[08:54] <alankila> Monona: unfortunately, I know nothing about linux realtime options.
[08:54] <mrpink57> justin22885: an easier option to test might have been a VM
[08:55] <Monona> alankila:  Thanks!  I think I'm going to call it quits for now, and play some more tomorrow.
[08:55] <stdisease> alankila, now you just choose symlinks under /etc/alternatives
[08:55] <alankila> justin22885: you can easily try the xdm & see how it goes, but chances are there's nothing but username and password prompt
[08:55] <alankila> stdisease: oh joy :)
[08:55] <paotzu> justin22885: In all seriousness, you can use SLiM, Orthos, Enter, etc...
[08:55] <justin22885> i dont want a username and a password, id like my linux to just automatically log me in and leave me alone about it.. no one ever touches my laptop but me
[08:56] <obscurant1st> kinja-sheep, ki am not getting the .torrent files
[08:56] <mrpink57> paotzu: slim > all
[08:56] <alankila> justin22885: riiight. Well, you still want some kind of box where to select which desktop to boot. You can put username and password as 'x' if you like.
[08:56] <justin22885> alankila: xdm wont allow me to select a desktop?
[08:56] <alankila> justin22885: my guess is no
[08:57] <stdisease> justin22885, nope only through manipulation of files somewhere else
[08:57] <coldfire2122> does anyone have input on installing kde over ubuntu vs dual booting with kubuntu?
[08:57] <mrpink57> If I remember its just a login prompt like slim, but you could just setup what session yo would like in a .Xdefaults
[08:57] <stdisease> justin22885, for now stick with gdm or kdm if you want choice/eyecandy/autologin
[08:57] <peleg> stdisease, did you understand my problem?
[08:58] <alankila> coldfire2122: you can have ubuntu and kubuntu on same machine. It will look like kubuntu because kubuntu replaces the splash screens and so on, but both gnome and kde will be available as usual.
[08:58] <stdisease> coldfire2122, I'd just install kde on ubuntu
[08:58] <stdisease> heh, in fact it *will* be kubuntu
[08:59] <justin22885> ok.. ill go gdm for now, test drive the desktops, and when i find one i like ill remove gdm and set the script to automatically launch that one when i start up
[08:59] <titan_ark> anyone can help me with using crontab please?
[08:59] <coldfire2122> i was reading that installing both caused issues. you would sy otherwise?
[08:59] <paotzu> alankila: all you ahve to do to change that back without editing anything is dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[08:59] <almoxarife> its a mess ridding kde-desktop from gnome
[08:59] <sanderj> How do I choose to use an older kernel I just installed into 9.10 ?
[08:59] <alankila> justin22885: I have personally liked lxde almost over gnome -- it is what I use on this machine for instance.
[09:00] <admiral0_wrk> hi people
[09:00] <titan_ark> sanderj, it will show up in your grub, just select the older one
[09:00] <justin22885> whats the most configurable "window manager" out there? would that be flux?
[09:00] <paotzu> alankila: oh you are talking about the boot splash, nm
[09:00] <stdisease> justin22885, kde
[09:00] <alankila> paotzu: yes, that is not generally fixable/changeable.
[09:00] <sanderj> titan_ark, I want to make it boot with the older one by default.
[09:00] <admiral0_wrk> i saw efl interface for netbook remix. Is it open source?
[09:00] <stdisease> justin22885, but that's a whole desktop environment not just a window manager
[09:00] <justin22885> kde is a desktop environment, not a pure window manager
[09:00] <admiral0_wrk> i can't find the source
[09:01] <titan_ark> sanderj, not too sure about that
[09:01] <alankila> Hmm. How do I deal with /dev/md0 and grub2? I can't seem to tell grub2 what physical devices that corresponds to.
[09:01] <justin22885> im asking what is the most configurable window manager by itself
[09:01] <mrpink57> A commone one I see a kde with openbox for a window manager or fluxbox
[09:01] <sanderj> titan_ark, there is a new way.. with grub2.. dont know how.
[09:01] <mrpink57> justin22885: openbox since you start with nothing
[09:01] <titan_ark> sanderj, oh okay, sorry i have no clue
[09:01] <mrpink57> justin22885: unless you go to a tiling wm
[09:01] <sairam> Enter text here... help me i have problem with my audio i can hear any voice from it
[09:02]  * alankila hopes he doesn't have to make a /boot partition, but will do if that's what it takes
[09:02] <tking> I need to shrink an lvm volume in order to increase the size of others, but first I need to shrink the ext4 filesystem contained within offline and unmounted, what software do I use to accomplish this and will it be available in a single-user rescue shell?
[09:02] <sanderj> Anyone else know how to set default kernel to boot with in grub2?
[09:02] <bharatbobba> is shawnboy here?
[09:02] <justin22885> no, i dont want tiling, i want a WM i can start out with almost nothing.. then choose and plugin components like a file browser, desktop, taskbar, etc
[09:02] <meowbuntu> hi anyone used enlightment wm before i'm thinking of installing it
[09:02] <kinja-sheep> bharatbobba: I don't think so.
[09:02] <mrpink57> tking: gparted should be able to shrink a ext4
[09:03] <tking> mrpink57, I thought there were specific ext* specific tools, though.
[09:03] <alankila> with grub1 I could always just force it to use one of the disks as raw device, so with RAID1 it's not a problem to get a functional bootloader... but this grub2 is all scripted and doesn't seem to know how to deal with md
[09:03] <tking> mrpink57, a look through aptitude search shows nothing...
[09:03] <alankila> whatever. I'll just make a /boot to get past this problem
[09:03] <paotzu> alankila: you need newer version of grub2 I think?
[09:03] <tking> mrpink57, also I would have to use parted as I wouldn't have a GUI, just a text terminal. But that is fine... except it has to be available in the rescue shell.
[09:03] <stdisease> e2fsprogs works on ext4
[09:03] <mrpink57> tking: i have never personally resized a partition.  The only formats not resizable I know of are JFS, XFS, and maybe Resief
[09:04] <alankila> paotzu: never than is available in lucid?
[09:04] <tking> stdisease, e2fsprogs supports shrinking?
[09:04] <alankila> newer even
[09:04] <ouissam> goog morning world
[09:04] <peleg> Is there any other way of upgrading instead of using the GUI way, which is not working since I can't change the mirrors?
[09:04] <tking> mrpink57, that is fine as I am using ext4 + lvm2
[09:04] <mrpink57> peleg: sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:04] <alankila> paotzu: no, the problem is not with grub2 itself, it's more to do with the automagic scripts that attempt to make the grub2 config
[09:04] <ouissam> anyone speaking french or spanish
[09:04] <peleg> mrpink57, thanks, I'll try that!
[09:04] <alankila> they don't have a clue how to deal with MD right now
[09:05] <mrpink57> peleg: I'd maybe do sudo apt-get update first
[09:05] <paotzu> alankila: oh, you don't mean doing grub-install /dev/md0
[09:05] <alankila> but it's not a problem, I have a plan.
[09:05] <alankila> paotzu: hmm, would that work? Will test immediately.
[09:05] <rww> ubottu: es | ouissam
[09:05] <koltroll> Sound Issue: I only get sound when changing output volume to 150%. Any idea on why that is?
[09:05] <alankila> paotzu: no, it fails. The scripts don't know how to deal with md0. That's the problem.
[09:06] <alankila> I'll try telling grub2 that (hd0) == /dev/md0, maybe that does it
[09:06] <justin22885> im setting up the package manager now.. then ill probably install gdm, then gnome, lxde, and fluxbox
[09:06] <alankila> no, it still doesn't work. Bummer.
[09:06] <bharatbobba> damn.... wanted to thank him...
[09:06] <fodder_> alinkaila, is this ubuntu 9.10
[09:06] <alankila> fodder_: 10.04
[09:07] <fodder_> is this the issue of grub altering the comand line from a uuid 23455 to a hdo/ style
[09:07] <justin22885> how would i go about using a compositing window manager with my computer? could i install compiz or beryl directly or does it need to run on top of something like gnome?
[09:07] <peleg> mrpink57, did both, in the order you recommended. I only get "0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 0 nicht aktualisiert." -- and nothing after that.
[09:07] <alankila> And adding a partition to /dev/sda doesn't work of course ... the sda is used in md0 & kernel's too stupid to allow me to add new partitions without rebooting and I bet if I reboot now I can't boot the thing
[09:07] <alankila> *headdesk*
[09:07] <paotzu> there is no compiz/beryl, there is compiz fusion now
[09:08] <cnvl> When using TV-Out with nvidia's binary driver, my TV picture extends past the edges of my TV. How do I fix this?
[09:08] <fodder_> what i did was uninstal grub, then reinstal the old one  first
[09:08] <mrpink57> peleg: i do not know your language but it sounds like no updates with your mirrors, you can check the mirrorstatus and go from there I imagine.
[09:08] <justin22885> could i use compiz fusion as the standard window manager, and from there plugin the taskbar, desktop, and file browser?
[09:08] <fodder_> it fixes the issue and reconfigures itself b4 reboot
[09:08] <mrpink57> justin22885: compiz can be used as a stand alone
[09:08] <paotzu> justin22885: absolute
[09:08] <fodder_> then on update tell it to keep the old
[09:09] <peleg> mrpink57, well, I have changed "old-releases" to "releases", so I guess it might be the issue. I'll change it back and we'll see...
[09:09] <justin22885> maybe i will do that.. install compiz on its own then plug in components to that
[09:09] <paotzu> justin22885: try compiz-deskmenu
[09:10] <peleg> mrpink57, tried again. I have changed the mirrors, updated (update went fine), and then tried upgrading, but got nothing. What else should I check?
[09:10] <peleg> my sources are "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse" and so.
[09:11] <justin22885> what is compiz-deskmenu paotzu?
[09:11] <mrpink57> peleg: past that I got nothing, do you know for a fact there is an update?
[09:11] <g0tcha> hey guys, is there a way to show the date and time the operating system been installed?
[09:11] <paotzu> justin22885: it is a generic program menu for compiz fusion that you can go in and edit what you want etc
[09:11] <justin22885> but it gives me no desktop with icons, or a taskbar, right?
[09:11] <peleg> mrpink57, well, yes. Update works great. also in aptitude.
[09:12] <titan_ark> hey everyone, could anyone help me out using crontab?
[09:12] <ardchoille> titan_ark: I can try
[09:12] <theadmin> titan_ark: Me too, ardchoille has learned me quite well someday :D
[09:12] <mrpink57> peleg: what do you mean it works great?
[09:13] <AdvoWork> is there a convertor type thing to change -rw-r----- to something else?
[09:13] <titan_ark> theadmin, ardchoille, iv been trying to use it to just try and run any application but not been successful
[09:13] <theadmin> titan_ark: What app exactly?
[09:14] <peleg> mrpink57, I mean that it has downloaded some stuff, and then summarized -- told me how long did it take, that it is reading the package list, and that it is finished. updating again does not downloading anything again. sounds ok, doesn't it?
[09:14] <ardchoille> titan_ark: Got a nice crontab tutorial for you: http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2009/04/crontab-tutorial.html
[09:14] <titan_ark> theadmin, i basically want to use rsync, but just to see if i am getting it right, i tried creating a txt file or even running vncviewer, but nothing
[09:14] <theadmin> titan_ark: Hm, copy the crontab line you've set
[09:14] <jackbrown> hey can anybody helps me? I should stop a software from running on  the Start Machine
[09:14] <stdisease> titan_ark, is crontab running, and what have you typed in your crontab?
[09:14] <mrpink57> peleg: yea, sounds like you are updated and nothing is in the pipe.  Ubuntu repos are not exactly bleeding edge.
[09:14] <jackbrown> hello
[09:15] <stdisease> *is cron daemon running
[09:15] <titan_ark> ardchoille, yes, iv read the man and the ubuntu page on cron
[09:15] <jackbrown> Hello
[09:15] <titan_ark> theadmin, 57 12 * * * env DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/xvnc4viewer > /home/titan_ark/cronlogs/testlog.log
[09:16] <titan_ark> stdisease, how do i check if its running?
[09:16] <stdisease> AdvoWork, those are permissions, you change them with something like the 'chmod' utility from the command line
[09:16] <stdisease> AdvoWork, or from the file manager, you right click the file and set permissions
[09:16] <peleg> mrpink57, so what can I do? Why upgrading does not work, without even giving any error message?
[09:17] <stdisease> titan_ark, 'service cron status'
[09:17] <sanderj> I tried to install a 2.6.18 kernel in 9.10.. and on bootup I got: error getting signalfd udevd .. I get dropped into a initramfs shell..
[09:17] <titan_ark> stdisease, cron start/running, process 1062
[09:17] <AdvoWork> if i do ls -all i can see file permissions like: -rw-r-----  is there a way to see what number that is? so i can then set chmod number file to match the -rw-r----- ?
[09:17] <peleg> mrpink57, I have switched to English. The last line is "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[09:17] <stdisease> titan_ark, or even 'pgrep cron' , or 'pidof cron' .. looks like it's running
[09:17] <sanderj> I cant see that /etc/default/grub exists.. how to I change the kernel back?
[09:17] <mrpink57> peleg: I think we're maybe understand two different things.  If your system is already up to date then nothing will happen.  As I asked before are you expecting a update?  Something you know is out of date?
[09:18] <sanderj> do I*
[09:18] <rww> g0tcha: if the directory /var/log/installer/ exists, you could look at the timestamp of the files in there. "ls -l /var/log/installer/" would do that.
[09:18] <theadmin> AdvoWork: Permission you specified is 620.
[09:18] <titan_ark> pgrep cron gives me 3 process ids!
[09:18] <CDlx> hi
[09:18] <iceroot> AdvoWork: r=4,w=2,x=1  r-x = r+x = 4+1 so its the number 5
[09:18] <peleg> mrpink57, I do not expect an update. I expect an UPGRADE. that is, an upgrade of my system to 8.04.
[09:19] <titan_ark> stdisease, theadmin what do you suggest i do next?
[09:19] <peleg> everything is up to date -- besides my Ubuntu itself :)
[09:19] <mrpink57> peleg: what are you on now?
[09:19] <stdisease> theadmin, 640 u mean rwx the order
[09:19] <peleg> mrpink57, 7.10
[09:19] <iceroot> AdvoWork: rwxr-x--- = (4+2+1) (4+0+1) (0+0+0) = chmod 750
[09:20] <theadmin> stdisease: Err, right. Keep messing them up. 640, yes
[09:20] <alankila> yeah, that laptop's a goner
[09:20] <AdvoWork> theadmin, ok, so what about drwxr-x---  would that be: 750?
[09:20] <g0tcha> rww, thanks that did it
[09:21] <theadmin> AdvoWork: 750... Yeah
[09:21] <iceroot> AdvoWork: i told you already
[09:21] <stdisease> AdvoWork, use stat <file> to find out the number
[09:21] <alankila> after removing the drive from the md, Linux flagged the entire device as unavailable, so I could no longer do anything with it, even add it back to multiple device. So I lost the functional boot sector. Thanks, linux md.
[09:21] <stdisease> AdvoWork, in case you can't figure it from the symbolic representation
[09:21] <theadmin> what is the Linux analog of DOS/Windows command "TYPE"? (print file contents to STDOUT)
[09:21] <jemark> peleg, 8.04 is old...
[09:21] <stdisease> theadmin, cat
[09:21] <theadmin> stdisease: Thanks
[09:21] <peleg> jemark, well, I have to upgrade step by step
[09:21] <iceroot> theadmin: cat filename
[09:22] <mrpink57> peleg: after doing a slight google it says do an update restart then do another update
[09:22] <Entelin> theadmin, also know about   tail and head
[09:22] <alankila> This "remove a partition from md and linux disables it completely" is one of the things I hate most about linux md. I have seen it before. I don't understand it.
