[00:27] <penguin42> bug 296538 is funny
[00:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 296538 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "warty-final-ubuntu.png is actually a jpeg (affects: 17) (dups: 3) (heat: 72)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296538
[00:28] <yofel> I think by now that's expected behaviour :P
[00:29] <penguin42> well, the unanswered question seems to be the one between Ken Wilmer and David Lowe at the end of 2008/start 2009
[00:30] <penguin42> Ken is saying the update process should be able to cope as of Jaunty
[01:03] <alucardni> Hello, I'm in process of triaging LP 618562, would somebody review this bug report and mark it as Triaged?? Thanks on advance
[01:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 618562 in debian (and 1 other project) "new package cgit (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/618562
[01:04] <micahg> alucardni: have you read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs
[01:04] <micahg> oh...I thought the instructions said to add to description...
[01:04] <micahg> alucardni: nm
[01:08] <alucardni> micahg: ok
[01:10] <micahg> alucardni: done, in general though, needs-packaging bugs can stay new
[01:11] <micahg> alucardni: but linking to the Debian ITP or RFP is always helpful, few packages actually end up being introduced in Ubuntu due to resource limitations
[01:12] <alucardni> micahg: ok, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks a lot.
[10:36] <grold> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/590829
[10:36] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 590829 in bash-completion (Ubuntu) "bash-completion fails to complete filenames with single quote (affects: 3) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,New]
[10:36] <grold> bug was filed against lucid and not reproduced in maverick
[10:36] <grold> shall we marked it fixed?
[10:42] <yofel> grold: yes, works fine in maverick here, please close as fix released
[10:43] <grold> and am I right for nominating it fo lucid?
[10:45] <yofel> yeah, but that will require someone to do a SRU https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[10:50] <grold> now, when I close this bug as fix released it not appears in list like: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion . how anyone will find this bug later?
[10:55] <grold> where it listed now? may be there are special pages like http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ where nominated (but not yet confirmed as SRU) bugs are collected?
[10:57] <yofel> actually I'm not sure myself where such bugs go
[13:28] <abhijit> hello :)
[13:33] <penguin42> hi
[13:38] <hggdh> hi penguin42
[16:02] <njin> pedro_: around?
[16:04] <pedro_> njin, hello, yes
[16:12] <charlie-tca> njin: I did confirm the 2 hdd bug last nite
[16:12] <njin> charlie-tca-good work, thanks
[16:18] <JFo> charlie-tca, you rock
[16:18] <JFo> just wanted to share that
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Thanks, JFo
[16:20] <charlie-tca> I just try to do help where I can
[16:21] <JFo> well, fwiw, I appreciate it :)
[16:22] <charlie-tca> That is what makes it worth it to me.
[16:54] <penguin42> does anyone understand bug 619135 ? I'm getting it on some packages but not others - is it a packaging mistake or a dpkg/apt problem?
[16:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619135 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Warnings in '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/***' while installing banshee (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619135
[16:54] <penguin42> (as of the last few days(
[16:59] <sinurge> !topic
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[17:06] <bilalakhtar> I've noticed that there are a few bugs that have both Lucid and Maverick statuses for a single package, like this one #595265 . How do I get it for my bug? as I need to track statuses for both lucid and maverick
[17:06] <micahg> bilalakhtar: nominate for release
[17:07] <bilalakhtar> micahg: that doesn't do it
[17:07] <bilalakhtar> micahg: let me give you an example
[17:07] <micahg> bilalakhtar: YOU can't do it :)
[17:07] <bilalakhtar> micahg: then who can?
[17:07] <micahg> bilalakhtar: a MOTU or core-dev needs to accept the nomination
[17:07] <bilalakhtar> micahg: ah, I got it. an ubuntu driver
[17:07]  * bilalakhtar wishes he was MOTU
[17:08] <bilalakhtar> thanks micahg
[17:08] <micahg> bilalakhtar: np
[17:13] <yofel> penguin42: I see that too, possibly caused by dpkg if I understand it correctly
[17:13] <yofel>   * Always print a massage on warning when parsing control files.
[17:13] <yofel>   * On database parsing only warn on bogus versions previously accepted,
[17:13] <yofel>     the other instances will keep producing errors, to avoid newly
[17:13] <yofel>     introduced bogosity. Closes: #590885, #590896, #591692, #591885
[17:16] <penguin42> yofel: So is that saying the warnings are valid because some packages are missing maintainer data?
[17:17] <yofel> I'm not sure, I only know it started recently
[17:17] <penguin42> yeh last few days
[17:17] <yofel> got this today: http://paste.ubuntu.com/479993/
[17:18] <penguin42> yeh I got it on a few today
[17:19] <penguin42> yofel: So my question is really is that bug 619135 valid and actually needs a similar one for every broken package (probably a bad idea?) ?
[17:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619135 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Warnings in '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/***' while installing banshee (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619135
[17:19] <yofel> not sure, jibel: do you know anything about this?
[17:28] <jibel> yofel, hello, corrupted device probably ? Asking for dmesg may help.
[17:37] <yofel> jibel: I just got http://paste.ubuntu.com/479999/ while installing updates, and no I don't have any ata or ext4 errors during that time
[17:38] <jibel> yofel,  hm, let me try that
[17:38] <penguin42> jibel: I'm also seeing it, as is one other on #ubuntu+1 and there's bug 619135
[17:38] <yofel> that's maverick btw.
[17:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619135 in banshee (Ubuntu) "Warnings in '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/***' while installing banshee (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619135
[17:38] <jibel> yofel, what's your version of dpkg ?
[17:39] <yofel>   Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1
[17:39] <penguin42> same here
[17:43] <jibel> I can't reproduce with libcanberra-dev, trying banshee.
[17:44] <penguin42> saw it earlier with mc and a few others
[17:49] <jibel> yofel, from dpkg (<IP_ADDRESS>)  "  * Always print a massage on warning when parsing control files.", published 2 days ago.
[17:50] <yofel> that's what I suspect too, but I don't really understand what that means, as the control files seem fine from what I see
[17:52] <jibel> 1mn, let me try something (if not back in 2 minutes, I broke my system)
[17:57] <penguin42> guess it's broke then :-)
[17:57] <jibel> Nope, I'm back.
[17:58] <jibel> Here is the content of /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0025 : http://paste.ubuntu.com/480010/
[18:01] <penguin42> where does that come from?
[18:03] <jibel> dpkg unpacks the control files to /var/lib/dpkg/updates when processing a package, a delete the files once it's done.
[18:03] <jibel> That's the mechanism that helps to manage transactions and keep the system consistent even when the upgrade is interrupted.
[18:04] <jibel> when you see 'please run dpkg --configure -a' then this directory is probably not empty.
[18:04] <penguin42> how did you extract that file - did you get dpkg not to remove it or something?
[18:05] <ashams> simar: I'm here! :)
[18:06] <jibel> penguin42, pkill -9 -f dpkg while it's running
[18:07] <penguin42> haha ok
[18:07] <jibel> penguin42, yofel, unless there's really a problem with the packaging of banshee, dpkg is probably a bit verbose here.
[18:07] <penguin42> jibel: That's what we're trying to figure out, it's lots of packages doing it - is it dpkg being verbose suddenly or is it actually something dumb in lots of packages
[18:08] <yofel> well, according to dpkg-deb -f the control files of the packages it warnes about look fine :/
[18:09] <yofel> just got 'warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0025' near line 6 package 'banshee': missing maintainer' while installing banshee
[18:09] <yofel> dpkg-deb -f /var/cache/apt/archives/banshee_1.7.3-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/480016/
[18:10] <penguin42> jibel: Are those files in updates directly from the package? They don't look like the control file itself
[18:10] <penguin42> jibel: It looks like they're temporary files generated as it's awaiting other packages to do something
[18:10] <yofel> I would guess it's the template for the /var/lib/dpkg/status section
[18:12] <yofel> but the banshee section there looks fine too, or does dpkg try to unpack the control file, messes up and retries until it gets a working one o.O?
[18:13] <penguin42> yofel: Well the ones that are complaining for me don't have a maintainer entry - the original control file does, but those aren't the control file
[18:14] <jibel> penguin42, yes, those files tracks the transaction, I think that the warning is wrong but that's the limit of my knowledge of dpkg, I asked cjwatson if he knows what that warning is.
[18:16] <penguin42> jibel: My guess is something is checking control files; but applying the same check to these temporary files that have almost the same format - but I don't know anything about the internals of dpkg
[18:16] <jibel> however, as a triager, you should add a task for dpkg, paste the output of pastebin (file 0025) add an information to explain it started with the latest version and set it to triage.
[18:19] <jibel> penguin42, yeah, understanding the internals of dpkg takes some time. And it's very frustrating when you ask a guru about and he has the answer in a few seconds. So, triage it, and let see what his opinion.
[18:21] <penguin42> jibel: Yeh my problem was trying to understand whether dpkg was validly complaining and hence it really was a banshee bug or whether it was a dpkg bug, but it is sounding like a dpkg one from those intermediaries
[18:22] <penguin42> jibel: So you think the right thing is to move that one to dpkg from banshee and comment?
[18:24] <jibel> penguin42, until we are sure it's a dpkg issue, I would keep the banshee task opened (in case there's really something with banshee's control file) and open a new task for dpkg.
[18:24] <penguin42> jibel: Can you explain what you mean by opening a new task - do you mean a separate launchpad bug ?
[18:25] <jibel> penguin42, upstream may have strengthen the policy in dpkg which may need a fix in the control file, and it's complaining about it.
[18:25] <jibel> penguin42, to open a task, click on 'Also affects distribution'
[18:26] <penguin42> jibel: Ah ok, and then just still ubuntu and package dpkg ?
