[12:13] <horsewhip> Anyone got a Kabylake XPS 13"?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:29] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse
[12:30] <ducasse> all good?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> yup, and you ?
[12:30] <ducasse> good, quiet day. really cold out, so staying inside.
[12:33] <BluesKaj> right
[12:35] <ducasse> BluesKaj: how's your weather?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> -11 and clear atm, there?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> sun's is rising
[12:37] <ducasse> a little colder, grey and foggy.
[13:44] <daftykins> horsewhip: i have clients with it
[13:44] <daftykins> own the skylake model myself
[13:47] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins .....?
[13:48] <daftykins> \o skylake (6th gen) and kaby lake (7th gen) intel core CPUs in Dell XPS 13 laptops this is :>
[13:48] <daftykins> 9350 and 9360 models respectively
[14:08] <horsewhip> daftykins: How do you find it? I hear reports of the scaling going awry when connected to external displays.
[14:09] <daftykins> ah well i tell people not to get the QHD models, 1080p is best for battery life
[14:11] <horsewhip> Work are getting me a QHD one.
[14:12] <daftykins> mistake :) scaling fun will result
[14:12] <daftykins> what's your DE of choice?
[14:14] <horsewhip> IntelliJ / Vim / Sublime
[14:15] <daftykins> desktop environment was what i was aiming for :) Unity/KDE/etc
[14:15] <daftykins> i've always heard Unity is good for displays where scaling will be needed
[14:15] <horsewhip> hahah, opps – I'll stick with whatever it ships with.
[14:16] <horsewhip> Unity, I beleive.
[14:16] <daftykins> oh right so it'll be the factory install on the developer edition?
[14:16] <horsewhip> Yup
[14:17] <daftykins> i buy from Dell UK, so the Outlet is amazing for me - dell.co.uk/outlet - i got my XPS13 for £580 delivered when they were £999 new still on the site
[14:17] <horsewhip> I'm UK based too – thanks for the heads up – I'll take a look.
[14:18] <horsewhip> Well, I'll take a look when I want to replace my personal laptop.
[14:18] <daftykins> :>
[14:19] <daftykins> just got a couple of XPS desktops for clients too for £600 delivered, i7 6700/16GB RAM/GTX 960 graphics/256GB M.2 SSD/2TB HDD/etc
[14:19] <daftykins> they really are great at times :>
[14:22] <horsewhip> Although they've got the XPS 13 - 9360 in stock at the outlet store, so might be sooner rather than later!
[14:23] <daftykins> yeah it comes and goes :> once you go into one you get whether it's a "certified refurbished" or a "scratch and dent" which have always had really minor damage for me
[14:29] <horsewhip> hmmmm, with an extra 10% off.
[14:56] <horsewhip> Shame it ships with windows though.
[14:56] <horsewhip> (I'm pretty lazy when it comes to faffing with computers)
[14:58] <daftykins> you could image up the one you're getting from work and just clone it over, then change the hostname and any keys
[15:01] <horsewhip> Surely all the Dell wotnot they ship installed on their Ubuntu laptops exists in a PPA somewhere...
[15:04] <daftykins> yeah i think it's passworded though or something awkward
[15:04] <daftykins> or the key doesn't import - this was ages ago though
[20:53] <EriC^^> hi all
[21:10] <pauljw> hey EriC^^
[21:10] <EriC^^> hi pauljw
[21:10] <pauljw> :)
[21:11] <EriC^^> how's it going? :)
[21:11] <pauljw> everythings good here, you?
[21:11] <EriC^^> same thanks
[21:21] <daftykins> \o hi hi


[00:39] <zzz2009> I am setting up a server, the system has 4 500Gb drives, I am thinking of setting them up as a raid 0 which should give me about 2Tb of disk.
[00:39] <zzz2009> I was thinking of partioning: 100mB ext2 - /boot, 100Gb ext4 - /root, 100Gb ext4 - /var, 1Tb ext4 -/home
[00:39] <zzz2009> Is his a reasonable setup, for a mail/samba/apache server?
[00:39] <zzz2009> There are no local users.
[00:39] <zzz2009> possible global shared space,
[00:39] <debio264> I just installed slapd on Karmic and I have no idea what the admin password is
[00:39] <debio264> dpkg-reconfigure slapd doesn't set it anymore, it would seem
[00:40] <yann2> zzz2009, no, it is not :)
[00:40] <debio264> so I'm not sure how I should procede
[00:40] <yann2> with the raid0, the first disk failure would make you lose all your data
[00:40] <yann2> use raid5 at least, raid10 if you care about performance
[00:41] <zzz2009> OK, but it gives me the largest sapce + best speed
[00:41] <zzz2009> sapce = space
[00:42] <yann2> yes
[00:43] <yann2> just be aware that you lose one disk, you lose everything, and disks tend to fail regularly ;)
[00:43] <zzz2009> raid5 gives me about 500-600Mb which leaves me wondering
[00:43] <yann2> ? no it will give you 1.5TB
[00:43] <zzz2009> how soon an upgrade will be needed?
[00:43] <yann2> why would you want 100GB for /root ?
[00:44] <zzz2009> I am missing something, when I tried to setup a raid 5 I wound up with about 550Gb,
[00:45] <yann2> with 4 disks in raid 5, you would lose one disk :)
[00:46] <zzz2009> sorry /roo should be just /, I was typing what i was thinking not what i meant.
[00:46] <zzz2009> /roo = /root , I need to learn to type
[00:46] <yann2> the rest seems fine, just dont put it in raid 0 ;)
[00:47] <yann2> I wouldnt use raid5 neither if the mailserver is going to be used a lot though
[00:47] <yann2> depends on your usage I guess
[00:47] <yann2> gotta go, good night!
[00:47] <zzz2009> thanks yann2
[00:50] <zzz2009> f not raid 5 what then
[00:51] <yann2> raid10
[00:51] <yann2> but you need hardware that supports it (not sure you can do a soft raid 10?) and you would have only 1TB all together
[00:53] <qman__> you can do soft raid 10
[00:59] <qman__> but raid 5 performs pretty well, only really high traffic servers will need more performance than that
[00:59] <qman__> it depends entirely on the level of activity you expect
[00:59] <qman__> number of users, number of emails, files on the samba share, etc...
[01:07] <ninnypants> I had wemin 1.45 installed on my server using port 10000 and I unstalled it but when I try to install 1.49 it says that port 10000 is already in use why  is this?
[01:28] <twb> RAID5 has better read and worse write speed than RAID10, I heard.
[01:28] <twb> ninnypants: we don't support webmin here, sorry.
[01:28] <twb> ninnypants: it would be reasonable to assume that something is already using that port.  ss or netstat will tell you what it is.
[01:29] <JanC> if you want remote admin over HTTP for your site, install AjaxTerm behind SSL with server + client keys  ;-)
[01:36] <twb> javascript isn't http, grumble
[01:37] <twb> Do those web-based terminal emulators just do a normal socks5 tunnel over 443?
[01:38] <twb> (Or whatever; I've yet to find a box that I couldn't do ssh/putty -oPort=443<EMAIL_ADDRESS>from.
[01:39] <twb> I'm forced to deploy webmin at work because of our retarded business model, where the customer pretends they can administer their own server.  AFAICT all they really need is a way to add and remove users, which could surely be done better by configuring libpam-ldap correctly or something.
[01:40] <twb> They also make me install ubuntu-desktop on servers, because "they're used to Microsoft SBS, so we need a GUI on the server in case they connect a monitor to it"
[01:40] <twb> So these boxes are sitting here starting mDNS and shit like that when they boot, sigh...
[01:41] <ninnypants> twb: the feedback that net stat gives is udp        0      0 *:10000                 *:*                                 13040/perl
[01:41] <JanC> twb: if you break things with something like AjaxTerm, at least you can be sure it's your own fault, webmin will do that without your help  ;)
[01:41] <twb> ninnypants: which says that a perl process (PID 13040) is using it.
[01:41] <twb> JanC: I *really* do not need to be convinced that webmin is utterly, utterly the wrong thing.
[01:41] <twb> If you want a giggle, run lintian on the deb sometime
[01:41] <twb> I think they manually build it with ar and tar
[01:42] <JanC> twb: in reality, checkinstall probably...?
[01:42] <twb> Shrug
[01:44] <JanC> anyway, webmin breaks Debian/Ubuntu, so don't use it
[01:46] <twb> webmin breaks other systems, too
[01:46] <JanC> I have no experience with that  ;)
[01:46] <twb> Are you a chef/puppet fan?  At one point, we considered writing a web UI for it, i.e. basically it looks like webmin, but it writes manifests.
[01:46] <twb> But we didn't have the budget for it
[01:52] <ninnypants> what is a good one to use then?
[01:53] <twb> There are no good web administration tools
[01:53] <twb> Officially Ubuntu recommends e-box, but I'm unimpressed with it
[01:57] <ninnypants> is there a decent one that handles mysql?
[01:58] <blak111> phpmyadmin?
[01:59] <StrangeCharm> using the karmic server RC, after attempting an install with encrypted lvm (and an unencrypted /boot in a normal partition), grub tells me 'error: no such disk'. what have i done wrong?
[02:00] <twb> "decent" and "mysql" don't belong in the same sentence
[02:00] <twb> StrangeCharm: boot a live CD and reinstall grub
[02:00] <twb> StrangeCharm: you can also ask #grub, but tell them you're using grub legacy (I assume 9.10 still doesn't use grub2).
[02:01] <StrangeCharm> twb, is there a live environment on the server disk?
[02:01] <StrangeCharm> actually, i seem to recall that 9.10 did use grub2
[02:01] <twb> I think there is; issue "rescue" at the boot: prompt.
[02:02] <twb> Personally I tend not to use d-i for rescue purposes.
[02:02] <StrangeCharm> twb, looks like grub2 is default: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910overview#GRUB%202%20by%20default
[02:02] <twb> I have had the most luck with the CentOS 4 and 5 live CDs, since they have LVM and md RAID support pre-installed, as well as openssh-server (though it doesn't start by default).
[02:02] <twb> OK, good to know.
[02:03] <StrangeCharm> is there a command i can give grub to ask it to boot a cd, or should i just reboot?
[02:04] <twb> You need to rebot
[02:04] <twb> *reboot
[02:04] <twb> Personally I am completely fed up with grub
[02:04] <twb> Nowadays I deploy extlinux where I can
[02:05] <StrangeCharm> what's extlinux got over grub?
[02:06] <twb> StrangeCharm: it works in some md RAID failure modes that grub completely shits itself for
[02:06] <twb> Because extlinux doesn't write an internal table of disks -- it just bootstraps the disk it booted from.
[02:07] <twb> This is extremely useful when e.g. sda is dead and the BIOS "helpfully" renames sdb to sda, so that if the MBR on sdb tries to bootstrap (hd1), it will fail because there's only an (hd0) now.
[02:08] <ScottK> 9.10 uses grub2 for new installs, but not upgrades.
[02:09] <maxagaz> how to apt-delete the cache ?
[02:09] <StrangeCharm> this si a fresh install
[02:09] <StrangeCharm> *is
[02:12] <StrangeCharm> twb, what's a command for installing grub2?
[02:13] <smoser> kirkland, i put the euca2ools build up in my ppa now, but haven't tested it yet.
[02:14] <ScottK> StrangeCharm: If it's a fresh install of karmic, you have grub2.
[02:15] <StrangeCharm> ScottK, agreed, but it's not booting, so i want to make changes such that it will
[02:15] <ScottK> Right, but that's nothing to do with installing
[02:17] <StrangeCharm> ScottK, twb's instructions were to reinstall grub. do you recommend a different course of action?
[02:18] <ScottK> I see. I missed that.
[02:18] <ScottK> No, I don't have any specific recommendations as I haven't had to troublshoot it yet.
[02:23] <zul> smoser: go to bed :)
[02:31] <twb> StrangeCharm: you need to mount / and /boot (e.g. /mnt/target and /mnt/target/boot) and then say grub-install --root-directory /mnt/target
[02:31] <twb> If you're lucky, grub-install will work
[02:31] <twb> If not, you have to run grub by hand and piss about
[02:32] <StrangeCharm> though, that is made difficult by the fact that / requires lvm and dm-crypt, which you've said are not installed
[02:32] <paul_whipp> Is it sensible to use AWS/Ubuntu server to host websites?
