[00:24] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good morning
[00:24] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hi
[00:25] <jbicha> there's a calendar that claims you might be doing some sponsoring today? because I have a few GNOME 3.20 stuff…
[00:25] <robert_ancell> jbicha, I can sponsor
[00:25] <jbicha> oh wait, that was yesterday
[00:25] <jbicha> it's still Monday here!
[00:26] <robert_ancell> Still, happy to sponsor anyday
[00:27] <jbicha> ok, I have 3 things from today on the sponsoring overview
[00:34] <robert_ancell> jbicha, no LP link in the gobject-introspection bug so I just marked it fixed released
[00:37] <jbicha> oops, thanks
[01:51] <jbicha> robert_ancell: could you handle bug 1608567 and bug 1580007 too?
[02:34] <jbicha> robert_ancell: thanks, for the packagekit transition, g-settings-daemon and libunity-webapps need no-change rebuilds
[02:34] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ok
[02:36] <jbicha> that's all for me tonight, I appreciate your sponsoring
[02:37] <robert_ancell> jbicha, any time!
[04:42] <pitti> Good morning
[04:53] <hikiko> Hi
[05:12] <qengho> Hi hihikiko.
[05:38] <qengho> Whoa, my public IPv4 address is 1.something .
[05:38] <qengho> You so crazy apnic.
[07:00] <desrt> good morning!
[07:01]  * desrt waits for 0.x.x.x to start being used
[07:01] <desrt> it's cold and wet in NRW :(
[07:05] <duflu> Hmm, depending on who you ask <IP_ADDRESS> is at Marina del Rey
[07:06] <duflu> Los Angeles
[07:06] <duflu> Or just nonexistent
[07:09] <pitti> jbicha: hey Jeremy, how are you?
[07:09] <pitti> jbicha: new gobject-introspection seems to break gjs: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#gobject-introspection
[07:35] <Trevinho> Morning!
[07:41] <Trevinho> pitti: hey, are you able to de-queue this https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1737 or should I ping someone from SRU team? :-)
[07:42] <pitti> Trevinho: I can reject it from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1
[07:42] <pitti> if that's what you mean/sufficient
[07:42] <Trevinho> pitti: no, sorry,.. not reject... approve I mean :-)
[07:42] <Trevinho> dequeue in the good way :P
[07:42] <pitti> heh
[07:43] <pitti> ok, I'll look later
[07:43] <Trevinho> pitti: thanks....
[07:43]  * Trevinho fixes bugs in the mean time
[07:46] <duflu> "Trevinho fixes bugs" _all_ the time
[07:47] <Trevinho> duflu: No, I meant I fix the bugs themselves right now :-D
[07:48] <duflu> Jolly good, regardless
[07:54] <willcooke> morning all
[08:02] <Laney> morning!
[08:02] <willcooke> hi Laney
[08:02] <pitti> hey willcooke and Laney!
[08:02] <willcooke> morning pitti
[08:02] <Trevinho> hi English men!
[08:02] <willcooke> pip pip
[08:02] <willcooke> It is raining.
[08:02] <pitti> lies
[08:03] <Trevinho> 29° here :-)
[08:03] <davmor2> tallyho
[08:05] <duflu> marvelous
[08:05] <Laney> attente: http://appstream.ubuntu.com/yakkety/universe/issues/pidgin.html
[08:05] <Laney> yeah, I'm cold this morning!
[08:05] <Laney> got a long sleeved top on and everything
[08:06]  * duflu hopes for pants too
[08:06] <willcooke> :D
[08:06] <Laney> let's not go crazy here
[08:21] <Trevinho> Laney: any clue what happened inhttps://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 ?
[08:22] <pitti> Trevinho: bug 1073488 and bug 1459671 are still open in y, please fix it there first (or mark the bugs as fixed with a comment)
[08:22] <Laney> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1738/landing-053-yakkety/excuses.html
[08:22] <Laney> not really
[08:23] <pitti> Laney: another candiate for re-running with --all-proposed?
[08:23] <Laney> how do you tell that?
[08:23] <Laney> just hope? :)
[08:23] <pitti> Laney: because Saviq has asked me to do that about 5 times for other silos :)
[08:23] <Laney> heh
[08:23] <pitti> Qt 5.6 + new KDE entanglement
[08:24] <Laney> let me try it, I want the practice
[08:24] <Laney> and retrying for silos is hard
[08:24] <pitti> it's not that hard
[08:24] <pitti> Laney: yes, please do
[08:24] <Trevinho> pitti: yeah, release there is pending... .britney failed for some reason...
[08:25] <pitti> Laney: Ctrl+R on snakefruit on --ci-train should get you there :)
[08:25] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, I saw them... But... what's that?
[08:27] <Laney> pitti: I did it, found the support in r-a-r
[08:27] <larsu> pitti: hi! travisci only has trusty, but I'd really like to add a pkg-config check for systemd (we need variables from /usr/share/pkg-config/systemd.pc) to cockpit's configure. Is there any way I can install that package (from a later release maybe)  without breaking everything?
[08:27] <larsu> or was systemd packaged somewhere else back then?
[08:28] <larsu> morning everyone else  as well :)
[08:28] <pitti> larsu: curious timing -- https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+archive/ubuntu/systemd/+packages has a build which enables the "systemd" binary package (for a completely different reason)
[08:28] <Laney> hey larsu!
[08:29] <pitti> larsu: however, this isn't a stable PPA, it's possible that this gets SRUed at some point or abandonded entirely
[08:29] <larsu> ooooh!
[08:29] <pitti> larsu: but I suggest to add hardcoded fallback paths if it isn't available
[08:29] <pitti> larsu: I haven't tried backporting to trusty, as not much would work really; but if it's just a chroot it might not  be too bad
[08:31] <larsu> pitti: I really only need the .pc file
[08:31] <larsu> we have a fallback path now, but it just bit us because we forgot the systemd build dep somewhere
[08:31] <larsu> and packages got screwed
[08:31] <larsu> would be nice if configure could catch things like that...
[08:33] <larsu> hi Laney! How are you?
[08:36] <Laney> preeeeeeetty pretty good
[08:37] <larsu> ha, nice to hear!
[08:37] <Trevinho> hey larsu how is it your new life? :-)
[08:37] <larsu> hi Trevinho :)
[08:37] <larsu> great, totally different from before!
[08:37] <larsu> how are you?
[08:37] <Laney> thought you might be on a honeymoon
[08:38] <Laney> WAIT
[08:38] <Laney> NOT GOOD
[08:38] <Trevinho> larsu: not too bad, travelling a lot across my country... Moving from a seaplace to mountains :-)
[08:38] <Laney> i forgot what i was doing yesterday and it SUCKS
[08:38] <seb128> those who are yakkety with a laptop, does the "don't suspend on lid close" option works for you? (got a report saying it doesn't work anymore, wonder if that's a sytemd regression)
[08:38] <Trevinho> seb128: don't trust them... They're just conspirators!
[08:38] <seb128> lol
[08:38] <larsu> Laney: we stayed in the area north of Berlin for a week after the wedding, but had to go back to work this week
[08:38] <Trevinho> hey seb128 by the way :-)
[08:38] <seb128> hey Trevinho ;-)
[08:39] <larsu> bonjour seb128!
