[05:46] <meleeglow> didn't work gave me a page of code then I save it and then ubuntu couldn't open it
[05:46] <levander> jewbilee: you like amarok better than whatever the standard GNOME one is?
[05:47] <jewbilee> bruenig: i couldn't figure out what to do ^^;;
[05:47] <levander> jewbilee: how come?
[05:47] <e1> how do i have a transparent background for the panel bar
[05:47] <po0f> bruenig: Isn't Listen Mono ewwiness?
[05:47] <bruenig> well whatever works I guess
[05:47] <levander> e1: i think you need beryl for that
[05:47] <e1> i have beryl on tho
[05:47] <e1> how do i set it in beryl
[05:47] <levander> e1: no idea
[05:47] <bruenig> it might be mono I don't know
[05:47] <e1> k
[05:47] <jewbilee> levander: the first distro of linux i use was mandriva which used KDE and i just got used to amaroK, so I'm used to it
[05:47] <po0f> e1: I'm guessing it depends on your theme.
[05:47] <levander> jewbilee: ah, i see
[05:48] <jewbilee> yea
[05:48] <levander> jewbilee: i'm fighting in my head between KDE and GNOME, so I was just curious.
[05:48] <jewbilee> levanger: same with me
[05:48] <enigma32> Just for reference, to disable the framebuffer on the text-mode install, use the kernel option:    debian-installer/framebuffer=false
[05:48] <jewbilee> levander: i like gnome so far though, it's very clean
[05:48] <levander> jewbilee: yeah, exactly
[05:48] <passwordissaman> how do i know what kernal im running?
[05:48] <bruenig> kde has the best apps but is blindingly eye candied up
[05:48] <bruenig> passwordissaman, uname -r
[05:48] <po0f> passwordissaman: uname -r
[05:49] <po0f> *cries*
[05:49] <levander> jewbilee: GNOME seems cleaner.  But, KDE has a better API and more applications.  The API being a particularly bitter point because of the whole Mono thing in GNOME.
[05:49] <levander> jewbilee: That's my impression anyway.
[05:49] <jewbilee> levander: What do you mean by better API?
[05:49] <bruenig> I say xfce vs. kde that is the better battle
[05:49] <carutsu> lavander: i used GNOME but its too restrictive for me, i love KDE
[05:49] <levander> jewbilee: As a long time KDE user, you would personally say GNOME is cleaner?
[05:49] <carutsu> lavender, i just love the customizable KDE is
[05:49] <jewbilee> levander: hahaha if by long time you mean about a week, yes
[05:49] <po0f> levander: If by "cleaner" you mean "dumbed down", then yes GNOME is "cleaner" than KDE.  :)
[05:49] <enigma32> ...I'm still an enlightenment fan :-)
[05:50] <levander> bruenig: I'm about to try XFCE on a HTPC I'm building not there yet.
[05:50] <doviende> po0f: hahah
[05:50] <jewbilee> levander: i abandoned linux once, then came to ubuntu, then left again, and am now back
[05:50] <cybercod> meleeglow  this page has an excellent script for installing proprietary nvidia drivers
[05:50] <cybercod> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:50] <carutsu> levander: GNOME is faster i think, but its also less powerfull at my point of view
[05:50] <doviende> i'm noticing that a lot of gnome applets just show things, but you can't get any details from them and you can't set much
[05:50] <levander> carutsu: I went to install a theme in KDE, and there were like five different places you had to put files and stuff.  carutsu: In GNOME, there's one.  That's what we mean by cleaner.
[05:50] <theflyingfool> has anyone ever had an install cd where when you first burn it and check for defects it works, and then like a month later it fails
[05:50] <levander> carutsu: You wouldn't agree that GNOME is cleaner?
[05:50] <jewbilee> levander: what do you mean KDEs API is better?
[05:51] <bruenig> jewbilee, for developers
[05:51] <po0f> theflyingfool: It might be bad media.  What brand do you use?
[05:51] <jewbilee> bruenig: like, programming specifically for KDE?
[05:51] <carutsu> levander: well it is actually better planned or as you said cleaner
[05:51] <bruenig> jewbilee, creating kde apps
[05:51] <levander> jewbilee: KDE is written on the Qt library.  Which bases a lot of its ideas on what is now Apple's Cocoa.  It's very object oriented.
[05:51] <theflyingfool> the disc that was on was a stables disc
[05:51] <carutsu> levander but you are very restricted, in that it felt like windows to me
[05:51] <jewbilee> What language is it written in?
[05:52] <po0f> jewbilee: Qt/KDE == C++
[05:52] <levander> jewbilee: GNOME's GTK API has tons of little parameters for every method call, they don't use default values enough.
[05:52] <jewbilee> Im in AP Computer Science at my high school, and looking to do computer science for a major at college so anything programming interests me
[05:52] <carutsu> levander: however didn't you used the installer for the themes? its really easy that way
[05:52] <levander> carutsu: Which one is restricted, GNOME or KDE?
[05:52] <jewbilee> I was accepted to RIT for computer science
[05:52] <carutsu> GNOME
[05:52] <po0f> jewbilee: use Qt4 to learn, Qt3 sucks.
[05:52] <carutsu> levander:GNOME
[05:52] <carkeys> jewbilee: what HS do you go too?
[05:53] <jewbilee> ill stick with Java for now ;)
[05:53] <levander> carutsu: What installer?  I just found some instructions that came with a couple of themes.
[05:53] <jewbilee> Cape Henry Collegiate School
[05:53] <po0f> jewbilee: ...
[05:53] <peanutb> does anyone know how to correctly configure a Matrox 550 Graphics card on edgy correctly?
[05:53] <jewbilee> po0f: ?
[05:53] <carkeys> hmm
[05:53] <passwordissaman> when you guys move your screens around really fast, is it smooth?
[05:53] <carkeys> yes
[05:53] <carutsu> levander, eh? let me see
[05:53] <po0f> jewbilee: Oh, nothing...
[05:53] <kitche> passwordissaman: yes if I don't use vesa
[05:53] <jewbilee> po0f: its what the AP Computer Science course uses, I have no preference since it's the only one i Know
[05:53] <levander> carutsu: I personally thought KDE felt more like Windows, with its Start menu and System Settings that seemed a lot like Windows' Control Panel to me.
[05:54] <po0f> jewbilee: Java's nice enough I guess.  For a really good time, look into Jython.
[05:54] <bruenig> yeah, if I am going to make a break and evangelize about linux, I want it to look different
[05:54] <levander> peanutb: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" - I think you need the mga driver.
[05:54] <carutsu> levander: yes, but unlike windows you can do whatever you want, want it OS like? done, GNOME like? done
[05:54] <maheanuu_> I also am beginning to see that Gnome is a much more restricted desktop than Kde,
[05:54] <levander> Did I miss any comments on the GNOME vs. KDE thing that I didn't comment on?  I'm interested in that stuff right now.
[05:54] <jewbilee> anyone wanna tell me how to make a shortcut to my "My Documents" folder from my windows partition onto my ubuntu desktop
[05:55] <peanutb> levender, tried that many times, no avail, dapper works great though
[05:55] <levander> maheanuu_: How is it restricted?
[05:55] <peanutb> levander, tried that many times, no avail, dapper works great though
[05:55] <po0f> jewbilee: Create a launcher with `nautilus /windows/mount/point` as the command.
[05:55] <bruenig> jewbilee, right click on the desktop, create launcher, then make the command "nautlus /path/to/wherever/your/my/documents/folder/is"
[05:55] <bruenig> 1-1
[05:55] <maheanuu_> I am not finding the codecs, wether it is just me and the newness, I am not sure, but so far I cannot do very much in Gnome
[05:56] <po0f> ;D
[05:56] <bruenig> nautilus*
[05:56] <po0f> maheanuu_: The DE has nothing to do with your inability to find codecs.
[05:56] <VMT2007> oh god
[05:56] <levander> peanutb: You could try learning to configure Xorg.conf by hand.  Peanutb, or how about just copying your Xorg.conf from dapper into edgy?  Make sure to keep a safe copy if you do that though, in case it gets clobbered on Edgy later.
[05:57] <bruenig> kde looks too much like a fisher price OS
[05:57] <levander> peanutb: no way to recreate it on edgy, so need a good backup
[05:57] <VMT2007> you know that force quit thing that says "Click on a window to force the application to quit. To cancel press <ESC>." thing?
[05:57] <carutsu> see ya guys
[05:57] <Ashton_Ke> Okay, 2 questions.
[05:57] <base_16> bruenig: there's nothing to stop you from changing the theme to get away from that
[05:57] <VMT2007> It's stuck open above ALL OF MY WINDOWS. Is there any way to get rid of it?
[05:57] <enigma32> OK... new question:  The partitioner keeps failing saying that it can't mount my windows partition. It won't let me finish the installation because of this. Any ideas?
[05:57] <ImBrian> anyone using the NVidia driver on Ubuntu?
[05:57] <bruenig> can I get rid of those damn dragons
[05:57] <peanutb> levander, ok ill try that, thanks
[05:57] <maheanuu_> Again, I am only a new user, even tho I have been passing out distros since warty was released, When I go home, I carry at least a hundred CD's home and pass them out, really ticks off the microsoft and apple dealerships when they see free os's being handed out
[05:57] <jewbilee> KDE had too many visual bells and whistles to me
[05:57] <levander> maheanuu_: there's a RestrictedFormats page on wiki.ubuntu.com that tells you how to install the codecs for GNOME
[05:57] <bruenig> I hate those dragons
[05:57] <Ashton_Ke> It appears, that my onboard sound worked with Edgy (straight from the disc), but the upgrades killed it. Any suggestion?
[05:57] <hope13> does Ubuntu have Ruby Installed by default?
[05:57] <hope13> !ruby
[05:57] <ubotu> ruby: An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.2-1 (edgy), package size 18 kB, installed size 96 kB
[05:57] <carutsu> hope13 np
[05:58] <carutsu> no
[05:58] <TheLance> well
[05:58] <po0f> VMT2007: What's the hung program in question?
[05:58] <bruenig> !info ruby1.9
[05:58] <ubotu> ruby1.9: Interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby 1.9. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.9.0+20060609-1 (edgy), package size 228 kB, installed size 316 kB
[05:58] <VMT2007> no, no, I cancelled the force quit operation but the thing is stuck.
[05:58] <TheLance> brian I am
[05:58] <TheLance> they work fine
[05:58] <carutsu> why are the icons in OOo diferent in linux than in Windows?
[05:58] <ImBrian> TheLance, For some reason, I have to reinstall the driver upon every boot.
[05:59] <ImBrian> giving an API Mismatch error
[05:59] <TheLance> i have been having problems gettting SLI to work though
[05:59] <VMT2007> carutsu: different version perhaps
[05:59] <VMT2007> or a different OOo theme
[05:59] <bruenig> carutsu, ask the open office people about that
[05:59] <TheLance> thats weird
[05:59] <ImBrian> I'm not using SLI
[05:59] <TheLance> do you have a .deb
[05:59] <po0f> ImBrian: You didn't try using beta NVIDIA drivers now, did you?
[05:59] <TheLance> well i'm just saying
[05:59] <TheLance> or did you make one?
[05:59] <ImBrian> po0f, no
[05:59] <carutsu> VMT2007 no, actually the same 2.0.4
[05:59] <jewbilee> bruenig: I keep getting an error with the launcher
[05:59] <TheLance> how did you install it?
[05:59] <ImBrian> sudo ./NVidia-whatever from their site
[05:59] <carutsu> bruening actually i though it was an ubuntu related topic like the iconbs in firefox...
[05:59] <po0f> ImBrian: ...
[05:59] <TheLance> well try the update manager
[06:00] <TheLance> and install the driver from there first
[06:00] <TheLance> then install the nvdia drivers
[06:00] <Ashton_Ke> Other question, anyone know of any good software to run RAID 1 (preferably so that it'd be hot-swappable, in case of disc failure)
[06:00] <TheLance> if you update it might revert back
[06:00] <ImBrian> I'd rather not use the driver in the repo
[06:00] <po0f> ImBrian: You just broke a whole bunch of symlinks.
[06:00] <bruenig> jewbilee, what are you putting for the command
[06:00] <maheanuu_> I will not be going home until around June, but have downloaded all the latest Ubuntu discs and am sending 10 copies of each with my wife when she goes home in feb. to pass on to a nephew who is a comp. sci grad from our university in Papeete
[06:00] <jewbilee> nautilus /hdc1/Documents and Settings/Ian/My Documents/
[06:00] <niru> hello all
[06:00] <TheLance> well just install the driver in the repo for now
[06:01] <TheLance> and hten install the nvidia
[06:01] <bruenig> jewbilee, yeah linux doesn't like spaces
[06:01] <jewbilee> bruenig: suggestion?
[06:01] <bruenig> jewbilee, practice in the terminal until you figure out the command
[06:01] <TheLance> cause i bet its an updating issue thats causing the installation at every reboot
[06:01] <po0f> jewbilee: Try `nautilus "/hdc1/Documents and Settings/Ian/My Documents"
[06:01] <ImBrian> TheLance, I think by running the NVidia driver installer, it breaks things for the driver in the repo though
[06:01] <Red-Sox[away] > I really need to get iTunes running in Ubuntu
[06:01] <bruenig> or you can put \ before all of the spaces
[06:01] <TheLance> yeah thats why you have to install it at every boot
[06:01] <Red-Sox[away] > Wine works not
[06:01] <ImBrian> I tihnk that I have remnants of the restricted driver that are trying to load
[06:01] <po0f> ImBrian: Do you remember what version of the driver you installed?
[06:02] <TheLance> because ubuntu is having some issues with it
[06:02] <VMT2007> anyway that damn force quit dialog is hung on my desktop
[06:02] <ImBrian> 1.0-9746
[06:02] <bruenig> Red-Sox[away] , why do you need ituns running
[06:02] <bruenig> itunes*
[06:02] <carutsu> Red-Sox[away]  have you tried wine?
[06:02] <po0f> ImBrian: That's beta, AFAIK.
[06:02] <TheLance> well does anyone have an answer to why my ubuntu box is taking longer to boot then normal
[06:02] <po0f> ImBrian: Anyways, do you want to stick with this driver or use the one from the repos?
[06:02] <TheLance> its stuck ath the boot screen for the longest time
[06:02] <ImBrian> nei, it's not beta
[06:02] <Red-Sox[away] > bruenig: Because it has the best music store I've seen
[06:02] <VMT2007> Red-Sox[away] : try an alternative
[06:02] <Red-Sox[away] > carutsu: Yeah, ti doesn't work
[06:02] <ImBrian> I'd def. prefer using the ones from NVidia
[06:02] <VMT2007> Banshee has an iTunes Store plugin
[06:02] <bruenig> oh you buy your music, gotcha
[06:03] <Red-Sox[away] > VMT2007: Does it support gift cards?
[06:03] <VMT2007> no clue
[06:03] <carutsu> Red-Sox[away]  why do you need iTunes? there are plenty other players actually
[06:03] <VMT2007> I don't buy my music through iTunes, rofl.
[06:03] <TheLance> i still cant get banshee to connect to my ipod though
[06:03] <slicky> how do i make an exact copy of a dvd in to a iso file?   without shrinking it?  something with dd:  in bash.. cant remeber :$
[06:03] <TheLance> i cna't put any songs on it
[06:03] <Red-Sox[away] > carutsu: I know but I really like the music store
[06:03] <VMT2007> I buy it through other channels... "Buy"
[06:03] <po0f> ImBrian: You'll have to apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx* linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` then.
[06:03] <TheLance> as a matter of fact i haven't been able to do hat with my ipod in linux ever
[06:03] <carkeys> real quick:how do i enable the root account?
[06:03] <VMT2007> Red-Sox[away] : iTunes doesn't even run that well in Wine
[06:03] <Red-Sox[away] > VMT2007: ZOMG IRAA IS KNOCKING AT YOUR DOOR
[06:03] <Red-Sox[away] > >.>
[06:03] <Red-Sox[away] > VMT2007: I know
[06:03] <VMT2007> They stopped publishing the Linux version
[06:03] <bruenig> slicky, maybe dd if=/dev/hd? of=~/whatever.iso
[06:03] <tyme-> Anyone know where the Dbus service is located?
