[03:34] <abhishek> hi guys!
[03:34] <abhishek> I just installed kubuntu 16.04 on my laptop!
[03:42] <DarinMiller> Fun times.  Let the adventures begin :)
[03:43] <abhishek> My wifi is not working
[03:43] <abhishek> at times it doesn't search for the nearby networks and at other times it connects to them but internet doesn't work
[03:43] <DarinMiller> abhishek: did you use the live session for install?
[03:43] <abhishek> any suggestion?
[03:44] <abhishek> DarinMiller, I installed via usb
[03:45] <DarinMiller> abhishek: was wifi working during the install?
[03:46] <abhishek> I think so.
[03:47] <DarinMiller> abhishek: sudo lshw | grep Wireless
[03:47] <DarinMiller> what is the output?
[03:48] <DarinMiller> abhishek: or sudo lshw > t.txt && kate t.txt &
[03:48] <DarinMiller> abhishek:  then search the file for wireless.
[03:49] <DarinMiller> abhishek: I suspect you may have a broadcom card and may need to install proprietary drivers from the repos.
[03:50] <abhishek> DarinMiller, is there any automated way to install all proprietary drivers for my pc
[03:51] <DarinMiller> abhishek: I also noticed your other post on kde regarding prorpietary drivers... and the detection hw detection tool  currently times out.
[03:51] <DarinMiller> abhishek: Usually the hw detection works really well, but until it's fixed, we willl need to install manually.
[03:53] <DarinMiller> abhishek: the broken Driver Manager is found in System Settings in the Hardware section...  Issue is known and hopefully will be fixed by 16.04.1 reelase...
[03:56] <abhishek> DarinMiller, thanks for the reply. No problems :) I did grep on the config file you said http://codepad.org/BomJKH10
[03:56] <abhishek> is this helpful?
[03:57] <DarinMiller> yes, the last line is your wirelesss card...
[03:58] <abhishek> DarinMiller, okay how can I find corresponding driver in repos?
[03:58] <DarinMiller> abhishek: I am not familiar with this card, but give this a try: http://askubuntu.com/questions/760970/realtek-driver-rtl8723be-not-working-in-ubuntu-16-04-kernel-4-4
[03:59] <DarinMiller> abhishek: does your laptop have secure boot or is it an older laptop?
[03:59] <abhishek> DarinMiller, I disabled the secure boot from start :)
[04:00] <DarinMiller> abhishek: This was the solution for 14.04 installs, but I not sure it applies here:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/590414/wifi-problems-with-rtl8723be-in-ubuntu-14-04
[04:02] <DarinMiller> abhishek: This site looks promising: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-trusty-realtek.html
[04:03] <abhishek> DarinMiller, looks good! Giving it a try right now.
[04:05] <DarinMiller> abhishek: very good.  I don't think the HW detection would have helped in this case as I do not see Realtek wireless drivers in the std repos.
[04:25] <abhishek> DarinMiller, works fine, thanks! I also tried 1) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:hanipouspilot/rtlwifi   2)sudo apt-get update    3)sudo apt-get install rtlwifi-new-dkms linux-firmware
[04:25] <DarinMiller> abhishek: nice job!
[04:28] <DarinMiller> abhishek: do you have an NVidia GPU?  I can guide the install of those drivers if needed.
[04:28] <abhishek> DarinMiller, I have been using kubuntu 15.10 for while and it was great! I just installed 16.04 on a new laptop. It though is more stable, transitions are not very smooth like resizing windows, it flashes.
[04:29] <DarinMiller> abhishek: what video card do you have?
[04:29] <abhishek> DarinMiller, Yeah I do, I installed from repos. I will post details, as it doesn't work that good. I don't think I have done it correctly though.
[04:30] <abhishek> DarinMiller,  NVIDIA GeForce 940M (4 GB DDR3L dedicated) complete specs: http://www.hpshopping.in/HP_Pavilion_Notebook_-_15-ab549tx
[04:31] <DarinMiller> abhishek: Cool. Add this repository:   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[04:31] <DarinMiller> abhishek:  sudo apt update
[04:32] <abhishek> DarinMiller, thanks! This is what I have right now http://codepad.org/bCaD79Oc
[04:32] <DarinMiller> abhishek: sudo apt install nvidia-364
[04:33] <DarinMiller> abhishek: the ppa above is an official ubuntu ppa and has the stable 364 driver in it...
[04:34] <abhishek> DarinMiller, should I do a sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-* before?
[04:35] <DarinMiller> abhishek: purging should not be necessary as the driver installer usually is very good about installing over current drivers.
[04:46] <abhishek> DarinMiller, thanks, should I reboot after installing?
[05:00] <DarinMiller> abhishek: You had me worried. Your reboot seemed to take a long time...
[05:01] <abhishek> DarinMiller, works awesome now! thanks!
[05:01] <DarinMiller> abhishek: the only proprietry driver left to install (that I can see from your link) is the intel-microcode...
[05:01] <Quantos> What precisely does the microcode do?
[05:02] <DarinMiller> abhishek: sudo apt install intel-microcode
[05:02] <abhishek> Quantos, Just searched it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4366837/what-is-intel-microcode
[05:02] <Quantos> Thanks man
[05:05] <abhishek> DarinMiller, great, installed it! Thanks so much!
[05:05] <DarinMiller> abhishek: You are very welcome!
[05:05] <abhishek> can you please tell me how you figured out what drivers were left.
[05:09] <DarinMiller> Wireless, gpu and cpu drivers are typically the drivers I see when the HW detection is working.  You may want to verify your SD card reader works. Other than that, I have not experienced other HW requiring special drivers (other than printers/scanners).
[05:16] <abhishek> DarinMiller, interesting, thanks.
[05:50] <KDE_Lover> Hello All. Is there a way to disable Plasma in Kubuntu 16.04 and go back to the old Classic look?
[05:50] <KDE_Lover> ( I really want to, the only reason I want to abandon is the PLasma look, else I am a KDE fan )
[06:56] <abhishek> hi guys!
[06:57] <abhishek> I am stuck on these 2 issues. http://codepad.org/hGEXCN7A
[07:01] <hyper_ch2> hi there, I did add some openvpn connections to systemd using systemctl enable<EMAIL_ADDRESS>now when I reboot and don't have ethernet access I face two problems: (1) 5 minute timeout https://images.sjau.ch/img/81f55115.jpg (2) after finally loading kde, network manager errors: Error loading QML file....... plugin cannot be loaded for module etc.....     however when I'm connected on ethernet during boot, none of those problems appea
[07:22] <abhishek> guys I have posted both questions here http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek http://askubuntu.com/questions/772182/pci-bus-error-on-startup-while-booting-into-login-screen-kubuntu-16-04
[07:22] <abhishek> please check if possible.
[07:38] <_ebola_> abhishek: if you want support you should also show what hardware you have
[07:38] <_ebola_> abhishek: not just the driver
[07:40] <abhishek> _ebola_, please let me what details are required
[07:40] <abhishek> I mentioned the specs of pc
[07:43] <_ebola_> abhishek: I didn't see the hardware listing in the forum post
[07:44] <_ebola_> abhishek: thats just something you may want to add
[07:44] <_ebola_> abhishek: another thing you may want to do is boot off of some live distro's like puppy linux, debian, etc and see if the issue with wifi is linux/driver related
[07:44] <_ebola_> abhishek: see if you can pin it down yourself more closely
[07:44] <abhishek> _ebola_, this is my specs: http://www.hpshopping.in/HP_Pavilion_Notebook_-_15-ab549tx
[07:45] <_ebola_> abhishek: what you wanna do is add a screenshot of "lspci" to the post for example
[07:45] <_ebola_> where it shows your wifi card
[07:45] <_ebola_> as linux sees it, not just a vendor page
[07:47] <abhishek> _ebola_, thanks for the suggestion! I have added it now, http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek
[07:48] <_ebola_> abhishek: great, this is the line: 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[07:49] <_ebola_> abhishek: now what you wanna do is grep "dmesg" for all info related to this controller and how linux handled detecting it
[07:49] <_ebola_> abhishek: study / grep dmesg and postall the lines from dmesg as to what linux did when it discovered this controller
[07:53] <abhishek> _ebola_, thanks! My dmesg output has a lot errors related to my second error of PCI bus on boot up. What should I grep it with?
