[01:19] <_steven_> I am not able to successfully connect to bazaar.launchpad.net either through sftp or ssh when pushing a branch or just connecting directly
[01:19] <_steven_> any ideas?
[01:19] <kiko> _steven_, really? tell me more. or hmm let me try first!
[01:20] <_steven_> I should be able to ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>right?
[01:20] <kiko> no
[01:21] <kiko> our bazaar codehost isn't really an SSH service
[01:21] <_steven_> ok, so sftp probably doesn't work that way either
[01:21] <kiko> _steven_, tell me what you are trying to do via the bzr client?
[01:22] <_steven_> bzr push
[01:22] <kiko> the exact commandline :)
[01:23] <_steven_> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:23] <_steven_> that command times out for me
[01:23] <kiko> _steven_, first question is whether it's ever worked.
[01:23] <_steven_> no
[01:23] <kiko> okay. can you ping bazaar.launchpad.net?
[01:24] <_steven_> yes
[01:24] <kiko> and can you bzr branch lp:linuxdcpp?
[01:24] <thumper> _steven_: what version of bzr are you using? and on which platform?
[01:25] <_steven_> 1.3.1 on hardy
[01:25] <spiv> _steven_: you can do "sftp bazaar.launchpad.net", it's just "ssh ..." that fails because you can't get a shell on that host.
[01:25] <thumper> _steven_: `bzr lp-login` output?
[01:26] <_steven_> I've been able to bzr branch lp:linuxdcpp previously
[01:26] <spiv> _steven_: so "sftp -v bazaar.launchpad.net" may help you diagnose the problem
[01:26] <_steven_> bzr lp-login  is steven-sheehy
[01:27] <_steven_> right now bzr branch lp:linuxdcpp is either really slow or not working
[01:27] <thumper> _steven_: it doesn't give the best feedback in the world
[01:27] <thumper> _steven_: it is probably working
[01:29] <_steven_> sftp -vv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>gets past "Authentication succeeded (publickey)." and hangs at "debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 131072 rmax 32768"
[01:30] <spiv> _steven_: hmm, it's very shortly after that point that I get an (sftp) prompt where I can type "ls", etc.
[01:30] <spiv> _steven_: as in, debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 131072 rmax 32768
[01:30] <spiv> debug2: Remote version: 3
[01:30] <spiv> sftp>
[01:31] <spiv> Anyway, that shows that you're authenticating to bazaar.launchpad.net ok.
[01:32] <_steven_> so any ideas?
[01:33] <spiv> Try adding -Dhpss to your bzr command, i.e. running "bzr -Dhpss push bzr+ssh://..."
[01:33] <spiv> Then watch ~/.bzr.log
[01:35] <_steven_> now I get connection timed out when I run bzr branch lp:linuxdcpp
[01:35] <_steven_> ok, I'll try that
[01:37] <spiv> That will show some details of the bzr+ssh conversation.  Feel free to pastebin the log.
[01:39] <spiv> _steven_: FWIW, everything seems to be working normally for me as far as I can tell
[01:40] <spiv> _steven_: are you doing a push atm?
[01:40] <_steven_> yes, looks like it's going to timeout again
[01:40] <spiv> _steven_: huh, that's weird.
[01:40] <spiv> _steven_: do you have anything unusual in your ~/.ssh/config ?
[01:41] <_steven_> don't have a config file
[01:41] <spiv> (I don't see any sign on the server that you've started a smart server session)
[01:41] <spiv> Hmm.  And plain sftp hung for you.
[01:42] <spiv> That's sounding like a weird network problem, maybe?
[01:42] <_steven_> is there anything I need to do to setup beforehand?
[01:42] <_steven_> the key on my launchpad site matches the one in my id_rsa.pub
[01:42] <spiv> Yeah, and the key works.
[01:42] <spiv> Because you got "Authentication succeeded (publickey)" from sftp -vv
[01:43] <_steven_> I've tried pushing with sftp to with no luck
[01:43] <spiv> At this point I'd be trying tcpdump (or wireshark), I think :(
[01:43] <_steven_> last thing in .bzr.log is 0.179  ssh implementation is OpenSSH
[01:43] <spiv> I've seen MTU problems cause SSH connections to hang mysteriously.
[01:44] <spiv> Right, so it's not successfully establishing an SSH session either, just like sftp.
[01:45] <spiv> Definitely sounding like a network issue.  Do you know how to use tcpdump or wireshark? :)
[01:45] <_steven_> kind of
[01:45] <spiv> Also, if you have an SSH account somewhere else, see if you can sftp to that host (or even bzr push sftp://that-host/...)
[01:47] <spiv> "kind of" is probably good enough. :)   I think we're just interested in something obviously strange like the connection hanging because your side sends a packet but never gets an ACK, for instance.
[01:47] <spiv> I am just stabbing in dark, though.
[01:49] <spiv> All I can really say for sure is that our systems seem to be working normally, and I can use bazaar.launchpad.net just fine from my laptop here in Sydney, so it seems likely to be something strange on your end.
[02:19] <_steven_> thanks for all the help everyone :)
[02:20] <kiko> _steven_, did it work? :)
[02:20] <kiko> hey emgent!
[02:21] <_steven_> kiko: yeah, I was using wireless so I hooked up ethernet from my router and it worked
[02:22] <emgent> hello kiko :)
[02:22] <spm> _steven_: funky firewall rules on the wireless interface vs wired perhaps?
[02:23] <kiko> _steven_, cool. I was a bit concerned at first because we had just rolled out new code for 2.0 and I don't like problems popping up 5 minutes after we roll out!
[02:23] <kiko> emgent, how do you like https://edge.launchpad.net/ now? :)
[02:27] <kiko> not so much it sounds!
[02:40] <jamesh> looks pretty
[02:44] <kiko> jamesh :)
[02:44] <jamesh> although the "this site is running pre-release code" bar looks a bit out of place
[02:45] <jamesh> on https://launchpad.net, the tabs look more connected to the breadcrumbs
[02:45] <kiko> jamesh, yeah, mpt chided me for doing that. But I hated the floating bar at the top.. hopefully there's another solution which we can produce.
[02:46] <jamesh> kiko: attach it to the top of the screen instead of making it float?
[02:46] <kiko> jamesh, think it'd look okay?
[02:46] <jamesh> kiko: I don't think it'd look any worse than what we had before
[02:46] <jamesh> and I'm not sure where else to put such a message
[02:47] <kiko> jamesh, I want BETTER!!
[02:47] <jamesh> It doesn't necessarily need to be a dark grey bar with white text either
[02:47] <jamesh> we could use something more subtle ...
[02:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: ah, i was *wondering* why i was getting mail about a bzr branch i'd never heard of before.  gotta love LP bugs.
[02:47] <Hobbsee> or features.
[02:48] <Hobbsee> wgrant: which recent events?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> jamesh: funny, i liked that bar there.  it actually made the top panel look more asthetically pleasing.
[03:03] <_steven_> is it possible to push a branch to a project and not have to store it in your user area?
[03:05] <_steven_> like have it stored at https://code.launchpad.net/~linuxdcpp/linuxdcpp/trunk vs https://code.launchpad.net/~steven-sheehy/linuxdcpp/trunk
[03:06] <persia> _steven_: Not really, although some teams will have team branches as the product branch trunk.
[03:10] <kiko> _steven_, well, one thing to point out is /~linuxdcpp is a team.
[03:10] <kiko> _steven_, (note the leading ~)
[03:11] <kiko> _steven_, I would assume when reading that URL that it's an official branch for that project. is that right?
[03:11] <kiko> i.e. maintained by the project core team
[03:12] <_steven_> kiko: it's not a real link, just an example
[03:13] <kiko> _steven_, sure. but did you understand my point? you can create a team called linuxdcpp and hand the branch over to the team.
[03:13] <_steven_> yeah, just wondering why we can't store the branch in the project
[03:14] <kiko> _steven_, because branches are tied to people always -- it makes it clear who owns it (which is, in reality, who can commit to it)
[03:14] <kiko> _steven_, note that you can use lp:linuxdcpp to pull and push the official branch, so the long URL is only visible to people using specific branches
[03:14] <wgrant> Hobbsee: DNS vulnerabilities.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ah, yes.
[03:16] <_steven_> kiko: ok, got it now. makes sense
[03:16] <kiko> cool
[03:18] <wgrant> kiko: On a related note, is there a way ~ubuntu-dev can avoid being spammed by branch merge proposals?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> wgrant: is there a mail address set for it?
[03:19] <kiko> wgrant, I was going to bring that up with thumper -- but you can too
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i'm sure i poked and prodded enough to get addresses set for all three...
[03:19] <kiko> and should
[03:19] <wgrant> Hobbsee: No, but we don't want one AFAIK.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> wgrant: why not?
[03:19] <wgrant> Then the list will get spammed.
[03:19] <thumper> ??
[03:19] <Hobbsee> wgrant: only if you point it at the list.
[03:19] <thumper> wgrant: which branch?
[03:19] <thumper> wgrant: or proposal
[03:19] <wgrant> I think the concept of commiter == reviewer is a bit wrong.
[03:20] <wgrant> thumper: ~jazzva/firefox-extensions/firefox-sage.ubuntu
[03:20] <thumper> wgrant: I'm not sure where you get the idea that "committer == reviewer"
[03:20] <wgrant> thumper: Well, we're all spammed when somebody proposes a branch for reviewing.
[03:21] <wgrant> thumper: (we being people with commit rights)
[03:21] <thumper> wgrant: if you don't want the emails, then edit the branch subscription for the ubuntu development team to not get code review emails
[03:22] <thumper> wgrant: the default behaviour is (in my opinion) the right way
[03:22] <thumper> wgrant: most people want to know if someone is suggesting an update or fix
[03:22] <persia> thumper: By "most people" do you mean the set of committers, or the primary set of authors?
[03:23]  * rockstar is in most people
[03:23] <persia> Consider the case where you have a small team that does most of the work (and wants to see all the proposed merges), and a larger team who can commit for integration purposes.
[03:23] <thumper> persia: I mean the vast majority of branch owners (which are individuals)
[03:23] <wgrant> Wasn't there a distinction between authors and owners before?
[03:23] <wgrant> And I see now that we are indeed subscribed - it's not implicit from owning it.
[03:23] <thumper> wgrant: that was somewhat crack
[03:24] <kiko> heh
[03:24] <wgrant> Not for our cases.
[03:24] <thumper> wgrant: it was a specific design decision not to have implicit email
[03:24] <persia> thumper: Why?  As long as we aren't talking about individuals, they are often different.  Restricting to individuals doesn't feel very collaborative.
[03:25] <wgrant> thumper: Right, that makes sense, or there'd be no escape for us.
[03:25] <rockstar> persia, how is it restricting?
[03:25] <persia> rockstar: restricting the examined set of use cases
[03:26] <thumper> persia: but if you have a team branch, and the team is subscribed, then the team is notified
[03:26] <thumper> persia: I don't get your point
[03:26] <rockstar> +1 thumper
[03:26] <thumper> persia: which is wgrant's problem
[03:26] <persia> thumper: Except that the team that can commit may not be identical to the team that is the primary driver.
[03:26] <wgrant> Correct.
[03:26] <wgrant> ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-mozillateam in this case.
[03:26] <thumper> persia: right, but the team that can commit is normally interested in what is landing
[03:26] <wgrant> Normally.
[03:26] <wgrant> But again you forget that we are a distro.
[03:26] <wgrant> We are big.
[03:26] <wgrant> We are not normal.
[03:26] <persia> thumper: What is landing, yes, but not what is proposed.
[03:27] <persia> Well, I'd expect to see the same for e.g. GNOME.  Any sufficiently large project.
[03:27] <thumper> my response then is "why does the branch allow commits from people who aren't interested in it?"
[03:28] <wgrant> thumper: Because that's how distros like Ubuntu work.
[03:28] <wgrant> thumper: I might need to change a dependency, but not want to watch the branch closely.
[03:28] <persia> thumper: You are conflating "interest in the current state of the branch" with "interest in proposed changes to the branch".
[03:28] <mwhudson> i suspect this conversation is a bit over-specific
[03:29] <persia> mwhudson: Why so?  Any large project has the same issues.  Distros are one example, but one could say the same for e.g. KDE.
[03:29] <wgrant> And Ubuntu isn't a minor user of LP...
[03:29] <mwhudson> persia: just in that we're talking in terms of what launchpad does now
[03:29] <thumper> if the distro branches are *special* then they should have special subscriptions
[03:29] <Hobbsee> wgrant: sure, but they're going for projects.  the size thing is irrelevant.
[03:29] <rockstar> persia, distros work just a bit differently than large, single projects.
