[00:06] <grandwatch_COMMA> hey.
[00:08] <grandwatch_COMMA> would a radeon 7700 perform as good on ubuntu a son windows?
[00:08] <grandwatch_COMMA> regarding the driver quality.
[00:09] <Denyerec> In the file manager, what's the command key to spawn a new window ?
[00:10] <Denyerec> Also, are there any file managers that are somewhat less.... basic.
[00:10] <Denyerec> Like Directory Opus, for example ?
[00:11] <mouse> #FreeBSD
[00:12] <grandwatch_COMMA> mouse, can you help?
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: as in?: nautilus
[00:14] <Denyerec> Whatever the default file "manager"  is
[00:14] <Denyerec> (More of a file browser if you ask me)
[00:14] <grandwatch_COMMA> nautilus.
[00:14] <Denyerec> Just wanted to spawn a new window - couldn't
[00:14] <Denyerec> had to use the mouse
[00:14] <Denyerec> Tried Alt N, Ctrl N, Ctrl Alt N
[00:14] <Denyerec> Nothing seemed to trip it off
[00:14] <Denyerec> But in the file menu, I see "new window" with N as a shortcut key underlined.
[00:14] <Denyerec> Thought that'd be Alt+N
[00:15] <Denyerec> But didn't seem to work
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> grandwatch_COMMA: ati support tends to leave you with 2 choices: decent 2d performance and practically no 3d with radeon driver, or good 3d and crap 2d with fglrx
[00:15] <grandwatch_COMMA> what's with the three floodbots?
[00:16] <grandwatch_COMMA> it was fine on windows.
[00:16] <grandwatch_COMMA> but for some reason catalyst doesn't save the settings, I've tried everything.
[00:16] <grandwatch_COMMA> running as root..
[00:17] <grandwatch_COMMA> hitsujiTMO, could you help with this problem? where catalyst wont save my settings. the screen always goes back to not spreading out compltely. across the screen.
[00:18] <grandwatch_COMMA> 1680 x 1050..
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> try setting up an xorg.conf
[00:18] <Denyerec> How do I spawn a root file manager?
[00:19] <hitsujiTMO> to be honest, i avoid ati graphics like the plague, so can't help you with the specifics
[00:19] <grandwatch_COMMA> i dont have dvi ports.
[00:19] <grandwatch_COMMA> this is a tv.
[00:19] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: install gksu and do: gksudo nautilus
[00:19] <grandwatch_COMMA> i would have gone for nvidia.
[00:19] <Denyerec> Oh, so you can't right click and "run as root" ?
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: not that i know of
[00:20] <Denyerec> MMM
[00:20] <Denyerec> Maybe I should install Thunar instead of Nautilis
[00:20] <Denyerec> Nautilus seems awfully... basic.
[00:20] <Denyerec> Is it supposed to be ?
[00:20] <Denyerec> Or is it operating in some kind of newbie mode?
[00:21] <Denyerec> Bit new to Linux GUI, sorry :(
[00:21] <Denyerec> (Server commandline for years)
[00:21] <oldsmokey> gotta luv linux
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> yeah, its intended for base use. power users tend to stick with terminal
[00:21] <Denyerec> Bit of a quantum leap that.
[00:21] <Denyerec> "Here, have a crayon. Or this supercomputer."
[00:21] <oldsmokey> cant wait to tweak the crap out of it
[00:22] <Denyerec> :)
[00:23] <oldsmokey> 3.12.0-031200rc6-generic will make it scream lol
[00:25] <sophie__> oldsmokey, what's new in 3.12 over 3.8 from the standpoint of the end user?
[00:27] <ExWizzard> hello everyone, is it possible to restore an rm -rf / server by wgeting the files from another identical server /boot /usr and all that?
[00:28] <Thalheim> ExWizzard, how did you end up in this situation?
[00:29] <ExWizzard> i was called to fix this, i dont know the exact details, the user with root access executed the command
[00:29] <Thalheim> well,
[00:29] <Thalheim> you'd need to boot it from a live system
[00:29] <OerHeks> ExWizzard, not possible unless you were root. if so, time to backup and reinstall.
[00:30] <ExWizzard> i am booted into rescue mode, with the partitions attached
[00:30] <ExWizzard> half the files are there
[00:30] <ExWizzard> other half not..
[00:30] <Thalheim> recover the files that you can.
[00:30] <Thalheim> then reinstall
[00:30] <Thalheim> and rsync the files from there
[00:30] <ExWizzard> i see, so no chance of bringing the server up online without reinstalling?
[00:31] <Thalheim> not really
[00:31] <Guest68286> 这是哪里
[00:31] <ExWizzard> i was hoping to run a file recovery program on the partition
[00:31] <Thalheim> at least that i know of
[00:31] <Thalheim> you can still run a recovery program on it
[00:31] <Thalheim> but there's no way you're going to do this on a live system
[00:32] <ExWizzard> the rescue mode is read only, cannot compile the recovery program
[00:32] <Thalheim> worst case, mount a network drive
[00:32] <Thalheim> and compile everything on there
[00:32] <tking0036> I figured out the problem.. curl is replacing & in links with &
[00:32] <tking0036> how do I stop that
[00:33] <Thalheim> tking0036, what language are you calling curl from, if any?
[00:33] <tking0036> bash
[00:33] <Thalheim> is it in quotes?
[00:34] <ExWizzard> okay thanks
[00:34] <tking0036> It's not.. I'll try putting the url in quotyes
[00:34] <Thalheim> tking0036, if that fails, escape all of the &'s with \ slashes
[00:34] <Thalheim> like this \& this
[00:34] <tking0036> is that -e ?
[00:35] <Thalheim> tking0036, what command are you using?
[00:35] <tking0036> im doing curl -b cookies.txt --url "the url"
[00:36] <tking0036> writing out with > out.txt
[00:36] <Thalheim> and your url is in double quotes and it still fails?
[00:36] <tking0036> it doesnt fail.. It puts &
[00:36] <Thalheim> is the url constant?
[00:36] <tking0036> It works.. Like I get that page
[00:37] <tking0036> but there are links on the page with & in them
[00:37] <tking0036> and it replaces every & in the response file with &
[00:37] <Thalheim> oh i see
[00:38] <tking0036> Could I do something with sed?
[00:38] <Thalheim> thinking
[00:38] <tking0036> I don't regex so idk there
[00:38] <m4t> hey, could someone tell me what is renaming eth0 to em1 in 13.10?
[00:38] <m4t> no 70-persistent-net.rules
[00:39] <wr3d> hi all
[00:39] <fwaokda> using ssh whats the proper way to download a file to my pc from remote location? i tried  scp filename ~/home/user/ but it put a copy on the remote server there
[00:39] <wr3d> does anyone know how to enable appmenu in GTK apps?
[00:39] <wr3d> or does unity-gtk2-module take care of that now?
[00:40] <tking0036> Thalheim: any ideas?
[00:40] <Thalheim> try uppercase B
[00:40] <ausxxh> this is a dumb question, is there a way i somehow apt-get back to the stage of fresh install?
[00:40] <ausxxh> reinstall with uefi and windows8 is always scary
[00:41] <Thalheim> ausxxh, reinstall windows 8?
[00:41] <ausxxh> no reinstall ubuntu
[00:41] <Thalheim> oh
[00:41] <ausxxh> in fact my laptop does not have a windows 8 cd with it
[00:41] <Thalheim> then what does w8 have to do with it?
[00:41] <ausxxh> my ubuntu is 'broken' somehow
[00:42] <ausxxh> dual-boot, and i want to see if i can 'reset' ubuntu before i have to reinstall it
[00:42] <ausxxh> 12.04 that is
[00:42] <ausxxh> i think it's caused by some stupid i386 packages required by androdi build
[00:42] <Thalheim> ah
[00:42] <tking0036> Thalheim: -B is for FTP transfers
[00:42] <overdub> fwaokda, scp -v user@host:/path/to/file .
[00:43] <fwaokda> thanks
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, there is no reset.
[00:44] <fwaokda> overdub, is there a cmd or something to find out what my user@host should be?
[00:44] <overdub> that would be the remote machine user host
[00:44] <fwaokda> ahh ok thanks
[00:44] <overdub> you said you wanted to copy a file to your computer from remote
[00:44] <fwaokda> yup
[00:45] <tking0036> can someone help me with sed
[00:45] <tking0036> I need to replace & with &
[00:46] <overdub> sed -e 's:\&:\&:g'
[00:47] <Thalheim> overdub, does it make a difference to use slashes versus colons?
[00:47] <tking0036> overdub: thank you so fuckingmuch
[00:47] <overdub> you may use any non meta character as delimiter
[00:47] <Thalheim> learned something new
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> !language | tking0036
[00:47] <tking0036> that worked
[00:48] <overdub> Thalheim, have had that feeling in IRC many times myself :)
[00:49] <ausxxh> wilee-nilee: thanks. it's time to get a 'recovery' mode for linux...
[00:50] <ausxxh> we should be able to roll back if a update messed things up
[00:50] <ausxxh> just the system stuff, not user data,
[00:51] <mae_tae> i want to install SVN but no idea, is there any web equivalent for that? do you know some good website where I can start on
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, You can if you know what your doing, there are no hand holding apps, that's the point.
[00:52] <tking0036> what does the g mean in sed
[00:53] <gram-negative> Is there a way to make a customized boot-usb for ubuntu? As in I boot off of it and all of my settings are already there?
[00:53] <itaylor57> g = global
[00:54] <itaylor57> i.e. do the substitution on all occurances
[00:55] <tking0036> how could I apply that to a script
[00:56] <tking0036> like to a string
[00:58] <Thalheim> you mean, run it on a physical script or make it into a script?
[00:58] <linuxuz3r> i cant seem to wake up from hibernate and suspend can someone help
[00:59] <Thalheim> linuxuz3r, is this a laptop?
[00:59] <linuxuz3r> desktop 12.04.3 with updates
[00:59] <linuxuz3r> nvidia graphics card
[00:59] <linuxuz3r> they said that its due to nvidia gfx card but i installed the drivers already and still cant wake up
[01:00] <Thalheim> who said?
[01:00] <linuxuz3r> forums
[01:00] <tking0036> you guys saved the day!
[01:02] <linuxuz3r> thalheim c an you help
[01:07] <pfifo> Hi everyone
[01:07] <OerHeks> hi pfifo
[01:08] <pfifo> Im on 13.10, using default apps, including firefox. Dont want to switch to chromium yet. But firefox keeps asking me to install flash. I have chosen to boycott flash and want this message to go away. How can I get rid of it?
[01:09] <noagor> 2
[01:14] <OerHeks> pfifo maybe flashblock is what you want >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/344312/how-to-prevent-the-flash-is-required-popup-from-showing-in-firefox-and-chrome
[01:15] <OerHeks> and try html5 on the youtube page, awesome
[01:17] <qingluo> hi all, i have a question about shutdown command. why shutdown button in graphic mode, while using sudo shutdown in terminal will need user passwd. how it be?
[01:17] <pfifo> Exactly, why flash when you can simply html.... join the movement
[01:18] <OerHeks> qingluo, "sudo" requires your password
[01:18] <xangua> pfifo: not all youtube videos are aviable in html5 player, neither all video sites
[01:18] <pfifo> qingluo: can you 'shutdown' without sudo?
[01:19] <qingluo> OerHeks: but why graphic mode shutdown button didnt require my passwd? normal user can run shutdown while any notice?
[01:19] <pfifo> xangua: actually 99% of my flash player usage was for viewing advertisements :)
[01:21] <OerHeks> qingluo, good question; i think that the gui has this solution build-in, but not accessible from comandline > http://askubuntu.com/questions/168879/shutdown-from-terminal-without-entering-password
[01:22] <qingluo> OerHeks: thanks you, i'll search it further
[01:28] <groundnuty_m> hey, what command can I use to get as much details about my wifi usb antena?
[01:28] <groundnuty_m> antena/adapter
[01:29] <tvillerealest> hey, how can i get skype on ubuntu?
[01:30] <xangua> tvillerealest: you can download it from the software center or go to skype.com
[01:30] <Thalheim> groundnuty_m, you can try "lshw -C network"
[01:31] <tvillerealest> xangua: i tried that and it only offered a 32-bit but i need a 64-bit
[01:33] <skraito> ubuntu win again redhat guys?
[01:33] <xangua> !ot | skraito
[01:35] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: you need the multiarch
[01:38] <Richhh> using wubi installer, stuck on 2/5 dots "Preparing to run ubuntu for the first time..." for ~1 hour now, fans are noisy so its hard to differentiate any hdd sounds, don't think there's a hdd light to check either, doesn't respond to ctrl+alt f1...f4 or s or enter, rebooted, following http://askubuntu.com/questions/127358/ubuntu-freezes-running-the-first-time   did step 1, except ctrl+x didnt do anything
[01:39] <Wheez> Ubuntu dropped Wubi after 12.04 because it had so many problems
[01:39] <Richhh> shall i just switch the PC off to reboot then continue to step 2?
[01:39] <cfhowlett> Richhh, wubi is for testing ubuntu, not for long term installation.  If you're only testing, you might find it easier to do so in Virtualbox.
[01:39] <Wheez> Or a bootable disk or USB drive
[01:40] <Richhh> bootable DVD was not detected for some reason
[01:40] <Richhh> bootable USB not supported by bios apparently
[01:40] <Richhh> id like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu
[01:40] <cfhowlett> !dualboot|Richhh, dual boot then.
[01:40] <qasfdgafh> query %s
[01:40] <groundnuty_m> Thalheim: not much info there
[01:41] <Wheez> There is a difference between dual boot and wubi Richhh
[01:41] <Richhh> ok
[01:41] <cfhowlett> Richhh, I take it this is an older machine?  it'll probably enjoy lubuntu or xubuntu more.  both are optimized for older/lower spec devices
[01:42] <Thalheim> by the way, lubuntu core is REALLY fast to boot.
[01:42] <Thalheim> i have it running on some servers for that reason
[01:42] <weasel00> suacy upgrade hosed my mediawiki apache conf file. any pointers on the correct settings? tried google to no avail :/
[01:42] <cfhowlett> Thalheim, I see your lubuntu and raise you that xubuntu is the foundation of Ubuntustudio ...
[01:43] <FesterJester> I am trying to take the output from shred and use it in YAD or Zenity
[01:43] <Thalheim> i'm calling your bluff*
[01:43] <cfhowlett> :)
[01:43] <Thalheim> no. joking
[01:43] <Thalheim> fold
[01:43] <cfhowlett> Thalheim, we both win!
[01:43] <Richhh> yeah cfhowlett
[01:44] <FesterJester> anyone familiar with zenity or yad?
[01:45] <cfhowlett> FesterJester, never heard of them on this channel.  If they're apps you might find more support on their specific sites.
[01:47] <Richhh> so now i know not to use wubi do i need to uninstall whatever it has installed?
[01:49] <cfhowlett> Richhh, I'm thinking it hung.  if you can still boot OK, don't bother.