[07:54] <_ebola_> abhishek: just do "dmesg | less" and try to read it first
[07:56] <abhishek> abhishek@hp:~$ dmesg | wc   2068   19495  182809 :p
[08:17] <abhishek> _ebola_, too many lines to decipher
[08:20] <_ebola_> abhishek: it's ok, search for things like "ethernet" "realtek" "RTL8723BE"
[08:21] <_ebola_> abhishek: just look for the lines above and below those that relate to your issues
[08:23] <abhishek> _ebola_, added http://askubuntu.com/questions/772180/wifi-not-working-realtek
[08:25] <_ebola_> abhishek: great, now that you documented your problem, try to boot into different (and older) live distros and see if your issues are the same or they are not present
[08:25] <_ebola_> abhishek: you want to determine whether this is a hardware problem or a driver regression problem
[08:26] <abhishek> _ebola_, I booted into windows the issue wasn't there. It should not be hardware issue thus.
[08:27] <_ebola_> abhishek: right, but you want to check if older or different linux distros can also work without problems
[08:27] <_ebola_> abhishek: sometimes hardware issues are tricky
[08:28] <_ebola_> abhishek: your job is to pin down the source of the problem, you are in the best position to do it, because your issue is vague you need to try different things
[09:14] <habits> Hi guys, is there a way of stopping the notification of the flash plugin available for mozilla? I don't want it installed and I don't want to get that message everytime I boot the machine.
[09:14] <Smurphy> good question. Same for me.
[10:45] <Smurphy> BTW - how does one install plasma 5.6 on the latest kubuntu ?
[10:47] <Smurphy> Anyone has instructions ?
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:24] <markc> Smurphy: good question, I hope someone answers
[11:25] <acheron88> Smurthy: wait for it to be backported to the ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[11:25] <markc> Smurphy: it's been availble on Archlinux for about a month
[11:26] <acheron88> it'll be there in the not too distant future I think
[11:26] <BluesKaj> I got here too layte to see your question Smurphy, would you repost it please
[11:28]  * BluesKaj shrugs, guess not
[11:29] <acheron88> BluesKaj: it was variant on where is plasma 5.6 for kubuntu? when will we get it? why is it being slow getting it? etc etc....
[11:30] <acheron88> but packagers are short staffed, so it's be there when ready is all you can really say.
[11:32] <BluesKaj> there's a ppa available for it ..I treid 5.6 .3 , it broke my activities and really messde up my OS, not trying it agin soon. Your experience may be different, however
[11:33] <BluesKaj> scuse my typos
[11:39] <Smurphy> lol :) I'll wait :)
[11:43] <acheron88> BluesKaj: yes, that staging ppa is expected to break things fairly often, so not advisable
[11:44] <acheron88> Smurthy: hopefully it won't be long, but better an extra wait than broken packages/desktops
[11:45] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  there aren't many plasma 5.6.3 packages available yet anyway, check out the list https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Smurphy: ^
[11:50] <acheron88> There are a full desktop full https://launchpad.net/%7Ekubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.series_filter=xenial&field.status_filter=published&batch=75&memo=75&start=75
[11:52] <acheron88> but will hopefully be in a better working state when 5.6.4 is built for xenial
[11:53] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  obviously not full enough to work properly :-)
[11:54] <acheron88> It's a full list of plasma packages. How they work is another matter.....
[11:55] <acheron88> might be better now though update frameworks has been added, which was one prob with activities before
[11:56] <acheron88> I need to test that in a xenial VM sometime
[11:57] <BluesKaj> acheron88:  perhaps,  I was asked to test the state the packages were in a week ago , too soon ...they should have waited
[11:59] <acheron88> yep, that sounds before the FW 5.20 packages got added
[13:03] <challado> mi go$h
[13:06] <Smurphy> Ok - on my freshly installed mac-mini 2,1 - wifi works only after I restart the network manager -> sudo  service network-manager restart
[13:06] <Smurphy> Before that - no connection. why is that ???
[16:57] <johan> Hello.
[16:58] <BluesKaj_> hi johan
[18:06] <goddard> Does anyone know how to disable the notification about installing flash at boot up?
[18:23] <lethu> goddard: have you tried installing it?
[18:25] <goddard> lethu: i don't want flash
[18:25] <goddard> why would i?
[18:25] <goddard> It isn't even required for most the internet any more
[18:26] <lethu> goddard: then go to System Settings
[18:26] <lethu> then Notifications
[18:26] <lethu> then Other Notifications
[18:27] <lethu> and uncheck Restricted codec availability
[18:27] <lethu> I think it should do it
[18:27] <goddard> lethu: sweeet thanks
[18:28] <lethu> goddard: np :)
[18:38] <tahaan> I have a problem.  I have selected "Lock Screen
[18:38] <tahaan> I have a problem.  I have selected "Lock Screen " on the "When Laptop lid is closed" setting.
[18:39] <tahaan> When I do this, it causes problems with KDE.  The lock screen appears for a second, then the second screen "reverts" to showing the content on that part of the desktop.
[18:40] <tahaan> When I then unlock, several things are not working - The task bar is partially borked, and the window decorators are gone, and some window management functions are affected.
[18:40] <tahaan> If I lock the screen other than by closign the lid, I don't have any such problems.  But the problem is consistently repeatable.
[18:42] <tahaan> Also the problem is only present when the second screen is plugged in.
[18:46] <tahaan> Unplugging and re-plugging the screen causes other problems though.  The second screen forgets its configured resolution.  And the K-menu becomes weird.  (It starts to consistently require 3 clicks to show).  This weirdness goes away if I log out and back in.
[18:48] <Detroit> Hi all
[18:49] <soee_> hiho
[18:52] <DetroitBadBoy> Hi all.... again
[18:56] <goddard> anyone added project Neon software sources to stock 16.04?
[19:14] <Oderus> hi. the most recent update i did broke my wifi so i need to update to fix it. all my initramfs were updated so all my kernals are effected. how can i update from livecd?
[19:15] <mtn> Oderus: wouldn't it  be easier to use a lan connection?
[19:16] <mtn> Oderus: and what does breaking your wifi have to do with your kernels?
[19:17] <DetroitBadBoy> When you used the install CD did you mark the box that allows updates to come in while installing?
[19:19] <Oderus> mtn: i mean i cannot use an alternative kernal to boot up with and gain wifi. I suppose i could wire it but i would have to move my PC 3 floors, was hoping i could chroot and update or something to that effect :(
[19:20] <mtn> Oderus: what does the kernel have to do with your wifi? how do you know this?
[19:21] <Oderus> mtn: it was mentioned on the kubuntu forums that others had this issue and they fixed it by using an alternative kernal and update/upgrading. this doesnt work for me because all kernals seemed to be affected as I tried them all.
[19:21] <DetroitBadBoy> what distro are you using?
[19:21] <Oderus> xenial
[19:21] <mtn> Oderus: what is the wifi card/chip?
[19:22] <Oderus> pci-e card
[19:22] <mtn> Oderus: sure, which one? which chip? most of them have nothing to do with the kernel  as far as drivers go
[19:23] <mtn> Oderus: in a terminal: lspci -nn    paste the results to dpaste.com and give us the link
[19:23] <Oderus> unfortunately im in windows currently since my wifi does not function in linux
[19:24] <mtn> Oderus: well, we need some details to try to help you.
[19:24] <Oderus> okay. i will go do as you ask but will need to leave and return to do so. thank you.
[19:25] <mtn> Oderus: we only need the line for the wifi card
[19:25] <mtn> oh well
[19:25] <DetroitBadBoy> hmmmm
[19:31] <lynxlynxlynx> hey, any eta on when plasma 5.6 hits the repos?
[19:33] <DetroitBadBoy> lynxlynxlynx: 22 march this year
[19:33] <lynxlynxlynx> you mean may?
[19:34] <DetroitBadBoy> no March. It has already been released
[19:35] <DetroitBadBoy> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/03/kde-plasma-5-6-released
[19:35] <DetroitBadBoy> That's the link all about the release of it
[19:36] <lynxlynxlynx> that's the upstream release
[19:36] <lynxlynxlynx> i can see it in the unstable repo for yaketty, but that's it
[19:36] <DetroitBadBoy> Yes, still in the shaekdown cruise stage to work out bugs
[19:39] <oderus> mtn: got disconnected, not sure if you saw my last post.
[19:40] <mtn> oderus: I was waiting on the lspci line for the wifi. did you get it?
