[01:20] <CIA-24> partman-base: cjwatson * r83 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog partman):
[01:20] <CIA-24> partman-base: * Backport from trunk:
[01:20] <CIA-24> partman-base:  - Don't emit confusing log messages if partman-lvm or partman-crypto are
[01:20] <CIA-24> partman-base:  already loaded.
[01:22] <CIA-24> partman-base: cjwatson * r84 ubuntu/ (commit.d/parted debian/changelog lib/base.sh):
[01:22] <CIA-24> partman-base: - Allow disable_swap to take a device argument, in which case it only
[01:22] <CIA-24> partman-base:  disables swap on that device rather than on all devices.
[01:22] <CIA-24> partman-base: - Only disable swap on devices that are being changed (LP: #199048).
[01:28] <CIA-24> partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r670 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/disk-label.sh lib/resize.sh):
[01:28] <CIA-24> partman-partitioning: * Backport from trunk:
[01:28] <CIA-24> partman-partitioning:  - Only disable swap on devices that are being changed (LP: #199048).
[01:28] <CIA-24> partman-partitioning:  Requires partman-base (>= 114ubuntu4).
[09:05] <gan_> when i install the ubiquity in my system , the error follows WARNING: Undefined kernel key code for 214
[09:38] <gan_> cjwatson, i am getting when i install from live cd to my harddisk
[09:40] <cjwatson> that is not a fatal error
[09:40] <cjwatson> you can just ignore that
[10:00] <gan_> cjwatson, i ignored then also the error is coming
[10:00] <cjwatson> I can't understand that sentence, I'm afraid
[10:00] <gan_> cjwatson, i am not able to fix the root partitioon
[10:00] <cjwatson> we need a bug report with full logs
[10:01] <gan_> cjwatson, it is giving the error like ????
[10:01] <cjwatson> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUbiquity/AttachingLogs; we need /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman
[10:02] <gan_> cjwatson, ok i will send
[10:02] <cjwatson> (if you've already installed the system and rebooted, those files will be /var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/installer/partman instead)
[10:03] <gan_> cjwatson, see the link http://pastebin.com/m7bcb2875 syslog file
[10:04] <cjwatson> please file a bug report
[10:04] <cjwatson> I can't look at it right now
[10:04] <cjwatson> that looks just hosed though. Check your CD integrity and that your CD drive is clean
[10:04] <cjwatson> "#
[10:04] <cjwatson> Mar 20 15:06:03 boss ubiquity: /lib/partman/definitions.sh: line 355: /var/lib/partman/outfifo: No such file or directory"
[10:04] <cjwatson> err, not that one
[10:04] <cjwatson> "Mar 20 15:06:10 boss ubiquity: /lib/partman/definitions.sh: line 155: /lib/partman/choose_partition/ : No such file or directory"
[10:05] <cjwatson> don't see how that could happen with a correct CD
[10:06] <gan_> ok , then what to do
[10:06] <cjwatson> also, you appear to be using some derived distribution, not Ubuntu proper
[10:06] <cjwatson> please ask them for help
[10:06] <cjwatson> I don't know what strange things they might have done to their live CD
[10:07] <gan_> cjwatson, actually this ubuntu cd , but i customised
[10:08] <gan_> cjwatson, actually this is ubuntu cd , but i customised with doc how to create a live cd
[10:08] <cjwatson> it would have been polite to say that up-front ;-)
[10:09] <cjwatson> I don't really see how you could get the error above from a line of code that reads (in the standard version) "$dir/${RET%__________*}/do_option ${RET#*__________} "$@" || return $?"
[10:09] <cjwatson> unless $RET contains a space, which it shouldn't there
[10:09] <cjwatson> you'll need to run the installer with 'ubiquity --debug' to get useful debugging on why it's gone mad
[10:10] <gan_> cjwatson, shall i run & send you the output
[10:11] <cjwatson> sure, I guess
[10:11] <cjwatson> if you have any installer customisations, now is the time to reveal them
[10:15] <gan_> cjwatson, yeah i ran but i didnt get any error msg on the console , but still i am not able to fix the root file system
[10:16] <cjwatson> the debug output will be in /var/log/installer/debug
[10:16] <cjwatson> I'm going to be on the phone for the next hour or so
[10:21] <CIA-24> casper: cjwatson * r483 casper/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
[10:21] <CIA-24> casper: * Stop quoting Exec arguments in .desktop files. Apparently this used to
[10:21] <CIA-24> casper:  work but now the system conforms more strictly to the desktop entry
[10:21] <CIA-24> casper:  specification (LP: #204185).
[10:23] <cjwatson> gan_: please don't attempt to DCC send it to me
[10:23] <cjwatson> it won't work, and your DCC request appears to be broken anyway according to my client
[10:24] <gan_> cjwatson, now the patebin is also not working what to do, how to send
[10:24] <cjwatson> I'm pretty sure that "<IP_ADDRESS> port 0" is not a valid source
[10:24] <cjwatson> paste.ubuntu.com
[10:24] <gan_> k
[10:28] <gan_> cjwatson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5919/ see this debug link
[10:38] <gan_> cjwatson, are you there
[11:58] <cjwatson> I told you I was going to be on the phone
[11:58] <cjwatson> and I was :-)
[12:03] <gan_> ok
[12:03] <gan_> cjwatson, no problem
[12:06] <cjwatson> gan_: ok, so partman threw an exception somewhere, after which ubiquity got very confused. Could you put /var/log/partman on paste.ubuntu.com as well? It should indicate why
[12:06] <cjwatson> seems to be while you were creating a new partition
[12:06] <gan_> ok just a min
[12:07] <cjwatson> now, it's also a bug that ubiquity got confused ...
[12:13] <gan_> cjwatson, see this link http://paste.ubuntu.com/5923/ /var/log/partman
[12:21] <cjwatson> looking
[12:22] <gan_> ok
[12:28] <cjwatson> ok, the reason you're encountering this is that you're using bash as your default /bin/sh
[12:29] <cjwatson> Ubuntu's default is dash, and it appears that dash and bash behave slightly differently on particular shell code in the middle of the installer
[12:29] <cjwatson> I produced a test case to confirm this
[12:31] <gan_> so what i have to do
[12:31] <cjwatson> this appears to be a customisation you've applied yourself
[12:31] <gan_> can i change my bash to dash
[12:31] <cjwatson> so you ought to be able to undo it
[12:31] <gan_> cjwatson, yeah
[12:32] <cjwatson> technically, I think it is a bug in partman-partitioning
[12:32] <gan_> cjwatson, then whats the solution for this
[12:33] <cjwatson> changing the default shell to dash is the safest approach; I can't guarantee that there aren't other areas of the partitioner that depend on the same difference
[12:33] <gan_> how to do it
[12:33] <cjwatson> you must have done it in the first place
[12:34] <cjwatson> assuming you started from an Ubuntu 6.10 live CD or later
[12:34] <cjwatson> you could also apply a patch something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/5925/ to /lib/partman/free_space/50new/do_option
[12:35] <cjwatson> (might not apply directly with the patch command, but it's just a matter of switching the order of two lines
[12:35] <cjwatson> )
[12:36] <gan_> which two lines
[12:36] <cjwatson> read the patch
[12:37] <gan_> it means you are asking me to do manually.
[12:38] <gan_> cjwatson, better i change my bash to dash
[12:38] <cjwatson> sure, that should work
[12:38] <cjwatson> I assumed you had changed it for a reason
[12:38] <cjwatson> what was that reason?
[12:39] <cjwatson> I'll fix the code so that this shouldn't happen in 8.04, at least in that particular case
[12:39] <gan_> cjwatson, why cant you do it for bash
[12:40] <gan_> cjwatson, i always work with bash that is the reason
[12:40] <cjwatson> the patch I gave you should fix it
[12:40] <cjwatson> for bash
[12:41] <cjwatson> if you write shell scripts that make use of special bash facilities, you should put '#! /bin/bash' at the top of them, not '#! /bin/sh'. That way, it doesn't matter what the system default shell is.
[12:41] <cjwatson> Interactive shells are bash anyway, regardless of what /bin/sh points to.
[12:42] <cjwatson> the reason for the difference here is that if you say 'local VARIABLE' in dash (for some value of VARIABLE) and VARIABLE already has a value, then dash uses that as the initial value of the local variable; while bash always initialises VARIABLE to the empty string
[12:43] <gan_> cjwatson, i have to paste this patch under /var/log/partman am i correct
[12:43] <cjwatson> local isn't standardised, so differences are to be expected
[12:43] <cjwatson> uh, no, that's completely wrong
[12:43] <cjwatson> you need to edit the file /lib/partman/free_space/50new/do_option, as I told you
[12:43] <gan_> kk
[12:43] <cjwatson> read the patch - lines beginning with "-" are to be removed, lines beginning with "+" are to be added
[12:44] <gan_> k
[12:45] <gan_> i like to be in bash only, i am getting confuse with dash
[12:47] <gan_> cjwatson, ok thanks i do the thing & i will reply you surely , now i have to go out
[12:47] <cjwatson> but you're confusing the system
[12:48] <cjwatson> you can perfectly well use bash for your own scripts, just by putting /bin/bash at the top
[12:48] <gan_> cjwatson, yeah
[12:48] <cjwatson> the system default doesn't change that at all
[12:48] <gan_> k
[12:48] <cjwatson> this was a fun little installer bug, though, so thanks for reporting it!
[12:48] <gan_> how the dash starts
[12:50] <gan_> ok thanks for your patience
[12:50] <cjwatson> "how the dash starts" -> I don't understand the question
[12:51] <gan_> bash starts /bin/sh like that for dash
[12:52] <cjwatson> I still don't understand. Are you talking about the first line of scripts?
[12:52] <gan_> yeah
[12:53] <cjwatson> If you use bash-specific features, say /bin/bash. If you use dash-specific features (this is very rare - this installer bug is one of the very few cases I've encountered), say /bin/dash. If your script is written to the POSIX shell standard and will work with either, say /bin/sh.
[12:54] <gan_> ok
[15:43] <CIA-24> ubiquity: evand * r2578 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): * Remove dead code for the old resize widget.
[15:44] <CIA-24> ubiquity: evand * r2579 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/noninteractive.py): * Fix printing of non-latin text in the noninteractive frontend.
[17:22] <bdmurray> evand: you asked about bug 204133.  do you want to work on debugging it?
[17:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133
[17:27] <evand> bdmurray: do you still have the image?
[17:27] <bdmurray> evand: yes, I do
[17:29] <evand> can you try running a chkdsk C: /f /r ?
[17:29] <evand> on the host Windows install
[17:29] <evand> then try booting Ubuntu again and see if that fixes it
[17:30] <bdmurray> Do you just use chkdsk in a command prompt or does it require booting into something special?
