[03:21] <micahg> Unit193: upstream can mean to both push to source and Debian
[03:21] <Unit193> I sent the patch to the bug, so there's that.
[03:22] <micahg> ok, that fix also looks like it should have a versioned dependency on the oauth2 library
[03:25] <micahg> it's a binary dependency, but unless that fix will work on older versions it should depend on the version where the class? name changes
[03:31] <Unit193> https://github.com/google/oauth2client/blame/master/oauth2client/client.py#L175 looks fine?
[03:33] <micahg> I'm talking about in debian/control
[03:34] <micahg> ah, haha 2011
[03:36] <micahg> https://github.com/google/oauth2client/blame/master/oauth2client/client.py#L1020 ?
[03:38] <Unit193> Great, just froze firefox by opening a massive commit on a netbook...
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning


[12:35] <calc> raf256: alsa doesn't suck, its lack of drivers generally
[12:36] <crimsun> people love blaming stuff they don't understand.
[12:37] <Pricey> people love blaming devs over stuff they don't understand
[12:37] <cps1966> crimsun:  well jump in and fix this then
[12:37] <crimsun> cps1966: well, give me more details.
[12:38] <cps1966> i know its not skype because it work with same kernel in mandriva
[12:38] <crimsun> you might also note that I've led ALSA maintenance in Ubuntu for the past 2 years.
[12:38] <phr0stbyte> cps1966: Did you loose your sound after updates?
[12:38] <cps1966> no i have sound its just the mic output is null
[12:38] <phr0stbyte> Ah
[12:39] <phr0stbyte> cps1966: Check the mic with alsamixer?
[12:39] <cps1966> its all the way up and with boost on full
[12:39] <SeveredCross> Woot woot.
[12:40] <crimsun> "If you are filing a bug report pertaining to ALSA, please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support, and attach output (a URL) from the paste generated by the alsa-info.sh script linked from that page."
[12:40] <crimsun> right on my LP page.
[12:41] <cps1966> crimsun:  that url isn't working
[12:41] <Peaker> Gutsy is pronounced the way it is written?
[12:41] <SeveredCross> I would believe so, yes.
[12:41] <SeveredCross> Gut-see
[12:42] <crimsun> cps1966: then use the output from ``lspci -nv && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''
[12:42] <Peaker> thanks
[12:42] <phr0stbyte> I would shy away from updating to kernel 2.6.22-8 - at least if you are running an nvidia card
[12:43] <cps1966> !pastebin
[12:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <SeveredCross> ATI works fine. :)
[12:44] <SeveredCross> For once.
[12:44] <phr0stbyte> heh
[12:44] <cps1966> crimsun:  here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29869/
[12:44] <SeveredCross> I just wish the ATI driver supported compositing OOTB.
[12:45] <SeveredCross> I hear AMD is commited to making it open-source though.
[12:45] <SeveredCross> Err, committed.
[12:45] <phr0stbyte> SeveredCross: I had to remove the kernel entry out of grub to even boot up into graphical mode
[12:45] <crimsun> cps1966: now, ``cat /proc/asound/cards /proc/interrupts && amixer -c2''
[12:45] <cps1966> err they should have committed themselves to nuthouse
[12:49] <phr0stbyte> SeveredCross: Have you seen their new card? the PowerColor Radeon HD 2900 XT
[12:49] <SeveredCross> Nope, haven't..
[12:49] <phr0stbyte> Looks like it sucks some crazy power
[12:49] <SeveredCross> I've been out of the loop for a few days, haven't checked Liferea to see what's new in the world of tech.
[12:49] <SeveredCross> I'm probably gonna have a thousand bloody unread articles.
[12:50] <crimsun> cps1966: still awaiting the URL.
[12:50] <SeveredCross> 655.
[12:50] <phr0stbyte> SeveredCross: core clock speed = 743MHz
[12:51] <cps1966> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/618380
[12:52] <crimsun> cps1966: so where's the output from amixer -c2 in that paste?
[12:54] <cps1966> crimsun:  where is it hiding
[12:54] <crimsun> you didn't paste it.  I have no idea.
[12:55] <cps1966> 0 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[12:55] <crimsun> no, amixer -c2
[12:55] <crimsun> not cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:56] <cps1966> thats what i got
[12:56] <crimsun> amixer does not output that.
[12:57] <cps1966> no output at all
[12:57] <cps1966> just returns prompt
[12:57] <crimsun> `amixer -c2;echo $?` returns nothing?
[12:58] <cps1966> 0
[12:58] <crimsun> ah
[12:58] <crimsun> different output.
[12:59] <crimsun> you need amixer -c0
[12:59] <SeveredCross> 743 Mhz!
[12:59] <SeveredCross> Jesus christ!
[01:01] <cps1966> crimsun:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29870/
[01:02] <crimsun> Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
[01:02] <crimsun>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
[01:02] <crimsun>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
[01:02] <crimsun>   Limits: Capture 0 - 15
[01:02] <crimsun>   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%]  [0.00dB]  [on]
[01:02] <crimsun>   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%]  [0.00dB]  [on]
[01:02] <crimsun> see how Capture is zeroed?
[01:03] <soc> hi
[01:03] <cps1966> yeah so how do i change it
[01:03] <soc> does somebody plan to sync avivo with upstream?
[01:03] <crimsun> cps1966: use the mixer applet.
[01:04] <crimsun> cps1966: or alsamixer or amixer or aumix or ...
[01:04] <soc> 0.1.0 should be out shortly,, suppoting 68 r500 gpus ...
[01:05] <cps1966> alsamixer says its set at 97%
[01:05] <crimsun> it's not.
[01:05] <soc> are there plans to update avivo, so testers can get their hands on it?
[01:05] <crimsun> it's very, very clearly 0%
[01:06] <cps1966> hmm
[01:06] <crimsun> cps1966: note: I'm talking about CAPTURE, not MIC.
[01:06] <crimsun> very, very different.
[01:06] <crimsun> on most AC'97 hardware, you need both Capture and Mic unmuted and non-zero
[01:07] <cps1966> doesn't show capture
[01:07] <crimsun> so add it.
[01:07] <crimsun> Open Volume Control> Edit> Preferences
[01:08] <cps1966> i'm using kde
[01:08] <soc> does aynone know something about the avivo driver?
[01:08] <crimsun> so use KMix.
[01:09] <cps1966> ok capture is set at 30
[01:09] <cps1966> top level
[01:09] <crimsun> now capture something via arecord
[01:11] <cps1966> nothing
[01:11] <cps1966> silence
[01:12] <crimsun> are you using Mic1 or Mic2 physically?
[01:12] <crimsun> (sometimes "front mic jack" or "rear mic jack")
[01:12] <cps1966> theres only one input
[01:13] <crimsun> so switch the control to Mic2
[01:14] <cps1966> still nada
[01:17] <crimsun> play with your Surround elements.
[01:17] <crimsun> this includes downmixing and # channel selections
[01:20] <cps1966> hmm nothing
[01:20] <crimsun> there are a _lot_ of combinations.
[01:21] <crimsun> read the ALSA wiki under Capture/Recording
[01:21] <crimsun> alsa.opensrc.org
[01:22] <cps1966>  Capture exclusive group: 0
[01:22] <cps1966>   Playback channels: Mono
[01:22] <cps1966>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
[01:22] <cps1966>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[01:22] <cps1966>   Mono: Playback 30 [97%]  [10.50dB]  [on]
[01:22] <cps1966>   Front Left: Capture [on]
[01:22] <cps1966>   Front Right: Capture [on]
[01:23] <crimsun> you have additional codec quirks; the wiki mentions them.
[01:23] <crimsun> I'm away for the evening.
[02:14] <martoss> hi folks
[02:14] <martoss> i am trying to get a virtualized opensuse or redhat running.
[02:14] <martoss> i need gutsy and the 2.6.22 kernel, due to santa rosa.
[02:14] <martoss> any chances to get vmware, xen or whatever running?
[02:20] <soc> does someone know when a new version of the avivo driver will get into gutsy?
[02:27] <justdave> I'm running gutsy, and I just installed the openvpn plugin for NetworkManager, and the Configure VPN... option shows up in the network manager menu, but when I pick it, nothing happens.  Anyone know where to start troubleshooting?
[02:28] <justdave> found a thread on the same symptoms in the forums, but it's from Jan 2005, and whatever the issue was there was supposedly solved a long time ago.
[03:09] <r00tintheb0x> Hey guys, is there any way to switch a Fedora server to an Ubuntu server remotely? Should I just SCP all the directories over and reinstall grub?
[03:11] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[03:37] <CharlesEdwardPax> The gutsy daily-live iso image has not been updated in quite some time now. The dail iso image, however, has. For example; the daily iso has restricted-manager 0.23 while the daily-live has only restricted-manager 0.20.
[03:37] <CharlesEdwardPax> Does anyone know what is going on? When can I expect to see a daily-live iso image with the current packages. I would like a current build to test on my PowerBook. Thanks...
[03:52] <MrFeetio> i just installed alot of updates (kernel 22-7 to 22-8)
[03:52] <MrFeetio> and now my laptop is running 10 degrees(Celsius) cooler
[03:53] <MrFeetio> which is alot
[03:54] <MrFeetio> does anyone know why this may have happened(im not complaining)
[03:55] <Jordan_U> MrFeetio, What kind of laptop is it?
[03:55] <MugginsM> there was some stuff in the newer kernels that is a lot more power efficient, maybe ubuntu enabled it?
[03:55] <MrFeetio> its a HP dv6000t
[03:55] <MrFeetio> core 2 duo
[03:56] <MrFeetio> it used to run at 39 degrees(a few months ago) then i noticed it started running at 50(i didnt change anything) so i upgraded to 7.10(tickless kernel, and i love bleeding edge)
[03:57] <MrFeetio> still 50, then 15 min a updated upgraded, restarted 39-49 again
[03:57] <MrFeetio> *15 min ago
[03:57] <MrFeetio> s/a/ago
[04:39] <conn> hi, has anyone tried compiz with exa on an intel graphics chipset? does it work for you?
[04:49] <arooni_> hey folks
[04:49] <arooni_> can someone take a look at http://pastie.caboo.se/78772
[04:49] <arooni_> i'm having trouble getting just the intel video driver from gutsy
[05:09] <shirish> ubotu mobile
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <shirish> ubotu embedded
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about embedded - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <DanaG> !ubuntumobile
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntumobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <shirish> DanaG: any idea about the ubuntumobile distro./stuff . I just have the mail which says it gonna happen https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.htm nothing else
[05:10] <DanaG> !hildon
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hildon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <DanaG> !hildon-desktop
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hildon-desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <shirish> perhaps there is a spelling mistake or something, for I can't find aptitude show hildon :(
[05:12] <DanaG> Try to search, instead.
[05:13] <shirish> I tried just that, hildon-desktop is there as well as some libraries, but curiously no mention of any web-site although the mailing list is given.
[05:16] <shirish> DanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded any idea how to add this link to the factoid? I went to the factoids.cgi but couldn't find a way to add it.
[05:16] <Amaranth> shirish: it's more 'get hildon in the archive'
[05:16] <Amaranth> i don't think there is going to be a distro released from it
[05:17] <Amaranth> !mobile is <reply>Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:17] <Amaranth> !mobile is <reply> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:17] <Amaranth> stupid bot
[05:18] <shirish> Amaranth: I did see the mail so know its going to be an early release, I just wanted to know some stuff, btw did you just add it to the factoid like that?
[05:18] <Amaranth> !mobile > shirish
[05:18] <Amaranth> gah, wrong modifier
[05:18] <Amaranth> i just added it, yes
[05:18] <Amaranth> but you can't
[05:19] <shirish> I guess only ops or somebody like that can only add stuff
[05:19] <shirish> ubotu mobile
[05:19] <ubotu> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:19] <Amaranth> something like that
[05:19] <shirish> ah good :)
[05:19] <Amaranth> /msg ubotu %editors
[05:19] <Amaranth> doing it here will pretty much be the same as calling the ops
[05:20] <shirish> ok cool, I don't like to call anybody unless it really is necessary ;)
[05:20] <shirish> thanx all the same though :)
[05:21] <Amaranth> well, it just gives you an idea of who can add stuff
[05:22] <Amaranth> or you can attempt to add it and ubotu will tell us in #ubuntu-ops
[05:22] <shirish> that's cool :)
[05:22] <Amaranth> and we can review it and such
[05:22] <shirish> that's cool also :)
[05:30] <shirish> sorry for that abrupt going off, gnash decided that it didn't like a flash file & rebooted me in the session.
