[00:01] <oerheks> CashDash123, use paste.ubuntu.com, post url, wait and see
[00:02] <CashDash123> I haven't tried myself,but any idea why this failed? https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.4.29/BUILD.LOG.i386
[00:07] <oerheks> dunno, maybe they dropped 32 bit kernels from mainline? i see no i386 in 5.5.14 too
[00:09] <Elodin> hello, most gnome applications i'm using are losing their top bar when going on fullscreen mode, have anyone seen a similar problem?
[00:10] <oerheks> with F11 ?
[00:10] <oerheks> that is normal behaviour.
[00:11] <Elodin> oerheks: so gedit is the outliner cuz when i put my mouse on top of the screen it shows as if it were a dropdown
[00:11] <CashDash123> doesn't mean I can't try and compile it myself,but that's proabably out of the offical support scope
[00:12] <Elodin> also system-monitor doens't hide its title bar at all
[00:17] <oerheks> ELon, just maximize?
[00:17] <oerheks> full screen is fun with video, or presentation.
[00:18] <Elodin> nah, ill open some ticket issues.
[00:21] <AlmarShenwan> sarnold: what to do with that? (grub menu)
[00:27] <Loimy> I am new to Ubuntu (and Linux more generally) and I have attempting to boot 18.04 from a laptop. Upon trying to run Ubuntu, the computer reports heat issues for the CPUs. Is there a solution to this?
[00:33] <troyready> Is anyone else able to sign the CLA at https://ubuntu.com/legal/contributors/agreement ? I submitted it (as an individual) some weeks ago but was never able to get the GitHub bot to verify that I had done it. Now the captcha at the bottom just looks like gibberish to me (issues has persisted for days, and is consistent in Chromium & Firefox)
[00:41] <pragmaticenigma> troyready: This channel is run by volunteers and is not monitored by those incharge of that application.
[00:44] <troyready> Anyone know if the CLA app is on launchpad, or what an appropriate support venue would be? I'm specifically trying to work with the snap dev team, but I'm not sure they own the app.
[00:45] <pragmaticenigma> you might be able to file a bug ticket on launchpad, that might get things moving along
[00:47] <Goop> How do you run a program when the Unity desktop starts?
[00:48] <pragmaticenigma> Loimy: The high heat warning is hardware issue. Likely because your computer has accumulated dust in the heat sink and isn't effectively able to cool itself. There are other possible scenarios, I would encourage you to open up the laptop and make sure the cooling fans, vents and heat sinks are free and clear of any dust and debrise (or find someone you now and trust to help you take apart your machine)
[00:48] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[00:48] <Goop> pragmaticenigma, 18.04 at the moment.
[00:48] <Goop> I am running Unity though.
[00:49] <Goop> lightdm/Unity
[00:50] <pragmaticenigma> I haven't run Unity in a long time, but there should be something called "Application Startup" I think, where you can configure programs to automatically start when you login
[00:50] <Goop> Before the login, when the desktop environment starts up.
[00:51] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: what kind of program?
[00:52] <Goop> pragmaticenigma, a program that controls the mouse/keyboard from the network.
[00:54] <pragmaticenigma> Goop: something like that is probably going to require authentication tokens to work properly, such tokens are usually not available until after successful login. You are aware that adding such a feature would leave your computer high vulnerable?
[00:54] <Goop> I might have it just run as a non-privileged user.
[01:08] <TJ-> Anyone seen mention of printing distortions when applications use the cairo PDF-1.5 producer backend vs when (e.g. Evince) uses the Ghostscript PDF-1.2 producer? I'm driving an Evolois Primacy ID Card printer and one Xubuntu 19.10 system suffers what I can only describe as mono-filter + 30' rotation + stretch of a regular 86x54mm card document.
[01:33] <gimmel> What would cause my ssh key passphrase to suddenly stop working? I have it saved in BitWarden, so I know it's correct.
[01:34] <gimmel> ^^ I just closed the terminal and re-opened, and it worked.  IT'S NEAR IMPOSSIBLE!!!
[01:59] <oerheks> !ops
[01:59] <thumbfinger> I just installed xubuntu on a Chromebook.  I can't find the config for my touchpad in the X11 folder to unfuck my touchpad, should I just create one from scratch or from a template?  Or can I force X to generate a default one?  My touchpad is an Elan touchpad.  I basically have to lay my entire fingertip across it for it to register.
[02:00] <dax> independent: let's not.
[02:01] <pragmaticenigma> thumbfinger: Please keep the language family friendly
[02:01] <Merc> so i noticed a kernel got installed the other day
[02:01] <independent> YOU CANT HACK MY SERVER sickvpn.iownyour.biz ADMIN 1qazZAQ!!@#$ I DEFY YOU!   There is no touchpad conf file there now.
[02:17] <sarnold> thumbfinger: yeah, that should work fine
[02:17] <thumbfinger> ok, thanks
[02:17] <sarnold> there's no need to make the full thing, just a small section should do the trick
[02:17] <sarnold> alas it's way harder to figure out what that ought to look like these days than it used to be, heh
[02:18] <sarnold> there's a command that'll dump the whole autogenerated config in proper format and everything but I can't ever recall what it is
[02:19] <thumbfinger> I was looking at something old or for another distro, my config is in the /usr/share not /etc/X11
[02:21] <sarnold> thumbfinger: xorg.conf(5) describes where they can be stored, it's a looooong list
[02:23] <Bashing-om> thumbfinger: Moved: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051343/where-is-the-xorg-conf-file-in-ubuntu-18-04 has some info.
[02:25] <thumbfinger> I think I should be good.  Just fixed the FingerLow and FingerHigh values, and everything works perfectly.  I think I still have to wait for sound.  Wish I had done research before buying an AMD Chromebook
[02:26] <thumbfinger> Might just use my USB headset
[02:28] <sarnold> even if you do your homework, there's always *something*
[03:55] <smegtor> h
[04:44] <nshire> is poweroff dangerous? I had a habit of using it and I'm wondering if it could have been a contributing factor in my broken initrd
[05:30] <jphilips> The #UbuntuTestingWeek has begun today, so all those interested to help improve the stability of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, please read this - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/testing-ubuntu-20-04-lts-official-ubuntu-flavors/14053
[05:57] <imi> hi, I added a command in my user's crontab using crontab -e, but it doesn't work. do I need to add my user to a specific group or something?
[06:07] <nshire> I guess mkinitrd has been deprecated
[06:07] <nshire> should I just do mcinitramfs?
[06:46] <SailorReality> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RfVp-GhKfs
[06:49] <nshire> I don't understand
[06:50] <nshire> I mounted something under /mnt/proc earlier, but when I "umount /mnt/proc" I get the following "no mount point specified"
[06:50] <nshire> do I need to un-chroot or something?
[06:58] <nshire> oh god I think I broke everything by forgetting to exit from chroot
[07:02] <nshire> nice my dualboot windows option is now gone
[07:02] <nshire> very cool
[07:18] <elementxlterra> 0.o
[07:45] <Industrial> Hi.
[07:45] <Industrial> Every time I close my laptop lid, my xmodmap is reset
[07:45] <Industrial> and I have to run `xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap`
[07:45] <Industrial> why?
[07:46] <calamity> hey I'm trying to convert ubuntu desktop to ubuntu server and I'm getting "Unable to locate package linux-server" when I try to install that. Any idea why?
[07:47] <r3dux> calamity: Im not sure if you can cross upgrade.. did you try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade <distro>" ?
[07:48] <calamity> no, but I'm following https://edge2.blogspot.com/2017/04/convert-ubuntu-desktop-to-server.html
[07:50] <r3dux> did you already install tasksel?
[07:50] <calamity> yup
[07:52] <r3dux> are you getting the error when running  sudo tasksel install server or sudo apt-get install linux-server linux-image-server ?
[07:53] <calamity> only on "sudo apt-get install linux-server linux-image-server"
[07:56] <r3dux> I think you may need to add a specific repo.. I can't locate with "linux-image-server" with "apt search linux-server"
[07:57] <calamity> Weird that they wouldn't specify that
[07:59] <calamity> I would normally just do a fresh reinstall but I'm working with some very bad hardware that seems to struggle with reading from USB
[08:00] <r3dux> I agree.... I do see in the comments someone else mentioned the same issue though..
[08:00] <calamity> yeah, I noticed that too. :\
[08:00] <r3dux> I would be wary about a cross upgrade though. I woul dbe worried about things breaking or missing important packages.
[08:01] <r3dux> Maybe someone else will chime in with an answer. But its always safest to do a fresh install to avoid future issues.
[08:02] <calamity> yeah. I'm gonna see if I can find a usb stick that it doesn't object to haha
[08:02] <r3dux> hahaha, may the force be with you
[08:04] <calamity> thanks haha
[08:06] <r3dux> calamity: have a look at this thread before installing server to make sure that it is for sure something you want to do https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2114629
[08:08] <calamity> It's going to be sitting on a shelf running a bunch of web and media servers.
[08:09] <r3dux> you're good then.
[08:31] <SpeedrunnerG55> I can’t click on anything except the side bar
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: wich ubuntu version please?
[08:33] <SpeedrunnerG55> 18.04
[08:33] <SpeedrunnerG55> I can also click the top bar
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: is your graphics driver installed correctly?
[08:33] <SpeedrunnerG55> Yes
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: can you still upload your dmesg to pastebin?