[09:22] <AdvoWork> ive got: -rwxr-x---  1 zimbra zimbra    5 2010-02-19 09:06 test1.txt  and im doing chmod 750 test1.txt and its still: -rwxr-x---  1 zimbra zimbra    5 2010-02-19 09:06 test1.txt
[09:22] <jemark> peleg, where have u been the last few years, lol
[09:22] <peleg> mrpink57, ok, I'll try that. thanks.
[09:23] <stdisease> theadmin, if you also want to view the file (not just print to stdout) use 'less'
[09:23] <stdisease> theadmin, less is a pun on 'more' which is the original utility but that's probably too much trivia for the day
[09:23] <theadmin> stdisease: Yeah know about less/more/most, as well as "view" and "nano -v"
[09:23] <justin22885> whats the apt-get install for the xorg?
[09:24] <stdisease> justin22885, 'sudo apt-get install xorg' should do it I'd wager
[09:25] <ardchoille> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[09:25] <stdisease> justin22885, if you can't figure out what package name, 'apt-cache search <keyword>'
[09:25] <RPG_Master> Well, I've screwed up my Grub. Now computer hangs at "Loading Grub..."   This is after a stop mid-way through a really long fsck. What did I do and how do I fix it?
[09:25]  * EvilDennisR is bored and here to answer luser questions!
[09:26] <justin22885> xorg is installing now... whats the command for the full gnome package though? not the ubuntu desktop, just gnome itself
[09:26] <kthomas_vh> !gnome
[09:26] <guntbert> AdvoWork: to my eyes that looks ok - 750=rwxr-x---, d=directory, what do you want to do?
[09:26] <ardchoille> justin22885: you need to learn to search the apt cache: apt-cache search -n gnome
[09:27] <alankila> If only I had had a foresight to partition a /boot partition when I made the partitions... But I thought I'll leave the space unpartitioned. *kicks himself*
[09:27] <EvilDennisR> justin22885: the ubuntu-desktop package is a wrapper package that requires all of the "gnome" packages
[09:27] <RPG_Master> So, any help?
[09:27] <titan_ark> ardchoille, could you give me an example of a working cron command?
[09:27] <LSD|Ninja> Anyone know how to make opera display flash content nder amd64? The plugin is installed (first thing I do after updating is alawys install the restricted-extras) and sounds is OK, I just get no picture. Any ideas?
[09:27] <titan_ark> mine does not seem to be working
[09:27] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: fsck fails?
[09:28] <EvilDennisR> LSD|Ninja: flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree installed, yeah?
[09:28] <ardchoille> titan_ark:  00,30 * * * * echo "hi"  # that runs echo "hi" every half hour of every day
[09:28] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: What? After hard-killing my laptop mid-way through the fsck. So now I can't do anything without using a livecd.
[09:28] <LSD|Ninja> EvilDennisR: They installed as part of the restricted-extras afaik
[09:28] <LSD|Ninja> EvilDennisR: It also works fine in Arora
[09:28] <RPG_Master> fsck didn't fail, I failed :(
[09:28] <ardchoille> titan_ark: Did you read my crontab tutorial? it's written for new users
[09:28] <EvilDennisR> LSD|Ninja: not sure, I don't use opera, someone else will have to help you =(
[09:29] <AdvoWork> guntbert, basically i just want to make my test.txt file exactly the same as: drwxr-x---  6
[09:29] <anonymous> Thanks to ubuntu now my whole school use it everyday
[09:29] <stdisease> RPG_Master, lol, well you should probably finish the fsck run for the moment
[09:29] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: so, tell me the whole issue
[09:29] <EvilDennisR> anonymous++
[09:29] <titan_ark> ardchoille, yes i did. i am trying 57 12 * * * env DISPLAY=:0 /usr/bin/xvnc4viewer > /home/amit/cronlogs/testlog.log doesnt seem to do anything
[09:29] <guntbert> AdvoWork: that is not possible - the first d means the entry is a directory and not a regular file
[09:29] <titan_ark> i have been changing the time to ah crap got it
[09:29] <justin22885> im going to go for now, ill be on later
[09:30] <titan_ark> wtf
[09:30] <stdisease> titan_ark, '>' is a shell construct
[09:30] <bmhm> hello there. Got an Issue with psi client. On startup it shows pictures of all gpg-keys, then it doesn't show my private key at all
[09:30] <AdvoWork> guntbert, sorry, i was being a mong
[09:30] <justin22885> before i go.. i just want to know what i need for pure, full gnome without the ubuntu stuff
[09:30] <mrpink57> titan_ark: do you have a gui option for crontab, for some CRAZY reason in Arch I do?!
[09:30] <guntbert> AdvoWork: np ;-)
[09:31] <EvilDennisR> justin22885: erm... maybe just install metacity? I'm sure that will require a bunch of gnome stuff
[09:31] <titan_ark> stdisease, so it wont work?
[09:31] <titan_ark> mrpink57, ah, no idea, quite a noob you see :P
[09:31] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: wtf you trying to do with vncviewer and cron?
[09:31] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: I really can't say any more details...
[09:31] <bharatbobba> I have a Dell studio 15. i changed the power management on battery when the lid is closed from suspend to blank screen but when i open the lid it hangs... whats the best setting?
[09:31] <wilson> why is it i can't change my resolution? every time i reboot, it keeps on coming back to its default
[09:31] <guntbert> !language | EvilDennisR
[09:31] <stdisease> titan_ark, I'd say not
[09:31] <RPG_Master> stdisease: How can I? Through a livecd?
[09:32] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: uh, well come on, what is the whole issue?  Not one in /etc/cron.d/ or something?
[09:32] <titan_ark> stdisease, but i saw it on the help page. to output a log
[09:33] <tasslehoff> I'm connecting to a server where I have another username. I have made sure the uid matches, but still have weird issues. Is it important that the gid matches as well?
[09:33] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, nope, i added this after doing a crontab -e
[09:33] <guntbert> EvilDennisR: exactly - and please stay polite too
[09:33] <ardchoille> titan_ark:  33 01 * * * env DISPLAY=:0 gnome-calculator
[09:33] <ardchoille> titan_ark: of course change the time
[09:34] <peleg> mrpink57, back to Earth; no change. I get the same results; no upgrade.
[09:34] <EvilDennisR> guntbert: I thought saying wteff _was_ being "nice", y'know, vs saying the complete acronym, but whatever..
[09:34] <mrpink57> peleg: sorry man but I dont have anymore answers, this is a big irc channel hope someone else can help.
[09:34] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Before that I was trying to upgrade my NVIDIA drivers... and junk went wrong :( I ran "sudo shutdown now" in the terminal, after waiting 10 minutes for it to shutdown completely I hard-killed it....
[09:34] <titan_ark> ardchoille, done and waiting, we seem to be on the same side of the globe :)
[09:34] <guntbert> EvilDennisR: no, we don't care for abbreviations of that kind either
[09:34] <wilson> why is it i can't change my resolution? every time i reboot, it keeps on coming back to its default
[09:35] <peleg> mrpink57, thanks :)
[09:35] <ardchoille> titan_ark: That crontab line works here
[09:35] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: \n is obviously a new line in your crontab: SHELL=/bin/sh\n DISPLAY=":0.0"\n 33 01 * * * gnome-calculator
[09:36] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: minus the whitespace after \n
[09:36] <titan_ark> ardchoille, worked for me too
[09:36] <guntbert> !guidelines > EvilDennisR
[09:36] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, dint quite get you
[09:36] <stdisease> EvilDennisR, some people are touchy, like 7 year olds today don't know how to curse already... it's best to just avoid altogether
[09:37] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Then once I turned it back on I got drop in the root shell repair thing. I ran fsck and got THOUSANDS of things it needed to fix. After sitting there for a whole 10 minutes with the "Y" key pressed down I gave up,  ctrl+c'd it and "shutdown now"'d
[09:37] <ardchoille> titan_ark: my command worked? you're good to go then :)
[09:37] <kemsiro> wilson, you have to write changes to xorg.conf
[09:37] <AdvoWork> how come, when im doing: zimbra@router:~/backup/sessions$ mv test1/ /home/ZimbraBackups/  mv: preserving times for `/home/ZimbraBackups/test1': Operation not permitted mv: preserving permissions for `/home/ZimbraBackups/test1': Operation not permitted   the file is created by the zimbra user, and im mv'ing it with the zimbra user..
[09:37] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: http://www.pidgin.im/nopaste/136
[09:38] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: And then came the "Loading Grub..." hang :(
[09:38] <titan_ark> ardchoille, yes it did, i wonder why i cant get xvnc4viewer to open! :P
[09:39] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: uh, welp, you should of ran fsck -y /dev/hd###
[09:39] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: ^Cing fsck is generally NOT a good idea..
[09:39] <wilson> kemsiro: failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf!
[09:39] <BusMaster> i installed acrobat reader and it has taken over firefox, which uses it to show pdf's within the browser, even though the firefox setting is set to "ask me" for pdf files. how do I fix this?
[09:39] <kemsiro> wilson, edit it with sudo privilege
[09:40] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, sorry, but i am new to this, what exactly does the SHELL = ... do? i dint understand the meaning of what you posted?
[09:40] <kinja-sheep> BusMaster: Look in Firefox setting. Under Applications.
[09:40] <Milos_SD> Hi
[09:40] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Well, now I know... What do now? :(
[09:40] <ardchoille> titan_ark: You don't really need that
[09:40] <Milos_SD> Am I the only one who is having very slow speeds when downloading from the main repo?
[09:40] <wilson> kemsiro: how? new user, sorry
[09:40] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: did you boot up a live-cd and run fsck -y on the drive?
[09:40] <kemsiro> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:40] <guntbert> AdvoWork: mv: preserving... cannot be part of the command
[09:41] <BusMaster> kinja-sheep, Edit->preferences->Applications shows "PDF Document" set to "Always Ask"
[09:41] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Not yet... didn't know I could fsck from a livecd :/
[09:41] <titan_ark> ardchoille, yeah thats true. and how can i output the log of the command that is run to a file? wont the "> pathname" work?
[09:41] <RPG_Master> Will do now.
[09:41] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: SHELL= just specifies what shell is used
[09:41] <jofo> Hello. I remember I’ve been able, with Ubuntu, to type braille characters (from the block U+2800-U+28FF Braille Patterns) by using the keys ASDF JKL; as with a Perkins machine. There’s a keyboard driver for that purpose (in the file /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/brai), but I can’t remember how to activate it. Does anybody have an idea?
[09:41] <BusMaster> kinja-sheep, but it doesn't ask..it just opens the pdf in acrobat within the browser
[09:41] <peleg> I need help here. All I want is to upgrade from my very old 7.10 to another old version: 8.04. Nothing works. Any advice?
[09:41] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, ah okay
[09:42] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: make sure you run fsck on the correct partition that was having the issue, and not just /dev/hda (or whatever your drive is)
[09:42] <jofo> If I use setxkbmap brai, I won’t be able to go back to the other keyboard layouts listed in System>Preference>Keyboard>Layouts. Then I rather look for a mean to add it to that layout list. Unfortunately, those drivers are classified by countries or by language, and it seems nothing has been planned for braille.
[09:43] <shashwat> Hi! what's up?
[09:43] <kryl> hi
[09:43] <EvilDennisR> !hi > shashwat
[09:43] <EvilDennisR> !hi > kryl
[09:43] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Well, my hard drive only has a main partition and a swap partition. So do I just stick in an Ubuntu livecd, open a terminal and then type fsck?
[09:43] <wilson> kemsiro: there are ony 8 lines
[09:43] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: IDE or scsi drive?
[09:44] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: should be fsck -y /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1 if its scsi
[09:44] <ardchoille> titan_ark: the ">" works here too
[09:44] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: ...the kinda drive a 2008 laptop would have :P
[09:44] <RPG_Master> I don't know
[09:44] <RPG_Master> I think /dev/hda1
[09:44] <titan_ark> ardchoille, okay shall try that. trying an rsync now.
[09:45] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: fsck will not do anything if its not the right drive specified
[09:45] <kemsiro> wilson, i used nvidia driver. i don't know what ur using. in my case, in order to use the resolution 1024x768, i specified it in "screen" section with Option         "metamodes" "1024x768 +0+0"
[09:45] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: so its one or the other =)
[09:45] <RPG_Master> ok
[09:45] <RPG_Master> :P
[09:45] <titan_ark> ardchoille, wohooo the rsync works!!!
[09:45] <Xintruder> Hi
[09:45] <titan_ark> ardchoille, now time for trying the log file =)
[09:46] <EvilDennisR> !hi > Xintruder
[09:46] <ardchoille> titan_ark: 44 01 * * * ls /home/ardchoille > /home/ardchoille/test.txt  # this worked fine
[09:46] <wilson> kemsiro: 1280x1024
[09:47] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: how is that crontab not working? You know that cron gets run every minute, and if you've specified the minute that you're in, it won't run -- yeah?
[09:47] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: and you have to exit the editor you're in so crontab can check in your crontab -- yeah?
[09:48] <wilson> kemsiro: ection "Screen"
[09:48] <wilson> 	Identifier	"Configured Screen Device"
[09:48] <wilson> 	DefaultDepth	24
[09:48] <wilson> EndSection
[09:48] <wilson> Section "Device"
[09:48] <wilson> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[09:48] <FloodBot1> wilson: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:48] <peleg> Documentation here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades -- does not help.
[09:48] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, I am always trying to run something after a 2 minute wait and i close the editor after making the edit
[09:48] <kemsiro> wilson, yup in Screen section
[09:49] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: you know its  m h  dom mon dow for the crontab, yeah ?
[09:49] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: minute, hour, day of month, month, day of week
[09:49] <titan_ark> ardchoille, yes the txt file was successfully created =) now i need to figure out how not to wipe out the contents of the file and ensure all data goind from new line
[09:49] <wilson> kemsiro: http://paste.ubuntu.com/379633/
[09:49] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, :) yes i do
[09:50] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: paste me your crontab again
[09:50] <ardchoille> titan_ark: use ">>" instead of ">", for append instead of overwrite
[09:50] <hrwath> hello
[09:50] <EvilDennisR> titan_ark: > will overwrite the file, >> will append to the file
[09:50] <EvilDennisR> !hi > hrwath
[09:50] <hrwath> anyone uses komodo for editing?
[09:50] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, its working now, just that its unanble to run the vncviewer but it does what i need
[09:50] <jackbrown> IS THERE anybody available to HELP ME ?
[09:50] <davidekholm> Hi. I'm the founder of Jalbum (http://jalbum.net). We've just adopted our web photo album software for Ubuntu
[09:51] <titan_ark> ardchoille, EvilDennisR oh okay cool! thanks will try that
[09:51] <hrwath> my right alt key, right super and left super acts like left arrow
[09:51] <jackbrown> davide sei ITALIANO ?
[09:51] <davidekholm> I wonder if anyone here can provide me guidance on how to get Jalbum into Ubuntu's "Ubuntu Software Center"
[09:51] <ardchoille> davidekholm: /join #ubuntu-motu
[09:51] <peleg> I just can't upgrade. I am stuck with 7.10. Forever.
[09:51] <ardchoille> !motu
[09:51] <Myrtti> !it | jackbrown
[09:52] <bmhm> An kopete-issue: when I use jabber for ICQ transport, I cannot put my contacts into groups. is this a limitation of my transport service or a limitation of kopete?
[09:52] <jackbrown> Myrtti i want to speak english to i need HELP
[09:52] <jackbrown> Myrtti can u help me ?
[09:52] <wilson> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!
[09:53] <ngirard> Hi folks. Sorry for this off-topic question. Do you know of any extension that would allow me to select an arbitrary rectangular selection in a page and save it as html ?
[09:53] <jackbrown> Hi there i  have a program that starts when the system starts how can i stop that ?
[09:53] <brummbaer> ngirard: firebug's the closest i can think of...
[09:54] <user23> hi, how can i make changes to my xorg.cfg file ? user mode wont lemme write
[09:54] <brummbaer> it let's you view source, and as you mouse over the page it'll highlight the relevant code section in firebug
[09:54] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: update-rc.d remove -f whateverprogram
[09:54] <ngirard> Hi brummbaer, and thanks for your suggestion. I'll check this out right now !