[19:41] <oderus> yes i did, located here http://paste.ubuntu.com/16418884/
[19:42] <oderus> Basically the issue is that an update broke my wifi but if i update, it will repair itself. so i need to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade but for my hard drive installation, from live cd. Wifi on livecd works just fine
[19:43] <mtn> oderus: you would have to chroot in from the live disk and then run your commands
[19:43] <tahaan> I want to strangle whoever decided the volume sliders must be horizontal.
[19:43] <oderus> mtn: how do i do this? i know my installation is on sda6...
[19:44] <DetroitBadBoy> tahaan: lol
[19:44] <mtn> oderus: here is basic chroot info, but you use your commands, not fixing grub: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[19:44] <oderus> mtn: great, thank you for your time
[19:44] <tahaan> WTF was wrong with having them vertical?
[19:45]  * tahaan slaps head
[19:49] <oderus> mtn: OK i have chrooted and everything, but when i try to get the update it tells me my connection is refused.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/16419174/
[19:50] <mtn> oderus: no internet connection
[19:51] <oderus> mtn: strange, it's this PC i am using..
[19:51] <DetroitBadBoy> oderus: when you get into your linux distro desktop, do you see a network connection icon anywhere on the screen?
[19:53] <oderus> DetroitBadBoy: when i boot, it shows a different icon than usual in place of the network icon. When i click this, it brings up a small notification windows that says this: " Error loading QML file: file:///use/share/plasma/plasmids/org.KDE.plasma.networkmanagement/contents/ui/main.qml:23:1: plugin cannot be loaded for module "org.KDE.plasma.networkmanagement": Cannot load library /use/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/KDE/plasma/
[19:53] <oderus> networkmanagement/libplasmanm_qmlplugins.so: (/use/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libplasmanm_editor.so: undefined symbol: _ZN14NetworkManager11WimaxDevice16staticMetaObject E)"
[19:53] <oderus> sorry i will pastebin next time, didnt think it was that long
[19:54] <DetroitBadBoy> No worries
[19:55] <DetroitBadBoy> It looks like an update issue to me. I suggest connecting to a wired source then try to update
[19:55] <DetroitBadBoy> That would be the first logical step
[19:56] <oderus> DetroitBadBoy: Ok, i will do that, im sure it will work, just was trying to avoid moving my pc 3 floors down heh :/
[19:56] <mtn> oh, right: logic!
[19:57] <DetroitBadBoy> I understand completely. If you need help after that, someone will mroe than likely be here to lend assistance
[19:57] <oderus> DetroitBadBoy: thank you :)
[19:57] <DetroitBadBoy> oderus: yw :)
[20:00] <DetroitBadBoy> (doing my best Mr. Spock) Live long and perspire.....
[20:22] <marco-parillo> 262822Can you invoke kde-spectacle from krunner (alt-f2)?
[21:31] <denza242> Is it possible to boot from a USB device from within GRUB?
[21:40] <goddard> denza242: ive never heard of that
[21:41] <goddard> im getting a kmail bug
[21:41] <goddard> when i close kmail and try to open it again .. the window isn't displayed
[21:41] <goddard> i have to kill the kmail process that runs in the background and then start it and then it displays the window
[21:50] <lethu> goddard: try starting kmail from a terminal then read the feedback to troubleshoot
[21:50] <goddard> lethu: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363085
[21:51] <lethu> I see
[21:52] <goddard> lethu: it happens ever time
[21:52] <goddard> maybe kubuntu speciic i dont know, but i am sure the kmail maintainers/developers know better then i would
[21:52] <lethu> goddard: yeah
[21:59] <roadfish> I push a flashdrive on my TPLink modem and would like to access it from Kubuntu. I'm not clear on how to get this working.
[22:00] <goddard> roadfish: you would probably have to use the protcol provided by the modem
[22:00] <roadfish> I went into Network on Dolphin and it has stuff like MTP Device, Network, Network Services, Samba Shares, etc
[22:01] <goddard> roadfish: i would bet samba share is what it uses
[22:01] <roadfish> ok, the modem's pdf says something like: smb://tplinklogin.net
[22:01] <goddard> yeah thats samba
[22:01] <roadfish> I'm new to this stuff so I'm kind of clueless on what to do
[22:01] <roadfish> ok, Dolphin says: Unable to find any workgroups in your local network. This might be caused by an enabled firewall.
[22:01] <goddard> roadfish: sounds like you were spot on just didn't know what the smb:// means
[22:01] <goddard> add a new connection
[22:01] <goddard> it opens a wizard dialog
[22:01] <roadfish> So I guess I need to fiddle my firewall.
[22:02] <goddard> dont think so
[22:02] <roadfish> Ok, good. Just get this wizard dialog going.
[22:02] <goddard> usually it is disabled by deault unless you enabled it
[22:02] <goddard> you can check your firewall with "ufw status"
[22:02] <roadfish> Status: active
[22:03] <DetroitBadBoy> roadfish: when you click on that link you posted does it ask you to launch the application?
[22:03] <roadfish> I did activate it back when I set up my Kubuntu.
[22:03] <goddard> ahh
[22:03] <goddard> i think by default all outgoing connections are allowed
[22:03] <goddard> so no issue
[22:03] <roadfish> I'm a bit paranoid and firewall makes me feel warm.
[22:03] <roadfish> warm and safe
[22:03] <goddard> roadfish: no its a good idea
[22:03] <goddard> i do that as well
[22:04] <roadfish> so is the firewall messing up? I am not getting this wizard dialog when clicking on Samba in Dolphin.
[22:04] <goddard> roadfish: no probably not unless you disallowed apps connecting out
[22:05] <goddard> usually ufw allows connections out, but not connections in unless specifically written in the rules
[22:06] <roadfish> I have a vibe that I might have tightened up ufw a bit extra. But my memory is hazy. I did this back 1.5 years ago.
[22:06] <roadfish> I'm trying to remember how to dump the ufw rules. I think I was using the graphical version during setup.
[22:07] <roadfish> ok, maybe not. I was looking at rules in gufw. and it seems that I didn't any anything.
[22:08] <roadfish> I have outgoing: Allow and incoming: Deny. Which I assume is standard.
[22:10] <roadfish> goddard: you were talking about getting a "wizard dialog" going. Is this done with Dolphin or am I using the wrong app? How do I trigger this dialog in Dolphin?
[22:11] <roadfish> by the way, I'm still 14.04 Trusty. Not yet got that 16.04 going.
[22:13] <goddard> roadfish: yeah its in dolphin
[22:14] <goddard> just click the network piece
[22:17] <roadfish> ok, then what? I tried Samba Shares and I get that message about a firewall. I also tried "Add Network Folder". That gives me a popup wizard, I guess. Ther is nothing on Samba after that. I get Webfolder (webdav), FTP, Microsoft Windows network drive, Secure Shell. Do I use one of these?
[22:19] <roadfish> Ok, I tried this command line operation:
[22:19] <roadfish>    sudo mount -t cifs //<IP_ADDRESS>/ samba/ -o rw
[22:20] <goddard> roadfish: usually it works after adding a samba share item
[22:21] <goddard> roadfish: and that firewall message is a general message and a suggestion it doesn't actual get that information intelligently
[22:23] <roadfish> goddard: ok, I see a place to enter the smb address in the Samba share. I added my smb://tplinklogin.net
[22:23] <roadfish> now I'm seeing this error: Could not connect to host for smb://tplinklogin.net/
[22:23] <roadfish> something to search on
[22:26] <roadfish> goddard: got it!!!! one webpage gave some IP-addresses to try. and \\<IP_ADDRESS> is it for me!!!
[22:26] <roadfish> goddard: thanks for the hand-holding.
[22:27] <roadfish> next mission is to try to mount it so I can access with "cp" and "mv" command-line operations.
[22:32] <goddard> roadfish: nice
[22:32] <goddard> roadfish: probably ssh
[22:32] <roadfish> good I like ssh


[00:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[00:00]  * apachelogger is quite exhausted
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> funfun
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> so is our marketing strategy still screenie?
[00:03] <apachelogger> yes
[00:03] <apachelogger> we didn't have enough people around to get beyond that :P
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I won't block on this, but please ask upstream to explicitly say the license for /kabckeyselectorbase.ui and /exportkeysbase.ui in their next release.
[00:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: what exactly is lensfun?
[00:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apparently I did upload kdeedu to intrepid? ;-)
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yus
[00:07] <apachelogger> ok, we need a batscript for that
[00:08]  * apachelogger thinks stuff might be missing from our kexi-kde4 package
[00:08] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: That's it based on manual review of the source.  I'm going to build it now.
