[00:19] <mapps> hey
[00:20] <neuro> is for horses
[00:20] <neuro> as my mum would always say
[00:20] <mapps> lol
[00:20] <mapps> ;]
[00:20] <mapps> just finished my passport application..hoorah
[00:21] <mapps> hope they dont reject the photos
[00:21] <neuro> as long as you're not smiling
[00:21] <mapps> yeqa
[00:21] <mapps> and no hair coivering face/glasses etc
[00:21] <mapps> but
[00:22] <mapps> thing was ..it says two photos minmum of 45mm height by 35mm width - so i cut them but theyre a bit bigger..someone said they will cut them to size its just if theyre smaller they get rejected
[00:23] <neuro> i still either need to find my old expired passport or go through the rigmarole of reporting it lost before i can renew
[00:23] <neuro> and if i can't find it and have to report it lost, when i go to renew, i need to get photos signed etc :(
[00:23] <mapps> yea
[00:23] <mapps> thats why i had to
[00:24] <neuro> by a "respectable" person, mental
[00:24] <mapps> i lost mine somehow between manchester and home
[00:24] <mapps> ;(
[00:24] <neuro> mine is in the house somewhere
[00:24] <neuro> no bloomin' clue where it is
[00:25] <mapps> yea i thought the same dude
[00:25] <mapps> came back from holland..and hadnt been anywhere since..I NEVER take it out if i go to tesco or go out drinking..we arent a police state and im 29
[00:25] <mapps> but i cant find it:(
[00:29] <mapps> even went to tesco to see if it had fallen out of my pocket ..went there on my way back had no food in
[00:29] <mapps> but no;/was going to go away March 10th-19th too but wont be able to now;(
[00:30] <neuro> unlucky
[00:30] <neuro> and you can't use the express same day / next day services with lost renewals, right?
[00:30] <mapps> yea thats what it said
[00:31] <mapps> dunno if theres any like 1 week thing ..but i figure i just cant go
[00:31] <neuro> you'd think by cancelling the old passport and verifying you from birth certificate, NI records, tax records, credit record, etc they could quickly verify you.
[00:32] <mapps> yep
[00:32] <mapps> agree
[00:32] <mapps> i work..mum and dad british..etc nothing dodgy
[00:32] <mapps> all my details can be checked easily
[00:32] <mapps> they even say with lost passports you may have to go for an interview to prove youu are who you say
[00:32] <mapps> thatd be a PAIN
[00:33] <neuro> so premium service (4 hours) isn't available for replacing lost passports
[00:33] <neuro> but the fast track (1 week) service is
[00:33] <neuro> £103
[00:33] <neuro> https://www.gov.uk/get-a-passport-urgently
[00:33] <mapps> ooh
[00:33] <mapps> might do that
[00:34] <neuro> i take it you've done the reporting process for a lost passport already?
[00:34] <mapps> do i have to go to the post office or a passport office or can i still do it by post?
[00:34] <mapps> no--i was going to send that at the same time as my applicaiton form..says you can send the LS01 at same time
[00:34] <neuro> i'd do that first, but then again i'm not in a hurry ;)
[00:35] <neuro> probably best to call the advice line in the morning and get them to help
[00:35] <ali1234> if you go to the post office they just put all the documents in an envelope and post it for you
[00:35] <neuro> 0300 222 000 8am-8pm
[00:35] <mapps> thats what i thought ali1234
[00:35] <mapps> thanks
[00:35] <mapps> neuro,  does it say whether you have to go to a passport office or anything though
[00:35] <neuro> i think you do
[00:36] <neuro> "To get your passport within 1 week, you must supply all your completed forms and supporting documents to Her Majesty’s Passport Office at the agreed appointment."
[00:36] <mapps> aha
[00:36] <neuro> you can book an appointment at a Passport Customer Service Centre from the adviceline
[00:36] <ali1234> the interview is really dumb
[00:36] <neuro> read that page i linked to, it tells you Stuff
[00:37] <mapps> thanks
[00:37] <mapps> hey you had one ali1234 ?
[00:37] <ali1234> i didn't know the answers to any of the questions they asked, still got a passport
[00:37] <neuro> what kind of questions do they ask you?
[00:37] <ali1234> basically if you show up and you're white you get a passport
[00:37] <mapps> lol hat kinda qs
[00:37] <mapps> ye
[00:37] <neuro> "what's your favourite colour?"
[00:37] <mapps> lo
[00:37] <ali1234> pretty much
[00:37] <neuro> "who is the manager of arsenal?"
[00:37] <neuro> "what is the queen's middle name?"
[00:38] <neuro> (answer: Royal, as in Her Royal Highness)
[00:38] <ali1234> they ask you about the person who notarized your photos
[00:38] <ali1234> what bank accounts you have
[00:38] <ali1234> ie "what bank is your current account?"
[00:38] <neuro> oh jeez, that's easy
[00:38] <mapps> what about the person who notarised it
[00:38] <neuro> probably what do they do
[00:39] <neuro> how long have you known them
[00:39] <ali1234> who is the person and how do you know them?
[00:39] <neuro> what's your relationship etc
[00:40] <ali1234> i don't think they're interested in the answers you give, it's more of a stress test really
[00:40] <neuro> from the list of people of "good standing" you can get as countersignatory, I can only really see one that i could use: director/manager/personell officer of a VAT registered company
[00:40] <neuro> i would just talk to one of my mates who contracts a lot :)
[00:41] <neuro> ooh or "chairman/director of a limited company"
[00:41] <mapps> i used my friends wife
[00:41] <mapps> she's a teacher
[00:41] <neuro> "used"
[00:41]  * mapps knows noone
[00:41] <mapps> heh
[00:42] <mapps> you know what i mean:)
[00:43] <neuro> although in saying that, the occupations list does say "must work in (or be retired from) a recognised profession or be a 'person of good standing in their community', eg"
[00:43] <neuro> and the important bit is "eg"
[00:43] <neuro> so i guess it's not an exhaustive list
[00:44] <neuro> actually, a mate of mine works in a council-run sports centre
[00:44] <neuro> so he's had all the usual background checks to make sure he doesn't fiddle with kids
[00:45] <neuro> and he's had his application approved to volunteer at the Commonwealths
[00:45] <neuro> so he'd probably do
[00:45] <neuro> what the hell ...
[00:46] <neuro> http://www.scotsman.com/news/environment/wind-farms-like-lockerbie-disaster-donald-trump-1-3304511
[00:46] <neuro> donald trump has compared wind farm development in Scotland to the Lockerbie disaster
[00:46] <neuro> he's a lunatic
[00:47] <mapps> yea
[00:47] <mapps> moron
[00:47] <mapps> ;/
[00:49] <neuro> jeez, they actually have a page on the golf club website (the one near aberdeen) detailing trump's scottish ancestry
[00:50] <neuro> aaaanyway ...
[01:15] <neuro> just had to go through a whole bunch of domain names resetting contact info :P
[01:16] <neuro> bloomin' annoying as the reason i got a reseller account to handle mates wanting domain names was to avoid all the admin hassle :)
[01:19] <mapps> heh
[01:20] <mapps> how many domains u got
[01:20] <neuro> counting ones that other people have bought from me, 32
[01:21] <neuro> 12 personally
[01:21] <neuro> including omnombuntu.com which was a mistake really
[01:21] <neuro> hmm, i need to reset the default page
[01:22] <neuro> that's better
[01:51] <mapps> ;]
[02:26] <mapps> oke
[02:26] <mapps> taking my dell 1501 completely apart
[02:26] <mapps> to find out if it is the fan causing this horrific noise:)
[02:29] <daftykins> D:
[02:29] <daftykins> neuro: lol, no good deed.
[02:29] <mapps> if not..well then
[02:29] <mapps> we are stuck
[02:29] <mapps> :(
[02:29] <neuro> :)
[02:31] <daftykins> throw it out and get a new!
[02:31] <mapps> no!"
[02:31] <mapps> never
[02:32] <daftykins> hehe i jest
[02:32] <mapps> i hatr throwing stuff away:D
[02:32] <mapps> *hate
[02:32] <daftykins> mapps: rather than disassemble twice
[02:32] <daftykins> why not ebay a replacement cooler and strip it down with it present
[02:32] <mapps> ive got a new laptop samsung i5 ..this is my old dell from my uni days ..so ya its old
[02:32] <daftykins> that way you can replace it if it is \o/
[02:32] <mapps> just runs centos atm
[02:32] <mapps> what else could it be if not fan
[02:32] <daftykins> i dunno i just turned up tbh i don't know the convo
[02:33] <daftykins> i guess that's all it could be!
[02:33] <mapps> basically my dell 1501 makes a horrific noise ..but it works fine..boots and everything works
[02:36] <daftykins> i only do laptop teardowns when i have enough wake-time to put them back together again :D
[02:36] <daftykins> if i sleep between, i forget things
[02:43] <mapps> i get that heh..i printed out the instructons for taking it apart
[02:43] <mapps> :)
[02:47] <mapps> hmm well didnt think this through
[02:47] <mapps> i cant turn it on and power it up so i cant see the fan going
[02:47] <mapps> doesnt look bunged up with dirt though so nothing visibly wrong
[02:54] <daftykins> is it a bearing based fan?
[02:55] <mapps> silly q but not sure what that means or how to know
[02:57] <daftykins> so you've got a motor spinning it, but to stop it just being plastic on plastic spinning wearing itself out, they used to be metal ball bearings
[02:57] <daftykins> or a cunning sleeve based system
[02:57] <daftykins> sometimes it just says on the little fan what it is
[02:57] <daftykins> but yeah this is why i like just replacing 'em 'cause yup it tends to be quite hard to run whilst on the bench
[02:57] <daftykins> though i've always been happy to sketchily reassemble it enough to make it work
[02:58] <daftykins> even if it means holding the battery up to it to run it XD
[02:58] <daftykins> mains is easier to attach though of course
[03:00] <mapps> yea
[03:00] <mapps> i just didnt think duh..i need to be able to press it on and there's nothing i can press on the kaptops motherboard to go on
[03:00] <mapps> heh
[03:00] <mapps> it looks just like plastic
[03:02] <daftykins> how do you mean press on to go on? 'cause the power button board's off?
[03:02] <mapps> ya
[03:03] <mapps> the hinge bit is off which is where the power button is
[03:04] <daftykins> *nod*
[03:05] <daftykins> you could put back the bare minimum :>
[03:05] <daftykins> usually that board just presses on a button on the other side
[03:05] <mapps> yea thats what i thought thought id be able to press it myself?
[03:05] <mapps> maybe just put the hinge cover back on?
[03:10] <daftykins> i'd imagine the only other thing in that system that's mechanical is the HDD?
[03:11] <daftykins> maybe reassemble all and take the HDD out, then fire it up :D
[03:11] <daftykins> but yeah doubt it's that really
[03:14] <mapps> hm
[03:14] <mapps> so for now to test fan
[03:14] <mapps> put hinge back?
[03:14] <mapps> hinge cover
[03:18] <daftykins> i really don't know the specific laptop to tell what's viable or not :D
[03:23] <mapps> :)
[03:23] <mapps> so what you doing up this time|? NBA all stars on
[03:26] <daftykins> it's my birthday ^_^
[03:26] <mapps> ah happy birthday
[03:26] <mapps> :D
[03:26] <mapps> off worek tomorrow?