[01:49] <jery> hi
[01:51] <time1> hello everyone
[01:52] <time1> i want that every .exe file should open with wine windows program loader, but it is opening with q4wine
[01:52] <time1> i installed wine to install office
[01:52] <time1> now what to do
[01:53] <xangua> time1: right clic, properties, open with
[01:53] <time1> yes, i know that but how to set it as a default
[01:54] <time1> there should be a check box to set a application as default in ubuntu, like windows
[01:55] <time1> this is just a pain for user to right click every time to do that
[01:55] <leonid> time1: right click, properties, open with, choose app, set as default
[01:55] <xangua> time1: 'set as default program' is right there time1
[01:55] <xangua> lol
[01:56] <time1> No, It is not there, let me show you the imagebin
[02:01] <time1> http://imagebin.org/274584
[02:01] <time1> xangua: ^^
[02:02] <jack01111> anyone here in umass that might be able to help me with my ubuntu install?
[02:04] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, state the issue to the channel, if someone knows they will probably answer.
[02:04] <master> wow
[02:05] <time1> i want to change my default file manager to nemo, because nautilus stopped responding many times, even on small directories, but nemo looks are not pleasent here, how to solve that http://imagebin.org/274586
[02:05] <moderx> why cant I send
[02:05] <time1> xangua:  http://imagebin.org/274586 leonid
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> moderx, send what? give some details and context.
[02:06] <time1> xangua: sorry, http://imagebin.org/274584
[02:06] <Devin_Squirrel> Devin_Squirrel
[02:06] <moderx> mode
[02:07] <Devin_Squirrel> so hows everyone
[02:07] <moderx> MODE
[02:07] <moderx> good you devin>
[02:07] <Devin_Squirrel> echo
[02:07] <Devin_Squirrel> pretty good
[02:07] <moderx> ok for some reason I wants allowed to speak in chat odd
[02:08] <moderx> glad its working now
[02:08] <moderx> I was getting "Cannot send to channel"
[02:08] <moderx> weird eh?
[02:09] <moderx> well I goot to know its working
[02:09] <moderx> err good
[02:11] <jack01111> anyone here in umass that might be able to help me with my ubuntu install? after grub is only black screen it's my first time installing an os. 0 computer knowledge, if anyone is in umass please help me
[02:11] <hitsujiTMO> jack01111: try adding the kernel param: nomodeset
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, This the at the reboot after the install?
[02:12] <jack01111> after the installation, i see ubuntu ubuntu13.10 system setup
[02:12] <jack01111> then any options just give me black screen except ssytem setup jumps me back to efi
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | jack01111 try this
[02:13] <jack01111> ok i will try it thanks
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, If that gets you to the desktop run a update and check the additional drivers app for ant graphic drivers offered.
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> any*
[02:15] <jack01111> im on usb wifi...cant even connect to the net..
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, The usb wifi did not work in the live environment?
[02:16] <moderx> you might need to be wired to get thet wireless driver
[02:16] <jack01111> sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt, after installation there was a single instance the gui pops out , but no wifi and then black screen
[02:16] <moderx> weird
[02:17] <moderx> are you using a recent version of ubuntu?
[02:17] <jack01111> 13.10
[02:17] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, No Ethernet cable?
[02:17] <jack01111> i brought a very high end pc and im still with no OS for 2 weeks
[02:17] <jack01111> no ethernet, in school dorm
[02:17] <moderx> and all you get is a black screen?
[02:18] <moderx> do you get the splash
[02:18] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, Did the computer come with an OS, and does it get wifi?
[02:18] <moderx> like the ubuntu boot up?
[02:18] <jack01111> no the computer does not come with an OS, it gets wifi on the live cd but not all the times, sometimes the drivers work on live sometimes it doesn't
[02:19] <jack01111> im using alfa wireless usb
[02:20] <moderx> blah
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, If you can get to the desktop and open a terminal run lsusb and identify the usb wifi exactly. There are many that plug and work, you might consider getting one they are cheap.
[02:21] <jack01111> those commands you tell me im really noob at it, havent even install a windows os before :(
[02:21] <jack01111> i was hoping someone in UMASS might be able to help me. willing to pay...
[02:21] <jack01111> my local repair shop doesn't want to make the trip down to install
[02:21] <hitsujiTMO> can you copy the line that identifies your wireless?
[02:21] <moderx> its cool jack01111. we all need to start somewhere! :)
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, this is a world wide channel, not umass
[02:21] <moderx> just dong give up! :)
[02:22] <moderx> don't* lol typo
[02:22] <jack01111> ok..
[02:23] <moderx> Linux is a beautiful thing once you learn it.. turn hours of work into minutes
[02:24] <moderx> wilee-nilee has a good idea going
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, You can get a usb wifi from amazon that will identify working on linux by just plugging it in, and or a local store near you. YOu can just run the command I gave you from a terminal and identify the usb exactly not just the name, that does not really work, hardware has specifics.
[02:24] <wylde> jack01111, you could see if there's a local LUG
[02:24] <moderx> I got one for 11 dollard
[02:24] <moderx> dollars*
[02:24] <moderx> you can get cheaper
[02:25] <moderx> but mine works fine
[02:25] <jack01111> ok
[02:25] <moderx> is there a reason that you cant get wired?
[02:25] <moderx> or borrow a cable from a friend?
[02:25] <moderx> casue Ubuntu supports stuff pretty well
[02:25] <moderx> just yo have to be connected to the internet for the driver
[02:26] <moderx> which believe me.... Winbloz can be a nightmare for drivers...
[02:27] <moderx> .
[02:28] <user456> does anyone know how to get the trackpad work in 13.10 on an acer c720 chromebook?
[02:30] <Saint_> #ubuntu-de
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, here is an example of someone asking about a alpha us wifi, notice the header and the model info, the lsusb command will tell you that about yours. http://askubuntu.com/questions/178009/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-alfa-awus036h-usb-wireless-adapter
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> usb*
[02:31] <jack01111> ok im still reading on the nomoodset part lol
[02:31] <hitsujiTMO> user456: what version of ubuntu?
[02:32] <jack01111> how do i enter nomodeset for ubuntu 13.10
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, Cool we all started somewhere in this trying to figure stuff out. ;)
[02:34] <Guest98919> Hello
[02:34] <Guest98919> Can someone help me?
[02:34] <moderx> I remember my first month ... it was rough... but now boss biges me tons of work and Linux makes the job easier... a LOT easier... boss doesnt none the wiser
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | Guest98919
[02:34] <moderx> boss gives*
[02:34] <moderx> sorry
[02:35] <Guest98919> I am using Lubuntu and my Menu won't work properly. It only shows me the 'Run' and 'Logout'-Button, but not the Application, Settings etc.
[02:36] <jack01111> how do i enter nomodeset for ubuntu 13.10?
[02:36] <Ben64> !nomodeset | jack01111
[02:36] <jack01111> @Ben64 i don't see that try ubuntu screen
[02:36] <Ben64> Guest98919: can you post a screenshot
[02:37] <Ben64> jack01111: did you already install
[02:37] <Guest98919> Ben64: No, because i can't run much Applications
[02:37] <Guest98919> Firefox is on my Desktop, this Way i could enter a Webchat
[02:37] <Ben64> Guest98919: "print screen" key should still take a screenshot, and you can post it using firefox
[02:37] <Guest98919> If i try to access the Applications via PCManFM it just loads and loads...
[02:38] <furoido> hav eyou ever experienced Chrome not having titles in the tab?
[02:38] <Guest98919> Doesnt work somehow
[02:38] <jack01111> yes Ben64 already installewd
[02:39] <Ben64> jack01111: then read further down, where it says to hit shift to get to the grub menu
[02:39] <crack> quick question, is there any tool on backtrack that will let me reset an admin password on a machine in the same network i'm on???
[02:39] <jorian>  /set window_default_level MSGS PUBLICS NOTICES CTCPS ACTIONS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTCRAP
[02:39] <Ben64> crack: backtrack is not supported here
[02:40] <jorian> well that didn't work :p
[02:40] <crack> is this ubuntu only
[02:40] <hitsujiTMO> furoido: not experienced, but heard it is a bug for some peeps
[02:40] <crack> how can i switch to a back track irc???
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> crack, yes and backtrack is eol.
[02:40] <crack> its eol??
[02:40] <crack> end of line
[02:41] <crack> life
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> yes
[02:41] <crack> wilee can can i use then??
[02:41] <jorian> crack: I believe it was replaced by Kali linux
[02:41] <crack> some dumb A$$ changed an admin password on me.
[02:41] <Ben64> !backtrack | crack
[02:41] <crack> anyone have any ideas?
[02:41] <crack> quick question, is there any tool on backtrack that will let me reset an admin password on a machine in the same network i'm on???
[02:41] <hitsujiTMO> crack try #backtrack maybe
[02:42] <crack> #backtrack
[02:42] <crack> where do I put that?
[02:42] <hitsujiTMO> /join #backtrack
[02:42] <Ben64> /join #kali-linux
[02:42] <moderx> .
[02:42] <jorian> crack: honestly if you're looking to remotely change an admin password
[02:42] <jorian> crack: it might be fairly non trivial
[02:42] <niftylettuce>  can anyone help with this Desktop Capture API issue on Ubuntu?  It's not displaying the window picker... https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=310329
[02:42] <crack> ya i know i've been trying
[02:43] <crack> i can do it all day in front of a machine.. that's easy
[02:43] <crack> more like a dictionary or brute force attack
[02:43] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | crack
[02:43] <crack> how to i change to another irc??
[02:43] <Ben64> crack: its offtopic here, please take it to the appropriate channel
[02:43] <hitsujiTMO> /join #backtrack
[02:46] <BradTN> hey guys
[02:47] <BradTN> can anyone please help me with my ubuntu box :(
[02:47] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | BradTN
[02:47] <BradTN> having a software raid issue and i dont even know where to begin to be honest
[02:48] <hitsujiTMO> !details | BradTN
[02:48] <BradTN> ah ok im sorry
[02:48] <BradTN> I am running 12.04 ubuntu I had a software raid 5 of 6 drives
[02:49] <BradTN> Out of nowhere suppoesdly 2 of my drives failed?
[02:49] <BradTN> I rebooted the system and i randomly couldnt get back into ubuntu...
[02:49] <BradTN> I finally sorta solved that and i am back in the os
[02:49] <Thalheim> BradTN, check the power or data cable to them. yesterday my sata cable on a raid array somehow stopped working, and it reported a failed disk
[02:49] <BradTN> but my raid isnt running or mounting? i have no idea what to do or what to look at
[02:49] <BradTN> i am a ubuntu noob 100%
[02:50] <BradTN> I am wondering if someone would PLEASE teamview in my box
[02:50] <BradTN> and take a look?
[02:50] <Thalheim> BradTN, pm me
[02:50] <BradTN> im freaking out
[02:50] <BradTN> lol
[02:51] <time1> i want to integrate pidgin to kde, taskbar
[02:51] <time1> how to do that
[02:51] <time1> anyone
[02:52] <xangua> time1: enable notification icon in pidgin preferences
[02:54] <time1> xangua: thanks a lot
[02:54] <kyle__> I'm having graphics problems with my ubuntu box since upgrading to 13.10.  It's got a Gforce 8400, using the neuvo driver
[02:54] <kyle__> It seems to lock up on _something_ repeiter host does when rendering the preview of what path the print head will take
[02:55] <jorian> Before going down the rabbit hole, I was wondering if anyone has had any success using containers to run X11 apps in Ubuntu?
[02:56] <kyle__> jorian: which type?  I haven't tried, but it's an interesting idea.
[02:56] <jorian> kyle__: Well, I haven't done much research yet.  But I was thinking it would be nice to run firefox in an LXC
[02:57] <kyle__> jorian: Out of curisoity, why firefox, or why just firefox?
[02:57] <jorian> kyle__: Partly for securirty and partly just to see if I could do it.
[02:57]  * kyle__ is porting over some openvz containers to lxc right now
[02:57] <kyle__> Cool.
[02:58] <jorian> kyle__: I don't know very much about them yet.  I just found out about them the other day, and I have been getting a little bit excited about them.
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> I like FF in ram, http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/keep-your-browser-profiles-in-tmpfs-ram.html
[02:59] <kyle__> Anyone?  X segfaulting on 13.04 with nouveau driver?
[02:59] <kyle__> s/13.04/13.10/
[03:01] <Stronghold> For so many people, this channel has all the excitement of a sleepy sloth
[03:01] <matu> holaa
[03:02] <crocket> I installed 13.10, and ibus is not displayed in the unity panel.
[03:02] <matu> alguna chika?
[03:02] <crocket> It used to be there in 13.04
[03:02] <crocket> What happened?
[03:02] <CrazyZurfer> just updated to 13.10 from 13.04 and now I can't log in.. i mean.. the screen keeps in black after login in. During update, had issues, so I did ppa-purge xorg-"Something" and that fixed the problem, what could it be?
[03:03] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: What video card?  Mostly out of curiosity, more than being able to help.
[03:03] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: Nvidia geforce 650M
[03:04] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: did you have ssh enabled?  Have another system you can ssh in with to see what's going on in the logs?
[03:05] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I can enter to the console by control + alt + f1
[03:06] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: Can you log in using a different wm/de?
[03:07] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I don't understand what you say.. I can see logs.. tell me where it is and i'll show it to you
[03:07] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: First check /var/log/Xorg.log.0, since X is still running.  See if it crashed or if it thinks X is fine.
[03:10] <crocket> oh my
[03:10] <crocket> ubuntu is replacing ibus with its own input methods.
[03:12] <kyle__> OK.  So, if I shut down my system, go away for the night, come back, it works until something in repeiter host renders, then I get odd graphics corruption and nothing can get GUI back.    I can repeat with a clean looking boot tomorrow.
[03:13] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6292722/
[03:13] <kyle__> It didnt' happen before I upgraded to 13.10, so is that conincidence, and the card is dying, or a driver bug and the card is fine?
[03:13] <roxx_> hi
[03:14] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: X is fine.  Or at least it thinks it's fine.  Do you know how to choose a different DE from the login screen?
[03:14] <roxx_> Have a question/problem with umask
[03:14] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: nope
[03:14] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: I'm going to guess that it's something running on login (remenant from pre-upgrade), that isn't working.
[03:15] <kyle__> Hum.  Ok. This is from memory (my ubuntu box is hosed), so give me some leway....
[03:15] <zerodivided> So TF2 runs pretty bad in 13.10. I'm running an HD 5870. Any idea whats up?
[03:16] <kyle__> When you reboot, don't log in right away.  Click the little ubuntu icon next to your name, and you should see a drop down.  Click on it, and choose gnome for failsafe.  Then continue to log in.
[03:16] <time1> helllo everyone, i am using dolphin right now, it is much better than nautilus file browser
[03:16] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I don't see that option :S
[03:16] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:16] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: Is there an "other" option?
[03:16] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I don't see that ubuntu icon
[03:16] <time1> i want to know one thing, the files with big file names are appearing as it as
[03:17] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: nope, I see just the input password, but nothing else.. Down there I can see that it says, "invited Session"
[03:17] <time1> in nautilus, it usually display some few characters of file name, followed by ....
[03:17] <time1> how to do that in dolphin
[03:18] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: Damn.  They changed it again.
[03:19] <time1> is there any skype plugin for pidgin
[03:20] <time1> voice and video calls
[03:20] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:21] <BradTN> can anyone else help consult on my raid box with thalheim??
