[04:18] <didrocks> good morning
[04:26] <luna__> morning
[05:36] <duflu> Hi didrocks and luna__
[05:44] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:12] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:21] <duflu> didrocks, could you please add Seb to https://salsa.debian.org/groups/ubuntu-dev-team/-/group_members ?
[06:22] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[06:22] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN and seb128
[06:22] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you?
[06:22] <seb128> lut oSoMoN and didrocks, en forme ?
[06:23] <duflu> seb128, pretty average today. How are you?
[06:25] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, hey duflu
[06:26] <oSoMoN> 'twas a short night, but I'm feeling good and rested nevertheless
[06:26] <seb128> duflu, a bit tired but alright otherwise
[06:30] <didrocks> duflu: done
[06:30] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va, et toi ?
[06:31] <seb128> didrocks, 'ci pour salsa
[06:31] <seb128> didrocks, ça va, les vacances ont fait du bien, j'ai vraiment déconnecté. Par contre du coup maintenant y a pas mal à rattraper :)
[06:31] <didrocks> héhé, pareil ici :)
[06:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, hey, could you share details about what you wrote there?
[06:46] <seb128> 'This was a challenge on its own as git fast-import doesn't like bzr's file renaming capabilities'
[06:46] <seb128> I had issues trying to migrate some repositories, I wonder if that's the same problem and how you workarounded it
[06:47] <oSoMoN> seb128, I used "bzr fast-export --plain" and piped into "git fast-import", but as soon as fast-import encountered a revision where a file was renamed/moved, it choked and bailed out
[06:48] <seb128> like python exception?
[06:48] <oSoMoN> I don't recall whether it was a python exception (is fast-import written in python?), but it was a fatal error for sure
[06:49] <oSoMoN> so what I ended up doing is tedious and doesn't scale:
[06:49] <oSoMoN> I imported as many revisions as I could before the first move/rename (exported only the relevant revision range)
[06:51] <oSoMoN> then exported each subsequent revision one by one, imported it in the new git repo, which created a revision that wasn't applied on top of my branch, and cherry-picked that revision
[06:51] <oSoMoN> in some cases (where there were renames/moves), this required manual fiddling of the imported revision
[06:52] <oSoMoN> there's gotta be a better way, but since my branch only had ~40 revisions I figured it would be faster this way than diving into the internals of fast-import
[07:31] <seb128> oSoMoN, ok, thanks
[07:38] <seb128> jamesh, hey. About what you wrote on https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-sdk/issues/49 , are you sure we aren't using the system config? When using the x11 interface, from a snap shell env, /etc/fonts/conf.avail and /etc/fonts/conf.d are available and readable
[07:39] <jamesh> seb128: yeah. desktop-launch sets some environment variables to use the config from the gnome-platform snap: https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/blob/main/extensions/desktop/common/desktop-exports#L290-L292
[07:44] <seb128> jamesh, ah, thanks. It's a bit unfortunate :/
[07:45] <jamesh> seb128: if fontconfig's configuration parser didn't treat unknown syntax as a hard error, then maybe we could recommend using the default config
[07:46] <jamesh> but it definitely caused problems when the default config started adding <its:rules> elements older fontconfig versions didn't recognise
[07:46] <seb128> right, makes sense
[07:46] <lissyx> either way, I dont understand the suggested solutions
[07:47] <seb128> lissyx, the snap can read the fonts from the system, it's just not using the /etc configs
[07:47] <seb128> so we could either bundle the font and it's config with the gnome snap
[07:47] <seb128> or just include the config (which is smaller) and rely on the font to be available on the system
[07:48] <jamesh> lissyx: one suggestion was to include the URW fonts in the gnome platform snap: we'd then ensure the fonts plus their config files would be available as PostScript font stand-ins.
[07:48] <jamesh> lissyx: the second was to just include the configuration files in the snap, which would have minimal impact to the size of the snap, but wouldn't help if the base system didn't have the fonts installed
[07:48] <seb128> jamesh, we will need eventually to find a solution that doesn't rely on the system for confined desktop, or is the desktop snap going to bundle all the fonts?
[07:50] <jamesh> seb128: we're shipping a collection of fonts in the boot base snap, which are visible to app snaps in the same way they are on classic Ubuntu
[07:50] <jamesh> we don't really have a good way to add more fonts to the system besides installing them in the user's home dir
[07:51] <seb128> we could have fonts snap, the same way we have theme ones right?
[07:51] <jamesh> that'd work too, yeah.
[08:56] <lissyx> oSoMoN, looks like beta will get debug symbols? :) https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-beta/+build/1859443
[08:56] <lissyx> as well as ESR
[08:59] <oSoMoN> yes
[09:02] <oSoMoN> I haven't merged into ESR yet, will do today
[09:03] <luna__> and 104 is packaging?
[09:10] <lissyx> oSoMoN, there's a debug package built on ESR yet: https://launchpad.net/~mozilla-snaps/firefox/+snap/firefox-snap-esr/+build/1859283
[09:17] <oSoMoN> ah! I did merge it yesterday, but it was late and I didn't remember it… All good then :)
[09:18] <oSoMoN> luna__, 104.0-3 is available as a snap in the candidate channel, and debs for bionic and focal are ready in a PPA too
[09:29] <luna__> oSoMoN: great :)
[09:35] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hi :), are there any backchannel news for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cargo/+bug/1986648 ?
[09:35] <schopin> oSoMoN, ricotz: not at the moment sorry
[09:36] <ricotz> schopin, hi, I assume that means you are planning to work on it?