[18:26] <jibel> penguin42, leave 'Ubuntu' as distribution and set package to 'dpkg'
[18:26] <penguin42> ok
[18:27] <jibel> If that's really dpkg becoming suddenly overly verbose, we'll probably receive many reports of that kind in the next few days.
[18:28] <penguin42> jibel: Indeed
[18:28] <penguin42> jibel: OK, added dpkg task and added comment with an example of one of the temporary files
[18:28] <jibel> penguin42, so choose one as master and set the new reports as duplicates and that will confirm that it is a dpkg issue.
[18:29] <jibel> penguin42, many thanks for your help.
[18:29] <penguin42> jibel: And yours - so if I find any others I'll just dupe them to 619135 - does it need tagging in any way?
[18:31] <jibel> penguin42, no specific tagging for that case. .
[18:31] <penguin42> ok
[18:48] <ashams> simar: I'll be waiting till 18:00 UTC....
[18:50] <yofel> ashams: any questions we could help with?
[18:50] <ashams> yofel: no thank you yofel, I'm just waiting for my mentor.
[20:05] <MichealH> Do 100 Papercuts Bugs need traging?
[20:05] <MichealH> *triaging?
[20:09] <MichealH> Anyone?
[20:10] <charlie-tca> We don't touch them
[20:10] <charlie-tca> vish will look at them, usually
[20:11] <vish> MichealH: hey , wassup?
[20:11] <micahg> MichealH: that's a separate project, vish can fill you in
[20:12] <MichealH> vish, Is it okay for me to go throught the process of traiging 100 papercut bugs or helping triage them?
[20:12] <vish> hmm , just a couple of weeks ago, i had brought down the number of new bugs to 10.. now its back to 40 :s
[20:12] <MichealH> vish I can help you if you wnat
[20:12] <vish> MichealH: yeah, sure feel free to triage..
[20:13] <MichealH> vish: I dont have them privelages
[20:13] <MichealH> Can I look around and give you bug numbers
[20:13] <vish> sure.
[20:14] <vish> MichealH: do note that not all bugs are papercuts, some of the bugs need design and thought, so some i just wait for a clear mind :)
[20:14] <MichealH> Okay
[20:15] <vish> MichealH: for starters have a quick read of the wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut
[20:17] <vish> MichealH: if you can fix any of the bugs, feel free to do so too.. :D
[20:17] <MichealH> Yeah
[20:19] <MichealH> vish: Could https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/597464 be classed as a bug to triage in this case?
[20:19] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 597464 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "NetworkManager "connected" message is "masked" by other notifications (affects: 2) (heat: 69)" [Undecided,New]
[20:20] <vish> MichealH: yeah, i'v not able to reproduce that one..  iirc we fixed that last cycle
[20:20] <MichealH> Okay
[20:20] <vish> i mean in Lucid.
[20:20] <MichealH> So It cant be triaged
[20:20] <MichealH> Becuase it is fixed
[20:21] <MichealH> Should I put "Fix Released" on them?
[20:21] <vish> MichealH: we assigned priorities for those notifications and they are supposed to be fixed..
[20:21] <vish> MichealH: but i actually havent tested it yet..  my system connects before other notifications..
[20:21] <MichealH> Okay
[20:22] <MichealH> Mine too :P
[20:22] <vish> MichealH: so i dont have a test case to say it is fixed.. would be great if someone had an idea for that :)
[20:22] <MichealH> What about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/596717
[20:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 596717 in xcursor-themes (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Whiteglass "busy" cursor is not aligned properly (affects: 2) (heat: 66)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:23] <MichealH> I havent confirmed in 100Papercuts yet
[20:23] <MichealH> But is that what we are looking for?
[20:24] <vish> MichealH: heh , yeah.. such is our dilemma often .. :D
[20:24] <MichealH> So should I get it ready for Triaging?
[20:25] <vish> MichealH: we can leave it as confirmed for now.. we dont yet know if it is trivially fixable
[20:25] <vish> but it should be..
[20:25] <MichealH> So its a no for that one
[20:27] <MichealH> What about https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/618723
[20:27] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 618723 in update-manager (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Rename Update Manager to Software Updater (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,New]
[20:27] <MichealH> That can be fixed easily
[20:27] <vish> MichealH: i filed that one :D , devildante is working on it..
[20:27] <MichealH> :/
[20:28] <MichealH> He isnt assigned
[20:29] <MichealH> vish: I know this one is a good one https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/619532
[20:29] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619532 in hundredpapercuts "Password discountinuity (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[20:30] <MichealH> Shall We get to triage this?
[20:30]  * vish looks , oh a new one!
[20:31] <MichealH> Me has dont he Confirmation
[20:31] <MichealH> *done
[20:31] <MichealH> *the
[20:32] <MichealH> Now, Its ready to triage! :)
[20:34] <vish> MichealH: cool! , now we open an Ubuntu task for the bug, and forward it upstream too.
[20:35] <MichealH> How do we do that?
[20:35] <vish> MichealH: select the "Also affects distribution"
[21:27] <vish> kamusin: no! it hasnt been applied ;)
[21:28]  * vish hopes kamusin is confused :D
[21:28] <kamusin> virtuald, heh I think so
[21:28] <kamusin> vish,
[21:29] <vish> kamusin: banshee .. ;)
[21:29] <vish> kamusin: they still havent merged that browser branch
[21:32] <kamusin> vish, heh.. I did a quickly search in banshee source included in Maverick and I can't found nothing too .. so that confirm my suspicion :)
[21:34] <vish> kamusin:  ... btw, use your @ubuntu id in bgo ;)
[21:35] <MichealH> vish: Found a bug tracker yet?
[21:35] <kamusin> right! I always forgot it :$ heh
[21:36] <vish> MichealH: you are the triager.. not me :)
[21:46]  * vish sleeps.. 2am here
[21:46] <MichealH> vish: I found http://debbugs.gnu.org/
[21:46] <MichealH> vish: Please look before sleeping
[21:47] <MichealH> Please
[21:47] <vish> MichealH: i dont think thats the one.. its somewhere in here http://alioth.debian.org/projects/adduser/  ..
[21:48] <micahg> vish: what are you looking for a tracker for?
[21:48] <vish> micahg: adduser
[21:51] <micahg> vish: Debian BTS
[21:52] <vish> micahg: ah cool!
[21:52] <vish> MichealH: ^^ just send a mail to the debian BTS , its easy no registration required
[21:52] <MichealH> vish: So we can file a report there and get this over and done with
[21:52] <vish> MichealH: yup
[21:53] <micahg> MichealH: reportbug -Bdebian is good for reporting to the BTS
[21:53] <MichealH> Shall I just copy and paste from Launchpad
[21:53] <MichealH> micahg: If I was on Ubuntu :/
[21:53] <MichealH> I am on Windows
[21:53] <vish> micahg: we dont have reportbug by default ;)
[21:53] <MichealH> vish: Shall I just copy and paste from Launchpad
[21:53] <micahg> vish: that's easy enough to install for triagers
[21:54] <vish> micahg: +1 , though MichealH seems to be in a hurry
[21:55] <MichealH> Whats the Version of adduser currently?
[21:56] <vish> MichealH: hmm , how did you test the bug, if you are in Windows?
[21:57] <MichealH> I had encounted it before a few days ago
[21:57] <vish> :/
[21:58] <vish> anyways..
[21:58]  * vish sleeps
[21:58] <MichealH> vish: Wait!
[21:58] <MichealH> Im done reporting the bug!
[21:59] <MichealH> micahg: Can you help?
[21:59] <micahg> MichealH: with?
[22:00] <MichealH> Triaging this bug
[22:00] <MichealH> I just need to upload upstream as vish said then Im done
[22:00] <micahg> MichealH: what bug?
[22:00] <MichealH> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/adduser/+bug/619532
[22:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619532 in adduser (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Allow user to set preferred password (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:01] <MichealH> How do I upload upstream
[22:01] <micahg> MichealH: where's the upstream bug
[22:01] <MichealH> It is getting uploaded
[22:01] <micahg> MichealH: also affects distribution
[22:01] <vish> MichealH: i would really consider this very bad triaging, what if i had not checked the bug and just gone by your "confirmed"?
[22:02] <MichealH> vish: Sorry.
[22:02] <vish> MichealH: always really confirm the bug when you are triaging, not from past memory
[22:02] <MichealH> Okay
[22:02]  * micahg has a feeling it'll be closed Won't Fix
[22:03] <vish> micahg: probably..
[22:03] <MichealH> vish: Its not letting me add a url to the reported bug elsewhere :/
[22:03] <micahg> MichealH: I told you how to add it, the upstream project in LP is not correct
[22:04] <vish> MichealH: use "also affect distribution"
[22:04] <micahg> also, why is this bug in adduser?
[22:04] <micahg> you change a password with passwd
[22:04] <MichealH> me and vish decided upon it
[22:04] <micahg> vish: :P
[22:04] <vish> micahg: thats the closet i could get and hence asked seb-128 as well
[22:05] <micahg> vish: seb said to put it in adduser?
[22:05] <vish> micahg: he didnt know either
[22:05] <micahg> vish: well, one question missing is how is the user changing the password?
[22:06] <vish> micahg: there is password : "change..."
[22:06] <micahg> vish: is it through passwd on the console or through the GUI...
[22:07] <vish> micahg: gui
[22:07] <micahg> vish: how do you know?
[22:07] <vish> micahg: thats when the prompt occurs :)
[22:08] <MichealH> I cant access the url of the bug I sent D:
[22:08] <micahg> vish: it occurs on teh console as well...
[22:08] <vish> doh! my bad
[22:09] <vish> micahg: so its a bug in passwd?
[22:10] <micahg> vish: yes, the bug should be in shadow source
[22:10] <micahg> and the bug in the BTS should be moved
[22:10] <vish> MichealH: ^^
[22:10]  * vish really sleeps now! 02:45!
