[08:33] <DrManhattan> I have upgraded my samba to version 4.1.6 but Im still getting the talloc memory leak error. Is there any way I can keep samba password sync to user accounts and get rid of this memory error? no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory
[14:19] <elopio> good morning.
[15:29] <elopio> ping rhuddie, about the launching click app.
[15:30] <rhuddie> elopio, hey
[15:30] <elopio> rhuddie: hello.
[15:31] <elopio> rhuddie: can you please add a card for the application custom proxy object, and put an estimate on it.
[15:31] <elopio> hopefully, we will have time at the end to document it.
[15:32] <elopio> rhuddie: and, about the last part of launching with qmlscene, I was referring to do it from a test.
[15:32] <elopio> qmlscene would be the binary to launch, and the qml file the argument.
[15:32] <rhuddie> elopio, ah, I was going to check with you about that
[15:32] <elopio> so it would be something like self.launch_test_application('qmlscene', '....qml')
[15:33] <rhuddie> right
[15:33] <rhuddie> I'll add the card and make that update
[15:34] <elopio> rhuddie: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit/base.py#L47
[15:34] <elopio> I'm not sure if we should document that's the function we should use. It feels like it's in the wrong module.
[15:34] <elopio> but in many cases, you need to pass the full path to qmlscene, and that depends on your arch.
[15:37] <elopio> rhuddie: and lastly, this doesn't work for all click applications. Some will need to be compiled and launched from the binary they generate.
[15:37] <elopio> rhuddie: "A click application can also be launched directly from source."
[15:38] <elopio> maybe instead you can say, the main qml file of some click applications can be launched directly from source.
[15:39] <rhuddie> elopio, I'll do that
[15:39] <elopio> rhuddie: thank you.
[15:40] <elopio> rhuddie: veebers didn't reply about the failing tests, so I think we'll have to wait until monday to merge all your branches.
[15:41] <rhuddie> elopio, ok. I ran your new test this morning and got it to work
[15:41] <elopio> paulliu: I will touch a little your rotation branch, so we can have a branch for everybody to review. I'll send you the MP by mail, in case I finish too late for you.
[15:42] <elopio> rhuddie: yes, in order to run the autopilot tests from source you have to do like
[15:42] <elopio> python3 -m autopilot.run run autopilot.tests.functional...
[15:42] <elopio> otherwise it will use the installed ones.
[15:42] <elopio> it took like a month for me to realize that. I used to rely only on jenkins results :)
[15:43] <rhuddie> elopio, well, you learn something new every day.... I'll make of that one!
[15:49] <balloons> elopio, rhuddie :-) Do we think the docs could be more explicit about that . . . because you know, we are updating them
[15:50] <elopio> balloons: I think so. Can you please write two cards, and estimate them. One for documenting on the readme how to run the tests, and one for documenting on the readme how to generate the docs?
[15:50] <balloons> elopio, sure thing
[15:50] <elopio> balloons: thanks.
[16:01] <alesage> elopio IMO let's stop adding cards else the work will "expand to fit" the sprint as for the last few
[16:01] <alesage> need to plan better if we're not really serving the story
[16:03] <elopio> alesage: we need the cards. I'm not sure if we have to move them to the backlog, or to do them this sprint.
[16:03] <elopio> that's something to discuss in our meeting.
[16:04] <balloons> alesage, I agree in principle, but they are 2 hour tasks. In addition, I feel like this might be a natural thing and thus we should plan a buffer of hours which we intend to fill
[16:04] <balloons> does that turn afoul of scrum?
[16:05] <alesage> elopio, balloons, just don't want to ride off the rails, we'll discuss; balloons imagine we're billing (as if we're not really :) )
[16:09] <balloons> alesage, it's a somewhat outlandish idea, no worries about knocking it down. But if I was billing I would most certainly adjust it into my estimate, or set expectations. It's not work we're forced to do, simply something that needs done which is 'on sale' because we're already working in that area
[16:09] <balloons> I would upsell it if billing by the hour, or try to squeeze it in as a value-add if billing contractually
[16:10] <alesage> balloons, I like the "on sale" idea :)
[16:10] <balloons> "it'll never be cheaper"
[16:10] <alesage> :)
[16:14] <alesage> weird scenario in that you're both the client and resource here balloons
[16:15] <balloons> elopio, have you updated the template for autopilot tests in qtcreator yet?
[16:18] <balloons> if so, I'd love to have it
[16:18] <balloons> I just wanted to have a peek at the ap tests ofc
[16:21] <knome> balloons, if elopio and alesage aren't billing you, can i?
[16:21] <knome> :P
[16:21] <balloons> ahh knome, I knew you could offer something on this subject :)
[16:21] <knome> of course
[16:21] <knome> i can make you an offer you can't deny
[16:22] <balloons> always compelling knome
[16:22] <knome> not if it involved blackmailing ;)
[16:22] <alesage> we need a currency based on Launchpad karma
[16:22]  * knome gets some coffee
[16:23] <knome> alesage, if only the launchpad karma would be an accurate figure of how much you have contributed to *anything* in ubuntu...