[08:39] <Laney> just tried, did not suspend
[08:39] <seb128> sorry ignored IRC mostly this morning, I was not feeling well yesterday evening so got some extra sleep and then started head down in debugging what I was doing yesterday
[08:39] <seb128> Laney, k, thanks
[08:39] <seb128> I don't understand those bugs :-/
[08:40] <seb128> we have a few reports of reverse issues in xenial
[08:40] <seb128> machine not suspending on lid close when there a no inhibitors
[08:41] <seb128> well, reassigning to systemd anyway
[08:41] <seb128> the userspace didn't change
[09:01] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, did you see bug #1574324? It has quite some activity and people tried and apparently it's due to an Ubuntu patch, would be nice if you could have a look
[09:01] <seb128> it's assigned to you but I'm unsure if you noticed or if it went to launchpad spambox
[09:03] <Trevinho> Oh...  Especially just after you wrote a so nice SRU test case.... :-/
[09:04] <davmor2> Trevinho: here borrow my I hate you launchpad hammer, it won't fix it but you'll feel much better after hitting it with the hammer ;)
[09:05]  * Trevinho grabs it and hits...
[09:05] <seb128> :-/
[09:05]  * Trevinho doesn't feel better yet.... Hits again.
[09:06] <seb128> launchpad is having issues
[09:06] <seb128> I wonder if that's the daily few minutes hickups for live updates they do
[09:07] <Trevinho> let's hope tha
[09:07] <Trevinho> t
[09:07] <seb128> k, just worked on the tag I was trying to add
[09:07] <seb128> so hopefully it's back to normal
[09:28] <Trevinho> yeah, it works aagainnnnn
[09:28] <Trevinho> I believe davmor2's hammer actually really worked :-). Thanks.
[09:35] <Trevinho> Laney: are the silo https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1738 failures something we should care about, or can we publish it? Since it's something unity8 related, which... Doesn't seem affected by us at all.
[09:38] <Laney> Trevinho: it's running, might as well just wait
[09:50] <Trevinho> Laney: it failed again :-(
[09:52] <Laney> it's still running
[09:52] <Laney> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-unity8
[09:52] <Trevinho> ah, ok sorry... Maybe bileto shown the old one as the result for the current one
[09:52] <Trevinho> since it gives the failed state.
[09:55] <Laney> guess so
[09:55] <Laney> don't know why it doesn't show it as in progress
[09:55] <Trevinho> it did for a while (when I restarted it), then it went back to failed....
[09:56] <Trevinho> maybe it's pocking the wrong thing.
[09:56] <Trevinho> poking*
[09:56] <Laney> man
[09:56] <Laney> these tests take a long time
[10:03] <Laney> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/unity8/yakkety/amd64/
[10:03] <Laney> doesn't look that hopeful ¬_¬
[10:04] <Laney> andyrock: can you make bug #1564375 sru compliant please?
[10:05] <andyrock> sure
[10:05] <Laney> thanks!
[10:05] <Laney> and hi!
[10:21] <tjaalton> Trevinho: hi, can you tell me if bug 1430888 belongs to compiz or not? :)
[10:21] <tjaalton> just moved it there
[10:21]  * Trevinho checks
[10:22] <Trevinho> tjaalton: I wouldn't say not if it doesn't happe in multi-monitor mode
[10:22] <Trevinho> tjaalton: is something not happening in other WMs?
[10:23] <tjaalton> I haven't tested, but cert are testing this on intel+amd hybrids now
[10:23] <tjaalton> not that I have hw for this either
[10:37] <tjaalton> Trevinho: apparently xfce at least works better
[10:42] <jbicha> pitti: gjs 1.45.4-1 was broken before the gobject-introspection update, I was hoping the update might help
[10:45] <Laney> Trevinho: meh, this time it really did fail
[10:46] <Trevinho> still same issue?
[10:47] <Trevinho> what should we do?
[10:48] <Laney> it looks more real
[10:48] <jbicha> pitti: I had autopkgtest.u.com test a pkg in my PPA yesterday and I'm curious where I could find the results…
[10:48] <Laney> Saviq: is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>something you know about?
[10:48] <Laney> that's with all-proposed
[10:48] <Saviq> Laney, "Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> closed by remote host.
[10:48] <Saviq> ssh: WARNING: ssh connection failed. Retrying in 3 seconds..."
[10:49] <Laney> qmluitests.sh FAIL non-zero exit status 2
[10:49] <Saviq> Laney, ah yes, two segfaults, fix coming in silo 73
[10:50] <Saviq> Laney, bug #1607686
[10:50] <Laney> merci
[10:58] <jbicha> pitti: actually, I see that's the old gjs, I'm retrying the new one
[10:58] <jbicha> because I think it worked yesterday when I tried locally
[11:18] <pitti> jbicha: new gjs fails as well, though (TypeError: Everything.test_array_struct_out is not a function)
[11:31] <seb128> new nautilus!
[11:31] <seb128> Laney, did you get menus to work with the new codebase?
[11:38] <Laney> you mean menubar?
[11:39] <Laney> well, the answer is no, i'll work on that in the future if it's really necessary
[11:47] <seb128> right
[11:47] <seb128> k, I was just curious
[11:48] <seb128> we hit that as  blocker previous cycle and I was surprised the patch wasn't bigger so I was wondering if you resolved it just decided to land anyway
[11:48] <Trevinho> Laney: just ensure the unity integration one works though, otherwise there might be troubles with devices and friends
[11:48] <seb128> nautilus updates are fun ;-)
[11:49]  * Trevinho ported that already in the past
[11:49] <Laney> well, it is applied :)
[11:49] <Laney> go test it
[11:49] <seb128> right, some of the patches can be rescue from the xenial update we did before reverting
[11:49] <seb128> lol
[11:49] <seb128> Laney goes the robert_ancell way ;-)
[11:50] <seb128> I guess now is a good time to break things and have user workflow changes
[11:50] <Laney> It's the way of omgz feature freeze in two weeks, it's okay to fix stuff later on, especially in the first release
[11:50] <seb128> right
[11:51]  * Laney wibbles
[11:51] <seb128> that's the path to not fixing things and having regressions in release as well...
[11:51] <Laney> haha
[11:51] <seb128> but I guess we are going to just have to deal without menubars if we want to update nautilus
[11:51] <Laney> thanks man, you're doing me good
[11:51] <seb128> so it's a reasonable choice
[11:51] <seb128> well, Lars spent over a month on the menubar things and didn't manage to get it down
[11:51] <seb128> done
[11:51] <seb128> sorry, didn't mean it as a judgement on our work
[11:52] <seb128> I just think it's not easily doable and going to be costy in resources if we want to do it
[11:52] <seb128> and you know it goes, I doubt anyone is going to be able to block a few weeks for that
[11:52] <seb128> but let's see, somebody might
[11:52] <seb128> but let's see, somebody might make lie
[11:53] <seb128> +me
[11:56] <seb128> same I guess for having the new version using CSD under unity?
[11:56] <Laney> no
[11:56] <Laney> i did that
[11:57] <seb128> nice :-)
[11:57] <seb128> thanks!
[12:21]  * desrt sneezes loudly
[15:05] <jhodapp> willcooke, hey, you around?
[15:05] <willcooke> jhodapp, hey
[15:05] <jhodapp> willcooke, would you have a few mins today to chat about media-hub on the desktop? There's new development that your team will be interested in
[15:06] <willcooke> jhodapp, sure - got a meeting in 20 mins, so if you're free now we can chat?
[15:06] <jhodapp> I am free, let me get a hangout started
[15:06] <willcooke> jhodapp, got one here:  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/will?authuser=0
[15:28] <qengho> Oh man.
[15:29] <willcooke> qengho, late night?
[15:29] <qengho> willcooke: Yep. Also, meeting time.
[15:30] <willcooke> lots of people out again today, so won't take long
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-08-02
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug  2 15:30:21 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:31] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock (out), attente, desrt(out),  dgadomski, fjkong, happyaron(out), hikiko(sick), laney, qengho, seb128(maybe out), sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <FJKong> yeah
[15:32] <willcooke> Might as well burn through this...