[09:55] <Ravikant> !GNOME | tuxattack
[09:55] <ardchoille> user23: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf  # but be VERY careful with that
[09:55] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: oops, my bad update-rc.d -f whateverprogram remove
[09:55] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: I always type it backwards
[09:55] <brummbaer> :D enjoy ngirard, that and noscript are my favorite plugins
[09:55] <wilson> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'! <--- im getting this error while saving after i change my resolution
[09:55] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: whateverprogram is the name of the program thats getting run thats in /etc/init.d/
[09:55] <ngirard> brummbaer: ... let aside adblock, of course !
[09:56] <jackbrown> update-rc.d -f <whateverprogram> remove
[09:56] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: ...I'm assuming you mean a service, and not something that gets started by metacity, yeah?
[09:56] <jackbrown> i this the command to remove the program from the start list
[09:56] <jackbrown> EvilDennisR it's TOR
[09:56] <jackbrown> EvilDennisR do you know it ?
[09:56] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: negative
[09:56] <brummbaer> ngirard: excellent point. :D
[09:57] <jackbrown> http://www.torproject.org/index.html.en
[09:57] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: ...sooo, is it in /etc/init.d/ ?
[09:57] <titan_ark> EvilDennisR, ardchoille thanks a ton it works
[09:58] <ardchoille> titan_ark: yw :)
[09:58] <titan_ark> ardchoille, would you know why the vncviewer dint work?
[09:58] <jackbrown> EvilDennisR yes it's in there  i found a file called TOR in that directory
[09:58] <jackbrown> EvilDennisR gksudo nautilus   > then cancel that file ?
[09:58] <ardchoille> titan_ark: no idea. Does xvnc4viewer need switches?
[09:59] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: so run the update-rc.d command like I said, and that will stop it from getting started when you rmachine boots up
[09:59] <titan_ark> ardchoille, no idea :D how about opening a text file in gedit? even that dint work for me!
[09:59] <user23> ardchoille , 10x!
[09:59] <jackbrown> EvilDennisR i already did that but the program is still running i suppose that this is normal cos i will not start whe the machine will start again. Correct ?
[09:59] <ardchoille> user23: yw :)
[10:00] <EvilDennisR> jackbrown: Yeah, you can stop it with /etc/init.d/toswhatever stop
[10:00] <dinosaurvskitten> any recommendations for a tool that would automagically upload my digital camera's videos to youtube? I don't really feel like tweaking mencoder settings by hand...
[10:00] <ardchoille> titan_ark: 00 02 * * * env DISPLAY=:0 gedit  ?
[10:00] <Petein> hi. i want a program to be able to share my screen with more than 1 people. Like skype lets you have a conversation with more than 2 people at the same time. any ideas?
[10:01] <syrius> why wasn't ubuntu added the open source broadcom drivers?
[10:01] <titan_ark> ardchoille, hmmm i was trying to use it to create a file at a particular path and open up also :P
[10:01] <enkidu> hi there
[10:02] <anglewings> broadcom.com
[10:02] <ardchoille> titan_ark: 00 02 * * * env DISPLAY=:0 touch /path/file && gedit /path/file
[10:02] <ngirard> brummbaer: after an extensive (and boring) search among firefox extensions, here's my take: ScrapBook https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/427
[10:02] <anglewings> have driver for ubuntu
[10:02] <peleg> please, someone? I really need help upgrading ubuntu...
[10:03] <enkidu> I have problem. On my ubuntu / kubuntu (not relevant) udev is not starting before mountall, so I have to start it manually every time, I am booting
[10:03] <syrius> why wasn't ubuntu added this http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/
[10:03] <ardchoille> titan_ark: actually, you don't need to do that, you can just "gedit" and then choose where to save the file when closing
[10:03] <EvilDennisR> peleg: from 7.10 or something you said ?
[10:03] <syrius> doesn't ubuntu not care for open source drivers?
[10:03] <anglewings> apt-get update
[10:03] <nathan7> They do.
[10:03] <syrius> does*
[10:03] <titan_ark> aha! the && was missing! and what is the 'touch' for?
[10:03] <bmhm> An kopete-issue: when I use jabber for ICQ transport, I cannot put my contacts into groups. is this a limitation of my transport service or a limitation of kopete?
[10:03] <peleg> EvilDennisR, yes, to 8.04
[10:03] <anglewings> you can upgrading yourself ubuntu
[10:03] <ikonia> peleg: you have to go through each version, eg: 7.10->8.04->8.10->9.04->etc
[10:03] <syrius> then why is it no in the repository?
[10:03] <ardchoille> titan_ark: touch file = create file
[10:03] <titan_ark> ardchoille, hmm got that
[10:03] <peleg> ikonia, I know
[10:03] <ardchoille> titan_ark: actually, you don't need to do that, you can just "gedit" and then choose where to save the file when closing
[10:04] <ikonia> peleg: ok - so what's the issue ?
[10:04] <syrius> http://www.ing.unibs.it/openfwwf/ is open source driver for broadcom wifi cards
[10:04] <EvilDennisR> peleg: update-manager doesn't have a upgrade thing on there? Or is that busted
[10:04] <titan_ark> ardchoille, yup got it =) thx a bunch!!!
[10:04] <syrius> ubuntu needs to add it to its repository
[10:04] <ardchoille> titan_ark: gedit opens with an empty file be default, you can just save it when closing and forego the "touch" command
[10:04] <ikonia> syrius: no it doesn't
[10:04] <syrius> it works great on my card
[10:04] <enkidu> syrius, you can package it ;)
[10:04] <ikonia> syrius: it's very early and not very stable
[10:04] <syrius> yes it is
[10:04] <syrius> I use it everyday
[10:04] <ikonia> syrius: wow - your card works, so it's stable
[10:04] <syrius> it works great with my card
[10:04] <peleg> following the documentation here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades did not help -- it halts every time with an error message. Someone here adviced using apt-get upgrade, but that does nothing.
[10:05] <rww> ubottu: wfm | syrius
[10:05] <syrius> for some cards it doesn't work well
[10:05] <syrius> for mine it is stable
[10:05] <peleg> EvilDennisR, it has, but it does not work.
[10:05] <syrius> some other cards it isn't so stable
[10:05] <ikonia> syrius: it needs to mature (most probably)
[10:05] <titan_ark> ardchoille, cool. now i can set up my back up everyday and a popup when its done :P next thing to do is for me to figure out how to backup to an online server! this is fun
[10:05] <ikonia> syrius: ok, so that's why it's probably not included at this time
[10:05] <enkidu> syrius: package it, call for testing repository
[10:05] <ikonia> peleg: what's the error message
[10:05] <enkidu> or rather "experimental"
[10:05] <anglewings> how to delete KDE
[10:06] <syrius> it is in the trisquel distro by default
[10:06] <ikonia> syrius: so ?
[10:06] <brummbaer> nice find ngirard, that looks lots more managable.
[10:06] <ardchoille> titan_ark: Keep that attitude :)
[10:06] <syrius> it works automatically when I bootup from it
[10:06] <ikonia> syrius: you're ussing ubuntu - it's not in this distro at this time
[10:06] <enkidu> anglewings: remove kdelibs5
[10:06] <syrius> yes I know that
[10:06] <EvilDennisR> peleg: So, heres a total hack: make a live-cd, boot it up, use gparted and resize your drive so you have two partitions, one for / and one for /home -- /home being the bigger size -- then install 8.04 (or whatever) onto the smaller partition, and use the other as /home
[10:06] <syrius> trisquel is based on ubuntu though ikonia
[10:06] <ikonia> syrius: again - so ?
[10:06] <obscurant1st> i installed backtrack without installing a bootloader, but i had ubuntu 9.10 in my system with grub2, but after installing backtrack 4 now it says grub loading error: unknown filesystem
[10:06] <syrius> just letting you know
[10:06] <ikonia> syrius: ubuntu developers have chosen not to include it at this time
[10:07] <obscurant1st> somebody pls help me!
[10:07] <syrius> :(
[10:07] <wilson> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'! <--- im getting this error while saving after i change my resolution
[10:07] <peleg> ikonia, "A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of network problem, please check your network connection and retry." and then a list containing lines like "Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found"
[10:07] <anglewings> thank you
[10:07] <ardchoille> titan_ark: you might want to look into "zenity", it makes nice popup messages and is configurable. I think it's in the repos
[10:07] <ikonia> peleg: have you changed your sources.list file to point to hardy ?
[10:07] <EvilDennisR> wilson: you the one who pastbin that xorg.conf earlier ?
[10:07] <ikonia> peleg: as 8.04 is not on the old-releases server
[10:07] <titan_ark> ardchoille, iv had enough of giving up when things dont work the first few times. its time for a complete migration from windows :D
[10:07] <titan_ark> ardchoille, ah cool shall check it out
[10:08] <wilson> EvilDennisR: yes
[10:08] <peleg> ikonia, my sources file has lines like that: "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted universe multiverse
[10:08] <EvilDennisR> wilson: Was that you're _entire_ xorg.conf ??
[10:08] <ikonia> peleg: did YOU change your sources.list file ?
[10:08] <ardchoille> titan_ark: install zenity and then read the man page, there are some examples there.. you'll like it :)
[10:08] <wilson> EvilDennisR: yes, thats my entire xorg
[10:08] <ikonia> peleg: hardy (8.04) is NOT on the old-releases.ubuntu.com server - so did you change that to point at hardy ?
[10:08] <peleg> ikonia, no, there was a question on the process asking me "yes/no", where yes means that the file will be changed.
[10:09] <EvilDennisR> wilson: You need more stuff than that dude!
[10:09] <EvilDennisR> wilson: copy that stuff somewhere, then run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:09] <EvilDennisR> wilson: then paste in your stuff accordingly
[10:09] <ikonia> peleg: ok - well, there is your problem, hardy is not on the old-releases.ubuntu.com server as it's a current release
[10:09] <AdvoWork> ive got exec > /home/Scripts/script_log.log 2>&1 in a .sh file, whats that do?
[10:10] <peleg> ikonia, I have tried to change "old-releases" to "releases" manually (as someone here suggested), but it did not help.
[10:10] <ikonia> peleg: that's not a valid server
[10:10] <EvilDennisR> AdvoWork: exec??
[10:10] <peleg> oh.
[10:10] <ikonia> peleg: actually - it is valid
[10:11] <AdvoWork> EvilDennisR, does that write all output to script_log.log?
[10:11] <peleg> oh.
[10:11] <ikonia> peleg: change it to releases.ubuntu.com and do a "sudo apt-get update"
[10:11] <ripdisk> can someone do me a favor and tell me if they can connect via ssh to <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:11] <ikonia> peleg: ahh, sorry, it's not valid, my mistake
[10:11] <ikonia> ripdisk: please don't ask for that sort of thing
[10:11] <ardchoille> ikonia: that's not valid for packages is it?
[10:11] <EvilDennisR> AdvoWork: Yeah, but typically you should replace exec with some other program
[10:11] <ikonia> ardchoille: I know, just noticed
[10:11] <wilson> EvilDennisR: after sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:11] <ardchoille> ok
[10:12] <wilson> EvilDennisR: next step please
[10:12] <EvilDennisR> wilson: add in DefaultDepth24
[10:12] <ikonia> peleg: you need to point your sources.list at a valid ubuntu repository server
[10:12] <EvilDennisR> wilson: to the screen section, and nvidia to the device section
[10:12] <AdvoWork> Evil_DuDe, its a script im writing and putting as a cronjob, so i need to see the output of whats happening, any suggestions instead of exec then?
[10:12] <EvilDennisR> wilson: the stuff you had in pastebin was correct -- You just didn't have anything else that X needs to run
[10:12] <ardchoille> ikonia: can he just use archive.ubuntu.com  ?
[10:12] <ikonia> ardchoille: don't see why not, I think that's even load balanced too
[10:13] <ardchoille> yeah
[10:13] <peleg> ikonia, like "http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/" ?
[10:13] <ripdisk> ikonia: it's my ip
[10:13] <EvilDennisR> AdvoWork: You know, if you type in evil and then hit tab, it will autocomplete my name
[10:13] <ikonia> peleg: that's perfect
[10:13] <ikonia> ripdisk: great, so you can test it yourself
[10:13] <ripdisk> ikonia: i'm trying to test something, i can't connect to my own ip but someone else said that they were able to
[10:13] <ripdisk> and i'd like a second oppinion..
[10:13] <AdvoWork> EvilDennisR, sorry, any suggestions
[10:14] <EvilDennisR> AdvoWork: * * * * someprogram > /home/advowork/output 2>&1
[10:14] <ikonia> ripdisk: http://www.websitepulse.com/help/tools.php
[10:14] <wilson> EvilDennisR: sorry, don't what to do...
[10:14] <EvilDennisR> AdvoWork: That will be your crontab
[10:14] <wilson> EvilDennisR: sorry, don't know what to do...
[10:14] <EvilDennisR> wilson: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:14] <Krewl> Good morning, anyone available with expertise on migrating PostGreSQL from 8.2 to 8.3 after a gutsy --> hardy upgrade
[10:14] <ripdisk> ikonia: i'm trying to test ssh in specific.
[10:15] <illyume> Guhhh
[10:15] <ikonia> ripdisk: yes, so use that tool to test port 22
[10:15] <enkidu> so... anyone know, why init is not starting udev before mountall?
[10:15] <EvilDennisR> wilson: Then add in the stuff you had pasted in pastebin -- Don't just paste it in blindly, ADD the lines that are missing to the correct sections
[10:15] <illyume> I'm having SUCH a freaking hard time connecting my windows mobile phone to Ubuntu....
[10:15] <Krewl> Update went simple with apt-get dist upgrade after chaning sources.list
[10:15] <ardchoille> peleg: but the security packages need to be security.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <ikonia> ardchoille: nice spot
[10:15] <ardchoille> ty
[10:15] <Krewl> So now I have an empty postgres 8.3 and a still running 8.2 postgres DB with my data
[10:16] <wilson> EvilDennisR: Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" -- using "application/octet-stream"
[10:16] <peleg> ardchoille, thanks
[10:16] <ripdisk> ikonia: that is very very helpful, thank you so frickin much
[10:16] <EvilDennisR> WHAT
[10:16] <AdvoWork> EvilDennisR, whats 2>&1 opens 2 for redirection, dont get that
[10:16] <EvilDennisR> AdvoWork: 2>&1 means redirect error output to the stdoutput
[10:16] <EvilDennisR> wilson: How the hell did you get that error? sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:17] <peleg> ikonia, now, sudo apt-get update gives me "E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:17] <Krewl> xorg.conf is just a textfile
[10:17] <ardchoille> !gksudo | Evil_DuDe wilson
[10:17] <ikonia> ripdisk: your welcome
[10:17] <EvilDennisR> peleg: Thats because 7.10 isn't supported anymore =(
[10:17] <ikonia> EvilDennisR: he's upgraded to 8
[10:17] <EvilDennisR> hurray!
[10:18] <ardchoille> Evil_DuDe: sorry, that was meant for EvilDennisR
[10:18] <peleg> ikonia, should I apt-get upgrade withput updating, then?
[10:18] <ardchoille> peleg: update first
[10:18] <ikonia> peleg: no, update
[10:18] <EvilDennisR> I just assume everyone is typing commands into a terminal
[10:18] <peleg> but I can't update :(
[10:18] <EvilDennisR> ikonia: He's _trying_ to upgrade to 8.04 I thought
[10:18] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: still needs gksudo, even in term
[10:18] <peleg> EvilDennisR, I am
[10:18] <ripdisk> so ikonia, with that being said, the connection is working... is there any reason why i wouldn't be able to connect to my own public IP?
[10:19] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: says who!
[10:19] <ripdisk> but the tests come out OK
[10:19] <GABBAR> hey guys, i just installed karmic my wireless is working great on gnome, but i just installed e17, wireless doesn't seem to work any ideas ?