[16:24] <rhuddie> elopio, I made updates to the click mp, but I didn't mention get_qmlscene_launch_command(), as it seemed like the wrong place to mention it
[16:25] <knome> besides, wouldn't that mean canonical employees should decide if they take their salary in money or karma :P
[16:25] <alesage> personally I do it for the t-shirts
[16:26] <knome> hah :)
[16:26] <elopio> rhuddie: +1
[16:45] <rhuddie> balloons, for autopilot launch, you mentioned -t parameter for specifying toolkit. I can't find mention of that, do you mean -i ?
[16:46] <balloons> rhuddie, indeed I do sorry about that
[16:46] <balloons> rhuddie, I was just looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/autopilot/launch-cmd-doc/+merge/246601; I'm working on the tutorial re-write, and I'm wondering if it might be easier for you to not update the references to python3 so my mp goes in easier
[16:47] <balloons> or I should just depend on yours
[16:47] <balloons> I think I'll just merge yours and depend on it as it should be set soon
[16:47] <balloons> nvm
[16:48] <rhuddie> balloons, I don't mind. quite happy to remove the 3s from mine. then all my changes are in 1 place and easy to merge
[16:53] <balloons> rhuddie, thanks. I'll do the updates as I go then
[16:54] <rhuddie> balloons, no problem
[17:22] <elopio> balloons: I'm not working on autopilot for qtcreator. At least not yet.
[17:22] <elopio> what I updated was the qml template.
[17:23] <balloons> elopio, ack, no worries I just carried on myself anyway
[17:23] <elopio> and after our meeting and lunch, I'll need to re-merge it, so it's not done yet.
[17:23] <balloons> mmm.. lunch
[17:24] <elopio> balloons: even better, lunch not cooked by me, but by somebody who knows how to cook, my mother-in-law :)
[17:24] <elopio> there's plenty, you should come.
[17:25] <balloons> elopio, wonderful. Food by someone who can cook is always welcome
[17:32] <alesage> elopio, rhuddie balloons forgot that we don't have a standup today :)
[17:32] <balloons> alesage, I realized the same, but went to the hangout anyway
[17:34] <elopio> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/qa-scrum?authuser=1
[17:34] <elopio> alesage: balloons: rhuddie: charles: can you join please?
[17:34] <elopio> it's an error that we don't have a standup in the calendar for today.
[17:35] <alesage> charles, care to hop on for a sec?
[17:35] <alesage> balloons too :)
[17:49] <sak> balloons are you their?
[17:50] <balloons> hey sak, I am indeed
[17:51] <sak> Awhile back, I was maintaing, or trying to create test cased for two ubuntu packages, vimo and other I can't remember.  would like to get back into package maintaining. Is this on option for QA testers?
[17:52] <balloons> sak, maintaining the test or the package?
[17:52] <sak> I think that was what I was doing.
[17:52] <balloons> if you want to help maintain tests that is always welcome and definitely possible. elfy loves to see people helping out :-)
[17:52] <sak> The test, I think
[17:53] <sak> Is there a list of packages that needs test cases?
[17:54] <balloons> sak, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests, and you can use the tags to find bugs specific to a flavor, or things that are easy (bitesize)
[17:55] <sak> Thanks
[17:57] <sak> Also, is launchpad used as the central news site for anything or everything related to ubuntu development , testing milestones and beta releases?
[17:58] <balloons> sak, planet.ubuntu.com is helpful for a what's what. Specific to testing, you can use the qa calendar
[17:58] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Calendar
[17:58] <balloons> following ubuntu, ubuntu qa, etc on social media also helps
[17:59] <sak> ;-)
[18:05] <balloons> sak, also don't be a stranger on IRC, plenty of folks idling here happy to help you out or chat :-)
[18:08] <sak> Ok, I will try to be more active here. I figured if not related to QA, there wasn't much to say
[18:10] <charles> elopio, sorry I didn't join, you're right I didn't think there was a standup today b/c of your comments yesterday and it not being on the calendar today
[18:10] <balloons> sak, speaking personally I like channels to feel alive. Feel free to say hello anytime
[18:10] <charles> elopio, did alesage discuss the code we've been working on?
[18:12] <sak> Hello!!! LOL. balloons, you got
[18:14] <balloons> sak, :) Howdy! I think you'll fit right in here
[18:17] <elopio> charles: if you can go to the document and update your status there, it would be great.
[18:17] <elopio> charles: sorry about the meeting. I still don't know how to move it from nz monday to rest-of-the-world friday
[18:19] <sak> Have to go. Thanks for the helping balloons ;-)
[18:23] <elopio> I'm doing a mess and the calendar is still not updatig :@@
[18:24] <elopio> charles: balloons: alesage: next week stand ups will be one hour from now, at 19:30 UTC.
[18:24] <elopio> I'll keep trying to fix the calendar.
[18:24] <balloons> elopio, just to keep us on our toes?
[18:24] <charles> elopio, ack
[18:25] <elopio> balloons: you lost me :) Can you translate that to plain english?
[18:25] <charles> balloons, maybe different participants & he's trying to find the median time for the timezones
[18:26]  * alesage now wonders about the origin of balloons' phrase
[18:26] <elopio> I'm just going back to the original time. Next week we'll have thomi and veebers.
