[04:55] <satanasof> good bye
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> i have a logout problem with compiz f (also when running wow) . freezes screen & kb. mouse works
[04:56] <hacker128> Actually, it is community-supported.
[04:57] <BluesKaj> !compiz | Tomi-idle
[04:57] <ubotu> Tomi-idle: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:58] <Tomi-idle> using aiglx by preference
[04:58] <Expecto> so Xgl/KDM is screwed on my system.  had some probs with Xgl session not starting so I tried to reconfigure xorg.  Bad idea.  I didn't do it right so I used my back up.  Both on the poorly configured and backup xorg.conf's, on boot I don't get KDM, I get the little "wait" symbol and a black screen.  I'm running and ATI card w/ XGL and Compiz Fusion on Feisty, and the boot after compiz updated is when Xgl quit working and I ruined things.
[04:59] <mike> Expecto: Do you have that system up now?
[04:59] <hacker128> What did you get? If not kdm, then a console?
[05:00] <mike> hacker128: he's stuck at the bootsplash screen
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> the same hangup as me ... stuck screen&kb, but mouse works
[05:00] <Expecto> mike yes
[05:00] <BluesKaj> good ol' eye candy on ati ...sometimes it works sometimes not :(
[05:00] <Tomi-idle> dunno if its a problem with kdm or compiz f packages <.<
[05:00] <mike> Expecto: When it hangs at the bootsplash screen, do Ctrl+Alt+F1, login, and run this command: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[05:00] <Expecto> hacker128, i got the wait symbol and a black background
[05:00] <Expecto> mike did that
[05:01] <bauer> test bauer
[05:01] <mike> Expecto: can you pastebin the output of "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"?
[05:01] <Expecto> sure, hold on
[05:02] <cameron> hey, I'm unable to open the Adept package manager, it states that another process is using the system database
[05:02] <mike> err, i guess it'd be hard to paste it. heh
[05:02] <mike> Expecto: What error does it give when you run that?
[05:02] <cameron> I have closed out of everything,
[05:03] <hacker128> Ok. Apt-get Dist-Upgradem just finished. Do I restart now?
[05:03] <mike> cameron: Run command -> kdesu ksysguard -> password -> look for adept or apt in the process table and kill it
[05:03] <hacker128> chown (your_username) /var/dpkg/lock
[05:04] <Expecto> "Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not responding to TERM signal (pid 4865)."
[05:04] <Expecto> "Stopping K D
[05:04] <hacker128> run as root
[05:04] <Expecto> isplay Manger: kdm"
[05:05] <mike> Expecto: run "kill -9 4865"
[05:05] <Expecto> mike, did some funky stuff to get a very ugly desktop running on ctrl-alt-F9, so i could get on my network...so if I need it I can use it
[05:05] <Expecto> sudo?
[05:05] <cameron> -_-, It still states somethign is using the system packages
[05:05] <mike> Expecto: err, yeah. sorry
[05:05] <Expecto> no errors
[05:06] <mike> Expecto: now "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[05:07] <hacker128> CAMERON!
[05:07] <mike> cameron: not sure, sorry. i haven't used adept in months, and synaptic never gives me that problem.
[05:08] <Expecto> "Stopping K Display Manager: kdm"  got that twice then back to the wait symbol, but before that it hung on a flashing underscore as if it weren't going to do anything.  I had to ctrl-alt somewhere else and back to even get that
[05:08] <hacker128> Listen carefully.
[05:08] <hacker128> Are you listening?
[05:08] <mike> hacker128: you never said his name to begin with. no need to yell :-\
[05:08] <hacker128> soihguoht. ,mhrry. i have tryied PMing
[05:09] <hacker128> oops!
[05:09] <mike> lol
[05:09] <cameron> hey hacker128, I don't think I can talke back 2 u, (not registered...)
[05:09] <Expecto> mike, did you see that up there?
[05:10] <hacker128> oh. Cameron: run sudo chown (your_username) /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[05:10] <cameron> did, still can't access adept
[05:10] <BluesKaj> hacker128, just use the tab key after typing a few letters to finish his nick .
[05:10] <mike> Expecto: sorry, just now caught it... have you tried manually reconfiguring xserver-xorg ("sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg")?
[05:11] <Expecto> yes...that's how i messed things up
[05:11] <hacker128> cameron:  Did you get any errors
[05:11] <pag> !aptfix | cameron
[05:11] <ubotu> cameron: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:11] <Expecto> Mike:  I noticed in my xorg.conf that there are two "Device" sections, one with the ati driver, the other w/ the fglrx driver (what I'm supposed to be using)
[05:12] <Expecto> the first one is labeled as the name of my card and the other as aticonfig-[0]
[05:12] <mike> Expecto: Maybe try commenting out the section for the one using the ati driver
[05:12] <cameron> what I tried to do, is install firefox through adept, which worked, then I tried to install Java for it, and that failed during the install because I didn't agree with the terms / cond. and then I tried to install gaim, exited, then problems
[05:12] <hacker128> cameron: kdesu konqueror.
[05:12] <hacker128> Then...
[05:13] <manchicken> Noooooooo
[05:13] <hacker128> Go to /var/lib/dpkg
[05:13] <manchicken> Ack, wrong chanl
[05:13] <hacker128> delete the file named lock.
[05:13] <pag> hacker128, why not use the command ubotu suggests?
[05:13] <hacker128> Then make a new text file named lock.
[05:14] <Expecto> mike, i did that, but I have to restart something to make it work right?
[05:14] <hacker128> Because I know these work.
[05:14] <mike> Expecto: KDM
[05:14] <pag> hacker128, you think the other doesn't? :P
[05:14] <hacker128> No.
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> anyone know easiest way to install mplayer-plugin on amd64?
[05:15] <Tomi-idle> gutsy
[05:15] <hacker128> One way I know works is better then 1,000 that could hose my system.
[05:15] <Expecto> blinking thing, switch to here, back to there and i have the whole wait symbol/cursor thing again
[05:15] <mike> Tomi-idle: no idea, might check in #ubuntu+1
[05:15] <cameron> ubota: I get this at the very eend:
[05:15] <cameron> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:15] <cameron>  j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[05:16] <hacker128> see!
[05:16] <cameron> I think java exploded
[05:16] <hacker128> what do you know?
[05:16] <yaccin> i cant install pam_kwallet
[05:16] <hacker128> Try mine.
[05:16] <yaccin> are there packages somewhere?
[05:16] <yaccin> or instructions on how to install on kubuntu?
[05:16] <mike> Expecto: does kdm say "failed to manage screen on 0:0" or something like that?
[05:16] <pag> cameron, sudo dpkg -r j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin  then enable multiverse and install sun's java ;)
[05:16] <Expecto> no just the usual errors
[05:17] <cameron> enabe multiverse?
[05:17] <hacker128> cameron: Run my commands!
[05:17] <Tomi-idle> oh 32 bit firefox installed...
[05:17] <pag> !multiverse | cameron
[05:17] <cameron> I'll run whichevers ones works
[05:17] <ubotu> cameron: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:17] <hacker128> Well, mine do!
[05:19] <cameron> bash: !multiverse: event not found
[05:19] <pag> hacker128, yours fix the adept issue - cameron has problems on dpkg level. removing dpkg's lock-file won't be any good at this point
[05:19] <hacker128> Also, try cd /var/lib/dpkg
[05:19] <mike> Expecto: sorry, i'm not sure. i'm tempted to say that whatever the problem is, it's not with X, as i've never seen an X problem that wasn't fixed by "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg". either that or you somehow don't have the display drivers installed
[05:19] <cameron> DUN DUN DUN..........
[05:19] <hacker128> rm lock
[05:19] <pag> cameron, those starting with ! are jsut command to ubotu - please see what the bot told you
[05:20] <Expecto> mike, thanks anyway...i was thinking it wasn't X
[05:20] <Expecto> you confirmed it
[05:20] <hacker128> !multiverse | hacker128
[05:21] <mike> Expecto: Gonna reinstall?
[05:21] <sayers> Are there any programs to mount an ISO on amd64?
[05:21] <hacker128> So fixing dpkg, doesnt fix dpkg?
[05:21] <hacker128> That makes sense!
[05:21] <Expecto> mike...i'm hopin' not to
[05:21] <Expecto> I've been able to save myself one too many times to do that
[05:21] <pag> hacker128, fixing dpkg will fix dpkg ;) removing dpkg lock wont fix it
[05:22] <cameron> well, ubotu: fixed my problem
[05:22] <cameron> thanks!
[05:22] <hacker128> But making another dpkg lock with VIM will!'
[05:22] <pag> sayers, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Image_.28ISO.29_files_without_burning
[05:23] <Expecto> mike: the last time i reinstalled, I idiotically removed python.....needless to say I removed everything else and didn't think to ctrl-c before it was too late
[05:23] <pag> hacker128, true - so why do it manually when there's an automatic command for that? ;)
[05:23] <mr_dd> hello.
[05:23] <hacker128> It's FUN and EXCITING!
[05:24] <kmh> whats the name of the distribution which sounds like sarayan?
[05:24] <stdin> sayers: I have a GUI for you ;) http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/MountFile?content=61955
[05:24] <mr_dd> can someone help me using my lexmark x2310 printer?
[05:24] <pag> kmh, sabayon?
[05:24] <mike> Expecto: it's a long shot, but *maybe* "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm"?
[05:24] <sayers> stdin: I can't compile it in amd64... :(
[05:24] <stdin> sayers: you don't need to compile it
[05:25] <cameron> anyone know a command to install synaptic?
[05:25] <mike> cameron: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[05:25] <sayers> stdin: for 64 bit i think you do.
[05:25] <stdin> sayers: no you don't, I should know, I made it :p
[05:25] <mike> cameron: "sudo apt-get install synaptic gnome-app-install update-manager" for the full suite of Gnome package management apps
[05:26] <cameron> gnome-app-install update-manager" afterwords, (I'm already running the previous command)
[05:28] <sayers> stdin: where do I start it :)
[05:29] <pag> sayers, isn't it a service menu? restart konqueror and right click?
[05:29] <Expecto> mike i'm going for that
[05:29] <stdin> sayers: download and extract, then run the installGUI.sh script
[05:29] <sayers> stdin: I've done that.
[05:29] <stdin> sayers: oh, then there's a service menu, a link on the desktop (if you added it) and a entry in the kmenu
[05:30] <stdin> in Utilities
[05:30] <ryaren> how can i connect an USB DVD-RW?
[05:30] <cameron> majic
[05:30] <Expecto> ack....i'm gonna have to go for the reinstall option.  Reinstalling kdm didn't work.
[05:30] <cameron> mike: gnome-app-install bad usage
[05:31] <stdin> sayers: it should be in the "Actions" right-click menu for ISOs too. any questions/comments/demands just yell :p
[05:32] <ryaren> Could you tell me how can I mount an USB DVD-RW?
[05:32] <cameron> mike: I get the error gnome-app-install bad usage
[05:32] <Expecto> mike, is bad that my xorg has not mention of Xgl whatsoever
[05:32] <Expecto> is it bad...sorry
[05:33] <sayers> stdin: well done :)
[05:34] <stdin> sayers: thanks, made it a while ago, then posted it on kde-apps and bumped it 4 versions in 3 days :)
[05:34] <sayers> What language?
[05:34] <runlevelten> swiss
[05:34] <stdin> sayers: bash :P that's why it works for everyone
[05:35] <stdin> it's just a script that used mount and kdialog (a lot)
[05:35] <stdin> ryaren: plug it in and insert some disk?
[05:36] <ryaren> I can't eject the disc
[05:37] <stdin> can't you do it with the "eject" command?
[05:39] <sayers> stdin: purely a frontend ?/
[05:40] <stdin> sayers: yep, it's just a bash script. it could even be modified to use another mount system like fuseiso without much trouble :)
[05:41] <BluesKaj> Expecto, have you edited the xorg file ? ...the second devices part should be commented out or deleted in order to get back X
[05:41] <BluesKaj> it's interfering and shutting X down
[05:41] <BluesKaj> it happened to me
[05:42] <alesan> do you have an idea where can I find mkbootmsg?
[05:42] <stdin> what is "mkbootmsg" ?
[05:42] <alesan> a program
[05:43] <alesan> do you have an idea which package contains it?
[05:43] <stdin> !find mkbootmsg
[05:43] <ubotu> File mkbootmsg found in gfxboot
[05:43] <stdin> there you go ^
[05:43] <alesan> :)
[05:44] <stdin> alesan: if you don't want to use ubotu to find a file, you can also look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:44] <alesan> ok thanks
[05:45] <runlevelten> Ah, good point
[05:45] <runlevelten> !find alsaconf
[05:45] <ubotu> Package/file alsaconf does not exist in feisty
[05:45] <runlevelten> lovely
[05:45] <ziggy> Hello
[05:46] <stdin> runlevelten: could asoundconf be what you want?
[05:48] <hormesis> !ohmy | adi
[05:48] <ubotu> adi: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:48] <hormesis> !spam | *i
[05:48] <ubotu> *i: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[05:49] <hormesis> !spam | *
[05:49] <ubotu> *: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[05:49] <hormesis> !spam | akrus
[05:49] <ubotu> akrus: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam - and most importantly, use common sense :-)
[05:49] <pag> !botabuse | hormesis
[05:49] <ubotu> hormesis: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:49] <ziggy> Can anyone offer some help with connecting to a network share?
[05:49] <hormesis> !botabuse | pag
[05:49] <ubotu> pag: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:49] <pag> thanks DBO :)
[05:49] <runlevelten> stdin: thanks muchly :)
[05:50] <stdin> ziggy: what type of share?