[03:29] <thumper> so the larger team gets commit emails
[03:30] <persia> thumper: But it's not just distros.  Any large project will have the same issue
[03:30] <mwhudson> Hobbsee: for heavens sake
[03:30] <thumper> and the smaller team gets the proposals
[03:30] <wgrant> Hobbsee: I made that point earlier.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ah
[03:30] <persia> rockstar: Yes, but both have different sets of interest within the project.
[03:31] <persia> s/different/differing/
[03:31] <Hobbsee> persia: presumably the large project has a responsibility to operate around launchpad's limitations, then.
[03:31] <rockstar> Unfortunately, the default is not specific to the distro.
[03:31] <thumper> if someone proposes a merge, it is a bug to have no-one notified
[03:31] <persia> Hobbsee: That's not a useful argument from the point of view of defining how behaviour should be defined.
[03:31] <thumper> what we did seemed like a sensible default
[03:32] <thumper> however it is just a default
[03:32] <thumper> if it doesn't work for you
[03:32] <thumper> you can update it
[03:32] <persia> thumper: can it be changed on a per-branch basis, rather than a per-team basis?
[03:32] <thumper> persia: all are on a per-branch basis
[03:32] <thumper> with source package branches we may have a different default
[03:32] <wgrant> Are we going to have source package branches soon?
[03:32] <thumper> distro branches are different to upstream branches
[03:32] <rockstar> Hobbsee, we are quite mindful of the issues with the distro, and are trying to find ways of making things easier for you.
[03:33] <thumper> wgrant: define soon?
[03:33] <jml> wgrant: it's a very high priority for us
[03:33] <thumper> wgrant: we are planning to do these before the end of the year
[03:33] <wgrant> thumper: LP soon... two years seems to be about right.
[03:33] <persia> thumper: Just to make sure, it will be possible to have separate sets of people notified for commits to trunk vs. proposals?
[03:33] <wgrant> Aha, that's good.
[03:33] <jml> wgrant: Mark will skin us if it takes two years ;)
[03:33] <thumper> persia: yes it is right now
[03:33] <wgrant> persia: This seems to be a new feature - I hadn't noticed it before, but it's there now.
[03:33] <persia> thumper: Ah.  My misunderstanding then.  My apologies: I hadn't seen that.
[03:33] <thumper> wgrant: the feature has been there for quite some time
[03:34] <Hobbsee> rockstar: ah.  I hope for the distro-related soyuz stuff to get implemented, so more community members can deal with integral parts of the distro, then.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> hopefully, that will be distro-agnostic, to be useful for any other distros that join.
[03:35] <rockstar> Hobbsee, unfortunately, I cannot comment on that.  I just wanted to make sure you understood that the distro specific stuff is a priority for us.
[03:35] <thumper> we really do want both "upstream projects" and "disto" use of the LP code features to work for them (easily)
[03:36] <thumper> s/disto/distro/
[03:36] <Hobbsee> rockstar: right.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> rockstar: full credit for not breaking the package accepting stuff, this ubuntu release, though.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> (thanks!)
[03:37] <rockstar> Hobbsee, I cannot take credit for that either.  :)
[03:37] <mwhudson> which branches does ~ubuntu-dev own currently?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> rockstar: which bit do you do?  QA?
[03:37] <rockstar> Code.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:38] <wgrant> mwhudson: Good to know it's not only the users who can't discover the UI. https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev, perhaps?
[03:38] <mwhudson> (in particular, would they be source package branches if such things existed?)
[03:38] <mwhudson> wgrant: i guess i didn't phrase that right
[03:39] <wgrant> mwhudson: THey would be.
[03:39] <wgrant> Except maybe a couple.
[03:39] <mwhudson> wgrant: good to know
[03:40] <persia> wgrant: Which wouldn't be source package branches?  Many of the native packages have dedicated teams, and encouraging that practice seems appropriate in many cases.
[03:40] <jml> so, just to be clear, they are owned by ~ubuntu-dev because everyone in ~ubuntu-dev should be allowed to commit to them?
[03:40] <wgrant> jml: Correct.
[03:40] <wgrant> persia: We have some upstream branches because upstream isn't using LP.
[03:40] <jml> wgrant: that surprises me a little
[03:40] <persia> wgrant: Ah, right.
[03:41] <wgrant> jml: Why?
[03:41] <wgrant> jml: That's how Ubuntu works.
[03:41] <persia> jml: Everyone in ~ubuntu-dev can commit to every package in universe, much as everyone in ~ubuntu-core-dev can commit to every package in Main.
[03:42] <jml> wgrant: I guess I would have, in my ignorance, expected that Ubuntu would follow the principle of least privilege.
[03:42] <persia> jml: It does.
[03:42] <wgrant> jml: We have too little manpower to restrict it any more.
[03:42] <skavez> how do you delete a project?
[03:43] <wgrant> We have two levels of privileges, though Soyuz does support more now.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> jml: obviously, ~ubuntu-dev could be a member of ~mozillateam
[03:43] <Hobbsee> whether that's a good, scalable solution, is a good question
[03:43] <jml> skavez: you have to contact a Launchpad admin. Best thing to do is ask a question on the launchpad project
[03:43] <persia> Hobbsee: Hrm?  Do you mean a member of ~ubuntu-dev, or the team?
[03:43] <skavez> jml: thanks
[03:43] <jml> Hobbsee: I'm missing something...
[03:43] <Hobbsee> persia: the team.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> wait, that wouldn't stop the mail problem.
[03:44] <jml> wgrant: I don't quite get how the two are related
[03:44] <jml> wgrant: manpower and more granular privileges, that is
[03:44] <persia> Hobbsee: It would actually exacerbate it.
[03:44] <wgrant> jml: We have a small number of people, many of whom have a small amount of time.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jml: ~mozillateam:  team actually cares about the branch stuff, and wants to know about every update.  ~ubuntu-dev: team that needs to commit occasionally, but doesn't want to know more than they have to
[03:44] <wgrant> jml: Restricting privileges could well limit the number of people with available time to zero. Which is bad.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> if that helps
[03:45] <Hobbsee> persia: yeah, i just thought of that.
[03:45] <persia> Not just time, but vertical applications: if someone wants to e.g. update all the packages that depend on an obsolete library, that is work worth doing even if that person has not previously worked on those packages.
[03:45] <Hobbsee> wgrant: why doesn't ~ubuntu-dev just branch any changes, and ~mozillateam merge them across into the main branch?
[03:46] <wgrant> Hobbsee: That would block on ~mozillateam, because one shouldn't upload before it's merged.
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hmm.
[03:46] <jml> wgrant: so, what I was thinking of is having a team like ~python-motu-maintainers, that team could own the package branches for python packages in universe, and then people who want to contribute just ask to be members of that team
[03:47] <jml> wgrant: I'm not suggesting this exactly, just trying to understand the situation more
[03:48] <wgrant> jml: And then somebody comes along, needs to do 600 rebuilds, and swears violently at having to join 300 teams.
[03:49] <jml> wgrant: you need to edit a branch to do a rebuild?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> wgrant: with some restricted ones, so they're blocked on getting accepted.
[03:49] <wgrant> People often need to touch packages only once.
[03:49] <wgrant> jml: Changelogs, yes.
[03:49] <persia> jml: It is precisely that model of which Ubuntu exists in protest.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> jml: if you want to keep the branch equal to what's in the archive...yes
[03:49] <jml> wgrant, Hobbsee: ok. that makes things clearer to me :)
[03:49] <wgrant> jml: If one doesn't do that, the branch owners get very annoyed when their next upload fails.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> and if they're not equal, then people stop using bzr and such very quickly.
[03:50] <Hobbsee> (as we found)
[03:50] <persia> jml: Essentially, Ubuntu discards the concept of "package maintainer" in the interest of integration.  While individuals have foci, they are not blocked on others when the work requires changes to several packages.
[03:50] <wgrant> Mhm.
[03:50] <jml> persia: I thought Ubuntu existed in protest of Debian's inability to release ;)
[03:50] <wgrant> jml: That too.
[03:50] <persia> jml: Perhaps.  I'm not sure the two aren't unrelated.
[03:50] <wgrant> Though they do seem better now.
[03:50] <persia> Consider the difficulties of release management when even the release manager isn't supposed to fix a known problem without some response from a package maintainer.
[03:51] <persia> wgrant: Much more widespread use of 0-day NMU
[03:51] <jml> ok.
[03:51] <wgrant> persia: Indeed. I was a victim of one whilst waiting for sponsorship. I wasn't pleased.
[03:51] <wgrant> It's like going half-way to full group maintenance.
[03:51] <wgrant> Which is bad.
[03:52] <persia> wgrant: Indeed, and complicated by the lack of a central mechanism to track candidates: this is why I think putting candidates on mentors or REVU is broken, and advocate debdiffs and checking for bugs when uploading.
[03:52] <jml> so, from the perspective of branches, I think a lot of this will be addressed by source package branches.
[03:52] <wgrant> persia: Indeed, that works well. Anyway, back to the topic at hand.
[03:53] <wgrant> jml: As long as somebody doesn't blindly implement them without asking anybody who has ever worked in a distro, sure.
[03:53] <jml> because the current plan is for them to have the same write permissions as the source packages to which they correspond
[03:53] <persia> jml: Depends on the implementation.
[03:53] <wgrant> That makes sense.
[03:53] <jml> wgrant: well, I flew to Prague specifically to talk to Colin and others about it :)
[03:54] <wgrant> jml: You also want to talk to universe people as well. We work somewhat differently again.
[03:55] <persia> An additional interest group might be the flavour developers, who often have additional different processes.
[03:55] <rockstar> wgrant, I think it would be difficult to cover every single possible workflow, but we will do our best.
[03:55] <jml> good points, both
[03:55] <mwhudson> er
[03:55] <mwhudson> what are we doing now, other than talking to distro people?
[03:55] <persia> rockstar: I think the important part is to be aware which workflows are being broken, rather than supporting them.
[03:56] <jml> also, we actually do change stuff based on feedback :)
[03:57] <rockstar> persia, is there a wiki page with specific launchpad workflows?
[03:57] <rockstar> That mould be an excellent start
[03:57] <persia> rockstar: There isn't one.  This was by decision.  Each workflow is documented in a page addressing the specific sort of work.
[03:58] <rockstar> persia, can I please have an example?
[03:58] <persia> rockstar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:59] <jml> so, on a slight tangent
[03:59] <persia> That documents the interaction with bugs, upload targets, etc. for an update.  Each type of thing done (aside from trivial bug closure) is likely to have a similar page.
[04:00] <jml> I'd be happy to fix a bug in Launchpad in exchange for an equivalent bug in Ubuntu :)
[04:00] <jml> there's this thing with my volume control...
[04:00] <persia> jml: Any bug?
[04:00] <jml> persia: not any bug :)
[04:01] <persia> That's not as interesting then :)
[04:02] <mwhudson> heh
[04:03] <jml> although almost everything in launchpad-bazaar is fair game.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> jml: i thought ubuntu people demanded payment in beer :P
[04:06]  * rockstar can be bribed in coke
[04:06] <jml> Hobbsee: I moved on to whisky months ago
[04:06] <rockstar> Er, the dark liquid kind...
[04:06] <Hobbsee> heh :)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> rockstar++
[04:24] <wgrant> Ooh dear.
[04:24] <wgrant> NZ's string dried out?
[04:24] <wgrant> Oh, same connection. I see.
[04:47] <hyperair> is there a way to request a rebuild of a package in ppa or has that feature been removed?
[04:57] <wgrant> hyperair: You've always had to upload a new version, unless you mean retrying a failed build.
[04:58] <hyperair> yes.
[04:58] <hyperair> i meant that
[04:58] <hyperair> retrying a failed build
[04:58] <hyperair> there used to be a button for that
[04:58] <wgrant> It's in the usual place.
[04:58] <hyperair> but i can't seem to find it anymore
[04:58] <hyperair> =\
[04:58] <hyperair> where?
[04:58] <wgrant> Somewhere on that page.
[04:58] <wgrant> Let me see...
[04:58] <hyperair> it used to be in the build log page
[04:58] <hyperair> oh nevermind
[04:58] <hyperair> i just realized i wasn't logged in
[04:58] <hyperair> jeez this is stupid
[04:59] <hyperair> of all things
[04:59] <wgrant> Heh.
[05:00] <hyperair> okay i fuond it =D
[05:00] <hyperair> hmm how long does it take for the .deb to be published after the build is successful?
[05:14] <wgrant> hyperair: Up to 20 minutes. They are currently published at XX:00, XX:20, XX:40.
[05:15] <hyperair> i see.