[03:27] <daftykins> thanks :)
[03:27] <daftykins> i work when i want really :>
[03:30] <mapps> tonights a good tv night for me
[03:30] <mapps> :D
[03:30] <mapps> true detective and walking dead
[03:30] <mapps> yeaaaa
[03:30] <mapps> :D
[03:32] <daftykins> hehe
[03:33] <mapps> might be going to see robocop at the imax tomorrow:D
[03:33] <mapps> yuou watch either of those series?
[03:36] <daftykins> nah
[03:36] <daftykins> not even heard of the former
[03:37] <mapps> O_o
[03:37] <mapps> ;]
[03:38] <mapps> had a dominos earlier:D first time in like uhh gotta be over a year
[03:38] <mapps> ncie for a change :)
[03:39] <daftykins> we don't have any pizza chains over here
[03:39] <daftykins> had dominos a couple of times during Uni though
[03:54] <mapps> oh
[03:54] <mapps> none
[03:54] <mapps> wow
[03:59] <daftykins> yip
[04:01] <mapps> just surprising
[04:01] <mapps> :)
[04:06] <daftykins> well, time to go
[04:07] <daftykins> gl with the laptop sir \o
[04:20] <mapps> he turns his pc off? whats up with that:D
[06:25] <jussi> o/
[06:40] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:56]  * jussi hands MooDoo the obligatory cup of  tea :)
[07:02] <MooDoo> yay thanks
[08:31] <DJones> MooDoo: 6.40am is too early for good morning's
[08:33] <MooDoo> DJones: yeah I usually get in to work at about 6:30
[08:34] <DJones> Thats a bit early for me, I'm normally walking the dog then
[08:35] <MooDoo> I don't expect many people up at that time, just being polite really :D
[08:35] <DJones> :)
[08:41] <AlanBell> morning
[08:44] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell how are you this fine dya?
[08:45] <MooDoo> Obviously I can't spell
[08:47] <AlanBell> I am fine, just need to stop playing flappy parrot and get on with some work
[08:48] <jussi> haha
[08:49] <MooDoo> AlanBell: that darn game
[08:49] <AlanBell> 205 is my record http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/embed/18035291/?autostart=true
[08:50] <MooDoo> no no no bloody darn you AlanBell
[08:52] <jussi> mr AlanBell! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:52] <jussi> 21 on the 3rd try... NOOOO
[08:53] <MooDoo> I had to close it or i'd never get work done.
[08:53] <jussi> me also...
[08:55] <AlanBell> I want to add a global high score, but cloud variables don't appear to be working at the moment
[09:18] <MooDoo> wow you can tell it's half term, silence ;)
[09:19] <popey> ☻
[09:19] <popey> Kids playing minecraft here
[09:20] <MooDoo> my son is right getting into it, he loves it.
[09:20] <popey> I setup a pocket minecraft server, sophie let her school friends know, now they play on that together
[09:20] <MooDoo> he's not discovered minecon thank fully yet lol
[09:21] <MooDoo> never thought of doing that for jimmy ans his friends :)
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:23] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:23] <bashrc> morning
[09:23] <MooDoo> quite liking trusty tahr at the moment, apart from that pesky login bug :)
[09:23] <popey> what bug?
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning bashrc and popey
[09:24] <MooDoo> popey: I had a look it's one where the login box isn't getting focus at start up, you have to right click the box before you're able to type in it.
[09:24] <popey> oh
[09:28] <MooDoo> it's not a hard workaround, just right click the box to get focus
[09:29] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[10:12] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Human Spirit Day! :-D
[10:14] <hazrpg> \o
[10:17] <MooDoo> haello hazrpg
[10:17] <diplo> Morning all
[10:17] <hazrpg> hi MooDoo :)(
[10:17] <hazrpg> :)*
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning hazrpg
[10:21] <hazrpg> morning brobostigon
[10:23] <bigcalm> Panic stations - my parents are visiting 2 days early
[10:24] <brobostigon> oh dear
[10:25] <knightwise> morning everyone
[10:25] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[10:26] <MooDoo> bigcalm: omg you're going to have to tidy :S
[10:29] <bigcalm> MooDoo: that started yesterday, but we thought we had 2 more days to finish it
[10:31] <brobostigon> loads of coffee requied,
[10:32] <MooDoo> bigcalm: fancy parents wanting to come see their kids ;)
[10:34] <knightwise> anyone ever tried a desktop calendar client that plays nice with google calendar ?
[10:36] <dvrr> i configured vnc server to connect remote desktop it is secure or not   how can i  connect  remote desktop connection  with secure
[10:37] <dvrr> MooDoo
[10:40] <MooDoo> dvrr https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[10:41] <MooDoo> or this one - http://askubuntu.com/questions/91773/how-do-i-secure-vnc-desktop-sharing
[10:45] <jussi> dmmit, I hate it when one ear gets blocked :/
[10:47] <arsen> non techy colleague just came over and proclaimed "i got ubuntu installed last night - thanks!"
[10:47] <arsen> very happy with himself. good times.
[10:48] <MooDoo> nice one :D
[11:08] <MooDoo> pah only 19 in the ubuntu uk irc stats for most active nicks, meh!
[11:09] <MooDoo> Poor MooDoo, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 7 times.   LOL
[11:15] <dvrr> i am   using .pem files to connect ssh connection  it's working  with out .pem files  we can not connect  ssh connection.  remote desktop connection  only require  public ip & password  if we  know password we can connect anyone any where  it is not secure
[11:17] <dvrr> how can i connect  secure remote desktop connection
[11:23] <jussi> MooDoo: fail! :P
[11:33] <MooDoo> jussi: huh?
[11:34] <jussi> MooDoo: you are only 19th :D
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: do you feel attacked? :)
[11:35] <MooDoo> jussi: I know right, thought I just chatted a lot....
[11:35] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: don't hit me
[11:35] <MooDoo> done by our good friend brobostigon - http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> During this 979-day reporting period
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> that's almost 3 years!
[11:36] <MooDoo> we've been around that long :D
[11:36] <jussi> haha
[11:36] <jussi> some epic random quotes...
[11:36] <jussi> "ooh, just telnetted into my router"
[11:37] <popey> ☻
[11:37] <jussi> and also: "who is the person and how do you know them?"
[11:37] <diplo> Oh dear, I'm at number 9!
[11:37] <diplo> Not a good quote for me :P "diddledan: I put on 9st 10 if that counts as not good :P"
[11:38] <MooDoo> wow launchpad member since - 2006-04-06
[11:38] <popey> 2006-03-21
[11:38] <popey> close
[11:38] <MooDoo> blimey
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> Member since:
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> 2005-06-15
[11:39] <jussi> oh SuperMatt.... epic quote! "Happy "oh crap, it's that day again" day"
[11:39] <Laney> so old
[11:39] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: wow i thought 2006 was early... MartijnVdS beat us by loads lol
[11:39] <diplo> Member since: 2008-03-26
[11:39] <diplo> Not so long
[11:40] <jussi> where do you see these dates?
[11:40] <MooDoo> on your launchpad page
[11:41] <MooDoo> jussi: https://launchpad.net/~paulmellors  member since
[11:41] <diddledan> 2005-12-05 here
[11:41] <jussi> ahh yes
[11:41] <jussi> 2006-11-24
[11:42] <jussi> lunchpad... we all love you...
[11:54] <SuperMatt> jussi: hey!
[11:54] <cocoa117> when a network device was set with IP address but no broadcast address does this mean, the kernel won't respond to any broadcast received on this particuular network dev?
[11:54] <SuperMatt> I stand by my statement
[11:54] <jussi> hehe
[11:54] <jussi> SuperMatt: I am in complete agreeance
[11:55] <jussi> btw, I shall be in the UK from 7-11th March
[11:57] <SuperMatt> jussi: you poor thing
[11:57] <jussi> SuperMatt: :D
[11:57] <SuperMatt> it's one thing to live here, another to subject yourself to it
[11:58] <jussi> SuperMatt: I shall enjoy the "real" fish and chips
[11:58] <ali1234> can i make apache log the pid in the log file?
[11:59] <SuperMatt> jussi: not if you spend most of your time in central london you won't
[11:59] <jussi> SuperMatt: I dont plan on visiting london.
[11:59] <SuperMatt> ah, that's ok then
[11:59] <jussi> I will spend most of my time in manchester/liverpool
[12:00] <SuperMatt> that's not quite so ok ;)
[12:04] <jussi> haha
[12:05] <jussi> I could be doing worse... I could end up in middlesborough... :P
[12:06] <MooDoo> manchester isn't that far from me, about an hour or so, when you coming jussi so I can make sure i'm in london ;)
[12:06] <jussi> (I went there once... the only place in the UK that I have been to that was worse was newport)
[12:06] <jussi> MooDoo: hahaha, read up, I mentioned earlier
[12:06] <DJones> jussi: Whereabouts in Liverpool?
[12:07] <jussi> DJones: some hotel on the docks at this point, although that may change...
[12:07] <MooDoo> jussi: I can't complain I'm from Nottingham, wear a flak jacket every day
[12:07] <jussi> DJones: dependent on whether they move the football match I was planning on attending or no...
[12:08] <DJones> Ah right, probably fairly close to where I am, I work up near Bootle docks
[12:11] <jussi> DJones: ahh ok. guess maybe a beer or so is in order then...
[12:11] <DJones> jussi: Possibly, have to see how things work out around then
[12:11] <jussi> :)
[12:25] <jussi> you know how we are moving to systemd.... I have a question...
[12:26] <jussi> When is debian/ubuntu planning then to move to rpm/yum? :D
[12:26]  * jussi laughs manically
[12:26] <SuperMatt> ¬.¬
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> once they fix how they do dependencies, I guess ;)
[12:27] <diddledan> good ol' government: http://grahamcluley.com/2014/02/passwords-leaked-live-tv-flood-emergency
[12:27] <SuperMatt> having said that, even fedora is moving away from yum to dnf
[12:27] <diddledan> dnf?
[12:28] <jussi> did not finish?
[12:28] <jussi> :P
[12:28] <diddledan> does not fit?
[12:28] <SuperMatt> diddledan: back on the govt thing: I can tell you many things about their password policy now
[12:28] <SuperMatt> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
[12:29] <SuperMatt> Must be 8 chars, must contain bother upper and lowercase
[12:29] <SuperMatt> cannot be the same as a previous password
[12:29] <SuperMatt> also: users suck
[12:29]  * jussi looks at SuperMatt and starts shaking his head with fingers in ears "DO NOT WANT TO KNOW HOW BAD IT IS"
[12:29] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I retired as a fedora mentor about 3 weeks ago!
[12:30] <SuperMatt> I'm actually going to have to learn the rhel way of doing things :(
[12:30] <SuperMatt> so much so, I've put centos on my laptop
[12:31]  * SuperMatt dies a little inside
[12:31] <jussi> SuperMatt: ouch
[12:31] <jussi> I tired suse once...
[12:31] <MooDoo> rhel isn't so bad really, I use it on a daily basis
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> let me guess, you got tired of it ;)
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: except when you need a modern piece of software. RHEL releases less often than Debian, doesn't it?
[12:32] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: depends on what you want, there are repos you can use for most stuff.
[12:32] <SuperMatt> if Rackspace supported ubuntu in dedicated, we could break up the teams in to rhel and ubuntu specialists
[12:32] <SuperMatt> I would happily volunteer for the ubuntu team
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sure, but all I've heard is "We're not installing that, it's not in the official repos"
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> gee, thanks sysadmin..