[10:19] <ardchoille> !gksudo > EvilDennisR
[10:19] <wilson> EvilDennisR: the content of my xorg.conf is just the same with the content of the pastebin
[10:19] <anglewings> any body help me install desktop not kde
[10:20] <Krewl> No one for this one:  anyone available with expertise on migrating PostGreSQL from 8.2 to 8.3 after a gutsy --> hardy upgrade
[10:20] <alankila> GABBAR: e17 doesn't start network manager applet would be my guess, so you don't get a connection.
[10:20] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: Right, but sudo gedit still works..
[10:20] <peleg> ardchoille, when I have old-releases... I can update, but can't upgrade. to upgrade, I need to change old-releases to us.archive (for example) -- but then I can't update. How do I fix that loop?
[10:20] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: Are you going by what you know, or just from what you've heard in here?
[10:20] <GABBAR> alankila, k lemme try starting it
[10:21] <jmmmp> Hi, am new here. May I pose a question about audio? Somehow I made my headset microphone to sound always distorted. do you know how to restore audio settings to the default? thinkpad, jaunty, alsa+oss
[10:21] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: please provide proper advice, that means gksudo for gui apps and sudo for cli apps only. You can do whatever yoiu want with your system
[10:21] <EvilDennisR> wilson: ...did you run the dpkg command first?
[10:21]  * alankila thinks e17, and all the other window managers / des are mostly just a failfest. The open source community can barely make one thing work well if they try very hard: having a 10 different options practically guarantees no one of them will work.
[10:21] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: if you would read the page ubottu posted, you'd know why
[10:21] <GABBAR> alankila, ermm how i start the network manager applet manualy ?
[10:22] <wilson> EvilDennisR: yes , sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg, then sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:22] <alankila> GABBAR: I just hinted at the answer: not worth finding out. Just use GNOME :)
[10:22] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: You didn't answer my question -- sudo gedit still works if you're running it in a terminal -- I _DID_ read that page, it only says its an issue for firefox and other applications, NOT for something like gedit
[10:22] <GABBAR> alankila, i wanna use e17,
[10:22] <alankila> GABBAR: but if you are adventurous, try "nm-applet" from command line. It either starts or fails.
[10:22] <EvilDennisR> wilson: ..and only what you had in pastebin is in there?
[10:22] <ikonia> ripdisk: firewall, not listening on the right network config etc, test it with ssh localhost make sure it's actually responding ok
[10:22] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: please provide proper advice, that means gksudo for gui apps and sudo for cli apps only. You can do whatever you want with your system
[10:23] <alankila> GABBAR: or maybe it's called network-manager-applet or Network-Manager-applet. I'm not quite sure what they call that little thing.
[10:23] <wilson> EvilDennisR: ya, same content
[10:23] <GABBAR> nm-applet it is
[10:23] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: feel free to discuss this with the ops in #ubuntu-ops, it's channel policy
[10:23] <AdvoWork> I've got a cronjob running as: /home/Scripts/zimbra_full_backup.sh /home/Scripts/zimbra_full_backup_log.log 2>&1  running as the zimbra user(it must), and get the error: Error occurred: system failure: Unable to create directory /home/ZimbraBackups/tmp/full-20100219.102035.713/sys  any ideas why?  what permissions should /home/ZimbraBackups/ have in order to allow me to make any dir or sub dir?
[10:23] <Logicwax> anyone here good with raid arrays?
[10:23] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: So you can't actually answer my question..
[10:23] <Logicwax> got a bad situation here, that i keep reading such conflicting info about on the messageboards
[10:23] <GABBAR> alankila, well i guess its running, but since i can't see it anywhere hehehe
[10:23] <LSD|Ninja> How do I remove the executable bit from a bunch of files copied from an NTFS partition while retaining it on the directories?
[10:23] <alankila> GABBAR: if it starts, then good. You can probably force it to start somehow at beginning of session. If it doesn't work, you're probably out of luck with respect to that.
[10:23] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: it's channel policy <-- your answer
[10:24] <alankila> GABBAR: and I state again: don't use e17.  Nonsense. Just wastes time.
[10:24] <GABBAR> alankila hmm
[10:24] <Logicwax> well i just didnt want to interrupt with lots of lines
[10:24] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: You should join #guifications and check our their channel policy
[10:24] <GABBAR> alankila, ok, can ya help me on a related topic ?/
[10:24] <Logicwax> hoping someone can help me before i screw up my data
[10:24] <Logicwax> I'm running Karmic koala....and i also have a raid5 softarray using a cheap silicon image sata pci card
[10:24] <nibbler> AdvoWork, the directory and all subs should belong to its user
[10:24] <LSD|Ninja> EvilDennisR: Won'tthat remove it from directoriwes as well, or has it grown some brains since the last time I needed to do this?
[10:24] <GABBAR> alankila, if i don't wanna use nm=applet for using my wireless on gnome, what are the alternatives ?
[10:25] <Logicwax> 3x 1.5TB disks in the array.    well one of the drives failed
[10:25] <nibbler> Logicwax, thats why you should put it all in one line
[10:25] <alankila> By the way, is e17 the enlightenment version they've been working on for at least 5 years? Or is it more now?
[10:25] <Logicwax>  I originally made the array by going into the RAID setup util on bootup (the bios inside the raid card) and setting up a raid5 array......ubuntu automatically mapped it to a /dev/mapper address, in fact here was the line from my fstab
[10:25] <GABBAR> alankila, i tried wicd on gnome, it detected by wireless, but never connected, it authenticated etc. but always got stuck on the getting ip address part
[10:25] <EvilDennisR> LSD|Ninja: chmod -R -x directory/ should ignore directories... but now that you say that, I'm not 100% on that =)
[10:25] <GABBAR> alankila, hehe no idea
[10:25] <Logicwax> "/dev/mapper/sil_bgabdiajccbc /media/vanix               ext4    defaults       1 2"
[10:25] <tpp> Hi I run a small network of ubuntu karmic computers and I came in this morning and one of them had hung. Looking in the logs I found someone (or a script i guess) had tried to log into the machine via SSH with  many different user names and then suddenly the machine died. The other machines on the network also experienced the same attack but did not die. I'm trying to find out why this individual machine died and not the other - can anyone suggest something?
[10:25] <alankila> GABBAR: wicd, or somehow configure nm-applet to start the connection even when the applet isn't running. It's possible somehow, but I don't know the tools too well
[10:26] <GABBAR> alankila, i tried wicd on gnome, it detected by wireless, but never connected, it authenticated etc. but always got stuck on the getting ip address part
[10:26] <Logicwax>  so one of the drives failed....and now all I see in the left column in a gnome folder window is "raid5 array" and when i click on it, it asks "do you want to mount this array in degraded mode?".  I click yes, but nothing happens.  my question to anyone who can help is:  ive read I need to re-create an array using mdadm.   I want to know if this will totally wipe my data
[10:26] <LSD|Ninja> EvilDennisR: I'll give it a shot, I can always recopy them from the source (mounting it with a sane umask/dirmask)...
[10:26] <Shogoot> Heres a intresting question ;)  Any way to find out when a hotmail.com account was created? I know it was 90' sometime, but it would be cool to find out the excact date. Any suggestions how i can find this out?
[10:26] <alankila> GABBAR: well, tells all about how well linux stuff works. There's generally only one thing that works (which is what everyone else is doing). Step outside that, and you're mostly on your own.
[10:26] <theadmin> Hmph. I accidentally disabled wireless, now re-enabled and it hangs on "Device not ready"
[10:26] <EvilDennisR> LSD|Ninja: looks like it -x directories too
[10:26] <AdvoWork> nibbler, what do you mean, im running the cronjob as the zimbra user, so what do i have todo with the destination dir?
[10:26] <nibbler> Logicwax, i'd guess you dont have a mdadm array before, but a fakeraid. you need rais utils of your motherboard to handle this
[10:27] <nibbler> AdvoWork, chown zimbra /home/zimbra -R
[10:27] <LSD|Ninja> EvilDennisR: That's what I thought. I used to have a script for this, but it's in a book that's 100km away right now >_<
[10:27] <Logicwax> nibbler: not part of my mobo...its a addon card i got
[10:27] <Logicwax> also to add, if I type "mdadm --examine /dev/sde"  I see that is disk 1/3 in the raid5 array.   and if I change it to "/dev/sdf" I see that is disk 0 in the array
[10:27] <nibbler> Logicwax, ah ok, then of the addon card! there is tools for stuff like this, but it is not mdadm if its a real raid (also fakeraid is not mdadm)
[10:27] <theadmin> nibbler, AdvoWork, rather sudo chown zimbra:zimbra /home/zimbra -R
[10:28] <wilson> EvilDennisR: whats seems to be wrong with my system?
[10:28] <EvilDennisR> LSD|Ninja: You could do something like for x in `find`; do if [ !-d $x ]; then chmod -x $x; done
[10:28] <Logicwax> oh its not a real raid
[10:28] <neure> hi
[10:28] <Logicwax> its one of those $30 cheapy silicon image softraids
[10:28] <neure> anyone know a channel where to ask about freetype?
[10:28] <EvilDennisR> LSD|Ninja: (double check that if statment, I think its wrong -d is directory)
[10:28] <neure> i dont seem to find a font that would have any kerning info :/
[10:29] <wilson> EvilDennisR: whats seems to be the problem with my system?
[10:29] <EvilDennisR> wilson: ?? mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/ -- then try dpkg --reconfig again
[10:29] <nibbler> Logicwax, ah okays, for that you sould not use a extra controller at all, but rather make linux handle it completely. ok, if it is mdadm raid, then try to strat it in degraded manually and hot-add a new/the old device?
[10:29] <EvilDennisR> ugh, it's almost 5:30
[10:29] <Flipz> I need help with my wireless card...
[10:29] <peleg> ok, so I am back to the start point. Ubuntu, for some reason, does not offer me any possible known way to upgrade from 7.10 at the moment... so it practically means I am stuck with 7.10 forever :)
[10:30] <Flipz> well actually, I need help getting wireless to work on ubuntu
[10:30] <Logicwax> nibbler: well the hdd failed tonight.  this will probably take about 2 weeks to get it replaced.  in the meantime, I'd like to access my data with the other 2 disks left
[10:30] <wilson> EvilDennisR: ok its emty
[10:30] <wilson> EvilDennisR: ok its empty
[10:30] <EvilDennisR> peleg: Repartition your stuff!
[10:30] <nibbler> peleg, just reinstall 9.10 - save your home beforeand thats it
[10:30] <Flipz> can someone PM me with support, I wanna get my wireless working on ubuntu.
[10:30] <cnf> anyone know how to switch desktops while vbox is running full screen?
[10:30] <EvilDennisR> wilson: you mean the dpkg command gave you an empty xorg.conf file?
[10:30] <theadmin> Flipz: It'd be better to ask on channel
[10:30] <Flipz> srys?
[10:30] <LaireTM> Hello,  whe I start my Ubuntu Netbook i see only my Desktop but no menu or something else
[10:30] <ardchoille> !pm | Flipz
[10:30] <Logicwax> nibbler: and like i said, it wasnt made in mdadm originally.   it was created in the card's bios utility upon startup...and ubuntu automatically mapped it to /dev/mapper/sil_bgabdiajccbc
[10:30] <wilson> EvilDennisR: yes
[10:30] <Flipz> K...
[10:30] <EvilDennisR> wilson: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg ?
[10:31] <Flipz> I wanna get my wireless network card to work on ubuntu
[10:31] <Flipz> I have that program...ndwiswrapper or something
[10:31] <theadmin> LaireTM: I think the problem is panel died. Hit alt+f2, type gnome-panel, hit enter
[10:31] <Flipz> but I dunno how 2 install it
[10:31] <wilson> EvilDennisR: yes
[10:31] <peleg> EvilDennisR, nibbler: that means hours of hours of hours of work afterwards; my ubuntu is so customized, it's going to be awful to try and restore everything...
[10:31] <LaireTM> theadmin: alt+f2 dont work
[10:31] <Flipz> anyone know what to do?
[10:31] <cnf> no? hmm
[10:31] <EvilDennisR> peleg: ..typically the upgrades don't work =)
[10:31] <Flipz> it says my netgear card doesn't register
[10:31] <alankila> Logicwax: are you aware of the fact that in RAID, all disks have a tendency to fail at the same time? You are in a very dangerous situation right now.
[10:32] <Krewl> whats the ubuntu offtopic channel?
[10:32] <Logicwax> nibbler: ubuntu is at least smart enough to know that is degraded, AND, it even asks me if I want to mount the degraded array when I click on it in gnome.  but nothing happens
[10:32] <nibbler> peleg, normally you should have all your configs left in homedir, backup your /etc aswell, should be no more than one hour ususally
[10:32] <theadmin> LaireTM: Ah, then it's the window manager.
[10:32] <Flipz> so anyone know what to do?
[10:32] <LaireTM> theadmin: and what do now?
[10:32] <theadmin> Krewl: #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:32] <alankila> Logicwax: unless you have backups
[10:32] <nibbler> Logicwax, i'd try it in the commandline, check mdadm manpages
[10:32] <Flipz> so anyone know what to do?
[10:32] <Flipz> so anyone know what to do?
[10:32] <Logicwax> alankila: yeah...id like to read/access the data though.   even to back it up purposes
[10:32] <peleg> EvilDennisR, but ubuntu upgrades itself twice a year. Don't you think it is really weird (and frustrating) to reinstall your OS twice a year?
[10:32] <Krewl> theadmin: That was ahem.. predictable, but thanx anyway
[10:33] <EvilDennisR> peleg: ..thats why I always put /home/ on its own partition my friend
[10:33] <Gheddy_Zarc> what kind of wireless hub is it Flipz , whta version of Ubuntu are you running ? what kind o f computer is it running on /?
[10:33] <Flipz> I'm running a dell on ubuntu 9.10
[10:33] <theadmin> LarieTM: I dunno... maybe some config file or something, but i really didn't work with UNR...
[10:33] <nibbler> peleg, if you do it twice a year, an upgrde does work fine. its just you didnt do it in 2-3 years :)
[10:34] <peleg> nibbler, for example, I have a custom keyboard layout; for that, I needed to edit a few files in /etc, but I can't remember exactly which -- that was a long time ago. How will I know which files, after reinstalling ubuntu?
[10:34] <EvilDennisR> peleg: that way I can just tgz /etc/, and dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages -- install the new version on /, copy whatever config files to /etc/ and reinstall all the packages I had installed with  sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[10:34] <Logicwax> nibbler: well i did...and thats my question.   if mdadm knows whats up with "--examine" argument, then will i screw up anything if I re-create the array in mdadm?
[10:34] <wilson> EvilDennisR: i tried to save the configuration again
[10:34] <alankila> I had a RAID5 of 4x160 GB disks and 2 of the disks failed just couple of days apart.
[10:34] <wilson> EvilDennisR: save configuration
[10:34] <alankila> Surprisingly, the other 2 have been running for years
[10:34] <Flipz> my netgear is a wg311
[10:34] <Flipz> it's a wireless card
[10:34] <peleg> nibbler, that's not true. I have this computer less then 2 years. I have upgraded to 7.10 about a year ago, after having 7.04 for about 8 months.
[10:35] <nibbler> peleg, 7.x is from 2007
[10:35] <peleg> upgrading from 7.04 to 7.10 took me about a week.
[10:35] <wilson> EvilDennisR: should i use xorg.conf?
[10:35] <EvilDennisR> wilson: sure?
[10:35] <peleg> nibbler, I know, but I bought this laptop with this ubuntu version on it. That's how it was (blame Dell)
[10:35] <Flipz> My wireless card is a NetGear WG311v3 802.11g Wireless PCI adapter
[10:35] <Flipz> And it won't work
[10:35] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: The fsck just got done, I rebooted and now I'm getting "error: file not found" and then a grub rescue prompt. What do I do? :(
[10:35] <Flipz> so how do I make it work on ubuntu?