[03:22] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: From the command line, try to sudo apt-get install lxde.  It's a very lightweight desktop envrionment.  Maybe if it's installed as well, it will show you the option from the login screen?
[03:24] <crocket> oh man
[03:27] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:29] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:29] <klync> roxx_: just got done reading it the first time, thanks....
[03:30] <roxx_> hi!
[03:30] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: it was the bumblebee. i reinstaled it and it worked
[03:31] <fahadash> Hi
[03:31] <roxx_> is kyle still here?
[03:32] <fahadash> I installed ubuntu on a vm, I don't see any "wobbly" effect when I move a window around... How do I enable it ?
[03:32] <kyle__> bumblebee?
[03:32] <fahadash> Actually I don't see any of the good ux stuff that I see on those youtube videos
[03:32] <kyle__> The 80's cartoon version, or the CGI camera from the (crappy) new movies?
[03:33] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:33] <kyle__> fahadash: compiz settings manager, probably.  You can find it in apt.
[03:33] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: ran dpkg to see the installed and uninstalled software, and saw that bumblebee was uninstalled, installed it again and worked
[03:33] <sgp667> fahadash
[03:33] <Omen_20> Does anyone know of any issues with the Startup Disk Creator? I can't get 13.10 to boot on my pendrive.
[03:33] <Thalheim> roxx_, please stop repeating yourself
[03:33] <fahadash> roxx_: umask
[03:33] <kyle__> roxx_: Stop repeating your question, please.  You're having umask problems.  A google search will probably help.
[03:33] <fahadash> sgp667 ?
[03:34] <fahadash> kyle__: Thats a little cryptic for me
[03:34] <sgp667> I am using Zorin and it came with CompizConfig  Settings Manager  it has settign for teh wobbly windows
[03:34] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: awesome.
[03:34] <sgp667> but idk if it applies to your distro
[03:34] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: yeah, don't know why anyway but works haha, thanks for your help ;)
[03:34] <fahadash> kyle__: sudo apt-get install compiz setting manager doesnt give anything
[03:35] <kyle__> fahadash: compiz settings manager is a program to let you turn on and off compiz "stuff".  Unity hides most of the stuff from you, so you can't turn it on or off by deafult.
[03:35] <kyle__> fahadash: apt-cache search compiz|grep settings
[03:35] <kyle__> fahadash: apt-cache search compiz|grep setting
[03:35] <kyle__> rather.
[03:35] <sgp667> to be hones it cam with distro what about compizconfig?
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, sudo apt-get compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:36] <sgp667> that worked for me
[03:36] <sgp667> i'm not sure is the setting manager will be included though
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, Be very careful messing with compiz and look up the reset, sometimes it needs a logout or reboot when tweaked
[03:38] <vertago1> Anyone here use xpra?
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> !anyone
[03:39] <kyle__> Does any here use !anyone?
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> does anyone ever read the bot posts? ;)
[03:39] <vertago1> My next question is if whoever uses xpra and ubuntu 13.10 was having the server seg fault every time?
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> can anyone here read
[03:40] <sam113101> I can read
[03:41] <kyle__> I never learned how to read
[03:41] <kyle__> </oscar moment>
[03:44] <vertago1> !anyone know how to force apport to watch a pid?
[03:48] <fahadash> I am trying to set up win7 theme installation through a web article, I follow the steps and get "Please use the Gnome classic desktop for the Win7 theme installation."
[03:49] <mae_tae> Dougie187: are you still there?
[03:49] <Crazyzurfer> anybody here has Nvidia video card?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> Crazyzurfer:  lots of people use nvidia
[03:49] <Crazyzurfer> Dr_Willis: do you?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> !anyone
[03:50] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, Some of those can't be removed I would be careful, you may mess the whole thing up and have to reinstall.
[03:50] <kingbeowolf> is this Gnome or Xfce? http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Orta?content=134123
[03:50] <roxx_> Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx.   Replaced the nevoau/gallium driver for my old nvidia with nvidia-current, and now repeiter-host doesn't crash x.  Woot!
[03:51] <kingbeowolf> roxx_: xubuntu 13.10 actually has a few bugs
[03:51] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: I have ubuntu installed on vm and disk-file is backed up. I use that vm to test add-ons before I install on real box
[03:51] <kingbeowolf> roxx_: not really worth upgrading
[03:51] <xangua> kingbeowolf: it's a gtk2 theme
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys im using ubuntu 12.04, i see it says gpg  has a new version 2.0.22 is released but when i use gpg mine is completely outdated like version 1.4.11but im using the default Xubuntu/Ubuntu install, what can i do to update GPG or should I not worry?
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, Cool, good idea.
[03:52] <kingbeowolf> xangua: yeah what about the icons and everything
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  'it says gpg has a new version' -- what is 'it' ?
[03:52] <kingbeowolf> xangua: and the universal menu
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, I think that was a gnome 2 mod though
[03:52] <kyle__> Psil0Cybin: I don't know of any security bugs, so if you dont' need a feature from the newer version... I woulnd't worry about it.
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> !latest
[03:53] <kyle__> Do your own search of known seucrity holes of coures.
[03:53] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: I am running 12.0 LTS, what does it mean by "Please use the Gnome classic desktop for the Win7 theme installation." ?
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> !classic
[03:53] <Crazyzurfer> anybody with nvidia card.. In "details" -> Graphics, what does it show to you?
[03:55] <forgpt> Hello
[03:55] <Crazyzurfer> is it normal to have Controller: Intel Ivybridge Mobile and decoration Standart while I've got and Intel HD 4000 and an Nvidia Geforce 650M?
[03:55] <Ben64> Crazyzurfer: what is your actual question
[03:55] <Crazyzurfer> Ben64: that's my question
[03:55] <kyle__> Crazyzurfer: Driver Geforce 8400 (something something)\n Experience standard
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> Dr_Willis: the new version is number " October 2013: new security fix released in 2.0.22 and 1.4.15 to mitigate deeply nested compression packets "
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> within the Gpg channel
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> kyle__:
[03:56] <Crazyzurfer> kyle__: do you have dual cards?
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> Crazyzurfer:  you mean to say you have an Optmius dual video chipset system>
[03:56] <Crazyzurfer> Dr_Willis: yes I do
[03:56] <fahadash> I don't see any session box at the bottom of my screen at login
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  often  security fixs get backported to older versions. and may eventually get into the ubuntu rele4ase
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> !bumblebee | Crazyzurfer
[03:57] <fahadash> I see "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu 2D"
[03:57] <kyle__> Crazyzurfer: I've got a single dual head card.  I may get one of those chincey 1x->16x cables and use a second dual head card, if I get bored :)
[03:57] <fahadash> !ubuntu2d
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> hmm no bumblebee factoid
[03:57] <FreezingCold> So going to reinstall a Ubuntu installation, is everything really just in ~/home?
[03:57] <Crazyzurfer> Dr_Willis: I've got bumblebee installed, but it seems that the nvidia card is still not recognized
[03:57] <FreezingCold> It's not my computer, it's the one I gave my parents awhile back
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> so Dr_Willis if you use GPG do you leave it as is? o did you update it or something
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> i am just confused
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  you install theextra desktop packages and you get differnt sessions
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> cuz the people @ #gnupg tell me mine is out dated
[03:58] <forgpt> I just installed 13.10 for the 8th time and this is happening with the toolbar http://imgur.com/qA7METi. Why is it doing that?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  i tend to alwyas use the latest ubuntu release
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> oh
[03:58] <Crazyzurfer> kyle__: cool
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> forgpt:  reinstalling to fix little problems  is a windows mentality. ;)
[03:59] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Is there any easy way to install extra desktop packages ?
[03:59] <kyle__> Psil0Cybin: Are the people in #gnupg telling you it's insecure?  If they are, then worry about it, if not, just know some of the latest greatest tutorials won't match up with your version.
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> forgpt, Identify the graphic card
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> forgpt, run lspci and share the card with the channel
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  everything in the softare center is 'extra'   theres numerus packages that add more desktops to your system. the bot factoid mention what ones are for the classic look. I dont use the gnome classic stuff
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> forgpt:  its not clear from that screenshot what the issue is.. and Uuntu can take desktop screenshots with the printscreen key
[04:01] <forgpt> wilee-nilee, the drivers are installed and it doesn't happen with any of the previous installs
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> kyle__: so that it i can rest assured from security updates
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> i am worried that i can have security flaws
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> i dont care about new features
[04:03] <Bauer1> How do I install the lib32asound2 under 13.10? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lib32asound2&searchon=names
[04:03] <Ben64> Psil0Cybin: it might take some time, but there should be a security patch for it then
[04:03] <fahadash> Thanks Dr_Willis
[04:03] <Psil0Cybin> alright Ben64 thanks guys for making me rest assured.
[04:05] <Patero-ng> hi I want to know if ubuntu detected my card how to know and also how to know what drivers are loaded for it
[04:05] <mrdeb> Patero-ng: lsmod in terminal
[04:06] <Ben64> Patero-ng: what card
[04:08] <Patero-ng> Ben64: is a wag511 wireless card
[04:08] <Patero-ng> mrdeb: just type lsmod?
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> and hit the enter key.... ;)
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> of course it could be a long list of modules that the sstem is using ;)
[04:13] <Patero-ng> I want to eject my pccard i want to know if it's safe to just remove it or do I have to type come eject command
[04:13] <Patero-ng> I'm on ubuntu server
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  pc card? you mean you have a PCMCIA card  with storage on it?
[04:16] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: is a pcmcia card that's a wireless network card netgear wag511
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> those should be hot-plugable as far as i rember.
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> not seen one in well.. ages  ;)
[04:16] <wayne__> how do you copy dvds or blu rays with ubuntu
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> wayne__:  clarify what you mean by copy. and what kind of disk? data? video?
[04:17] <fahadash> I got a 404 when tried to install gnome from software manager
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> comercial video disks? ones you made?
[04:17] <fahadash> Here is the error: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/accountsservice/gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0_0.6.15-2ubuntu9.6_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[04:17] <wayne__> Like back ups.
[04:17] <wayne__> of what I own
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> you mean 'comercial video disks'
[04:18] <wbill> wowsers
[04:18] <wayne__> yeah I think
[04:18] <wayne__> Like a anydvd or ubuntu
[04:18] <wayne__> of not or
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> theres dvd riper tools in the repos
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> i tend to just rip to video files
[04:18] <wayne__> acid or something ?
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> used to use k9copy but its not in the repos any mpore
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> !info acidrip
[04:19] <wayne__> does it work
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> I use acidrip to rip dvd videos to video files.....
[04:19] <wayne__> like to mp4 or mkv
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use mp4
[04:19] <wayne__> okay thanks!
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> handbreak can also do dvd->video files
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> some of the newer dvd anti-copy features can break those tools sadly.
[04:21] <wayne__> Have you seen www.slysoft.com anydvd is great I want something like that
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> no idea what its features are.. try it in wine if you want.
[04:22] <wayne__> doesnt work done tried
[04:23] <ObrienDave> It probably would work through a VM like VirtialBox
[04:24] <ObrienDave> VirtualBox*
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> theres plenty of alternatives ;) so i dont see why it so special heh.
[04:24] <UserError> what compiler flags / optimization targets are used for Ubuntu's binaries ?
[04:25] <ObrienDave> Dr_Willis... user preferences? ;)
[04:26] <lachesis> something changed in my updates on 3.04, and now my radeon doesn't give sound over hdmi anymore
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> i just wish handbreak had a 'enque all using these settings..' that would save me a few min on each disk ;)
[04:26] <lachesis> i just updated to 13.10, and then mainline linux 3.11.6-031106-generic in the hopes that would help
[04:27] <lachesis> and i have the radeon.audio=1 in my grub - it's showing up in my dmesg
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[04:31] <nixnine> hello
[04:32] <nixnine> Am I connected?
[04:32] <lachesis> nixnine, yeppers
[04:32] <reisio> nixnine: nope, this is my local internet :)
[04:33] <nixnine> cool.  anyone know how to remove an infected file found in chkrootkit?
[04:35] <time1> hello everybody, i am using dolphin file viewer and it is great, how to show file names in short, and how to add send to> Pendrive> right click shortcut to its right click menu
[04:36] <time1> nautilus is slow, buggy and many times not responding on small directories,
[04:36] <time1> we couldn't remove as well
[04:36] <time1> it will uninstall whole ubuntu deskto
[04:36] <time1> hellllllllllo
[04:36] <time1> just ping me, anyone
[04:43] <Patero-ng> When I try to reconnect my wireless card the message that shows is failed to wakeup the mac chip what is going on?
[04:44] <Patero-ng> I think is using ath5k drivers
[04:46] <Patero-ng> I'm using modprobe -r ath5k to remove driver or disable the card and modeprobe ath5k to reenable it am i doing the right thing?
[04:48] <Patero-ng> I'm also unplugging and replugging the card
[04:51] <ObrienDave> nixnine, good question because I also get::: Searching for Suckit rootkit...                             Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED
[04:53] <reisio> ObrienDave: according to what?
[04:53] <ObrienDave> chkrootkit
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> its a false positive there is info on the web
[04:53] <reisio> ObrienDave: those sorts of things always give false posities
[04:53] <reisio> ALWAYS
[04:53] <reisio> and even if they didn't you can't be sure
[04:54] <reisio> the only way to be sure is to checksum the files when you install
[04:54] <reisio> and diff later
[04:54] <reisio> look into AIDE
[04:54] <ObrienDave> ok, will check it that. thanks
[04:54] <ObrienDave> *into
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> gotta love weird false positives
[04:56] <reisio> I've never seen a rootkit finder script not generate MULTIPLE false positives
[04:56] <reisio> it's too little too late, and it would be even if they gave no false positives
[04:57] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can i trust the program KeePX that is in the ubuntu repos
[04:57] <ObrienDave> trying to tell me i'm being falsely positive? ;))
[04:57] <Psil0Cybin> that is a password storage program
[04:59] <reisio> ObrienDave: heh
[04:59] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: you can probably trust it to do what what it says it does
[05:00] <Psil0Cybin> reisio: so assume it doesnt have backholes or backdoors?
[05:01] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: if it were known to have such things, it wouldn't be in any distro repos
[05:03] <Psil0Cybin> lol yea thanks guess i asked a silly question
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> tatoo your passwords onto the roof of your dogs mouth..
[05:05] <JoeyJoeJo> How can I change my apt-get mirror from the command line? I know I can manually edit sources.list, but I was hoping for a program that lists the current mirrors for me to choose from
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> protected by pomerian 1.0
[05:05] <UserError> Dr_Willis not much writing room
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> JoeyJoeJo:  there  used to be mirror-select. but im not sure if thats in ubuntu any more
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> UserError:  i use the same password formost sites. ;P
[05:06] <UserError> JoeyJoeJo , the mirrors trick picks the fastest
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> UserError:  i tried training the dog to type them in.. but he keeps going to  lolcats
[05:06] <UserError> Should've bought a border collie
[05:06] <ObrienDave> LOL I've used 2 "high level" passwords for almost 30 years. haven't been compromised yet.