[22:10] <MichealH> How do I do that?
[22:11]  * hggdh thinks this is related to pam
[22:11] <hggdh> :-)
[22:12] <micahg> hggdh: could be, but passwd is definitely better than adduser :)
[22:12] <vish> ah! hggdh !
[22:13] <MichealH> pam?
[22:13] <vish> hggdh: do note: MichealH tried to triage the bug without actually testing it now.. ;)
[22:14] <MichealH> Okay I have the link to the bug report
[22:14]  * micahg agrees with hggdh
[22:15] <micahg> move to pam, probably will be marked won't fix
[22:16] <MichealH> "
[22:16] <MichealH> Oops
[22:16] <MichealH> "Bug watches can not be added for Ubuntu, as it uses Launchpad as its official bug tracker. Alternatives are to add a watch for another project, or a comment containing a URL to the related bug report."
[22:16] <MichealH> I get that error
[22:16] <micahg> MichealH: you're doing something wrong then :0o
[22:16] <micahg> :)
[22:16] <hggdh> vish: dully noted
[22:16] <MichealH> It goes to Debian BTS for the bug URL
[22:16] <MichealH> I set the url to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593513
[22:16] <ubot2> Debian bug 593513 in adduser "Allow user to set preferred password" [Normal,Open]
[22:17] <micahg> MichealH: you need to set the distro to Debian :)
[22:17] <MichealH> Ahhhh
[22:17] <hggdh> I do remember seeing this some time ago, I just do not remember who is responsible
[22:18] <MichealH> Okay Now i think it needs the adduser changed (I dont know how) and then it can be triaged
[22:18] <MichealH> Can someone change the PackageName for me?
[22:18] <MichealH> *The Project name
[22:19]  * MichealH needs to sleep
[22:19] <MichealH> micahg: ^^
[22:19] <MichealH> Bye
[22:25] <hggdh> pam_login, it seems
[22:26] <micahg> hggdh: I moved it to libpam-runtime since that manages the default password options
[22:29] <MichealH> Has that been done yet?
[22:29] <MichealH> Micahg ^^
[22:29] <micahg> MichealH: yeah, you should've been notified
[22:29] <MichealH> Okay So it's triaged?
[22:30] <micahg> MichealH: yeah
[22:30] <MichealH> Thanks
[22:30]  * micahg would love to mark won't fix
[22:30] <MichealH> :D
[22:30] <MichealH> Why?
[22:30] <micahg> but will let Debian do it first :)
[22:30] <MichealH> Why Won't fix?
[22:31] <micahg> MichealH: someone can change it themself if they insist on being insecure
[22:31] <micahg> it might not be won't fix for Ubuntu but I can pretty much guess it will be for debian
[22:31] <MichealH> micahg ^^
[22:32] <MichealH> Okay
[22:33] <vish> oh!
[22:34] <micahg> vish: huh?
[22:34] <vish> micahg: it doesnt allow from GUI, it just says "User passwords must be longer than 6 characters and preferably formed by numbers, letters and special characters" and takes you back.. how are you being allowed to change?
[22:34] <micahg> vish: you can't it's the pam rules
[22:34] <micahg> vish: I said the console gives the same warning
[22:35] <yofel> yeah, but console gives the option to run 'sudo passwd' gui doesn't
[22:35] <vish> ah.. never tried the console
[22:35] <micahg> yofel: what's the difference
[22:35] <yofel> micahg: root user can set any password I think
[22:35] <vish> micahg: well , from a GUI there needs to be something similar as well..
[22:36] <micahg> yofel: yeah, you're correct root overrides PAM rules...
[22:36] <micahg> yofel: maybe that's a bug ;)
[22:37] <yofel> not sure, IIRC it's like that everywhere I tried, meaning ubuntu, debian and gentoo (can't remember suse)
[22:39] <micahg> well, that's also why console vs gui makes a difference
[22:40] <micahg> also can the users and groups  GUI change to anything like sudo passwd on the console?
[22:41] <yofel> not sure about gnome, in KDE it can't
[22:43] <micahg> right so it could be the bug was aimed at the wrong component still...
[22:43]  * micahg gives up on this
[22:50] <micahg> vish: bug 619532 still needs more information when you get up (main question is where is the user running into the issue since there are at least 3 places in the default install to do it that won't work and another that will)
[22:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619532 in pam (Debian) (and 3 other projects) "Allow user to set preferred password (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619532
[22:51] <hggdh> I would like to point out that what I think is needed is consistency. I would rather have such consistency on blocking *any* over-weak password, though
[22:52] <micahg> hggdh: well, my main issue is if root can override, than maybe the Users and Groups GUI which is run as sudo should have that option
[22:53] <micahg> in which case, there's no bug for Debian, but rather upstream gnoem
[22:53] <micahg> *gnoem
[22:53] <micahg> whatever...
[22:53] <vish> micahg: hehe , i never even knew there were 3 different ways.. pretty sure the user is trying from GUI.. papercut bugs are usually about the gui
[22:53]  * vish asks now!
[22:55] <micahg> vish: I might be wrong about the 3rd (I thought there's some type of change my password GUI), but there's Users and Groups and passwd from the console
[22:56] <vish> micahg: bug 619532 marked it incomplete :)
[22:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 619532 in pam (Debian) (and 3 other projects) "Allow user to set preferred password (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619532
[22:57]  * micahg marked Ubuntu task incomplete as well
[22:58]  * vish would have done that, but dint wanna change micahg's triaged :)
[22:58] <micahg> vish: also good to remind people when upstreaming to link to the LP bug
[22:59] <vish> micahg: hmm? didnt understand..
[22:59] <micahg> vish: add a link in the upstream bug (or use the appropriate bugzilla field if it exists) for the LP bug
[23:00] <vish> micahg: yeah thats exactly what i told MichealH, he was in a hurry to set the bug triaged..
[23:01] <vish> micahg: kept pinging me[PM] and he wouldnt even wait for me to ask someone what the right package was.. :/
[23:01] <micahg> vish: I think we're better off telling people to come back when they have more time in cases like this...the rushing caused everyone else to rush and now we upstreamed an incomplete bug
[23:01]  * micahg is at fault as well
[23:02] <vish> micahg: +1 , he probably wants to apply as soon as he has 5bugs set as triaged.. hence i pinged hggdh to note that he is doing a lot of wrong
[23:03] <vish> micahg: even the earlier bug the ubiquity bug he wanted to mark as triaged without testing
[23:03] <hggdh> vish: heh dully noted. I had already cleaned up some 10 bugs he was (mis)worked on...
[23:04] <hggdh> thanks to micahg, BTW, who pointed me to the bugs
[23:04] <vish> hggdh: oh neat! so people know :)
[23:05] <micahg> part of Bug Triage just like in medicine is keeping a cool head so mistakes aren't made
[23:06] <hggdh> :-) and remembering that, sometimes, it is better to Do Nothing
[23:07] <vish> :)
[23:08] <vish> i even had to explain to him that i have only set the papercut as triaged and that the ubuntu bug is not triaged, which is what is necessary for a BC application
[23:08] <vish> and that the ppc triaged does not count..
[23:08] <hggdh> although, frankly, I do not understand how one can triage bugs in Linux running under Windows (or any other O.S.)
[23:09] <vish> that totally pissed me off.. :/
[23:09] <micahg> VirtualBox
[23:09] <vish> i dont think he was using VB
[23:09] <penguin42> hggdh: Depends on the bug
[23:10] <micahg> vish: I know
[23:10] <hggdh> well. I do hope he RTFM... right now, if he applies... I will have no option but to decline
[23:10] <penguin42> hggdh: Obviously nothing timing or hardware related; but hey if it's application level it shouldn't make much odds
[23:10] <hggdh> penguin42: it may well be: if I have a stracktrace, all I (most probably) need is the code
[23:11] <hggdh> this was not the case this time, though
[23:11] <penguin42> hggdh: Well, that depends on the problem
[23:11] <penguin42> hggdh: A stack trace tells you what state it wound up in when it broke not how it got there
[23:11] <hggdh> penguin42: indeed, and this is why I qualified my response: "most probably"
[23:16] <vish> micahg: just saw the scrollback on the channel as well.. i have asked him here itself to open an upstream bug first :)
[23:16] <micahg> vish: yeah, not good
[23:40] <hggdh> well, OK, here he comes. I just approved his email to the bug-control ML
[23:42] <micahg> oh boy


[00:48] <ddecator> dang, XR2.0 isn't building..
[00:54] <LLStarks> yo
[00:54] <LLStarks> is there anything like palemoon for linux?
[00:55] <ddecator> i don't even know what palemoon is tbh
[00:56] <LLStarks> architecture optimized firefox
[01:10] <ddecator> note to self: XR 2.0 failed to build due to xulrunner-2.0-testsuite missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0*/components/libMyService.so)
[01:12] <ddecator> that's what i need to talk to micah about. right now though, dinner
[04:33] <ddecator> evenin' micahg
[04:33] <micahg> hi ddecator
[04:34] <ddecator> micahg: i pulled the latest XR 2.0 earlier and tried to build it. after updating two patches, it failed near the end due to a missing "libMyService.so" file
[04:35] <micahg> ddecator: what folder is it in?
[04:36] <ddecator> micahg: supposed to be in debian/tmp/usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0*/components/libMyService.so
[04:36] <ddecator> it was trying to build the testsuite
[04:37] <micahg> ddecator: see if the file is in the build directory
[04:37] <micahg> if not, drop it from the testuite.install file
[04:37] <ddecator> micahg: ok, thanks
[05:06] <ddecator> micahg: i've had to remove 3 things from the testsuite.install file so far, and it just failed from a fourth missing. does that seem right or do you think it's something upstream that is going to be fixed?
[05:08] <micahg> ddecator: what are the 4 files?