[00:09] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I am not sure one should license ui files
[00:09] <apachelogger> they aren't real source after all
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.  Well he lists an author for them.
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> If it has an author, it needs a license I think
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Perhaps just drop them from debian/copyright then.
[00:11] <stdin> same for /kabckeyselectorbase.ui too?
[00:11] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Author or Copyright?
[00:12] <ScottK-laptop> Don't explictly list them in debian/copyright at all.
[00:12] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[00:13] <ScottK-laptop> Installing the build-dep in my chroot: "628MB of additional disk space will be used"
[00:15] <vorian> apachelogger: everyone eh?
[00:16] <apachelogger> vorian: everyone does the blog promo ... how is the amd64 cd coming along?
[00:16] <vorian> apachelogger: good
[00:18]  * apachelogger should use cached imap
[00:18] <vorian> brb
[00:18] <apachelogger> kio_imap is way too slow
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: can has promo meeting minutes?
[00:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: -devel
[00:20] <apachelogger> bug 269428 got a lazy reporter
[00:20] <apachelogger> "I don't attach screenshots because they have personal information (name, photo and email) form other people, but if it's necesary, I can edit the images first and load them."
[00:20] <apachelogger> I am so going to ask for a screenshot :P
[00:20] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: It FTBFS for me.  It does need kdepim-dev as a build-dep.
[00:21] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: make[3]: *** [CMakeFiles/kopete_cryptography.dir/cryptographyplugin.o] Error 1
[00:21] <stdin> it used to only need kdepim, I guess it changed in the releases since I last packaged
[00:26] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well that FTBFS is after I added kdepim-dev
[00:35] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: apparently it needs boost: /usr/include/kleo/decryptverifyjob.h:38:32: error: boost/shared_ptr.hpp: No such file or directory
[00:36] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: OK.  Please update the build-dep along with the other changes and upload.  I'll look at that one.
[00:40] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: that's actually a bug in kdepim, -dev should depend on libboost-dev
[00:40] <ScottK-laptop> Interesting.
[00:43] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I think you need to build-dep on it directly.
[00:45] <stdin> the reall error is "In file included from /tmp/buildd/kopete-cryptography-1.3.0-kde4.1.1/cryptographyplugin.cpp:46: /usr/include/kleo/decryptverifyjob.h:38:32: error: boost/shared_ptr.hpp: No such file or directory", and decryptverifyjob.h is from kdepim-dev
[00:45] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I'll buy that.
[00:45] <stdin> and kdepim build-deps on libboost-dev too, so the -dev should have it
[00:46] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.  None of the other -dev packages are there.
[00:46] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: ksudoku moved from individual package to kdegames, would I file a binary + source removal or just source?
[00:46] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Just source after you've uploaded the new kdegames.
[00:46] <apachelogger> well, it is in games since first KDE 4 upload ;-)
[00:47] <stdin> builds ok with libboost-dev, uploaded to revu
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: What do you think about adding all the -dev build-dep for kdepim to kdepim-dev?
[00:50] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Very sensible IMHO.
[00:51] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: OK.  I'll do that next.
[00:51] <stdin> that'd mean both libboost-dev and libgpgme11-dev can be removed from kopete-cryptography build-deps after
[00:52] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.
[00:52] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I advocated.  Your turn: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-cryptography
[00:52] <apachelogger> meh, I wanted to catch up on bug mails :P
[00:53] <apachelogger> NCommander: when does REVU get it's oxygen icons?
[00:53] <ScottK-laptop> Any other kdepim changes lying around?
[00:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: you should query LP for bugs with patches
[00:54] <ScottK-laptop> I am.
[00:54] <apachelogger> otherwise kdepim is a big black whole to me :P
[00:55] <vorian> at least it spirals
[00:56] <stdin> oh, apachelogger, about your kubuntu-bugs request. seeing as it's had no response try posting it on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:56] <apachelogger> I am not subscribed there.
[00:56] <apachelogger> stdin: could you please? :)
[00:56] <stdin> yeah, sure
[00:57] <Hobbsee> what is it?  a ML request?
[00:58] <stdin> Hobbsee: request that an LP admin get in contact with the person that owns it, to ask if they could let us use it
[00:58] <stdin> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/44672
[00:59] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:02] <stdin> apachelogger: sent
[01:07] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: You just changed the kde4bindings bug I just 'fixed' in my last upload to Invalid.  Do I need to unfix it?
[01:08] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: kdebindings was invalid, kde4bindings seems just right
[01:08] <apachelogger> stdin: thank you
[01:10] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Ah.  OK.  Thaks.
[01:10] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[01:10] <apachelogger> hm
[01:10] <apachelogger> stdin: What is the point of the get-orig-source target?
[01:10] <stdin> apachelogger: ScottK-laptop asked me to add it because the tarball is a .bz2
[01:11] <apachelogger> hm
[01:11] <apachelogger> uscan says:
[01:11] <apachelogger> -- Successfully downloaded updated package kopete-cryptography-1.3.0-kde4.1.1.tar.bz2
[01:11] <apachelogger>     and symlinked kopete-cryptography_1.3.0-kde4.1.1.orig.tar.bz2 to it
[01:11] <apachelogger> Which makes the get-orig-source target pretty obsolete IMHO.
[01:11] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: But you still need to turn it into a tar.gz
[01:11] <apachelogger> hm
[01:12] <apachelogger> true
[01:12]  * apachelogger misread ;-)
[01:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you poke upstream with the gtk-qt-engine issues?
[01:14]  * JontheEchidna can't find a polite way to says "your code is buggy"
[01:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: "The ubersized ubuntu community found some glitches in gtk-qt-engine which might be of interst for you"
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> well, he did subscribe himself to a number of the bugs
[01:16] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: You're missing a K.
[01:16] <stdin> "Fix your damn code, dawg!" :p
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> so I think he's aware of the issues
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> and he has been committing translation updates
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> I just think real life (tm) happened
[01:17] <apachelogger> I think reducing complex stuff to gtk is just not much fun :P
[01:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 268864 ;-)
[01:19]  * apachelogger is wondering if there is a bug about Amarok not calling the library library but collection
[01:20] <apachelogger> hum, weak
[01:21] <apachelogger> stdin: -crypto should really be using the defaut key from kmail :P
[01:23] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot107.png which keys do you think is it fetching?
[01:25] <apachelogger> stdin: 3 lines in copyright exceed 80 characters
[01:26] <apachelogger> + DEBIAN_DIR := $(shell echo ${MAKEFILE_LIST} | awk '{print $$1}' | xargs dirname ) |||| the shell experession starts without inital whitespace but ends with one
[01:26] <apachelogger> stdin: uploading
[01:26] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: BTW, that lintian test is getting dropped in the next lintian update.  I wouldn't worry too much (the copyright one_.
[01:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: it is more about me and my terminal size ;-)
[01:27] <apachelogger> luckily I was in a mood for katering
[01:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[01:28] <stdin> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#ChangingOrigTarball is where that line is from
[01:28] <apachelogger> that is no excuse for bad source formatting!
[01:28] <stdin> when the guide is wrong, then it is an excuse ;)
[01:28] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I am really wondering why openid works with REVU.
[01:30] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload
[01:32] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: It's a wiki.
[01:33] <apachelogger> oh, nice FFe he got there :D
[01:37] <ScottK-laptop> Right, I'll review it after the FFe.
[01:38] <ScottK-laptop> I'd rather wait for Riddell to say he wants it.
[01:38] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Riddell wants all the plasmoid we can get I think
[01:38] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[01:39] <ScottK-laptop> Ack'ed.  Needs two though.
[01:45] <apachelogger> This plasmoids is totally KDE 3.
[01:56] <jjesse> evening
[01:56] <vorian> hi jjesse
[01:56] <jjesse> how ar eyou?
[01:57] <vorian> good
[01:57] <vorian> just watching the OSU game
[01:57] <vorian> :/
[01:57] <vorian> :)
[01:57] <vorian> :(
[01:57] <jjesse> i hope OSU looses ;)
[01:57] <vorian> too bad for your guys
[01:58] <jjesse> after embarsement of michigan
[01:58] <jjesse> how many freakin fumbles can they give up?
[01:58] <vorian> haha
[01:58] <vorian> HAHA
[01:58] <vorian> HAHAHAHA
[01:58] <vorian> ok, better now
[01:58] <vorian> and to NotreDame?