[18:26] <balloons> elopio, you are moving the time for the meeting just as we've gotten used to it. The 'just to keep us on our toes' is an idiom meaning keep us attentive and guessing
[18:26] <elopio> balloons: got it :)
[18:27] <elopio> I was confusing toes with ankles. That was a lot harder to picture...
[18:29] <balloons> elopio, right, I suppose on your toes instead of on your feet means you are nimble
[18:29] <balloons> ready to react :-)
[18:29] <balloons> idioms are so fun
[18:30] <elopio> we could do that. Surprise stand ups, whenever someone feels like bothering the rest :D
[22:45] <sak> someone please tell summer to speed up. Could not feel my hands for a good 5mins after I got home


[12:07] <ddaa> kiko: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/file6r9NCc.html
[12:12] <kiko> ddaa, I still haven't picked up the change to sortabled_init(). can you explain why it is necessary, and how it works without?
[12:12] <ddaa> that's the one that implements initial sorting
[12:12] <kiko> no
[12:12] <kiko> not in ts_makeSortable()
[12:12] <kiko> in sortables_init()
[12:13] <kiko> the whitespace thing
[12:13] <kiko> ah, I see, it is a simple matching fix? do you understand what the code is trying to do?
[12:13] <kiko> why doesn't it just match className == "sortable"?
[12:13] <ddaa> in your opinion why did it do ' '+thisTbl.className+' ' in the first place?
[12:13] <ddaa> kiko: because then it would not match class="foo sortable"
[12:13] <kiko> ah
[12:13] <kiko> I see.
[12:14] <ddaa> or class="foo sortable bar"
[12:14] <kiko> and yours makes it stop matching on unsortable
[12:14] <kiko> yes?
[12:17] <kiko> ddaa?
[12:18] <ddaa> yup
[12:18] <ddaa> it's the standard javascript trick to match on a class
[12:18] <ddaa> to any moderately experienced JS programmer (or somebody who has read a good DHTML book) it's a completely readable and standard idiom.
[12:18] <ddaa> bb in ten mins
[12:18] <kiko> no need to insult this poor brazilian
[12:19] <kiko> ddaa, you are missing a var in front of "lnk ="
[12:20] <kiko> please use curly braces in ts_stableSort() instead of the braceless if/else you are using
[12:20] <kiko> r=kiko with that
[12:22] <LaserJock> hmm, is it possible to make the portlets (or whatever the things in the side bar are called) have dropdown menus?
[12:24] <kiko> wow. what for?
[12:26] <kiko> ddaa, why don't you nuke the commented out initTable() while you are at it?
[12:27] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix for bug #5834: "Latest bugs in X" portlet should hide duplicates. Omit dupes in the portlet by using the right API. (r3430: kiko)
[12:27] <kiko> ah, finally.
[01:04] <jordi> mdke: it's only carlos
[01:04] <jordi> I'll look at kubuntu-docs tomorrow
[01:05] <jordi> nite
[01:11] <kiko> ddaa?
[01:11] <ddaa> on the phone
[01:11] <kiko> k
[01:45] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: r=BjornT Fix for bug 4880: Batch URLs should use 'start' and 'batch' instead of 'batch_start' and 'batch_end'. Changes the URL arguments to batches to be shorter, and to boot, quasi-user-customizable (r3431: kiko)
[01:46] <kiko> rock on bogart!
[01:47] <LaserJock> kiko: what does dilys actually do?
[01:47] <kiko> reports commits to RT
[01:51] <LaserJock> ah
[01:52] <kiko> RF apologies.
[02:00] <LaserJock> kiko: RF? btw I replied to your "Assigned bugs report and Fix committed" email
[02:01] <kiko> rocketfuel!
[02:01] <kiko> ah, cool, thanks
[02:08] <ddaa> kiko-zzz: sorry, it took a bit more than 10 mins
[02:28] <mpt> ddaa, the Web site for that table sorting JS is full of info saying "no! don'
[02:28] <mpt> crud
[02:29] <mpt> ... info saying "no! don't try to trigger this onload. Do initial sorting on the server."
[02:29] <ddaa> That's interesting.
[02:29] <mpt> and it's right, really
[02:29] <ddaa> The point is twofold
[02:30] <ddaa> my point at least
[02:30] <mpt> otherwise you're causing things to jump around unnecessarily
[02:30] <ddaa> noticed that
[02:31] <ddaa> Actually, the pages should definitely do the sorting on the server first. But initial sorting is good to set the arrow icon on the column it's initially sorted on.
[02:31] <ddaa> and then we need to make sure the sorting is indeed correct on that column
[02:33] <ddaa> Mh... my second point was that for the listing of all branches, we want to do the sorting on the client because it might take too long on the server (it's a page that screams for timeouts)
[02:33] <ddaa> but I think the sorting is not going to be that expensive actually...
[02:33] <ddaa> since everything will already be prefetched...
[02:33] <ddaa> (supposedly)
[02:35] <ddaa> Okay, then the second point is moot. How do you address the first one?
[02:36] <mpt> Set the "this column is sorted in this direction" CSS class on the relevant <th> yourself
[02:36] <ddaa> The lack of arrow on bug listings really bothers me, because I've got no clue why the heck are the bug listed in that way.