[05:10] <ddecator> libMyService.so, libtestdynamic.so, TestFactory, TestServMgr (might be more, those are just what i've run into so far)
[05:10] <ddecator> micahg: ^
[05:12] <micahg> ddecator: well, a lot of code was just merged, maybe that affected it
[05:12] <ddecator> micahg: so just comment them out for now?
[05:12] <micahg> ddecator: yeah
[05:12] <ddecator> micahg: k, will do
[05:17] <ddecator> that worked :)
[05:50] <ddecator> hm, they built but FF 4 is broken :(
[06:32] <micahg> ddecator: you might be missing some files on install
[06:33] <ddecator> micahg: any idea how i can tell?
[06:33] <micahg> ddecator: compare debian/tmp/ to debian/xulrunner-2.0/
[06:39] <ddecator> micahg: well some of the dirs are different, i'm guessing they aren't supposed to be exactly the same?
[06:40] <micahg> ddecator: some of the files are installed in Firefox, but most are installed in xulrunner
[06:40]  * micahg needs to make Firefox all in one
[06:41] <ddecator> micahg: well i'm not really sure what differences i should be looking for tbh. debian/tmp/ has more files than debian/xulrunner-2.0/
[06:41] <micahg> ddecator: check components for new fils
[06:41] <micahg> *files
[06:42] <ddecator> micahg: aha
[06:46] <ddecator> micahg: 11 items in /tmp that aren't in /xulrunner-2.0
[06:47] <micahg> ddecator: how many of those are in firefox-4.0
[06:49] <ddecator> micahg: i don't see any of them in the components for firefox-4.0
[06:54] <micahg> ddecator: it's components that are missing?
[06:56] <ddecator> micahg: there are 11 files in debian/tmp/usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0b2pre/components that aren't in debian/xulrunner-2.0/usr/lib/xulrunner-2.0b2pre/components or in debian/firefox-4.0/usr/lib/firefox-4.0b2pre/components
[06:57] <micahg> ddecator: k, what files?
[07:00] <ddecator> micahg: httpd.js, httpd.manifest, libmozgnome.so, libnkgnomevfs.so, libxpcomsample.so, nsSample.js, nsSample.manifest, reftest-cmdline.js, reftest-cmdline.manifest, tp-cmdline.js, tp-cmdline.manifest
[07:01] <micahg> ddecator: the .js files are installed w/Firefox
[07:01] <ddecator> micahg: ok
[07:01] <micahg> ddecator: libmozgnome.so, libnkgnomevfs.so, are in xul-gnome-support
[07:02] <ddecator> micahg: ah, that makes sense
[07:03] <micahg> nsSample.js is in the testsuite, and the .manifest version should go in tehre as well
[07:03] <micahg> ddecator: same for reftest and tp -cmdline
[07:04] <ddecator> micahg: so everything is accounted for..
[07:04] <micahg> ah, same for httpd
[07:04] <micahg> ddecator: well, the .manifest files are missing in the tesuite
[07:04] <micahg> *testsuite
[07:05] <ddecator> micahg: oh, i thought you meant those were included. i can add those, but i don't have the testsuite installed anyway :(
[07:05] <micahg> ddecator: right, but it tries to build it, doesn't it
[07:06] <ddecator> micahg: right
[07:07]  * micahg just had to create a local stock reply for pre-karmic apport crash creatio
[07:11] <ddecator> micahg: alright, i added those .manifest files to the testsuite.install
[07:12] <micahg> ddecator: so it should work now :)
[07:12] <ddecator> micahg: ...wait what?
[07:12] <micahg> ddecator: oh, right, FF wasn't working
[07:13] <micahg> ddecator: check the firefox install for missing manifest files
[07:13] <ddecator> micahg: haha, alright
[07:14] <ddecator> micahg: hm, browser.manifest sounds important :p
[07:14] <micahg> heh
[07:14]  * micahg had a build in a PPA that was waiting for 30 hrs
[07:16] <ddecator> micahg: the firefox-4.0.install file uses wildcards to install all *.js and all *.xpt files, should i just add one to install all *.manifest files?
[07:17] <micahg> ddecator: do they all match .js files?
[07:18] <ddecator> micahg: right now, browser.manifest is the only one
[07:18] <micahg> ddecator: k, then go for it
[07:18] <ddecator> micahg: sure thing. and are the builders backed up that bad?
[07:19] <micahg> ddecator: archive rebuild in progress
[07:19] <ddecator> micahg: oooooh
[07:20]  * ddecator is rebuilding XR and FF
[07:20] <micahg> ddecator: I needed to test build gjs as pbuilder doesn't like me ATM
[07:21] <ddecator> micahg: still having trouble with it not pulling from the right places?
[07:21] <micahg> ddecator: it's not pulling -security updates
[07:21] <ddecator> micahg: ah, right
[07:21] <micahg> or even -updates
[07:21] <ddecator> i don't use pbuilder, so i have no idea why it wouldn't :/
[08:18] <ddecator> micahg: broke some of my add-ons, but it's working now :)
[08:31] <ddecator> micahg: alright, pushed to lp. i'm guessing i'll have to reformat some things (commits, etc.) but it's all up-to-date, just fyi
[08:33] <micahg> ddecator: k, I'll have a look
[09:22] <micahg> ddecator: I'll have to review tomorrow as I'm going to sleep soon
[09:22] <micahg> ddecator: or rather later today :0
[09:22] <micahg> :)
[19:20] <ddecator> micahg: no problem, that's what i figured :)


[19:50] <tarzeau> is #snappy or #snapcraft to ask for help with snap development?
[21:12] <tarzeau> ah found the answer: it is #snappy 1 for snapd, Ubuntu Core, snap issues and everything around it and #snapcraft 2 for snapcraft itself and packaging discussion …


[01:33] <RAOF> In today's fun compiler-bug feature, clang-3.5 doesn't correctly destroy cross-thread capture-by-copy variables in lambdas!
[06:56] <duflu> ping mlankhorst
[07:24] <mlankhorst> pong
[07:33] <RAOF>  Would you prefer Factory? :)
[07:46] <anpok> good morning mir
[08:37] <mlankhorst> also good morning
[09:01] <mlankhorst> duflu: ?
[09:02] <duflu> mlankhorst: I've found a situation where drmModePageFlip never completes. Is that allowed?
[09:02] <mlankhorst> when, exactly?
[09:03] <duflu> mlankhorst: Schedule page flip (but don't wait), put screen to sleep
[09:03] <duflu> It might be coming on wakeup, but Mir crashes before then :P
[09:04] <duflu> Hmm, it was a while ago. Let me retest
[09:04] <mlankhorst> hm interesting, never checked that. :P
[09:04] <mlankhorst> i guess it might depend on the driver
[09:04] <duflu> mlankhorst: Yes, twas intel
[09:05] <mlankhorst> did you write a testcase? I can make one probably
[09:05] <mlankhorst> would need the arguments to drmModePageFlip though
[09:09] <duflu> mlankhorst: I need to retest to refresh my memory. I got distracted since the ping
[09:36] <mlankhorst> :/
[10:24] <duflu> alf_: You did overlapping DisplayBuffer construction/destruction to minimize visual interruption on config changes, right?
[10:28] <alf_> duflu: How do you mean overlapping?
[10:29] <duflu> alf_: When we do config changes... the old DisplayBuffers still exist when the new ones are constructed. So for a while you have 2 DisplayBuffers pointing to each CRTC
[10:29] <duflu> .. which is safe right now. But not for my future changes
[10:31] <alf_> duflu: I don't remember exactly now, but I think I had a problem when deleting the existing display buffers first, but this was in the first steps so it may not be a problem still
[10:32] <duflu> alf_: Yes deleting the old ones first solves my problem. But the "black screen pause" during config changes is much longer
[10:34]  * mlankhorst pokes duflu again
[10:34] <duflu> mlankhorst: Looking more like it might be a Mir bug. I won't bother you again till I'm more sure
[10:34] <mlankhorst> okay
[10:34] <mlankhorst> I thought as much :)
[10:40] <duflu> alf_: Whether intentional or not, overlapping the new and old DisplayBuffers seems useful. It makes mode changes appear more instantaneous with much less black screen time.
[10:40] <duflu> I will try to keep it that way
[10:41] <duflu> Although it would be nice if mesa::Display was smarter and didn't reconstruct DisplayBuffers at all
[10:41] <duflu> That would require more work
[10:45] <duflu> Awesome. After all that I achieved a two-line fix today. But at least it's fixed
[11:12] <Saviq> hey folks, do you have some machinery to generate the commit message for merging from devel to trunk?
[11:12] <Saviq> as we're looking at lp:unity8/devel for the new release process :/
[11:15] <alan_g> Saviq: duflu and kgunn are the guys to ask. I think kgunn had a script - but I'm not sure it's bug free.
[11:15] <Saviq> alan_g, thanks ;)
[11:16]  * alan_g lost interest the Nth time the process changed
[11:37] <alan_g> anpok: alf_ any opinions on how to implement parse_name() in https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/some-tidy-up-of-config-options/+merge/203384?
[11:54] <anpok> hm
[11:55] <anpok> {name.begin(), name.find_first_of(',')}
[11:55] <anpok> but then name or begin as it is called now, needs to be a string
[11:56] <alan_g> yes
[11:56] <anpok> first time I saw strcspn
[11:57] <alan_g> That's why I'm unconvinced it is clearer
[11:59] <anpok> so even with two methods and the short puzzler of substr kdbus proposal is faster to read
[11:59] <anpok> for the average mir code digester
[12:04]  * alan_g had to look up what substr(0, std::string::npos) does - the string functions are a minefield of strange indexing rules
[12:05] <alan_g> But if everyone else thinks it clearer I guess we'll do it hte consensus way
[12:11] <anpok> hm i am not everyone :)
[12:14] <alan_g> Well put your opinion in a review and I'll tally the votes
[15:04] <alf_> alan_g: Setting a new function for mir_connect_impl for a test will affect all tests that follow too, right?