[10:35] <EvilDennisR> wilson: why dpkg isn't putting anything in xorg.conf is beyond me
[10:35] <nibbler> peleg, ok, dell is to blame then ;-)
[10:36] <alankila> Logicwax: anyway, you can probably -- if the MD is compatible -- use mdadm --asseble /dev/md0 <disk1> <disk2> <disk3> ... etc to rebuild the disk. But this only works if the appropriate superblocks exist.
[10:36] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: You had the raid stuff, right?
[10:36] <peleg> EvilDennisR, I have no idea what's written there :)
[10:36] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: ..I've been drinking tonight. I come in here and answer questions when I'm bored =)
[10:37] <alankila> Logicwax: if they do not, chances are only the motherboard bios setup and associated linux-side kernel modules know how to handle the disks. This is general bane of using the BIOS-driven raids, they aren't always compatible with MD & the code paths used are different.
[10:37] <Flipz> Gheddy_Zarc my card is a My wireless card is a NetGear WG311v3 802.11g Wireless PCI adapter, my version of ubuntu is the latests...I think it's 9.10 and my computer kind isn't important
[10:37] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Nope, I'm the dude who ^C'd a fsck :P
[10:37] <Flipz> so what do i do?
[10:37] <EvilDennisR> peleg: ..and thats why you will have to reinstall your system from scratch my friend
[10:37] <wilson> EvilDennisR: my xorg.conf is empty
[10:37] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: ah right.. .. so type root (hd0,0)
[10:38] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1
[10:38] <ardchoille> wilson: are you sure? did you open /etc/X11/xorg.conf  or  /etc/x11/xorg.conf  (notice the "X)
[10:38] <peleg> EvilDennisR, will you know how to explain me how to put the new keyboard layout back, for example?
[10:38] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: initrc /initrd
[10:38] <FunkyWeasel> Good morning!  I noticed the following error during boot on ibex: mp-bios bug: 8254 timer  not connectied to io-apic .  A bit of reading shows I can disable IOAPIC (device interrupt controller as I understand it) either in BIOS or GRUB.  What rammifications will this have for performance on my desktop machine?
[10:38] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: All on one line?
[10:38] <Flipz> my card is a My wireless card is a NetGear WG311v3 802.11g Wireless PCI adapter, my version of ubuntu is the latests...I think it's 9.10 and my computer kind isn't important but my wireless won't work, so how do I make it work? I downloaded NDwrapper or whatever it's called, what now?
[10:38] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: Naw, enter after each line
[10:38] <RPG_Master> OK
[10:38] <Logicwax> alankila: well mdadm seems to "know whats up" with the two disks.  if I use the --examine argument on the two disks...it gives me all sorts of info about the original raid, how big it was, and what disk number each hdd was in the raid
[10:38] <peleg> but ikonia was on his way of showing me how to upgrade, but then stopped; ikonia: do you agree that upgrading will be impossible for me?
[10:38] <LaireTM> is it possible to reinstall my ubuntu system over network and recovery mode?
[10:38] <EvilDennisR> Damn, the singer from flyleaf is HOT /ADD
[10:39] <ardchoille> !language | EvilDennisR
[10:39] <theadmin> Grah. I got "Ubuntu One" in "Places" after accidentally launching it. How do i get rid of that?
[10:39] <alankila> Logicwax: good. Chances are the mobo raid is compatible. There was some talk about cooperation between various RAID software and a common superblock format, maybe that stuff has bore fruit
[10:39] <wilson> archoille: both are empty
[10:39] <EvilDennisR> What language!? Hot?? Or Attention deficit disorder??
[10:39] <Logicwax> alankila:  also if i just run "mdadm /dev/sde"  (or sdf), i get this:  /dev/sde: device 1 in 3 device undetected raid5 /dev/.tmp.md0.  Use mdadm --examine for more detail.
[10:39] <alankila> Logicwax: you may have to assemble the MD with one device marked as "missing", by that string
[10:39] <AdvoWork> nibbler, theadmin im trying to chown that directory, which has these permissions: drwxrwxrwx  2 root    65533   yet, it wont let me, permission denied. Problem is, I need to run the backup program as zimbra user, but the /home/backup folder is a mounted share onto my freenas box, so i think this is where the problem could be?
[10:40] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: So do you actually answer anyones questions in here?
[10:40] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: Or just moderate?
[10:40] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: Please be productive.
[10:40] <alankila> Logicwax: and I can't stress enough the need to backup immediately if you get the MD assembled. The danger of multiple disk failure is very real, as all disks are often from the same batch & have been equally strongly exercised by the RAID
[10:40] <nibbler> AdvoWork, yep, fix your mount options to make it user writable
[10:40] <alankila> so they have the tendency to all fail at the same time
[10:40] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: Last time I checked I was in here on my own accord at 5:40am EST answering peoples questions..
[10:41] <theadmin> AdvoWork: How about doing "sudo -iu zimbra" and doing backup as that user?
[10:41] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: May I pm you?
[10:41] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: No.
[10:41] <wilson> archoille: both are empty
[10:41] <AdvoWork> theadmin, what does that do?
[10:41] <theadmin> AdvoWork: Opens bash as "zimbra"
[10:41] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: I guess you don't really want an answer then :)
[10:41] <Logicwax> alankila: i read that.  well, assembling doesnt work, as it then yells at me saying:   mdadm --assemble /dev/sdf /dev/sde  then it returns "mdadm: /dev/sdf assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array."
[10:42] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: it isn't recognising "root (hd0,0)"
[10:42] <alankila> Logicwax: --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sdf /dev/sde missing
[10:42] <alankila> assuming you have a 3-disk RAID5
[10:42] <Logicwax> oh, yeah i tried the missing, and same thing
[10:42] <alankila> Logicwax: you are not reading me
[10:42] <peleg> ikonia, are you still here? Should I wait for your answer?
[10:42] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: this the grub prompt, or the busybox prompt?
[10:42] <AdvoWork> theadmin, i put that in my script and it still came up with the same
[10:42] <Logicwax> alankila: "mdadm: cannot open device missing: No such file or directory
[10:42] <Logicwax> mdadm: missing has no superblock - assembly aborted
[10:42] <alankila> Logicwax: --assemble >>> /dev/md0 <<<
[10:42] <AdvoWork> nibbler, how can i fix it, when im doing the mount as \\ip\share /home/dir cifs exec
[10:42] <theadmin> AdvoWork: I dunno whether you can use sudo in scripts... hm.
[10:42] <Logicwax> ah
[10:43] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: "grub>"
[10:43] <ardchoille> EvilDennisR: I've been answering questions in this channel and on the ubuntu forums for years :)
[10:43] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: type root (hd then hit tab, see what it gives you for results
[10:43] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: *"grub rescue>"
[10:43] <AdvoWork> theadmin, it did say: sudo: please use single character options         Password:  when i ran the cronjob
[10:43] <alankila> And the "missing" should really work. I used it just today to build a raid1 out of a degraded array.
[10:43] <EvilDennisR> RPG_Master: grub rescue? Hrrm, weird..
[10:43] <nibbler> AdvoWork, sorry, cant tell you. check "man mount.cifs" you cann tell what local user the mount should belong to etc
[10:43] <Logicwax> alankila: now i have to reboot.  everytime i run the assemble command....then it just yells at me saying no superblock found.  but oddly, its there when i reboot
[10:43] <alankila> But ... hmm ... I should probably double-check, to be sure ... I did use --build with missing, not --assemble
[10:44] <RPG_Master> EvilDennisR: Does nothing :(
[10:44] <theadmin> AdvoWork: Oh... My... ah, it won't let this work, because a cronjob won't run the bash shell i belive
[10:44] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, the mdadm command is very strange in that way that it has a tendency to somehow break the disks until reboot
[10:44] <Logicwax> alankila: yes the Build command.   this is why I came into this chan...i wanted to know if this will hose all my data?
[10:44]  * alankila can't help feeling that linux md is a joke
[10:45] <Logicwax> heh
[10:45] <alankila> Logicwax: the --build is dangerous to the extreme to existing data
[10:45] <AdvoWork> theadmin, i tried: http://pastebin.com/d3526c69e  but the 2nd line is the one i need to do, but as said, ive got to run the zmbackup as zimbra user
[10:45] <Logicwax> thats what i was afraid of
[10:45] <alankila> it basically tells MD to make a new device, write the superblock infos, and if enough devices are present, it also builds the redundancy data in the devices
[10:45] <Logicwax> oh geeze
[10:45] <EvilDennisR> ardchoille: Good for you. Pidgin -> help -> about -> Crazy Patch Writers:
[10:46] <Mehedi_Simon> In Torcs racing game i m unable to play it on full screen mode. how  can i configure it for full screen?
[10:46] <indus> Mehedi_Simon, isnt torcs an old outdated ugly racing game?
[10:46] <alankila> Logicwax: that being said, it is harmless if you --build with exactly the same arguments as before, because the MD is deterministic and will do all things the same way. Sadly, you don't have mdadm-made RAID5 so I can't guarantee safety. --assemble is safer, especially with a missing drive, as there is no redundancy info to build in that case
[10:46] <Mehedi_Simon> ya
[10:47] <Mehedi_Simon> But can u tell me about a good  one?
[10:47] <alankila> But it's also true that --assemble will start building the redundancy info in some cases, so that too could be dangerous to data. However, normally you can only assemble a RAID that is consistent with linux md's expectations & it's OK
[10:47] <indus> Mehedi_Simon, they have a mailing list wait
[10:47] <indus> Mehedi_Simon, maybe you could ask in thee
[10:47] <Mehedi_Simon> where?
[10:48] <robot> How do I disable shadows?
[10:48] <indus> Mehedi_Simon, is it a pretty decent game? i would like to try it too
[10:48] <Mehedi_Simon> In Torcs racing game i m unable to play it on full screen mode. how  can i configure it for full screen?
[10:48] <indus> Mehedi_Simon, http://lists.sf.net/lists/listinfo/torcs-users
[10:49] <Logicwax> alankila: well...can you tell me what exactly is responsible for making the /dev/mapper/sil_bgabdiajccbc path?
[10:49] <Logicwax> that it made in the first place
[10:49] <alankila> Logicwax: I will also recommend staying away from RAID5 in the future. RAID1 is the most I personally dare to use, because I'm not dependent on getting the assembling right
[10:50] <Logicwax> well...i wanted more space and redundancy
[10:50] <alankila> Logicwax: well, it might be some device-mapper compatible raid (another way in linux to make raids) but I know very little about device-mapper.
[10:50] <EvilDennisR> I haz a tired
[10:50] <Mehedi_Simon> In Torcs racing game i m unable to play it on full screen mode. how  can i configure it for full screen?
[10:51] <AdvoWork> if ive got: drwxrwxrwx  4 root    65533    0 2010-02-19 10:42 zimbra_full_backups how come i get permission denied, when i do: chown zimbra:zimbra zimbra_full_backups/
[10:51] <ranjan> how to clear samba log from /var/log/samba directory ...
[10:51] <Logicwax> alankila: ok i did this " mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sdf /dev/sde missing"  and i got this: mdadm: cannot open device missing: No such file or directory
[10:51] <Logicwax> mdadm: missing has no superblock - assembly aborted
[10:51] <ardchoille> AdvoWork: you need sudo
[10:51] <alankila> Logicwax: but indeed, there is both dm and md. dm is generally used by lvm for assembling dynamically resizable disks out of physical media, it's mostly an indirection layer of sorts... and then there's md for multiple-device, the classic raid solution of linux
[10:51] <justin22885> hey.. does anyone know what im supposed to do to get this wifi set up?
[10:52] <alankila> Logicwax: ok. Leave the missing out, then. I suppose --assemble doesn't support that form of invication
[10:52] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, i need to make it as the zimbra user, and ive already su zimbra'd
[10:52] <AdvoWork> so im running that command as zimbra
[10:52] <alankila> Logicwax: maybe it needs a --force to force starting the md even when disks are missing, then
[10:52] <Logicwax> mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 2 drives (out of 3).
[10:52] <Logicwax> !!!
[10:52] <ardchoille> AdvoWork: yes, but the folder belongs to root, not zimbra
[10:52] <Logicwax> woohoo
[10:52] <alankila> Logicwax: cool! Now try to mount it
[10:53] <rascal999> http://pastebin.com/m6bf5bf62 stops at line 4, how do I make it continue to end?
[10:53] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, i even did su zimbra, then mkdir newfolder and it still woulndt let me though
[10:53] <Logicwax> " mount -t ext4 /dev/md0 /media/vanix/"
[10:53] <Logicwax> "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md0"
[10:54] <Logicwax> ahhh was so close
[10:54] <nibbler> rascal999, i guess it waits for a password?
[10:54] <alankila> Logicwax: are the disks given to md in correct order? I'm not sure if it would matter, though
[10:54] <ardchoille> AdvoWork: is zimbra your username?
[10:54] <rascal999> nibbler: no it chroots and doesn't continue until i 'exit'
[10:54] <Logicwax> yes, when i did the --examine....sdf was disk 0/3, and sde was 1/3
[10:54] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, im logged in as root, but zimbra is a user on the system, the zimbra user has to run certain programs
[10:54] <alankila> Logicwax: the stupid thing ought to be able to read the superblocks though
[10:54] <nibbler> rascal999, thats also the nature of chroot, make it execute exit in the chroot
[10:55] <kubanc> is in ubuntu twaek advisable to delete packages cache ( in package cleaner option clean cache )???
[10:55] <ardchoille> AdvoWork: you logged into the desktop as root user? That's a bad idea.
[10:55] <Logicwax> alankila: check this out, fdisk sees it as this "Disk /dev/md0: 3000.6 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>808 bytes
[10:55] <Logicwax> "Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table"
[10:55] <ardchoille> !sudo | AdvoWork There's no need to have the root account enabled
[10:55] <rascal999> nibbler: but I need to to run the subsequent commands in chroot
[10:55] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, i know, its a 1 off...
[10:55] <Logicwax> alankila: well...it got the size right....at least.   3TB is how big the original raid was
[10:55] <alankila> Logicwax: err... so we can conclude that the superblock information on the devices is not compatible with mdadm
[10:56] <alankila> Logicwax: shut the raid array down now.
[10:56] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, but why cant i make a new folder as the zimbra user?
[10:56] <alankila> Logicwax: oh you mean you do have 3 TB on it?
[10:56] <ardchoille> AdvoWork: If you enabled the root account and are logged into that account on the desktop, then I can't help you.
[10:56] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, i sshd in as root
[10:56] <Logicwax> alankila: yea well my original RAID set was 3x 1.5TB drives
[10:56] <alankila> Logicwax: well in that case I guess it kinda works... but what's this about partitions, do you have partitions on it?
[10:56] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, so im on ther terminal
[10:57] <wilson> how can i change my uplash screen?
[10:57] <nibbler> rascal999, chroot /mydir myscript.sh  <- you need to execute another script in the chroot enviroment. maybe you can also echo exit |chroot /mydir
[10:57] <Logicwax> alankila: yeah...actually....heh, i dunno if this matters.  but I just wrote a direct ext4 to it.
[10:58] <Logicwax> didnt partition it, as gparted always got in the way and insisted on making multuple partitions
[10:58] <alankila> Logicwax: no, you did the right thing. Linux probably wouldn't try to read a partition table out of a multiple-device device.
[10:58] <ardchoille> AdvoWork: I've beenusing Ubuntu for 5 years and have never seen the need to enable the root account. If you want my advice, log out of the root account, lock the root account and learn to use sudo/gksudo.
[10:58] <rascal999> nibbler: yeah, thanks
[10:58] <alankila> Logicwax: partitions are made on the raw device, smaller mds are then assembled out of the partitions.
[10:58] <Logicwax> ah
[10:59] <Logicwax> so did i mount it wrongly?