[08:34] <SpeedrunnerG55> Where is that?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: type dmesg in terminal
[08:34] <SpeedrunnerG55> Can I do it in terminal?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[08:36] <SpeedrunnerG55> Is there a command to upload tot paste in?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> !pastebinit | SpeedrunnerG55
[08:37] <SpeedrunnerG55> Got it
[08:37] <SpeedrunnerG55> speed@Asimov:~$ dmesg > dmesg.txtspeed@Asimov:~$ pastebinit dmesg.txt http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GGq8KZpvpQ/speed@Asimov:~$
[08:39] <cengiz_io> (I asked this already in #ubuntu-bugs but wanted to share it here aswell). hello. hello there. please tell me if this isn't the right channel for this question. in order to convince my team to switch to 18.04 LTS from 14.04 LTS, I need a general idea of how many possible bug fixes done in launchpad. I have access to launchpad for many years but I
[08:39] <cengiz_io> couldn't construct a query for my purpose. can someone help? ubuntu will run on a mini pc with amd64 architecture, hopefully at least 5 years without intervention. it's a medical ventilator to help combat COVID-19 patients. so the uptime and reproducibility is critical.
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: this looks weird: NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:01:00): 31, Ch 0000005e, intr 10000000. MMU Fault: ENGINE GRAPHICS HUBCLIENT_FE faulted @ 0x1_20381000. Fault is of type FAULT_PTE ACCESS_TYPE_WRITE
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: can you pastebin: sudo lshw -C video too please
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: did things get unstable after a hibernate/suspend?
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: 14.04 is end of life by now, unless you pay for ESM with ubuntu advantage
[08:43] <SpeedrunnerG55> Elite dangerous crashed and I had to kill the proces
[08:43] <SpeedrunnerG55> but I can’t click anything after it closed
[08:44] <cengiz_io> lotuspsychje the first thing I mentinoned was that. but you know some folks are very conservative
[08:44] <cengiz_io> maybe if I can get some objective numbers like bugs fixed, critical things resolved etc, I can convince them further. it's a daunting task
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> cengiz_io: come join #ubuntu-discuss please
[08:45] <cengiz_io> ok
[08:45] <SpeedrunnerG55> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xsWzQyxSyc/
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: ok, so thats weird your intel card isnt recognized on your optimus card
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: try to switch an nvidia driver, check: ubuntu-drivers list
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: you can see current driver with: nvidia-smi
[08:50] <SpeedrunnerG55> Is that what you wanted?
[08:50] <SpeedrunnerG55> Oh sry I didn’t see you responded till now
[08:52] <SpeedrunnerG55> | NVIDIA-SMI 415.27       Driver Version: 415.27
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: ok, install a higher driver version please, from ubuntu-drivers list
[08:53] <SpeedrunnerG55> With apt?
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: your choice, apt or software & updates
[08:54] <SpeedrunnerG55> I can’t click anything so apt
[08:56] <SpeedrunnerG55> Done
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: reboot
[08:58] <SpeedrunnerG55> Oh btw, it still says “kubuntu” when I reboot, even tho I tried uninstalling it
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: you installed kubuntu-desktop ontop ubuntu-desktop?
[08:58] <SpeedrunnerG55> like I did apt install kubuntu desktop, but then apt uninstall kubuntu-desktop but it’s still there
[08:59] <SpeedrunnerG55> yes
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: yeah, we reccomend when liking a !flavour of ubuntu, install the flavour clean cause testing the desktop is fine, but uninstalling will make your system mixed
[09:00] <SpeedrunnerG55> Can I remove it?
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: wont be easy getting your system vanilla, will probably take more time, then a nice clean reinstall
[09:15] <SpeedrunnerG55> Rebooted
[09:15] <SpeedrunnerG55> Is there anything els I should do? I can click things now
[09:28] <calamity> Well, I got ubuntu server installed. I don't seem to have internet access, which is weird cos I downloaded updates via the wifi when I was installing
[09:29] <eliyahuTBR> (rhythmbox:18029): Gtk-WARNING **: 12:26:04.261: actionhelper: action app.play-shuffle can't be activated due to parameter type mismatch (parameter type NULL, target type b) - any ideas as to why my rhythmbox stopped working?
[09:36] <calamity> I'm just gonna give up on this and wait until I can afford a new raspberry pi.
[09:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> SpeedrunnerG55: wich driver is active now?
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> calamity: try #ubuntu-server if you like
[09:48] <calamity> lotuspsychje, good idea, thanks.
[09:55] <greyman1> Hi, I have a problem that I couldn't find any solutions on forums and documentation. I am not sure if this is the right place to ask. I have reecently upgraded to Ubuntu 19.10 from ubuntu 18.04. My machine is a lenovo x220. The mute and microfon led indicators were working on ubuntu 18.04 but aren't working anymore on ubuntu 19.10. I have check if there was a physical error with the led's but it
[09:55] <greyman1> all works when booting. Can anyone help with this issue or can you tell me where I should go for help. One of the suggestions was to mute-led function in alsamixer but I do not have that option işn my alsamixer
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> greyman1: wich kernel are you on please?
[10:01] <greyman1> lotuspsychje: 5.3.0-28-generic
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> greyman1: update your system first please
[10:03] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | greyman1
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> greyman1: after updates and reboot, see if your issue persist
[10:04] <greyman1> lotuspsychje: thank you
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[10:28] <greyman> lotuspsychje: I have done all the steps and rebooted without any luck and checked kernel is still the same
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> greyman: so i assume you are on kernel <IP_ADDRESS>.38 now?
[10:30] <greyman> when I type "uname -r" it is still "5.3.0-28-generic"
[10:30] <m2_teknix> Is there an easier\lighter way to search & open a desktop application. The default way - pressing super key & searching for the app triggers a lot of animations and often when enough resources are not available, the system freezes. So I am looking for way to search & open an application with minimum animations involved.
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> greyman: no, that doesnt seem to be correct for 19.10
[10:31] <greyman> lotuspsychje: I checked with software center as well and it said software up to date
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> greyman: did you enter the command like adviced on the factoid? sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[10:33] <greyman> lotuspsychje: yes, I did. let me do it again if that does not fix it I'll try to manually upgrade the kernell
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> m2_teknix: there is an indicator classicmenu-indicator if you like, that gives you a lightweight menu on the top panel
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> greyman: manually?
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator | m2_teknix
[10:34] <greyman> lotuspsychje: yes with UKUU app
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> greyman: please dont use ukuu
[10:34] <calamity> hey all https://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/connect-wifi-terminal-ubuntu-16-04/ -- I'm trying this, but i'm stuck on " iwconfig wlan0 essid <name> key <password>". My wifi name is "salt & pepper"., password is "bananarama". when I try to set it, I get "error for wireless request "set encode" SET failed on device (wifiname) Invalid ARgument
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> plz no crosspost in 2 ubuntu channels calamity
[10:35] <calamity> sure
[10:35] <greyman> lotuspsychje: ok will  do the command you suggested again see what will happen
[10:38] <m2_teknix> lotuspsychje: Is this a part of gnome-classic. Just curious.
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> m2_teknix: not really, indicators available can run on various panels that are gnome based, like unity, gnome,..
[10:39] <m2_teknix> lotuspsychje: so what do I do to enable it?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> m2_teknix: install it, logout and back in and it will add on your panel
[10:39] <greyman> lotuspsychje:I got the following output "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded."  and "libsnmp30" was left out
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> greyman: can you pastebin your sources.list please?
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> !sources | greyman
[10:46] <der-eichi> hello together. is there a way to use a android smartphone conneted with latest ubuntu to make calls via ubuntu laptop?
[10:48] <der-eichi> I only find gnokii for outdated nokia phones and KDE connect but I dont know if its works and needs a qt libraries
[10:53] <greyman> lotuspsychje: paste binned it hopefully done it correctly
[11:00] <jeremy31> greyman: post the URL
[11:01] <mplsjoker> what's it mean when I boot my laptop and it says mounting '/dev/sda2' on real root? and it happens no matter the distro I boot
[11:04] <greyman> jeremy31:https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MkvVHztPMq/
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> greyman: i bet your kernels are scrambled due to ukuu
[11:09] <greyman> lotuspsychje:never used it just found out about it after the kernel did not update
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> greyman: can you pastebin the whole output of: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[11:10] <greyman> sure
[11:11] <greyman> lotuspsychje: here it is:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RywK9S7sNJ/
[11:12] <lotuspsychje> greyman: and pastebin: dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[11:14] <greyman> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Skh77PsY36/
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> greyman: check you software&updates please see if you have 'main' and 'universe' enabled
[11:17] <greyman> lotuspsychje: yes they are both enabled
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> greyman: your previous paste didnt show them
[11:19] <greyman> lotuspsychje: we are talking about the ubuntu software tab right? " canonical supported.....(main) and community maintaned .....(universe)
[11:20] <greyman>  lotuspsychje: if thats the case it was enabled
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:22] <MapMan> Hi! So the -42 kernel ALSA/sound regressions are still not fixed in -45?
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> MapMan: should be, do you still encounter them?
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> greyman: think you need to doublecheck your sources, something is blocking your updates
[11:37] <MapMan> lotuspsychje: unfortunately, yes
[11:37] <MapMan> Just rebooted back into -40 and sound is back
[11:38] <greyman> lotuspsychje: thank you
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> MapMan: dont see a fix here yet bug #1867803
[11:39] <MapMan> lotuspsychje: ok, makes sense thanks
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> MapMan: maybe its worth mentioning a new comment -45 also not work?
[11:41] <SeeM2> Hi.
[11:43] <SeeM2> I recenyly updated apache on 18.04 and found, that /etc/apache2/mods-available/proxy.load file was empty, which prevented fcgi module to load and apache failed to start. Anyone had this problem recently? I'm pretty sure that I didn't truncate this file by hand.
[13:39] <z4kst4r> When I am speaking on emails with the developers in my company. They do such fancy quotes of text in the emails, as if they actually presenting a website not an email. I use Thunderbird and do not know how I can do such fancy quotes. How can one do that?