[06:03] <Red-Sox[away] > VMT2007: It doesn't run in wine
[06:04] <VMT2007> You COULD find an old version of iTunes for Linux
[06:04] <jewbilee> Alright, using a combination of escaping the spaces using \ and adding /media/ before the /hdc1/ it worked
[06:04] <carutsu> Red-Sox[away]  er well im afraid i cant help you but you should not buy there all the music is protected and will be a pain if you try to play it on other players
[06:04] <VMT2007> but you'd probably have to install it with alien
[06:04] <slicky> bruenig:  yes thanks :D
[06:04] <Red-Sox[away] > carutsu: I'm strictly an iPod fan
[06:04] <VMT2007> yeah DRM crap
[06:04] <carkeys> how do i enable teh root account?
[06:04] <TheLance> stupid DRM
[06:04] <tyme-> login to root
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> !root | carkeys
[06:04] <VMT2007> carkeys: no need, use sudo
[06:04] <ubotu> carkeys: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:04] <TheLance> you log in
[06:04] <Red-Sox[away] > DRM is understandable
[06:04] <carutsu> Red-Sox[away]  well is very much like linux or firefox fan
[06:04] <h3xis> carkeys, run sudo makepasswd and create a password. then you can run su from then on
[06:04] <bruenig> Red-Sox[away] , you know there is something called bittorrent, it has a pretty good music collection last time I checked
[06:04] <tyme-> Anyone know where the Dbus service is located?
[06:05] <carkeys> TheLance: no, i mean for terminal use (not sudo, i need su)
[06:05] <VMT2007> Red-Sox[away] : I'm sorry but you may not be able to even run iTunes with Wine
[06:05] <carutsu> bruening or Ares or aMule or...
[06:05] <VMT2007> Apple does not have a Linux version anymore
[06:05] <bruenig> those are spare
[06:05] <Red-Sox[away] > bruenig: Dad's a lawyer...:P
[06:05] <bruenig> Red-Sox[away] , and...
[06:05] <TheLance> has anyone been having issues with their ubuntu box getting stuck ath te boot screen for a longer period of time then usual?
[06:05] <Red-Sox[away] > bruenig: and he'd get mad, I'd get in trouble?
[06:05] <Red-Sox[away] > kekeke
[06:05] <po0f> Red-Sox[away] : My mom's a doctor but I get hurt all the time.  ;)
[06:05] <TheLance> it takes way longer for my machine ot boot up now
[06:05] <bruenig> Red-Sox[away] , how would he know
[06:05] <VMT2007> Red-Sox[away] : hide it from him? :)
[06:05] <TheLance> i don't know how to fix it
[06:05] <TheLance> this is something that should happen in windows
[06:05] <TheLance> not linux
[06:06] <Red-Sox[away] > Guys
[06:06] <VMT2007> keep it in your user folder, make a different account for him
[06:06] <Red-Sox[away] > No
[06:06] <bruenig> put it in a . directory, he won't even see those
[06:06] <carutsu> Red-Sox[away]  well you are in a problem now
[06:06] <Red-Sox[away] > I wanna get iTunes running in linux, not use BitTorrent
[06:06] <VMT2007> the RIAA hasn't caught any of us yet
[06:06] <kitche> but anyways Itunes works in wine
[06:06] <VMT2007> http://appdb.winehq.org/
[06:06] <Red-Sox[away] > kitche: No it doesn't
[06:06] <VMT2007> search iTunes
[06:06] <ChesMan> Question: When i install a program, trough synaptic or wherever, i can run when i type the name throguh the command line, but how can i set that program up with an icon so i dont have to type it everytime?
[06:06] <Red-Sox[away] > I've tried
[06:06] <tyme-> TheLance:  defragment? have too many services starting at boot possibly?
[06:06] <VMT2007> Well man most of us are free-software fanatics who couldn't see ourselves installing iTunes.
[06:06] <bruenig> ChesMan, there should be a menu entry for all graphical programs
[06:06] <h3xis> ChesMan, on panel, desktop, or what?
[06:06] <TheLance> how do you defrag? and how do i stop services?
[06:07] <coolhat> is this the right place to get some ubuntu support?
[06:07] <tyme-> ChesMan:  create an entry on panel or desktop
[06:07] <TheLance> i don't know
[06:07] <ChesMan> thanks Guys :)
[06:07] <h3xis> TheLance, you dont defrag on ext3/reiserfs
[06:07] <TheLance> just lately its been way slower then usual
[06:07] <VMT2007> h3xis: or even ext2 for that matter
[06:07] <VMT2007> or ufs
[06:07] <ChesMan> and im useing rythembox for the first time now,a nd well, i love it better then Itunes, none of that panel with the istore on it you cannot get rid of
[06:07] <TheLance> it started yesterday
[06:07] <TheLance> i didn't even install or touch the box for like a week
[06:07] <h3xis> VMT2007, i know, but he is more than likely using either of those
[06:07] <hope13> !GTK2.8
[06:07] <TheLance> all of a sudden it takes forever to boot
[06:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about GTK2.8 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:07] <VMT2007> very very likely ext3 though
[06:07] <carutsu> Red-Sox[away]  well it should woek http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=1347
[06:07] <klees> how do i uninstall gtk2 themes i installed?
[06:07] <hope13> !GTK
[06:07] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of Gnome and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[06:07] <carutsu> *worn
[06:08] <carutsu> lol *work
[06:08] <tyme-> !ext3
[06:08] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[06:08] <VMT2007> You could just boot to Windows whenever you feel like shelling $1 for every song
[06:08] <po0f> klees: rm -rf ~/.themes/<theme name>
[06:08] <hope13> is GTK 2.8 installed by default in ubuntu?
[06:08] <maheanuu_> bruenig, does bittorrent have catagories like hawaiian music, polynesian music,  music from oceania??
[06:08] <kitche> Red-Sox[away] : odd how Itunes 6 runs
[06:09] <kitche> Red-Sox[away] : but 7 itunes doesn't
[06:09] <Sensae> Hi
[06:09] <tyme-> maheanuu: bittorrent has EVERYTHING
[06:09] <po0f> hope13: Dapper or Edgy?
[06:09] <jewbilee> Would someone mind helping me configure my wireless card?
[06:09] <hope13> Edgy
[06:09] <po0f> hope13: 2.10.somthing then.
[06:09] <tyme-> jewbilee:  configure it how?
[06:09] <VMT2007> jewbilee: brand?
[06:09] <NickGarvey> jewbilee, have you read the docs?
[06:09] <klees> po0f: thanks that worked
[06:09] <hope13> >,>
[06:09] <hope13> 2.8 is newer?
[06:09] <hope13> lol
[06:09] <jewbilee> Nick: probably not
[06:10] <coolhat> Can anyone tell me what edgy raid support is like? Can i for example, boot off the cd, create some MD devices with mdadm and then install onto them??
[06:10] <po0f> hope13: No it's not.
[06:10] <VMT2007> jewbilee: broadcom?\
[06:10] <hope13> so 2.10 is newer?
[06:10] <doviende> VMT2007: don't swear
[06:10] <doviende> hehe
[06:10] <hope13> sweet
[06:10] <po0f> hope13: Yes.
[06:10] <hope13> thx again pro0f
[06:10] <jewbilee> VMT: yea, Dell TruMobile 1400? i think it is
[06:10] <hope13> po0f
[06:10] <VMT2007> doviende: I didn't swear
[06:10] <tyme-> ipw2200?
[06:10] <tyme-> bg
[06:10] <tyme-> is fully supported
[06:10] <doviende> VMT2007: you said Br*****m ;)
[06:10] <VMT2007> oh lol
[06:10] <jarrod10> hi. can ubuntu merge HFS+ volumes?
[06:11] <kitche> broadcom is sorta stable might drop the connection during some points
[06:11] <jewbilee> thats fine
[06:11] <VMT2007> rofl, broadcom isn't worth crap
[06:11] <jewbilee> but I try to activate the connection
[06:11] <jewbilee> and its doesnt
[06:11] <jarrod10> anyone know if HFS+ is writable by ubuntu?
[06:11] <doviende> lots of people get broadcom cards working, but it takes extra effort and fussing around
[06:12] <jewbilee> and as far as broadcom is concerned, ive run it on windows with no problem, is it different on linux?
[06:12] <doviende> jarrod10: if it's writeable by any linux, it's writeable by ubuntu
[06:12] <kitche> doviende: umm I just grab the broadcom firmware and it works
[06:12] <VMT2007> rofl, you need to use ndiswrapper
[06:12] <VMT2007> kitche: not in my case, I have a CRAP broadcom card
[06:12] <jewbilee> god i hate that
[06:12] <jarrod10> !hfs+
[06:12] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[06:12] <jewbilee> i think i triad that once..
[06:12] <robtp> !fuse
[06:12] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[06:12] <kitche> VMT2007: actually you don't but depending on the version of the chip you have you might
[06:12] <doviende> kitche: ya, some people are lucky.  depends on the model
[06:12] <kitche> VMT2007: I know the newer broadcom's don't work as easy
[06:12] <VMT2007> cheap POS laptops like mine come with broadcom adapters
[06:13] <coolhat> so no one knows anything about raid on ubuntu?
[06:13] <kitche> doviende: yeah I have a motorola wirless card
[06:13] <jewbilee> my dell had a broadcom wireless card built in
[06:13] <Asc> Will GRUB let me boot from an CD in a USB drive?
[06:13] <coolhat> or ubuntu on raid rather
[06:13] <kitche> coolhat: I don't use raid that much or I would help
[06:13] <seanj> !samba
[06:13] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:13] <doviende> Asc: depends on if your bios supports it i think
[06:13] <kitche> Asc should
[06:13] <LameBMX> asc the real question is will your motherboard support booting from usb cd
[06:13] <peanutb> VMT2007, i would suggest getting a pcmcia wifi card based on the atheros chipset.
[06:13] <VMT2007> peanutb: extra battery drain
[06:13] <Asc> doviende, it doesn't
[06:14] <kitche> doviende: huh when you use grub you don't have to worry about the bios
[06:14] <VMT2007> then I also have to worry about my VIA display adapter
[06:14] <doviende> kitche: if your bios can't boot USB things, then it doesn't matter what you do to grub
[06:14] <Asc> The modular bay hdd is broken, and I need to reinstall :p
[06:14] <coolhat> guess not then, thx anyway
[06:14] <Asc> or modular bay cd
[06:14] <VMT2007> I just put windows back on the thing, linux on it isn't worth the effort
[06:14] <kitche> doviende: my computer doesn't support usb booting but with grub it does :P
[06:14] <Asc> my cd drive is hdd for some reason....
[06:15] <NickGarvey> Asc, that is fine
[06:15] <NickGarvey> Asc, mine is hdc
[06:15] <doviende> kitche: maybe if the kernel is on the HD and you use the USB as the root
[06:15] <VMT2007> FreeBSD 6.2 will have improved ndis conversion so I'm waiting for that
[06:15] <doviende> kitche: grub doesn't have usb drivers ;)
[06:15] <LameBMX> asc and kitche when in grub you are no booting so to speak .. well its the very last step of the boot process ... asc ...
[06:15] <coolhat> BTW on another note: when i boot from the edgy cd after going 'install or boot//' it goes to some screen with a grey logo and a messed up loading screen, then sits around for a while, then starts spiting out erros about /hda
[06:15] <LameBMX> asc you need to clarify what you are asking
[06:15] <doviende> so it either uses BIOS support or it gets the linux kernel from another device first and then just mounts a filesystem from the usb after it has a kernel
[06:15] <coolhat> whats with that, all my disks report no erros according to sea gate disk tools
[06:16] <jewbilee> oh yea, does KDE take a lot out a of a laptop battery? or was that just Mandriva in general
[06:16] <kitche> LameBMX: I know :P that's why I use grub to use my slax usb drive
[06:16] <jewbilee> or linux in general
[06:16] <Asc> LameBMX: I want to boot from a USB cd drive.  My BIOS does not support booting from a usb drive.
[06:16] <VMT2007> jewbilee: running CLI will give you very minimal battery drain :P
[06:16] <NickGarvey> jewbilee, depends on what you do...
[06:16] <jarrod10> hi guys, let me describe my problem, i have a macbook and the main partition is an hfs+ volume upon which osx is installed. i want to merge freespace and my previous linux partitions back to the hfs+ volume. how could i manage this with an edgy livecd?
[06:16] <LameBMX> booting from a cd drive meaning the bootstrap program is on the cd?
[06:16] <jewbilee> VMT: what is CLI?
[06:16] <seanj> is there some way to make my Ubuntu machine accesible to Windows hosts via Swat?
[06:16] <coolhat> command line interface
[06:17] <VMT2007> jewbilee: regular command line interface
[06:17] <somerville32> !cli | jewbilee
[06:17] <peanutb> jewbilee, i find it gives me better battery life.
[06:17] <ubotu> jewbilee: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[06:17] <coolhat> is cli
[06:17] <VMT2007> no not terminal
[06:17] <NickGarvey> jarrod10, delete the free linux partition and and resize the hfs+ to take up the extra space
[06:17] <LameBMX> asc okay .. if bios dont support it and u want to use grub on a cd then it will not boot
[06:17] <jewbilee> lol
[06:17] <NickGarvey> jarrod10, although I don't know why you would ever want to do that
[06:17] <jewbilee> i got it
[06:17] <jarrod10> this can be done with the livecd NickGarvey?
[06:17] <coolhat> and lameBMX, where u talking to me?
[06:17] <VMT2007> ctrl+alt+f1 -- that's your CLI -- don't do that unless you know how to go back to the GUI
[06:17] <LameBMX> no asc
[06:17] <somerville32> BMT2007: A terminal is a CLI as well
[06:17] <LameBMX> coolhat, ^
[06:17] <seanj> so far when I log into Swat with my username and pass I can only view options, not edit them
[06:17] <jewbilee> VMT: i dont so i wont
[06:17] <Asc> lamebmx: GRUB is on /dev/hda1; I want to use it to boot from the CD.
[06:17] <NickGarvey> jarrod10, yeah, gparted is on it I think
[06:17] <somerville32> *VMT2007
[06:17] <somerville32> VMT2007: Thats a tty
[06:18] <VMT2007> somerville32: I was referring to the TTY though
[06:18] <LameBMX> nope
[06:18] <coolhat> ok sry
[06:18] <Ashton_K1> Curses, Ubuntu froze...
[06:18] <Asc> Hmm.
[06:18] <LameBMX> asc i dont think that will work either .. usb devices get taken care of by the kernal .. there right after you hit enter in grub
[06:18] <seanj> this reminds me of trying to configure CUPS with the web interface; Broken a la Ubuntu :(
[06:18] <Asc> Will netboot let me do a server install?  Because doing that over 56K is going to suck.
[06:18] <Ashton_K> My router is going down the can too.
[06:18] <LameBMX> asc though i could be wrong ...
[06:18] <kalifonria909> hello everyone
[06:18] <seanj> maybe i should have used an easier distro
[06:19] <VMT2007> seanj: like?
[06:19] <LameBMX> and you could play some tricks with devices MAYBE
[06:19] <seanj> like MDK or something
[06:19] <LameBMX> seanj, i dont think you get much easier lol
[06:19] <peanutb> seanj, it seems to be a debian thing to strip all web interfaces of their usefullness.
[06:19] <seanj> it seems that way, peanutb
[06:19] <VMT2007> sure if you like the horridness of RPM packaging
[06:19] <kalifonria909> can anyone help me with a duel booting issue
[06:19] <Ashton_K> Or worse, rpath.
[06:19] <Ashton_K> :P
[06:19] <Asc> I guess I'll try and fiddle with it a bit.
[06:19] <seanj> All I want is to let Windows hosts access stuff via Samba
[06:19] <Ashton_K> Oh, networking.
[06:19] <seanj> I don't need anything else that might lead to RPM-hell
[06:20] <coolhat> so does edgy even have mdadm?
[06:20] <Ashton_K> There is never an "easy" when talking about mixing Linux and Windows on a network.