[02:33] <twb> StrangeCharm: you'd need to anna-install them or whatever, then
[02:33] <twb> StrangeCharm: although d-i might be smart enough to do that on its own
[02:34] <StrangeCharm> anna-install? d-i?
[02:34] <twb> debian-installer (d-i) is the technology the Ubuntu server install CD is based on.
[02:34] <twb> anna-install is d-i's equivalent of apt-get install.
[02:55] <StrangeCharm> twb, i take it that you won't be able to give me info about fixing grub?
[02:56] <twb> StrangeCharm: what more information do you need?
[02:58] <StrangeCharm> well, i'm at a grub rescue prompt. i think i know why it isn't booting: it's looking at the wring disk. i want to tell it to load the grub config from the right disk, then try booting with that.
[02:59] <twb> Ask #grub
[02:59] <twb> I can't be arsed going through that now
[03:13] <erichammond> paul_whipp: Yes, Ubuntu is an excellent choice for running web sites on AWS/EC2.
[03:14] <erichammond> (or anywhere else for that matter)
[03:54] <smoser> good night all.
[04:34] <foo> hm, ubuntu desktop 8.10 is hanging during the load up screen. I'm trying to boot for disk. gah, *looks for newer disk*
[04:34] <foo> hm, can't seem to find one
[04:35] <foo> any tips?
[04:35] <ScottK> foo: 8.10 or 9.10?
[04:35] <foo> 8.10
[04:35] <foo> it's older
[04:35] <foo> I figured it'd still work, this is a p4 box
[04:35] <foo> (and I don't have something newer lying around, apparently)
[04:36] <JanC> you can download everything newer for free ;)
[04:38] <foo> I know, it's time :)
[04:38] <foo> but I might do that if I can't get this working
[04:38]  * foo tries an auditor cd
[04:40] <ScottK> foo: 8.10 is about your worst choice.  Use 8.04 (the LTS release) or 9.04.
[04:40] <foo> auditor seems to be working
[04:40]  * foo waits to run dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda
[04:40] <foo> that will completely wipe the drive, I hope
[04:47] <twb> Given a server with timezone data on it, how do I dump what *it* believes are the data for a particular timezone?
[04:47] <twb> Ah, zdump.  Thanks, google and wiki.debian.org!
[06:01] <edulacomadreja> hi everyone!, i need some help with heartbeat...
[06:01] <edulacomadreja> the linux-ha channel is dead or something
[08:08] <fahadsadah> Have an Ubuntu Server box, with remctl-client
[08:08] <fahadsadah> This box already has Kerberos configured.
[08:09] <fahadsadah> It does not have rDNS.
[08:09] <fahadsadah> To fix this, it is in a VPN.
[08:09] <fahadsadah> With the KDC.
[08:09] <fahadsadah> Which has rDNS.
[08:09] <fahadsadah> The KDCs VPN broke.
[08:10] <fahadsadah> So, I added to /etc/hosts on the client box, kdc.ip.address.here kerberos
[08:10] <fahadsadah> (so, basically, no rDNS for my box)
[08:10] <fahadsadah> remctl: GSS-API error initializing context: Unspecified GSS failure.  Minor code may provide more information, Server not found in Kerberos database
[08:14] <simplexio> fahadsadah: kerberos dosent know any server named "kerberos" , try edit hosts file and add full domain name
[08:14] <simplexio> not that i know its the problem, its my best quess based on information given
[08:14] <fahadsadah> The FQDN is in there too.
[08:15] <fahadsadah> Also, server not found in Kerberos database usually refers to the KDC not finding a machine account for my box.
[08:15] <fahadsadah> There is one, and I can successfully kinit/kadmin as it with /etc/krb5.keytab
[08:18] <simplexio> so something changes between configurations, which caues that kerberos server dosent regonize client anymore
[08:18] <fahadsadah> Thanks, I'll have to look into this further.
[08:29] <kaushal> hi
[08:29] <kaushal> I have questions about https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/samba-ldap.html
[08:29] <kaushal> can i seek help here ?
[08:30] <Lunar_Lamp> kaushal: it's probably best to just ask.
[08:30] <Lunar_Lamp> (though I'll say straight away that I am far from an LDAP expert, so probably won't be able to  help you)
[08:34] <kaushal> Lunar_Lamp: when i run smbldap-populate
[08:34] <kaushal> i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/302630/
[08:34] <kaushal> I have ldap server running on the same server as samba server
[08:35] <kaushal> ldapsearch -x -H ldaps://localhost returns fine for me
[08:40] <alvin> I can't find the link to the rss feeds that track changes in Hardy and Karmic. Is there anyone who has it?
[09:09] <maxagaz> how to display the hardware spec of my server ?
[09:09] <maxagaz> like the System Monitor tool in desktop ubuntu
[09:14] <alvin> maxagaz: $ sudo lshw
[09:59] <StrangeCharm> i think that grub is looking at the wrong disk to read its config (&c) from, from a live environment that can mount /boot, on the right disk, what changes should i make to get it to look at the right disk/partition?
[11:41] <StrangeCharm> after a fresh install of the karmic RC, with several, distinct encrypted disks, i'm encountring a problem decrypting them at boot: when prompted for the passphrase for the disk that contains /, all goes well, but when prompted for the phrase for md0_crypt, the message "* Reloading /etc/samba/smb.conf smdb only" appears on the same line, before I am able to completely enter the phrase. why is this happenning? how can I stop i
[11:41] <StrangeCharm> t?
[11:44] <simplexio> i think you can still insert pass
[11:47] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, typing the phrase afterwards seems to have no effect
[11:51] <StrangeCharm> that is, the system does not move on, it just keeps waiting
[11:53] <soren> ttx: bug 461829
[11:53] <soren> ttx: Do you know the effect of that?
[11:53] <soren> ttx: It's hard to set the importance when I don't understand the impact.
[11:54] <soren> (Doing triage for stuff from today as well, since we're cutting it close enough w.r.t. the release)
[11:55] <StrangeCharm> soren: are there a lot of bugs still being reported from the rc?
[11:55] <soren> StrangeCharm: Sure.
[11:56] <StrangeCharm> soren, would you say that the rc is gererally buggy, or bug-free?
[11:56] <soren> StrangeCharm: Buggy.  Others not quite as well.
[11:59] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: you can get aroud it using key file on all other crypted partition exept root partition, just but files on root behind pass
[11:59] <soren> StrangeCharm: If I understood why you were asking, perhaps I could give a more useful response.
[11:59] <simplexio> off course then dont forget root partition passphrase
[12:00] <StrangeCharm> soren, what about the question stated thus: i am experiencing a problem. given my experience that ubuntu generally 'just works' should i expect that it's an actual bug, or that i'm doing something wrong?
[12:00] <simplexio> karmic for somereason couldnt mount all my partition on upgrade, so i think there is some work to do
[12:00] <soren> StrangeCharm: I don't know. What's the problem?
[12:00] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, putting keyfiles on the root partition sounds great, it'd be much more convenient only to have to enter one phrase. how do i do that?
[12:01] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: google "dmcrypt use keyfile" , i use passpharse only on home dir
[12:01] <zul> heylo
[12:01] <StrangeCharm> soren, at boot, for the second encrypted partition that's being mounted, after being prompted for the passphrase, another message comes up (related to smb) and i can't enter the passphrase
[12:02] <soren> StrangeCharm: "Can't enter" how?
[12:03] <StrangeCharm> soren, typing the phrase at that point hs no effect
[12:04] <soren> StrangeCharm: Are you sure? Perhaps it just doesn't echo anything. Try typing your password and hitting return, ignoring the fact that there is no feedback.
[12:04] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, are d-mcrypt keyfiles supported by the installer? i only recalled being able to choose 'passphrase' and 'random' for the key options.
[12:04] <elyezer> when trying to send an email from another computer to my email (postfix) server I get this message: THIS SERVER IS TO BE USED WITH AUTHENTICATION (#5.7.1)> #SMTP#
[12:04] <elyezer> in the return email with the error,what could be?
[12:04] <StrangeCharm> soren, how long after that point should i wait for something to happen?
[12:04] <elyezer> locally I can send and receive
[12:05] <soren> StrangeCharm: Not long.
[12:05] <soren> StrangeCharm: Wait a few seconds and see .
[12:06] <StrangeCharm> soren, nothing happens for a few minutes
[12:06] <soren> StrangeCharm: Then it's probably a bug.
[12:07] <StrangeCharm> soren, where do i report it?
[12:07] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: um.. you can do it by hand
[12:07] <soren> StrangeCharm: Launchpad. Probably against cryptsetup.
[12:07] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: lets see if i still have link to howto
[12:08] <soren> StrangeCharm: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+filebug
[12:08] <soren> StrangeCharm: Oops, sorry.
[12:08] <kwork> is it safe to restart udev ?
[12:08] <soren> StrangeCharm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+filebug
[12:08] <kwork> udevd for some reason takes 100% of cpu
[12:08] <kwork> i wonder is it safe to restart it from init ?
[12:09] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: what mountpoints you have crypt ?
[12:09] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: i have / and home on crypted partitions. so at start i just insert / pass, and then manually mount /home after it
[12:10] <simplexio> so my setup isnt automatic, but it works
[12:10] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, [ sawp, /, /tmp] on the disk i can enter the phrase for, [/var /var/log /var/mail and /home] on another disk, and [/data] on the disk on which i'm getting interrupted
[12:11] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, well, you could automate it with a small script
[12:12] <simplexio> StrangeCharm: i have 9.04, and it has "bug" that i dosent bring my raid5 setup up correctly so thats reason why i do it manually
[12:13] <simplexio> there is probably some fix, but no time or intres to fix it
[12:22] <simplexio>
[12:22] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, is the raid encrypted?
[12:23] <simplexio> yep
[12:23] <StrangeCharm> simplexio, which bit isn't getting mounted right?
[12:29]  * soren lunches
[12:31] <StrangeCharm> are any of the encryption methods in the installer suitable for automatic decryption based on keyfiles?
[12:39] <StrangeCharm> is it possible to to move a mount point (like /var) to another disk, after intallation?
[12:46] <sommer> morning
[12:48] <bogeyd6> StrangeCharm yes it is
[12:49] <bogeyd6> StrangeCharm https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MoveMountpointHowto
[12:57] <StrangeCharm> how can i (indeed, can i) reconfigure an existing dm-crypt partition that is currently mounted with a passphrase, so that it is instead mounted with a keyfile?
[12:57] <brewmaste> I'm setting up a high availability cluster with 2 load balancers (1 being a failover) and 2 webservers. How many or what type of SSL certs do I need to buy to let people connect with https?
[12:58] <soren> kirkland: A while ago, you mentioned something in #ubuntu-devel about Richard Hughes had found a solution to "the encrypted-swap/hibernate" problem.. Do you have a bug reference for that? It sounds very interesting.
[12:58] <kirkland> soren: yeah, on sec...
[12:58] <soren> kirkland: Cool, thanks.
[12:59] <kirkland> soren: I don't want to over sell this ....
[12:59] <soren> too late :)
[12:59] <kirkland> soren: he simply patched gnome *not* to offer to hibernate, if encrypted swap was detected
[12:59] <kirkland> soren: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23196
[12:59] <soren> Ahah.
[13:00] <soren> did we merge that?
[13:00] <kirkland> soren: not for karmic, i don't think, pitti thought it was a little too invasive
[13:00] <kirkland> soren: we'll have it for lucid, of course
[13:00] <kirkland> soren: and as far as the *real* problem goes, I think kees or jdstrand or mdeslaur might take a look at getting hibernate working with encrypted swap for lucid, perhaps
[13:01] <kirkland> soren: i'm trying to lean on them about it, at least
[13:01] <soren> kirkland: I'm not sure how that would work?
[13:01] <kirkland> soren: there's a few propositions
[13:01] <kirkland> soren: currently, we're randomly generating a swap key every boot (at least in the default enc swap setup, if you enc home)
[13:01] <soren> kirkland: right.
[13:02] <kirkland> soren: we could opportunistically wrap that random key when you login, in PAM
[13:02] <kirkland> soren: and store the wrapped key in LUKS
[13:02] <kirkland> soren: we could do that for at least a couple of users
[13:02] <soren> I thought about that, but how would that work for resume?