[13:40] <kxsl> dont
[13:40] <grawity> what email app are they using?
[13:41] <grawity> also, sounds like a pain to read on mobile devices
[13:41] <z4kst4r> I have no idea, if they are using some email client. We have Gmail.
[13:41] <grawity> open the message's headers and check
[13:41] <StevenJayCohen> Is there any way to fix the Hide Top Bar extension so that it stays in front of the dock when both are showing? For me in 19.10 it's showing up behind the dock.
[13:42] <kostkon> z4kst4r, well it's most likely html
[13:44] <StevenJayCohen> When it shows up behind the dock Activities is hidden by the edge of the Dock
[13:51] <RadSurfer> someone was claiming Control Print Screen could be used to reboot from a lock-up... how does that work again?
[13:52] <kostkon> !reisub
[13:54] <halvors> my computer is really slow when mounting root in initramfs, is it possible to see the log after boot?
[14:00] <halvors> I get this error on boot: ln: /tmp/mountroot-fail-hooks.d/scripts/init-premount/lvm2: No suck file or directory
[14:00] <halvors> I'm not using lvm ata ll
[14:00] <halvors> at all*
[14:06] <pragmaticenigma> halvors, it's not that you're not using it, it's still loaded in order to check if a volume is an lvm volume. If you have added volumes to your fstab, you'll want to make sure the correct filesystem type is applied
[14:14] <KeezA> @tds This is my first attempt at iptables
[14:15] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: my volumes is btrfs and vfat, by volumes you mean filesystems not lvm volumes?
[14:16] <KeezA> @tds I will lookup the FORWARD rule now
[14:16] <donavan01> if I just want to set up a VM with ubuntu as a file server .... should I install server version or desktop ... yeah I know the question sound obvious ... but my linux skills arent the greatest when it comes to command line stuff and didnt know if server had gui subsystem installed of if its just text based
[14:16] <tds> i think you're in the wrong channel KeezA!
[14:21] <drspastic> hi, does anyone know the definitive solution to the clipboard issue? half the time cut paste wont work, then every few times it freezes the whole system for 30 seconds or so. its actually doing this on kubuntu vm, and kde debian on the host machine. is this a kde issue? i see so many articles about this happening on various linux flavours and
[14:21] <drspastic> within specific apps, but for me its across the board and really doing my head in!! please help me
[14:22] <mohit006> Hi ubuntu 19.10
[14:23] <mohit006> Please help
[14:27] <mohit006> Wifi conncted but cannot connect to the internet
[14:27] <drspastic> mohit006: can you get an ip?
[14:28] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: my /etc/fstab looks like this. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QrX8jchGMt/
[14:28] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: The error looks like the lvm2 script is missing from initramfs?
[14:29] <mohit006> Sorry i am new to this
[14:31] <mohit006> Please guude through terminal
[14:31] <mohit006> Guide*
[14:32] <drspastic> mohit006: try ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> mohit006, It appears that someone with knowledge about or to try and help you with your situation may not be available at this moment. Please don't keep messaging the channel asking if anyone can help, instead patiently wait. It does help if you can provide more information about your setup as well as details on how you setup your machine. The more information you can provide (ideally in a single one line posting) will help other
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> volunteers see your request and be able to accurately help you.
[14:34] <pragmaticenigma> halvors, this is a bit out of my knowledge base. have you removed packages from your system or made any changes since it last booted successfully?
[14:35] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: It does boot successfully, it's just that it takes a long time, seems like it's trying and then failing reaching a timeout limit.
[14:35] <halvors> pragmaticenigma: But thx for your input anyway :)
[14:58] <drspastic> hi, does anyone know the definitive solution to the clipboard issue? half the time cut paste wont work, then every few times it freezes the whole system for 30 seconds or so. its actually doing this on kubuntu vm, and kde debian on the host machine. is this a kde issue? i see so many articles about this happening on various linux flavours and
[14:58] <drspastic> within specific apps, but for me its across the board and really doing my head in!! please help me
[15:14] <Bey0ndB1nary> Hi All
[15:14] <Bey0ndB1nary> I've an issue with Menu background color for many apps in My Ubuntu laptop.
[15:14] <Bey0ndB1nary> I am using "pop-dark-slim" theme and tried many things, but the issue did not get resolved.
[15:15] <Bey0ndB1nary> Where can i upload an image, so that someone from here can understand what the problem is and suggest a solution.
[15:23] <pavlos> Bey0ndB1nary: upload to imgur.com
[15:29] <masteroman> Just a quick question. I've noticed some issues with Root-on-ZFS installer on daily Focal image. Where might be the right place to report such issue with more details?
[15:29] <psymin> #ubuntu+1
[15:33] <ShawnMcCool> Sorry to bother, can someone instruct me on the best way to install a package from launchpad that doesn't seem to have a ppa? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smenu I downloaded a .deb and it was missing some dependency and I'm not sure how to handle this in ubuntu. I only really know Arch these days. I'm assuming that there's some way to install with 'apt install' and it would install the dependency? I'm
[15:33] <ShawnMcCool> feeling pretty lost.
[15:34] <psymin> I'm just a user, but maybe "sudo apt --fix-broken install" might pull in those dependencies?  Depending on how you tried installing the deb.
[15:36] <popey> ShawnMcCool what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[15:41] <ShawnMcCool> 18.04
[15:43] <ioria> that  pkg is available for 18.10 and on ShawnMcCool : if i may don't use the eoan or disco .deb on bioni , you might try to build it from source (https://salsa.debian.org/mcy-guest/smenu)
[15:47] <popey> Yeah, that package is just not available for 18.04 unfortunately.
[16:02] <ShawnMcCool> k thanks
[16:10] <risho> orry if this is against the rules but are we expecting the beta release to come out today? or has it been delayed? i'm asking because i was thinking about trying out 20.04 and I'll wait for the beta release if it's going to come out, but if not I'll just grab a daily
[16:10] <oerheks> risho, correct, *the beta*  should be released today
[16:11] <risho> cool, thanks a lot!
[16:11] <oerheks> no daily live today either.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[16:16] <oerheks> risho, from the 'team'; Looks like ubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-mate, ubuntu-budgie, ubuntustudio will get respun beta candidate images in a bit, to get a zfs fix in
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> There's plenty of "today" left.
[16:17] <risho> sorry to be clear i wasn't trying to be demanding. i just know that due to the state of things that things could have been pushed back in which case i was going to grab a daily
[16:18] <risho> but if a beta was imminent i'd just wait
[16:18] <Eickmeyer> risho: The current dailies do not represent the beta. I'd just wait. We are waiting on respins.
[16:18] <risho> yeah that's what i'll do, thanks
[16:56] <wr> on ubuntu 14.04 xfce what will be the shortcut key to open xfce-terminal?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> wr: 14.04 is end of life, support can continue only with ESM
[17:01] <wr> lotuspsychje, i know but it still has a shortcut key
[17:01] <tugapower> anyone here on 20.04 that use Filezilla ?
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> tugapower: come join at #ubuntu+1 please
[17:02] <thebiffman_> Im also interested in trying the beta... Is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/ the best place to see if its released or are there some other place (blog, news etc) where I should keep an eye?
[18:27] <wr> on ubuntu what is shortcut keyboard command to open the terminal?
[18:29] <sarnold> try control T or windows T
[18:29] <zutat> ctrl+alt+t
[18:40] <Aryan> is it possible to tunnel all traffic with ShadowSocks?
[18:45] <svmpenguin> What up
[18:45] <pavlos> read here ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadowsocks
[18:45] <TheFu> wr, the answer depends on the DE and version of Ubuntu being run.  Google "Xubuntu Desktop Guide" <--- change Xubuntu to the DE you are running.
[19:20] <NewToLubuntu> anyone up to helping me unlock my external harddrive? I'm sorta stuck on step 3 of https://github.com/geekhaidar/WD-Passport-Unlock-Linux
[19:21] <NewToLubuntu> I don't think I passworded it or anything, I just can't run an .exe since I switched from vista to lubuntu and realized I can't get my files until I work around
[19:21] <sarnold> one problem at a time
[19:21] <sarnold> NewToLubuntu: "can't run an exe" -- what does this mean?
[19:26] <nshire> so I generated a new initramfs and I'm still getting stuck after loading kernel
[19:27] <nshire> in recovery mode, immediately after the grub menu the only things are "loading kernel..." and on the next line "loading initramfs"
[19:31] <wr> TheFu, it is xfce
[19:31] <TheFu> What number?
[19:33] <oerheks> on ubuntu 14.04 xfce
[19:34] <oerheks> he has been told to upgrade, 14.04 is dead, EOL
[19:34] <oerheks> those machines should be off the internet
[19:35] <TheFu> oerheks, scary.
[19:37] <TheFu> wr, time to wipe and start clean with 18.04 or perhaps 19.10, with a plan to move to 20.04 in about a month.
[19:38] <kostkon> !info firefox trusty
[19:40] <oerheks> is that the -esm version?
[19:41] <TheFu> oerheks, do desktops have esm support?
[19:42] <sarnold> TheFu: this is the list of supported packages for trusty-esm https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cve-tracker/tree/trusty-esm-supported.txt
[19:43] <oerheks> TheFu, yes, paid and members have some number of licences too
[19:44] <oerheks> but really, one must have a reason to run that.
[19:44] <oerheks> !esm
[19:45] <TheFu> If that list is it, I'm not seeing xfce or lxde or firefox.  Looks like servers stuff, which would be expected.
[19:46] <Spock_ncc1701> hi all, I'm on 19.10, 5.3.0-45-generic, trying to find a working solution for my non working Intel Wireless-AC 9462
[19:48] <TheFu> xubuntu's website says, 18.04 and 19.10. On the right side, it clearly shows 16.04 is EOL.