[17:31] <evand> just in a command prompt
[17:31] <evand> it will say that it cannot run chkdsk at this time because the disk is mounted
[17:31] <evand> and ask you if you want to do it on next boot
[17:31] <evand> say yes, then reboot Windows
[17:31] <bdmurray> okay, I'm on it
[17:31] <evand> thanks, much appreciated
[17:35] <bdmurray> evand: my windows vista foo is really bad.  How do I get in an "elevated mode"?
[17:37] <evand> right click on the application and select run as administrator
[17:38] <evand> you can drag a shortcut on the desktop and right click on that if you don't want to dig for the actual program location
[17:38] <evand> UAC is a mess.
[17:39] <bdmurray> makes me love Ubuntu even more. ;)
[17:40] <evand> hahaha, indeed
[18:02] <bdmurray> evand: still seeing the same "Buffer I/O error on device loop0"
[18:04] <evand> argh, hrm.
[18:05] <evand> I don't suppose you have a serial port and cable from which you can get a full log of whats happeneing?
[18:06] <bdmurray> my laptop has no serial port but I have a usb to serial adapter if that is any help
[18:07] <mario_limonciell> bdmurray, you have a null modem cable to go with that?
[18:07] <mario_limonciell> you should be able to dump to it then
[18:08] <bdmurray> mario_limonciell: somewhere I'm sure
[18:08] <mario_limonciell> on your kernel command line, you can add it as a console output, or you can just redirect the app causing that
[18:08] <evand> if you find it and could set that up and attach a full log to the bug whenever you have some free time, I'd appreciate it
[18:10] <bdmurray> evand: how much of a priority do you think it is?
[18:11] <evand> bdmurray: not too high, I believe.  I haven't seen this bug anywhere else yet.
[18:11] <bdmurray> I'm so special
[18:11] <evand> I asked Agostino if he has, but he's away for the weekend
[18:11] <evand> haha
[18:12] <mario_limonciell> how widespread has testing been going on wubi aside from evand bdmurray and TheMuso?
[18:12] <evand> the Wubi forum on ubuntuforums.org
[18:12] <mario_limonciell> so a fairly sizable number of folks then?
[18:12] <evand> I've seen a handful of people there test it, but those are only the ones who replied
[18:13] <mario_limonciell> ah
[18:17] <bdmurray> okay, I think I've found the cable is there some documentation you point me at for doing this?
[18:18] <mario_limonciell> well so where are those errors coming from, kernel log?
[18:18] <mario_limonciell> syslog or similar?
[18:19] <mario_limonciell> if that's the case, something like this is what you want: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/configure-kernel.html
[18:19] <bdmurray> kernel, I can boot into single user mode but see those messages
[18:20] <mario_limonciell> depending on how early they pop up you should be able to use that as listed above.  if they are really early (like before usb is loaded ;)), you'll miss them
[18:21] <bdmurray> okay, and what is the best app on the non-broken system to use to catch the messages?
[18:22] <mario_limonciell> i use cutecom/minicom
[18:22] <mario_limonciell> cutecom is for X
[18:22] <mario_limonciell> minicom for a terminal
[18:22] <mario_limonciell> cutecom is a lot easier to configure imo
[18:22] <bdmurray> I've used minicom before just wanted to be sure
[18:23] <bdmurray> thanks!
[18:23] <mario_limonciell> np, best of luck :)
[19:11] <xivulon> evand ping
[19:11] <evand> xivulon: pong
[19:12] <xivulon> so this loop0 thing, I haven't seen that
[19:12] <xivulon> there was something similar when vfat was used
[19:12] <xivulon> since the fs was ro to begin with
[19:13] <xivulon> not sure if that's the case
[19:14] <evand> bdmurray is using Vista, so it's definitely not vfat, but he's working on getting a full log using a serial port.
[19:15] <mario_limonciell> or at least trying to :)
[19:15] <xivulon> is that reproducible?
[19:16] <xivulon> I see bdmurray is here too, hi
[19:17] <bdmurray> getting the full log is proving challenging
[19:17] <xivulon> might it be that 204133 is related to 20080320?
[19:17] <bdmurray> That was a typo on my part it really was 20080319 - I'll update the bug
[19:17] <bdmurray> I did get some pictures of call traces
[19:17] <xivulon> 204128 <-> 204133 that is
[19:18] <xivulon> bdmurray, did you try reinstalling?
[19:18] <bdmurray> No, I was thinking about that next
[19:19] <bdmurray> Do I need to remove the existing install first?
[19:20] <evand> it will force you to, though I'd suggest moving it out of the way in case reinstalling makes the bug disappear.
[19:20] <xivulon> You could move root.disk to a different dir
[19:20] <xivulon> so we could get that back in case the new one works well
[19:21] <mario_limonciell> evand, did you get a chance  to look over that other noninteractive thing I ran into yesterday?
[19:22] <bdmurray> xivulon: where will I find root.disk?
[19:23] <bdmurray> found it
[19:24] <evand> mario_limonciell: I've been looking at it as I work on other things today.  I fixed the immediate problem, but uncovered others when I did, so I'm working on those now.
[19:26] <mario_limonciell> ah i see
[19:30] <xivulon_> back, battery power meter wasn't too reliable...
[19:31] <evand> heh
[19:32] <xivulon_> so bdmurray, if you backup your previous file, I'd suggest to try a reinstallation
[19:32] <xivulon_> at the first reboot, press esc, and select verbose mode, that runs ubiquity with debug flag
[19:34] <xivulon_> evand the other bug you mentioned was about reconnection, was that running off a physical CD
[19:35] <evand> xivulon_: the bug where Wubi cannot install without being connected to the Internet?
[19:36] <xivulon_> I there is a log..
[19:36]  * xivulon_ reading log
[19:36] <evand> Yes, that was running off of the Beta candidate.
[19:38] <xivulon_> apparently the issue is that the md5 check of squashfs failed
[19:38] <xivulon_> md5=b5b8b1f15d1f45797c1f57ba8d0f30d6
[19:38] <evand> indeed, I caught that while pasting the log
[19:38] <xivulon_> if that failed then it is normal that a connection is required
[19:38] <evand> though I believe this was with two different images
[19:38] <evand> I'll verify the CD image and try again though
[19:39] <xivulon_> that should be the md5 of squashfs file only
[19:40] <xivulon_> when using a physical CD and without internet connection the md5 for the individual file is used
[19:41] <xivulon_> taken from md5sum.txt
[19:46]  * xivulon at dinner
[20:05] <evand> xivulon: I checked the md5sum of the squashfs in Ubuntu and it matches the line in md5sum.txt
[20:07] <bdmurray> xivulon: I've updated bug 204128
[20:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204128 in wubi "After install completed bar wasn't all green" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204128
[20:09] <evand> heh, at least we know the CD-ROM drive is ejecting for sure now.
[20:09] <bdmurray> evand: my "Ubuntu Setup" window in not responding in Vista.  any ideas?
[20:10] <evand> hrm
[20:11] <evand> attach %TEMP%\Wubi-8.04-alpha-rev449.log to that bug report?
[20:11] <evand> s/?/.
[20:12] <evand> xivulon: have you had reports of successful Vista installs?
[20:18] <evand> outside of VMWare that is, as I tested that successfully.
[20:19] <bdmurray> hmph, I had some information about it not responding and then the window disappeared on me
[20:19] <evand> hrm, though that reminds me that TheMuso had issues with Vista as well, though they disappeared.
[20:19] <evand> odd
[20:23] <bdmurray> I just saw "checking the installation" go past 100% for whatever that is worth
[20:26] <evand> yeah :/, that's my fault
[20:27] <evand> I still need to fix it, it's a long standing bug when using --automatic
[20:28] <bdmurray> okay, at least its known ;)
[20:28] <evand> heh, indeed
[20:29] <bdmurray> I added some pictures to bug 204133 from the first disk image
[20:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204133 in wubi "wubi install unusable - Buffer I/O error on device loop0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204133
[20:36] <evand> iz kernel bug :)
[20:37] <evand> doesn't appear to be the same issue I ran into with VMWare and 64-bit, but we had already assumed that.
[20:37] <evand> hrm, still no luck with the serial console?
[20:41] <bdmurray> not yet
[20:41] <bdmurray> I'm at the same place after a reinstall too
[22:06] <bootlaces> Hey All...has luks/cryptsetup made it's way into ubiquity for HH? Can't see it mentioned in launchpad or ubiquity..
[22:06] <xivulon> evand, just run a successful installation on vista
[22:07] <xivulon> using wubi 449 and ISO 20080318.1
[22:07] <xivulon> amd64
[22:08] <xivulon> bdmurray, re progressbar, I can confirm it finishes when the bar is not 100%, but that does not have any implication
[22:08] <bdmurray> xivulon: I've put up some pictures of the crash at http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/tmp/
[22:08] <xivulon> the bar progress is calculated by nsis, their algorithm is likely wrong
[22:09] <bdmurray> the ones starting off 20080320-*
[22:10] <xivulon> bdmurray, did  you experienced crashes only with today's ISO?
[22:10] <xivulon> It would take me ages to download that...
[22:10] <bdmurray> I was using 20080319 and that is the only one I've tried wubi on
[22:15] <xivulon> you used amd64 correct?
[22:17] <xivulon> well I started downloading the 19 ISO.
[22:25] <cjwatson> evand: possible hint for you in bug 197887
[22:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197887 in ubiquity "Accessibility non-functional in only-ubiquity mode." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197887
[22:26] <xivulon> bdmurray, I suspect that the nsis algorithm estimates the progress by counting the number of "calls" within the installation function at compile time, but it does not take into account parts of code that are not executed at runtime because of logical conditions.
[22:27] <xivulon> will test that assumption in coming days, I do not think it is very important unless the actual installation is affected
[22:28] <xivulon> which does not seem to be the case
[22:28] <Daviey> mario_limonciell: amd64 alt seems fine
[22:28] <bdmurray> xivulon: yes, I used amd64
[22:31] <evand> ah, thanks cjwatson
[22:31] <evand> xivulon: ack'ed
[22:31] <evand> I'll toy with that tonight
[22:33] <mario_limonciell> Daviey, let slangasek know
[22:33] <mario_limonciell> oh you did
[22:33] <mario_limonciell> okay good :)
[22:34] <xivulon> bdmurray did you try booting with init=/bin/sh
[22:36] <bdmurray> xivulon: no, I did not
[22:36] <xivulon> might be worth a go
[22:37] <xivulon> you could then try the rcS scripts manually
[22:37] <xivulon> first maybe check that the fs is r/w
[22:47] <evand> bootlaces: No, it was a low priority specification for Hardy that was deferred.
