[00:16]  * Ezim are going to bed. bye!
[07:14] <jussi> Good morning everyone
[07:26] <Darkwing> Anyone else having major akonadi and PIM issues with 12.04?
[07:30] <jussi> Darkwing: I havent noticed them, but havent used the 12.04 PC since friday
[07:31] <Darkwing> I updated last night and BAM it died. :(
[07:39] <jussi> Darkwing: nice birthday present :P
[09:05] <pvivek> could anyone suggest me on some beginner bugs. I am searching. I am unable to find something which i can understand
[09:06] <Riddell> pvivek: to triage?
[09:07] <Riddell> or to fix?
[09:07] <pvivek> Riddell : this will be first time. I was thinking of contributing by starting to fix bugs
[09:07] <Mamarok> Riddell: the patch you proposed yesterday, I finally got the CMake.Lists.txt from oneiric and could apply the patch partially, it rejected the WIN32 part, but I guess that is OK?
[09:08] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes
[09:08]  * Mamarok tries to build now
[09:09] <Riddell> pvivek: fixing bugs needs the relevant skill to fix it, c++, python, packaging, etc
[09:09] <Riddell> pvivek: triaging bugs needs ability to diagnose and decide on importance and if it can be sent elsewhere
[09:10] <Riddell> so it depends on your skills and interests :)
[09:10] <Mamarok> arghs, now I get this:
[09:10] <Mamarok> CMake Error at src/CMakeLists.txt:27 (add_subdirectory):
[09:10] <Mamarok>   add_subdirectory given source "themes" which is not an existing directory.
[09:10] <pvivek> Riddell : I have  the basic knowledge of c,c++,python. i am ready to learn more. i'll start with fixing. After i get used to stuff , i'll get a better knowledge on how to evaluate on bugs
[09:11] <Mamarok> triaging is easier than fixing IMHO :)
[09:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: if you're using the oneiric CMakeLists.txt file with amarok from git then they won't go, that's an old source file in a new package
[09:11] <Mamarok> oh crap, why did you have to move that mysql in the first place?
[09:11] <pvivek> Mamarok : will give it a try.
[09:12] <Riddell> pvivek:  Bug 928400 language selector kde bug  is a python coding one
[09:12] <Riddell> [Bug 928009] [NEW] Kubuntu missing someKDE API 4.6 include files    is a C++ issue, I've not looked at it, might be a non-issue for all I know
[09:12] <Riddell> [Bug 919460] Re: Default config path setting for Kgpg is out of date   needs a checkup on
[09:13] <Riddell> getting krdc to use kde telepathy  worth investigating
[09:14] <pvivek> Riddell : thanks will look into them :)
[09:14] <Riddell> Mamarok: you can try applying the patch from precise or just applying it by hand
[09:14] <Riddell> pvivek: good luck!
[09:15] <Mamarok> Riddell: I tried, but that didn't work
[09:15] <Mamarok> can't I just add a path so it finds the library?
[09:15] <Mamarok> I don't need a multiarch build
[09:16] <gorgonizer> Riddell: I ran into Launchpad bug 928009 whilst trying to add the TV search feature to nepomuk..
[09:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: rebuilding mysql isn't trivial
[09:17] <Riddell> gorgonizer: mm, so real problem then, probably upstream's fault
[09:17] <Mamarok> how on earth can I build from git then?
[09:18] <Riddell> Mamarok: cloneing
[09:18] <Mamarok> it worked fine with Oneiric without having to tweak anything, why on precise?
[09:18] <gorgonizer> Riddell: it appears that there should be a kde-runtime-devel package containing header files for nepomuk so new nepomuk sources can be built.. I resolved it personally by getting the Red Hat packge of the same name and running it through Alien.. seems to work fine..
[09:19] <Riddell> :)
[09:19] <Riddell> pvivek: ^^
[09:22] <Riddell> Mamarok: precice patch applies fine to git people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/telepathy-qt4_0.9.0+repack-0ubuntu3.debdif
[09:22] <Riddell> no
[09:22] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/DIFF
[09:22] <Riddell> that's the one
[09:22] <Riddell> patch -p1 < DIFF
[09:22]  * Mamarok tries again
[09:24] <pvivek> Riddell : i was thinkin of lookin at it :P
[09:31] <Mamarok> Riddell: doesn't work: http://paste.kde.org/425654
[09:33] <KRF> Mamarok: you're doing sth wrong, worked like a charm for me
[09:33] <KRF> is your CWD amarok/?
[09:34] <Mamarok> CWD?
[09:34] <KRF> current working directory
[09:34] <Riddell> you need to be in the top directory of the checkout
[09:34] <Mamarok> ah, let's try again...
[09:35] <KRF> we need to fixup FindMySqlAmarok.cmake in our repository to handle this
[09:35] <KRF> i'll take care of it when i find the time
[09:36] <Mamarok> now I get this:
[09:36] <Mamarok> patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
[09:36] <Mamarok> Hunk #1 succeeded at 36 with fuzz 1.
[09:36] <Mamarok> for the third file
[09:37] <Riddell> "succeeded" is the critical word there
[09:37] <Riddell> it's all good
[09:37] <Mamarok> OK :)
[09:38]  * Mamarok builds again
[09:52] <Mamarok> it worked :)
[09:52] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks a lot!
[09:52] <Mamarok> KRF: ditto
[09:53] <Riddell> yay
[09:54] <Riddell> Mamarok: worth writing this up on the amarok wiki for new developers
[09:54] <Mamarok> I will right now
[10:08] <Mamarok> Riddell: updated the wiki: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/2.0_Development_HowTo#Changes_in_MySQL_for_Kubuntu_Oeniric_and_Debian_Sid
[10:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: nice, can you add the command needed and say it needs to be run from top checkout directory?
[10:13] <Riddell> hmm we can get rid of kubuntu-common now
[10:13] <Riddell> no need for it without netbook
[10:14] <Mamarok> yes, will do that now, I had to update my blog as well :)
[10:16] <Sput> apachelogger: with the upgraded KDE, multidisplay works fine again, thanks for pointing me to the reason :)
[10:28] <shadeslayer_> \o
[10:31] <Riddell> hi shadeslayer_
[10:32] <shadeslayer_> ssup Riddell
[10:34] <Riddell> working on kubuntu active seeds
[10:36] <Riddell> agateau_: is it an idea to use lightdm-kde on kubuntu active?  (unsupported tech preview remix at best)
[10:40] <shadeslayer_> ^ I have one argument against that
[10:40] <shadeslayer_> I have yet to find a way to disable autologin
[10:41] <shadeslayer_> oh wait, for active that's a good idea
[10:41] <Riddell> :)
[10:41] <shadeslayer_> because you usually dont' have a keyboard :P
[10:42] <bulldog98> shadeslayer_: yes that’s why I dislike kdm for kubuntu-active
[10:42] <shadeslayer_> bulldog98: hehe :D
[10:42]  * Riddell removes oxygen-icon-theme-complete from kubuntu/desktop for i386 as a quick way to get CD size down
[10:42] <bulldog98> shadeslayer_: btw we don’t have dolphin in the active seed and kpat is also missing
[10:42]  * shadeslayer_ ponders why his program crashes at 130       addr->s.ip4.sin_family = AF_INET;
[10:42] <bulldog98> shadeslayer_: and the seed starts plasma-desktop
[10:42] <shadeslayer_> bulldog98: best to tell that to Riddell
[10:43] <bulldog98> Riddell: ^
[10:43]  * shadeslayer_ has no access to seeds
[10:45] <Riddell> bulldog98: does kpat have a suitable active UI?
[10:46] <Riddell> bulldog98: does dolphin have a suitable active UI?
[10:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: I have played it often with touchscreen it works quite good without any change
[10:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: also I recommend using calligra-active and kontact-mobile
[10:48] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll have time from Wednesday
[10:48] <bulldog98> on
[10:48] <bulldog98> to check for active
[10:49] <Riddell> groovy, adding calligra-active and kontact-mobile
[10:49] <Riddell> upstream says filesystem isn't very plasma activey so no file manager
[10:49] <bulldog98> that’s ok as soon as it really runs plasma-active
[10:54]  * Riddell ponders about if plasma-widget-menubar should be on active
[11:04] <Riddell> 11:03 < notmart> it uses startactive (own repo) instead of startkde
[11:04] <Riddell> 11:03 < notmart> so a session could be created in whatever login manager that uses startactive
[11:04] <Riddell> rbelem: any plasma to package that? ^^
[11:04] <Riddell> got weird typo there
[11:04] <Riddell> rbelem: any plans to package that? ^^
[11:06] <jussi> o/
[11:07] <Riddell> india woken up, now it's the fatherly Finnish to wake up
[11:07] <Riddell> jussi: how's the bairn?
[11:07] <jussi> Riddell: doing great! (she got a name, as you probably noticed from /topic) :D
[11:08] <bulldog98> jussi: congrats
[11:08] <jussi> :)
[11:08] <jussi> thanks bulldog98
[11:12] <bulldog98> Riddell: when will the new image be build?
[11:12] <Riddell> jussi: "Darkwing"?
[11:13] <jussi> Riddell: ...
[11:13] <Riddell> bulldog98: dunno I hope to play with scripts today, nobody knows what needs done so it might be easy or I might get blocked
[11:13] <jussi> Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Happy birthday Darkwing! | Precise: Feature Freeze, time to squish beasties | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-kubuntu.html TODOs! | Kubuntu is alive and weller than before!! Read:http://wp.me/pQ8xr-gr | Jussi's new baby's name is Elodi! :)
[11:13] <Riddell> jussi: almost Scottish sounding :)
[11:14] <jussi> Riddell: hehe
[11:20] <yofel> morning
[11:21] <yofel> congrats jussi :D
[11:21] <davmor2> jussi: Congrats to mrs jussi
[11:21] <davmor2> jussi: oh and you :)
[11:24] <yofel> is there any other impact of disabling -Bsymbolic-functions for a package other than a bit slower library loading?