[12:33] <SuperMatt> we support epel and ius
[12:33] <SuperMatt> nothing else
[12:33] <SuperMatt> (and the official ones, of course)
[12:33] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: well what in particular?  if it's not in the repos what would you need it for? unless you're doing something specidic
[12:33] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: playing devils advocate here :d
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it was some Oracle server, maintained by external sysadmins
[12:34] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: stupid computers :)
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: part of the problem was that we didn't really have a good way of communicating with them
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> and that every keystroke cost money
[12:34] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: time to move to windoze ;)
[12:35] <SuperMatt> /o\
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Nah, time to ditch Oracle ;)
[12:35] <SuperMatt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1900104_10153860996120721_1871978483_n.jpg
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: heh
[12:35] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: have you got a picture of your pod yet so we can all see where you're workin?
[12:36] <SuperMatt> not of my pod no
[12:36] <SuperMatt> https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1900007_10153774367490464_1657044053_n.jpg
[12:36] <MooDoo> lol
[12:36] <MooDoo> new racker?
[12:36] <SuperMatt> yup
[12:36] <MooDoo> awesome
[12:36] <SuperMatt> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/p526x296/1653903_10153784330310464_2097441953_n.jpg
[12:37] <SuperMatt> that was friday
[12:37] <MooDoo> awwww just for you? lol
[12:37] <jussi> I want candy
[12:37] <SuperMatt> not for me, for the team
[12:38] <diddledan> I need chocolate
[12:38] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: seems you get a lot of free time :d
[12:39] <SuperMatt> not really
[12:39] <SuperMatt> I've got a lot of training going on right now, and then next week I have to hit the ground running
[12:43] <foobarry> which flag did you put up? pokemon?
[12:47]  * MooDoo wonders if he could communite to manchester and get SuperMatt a signing bonus at the same time ;)
[12:52] <brobostigon> are the stats working properly, ?
[12:53] <SuperMatt> foobarry: I don't have one yet
[12:53] <MooDoo> brobostigon: seem to be I think
[12:53] <SuperMatt> I don't think you get them until you pass probabtion
[12:53] <SuperMatt> but I've requested a batman logo
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: how do you get 500 pikachu into a car?
[12:53] <MooDoo> brobostigon: tatistics generated on Monday 17 February 2014 - 12:48:27
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: you poke'm on
[12:54] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: get out!
[12:55] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: hmm? :)
[12:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: cool :)
[12:58] <brobostigon> i am glad its working correctly,
[13:03] <MooDoo> brobostigon: well actually it's flawed, It's saying I'm only the 19th most used nick, I could of sworn I was more vocal than that ;)
[13:04] <brobostigon> oh dear :(
[13:04] <MooDoo> lol
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: sssh!
[13:04] <MooDoo> yes sir
[13:05] <brobostigon> lol
[13:13] <foobarry> i have a work account for google so i can read calendars. but people are adding me on g+ how do i stop that?
[13:14] <foobarry> if i delete my google profile then youtube videos will be taken down
[13:15] <ali1234> tell them to stop adding you?
[13:15] <foobarry> thats hard
[13:15] <foobarry> g+ says "connect to foobarry "
[13:15] <ali1234> it's pretty easy
[13:15] <foobarry> it doesn't say which foobarry (work or not)
[13:16] <ali1234> just do a google+ post telling them to stop following you. problem solved.
[13:16] <foobarry> deleted my profile
[13:18] <jussi> foobarry: most people Ive seen just put a big profile pic with "dont connect to this account, I dont use it"
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> you can ask Google to merge your G+ accounts
[13:18] <foobarry> i think i chose the right option
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/transfer-google-plus-accounts/
[13:20] <popey> i have 4 G+ accounts :()
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ that link might be helpful then :)
[13:22] <popey> dont think that helps. I need to have at least two of them active
[13:22] <popey> for hangouts on air for work and personal
[13:22] <popey> annoyingly
[13:23] <foobarry> this place is the only one in the known universe where they have patch ports that look like this http://ubuntuone.com/24TASqz19ymmgQu92lWpCt
[13:23] <foobarry> new ones put in :S
[13:23] <Dave2> popey: is that including the one with writing all over your face?
[13:24] <foobarry> it's easily solvable. google have a tick box that says "active" or "disable"
[13:24] <foobarry> diable g+
[13:24] <foobarry> or "allow people to add you"
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: sure but you could merge the other 2 into them
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> popey: so you end up with 2 accounts instad of 4
[13:25] <popey> nope
[13:25] <popey> one is a shared account with my name on
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> First time I have ever come across this problem before. I use unetbootin to create the USB bootable drive. Am installing 12.04 LTS tomorrow and wanted to check it worked OK. Always failed with the same error: http://askubuntu.com/questions/127398/usb-drive-install-of-ubuntu-12-04-server-fails-cant-find-components-from-cd-r
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> However, ran this chaps perl script to rebuild the file names and hey presto. http://cirrus.ucsd.edu/~pierce/fix_ubuntu_usb/
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> 12.04 LTS *Server*.
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: have you tried just dd'ing the ISO to an USB Stick?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Ubuntu images are special now
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: directhex knows more :)
[13:34] <directhex> snuh?
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> directhex: oh the hybrid iso thing again
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've come across that problem before.
[13:39] <popey> i only ever dd images to usb now
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> I did my first pxe install this weekend. Those are nice & flexible! :)
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> still have the old thee-colour brown/yellow/orange logo too!
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.vercot.com/~serva/an/Imgs/UbuntuPXE-2010-06-20-13-41-50.png
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> (even when using the trusty image)
[13:42]  * knightwise switched wife to linux yesterday
[13:42] <knightwise> gave her 0 instructions :)
[13:43] <knightwise> wonder how she"'s gonna react
[13:43] <popey> hehe
[13:44] <knightwise> put elementary OS on her 24 inch iMac
[13:45] <jussi> elementary ....
[13:45] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[13:45] <knightwise> Yeah , it LOOKS like OSx , its pretty light and it runs on 12.04
[13:46] <knightwise> I could have also gone for 13.10 with CairoDock
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> why make it OSX-like though?
[13:47] <jussi> it makes the jump a little easier to take, no?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> Isn't Ubuntu mac-ish enough by itself?
[13:48] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: yeah it is.
[13:49] <knightwise> to be honest I had installed 13.10 and it was working ok , but I had a keyboard issue
[13:49] <knightwise> so i thought maybe in 12.04 it would have been ok
[13:49] <knightwise> so i reinstalled
[13:49] <knightwise> turned out keyboard issue was apples fault
[13:49] <brobostigon> watch tbbt, and lunch, then tackle last nights washing up.
[13:49] <knightwise> apple keyboards send out the wrong keycode for their @ sign
[13:50] <knightwise> take a logitech keyboard with an apple keyboardlayout and it works perfectly
[13:50]  * knightwise hates cupertino sometimes
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: then stop buying their stuff
[13:50] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: why make it OSX like : because that is what my wife is used to and user experience is important
[13:51] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: haven't bought a new mac in a while now
[13:51] <foobarry> knightwise: elementary \o/
[13:52] <knightwise> foobarry: and its light and very efficient
[13:52] <foobarry> i know
[13:52] <brobostigon> elementary my dear watson.
[13:52] <foobarry> used it 10hrs a day for last year or 2
[13:52] <knightwise> well ,its simpler then xfce ...
[13:53] <knightwise> and to be honest it feels a lot more polished because of that.
[13:53] <knightwise> we are talking about a user that wants to USE her machine ,and does not enjoy tinkering with it (like we do)
[13:53] <foobarry> requires least amount of re-configuring/tweaking, and is simple/fast, and doesn't get in my way
[13:53]  * brobostigon is happy with standard gnome-shell.
[13:53] <foobarry> i meet few people who are
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: I don't need to tinker with Unity to use it.
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> which seems to be the point of it..
[13:54] <knightwise> brobostigon: gnome 3 ?
[13:54] <MooDoo> brobostigon: never got on with gnome2
[13:54] <brobostigon> knightwise: yes.
[13:54] <MooDoo> 3 even
[13:54] <popey> elementary does indeed look pretty
[13:54] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i like the workspace implementation,
[13:54] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: if you have somebody who just "switched" to linux , its important to give their UI some consistency
[13:55] <foobarry> question: what happens if your PC runs out of ram and you have no swap? does unity crash immediately?
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Unity is very consistent!
[13:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: you need to move to debian ;)
[13:55] <popey> foobarry: depends
[13:55] <popey> OOM Killer kills processes
[13:55] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i use debian unstable/sid with gnome3 already.
[13:55] <knightwise> MooDoo: I might give pure debian a go too soon
[13:55] <MooDoo> foobarry: i would say it goes so slow to give the appearance of it hanging coz it's swapping lots
[13:55] <brobostigon> MooDoo: with a splash of debian experimental.
[13:55] <MooDoo> brobostigon: smarty pants.
[13:55] <popey> MooDoo: he said with no swap
[13:56] <foobarry> gala in elementary crashes immediately. i got shot down on g+ for saying this is a bug
[13:56] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[13:56] <knightwise> and it might sound boring .. but i'm an LTS kinda guy
[13:56] <popey> its not a bug
[13:56] <popey> its working as designed
[13:56] <foobarry> should handle OOM more gracefully
[13:56] <MooDoo> knightwise: me too
[13:56] <foobarry> other WMs seem to
[13:56] <popey> oom is out of your control
[13:56] <knightwise> because linux just has to WORK and i don't always need to have the cutting edge on my desktops
[13:56] <foobarry> not sure if OOM-killer got deployed
[13:56] <MooDoo> knightwise: LTS on the server and 14.04 LTS on my laptop
[13:56] <popey> kernel log will tell you
[13:57] <foobarry> i opened 1 tab too many and gala crashes, happened a few times near capacity RAM usage
[13:57] <foobarry> dmesg had nowt
[13:57] <knightwise> MooDoo: so soon ?
[13:57] <MooDoo> knightwise: yup, was feeling reckless :)
[13:57] <popey> why do you have no swap?
[13:57] <brobostigon> lts on one server, debian testing on the other.
[13:57] <foobarry> because i have 8gb ram
[13:58] <foobarry> and usually its not an issue
[13:58] <knightwise> Linux mint debian ed. on the server (rolling release) 13.10 on the laptop , all other machines : 12.04
[13:58] <knightwise> now i need to find a way to incorporate her Google Calendar into her workstation, that when she gets an ics link , it gets added to her calendar
[14:01] <foobarry> knightwise: i suspect that maya shows evolution calendars
[14:01] <foobarry> and evolution handles gmail cals right?
[14:01] <foobarry> or just add a chrome app and drag it to desktop
[14:02] <knightwise> can you do that ?
[14:02] <knightwise> i'll try the evolution thing.
[14:02] <knightwise> because otherwise she wont have an app that handles ics files
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: Chrome can handle ICS files I think
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> especially if they're sent through gmail ;)
[14:11] <MooDoo> popey: planning uukpc season 7 or on a break for a few months?
[14:12] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: thats it , she gets her mail in outlook
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[14:13] <MooDoo> I don't like outlook 2013, it's really slow on my laptop
[14:16] <bashrc> as an email client Thunderbird is pretty good
[14:17] <bashrc> havn't used MS Outlook for a decade
[14:17] <knightwise> knightwise: sorry I meant THUNDEBIRD 8
[14:17] <knightwise> Thunderbird !
[14:17]  * knightwise is ashamed to say outlook
[14:17] <bashrc> thunderbird is go
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> bashrc: no, it's C++
[14:20] <bashrc> well, nearly
[14:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> thunderbird and the lightning calendar work with ics and google calendar (CalDAV)
[14:36] <MartijnVdS> thunderbird and lightning, very very frightening?