[05:30] <shirish> its proving to be much too much pain rather than any fun with it :(
[05:37] <mdurham> /leave
[05:39] <shirish> ubotu mobile
[05:39] <ubotu> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:42] <Perdente> to save my life, can a swap partition be part of an extension and still work?
[06:23] <DanaG> aah, it's so wonderful booting back into Gutsy after a long time in WinXP.
[06:23] <MugginsM> heh
[06:23] <DanaG> If I read text in XP for a long time, I end up with bloodshot eyes.
[06:23] <MugginsM> yeah, there's something up with Windows fonts
[06:23] <MugginsM> don't know what because they initially look ok, but they're not good
[06:23] <DanaG> If I do the same in Gutsy, I have no (or at least less severe) problems.
[06:24] <DanaG> It may be because Windows fails at DPI scaling.
[06:24] <MugginsM> I've noticed that
[06:24] <DanaG> It's "my way or the highway" -- where "my way" is Microsoft's way -- 96DPI.
[06:28] <DanaG> aaaaaah, soooooo much better.
[06:59] <Nergar> hello
[07:05] <Nergar> i did the "partial upgrade" and now my system is broken
[07:05] <Hobbsee> then...fix it?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> please see the /topic
[07:05] <Hobbsee> and file a bug, if one is not already filed
[07:15] <SeveredCross> Yes yes very cool but will it make me a midnight snack?
[07:15] <SeveredCross> Oops, wrong window. ^_^
[07:16] <Nergar> i know, but i need help with filing the bug, i don't know which package is broken
[07:16] <SeveredCross> Uh....
[07:16] <SeveredCross> What about your system is busted?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> does the upgrade output help you?
[08:27] <CharlesEdwardPax> Anyone know what's causing the PPC daily-live builds to not be updating? Every day the regular daily iso has updated packages, but the daily-live one does not.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: yeah.  they're screwed atm.
[08:33] <SeveredCross> I just finished a full kernel configuration.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: the livefs not building, is the actual answer
[08:34] <SeveredCross> Then realized I needed kernel-package...I installed it and for some reason it decided to remove linux-headers-blah-blah....And there went my .config
[08:34] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: and the livefs is not actually building, due to the dependancies not satisfiable
[08:34] <SeveredCross> I didn't even realize what happened until it finished.
[08:42] <CharlesEdwardPax> Hobbsee: Thanks for the answer. It's been bugging me for the last few days. Have you heard anything indicating when this might be fixed? Maybe for Tribe 3 on the 19th.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: monday, probably
[08:42] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: you didnt tell me which flavour
[08:42] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: it'll be fixed before tribe 3, definetly
[08:42] <CharlesEdwardPax> Ubuntu on PPC
[08:43] <CharlesEdwardPax> Not Kubuntu or anything
[08:43] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[08:44] <CharlesEdwardPax> Hobbsee: Thanks again. I'm off to sleep...
[11:08] <Infecto> hello
[11:08] <Infecto> can some one tell me why suspend to ram don`t work ? i use ati card and gutsy.
[11:09] <Infecto> Linux sraptok 2.6.22-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Jul 12 15:59:45 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:09] <Infecto> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[11:09] <Infecto> i do like it saids but :(
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Infecto: https://launchpad.net/bugs/125946
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125946 in linux-source-2.6.22 "No suspend to disk with 2.6.22 on Thinkpad Z61m" [Undecided,New]
[11:35] <Infecto> gnomefreak: i use suspend to ram
[11:35] <Infecto> not to disk
[12:43] <kingrayray> anybody got a helio ocean? hehe
[12:43] <kingrayray> need to figure out how to mount it as mass storage ^^
[12:56] <eagles0513875> !dpkg
[12:56] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[01:13] <ZeroX> i need help about customizing  & rebranding ubuntu
[01:20] <eagles0513875> ZeroX: u working on creating ur own distro
[01:38] <ZeroX> yep
 where r u
[01:39] <eagles0513875> here
[01:39] <eagles0513875> im going to lunch though
[01:39] <ZeroX> Ok
[01:40] <eagles0513875> we need to talk when i get back
[01:40] <eagles0513875> im looking to creat my own distro too
[01:40] <eagles0513875> brb
[01:40] <ZeroX> jusk one question dude
[02:01] <Hobbsee> oh yay, more subdistros...
[02:02] <ZeroX> yes why not
[02:02] <ZeroX> ya ya
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ZeroX: because if the ideas that you have are not on crack, then we probably want them in main ubuntut.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> *ubuntu
[02:02] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i cant spell tonight
[02:02] <ZeroX> Oops
[02:03] <Hobbsee> of course, if they're a complete spinoff, then go ahead
[02:04] <Hobbsee> but there's limited point in getting stuff implemented in a subdistribution, if it's also good for the main one
[02:04] <Hobbsee> imo
[02:04] <ZeroX>  without hesitations
[02:20] <shirish> does anybody know the source package that history is part of , I tried apt-cache search history (nothing) , apt-cache madison history (nothing), aptitude show history (nothing), does anybody have any other idea?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> shirish: i'd guess part of bash
[02:21] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh ok thanx
[02:23] <shirish> any idea how would I find in the history all the commands which I have started or had 'dpkg' as its starting , I know 'find' or 'grep' would be used somehow.
[02:23] <shirish> correcting  dpkg as its starting string
[02:25] <Hobbsee> shirish: history | grep dpkg
[02:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:26] <shirish> drats lol, never thought it would be that easy, always was thinking it would be something like history find 'dpkg - *' or something complicated like that lol
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe, nope
[02:30] <Hobbsee> although the file that the history is stored in is ~/.bash_history
[02:30] <Hobbsee> so you can also do grep dpkg ~/.bash_history
[02:34] <shirish> oh ok cool :)
[03:33] <soc> hi
[03:34] <soc> my kde 4 alpha 2 chrashes because it tries to find files in /usr/lib/kde4/usr/lib/kde4 ...
[03:34] <soc> someone knows a fix for that?
[03:34] <soc> i already tried the instructions on kubuntu.org
[03:34] <astinus> Fix? Use KDE 3.5.x ;)
[03:35] <soc> c'mon ...
[03:35] <soc> i tried kde4 because i hope i don't dislike it as much as kde3 ...
[03:35] <astinus> As the eminent Mr. Torvalds suggested, GNOME must be the way forward :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> it's an alpha....
[03:37] <astinus> well that didn't take long
[04:07] <ShackJack> Hi - just wondering if any Gutsy/Compiz/XGL/fglrx users are experiencing general "wonkiness" lately...  XGL on notebook not starting up right lately, desktop panel locking up, wireless stack issues... Just curious...
[04:07] <ShackJack> Gutsy/Nvidia/Compiz setup on 5-year old desktop is flawless ;)
[04:33] <ccoffey> would the patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/106887 be implemented in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/admin/grub ?
[04:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106887 in grub ""ALERT! does not exist" at boot with ICH7" [Medium,Fix released]
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: msot likely
[04:35] <ccoffey> I'm not sure how to read diff's, but it says "+grub (0.97-20ubuntu7) gutsy; urgency=low" so is that line changed to 0.97-20ubuntu7, or has that to be changed?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: yes it has been applied
[04:36] <Hobbsee> huh?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> you dont need to apply that in gutsy
[04:36] <Hobbsee> unless someones' pulled the patch, for some unkonwn reason
[04:36] <ccoffey> Hobbsee: ok, thanks. I'm not too up on diffs and so on
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/106887/comments/51
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106887 in grub ""ALERT! does not exist" at boot with ICH7" [Medium,Fix released]
[04:39] <ccoffey> Hobbsee: ok, makes sense now, I'm not quite down with the lingo, but I know now :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: no problem
[04:40] <eagles0513875> i dont know whether anyone can help me but i just upgraded to kde 3.5.7 and for some reason when i listen to any of my music (which is in flac format) in amarok throughout all the audio it cuts out intermittently
[04:46] <SeveredCross> Dumdedum
[04:46] <SeveredCross> People say you shouldn't use Alpha software.
[04:46] <SeveredCross> Gutsy is stable as all hell.
[04:46] <SeveredCross> Though one thing is bugging me--is there a bug where Gutsy doesn't lock X sessions when you close the screen on a laptop or did I miss a setting.
[04:46] <eagles0513875> agreed found a few bugs and im having one with amarok and kde 3.5.7 and i found a nasty one after a dist-upgrade
[04:46] <eagles0513875> missed a setting
[04:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:47] <SeveredCross> The only bugs I've ran into were the apt and libcurl* issues.
[04:47] <eagles0513875> open up power manager
[04:47] <SeveredCross> Well, the setting was all set up in Feisty heh.
[04:47] <ilikec0ws> My gutsy attempt didnt like me ^^
[04:47] <eagles0513875> what was ur apt issue
[04:47] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: amarok != kde4
[04:47] <SeveredCross> Couldn't satisfy a libapt-inst dependency for a long time.
[04:47] <ilikec0ws> Lots of problems booting up, yet when I ran feisty ages ago i never had a problem
[04:47] <eagles0513875> i had a nasty one with apport when i did a dist upgrade after adept notifier would crash and spawn alot of apport processes until i had no more swap space and my comp was bogged down like crazy
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Er, no option in power manager eagles0513875.
[04:48] <ilikec0ws> ie. Unconsistent booting from the livecd, then installer failed to create an ext3  partition in my HDD
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[04:48] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: on the bottom
[04:48] <SeveredCross> I had no issues, but then I dist-upgraded from Feisty.
[04:48] <eagles0513875> it says when laptop lid is closed what do u want it to do
[04:48] <SeveredCross> .
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Lock The Screen is not there.
[04:48] <eagles0513875> for me it is
[04:49] <eagles0513875> wait
[04:49] <SeveredCross> KDE has it I think, GNOME doesn't
[04:49] <SeveredCross> GNOME automatically locks.
[04:49] <eagles0513875> r u on ubuntu or kubuntu
[04:49] <eagles0513875> im on kde and i just set it to lock
[04:49] <SeveredCross> GNOME usually does it without me having to tell it to, except not in Gutsy.
[04:50] <SeveredCross> I think I may have seen that as a reported bug.
[04:50] <SeveredCross> But I'm not 100%.
[04:50] <eagles0513875> severed lol that will get worked out before release
[04:50] <eagles0513875> im running the x64 version of it and i love it
[04:50] <eagles0513875> best 64bit os out there
[04:51] <SeveredCross> I know it'll get worked out, it's just a mite annoying--I've gotten used to locking the workstation by hand and just hitting Ctrl-Alt-L
[04:55] <eagles0513875> how do a move a folder from one place into another folder
[04:55] <eagles0513875> i cant just drag and drop it cuz i need root privs
[04:55] <SeveredCross> kdesu konqueror?
[04:56] <SeveredCross> I know that's a bit of bad form for some reason or another that I can't remember right now but it seems like a good idea.
[04:56] <SeveredCross> Either that or sudo mv should do too
[04:56] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: no, that's correct usage
[04:56] <SeveredCross> Is it? I must be mixed up.
[04:56] <SeveredCross> Very possible..
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[04:57] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !kdesu
[04:57] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:58] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i knwo that already i just need to move a folder that i cant just drag and drop
[04:58] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: use kdesu konqueror
[05:01] <SeveredCross> jOh, righttt.
[05:04] <SeveredCross> Woot!
[05:04] <SeveredCross> The new "blank screen when idle" is cool.
[05:04] <SeveredCross> And very smooth.
[05:09] <Disablez> Anyone has probs purging old linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22.x?