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <willcooke> 1. [BUG:1521116] session dialog doesn't close on first "esc" use
[15:32] <willcooke> 2. [BUG:1564375] Unity should take display scaling into account to
[15:32] <willcooke> avoid placement of desktop icons under launcher
[15:32] <willcooke> 3. [BUG:1459671] focus goes to the wrong window on multi window applications
[15:32] <willcooke> 4. [BUG:1073488] window management - if a window is always on top, it
[15:32] <willcooke> will always get focus after switching between workspaces
[15:32] <willcooke> 5. [BUG:1608480] When a window semi-maximized the decorator should
[15:32] <willcooke> show "Unmaximize" button.
[15:32] <willcooke> 6. Bug triaging and reviews as usual
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:33] <attente> hey
[15:33] <attente> merge proposal for gtk-mir refresh (thanks anpok for his good work there)
[15:34] <attente> still continuing the apparmor dconf work
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thanks attente, good stuff
[15:34] <willcooke> attente, btw - spoke to k_gunn - he said he's seen a few problems with Mir demo server on Y - so most likely not a problem specific to you
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <willcooke>  - back from 2 weeks of holiday in Esperantujo, and larsu's wedding
[15:35] <willcooke>  - still on CEST (until August 16)
[15:35] <willcooke>  - cleared out email backlog, but currently don't have access to some older mails (due to fastmail snafu).  If I missed something important, please resend.
[15:35] <willcooke>  - restarted the snappy dconf work with the new design discussed during Gtk hackfest
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:35] <attente> ok, thanks. yeah, upgrading to y's been a bit of a headache
[15:35] <dgadomski> hey
[15:35] <dgadomski> checking 2 new issues:
[15:35] <dgadomski> * gnome-settings-daemon "Could not switch the monitor configuration could not set the configuration for CRTC 635" introduced by a recent apt upgrade
[15:35] <dgadomski> * bug #1607815
[15:35] <dgadomski> * plus continue working on bug #1598183
[15:35] <dgadomski> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> dgadomski, might be worth syncing with happyaron (when he's around) re: bug 1607815
[15:36] <dgadomski> willcooke: thanks, will do that
[15:36] <willcooke> I think he might have a fix, or know a something about it
[15:36] <willcooke> (or maybe not, but worth asking)
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> * sogou IM bug: first open IM will be slower on loading skin.
[15:37] <FJKong> * Qt memory leak using QPixmap
[15:37] <FJKong> * Memory leak between QML and Qt C++, when using ResourceImageProvider
[15:37] <FJKong> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:37] <FJKong> got the phone
[15:37] <FJKong> by the way
[15:37]  * larsu didn't see willcooke at his wedding :P
[15:37] <willcooke> Oh!  Asesome!
[15:37] <FJKong> it's BQ phone not Meizu
[15:38] <willcooke> FJKong, bah.  Oki, that will have to do for now, we can see if we can get you one in person at the sprint in Oct
[15:38] <FJKong> no pro
[15:38] <willcooke> larsu, check the background verrrry carefully
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:39] <willcooke> 1. More Ubuntu Kylin work transition stuff
[15:39] <willcooke> 2. Phone IM discussions
[15:39] <willcooke> 3. zfs work at Debian
[15:39] <willcooke> 4. NM bugs
[15:39] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:39] <Laney> • Helped to release Alpha 2 - poked people and wrangled the cdimage machine.
[15:39] <Laney> • Worked some more on the asgen, started to poke at translated package descriptions, shelved for ...
[15:39] <Laney> • Started to release GTK 3.20 - lots of bits uploaded to yakkety-proposed, all currently blocked at least until a unity-greeter bug is fixed (mt_erry is investigating - I helped out by ***bisecting*** gtk to find where the issue first appeared). More 3.20 uploads to do, still ongoing work.
[15:39] <larsu> willcooke: haha :)
[15:39] <Laney> • Investigated a britney regression, experienced a race condition with p_itti when fixing it (we both did).
[15:39] <Laney> •
[15:39] <Laney> 🚾
[15:39] <Laney> empty bullet point
[15:39] <Laney> that is art
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks Laney  :)
[15:40] <Laney> it says something about the futility of life
[15:40]  * pitti will learn how to use git, sorry :)
[15:40] <Laney> HEY
[15:40] <Laney> stop defeating my highlight defeaters
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:40] <pitti> I was about to say "good bye, see you in two weeks"
[15:40] <qengho> * Still fixing last week's chromium security debs. Had to roll-back Ubuntu tool/library usage instead of in-tree. RIP yasm, harfbuzz, re2, opus.  Still one bug in precise: libatomic Depends not available. Ugh.
[15:40] <qengho> I plan to give T+ to #ssecurity and worry about Precise after.
[15:40] <qengho> I could use some wider testing, if anyone has a chance. ppa:canonical-chromium-builds/stage
[15:40] <qengho> EOF
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:41]  * willcooke makes a note to pimp the ppa
[15:41] <qengho> ^ Much of that library shuffling was my attempt to get closet to what Debian is doing.
[15:41] <qengho> Thanks.
[15:42] <willcooke> thx qengho
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:42] <seb128> • snappy
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ looked at how the xdg-open integration is supposed to work/played with it/found some issues and started looking at the needed changes
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ submitted some easy fixes to snapcraft on github to get familiar with the upstream workflow
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ refreshed some of the desktop snaps to use the shared desktop launcher and get working translations
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ spent some time looking at locales handling details in ubuntu and how that can be transfered to snaps
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ discussions & reading about the topics discussed in heidelberg
[15:42] <seb128> ∘ helped some contributors to get their snaps working
[15:42] <seb128> • investigated a lightdm/unity-greeter regression in 16.04 and helped testing the fix
[15:42] <seb128> • some NEW reviews

[15:43] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:43] <willcooke> - LibreOffice 5.2.0 rc4 yakkety for prereleases ppa
[15:43] <willcooke> - LibreOffice 5.2.0 rc4 as snap
[15:43] <willcooke> - LibreOffice 5.1.5 xenial for fresh and 5.1 ppa
[15:43] <willcooke> - security stuff
[15:43] <willcooke> - upstream dev mentoring and some marketing input
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:43] <willcooke> * Finally working out a clean solution for merging profile data for a11y-profile-manager so one profile will support multiple desktop environments.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Started debugging a pulse bluetooth bug related to ubuntu-touch patches.
[15:43] <willcooke> * Tried running unity8/mir on yakkety with a radeon card. Not sure if yakkety has the latest packages, but it logs in at least...
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - cups: Started making a snap of CUPS, got CUPS to build and daemon and CUPS web administration interface to work, for actual printing cups-filters needs to get added.
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Modifiationsto make cups-filters snappable.
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2016: Guide students through their projects
[15:44] <tkamppeter> - Bugs
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Done a new compiz / unity landing in yakkety with various fixes
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Prepared a new landing for unity / compiz in yakkety
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Prepared a new SRU (in queue now) for Compiz / unity in xenial to fix major crashes and bugs (with some self-healing too)
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Fixed a crash when using shadows for shaped windows (chrome) with some more cleanups too
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Fixed a possible new crash in unity window views
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Improved andy's branch to change the window state button texture and logic on partially maximized windows.
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Various compiz/unity reviews
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Made bugs SRU compliant
[15:44] <Trevinho> · Two days of holidays
[15:44] <Trevinho>  /eof
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:45] <willcooke> - Snappy sprint
[15:45] <willcooke> - LightDM SRU fixes
[15:45] <willcooke> - Started snapd-glib library
[15:45] <willcooke> - Working on paid snap support in GNOME Software
[15:45] <willcooke> - Sponsorship
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[15:45] <willcooke> I'm in London tomorrow for a few meetings.  Let me know if you need anything doing.