[14:39] <foobarry> me
[14:40] <foobarry> there should be are easter egg in apt-get when you type sudo apt-get install thunderbird lightning
[14:40] <knightwise> does lightning do a two way sync with google calendar ?
[14:41] <MooDoo> knightwise: depends if you're in a field holding a laptop and golf club in the air during a storm ;)
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/using-lightning-google-calendar
[14:41] <knightwise> an easteregg like " sudo apt-get lightning" and you get an echo "veryvery frightening ?"
[14:42] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: thanx :)
[14:42] <knightwise> gonna have a go at it tonight.
[14:42] <knightwise> so far : wife been working on machine all day. no complaints.
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's rather old isn't MartijnVdS?
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> I just use CalDav to Google.
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: first hit on google ;)
[14:43] <knightwise> but i think she can manage , considerign THIS is her grandmother https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuForGrandma
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Works fine both ways
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Google is deprecating CalDav
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> No it isn't/
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> ah wait
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> They decided against it
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> they switched URLs, that's it
[14:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yep.
[14:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> They did announce a while ago they were going to drop it. But everyone shouted and they rescinded their decision surprisingly.
[15:00] <xalyy> Hello all!
[15:00] <xalyy> Can someone help me about editing the rules of proxmox?
[15:01] <xalyy> Someone? :(
[15:02] <MooDoo> !ask
[15:02] <xalyy> Okay :D
[15:02] <MooDoo> :D
[15:02] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/5527846587dc4149fd6416deab1969a5.png I want to edit this user settings
[15:02] <xalyy> To delete VM.Audit VM.Backup
[15:03] <xalyy> There is three type of commands pveum roleadd, pveum roledel and rolemod
[15:03] <xalyy> But not really sure how to use
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> May I recommend: http://doctormo.deviantart.com/art/how-to-Ask-Smart-Questions-172418841
[15:03] <MooDoo> xalyy: now i don't know about proxmox, but does this help - http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/8999-Proxmox-2-PVEVMUser-permissions
[15:04] <MooDoo> perhaps the forums is a good place to start as well.
[15:04] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: that's quite good :)
[15:05] <xalyy> Yeah I see but there is not so much information about thoose commands :S
[15:06] <xalyy> I wan't to edit the roles priviliges and not user
[15:06] <MooDoo> no idea from me then
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: doesn't the tool have documentation? Then you might have chosen the wrong tool.
[15:07] <xalyy> There wasn't any problems so far
[15:07] <xalyy> Its a good virtual enviroment
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> it can't be that good if it doesn't have docs ;)
[15:13] <brobostigon> 6:45pm, star trek 6 TUCm film4, :)
[15:21] <MooDoo> brobostigon: didn't really like that one
[15:22] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i prefferred voage home, but it was still a good story, classic iron curtain cold war story.
[15:22] <brobostigon> voyage home*
[15:22] <MooDoo> yeah, I think newest 2 have been the better ones so far, but first contact is still my fave
[15:23] <brobostigon> the newest two, the reboots, are modern actions films, not true star trek films in that sense.
[15:26] <MooDoo> get wesley back in it :D
[15:26] <brobostigon> :)
[15:26] <MooDoo> Great fan of Wil Wheaton :D
[15:27] <brobostigon> android user, :)
[15:27] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: you need a few of these ;) http://nickysnursery.wordpress.com/2014/02/17/carolina-reaper-one-of-the-worlds-hottest-chillies/
[15:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got some growing already MooDoo :-D
[15:28] <brobostigon> :)
[15:28] <brobostigon> scowille rating ?
[15:28] <brobostigon> scoville*
[15:28] <MooDoo> 1,500,000
[15:28] <brobostigon> ouch
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> I wouldn't even go near that
[15:29] <brobostigon> sounds distinctly risky.
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> I'll stick to bell peppers ;)
[15:31] <brobostigon> :)
[16:42] <mapps> hey
[17:00] <mapps> man true detective was good
[17:01] <mapps> i want more eps!
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> mapps: I know an artist who is making one EP per month this year :)
[19:26] <xalyy> Hey, im back! :P
[19:27] <xalyy> Does anyone have any experience of vps host?
[19:27] <xalyy> What you think guys SSD or HDD is better for hosting purpose?
[19:29] <directhex> xalyy, both have their strong points
[19:29] <directhex> xalyy, but i wouldn't consider a VPS host using consumer-grade drives as competent, and probably wouldn't pay for enterprise SSDs for web/mail
[19:30] <xalyy> And what you think which is better for: 10 VPS under a dedicated server, a 2x 128GB SSD or 1TB HDD?
[19:30] <directhex> 2x128 configured how, and which devices exactly?
[19:31] <xalyy> What you mean?
[19:31] <directhex> not all SSDs are equal
[19:31] <xalyy> Well yeah
[19:31] <directhex> and how would you have those SSDs set up? e.g. RAID?
[19:31] <xalyy> I not know the manufactuer, the dedicated hosting does not wrote on his website :D
[19:31] <xalyy> I have to ask this
[19:32] <xalyy> RAID?
[19:32] <xalyy> Its not a security thing?
[19:33] <directhex> jesus really? pretty sure they teach about raid in basic computing qualifications in high school
[19:33] <xalyy> Ohh data redundancy and performance improvement
[19:33] <xalyy> Got it :D
[19:34] <xalyy> So both SSD and HDD need at least RAID 1?
[19:34] <directhex> IMHO yes
[19:34] <directhex> drives fail.
[19:34] <xalyy> How can I check the RAID of my current dedicated?
[19:34] <directhex> question is how your customers will feel if a drive fails and you have no way to get them going again
[19:34] <xalyy> Because having problems with the VPS's, I mean I started installing 2-3 VPS at a time and it slowwssss
[19:34] <directhex> um... lspci might indicate whether there's a hardware raid controller installed
[19:35] <xalyy> Okay
[19:35] <xalyy> Ty :D
[19:35] <xalyy> And
[19:35] <directhex> e.g.
[19:35] <directhex> root@handi:~# lspci | grep RAID
[19:35] <directhex> 04:00.0 RAID bus controller: 3ware Inc 9650SE SATA-II RAID PCIe (rev 01)
[19:36] <xalyy> But wait
[19:36] <xalyy> The lag is because of the HDD is not enough powerful?
[19:36] <xalyy> Or does not have raid?
[19:36] <directhex> i don't have enough data to answer you.
[19:36] <xalyy> What you need? :D
[19:37] <directhex> lspci | grep RAID
[19:37] <xalyy> Nothing
[19:38] <directhex> hm
[19:38] <directhex> pvdisplay?
[19:39] <ali1234> directhex: have you ever used cgroups in anger?
[19:39] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/42ca34b64c7f2e86306b08fe8c4c9dab.png
[19:39] <directhex> ali1234, no... i've used hardware cpusets on sgi altix though!
[19:39] <ali1234> it seems like it has the ability to limit the amount of physical memory used by a group
[19:39] <xalyy> I think its a toshiba 1tb HDD
[19:39] <directhex> xalyy, that's a single drive, then. no redundancy, no failure recovery
[19:40] <xalyy> So?
[19:41] <directhex> xalyy, well, if the drive goes wrong then your server and every VPS is gone forever, unless you have a decent backup solution in place
[19:41] <directhex> xalyy, and one spinning disk isn't very fast, for I/O intensive stuff
[19:41] <xalyy> Wait but this disk runs atleast 7200 RPM nah?
[19:42] <directhex> xalyy, look at it this way, if you have 10 VPS then you have 1/10 of that disk available per VPS, if they're all busy
[19:42] <xalyy> Ohh
[19:42] <xalyy> And what is the solution? :S
[19:43] <xalyy> RAID?
[19:49] <directhex> RAID won't speed up writes. it'll speed up reads, though
[19:50] <xalyy> So
[19:50] <xalyy> What do I have to do, to get all good :D
[19:51] <xalyy> I mean hosting 10 VPS what is the requirements?
[19:51] <directhex> well, it all depends on your expectations
[19:52] <directhex> what you have right now is a single bit of spinning rust. it's fine as long as you don't have any IO-heavy requirements - fine for email, fine for web hosting, fine for IRC
[19:52] <xalyy> Well I said I have now 3 running and if I start 2 more install then thoose two installs really slowly
[19:52] <directhex> crap for compiling software
[19:52] <directhex> well, installing is pretty IO heavy
[19:53] <directhex> try installing/running iotop on the host. it's a console-based disk usage monitor
[19:54] <xalyy> apt-get install iotop? :D
[19:55] <directhex> actually, let's try iostat
[19:55] <directhex> run "iostat 5" on the host. every 5 seconds it'll refresh a view of disk activity on all your disks
[19:55] <directhex> the first column is disk name, then "tps" is "transactions per second" (i.e. individual IO operations), which will be max 100 on one 7200rpm disk
[19:56] <shauno> if I knew what was good for me I'd keep quiet, but I gotta point out that if you're io-bound installing 2 or 3 instances, you may not have happy customers at 10+ instances
[19:56] <xalyy> Wait
[19:56] <xalyy> How do I run that?
[19:56] <directhex> "iostat 5"
[19:57] <xalyy> -bash: iostat: command not found
[19:58] <directhex> sysstat package.
[19:59] <xalyy> Exactly what does this do?
[19:59] <xalyy> the iOSstat
[20:00] <directhex> it just extracts a snapshot of current & historic IO usage from the kernel, in an easy to read form
[20:02] <xalyy> Okay, sorry for the silly questions, I am doing this the first time I not counted about HDD problems when I opened my host, I wanted to provide cheap and reliable VPS for poor people :S
[20:03] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/2adddf3151998f4ff57848756faca877.png
[20:03] <xalyy> What is the diagnosis?
[20:06] <directhex> yeah, so the tps column, like i said, is the important one
[20:06] <directhex> and your limit is about 100, give or take, with your arrangement
[20:07] <directhex> each of the dm-X entries is the virtual disk from a VPS
[20:07] <directhex> so you can see that post-install, the VPSes are quiet. but during install, one VPS can max out the disk, making the server slow for everyone else
[20:08] <xalyy> But wait
[20:08] <xalyy> Its now 63% load?
[20:08] <xalyy> And 100% is max?
[20:08] <directhex> although note it says 82% idle as well
[20:09] <directhex> balancing IO is complicated
[20:09] <xalyy> Is it possible that I made wrong the VPS's?
[20:09] <directhex> keep that window open whilst installing another VPS.
[20:09] <xalyy> I used IDE
[20:09] <xalyy> I mean
[20:09] <xalyy> if I use IDE and my host HDD is SATA
[20:09] <xalyy> then its bad?
[20:11] <directhex> you didn't use IDE.
[20:11] <directhex> well
[20:11] <directhex> you may have done on the virtual disks, but that's largely irrelevant
[20:11] <directhex> you could probably have gotten some speed improvement by using virtio for the virtual disk, though
[20:11] <xalyy> By the way I am using Proxmox for VE
[20:12] <xalyy> Ok
[20:12] <xalyy> And what you say windows server 2012 or 2008 is better for 1 Core 2GB ram VPS's?
[20:12] <xalyy> Not really sure you are a windows master :D
[20:17] <directhex> i know nothing about windows server.
[20:17] <shauno> eh, either comes with 'core' flavours.  but windows licences are going to eat into your 'cheap'
[20:17] <directhex> i think physically you will still be constrained by trying to chop one server into eleven servers & expecting no bottlenecks
[20:18] <xalyy> Ok
[20:18] <xalyy> And what about IP's
[20:18] <xalyy> How can I assign unique IP for every VPS?