[13:02] <kirkland> soren: allowing any one of the valid, logged in users this boot to resume from hibernate
[13:03] <kirkland> soren: we'd need to teach initramfs to obtain that password, and unwrap the LUKS contents
[13:03] <kirkland> soren: there will necessarily be a password prompt on resume
[13:03] <soren> kirkland: You don't know if there's anything to resume before you decrypt it, so you have to always ask for the passphrase..
[13:04] <kirkland> soren: hmm, on cold boot?
[13:04] <soren> Unless of course you store a bit on the root filesystem saying that there's stuff to be resumed.
[13:04] <soren> kirkland: Yes.
[13:04] <kirkland> soren: right, that's the presumption
[13:04] <soren> Ok.
[13:04] <foo> ubuntu server 7.04 is hanging on usbhid: v2.6:USB HID core driver, any ideas?
[13:04] <foo> (during an install)
[13:04] <soren> It doesn't have to be in the initramfs, though, but I see what you mean.
[13:04] <kirkland> foo: 7.04?  really?
[13:04] <foo> kirkland: yup
[13:04] <soren> foo: Noone will care.
[13:04] <kirkland> foo: not sure, but 7.04 has been unsupported for a few years now
[13:04] <soren> foo: 7.04 went out of support almost a year ago.
[13:05] <foo> I've been doing some googling and tried with parameter irqpoll but that didn't to help
[13:05] <foo> oh
[13:05] <soren> foo: Don't use 7.04.
[13:05] <foo> err, I mean't 8.04
[13:05] <foo> my bad
[13:05] <soren> Ah.
[13:05] <kirkland> soren: yeah, one of the key design goals is *not* to prompt for any password on boot
[13:05] <foo> err, I mean 9.04
[13:05] <kirkland> soren: push that auth all the way back to GDM (or PAM as the case is)
[13:05] <foo> heh, wow... I think I even wrote it wrong on the CD
[13:06] <foo> Any thoughts? Google-fu is failing me
[13:06] <soren> kirkland: In a perfect world, we'd collect login credentials early enough to be able to use it for this, and then cache them and pass them to gdm.
[13:07] <soren> kirkland: In that case, there'd be no problem prompting for the password.
[13:07] <kirkland> soren: hmm, interesting
[13:07] <soren> kirkland: We already ask users for their password. What we want to avoid is asking *twice*.
[13:07] <soren> :)
[13:08] <kirkland> soren: in the encrypted LVM setup you mean?
[13:08] <soren> Yes.
[13:08] <soren> It would require being able to fire up X with a login screen without a rw filesystem.
[13:11] <soren> ...but that's hardly on-topic for this channel :9
[13:11] <soren> ":)", even.
[13:11] <kirkland> soren: heh, yeah
[13:12] <kirkland> soren: well, solving the encrypted swap hibernation problem is something i hope gets fixed for lucid
[13:12] <kirkland> soren: though i can't imagine i'll have time to work on it
[13:12] <soren> kirkland: Nah.
[13:16] <foo> gah, I can't seem to find anything helpful on google. it looks like others have been having this problem, though
[13:18] <garymc> [TK]D-Fender : What format have the ring tones got to be in and how do i add them?
[13:18] <soren> garymc: I'm going to guess you're in the wrong channel.
[13:19] <garymc> yeah good guess . sorry
[13:25] <soren> garymc: No worries.
[13:31] <zul> soren: fyi i fixed the opennebuela ftbfs last night
[13:31] <soren> zul: I saw. Thanks.
[13:34] <foo> well, making progress. Now ubuntu server 9.04 is hanging during install on input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input1. this is shocking
[13:36] <ttx> soren: about the populate_arp thing, I've no clue
[13:36] <soren> ttx: I'll defer to nurmi for an analysis.
[13:36] <soren> I guess he'll turn up in a few hours.
[13:37] <soren> I'm not sure what to do with the importance right now, though.
[13:38] <ttx> soren: by the way, duting triage day, you're supposed to triage bugs submitted yesterday, not necessarily the ones from today :)
[13:39] <soren> 11:54:24 < soren> (Doing triage for stuff from today as well, since we're cutting it close enough w.r.t. the release)
[13:39] <ttx> soren: cool, less work for me tomorrow :P
[13:39] <soren> In return you get to answer questions from me today :)
[13:39] <ttx> beh
[13:42] <soren> kirkland: can you triage bug 455901, please?
[13:43] <soren> kirkland: You're in a better position than I to ask for better feedback and such.
[13:43] <kirkland> soren: sure... can you move it over to qemu-kvm rather than kvm?
[13:45] <kirkland> soren: i marked it low, since the easy workaround is to use =1 cpu
[13:46] <kirkland> soren: and it's filed against jaunty/kvm-84; i suggest you ask them to test this against karmic/qemu-kvm-0.11
[13:47] <soren> kirkland: Good call.
[13:48] <kirkland> soren: i can do that, if you'd rather me do it
[13:49] <soren> kirkland: Nah, I'll do it.
[13:52]  * soren decides he needs gummy bears
[13:52] <soren> ...and coffee.
[14:00] <smoser> for anyone who didn't see amazon's announcement today, you can now get
[14:00] <smoser> instance type with 34GB and one with 68GB of memory for $1.20 and $2.40 / hour
[14:00] <kirkland> smoser: how many processors?
[14:00] <kirkland> smoser: url?
[14:01] <smoser> http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2009/10/two-new-ec2-instance-types-additional-memory.html
[14:01] <smoser> 4 and 8 cpu
[14:01] <smoser> but those are all fuzzy
[14:01] <smoser> they're measured in "EC2 Compute Units"
[14:01] <ttx> "Quadruple Extra Large", sounds like mcDonald advertising
[14:02] <smoser> yeah.
[14:02] <smoser> double secret probation
[14:02] <smoser> http://alestic.com/2009/10/ec2-4xlarge
[14:02] <smoser> thats erichammond's blog entry about it. he has /proc/cpuinfo for one of them.
[14:02] <elijahwright> those instance types are totally yummy.  the relational database service isn't bad either.   definitely good for a lot of biz uses.
[14:03] <smoser> yeah, the mysql is also cool.
[14:04] <smoser> and price also went down for the other types.
[14:04] <smoser> 8.5 cents per hour now for small
[14:04]  * kirkland needs to update his ec2-cost scripts
[14:04] <smoser> everything went down by 15%
[14:04] <smoser> for linux
[14:04] <ttx> smoser: is there an APi to query costs, so that kirkland doesn't need to update ec2-cost ?
[14:05] <smoser> i dont think so, but dont know for sure.
[14:07] <elijahwright> i'm pretty sure that there's not an API to calculate cost.
[14:07] <elijahwright> [someone writing a REST service to *do* that would be kinda cool, though...]
[14:18] <smoser> i think that rsync doesn't end up doing all that well with the compressed sparse tar files.
[14:18] <smoser> in regard to
[14:18] <smoser> rsync -aP uec-images.ubuntu.com::uec-images/karmic/20091027.1/karmic-uec-*.tar.gz .
[14:27] <soren> smoser: How do you compress them?
[14:27] <soren> smoser: "tar cvzSf" or some such?
[14:28] <soren> gzip wants --rsyncable in order for the compressed data to be... well, rsyncable.
[14:28] <soren> I don't know how to pass that from tar.
[14:30] <smoser> soren, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds/annotate/head%3A/build-ec2-image calls tar. passes --use-compress-program=gzip-rsyncable
[14:30] <smoser> gzip-rsyncable is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-on-ec2/vmbuilder/automated-ec2-builds/annotate/head%3A/gzip-rsyncable
[14:31] <smoser> i think its just that the images are so dense. there is some speed up, but rsync for the amd64 just averaged 290.49kB/s for me.
[14:32] <smoser> a lftp with pget would do as well or better than that on this link
[14:43] <zul> Nafallo: ping!
[14:43] <Nafallo> zul: pong
[14:44] <soren> smoser: Hm... Interesting experiment:
[14:44] <zul> Nafallo: which version of apache are you referring to for bug #460692
[14:44] <soren> smoser: Have you tried rsyncing the uncompressed image instead? Passing -z to rsync?
[14:44] <smoser> no.
[14:44] <Nafallo> zul: the server is running hardy, I checked that it still exist on karmic, so at least hardy to karmic I would assume :-/
[14:45] <zul> Nafallo: thanks
[14:46] <Nafallo> zul: does my "fix" seem sensible?
[14:47] <smoser> ttx, your bug 461301 comments really stink. we'll have to look at that in more depth shortly.
[14:47] <zul> Nafallo: yeah its probably easier to add the depends though ;)
[14:49] <Nafallo> zul: sure, and it would also make me less happy because it's a lot more ugly.
[14:49] <ttx> smoser: yes, there might be something fishy there
[14:50] <zul> Nafallo: yeah I know it would make me less happy as well ill look at it again in lucid
[14:50] <Nafallo> zul: oki
[14:53] <zul> Nafallo: obvouilsy its not going to get fixed for karmic ;)
[14:54] <Nafallo> zul: bah. coward ;-)
[14:54] <zul> Nafallo: good for an sru though
[14:54] <Nafallo> zul: want to keep track of that for me? :-)
[14:55] <zul> Nafallo: oh I will dont worry
[14:55] <Nafallo> awesome. thanks.
[15:33] <ttx> kirkland: did you have time to review the releasenote-potential euca bugs ?
[15:38] <acalvo> hi
[15:38] <acalvo> anyone could suggest a good ticketing system supported by ubuntu (and with LDAP, if possible)?
[15:38] <acalvo> I've been looking at osTicket, and is quite simple but there is no support for ubuntu
[15:39]  * soren calls it a day
[15:40] <acalvo> oh, soren, hi
[15:50] <ttx> zul: bug 449735
[15:50] <TeTeT> when starting the karmic image from UEC, it hangs waiting for /dev/sda2. see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302878/
[15:50] <ttx> zul: could you verify that against your proposed 3.4.2 and forward upstream if you can reproduce ?
[15:50] <kirkland> ttx: i did not have time to
[15:51] <zul> ttx: sure
[15:51] <TeTeT> any idea if that happens all the time or just in my cloud?
[15:51] <TeTeT> soren + smoser ^
[15:52] <ttx> kirkland: do you think you'll have more time today ?
[15:52] <ttx> or should I handle them ?
[15:54] <kirkland> ttx: probably better if you handle them.  i have a hard stop today
[15:54] <kirkland> ttx: and i'm testing the uec images
[15:55] <smoser> TeTeT, it will do that, yes.
[15:55] <kirkland> ttx: i spent yesterday verifying smoser's fixes, and tracking down a kvm issue that will need to be sru'd
[15:55] <smoser> you started with m1.small ?
[15:55] <ttx> kirkland: ok -- we can add more tomorrow anyway
[15:55] <TeTeT> smoser: yes, the default. Shall I use a different container?
[15:55] <smoser> TeTeT, it shouldn't hang terribly long though, right ?
[15:56] <TeTeT> smoser: well, for me it doesn't get out of this state at all
[15:56] <TeTeT> smoser: last instance I terminated after 15 minutes. I can leave this running for some more time
[15:56] <azteech> acalvo: in looking over osTicket summary, doesn't look like it matters what serverOS you are running. the only prerequisites are php mysql, and a server running apache. are you referring to there being no download for a ubuntu based server?
[15:57] <smoser> TeTeT, hm... you see that in console-output i guess ?
[15:57] <TeTeT> smoser: yes
[15:57] <smoser> its related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/ec2-init/+bug/458850
[15:57] <acalvo> azteech: when installing osTicket, you need to tweak some configurations to match ubuntu's base config
[15:57] <acalvo> it's not a major problem
[15:57] <smoser> TeTeT, can you euca-get-console-output $iid | pastebin ?
[15:57] <acalvo> but I really like to install packages that are supported by ubuntu
[15:57] <smoser> err.. pastebinit
[15:58] <acalvo> so, every time there a bug fix a minor update, I can run apt-get upgrade and get rid of problems
[15:58] <smoser> TeTeT, and is this 32 or 64 bit instance?
[15:58] <TeTeT> smoser: 32 bit
[15:58] <zul> ttx: i can reproduce it
[15:58] <ttx> on 3.4.2 ?
[15:58] <zul> yep
[15:58] <smoser> so 32 bit c1.small, right?
[15:59] <ttx> zul: i don't think that bug is upstream yet
[15:59] <TeTeT> smoser: yes, though how do I see if it's a 32/64 bit image?
