[01:27] <beuno> Burgundavia: ping
[01:29] <beuno> UWN is far from "acceptable"
[01:29] <beuno> no LoCo news
[01:29] <beuno> and no "Community Spotlight"
[01:30] <boredandblogging> anything I can do?
[01:30] <beuno> I don't have time to get those together now
[01:30] <beuno> boredandblogging: I'm not sure, both those items are tricky
[01:31] <beuno> the "Community Spotlight" would be writing a paragraph on some new Ubuntu feature
[01:31] <beuno> can you think of one you can write about?
[01:31] <boredandblogging> hold on
[01:32] <boredandblogging> something like codec grabbing or migration assistant?
[01:32] <beuno> boredandblogging: yeap, exactly
[01:32] <boredandblogging> I think I can come up with something
[01:33] <beuno> that would be great, I'm digging for LoCo news, but I guess that item can be scratched out
[01:34] <boredandblogging> ok, let me find some stuff on codec grabbing
[02:00] <boredandblogging> beuno, added the blurb, but I can't find a good link to use
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> beuno: are we going with accessibility team for team of the week
[04:05] <Burgundavia> beuno: what is needed on teh UWN?
[04:48] <Burgundavia> beuno: ping: re: should I send the UWN?
[04:53] <boredandblogging> Burgundavia, looks like it still needs LoCo news and an In This Issue
[04:53] <Burgundavia> loco news is spotty
[04:53] <Burgundavia> if we have no news, we cannot write anything
[04:54] <boredandblogging> i can add to In This Issue real quick
[04:55] <boredandblogging> once you are done editing it
[04:55] <Burgundavia> yep, all yours
[04:55] <Burgundavia> I added a plea to the loco news bit
[05:00] <boredandblogging> done
[05:00] <Burgundavia> I think we are looking pretty good
[05:00] <boredandblogging> yeah
[05:00] <Burgundavia> I will set my gf lose on teh editing
[05:01] <boredandblogging> cool
[05:02] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, you've sucked A into editing UWN? Neatly done.
[05:09] <Burgundavia> hi Brian
[05:09] <Burgundavia> yeah, he got me
[05:09] <Burgundavia> but I'm unemployed anyway, and I'm gonna get stupid if I don't keep writing and editing.
[05:09] <Burgundavia> It's this or WoW.
[05:12] <boredandblogging> am I the only one who has never played WoW?
[05:12] <Burgundavia> heh. Actually, I haven't either.
[05:12] <lotusleaf> I've never played WoW
[05:12] <Burgundavia> But I was heavily involved with Guild Wars, so I'm still a nerd.
[05:12] <lotusleaf> WarCraft2 was pretty cool though
[05:12] <Burgundavia> er, this is Burg's gf, not Burgundavia.
[05:13] <boredandblogging> what is guild wars? I am so not a gamer
[05:14] <Burgundavia> it's kind of like Diablo with more depth and strategy, plus PvP tournaments.
[05:17] <boredandblogging> nice
[05:29] <Burgundavia> ok, I think we are ready
[05:31] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, having A hijack your IRC client is confusing... I know she's got her own ;)
[05:31] <Burgundavia> it was more that she would need an LP account, etc
[05:31] <Burgundavia> so I sat her down at my laptop
[11:14] <beuno> UWN #34 is release, and I'm going to bet
[11:14] <beuno> eeerrr, bed
[11:14] <beuno> boredandblogging, GREAT job on it
[11:15] <poningru> nn
[11:21] <beuno> poningru: maybe you can digg/reddit it?
[11:21] <beuno> I'm really off to bed though
[02:07] <boredandblogging> beuno, no problem
[03:00] <poningru> anyone have anything wrong with me registring as Ubuntu-marketing
[03:01] <lotusleaf> on lp?
[03:01] <lotusleaf> it's an open team if I recall :)
[03:03] <poningru> no dude on digg
[03:03] <poningru> ubuntumarketing
[03:03] <lotusleaf> oh
[03:04] <jenda> poningru: go right ahead.
[03:04] <poningru> what email should I give?
[03:04] <poningru><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:04] <poningru> or do we have an ubuntu.com email addy?
[03:06] <jenda> give the ML
[03:06] <jenda> poningru: if anything comes, one of us will catch it and either let it through or leave it ;)
[03:06] <poningru> yeah
[03:23] <lotusleaf> poningru, that's an interesting idea, so would suggestions trickle into digg submissions under ubuntumarketing?
[03:23] <poningru> right
[03:23] <lotusleaf> brilliant
[03:23] <poningru> :)
[03:23] <lotusleaf> poningru, you win!
[03:24] <poningru> ;p
[06:10] <lotusleaf> lot of zerberos
[07:03] <Burgwork> beuno: passed through
[07:05] <myriam_rs> join #kubuntu-fr
[07:06] <myriam_rs> sorry, mistype
[07:29] <Burgwork> http://www.smh.com.au/news/home-office/linux-reloaded/2007/03/31/1174761806748.html
[08:14] <Burgwork> beuno: fridge up
[08:15] <beuno> Burgwork: great!  sorry for the delay in the release
[08:15] <Burgwork> no worries
[08:15] <Burgwork> it is out
[08:15] <beuno> :D
[08:17] <adamant1988> Anyone here right now?
[08:20] <Burgwork> never
[08:24] <adamant1988> Burgwork: Well, I asked in that forum thread for contributers
[08:24] <adamant1988> and I definitely did not get the response I was expecting
[08:24] <Burgwork> oh?
[08:24] <Burgwork> which thread?