[11:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: could you ping me if a new image is ready?
[11:25] <Riddell> oh I'll be pinging the whole world if I get it working :)
[11:26] <Riddell> yofel: I'm not sure, maybe agateau_ or barry know
[11:26] <bulldog98> Riddell: you can ping me to test it on my touchpad
[11:26] <yofel> k
[11:26] <bulldog98> s/touchpad/tablet/
[11:26] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "Riddell: you can ping me to test it on my tablet"
[11:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: that's i386 based?
[11:26] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[11:26] <Riddell> great
[11:27] <bulldog98> Riddell: it’s an ExoPc sponsered by Intel
[11:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh did you get that at a geek event?
[11:28] <bulldog98> Riddell: desktopSummit
[11:30]  * bulldog98 doesn’t know if he can come to Akademy this year (university and I still don’t know when exams will be)
[11:31]  * yofel has school and definitely has no time :(
[11:32] <bulldog98> yofel: :(
[11:32] <bulldog98> yofel: do you come to LinuxTag in Berlin this year?
[11:33] <yofel> no, I would be able to if it was a week later...
[12:14] <Riddell> bambee_: get the N9?
[12:43] <bambee_> Riddell: yes :)
[12:43] <bambee_> wonderful device really
[12:43]  * jussi has an n950 and agrees with bambee_
[12:43] <bambee_> well, wonderfly os and device
[12:44] <Riddell> n950 surely isn't n9?
[12:44] <bambee_> both run on meego harmattan
[12:44] <bambee_> but the hardware is different, jussi: can you confirm?
[12:44] <Riddell> ah yes. kde packages now being worked on by djszapi for harmattan
[12:45] <jussi> yeah, some hw parts are different
[12:45] <jussi> like the screen, and camera, and lack of NFS, and the fact the n950 has a physical keyboard...
[12:46] <jussi> but its the same processor/platform
[12:46] <Riddell> iphone users are all happy without a physical keyboard, how does the n9 fare for that bambee_?
[12:49] <bambee_> I think I am confusing with the n900
[12:51] <Riddell> bambee_: ok but does the n9 work well without one?
[12:52] <tazz> n900 > N9 > n950
[12:52] <tazz> no actually n900 >> N9 > N950 (just because it has a physical keyboard)
[12:53] <apol> tazz: n950 has a keyboard too
[12:53] <tazz> apol, hence n950 is better than N9
[12:53] <tazz> oops
[12:53] <apol> :P
[12:53] <tazz> n900 << N9 < N950
[12:53] <tazz> :D
[12:53] <jussi> n950 is nice, but I want the n9 screen
[12:54] <apol> they're all awesome and dead :D
[12:54] <tazz> apol, N9 and N950 have better hardware.
[12:54] <apol> yes
[12:55] <tazz> also take into account that they all run on a dead plate form. So if you are going to spend money. Make sure this device is for fun/hacking. Not your primary means of communication.
[12:58] <jussi> tazz: dead plate form?
[12:58] <jussi> dead platform?
[12:58]  * jussi uses n950 as a primary device and it works well...
[12:58] <tazz> yea sorry for that. Disabled auto-correction now :p
[12:58] <jussi> besides, mer/nemo is hardly dead...
[12:59] <tazz> i hardly see any more releases for pinetree
[12:59] <tazz> pinetrail*
[13:05] <bambee_> Riddell: yes it does
[13:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[15:09] <rbelem> Riddell, yup
[15:09] <rbelem> Riddell, it is almost done
[15:09] <bulldog98> rbelem: hi
[15:09] <rbelem> bulldog98, heya :-)
[15:10] <bulldog98> rbelem: what are you working on atm?
[15:10] <rbelem> Riddell, i didnt finish it because my son got a flu
[15:11] <rbelem> bulldog98, finish startactive and declarative-plasmoids
[15:11] <bulldog98> rbelem: kool
[15:12] <rbelem> bulldog98, after that finish the seeds and meta package
[15:12] <bulldog98> do we have a startactive as the startcommand in the session file for plasma-active
[15:12] <rbelem> bulldog98, it will install its own desktop file in the /usr/share/sessions
[15:12] <bulldog98> rbelem, Riddell: meta package is good, should we coordinate the packages on a wiki page ore something like that
[15:13] <bulldog98> rbelem: the only thing we need is that you can deinstall plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook, without having to deinstall plasma-active
[15:14] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup... i think it will work this way now
[15:15] <bulldog98> rbelem: I’ll test it at  4 a clock UTC and will report what’s broken
[15:15] <rbelem> thanks bulldog98 :-)
[15:15] <bulldog98> should I setup a wiki page for the kubuntu active package seed?
[15:15] <rbelem> bulldog98, there are still some apps that need packaging
[15:16] <bulldog98> rbelem: I’ll write a maths exam at wednesday
[15:16] <bulldog98> after that I’ll have time
[15:16] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup :-) there is a meta package in the kubuntu-active ppa
[15:16] <rbelem> bulldog98, you can start form there
[15:17] <rbelem> bulldog98, and this one lp:~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed
[15:21] <bulldog98> should I create a wiki page Kubuntu/Active page on our wiki?
[15:22] <bulldog98> so we could track what packags are still to do, which are in the archive, what’s in the seed/meta-package etc
[15:24] <bulldog98> Riddell, rbelem, apachelogger: ^
[15:41] <rbelem> bulldog98, yup :-)
[15:52] <BluesKaj> I see the new pacucontrol in pulseaudio finally has a proper role to play in enabling DD, DTS and EAC3 passthru to a DAC ... makes me happy , so far :)
[15:57] <apachelogger> rbelem: you know a script that creates an html page would be much nicer ^^
[16:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, iirc it can be paste in the wiki. its format is wiki friendly
[16:10] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:10] <apachelogger> just a thought ^^
[16:35] <bulldog98> so I’ve got a first list running https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Active
[16:36] <bulldog98> rbelem, Riddell: how do I build the seed for testing?
[17:00] <apachelogger> bulldog98: build?
[17:00] <apachelogger> bulldog98: germinate
[17:00] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok
[17:00] <apachelogger> will spit out a list of all stuff that is pulled in by the seed
[17:00] <apachelogger> building an actual image from the seed is idefinitely more complex :P
[17:01] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but that’s what I wanted :(
[17:02] <apachelogger> bulldog98: do we have a seed already?
[17:02] <apachelogger> if so, I guess talking to cjwatson is in order to get ISOs built from the seed
[17:03] <bulldog98> yes in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active-seed/
[17:04] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I guess he’s offline
[17:05] <yofel> bulldog98: -> #ubuntu-devel
[17:05] <bulldog98> yofel: ok
[17:08] <apachelogger> bulldog98: why would you switch to pvlc on active?
[17:08] <bulldog98> apachelogger: testing it out? and I think it’s the best working backend
[17:09] <apachelogger> that entirely depends on what you judge on http://community.kde.org/Phonon/FeatureMatrix :P
[17:11] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ok we stick to gstreamer
[17:13] <bulldog98> mgraesslin: for active should we use the gles kwin or normal kwin on i386?
[17:19] <apachelogger> bulldog98: no gles
[17:19] <bulldog98> ok
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> I finally fixed my wifi by reverting to linux 3.0.0 and deleting/re-adding my connection info :D
[17:52] <yofel> hey JontheEchidna
[17:52] <JontheEchidna> hi
[18:03] <ScottK> rbelem: Why is kde-active-artwork arch any?  It looks like all arch independent content?
[18:04] <ScottK> err kde-artwork-active
[18:04] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^?
[18:04] <ScottK> I accepted it, but please check for the next upload.
[18:08] <Peace-> anyone knows where dolphin read the places ?
[18:08] <Peace-> i can't figure out where my places are stored
[18:15] <rbelem> ScottK, my bad :-(
[18:16] <ScottK> rbelem: Not a big deal.  Please fix for next time.
[18:16] <rbelem> ScottK, oki
[18:16] <rbelem> thx ScottK
[18:16] <rbelem> Peace-, it is a bookmark file
[18:17] <rbelem> Peace-, ~/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml
[18:18] <Peace-> rbelem: good
[18:19] <rbelem> Peace-, i'm working to improve the places view. it will ready for 4.9
[18:21] <Peace-> rbelem: it should organize the stuff better
[18:21] <Darkwing> Morning
[18:21] <Darkwing> ish
[18:21] <Peace-> for example put download music documentes etc
[18:21] <rbelem> Peace-, i agree
[18:22] <rbelem> Peace-, next kde/kubuntu release it will look better
[18:22] <Peace-> and there is a way to put buttons on the right (up forward etc )
[18:22] <rbelem> and with more funcionality
[18:22] <Peace-> ?
[18:22] <rbelem> Peace-, in the current code?
[18:23] <Peace-> well i am using 4.8
[18:24] <rbelem> Peace-, i'm not sure
[18:25] <rbelem> Peace-, you can change the buttons order
[18:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: welcome back :)
[18:26] <Riddell> < bulldog98> rbelem, Riddell: how do I build the seed for testing?
[18:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: as I say that's not a trivial thing
[18:26] <Riddell> but maybe kubuntu-active meta package has appeared in New, seen it ScottK ?