[06:20] <VMT2007> system > administration > shared folders
[06:20] <kalifonria909> does anyone duel boot over a raid array
[06:20] <seanj> it was easy with Mandriva...
[06:20] <seanj> so I guess I'll stop wasting our time and install it
[06:20] <seanj> cheers
[06:20] <Ashton_K> Usually the issues are on the Windows side, but whatever.
[06:20] <VMT2007> idiot
[06:20] <kitche> Asc: there is many how-tos on the net to make computers boot to usb that can't in the bios
[06:21] <Ashton_K> Since Windows hates Samba, but whatever.
[06:21] <LameBMX> Ashton_K, so far i havent had much issues ... though i would advise putty available on the windows boxes till you get everything workin good
[06:21] <jewbilee> alright guys, im out for tonight, Ill be back if I have anymore problems..
[06:21] <kitche> Asc: I know slax have a cd that does it if you install slax to usb and your computer can't boot to usb
[06:21] <VMT2007> he sacrifices security, not our problem
[06:21] <Asc> kitche: Okay, I'll look into those
[06:21] <Ashton_K> Well, networking isn't my bag.
[06:21] <Ashton_K> So, *shrug*
[06:21] <LameBMX> but im limited to gameservers and sharing files
[06:21] <maheanuu_> seanj, nothing good comes easy, we had an old saying in the nav, the amount of knowledge gained is equal to the months of 24 hour repairs  times the cube of the numbers of equipment destroyed
[06:21] <Ashton_K> Although my router is dying.
[06:21] <Asc> kitche: Well, i can't use a CD to boot.
[06:21] <VMT2007> Maheanuu: he left to install mandriva
[06:21] <coolhat> sooooo anyone know if edgy has mdadm?
[06:21] <Ashton_K> maheanuu, seanj left.
[06:21] <Ashton_K> :P
[06:21] <Ashton_K> !mdadm
[06:21] <LameBMX> Maheanuu, do os's count as equipment
[06:21] <ubotu> mdadm: tool to administer Linux MD device arrays (software RAID). In component main, is optional. Version 2.4.1-6ubuntu5.2 (edgy), package size 149 kB, installed size 456 kB
[06:22] <coolhat> u will need to be root
[06:22] <coolhat> to run mdadm
[06:22] <Ashton_K> While I'm at it.
[06:22] <Ashton_K> !RAID
[06:22] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:22] <kitche> Asc: true but slax might have something that might work for you
[06:22] <Ashton_K> That was easy.
[06:22] <maheanuu_> only if they can destroy the physical devices I guess,
[06:22] <Sensae> pastebin.com/849385 Can someone tell me what might be wrong with my crontab? It complains about a bad minute, and when it was working before it wasn't doing what it should.
[06:22] <coolhat> so if anyone here is on edgy atm, can u just type sudu mdadm and see if the command exists??
[06:23] <Ashton_K> Anyone have an ADI AD1888 soundcard on their motherboard? It worked with Edgy, until I updated.....
[06:23] <Sensae> Hm, actually now it's installing. But instead of logging my user out and locking his account it restarts the system.
[06:23] <LameBMX> kinda tough to destroy a physical device in a computer ....
[06:23] <doviende> LameBMX: get a hammer?
[06:23] <Ashton_K> coolhat, "apt-get install madadm"
[06:23] <LameBMX> all ive ever managed to do is make a 2.4a have a lot of hiccups
[06:23] <Ashton_K> Try that.
[06:23] <po0f> LameBMX: Thermite; also, sledgehammer.
[06:24] <maheanuu_> Being a retired chief et and a old retired Sperry Univac Ceta (tech rep) I defanitly spent my 24/48/72 hr daze wurkin on electronics and puter systems back in the main frame daze
[06:24] <doviende> coolhat: sudo aptitude install mdadm
[06:24] <LameBMX> no way am i gonna sledge hammer my computer
[06:24] <peanutb> seanj, this might be of interest http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#Samba_Server
[06:24] <Ashton_K> Why, oh why, doesn't HTTP like me today?
[06:24] <Ashton_K> peanutb, he left
[06:24] <Ashton_K> :P
[06:24] <coolhat> i cant install mdadm
[06:24] <coolhat> if i havent installed ubuntu yet
[06:24] <Ashton_K> sudo apt-get install madadm
[06:24] <coolhat> i need to use mdadm BEFORE i install
[06:24] <Ashton_K> Hold on.
[06:24] <Sensae> Anyone know much about crontabs? pastebin.com/849385
[06:24] <Ashton_K> Ohhh.
[06:24] <Ashton_K> Might be able to install it on the live CD.
[06:24] <LameBMX> i about wet myself the day i got my 9800xt ... and put it in ... and the waterblock peed all over it :/
[06:24] <coolhat> to set up the raid devices to install on to
[06:24] <tyme-> !halp .... -> checking for DBUS... no ; anyone have any idea why it's not finding DBUS? I have all the packages installed.. libdbus, dbus etcetc
[06:25] <LameBMX> but i was patient and let it dry for a couple days and it was fine
[06:25] <Ashton_K> Argh!
[06:25] <LameBMX> coolhat, what are you trying to do
[06:25] <peanutb> Sensae, what about them?
[06:25] <LameBMX> fakeraid install?
[06:25] <kitche> LameBMX: yeah that's how keyboards are cleaned you have to let them dry or else boom no more keyboard
[06:25] <coolhat> i am trying to use mdadm to build some raid devices to install on to
[06:25] <jarrod10> hey
[06:25] <Sensae> peanutb: Can you take a look at this crontab? pastebin.com/849385 It's restarting the machine.
[06:25] <jarrod10> im on the ubuntu live cd but it wont resize the hfs+ partition
[06:26] <LameBMX> coolhat, fakeraid or nix raid
[06:26] <tyme-> !halp tyme
[06:26] <jarrod10> can someone help me figure out why?
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about halp tyme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:26] <coolhat> i did it ok with fc6, but for some reason my FS performance is super bad, and i think it may be an FC issue
[06:26] <coolhat> so i want to try ubuntu
[06:26] <po0f> jarrod10: Have you tried th GParted live CD?
[06:26] <coolhat> nix raid
[06:26] <coolhat> as in mdadm
[06:26] <coolhat> not mobo fake-raid
[06:26] <LameBMX> ahhh nvm then ..
[06:26] <jarrod10> its the same thing isnt it po0f?
[06:26] <LameBMX> yea well they are both kinda software .. i just got a fakeraid install up and working lol
[06:27] <LameBMX> and neither wiki guide helped individually lol
[06:27] <coolhat> well i dont have any fakeraid anyway
[06:27] <coolhat> gigabyte ds3 here
[06:27] <coolhat> and i would much rather use mdadm
[06:27] <coolhat> it's more pwoerfull
[06:27] <LameBMX> abit ic7-max3
[06:27] <po0f> jarrod10: The GParted one is more up-to-date, and is probably a better choice when having other OSs to consider.
[06:27] <coolhat> u cant even do raid5 with most fakeraid controllers
[06:27] <LameBMX> dual boot and hance the fake raid
[06:28] <kalifonria909> i have a raid array im trying to duel boot off of
[06:28] <LameBMX> ah .. raid0 baby .. and a couple 250's to store extra junk on
[06:28] <coolhat> well i dont use windows on any of these disks
[06:28] <LameBMX> yea thats what sticks me
[06:28] <coolhat> raid 0 is terrible
[06:28] <Sensae> Can anyone give me a hand with this crontab? http://www.pastebin.com/849385
[06:28] <kalifonria909> ubuntu see's the two disks but not as a raid array how do i fix that
[06:28] <tyme-> !halp .... -> checking for DBUS... no ; anyone have any idea why it's not finding DBUS? I have all the packages installed.. libdbus, dbus etcetc
[06:28] <coolhat> is one disks fails you loose everything
[06:28] <Ashton_K> !RAID
[06:28] <coolhat> *if
[06:28] <jarrod10> ah, i looked it up, parted can only shrink hfs+
[06:28] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:28] <jarrod10> i need an alternative
[06:28] <kalifonria909> !raid
[06:28] <po0f> tyme-: What are you trying to do?  Compile something?
[06:28] <LameBMX> raid0 is a 120 and 160 ... and i split them one for nix one for windows .. but i cant bear windows in non raid
[06:29] <tyme-> po0f, yes.
[06:29] <po0f> tyme-: Try libdbus-dev.
[06:29] <Ashton_K> No wonder, my dad left Azureus seeding, my ACK signals couldn't get out.
[06:29] <LameBMX> and nix was a lot slower on its own drive too
[06:29] <phiwum> Howdy.  Is there any special magic to getting crontabs to work on ubuntu?
[06:29] <kalifonria909> has anyone played with an a7n8x board and duel booting
[06:29] <tyme-> po0f:  have it
[06:29] <phiwum> I just created a crontab, but cron seems to be ignoring it.
[06:29] <LameBMX> kalifonria909, maker ...
[06:29] <kalifonria909> ??
[06:29] <Sensae> I've got a crontab working, but it isn't doing what I want.
[06:30] <seanj> It turns out all I had to do was break the rules and create a root password
[06:30] <maheanuu_> see you all in the morning, lots of runnin to complete
[06:30] <phiwum> Sensae: In what sense?
[06:30] <LameBMX> a7n8 .. that amd 64bit mobo right ... nvidia nforce 8 chipset correct
[06:30] <coolhat> that raid config is NOT for using mdadm
[06:30] <coolhat> thats for fakeraid
[06:30] <tyme-> po0f:  i have everything that's libdbus*
[06:30] <coolhat> which i am NOT doing
[06:30] <LameBMX> maybe not 64bit
[06:30] <kalifonria909> a7n8 is 32 bit with nforce 4
[06:30] <kalifonria909> amd board
[06:30] <LameBMX> yea fakeraid was a bitch
[06:30] <phiwum> I could use cron.hourly, but I want things to run when I want them to run.
[06:30] <Sensae> phiwum: You can see it here http://www.pastebin.com/849385 I did a sudo crontab -e to create it. The crontab executes, but it restarts the computer instead of locking the perosn out
[06:30] <LameBMX> yea .. who makes the motherboard
[06:31] <kalifonria909> asus
[06:31] <Ashton_K> Wow, that raid article is old....
[06:31] <DeCaelo> anyone seen Burgundavia around recently?
[06:31] <po0f> tyme-: Just to make sure: sudo aptitude install libdbus0-dev
[06:31] <LameBMX> and what are you attempting to do kalifonria909 softraid .. coolhat could prolly help you .. fakeraid i can prolly help you
[06:31] <kalifonria909> to boot to the raid array i have to tell the bios to boot to scsi
[06:31] <phiwum> Sensae: Thanks, I'll have a look.  One difference: I want a cron as a user, not as root.
[06:31] <po0f> tyme-: Note, the above is for Edgy.
[06:31] <LameBMX> so you gots a scsi controller ... thats not me
[06:31] <LameBMX> i can only help with what ive learned so far
[06:32] <peanutb> Sensae, is that user currently logged in?
[06:32] <Ashton_K> Anyone here have an ASUS board with an ADI AD1888 sound card? If so, does yours work?
[06:32] <LameBMX> what kinda scsi controller
[06:32] <kalifonria909> its a raid chipset
[06:32] <Sensae> peanutb: Yes, the point is to log him out at midnight and lock his account, and then reactivate it in the morning
[06:32] <phiwum> Sensae: Well, not sure why cron is killing your computer, but the syntax is just as I expected it.  No differences there.
[06:32] <kalifonria909> but in bios it has to be set to scsi
[06:32] <LameBMX> so fakeraid then
[06:32] <Sensae> peanutb: Erm at 1 am
[06:32] <LameBMX> or no
[06:32] <tyme-> po0f:  i have everything installed correctly
[06:32] <kalifonria909> well windows is on the raid array
[06:33] <idleone> !aoss
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aoss - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:33] <kalifonria909> and ubuntu is on a seperate hdd
[06:33] <po0f> tyme-: Can you pastebin the ./configure output?
[06:33] <Sensae> :/
[06:33] <phiwum> idleone: aoss is an alsa utility for older apps.
[06:33] <LameBMX> k .. did you install a board into motherboard and attach scsi harddrives to it
[06:33] <Sensae> As a note, this crontab worked absolutely fine on Ubuntu. I moved to Kubuntu 6.06 and it no longer works
[06:33] <kalifonria909> they are serial ata hard drives in a raid controller chip
[06:33] <tyme-> po0f:  it's GAIM
[06:33] <LameBMX> ahhh
[06:34] <tyme-> po0f:  lots to paste, but it checks for DBUS and cant find it.
[06:34] <simon_> sysinfo
[06:34] <po0f> tyme-: I don't use GAIM, you're going ot have to help me help you.
[06:34] <simon_> arg
[06:34] <LameBMX> kalifonria909, check pm
[06:34] <po0f> tyme-: Just the part where it fails, and ~20 lines above it.
[06:34] <schmity> heya
[06:34] <schmity> im a mac user but wish to buy a cheap peecee and install ubuntu on it
[06:34] <LameBMX> kalifonria909, reg so you can get pm's
[06:34] <LameBMX> if need be
[06:35] <schmity> whats the cheapest laptop i can find for under about 600$ thats good?
[06:35] <schmity> refurbished is fine
[06:35] <Rothbuntu> Computer: simon-laptop | Distro: Ubuntu 6.10 "edgy" | Processor: 2x @ 1.00Ghz | Model: Intel CPU T2300 @ 1.66GHz | Memory: 1009MB Free: 874MB []  | Diskspace: 89.50GB Free: 67.20GB | Video: ATI Radeon Mobility X1400 @ 1280x800 (24 bpp) | Net: Down: 0.62MB Up: 0.17MB | Battery: 94%
[06:35] <Rothbuntu> yeee
[06:35] <peanutb> Sensae, you porbably have to logout that user somehow.
[06:35] <tyme-> po0f:  pm.
[06:35] <h3xis> schmity, check the usual pc manufacturing sites
[06:35] <kalifonria909> im register bmx
[06:35] <peanutb> !good
[06:35] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:35] <peanutb> sorry define good
[06:35] <Sensae> peanutb: How would that affect it? Why wouldn't a killall -u polaris be sufficient?
[06:36] <kalifonria909> how do you pm again
[06:36] <kalifonria909> i forgot a lot of my mirc commands
[06:36] <Sensae> kalifonria909: /query or /msg
[06:36] <kalifonria909> ty sensae
[06:37] <peanutb> Sensae: i dont really know, but i think this is the problem.
[06:37] <coolhat> hmm i give up, gonna try gentoo
[06:37] <peanutb> Sensae, have you tried running the commands when polaris is logged in from the terminal?
[06:37] <Sensae> peanutb: Lemme do some testing
[06:37] <Youbuntu> can anyone help me on configuring nvidia's gcard driver? i have gotten a strange problem: have to reinstall the driver(downloaded from nv's website) at anytime after the system is rebooted, or i couldn't enter X.
[06:38] <Sensae> peanutb: How so?
[06:38] <kyncani> !nvidia | Youbuntu
[06:38] <ubotu> Youbuntu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:38] <peanutb> Sensae, like sudo killall -u polaris
[06:38] <samuel> sup all
[06:39] <Sensae> peanutb: Opening a console and doing that? Lemme log out my main user from VNC and test that
[06:39] <fildo> !fonts
[06:39] <phiwum> Sensae: So you didn't have to do anything special to create that crontab?  Just crontab -e, right?
[06:39] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[06:39] <Sensae> phiwum: Yes
[06:39] <samuel> where can i get an smp kernel for 6.10 x386? or why is my computer not showing both CPUs, just one?
[06:39] <phiwum> Sensae: Because I just can't seem to get cron to notice my crontabs!
[06:39] <Youbuntu> thx, ubotu
[06:39] <h3xis> samiam, it should be showing both :/
[06:39] <h3xis> er samuel
[06:40] <kyncani> !botsnack
[06:40] <ubotu> Yum!
[06:40] <samuel> hmmm....
[06:40] <Sensae> phiwum: I've never tried to create a user one, only root
[06:40] <h3xis> samuel, what kind of cpu
[06:40] <samuel> h3xis, any tests I can do to check?