[08:24] <adamant1988> The author of the thread basically told me "sod off, this was my idea"
[08:25] <adamant1988> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2387414#post2387414
[08:29] <adamant1988> I'm trying to figure out a diplomatic way to responde
[08:32] <Burgwork> basically, they already have a project going, which is cool
[08:35] <adamant1988> I'm trying to think out a way to respond
[08:35] <adamant1988> I'm considering linking to the old wiki pages and posting a "pot meet kettle" response
[08:41] <Burgwork> no, don't do that
[08:41] <Burgwork> we want to encourage these people to work with us
[08:42] <adamant1988> it seems that they're opposed to doing that
[08:42] <adamant1988> Query: don't we have superior channels for distributing this magazine as an Ubuntu team?
[08:43] <Burgwork> no, they are opposed to us taking over their project
[08:43] <Burgwork> what I said was, come work with us
[08:45] <adamant1988> Uh huh.
[08:46] <Burgwork> welcome, ookooboontoo
[08:46] <Burgwork> I assume you are the ookooboontoo of the forums?
[08:46] <ookooboontoo> ooh recognised for once :D
[08:46] <ookooboontoo> yes I am
[08:46] <Burgwork> yep, saw you on the magazine thread
[08:46] <Burgwork> my other nick is Burgundavia
[08:47] <ookooboontoo> I just saw the post on discussions here
[08:47] <ookooboontoo> did I miss anything?
[08:47] <Burgwork> it is cool that somebody has actually run with the magazine idea
[08:47] <Burgwork> there has been a lot of talk but not much else
[08:47] <ookooboontoo> I think it has great potential, as probably many do, but I do feel it needs a fair level of commitment
[08:48] <adamant1988> It doesn't seem like they've really garnered a lot of the support they act like though.  I looked on the forums, there, the discussions are very limited out of the 8 or so threads started by "admin"
[08:48] <Burgwork> yes, magazines do
[08:48] <Burgwork> adamant1988: please, be positive
[08:48] <Burgwork> I know you guys are looking to be "more official", if that means anything
[08:48] <adamant1988> Sorry, just an observation.
[08:49] <ookooboontoo> Yes, I agree Adam initially however, the original thread is up to 15 pages aready
[08:49] <Burgwork> every single otehr magazine idea has been lost in too much talk
[08:49] <ookooboontoo> I have originally offered proofreading work but I am desribed as an editor already! :)
[08:50] <adamant1988> ookooboontoo: These ideas do get talked up a lot, but in all that talk talk the idea gets too big and then everyone decides they don't have the time to commit
[08:50] <ookooboontoo> I think a bit of careful planning is required or it will be blown out quickly
[08:50] <Burgwork> yep
[08:50] <Burgwork> where have the completed articles gone?
[08:50] <adamant1988> Well, I have a thread on the mailing list right now just trying to gather info on specific requirements to get this mag off the ground
[08:51] <Burgwork> basically, we need about 5 articles and a layout
[08:51] <ookooboontoo> Well, the Idea arose 48 hours ago as far as I know. I have only seen one article and that was not sufficient as a great article
[08:51] <Burgwork> ok
[08:51] <adamant1988> with links to content from the marketing team's previous attempts to do this.
[08:52] <ookooboontoo> I have not seen the teams previous, apart from behind ubuntu
[08:52] <Burgwork> there was a strong effort about 6 months ago
[08:52] <adamant1988> ookooboontoo: there was an attempt to start this before.  I saw the thread and I hoped perhaps the interest in the community was there to revive it.
[08:52] <Burgwork> the biggest piece that I haven't seen is a layout
[08:52] <Burgwork> morning mdke
[08:53] <ookooboontoo> So I beleive, I think again that careful planning is needed
[08:53] <mdke> Burgwork: hiya. Been a long time since I was in here.
[08:53] <Burgwork> yep
[08:53] <mdke> good job on the newsletters everyone
[08:53] <ookooboontoo> I would suggest a monthly issue but I am not in charge and it all depends on content
[08:53] <adamant1988> Burgwork: I'm kicking around some ideas in TomBoy for a layout, I keep coming back to the same conclusion: Base it off the site.
[08:53] <Burgwork> right
[08:53] <ookooboontoo> Indeed we must not detract, but enhance the likes of UWN
[08:54] <Burgwork> basically, it needs to be done in scribus, if we are doing pdf
[08:54] <adamant1988> Burgwork: yeah, have you read my mail to the list?
[08:54] <adamant1988> I thought I got the discussion starter organized fairly well.
[08:54] <adamant1988> But that's me.
[08:54] <Burgwork> yep, that is pretty good
[08:54] <adamant1988> Anything obvious that I missed?
[08:54] <Burgwork> now produce some scribus :)
[08:55] <adamant1988> Burgwork: I'm not familiar with scribus but I'll see what I can do
[08:55] <Burgwork> there in we fall down
[08:55] <Burgwork> we have nobody with dp experience
[08:55] <ookooboontoo> I think a bit of care needs to be considered. ronniet made the post and initially came as editor, now it appears this group is taking over, unless ronnie is in the building?
[08:55] <adamant1988> Burgwork: Well, I'm familiar with design, but not scribus.  I'm used to doing this stuff in Photoshop
[08:56] <adamant1988> Design wise.
[08:56] <Burgwork> right
[08:56] <Burgwork> ookooboontoo: no, we are not taking over
[08:56] <Burgwork> very much not so
[08:56] <Burgwork> we would rather have ronnie do it, as I simply don't have the time
[08:56] <Burgwork> I can, however, point out common pitfalls of organizing these things
[08:56] <adamant1988> I think it would be great if we merged efforts.
[08:56] <ookooboontoo> I hear you Burgwork but how do others see it
[08:57] <adamant1988> ookooboontoo: I think the situation going on right now is kind of a pride one, "we started it!"