[22:47] <bootlaces> evand, thanks for the update
[22:47] <bootlaces> looks like I'll be using the alternative installer :)
[22:48] <xivulon> evand, I'd need to reboot to test the reconnecting issue, but I'd have to interrupt the download then, that would be a post beta fix anyway correct?
[22:49] <evand> yes, the beta is going to be released today, only a very serious issue would postpone it.
[22:49] <evand> Well, today EST.
[22:52] <xivulon> I'd thought so
[22:54] <xivulon> I can push a new rev with an extra debugging line, if you send me the log that should be enough for me
[22:56] <evand> ok
[22:56] <evand> dinner, back in a bit
[22:57] <xivulon> rev 456
[23:58] <xivulon> evand, I can confirm #203998
[23:58] <xivulon> no need to send me the log
[23:58] <xivulon> I will fix that in the coming days, you might want to add a caveat
[23:59] <xivulon> I'll do that...


[04:25] <pankaj> anybody there!
[04:29] <pankaj> help
[04:31] <pankaj> this channel is dead
[04:58] <Alin`> hai
[08:21] <kevin999> anyone there who can help with a bind9 issue I have ????
[08:23] <kevin999> it's very quiet on here - can anyone suggest a better forum?
[08:51] <blanq> hey guys, im having trouble installing ubuntu 12.10, booted from cd, create partitions, when it begins to detect hardware the install crashes, BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dreference @<PHONE_NUMBER>0a0
[11:16] <isiah> hi all
[12:44] <noob222> Hi folks ... I have a question concerning a Live USB (with persistence) boot problem. Any takers?
[12:52] <holstein> noob222: sure.. just ask
[12:52] <holstein> i personally just dont.. i just install a normal install to a USB.. its persistent, and its a full install, with a normal user..
[12:58] <noob222> @ holstein .... I have a been booting off of the stick for a while (12.04) and it hung. So, I used REISUB to reboot. When it rebooted I got the BusyBox (initramfs) prompt. I am not sure what my next step should be. I have saved a number of files on the drive. So, I would like recover the stick if at all possible.
[12:58] <noob222> thanks!
[12:58] <holstein> backup the data, and make a new stick
[12:58] <holstein> you should have the data backed up anyway, so go ahead and do that.... plan on the stick being broken


[23:05] <gsilvapt> hello. I'm an Ubuntu Member but never asked for a cloak. Can someone briefly explain what that is and what it does?
[23:05] <gsilvapt> I might need one now
[23:09] <Unit193> You don't *need* one, it just shows that you are attached to the Ubuntu project.
[23:09] <genii> gsilvapt: It just  shows your affiliation with Ubuntu
[23:10] <gsilvapt> Right, I was confusing with another concept. If that's the case, then I'd like to request one. What do you need aside the launchpad url? https://launchpad.net/~gsilvapt
[23:11]  * dax looks existing-ful
[23:11] <Unit193> Looks right, dax.
[23:11] <dax> a magic happen
[23:11] <Unit193> Thank you, dax.
[23:29] <Unit193> gsilvapt: BTW, in case you didn't realize, you are cloaked.  I'm hoping/presuming you have something like SASL set up.
[23:59] <gsilva> hello. Can someone give me the irc cloak access? I had to reconnect and now I can't get in


[00:18]  * wharp is back (gone 00:47:28)
[19:17] <methods[laptop]> how do i install by category ?
[19:17] <Burgundavia> methods[laptop]: sorry?
[19:17] <methods[laptop]> i remember there was a way to install a whole category
[19:17] <methods[laptop]> like desktop
[19:17] <methods[laptop]> or games
[19:21] <Burgundavia> aptitude might be able to do that, but this really isn't a support channel


[01:39] <len-dt> Anyone know about usb interrupts? I show 5 interrupts for usb1 to usb5. I have 6 usb ports(plugs)... all of which seem to use usb1. usb1 is ehci (usb 2.0) and usb 2 to usb 5 are uhci (usb1.1 I think)
[01:43] <len-dt> The MB manual does not show any other usb pins. Odd... anyway, USB seems to be my high priority interrupt.
[01:45] <len-dt> eth0 was sharing the same interrupt, but I moved it to be lower than my audio cards and have my ice1712 higher than the ensoniq.
[01:49] <len-dt> So far it seems stable. I'm running Audacious through PA->jack at -p 64, downloading software and can run some midi stuff at the same time with no xruns.
[02:36] <len-dt> astraljava, todays respin seems to work well live/installed on both my desktop and my netbook and I have marked the i386 as passed in both live and install.
[03:38] <astraljava> len-dt: Excellent news, thank you for your efforts! :)
[03:41] <len-dt> astraljava, whens the next respin?
[03:41] <astraljava> I don't know, hopefully there is none. :)
[03:42] <astraljava> I'll sniff the air on -release and let you know if something's happening.
[03:42] <len-dt> astraljava, lots activity in #ubuntu-release...
[03:42] <astraljava> Heheh, yeah I do fear so...
[03:43] <astraljava> Well anything during the last 12 hours doesn't seem to touch us, so thus far I doubt there's going to be a new one on Sunday. But there's still plenty of time left for that. :)
[03:45] <len-nb> release day/hour=?
[03:51] <astraljava> 26th.
[03:51] <astraljava> Why oh why oh why can't people read anymore?
[03:52] <astraljava> No offense to whoever that dude is, but I explained all that in the original email.
[03:52] <astraljava> Apparently it was a case of TL;DR.
[03:52] <astraljava> grr
[03:55] <len-dt> astraljava, hey, if he has an amd64, maybe it will get done and then he will know for next time.
[03:56] <astraljava> Yeah. :)
[03:57] <astraljava> I'd have to start studying how one creates installer packages for Macs. But I think I'll try and get a few more hours of sleep, first.
[04:04] <astraljava> Bah, Mail.app doesn't seem to play very nicely together with Gmail.
[06:49] <ailo> len-dt: usb should be no problem as long as you don't use it
[06:50] <ailo> I haven
[06:50] <ailo> 't tried messing with mine, but I have share ir's with usb ports and they aren't affecting performance for me anywyay
[06:51] <ailo> wifi and graphic card are commone to cause problems
[06:51] <ailo> With the initirq script, shared irq is supposed to be less of a problem, but I'm not so sure
[06:52] <ailo> I don't know if we have got any confirmation on this, when it comes to -lowlatency
[06:53] <ailo> As I've said before, I don't think you can trim general performance by tuning either the desktop or the kernel
[06:53] <ailo> If you get problems, they are most probably hardware related
[06:54] <ailo> By tuning the kernel, I mean by switching things off. Of course, the low latency stuff is what matters
[07:24] <ailo> len-dt: If you like, try disabling the initirq scriptto see how that affects your performance. It's a dependency to -lowlatency, so what I did was I just moved /etc/init.d/rtirq
[07:29] <ailo> len-dt: Also, use "ps -eo rtprio,pri,ni,comm" to see the difference in rtprio for your processes
[07:29] <ailo> You'll need to reboot in between, of course
[14:32] <len-dt> ailo, sorry I had gone to bed (not beauty sleep, just non-ugly sleep)
[14:33] <len-dt> I found that my pci slots starting right after the video slot go from low to high.
[14:36] <len-dt> The last one is int 23, but is shared with all the usb2.0 ports. I had the nic in there for that reason, but I found out that hardware wise it has priority... so net traffic affected my sound.
[14:38] <len-dt> I have moved the nic to beside the video card... it gets int17 now.
[14:42] <len-dt> The end slot where it was is empty to avoid int sharing with a sound card and the one next to that (int 22?) still had the knockout so I left it empty too for now. Next is the ice1712 with int 21. It seems to be rock solid now... -p32 is possible with the odd xrun, but -p64 only gets xruns when PA's jacksink closes a port... not jack's fault and not a good low latency use anyway.
[14:50] <len-dt> next the ice1712 is the ens1370 with int20. It gets used for midi io only and the audio part just causes trouble.
[14:50]  * len-dt wishes he could turn that part off and just get midi.
[14:53] <len-dt> I have to make sure I turn it off in PA after a new install or it can cause xruns... maybe not so much now that the int is lower priority.
[14:57] <len-dt> I have found that turning off pulse->jack bridging brings cpu usage down a lot in -p128 and lower. Try:
[14:57] <len-dt> pactl unload-module `pactl list short |grep jackdbus |sed s/module-jackdbus-detect//`
[14:58] <len-dt> To test this. and pulseaudio --kill to restart.
[15:02] <len-dt> At -p1024 the effect doesn't show, but lower, PA's CPU goes up about twice as fast as jacks.
[15:11] <len-dt> I have turned off the par and ser ports in bios and found out I have ir and firewire (also turned of) as well.
[15:16] <len-dt> ailo, ps -eo rtprio,pri,ni,comm, gives this:
[15:16] <len-dt>    85 125   - irq/20-snd_ens1
[15:16] <len-dt>      -  19   0 dnsmasq
[15:16] <len-dt>     85 125   - irq/21-snd_ice1
[15:17] <len-dt> should I be running the ens at 80?
[15:18] <len-dt> also I have:
[15:18] <len-dt>     80 120   - irq/23-ehci_hcd
[15:18] <len-dt>     80 120   - irq/16-uhci_hcd
[15:18] <len-dt>     78 118   - irq/19-uhci_hcd
[15:18] <len-dt>     79 119   - irq/18-uhci_hcd
[15:18] <len-dt>     79 119   - irq/16-uhci_hcd
[15:18] <len-dt> But with no usb devices that should not be a problem.
[15:50] <len-dt> I will try testing with that stuff turned off to see what difference it makes
[16:28] <len-dt> ScottL meeting today?
[16:29] <ScottL> len-dt, we were supposed to
[16:29] <ScottL> we still can
[16:29] <ScottL> i'm doing a few errands around the house but i'll poke in quite often and see if we reach a quorum for a meeting
[16:36] <len-nb> ScottL, I have to go in the next few minutes.
[16:42] <astraljava> So you guys come up with a schedule. I'll probably go to sleep within the next couple of hours, so if it happens during that time, I can participate.
[16:43] <astraljava> But we seriously have to commit to meetings better the next cycle,
[16:43] <astraljava> It's been rather ridiculous for the current one.
[16:43] <len-nb> astraljava, ja, no kidding
[16:44] <len-nb> I get the idea people are not yet ready to talk about next cycle, being worn out from this one.
[16:45] <astraljava> len-nb: Yeah, and it's why I'm not trying to squeeze anyone for best times for it, yet.
[16:45] <astraljava> Let us all cool down for a moment. :)
[16:46] <len-nb> astraljava, I think so, also maybe the time change may confuse people.
[16:47] <len-nb> I have gone from -9 to -8
[16:47] <astraljava> Yeah. But then it also seems this current schedule isn't the most optimal.