[02:37] <ddaa> mpt: that's quite fragile, don't you think?
[02:37] <mpt> No, why would it be?
[02:37] <ddaa> It's easy for the template and view code to get out of sync
[02:38] <ddaa> leading to a lying UI
[02:38] <mpt> I'm not saying hard-code the class= in the template
[02:38] <ddaa> even crashing is better than lying
[02:38] <mpt> but tal:attribute it based on the current sort order
[02:39] <ddaa> I'm not sure how you would do that...
[02:40] <ddaa> esp since the img that displays the arrow is created by the JS, so you cannot even set it from the template...
[02:41] <ddaa> given the proper JS hacking that would be something like, on every column, tal:attributes="sortdir ${python:view.initiallySorted("column")}"
[02:42] <ddaa> mpt: or am I misunderstanding you?
[02:44] <mpt> Something like <th tal:attributes="class view/initialPrioritySort">Priority</th>
[02:44] <mpt> and that returns ascending, descending, or "" depending on what the initial sort is
[02:45] <mpt> and fix the CSS to use classes instead of inserting the image manually
[02:45] <ddaa> Okay...
[02:45] <mpt> (so that, for example, we can change the background color too)
[02:46] <ddaa> I'll make a suggestion...
[02:46] <mpt> there's probably a nicer way to arrange the variable
[02:46] <mpt> view/initialsort/priority, perhaps
[02:47] <ddaa> I'm going to land that patch that I painfully got kiko to approve, so I can be happy landing the sabdfl's patch. Then I'll fix the sabdfl patch to do proper server-side sorting, and you fix the JS and CSS and templates to your liking.
[02:47] <mpt> That would be great
[02:48] <ddaa> At least, that gives stable sorting, which is a HUGE improvement.
[02:48] <ddaa> Something else for you...
[02:49] <ddaa> the sabdfl patch I'm working on introduces the "branches" facet...
[02:49] <ddaa> only incompletely so
[02:49] <ddaa> but he's very intent on my landing this code ASAP
[02:49] <ddaa> so it woud be nice if you could keep some room next week to apply the branch facet thoroughly
[02:50] <ddaa> I intended to split the thing in many small bits to make that stuff easier, but the sabdfl would have none of it.
[02:50] <ddaa> The rationale for the branches facet is that we should move to one vhost per major facet
[02:51] <ddaa> rosetta.launchpad.net
[02:51] <ddaa> malone.launchpad.net
[02:51] <ddaa> soyuz.launchpad.net
[02:51] <ddaa> bazaar.launchpad.net
[02:51] <ddaa> I share your likely reservations for this scheme, but that's how the sabdfl wants it.
[02:57] <mpt> I'm fine with rosetta.launchpad.net and malone.launchpad.net and maybe even bazaar.launchpad.net, but soyuz.launchpad.net is probably unnecessary
[02:57] <mpt> because it's primarily a directory
[02:57] <ddaa> mh... I'm not too sure about that one.
[03:01] <mpt> bbiab
[03:26] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [r=kiko]  sorttable supports class="initial sort" and stable sorting (r3432: David Allouche)
[09:33] <carsten> Hi
[09:34] <carsten> I filed a bug in ubuntu against the wrong product but don't see a way how to move it...
[09:34] <carsten> Furthermore, the bugwatch doesn
[09:34] <carsten> Furthermore, the bugwatch doesn't work here, it seems
[09:34] <carsten> Changes in the other bug don't appear anywhere inside launchpad (that other bugtracker is bugzilla)
[09:48] <BjornT> carsten: which bug is this?
[09:48] <carsten> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kernel-image-2.4.27-i386/+bug/38476
[09:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38476 in kernel-image-2.4.27-i386 kernel-build-2.4.27-2 "ACPI not working -- Laptop doesn't boot without acpi=off" [Normal,Needs info]
[09:49] <carsten> BjornT: I fullfilled the "needsinfo" part :-) Well, it is of course not against 2.4.x but against the kernel in Dapper
[09:49] <carsten> I clicked on the wrong link and didn't notice
[09:53] <carsten> Problem number 3: I cannot remove the double bugwatch :-)
[09:53] <BjornT> carsten: changes in bugzilla will appear in launchpad after a while, it's updated only once a day though.
[09:53] <carsten> No idea if the bug is in launchpad or if I am to stupid
[09:54] <BjornT> carsten: if you want to change the package in ubuntu, you can click on "
[09:54] <carsten> "?
[09:55] <BjornT> hmm, something strange happened there, tried to msg another nick privately :)
[09:55] <BjornT> ... kernel-image-2.4.27-i386 kernel-build-2.4.27-2 (Ubuntu)", there you can change the package.
[09:57] <carsten> BjornT: and the second bugwatch?
[09:59] <BjornT> carsten: just let if be there. at the moment you can't delete bug watches, bug 3140
[09:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3140 in malone "Bug watches can't be removed" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3140
[09:59] <carsten> ah, ok
[09:59] <carsten> BjornT: you are one of the launchpad devels?
[10:00] <BjornT> carsten: yes
[10:05] <carsten> ok, thanks BjornT. New lets hope somebody fixed my kernel-oopses :)
[10:05] <carsten> bye
[10:50] <mdke> jordi, right, thanks. I'll wait for carlos to do it then. it's likely to be monday I guess?