[05:07] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: it's a fair question if the awesomeness of free unix package management hasn't sunk in yet :)
[05:08] <ObrienDave> Psil0Cybin... that's the beauty, ALL open source code is just that, OPEN to inspection
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> cool. Just found a tool in the repos - that can auto add boot-this-iso entries to your grub menu for whatever iso files you got in a specific system directory. ;)
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> !info grml-rescueboot
[05:09] <reisio> grml is a nice distro
[05:09] <Psil0Cybin> that is very true ObrienDave
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive evern heard of grml . well time to test out the tool. bbl
[05:10] <UserError> Does anyone know the default compiler flags, optimization level and target that ubuntu uses for their 32 and 64 bit repos?
[05:12] <grimeton> i'd say -funroll-loops and --omg-optimized
[05:14] <supergauntlet> http://funroll-loops.info/
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> supergauntlet: this is an ubuntu support channel
[05:15] <UserError> Yeh that's hilarious... until you're on an AMD or ARM machine
[05:15] <supergauntlet> lotuspsychje: grimeton> i'd say -funroll-loops and --omg-optimized
[05:15] <grimeton> --fuck-upstream is default on debian anyway
[05:15] <UserError> I'm asking because on many platforms the difference is 20+%
[05:15] <IdleOne> !language | grimeton
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> supergauntlet: my bad sorry
[05:15] <supergauntlet> I just figured I'd point out what he was referencing
[05:15] <supergauntlet> lotuspsychje: no biggie
[05:16] <supergauntlet> UserError: this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/CompilerFlags
[05:17] <grimeton> hm great, upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 on my mac mini produces a kernel panic on the first boot
[05:17] <reisio> nice
[05:18] <grimeton> na, nice is different
[05:19] <grimeton> and rebooting doesn't look good either
[05:20] <reisio> what's it say?
[05:20] <grimeton> it just hangs
[05:20] <reisio> usually there is useful information before it says 'kernel panic'
[05:20] <supergauntlet> surely it gives some sort of error message/
[05:21] <grimeton> "... on the first boot ...."
[05:21] <grimeton> the 2nd boot worked
[05:22] <UserError> is there a dev channel
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> !dev | UserError
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> UserError: #ubuntu-devel
[05:23] <supergauntlet> Isn't it just #ubuntu-devel?
[05:23] <reisio> UserError: /msg alis list *ubuntu*
[05:23] <UserError> thank you
[05:26] <Bauer> How do I install the lib32asound2 under 13.10? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lib32asound2&searchon=names
[05:26] <reisio> Bauer: do you really need sound for teamviewer?
[05:27] <Bauer> reisio: no, but I cant install the .deb file
[05:28] <reisio> Bauer: then use the .tar
[05:28] <reisio> I told you multiple times
[05:29] <Bauer> reisio: sorry, I didnt see any answers about this until now
[05:30] <Bauer> do you mean alsa-lib_1.0.25-4ubuntu3.debian.tar.bz2 ?
[05:31] <reisio> no, I mean teamviewer offers more than just a .deb on their site
[05:31] <reisio> they have among other things a tarball
[05:33] <grimeton> the self destructing cookie thing is pretty sweet
[05:34] <reisio> grimeton: ?
[05:34] <grimeton> reisio: it's a firefox add-on - it destroys all cookies the moment you close the tab
[05:34] <roscogruen> kckcpw
[05:34] <roscogruen> oops
[05:35] <roscogruen> tomorrow i'll be helping a guy install some sort of linux.  i was thinking mint or ubuntu.  anyone give me plusses or minuses?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu | roscogruen
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: we reccomend you ubuntu, one of the version sin topic
[05:36] <grimeton> everytime a question like this comes up i'm tempted to suggest buying an snes
[05:37] <tjj> I'm having trouble with telnetting to a nonstandard port. I think iptables is blocking me somehow. "telnet freechess.org 23" works but "telnet freechess.org 5000" gives 'no route to host'
[05:37] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: may i ask this way, do you recommend it for a person completely new to linux and who won't want to figure things out?
[05:37] <grimeton> tjj: no route to host can also mean that the port is just not used on the other end (icmp message makes it through)
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: because ubuntu is very intuitive to install
[05:37] <xmetal> hmm i keep forgetting to install ubuntu on that spare partition
[05:37] <tjj> grimeton: It's definitely used on the other end, it's the default port to connect to for that service
[05:38] <grimeton> tjj: hm, so you think it's blocked locally?
[05:38] <xmetal> ubuntu is one i'd recommed for people new to linux (and many others too :) )
[05:38] <tjj> grimeton: I think so
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: and security of your system will be tight
[05:38] <zorbsone> xmetal: virtualbox.org?
[05:38] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: yes, i'll agree there.  the help irc channel is the best i've seen of any linux.  i'll go this way.
[05:38] <grimeton> tjj: check you local output chain of iptables
[05:38] <tjj> grimeton: How do I do that?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: wise choice!
[05:38] <grimeton> tjj: open a root shell and enter iptables -L OUTPUT -vn
[05:39] <grimeton> hmm i wonder if there is an app armor setup for the telnet client!?
[05:39] <tjj> grimeton:     3   180 ACCEPT     tcp  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0            tcp dpt:5000
[05:39] <tjj> grimeton: That line is from when I tried (and failed) to unblock the port
[05:39] <grimeton> tjj: yeah you need at least create state, what's the output policy and are there other chains involved?
[05:40] <roscogruen> any recommendation on the type or flavor?  want lightweight and no heavy whistles.  i liked lubuntu but it didn't seem faster than the vanilla flavor of ubuntu
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: what is the system you want to install to?
[05:40] <grimeton> tjj: something like iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 5000 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
[05:40] <roscogruen> i don't know what he has yet.
[05:40] <tjj> grimeton: I ran that command but get the same no route to host
[05:40] <roscogruen> my computer needs to restart.  bbl.  thank you lotuspsychje
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: if its a new laptop/desktop plain ubuntu will do fine
[05:40] <grimeton> tjj: what about a filter on your firewall?
[05:41] <tjj> I'm a total iptables newbie, I honestly don't even know what policies / chains are
[05:41] <grimeton> tjj: when you to a iptables -L OUTPUT -vn the first line in the output holds a policy
[05:41] <grimeton> tjj: something like Chain OUTPUT blabla POLICY
[05:41] <tjj> grimeton: I suppose it's possible, but I can use bittorrent on nonstandard ports. The only other thing that could be blocking me would be my router and I don't think it has any firewall restrictions
[05:42] <tjj> grimeton: iptables -L OUTPUT -vn now shows:     1    60 ACCEPT     tcp  --  *      *       <IP_ADDRESS>/0            <IP_ADDRESS>/0            tcp dpt:5000 state NEW
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !info firestarter
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> hmm seems like been removed
[05:42] <grimeton> tjj: hm, you can check for the icmp messages that are returned...
[05:43] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, wasn't FS gnome based gui?  unity ...
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> any gui alternatives for firestarter these days?
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: if there isn't any icmp message coming back it's blocked locally
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: is your network device eth0?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: not sure didnt use for a while...
[05:43] <ripthejacker> how to know what type of RAM I have installed?
[05:43] <tjj> grimeton: eth1
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: tcpdump -pqni eth1 icmp
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: run this command and then try to connect in another terminal via telnet
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: then you get an icmp message - if not it's blocked locally
[05:44] <tjj> grimeton: 00:44:02.138769 IP <IP_ADDRESS> > <IP_ADDRESS>: ICMP host <IP_ADDRESS> unreachable - admin prohibited filter, length 36
[05:44] <tjj> <IP_ADDRESS> is my local ip
[05:44] <grimeton> tjj: so there is a filter ...
[05:44] <grimeton> tjj: either by <IP_ADDRESS> intercepting or by <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:44] <tjj> grimeton: A local filter on my box or a filter at some other point in the network?
[05:45] <grimeton> tjj: some other point in the network
[05:45] <tjj> hmmm
[05:45] <grimeton> if it is locally you wouldn't see an icmp message from the network
[05:46] <ripthejacker> how to check If I am using DDR1 or DDR2 RAM?
[05:46] <grimeton> ripthejacker: open the box and check the hardware
[05:47] <Bauer> thanks reisio, wasnt able to make their tar.gz work via ssh, will try again when I get home
[05:47] <ripthejacker> grimeton: Isn't there any way I can check without opening?
[05:47] <DoYouKnow> hi. I tried a day or two ago to connect to a CentOS box using a different graphics card and stream OpenGL apps over ssh
[05:47] <grimeton> ripthejacker: dmidecode would be another way
[05:47] <ripthejacker> I tried to use dmidecode, but it shows type as unknown
[05:47] <DoYouKnow> how mcuh bandwidth does this require and is it possible?
[05:48] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: real time video with opengl requires gigabits network at least
[05:48] <Bauer> but what if I want to do a normal install? and fix the missing lib? why not fix it reisio? which package can I install for that lib32asound2 on Saucy?
[05:48] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: and i don't think that would be enough
[05:48] <grimeton> ripthejacker: then you're pretty much lost i guess
[05:49] <ripthejacker> grimeton: Ok thanks
[05:49] <Bauer> or is it a good idea to issue dpk --force on the teamviewer .deb file?
[05:49] <grimeton> ripthejacker: did you run dmidecode --type 17 ?
[05:49] <Bauer> to force the issue
[05:49] <grimeton> Bauer: no
[05:49] <ripthejacker> grimeton: yes
[05:49] <grimeton> Bauer: --force isn't a solution, it's always a problem
[05:49] <ripthejacker> grimeton: also dmidecode --type memory
[05:49] <grimeton> ripthejacker: that's not nice
[05:49] <DoYouKnow> grimeton, how is it usually done?
[05:50] <ripthejacker> grimeton: why?
[05:50] <DoYouKnow> grimeton, I am referring to using ssh -X
[05:50] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: what? transfering real time video with opengl? bad idea imho
[05:50] <grimeton> ripthejacker: because that somehow means that your bios doesn't know what's going on
[05:50] <DoYouKnow> how do I view an OpenGL app remotely grimeton ?
[05:50] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: don't think that's possible - imho
[05:50] <grimeton> same goes for memory overlays in X
[05:51] <ripthejacker> grimeton: so it means , the pc has a low quality motherboard?
[05:51] <grimeton> ripthejacker: don't know, but at least it means the bios is not able to provide the memory type
[05:51] <reisio> Bauer: I doubt you'd have a problem with force, it would of course be a kludge :)
[05:52] <Bauer> reisio: like you said, I dont need audio :P as long as it wont break the system or something?
[05:53] <grimeton> Bauer: isn't there a tar ball that one can install to /opt or something?
[05:53] <Ben64> Bauer: what are you trying to accomplish
[05:53] <Bauer> Ben64: trying to re-install teamviewer after the succesful upgrade to Saucy
[05:54] <Ben64> Bauer: well did you fix all your apt problems first
[05:54] <Bauer> grimeton: the tarball does not seem to work propely via ssh, perhaps it will work when I am logged in X and run it...
[05:54] <Bauer> yes Ben64, no broken dependencies anymore :) but now teamviewer .deb file requires lib32asound2 in order to install
[05:55] <grimeton> Bauer: hmm
[05:55] <roscogruen>   could someone give me a means to determine whether i've a 32 or 64bit box?
[05:55] <Ben64> Bauer: why even use teamviewer? vnc works better
[05:55] <grimeton> roscogruen: uname -a
[05:55] <Ben64> roscogruen: "uname -m" will tell you what the os currently is, not what your hardware is
[05:56] <Bauer> Ben64: I find teamviewer much simpler to use for other people, and especially when having two screens.. I tried setting up VNC to work, and it was pain.. I didnt get it to work properly and simply
[05:56] <Ben64> Bauer: and you've been trying to get teamviewer to work for at least a day :)
[05:56] <Bauer> it requires to define the screens with :0, :1 etc... didnt work for me
[05:57] <Bauer> Ben64: it worked perfectly on 13.04 :P
[05:57] <grimeton> Bauer: you got a x64 box there?
[05:57] <Bauer> yes grimeton
[05:57] <roscogruen> does "x86_64 tell me 64bit is the version i want?
[05:57] <Ben64> anyway, that library you want is in the repositories, don't install via thz
[05:57] <Ben64> tgz*
[05:57] <reisio> roscogruen: where?
[05:57] <Ben64> roscogruen: if thats what the command returned that means you're running 64 bit right now
[05:57] <Bauer> Ben64: do you refer to the lib32asound2?
[05:57] <Ben64> Bauer: yes
[05:57] <roscogruen> okay
[05:58] <Bauer> Ben64: I tried, but it says Package lib32asound2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. aaand in the end it says: E: Package 'lib32asound2' has no installation candidate
[05:58] <roscogruen> is there a simple command to or way to blank and burn this iso to a usb stick to use an install device?
[05:59] <chris11> hey, I just ran ls and got a file in red text, what exactly does that mean?
[05:59] <marek_> re
[05:59] <grimeton> Bauer: gimme 5 minutes
[05:59] <Ben64> chris11: its red. we'll need more info from you to be sure
[06:00] <Ben64> Bauer: try libasound2:i386
[06:00] <ripthejacker> grimeton: I gotit, I just checked for the motherboard info and looked online for the details.
[06:00] <lapion> I do not know if this is a problem in the ubuntu installer as well, but It cannot seem to make a btrfs volume.
[06:00] <lapion> in the ubuntu-gnome
[06:01] <Bauer> Ben64: libasound2:i386 is already the newest version. and: libasound2:i386 set to manually installed.
[06:01] <grimeton> Bauer: got it
[06:01] <chris11> It's ubuntu 12.10 server edition, I tried to get a file via ftp and it hun on Opening binary Connection. When I then ran ls, that file that I tried to get is in red. I'm guessing the space is resevered, but it isn't valid?
[06:01] <grimeton> Bauer: fix your dependency problems and remove teamviewer, tell me when you're done
[06:01] <rrm> anyone has an idea when next lts comes out
[06:02] <Bauer> grimeton: done - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[06:02] <k1l> rrm: !trusty
[06:02] <grimeton> Bauer: now enable multiarch: dpkg --add-architecture i386
[06:02] <grimeton> Bauer: then run apt-get update
[06:02] <k1l> !trusty | rrm
[06:02] <cfhowlett> !trusty
[06:02] <cfhowlett> rrm, April 2014
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: got that?
[06:03] <Ben64> chris11: pastebin "ls -l /the/file"
[06:03] <Bauer> yes grimeton
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: download the 32bit / multiarch debian package: http://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux.deb
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: then install it and see errors: dpkg --install teamviewer_linux.deb
[06:03] <rrm> cfhowlett, thank you, hope the unity will be a bit more fluid then in this current lts
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: then run apt-get -f install and see all necessary libs installed including teamviewer
[06:04] <Ben64> chris11: and if you're on 12.10, you'd better hurry up and upgrade, you got 2 upgrades to do before February
[06:04] <crocket> I hate text entry.
[06:04] <crocket> It doesn't accept "Hangul" key as a shortcut for switching to the next input source.