[05:16] <SeveredCross> Does anyone happen to know if the problem with vesa not being able to start X on an ATI card without fglrx has been fixed?
[05:21] <ilikec0ws> Anyone know where ubuntu keeps its equivalent to /etc/rc.conf?
[05:22] <crimsun> ilikec0ws: there is none.
[05:22] <crimsun> (upstart currently provides sysvinit compatibility)
[05:22] <ilikec0ws> crimsun, upstart?
[05:23] <crimsun> upstart handles the scripts in the traditional sysvinit boot sequence
[05:24] <ilikec0ws> If I have removed something from my run levels like GDM, how would I go about adding it back?
[05:24] <crimsun> use update-rc.d
[05:25] <crimsun> see gdm's postinst file
[05:25] <crimsun> /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst:101:  update-rc.d gdm defaults 13 01 >/dev/null 2>&1
[05:26] <ilikec0ws> Which would i run in terminal
[05:26] <ilikec0ws> ?
[05:26] <crimsun> the update-rc.d command
[05:26] <crimsun> see everything that follows the colon
[05:26] <crimsun> the second colon, that is.
[05:57] <lontra> is the orinoco_cs module not included in the tribe+2 cd?  i can't seem to modprobe it and it's a very common module.  i use it with my orinoco card and i've never had a distro not support it
[05:58] <SeveredCross> Meh, having trouble publishing my gpg key.
[06:10] <mendred> hi just updated to gutsy... feels more responsive...i am trying to run compiz fusion, when i run kde-window-decorator i am getting a thick border around stuff like panels, menus etc..any idea how to remove this?
[06:23] <comzip99> connect #ubuntu
[07:21] <Karti> Hi all, just trying to install 7.10 32 bit onto a 64 bit PC....having no luck, is this to be expected?
[07:22] <SeveredCross> Well.
[07:22] <SeveredCross> In some ways, yes, Gutsy is still Tribe 2, which is alpha.
[07:23] <SeveredCross> But, 32bit onto 64bit should have no issues--there's no pure 64-bit processor in existence, all of them should run 32-bit no problem.
[07:23] <SeveredCross> What's the problem you're having
[07:24] <Karti> I just keep getting errors and it suggests that I try it with noapic but the same error. I thought it was my hard drive but as its a live disk it should still boot
[07:24] <SeveredCross> What boot errors?
[07:24] <SeveredCross> Be more specific. :)
[07:24] <Karti> SeveredCross: brb, just switching pcs
[07:25] <SeveredCross> Okay.
[07:28] <Karti> SeveredCross: My error is ; MP-BIOS bug 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8254 in slang "countrychooser: db_go fails when choosing Arabic as language (dup-of: 8253)" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8254
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8253 in slang "crash displaying main menu in arabic" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8253
[07:28] <Karti> followed by Kernal panic - not syncing:IO-APIC + timer doesn't work!
[07:30] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:31] <SeveredCross> Yeah, sounds like you need noapic...Do you still get the same error with noapic?
[07:31] <SeveredCross> Err, you already answered that, you do.
[07:31] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[07:31] <Karti> It lets me go further, but after a few minutes of what looks like a good load, it goes to pages of errors with no access
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Try noapic nolapic
[07:32] <Karti> I got the same result
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[07:32] <Karti> I just added it to the end of the boot list,
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Sounds like the kernel really hates your PC.
[07:32] <SeveredCross> What kind of setup do you have?
[07:36] <Karti> SeveredCross: I have an ASUS M2N4-SLI motherboard with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+, I managed to get Fedora 6 running on it, but that was just to play with, my main PC is Kubuntu
[07:36] <Karti> so I wanted to try out the latest version on my test one
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Hmmm.
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Interesting.
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Did you try the 64-bit version?
[07:38] <Karti> Downloading it as we speak
[07:38] <Karti> The only issues I have with that is the lck of drivers and I don't have the skills yet to amend them
[07:38] <Karti> lack of drivers rather
[07:38] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:38] <SeveredCross> Yeah.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> What drivers do you need that aren't available?
[07:39] <Karti> Wifes not forgiven me for updating her to win xp 64 bit lol
[07:40] <SeveredCross> LOL, yeah, 64bit drivers for XP are far and few between.
[07:41] <Karti> I used to use VMWare on Windows which used a wireless connection but I could fool it into using it as an ethernet, as I have not got the hang of using wireless on linux yet, so my first trial into Kubuntu picked up my usb wireless straight away which pleased me no end
[07:41] <Karti> but wireless is my main issue
[07:42] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:42] <SeveredCross> Wireless is much improved since 6.06.
[07:43] <SeveredCross> The biggest improvement was the jump from Edgy to Feisty, with the new NetworkManager.
[07:43] <Karti> to be honest once I got the hang of the manager it was easy
[07:43] <SeveredCross> Yeah, NetworkManager is great.
[07:43] <Karti> and a main reason I moved from windows to ubuntu
[07:44] <SeveredCross> I switched because I got sick of Windows.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> It always bogs down after a few months no matter how clean you keep your system.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> Because it accumulates cruft that you can't clean out lest you risk breaking installers and stuff.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> I had accumulated almost 5 GB of installer files in Windows--but I can't delete them, otherwise the bloody uninstallers fail.
[07:45] <SeveredCross> Whereas apt and dpkg just know exactly what every piece of software installs and how to remove it.
[07:45] <Karti> I have dipped into linux for a while and the support on the irc channels swung me, some of them can quite overwhealming
[07:45] <SeveredCross> Yeah, #ubuntu can be a beast to follow.
[07:47] <Karti> I can only do it on my PCs though as the wife refuses to change......ah well
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Why's she refuse?
[07:48] <Karti> Microsoft Chick...
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Argh. :-P
[07:49] <Karti> I actual;ly get the MS Action Pack that I use for work and the like so she has all the software available, so is unlikely to change
[07:49] <SeveredCross> Ah, okay.
[07:49] <Karti> though as I said she hates me for moxing to the 64 bit xp as her phone, webcam and ITUNES dont work that well
[07:50] <SeveredCross> Yeah, iTunes is busted.
[07:50] <SeveredCross> Dumdedum..
[07:50] <Karti> All the music she buys I can't even burn as it doesnt recognise her cdrom......had to install it on another pc just to get the stuff off!
[07:51] <SeveredCross> It doesn't recognize the CD drive? WTH??
[07:52] <Karti> YEAH THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES oops with it
[07:52] <Karti> if I could be bothered I would change it.....
[07:55] <Karti> SeveredCross: Many thanks for the help, I will try the 64 bit to see if it makes a difference after tea. I will mention it if I am sucessful....cheers
[07:58] <gnomefreak> guys for non gutsy topics please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:34] <XVampireX> Hi
[08:34] <XVampireX> Can anyone please help me? xorg says that nvidia.ko doesn't exist when I do startx ...
[08:34] <ccoffey> is there much work going on with dmraid and initramfs, or was most if resolved for feisty?
[08:35] <XVampireX> and I have linux-restricted-modules for the correct kernel and I have nvidia-kernel-common but I don't see one for the kernel I'm using (Or I'm just not aware of the one)
[08:36] <XVampireX> Please?
[08:36] <XVampireX> Or do I really need to just use feisty, cause even with feisty.... the nvidia-glx-new package is broken (lacking libwfb)
[08:38] <XVampireX> And I thought the new xorg was supposed to fix this problem, too...
[08:38] <XVampireX> No one is available here to help me?
[08:41] <XVampireX> ????????????????????????????????????
[08:41] <XVampireX> !help
[08:41] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:42] <XVampireX> !nvidia
[08:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <XVampireX> meh, brb
[08:46] <XVampireX> cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko
[08:48] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: you ever install the drivers from nvidia.com?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: i see that happens alot when the user doesnt get rid of all traces of the upstream drivers
[08:49] <XVampireX> Yes I did
[08:49] <XVampireX> what do I do then?
[08:50] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: use the nvidia script that you use to install it and uninstall it (there should be a flag to pass for that
[08:50] <XVampireX> Yeah but envy doesn't want to help me with gutsy
[08:51] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: envy == bad
[08:51] <XVampireX> I know
[08:51] <XVampireX> so what do I do then? :P
[08:51] <gnomefreak> if you used envy to install it good luck. iirc there is no uninstall options with envy
[08:51] <XVampireX> There is
[08:51] <gnomefreak> uninstall the drivers and l-r-m that it builds
[08:51] <XVampireX> just that it doesn't work on gutsy anymore
[08:51] <XVampireX> l-r-m?
[08:52] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: all it does it removes envy not ht econfig
[08:52] <gnomefreak> l-r-m linux-restricted-modules
[08:52] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: upstream package makes its own l-r-m and that is where you are running into issues
[08:53] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: nvidia.....run or sh script can uninstall everything that the script installs but envy cant (makes it worse than the upstream drivers)
[08:54] <XVampireX> I removed all linux-restricted-modules
[08:55] <XVampireX> should I remove all nvidia stuff from those places too, manually?
[08:58] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:/usr/lib$ locate 100.14.12
[08:58] <XVampireX> /var/cache/modass/_usr_src_nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic_100.14.12+2.6.20-16.29_i386.deb.txt
[08:58] <XVampireX> /var/cache/modass/_usr_src_nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic_100.14.12+2.6.22-8.18_i386.deb.txt
[08:58] <XVampireX> /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic_100.14.12+2.6.20-16.29_i386.deb
[08:58] <XVampireX> /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic_100.14.12+2.6.22-8.18_i386.deb
[08:59] <XVampireX> See, that's all I have of the version I installed
[08:59] <gnomefreak> get rid of it all and start over and hope all is ok
[08:59] <gnomefreak> you can leave the nvidia-kernel i think
[09:00] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: there is more you didnt find iirc
[09:00] <XVampireX> such as?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: with envy its hard to tell.
[09:01] <XVampireX> I looked in directories too
[09:01] <gnomefreak> if you just used the nvidia script i could look for it but i dont know exactly what envy does when it installs it other than builds the restricted-modules for your running kenrel
[09:02] <XVampireX> what nvidia script?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> than try removing those
[09:02] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: envy uses the script you get from nvidia.com to install the packages
[09:02] <gnomefreak> s/packages/drivers
[09:03] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: but envy's config is not the same (how it builds than im not sure) why they didnt make a remove restricted-modules flag is beyond me
[09:03] <XVampireX> They... hehe :P
[09:04] <XVampireX> He's supposed to be here somewhere actually
[09:09] <XVampireX> runtime Qt4.3 stuff is also buggy, the systray icon has some problems...
[09:13] <XVampireX> gnomefreak: Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic has no available version, but exists in the database
[09:17] <XVampireX> By the way, m-a ignores nvidia-new-kernel-source ....
[09:18] <gnomefreak> m-a?
[09:18] <XVampireX> module assistant
[09:21] <XVampireX> So what do I do now?
[09:21] <XVampireX> that linux-kernel thing doesn't want to install for some reason
[09:21] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: you should beable to remove everything nvidia related and install nvidia-glx(-new)(legacy) and make sure if restricted-manager gets removed install it again
[09:21] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: it wont install because its already there just not the one from ubuntu
[09:21] <XVampireX> ah okye
[09:21] <XVampireX> okey^
[09:22] <XVampireX> So what's the ubuntu version?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> dpkg -l nvidia should list everything, and have at it but normally its a pain to get rid of the n-r-m package thats why nvidia added an --uninstall flag
[09:23] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:~$ dpkg -l nvidia
[09:23] <XVampireX> No packages found matching nvidia.
[09:24] <gnomefreak> nvidia-kernel-common maybe?
[09:24] <XVampireX> I saw that it's a very old version...
[09:24] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: damn thats because its not installed as a package
[09:24] <gnomefreak> maybe find or locate |less
[09:25] <XVampireX> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic.postrm
[09:25] <XVampireX> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic.list
[09:25] <XVampireX> I installed it...
[09:25] <XVampireX> I mean I installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-8-generic
[09:26] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: and you are getting that error?
[09:26] <XVampireX> yes
[09:26] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: try removing --purgeing it
[09:26] <XVampireX> I tried it several times...