[01:00] <siretart> is the email interface supposed to accept PGP/Mime signed emails?
[01:01] <siretart> I sent a bug to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but I didn't get any reply yet
[01:02] <jordi> mdke: I'm afraid :(
[01:30] <mdke> jordi, ok. no worries
[02:04] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  New Caledonia speaks French, updated our sample data. (r3433: Carlos Perello Marin)
[02:18] <ompaul> how does one report a bug in launchpad itself, as opposed to in any particular distro,
[02:20] <mpt> ompaul, find the most appropriate part of Launchpad at <https://launchpad.net/projects/launchpad>
[02:20] <mpt> then once you're on the page for that product (Rosetta, Malone, Soyuz, etc, or "Launchpad" for general stuff), click "Bugs"
[02:20] <ompaul> mpt, thanks
[03:15] <kiko> mpt, what ever happened to the million nested sourcepackage JS menus?
[03:25] <kiko> BjornT, are you around?
[03:25] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix for bug #37347: Display team description even if no homepage is provided. Fix the template to DTRT. Also only display the latest tickets portlet if, well, the guy reported tickets (r3434: kiko)
[03:25] <kiko> yay
[03:45] <mpt> kiko, SteveA told me the plan was for him to contact some real DHTML experts he knows to implement those
[03:47] <kiko> okay
[03:47] <kiko> thank god we buy some time
[03:47] <kiko> you got mail
[03:53] <kiko> mpt, can I get an opinion from you on bug 35479?
[03:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35479 in launchpad ""First" and "Last" links in search results page" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35479
[04:01] <BjornT> kiko: what's up?
[04:02] <kiko> BjornT, sheesh, I forgot what I wanted to ask you but it was important
[04:02] <kiko> let me think about it
[04:02] <kiko> nope, won't remember
[04:03] <BjornT> kiko: if it was important you should have sent me an email already ;)
[04:03] <kiko> I was thinking about you and something popped up in my mind
[04:03] <kiko> but well
[04:04] <kiko> BjornT, how good is our bugwatch sync test setup for bugzilla?
[04:04] <kiko> do we have some test XML that I can work on using?
[04:04] <kiko> I'd like us to sync prio/sev
[04:04] <kiko> or at least to try it
[04:06] <BjornT> kiko: it's quite basic atm. you can look at doc/external-systems.txt and ftests/externalbugtracker.py
[04:08] <kiko> oh, there's a TestBugzilla?
[04:08] <BjornT> kiko: yeah. we should use a stub http server instead, but i didn't get around writing one.
[04:09] <kiko> ah, perfect!
[04:09] <kiko> this is already good enough
[04:09] <kiko> I can get priority and severity
[04:09] <kiko> easily
[04:09] <kiko> nice
[04:13] <svaksha> hi
[04:14] <svaksha> In LP what is the purpose of having two functions : -owner and -administrator for a team?
[04:14] <kiko> ho
[04:14] <kiko> the owner is, let's say, a meta-administrator
[04:14] <kiko> he is allowed to define other administrators
[04:15] <svaksha>  in the event the owner is unavailable and also if they are unable to inform their future unavailability to the team, then what ?
[04:15] <kiko> and can never lose that ability unless he decides to give away the team
[04:15] <svaksha> see, https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-women
[04:15] <kiko> svaksha, it's a launchpad admin request, essentially, though that's weird.
[04:16] <kiko> svaksha, okay so far. I see you are the owner of that team.
[04:16] <svaksha> yes but we want to keep it with same perms
[04:16] <svaksha> i am unable to do that
[04:16] <svaksha> now
[04:16] <kiko> I don't understand.
[04:17] <svaksha> hmm... in any project people come and go. But in the event the owner is unavailable and also if they are unable to inform their future unavailability to the team, then what ? so we want to keep the owner/admin status equal
[04:17] <svaksha> i hope i am making sense
[04:18] <kiko> that's not doable -- there always needs to be an owner
[04:18] <svaksha> cant both owner and admin be merged
[04:18] <svaksha> oh..ok
[04:19] <kiko> the reason for that is that administrators can give away their rights
[04:19] <kiko> and if they did
[04:19] <kiko> nobody would be a team administrator
[04:19] <kiko> and there would be no way to fix that
[04:20] <svaksha> :) i tried that and changed ownership to Clytie but she had to undo it to return ownership to me.
[04:21] <kiko> why did she have to undo it?
[04:21] <svaksha> In a team where there is more than one admin cant this be merged ?
[04:21] <kiko> no.
[04:22] <mpt> kiko, fixing the batching navigation is on my to-do list after I get the next lot of MaloneSimplifications up for review
[04:22] <svaksha> ok , thanks
[04:23] <kiko> mpt, just tell me what needs to be done and I will do it
[04:24] <mpt> kiko, http://developer.yahoo.com/ypatterns/pattern_objectpagination.php
[04:27] <kiko> ah, nice!