[15:59] <ttx> zul: they have https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6829
[15:59] <zul> ttx: creating a share called thisisreallyreallylongshare doesnt get displayed
[15:59] <ttx> but that's about special chars in the share comment field
[15:59] <zul> ttx: it will be in a couple of momments :)
[15:59] <azteech> acalvo: understood. prefer that myself. but, from brief looking over the wiki and forum, there are others who are having to mod as well.
[15:59] <smoser> TeTeT,$ euca-describe-images emi-247011C0
[15:59] <smoser> IMAGE   emi-247011C0    i-20091027105900/karmic-uec-i386.img.manifest.xml      admin    available       public  i386    machine
[15:59] <smoser>
[16:00] <ttx> zul: make sure it's clear from description that its a client issue
[16:00] <zul> ttx: I will
[16:00] <acalvo> azteech: I know, but since, I usually ask here for advice, and then make a choice
[16:00] <ttx> if they consider 6829 critical for 3.4.3, I'm pretty sure yours should raise that game
[16:01] <TeTeT> smoser: ok, so it's 64bit, sorry for the confusion. The get-console-output is still the same as in pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302878/
[16:01] <zul> ttx: can you link bug 6829 to the samba bug in launchpad that has the russian character one is not being displayed properly
[16:01] <ttx> zul sure
[16:01] <zul> stupid uvirtbot trix are for kids
[16:02] <smoser> TeTeT, can i see 'euca-describe-instances i-3B23075F' output
[16:03] <smoser> and then 'euca-describe-availability-zones verbose' also
[16:03] <TeTeT> smoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302881
[16:03] <TeTeT> smoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302883
[16:04]  * ttx adds "do not upgrade samba" to his LTS good resolutions
[16:06] <smoser> TeTeT, what image is this ?
[16:06] <smoser> i cannot reproduce it on the 20091027.1 build
[16:07] <TeTeT> smoser: it comes from the UEC image store
[16:07] <zul> ttx: samba bug 6852
[16:08]  * zul kick launchpad
[16:08] <TeTeT> smoser: Ubuntu 9.10 Release Candidate for i386 (argh) 20091022
[16:08] <ttx> https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6852
[16:09] <zul> ttx: this would be a good situation to package a samba daily git tree in a ppa
[16:09] <smoser> TeTeT, thank you. well, either way, i'd really appreciate it if i could see this not on RC, but on this current build.  there were changes to mountall, and other changes also that could definitely have fixed this.
[16:10] <smoser> and i cannot reproduce with current "release candidate" :)
[16:10] <TeTeT> smoser: ok, I can d/l the current build and try again. what's the original d/l url? cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[16:10] <zul> smoser: i see the ssh keys in the console ;)
[16:11] <smoser> TeTeT, http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/karmic/20091027.1/
[16:11] <smoser> there are instructions on how to download and register with your cloud at
[16:11] <smoser> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/System/UECCloudImages
[16:21] <smoser> zul, what tests are you running ?
[16:21] <smoser> i'll avoid duplicate effort
[16:22] <zul> smoser: i did the single test for ec2 us. im going to finish that off after lunch but we want duplicate effort
[16:23] <smoser> i will do eu-west-1 region
[16:23] <smoser> doing the 4 tests there (amd64,i386 / single,multiple)
[16:24] <smoser> ttx, kirkland i've run the 20091027.1 on UEC, but i dont see any other results there. you guys running too ?
[16:24] <ttx> smoser: I've competed both tsets
[16:24] <ttx> tests
[16:25] <ttx> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3357/342
[16:25] <ttx> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/3358/343
[16:25] <smoser> ttx, apparently i cant read
[16:25] <smoser> or reload or something
[16:25] <smoser> thanks. i hadn't put my result on the amd64 and thought that i had, thus was expecting > 1
[16:26] <smoser> (there are now 2 on both)
[16:27] <zul> smoser: acked
[16:34] <zul> ttx: ours is a dupe of 6829
[16:35] <ttx> zul: interesting
[16:35] <zul> yep
[16:35] <ttx> zul: didn't look that way
[16:35] <zul> ttx: volker said it *shrug*
[16:37] <ttx> he knows better than we do.
[16:40] <quikone> Is this the right place to ask server/networking questions?
[16:40] <TeTeT> smoser: there's another problem in my UEC now, can't start any more instances.
[16:42] <TeTeT> quikone: just ask
[16:43] <smoser> TeTeT, well, based on your availability-zones verbose output (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302883) you can only run 2 instances at once
[16:43] <TeTeT> smoser: I terminated all instances, it's a different problem. I haven't been able to reproduce it reliably, but I get timeouts from walrus when it happens
[16:44] <quikone> I have removed network manager in favor of network administrator, since then I cannot access my websites locally or remotely.  Any ideas on how to resolve
[16:44] <smoser> TeTeT, kirkland or ttx are probably more help with that.
[16:45] <TeTeT> smoser: the instance is in pending all the time. Restarting the NC sometimes helps
[16:45] <smoser> but please do make sure you're running the most recent stuff. i know that there were arbitrary (low) timeouts in some cases previously.
[16:46] <TeTeT> smoser: I've updated everything, it's yesterdays image plus updates on the front end and NC
[16:47] <Reepicheep> quikone: did you change IP addresses?
[16:47] <quikone> Yes
[16:47] <Reepicheep> have you restarted the web server?
[16:48] <quikone> Not recently, although I have restarted networking
[16:48] <Reepicheep> not reboot .. but just restart the web server (apache, lighttpd, ..)
[16:48] <smoser> TeTeT, thank you.  ttx, kirkland, you have any thoughts on that problem?
[16:48] <quikone> No Ihave not
[16:49] <Reepicheep> it may be binded to the incorrect IP
[16:49] <Reepicheep> also double check firewall rules if you set rules to the old IP address
[16:49] <quikone> okay. I will restart.  just apace2?  Or more?
[16:50] <Reepicheep> just apache should be fine
[16:51] <quikone> This could be it;  (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:443
[16:51] <quikone> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[16:53] <Reepicheep> quikone: "netstat -tapn | grep LISTEN" will show you what is listening on what ports and by what processes
[16:56] <quikone> I don't see apache2 listening anywhere??
[16:57] <Reepicheep> quikone: make sure it's running.  Check the logs to make sure it isn't erroring on startup
[16:57] <Reepicheep> like maybe it is trying to bond to the old IP which doesn't exist anymore
[16:58] <quikone> That would be my guess, how do I get back to the config files
[16:58] <ttx> smoser: no time sorry
[16:59] <ttx> TeTeT: doesn't ring a bell
[16:59] <TeTeT> ttx: it's fine. now the cloud stopped working completely. I'm calling it a day and see what tomorrow brings
[17:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: hey - question about kvm - which files is used for the bios?
[17:03] <ninjah> Is ebox worth using?
[17:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'd like to replace the bios with one the gpxe version - so that I don't need to chainload the boot loader
[17:05] <alvin> ninjah: eBox looks nice, but in my personal opinion, it is not finished yet. It's also very Windows-minded. (no NFS for example)
[17:06] <ninjah> alvin: Hmm... I was a fan of webmin for some things. I was told to switch to ebox.
[17:07] <alvin> ninjah: I never used webmin. I will probably test out eBox again in the future, but now, it just can't do the things I want.
[17:08] <alvin> (like NFS, and ldap address book)
[17:08]  * alvin is going home
[17:08] <DrNick_> i'm not a fan of ebox
[17:10] <DrNick_> i vaguely remember trying it, and it installing a whole bunch of junk with it.  i wouldn't say it is any better than webmin (which i dont find that amazing either :p)
[17:14] <ninjah> DrNick_ I thought webmin was cool. Easy way to allow someone to configure a box if they don't know Linux
[17:14] <DrNick_> yeah its not bad
[17:17] <flagg0204> didnt care for ebox myself, nor webmin for that matter.  but it does have it place for allowing novices to work with some of the more complex elements of linux
[17:18] <DrNick_> agreed
[17:23] <jjohansen> smoser have you gotten a chance to do any testing on those EC2 test kernels yet?
[17:23] <mrchrisadams> i appreciate the irony of asking this in a ubuntu server channel, but... what's GUI equivalent to fdisk/partman in stock ubuntu?
[17:24] <ninjah> haha... Don't know if I've ever seen a GUI partition tool
[17:24] <smoser> jjohansen, :-(
[17:24] <smoser> sigh
[17:25] <jjohansen> well we are all busy, its not like I have manage to get it uploaded to eu region either
[17:25] <smoser> mrchrisadams, gparted ?
[17:29] <mrchrisadams> smoser: I'm using ubuntu jaunty
[17:29] <mrchrisadams> system > administration  > (should it be here?)
[17:29] <smoser> mrchrisadams, maybe i'm missing something: http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/gparted
[17:30] <smoser> you might need to 'apt-get install gparted'
[17:30] <smoser> i dont know where it'd show up. i'd just run it from command line.
[17:34] <DrNick_> there is gparted yes, but that requires X11 installed.  you could try 'cfdisk' instead of strait 'fdisk' - it provides a menu driven interface - very easy in my experience
[17:36] <jsalisbury> I performed an apt-get dist-upgrade to get to the RC.  Is there a way to force another upgrade even if I'm already at the RC?
[17:36] <DrNick_> aside from that though, i normally use lvm for all my volume management, so most drives i stick in a server don't have a partition table as such
[17:36] <jsalisbury> I want to see if this caused the issue specified in Bug #455625.  However as expected, re-running apt-get dist-upgrade says 0 packages to upgrade.
[17:37] <DrNick_> even with one disk, lvm makes sense
[18:09] <smoser> mathiaz, zul better late than never, bzr pull lp:~smoser/+junk/ec2-test
[18:09] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/+junk/ec2-test
[18:30] <kirkland> ScottK: ping
[18:37] <bdmurray> zul: wrt bug 458637 should samba be able to access windows 7 shares?
[18:38] <zul> bdmurray: it should
[18:39] <bdmurray> zul: I've seen a couple of other reports regarding that specific issue.  Should I retitle that bug and make them dupes or do something else?
[18:39] <zul> retitle the bug and make them dupes
[18:40] <zul> we'll probably have to do an SRU for it
[18:49] <acalvo> hi
[18:49] <acalvo> anyone know how can I reset/recover the admin password of a LDAP tree (not the config tree though)
[18:49] <acalvo> ?
[18:50] <ahasenack> acalvo: you mean the password of the rootdn dn?
[18:50] <acalvo> yes
[18:51] <ahasenack> acalvo: just change it in slapd.conf or, if using slapd.d, in a file inside that directory (I don't remember which one, but shouldn't be hard to find)
[18:51] <ahasenack> acalvo: it's the rootpw entry
[18:51] <ahasenack> acalvo: but, if there is no rootpw entry, then it means that rootdn has an entry in the directory itself
[18:51] <acalvo> mmm I'm gonna check it
[18:51] <ahasenack> acalvo: and the password should be reset in that entry
[18:51] <ahasenack> acalvo: I suppose you could add a rootpw temporarily in that case
[18:56] <bventura_> anyone know how to enable mysql warning logging on ubuntu?  I've tried setting 'log-warnings = 2' in my.cnf and it does not seem to work
[19:04] <Coosh> Is there anyway to see who is logged onto a pptp vpn in ubuntu? (aparantly logwtmp is broken ?)
[19:33] <quikone> Is there documentation somewhere to have multiple nics online and configured at the same time.  It seems that if one is up the other goes down.
[19:36] <billybigrigger> hey all
[19:36] <billybigrigger> anyone alive?
[20:05] <smoser> nekro_, ping regarding 461156
[20:10] <nekro_> smoser: I am unable to reproduce the problem. Eucalyptus should handle safe as well as unsafe b64 encoding in the latest upstream.
[20:11] <smoser> it absolutely reproduces with current karmic versions
[20:11] <nekro_> smoser: I don't know what to tell you.
[20:11] <smoser> you see the stack trace? it looks at least reasonable that it would fail there.
[20:12] <smoser> in the code i'm looking at
[20:12] <nekro_> smoser: yep. there was an issue at some point. Not sure which revno it was fixed in (a while ago so not sure why you see in with the latest karmic)
[20:14] <smoser> where do i get upstream revision control from ?
