[05:31] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) this has been a lazy group today :-)
[05:31] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) good night guys
[06:38] (plovs/#ubuntu-doc) moin
[06:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) hey plovs
[07:04] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) a new day ahead, i hope to get my ghost cd to boot today
[08:41] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) today is a good day!
[01:09] <ChrisH> Has anyone of you guys ever configured WiFi on Ubuntu?
[01:30] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) nope
[01:31] <ChrisH> Ah, got it now.
[01:34] <ChrisH> wfconfig... we really need some information on that. There are three pages about WiFi on the Wiki but none tells anything but the list of supported chipsets. :(
[01:43] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) everybody in barcelona is supposed to use it
[01:44] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) we need a howto
[02:00] <ChrisH> I don't have WLAN at home so I'm probably not a good information source yet.
[02:14] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) good morning
[02:14] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) and I have wifi
[02:25] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Hi. You are invited to write a Wiki entry. :)
[02:30] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I will see if I have time today, if so I will do it today :-)
[02:30] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) the problem is, mine just always works :-)
[02:33] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) hornbeck, good morning
[02:34] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) hornbeck, as a frontend to subversion (nice link) http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/wiki/TracOnDebian
[02:52] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) plovs_work: cool I will check it out
[02:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) plovs_work: that has alot of dependencies
[02:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I don't think the Cananical guys will go for it
[02:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) Canonical
[03:09] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) ah well
[03:11] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) anyone know if you can move blogger archives to wordpress
[03:16] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) http://wiki.wordpress.org/BloggerImport
[03:16] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) nice, thanks I am lazy and trying to write this wifihowto
[03:27] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) there is already a wifihowto on the wiki
[03:27] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) just is not very good
[03:30] <ChrisH> Where?
[05:11] <enrico> Hello very nice people!
[05:11] <enrico> I'm catching up a bit in the list
[05:12] <enrico> And I've booked my tickets to the conference (!)
[05:12] <enrico> Do we already have a wiki page with our plans for the conf?  Else, I can go on and create one
[05:31] <ChrisH> enrico: We only have BOFs created by Sivan and me. Lulu was about to create an agenda.
[05:32] <ChrisH> enrico: from what I heard the morning will have a fixed agenda from lulu and the rest of the day is free for anything. So I guess we should just meet then.
[05:32] <ChrisH> enrico: Are you leaving on the 8th?
[05:32] <enrico> On the 9th
[05:33] <ChrisH> Okay. Sivan, Alex (plovs) and me will be there from the 8th to the 11th iirc. So we should probably use the 8th and 9th for talking about our things to do.
[05:37] <enrico> gosh... we'll meet for just a little little...
[05:38] <ChrisH> Sorry. But I cannot afford to live there for two weeks. :)
[05:52] <sivang> Hi All
[05:54] <ChrisH> sivang: Hey, it's him! :)
[05:58] <sivang> ah, that's better :)
[05:58] <sivang> Hi ChrisH
[05:58] <ChrisH> |-|3y, Z1\/4/\/ 0|_|) B|_||)|)Y.
[06:16] <enrico> ChrisH: do you have more news about the morning fixed agenda you mentioned before?
[06:19] <cenerentola> enrico: time for me?
[06:25] <enrico> cenerentola: after you wrote me insults in private for all the afternoon?  No.
[06:26] <cenerentola> ahhhh
[06:32] <ChrisH> enrico: I just heard from lulu that she was about to get it done and publish more information about the conference in general. Haven't heard from her about that topic since. Must have been about a week ago.
[06:37] <silbs> guys - lulu is working on the schedule. It will only be a draft and probably won't be out till Monday. If you have specific bof sessions that you would like scheduled, please list them on the wiki (if you haven't done so already).
[06:38] <cenerentola> does someone know anything about linguaplone?
[06:38] <ChrisH> sivang: I think a few more general information on the conference is badly needed. Questions and more BOFs will probably come up later automatically.
[06:38] <ChrisH> sivang: sorry
[06:38] <ChrisH> silbs: I think a few more general information on the conference is badly needed. Questions and more BOFs will probably come up later automatically.
[06:40] <silbs> ChrisH: like what?
[06:42] <ChrisH> silbs: Where is the location? (The website of it is a little awkward.) What is canonical planning to present? What can visitors expect? Currently it's just "we'll share the same rooms for two weeks".
[06:43] <cenerentola> thx guys for the immediate answer..hehe;)
[06:44] <silbs> ChrisH: i realise that may be frustrating, but to a large extent that is what you should expect. This isn't a conference with scheduled speakers, panel discussions, debates.
[06:45] <silbs> ChrisH: there will be several bofs scheduled per day, but to a large extent the value is in having the people in the same room, pair programming, planning work, etc
[06:45] <silbs> the bof schedule lulu is working on will provide the general structure for the day, and we have already told you it is being worked on
[06:46] <silbs> the location is at the hotel. I'll update the wiki to reflect that - the information has been vague because everything is being planned.
[06:46] <silbs> Tecnocampus is still helping sponsoring the project, but the rooms there didn't work out.
[06:47] <silbs> we are still 2 weeks out - the may seem like a short time to you, but that is ages in Ubuntu/Canonical time :)
[06:49] <ChrisH> silbs: The Tecnocampus is near the hotel?
[06:50] <ChrisH> silbs: Or are the BOFs being held at the hotel?
[06:50] <silbs> there are several tecnocampus buildings - one is <10 min walk, one is approx 20 min walk. But we aren't holding events there anymore.
[06:50] <silbs> see above - everything at the hotel now
[06:50] <ChrisH> silbs: k. What will the tecnocampus being used for then?
[06:51] <silbs> ChrisH: nothing will be at the tecnocampus. Everything will be at the hotel.
[06:51] <ChrisH> 18:46 < silbs> Tecnocampus is still helping sponsoring the project, but the rooms there didn't work out.
[06:51] <ChrisH> silbs: I'm must curious about the kind of sponsoring they will do. :)
[06:52] <ChrisH> silbs: Personally I like the idea of having it all held at the hotel. My wife and my baby come with me and it's easier to not travel long distances.
[06:52] <silbs> ChrisH: they have facilitated our being in Mataro, helped with the planning, and they are making a financial contribution.
[06:53] <ChrisH> silbs: kind
[06:54] <ChrisH> silbs: Sorry for my ignorance. Are you from canonical?
[06:55] <silbs> ChrisH: yes - sorry, should have introduced myself. I am Jane Silber.  I'm the Canonical COO.
[06:55] <ChrisH> silbs: pleased to meet you... I'm just an inferior contributor in the doc team ;)
[06:56] <silbs> ChrisH: not at all - you guys are the important ones. I just try to keep things running smoothly behind the scenes so you guys can do the important work!
[06:58] <ChrisH> silbs: What does stand COO for? Chief Obscurity Officer? Chief Organisational Officer?
[06:58] <silbs> ChrisH: all of the above :)
[06:59] <ChrisH> silbs: Well, I guess we will all have a clearer picture of who we are after Mataro. :)
[06:59] <silbs> ChrisH: hope this helped. We'll get a schedule out as soon as we can - suggest bofs as you see fit.  I'm off now - good night.
[07:03] <enrico> ChrisH: ok, so we can start throwing our wishes
[07:03] <enrico> I started a DocTeamAtConference page where we can do that
[07:07] <ChrisH> Very good.
[07:08] <enrico> I'll announce it on the list
[07:38] <plovs__> hi guys!
[07:38] <cenerentola> ciao
[07:51] <asw> hey enrico! Still around?
[07:52] <enrico> asw: about to go to dinner!
[07:53] <asw> OK. I'm going to be in London dec 2-13 and I might be able to drop by for the doc BOF.
[07:53] <asw> If I come, I would arrive the 9th and leave the 10th.  Will you be there then?
[07:54] <asw> That's thurs/fri.
[07:54] <asw> hi plovs
[07:56] <enrico> asw: I'll leave on the 9th afternoon, unfortunately
[07:56] <enrico> I got a plane to Taiwan to take on the 10 early morning
[07:58] <asw> I could adjust my schedule and just as easily come on the 8th/9th. but it will depend on the schedules of other people I need to see.
[07:58] <asw> I'm glad I caught you. Have a good dinner.
[07:58] <asw> I've done quite a bit on the little project I mentioned to you in our last chat.
[07:58] <sivang> asw : what project is that?
[07:59] <plovs> enrico, hi, you'll make a page for the doc-team conference stuff?
[07:59] <enrico> asw: the Graal?
[07:59] <asw> sivang - hi btw - in my non-existent spare time I'm working on an idea to fund certain types of free (as in freedom) communities.
[07:59] <enrico> asw: that's great news, then
[08:00] <enrico> asw: after the dinner I'll be curious
[08:00] <sivang> asw : ah awfully nice! You have some kind of fund organization after you?
[08:00] <asw> sure I'm often around (but often I forget to mark myself "away" when I'm not.)


[17:09] <Gregorio> hello, hope I'm not interrupting a meeting, just found a reference to this channel on your wiki/launchpad and have a question
[17:09] <Gregorio> does anyone know what channel, web page, e-mail list etc would get me started researching web services plan (aka webplications :-) in Ubuntu?
[17:10] <Gregorio> no hits so far on my searches... so any pointers to Blueprints or other docs greatly appreciated
[19:37] <Seveas> anyone here for the EMEA meeting already?
[19:52] <PriceChild> I 'may' be available for EMEA meeting for another 55 minutes however I can't be counted on as I mentioned on ML/planner.
[19:53] <forumsmatthew> Hopefully it will be quick. Anyway, I'm here.
[19:53] <Seveas> I don't see any of the candidates yet, so it might be *very* quick :)
[19:53] <forumsmatthew> :)
[19:54] <forumsmatthew> It's a tough time of year to get things done.
[19:54] <Seveas> it's the most wonderful time of the year
[19:54] <forumsmatthew> agreed
[19:54]  * Seveas bought his christmaspresents early this year
[19:55] <Seveas> tv was dying, so bought a nice full hd 60cm flatscreen \o/
[19:55] <forumsmatthew> nice!
[19:55] <Seveas> 1920x1200 if you attach a computer
[19:55] <PriceChild> jealous
[19:55] <Seveas> built in dvb-t tuner
[19:55]  * Seveas is in his geeky place :)
[19:55] <PriceChild> no idea what i'm going to get people :(
[19:56] <forumsmatthew> I'm building a play fort in my yard for my kids
[19:56] <forumsmatthew> ladder, climbing wall, slide, swings
[19:56] <Seveas> awesome
[19:57] <Seveas> can I come play? :)
[19:57] <forumsmatthew> anytime you like :)
[19:57] <PriceChild> yeah, nevermind "for my kids"
[19:58] <forumsmatthew> the floor of the platform is about 2 meters off the ground, so "climbing wall" is probably overstating the case, unless you are young or small
[19:58] <Seveas> who cares :)
[20:01] <Seveas> wanna hear something ironic?
[20:01] <forumsmatthew> yes
[20:01] <Seveas> perl is one of the languages I like least
[20:01] <Seveas> but now I'm sysadmin for the boxes behind perl5.git.perl.org
[20:02] <Seveas> irony in a nutshell :)
[20:02] <forumsmatthew> wow!
[20:02]  * stgraber waves
[20:02]  * forumsmatthew waves back
[20:02] <Seveas> hi stgraber
[20:02] <stgraber> I'll have to leave in an hour
[20:02] <Seveas> none of the candidates have shown up yet
[20:03] <Seveas> let's give them 10 more minutes before calling it a loss :)
[20:03] <forumsmatthew> +1
[20:03] <stgraber> ok
[20:03] <forumsmatthew> dxter emailed, so we know where he is. Any of the others contact anyone?
[20:04] <phanatic> nope
[20:04] <Seveas> didn't see any mail either
[20:10] <munckfish> Hi sorry I'm late
[20:10] <forumsmatthew> good timing, we were just about to call the meeting
[20:10] <Seveas> munckfish, you're actually the first one to show up and just in time :)
[20:10] <munckfish> Oh good, I just got home now :S
[20:10] <Seveas> stgraber, phanatic PriceChild
[20:10] <Seveas> we've got one!