[19:48] <puff> TheFu:  Funny you should mention that, that's why I'm here.
[19:48] <oerheks> xubuntu gives 3 years, indeed
[19:49] <puff> A friend emailed me for some advice on installation, he's trying to install 16.04 and he gets a black screen with just this error:  Error parsing PCC subspaces from PCCT
[19:49] <puff> Of course the first thing I asked is why 16.04, I've been telling him it's out of support.
[19:50] <puff> He seems to be Not Getting It, so I thought I'd ask here about what the implications are, so I can scare him into doing the right thing.
[19:50] <oerheks> Spock_ncc1701, with intel wireless, one could use the backports ppa, https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi?field.series_filter=eoan
[19:50] <sarnold> ubuntu 16.04 is still in standard support for another year -- different flavours may have chosen to stop supporting their 16.04 versions, of course
[19:52] <Spock_ncc1701> oerheks, thanks. is there an official solution?
[19:52] <puff> sarnold: Ah, thanks.
[19:53] <puff> sarnold: I would have sworn I saw some notice about its support window ending.
[19:55] <sarnold> puff: the big handy table of end of support dates is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[19:56] <sarnold> puff: it doesn't mention the flavours, though, which is unfortunate, but may be helpful
[19:58] <oerheks> Spock_ncc1701, one could build the github ..
[19:59] <Spock_ncc1701> oerheks, do you know there will be an official fix soon?
[19:59] <Spock_ncc1701> if*
[19:59] <oerheks> nope
[20:00] <Spock_ncc1701> thanks
[20:00] <dmdf> hi guys, how do you turn on hardware acceleration for intel HD graphic in 18.04 ?
[20:00] <oerheks> we did got a firmware update lately, no idea which fixes were in there
[20:01] <dmdf> simple browsing is running CPU off the chart :(
[20:01] <Spock_ncc1701> my system is fully updated. they probably didn't add this fix :\
[20:03] <dmdf> @_@
[20:03] <dmdf> nobody up
[20:04] <oerheks> dmdf, what intel HD version?
[20:04] <oerheks> intel is standard supported, but gen 3 is not a youtube monster
[20:05] <dmdf> oerheks: intel GMA 4500MHD
[20:05] <dmdf> oerheks: which gen is that
[20:06] <dmdf> oerheks: and i wasn't even running youtube
[20:06] <dmdf> just simple google docs etc...
[20:06] <dmdf> oerheks: these are the only 2 supported profile
[20:06] <dmdf> vainfo: Supported profile and entrypoints
[20:06] <dmdf>       VAProfileMPEG2Simple            : VAEntrypointVLD
[20:06] <dmdf>       VAProfileMPEG2Main              : VAEntrypointVLD
[20:07] <dmdf> :/
[20:07] <dmdf> I think it does have other capabilities but somehow it's not turned on properly
[20:08] <dmdf> i've installed i965-va-driver-shaders intel-gpu-tools va-driver-all beignet-opencl-icd mesa-vulkan-drivers vulkan-utils mesa-utils mesa-utils-extra  libva-glx2
[20:08] <dmdf> none of them make it any much better
[20:08] <sarnold> dmdf: what's using all your cpu? I've heard of some terrible display connection protocol that sucks up a whole cpu
[20:09] <dmdf> sarnold: firefox
[20:09] <dmdf> chrome
[20:09] <dmdf> sarnold: firefox chrome and zoom
[20:09] <sarnold> ah, then probably not the displaylink or whatever that was
[20:09] <dmdf> sarnold: this is a fresh install 18.04
[20:09] <oerheks> that 2008 intel surely had issues ..and with the intel-microcode to fix huge bugs, performance may vary..
[20:10] <oerheks> maybe it is a cooling issue.
[20:10] <dmdf> oerheks: what intel-microcode ?
[20:11] <oerheks> intel-microcode: Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs
[20:13] <dmdf> oerheks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units from this page it shows my card support AVC/H264
[20:13] <dmdf> it's GM45
[20:13] <dmdf> but i can't turn it on
[20:15] <dmdf> oerheks: Package: intel-microcode
[20:15] <dmdf> Version: 3.20191115.1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:17] <oerheks> "GMA 4500 series and newer GPUs up to Coffee Lake are supported by libva-intel-driver."
[20:19] <dmdf> oerheks: and where is that at ?
[20:19] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver ??
[20:19] <oerheks> and key is to share as max mem in your bios
[20:20] <felco> i've experiencing something weird... after a reboot I can't login for a while, it just loops back to the login screen(this is a desktop install, default gnome desktop). But after 5 minutes if I try again, I can get to the desktop.
[20:20] <dmdf> oerheks: what do you mean share as max mem in bios ?
[20:21] <felco> Something about this, is that if I quick get to console and startx, it shows up my desktop empty and after a while it locks the screen looping Authentication error.
[20:21] <dmdf> oerheks: shared memory for video ?
[20:21] <oerheks>  memory setting for the GPU in your bios
[20:21] <oerheks> jups
[20:21] <dmdf> oerheks: there's no memory setting for that. it's an old dell latitude
[20:22] <oerheks> check for a biosupdate? sometimes it unlocks features..
[20:22] <blb4393> did someone try to do-release-upgrade to 20.04 beta? Was something broken?
[20:23] <oerheks> blb4393, please join #ubuntu+1 for Focal beta
[20:23] <dmdf> oerheks: that libva-intel-driver results in i965-va-driver which is already installed
[20:23] <dmdf> oerheks: so that's why i was scratching my head
[20:24] <dmdf> oerheks: i will try that
[20:27] <grkblood13> whenever I plug in my tf card it mounts a root 755. ive tried sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/sdb1 but the same thing happens. i cant write unless i become root.
[20:28] <dmdf> oerheks: current bios at 32, latest is 34. fixes in the new ones are on 1. Enhance System Security.
[20:28] <grkblood13> ive formatted/repartitioned a few time with gparted trying to resolve this
[20:28] <dmdf> oerheks: lol :)
[20:30] <oerheks> good find
[20:33] <oerheks> still, the fixes in the meltdown, etc can give a problem, one *cannot* undo this with pti=off spectre_v2=off l1tf=off nospec_store_bypass_disable no_stf_barrier
[20:33] <oerheks> grinn
[20:49] <pavlos> grkblood13: did you format the tf card as fat32 or ntfs ?
[21:04] <puff> sarnold: Thanks.
[21:20] <dmdf> oerheks: frome glxinfo     Video memory: 1536MB
[21:20] <dmdf> oerheks: so yeah that is a big chunk out of the 4gb ram
[21:21] <dmdf> oerheks: i honestly cannot see what else could be the problem
[21:21] <dmdf> and/or needed to be installed
[21:27] <depeche> hi I got ubuntu today, I have a problem it is not going to click right / left with the touchpad
[21:28] <depeche> with the mouse goes
[21:30] <faceface> hello
[21:31] <faceface> I'm just building a VM from ubuntu-18.04.4-live-server-amd64.iso ... seems to be talking about snap... Is that the new package manager in ubuntu?
[21:31] <faceface> (I've been using mint for ages)
[21:32] <faceface> also, within qemu, does it matter that the server can't see the wan?
[21:32] <oerheks> yes, snaps are mixed with deb packages now.
[21:32] <oerheks> !snap
[21:33] <oerheks> mint might give that too
[21:34] <faceface> oerheks: yes, once I used one once, mint now offers snap install when I type a missing command
[21:36] <faceface> A while back I was trying to install bitcoin via apt, and the version was old so I switched to snap... someone told me the app maintainer was malicious
[21:36] <faceface> packaging malware
[21:36] <faceface> My feeling was that the apt repo was higher qc than snap
[21:36] <faceface> not sure if that's substantiated
[21:38] <oerheks> well, some developers did not want the PPA route anymore, and direct delivery.
[21:39] <oerheks> it is the same issue; trust the owner.
[21:40] <sarnold> faceface: the apt version was apparently not interoperable with the rest of bitcoin world
[21:40] <faceface> oerheks: right... but google app store and apple do a lot of automatic malware detection and bug bounties (for example)
[21:41] <faceface> sarnold: mainly the apt version is very out of date
[21:41] <faceface> just installing this iso... taking ages!
[21:41] <faceface> slowly filling the qcow
[21:42] <sarnold> if you click on the little triangle next to the 1ubuntu0.2 version here, you can see when bitcoin was yanked from apt https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin
[21:42] <faceface> it's so easy to build from source these days
[21:43] <sarnold> there was a conversation oabout the snaps here, but none of this made sense to me :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapstore/+bug/1803914
[21:43] <oerheks> carefull with npm and pip too ...
[21:45] <faceface> Yeah, I remember the story... no clean solution imho
[21:46] <faceface> imagine apache forked it's code base... say microsoft decided to fork the project. Then imagine microsoft just decided to keep calling it apache, and claimed that it /was/ apache
[21:46] <faceface> and apache would be like... what?
[21:46] <faceface> And then assume that there is 100 million dollars riding on the project in the hands of the users
[21:46] <faceface> its messy
[22:07] <clementefnc> Hello everyone; I've a problem on my ubuntu server machine. Yesterday it stopped comunicating to internet but I don't know why because I did'n modified anything (as far as I've noticed). Now I can SSH into the server, ping local devices, but can't do anything to communicate to external world. This is my iptable atm  https://pastebin.com/S297mbB7 Thank you in advance
[22:07] <bitblit> when i run add-apt-repository it just hangs forever..
[22:07] <faceface> clementefnc: what does ifconfig say?
[22:07] <faceface> clementefnc: so you can't ping www.google.com?