[10:59] <alankila> Logicwax: anyway, I do not know why md does not accept the device. I can only guess that the metadata as parsed by md & the one written by the /dev/mapper/stuff is somehow inconsistent. It's annoying, but you probably have to figure out how to force that /dev/mapper thing to map it with a missing drive.
[10:59] <nibbler> rascal999, welcome
[11:00] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, ok noted, ill sort that asap! but that still doesnt help this issue though
[11:00] <Logicwax> "mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 2 drives (out of 3)."  <<---isnt that proof that it is compatible with mds?
[11:00] <alankila> Logicwax: it was able to start it, but the fact no filesystem is found on device indicates that the assemble was not actually correct. The disks are used in wrong order or something.
[11:01] <alankila> Logicwax: or wrong stripe length, or wrong parity algorithm, or any other number of reasons why RAID5 can fail
[11:01] <wilson> how can i change my uplash screen?
[11:01] <alankila> And that means the mdadm is currently best understood as *dangerous* to the data. Should you now write to /dev/md0 you would damage the data on it.
[11:02] <rascal999> nibbler: how do i make it stay in chroot? I have
[11:02] <rascal999> http://pastebin.com/m3c368a3e and http://pastebin.com/m20d203f3
[11:03] <nibbler> rascal999, no idea :-) sorry i'm out
[11:03] <Logicwax> alankila: ack!   what about dm?
[11:03] <alankila> Logicwax: I know too little about dm.
[11:03] <AdvoWork> ardchoille, so no matter what user, even if im already the zimbra user, why wouldnt i be able to create a new directory under the zimbra user?
[11:04] <alankila> I only barely managed to learn to use raidtools when it got replaced by raidtools2 and then it got replaced by mdadm and maybe mdadm will be replaced by dm in the future, I don't know. I only know how to use mdadm right now, and dm is a big question mark.
[11:05] <Logicwax> alankila: ok...well then I guess its safe to assume dmraid is responsible for that /dev/mapper path?
[11:05] <Logicwax> hrmmm....
[11:05] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, the /dev/mapper is a smoking gun here about device-mapper being involved, I guess. But let me check one thing.
[11:05] <Logicwax> lookie at this!
[11:05] <Logicwax>  dmraid -r
[11:06] <pedestrianentran> has anyone got wireless working on an Acer Travelmate 2300?
[11:06] <Logicwax> "/dev/sdf: sil, "sil_bgabdiajccbc", raid5_ls, ok,<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors, data@ 0
[11:06] <Logicwax> "/dev/sde: sil, "sil_bgabdiajccbc", raid5_ls, ok,<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors, data@ 0
[11:06] <Logicwax> that looks.........good
[11:06] <alankila> Logicwax: good. So remove mdadm now, try to cope with dmraid.
[11:06] <alankila> I'll have to study which one I should be using, if mdadm is on the way out
[11:07]  * alankila scratches head
[11:08] <Logicwax> alankila: i think dmraid is the new thing to use....even though that sounds biasd
[11:08] <alankila> Logicwax: well, it is the one you should almost certainly be using... and to be honest, I've had a bad experience with mdadm.
[11:08] <alankila> so I don't miss it if it's gone, but I don't understand why the tools have to change every 2 years or so.
[11:09] <candyban> Am I the only one always having issues with pulseaudio? I'm so fed up that it "constantly" fails on all different kinds of hardware ... Linux audio was much more stable 10 years ago
[11:09] <meowbuntu> hi anyone here used enlightment wm before
[11:09] <alankila> Hopefully dm will be here to stay
[11:09] <justin22885> im trying to install gnome-desktop-environment, but its telling me it depends on fast-user-switch-applet which theres no installation candidate for
[11:09] <littlegreen> pedestrianentran is your wireless adapter Atheros-based? Most accers are...
[11:10] <ct529> hi everybody .... I would like to purge all the packages that are marked rc when I run dpkg -l .... anyone who knows how? I have tried different technicques but it did not work ....:(
[11:10] <candyban> my sound is all of a sudden "gone" (pulseaudio is running, alsa running)
[11:10] <ct529> like dpkg -l | grep -i 'rc  ' | apt-get purge
[11:10] <ct529> or dpkg -l | grep -i 'rc  ' | dpkg --purge
[11:10] <ct529> or dpkg --purge -a
[11:11]  * alankila finds device-mapper raids unimpressive
[11:11] <Logicwax> heh
[11:11] <Logicwax>  dmraid -ay -v
[11:11] <Logicwax> RAID set "sil_bgabdiajccbc" was not activated
[11:11] <Logicwax> thats about as far as i can get
[11:11] <alankila> still in 2008 there was no read balancing on dm-raid1, it apparently always read from just one disk or something. *puke*
[11:11] <Logicwax> even when i tell it to directly activate them
[11:11] <Logicwax> so im lookin for some sort of "who cares if its degraded, mount it you idiot!" argument
[11:12] <alankila> Maybe something wonderful has happened in 2 years, but 2 years isn't long and this stuff has been there forever... I guess nobody really uses software raids in linux? I find it hard to believe given how unfriendly mdadm is, and how poor dm appears to be. :-/
[11:12] <Logicwax> why dont you like dm?
[11:12] <alankila> Logicwax: *shrug*
[11:13] <candyban> ct529, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l grep "^rc" | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs dpkg -P (unofficial out the top of my head ... try without the xargs dpkg -P first)
[11:13] <alankila> Logicwax: it's not me. When I read in 2008 that raid1 -- the only raid level I personally trust with data -- only reads from 1 disk and doesn't handle read failure, I simply groan
[11:13] <erUSUL> !ot rants in offtopic please →
[11:13] <alankila> to me, that makes device-mapper worthless. It would have been worthless as soon as 2008
[11:13] <erUSUL> !ot | rants in offtopic please →
[11:14] <Logicwax> hrmm
[11:14] <sam_> I would like to be able to play wma files using rhythmbox. I can play them using mplayer. but not vlc or rhythmbox. I have w32codecs installed
[11:14] <sam_> is it possible?
[11:14] <tuxattack> !ubottu
[11:15] <erUSUL> sam_: do you have ubuntu-restricted-extras installed ?
[11:15] <Logicwax> alankila:  /dev/sdf: sil, "sil_bgabdiajccbc", raid5_ls, ok,<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors, data@ 0
[11:15] <Logicwax> those two lines
[11:15] <sam_> erUSUL, yep
[11:15] <tuxattack> !ubottu | ubottu
[11:15] <Logicwax> for sde too...thats a good sign, at least, right?
[11:15] <ct529> candyban: yes!  COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep "^rc" | awk '{ print $2 }' | xargs dpkg -P
[11:15] <ct529> candyban: it is working .... thanks you very much!!!!
[11:15] <spasht> hello . i need help with tvtime, cant change frquencies in composite1. what do i do?
[11:15] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, it's aware of the RAID. You just have to look for some option to force it to start in degraded mode, I guess. If it can't do that, then, well, I guess DM proves to be just as bad with raid5 as it apparently is/was with raid1
[11:15] <candyban> ct529, np
[11:16] <sam_> So anyone know if it is possible?
[11:16] <erUSUL> sam_: and you have gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg   instaled ?
[11:17] <ct529> candyban: do you have any good tutorial for awk and xargs
[11:17] <sam_> yep
[11:17] <erUSUL> sam_: it is possible iirc (now i use banshee)
[11:17] <erUSUL> ct529: #bash ; #awk
[11:17] <candyban> ct529, awk is a programming language (but very useful) ... you could have used cut as well
[11:17] <erUSUL> !cli | ct529
[11:18] <candyban> ct529, and man xargs ;)
[11:18] <Logicwax> well the fact that is says "ok" comforts me
[11:18] <Logicwax> alankila: thank you so much for your help
[11:19] <sam_> Anyone have a idea about what makes wma files play?
[11:19] <pedestrianentran> littlegreen: linksys
[11:19] <justin22885> gnome is pissing me off right now
[11:20] <alankila> Logicwax: yeah, maybe it just needs all drives before it's back online.
[11:20] <erUSUL> sam_: according to « gst-inspect-0.10  | grep wma » is the ffmpeg plugin
[11:20] <littlegreen> pedestrianentran use wired internet connection and update your drivers using the "Hardware Drivers" applet. Worked for me on three acer laptops so far - 2 Atheros-based chips and one linksys'
[11:21] <Logicwax> alankila: according to some quick googling....people have had to resort to booting windows to fix the fakeraid!!!  because dmraid doesnt understand degrading
[11:21] <alankila> Logicwax: it seems that raid5 with dm was "in early stages" as soon as 2008. Ugly. I guess the md code is still the better choice in general.
[11:22] <Logicwax> alankila: do i rebuild the array in linux?  or in the cards bios util?
[11:22] <erUSUL> Logicwax: do ot use fakeraid. the only justification for using it is the need for the array to be accesed by both windows and linux. if you only have linux use linux's software raid
[11:22] <alankila> Logicwax: I don't know.
[11:23] <Logicwax> erUSUL: here's a justification.....im not spending $300 on a real raid card
[11:23]  * alankila just screwed up with his laptop's raid setup
[11:23] <sam_> erUSUL, I think i already have ffmpeg.  Moves start of partition, but is necessary if you want to boot the thing correctly. *sigh* So I just realized I must rebuild the entire filesystem after remaking the raid with --create
[11:24] <erUSUL> Logicwax: configure the card to be just a sata controller (jobod or similar) then use mdadm to assemble a linux raid
[11:24] <erUSUL> !raid
[11:24] <sam_> erUSUL, already got that i'm afraid
[11:25] <erUSUL> sam_: then i dunno sorry
[11:25] <sam_> OK fair enough
[11:25] <erUSUL> sam_: wmas play in totem ?
[11:25] <sam_> thanks for trying
[11:25] <Logicwax> hrmmm
[11:25] <sam_> erUSUL, no
[11:26] <Logicwax> erUSUL: ok i see what you mean....using mdadm to assemble linux raid
[11:26] <Logicwax> what about dmraid?
[11:26] <wilson> how can i change my uplash screen?
[11:27] <Logicwax> i think my solution will be to get to bed right now...wakeup tomorrow and goto frys...get a new 1.5TB drive, and then tell dmraid to rebuild
[11:27] <alankila> Logicwax: I can only relay the words from 2008 "dmraid 5 support is still in early stages"
[11:27] <erUSUL> Logicwax: dmraid is a hack to be able tu use fakeraid in linux
[11:27] <candyban> Logicwax, use md instead
[11:27] <alankila> I'm hoping your BIOS has support for rebuilding the RAID. In that case, it's not a problem.
[11:27] <sam_> ** Message: Missing plugin: gstreamer|0.10|totem|Windows Media Audio decoder|decoder-audio/x-wma, wmaversion=(int)4, bitrate=(int)1152000 (Windows Media Audio decoder)
[11:28] <Logicwax> you know...i didnt use EITHER.   ubuntu did this for my automatically.....in fact, i still havent confirmed if dmraid is what ubuntu used to make the device mapper
[11:28] <Flipz> my card is a My wireless card is a NetGear WG311v3 802.11g Wireless PCI adapter, my version of ubuntu is the latests...I think it's 9.10 and my computer kind isn't important but my wireless won't work, so how do I make it work? I downloaded NDwrapper or whatever it's called, what now?
[11:28] <alankila> Logicwax: so you didn't ever use BIOS to set it up?
[11:28] <Logicwax> yes
[11:29] <Logicwax> not the mobo bios, but the card bios...you know on bootup
[11:29] <Logicwax> same thing tho
[11:29] <sam_> mplayer tells me it is using wma9dmo
[11:29] <alankila> Logicwax: ah. Right. So you DID actually force Ubuntu to use the dm path in that case.
[11:29] <erUSUL> Logicwax: well the block device names used by dmraid are weird; md raid 8linux soft raid) uses /dev/md0 or similar
[11:29] <Logicwax> i setup a raid5 in the bios.....then ubuntu automatically made it /dev/mapper/sil_bgabdiajccbc
[11:29] <syrius> LINUX
[11:29] <candyban> Logicwax, why do you want that "raid"? (ps. You know that it is not REAL raid right?)
[11:29] <syrius> RULES
[11:29] <alankila> Logicwax: it adapts to what is possible. The BIOS raids are like that: you have some kind of support but they are second class citizens apparently.
[11:29] <erUSUL> Flipz: tell us first what wifi chip does the card uses.
[11:30] <erUSUL> Flipz: lspci | grep -i net
[11:30] <candyban> Logicwax, it's just fancy bios and an OS driver
[11:30] <_shifftyonejr_> When installing Linux to the hard drive, what is teh recomended size for the swap partition?
[11:30] <Flipz> k
[11:30] <Logicwax> why do i want it?   cus i wanted 3TB's together as one logical drive, and i wanted it redundant if it ever screwed up.   also, i never did anything with RAIDs before in linux
[11:30] <alankila> Logicwax: by using the BIOS tools, you however did force ubuntu's hand. We already know that mdadm's view of the world is not consistent with the fakeraid's.
[11:31] <DasEi> _shifftyonejr_: general rule double of ram, but depends on your needs, how much ram ?
[11:31] <erUSUL> _shifftyonejr_: depends on ram. if you plan to s2disk it has to be of the same size. if you do not want just reserve 1 GiB or so
[11:31] <_shifftyonejr_> I am running 768 at this time but getting more ram,
[11:31] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, it's an understandable mistake. I have made a number of them voer the years, which is why I only trust raid1. Call it experience. :-/
[11:31] <erUSUL> _shifftyonejr_: then 1GiB is a good choice
[11:32] <candyban> Logicwax, I strongly (really strong) recommend using MD ... never used it on desktop though, but server install should allow you to build raid volumes in the installer
[11:32] <_shifftyonejr_> Okay.  Thank you.
[11:32] <Logicwax> alankila: ok...i may have forced ubuntu's hand.  id like to know how ubuntu dealt with it (using dmraid?  or what???)
[11:32] <candyban> Logicwax, it can do RAID-5, RAID-6, RAID-10 (whatever you want)
[11:32] <DasEi> _shifftyonejr_: so if hd is big enough, give it little more, so later hassle; I put down my swapiness very far and seldom run out of ram, so it never swaps (but also I don't hibernate)
[11:33] <DasEi> so no*
[11:33] <candyban> Logicwax, and more importantly, it is portable (you can just plug it in in any other machine and it will boot up as expected)
[11:33] <Logicwax> candyban: what can?
[11:33] <_shifftyonejr_> 160GB HD but I have it split between Windows and LInux.
[11:33] <obscurant1st> what is the command for checkin all the drive for errors?? somebody plsd
[11:33] <candyban> Logicwax, md (rather than dmraid)
[11:33] <Logicwax> ok
[11:34] <Logicwax> but how do i identify what ubuntu used to make the /dev/mapper/sil_bgabdiajccbc  path?
[11:34] <alankila> Logicwax: it's just that ubuntu adapted to the BIOS raid. The BIOS raids are not quite the same thing as MD, they have different layouts of parameters or whatever, so there's some support for them but they just don't work as good as the md stuff. (But my experience is that MD stuff doesn't work that good either.)
[11:34] <Logicwax> cus still to this point, i have no verified that is was in fact dmraid
[11:34] <candyban> Logicwax, just make sure you have a small RAID-1 partition to install /boot ... rest of the drives can be RAID-5
[11:34] <DasEi> obscurant1st: fsck / e2fsck, but do from live on UNmounted hd only
[11:34] <deepocean> Hello
[11:35] <DasEi> !hi
[11:35] <candyban> Logicwax, cat /proc/mdstat
[11:35] <Logicwax> alankila:  raid1 is all nice swell....but i want multiple TBs stringed into one logical drive, thats what im after
[11:35] <DasEi> obscurant1st: need more help in that /have a live handy ?
[11:35] <candyban> Logicwax, you can use RAID-5 (or 6 if you want more redundancy)
[11:35] <Logicwax> candyban: tried that already, doesnt show crap
[11:35] <Logicwax> yea
[11:35] <candyban> Logicwax, then you don't have md ;)
[11:36] <Logicwax> but like i said....i need to find out if dmraid was in fact what was used
[11:36] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, well, good luck on that path. I just do not trust I will be able to recover a raid5 volume on failure, and thus I find the data to be in jeopardy and do not sleep well at night.