[20:14] <nekro_> smoser: lp:eucalyptus/1.6
[20:14] <nagappan> hi cr3
[20:15] <nagappan> cr3, I'm here :)
[20:15] <cr3> can someone recommend documentation about running two dhcp servers on the same network? is it even possible without wrecking havok?
[20:15] <cr3> nagappan: cool, now we wait for the gods to answer. I can be the virgin we offer as a sacrifice
[20:17] <nagappan> cr3, :D
[20:18] <_ruben> cr3: with which goal in mind? dhcpd supports clustering
[20:20] <cr3> _ruben: personally, I'm just curious. nagappan has another use case where he would like one dhcp server to offer static addresses and another dynamic addresses
[20:20] <smoser> kirkland, can you reproduce that bug ?  It is as easy as removing 2 lines in euca-run-instances, and then running: ec2-run-instances -k mykey --user-data " << FOO >" ${EMI}
[20:21] <smoser> nekro_, note, that you have to have patch/fixed euca-run-instances to not double encode data
[20:24] <_ruben> cr3 / nagappan : how would each dhcp server know whether or not to respond to a request?
[20:24] <calzifer> hi, i'm trying to run xvfb with jdownloader on my homeserver without x, but how can i connect on the xvfb ?
[20:24] <nagappan> _ruben, First DHCP server has to serve based on MAC address
[20:25] <_ruben> and i dont see why you cant use a single dhcp server which hands out both static and dynamic leases (since that's what i do at work)
[20:26] <guntbert> nagappan: don't use 2 dhcp servers if possible - they tend to get in each other's way
[20:27] <nekro_> smoser: I see. yeah I had an older version installed. I can reproduce it now, thanks.
[20:31] <nagappan> guntbert, okay
[20:32] <nagappan> guntbert, cr3 suggested me to write static ip in /etc/network/interfaces, let me try that out, this is our test system in VMware, after a batch of test is completed, we do reimaging (using Clonezilla)
[20:33] <nagappan> guntbert, I have set of scripts which run on each host, probably I can populate the data
[20:33] <cr3> nagappan: just to make sure, if you hard code the static IP address in /etc/network/interfaces, you won't need the second dhcp server on the network, right?
[20:34] <nagappan> cr3, we need it for reimaging by Clonezilla
[20:34] <guntbert> nagappan: sorry, I didn't follow - just jumped on the sentence with two dhcp servers - and of course it is possible to have one server to disk out fixed addresses and random ones
[20:35] <cr3> nagappan: so hard coding the static IP address might only solve one of your problems but, as suggested by guntbert, you probably shouldn't be running 2 dhcp servers. could you perhaps isolate both networks by vlan or something?
[20:36] <smoser> you could run 2 dhcp servers on one network, but you just want to make sure that for every MAC that the one is going to answer on , the other is going to ignore
[20:36] <qman__> yeah, things like clonezilla should generally be done on an isolated network
[20:36] <smoser> and vice versa. otherwise you're asking for confusion.
[20:36] <cr3> nagappan: if I may speculate, is the problem that you have one dhcp server managed by people outside your team and you need another dhcp server managed by your team for other purposes?
[20:38] <nekro_> smoser: I have confirmed that euca-run-instances --user-data works against amazon. I am adding this as an upstream task to fix
[20:38] <cr3> qman__: nagappan seems to have two nics per machine, so it should be feasible to isolate cloning to one physical network and the rest to the other more general network
[20:38] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[20:39] <smoser> nekro_, it is fairly high priority as a karmic-updates... user-data is generally broken without it
[20:39] <nagappan> cr3, second dhcp server maintained by our techops team
[20:39] <nagappan> cr3, fist dhcp server maintained by me, with Clonezilla setup
[20:40] <cr3> nagappan: aha! so there's probably a lot of overhead to implementing smoser's approach where you'd have to ask the techops team to specifically ignore each mac address you intend to server statically from your own dhcp server
[20:41] <smoser> i suspected that cr3 was correct.  it'd definitely be a pain to coordinate
[20:41] <cr3> nagappan: instead, you're probably better off isolating both networks, just using vlans if you happen to have that luxury or physically otherwise. then, both dhcp servers will not conflict with each other
[20:41] <smoser> i have done this before, but in a network where the "official" server only responded to known macs
[20:42] <smoser> so my dhcp server was free to respond to known macs that the first didn't know about
[20:42] <bventura_> anyone know how to enable mysql warning logging on ubuntu?  I've tried setting 'log-warnings = 2' in my.cnf and it does not seem to work
[20:43] <nagappan> cr3, sure
[21:13] <zul> mathiaz: do you have a suggestion for a fix for 462169?
[21:13] <mathiaz> bug 462169
[21:13] <mathiaz> zul: nope - not really
[21:27] <fbc-mx> What command would you use to tell ubuntu server to ping all the distros and use the closest one? Like the desktop does.
[21:29] <_ruben> ping doesnt relate to download speed at all
[21:31] <fbc-mx> _ruben, ok, then whatever wat the desktop determines it can I get the server version to?
[21:32] <pmatulis> huh?
[21:33] <fbc-mx> _ruben, ok then how to I get the server to use the closest distro is there some automated way of doing it like the desktop does?
[21:39] <pmatulis> archive.ubuntu.com
[21:48] <fbc-mx> exit


[00:46] <SpamapS> dcorbin_work: thats because those are *events* not states.. so you have to emit getUpdatesComplete *and* runlevel
[00:47] <SpamapS> dcorbin_work: if you want to check state, use pre-start...
[00:48] <SpamapS> dcorbin_work: [ "`runlevel`" = "N 3" ] || stop
[00:51] <SpamapS> wereHamster: yes start/stop , or the 'start on/stop on' clauses are the only things that will change a job from its default goal of stop to start.
[08:29] <wereHamster> SpamapS: does it mean I can edit the .conf file and upstart will start or stop it? Or do I have to explcitly tell upstart that I want the state changed?
[08:29] <SpamapS> wereHamster: if you edit the conf file, and then an event you listed in the start on or stop on is emitted, then the job will be started
[08:30] <SpamapS> wereHamster: the file changing wouldn't cause a start or stop on its own.. because upstart is event based, not state/dependency based
[08:32] <wereHamster> bummer :(
[08:38] <SpamapS> wereHamster: why bummer?
[08:38] <SpamapS> the behavior is well defined.
[08:39] <SpamapS> fairly easy to automate things when you can reliably predict the behavior.
[08:41] <SpamapS> wereHamster: good luck.. heading to bed
[09:58] <wereHamster> does upstart not source /etc/profile.d/*?
[11:06] <JanC> wereHamster: of course not, why would it do that?
[11:08] <wereHamster> because that's where I set $PATH, so it's avaiable to all users and scripts in the system
[11:08] <JanC> wereHamster: /etc/profile & ~/.profile are only to be read by a login shell...
[11:44] <JanC> wereHamster: maybe you can use the 'env' & 'export' stanzas to get the result you want?
[11:47] <wereHamster> yep, that's what I'm doing
[11:47] <wereHamster> but it's kindof duplication if I have to put the same path into two separate files
[11:47] <wereHamster> that's my only concern
[11:47] <JanC> you can maybe source it from the same file?
[11:48] <wereHamster> true. Or use exec bash --login -c .. in the upstart file
[11:48] <JanC> why do you need a special path BTW?
[12:01] <JanC> I guess you could also set & export $PATH in an initramfs (if you use one)?
[12:48] <wereHamster> because I'm installing software which is not in ubuntu, and am installing it into /opt
[13:43] <JanC> well, you can always use the complete path when referencing a binary
[17:46] <bdrewery> If I make a change to /etc/init/mysql.conf, will it get overwritten if I upgrade the mysql package?
[17:47] <bdrewery> got my answer


[00:33] <guiverc> read thru complete, suggestion of maybe dropping an "of" in blogo: winestaging 4.2
[00:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: re-looking :P
[00:43] <Bashing-om> guiverc: agreed ^^, and done .
[01:50] <Wild_Man> Bashing-om, its looking good
[02:56] <Bashing-om> Gerowen: UWN567 is up for proofreading: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue566 - wanna give it a looksee - recommend ?
[02:56] <Bashing-om> Gerowen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue567 !!
[02:58] <Gerowen> Sure I'll take a look at it, give me a few minutes to get settled in here I just walked in the door, :-)
[02:59] <Bashing-om> Gerowen: Lots of time yet :P
[04:01] <Gerowen> It looks good to me.  I did notice that the new testing images for 16.04.6 are mentioned in two different spots, but then I realized that one was directing to an article talking about it and the other was just an "FYI" kind of thing at the top under general news.
[04:14] <krytarik> Bashing-om: On skimming through it too right now, I notice you copied the thread prefix along with its title here: "[ubuntu] Ryzen Vega 8 integrated graphics issues"
[04:16] <krytarik> And this one belongs in the Planet section: "Launchpad news, July 2018 – January 2019"
[04:20] <krytarik> Gerowen: And yes, that's correct - official news vs blog.
[05:02] <Bashing-om> krytarik: K; will fix prior to pushing the big red button.
[05:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Bryan Quigley: 2020 Presidential Tracker now live @ https://bryanquigley.com/posts/politics/2020-presidential-tracker-now-live.html
[06:33] <guiverc_d> Gerowen, yeah I noticed that too, we could have linked as we do with releases, but I was loath to treat a test-request as a release request..
[06:35] <guiverc_d> (sorry krytarik - my comment was on my placing in general news & how I initially did it, it wasn't supposed to represent final placement)
[11:59] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: openSUSE Leap 15.1 Enters Beta Based on SLE 15 SP1, Final Release Lands May 2019 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-leap-15-1-enters-beta-based-on-sle-15-sp1-final-release-lands-may-2019-525078.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[13:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Canonical Preps Emergency Point Releases for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS & Ubuntu 14.04 LTS @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-preps-emergency-point-releases-for-ubuntu-16-04-lts-ubuntu-14-04-lts-525081.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[16:06] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Nvidia Releases Linux and BSD Graphics Drivers with GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Support @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/nvidia-releases-linux-and-bsd-graphics-drivers-with-geforce-gtx-1660-ti-support-525084.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[17:28] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) Enters Feature Freeze, Beta Available March 28th @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-enters-feature-freeze-beta-available-march-28th-525085.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[18:03] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: System76's Oryx Pro Linux Laptop Getting RTX Graphics and Larger Displays @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/system76-s-oryx-pro-linux-laptop-getting-rtx-graphics-and-larger-displays-525086.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[18:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Eric Hammond: AWS Solutions Update Feed @ http://feeds.alestic.com/~r/alestic-planetubuntu/~3/8BtO7jTRslI/
[20:12] <Bashing-om> "WIP" pulled, and "Launchpad news" moved to the Planet section. Target time to publish: 21:00 GMT.
[21:02] <Bashing-om> M/L is away ... doing the Forum post next.
[21:05] <Bashing-om> Forrun post done .. doing the re-directs.
[21:14] <Bashing-om> All caught up :) .. pending is the social media postings.
[21:16] <Bashing-om> Away for a spell .. Nephew got his Pickup stuck in the south 40. May be awhile !
[21:18] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Mageia 7 Linux Gets Second Beta Release with Linux Kernel 4.20, LibreOffice 6.2 @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/mageia-7-linux-gets-second-beta-release-with-linux-kernel-4-20-libreoffice-6-2-525087.shtml (by Marius Nestor)
[21:45] <guiverc> Wild_Man, are you publishing 567 to fridge?  has a second been given (I'll be it if waiting) or should I go (if so I need a 2nd first)
[21:52] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I say we can give it a go - Broken links ?
[21:53] <guiverc> i haven't started yet
[21:54] <guiverc> Bashing-om, i take it you're a yep (2nd) for fridge publish..
[21:54] <Bashing-om> Back from the south 40 - busted the starter motor - will await tomorrow to continue .
[21:54] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yepper ... fingers crossed for links completeing on the Fridge parsing :)
[22:00] <guiverc> one link to fix - launchpad news ... doing now
[22:00] <guiverc> (adjusting on fridge)
[22:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I did move that ... what did I mess up ?
[22:03] <guiverc> may not have been you - may be just characters in heading, I've had success (just re-copying link found top right on wiki to fridge; so your wiki link is good; it's ... who knows, general checking before publish now
[22:04] <guiverc> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/02/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-567/
[22:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Hokay :) .. no change then in what I check for on the WIKI .