[15:46] <willcooke> Had a meeting with Design yesterday - Y assets are scheduled for delivery before EOM
[15:46] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else?
[15:46] <seb128> not me
[15:46] <Trevinho> nope
[15:46] <willcooke> going in 20.....19....
[15:46]  * qengho has nothing.
[15:47] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug  2 15:47:10 2016 UTC.
[15:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-08-02-15.30.moin.txt
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks all
[15:47]  * Trevinho leaves too... See you tomorrow.
[15:47]  * qengho Zzz.
[15:47] <seb128> thanks everyone
[15:47] <seb128> Trevinho, have a nice evening!
[15:48] <seb128> night qengho
[15:48] <hikiko> hey
[15:48] <hikiko> willcooke,
[15:48] <willcooke> hi hikiko
[15:48] <hikiko> sorry I missed it
[15:49] <hikiko> can I write my bullets now or too late?
[15:49] <willcooke> hikiko, np, I thought you were off sick still
[15:49] <willcooke> hikiko, fire away
[15:49] <hikiko> - changes for moving windows in u7 (+oem stuff)
[15:49] <hikiko> - investigating the nouveau driver bug (not much progress here yet)
[15:49] <hikiko> - reviewed shadows
[15:49] <hikiko> eof
[15:50] <hikiko> I was back today :)
[15:50] <hikiko> thanks
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:51] <seb128> hey hikiko! you were sick? :-( hope you feel better
[15:51] <seb128> willcooke ctrl-W with the wrong focus I bet
[15:51] <willcooke> bingo
[15:51] <willcooke> :D
[15:51] <seb128> :-)
[15:51] <seb128> IRC clients shouldn't close tabs on ctrl-W
[15:51] <seb128> or ask for confirmation
[15:51] <hikiko> seb128, I was a bit, I am now feeling much better just a little stomach ache :) thanks :)
[15:52] <seb128> great!
[16:10] <Sweet5hark1> re
[16:10] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark1
[16:10] <seb128> how are you?
[16:12] <Sweet5hark1> good, good. Was at the doc -- took a bike to get home, because the weather is really nice today.
[16:13] <seb128> nice, hope you are doing alright though!
[16:13] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: wrt doc: nothing serious, just a checkup.
[16:13] <seb128> k
[17:10] <Sweet5hark1> desrt: so uhmm, Canada is really into recursive islanding? http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/subsubsub-island-on-victoria-island
[17:11] <Laney> night!
[17:27] <seb128> night Laney!
[17:31] <willcooke> night all
[17:31] <willcooke> will be late tomorrow as will be on the train
[17:44] <Sweet5hark1> seb128: oh, forgot something in the weekly report libreoffice <IP_ADDRESS> failed on yakkety first: a failing integration test on both i386 and amd64 -- first seen on the ppa builder so I did a local rebuild -- which was fine. Rebuilding on the ppa succeeded then too on both platforms.
[17:45] <Sweet5hark1> still curious. then again we have a new gcc now on yakkety it seems, so it a new game altogether anyway.
[17:46] <Sweet5hark1> anyway, me is off for dinner (and hunting some pokemons then maybe). might look back in later in the evening.
[17:48] <seb128> Sweet5hark1, k, thanks,enjoy dinner!
[20:45] <Sweet5hark1> re
[21:07] <ochosi> Sweet5hark1: any progress on your theming problem?
[22:14] <Sweet5hark1> ochosi: wanted to look into it tonight -- so far was busy with finalizing 5.2 on snap and yakkety ...


[10:38] <rmg51> Morning
[11:47] <JonathanD> morn
[13:16] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[14:10] <HowdyDoody> morning all


[17:30] <qwebirc92046> i was wondering if mythbuntu will work with my Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 (8851) tv tuner card. if so is it limited? if limited in what way.
[18:39] <gedakc> qwebirc92046: I have 7 Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2250 cards in 4 PVRs and these work well.  I wrote a web pages about installing Mythbuntu 14.04.  See
[18:39] <gedakc> http://gedakc.users.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=pvr-install-mythbuntu1404
[18:45] <gedakc> The only thing I found that didn't work was the Hauppage remote control.  Instead I purchased an MCE remote control.  See
[18:45] <gedakc> http://gedakc.users.sourceforge.net/display-doc.php?name=pvr-select-mythtv-hw


[15:05] <adamFromSomewher> Hi there
[15:06] <adamFromSomewher> guys, there's something wrong with images server :/
[15:07] <adamFromSomewher> look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24530968/
[15:08] <adamFromSomewher> The same happens when I want to create an image with Ubuntu SDK shiny GUI tool.
[19:24] <danielthebague> what can i do with my ubuntu bq aquaris e4.5 now?
[19:24] <danielthebague> just out of interest
[19:25] <k1l_> flash android?
[19:25] <danielthebague> will it take the latest android
[19:26] <lpotter> keep using it...
[19:27] <danielthebague> true i could keep using it
[19:27] <danielthebague> was thinking if i flashed android it wouldn't have near as good battery life on it as with ubuntu
[19:49] <lpotter> I would think android has more agressive power handling


[04:20] <iSeriesTech> sorry
[04:20] <iSeriesTech> back now
[04:20] <iSeriesTech> Ubuntu just logged me out
[04:20] <iSeriesTech> what was the question
[11:12] <Devaux> join #ubuntu
[11:12] <Devaux> Ups :)
[03:17] <nixternal> Seveas: what did that bot do to you ;)
[03:17] <Seveas> nixternal, it would just have reset the topic :)
[03:17] <nixternal> I removed the meeting from the fridge, so all should be good
[03:19] <Seveas> @topic
[03:19] <Seveas> /cs d
[06:17] <Pici> @now new_york
[06:17] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: April 19 2007, 12:17:45 - Next meeting: Support Team in 2 days
[09:31] <sid> @schedule New_York
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[14:49] <Xeonvl> Hi, I installed snappy core on a rpi2. Im trying to install some software on it so I got started with snapcraft on my laptop. It has a few dependencies which I added by stage-packages and code compiled by a makefile. Now the thing is, it has to be ARM achitecture so I'd have to modify the compiler in the makefile from gcc to arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc
[14:50] <Xeonvl> but what about those stage-packages?I have the feeling those will be amd64 architecture?
[15:26] <Xeonvl> also the build-packages are definately the wrong architecture
[17:00] <Xeonvl> ok, if anyone could get me on track on how to build a snap for armhf architecture so I can get the software deployed on it, that would be great. Tried different things, snapcraft exclusively focusses on getting amd64 packages.
[21:22] <Xeonvl> ok I refined the source of the problem by looking in the snapcraft sources, by default, my apt.Cache class includes all packages with other architectures (including the ones I need), however when using rootdir (like in snapcraft) they disappear
[21:22] <Xeonvl> I dont know why, why is it so hard to build a snap for a different architecture?
[21:39] <asdf_> where does one find the snappy source code?


[07:37] <inetpro> goeiemore
[08:04] <thatgraemeguy> 'allo 'allo 'allo....
[08:28] <andrewlsd> o/
[08:29] <andrewlsd> smile: insmod isn't permanent. but entries in /etc/rc.local are. (bit of an ugly hack, but was all we had time for)
[14:49] <Bagheera> whatsup


[20:21] <cgi> when distributing a deb file, I want to compile my c code with single executables optimized for multiple CPU architectures - how can i do this? where can i get help for this?
[20:36] <rbasak> cgi: we don't do this in Ubuntu itself, and that's what this channel is for discussion about.
[20:37] <rbasak> If you want to make Unix executables with that feature then that's not really an Ubuntu-specific thing
[20:37] <rbasak> Try stackoverflow maybe?