[18:26] <rbelem> bulldog98, you can use wome linaro tools
[18:26] <rbelem> one minute
[18:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ping
[18:27] <Riddell> rbelem: I tidied up the seeds which are now at ~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active.precise
[18:27] <Peace-> rbelem: well i did this http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/20/plasma-desktopu10131.png it's very simple but i guess on the right would be more intuitive and comfortable
[18:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Not sure how to trigger, but this : http://paste.kde.org/426038/
[18:27] <rbelem> thx Riddell
[18:27] <Peace-> Riddell: hey how are you ? are your problems improving ?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> It was searching for some codec that dragon player wanted
[18:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: so if you have ideas on what should be on/off the active images then edit that
[18:28] <Riddell> bulldog98: there's also a kubuntu-active-meta package that'll need updated on changes
[18:28] <Riddell> Peace-: yes a wee bit better every day thanks
[18:28] <bulldog98> Riddell: lp branch?
[18:28] <Peace-> good
[18:29] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-active.precise
[18:29] <Riddell> the meta package has a script to update on that
[18:30] <Peace-> on telepathy can your login ? i mean with gmail?
[18:30] <Peace-> *you
[18:30] <rbelem> bulldog98, https://wiki.linaro.org/LiveHelper/Hacking
[18:31] <bulldog98> rbelem: my tablet is i386 based
[18:31] <rbelem> bulldog98, you can build i386 images with that
[18:32] <bulldog98> rbelem: nice
[18:33] <Riddell> Peace-: yes
[18:33] <Riddell> hi starbuck1
[18:33] <Riddell> (again)
[18:33] <Peace-> Riddell: wtf i get this mission-control[10408]: segfault at 2c ip b71ea92c sp bf9f1e70 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3116.0[b71b4000+f5000]
[18:33] <Peace-> and it dosn't connect
[18:34] <Riddell> Peace-: shrug, ask a telepathy person
[18:35] <Peace-> :D
[18:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: I meant a branch for the meta package
[18:39] <Peace-> rbelem: that file is created from something it seems there is not on /usr/share/kde4/apps
[18:39] <Riddell> bulldog98: none, it's just a script that updates from that branch
[18:39] <Riddell> apt-get source kubuntu-active-meta and see
[18:40] <Riddell> Peace-: mkdir ~/.cache/dconf/  is the bug I know about
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/b0958751ac8fe20a35f9cfc22cd22efbcd05e7b0
[18:43] <shadeslayer> \O/
[18:43] <Peace-> Riddell: but i have that folder i will try to remove the file i have into
[19:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I already let the active metapackage out of New.
[19:01] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks
[19:01] <Riddell> Darkwing: chit chat in an hour?
[19:01] <Darkwing> Riddell: Aye
[19:02] <Riddell> Darkwing: best ping people so they don't forget :)
[19:02] <Darkwing> Riddell: I was going to send an email but, Akonadi isn't working anymore.
[19:03] <Darkwing> How do I install the QtSQL driver 'QMYSQL'
[19:05] <yofel> Darkwing: is libqt4-sql-mysql installed?
[19:05] <yofel> and akonadi-backend-mysql
[19:07] <Darkwing> No and No.
[19:07] <yofel> bad
[19:07] <Darkwing> Why would those have not have updated with the update for 12.04?
[19:07] <yofel> iirc there was a conflict at some point which removed those
[19:07] <yofel> but that should've been fixed
[19:08] <Darkwing> It hadn't as of this morning but it works now.
[19:09] <Darkwing> Thanks yofel
[19:09] <yofel> which backend *did* you have installed btw.?
[19:09] <yofel> as at least one is required
[19:10] <Darkwing> akonadi settings said that mysql was there but, it wasn't.
[19:10] <Darkwing> I'm not sure
[19:10] <yofel> what does this say? apt-cache policy akonadi-backend-*
[19:13] <Darkwing> http://paste.kde.org/426080/
[19:13] <yofel> hm, sqlite was installed instead
[19:14] <Darkwing> But, it wouldn't load with sqlite either.
[19:14] <Darkwing> :/
[19:14] <Darkwing> It was pissing me off LOL
[19:15] <yofel> if the backend is changed you still need to change it in the settings too
[19:15] <yofel> or otherwise akonadi simply fails
[19:16] <Darkwing> I listed MySQL as my backend after I installed. It's working well now.
[19:16] <Darkwing> and it handles my massive inboxes just fine in 4.8
[19:17] <Darkwing> Riddell: sent
[19:17] <Riddell> gosh it's wendar, were you at fosdem wendar?
[19:18] <wendar> Riddell: yup, were you?
[19:18] <Riddell> wendar: I was running the KDE stall, didn't see you over the hallway on the ubuntu one though
[19:18] <wendar> Riddell: it was so intensely busy there, it seems like I missed a lot of people
[19:18] <Riddell> that always happens, it's an intense event :)
[19:19] <wendar> Riddell: I planned to spend the whole day at the Ubuntu booth, but it was so crowded, it seemed kinder to walk about to sessions and leave them the space
[19:19] <Riddell> I don't blame you for not being at the ubuntu stall, it was directly opposite toilets with blocked plumbing :)
[19:19] <wendar> Riddell: I did spend an hour or so chatting in front of it
[19:19] <wendar> Riddell: ah, the random chance of conference booths :)
[19:41] <apachelogger> one more time
[20:01] <Riddell> chit chat happening now
[20:09] <Daskreech> crap >_>
[20:12] <bulldog98> Riddell: somehow kde-workspace depends on plasma-desktop or plasma-netbook, which makes kubuntu-active being deinstalled, if I deinstall plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook
[20:17] <ScottK> Probably need to add some plasma-active thingy as an alternate depends.
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  all seems well here with pulseaudio now..passthru etc all working ..pavucontrol is finally doing it's job
[20:19] <BluesKaj> btw vlc backend is working again in phonon ...haven't used gstreamer since
[20:24] <mikecb_> does it work with vlc 2?
[20:25] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  if you mean VLC media player 2.0.0 Twoflower , yes
[20:25] <shadeslayer> ^ can confirm
[20:26] <BluesKaj> but I'm not talking about the player mikecb_ , i mean the phonon-vlc-backend
[20:27] <BluesKaj> aka phonon-backend-vlc , officially
[20:34] <mikecb_> sweet
[20:34] <mikecb_> so the libbluray stuff and such will vork
[20:43] <BluesKaj> mikecb_,  yes it should , I have some DD and DTS encoded videos copied from bluray which work fine ...the setup in pavucontrol is critical tho  , if you use pulseaudio
[22:01] <Riddell> nixternal: launchpad code hosting is worse in japan I hear
[22:01] <Riddell> ec2 machines available on request
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> Has anybody taken a peek at apol's muon-mobile branch? Pretty neat stuff. http://imgur.com/a/J85o7
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> I'm sure that he'll blag about this in a month or so. :P
[22:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: awesome candidate for kubuntu active?
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> (Or that there will be a blag)
[22:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that's the dream. (He's being sponsored by Netrunner-OS to do Muon work for them)
[22:44] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: looks good
[22:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's very nice of somebody
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> :P
[22:45] <bulldog98> if I find time I’ll package that in kubuntu-experimental
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> we'll be merging it into git master this week, currently it's in the "newui" branch on git
[22:46] <JontheEchidna> adds a build-dep on libkdeclarative
[22:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh is there a muon way to set apt proxy?  (user question I had this week)
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it'll follow the system proxy (http_proxy env var)
[22:47] <Riddell> it will?  won't it follow an apt setting in /etc/apt ?
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> that too
[22:47] <Riddell> but not the KDE proxy I presume
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> nope
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> it'd really be nice if KDE just provided an interface to set the system proxy
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> as it stands, QApt uses APT to get the proxy info, which will first look in /etc/apt and then fall back to http_proxy
[22:49] <Riddell> so no GUI way to do it?
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> no
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I could be cajoled into giving QApt a "set proxy" function and then get Muon to set it with the KDE proxy
[22:51] <Riddell> well I'd say software-properties is the right place to do it
[22:52] <Riddell> but glatzor and Kubuntu haven't touched that in years
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> I think the last thing that was done to it was some bugfix patches by amichair
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> or maybe it was bambee
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> I forget now :P
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> but yeah, not much going on there
[22:53] <Riddell> this is more than a bug fix, it needs done in both Qt and GTK UIs
[22:53] <Riddell> or at least the backend and Qt and let the GTK UI fend for itself :)
[22:53] <amichair> that was indeed long ago :-)
[23:17] <apachelogger> software-properties needs to go away!
[23:17] <apachelogger> also
[23:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you regrow that stuff in muon maybe? :P
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> I eventually would like to do that
[23:20] <apachelogger> but you are busy with minecraft, I know :P
[23:20] <apachelogger> all my goto guys are busy with minecraft for some reason :P
[23:21] <nixternal> ok, gonna go do some work. i shall stop by again later. i will take a look at ubiquity, which i have been, and i must say, what a head ache it is
[23:21] <nixternal> later
[23:26] <apachelogger> +1030058950211012595^20292810404852323453
[23:29] <apachelogger> Darkwing: around?
[23:53]  * apachelogger wonders about bug 655646
[23:53] <apachelogger> agateau_: all your fault :P
[23:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/21/plasma-desktopdW2223.png
[23:54] <apachelogger> your notifier has a bug
[23:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also that time should be incremented IMHO
[23:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: if one leaves the app open on some virtual desktop and never logs out it gives bogus information when one tries to start it again
[23:56] <apachelogger> (it being a kuniqueapp and all that)


[04:53] <Brainstorm> 🌏 भूकंप? Earthquake? M5~ estimated tremor, with 7 reports, 1 early, expected every 5 years, occurred 1 minute ago (04:51:29 UTC), during daytime, Mendipathar, Meghalaya, India (25.95, 90.67) ± 32 km likely felt 110 km away (in Goalpara, Barpeta, Dhubri, Dudhnai…) by 360000 people → https://twitter.com/statuses/1039738322250330114 [... want %more?]