[06:04] <cfhowlett> rrm, consider the lxde/kde/xfce4 options: lubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu
[06:04] <reisio> crocket: you must like inefficiency, then :)
[06:04] <reisio> oh you hate that it is malfunctioning :)
[06:05] <chris11> Ben64: -rw-rw-r-- 1 chrism chrism 596907592 Oct 24 05:55 ghcnd_all.tar.gz
[06:05] <crocket> reisio, ibus is much better than "Text Entry" that replaced ibus.
[06:05] <reisio> so use ibus
[06:05] <Bauer> works!!! thanks grimeton :)))
[06:06] <grimeton> Bauer: you're welcome
[06:06] <Bauer> grimeton: should I now remove the architecture in the same way?
[06:06] <rrm> cfhowlett, i did, might try xubuntu, lubuntu is just too minimal
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | grimeton
[06:06] <crocket> reisio, Ubuntu 13.10 prevents ibus from appearing on the unity panel.
[06:06] <Ben64> chris11: probably the file type
[06:06] <grimeton> Bauer: no, never remove i386 from the arch list
[06:06] <cfhowlett> rrm, xubuntu is the foundation of Ubuntustudio FYI
[06:06] <grimeton> Bauer: the lib32 stuff will vanish and multi arch will become the way to go
[06:06] <reisio> crocket: that's only a problem if you need Ubuntu 13.10
[06:06] <roscogruen> is there a set of instructions to get iso burned on to a usb stick so it is an install stick?  mint has a one line command
[06:06] <crocket> reisio, It's obviously a bug or done on purpose.
[06:07] <Bauer> grimeton: wont that cause conflicts in installing other packages? wont it begin installing 32 bit packages instead?
[06:07] <grimeton> Bauer: if you remove i386 from the arch list you break your dpkg database, so bad idea
[06:07] <grimeton> Bauer: it only installs 32bit packages if you ask it to by adding :i386 at the end of the package name
[06:07] <grimeton> Bauer: i386 is a foreign arch, so it's not used for your system
[06:08] <grimeton> Bauer: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[06:08] <chris11> oh, thanks  Ben64. I thought the coloring signifyied some error message.
[06:08] <Bauer> awsesome, thanks for explanation :)
[06:09] <grimeton> Bauer: you're welcome
[06:09] <reisio> crocket: probably just a bug
[06:09] <reisio> crocket: it might even be listed as one already
[06:09] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: are you still there?
[06:09] <crocket> reisio, It was added as a bug years ago
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> who know the usbinstaller trigger for roscogruen ?
[06:09] <crocket> Now the bug is universal in 13.10
[06:10] <roscogruen> thank you lotuspsychje
[06:10] <reisio> crocket: if it's changed, that's more than one bug then
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> keep forgetting that trigger
[06:10] <reisio> what, !usb ?
[06:10] <crocket> reisio, The bug was fixed in 13.04 and reappears in 13.10
[06:11] <crocket> What a unity
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !usb
[06:11] <urterror> can anyone here tell me what command I can use to view real time statistics or data being moved up and down from my nic
[06:11] <reisio> luckily it's all open source
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> right :p
[06:11] <reisio> urterror: ntop?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> reisio: tnx
[06:11] <chris11> any reason ftp get file would hang on Opening BINARY mode data conection? I'm already in passive mode. Is it probably a firewall issue on my end?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: read that usb url
[06:11] <crocket> reisio, Unfortunately, I'm not capable.
[06:11] <reisio> lotuspsychje: if you /query ubottu you can test all the strings you like without spamming the channel :)
[06:12] <reisio> crocket: get capbale :)
[06:12] <roscogruen> ubottu: thank you.  i am there.  and lotuspsychje TY
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> reisio: yes i know that, just forget wich triggername it was
[06:12] <jnhghy> roscogruen: don't talk to the bot ...
[06:12] <urterror> reisio: will try
[06:13] <reisio> lotuspsychje: ginkgo
[06:13] <grimeton> urterror: iptraf
[06:13] <urterror> reisio: are you sure thats the right name of the probram
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !info capbale | urterror
[06:13] <reisio> urterror: of the package?
[06:13] <reisio> urterror: 'ntop'
[06:14] <reisio> 'get capbale' is was not to you
[06:14] <reisio> and was a typo for 'get capable'
[06:14] <reisio> 'cause this keyboard is awful
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:14] <grimeton> urterror: in the console use iptraf-ng
[06:14] <grimeton> urterror: for a bit colored nice-looky use darkstat
[06:18] <urterror> grimeton: it says resource or device busy when I sudo darkstat -i wlan0
[06:19] <grimeton> urterror: darkstat is a daemon providing a web interface
[06:19] <urterror> I editated /etc/darkstat config file
[06:19] <grimeton> urterror: you have to configure it and then start the daemon
[06:19] <urterror> I'm on ubuntu server
[06:20] <grimeton> urterror: did you restart the service after you modified the config?
[06:20] <urterror> grimeton: it wouldn't even load
[06:20] <urterror> grimeton: it will say device is busy
[06:20] <grimeton> urterror: huh?
[06:20] <grimeton> urterror: ps auxw | grep -i darkstat
[06:21] <roscogruen> i am curious of something.  i don't see an indication of moderators.  is this so?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: mods grant status when needed
[06:22] <grimeton> roscogruen: figure it out ;)
[06:22] <urterror> grimeton: it gives me a line
[06:22] <grimeton> urterror: is there a darkstat running?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: do you need an op?
[06:22] <urterror> grimeton: there is a line saying darkstat
[06:22] <limpc> hi guys.
[06:22] <grimeton> urterror: that's not enough info
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> limpc: welcome mate, what can we do for you?
[06:23] <zorbsone> limpc: hello
[06:23] <urterror> grimeton: the line is mentioning my username
[06:23] <limpc> trying to install ubuntu 13.10 as a dual boot alongside my win7 partition.  but during ubuntu install, it doesnt recognize my win7 partition (win7 is a fresh install as well, boots fine).  googling around suggested I check gparted, which detects the partitions s invalid gpt tables.
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: is it also mentioning grep?
[06:24] <limpc> I tried the suggested fix (chkdsk /f on windows boot) but that did not fix the problem
[06:24] <Ben64> limpc: windows does weird stuff with gpt
[06:24] <urterror> grimeton: it says grep -i darkstat
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: then darkstat isn't running
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: but i wonder which device is busy
[06:24] <limpc> Ben64: yeah i noticed.  do you know how to get around this problem?
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: can you pastebin your config somewhere? like pastebin.com ?
[06:25] <urterror> grimeton: I don't have a web broswer here
[06:25] <Ben64> limpc: either don't use gpt, or partition using gparted before installing windows
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> limpc: a great choice would be loose windows once and for good
[06:25] <urterror> grimeton: I have either eth0 or wlan0 and none of those are mentioned
[06:25] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: lose*
[06:25] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: i don't need an op.  just curious and noticing how more smoothly things are running compared to four years ago
[06:25] <limpc> lotuspsychje: i run linux for my primary systems. but this is a work laptop and they have software that can only run on windows. so i need it to dual boot.
[06:26] <limpc> Ben64: is there no way to fix the current windows partition without losing it? it has some licensed software on it that would be very difficult to reinstall
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> limpc: what kind of software is it, if i may know?
[06:26] <grimeton> limpc: run linux or windows in a vm
[06:26] <limpc> lotuspsychje: its analytic software by Logi
[06:27] <limpc> its a pain because it has IIS/SQL Server integration
[06:27] <Ben64> limpc: backup?
[06:27] <limpc> so theres absolutely no way to save the partition?
[06:28] <grimeton> limpc: sure, just install ubuntu around it
[06:28] <grimeton> limpc: in the free area behind winodow
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> limpc: did you choose install along windows during setup, or did setup not see the win partition?
[06:28] <Ben64> limpc: i haven't seen a way yet
[06:28] <limpc> setup is not seeing the win partition. it displays a single, unused 1tb drive
[06:29] <limpc> the win partition is about 600gb
[06:29] <Ari-Yang> how come when I attempt to split a file into .rar parts it doesn't complete?
[06:29] <grimeton> limpc: that's weird, the partition should be visible in the partition table
[06:29] <Ben64> grimeton: windows' gpt doesn't jive with linux
[06:29] <fahadash> I have a baseline ubuntu install, hardly installed anything on it and its eating up all my 5GB harddrive space why ?
[06:29] <grimeton> urterror: then do the following: cat /etc/darkstat/init.cfg | curl -F 'sprunge-<=' http://sprunge.us and give me the url
[06:29] <Ari-Yang> I'm using compress (and tried running file-roller in terminal), and I just can't get a file to split. running on ubuntu 12.10
[06:30] <grimeton> Ben64: there is a partition table and the windows partition is in this partition table - and linux should see the partition independent of what is inside it
[06:30] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: you've got about 3 months to upgrade to 13.10 or lose support
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: 5 gig is a bit low for an ubuntu install
[06:30] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: that doesn't answer my question, thanks
[06:30] <grimeton> urterror: eeer cat /etc/darkstat/init.cfg | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[06:31] <fahadash> lotuspsychje: Whats the minimum space requirement for ubuntu ?
[06:31] <limpc> grimeton: it detects that the partition is there, but complains that its gpt table is corrupted.
[06:31] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: ok, the answer to your question is read the man pages
[06:31] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: afaik ubuntu 12.10 will be supported 'til April 2014 or something
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: did you install 'rar'
[06:31] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: aye, I did
[06:31] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: I have thanks
[06:31] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: but 13.04's support ends january
[06:31] <malinus> Ben64, what about 13.10?
[06:31] <grimeton> limpc: eww, but you're sure that the part table is fine? what part table does it detect? the gpt one or the older one?
[06:31] <Ben64> malinator: july
[06:31] <limpc> grimeton: yes, it can boot into windows just fine.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[06:32] <Ben64> grimeton: again, windows' gpt does not work with linux
[06:32] <ObrienDave> malinus... 9 months is the new life cycle for non-LTSs
[06:32] <grimeton> limpc: but it's still weird ...
[06:33] <limpc> grimeton: theres only 1 partition on it, the windows partition, and a chunk of unallocated space.  it detects the windows partition as an invalid GPT
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows the trigger for that system requierment?
[06:33] <grimeton> limpc: does it say that the partition it self is invalid or that the partition table is invalid?
[06:33] <urterror> grimeton: ok will do
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> [02:31:24] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: but 13.04's support ends january ---> I suggest you check yourself before telling people to upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[06:34] <fahadash> What are the places to clean up the files from to get some disk space freed ?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: how about that 7zip package might help you?
[06:34] <limpc> grimeton: "/dev/sda contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table.  However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. "
[06:34] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: that says 13.04's support ends january, so i'm right, thanks!
[06:34] <fahadash> Is there any application to do disk cleanup ?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: firefox cache might clean alot!
[06:34] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: I wasn't referring to that, I'm referring to 12.10, don't run away from your error
[06:34] <grimeton> limpc: that doesn't mean that it is broken - it's just missing the space at the beginning that holds a fake partition table for older systems
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: ubuntu-tweak can clean alot of old stuff aswell
[06:34] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: wasn't aware that 7zip is available for ubuntu, I'll look into it, thanks
[06:34] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: its not an error, upgrading to something thats EOL will not be a happy experience
[06:34] <ObrienDave> 12.10 is on the old cycle, 18 months
[06:34] <limpc> grimeton: yeah. its also stopping ubuntu 13.10 from seeing the windows partition or being able to install around it.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: not sure whats it called again
[06:35] <fahadash> How do I remove compiz ?
[06:35] <fahadash> compiz might be eating space
[06:35] <urterror> grimeton: I deleted the init.cfg file how do I recreate it
[06:35] <gdrg>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFXlX2hAw2o ROFL
[06:35] <grimeton> urterror: uargh, dpkg --purge darkstat and then reinstall it
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> !info p7zip | Ari-Yang
[06:36] <Ben64> gdrg: don't spam here
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: you don't know my plans and whether I'm going to upgrade or not
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: thanks, I'll look into it
[06:36] <malinus> when I'm sshing into my mediaserver I get the "7 packages can be updated. \n 7 updates are security updates." . When I then run upgrade, I get "The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic \n 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.". Any ideas?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: i would not reccomend uninstalling compiz
[06:36] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: i'm letting you know before you get into a position where you can't upgrade
[06:36] <grimeton> limpc: an fdisk -l /dev/sda and an gdisk -l /dev/sda would be very helpful at the moment
[06:36] <fahadash> lotuspsychje: Can I keep compiz and ubuntu-tweak both ?
[06:36] <grimeton> limpc: to see what's going on
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: if you want ubuntu on low space hd, install lubuntu
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: there are other ways of upgrading other than using software-updater~
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> ^__^
[06:37] <cfhowlett> malinus, relax.  just means some packages have been upgraded yet.  Once ready, those downloads will drop
[06:37] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: not if you want to come here for support
[06:37] <malinus> cfhowlett, why are they held back though?
[06:37] <fahadash> Where are temp files stored when software manager downloads the stuff ?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> malinator, there are THOUSANDS of packages to update.
[06:38] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: your response to what I just said doesn't make any sense .__.   Otherwise your system might break.  So they're temporarily held.  I just had that last week with new kernels.  This week, they loaded.
[06:38] <fahadash> what would be the apt-get command to uninstall skype ?
[06:38] <cfhowlett> fahadash, sudo apt-get purge skype
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> fahadash:  are you actually gonna try all you ask?
[06:39] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: >assuming I can't upgrade
[06:39] <fahadash> Yes
[06:39] <limpc> grimeton: pastebin.com/ShF2z0KA
[06:39] <malinus> how would I check, which additional repositores I haved added (with the apt-get-add)
[06:39] <cfhowlett> malinus thousands of lines of code, thousands of verifications to be done and MOSTLY by volunteers ...
[06:39] <fahadash> Doing it as I get answers
[06:40] <malinus> cfhowlett, okay, I'm with ya. thanks.
[06:40] <cfhowlett> malinus, best of luck
[06:40] <grimeton> limpc: this is a weird output
[06:40] <fahadash> It says / is taking 3.7 GB  of space, but disk shows only 198 MB free. Total Disk is 5 GB
[06:40] <limpc> grimeton: gdisk says "found invalid mbr and gpt."
[06:41] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: so with pzip, I should be able to make RAR files, yes?
[06:41] <grimeton> limpc: yeah, because the first partition should be with id EE
[06:41] <fahadash> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu is taking 226 MB, Do I need it ?
[06:41] <grimeton> limpc: that's the weird thing
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: that p7zip can do alot of stuff
[06:42] <Ben64> fahadash: don't go around deleting random stuff, you're going to break your system
[06:42] <fahadash> :(
[06:42] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: just apt-cache search p7zip and noticed p7zip-rar - non-free rar module for p7zip - hope that doesn't mean I can't make RAR files for free :S
[06:42] <fahadash> What would be the apt-get command to uninstall libreoffice ?
[06:42] <Ari-Yang> fahadash: sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[06:42] <Ben64> fahadash: search for it in the software center and remove it there
[06:42] <ObrienDave> Ari-Yang... non-free means the code is not FOSS
[06:43] <limpc> grimeton: EE?