[20:10] <phanatic> great :)
[20:11] <Seveas> munckfish, can you introduce yourself in a few lines please?
[20:11] <munckfish> Sure
[20:12] <munckfish> My contribution has mostly been in getting the PS3 version running again
[20:12] <munckfish> I installed gutsy on it first
[20:12] <munckfish> then found out it was dead on Hardy and decided to help out
[20:12] <munckfish> Colin W, the kernel team and others have been sponsoring patches for me
[20:13] <munckfish> X team too. That's about it really.
[20:13] <munckfish> Will that do?
[20:13] <PriceChild> munckfish: is there any reason why you decided to go for ubuntu membership rather than ubuntu contributing developer?
[20:13] <munckfish> Yes
[20:13] <munckfish> 2 reasons
[20:13] <munckfish> 1, gouki advised I should do it
[20:14] <munckfish> 2, reading the wiki, it advised to become a member first, then proceed to MOTU
[20:14] <Seveas> which page is that? seems to be outdated
[20:14] <munckfish> Oh, I'll look for it
[20:14] <munckfish> unless I misunderstood
[20:14] <Seveas> the 'proper' way to MOTU is via ubuntu contributing developer etc.
[20:15] <stgraber> you can now become an ubuntu member based on your packaging work, then you can become a MOTU. There are now many ways to get Ubuntu membership
[20:15] <munckfish> Which means ... roughly what I've been doing?
[20:15] <Seveas> but I see a problem with that: you're fixing things mostly in main instead of universe :)
[20:15] <stgraber> the local councils are only one way, mainly used when doing something else than packaging work
[20:15] <Seveas> munckfish, roughly but not quite
[20:15] <Seveas> however, I'm quite impressed with the work I see
[20:15] <munckfish> Seveas: thx
[20:15] <Seveas> maintaining a port virtually on your own is not easy
[20:16] <munckfish> Seveas: but very interesting
[20:16] <Seveas> what is the contribution you're most proud of?
[20:16] <munckfish> and hopefully not solo for the next cycle
[20:16] <stgraber> anyway, it also shows quite a lot of QA work outside of simply packaging work so I'm fine with dealing with that application
[20:16]  * PriceChild notes top contributors on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ps3-port
[20:17] <munckfish> Seveas: it's difficult to say, my contributions have really been lots of small fixes which as whole have made it work again
[20:17] <Seveas> fair enough
[20:17] <PriceChild> uu scottish
[20:17] <munckfish> I'm proud of the whole lot, but I'm really proud of having the opportunity to contribute to core core stuff like X and the kernel
[20:18] <Seveas> +1 from me, good work and I don't doubt the good work will continue
[20:18] <forumsmatthew> I have to say, I'm impressed and feeling really good about this
[20:18] <forumsmatthew> +1
[20:18] <stgraber> +1
[20:18] <munckfish> PriceChild: no, adopted scottish, I'm from Hampshire/Southampton
[20:18] <PriceChild> munckfish: not that that interests me me more than the real reason you're here!
[20:18] <munckfish> PriceChild: :)
[20:18] <PriceChild> +1 from me too!
[20:19] <Seveas> if he were a real scotsman, would you have said -1? :P
[20:19] <Seveas> phanatic, your vote please
[20:19] <phanatic> +1 of course. i hope you'll get more help during next cycle!
[20:19] <Seveas> so thats +5, welcome in the club :)
[20:19] <munckfish> Thanks guys
[20:19] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[20:20] <munckfish> Wahaaaay!
[20:20] <phanatic> welcome munckfish :)
[20:20] <Seveas> added in LP
[20:21] <Seveas> end of meeting, see you in a few weeks :)
[20:21] <munckfish> Any advice for the optimal route to MOTU from here? I think I need to get some solid time doing new packaging maybe?
[20:21] <PriceChild> munckfish: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU#So%20you%20want%20to%20be%20a%20MOTU?
[20:21] <Seveas> /join #ubuntu-motu
[20:21] <Seveas> :)
[20:21] <munckfish> PriceChild: yeah I'll take a look, just wasn't sure I was following the traditional route so far
[20:21] <PriceChild> that too
[20:22] <munckfish> Great thanks guys


[04:24] <mup> Bug # changed: 1560789, 1576427, 1577838, 1590986, 1622786, 1624424, 1631595, 1631946
[17:34] <hitz> hello maas
[17:35] <hitz> anyone who could give me a hand?
[17:37] <hitz> hello maas?
[18:14] <pmatulis> just ask your question


[01:41] <phillw> greetings people, is there any further plan for the 4.4 kernel to arrive into xenial test builds by 25th Jan? if you have an answer, please ping wxl so that he stops pinging me :) Humour, on the kernel team is still allowed :)
[05:58]  * tsimonq2 is gone:


[00:24] <urbanape> evening, all
[00:24] <urbanape> just got home from London.
[01:44] <marcosdsanchez> hey, I have troubles with my ubuntuone install under jaunty. I reinstalled today  with a new version and it doesn't work anymore
[13:35] <urbanape> Morning, folks
[13:36] <aquarius> hey urbanape
[13:37] <urbanape> hey, aquarius. So we've got Bindwood 0.3 uploaded yesterday. woot
[13:37] <aquarius> woah, nice
[13:37] <urbanape> that, coupled with the huge strides we made on the files web ui last week make for a very happy Zac.
[13:37] <aquarius> indeed it should!
[13:38] <aquarius> I'm just landing the new notes UI as we speak (sans CSS, of course: jblount, what's the plan with that?)
[13:38] <urbanape> how's the notes stuff coming? Saw something about Tomboy not doing HMAC-SHA?
[13:39] <aquarius> rodrigo_'s been fixing that. :)
[13:39] <rodrigo_> urbanape: yeah, it stopped working when HMAC was disabled
[13:39] <urbanape> that'll do it
[13:40] <rodrigo_> urbanape: there is a branch waiting to be approved, that should fix it
[13:40] <rodrigo_> apart from the python-oauth fixes from dobey
[13:42] <urbanape> aquarius, I've got Bindwood sending a Manifest document up to Couch now, too, that we can use as a reference for structure.
[13:42] <urbanape> Need to do the right thing when pulling it down.
[13:42] <aquarius> ooh, clever
[13:42] <urbanape> Also, need to start using the _changes feed. Should be straightforward enough
[13:43] <urbanape> together, those two things should be the last bits to make Bindwood really rocking.
[13:43] <urbanape> Then, to start on the web ui for bookmarks.
[14:03] <CardinalFang> aquarius, I don't know what to make of  bug# 435943
[14:03] <aquarius> bug #435943
[14:04] <CardinalFang> Poor LP.
[14:04] <CardinalFang> "desktopcouch-service crashed with ImportError in <module>() "
[14:05] <aquarius> if you look at the traceback.txt on there, it looks like it's failing to import replication_services
[14:05] <aquarius> assuming that LP will stay up long enough to let people see it. It is very very ill atm :(
[14:13] <aquarius> CardinalFang, ^
[14:13] <aquarius> CardinalFang, I figured that the problem was that replication_services wasn't in the desktopcouch package
[14:13] <aquarius> but I'm not sure how to confirm that
[14:21] <CardinalFang> aquarius, You're right.  It should be in python-desktopcouch , but it's not.
[14:45] <CardinalFang> aquarius, Should we distribute unit tests?
[14:45] <CardinalFang> aquarius, ...in packages?
[14:46] <aquarius> I am in two minds about that. Personally, I think no, but iirc dobey thinks we should
[14:46] <aquarius> might not have been dobey :)
[14:47] <dobey> in debian packages?
[14:47] <dobey> no
[14:47] <dobey> in tarballs? yes
[14:49] <teknico> dobey, do you mean, no in bin packages, and yes in src packages? :-)
[14:49] <dobey> well src package == tarball, so yes
[14:50] <teknico> more ~= , but ok :-)
[14:50] <dobey> well, tarball + external debian metadata stuff.
[15:02] <urbanape> good morning, all.
[15:02] <urbanape> is it that time?
[15:02] <vds> yes it is!
[15:03] <vds> MEETING BEGINS: you know how it works, say 'me' if you want to join!
[15:03] <teknico> me
[15:04] <rodrigo_> me
[15:04] <aquarius> e
[15:04] <aquarius> er, mw
[15:04] <teknico> m
[15:04] <aquarius> grrrrrrrr
[15:04] <CardinalFang> me
[15:04] <aquarius> me
[15:04] <teknico> moo
[15:04] <vds> me
[15:04] <vds> teknico: please
[15:04] <teknico> dobey?
[15:04] <dobey> me
[15:05] <teknico> jblount?
[15:05] <urbanape> me
[15:05] <teknico> ok
[15:05] <teknico> DONE: fought bzr brokenness; landed one branch for adding/editing contacts (#406315)
[15:05] <teknico> TODO: disable the Funambol tests for now (#438710); fix one more branch for adding/editing contacts (#406315); implement contacts deletion (#406314); revise the contacts web ui interface according to the use cases, wireframes and design that came out of the sprint (#399664)
[15:05] <teknico> BLOCK: none
[15:05] <teknico> next: rodrigo_
[15:05] <aquarius> I still wonder if the meeting begin line should have everyone's name after it. :)
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • DONE: Deal with notes with no application_annotations field. Back to conflict dealing in evo-couchdb. Release and package couchdb-glib 0.5.1
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • TODO: Talk to Ara about writing mago tests for evo-couchdb. Propose couchdb-glib/evo-couchdb for GNOME 2.29. Store UUIDs for postal addresses. Conflict resolver tool in pair tool. Look at becoming a MOTU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers). openSUSE/Fedora packaging with aquarius. Simplify tomboy syncing config UI. Release and package evo-couchdb new version
[15:05] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: no
[15:05] <rodrigo_> aquarius: go!
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚀ DONE: made Tomboy web notes UI nice, implemented tomboyxml to html converter and back again, fix many little errors as per reviews; fixed Bug #438411
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚁ TODO: land web notes UI branch; fix unknownloginerror
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚂ BLOCKED:
[15:05] <aquarius> ⚃ BUG COUNT:https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/+assignedbugs?field.tag=ubuntuone-karmic - 2
[15:05] <aquarius> run with the ball, CardinalFang
[15:06] <CardinalFang> ONE: prepared desktopcouch package for karmic.
[15:06] <CardinalFang> TODO: make anoter desktopcouch package for karmic.  work on compacting.  Worry about cloud couch synching; help figure out what's wrong with auth, of jso has time.
[15:06] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: auth.
[15:07] <teknico> aquarius, yes, it probably should :-)
[15:07] <CardinalFang> I have no idea who's next.
[15:07] <teknico> vds
[15:07] <CardinalFang> "jdo" not "jso"
[15:07] <vds> DONE: still coding on couchdb quota integration and...finding a lot of nice things...
[15:07] <vds> TODO:  go ahead on this branch
[15:07] <vds> BLOCKED: nope
[15:07] <vds> dobey per favore!
[15:07] <teknico> CardinalFang, "if" not "of" :-)
[15:08] <dobey> ☺ DONE: Started #434886
[15:08] <dobey> ☹ TODO: Finish #434886, Fix #369488
[15:08] <dobey> ☹ BLCK: None.
[15:08]  * CardinalFang needs rest.
[15:08] <dobey> urbanape: your roll
[15:08] <urbanape> DONE: Traveled yesterday. Got Bindwood 0.3 uploaded to karmic in time for beta.
[15:08] <urbanape> TODO: Work on and submit a branch fixing bug #434951. Work on the Bindwood manifest branch.
[15:08] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:08] <urbanape> And I suppose jblount can go when he gets around.
[15:09] <teknico> and tomorrow statik'll be back too, hopefully :-)
[15:09] <vds> ok then. EOM, thank you all!