[16:49] <len-nb> Anyway, I have to go.
[18:29]  * astraljava laughs at the mail on -users
[18:29] <astraljava> Is someone actually working on the Preparation page?
[18:30] <astraljava> We should remove the "under construction" statement if not.
[18:35] <ScottL> astraljava, i believe ttoine was doing it
[18:37] <astraljava> Ok.


[17:48] <ikonia> fossvbn: just boot into single user mode
[17:48] <artag> I get 'warning,  /etc/resolv.conf is not a symbolic link to run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[17:48] <alkisg> artag: and then you can ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[17:49] <artag> which is true, I put a resolv.conf in manually to get it working
[17:49] <artag> yeah, I can bring networking up manually with ifconfig and route
[17:49] <ioria> artag,  ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[17:49] <alkisg> What do you have in /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:50] <artag> but it doesn't happen on its own and restarting network-manager kills the manually-started bnetwork
[17:50] <artag> in /etc/network/interfaces I only have local
[17:50] <artag> (isn't network manager supposed to find the others and popu;ate it ?)
[17:51] <fossvbn> thanks alkisg: OerHeks: dreamer: ikonia:
[17:51] <ioria> artag,  ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
[17:51] <artag> ioria: it shows a simple file - it's the one I put there (because it was empty)
[17:51] <alkisg> artag: yes, and `nmcli d` shows you the managed devices
[17:51] <ioria> artag,  it should show a link
[17:52] <alkisg> Is you nic shown there?
[17:52] <artag> nmcli is not installed
[17:52] <ioria> artag,  like this   /etc/resolv.conf -> ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf
[17:52] <wellick> hi, I connected my laptop to my TV via HDMI. Now the sound is not working. What's weird is if I go to "sounds settings" and test the sound it does work. But if I play sound on firefox or chrome it does not. Thoughts?
[17:52] <fossvbn> thanks /notice alkisg OerHeks dreamer ikonia
[17:52] <artag> ioria: yes, I gather that from the dhcp error above.
[17:53] <alkisg> artag: nmcli is part of the network-manager package
[17:53] <artag> I will try that, thanks, and also install nmcli
[17:53] <alkisg> If it's not installed, you have serious issues
[17:53] <artag> yeah, I probably removed it in 14.04 because it was so unreliable.
[17:53] <SimonNL> http://imgur.com/a/piMUS    visiona hardware switch for wifi is fn(key2) + the key with the aeroplane on it.
[17:53] <alkisg> If you removed network-manager, how would it work?!
[17:53] <ikonia> thats the worst excuse ever
[17:53] <ikonia> network manager is not unreliable
[17:53] <artag> I had to use something else, I've forgotten what
[17:54] <ikonia> and hasn't been for a long time if you don't fight it, eg: don't put things in the interfaces that conflict
[17:54] <Azulflame> isn't network-manager just an applet, and actually handled by another piece of code?
[17:54] <artag> really, it was. used to coredump on every other boot
[17:54] <Azulflame> or am I confusing arch and Ubuntu?
[17:54] <ikonia> Azulflame: no, there is an aplet for it
[17:54] <ikonia> Azulflame: nah
[17:54] <ikonia> Azulflame: it's a network manager application with an applet to let the desktop interact with it
[17:54] <Azulflame> I know I have to manually start nm-applet in .bashrc because it doesn't work properly unless I do
[17:55] <ikonia> Azulflame: it works just fine
[17:55] <Azulflame> but is network-manager actually what handles all the networking connections
[17:55] <artag> yeah, I was hoping 16.04 would behave better but probably needs my patches undoing first.
[17:55] <SimonNL> visiona: pressing that key combination switches wifi on and off    type    rfkill list all     to check if hardware block shows on/off
[17:55] <alkisg> (08:50:48 μμ) artag: (isn't network manager supposed to find the others and popu;ate it ?) | (08:53:22 μμ) artag: yeah, I probably removed it in 14.04 because it was so unreliable. ==> I can't imagine how you would expect network-manager to manage the interfaces after removing network-manager :D
[17:55] <visiona> SimonNL: Thanks, I know, but Fn key is not recognized by Ubuntu when I press it; I tried with ctrl, alt, windows button and nothing
[17:55] <artag> well, I didn't. I didn't want it to, since it merelky crashed :) But since I'm updating the OS I was going to give it another chance !
[17:56] <ikonia> yet you didn't re-install it
[17:56] <SimonNL> visiona: try the key combi and type rfkill list all
[17:56] <ikonia> seems odd to give it another chance without re-installing it
[17:57] <artag> ikonia: indeed, because I'd forgotten what I'd uninstalled. I did try installing 'network-manager' but it said it already had the latest version
[17:57] <ikonia> this seems very odd
[17:57] <dean> Hey anyone else got the rtl8723be chipset. I've installed the new realtek drivers in the past and had no problem. Had to reinstall ubuntu today. It's crashing the kernel
[17:57] <ikonia> and sounds very much like you've broken your own machine tinkering
[17:57] <alkisg> artag: so currently dpkg -l network-manager says installed, or not?
[17:58] <visiona> SimonNL: I am pressing Fn + F12 and no effect as Fn is not recognized and doesn't cause any effect as shown in keyboard map
[17:59] <SimonNL> visiona: your holding down fn then pressing key with aeroplane on it?
[17:59] <artag> alkisg: it currently says uninstalled. But that's because I just uninstalled it with a purge in the hope that I could get it to do a clean setup. Unfortunately I was doing that whilst asking here so some of the information above is probably inconsistent
[18:00] <alkisg> artag: and you probably removed all the other packages that depend on it. Eh, ok, try to reinstall them.
[18:01] <SimonNL> visiona: check if there is any settings in bios to enable/disable the wifi switch
[18:01] <visiona> SimonNL: yes I do. There is Keyboard Layout Chart (not character map as I said) that doesn't show me anything when I press Fn, as this key is not recognized.
[18:01] <visiona> it shows any other key even F12 , when I press, but not Fn
[18:02] <SimonNL> visiona: i get it.
[18:02] <visiona> I checked already, there is none
[18:02] <SimonNL> visiona: you'll have to solve that first to solve the wifi issue
[18:03] <visiona> I installed ubuntu with acpi off, I am not sure if that affected these issues
[18:03] <alkisg> visiona: have you tried rfkill?
[18:03] <SimonNL> visiona: I have no idea you'll have to ask someone with more knowledge
[18:04] <visiona> no worries, thanks SimonNL
[18:04] <visiona> alkisg: I did: http://termbin.com/8y96
[18:04] <alkisg> visiona: I mean, to unblock it with rfkill unblock
[18:05] <alkisg> Not just to list
[18:05] <SimonNL> visiona: windows still on the machine?
[18:06] <visiona> Simon_NL: There is no other OS
[18:06] <artag> alkisg: reinstalled, linked resolv.conf, restarted. Still no wlan or eth in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:06] <alkisg> artag: you're not supposed to have them there
[18:06] <OneM_Industries> So, for some reason, all of the files on one of my hard drives are suddenly owned by root. How do I fix this?
[18:06] <visiona> alkisg: I tried sudo rfkill unblock all but no effect
[18:06] <artag> or interfaces.d
[18:06] <alkisg> artag: now does `nmcli d` show your devices?
[18:06] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: change it back to what it should be
[18:07] <SimonNL> visiona: to bad seen people recommend going in to windows and disable.enable it in there and then boot linux
[18:07] <OneM_Industries> Right, how?
[18:07] <alkisg> visiona: ok, then yeah you'll need to find the hardware key that enables it. Sometimes windows can enable it too.
[18:07] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: use the file manager or the chown command
[18:07] <artag> alkisg: it lists them both, but disconnected
[18:07] <OneM_Industries> Ok..
[18:07] <alkisg> artag: ok, use the network manager applet to create connections and connect them
[18:07] <SimonNL> alkisg: his Fn key is not recognized in ubuntu
[18:07] <alkisg> OneM_Industries: shouldn't you first try to find why it happened?
[18:08] <alkisg> SimonNL: yes, it's a hardware key, it's not recognized by any software
[18:08] <visiona> I found something with installing xbindkeys and keytouch  - I am trying to understand howto use them
[18:08] <alkisg> *modifier
[18:08] <OneM_Industries> I have no clue. This is on a box that has random, inexplicable issues.
[18:08] <visiona> is there a command in CL to have the same effect as Fn + F12?
[18:08] <SimonNL> http://imgur.com/a/piMUS  alkisg manual shows this. Fn + aeroplane
[18:09] <artag> alkisg: it tries for a while (spinning dandelion thing) with 'getting ip configuration', then goes back to disconnected.
[18:09] <artag> I only tried eth0
[18:10] <artag> the router shows no lease
[18:11] <artag> wait, it does, but the machine hasn't picked it up
[18:12] <artag> the router is showing a lease for the wifi MAC but not for the ethernet
[18:14] <hhee> guys, which console based mp3 player (better if there is ncurses interface) do you recommended?
[18:14] <hhee> in ubuntu 16 lts MOC - dont start
[18:14] <artag> I ran dhcpclient and it's got an address for eth0, but route isn't set up so everywhere'sd unreachable
[18:14] <hhee> mp3blaster - dont switch song correctly
[18:16] <artag> and nmcli still shows it disconnected
[18:16] <pavlos> artag, what's your 'route -n'
[18:19] <artag> pavlos: It was empty. I ran dhcpclient again and it was working - but from behaviour a few minutes ago I expect it shortly to remove the routes and the ip address
[18:19] <artag> looks like something other than dhcpclient is resetting stuff ?
[18:23] <implite> !deepin | implite
[18:23] <OneM_Industries> ikonia: Right, tried both the terminal and the file manager. Neither worked, the drive and all files on the drive are all still owned by root.
[18:24] <implite> anyone ever try deepin in ubuntu?
[18:24] <implite> deepin desktop
[18:25] <k1l_> you need to use a PPA for that
[18:25] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: define neither worked
[18:25] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: did you get any error or output, what was the exact command you run
[18:25] <OneM_Industries> sudo chown twinroses /mnt/drivenamehere/
[18:26] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: so straight away "mnt" suggests an external drive, correct ?
[18:26] <OneM_Industries> It's a second drive in the box, so...kind of?
[18:26] <ikonia> what file system is on it ?
[18:26] <Guest123> Is it possible to install Ubuntu Core without an Ubuntu One account?
[18:26] <ikonia> nothing needs an ubuntu one account any more
[18:26] <ikonia> it's long dead
[18:27] <Guest123> The docs are just outdated?
[18:27] <OneM_Industries> Also tried the file manager as root, and it changed the permissions from root to twinroses for a second, then it changed back.