[04:27] <kiko> beautiful actually
[04:27] <mpt> kiko, maybe eventually Launchpad should have a set-piece workflow for changing the owner of a team via a poll triggered by the team's members
[04:28] <kiko> yeah, that would be an alternative
[05:23] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix for bug 1434: We should consistently ensure bugtracker URLs are slash-terminated (or not). Use urlparse.urljoin and everything goes away. (r3435: kiko)
[05:50] <kiko-afk> yay
[06:16] <wasabi__> Hi. So I was wondering about these bounty things. What project are they related to? Ubuntu or you c ould put anything up?
[06:16] <kiko> you could, but I wouldn't advise using that part of launchpad, which is completely busted.
[06:17] <wasabi__> ahh.
[07:01] <dilys> Merge to devel/launchpad/: [trivial]  Fix for bug 28615: Errors accessing linux-source-2.6.15 package releases. The DARBPR details portlet's data came from a query that didn't consider Removed packages, which of course are legal. Added test and fixed query (r3436: kiko)
[07:16] <kiko-zzz> yay
[07:28] <mdke> awesome news!! dapper only has 3 bugs
[07:28] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs
[07:37] <G0SUB_> mdke: is that real ?
[07:39] <mdke> G0SUB_, compare with https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:40] <G0SUB_> mdke: I guess dapper bugs are only those which have ``Dapper'' as the milstone, right?
[07:41] <mdke> god knows
[07:42] <G0SUB_> heh
[07:42] <mdke> I assume He understands launchpad
[07:59] <G0SUB_> lol
[09:59] <fireglow> hi
[10:52] <marseillai> hi
[10:53] <marseillai> siretart: i think your are involved in wpa_supplicant package! i have this bug wich seem to be wpa_supplicant issue but i don't know how reassign it .....
[10:54] <siretart>   marseillai which bug?
[10:54] <marseillai> this one : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/36086
[10:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36086 in network-manager "network manager can't activate eth1 interface" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[10:56] <marseillai> so i would like to know what i got to do? reassign it if i can? report a new bug? make a bugzilla report (already done)? nothing?
[11:00] <siretart> marseillai: have you tried to reproduce the problem without (k)network-manager?
[11:01] <marseillai> siretart: absolutly not because but it really seems it's a wpa bug .....
[11:02] <marseillai> how can i try to make my wireless card work in wpa without networkmanager ?
[11:06] <siretart> marseillai: see /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.{Debian,Modes} for documentation how to prepare your /etc/network/interfaces
[11:06] <siretart> marseillai: but for testing purposes, I'd suggest to start wpasupplicant on the commandline directly, so that you can capture a debug log (parameter -dd)
[11:07] <marseillai> pouarfff
[11:07] <marseillai> don't think to be able to do this
[11:07] <marseillai> .......
[11:08] <marseillai> may be another time! :s
[11:08] <marseillai> thx for your time siretart
[11:10] <siretart> marseillai: you have an ipw2200 you say? could you try another ap?
[11:10] <marseillai> of course
[11:10] <marseillai> wich one?
[11:11] <siretart> i suspect the nas on your ap behaves in a strange way. try one from another manufacturer
[11:12] <marseillai> i'm french i don't understand what you've just told
[11:18] <marseillai> siretart: my networkmanager is just from a fresh DF6 install so normally it should work but if you want me to try with another i can. Just tell me how to do if you can.....
[11:18] <siretart> marseillai: sorry, I don't use kde at all. I'm using plain wpasupplicant without any add ons
[11:19] <marseillai> oki
[11:19] <marseillai> i'll try to find another app wich manage wpasupplicant
[11:19] <marseillai> but i think only networkmanager do it
[11:20] <siretart> marseillai: I'd rather suggest starting wpasupplicant from the command line for testing before reassingning it to wpasupplicant
[11:21] <marseillai> i'll do but i absolutly don't know how to use it from command linde
[11:21] <marseillai> line
[11:24] <siretart> marseillai: I suggest reading the manpages.
[11:24] <siretart> anyway, need to leave now. sorry


[00:13] <kaushal> Hi
[00:18] <kaushal> I have cleared squid cache in squid. I am still unable to reach the global ubuntu mirror. is there a way to know where does squid deb proxy resides  in LAN ?
[00:19] <kaushal> I have restarted shorewall and squid services in gateway
[00:19] <kaushal> still no luck
[02:04] <cretsiah> finally got ubuntu10.10 installed :( dont like its partition manager/installer very much
[02:08] <cretsiah> is there a parents control i can install on ubuntu10.10 to control the available hrs and sites my kids can view??
[02:19] <elky> many routers have that inbuilt.
[02:22] <cretsiah> Im using an isp supplied router, and i only want to restrict certain users on each computer not all users
[02:40] <elky> Most people here are at work or school at the moment, but the #ubuntu channel or ubuntuforums.org may be helpful until this evening
[02:52] <cretsiah> ok ty elky
[15:46] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[15:46] <head_victim> pongish
[15:46] <head_victim> Here for a minute or two
[15:49] <head_victim> sagaci: ^
[15:49] <sagaci> head_victim, happy about lubuntu being official?
[15:50] <head_victim> Ecstatic, was listening in live for the UDS talk
[15:52] <sagaci> popped a bottle of champagne?
[15:55] <Octatron> come someone pop me a link to watch the talk?