[09:27] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: due you have envy source?
[09:27] <XVampireX> Not really
[09:27] <gnomefreak> do they give you source freely?
[09:28] <XVampireX> who's they?
[09:28] <XVampireX> I know this guy made it: http://albertomilone.com
[09:28] <gnomefreak> the envy people
[09:28] <gnomefreak> hmmm i think i know him atleeast that name brb
[09:28] <XVampireX> only one
[09:30] <XVampireX> hmm, brb, myself
[09:30] <gnomefreak> NOTE: Envy does NOT REMOVE your RESTRICTED MODULES ANY MORE.
[09:30] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[09:31] <crdlb> err I thought it did the DISABLED_MODULES="nv" thing
[09:31] <gnomefreak> i havent found source yet
[09:33] <crdlb> gnomefreak, as in source code?
[09:33] <crdlb> it's python iirc
[09:33] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:33] <gnomefreak> might not have to
[09:33] <gnomefreak> i found it but may not need to look at it :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/envy/+bug/119568
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119568 in envy "envy collides with nvidia-new-kernel-source " [Undecided,New]
[09:35] <XVampireX> I got it to work :P
[09:35] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: theres a bug on the exact issue
[09:36] <gnomefreak> please comment on bug on how you got it to work ill ping him monday if i still have a pc up and running and ask him to find a way to flag --uninstall back to it
[09:37] <XVampireX> Just freaked out and it worked, really... :) Nah, Well, I don't really know how I got it to work but I did reinstall nvidia stuff several times
[09:38] <gnomefreak> ok out for a while still packaing
[09:38] <gnomefreak> packing
[09:44] <nysosym> hi there
[09:44] <nysosym> has anyone tested one of the last gutsy dailies on a macbook ?
[09:56] <XVampireX> http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7713/qt44bughr4.png
[09:56] <XVampireX> notice the star (It's psi) I compiled with Qt4.3 in gutsy
[09:58] <burner_> anyone else super super thankful for evolution email that kicks major arse as of 2.11.5 :)
[09:58] <burner_> it is sooooooo much faster when used with exchange servers now
[10:05] <Karti> SeveredCross: Just to get back to you, the 64 bit AMD iso worked perfectly!
[10:06] <Karti> SeveredCross: and it picked up my wireless perfectly
[10:12] <sn0> nice Karti :)
[10:12] <DanaG> Is anybody else here using compiz (-fusion) ?
[10:13] <DanaG> I've found the official version to be very slow, for some reason.
[10:13] <thully> I want to run gutsy on my machine (actually, already am) but want to take a few precautions to make it easier to recover from breakage...  What would be suggested?  I thought of using LVM snapshots, but I'm unsure how to get started with that...
[10:15] <sn0> thully virtual machine? its not quite the same as a physical install, but its one option
[10:15] <mon^rch> is gutsy using compiz fusion yet?
[10:15] <sn0> if its for testing, then you could just keep the /home partition on another physical partition than / and do backups regularly
[10:16] <sn0> did you read that snapshots_backup link ? :)
[10:16] <thully> sn0: I'd prefer testing on the bare metal - there's some hardware-specific issues I'd like to work on - and I'd like to use Compiz Fusion...
[10:16] <sn0> thully indeed :)
[10:19] <thully> It's for testing, but I'd probably use it 80% of the time or so... I may actually want to help fix some of these bugs and maybe even do MOTU down the road...
[10:20] <thully> yes - I did - I'd just prefer not to have to make the actual backup and just use the snapshots as-is (make one, and revert to it with a few commands)
[10:20] <sn0> thully have you heard of 'unionfs' before?
[10:20] <thully> that's what is used on the live CD...
[10:20] <sn0> yep, its another option you could use
[10:21] <sn0> personally i just back up the list of installed packages with dpkg and my configs, everything else backed up on another partition
[10:21] <sn0> haven't really tried snapshots yet
[10:21] <sn0> lvm does sound like the thing you require :)
[10:22] <thully> I just have to figure out how to use it - I know you can create a snapshot and boot it, but not how to directly revert the main partition to the snapshot
[10:23] <sn0> howtoforge have a 'guide' on setting it up and so on
[10:23] <thully> I will search - I'm actually messing around with LVM to find the right way of doing this...
[10:23] <sn0> includes how to restore from a backup (from lvm beginner guide), it does mention debian but it could be used for gutsy too
[10:23] <sn0> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm_snapshots
[10:24] <thully> I even thought of doing a chroot from feisty, but gutsy supports my hardware (a MacBook) much better than Feisty
[10:25] <thully> works better than Windows (even with Apple's Boot Camp drivers) and second only to Mac OS X
[10:28] <akos> s there a way to do something like this: copy the installation ISO to an empty hdd partition, boot from it and install? i'd do the usb-install, but i don't have enought space on it to copy the whole cd, and i don't have internet during install due to the fact that i need the atl1 drivers...
[10:28] <DanaG> One big reason for me using Linux more than Windows:
[10:28] <akos> DanaG, 10x more responsive?
[10:29] <DanaG> The font rendering in Windows makes my eyes become bloodshot after a short time.
[10:29] <akos> Is there a way to do something like this: copy the installation ISO to an empty hdd partition, boot from it and install? i'd do the usb-install, but i don't have enought space on it to copy the whole cd, and i don't have internet during install due to the fact that i need the atl1 drivers...
[10:29] <DanaG> In Linux, it takes a reeeeeeeeeeally long time for that to happen -- in other words, the font rendering is much better.
[10:29] <DanaG> akos: The alternate CD may let you use the ISO as the "Detect and mount CD"
[10:30] <DanaG> but I don't remember how.
[10:30] <akos> DanaG, huh?
[10:30] <akos> oh.. :|
[10:31] <sn0> akos yes
[10:31] <sn0> search the ubuntu wiki/forums for hd install
[10:31] <akos> ok
[10:34] <akos> sn0, i cant find it... i tried searching hd install and ubuntu hdd install, but nothing relevant
[10:36] <sn0> akos something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies (uses floppies to start)
[10:49] <XVampireX> my other 3 cpu's disappeared :P
[10:52] <DanaG> Eeek, I found an instantly reproducible X crash:
[10:52] <DanaG> Have caca-utils installed, and run CACA_DRIVER=gl cacafire -- and watch X die   At least with NVIDIA, that is.
[11:04] <vinny> so, anyone else had their system rendered basicly usless from the latest update
[11:05] <vinny> no sound, oss alsa, both broken. window manager is b
[11:05] <vinny> borked, have to use metacity
[11:06] <vinny> something in there is wrong anyway :)
[11:06] <vinny> wireless network still works tho!
[11:06] <vinny> heheheh
[11:09] <xarus> did any of you experience some strange problems with compiz-fusion since last dist-upgrade @ gutsy?
[11:09] <xarus> segmentation faults ?
[11:09] <xarus> unable to start? [driver: nvidia-glx]
[11:10] <xarus> beryl works fine
[11:19] <vinny> compiz fusion is completely butchered for me
[11:19] <vinny> as is sound
[11:20] <vinny> trying to fix it all now
[11:20] <xarus> ;)
[11:22] <vinny> xarus you t
[11:22] <vinny> rying to
[11:22] <vinny> use emerald with compiz fusion
[11:22] <xarus> yes
[11:22] <vinny> sorry it appears my keymap has been buggered up too
[11:22] <xarus> and it worked till yesterday
[11:22] <vinny> :$
[11:23] <vinny> i was jsut installing jack audio routing
[11:23] <vinny> and i triggered an update
[11:23] <vinny> and let it run
[11:23] <vinny> and poof
[11:23] <vinny> byebye audio, byebye emerald
[11:23] <vinny> :(
[11:23] <xarus> gutsy - deveoper's release
[11:23] <vinny> new kermelversion is prolly part of the issue
[11:23] <vinny> i think i saw a kernelupgrade in there
[11:23] <xarus> you should've been expecting that
[11:24] <vinny> well yes but theres hardly any point in having a discussion chanel if someones going to say that everytime anyone encounters a problem
[11:25] <DanaG> A bunch of my panel applets have broken, somehow.
[11:25] <vinny> i mean hey, look at me, im in ubuntuplus1 "oh well its a dev release, of coiurse its broken"
[11:25] <vinny> ....
[11:25] <xarus> yeah, you have a point here
[11:25] <DanaG> They work, until when I have to kill X for various reasons.
[11:25] <thully> does anyone know how to get the Cube working on Compiz Fusion in Gutsy?
[11:26] <vinny> yes
[11:26] <vinny> ill tell you<DanaG> They work, until when I have to kill X for various reasons.
[11:26] <xarus> thully: enable 'cube' plugin?
[11:26] <vinny>  when i figure out how to get compiz-fusion working again
[11:26] <xarus> and when you figure out that please share with me.
[11:26] <xarus>  ] ;->
[11:26] <vinny> ok looks like fuision basic works
[11:26] <vinny> without emerald
[11:26] <thully> how do you do that?  it's not enabled by default...
[11:26] <DanaG> I've just reverted to the 3v1n0 feisty repo, but I have to forbid newer official versions.
[11:27] <xarus> vinny: let's try it
[11:27] <xarus> /usr/bin/compiz: line 252:  6666 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/compiz.real $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS
[11:27] <vinny> hmm
[11:28] <vinny> dana
[11:28] <vinny> you/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Plugin 'cube' can't be activated because plugin 'plane' is already providing feature 'largedesktop'
[11:28] <vinny> Initializing scale options...done
[11:28] <vinny> Initializing switcher options...done
[11:28] <vinny> Active Plugin List update
[11:29] <vinny>  running latest
[11:29] <vinny> ?
[11:29] <vinny> damm my keymap
[11:29] <vinny> sorry
[11:30] <vinny> wb
[11:30] <xarus> re
[11:30] <vinny> im tempted to
[11:31] <vinny> try tervinos feisty
[11:31] <xarus> what's that?
[11:31] <vinny> but i suspect some plugins wont work
[11:31] <crdlb> that's a bad idea
[11:31] <vinny> yeah.
[11:31] <vinny> i know :)
[11:31] <vinny> lol
[11:31] <crdlb> vinny, uncheck plane?
[11:31] <crdlb> in ccsm
[11:32] <vinny> lol i dont have ccsm any more
[11:33] <vinny> *trying gnome-compiz-manager
[11:34] <vinny> *crash
[11:34] <vinny> i think ill just go away and play and come back when i have figured it o<xarus> what's that?
[11:34] <vinny> ut
[11:34] <xarus> gn8
[11:50] <vinny> ok so im sick of things breaking all the time
[11:50] <vinny> if i change my apt-sources to feisty and dist-upgreade
[11:50] <vinny> will it revert me to feisty?
[11:52] <thully> you don't want to do it - downgrades aren't a supported feature...  There isn't a "dist-downgrade" command, and trying to do it manually will result in more breakage than gutsy had in the first place
[11:56] <thully> I've been going back and forth myself - I need some gutsy features for my MacBook (suspend-to-RAM and better power management, among others)
[11:56] <vinny> yeah
[11:56] <vinny> i to am on a macbook
[11:58] <thully> I've tried running in a virtual machine (actually VMware Fusion on OS X), but then you don't get the 3D-ness...
[11:58] <vinny> so
[11:58] <vinny> noob question here
[11:58] <vinny> i chacn
[11:59] <vinny> changed my apt-sources to feisty, but a dist-upgrade does nothing
[11:59] <vinny> i want to downgrade from gutsy
[11:59] <vinny> what am i doing wrong?
[11:59] <vinny> i did a apt-get -f update
[11:59] <thully> that's because you can't downgrade with apt - the only way is back up, format, restore
[11:59] <vinny> oh
[11:59] <vinny> :(
[12:00] <vinny> *goes to download feisty iso
[12:00] <vinny> linux is tempermental enough without with apt - the only way is back
[12:00] <vinny>           up, format, restore
[12:00] <vinny> wtf
[12:00] <vinny> i dont understand why it keeps doing that
[12:02] <arpu> hi @all
[12:03] <arpu>  i have aproblem with gutsy and wlan on my new macbook
[12:03] <arpu> how can i install wlan ?