[18:27] <ikonia> no idea
[18:27] <OneM_Industries> Hang on.
[18:27] <k1l_> Guest123: you mean snappy core? you might ask the specialists in #snappy
[18:28] <OneM_Industries> It's NTFS.
[18:28] <Guest123> k1l_: Ok, Thanks!
[18:28] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: ok - so there is your first problem
[18:28] <OerHeks> Guest123, no, but you can create your own ssh keys after install
[18:28] <OneM_Industries> Odd part is, it was working last night.
[18:28] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: ntfs is mounted userspace
[18:28] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: so the user that mounts it, owns it
[18:28] <OneM_Industries> Oh?
[18:28] <OneM_Industries> Hunh.
[18:29] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: how is it being mounted, manually, detection or fstab
[18:29] <OneM_Industries> Double-clicking in file manager?
[18:29] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: so that seems odd as that should mount it in /media/$something rather than /mnt
[18:30] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: so I suggest it's probably mounted before you double click it
[18:30] <OneM_Industries> I manually unmounted it.
[18:30] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: now click it in the file manager
[18:32] <OneM_Industries> Still owned by root.
[18:32] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: where is it getting mounted ?
[18:32] <darc_> hello
[18:33] <darc_> i'm having a error i have seen this lot of times but not found any solution yet
[18:33] <darc_>  sudo apt-get -f  install nikto
[18:33] <darc_> Reading package lists... Done
[18:33] <darc_> Building dependency tree
[18:33] <darc_> Reading state information... Done
[18:33] <darc_> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[18:33] <darc_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:33] <kostkon> !paste | darc_
[18:34] <k1l_> darc_: put everything on paste.ubuntu.com
[18:34] <OneM_Industries> ikonia: /mnt/drivenamehere
[18:34] <darc_> sorry i was new to this
[18:34] <Guest123> Maybe try sudo apt-get update?
[18:35] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: so thats not a userspace mount
[18:35] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: is there a reference to it in /etc/fstb ?
[18:35] <ikonia> fstab
[18:35] <OneM_Industries> Yes.
[18:36] <ikonia> OneM_Industries: I suspect that is your problem
[18:36] <OneM_Industries> Ah.
[18:36] <OneM_Industries> Hang on, I can pastebin the fstab file..
[18:36] <ikonia> I don't need to see it
[18:37] <darc_> guys this is the issue im having http://paste.ubuntu.com/24335630/
[18:37] <OneM_Number2> https://pastebin.com/qe83gUEQ
[18:37] <OneM_Industries> Oh, ok.
[18:37] <OneM_Industries> Sorry.
[18:38] <ikonia> no problem
[18:38] <ikonia> so now you know what you've got to fix and sort out
[18:38] <OneM_Industries> Yep.
[18:38] <k1l_> darc_: please run "apt policy libappindicator1 libwhisker2-perl | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the outputurl here
[18:39] <darc_> k1l_: thanks and may i know what does that apt policy command do
[18:40] <k1l_> darc_: it shows the availabilty of the packages on the repo lists your system got
[18:41] <metaphysician> aptitude gives a warning every time I view changelogs of packages "Can't drop privileges for downloading as file
[18:41] <darc_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24335647/
[18:41] <driton> hi
[18:41] <Lyberta> hi, is there a way to move from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu MATE without complete reinstall?
[18:41] <ikonia> just install the mate desktop package
[18:41] <k1l_> darc_: ok, the packages are available so run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[18:42] <metaphysician> … couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[18:42] <driton> im looking for a good intel kabini mobo with intel gbit LAN...compatible with linux/ubuntu...would you recommend ASUS or Supermicro? any idea
[18:42] <driton> what are the best intel mobos for linux ?
[18:42] <ikonia> driton: check the ##hardware channel
[18:42] <driton> oh thanks
[18:42] <ikonia> anything with intel chipsets will be fine
[18:42] <Lyberta> ikonia, I do have MATE installed, I just want to ditch all traces of Unity
[18:43] <darc_> k1l_: did already same error as earlier
[18:43] <ikonia> Lyberta: then remove the unity packages
[18:43] <k1l_> darc_: no, just run my exact command without mentioning the package
[18:43] <darc_> i saw this kind of error few months ago i'm tired of searching web and left it like that
[18:43] <darc_> ok
[18:45] <darc_> k1l_:looks like they are downloading
[18:46] <darc_> k1l_: yay!!!! you are my friend............:).thanks
[18:50] <Guest123> How does Ubiquity do automated dual-boot on efi systems?
[18:50] <OneM_Number2> ikonia: Right... just tried fixing fstab, it's still doing the same thing. All the files and folders are still being mounted as root.
[18:50] <Guest123> !ubiquity
[18:51] <ikonia> OneM_Number2: fstab will always mount as root
[18:51] <ikonia> as it's a system mounting it
[18:51] <OneM_Number2> Ah.
[18:51] <Guest123> The wiki info is very limited.
[18:51] <k1l_> Guest123: with grub?
[18:51] <OneM_Number2> Did not know that, good to know.
[18:52] <ikonia> OneM_Number2: some file systems will take parameters like user= for example
[18:52] <Guest123> k1l_, Is it efi grub?
[18:52] <ikonia> OneM_Number2: but it is still root doing that
[18:52] <OneM_Number2> Yeah, that's what I tried.
[18:52] <Guest123> I'm specifically talking about macs.
[18:53] <ikonia> OneM_Number2: the only way to have write access to ntfs is via fuse userspace file system mounts
[18:53] <Guest123> !mac
[18:53] <k1l_> Guest123: macs are a totally different animal with all that refind and efi stuff
[18:54] <Guest123> The point is I want to not use refined.
[18:54] <implite> I like the old powerpc macs
[18:54] <Guest123> Nothing is clear about how to not of it. Does automated fix it?
[18:54] <OneM_Number2> ikonia: I have no clue what that is.
[18:55] <Guest123> Does Ubiquity's efi install work right?
[18:56] <k1l_> Guest123: it does. but apple makes everything difficult and got own ways of handling stuff.
[18:56] <Guest123> The ArchLinux wiki about mac installation helps a little.
[18:57] <Guest123> k1l_, I thought the Canonical people might have built-in a solution.
[18:57] <Guest123> Some articles say that it uses hybrid BIOS instead of efi.
[18:58] <artag> alkisg: I think i've got it connecting to the network semi-automatically. If I put eth0 in interfaces, it will connect but nm applet says eth0 is 'not managed'. If I run dhclient, it will work but nm applet has eth0 in the list TWICE. If I try to connect to either wlan or eth fromnm applet, it just fails to connect.
[18:58] <Guest123> !17.04
[18:58] <Guest123> Maybe this will fix it?
[18:59] <k1l_> Guest123: i dont know. i dont have apple hardware myself. there are ubuntu wiki pages who list some experiences with macbooks and what to do.
[18:59] <Guest123> Oh, well.
[18:59] <Guest123> Trial and error I guess.
[18:59] <stevehope> I had to fight with the bios on a Acer V-3 with preinstalled Windows 10... companies are bad for making os changes deliberately difficult, not just macs
[18:59] <hamzah_> hamzah
[19:00] <Guest123> Macs don't have secure  boot, though.
[19:00] <Guest123> They just have slightly unusual refi boot setup.
[19:00] <Guest123> efi
[19:00] <stevehope> ah my bad, thought newer stuff supported uefi
[19:01] <Guest123> Macs use a combination of efi and uefi.
[19:01] <subthalamus> test, am I here?
[19:01] <Guest123> Yes,subthalamus.
[19:01] <blitzcreep> how can i add a highlight to hexchat?
[19:01] <Bashing-om> subthalamus: You are bck on ubuntu suport .
[19:01] <subthalamus> thanks
[19:01] <Guest123> !efi
[19:02] <subthalamus> but I think I just fixed my problem hehe so nevermind :)
[19:02] <kostkon> blitzcreep, in preferences -> alerts?
[19:02] <blitzcreep> does it come with sound?
[19:03] <blitzcreep> ok nm
[19:03] <blitzcreep> :D
[19:04] <stevehope> the instructions onhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI dont work for Acer V3s... i posted my methoid on askubuntu
[19:05] <stevehope> post install need to ass shimx64 maunally
[19:05] <stevehope> *add
[19:05] <stevehope> shimx64.efi i mean
[19:06] <hamzah_> defence
[19:07] <alkisg> artag: I think you just messed with the system so much that it needs a reformat now to set it right
[19:08] <alkisg> artag: by removing network-manager, you also removed its dependencies, so you'd need to start with a package comparison against a normal installation
[19:21] <MagePsycho> Which is you favorite #dotfiles? https://dotfiles.github.io/ - Can you guys help me to select one? totally confused
[19:22] <k1l_> MagePsycho: this is the ubuntu support :)
[19:22] <MagePsycho> dotfiles for ubuntu
[19:23] <dean> I'm installing the drivers from: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new for the rtl8723be & it's causing a kernel panic on both the 4.8.0-36 kernel in 16.04 and it's latest kernel. Any one else experiencing this?
[19:23] <MagePsycho> how you manage hidden .dotfiles in ubuntu
[19:24] <dean> MagePsycho: I don't have many but i cp my i3 config and Xresources and stuff to Documents/dotfiles and make a git repo.
[19:24] <MagePsycho> you use symlink or rsync approach for it
[19:25] <ppf> MagePsycho: git
[19:28] <ppf> as in, put your dotfiles in a git repo and clone it on all your machines
[19:29] <ppf> and i'm not using symlinks
[19:30] <dean> No i just literally use the cp command. Pretty low tech solution but hey it works lol. there's been a few discussions on reddit.com/r/unixporn about better ways of doing it.
[19:31] <ppf> that's too annoying, i have to cp a lot of files
[19:31] <ppf> just clone it into home and be done with it
[19:41] <Guest123> Am I here?
[19:42] <ppf> you are indeed!
[19:45] <papamoose> Hi all, I was hoping someone would be able to direct me to the proper place to ask about Ubuntu's file manager and how it handles a hidden ~/.zfs directory. The error it presents the first time (usually) the file manager loads is( http://imgur.com/u3e1vXQ ): "This location could not be displayed. Sorry, could not display all the contents of "<username>": Error when getting information for file '/home/<username>/.zfs' Input/output error".
[19:45] <papamoose> This directory is mounted via NFS.
[19:45] <Guest123> !nautilus
[19:45] <Guest123> !filesystem
[19:46] <Guest123> !filemanager
[19:46] <Guest123> Maybe, try that link, papamoose?
[19:48] <Bashing-om> papamoose: " file '/home/<username>/.zfs' Input/output error"." . Are you sure the drive is healthy, and have you ran a fils system check ? I/O error generally hardware related .