[22:08] <clementefnc> @faceface this is ifconfig result https://pastebin.com/VPMcUjsM and I can't ping www.google.com nor <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:11] <sarnold> clementefnc: you should probably use ip addr, ip route, etc, instead; I think the tools you are using aren't showing you the full details of your configuration
[22:12] <clementefnc> sarnold: here you are https://pastebin.com/XcVzsS8F
[22:15] <n-iCe> is this the way to install java? apt install openjdk-14-jre-headless
[22:15] <sarnold> clementefnc: curious, I wonder why you appear to have two default routes..
[22:17] <clementefnc> sarnold: which one are you referring to? can I delete one of them maybe? To be honest I've never had to handle this sort of stuff so I don't know what to do or how
[22:17] <faceface> I'm building a VM using and ISO like this: qemu-system-x86_64 -cdrom ubuntu-18.04.4-live-server-amd64.iso -hda ubuntu.qcow2 -boot d -m 1024
[22:18] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openjdk-14-jre-headless
[22:18] <oerheks> eoan and focal beta
[22:18] <faceface> It's currently on the final step, "downloading and installing security updates"
[22:18] <pavlos> clementefnc: your broadcast address seems iffy ...
[22:18] <faceface> IME, guest OSs in 'vanilla' qemu can't see the WAN, i.e. this step will fail...
[22:19] <sarnold> clementefnc: good question. I wonder, 'ip route del default dev enp0s7 scope link'  -- what's that do? :) (please make sure you can talk to the machine locally before doing this, just in case it yanks you off the network entirely)
[22:19] <faceface> should I simply, "cancel update and reboot", or should I give it some time since the spinner is spinning....
[22:20] <clementefnc> sarnold: now I can't access phisically the machine because it's downstairs locked in a room i don't have keys, btw if i brake it isn't a big problem; gonna try your command
[22:20] <faceface> the hda isn't growing...
[22:21] <clementefnc> sarnold: ok command sent; should I reboot now?
[22:21] <sarnold> clementefnc: no, retest :)
[22:22] <sarnold> clementefnc: ip route and ip addr and so on only affect the running system
[22:23] <clementefnc> sarnold: ping continues to say "Destination Host Unreachable"; this is the output of ip commands https://pastebin.com/PVt2Q3k6
[22:23] <clementefnc> maybe I should restart connectivity?
[22:24] <sarnold> clementefnc: dang :( I don't know what ot suggest next
[22:24] <faceface> I'm coming to hate networking
[22:25] <sarnold> same
[22:25] <clementefnc> sarnold: I'm rebooting... who knows... maybe something changes..
[22:26] <sarnold> clementefnc: hope it works :)
[22:26] <clementefnc> faceface: when I did my networking exam at university it seemed cool; when I have to this simple stuff like this everything gets weird and I'm like WTF
[22:27] <faceface> man this build is takign forever
[22:27] <n-iCe>
[22:27] <faceface> it's been 'cancelling update' for about 10 minutes
[22:28] <clementefnc> sarnold: rebooted but nothing... "Destination host unreachable"... Tomorrow I'll get a monitor, a keeb and gonna try to check if for example a live distro works on networking side and maybe then I'm gonna reinstall OS..
[22:28] <clementefnc> BTW thank you a lot for your time and kindness
[22:29] <sarnold> clementefnc: but you can ssh in just fine?
[22:29] <clementefnc> sarnold: yup
[22:29] <sarnold> clementefnc: is it just this one host that you can't piong?
[22:30] <clementefnc> sarnold: I can ping the computer from which I'm sshing into and the gateway
[22:31] <sarnold> clementefnc: I wonder if a firewall has been set to send back host unreachable messages on icmp packets
[22:33] <clementefnc> sarnold: the fact is there's a firewall on the network setted by someone (it's a sophos), btw the weird thing is that it stopped working without any reason at a point. I've noticed because I've installed tightvpnserver, then logged graphically and figured out I couldn't use firefox
[22:33] <clementefnc> So on this side I think it's wale networking stuff and not only ICMP
[22:33] <pdebruic> on a default ubuntu 18.04 server what is the name of the file where the staic ip is configured in the /etc/netplan directory?  I'm trying to troubleshoot a kvm guest that isn't connecting and want to see that I set that up properly in the install process.
[22:36] <sarnold> clementefnc: ah so sadly it's not just icmp :(
[22:36] <sarnold> clementefnc: I bet they just need to add some rules for your remote firefox
[22:36] <sarnold> clementefnc: ssh -X perhaps?
[22:37] <clementefnc> sarnold: the fact is that also package manager from cli doesn't work
[22:37] <sarnold> ?
[22:37] <Bashing-om> pdebruic: /etc/netplan/config.yaml I expect.
[22:38] <clementefnc> sarnold: I can't do "apt update" or stuff; totally no connection
[22:39] <sarnold> clementefnc: was this machjine just firewalled from the itnernet?
[22:39] <faceface> night
[22:39] <pdebruic> Bashing-om: Thanks.  I'm trying to edit the guest with virt-edit but it says that file isn't found
[22:39] <pdebruic> so maybe another name.  I'm not sure
[22:40] <Bashing-om> pdebruic: Sorry - can not advise about VMs - maybe different than a bare metal install :(
[22:40] <clementefnc> sarnold: not something I've done on this machine, so I can say no; btw I can't assure if someone did this on network side, btw this seems me a nonsense thing; this is why I was considering to try with a live distro
[22:41] <pdebruic> Bashing-om: ok thanks.  Seems weird that the ubuntu installer would put it somewhere different if on a kvm VM than bare metal.  I thought the point of a vm was that the software wouldn't tell a difference.
[22:43] <Bashing-om> pdebruic: Bare metal then /etc/netplan/config.yaml exists and has the entry: renderer: networkd for a server.
[22:44] <Bashing-om> !netplan | pdebruic
[22:44] <sarnold> clementefnc: live distro may come up with a different IP address
[22:45] <clementefnc> sarnold: should not bc I've a static IP setted on the DHCP
[22:54] <clementefnc> sarnold: nevermind. Now I've to go. BTW thank you a lot, I really appreciated your help. see you
[22:54] <pdebruic> Bashing-om: yea I read that site before asking here.  I'm not sure what's going on with this guest.  The netplan site doesn't say anything about default filenames.  Or if it does please send me the link because I'd like to read it
[22:55] <pdebruic> its a server.  but it has network connection because it has ping.  So I'll keep looking
[22:55] <pdebruic> thanks
[23:17] <CashDash123> I want to create a bootable iso for Ubuntu 18.04 since offical isos aren't offered anymore
[23:17] <CashDash123> the thing is I've never actually made an unoffical iso before anything I should read
[23:18] <CashDash123> *for the architecure I'm using
[23:21] <CashDash123> Is there any developer documentation avaliable
[23:23] <Gryllida> CashDash123: why is official not offered?
[23:23] <Gryllida> CashDash123: did you check web.archive.org for this?
[23:24] <sarnold> CashDash123: which architecture?
[23:24] <CashDash123> Because they stopped building i386 iso's after 16.04
[23:25] <CashDash123> and ever time I accidently halt my system it wipes the sdcard and I'm tired of running the dist upgrade script
[23:25] <guiverc> CashDash123, flavors offer x86/i386, it was only 18.04 with desktop that was no longer offered (if you've tried GNOME on an old x86 box; it was slow!! and flavors make a lot more sense), x86 ISOs were offered though (just not with GNOME desktop)
[23:27] <Hariama> exit
[23:27] <Hariama> Oops, forgot the slash
[23:33] <oerheks> 32 bit, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/18.04/
[23:35] <sarnold> oerheks: wow!
[23:35] <sarnold> I didn't realize we still had that :)
[23:44] <CashDash123> Thank you
[23:44] <sebsebseb> hi


[01:47] <mhall119> new blog: http://www.qimo4kids.com/2011/10/qimo-on-zareason-pcs/
[02:41] <pleia2> mhall119: nice :)
[15:05] <zus> Since there are no longer shipping CD's - Is it on a (Lug) person to provide labeled Cd's for Lug/Cd' releases for everyone attending Meetings and gatherings?
[19:55]  * Jake2 forgot all the commands ugh
[20:26] <mhall119> zus: our team will still get Ubuntu CDs, which we will pass out to whomever wants one
[20:29] <zus> hi mhall119  thanks. was kinda thinking on starting up something in my area and was wondering all i would need to get started,
[20:32] <zus> http://bit.ly/qjAuIt lol G+ song
[23:40] <mhall119> zus: itnet7 will let everybody know when we get the team CDs in, so we can arrange to get you some
[23:41] <zus> mhall119,  i dont think i will need any just yet
[23:43] <zus> but it did come to mind, of how i was going to get cd's - least i know where resources are.
[23:44] <zus> i pretty much have a place i can hold a get together be it weekly and monthly (as long as people buy some kind of  food and drink)
[23:45] <mhall119> zus: we probably won't get ours until closer to the end of the month
[23:45] <mhall119> zus: will you be at UDS?
[23:46] <zus> no, i wont be able to make it
[23:46] <crashsystems> hello florida
[23:46] <zus> hello crashsystems
[23:46] <zus> actually  i know nothing about UDS this time around
[23:47] <mhall119> zus: http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[23:47] <zus> just  googled it  lol
[23:47] <mhall119> in Orlando again, Oct 31 - Nov 4
[23:47] <zus> irony = i was just  told to take  a girl to halloween horror nights....
[23:48] <zus> im going to be saying a  lot of "wait here brb's "
[23:56] <zus> how much will this cost?