[06:40] <h3xis> samuel, not that i know of
[06:40] <samuel> AMD opteron
[06:40] <h3xis> hm
[06:40] <samuel> 2*
[06:40] <samuel> 1 core each
[06:40] <uval> hello
[06:40] <h3xis> i think an smp patch may be out
[06:40] <phiwum> Sensae: I tried to create a root one, too.  No difference.
[06:40] <h3xis> you can check
[06:40] <phiwum> Sensae: Cron just doesn't care about me.
[06:41] <phiwum> Sensae: Not even when I'm pretending to be root.
[06:41] <h3xis> samuel, if not just build a custom kernel :P
[06:41] <phiwum> Sensae: (sniff)
[06:41] <Blodhevn> How do I know what 'file' a USB device is?   I killed and restarted the cron daemon and the little bugger finally noticed my jobs.
[06:43] <pinchmesh> what's the best way to get the areca driver in the install program?? for kubantu??
[06:43] <kalifonria909> is there a way to upgrade from 6.06 to 6.10 without having to burn the image. my burner is fubar
[06:44] <Sensae> lol
[06:44] <doviende> samuel: "uname -r" says 2.6.17-10-generic ?
[06:44] <SurfnKid> will linux or ubuntu ever have proprietary software
[06:44] <pinchmesh> the 2.6.19 kernel is supposed to have it
[06:44] <doviende> SurfnKid: it does already
[06:44] <SurfnKid> sort of what microsoft has been doing
[06:44] <samuel> doviende, is it possible a cpu has failed? 2.6.17-10-386
[06:44] <SurfnKid> doviende, no but
[06:44] <doviende> SurfnKid: like the nonfree flashplugin
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> SurfnKid: It does already.  Wireless card firmware, for instance.
[06:44] <samuel> oh
[06:44] <idleone> SurfnKid: I sure hope not like Microsoft has been doing
[06:44] <SurfnKid> CPRM, DRM type
[06:44] <doviende> samuel: aha, you have a different kernel
[06:45] <SurfnKid> where they control every move
[06:45] <peanutb> SurfnKid, Microsoft is makeing office for linux sometime in the near future
[06:45] <SurfnKid> that would be a disaster
[06:45] <phiwum> Sensae: Very strange.  It doesn't notice changes unless I restart it.
[06:45] <doviende> samuel: if you install the -generic kernel, it has SMP support
[06:45] <kyncani> !upgrade | kalifonria909
[06:45] <ubotu> kalifonria909: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[06:45] <regeya> after struggling to move my root partition contents to an lvm2 volume, I think I have some stuff to reportas bugs when I'm more awake/aware, but debian and ubuntu have rockin' tools to make things go so much smoother, how awesome.
[06:45] <peanutb> SurfnKid, glad someone agrees with me
[06:45] <phiwum> Sensae: Or perhaps at some  other times?
[06:45] <SurfnKid> peanutb, yeah
[06:45] <tyme-> Can anyone suggest an APP like Windows Media Connect? -- Allows me to stream music from my computer to xbox360 / media center
[06:45] <kitche> SurfnKid: well considering that Linus doesn't want to make an OS probably not
[06:45] <earthen> kalifonria909, you can just change all your repo's in your sources.list file to edgy one's and hope fot the best
[06:45] <samuel> doviende, i was wondering why it was slow... thanks :=)
[06:45] <phiwum> Sensae: Not what I've come to expect from Slackware's cron daemon.
[06:45] <cactaur> kalifronria909: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_upgrade_from_Hoary_Hedgehog_-.3E_Breezy_Badger_-.3E_Dapper_Drake <--that'll help you
[06:46] <Asc> Anybody tried to use a floppy to do a PXE network boot?
[06:46] <kalifonria909> thank you everyone
[06:46] <SurfnKid> Ill quit using computers if the money followers tweak linux so they can control what ppl see watch or do online
[06:46] <peanutb> ok, i know this is sort of a stupid question, but how do i tell what processor is in the current computer?
[06:47] <tonyyarusso> peanutb: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[06:47] <kitche> SurfnKid: well distros can do what they want but Linus already said he's more open to the users
[06:47] <mhiku> what package is libnut
[06:47] <pinchmesh> peanutb, type "dmesg |less"
[06:48] <SurfnKid> kitche, so even with another distro, someone could easily make one (or even myself) without junk or so
[06:48] <doviende> pinchmesh: heh, that's the long way
[06:48] <pinchmesh> ?
[06:48] <kitche> SurfnKid: making a distro isn't really hard it's if it gets big then it becomes harder
[06:48] <mhiku> what package is libnut? its a prereq that i cant find
[06:49] <kitche> SurfnKid: it's more time consuming more then anything
[06:49] <SurfnKid> i see
[06:49] <atarinox> is there a reason i can't view any streaming video in firefox?
[06:49] <SurfnKid> hope open source software stays free forever
[06:49] <phiwum> Sensae: I guess my problem was transient.  Sorry, I've never tried to log someone out via cron jobs, so I'm not sure I can help you.
[06:49] <SurfnKid> but knowing the capitalistic roaches, theyre gonna twist laws
[06:49] <SurfnKid> which sucks
[06:49] <phiwum> Sensae: But have you tried your approach "by hand"?
[06:49] <h3xis> no theyre not
[06:50] <Sensae> Sok
[06:50] <h3xis> you cant make open source not free
[06:50] <idleone> !multimedia | atarinox
[06:50] <ubotu> atarinox: For multimedia codecs see: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and for applications see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[06:50] <Sensae> phiwum: Just trying it now, the system's in another room, I can't log him out because he isn't part of sudo, though I can log myself in as only user and try it, brb
[06:50] <kitche> h3xis: well techinally you can look at Apple :)
[06:50] <SurfnKid> thats what I was afraid of
[06:50] <pinchmesh> AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5200+ stepping 02
[06:50] <pinchmesh> that's from dmesg
[06:50] <kyncani> mhiku: which package prereqs libnut ??
[06:50] <h3xis> kitche, touche
[06:50] <jarrod10> just so everyone knows, parted cna only shrink hfs+ not grow it
[06:50] <amicrawler> where do i get bearyl for edgy ?
[06:51] <h3xis> kitche, i meant OS in general :P
[06:51] <idleone> !beryl | amicrawler
[06:51] <ubotu> amicrawler: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[06:51] <enigma32> Anyone out there with the 6.10 ALTERNATE iso on their windows XP machine that can tell me how many bytes it is on their machine?
[06:51] <somerville32> enigma32, Use checksums
[06:51] <enigma32> um, I don't see a checksum listed where I downloaded the file
[06:52] <enigma32> and the disc fails the software test when burned. So I don't know if it's the iso or the burn
[06:52] <somerville32> !verify | enigma32
[06:52] <ubotu> enigma32: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[06:52] <Bhaskar> where can i found ubuntu software package for installation
[06:52] <somerville32> !software | Bhaskar
[06:52] <ubotu> Bhaskar: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[06:52] <enigma32> somerville32: ah. I see them all in one file. Thanks.
[06:53] <somerville32> np
[06:53] <amicrawler> i thought there was  bearyl in .deb files not tar.gz
[06:53] <peanutb> does anyone know why a dual processor computer would appear as only haveing one in bot windows and ubuntu?
[06:54] <veronica> good question
[06:54] <Bhaskar> ubotu: i want to add some additional package in ubuntu but how ?
[06:54] <h3xis> something sounds borked
[06:54] <kitche> !beryl|amicrawler use beryl's official repo
[06:54] <ubotu> amicrawler use beryl's official repo: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[06:54] <kitche> Bhaskar: sudo apt-get install <package>
[06:54] <h3xis> peanutb, in your bios does it say youre taking advantage of both cores?
[06:54] <mneptok> down there they're rounding a posse to ride.
[06:55] <peanutb> h3ris, its not a core issue, its two processors.
[06:55] <h3xis> peanutb, ahhh okay nevermind then XD
[06:55] <kitche> peanutb: you might not be using smp kernel for linux
[06:55] <doviende> peanutb: ok, are there two processors recognized in the boot messages?
[06:55] <pinchmesh> dual core and dual processors both use smp
[06:55] <pinchmesh> dmesg |grep SMP
[06:55] <tyme-> how do i edit my enviorment paths?
[06:56] <jarrod10> does anyone here know how to grow hfs+?
[06:56] <Sensae> peanutb: If there's a single user on and they get killall'd it just drops to the login screen like I want
[06:56] <peanutb> yes, it says it has two p3 processors, at 550 MHZ
[06:56] <kitche> peanutb: and with windows it's been such a long time since I messed with two processors in that since High school
[06:56] <kitche> peanutb: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo tell you to make sure
[06:56] <robtp> __mikem: fyi, that tutorial is a bit incomplete in parts
[06:56] <Raythiest> !java
[06:56] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[06:56] <mneptok> jarrod10: not recommended, if even possible
[06:56] <phiwum> Sensae: Sounds good...
[06:56] <robtp> __mikem: its pretty complete so far, and quality
[06:57] <doviende> peanutb: also, do "uname -a" and look for "SMP" in the middle
[06:57] <Sensae> brb testing again
[06:57] <__mikem> robtp, yes, if you ever need any help, you can ask me
[06:58] <Raythiest> !multiverse
[06:58] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[06:58] <FFForever> how do i cast to a shoutcast server?
[06:59] <peanutb> doviende, nope nothing like that, it says it has a Seimens Multiprocessor Interrupt Controller, does that have anything to do with it?
[06:59] <doviende> peanutb: do "uname -a" and paste it here
[06:59] <peanutb> doviende, in gnome device manager
[06:59] <EvilMike> In an epic struggle to try to get my sound card working, I discovered it's a piece of crap and the integrated sound with my motherboard is probably a lot better. So I re-enabled the onboard sound through the bios. Unfortunately now ubuntu has no sound of all.
[06:59] <peanutb> Linux p3-dual 2.6.15-26-386 #1 PREEMPT Thu Aug 3 02:52:00 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:59] <FFForever> anyone?
[06:59] <h3xis> FFForever, you should probably ask that on the shoutcast forums or channel (if there is one) since this is specifically ubuntu-related
[07:00] <EvilMike> I THINK it's because both the creative and integrated sound kernel modules are loaded
[07:00] <doviende> peanutb: ok, your kernel can't do multiprocessors
[07:00] <EvilMike> But I'm not sure
[07:00] <FFForever> im on ubuntu
[07:00] <FFForever> so wouldnt it he asked in here?
[07:00] <doviende> peanutb: you need to upgrade
[07:00] <peanutb> doviende, how do i ?
[07:00] <doviende> peanutb: are you on dapper?
[07:00] <peanutb> yes
[07:00] <pinchmesh> upeanut, it needs to say "SMP"
[07:00] <kitche> FFForever: you need to get the shoutcast dj tools
[07:00] <doviende> anyone know which dapper kernel has SMP?
[07:00] <h3xis> FFForever, not really. i mean it wont hurt to ask but this chan is more about the distro itself. not specific apps
[07:01] <Tron_> can anyone tell me how to get libc6 2.4 so i can install vmware
[07:01] <FFForever> i thought the dj plugin was for winamp
[07:01] <FFForever> a windows program
[07:01] <doviende> peanutb: you can do "aptitude search linux-image" to find which kernel packages are available
[07:01] <EvilMike> Is there any way I can tell ubuntu not to use my sound card (and have it only load the driver for the motherboard sound)?
[07:01] <kitche> FFForever: that's for winamp shoutcast has a seperate program for djing for windows and linux
[07:01] <Damn> hello
[07:01] <Damn> sombody can tell me if a can put some display pic using gaim msn messenger
[07:01] <doviende> peanutb: and then "sudo aptitude install linux-image-whatev-12345" once you decide on one to install
[07:01] <h3xis> Damn, yes
[07:02] <FFForever> ohhh really?, can you link me?
[07:02] <pinchmesh> EvilMike,  check in the bios
[07:02] <peanutb> doviende, thanks
[07:02] <kitche> FFForever: shoutcast.com go to downloads then be a dj
[07:02] <doviende> peanutb: np
[07:02] <pinchmesh> some allow you to choose there
[07:02] <robtp> __mikem: got one for you: when you print out a memory address (&var) with the %d format char, will that be the base 10 representation of the hex value you get with the %p formatting char?
[07:02] <Tron_> im having a problem installing vmware, it wants libc6 2.4-1 or greater and i only have 2.3 can anyone tell me how to upgrade?
[07:03] <kitche> Tron_: what ubuntu you on?
[07:03] <EvilMike> pinchmesh: unfortunately there wasn't anything in the bios I could find that would let me disable it :/
[07:03] <FFForever> when did they write there own tool?
[07:03] <kyncani> peanutb: you can check http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/allpackages
[07:03] <kitche> FFForever: umm they had that for years
[07:03] <pinchmesh> k
[07:03] <__mikem> robtp, depends on weather you use %d or %x, %x does hexidecimal representation
[07:03] <EvilMike> now granted I COULD just go in and unplug it manually, but I'd have to get out of my chair to do that
[07:03] <kitche> FFForever: before winamp was good
[07:03] <FFForever> they didnt have it when i was a server/dj for my home sound (2years ago) they only had the winamp
[07:03] <Damn> how man?
[07:03] <FFForever> atleast on there site :/
[07:03] <robtp> __mikem: the doc uses %p, is that essentially the same as %x?
[07:03] <Raythiest> !w32codecs
[07:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:04] <kitche> FFForever: the winamp plugin has nothing to do with shoutcast themselves it was a plugin for winamp made by winamp
[07:04] <davey486> How can i tell what ports are open?
[07:04] <kyncani> !w64codecs
[07:04] <h3xis> Damn, in your "accounts" click on your msn one and click Modify. there should be am "open" button referring to a display pic.
[07:04] <__mikem> robtp, never heard of %p, just use %x
[07:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about w64codecs - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:04] <kyncani> :'(
[07:04] <peanutb> ok, im installling linux-image-686
[07:04] <drivera90> Is there Winamp on Ubuntu?
[07:04] <FFForever> wow never knew that :D
[07:04] <FFForever> win(windows)amp
[07:04] <robtp> __mikem: %p and %x look to be the same except in that %p prepends the 0x
[07:05] <davey486> I'm try to get a news reader to work and i can't
[07:05] <FFForever> so uhhhh get wine?
[07:05] <h3xis> drivera90, audacious
[07:05] <peanutb> drivera90, xmms is like it
[07:05] <kitche> drivera90: something close called streamtuner or xmms you choose streamtuner is good
[07:05] <enigma32> drivera90: try xmms
[07:05] <__mikem> robtp, let me throw togeather some code and try it out
[07:05] <drivera90> Bah. I'm alright as is, I just miss whipping the llama's ass.
[07:05] <kitche> drivera90: streamtuner can do shoutcasts and such without you hunting for the link to play the stream
[07:05] <Damn> how can i put it brother
[07:06] <drivera90> I don't really know what *casts are. I got left behind in that media movement.
[07:06] <drivera90> I'm still all about P2P and mp3s.
[07:06] <robtp> __mikem: if you wanna save a few seconds http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/209/
[07:06] <kitche> drivera90: shoutcast is streaming audio or movies it's been around since the 90's or so
[07:06] <kitche> anyways I m going to bed now :)_
[07:06] <pinchmesh> "netstat -p" lists the sockets
[07:07] <__mikem> robtp, I already had the program compiled by the time you posted that link. Yes, for printing pointer values, %p seems to work fine
[07:07] <drivera90> And blogs have been around for 15 years, but they became cool like 5 years ago :)
[07:07] <Sensae> peanutb: Now I can't get the cron job to do anything
[07:08] <Sensae> Bah I give up for now.
[07:08] <peanutb> Sensae, i really am not the person to ask about cron.
[07:08] <pinchmesh> "man cron"
[07:09] <Trixsey> Is the broken "Azureus <IP_ADDRESS>"-package in the repos fixed?
[07:09] <pr0gress0r> greetings - finally back after upgrading to 6.10 - nice and neat.
[07:09] <peanutb> Sensae, you might try a shell script that execuits the commands, and is initiated by cron?
[07:09] <ken> .
