!!!
[17:15] <hakimsheriff> someone shows up!!!
[17:15] <MichealH> kvarley: If you cannot thake the meeting I will
[17:15] <MichealH> *take
[17:15] <skfin> MichealH: You are not a member of council?
 anyone else in the team can step up and take the chair, assuming you have an agenda?
[17:16] <skfin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth/Meetings#General%20Agenda%20Items%20and%20Proposals
[17:17] <kvarley> !meeting
[17:17] <MichealH> kvarley: I know how to drive the wild MootBot, shall I do so?
[17:17] <kvarley> If you are present for this meeting please make your presence know. "0/" will do fine.
[17:18] <hakimsheriff> O/
[17:18] <skfin> o/
[17:18] <MichealH> kvarley: Okay, i shall drive the bot
[17:18] <MichealH> kvarley: We need it logged
[17:18] <MichealH> kvarley: +1?
[17:19] <kvarley> MichealH are you on the council?
[17:19] <MichealH> Or shall I give you a crash course? :P
[17:19] <MichealH> kvarley: Nope...
[17:19] <skfin> +1 for crash course
[17:19] <kvarley> MichealH - PM'ed
[17:20] <kvarley> #startmeeting
[17:20] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:20. The chair is kvarley.
[17:20] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:20] <kvarley> #TOPIC Welcoming message
[17:21] <MichealH> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth/Meetings#General%20Agenda%20Items%20and%20Proposals
[17:21] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuYouth/Meetings#General%20Agenda%20Items%20and%20Proposals
[17:21] <MichealH> kvarley:use [Topic]
[17:21] <kvarley> [TOPIC] Welcoming message
[17:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  Welcoming message
[17:21]  * MichealH likes this crash-course :P
[17:21] <kvarley> Welcome, all to the meeting
[17:22] <kvarley> The pre-arranged chairs/leaders of this meeting aren't here at this given time so I am trying to fill their place.
[17:22] <kvarley> [TOPIC] Topic 1 - Project(s) Status & Completion Dates
[17:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Topic 1 - Project(s) Status & Completion Dates
[17:22] <skfin> Welll...
[17:22] <skfin> I could talk about the planet
[17:22] <kvarley> Request A Status Update From Current Mentors.
[17:25] <skfin> Okay, does this make any sense? There are three people attending, we have a chair who dont know what to do, which is obvious, because nobody has taught him.
[17:25] <kvarley> [VOTE] Re-schedule this meeting for a different time where more members are present?
[17:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Re-schedule this meeting for a different time where more members are present?.
[17:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[17:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[17:25] <kvarley> +1
[17:25] <MootBot> +1 received from kvarley. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[17:25] <skfin> +1
[17:25] <MootBot> +1 received from skfin. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:25] <hakimsheriff> +0
[17:25] <MootBot> Abstention received from hakimsheriff. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[17:25] <MichealH> +1
[17:25] <MootBot> +1 received from MichealH. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[17:25] <kvarley> Ok, that's decided
[17:25] <kvarley> #endmeeting
[17:25] <MootBot> Vote is in progress. Finishing now.
[17:25] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 3
[17:25] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:25.
[17:25] <skfin> Rescheduling meetings is not ok, but what other could we do...
[17:26] <hakimsheriff> wow, thats why ubuntu for all is a good idea
[17:26] <skfin> Yea :S
[17:26] <skfin> hakimsheriff: But could we do something else rather than rescehduling the meeting?
[17:26] <skfin> I think no.
[17:29]  * MichealH goes back to his 120 emails
[17:29] <MichealH> Oh wow
[17:30] <MichealH> I have 10101 emails in total xD
[17:40] <skfin> MichealH: 21 mails?
[17:41] <skfin> Lol


[18:01] <AlanBell> IRC team meeting is now over in #ubuntu-meeting
[20:07] <cross> hey there
[20:08] <cross> guys, I'm noob :) ran "tasksel" to install tomcat and after that can't launch Ubuntu
[20:08] <cross> seems like I've removed Desktop env
[20:08] <Fuchs> cross: you should try the support channel, #ubuntu
[20:08] <cross> thanks for notice
[20:08] <Fuchs> you're welcome
[23:14] <Logan_> Why is #ubuntu+1 invite-only still?
[23:19] <m4v> Logan_: it will reopen in a week or so I guess.
[23:20] <Logan_> Meh, okay.