[20:19] <xalyy> Because I got the same IP for every VPS
[20:19] <xalyy> The hosts ip
[20:19] <shauno> your provider is going to have to give you a bunch of IPs.  at the moment they're all sharing one, and one's all you have to share
[20:20] <xalyy> Umm, IPv6 is good?
[20:20] <directhex> IPv6 is fine, but most people can't talk IPv6 yet
[20:21] <shauno> it's a plus, but the market for people that'll take v6 alone is very, very small
[20:21] <xalyy> So its good or not :D
[20:21] <directhex> e.g. no major UK ISP is setting up IPv6-capable equipment for its customers, so anyone wanting to access a 6-only server needs to configure their computer to do it
[20:21] <xalyy> My dedicated not have enabled DHCP so probably better than ipv4?
[20:21] <shauno> xalyy, do you have v6 at home?
[20:22] <xalyy> ipv4
[20:22] <shauno> so if you were one of your own customers, you wouldn't be able to reach a v6-only vps either?
[20:22] <xalyy> Ohh :D
[20:22] <xalyy> Ok
[20:22] <directhex> you can't talk to a v6-only server from a v4-only client, unless you reconfigure your computer to use a tunnel
[20:22] <xalyy> Just asking because 11 IPv4 is 5.5$ cost
[20:22] <directhex> also, try http://test-ipv6.com/ in a browser
[20:22] <xalyy> And 60 ipv6 is the same price
[20:23] <xalyy> Ok I go with ipv4
[20:23] <xalyy> But how to set up the IP's when I got it?
[20:23] <xalyy> Exactly what I have to do?
[20:23] <xalyy> I have to do something in proxmox?
[20:24] <directhex> i have no idea about proxmox
[20:24] <xalyy> Ok
[20:25] <xalyy> Disk image format? Which is the fastest? QEMU, Vmware or RAW DISK
[20:25] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/542f24441f4470648fcfc6c0a5723e6b.png
[20:26] <directhex> there's not much in it.
[20:26] <directhex> i use raw, personally
[20:27] <xalyy> But no differencies between them?
[20:27] <xalyy> So its not matter
[20:29] <neuro> ok, it is officially cold
[20:30] <neuro> i am not liking col
[20:30] <neuro> d
[20:31] <neuro> i'm still trying to figure out why tesco send me two copies of an order confirmation
[20:32] <shauno> this isn't cold :p
[20:32] <neuro> tell that to my hands
[20:32] <shauno> hands: this ain't cold
[20:32] <neuro> they don't believe you
[20:33] <ali1234> how do i configure my server for ipv6?
[20:33] <xalyy> Ok
[20:33] <neuro> with care :)
[20:34] <shauno> same way as v6, really.  a smattering of knowledge of how your provider is providing it
[20:34] <shauno> er, as v4, rather
[20:34] <ali1234> i have an inet6 addr but it says Scope:Link
[20:34] <ali1234> the provider claims to support ipv6
[20:34] <ali1234> the server is running ubuntu precise
[20:35] <neuro> you still need the gateway, subnet, etc
[20:35] <shauno> yeah, you'll have an fe80..something address just for having it available in the kernel
[20:35] <ali1234> so, where do i even start?
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: didn't you just buy an ASUS router? http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/
[20:35]  * neuro still finds it amusing to set a IP address to ..::dead:beef
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ::babe:face
[20:36] <neuro> ali1234: getting the details your le hosting types would be a good start
[20:36] <shauno> I find it amusing to have proper reverse-dns for everything in the house
[20:36] <neuro> shauno: pain in the bum though
[20:37] <neuro> f.3.a.5.1.6.a.5.6.a.b.<IP_ADDRESS>.c.1.6.d.1.5.aaaaargh
[20:37] <shauno> ipv6calc --out revnibbles.arpa 2001:db8::1
[20:38] <neuro> what the deuce ...
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> ipv6calc++
[20:38] <shauno> if you're doing it by hand, you should have a sadface
[20:39] <neuro> i do have a sadface
[20:40] <xalyy> Whats this? http://gyazo.com/b0b2690984e3a9085b75bfa5f4332449.png
[20:40] <neuro> omg that's awesome
[20:40] <neuro> that's stupidly awesome
[20:40] <shauno> +1 for learning, -10 for repetition
[20:40] <neuro> WHY HAVE I BEEN DOING THIS BY HAND
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: that's a dropdown box where you can select the RAID controller the virtual machine sees
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: keep it on virtio unless you know what you're doing (still not reading the docs, are you?)
[20:41] <neuro> xalyy: it's a PNG image file, a newer image format which is better than GIF
[20:41] <xalyy> :DD
[20:41] <xalyy> Docs docs. But it not helps me to decide which is better for host :S or am I wrong Marin?
[20:41] <xalyy> Martin*
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: Sure it does.
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: Docs describe how a piece of software works. If you can't understand them, it might not be for you ;)
[20:42] <neuro> hehe
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Or, you might need to learn a bit about the underlying concepts first :)
[20:42] <neuro> what are we doing, anyway?
[20:42] <xalyy> Could you help me to choose? Its night :D
[20:42]  * neuro reads back
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: read back several days then ;)
[20:43] <neuro> vps config?
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I think so
[20:43] <neuro> when i buy from joe random vm provider, i usually just stick with their default configs
[20:43] <shauno> commercial-vps-provider through the eyes of someone who has ... good intentions
[20:44] <xalyy> So Im on the Hard disk phrase VIRTIO format QEMU Cache Default
[20:44] <neuro> i must admit, i'm loving the crap out of ec2 at the moment
[20:44] <xalyy> Good?
[20:45] <shauno> I don't really have scalable loads, so ec2 isn't cost-effective
[20:45] <neuro> the new python based aws tools are epic
[20:45] <neuro> way way better (and faster) than the old java ones
[20:45] <xalyy> http://gyazo.com/e1a61318be3231e0c6c5af0276e51379.png anything I have to change here?
[20:45] <neuro> wait, we're configuring a windows vm?
[20:45] <neuro> in an ubuntu channel?
[20:45] <neuro> okaaaaay ...
[20:45] <xalyy> Yess :D!
[20:46] <shauno> a windows guest in a .. something else host
[20:46] <neuro> eeshk
[20:46] <neuro> and i get shouted at for talking about macs in here ... ;)
[20:46] <xalyy> Why, the host is still ubuntu, or not?  And no response
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: did you read the "smart questions" link earlier today?
[20:47] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: because that might work on them
[20:48] <ali1234> probably not though
[20:48] <neuro> smart questions don't work on me
[20:48] <ali1234> most irc channels are dead
[20:48] <neuro> because i'm not smart
[20:48] <neuro> duh
[20:48] <neuro> IRC IS TEH DEDZOR?!
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Neuro Gump?
[20:48] <ali1234> there's usually about one active person for every 20-30 idlers
[20:48] <neuro> MartijnVdS: VMs are like a box of chocolates
[20:48] <neuro> if you run them too hard, they'll melt
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Run Neuro, Run!
[20:48] <xalyy> So
[20:49] <neuro> *cue inspiring Alan Silvestri score*
[20:49] <ali1234> i have no idea why so many people feel the need to idle on channels and then never ever speak
[20:49] <xalyy> Can we get back to business guys? :)
[20:49] <neuro> ali1234: because it's good netiquette
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> *cue video of Neuro running*
[20:49] <neuro> lurk before engaging
[20:49] <ali1234> no
[20:49] <neuro> MartijnVdS: that would be an AWFUL video
[20:49] <neuro> and very short too
[20:49] <ali1234> that's usenet
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> neuro: sure but if the channel is *always* silent, lurking doesn't help
[20:49] <neuro> like 15 seconds of running, 5 minutes of wheezing and coughing, and 2 minutes of marlboro smoking
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> it's the same here though
[20:49] <ali1234> on irc you practically have to troll people to even get a "hello"
[20:50] <xalyy> But why is that a problem if I set up a windows vm on ubuntu? :(
[20:50] <neuro> i'm not saying it's a problem
[20:50] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: there is no problem (make sure you have all the licenses), but we don't have much (if any) experience
[20:50] <neuro> but i'm not sure ... yeah, that
[20:50] <xalyy> You mean no hosting experience?
[20:51] <neuro> how many people in a channel of Ubuntu users do you really expect to have solid experience with win2k8
[20:51] <neuro> i'm not saying it's impossible
[20:51] <neuro> but it's unlikely
[20:51] <xalyy> But I tried to search something on the internet like How to start a VPS business or something but not found exact guides or tutorials...
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: I have plenty of hosting experience, just not of Windows VMs, and also, it will take so long to explain that I'd rather not bother on IRC
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: I learned it from the docs + trying
[20:52] <shauno> or people with windows-server experience that aren't so traumatized by it that they're willing to do it for kicks & giggles at home/spare time too
[20:52] <neuro> step 1 in starting a VPS business: learn how to build and manage vps hosts
[20:52] <neuro> gotta walk before you can run
[20:52] <neuro> RUN, NEURO, RUN ... *shakes fist at MartijnVdS*
[20:52] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[20:53] <xalyy> Okay
[20:53] <shauno> isn't it "skate silly fast" for Martijn this week?  or is he the only dutchie left that didn't take a medal for it =x
[20:53] <neuro> you should look into scaleable ways to create and start VMs on a host
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Several more to come ;)
[20:53] <neuro> i'm pretty sure a GUI or web interface is not scaleable for a business
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> shauno: tomorrow & wednesday
[20:54] <xalyy> You know what? I set up a time counter and count how many times does need 1 VPS to install with VIRTIO and VIRTIO SCSI then with SATA and VIRTIO SCSI then with SATA AND DEFAULT SCSI
[20:54] <xalyy> Then with two VPS with same
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: be sure to install the right virtio drivers in windows
[20:54] <shauno> oh I don't doubt it.  I accidentally caught some on tv yesterday.  the ladies' 1500m.  russia managed to take 5th place, because there was only 4 dutchies
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that race was great :)
[20:54] <ali1234> i've been watching the curling
[20:55] <ali1234> USA really sucks at curling, lol
[20:55] <neuro> ha yeah
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: UK was half/half as well
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> against Norway
[20:55] <shauno> I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to most of it, but I was in a hotel the last few days, and the olympics is just as watchable in any language
[20:55] <neuro> curling = teh awesome
[20:55] <neuro> also, eve muirhead
[20:56] <ali1234> over all we are doing okay
[20:56] <neuro> i forgot to watch the snowboard cross tho
[20:59] <dutchie> only 4 whats
[21:00] <shauno> lol, sorry, forgot about you
[21:00] <dutchie> :'(
[21:01] <xalyy> Exactly
[21:01] <xalyy> What TPS means?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: In which context?
[21:02] <neuro> new cover sheet?
[21:02] <xalyy> iOSstat 5
[21:02] <neuro> did you get the memo?
[21:02] <xalyy> directhex said
[21:02] <xalyy> this is the command to check the HDD
[21:03] <neuro> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iostat+tps
[21:03] <xalyy> Easy :P
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> xalyy: "man iostat" will also tell you all about it
[21:05] <xalyy> Ty mah man
[21:05] <ali1234> http://wheeldesign.blogspot.se/2014/02/monday-report-3.html
[21:05] <ali1234> i like how they are defining the design
[21:05] <ali1234> but there's a problem with the way they've defined transparency
[21:05] <neuro> that's purty
[21:06] <ali1234> namely they've used multiply transparency, when nearly all toolkits use additive transparency
[21:06] <ali1234> multiply looks better of course, but is far more computationally expensive
[21:06] <neuro> but cpu is teh cheap :)
[21:06] <ali1234> it's done on the GPU...