[08:57] <Burgwork> I agree, it can look like takeover
[08:57] <ookooboontoo> I think merged efforts are best, but it will need good management
[08:57] <adamant1988> However, I think if we merged efforts we could get this off the ground.
[08:57] <ookooboontoo> I must fly but bbl
[08:57] <Burgwork> we need to get ronnie here to chat
[08:57] <mykalReborn> well ronnie started it so he felt a little sad of course
[08:58] <adamant1988> It's going to take a lot of work, and refusing help/cooperation based on pride is a bad idea.
[08:58] <mykalReborn> and i thing we need ronnie here
[08:58] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: The marketing team had an effort 6 months ago to do the exact same thing.
[08:58] <Burgwork> I have to grab lunch
[08:58] <mykalReborn> well... even better
[08:58] <mykalReborn> i guess it's a little about pride
[08:58] <adamant1988> Burgwork: Ok, I'll wait up for ronniet.
[08:58] <mykalReborn> but we're only human you know
[08:59] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: I completely understand
[08:59] <adamant1988> but there are benefits to merging efforts with the marketing team.  Mostly that we're more official and we have some extra resources to distribute the magazine.
[08:59] <mykalReborn> yeah that's true
[09:00] <mykalReborn> and i'm sure ronnie will agree with the help from the marketing team
[09:00] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: Also, like I said, the marketing team tried to do this 6 months ago and failed because it is a massive effort.  I don't feel that either of us can afford to refuse assisting each other based on pride.
[09:00] <mykalReborn> yes
[09:01] <mykalReborn> but what's important to note is that no one said "no"... or at least just yet :P
[09:01] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: I think that ronniet is feeling a bit defensive right now.
[09:01] <mykalReborn> it was the way you said it on the forums that made it sound a bit like you were taking over...
[09:01] <mykalReborn> well... we'll know when he gets in won't we ? :P
[09:02] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: admittedly I didn't read the thread all the way through, I just caught the gist that there was a demand for the magazine.  The marketing team actually brought this idea back up independently
[09:02] <adamant1988> I was the one who noted the forum thread.
[09:02] <mykalReborn> thanks a lot for that
[09:02] <lotusleaf> "there's no I in team"
[09:02] <mykalReborn> that is true
[09:02] <adamant1988> lotusleaf: I'm taking blame for my comments :P
[09:03] <lotusleaf> adamant1988, I'm drinking coffee
[09:03] <adamant1988> lotusleaf: Nice to meet you then :)
[09:03] <adamant1988> I'm Adam.
[09:03] <lotusleaf> adamant1988, I'm leaf
[09:03] <adamant1988> is drinking-coffee your indian name?
[09:03] <mykalReborn> adam, you should read the thread, if you have the patience. you'd be surprised how fast this has grown. it's not just a little forum ideas like the commercial idea. this is pretty serious
[09:03] <lotusleaf> lol
[09:04] <mykalReborn> btw... coffee's not goo for your health
[09:04] <mykalReborn> :P
[09:04] <thezenmaster> oh adam you're the commercial guy?
[09:04] <lotusleaf> mykalReborn, life is a terminal disease
[09:04] <thezenmaster> i actually been thinking about that for a while but lost track of the thread
[09:04] <lotusleaf> mykalReborn, when you find the cure so we can all live forever, let me know, meanwhile, more coffee is required ;)
[09:04] <thezenmaster> is that still active?
[09:05] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: All of these efforts 'grow' fast.  I looked at the forums and the site, I think the project is getting way ahead of itself and it's not as 'grown up' as it appears.  Again, if we collaborate we've got the marketing team's experience with this, channels of distribution, and the extra warm bodies coupled with ronniet's people's activity.
[09:05] <mykalReborn> lotusleaf:lol
[09:05] <thezenmaster> xD
[09:05] <mykalReborn> first of all i have a question. a technical one
[09:05] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: a 15 page thread about the Ubuntu mag is not unexpected, but a lot of it is the same people responding to virtually every post to give the appearance of activity.
[09:05] <lotusleaf> mykalReborn, my smoking jacket says "the tree of life is self pruning"
[09:05] <mykalReborn> how do you make this quote thing on x-chat?
[09:06] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: hrmm? you mean the logs?
[09:06] <mykalReborn> no
[09:06] <mykalReborn> when you reply to me your nickname becomes yellow you know
[09:06] <mykalReborn> so i know your talking to me
[09:06] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: Oh, that's something in your client.
[09:06] <adamant1988> Most clients have that.
[09:06] <lotusleaf> mykalReborn, what brand of coffee are YOU drinking?
[09:06] <mykalReborn> lotusleaf:i don't drink coffee
[09:07] <mykalReborn> i only drink water and wine once in a while
[09:07] <mykalReborn> :D
[09:07] <adamant1988> thezenmaster: What are you talking about exactly?
[09:07] <thezenmaster> an ubuntu ad
[09:07] <thezenmaster> like a movie or something
[09:07] <adamant1988> thezenmaster: Oh, I'm against YouTube ads and such.
[09:07] <thezenmaster> i dunno if it was for yt
[09:08] <thezenmaster> i just read a thread about making a video ad about ubuntu
[09:08] <adamant1988> I think that's wasted resources, yes a lot of people would view those, but using any more "web 2.0" channels just exposes us to the same audience again.
[09:08] <mykalReborn> adamant1998:oh i get it. thanks. and again i must say no one is talking about not cooperating... the thing is... you have this way of being a little negative about things. no offence.
[09:08] <thezenmaster> adamant1988 right
[09:09] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: Well, my initial post wasn't negative at all.  however ronniet's post was completely defensive and almost insulting to a degree, I understand that it's "his project" but I think they should play Beryl/Compiz with us for right now and see if we can't work on a singular effort and combine what we have.