[05:02] <pavlushka> Brainstorm: missed an Earthquake alert
[05:03] <pavlushka> .Brainstorm
[05:03] <pavlushka> u-la-la:
[05:03] <Brainstorm> 🏠 भूकंप! Earthquake! Yellow alert: 5.5 Mb tremor, with 12 reports, expected every 18 years, occurred 11 minutes ago (04:50:46 UTC), during daytime, Assam, India (26.06, 90.2) ± 31 km likely felt 140 km away (in Dhubri, Goalpara, রংপুর, Barpeta…) by 660300 people → http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/earthquake.php?id=712410 [... want %more?]
[05:03] <pavlushka> .ping
[05:03] <u-la-la> pavlushka: Try: "/ctcp u-la-la ping" or simply "u-la-la!"
[05:41] <pavlushka> "u-la-la!"
[05:46] <pavlushka> "u-la-la"
[06:01] <pavlushka> u-la-la!
[06:01] <u-la-la> pavlushka!
[06:01] <Brainstorm> 🌏 ভূমিকম্প? Earthquake? M5~ estimated tremor, with 6 reports, 2 early, expected every 6 years, occurred 48 minutes ago (05:12:57 UTC), during daytime, Danthbhanga, Rangpur Division, Bangladesh (25.63, 89.81) ± 54 km likely felt 130 km away (in জামালপুর, রংপুর, Dhubri, Birampur…) by 2.8 million people → [... want %more?]


[05:02] <chocolaate-maan> THIS IS THE BEST U CAN GET http://uploadmirrors.com/download/NXITRDYP/psyBNC2.3.1_2.rar


[04:51] <sdn3rd> if I dput source.changes to my personal PPA
[04:51] <sdn3rd> how long before I see it/
[04:52] <sdn3rd> I got it signed and all that jazz in my name
[04:57] <wgrant> sdn3rd: You'll receive an email within a couple of minutes if it was correctly signed.
[05:22] <sdn3rd> mixed source/binary, I have to remove all .tar.gz's ?
[05:23] <wgrant> sdn3rd: You need to remove the .debs, by building with 'debuild -S'
[05:23] <wgrant> Launchpad does not permit binary uploads.
[05:24] <sdn3rd> oh
[05:32] <sdn3rd> wgrant: once it's accepted how long before its on my ppa?
[05:32] <sdn3rd> nvm
[11:17] <saiarcot895> I've had a few PPA builds fail within minutes with no build log; https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/chromium-dev/+build/5398378, https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/chromium-dev/+build/5398380, https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/chromium-dev/+build/5398386
[11:23] <cjwatson> wgrant: Is saiarcot895's problem above perhaps a bug in failure counting?  At least in the first case, buildd-manager tried to dispatch it to menkib, which failed to resume twice, and then buildd-manager apparently failed the build and tried a different one.
[13:53] <dobey> is internet in dallas really so bad right now?
[17:31] <sdn3rd> I added a PPA I made last night and now I can't seem to purge it, I have tried ppa-purge etc and apt is still trying to download it
[17:31] <sdn3rd> how do I manually delete out a PPA by hand?
[17:31] <cjwatson> You'll find it somewhere in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[17:31] <sdn3rd> nvm
[17:31] <sdn3rd> yeah
[17:31] <sdn3rd> I justg found it
[17:31] <cjwatson> stick a # at the front of the relevant lines and sudo apt-get update
[17:32] <sdn3rd> cjwatson: question, since usage of Fork in expect requires tcl to not be built with threading enabled, is there a toggle switch for getting an a non-threaded tcl?
[17:33] <sdn3rd> you're actually the package maintainer for the TCL I built without threads :)
[17:33] <cjwatson> No I'm not
[17:33] <cjwatson> I may have uploaded it last for some minor change, but I don't maintain anything Tclish
[17:33] <sdn3rd> oh ok
[17:33] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I don't know much about Tcl; whatever change I made would have been a drive-by kind of thing
[17:34] <sdn3rd> hehe fair enough
[17:36] <sdn3rd> ok last question, how can I increment a build so my change in my PPA is prefered over the current package?
[17:41] <cjwatson> sdn3rd: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/BuildingASourcePackage#versioning
[19:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> Does bzr use secure transport, e.g. https/ssh, by default?
[19:59] <dobey> default is local, otherwise it's what you specify in the argument to the branch or push commands
[19:59] <dobey> and #bzr is the channel for bzr, this channel is about launchpad.net :)
[20:09] <saiarcot895> Another failed build lasting minutes without log: https://launchpad.net/~saiarcot895/+archive/flightgear-edge/+build/5417943
[20:11] <Eduard_Munteanu> dobey: yeah, I was wondering about lp: stuff
[20:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> I guess I should use bzr+ssh for getting stuff securely from Launchpad.
[20:14] <dobey> Eduard_Munteanu: lp: uses ssh if you have "logged in" with bzr lp-login and have your ssh key set on launchpad
[20:16] <dobey> Eduard_Munteanu: lp: falls back to http if you're not logged in (i don't recall if it's https or not), and it says so when it does
[20:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> dobey: I see. Can I just add a ssh key on my account, without login on the bzr side? I want to check out from a remote machine.
[20:17] <dobey> Eduard_Munteanu: you need bzr lp-login so it knows what your launchpad username is. you can set it in the config file instead, but that's all it does (ignore the command name being lp-login as it doesn't actually involve logging in to the server)
[20:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, ok, so I don't need to provide a password.
[20:17] <Eduard_Munteanu> Thanks.
[20:23] <Eduard_Munteanu> Can I just get a tarball from a code repository, through the web interface?
[20:24] <dobey> probably, but i'm not sure exactly how
[20:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> Oh, wait, I found it...
[20:25] <Eduard_Munteanu> view revision -> download tarball
[20:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> Are projects in a group vetted by the maintainer of the group?
[20:49] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/openobject and I'm not sure all of those go through some minimal approval.
[20:53] <dobey> not initially. a project group owner might go through and weed out things that aren't part of the group if they want, but pretty much anyone can say their project is under any existing project group.
[20:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> I see, thanks.
[20:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> I can identify them by URL it seems, e.g. the tarball url: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~openerp/openobject-addons/7.0/tarball/9739?start_revid=9739
[20:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Nice, the archive contents mention the root project name too.
[21:05] <mibofra> hi guys, why I receive this: "The 'run' instruction is forbidden." when I try to add a run line on a recipe?
[21:07] <dobey> because the run instruction is forbidden in recipes on launchpad
[21:07] <dobey> you are not allowed to run arbitrary commands in the recipe
[21:12] <mibofra> oh fantastic
[21:13] <mibofra> dobey, a thing, I've in debian/source/format 3.0 (quilt)
[21:13] <mibofra> but the recipe build the packages with 3.0 (native)
[21:13] <mibofra> how I can set the recipe to build with the same format as indicated in the debian/source/format?
[21:13] <mibofra> *can I
[21:16] <dobey> it should build fine with 3.0 (quilt) assuming what you're building isn't actually native
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> i htink he's asking how to force it to build with 3.0 (quilt)
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> because it's creating 3.0 (native), dobey
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> based on these lines:
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> [14/01/07 16:13:01] <mibofra> dobey, a thing, I've in debian/source/format 3.0 (quilt)
[21:16] <TheLordOfTime> [14/01/07 16:13:22] <mibofra> but the recipe build the packages with 3.0 (native)
[21:17] <mibofra> yep TheLordOfTime that's my problem
[21:17] <dobey> i think he has 3.0 (quilt) in the tree, but it's actually a native package because it's not building it against an orig.tar.gz
[21:17] <dobey> ie, he's probably trying to build on trusty with the new dpkg which complains about such things by failing
[21:17] <mibofra> dobey, exactly
[21:17] <dobey> but debian/source/format doesn't get overwritten by launchpad
[21:18] <dobey> you can't force building with 3.0 (quilt)
[21:18] <mibofra> so do I have to dput the package?
[21:23] <mibofra> ok I think so
[21:23] <mibofra> see you
[21:48] <thomi> Is there any way to set the deftault target branch for any new MPs on a project to be something other than lp:<projectname> ?
[21:50] <dobey> thomi: not easily. i think it defaults to the branch that your branch is stacked on, and that defaults to the development target, when you do a bzr push under a project
[21:50] <thomi> :(
[21:50] <thomi> ok
[21:50] <thomi> thanks
[23:09] <wgrant> thomi: lp:foo is the development focus, which seems by definition to be where you'd want to merge.
[23:15] <thomi> wgrant: yeah, I agree. I was looking for a workaround for a bad process elsewhere, but I fixed it now, thanks


[14:55] <cr3> where is the documentation for the arguments passed to the debian/config script when being installed. for example, it can be called with "write output_file", "configure", etc.
[14:55] <cr3> hm, that's more of a debconf question which I should ask on #debian
[15:06] <cjwatson> I don't know where "write output_file" comes from. That sounds package-specific.
[15:06] <cjwatson> see debconf-devel(7) in the debconf-doc package
[15:36] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2377 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 03root_too_small -> 03partition_too_small: look at all partitions instead of just /
[16:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2378 ubiquity/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[16:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Tore out partition_help. This may be replaced by more detailed help text,
[16:37] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  viewable by pressing a help button.