[15:06] <alan_g> alf_: I seem to remember some mechanism to reset it. (But not any detail)
[15:07] <alf_> alan_g: ok, thanks, I will take a deeper look
[15:46] <ricmm> do you guys know
[15:46] <ricmm> if there is some kind of timeout
[15:46] <ricmm> for session authorization?
[15:46] <kgunn> alan_g: ^ ricmm 's query
[15:47] <alan_g> not in Mir
[15:47] <alan_g> ricmm: ^
[15:48] <ricmm> ok
[15:48] <ricmm> thanks
[19:59] <kdub_> do we have a place for code shared between the tests and the examples?


[09:15] <lool> win 35
[09:15] <lool> ups
[15:44] <n3rd_dude> hello, I've got lubuntu running on a marsboard (Allwinner A10) and I have the option to update 12.04 to 14.04
[15:44] <n3rd_dude> should I proceed?
[15:45] <n3rd_dude> the reason I'm considering this is, a couple of issues like gpu driver and the fact that I use archlinux with newer tools, will updating be worth it?
[15:45] <n3rd_dude> will it even work?


[15:03] <charlie-tca> bug 808009 for Xubuntu alternate images failing to install today
[15:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 808009 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "libindicator6 : Breaks: libindicator3 (<= 0.3.90-0ubuntu1) but 0.3.22-0ubuntu2 is to be installed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808009
[21:03] <kidsodateless> 04


[09:33] <KeithW> wgrant: Sigh. Okay, thanks. I guess we're just pretty nervous about trying to recreate the recipes that have worked since 2012 and not accidentally push a version number that compares > the packages in Ubuntu universe or what we want to be publishing.
[09:36] <wgrant> KeithW: You'll definitely want to check the version templates carefully before you push to a PPA that people use, indeed.
[10:21] <LocutusOfBorg> hello, are amd64 and i386 having a sad day or not? looks like queues are increasing a lot...
[15:05] <LocutusOfBorg> ping wrt the above sentence ^^
[15:16] <pappacena> Sorry. Let me check.
[15:23] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks!
[16:10] <pappacena> LocutusOfBorg: just to keep you posted, the builders are indeed not happy. We are dealing with the situation here...
[16:20] <pappacena> LocutusOfBorg: should be better now. The queue size seems to be reducing.
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks :)
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> just for curiosity, is this build still progressing or is stuck? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vtk7/7.1.1+dfsg2-4ubuntu4/+build/19490893
[16:21] <LocutusOfBorg> I would prefer to not retry it, because for unrelated reasons it won't build anymore
[16:28] <pappacena> uhm. It's a risc-v... maybe wgrant could help here, but its running for a couple of days already, and the log doesn't seems to be changing. It seems to be stuck...
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, no changes since this morning
[16:29] <LocutusOfBorg> and usually it takes less than one day


[00:09] <charlie-tca> been a while since I installed edubuntu.
[00:10] <fader_> It boots really, really fast though
[00:10] <fader_> :)
[00:19] <stgraber> fader_: and Ubuntu worked fine on that same hardware ?
[00:19] <stgraber> (we don't do anything fancy with the gnome session, so it should be pretty much identical to ubuntu's)
[00:19] <stgraber> my current guess is that the session tried to start unity and failed, that results in exactly what you described
[00:20] <stgraber> as in, no gnome-panel because it's a unity desktop and just nautilus because compiz crashed
[00:21] <stgraber> though that's hardware dependent, not distro/desktop dependent so if on that box you only have the issue with edubuntu, then it's very weird
[00:24] <fader_> stgraber: Ubuntu live session did bring up the panel (though it tried to go to unity and failed first)
[00:24] <fader_> I'll test it again in a moment to be sure
[00:24] <fader_> Maybe it's a DVD thing
[00:27] <fader_> stgraber: On the other hand I seem to always manage to have bugs that nobody else can reproduce :P
[00:27] <fader_> Ask cjwatson what I did to him right before the maverick release :P
[00:28] <charlie-tca> +1 for fader_ having stranger issues than other people
[00:28] <fader_> charlie-tca: Hey, leave my personal life out of this :P
[00:29] <charlie-tca> fader_, did you try choosing classic session?
[00:29]  * charlie-tca couldn't resist
[00:29] <fader_> charlie-tca: On the Ubuntu CD yes
[00:29] <charlie-tca> On edubuntu?
[00:29] <fader_> On edubuntu it should be the default I think
[00:29] <fader_> But happily I still have that VM lying around, hang on :)
[00:30] <charlie-tca> sounds like it defaults to unity
[00:30] <fader_> charlie-tca: Good call!
[00:31] <charlie-tca> Unity doesn't havee fallback until alpha2
[00:32] <fader_> Er, this is weird though -- both the 'desktop' and 'classic' sessions exec the same thing
[00:32] <stgraber> fader_: Edubuntu ships with unity
[00:32] <fader_> Exec=gnome-session
[00:32] <charlie-tca> crap
[00:32] <charlie-tca> I can't reproduce my but
[00:33] <fader_> stgraber: Hmm, it's still listed as an option in the installer
[00:33] <charlie-tca> s/but/bug
[00:33] <stgraber> fader_: yeah, I didn't update the installer :)
[00:33] <fader_> charlie-tca: The encrypted install worked this time?
[00:33] <fader_> stgraber: Hah!  You are trying to trick me!
[00:33] <charlie-tca> lol
[00:33]  * fader_ goes to mark his bug as invalid.
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Guess I will try it one more time to make sure
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I put the ati card back in. Maybe I just caught it between updates somehow
[00:35] <charlie-tca> It worked perfect this time
[00:37] <fader_> charlie-tca: It's probably my fault... I jinxed you
[00:38] <charlie-tca> Seems so :-)
[00:38] <charlie-tca> I can always reproduce my bugs
[00:42] <charlie-tca> Running the encrypted install again ;-)
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Got to be possible I just have really bad timing today
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Hello, cprofitt
[00:51] <charlie-tca> testing is happening
[00:51] <cprofitt> hey charlie-tca
[00:51] <cprofitt> I saw...
[00:51] <cprofitt> I have to get that started...
[00:52] <cprofitt> tomorrow night is my target
[00:52] <cprofitt> tonight is not a good night
[00:52] <charlie-tca> you can say that again
[00:52] <charlie-tca> I got a major fail the first test, and can't seem to reproduce
[00:53] <charlie-tca> but, it is fader_ 's fault ;-)
[00:54] <fader_> Think of how much faster ISO testing would go if I'd stop doing it :)
[00:54] <cprofitt> lol
[00:54] <cprofitt> I am watching the three kids -- wife is out... and feel sick to my stomach
[00:54] <cprofitt> iso testing... likely not good tonight
[00:54] <cprofitt> despite fader_
[00:55] <fader_> cprofitt: :P
[00:55] <fader_> I hope you feel better though :/
[00:55]  * fader_ is canning turkey stock while ISO testing.
[00:55] <charlie-tca> cprofitt, might be done already if fader_ would not make these issues happen
[00:55] <fader_> Hehe
[00:58] <charlie-tca> cprofitt, sorry to hear you are ill tonight
[01:08] <cprofitt> no big deal charlie-tca
[01:08] <cprofitt> turkey stock... a skill I desire to learn by next year
[01:10] <fader_> cprofitt: It's more or less: 1) eat turkey   2) throw turkey bones in pot of water   3) boil forever
[01:10] <fader_> :)
[01:11] <fader_> It makes awesome soup
[01:11] <cprofitt> it does....
[01:11] <charlie-tca> You don't throw salt and pepper in?
[01:11] <cprofitt> I did what you said last year and it smelled terrible
[01:14] <fader_> Hehe
[01:14] <fader_> Well, there are other things in it too.  Vegetables, salt, pepper, etc.
[01:15] <fader_> To be honest, my Significant Other makes the stock and I can it.
[01:15] <fader_> So don't trust my recipe too much ;)
[01:15] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it
[01:15] <charlie-tca> carrots, maybe celery, salt, pepper, gallons of water
[01:16] <charlie-tca> boil the crap out of it with the cover on
[01:17] <charlie-tca> If the turkey was wrong, it stinks, I think :-)
[01:17] <fader_> I believe there were onions in this as well.  At least, it looked like there were onions when I was picking the meat off the carcass afterward.
[01:17] <charlie-tca> sounds right
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I used to watch my mother do it
[01:18] <fader_> That's the best part, BTW -- you can carve everything off the turkey, then when you've boiled it you get like another pound of meat
[01:18] <fader_> It's like magic
[01:18] <charlie-tca> lol
[01:40] <fader_> Hmm, looks like the ISO tracker asplode
[01:43] <stgraber> DC exploded apparently
[01:44] <stgraber> launchpad is down too
[01:44] <fader_> Oh man, that's not good
[01:44] <stgraber> ubuntu.com is still alive but canonical.com is dead
[01:45] <tgm4883> stgraber, canonical.com works for me?
[01:45] <fader_> Yeah, #launchpad has "Launchpad down due to data centre issues, more soon" in the topic
[01:45] <stgraber> 02:38 -!- charlieS changed the topic of #canonical-sysadmin to: Known issues: One datacenter is unreachable currently. || Vanguard: squinky || RT: https://rt.ubuntu.com/  (uname/pword ubuntu/ubuntu) || Although we idle here, please mail requests to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:46] <fader_> And mwhudson says "believe me, people are out of bed and in taxis in london as we type"
[01:46] <fader_> I believe my bad luck is expanding
[01:49] <stgraber> good thing, archive.ubuntu.com isn't affected :) could be worse
[01:49] <fader_> No way, this is a disaster -- both iso.qa.ubuntu.com *and* hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com are down!