[12:03] <thully> OK - you probably need the latest svn release of madwifi
[12:04] <arpu> thully : ok the included driver do not   work ?
[12:04] <thully> yes - it's too old...
[12:05] <thully> I think even on Gutsy, as I don't know if they're pulling the SVN or the release
[12:05] <thully> I dunno myself, because I have an older MacBook that works out of the box (it only has the chipset with b/g, and not n)
[12:06] <thully> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[12:08] <arpu> thx thully i give it a try
[12:18] <arpu> thully, thx with svn madwifi all works fine
[12:18] <arpu> bye
[12:32] <Vorbote> /who buckaroobanzai
[12:32] <Vorbote> /w


[03:41] <JoseeAntonioR> philipballew__ what's on with your normal nick?
[04:08] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: Hey, just wanted to know who's the Americas Membership Board secretary, and if I can be one one day :)
[04:21] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: we don't have a single secretary, we rotate the position each meeting
[04:21] <pleia2> and you can be if you get appointed to the board :)
[04:21] <JoseeAntonioR> do you have one for the next meeting?
[04:21] <JoseeAntonioR> how do I do that? :P
[04:24] <bkerensa> pleia2: I imagine the CC decides on that? ^
[04:24] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: the community council does a call to the community every time spots on the board open up, people nominate themselves and then the CC selects a few individuals to serve on the board
[04:25] <JoseeAntonioR> great, I'll wait for one of those miraclous calls :D
[04:25] <pleia2> there are several board members expiring in May, so a call will go out some time next month
[04:25] <JoseeAntonioR> that's perfect
[04:26] <pleia2> (my position will be up for grabs, I'm not reapplying)
[04:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: I dont blame you :P
[04:26] <JoseeAntonioR> ow :(
[04:26] <pleia2> I've been on it since the boards were created, 4 years
[04:26] <bkerensa> :D
[04:26] <pleia2> time to give someone else a chance :)
[04:26] <bkerensa> oy vay
[04:26] <JoseeAntonioR> wooooow
[04:27] <JoseeAntonioR> but you're still on the community council
[04:27] <JoseeAntonioR> or team?
[04:27] <pleia2> yeah
[04:28] <pleia2> adding http://chrisjohnston.org/ubuntu/the-summit-scheduler-a-call-for-testing to the fridge by request of the team, it's important for UDS so I figured appropriate
[04:31] <JoseeAntonioR> :)
[04:33] <JoseeAntonioR> i'll give it a test tomorrow
[04:33] <JoseeAntonioR> I gotta go, it's late for me and I have to go to school tomorrow
[04:36] <pleia2> have a good night
[05:52] <JoseeAntonioR> I'm back for a few minutes, Spanish translations will start tomorrow in the afternoon
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning


[00:14] <echidnaman> yo
[00:14] <Riddell> it's my very favourite antipodaean hedgehog
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> So, sup?
[00:15] <Riddell> RC testing waiting on new images
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> nice, nice
[00:15] <Riddell> translations importing still ongoing
[00:15]  * JontheEchidna hopes adept bugs aren't in too bad of a shape
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: haha, so the favorites problem was because of a patch
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> big suprise
[00:21] <apachelogger> just like I said
[00:21]  * JontheEchidna wonders if his brother applied any updates while he was away... probably not
[00:21] <apachelogger> but this apachelogger fool didn't strace kbuildsycoca4 earlier and thus always looked at the wrong patches
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> heh
[00:22] <Czessi> morning :.-)
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> looks like I missed a good meeting :(
[00:22] <a|wen> hi Czessi
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: congrats on membership though :)
[00:24] <a|wen> thx JontheEchidna :)
[00:26] <Czessi> Hi a|wen
[00:30]  * a|wen wonders who broke kdepim 3.5.10 so badly in all the cornercases
[00:30] <Czessi> i'm too busy the last time. i've installed intrepid some days ago on my msi notebook and i've still some problems with bluetooth. is this problem known (kbluetooth chrashed)?
[00:32] <a|wen> Czessi: there was a lot of talk lately about bluetooth beeing completely broken ... actually don't know if anybody managed to fix it
[00:38] <Czessi> a|wen: thanks for this information. i've  backport the bluetooth packages to hardy and have still some problems too.
[00:40] <a|wen> Czessi: bluetooth works fine for me in hardy
[00:43] <Czessi> a|wen: for me too, but not the kde4 backported  stuff
[00:44] <a|wen> oh ... that i know nothing about
[01:42] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, skim make scim-bridge unusable in kde4 by now
[01:52] <apachelogger> freeflying: there ain't is no skim for KDE 4
[01:53] <apachelogger> freeflying: how would skim interfere with scim-bridge anyway?
[01:54] <freeflying> apachelogger: seems the scim-panel-kde
[01:54] <apachelogger> hm
[01:55] <apachelogger> I wondered today wy we have that in the default install
[01:55] <freeflying> apachelogger: skim?
[01:55] <apachelogger> I figured it might make sense for the few KDE 3 apps we have left
[01:55] <apachelogger> freeflying: yes
[01:55] <freeflying> apachelogger: yes, its make no sense for kde4
[01:55] <apachelogger> well, amarok for example is still at KDE 3
[01:55] <apachelogger> same for digikam
[01:56] <freeflying> apachelogger: skim is just thekde front end of scim
[01:57] <apachelogger> freeflying: so it would work as well without skim?
[01:57] <freeflying> apachelogger: sure
[01:58] <freeflying> apachelogger: and with gtk-qt-engine-kde4, users may not know scim is a gtk stuff :)
[02:00]  * apachelogger falls off his chair because drunk quite an amount of rum
[02:01] <apachelogger> I seriously shouldn't do conversation when I am unsober
[02:01] <apachelogger> freeflying, Riddell: anywho, I think we should remove skim
[02:01] <apachelogger> it didn't look too nice too me earlier
[02:02] <apachelogger> the fact that there is no KDE 4 frontend (released, or in a RCS) doesn't make it any better IMHO
[03:01] <jjesse> grumble updated my kubuntu install and can't connect to the wireless anymore
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know how to disable tap-touchpad-to-click with Intrepid?
[03:03] <vorian> isn't it in keyboard settings
[03:03] <vorian> prefs
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> my dad couldn't find it...
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> tapping always initiates a double click and it's driving him crazy
[03:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for finding the Ark patch.  Now can you make it work if I click on a diff.gz in Launchpad using Konqueror?
[03:38] <rgreening> hey jtechidna
[03:38] <ScottK> rgreening: I didn't have scrollback when I was here earlier from my phone.  Thanks for looking into it.
[03:39] <rgreening> np. I figured out it wasnt getting to the plugin... apachelogger found why
[03:39] <rgreening> :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> a surprising number of people still want kde3 for intrepid
[04:15] <jjesse> been reading kubuntu-users lately?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> no
[04:16] <Hobbsee> i only read the bits that fall in the moderation queueu
[04:16] <jjesse> it seems like all they talk about that mailing list
[04:16] <jjesse> how much they hate kde4 and then they never want to contribute to make it "better"
[04:18] <Hobbsee> of course htey don't - they're users, and just want to whine
[04:18] <yuriy> start a kubuntu-whiners ml
[04:19] <jjesse> that's pretty much all that they do
[04:20] <rgreening> lol
[04:21] <rgreening> I hated KDE 4.0 as it was really feature lacking.
[04:24] <rgreening> I didn't want to throw stones in a glass house (as it were)
[04:25] <ScottK> Fortunately none of the whiners seem to have found my blog post from today.
[04:26] <ScottK> I got some "Does this work" questions, but that's it.
[04:27] <rgreening> heh
[04:28] <jjesse> i should post on the kubuntu users mailing list then
[04:28] <jjesse> i stoped responding "if you don't like it so much have made any suggestions to improve it or write code to get improved"
[04:28] <rgreening> Well, with Hardy backports, they can keep KDE 3.5 for a while yet...
[04:28] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Except 3.5.10 is in -updates now.
[04:29] <ScottK> No need for backports.
[04:29] <rgreening> you know what I mean hehe
[04:30] <ScottK> There's no reason I want fgrlx-modaliases on a box with Intel graphics, right?
[04:31] <rgreening> hmm... no dun believe so...
[04:35]  * ScottK ponders moving the laptop over by the 17 year old's bedroom door (she went to be a long time ago) and playing fretsonfire.
[04:35] <rgreening> lol
[04:44]  * rgreening needs to update python plasma from trunk...
[07:48] <superm1> Hi kids, could someone using KDM comment about the directories used for auth files?
[07:48] <superm1> do they actually end up in /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/* or somewhere else?
[08:29] <jussi01> Morning all!
[08:44] <metellius> apachelogger: yes, I noticed it
[08:44] <metellius> thumbs up
[09:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hah.  I'll have to try it, with the iso testing
[10:37] <Riddell>  < slangasek> Riddell: kubuntu alternate and desktop are all updated and eager for testing
[10:37] <Riddell> get testing folks!
[10:45] <Riddell> ah, Tonio_, just the man for some CD testing :)
[10:52] <davmor2> don't call you subtle Riddell for nothing then ;)
[10:58] <Riddell> anyone fancy doing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu ?
[11:02] <kwwii> Riddell: clicked on link, nothing happens
[11:08] <kwwii> hrm, the usplash gets a different resolution as the ubuntu images from yesterday
[11:08] <kwwii> ubuntu looked good and kubuntu is huge and scaled
[11:08] <Riddell> kwwii: the wiki page?  that's because someone needs to create it
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: I need to file a bug about the install window on the live cd, which package is that?
[11:15] <Riddell> kwwii: ubiquity
[11:15] <Riddell> kwwii: what's the bug?
[11:16] <kwwii> Riddell: the Release Notes link cut off (bottom half not visible)
[11:16] <Riddell> kwwii: I've fixed than in bzr
[11:16] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, then there is no need to file a bug then :-)
[11:29] <kwwii> ouch...Xsession: unable to launch failsafe X session --- x-terminal-emulator not found; aborting
[11:30] <kwwii> Riddell: it appears that kde was not selected after first reboot
[11:49] <seaLne> weird after updating and rebooting this morning kdm login was on the left head and the run command appears on the left aswell now, previously they were on the right head
[11:51] <seaLne> the fun unpredictability continues ;)
[11:51] <jussi01> seaLne: which graphics card do you have?
[11:51] <seaLne> ati
[11:52] <jussi01> hrm, I had preference for my dvi on my nvidia - it should clone IMHO
[11:53] <kwwii> Riddell: I made a bug for kdm-kde4, hope that is the correct package
[11:53] <seaLne> for intrepid wouldn't it just be kdm?
[11:59] <Arby> kwwii: I had something similar, do your symptoms resemble bug 281950 at all?
[12:03] <kwwii> Arby: no, for me kdm starts fine, but after I type username and password I get an ugly X error message saying the Xsession failed...when I look at the session menu nothing is selected...selecting kde then makes everything work
[12:03] <Arby> hmm, so slightly different bugs with the same work around
[12:03] <seaLne> kwwii: encrypted /home?
[12:04] <kwwii> seaLne: nope
[12:04] <seaLne> Riddell: to confirm the rc wiki page dosen't seem to exist
[12:04] <kwwii> wierd, when I log out and go back to kdm nothing looks selected in the session menu but it does add "previous" to kde and starts fine
[12:05] <Riddell> seaLne: I know, I was requesting someone made it :)
[12:05] <seaLne> ah :P
[12:10] <apachelogger> kwwii: known glitch
[12:11] <kwwii> apachelogger: well, now there is a bug for it :-)
[12:11] <apachelogger> oh, where?
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/bugs/287488
[12:12] <apachelogger> nicey
[12:13] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[12:14] <apachelogger> kwwii, Riddell: the 'after installation' part is a bit puzzling
[12:14] <apachelogger> I did about 10 installations within the last couple of days and never faced that issue
[12:17] <kwwii> apachelogger: did you format the drive? ie is it getting that setting from some previous installation?