[06:43] <Ari-Yang> ObrienDave: oh, I see
[06:43] <grimeton> limpc: yeah, GPT protective partition
[06:44] <fahadash> Uninstall failed: Error in function:
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> limpc: how about backing up your win software and install ubuntu on full hd, then virtualbox your win software
[06:44] <fahadash> Libreoffice Math uninstall output (failed) http://pastebin.com/m8KQX33q
[06:45] <ObrienDave> fahadash... sudo ap-get purge liberoffice
[06:45] <ObrienDave> *apt-get
[06:45] <limpc> lotuspsychje: im not running iis/sql server enterprise on vbox
[06:45] <ObrienDave> fahadash... sudo apt-get purge libreoffice
[06:45] <ObrienDave> dang typos
[06:45] <urterror> grimeton: http://sprunge.us/cyyi
[06:45] <urterror> can you read info on there
[06:45] <grimeton> urterror: that url isn't valid
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> limpc: wine and playonlinux might help you
[06:46] <killer> hey , is there a way I can rollback ubuntu to a particular time
[06:47] <limpc> grimeton: "On MBR disks, type 0x27. On GPT disks, GUID: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC. A hidden version of a Windows RE type 0x7 partition with NTFS."
[06:47] <limpc> these partitions are both 0x7
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> killer: you can make backups with dejadup
[06:47] <grimeton> limpc: hm, strange
[06:47] <urterror> grimeton: that's the output
[06:47] <ObrienDave> killer... not like Windows system restore, no
[06:47] <grimeton> urterror: sprunge.us can't find the paste under cyyi - sure there isn't any kind of typo?
[06:48] <killer> actually I was chrooting in ubuntu image , but eventually soething crazy happened and my mouse of the current installation stopped working
[06:52] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: do I have to re-install archive manager/file-roller to be able to make RAR files after installing p7zip?
[06:52] <fahadash> Now I got some space freed up to install gnome
[06:53] <reisio> Ari-Yang: file-roller probably assumes unrar for that
[06:53] <Ari-Yang> I installed p7zip, p7zip-rar, and p7zip-full
[06:53] <fahadash> But installing through Software Center gives me this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/364874/cannot-install-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-4-lts-getting-404-on-a-deb-package
[06:53] <reisio> p7zip-rar probably only helps p7zip with rar
[06:53] <reisio> Ari-Yang: but no, either way if file-roller can find the unrar executable it wants, you won't have to re-install it
[06:54] <Ari-Yang> reisio: well I still can't split this file into multiple RAR parts :s
[06:54] <foofoobar> Hi. Ubuntu 12.04, 3.8kernel, atheros wireless driver. I have this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/285234/cannot-connect-to-wpa2-wpa-enterprise-peap-and-mschap except that after some minutes I am able to connect, but it needs a lot of connection tries
[06:54] <foofoobar> There is no such line like "system-ca-certs=true" like it is suggested in the solution
[06:54] <foofoobar> any ideas what I can do ?
[06:54] <reisio> Ari-Yang: sounds like something not worth doing anyways
[06:55] <reisio> Ari-Yang: other archive formats can be split, they can compress more, and do it more efficiently and at less cost
[06:55] <Ben64> Ari-Yang:        -v<size>[k|b|f]
[06:55] <jack01111> how do i use ubuntu to burn iso for windows 7 usb stick (uefi bootable)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !usb | jack01111
[06:55] <fahadash> What would be the package name for apt-ing ubuntu-tweak ?
[06:56] <Ben64> jack01111: eh, that sounds more like a ##windows question
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: you need to add a ppa from their website, want url?
[06:56] <Ben64> !ubuntutweak | fahadash
[06:56] <reisio> jack01111: http://serverfault.com/questions/6714/how-to-make-windows-7-usb-flash-install-media-from-linux#answer-167060
[06:57] <roscogruen> using unetbootin to create a usb startup disk.  it doesn't recognize the stick i've in it and suggests reformatting.  i'm lost.
[06:57] <k1l> fahadash: ubuntu-tweak is a 3rd party.
[06:57] <fahadash> I just need ubuntu-tweak to help me manage the hard drive space.. Any other tool recommendation ?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> well i never had any issue with ubunt-tweak
[06:57] <ObrienDave> roscogruen... so, reformat the stick. easy peasy
[06:57] <Ben64> fahadash: you don't need it for that. you need more hard drive space really
[06:58] <reisio> roscogruen: do you have another stick you can try?
[06:58] <k1l> fahadash: what? there are alot of better ways to handle that than the ubuntu-tweak stuff
[06:58] <roscogruen> shouldn't i get something when i type, "fdisk -l" in terminal?
[06:58] <urterror> grimeton: I'm sure there is no type
[06:58] <urterror> typo
[06:58] <reisio> roscogruen: sudo
[06:58] <roscogruen> oh
[06:58] <reisio> you should get something, but on some systems you will get nothing at all, because those systems are silly
[06:58] <fahadash> The reason I moved away from windows was that windows was a hog who never had enough hard drive space and memory and processing power...
[06:58] <reisio> it should spit out an error if it requires root, it shouldn't just return nothing
[06:58] <urterror> grimeton: try yiov now
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: 5gig is really low for ubuntu, go for lubuntu
[06:59] <k1l> fahadash: what do you actually want to do?
[06:59] <urterror> grimeton: that's the url cat gives me
[06:59] <ObrienDave> dang, new kernel. brb
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> k1l: he's uninstalling packages to free space from hi 5gig hd
[07:00] <Ben64> urterror: case does matter
[07:00] <fahadash> k1l: I am just running a baseline ubuntu on a VM to try out stuff... Have not installed anything yet but it is taking 4.5 gigs already
[07:00] <k1l> lotuspsychje: ah
[07:00] <reisio> fahadash: that's at least 66% less than Windows 7
[07:00] <urterror> Ben64: lol what? is a url
[07:00] <reisio> so no need to bring that up again
[07:00] <fahadash> I am sure Baseline Windows7 would need less than 5 GB, why not ubuntu then ?
[07:00] <reisio> fahadash: nope, it needs around 15GB
[07:00] <Ben64> urterror: so?
[07:00] <reisio> but won't actually install unless it sees 20
[07:00] <urterror> Ben64: the browser won't care
[07:00] <k1l> fahadash: if you want a really small system install the minimal install and then just install that packages you need. but that is recommended to advanced users
[07:01] <roscogruen> what is url to post a screenshot?
[07:01] <Ben64> urterror: it does in fact, care
[07:01] <reisio> roscogruen: http://imgur.com/
[07:01] <urterror> Ben64: then it's YIOV
[07:01] <haider254> Hi! I've got a perplexing issue and could use some help! I used to have external media mounted to my home directory, apparently the mount was poorly configured and none of the data went into the external hdd. Now I have gigs worth of material hogging up my internal HDD but I can't find it! Can anyone lend me hand?
[07:01] <k1l> fahadash: you dont get windows with that less disk space reauirements
[07:01] <urterror> Ben64: I'm sure it doesn't matter
[07:01] <Ben64> urterror: well you're wrong
[07:01] <urterror> Ben64: like an email address
[07:01] <Ben64> no, its not. you're wrong. case matters.
[07:02] <reisio> haider254: baobab
[07:02] <grimeton> urterror: doesn't work either
[07:02] <Ben64> grimeton: yeah it does
[07:03] <grimeton> Ben64: gimme an url
[07:03] <Ben64> http://sprunge.us/YIOV
[07:03] <urterror> grimeton: I'm not doing anything wrong I dont't think... when I type the command wrong it doesn't give me a url
[07:03] <roscogruen> reisio: do i need to register w/ that site?
[07:03] <haider254> reisio: looks interesting, however I only have a command line connection to the problem pc atm...
[07:03] <grimeton> Ben64: aaah, upper case
[07:03] <Ben64> grimeton: see, case does matter
[07:03] <reisio> roscogruen: not last I checked, no
[07:04] <grimeton> urterror: uncomment the lines with DIR and PORT
[07:04] <grimeton> urterror: then restart darkstat
[07:04] <grimeton> Ben64: don't tell me
[07:04] <reisio> haider254: find / -size +1G -exec du -hs {} \; | sort -h
[07:04] <roscogruen> i posted it several times.  how do i get url for it?
[07:04] <haider254> reisio: will give it a go
[07:05] <reisio> haider254: or try ncdu
[07:05] <urterror> grimeton: by restart darkstat you mean run sudo darkstat -i wlan0?
[07:05] <crocket> yo
[07:06] <grimeton> urterror: sudo service darkstat restart
[07:06] <haider254> reisio: running the command now, will look into ncdu. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[07:08] <killer> Ubuntu is working normal except mouse stopped working suddenly when i broke something while chrooting in another systemm
[07:08] <urterror> grimeton: same error it says getaddrinfo null 667 failed name or service not known: device or resource busy
[07:08] <urterror> I think I'll call it over
[07:09] <grimeton> urterror: is there something running on port 666?
[07:10] <urterror> grimeton: I dontknow
[07:10] <grimeton> urterror: sounds like there is... netstat -anp | grep -i 666
[07:10] <ObrienDave> killer... unplug and plug back in. happens to me all of the time
[07:11] <killer> ObrienDave: oops I did n't explained it correctly , it's a laptop nd mouse touchpad is n't working
[07:12] <urterror> grimeton: I have 6667 which is irssi
[07:12] <urterror> grimeton: not 666 or 666
[07:13] <urterror> 667*
[07:13] <grimeton> urterror: hm, did you change it to 667?
[07:13] <roscogruen> i doubt it gives me the url to the screenshot.  on a desktop w/ several usb drives, only one stick in now, is sdb the likely location?
[07:13] <grimeton> that's really weird
[07:14] <urterror> grimeton: no I haven't change anything there
[07:14] <grimeton> urterror: i don't understand what is busy there
[07:15] <urterror> grimeton: maybe this driver is not loaded right I had my device went to sleep earlier i had to modprobe -r it and then reconnect it
[07:15] <urterror> grimeton: actually I ahd to reestart
[07:16] <ObrienDave> killer... umm, that explanation would have helped. LOL
[07:16] <grimeton> urterror: hm, try again when the device is up and running
[07:16] <roscogruen> it also locks up firefox.  had to restart it.
[07:17] <ObrienDave> killer... PS there is NO such thing as a mouse touchpad
[07:17] <roscogruen> could i do this in terminal:  sudo dd if=~/Desktop/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb oflag=direct  bs=1048576
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> a touch mousepad ;)
[07:18] <ObrienDave> PFFFFFT
[07:18] <roscogruen> to blank the usb stick?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  why are you using that bs argument?
[07:18] <roscogruen> mouse touchpad!  LOL
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive e er us
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> ed the o
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ever used the oflag option with dd either
[07:19] <urterror> roscogruen: I usually say touchmouse
[07:19] <urterror> or mousetouch
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> those Lenvo machines have a little red nipple dont they still? ;) is it a Mouse-Nipple?
[07:19] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis: no idea.  i copied it.  i might guess it tells it where to stop
[07:19] <ObrienDave> LMAO
[07:19] <reisio> 'trackpoint'
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  you just want to image the iso to the usb? bs tells the size of block to use. not where to stop.
[07:20] <reisio> the thinkpads do, lenovo has many that aren't thinkpads
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb  bs=4M
[07:20] <reisio> the keyboard-only addons for the tablets have an optical alternative that isn't the same thing
[07:21] <roscogruen> i want to make a new usb install or startup or live stick to help friend install linux.
[07:21] <roscogruen> unetbootin is a dead end for me so far
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  the command i gave can do that.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  the pendrivelinux site has numerous alternatives to unetbootin
[07:21] <urterror> roscogruen: use lili
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> ive had issues with lili in the past. ;)  beyond its extreme weird-gui-ness ;)
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> dd should work in most cases. - However - i have seen problem machines that just dont want to boot from a live-usb no matter what i did..   had to use a dvd on it
[07:22] <reisio> beyond that there isn't actually a guarantee that any of the following will for sure allow you to boot from usb: the bios/etc., the usb stick hardware
[07:22] <urterror> Dr_Willis: I was making a usb live ubuntu yesterday and my father closed lili thinking it was a spam window
[07:22] <roscogruen> i don't want alternatives but it done
[07:22] <urterror> I got so mad
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> urterror:  yep - its one of the worst GUI;s ive ever seen
[07:23] <fahadash> Is the next LTS really coming on April 2014 ?
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  every 2  years is the schedule i belive
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> 14.04 = 2014. 4th month
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> 12.04 14.04 16.04  ;)
[07:24] <urterror> I started using ubuntu 7.04
[07:24] <fahadash> Would that be capable of running on DELL Windows8 tablets ?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  how should we know. ;)
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> by the time 14.04 comes out - there maybe ubuntu tablets.
[07:25] <fahadash> ummm because you guys are ubuntu pundits ?
[07:25] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis:  do i put the iso in the home drive?  and is the "~" left out?
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> MS likes its tablets locked down so no other os's can work
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  use the fullpath.. dont rely on ~
[07:25] <geirha> fahadash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[07:25] <fahadash> So does apple
[07:25] <time1> hello, everyone
[07:25] <Calinou> hi
[07:25] <time1> I updated gimp to 2.8
[07:25] <fahadash> I would really love to be able to install ubuntu on new iPhones and iPads
[07:26] <time1> but windows are still separate
[07:26] <roscogruen> how do i get the whole path?  i'm not good at this stuff.  learning disability
[07:26] <time1> how to merge them in one
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> I dont really see the point of using apple hardwar.. if you are not running the apple os on the hardware.. why spend more $$ for the hardware
[07:26] <reisio> Calinou: hi
[07:26] <time1> i mean, tool box, layers etc should be in one box, i have readd somewhere in release notes that this version can do that
[07:26] <Calinou> time1: Window > Single window mode :)
[07:26] <Calinou> it's not defaul
[07:26] <Calinou> default*
[07:27] <reisio> yup, in >=2.7, IIRC
[07:27] <crocket> I decided that 13.10 breaks a lot of things compared to 13.04
[07:27] <Calinou> "I decided"
[07:27] <Calinou> I'm upgrading on my netbook right now
[07:27] <crocket> decided
[07:27] <crocket> Calinou, Stop that
[07:27] <crocket> Skip 13.10
[07:27] <Calinou> no. :)
[07:27] <fahadash> Because apple hardwares are better ?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> 13.10 seems to work well for me.
[07:28] <Calinou> apple hardware isn't "better", it just has an optimized OS
[07:28] <crocket> Dr_Willis, Because you don't use ibus.
[07:28] <Calinou> hardware that you find on high end android phones is more powerful
[07:28] <Calinou> and not more expensivd
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  cant really say ive seen many people in here with ibus issues.
[07:28] <Calinou> french here...
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> but i am using xubuntu on a netbook as my main 13.10 machine
[07:28] <time1> Calinou: thanks
[07:29] <Calinou> np :)
[07:29] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: My gf is using ubuntu 12.4 LTS on her netbook
[07:29] <Calinou> Dr_Willis: same! :)
[07:29] <crocket> Dr_Willis, xubuntu is better
[07:29] <crocket> unity is annoying
[07:29] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: She asked for a more expensive netbook because hers was slow, I replaced win7 with ubuntu
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> i have no issues with unity. it just is too much for this netbook.