[09:10] <adamant1988> Ronniet has the argument: "this is my project!" and the marketing team has the argument "We're more official, and we have experience with this!".  Both arguments are equally valid which is why we can't expect to meet in the middle.
[09:10] <thezenmaster> oh..talking about Full circe?
[09:10] <adamant1988> erm
[09:10] <adamant1988> Can.
[09:10] <adamant1988> s/can't/can
[09:10] <beuno> adamant1988: maybe "we might be able to" is better then "they should"
[09:10] <thezenmaster> *circle
[09:11] <lotusleaf> cat soapopera | grep credits
[09:11] <adamant1988> beuno: perhaps.
[09:12] <beuno> :D
[09:12] <beuno> since that is the spirit behind this
[09:12] <beuno> right?
[09:12] <beuno> getting out the best as possible
[09:12] <mykalReborn> adamant1988: i was talking in general. never mind. i have this habit of playing the shrink. sorry. i'm repeating myself here, but i'm sure there won't be any problems in colaborating. unofrtunately ronnie can't get on irc right now
[09:12] <beuno> *it out
[09:12] <adamant1988> I'm still a little taken by the "hell no, this is our project!" response I got. So perhaps I should take a breather.
[09:13] <adamant1988> I think meeting in the middle for a singular effort will be a much better use of all of our resources rather than saying "come work with us!"
[09:13] <beuno> adamant1988: yeap, it's not always easy for other people to come in to a project, but I'm sure you can all colaborate
[09:13] <mykalReborn> adamant1988:good point, but you must agree that neither you suggested meeting in the middle ;)
[09:13] <beuno> mykalReborn: maybe you can take these discussions into the marketing mailing list to find more volunteers and resources?
[09:14] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: I didn't SUGGEST anything. I asked for people to contact me or get on the marketing team mailing list.
[09:14] <m2> hi
[09:14] <adamant1988> You inferred that I was suggesting an absorption of the project.
[09:14] <mariachi> yeah... it was the MT that aproached us first
[09:14] <mariachi> we didn't say that..
[09:14] <mykalReborn> beuno:well... i'm not the one calling the shots here. i'm talking here because i just like to help a bit. but i just want to write articles, that's all
[09:15] <m2> good, we need more articles
[09:15] <m2> i think we have 4 or 5 committed..
[09:15] <beuno> aaah, right, just a suggestion  :D
[09:15] <mykalReborn> adamant1988:calm down just a little bit. i wasn't trying to get on your nerves or anything like that
[09:15] <adamant1988> m2 are you ronniet?
[09:15] <mykalReborn> beuno: thanks anyways :D
[09:15] <mariachi> he's at work
[09:15] <m2> no, i'm mateo
[09:15] <mariachi> ronniet
[09:16] <adamant1988> mariachi: Oh I see, how long until he'll be available.
[09:16] <mariachi> dunno
[09:16] <mariachi> :/
[09:16] <mariachi> but he will come here
[09:16] <mariachi> that's for sure
[09:16] <adamant1988> Well, there's a discussion on the mailing list right now concerning the Magazine
[09:16] <m2> what are other ubuntu-related channels?
[09:16] <mariachi> guess ill register then
[09:17] <m2> im not a mailing list fan
[09:17] <mykalReborn> adam::">what's the email for the mailing lists? sorry for the dumb question
[09:17] <adamant1988> I'm engaging in an email conversation with ronniet
[09:17] <adamant1988> excuse me for a moment
[09:17] <mykalReborn> sure
[09:18] <mariachi> mykalreborn https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[09:18] <mykalReborn> mariachi:thanks
[09:19] <mykalReborn> i'm suscribing as we speak
[09:19] <m2> april 2007 isn't viewable yet :(
[09:19] <beuno> anyway, just so you know, the marketing team is very interested in getting this done, so whatever resources we can help you with, we'll be glad to
[09:20] <mykalReborn> m2:yeah i so that. too bad
[09:20] <mykalReborn> beuno: are you in the marketing team too? :-/
[09:20] <mariachi> beuno i don't think any of us mind the marketing team helping
[09:20] <beuno> mykalReborn: yeap
[09:20] <beuno> almost all of us in here are  :D
[09:20] <mariachi> the only weird thing is the way we were contacted
[09:20] <mariachi> lol
[09:20] <mykalReborn> mariachi:i agree. it was just a misunderstanding
[09:21] <mariachi> maybe were being overzealous...
[09:21] <m2> seems like no big deal to me
[09:21] <m2> anyways, how can the marketing team help
[09:21] <beuno> mariachi: absolutely, that's why I wanted to stress the idea that we're here to help
[09:21] <mykalReborn> beuno: yeah LOL that's why they call it the ubuntu-marketing channel
[09:21] <mariachi> lol in the end it isnt
[09:21] <beuno> we had a meeting yesterday, and severel members where interested in getting that project back on track, and it didn't seem anyone was pushing it forward
[09:22] <m2> if the marketing team has a webpage you can post a link to the magazine's webpage so people will try and contribute
[09:22] <beuno> but now that we know there is, the outlook is much better
[09:22] <mariachi> it would be kinda dumb to start a meaningless "war"
[09:22] <mariachi> since we state the ubuntu community is a friendly one lol
[09:22] <beuno> m2, yes, we have several ways of getting users to contribute, see the UWN for example
[09:23] <mariachi> it's one of the best arguments we got to encourage people
[09:23] <m2> what is a uwn?