[05:19] <halg> hello
[05:20] <halg> while using launchpad, tried to list code files for revision.  Got message telling me to come here.
[05:20] <rockstar> halg, can you be a bit more specific?
[05:20] <halg> sorry.
[05:20] <halg> Hold on while I get the specifics.
[05:22] <halg> I was in mysql project.
[05:22] <mwhudson> ah
[05:22] <halg> Just kind of browsing, getting used to the code base and the lp system.
[05:22] <rockstar> halg, can you post a url?
[05:22] <halg> Sure.
[05:22] <halg> Here:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emysql/mysql-server/mysql-5.1/annotate/2673?file_id=sp1f-buffer.cc-20041023073145-aao3dolyuw7jezlyrdgfk6nbxzxhy47c
[05:22] <halg> (yucch)
[05:23] <halg> Anyway, I tried to click on "browse files" (I think as I recall)
[05:23] <mwhudson> yeah, some of the mysql branches stress the code browsing rather a lot :/
[05:23] <halg> (Don't really remember what I was doing since I was just getting familiarized)
[05:23] <mwhudson> halg: the page loaded for me, maybe try again?
[05:23] <halg> OK, so I get this error page telling me to come here.
[05:23] <halg> Suer.
[05:23] <halg> hold on.
[05:24] <halg> Hmmm.  I thought I had selected something else.
[05:24] <halg> But anyway, it sounds like patience is the order of the day.
[05:24] <halg> Every day I mean.
[05:24] <halg> Mysql is a huge project.
[05:25] <mwhudson> yes, we noticed :)
[05:25] <halg> So the webserver is getting a bit bogged down?
[05:25] <mwhudson> yes
[05:25] <halg> So, under what conditions should I be concerned, if ever.
[05:25] <halg> ?
[05:25] <rockstar> halg, I don't think you need to be concerned.  That's our job.  :)
[05:26] <halg> Well, what I mean is re: mitigating damage to the repository or other services.
[05:26] <halg> I would hate to be in the middle of a transaction of some sort and cause corruption.
[05:26] <mwhudson> for bazaar.launchpad.net stuff, unfortunately, we know ABOUT the problems, but fixing them is going to take some work
[05:26] <mwhudson> halg: this sort of thing has no chance of corrupting data
[05:26] <halg> No way for ME, a user, to trash things?
[05:27] <mwhudson> no
[05:27] <halg> If the system gets bogged way down.
[05:27] <halg> Good!
[05:27] <halg> Relieved to hear that.
[05:27] <mwhudson> i mean, if you have the right to upload to the branch, you can mess things up that way
[05:27] <mwhudson> but not by browsing from the web
[05:28] <halg> Right.  But I meant in terms of just doing what I am supposed to, not an error in my content chagnes.
[05:28] <halg> changes.
[05:28] <mwhudson> right
[05:28] <halg> Thanks for your help.
[05:28] <mwhudson> no worries
[05:28] <halg> I'm sure I'll be back at some point ...
[05:28] <mwhudson> hope so :)
[05:28] <halg> ???
[05:28] <halg> You want me back?
[05:28] <halg> I'd think no news is good news!
[05:29] <halg> Later!
[05:30] <mwhudson> it's nice to hear from our users from time to time :)
[05:31] <halg> I'll see what I can break and get back to you.
[05:33] <wgrant> Why do branch merge proposal emails not respect team contact addresses?
[05:34] <jml> wgrant: what do you mean by "respect"?
[05:34] <wgrant> jml: They seem to spam all members regardless of the team contact address.
[05:35] <jml> wgrant: that's a bug.
[05:35] <wgrant> Oh. I see.
[05:35] <wgrant> Maybe it does.
[05:35] <wgrant> But this team has an email address, but it's somehow not set as the contact address.
[05:36] <jml> oh ok.
[05:36] <jml> wgrant: which team?
[05:36] <wgrant> ubuntu-dev
[05:37] <wgrant> What a confusing UI.
[05:39] <jml> wgrant: please file a bug if you find a bit of the UI confusing
[05:39] <jml> wgrant: especially if you can provide a suggestion for making it less so.
[05:39] <wgrant> I plan to.
[07:22] <\sh> does anyone know where the bzr repo is hiding for the new python lib for the new lp api? leonov needs to get hands on :)
[07:26] <jml> \sh: I'm not 100% sure it has been released yet.
[07:26]  * \sh needs to talk to gmb then ;)
[10:22] <sabdfl> gmb, \sh: that lib should be available for anyone who wants to prototype and play
[10:22] <wgrant> Isn't it meant to be released to beta testers some time this week?
[10:23] <wgrant> (hi sabdfl)
[10:23] <sabdfl> hi
[10:23] <sabdfl> afaic it was supposed to be released a month ago, when the initial api pieces landed, though it's no doubt rough
[10:24] <wgrant> Rough is much better than private in this case, IMO.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> does it work, though?
[10:24] <wgrant> Hobbsee: If we can make screenscraping work, we can make a broken proper API work.
[10:28] <\sh> sabdfl: ah good to hear :)
[10:30] <\sh> sabdfl / gmb: if someone can point me to a place where I can export/branch it, we'll start right away with an implementation in leonov :)
[10:31] <gmb> \sh: Off the top of my head, I don't know where that is (it's not something that I've personally been working on). I'll find out for you, though, and get back to you.
[10:31] <\sh> gmb: thx a lot :)
[10:33] <\sh> wgrant: well, I don't know how thekorn thinks about it, but I think it's good to have two ways working for a little time...but regarding my work on py-lp-bugs, I don't want to see everything screenscraped in general ;)
[10:43]  * \sh is brb...marathon meeting
[10:51] <sabdfl> barry is the person who was responsible for the library, iirc
[11:36] <aa_> hi, is it possible to send copy of all announcements to an email address?
[11:38] <intellectronica> aa_: not in launchpad itself, but i'm sure there are rss to email gateways out there you could use
[11:39] <aa_> intellectronica: great, just saw I can get a feed of them
[11:42] <aa_> intellectronica: don''t suppose you know of any such services?
[11:47] <intellectronica> aa_: http://www.google.com/search?q=email+rss
[12:00] <aa_> ok thanks
[13:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[13:02] <mpt> wgrant, unfortunately there isn't really a "that part of the code" that grep could be pointed at
[13:03] <wgrant> mpt: I haven't seen Open or Closed used anywhere except that page, so I presumed it would have been somewhere local to that page.
[13:04] <mpt> hm, only 70 occurrences
[13:04] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[13:04] <mpt> shouldn't be that difficult :-)
[15:08] <Annabel> hi all,
[15:08] <Annabel> I am in the process of releasing a major open source package for matlab and I wondered whether users could have SVN client access to the trunk branch of a project.
[15:08] <Annabel> I have sought on the documentation wiki, but did not found the answer
[15:08] <Annabel> any help?
[15:08] <Annabel> or suggestions?
[15:32] <mrevell> Hey jelmer, would bzr-svn help Annabel ^^^^
[15:39] <jelmer> hi Matthew, Annabel
[15:40] <jelmer> Subversion client access to bzr branches isn't supported yet by bzr-svn, although there has been work on it
[15:40] <Annabel> Hi jelmer and mrevell
[15:40] <Annabel> ah OK
[15:40] <mrevell> thanks jelmerl
[15:41] <Annabel> I guess the same is true for client CVS access ...
[15:41] <jelmer> you should be able to keep a copy of the bzr branch in Subversion though (instead of direct access)
[15:43] <jelmer> Annabel, yeah, although it's harder to maintain a copy of the bzr branch in CVS
[15:43] <jelmer> for Subversion, keeping a copy should be as simple as "bzr push <svn-url>"
[15:43] <Annabel> it seems to be some kind of a workaround is not it? Can the SVNserver be hosted on the launchpad server or is it restricted to a personal server
[15:43] <Annabel> OK
[15:44] <jelmer> Launchpad doesn't provide Subversion hosting at the moment
[15:46] <Annabel> OK. Thanks a lot for your help, Jelner!
[15:46]  * Annabel needs to leave now
[15:46] <Annabel> CU
[16:40] <forrest> Hi all, I'm a freshman who never developed any linux programs before
[16:40] <forrest> Is there anyone who can lead me into the world of linux development?
[16:47] <kiko> forrest, hmmm, there's a lot of stuff out there on the web. what sort of app do you want to build?
[16:48] <forrest> I'm always thinking that start from the very beginning
[16:48] <forrest> but now I have already got some expirence on embeded system developing
[16:51] <forrest> Could you give me some advice of where to start?
[17:05] <mpt> mrevell, sorry for reporting a duplicate of bug 253274 -- I thought "nobody will have reported this already", so I didn't bother searching :-)
[17:06] <mrevell> heh, no worries mpt. You've seen that I've reported a few dupes in my time :)
[18:34] <sabdfl> everybody feeling the 2.0 love?
[18:37] <sidnei> hi kiko
[18:38] <ScottK> sabdfl: Unfortunately yes.
[18:41] <kiko> sidnei!
[18:41] <kiko> ScottK, couldn't hope to have anything more positive from you :)
[18:42] <sidnei> kiko: you've been hard to find lately :)
[18:42]  * cody-somerville is experiencing revision 6773 love.
[18:42] <ScottK> kiko: I don't like the new interface and I don't see any point in being shy about it.
[18:44] <cody-somerville> I'm starting to like the new interface.
[18:44] <sidnei> im wondering if there's any work planned on improving the experience on uploading releases to launchpad
[18:44] <kiko> sidnei, uploading release tarballs, you mean?
[18:44] <sidnei> kiko: tarballs and installers yes
[18:44] <sidnei> kiko: i frequently have to upload the plone windows installer which is 30mb and fails 3 out of 4 times
[18:45] <kiko> sidnei, because the upload fails?
[18:45] <sidnei> kiko: yes, the upload fails
[18:45] <kiko> that's disturbing
[18:46] <sidnei> kiko: i get a 'please try again' screen without any specifics. i suspect it's a timeout
[18:48] <sidnei> makes me kinda miss the ftp-based upload process from sourceforge. cumbersome but effective.
[18:49] <kiko> sidnei, I'll look into this. I wasn't aware this was such a problem -- and the fact that I'm not aware is really disturbing
[18:49]  * kiko winks ata cody-somerville
[18:53] <sidnei> kiko: i've opened a feature request some time ago, bug #174798, that would be ideal to me
[18:55] <sidnei> i see from bug #32772 that this is unlikely to get accepted though
[19:52] <sidnei> kiko: ?
[20:31] <kiko> siretart, yo
[20:31] <kiko> sidnei, sorry, was on the phone
[20:32] <sidnei> kiko: man, im almost giving up here. on the 5th try, each takes about 40 minutes :(
[20:33] <kiko> sidnei, this really bothers me, and Rinchen is going to look into this with the QA team -- I see the security implication of it but if all we're doing is putting stuff in the librarian.. people can upload anything to the librarian today.
[20:34] <kiko> sidnei, I think I'm going to put a feature request up for sftp:// uploads
[20:34] <sidnei> kiko: please, anything would be an improvement
[20:36] <kiko> sidnei, I wonder if I can upload it more easily from here. want me to try?
[20:37] <sidnei> kiko: wouldn't hurt i guess, but i've tried uploading from a box in houston and haven't had much luck
[20:37] <kiko> okay
[20:38] <kiko> sidnei, we're adding an item to tomorrow's meeting to talk this over
[20:39] <sidnei> kiko: i really appreciate that. thanks!
[20:39] <kiko> thanks for the feedback, I hate it when we don't know what's not working :-(
[21:02] <kiko> siretart, yo!
[21:14] <sidnei> kiko: if you still want to give it a try, i can give you a url to fetch the file from
[21:15] <kiko> sidnei, if you've tried from houston, I'm not sure it will be better from california :-(
[21:15] <kiko> sidnei, I was considering uploading from the DC itself
[21:15] <kiko> but I wonder if I can upload using w3m
[21:15] <mtaylor> kiko: who should I annoy about spec dependancies?
[21:16] <kiko> mtaylor, me, I guess :)
[21:16] <mtaylor> kiko: I tried to add a depend to a spec, and I got a wonderfully informative "Constraint not satisfied"
[21:17] <kiko> mtaylor, heh. is the spec on a different project?
[21:17] <mtaylor> kiko: nope.
[21:17] <mtaylor> kiko: I tried to add https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/drizzle/+spec/remove-include-dir as a depend of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/drizzle/+spec/gettextize
[21:17] <kiko> hmm.
[21:18] <sidnei> kiko: if you cant upload with w3m that's a serious bug, ha! :)
[21:19] <ScottK> Currently you can't even browse Launchpad with it, so probably not.
[21:20] <LaserJock> ScottK: you can browse, you just can't login, correct?