[00:03] <mup> PR snapd#4148 closed: Release 2.29.2 <Created by mvo5> <Merged by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4148>
[01:11] <itsfemme[m]> Is it possible to proxy the network connections of a snap package for example through a vpn or tor
[01:12] <itsfemme[m]> if theres proper tor integration then even hidden services can be used
[08:24] <mup> PR snapd#4142 closed: cmd/snapd,client,daemon: display ignore-validation flag through the notes mechanism <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/4142>
[15:32] <mup> PR snapcraft#1657 opened: tests: in autopkgtests, use a tempdir in home, not in the tmpfs <Created by elopio> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1657>
[15:44] <elopio> snappy-m-o autopkgtest 1657 xenial:amd64
[15:44] <snappy-m-o> elopio: I've just triggered your test.


[00:08] <FisherP> Why can't a distribution upgrade work seamlessly, I don't think i've ever had an upgrade work 100% without any problems
[00:09] <FisherP> upgraded this morning from 11.10 to 12.04 and not only did it bork my tuners but also my usb remote doesn't work
[00:09] <FisherP> now i have to stuff around, maybe even re-format and re-install either 12.04 or 11.10
[00:09] <FisherP> i'm sorry, but it p#@ses me off
[00:11] <FisherP> I'm going to try to install an independant linux TV program like Me-TV to see if my tuners do indeed work, any thoughts on an alternative
[00:11] <FisherP> maybe VLC?
[00:11] <tgm4883> FisherP, cat?
[00:11] <FisherP> what do u mean?
[00:12] <tgm4883> cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg
[00:12] <tgm4883> then playback file.mpg
[00:12] <FisherP> hrm, i could try that
[00:12] <tgm4883> although I don't know why they don't work, what tuners you have, or what issue you are trying to troubleshoot
[00:12] <FisherP> I'm not near the pc at the moment
[00:12] <FisherP> Hauppage WinTV 500T
[00:13] <FisherP> when i upgraded and tried to watch TV it said that the tuners were busy
[00:13] <FisherP> i checked to make sure there were no recordings happening, and they weren't
[00:13] <FisherP> then I removed all the tuners
[00:14] <FisherP> now when i try to add them the screen doesn't progress to the tuner selection/setup page
[00:14] <FisherP> it just hangs
[00:14] <FisherP> I even left it over night, in case it was just slow....
[00:14] <FisherP> but nope, it hung.
[00:15] <FisherP> I checked the terminal and all it was saying was that it locked the input, then unlocked the input
[00:15] <FisherP> after it had stopped the backend
[00:15] <tgm4883> yea check the tuners outside mythtv
[00:15] <FisherP> hey mycosys problems with my mythtv install again :/
[00:15] <tgm4883> although thta is odd
[00:16] <tgm4883> does it say anything in the logs?
[00:16] <FisherP> tell me about it
[00:16] <FisherP> haven't really checked the logs, but I'll do that when I get home... i didn't have enough time this morning to really look into it
[00:18] <FisherP> tgm4883: sabhain: advised me that it might be a kernel problem and that i should try to install an older kernal
[00:18] <FisherP> but a) i've never done that before so i'm in uncharted territory and b) it sounds very dirty hacky
[00:19] <FisherP> and what's with borking my remote too?
[00:19] <FisherP> it's not anything special
[00:20] <FisherP> and before anyone advises me to power off and pull the plug, been there, done that, no cigars
[00:20] <FisherP> :S
[01:20] <mycosys> what happened FisherP
[01:53] <amejia_> superm1: could you by chance take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/crystalhd/+bug/992169
[01:53] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] Bug #992169 “udev rules are missing for crystalhd” : Bugs : “crystalhd” package : Ubuntu
[01:53] <amejia_> superm1: i don't who's a bug supervisor
[02:19] <superm1> amejia_: sure, i just nominated it, subscribed SRU team and uploaded the diff to precise-proposed, looks like you got most everything else done properly.  normally put all that stuff in the description though rather than the first comment
[02:20] <amejia_> superm1: oh ok, i guess you're a bug supervisor then?
[02:20] <superm1> yup
[02:20] <amejia_> superm1: ok
[02:20] <amejia_> superm1: thanks
[02:20] <superm1> sure feel free to have me look at media related SRU's in the future
[02:20] <amejia_> ok will do :)
[02:32] <imaginal> I feel like I'm 85% to a correct setup. I have mythbuntu installed on a computer with a tv tuner
[02:32] <imaginal> That system can run the frontend and display the Live TV, and is set to a static IP
[02:33] <imaginal> The second system is running the frontend and a secondary backend, connects to the primary, but won't play live tv
[02:34] <imaginal> I would like to watch tv on the second system, but when hitting the Live TV option, it flashes with the loading screen and takes me back to the menu
[02:34] <imaginal> No error messages. I feel like I'm missing a configuration option somewhere. What am I looking at?
[02:40] <imaginal> Additional information,  the primary is installed on a system with a static IP and references itself for the primary. The second computer has its IP in the local backend, but the IP of the first computer in the Primary
[02:41] <tgm4883> imaginal, i'm headed out, but take a look at the log files /var/log/mythtv/mythfrontend.log and /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[02:41] <imaginal> tgm4883, I'll comb through to find some more info. Thanks for the heads-up
[03:34] <imaginal> So on my backend log, the issue seems to be at Max required Free Space: 3.0 GB w/freq: 14min... then it ends. Have I missed something on where to save the buffer?
[03:38] <imaginal> Storage directories seem to be set appropriately, /var/lib/mythtv/streaming and livetv respectively. System has 1 partition, 100gb
[04:50] <Shadow__X> is there a way to check if my hard drives are spinning down?
[04:51] <Shadow__X> my backend stays on all the time and i have a raid 5 array on the same machine that i wouldnt mind having those drives spin down when not in use
[05:28] <qwebirc80744> imaginal: how did you go?
[05:28] <qwebirc80744> is your 2nd frontend working yet
[08:23] <FisherP> OK, i've got this problem apparently, I was on this morning
[08:23] <FisherP> http://pastebin.com/dZ6nWnej
[08:23] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] [ 6.014495] dvb-usb: found a 'Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T' in cold state, - Pastebin.com
[08:27] <FisherP> Zinn: yeah, but it then finds it in a warm state
[08:27] <Zinn> Hi FisherP, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[08:27] <FisherP> lol
[08:43] <unixbeardxd> Quick question, is the dist-upgrade from 11.10 to 04.12 safe currently, or should I expect severe breakages?
[08:43] <unixbeardxd> er, 12.04 rather
[08:51] <FisherP> unixbeardxd: my upgrade is a nightmare
[08:53] <unixbeardxd> FisherP, so no different than the norm. Guess I will have to do my usual, backup MySQL and myth config files, reinstall, and restore backed up settings. Par for the course
[08:55] <FisherP> it looks like mythbuntu has lost all my firmware... every time it tries to load up new firmware it says it fails
[08:56] <FisherP> nope spoke too soon
[08:57] <unixbeardxd> Thankfully I am using the PlayTV USB tuner. Works great without firmware worries. I do have problems with it going offline and not telling the recorders, so I get a day worth of not found recordings
[09:02] <FabriceMG> FisherP, Did you have compiled V4L drivers?
[09:03] <FabriceMG> or Did you use "standard" drivers in 12.04?