[11:36] <Logicwax> or if it was something else
[11:36] <Logicwax> alankila:  you'll prob laugh at me....but i have 10TB on 5x 2TB drives, all LVM'd together
[11:37] <candyban> Logicwax, unless you setup drbd (which I highly doubt) ... the only thing (other than hardware raid and md) that builds a raid device is dmraid
[11:37] <Logicwax> LVM set to linear mode
[11:37] <erUSUL> Logicwax: if you have a bios raid configured only dmraid could be used besouse there is not other driver for that kind of devices
[11:37] <jofo> Hello. On which bugzilla can I indicate a problem I’ve encountered in System>Preferences>Keyboard?
[11:37] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, that drive is virtually certain to be trashed any moment now.
[11:37] <obscurant1st> DasEi: i dint get you.
[11:37] <erUSUL> !bugs | jofo
[11:37] <DasEi> obscurant1st: fsck / e2fsck, but do from live on UNmounted hd only
[11:37] <DasEi> obscurant1st: need more help in that /have a live handy ?
[11:37] <meowbuntu> hi i can find some icons in /usr/shere/icons whats the other file in usr/share/
[11:37] <Logicwax> alankila: what drive is certain to be trashed!?!?
[11:37] <obscurant1st> DasEi: i dont know, my ubuntu was not booting after an partition resize and movement, i hd to mess with the grub for 2 hrs n now its booting, but before while booting lots of errors shown i dont know what are they so i asked
[11:37] <candyban> Logicwax, you do realize that RAID will cost you (at least) 1 disk right?
[11:38] <Logicwax> yup
[11:38] <DasEi> !
[11:38] <obscurant1st> and btw after the partition resize and move i installed backtrack
[11:38] <`mOOse`> Logicwax - movie db?
[11:38] <alankila> Logicwax: well, when any one of your drives break on that array, it may be that you will be unable to fsck the volume at all. And you may lose all data.
[11:38] <DasEi> obscurant1st: well, that will have been the uuids of fstab I gues
[11:38] <Logicwax> `mOOse`:  :x
[11:38] <`mOOse`> ;-)
[11:38] <DasEi> !uuid | obscurant1st
[11:38] <Logicwax> alankila: oh your talkin about the LVM volume, eh?
[11:38] <jofo> erUSUL, But what should I write instead of <package>? The problem is in System>Preferences>Keyboard (in Gnome).
[11:38] <alankila> Logicwax: yes.
[11:39] <erUSUL> jofo: gnome-keyboard-properties probably
[11:39] <Logicwax> so before i leave and goto sleep...you guys are saying the best way to string TBs together with tons of hdds....is to use mdadm, are we all agreed on this?
[11:39] <obscurant1st> DasEi: what should i do after getting that uuids?
[11:39] <candyban> Logicwax, just wondering : why are you using LVM? Do you need to create multiple partitions on the fly?
[11:39] <jofo> OK Thanks
[11:39] <deepocean> How do I increase my FireFox fonts. FireFox does not to respond to Fonts setting within the application.
[11:39] <deepocean> neiterh to changes from System settings
[11:39] <alankila> Logicwax: the support on linux side is still best for the "md", and "dm" is apparently still worthless.
[11:39] <candyban> Logicwax, is it some kind of "production server"
[11:40] <Logicwax> candyban: i used LVM because....since i have so many HDDs, they are on seperate PCI SATA cards.   so i found that LVM strung them all together into one massive disk
[11:41] <obscurant1st> btw how to resinstall and fix my grub? in ubuntu 9.10
[11:41] <candyban> Logicwax, you can use md for that
[11:41] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, one with no redundancy. When any one of the drives break, I wonder how well the tools will cope with a missing 2 TB chunk of filesystem data.
[11:42] <candyban> Logicwax, md does not care where the disk is at ... you can even use USB disks in there
[11:42] <alankila> Not that you will be able to tell, it probably takes days to fsck it to begin with. Large volumes are *awful*.
[11:42] <candyban> Logicwax, or iscsi exports
[11:42] <Logicwax> well i assumed it would be like windows dynamic spanned volumes...where if you lose a disk...you just lose what was on THAT disk, since its all written linear
[11:42] <elad> Hi, I am having some problems with xserver on ubuntu karmic. When I boot it displays a message "failed loading module type1" and lets me to choose to run in low graphics. But if I choose console and write startx, it seems to work...
[11:42] <jofo> erUSUL, The package gnome-keyboard-properties doesn’t exist.
[11:43] <erUSUL> jofo: dpkg -S $(which gnome-keyboard-properties) ----> gnome-control-center
[11:43] <Logicwax> so mdadm should be used to bring multiple drives (from all sources) into one big volume, eh?
[11:43] <candyban> Logicwax, it depends ... if you have multiple partitions ... you could be in luck
[11:43] <Logicwax> just one
[11:43] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, in principle you lose only what was written on that disk, but that doesn't mean the tools are able to cope with it. You should try it, I guess, but I think you'll be disappointed.
[11:43] <candyban> Logicwax, it depends on what exactly you would like to do ...
[11:44] <candyban> Logicwax, lvm on top of multiple md devices works great as well
[11:44] <justin22885> this is making me really angry.. i cant get ubuntu installed because it depends on a package that doesnt exist
[11:44] <Logicwax> that whole set is healthy...but im just worrying for future reference
[11:44] <jofo> erUSUL, What!?
[11:44] <shadow> who paly conquer
[11:44] <Logicwax> hrmm
[11:44] <justin22885> gnome i mean... missing dependancy
[11:44] <shadow>  play*
[11:44] <erUSUL> jofo: the package is gnome-control-center
[11:44] <jofo> OK
[11:44] <Logicwax> candyban: well the only thing id like to do is what i do:  string hdds together to make a big logical drive volume
[11:44] <Logicwax> and your tellin me mdadm is best for that
[11:44] <Logicwax> ok
[11:45] <alankila> Logicwax: you would be better off just mounting all disks separately under some kind of scheme like /disk1 /disk2 /disk3 /disk4 /disk5 and moving directories manually between them. That way failure of disk is restricted strictly to that mount point
[11:45] <Logicwax> yea yea i know...but damn do i love seeing it all in one place ;)
[11:46] <candyban> Logicwax, depends on what your ultimate goal is ...
[11:46] <alankila> Logicwax: yes, but there is a terrible price to having a 10 TB volume. For starters, it is not fsckable in practice.
[11:46] <alankila> It will take days to fsck, I expect
[11:46] <Logicwax> yea
[11:46] <candyban> Logicwax, is it for storing your mp3s/DVD collection ... or for other purposes?
[11:46] <Logicwax> DVD
[11:46] <alankila> And you will be running fsck almost certainly when you lose a disk.
[11:47] <Logicwax> the one i have as raid5 is for mp3...and im more worried about that
[11:48] <candyban> Logicwax, it would be better to use smaller mds (e.g. use 10 mds of 200G each and put them in lvm
[11:48] <nibbler> alankila, but without raid, if a disk fails you have to use (and have) backups. ofc. raid is no replacement for backups, but should be an increasment of availability
[11:48] <Logicwax> what do you mean "mds"
[11:48] <candyban> Logicwax, mds = plural for md ;)
[11:48] <Logicwax> yeah but i thought md was just short for mdadm
[11:49] <Logicwax> you mean like md volumes?
[11:49] <candyban> Logicwax, you also have to take into account the rebuild time when you loose a disk
[11:49] <candyban> Logicwax, and with 2TB disks ... this can take some time (in which time you may loose another disk)
[11:50] <Logicwax> so can mdadm let you define striping across multuple disks?
[11:50] <elad> Hi, I am having some problems with xserver on ubuntu karmic. When I boot it displays a message "failed loading module type1" and lets me to choose to run in low graphics. But if I choose console and write startx, it seems to work...
[11:50] <candyban> Logicwax, that's what RAID-5 is all about (RAID-3 is a single stripe disk)
[11:51] <candyban> Logicwax, if your data is really important, RAID-6 is the way to go (but then you lose 2 disks)
[11:51] <Logicwax> candyban: yeah but im asking, can mdadm do raid5 with disks coming from all different sources (different pci cards)
[11:51] <candyban> Logicwax, yes
[11:51] <Logicwax> sweet
[11:51] <Logicwax> i'll have to switch to that then sometime soon
[11:51] <candyban> Logicwax, like I said, you can even use a USB disk in there (though not recommended)
[11:51] <Logicwax> yea
[11:51] <Logicwax> alright
[11:51] <alankila> Logicwax: actually we started a MD raid5 volume over the DM raid5 disks, but sadly it didn't work
[11:51] <candyban> Logicwax, but they have to be of the same size
[11:51] <Logicwax> yea
[11:52] <Logicwax> ok guys, im exhausted.   thank you so much for your help
[11:52] <candyban> Logicwax, also drbd is nice (if your data is really important)
[11:52] <Logicwax> never heard
[11:52]  * alankila doesn't understand why linux has DM. Why can't the dmraid just use MD internally?
[11:52] <Logicwax> i'll look it up
[11:52] <Logicwax> night!
[11:52] <candyban> Logicwax, it's RAID-1 over 2 different boxes ;)
[11:53] <Logicwax> oohh nice
[11:53] <sp0ckk> With regards to Apache2 on Ubuntu, what is the difference between the site-enabled and sites-available configuration files?
[11:53] <alankila> yeah with Logicwax's logic he'll probably put 10 PCs in row, all with 10 2 TB disks, and arrange the whole thing as s single linear volume
[11:53] <alankila> sweet! 200 TB ext4!
[11:54] <alankila> Sorry for mocking you, but the stuff just doesn't work that well.
[11:54] <ziroday> sp0ckk: sites-enabled are vhosts that are actually...well working, whilst you can store configurations in sites-available for later use should you need them
[11:54] <sp0ckk> ziroday: Thanks.
[11:54] <Logicwax> hey i didnt have the money for redudancy lost disks (for parity)   i knew the risk and took it
[11:54] <ziroday> sp0ckk: I believe there is a command to manage -available and -enabled but I don't have an apache install here
[11:55] <justin22885> hmm
[11:55] <justin22885> this is really frustrating
[11:55] <Krewl> en2ensite and a2dissite
[11:55] <seryi> oloa
[11:55] <Krewl> for apache sites enabling
[11:55] <sp0ckk> ziroday: It's OK. I was having trouble with some warnings, but they've been resolved now :)
[11:55] <alankila> Logicwax: I understand, but if you want to straighten this out now, you'll have a ton of effort in doing so.
[11:55] <ziroday> sp0ckk: awesome, and Krewl had the command(s) :)
[11:55] <Krewl> or just make a simlink in sites enabled to a sites-available config
[11:55] <seryi> ola+
[11:55] <alankila> To back up a 10 TB volume you need a 10 TB backup disk. And that is reason enough to avoid making large volumes.
[11:55] <ziroday> seryi: Hi!
[11:55] <seryi> k haxes
[11:56] <candyban> alankila, if it is for storing his DVD collection ... he already has a backup
[11:56] <sp0ckk> ziroday: It's been over a couple of years since I played with Ubuntu now; does it comes with a firewall enabled and on by default? Is it iptables? (I'm using Ubuntu as a server, via an SSH terminal).
[11:56] <seryi> no te rias
[11:56] <alankila> Yes, but that's not the point.
[11:56] <Krewl> sp0ckk:  same for modules a2enmod for enabling a module, a2dismod to turn them off
[11:56] <ziroday> sp0ckk: ubuntu has iptables and ufw installed by default, however neither are turned on
[11:57] <candyban> alankila, then what is your point?
[11:57] <ziroday> !iptables > sp0ckk
[11:57] <alankila> The point is that large disks are a nuisance. Small disks are nuisance too. You want to hit the sweet spot between backupability and convenience.
[11:57] <ziroday> !ufw > sp0ckk
[11:57] <sp0ckk> ziroday: Ah. Then I need to do so.
[11:57] <sp0ckk> ziroday: Thanks.
[11:57] <leiao> hello
[11:57] <ziroday> sp0ckk: its a good idea, the documentation that ubottu sent you is really helpful
[11:57] <sp0ckk> I'll do some Googleing on securing Apache2, the firewall, SSH and sftp.
[11:58] <sp0ckk> They're the services I want on my VPS. I'm only hosting a couple of Wikis.
[11:58] <alankila> In my opinion that sweet spot is somewhere around 1 terabyte -- I don't partition 500 GB disks at all, for instance -- but I would not accept 2 TB volumes right now. They are too incnovenient to temporarily stash somewhere and take alltogether too long to copy.
[11:58] <ziroday> sp0ckk: sure, feel free to ask if you're not sure about anything
[11:58] <RPG_Master> MY ENTIRE FILE SYSTEM HAS BEEN PUT IN THE LOST+FOUND FOLDER :'(
[11:58] <candyban> alankila, if he has no cash for a hardware raid controller and is fiddeling around with SATA disks and "dmraid" ... he has no cash for decent backup
[11:58] <sp0ckk> ziroday: Excellent. Thank you.
[11:58] <RPG_Master> Help me :(
[11:58] <ziroday> sp0ckk: have fun :)
[11:59] <erUSUL> RPG_Master: uhggg that hurts ... i have my entire /etc/ put there once == reinstall
[11:59] <calebjohnson> are all custom configuration options stored under the home directory startin with .?
[11:59] <alankila> candyban: imo, still irrelevant. This in no way invalidates why it's a good idea to not make one giant large volume.
[11:59] <Krewl> uhm, not sure we can RPG_Master
[11:59] <candyban> alankila, that's why I suggested creating 10x 200G mds
[11:59] <RPG_Master> erUSUL: I MUST save my files from my home dir! :O
[11:59] <ziroday> calebjohnson: all hidden files start with ".", they exist throughout the linux filesystem. You can show them in nautilus by pressing ctrl+h
[11:59] <alankila> candyban: yes, fairly sensible, but then you suggested stringing them together as LVM and the advantage of separate filesystems is lost.
[11:59] <RPG_Master> Loosing them is not an option
[12:00] <indus> what is lost + found for
[12:00] <Krewl> RPG_Master: are all your files just renamed or is some folder structure saved?
[12:00] <erUSUL> RPG_Master: depending of the file types and size you can try to identify them in that folder
[12:00] <alankila> They again become this large unit that has to be beckuped all at once and fscked all at once. And that's very bad.
[12:00] <calebjohnson> ziroday: so are config files mainly in the etc directory?
[12:00] <Krewl> RPG_Master: also the file command will help you identify what files are what type
[12:01] <Krewl> if ther are all just file0001, 002 etc
[12:01] <ziroday> calebjohnson: system wide configuration files are mainly in /etc/, whilst configuration files that affect your user are in your home directory
[12:01] <RPG_Master> Krewl: It looks like there are no folders in Lost+Found
[12:01] <RPG_Master> Just a bunch of txt files and a few images with correct thumbnales
[12:01] <Krewl> RPG_Master: then I know of no way to undo the damage, maybe someone else can provide a better idea....
[12:01] <candyban> alankila, he specifically wanted a single volume ... I've learned that if you want people to accept good advice, to first tell them what they want to hear and then tell them why it is not such a good idea ... ps. putting them in a single VG does still not invalidate the advantage of multiple smaller disks
[12:02] <alankila> candyban: okay.
[12:02] <Krewl> RPG_Master: You could at first try to make a backup somewhere so you can access the files on a working computer
[12:03] <Krewl> RPG_Master: say copy to an USB disk running from a Live CD
[12:03] <RPG_Master> Krewl: I'm messing with them through a livecd
[12:03] <alankila> candyban: it's his data and no skin off my back, so I don't personally mind even if he lost all his linear and raid5 data. I consider it fairly likely, by the way he's going around that this will happen. Lessons learnt in lost data are remembered well.