[21:20] <mpt> because w3m follows the de-jure rules for cookies rather than the de-facto rules, iirc
[21:20] <ScottK> IIRC it was SSL certs.
[21:21] <ScottK> Maybe it was cookies.
[21:21] <sidnei> i bet one can handcraft a curl command line to upload
[21:21] <mpt> bug 59510 is the only one we have about w3m
[21:21] <kiko> it's a problem with cookie RFC violations? gar.
[21:22] <matsubara> sidnei: what's file URL?
[21:22] <sidnei> matsubara: https://houston.enfoldsystems.com/files/sidnei/Plone-3.1.4-buildout.exe
[21:22] <matsubara> sidnei: and where were you trying to upload it to?
[21:22] <sidnei> and add .asc to that too
[21:22] <sidnei> uploading into https://edge.launchpad.net/plone/3.1/3.1.4/+adddownloadfile
[21:25] <sidnei> does lp support http-basic auth too or only cookie?
[21:25] <kiko> sidnei, it used to support basic-auth, hmm
[21:27] <sidnei> yeah, seems to work
[21:40] <kiko> mtaylor, I'm a bit stumped.
[21:40] <mtaylor> kiko: ok
[21:40] <mtaylor> kiko: I guess maybe I just shouldn't associate those two... perhaps lp is starting to have emergent intelligence!
[21:41] <sidnei> OMG
[21:41] <kiko> mtaylor, I've been looking at the schema and code and..
[21:41] <sidnei> kiko: i was able to upload it with curl from a different host
[21:41] <sidnei> kiko: this one has slightly better uplink :)
[21:41] <kiko> heh
[21:41] <kiko> good
[21:42] <sidnei> kiko: did you open a bug about it?
[21:42] <kiko> sidnei, no, we're still talking about it
[21:42] <kiko> but it's on the radar
[21:42] <sidnei> kiko: ok
[21:43] <sidnei> kiko: fwiw, http://paste.lisp.org/display/64450
[21:53] <kiko> ScottK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/59510
[21:54] <kiko> sidnei, thanks! that is useful.
[21:54] <sidnei> kiko: np. gotta go, bye!
[22:07] <kiko> siretart, ping v3
[22:08] <siretart> kiko: hey there!
[22:08] <siretart> v3?
[22:08] <kiko> siretart!!
[22:08] <kiko> siretart, it's great to hear from you. do you have time tomorrow for a phone call?
[22:09] <siretart> what time do you think of?
[22:09] <kiko> siretart, your afternoon more or less
[22:09] <siretart> that should be doable, but let's please syncronize that on IRC
[22:09] <kiko> siretart, will do. I am hoping to get heno and colin in on that same call
[22:09] <siretart> allright!
[22:10] <kiko> cool
[22:10] <kiko> siretart, I'll mail you something now as a preamble
[22:10] <siretart> sounds cool! great!
[22:11] <kiko> mtaylor, oho, it's a bug :)
 kiko: you can't depend on an implemented spec, that's silly, but that's how it works
[22:11] <kiko> mtaylor, isn't that just daft!
[22:11] <LaserJock> siretart: hiya
[22:11] <mtaylor> kiko: that is, in fact, stupid
[22:11] <kiko> mtaylor, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/blueprint/+bug/140533
[22:11] <kiko> GAR
[22:11] <mtaylor> why not?
[22:11] <kiko> mtaylor, easy to work around though...
[22:11] <mtaylor> sure
[22:12] <kiko> well it says bug 140533 there for a reason :)
[22:19] <ScottK> kiko: Right.  That's the one.
[22:19] <kiko> ScottK, read my comments there
[22:19] <kiko> I think it's unlikely this is a bug in launchpad
[22:19] <kiko> those cookies are explicitly allowed in the netscape spec
[22:36] <ScottK> Of course RFC 2119 is a recent spec so it's unlikely you'd be in a position to support it.
[22:41] <kiko> mtaylor, I'm fixing the bug fwiw. should be on edge in 2 days
[22:42] <mtaylor> kiko: you rule!
[22:44] <kiko> mtaylor, some people say that too literally true!
[22:45] <mtaylor> :)
[23:04] <kiko> ScottK, the issue is more that that spec seems to be overly restrictive.
[23:06] <ScottK> Someone should take that up with the IETF.
[23:58] <kiko> ScottK, you didn't get my point I guess


[16:35] <EriC^^> yeah give it a shot
[16:35] <erm3nda> is ok too, i see it seems ok
[16:35] <EmberCrest> When you unlock the device, and it mounts, is all data passing into it automatically encrypted?
[16:36] <EriC^^> erm3nda: when do you get this error msg?
[16:36] <MWM> finally got a list of all the handbrake files apt-file is pretty nifty :)
[16:36] <EmberCrest> And does it need to be locked before you remove the device?
[16:36] <erm3nda> at Login stage
[16:36] <erm3nda> let me verify what if relogin
[16:37] <littlebenj> hi
[16:37] <MWM> looks like there is a .desktop for it.  Ill have a look and see if that is why it is autostarting.  Is there anything else I should look for?
[16:37] <littlebenj> how dod i know the last installl date of my package ?
[16:37] <EriC^^> MWM: ~/.config/autostart has files for starting up programs
[16:37] <EriC^^> if you're on unity open the dash and type "startup"
[16:38] <littlebenj> how do i know the last installl date of my package ?
[16:38] <MWM> Eric^^ Handbrake is autostarting but it shouldnt be.  Nothing in Autostarts, nohing in rc.local or ~/.config
[16:39] <EriC^^> MWM: just your user?
[16:39] <MWM> nothing in crotab either
[16:39] <MWM> I am the only user
[16:39] <EriC^^> !info handbrake
[16:39] <EriC^^> does it start if you try the guest session?
[16:39] <ikevin> littlebenj, you can use "dpkg -L <package>" to get a list of files, then do a ls -l on one file to see the last modified date
[16:41] <MWM> Im set to autologin... I just tried to logout to the login screen but Im getting a black screen.  Ill need a minute
[16:42] <erm3nda> EriC^^, was totally my fault
[16:42] <erm3nda> was not the bashrc who called the .profile
[16:43] <erm3nda> seems the system sources all finles in a single command
[16:43] <erm3nda> and i added an alias with $1 outside the alias="" pattern
[16:43] <erm3nda> so seems that $1 becomed the file itself or something like that
[16:43] <EriC^^> erm3nda: oh ok
[16:43] <erm3nda> i've added the $1 on it's place and now is working. thank you for your time
[16:44] <EriC^^> erm3nda: cool, np
[16:44] <EriC^^> MWM: ok
[16:44] <erm3nda> alias srecord=" avconv -f x11grab -r 25 -s 1366x768 -i :0.0 -c:v libx264 $1 "
[16:44] <erm3nda> so i can record screen without more app's install :-)
[16:44] <MWM> I guess I dont have an option to login as a guest? I finally got to the login screen and there is 0 guest options
[16:45] <MWM> Kubuntu 16.04 BTW
[16:45] <EriC^^> erm3nda: :)
[16:45] <erm3nda> MWM it's not just under the Login box? as a text link?
[16:46] <MWM> Only my user is accessible.  Login box and password box reboot and shutdown are the only options
[16:46] <ikevin> MWM, try with an empty home
[16:47] <erm3nda> MWM https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1238605
[16:47] <erm3nda> Kuser
[16:47] <erm3nda> it is that channel good for Kubuntu users? :-X
[16:47] <MWM> thanks.  looks like I will have to set up a guest account! :)
[16:47] <erm3nda> yes
[16:48] <veysiubuntu> hi
[16:50] <EriC^^> MWM: try "grep -iHR handbrake /etc"
[16:53] <MWM> grep -iHR handbrake /etc returns no such file or directory
[16:54] <EriC^^> MWM: what about "grep -iHR handbrake ~/"
[16:55] <MWM> oh damnit anyway.  adding the guest account is messing up my ability to access the headless machine remotely
[16:55] <MWM> nm.  got it
[16:57] <MWM> grep -iHR handbrake ~/ is causing the terminal to hang
[16:59] <Guest30671> hello, does anyone know if I can reach ubuntu system files (var, etc) from another ubuntu installation on same PC? :)
[16:59] <ph88> i try to remove all files in subdirectories that are not of a certain extension, but  rm is not taking it saying  "missing operand" when i try to use pipe like this:    find . -not -name "*.vhdl" -type f | rm
[16:59] <Guest30671> did you try adding rm -r ? maybe that helps?
[17:00] <rifter> Guest30671, yes you can reach them if you can mount the filesystem they are on
[17:01] <Guest30671> so I need to find out where it is located.. ok I can google that thanks :)
[17:01] <rifter> ph88, yeah you need to use -r to do subdirectories. I would include -v so you can see what you just nuked
[17:01] <rifter> Guest30671, well it's not hard to find where they are
[17:01] <Pici> ph88: don't pipe the output from find to rm, either use find's -delete, or look at using xargs.
[17:01] <MWM> rm -R for subdirectories
[17:01] <Pici> ph88: personally the -delete argument is the easiest way of doing this.
[17:02] <ppf> ph88: find -delete
[17:02] <MWM> I am gonna have to move on for today.  Ill stop back in if I cant get this one figured out .  THanks for helping guys :)
[17:03] <rifter> Guest30671, if you do dmesg | grep -E "sd[a-z]"
[17:03] <rifter> you'll see all the disks
[17:04] <rifter> Guest30671, any of those that is a hard disk you can do for example: sfdisk -l /dev/sda
[17:04] <rifter> Guest30671, that will show you the partitions on it
[17:04] <ppf> just sfdik -l will suffice
[17:05] <rifter> Pici, I agree
[17:05] <Guest30671> okay thanks a lot :) I will check it
[17:06] <Guest30671> okay that's great I found them all thanks a lot :)
[17:14] <domdagen> exit
[17:16] <kang0> (kang0) What's difference between bootable and non bootable os
[17:20] <bot_> sss
[17:22] <bigpic> hey guys.. I’m trying to increase the Max open files on a webserver box.. I’ve read a ton of howtos
[17:22] <Amis> Hi! Is it possible to focus to a certain window using keyboard shortcuts? Like I have a very specific active program running on a desktop and if I press Alt+9 it focuses on it
[17:22] <bigpic> ulimit -n is reporting 65536
[17:22] <EriC^^> kang0: every os has to be bootable some way, do you mean a bootable iso?
[17:22] <bigpic> but doing a cat /proc/1408/limits reports 1024
[17:22] <bigpic> for the same user
[17:22] <bigpic> why/how are they different?
[17:22] <kang0> I am not sure what's meaning of bootable
[17:22] <bigpic> any suggestions on how to fix?
[17:23] <kang0> Is it so that only os can become bootable?
[17:23] <kang0> Music or video or other data can't become bootable? EriC^^
[17:23] <FManTropyx> I can make a demo that is bootable
[17:24] <erm3nda> Amis, you can use king of autokey softwares then script them to found your desired window, if exists, while exists
[17:24] <Amis> erm3nda, sounds like it would work
[17:24] <EriC^^> kang0: well yes, let me explain bootable, bootable usually means there's some bootloader that the pc's bios executes and hands over the execution to it so it does whatever it wants
[17:25] <erm3nda> Amis, i found xdotool small and powerfull, take a look at http://blog.rot13.org/2010/07/focus-window-by-name-using-xdotool-and-awesome-window-manager.html
[17:25] <kang0> FManTropyx how
[17:25] <EriC^^> kang0: it's just some code that does something after the bios sees it and says ok you can take control of the pc now
[17:25] <Amis> erm3nda, thanks
[17:25] <erm3nda> just google focus x windows and found my little and nice xdotool :-)
[17:26] <erm3nda> simple dead
[17:26] <Amis> Question 2: (Ubuntu server 16 LTS 64bit, 8GB ram, 8 cores) I'm experiencing constant OOMs on said machine but the OOM log doesn't make sense as the VM is ~4GB and the total RSS is 500MB.  I can install any Ubuntu flavour into SD card and boot it from there, right? I know the SD card won't last long, but it's just for testing purposes.
[17:27] <FManTropyx> anything
[17:27] <nacc> Amis: pastebin the oom log?
[17:27] <erm3nda> oom killer is a bitch
[17:27] <nacc> !language | erm3nda
[17:27] <erm3nda> sorry
[17:27] <erm3nda> oom killer is a big beach
[17:27] <erm3nda> :-B
[17:28] <kang0> FManTropyx how to make bootloader
[17:28] <Amis> nacc, unfortunately I do not have access to it right know but I'm interested as what else could be it. Even with overcommit enabled it just kills a random high mem user for no reason. Swap is almost always unused
[17:28]  * nlsthzn can't help but think OOM = out of mana #fanatsyproblems
[17:28] <erm3nda> The_Myth, u should use USB creators for that, that usually ships with syslinux boot
[17:29] <erm3nda> Amis, you may tweak the swapiness
[17:29] <erm3nda> it is you sure it's mounted?