[09:23] <beuno> mariachi: it's not a war until someone fires something  :p
[09:23] <mykalReborn> beuno: cybernetic bomb shells:P
[09:23] <beuno> m2: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/
[09:24] <mariachi> lol no one will =p
[09:24] <beuno> check out the archive
[09:24] <Burgwork> the uwn is mostly inward facing
[09:24] <beuno> yes, exactly
[09:24] <Burgwork> the magazine is more aimed at newer users and potential users
[09:24] <m2> ok, so put a blurb about the magazine in the next newsletter.
[09:24] <mykalReborn> burgwork:what do you mean inward?
[09:24] <Burgwork> it is more informatiion about the project, for existing members of the projoect
[09:25] <mykalReborn> Burgwork: oh, i see
[09:26] <mariachi> agree
[09:26] <mariachi> ubuntu needs to open up
[09:26] <mariachi> ^^
[09:26] <mykalReborn> mariachi:ubuntu is pretty opened up anyways ;)
[09:27] <mariachi> lol open source, open community
[09:27] <mariachi> just needs an open magazine
[09:27] <mariachi> lol
[09:27] <adamant1988> Ok, I'm proof-reading my response to him now
[09:27] <mykalReborn> and open people with open minds :P
[09:27] <mykalReborn> adamant1988:can we see the email here too?
[09:27] <mykalReborn> :-/
[09:27] <adamant1988> I basically clarified my stance, explained that the marketing team has experience with this, and more resources for distribution, and encouraged him to join us in forging an agreement that both camps can be happy with.
[09:28] <mariachi> nicely done ^^
[09:28] <beuno> mykalReborn: give me your addy, I'll resend it
[09:28] <adamant1988> beuno: it's not going to the ML
[09:28] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: I'll CC you a copy if you like
[09:28] <mykalReborn> yeah sure
[09:28] <mykalReborn> :D
[09:28] <adamant1988> just give me your email address.
[09:28] <mykalReborn><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:28] <mariachi><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:29] <beuno> I meant the first one you sent, and the meeting summary/log
[09:29] <mykalReborn> i hope i won't get spammed
[09:29] <mykalReborn> lol
[09:29] <mariachi> send me a copy will ya?
[09:29] <mariachi> lol
[09:29] <adamant1988> PM me your email if you would like me to CC a copy to you
[09:29] <Burgwork> mykalReborn: working on an open sourc eproject means your email is out there and spam is basically part of life
[09:29] <mariachi> nice
[09:29] <mariachi> lol
[09:30] <mariachi> xD it has't been very efective lately tho
[09:30] <mariachi> i still get a lot of messages from the "Africa central bank"
[09:30] <mariachi> xD
[09:30] <adamant1988> beuno: tell me about it, I would be lost without Gmail
[09:30] <adamant1988> it makes active participation in the MLs I'm on a LOT easier
[09:30] <beuno> mariachi: after I marked those as "Phishing", a couple of times never got em again
[09:31] <mariachi> send me a CC ;) i'll go eat something lol brb
[09:31] <mykalReborn> burgwork:of course. that is a risk i'm willng to take [salutes like in the military]  :P
[09:33] <adamant1988> i'm editing it right now, just making sure there aren't any portions he could misunderstand again
[09:33] <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure it's an effort on both parts
[09:38] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: what is your email address?
[09:39] <mykalReborn><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:41] <adamant1988> beuno: would you like to proof read it first just to make sure there's no mix ups?
[09:42] <beuno> adamant1988: sure, I'll take a peak
[09:42] <adamant1988> ok.
[09:42] <beuno> Burgwork is much more of a diplomat though
[09:42] <adamant1988> beuno: email?
[09:42] <adamant1988> beuno: I think it's written well
[09:42] <beuno><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:42] <Burgwork> beuno: being paid to market makes you one very quickly
[09:43] <mykalReborn> Burgwork:being paid?
[09:43] <beuno> Burgwork, heh, I'm sure!
[09:43] <Burgwork> mykalReborn: I work for a desktop linux company, as marketing and pr
[09:43] <adamant1988> beuno: you have mail
[09:44] <beuno> adamant1988: I think you should stress that he doesn't have to give up anything, that we're going to help him, not the other way around
[09:45] <beuno> specially since he's got this going already
[09:45] <beuno> I understand you are eager to make this a reality, but you wanted more help, you got it  :D
[09:46] <beuno> I'm sure Burgwork will kick me if I'm wrong, but that's probably the best approach
[09:46] <Burgwork> yep, that makes sens
[09:46] <Burgwork> sense, even
[09:47] <Burgwork> hey mgalvin
[09:48] <Burgwork> how goes your busy life?
[09:48] <mgalvin> Burgwork: hey dude, pretty good... how have you been?
[09:48] <Burgwork> busy, as per usual
[09:48] <Burgwork> beuno: I am going to be out of town for the 10th through 15th
[09:49] <adamant1988> beuno: My concern is more a quality issue I suppose.  However, I've read some of the discussion on the mailing list and I'm more inclined to follow Richard's point of view.
[09:50] <beuno> Burgwork,  or pleasure?
[09:50] <beuno> aaah
[09:50] <beuno> again
[09:50] <Burgwork> beuno: work
[09:50] <beuno> Burgwork: business or pleasure?
[09:50] <beuno> :D
[09:50] <adamant1988> He makes some very valid points concerning the UWN/Fridge/Magazine
[09:50] <beuno> right, who else can push the UWN through the filter?
[09:51] <Burgwork> beuno: which filter?
[09:51] <beuno> ubuntu-news
[09:51] <Burgwork> it shoudl have gone through all ready
[09:51] <Burgwork> oh, I know why
[09:51] <Burgwork> mail archiving is reallyl really slow right now
[09:51] <adamant1988> beuno: Well his basic argument is that the news sections will be redundant.