[19:48] <Guest123> !fsck
[19:49] <papamoose> ~/.zfs is a virtual, read only file system. Right now I assume that nautilus expects that directory to have certain properties (which it doesn't) and fails to "open" said directory.
[19:49] <Guest123> Papamoose, maybe turn on show hidden files?
[19:49] <KnightGnome> hey everone
[19:50] <Guest123> Right click and change properties
[19:53] <ducasse> papamoose: you can read it ok from a terminal?
[19:53] <papamoose> ducasse: yes.
[19:54] <papamoose> it also loads fine after I've launched nautilus once
[19:54] <Guest123> So, it does work?
[20:01] <Jordan_U> papamoose: How are you mounting this NFS share? What happens if you list the directorie's contents with "ls" at a terminal before trying to read the directory with nautilus?
[20:02] <papamoose> `ls` works fine.
[20:02] <papamoose> nautilus works fine the second time you open it.
[20:05] <papamoose> I was hoping you guys would know of some knob i could turn to tell nautilus to ignore this directory.
[20:05] <papamoose> or premtively mark it such that it doesn't throw this error.
[20:08] <Jordan_U> papamoose: Can you confirm that if you list the contents of the directory with "ls" *before* running nautilus the first time it still has this error? Please also tell us how you are mounting this NFS share.
[20:09] <adrian_1908> Hey, random question. Is anyone else getting an strange font on YouTube for numerical elements like View Count, Thumbs Up Count, Release Date? My system is using an arabic font, I wonder if I've uninstalled anything by accident.
[20:09] <papamoose> Jordan_U: Yes. rw,ac,hard,async,intr,nodev,exec,rsize=16384,wsize=16384,noatime,relatime
[20:10] <Jordan_U> papamoose: Does that mean that you're mounting it with the mount command? Via fstab? Something else?
[20:11] <ducasse> papamoose: i don't have nautilus, but thunar works fine first time and loads .zfs as it should.
[20:11] <ducasse> (over nfs)
[20:11] <papamoose> Jordan_U: Sorry, i guess that was unclear. Yes, fstab: 'someserver:/homes	/home	nfs4	rw,ac,hard,async,intr,nodev,exec,rsize=16384,wsize=16384,noatime,relatime	0	0'
[20:12] <papamoose> ducasse: thanks for that info. I believe this issue is nautilus related. Unless I have some weird mount options... but I don't think that is the case.
[20:15] <ducasse> papamoose: which ubuntu version is this?
[20:15] <papamoose> 16.04.1
[20:15] <papamoose> client and server are the same.
[20:16] <awesomess3> how much space do the graphics drivers take up in the latest Ubuntu DVD ISO?
[20:16] <ducasse> papamoose: ah. i'm on 17.04, so there's no point in me installing nautilus as it would be an entirely different version.
[20:16] <papamoose> its probably worth running nautilus in debug mode then.
[20:18] <Jordan_U> papamoose: It looks like "intr" is depricated since linux 2.6.25, and I don't know why you have both noatime and relatime. But neither of those is likely to cause this problem.
[20:19] <papamoose> Jordan_U: thats not surprising, these mount setting have been migrated from systems that were from before that era.
[20:20] <OerHeks> awesomess3, nobosy asked that before, what is your goal with that answer?
[20:22] <tuf> hello
[20:24] <awesomess3> OerHeks: I was trying to find a good reason to create an Arch liveUSB ISO because you can deselect stuff you don't need. So I was wondering how much space I could save in my liveUSB partition.
[20:26] <k1l_> awesomess3: then better ask the arch guys about their setups and not #ubuntu
[20:26] <visiona> I am still struggling to set up my wifi connection. my wireless 1: brcmwl-0: Wireless LAN is hard blocked, I tried keys combinations, many commands and still off. I would appreciate any help
[20:26] <awesomess3> OerHeks: I looked at the ubuntu packages and I looked at the driver names for the graphic drivers... /lib/modules/3.19.0-32-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/  with weird names that don't even have nvidia, or ati, or msi on them...
[20:26] <kenrin> You check bios visiona,  or rfkill ?
[20:26] <k1l_> visiona: does "sudo rfkill unblock all" help?
[20:27] <awesomess3> OerHeks: and there was only like 18 of them...............so maybe graphics drivers aren't that big of a deal to make it so that you can run your liveUSB on basically any computer with any gfx card.
[20:27] <visiona> kenrin: yes, but I do not have any options for wireless in BIOS, however i brought settings to defaults in BIOS and still doesn't work. I have wifi enabled but open any wifi networks
[20:28] <visiona> k1l_: rfkill unblock didn't do anything :(
[20:28] <OerHeks> making a custom iso, what will you gain, a few mb ?
[20:30] <OerHeks> graphics drivers aren't that big of a deal <> run your liveUSB on basically any computer with any gfx card. .. you understand what you wrote?
[20:30] <compdoc> I would love a custom iso that auto-selects the options I normally choose
[20:30] <ducasse> awesomess3: if you want to create an arch liveusb you should ask in #archlinux
[20:31] <OerHeks> preseed file would be more usefull, than editting an iso
[20:31] <tgm4883> also, why do you think that '/lib/modules/3.19.0-32-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/ ' should have nvidia, ati, or msi in it
[20:34] <Duckle> So if I'm trying to compile a program from github, and the ./configure step fails with "configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-3.0 >= 3.18.0) were not met:" which package is it I need to install? It failed with a similar error prior to that, but with gsettings-desktop-schemas as the missing packagage, and installing gsettings-desktop-schemas-dev fixed that (gsettings-desktop-schemas was already installed)
[20:34] <Duckle> I'm assuming I need to install something like gtk+-dev
[20:34] <Duckle> but I can't find such a package
[20:34] <Duckle> I'm running ubuntu 16.04
[20:34] <Jordan_U> awesomess3: It's only 12 MiB uncompressed on my system, and will be significantly less on the Live image because it's compressed with squashfs. It doesn't sound worth bothering with to me.
[20:35] <nicomachus> Duckle: does the github page list dependencies?
[20:35] <nicomachus> or a README?
[20:35] <Duckle> nicomachus: https://github.com/craigcabrey/luminance
[20:35] <Duckle> yep
[20:35] <OerHeks> Jordan_U, oh, i was thinking about 60 mb compressed, nice
[20:35] <Duckle> Just says "GTK+ 3.18 or later"
[20:35] <nicomachus> Duckle: did you install all of the requirements?
[20:36] <Duckle> nicomachus: I can't find the GTK+ package
[20:36] <atf_> hi. Can someone give me a hand getting a graphics card working on a dell running lubuntu
[20:36] <Duckle> sudo apt search GTK+ gets me a lot of libs, but not GTK+
[20:36] <visiona> My investigation brought me  to three potential issues: 1. why I have BCM4312 while in bios I have wlan card as QDS-BRCM1063 - so potentially I need different driver; 2. I installed ubuntu in acpi=off mode, and acpi is responsible also for Fn key not working on my keyboard - Fn + F12 should enable the network (however action key in bios is enabled); 3. Potential option of reinstaling bios
[20:36] <kenrin> You got the libgtk-3-dev installed ?
[20:37] <OerHeks> Duckle, their site says: https://github.com/craigcabrey/luminance/issues/14
[20:38] <nicomachus> Duckle: apt install libgtk-3-dev
[20:38] <Duckle> kenrin: Nope, but thanks for the name :) that's what I couldn't find
[20:38] <kenrin> If you got the normal packages installed always look for -dev
[20:38] <Duckle> kenrin: I was looking for gtk+ I wasn't aware I should be looking for lib :)
[20:38] <atf_> installation on works when I have nomodeset selected (f6 other opytions). However when I start lunbuntu (or ubuntu) the screen is just full on nonsense. I can start in recovery mode and then it work. I think the laptop (not mine) has some kind of weird graphics card
[20:39] <nicomachus> Duckle: sometimes google is better than apt-cache search
[20:39] <Duckle> gotcha
[20:39] <Duckle> I can't use the software center, because that won't open
[20:39] <k1l_> !bcm43xx
[20:39] <Jordan_U> atf_: What is the output of "lspci | grep VGA"?
[20:39] <Duckle> It's really weird
[20:39] <nicomachus> Duckle: just install from terminal
[20:39] <k1l_> visiona: look if this helps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:39] <Duckle> yeah, that's what I'm doing
[20:40] <atf_> Jordan_U lspci | grep VGA
[20:40] <atf_> opps
[20:40] <OerHeks> Duckle, yakkety 16.10 got 3.20 ..
[20:40] <visiona> ubottu: k1l_: thank you, just checking now
[20:40] <atf_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom/Celeron/Pentium Processor x5-E8000/J3xxx/N3xxx Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 35)
[20:40] <Duckle> OerHeks: It should be fine with 3.18 :)
[20:42] <OerHeks> Duckle,  yes, only when you edit the XML to the correct GTK
[20:42] <Jordan_U> atf_: What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[20:42] <Duckle> OerHeks: I'm assuming that has changled, because it's not complaining about gtk after installing the dev package
[20:42] <Duckle> OerHeks: It's probably been accepted as a pull reqest since that issue
[20:42] <nicomachus> OerHeks: that thread you linked showed that the devs changed it and corrected it. Shouldn't need to edit the XML
[20:43] <atf_> lubuntu
[20:43] <OerHeks> nice, carry on, sorry for the remarks.
[20:43] <Jordan_U> atf_: What release? (16.04, 16.10, etc)
[20:43] <atf_> 16.04
[20:44] <Jordan_U> atf_: Try post #2 here: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=311031 .
[20:45] <Jordan_U> atf_: Be sure to back up /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf first though by running "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf-bak" .
[20:46] <Duckle> tadah, it worked :D
[20:46] <Duckle> thanks for the help guys
[20:46] <Jordan_U> atf_: Also, it's possible that this workaround won't be needed with Ubuntu 16.10 (though I haven't seen a particular indication that it is).
[20:47] <the_shad0w> hello my fellow ubuntu users...hey i have a quick question that i was hoping someone could assist me with, does anyone recall how to add a new program to the "dash-to-dock" menu?
[20:47] <the_shad0w> i tried alacrate but that did not work...
[20:48] <awesomess3> is it possible to add more packages to Xubuntu 16.04 easily into the ISO? Do I have to extract the squashfs file and then just paste my packages in there (like more up-to-date software)? :-)
[20:49] <the_shad0w> nm...i figured it out!
[21:03] <visiona> I installed  some packages but it didn't help. wifi is still hardblocked
[21:06] <dStruct> I have a bit of a random question.  If I hypothetically have a disk formatted 768 bits per sector is there a way I could somehow natively mount it or access it and copy files off?  I'm trying to avoid DD'ing the disk and digging thru it manually
[21:07] <ikonia> what does the sector size have to do with if you can mount it ?