[17:29] <ducasse> kang0: what are you actually trying to do?
[17:29] <FManTropyx> kang0, http://wiki.osdev.org/Bootloader
[17:29] <erm3nda> u can set oom score to certaing things you don't wanna see diying
[17:29] <Amis> erm3nda, it is. As I remember it's around 2GB and some 50MB are sometimes used
[17:29] <erm3nda> Amis, case of extreme, you can install monit then shutdown processes not used "that you know" you can
[17:29] <Amis> erm3nda, what I don't get is that nothing seems out of place. The memory usage BARELY reached 600MB
[17:30] <The_Myth> but it's possible indeed, correct? but sooner or later the SD card will burn. :x
[17:30] <erm3nda> Amis, all is on the logs. there's a reason for it, find it
[17:30] <kang0> ducasse understanding
[17:30] <erm3nda> The_Myth,yes, but there are tweaks for that
[17:30] <erm3nda> like the noatime
[17:30] <erm3nda> to reduce commits to memory then play more "into the ram"
[17:30] <erm3nda> actually, ssd and eMMC are sdcard with special controllers
[17:31] <erm3nda> the key is that ssd and eMMC are not shitty memories with class2/4/6
[17:31] <erm3nda> class 10 mega product from sandisk can be wrote MILLIONS times. The range between cycles vary so much
[17:31] <nacc> Amis: an OOM is a failure to allocate a page in the kernel, the log is very important
[17:32] <nacc> Amis: the order of the allocation matters, e.g.
[17:32] <erm3nda> also, the special eMMC / SSD controllers, does a smart usage of blocks to avoid kill them at all, and inodes can be relocated on the fly
[17:32] <erm3nda> inodes don't lost info at all, just becomed unwritable when reaches limits
[17:32] <erm3nda> the bigger is your device, the more time it will live
[17:33] <erm3nda> i am actuall under 32Gb eMMC. :-) i wont see it diying please don0t scare me
[17:33] <erm3nda> I used SD card to boot Debian7 into wm8505 SOC device and worked from YEARS with no problem
[17:34] <erm3nda> for* years
[17:37] <sirv> when i use sd cards or usb disks as primary partition they always fail soon
[17:38] <sirv> all the time system gets corrupted
[17:38] <sirv> *file system
[17:38] <compdoc> usb isnt reliable for always on devices
[17:39] <kang0> EriC^^ What's bootable iso
[17:39] <Amis> erm3nda, nacc: I managed to acquire a log of an OOM: http://pastebin.com/6FQ9wcSU
[17:39] <erm3nda> sirv, seems you used bad memorys, with noatime, and you used them so much
[17:39] <erm3nda> all vary on the quality, and usage
[17:39] <erm3nda> but yes, are made to die :-)
[17:39] <BlueProtoman> On Ubuntu 16.10, the menus for some (but not all) Qt-using applications are distorted.  More details here.  http://askubuntu.com/q/878736/61195  Any tips?
[17:40] <EriC^^> kang0: it's an image that has a special code so it can boot if you plug it into the pc when it starts
[17:40] <erm3nda> sirv,  im sure you can add somo virtual controller for the memory card, like commit at shutdown or whatever
[17:40] <kang0> What's mbr and vbr
[17:40] <erm3nda> never digg into that
[17:40] <erm3nda> u can use software raid then attach 4sd cards
[17:40] <erm3nda> then replace them in the order they die :-)
[17:41] <erm3nda> buy using SSD will be more profitable
[17:42] <erm3nda> Amis, it is you compiling?
[17:42] <erm3nda> is cc1plus the one who ate your memory
[17:43] <Amis> erm3nda, yes but that does not matter in this case as without it a program will still die
[17:43] <Amis> There are several other cases where the machine is idling and that highest consumer is davmail doing nothing (4GB VM, 200MB RSS)
[17:44] <nacc> Amis: hrm, that does look odd
[17:44] <Amis> erm3nda, where exactly does it show me that the compilation ate all of the 8GB? I'm adding up RSS and it doesn't reach it
[17:44] <erm3nda> Amis, look at http://askubuntu.com/questions/371302/make-my-ubuntu-use-more-swap-than-ram/371329#371329
[17:44] <ducasse> kang0: we do ubuntu support here, i'm sure there are more appropriate places for such general questions. mbr = master boot record, vbr = variable bitrate.
[17:44] <erm3nda> well, im not sure about that, i just know that is the compiling process the one
[17:44] <Amis> Note: overcommit is enabled
[17:45] <erm3nda> it is you compiling GTAV ? XD
[17:45] <nacc> Amis: it's an order-2 allocation, that fails, but there seem to be sufficient 16K pages for that
[17:45] <nacc> erm3nda: that's inaccurate.
[17:45] <nacc> erm3nda: the oom killer kills the compiler
[17:45] <erm3nda> yes
[17:45] <nacc> erm3nda: but the cause is main.rb
[17:45] <nacc> erm3nda: in this particular instance
[17:45] <Amis> OOM just kills the highest consumer, is all
[17:45] <Amis> But there are plenty of RSS available
[17:45] <nacc> Amis: for some definitions of 'highest'
[17:45] <nacc> Amis: that's irrelevant to the OOM killer
[17:46] <nacc> Amis: OOM is a kernel-level decision, not related to RSS (technically)
[17:46] <Amis> All I can think of is heacy memory fragmentation for some reason
[17:46] <erm3nda> Amis, you can set oom score then let it life
[17:46] <nacc> Amis: right, but you can see in the output that node 0 normal has at least a few 16K pages (and larger)
[17:46] <erm3nda> Amis, read that http://backdrift.org/oom-killer-how-to-create-oom-exclusions-in-linux
[17:47] <Amis> erm3nda, I don't want to exclude programs because then it will kill something else
[17:47] <erm3nda> Did u perform a ram check? full memory test i mean
[17:47] <Amis> I want to fix the source of the OOM
[17:48] <nacc> Amis: fwiw, there's only about 135M of free memory per the kernel at the time of hte failure
[17:48] <Amis> nacc, and which part of the log should I examine for the consumers?
[17:49] <erm3nda>  main.rb Not tainted, cant help you with that
[17:50] <nacc> Amis: but there is a lot of reclaimable slab and cached pages, so it's weird still
[17:50] <Amis> There is only one (big) difference between this machine (8GB 64b, 8core) and the old one (4GB 32b, 4core) and that this one has software raid, a kernel module working in the shadows
[17:51] <nacc> Amis: it is true that there is no free memory of the order you need in zone DMA, but the flags don't indicate only DMA shold be used
[17:54] <Amis> I'm clueless
[17:55] <nacc> Amis: and, finally, oddly, it seems like the OOM killer didn't actually attempt to reclaim (if i remember my oom parsing correctly)
[17:55] <nacc> Amis: you might be best off filing a bug and seeing if the kernel team can help
[17:56] <nacc> Amis: or there might even be an ubuntu-kernel channel (or you could ask in a kernel channel generally)
[17:56] <Amis> nacc, thanks. I'll try
[17:58] <nacc> Amis: was that the *first* OOM in the log?
[17:58] <Amis> nacc, no, there are about 50 or so
[17:58] <nacc> Amis: yes, that' a problem
[17:58] <nacc> Amis: you need the first one
[17:59] <nacc> Amis: everythiung else gets lost in the noise, as the kernel has already started freaking out once you've OOMed once (potentially)
[18:02] <_MoBeats_> Afternoon. I'd like to know what are the hardware requirements for MAAS and Autopilot servers. Had a good look on ubuntu.com but can't see the info anywhere. Can someone point me in the right direction please?
[18:03] <pavan> raspberrypi   error   No wireless interface found".
[18:03] <ducasse> _MoBeats_: try #ubuntu-server
[18:03] <_MoBeats_> will do thanks ducasse
[18:04] <Amis> This is the very first OOM I could find: http://pastebin.com/YgDFK4JQ
[18:04] <MonkeyDust> _MoBeats_  start here http://askubuntu.com/questions/311410/maas-minimum-requirements-with-juju-jitsu
[18:05] <nacc> Amis: what architecture is the sytem?
[18:05] <_MoBeats_> thanks Amis.
[18:05] <_MoBeats_> I mean MonkeyDust, thanks.
[18:06] <Amis> nacc, x86_64
[18:08] <nacc> Amis: k, again in that one, there seems to be normal-zone 16k pages available, are you sure that's the first OOM that happens?
[18:09] <Amis> nacc, I'm digging in log files now. Might take a while
[18:11] <nacc> Amis: ah, it seems like all of the zone_normal pages might be marked 'H' (which means rserved for high-order atomic allocations, which this one is not
[18:11] <nacc> Amis: i wonder if that is what is happening (that feature is 'new' relative to the last time i was an active kernel dev)
[18:12] <back> ciao
[18:12] <nacc> Amis: it feels like reclaim failed on your system, that's what needs debugging
[18:12] <Amis> nacc, I have zero knowledge of such thing unfortunately
[18:12] <nacc> Amis: right, which is why i suggest talking to folks that would (either via a kernel channel or a bug)
[18:12] <Guest35760> come cambiare lingua sull firefox
[18:13] <MonkeyDust> !es
[18:13] <gde33> is there any way to make the launch bar more responsive?
[18:14] <gde33> if often doesn't show when moving the mouse to the left
[18:14] <Amis> I found the very first OOM in the syslog but it doesn't seem to be any different: http://pastebin.com/R1SfbBCu
[18:16] <[twisti]> ever since i installed LTS 16.04 on my machine, i have been experiencing multi second lag spikes. anyone got any idea how to best debug such an issue ?
[18:17] <baizon> [twisti]: check system monitor
[18:18] <nacc> Amis: except in that case, i think you can see that there are no order-2 pages (or larger) in DMA32 or Normal
[18:18] <nacc> Amis: which implies intense fragmentation
[18:18] <nacc> Amis: there is DMA32 available, but i wonder if that is being held in reserve for actual DMA consumers (in case)
[18:19] <[twisti]> baizon: what is that and where do i find it ?
[18:19] <Amis> nacc, if it really is fragmentation then I will not be able to track it down
[18:20] <erkinacar5> hello, i have this weird thing going on.. today I crashed a 15.10 ubuntu server (I don't know how, suddenly it started saying "you don't have permission to use x" and x is everything). apparently there is another ubuntu installed on another partition... so the question is, can I somehow recover first ubuntu by using second one? If I try to boot int
[18:20] <erkinacar5> o first Ubuntu (or its recovery), it gets stuck at "Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes"
[18:20] <pavlos> [twisti], click on dash, search for system monitor
[18:22] <lorddoskias> hello, i'm running ubuntu 16.04 and I installed zypper but when I run it I get: zypper: relocation error: zypper: symbol _ZN4zypp5CpeId11NoThrowType13lastMalformedE, version ZYPP_plain not defined in file libzypp.so.1503 with link time reference seems like a packaging problem
[18:24] <randall_> join #atlphp
[18:24] <darkseid4nk> lorddoskias: try a different package repo for that file, download it manually and instlal it, or try a different version that isnt broken
[18:24] <clintar> anyone familiar with building your own php debs?
[18:25] <clintar> i'm pretty sick of attempting and failing over and over
[18:25] <[twisti]> ah, sorry, i should have said, its a headless server
[18:25] <[twisti]> (got disconnected in between)
[18:27] <pavlos> [twisti], use top or htop to view process/memory info
[18:28] <Crator> bravo!
[18:28] <[twisti]> pavlos: ill keep it open but i suspect it will stop updating when the server gets a freeze spike
[18:30] <element> yoyo
[18:30] <deadone> whats up
[18:30] <element> yo nautilus
[18:31] <deadone> WHATS UP NIGGAS
[18:31] <element> sudo apt-get install
[18:31] <deadone> sudo apt-get install pussy
[18:31] <element> sudo yaourt
[18:31] <Crator> sudo dinner in my table now!
[18:31] <element> word
[18:31] <deadone> i had pizza
[18:32] <deadone> i haz da pizza\
[18:32] <element> didn't realize this was the support channel.. whoops
[18:34] <nacc> erkinacar5: 15.10 is eol, you know, right?
[18:35] <nacc> clintar: .deb for what?
[18:35] <nacc> lorddoskias: why would you install zypper on ubuntu?
[18:35] <erkinacar5> nacc: yea.. but my supervisor won't listen...