[15:13] <urbanape> w00t
[15:31] <joshuahoover> urbanape: is jblount "in" today?
[15:32] <dobey> joshuahoover: he should be
[15:33] <dobey> joshuahoover: he's not on the "not in" list anyway :)
[15:34] <urbanape> joshuahoover, dunno
[16:56] <CardinalFang> Whiskey tango foxtrot.  does this redirect you to a wiki page?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+filebug
[17:00] <CardinalFang> What is this "no-redirect" crap?  I'm all in favor of getting better bug reports, but I do not think this is the way.
[17:04] <aquarius> CardinalFang, yeah. It's to encourage people to use ubuntu-bug to file bugs, not launchpad's web UI
[17:04] <aquarius> CardinalFang, I don't think I like it either, but hey ho
[17:06] <CardinalFang> "ubuntu-bug" is obviously not written for me.
[17:20] <dobey> CardinalFang: are you wanting to file a packaging bug, or a bug against the project?
[17:20] <dobey> because you probably want the latter
[17:21] <dobey> in which case, you shouldn't be filing the bug against the ubuntu package anyway :)
[17:21] <CardinalFang> dobey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/desktopcouch/+bug/438800
[17:21] <dobey> oh, ok, yeah that should be against the package
[17:22] <CardinalFang> Hope so.  I'm the packager, too.
[17:22] <CardinalFang> Those distro folks really like bugs, so I oblige.
[17:23]  * dobey wishes he had time to work on useful tools for managing a project
[17:29] <Chipaca> CardinalFang: I think they like bug *reports*
[20:17] <urbanape> brb
[23:37] <Technoviking> How to I delete folder from Ubuntu one?
[23:38] <Technoviking> I have a .mozilla-thunderbird showing in the web interface that I can not remove.


[00:00] <binBASH> however I don't fixup mainboards on wood pannels
[00:31] <jeeves> hello all.
[00:31] <jeeves> how do I downgrade my PHP installed version to 5.2 and force it to stay @ 5.2?  apparently, 5.3 breaks everything
[00:33] <progre55> hi guys. how do you set a machine date to UTC? now it's on GMT and I have two servers, but the dates on them differ by 1 hour.. which is causing problems..
[00:34] <shauno> GMT and UTC aren't an hour apart.  there's a chance your problems lay elsewhere
[00:35] <progre55> shauno: no no, I'm on the swedish date, which is +1
[00:35] <progre55> so one of my servers has the swedish time, another has the GMT time.. and now I need to sync them
[00:36] <shauno> ah, ok.  tzselect should walk you thru picking a zone
[00:37] <shauno> tell a lie, that appears to be user-level.  seems you want dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[00:37] <guest9187> jolly joööy
[00:37] <progre55> ah yeah, thanks a lot
[00:38] <shauno> (or just edit /etc/timezone).  I don't change timezone often, so a little rusty :)
[00:39] <progre55> shauno: no no, reconfiguring tzdata worked fine :) thanks a lot
[00:55] <jeeves_moss> hello all.
[00:55] <jeeves_moss> how do I downgrade my PHP installed version to 5.2 and force it to stay @ 5.2?  apparently, 5.3 breaks everything
[01:24] <guest9187> Problem, The volume Filesystem root has only 895MB disc space remaining?
[01:26] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto and read the part about holding.
[01:26] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, I need to know the package name though to be able to pin it
[01:26] <jmarsden> guest9187: Why is that a problem?  How much free space do you *need* in /
[01:27] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: dpkg -l | grep php   will display all of them related to PHP :)
[01:27] <jeeves_moss> thanks.
[01:27] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: You're welcome.
[01:28] <jeeves_moss> it's only showing up with 5.2
[01:28] <jeeves_moss> *5.3
[01:28] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: well, because right now you have 5.3 packages installed, right?  So first install the older ones, then hold those :)
[01:29] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, ok, thanks.  all I know is that 5.3 broke everything.
[01:29] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: I'd be interested to know why, it works for most people :)
[01:29] <jeeves_moss> most of the stuff I have dosn't work with 5.3, and the devs are scrambling to fix it
[01:30] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, have a look @ moseley.ca/crm/ and/or www.moseley.ca/project/
[01:31] <jmarsden> So: why are you displaying errors to the user on a production site?  Turn that off, run, then read your apache logs and fix each bug reported in them.  That's not "breaks everything", that's "I didn't configure PHP for a production server", I think?
[01:32] <mrothhh> is thier a app to create a raid 1 software raid 1 in ubuntu-server
[01:32] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, lol, this is my personal box, and I crashed 8.04 during an upgrade, so this is a long process of "fixing" everything
[01:32] <jmarsden> mrothhh: The installer can do that :)
[01:32] <mrothhh> for the data drive
[01:32] <mrothhh> after you install the OS
[01:33] <jeeves_moss> lol, thank god all my web data/databses were on another drive
[01:34] <jmarsden> mrothhh: You can use mdadm to create RAID arrays on a live system, yes.  It's not as easy and pretty as doing it at install time, but works exactly as well once you are done.
[01:35] <JanC> mrothhh: udisks can do that, or you can do it "manually" with mdadm
[01:35] <mrothhh> does udisk still use mdadm
[01:35] <mrothhh> k thanks
[01:36] <guest9187> jmarsden: It was a Warning pop-up i got. Dont know how mutch free space i need. Just done a new installation of Ubuntu. After a while a got this again
[01:37] <jmarsden> guest9187: If you installed with only a single partition, so *everything* is on / then it is maybe a bit low... this *is* a server, right?  So you know enough to manage a server, and define partition sizes, etc?  That "popup" sounds like you are running Ubuntu DEsktop, in which case this isn't really the right place for you to be asking for help with that.
[01:39] <guest9187> jmarsden: Wrong channel. Sorry, thanks anyway!
[01:40] <jmarsden> guest9187: No problem.  If you are running a desktop version of Ubuntu, you should try asking in #ubuntu .
[01:41] <jmarsden> Hmmm, jeeves_moss disappeared...
[01:41]  * jmarsden decides that since I'm answering questions, I should /back
[01:42] <guest9187> jmarsden: But this desktop is running like i server whitout my premission.
[01:43] <jmarsden> guest9187: How so?  It runs software you did not install?  That would be strange indeed.
[01:45] <guest9187> jmarsden: I got that answer on  a site that my computer was running like a server. Not a installed Ubuntu-server.
[01:46] <mrothhh> were do I get udisk
[01:46] <jmarsden> guest9187: You are not making sense.  A machine you installed Ubuntu Desktop on will have a GUI and act like a desktop machine.
[01:46] <jmarsden> mrothhh: sudo apt-get install udisks   # the s matters
[01:46] <mrothhh> and it cli
[01:47] <mrothhh> k will do
[01:48] <jmarsden> mrothhh: There is a corresponding udisks-doc package you may also want to install and read.  And of course it is command-line based, this is #ubuntu-server :)
[01:49] <mrothhh> thanks
[01:49] <mrothhh> I see
[01:58] <mrothhh> is thier a webbased samba tool for ubuntu server also
[01:58] <mrothhh> swat is th eone
[02:00] <jhansonxi> mrothhh, webmin
[02:00] <mrothhh> ahh and since I vpn to my network at home
[02:00] <mrothhh> I can bulid a frontend
[02:00] <mrothhh> with links to all my webapps
[02:19] <chrislabeard> If I'm configuring postfix on my server, what would the mail server be? I just need to send out mail from my drupal installs.
[02:19] <chrislabeard> I've heard before that ubuntu out of the box should send mail using phpmail()
[02:24] <mrothhh> is thier any way to get drobo like raid features in ubuntu server
[03:48] <jeeves_moss> what shell should I have on FTP users under ProFTPd?  I can't have the users accessing shell though!
[03:51] <jmarsden> It's been years (FTP with usernames is totally insecure, passwords in the clear, etc) but I think you used to be able to add /etc/false to the file /etc/shells and then use that for the "shell" of such users.  BUT I'd suggest you reconsider using named FTP accounts, it is 2011 and the Internet is a dangerous place.  We do not send passwords across it in the clear.  Ever.
[03:53] <KurtKraut> jeeves_moss, I think you should consider very seriously what jmarsden said. I share hist point of view.
[03:53] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, I'm trying to get the logins started, then I'll move to SSH
[03:53] <jeeves_moss> I have some dumb web baised software that needs FTP on it (don't ask)
[03:53] <jeeves_moss> KurtKraut, this is what I'm getting in the log file http://pastebin.com/zWbrdPY6
[03:54] <jmarsden> Rewrite it or find an alternative.  Seriously.
[03:55] <jeeves_moss> well, I can't do that right now, so any "patch" ideas for the time being?
[03:56] <jmarsden> I just gave you one: add /bin/false to the bottom of /etc/shells and then set the vsftpd users shells to be /bin/false
[03:56] <jmarsden> (Oops, I said /etc/false first time -- thinko.  The correct path is /bin/false )
[03:57] <jeeves_moss> kk, thanks
[03:57] <jmarsden> another "patch idea" would be to restrict FTP access to only a few knows source IPs, those of the users concerned, using iptables.
[03:58] <jeeves_moss> true.
[03:58] <jeeves_moss> I think I should just rip this server apart and start fresh
[03:58] <jeeves_moss> it's a serious mess, but I don't have the time to screw with it
[04:01] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: If you have a decent workstation (plenty of RAM, etc.), then you could consider setting up a virtual machine within it running Ubuntu Server, configre that (taking good notes!), then when you have learned what you need to learn and the testbed works, scrap it and install the real thing, following your earlier notes carefully, either in another VM or on dedicated hardware.
[04:02] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, this is true.  My biggest issue is that this is the largest pile of storage that I have.  I may just wait a month, and buy a 2Tb external disk, then clean the server totally off, and then start from scratch.  Once that happens, then I can put stuff "away" properly instead of just trying to find space for everything
[04:03] <jeeves_moss> in fact, I think that's what I'm going to do.  It's getting to the point where everything is a mess and needs to be cleaned up
[04:04] <jmarsden> jeeves_moss: 2TB drives have a reputation for being much less reliable than 1TB drives, at least where I work... sometimes buying the "Bleeding edge" will hurt you... do you absolutely need 2TB?
[04:05] <jeeves_moss> jmarsden, it won't be for a production box.  I just need something large to "dump" everything on, sort through it, etc.  There is a LOT of uplication on this box that needs to be sorted out.  So, instead of swapping a lot of smaller drives around trying to "juggle" everything, it would be easier to just "dump" it all on one external, then sort it
[04:06] <jmarsden> OK, it's your choice of course :)
[04:06] <jeeves_moss> well, once it's sorted, it can go back on the smaller drive!
[04:07] <jmarsden> OK.  BTW, man fdupes -- you don't need everything on one physical drive to use it...
[04:08] <jeeves_moss> I use fdupes for our image collection
[04:09] <jeeves_moss> ....  and now, apparently, my NAS has dropped off-line.  grrrr, today is just getting sooooo much better
[04:09] <jeeves_moss> screw it, to the basement I go!  brb
[04:45] <Hypoglybetic> I need some advice/Information about VNC.  If I have 3 PCs running VNC and I am outside of my network and want to connect how do I choose which PC I want to connect to? Do I configure a custom port, set  up a VNC server, or what? I'm not looking for the how to but just the suggestion on which path to take.
[04:46] <jmarsden> Each on a different port should be straightforward, yes.
[04:47] <jmarsden> BTW Ubuntu server does not have a GUI and so does not, generally speaking, run VNC ...
[04:47] <Hypoglybetic> and then simply memorize each PC/port?
[04:48] <jmarsden> Sure.  If you want to get fancy and set up a single gateway machine that prompts you for which PC you wish to connect to and makes a VNC connection back to the one you select... well, that might be a lot of work...
[04:49] <Hypoglybetic> Yeah, thats what I thought.  Memorizing the port seems easy.  Or writing it on a card in my wallet. Thanks for the advice.