[09:57] <FisherP> FabriceMG: standard
[09:57] <FisherP> from what i remember
[09:57] <FisherP> I've fixed it now, it was a missing firmware
[09:58] <FisherP> dvb-fe-xc4100*.fw was missing
[09:58] <FisherP> so i downloaded one from the net and put it in the /var/lib/firmware directory
[09:58] <FisherP> worked a treat
[09:59] <FisherP> i downloaded xc4000-1.4.fw
[10:00] <FisherP> from http://istvanv.users.sourceforge.net/v4l/xc4000.html
[10:00] <Zinn> [istvanv.users.sourceforge.net] Linux driver for Leadtek PCI TV cards with XC4000 tuner
[10:13] <dekarl> FisherP: "warm state" is not so good if it gets there without "cold state" as the hardware appears to have issues with that
[11:50] <TandyUK2> hi guys, having a problem doing an upgrade of a mythbuntu 11 box
[11:51] <TandyUK2> bringing 11. up to date before doing the full dist upgrade, one machien is fine, but another is stuck
[11:51] <TandyUK2> i issued a "shutdown -r now" and it hasnt happened. ps lists "/sbin/plymouthd --mode=shutdown" using about 5% cpu
[11:52] <TandyUK2> first of all, what is plymouthd? and second how do i make this machien reboot?
[12:05] <RyanC> TnadyUK2 - Have a look here for info on plymouthd https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth
[12:05] <Zinn> [wiki.ubuntu.com] Plymouth - Ubuntu Wiki
[12:09] <RyanC> TandyUK2 - Sorry I type you handle wrong last time.  See my comment above for info on plymouthd
[12:10] <TandyUK2> ok, so onto question 2...
[12:10] <TandyUK2> how do i reboot this machine, (im remote), i can see plymouthd running in shutdown mode, but ive been waiting over an hour now for an actual reboot
[12:11] <TandyUK2> it hasnt even disconneted my ssh session, but X is down so i can no longer vnc into the machine
[12:14] <TandyUK2> in case it matters, this is part of a multi frontend system
[12:14] <TandyUK2> the master backend has had its update ok now
[12:14] <TandyUK2> but this frontend is still giving grief
[12:15] <TandyUK2> could it be related to this frontend being unable to communicate with the ackend
[12:15] <TandyUK2> both were running 0.24
[12:15] <TandyUK2> the backend is now on 0.25, the same update i was planning to run on this frontend once it has rebooted
[12:16] <TandyUK2> also there has been nothing logged to /var/log/syslog since 12:00 wwhen i issued the first shutdown command
[12:17] <TandyUK2> (now 13:16)
[12:21] <TandyUK2> ok
[12:21] <TandyUK2> root     16275  0.0  0.0   4272   692 ?        S    12:00   0:00 /bin/sh /etc/rc6.d/K19lirc stop
[12:21] <TandyUK2> that was stopping it, as soon as i "kill -9 16275" the reboot has happened
[13:53] <TandyUK2> how would i go about creating a local copy of the mythbuntu repo, and making clients use the loca copy for updates
[13:53] <tgm4883> TandyUK2, just like you would for any other repo
[13:53] <TandyUK2> currently I am updating 2 boxes at the same site so its not so bad, but another one of my customers has 7 frontends so id rather avoid the download 7 times
[13:54] <tgm4883> do you update every day?
[13:54] <TandyUK2> apprantly not, despite it being enabled
[13:54] <tgm4883> well you would have to run apt-get update/upgrade every day
[13:55] <TandyUK2> myth has no auto update?
[13:55] <tgm4883> no
[13:55] <TandyUK2> well that explains why auto updates arent working
[13:55] <TandyUK2> im sure it used to
[13:55] <tgm4883> nope
[13:55] <TandyUK2> not dist upgrades ofc
[13:55] <tgm4883> we do daily builds
[13:56] <tgm4883> but you machine isn't automatically downloading and upgrading those builds
[13:57] <TandyUK2> im talking about apt only here
[13:57] <tgm4883> ah
[13:57] <TandyUK2> id like to have machine A download all the updates from the internet and cache them somehow, so that machines B,C,D,.... can get the update from the other local machine
[13:57] <TandyUK2> rather than downloading it from the net 7 times
[13:57] <tgm4883> TandyUK2, you want squid-deb-proxy
[13:58] <tgm4883> and squid-deb-proxy-client
[13:58] <TandyUK2> ok, so if i install that, how do i configure a) it, and b) the other 6 machines to use the local cache?
[13:58] <tgm4883> one machine gets squid-deb-proxy, all get squid-deb-proxy-client
[13:58] <tgm4883> like ^
[13:58] <tgm4883> it's autoconfigure
[13:58] <TandyUK2> oh ok
[13:59] <tgm4883> the squid-deb-proxy machine is the server
[13:59] <tgm4883> the -client machines will update from the server, using avahi (i think) for autodiscovery
[13:59] <TandyUK2> ok, then what schedule an apt-get update on machine A via cron
[13:59] <tgm4883> the server machine will need both packages
[13:59] <TandyUK2> and say half hour later on all the other clients?
[14:00] <tgm4883> TandyUK2, there is some functionality for doing automatic upgrades in apt, I don't recall what it is though
[14:18] <Zinn> [freenode.net] freenode: frequently-asked questions
[15:31] <TandyUK2> myth 0.26?
[15:31] <TandyUK2> http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[15:31] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[15:31] <TandyUK2> apart from that page i cant find any reference to 0.26 anywhere on mythbuntu;s site
[15:33] <TandyUK2> ahha  - Note: Please note that the following reflects changes for a future release of MythTV currently in development and not recommended for production use. The current release is 0.25.
[15:33] <TandyUK2> maybe put "alpha" or "beta" next to the option to choose it in MCC?
[15:34] <tgm4883> TandyUK2, doesn't it show a big giant warning if you select 0.26?
[15:34] <TandyUK2> dunno i didnt actually click it lol
[15:34] <tgm4883> so click it
[15:35] <TandyUK2> initially just wondered wtf 0.26 was lol
[15:35] <tgm4883> presumably it's a mythtv release
[15:35] <tgm4883> being that the current one is 0.25
[15:35] <tgm4883> and the previous one is 0.24
[15:35] <TandyUK2> no lol 0.25 is the current one
[15:35] <tgm4883> 0.26 must be the next one
[15:35] <TandyUK2> 0.26 doesnt exist as far as mythtv is concernedd
[15:35] <TandyUK2> not yet anyway
[15:36] <TandyUK2> but yeah having selected it i see the big warning :)
[15:36] <tgm4883> hmm, if only that was explained somewhere
[15:36] <tgm4883> I see there is a series listed that doesn't exist yet upstream (eg. 0.25). How is this possible?
[15:36] <tgm4883> The Mythbuntu team provides repos for each MythTV series. The development builds (often referred to as master) will be available in a repo named for the next major MythTV release. (ie. If 0.24 is the current version, master builds will be in the 0.25 repo even if upstream doesn't have a 0.25 branch yet). This allows users to select the development version and through regular updates eventually get that version when it is released.
[15:36] <tgm4883> from the webpage you listed
[15:38] <TandyUK2> yeah i was just confused considering mythtv havent even created 0.25-fixes yet, let alone anything to do with post 0.25
[15:38] <TandyUK2> your pre-empting the future in MCC lol
[15:39] <tgm4883> there is a 0.25 fixes
[15:40] <tgm4883> that confusion, is why the FAQ was created
[15:54] <TandyUK2> is it possible to do video playlists yet?
[17:20] <TandyUK2> "Tuner 5 has an error"  how do i see what error?