[07:10] <pr0gress0r> why is there no 'nvidia' driver listed on the hardware display setting config? It is set at 'nv' now but i needed 'nvidia' to get the 1680x1050
[07:10] <pinchmesh> another great tool is apropos, eg "apropos cron"
[07:10] <Tron_> anyone know how to upgrade libc6 for ubuntu dapper, i need 2.4 for vmware
[07:10] <kyncani> !nvidia | pr0gress0r
[07:10] <ubotu> pr0gress0r: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:10] <pr0gress0r> thanks
[07:10] <CarCase928> i have installed Ubuntu on my laptop, but i need to update the nvidia driver, and i forgot how, how do i do it?
[07:10] <pinchmesh> which ubantu has the 2.6.19 kernel natively??
[07:11] <pinchmesh> need it for an areca controller
[07:11] <h3xis> maddash my heerooo
[07:11] <davey486> i need help getting pan newsreader to work it say "Connection to news, port 119 failed: success any ideas?
[07:11] <tonyyarusso> pinchmesh: Feisty is using 2.6.20 now, but is NOT STABLE OR RELEASED.  (devel branch)
[07:11] <IntuitiveNipple> davey, can you telnet to the same port?
[07:11] <doviende> pinchmesh: edgy has 2.6.17.   2.6.19 came out in november i think.
[07:12] <davey486> i don't know how to do that
[07:12] <pinchmesh> bah, where can i get it?? 2.6.19 that is
[07:12] <doviende> pinchmesh: you could borrow a 2.6.19 package from a feisty repository i suppose, or build your own
[07:12] <kyncani> CarCase928: you don't upgrade just nvidia, you upgrade the entire distro
[07:12] <maddash> h3xis!! my subject!
[07:12] <h3xis> ^^
[07:12] <CarCase928> how do i do it?
[07:12] <kyncani> !upgrade | CarCase928
[07:12] <ubotu> CarCase928: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:12] <IntuitiveNipple> Davey: this might help you test it - http://www.osix.net/modules/article/?id=628
[07:13] <pinchmesh> is there an EASY way to get 2.6.19 on the install cd???
[07:13] <doviende> changing the install CD is probably a real pain
[07:13] <davey486> thanks 4ur help
[07:13] <pinchmesh> yeah. it prolly is
[07:13] <CarCase928> does this mean installing a new version of Ubuntu? i have the latest version, 6.10
[07:13] <Tron_> im having a problem installing vmware, it wants libc6 2.4-1 or greater and i only have 2.3 can anyone tell me how to upgrade?
[07:13] <xtknight> i would love to know how to change the install CD, personally.  it's a real pain to install on my core 2 duo system
[07:13] <kyncani> pinchmesh: well, 1) feisty has 2.6.19
[07:14] <tonyyarusso> pinchmesh: not very easy, no.  Using a non-standard kernel requires a little bit of effort.
[07:14] <kyncani> pinchmesh: or 2) you could use debootstrap
[07:14] <tyme-> !sources
[07:14] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[07:14] <tyme-> !EasySource
[07:14] <CarCase928> !nvidia
[07:14] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:14] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:14] <kyncani> pinchmesh: or do both, i needed 2.6.18 or later, so i installed feisty and debootstrap'ped debian sid from ubuntu feisty
[07:15] <pinchmesh> k, thanks.. i'm dnlding 6.2 now, guess i need to get fiesty
[07:15] <maddash> does anyone here use ubuntu on a laptop? maybe even a thinkpad? I just did a server install of dapper in expert mode - an error in my part, it now seems. for now, I'm trying to get suspend/hibern working. I've installed acpid and acpi, but to no avail. when I installed the "hibernate" package and issued "sudo hibernate", a message told me that my kernel (which i replaced with a 2.6.12-27 686 version) didn't support suspend. told me some
[07:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there a way to probe for hard drives *after* booting, when the boot-probe was skipped using "hde=noprobe hdf=noprobe" ?
[07:15] <Tron_> anyone know how to upgrade libc6 for ubuntu dapper, i need 2.4 for vmware
[07:15] <doviende> maddash: well firstly, you might want something newer than 2.6.12
[07:16] <pinchmesh> i used freebsd for years, and tried suse 10.2 cause of the all the hardware driver issues with freebsd. what's there is great, just not the drivers i need
[07:16] <doviende> maddash: any chance you could just install edgy desktop version?
[07:16] <maddash> good god - not 2.6.12, I meant the 2.6.15-27
[07:16] <doviende> heh
[07:16] <maddash> my current kern is 2.6.15-27 686
[07:16] <xtknight> Tron_: what version of vmware and what version of ubuntu
[07:17] <doviende> i think 2.6.17 has the userspace suspend code in it
[07:17] <pr0gress0r> is it recommended to set the repository for universe? open community software? mine is not selected.
[07:17] <IntuitiveNipple> I installed Edgy Eft on a sony Vaio and the suspend/hibernate worked ok most of the time
[07:17] <doviende> maddash: i'm using edgy on my laptop
[07:17] <kyncani> maddash: i would try a more recent packages : i would try edgy and see
[07:18] <maddash> doviende: is there a list of packages that are installed via the desktop setup option?
[07:18] <kyncani> well, at least everyone agree here :)
[07:19] <doviende> maddash: uhh....probably somewhere, but i dunno
[07:19] <doviende> sorry
[07:19] <newbuntu> is anyone here on KDE that can help with an  xsession problem?
[07:19] <doviende> maddash: but really, you should try to get the 2.6.17-10-generic kernel installed
[07:19] <cyphase> where are the nautilus notes stored?
[07:19] <maddash> doviende: what's wrong with the 686 kernel?
[07:19] <VMT2007> Heh, some idiots offered kernel.org $50,000 for permission to take a snapshot of the kernel sources for subsequent conversion to a BSD license
[07:20] <veronica> hehehe
[07:20] <nevron> is there a channel for programing?
[07:20] <newbuntu> I have 2 or 3 xsessions running in task manager and it takes about 10 minutes for my desktop to show up after boot
[07:20] <doviende> maddash: edgy has a generic kernel, and 2.6.17 has better suspend support
[07:20] <doviende> nevron: you want to learn basic stuff?
[07:20] <lovloss> *passes out cake for a new year of ubuntu*
[07:20] <nevron> yes doviende
[07:20] <HellDragon2> hi
[07:20] <doviende> nevron: IRC channels for programming are usually very specific
[07:21] <newbuntu> I believe ive screwed up my xorg.conf and its back up
[07:21] <maddash> kyncani, doviende: I don't think versioning is the problem. I've used breezy on this very same laptop, and susp/hiber works right out of the box - b/c I installed right out of the box...
[07:21] <doviende> nevron: i suggest finding a "learning python" website or something like that
[07:21] <lovloss> nevron: New to programming? :3
[07:21] <nevron> i am reading a very basic python guide right now
[07:21] <nevron> the name is dive into python
[07:21] <amicrawler> oh shit  i don't want to have to compile bearyl  from src  is there any  bin or .deb that work >?
[07:22] <DarthLappy> !ohmy | amicrawler
[07:22] <ubotu> amicrawler: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Best way to learn coding is to read other peoples code and work out what its doing
[07:22] <po0f> nevron: 'Byte of Python' is even basicerererer.
[07:22] <lovloss> nevron: Best way to learn is to do it. Lots of good programs for that. I suggest eclipse
[07:22] <xtknight> has anyone here made a gnome applet?
[07:22] <hyphenated> newbuntu: in a shell, run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:22] <davey486> doviende: I was able to connect to a news server at port 119
[07:22] <amicrawler> compiling from src does not work all the time
[07:22] <doviende> nevron: there's probably a python channel here, and they could help you with problems...but if you learn the general basic ideas of programming on a webpage or a book then that will help
[07:22] <nevron> ok is there a gui based compiler for python?
[07:22] <DarthLappy> !beryl | amicrawler
[07:22] <ubotu> amicrawler: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:22] <davey486> but a can't get a newsgroup lost from my program
[07:22] <po0f> nevron: You don't compile Python.
[07:22] <doviende> maddash: ok, so this same laptop has worked in the past?
[07:23] <arrenlex> nevron: a) WTF is a GUI compiler? And why? What would you show? b) Python isn't compiled.
[07:23] <DarthLappy> amicrawler: There's a howto on the Wiki somewhere...
[07:23] <nevron> po0f does it work like html
[07:23] <maddash> doviende: yep. w/breezy
[07:23] <Tron_> im having a problem installing vmware, it wants libc6 2.4-1 or greater and i only have 2.3 can anyone tell me how to upgrade?
[07:23] <po0f> nevron: You can think of it like a Bash script.
[07:23] <arrenlex> nevron: Python is interpreted. Like a shell script.
[07:23] <DarthLappy> amicrawler: Mentions repos you'll need as well as pre- and post- setup.
[07:23] <doviende> nevron: if you want a big GUI thing, maybe try "eclipse"
[07:23] <po0f> nevron: But like, times 23,000.
[07:23] <function1> what toolkit does audacity use? is there any way you can get a new theme for it? because audacity, and other applications are absolutely ugly. (edgy)
[07:23] <doviende> nevron: many people like using "emacs" for programming too
[07:23] <arrenlex> Dammit, po0f, stop stealing taking the words out of my mouth! >=||
[07:23] <lovloss> eclipse is good just because it keeps track of everything you do
[07:23] <doviende> nevron: i prefer emacs to all those GUI environments
[07:24] <enigma32> function1: audacity uses wxWidgets... which uses either gtk or x or whatever else
[07:24] <xtknight> function1: it just uses motif i believe
[07:24] <arrenlex> function1: Audacity < 1.3.0? wxwidgets.
[07:24] <SyncopatedFool> i'm having problems getting different keyboard layouts to work in kde, i'm trying to set up korean input, any help?
[07:24] <xtknight> i agree it is ugly, like xmms since they don't use the gtk
[07:24] <po0f> arrenlex: ?
[07:24] <poningru> !restricted formats
[07:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:24] <arrenlex> function1: You can skin it by using a gtk+ skin.
[07:24] <doviende> maddash: ok, i guess we need to find some error messages in the logs then
[07:24] <veronica> syn
[07:24] <Tron_> no one can help me?
[07:24] <xtknight> Tron_: what version of vmware and what version of ubuntu
[07:24] <arrenlex> function1: audacity >= 1.3.0 uses GTK2. You can skin it by using a GTK2 skin
[07:24] <doviende> maddash: do you get errors when you "sudo hibernate"?
[07:24] <function1> arrenlex: skin audacity or skin wxwidgets?
[07:24] <amicrawler> there is  bearly  in the src  in the depo  @http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ but does not work
[07:24] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: have you tried changing layout in control center?
[07:24] <Tron_> vmwareworkstation_5.5.3-34686_i386
[07:25] <po0f> Tron_: Upgrading libc6 is a pain, and probably not doable at all in Ubuntu; you're better off upgrading to Edgy.
[07:25] <doviende> maddash: might want to check in dmesg too
[07:25] <pepe> hello. I have a configuration problem with my ubuntu. I installed djk1.5 through apt, and it set a default path to it, which i would like to change, but i can't find where it is noted.
[07:25] <Tron_> how can i update?
[07:25] <arrenlex> function1: Audacity -> wxwigets -> gtk+, so adding a gtk+ theme changes the look of audacity.
[07:25] <function1> ah
[07:25] <xtknight> Tron_: please answer, what ubuntu are you using?
[07:25] <Tron_> Linux debian-desktop 2.6.15-27-386
[07:25] <JustNew> HI all. I've got a HP C5180 all in one printer on my local network. (ie, the printer is actually connected via ethernet. Any ideas how to get her going in Ubuntu?
[07:25] <maddash> doviende: yep - here's the hibernate return msg I told you about before:
[07:25] <lovloss> I dont think it makes sense to program without a gui when the really good ones can keep total track of every single function, class, whateevr you do.   I clicked on the flag on the tray, and it switches to the layout, but when i try to type, it gives me english characters instead of korean.
[07:25] <Tron_> i dunno just what uname reports
[07:25] <Tron_> Linux debian-desktop 2.6.15-27-386
[07:25] <nevron> arrenlex:  a compiler that can help me see actually what i am doing because i am just starting to code how would i show anything if i have been coding for only 5 seconds?
[07:25] <doviende> maddash: heh, sorry, i forgot about it
[07:25] <Tron_> i think its dapper
[07:25] <xtknight> Tron_: lsb_release -a
[07:26] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: Just a sec
[07:26] <maddash> doviende: Your kernel does not appear to have Software Suspend2 compiled in...
[07:26] <drivingmenuts> hello
[07:26] <ozoneco> how do i tell drive usage?
[07:26] <drivingmenuts> can anyone help me
[07:26] <xtknight> nevron: you're speaking of an Integrated Development Environment (IDE).  IDEs call compilers and linkers
[07:26] <Tron_> Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS
[07:26] <po0f> ozoneco: df -h
[07:26] <Kvek> hello
[07:26] <Tron_> yeah its dapper
[07:26] <ozoneco> ty
[07:26] <drivingmenuts> im trying to upgrade dapper to edgy
[07:26] <doviende> maddash: ahh, ok
[07:26] <drivingmenuts> and i keep getting this error
[07:26] <function1> arrenlex: looks like i have 1.2.4b. latest version in the repos for edgy
[07:26] <arrenlex> nevron: ...again, this time in English. o_O A compiler would help you see what you were doing how? Doing what? Show anything of what?
[07:26] <doviende> maddash: so maybe it's just the way that dapper sets up the kernel
[07:26] <arrenlex> function1: Strongly advise you to get the new beta. It's purty.
[07:26] <doviende> maddash: have you ever compiled a kernel before?
[07:27] <drivingmenuts> failed to fetch http://ubuntu.beryl-project
[07:27] <enigma32> offtopic: What is Audacity 1.3.0+ using?
[07:27] <__lonewolf> I'm compiling mine right now
[07:27] <function1> still gtk theme the way to go? is this the same as a gnome theme?
[07:27] <xtknight> Tron_: vmware is telling you you need a newer libc?
[07:27] <po0f> nevron: Use GEdit, it has syntax highlighting by default available for Python.
[07:27] <Tron_> yeah
[07:27] <maddash> doviende: nope - why?
[07:27] <Tron_> says i need 2.4-1
[07:27] <nevron> arrenlex i think you are very rude and absolutely not helping at all
[07:27] <arrenlex> function1: Yes it is, and no it isn't, respectively.
[07:27] <Tron_> i only have 2.3 something
[07:27] <xtknight> Tron_: very odd, ive installed vmware numerous times on everything and ive never seen that message.  could you post the whole error log on pastebin so i can see what else is going on?
[07:27] <Kvek> I need some help please
[07:27] <IntuitiveNipple> Programming: Beginners Guide: http://www.guidetoprogramming.com/component/option,com_/Itemid,0/option,content/task,view/id,20/
[07:27] <doviende> maddash: well, if you had, then it might be the easiest way to fix this ;)
[07:27] <maddash> doviende: I didn't compile this kernel myself, if that's what you're asking...
[07:27] <function1> k i will have a peek then
[07:27] <Tron_> yes one sec
[07:27] <arrenlex> nevron: I'm trying to understand what you're saying. Is this impolite?
[07:27] <doviende> maddash: if not, then we need to get you a new kernel through apt-get
[07:28] <maddash> doviende: easy is good - what should I do?
[07:28] <xtknight> arrenlex: he means an IDE
[07:28] <arrenlex> xtknight: OH!
[07:28] <arrenlex> Okay. xDD
[07:28] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: i know you have tried the flag but have you tried settings>regioal>keyboard layout and have you localized for the language?
[07:28] <doviende> maddash: well, i don't have time to guide you through your first kernel install tonight
[07:28] <pepe> please, can anyone tell me where the default PATH and primary is set?
[07:28] <maddash> doviende: hold on, I'm going to try the 386 kernel
[07:28] <po0f> arrenlex: Duh, you're 'sposed to be psychic.  ;P
[07:28] <doviende> maddash: ya, try that
[07:28] <nevron> there will always be people like you arrenlex but i am getting better learning to communicate with your kind
[07:28] <drivingmenuts> can anyone tell me how to check the kernel version?