[04:49] <jmarsden> Yes.  If you have three PCs, named  PC0, PC1 and PC2 you can use ports 5900, 5901 and 5902 and the correspondence should be fairly easy to remember :)
[04:56] <oljas> how to change locale language to en_US.UTF-8?
[04:58] <jmarsden> oljas: dpkg-reconfigure locales   # should do it.
[05:00] <oljas> it just says: Generating locales... en_US.UTF-8... up-to-date en_ZA.UTF-8... up-to-date etc. Generation complete. nothing changes,
[05:01] <jmarsden> oljas: OK, now you can edit the file /etc/default/locale to say what you want the defaults to be.
[05:02] <oljas> great, thanks!
[05:03] <jmarsden> oljas: You're welcome.  You might need to reboot the machine for it to re-read that file...
[07:18] <chrislabeard> I can't get my server to show up under shared using avahi running snow leopard
[07:45] <airtonix> chrislabeard, using afp ?
[07:54] <chrislabeard> airtonix: yeah
[07:54] <chrislabeard> airtonix: I can connect to the server using afp but its not just showing up
[07:58] <airtonix> chrislabeard, did you make a .service file ?
[07:58] <chrislabeard> airtonix: yes
[07:59] <airtonix> chrislabeard, and did you restart avahi-daemon and allow traffic on port 5353 to come and go on the ubuntu machine ?
[07:59] <airtonix> udp
[07:59] <airtonix> sudo ufw allow in on eth0 to any port 5353
[07:59] <chrislabeard> let me try that
[08:00] <chrislabeard> I didn't know I had to do that
[08:00] <chrislabeard> K did it
[08:00] <chrislabeard> How long does it take to restart
[08:01] <chrislabeard> I mean show up sorry
[08:01] <airtonix> almost immediately
[08:01] <airtonix> from the mac machine ping <UBUNTUHOSTNAME>.local
[08:02] <chrislabeard> hmm not getting anything
[08:02] <chrislabeard> its just sitting
[08:02] <chrislabeard> Do I need to edit my hosts file on the server
[08:02] <airtonix> no
[08:02] <airtonix> thats the point of avahi/bonjour
[08:02] <chrislabeard> oh k
[08:03] <airtonix> just to clarify, your ubuntu machines hostname is ?
[08:03] <gobbe> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToZeroconf
[08:03] <chrislabeard> labeard
[08:03] <airtonix> so you ping labeard.local
[08:03] <airtonix> di you restart avahi with : sudo service avahi-daemon restart
[08:03] <gobbe> mdns is needed for .local -resolve
[08:04] <chrislabeard> Yeah I added that
[08:04] <airtonix> it should be enabled by default
[08:04] <airtonix> is your ethernet network card in fact eth0 ?
[08:04] <chrislabeard> yep
[08:05] <airtonix> try restarting ufw too : sudo ufw disable && sudo ufw enable
[08:05] <chrislabeard> okay
[08:05] <chrislabeard> still not showing up
[08:05] <airtonix> to confirm also, ubuntu machine is lucid ?
[08:06] <airtonix> and is it desktop edition or server edition ?
[08:06] <chrislabeard> its 10.04.1 LTS
[08:07] <chrislabeard> Serverrr
[08:07] <airtonix> ok, i can't remember the default status of avahi for server
[08:07] <gobbe> the howto i pasted includes all necessary things to do
[08:08] <chrislabeard> I followed a tutorial
[08:08] <chrislabeard> to set up avahi
[08:08] <chrislabeard> and use my server for time machine
[08:12] <airtonix> chrislabeard, are you running a dns server that uses the .local domain  ?
[08:12] <chrislabeard> airtonix: nope no dns
[08:12] <airtonix> chrislabeard, can you ping the avahi hostname of your mac machines ?
[08:13] <chrislabeard> I can try
[08:13] <chrislabeard> actually it looks like I can't
[08:14] <airtonix> waht about pinging labeard.local from the ubuntu machine ?
[08:14] <chrislabeard> yeah that works
[08:14] <airtonix> ok i think you need to get bonjour running properly on your macs then
[08:14] <airtonix> maybe first try openeing port 5353 on them ?
[08:14] <chrislabeard> Well they see my other macs
[08:15] <airtonix> then try pinging other mac .local addresses from each mac
[08:15] <chrislabeard> yeah that works
[08:16] <airtonix> did you modify /etc/avahi/avahi-daemon.conf at any point ?
[08:17] <chrislabeard> I don't think so
[08:17] <airtonix> could you pastebin it ?
[08:17] <chrislabeard> Yeha
[08:19] <chrislabeard> http://pastebin.com/Z3GQRbLN
[08:25] <chrislabeard> Kinda weird that I can't ping the macs from the ubuntu box
[08:26] <airtonix> indeed
[08:26] <airtonix> but you can ping the ip addresses instead right ?
[08:26] <chrislabeard> yea
[08:28] <geekbri> does anybody happen to know where ubuntu stores the kernel headers ssource?
[08:30] <geekbri> ohh nevermind i found them
[08:31] <airtonix> chrislabeard, i assume this is the guide you used before ? http://www.kremalicious.com/2008/06/ubuntu-as-mac-file-server-and-time-machine-volume/
[08:32] <oljas> my lepoard can,t see any "afp on ubuntuserver" names, it just don`t associate it with ip or machine name, o something like that. so i always use just <name replace-wildcards="yes">%h</name>. And try use Bounjour Browser.app it shows all advertisement on the network.
[08:32] <chrislabeard> airtonix: http://denniswever.dyndns.org/blog/?p=306
[08:33] <chrislabeard> airtonix: but I think its pretty much the same
[08:36] <airtonix> chrislabeard, 1) watch -d -n1 "tail /var/logs/syslog" 2) open another terminal window : watch -d -n1 "tail /var/log/ufw.log" 3) sudo service avahi-daemon restart 4) ping ubuntu from macs wait for fail 5) ping macs from ubuntu, wait for fail. 5) vis two log watchers for strangeness
[08:37] <airtonix> chrislabeard, wait, that ufw watch is supposed to be something like : watch -d -n1 "tail /var/log/ufw.log | grep BLOCK"
[08:38] <chrislabeard> mmk
[08:40] <airtonix> i can't think of anything else at the moment sorry
[08:40] <geekbri> does anybody happen to have a php-fpm init script they want to pastebin for me so i can have one too :)
[08:41] <chrislabeard> I think ufw has been off this whole time cause now I can't connect ssh
[08:42] <airtonix> sudo ufw allow in on eth0 to any port 22
[08:43] <airtonix> you'll probably also want to allow ports for any other services you need
[08:45] <airtonix> chrislabeard, http://1000umbrellas.com/2010/04/29/how-to-set-up-the-firewall-using-ufw-on-ubuntu-lucid-lynx-server
[08:46] <chrislabeard> k cool got it working
[08:49] <chrislabeard_> Is it sys.log or syslog.log/
[08:53] <airtonix> /var/logs/syslog
[08:53] <airtonix> use tab completion to confirm it
[08:55] <chrislabeard_> I'm not seeing anything in the logs
[08:55] <chrislabeard_> when I try to ping my macs
[08:55] <airtonix> means there are no blocked packets
[08:56] <airtonix> does syslog show anything suspicious when you restart avahi-daemon ?
[08:56] <chrislabeard_> nope
[08:56] <chrislabeard_> joining mDNS multicast group
[08:57] <chrislabeard_> service "labeard" (/services/afpd.service) successfully established
[08:59] <airtonix> does your hosts section in /etc/nsswitch.conf  look like : hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[08:59] <chrislabeard> I have
[08:59] <chrislabeard> files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 mdns
[08:59] <chrislabeard> I should delete mdns
[09:00] <airtonix> try it
[09:00] <airtonix> then restart avahi-daemon
[09:00] <chrislabeard> no nachos
[09:01] <airtonix> what is the output of : sudo avahi-browse-domains
[09:01] <chrislabeard> command not found
[09:02] <airtonix> what is the lan ip of the ubuntu machine ?
[09:03] <chrislabeard> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:03] <airtonix> sudo avahi-publish-address labeard.local <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:03] <chrislabeard> sudo: avahi-publish-address: command not found
[09:03] <airtonix> ok you're missing some avahi stuff
[09:04] <airtonix> sudo apt-get install avahi-utils
[09:04] <chrislabeard> k installed
[09:05] <chrislabeard> the output of browse domains
[09:05] <chrislabeard> is
[09:05] <chrislabeard> +  n/a  n/a gateway.2wire.net
[09:05] <airtonix> try that publish address again then try pinging the avahi hostname from the macs
[09:06] <chrislabeard> nada
[09:07] <chrislabeard> Man this is odd
[09:07] <airtonix> i'm out of ideas at the moment then
[09:07] <airtonix> maybe try running wireshark as well
[09:08] <chrislabeard> Is there a no GUI of that?
[09:08] <airtonix> yeah
[09:09] <airtonix> oh a cli only version you mean ?
[09:09] <chrislabeard> Well whatever I need to install on server
[09:09] <chrislabeard> The one I need for server is tshark?
[09:11] <airtonix> looks like it
[09:11] <chrislabeard> tshark -i eth0
[09:11] <chrislabeard> what should I be looking for
[09:11] <airtonix> um CNAME queries
[09:11] <airtonix> or anything over port 5353
[09:13] <chrislabeard> What would use port 7534?
[09:13] <airtonix> not sure
[09:14] <chrislabeard> i'm getting like a million queries from 1 ip at 7534
[09:15] <airtonix> http://www.codealias.info/technotes/the_tshark_capture_and_filter_example_page
[09:15] <chrislabeard> ahh wait
[09:15] <chrislabeard> this look interesting
[09:15] <chrislabeard> 220.356847 2wire_cb:93:31 -> Broadcast    ARP Who has <IP_ADDRESS>?  Tell <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:16] <airtonix> 254 is your router ?
[09:16] <chrislabeard> yeah
[09:16] <chrislabeard> I have 2 routers
[09:16] <chrislabeard> essentially
[09:16] <airtonix> arp is pretty standard stuff
[09:17] <chrislabeard> K what is the avahi port 5353
[09:18] <airtonix> sudo tshark -i eth0 -R "(udp.port == 5353)"
[09:18] <chrislabeard> Or wait is it port 548
[09:18] <airtonix> 5353
[09:18] <airtonix> since DNS is 53
[09:19] <airtonix> sudo tshark -i eth0 -R "(udp.port == 5353) || (tcp.port == 5353)"
[09:19] <chrislabeard> Here we go
[09:19] <airtonix> <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS>  MDNS Standard query A ubuntu.local, "QM" question
[09:19] <chrislabeard> http://pastebin.com/26KeF0dF
[09:20] <chrislabeard>  10.376182 <IP_ADDRESS> -> <IP_ADDRESS>  MDNS Standard query A chrislabeard.local, "QM" question
[09:20] <chrislabeard> I was trying to ping one of my macs
[09:20] <airtonix> hoho
[09:20] <airtonix> you had the wrong hostname all along
[09:21] <chrislabeard> wait what?
[09:21] <chrislabeard> my mac is called chrislabeard
[09:21] <airtonix> ok
[09:22] <airtonix> leave tshark running and try pinning labeard.local from the macs
[09:22] <chrislabeard> I don't see anything
[09:23] <airtonix> this is what you should see : http://pastebin.com/2dWCg51g
[09:23] <chrislabeard> what is blocking my computers from talking to this computer
[09:23] <airtonix> is port 5353 open on your macs ?
[09:24] <chrislabeard> how do I check that
[09:24] <chrislabeard> I don't think I have a firewall on
[09:25] <chrislabeard> yeah firewall is off
[09:26] <airtonix> unfortunately i don't have a mac to test anything on
[09:26] <chrislabeard> On my router do I need NetBIOS enabled
[09:26] <airtonix> i doubt it, thats for samba
[09:27] <chrislabeard> arggg this is supposed to be so easy lol
[09:28] <chrislabeard> what port does afpd work on
[09:28] <chrislabeard> or whatever
[09:28] <chrislabeard> afp I mean
[09:29] <airtonix> 548
[09:29] <chrislabeard> I need to allow that port
[09:29] <airtonix> according to http://blog.ibd.com/howto/bonjour-avahi-netatalk-to-share-files-files-between-ubuntu-10-4-mac-os-x/
[09:30] <chrislabeard> Do i really need a firewall for my local network?