[05:50] <ryaren> hi
[05:50] <ziggy> I am trying to share out a resource in Kubuntu, and connect to it from a Windows 2000 system
[05:50] <ryaren> so how can i use my usb DVD-RW device?
[05:50] <pag> !samba | ziggy
[05:50] <ubotu> ziggy: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:51] <ziggy> Also new to Linux, so trying to make the transition over.
[05:51] <ryaren> it wasn't mount automatically
[05:51] <cameron> HiLo ppl, how do I allow Kubuntu to view my Windows NTFS paritions?
[05:51] <ziggy> I have Samba installed, but when I try to connect I get access denied, even when I give my user name and password
[05:51] <stdin> !ntfs | cameron
[05:51] <ubotu> cameron: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[05:51] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | cameron
[05:51] <ubotu> cameron: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:52] <stdin> ziggy: use the command "smbpasswd" to add a samba password to your user
[05:52] <ziggy> Is that done from the Konsole?
[05:53] <stdin> yeah
[05:53] <genii> ziggy: After you add them enable the name
[05:53] <genii> eg: smbpasswd -a <somename> ; smbpasswd -e <samename>
[05:57] <ziggy> geni, working on it, but it seems to fail
[06:02] <BluesKaj> !asoundrc
[06:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asoundrc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:03] <balint> hiho, what is the best MTA?
[06:04] <pag> balint, MTA?
[06:04] <savetheWorld> Mail Transport Agent
[06:04] <llutz> !best
[06:04] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[06:04] <runlevelten> !best
[06:04] <runlevelten> Exim is good though.
[06:04] <runlevelten> :)
[06:05] <llutz> postfix ist nice
[06:05] <savetheWorld> The two most popular MTA's are #1 - Sendmail, #2 Postfix
[06:05] <savetheWorld> in that order
[06:05] <savetheWorld> sendmail can bea pin to configure
[06:05] <savetheWorld> *be a pain
[06:05] <balint> ops ;)
[06:05] <llutz> savetheWorld: popularity vs quality... win is popular too
[06:05] <savetheWorld> win is not n MTA
[06:05] <balint> then should i choose postfix?
[06:05] <runlevelten> popularity != quality.
[06:06] <balint> i need a good but easy configurable MTA ;)
[06:06] <llutz> runlevelten: that's what i mean
[06:06] <runlevelten> windows > linux. cockroaches > people.
[06:06] <savetheWorld> heh
[06:07] <savetheWorld> Sendmail was rewritten.  dont confuse the old rep with the new software.
[06:14] <balint> what is M! program?
[06:14] <balint> what is M4 program?
[06:14] <stdin> !info m4
[06:14] <ubotu> m4: a macro processing language. In component main, is optional. Version 1.4.8-1build1 (feisty), package size 172 kB, installed size 472 kB
[06:14] <balint> balint@balint-desktop:/opt/sendmail-8.14.1/sendmail$ sudo ./Build
[06:14] <balint> Configuration: pfx=, os=Linux, rel=2.6.20-16-generic, rbase=2, rroot=2.6, arch=i686, sfx=, variant=optimized
[06:14] <balint> ERROR: Can not locate an M4 program
[06:15] <balint> sudo apt-get install m4, i guess ;)
[06:15] <stdin> yep
[06:16] <stdin> balint: or just "sudo apt-get install sendmail"
[06:18] <balint> can i install postfix over apt-get ?
[06:18] <balint> or should i compile it?
[06:18] <stdin> !compile
[06:18] <balint> (from source i mean)
[06:19] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:19] <stdin> "But remember to search for pre-built !packages first"
[06:19] <pag> !info postfix | balint
[06:19] <ubotu> balint: postfix: A high-performance mail transport agent. In component main, is optional. Version 2.3.8-2 (feisty), package size 1065 kB, installed size 2484 kB
[06:19] <stdin> packages are much easier
[06:19] <stdin> that's why we make them
[06:21] <balint> okay, i installed them through package, where can i find more repos than defaults?
[06:21] <pag> !repos | balint
[06:21] <ubotu> balint: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:22] <pag> !easysources | balint
[06:22] <ubotu> balint: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[06:23] <balint> ty
[06:24] <ryaren> so how can i use my usb DVD-RW device?
[06:24] <ryaren> it wasn't mount automatically
[06:25] <BluesKaj> ryaren, look in sytem menu/storage media
[06:27] <balint> how can i use "sendmail" ?
[06:27] <balint> i didn't get from man
[06:27] <balint> can somebody post me an example?
[06:27] <requiem666> lut
[06:29] <ryaren> BluesKaj: I don't have any storage media... Maybe I have to mount manually but i dont know how
[06:29] <trivial> sendmail is not designed for commandline use
[06:30] <janet> morning
[06:30] <pag> hello janet :)
[06:31] <janet> my grub screen looks crappy and i want to use lilo, how do i change it to default to lilo instead of grub?
[06:31] <BluesKaj> ryaren, it should be in the panel near the kicker, icon like pc
[06:31] <BluesKaj> looks like a pc
[06:31] <trivial> what means look crappy ?
[06:31] <genii> I like mailutils   since then you can do like:      mail -s "subject" someone@somewhere         type the email then hit . to exit
[06:31] <janet> looks very verbose and texty
[06:31] <trivial> use a splash screen for grub
[06:31] <janet> and lilo looks cool and you can edit it
[06:31] <janet> without editing a script
[06:31] <trivial> lilo dont looks better
[06:32] <stdin> grub is cool and you can edit it
[06:32] <stdin> !lilo
[06:32] <ubotu> lilo is an alternative [Li] nux Boot[Lo] ader. Note: it is recommended that you use GRUB on Ubuntu instead.
[06:32] <trivial> search at google for grub splashimage
[06:32] <janet> i'm kind of new so i need a gui grub editor
[06:32] <ryaren> BluesKaj I know how it would be look like because when I used my pen-drive it was there but now there is nothing
[06:32] <janet> tried to get grubed working
[06:33] <stdin> janet: try the kubuntu-grub-splashimages or grub-splashimages package(s)
[06:33] <janet> okay will do
[06:33] <stdin> janet: a GUI for grub is on the way, but not here (yet)
[06:34] <BluesKaj> ryaren, try lsusb in the terminal
[06:35] <janet> i had the first one but needed to apt-get the kubuntu-splash one
[06:35] <janet> thx
[06:35] <ryaren> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32056/plain/
[06:36] <janet> how do you access the splash to edit? systemsettings?
[06:36] <BluesKaj> ryaren, is that it, Myson Century, Inc. Fast 3.5" External Storage ?
[06:37] <ryms> hi
[06:38] <ryaren> BluesKaj: I think yes
[06:38] <janet> im having a hard time finding where to edit grub splash now?
[06:38] <phoenixz> When I use the sudo command I get this: "sudo: cannot get working directory" any idea on how to fix this?
[06:38] <stdin> janet: you should see "splashimage=" at the top of /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:39] <balint> i would like to install Mailman over apt-get. But it says i need apache2. I've already installed apache2 with xampp. How can I install Mailman without automatic apache installation?
[06:39] <janet> what do you put after the =?
[06:40] <stdin> the path to the splash image, like "(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz" (you need the (hd0,1) to specify the partition)
[06:40] <BluesKaj> stdin,  ryaren's usb dvdrive shows up in lsusb as : Myson Century, Inc. Fast 3.5" External Storage...how to make it work ?
[06:41] <stdin> check dmesg to see if it as assigned a device node
[06:41] <janet> i installed kubuntu-splash but im not sure where it put it
[06:42] <BluesKaj> ryaren, did you get that? ... dmesg in the terminal
[06:42] <pag> janet, it puts them in /bood/grub/splashimages/ by default
[06:42] <stdin> janet: the kubuntu splash is /boot/grub/splashimages/KUBUNTU_splashscreen_blue_neon_logo_03.xpm.gz, so if you boot off the 1st partition, you add (hd0,0) to the beginning
[06:43] <ryaren> BluesKaj Yes I'm here :)
[06:43] <janet> mostly what i'm trying to do is edit the colour of the text and the wording on the opening grub screen
[06:43] <janet> that gives me the boot choices
[06:45] <phoenixz> Anybody an idea about the sudo error "sudo: cannot get working directory"
[06:45] <stdin> phoenixz: check the directory you're in exists? try changing to another one
[06:46] <phoenixz> stdin, right.... :)
[06:47] <ryaren> BluesKaj : here is the dmesg http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/32059/plain/
[06:48] <stdin> ryaren: seems you inserted a blank disk?
[06:49] <ryaren> no It is full
[06:49] <stdin> or the disk is damaged
[06:49] <stdin> "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 8" <- not good
[06:49] <ryaren> I don't think so because the IDE DVD-rw can read
[06:50] <balint> checking whether the C compiler (gcc  ) works... no
[06:50] <balint> configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables.
[06:50] <balint> what can be the problem?
[06:50] <stdin> balint: you don't have gcc installed?
[06:50] <balint> sudo apt-get install gcc --> latest version
[06:50] <stdin> !b-e
[06:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:51] <hacker128> !gcc | balint
[06:51] <ubotu> balint: please see above
[06:51] <stdin> ryaren: when you plugged the device in did it have the disk in it?
[06:51] <ryaren> stdin: No it hasn't
[06:51] <stdin> hmm
[06:52] <hacker128> !kde | hacker128
[06:52] <[ifr0g] > Where could i find software update longs on the internet ?
[06:52] <genii> stdin: b-e is sure shorter than compile
[06:53] <stdin> genii: what i use depends on my mood :p
[06:53] <janet> im setup for Kdm and now i cant run certain gnome programs should i be on gdm? or can i switch it to gdm without screwing up kde programs?
[06:53] <janet> im in kde btw
[06:53] <janet> gnome progrms like startupmanager
[06:54] <stdin> [ifr0g] : "update longs" ??
[06:54] <genii> I imagine it's supposed to be logs
[06:54] <janet> is there a place to switch from kdm to gdm?
[06:55] <stdin> janet: gnome apps will run in kde
[06:55] <janet> startup manager wont , but will when i flip to gnome
[06:56] <stdin> what does startupmanager do in gnome?
[06:56] <pag> janet, startupmanager = manages the programms that start on login?
[06:56] <janet> maybe its just that one program
[06:56] <stdin> look in system settings
[06:56] <janet> it lets you edit the grub menu and choose the background colour and fonts tec for that boot screen
[06:57] <janet> i had changed it in gnome , and when i whent to kde i couldnt open it
[06:57] <janet> to change the font colour back
[06:57] <drif_> what's best way to watch dvb on (k)ubuntu?
[06:57] <hacker128> dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
[06:58] <drif> tried kaffeine, it found the channels but now it's complaining about how it can't handle the resource
[06:58] <graft> anyone know how i can get rid of red and green shadows on fonts in Firefox?
[06:58] <janet> when installing ubuntu and using kde would you go gdm or kdm?
[06:58] <graft> janet: kdm
[06:58] <graft> it's much better overall than gdm, i think
[06:58] <janet> so can i change it now?
[06:58] <tomi> sudo apt-get install kdm
[06:58] <[ifr0g] > stdin, update logs.. meaning like an rss feed on software chaangelogs ..
[06:59] <tomi> or through adept
[06:59] <pag> graft, try disabling sub-pixel rendering
[06:59] <janet> how can u tell if your on kdm or gdm , cause now i confused myself
[06:59] <janet> lol
[06:59] <hacker128> login screen
[06:59] <stdin> [ifr0g] : adept will show them, or "aptitude changelog package"
[07:00] <hacker128> says kubuntu if kdm
[07:00] <janet> hacker which login screen?
[07:00] <janet> ah okay
[07:00] <janet> im on kdm then
[07:00] <graft> pag: disabling it? hmm, ok, hode on
[07:00] <janet> thats why that gdm gnome program had trouble
[07:01] <hero> heh, i can't get kdm to work - only gdm
[07:01] <hero> unless kdm looks like xdm
[07:01] <pag> graft, in kcontrols font-settings... I don't know if it affects gnome apps though.
[07:01] <janet> what i was trying to do is edit the list offeded by grub at boot... essentially i have a duel boot and want to nbame one windows and one linux
[07:01] <graft> pag: yeh... trying it, just a sec
[07:02] <janet> instead of linux-kernal-ubuntu etc
[07:03] <pag> graft, sorry, but I've got to go now. if it doesn't work, I'm sure someone else can help you.
[07:03] <BluesKaj> !libdvdcss2 | drif
[07:03] <ubotu> drif: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:03] <[ifr0g] > stdin, aptitude changelog package ?
[07:03] <stdin> [ifr0g] : like "aptitude changelog linux-generic"
[07:03] <trakinas> can anyone tell me if i tell to kprinter print pages from 9-3 (for example) it will print in this said order?
[07:05] <[ifr0g] > stdin, interesting.. thanks !
[07:07] <drif> BluesKaj: you mean also with DVB?
[07:08] <balint> how can i remove users?
[07:08] <stdin> balint: system settings -> User Management
[07:09] <balint> from console? :)
[07:09] <shawn> hey
[07:09] <balint> i like the console-way
[07:09] <stdin> no, from the kemnu
[07:09] <shinobi> anyone got suggestions on a samba question?: getting a 'Failed to modify password entry for user'
[07:09] <trakinas> no one?