[13:13] <Riddell> cor ubuntu on bbc news front page, well done
[13:19] <JackYu> great! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23402994
[21:55] <xnox> smoser: hallyn_: it does make sense for upstart-file-bridge to ship a job that watches "/" and if "/etc" is created execute initctl reload-configuration. As that job will never be triggered on normal machines, but will be triggered on "overlayfs is bodging inode under our feet"
[21:56] <xnox> or hint, you can drop one yourself in the image =)
[21:56] <xnox> but you should do that on the base-dir, not in the overlay dif.
[21:56] <xnox> s/dif/dir/
[23:02] <robert_ancell> mterry, around?
[23:02] <mterry> robert_ancell, yeah, hi
[23:03] <robert_ancell> mterry, hey, reading bug 1212408. I don't think it can be done without what you proposed in http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2011-July/012004.html
[23:03] <robert_ancell> Do you know about the bug / did your proposal go anywhere?
[23:05] <mterry> robert_ancell, never went anywhere.  I recall particular resistance from GNOME people.  I got the impression they weren't concerned with the problem space
[23:06] <mterry> robert_ancell, I think historically we've patched gnome-session and its .desktop files to add a new key to specify the desktop
[23:06] <mterry> robert_ancell, I think the request is to move this up the stack into lightdm, rather than gnome-session
[23:06] <mterry> or down the stack anyway
[23:07] <mterry> robert_ancell, because now user-upstart is parallel to gnome-session I guess
[23:07] <robert_ancell> mterry, ah, I didn't see them in the xsession files, right it would have to be inside gnome-session
[23:07] <robert_ancell> yes
[23:07] <robert_ancell> request makes sense, just LightDM can't work out the names (http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apb.html) unless they're in the xsession file
[23:07] <mterry> robert_ancell, yeah, I think that's still a sensible place for them.  But for now, we'd maybe want to prefix X-Ubuntu- or something
[23:07] <robert_ancell> yep, agreed
[23:08] <robert_ancell> X-LightDM for now I guess
[23:08] <mterry> robert_ancell, hey, are you still interested in unity8-greeter-on-the-desktop?  I dropped that for now (thought you wanted it for some demo purpose), but I wanted to double check
[23:09] <robert_ancell> mterry, not for demo purposes, though I'd like to check it works for phone purposes
[23:09] <robert_ancell> thanks
[23:14] <mterry> robert_ancell, I have branches to get most of the way on the phone, but got blocked by u-s-c not really being able to switch between greeter/user-sessions.  Seems like Mir doesn't register them as sessions (racarr suggested that the lack of the whole nested Mir feature was the problem)
[23:15] <robert_ancell> mterry, right, they can't be mir servers, but we can test the greeter as a mir client with a u7 session
[23:15] <mterry> robert_ancell, oh I see.  You're saying you wanted it on the desktop, as proof of concept for phone?
[23:15] <robert_ancell> I was hoping we could test on desktop as that might be easier. But it seem the dependencies make too many phone assumptions.
[23:15] <robert_ancell> yes
[23:16] <mterry> robert_ancell, yeah, it seems that the unity8 engine that drives unity8-greeter needs qtubuntu stuff that isn't fully there for the desktop
[23:16] <robert_ancell> right. That was my conclusion too
[23:17] <robert_ancell> mterry, though I talked to ricmm and he said he should be unblocked to land qtubuntu mir stuff into the archive now
[23:19] <robert_ancell> mterry, would you be able to review the MP when I add the XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP support? Shouldn't be too complex
[23:19] <mterry> robert_ancell, OK.  Just wanted to make sure you weren't waiting on a deliverable from me
[23:19] <mterry> I mean, you'd still like it, but it's not blocking you
[23:19] <mterry> robert_ancell, OK
[23:20] <robert_ancell> mterry, not blocked
[23:20] <robert_ancell> mterry, do I have anything specific blocking you?
[23:20] <mterry> robert_ancell, no...?  let me review
[23:20] <robert_ancell> there's no need to review ;)
[23:20] <mterry> robert_ancell, naw
[23:21] <robert_ancell> mterry, you're in boston right?
[23:21] <mterry> robert_ancell, yeah
[23:22] <robert_ancell> mterry, we're (Mir team+QA) in town (Lexington) the week of the 16th Sept - should catch up!
[23:22] <mterry> robert_ancell, oh nice!
[23:22] <mterry> robert_ancell, yeah


[23:50] <binarical-app> jaggy: so what do you wanna try out ?
[23:50] <jaggy> all sorts of things, mainly my coding's
[23:51] <WildChil17> Pelo: I've followed https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html and Installed libdvdread3 but I cant activate DVD decryption: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh  COMMAND NOT FOUND. How can I get menu ?
[23:51] <binarical-app> jaggy: codings are fun
[23:51] <till_> helo
[23:51] <ender> Can anyone help me? I can't get a restricted driver to Enable, is there some fix that I don't know about...it was working fine before the 8.04 upgrade
[23:51] <till_> anyone know how i get cat2doc on ubuntu? :O it's not available through apt
[23:51] <binarical-app> jaggy: can you tell us a bit more about what you really want to do with lamp
[23:51] <legend2440> mc-george: system>preference>volune control
[23:51] <nomopofomo> is there a way to sandbox a program? isn't there a way to open inside of a "virtual computer" on my own computer?
[23:51] <Pelo> WildChil17,  in that last command remove the /exemple/ bit from the path, I don'T know why that is in there
[23:52] <jaggy> binarical-app, test my php, html, javascripting etc etc skills
[23:52] <alan_m> #ubuntu+1 ender
[23:52] <alan_m> try asking your question in there bud
[23:52] <ender> thanks
[23:52] <binarical-app> jaggy:okay so whats your set up
[23:52] <Pelo> nomopofomo, what are you trying to acheive exactly , what program are we talking about ?
[23:53] <frostburn> Pelo, thanks much, seems like a little overkill, but got the job done
[23:53] <WildChil17> ŠPelothanx
[23:53] <WildChil17> Pelo: thanx
[23:53] <jaggy> binarical-app, how do you mean?
[23:53] <binarical-app> jaggy: well for starters, how do you access your server
[23:54] <Redeye2> No luck there.
[23:54] <nomopofomo> Pelo, I just don't want it wreaking any havoc in case it's something bad.
[23:54] <CareBerry> do i need a swap partition?
[23:54] <WildChil17> Pelo: ok how can I run dvd and get dvd menu ?
[23:54] <Redeye2> oh well the search continues.
[23:54] <jaggy> binarical-app, it should be just localhost
[23:54] <x1250> Hi guys, any easy way to change the default key binding for loading the home page in firefox? I want to change the default ALT+Home
[23:54] <alan_m> CareBerry, highly advised that you do have one, and it should be double your ammount of ram in your pc.
[23:55] <RoAkSoAx> CareBerry, preferably
[23:55] <Pelo> WildChil17, presonnaly I use totem-xine ,  instead of gstreamer,  it will play dvd,  with menues,  youcan also set totem as the default dvd player in menu > system > prefs > removable media ,  so it starts totem when you pop in  a dvd
[23:55] <binarical-app> jaggy: what i think right now is that your trying to access your server via a web browser like firefox
[23:55] <CareBerry> alan_m so 4gb swap?
[23:55] <alan_m> careberry, if you have 2gb of ram yes
[23:55] <CareBerry> alan_m what does a swap do?
[23:55] <jaggy> yes binarical-app
[23:56] <alan_m> careberry, it takes over when you run out of physical ram, it is a portion of your hard drive that acts like ram.
[23:56] <x1250> CareBerry: naah, it depends. With 2 gigs of ram, then go for 1gb swap, unless you think someday you'll consume more than that
[23:56] <binarical-app> jaggy: do you want to set it up so that it has a name of yoru coice and is accessable outside of your network?
[23:56] <x1250> 2 times your ram is a too old advice
[23:56] <Pelo> nomopofomo, not what kind of havoc are we talking about there ?  but in anycase if you are that worried, you can always install vmware-server from the repos and then isntall a VM of ubuntu on that and run your nasty progs from there instead of from your host install
[23:56] <jaggy> binarical-app, nope
[23:56] <alan_m> x1250 i thought the general rule was double, is it half?
[23:56] <RoAkSoAx> CareBerry, swap is used instead of using ram memory, and it is usually 2 times of your phisical ram memory and less than 2gb
[23:57] <astro76> alan_m: there is no rule, that double is a rule of thumb that was outdated ten years ago
[23:57] <binarical-app> jaggy: is it a headless server or are your running it right now
[23:57] <alan_m> astro76, amazing that i still see it everywhere hmm
[23:57] <Pelo> alan_m, when you get past 1 gig of ram 2xram for swap is too much,  you can start cutting back
[23:57] <binarical-app> jaggy: but i dont need to know this to help you test your scripts
[23:57] <jaggy> binarical-app, whats headless?
[23:57] <alan_m> Pelo, ah :)
[23:57] <astro76> alan_m: yes unfortunately, including in here :P
[23:57] <hauk> can anyone answer me as to why the Update manager is going to remove compiz-gnome?
[23:58] <alan_m> astro76, guilty :/
[23:58] <Starnestommy> jaggy: if it doesn't have a monitor or screen, it's headless
[23:58] <binarical-app> jaggy:headless is just a server that has been set up and is accessable via the network , needing no direct controllers attached to run
[23:58] <unop> hauk, at a terminal. what does this say?  aptitude why-not compiz-gnome
[23:58] <Pelo> hauk, because eitehr is it no longer needed or enterfeers with some new feature, probably the second one since gnome 2.24 now has some compoziting stuff of it's own
[23:58] <jaggy> ooo nice, well, it has a screen :p
[23:58] <astro76> alan_m: now unless you want to hibernate, then you need swap at least equal to ram
[23:59] <michi> bye
[23:59] <hauk> unop: It said it was manually installed.