[12:18] <apachelogger> kwwii: no, completely formatted drive
[12:18] <kwwii> apachelogger: hrm, freaky...I think I will install again and see if it happens again
[12:18] <apachelogger> k
[12:19] <Riddell> kwwii: you previously had kde 4 from hardy on that machine?
[12:19] <kwwii> Riddell: no, it had an ubuntu install from yesterdays daily
[12:20] <Riddell> hmm, so maybe it's trying to start gnome and failing
[12:21] <Riddell> it really should do that warning though
[12:23] <kwwii> Riddell: the thing is, why doesn't it start some failsafe system?
[12:23] <seaLne> its not designed to?
[12:24] <Riddell> that would be too clever
[12:24] <kwwii> seaLne: erm, so if kde doesn't start you shouldn't be able to use your computer at all?
[12:25] <kwwii> but anyway
[12:25] <seaLne> should kget leave its icon in the middle of my screen while running? not realy played with it before
[12:26] <Riddell> seaLne: yeah, there's a reason we don't have kget on the CDs
[12:26] <seaLne> kwwii: i was just sugesting why it dosen't not saying that in all circumstances it was good
[12:26] <kwwii> you know, it is kinda hard to test kde4 for bugs...there are so many little things wrong
[12:26] <Riddell> it has the weirdest UI
[12:26] <kwwii> seaLne: yeah, I understand
[12:28] <kwwii> like clicking in the menu to logout, getting the logging out window, clicking on logout to do it immediately, returning to the desktop and then after a few seconds loging out, same thing with shutdown
[12:29] <seaLne> the returning to the desktop i find more confusing than being asked to confirm
[12:30]  * supert0nes loves the new adept, but will like it even more when it uses the extenders notifications
[12:30] <Riddell> supert0nes: hugs go to mornfall
[12:30] <Riddell> supert0nes: extenders notifications?
[12:31] <supert0nes> i just read a blog about them on planet
[12:32] <apachelogger> kwwii: it would eventually start the failsafe session, but Riddell didn't allow me to add the failsafe's deps to kubuntu-desktop :P
[12:32] <supert0nes> ahh yes aseigo posted something. very nice notification system
[12:34] <kwwii> Riddell: so I can confirm that on a clean formated install this does *not* happen
[12:34] <kwwii> kdm works fine, the desktop starts, etc
[12:35] <apachelogger> it woudl have been nice to know what the actual .dmrc entry was when it didn't login
[12:36] <kwwii> apachelogger: yes, that probably would have been good :p
[12:37] <kwwii> apachelogger: now that I look at it again...there was a gnome entry before and now there is not
[12:38] <Arby> apachelogger: I did my upgrade in a VM, I could revert to previous snapshot and try again if that's useful
[12:40] <kwwii> shouldn't konqueror open to a size in which the whole start page is shown without scrolling?
[12:40] <Riddell> seele is the dudette for default window sizes
[12:41] <kwwii> ahhh, so the size is simply set somewhere...ie there is no logic behind it
[12:42] <kwwii> erm, not saying that women do not use logic
[12:42] <Riddell> Description=Konqueror initial default size
[12:42] <Riddell> size=750,560
[12:43] <Riddell> of course it might depend on your font settings, which might depend on your monitor
[12:43] <apachelogger> kwwii: would be very helpful, if an entry is not valid KDM would show http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot175.png so this issue is kind of weird
[12:44] <kwwii> apachelogger: totally agree. in addition it would be nice if the selected option showed up as selected
[12:45] <kwwii> all radio buttons are empty every time I start kdm, even if something is selected
[12:46] <kwwii> but when I click on a selection it then shows as selected
[12:54] <seele> kwwii:i actually made the konq size a little bigger than the programmed default but it still seems to be too small for some screens.  The font wraps weird and not all the boxes show up
[12:55] <seele> kwwii: the problem with 800,600 is that is too big for eees :(
[12:55] <seele> we should probably think about two different configs for mobile vs desktop
[12:57] <kwwii> seele: in my case the start page gets cut in half...not the best representation but I understand the problem
[12:57] <kwwii> on an eee it should probably just have a smaller formated start page or some logic to make things work better
[12:57] <seele> hum.. that shouldnt be the case at all.. can you send me a screenshot?
[12:57] <kwwii> sure, one second
[13:01] <kwwii> well, it is no exactly cut in half, I take that back...http://sinecera.de/screen.png
[13:01] <kwwii> stil ugly though
[13:03] <seele> yeah, i'ts not 600 in height :-/
[13:04] <seele> kwwii: if you think it is a big deal we might be able to change it to 600 since it is one little option
[13:04] <seele> Riddell: ^?
[13:05] <seele> uh..
[13:08] <seele> hmm
[13:19] <apachelogger> oh my, it is capslockday again
[13:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: PLING
[13:22] <kwwii> seele: my guess is that it is too late for changes like that
[13:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: PLONG
[13:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: YOU ARE ON INTREPID?
[13:23] <Nightrose> NOPE HONEY
[13:23] <apachelogger> :(
[13:23]  * apachelogger COULD USE HIS VM
[13:24] <mornfall> w.t.f.
[13:24] <jussi01> apachelogger: IS THERE SOMETHING YOU NEED TESTED THAT I CAN HELP WITH?
[13:24] <kwwii> apachelogger: is there something I can test for you?
[13:24] <jussi01> :P
[13:24] <mornfall> -->
[13:24] <mornfall> : - P
[13:24] <apachelogger> AMAROK-NIGHTLY NEEDS TESTING, AND MY MACHINE IS PRETTY BUSY BUILDING KDE-NIGHTLY RIGHT NOW
[13:29] <Nightrose> apachelogger: are you aware that kde.nightly on hardy currently has update problems?
[13:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: HOW SO?
[13:29] <Nightrose> SEC ;-)
[13:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/m3818d7f3
[13:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: JUST TRY AGAIN, APPARENTLY THE FILE WAS MOVED AROUND
[13:30] <Nightrose> try again what?
[13:30] <apachelogger> UPGRADING
[13:31] <Nightrose> i did
[13:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: OR TRY DIST-UPGRADE
[13:31] <Nightrose> k
[13:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is your shift key broken?
[13:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://capslockday.com/
[13:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: doesn't help
[13:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: TWICE
[13:32] <jussi01> !caps
[13:32] <jussi01> :P
[13:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: still
[13:32] <apachelogger> HM
[13:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I LAUNCH A REBUILD, IF IT DOESN'T WORK AFTER THAT, SOMEONE DIDN'T REMOVE THE FILE AFTER MOVING
[13:33] <Nightrose> alright
[13:33] <ScottK> Arrrr. I'd rather me be talking like a pirate.
[13:33] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:34] <apachelogger> <3 TALK LIKE A PIRATE DAY
[13:47] <Riddell> davmor2: wubi installs work for you in kubuntu?  you get ubiquity showing up on reboot?
[13:47] <davmor2> Riddell: yeap
[13:48] <davmor2> it takes a while but it shows up in the end :)
[13:58] <jtechidna> apachelogger: HAI2U, AND GOOD MORNING
[13:58] <apachelogger> HOLA JontheEchidna
[13:59]  * JontheEchidna WONDERS
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> !caps
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> \O/
[14:09] <rgreening> g'day
[14:18] <Riddell> good morning rgreening
[14:19] <rgreening> :) how are thou Riddell
[14:19] <Riddell> spacious, my lodgers have moved out
[14:20] <rgreening> ah.. room to grow
[14:21] <rgreening> what's on todays radar that I can help with?
[14:21] <ScottK> ISO testing
[14:23] <rgreening> I need a new computer... so I can keep one for mucking around with
[14:23] <Riddell> you can try virtualbox or the like
[14:24] <ScottK> Plus there are Live CD test cases too.
[14:24] <rgreening> I have vbox and tested intrepid with it. seemed fine
[14:24] <rgreening> ScottK: ok, point me to them
[14:24] <rgreening> Riddell: I assume a vbox install of hardy and up to intrepid would be useful then too
[14:25] <Riddell> rgreening: certainly would
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: how should I up in hardy then, via adept release upgrade or launch from iso or something
[14:26] <Riddell> rgreening: follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:26] <ScottK> Riddell: It'd be handy to have the link to the iso tracker in /topic
[14:27] <Riddell> ScottK: go for it
[14:27] <rgreening> ty
[14:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Right.  Then I'd have to find it.
[14:27] <ScottK> OK.  In a moment.
[14:27]  * rgreening loads vbox with hardy
[14:43] <rgreening> hey claydoh
[14:43] <claydoh> hi rgreening
[14:43] <rgreening> you still looking at a FAQ for Kubuntu KDE4 users.... want some assistance...
[14:44] <claydoh> yes,will get mor typed and posted somewhere today i have some partial stuff typed out,
[14:44] <rgreening> ok, let me know. I'll help fill in the gaps :)
[14:44]  * claydoh hates his 12+hour days at work
[14:45] <claydoh> ok and thanks!
[14:45] <rgreening> np
[14:45] <rgreening> ~np
[14:45] <kubotu> rgreening listened to "Flawless (Go to the City)" by George Michael [Patience, 2004] 17 hours ago
[14:45] <rgreening> omg... oops
[14:45] <claydoh> ?
[14:46] <claydoh> :)
[14:47]  * rgreening must remember to turn of random song selections
[14:47] <claydoh> nothing wrong with that ;)
[14:48] <claydoh> how cold is it up in your area,m rgreening?
[14:48] <claydoh> we have our first snow threat here in MAine
[14:49] <rgreening> haha... you had snow before I did
[14:49] <rgreening> :)
[14:49] <rgreening> It's quite mild today
[14:49] <claydoh> no, just the threat here rain instead
[14:49] <ScottK> claydoh: Where in Maine?
[14:49] <rgreening> hrm... here's hoping we can hold it off
[14:49] <claydoh> Bangor, Brewer actually
[14:50] <rgreening> I was in Bangor last year... well drove through... on the way to Kittery
[14:50] <ScottK> Ah.  I've spent winters in Bath and Portland.
[14:50] <rgreening> Maine is beautiful
[14:50] <claydoh> ScottK: well tha's just northern Mass anyway :)
[14:53] <ScottK> Well I've also spent a winter in Iceland and it was far colder in Maine.
[14:57] <Riddell> 14:52 < pitti> Kubuntu DVD images available on cdimage and ISO tracker
[15:03] <ScottK> Debian Bug 503095 only affects making updated translations, not using ones we have, right?
[15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just had the kdm problem on an upgrade from kde 4 hardy
[15:09] <Riddell> .dmrc had Session=default
[15:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: upgraded from a stock KDE 4 installation?
[15:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: For Jaunty should we have a spec on Akonadi integration?  How much do we want?  Do we want it by default?  ...
[15:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: that depends in every single aspect on upstream
[15:47] <apachelogger> not much choice we have there, if KDE decides akonadi integration is stable/usable enough for 4.2 then the legacy stuff will only be supported through akonadi
[15:47] <ScottK> OK.
[15:47] <ScottK> Urgh.
[15:48]  * ScottK is not looking forward to the day his mail gets stuffed in some opaque file structure.
[15:48] <apachelogger> dbs > file :P
[15:48] <ScottK> I can't grep that.
[15:48] <apachelogger> you can query it
[15:48] <ScottK> And yes, I do use grep on may maildirs
[15:48] <apachelogger> in any case it should be more reliable than the old scheme
[15:49] <jcastro> I am looking for Kubuntu sessions for openweek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[15:49] <jcastro> holler at me if you have questions!
[15:49]  * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna could do a session
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> maybeh
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> so do we want a general "LOL HALP US" type session?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> or maybe something a bit more interesting...
[15:52] <apachelogger> <3 interesting
[15:53] <jcastro> yeah, something interesting, I'm trying to shake it up to make the sessions more unique
[15:53]  * JontheEchidna thinks about it for a bit
[15:53] <jcastro> instead of rehashes from the last time
[15:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: "Why Kubuntu's KDE release handling is superior to any other" :P
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> "lol we are awesome, the end"
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> *cue awesomeness wallpaper
[15:56] <rgreening> I may be interested in presenting something... but I need to think on it... get some ideas
[15:57] <ScottK> rgreening: Usability feautres for the elderly?