[09:30] <chrislabeard> I have my router's firewall
[09:31] <air^> humm.
[09:31] <chrislabeard> stupid question
[09:31] <chrislabeard> sorry
[09:32] <air^> vad are you trying to do here?
[09:32] <air^> I have macs + ubuntu server + avahi running.
[09:32] <chrislabeard> Okay
[09:32] <air^> no issues and no need to use wireshark ;)
[09:32] <chrislabeard> I just set up my server to use it for time machine
[09:32] <chrislabeard> My machines are able to connect using CMD+K
[09:33] <chrislabeard> but its not showing up under shared
[09:34] <chrislabeard> air^ you ever have any problems with that?
[09:34] <air^> @phone, brb.
[09:34] <chrislabeard> ok
[09:36] <chrislabeard> airtonix hey on a different topic, It looks like my isp has port 25 blocked so seems like postfix isn't working any ideas on that?
[09:38] <mrmist> outbound? if it can't send direct due to ISP restrictions just point it at the ISP mail smarthost
[09:38] <chrislabeard> How do i find out what the smarthost is
[09:39] <mrmist> Depends on your ISP
[09:39] <chrislabeard> Its AT&T UVERSE
[09:39] <mrmist> You'd have to ask them, or check their docs for email config.
[09:40] <mrmist> then - http://www.howtoforge.com/postfix_relaying_through_another_mailserver
[09:40] <chrislabeard> ask them for their smarthost config
[09:41] <mrmist> well, ask them what their outbound SMTP server is
[09:41] <chrislabeard> K i'll try that
[09:48] <chrislabeard> this look right --- smtp.att.yahoo.com
[09:48] <mrmist> it looks like an SMTP server, I can't really say if it's right for your ISP.
[09:57] <chrislabeard> looks like I'm getting an access denied
[10:01] <mrmist> quite possibly not the correct server then, or needs authentication.  You should really check
[10:17] <kaushal> Hi
[10:18] <kaushal> SQL> select banner from v$version;
[10:18] <kaushal> BANNER
[10:18] <kaushal> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[10:18] <kaushal> Oracle Database 11g Release <IP_ADDRESS>.0 - 64bit Production
[10:18] <kaushal> PL/SQL Release <IP_ADDRESS>.0 - Production
[10:18] <kaushal> CORE    <IP_ADDRESS>.0      Production
[10:18] <kaushal> TNS for Linux: Version <IP_ADDRESS>.0 - Production
[10:18] <kaushal> NLSRTL Version <IP_ADDRESS>.0 - Production
[10:18] <kaushal> SQL>
[10:18] <kaushal> It doesnot show as Standard Edition
[10:18] <kaushal> Please suggest
[10:28] <airtonix> !pastebin
[11:08] <StrangeCharm> i'm using ssh on a remote machine, and there's a lot of network latency between me and it. is there any way to make command-line administration suck less?
[11:17] <RoyK> StrangeCharm: a better network connection? :)
[11:19] <Slyboots> Okay; Privoxy bloody blows
[11:19] <StrangeCharm> RoyK, that'd be lovely, but it really just isn't possible
[11:19] <Slyboots> and not in the good way
[11:19] <StrangeCharm> Slyboots, try polipo?
[11:19] <StrangeCharm> RoyK, i was really looking for a way that makes the most of a bad situation
[11:19] <RoyK> StrangeCharm: what sort of connection is this?
[11:23] <StrangeCharm> RoyK, it's a satellite connection
[11:23] <StrangeCharm> the remote server is actually remote
[11:25] <kaushal> Hi
[11:26] <kaushal> Can i ask about query regarding Oracle DB Server ?
[11:26] <StrangeCharm> !ask kaushal
[11:26] <Slyboots> Huh..
[11:26] <Slyboots> Anyone seen ":afs3-fileserver" in netstat before?
[11:27] <kaushal> StrangeCharm: The only way to properly convert from an Enterprise Edition back to a
[11:27] <kaushal> Standard Edition is through an Export/Import operation. This way you will
[11:27] <kaushal> get rid of all Enterprise Edition specific Data Dictionary objects, as the
[11:27] <kaushal> SYS schema objects are not exported. The Standard Edition EXP utility is
[11:27] <kaushal> preferred to be used to export the data.
[11:27] <kaushal> After the Import in the Standard Edition database, you only need to drop
[11:27] <kaushal> all user schemas related to Enterprise Edition features, such as the MDSYS
[11:27] <kaushal> account (used with Oracle Spatial).
[11:27] <kaushal> How do i drop all user schemas related to Enterprise Edition features, such as the MDSYS account (used with Oracle Spatial).
[11:30] <Slyboots> This is quite mysterious; I cant seem to track down what this afs-fileserver process is
[11:31] <Slyboots> And now its vanished
[11:31] <oCean> kaushal: use pastebin to paste multiple lines. Also, I think #oracle would be more appropriate channel to ask
[11:31] <kaushal> ok
[11:32] <swvist> Hello guys, i tried installing a ubuntu 10.04 server edition on HP proliant dl385 g5p using a bootable USB. After installation, i am not able to boot into the OS.
[11:33] <swvist> it says "attempting to boot from c:" and stops there.
[11:33] <swvist> any help will be appreciated. i am new to this.
[11:36] <\sh> swvist: on the usb was there the alternate installation?
[11:36] <\sh> alternate installation media, i mean
[11:37] <swvist> nope...
[11:37] <\sh> well, I never used an usb media as installation media.always used server media but more often automatic installation stuff
[11:39] <swvist> even i did that but it wont boot. it wont reach grub.
[11:39] <swvist> :-(
[11:40] <\sh> well, all our hps are booting without any problems? problems with your MBR ? smartarray problems?
[11:41] <\sh> just installing many HP blade servers and 365 G5 G7 / 385 G5 G5P G6 and G7 right now
[11:43] <swvist> I was able to run a live cd of desktop version. I installed it as well. When i reboot, it gets stuck, "Attempting to boot from c:"
[11:43] <\sh> so grub is not written correctly in the MBR
[11:44] <swvist> So how do i fix this?
[11:47] <\sh> well grub should be written at the end..it will ask you to write in into the MBR
[12:15] <kaushal> oCean: no one is responding there :(
[12:15] <kaushal> on #oracle
[12:15] <oCean> that does not make it an ubuntu issue, right?
[12:15] <kaushal> yeah
[12:16] <kaushal> but since this is a #ubuntu-server
[12:16] <kaushal> I believed i will get some help
[12:16] <oCean> kaushal: the topic is clearly ubuntu, not oracle. Your question is ALL about oracle
[12:45] <lieuwe> I've got an upstart job that starts a game server, but when stopping this job it should send some text to stdin and wait for it to exit, how do I make this happen?
[12:50] <lieuwe> halp?
[12:53] <lieuwe> also, is the kill timeout directive in an upstart job in seconds?
[13:02] <gobbe> i have installed several servers using usb-media
[13:04] <RoyK> lieuwe: what game server is this? and what do you mean send text to stdin?
[13:05] <RoyK> lieuwe: some magick with /proc/pid/fd, maybe ? :)
[13:06] <lieuwe> RoyK: it's a minecraft server, and the server software reads stdin for server commands, so I want to send it "/stop" to make it come down cleanly.
[13:07] <lieuwe> RoyK: anyway, I got a different solution in place now, so nvm.
[13:07] <RoyK> k
[15:57] <Doonz> Im trying to expand my partition. Is there a cli guide i can follow?
[15:58] <Doonz> i performed a online migration of my raid 5 array and added 2 more disc into it. Now i need to find a tutorial on howto add the new space into the current partition
[16:07] <pmatulis> Doonz: using lvm?
[16:08] <Doonz> no
[16:08] <pmatulis> Doonz: well, how else do you "expand a partition"?
[16:09] <Doonz> wel you can resize partitions in windows with no problems
[16:09] <Doonz> so not sure what your asking
[16:09] <Doonz> basically my array went from 4tb to 7tb and now i just want to roll that space into the partion
[16:12] <pmatulis> Doonz: the only way i know to give space of a new disk to a partition on a separate disk is to use lvm
[16:15] <Doonz> ok thank you
[16:41] <\sh> pmatulis: parted can do a resize..but I don't know how reliable that is
[16:44] <geekbri> Im sharing folders with ubunut 10.04 through vmware fusion, and when i boot it automatically shares it under uid 501,group dialout, i set my own fstab to mount it with different users, and it works if i umount /mnt/hgfs then mount -a  but on boot it doesn't use the settings from my /etc/fstab.  Any ideas?
[16:45] <gobbe> what is the line in fstab
[16:46] <geekbri> gobbe: .host:/ /mnt/hgfs vmhgfs rw,ttl=1,uid=unity,gid=www-data,nobootwait 0 0
[16:56] <pmatulis> \sh: but not disk to disk
[16:57] <\sh> pmatulis: raid5 gives a volume, which shows one device, so it should be possible
[16:59] <gobbe> geekbri: but it will mount anyway on boot?
[17:00] <geekbri> gobbe: I discovered the problem, in the vmware-tools init script that loads the mounting module, it also performs a mount
[17:01] <gobbe> yes
[17:11] <pmatulis> \sh: right.  i guess the method depends on whether he's using h/w or s/w RAID
[17:12] <RoyK> the answer is zfs :P
[17:12] <gobbe> :)
[17:12] <gobbe> you can extend ext3/4 also
[17:13] <RoyK> sure, but no block-level checksumming, no compression, no good raid solution
[17:14] <gobbe> compression isn't really so fancy, first is the biggest feature missing
[17:14] <gobbe> :)
[17:15] <RoyK> btrfs has checksumming, but currently no support for raid except mirroring
[17:16] <RoyK> gobbe: http://pastebin.com/zRaDFFZ8 ;)
[17:16] <gobbe> :)
[17:17] <RoyK> bunch of 2TB drives :P
[17:18] <gobbe> how much you can get iops?
[17:19] <RoyK> pretty low last I checked, but then, it's for backup storage, so it works well - it can easily sustain a 10Gbps link, which is what it has
[17:20] <gobbe> :)
[17:20] <gobbe> proper ssd-cache and sata-disks with zfs
[17:20] <gobbe> <3
[17:21] <RoyK> the L2ARC devices were out of stock, so we're getting them in a few weeks
[17:21] <RoyK> erm
[17:21] <RoyK> SLOG devices
[17:21] <RoyK> the L2ARCs are RealSSD C300
[17:25] <RoyK> but it seems some of the drives are rather bad http://pastebin.com/cAPNiB1A
[17:26] <florinel> hello
[17:26] <RoyK> evening, florinel :)
[17:27] <florinel> how are you?
[17:28] <RoyK> fine, thanks, what can we do for you?
[17:30] <florinel> does anyone have any experience with installing linux server on parallels as a gues on a mac?
[17:30] <RoyK> I haven't tried that - I'm using virtualbox on my mac
[17:30] <RoyK> works well
[17:31] <RoyK> dunno how updated parallels is these days
[17:32] <florinel> the IP applied to the linux instance is not something within my lan
[17:32] <grymlock> Hello everyone, I am running Ubuntu Server 10 and having an issue accessing it via port 11211.  I do a netstat -an and it show that port is active on IP <IP_ADDRESS> (localhost) and not the actual IP of the server.  Anyone have any idea what I need to do to get port 11211 active on the actual servers IP?
[17:33] <RoyK> memcached?
[17:33] <gobbe> parallels works fine
[17:33] <RoyK> florinel: which ip?