[12:03] <candyban> alankila, I wonder how he will migrate his data ;)
[12:03] <calebjohnson> ziroday: thanks for that
[12:03] <ziroday> calebjohnson: no worries, have fun!
[12:04] <vdub> could anyone explain what you need to do to a bash script to have it work in terminal no matter the directory its in?
[12:04] <ziroday> vdub: you need to put the script in /usr/bin and give it the correct permissions
[12:04] <kesherwani> i need help .. my ubuntu system is getting struck in middle of booting
[12:04] <calebjohnson> and that's because it's an executable directory right?
[12:04] <Krewl> RPG_Master: hmm tough one, but if you must get it back, I gues there is no other way.
[12:04] <MohammadRRR> Hi , How Can I Write a Script to shutdown computer in a time wthout requesting password /
[12:04] <MohammadRRR> ?
[12:04] <candyban> alankila, I second that ... I lost data once with lvm + striping (yeah ... I know now) ... lessons duly learned when I got driveseek errors after half a year
[12:04] <vdub> ziroday: is it chmod u+x?
[12:05] <kesherwani> strating up...
[12:05] <kesherwani> Loading, please wait...
[12:05] <kesherwani> check root=booting cat/proc/cmdline
[12:05] <kesherwani> or missing modules, devices: cat/proc/modules ls /dev
[12:05] <kesherwani> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-vvid/44c02152-eb7c-4ca8-b606-38cf65a6552f does not exist. Dr opping to a shell!
[12:05] <FloodBot1> kesherwani: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:05] <kesherwani> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3- 5ubuntu12) Built in shell(ash)
[12:05] <Krewl> RPG_Master: I'd start with a backup, so you can always try again and work off the backup copy.
[12:05] <candyban> alankila, but at the time the disks were more costly than the data that was on there ...
[12:05] <ziroday> vdub: a+x should do the trick
[12:05] <jrib> MohammadRRR: no script needed.  « shutdown » accepts a time argument
[12:05] <RPG_Master> Krewl: Are the files corrupted or are is it just the folder structure that's messed up
[12:05] <RPG_Master> ?
[12:05] <vdub> ziroday: thanks I couldnt remember appriciate the help
[12:06] <Krewl> no way for me to tell, itś your system
[12:06] <MohammadRRR> jrib: it require password I Want It Without Password
[12:06] <kesherwani> i am getting this prompt- initramfs
[12:06] <Krewl> RPG_Master: but do you know how to loop the file command to check each filename, and output the type to a textfile.
[12:06] <Krewl> I
[12:06] <kesherwani> struck in middle of booting
[12:07] <kesherwani> plz somebody help me
[12:07] <candyban> kesherwani, type vgchange -ay
[12:07] <candyban> kesherwani, you are using lvm?
[12:07] <ct529> candyban: yes, I always use cli .... just did not know anything about awk / xargs
[12:07] <RPG_Master> Krewl: Sir, I'm a 15 year old noob, so no :(
[12:07] <ziroday> MohammadRRR: you can do sudo shutdown <time>, or if you put that in a script then sudo foo,sh
[12:08] <Krewl> RPG_Master: I would try the following: Use file to determine the type, put output from file in a textfile, use that output to separate your files into groups (Like all *.mp3, all *.doc etc etc) and then use that to bulk rename the files to the extention  matching the type you discovered.
[12:08] <kesherwani> candyban , i am new to ubuntu ..don't know what does vm1 means .. but here the details that i am getting on my screen
[12:08] <kesherwani> candyban
[12:08] <kesherwani> ~floodbot@ubuntu/bot/floodbot
[12:09] <Krewl> RPG_Master: then put all of the same type in their own folder and then you have to check them by hand by opening them to see whats in.
[12:09] <candyban> kesherwani, is it a clean install?
[12:09] <Krewl> RPG_Master: but atleast this will focus your work on the type of files you'd like to recover
[12:09]  * alankila thinks linux should have a filesystem that spans multiple disks as separate unit managed in some intelligent way... anyone know if such a thing exists, and not talking about unionfs
[12:09] <AdvoWork> if ive just made a share on my freebsd/freenas box, as a NAS share, how would i mount this in ubuntu? i normally do this in /etc/fstab by doing  //ip/share /home/dir cifs exec
[12:10] <Krewl> RPG_Master: iĹLBE RIGHT BACK, PERHAPS A pm ?
[12:10] <Krewl> sorry caps
[12:10] <RPG_Master> ok
[12:10] <kesherwani> no , i have been using this OS for few months and today when i tried to strtat my system , i am getting thi s message -
[12:10] <kesherwani> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-vvid/44c02152-eb7c-4ca8-b606-38cf65a6552f does not exist. Dr opping to a shell!
[12:10] <kesherwani> BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3- 5ubuntu12) Built in shell(ash)
[12:10] <RPG_Master> I have like 10gigs of photos that can not be lost :(
[12:10] <alankila> I'd love to have something that allows treating multiple disks as one filesystem while keeping the filesystems still separate. The idea would be that toplevel directories would be located on different devices, or randomly, doesn't matter.
[12:10] <cbovy> hi all. quick question: is it possible to launch the Alternative Installer from the regular Live-CD? (I want to install with LVM support)
[12:10] <kesherwani> Enter 'help' for the list of built in commands
[12:10] <kesherwani> (initramfs)
[12:11] <candyban> alankila, why would you want that?
[12:11] <alankila> the point is that if you make such fs out of, say, 3 devices, then a file is on some of the 3 filesystems
[12:11] <candyban> kesherwani, did you make hardware changes? (e.g. removed a disk or so)
[12:11] <alankila> candyban: as a means to have advantages of raid0 without the huge disadvantage of very large filesystem and associated fsck penalties.
[12:11] <kesherwani> no, nothing..
[12:12] <kesherwani> might be poosible , that some virus might have crept through pen drive
[12:12] <kesherwani> strating up...
[12:12] <kesherwani> Loading, please wait...
[12:12] <kesherwani> check root=booting cat/proc/cmdline
[12:12] <kesherwani> or missing modules, devices: cat/proc/modules ls /dev
[12:12] <FloodBot1> kesherwani: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:12] <alankila> or well, some of the advantages of raid0 at least. The fact you can just treat the device as a large collection of data, but have some lighter recovery procedure in case of disk failure, like losing 1/3 of files in case of 3-disk-hybrid-monster, but no need to fsck or risk losing the entire filesystem.
[12:13] <AntiProxy> i have a fresh installation of bind9 on my ubuntu box.. i configured named.conf.options with listen-on { <IP_ADDRESS>; }; but netstat -nlp shows named listening on tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:53 (as configured) and udp <IP_ADDRESS>:53 .. how can i force it to listen to <IP_ADDRESS>:53 on UDP also?!
[12:14] <candyban> alankila, I don't think that will be possible ...
[12:14] <seryi> oe
[12:14] <seryi> q axeisç
[12:14] <alankila> candyban: no, because nobody has written such a thing.
[12:14] <alankila> candyban: maybe a project for me to write in fuse
[12:15] <seryi> google
[12:15] <seryi> eres tonto
[12:15] <seryi> hola idiotas
[12:16] <seryi> gilipoyas
[12:16] <candyban> alankila, it will be incredibly hard to write (I think) ... as how would you cope with files that span the 3 disks? ... what about directories that exist on one disk, but the files are on the other ... it would lead to huge inconsistencies
[12:16] <seryi> asdf8hgxcgnhgyancmftghygf
[12:16] <budmaester> Need help reloading OO
[12:16] <alankila> candyban: not at all. Firstly, you will make the same directories on all the disks.
[12:16] <guntbert> AntiProxy: <IP_ADDRESS>:53 means every address - so <IP_ADDRESS>:53 too
[12:17] <egsome> anyone know a good WYSIWYG html editor like M$ FrontPage works good on ubuntu ?
[12:17] <alankila> Store only the files at any of the 3 disks according to which has most free space, use that one. And when unlinking a file, unlink it on all 3, when listing files, scan all 3 directories .. it's not difficult at all
[12:17] <AntiProxy> guntbert, i know that :) i don't want bind9 listening on every address.. jsut <IP_ADDRESS>
[12:17] <alankila> Somewhat messy, though.
[12:18] <candyban> alankila, what when there are inconsistencies where you have the same filename on 2 disks with different content
[12:18] <calebjohnson> is there an open source unified communications package for linux?
[12:18] <alankila> candyban: unspecified results. The code will take care that this does not ordinarily happen.
[12:18] <Mystik> hi all
[12:18] <calebjohnson> similar to microsoft communications server
[12:18] <Mystik> somebody can help me?
[12:19] <DasEi> how can I reach safemode when booting with lilo ?
[12:19] <alankila> candyban: but if it does, the procedure of making filesystem consistent is to either unlink that file on all volumes, or to select one copy and decide this is the "official" one
[12:19] <budmaester> what to do if dependencies are missing?
[12:19] <justin22885> im really liking this lxde
[12:19] <DasEi> !ask | Mystik
[12:19] <candyban> alankila, what if one of the disks is full and you create a new directory ? :p
[12:20] <alankila> candyban: the mkdir will fail. This is of course a problem area: you have to succeed on all volumes before accepting the modification to the disks.
[12:21] <candyban> alankila, so if you have one full disk, your entire array is losing functionality?
[12:21] <kubanc> i saw that in my fstab there was no auto mounted partition for windows. i added it manualy, but, is default in options field enough for windows partition or should i add something specific?
[12:21] <alankila> candyban: you basically have to have a back-out procedure and locking. Attempt to mkdir on all disks, sync, if any fails, rmdir on all, return error to client. Very annoying, but such is life.
[12:21] <uyg> hi guys.  anyone knows how to manage sound volume without x?
[12:21] <erUSUL> DasEi: add a lilo entry that boots you with single as kernel parameter
[12:21] <nexsja> 'ello. Is it possible to split a partition without formatting it? I've got ~200Gb free on my home partition and i need to get another one with ~40-60Gb, can i do that without losing any data from my /home/ partition?
[12:21] <erUSUL> uyg: alsamixer?
[12:21] <alankila> candyban: yes. The disks would be filled evenly by storing new files on the volume with most space, and user could also rebalance manually, I guess.
[12:21] <erUSUL> nexsja: gparted should be able to do it.
[12:21] <uyg> ok thanks Ill try that,  you guys are great :)
[12:22] <alankila> candyban: the precise mechanics are somewhat difficult to sketch, though.
[12:22] <alankila> candyban: but I'm sure something reasonable could be whipped together.
[12:22] <candyban> alankila, the devil is in the details ;)
[12:22] <uyg> erUSUL:  tested alsamixer and loved it.  so cool
[12:22] <nexsja> erUSUL, do i need to have a live cd available? or i just apt-get and follow the wizard?
[12:22] <candyban> alankila, what if one disk was unavailable, and later added again
[12:22] <DasEi> erUSUL: tried as bootoption, nvm , I'll boot a live and slam grub over over it
[12:23] <Krewl> RPG_Master: Look at your PM, if you still need a hand
[12:23] <erUSUL> nexsja: it weould be easier if you do it from a livecd yes
[12:23] <RPG_Master> Krewl: Did you send me a PM?
[12:24] <Krewl> a lot yeah
[12:24] <alankila> candyban: it results in changes in the union, of course. But the changes are benign: files you have deleted may reappear, some directories that are expected to be there could turn out missing. These are the sort of thing you could and should write a fsck for. On the main I wouldn't expect too many problems, though.
[12:24] <RPG_Master> Krewl: Sorry, Now I see it :P
[12:24] <guntbert> AntiProxy: see http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-bsd-bind-dns-listenon-configuration/
[12:25] <AntiProxy> guntbert, i saw this before i came here.. it doesn't show any additional directives :(
[12:25] <AntiProxy> my configuration uses the exact same setup ( listen-on... )
[12:25] <Lord-Readman> carl, it got approved http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ideatorrent/idea/23732
[12:25] <alankila> candyban: the point here is to keep it simple. The principal notion is that it's just an union mount: you see all filesystems on top of each other, no file should be on more than one, the same directories should be present on all. Violate these and you need some kind of fsck to recover, but the fsck could easily be online / fix problems as they appear. The only real problem is same file on two devices, because in that case there is no right solution
[12:25] <candyban> alankila, feel free to write it ... no offence, but I will be sticking to LVM ;)
[12:25] <zvacet> kubanc:  see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=872197&highlight=pysdm
[12:26] <guntbert> AntiProxy: sorry - yes of course - it seems I'm not too fit today - maybe you better ask in #ubuntu-server
[12:26] <alankila> candyban: yes. I just got the idea that it would be better to define volume expansion with file as the fundamental unit rather than block
[12:27] <alankila> this is much more sysadmin-friendly way to do it, because it avoids the large filesystems problem and there are more tools available -- and ordinary tools at that -- for examining the "fileraid0"
[12:27] <szymon> elo
[12:27] <guntbert> !ot | alankila
[12:27] <szymon> elo
[12:27] <AntiProxy> thanks guntbert  :)
[12:27] <alankila> guntbert: I know. I also mention that I have ignored ubottu long time ago :)
[12:27] <szymon> =)
[12:28] <candyban> alankila, the advantage you would get by the "split" devices is dwarfed by the risk to lose data integrity
[12:28] <candyban> alankila, at leas in my environments
[12:28] <guntbert> alankila: candyban please take that discussion elsewhere - nothing to do with ubuntu support
[12:28] <candyban> alankila, when I delete a file/directory, I want/need it to be permanently gone
[12:29] <Promethes> hi i replaced my ide dvdrw drive with sata dvdrw drive and i cannot burn any cd or dvd anymore, anyone knows where the problem may be?
[12:31] <calebjohnson> how do you get a terminal to stick to your background so it appears as to be the background image?
[12:31] <candyban> Promethes, what is the device you used before? (/dev/dvdrw ?) ... is the symlink perhaps still pointing to the old device /dev/hdx rather than /dev/sdx
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> Promethes:  check what /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdrw and other /dev/XXX links are pointing to
[12:33] <Promethes> candyban: /dev/scd0 was before, now is /dev/sr0
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> calebjohnson:  there several tricks to do it. but i dont know what ones work, or any specifc apps for it these days. you may want to google for 'root terminal' or 'terminal in root window'
[12:34] <Krewl> Quick Quiestion, default password for default user in live CD? for becoming Root
[12:35] <bjorn_> How can I mount and watch a dvd iso using linux?
[12:35] <Promethes> Dr_Willis: there is no /dev/dvd or /dev/dvdr in my system
[12:35] <looksharp> Dr
[12:35] <cbsch> Krewl: I think you can `sudo su` without any password on the live cd.
[12:35] <Krewl> ah nice
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> bjorn_:  vlc/mplayer i recall can play the iso file directly.
[12:35] <candyban> Promethes, did you configure your burning software to use the new device? (ps. did you check file permissions?)
[12:35] <AdvoWork> im doing: mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>:zimbra_full_backups /home/zimbra_full_backups  and getting:  mount: <IP_ADDRESS>:zimbra_full_backups failed, reason given by server: Permission denied    any ideas please?
[12:36] <bjorn_> Dr_Willis, brilliant!
[12:36] <guntbert> Krewl: cbsch: just sudo (no need for sudo su)
[12:37] <Krewl> guntbert thanx
[12:37] <Promethes> candyban: yes, everything with permissions is ok /dev/sr0 have 660 with cdrom group
[12:37] <Krewl> and cbsch
[12:37] <candyban> Promethes, and your burning application is using /dev/sr0 rather than /dev/scd0 ?
[12:37] <guntbert> Krewl: if you *really* need a shell with root permissions use sudo -s or sudo -i
[12:38] <candyban> Promethes, you could try to make a symlink ... ln -s /dev/sr0 /dev/scd0
[12:38] <Krewl> file recovery in lost+fiund so yes need a root shell, not on my machine though
[12:38] <Promethes> candyban: this symlink already exists,