[23:59] <alan_m> astro76, yeah, thats why i do mine that way
[23:59] <hauk> Pelo: kk, we'll see. Will it effect my Compiz settings as is?
[23:59] <WildChil17> Pelo: funny but for play dvd is a comand: totem %m but there is no menus when I put dvd in :s
[23:59]  * alan_m goes to cut back my swap partition, brb


[14:56] <cr3> fader_: hey dude, might you have a moment to pick your brains again about reporting test results?
[14:57] <fader_> cr3: Not right this second... can I ping you this afternoon?
[14:57] <cr3> fader_: sure
[14:57] <cr3> fader_: wait, you're actually busy or just pretending? :)
[14:57] <fader_> cr3: Cool, ping me if I forget :)
[14:57] <fader_> cr3: Lots of meetings today :/
[14:57] <cr3> fader_: I feel for you man, may the force be with you
[14:57]  * fader_ hugs cr3.
[15:41] <fader_> cr3: I have a couple of minutes now... what's up?
[15:44] <cr3> fader_: ok, so yesterday, we talked about targetting test results to the finnest grain: project series and distro arch series, for example
[15:44] <fader_> Right
[15:44] <cr3> I incremenent a sequent sequence number within each target, so that you can easily refer to each test run
[15:45] <cr3> for example, you might have /ubuntu/lucid/i386/testrun/1 and /ubuntu/lucid/amd64/testrun/1, which would refer to different test runs because the targets are different
[15:45] <cr3> make sense so far?
[15:45] <fader_> Yep, with you so far
[15:46] <davmor2> cr3: he isn't his eyes are all glazed over honest
[15:47] <cr3> fader_: so, my concern is related to usability when generating coarser grained reports where /ubuntu/lucid/testruns would have duplicate sequence numbers, albeit for different architectures
[15:48] <fader_> cr3: How exposed to the end user are these URLs (or whatever) going to be?  If there is a reasonable UI for navigating results I think it won't be as big a deal
[15:48] <fader_> i.e. anyone who is at the level of hacking on the URL to get the data they want will likely understand what's going on
[15:49] <cr3> fader_: I want the urls to be meaningful and paste friendly, I'm usually quite picky about that
[15:49] <fader_> If there's a UI that lets me as a user say "I want to see the test results for all architectures on this test run" and not manually build a URL, I won't be confused
[15:49] <fader_> cr3: My gut feeling is that you're still okay with this, even with duplicate sequence numbers
[15:49] <cr3> fader_: however, even outside the urls, I can see myself exposing the sequence number just like launchpad does for bug numbers
[15:49] <cr3> fader_: have a look here for example: http://ec2-50-18-75-140.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com/checkbox
[15:50] <fader_> You could always go with some sort of GUID or alplanumeric that's obviously not a sequence number, which solves this conceptually but breaks predictability for other tools
[15:50] <cr3> fader_: this is for a project target, but you could imagine there might be duplicate sequence numbers in the future when I target to project series and same would apply to distroarchseries of course
[15:51] <cr3> fader_: I made special effort to make that sequence number context specific to be meaningful, it's not just a straightforward database primary key
[15:51] <fader_> cr3: Have you considered the launchpad approach of never repeating sequence numbers at all?  There's only one bug 12345, not a bug 12345 in checkbox and a different bug 12345 in gwibber
[15:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils (Ubuntu) "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?) (heat: 4)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[15:51] <fader_> Or isdnutils in this case ;)
[15:51] <infinity> fader_: Actually, the LP bug approach is the have subtasks on a single bug, to be fair.
[15:52] <fader_> infinity: Indeed, but those aren't given numbers that are exposed to the user, at least that I can see
[15:52] <infinity> fader_: Which gives you /ubuntu/lucid/testrun/1/amd64 and /ubuntu/lucid/testrun/1/i386, conceptually.
[15:53] <cr3> fader_: I see test runs as flyweight bugs, much lighter and therefore likely to be far more numerous
[15:53] <infinity> fader_: (ie: sequence re-use is still there, but you're making the arch/task a child of the sequence instead of a parent, eliminating the illusion of duplicates)
[15:53] <fader_> infinity: I suspect that breaks cr3's model, but I'll let him fight you or not as he chooses :)
[15:54] <infinity> cr3: You're probably seeing them less as bugs at all, and more like build records (again, looking at it from LP's external UI's POV)
[15:54] <fader_> cr3: Let me think about it for a bit.  I suspect I'll still come back and say that I don't think it's really a problem, but maybe I'll change my mind.
[15:54] <cr3> infinity: unfortunately, I'm not familiar with build records, I've mostly been inspiring myself from lp.(registry|bugs|answers)
[15:55] <cr3> infinity: how can I get a quick idea of how build records work?
[15:56] <infinity> cr3: Well, you have one source record, representing the actual source upload (or, perhaps from your POV, one testrun)
[15:56] <infinity> cr3: Then multiple build records, one per DAS.
[15:56] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/1:2.8.0-1ubuntu1
[15:56] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/1:2.8.0-1ubuntu1/+build/2581140
[15:56] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/1:2.8.0-1ubuntu1/+build/2581141
[15:56] <infinity> For example.
[15:57] <infinity> The URIs are horribly undiscoverable, and that's (I'd argue) a design flaw.
[15:57] <infinity> But it would be easy enough to solve, to just not expose the PK in the URI design by default.
[15:57] <cr3> infinity: that bigass number at the end is just the same postgres SERIAL used across all builds, right?
[15:57] <infinity> cr3: Yeah.
[15:58] <cr3> infinity: I like my urls to have some level of predictability and, looking at how people work, it seems that lots of people like to play with them
[15:58] <fader_> Ugh, on reflection I do start to see how this could be confusing if you don't actually care about the arch... I'd have two (or more) testrun/1 results in the same report and that is just weird
[15:58] <fader_> But I think you're in a rock and a hard place here... predictable URLs or sensible sequential numbering
[15:58] <infinity> Anyhow, I would never suggest anyone duplicate soyuz UI design, cause it had none. ;)
[15:58] <fader_> Hehe
[15:58] <cr3> infinity: so, since I'm trying to represent test runs in a launchpad'ish way, I think it would be nice for someone to see /checkbox/testruns/1 and just change the number if they want
[15:59] <infinity> More just implying that your one-to-many and many-to-one can be swapped to perhaps make things more intuitive, if that makes sense.
[15:59] <cr3> s/in a launchpad'ish way/in a launchpad'ish way for those things that were actually designed/
[16:00] <fader_> infinity: But I think you'd have to keep popping back farther and farther... what if you don't care about the distro series either?
[16:00] <fader_> /ubuntu/testrun/1/lucid/i386
[16:00] <fader_> Or even worse, testrun/1/ubuntu/lucid/i386
[16:01] <fader_> If there were only one way you'd care to slice and dice the data it'd be pretty trivial, but I'm not sure that's the case
[16:02] <cr3> fader_: launchpad pillars dictate that the beginning of the url must refer to one of: product, product group, distro, ~person, ~team, +action
[16:03] <cr3> fader_: I've yet to come across anything useful being trivial to come up with, even pie was probably not easy as pie (that sucked) to come up with
[16:03] <fader_> :)
[16:04] <fader_> cr3: But LP uses unique IDs down those pillars, which you're looking to avoid, right?
[16:05] <cr3> fader_: just because I'm dealing with a different scale, like those builders pointed out by infinity, showing a number like 2581141 for the first testrun of a projectseries or a distroseries seems weird
[16:07] <cr3> fader_: I'm also dealing with a different target audience, people don't really look at builders whereas I'm hoping people will care enough about the quality of ubuntu to look at test results. that still remains to be seen though, I might find out people only care about what doesn't work rather than what also works
[16:07] <fader_> cr3: I don't know that it looks any weirder than showing a number like 2581141 as the first bug of a project
[16:08]  * cr3 still needs to think about actionable outcomes from testing, like this area of ubuntu has been demonstrated to be in dire need of testing...
[16:08] <cr3> fader_: bugs are a bit different though because of the relationship between bugs and bug tasks: bugs can be retargetted whereas testruns cannot, they are a snapshot in time
[16:11] <fader_> cr3: Hmm, so in your URL examples above, is the "1" the testrun ID and then would have result IDs beneath it?  e.g. /ubuntu/lucid/i386/testruns/1/results/1
[16:15] <cr3> fader_: I'm not sure yet but I'm thinking of using a sequence number on a target basis for test runs but the test case name for test results
[16:15] <fader_> Ah
[16:15] <cr3> fader_: ie, something users have the most chance of understanding some meaning
[16:16] <fader_> cr3: Yeah, I'm going back to "let me think about it".  I don't immediately see a way of solving this for the general case in a way that satisfies your deep need for pretty URLs
[16:16] <fader_> :)
[16:17] <cr3> fader_: at the risk of overthinking this, I could also get some implementation out the door and we could then try kicking the tires a bit
[16:18] <fader_> cr3: True, it may not really be that big a deal
[16:18] <fader_> Get Charline to do some user testing :)
[16:18] <cr3> I like what Jamu once said: designing is expensive, refactoring is cheap. unfortunately, that takes most of the fun out of my work
[16:19] <cr3> fader_: I'm not a big fan of the usability testing done in millbank, it's all very ivory tower. we should be able to do usability testing ourselves with the help of the community, it might not be as perfect as done by experts but we'll certainly find a few low hanging fruits
[16:20] <cr3> fader_: I actually did some usability testing during the rally in dublin and it turned out very well
[16:20] <cr3> fader_: next time, I'll try remote usability testing... can't wait!