[01:49] <fader_> :P
[01:50] <stgraber> fader_: just go and read www.edubuntu.org ;) we're in the right DC apparently :)
[01:50] <fader_> Hehe
[01:50] <fader_> stgraber: I thought you lived in the DC with edubuntu.org ;)
[02:04] <charlie-tca> Well, at least we can test what we have...
[02:05] <fader_> As long as you don't need to report any bugs ;)
[02:05] <stgraber> cdimage works here
[02:05] <charlie-tca> hm, or try to cancel I did report?
[02:07] <charlie-tca> does that read wrong to you, too? It looks like I really can't use english tonight?
[02:08] <fader_> charlie-tca: Yeah, I have no idea what that meant
[02:08] <fader_> I know all the words but I don't think they work in that order
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Well, good. It isn't just me then :-)
[02:09] <fader_> :)
[02:18] <skaet_> charlie-tca, fader_  just heard that IS is aware of the datacenter problem, and is working on it.   fingers crossed, it gets figured out soon.
[02:19] <fader_> skaet_: Thanks :)  I've been trying not to bug anyone since it was in the topic in #launchpad
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you , skaet_
[02:21] <charlie-tca> well, skaet_, fader_ that bug on the encrypted install is invalid, but with everything down, I can not mark it in launchpad.
[02:21] <stgraber> looks like we're back online
[02:21] <charlie-tca> I can not reproduce it
[02:21] <fader_> \o/
[02:21] <stgraber> iso.qa.ubuntu.com works from here
[02:22] <charlie-tca> Changed in the iso tracker, but can't mark it in launchpad.
[02:25] <fader_> Yeah, lp still seems to be down
[02:25] <fader_> But my guess is it will be up shortly
[02:25] <skaet_> :)  glad we're back in tracking mode in iso tracker at least.... keeping fingers crossed lp comes up soon.     I seem to have a good working setup on hardware now
[02:29] <skaet_> charlie-tca, thanks.  :)   am probably going to call it a night myself now.
[02:30] <fader_> charlie-tca, skaet_: G'night!
[02:30] <charlie-tca> Good night
[02:57]  * fader_ is also calling it a night... ciao folks
[07:54] <ara> good morning
[08:17]  * ara syncs kubuntu desktop i386
[08:35] <sulumar> Greetings
[08:36] <jibel> Hi sulumar
[08:40] <sulumar> that alpha iso seems to be corrupted. ill try something else
[11:36] <Shakib> hi
[11:37] <Shakib> someone here?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:21] <pedro_> morning charlie-tca
[13:22] <charlie-tca> still going
[13:22] <charlie-tca> Is the ISO tracker going to get updated with the new image date?
[13:22] <jibel> Good morning charlie-tca
[13:23] <charlie-tca> another day, another...
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Meeting in #ubuntu-quality now
[17:57] <skaet_> jibel, charlie-tca - new desktop for ubuntu has been uploaded now with WUBI and the 2D fix.  others emerging in through the afternoon.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> syncing now
[18:13] <pedro_> FYI: the 2D fix works fine here
[18:16] <kamusin> cool
[18:40] <Curly_Q> Anyone here familiar with Aptosid Linux?
[18:43] <Curly_Q> If you are not familiar with it it is here: http://www.aptosid.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=396
[18:44] <Curly_Q> I was looking for any comments on it.
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Has it got anything to do with testing Ubuntu?
[18:44] <Curly_Q> It is Linux related. Are you familiar with it?
[18:45] <charlie-tca> This channel is for testing of Ubuntu, not offtopic discussions. Might want to try in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:45] <Curly_Q> If you don't know just say so. I don't mind. It doesn't hurt to ask a question.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> the discussion in not appropriate here
[18:46] <Curly_Q> OK I see. So you are puffed up with your channel topics.
[18:47] <Curly_Q> Get a live my friend.
[18:47] <Curly_Q> Get a life.
[19:01] <pacchi> man
[19:01] <pacchi> date
[19:02] <pacchi> flag a
[19:03] <highvoltage> is it essential to test upgrades for the alpha release?
[19:04] <highvoltage> (oh, nm :) )
[19:20] <skaet_> pedro_, thanks for checking it out.   good to know it won't need documenting then.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> um, anybody testing Ubuntu desktop on hardware?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> pedro_, was that on hardware?
[19:47] <pedro_> charlie-tca, no, it was  on a VM
[19:48] <pedro_> so no 3d support
[19:48] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:50] <charlie-tca> We need somebody to verify the live cd works on 3d hardware. Mine is losing the panel and dock on logging in
[19:51] <charlie-tca> burning a new dvd to try again
[19:58] <charlie-tca> skaet_, I am losing the dock and panel running the desktop cd on hardware. Also, shortcuts will not work at all.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Got a blank desktop and no way to quit
[19:58] <skaet_> :(
[19:59] <charlie-tca> looks to me like adding 2d fallback broke it completely on 3d hardware
[19:59] <skaet_> not good.
[20:00]  * skaet_ off to go find some folk to help.
[20:25] <skaet_> charlie-tca, jasoncwarner is going to ask robert_ancell to look into it when he comes online.   Looks like we've missed seb128 and didrocks :(
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Can you kick the iso tracker? Xubuntu desktop images are out again
[20:25] <charlie-tca> well, are done rebuilding, I mean.
[20:31] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: I imagine bug 672699 is a regression right?
[20:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 672699 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "screen-reader does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 196)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672699
[20:34] <charlie-tca> bdmurray, I don't actually know. That is the alternate image, and I don't know if it ever worked
[20:35] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: okay, thanks
[20:35] <charlie-tca> It was kind of a placeholder, so we would try and get it working for natty
[20:41] <skaet_> charlie-tca, is there a bug number for the 2d fallback breaking 3d?  or should just reopen the 2d one?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I did not file one, I was hoping someone could verify it first.
[20:43] <charlie-tca> I guess we can reopen the 2d bug. I can't really get anything off this since I can't use any shortcut keys
[20:44] <rickspencer3> hi all
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Am I really the one with hardware to test with?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Hello, rickspencer3
[20:46] <skaet_> hi rickspencer3
[20:46] <rickspencer3> I'd like to understand what's up with the 2d/3d fallback thing
[20:46] <rickspencer3> and help get it unstuck asap
[20:47] <rickspencer3> 1. is there a bug #?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> I can not get it work in a live environment on real hardware now
[20:47] <rickspencer3> 2. if not, what are the symptoms and could someone please log a bug so we can track
[20:47] <charlie-tca> As soon as the desktop comes up, the dock and panel disappear
[20:47] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, if I dist-upgrade right now and restart, should I see the same problem?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> no
[20:48] <charlie-tca> It is the new images today
[20:48] <charlie-tca> It is a fresh install using the latest desktop cd. When I go to Try Ubuntu, it fails as soon as the desktop comes up
[20:49] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, but would I not see the system if I simply update?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I haven't even tried the install with the latest image
[20:49] <rickspencer3> I am on Natty
[20:49] <charlie-tca> rickspencer3, I don't know if it will show up on an upgrade. I am seeing it on the live desktop, not an installed desktop
[20:50] <rickspencer3> I see
[20:50] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, I'll start by creating a live image here, and see if I repro it
[20:50] <charlie-tca> It worked earlier today. The image was changed to allow 2d fallback to work
[20:50] <rickspencer3> can you link me to the specific image?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I am using the 386 image
[20:51] <charlie-tca> specifically: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I have another image running right now. As soon as it is done, I will file the bug and try to pull the live cd logs
[20:55] <rickspencer3> can someone please log a bug!
[20:55] <rickspencer3> marjo ^?
[20:55] <marjo> rickspencer3: will do
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I can file it. I just can't pull the logs yet
[20:56] <rickspencer3> dang it
[20:57] <rickspencer3> my downlink is going at 200KB, so this is going to take like an hour to download
[20:57] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, shall I see if it effects my on a dist-upgrade?
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I think it is the image itself
[20:58] <rickspencer3> interesting
[20:59] <rickspencer3> skaet_, if it's the image itself, then maybe after we get a bug number, we can ask cjwatson to look at it
[21:03] <mterry> Should I be testing http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20101201.1/ ?
[21:03] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca,  skaet_, I asked some folks in #ubuntu-desktop to try the image as well
[21:03] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, ^ ?
[21:03] <rickspencer3> mterry, he previously pointed right to current: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso
[21:03] <charlie-tca> great
[21:03] <mterry> OK
[21:03] <vish> hi, so i downloaded today's image, and unity doesnt run.. it just loads for a couple of secs and crashes  … when i logged into a classic session i got the compiz crash and logged Bug 683840
[21:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840
[21:03] <charlie-tca> bug 683859
[21:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:05] <charlie-tca> thank you, vish. Is that the 20101201.1 image?
[21:05] <vish> charlie-tca: thats the same bug as i mentioned.. :)
[21:05] <skaet_> mterry, vish,  earlier images was 20101201;  image in current right now is in 20101201.1
[21:05] <charlie-tca> rickspencer3, ^ ^ verified
[21:05] <marjo> skaet, charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/683860
[21:05] <rickspencer3> yup
[21:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:05] <rickspencer3> vish, are you able to find out what, specifically, is crashing?
[21:06] <vish> charlie-tca: image is 20101201 and then i updated again..
[21:06] <charlie-tca> well, now we got two bugs for it.
[21:06] <vish> so fully updated live usb..
[21:06] <marjo> charlie-tca: i just subscribed you to it
[21:06] <vish> charlie-tca: its the same symptom as you describe in your bug..
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Want me to dup bug 683859 to it?
[21:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:07] <marjo> charlie-tca: i suggest not; let's let cjwatson do the duping
[21:07] <vish> charlie-tca: either way, i think the apport one has the traces..