[18:35] <nacc> erkinacar5: it's ... rather important
[18:35] <nacc> erkinacar5: no security updates, no support
[18:35] <lorddoskias> nacc: i would like to create minimal opensuse userspace in a directory e.g. bootstrap opensuse userspace in a chroot, but my base system is ubuntu
[18:36] <nacc> lorddoskias: why not use a VM?
[18:37] <lorddoskias> i'm going to use this userspace with custom kernels in qemu so that's the idea
[18:38] <erkinacar5> nacc: well, now that it crashed, he agrees that we can install long term support one but still setting up everything from scratch will take some time.. if I can recover it I can backup important stuff and we can upgrade it
[18:44] <nacc> lorddoskias: right, but why not just start with a VM and install a minimal opensuse to it?
[18:44] <gde33> I have the launcher always visible, is there a way to disable that hover animation where the icons rotate ?
[18:47] <Anthaas_> I just installed a package successfully with apt-get install, I tried again and it told me the current version was already installed, so is there a reason why when trying to run the program it says package not foudn
[18:48] <nacc> Anthaas_: package names != program names?
[18:48] <pavlos> Anthaas_, what's the package name?
[18:48] <Anthaas_> elasticsearch
[18:49] <nacc> Anthaas_: the elasticsearch pacakge does not contain any binaries
[18:50] <Anthaas_> elasticsearch/bin/elasticsearch ?
[18:50] <nacc> Anthaas_: sorry, i meant binaries in the path normally
[18:50] <nacc> Anthaas_: i would read the README to see what it says to do with teh pkg
[18:51] <Anthaas_> I am following their official installation guide :/
[18:52] <quangl> hi
[18:52] <quangl> how do i install windows after i installed ubuntu?
[18:52] <halvors> Anyone online who can help me escalatte this bug?
[18:52] <halvors> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1634855
[18:52] <halvors> It makes the whole network stack crash.
[18:53] <Pici> halvors: it looks like it has the highest priority right now.
[18:53] <halvors> Yeah, but whos the maintainer of the systemd package?
[18:54] <quangl> what do i have to do to reinstall windows on an ubuntu machine?
[18:54] <Lavinho> lubuntu 16.10 not supporting uefi ?
[18:54] <nacc> halvors: ubuntu-devel (like most other packages in ubuntu)
[18:55] <BluesKaj> !windows | quangl
[18:55] <halvors> Pici: nacc: Thank you very much :)
[18:55] <EriC^^> Lavinho: it should
[18:57] <Lavinho> I tried to install the error and had to install in legacy mode
[18:58] <nacc> Anthaas: i meant the debian README
[18:58] <nacc> Anthaas: i think you just run /usr/share/elasticsearch/bin/elasticsearch
[18:58] <nacc> Anthaas: i don't tknow why it installs to there, it seems rather non-standard
[19:03] <saikol> hi
[19:03] <Amis> Can someone explain to me (or point to the right documentation) what is a "memory watermark" and what does it mean to be broken?
[19:06] <k1l> Amis: in what context?
[19:08] <Amis> k1l, I'm reading about OOM and there are cases explaining the cause to be memory watermark being broken, talks about "high water mark" in general (memory utilization)
[19:09] <Amis> I just can't understand the meaning in these cases
[19:09] <Amis> As... why is it called "water mark"
[19:11] <k1l> watermark is just another name for a measurement. its not like the watermark on photos or banknotes
[19:13] <daniel_1> Can't seem to play movie DVDs in DVD drive. vlc & mplayer installed. They will play a data prepared DVD.
[19:14] <k1l> daniel_1: you need dvdcss to be bale to play copyright protected dvds
[19:14] <k1l> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[19:16] <BluesKaj> daniel_1, install ubuntu-restricted-extras then libdvdcss from vlc's site
[19:26] <Fritigern> HEy everyone! I want to create some circular text, kinda like this https://i.stack.imgur.com/QjCTo.png (this is not my own pic!), I have tried using LibreOffice Draw for this, but it's not working well. Draw is slow, behaves in ways that I don't expect (deselects the area with the text for no reason) so I was wondering if anyone knows any software that can get the job done.
[19:28] <JackofallTrades> libmtp question: when connecting my OnePlus One Phone and I am starting to copy files, lengthy files don´t copy at all. The copy progress dialog window just stays at the current percentage, it does not freeze. ... after trail and error I found out that if I shorten the name of the file it copies fine. This does not happen on other operating systems. What can be done about this current limitation?
[19:29] <sirv> use shorter file names ?
[19:30] <daniel_1> k1l: Thanks that worked
[19:30] <JackofallTrades> sirv if you re-read what I typed I already wrote that
[19:31] <daniel_1> BluesKaj: that that worked for me.
[19:31] <sirv> jack > which direction are u copying --- from device or to device ?
[19:32] <OerHeks> perhaps it is a android/one+ filename length issue?
[19:32] <guest234862> sirv from desktop hard-drve to phone
[19:33] <guest234862> Oerheks no I found out through trail and error that it is not by using the device on different operating systems, - If you re-read what I initially wrote you would have known this
[19:34] <guest234862> Oerheks no, through trail and error and testing on other operating systems I found out this was not the case
[19:34] <sirv> guest and u copy the files on all operating system to the same location on the phone ? internal phone memory always or you try to copy to sd card ?
[19:34] <guest234862> Sirv yes same location on the mtp device
[19:35] <sirv> guest and u copy from command line or thru some other program ?
[19:35] <OerHeks> i think the progress bar is not equal to time.
[19:36] <sirv> :)
[19:36] <guest234862> sirv: tested using, nautilus, xfce thunar and mate caja file manager
[19:36] <nacc> Amis: you should read Documentation/vm/balance
[19:36] <nacc> Amis: in the kernel source
[19:36] <guest234862> sirv I think this is a libmtp issue or somehow the file manager does not indicate that certain limit has been reached,
[19:36] <sirv> can u try copy in command line if u get some error
[19:37] <sirv> with cp
[19:37] <nauticalnexus> I have a question, if I get the kernel from ubuntu's git repo, and add the 4.9.6 patch file, does that bring it up to 4.9.6?
[19:37] <nacc> nauticalnexus: what '4.9.6' patch file?
[19:38] <nauticalnexus> nacc, "patch-4.9.6.xz"
[19:38] <nauticalnexus> from kernel.org
[19:38] <Amis> nacc, thanks
[19:38] <OerHeks> 4.9.6/4.9.7 are here, build and well http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[19:38] <nacc> nauticalnexus: A) 4.9.7 is out, and you should the kernel mainline PPA
[19:38] <nacc> nauticalnexus: if you actually need it, which you probably don't :)
[19:38] <nauticalnexus> I'm doing a custom kernel.
[19:39] <guest234862> sirv there is no real debug output because nothing really crashes, the copy progress bar just stays at whatever % percentage the file is being copied at. So I can deduce from this that when using the command line there won´t be any debug outputs. The only thing I can try is perhaps using strace to figure out what is happening, but this seems to be a libmtp thing because it happens on 3 other file managers. Also I am currently n
[19:39] <nacc> nauticalnexus: but to answer your question, no, that's not how the patch files work. patch-4.9.7.xz is  patch against 4.9.0
[19:40] <nauticalnexus> so I'd have to do the 4.5 patch, then the 4.6... and so on?
[19:40] <nacc> nauticalnexus: and the ubuntu kernel is not the mainline kernel
[19:40] <rajivmars> when i am trying to update then it failed because of this "http://paste.ubuntu.com/23906785/" anybody please help.
[19:40] <nacc> nauticalnexus: no, that probably won't work either
[19:40] <nauticalnexus> blurrrrgh, dunno what to do then
[19:40] <nacc> rajivmars: use a different mirror
[19:41] <nauticalnexus> I need to be able to edit the config and add my own patches to it though
[19:41] <nacc> nauticalnexus: if you're trying to use mainline, why not just use mainline?
[19:41] <k1l> rajivmars: go to system settings -> software and updates and switch the mirror
[19:41] <nauticalnexus> consult previous message
[19:41] <Fritigern> So.... I take it nobody knows how to make circular text then?
[19:41] <Southern_Gentlem> rajivmars, next time no quotes on the link please that permits the rest of us from clicking and it open in the browser
[19:41] <nacc> Southern_Gentlem: worked fine here...
[19:41] <nacc> nauticalnexus: what are you actually trying to do? make a custom kernel or make a custom *ubuntu* kernel?
[19:42] <nauticalnexus> I'd prefer custom ubuntu kernel, but I require 4.9.6
[19:42] <nacc> nauticalnexus: then you're not using an ubuntu kernel to begin with?
[19:42] <nauticalnexus> I'm wanting to add the liquorix patch
[19:42] <nauticalnexus> I am
[19:42] <nacc> nauticalnexus: if you "require" 4.9.6 then you're not ubuntu based...
[19:42] <nauticalnexus> I require 4.9.6 for the liquorix patch..
[19:42] <nauticalnexus> it doesn't work on 4.4.35 or whatever's in the repos
[19:43] <guest234862> nauticalnexus the liqourix kernel package is also compiled for the latest ubuntu and the latest ubuntu lts
[19:43] <guest234862> nauticalnexus so you can use the repo from the authors website
[19:43] <nauticalnexus> I only saw 4.9 in the repos, not 4.4
[19:45] <guest234862> nauticalnexus that would be thought because you probabaly need to work the .rej from the patch. The current cpu sched from Con and  BFQ i/o  scheduler have to be backported to the ubuntu kernel
[19:45] <sirv> guest u think liquorix will help u withe the MTP copy ?
[19:45] <nacc> guest234862: hrm, liquorix only mentions debian, not ubuntu
[19:46] <guest234862> nacc the author mentions in the forums and it is build with the debian tools. Tuned for debian jessie, sid and latest ubuntu and ubuntu lts
[19:46] <nauticalnexus> but there's no 4.4
[19:46] <nauticalnexus> I'd love to stay as close to the Ubuntu kernel as possible.
[19:46] <guest234862> sirv I tried using vanilla kernel lts and on arch. On arch I tried linux-zen, ck and latest stable provided
[19:47] <Fritigern> Guys, I am very disappointed at you all. I asked a question, twice. And I did not even get so much as an acknowlegment.
[19:47] <guest234862> nauticalnexus Con develops against the latest stable so that will mostly likely not work for you. Unless you are willing to fix the .rej from the patch and do backporting
[19:47] <nacc> nauticalnexus: why do you think you need this special kernel (and not installing it means you stop being supported here)
[19:47] <randall_> Fritigern: Inkscape is your open-source best bet for circular text.
[19:48] <Fritigern> OKay, thank you randall_. I'll have a look at that
[19:48] <clintar> Fritigern, acknowledged
[19:48] <nacc> nauticalnexus: s/not/note/
[19:48] <candy`> morning
[19:48] <clintar> that looks like snot
[19:48] <sirv> fritigem and GIMP ? I would try gimp ..
[19:48] <rajivmars> Souther_Gentlmen, ok. sorry
[19:48] <nauticalnexus> nacc, makes everything snappy and fast, is optimised for my CPU architecture
[19:49] <nauticalnexus> BFQ is nice too.
[19:49] <clintar> bfq is nice, yep
[19:49] <nacc> nauticalnexus: i don't think there's a trivial way to backport the patches to the 4.4 base. I genuinely am not sure what guest234862 is referring to, as i'm not clearly seeing it (and not willing to trawl forums to find it) for any ubuntu support.
[19:49] <sirv> fritigem what about this : http://www.flamingtext.com/logo/Design-Beauty
[19:49] <rajivmars> kill, then what?/
[19:49] <nacc> nauticalnexus: in any case, fairly offtopic at this point, not really an ubuntu support question
[19:50] <clintar> anyone familiar with building your own php debs and can point me the way to find out how?
[19:51] <nacc> clintar: what php debs (I think I asked this earlier, sorry if I didn't)
[19:51] <Southern_Gentlem> Fritigern,  gimp can do circular test
[19:51] <guest234862> nauticalnexus: Steven Barrett and heftig, the current linux-zen developers are only working on the latest linux stable branch and so does Con.  More pain than reward. Also if you go for such kernels backporting to the latest ubuntu lts makes no sense due that the lts kernel mainly contains back
[19:51] <clintar> nacc, making my own module, really
[19:52] <Fritigern> Southern_Gentlem: Really? I don;t reemember seeing that in the text editing options. Can you screenshot it and show me where to look?