[07:10] <stdin> balint: deluser
[07:10] <theking2k> lol
[07:10] <balint> ty
[07:10] <genii> balint: for console use the deluser command. Make sure you don't delete root or the only regular user who has sudo rights
[07:10] <XcercaX> hey
[07:11] <genii> shinobi: Do your samba users have same system usernames?
[07:12] <shinobi> genii: no, i was not sure that was necessary
[07:12] <shinobi> just a full unix user?
[07:12] <shinobi> sort of "addusr -..."
[07:13] <trakinas> it does not. =P
[07:13] <genii> shinobi: Well, there are basically two ways. simplest is that samba users all have their own names and passwords nothing to do with system names. Or you can have set in the samba config to synchronise passwords and users between samba and the system so a samba user also has a regular unix account on the machine
[07:13] <genii> shinobi: The first way is more common and actually preferable
[07:14] <genii> shinobi: For samba, just use:    smbpasswd -a <name>           -a is add
[07:15] <genii> shinobi: Then    smbpasswd -e <name>           -e is enable
[07:15] <shinobi> genii: with you, but the output of smbpasswd -a is "Failed to modify password entry for user"
[07:15] <shinobi> but i thought i could do that without a full unix user
[07:15] <shinobi> semms like the file is syncing
[07:16] <shinobi> looks like my smbusers file is described but not present on my machine
[07:17] <genii> shinobi: If you are syncing passwds for samba/system you need to remember for restricted accounts on system you need sudo for smbpasswd otherwise not proper rights to change the system password, onlt the samba one
[07:17] <shinobi> yeah i wonder if that' the error, but i'm running the command sudo
[07:18] <cameron> hey, I just downloaded the ati drivers from ati, and I navigated to the desktop in the konsole, how do i go ahead and install the drivers?
[07:19] <stdin> cameron: you don't, you install the package from ubuntu
[07:19] <stdin> !ati | cameron
[07:19] <ubotu> cameron: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:19] <cameron> oh, but aren't the latest drivers only from the website
[07:19] <cameron> ?
[07:19] <genii> shinobi: Weird, should have made some template one before
[07:20] <genii> (smbusers  file)
[07:20] <shinobi> genii, yeah, i have 1 account enabled fine
[07:20] <stdin> cameron: do you want to have to login to the terminal without GUI and recompile the driver every time the kernel gets updated?
[07:21] <shinobi> genii, but somehow all sudo smbpasswd -a commands give "Failed to modify password entry for user"
[07:21] <cameron> not at all
[07:21] <wimpies> How can I define a group of mail users as a kontact ?
[07:21] <stdin> cameron: then you need to use the packaged version
[07:21] <cameron> I don't even know how to re-compile XD
[07:21] <cameron> kk
[07:22] <genii> shinobi: Looking into this now
[07:23] <shinobi> genii: thanks, i did try for the last two hours to fins a solution, i'm usually pretty successful with samba, this one is just out of my grasp
[07:23] <genii> shinobi: Does the file /etc/samba/smbusers  even exist?
[07:23] <shinobi> genii no
[07:24] <shinobi> genii but as i said, i have working user already
[07:24] <genii> shinobi: I would then do:  sudo touch /etc/samba/smbusers     then sudo chmod 755 /etc/samba/smbusers
[07:24] <shinobi> genii, but what about the current working users?
[07:25] <stdin> why have it executable ?
[07:25] <karl_> Hi everyone
[07:26] <karl_> Can someone tell me how to connect to another server, or find a list of servers ?
[07:26] <genii> shinobi: Does the 1 working user also have a name on the system, i suspect it does and thats why it works. Because the smbpasswd falls thru to the system since no smbusers file
[07:27] <genii> stdin Yes, this is true. Perms could be 700 or so
[07:27] <stdin> genii: that's still set as executable for root
[07:27] <cameron> how do I access the restricted drivers in Kubuntu?
[07:27] <shinobi> genii yes you are right. does this mean the smbpasswd file is only necessary for when the unix user does not exist
[07:28] <stdin> cameron: follow the Edgy intructions
[07:28] <cameron> yay -_-, kk
[07:28] <shinobi> genii in which case i will create user for this
[07:29] <genii> shinobi: That is the thing, yes. for non unix names you need a smbusers file
[07:31] <shinobi> genii hmm. i see why i was confused now, it was  a little counter intuitive approach
[07:31] <shinobi> genii thank you very much for your clever input
[07:31] <genii> shinobi: As stdin pointed out about permissions. So something like 766 or 744 should be OK
[07:32] <genii> stid sorry no 7XX anything LOL
[07:32] <stdin> 666/644, no need for the file to be executable
[07:32] <genii> stdin^
[07:33] <stdin> only took 3 times for it to sink in genii, you must have one hell of a headache :p
[07:33] <shinobi> stdin genii: no worries on the security thing, i'll secure that anyway...
[07:33] <genii> stdin: In fact, yes. Stupid allergies and too much coffee today
[07:34] <stdin> yeah, i saw the -ot message :)
[07:34] <shinobi> it was just the smb approach i hadn't tested freestanding samba passwords before
[07:37] <Silent_G> yo, how can i connect com1 ?
[07:37] <stdin> yo, there's no such thing as "com1" in linuz
[07:37] <Silent_G> man
[07:37] <Silent_G> im saying about the port
[07:37] <Silent_G> in the tower
[07:38] <Silent_G> com1
[07:38] <Silent_G> where satelite recievers go in
[07:38] <Silent_G> but its not reading it when i connect it :S
[07:38] <stdin> it's probably one of /dev/ttyS*
[07:39] <Silent_G> isn't it suppose to read it automatic?
[07:41] <stdin> Silent_G: look here www.ictp.trieste.it/~radionet/nuc1996/ref/howto-html/serial-howto-3.html
[07:41] <Silent_G> ok
[07:42] <WaxyFresh> hi ive been useing ubuntu and just installed the kubuntu desktop,ubuntus stoped working and im having problems with codecs java and flash
[07:42] <WaxyFresh> oh yea im useing amd64^^
[07:42] <graft> yello - i have red and green shadows on my fonts in firefox... pag told me i oughta disable sub-pixel rendering, but it doesn't seem to be enabled (or even selectable) here
[07:42] <graft> any other hints?
[07:43] <graft> WaxyFresh: what do you mean, stopped working?
[07:44] <WaxyFresh> lol should of been more specific
[07:44] <mm_202> Any way to control the screensaver / monitor  PM thru the command line?
[07:45] <WaxyFresh> when i log into GDM it kicks me back to the login screen right after the gnome desktop apears.i dont care about this,gdm gives me rashes,i just dont understand why java/flash/codecs stoped working
[07:45] <stdin> mm_202: you can lock the screen with dcop, "dcop kdesktop KScreensaverIface lock"
[07:45] <hero> gdm gives you rashes?
[07:46] <mm_202> stdin:  but how would I turn off the monitor?
[07:47] <WaxyFresh> lol i got it nevermind,when i installed kubuntu it installed 64bit firefox when everything set up for 32swiftfox
[07:47] <stdin> mm_202: not sure
[07:48] <mm_202> k, thanks, that at least gives me a place to start looking.
[07:48] <WaxyFresh> graft: any idea about gdm not working?or should i go to #ubtuntu?
[07:49] <graft> WaxyFresh: erm, sounds like gnome is making X crash
[07:49] <ccclll> hello, i have a weird problem.  If I remove my $HOME content, fonts become _huge_ and everything takes much longer (font rendering?)
[07:50] <graft> WaxyFresh: read your X error logs
[07:50] <WaxyFresh> graft: what section of the newspaper is that in?
[07:50] <graft> ccclll: what do you mean, remove your $HOME content?
[07:50] <graft> WaxyFresh: err, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, usually
[07:51] <WaxyFresh> graft: thanks
[07:51] <ccclll> I have a user who has the problem, and i don't, when I mv * .??* temporarly to /tmp/backup I have the same problem
[07:51] <WaxyFresh> graft: does it apend to the log or does each restart replace the old log?\
[07:51] <ccclll> so it's somewhere in the default settings
[07:51] <graft> ccclll: yeah, that's usually a bad idea. your home directory contains all sorts of configuration files
[07:51] <graft> WaxyFresh: replaces, usually
[07:52] <graft> WaxyFresh: it might back it up in Xorg.0.log.old
[07:52] <ccclll> the other user never moved the home content, I just wanted to find out if he messed it up by himself
[07:52] <Silent_G> stdin, what i want to connect is a DreamBox Satelite Reciever
[07:52] <WaxyFresh> thanks
[07:52] <Silent_G> that site talks about modems :S
[07:52] <ubuntu__> hi how can i sort my bcm4318 problem ?
[07:53] <graft> ccclll: well, that's why your fonts are getting all "huge" - because you moved all your configuration information out of your home directory, and it's reverting to system defaults
[07:53] <ccclll> but how is a new user supposed to get a working desktop?
[07:53] <ccclll> aren
[07:54] <ccclll> aren't the system defaults used in this case?
[07:54] <ccclll> i will create another user and see if his kde will be messed up as well
[07:54] <ccclll> brb
[07:55] <zimmo> does anybody know how can I block ssh connections with a single command?
[07:55] <zimmo> I mean to not allow connections
[07:55] <ubuntu__> thanks
[07:56] <stdin> zimmo: sudo apt-get remove openssh-server ?
[07:56] <Silent_G> please, have sombody ever connected a satelite reciever on ubuntu? with the COM1 Port
[07:56] <Silent_G> :s
[07:56] <ccclll> graft: the same for a newly created user
[07:56] <stdin> zimmo: or just stop the server "sudo /etc/init.d/ssh stop"
[07:56] <zimmo> stdin: thats right
[07:56] <zimmo> okay, thanks
[07:56] <zimmo> moment
[07:56] <CensorBard> Query: Does Ubuntu require that the swap partition be separate from the installation partition, or can it be the same as the installation partition?
[07:57] <ccclll> i changed the graphics card from a nvidia to an integrated intel
[07:57] <ccclll> might have something to do with that
[07:57] <zimmo> bash: /etc/init.d/ssh: No such file or directory
[07:57] <zimmo> am i safe?
[07:57] <vzduch> CensorBard: swap is a different filesystem, so it can by definition not be the same partition
[07:57] <stdin> CensorBard: the clue "swap partition", so it can't be the same partition, you can have a swap file tho
[07:58] <stdin> zimmo: if you don't have the ssh server installed then no one can connect :p
[07:58] <zimmo> stdin: is the swap partition used by standard?
[07:58] <stdin> yep
[07:58] <ccclll> zimmo: to be sure make a netstat -l    inside a konsole window
[07:58] <CensorBard> Additional query: Will Kubuntu work from a swap file if no swap partition is specified?
[07:58] <ccclll> and verify that there is no process listening on port 22
[07:59] <zimmo> yes...
[07:59] <zimmo> i am reading know the dangerous doors
[07:59] <zimmo> or ports whatever
[07:59] <stdin> CensorBard: you can have a swap file if you want, you just need to specify it in /etc/fstab
[07:59] <zimmo> oh okj
[07:59] <zimmo> port 22, thanks
[07:59] <stdin> zimmo: there are NO ports open by default
[08:00] <stdin> !away | cloakable
[08:00] <ubotu> cloakable: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[08:00] <zimmo> on my system there are many
[08:00] <zimmo> i saw
[08:00] <zimmo> 62875
[08:01] <zimmo> 2207
[08:01] <zimmo> 2208 ipp and ww
[08:01] <stdin> zimmo: that's the browser and your irc client etc
[08:01] <zimmo> good
[08:01] <stdin> zimmo: there are no services started by defailt
[08:01] <zimmo> ah i see
[08:01] <zimmo> sorry
[08:01] <genii> CensorBard: It won't uatodetect and then use partitions which have been marked as swap areas if thats what you are wondering
[08:02] <CensorBard> Genii: I am beginning to realize this the hard way.
[08:02] <genii> *autodetect* rather
[08:02] <stepmanic> need some help here ppl.. i installed beryl on my hp ze2000 , but when i try to login with xgl, and then the gray background with the "x" mose cursor show for 3sec, then everything goes black and nothing will respond:s
[08:03] <zimmo> stdin it would be interesting to make a code that get these open ports, and check if any of them are dangerous
[08:03] <stdin> zimmo: depends what you mean by dangerous
[08:03] <zimmo> trojan ports etc
[08:04] <zimmo> but the hacker can change it anyway dont him?
[08:04] <stdin> zimmo: trojan? you're thinking windows
[08:04] <stdin> !virus | zimmo
[08:04] <ubotu> zimmo: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[08:04] <zimmo> there are no trojan in Linux?!
[08:04] <zimmo> ah
[08:04] <zimmo> i thought virus and trojans were different subjects
[08:05] <zimmo> so it is interesting
[08:05] <zimmo> i read this article yerstday
[08:05] <BluesKaj> zimmo, other apps can't write to your disk without your permission
[08:05] <ryanakca> zimmo: yes, trojans and viruses are two different things.
[08:06] <stdin> zimmo: linux is not windows, we are more secure. the only way a "trojan" could be installed is if you did something like "sudo ./install-this-trojan.sh"
[08:08] <zimmo> hehe
[08:08] <zimmo> i would not doubt it from me stdin!!!
[08:09] <zimmo> but you know, a linux expert is smarter than a windows expert i guess
[08:09] <zimmo> in terms of hacking
[08:09] <zimmo> then it is not ALL THAT secure i guess
[08:09] <underdog5004> absolutely
[08:09] <stdin> heh "windows expert"? what's that
[08:09] <zimmo> some windows network manager
[08:09] <zimmo> and a linux network manger
[08:09] <BluesKaj> here we go with hacking thing again...:(
[08:09] <zimmo> no no, i dont like it
[08:09] <stdin> btw, hacking != cracking
[08:10] <BluesKaj> pointless exercise
[08:10] <vzduch> that's the people who don't know what 'hacking' is in the first place
[08:10] <zimmo> sorry if i use the wrong word
[08:10] <underdog5004> the media screws it up all the time...probably don't want to offend the trailer-trash of America...