[17:20] <TandyUK2> since upgrading to 12.04 i now have no ability to watch tv
[17:23] <TandyUK2> oh i think i see if it has reset to the errors i had last time
[17:24] <TandyUK2> May  1 18:22:40 myth-bedroom mythbackend[8508]: W CoreContext dvbchannel.cpp:347 (CheckFrequency) DVBChan(25:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Your frequency setting (10802750) is out of range. (min/max:48000000/860000000)
[17:24] <TandyUK2> its trying to tune in DVB-T channels on the DVB-S card and vice versa
[17:24] <TandyUK2> although all my card and input assignments are still correct
[17:25] <TandyUK2> last time, each time i did a reboot, it woudl randomly assign the /dev/dvb/...  and they were changing which card was adapter0/1/2 on each boot
[17:28] <tgm4883> TandyUK2, sounds like you need to setup a udev rule
[17:29] <TandyUK2> i just checked, and its still there
[17:29] <TandyUK2> options dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1 adapter_nr=1
[17:29] <TandyUK2> options ngene adapter_nr=0
[17:29] <TandyUK2> unless thats another thing thats changed in ubuntu
[17:31] <TandyUK2> i remember i really struggled to get this working last time
[17:31] <TandyUK2> we have for example, bbc1
[17:31] <TandyUK2> it is available on both DVB-S and DVB-T but obviosuly with different tuning settings
[17:31] <TandyUK2> I had it setup so that if someone tried recording somethign on bbc1, it would first try both inputs of the DVB-s card, and if unavailable fall back to DVB-T
[17:32] <dekarl> TandyUK2: I locked them down with adapter_nr=xyz, too works well when your DVB-S/T card use different drivers
[17:32] <TandyUK2> but then theres also all the channels which are ONLY available on either the DVB-S or DVB-T cards
[17:32] <TandyUK2> i have seperate video sources for each card
[17:33] <TandyUK2> and then mapped to the right cards in input connections
[17:36] <dekarl> TandyUK2: I have one source "FTA", one source "Cable" and another "Internet Streams" each connected to matching cards
[17:37] <TandyUK2> http://pastebin.com/a7dFeZy6
[17:37] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] May 1 18:36:33 myth-bedroom mythbackend[10072]: E ProcessRequest mainserver.cpp - Pastebin.com
[17:37] <TandyUK2> thats the backend log when i try clicking "Watch TV"
[17:37] <dekarl> Then I changed the callsigns of all channels that I want the scheduler to consider the same to match. e.g. "ZDF HD" and "ZDF" on all sources
[17:37] <TandyUK2> yeah thats already all done, and has been saved through the update
[17:38] <TandyUK2> in backend setup, everything is correct
[17:39] <dekarl> hmm, and you have checked that the physical cards still map to the correct video sources via the locking down you did? Then its possible that the video sources got mixed up (eg when scanning the DVB-S card while it was connected to the DVB-T source and vice verse)
[17:40] <TandyUK2> well input connections are still correct
[17:40] <TandyUK2> although that does seem to be what its doing
[17:40] <TandyUK2> the second frontend on the  DVB-S card is showing errors
[17:41] <TandyUK2> i would try the other card, but i dont know how to forcibly change input card when myth wont actually let me into "watch tv" in the first place
[17:41] <TandyUK2> it just flashes a black screen, and back to the menu
[17:44] <dekarl> "Your frequency setting (10802750) is out of range. (min/max:48000000/860000000)" <- that sounds alot like tuning to DVB-S on a DVB-T card
[17:44] <dekarl> the DVB-S frequency being in kHz and the DVB-T one in Hz
[17:45] <TandyUK2> yeah im just trying to work out why
[17:45] <dekarl> so its 10802 MHz is not between 480MHz and 860MHz, which is correct
[17:46] <TandyUK2> ok wtf lol
[17:46] <dekarl> have you looked at the channels of the DVB-T video source? Maybe some DVB-S channels got added ;)
[17:46] <TandyUK2> DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (DiBcom 3000MC/P)...
[17:47] <TandyUK2> that card has adapter0/frontend0 and adapter0/frontend1  (at least it used to....)
[17:47] <TandyUK2> DVB: registering adapter 2 frontend 0 (STV090x Multistandard)...
[17:47] <TandyUK2> DVB: registering adapter 3 frontend 0 (STV090x Multistandard)...
[17:47] <TandyUK2> so whhat happened to adapter 1 lol
[17:48] <dekarl> sounds like dual DVB-T first, then dual DVB-S
[17:48] <TandyUK2> yeah which is the complete reverse of what my modprobe options say
[17:49] <TandyUK2> options ngene adapter_nr=0    <<< DVB-S card
[17:49] <TandyUK2> options dvb_usb_dib0700 force_lna_activation=1 adapter_nr=1   <<< DVB-T card
[17:50] <dekarl> I have: options dvb-usb-dib0700 adapter_nr=2,3
[17:52] <dekarl> hmm, I wanted to point out the TWO adapter numbers, but now I see "minus" instead of "underline"... strange
[17:52] <TandyUK2> yeah that i really dont get
[17:52] <dekarl> google fight says minus is better
[17:55] <dekarl> for the second tuner: "options ngene one_adapter=0" and to make it the right ids add "adapter_nr=2,3"
[17:55] <dekarl> taken from http://wiki.easy-vdr.de/index.php/CineS2
[17:55] <Zinn> [wiki.easy-vdr.de] CineS2 â EasyVDR Wiki
[18:02] <TandyUK2> the linuxtv wiki contradicts itself in terms of - vs _
[18:02] <TandyUK2> it starts listing everything with _'s but toward the end of the document its listing with -'s
[18:03] <dekarl> well, I use the minus and when I have typoes in force_lantypo_activation I end up with no card at all ;)
[18:03] <TandyUK2> also just renamed my /etc/modprobe.d/options  options.conf
[18:03] <TandyUK2> see if that helps
[18:03] <dekarl> I call mine dvb.conf
[18:05] <TandyUK2> ok well now i seemm to have 4 adapters
[18:05] <TandyUK2> is this some undocumented change in the drivers
[18:06] <TandyUK2> the dvb-t card used to create   /adapterX/frontend0 and /adapterX/frontend1
[18:06] <TandyUK2> now i seem to have /adapter0/frontend0 and /adapter1/frontend0
[18:06] <TandyUK2> which would explain a lot
[18:07] <TandyUK2>  /adapter1/frontend0 is supposed to be a DVB-S card
[18:09] <dekarl> I think /adapterX/frontend0 and /adapterX+1/frontend0 make more sense for two inputs that can be used independently
[18:10] <dekarl> but either way, if you got 4 adapters now you can hook them up to mythtv and connect them to the correct video source :) sounds like you're almost there
[18:10] <TandyUK2> yeah I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY IT CHANGEDD
[18:11] <TandyUK2> and my fking kvm decides to hold down shift for me again :(
[18:11] <dekarl> maybe because you gave it two adapter_nr=s?
[18:11] <TandyUK2> no i didnt
[18:11] <dekarl> or because of an update
[18:12] <TandyUK2> its the bloody 12.04 update
[18:12] <dekarl> where did you come from?
[18:12] <dekarl> I have 2 adapters for that card on 11.04
[18:12] <TandyUK2> lol 9.04 originally
[18:12] <TandyUK2> ive had issues each time ive upgraded first to 10.something, then 11.04
[18:13] <dekarl> Ahh, that must be an old kernel then... I'm on 2.6.38 and you are likely on 3.2.xyz now
[18:13] <TandyUK2> and today going from 11.x t 12.04
[18:13] <TandyUK2> yeah the last update killed everything when it upgraded me to the new 3.x kernel
[18:13] <TandyUK2> does anybody besides ubuntu actually use 3. yet?
[18:13] <TandyUK2> i was under the impression odd numbers mean BETA in the kernel
[18:14] <tgm4883> TandyUK2, that was the 2.x series
[18:14] <TandyUK2> so we shoudlnt be using it at all until its released under 4.0
[18:14] <tgm4883> everything changed with the 3.x release
[18:14] <TandyUK2> well aint that helpful lol
[18:16] <dekarl> wasnt that related to the second number? 2.1/2.3/2.5 unstable and 2.2,2.4,2.6 stable, but with 3.x its 3.1,3.2,3.x all are equally stable?