[21:08] <charlie-tca> marjo, can't get an apport trace
[21:08] <marjo> charlie-tca: ack
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I can't get a terminal in the live cd. Shortcuts are broken too
[21:08] <rickspencer3> is anyone from dx/compiz around to look at this crasher?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> I will attempt to ssh the logs
[21:11] <charlie-tca> burning another dvd, will do what I can to pull logs
[21:11] <vish> charlie-tca: are you able to switch to classic session?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> I can't log out
[21:11] <charlie-tca> No
[21:11] <vish> charlie-tca: try Sys+Alt+k
[21:11] <vish> thats what i do.. and then i switch to the classic one..
[21:12] <charlie-tca> Used to be able to use terminal, but ctrl+alt+t is broken too
[21:12] <vish> yea, terminal does not open
[21:12]  * charlie-tca is really glad it isn't just him
[21:13] <charlie-tca> give me a minute. burn this dvd and boot it
[21:15] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, I'm zsyncing the amd64 image now to test
[21:15] <rickspencer3> thanks cyphermox
[21:16] <cyphermox> unless it's just on i386?
[21:16] <vish> rickspencer3: afaik, it's compiz crashing here.. well atleast thats what apport keeps reporting when i get to the classic session.
[21:17] <rickspencer3> vish, right, assuming that's the issue
[21:17] <cyphermox> hmm... oops, downloading too fast :/
[21:24] <mterry> rickspencer3, I'm in a live session, and unity doesn't come up at all...  I get nautilus but no unity.  Is this the bug you mentioned?
[21:25] <rickspencer3> mterry, prolly
[21:25] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, ^
[21:25] <rickspencer3> mterry, any chance you could look at what is going on specifically?
[21:25] <vish> mterry: how are you getting nautilus? from the examples folder?
[21:26] <mterry> vish, it draws my background
[21:29] <mterry> rickspencer3, I'm looking around
[21:29] <rickspencer3> thanks mterry
[21:29] <rickspencer3> I think we'd all like to know the root cause asap
[21:29] <vish> mterry: yea, background is there with the folders..
[21:29] <rickspencer3> vish, thanks to you for your help getting to this as well
[21:29] <vish> np..
[21:29]  * rickspencer3 steps away
[21:29] <mterry> I can run compiz, but unity doesn't come up
[21:29] <jasoncwarner> mterry: is there a crash report or anything?
[21:29] <mterry> jasoncwarner, no.  And as far as I can see, compiz isn't actually crashed.  I don't know how it was when I first logged in, but I ran compiz manually from a terminal and unity still didn't come up, even though compiz is running fine
[21:29] <jasoncwarner> mterry: hmm..ok...
[21:29] <mterry> jasoncwarner, are there compiz/DX folks around?
[21:29] <jasoncwarner> mterry: looking now
[21:29] <charlie-tca> yes, exactly
[21:29] <charlie-tca> It draws the background, then the dock and top panel, then it takes the panel and dock away
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Maybe my system is slow enough to see it happen?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> end result is the wallpaper, no shortcuts working and no way to test anything
[21:30] <mterry> charlie-tca, interesting.  I didn't notice it come up, but I might have just blinked
[21:32] <mterry> charlie-tca, I did see that today on my natty laptop, where unity came, went, but in my laptop's case, it came again and stayed
[21:32] <vish> charlie-tca: oh! I'm on an AOA as well, so might be why we are noticing unity appear and then go away..
[21:32] <vish> when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock
[21:32] <mterry> When I run compiz from a terminal, the unityshell plugin is not among those it lists as initialized during startup
[21:32] <seb128> hey
[21:32] <vish> even the app menu loads but then gone..
[21:32] <mterry> seb128, hihi
[21:32] <seb128> how are things going there?
[21:32] <mterry> seb128, trying to get to bottom of things still
[21:32] <seb128> what is the issue?
[21:33] <mterry> vish, charlie-tca: I think I may have different issue from you, as unityshell doesn't even attempt to load in my case.   Bug 683840
[21:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840
[21:35] <vish>  <Sarvatt> vish: ohh so it looks like its just expecting cheese to be installed but it isnt on the livecd?
[21:35] <vish> charlie-tca: ^ is cheese there ?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> I am just a hair gunshy after not being able to reproduce my bug from yesterday
[21:35] <charlie-tca> This was working before the change to add 2d fallback today
[21:35] <mterry> vish, I don't have cheese installed in the live cd
[21:35] <cyphermox> vish: cheese isn' t there
[21:36] <seb128> it's not supposed to be
[21:36] <charlie-tca> vish, I seem to have been lost for a few minutes, I have to read two full screens now to catch up
[21:37] <charlie-tca> yes, vish. This is accurate
 when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock
[21:38] <charlie-tca> seb128, also bug 683860
[21:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860
[21:39] <seb128> seems you guys are mixing different issues
[21:40] <seb128> it doesn't make easy to track what's going on
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yup, I think you are right. also bug 683859
[21:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:41] <seb128> vish, your bug seems a duplicate of bug #682345
[21:41] <cyphermox> seb128: fwiw, I seem to get the same stack trace in gdb for compiz crashing
[21:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[21:41] <seb128> cyphermox, which one?
[21:41] <cyphermox> huh, hard to tell now
[21:42] <cyphermox> #0  0x00007fffe6178cd0 in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const ()
[21:42] <cyphermox>    from /usr/lib/libnux-graphics-0.9.so.0, like so many others :/
[21:43] <seb128> ok, same bug that I just pointed
[21:43] <seb128> Jason and Jay are on it
[21:44] <cyphermox> surely I missed something, but isn' t 683840 the same thing as well?
[21:44] <seb128> charlie-tca, bug #683860 seems neither a cdimage bug not an useful description
[21:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860
[21:44] <seb128> cyphermox, seems so yes
[21:45] <cyphermox> ah, so I'm not going crazy :)
[21:45] <seb128> bug #682345 was the first open and is assigned
[21:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[21:45] <seb128> so better to comment on this one and dup the others
[21:45] <cyphermox> yep
[21:45] <charlie-tca> seb128, what about 683859 >
[21:45] <cyphermox> well, I have nothing useful to add than dup
[21:45] <vish> seb128: yea, hence when sarvatt mention it thought it might be the .desktop file..
[21:45] <seb128> charlie-tca, seems compiz is crashing? do you get apport to trigger?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> no
[21:46] <charlie-tca> apport does not trigger. It is the live environment, too.
[21:46] <seb128> charlie-tca, can you switch to a vt and read .xsession-errors?
[21:46] <seb128> or the system logs
[21:46] <charlie-tca> give me a minute
[21:47] <cjwatson> I'm moving #683860 over to Ubuntu, dup or not
[21:47] <cjwatson> fill in a package if you know better :-)
[21:48] <charlie-tca> it was filed for #683859, probably can be duped to it
[21:48] <charlie-tca> or invalid it and be done with it
[21:49] <charlie-tca> slow boot here. I am trying to get to the crashed desktop
[21:50]  * mterry tries to boot back into livecd.  brb
[21:50] <charlie-tca> music plays, desktop is up, dock and panel disappeared
[21:51] <seb128> what video card people having the crash issue use?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Radeon 9800 with 128MB here
[21:51] <charlie-tca> seb128, big log
[21:52] <seb128> is there any crash or error about unity or compiz?
[21:52] <charlie-tca> canbera-gtk-play
[21:53] <charlie-tca> compiz
[21:53] <charlie-tca> \Cannont connect to backend, is it busy?
[21:53] <cyphermox> seb128: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) here
[21:53] <charlie-tca> It is still adding to the log
[21:53] <seb128> ok
[21:54] <seb128> so it's not driver specific
[21:54] <cyphermox> nah
[21:54] <charlie-tca> lots of nm-applet
[21:54] <charlie-tca> glib-GObject-critical erros
[21:54] <charlie-tca> errors
[21:54] <cyphermox> yeah, sorry about that, still working on nm-applet :/
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Do you want me to try and pull these for the bug report?
[21:55] <cyphermox> I think there was already a bug reported about it
[21:56] <charlie-tca> not nm-applet, the desktop won't work thing
[21:56] <cyphermox> ah
[21:57] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: do you have a file in /var/crash/ ?
[21:58] <charlie-tca> nope
[21:58] <mterry> I have one
[21:58] <cyphermox> mterry: did you ascertain whether it was the same as bug 682345?
[21:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Do you want dmesg or syslog?
[21:59] <seb128> mterry, it seems to be a crash when the .desktop for a launcher entry is missing
[21:59] <seb128> mterry, Jason said he might an idea about the issue, I'm waiting for him to come back with details
[21:59] <seb128> mterry, the default list has items which are missing from the default install
[21:59] <mterry> cyphermox, seb128: mine is the same as that bug, I marked it as affecting me
[21:59] <charlie-tca> xsession-errors log attached to bug 683859
[21:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:59] <mterry> seb128, understood
[22:00] <seb128> mterry, hum
[22:00] <seb128> mterry, is compiz crashing?
[22:00] <cyphermox> seb128: shouldn't it start to work once cheese is installed?
[22:00] <cyphermox> e.g. as the desktop file i guess would be there?
[22:00] <mterry> seb128, specifically ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop it looks like
[22:00] <cyphermox> d'oh
[22:00] <seb128> cyphermox, seems ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop is missing
[22:01] <mterry> seb128, yeah, compiz is crashing
[22:01] <seb128> well that's a new source and it was not NEWed before alpha1
[22:01] <mterry> seb128, cheese isn't in my default list, but that ubuntuone thing is.
[22:01] <seb128> ok, that's the issue
[22:01] <seb128> cjwatson, ^
[22:01] <mterry> Run "gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites" to see your favorites
[22:02] <seb128> cjwatson, we have several way to go forward then
[22:02] <cyphermox> ah thanks mterry
[22:02] <seb128> cjwatson, either get ubuntuone-control-panel NEWed and installed
[22:02] <seb128> or change the default unity list
[22:02] <seb128> or get the crash fixed
[22:03] <vish> guys try this : $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']"
[22:03] <vish> it seems to fix the issue here..