[21:07] <neuro> but gpu is teh cheap :D
[21:07] <ali1234> i don't think GPUs can do this type of transparency in hardware without a custom shader
[21:07] <neuro> i admit though that i think kde is a hot mess
[21:07] <neuro> so they'd need to knock something out that's pretty amazing to impress me
[21:07] <ali1234> it is at the moment definitely
[21:07] <ali1234> yeah
[21:08] <neuro> then again, no UNIX DE really impresses me other than OS X
[21:08] <neuro> which is a shame
[21:08] <MartijnVdS> neuro: Now you're just hating on twm
[21:08] <neuro> true, i am
[21:08] <neuro> hey, i grew up with openlook :)
[21:08] <ali1234> i'd settle for something that doesn't try too hard
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ah, so it's a deep-rooted hatred :)
[21:09] <MooDoo> evening all
[21:09] <neuro> not hatred :)
[21:09] <neuro> evenin
[21:09] <ali1234> there is nothing worse than software that doesn't know it's own strengths and weaknesses
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> neuro: disappointment?
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: did you see that link I sent you earlier?
[21:09] <neuro> MartijnVdS: wistful yearning
[21:09] <ali1234> KDE is probably the worst at doing that too
[21:10] <neuro> agreed
[21:10] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: not sure what was it about?
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/dear-asus-router-user-youve-been-pwned-thanks-to-easily-exploited-flaw/
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: ASUS routers
[21:10] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: oh brilliant lol
[21:10]  * neuro hugs his pfsense router running in an ESXi VM
[21:11]  * MartijnVdS hugs his TP-Link TL-WDR4300 with OpenWRT ;)
[21:11] <MooDoo> just checking it out
[21:13] <neuro> wow, my stomach just made the most unbelievable grumbly noise at me
[21:13] <neuro> i haven't eaten today
[21:13] <neuro> i really should
[21:13] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ah new firmware upgrade
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> Synology owners: also upgrade *now* (I got an email from them today saying that older firmwares have remotely exploitable holes)
[21:15] <shauno> neuro: didn't you come with a manual?  I'm pretty sure this is mentioned in the maintenance cycle
[21:15] <neuro> tch, who reads the manual?!
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> \o
[21:16] <neuro> apart from you
[21:16] <MartijnVdS> but only after it breaks
[21:16] <shauno> I read the manual if I buy something in the real world.  it makes the ride home with a new toy you can't use yet a little more interesting
[21:17] <MartijnVdS> that doesn't work on the *drive* home though
[21:17] <neuro> when i bought my new telly, i made sure to read the wee leaflet thingy to make sure i put the stand on correctly
[21:17] <neuro> but after that, random button pushing ahoy!
[21:17] <shauno> drive home?  I'm european :p
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> neuro: http://imgur.com/LMPFfcs
[21:18] <neuro> DEXTER \o/
[21:18] <neuro> DEE DEE NOOOOOOOOO!
[21:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: so am I.. but they've been steadily dropping the number of bus lines in my town
[21:19] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: I'm ok
[21:19] <neuro> good, because buses SUCK
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: \o/
[21:19] <shauno> I've been having this problem with sundays.  thanks to my work schedule, I never know what day it is until I realise it's been 40 minutes and still no bus
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> neuro: Buses are on time more often than trains
[21:20] <neuro> trains suck even more!
[21:20] <neuro> shauno: hehe
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> neuro: buses are way cheaper than parking
[21:20] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: it only affected routers of people who attached usb drives to it and had left the FTP option enabled as it was at default.
[21:20] <shauno> I gotta say, .cz/.sk, public transport is amazing
[21:20] <neuro> you need one of those bus app thingies
[21:20] <MartijnVdS> (in Amsterdam)
[21:20] <neuro> MartijnVdS: depends where you park
[21:20] <neuro> ah right
[21:20] <neuro> yeah amsterdam does suck for cars
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Ah, well.. it's good to make sure you're not vulnerable ;)
[21:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/526942
[21:21] <neuro> right, i needs teh fods
[21:21] <shauno> bratislava to budapest by train, e17.50 return
[21:21] <neuro> teh noms have got me
[21:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: makes me think now though lol
[21:21] <neuro> HOW MUCH
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> €17,50. About £17,50 in your moeny
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> money*
[21:22]  * neuro larts MartijnVdS
[21:22] <shauno> I think it's about 15gbp atm
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno: sure. but you pay a conversion fee ;)
[21:22] <neuro> i was expressing surprise at the cheapness, not requesting an exchange rate calculation :)
[21:22] <neuro> costs about 12 quid to get from here to edinburgh
[21:22] <shauno> bratislava to vienna was about 15eur too, but that got my a day-pass on vienna's public transport too
[21:23] <neuro> so glad i work from home
[21:23] <neuro> anyway
[21:23] <neuro> noms
[21:23] <neuro> tootles
[21:23] <shauno> although I did find funny, the same trip is much more expensive the other way around.  exactly the same train costs much more if you buy in vienna
[21:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: same reason why shipping stuff to china is expensive, but getting stuff from china costs next to nothing (except for customs/vat/etc.)
[21:25] <shauno> but even the bus/tram/trolly are decent.  I really like the thing of buying the ticket at the stop instead of from the driver.  they're quite militant about stopping for 15-20 seconds and then leaving
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> sounds like Frankfurt
[21:38] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: OMG the amount of people that have the problem with the asus, you can just FTP to their drives and see all their contents :S
[21:43] <MooDoo> thanks to MartijnVdS any one else use Asus routers here?
[21:45] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: thanks - http://www.paulmellors.net/asus-routers/
[21:49] <diddledan> MooDoo: <ipaddress> is not html-escaped :-)
[21:50] <diddledan> it reads: "type ftp:// and see if you can see your files"
[21:52] <MooDoo> diddledan: I just mean just replace that with your IP :p
[21:53] <MooDoo> it's still amazing
[21:53] <diddledan> MooDoo: yeah but it's invalid html
[21:53] <diddledan> MooDoo: <ipaddress> is treated as a tag and therefore not shown
[21:53] <MooDoo> ah get you
[21:54] <shauno> did I just see sensible input from diddledan?  o_O
[21:55] <MooDoo> diddledan: ok thanks
[21:55] <MooDoo> diddledan: changed, but wow, lots of content out there on unpatched routers :S
[22:54] <Laney> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=299243643562580&set=a.163391843814428.38199.163388563814756&type=1&theater
[22:55] <bigcalm> What the heck?
[23:00] <Laney> :D
[23:46] <popey> haha
[23:46] <popey> thats brilliant


[06:41]  * Elbrus wants to upload a fix in raring for his package cacti (Debian bug 702690 http://bugs.debian.org/702690)
[06:41] <ubot2`> Debian bug 702690 in cacti "cacti: Multilevel tree doesn't work with jstree in 0.8.8a+dfsg-3" [Normal,Open]
[06:41] <Elbrus> documentation suggest that a freeze exception is needed
[06:41] <infinity> Elbrus: No exception needed if it's just a bug fix.
[06:42] <Elbrus> ok
[06:42] <Elbrus> upload to raring or raring-proposed?
[06:42] <infinity> Upload to Debian, ideally, and then sync it.
[06:43] <Elbrus> via experimental is still fine?
[06:43] <infinity> Yup.
[06:43] <Elbrus> ok, I will do it that way then
[06:43] <infinity> Though, don't you want the fix in unstable?
[06:44] <infinity> Or is the bug only when mixed with experimental packages?
[06:45] <infinity> Elbrus: Anyhow, however you choose to upload it to Debian, if you're not an Ubuntu developer (are you?), just poke me when it's in Debian, and I'll sync it.
[06:46] <infinity> If you are an Ubuntu developer, just run 'syncpackage -d experimental cacti' after giving LP a bit of time to learn about the Debian upload.
[07:00] <Elbrus> infinity: I have upload rights for cacti
[07:01] <Elbrus> and I am still wondering if I should bother the RT in Debian with this fix, as it is major annoyance for large sites, but I don't think release critical
[07:01] <Elbrus> nevertheless, I like to fix this in Ubuntu.
[07:13] <infinity> Elbrus: Well, uploading to unstable doesn't mean you HAVE to bother the RT with it, if you don't care about it being in wheezy. :P
[07:14] <infinity> Elbrus: But experimental works too, your package, your call.
[07:14] <Elbrus> infinity: exactly, but it is what I was doubting about
[07:15]  * Elbrus likes to keep unstable available for RC bug fixes as he has done with most of his other packages, he uses experimental for Ubuntu stuff now.
[07:15] <infinity> Yeah, I've been doing similar.  Can't wait for wheezy to release.
[07:15] <infinity> So I can break the world with the new glibc for jessie. :P
[07:16] <Elbrus> me too
[07:16] <Elbrus> just a ignorant question: until when is it appropriate for ME to improve the cacti package in raring?
[07:17] <Elbrus> I have several (annoyance) bug fixes in the pipe-line
[07:17] <Elbrus> nothing big
[07:17] <infinity> It's a universe package, we don't formally freeze universe until right before release, really.
[07:17] <Elbrus> ok
[07:18] <Elbrus> so if I want to get the blame, I can continue until release ;)
[07:18] <infinity> But, from the POV of getting a bit of testing and being a responsible uploader, if I were you, I'd set a personal deadline of "a couple of weeks before release, except for critical fixes" or similar.
[07:18] <Elbrus> not that I would want that though
[07:18] <Elbrus> right. So that would be until NOW.
[07:19] <infinity> Or a week or two from now, yeah.
[07:19] <infinity> But if you have a bunch of stuff queued up, I'd just do it all now so you have time to notice all the ways you messed up and upload a fix or two. ;)
[07:21] <Elbrus> cacti is uploading to unstable now
[07:21] <Elbrus> how long does it take before LP learns about it?
[07:21] <infinity> An hour or two after dinstall, IIRC.
[07:22] <infinity> And I don't remember when dinstall is, so that wasn't a helpful answer.
[07:22] <Elbrus> :)
[07:22] <Elbrus> but thanks anyway
[09:31] <Riddell> hmm, where's the style sheet gone? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[09:40] <Riddell> ah hah, missing semi colon
[09:57] <ogra_> hmm, cadejo.buildd looks unhapppy today
[09:59] <ogra_> oh, and foyal.buildd seems to be even unhappier
[09:59] <ogra_> *royal
[10:16] <cjwatson> Riddell: whoops, thanks.  deployed.
[12:01] <Riddell> where are we in beta testing?  cron disabled but nothing on the iso tracker?
[12:02] <Riddell> oh it's probably a holiday in various christian countries so maybe not much happening today, I'll just do some smoke testing
[12:45] <cjwatson> Riddell: cron's still enabled
[12:46] <cjwatson> allegedly ... not sure why e.g. no Ubuntu Desktop or Kubuntu images
[12:46] <Riddell> not even logs
[12:47]  * ogra_ only sees failures for cadejo and royal builds
[12:47] <ogra_> *empty failures
[12:47] <ogra_> royal seems to be completely dead though, which would explain it
[12:50] <cjwatson> there are livefs logs - but ah yes, a bunch of builds stuck on ssh to royal
[12:51] <cjwatson> cdimage@nusakan:~$ ps xf | grep --count 'ssh.*royal'
[12:51] <cjwatson> 16
[12:51] <ogra_> yep
[12:51] <cjwatson> ogra_: lots of this in cron mail:
[12:51] <cjwatson> /home/ogra/sync-phablet-images: 34: [: -gt: unexpected operator
[12:52] <ogra_> cjwatson, oops, i'll quieten it ....