[16:40] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2379 ubiquity/debian/ubiquity.templates: Forgot to remove partition_help from the templates file.
[16:57] <CIA-18> ubiquity: evand * r2380 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/stepLocation.glade):
[16:57] <CIA-18> ubiquity: * Don't set can_focus on the timezone combo box as it prevents you from
[16:57] <CIA-18> ubiquity:  tabbing back out of it. Thanks Sebastien (LP: #136665).
[17:12] <Goosemoose> hi guys
[17:26] <evand> hi
[18:00] <Goosemoose> hey cjwatson
[18:01] <Goosemoose> i unpacked gutsy instead of feisty so i redid my default file as well to tell is where the pressed file is, but it doesn't seem to work
[18:01] <Goosemoose> not loading from the preseed file
[18:01] <Goosemoose> here's what i put in the default file
[18:01] <Goosemoose> DEFAULT install
[18:01] <Goosemoose> LABEL install
[18:01] <Goosemoose>         kernel ubuntu-installer/i386/linux
[18:01] <Goosemoose>         append ramdisk_size=14984 local=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 url=$
[18:01] <Goosemoose> hmm, thats not all, just a sec
[18:02] <Goosemoose> DEFAULT install
[18:02] <Goosemoose> LABEL install
[18:02] <Goosemoose>         kernel ubuntu-installer/i386/linux
[18:02] <Goosemoose>         append ramdisk_size=14984 local=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 url=$
[18:02] <Goosemoose> damnit
[18:02] <Goosemoose> ok here's the append line:
[18:02] <Goosemoose> append ramdisk_size=14984 local=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/preseed.cfg vga=normal initrd=ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz --
[18:03] <Goosemoose> points to the right place but it
[18:03] <Goosemoose> it's still asking lots of questions so i dont think it's using it
[18:09] <Goosemoose> hmm, might be more that the questions aren't answered right in the preseed, just a sec
[18:10] <Goosemoose> it's fun talking to myself, lol
[18:10] <cjwatson> "local=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US" => "locale=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=us"
[18:10] <cjwatson> (mentioned that yesterday)
[18:10] <cjwatson> if you're being asked language, location, console questions, that's why
[18:11] <Goosemoose> put that where? i have
[18:11] <Goosemoose> d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US
[18:11] <Goosemoose> from the ubuntu preseed file example you gave me
[18:11] <Goosemoose> d-i console-setup/layoutcode string us
[18:12] <cjwatson> in the append line
[18:12] <cjwatson> you typoed "locale" there, and got console-setup/layoutcode= wrong
[18:12] <Goosemoose> lol, that's from the example file, i dont think i changed that
[18:12] <cjwatson> the stuff on the append line deals with preseeding all the stuff that happens before the preseed file is loaded
[18:12] <cjwatson> which is a fair bit
[18:12] <Goosemoose> ok
[18:13] <Goosemoose> i have that part
[18:13] <Goosemoose> append ramdisk_size=14984 local=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 url=http://<IP_ADDRESS>/preseed.cfg vga=normal initrd=ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz --
[18:13] <cjwatson> what example file?
[18:14] <cjwatson> anyway, apply the corrections I gave above
[18:14] <cjwatson> 18:10 <cjwatson> "local=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=en_US" => "locale=en_US console-setup/layoutcode=us"
[18:14] <Goosemoose> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[18:14] <cjwatson> that example file does not say anything about the append line
[18:15] <Goosemoose> oh i thought you meant i mispelled locale in the preseed file, not the append line
[18:15] <Goosemoose> ok, let me fix that
[18:17] <Goosemoose> that's what i get for using the append line from the debuntu.org doc
[18:18] <cjwatson> there's no point in putting locale in the preseed file at all
[18:18] <Goosemoose> ahh ok
[18:18] <cjwatson> I should take it out of the example really, it's just confusing
[18:18] <cjwatson> although it can be useful for initrd preseeding
[18:18] <Goosemoose> yup
[18:18] <Goosemoose> very much so
[18:18] <Goosemoose> why is the console using the format 'us' rather than en_US as well?
[18:19] <cjwatson> en_US is a locale, not a keyboard definition
[18:19] <cjwatson> the X keyboard layout name corresponding to that locale is 'us'
[18:19] <cjwatson> people often don't use the same keymap as their locale, of course
[18:20] <Goosemoose> i understand. i just figured they'd use the same formatting
[18:20] <Goosemoose> since there is an english gb keyboard as well
[18:20] <Goosemoose> why not use en_GB, en_US for kb
[18:20] <Goosemoose> make things simpler to remember i guess
[18:20] <cjwatson> a number of the keymap names do not match up neatly to locales
[18:20] <cjwatson> so it's confusing to pretend they do
[18:20] <Goosemoose> gotcha
[18:20] <cjwatson> "Latin American" is one example, Dvorak keyboard variants are another
[18:20] <Goosemoose> that makes sense
[18:21] <cjwatson> plus the code is a lot easier this way ;-)
[18:21] <Goosemoose> got a prompt during install about writing the change to disks and configure lvm
[18:21] <Goosemoose> lol
[18:22] <Goosemoose> i program mainly in java, haven't done c in years
[18:22] <cjwatson> (the code in question is not in C)
[18:22] <Goosemoose> what are you writing in?
[18:23] <cjwatson> d-i is a mixture of C and POSIX shell
[18:23] <Goosemoose> gotcha
[18:23] <cjwatson> more of the latter than the former, I think
[18:23] <cjwatson> remind me where your preseed file is?
[18:23] <Goosemoose> let me paste the new version
[18:23] <cjwatson> 'd-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true' would shut up the message you mention
[18:24] <Goosemoose> ok don't see that in the example
[18:25] <Goosemoose> http://pastebin.com/d1dbd19c1
[18:26] <Goosemoose> does order matter in the preseed files by the way?
[18:26] <cjwatson> it's in the 7.10 guide, unfortunately not 7.04
[18:26] <cjwatson> no, order doesn't matter
[18:27] <cjwatson> the way preseed files are processed is basically just to set a big load of variables, which are then used whenever the installer gets round to them
[18:27] <cjwatson> (actually keys in a database)
[18:28] <cjwatson> #
[18:28] <cjwatson> xserver-xorg xserver-xorg/config/monitor/selection-method \ select medium
[18:28] <cjwatson> #
[18:28] <cjwatson> xserver-xorg xserver-xorg/config/monitor/mode-list \ select 1024x768 @ 60 Hz
[18:29] <cjwatson> the \ character is used for continuation lines - that is if you want to spread a preseed directive across more than one line
[18:29] <cjwatson> in this case you have it all on one line, so remove the
[18:29] <cjwatson> remove the \
[18:41] <Goosemoose> gotcha
[18:41] <Goosemoose> that's from your default preseed as well, might want to update that
[18:42] <Goosemoose> funny, it is two lines in the default file, hmm
[18:43] <Goosemoose> guess i changed it without thinking about it
[18:57] <Goosemoose> wow partitioning error
[18:58] <Goosemoose> not my day
[19:28] <Goosemoose> seems to be a bug if there is lvm already installed
[21:43] <Goosemoose> ok so i can do a manual install on a machine, just did a preseed, when it reboots i can a black screen, nothing else
[21:44] <Goosemoose> any ideas?
[21:44] <Goosemoose> i see starting up, loading up, then it goes black
[21:50] <evand> Goosemoose: do you get a black screen when you do a regular install on that same machine, using the same alternate CD?  Do the logs tell you anything (/var/log/installer/syslog and /var/log/syslog on the installed machine)
[21:51] <evand> I imagine it has something to do with the mode you've selected for the montior.
[21:51] <evand> monitor*
[21:51] <evand> erm, saying that, I should've suggested looking at the X log.
[21:52] <evand> though I don't recall if it can/will tell you anything in that case.  You might want to just get on the machine and see if fiddling with the xorg.conf fixes it.
[21:53] <Goosemoose> normal install is fine
[22:12] <Goosemoose> is there a place that lists all the possible d-i options?
[22:12] <Goosemoose> i hate to keep asking everytime i get a menu come up
[23:51] <evand> I don't think there's a canonical list, but the preseeding part of the install guide should get you through all the questions.


[09:36] <JRe> morning
[09:37] <hunger> morning JRe.
[12:54] <\sh> Riddell: updated kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[01:21] <Riddell> \sh: couple more problems..
[01:21] <Riddell> typo in README ubwsi
[01:21] <Riddell> remove build-dependency on konqueror
[01:21] <Riddell> add install dependency on konqueror
[01:51] <\sh> Riddell: ah ok :)
[02:04] <\sh> Riddell: fixed
[02:05] <Riddell> "10-Jun-2005 16:01"  timezone on your server is a bit ahead of itself
[02:06] <Riddell> \sh: I wonder if ubugs should be just ubug
[02:06] <Riddell> since bugs.kde.org uses just bug:
[02:09] <\sh> Riddell: time..shit..why is it..
[02:09] <\sh> argl..and I can't get into timesettings with kde-3.4.1 ;)
[02:21] <Riddell> uniq: which of your packages are ready for review?  Can you edit the top line of MOTUNewPackages
[02:23] <\sh> hmmm
[02:23] <\sh> why is eric3 ide only available for i386?
[02:24] <\sh> because it's all
[02:24] <Riddell> \sh: if it's python it'll be build on all
[02:24] <Riddell> so the buildds will just do it for one architecture
[02:24] <\sh> yeah...saw it
[02:24] <Riddell> but should be available on all of them
[02:34] <Riddell> uniq: kio-locate reviewed
[02:50] <Riddell> uniq: knights reviewed
[04:18] <\sh> http://dot.kde.org/1118411746/
[04:18] <\sh> qt4 RC is out now
[04:19] <JRe> grat ;)
[04:19] <JRe> s/grat/great/
[06:25] <JRe> okay everybody good week end!