[01:58] <vorian> sheesh
[01:58] <vorian> that's almost like Apalachian State
[01:59] <jjesse> yeah almost
[01:59] <vorian> they had some Rudy today though
[02:00] <jjesse> yeah they did
[02:00] <jjesse> norte dame played tough
[02:00] <vorian> if osu loses, it will be 10 years before the Big 10 gets any cred back
[02:01] <jjesse> at least
[02:01] <vorian> we suck lately
[02:01] <jjesse> i just came from SEC country and they mock the big ten all the time
[02:01] <vorian> :(
[02:02] <vorian> I grew up in SEC country
[02:02] <vorian> i always hated the Big 10
[02:02] <jjesse> why?
[02:03] <vorian> don't know
[02:03] <vorian> :)
[02:03] <vorian> it's what everyone else was doing
[02:03] <vorian> you know, Arkansas hated Michigan ( basketball )
[02:04] <vorian> that's about it really
[02:04] <vorian> oh, the big 8 was a hated conference too
[02:04] <vorian> those darn Tigers
[02:05] <vorian> osu is doing much better than i thought they would to start off
[02:05] <jjesse> agreed
[02:47] <jjesse> oooo new grub editor tool in system settings
[02:47] <jjesse> that's pretty cool
[02:56] <jjesse> what's the difference between Printing and system-config-printer kde?
[02:56] <vorian> sheminie
[02:56] <vorian> i hate this game
[02:57] <jjesse> no longer watching not going very well?
[02:59] <vorian> no
[02:59] <vorian> every time there is a break through play, there seems to be a magical penalty
[03:00] <vorian> it's magic
[03:24] <ScottK> Cool.
[03:24] <ScottK> Just did hibernate/resume in the middle of a kdepim testbuild and it just keeps going ...
[03:25] <vorian> cool
[03:59] <ScottK> NCommander: You see my kde4bindings/hppa pain?
[04:01] <NCommander> ScottK: no
[04:01]  * NCommander just woke up
[04:01] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  See the scrollback.  lpia is fixed, hppa is not.  Thanks.
[04:01] <NCommander> ScottK: build log?
[04:02] <ScottK> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17598822/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.kde4bindings_4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:03] <ScottK> Apparently it still tried to compile the mono stuff even without the build-deps
[04:04] <NCommander> It doesn't actually try to compile, just execute the install rules
[04:04] <NCommander> Hrm
[04:05] <NCommander> YOu didn't add !hppa to the .NET packages
[04:05] <NCommander> Architecture: any :-P
[04:05] <ScottK> Urgh.  I didn't
[04:05] <NCommander> SHould be any [!hppa]
[04:06] <ScottK> That's what I have here.
[04:07] <NCommander> This is what happens when you package when tired
[04:08] <ScottK> OK.    Care to roll me a debdiff to fix it.
[04:09] <NCommander> :-P
[04:12]  * ScottK is not kidding.
[04:14] <NCommander> I know
[04:14] <NCommander> Still :-P
[04:15] <ScottK> In any case, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17596075/kde4bindings_4%3A4.1.1-0ubuntu2_4%3A4.1.1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz seems to be plenty full of [!hppa] to me.
[04:16] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah, apt-get soure grabbed 0ubuntu2 instead of 3 so I fail
[04:17]  * NCommander needs to trackdown a HPPA machine someone will help me hack on
[04:17] <ScottK> NCommander: Do a test package with [!lpia] and throw it at a ppa.
[04:22] <NCommander> ScottK: Well, it seems I was wrong about any !hppa
[04:22] <ScottK> OK.
[04:23] <NCommander> I'm going to test two things, then I'll have a patch for you
[04:23] <ScottK> OK.
[04:24] <NCommander> ScottK: I'll also have ktorrent for you in a few minutes
[04:25] <ScottK> NCommander: I'm just about dead here.  It may have to wait.
[04:26]  * NCommander shoves a coffee funnel down scott's throat
[04:26] <NCommander> LIVE DAMN IT
[11:50]  * NCommander pokes Riddell
[11:59]  * apachelogger pokes NCommander
[12:01]  * NCommander explodes
[12:29]  * apachelogger hates it when people remove the file extensions -.-
[12:40] <NCommander> apachelogger: ew
[12:40] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:40] <apachelogger> NCommander: when is REVU getting oxygen icons? ;-)
[12:40] <apachelogger> smarter: did you apply for motu yet?
[12:40] <NCommander> apachelogger: talk to RainCT
[12:41]  * apachelogger is too shy :S
[12:54] <apachelogger> \sh: ping
[13:07] <vorian> haha
[13:07] <vorian> apachelogger: you shy?
[13:07] <apachelogger> yus :S
[13:07] <knome> bah
[13:07] <apachelogger> though
[13:07]  * knome doesn't agree apachelogger being shy
[13:07] <apachelogger> NCommander: you could send RainCT in here
[13:08] <NCommander> k
[13:08] <knome> what should one ask from him?
[13:08] <apachelogger> oxygen icons for REVU
[13:08]  * apachelogger would love to see oxygen on REVU :)
[13:08] <knome> what is revu?
[13:09] <apachelogger> knome: package reviewing system thing - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com
[13:10] <apachelogger> bug 79386
[13:10] <apachelogger> I am wondering how he would access that documentation
[13:11] <knome> apachelogger, i can ask him :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> knome: I am not going to stop you :P AFAIK NCommander already sent him a patch
[13:11] <knome> k
[13:12] <knome> done
[13:12] <knome> you want me to paste you that launchpad url as well?
[13:13] <knome> *him
[13:15] <apachelogger> knome: probably not :P
[13:15] <knome> k
[13:15] <knome> i said that he could join #kubuntu-devel and ask you if he needs more info :P
[13:16] <apachelogger> knome: thx
[13:16] <knome> np
[13:17] <knome> i'm not afraid of speaking to people :P
[13:17] <NCommander> apachelogger: I didn't send him a patch, he told me he was going to add them on his own I thought
[13:18] <gribelu> I purged qt4-qtconfig and when i reinstalled it i got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/46840/
[13:18] <apachelogger> okay
[13:18] <gribelu> the system used to be hardy, upgraded to intrepid
[13:19] <gribelu> is there any way to search by package version or something? i'd be curious to see if the are any hardy ppa packages left
[13:19] <apachelogger> me@apoc { ~ }$ apt-cache show qt4-qtconfig | grep Ver
[13:19] <apachelogger> Version: 4.4.1-0ubuntu2
[13:19] <apachelogger> no good
[13:19] <gribelu> should be 1ubuntu i think
[13:19] <apachelogger> holy
[13:19] <apachelogger> barracuda
[13:19] <apachelogger> batman!
[13:21] <apachelogger> gribelu: report a bug
[13:21] <RainCT> Hi
[13:23] <RainCT> knome, NCommander, apachelogger: ping
[13:23] <apachelogger> RainCT: heya
[13:23] <knome> hello RainCT
[13:23] <apachelogger> RainCT: so, how about making REVU use oxygen icons? ;)
[13:23] <RainCT> (s/ping/pong)
[13:23] <gribelu> apachelogger: ok.. trying :) Not sure how to describe the bug but i'll try
[13:23] <RainCT> uhm.. and what's the rationale for that? xD
[13:24] <apachelogger> jtechidna: *poke* we need to merge qt 4.1.1-1 from experimental
[13:24] <jtechidna> weren't we going to merge KDE too?
[13:24] <apachelogger> RainCT: it looks nice and consistent, unlike the current icons
[13:24] <NCommander> RainCT: condition of my Kubuntu membership, you said you were using oxygen icons for comments/advocations
[13:25] <jtechidna> apachelogger: I assume we have a standing feature freeze for things such as these?
[13:25] <jtechidna> *standing feature freeze exception
[13:25] <apachelogger> jtechidna: merges mostly just change the packaging, so we won't need one ;-)
[13:25] <jtechidna> kool
[13:25] <apachelogger> otherwise we would have to wait for jr
[13:26]  * jtechidna hasn't merged before, should be fun :D
[13:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:26] <apachelogger> qt4-x11 is a pita to merge
[13:26] <jtechidna> I did sit on on jr's last merging tut on kubuntu tutorial day
[13:26] <jtechidna> *in on
[13:26] <apachelogger> just like the most important KDE modules are
[13:27] <NCommander> I can merge it
[13:27] <NCommander> er wait
[13:27]  * NCommander runs
[13:27] <apachelogger> lol
[13:27] <gribelu> apachelogger: agaist which package you i think i should file that bug?