[22:03] <vish> it removes the examples.desktop..
[22:04] <seb128> hum
[22:04] <mterry> vish, that's interesting.  I have the examples.desktop file.  So you're saying the crash is not the missing file, but the examples one?
[22:04] <seb128> that seems to be some corruption in the launcher
[22:04] <cyphermox> vish: right, that works
[22:04] <seb128> it doesn't like the path rather than desktop name?
[22:04] <vish> mterry: yea.. i first removed the U1 , but dint help.. removing the examples worked..
[22:04] <cyphermox> mterry: indeed, removed ubuntuone-... didn' t fix it here, but removing examples did
[22:05]  * vish re-adds U1 to make sure..
[22:05] <cyphermox> vish, yes, it works
[22:06] <cyphermox> compiz even mentions the favorites change
[22:06] <cjwatson> I'm OK with NEWing ubuntuone-control-panel if that's what the unity guys have been testing primarily?
[22:06] <seb128> cjwatson, wait
[22:06] <cjwatson> though I assume this is still considered a unity launcher bug, if it's not robust in this way?
[22:06] <seb128> that's for sure
[22:06] <seb128> we are just not sure the crash will be fixed today
[22:07] <seb128> so I was trying to suggest a workaround for the default install
[22:07] <cjwatson> understood
[22:07] <cjwatson> what am I waiting for? :)
[22:07] <seb128> cjwatson, but previous comment make unclear if that's not the examples.desktop entry which is the issue
[22:08] <cjwatson> ok, what might be wrong with it?
[22:08] <cyphermox> trying to figure this out ;)
[22:08] <mterry> I can confirm that without the examples file, I can run compiz --replace
[22:09] <TheMuso> Booting the latest daily image/proposed alpha image of natty on an amd64 machine with a USB stick sees the nautilus desktop come up, but no panels/unity, I suspect a crash. Running a Radeon 4830/RV770 card on the machine in question.
[22:09] <UndiFineD> todays ubuntu i386 installs for me in virtualbox ose, but after that, there is no desktop shown at all, I cannot install physical atm
[22:10] <vish> someone update the topic :)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> TheMuso, it doesn't actually crash
[22:10] <seb128> cjwatson, could that unity doesn't like have a path rather than a desktop name
[22:10] <seb128> having
[22:10] <mterry> seb128, OK, so 3 confirmations that the problem is the example file not the ubuntuone then
[22:10] <charlie-tca> there is no crash files
[22:10] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: hrm ok
[22:10] <seb128> mterry, do you know where the default launchers list is stored?
[22:10] <seb128> mterry, I guess that one comes from the import code?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> You are getting what I got
[22:10] <seb128> like it's importing the desktop items from nautilus?
[22:10] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: Actually, I do have a compiz crash file.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> TheMuso, hmm, I can't get a crash file here
[22:11] <TheMuso> I have on in /var/crash
[22:11] <TheMuso> one
[22:11] <mterry> seb128, not sure yet
[22:11]  * TheMuso goes to boot it on the machine he is typing from. brb
[22:11] <charlie-tca> whoa
[22:12] <charlie-tca> TheMuso, seb128 : a crash file finally showed up here
[22:12] <mterry> seb128, I have to catch a bus, I will be back online in ~1h
[22:12] <seb128> mterry, ok, see you then if I'm not to bed yet
[22:13] <cyphermox> seb128: changing e.g. tomboy to be specified with a full path works
[22:14] <UndiFineD> I have errors on network manager
[22:15] <cjwatson> seb128: having a path where?
[22:16] <seb128> cjwatson, ['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop', '/home/ubuntu/Desktop/examples.desktop']
[22:16] <seb128> cjwatson, that's the launcher list
[22:16] <cjwatson> oh.  is casper setting that up?
[22:16] <seb128> no, I think unity is being smart
[22:16] <cyphermox> seb128: this works though: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', '/usr/share/applications/tomboy.desktop' ]"
[22:16] <seb128> it has code to import gnome-panel launchers and nautilus desktop icons
[22:16] <seb128> cjwatson, so users get their config in the launcher when they try unity
[22:17] <seb128> I think it's importing the desktop icon from the livecd
[22:17] <seb128> not sure what it doesn't like yet though
[22:17] <seb128> I first supposed it was the path but could be the .desktop itself
[22:17] <TheMuso> Ok same crash on this box.
[22:17] <seb128> still investigating...
[22:17] <TheMuso> Also with a radeon card.
[22:18] <cyphermox> I've also been trying to remove stuff from the desktop file but it doesn' t seem to change anything so far
[22:18] <vish> TheMuso: try this : $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']"
[22:19] <vish> TheMuso: that seems to fix the issue for some of us here
[22:19] <charlie-tca> um, the help center opened here
[22:21] <TheMuso> vish: Hrm ok I don't have it booted atm, and need to get through some email, but I'll take your word for it. :)
[22:23] <seb128> ie examples.desktop setting an icon?
[22:23] <seb128> ie -> is
[22:23] <cjwatson> yes, Icon=folder
[22:23] <charlie-tca> on the desktop, yes
[22:23] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538831/ <- data/examples.desktop.in from example-content bzr
[22:24] <seb128> sorry I'm on a maverick laptop atm
[22:24] <vish>  yea... even if i remove examples has the icon on the desktop and the launcher
[22:24] <seb128> so not the ideal setup to debug
[22:24] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[22:24] <cjwatson> example-content hasn't changed from maverick->natty FWIW
[22:25] <seb128> unity did ;-)
[22:25] <cjwatson> well, yes :)
[22:25] <seb128> could someone having the issue test if replacing examples.desktop by another .desktop fix the bug?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> How do I do that?
[22:27] <cyphermox> seb128: trying
[22:28] <seb128> cp /usr/share/applications/some.desktop examples.desktop
[22:28] <seb128> otherwise lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345
[22:28] <seb128> jay thinks that might fix it
[22:29] <cyphermox> yeah, another desktop file works
[22:29] <seb128> if you can rebuild unity with it
[22:30] <TheMuso> yes I can also verify replacing examples.desktop with another makes unity work.
[22:30] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538835
[22:30] <TheMuso> s/makes/allows/
[22:30] <seb128> ^ that's a possible fix to try
[22:31] <cyphermox> seb128: working on it on my live session, i need to get the deps first though
[22:40] <TheMuso> It also seems that compiz/unity crashes when I alt tab
[22:40]  * TheMuso checks to see whether mipmapping is enabled...
[22:41] <TheMuso> Gah have to install ccsm
[22:42] <cyphermox> I can confirm Jay' s fix works
[22:43] <cyphermox> TheMuso: I don' t get a crash on alt-tab
[22:44] <TheMuso> Interesting.
[22:44] <TheMuso> cyphermox: What card?
[22:44] <TheMuso> are you using
[22:44] <cyphermox> Intel integrated i3
[22:45] <TheMuso> ah ok, I am on Amd Radeon 4830/RV770LE
[22:46] <cyphermox> ok
[22:46] <RAOF> Yeah, that's an r600 bug.
[22:46] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[22:46] <seb128> cjwatson, lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345
[22:47] <seb128> cjwatson, that fixes it
[22:47] <cyphermox> of course now there is no icon and no text, but compiz doesn' t crash :D
[22:47] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm not on a bug where I can do packaging unfortunatly and didrocks is not around
[22:47] <cyphermox> seb128: if I can take the time to switch back, I could maybe update it
[22:47] <cyphermox> (switch back to non-live where I can package stuff)
[22:48] <seb128> well you need sponsoring anywa
[22:48] <cyphermox> right
[22:48] <cyphermox> brb, getting back to install
[22:49] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok good to know.
[22:53] <cjwatson> seb128: I can sponsor it, not that I can test it
[22:54] <seb128> cjwatson, robert_ancell is on it
[22:54] <cjwatson> what bzr branch do you normally use for unity?
[22:54] <cjwatson> oh, ok, good
[22:54] <seb128> cjwatson, cyphermox tested
[22:54] <seb128> cjwatson, we will let #ubuntu-release know when it's uploaded
[22:54] <cjwatson> ok, great
[22:55] <UndiFineD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/683790
[22:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683790 in gdm (Ubuntu) "natty alpha gdm / unity does not start (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[23:04] <rickspencer3> wow!
[23:05] <rickspencer3> so, I step away for a bit, come back, and cjwatson, seb128, cyphermox, vish, charlie-tca, mterry got everything fixed
[23:05] <rickspencer3> there is a lesson for me here, I guess!
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you. I just sat here
[23:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, lol
[23:05] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, don't be so modest!
[23:05] <rickspencer3> you found and drove the issue
[23:05] <charlie-tca> seb128, will the two new bugs go as dups of the fixed bug?
[23:05] <rickspencer3> that was huge, we're all really grateful for your stick-to-it-iveness
[23:06] <rickspencer3> well, thanks to all of this, (assuming the fix works ..
[23:06]  * rickspencer3 knocks wood
[23:06] <rickspencer3> this is going to be a really killer Alpha 1 for the desktop
[23:06] <charlie-tca> rickspencer3, It is those other people that actually have to work hard. I just tell people it broke
[23:11] <seb128> charlie-tca, we will clean bugs tomorrow
[23:12] <seb128> charlie-tca, the bug don't have enough details to be sure it's the same issue
[23:12] <cjwatson> hm, if I'd been extra-special clever I'd have stopped the publisher in preparation for this
[23:12] <cjwatson> oh well
[23:12] <seb128> would be better to ask people to retry after the update
[23:13] <charlie-tca>  okay


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