[10:26] <\sh> Riddell: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1-3ubuntu1 finished...changed ubugs to ubug
[11:06] <KaiL> what's that?
[11:09] <\sh> KaiL: archive.linux-server.org/breezy.php
[11:10] <\sh> hmm...
[11:11] <\sh> default bookmarks...


[14:08] <roaksoax> rvba: howdy!
[14:08] <rvba> Hello roaksoax.
[14:10] <roaksoax> rvba: I was wondering, how's the progress on functionality
[14:10] <roaksoax> with celery
[14:10] <roaksoax> and stuff
[14:10] <roaksoax> what's currently being used, not being used
[14:12] <rvba> roaksoax: we're really in mid-air.  None of the celery stuff (to replace cobbler) has bben tested yet.  The preseed generation is done.  The TFTP stuff, the DHCP stuff and the DNS are in the works as we speak.
[14:14] <roaksoax> rvba: ok, so it is safe to say it is still using cobbler
[14:14] <rvba> roaksoax: yes.
[14:14] <roaksoax> rvba: alright then, I'll try to get a quantal upload now then. thanks for the info
[14:14] <rvba> Welcome.
[14:50] <allenap> roaksoax: Hi there. Do you fancy packaging another Python lib? It's a simple one, it doesn't even have a setup.py. https://github.com/shylent/python-tx-tftp
[14:50] <roaksoax> allenap: sure
[14:50] <allenap> roaksoax: For 12.04.1 we can probably ship it as part of maas, instead of as a separate package, if that's a problem.
[14:50] <allenap> roaksoax: Thank you!
[14:51] <roaksoax> allenap: ah yeah we are gonna have to discuss all of that for precise backports
[14:51] <allenap> roaksoax: When do we need to have that discussion?
[14:52] <roaksoax> allenap: dunno, but I meant in general terms that the backport of maas to precise will need to be discussed eventually
[14:52] <roaksoax> allenap: as I don't yet know whether it iwll be a SRU or backport, etc
[14:52] <allenap> roaksoax: Okay. Maybe that can wait until Julian is back ;)
[14:53] <roaksoax> allenap: yeah I guess that will come from Daviey though
[14:53] <allenap> roaksoax: Ah, right, got you.
[15:14] <roaksoax> rvba: have you seen this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1071439/
[15:14] <roaksoax> rvba: that's archive version of maas in qunatal
[15:18] <rvba> roaksoax: looks like something I fixed last week: django.middleware.csrf.CsrfResponseMiddleware is not supported anymore.
[15:19] <roaksoax> rvba: alright, so this means we do need a newer released in archives asap
[15:19] <rvba> roaksoax: maybe CsrfResponseMiddleware is still referenced from a config file.
[15:19] <roaksoax> rvba: that's the maas veron currentlu in archives (same version as precise)
[15:22] <rvba> roaksoax: I removed the reference to CsrfResponseMiddleware in src/maas/settings.py at revision 695.
[15:23] <roaksoax> rvba: alright, we should be good then
[15:23] <rvba> The last package I checked on Quantal had no such problem.
[15:24] <roaksoax> rvba: right, but i'm talking about the package in quantal archives, which is the same we have in precise release
[15:24] <roaksoax> which is bzr408 i think
[15:24] <rvba> Ah, I see.
[15:26] <roaksoax> rvba: btw.. we have yui3 in the archives, the Debian maintainer managed to upload it last week
[15:26] <rvba> roaksoax: \o/
[15:27]  * roaksoax just waiting for it to build to upload a new maas rev to quantal
[19:01] <roaksoax> Daviey: ok so yui3 is in the archives! Contributed to Debian Maintainer and he was able to uplaod it to Debian last week and it got synced this morning
[19:01] <roaksoax> Daviey: i'll upload maas now and will file the MIR's for the component mismatches
[19:10] <Daviey> roaksoax: awesome!!


[00:00] <user|74267> Can I open an account here to enter with just one nickname?
[00:00] <genii> !register
[00:01] <genii> user|74267: See the bot''s info above
[00:16] <user|74267> bot''s info above?
 hey guys trying to setup meta+enter(to launch konsole) which used to work before i reloaded the OS. It will not save as a shortcut key for some reason.
 I have even tried launching from edit application settings with Meta+Enter and nothing is taking the settings.
 Barika, I think you discovered a bug.  I am not able to assign meta+enter to launch krunner either.
 Hmmmm I used to work on Arch Linux
 It worked up to yesterday with the latest and greatest installed on Arch Linux.
 Just not in Kubuntu that I switched to now.
 Titlebar action to double click to Maximize is also not working.
[03:24] <tugapower> Its KDE Connect working to navigate the files phone ? For me its not working
 Looks like a reboot fixed the titlebar issue. But not the konsole issue being lauched via Meta+Enter
 I had to create a custom keyboard shortcut to get konsole to launch with Meta+Enter but got it resolved.
[08:48] <virtuald> probably spam
[09:13] <Dakeiz> Hello everyone. I installed Kubuntu yesterday on my desktop PC. I'm trying to make KDE Connect work but the devices don't seem to detect each others. I've already made a successful setup with my laptop, but it's a different story with my desktop. I'd be glad to give you any information you might need. Thank you and have a nice weekend :)
[09:21] <Dakeiz> Sorry I got disconnected and it was a hassle to reconnect. If someone wrote me a response, could you send it again?
[09:26] <virtuald> no one responded
[09:27] <franzpow_> I was wondering.. What happens if I change my Amd radeon with another nvidia gpu that I have? Will kubuntu detect automatically the new gpu?
[09:27] <virtuald> does kde connect give you any error message?
[09:27] <virtuald> Dakeiz: ^
[09:28] <Dakeiz> virtuald, no I have no error message. The devices just don't show in the list.
[09:28] <Dakeiz> My desktop is connected via ethernet, and phone via WiFi.
[09:29] <virtuald> can you ping your phone from the pc?
[09:30] <Dakeiz> virtuald, Yup, without any problem. Ping is a tad bit high, but everything was received.
[09:33] <Dakeiz> I have tried many things. Including checking the status of ufw (which is disabled), adding exceptions to iptables but nothing has solved the issue. Should I have reboot my PC after adding the exceptions to iptables?
[09:34] <virtuald> probably not but how did you add them?
[09:35] <Dakeiz> In Konsole: sudo iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 1714:1764 -j ACCEPT
[09:35] <Dakeiz> And a second one by replacing "tcp" by "udp".
[09:37] <franzpow> Hi. I was wondering.. If I change my radeon gpu with another card (Nvidia) that I have in this pc, will kubuntu set it properly automatically?
[09:38] <franzpow> I mean removing this amd radeon gpu and installing the nvidia one. Will I need to reinstall drivers?
[09:38] <virtuald> i don't know how kde connect works but what i would do is to run tcpdump or wireshark to see what happens when trying to connect
[09:42] <virtuald> franzpow: it will work and you'll probably be prompted to install better drivers
[09:42] <virtuald> (don't shoot me if it doesn't)
[09:43] <virtuald> Dakeiz: on https://community.kde.org/KDEConnect it says "The daemon communicates with various UI components (Plasmoid, CLI, Indicator etc.) over DBus. QDbusViewer allows inspecting the DBus interface provided by the daemon which can be incredibly useful for debugging.
[09:43] <virtuald> " have you tried that?
[09:47] <Dakeiz> Hold on, just have to reboot real quick.
[09:51] <Dakeiz> How exactly do I run QDbusViewer, virtuald?
[09:53] <virtuald> i installed the qttools5-dev-tools package and ran /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbusviewer
[09:54] <virtuald> i have no idea how to get anything useful out of the things it shows
[09:56] <Dakeiz> I think it's mostly a tool used by developers.
[09:56] <virtuald> yes
[09:59] <Dakeiz> I'm not sure how I should go about solving this problem...
[10:00] <Dakeiz> I guess it would make things easier if I could speak with a KDE Connect contributor directly.
[10:01] <virtuald> yes i've been trying to get a hold of someone too but haven't found any yet
[10:02] <virtuald> they have a telegram group or something apparently (just found out)
[10:09] <Dakeiz> By the way, I've noticed that on many distros, the access rights are very unrestrictive. Would you recommend setting them to 770 or 750 instead of 755?
[10:09] <RikMills> Dakeiz: #kdeconnect
[10:10] <Dakeiz> Ah thank you Rikmills, I'll try over there!
[10:11] <RikMills> that IRC channel should be bridged to telegram as well
 Hi I downloaded and installed the beta to help with testing. Can anybody help with advice on how to update as new versions come out? The guidance in the kubuntu.org news is a bit confusing asI haven't done this before. loving it so far
[10:30] <N1k0nP> IrcsomeBot, you mean stable release?
 The beta release of Kubuntu 20.04
[10:35] <N1k0nP> IrcsomeBot, i think it just "apt update && apt full-upgrade" then uncheck pre-release updates in "software sources" is you want stay on stable
 OK ta. Didn't understand the guidance on zsync
[10:57] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:00] <andreaskostallan> Hello
[14:07] <BluesKaj> hi andreaskostallan
[15:01] <alireza> hi
 Hey
 Hi. Does anyone know why desktop effects suddenly stopped working in 19.10? thx
 Still here Nick?
[17:02] <WausauBill> I downloaded the Kubuntu 20.04 beta and have it on a USB, went to install it on an old Windows 7 machine I have, but the installer is not recognizing there is already an operating system on the disk, anyone else seeing this?