[13:27] <NCommander> why is it a pita to merge?
[13:28] <apachelogger> gribelu: qt4-x11, but make clear that this issue is caused by the kde4 ppa rather than anything official
[13:28] <RainCT> NCommander: I don't see any reason why whe would want to change the icons to which everybody is already used to, but well.. you have commit rights :P
[13:28] <NCommander> well, REVU is already in KDE blue ;-)
[13:29] <jtechidna> apachelogger: basically we take the debian packaging and add back all applicable changes since the last merge?
[13:29] <apachelogger> yus, oxygen would go well with the current color scheme ;-)
[13:29] <jtechidna> documenting everything, of course
[13:29] <apachelogger> NCommander: debain kde has a different traget user group, so we have to decided for every patch if it actually is useful to us
[13:29] <NCommander> apachelogger: what does debian kde do to their qt4?
[13:30] <apachelogger> jtechidna: there are different approaches, the most common way would be to take the current debian package, and pull in the changes as documented in the changelog/KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES file
[13:30] <apachelogger> NCommander: they patch half their KDE stack to not build recursive
[13:30] <apachelogger> becuase they can't wait for KDE to do that in 4.2
[13:31] <RainCT> NCommander: change them if you want, but if persia blames you that's your problem ;P
[13:31]  * apachelogger will send persia some cookies
[13:31] <NCommander> persia already blames me for blue REVU
[13:31] <NCommander> That being said, I still believe its easier on the eyes
[13:31] <apachelogger> +1
[13:31] <jtechidna> +1
[13:32] <NCommander> \o/
[13:32] <apachelogger> oh, now I know what I wanted to say at the marketing meeting
[13:32] <apachelogger> we need new colors :D
[13:32] <RainCT> NCommander: and norsetto blames you for the font size :P  (an option to select different CSS files is in progress, btw)
[13:32] <NCommander> black and gold
[13:32] <NCommander> RainCT: yes well, I didn't expect anyone to WANT large fonts
[13:33] <apachelogger> one could of course zoom in :)
[13:33] <jtechidna> may I suggest my plasma theme for our new color scheme? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/A+Pimp+Named+Slickback+%28for+the+contest%29?content=77640
[13:33] <gribelu> apachelogger: i hope it's ok https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/270114
[13:33] <apachelogger> aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:33] <jtechidna> the note pad even has spinners \o/
[13:34] <apachelogger> jtechidna: that is so 90'
[13:34] <apachelogger> s
[13:34] <jtechidna> I made it in one day in inkscape as a joke
[13:34] <apachelogger> did that inkscape have no GTK theming?
[13:34] <knome> lol
[13:34] <knome> i'm using ~color scheme for my client
[13:35] <apachelogger> gribelu: btw, QT == QuickTime
[13:36] <gribelu> yes yes
[13:36] <gribelu> everyone knows that
[13:36] <knome> not everybody in the world
[13:36] <apachelogger> why do you report a QT4 bug against Qt 4 then :P
[13:37] <gribelu> ah so the case is a problem? hah
[13:37] <gribelu> too much for me
[13:38] <gribelu> someone should come up with qT
[13:38] <gribelu> then we'll all be happy
[13:40] <gribelu> libstrigiqtdbusclient0 [0.5.11-1ubuntu0~hardy0~ppa1 (now) -> 0.5.11-1 (intrepid)]
[13:40] <gribelu> and another one
[13:41] <gribelu> new bug? or just comment on the other one?
[13:44] <gribelu> there's actualy even more of them http://paste.ubuntu.com/46851/
[13:46] <gribelu> so is there no way of search for packages with "hardy" in their version string?
[13:46] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:46] <apachelogger> gribelu: add everything to that bug report
[13:56] <NCommander> hey devfil
[13:56]  * apachelogger moves out for coffee and cookies
[13:56] <apachelogger> NCommander: when I am back, I want to see shiny new icons on revu :P
[13:57] <knome> hmm
[13:57] <knome> coffee
[13:57] <knome> not a bad idea
[13:57] <devfil> hi NCommander
[13:57]  * NCommander smacks apachelogger
[13:57] <devfil> hi to all
[13:57] <knome> apachelogger, say hello to yer parents :P
[13:57] <NCommander> devfil: whats your feelings on the new firefox EULA?
[13:58] <devfil> NCommander: I don't like firefox at all...
[13:58] <NCommander> devfil: what do you use?
[13:59] <devfil> NCommander: midori (ubuntu) konqueror (kubuntu), I really like webkit
[14:00] <NCommander> I can tell
[14:00]  * NCommander is considerig proposing removal of firefox with abrowser replacing it in the kubuntu seed
[14:04] <devfil> NCommander: written in qt there is also arora
[14:10]  * |gunni| keeps using firefox because of all the useful plugins
[14:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: lensfun is a library for image corrections, it can be used by digikam
[15:19] <gribelu> hmm.. my Qt apps don't use kde's colors. If i reapply the "Apply colors to non-KDE applications" option while a Qt app is running, the colors will be used instantly though. But after i restart the app they are gone again
[15:20] <gribelu> same goes for apps using gtk-qt
[15:20] <gribelu> anyone else having this problem?
[15:20] <mcas> hi
[15:20] <mcas> i have two bugs in launchpad about the welcome sound
[15:21] <mcas> one from hardy one from intrepid
[15:21] <mcas> bug 270113
[15:21] <mcas> and bug 260270
[15:22] <mcas> do you think these bugs are duplicate?
[15:33] <jtechidna> mcas: yes
[15:33] <mcas> thanks jtechidna
[15:55] <apachelogger> devfil: qwebview is at this time not completely ready for default installation
[15:56] <apachelogger> I plan on changing the konqueror backend to webkitkde once Qt 4.5 is out
[15:56] <apachelogger> neversfelde: for what version of digikam?
[15:56] <devfil> apachelogger: qwebview? I hope you are talking about qwebkit :)
[15:57] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I think it is 0.10 beta3
[15:57] <apachelogger> devfil: there is no such thing as qwebkit, go read the docs :P
[15:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no high priority then
[15:57] <neversfelde> k
[15:57] <devfil> apachelogger: there is a module called qtwebkit
[15:58] <apachelogger> true
[15:58] <apachelogger> anyways, not ready in 4.4
[15:59]  * devfil didn't know the existence of qwebview
[16:00] <apachelogger> devfil: it's the major widget of qtwebkit
[16:00] <devfil> ok
[16:07] <apachelogger> someone please try to reproduce bug 270137
[16:07]  * apachelogger doesn't seem to be able to
[16:07] <apachelogger> NCommander: still no nu icons :'-(
[16:07] <apachelogger> smarter: did you apply for motu yet?
[16:09] <jtechidna> apachelogger: that's an nvidia driver issue
[16:09] <jtechidna> RENDER corruption
[16:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:09] <apachelogger> I hate nvidia -.-
[16:09] <apachelogger> jtechidna: please move the bug around
[16:09] <apachelogger> or duplicate
[16:09] <jtechidna> actually I haven't seen any bug reports
[16:10] <jtechidna> lol, they still didn't fix the bug where the ball goes in the walls
[16:10] <jussi01> nope, not an nvidia bug - I have it here on hardy with an ati
[16:10] <jussi01> apachelogger: ^^
[16:10]  * jtechidna doesn't have it on hardy with nv
[16:11] <jtechidna> *intrepid
[16:11] <apachelogger> jussi01: so it is an X issue
[16:11] <apachelogger> or maybe just closed source stuff
[16:11] <jussi01> apachelogger: Id say so
[16:11] <jtechidna> apachelogger: ati drivers could have the bug too
[16:11] <apachelogger> maybe we should close as "don't use closed source crap"
[16:12] <jtechidna> nah
[16:12] <jussi01> rofl
[16:12] <jussi01> my card: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[16:12] <jtechidna> jussi01: using the fglrphoafhasz drivers?
[16:13] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:13]  * jtechidna never remembers how their spelled
[16:13] <jtechidna> to many consanants scrunched together
[16:13] <jtechidna> fglrx I think
[16:13] <jussi01> jtechidna: yeah
[16:15] <apachelogger> jtechidna: bug 144756
[16:16] <apachelogger> I consider this a bug, what do you think?