[15:57] <Octatron> can someone*
[15:58] <head_victim> Octatron: haven't found it yet
[15:58] <head_victim> http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers
[15:59] <head_victim> That's the dump of UDS talks (I was listening in live from an audio feed)
[15:59] <Octatron> Cool thanks :)
[16:03] <head_victim> There are heaps of topics there to peruse :)
[16:14] <Octatron> Do you mean the UDS talk or the Wiki's?
[16:15] <head_victim> Both have heaps of stuff to look through but that comment was at the youtube
[16:20] <sagaci> mayb use etherpad for future translation jams?
[16:20] <head_victim> sagaci: feasible
[16:22] <sagaci> lubuntu dailies on aarnet will be schweet
[16:27] <Octatron> head_victim: Let me know if there's any other wiki's I can help with :)
[16:30] <head_victim> sagaci: indeed, be nice for hopefully some other devs to get on board as well
[16:52] <Octatron> In the spirit of getting more people to meetings has anyone suggesting using those free tv community announcements? channel 10 does them for free


[02:52] <jaskaran> hello everyone
[02:53] <jaskaran> i am using edubuntu to run thin clients in my college lab using LTSP
[02:54] <jaskaran> now I am thinking to deploy 5 more servers to serve 50 more thin clients using edubuntu
[02:54] <jaskaran> so I need to know how can I implement load balancing between the servers
[02:55] <jaskaran> any amount of help will be useful


[00:06] <Harvar> Hi
[00:37] <Nikki_> Hi
[00:37] <hoduchieu01> hi
[00:44] <hoduchieu01_> hi]
[00:55] <sonich2401> hi
[01:08] <sonich2401> hi
[04:32] <Yash_> Hello!
[06:17] <Adil> Hi!
[10:08] <sbs> join
[10:08] <sbs> hello
[10:08] <sbs> hi
[11:37] <terobero> hi
[11:38] <codeup> hi
[11:46] <sahithi> hi
[13:21] <Dee_> Hello documentation team!
[15:13] <vansh> hi
[17:52] <ROcky> HEY
[17:52] <ROcky> AOA
[17:52] <ROcky> I am competing in the codein challenge
[17:53] <ROcky> I have claimed your first task
[17:53] <ROcky> And how can I report this that i have joined the ubuntu channel?
[18:06] <pleia2> ROcky: hi there, can you share a link to the codein challenge main page? (I don't see participation directly from the documentation team, so I'm not sure what you're working on)
[18:06] <tush> hi
[18:11] <Mv> Hy
[18:11] <Mv> hi
[18:12] <tush> $ sudo snap install classic --edge --devmode
[21:46] <Omer> Hi


[02:05] <xubuntu_> hi xubuntu community
[02:06] <xubuntu_21_live> while start live two errors appear and dialouge to report problem
[02:07] <xubuntu_21_live> this is 2nd time in past i installed but after install errors notification appear frequent
[02:16] <xubuntu_21_live> i mean an unknown frequent irritating error notification in live and after install too
[05:20] <KBar> I have libgtksourceview-3.0 (version 3.24.11-2) and mousepad (version 0.4.2-1) installed. correct mimetypes are all set in /usr/share/gtksourceview-3.0/language-specs/sh.lang
[05:20] <KBar> but shell scripts with proper shebang without the .sh extension appended to their name aren't recognized
[05:21] <KBar> i have to set shell syntax highlighting manually every time
[05:22] <KBar> should i delete the line that has the "globs" property?
[13:18] <user> Could someone please help me diagnose whats wrong with my xubuntu dekstop? ive been on desktop linux sinve 2001 (suse 6 or something like that), xubuntu fo 10 and a couple on this laptop model. I'm truly stumped. I believe it to be Gaby Lake with one of the major series sound/wifi all intel cchipsets, which appears to be the problem area.  At low processor and memorty utilization, I get really high load symptoms such as toping here
[13:18] <user> t<ks seconds to turn up, local video plays accelerated hd, web video stutters, mp3 player and volume manager are also a comedy in terms ofd speed. Skipping along a few mainline kernels  the issue looks progressivvely worse, while the 3.15.20 (xubuntu repositories) has been the only tenable version. I can't seem to google it in the right way to get the great big elephant bug in the room
[16:11] <gnrp> user: It sounds like an interesting problem
[16:11] <gnrp> is there anything using the hard drive badly?
[16:13] <Maik> gnrp: they've had help on Telegram and seem to be cross posting in various places
[16:15] <gnrp> who is they?
[16:15] <Maik> the "user"
[16:16] <gnrp> ok
[17:26] <user> Thanks. My lx user has always been called user. According to my access logs, no brute forcer ever tries the user name user ;)
[17:27] <user> i'm posting on a few lx support chats, having been down the askubuntu/bugs/forums quick fixes routes in the hopes that one of you lot may be affected
[17:27] <user> Thanks. My lx user has always been called user. According to my access logs, no brute forcer ever tries the user name user ;) moment
[17:36] <user_> chrome is unusable. firefox sort of works. might be one of a bunch of extension i have on there that's particualarly harsh on wahtever the bottleneck might be
[17:42] <user_> So desktop use, browser open and mp3s running, cpu usage graph low, hdd and mem graph low
[17:43] <gnrp> But the system being slow?