[08:10] <underdog5004> ermm, *white* trailer trash of America
[08:11] <zimmo> i think there are a lot of BAD linux users too
[08:11] <zimmo> they are human beigs
[08:11] <BluesKaj> or "foxdumbdown" news
[08:11] <underdog5004> BluesKaj, you see that story about "Anonymous" on CNN?
[08:11] <zimmo> hehe
[08:12] <genii> hackers= ppl who like to know how things work, explore, not malicious   cracker=malicious, mostly uninventive usage of premade probing tools etc
[08:12] <BluesKaj> nope underdog5004
[08:12] <underdog5004> lemme grab the link
[08:12] <zimmo> so i dont aprove cracking
[08:12] <zimmo> becuase the computer is my property.. you can enter on it without my permission
[08:12] <CensorBard> BluesKaj: Apparantly "Fox News" thinks that the "Anonymous" popularized by 4chan is a violent, hacking terrorist group.
[08:12] <vzduch> genii: to hack = (originally) write a program
[08:12] <zimmo> i see
[08:13] <zimmo> cracking is a kind of thief stuff
[08:13] <zimmo> like someone trying to shut down your house's door and steal all
[08:13] <mrksbrd> please forgive me i'm new to linux, and need to get some hardware installed and i'm having difficulty with this whole make, compile, install shit...I have read things out there on how to do it but it is still greek to me since I am coming from a windows environment and really have no clue with linux
[08:13] <genii> zimmo Mainly it's that cracking is about being malicious
[08:13] <BluesKaj> the situation room ...what a pretentious title for a news show
[08:13] <zimmo> okay
[08:13] <DBO> mrksbrd, what are you trying to install?
[08:13] <jhutchins> The distinction between "hacker" and "cracker" is one that's only made by people who already know more about the subject than the people they are trying to reach.  It's essentially an artificial distinction.  To the general windows user, anybody who can fix a PC is a hacker - and probably dangerous.
[08:14] <vzduch> mrksbrd: what exotic hardware do you have that you need to build a program for?
[08:14] <zimmo> a terrorist arabic hacker have shut down my XP yesterday
[08:14] <mrksbrd> 2 things....verizon aircard & my built in wifi card
[08:14] <genii> vzduch: Interesting :) Tho I figured there were hackers before then, they just did stuff like hacked electronics or so on
[08:14] <zimmo> ops
[08:14] <zimmo> cracker!
[08:14] <jhutchins> Let's get back on topic and help this guy.
[08:14] <zimmo> a terrorist cracker i meant
[08:14] <mrksbrd> i found the drivers needed, but this whole process that you have to go thru is confusing me
[08:15] <vzduch> genii: imho it's pretty descriptive a term.. ppl who don't know how to write w/ 10 fingers usually 'hack' the code into their keyboard w/ 1 or 2 fingers :>
[08:15] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: What have you done so far?
[08:15] <vzduch> s/write/type/
[08:15] <stdin> !offtopic | the whole channel
[08:15] <ubotu> the whole channel: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:15] <BluesKaj> CensorBard, 4chan ?...not familiar
[08:15] <underdog5004> BluesKaj, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY
[08:15] <genii> LOL OK ontopic then
[08:15] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: There is a guide at  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware
[08:16] <sonhadorpr> How do I install FireFox <IP_ADDRESS> in KDE?  It should do the automatic updates on the repositories, but It didnt do it.
[08:16] <mrksbrd> yea i've ben there, but i guess my problem is not understanding the process
[08:17] <underdog5004> sonhadorpr, <IP_ADDRESS> isn't out yet.
[08:17] <underdog5004> <IP_ADDRESS> just came out
[08:17] <vzduch> underdog5004: it is.. for Windows
[08:17] <sonhadorpr> yes it is....I just DLd it
[08:17] <mrksbrd> i know once i ido it 1 time....thats all it will take
[08:17] <underdog5004> he he...whoops
[08:17] <sonhadorpr> the web site gave me the 2006 for linux
[08:17] <underdog5004> my bad
[08:17] <CensorBard> BluesKaj: English-language derivative of the Japanese 2ch. The Japanese variant is an image board spanning a broad range of topics. The English variant gives us such wonderful things like, "TITS OR GTFO" or, "/b/tards", etc, etc.
[08:17] <vzduch> maybe the <IP_ADDRESS> is already out for Linux as well.. but not yet packaged, I guess
[08:17] <sonhadorpr> well...I could be mistaken...anybody care to look at mozilla.com and let me know?
[08:18] <stdin> sonhadorpr: you'd have to manually install it, check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion for tips (tho it's not for that version)
[08:18] <CensorBard> Now let's hope that update-grub works this bloody time around.
[08:18] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Other than the guide, there's not much we can do to help unless you ask a specific question or tell us specifically what is happening (not what isn't).
[08:19] <mrksbrd> i will read the article(s) again, but i guess my biggest problem is not knowing commands
[08:20] <underdog5004> mrksbrd, ./configure
[08:20] <underdog5004> make
[08:20] <underdog5004> sudo make install
[08:20] <CensorBard> Huzzah! Now to install that XP partition.
[08:21] <mrksbrd> i appreciate your help <jutchins>
[08:21] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[08:21] <CensorBard> underdog5004: You still going to pull up that link? The rest of the world should probably hear about it, and all do a collective banging of the head against their keyboards.
[08:21] <CensorBard> Thanks for your help, everyone.
[08:21] <mrksbrd> sudo is like admin rights correct?
[08:21] <underdog5004> CensorBard, uh...which link?
[08:21] <nicolai_> mrksbrd: when copying commands to the Konsole, use shift + insert to paste.
[08:22] <jhutchins> underdog5004: The other things are un-taring to a sensible location and setting up the kernel headers.
[08:22] <nicolai_> mrksbrd: yes
[08:22] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Yes.  Never use it to run a GUI app though.
[08:22] <CensorBard> underdog5004: Fox News and "Anonymous".
[08:22] <jhutchins> !kdesu | mrksbrd
[08:22] <ubotu> mrksbrd: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[08:22] <underdog5004> CensorBard, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY
[08:23] <underdog5004> jhutchins, sudo tar -xf /path/to/file.tar /path/to/sensible/location, right?
[08:23] <jhutchins> underdog5004: Not sure that works, I've not been able to specify a target.  You're supposed to be able to use -C, but I haven't figured the syntax yet.
[08:24] <genii> for tar?
[08:24] <underdog5004> jhutchins, have the man pages helped at all?
[08:24] <jhutchins> underdog5004: Usually it's cd /path/to/sensible/location (~/location) then tar xzvf - and not sudo.
[08:24] <mrksbrd> hutch, that is another thing what is the purpose of the kernel header, does everything have to point to this when trying to untar something?
[08:24] <underdog5004> jhutchins, if I'm building something, I'll move the source to /usr/local/src
[08:24] <genii> it's like:  tar -xvzf sometarfile.tar.gz -C /some/dir/you/want/utarred/to
[08:24] <underdog5004> that requires sudo
[08:25] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: No, it's so that the various components and options of the installed kernel can be incorporated or linked to by the module.
[08:25] <underdog5004> lol
[08:25] <jhutchins> underdog5004: But you're not supposed to build with root privilages.
[08:26] <mrksbrd> i want to give this OS a chance, and when I can't figure something out I get frustratd & give up!!!
[08:26] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: The difficult thing about linux is that there is so much to learn at the very beginning.  It's called a steep learning curve.
[08:26] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Once you learn it though, you'll really enjoy how much control you have over your system.
[08:26] <mrksbrd> yea u ain't kiddin
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> looking back some of the things that looked terribly weird and hard now are simple as pie to do in linux
[08:27] <mrksbrd> especially coming from windows, everything is just point & click
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> that's what kde & gnome try to be.. point & click
[08:27] <mrksbrd> that's what i'm gong to have to ween myself fro
[08:27] <Tomi-idle> they're just not there yet
[08:27] <BluesKaj> mrksbrd, some patience is required , in order to keep the frustration levels low :)
[08:27] <stdin> no, windows is "point, click, reboot, repeat"
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> lol
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> and lots of blue
[08:28] <mrksbrd> lol...true
[08:28] <Tomi-idle> ms did a good job selecting color for windows users to keep calm..
[08:28] <mrksbrd> alright i'm going to go study this, thanks all for th help, i'll prolly be back later i'm sure
[08:29] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: Have fun!
[08:31] <lost^alien> I thought linux is 99% point and click now, at least with desktop apps and functionality?
[08:31] <lost^alien> There's a gui for everything now
[08:32] <BluesKaj> some stuff still works better in the cli
[08:33] <lost^alien> true, and I love the cli, but there's a front end for almost evrything is my point. works better or not
[08:33] <lost^alien> mrksbrd: I'm interested. What are some of your biggest frustrations.
[08:33] <facugaich> How can I extract some frames from a vid to make a .gif?
[08:34] <RadiantFire_> sorry, asked a question earlier and then internet cut out and I dropped, does anyone know if you can put a network interface back under knetworkmanager's control after giving it a static config?
[08:38] <graft> RadiantFire: static config where who what? you mean in /etc/network/interfaces?
[08:39] <RadiantFire> graft: I gave an interface a static configuration, so it has an entry in /etc/network/interfaces, is there a button somewhere I can push that says, make me automatic again, or do I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand
[08:39] <RadiantFire> setting the interface to dhcp in knetworkconf doesn't seem to do the trick
[08:40] <graft> RadiantFire: as far as i know, knetworkmanager is just an interface to the dbus networkmanager, which more or less ignores /etc/network/interfaces
[08:40] <stdin> RadiantFire: just stop the interface "sudo ifdown (interface)" and network manager should be able to use it
[08:40] <RadiantFire> ok
[08:40] <fdoving> stdin: doesn't networkmanager ignore devices listed in /etc/network/interfaces ? - that used to be true, not sure if it still is.
[08:40] <RadiantFire> i think it is, its very vexijng
[08:41] <fdoving> stdin: as in, if the device is listed in /etc/network/interfaces network manager doesn't try to manage the device.
[08:41] <stdin> fdoving: no, it says  the interface is set to "manual
[08:41] <fdoving> stdin: exactly.
[08:41] <RadiantFire> and I know the little applet thingy for gnome has a roaming checkbox, I was just wondering if ther was something similar
[08:41] <stdin> fdoving: when it's "manual" it won't configure it (if it's active)
[08:41] <vge> i have found network manager the most unrelaible thing ever :U
[08:42] <graft> it's been improving, i find
[08:42] <fdoving> network manager is very reliable with intel cards, atleast for me.
[08:42] <graft> recent versions have been pretty good for me... at least for wifi
[08:43] <graft> roaming checkbox?
[08:43] <RadiantFire> graft: yeah, there is a checkbox in the gnome network systool in ubuntu for making an interface "roaming" seems to delete the interface from /etc/network/interfaces
[08:47] <AhDiCt3D> If i download gutsy will it update to the next "tribe" after it is released?
[08:47] <stdin> all a "tribe" is, is a mile stone, you just update as normal one in gutsy
[08:48] <AhDiCt3D> ok is there any way i can install gutsy via net without a cd?
[08:48] <cameron> hey, when I installed my ati drivers for my X1650, my gui is showing graphical errors
[08:48] <cameron> windows are re-writing over eachother
[08:49] <stdin> AhDiCt3D: yeah, from update-manager, i think it's "gksu update-manager -c -d"
[08:50] <cameron> how do I restart Xserver?
[08:50] <stdin> AhDiCt3D: or you can just repace "feisty" with "gutsy" in your sources.list
[08:51] <cameron> how do I restart Xserver?
[08:51] <meson100> cameron: Ctrl +alt+Backspace
[08:52] <nex> Hi
[08:53] <event_ide> my audio is not working. it worked before, but quit working.
[08:54] <graft> event_ide: are you running arts?
[08:54] <event_ide> graft; i don't believe so
[08:54] <cameron> hey, when I installed my ati drivers, I encountered graphical errors, (windows re-writing over eachother)
[08:54] <graft> event_ide: well, what about your audio 'isn't working'?
[08:54] <event_ide> graft; just alsa. whatever kubuntu installs by default
[08:55] <graft> event_ide: ps -ef | grep arts, just to be sure
[08:55] <jodoe> A bit off topic, but anyone know if its possible to hide #ifdef statements based on a conditional from within Kdevelop?
[08:55] <cameron> hey, when I installed my ati drivers, I encountered graphical errors, (windows re-writing over eachother)
[08:55] <stdin> is there an echo in here?
[08:56] <sephy> hey guys
[08:56] <cameron> yes
[08:57] <sephy> where can i get a copy of wine for the powerPC version of ubuntu?
[08:57] <cameron> anyone have any ideas?
[08:57] <stdin> !ppc
[08:57] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[08:57] <graft> cameron: stop using those ati drivers, eh
[08:58] <event_ide> graft; dave       5653  5606  0 13:52 ?          00:00:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[08:58] <event_ide> graft; not quite sure what that means
[08:58] <Kr4t05> There isn't any sort of tool that allows for an animated wallpaper, is there?