[09:51] <beuno> adamant1988: just get the project rolling, you can always discuss different points of vew later on
[09:52] <Burgwork> beuno: it has gone through, it is just that mail archiving is currently 3 days behind
[09:52] <beuno> Burgwork: I meant for the one to be released on the 15th
[09:52] <Burgwork> ah, that
[09:52] <Burgwork> I can send you the password
[09:53] <adamant1988> beuno: at this point if I "get the project rolling" it will be ronnie's project and any attempts on my part to 'make it more official' would probably fall on deaf ears.
[09:53] <beuno> oh, that would be great, so someone can back you up  :D
[09:53] <beuno> adamant1988: I'm sure we can find a way, but I don't think "taking it from them" is the best approach
[09:54] <beuno> if they want "official" support, I'm sure they'll be more then happy to work with the marketing team
[09:55] <beuno> the project should be as open as possible, like all the rest
[09:55] <beuno> but of course, that's their call right now}
[09:55] <adamant1988> Yeah, if they don't want to work with us I'll search other channels.
[09:56] <beuno> adamant1988: I'm not sure that should be the approach right now, and I'm not even sure it *has* to be *our* project
[09:56] <mykalReborn> i'm sorry to butt in again. one idea would be to let "us" get this thing started a little and then let "us" help with the marketing of it... the thing is that it would be pretty hard for us to integrate into this whole marketing thing, with mailing lists and all
[09:56] <beuno> I'm fine with someone else doing it as long as they do a good job
[09:57] <adamant1988> beuno: that's my concern, we can't put make something "more official" if they're hacking up the ubuntu article, posting FUD, etc.
[09:57] <beuno> mykalReborn: absolutely, as I said before, anything we can do to help, we'll be glad to
[09:57] <Burgwork> mykalReborn: the problem with that is that if all the currently people drop off, you can kind of out of luck
[09:57] <Burgwork> this has happened twice with the UWN already
[09:57] <Burgwork> well, three times, mgalvin, myself and then cody
[09:57] <adamant1988> s/article/logo
[09:57] <mykalReborn> Burgwork:i see your point
[09:57] <Burgwork> thankfully, because it was an open project run by the marketing team, somebody could step up each time
[09:58] <mykalReborn> and that is a bit of an issue with open-source in general
[09:58] <Burgwork> non-official projects tend to just die, like the ubuntuvideo
[09:58] <adamant1988> I remember Ubuntu video
[09:58] <beuno> mykalReborn: maybe you should take a look at how the UWN is structured, check out how well it's documented
[09:58] <adamant1988> that was a good project.
[09:58] <beuno> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[09:59] <beuno> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/EditingPolicies
[09:59] <Burgwork> it also takes a long time to get that kind of information and documentation in place
[10:00] <mykalReborn> Burgwork: i'll take a look at UWN. maybe some other day because it's getting late and i have school tommorow:P
[10:00] <Burgwork> ok, sounds good
[10:00] <mykalReborn> i got the email and i see you say you don't have much time at your disposal
[10:01] <mykalReborn> to care for the magazine i  mean
[10:01] <mykalReborn> another way of doing this is to let us take care of the content, then give it to you for final suggestions and leave it up to you to distribute it since i'm sure you're pretty good at that
[10:02] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: I'm open to suggestions, but as it stands it's ronnie's call.
[10:02] <beuno> mykalReborn: that actually sounds pretty good
[10:02] <mykalReborn> yes it is
[10:02] <Burgwork> I say go and play and create content, but do it in a place that allows us to pick it up if people drop off
[10:02] <mykalReborn> Burgwork:that's a good idea
[10:03] <Burgwork> basically, that means putting content ont he wiki
[10:03] <mykalReborn> and i thing linuxgeeky, the one who's in charge of the website can do that
[10:04] <adamant1988> I suppose my concern is keeping the quality up.
[10:04] <mykalReborn> Burgwork:it's not a wiki, it's a drupal website, but i'm sure that giving our articles to you won't be any problem
[10:05] <mykalReborn> adam:that's why i said that you should be the last ones reviewing the mag... so we'll make sure it's good for the public
[10:05] <Burgwork> who hosts the drupal?
[10:05] <mykalReborn> the url is here:http://www.openfish.info/drupal/
[10:05] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: I somehow think Ronnie will not be as welcoming to the idea.
[10:05] <mykalReborn> but it's going to change tomorrow or pretty soon; freecirclemagazine.org i thing. but i'm not sure
[10:06] <mykalReborn> adamant1988: we will see when he'll get a chance to talk
[10:06] <mykalReborn> i'll send him an email with all the ideas that appeared here
[10:06] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: Yeah, just the vibe I'm getting from him is he would like marketing team member help but he wants absolute control of the project and so on.
[10:07] <adamant1988> I would much rather help them set up, get good quality control methods in place, and help them set standards on the quality of the magazine and then let them play
[10:08] <mykalReborn> adam:one way of getting ronnie not to be uset about this is if you would not use the word "play" anymore ;)
[10:09] <Burgwork> heh
[10:10] <adamant1988> mykalReborn: It's just an expression.
[10:11] <mykalReborn> adam:yes. i was making a joke :P
[10:15] <adamant1988> I've received a reply from Ronnie he seems more chilled out now
[10:19] <mariachi> lol *back*
[10:20] <mariachi> damn what's the past simple of the verb "to read" xD
[10:20] <mariachi> read ou readed?
[10:21] <mykalReborn> mariachi:lol. read
[10:21] <mykalReborn> to read, read, read
[10:21] <mariachi> lol ok thanks!