[12:53] <ogra_> the IBS team changed the IP of the jenkins machine over the weekend ... so it became unreachable from nusakan ...
[12:53] <cjwatson> I've killed all the ssh processes waiting for royal
[12:53] <ogra_> RT is filed, but i guess IS will need its time
[12:53] <cjwatson> but it'll still need to be cleaned up at the otehr end
[12:54] <cjwatson> ogra_: did you already ask IS about royal?
[12:54] <ogra_> nope
[12:54] <cjwatson> I'll do that then
[12:54] <ogra_> only noticed it's dead very  recently
[12:54] <ogra_> (i dont tend to look at ppc builds)
[12:55] <cjwatson> haven't asked about cadejo, I'll let you chase that down :)
[12:56] <ogra_> heh, k
[12:56] <cjwatson> cadejo's in a different state - e.g. it's responding to HTTP
[12:56] <ogra_> right, might be a dangling lock again, let me do a manual build ... thats usually the quickest way to find out
[12:58] <cjwatson> lockfile: Try praying, giving up on "/home/buildd/buildLiveCD.lock"
[12:58] <cjwatson> ubuntu-server-armhf-omap on cadejo.buildd finished at 2013-04-01 06:29:02 (failed)
[12:58] <cjwatson> from a cron mail
[12:58] <ogra_> ah, thx
[12:59] <ogra_> yeah, the usual issue
[12:59] <ogra_> OH !
[12:59]  * ogra_ looks at the crontab ... is buildlive now an automatic part of for-project ?
[12:59] <cjwatson> cron.* but yes
[12:59] <ogra_> can i still call it manually separately ?
[12:59] <cjwatson> Yes
[12:59] <ogra_> good
[13:00] <cjwatson> It simplified the crontab a lot though
[13:00] <ogra_> yeah, just noticed
[13:00] <cjwatson> And at some point I'll make the stdout from buildlive go into the cd-build-logs
[13:00] <cjwatson> Which will make it a bit more accessible
[13:00] <ogra_> ++
[13:00] <cjwatson> That'll be a matter of pushing it down into cdimage.build
[13:02] <cjwatson> Some of the invocations changed, but mostly only for niche images
[13:04] <cjwatson> Actually, no, changed for everything
[13:04] <ogra_> sync-phablet-images shoudll exit 1 now if it cant reach jenkins
[13:05] <cjwatson> buildlive ubuntu daily-live => for-project ubuntu buildlive daily-live
[13:05] <cjwatson> buildlive was always anomalous so I made its interface more regular
[13:06] <ogra_> oh, no vanguard ?
[13:06] <ogra_> so i guess it will need an RT for cadejo to get sorted
[13:08] <cjwatson> ask on #webops, somebody will probably notice at some point
[13:08] <ogra_> ok
[13:16] <rtg_> so what's the story on this beta freeze? I've got a nice fat stable kernel update ready to go for raring.
[15:13] <bdmurray> slangasek: should wubi still be listed as a test case in the iso testing tracker?
[15:16] <stgraber> bdmurray: did we announce we were dropping wubi yet?
[15:16] <bdmurray> stgraber: no, I haven't seen that announcement from slanagsek yet
[15:17] <stgraber> bdmurray: good. I have an action to remove it from the tracker and turn off the needed bits on nusakan once the announcement is out, but there's no reason to do this any earlier
[15:17] <stgraber> would probably be a good idea to get the announcement out before beta-2 though
[15:27] <ogra_> stgraber, iirc steve is off today
[15:27] <ogra_> so wont happen before tomorrow
[15:28] <ogra_> (there was a mail)
[15:28] <stgraber> ogra_: right, tomorrow should still be good enough for beta2
[15:29] <stgraber> ogra_: I've got a call with Steve and a few other release members tomorrow, will make sure it's mentioned there and taken care of this week
[15:29] <ogra_> great !
[15:30] <ogra_> (the sooner we get rid of wubi the better)
[17:22] <balloons> how's things looking for final beta milestone?
[17:31] <stgraber> I'm suspecting quite a few people are still enjoying a long easter weekend and we'll only know more tomorrow. Though the archive is frozen, so things shouldn't at least get any worse than they are currently ;)
[17:38] <balloons> stgraber, :-) Just wanting to make sure it's up before 2200 UTC tomorrow.. We're having a testing event.. We do need images for it ;-)
[17:39] <stgraber> should be. I think infinity is still on vacation today but should be back tomorrow (he's the release/cdimage contat for beta2)
[17:39] <balloons> excellent.. :-)
[17:39]  * tumbleweed catches up on FFes and attempts to be a more useful team member
[17:41] <Elbrus> infinity: you still here?
[17:41] <Elbrus> I just tried to sync cacti, but I got a "syncpackage: Error: HTTP Error 400: Bad Request"
[17:42] <tumbleweed> Elbrus: pastebin?
[17:42] <Elbrus> I also see cacti in the line here at 19:07
[17:42] <tumbleweed> oh, right, was that the version you wanted to sync?
[17:42] <Elbrus> http://pastebin.com/H2JqR7LZ
[17:43] <tumbleweed> still, LP should allow two identical syncs in the queue
[17:43] <Elbrus> tumbleweed: yes
[17:43] <Elbrus> might be permissions? I got mine just recently, it is the first time I try
[17:43] <tumbleweed> no, look at line 11
[17:43] <tumbleweed> looks like your syncpackage is too old. you can work around that with -r raring-proposed
[17:44] <Elbrus> aha, ok, so indeed raring-proposed is the right place. How are they synced to raring itself? time without bugs?
[17:44] <Elbrus> or by the release team
[17:45] <tumbleweed> we have a briteny
[17:45] <Elbrus> right
[17:45] <tumbleweed> *britney
[17:45] <Elbrus> understood
[17:46] <Elbrus> but I guess the sync is already requested? or did that line at 19:07 mean it didn't go well?
[17:46] <tumbleweed> no, it's in the queue, wating to be accepted by a release team member. The archive is frozen
[17:47] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue?queue_state=1
[17:47] <Elbrus> ah, great.
[17:48] <Elbrus> this morning I understood that frozen in Ubuntu was different (from my Debian perspective) in universe
[17:48] <tumbleweed> Feature Freeze doesn't imply a frozen archive
[17:48] <ScottK> Elbrus: It's mostly different in how hard we look at it before accepting.
[18:05] <infinity> Elbrus: I synced it, sorry for the confusion. :P
[18:05] <Elbrus> infinity: no problem, I was just looking forward to my first Ubuntu sync :)
[18:06] <tumbleweed> work faster!
[18:09] <ScottK> After all, if Ubuntu doesn't stand for sacrificing quality for speed, what does it stand for?
[18:12] <tumbleweed> :)
[18:22] <infinity> ScottK: Surely, we can have out cake and eat it too by sacrificing both.
[18:22] <infinity> s/out/our/
[18:23] <ScottK> Right.  It's the sacrificing speed part that the release team is responsible for.
[18:23] <ScottK> Just say no.
[18:31] <rtg_> infinity, can I sacrifice some stability by uploading a new kernel? lots of 3.8.5 stable update goodness.
[18:44] <infinity> rtg_: Upload away, I'd rather have it tested in the beta than landing after.
[18:44] <infinity> ScottK: Can you accept Tim's kernel when he uploads, I have to run off to the doctor.
[18:44] <rtg_> infinity, coming your way in a bit then....
[18:44] <infinity> stgraber: Or you ^
[19:12] <ScottK> stgraber: You going to do it ^^^ ?
[19:14] <stgraber> ScottK: yep, I'll take care of it
[19:18] <rtg_> stgraber, linux, linux-meta, and linux-signed are all uploaded.
[19:18] <stgraber> rtg_: thanks
[19:21] <ScottK> stgraber: Thanks.
[19:52] <stgraber> rtg_: all done
[19:52] <rtg_> stgraber, ack, thanks
[19:59] <slangasek> bdmurray, stgraber, ogra_: whoops, sorry - wubi mail sent now
[20:00] <ogra_> ah, welcome back :)
[20:01] <stgraber> slangasek: thanks, I'll take care of updating the QA tracker after the TB meeting
[20:04] <ogra_> slangasek, hmm, given todays date you should probably have waited til tomorrow
[20:04] <slangasek> no, it's not something that should be delayed further
[20:05] <ScottK> And I don't think anyone will be fooled
[20:05] <slangasek> and it's not all that funny, people will just have to use common sense :)
[20:05] <ScottK> That's generally a risky approach (assume common sense)
[20:06] <slangasek> yes, but in this case it's their own problem if they don't, not mine ;P
[20:06] <ScottK> Yeah.  There is that.
[20:18] <bdmurray> I forget is cdromupgrade not being on cds deliberate?
[20:18] <stgraber> bdmurray: I think so, they only really made sense when you could dist-upgrade from the media
[20:18] <stgraber> which you can't anymore
[20:19] <stgraber> well, except for the flavours that kept the alternate media and maybe for server
[20:20] <bdmurray> ah, right I'd forgotten about the alternate bit thanks
[21:08] <infinity> stgraber: Thanks for accepting the kernels.
[21:11] <stgraber> infinity: np, stable kernel updates are easy to review ;)


[00:05] <ale_> hi guys!
[00:08] <ale_> somebody know whats the differences between Ubuntu LTS and Ubuntu simple?
[00:16] <drleviathan> Ubuntu LTS = "Ubuntu long term support"
[00:17] <drleviathan> I think: Ubuntu guarantees security updates and some bug fixes for LTS for three years
[00:18] <drleviathan> each LTS release is in April of even-numbered years, so 16.04 is LTS, and 18.04 will the next LTS
[00:18] <drleviathan> whoops, ale_ isn't even around.  oh well
[09:20] <quantzbeatz> hello?
[09:21] <quantzbeatz> well_laid_lawn i'm back
[09:21] <quantzbeatz> you up?
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> I'm here but a little busy. what's up ?
[09:22] <quantzbeatz> i can't boot up , or even get to the login screen due to a PAM issue ( might be xorg as well idk )
[09:22] <quantzbeatz> lightdm: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:22] <quantzbeatz> this is the error that pops up in /var/log/auth.log
[09:22] <quantzbeatz> lightdm: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_kwallet5.so): /lib/security/pam_kwallet5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:23] <quantzbeatz> i tried rewrapping the passphares ( to my home directory ), i also tried installing kwalletmanager. tried Deleting .Xauthority . none of it worked
[09:24] <quantzbeatz> i see the xubuntu loading scree and then it just starts flashing
[09:24] <quantzbeatz> the way i did all of that was by booting into a live cd and chrooting into the system
[09:27] <quantzbeatz> any help is appreciated
[09:28] <bazhang> quantzbeatz, please don't crosspost to multiple channels
[09:28] <quantzbeatz> bazhang: sorry
[15:24] <xubuntu77i> Hi guys! Just joined to say I am installing xubuntu in a very old pc after more than ten years with kde and kubuntu!
[15:25] <xubuntu77i> And I am already at the 5th time I am attempting to install it because every time or the installation gets stuck or I get some kernel panic error in the init :D
[15:27] <Wakka> I'll come quite often in this group though, so...hope you won't course me :P
[15:43] <crond> Wait, why are they installing xubuntu with kde
[15:43] <crond> that's weird.