[19:52] <clintar> nacc, it's for database support from here http://devzone.advantagedatabase.com/dz/content.aspx?key=20&Release=19&Product=16&Platform=10
[19:53] <clintar> it's what my client uses, and i've compiled my own before, but it looks like the process changed to some git thing
[19:53] <Southern_Gentlem> Fritigern, http://visihow.com/Write_Text_in_an_Arc_in_the_GIMP_App
[19:53] <guest234862> nacc: nowhere on the liqourix page it says it is only for debian
[19:53] <nacc> guest234862: it's specific to debian releases. (sid/unstable). No ubuntu release repository.
[19:54] <Fritigern> Southern_Gentlem: Thank you, watching the vid now!
[19:54] <nacc> guest234862: i don't care abot their claims of 'binary compatibility', their kernel base is totally different (afaict) from the ubuntu one.
[19:55] <nacc> clintar: and why do you want a deb if you normally build form source? are you planning on submitting this to debian/ubuntu?
[19:56] <clintar> nacc, i'm open to other options, but afaik, i have to match up with what's running on the system
[19:56] <guest234862> nacc: i am just stating that you are making a thinking error. It is not for Sid, it is *from* Sid (hence the Sid in the sources.list). Their web page does not say that it is only for sid. In other words, there are changes backported to the stable kernel that make the kernel there different from the same version in Sid, but this does not apply ...
[19:57] <nacc> clintar: why can't you just download the tar and install it?
[19:58] <clintar> tar of php?
[19:58] <guest234862> nacc: plus the author states on the liqourix page that is also is compiled for ubuntu
[19:58] <guest234862> .. like literally on the home page
[19:58] <nacc> clintar: the link you provided is has a 'download' link to a tarball for that driver?
[19:59] <clintar> nacc, or if you mean the tar from that page, you need to compile the extension
[19:59] <nacc> clintar: right, why can't you do that?
[19:59] <Thedarkb> Hi, I just installed lubuntu on an old thinkpad and apt has no repositories
[20:00] <clintar> nacc it uses the php sources to do that, so I had it in my mind that I should use however ubuntu's php packages are configured, but if there is a way to not do that, i'm fine with it
[20:00] <k1l> Thedarkb: does "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" give you any output in terminal?
[20:00] <nacc> guest234862: hrm, it *might* work, but ubuntu and debian generally may not be able to use the same kernel (compiler differences, minimally, esp. with the claim of 'latest Ubuntu')
[20:00] <nacc> guest234862: in any case, i don't really care about liquorix.
[20:01] <nacc> guest234862: you are right, they assert they support ubuntu and debian
[20:01] <Thedarkb> Yeah, it gives me the standard spiel
[20:01] <nacc> clintar: i assume you need php-dev to be installed?
[20:01] <nacc> clintar: that lets you build against the php source, iirc
[20:02] <k1l> Thedarkb: ?
[20:02] <Thedarkb> sources.list is normal
[20:03] <Thedarkb> but apt just greets me with...
[20:03] <k1l> Thedarkb: then please put the error you get on paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[20:03] <Thedarkb> ben@benthinkpad:~$ sudo apt-get install ninvaders Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package ninvaders
[20:04] <k1l> !info ninvaders
[20:04] <k1l> Thedarkb: enable universe repos
[20:05] <Thedarkb> already enabled
[20:05] <nacc> Thedarkb: what version of ubuntu? pastebin `apt update` output please
[20:06] <Thedarkb> manually installing dependencies is torture :/
[20:06] <k1l> Thedarkb: that doesnt make sense.
[20:06] <k1l> Thedarkb: can you show the output if "lsb_release -d"?
[20:07] <Thedarkb> ben@benthinkpad:~$ lsb_release -d Description:	Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[20:07] <Thedarkb> it's lubuntu
[20:07] <clintar> nacc, i don't think this lends itself to doing it that way, but i'll read up on how to use php-dev and come back crying when i can't figure it out ;) thanks
[20:08] <nacc> clintar: well if all you need is to build a new php driver, php-dev should be all you need, normally
[20:08] <k1l> Thedarkb: did you run "sudo apt update"?
[20:08] <Thedarkb> updating........
[20:09] <clintar> nacc, what i'm seeing, you usually go into your extension directory and run ./configure, but this thing wants full sources and builds itself into php i think
[20:09] <clintar> i'll try, though
[20:09] <Thedarkb> I've been installing stuff by downloading .deb files from the debian website
[20:09] <Thedarkb> and downloading dependencies individually
[20:09] <k1l> Thedarkb: what? dont do that
[20:09] <ioria> Thedarkb, not a good idea
[20:10] <k1l> Thedarkb: use the ubuntu repos with apt. dont load debian packages since that brings you into the dependency hell
[20:10] <nacc> clintar: right, you probably have to pass some flags (I'd guess) into configure, potentially
[20:10] <Thedarkb> I know, it's agonisingly slow
[20:10] <k1l> Thedarkb: then change your mirrors.
[20:10] <ioria> Thedarkb, cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:10] <Thedarkb> I mean downloading everything individualy
[20:11] <k1l> Thedarkb: you are not making any sense
[20:11] <Thedarkb> sorry
[20:11] <Thedarkb> I'm a linux retard
[20:11] <ioria> Thedarkb, you don't need to do that
[20:11] <nacc> Thedarkb: did you try to run `apt update` *before* installing anything?
[20:11] <ioria> Thedarkb,  all the point of apt
[20:11] <Thedarkb> ......no......
[20:11] <nacc> Thedarkb: you have to, that's probably your issue.
[20:12] <nacc> Thedarkb: and now you've probably mucked your system up a bit by installing (wrong distro) .debs by hand
[20:12] <Thedarkb> On my last few installs, it just worked.
[20:12] <nacc> Thedarkb: i would probably suggest reinstalling or at least uninstalling the stuff you installed by hand and installing from apt
[20:12] <k1l> Thedarkb: what doesnt work? so far we only proved that everything works
[20:12] <Thedarkb> apt was already working right from install
[20:12] <Thedarkb> without an update
[20:12] <nacc> Thedarkb: you *just* said apt wasn't working ... that was your original bug.
[20:13] <Thedarkb> I know
[20:13] <ioria> Thedarkb, please, paste    cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:13] <Thedarkb> I'm a retard.
[20:13] <k1l> Thedarkb: apt update gets the updated list of packages from the servers. you need to run that when adding universe repo
[20:13] <nacc> you have to run `apt update` regularly
[20:13] <guest234862> nacc well in worst case scenario a re-compile is needed. But generally the way the kernel is compiled and configured by the developer it  moderately easy to provide cross-over and backported compatability. Also debian and ubuntu use the same patches when it comes down to devscripts, gcc, libncurses5-dev and libssl-dev, even if versions differ, higher versions of gcc provide compatabilty and the compiler flags used by the kernel
[20:13] <ioria> Thedarkb,  if you are on trusty, better    sudo apt-get update
[20:13] <Thedarkb> just updated now
[20:13] <Thedarkb> It works
[20:13] <Thedarkb> Sorry
[20:14] <nacc> guest234862: i'm done discussing that topic
[20:14] <Thedarkb> thanks for your help
[20:14] <Thedarkb> sorry
[20:16] <guest234862> nacc fine ... responding to your claim that might produce FUD with people reading along
[20:20] <Thedarkb> hmm..... dependency unsatisfiable
[20:20] <clintar> it needs a snickers
[20:21] <Thedarkb> I probably fucked my install up
[20:21] <ioria> Thedarkb,  do you remember the .debs you manually installed ?
[20:21] <kernello> hello everyone, I'd like to back up all packages in their states and reinstall them in a new install of ubuntu. I found out about apt-clone here; https://askubuntu.com/questions/9135/how-to-backup-settings-and-list-of-installed-packages/486634#486634
[20:21] <clintar> just apt-get remove those debs
[20:21] <Thedarkb> yes, I fucked it didn't I
[20:21] <kernello> but what am I gonna insert here: sudo apt-clone clone path-to/apt-clone-state-ubuntu-$(lsb_release -sr)-$(date +%F).tar.gz ?
[20:21] <clintar> it's fixable
[20:21] <clintar> you can still win!
[20:21] <Thedarkb> I installed like 30 of them
[20:21] <k1l> Thedarkb: i am sure you did make a mess with isntalling debian packages manually
[20:22]  * Thedarkb checks his downloads
[20:22] <genii> Thedarkb: Please watch the profanity, we try to keep the language in here family-friendly
[20:22] <ioria> Thedarkb,  20 minutes to reinstall lubuntu :þ sy
[20:22] <Thedarkb> sorry
[20:22] <candy`> hello, does anyone already tried preseed configuration file to unattended ubuntu installation ?
[20:22] <kernello> what is 'path-to/apt-clone-state-ubuntu'?
[20:23] <ioria> Thedarkb,  you install .deb when and only you don't have other choice
[20:24] <Thedarkb> I knew I was going to some kind of hell for it :)
[20:24] <clintar> no hell, just work
[20:24] <clintar> oops, not family friendly
[20:25] <Thedarkb> brb, gonna restart
[20:26] <Thedarkb> something has a lock on something hope this fixes it
[20:26] <k1l> Thedarkb: you maybe its installing updates?
[20:26] <k1l> you can only open the package management once at a time
[20:28] <clintar> nacc, i love you
[20:28] <clintar> nacc, thanks for the php extension info
[20:31] <sporthilites> hello
[20:32] <sporthilites> Cassiopaya
[20:40] <iarinov> is there jack by default in 16.04.1?
[20:40] <iarinov> (sound server with ow latency)
[20:42] <Bashing-om> !info jack xenial | iarinov
[20:43] <mcphail> !info jackd
[20:43] <mcphail> iarinov: it is in the repos, but not installed by default
[20:45] <iarinov> if i will install it manualy, the system and applications sounds will be fine or there is a chance to destroy the system? | mcphail
[20:45] <bytesaber> Is anyone able to help me understand this better?      http://askubuntu.com/questions/185317/are-security-ubuntu-com-updates-eventually-merged-into-normal-updates
[20:45] <bytesaber> I'm running a local mirror for private use,  but it costs me an extra 200+ GB just to be literal and maintain security.ubuntu.com and archive.ubuntu.com for trusty.
[20:46] <kernello> hello everyone, I'd like to back up all packages in their states and reinstall them in a new install of ubuntu. I found out about apt-clone here; https://askubuntu.com/questions/9135/how-to-backup-settings-and-list-of-installed-packages/486634#486634
[20:46] <kernello> but what am I gonna insert here: sudo apt-clone clone path-to/apt-clone-state-ubuntu-$(lsb_release -sr)-$(date +%F).tar.gz ?
[20:46] <kernello> what is 'path-to/apt-clone-state-ubuntu'?
[20:47] <mcphail> iarinov: it _shouldn't_ cause any problems until you start the server.  But, as in all things audio and linux related, YMMV
[20:47] <marcofe> hi everybody, I've a question for you...Is exist a mechanism to extract an ip without using DNS?
[20:47] <clintar> kernello, looks like it's wherever you want to keep the file is what it's saying
[20:48] <ducasse> kernello: 'path to' = path to where you want the file located, the rest is the filename. you don't need the two subshells if you don't want them, you can fill in whatever name you want.
[20:48] <iarinov> mcphail: i want to use it for DAW
[20:49] <mcphail> iarinov: yep. Most of the time it works well. I usually use something like qjackctl to configure, start and stop jack
[20:49] <ppf> marcofe: can you rephrase that question?
[20:49] <ppf> details?
[20:49] <mcphail> iarinov: some of the native DAWs (such as ardour) can run without jack, as well
[20:50] <iarinov> mcphail: what about Bitwig?
[20:50] <kernello> ducasse, so you mean it can be just 'sudo apt-clone clone path-to-ubuntu-clone' ? but I dont want to clone whole OS, just the packages that I manually installed. is the command for this purpose?
[20:50] <mcphail> iarinov: haven't used bitwig. In all cases, though, having jack is better than not having jack (if you can stand the pain of setting it up)
[20:51] <kernello> only to save the effort of reinstalling and reconfiguring them
[20:52] <ducasse> kernello: yes, that will work, it will replicate the state of the package system. you will still need to backup config under your homedir and stuff you've changed in /etc, though.
[20:52] <kernello> ah, these two packages, sure
[20:53] <iarinov> mcphail: understood thx
[20:56] <kernello> ducasse, I haven't changed anything in /etc, though. thank you very much for your help! I will use the command as above simplified. it will also backup the manual configurations, right?
[20:57] <ducasse> kernello: no, i just said you need to do that.
[20:57] <ducasse> kernello: it just backs up the state of the package system.
[20:58] <kernello> ducasse, oh, ok, right, sorry..it's also fine, as it saves a lot of installing
[20:58] <kernello> ducasse, thank you again, ciao!
[20:58] <ducasse> kernello: just backup your entire homedir in addition :)
[20:58] <ducasse> kernello: np.