[10:21] <mariachi> heya ook
[10:24] <mariachi> i need a thinkpad if you find one tell me lol
[10:24] <adamant1988> mariachi: that's what I'm looking at right now
[10:24] <adamant1988> she wants a new one though
[10:25] <adamant1988> not a used machine, her mother bought her a used one and it JUST died
[10:25] <adamant1988> can't even boot from a CD anymore
[10:26] <mariachi> too bad I want an old one.. PIII or something like that
[10:26] <mariachi> just need to code html (learn it lol) and do some school works@school
[10:27] <adamant1988> mariachi: ebay is your best shot
[10:27] <mariachi> because those school computers are full of spy/adware and virues and whatsoever
[10:27] <mariachi> lol
[10:27] <adamant1988> Although you can really learn on anything.
[10:27] <mariachi> yeah but i dont have a lappy
[10:27] <mariachi> and that really helps
[10:27] <mariachi> @ the school breaks
[10:27] <adamant1988> I think my next machine is going to be a Lenovo
[10:27] <mariachi> when we don't have enything to do
[10:28] <adamant1988> they seem to be one of the best to buy from for Linux compatibility
[10:28] <mariachi> they are so expensive xD
[10:28] <mariachi> they are Vista ready designed though
[10:28] <mariachi> (don't forget to put your Powered by ubuntu badge next to the Vista one lol love that)
[10:28] <adamant1988> mariachi: My systems are powered by more than just Ubuntu :P
[10:28] <adamant1988> I'm currently running Fedora as I speak.
[10:30] <mariachi> i never tried anything else
[10:30] <mariachi> just xu and ubuntu
[10:30] <mariachi> and of course all the incarnations of windows
[10:31] <mariachi> from 3.11 onwards
[10:31] <mariachi> except pretty polly vista
[10:31] <adamant1988> I refuse to use Vista
[10:31] <mariachi> lol
[10:31] <adamant1988> I'm using this as my opportunity to rip myself from the last remnants of windows in my life
[10:31] <mariachi> all my friends think it's weird. Vista comes out, I go Ubuntu
[10:32] <adamant1988> she wants to keep it under $700, my thing is I'm looking for the most Intel parts I can find.
[10:32] <adamant1988> Eh. Ubuntu's safer and easier, why not?
[10:32] <mariachi> because they are stupid lol i showed them a couple of videos from YouTube about Beryl and they went wooooow... they just see the appearances of things
[10:33] <adamant1988> ugh
[10:33] <mariachi> they thought it was Vista btw
[10:33] <mariachi> lol
[10:33] <mariachi> xD
[10:33] <mariachi> "you wish"
[10:33] <adamant1988> The ThinkPads are the best to configure
[10:33] <adamant1988> but I can't get her a decent system without jacking the price up
[10:33] <mariachi> there is a Lenovo for 650$ @ their website
[10:34] <mariachi> from the R line
[10:34] <adamant1988> Well, yeah, I saw that
[10:34] <mariachi> it's the "poor" part of the family sort of speak
[10:34] <adamant1988> with 512 megs of ram and a single core processor
[10:39] <mariachi> what is she going to use anyway? 3d modelling or something? 684K should be enough for everyone
[10:39] <mariachi> lol
[10:39] <adamant1988> it's 604k
[10:40] <mykalReborn> the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy is on hbo right now. in romania anyways :D cheers everyone
[10:40] <mariachi> lol that :P
[10:43] <adamant1988> Well he seems a lot more interested after the email
[10:45] <mariachi> things just needed to be cleared out
[10:45] <jenda> aloha
[10:45] <mariachi> ;)
[10:46] <jenda> 684K should be enough for everyone?
[10:46] <jenda> Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers....
[10:46] <jenda> Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers...
[10:46] <jenda> Developers... :)
[10:47] <mariachi> lool
[10:47] <mariachi> quite xD i can't live with less than 128Mb
[10:47] <mariachi> and that's already hard enough
[10:47] <adamant1988> jenda: hello :P
[10:48] <adamant1988> I wonder if Wine can run J00st
[10:50] <Burgwork> beuno: you rock
[10:50] <adamant1988> beuno: what did you do now?
[10:51] <jenda> Burgwork: what did he do now? :)
[10:52] <Burgwork> see the latest post about the diy website
[10:52] <jenda> got it
[10:52] <jenda> finally :)
[10:52] <jenda> sweet
[10:53] <jenda> ooh, that needs a lot of work yet.
[10:56] <beuno> :D
[10:56] <jenda> here we areee :)
[10:56] <jenda> beuno: are you in a rush? :)
[10:57] <beuno> jenda: not really now, it's a holiday today here
[10:57] <beuno> so basically I'm still in my undies
[10:57] <jenda> I was just gonna email respond - I wrote this far: "Thank you! :)"
[10:57] <jenda> beuno: great, that's the time when I do most work for Ubuntu ;)
[10:57] <beuno> hehe, yeah, me too
[10:58] <beuno> thought I'd catch up a bit
[10:58] <jenda> If you have a few minutes to go over the site with me now or later, it'd be great... ;)
[10:58] <jenda> not sure which parts I should talk to you and which parts to Dan about...
[10:59] <beuno> jenda: I'm free, so whenever you want
[10:59] <jenda> ah, great :)
[10:59] <jenda> beuno: one thing is just screaming to be changed...
[11:00] <jenda> and that is... that it should be easier to see that what you're looking at is a list of items, and each of these items has a set of properties (Name, Producer, Price, etc)
[11:01] <jenda> I'm not sure how to achieve that particularly....
[11:01] <beuno> jenda: maybe a background color for each one?
[11:01] <jenda> maybe...
[11:01] <jenda> but looking at it now...
[11:01] <beuno> I'll change it and we can see
[11:01] <jenda> for example the first item.