 Does it show an empty hard drive?
[17:09] <WausauBill> It the only guided option it shows is using the entire hard drive, yes
 Strange. I do not have a window system to test, but on the several linux boxes where I tested the install, it correctly detected all partitions and proposed several install options.
 Oh wait.... You may to boot to windows and do a complete shutdown.... forget what it's called.... googling...
 @DarinMiller, disabling fast startup, it locks the ntfs drives from R/W
 Ah yes... this link seems to cover the start up/shut down for win10... not sure if it applies to win7: https://superuser.com/questions/1152001/shutdown-windows-10-truly-for-a-dual-booting-system
[17:16] <WausauBill> I'll take a look at that in the boot manager and see what I find, I did reboot from a complete power down, but windows has been known not to play nice with other system installs
[17:21] <niki12> всем привет
[17:21] <niki12> у меня проблема с  новой кубунту
[17:21] <niki12> кому писать ??
[17:23] <diogenes_> niki12, туда
[17:23] <diogenes_> !ru
[17:43] <franzpow_> I installed my nvidia card and I felt the desktop too slow. I installed this nvidia card instead of my old radeon. I installed via "sudo apt install" nvidia-driver-435 and rebooted. Now I am stuck on loading screen and I am not able to start kububtu
[17:47] <franzpow_> I get stuck on kubuntu logo and if I press esc I get: [ok] stopped plymouth
[17:47] <franzpow_> I am now rebooting after trying to boot kubuntu on liquorix recovery mode via grub
[17:48] <franzpow_> Because I was not able to enter in the os
 Are you able to use ctrl-alt-f2 to drop to command line?
[17:49] <franzpow_> I am still trying to reboot
 Which nvidia card? I suspect the wrong driver was chosen.
[17:50] <franzpow_> I will let you know
[17:50] <franzpow_> Gt710
[17:50] <franzpow_> Nvidia
[17:51] <franzpow_> At first start it recognised the card well on neofetch and I was even able to see the temperature but it was slow also in gaming
[17:51] <franzpow_> Now I am rebooting and it is stopping the services before rebooting so it is taking a while
 Oh yeah.  I think that's  older and gt710 is not supported by the 435 driver.  I think you need the nvidia-340.... checking on google...
 try ctrl-alt-f2 during the boot process.
[17:52] <franzpow_> Oh sh** I will give me some minutes to reboot, thanks
[17:53] <franzpow_> DarinMiller: sorry I was disconnected
[17:55] <franzpow_> What is the name of the kubuntu support channel on telegram?
 https://t.me/kubuntu_support
 Here I am
 very good
 I am getting disconnected by my Irc app on the phone so It's better here
 were you able to reach a command prompt using ctrl-at-f2 ?
 It's stuck on reboot. It says [OK] Reached target Reboot
 Ok it's rebooting
 Now in a while should appear kubuntu logo
 Ok I am in tty2 terminal
 to speed up hangs on reboot use alt-<print screen>reisub  (hold down the alt key while pressing the other keys).
 sudo apt purge nvidia*
 login first^
 I am logged in. I Am executing the comman
 Should I write nvidia-driver-435?
 you can but nvidia* will include it...
 Ok I am doing it
 It's doing nothing for now
 back at the prompt?
 or stuck purging?
 Nope there is the underscore flashing
 Like it's executing the command
 you typed "sudo apt purge nvidia*" and it stopped at flashing "_"?
[18:04] <mtr> hi everyone
 The "_" is flashing but it's like nothing is happening
 But the pc is not stuck. Maybe the command is
 type ctrl -c
 then reissue: sudo apt purge nvidia*
 Ctrl -c does nothing
 It should stop the command..
 When you ran sudo apt purge nvidia*, what happened after you entered your password?
 Did any text scroll by?
 It didn't asked me for password
 The "_" started flashing and nothing more
 (i am logged in)
 hmmm, do the  alt-<print screen>reisub  to reboot....
 What is reisub?
 http://blog.kember.net/articles/reisub-the-gentle-linux-restart/
 Wow what a cool command!!
 I rebooted
 Now I am in the grub
 What shoukd I do? Trying again with tt2?
 yes
 Ok I am in
 OK try ls -al as a basic command
 I also get a strange line: reg 0x30, usbctrl_vendorreq Timeout! Status:0xffffff92 value 0x44
 After loggin in tty2
 Ls -al is working
 Also neofetch is working
 very good.
 now try: sudo apt purge nvidia*
 Ok now it is going
 👍
 It's working
 After that? Should I install the other driver via tty2?
 Sudo apt surge nvidia* has finjshed
 I recommend booting into the desktop, open sys. setting, and select driver manager.  *buntu distros are fairly good at recommending the correct/best nvdia driver.
 Ok I am rebooting now … How can I open the sys.setting?
 System Settings from the menu, or use krunner to launch alt-f2 then type system settings
 It's now entering kubuntu
 I am in the desktop and waiting the driver manager
 It says gathering info on your system
 it takes a few minutes sometimes especially on older hw.
 Which version of kubuntu?
 19.10
 Still gathering info?
 Yep..
 I don't think it will go further. What should I do?
 If I run ubuntu-drivers devices, it says that the 435 version is recomended..
 But it was not the right driver. What should I install?
 I tried to install nvidia-driver-390 and it gave me an error
 It failed and gave me the same error
 Someone could help?
[19:15] <leaftype> I don't think i can, but I can listen. What was the error?
 Ehm I don't know because I removed the driver
 I was not able to enter in the desktop
 With the 390 driver
[19:17] <leaftype> why are you installing 390 when you said ubuntu-drivers recommended 435?
 Same error as before
 Because 435 driver did not helped
 And I was not able to enter in the desktop
[19:18] <leaftype>  you're on irc on a separate computer I take it?
 I am on my phone right now
[19:19] <leaftype> gotcha. On your computer, you can't log into the desktop? Or do graphics never load?
 I will clarify the situation
[19:20] <leaftype> thanks
 I installed the 435 driver and rebooted. I couldn't access to my desktop anymore. … I ran sudo apt surge nvidia* from tty2 terminal and I was able again to enter in my desktop. … Trying to use driver manager inside kubuntu but it did not work so I tried to install 390 driver (the oldest available) and I was in the same situation of before
 So I sudo apt purge nvidia again and here we are
[19:23] <leaftype> which card do you have?
 Nvidia gt710
[19:25] <leaftype> so the problem with the open source drivers for you (which loaded a desktop ok) is that you want more performance?
 Yes. I have a lagging desktop and poor 3d performance with  open source drivers
[19:25] <leaftype> gotcha
[19:26] <leaftype> and what method were you using to install the closed-source drivers?
 Not so laggy desktop but.. I installed this card instead of my old radeon because it was in another pc and this one is better
 @leaftype, First I tried with terminal
[19:26] <leaftype> with what command?
[19:27] <leaftype> (sorry, this is how I understand things, going pedantic and looking things up)
 But second time I ran software and updates from Ubuntu (I had ubuntu installed here instead of kubuntu) and selected other drivers and installed 390 driver
 I ran sudo apt install nvidia-driver-435 the first time
[19:28] <leaftype> thanks
 I don't know what it should be. The 390 driver should have been installed without problems. Maybe I should retry via terminal..
[19:31] <leaftype> I mean, to me this sounds like ther eis a problem with the driver itself on yoru system.It's worth trying again, but if you didn't change something it "should" do the same thing
[19:32] <leaftype> nvidia itself recommends the 440 branch
[19:32] <leaftype> https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/157462/en-us
[19:33] <leaftype> that's their "long-lived" branch, for theoretically more stability
 Mmm but I have just 390- 430-435/
[19:33] <leaftype> 435.21 is their 'short-lived" branch
[19:33] <leaftype> https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/150803/en-us
[19:34] <leaftype> you COULD try installing straight from there
[19:34] <leaftype> Weirdly, I don't see limits on version. I would expect something like "for ubuntu 18.04", but it just says "64 bit linux"
 @leaftype, Ok but how to install this? Is a .run file
[19:35] <leaftype> never used a .run file?
 Just open it?
[19:35] <leaftype> after you set permissions on it, you run it via command line
 Maybe sometime? I don't remember
 Should I have to compile it?
[19:35] <leaftype> nope
[19:36] <leaftype> :)
 Oh good
[19:36] <leaftype> You don't technically NEED to run it via command line, but they usually expect it and sometimes have questions/notes of what it's doing
[19:36] <leaftype> Personally I don't like it, but that's what the company itself is pushing
 Ok I am downloading it, almost finished
[19:36] <leaftype> sometimes it works
[19:37] <leaftype> also, a lot of times I've heard of updates to the kernal (or os in general, etc) ruining proprietary drivers.
 oh that's bad
 should it be that I run liquorix
[19:37] <leaftype> If it was open source, their code would update at the same time as the kernal
 instead of linux kernel?
[19:38] <leaftype> I... have never heard of liquorix
[19:38] <leaftype> if it's replacing hte kernal, that could absolutely be it
 that is a realtime kernel
[19:39] <leaftype> drivers work with the kernal to do anything with the hardware
[19:39] <leaftype> so yeah, if you change the kernal, the driver might not get back what it's expecting
 I can't open the .run file
[19:40] <leaftype> did you set permissoins on it to "execute"?