[20:58] <kernello> ducasse, sure :)
[21:06] <nacc> clintar: i take it that it worked, then?
[21:06] <nacc> guest234862: yes, you're right, thank you for clarifying
[21:20] <kernello> ducasse, hello again, I just did the cloning..I had 'version mismatch' message for some packages, saying I could use '--with-dpkg-repack' to include those packages in the clone file. and when I used 'sudo apt-clone clone ~/path --with-dpkg-repack', I still get the same mismatch message for them..how should I deal with them in cloning process?
[21:21] <ducasse> kernello: i've seen that myself, use --with-dpkg-repack and just ignore the messages. never had any problems.
[21:22] <kernello> ducasse, great, thank you
[21:23] <ducasse> kernello: but you need ~/path/filename, did you use that?
[21:25] <kernello> ducasse, no, I ran 'sudo apt-clone clone ~/folder-of-the-clone --with-dpkg-repack'..should I have created a file in the folder first?
[21:25] <kernello> and point the command to that file
[21:25] <kernello> ?
[21:25] <ducasse> kernello: no, but specify the filename you want
[21:26] <kernello> ok, I'll do it again with filename
[21:28] <kernello> ducasse, I created a file in the folder, and inserted its name in the path, but still the command created its own file
[21:29] <kernello> yes, as you said
[21:29] <ducasse> kernello: never mind, just use the file it created. you can always rename it if you want/need to.
[21:29] <marcofe> ppf:  I've here in my home a homemade NAS with ubuntu installed. When i'm not at home, to transfer some files(by using Owncloud) in real time to my NAS, i use a VPN, but when I'm at home i would to use the local ip and not the VPN address. Do you have any suggestion?
[21:30] <kernello> ducasse, yes, everything looks as expected :)
[21:30] <clintar> nacc, it worked in a system i had previously installed it on by getting all the sources, but i have yet to try on a fresh install of 16.04. i'll see what happens there. i think i still need the sources, so i'm worried what will happen with the git thing
[21:30] <nacc> clintar: ok, if you get stuck, pastebin output and i can try and help
[21:30] <marcofe> ppf: Owncloud use a URL to syncronize files and in this URL at the moment i've inserted the VPN address.
[21:31] <marcofe> ppf: Now is it more clear? thank you for your supporting
[21:32] <Ben64> marcofe: use sshfs or nfs or samba or something else
[21:33] <ppf> a vpn connects you to your local network. the addresses should be the same?
[21:34] <marcofe> ppf no, because when i'm not at home, I use a VPN to transfer these files
[21:35] <marcofe> furthermore i'm not transfer these filese manually, but by using owncloud
[21:35] <ppf> marcofe: yes, i read that. a vpn is a tunnel into your local network. it makes it look like you were at home
[21:35] <marcofe> ppf: the address is configured differently
[21:35] <marcofe> maybe i need to reconfigure my vpn
[21:36] <krkan5253> hello
[21:36] <krkan5253> i need some answers
[21:36] <marcofe> my home network has  <IP_ADDRESS>/24 instead my VPN has <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[21:36] <krkan5253> lol
[21:37] <krkan5253> nice vpn m8
[21:37] <marcofe> krkan5253: some answer for what?
[21:37] <krkan5253> i installed bak box
[21:37] <krkan5253> back
[21:37] <k1l> !backbox | krkan5253
[21:37] <krkan5253> and i know some basic things
[21:37] <krkan5253> but
[21:38] <ppf> marcofe: what's the point of that vpn then, when you've still got distinct nets?
[21:39] <krkan5253> i moved to linux beacouse its more easy to do stuff
[21:39] <krkan5253> im sing black box
[21:39] <krkan5253> using
[21:39] <Ben64> krkan5253: yes and that version is not supported here, this channel only supports Ubuntu
[21:39] <k1l> krkan5253: see the bots message. we cant help you in here
[21:40] <krkan5253> this is ubuntu :P
[21:40] <OerHeks> krkan5253, backbox is not an official ubuntu flavor.
[21:40] <krkan5253> ok
[21:40] <krkan5253> i didnt want to use kali
[21:40] <krkan5253> i wanted something different
[21:40] <krkan5253> fresh
[21:40] <Pici> Kali is also not an official Ubuntu flavor
[21:40] <darwinvasquez> I have a doubt with xubuntu
[21:41] <krkan5253> caould you tell me some basic commands for terminal
[21:41] <krkan5253> not too basic
[21:41] <marcofe> ppf: I'm thinking about you said andh you have right eheh
[21:41] <MonkeyDust> !terminal | krkan5253 start here
[21:42] <darwinvasquez> my windows now don't show the close, minimize buttons when the window is complete
[21:42] <k1l> krkan5253: ask in #linux if you want to ask for generic linux usage not specific to ubuntu.
[21:42] <krkan5253> ok
[21:42] <krkan5253> so ubuntu is diiferent
[21:43] <krkan5253> i didnt know that
[21:43] <k1l> krkan5253: come back when you actually use ubuntu. we need this channel for ubuntu users who got issues and need help. thank you.
[21:44] <krkan5253> when i installed this this os i clicked the on the ubuntu box
[21:44] <krkan5253> ok
[21:44] <krkan5253> do i join by typing /join #linux
[21:44] <k1l> yes
[21:44] <krkan5253> ok
[21:45] <krkan5253> thank you for all the info!
[21:45] <krkan5253> have a great day/night
[21:45] <krkan5253> :P
[21:47] <ryan_> Hello
[22:02] <T0K3n> Hello everyone. Could somebody who knows a bit about C programming help me to get a "NaN" output for my function when a negative number is the input for my heron funkction? http://pastebin.com/DAjDtUMZ
[22:03] <crash__> crash> hello all, I am running mint 18 on a 128 GB USB drive that I have formatted, this is not a LiveUSB. I have it set up as the following : http://i.imgur.com/wibi49R.png
[22:03] <crash__>  I'm trying to make the 99 GB part at the beginning identify to windows when I boot to windows, is there a way to do that
[22:03] <k1l> !mint | crash__
[22:04] <nacc> T0K3n: probably should ask in a programming channel
[22:04] <k1l> please ask the mint specialists at theit channel
[22:04] <nacc> !alis | T0K3n
[22:04] <crash__> I asked there. It just a general partitioning problem... if you all could help I'd really appreciate it
[22:04] <crash__> but I understand
[22:07] <T0K3n> alright thx
[22:13] <cylix> 2885 Sanford Ave. SW Suite 20138, 00000,
[22:13] <cylix> 49418 - Grandville
[22:14] <Guy1524> i have the default libreoffice 5.1 installed on Ubuntu 16.04, and would like to install 5.3.  I have found a .deb on the libreoffice website, but would installing it conflict with the libreoffice I already have installed
[22:14] <myke> hello is there a free font that includes deer (unicode U+1F98C) ?  this codepoint was only added last year in unicode 9.0
[22:24] <xangua> Guy1524: if you install the Deb you first need to uninstall LibreOffice, yes; I've read there is also a snap package and there is also the LibreOffice PPA repository
[22:24] <Guy1524> xangua: I have tried it, and it didn't brake anything
[22:24] <Guy1524> it installs seperately from my libreoffice package
[22:24] <xangua> Good
[22:24] <Guy1524> and the package name is libreoffice5.3
[22:24] <Guy1524> so I now have both
[22:32] <krkan_5253> guys
[22:32] <krkan_5253> i need help
[22:32] <krkan_5253> anyone?
[22:32] <wedgie> ask a question.
[22:32] <krkan_5253> ok
[22:32] <krkan_5253> i know this isnt an linux channel
[22:33] <k1l> krkan_5253: didnt we have this debate already?
[22:33] <krkan_5253> but when i try to join a linux channel i get an error register nickname
[22:33] <wedgie> krkan_5253: ask in #freenode
[22:33] <krkan_5253> ok
[22:34] <krkan_5253> when i try to type in #freenode it says "no channel joine try /channel name"
[22:34] <krkan_5253> join*
[22:34] <krkan_5253> so
[22:34] <krkan_5253> crap
[22:34] <COSL04X> you have to register you nickname and a email with freenod to "verify"your account on freenode
[22:34] <nacc> !registery | krkan_5253
[22:34] <nacc> !register | krkan_5253
[22:34] <COSL04X> once you do that you can join restricted channels
[22:34] <krkan_5253> thanks guys
[22:34] <k1l> to join a channel do "/join #channelname" some channels request you register with freenode first. so ask in #freenode for help
[22:37] <anonV> Yo, im not being to install - pip install NumPy it downloads but then I got the error
[22:37] <anonV> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23907722/
[22:38] <nrushton> does setting compactionthroughput affect existing compactions?
[22:39] <Pici> anonV: you have a few choices: 1) install the python-numpy package via apt 2) install it in a virtualenv 3) pass the --user switch to pip to install it to your users home.
[22:39] <k1l> !info python-numpy
[22:40] <Pici> anonV: Do *not* use sudo to install anything with pip. It will cause many headaches later.
[22:40] <anonV> ok
[22:41] <Krkan> i sucessfully registered thanks guys and peace
[22:41] <anonV> so best way is to use it in a virtualenv ?
[22:42] <Pici> anonV: Well thats the best practice for installing most python packages.
[22:43] <Pici> anonV: fyi, theres also #python here on freenode, they're very helpful there if you need more python related help.
[22:46] <anonV> Ok ty Pici
[22:47] <ivanskie> \join #virtualbox
[22:48] <ChaiTRex> How can I figure out the ./configure options used for an Apt package?
[22:50] <nacc> ChaiTRex: you'd need to look at the src package and see what is passed in debian/rules
[22:50] <nacc> ChaiTRex: i'm assuming you mean a .deb when you say "Apt package'
[22:51] <ChaiTRex> nacc: That worked. Thanks.
[22:53] <ho3in-u16m> hi
[22:55] <foli> This it to notify the we are beginning maitenance on Canonical data centre firewalls.
[22:57] <Pici> foli: thanks for the heads up
[22:58] <ivanskie> hi
[22:59] <ivanskie> was here yesterday asking about how to figure out whats blocking outside ssh connections to a ubuntu box in virtualbox spunup by vagrant.  i have a kubuntu box i've installed on the same virtualbox.. just tried it and I can ssh into it. just find.
[22:59] <ivanskie> fine
[23:27] <SupaYoshi> I've a very odd issue with firefox , I've already tried updating firefox to a later version but
[23:27] <SupaYoshi> instead of dispalying the html markup correctly, tried same webpage on different systems, all work fine except ubuntu
[23:27] <SupaYoshi> I still get odd html markup, where it goes like <font color='#3232>
[23:29] <adalbert> 02/02/2017 00:05:41 Got connection from client <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:44] <TronaldDump> My IQ is one of the highest — and you all know it!  Love!
[23:45] <L0rdLaravel> it's a bot
[23:46] <TronaldDump> An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud
[23:46] <L0rdLaravel> I knew it!
[23:46] <dork> ...
[23:46] <compdoc> lol
[23:46] <TronaldDump> Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don’t know what to do. Love!
[23:46] <compdoc> this bot is pretty lifelike
[23:46] <L0rdLaravel> just as much as a bot as the real Trump
[23:46] <compdoc> heh
[23:46] <TronaldDump> The only card [Hillary Clinton] has is the woman’s card. She’s got nothing else to offer and frankly, if Hillary Clinton were a man, I don’t think she’d get 5 percent of the vote. The only thing she’s got going is the woman’s card, and the beautiful thing is, women don’t like her.
[23:46] <OerHeks> this is not twitter, is it?
[23:47] <TronaldDump> I’m just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and just give it to Trump, right?
[23:47] <compdoc> 20 more years, Donald'
[23:47] <TronaldDump> I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke.
[23:47] <TronaldDump> The point is, you can never be too greedy.
[23:47] <compdoc> ops!
[23:48] <compdoc> dont know how this works
[23:48] <compdoc> !ops
[23:48] <TronaldDump> My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.
[23:48]  * dax looks up
[23:48] <TronaldDump> My IQ is one of the highest — and you all know it!


[09:22] <xu-help5w> Hi. Trying clean install of xubuntu on an old AMD64 system. Booted from 22.04, Jammy Jellyfish install usb. After install, system failed on first reboot. BIOS halts after detecting HDs whenever that drive is connected. Can’t even enter BIOS settings. Disconnect the Linux drive and I can enter the BIOS. Any idea what the problem could be?
[09:26] <diogenes_Vx15> xu-help5w: do you also have windows on that drive?
[11:49] <salman> hello, im new here anyone can help me why my internet connection so slow?
[11:50] <Guest5327> hello, im new here anyone can help me why my internet connection so slow?