[07:29] <crocket> I think cinnamon is the way to go
[07:29] <md> hi every one
[07:30] <time1> Calinou: i want to add send to bluetooth & removable drives shortcut on dolphin, like nautilus, how to do that
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> i dont see much point in cinnamon either. Been playing with qtrazor lately
[07:30] <crocket> Dr_Willis, What do you think about mate?
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  dont se emuch point in any of the gnome2-wanna-be clones.. since the gnome devs now have an official gnome-2 looking setup for gnome-shell
[07:30] <Calinou> time1: no idea :/
[07:30] <reisio> mdh: sup
[07:30] <Calinou> I don't use kde
[07:31] <crocket> Dr_Willis, what is that?
[07:31] <fahadash> Gnome DE doesnt show up in sofware center when I search for it
[07:31] <Calinou> gnome-shell?
[07:31] <time1> hmm, how to add it to the NEMO
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  gnome shell 3.8+ has their official gnome-2 look/feel thing.
[07:31] <time1> i just don't like nautilus
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> i forget what they call it.. thse things have to many varity of names
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> gnome-classic or somthing
[07:32] <Calinou> thunar here
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> if i want an old skool type desktop for low end machines i use lubuntu or xubuntu
[07:32] <time1> why ubuntu ships such kind of buggy applications by default, like brasero, nautilus,
[07:32] <fahadash> Please help... Canonical or whoever just pulled GNome from software center... It used to be there 15 min ago
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> qtrazor is a newcomer to that catatory also
[07:32] <Guest12279> when i run my script, it is working fine but when my script running  through crown it showing some syntax error in command. what should i do?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  use the apt-cache search command. and what are you searching for exactly?
[07:33] <time1> does thunar support file search option
[07:33] <Calinou> time1: if you are affected by a bug try updating the packages
[07:33] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Trying to install gnome
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> Guest12279:  cron dosent use bash by default.  make sure your script is ran with bash as its  first line. #!/bin/bash
[07:34] <time1> Calinou: most of time, it hangs, stops responding in small directories
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  which gnome? Unity uses gnome3 by default.. so your being vague
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  gnome-shell?
[07:34] <pockerface> hello
[07:34] <reisio> hi
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  ubuntu-gnome-desktop ?
[07:34] <fahadash> I need to install gnome classic
[07:34] <Calinou> never hung for me
[07:34] <Calinou> but I'm on thunar these days anyway
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  in what ubuntu release?
[07:35] <ObrienDave> fahadash... the gnome meta is still in the repos
[07:35] <fahadash> 12.4 LTS
[07:35] <Guest12279> Dr_Willis, oh ok thanks
[07:35] <fahadash> I just did apt-get update and still cant find it
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> !info gnome-panel
[07:36] <ObrienDave> use synaptic
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> thought it was gnome-panel that pulled in the classic gnome in 12.04  but i could be wrong.
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> !classic
[07:36] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: http://imgur.com/ExFH7qR
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> !nounity
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> gnome fallback mode -> install gnome-panel the bot just said.
[07:38] <fahadash> Unable to locate package ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  because you are on an older release
[07:38] <bazhang> fahadash, gnome-panel
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> gnome fallback mode -> install gnome-panel the bot just said.   fahadash
[07:39] <fahadash> Thanks
[07:39] <fahadash> Its installing now
[07:39] <sfera> Hi, I searched  about this hardware in the forums but have not found any information that mentioned if this hardware with pre-installed ubuntu works  easily with this somewhat limited power processor, do anyone know  this hardware, have used it and that how responds with ubuntu?  supports a resolution full hd 1080 pp?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> be glad when all these redundant fallnack/classic/old-skool modes die out
[07:39] <sfera> http://www.carrefouronline.carrefour.es/noalimentacion/TemplateProduct.aspx?pila=catal...&itemMarcado=&nivel_desplegado=cat410336&itemId=303000670
[07:40] <reisio> sfera: if it's preinstalled, all you need is a return policy
[07:40] <roscogruen> what is the purpose of having xubuntu along with ubuntu?  how is xubuntu different?
[07:40] <reisio> roscogruen: it uses Xfce instead of GNOME 3+Unity
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  xubuntu uses xfce
[07:40] <reisio> which is different, it's a little more like GNOME 2 than 3
[07:40] <fahadash> I got gnome, thanks
[07:40] <reisio> and potentially uses fewer resources
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> xfce is a bit lighter ;) and more old skool in its looks
[07:41] <OerHeks> unity - 1024 mb / xubuntu - 512 mb / lubuntu 256 mb
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu and lxde is lighter still.
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> or go extreme and just use a basic window manager. ;)
[07:41] <roscogruen> hmm.
[07:41] <ObrienDave> a little too lite for my taste
[07:42] <roscogruen> i'm gonna restart and try ubuntu for first time in four years
[07:42] <urterror> it use to work well on my pentium 3 laptop
[07:42] <roscogruen> bbl
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> all im doing on my netbook is irc and watching vidoes. ;) jwm and a terminal is about all i need
[07:43] <urterror> Dr_Willis: are you watching flash videos from ubuntu server?
[07:43] <lapion> hmm gnome fall-back/flashback on i915 still does not do screen redraws correctly
[07:43] <urterror> how can it be done? using a svga framebuffer?
[07:43] <Twinlator> what's the most important new features in ubutnu 13.10?
[07:43] <sfera> reisio this hardware support full hd 1080 pp ?http://www.carrefouronline.carrefour.es/noalimentacion/TemplateProduct.aspx?pila=catal...&itemMarcado=&nivel_desplegado=cat410336&itemId=303000670
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> Twinlator, having people ask "what's the most important new features in ubutnu 13.10?"
[07:44] <reisio> sfera: I'd guess not, but we can figure it out if we look it all up
[07:45] <reisio> sfera: do you have a screen that supports 1080p?
[07:47] <sfera> reisio yes it is for a tv lg full hd from 120 cm of diameter , 47 inch
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Just use a flash downloader tool and a video player perhaps...
[07:48] <Lynxx> hello
[07:48] <Lynxx> i have a q
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. even rather low end mondern hardware can support 1080p these days
[07:48] <ObrienDave> !ask | Lynxx
[07:48] <reisio> sfera: there are some <$100 computers you can get that do 1080p
[07:49] <Lynxx> Whenever i try playing bingo blitz on facebook it says i need to update flash. I already have updated to the latest but still same error, was working before i think...
[07:49] <Lynxx> ObrienDave, i was typing it
[07:49] <Twinlator> i'm using ubutnu 12.04 LTS now, and i wanna update my OS to the newest version. However ,the intro on ubutnu.com didn't give much more information.
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> Lynxx:  could be theres some newer flash on windows thats not out for linux yet.  or their code is just being stupid
[07:49] <ObrienDave> ok, sorry. my impatience ;)
[07:49] <reisio> sfera: $50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubieboard
[07:49] <Lynxx> :(
[07:49] <sfera> reisio i wanted this machine because is very small
[07:49] <reisio> sfera: €30
[07:50] <reisio> sfera: this is even smaller
[07:50] <Lynxx> Dr_Willis, is there any work around?
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> Lynxx:  no idea.
[07:50] <reisio> and about 300% cheaper
[07:50] <Lynxx> other than using windows
[07:50] <Lynxx> ok ty
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> Twinlator:  if you dont have a real need to update. then dont. stick to lts or the latst release.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Twinlator:  upgradeing from your current install to 13.10 - maybe a bit of a pain. for little gain
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Twinlator:  and 14.04 will be out in a few months.
[07:51] <Sazpaimon_> why do the ubuntu 13.10 isos not have an EFI folder?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> 6, to be exact ;)
[07:52] <OerHeks> Sazpaimon_, why does it need to have it? it works on UEFI.
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[07:53] <Sazpaimon_> because for me to boot the installer in efi mode, it needs a bootx64.efi file
[07:53] <Sazpaimon_> does it not?
[07:53] <sfera> reisio reisio ok it is cool but i cant buy it in a shop of my country, true??
[07:53] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: no, uefi boots the usb stick
[07:53] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: after installation you'd need an efi system partition, but not before
[07:53] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: besides that, a bootx64.efi file is not an efi folder
[07:54] <reisio> sfera: what country, España?
[07:54] <sfera> reisio , yes of course
[07:54] <reisio> I'm sure there are some €30 small form factor single-board computers supporting 1080p available in España
[07:54] <reisio> if not the cubieboard then something else
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, so then how does the uefi firmware know how to boot the usb stick?
[07:55] <reisio> does it matter if it has to be shipped to you, though?
[07:55] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: same way bios knows how
[07:55] <reisio> hello usb stick, please boot
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> uh, bios only knows because the MBR is formatted
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> uefi does not use MBR
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> oh wait, I was mistaken re: efi folder missing
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> i was loading the 32 bit iso
[07:56]  * reisio shrugs
[07:56] <fahadash> Where do I find synaptic ?
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> the 64 bit iso clearly has EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> carry on
[07:56] <ObrienDave> fahadash... go through software center
[07:56] <OerHeks> Sazpaimon_, UEFI does not support 32 bit
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> OerHeks, yes i know, i accidently mounted the wrong iso
[07:57] <Sazpaimon_> but just fyi that file is indeed required for any uefi system to boot the usb stick
[07:57] <reisio> sfera: http://cubieboard.org/buy/ three items for spain
[07:57] <sfera> reisio ok but i like buy  it all in shops of my country
[07:58] <OerHeks> Sazpaimon_, i am aware of that, have fun!
[07:59] <lapion> well actually if you do not want to use bios emulation on an uefi system you need efi folder on any device you wish to boot
[07:59] <reisio> sfera: why?
[07:59] <Sazpaimon_> also speaking of distros tha are missing the EFI folder
[07:59] <vadi> What is a Ubuntu-friendly drawing tablet?
[07:59] <Sazpaimon_> the minimal CD is also missing it
[08:00] <sfera> reisio , buy it  only in physical stores   ???
[08:00] <reisio> sfera: yes
[08:00] <Sazpaimon_> copying the EFI folder from the full iso into it makes it boot, though, but it'd be nice if it were included so I dont need to download an additonal 700+ MB ISO just to get the efi stuff
[08:02] <sfera> reisio which is a physical store ?      Imai-solutions     Quascar     Goshield
[08:02] <Sazpaimon_> is this a mistake or is it by design?
[08:02] <reisio> sfera: no idea, why do you need to buy it in a store?
[08:02] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: is what a mistake?
[08:02] <ObrienDave> it's by design
[08:03] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, the minimal iso missing the EFI bits
[08:03] <fahadash> How do I add new users ? I used useradd -d /home/username username <-- and I cant log in gui
[08:03] <Sazpaimon_> it only takes up about 1.5MB more, so I dont know why that's missing
[08:03] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: I think someone said if it boots it boots
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  easier to use 'sudo adduser username'
[08:03] <sfera> reisio because i can taste the hardware in the same shop before of buy it
[08:04] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, mini.iso wont boot unless I copy the EFI folder from the full iso to it
[08:04] <reisio> fahadash: you'd need to run 'passwd user' at the very least
[08:04] <fahadash> reisio: I did
[08:04] <reisio> sfera: that's what return policies are for
[08:04] <reisio> fahadash: then there are groups to consider
[08:04] <fahadash> It accepts my user/pass , screen flickers and comes back to login screen
[08:04] <fahadash> Which group should it be in ?
[08:04] <reisio> fahadash: almost all the same groups any user you're already using is in
[08:05] <Sazpaimon_> its not a deal breaker, i'd just rather not have to download 700MB just to copy 1.5-2MBMB of data to make a 36MB iso work
[08:05] <reisio> 'groups existingUser'
[08:05] <fahadash> my current (root/default) user is in adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[08:05] <reisio> weird
[08:06] <reisio> fahadash: what'd you put in the home dir?
[08:06] <sfera> ..
[08:06] <reisio> sfera: if you're going to walk into a store
[08:06] <fahadash> reisio: useradd command didn't mkdir the new directory so I had to create one, its empty
[08:06] <reisio> sfera: you can just ask a sales clerk if it does 1080p
[08:06] <reisio> sfera: and return it if they lie to you
[08:06] <reisio> fahadash: -m does that
[08:07] <fahadash> I am trying adduser as Dr_Willis said
[08:08] <fahadash> adduser is asking a whole bunch of questions including room # and SAT score
[08:08] <reisio> yup
[08:08] <wylde> fahadash, they can be left blank ...
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> every time ive seen people have issues adding users from the cli.. its because they use useradd not adduser. ;)
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  so hit enter
[08:08] <sfera> reisio in the web if you buy something  and you return this thing the cost of return this thing is yours
[08:08] <reisio> useradd is simple
[08:09] <fahadash> Why can't I use useradd ?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> and they always seem to have a hard time understanding 'just leave them blank...'
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  my guess would be you did not tive useradd all the needed options
[08:09] <fahadash> sfera: That is why I always buy with free shipment; that comes with free return shipment automatically
[08:09] <wylde> you can use useradd, you just have to use it properly ;)
[08:09] <reisio> useradd -m -G foo,bar,baz -s /bin/bash -c Edgar edgar
[08:10] <mr-xu> hi guys, is there some other programs like wgetpaste, i cant install wgetpaste in ubuntu
[08:11] <reisio> mr-xu: Ubuntu uses pastebinit
[08:11] <reisio> for some reason every distro has their own favorite pastebin script :p
[08:11] <reisio> almost as indicative as the package manager
[08:11] <reisio> probably moreso
[08:12] <nb-ben> gist
[08:12] <sfera> fahadash ,the namew of a  universal web  of shops for buy this stuff with free shipment??
[08:12] <mr-xu> reisio: tk ;)
[08:12] <sfera> the name
[08:12] <bazhang> !ot | sfera
[08:13] <reisio> you don't need free shipment when you're saving yourself 300% cost
[08:14] <fahadash> sfera: A whole bunch of them offer free shipments. amazon, newegg . You just have to play it right
[08:14] <mr-xu> hi guys, i cant start X window, here is the log file, can someone help, thanks;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293633
[08:14] <fahadash> There goes the Topic-Police
[08:15] <k1l> fahadash: no need for that comment. please see the guidelines to be clear what rules apply to this channel
[08:15] <michagogo|cloud> Someone should fix the release notes link in the topic...
[08:16] <fahadash> Ok I take my comment back. But you gotta relax on that limitations sometimes for trivial stuff
[08:16] <fahadash> Is there any such command as gnome-session-save ?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> !find gnome-session-save
[08:16] <k1l> fahadash: we have a extra offtopic channel to keep this channel only for technical support. since its a 1700 users channel which gets out of hand if everyone wants to tak trivial stuff
[08:17] <fahadash> I am running a theme script, it cant find it
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  dosent seem to be
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  a theme script? what script?
[08:17] <fahadash> I am trying to run this on 12.4 LTS...http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/
[08:17] <sfera> ok but i wanted find that hardware in a shop of my country and with complete garantie of return
[08:18] <wylde> fahadash, http://askubuntu.com/questions/38988/is-there-a-way-to-save-a-session
[08:18] <k1l> sfera: stick to technical ubuntu support in here please. you were already asked to drop that into #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:18] <jack> anyone want to help me a bit with apt/dpkg?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  my advice... dont bother with that script/theme
[08:19] <jack> i'm stuck with E: Internal Error, No file name for python3.2:i386
[08:20] <jack> no clue what to try now
[08:20] <ObrienDave> why would anyone want a Win7 theme?