[15:57] <rgreening> codine for coders
[15:57] <apachelogger> <3 codeine
[15:57]  * rgreening can't spell
[15:58] <apachelogger> though it had rendering glitches
[15:58]  * apachelogger is one package away from a KDE trunk desktop :D
[15:58] <rgreening> kool
[15:58]  * rgreening is updating plasma python... maybe fixed the example...
[16:01] <apachelogger> i386 build of kde-nightly-kdebase 20081022+svn874850-0neon1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE
[16:01] <apachelogger>  Build started 1 minute ago on iridium (virtual)
[16:02] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:05] <rgreening> hehe
[16:09] <freeflying> apachelogger: how many kde3 applications do we have in kubuntu intrepid?
[16:10] <supert0ne1> rgreening: that example worked for me the clock
[16:10] <apachelogger> freeflying: apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2a
[16:10] <rgreening> supert0ne1: ?
[16:11] <rgreening> supert0ne1: but the hands/time isn't, right?
[16:11] <supert0ne1> oh
[16:11] <rgreening> cuase I commented out the dataengine
[16:11] <supert0ne1> i guess i didn't look that far into it
[16:11] <rgreening> s/cuase/cause
[16:11] <rgreening> ok...
[16:11] <rgreening> hehe
[16:11] <supert0ne1> so thats why it runs now
[16:11] <supert0ne1> heh
[16:11] <rgreening> :)
[16:12] <rgreening> I have an update for the package. building it now
[16:12] <rgreening> so, I may have a 10% working clock soonish
[16:12] <rgreening> s/10/100
[16:12] <rgreening> lol
[16:35] <davmor2> Riddell: around
[16:35] <nixternal> OK, I don't think the issue I am seeing is 100% X, I think krandr is the issue and it is a pita to figure out
[16:36] <nixternal> hrmm, I have even nuked my krandrrc and still have the issue
[16:47] <davmor2> Guys oem is broke on kubuntu again
[16:51] <Riddell> hmm
[16:52] <davmor2> Riddell: I think it might be tied into your issue with wubi too it sounds similar
[16:53] <davmor2> Riddell: also heno I think is running a desktop install to confirm on desktop version too
[16:57] <txwikinger> My plasma crashed
[17:03] <kwwii> my lcd is working fine :p
[17:06] <claydoh> rgreening: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration bare and ugly so far
[17:20] <rgreening> claydoh: thanks. I'll have a read
[17:20] <apachelogger> claydoh: it suggest an upgrade with 9.04
[17:21] <apachelogger> we are trying to support upgrades from 8.04 => 9.04 as good as possible, can't say the same about 9.10 really
[17:21] <apachelogger> s/suggests/should suggest
[17:22] <claydoh> so 8.04 to 8.10 are unsupported officially
[17:23] <apachelogger> 8.04 => 9.10 aren't
[17:23] <apachelogger> 8.04 => 8.10 is supported but not prompted automagically because of the "I might want to stick with KDE 3" cases
[17:24] <apachelogger> but AFAIK 8.04 will prompt for upgrade once 9.04 is release, which is then suggested because upgrades to 9.10 can cause problems
[17:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: drf__ in #kde-devel seems to be (wants to be) working on policykit integration for 4.2, you should talk to him
[18:14] <\sh> apachelogger: just a reminder: 11th january -> \sh birthday -> please send this as birthday present: http://www.comsciences.com/product.htm
[18:14] <apachelogger> lol
[18:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you say, should we get \sh such a thingy?
[18:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: if you pay for it yes ;-)
[18:21]  * apachelogger was thinking about a shared effort :P
[18:21] <Nightrose> :P
[18:21] <Nightrose> <- poor student, remember?
[18:21] <apachelogger> <- poor unemployed
[18:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: best idea, we just sell our xmas presents
[18:22] <Nightrose> heh nope
[18:22] <Nightrose> not gonna happen
[18:22] <Nightrose> sorry
[18:23] <apachelogger> pff
[18:23] <apachelogger> \sh: Nightrose ain't loving you
[18:23] <Nightrose> :/
[18:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you know my heart belongs to you, don't you?
[18:23] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:23] <Nightrose> ohh wait
[18:23] <Nightrose> not true
[18:23] <Nightrose> :P
[18:23] <apachelogger> exactly!
[18:24]  * apachelogger feels the lies
[18:24] <rgreening> _Sime: you around?
[18:24] <apachelogger> causes a very weird vibration in the force
[18:24] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:25] <\sh> apachelogger: hehehe
[18:26]  * \sh 's heart belongs to apachelogger ,->
[18:26] <apachelogger> also applies vice versa
[18:28] <\sh> ok...EOB for today...going home now
[18:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently kdm-kde4 doesn't get removed
[18:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: the init script and config files don't
[18:47] <Riddell> we can't purge it because the config script is now used by kdm
[18:47] <apachelogger> hm, ok
[18:47] <apachelogger> *rebooting*
[19:12] <jjesse> yay back up over 1000 juice points... more amazon gift certificates :)
[19:12] <jjesse> doh wrong channel sorry bout that
[19:13] <Riddell> congratulations though, on whatever that is
[19:18] <_Sime> juice is normally healthy. Well done jjesse!
[19:36] <_Sime> rgreening: yessssss
[19:36] <_Sime> Riddell: do you (or anyone else) know when Guidance was first shipped as part of Kubuntu?
[19:37] <rgreening> _Sime: hey... I'm playing with the plasma python stuff
[19:37] <_Sime> and you are having trouble building everything??
[19:37] <rgreening> _Sime: and have an issue. the pyclock crashes when connecting to pytime
[19:37] <rgreening> it's all built....
[19:38] <_Sime> well done. Now grab the SIP & PyQt4 snapshots from riverbank and rebuild again.
[19:38] <_Sime> that's a known bug.
[19:38] <rgreening> _Sime: oh...
[19:38] <_Sime> I've got a half written wiki page here describing how to set this up...
[19:39] <_Sime> and what you need.
[19:39] <rgreening> _Sime: omg... link....
[19:39] <rgreening> :)
[19:39] <_Sime> it is just that you people are faster and keener that I had expected. ;-)
[19:39] <rgreening> _Sime: I've been wanting this sooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad
[19:40] <rgreening> _Sime: the other potential issue is the sip files for 4.1.2 vs what's in trunk. you used twine to gen those... do you have details on getting this accurate for 4.1.2 using twine? or some hints?
[19:40] <_Sime> hehe
[19:41]  * rgreening bows down to _Sime
[19:41] <_Sime> the wiki page is actually just in my email client right now.
[19:42] <_Sime> You're really keen to get that on 4.1.2. why exactly?
[19:43] <rgreening> some missing bits I want to implement in plasma/python
[19:43] <rgreening> some things I miss from KDE 3.5 and couldn't be bothered with coding them in C++ atm
[19:44] <rgreening> plus trying to learn python... and want a stable/release of KDE to work in (it's my only desktop)
[19:44] <_Sime> just run trunk in a nested X.
[19:44] <_Sime> that is what I do.
[19:44] <_Sime> works well.
[19:45] <rgreening> I want the apps I make available to me in a production env is the problem
[19:45] <rgreening> :P
[19:45] <rgreening> any change you can fwd me what you have written?
[19:46] <rgreening> s/change/chance
[19:46] <rgreening> and then i'm in your debt and owe you a favor sometime :)
[19:46] <yuriy> _Sime: dapper IIRC, but not sure, could have been breezy
[19:47] <_Sime> yuriy: wasn't dapper the longer term release? maybe it was edgy.
[19:48] <yuriy> no, it was definitely already in dapper
[19:49] <yuriy> _Sime: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance
[19:49] <_Sime> yuriy: ok, thanks.
[19:50] <Riddell> sime guidance was in the first kubuntu i think
[19:50] <Riddell> certainly the second
[19:50] <Riddell> so hoary or breezy
[19:50] <_Sime> I don't think so...
[19:50] <_Sime> I swear I had kubuntu before I had guidance going.
[19:51] <Riddell> maybe i'm wrong
[19:51] <yuriy> it was in breezy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+publishinghistory
[19:52] <_Sime> was it that long ago???
[19:53] <rgreening> _Sime: do you know what specific commit(s) in SIP PyQt4 fixes the issue?
[19:53] <_Sime> rgreening: no, the snapshots don't really show commits.
[19:54] <rgreening> oh... hmm... ok. thanks.
[19:56] <rgreening> _Sime: could it be simply due to the non-export of certain symbols? I seem to remember having a similar issue with pyqt and sip a long while back with Gentoo...
[19:57] <_Sime> what's the problem?
[19:57] <rgreening> i'll paste.. 1 sec...
[19:58] <rgreening> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61132/
[20:06] <rgreening> _Sime ^
[20:07] <apachelogger> kde rev 864309
[20:07] <rgreening> _Sime: and there is a time engine already in plasma. should the pytime one not use pytime (the files contain time as the engine)
[20:08] <_Sime> rgreening:  pytime is just a demo. The plugin names should be different now.
[20:08] <_Sime> rgreening: I'm a bit fuzzy on what the .desktop file should contain.
[20:09] <_Sime> rgreening: I can't only assume that PyQt was built against the wrong version of Python(??)
[20:13] <rgreening> hmm... ok. So pyclock uses the system time dataengine. that's clearer now. :)
[20:14] <rgreening> I'll check on the PyQt build... see if a rebuild fixes...
[20:14] <rgreening> _Sime: you indicated a issue needing newer SIP/PyQt4 though... and that's related to the segfaults... correct?
[20:15] <rgreening> sorry to be a bother :'}
[20:16] <_Sime> rgreening: SIP is needed otherwise it all crash when data is sent from the data engine.
[20:16] <_Sime> rgreening: new PyQt is needed for the events to work correctly in Plasma applets.
[20:16] <_Sime> rgreening: (an event type wasn't being correctly downcast in PyQt)
[20:17] <rgreening> _Sime: okies :)  cool.... ty...
[20:18] <_Sime> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Python_Support
[20:18] <rgreening> awesome
[20:22] <_Sime> if you have something useful to add to the page, then plz do so.
[20:24] <ScottK> We prefer kdesudo over kdesu, right?
[20:29] <rgreening> _Sime: 2 last things and I'm out of your hair while I try and beat this into submission 1) how do I re-generate the proper .sip files for 4.1.2 (twine?) and 2) do you know roughly what snapshot it started working for PyQt and SIP?
[20:29] <apachelogger> hm
[20:29]  * apachelogger points his laser screwdriver at kdm
[20:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, kdesu doesn't exaclty work very well with sudo
[20:30]  * apachelogger feels a disturbance in the force when he points his laser scewdriver at genkdmconf
[20:30] <_Sime> rgreening: twine isn't 100% automatic. So no, running it to generate the sip files is definately not trivial. But if things are missing then they should fail at compile time.
[20:31] <rgreening> _Sime: ok. I used your .sip files and had to mod in 3 places... it compiles fine then...
[20:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure when or who genkdmconf is executed, but I think it is directly related to the session issue
[20:33] <apachelogger> s/who/how
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: see the 08_genkdmconf.diff patch in workspace, it removes the session action and replaces it with . /etc/X11/Xsession
[20:36] <apachelogger> that is probably why default tries to launch x-terminal-emulator and not startkde
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: facts about patches
[20:41] <kubotu> I know nothing about patches
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: facts about workarounds
[20:41] <kubotu> [6/12] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds"
[20:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: You might want to mention that here: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/10/22/network-upgrade-for-kubuntu-desktops-804-lts-810/
[20:43] <apachelogger> bah, the kdm/xdm code is so confusing :S
[20:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: according to the changelog you added the patch, please take a look at it, I can't find anything else that relates as strong to the issue
[20:54] <apachelogger> also kdm is not very helpfulwith debugging :S
[20:54] <Riddell> busy install testing just now
[20:54] <Riddell> that isn't from debian?