[17:34] <grymlock> yes
[17:34] <florinel> ifconfig shows something that's assigned by my cable connection
[17:34] <florinel> it's not within the 192.168.1.##
[17:34] <grymlock> The IP of the server is <IP_ADDRESS> and itis coming up <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:35] <pmatulis> grymlock: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/memcached.1.html
[17:36] <RoyK> grymlock: see http://tinyurl.com/4skwy56
[17:37] <grymlock> Thanks....I think I see the problem.....
[17:54] <pmatulis> RoyK: ahhh, thaatt's meean
[17:57] <RoyK> :D
[18:00] <grymlock> exit
[18:01] <grymlock> quit
[18:01] <RoyK> well, he found it
[18:03] <pmatulis> heh
[18:03] <gobbe> nice, less than 2 months old OCZ Vertex just died
[18:03] <gobbe> :D
[18:04] <pmatulis> gobbe: i would have expected a different smiley
[18:05] <gobbe> well...i'll go and switch it to new tomorrow
[18:05] <pmatulis> gotcha
[18:06] <gobbe> sorry, it didn't even last 2 months
[18:06] <gobbe> date of purchase: 15.12.2010
[18:06] <gobbe> :D
[18:06] <gobbe> one month!
[18:27] <RoyK> wtf - my backup drive just died
[18:40] <gobbe> :D
[18:40] <gobbe> something going on :-D
[18:43]  * pmatulis has heard of recent mass animal deaths, now this...
 Doonz: the only way i know to give space of a new disk to a partition on a separate disk is to use lvm
[19:33] <qman__> you can grow some filesystems
[19:33] <qman__> resize the partition with parted, then grow to fill the space
[19:33] <qman__> it's technically risky but growing isn't anywhere near as risk as shrinking
[20:08] <geekbri> guys im trying to build php but i keep getting the following error, configure: error: Cannot find libtidy,  but i have libtidy installed as well as tidy. any ideas?
[20:13] <geekbri> ok well, i solved the problem, you need libtidy-dev as well!
[20:23] <JanC> geekbri: in general, to compile things you always need the -dev package
[20:23] <geekbri> JanC: yeah for some reason since it was libtidy for some reason i thought it would be the proper package.  I just wasn't thinking i suppose.
[20:37] <opengeard> Is system beep despite blacklisting pcspkr and snd_pcsp a known issue?
[20:37] <opengeard> ubuntu 10.04.1 lts
[20:39] <RoyK> As the self-pronounced storage expert I wish to be, I should have taken more care of my own data - my 1,5TB backup drive just fell 30cm and hit the floor and started to make some funny sounds....
[21:59] <opengeard> Anyone here run flume/hadoop, openstack or eucalyptus?


[01:53] <robert_ancell> TheMuso`, you're working on bug 1266312?
[01:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1266312 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Mute button is not labelled and Test sound button does not activate with Orca" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266312
[01:53] <robert_ancell> TheMuso`, if so, do you also want bug 1266291?
[01:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1266291 in gnome-control-center-unity (Ubuntu) "Workspace switcher toggle in Appearance Behaviour tab not available to Orca" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266291
[02:07] <TheMuso`> robert_ancell: Yeah I am actually working on both, just haven't assigned myself to the latter. I'll do that now.
[02:08] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, awesome, thanks
[02:19] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, attente_, I assume bug 1270555 is related to what you were talking about before - is that a dup, can someone be assigned to that?
[02:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1270555 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "The Text Entry dialog shows invalid keyboard shortcuts to change layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1270555
[02:30]  * bschaefer looks
[02:31] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, ill save that for attente_ to take a look. Looks like it could be a different one possibly...
[02:32] <robert_ancell> bschaefer, he might be offline, so I'll assign it to him :)
[02:32] <bschaefer> robert_ancell, sounds good :)
[07:06] <pitti> Good morning
[08:51] <diwic> hi, I'm trying to test some changes in unity-settings-daemon, what's the recommended procedure? Uninstall gnome-session ?
[09:03] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:03] <seb128> happy friday
[09:03] <diwic> seb128, good morning to you too!
[09:03] <seb128> diwic, why? you should be able to just install it?
[09:03] <seb128> diwic, hey ;-)
[09:03] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <Laney> happy friday indeed
[09:03] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you?
[09:04] <diwic> seb128, so your workflow would be bzr branch lp:unity-settings-daemon, hack, and then...?
[09:04] <seb128> diwic, bzr bd; sudo dpkg -i ../build-area/*.deb
[09:04] <seb128> unity-settings-daemon --replace --debug
[09:04] <seb128> or just copy the plugin .so over the system one
[09:05] <diwic> seb128, but unity-settings-daemon conflicts with gnome-session ?
[09:05] <seb128> diwic, it shouldn't
[09:05] <Laney> it sure doesn't
[09:05] <diwic> let me double check
[09:06] <Laney> seb128: I'm good thanks, you?
[09:07] <diwic> aha, maybe I'm just missing a dist-upgrade
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, I'm good thanks
[09:07] <seb128> diwic, robert_ancell did an upload this night to make gnome-session depends on g-s-d-schemas instead of g-s-d
[09:07] <seb128> but g-s-d and u-s-d should be co-installable
[09:07] <seb128> those changes are only if you want to remove g-s-d
[09:07] <seb128> that you don't need to do
[09:08] <diwic> seb128, I saw the breaks: gnome-session was versioned, and I seem not to have dist-upgraded in a while, so probably it's just that
[09:08] <seb128> k
[09:09] <seb128> diwic, is there any way to simulate an unknown audio device plugin to test your feature?
[09:25] <diwic> seb128, in the next merge I'll add that TESTDIALOG define
[09:25] <darkxst> heyo desktopers
[09:26] <seb128> darkxst, hey
[09:26] <seb128> diwic, ok
[09:26] <darkxst> hey seb128
[09:27] <diwic> seb128, hopefully today, I just got busy with a hwe bug that needs to take priority first
[09:29] <seb128> no worry
[09:31] <darkxst> seb128, so I was going to say I had a ppa for you to test, however I am hitting weird build failures
[09:33] <seb128> darkxst, is that about gnome-desktop?
[09:33] <darkxst> seb128, yes of course
[09:33] <seb128> not giving up are you ;-)
[09:33] <seb128> well, as said I doubt I've slot for it
[09:33] <darkxst> nope!
[09:33] <seb128> I've a list worth a month of work to check/land before ff next week
[09:34] <seb128> things are getting slightly out of control there
[09:34] <darkxst> right I will find another slot to land it
[09:34] <seb128> well, don't block on me
[09:34] <seb128> but I'm still of the opinion that it wouldn't be reasonable to land that before the LTS
[09:34] <darkxst> just saying, something broke....
[09:34] <seb128> what's the issue/error?
[09:35] <darkxst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/166020771/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.gnome-settings-daemon_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu9~trusty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[09:36] <darkxst> looks like api changes but this built fine a couple of weeks ago :(
[09:36] <darkxst> and gsd-cursor-manager is completely unrelated to the display config stuff
[09:37] <darkxst> idle-monitor is included in the new packages btw
[10:24] <seb128> don't upgrade people
[10:25] <seb128> (guess it's late for most morning upgraders)
[10:26] <larsu> seb128: uh oh. What broke?
 hey, daily update left my system with this:
[10:26] <seb128>  apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:26] <seb128>
[10:26] <seb128> being discussed on #ubuntu-devel atm
[10:26] <seb128> I'm going to keep you guys updated
[10:26] <larsu> thanks :)
[10:28] <seb128> larsu, is apt-get complaining about that for you?
[10:29] <Laney> hum
[10:29] <seb128> in fact that version got promoted 41 minutes ago
[10:29] <seb128> so maybe most europeans updated before it hit the archive
[10:30] <seb128> if some downloaded it, you can try to wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.8/4.8.2-15ubuntu3/+build/5578881/+files/libgcc1_4.8.2-15ubuntu3_amd64.deb and install it
[10:33] <larsu> seb128: no, I didn't get that
[10:33] <larsu> I updated earlier though
[10:34] <seb128> k
[10:34] <seb128> stay away from the update trigger ;-)
[10:34]  * larsu stays away
[10:41] <Sweetshark> Moin all, btw!
[10:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[11:03] <Laney> postinsts R US
[11:03]  * Laney offers a sacrifice to the gods of debian policy
[11:06] <seb128> speaking of those
[11:06] <seb128> mvo, hey, how are you?
[11:07] <seb128> mvo, do you think you could have a look to the aptdaemon tests failing/ftbfs in trusty?
[11:30]  * seb128 looks at pitti
[11:30] <pitti> bonjour seb128, hey mvo
[11:30] <seb128> pitti, salut, ça va ?
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: err, it's green? http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-aptdaemon/27/
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, seems like bug #1051951 regressed again (I didn't try for a while, but just plugged my ipod to test something and I get an usb stick icon)
[11:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1051951 in gvfs "music players are shown as usb drive not devices" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051951
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, merci ! très mieux que trusty aujourd'hui ☺
[11:31] <seb128> trusty :/
[11:32] <seb128> bah, launchpad timeout
[11:32] <pitti> seb128: queueing for investigation
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, it's not the autopkgtest that fails, it's the tests run during the build
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, ID_MEDIA_PLAYER is set for the device
[11:33] <pitti> seb128: ah, it's the same test, but hte last time aptdaemon was run was on Dec 13
[11:33] <pitti> so it probably fails now due to some change
[11:34] <pitti> seb128: oh, you mean the FTBFS of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptdaemon/1.1.1-1ubuntu2
[11:34] <seb128> pitti, yes
[11:42] <pitti> mvo, seb128: hm, on trunk I only get a PEP-8 failure
[11:43]  * pitti goes to fix them while wrestling with upgrade failures
[12:00] <seb128> pitti, ok, maybe some fix to cherrypick there then
[12:01] <seb128> pitti, btw I was looking at you for the gvfs issue, but thanks for picking up the aptdaemon one ;-)
[12:02] <pitti> seb128: ah, that was mostly a quick drive-by thing, still deep in wrestling with upgrade issues; I'll keep gvfs on the radar, though
[12:05] <seb128> pitti, I tried to debug a bit, I can continue doing it if you want
[12:06] <seb128> well, rather I check basic stuff like that the old patch didn't get dropped
[12:06] <seb128> and that the ID_MEDIA_PLAYER property is defined in udev output
[12:34] <seb128> mpt, hey, what do you think about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1280274? does the label suggestion makes sense there?
[12:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1280274 in deja-dup (Ubuntu) "The control panel includes a switch without description" [Undecided,New]
[12:38] <tjaalton> is something broken with the keyboard layout? the switcher shows correct layout but I need to click it to take it in use, otherwise it's using us layout after login
[12:39] <seb128> tjaalton, not a known issue, you are the first one to describe that
[12:39] <seb128> wfm
[12:39] <tjaalton> yeah it happens at least on one laptop
[12:40] <tjaalton> but only on my session
[12:41] <tjaalton> huh, now it works for me too..
[12:42] <denisw> keyboard switching also changed for me too a few days ago (trusty) - since then, it is suddenly triggered with Ctrl-Space instead of Super-Space, which is really annoying with Emacs
[12:42] <denisw> i don't know if this was a side effect of installing & trying out gnome-shell last week
[12:47] <Trevinho> seb128: decorations menus are back, fyi.
[12:48] <seb128> Trevinho, I saw the mp, great, thanks!
[12:48] <Trevinho> even on panel now... is that enough for landing?
[12:52] <seb128> Trevinho, wfm
[12:53] <seb128> what's the status of the current CI train landing ask?
[12:53] <seb128> do you guys plan to land the current version and do another landing soon
[12:53] <seb128> or to update to include some extra fixes?
[12:56] <Trevinho> seb128: I think we'd like to land asap... THe last AP tests given 7 failures (well, hundreds on intel, but I guess there's something broken with the test machine there)... So, we should be ok
[12:56] <seb128> nice
[12:56] <seb128> works fine on my machine (out of the dash bg thing)
[13:13] <Laney> is it in a CI silo?