[09:00] <sephy> ok
[09:00] <sephy> that makes sense
[09:00] <graft> event_ide: you're running arts. probably it is grabbing the sound card and not playing nice with other apps
[09:01] <event_ide> graft; what do you suggest to fix the problem?
[09:01] <stdin> sephy: bacically, wine doesn't work on PPC
[09:01] <graft> event_ide: you should disable arts via kcontrol
[09:01] <graft> event_ide: after that, i think pretty much everything should play well together
[09:02] <event_ide> graft; k, thanks for the help
[09:02] <graft> event_ide: you might have to kill arts by hand (pkill -9 -f arts)
[09:02] <graft> also, it sounds dumb, but make sure your alsamixer volume is turned up
[09:02] <event_ide> yea, they are
[09:04] <event_ide> graft; where do i disable arts in kcontrol? i don't see an option for arts
[09:04] <graft> event_ide: sound & multimedia/sound system, de-select the 'enable the sound system' box
[09:05] <event_ide> graft; k
[09:05] <graft> event_ide: also sudo rm /usr/bin/arts is not an unreasonable thing to do, though you might be leary of such extreme measures
[09:06] <event_ide> graft; right
[09:07] <graft> hm apparently that is spelled 'leery', my bad
[09:07] <lost^alien> Kr4t05: xwinwrap - here is a video on youtube demonstrating it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Bc3w-HJs9s
[09:08] <event_ide> graft; will i have to reboot for changes to take effect?
[09:08] <event_ide> graft; or restart x
[09:08] <event_ide> graft; still no sound
[09:13] <Karti> Hi, just installed Restricted Devices Manager, any ideas how to start it from the command line as I can't see the application in the menu
[09:13] <Ubuntu1980> I need help, I can't set the screen refresh in 85, I know how to do it, but 85 is not in the options,
[09:14] <Ubuntu1980> please, can't find the solution in google
[09:14] <Karti> Ubuntu1980: just checking that you are not using a TFT
[09:15] <Ubuntu1980> TFY? what's that
[09:15] <Karti> using a lcd monitor
[09:15] <Ubuntu1980> no
[09:15] <Ubuntu1980> viewsonic E70-8
[09:15] <vzduch> Karti: hit Alt+F2, then type 'kdesu restricted-manager'
[09:16] <Karti> its just that you dont use refresh rates with TFT/LCD
[09:16] <Karti> vzduch: many thanks
[09:16] <vzduch> Karti: well, you do..
[09:17] <vzduch> w/ my TFT it's a difference if I use it @ 60 Hz or @ 75 Hz
[09:17] <Karti> I was under the impression that it does not refesh in the same manner
[09:17] <vzduch> the thing is that it's just not as visible as w/ a CRT
[09:17] <BluesKaj> was taking some tutorial advice about how to defeat the caps lock problem ... however , for some reason it refuses to follow the command that i placed in the ~/.bashrc as directed by this tutoriual site: http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/6401/1/...any suggestions ?
[09:17] <vzduch> what caps lock problem?
[09:18] <BluesKaj> mine:)
[09:18] <BluesKaj> big fingers
[09:18] <vzduch> o0
[09:18] <mankeletor> hey guys, do you think feisty would be too much for a P3 550Mhz PC?
[09:18] <BluesKaj> hate it
[09:18] <BluesKaj> RAM ?
[09:19] <mankeletor> 256MB
[09:19] <vzduch> should be good
[09:19] <mankeletor> but serial mice is not detected =(
[09:19] <sephy> is the PPC version still supported?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> make a 500mb swap file for it
[09:19] <vzduch> 256 MB is enough anyway, as for the CPU I don't know.. I have a Athlon 900 MHz, and there are reportedly ppl out there running on PIII 650 MHz system w/o problems
[09:20] <vzduch> serial mouse? o0
[09:20] <bert2> hello peeps...
[09:20] <mankeletor> yes, serial mouse
[09:20] <Karti> vzduch: nice bit of info - http://www.spodesabode.com/content/article/tftbuyers/2
[09:20] <vzduch> last time I used one I had a Pentium 75 MHz..
[09:20] <bert2> downloading kubuntu to pop my linux cherry =)
[09:21] <Karti> vzduch: but don't shout at me.....I like this channel ;)
[09:21] <sephy> is the power pc version of ubuntu still supported?
[09:21] <vzduch> Karti: ?
[09:21] <bert2> i used fedora last week and it sucks bawlz... nothing but problems :S
[09:21] <Karti> tff stuff
[09:21] <Karti> tft stuff even
[09:22] <graft> i have an fc6 machine at home... it has the incredibly annoying habit of changing ownership permissions in /dev all the time
[09:22] <graft> makes it absolutely impossible to use
[09:22] <graft> i think it's just not designed to be a multi-user machine
[09:26] <savetheWorld> graft: I suspect thats not the reason.  check in #fedora
[09:29] <BluesKaj> vzduch, perhaps the ~/.bashrc file is the wrong file for this command : xmodmap -e "remove lock = Caps_Lock"
[09:31] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: .bashrc is for things to start for every bash (dash?) shell
[09:31] <BluesKaj> the command works in the terminal until reboot or relogin
[09:31] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: Perhaps .xinitrc
[09:33] <attunix> can i boot my computer from an iso disk image?
[09:33] <attunix> i dont have any cd-r's nearby
[09:33] <graft> savetheWorld: no, i know why it happens, it's just a really poorly designed system, i think
[09:34] <savetheWorld> k
[09:35] <graft> attunix: how do you propose to do that? your disk image is sitting on some file system, correct?
[09:36] <jhutchins> graft: /dev is pretty dynamic under any udev system.
[09:36] <attunix> graft: true... :(
[09:36] <graft> attunix: you could make a partition, write the ISO to that partition, and then make that bootable, maybe...
[09:36] <attunix> graft: how?
[09:37] <graft> attunix: err, in the usual way
[09:37] <attunix> graft: i don't know how
[09:37] <vzduch> well, at first you need to boot from a method the BIOS can understand
[09:37] <jhutchins> attunix: What kind of iso is it?
[09:37] <attunix> just a .iso file
[09:37] <jhutchins> attunix: ... of what?
[09:37] <graft> is it something you can boot from?
[09:37] <attunix> dream linux
[09:37] <attunix> yes
[09:37] <jhutchins> attunix: A live CD or an installer?
[09:38] <graft> seems like the easiest thing would be... find a cd writer
[09:38] <bert2> can someone explaine the difference between the CD and DVD installation medias?
[09:38] <graft> they're practically lying around on the street these days
[09:38] <attunix> i know, i can burn cds, but i don't have any cd's to burn to
[09:38] <graft> spend the $.05 and save yourself a lot of headache
[09:39] <graft> jhutchins: okay, but /dev permissions shouldn't change every time a new person logs in to KDE
[09:40] <Briareos1> i am looking for a software to draw relationships between persons categorized in where they live (as diagrams). i know dia but i'd like something more specific for that need. any recommendations?
[09:46] <mankeletor> i got it... i need to do "sudo ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/mouse"
[09:46] <mankeletor> after that how I restart xserver in feisty?
[09:47] <Briareos1> something like this (at best automatically generated from data given): http://ueberzeugt.com/Personal_Relations_example.png
[09:51] <DaSkreech> How do I theme the fonts for the history plugin in Kopete?
[09:53] <attunix> how do i log in as root
[09:53] <attunix> ?
[09:53] <Briareos1> what exactly do you want to do?
[09:54] <Briareos1> want to be root in a console?
[09:54] <Briareos1> just type "sudo bash"
[09:54] <attunix> copy some things into  /   - graphical
[09:54] <Briareos1> attunix: kdesu konqueror
[09:54] <attunix> thanks
[09:54] <DaSkreech> !root
[09:54] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:55] <attunix> thanks
[09:55] <araizen> i recently installed kubuntu, and since it seems that the volume is lower, even with the volume turned all the way up on the hardware, on amarok and in kmix
[09:55] <araizen> does anyone have any idea how i might be able to fix that?
[09:55] <vge> araizen: have u turned your PCM channel high enough?
[09:56] <araizen> vge: where can i do that?
[09:56] <vge> atleast kmixer has "mixer" settings :)
[09:56] <vge> donno that meny realy gui ways to change it
[09:57] <DaSkreech> araizen: Middle click on the speaker in the systray
[09:57] <nicolai_> araizen: Kmix -> mixer -> PCM
[09:58] <attunix> how can i enable the root account and set the root password
[09:58] <attunix> ?
[09:58] <vge> why you want to do that?
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> attunix: why?
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> there's absolutely no reason to.
[09:58] <attunix> i want to copy files into   /  graphically
[09:58] <araizen> nicolai_: that's it, thanks
[09:58] <araizen> i wonder how i missed it
[09:58] <Daisuke_Ido> attunix: kdesu konqueror
[09:59] <nicolai_> araizen: having PCM turned up distorts the audio on my laptop, so I was happily suprised when I updated to Feisty :)
[09:59] <attunix> ok.
[09:59] <Daisuke_Ido> basically, run konqueror as admin :)
[09:59] <attunix> i'll try
[09:59] <morphinex> howdy folks
[10:00] <attunix> thanks! it works!
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[10:00] <morphinex> I'm having this program with trying to update
[10:00] <Briareos1> attunix: hey i told you that before :P
[10:00] <Daisuke_Ido> hehe
[10:00] <morphinex> The installation freezes on "unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.17-12-generic"
[10:00] <Silent_G> how can i know the ip address of a machine connected to the same modem with me?
[10:01] <attunix> Briareos1: true, but it took a while for my computer to load it and i found a new konqueror window and thought "where did this window come from?" and closed it :P
[10:01] <attunix> bye everyone
[10:01] <morphinex> I'm using edgy, trying to get ready to go to feisty
[10:01] <Briareos1> ggg
[10:02] <jhutchins> Daisuke_Ido: I wonder what he was copying to /?  Generally you don't want any files there.
[10:02] <jhutchins> morphinex: How long have you left it frozen?
[10:03] <Silent_G> how can i know the ip address of a machine connected to the same modem with me?
[10:03] <morphinex> 1 hour
[10:03] <jhutchins> morphinex: That's pretty frozen.
[10:03] <Daisuke_Ido> jhutchins: not sure...  it would be wrong to say i'm somewhat amused by the thought though
[10:03] <morphinex> jhutchins: it sure is, and the computer isn't grinding or anything
[10:03] <miles> is there a secret to taking screenshots in kubuntu?
[10:03] <Briareos1> jhutchins: i was about to say "see you in about 5 minutes, when you ask about repairing your system" :D
[10:03] <jhutchins> morphinex: So it's still stuck there?
[10:03] <frojnd> is anyone here form France? how is written "CLIENE" the town that is famous by horses, near Taize ??
[10:03] <morphinex> jhutchins: sure is
[10:03] <jhutchins> morphinex: Try Ctrl-C
[10:03] <vge> miles: press printscreen
[10:04] <miles> i know, but i go to paste it into gimp and nothin
[10:04] <miles> with compiz, i can do it, but i dont have compiz on my work laptop
[10:04] <jhutchins> morphinex: Just once, should skip to the next package.
[10:04] <morphinex> jhutchins: nothing yet
[10:04] <Briareos1> miles why not safe it to disk and open in gimp?
[10:04] <jhutchins> morphinex: Give it a few tries then.
[10:05] <miles> not sure how to save a screen shot to disk
[10:05] <morphinex> jhutchins: nope, still dead
[10:05] <jhutchins> morphinex: Is there another machine you could connect to it via ssh?
[10:05] <jhutchins> morphinex: Or possibly switch to another console?
[10:05] <Briareos1> miles: did "ksnapshot" show up when u pressed "printscreen"?
[10:05] <morphinex> jhutchins: sure thing, I have another console open now
[10:05] <jhutchins> morphinex: ps ax will probably show what process it's stuck on.
[10:06] <morphinex> jhutchins: yeah, you think I should kill it?
[10:06] <jhutchins> morphinex: Yes.
[10:07] <morphinex> jhutchins: can't kill it
[10:07] <morphinex> jhutchins: even tried kill -9
[10:07] <jhutchins> morphinex: Nasty.
[10:07] <miles> ksnapshot, thanks thats all i needed
[10:07] <jhutchins> morphinex: Is there a parent task you can kill?
[10:08] <morphinex> jhutchins: ah yes, that worked
[10:08] <Briareos1> miles: np; usually "printscreen" is connected to launching ksnapshot ...
[10:08] <jhutchins> morphinex: So this hung on the GUI updater, right?
[10:08] <jhutchins> morphinex: How's your free disk space?
[10:08] <morphinex> It hung using adept
[10:08] <morphinex> using synaptic
[10:08] <morphinex> and using apt-get
[10:09] <morphinex> I have plenty of disk space
[10:09] <Briareos1> any idea where i can good recommendation of applications?
[10:10] <jhutchins> morphinex: Have you fsck'ed it lately?
[10:10] <morphinex> jhutchins: nope
[10:10] <vge> Briareos1: iw found this place to be an deacent one
[10:10] <jhutchins> !equivalents | Briareos1
[10:10] <ubotu> Briareos1: A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:11] <jhutchins> morphinex: You might try that.  I can think of three possibilities:  Net connection (or server), bad disk space, or bad RAM.
[10:11] <morphinex> jhutchins: hmm
[10:11] <Briareos1> jhutchins: thx - but as i don't remember when i booted a windows last time i can't think of an linux-equivalent app in windows either :P
[10:12] <morphinex> jhutchins: I obviously have a net connection, and I've runn a memcheck recently
[10:12] <jhutchins> morphinex: I mean you could be having trouble with the connection to the server.