[07:28] <arrenlex> po0f: I know. Something's wrong with me. :(
[07:28] <pepe> "default and primary PATH", sorry
[07:29] <IntuitiveNipple> pepe - in bash?
[07:29] <__lonewolf> uname -r
[07:29] <xtknight> pepe: echo $PATH  ?
[07:29] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts, uname -r
[07:29] <Kvek> how long should it take to install ubuntu 6.06?
[07:29] <enigma32> arrenlex: what is audacity 1.3.0+ using instead of wxwidgets?
[07:29] <drivingmenuts> thanks lonewolf
[07:29] <arrenlex> nevron: People like me? I'm trying to understand what you're saying to see if I can help you.
[07:29] <pepe> intuitivenipple:yes
[07:29] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts, no probs
[07:29] <lovloss> >.<
[07:29] <drivingmenuts> lonewolf
[07:29] <IntuitiveNipple> pepe: read http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/profile.html
[07:29] <pepe> xtnight: nope, the place where it is set
[07:29] <drivingmenuts> do u know how to replace the file?
[07:29] <Tron_> xtknight: http://rafb.net/p/lA9qwy57.html
[07:29] <arrenlex> enigma32: I'm going to go out on a limb and say it uses gtk2 directly, just like a normal gnome program. Please, please don't quote me on that.
[07:29] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts, which file do you want to replace?
[07:30] <nevron> arrenlex we both know that it is not the case
[07:30] <n2diy_> pepe: that is how you set it too.
[07:30] <IntuitiveNipple> PATH: usually etc/profile and then the user's profile
[07:30] <drivingmenuts> one sec.
[07:30] <enigma32> arrenlex: thanks. maybe I'll look more into it.
[07:30] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: yes, that's how i set up the keyboard layouts.  was i supposed to install the internationalization files in synaptec?  i did go into Settings/Regional/Region/Country and Language to set that
[07:30] <drivingmenuts> i want to replace
[07:30] <arrenlex> nevron: No, actually, that is exactly the case. You were talking about a compiler helping you code, and I was trying to find out what exactly you were looking for.
[07:30] <drivingmenuts> this ipw3945.ko
[07:30] <drivingmenuts> with the filei downloaded
[07:30] <xtknight> Tron_: where did you get the deb file?  vmware's site?  that must be the  edgy version i guess but my package has always been an extracted one
[07:30] <Kvek> I need some help on installing ubuntu on my pc
[07:31] <xtknight> Kvek: what issues are you having?
[07:31] <Tron_> can i upgrade to edgy easily?
[07:31] <xtknight> Tron_: yes,
[07:31] <xtknight> !upgrade
[07:31] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[07:31] <Kvek> well every thing works fine just would like to know how long it takes to install
[07:31] <nevron> ok i am new to linux and i have seen visual basic compilers and used them does python have anything like that?
[07:31] <Tron_> thanks for your help
[07:31] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts, I'm not sure if you can just replace a file like that
[07:31] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: i think you would need localization files to type in the language
[07:31] <po0f> nevron: Basically, Python isn't compiled.  You write your script/program into a file ending in the *.py extension and run it with `python file.py`.
[07:31] <arrenlex> nevron: This is like calling a motorcycle a "car" when you're buying a vehicle, and then getting mad at the salespersons because they keep asking you how you expect to do wheelies.
[07:31] <xtknight> Kvek: depends on your PC and internet connection
[07:32] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts, but if you need to copy it, use the cp command. Are you new to Linux/Unix?
[07:32] <Kvek> i have ubuntu 6.06 disk
[07:32] <mister_roboto> po0f: i think he's looking for an IDE like visual studio
[07:32] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: let me check to see that i installed it
[07:32] <po0f> nevron: You can use any text editor to write it, but use one with syntax highlighting.  GEdit has syntax highlighting on by default for Python.
[07:32] <nevron> ok it is not compiled i understand that but what should i use as an editor? what do you people use when you are writing python stuff
[07:32] <xtknight> does the Ubuntu CD download stuff off the net or am i thinking of Debian?
[07:32] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: Okay
[07:32] <nevron> ok po0f thank you
[07:33] <pepe> intuitivenipple: does not look to be what i needed. i might have asked the wrong question.
[07:33] <xtknight> Kvek: i dont think it wuold take more than 2 hours on any machine
[07:33] <IntuitiveNipple> xt - the CD doesn't download anything during install, but it can after once you install additional packages
[07:33] <drivingmenuts> does upgrading to edgy will change the kernel version?
[07:33] <xtknight> Kvek: but configuring it is another story
[07:33] <po0f> mister_roboto: I know, but it's not really what he wants.
[07:33] <Kvek> what do i need to do during the install process
[07:33] <pepe> intuitivenipple: i would like to find where the path to my jvm is set upon boot
[07:33] <drivingmenuts> does upgrading to edgy will change kernel version?
[07:33] <Tron_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[07:33] <pepe> intuitivenipple: and i thought it was directly done into bash scripts
[07:34] <Tron_> got that when i tried to upgrade
[07:34] <pepe> intuitivenipple: but it is not.
[07:34] <xtknight> drivingmenuts: yes edgy uses a new kernel
[07:34] <drivingmenuts> kk
[07:34] <drivingmenuts> cool
[07:34] <Asc> On the livecd, if I extract the contents of /casper/filesystem.squashfs to a partition with no files on it, the result will be a bootable partition, right?
[07:34] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts, no it won't. If you can, try a fresh install of Edgy instead of upgrading it. Upgrading to Edgy has a lot of problems.
[07:34] <IntuitiveNipple> pepe - those ARE bash scripts
[07:34] <__lonewolf> xtknight, I don't think it will upgrade.  I expected to find a set PATH=BLABLA/usr/lib/jvm/.... but noting
[07:35] <xtknight> i am pretty sure theres a newer kernel than dapper in the edgy repositories isnt there?
[07:35] <drivingmenuts> i can't freshly install edgy man
[07:35] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: i know, self-depracation helps me pass the time faster. :-)  not working still
[07:36] <drivingmenuts> cuz edgy gives me this error
[07:36] <xtknight> and when you do dist-upgrade im not sure how it would gloss over that
[07:36] <drivingmenuts> soft lock up cpu#0 does anyone know about this?
[07:36] <__lonewolf> dist-upgrade broke many friends' systems :)
[07:36] <drivingmenuts> soft lock up cpu#0 does anyone know about this error?
[07:36] <__lonewolf> that is, dist-upgrade to Edgy
[07:36] <xtknight> i used the gksu update manager -c app myself
[07:36] <drivingmenuts> i did that too
[07:37] <IntuitiveNipple> pepe  your user path is added in the  ~/.bash_profile
[07:37] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: so you installed the local file for the language and changed the keyboard layout so far?
[07:37] <isede> both Firefox and Opera seem to have problems with https. is there a system-wide library i should reinstall?
[07:37] <xtknight> isede: really?  https works fine here
[07:37] <pepe> intuitivenipple yes, i looked there too. i fact i also tried grep-R jvm * ;)
[07:37] <isede> no
[07:37] <isede> i man , on my system
[07:37] <pepe> intuitivenipple at lots of places
[07:37] <isede> i mean
[07:37] <Tron_> how do i fix this error?
[07:37] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: let me double check the keyboard layout
[07:37] <Kvek> so it takes 2hrs to install via the live cd?
[07:37] <Tron_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[07:37] <__lonewolf> isede, I think you should enable crypt-something in your kernel?
[07:38] <xtknight> isede: wow, sorry, i wasnt being sarcastic, im obviously too tired tonight lol
[07:38] <IntuitiveNipple> pepe - does that path already contain what you're looking for, and you just want to find out where its set?
[07:38] <drivingmenuts> does anyone know this error soft lock up cpu#0???????????????????????????????///
[07:38] <isede> it was working till yestrday, i killed firefox couple of times and now nothing https is loading on any browser
[07:38] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: if you changed the keybord layout and no response try putting the language in locale under the default one.
[07:39] <pepe> intuitivenipple: yes
[07:39] <IntuitiveNipple> pepe: for Java, if i understand you correctly, see: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/essential/environment/paths.html
[07:39] <__lonewolf> isede: run firefox from the shell and note it if throws any errors on the console/shell
[07:39] <drivingmenuts> would someone please help me?
[07:40] <isede> <__lonewolf: ok
[07:40] <isede> __lonewolf: no, no errors
[07:40] <drivingmenuts> soft cpu lock up tt.t.t.t.............
[07:40] <IntuitiveNipple> drivingmenuts: have you Googled for that error and read the various reports to see if you have a similar scenario?
[07:40] <drivingmenuts> yes
[07:40] <pepe> intuitivenipple: thanks a lot. RTFMing..
[07:41] <drivingmenuts> in fact it tells me to replace the file
[07:41] <drivingmenuts> but i can't even boot
[07:41] <IntuitiveNipple> did you see any reports mentioning the same hardware devices you have, maybe?
[07:41] <drivingmenuts> yes
[07:41] <Tron_> how do i disable this inactive repository so i can upgrade?
[07:41] <Tron_> Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/main/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[07:41] <drivingmenuts> ipw3945 kill switch
[07:41] <passwordissaman> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable -> error Error: your X configuration has been altered.
[07:41] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: still not going anywhere
[07:41] <function1> arrenlex: k, how to switch gtk2 theme?
[07:41] <SyncopatedFool> still typing in english
[07:41] <xtknight> Tron_: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:41] <isede> __lonewolf: in partcular, neither firefox nor opera wants to open gmail
[07:41] <arrenlex> function1: It's your gnome theme. Are you running gnome?
[07:41] <Tron_> can i just remove it?
[07:41] <Asc> Now this is why I love linux.  I'll just install DSL on my swap partition, boot that, and use ssh to copy Ubuntu to the main partition.
[07:42] <IntuitiveNipple> drivingmenuts: have you got SD or flash cards in a reader during boot?
[07:42] <__lonewolf> isede: Start it in the console and go to any https site
[07:42] <Tron_> i dont know why its not working
[07:42] <function1> yea gnome
[07:42] <drivingmenuts> no
[07:42] <isede> __lonewolf: it opens the page but nothing is displayed
[07:42] <passwordissaman> can i revert the x configuration?
[07:42] <__lonewolf> Oh
[07:42] <Tron_> everything else works fine but that address is messing up
[07:42] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: Let me check one more thing
[07:42] <arrenlex> function1: Do you know how to change your gnome theme?
[07:42] <isede> __lonewolf: i just did
[07:42] <xtknight> Tron_: i wouldnt suggest it but try modifying it to use another dapper-updates mirror
[07:42] <function1> yah
[07:42] <isede> __lonewolf gmail
[07:42] <isede> __lonewolf: yahoo
[07:42] <drivingmenuts> hey inu niple
[07:42] <arrenlex> function1: There you go. :)
[07:42] <drivingmenuts> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/60053
[07:42] <drivingmenuts> this is the website
[07:42] <kalifonria909> does dapper do a good job with xg
[07:42] <kalifonria909> xgl
[07:42] <isede> __lonewolf: everyhting is fine until HTTPS kicks in
[07:42] <passwordissaman> I screwd up my X configuration, how do i revert it?
[07:42] <__lonewolf> isede: I had that same problem sometime back, and all I had to do was enable crypt-something (forgot what it was) in the kernel and recompile the kernel
[07:43] <isede> __lonewolf: you think i corrupted kerner when halting the system/?
[07:43] <isede> __lonewolf: kernel
[07:43] <__lonewolf> isede: Do you know how to create a stock kernel? Actually I'm surprised its not there in yours.
[07:43] <drivingmenuts> hey inuitive nipple help?
[07:43] <__lonewolf> isede: what did you do to halt it?
[07:43] <IntuitiveNipple> drivingmenuts: check this bug report? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[07:43] <function1> arrenlex: it didnt make audacity look any better though it still looks clunky and gross with non-antialiased fonts. it never matched my gnome 'human' theme
[07:43] <isede> __lonewolf: i typed "halt"
[07:43] <drivingmenuts> yeah
[07:43] <drivingmenuts> that's the bug i have
[07:43] <drivingmenuts> i sent u link
[07:44] <__lonewolf> isede: halt -n should work, it won't corrupt the kernel
[07:44] <kalifonria909> is xgl worth the pain to install with the new distro's
[07:44] <arrenlex> function1: Are you sure you're running audacity 1.3.0beta?
[07:44] <maddash> can someone help me get suspend/hibern working on my laptop? I've done a server install of dapper, so I think I'm missing the necessary packages...
[07:44] <Q_Continuum> Azureus quits as soon as it opens and launches the initial setup wizard - any ideas?  (Just tried logging out and back in in case it was already running)
[07:44] <isede> __lonewolf: perhaps i could just reinstal the kernel ?
[07:44] <function1> oh no i havent installed that yet
[07:44] <arrenlex> function1: Oh! That's different.
[07:44] <arrenlex> function1: gtk+ themes are harder.
[07:44] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: i do remember on my old redhat and mandrake machines that to type in korean, i physically switched the entire environment to korean, but i honestly don't want to do that, it's not my native language, so it gets confusing
[07:44] <drivingmenuts> inuitive now what do i do?
[07:44] <__lonewolf> isede: Yes you could, do you know how to do it?
[07:44] <function1> ahh ok i will google for gtk+ theme switching
[07:45] <__lonewolf> isede: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[07:45] <arrenlex> function1: Why not just install the beta?
[07:45] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: Only other thing I can suggest is to try scim
[07:45] <__lonewolf> isede: apt-get install linux-image-`uname -r`
[07:45] <doviende> SyncopatedFool: ya, that's annoying
[07:45] <SyncopatedFool> scim?
[07:45] <arrenlex> __lonewolf: Won't the second command just try to install the kernel you're currently running?
[07:45] <drivingmenuts> hey intuitive nipple?
[07:45] <drivingmenuts> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/60053 anything?
[07:46] <__lonewolf> arrenlex: I generally use both
[07:46] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: it's an alternate language input program. link to info is here.................http://www.mrbass.org/linux/ubuntu/scim/
[07:46] <function1> arrenles: i generally like to use the stuff from the repos. not that im scared of compiling and using checkinstall, but it just feels less official. if i cant get anywhere with the gtk+ themes ill get audacity 1.3. so it uses gtk2 then?
[07:46] <IntuitiveNipple> drivingmenuts: the usual practice is to strip the PC down to bare minimum hardware, boot, test, and then slowly add each deice back until you see the error - then you know what is causing it - if it is hardware-related
[07:46] <__lonewolf> arrenlex: Oh, the linux-headers is for creating your custom kernel. You're right.
[07:46] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: That may be just what you are looking for.
[07:46] <isede> __lonewolf: thsank you very much, i'll try now
[07:47] <drivingmenuts> it's about ipw3945 kill switch
[07:47] <__lonewolf> isede: Just install linux-image-`uname -r`
[07:47] <drivingmenuts> which is wireless
[07:47] <drivingmenuts> plus i have a laptop
[07:47] <arrenlex> __lonewolf: No, I'm serious. You're trying to install the kernel you're already running. Why?
[07:47] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: not sure if there is an edgy or dapper version though
[07:47] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, well if you're sure you know the cause, and there's no fix, the polite phrase is, I think, "you're foooked!"
[07:47] <function1> arrenlex: not arrenles. sorry. msg for you ^^
[07:47] <arrenlex> __lonewolf: It's like trying to install "synaptic" from inside synaptic.
[07:48] <po0f> arrenlex: Sometimes redundancy is a good thing.
[07:48] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: there is.  i somehow have it installed?  now the $100,000 question is how i get it running
[07:48] <__lonewolf> arrenlex: He wants to reinstall his kernel
[07:48] <arrenlex> __lonewolf: That will just say it's already installed, then. You should be using apt-get install --reinstall
[07:48] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: check the link i gave you. it explains it im pretty sure
[07:49] <__lonewolf> arrenlex: Oh, thanks! I thought apt-get install would do a reinstall
[07:49] <arrenlex> __lonewolf: Nope. That's why I was confused. Sorry. :)
[07:49] <pr0gress0r> ok, i have now enabled the nvidia driver. Now whats the trick to get sceptre monitors to show up?