[13:13] <Laney> I'll try it
[13:15] <seb128> Laney, the new unity? it's in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-003/ but that doesn't include the decorator menu Trevinho was just mentioning
[13:15] <seb128> testing would be welcome still
[13:15] <Laney> ah
[13:15] <seb128> since that's candidate for landing ;-)
[13:15] <Laney> if it exists it can be included in this landing
[13:15] <Trevinho> Laney: we need also bamf
[13:15] <Laney> & that ;-)
[13:16] <seb128> Trevinho, you can keep appending vcs-es to the landing ask and ask them to reconfigure the silo
[13:16] <seb128> Laney, seems like they want to do a landing with what they have an another one with other nicety next week
[13:16] <Trevinho> seb128: ehm I probably didn't understand :)
[13:16] <seb128> going the ball rolling again, we didn't have unity landing for ages and the changeset is non trivial
[13:16] <Trevinho> not at all
[13:16] <Laney> thought you were talking about "no regressions" the other day
[13:17] <seb128> yeah, that would be my stance
[13:17] <seb128> but I'm not the one deciding, I just gave my opinion
[13:17] <Trevinho> we "no regress"... mostly. :)
[13:17] <seb128> Trevinho, the CI train table lists the branches to land
[13:17] <seb128> if you are not happy with the current set you can work on a fix and add an extra branch to the request
[13:17] <seb128> the ppa gets it and you can retest
[13:18] <seb128> iterate until happy
[13:18] <seb128> then you can land
[13:18] <Laney> yep
[13:18] <Laney> if bamf is needed it should be added in any case
[13:18] <Trevinho> indeed
[13:18] <seb128> it's already in the slot
[13:18] <seb128> that's a compiz/unity/nux/bamf set
[13:18] <seb128> so you can add branches for bamf as well
[13:18] <Laney> ya, needs to be listed
[13:19] <Laney> hum, maybe 4.4 fixes that scan-for-operators script
[13:19]  * Laney reboots to see if it works after that
[13:19]  * Laney : master of randomly changing the subject
[13:38] <seb128> pitti, time for another beer, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316? ;-)
[13:42] <pitti> seb128: heh; well, if anything that just means more work for us in the long run, but we had that coming :)
[13:42] <mdeslaur> seb128: a small taste of what to look forward to: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1043212
[13:42] <mdeslaur> :)
[13:42] <ubot2`> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1043212 in systemd "something creating /var/run/nologin" [High,New]
[13:42] <popey> "and be as pleasant to work with"
[13:42] <seb128> pitti, yeh
[13:47] <Laney> bugs are fun
[13:48] <Laney> upstart was rebooting my computer on dist-upgrades recently; nobody is innocent :-)
[13:49] <mdeslaur> bugs are normal, the more code churn, the less tests, the more bugs
[13:49] <seb128> did you found the issue/what was happening?
[13:49] <Laney> yeah, it's fixed now
[13:50] <seb128> what was it?
[13:50] <Laney> umm, can't remember exactly
[13:50] <Laney> something was doing 'telinit u', which was crashing init I think
[13:50] <seb128> k, don't worry, I was just curious
[13:51] <Laney> u → please re-exec yourself
[13:51] <Laney> like if it was mid-upgrade or something
[13:51] <jodh> seb128, Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1269731 - invalid jobs were causing the failure. Amazing how many eyes looked at the code and missed that one :)
[13:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1269731 in upstart (Ubuntu) "init crashed with SIGSEGV" [Critical,Fix released]
[13:51] <Laney> jodh: ya
[13:51] <Laney> anyway I only brought it up as an example of bugs being everywhere
[13:52] <Laney> and pointing at particular examples not being too helpful
[13:52] <seb128> jodh, thanks
[13:52] <seb128> Laney, right, I'm still happy that you figured it out, it was disturbing to have a bug reboot systems out there
[13:52] <Laney> seb128: no credit for me, jodh got it
[14:20] <seb128> tedg, hey, still working on inkscape? can you get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/inkscape/+bug/1248174 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/165669413/1248174-Ubuntu-colour-palette-different-from-design_ubuntu_com.patch upstream?
[14:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1248174 in inkscape (Ubuntu) "The Ubuntu colour palette in Inkscape is different from the one in design.ubuntu.com" [Low,In progress]
[14:21] <tedg> Sure
[14:21] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[14:23] <dobey> did anyone else notice that the new theme package breaks the theme? the mail view in evolution has a black background now and i can't read any mail
[14:30] <seb128> dobey, that's one app
[14:30] <seb128> but that might be due to https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/dont-set-all-bgs/+merge/197234
[14:30] <larsu> very likely it is...
[14:31] <ochosi> just saying, but evolution has visual bugs with every theme
[14:31] <Laney> it does some weird stuff
[14:31] <ochosi> users reported that against the main xubuntu theme (greybird) as well, we also had testers with adwaita who could reproduce the issue
[14:32] <ochosi> luckily, in xubuntu i can say "i don't care (enough)"
[14:33] <dobey> ochosi: it worked fine yesterday. today it is broken.
[14:33] <seb128> dobey, you might want to try unloading overlay-scrollbar in cases it helps, but I doubt it, it would have been buggy before
[14:34] <seb128> dobey, right, it's likely the mp I pointed, that just landed, evo probably has some custom widget that needs special theming rules
[14:34] <dobey> seb128: afaik it's just webkit, but the layout of mail messages in it might break something
[14:35] <dobey> or well, might expose some behavior that other apps don't tend to hit
[14:35] <seb128> it's probably a widget that should set a bg color and doesn't
[14:35] <seb128> the theme was setting it for all widgets before
[14:35] <seb128> it stopped doing that
[14:36] <dobey> hah
[14:36] <dobey> it's just webkit
[14:36] <dobey> if you open online accounts and add an oauth account, the area where the webkit is is all black until the page loads
[14:36] <ochosi> larsu: just wondering, you guys decided to revert the greeter_mode in indicator-sound? (it's not there anymore, this is when it was added, which was already a while back: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-sound/add-greeter-mode/+merge/70339)
[14:37] <dobey> seb128: so if you just fix it to set the bg for webkit, it should fix the issue
[14:37] <ochosi> larsu: background: currently you can launch media-players in greeters that support indicators and don't explicitely blacklist -sound
[14:37] <dobey> larsu: ^^
[14:38] <seb128> ochosi, what do you mean?
[14:38] <larsu> ochosi: i-sound still has a greeter mode, but it doesn't show any players
[14:38] <larsu> should it?
[14:38] <larsu> dobey: thanks
[14:38] <ochosi> no, it definitely shows players in lightdm-gtk-greeter
[14:38] <ochosi> the other indicators are fine though (e.g. datetime or power)
[14:39] <ochosi> so setting the env_var works, i'd say
[14:39] <seb128> ochosi, I guess the gtk greeter is not setting the indicator mode?
[14:39] <seb128> oh
[14:39] <larsu> no, it doesn't look at the env var anymore
[14:39] <Laney> the plot thickens!
[14:39] <ochosi> :}
[14:40] <Laney> the panel gets the object paths back
[14:40] <dobey> larsu: if you do that, would an update make it out today?
[14:41] <larsu> do what?
[14:41] <seb128> dobey, we can ask for one, then it's up to sil2100&co to see if we get a landing slot
[14:42] <seb128> larsu, he wants you to look at the webkitgtk bg color issue I think :p
[14:42] <larsu> ah, sorry I confused it with the i-sound debate
[14:42] <larsu> I don't think it's that easy, but I'll have a look
[14:44] <seb128> larsu, dobey: if I were you I would ask on #evolution on the GNOME irc if they know about a such issue, the evo guys are usually nice
[14:44] <seb128> that might be a "oh, yes, check that"
[14:45] <dobey> seb128: i just duplicated the exact same problem outside of evolution
[14:46] <seb128> dobey, right, you said, but those guys might know about webkitgtk issues
[14:48] <dobey> right, but i don't see how that will help exactly :)
[14:49] <seb128> having somebody telling you where to find a fix rather than having to debug it yourself?
[14:50] <seb128> that usually avoid wasting time
[14:50] <seb128> that's like the XError software-center was hitting, I did some round of upstream pinging with question and they helped
[14:50] <seb128> if I had tried to debug webkitgtk by myself, not knowing the code, I would probably still be debugging it
[14:57] <dobey> well, the "fix" would be a patch to webkitgtk itself i guess, so that it always draws the default bg
[14:57] <larsu> no
[14:57] <larsu> it gets the color from css
[14:57] <larsu> right now, we don't set one
[14:58] <dobey> workarounds would be patches to any apps that embed webkit to set the bg on it by default. or to have the theme to set it
[14:58] <dobey> larsu: well plain text e-mails don't have css
[14:58] <larsu> dobey: gtk theming css
[14:59] <dobey> larsu: then it sounds like my suggested fix is the right fix :)
[15:06] <hikiko> hello :)
[15:08] <larsu> dobey, seb128: hm, I was hoping this would fix it, but it doesn't: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/commit/?id=7e381493870177818d990e3a4e6e63f4f7b09915
[15:08] <larsu> and I don't have much more time to investigate this today unfortunately
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, can you get me off the CD image builds emails? ;-)
[16:16] <attente_> ChrisTownsend, for some reason the sticky edges setting is on even if i try to turn it off in g-c-c
[16:19] <ChrisTownsend> attente_: Strange, works here.
[16:29] <Laney> seb128: hahaha
[16:29] <Laney> that lasted long
[16:32] <seb128> Laney, I though I would receive emails only on build failures, not daily :p
[16:32] <Laney> oh, /those/ ones
[16:33] <Laney> you could filter them away?
[16:33] <seb128> yeah...
[16:33] <Laney> the failure ones are usually generally interesting
[16:33] <Laney> s/generally/genuinely/
[16:33] <seb128> right, that's why I said yes
[16:33] <seb128> but I don't want to get a daily email on days where there are no issue
[16:34] <Laney> ya
[16:34] <Laney> not willing to have your client delete them?
[16:34] <seb128> I guess I could put filtering
[16:34] <Laney> up to you
[16:34] <seb128> I need to get an actual failure to see what change/on what to filter
[16:35] <seb128> Laney, let's give it a try
[16:35] <Laney> I'd do "Daily CD health checks" → delete
[16:35] <seb128> so the failures ahve different titles?
[16:35] <Laney> there are two basic types
[16:35] <Laney> LiveFS ubuntu/trusty/i386 failed to build on 20140213
[16:36] <Laney> CD image lubuntu/trusty/daily-preinstalled failed to build on 20140212
[16:36] <seb128> k
[16:36] <seb128> thanks
[16:36] <Laney> couldn't find an Ubuntu example of the second type
[16:36] <Laney> it's more rare
[16:36] <seb128> I'm just going to filter the daily check to null then
[16:36] <Laney> nod
[16:37] <Laney> wtf
[16:37] <Laney> system-settings is
[16:37] <Laney> OMG
[16:37] <Laney> IS IT THAT SAME BUG
[16:37] <Laney> the Column ListItem one
[16:38] <seb128> ?
[16:38] <Laney> seriously ...
[16:38] <Laney> I added some printing and it gets the list of networks
[16:38] <Laney> if it's an SDK problem...
[16:38] <seb128> lol
[16:38] <seb128> I was thinking about that yesterday and then forgot to mention
[16:38] <Laney> I actually read the code of ofono
[16:38] <seb128> :-(
[16:38] <Laney> oh well
[16:38] <seb128> easy to test if it's the sdk
[16:39] <seb128> set an height for the column
[16:39] <seb128> random one, try 300
[16:39] <Laney> oh that fixes it too?
[16:39] <seb128> yes
[16:39] <Laney> was going to delete the column
[16:40] <Laney> there's inconsistent indentation on the Column too
[16:40]  * Laney twitches
[16:41] <Laney> yep, that was it
[16:41] <Laney> fail
[16:41] <seb128> :/
[16:41] <seb128> Laney, so it's working, just the toolkit screwed us?