[21:07] <dStruct> ikonia: not much, but the FS is a bit of an unknown, throw lots of errors if I try a regular mount
[21:08] <ikonia> then why say it ?
[21:08] <dStruct> ikonia: what I have is from a mainframe that runs MPX-32 UNIX, which I believe was spun off of AT&T UNIX
[21:08] <ikonia> dStruct: so what is the file system on it
[21:09] <dStruct> ikonia: I wish I could tell you, it doesn't show up as a known type
[21:09] <ikonia> dStruct: doesn't show up where ?
[21:09] <ikonia> where are you expecting something to diagnose the file system for you ?
[21:09] <dStruct> ikonia: well I should clarify that statement, the partition type doesn't show up as a known type
[21:10] <ikonia> what has the partition type got to do with the file system ?
[21:11] <atf_> Hi - I'm new to this! how do I create a new txt file in etc/ with root access?
[21:12] <ikonia> atf_: sudo
[21:13] <atf_> I'm using lunbtu 16.40. I treied sudoedit and it told me know such file exists
[21:13] <ikonia> atf_: when you save the file it will create the file
[21:14] <atf_> i've created file in leafpad. I tried to save it and I get a permission denied when i try to create the folder
[21:14] <ikonia> atf_: how are you creating the folder
[21:15] <atf_> sorry my mistae - i need to sude leafpad! I'll get there. thanks
[21:22] <atf2> Hi Jordan_U : link didn;t work - still have the same problem with the graphics when I oot
[21:22] <munchkin24> Can anyone help me with why my Kraken usb headset is no longer working?
[21:23] <munchkin24> It's showing in my sound settings, and I can select it, but no sound is coming out of it
[21:25] <Jordan_U> atf2: Please pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf .
[21:26] <tmch2> Hi! Did anybody ever have a 'no space on drive' error with df showing free space?
[21:27] <k1l_> tmch2: look at "df -i"
[21:27] <atf2> !tab Jordan_U http://paste.ubuntu.com/24336450/
[21:27] <tmch2> Thank you! it
[21:27] <munchkin24> Can anyone help me with my Razer usb headset? http://askubuntu.com/questions/447718/no-sound-on-usb-headset-how-to-manage-soundcards-and-audio-devices#448294 isn't showing me anything different
[21:27] <tmch2> 's that.
[21:27] <atf2> Jordan_U http://paste.ubuntu.com/24336450/
[21:27] <atf2> !tab
[21:30] <tmch2> A stupid question while we're at it: Can I add more inodes? Or is it only possible by removing files?
[21:30] <k1l_> you can create more inodes just on formating
[21:31] <atf2> Jordan_U: I think it's a hybrid graphics card if that makes any diiference
[21:31] <k1l_> so now better get rid of old files. look at old kernel headers for example
[21:32] <tmch2> thank you
[21:33] <munchkin24> What's the best way to determine the amount of support for a distro?
[21:33] <munchkin24> Because I've been asking the same question, and so far only gotten one repsonse
[21:33] <fatalhalt> RedHat
[21:34] <SlidingHorn> munchkin24, lurk their IRC channels & support forums.  Keep an eye out for how quickly/sufficiently people's responses are answered
[21:34] <munchkin24> SlidingHorn: Good idea. Thanks
[21:34] <k1l_> munchkin24: did you search the forums or askubuntu for other people with that hardware?
[21:34] <munchkin24> Yup
[21:35] <munchkin24> Even installed drivers from someone attempting to help with Razer products on Linux systems
[21:35] <SlidingHorn> munchkin24, (and we're going off topic, so let's continue in #ubuntu-offtopic after this if you're interested) IMO ubuntu & arch seem to have the best/most active support communities. Depends on your familiarity w/ linux systems though.
[21:35] <fatalhalt> i'm experiencing a framebuffer corruption upon Resume around the edges of windows? any ideas? unity decorator bug? https://u.nya.is/dqsmph.jpg using nvidia blob and geforce 900 series gfx card
[21:38] <Jordan_U> atf2: Did you need to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory or did it already exist?
[21:38] <atf_> Jordan_U: i needed to create it
[21:40] <Jordan_U> munchkin24: If nobody knows the answer to your particular question then nobody will respond. It may be that your question is just particularly hard to answer.
[21:40] <Jordan_U> atf_: Try an Ubuntu 16.10 LiveUSB and see if you can boot it without nomodeset.
[21:41] <DocMAX> ello i'm stuck on "This installation of MySQL is already upgraded to 5.7.17, use --force if you still need to run mysql_upgrade" in apt upgrade
[21:41] <atf_> will do - v slow internet (still 40 mins to download) will try tomorrow. thanks for your help s far
[21:42] <AndChat330644> How do I wipe a hdd with minimal install CD
[21:42] <munchkin24> Jordan_U: Understandable
[21:43] <munchkin24> Doesn't make it any less annoying, but I can try google
[21:43] <tomreyn> AndChat330644: i'm not sure it has the tools for it. you'd need hdparm if you want to do a secure ata erase
[21:44] <Jordan_U> AndChat330644: What is your goal in wiping the drive?
[21:45] <AndChat330644> Jordan_U securely removing all the data
[21:45] <wx> do i need to set zfs to automount
[21:45] <wx> if i created a zfs pool
[21:45] <AndChat330644> Thanks tomreyn
[21:45] <tomreyn> AndChat330644: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase
[21:46] <wx> i found conflicting info online about if i should add it to fstab, use automount, or do nothing
[21:46] <wx> im running 16.10 ubuntu
[21:46] <bradley> i have a samsung printer that i use as a networked printer... how do i get ubuntu to recognize it? I've gone to settings>printers>add a printer and it finds it and then seems to add it but i can't print anything
[21:47] <munchkin24> Anyone have much experience usb headsets in Linux? Maybe there's configuration issues with my headset?
[21:47] <Jordan_U> bradley: What happens when  you try to print to it?
[21:47] <munchkin24> Or maybe a place where I can purchase Linux compatible hardware? I do need a mouse and apparently a headset
[21:48] <Jordan_U> !hcl | munchkin24
[21:48] <jennie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24336553/ Please tell me why i can not mount this windows 10 partition? :S
[21:49] <wx> i didnt know windows 10 was a file system
[21:49] <coffeeguy> ntfs?
[21:49] <bekks> jennie: Use /dev/sda3 not /dev/sda3/
[21:50] <Jordan_U> jennie: Because you included a '/' at the end of your path, which means that it is a directory. Try "sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt/win/".
[21:51] <Jordan_U> bradley: Also, if it supports Google Cloud Print that might be a way to get around driver issues.
[21:51] <munchkin24> Jordan_U: https://certification.ubuntu.com/certification/ready/ is a link to the "archive of hardware" which is spitting a 404 error at me
[21:51] <munchkin24> Jordan_U: And the "Certified Hardware" link, has Desktops, servers, SoC, nothing regarding headsets or mice
[21:52] <jennie> bekks: Jordan_U now this is coming up http://paste.ubuntu.com/24336569/
[21:53] <k1l_> that is the fake shutdown from windows10
[21:53] <wx> do i need to set zfs to automount?
[21:53] <wx> if i created a zfs pool
[21:53] <wx> i found conflicting info online about if i should add it to fstab, use automount, or do nothing
[21:53] <k1l_> it doesnt really shutdown the partitions properly, to simulate a faster reboot time
[21:53] <k1l_> jennie: sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda3
[21:54] <tomreyn> jennie: IIRC if you hold down shift while selection the options to shut down windows then it should shut down properly.
[21:56] <Jordan_U> k1l_: If Windows 10 is hibernated then what will ntfsfix do?
[21:56] <kud> hi guys
[21:56] <k1l_> Jordan_U: it will "fix" it :)
[21:57] <Jordan_U> k1l_: I can't think of a good way to "fix" the fact that the filesytem is frozen other than booting Windows and completely shutting it down.
[21:58] <jennie> ok i am trying tomreyn shift trick
[21:58] <k1l_> Jordan_U: its not that windows is hibernated on purpose. it uses this "not clean unmount" technic to let the reboot time fasten up a bit. you need to deactivate it in the settings manually.
[21:59] <kud> does anyone know how to remove half-installed software on Ubuntu?
[21:59] <k1l_> kud: put all the output to paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[21:59] <kud> I nstalled Electrum using python install
[22:00] <nacc> kud: you mean you ran a command like `python install ... ` ?
[22:00] <kud> yes
[22:00] <nacc> kud: you will need to hope that whatever you used has an 'uninstall' command then, otherwise not much we can do
[22:00] <kud> and got an error so it didnt install
[22:00] <Jordan_U> k1l_: I know you need to deactivate it in Windows' settings. But you're not recommending that, you're recommending using ntfsfix. If the system is hibernated then at best ntfsfix will do nothing, at worst it will clear the dirty bit which would be a very bad thing. (And in the medium case it will flip the bit to trigger a chkdsk at next boot unecessarily).
[22:00] <nacc> kud: use actual ubuntu packages or `checkinstall` or something
[22:00] <kud> now it shows as installed but I can use or remove it
[22:01] <munchkin24> SlidingHorn: So, I can't join that channel why?
[22:01] <SlidingHorn> munchkin24, you have to have a registered nick on freenode
[22:01] <munchkin24> Awesome
[22:02] <bradley> Jordan_U: i get a message that says "processing" but nothing happens (but i can print from other computers)
[22:04] <k1l_> Jordan_U: yes. if the windows was really hibernated, it would run the fsck on next windows boot. imho, the ntfsfix is a good thing to be able to mount windows partitions while not having slower boot times on windows.
[22:05] <bradley> Jordan_U: and i try to print something else from ubuntu the print dialogue box says: "Unable to locate printer SECxxxxx.local"
[22:06] <Jordan_U> k1l_: Why would you want to run chkdsk at the next boot when there is nothing wrong with the filesystem? How des that help you mount the partition without having slower boot times on windows? Now instead of just rebooting and holding shift to shut down Windows you have to reboot, wait for chkdsk to complete, *and* hold down shift when shutting down Windows.
[22:06] <runessa> Hi guys!
[22:08] <k1l_> Jordan_U: because 1) who ever said that system is in hibernation? one can assume its the standard win10 fake shutdown where ntfsfix works 2) ntfsfix works now, no reboot needed
[22:09] <Jordan_U> k1l_: Windows fake shutdown *is* hibernation.