[16:21] <fader_> \o/
[16:24] <fader_> Okay, lunchtime for me
[22:36] <hakimsheriff> Hello everybody


[03:49] !LoRez:*! Apologies for the huge netsplits.    I've routed around it for now.  Thanks for using freenode!
[07:33] <_ion> Sigh, away nicks.
[07:33] <_ion> And flooding the channel with "is on, is off" messages.
[07:33] <_ion> johnnybuoy: I would really appreciate you turning off the "is on, iss off" spam and away nicks.
[07:33] <johnnybuoy> I have, now
[07:33] <johnnybuoy> sorry for that
[07:33] <_ion> Thanks a lot.
[07:33] <johnnybuoy> I know every channel I was logged onto wants my skin...
[07:33] <johnnybuoy> and I can understande that...
[07:34] <_ion> IRC has an "away" feature. Whoever is interested of your away status can /whois you, or add you to her notify list.
[07:37] <johnnybuoy_> okay, I think I have disabled that sux thing now
[07:37] <johnnybuoy_> _ion| as I have to everyone, I say sorry!
[07:37] <johnnybuoy_> I have enerved many many ppl...
[07:37] <johnnybuoy_> :(
[07:38] <_ion> The actual away feature never sends anything to any channel. I recommend using that.
[07:38] <johnnybuoy_> yes
[07:38] <johnnybuoy_> _ion| I don't really ned to use it, right
[07:38] <johnnybuoy_> is this the idle thing?
[07:40] <Keybuk> *sigh* people still use dircproxy
[07:40] <Keybuk> heh
[07:40] <Keybuk> trivia for amusement value ...
[07:41] <Keybuk> upstart uses the dircproxy networking layer to communicate with initctl
[07:41] <johnnybuoy_> heh
[07:41] <_ion> johnnybuoy: Let's not continue this discussion on this channel, it's offtopic.  :D
[07:44] <Keybuk> johnnybuoy: it's true
[07:44] <Keybuk> modified after five years of experience, of course
[07:44] <Keybuk> but I see no point throwing away something that worked
[07:44] <Keybuk> I got it reasonably right back then
[07:44] <Keybuk> and it got genericified into libnih
[07:48] <johnnybuoy> Keybuk| wow, that's amazing.
[07:48] <johnnybuoy> is dircproxy in any way special?
[07:49] <Keybuk> "special" ?
[08:01] <johnnybuoy> is it still doing it?
[08:01] <Keybuk> not sure I understand what you mean?
[08:01] <johnnybuoy> well, I guess if you included some messaging code from it to upstart it must have something "specual" ..
[08:02] <Keybuk> not particularly
[08:02] <Keybuk> I just wrote it, that's all
[08:02] <Keybuk> so when I needed async networking code for upstart, there was no point writing it *again*
[08:02] <Keybuk> I already had the code
[08:43] <Artanicus> theres only one cure for away nicks, ignore d:


[17:41] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[17:41] <pavlushka> zaki: in Dhaka now
[17:41] <pavlushka> zaki: will head towards home by tomorrow


[09:12] <externalreality> test
[12:32] <jam> tick
[12:34] <rick_h> Jam tock
[12:34] <jam> rick_h: sorry I'm late, just finishing up the last meeting, brt
[14:23] <jac_cplane> We have a charm for xenial that relys on /etc/network/interfaces, there was a recent update to curtin that moves /etc/network/interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces.d.   I dont think this is correct, but I' not sure why this change was made.  Can someone help?
[14:54] <jac_cplane> bug openend https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1732202 on curtin 532
[14:54] <mup> Bug #1732202: Xenial Deploy fails when using /etc/network/interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732202>
[19:13] <[Kid]> can you not create models from logging into a controller?
[19:13] <[Kid]> also, is it possible to login to a controller as admin on any other server than the one that juju was bootstrapped from?
[19:15] <[Kid]> ahh i see what the problem is. the cloud providers are only stored on the juju server that the controllers were bootstrapped from
[19:15] <[Kid]> i.e., you can't login to a controller from a random juju install and see the cloud providers for that controller
[19:29] <[Kid]> so far, it seems like if i need to make most changes outside of removing or adding a worker node to a kubernetes cluster i have to remove the model and re-add it
[19:29] <[Kid]> so basically a full re-deploy
[19:29] <[Kid]> does that sound right?
[19:38] <rick_h> [Kid]: so you can add new users with admin and superuser permissions to access from other locations
[19:39] <rick_h> [Kid]: check out https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/tut-users
[19:39] <rick_h> [Kid]: as far as changes to the cluster needing a redeploy, I'd hope not. I think the team would be curious what changes and see what's not supported in the charms and such that wrap the operations
[19:42] <ryebot> [Kid]: gimme a second to catch up
[19:42] <ryebot> [Kid]: What changes do you need to make?
[20:11] <[Kid]> sorry, i am here
[20:12] <[Kid]> i currently tried a deploy and MAAS didn't finish deploying 2 of the nodes and i have machines in a down state
[20:12] <[Kid]> i released the machines in MAAS, but how to i get juju to try and redeploy to those machines?
[20:12] <[Kid]> it already thinks it allocated them
[20:14] <[Kid]> the changes that i was trying to make were like removing flannel and adding calico. it worked but then it rebuilt the master nodes and my  ssh keys changed and i couldn't get juju scp to work.
[20:38] <kwmonroe> [Kid]: watcha mean by 'rebuilt the master nodes'?  you mean like the flannel cni relation was removed and calico joined?
[20:41] <kwmonroe> also [Kid], i'm at a loss when you say you lost 'juju scp' capabilities.  i can't think of a reason why the juju keys used to ssh to a unit would change, regardless of how that unit was changed post deployment (unless, of course, you changed ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the juju unit out-of-band)
[20:43] <kwmonroe> rick_h: are there circumstances that cause ~/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa* to change?
[20:44] <rick_h> kwmonroe: ...not that I can think of
[20:44] <kwmonroe> [Kid]: the ssh key that juju uses for things like juju scp are stored in ~/.local/share/juju/ssh/juju_id_rsa, and the .pub key in there is what is normally on all deployed units.  rick_h assures me this is bulletproof. ;)
[21:00] <cory_fu> What does this error mean when trying to bootstrap lxd / localhost?  ERROR Get https://<IP_ADDRESS>:8443/1.0: x509: certificate signed by unknown authority (possibly because of "crypto/rsa: verification error" while trying to verify candidate authority certificate "root@murdoch")
[21:05] <cory_fu> stokachu: Do you recognize that, by chance?  ^
[21:05] <stokachu> cory_fu: yea i think it's the certificate in .local/share/juju/bootstrap-config
[21:05] <stokachu> or one of those files
[21:05] <stokachu> maybe credentials.yaml
[21:06] <cory_fu> stokachu: Ah.  Just torch it?
[21:06] <stokachu> yea
[21:08] <cory_fu> stokachu: It was credentials.yaml.  Thanks!
[21:08] <stokachu> cool, np
[21:11] <[Kid]> kw and rick, thanks. i will continue to look at it
[21:12] <[Kid]> kw and rick, is there a way to have juju retry the deployment of a machine?
[21:12] <[Kid]> i have two machines in a down state and message is failed deployment.
[21:13] <[Kid]> i manually fixed MAAS, so i wanted it to try on those same machines agin
[21:13] <[Kid]> again
[21:14] <rick_h> [Kid]: so there's juju retry-provisioning, if the machine didn't come up
[21:15] <rick_h> [Kid]: or if you want to just retry as something failed and you cleaned it up just juju add-unit xxx
[21:15] <rick_h> and have juju pull another up for use
[21:19] <[Kid]> ahh yes, i think juju retry-provisioning is what i need
[21:19] <rick_h> cool, hopefully that helps some
[21:26] <[Kid]> rick
[21:26]  * rick_h ducks
[21:27] <[Kid]> it accepts that command, but doesn't do anything
[21:27] <[Kid]> haha
[21:27] <[Kid]> just stuck in a down status
[21:27] <[Kid]> guess i might have to remove and re-deploy
[21:27] <rick_h> [Kid]: try with --debug and see if anything is fishy? Maybe trace debug-log and see if anything comes up.
[21:27] <[Kid]> i did
[21:27] <rick_h> [Kid]: just remove and add-unit ?
[21:27] <[Kid]> juju debug-log didn't have anything
[21:27] <[Kid]> i will try the --debug on the command
[21:32] <[Kid]> well, destroying the model again
[21:32] <[Kid]> .....
[21:32] <[Kid]> redeployings
[21:33] <[Kid]> i have to wonder if i am just a special case.....
[21:34] <rick_h> [Kid]: no I mean something's up. Do you know it failed to come up?
[21:46] <zeestrat> Hey [Kid], if you fixed the maas nodes so that's not the issue anymore and the `retry-provisioning` didn't work then you should be able to do `juju add-unit <name-of-service-that-failed-to-deploy>` so you don't have to destroy the whole model as rick_h mentioned above.
[21:51] <[Kid]> rick, yes, it didn't come up
[21:51] <[Kid]> i waited like 30 minutes
[21:51] <[Kid]> just in a down state and had "failed deployment" in the message field
[21:51] <[Kid]> looks like the re-deploy worked
[21:52] <[Kid]> i just hate that i have to keep re-deploying for simple changes
[21:53] <rick_h> [Kid]: well this isn't a redeploy as the first one didn't succeed right?
[21:53] <rick_h> I mean it's not in a change, but that maas didn't get a machine to juju?
[21:53] <rick_h> I guess that's what I'm wondering is what went wrong between maas/juju, did curtain get things started, cloud-init go ok, juju agents get installed and setup?
[22:01] <zeestrat> Maas has logs for it's deployments on the node page and should say why it ended up as a failed deployment.