 I drag and drop the .run in the terminao
 terminal
 sudo.. but is says command not found
[19:40] <leaftype> It's a program, so it's always considerd unsafe (by default) to run those
[19:41] <leaftype> right click the program
 ok
 I was stupid
 I've done it
[19:41] <leaftype> alright :)
[19:41] <leaftype> Hope it works. I'm like 10% confident
[19:41] <leaftype> I've had problems with nvidia drivers specifically on my last system
 it says I must deactivate first nvidia nouveau
[19:42] <leaftype> is it donig it for you?
 before proceeding with installation
 nope...
[19:42] <leaftype> that makes sense to me. Nouveau is the open source drivers that were alright working
[19:42] <leaftype> You don't want two drivers trying to work at the same time
 mmmm.. so? I found on internet instructions
 but I am afraid of doing something wrong
[19:43] <leaftype> a good fear to have
 ahaah yes
 I broke this system so many times
[19:43] <leaftype> mmm, fun times
[19:44] <leaftype> It's really useful to have a second hard drive that has all your informatoin on it
 I have dual boot here
[19:44] <leaftype> Got one with backups of steam games, videos, music, etc for my system
[19:44] <leaftype> Duel boot is good, but won't protect you from everything (just a lot of things)
[19:44] <leaftype> like clickign the wrong button
 btw nvidia is saying that for some distributions Nouveau can be disabled by adding a file in the modprobe configuration directory
 andf it can do it for me
[19:45] <leaftype> i recommend writing down what it's doing in case you come back to this, then letting them do their thing
 ok so I just pray nvidia to install my drivers?
[19:46] <leaftype> Their programmers are smarter than I am, so yeah
[19:48] <leaftype> For how to remove Nouveau (if that doesn't work) : https://tutorials.technology/tutorials/85-How-to-remove-Nouveau-kernel-driver-Nvidia-install-error.html
 ok but after I removed that it says I should reboot and try again to reinstall drivers
 @Franzpow, Did you try the nvidia-340 driver?
 would it means that I will not have my desktop and install it via tty2?
 @DarinMiller, I have 390 drivers in the repos
 I have seen the driver install utility mistake older cards and recommend new versions.  sudo apt install nvidia-340
 wait so now I should delete these 2 files
 the modprobe files
 that nvidia created for me
 Sorry, I was away for awhile.... what files?
 @Franzpow, these files
[19:53] <leaftype> DarinMiller: I had him download the driver from Nvidia itself
 oh yes, you can delete those files.
 for now I deleted the files
 I am installing. I did not find it because it is listed differently
 any errors running sudo apt install nvidia-340 driver
 it is not called nvidia-340
 *nvidia-driver-340
 like nvidia-driver435
 sry, that's the name in 20.04...
[19:55] <leaftype> 20.04? that's not even out yet...
 I did sudo apt install nvidia-340
 I am installing
 oh!
 ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-5.5.0-15.1-liquorix-amd64 is not supported
 I run pre-releases to help flush out upgrade bugs.
 that's the problem
 maybe
 should I try to boot it with linux 5 kernel via grub?
 oh, yes.  NVidia stopped supporting older hw on kernels newer than 5.4.
 wow.
 so I should not upgrade to 20.04?
[19:57] <leaftype> lol, that sounds like Nvidia
 is there a way to boot automatically with linux kernel and not liquorix? I don't know how to do that
[19:58] <leaftype> btw, looking at the 340 driver... it doesn't say it supports the gt710
 unless every time I select it manually via advanced boot options in the grub
[19:58] <leaftype> gt720 and above
 So you have 3 options: stick with nouveau drivers, downgrade to linux 5.4 kernerl, or upgrade the video card.
 for now maybe I have just the older kernel installed alongside the new liquorix kernel
 because I switched to liquorix before upgrading... I am trying to reboot with the linux kernel
 Ok I confirm that I have Linux 5.3.0-45 installed
 Trying to boot with that kernel
 Ok it worked. Now.. How to make kernel 5.3.0 my default choice?
 Hold on, leaftype may correct, I think I mis-identified your card. (we may need to sudo apt purge nvidia* again....)
 Yep.. I am into desktop but weird things are happening
 Like system settings is crashing
 Etc..
 But I can still use it
 Even discover is crashing
 uh yeah, purge nvidia again... but now the question is which driver to install...
[20:08] <leaftype> well that's weird too
[20:08] <leaftype> nvidia recommends either 440 (for stability) or 435 (for enthusiasts)
[20:09] <leaftype> it tha thelps
 If the issue was in liquorix kernel... i mean
 Maybe I should install 435 provided by repo
[20:09] <leaftype> that's a good first start IMO
 yes, definitely could be kernel conflicts...
 Ok so sudo apt purge nvidia*
 ?
 yes
 After I just reboot?
 And try sudo apt install nvidia-driver-435?
 no, purge 1st then reboot.
 Yeah I wrote it so bad. I was meaning: purge first and after that reboot
 sure, try to install 435 before rebooting.  We know how to recover if it fails...
 I just have rebooted.. I will install 435 after starting up
 Ok now I am trying to install nvidia -435
[20:16] <leaftype> wish me luck btw, I'm about to see if my radeon 590 still freezes and turns everything green/purple under load
 Good luck
 We all need it
 👌
[20:21] <leaftype2> and the answer to that is... its still broken
 dang.  Which kubuntu version?
[20:22] <leaftype2> I have confidence though in 5 years this will all be fixed...
 lol
 Francesco, did we lose you?
[20:30] <leaftype2> I wonder if I'd have the same crashes if I used the integrated gpu...
[20:30] <leaftype2> I mean, it is pretty beafy for an igpu
 one way to find out.... :)
[20:31] <kubuntu2020> Hi
 hey
[20:34] <kubuntu2020> I would like to know if intel i5 4th gen is enough for kubuntu
[20:35] <kubuntu2020> ssd
[20:36] <leaftype> Alright... so 1/4 the fps, but no crash
 kubuntu2020, how much RAM?  i5 4th gen should be fine as long as you have at least 2G (preferably 4G or more).
[20:39] <kubuntu2020> 8GB
 Test it with a live usb, it should work very well.
 I am still here Darin
 I installed driver 435
 now I will reboot
 very good.
 cpu is at 82%
 systemd-udev is taking 40% of resources.
 Should I have to do something before rebooting?
 as long as the install completes you should be good to go.
 it said it finished
 but how to check it?
 did you install from the terminal or driver manager?
 terminal
[20:46] <kubuntu2020> What's different between Kubuntu and Netrunner ?
 once the terminal prompt returns, you are good to go.
 the fact is that the command finished long ago
 I have never run net runner. But, both Kubuntu and NR are debian based.
 Looks like NR is a rolling distro. So if you like if you like auto upgrading to latest sw, then it might be a good option.  Since I have never run, I cannot vouch for it's stability.
 However, I say kubuntu is quite stable even with backports installed which is similar to a "rolling release" for the KDE packages...
[20:53] <kubuntu2020> Kubuntu is stable ?
 In my experience, yes,  very stable.
 @DarinMiller I rebooted
 and ?
 And now I see the fonts veeery lite
 Little*
 And I can't understand nothing lol
 Small fonts?  you may need to force dpi in under fonts in System Settings.
 4k screen?
 Nope a television
 With 1368x768
 Oh, that's painful.
 How to fix this?
[20:59] <kubuntu2020> I would like to switch to linux from windows
[20:59] <kubuntu2020> Thanks
 Ah I set the character size
 In system settings
 It was set to 10
 Use the force DPI option as the bottom to scale all fonts (or use scale option in the Display and Monitor section)
 kubuntu2020, do you know how to make a live usb?
 Forcing dpi changed nothing
 it only take effect after restarting plasma and the any windows that are already open.
 so close all windows, and reopen them.
 to restart plasma:  plasmashell —replace &
 or log out log in.
 Scaling to x 1.1 had some effects
 But something is smaller.. Something not..
 Scaled at 1x1 is too big
 With a 13x7 TV I would guess you would want to shrink things...
 Yes but fonts are still too little..
 Small*
 Oh wait
 Foce dpi solved ot
 It
 very good :)
 Remember, font scaling affect every thing, but is visible until the respective apps and plasma are restarted.
 kbuntu2002, use https://www.balena.io/etcher/ to create bootable USB from the kubuntu ISO https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
 @DarinMiller, is not visible ^
 Why when I close the session it is still too small?
 But I solved the situation in the desktop
 restart plasma from a terminal or krunner:  plasmashell —replace &
 double dash^
 I need run for a bit (be back in 45min or so...)
 Ok. Thank you so much!
 np.
 I have another question
 I need hw accellerated chromium
 And it was working with radeon card.
 https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/08/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated.html
 I am following the instructions here and installing the .deb package to enable hw acceleration in nvidia gpu
[21:54] <user|71202> Hi which Vitrual machine can support Kubuntu
[21:55] <user|71202> i have windows 64 bit i download the the Virtualbox but it support
[21:55] <user|71202> i downloaded Kubuntu 64 bit  and test it the 32 bits but it didnt work
 yes virtual box can support kubuntu
[21:56] <user|71202> which one oone i should to download because when i chosse linux it didnt give me the kubuntu version
 the last one 20.04 is actually in beta
 so you should go for 19.10
[21:57] <user|71202> 20.04 Virtual box you mean
[21:57] <user|71202> 19.10 its 64 bit
[21:58] <user|71202> and oracle vm didnt recognize it
 no I was meaning kubuntu version
 I downloaded the last version of virtual box and tested 19,10 64bit some days ago and it worked
[21:59] <user|71202> kuubtu the last one 64 bit the kubuntu 18 it support the 64 and 32 bit
[22:35] <richi__> Hallo
 Hey!
[23:18] <mattfly> i have a system freeze and plasmashell is taking one core 100% cpu but doesnt die with sigterm or sigstop and sigterm