[16:16] <jtechidna> I consider that title engrish :P
[16:17] <jtechidna> I think it's more of a wishlist for KDE to directly manage the low-level proxy stuffs
[16:20] <apachelogger> jtechidna: well, think about it from a user point of view
[16:21] <apachelogger> you have one proxy setting, this setting should apply _everywhere_
[16:21] <apachelogger> either on a user base level or in case the configuring user also got sudo access, on a global level
[16:22] <jtechidna> eh, then I'd mark it as low and forward it as wishlist
[16:39] <apachelogger> jtechidna: do we have any canidates for package training?
[16:39] <jtechidna> that dude who is doing plasmoid-cpuload
[16:39] <apachelogger> that dood is up at all weird times :P
[16:45] <jussi01> Hrm, is there a terminal plasmoid yet?
[16:45] <apachelogger> no
[16:45] <apachelogger> needs some changes in konsole which will only get in 4.2
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what do fix_target_link_libraries patches do?
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> in kdeutils
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> debian
[16:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: 4.2 will be in intrepid, no?
[16:46] <apachelogger> probably reorder the libraries it is linked against
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you don't need to pull it in if it builds fine without it
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but make sure you mention it in KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: considering intrepid comes out next month and 4.2 comes out in january, I'd say no :P
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually I'm pbuilding with it at the moment
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> (with the patch)
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well you know my POV on patches ;-)
[16:48] <apachelogger> having a useless patch doesn't exactly make it any better
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> The patch basically adds this: ${KDE4_KDECORE_LIBS} ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS})
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> to kgpg's link library target
[16:49] <apachelogger> might be necessary for debian
[16:49] <apachelogger> because they don't link recursive by default
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's what you were talking earlier about recursive building?
[16:52] <apachelogger> yes, by default cmake in KDE 4.1 will link recursive so for example very low level deps will show up in the deb, while the actually content doesn't depend on that stuff at all
[16:52] <apachelogger> but e.g. kdelibs does, so the application would be linked against the low level stuff as well
[16:52] <apachelogger> which is of course a PITA when e.g. libc7 gets released ;-)
[16:52] <apachelogger> rebuilding all of KDE \o/
[16:53] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GNU_IceCat_3.0.1-g1_about_lhe.png
[16:53] <apachelogger> all the beauty of gtk :P
[17:06]  * goatsocks likes the icecat logo
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what do you think about this one? bug 270006
[17:16] <yuriy> isn't that an option in software properties?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but I think he wants adept to download the packages
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> then send out the notification
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> which is quite silly imo
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what do I need to do when I'm done merging?
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> make a debdiff?
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> file a bug and upload everything?
[17:29] <apachelogger> debdiff is enough
[17:29] <apachelogger> well, bug + debdiff then subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[17:29] <apachelogger> or better let me review the changes first :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, you would upload current ubuntu -> current debian, current ubuntu -> merge and current debian -> merge debdiffs
[17:31] <apachelogger> makes it easier to avoid regressions
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> so which do you wanna see first?
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> debian + merged?
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> s/+/->
[17:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: all 3
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> okie
[17:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, I don't agree on the wont fix of bug 270006
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> why?
[17:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IIRC software-properties-kde does have an option to auto-install secruity updates
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but that does everything in the background
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> which you can do with normal updates too
[17:35] <apachelogger> well
[17:35] <apachelogger> you can apt-get -d
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> what does that do?
[17:35] <apachelogger> there is no problem with downloading the stuff, then just let the user decide when to process the downloads
[17:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just download but not install
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> but the user would still be notified about updates while they were downloading in the background
[17:36] <apachelogger> just needs to be changed
[17:36]  * JontheEchidna just thinks it's silly
[17:36] <apachelogger> well, you could ask for the report's use case
[17:37]  * apachelogger doesn't really think if you download the stuff as it comes in or all at once at update time
[17:37] <apachelogger> ...does matter
[17:38] <apachelogger> The windows usecase is pretty obvious, as it install stuff by default in background it can make doom very unentertaining ;--)
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> I think in this case the user just wants to lower the percieved install time
[17:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, that is understandable, isn't it?
[17:45] <apachelogger> my laptop is updaing for half an hour now ;-)
[17:45] <apachelogger> *updating
[17:46] <ScottK> NCommander: Any word on kde4network and hppa?
[17:47] <NCommander> ScottK: I sorta got sidetracked last night on it >.>;
[17:47] <apachelogger> hm, that firefox eula thread is growing and growing and growin
[17:48]  * apachelogger thinks it might eat malone
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent debdiffs
[17:49]  * JontheEchidna just clicks ok on the eula and doesn't care
[17:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so really supposed to be in kdepim-dev for real and not as a symlink?
[17:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's a qt designer pluign
[17:51] <apachelogger> One wouldn't really need it at runtime.
[17:51] <ScottK> OK, then we need to change kdepim-dev to arch any.
[17:51]  * ScottK will add that to the upload he's prepping.
[17:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you check that nothin build-depends on kdeutils-dev?
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yup
[18:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kdeutils-dbg depends and suggests kdeutils ;-)
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> oops, forgot to remove the suggests
[18:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: changelog got one extra line
[18:04] <apachelogger> and you broke the changelog
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> broke it?
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you take our changelog, search the last merge, then put in the changes debian did in the meanwhile
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> so take all the changelog entries since our last merge from debian's changelog file
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> and insert them in between the new merge and the last ubuntu change?
[18:08] <ScottK> NCommander: Don't we need to get those binaries added to packages-arch-specific?
[18:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: technically you should order them
[18:08] <apachelogger> according to version number
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> well, whomever merged last forgot to bump up the debian number
[18:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: I thought it was by date?
[18:09] <apachelogger> hm
[18:09] <apachelogger> might be
[18:09] <ScottK> Usually that gets you the same answer, but not always.
[18:09]  * apachelogger is rusty on merging
[18:11] <NCommander> ScottK: You'll have to get it added in Debian, Ubuntu doesn't have its own p-a-s
[18:11] <NCommander> Having the arch field should do the trick, I need to just test one last thing
[18:11] <ScottK> OK, I'll be off for a while.
[18:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: Ubuntu wiki doesn't tell
[18:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just take a look at the changelog and check how jr did it
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: either he obliterated the changelog to, or we didn't have any differences
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> s/differences/releases
[18:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe check qt4-x11 or kde4libs
[18:14] <apachelogger> he definitely merged one of these :P
[18:15]  * JontheEchidna just ordered everything by date
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> 22:30 < Riddell> emacs lets me edit both the new and old changelog files at once
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> 22:31 < Riddell> I copy all the existing changelog file and use it to replace the entries from 0.9.6-1 in the new one
[18:17]  * JontheEchidna doesn't get that
[18:20]  * apachelogger neither
[18:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess he is talking about split viewing
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> well yeah
[18:20] <apachelogger> which probably makes sense
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> but, replace the entries in which file?
[18:21] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:21] <apachelogger> you shouldn't realy replace stuff
[18:22] <apachelogger> +l
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Riddell replaces all previous ubuntux entries with the entire debian changelog
[18:22] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[18:23] <apachelogger> certainly not best practice
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> anyway, should ordering by date be good?
[18:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> notice anything else yet?
[18:23] <apachelogger> nah, looks good otherwise
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> kool
[18:32] <NCommander> ew
[18:32] <NCommander> That's bad merging
[18:33] <apachelogger> ♥ no-merging
[18:33] <apachelogger> now what did I want
[18:33] <apachelogger> right
[18:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have time for a hardy ppa backport?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> sure
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> what needs backported?
[18:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gtk-qt-engine
[18:35] <apachelogger> just need to know how
[18:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think we should do a plain backport (just exchange the cdbs)
[18:36] <apachelogger> gtk-qt-engine is hardcoding it's theme path to the .gtkrc, so even if -kde4 is installed it would use the qt 3 version
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> whee
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll do it in a little bit
[18:37] <apachelogger> so we probably should replace gtk-qt-engine completely with the intrepid version and force the qt 3 version to disappear
[18:37] <apachelogger> which fixes the flash crashes
[18:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://volatile-minds.blogspot.com/2008/09/trouble-with-kde-and-wifi-bcm43xx.html
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> bug 270168 is real helpful
[19:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lol
[19:19]  * JontheEchidna likes the idea of renaming firefox to Godzilla Firecox
[19:19] <knome> cox like cocks?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> fireroosters :P
[19:20] <knome> bah
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> interpret it how you will, but I got a chuckle out of it
[19:23] <NCommander> How about Ferce Crud for the new FF :-)
[20:03]  * apachelogger thinks half of launchpad is in revu-uploaders
[20:07] <ScottK-palm> NCommander: I've got an FTBFS for you to look at.  how about samba4?