[15:53] <WaKKa> Hi guys after a fresh installation of xubuntu daily release I keep getting this error: https://www.dropbox.com/s/eyiq4g7xcgaxgbf/IMG_20180211_164813.jpg?dl=0 does anyone can help me figuring out how to solve? The installation is 64bit and my CPU does support it
[15:55] <crond> WaKKa, any particular reason you're using a daily?
[15:56] <WaKKa> I want to be install as much recent as I can since I don't want to update or upgrade anytime soon
[15:56] <crond> and your install is broken, you'll have to reinstall, and I'd make sure your download/image written to usb aren't corrupt.  Re-download 17.10 and use etcher to write it to usb to install
[15:57] <crond> and that's not how it works
[15:57] <crond> you can't just download a daily build and not have to update :)
[15:58] <WaKKa> ...ok...I will try to install the 17.10...can I make a USB pen with unetbootin via xubuntu live according to you?
[15:58] <crond> you should be able to, yes.
[15:59] <WaKKa> Ok I am trying, thank you for the moment crond!
[15:59] <flocculant> WaKKa: hang on
[15:59] <WaKKa> Flocculant: yes?
[16:00] <flocculant> I'd not use unetbootin - half the time it doesn't work ... try that etcher thing if you want or install gnome-disks, they both work fine in my experience
[16:01] <flocculant> and fyi - the daily is probably the worst thing to pick to not have to update ;)
[16:03] <WaKKa> Flocculant: sorry but I didn't understand, how do you suggest to make the usb pen?
[16:03] <WaKKa> This morning I installed the 32bit and worked well...the only problem was so far every program I needed was in 64bit deb
[16:07] <flocculant> use unetbootin then
[16:08] <flocculant> what do you mean 'in 64 bit deb' ? where are you getting things from that you have to choose?
[16:10] <WaKKa> Flocculant: Chrome, atom.io just two examples
[16:11] <WaKKa> Anyway I am downloading the 17.10.1 and trying to install it directly in / via live by unetbootin...finger crossed :D
[16:12] <flocculant> you need to burn it to usb and then install it from there
[17:37] <WaKKa> Hey guys! You were right! Just installed 17.10.1 and works
[17:38] <WaKKa> When the LTS will be out will I be able according to you to upgrade without make the system dirty and slower? That's my concern, that's why my previous kubuntu was the 14.04
[17:43] <crond> Yes, you should be fine doing a dist-upgrade when 18.04 drops.
[17:43] <crond> but that's not til April.
[23:19] <minu77> hi
[23:19] <Unit193> Heya.
[23:22] <xubuntu84d> i cannot install ubuntu-tweak 0.8.7-1 on xubuntu 16.04
[23:24] <xubuntu84d> no support for ubuntu-tweak in xubuntu 16.04
[23:24] <bazhang> gnome-tweak-tool is there
[23:30] <Unit193> I'd question if that's useful on a non-GNOME desktop though.


[04:47] <pleia2> bkerensa: just need the summary for the user surveys (under general)
[04:47] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, pleia2!
[04:48] <pleia2> I'll copy stuff over to the wiki tomorrow and send out the email to our editors so we're all ready monday for release, I need to head to bed now, plus the hotel internet tonight is terrible
[04:48] <pleia2> hey JoseeAntonioR
[04:49] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: I hope you have a good night :) I'll get the translations ready for monday, don't worry
[04:49] <bkerensa> pleia2: ok ill finish that now
[04:49] <pleia2> great, thanks :)
[04:50] <pleia2> thanks bkerensa!
[04:50] <pleia2> have a good night all
[07:27] <nlsthzn> Oh wow... so far all of the summaries have been done... Good job news-team!!!!
[13:38] <pleia2> bkerensa: moving your juju article to Planet, blogosphere shouldn't really have Ubuntu Planet stuff in it because it's supposed to be more objective (bloggers outside the project)
[13:47] <pleia2> ok, everything is moved to the wiki and I've sent a note off to editors
[13:54] <nlsthzn> that was fast
[14:17]  * pleia2 back to vacation
[16:25] <JoseeAntonioR> news team, is akgraner online?
[16:27] <JoseeAntonioR> or maybe dholbach?
[16:28] <nlsthzn> it would seem not...
[17:04] <JoseeAntonioR> UWN translation to Spanish is finished
[17:40] <shever> good <insert local time here> all
[17:40] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, shever! :P
[17:42] <shever> If it's ok with everyone, I'm going to tweak a couple of things in the wiki :)
[17:43] <JoseeAntonioR> shever: I think there's no prob as long as you state the changes
[17:49] <shever> ok...back out again now. No major changes, just cleaned up some grammar and removed redundant words
[17:50] <JoseeAntonioR> great, thanks :)
[18:10] <shever> couple more small changes done. I've changed "try and use Linux" to "try to use..."
[18:19] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, thanks shever :)
[22:04] <shever> ok, I think I'm done. Made a couple more minor edits, but now I'm ready for a glass of Bushmills and an attempt to catch up the hour I lost last night :)
[22:27] <akgraner> Hi all :-)


[13:33] <shakes808> Has anyone dual booted with Windows 10 yet?
[13:33] <shakes808> ... and morning :)
[14:30] <jrwren> does kicking it twice while wearing boots count?
[14:44] <shakes808> jrwren: haha.  wish that was the solution! :)
[14:46] <cmaloney-inexile> This whole "without power" thing is rather annoying
[14:46] <cmaloney-inexile> 54F in the house
[14:46] <jrwren> !!!
[14:46] <brousch__> Get some real infrastructure, n00b
[14:47] <cmaloney-inexile> brousch__: MAybe I need to move in with my parents. They seem to have power
[14:47] <cmaloney-inexile> got it back last night around midnight
[14:48] <brousch__> My sister in Royal Oak also has no power. They are staying with her in-laws
[14:48] <cmaloney-inexile> Yea
[14:49] <cmaloney-inexile> At least we have a beast of a hot water tank
[14:55] <cmaloney-inexile> and back to the world of darkness
[14:55] <cmaloney-inexile> laterness
[23:25] <cmaloney-inexile> Stirrrrrrrr crazy
[23:33] <gamerchick02> why are you in exile, cmaloney-inexile ?
[23:37] <cmaloney-inexile> No power
[23:39] <gamerchick02> oh no
[23:39] <cmaloney-inexile> Yeah, fun fun
[23:40] <gamerchick02> :(
[23:40] <gamerchick02> we're going to a concert at Unity
[23:40] <gamerchick02> starts at 8 if you wanna get out
[23:40] <cmaloney-inexile> No worries. It'll come back soon
[23:40] <gamerchick02> good!
[23:40] <cmaloney-inexile> That's the hope
[23:40] <cmaloney-inexile> And my parents have power
[23:41] <gamerchick02> oh good
[23:44] <cmaloney-inexile> Bbl


[03:53] <pavlushka> morning NaSb !
[03:54] <NaSb> শুভ সকাল pavlushka
[03:58] <pavlushka> অনেকেই আসেন নি, বিশেষ করে Ubuntu LoCo থেকে যারা আসবে বলেছিল।
[09:59] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos & Saiful !
[09:59] <Kilos> hi pavlushka Saiful
[09:59] <pavlushka> Saiful: have you registered your nick? means irc user name?
[09:59] <Saiful> hi bro.........
[09:59] <pavlushka> Hello
[09:59] <Kilos> you did a nick change
[10:00] <Saiful> no, i'm now windows
[10:00] <Kilos> pavlushka give him the command to register
[10:00] <Kilos> oh
[10:00] <Saiful> how to resister with my nick name
[10:02] <pavlushka> Saiful: run here like chatting "/msg nickserv register your_password your_email"
[10:03] <pavlushka> Saiful: but are you sure you want to register this user_name?
[10:05] <pavlushka> or you can change your nick to the desired nick if you wish by typing "/nick nick_name"
[10:05] <pavlushka> anyway, you can register you nick Saiful !
[10:06] <Saiful> yes..........
[10:06] <pavlushka> Saiful: have you done it?
[10:07] <Saiful> no.......what will nickserv
[10:07] <pavlushka> Saiful: run here like chatting "/msg nickserv register your_password your_email"
[10:08] <pavlushka> Kilos: can you brief Saiful about nickserv a little?
[10:09] <pavlushka> I go eat....
[10:16] <Saiful> how to change my real name from realname
[10:18] <Kilos> where you fill in your info on your irc client you put in your real name
[10:20] <Saiful> plz recieved a file kilos
[10:21] <Kilos> it doesnt sho accept
[10:21] <Kilos> past it on poicpaste
[10:21] <Kilos> picpaste
[10:25] <Kilos> i cant get to accept file transfers on dcc
[10:27] <Kilos> use picpaste.com
[10:27] <Saiful> how to send a file in irc
[10:27] <Kilos> i dont use that function
[10:27] <Kilos> what file is it
[10:28] <Saiful> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_4-9Jg7kRwb.png
[10:28] <Kilos> thats better ill go see it there
[10:28] <Saiful> ami registered..........see this pic
[10:29] <Saiful> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_5-ih6IPogk.png
[10:30] <Saiful> i want to change this from real name
[10:31] <Kilos> i dont use hexchat, yes you change it where you choose what server and channels you join
[10:31] <Saiful> how?
[10:32] <Kilos> where did you enter #ubuntu-bd?
[10:32] <Kilos> or did pavel do it
[10:33] <Kilos> somewhere before it logs onto the channel is your settings
[10:33] <Kilos> maybe tick on settings or on the hexchat icon at the top and look at options
[10:43] <Kilos> you found it
[10:44] <Saiful> sorry, please send again... here electricity problem
[10:46] <Kilos> kill hexchat then whe it starts up again, where you fill in what channels and server to join, somewhere there must be where you put your name in
[10:46] <Kilos> i dont know hexchat
[10:46] <Kilos> pavlushka come on man
[10:46] <Kilos> we need your help
[10:50] <Saiful> are you useing polari for irc chat?
[10:58] <pavlushka> i am here now.
[10:58] <pavlushka> Saiful: you are using polari?
[11:00] <pavlushka> Saiful: you are registered
[11:05] <Saiful> no..i'm using hexchat now.........
[11:05] <pavlushka> Saiful: I told you to use Hexchat, I see no gui option in polari like hexchat to fi in the detais.
[11:05] <pavlushka> *fil in the detais
[11:07] <Saiful> how to change real name......
[11:08] <pavlushka> Saiful: then go to settings menu, select preference, go to chatting tab, then select advanced, there is the option, real name
[11:08] <Saiful> thanks........bro
[11:09] <pavlushka> Saiful: anything else?
[11:10] <Saiful> i want to install my modem GUI mood......
[11:10] <pavlushka> Saiful: have you verified your nick as in the email instructed?
[11:11] <pavlushka> Saiful: didn't get any help from FB ubuntu-bd?
[11:12] <Saiful> yes........i was registered, no......in ubuntu-bd fb group
[11:13] <pavlushka> Saiful: you see the nerwork logo in the upper right corner of your desktop?
[11:14] <Saiful> bro it's done........but show modem isn't connected
[11:15] <Saiful> i'm using it via Mobile Broadband
[11:16] <pavlushka> Saiful, I can hep you about it only when I return to Panchagarh, you have to wait till then if you need my help.
[11:16] <pavlushka> *help, problem with L key
[11:18] <Saiful> how to send a file via hexchat
[11:19] <pavlushka> for now I am going offline, Saiful , dont try it because it has issues, use pastebin/picpaste like websites and post the link.
[11:19] <pavlushka> then post the link here
[11:20] <pavlushka> Good bye Kilos , & Saiful !
[11:20] <Kilos> cheers pavlushka
[11:28] <Saiful> good bye