[11:02] <jenda> I look at it and I'm not sure what the title is... not sure if "Julius Bloch (Germany)" is a title or if "how to order" is, and which one is the highest level, etc.
[11:02] <jenda> Perhaps something as simple as indentation and increasing some of the contrast could fix that...
[11:04] <jenda> beuno: would it be possible to have the name of the producer in the top right corner of each box, without a label (no "Author:")
[11:04] <beuno> jenda, sure
[11:04] <jenda> that would remove one confusing line from each one...
[11:04] <beuno> lemme play around with it for a bit
[11:04] <jenda> cool
[11:04] <jenda> and wtf is "feedback" supposed to mean at the bottom? :)
[11:05] <jenda> (should be 'shipping notes' or something to the effect)
[11:05] <beuno> jenda: probably, I guess you only see these things when the actual content is on there
[11:06] <jenda> yep...
[11:06] <jenda> (this particular page will probably not have much more content in the near future)
[11:08] <jenda> beuno: also, the top level title for each item is too low contrast...
[11:08] <jenda> I know these are tiny tech details, but they're the first things that hit my eye ;)
[11:12] <beuno> well, this isn't my expertise area, but I'll do my best
[11:12] <beuno> aaah, as expected, I broke everyhting
[11:12] <jenda> hah
[11:12] <jenda> revert, undo, rescue, salvage!
[11:12] <jenda> beuno: ok, i'll keep these things for dan ;)
[11:13] <beuno> jenda: I'll give it a few tries anyway
[11:13] <beuno> but I'm going to blame you no matter the outcome  :D
[11:14] <beuno> jenda: better?
[11:15] <jenda> almost ;)
[11:15] <beuno> just fixed the URL floating around
[11:15] <jenda> except, the person in the top right corner should be the one shipping, as it is more relevant to the buyer than the author.
[11:16] <jenda> There should be a note like "Artwork by ..."
[11:16] <jenda> in the cases where that applies (posters)
[11:18] <jenda> beuno: how about the font saying "Blue Ubuntu Polo Shirt" is dark and bold, while the fort saying Julius Bloch is brown and thin? :)
[11:18] <jenda> I'ts the title, it sohuld stand out.
[11:18] <beuno> jenda: uploaded the changes
[11:19] <beuno> not sure if you want me to play around with colors
[11:19] <beuno> everythin might end up black and white
[11:19] <jenda> haha
[11:19] <jenda> hm
[11:19] <beuno> Dan que play around with it all he wants though  ;)
[11:20] <jenda> beuno: I honestly have no idea. If that means, bug meatballhat about the visuals, good.
[11:20] <jenda> :)
[11:20] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:20] <jenda> ok
[11:20] <beuno> now what we need is more content for the other sections, and polish it a bit
[11:20] <jenda> hmm
[11:20] <jenda> yes.
[11:20] <beuno> jenda: yes, exactly that!
[11:20] <jenda> But...
[11:20] <jenda> it does look like a mess, honestly ;)
[11:20] <beuno> ha
[11:20] <beuno> yes, I agree
[11:21] <jenda> that'll be solved by shuffling the individual pieces of info around a bit.
[11:21] <jenda> minor concern.
[11:21] <beuno> but as any good programer, I just type code and make things go where they're suppose to
[11:21] <jenda> beuno: would it/will it ever be possible to order/sort/filter by the various fields?
[11:21] <beuno> so I'm passing the ball to dan
[11:21] <jenda> ok, cool
[11:21] <beuno> jenda: absolutely
[11:22] <jenda> I'll scream if he says you need to do more ;)
[11:22] <beuno> being able to do those things is the main idea that pushed us to do a custom development
[11:22] <beuno> jenda: heh, I'm sure he will  :p
[11:23] <jenda> ok, cool...
[11:23] <beuno> but at least we've move forward a few inches
[11:23] <jenda> beuno: so it would also be possible to have a submission form asking for Title, Author, Description, Price, etc?
[11:24] <jenda> (eventually)
[11:24] <beuno> jenda: yeap, np
[11:24] <jenda> beuno: oh, don't get me wrong, you did great work :)
[11:24] <beuno> that would go to a "needs approval" queue
[11:24] <beuno> jenda: nothing gotten wrong (?)
[11:24] <beuno> :D
[11:24] <jenda> hmm
[11:24] <jenda> maybe
[11:24] <jenda> :)
[11:25] <beuno> the final product has to be good no matter what, so let the critisism fly
[11:25] <jenda> I was thinking starting by an admin-only form.
[11:25] <jenda> hehe
[11:25] <beuno> jenda: the admin only forum is what I call the "backend"
[11:25] <jenda> oook
[11:25] <beuno> which is what I've gotten half through doing
[11:25] <beuno> and I'm avoiding
[11:25] <beuno> :D
[11:25] <jenda> make it a backend even jenda can use ;)
[11:25] <jenda> nah, I can learn pretty much anything you throw at me, if necessary ;)
[11:26] <beuno> lol, that's what's making me avoid it, heheh
[11:26] <beuno> I want it to be fail-proof
[11:26] <beuno> so it can easily be passed on
[11:27] <jenda> hehe :)
[11:27] <jenda> ok
[11:27] <beuno> and that means I have to resize and convert any time of image you throw at me, take care of any wierd caracters (like your last name)
[11:27] <beuno> etc etc etc
[11:27] <jenda> Well, stop avoiding it, and get to work :)
[11:27] <jenda> There's nothing weird with my last name :)
[11:27] <jenda> :)
[11:28] <beuno> theres an accent on a consonant, that's pretty weird where I come from"
[11:28] <beuno> although I lived in Poland for 5 years, so it's not that new to me :p