[08:20] <k1l> jack: can you put the command and the whole output into a pastebin?
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  if a theme needs some 'script' its most likely best to avoide
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  and look at the date.. seems that was published in 2011
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> I bet it dident work very wellback then either
[08:20] <fahadash> ObrienDave: I am trying this out... It would help me convert some win7 users better if they find a familiar interface
[08:20] <jack> ok, trying
[08:21] <sfera> k1l the best warranty is buy it all in the corteingles xd
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  i imagine that script can break your system badly.
[08:22] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Do you have other options to get windows 7 look and feel on ubuntu ?
[08:23] <cfhowlett> fahadash, use xubuntu or lubuntu instead.  they're less Ubuntuy
[08:23] <cfhowlett> to an extent
[08:23] <zebedee_> hello
[08:23] <ObrienDave> how about T.A.I.L.S.? it haa a XP looking theme built in ;)
[08:23] <cfhowlett> zebedee_, greetings
[08:23] <ObrienDave> *has
[08:23] <zebedee_> need some assistance please with xubuntu if thats ok
[08:24] <cfhowlett> zebedee_, asj
[08:24] <cfhowlett> ask
[08:24] <vlt> !details | zebedee_
[08:24] <OerHeks> fahadash, the start "sudo wget  ..." is reason enough to avoid it
[08:24] <zebedee_> fresh install 13.10   installed nvidia-common  and now I have no toppanel ??
[08:24] <fahadash> Why you guys are all over me, telling me about my vulnerability instead of giving me the alternatives ?
[08:25] <wylde> fahadash, I saw a couple alternatives suggested.
[08:25] <fahadash> cfhowlett: Can xubuntu or lubuntu help me accomplish what I am trying to accomplish ?
[08:25] <k1l> fahadash: we gave you alternatives. see the desktops that look like the way windows looks
[08:25] <fahadash> Dont want XP look, dont want xfce's default look
[08:25] <wylde> fahadash, then customize them?
[08:25] <zebedee_> I can get to a desktop  and alt+f2 will allow me to start applications - how do I get the top panel back please
[08:26] <fahadash> I want this look.... http://cdn.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Final-Product-e1300273216522.png
[08:26] <fahadash> Is this possible ?
[08:26] <reisio> fahadash: there are several packs and howtos for making GNOME and KDE look like Windows
[08:26] <reisio> fahadash: including a few distros that ship them default
[08:26] <ObrienDave> xubuntu is a bit "plainer". I think it looks closer to classic windows
[08:26] <k1l> fahadash: and dont take the users for naive. they will see its not windows at least if they start a file browser or if the want to install some .exe
[08:26] <reisio> there's nothing in particular that makes Xfce plainer, the Xubuntu guys just went with flat gray because they did
[08:27] <fahadash> k1l: I am not going to tell them its windows... I am trying to help users have a smooth transition
[08:27] <wylde> fahadash, the answer is yes. It is possible.
[08:27] <fahadash> reisio: Do you have any link to those howtos ?
[08:27] <fahadash> wylde: How ?
[08:27] <reisio> nope, because they're so easy to find
[08:28] <vlt> fahadash: What distro is this screenshot?
[08:28] <fahadash> vlt: Ubuntu 10.4 LTS
[08:28] <reisio> https://www.google.com/search?q=windows%207%20theme%20gnome etc.
[08:28] <cfhowlett> vlt, that would be ... vista
[08:28] <wylde> fahadash, by starting with a reasonably similar desktop and cusomizing it.
[08:28] <wylde> customizing it.
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> having it sort of-kinda-look like windowsa but not act like windows will just cause more frustration
[08:28] <fahadash> vlt: Here is the actual page... http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/
[08:29] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Its "acting like windows" part that causes everybody frustration
[08:29] <cfhowlett> fahadash, it won't.  it's not windows.
[08:29] <fahadash> If windows acting like windows, I wouldn't be trying to convert windows users into linux
[08:29] <fahadash> wait, i gotta rephrase
[08:29] <fahadash> If windows did act like windows, I wouldn't be trying to convert windows users into linux
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> i convert windows users by just lettingthem use the system and they relize how its differnt and better
[08:30]  * vlt too
[08:30] <ObrienDave> fahadash... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2028896/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7.html
[08:30] <cfhowlett> fahadash, time for you to do your own research.  LOOK like windows is doable.  ACT like windows ... install windows and send them away happy.
[08:30] <ObrienDave> that took all of 10 seconds to find
[08:31] <reisio> he probably means act like windows if it weren't so awful
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> watch out for 'theme guides' that date back  2+ years ;)
[08:31] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, lmgtfy
[08:31] <fahadash> wait it still doesnt make sense... I guess I am too sleepy
[08:32] <fahadash> What I meant to say, Windows acting like Windows is a problem
[08:32]  * Dr_Willis makes his windows setup look like unity.
[08:32] <bazhang> !ot | fahadash
[08:32] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett... LMAO
[08:32]  * cfhowlett makes his ubuntustudio look kewl.
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> I still cant get the elementary os desktop working right on 13.10 ;(
[08:33] <fahadash> cfhowlett: I guess I am misunderstood, I am not trying to make ubuntu act like windows....
[08:33] <fahadash> I tried to get Windows to stop acting like Windows, I failed... So I moved to linux...
[08:33] <bazhang> fahadash, lets get back on topic
[08:33] <ObrienDave> fahadash... i think they're trying to tell you to do some basic RESEARCH
[08:34] <cfhowlett> fahadash, I think we' ve beat this topic into the ground
[08:34] <bazhang> fahadash, chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic NOT here
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  i imagine if you want to customuze the desktop that much. you will want to be using XFCE and not Unity or gnome3
[08:34] <fahadash> bazhang: I am talking about giving people who got stung by windows a solution...which is ubuntu... is it still off-topic ?
[08:34] <bazhang> fahadash, YES
[08:34] <wow> hi guys, i can see the display manager, and when i login, there is just black screen, here is the error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293691/
[08:34] <reisio> it'd take less time with Xfce
[08:34] <wow> can someone help? thanks
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> wow:  lightdm login works? or you dont even see that?
[08:35] <bazhang> wow tried nomodeset?
[08:35] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Are you saying getting that theme is easier on xfce than on gnome ?
[08:35] <BenNZ> hi having trouble with the precise mini iso , ive tried on my laptop/desktop and vbox each time it fails after selecting the mirror , i did an md5sum test on the iso and it passed , anyone know what the problem is?
[08:35] <ObrienDave> fahadash... YES, this is Ubuntu SUPPORT not ex-window user support
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  you dont understand how themes work on linux desktops.
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> oh well.. never mind
[08:35] <cfhowlett> dang,  I just found his solution too  http://ubuntusatanic.org/
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> and for the record.. xfce is mor ecustomizeable. ;)
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> cfhowlett:  what? not hanna-montanna linux? ;)
[08:36] <bazhang> !nomodeset | wow
[08:36] <reisio> it's not more customizeable, it's just less complex, and therefore more easily customized
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Dr_Willis, agreed
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Dr_Willis, LOL
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> be carefull we will have to !OT ourself more.
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> wow:  if lightdm login screen works. but the desktop dosent. try making a new user. see if it works for them.
[08:37] <wow> ubottu: thanks, i'll try
[08:37] <wow> Dr_Willis: nope, the same result
[08:37] <wow> ubottu: thanks anywahy
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> wow:  i imagine the guest user also has the same issue?
[08:38] <jack> k1l, check http://pastebin.com/Whd7wW15
[08:38] <wow> yep, i try the guest user, but it is black screen too
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> wow:  often theres some issues with Unity/compiz and the video drivers.  but ive never seen a defacto fix.
[08:38] <zetto123> what is the top bar called in ubuntu? the one with all the small icons and stuff, and sometimes settings for an program.
[08:39] <reisio> top bar, globalmenu, etc.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> wow:  other then to try a differnt non-unity/compiz based desktop ;) but thats a little  exterem
[08:39] <zetto123> oh it doesn't have a specific name?
[08:39] <reisio> panel :)
[08:39] <wow> Dr_Willis: ok, then i'll try lxde, tk ;)
[08:39] <zetto123> lol okay
[08:40] <reisio> zetto123: does it have a name in Mac OS?
[08:40] <zetto123> reisio: dunno not a mac user soo
[08:40] <ObrienDave> zetto123... panel 0
[08:40] <ab`> what should be the behavior of 'sed -ni s/regex/foo file'?
[08:40] <ObrienDave> I think ;)
[08:41] <reisio> ab`: an error
[08:41] <lapion> ubuntu installer cannot handle btrfs install
[08:42] <cfhowlett> lapion, default is ext4 ...
[08:43] <ab`> everytime i do that, sed empties my file. is there a reason behind it?
[08:43] <lapion> after manually selecting btrfs the installer cannot handle using or formatting btrfs
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  theres some web sites that give  the names of all the unity gui bits..  http://www.howtogeek.com/113330/
[08:43] <reisio> ab`: try without -n
[08:44] <iceroot> ab`: sed will remove your regex with foo (and because you are using -n you will not get any output
[08:44] <zetto123> Dr_Willis: thanks that can be helpful, gonna look into it
[08:44] <iceroot> ab`: and maybe remove -i for testing, because -i will edit the file directly (see also man sed  for the options)
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  seen several sites that are similer.. some may be a little out of date. then theres the offical ubuntu manual
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> !manual | zetto123
[08:45] <cfhowlett> lapion, stop the installation.  reboot the ubuntu disk live session.  DO NOT install.  use gparted to prepare your partitions.  then reboot and install into the partitions
[08:45] <zetto123> okay thanks guys, guess i will for first time in my life read an manual
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  its more pictures then anything else i recall. ;)
[08:46] <ObrienDave> rtfm ;)
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> 'read and follow label directions'
[08:46] <ObrienDave> something I can't get my wife to do LOL
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> some of the features of ubuntu are a bit hard to 'discover'
[08:47] <ab`> it works fine with 'sed -in s/regex/foo file', though. it seems little weird.
[08:48] <lapion> cfhowlett, like I said " cannot handle using or formatting btrfs"
[08:48] <ObrienDave> sometimes switch order makes all the difference
[08:48] <iceroot> ab`: ? so you say -in is working but not -ni? or what is your statement?
[08:48] <cfhowlett> lapion, per the gparted site, btrfs is doable.  I don't know why your's isn't working.  sorry
[08:48] <ab`> iceroot: exactly.
[08:48] <iceroot> ab`: ok that sounds strange, was never facing something like that, maybe i was just lucky
[08:49] <ab`> iceroot: just lost my big .emacs file
[08:50] <iceroot> ab`: the manpage says .) edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied)
[08:50] <iceroot> ab`: so maybe there is a backup?
[08:51] <ab`> iceroot: i didn't supply any, sadly.
[08:51] <ObrienDave> *nibbles on fingers*
[08:52] <BenNZ> hi having trouble with the precise mini iso , ive tried on my laptop/desktop and vbox each time it fails after selecting the mirror , i did an md5sum test on the iso and it passed , anyone know what the problem is?
[08:52] <geirha> -ni is -n -i,  -in is -i with n as suffix
[08:53] <ObrienDave> BenNZ... have you tried a different mirror each time?
[08:53] <wylde> BenNZ, what mirror are you choosing? Are you trying the same one each time? Is there any additional error output?
[08:53] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, wrong mirror?
[08:53] <lapion> cfhowlett, sorry a preformatted partition works fine
[08:53] <cfhowlett> lapion, more than one way to skin a cat ...
[08:54] <ab`> geirha: oh i see, there are 'filen' files in same directory.
[08:54] <geirha> ab`: You probably don't want -n at all, just -i, so the question would be why did you include -n in the first place?
[08:54] <BenNZ> i did try the nz one and the one of the aus one's
[08:54] <lapion> still it's sloppy to not insert a warning in the installer to point to this shortcoming...
[08:55] <cfhowlett> lapion, I'm slow to claim BUG! but I think it might just be ...
[08:55] <ab`> geirha: i just forgot i was editing file 'in-place'
[08:55] <ChiVampir> Hi I have some problem and are unable to get my system to boot.
[08:55] <cfhowlett> !details|ChiVampir,
[08:56] <geirha> ab`: Technically, sed cannot edit files. What the -i does is write the result to a new file and move it over the original one afterwards
[08:57] <lapion> e this one account to login to everything in the installer.. this should not be in the installer..
[08:57] <BenNZ> nope doesnt matter which mirror , just tried aus and us again , hangs at the same place
[08:57] <xtriz> is their a GUI for openvpn  ?
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: client or server?
[08:58] <ChiVampir> I have problem with booting Ubuntu 13.10. I only run into this screen: http://i44.tinypic.com/2zsnr51.jpg I have disabled secure boot and boot mode is set to legacy. I was able to boot into the system one time after install (the boot took over 10 min), and installed updates as well as installing kernel 3.12. I've tried to do a boot repair and this is my url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293415/
[08:59] <ChiVampir> If you need it I can give you the output of  lshw -short
[08:59] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, both
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> ChiVampir: check BIOS settings for the drive in BIOS. You may want to run a low level check using the manufacturer's tool on the Ultimate Boot CD
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: network-manager icon in your panel can connect to VPNs and has the client in. I am not sure about a GUI for openVPN as an endpoint but there are tonnes of guides on how to set one up
[09:00] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: Thank you. I will try and tell you the result.
[09:01] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, ok , it would have been nice if there was a nice GUI to configure VPN as well.
[09:02] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: I'm now in bios and don
[09:02] <ChiVampir> 't quite understand what you mean I should do.
[09:02] <gypsymauro> hi
[09:02] <BlackT1tan> q
[09:02] <flutiwinger> hi
[09:02] <BlackT1tan> hay
[09:02] <gypsymauro> I mount a smb share with nautilus, but when I open a qt application I can't see that mount point and I've no idea on how to access to it, any hint?
[09:03] <ab`> geirha: so, what goes wrong when with 'ni'?
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: why? Most people put it on a server OS, so has no GUI
[09:03] <wylde> gypsymauro, look in ~/.gvfs ;)
[09:03] <nubuntu> ?
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: why does EVERYTHING need a GUI?
[09:03] <Twinlator> hello, i have a error when i run a c program. (i'm a new man in c language). http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293806/
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  they are in the users /home/username/.gvfs directory
[09:04] <flutiwinger> q
[09:04] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: Where can I find the low level check?
[09:04] <gypsymauro> I don't have that folder
[09:04] <gypsymauro> even showing hidden files
[09:04] <flutiwinger> Quit
[09:04] <geirha> ab`: It includes -n, which you apparently don't want.
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  look again.  its where  the gnome virtual filesystem puts things
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  try the shell.. cd ~/.gvfs
[09:05] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: And what is the Ultimate Boot CD? Sorry for not knowing...
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  if you are using kde.. it might use a differnt location
[09:05] <knifes> i install ubuntu 13.10
[09:05] <geirha> ab`: Have you looked it up in the manual yet?