[07:49] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: looking over the page it seems to be pretty complete
[07:49] <__lonewolf> arrenlex: I moved over from Gentoo. I used to do emerge for install/reinstall. :)
[07:49] <arrenlex> __lonewolf: See? em@sam:~$ sudo apt-get install kedit
[07:49] <arrenlex> kedit is already the newest version.
[07:50] <__lonewolf> arrenlex: Yes
[07:50] <po0f> __lonewolf: Have you recovered yet?  ;)
[07:50] <james296> how can you remove NIC support in Ubuntu? cuz I think after enabling that it caused a error message to come up everytime I boot up that says it says to execute HAL!
[07:50] <__lonewolf> po0f: Actually not yet! I still keep  typing emerge blah blah and then change it to apt-get :)
[07:51] <kalifornia909> what program should i use to burn iso's
[07:51] <veronica> hehehehe
[07:51] <james296> can someone plz help me?
[07:51] <po0f> __lonewolf: It's a long road, but you'll get through just fine.
[07:51] <veronica> kalifornia909: k3b :)
[07:51] <Q_Continuum> Azureus is broken out of the box.  Installed, also have the Java 5.0 runtime installed.  Start it up, it triggers the new user wizard, and closes immediately.
[07:51] <po0f> kalifornia909: I use GnomeBaker.
[07:51] <arrenlex> !iso | kalifornia909
[07:51] <ubotu> kalifornia909: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning.
[07:51] <__lonewolf> po0f: I hope so, I used to use Debian 64-bit in 2004 until I switched to Gentoo 64 in 2005
[07:51] <arrenlex> kalifornia909: Nevermind, that factoid wasn't as useful as I thought it was.
[07:52] <po0f> __lonewolf: Actually, if I was using a 64-bit box, I'd use gentoo.
[07:52] <pepe> intuitivenipple: i almost found what is my problem. i need to call update-java-alternatives and give the path to my prefered jdk, but... the script is not installed...
[07:52] <james296> well??
[07:52] <po0f> james296: What's the problem exactly?
[07:52] <james296> plz I need to head for bed I have classs in the morning and I want to solve this problem
[07:52] <__lonewolf> po0f: I did a Stage 2 install. Gentoo was faster than Debian (pure)
[07:53] <james296> I dont know I just get an error message at boot up that says it faled to execute HAL device or whatever
[07:53] <james296> I dunno why
[07:53] <VMT2007> ooh, 2.6.20
[07:53] <james296> maybe because I enabled NIC support
[07:53] <veronica> kalifornia909: it should be could always use gnome baker
[07:53] <po0f> james296: How did you enable 'NIC support'?
[07:53] <__lonewolf> ifup eth0?
[07:53] <james296> I used that custom installer from the unofficial Ubuntu guide
[07:54] <__lonewolf> ifdown eth0 I mean
[07:54] <kalifornia909> i love automatix
[07:54] <james296> it wasnt automatix lol
[07:54] <po0f> kalifornia909: You're playing Russian roulette with your install.
[07:54] <Mackasha> hello
[07:55] <james296> its called install.sh
[07:55] <arrenlex> !hi
[07:55] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu!
[07:55] <Mackasha> anyone here?
[07:55] <n2diy_> !Hi
[07:55] <arrenlex> Mackasha: There are 843 people here right now. :)
[07:55] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: any luck there?
[07:55] <__lonewolf> Mackasha: Everyone is high on caffeine right now
[07:55] <koyo001> i need to write a file
[07:55] <veronica> hi Mackasha
[07:55] <james296> so can someone help??
[07:55] <koyo001> dont know how to do it
[07:55] <Flannel> koyo001: what do you mean?
[07:55] <__lonewolf> koyo001: Use nano <filename>
[07:56] <timfrost> koyo001: what kind of file?
[07:56] <po0f> james296: There are a lot of install.sh scripts out there, you'll have to be more specific.  :)
[07:56] <manchicken> Hey folks.  Are there any games similar to the popular "The Sims" games that you all know of?
[07:56] <james296> ok opoof
[07:56] <james296> poof*
[07:56] <james296> hold on
[07:56] <xtknight> anyone ever use kernel 1.0? does it work with ubuntu? ;)
[07:56] <drivingmenuts> is there howto install guide beryl for n
[07:56] <Flannel> !beryl | drivingmenuts
[07:56] <ubotu> drivingmenuts: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[07:57] <koyo001> __lonewolf:  "/etc/network/interfaces"
[07:57] <manchicken> mmm... beryl....
[07:57] <Flannel> drivingmenuts: in the topic of #ubunu-xgl, there should be links
[07:57] <james296> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy
[07:57] <james296> there poof
[07:57] <manchicken> Beryl is turning out to be quite neat.
[07:57] <james296>  Another script to install additional programs
[07:57] <__lonewolf> koyo001: Yes
[07:57] <koyo001> __lonewolf: dont know how to write in a file
[07:57] <james296> wget http://www.iki.fi/kuparine/comp/ubuntu/install.sh
[07:58] <__lonewolf> koyo001: Try this: nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[07:58] <Flannel> koyo001: what problems are you running into?  it's read only? or do you not know how to open it? or what?
[07:58] <__lonewolf> koyo001: if it is read-only, maybe you should put a sudo before it
[07:58] <__lonewolf> koyo001: sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[07:58] <koyo001> did that
[07:58] <pepe> anyone knows how to install update-java-alternatives script?
[07:58] <computer13137> Hello
[07:58] <veronica> hello
[07:58] <deckard> hello
[07:59] <n2diy_> hi
[07:59] <computer13137> Can someone tell me how to upgrade Ubuntu Breezy to Edgy using the install CD?  I read a few things on google that didn't work.
[07:59] <somerville32> hi
[07:59] <koyo001> __lonewolf: humm will try that
[07:59] <__lonewolf> koyo001: and then Ctrl+O (letter O for orange) and Ctrl +X to save it
[07:59] <Flannel> computer13137: you'll need to go breezy > dapper > edgy
[07:59] <cafuego_> pepe: There is no such script is there? You're supposed to run 'sudo update-alternatives --config java'
[07:59] <deckard> wow ndiswrapper works really good now
[07:59] <james296> well?
[07:59] <computer13137> Flannel: well how do I upgrade to Dapper using wget?
[07:59] <Flannel> computer13137: but, with the Alternate CD, you can use apt-cdrom to add the CD, then upgrade from that
[07:59] <Flannel> computer13137: wget? that's.... ugly.  apt-get you mean?
[08:00] <computer13137> Apt-get I'm sorry
[08:00] <computer13137> lol
[08:00] <Flannel> !upgrade | computer13137
[08:00] <ubotu> computer13137: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[08:00] <__lonewolf> lol
[08:00] <deckard> computer13137, apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:00] <Flannel> computer13137: there'll be instructions there, you'll want the "command line" instructions, obviously.
[08:00] <pepe> cafuego: yes, that's what i will try.. but i read otherwise here... http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201378  and here http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_JRE_v5.0_Update_10
[08:00] <koyo001> __lonewolf: thanks seem to have worked now just need to rewrite it
[08:00] <computer13137> It... didn't do anything.
[08:00] <__lonewolf> koyo001: Kewl
[08:00] <computer13137> Says 0 upgraded.
[08:00] <pepe> cafuego: as they say , there ought to be such a script.. but thnaks, i'll try yours right now
[08:00] <Flannel> computer13137: read that link, the one ubotu gave you
[08:00] <computer13137> Ah OK
[08:01] <Q_Continuum> Azureus is broken out of the box.  Installed, also have the Java 5.0 runtime installed.  Start it up, it triggers the new user wizard, and closes immediately.  If I sudo start it, it doesn't kill.
[08:01] <deckard> anyone using open vpn to connect to cisco concentrator 3000 ?
[08:01] <drivingmenuts> i have a question
[08:02] <Flannel> Q_Continuum: azureus is not maintained, nor supported by ubuntu, I suggest you ask azureus people about the errors, they'd be much better suited to help you
[08:02] <drivingmenuts> do i have to install nvidia graphic card driver before installing eyecandies>?
[08:02] <veronica> drivingmenuts: ask it
[08:02] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Beryl?
[08:02] <drivingmenuts> yeah stuff like that
[08:02] <drivingmenuts> xfl
[08:02] <drivingmenuts> xgl beryl
[08:03] <po0f> drivingmenuts: If you're using Dapper, don't bother.
[08:03] <james296> WELL???
[08:03] <seanj> Stuff llike that makes me wish I'd bought a video card that DRI supports instead of damn Nvidia
[08:03] <Flannel> !repeat | james296
[08:03] <ubotu> james296: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[08:03] <seanj> james296: patience please... these people are super busy if you watch
[08:03] <n2diy_> !patience
[08:03] <drivingmenuts> hey poof
[08:03] <po0f> seanj: I had no problems running it.
[08:03] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:03] <drivingmenuts> poff what u mean?
[08:03] <drivingmenuts> dapper doesn't work with beryl?
[08:03] <drivingmenuts> beryl doesn't work on dapper?
[08:03] <__lonewolf> !beryl
[08:03] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-xgl
[08:03] <seanj> Yeah I'm wondering too
[08:03] <po0f> drivingmenuts: It does, but you have to run Xgl ontop of X.
[08:04] <drivingmenuts> ok
[08:04] <drivingmenuts> im upgrading to dgy now
[08:04] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Edgy has built-in AIGLX, no hacks required.  :)
[08:04] <deckard> beryl + AIGLX +ATI = works great
[08:04] <drivingmenuts> hey poof
[08:04] <drivingmenuts> ok so with edgy
[08:04] <deckard> yeah use edgy
[08:04] <drivingmenuts> do i need to install nvidia driver?
[08:05] <po0f> drivingmenuts: You'll have to install drivers outside of the official repos.
[08:05] <Flannel> james296: we don't have any idea what the script does, (I'm still looking for it on ubuntuguide), the Wiki (help.ubuntu.com) is generally a better, safer to look for stuff, in the future.  So, which script did you use? what was the point of it?
[08:05] <drivingmenuts> poof
[08:05] <drivingmenuts> i have no idea what u are saying
[08:06] <po0f> Flannel: Ctrl-F, search for install.sh.  Looks to be some sort of Automatix clone.
[08:06] <seanj> manchicken: I agree. Long wait I imagine
[08:06] <james296> Im not sure I gave you the link to it though
[08:06] <drivingmenuts> hey poof
[08:06] <james296> and it just adds extras in it I guess
[08:06] <drivingmenuts> do u have msn?
[08:06] <drivingmenuts> msn messenger?
[08:06] <po0f> drivingmenuts: I don't IM, and I rarely IRC.  :)
[08:06] <seanj> It's best to ask in the channel so anyone else with the same problem can benefit
[08:06] <manchicken> seanj: Not if we get a good team of hackers together in secret to reverse-engineer drivers.
[08:07] <seanj> manchicken: I'm sure that's already happening :)
[08:07] <drivingmenuts> god
[08:07] <seanj> I'm not a coder, otherwise I'd help
[08:07] <drivingmenuts> linux is so hard
[08:07] <drivingmenuts> imma gonna give up
[08:07] <Flannel> james296: right, generally those sorts of scripts are dangerous.  Automatix, for example, breaks stuff beyond repair.  It's literally less hassle to reinstall your system then to attempt to back out of what it's done.
[08:07] <n2diy_> )
[08:07] <crimsun> it's called "noveau"
[08:07] <drivingmenuts> god driving me nuts
[08:07] <seanj> So is Windows, at first
[08:07] <pepe> cafuego: the way you indicated me works partially. it does not update everything. :s still looking for the update-java-alternatives install
[08:07] <Menisk> Do either dapper or edgy support d-link cards with the Ralink chipset?
[08:08] <Menisk> Belkin sorry*
[08:08] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Search the forums.  I believe someone has a repo set up with beta NVIDIA drivers available.
[08:08] <__lonewolf> !nvidia
[08:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:08] <seanj> Nvidia drivers are available by default; apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:08] <nowhere> hi, anyone happens to know if there is a channel for openoffice?
[08:09] <CarCase928> hello, every time i boot ubuntu on my laptop, just before the desktop appears, some strange colors start to appear then changes color, and then the desktop appears, when i move any app window, it's sluggish, do i need to update/install my video card drivers?
[08:09] <drivingmenuts> really?
[08:09] <james296> yes, but I have already reformatted my harddrive alot, and am doin my best not to do that again because I dont want to damage it, and also Im trying to use as little bandwidth usage as possible because my internet provider is allowing me to use a max of 50gb bandwidth
[08:09] <Flannel> james296: now, that doesn't mean your issue requires a reinstall, Do you have errors, or anything like that?
[08:09] <po0f> seanj: Beryl-friendly drivers.  :)
[08:09] <seanj> Ohh I see. Sorry, my mistake
[08:09] <koyo001> having problems with a braodcom
[08:09] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: I have the same problem; I am not sure if its with the framebuffer or the usplash
[08:09] <james296> just a error at boot up that says it is unable to determine my HAL! device or whatever...
[08:09] <koyo001> sorry broadcom
[08:09] <james296> somethin like that
[08:09] <james296> you know what I mean
[08:09] <SyncopatedFool> veronica: disgusting, i can't even get it to do anything at all, nor can i kill the app.
[08:10] <Flannel> nowhere: #OpenOffice, it appears
[08:10] <manchicken> seanj: I hope so.
[08:10] <Menisk> Do either dapper or edgy support belkin WiFi cards using the ralink chipset?
[08:10] <manchicken> seanj: I'm tired of bloody incompatability.
[08:10] <koyo001> i have a instruccion manual
[08:10] <drivingmenuts> i won ndivia geforce go 7300 help with installing driver?
[08:10] <seanj> manchicken: Same. I'm inclined to learn C just to pitch in
[08:10] <seanj> Rather than use non-free software
[08:10] <koyo001> but not really sure what corresponds
[08:10] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: that was the last thing that i could think of.
[08:11] <seanj> nowhere: you might try channel #users.openoffice.org
[08:11] <koyo001> if someone knows anything about this
[08:11] <nowhere> thanks a lot seanj
[08:11] <po0f> drivingmenuts: `sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx`, then run the command afterwards it tells you to.
[08:11] <seanj> No problem :)
[08:11] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: i was experiencing the same problem on mdesktop, but i was able to get the problem fixed, thanks to this chat room but i completely forgot to fix this problem, i have an nvidia GeForce graphics card
[08:12] <CarCase928> __Lonewolf: on my desktop
[08:12] <veronica> SyncopatedFool: i understand the disgust too. i wonder if it is a font issue now that i am thinking about it.
[08:12] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: Thats nice. So is it fixed now?
[08:13] <gerald> is there a way to allow my soundcard to work with more than 1 running program?
[08:13] <drivingmenuts> hey poof
[08:13] <drivingmenuts> so that;s only thing i have to type on the terminal that it will install driever?
[08:13] <chable> mornong
[08:13] <manchicken> seanj: C is the easy part.  Learning how to write 3d drivers is the hard part.
[08:13] <chable> morning* even
[08:13] <seanj> :(
[08:13] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Yes.
[08:14] <manchicken> seanj: I've been hacking C for years now.  I still would have no idea where to begin with hacking a 3d driver.
[08:14] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: this happened sevral weeks ago on my desktop before i bought my laptop, but now i am experiencing this problem on my new laptop, which is built by the same company that made my desktop.
[08:14] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: Oh okay
[08:14] <chable> anyone can tell me why xorg crashes if i install the drivers from nvidia`s website ?
[08:14] <seanj> manchicken: That's a bummer... that also means it would be years before I could contribute, becuase I hardly know C :(
[08:14] <crimsun> C is one of the easiest languages to pick up
[08:14] <seanj> I hope so :)
[08:15] <pk> anyone here use microprocessors?
[08:15] <elkbuntu> and there's more ways to contribute to FLOSS than just coding
[08:15] <n2diy_> seanj: than learn PERL
[08:15] <seanj> PERL looks fun
[08:15] <IntuitiveNipple> is there a way to prevent the pdc202xx module being loaded at boot time on Edgy?
[08:15] <elkbuntu> seanj, what are you good at? being loud, doing art?
[08:15] <po0f> Perl?  Look fun?