[17:45] <user_> yes "load" is really high, while 8 gb sys with n5000 processor and mem are all underused
[17:46] <user_> there must be a bottleneck somewhere and i dont even know how to describe this lag, such as typing here on in whatsapp web it takes 3 seconds befoe the letters start to appear, app swirches via panel take several seconds
[17:46] <user_> volume manager tab change
[17:46] <gnrp> how do you determine hdd usage?
[17:46] <gnrp> it sounds to me like some issue with not being able to write stuff to the hdd
[17:49] <user_> i know youre more first responders of sorts, i used to provide some on forums at times, is light switch in on position, check fuse, rattle lightbulb, escalate in that order ;) but youre also a bunch of expert desktop users so i thought id give it a crack - and yes, i posted this on two xub supprt channels (i think thee, two on tg)
[17:49] <user_> its an sdd and theres nothing to be written. the dmesg had a bunch of sound issues
[17:49] <user_> intel-snd-hda, i just ended up at a dead end there
[17:50] <Maik> we are not experts at all, just some volunteers of which one has more knowledge than the other
[20:13] <ItheVins> hi everyone


[05:37] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[05:52] <Kilos> morning everyone
[05:58] <thatgraemeguy> hi Kilos, how goes?
[05:59] <Kilos> good ty thatgraemeguy and you?
[05:59] <thatgraemeguy> lekker thanks :)
[06:31] <pieter2627> ola all
[06:47] <inetpro> guten morgen
[07:31] <Kilos> hi pieter2627 inetpro
[17:52] <Kilos> hoi superfly gremble inetpro Cryterion
[17:52] <Kilos> ohi actually
[17:57] <gremble> Hey Kilos
[17:57] <gremble> How are you this evening
[17:57] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:58] <gremble> I am well thank you
[17:58] <gremble> Had a delicious spurt of rain now
[18:00] <Kilos> lucky
[18:32] <ateKORE> surp
[18:44] <Kilos> hi ateKORE
[18:45] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:46] <Kilos> hi qwebirc69858
[18:46] <ateKORE> yea, just lurking?
[18:46] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:47] <Kilos> ateKORE if you need linux help just state your problem and someone will help you as soon as they get a chance
[18:48] <Kilos> if you are an expert hang around and you can help someone else
[18:49] <ateKORE> no probs, just lurking to learn from other people's probs.  my arch is running just fine :)
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:49] <Kilos> actually linux is getting so good, that not many need help anymore
[18:51] <gremble> Another arch user
[18:51] <gremble> :P
[18:51] <gremble> Hey ateKORE
[18:56] <ateKORE> hey gremble xD, which DE?
[18:56] <gremble> Openbox and i3
[18:57] <gremble> I'm actually running antegros at the moment
[18:57] <gremble> Pretty much arch with numix
[18:59] <ateKORE> i'm on gnome3. how's i3 compared to bspwm, coz i was using bspwm before.
[19:00] <gremble> I've tried using bspwm but I am not clever enough to get it set up
[19:00] <gremble> i3 is fantastic
[19:00] <gremble> It is by far my favourite wm
[19:03] <ateKORE> nice. bspwm isnt that difficult to set up, though a bunch of the dot-files online come with scripts you have to tweak a little
[19:34] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:34] <gremble> Night Kilos
[19:34] <gremble> ateKORE: Perhaps I will give it a whirl when I get a HDD in install arch on it
[19:36] <ateKORE> yea, tried installing gentoo in vm, failed. gonna try again, it's so technical xD. compiling the kernel, deciding what the kernel needs and doesnt need.
[19:36] <ateKORE> *vbox vm
[19:37] <gremble> I've compiled a couple of kernels, not that hard at least. The first time is somewhat of a mission
[19:37] <gremble> gentoo's portage sortof got me over the novelty
[19:37] <gremble> I wanted librea office. It took like a day and a half to compile
[19:40] <ateKORE> day and a half is pretty long. though as much as i hate to admit it, msoffice beats libre by a longshot. I used to have a win7 in vm to use office
[19:42] <MaNI>  Mon Feb  9 19:02:15 2015 >>> app-office/libreoffice-<IP_ADDRESS>
[19:42] <MaNI>        merge time: 2 hours, 57 minutes and 51 seconds.
[19:42] <MaNI> you need a new CPU :)
[19:42] <gremble> Haha that may also be true
[19:43] <MaNI> also gentoo has binaries for things like libreoffice
[19:44] <MaNI> libreoffice-bin firefox-bin etc. so compiling is not strictly necessary for the big stuff
[19:44] <gremble> I didn't know that gentoo did binaries
[19:45] <gremble> I would like to do FreeBSD but I don't know if it integrates as well with day-to-day use as gnu/linux does
[19:45] <MaNI> msoffice being better than libreoffice, well I guess that depends on your frame of reference and what you are doing, I've certainly seen some instances where the opposite applies
[19:46] <gremble> libreoffice implements comments and track changes poorly. Or at least in a non-mscompatible way
[19:46] <gremble> Which is somewhat bothersome
[19:52] <ateKORE> im out, later