[20:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[20:58] <apachelogger> oh
[20:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: was looking at the wrong package, it is in debian as well
[20:58] <apachelogger> the changelog doesn't indicate when it was added though, so I guess it is from KDE 3
[20:59] <Riddell> what is the upstream?
[21:29] <paran> anybody know how to get oprofile to detect symbols in the libQt<blah>.debug files from libqt4-dbg?
[21:30] <paran> I am trying to determine why kmail in intrepid eats 100% CPU and is really really unresponsive
[21:39] <ScottK> So who's been busy all day doing release notes for the RC?
[21:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Any chance you could bang out some release notes for us?
[21:46] <nixternal> when are they do?
[21:46] <nixternal> I can work on them tonight some I think
[21:49] <ScottK> RC is tomorrow.  slangasek was asking for NOW, but if you can do it tonight, I don't see anyone else raising their hand.
[21:49] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^
[21:50] <nixternal> right, I won't be able to work on them for about another 3 to 4 hours at a minimum
[21:50] <ScottK> Go for it.
[21:51] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for continuing to follow up on KDE 3.5.10 bugs.
[21:52] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu
[21:52] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^ that is where they will live
[21:52] <ScottK> OK
[21:52] <nixternal> in roughly 3 hours, ping me again so I don't forget like an idiot :)
[21:52] <nixternal> err, I have this great feature called a freakin' reminder in Kontact :P
[21:54] <a|wen> ScottK: no problem; i'll continue to do that, so just add the kde3.5.10 tag if any new pops up
[21:54] <ScottK> Great.  Because in 3 hours I'll be schlepping children to/from ballet classes.
[21:54] <ScottK> a|wen: Will do.  apachelogger has been good about flagging them.
[21:54]  * DaSkreech opens Khelp to look for 'Freaking reminder'
[21:55] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I suspect you need a special Chicago language pack for that.
[21:56] <DaSkreech> whadda talkin' bout?
[21:56] <moenicke> yay Chicago :)
[21:57] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah, I saw that :) ... though sadly the kdepim regressions seen atm is far from trivial
[21:57] <DaSkreech> Packages for Beta 2?
[21:58] <ScottK> Well the Freakin Reminder was for nixternal to do release notes for the Intrepid RC.
[21:58] <ScottK> The kdepim discussion is about KDE3.5.10 in Hardy
[22:03] <DaSkreech> ScottK: I meant are there any packages for Beta 2 available :)
[22:04] <ScottK> Beta 2 of what?
[22:05] <DaSkreech> Koffice
[22:05] <ScottK> Oh.  No idea.
[22:05] <nixternal> don't be dissin' chicago homeslice
[22:06] <nixternal> it is cold in chicago today....i would like to hit up the pubs tonight, but I have to do release notes instead :P
[22:08] <txwikinger> nixternal: you talking Chicago Pie again?
[22:08] <Arby> a|wen yet another kdepim one for you then, bug 177566
[22:09] <nixternal> I am talking Chicago's finest beer, Goose Island's 312
[22:10] <a|wen> Arby: is it a kde3.5.10 regression?
[22:11] <Arby> not a regression no, just a crash that still occurs. are you just looking for regressions?
[22:12] <a|wen> Arby: i'm atm specifically looking for regressions between 3.5.9 and 3.5.10
[22:12] <Riddell> paran: i suspect that doesn't work
[22:12] <Arby> ok
[22:13] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Do you know of any Koffice Beta 2 packages for Ibex ?
[22:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes we had packages last week when it released see kubuntu.org
[22:20] <Riddell> paran: i think the way the libraries point to the debug ones is wrong
[22:23] <ScottK> nixternal: slangasek is mostly interested in the bad news kind of release notes, upgrade instructions, warnings, etc.
[22:32] <paran> Riddell: would seem that way... I just noticed that simply replacing the real library with the .debug one seems to work though
[22:32] <Riddell> paran: ah, interesting, if inelegant
[22:46] <seele> was RC today or tomorrow?
[22:55] <Riddell> tomorrow
[23:10] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[23:10] <DaSkreech> Can't see koffice 2 in adept for some reason
[23:11] <Riddell> did you add the repository?  is this adept manager not adept installer?  try searching for "koffice2"?
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[23:11] <DaSkreech> It's there on the command line
[23:12] <DaSkreech>  I can apt-cache policy koffice-kde4 and install etc
[23:12] <DaSkreech>  can't see it at all in Adept
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Beta 2
[23:12] <Riddell> might need xapian updated
[23:12] <DaSkreech> As in Adept Beta 2
[23:13] <DaSkreech> ok
[23:13] <DaSkreech> latest version
[23:13] <Riddell> run /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Riddell: :-)
[23:31] <jameswf> Soooo i have a system i need to wipe, how close are we if i upgrade now wil god kill a kitten or.......
[23:32] <Riddell> jameswf: works for me
[23:37] <DaSkreech> jameswf: you down with KDE4?
[23:40] <jameswf> eh no
[23:41] <jameswf> I am waiting for KDE 4.99
[23:45] <DaSkreech> jameswf: Loooong wait
[23:46]  * DaSkreech sighs
[23:46] <DaSkreech> No kubuntu-desktop in adept either
[23:48] <DaSkreech> Am I correct in saying that for Ibex we will have KDE3 but not a Kubuntu KDE3 ?
[23:48] <seele> eh?
[23:48] <seele> there are backports, but there is no Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex KDE3 edition
[23:48] <DaSkreech> There will not be a kubuntu-desktop package for KDE3 but you can install KDE3
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: maybe adept should rebuild xaipian index when reloading packages after modifying sources.list via s-p-kde?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> WOuld be nice
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> iirc mornfall either made xapian updates not happen very often at all if at all since it takes so long and it rebuilt on every startup in the alphas
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: ^thoughts?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> seele: Doh! I was to check on you bringing in Wine :-)
[23:51] <seele> DaSkreech: i have to still make sure i can go
[23:51] <DaSkreech> seele: So you install KDE3?
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Or just blessed apps?
[23:51] <seele> DaSkreech: i am teaching a uni class and the semester begins the same week
[23:51] <seele> DaSkreech: i havent run kde3 since 4.1.1 came out
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Move the class here :)
[23:51] <DaSkreech> seele: The metaphorical you in Ibex :-P


[12:50] <alterjsive> I just tried to upgrade ubuntu 21.04, the installer said that I dont have enough space on /boot while I have 380GB available. Is this because of my full disk encryption?
[12:51] <alterjsive> I clearly have enough space :/
[13:00] <ruifmf> ping?
[13:00] <ruifmf> Hi
[13:02] <ruifmf> ...anyway! «do-release-upgrade» says «Welcome to... development release.» even after I changed (source) from my regular mirror to main server
[13:04] <alterjsive> never u mind fixed it by deleting old kernels
[13:05] <ruifmf> @alterjsive is that answer intended for me?
[13:08] <alterjsive> ah no sorry
[13:14] <alterjsive> ruifmf: I just followed the upgrade guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ImpishUpgrades/Kubuntu
[13:14] <ruifmf> yes, that is what I am following
[13:19] <ruifmf> I'm guessing the upgrade command shouldn't have a «-d» switch for that is for development relaezse upgrades
[13:20] <ruifmf> yep, that seem to work
[13:20] <ruifmf> so...
[13:20] <ruifmf> bugreport
[13:21] <ruifmf> remove «-d» from upgrade instructions
[13:23] <ruifmf> ...upgrading...
[13:23] <ruifmf> bye
[13:33] <mparillo> Removed -d from the upgrade guide.
[13:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:48] <airsoftmodels> i was running 21.10 beta with no issues.  now that it has been released, should i install the release version, or does it upgrade itself?
[14:52] <BluesKaj> just upgrade with your package manager or apt
[14:53] <airsoftmodels> great, thanks BluesKaj
[14:53] <BluesKaj> yw, airsoftmodels
 @alterjsive You can unlock your encrypted disk first and maybe then it will work (re @IrcsomeBot: <alterjsive> I just tried to upgrade ubuntu 21.04, the installer said that I dont have enough space on /boot while I have 380GB available. Is this because of my full disk encryption?)
 İ am also interested, if that is possible (re @IrcsomeBot: <sysdoc> Does anyone have an idea on how to get the touch pad on a laptop to use pinch gestures in Firefox and Thunderbird for zoom in and out?)
 İ found a source saying that multi-touch gestures are possible only with wayland
 İ found a source saying that multi-touch gestures are possible only with wayland (but İ can not imagine that to be true, since scrolling also worked in earlier versions)
[16:21] <RTG89> Uhm can i write an MBR on a disk that doesnt have one during the install of kubuntu? The M.2 drive i added appears to be recognised by windows, but does not have a master boot record on it. Also, havent used an M.2 drive before at all, do i just use it like a normal drive? I mean, yes, partitioning unless its for seperate operating systems and such isnt neccessary like it would be on classical HDDs, i understand that, but its also
[16:21] <RTG89> not really a problem, either, or i dont think it should be anyways.
[16:27] <alkisg> RTG89: the most common format now is gpt, not mbr
[16:28] <alkisg> RTG89: M.2 are normal disks like all others yeah; if you want, upload the output of `sudo parted -l`
[16:42] <RTG89> alkisg, huh or GPT. Just reading up on the differences, my existing drives have an MBR though so i dont know if there could be a conflict or i have to boot in EFI or sthg if i want to boot from a GPT drive?  The advantages seem minor in any event, at least for my purposes
[16:43] <alkisg> RTG89: GPT usually also has a dummy MBR wrapper. If you want to boot from a GPT driver in BIOS mode, you also need a bios_grub partition
[16:44] <alkisg> Since your M.2 disk isn't over 2 TB, and since you're booting in BIOS mode, sure go for MBR then
[16:44] <alkisg> In general, newer installations come with UEFI. E.g. I just installed ubuntu-mate 21.10 and it complained "no efi partition" even though I booted in BIOS/MBR mode :D
[16:48] <RTG89> hehe, well yeah im certainly getting old ;)
[16:49] <alkisg> Eh, I started with the OS in floppy disks, so... :)
[16:57] <RTG89> Slightly before my time i guess? Well, at least that OS's primarily came on floppy disks,
[16:59] <RTG89> Though even windows 98 could still install from floppies and by then i was certainly around.
[17:15] <alkisg> DOS was usually launched directly from floppies
[17:15] <alkisg> While for windows 3.0 we usually used little disks
[17:16] <alkisg> (hards disks)
 Ouais tis looking good need to get a tarp or something to keep the sun off, & mostire/heat in, but otherwise good to go : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/8e849d43/file_48420.jpg
[17:29] <oerheks> bsost_brendon, how is that related to kubuntu support?
 Ребят, подскажите вопрос не по теме немного - нужен ли fail2ban если аутентификация по ssh ТОЛЬКО по ключу?
 sure it's Kubuntu-specific? (also use English)
[18:05] <oerheks> typicallinukss , i would.
[18:26] <user|64> Hello guys. I got sound problems with my Intel HDA on kubuntu 20.04. Am I the only one with this problem? Sometimes the sound works, but only sometimes. Will there be a update?
 How do I upgrade to the latest kubuntu 21.10?
[18:52] <alkisg> Veektony, from which kubuntu version?
[18:53] <oerheks> upgrade path is open in softwareupdates, for 21.04 that is
 21.04 (re @IrcsomeBot: <alkisg> Veektony, from which kubuntu version?)
[19:01] <oerheks> if the uprade path does not appear, run sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:01] <oerheks> * and reboot probably
 Thank (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> if the uprade path does not appear, run sudo apt full-upgrade)
 OK
 Hi guys.. how r u?
 I'm having some issues with some icons on Kde..
 Chrome, Insomnia
 Do you know how to solve it?
 this is what it's showing : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/9d774abc/Screenshot_20211016_223551.png
[21:50] <oerheks> veektony upgrade to 21.10, icons and themes are awesome
 yeah, the icon is blue zaifaro and the themes are ; plasma : material light ; windows are whitesur (re @IrcsomeBot: <oerheks> veektony upgrade to 21.10, icons and themes are awesome)
 How can I update to 21.10? I supposed it released but both apt update and dist-upgrade don't do anything