[20:08] <ScottK-palm> Anyone here with Kubuntu Intrepid multi-head up for some testing?
[20:09] <NCommander> ScottK-palm: I can be multi-head
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> If you are, look in guidance-power-manager (sorry, don't have the bug #) and look for the most recently changed bug.
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> It's got a patch that looks reasonable to meam but ought to get test.
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> test/tested
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> Gotta run.
[20:37] <dsfds> THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org
[20:37] <dsfds> THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org
[20:38] <jpds> Quite.
[20:49] <NCommander> jpds: do we have any ops in #kubuntu-*
[20:50] <goatsocks> NCommander: Riddell opped himself the other day
[20:50] <vorian> yes
[20:51] <vorian> there are also staffers lurking here
[20:51] <NCommander> I assume those are members of ubuntu-irc?
[20:51] <goatsocks> the irc ip of the spammer matches the ip the spammed URL resolves too... looks like a joe-job ;)
[20:52] <vorian> that spammer is no longer with us
[20:52] <goatsocks> s/too/to/
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> vorian: bug 269938 and bug 269896
[20:53] <vorian> ta!
[20:54]  * NCommander claps at vorian's magic
[20:55] <vorian> hmm?
[20:55] <vorian> i want magic!
[20:57] <vorian> JontheEchidna: these wouldn't happen to be on revu would they?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> vorian: nope
[20:57] <vorian> bother
[20:57] <vorian> ok
[20:57] <vorian> :)
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> somebody's been having fun with python this weekend
[21:09] <vorian> whoa
[21:09] <vorian> wind is picking up
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> Heh: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/powerdevil/
[23:44] <apachelogger> NCommander: ping


[06:55] <guiverc> my read thru is complete  (yeah I realize bashing-om isn't here..)
[13:41] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: VLC 3.0.7 Released with Improved MP4 Support, 42 Security Fixes @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=143635 (by Joey Sneddon)
[21:18] <Bashing-om> WIKI582 up for acceptance and or edits. A lot to compare to that of Gdoc. We have a ways to go yet.
[21:34] <krytarik> Bashing-om: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/05/28/%23ubuntu-news.html#t04:44 - since you are here currently.
[21:41] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Looking :)
[21:45] <krytarik> And since nobody responded to it, I've already reverted the formatting of the New Members and Devs header in the Google Doc to how it was previously, so that hopefully next time it's used anybody will notice and ask.
[21:52] <Bashing-om> Looking for the issue where the "table of contents" was corrupted that prompted that change, I am fine with the table as you presently have it.
[21:56] <Bashing-om> I have chores to go finish up .. be back here in a spell.
[21:59] <krytarik> Well, I'm guessing that trying to insert another subheader while the New Members and Devs one is already at the 3rd level, might have been the issue - in that case it'd be just "[22:43] <Bashing-om> Back - and attention to proposed WIKI edits :)
[23:06] <Bashing-om> System crash :( .. back :D


[18:18] <darkmatter> vish: rofl and lols. I need to clean shit up: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1812/nautilusredowip9pt.png :P
[18:50] <vish> darkmatter: eentersting!
[18:50] <vish> <evil burns laugh>
[18:50] <vish> what is "bookshelf"?
[18:51] <darkmatter> vish: sorting/naming cleanup needed a bit (perhaps?) but its getting there
[18:52] <darkmatter> vish: ahhh.. that's one of the library views. it's akin to an actual library, but snazzy and digital library (gallery modes etc for mo betta fun). bookshelf would have local ebooks and maybeez access to online public stuff (like ePub etc)
[18:52] <vish> darkmatter: confusing though, why there is Recent /and/ History.. BookMarks+Devices and the again System..
[18:52] <vish> then*
[18:53] <darkmatter> vish: like I said. needs a cleanup :P
[18:53] <vish> darkmatter: ebooks .. pfff! grab the book!
[18:54] <darkmatter> vish: I prefer real books. but I'm thinking of fun for all. doesn't mean it would be there by default. I'm just hinting at possible crap
[18:57] <vish> darkmatter: iPad spoils you all!
[18:57] <vish> darkmatter: Music and video , Maybe labeled as Entertainment/Media?  or better as separate Music and Video .. folks would probably prefer them separate
[18:58] <darkmatter> vish: still a wip obviously, but getting there. _but_ the important part. a sorted sidebar with collapsible categories. not OMG! AMAZING!... just NO, D'UH! :P
[19:01] <darkmatter> vish: specific sublistings are irrelevant at this time. the point is you can pile your crap where you want it and avoid excessive clutter (thus the expanders)
[19:01] <darkmatter> vish: and yesh. Entertainment/Media would probably be better
[19:02] <vish> darkmatter: well , this has been mockuped before too ,nothing new ofcourse ;) except the "applications" but iirc , applications is a Finder thingy?
[19:03] <darkmatter> vish: I stuck it in there for fun ;D
[19:09] <darkmatter> vish: aside from the basics that still need polishing, I would really prefer to chance the pathbar icons, sidebar icons and such to symbolics. I find icons = technicolor vomit blobs at small sizes ;)
[19:10] <vish> darkmatter: yeah , i cant really stand the tango icons on the toolbars :/
[19:11] <vish> darkmatter: in the end you will end up with an elementary-nautilus mockup ;p
[19:15] <darkmatter> vish. a _nice_ tango icon is the as-history one jimmac did for banshee. now that look would be great for pseudo-symbolic (not necessarily the tango style). I mean. it's clean, monochromatic like symbolics but has  a certain degree of dimension to it
[19:16] <vish> darkmatter: screenshot of the banshee icon?
[19:16] <darkmatter> http://jimmac.musichall.cz/wipicons/banshee/16x16/as-history.png
[19:17] <vish> ah..
[19:17] <darkmatter> vish: it's a nice style (I don't mean the tango part :P)
[19:18] <vish> darkmatter: the panel clock icons do they change if the clock icon is in the theme or do we have to replace the usr/share.. one?
[19:18] <darkmatter> vish: it's kinda like ms did in longhorn (when it had the pretty ui), but silvery instead of blue. but yeah, in general small sizes should be more glyph like
[19:19] <darkmatter> vish: not sure. I haven't tested, I just replaced the system ones
[19:19] <vish> righto..
[19:28] <darkmatter> vish: quick pathbar mod. it actually kinda signals that you can interact with it now. http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5215/nautilusredowip9pt2.png
[19:38] <ejat> hi .. where can i get new ubuntu branding font?
[19:38] <vish> darkmatter: the dropdown is supposed to do what? change path to..?
[19:39] <vish> ejat: not yet available..
[19:39] <ejat> :(
[19:40] <darkmatter> vish: it's inspired by awesomebar with locationbar2 addon.
[19:40] <darkmatter> so it's basically recent/find as you type.. blah blah
[19:41] <vish> darkmatter: then an odd choice to display it as a button , if  user can type there..
[19:41] <darkmatter> vish: in concept it could kill the sidebar, but I'd need to figure out the desired interaction
[19:42] <vish> darkmatter: then surely something we can expect for Gnome 30.0 ;p
[19:43] <darkmatter> vish: yeah, I know. it's not done yet. I still need to decide on an entry look that doesn't make it look like windows 7 :P
[19:43] <darkmatter> vish. I could stuff the search in and have just a single entry... hmmm...
[19:44] <darkmatter> but it needs to retain framing in any case. otherwise teh home button looks silly
[19:49] <darkmatter> vish: sojourn is nicer looking and easier than fixing nautilus. maybe I'll just jump back into the mockups for it. but I need to finish the theme first :(
[20:05] <darkmatter> vish: but the idea _was_ to have it basically be like a custom combo entry. and have the left change to editable when you click in an empty space
[20:10] <vish> ah crap! why cant i arrange banshee music by genre or albums :/
[20:41] <jenniepet> Hi! Just a quick question: What is the license for the ubuntu-mono icons?
[20:42] <vish> kwwii: ^^ ;)
[20:42] <vish> jenniepet: basically you cant copy or reuse them without asking Mark :)
[20:44] <jenniepet> :S So that is why they are separate from Humanity.
[20:46] <jenniepet> vish:Thanx though! By the way, is the Lucid icon theme finalized now? Or will there be any new updates?
[20:47] <vish> jenniepet: nope more updates ...
[20:47] <vish> err , nope, no*
[20:50] <jenniepet> vish:Thanx!