[08:15] <__lonewolf> Its Perl, not PERL
[08:16] <chable> lol
[08:16] <drivingmenuts> god damn it
[08:16] <seanj> elkbuntu: I can draw with or without a computer, I talk about GNU/Linux a lot, and I can write docs I'm sure
[08:16] <mneptok> pk: i use macroprocessrs. chicks dig guys with big die size.
[08:16] <drivingmenuts> i just want to use beryl for like 5 minutes
[08:16] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Language.
[08:16] <drivingmenuts> and erase this linux
[08:16] <drivingmenuts> god
[08:16] <n2diy_> whatever. :)
[08:16] <drivingmenuts> linux is so hard
[08:16] <seanj> I'm pretty sure it's PERL
[08:16] <drivingmenuts> driving menuts
[08:16] <manchicken> Perl (not PERL) is fun ^_^
[08:16] <__lonewolf> Perl rules!
[08:16] <pk> mneptok, which one do you use
[08:16] <chable> drivingmenuts, u have driver problems too
[08:16] <chable> ?
[08:16] <po0f> Perl (looks) fun(ny)!
[08:16] <crimsun> oh no, mneptok's got the macroprocessor of DOOM
[08:17] <seanj> lol po0f
[08:17] <elkbuntu> seanj, ok then, there's various ways to help. #ubuntu-docs is the ubuntu doc irc channel
[08:17] <seanj> ok elkbuntu :)
[08:17] <manchicken> (looks funnier 'lisp)
[08:17] <n2diy_> Portable Extraction and Reporting Language.
[08:17] <kel> anyone know which app do I use to view .BIN video files?
[08:17] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: the only difference is, my laptop did not display those strange colors, it was only sluggish when i attempt to move an app window, but that was fixed, it was something to do with updating the nvidia driver, i am attempted to install the nvidia driver for my laptop, but that didn't solved my problem, and i can't use ubuntu until i get this sluggish problem to be fixed and those strange colors to disappearge
[08:17] <seanj> as in PERL. hehe
[08:17] <__lonewolf> * Practical, not Portable
[08:17] <po0f> kel: MPlayer.
[08:17] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: disappear
[08:17] <manchicken> seanj: It's Perl, not PERL ^_^
[08:17] <n2diy_> Whoops
[08:17] <chable> im gonna google
[08:17] <elkbuntu> seanj, and for something arty but non-ubuntu http://openclipart.org/ :)
[08:17] <manchicken> The language is older than that acronym ^_^
[08:17] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: i meant the desktop did not show the colors
[08:17] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: Oh, I know what you mean. That means your nVidia driver is not installed, thats all.
[08:17] <kel> po0f, Mplayer says seek failed
[08:17] <manchicken> Just ask Larry Wall ^_^
[08:18] <po0f> manchicken: It must be that "there's more than one way to do it" philosophy shining through.
[08:18] <seanj> Okay ... you win by sheer volume lol
[08:18] <seanj> I'm outvoted
[08:18] <po0f> :P
[08:18] <Menisk> Is the ralink ra2561 chipset supported in ubuntu 6.10
[08:18] <seanj> Thanks elkbuntu :)
[08:18] <manchicken> seanj: Know any neat free-software games?
[08:18] <mneptok> pk: all of my base instructions are offloaded to the Girlfriend Co-Processor for prioritazation and scheduling ;)
[08:18] <elkbuntu> seanj, no problem, join us in #ubuntu-offtopic some time for non-support discussion :)
[08:18] <seanj> elkbuntu: Aweome, I'll do that
[08:19] <po0f> manchicken: Wesnoth is supposed to be good, I want to try 1.2 actually.
[08:19] <seanj> manchicken: I'm into first-person-shooters like OpenArena and Nexuiz
[08:19] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: i installed the driver from synaptic, but those colors still show, and moving app windows, scrolling web pages....ect are still sluggish
[08:19] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: If thats the only problem, apt-get install nvidia-glx should do. And if it doesn't work out, get the latest drivers from nvidia.com
[08:19] <Bhaskar> how can i do C and java. programming in ubuntu
[08:19] <mneptok> seanj: clothing optional
[08:19] <seanj> manchicken: Unfortunately they both require 3d acceleration
[08:19] <seanj> mneptok: lol
[08:19] <elkbuntu> po0f, if it's any consellation, my brother is addicted to it now, bwaha :)
[08:19] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: Did you restart X after updating the driver?
[08:19] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: no, i didn't, and i don't remember how
[08:20] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:20] <koyo001> NEED TO WRITE IN A FILE
[08:20] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: Go to a text  console with Ctrl F1 and run it from there.
[08:20] <po0f> elkbuntu: Guess I'll be AFK compiling it then.  :)
[08:20] <seanj> koyo001: need to turn off caps lock :P
[08:20] <koyo001> DOES SOMEONE KNOW HOW TO DO THIS
[08:20] <DarthLappy> !caps | koyo001
[08:20] <ubotu> koyo001: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[08:20] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: ok, i'll try it, thanks
[08:21] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: Good luck.
[08:21] <koyo001> dont consider it shouting
[08:21] <CarCase928> __lonewolf thanks
[08:21] <elkbuntu> mneptok, hehe
[08:21] <seanj> koyo001: Almost everybody does
[08:21] <__lonewolf> koyo001 is a newbie
[08:21] <__lonewolf> CarCase928: no probs
[08:21] <Bhaskar> who can suggest me: how can i do C and java. programming in ubuntu
[08:21] <seanj> koyo001: Go to Applications -> Accessories -> Text Editor
[08:21] <koyo001> of course i am a newbie
[08:21] <n2diy_> We're all newbies!
[08:22] <seanj> I'm still a newbie
[08:22] <Kasbahn> Hear hear n2diy_!
[08:22] <po0f> int main(void) {return 0;}
[08:22] <DarthLappy> n2diy_: No we're not!
[08:22] <seanj> or maybe just a pseudonewbie
[08:22] <veronica> psssseudonewbie
[08:22] <elkbuntu> mneptok, um.. try keep this channel family friendly
[08:22] <__lonewolf> I'm a newbie, to Ubuntu
[08:22] <seanj> veronica: lol
[08:22] <drivingmenuts> how do i check kernel version again?
[08:22] <jbroome> uname -a
[08:22] <__lonewolf> uname -r
[08:22] <elkbuntu> __lonewolf, we all were once
[08:22] <po0f> drivingmenuts: uname -r
[08:22] <__lonewolf> elkbuntu: Yes :)
[08:23] <n2diy_> DarthLappy: then you haven't been around long enough, or you've been around to long! :)
[08:23] <veronica> becoming endeared to etch though :)
[08:23] <DarthLappy> n2diy_: I don't think 2 years is either.
[08:23] <mneptok> elkbuntu: sorry, typed "branch" and got cut off. but you can't argue with results >:)
[08:23] <n2diy_> DarthLappy: I'm cooking on 7.
[08:24] <drivingmenuts> hey ppl
[08:24] <DarthLappy> n2diy_: 7'd make me 6 when I started...
[08:24] <drivingmenuts> how do i replace the file from the lib/modules/...
[08:24] <elkbuntu> mneptok, i believe you, really, but millions wouldnt
[08:24] <drivingmenuts> like i donwloaded this file from the website
[08:24] <n2diy_> DarthLappy: Roger on that!
[08:24] <__lonewolf> Finally created my custom kernel, need to reboot. BRB.
[08:25] <po0f> drivingmenuts: If you can't figure out how to do it, I don't suggest manually installing NVIDIA drivers.
[08:25] <drivingmenuts> and i have to replace it from the file i already have on my /lib/module/2.6.17-generic/kernel/driver/net/wireless/
[08:25] <DarthLappy> n2diy_: Anyway, I'm back to lurking for people to comment to/factoid against ^_^
[08:25] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Trust me, I'm saving you a headache later on.
[08:25] <drivingmenuts> poof can u please tell me
[08:25] <veronica> what about easybuntu?
[08:25] <drivingmenuts> poff please tell me
[08:25] <n2diy_> DarthLappy: Roger on that!
[08:25] <__lonewolf> drivingmenuts: Use the cp command
[08:25] <drivingmenuts> ok how -_-;
[08:25] <drivingmenuts> what do i do
[08:25] <po0f> drivingmenuts: I don't have a wireless card.
[08:26] <drivingmenuts> im noob
[08:26] <drivingmenuts> i downloaded this file and it's on my desktop
[08:26] <n2diy_> man cp
[08:26] <drivingmenuts> and i have to change it
[08:26] <drivingmenuts> what do i do after typing cp"?
[08:26] <kraut> moin
[08:27] <DarthLappy> drivingmenuts: cp <from file> <to file> (obviously use the real filenames and lose the brackets)
[08:27] <drivingmenuts> thank you darthlappy
[08:28] <Bhaskar> darthlappy: how can i do C / java programming in ubuntu
[08:28] <po0f> Bhaskar: What's your level of knowledge?
[08:29] <n2diy_> How can I switch between the QWERTY and DVORAK keyboards, at the CLI?
[08:29] <crimsun> n2diy_, setxkbmap
[08:29] <Bhaskar> poOf: i m graduate
[08:29] <po0f> Bhaskar: I meant with programming.
[08:30] <Bhaskar> poOf: medium level
[08:30] <n2diy_> crimsun: what if I'm not running X?
[08:30] <veronica> who uses floppies anymore? just curious......
[08:30] <lupine_85> Bhaskar: kate/vim/gvim with gcc
[08:30] <DarthLappy> veronica: People who need boot disks? :)
[08:30] <lupine_85> :)
[08:30] <po0f> Bhaskar: Install 'build-essential' and start hacking then.
[08:30] <crimsun> n2diy_, setupcon
[08:30] <lupine_85> kdevelop if you want your makefiles autogenerated
[08:30] <drivingmenuts> is there anyway to install nvidia drivers poof?
[08:31] <drivingmenuts> like not manual way?
[08:31] <Bhaskar> poOf: build essential is any software?
[08:31] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Like I said before, `sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx`.
[08:31] <lupine_85> drivingmenuts: how poof is poof?
[08:31] <lupine_85> it's like two commands
[08:31] <n2diy_> crimsun: interesting, will that run from X?
[08:31] <po0f> lupine_85: ?
[08:32] <crimsun> n2diy_, sure
[08:32] <lupine_85> oops
[08:32] <lupine_85> d'oh :D
[08:32] <drivingmenuts> hey poof
[08:32] <drivingmenuts> so it's done?
[08:32] <drivingmenuts> after typing that?
[08:32] <drivingmenuts> so it's done installing driver?
[08:33] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Did it tell you to run a command afterwards?
[08:33] <drivingmenuts> what commands?
[08:33] <drivingmenuts> what's the commands i have to run?
[08:33] <koyo001> i need to edit a file
[08:33] <drivingmenuts> would u please tell me?
[08:33] <computer13137> Hey
[08:33] <koyo001> i am a newbie
[08:33] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Did you read what it said after you typed that 1sudo ...` command in?
[08:33] <computer13137> How do I ask Ubuntu for version information?
[08:33] <computer13137> Like a command?
[08:34] <noiesmo> I'm trying to run Legends and I keep getting an error related to fonts but i have installed lots of fonts anyone had this problem
[08:34] <n2diy_> crimsun: setupcon, command not found, even for sudo.
[08:34] <crimsun> computer13137, version info for what?
[08:34] <drivingmenuts> yes
[08:34] <lupine_85> drivingmenuts: gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and edit the resulting file. There's a "section "Device"" with a Driver line that you need to change to use "nvidia"
[08:34] <po0f> computer13137: lsb_release -a
[08:34] <koyo001> i know how to edit it with the text editor
[08:34] <CarCase928> __lonewolf: it didn't work
[08:34] <computer13137> Thanks.
[08:34] <computer13137> bbl
[08:34] <crimsun> n2diy_, lsb_release -r
[08:34] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Did it not tell you to run `nvidia-xconfig` or something
[08:34] <po0f> ?
[08:35] <drivingmenuts> no
[08:35] <n2diy_> crimsun: ?
[08:35] <po0f> drivingmenuts: What does `grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf` output?
[08:35] <crimsun> n2diy_, which Ubuntu release are you using?
[08:35] <n2diy_> crimsun: 6.06
[08:35] <veronica> real quick what is the konsole command to reset the root password?
[08:36] <crimsun> n2diy_, setupcon is a binary in the console-setup package only in 6.10 (edgy) and newer
[08:36] <drivingmenuts> it out puts driver nv
[08:36] <lupine_85> veronica: sudo passwd
[08:36] <drivingmenuts> hey poof it out puts driver nv
[08:36] <n2diy_> crimsun: Roger that.
[08:36] <po0f> drivingmenuts: gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:36] <drivingmenuts> Driver nv
[08:36] <po0f> Change the "nv" to "nvidia".
[08:36] <crimsun> n2diy_, for older Ubuntu releases, you need to dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[08:36] <drivingmenuts> Driver "nv"
[08:36] <lupine_85>  drivingmenuts: then sudo sed -i "s/nv/nvidia/" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:36] <lupine_85> much faster :)
[08:36] <veronica> lupine_85: thanks.
[08:37] <po0f> lupine_85: If it was already nvidia, it would change it to nvidiaidia.  :)
[08:37] <n2diy_> crimsun: Roger that. Atcually I want to set up some kiosks, so this is getting off track.
[08:37] <lupine_85> po0f: but the grep showed that it wasn't :)
[08:38] <po0f> lupine_85: And should it be sed -i -e?
[08:38] <drivingmenuts> it still says nv
[08:38] <drivingmenuts> after what lupine told me
[08:38] <veronica> okay one more question. is there a way if using gnome and installing kde to prevent the kde apps from showing up in the gnome menu and visa versa?
[08:38] <bruenig> drivingmenuts, sudo sed -i 's/nv/nvidia/g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:39] <drivingmenuts> kk
[08:39] <drivingmenuts> now it says driver nvidia
[08:39] <drivingmenuts> now what do i do
[08:39] <bruenig> usually I would do sudo sed 'expression' -i file, but I guess you can put it before the expression
[08:40] <drivingmenuts> now is that done for nvidia?
[08:40] <deckard> anyone using vpnc
[08:40] <drivingmenuts> hey poof
[08:40] <drivingmenuts> now what do i do?
[08:40] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Ctrl-Alt-backspace to restart X.
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> kk
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> blackscreen
[08:41] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Give it a sec.
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> k
[08:41] <bruenig> drivingmenuts, what does your screen look like?
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> nvidia
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> comes out
[08:41] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Log in screen now?
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> yes
[08:41] <po0f> drivingmenuts: Your done.
[08:41] <drivingmenuts> oh thank you
[08:42] <po0f> You're*
[08:42] <bruenig> oh you're, I was trying to figure out what you were saying
[08:42] <drivingmenuts> thank you poof
[08:42] <po0f> bruenig: It's still a little early, I've only had one cup of coffee.  :)
[08:42] <drivingmenuts> now do i install beryl? xgl?
[08:43] <bruenig> tis 1:42 here
[08:43] <bruenig> !xgl
[08:43] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-xgl - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:43] <po0f> bruenig: 2:43A here.  ;)
[08:43] <CarCase928> how do i restart the x server?
[08:43] <bruenig> drivingmenuts, by the way, from what I understand beryl is better
[08:43] <bruenig> po0f, so I guess I win
[08:43] <veronica> what opengl version is required?
[08:43] <bruenig> CarCase928, ctrl alt backspace
[08:43] <drivingmenuts> how do i install beryl?
[08:43] <CarCase928> brueing: thanks
[08:44] <po0f> bruenig: If you call being more tired when it's time to go to work winning, then yes.
[08:44] <drivingmenuts> poof
[08:44] <bruenig> although ctrl alt backspace just makes my xubuntu freeze and so does logging out
[08:44] <drivingmenuts> how do i install beryl?
[08:44] <bruenig> work hah
[08:44] <bruenig> still on vacation
[08:44] <po0f> bruenig: Darn, I'm off today as well also.
[08:44] <po0f> bruenig: I was hoping to rub it in your face.  :)
[08:44] <n2diy_> drivingmenuts: apt-get install beryl
[08:45] <java_blues> does anybody know how to competly get rid of java?