[22:06] <guiverc> nope - my 'fix' came from the contents top right of wiki page; I just replace the wiki one over whatever is didn't work in fridge (script.copy, or issue wpadmin has; krytarik showed me that only recently)
[22:23] <Bashing-om> Clear to wipe Gdoc ?
[22:24] <guiverc> g+ tweet (mewe) & now fb done
[22:24] <guiverc> yep.
[22:25] <Bashing-om> clearing Gdoc - we do UWN568 :)
[22:28] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 567 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/02/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-567/
[22:38] <Bashing-om> And back to our regularly scheduled programming :P
[23:44] <Wild_Man> guiverc, I just got home
[23:47] <guiverc> :)  all done now, but thanks
[23:48] <Wild_Man> I figured it was
[23:55] <Bashing-om> Wild_Man: That guiverc - He is a fast one :P Pending yet is to hear from one slidinghorn to get reddit posted.
[23:55] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Fridge:: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 567 @ http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2019/02/25/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-567/ (by guiverc)


[00:41] <echoofyourvoice> hi guys, may i have a question? more of a general linux one but i'm on ubuntu specifically rn so it still applies
[00:44] <echoofyourvoice> is either the boot process or anything that runs afterwards dependent in any way on the /dev/sdx identifiers? my ssd decided to just up and die so i'm booting off a spare one connected via usb, i'm planning to just swap the messed up disk with that one as soon as i can, but i'm wondering if that will break anything
[00:50] <EriC^^> echoofyourvoice: no, typically filesystems are mounted via the fs uuid
[00:58] <Guest85> I have multiple wireguard conf's autostarting, and its causing conflict, so I want to remove the ones Im not using. They were all added with this code "systemctl enable wg-quick@wireguard-vpn-las-vegas", "systemctl enable wg-quick@wireguard-vpn-new-york" etc
[00:58] <Guest85> How can I view all of these wireguard autostarting programs, and remove the ones I dont need?
[01:06] <rbox> Guest85: systemctl | grep wg-quick
[01:06] <rbox> systemctl disable is the opposite of systemctl enable
[01:06] <Guest85> ty!!!\
[01:07] <Guest85> "systemctl | grep wg-quick
[01:07] <Guest85><EMAIL_ADDRESS>                                                                        loaded active exited    WireGuard via wg-quick(8) for wg1
[01:07] <Guest85>   system-wg\x2dquick.slice                                                                      loaded active active    Slice /system/wg-quick
[01:07] <Guest85> "
[01:07] <Guest85> hmmmm
[01:07] <Guest85> Does this mean I only have 1 service active, or 8?
[01:09] <rbox> wg-quick(8) is saying wg-quick is a man page in section 8
[01:15] <sem> ubuntu 22.04 I am trying to do apt install apt-config-auto-update. However I get the error 'cannot overwrite /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic. So I removed that file. But I get the same error. There are some old bug reports about this. I am not sure how to move forward? (I'm trying to get unattended upgrades to be able to automatically restart the server when needed)
[01:17] <rbox> sem: what is the full output
[01:18] <EriC^^> sem: i guess it refuses to overwrite it cause the file is owned by another package, you could install using dpkg with --force-overwrite if you're sure about it
[01:19] <rbox> looks like both apt-config-auto-update and update-notifier-common provide that file
[01:19] <EriC^^> sem: or with apt-get, sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install apt-config-auto-update
[01:20] <EriC^^> likely updates on the other package that owns the file would then cause problems again
[01:20] <rbox> apt-config-auto-update is a universe package, probably has a bug in it
[01:22] <sem> I am not really sure about it but I would like to use the software
[01:23] <Guest85> Well now im kinda more concerned
[01:23] <Guest85> because I removed all of the old .conf files
[01:23] <sem> this is the full output rbox https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hzFWTT2qgg/
[01:23] <Guest85> but I get connection issues upon bootup, sometimes hmmmm
[01:23] <Guest85> and have to reconnect
[01:24] <rbox> sem: yeah, like i said... bug in the package if 2 own the same file
[01:26] <EriC^^> sem: you could easily get the same effect if you run a simple command that checks if the /var/...restart-required file exists and then restarts after the upgrades run
[01:27] <sem> so like, modify the unattended-updates script so it has that extra bit?
[01:27] <EriC^^> if [ -f /var/run/reboot-required ]; then reboot; fi
[01:30] <EriC^^> not sure how to run something after unattended-upgrades finishes
[01:33] <EriC^^> sem: there's stuff already in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades about rebooting if the file exists and whatnot
[01:33] <EriC^^> seems an option you comment out
[01:34] <EriC^^> Automatically reboot *WITHOUT CONFIRMATION* if the file /var/run/reboot-required is found after the upgrade , uncomment the line below it and set to "true"
[01:38] <Guest85> 10/10
[01:39] <Guest85> Good job EriC^^
[01:39] <EriC^^> ty :D
[01:41] <sem> EriC^^, I thought that those items were only honored if the other program was installed
[01:42] <sem> reason I thought this was because when I logged into my server, it had been running unattended upgrades like it was supposed to, but then there were 78 upgrades it didn't try to install yet
[01:44] <EriC^^> yikes
[01:49] <Guest85> Hey guys, Im thinking it would be cool to have a Tray-icon which showed the WireGuard connection status, such as connected, disconnected, reconnecting. Any easy solutions for this? ubuntu 22.04.
[01:55] <Guest85> Do you guys think this still works? https://github.com/metalcated/Wireguard-Bravo
[01:55] <Guest85> Its 4 years old
[01:56] <Guest85> https://github.com/UnnoTed/wireguird
[01:57] <Guest85> This one is 3 months last updated... seems more promising.
[02:17] <Guest85> I'm having to re-connect my wireguard tunnel kinda frequenty, is there any way to auto-recconect?
[03:15] <towser> so, I have a ubuntu based vps running apache2 and if you visit its IP address it gives you my Wordpress installaion, how do I set it up so that instead of the IP address it uses my domain name I have?
[03:17] <enigma9o7> how do you have a domain name?  if that domain name already points to your ip, it should already work.  maybe specify the dns you know that has your domain name in it
[03:18] <towser> so I set the DNS of my domain to my VPS IP?
[03:49] <JellyOnToast> Hi, I'm using Wireguard on Ubuntu 22.04, I set a script to auto-connect upon bootup, but I dont seem to have internet until I re-connect the VPN manually. Secondly, I'm having to manually re-connect the VPN every 5-30 minutes or so, should I change ports, setup auto-reconnect, etc I think the second issue is more likely to be my local wifi being
[03:49] <JellyOnToast> congested causing issues than my VPS VPN server being bad.
[06:24] <belzerbud> What this is
[06:24] <belzerbud> lol
[07:43] <punkgeek> I have a bash script that needs to run 'netplan apply',  but it seems to have a permission problem. The bash script is being run by the cronjob, and I have already granted it execution permissions (chmod +x file)
[08:02] <weedmic> I have some *.md documents which I try to open in firefox, file open index.md, but it always opens in okular.  how do I fix that?
[08:10] <ElongMonk> HI im a windows user. i have an HP ryzen 5. am i better off with the LTS version or the newer version?
[08:11] <ravage> i would always try the LTS version first
[08:11] <ravage> less hassle with updating often
[08:11] <ElongMonk> will it make the most of my AMD laptop?
[08:16] <Wistful> @ElongMon: LTS will make the most of your AMD laptop.
[08:16] <vern> Hi
[08:24] <elias_a> ho, let's go! Go on and ask vern !
[08:48] <sudhackar9> Hey folks! has there been some change in the available kernel packages for ubuntu 14.04? I see a sharp decline in the packages published by Packages.gz with source "linux"?
[08:49] <sudhackar9> This kernel was recently available with source linux
[08:49] <sudhackar9> root@63f5308d1254:/# apt-cache policy linux-image-3.13.0-100-generic
[08:49] <sudhackar9> N: Unable to locate package linux-image-3.13.0-100-generic
[08:49] <sudhackar9> N: Couldn't find any package by regex 'linux-image-3.13.0-100-generic'
[09:41] <badutski> I was told to check here if I have encountered a legitimate bug, so what should I do now?
[09:49] <elias_a> badutski: Describe the details so we can verify the bug.
[10:30] <badutski> Hi elias_a,  problem is a btrfs raid1 fails mount on boot: device is missing
[10:30] <badutski> I'm trying to use a btrfs raid1 with 3 devices as persistent storage for a live boot ubuntu 22.04 with kernel 5.19.0-43-generic running in a QEMU/KVM.
[10:30] <badutski> mkfs.btrfs -L persistence -d raid1 -m raid1 -f /dev/disk/by-id/*-part1
[10:30] <badutski> The raid is created successfully, mounted and persistence.conf file is written to it.
[10:30] <badutski> When rebooting the raid fails to mount, 2 of the 3 devices are reported missing, see below. The raid can be mounted manually post boot, without any problems. Creating a single disk btrfs filesystem with the same persistence.conf file works fine. Adding a second disk to the filesystem results in the same type of error.
[10:30] <badutski> journalctl -g btrfs
[10:31] <badutski> Hi, problem is a btrfs raid1 fails mount on boot: device is missing
[11:53] <Xargon> Greetimgs, I installed Lunar on my Dell Inc. XPS 9320 but the touch bar is not working: it's lighted but whatever button I press does nothing. Any help?
[11:57] <ravage> does it work on 22.04?
[11:57] <ravage> https://ubuntu.com/certified/202112-29761
[11:57] <ravage> i think all dell devices are only certified for LTS releases
[12:08] <Xargon> yes, it was working
[12:10] <Xargon> so basically the solution is format and go back?If I keep my home folder I may clash some configurations as I am basically downgrading them?
[12:11] <weedmic> what does "lts release" mean?
[12:12] <ravage> !lts
[12:12] <ravage> Xargon: you can try to copy your home directory back. but downgrades are not supported in general
[12:13] <Xargon> my home directory is actually on a different partition
[12:13] <Xargon> I could move out the .directories in it maybe
[12:13] <ravage> make a backup first and then you can play around with it :)
[12:14] <Xargon> yeah, a bit big but doable
[12:15] <Xargon> or maybe if I am patient this changes will be part of Lunar sooner or later? how's the LTS cycle? which one will be the next LTS?
[12:15] <Xargon> But I think that Jammy was out last year, so it will be 4 years more
[12:16] <ravage> next LTS is 24.04
[12:17] <Xargon> yeah probably 3 years then
[12:18] <ravage> April 2024
[12:18] <ravage> it is in the version :)
[12:18] <Xargon> oh
[12:19] <Xargon> earlier thant I tought
[12:19] <Xargon> well but probably I'll have to downgrade as this is the computer I am using for work
[12:51] <Bombo> hi
[12:52] <Bombo> i noticed with ps there is gvfsd running, how is it started? i got lxqt, but nothing in the aurostart
[12:52] <Bombo> auto
[12:55] <JanC> Bombo: it's used by many Gtk applications
[12:56] <JanC> GObject applications even (some might not have a GUI)
[12:56] <Bombo> JanC: used ok, but when at what point is it started?
[12:56] <JanC> when it's needed
[12:56] <JanC> e.g. do you use a Gtk-based file manager?
[12:56] <Bombo> who needs it then ;) i killed gvfsd now, then started pcmanfm but it doesn't get started again
[12:57] <JanC> pcmanfm is Gtk, right?
[12:57] <Bombo> oh no it's qt hmmm
[12:58] <JanC> pcmanfm is Gtk, pcmanfm-qt is Qt, it seems
[12:58] <Bombo> yes i got -qt lxqt
[12:59] <Bombo> hmmm what could have activated it then
[12:59] <JanC> seems like pcmanfm-qt also has an optional ("recommended") dependency on Gvfs?
[13:00] <JanC> Bombo: do you use network filesystems or a phone/camera linked by USB or anything like that?
[13:01] <badutski> Hi, I have a problem with a btrfs raid1 that will not mount on boot because it claims some devices are missing, is this the correct venue to discuss this topic?
[13:01] <JanC> probably also used when you "mount" an ISO file
[13:01] <Bombo> JanC: i haved mounted remote fs via nfs
[13:02] <JanC> Bombo: from the file manager or system-wide?