[10:13] <morphinex> jhutchins: yeah, but it hangs after downloading the package, during the install process
[10:13] <jhutchins> morphinex: Always the same package?
[10:14] <morphinex> jhutchins: yeah
[10:14] <DaSkreech> Briareos1: What are you looking for?
[10:14] <morphinex> jhutchins: linux kernel headers
[10:14] <DaSkreech> morphinex: get it from packages.ubuntu.com
[10:15] <jhutchins> morphinex: Obviously skip that package, upgrade the rest, then go back and see why.
[10:15] <morphinex> dpkg does throw me some errors
[10:15] <washington> ayuda por fa
[10:16] <jhutchins> morphinex: That's probably significant.
[10:16] <morphinex> serious warning, files list for package missing
[10:16] <jhutchins> !es | washington
[10:16] <ubotu> washington: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:16] <morphinex> that's the error
[10:17] <DaSkreech> ! Fr frojnd
[10:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fr frojnd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <DaSkreech> !Fr | frojnd
[10:17] <ubotu> frojnd: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:18] <Yorokobi> What's the website that lists Windows apps and their Linux equivalents ?
[10:19] <vge>  !equivalents
[10:19] <ubotu> A comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[10:20] <Briareos1> DaSkreech: some app that displays relations between persons - somehow like this: http://ueberzeugt.com/Personal_Relations_example.png
[10:21] <Yorokobi> thanks, vge
[10:21] <DaSkreech> Like a family tree?
[10:21] <DaSkreech> I guess you could mind map that
[10:21] <Briareos1> DaSkreech somehow - but now only family - also stuff like "neighbour" or "friend" ....
[10:21] <DaSkreech> !info kdissert
[10:21] <ubotu> kdissert: mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6.c-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 895 kB, installed size 2668 kB
[10:23] <DaSkreech> !info labryntih
[10:23] <DaSkreech> !info vym
[10:23] <ubotu> Package labryntih does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:23] <ubotu> vym: mindmapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.8.1-2 (feisty), package size 1128 kB, installed size 2768 kB
[10:23] <Briareos1> DaSkreech: good hints i think! thx!
[10:23] <DaSkreech> !info labrynitnh
[10:23] <ubotu> Package labrynitnh does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:23] <DaSkreech> Blast
[10:23] <DaSkreech> can anyone spell? :)
[10:23] <Briareos1> gg :)
[10:23] <Briareos1> !info labyrinth
[10:23] <ubotu> labyrinth: lightweight mind-mapping tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 73 kB, installed size 524 kB
[10:23] <Briareos1> :D
[10:23] <genii> !info labyrinth
[10:24] <DaSkreech> There we go
[10:24] <DaSkreech>  there is also freemind which for some reason isn't in repos
[10:25] <Briareos1> DaSkreech have you tried any of them? can you recommend "the best"?
[10:25] <DaSkreech> I've used fereemind and kdissert
[10:25] <DaSkreech>  I like them both
[10:25] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:25] <DaSkreech> Freemind is colourful :)
[10:26] <Briareos1> :)
[10:27] <Briareos1> in which can i insert images? (that'd be a criteria for deciding)
[10:27] <DaSkreech> Ermm
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Hold on
[10:28] <Briareos1> (sry didn't tell that before)
[10:29] <DaSkreech> !info semantik
[10:29] <ubotu> Package semantik does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:29] <Briareos1> DaSkreech wiki says freemind can
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah I saw
[10:30] <DaSkreech>  You have to carry thefiles with you
[10:30] <waylandbill__> ok... what is a mind-mapping tool?
[10:30] <DaSkreech> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_Mapping
[10:31] <waylandbill__> hmm. looks like brain storming diagram.
[10:32] <waylandbill__> a map of my brain would be a big circle. ;-)
[10:32] <DaSkreech> 0 work :)
[10:32] <Briareos1> lol
[10:34] <waylandbill> I guess that's my "learn a new thing everyday" thing. Now I can wander aimlessly until midnite and try again.
[10:34] <Daisuke_Ido> why stop at one thing though?
[10:34] <Daisuke_Ido> it's still early!
[10:36] <waylandbill> Daisuke_Ido: that would require extra work though. :-)
[10:36] <DaSkreech> Ha
[10:36] <DaSkreech>   the days of Mortal man are 70 and 80 if Mighty
[10:39] <cedric_> bonjour
[10:40] <ikichi> salut
[10:40] <Briareos1> lu
[10:40] <gan|y|med> hi
[10:40] <jacou> hi
[10:40] <ikichi> who speak french
[10:40] <jacou> I do
[10:41] <DaSkreech> !fr
[10:41] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:41] <gan|y|med> when trying to boot the live-cd i get the message "unable to mount root device". apparently, it has sth to do with the way the kernel handles pata drives. any ideas how to fix this?
[10:41] <nicolai_> !dk
[10:41] <ubotu> For at f support til Ubuntu p Dansk bedes du venligst g til #ubuntu-dk. I denne kanal tales kun Engelsk.
[10:42] <ShockValue> i have a filename with some weird characters.. namely $0 and $2 in them, which is hozing me up.. is there someway to ignore those characters in the filename and get bash to take it literally instead of trying to substitue?
[10:43] <ShockValue> example "yydecode<EMAIL_ADDRESS>No such file or directory"
[10:43] <ShockValue> notice the "/bin/bash" in there were the filename has $0$2
[10:43] <Yorokobi> ShockValue, does some\$0file work ? Or let bash auto-complete the file name
[10:43] <ShockValue> hrm, let me try
[10:44] <nicolai_> ShockValue: put ' signs around the filename
[10:45] <ShockValue> yeah, it automatically throws '\' in the mix to make it work...
[10:45] <ShockValue> nicolai_: kk, let me try that too
[10:46] <vzduch> ShockValue: that's called escape characters
[10:46] <DaSkreech> ShockValue: try tabbing
[10:46] <DaSkreech> IT should auto escape for you
[10:46] <DaSkreech>  bash is that damn smart
[10:47] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: too bad bash isn't the default shell :\
[10:47] <graft> it isn't?
[10:47] <Briareos1> so i am backing out now :) bye guys
[10:47] <graft> what's the default shell?
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: Waht?
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> dash
[10:48] <graft> since when?
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> (it also autoinserts escape characters)
[10:48] <Daisuke_Ido> since feisty
[10:48] <graft> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Jul 12 12:25 /bin/sh -> bash*
[10:49] <graft> i don't even have dash here...
[10:50] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: No It's bash
[10:50] <angasule> !framebuffer
[10:50] <ubotu> If you would like information on framebuffers, please visit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[10:50] <waylandbill> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-06-06 12:12 /bin/sh -> dash
[10:50] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: users get Bash. Some scripts will get dash
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=ubuntu+default+shell+dash&btnG=Search
[10:52] <angasule> DaSkreech, Daisuke_Ido: to be more precise, /bin/sh is a link to dash, which shows when a broken script expects bash (it should use /bin/bash in that case)
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: oh most certainly
[10:52] <zimmo> what is that site that contains all basic linux commands?
[10:52] <Daisuke_Ido> but /bin/dash is linked to /bin/sh
[10:52] <DaSkreech> !dash
[10:52] <ubotu> /bin/sh links to the DASH shell in Ubuntu Edgy (6.10). Since DASH is not 100% compatible with the BASH shell, some scripts might break. You can make scripts execute using BASH by changing the first line of the script to  #! /bin/bash
[10:52] <angasule> so all the criticism against ubuntu for using dash is out of ignorance, imho
[10:53] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  hi!
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> angasule: never criticized, just pointed it out
[10:53] <DaSkreech> !commands
[10:53] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  I had to reset, and the soundcard no longer plays the music.  What's up with this?
[10:53] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:53] <HomeRoey> hey Daisuke_Ido
[10:53] <angasule> Daisuke_Ido: oh, I wasn't talking about you (specially since I just joined :P )
[10:53] <zimmo> okay regards
[10:53] <DaSkreech> Daisuke_Ido: but a user typing in a shell is still using bash
[10:53] <angasule> I'm thinking of slashdotters :P
[10:53] <DaSkreech>  You can't even tab in dash it's basically non-interactive
[10:53] <Daisuke_Ido> if a script doesn't work, it's likely the author's fault by making a poor assumption that everyone has bash as /bin/sh
[10:54] <Yorokobi> or dash's fault for not being compatible
[10:54] <graft> i agree... one shouldn't write a script headed with #!/bin/sh
[10:54] <HomeRoey> I have an onboard via82cxxx sound chip; I don't hear any sound from alsa programs (mpg123-alsa and amarok).  What could hte problem be?  I did 'alsamixer' and I see only one, not two IEC958 channels--they don't have volumes, either.
[10:54] <HomeRoey> crimsun:  see above
[10:54] <DaSkreech> !commands > shclient
[10:54] <Daisuke_Ido> DaSkreech: konsole uses bash i believe
[10:55] <DaSkreech> Yorokobi: dash is compatible with sh
[10:55] <DaSkreech> !sound
[10:55] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> dash is posix compatible, but it's not compatible with bash
[10:55] <Daisuke_Ido> (again, authors, remember #!/bin/bash)
[10:56] <angasule> HomeRoey: make sure no channel is muted (bottom shows MM instead of a number) and raise the volume of /all/ channels
[10:56] <runlevelten> Posix is less important than bash for compatibility's sake, in my opinion.
[10:56] <graft> blah... why would you WANT arts to be running?
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> that was a huge problem with the unreal tournament install script
[10:56] <angasule> HomeRoey: also, for testing sound, go to Settings->sound and use one of the 'sound test' buttons
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> so i did dpkg-reconfigure dash
[10:56] <angasule> graft: compatibility with crappy programs
[10:56] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[10:57] <graft> angasule: there's no program i know of that requires arts
[10:57] <graft> i think arts ought to be considered deprecated
[10:57] <graft> it hasn't been under active development for eons
[10:57] <jacou> hihi
[10:57] <morphinex> jhutchins: fixed the dpkg problem
[10:58] <angasule> so, back to the reason I showed up here, how the heck do I activate the framebuffer? I have no /dev/fb0 , I have an nvidia (7600 GT) card
[10:58] <morphinex> jhutchins: turns out that it was fixed by just restarting
[10:58] <angasule> graft: it is, KDE4 won't have it any more
[10:58] <angasule> graft: most programs these days use alsa anyway, I think
[10:59] <graft> yeah... so i don't know why kubuntu enables it by default, especially since so many other apps don't play nicely with it
[10:59] <incorrect> what do i need to install to play dvd's ?
[10:59] <HomeRoey> angasule:  the digital-out channels are not muted
[10:59] <angasule> HomeRoey: analog out works?
[10:59] <HomeRoey> angasule:  like I said, Amarok's frequency analyzer fires away happily, I just don't hear sound.  It happened after I re-set the system.
[10:59] <angasule> !DVD | incorrect
[10:59] <ubotu> incorrect: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[10:59] <HomeRoey> angasule:  I don't know, I only have a digital receiver on the tuner
[11:00] <angasule> HomeRoey: ah, ok, so the current hardware setup used to work under kubuntu?
[11:00] <HomeRoey> right
[11:00] <HomeRoey> But now even when I alsactl restore /etc/asound.conf, it still doesn't work.
[11:00] <graft> is fb support built into the kernel?
[11:00] <runlevelten> graft: there is functionality that needs to be extracted from arts and put elsewhere before it can be deprecated.
[11:01] <angasule> runlevelten: like what? I'm curious :)
[11:01] <HomeRoey> angasule:  For what it's worth, I recall seeing previously /two/ digital out channels where I can select the input source (PCM, etc.)
[11:01] <graft> runlevelten: yeah, me too... i haven't found any
[11:01] <HomeRoey> hey graft, long time no see
[11:02] <graft> runlevelten: i mean it's primary use is software mixing, but we've had alsa dmix to do that for years
[11:02] <hammer_> hi there
[11:02] <Karti> Hi all, I know using Konqueror that when you type in stuff like font etc you can see the fonts personal or system, is there a list of commands that you can use in there?
[11:02] <angasule> HomeRoey: frankly I don't know much about the subject, I know I hate alsamixer :)
[11:02] <graft> err, hi, HomeRoey
[11:02] <hammer_> question about wine
[11:03] <hammer_> i've installed guitar pro 5 under wine
[11:03] <hammer_> now i've all fonts in wine changed to notes =)
[11:03] <angasule> hammer_: sounds like fun
[11:04] <mm_202> Hey guys, quick question.  I have some software, but dont know where to put it in the fs tree.  I was told to _never_ put it under /usr.  Why not?  Second question, seems that /opt would be the place, but its empty, why?
[11:04] <hammer_> yeah, looks funny but totally unusable
[11:04] <angasule> hammer_: try asking in #winehq , though
[11:04] <familiaok> hi guys
[11:04] <graft> angasule: as far as i can tell, the ubuntu kernel has fb support, you just need to enable it at boot time
[11:04] <angasule> hammer_: invite people over and pretend you can read that :)
[11:04] <angasule> graft: how? :)
[11:04] <WaxyFresh> i accidetally kill my kmenu how do i restart it?
[11:04] <vzduch> mm_202: what software?
[11:04] <hammer_> =)
[11:04] <hammer_> ok
[11:04] <Daisuke_Ido> WaxyFresh: kicker
[11:05] <WaxyFresh> thanks
[11:05] <graft> angasule: erm... do hwinfo --framebuffer, pick a mode, and put in a kernel option for vga=<yourmodehere>
[11:05] <graft> angasule: in your /boot/grub/menu.lst, that is... then do your usual grub updating nonsense, reboot, etc.