[22:09] <k1l_> Jordan_U: no it isnt
[22:09] <bradley> Jordan_U: do i need to install special samsung drivers? i don't remember doing that in the past
[22:10] <k1l_> Jordan_U: its just handling the partitions as if it was hibernation
[22:11] <Jordan_U> k1l_: No, it's logging off all users then hibernating. It's much more about the OS than it is about the filesystem. See https://www.howtogeek.com/243901/the-pros-and-cons-of-windows-10s-fast-startup-mode/
[22:12] <Jordan_U> k1l_: If ntfsfix allows you to mount a partition from a "fasboot" hibernated Windows then I consider that dangerous, and hopefully ntfsfix can be fixed to disallow such usage.
[22:12] <jennie> thanks guys i got the windows mounted with shift shutdown
[22:12] <bradley> Jordan_U: oh, and i get a dialogue bubble that says error connecting to device when i try to print
[22:12] <k1l_> Jordan_U: that is exactly what ntfsfix is made for
[22:13] <Jordan_U> k1l_: No, ntfsfix is older than fastboot.
[22:14] <Jordan_U> k1l_: And its manual doesn't mention fastboot or hibernation anywhere than I could finx.
[22:14] <jennie> i installed this software, now i am wondering where did it go? can i just use it from terminal/ https://www.howtoinstall.co/en/ubuntu/trusty/android-tools-fsutils
[22:14] <Jordan_U> s/finx/find/
[22:14] <finisterra_> I am having trouble getting touchscreen to work in Gnome. Please help.
[22:15] <Jordan_U> k1l_: I have provided you with a source demonstrating that this is hibernation. I hope that you can realize that changing a filesystem that is part of a hibernated OS is a bad idea. If you cannot find a source showing that this is safe I ask that you please stop giving this advice.
[22:15] <deeno> I was wonder how an Solid State Drive works. Can a solid state be ruined permanently thru bad partitioning?
[22:15] <jennie> s@s:~$ sim2gimg  ,No command 'sim2gimg' found, did you mean:  Command 'simg2img' from package 'android-tools-fsutils' (main), sim2gimg: command not found
[22:15] <jennie> found or not found ? :S
[22:15] <jennie> nevermind
[22:16] <Jordan_U> deeno: No. No combination of bits written to the disk can cause physical damage. That said, having unaligned partitions could lead to more writes than you should have during normal operation, and that could eventually reduce the life of the drive.
[22:17] <k1l_> Jordan_U: using ntfsfix is a known solution to this issue. but i will stop giving advice then on that issue
[22:17] <deeno> Jordan_U: there no eproms which determine the partition table then? Do you know of any software which can fix this?
[22:17] <deeno> there are*
[22:18] <bradley> i have a samsung printer that i use as a networked printer... how do i get ubuntu to recognize it? I've gone to settings>printers>add a printer and it finds it and then seems to add it but i can't print anything. When i print a test page it just says "processing" and then i get a bubble saying "Printing Error connecting-to-device".
[22:18] <Jordan_U> k1l_: The first link for the search "fstboot ntfs" is to this post: https://sudopacman.wordpress.com/2015/01/09/dont-use-ntfsfix-in-linux-just-turn-off-fast-boot-in-windows/ saying not to do it, and that when they did it it lead to file loss.
[22:19] <Jordan_U> deeno: What are you trying to fix?
[22:19] <k1l_> deeno: its about the "alignement". so if one sector matches one sector on the ssd. so its not changing 2 sectors because its overlapping.
[22:20] <k1l_> deeno: gparted on ubuntu does this alignement automatically
[22:20] <kenrin> bradley: did you go to samsung website and install the printer driver?
[22:20] <deeno> deeno: my SSD partition table
[22:21] <bradley> kenrin: i didn't but i don't remember doing it with my other ubuntu installs... is this something new?
[22:21] <bradley> kenrin: i pretty sure i was just using CUPS
[22:22] <tomreyn> bradley: some printeres are supporte dout of the box, others are not.
[22:22] <tomreyn> which model do you have there?
[22:22] <Jordan_U> bradley: Does that printer support Google Cloud Print?
[22:23] <deeno> I was also interested in paying for a Kubuntu compact disc, but perhaps it is copy protected now. ?? But if you give me to much compassion; anybody might abuse it.
[22:23] <kenrin> If its using CUPs you can enable debug and see what the error is
[22:23] <k1l_> deeno: you might want to ask in #kubuntu
[22:24] <bradley> tomreyn: it is the same printer on the same network with two differnet computers ubuntu-gnome 16.04 desktop (which is printing fine) and the one i am having problems with ubuntu gnome 16.10 notebook
[22:25] <bradley> kenrin: how do i enable debug for CUPS & is there a way to tell what drivers are being used?
[22:25] <tomreyn> bradley: oh, well maybe you need to compare their configurations then,
[22:25] <kenrin> You might want to read this page:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems
[22:27] <tomreyn> bradley: if you're using CUPS to print on the 16.04 system then take a look at /etc/cups/printers.conf there and compare it to the one on the 16.10
[22:28] <tomreyn> (you need to be root to read this file)
[22:28] <bradley> tomreyn: ok, i will do that now
[22:30] <kud> Am I still in?
[22:30] <kud> I thought I got kicked out for inactivity
[22:32] <kud> Are distros made for pentesting more secure than others?
[22:32] <kud> Do they have more privacy?
[22:32] <k1l_> kud: no. most times they dont care about own security
[22:33] <OerHeks> would you use/store sensitive info on a pentesting system ?
[22:33] <kud> kil_: so they just have tools for offensive activities
[22:34] <k1l_> kud: most pentesting distros are not meant to be run as user systems. but i guess you better ask the distros guys or in ##linux
[22:34] <kud> I downloaded BackBox and was contemplating switching
[22:35] <bradley> tomreyn: ok, i have both outputs. here is the one that is working: https://pastebin.com/QprKipgK
[22:35] <kud> k1l_: I think you answered me  sufficiently
[22:36] <bradley> tomreyn: and here is the one that doesn't work https://pastebin.com/M15kpCXe
[22:37] <deeno> I guess you can't fix a broken SSD partition table.
[22:38] <kud> later guys
[22:42] <bradley> tomreyn: i have to go, i'll check back in later to see if you are around
[23:04] <sere84> anyone know if there is a fix for the banshee crashing when i mount my google drive
[23:12] <thiras> why ZFS only supported for storage and not also root fs?
[23:13] <nacc> thiras: because it's not? it would require extensive testing, etc. and zfs was a late add for 16.04, iirc
[23:14] <nacc> thiras: there are ways to do it, i believe documented on the zfs github page, but not with stock ubuntu (at least not 16.04)
[23:14] <thiras> so we may get it for root level too at future LTS, as i understand
[23:15] <nacc> thiras: maybe
[23:15] <k1l_> thiras: https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu
[23:15] <thiras> it would be great if we can. it's obviously superior FS than ext family (at least for feature focused view)
[23:17] <k1l_> and according to http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2017/04/thank-you-note-to-hackernews.html  there are some intern testings on that topic
[23:35] <ubuntu-studio> iiii
[23:36] <the_count> Hello! I was just trying to install gnome with ' sudo apt-get install ubuntu-gnome-desktop ' but it says I have unmet dependencies, and then something else about held broken packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337107/
[23:36] <k1l_> the_count: sudo apt install -f
[23:37] <the_count> k1l: It doesn't do anyting
[23:37] <the_count> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337107/
[23:37] <k1l_> that is the same paste
[23:38] <the_count> k1l: Says ' Reading package lists... DoneBuilding dependency treeReading state information... Done0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. '
[23:39] <Lorne> Hey - I'm trying to mount an NTFS drive by installing NTFS-3G... but get the following errors... http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337115/  Any thoughts>
[23:40] <wastrel> i installed ubuntu-gnome-desktop yesterday it worked fine
[23:40] <wastrel> 16.04
[23:40] <the_count> wastrel: I have 16.04 as wel
[23:41] <wastrel> i'm told you can just install gnome-shell and a few other things
[23:41] <wastrel> rather than the whole metapackage
[23:41] <wastrel> also: it messed up my unity fonts
[23:41] <k1l_> the_count: "sudo apt install -f" should try to fix the missing bits
[23:42] <k1l_> the_count: can you please run a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[23:43] <k1l_> Lorne: ntfs-3g is not your issue
[23:43] <the_count> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337136/
[23:43] <k1l_> Lorne: "ntfs-3g is already the newest version"
[23:43] <k1l_> Lorne: this is your error: "grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory."
[23:44] <k1l_> the_count: make sure universe is enabled
[23:45] <the_count> k1l: It is
[23:46] <k1l_> the_count: apt policy gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop gnome-music
[23:46] <compdoc> I think you have to install gnome-shell too
[23:47] <k1l_> compdoc: the meta package should pull all those as dependencies. which it tries actually, according to the paste
[23:47] <the_count> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337149/
[23:47] <Lorne> kll:  ok - good call.  How do I fix that error?
[23:48] <Lorne> kll: what makes the EFI dir?
[23:48] <k1l_> the_count: "sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop" see if it works now after the new repo list
[23:49] <the_count> k1l_: Just tried that, and same message
[23:49] <k1l_> the_count: "sudo apt-get install -f" please shwo the output
[23:50] <Lorne> k1l: sorry...squinting to read your name...!    What creates an EFI dir?
[23:50] <the_count> k1l_: Same message: Reading package lists... Done
[23:50] <the_count> Building dependency tree
[23:50] <the_count> Reading state information... Done
[23:50] <the_count> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[23:51] <k1l_> the_count: sudo apt install gnome-shell
[23:52] <the_count> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337163/
[23:53] <k1l_> Lorne: i am not familiar with that efi stuff. but looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/+bug/1571925 and if comment 6 could work
[23:53] <Lorne> k1l thx.   I'm reading some of that...and came across "boot repair"... may give that a try.  Thx!
[23:54] <k1l_> the_count: sudo apt install gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon
[23:54] <Guest123> How do you get boot-repair?
[23:54] <debianarm> is this phone working with a debian x file system
[23:54] <the_count> k1l_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24337167/
[23:56] <debianarm> well i still dont have sound hooks mapped for alsa utilities
[23:56] <k1l_> the_count: its mixing packages from regular repo and updates repo
[23:57] <the_count> k1l_: So, is there any way to fix it?
[23:57] <k1l_> debianarm: this is the ubuntu support. for debian issue /join #debian
[23:57] <OerHeks> the_count, all these actions seems odd, is there a kernel reboot pending??
[23:58] <the_count> OerHeks: Not that I know of, I can try that
[23:58] <debianarm> there is no way to gey access to those bastards
[23:58] <debianarm> debian is blocked
[23:58] <k1l_> the_count: apt policy gnome-session-common gnome-settings-daemon-schemas gnome-session gnome-settings-daemon
[23:58] <debianarm> for a long time hundreds oft
[23:59] <k1l_> debianarm: then dont run irc as root. ask in ##linux
[23:59] <debianarm> k11 yea yea change user later