[13:02] <Bombo> fstab
[13:02] <Bombo> normally i don't use pcmanfm
[13:02] <JanC> ah, fstab-mounted shouldn't use it
[13:06] <JanC> probably anything that uses Gtk file dialogs could start gvfsd also
[13:06] <JanC> as it shows Gio "locations"
[13:07] <Bombo> ok i wonder what started it
[13:08] <Bombo> gio list and gio mount -l show stuff, but still no gvfsd is started
[13:10] <JanC> using sftp: or http: or similar locations in pcmanfs likely would, as well as mounting filesystem/archive images in it
[13:10] <JanC> I would look into all the features it provides & se what applications use those
[13:11] <JanC> maybe it's the trash can...
[13:11] <JanC> (I don't know if pcmanfm uses that)
[13:13] <JanC> Bombo: did you see other gvfsd-* daemons too?
[13:16] <Bombo> JanC: yes gvfsd-fuse
[13:18] <Bombo> i open a qterminal, then sudo -i -u testuser, that user had gvfsd and gvfsd-fuse running
[13:18] <JanC> maybe try "gio list" next time you see it
[13:18] <Bombo> i use wine with that user, i just started winecfg but gvfs didn't show up
[13:19] <Bombo> aaah firefox! ;)
[13:20] <JanC> which uses Gtk file dialogs
[13:20] <Bombo> makes sense ;)
[13:20] <Bombo> lots of /usr/libexec/xdg-* started too now
[13:22] <JanC> snapped Firefox? then it's probably the bridging stuff that connects the application inside the container with the world outside it
[13:23] <Bombo> no just normal ff
[13:23] <Bombo> so it is automatically started when e.g. firefox starts, but it's still there after ff ha quit
[13:23] <Bombo> is there a way to kill it when it is NOT needed? just to know
[13:26] <JanC> you mean automatically?
[13:28] <Bombo> i killed dbus-launch for that user and everything is gone
[13:29] <Bombo> but yes auto if it's not used e.g. after 5 minutes, and the user is not logged in
[13:29] <JanC> no idea
[13:30] <Bombo> when i exited the qterminal with the sudo -i -u testuser, the gvfsd is still running and /usr/libexec/xdg-* stuff too
[13:40] <Bombo> so what i want to know now: how to get rid of all the gvfsd-* and xgd-* daemons after i exited the qterminal. these were started automatically, after i started the qterm, then 'sudo -i -u testuser', then firefox, but after i close the qterminal they are still running (until i kill dbus-launch for that user, as root)
[13:46] <Bombo> what hapened
[13:47] <Bombo> so what i want to know now: how to get rid of all the gvfsd-* and xgd-* daemons after i exited the qterminal. these were started automatically, after i started the qterm, then 'sudo -i -u testuser', then firefox, but after i close the qterminal they are still running (until i kill dbus-launch for that user, as root)
[13:55] <ForeverNoob[m]> Hello, I like unattended-upgrades, it's a really good concept and I wish more distros implemented such a mechanism, but... how can I run a script before the machine reboots after an update?
[13:56] <weedmic> om - please no - i need servers to work and research updates and test them before they are implemented on actual devices
[13:56] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: ubuntu does not automatically reboot after updates
[13:58] <ForeverNoob[m]> weedmic: I hear ya, but I'd like to err on the safe side and risk a little downtime from time to time.
[13:58] <weedmic> that kind of risk can end a vacation :D
[13:58] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: there is really no downtime with updates. Unless the update asks you to restart a service and you choose to do so
[14:00] <ForeverNoob[m]> leftyfb: Yeah that's partially what I meant. I know that some updates may break stuff, but I'd risk that instead of potentially becoming vulnerable to attack.
[14:01] <badutski> Hi, I have a problem with a btrfs raid1 that will not mount on boot because it claims some devices are missing, is this the correct venue to discuss this topic?
[14:01] <ForeverNoob[m]> Having said that, I can enable automatic reboot in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades right?
[14:02] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: why would you want to do that? Especially when you're trying to run a script after updates (why?) and want to reboot after said script. Just add the reboot as part of the script
[14:02] <ForeverNoob[m]> weedmic: I can't afford to go on vacations anyway so nothing is missed lol
[14:03] <ForeverNoob[m]> leftyfb: Good point of adding reboot as part of script. My main purpose of the script is a notification being sent to my phone (but not an e-mail, as I already noticed it had a mail mechanism)
[14:04] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: you know most carriers in the U.S. all have email addresses for sending a text to your phone right?
[14:06] <ForeverNoob[m]> I'm not in the US and I'd rather avoid text (costs money and is plaintext), I just curl to an HTTPS URL and it does the rest.
[14:06] <JanC> ForeverNoob[m]: you can just run it on every (re)boot then, I suppose
[14:07] <leftyfb> I also don't recommend constant reboots like this
[14:08] <JanC> it won't require a reboot for most updates?
[14:09] <leftyfb> only kernel updates require a reboot, and even then, if you enable livepatch, you don't need to reboot then either
[14:10] <ogra> ... well, systemd ones too ...
[14:10] <ogra> (but these are super rare)
[14:10] <ForeverNoob[m]> Yeah I don't think it does require a reboot every update, the way I understood it is that unattended-upgrades updates only on select updates (indeed kernel and perhaps also systemd or some deep stuff like that). Live patching would be nice but isn't that a premium service?
[14:11] <leftyfb> ForeverNoob[m]: it's free for personal use
[14:13] <ForeverNoob[m]> Oh interesting. even on multiple machines (simultaneously) ?
[14:13] <JanC> for a limited number of personal uses IIRC (but that should suffice for most people)
[14:14] <leftyfb> I think it's 3 or 5. More if you're an Ubuntu member
[14:14] <ravage> 5 5
[14:14] <ravage> !pro
[14:16] <ogra> livepatch is 3 machines ... pro itself is 5 ... https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch
[14:16] <ravage> well. that is a really strange decision
[14:16] <leftyfb> yeah, that was the confusing bit. Not sure why livepatch is only 3 when pro is 5
[14:16] <ogra> yes, agreed
[14:17] <ogra> livepatch is way older than pro i guess the policies have simply not been synced yet
[14:17] <ForeverNoob[m]> Aah damnit I have 4 machines haha. I'm always so lucky :P
[14:17] <ravage> well you can get it free without pro
[14:17] <ravage> with any ubuntu one account
[14:18] <JanC> livepatch is also more important for some machines than others
[14:18] <ogra> right, just create two accounts then it is six 😉
[14:18] <ravage> pretty sure that with pro you will also get 5
[14:18] <ForeverNoob[m]> lol true, hope Canonical doesn't find out :D
[14:18] <ogra> it might indeed just be that the lievpatch website is behind
[14:19] <JanC> if you have a LAN machine that isn't reachable from the internet, it might be less urgent to have the kernel patched quickly...
[14:20] <JanC> compared to e.g. a web/mail-server on the internet
[14:21] <JanC> it says "Livepatch is included in Ubuntu Pro." so I presume it would also be 5 then...
[14:22] <ForeverNoob[m]> True, but someone once told me that they administered their internal machines with the same level of security as their external ones and I kind of went with it despite it being more of a hassle.
[14:32] <NoImNotNineVolt> isn't that rapidly becoming a thing? zero trust architectures, etc?
[14:35] <JanC> but when you are limited to how many machine can use something (e.g. for cost reasons), you'll still have to make priorities...  :)
[14:37] <ogra> well, that limit is really an artificil one after all and only there to avoid abuse from *actual* large companies ... in the end it is them who pay for the free service that everyone else gets
[14:37] <leftyfb> run your servers as containers and you only need to worry about 1 kernel
[14:37] <ogra> heh, yeah
[14:51] <de-facto> why does the GUI update always try to blame my internet connection for the update manager design flaws? my internet is perfectly fine
[14:52] <de-facto> what has my internet connection do do with expiring cryptographic keys of apt?
[14:52] <de-facto> this is just beyond stupid to blame it on my _internet_ connection LOL
[14:54] <de-facto> maybe displaying the actual error instead of just turfing it away and blaming it categorically on my internet connection would be a more solution oriented approach?
[14:54] <de-facto> also why completely failing to update when just one repo key is expired?
[14:54] <de-facto> just ignore that and update the rest
[14:57] <de-facto> if just one expired key can prevent the whole system from receiving updates it will result in unpatched vulnerabilities for no good reason other than to blame "my internet connection" lol.
[14:58] <toddc1> de-facto: https://ubuntu.com/core/docs/networkmanager/snap-configuration/connectivity-check
[14:58] <de-facto> LOOOL
[14:58] <de-facto> what should i do with that?
[14:59] <toddc1> de-facto: it pings a site and if it fails it reports a internet fail but other sites may be fine  or turn it off
[14:59] <de-facto> aha and why would i want to do that?
[14:59] <de-facto> i am 100% certain my internet connection is absolutely fine
[15:00] <de-facto> its the stupid GUI updater architecture
[15:00] <de-facto> even apt on command line is _much_ more usable
[15:01] <toddc1> it lets you know there is a issue possibly local possibly outside I have it on so if it pops up I know to check my local system then ignore it if it is out side
[15:02] <de-facto> i am on a wired gigabit ethernet connection, it never failed even once
[15:03] <de-facto> its just the stupid GUI blaming every error it encounters on "internet connection"
[15:03] <nona> hi all!
[15:03] <ogra> de-facto, instead of ranting here ... ubuntu-bug update-manager
[15:03] <nona> where could i find out what the latest version of a specific package was in a really old release (such as bionic)
[15:03] <de-facto> though in reality its an expired GPG key, not anything with internet connection
[15:06] <alkisg> nona: rmadison package
[15:08] <nona> oh, alright, so i'd have to install ubuntu first. thank you, alkisg
[15:09] <alkisg> nona: if you tell me the package name, I can run the command for you
[15:16] <krytarik> nona: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu - could also look up the package here.
[15:21] <nona> that helped, thank you krytarik!
[15:47] <bhechinger>     PID  USER DEV    TYPE  GPU        GPU MEM    CPU  HOST MEM Command
[15:47] <bhechinger>    4057  root   0 Graphic   0%   7961MiB  65%     1%    212MiB /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{3d1d8b92-34e6-4a0f-84e
[15:47] <bhechinger> WHYYY Xorg? 😭
[16:16] <preach> bhechinger: what tool is that?
[16:17] <bhechinger> preach: nvtop
[16:39] <ChestNUT> I just got a DNS Leak, My IP was the VPN server, but my DNS was the home ISP??? How did that happen and how can i fix it?? wireguard
[16:58] <elias_a> ChestNUT: What does ifconfig say when you have the leak?
[16:58] <leftyfb> elias_a: ifupdown isn't installed on modern ubuntu releases. Use ip instead
[16:59] <elias_a> leftyfb: ifconfig still shows the configuration of the network adapters.
[17:00] <ogra> elias_a, after you manually install ifupdown, yeah ...
[17:01] <leftyfb> elias_a: only if you install ifupdown. For instance, typing "ifconfig" on a fresh install of Ubuntu 20.04 wil result in "Command 'ifconfig' not found, but can be installed with:"
[17:02] <leftyfb> ahm looks like net-tools will bring in "ifconfig". But that isn't installed by default either
[17:02] <elias_a> Ok. I must have the needed packages because I have upgraded.
[17:02] <ogra> yeah, if you originally installed with something before 2018 it will not have been removed
[17:03] <ogra> but IIRC it was dropped in 18.04 (or right after)
[17:03] <ogra> update-manager does not remove such packages ...
[17:18] <alkisg> AFAIK ifupdown was dropped from the CD a bit after 22.04 alpha. I see it in 20.04.iso and in my 22.04 that I installed when it was alpha.
[17:35] <bhechinger> doc|home: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcAhpKySEP8
[17:35] <bhechinger> not a miata, but equally silly
[17:38] <leftyfb> bhechinger: wrong channel
[17:38]  * bhechinger sighs
[17:38] <bhechinger> IRC is hard. Let's go shopping! :-D
[17:39] <bhechinger> leftyfb: That's for calling that out. I never would have noticed then would have been annoyed at him for not answering even though I never sent him the message. :-D
[18:06] <BinarySavior> hello, I recently installed new motherboard & CPU & RAM and now when I boot up ubuntu, the desktop environment is not loading, I can ssh into the machine
[18:07] <Paranous> When installing Ubuntu Server Pro, in minimalized mode. Does it not include any firewall? - I've it up in a VM, and I'm wanting too SSH into it, however it's rejecting connections.