[11:06] <mm_202> vzduch:  its SyncEngine, trying to sync my WM5 PDA to linux...  major pain in the ass.
[11:06] <vzduch> never heard of
[11:06] <graft> angasule: alternatively vga=ask MIGHT list available modes, but i don't really remember how that works
[11:06] <DaSkreech> Karti: yes
[11:06] <mm_202> I was told by the maintainer to just leave it where it was, but its in ~/tmp  and I dont want to keep it there
[11:06] <angasule> graft: funny thing is I tried vga=normal
[11:06] <mm_202> but basically, is thre a pref of where to put in apps?
[11:06] <familiaok> that program that make easy installation.. how did it call?
[11:06] <Karti> DaSkreech: is there a link available :)
[11:06] <graft> angasule: yeh i don't think that works, it needs an actual mode number
[11:07] <Tomi-idle> oh btw. how can i get a ~50 line tty?
[11:07] <angasule> graft: actually vga=normal tends to always work, just looks awful heh
[11:07] <vzduch> mm_202: as to /usr, that is commonly used for software you install from the repos _only_, you could place it in /opt or in /usr/local or somewhere in your /home
[11:08] <familiaok> anyone can help me?
[11:08] <mm_202> vzduch:  thank you, I was just curious about that.
[11:08] <graft> angasule: apparently that's how you disable the framebuffer, according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer
[11:08] <Daisuke_Ido> i use /home/username/bin
[11:08] <graft> angasule: what do you want it for, anyway? a nifty penguin? movies in the shell?
[11:08] <angasule> graft: funny, hwinfo is /totally/ broken, it seems they forgot to use \n or something
[11:09] <angasule> graft: qtopia core
[11:09] <angasule> going to try something
[11:09] <bonesss> hi guys
[11:09] <bonesss> a need help
[11:10] <bonesss> how did call that program that make easy installation?
[11:10] <vzduch> bonesss: ?
[11:10] <waylandbill> mm_202: you can put applications where you like. I tend to follow the debian package guidelines or use /usr/local/...
[11:11] <vzduch> [offtopic]  Studio Brussel (Belgium) plays Best of 90s
[11:11] <bonesss> vzduch: type automatix
[11:11] <fade_linux> good evenin
[11:11] <vzduch> !automatix | bonesss
[11:11] <ubotu> bonesss: Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[11:12] <bonesss> it's another
[11:12] <fade_linux> anyone knows how i can force my widescreen external lcd to run on 1366x768 with dual head setup
[11:12] <graft> bonesss: you mean aptitude? or some such?
[11:12] <Yorokobi> bonesss, apt-get? aptitude? synaptic? adept?
[11:12] <Daisuke_Ido> !easybuntu
[11:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easybuntu - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:12] <Daisuke_Ido> !easyubuntu
[11:12] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[11:12] <bonesss> BINGO!!!
[11:13] <bonesss> synaptic
[11:13] <bonesss> tks Yorokobi
[11:13] <fade_linux> i read that the i810 driver has got 915 \resolution implemented now
[11:13] <graft> bonesss: try adept, it's the KDE flavor
[11:13] <Yorokobi> np, bonesss.
[11:13] <bonesss> graft: i'm usin' it
[11:13] <Daisuke_Ido> stick with synaptic, it's not as borked :)
[11:13] <graft> haha
[11:13] <bonesss> =)
[11:13] <waylandbill> bonesss: but don't think that you have to be limited to gui.. there's aptitude or even apt-cache/apt-get.
[11:13] <graft> stick with apt-get, that's always going to work
[11:14] <Yorokobi> adept is the first thing I purge after clean installs
[11:14] <DaSkreech> Karti: it's somewhere ... trying to find it
[11:14] <angasule> vga=ask only gave me text modes to choose from, and even the text mode I chose wasn't set
[11:14] <Karti> DaSkreech: Many thanks
[11:14] <bonesss> waylandbill: yes, i know that
[11:14] <fade_linux> !915resolution
[11:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915resolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:14] <anthronaut> !WorksForMe
[11:14] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:15] <bonesss> just more one question... how those is it better?
[11:15] <angasule> haha I was thinking of creating a distro with the name Works For Me :P
[11:15] <fade_linux> does anyoneknow the paramenter in xorg.conf to force a resolution like done in 915resolution?
[11:15] <fade_linux> parameter* even
[11:16] <anthronaut> I'd prefer: WorkForMe!
[11:16] <Yorokobi> angasule, how funny would that be if the distro didn't work? :)
[11:16] <angasule> Yorokobi: well, it might not work for you, but... it Works For Me :P
[11:16] <Yorokobi> hehehe
[11:16] <graft> angasule: you got nothing out of hwinfo --framebuffer?
[11:17] <bonesss> fade_linux: section screen
[11:17] <ruzzz> tell me my IP please!
[11:17] <angasule> graft: it outputs something, but always on the same line and then the prompt writes over it, so basically it has output, it's just invisible
[11:17] <graft> ruzzz: which IP, your WAN IP or your LAN IP?
[11:17] <angasule> graft: using | less doesn't help, either
[11:18] <CrypTom> hi all, do I need to install a special package in order to rip & encode audio cds with k3b to mp3?
[11:18] <ruzzz> WAN
[11:18] <graft> ruzzz: http://whatismyip.com
[11:18] <fade_linux> !i810 driver
[11:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i810 driver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:18] <CrypTom> I've lots of choices, but not mp3
[11:18] <Daisuke_Ido> CrypTom: why yes, yes you do
[11:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !search k3b
[11:18] <ubotu> Found: burners, k3b
[11:18] <angasule> !restricted | CrypTom
[11:18] <ubotu> CrypTom: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:18] <graft> angasule: hrm... yeah it does that for me, but then it outputs actual info after that
[11:18] <ruzzz> sanx
[11:18] <waylandbill> that happened all the time when I was a windows programmer. It always worked for me. :-)
[11:18] <angasule> graft: well... it Doesn't Work For Me ;)
[11:18] <graft> angasule: what's your card?
[11:19] <angasule> graft: nvidia geforce 7600 GT
[11:19] <angasule> graft: funny thing, is that when kubuntu boots it's using the framebuffer...
[11:19] <graft> angasule: hey, that's true... what gives?
[11:19] <waylandbill> (if it only always did for everyone else) :-D
[11:19] <graft> maybe that bootsplash thing has special hooks
[11:20] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, To burn mp3's using K3b you will need to install libk3b2-mp3
[11:21] <CrypTom> TheGateKeeper: thanks, i've got this library installed, but k3b does not present mp3 in the drop-down list
[11:21] <fade_linux> !i810 modesetting
[11:21] <bonesss> synaptic, automatix, adept... what to use?
[11:21] <fade_linux> !i810modesetting
[11:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i810modesetting - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:21] <fade_linux> argh
[11:21] <anthronaut> bonesss: synaptic or adept - it's up to you
[11:21] <fade_linux> is modesetting implemented now in the latest kubuntu release?
[11:22] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, well in truth it was a titbit I picked up, never actually tried to do that myself
[11:22] <nicolai_> CrypTom: If you can't get K3B to work I would recommend KAudioCreator
[11:23] <ruzzz> what is it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[11:23] <bonesss> anthronaut: i'm using adept, but dont have many programs
[11:23] <waylandbill> bonesss: automatix isn't a package manager... If you can use a package manager, automatix is a mute point really.
[11:23] <CrypTom> nicolai_: thanks, that seems to work!
[11:23] <bonesss> hum ;\
[11:24] <anthronaut> bonesss: synaptic and adept are the same thing. synaptic is the GNOME graphical user interface, whereas adept is the interface for KDE for a command line tool called apt.
[11:24] <waylandbill> and apt is itself a front-end for dpkg.
[11:24] <DaSkreech> Karti: kinfocenter -> Protocols
[11:24] <bonesss> hum
[11:24] <anthronaut> bonesss: you can use either of them and get the same result, it's up to your taste.
[11:25] <bonesss> i didn't know
[11:25] <Karti> DaSkreech: Thank you very much, great help
[11:25] <anthronaut> bonesss: don't worry :-)
[11:25] <bonesss> ;D
[11:25] <bonesss> i'm gonna install automatix
[11:26] <bonesss> and i'll use both
[11:26] <bonesss> automatix and adept
[11:26] <anthronaut> bonesss: As was mentioned before, it's not a really good idea to use automatix. It can cause damage to your system.
[11:26] <waylandbill> bonesss: automatix has been known to break things.
[11:26] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, update my info if KAudioCreator works for you :/
[11:27] <bonesss> i still dont understand the cause
[11:27] <waylandbill> bonesss: if you have a queston how to perform a task, you can always ask for assistance... then you wouldn't need automatix to do it for you.
[11:27] <CrypTom> TheGateKeeper: sorry, I did no understand what you meant with your last remark
[11:27] <bauer> hey how do i install g++
[11:28] <graft> bauer: the usual way, sudo apt-get install g++
[11:28] <nicolai_> TheGateKeeper: KAudioCreator doesn't make K3B work if that is what you meant. It is a separate application designed for ripping CD's
[11:28] <TheGateKeeper> CrypTom, I have a little web site with bit & pieces of useful info, & as you said KAudioCreator I updated the info
[11:29] <bauer> thx , but it fails with "g++: Depends: g++-4.0 (>= 4.0.3) but it is not going to be installed"
[11:29] <TheGateKeeper> nicolai_, yes I realize that :/
[11:29] <CrypTom> TheGateKeeper: ok
[11:29] <stepmanic> can anyone point me to a walkthrou for installing xgl\beryl on kubuntu feisty?
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: hey! hows it going?
[11:30] <TheGateKeeper> bonesss, what are you trying to do?
[11:30] <waylandbill> bonesss: it's a third party app that doesn't necessarily work closely with the package/repo maintainers. This can cause depenency issues if the timing is not right.
[11:30] <Yorokobi> stepmanic, the beryl-project.org website has tutorials.
[11:30] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: I know where there is one.... I'll find it
[11:30] <graft> bauer: do sudo apt-get install g++-4.0 and see why that fails
[11:31] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: well. i got everything installed and set up xgl, BUT.. when i logged in i just got the gray screen with the "x"cursor.. then everything goes black and stop responding -.-'
[11:31] <bonesss> the problem is that there're things that the adept have none
[11:31] <bauer> graft: it says "g++-4.0: Depends: libstdc++6-4.0-dev (= 4.0.3-1ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed"
[11:31] <stepmanic> since it was a clean install  i just reinstalled ubuntu and thought i should start over fresh^^
[11:32] <bonesss> example: codecs for real media, flash for firefox
[11:32] <Yorokobi> bauer, try 'sudo aptitude install g++-4.0' it should auto-select the dependencies for you
[11:32] <DaSkreech> !b-e | bauer
[11:32] <ubotu> bauer: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:32] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: what directions were you following?
[11:32] <graft> bauer: keep chasing it until you get the real reason...
[11:32] <stepmanic> mmh.. 2 sec
[11:32] <TheGateKeeper> bonesss, adept & synaptic are both gui front ends for apt-get, IMO synaptic is much better than adept
[11:32] <waylandbill> bonesss: but the ubuntu wiki has instructions for installing those things.
[11:33] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: did you install the ati drivers already?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> bauer: read that. One command to run them all
[11:33] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: Why?
[11:33] <TheRealInsane> Can anybody help me?
[11:33] <DaSkreech> !anyone
[11:33] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[11:33] <bauer> thx for now i am gonna do some reading :o)
[11:33] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: yeh i did, but i havent this time.. this is a clean, newly updated install,, so i have 2 start over
[11:34] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: ok, install that before we get started.
[11:34] <TheRealInsane> I have a problem with Kubuntu
[11:34] <graft> !ask | TheRealInsane
[11:34] <ubotu> TheRealInsane: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:34] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech, well I had adept crash on me when I used tried to install mutiple applications, & if you try to install java you can easily show a terminal when they want you to agree to the licence
[11:34] <TheRealInsane> Well, I start Kubuntu normally, and all I get is a blank command prompt in which I can type anything and nothing gets executed.
[11:35] <bonesss> TheRealInsane: if u tell for us what's your problem, maybe we can to help
[11:35] <TheRealInsane> If I start Kubuntu in error-trapping mode (or whatever) I get a normal Linux command Prompt or w/e
[11:35] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, are you using a liveCD or an actual install?
[11:36] <bonesss> TheGateKeeper: do u think better i use synaptic for kde than adept?
[11:36] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: I guess i'm sorry about the previous they have fixed the latter
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> DaSkreech, I don't have the latest version of kubuntu, but when I originally used adept it looked like a crap attempt at reinventing the wheel
[11:36] <TheRealInsane> Yorokobi: LiveCD works flawlessly for me, but I installed from it
[11:37] <DaSkreech> TheGateKeeper: :)
[11:37] <stepmanic> nosreadnaekim: hm, wich driver should i install.. im kinda a big noob on this area^^ just know the basics for linux-use
[11:37] <DaSkreech> Don't blink with Open source
[11:37] <TheGateKeeper> bonesss, personal opinion yes!
[11:37] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, did you change your video settings in xorg.conf or are you using a vanilla install now?
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> Basically what I did to produce the error is  Log out and restart XServer
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> Since then I've been unable to boot Kubuntu anymore
[11:37] <TheRealInsane> Because I changed a setting involving my second monitor
[11:37] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: YOu can boot but can't get X ?