[18:16] <tgm4883> yes
[18:16] <tgm4883> that's why users only see the 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 kernels
[18:17] <tgm4883> when 3.0 shipped, it only had 3.x, dropping the 3rd number (eg 2.6.32)
[18:18] <TandyUK2> surely thats even less helpful
[18:18] <TandyUK2> so bug fixes in 3.2 become 3.3 or 3.2.something?
[18:19] <TandyUK2> ok when tuning a channel can someone tell me what the
[18:19] <TandyUK2> (TLMS) Lock mmeans
[18:19] <TandyUK2> iv also seen (TLMS) Partial lock
[18:19] <tgm4883> I believe that was dropped, at least for compatibility reasons
[18:19] <tgm4883> it's now 3.x.x
[18:20] <TandyUK2> and now just (_LMS) Lock
[18:20] <TandyUK2> i have tv again now though :)
[18:21] <dekarl> TandyUK2: I miss the T, too
[18:21] <TandyUK2> dos anyone know what it actually meant?
[18:21] <dekarl> see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning
[18:21] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Channel tuning - MythTV Official Wiki
[18:21] <dekarl> its knowledge passed only from the master to the apprentice (aka well hidden)
[18:22] <dekarl> you will only find that page if you know what to search for ;)
[18:22] <TandyUK2> aye like a LOT of mythtv stuff
[18:22] <TandyUK2> which i usually get moaned at for  not knowing what to google for lol
[18:23] <dekarl> you could add something like "you are right here is you want to know what lms or tlms mean" to the page so the next person can actually find it
[18:23] <TandyUK2> that would involve registering on the wiki
[18:24] <TandyUK2> id prefer to get my customers systemns fixed and get down the pub tbh :P
[18:24] <TandyUK2> i dread if the hotels upgrade goes this well though
[18:24] <TandyUK2> they have 8 frontends in the building
[18:25] <TandyUK2> at least this customer is 1 shared fe/be and 1 fe
[18:25] <TandyUK2> far less complicated lol
[18:38] <dekarl> TandyUK2: you don't simply netboot all 1/8 frontends from the backend, do you? shouldn't make much of a difference then ;)
[18:38] <TandyUK2> er no
[18:39] <TandyUK2> where the guide on doing that lol
[18:39] <TandyUK2> i use netboot for installing oses usually lol
[18:39] <TandyUK2> although mythbutnu didnt like it so i resorted to an actual disk!
[18:40] <dekarl> oh, once upon a time it was directly in MythbuntuControlCenter, but now you have to manually setup the LTSP packages... works well though
[18:45] <TandyUK2> argh getting all the screwed up problems today lol
[18:46] <TandyUK2> reinstalled a windoex xp home machine, nvidia nforce network card onboard
[18:46] <TandyUK2> with th cable connected at boot, it dhcps an ip, but then fails to ping anything
[18:46] <TandyUK2> post boot it wont even dhcp an address
[20:48] <qwebirc38959> Has anyone else had problems with MythFrontend freezing after a video ends since .25?
[20:50] <rhpot1991> qwebirc38959: nope, are you up to date?
[21:34] <qwebirc38959> rhpot1991: yeah, I'm on .25-fixes and I just updated this morning. It started about 2 weeks ago I think
[21:54] <rogue780> hi superm1
[21:55] <rogue780> hey, would it be possible to install mythbuntu and then use the box to just passthrough the rca video and audio coming in from my hauppauge pvr 150 and have it come out fullscreen vga?
[21:56] <tgm4883> yes
[21:56] <tgm4883> but let me ask you this
[21:56] <tgm4883> are you trying to transfer VHS tapes or record a video game?
[22:01] <tgm4883> well either way, you probably won't be able to do either
[22:02] <tgm4883> if you are trying to transfer your old VHS tapes to a digital format, you'll likely have to deal with macrovision copy protection. You'll probably need a device inbetween to remove it (you'll know it's an issue if the video gets brighter and darker as you watch)
[22:04] <tgm4883> If you are trying to record a video game, the recording of it will likely introduce enough lag to cause you issues. The only way I've seen that not is when using a device that can do passthrough itself (like the HDPVR) and not require the computer to view the signal
[22:05] <tgm4883> But go ahead and come in here, ask a question, get an almost immediate response, and never respond to anything
[22:05] <tgm4883> It's not like I took any time getting that info for you
[22:05] <rogue780> sorry, was changing a diaper
[22:06] <tgm4883> well that's sh**ty ;)
[22:07] <tgm4883> I'm just bitter because I'm having trouble with some Active Directory integration stuff
[22:08] <rogue780> so, my church is hosting a simulcast of a leadership conference on friday and we're using the internet stream to show on our screens. there is also a satellite backup in case the feed goes down. for some reason (probably poorly shielded coax), the satellite quality is degraded by the time it gets to our screens, but it's good from the tuner box.
[22:08] <tgm4883> hmm
[22:08] <tgm4883> are you planning on recording it?
[22:09] <rogue780> so, in order to save cost and come up with a quick solution, I had the idea to use my old mythTV box that I had from 2007 to take the satellite input and then use it to then send it back out as via through our system that is already working
[22:09] <rogue780> and then it would have the added benefit of recording it so we didn't miss anything if we do lose the internet stream and there is a delay between switching over
[22:10] <tgm4883> so coming out of the computer would be VGA?
[22:10] <rogue780> yes
[22:10] <tgm4883> that should be fine then
[22:10] <tgm4883> You'll have to setup a manual recording
[22:10] <tgm4883> since there would be no scheduling data
[22:11] <rogue780> right
[22:11] <tgm4883> then either start playback of the recording right after it starts or just start it when the feed dies
[22:11] <rogue780> cool. I'll go ahead and give it a load and mess with ti, now that I have some confidence that it will work
[22:12] <rogue780> out of curiosity, what to US users use for scheduling data now that zap2it stopped giving it out for free?
[22:12] <rogue780> I moved right before that change happened and didn't keep up with it
[22:12] <tgm4883> schedules direct
[22:12] <tgm4883> !SD
[22:13] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about SD
[22:13] <tgm4883> !sd
[22:13] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about sd
[22:13] <tgm4883> !sched%
[22:13] <Zinn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[22:13]  * tgm4883 sighs
[22:13] <tgm4883> they have a website, google knows where it is
[22:14] <rogue780> cool
[22:14] <rogue780> and one last thing…do you know if my pair of per 150s can get digital ota broadcasts?
[22:15] <rogue780> or i could just google it
[22:17] <rogue780> thanks tgm4883
[22:18] <tgm4883> rogue780, PVR150's are analog only
[22:20] <rogue780> thanks
[22:51] <chuckf> I just upgraded to precise and have run into a minor problem. I use a PS3 for a frontend. Prior to the upgrade when I navigated the available videos they were displayed in folders. Now I just get an alphabetical list of videos, and even that is not a complete list as it was when displayed as folders
[22:52] <chuckf> I figure a setting has changed somewhere, but in the couple of hours of research I've not found the setting for this
[23:15] <imaginal> I'm having issues streaming live tv from a second frontend computer. The frontend log just states the backend is misconfigured.
[23:15] <imaginal> The backend log shows "max required free space: 3.0gb w/freq: 14min, then changes from WatchingLiveTV to None
[23:17] <imaginal> The primary backend is on at least 100gb, I'm not quite sure what I'm missing.
[23:18] <imaginal> It has to be a configuration error, but I can't track it down.