[18:07] <BinarySavior> Paranous, probably you need to install sshd
[18:08] <Paranous> Service SSH status shows it's installed and running
[18:08] <Paranous> sshd*
[18:08] <BinarySavior> are you attempting to log in with rsa keypair or with username/passwd
[18:09] <BinarySavior> also, are you on the same LAN as the host, or are you trying to ssh from outside of network?
[18:09] <BinarySavior> oh, you said VM
[18:10] <Paranous> C:\Users\brandon>ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:10] <Paranous> ssh: connect to host <IP_ADDRESS> port 22: Connection refused however i've veried it's on that IP and SSHD is listening
[18:10] <BinarySavior> can you ping it?
[18:11] <BinarySavior> you might want to try ssh user@host
[18:11] <Paranous> yes it receives pings
[18:12] <Paranous> user@host also rejected
[18:12] <Paranous> something else, is ping, and nslookup not base tools installed with ubuntu pro server?
[18:13] <BinarySavior> did you try `ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[18:13] <Paranous> Correct
[18:14] <wkmango> check the port directly, something like $ nc <guestip> 22
[18:14] <BinarySavior> you can check firewall status with `sudo ufw status`
[18:14] <Paranous> Tried that, says doesn't even exist
[18:15] <Paranous> It's Ubuntu 22.04.2 live, installed in minimal pro mode
[18:15] <wkmango> your vm network bridge setup correctly? can the guest connect to the host?
[18:16] <Paranous> well that's another thing, I thought I could ping from inside the VM out, but apparently ping ipaddress isn't even a thing anymore?
[18:17] <Paranous> It has internet access, least wget can touch google
[18:17] <Paranous> clear
[18:21] <Paranous> Did IRC just server split?
[18:22] <tomreyn> !netsplit | Paranous: Yes.
[18:26] <JanC> it could also be a server reboot
[18:43] <rbnswartz> Does anyone know of a way I can create a calendar event in the calendar such as a DBUS api or maybe some library to interact with the evolution data server?
[18:45] <BinarySavior> rbnswartz, pretty sure you can use DAV, right?
[18:46] <BinarySavior> I use nextcloud as my DAV server and I just created a new calendar in evolution to connect and sync with my nextcloud calendar, then i can import and create events like .ical etc
[18:48] <rbnswartz> BinarySavior I guess I could do that, create a local caldav server but it seems like it would be easier if I could just dump data into evolution directly
[18:51] <BinarySavior> if you're into evil stuff (like google calendar) evolution will work with that too
[18:54] <BinarySavior> can someone help me troubleshoot why ubuntu desktop environment won't start up? I am able to ssh into the machine, all I see is this when I boot: https://postimg.cc/3WZrzq76
[18:54] <BinarySavior> I can ssh into the machine from my laptop
[18:55] <BinarySavior> last time it booted successfully was before I replaced CPU, RAM, MOBO
[18:56] <BinarySavior> I tried remove & purge all nvidia* then reinstalled with ubuntu-drivers install
[18:56] <BinarySavior> still the same issue
[18:57] <BinarySavior> lshw -c video: https://bpa.st/6DYN2
[19:03] <sarnold> BinarySavior: check journalctl output for previous boots, maybe there's more details there?
[19:04] <sarnold> BinarySavior: if you fiddled with a bunch of CPU, RAM, MOBO, maybe it's worth going into the BIOS settings, resetting those to defaults, and then turning things back on
[19:04] <sarnold> BinarySavior: quite often the bios memory is just random garbage
[19:04] <BinarySavior> I replaced motherboard with brand new from factory
[19:04] <BinarySavior> I didn't change any BIOS
[19:05] <masber> hi, I have an application that tries to open firefox which runs through snap, the web page is not loading and I am getting this error `Gtk-Message: 21:04:16.177: Not loading module "atk-bridge": The functionality is provided by GTK natively. Please try to not load it.` any idea?
[19:05] <masber> I tried this `sudo snap refresh snapd-desktop-integration --stable` but does not improve the situation
[19:06] <ogra> that is not an error, just an info message from Gtk ...
[19:07] <ogra> and snapd-desktop-integration is the thing that snapd uses to notify about updates of snaps, has no other purpose ...
[19:07] <sarnold> BinarySavior: then definitely go reset the bios before troubleshooting any further :)
[19:07] <BinarySavior> ok haha
[19:08] <BinarySavior> you mean reboot into bios and "restore factory defaults" then try booting again?
[19:08] <Paranous> BinarySavior have you done any Kernal upgardes? also maybe worth a check in Bios to disable various Power settings. Despite swapping out hardware, I've never known linux to ever be happy with hardware swaps
[19:08] <oerheks> bios update comes in mind.
[19:09] <Paranous> By default some weird power savings settings could be turned on that you have have had off when you did your original install, leading too Linux freaking out because it wasan't configured with them on
[19:11] <Paranous> Curious whats the brand / model of motherboard in use?
[19:13] <BinarySavior> Paranous, MSI MEG Z690 ACE DDR5 LGA 1700 Intel Z690 SATA 6Gb/s Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
[19:19] <Paranous> Ah we have the same BIOS, under Advanced > APCI
[19:20] <BinarySavior> here is journalctl -b: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/brHdpP6vBt/
[19:22] <BinarySavior> Paranous my motherboard has a Clear CMOS button, I pressed it, still getting same issue though
[19:24] <oerheks>  Z690 ACE (MS-7D27), BIOS 1.80 11/11/2022 ?
[19:24] <oerheks> time to check for an update https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-Z690-ACE/support
[19:25] <oerheks> one should ask the vendor for this hardware support
[19:26] <Paranous> https://bugs.launchpad.net/acpi/+bug/1978398 - seems this has been a thing for a while now
[19:26] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1978398 in Ubuntu "[    0.515312] ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\_SB.PC00.SAT0.PRT0.PWRG], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20210730/dswload2-326)" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:27] <oerheks> no way telling this is an Ubuntu issue.
[19:28] <BinarySavior> thanks and sorry oerheks, didn't realize it was mobo issue, tbh I thought it was another nvidia issue which still is technically not a ubuntu issue if I'm using the proprietary drivers (i am)
[19:29] <oerheks> nope, good chance it will be fixed with the update
[19:30] <oerheks> Paranous, from that bugreport; LENOVO Version: N37ET39W (1.20) Release Date: 04/15/2022 might not be the newest either
[19:31] <Paranous> I'm finding this issue via google searches as far back as 2021. Seems almost everyone points at bad firmware
[19:31] <Paranous> Maybe it's worth flashing the MB Bios
[19:32] <Paranous> It's also not just a Unbuntu issue, it's varied across multiple linux distros and hardware
[19:36] <Paranous> Interesting suggestion someone made - Try a live boot media, https://forum.manjaro.org/t/cant-boot-previously-working-install/104119/14 if it doesn't persist there, work backwords eliminaiting various drivers. (Newest driver, isn't always best driver.)
[19:37] <oerheks> Paranous, not interesting at all, please do not suggest such in this official support channel
[19:38] <oerheks> no way telling this is an Ubuntu issue. without the bios update, lets wait for results.
[19:39] <Paranous> I'm telling you it's not Ubuntu specific. and gave you specific sources.
[19:39] <BinarySavior> yea I have the manual open right now, following instructions to update the BIOS
[19:51] <Paranous> BinarySavior will be curios to see if issue persist after update.
[19:51] <BinarySavior> Paranous, for some reason mobo is not accepting BIOS from official MSI website
[19:51] <BinarySavior> I'm calling technical support
[19:58] <Paranous> When you say it's not accepting it, as in showing wrong version? or simply doesn't recognize the file?
[19:59] <Paranous> Last time I delt with that the USB port was wrongfully labeled on the motherboard punchout for flashing, it's often the highest upper left port
[20:10] <BinarySavior> Paranous, it displays an error message that says, "The BIOS is not MSI BIOS, update will be ignore !!! If this file come from MSI, please contact with MSI."
[20:11] <BinarySavior> I tried both of the most recent BIOS versions and got the same error message
[20:11] <BinarySavior> the two most recent*
[20:19] <Paranous> BinarySavior What was the ending extension of those BIOS updates?
[20:19] <BinarySavior> .1A0
[20:20] <BinarySavior> i think the problem is with the flash drive itself, I am reformatting the flash drive and trying again
[20:20] <newguyop> hi o/
[20:21] <Paranous> should be FAT32, however if doesn't work, you may have to rename the bios file and due a headless flash. That's only way I was able to flash my MSI board. had same issue. Also a z690 board
[20:23] <BinarySavior> Ok after reformatting the flash drive and trying again I receive a different error: "BIOS ROM seems corrupted!! Please check ROM file integrality before update."
[20:23] <BinarySavior> lol
[20:37] <Paranous> Yeah, better off going the headless route, it just simply works. their EzFlash utility hasn't worked right since 9th gen intel
[20:42] <BinarySavior> Paranous, success, found an old 6GB SD card and formatted it with FAT32, now it's working :'D
[20:42] <BinarySavior> 4GB*'
[20:44] <Paranous> Nice, i'm surprised someone aint yelled at us to goto Hardware lol
[20:44] <BinarySavior> or #offtopic
[20:44] <Paranous> Seems dead enough in here they likely don't mind
[20:46] <BinarySavior> Ok folks, updated BIOS to most recent version, still having same issue, desktop environment not booting, can only access shell through ssh
[20:46] <Paranous> I just did a fresh clean install of Ubuntu Server Pro, and updated it. This time I did the non-minimalized
[20:47] <Paranous> prior to all the hardware changes are you using the same GPU?
[20:48] <BinarySavior> yes
[20:48] <BinarySavior> same GPU
[20:48] <BinarySavior> new journalctl -b after bios update: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/jcNVBT4nWk/
[20:48] <Paranous> Maybe a shot in the dark but have you ever compiled your own kernel before? perhaps recompiling your kernel against your new changed hardware might make a difference?
[20:50] <BinarySavior> maybe
[20:50] <BinarySavior> I think it might have to do something with Secureboot / UEFI or some previous configuration in my BIOS that I did not reconfigure on this BIOS.
[20:51] <BinarySavior> I know it is finicky because I had a dual boot machine on here, a windows partition that I never use that is more trouble than it's worth
[20:52] <Paranous> ah, yeah dual-booting especially with the new stuff is NOT as easy as it was back when I actually ran Linux
[20:52] <sarnold> there's way more efi pstore stuff in here than I'm used to seeing
[20:53] <Paranous> Under the Advanced Bios, Settings > Advanced > ACPI, could disable all of those power settings dealing with sleep and hibernation.  If I wanted my PC to play dead i'd turn it off lol
[20:57] <BinarySavior> Paranous, I don't have those settings in Settings > Advanced > ACPI
[20:59] <BinarySavior> I'm close to just wiping it and installing fresh
[21:01] <Paranous> https://postimg.cc/d75D0Dgc
[21:01] <Paranous> you're Bios isn't this?
[21:01] <sarnold> BinarySavior: weird, your X looks like it's trying to use an old framebuffer driver.. maybe try "sudo ubuntu-drivers install" or something similar?
[21:02] <BinarySavior> sarnold, I already purged nvidia* then did ubuntu-drivers install
[21:02] <BinarySavior> I can try again
[21:02] <sarnold> oh :(
[21:03] <BinarySavior> Paranous, yes but when I click ACPI there's nothing in there about sleep
[21:05] <Paranous> Is there any window manager installed with Ubuntu server by default?
[21:06] <sarnold> no
[21:11] <Paranous> Oh noes, I broke Xserver, now my terminal is inaccessible from my VM. -.-
[21:22] <BinarySavior> ok thanks for everyone's help I think I am just going to format the drive and install fresh OS looks like backing up this data will take about 15hr, yuck
[21:22] <sarnold> good luck, sorry we couldn't sort it out :(
[21:23] <oerheks> fresh install would give generic kernel, not the lowlatency
[21:28] <BinarySavior> oerheks, oh I see, do you recommend something else for low latency? I was actually planning on putting ubuntu studio on there, does that come with low latency
[21:31] <BinarySavior> wow, file copy estimates were severely wrong, only 30 minutes left haha
[21:43] <Paranous> BinarySavior Was about to ask how many TBs on how many 5200RPM HDDs lol
[22:11] <jhutchins> Paranous: A kernel compile doesn't detect local hardware, you have to tell it what to support.  That's why you can compile a kernel for hardware that doesn't already have one.