[16:41] <Laney> yes
[16:42] <seb128> :/
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, rsalveti: jfyi
[16:42] <seb128> ^
[16:42] <Laney> well, I can't verify selection is working
[16:42] <kenvandine> ?
[16:42]  * kenvandine reads back
[16:42] <Laney> because I'm not allowed on any other network
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, the empty carriers list is an uitk bug
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1275861
[16:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1275861 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ItemSelector in Column not rendered" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:42] <kenvandine> ah!
[16:42] <Laney> kenvandine: why do we show 'forbidden' networks there?
[16:42] <Laney> we know that we're not allowed on them
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, the one I asked you to find somebody to assign while you were in Orlando
[16:43] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah, we got that assigned
[16:43] <kenvandine> Laney, i didn't know about forbidden :)
[16:43] <kenvandine> i don't recall seeing anything about forbidden, but i guess i wasn't really looking for it either
[16:43] <Laney> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/doc/network-api.txt#n181
[16:44] <Laney> probably only show available and current?
[16:44] <Laney> rsalveti: does that sound right?
[16:44] <Laney> well, I guess unknown too
[16:44] <Laney> ok, hide forbidden :P
[16:44] <kenvandine> makes sense to me
[16:44]  * rsalveti reads backlog
[16:45] <seb128> rsalveti, the ofono issue is not an ofono issue, it's an ui toolkit regression
[16:46] <rsalveti> argh
[16:46] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1276699 was related though
[16:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1276699 in ofono (Ubuntu) "scan-for-operator script fails: org.ofono.Error.Failed: Operation failed" [Undecided,Triaged]
[16:47] <Laney> rsalveti: still the question about if there's any point in displaying status: forbidden networks
[16:52] <rsalveti> Laney: I never saw such thing anywhere, but I saw empty lists
[16:52] <rsalveti> I'm able to reproduce that empty list behavior with another htc phone I have, but with android
[16:53] <Laney> rsalveti: what thing?
[16:57] <ogra_> seb128, a new UITK just landed in the archive
[16:57] <seb128> ogra_, yeah, I saw, it doesn't fix that bug though
[16:58] <ogra_> sad
[16:58] <seb128> indeed
[16:58] <Laney> it should be being prioritised imho
[16:58] <seb128> well, I pinged kenvandine for that and he got it assigned
[16:59] <seb128> the uitk team is busy with qt 5.2 coming and other stuffs I guess
[16:59] <kenvandine> yeah, bzoltan had me assign it right away... but looks like nobody looked at it past that :/
[17:00] <seb128> I'm going to ping them on monday
[17:00] <Laney> anyway, we can fix those two things
[17:00] <kenvandine> seb128, i just bumped the priority of the bug
[17:00] <kenvandine> it's affecting more and more things
[17:00] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[17:01] <kenvandine> and hopefully the bug mail will remind them :)
[17:01] <Laney> I already commented with the other bug link
[17:01] <Laney> but thanks
[17:01] <kenvandine> they were pretty overloaded all week last week with design
[17:01] <kenvandine> the sprint was a bit overwhelming i think
[17:02] <Laney> poor SDKers
[17:05] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/scale-factor-for-unity7-unity8/+merge/206240 looks fine to you?
[17:07] <kgunn> mlankhorst: ping
[17:08] <kgunn> mlankhorst: hey...we've got this new feature in mir to capture screen-cast...but it uncovered a bug in mesa
[17:08] <kgunn> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_activity.cgi?id=74563
[17:08] <Laney> seb128: dunno, why do we need to store it separately?
[17:08] <Laney> doesn't gtk have a setting for this?
[17:08] <kgunn> just wondering...what's the best way to get some love on that mesa bug since its blocking us
[17:09] <seb128> Laney, org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor you mean?
[17:09] <seb128> Laney, that's not by screen
[17:09] <Laney> okay, and what does shell use?
[17:09] <seb128> no idea
[17:10] <seb128> do they do scalling by monitor?
[17:10] <seb128> or just follow that scalling key from gsd?
[17:11] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien!
[17:11] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey
[17:11] <GunnarHj> seb128: Do you have time to assist with an upload of ubuntu-docs?
[17:11] <jasoncwarner> hey seb128 seeing a weird thing on a test machine this morning. I'm stuck at lightdm login screen for my user, but my guest session can get to a desktop.
[17:12] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes
[17:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: Everything is prepared in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/trusty
[17:12] <seb128> jasoncwarner, "stucked"? like it bounces you back after you auth to log in?
[17:12] <seb128> GunnarHj, ok, just standard bzr bd to build?
[17:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: We just need someone who 'push the button'.
[17:12] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, standard 'bzr bd'.
[17:13] <seb128> k
[17:14] <jasoncwarner> seb128: exactly that.
[17:14] <seb128> jasoncwarner, seems like your session fails to start, can you share ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session.log ?
[17:14] <seb128> GunnarHj, doing that in a bit
[17:14] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok, thanks!
[17:15] <mlankhorst> kgunn: remind me monday please
[17:15] <kgunn> mlankhorst: ta...have a nice weekend
[17:31] <seb128> dobey, is your issue https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=699576 ?
[17:31] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 699576 in general "Mail reader frame is black (in the mail view)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[17:33] <Laney> seb128: it's different to that
[17:33] <Laney> well, I think it is --- the body background is black too
[17:33] <Laney> for plaintext emails
[17:34] <dobey> seb128: sort of yes. for html mails it looks something like that screenshot. for plain text mails, the whole background of the view is black
[17:34] <Laney> it can't be the /same/ as that, as the revert I did is still in
[17:35] <dobey> and it's all webkitgtk views, not just evo
[17:35] <Laney> ya
[17:35] <Laney> evo could have been working around it though
[17:36] <dobey> well i see there's a patch in that bug that has status "committed"
[17:36] <dobey> but i don't know if it's in the version of evo that's in trusty
[17:36] <Laney> no, see the last comment
[17:36] <Laney> i'd just wait for lars to take a look
[17:36] <seb128> not going to happen before monday
[17:37] <Laney> yup
[17:37] <Laney> i think it can probably wait until then
[17:43] <hikiko> Laney, gnome has the text-scaling-factor
[17:43] <hikiko> which is not per monitor
[17:43] <seb128> hikiko, they also have org.gnome.desktop.interface scaling-factor, which is what GTK uses for the widgets scaling
[17:43] <hikiko> is it per monitor?
[17:44] <hikiko> I think this is for the whole desktop
[17:44] <seb128> no it's not
[17:44] <hikiko> our scale factor is a dictionary of "monitor name", value
[17:44] <hikiko> key=monitor name, value = an integer
[17:44] <seb128> that seems fine to me
[17:45] <seb128> Laney wanted to make sure we don't add a key where we could share one though
[17:45] <Laney> correct
[17:45] <hikiko> I see :)
[17:46] <Laney> When GNOME does this I'll be in favour of migrating to share the key then
[17:46] <desrt> hikiko: you're storing this dictionary in gsettings, right?
[17:46] <Laney> I'm assuming they wouldn't take a patch to the schemas now to add it there :-)
[17:47] <desrt> hikiko: when/how does this dictionary get updated?
[17:48] <hikiko> desrt, in the unity-control-center, it's not ready yet, I will submit an MP on monday or later
[17:48] <desrt> hikiko: so only the control center will ever change this value?
[17:48] <hikiko> yes
[17:49] <desrt> good :)
[18:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, uploaded
[18:28] <Trevinho> seb128: about that gdk issue with struts...
[18:29] <seb128> Trevinho, we got it resolved, not an unity issue
[18:29] <Trevinho> ah, ok...
[18:29] <seb128> Trevinho, sorry, I should have kept you updated
[18:29] <Trevinho> seb128: as I one weird thing I get here is that window action menus (right-click on decorations)... is showing over the panel on one screen and not in the other
[18:29] <seb128> right, same problem
[18:29] <seb128> it's a gtk bug
[18:29] <Trevinho> seb128: not a problem at all... I just was noticing that today with some menus only
[18:30] <seb128> Trevinho, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gdk/x11/gdkscreen-x11.c#n390
[18:30] <seb128> Trevinho, read that comment, that explains it ;-)
[18:31] <Trevinho> seb128:  good catch
[18:31] <seb128> Trevinho, you get the same issue if you open the display panel in the control center, the screen name tooltip overlap the panel on one of the panels
[19:06] <mvo> seb128: hi, sorry, did not see this earlier (re aptdaemon)
[19:06] <mvo> pitti: is adt using port 8080?
[19:06] <seb128> mvo, hey, how are you? no worry
[19:07] <mvo> pitti: just checking https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-apt/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/lastBuild/console and it looks like on one of the tests with the buildin webserver stuff fails and I wonder if it might be the adt environment
[19:07] <mvo> seb128: good, thanks. should I still look at this?
[19:08] <mvo> seb128: trying to make adt & apt happy currently
[19:08] <seb128> mvo, if you want to, that would be welcome, it would be handy to have aptdaemon building in trusty ;-)
[19:18] <mvo> ok
[19:32] <ochosi> bregma: light-locker 1.2 is released, would be great if you could package/upload it! thanks in advance!
[19:32] <bregma> ochosi, OK, thanks for the head-up
[19:36] <xclaesse> Hmm, firefox takes ~60% CPU when the facebook tab has focus
[19:36] <xclaesse> and goes down to 1% if I just switch tab
[19:37] <xclaesse> am I the only one to experience that?
[19:39] <xclaesse> seb128, since recent update in ubuntu 14.04, email are all black background in evolution
[19:40] <ochosi> yeah, that's been mentioned before tonight
[19:53] <ochosi> quick question, in Xubuntu i get "Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "unity-gtk-module", what's that about?
[20:36] <seb128> xclaesse, seems some widget doesn't set its bg color correctly
[20:36] <seb128> xclaesse, install https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build/+build/5561124/+files/light-themes_13.04%2B14.04.20140206.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb back as a workaround if needed
[20:37] <seb128> on that note, have a good w.e everyone
[21:25] <Laney> ochosi: dpkg -l unity-gtk*-module*?
[21:36] <GunnarHj> Laney: Still there?
[21:37] <Laney> GunnarHj: a little bit
[21:37] <GunnarHj> Laney: shaunm_ indicates that yelp 3.12 may not fit Unity very well, and suggests that we'd proably better skip it and wait for 3.14 (we are on 3.10 now. How do we pass that kind of info to people who might sync it later on?
[21:38] <Laney> GunnarHj: I don't think anyone will do that without testing
[21:38] <Laney> they'd get a beating if so
[21:40] <GunnarHj> Laney: That's right, of course. If the problem is obvious, the tests will show. But otherwise?
[21:40] <Laney> GunnarHj: umm, maybe mail ubuntu-desktop
[21:40] <Laney> I'd say file a bug from the link on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html but it's tracking 3.10 so yelp is up to date as far as it's concerned
[21:40] <GunnarHj> Laney: Do you really think that anyone would remember such a warning?  ;-)
[21:41] <Laney> I don't know of any strong mechanism
[21:41] <Laney> either people read lists and remember what they see, check things like versions, or they don't
[21:41] <GunnarHj> Laney: The doc team members will keep our eyes open. :)
[21:41] <Laney> either they test or they don't
[21:42] <Laney> but most people know that we're not taking 3.12 stuff so I doubt it'll be an issue
[21:44] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok. Guess that's safe enough.
[21:59] <Laney> GunnarHj: thanks for the warning though!
[22:00] <ochosi> Laney: thanks for the hint
[22:01] <Laney> ochosi: did you have -common and neither of the -gtk2/3 ones?
[22:01] <ochosi> Laney: i'm checking now where that came from, yeah, i guess i have some leftovers from testing the appmenu indicator in xfce
[22:01] <Laney> interesting
[22:02] <Laney> It's probably a bug that it asks for the module to be loaded even if it's not installed
[22:02] <ochosi> hm, i have unity-gtk-module-common and unity-gtk3-module
[22:02] <ochosi> so gtk2 is missing
[22:05] <Laney> k