[11:38] <bonesss> TheGateKeeper: ok, i'll do it
[11:38] <stepmanic> nosrednaekim: i have a ati 200m card, if it helps ^^
[11:38] <nicolai_> DaSkreech, TheGateKeeper: A lot of functionality from Synaptic has been included in Adept in the Feisty release. They are not that different anymore.
[11:38] <TheRealInsane> DaSkreech: Well, I can't boot now anymore
[11:38] <DaSkreech> TheRealInsane: Where does it stop?
[11:38] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: get the restricted-manager with "sudo apt-get restricted-manager" and then "kdesu restricted-manager"
[11:39] <TheRealInsane> I get the loading screen, then I get heaps of unreadable text (too fast), then I get that blank screen in which I can type stuff but do nothing
[11:39] <nosrednaekim> stepmanic: I remember that from yesterday or whenever.
[11:39] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, when you get the blank screen, can you use Alt-F1 to get a console prompt?
[11:39] <rojanu> Hi I am going to buy a desktop probably from Dell any recomendetions?
[11:39] <runlevelten> Oh My God I can't stop laughing. I just had a conversation with an SuSE guy who was scoffing at apt.
[11:39] <TheRealInsane> Haven't tested, didn't know that combo (new linux user)
[11:39] <teresa_> vaio rocks
[11:40] <teresa_> ;-)
[11:40] <runlevelten> SuSE. Scoffing at apt!!! lmao.
[11:40] <TheRealInsane> What should I enter in the console prompt to start the graphical interface?
[11:40] <teresa_> startx i guess TheRealInsane
[11:40] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, startx or 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[11:41] <stepmanic> how do u register on channel? ^^
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> K, let me test that
[11:41] <TheRealInsane> Cya
[11:41] <TheGateKeeper> nicolai_, well if there is an easy upgrade path to the next LTS version I'll take another look
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: get a good graphics card and a gig of ram
[11:41] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, I'm guessing the xorg.conf has some invalid/bad entries causing X to fail to start
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> for a channel? this channel doesn't need registration.
[11:41] <nosrednaekim> !register | stepmanic
[11:41] <ubotu> stepmanic: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[11:41] <DaSkreech> !register
[11:42] <vbgunz> I have a question I been meaning to bring up. if I choose the *other* mode during bootup (safe, rescue, something) I log in as root without a password... how do I password protect it OR is it meant to have no password at all?
[11:42] <rojanu> nosradnaekim, thanks but I don't want to end up like your & my aspire 5050 with to many incompatibilities
[11:42] <vbgunz> teresa_: you own a vaio?
[11:42] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, it is meant to not have a password.
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: wait...how did you know....
[11:43] <vbgunz> Yorokobi: can I password protect it?
[11:43] <teresa_> yes vbgunz
[11:43] <rojanu> I have got posts on your site
[11:43] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:43] <teresa_> hi anthronaut
[11:43] <Silent_G> can someone explain me how the swap works?
[11:43] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, you can give root a password but I don't know if the single user boot will bother with it. A better solution is to password protect grub and/or the BIOS
[11:43] <Silent_G> :p
[11:43] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: AH! well, nvidias don't have any problems.
[11:43] <anthronaut> hi and bye teresa :-)
[11:44] <vbgunz> Yorokobi: thank you, I will look into grub
[11:44] <vbgunz> :)
[11:45] <Yorokobi> vbgunz, np
[11:45] <DaSkreech> vbgunz: password protect grub
[11:45] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: have you tried to get your wireless key and others to work?
[11:45] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: Same way it works on Windows
[11:45] <Silent_G> O_o
[11:46] <Silent_G> i didnt have a swap partition on windows
[11:46] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: I have my wireless working with madwifi
[11:46] <Silent_G> :o
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: yeah everything works here, Gutsy actually supports my wireless right off.
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: you have a .swp files
[11:46] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: ah, well, mine never worked until I loaded gutsy
[11:47] <Silent_G> yeah but i dont know how the thing works
[11:47] <Silent_G> even on windblows :S
[11:47] <rojanu> nosrednoekim: well, I got it to work by actually getting acer_hk to turn it on
[11:47] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: you can only have so much RAM in the computer but you can havea huge amount of Hard drive space
[11:47] <runlevelten> Silent_G: memory is swapped out to disk to maximise the effective memory of the machine.
[11:47] <genii> Silent_G: Basically, when the computer needs more temporary space it uses a disk or file as if it was memory
[11:47] <waylandbill> there's a swap file, not a partition, in windows but it functions similar... a non-movable region of the drive dedicated to simulating physical memory.
[11:48] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:48] <DaSkreech>  the OS makes use of the hard drive to offload thigns that are not being used right now to the hard drive so that those thigns which aer running actively can make more use of the ram
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: interesting,acer_hk never worked for me.
[11:48] <Silent_G> so its like, when there isnt enough ram it takes the swap file?
[11:48] <rojanu> nosrednaekim: I think I posted something about it on your site? if I am not wrong
[11:48] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: Oversimplified but yeah
[11:48] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: yeah, I think you did
[11:48] <Silent_G> yeah
[11:48] <waylandbill> Silent_G: exactly. It's a replacement for lack of physical ram.
[11:49] <Silent_G> i keep things simple
[11:49] <Silent_G> lol
[11:49] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:49] <Silent_G> but isnt it a bit imposible to have 1GB of programmes running?
[11:49] <Silent_G> :s
[11:49] <genii> nope. Try rendering something large sometime
[11:50] <Yorokobi> !swap | Silent_G
[11:50] <ubotu> Silent_G: swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[11:50] <teresa_> or close to 100% your cpu working
[11:50] <angasule>  I have a GF 7600GT, I can't get the framebuffer to work, the closest I got is with "vga=792 video=vesa" which does result in /dev/fb0 but the consoles are garbled, trying without video=vesa doesn't create a /dev/fb0 at all, I've googled to goatse and back and can't find a proper parameter combo
[11:50] <JOEYYYYYY> can you change the hz of your monitor in kubuntu?
[11:50] <Silent_G> hmm
[11:50] <Silent_G> how can i make a swap file instead of swap partition ?
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: No quite easy. You can have one program taking that much
[11:51] <Yorokobi> !info onswap
[11:51] <ubotu> Package onswap does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:51] <Yorokobi> Silent_G, check the man pages for swapon/swapoff
[11:51] <DaSkreech> Silent_G: Yeah You can
[11:51] <TheRealInsane> Still won't work:
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> I pressed Alt + F1 to go into the console, and entered "startx"
[11:52] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, you have to log in first
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> Basically it gave me an error message: "Entity is already running"
[11:52] <nosrednaekim> rojanu: anyway, I like the looks of the Ubuntu dell.
[11:52] <TheRealInsane> I logged in
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> Once into root, once into my user
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> same results
[11:53] <Yorokobi> TheRealInsane, what about 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart' ?
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> I'll try that now
[11:53] <Silent_G> DaSkreech, 1 programme taking 1GB? O_o
[11:53] <TheRealInsane> Gotta write it down >.<
[11:53] <rojanu> nosrednoekim: I was on the phone with dell US but they don't ship to london
[11:53] <genii> !info swapon
[11:53] <ubotu> Package swapon does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:54] <genii> hmm
[11:54] <nosrednaekim> london.... lol. try system76?
[11:54] <Yorokobi> genii, swapon/swapoff are commands, not packages of their own
[11:54] <genii> Yorokobi: Thought it was worth a shot :)
[11:54] <Yorokobi> heh
[11:55] <rojanu> I don't know what is that, enlighten me please? ok just checked
[11:55] <rojanu> I did not know them
[11:56] <genii> Silent_G: Usually it's not one single program taking a gig. It's like you have 20 things open that all take a certain amount of resources each to run
[11:56] <Yorokobi> rojanu, system76.com
[11:56] <rojanu> I am looking at it now, thanks
[11:56] <Silent_G> yes genii but DaSkreech said 1 programme could take 1 gig :o
[11:57] <genii> Silent_G: The program diff can take up to the size of the file being examined
[11:57] <enebro> hello
[11:57] <genii> so a diff on 2 dvd iso could take 4.7 Gb
[11:57] <AhDiCt3D> anyone gotten the intel 4965AGBN to work on linux?
[11:58] <solarwaver> anyone knows how i put back the grub?
[11:58] <zimmo> how can I calc my mask width?
[11:59] <Silent_G> ic :S
[11:59] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: use intel's official driver
[11:59] <DaSkreech> !grub
[11:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:59] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Is there a .deb?
[11:59] <mrksbrd> jhutchins u there??
[11:59] <nosrednaekim> !grub | solarwaver
[11:59] <ubotu> solarwaver: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: i don't think so, yet
[12:00] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, i just went through the howto it doesnt wokr.
[12:00] <AhDiCt3D> work*
[12:00] <Daisuke_Ido> well that's not good
[12:00] <nosrednaekim> DaSkreech: beatcha to it ;)
[12:01] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Ive tried everything i just got this laptop hoping it could but it cant
[12:01] <mrksbrd> what commands do i do to untar a file?
[12:01] <solarwaver> thanx ubutu
[12:01] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: that makes me sad
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the chipset in the laptop i'm ordering :(
[12:02] <genii> mrksbrd: Depends on the file ending. like .tar  .tar.gz  or so on
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, I guess im going back to Vista then
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> i may have to rethink that
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> let me look
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, What laptop? I have the Asus G1S
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> that the howto you followed?
[12:02] <mrksbrd> tar.gz
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> yes
[12:02] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: dell inspiron
[12:02] <AhDiCt3D> psh man get an Asus
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> or an HP pavilion
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> no
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> Asus
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate asus.
[12:03] <mrksbrd> this is my scond day using Linux, so pls exuse me
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> Asus is the best
[12:03] <zimmo> does anybody know about SHOREWALL configuration?
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i've always hated asus
[12:03] <genii> mrksbrd: if tar.gz (most common)     then  sudo tar -xvzf tararchivename.tar.gz
[12:03] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Why do you hate asus>
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> and if that doesn't work, it's not the best, is it?
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> the quality of anything i've ever bought from asus has been horrible
[12:03] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm not dropping over a grand on a laptop whose quality i don't trust
[12:04] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, exact oppsosite for me ive been using asus my whole life
[12:04] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Best tech support ive ever had
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> i also looked at toshiba
[12:04] <Daisuke_Ido> certainly a possibility
[12:04] <genii> AhDiCt3D: Same here
[12:05] <mrksbrd> ok let me try it, what I'm trying to do is get my wifi card working
[12:05] <zimmo> does anybody where is the ZONES configuration file?
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: what model laptop?
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[12:05] <Daisuke_Ido> g1s
[12:06] <genii> mrksbrd: In that case if this tar file is something you think you need to get your wifi going, ask instead about: How do I get <such and such wifi card> working ?
[12:06] <mrksbrd> here is the msg I got...........
[12:07] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, Asus G1S
[12:07] <mrksbrd> tar: firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> the G2P looks nice
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> i would actually consider it if their warantee is good enough
[12:07] <Daisuke_Ido> 2-year limited global hardware warranty
[12:08] <Daisuke_Ido> looks nice
[12:08] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, It is a great laptop...
[12:08] <genii> mrksbrd: If you see this file on your desktop, then do first: cd ~/Desktop                  and then the tar -xvzf firefox-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.gz
[12:08] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, I'll just go out and buy a supported wireless card and wait a while for the pkgs to get updated it works under gutsy not feisty though
[12:09] <XcercaX> is this the official Kubuntu channel ?
[12:09] <genii> put the word sudo before tar, incidentally
[12:09] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[12:09] <genii> mrksbrd: Installing firefox will not make your wifi work, incidentally
[12:10] <Daisuke_Ido> AhDiCt3D: what's the price range?
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> because i can't see a way to purchase direct from asus
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=1666&l1=5&l2=133&l3=455&l4=0
[12:11] <Daisuke_Ido> THAT looks nice
[12:11] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, i got mine from best buy $1750
[12:12] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, mine has an HDMI port 2gb ram core2duo 2.0ghz real nice
[12:12] <Daisuke_Ido> i have issues with best buy -_-  and i will never deal with the geek squad
[12:12] <genii> Yes, Best Buy = evil
[12:12] <mrksbrd> yes i realize that, just figured attempting to install firefox would be easier than attempting to get a piece of hardware to work......baby steps
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[12:13] <genii> mrksbrd: Ah, so practicing :)
[12:13] <mrksbrd> 2nd day with linux!!!!
[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> mrksbrd: then congratulations
[12:13] <mrksbrd> coming ovr from windows, so this is all greek to me
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> you're making an effort to learn, which is 100x more than most users would do.
[12:14] <AhDiCt3D> Daisuke_Ido, they were crappy i must agree tried to get us to buy all this crap but we just wanted the laptop cuz they are nearby and if we got probs we got a lawyer standing buy and all
[12:14] <mrksbrd> i'm just glad there are helpful ppl here....lol
[12:14] <Semilios> Hi
[12:14] <Semilios> I just started the Kubuntu 7.04 Live CD
[12:15] <AhDiCt3D> How the heck do i just fdisk my damn drive i got 2 partitions locked
[12:15] <mrksbrd> ok brb, let me se if i can get this to work
[12:15] <Semilios> when using the live cd on my laptop, there was an INSTALL ICon
[12:15] <Semilios> on the desktop
[12:15] <Semilios> but on this machine there is no INSTALL Icon
[12:15] <Semilios> whats wrong_
[12:15] <Semilios> can I start the install wiyard with a command from the shell?
[12:15] <zimmo> where can i create zones on Linux?!