[09:37] <schopin> ricotz: yes, unless someone from desktop volunteers? ;-)
[09:37] <ricotz> schopin, I see :)
[09:38] <ricotz> schopin, fyi, https://salsa.debian.org/rust-team/rust/-/merge_requests
[09:38] <schopin> yup, I saw it as well :)
[09:38] <ricotz> good :)
[12:39] <mdeslaur> jbicha: finally! I figured gst-plugins-* out, it's opencv, now I need to figure out why
[12:45] <mdeslaur> hrm, that doesn't explain why gst-plugins-good1.0 is failing too when I try it
[13:03] <mdeslaur> oh, because gst-plugins-good1.0 is failing in a completely different way, that's why
[14:06] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar signed tags 39b26f9 Jeremy Bicha upstream/43_beta * Upstream version 43~beta * https://deb.li/34ilA
[14:07] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar upstream/latest 5df9836 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 93 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3R7b1
[14:07] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar upstream/latest 7149290 Aleksandr Melman po/ru.po * Update Russian translation * https://deb.li/TiHd
[14:07] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar upstream/latest efc50de Emin Tufan Çetin po/tr.po * Update Turkish translation * https://deb.li/i3C5V
[14:07] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar upstream/latest cbaf46b Kukuh Syafaat po/id.po * Update Indonesian translation * https://deb.li/QidD
[14:07] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar upstream/latest c76da42 Fabio Tomat po/fur.po * Update Friulian translation * https://deb.li/3HSgz
[14:07] <KGB-0> gnome-calendar upstream/latest aa99cc0 Nart Tlisha po/ LINGUAS ab.po * Add Abkhazian translation * https://deb.li/V7VR
[14:18] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, rls bug quick round?
[14:19] <seb128> sorry I had to go fix something I screwed in the house and it wasn't as trivial as expected but I'm back now
[14:19] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:19] <seb128> bug #1987304
[14:20] <seb128> it's assigned now
[14:20] <seb128> the modemmanager/server isn't owned by us
[14:20] <seb128> bug #1987001
[14:21] <seb128> we should own the n-m part but it's being worked on
[14:22] <seb128> bug #1977769
[14:22] <seb128> I'm removing the rls tag since we decided to not switch to console this cycle
[14:24] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-kk-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[14:24] <seb128> bug #1968333 isn't ours, it's an universe component since bionic
[14:25] <seb128> skipping some we already discussed previously
[14:25] <diddledani> the gtk3 ftbfs is indeed a reftest fail - `/<<PKGBUILDDIR>>/testsuite/reftests/box-shadow-changes-modify-clip.ui: FAIL`
[14:26] <seb128> diddledani, thanks I had noticed that :)
[14:26] <diddledani> :-)
[14:28] <seb128> tjaalton, could you review bug #1987038 for sponsoring?
[14:29] <diddledani> looks like the box-shadow-changes-modify-clip.ui has been disabled in the past during cosmic, but is back enabled again: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+changelog `gtk+3.0 (3.24.0-3ubuntu1) cosmic; urgency=medium`: `+ debian/rules: Mark additional known test failures: - box-shadow-changes-modify-clip.ui`
[14:30] <seb128> diddledani, which is weird, because the build log https://launchpadlibrarian.net/619434772/buildlog_ubuntu-kinetic-amd64.gtk+3.0_3.24.34-3ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz has
[14:30] <seb128> # Mark reftests with known failures as non-fatal
[14:30] <seb128> # (See also somehow_broken in testsuite/reftests/meson.build)
[14:30] <seb128> touch testsuite/reftests/box-shadow-changes-modify-clip.ui.known_fail
[14:30] <diddledani> odd.
[14:30] <seb128> anyway, I asked nteodosio to poke at it, if you plan to finish the debugging let him know :)
[14:31] <seb128> and I need to stop the rls review there, I've another meeting!
[14:47] <diddledani> found the issue - the patch `reftest-known-fail` was removed from `debian/patches/series`
[14:51] <jbicha> diddledani: ok, so we need to update our debian/rules diff to adapt to the Debian reftest changes
[14:53] <seb128> nteodosio, ^
[14:54] <nteodosio> seb128: ack, thanks
[15:00] <seb128> diddledani, thanks!
[16:06] <KGB-0> gnome-photos signed tags 73d8c31 Jeremy Bicha upstream/43_beta * Upstream version 43~beta * https://deb.li/34zFs
[16:06] <KGB-2> gnome-photos pristine-tar e7aec91 Jeremy Bicha gnome-photos_43~beta.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-photos_43~beta.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-photos_43~beta.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3TQFA
[16:11] <tjaalton> seb128: uploaded to debian, it should sync itself?
[16:15] <jbicha> tjaalton: did you see that libwacom is stuck in kinetic-proposed because it adds a dependency on python3-libevdev which is in universe?
[16:18] <tjaalton> jbicha: no
[16:26] <jbicha> tjaalton: could you have libwacom9 stop Recommending libwacom-bin and then we could demote libwacom-bin to universe & no longer install it by default?
[16:30] <tjaalton> perhaps
[16:33] <KGB-2> glade upstream/latest 72fed94 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 169 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3XzOh
[16:33] <KGB-2> glade upstream/latest 89ef739 Luming Zh po/zh_CN.po * Update Chinese (China) translation * https://deb.li/3m637
[16:33] <KGB-2> glade upstream/latest 4154a7c Charles Monzat po/fr.po * Update French translation * https://deb.li/3UABU
[16:33] <KGB-2> glade upstream/latest 6fca410 Daniel Mustieles po/es.po * Updated Spanish translation * https://deb.li/3G57
[16:33] <KGB-2> glade upstream/latest 21e0820 Irénée THIRION po/fr.po * Update French translation * https://deb.li/32kZd
[16:33] <KGB-2> glade upstream/latest 4a8822c Yuri Chornoivan po/uk.po * Update Ukrainian translation * https://deb.li/38Kq1
[17:07] <seb128> tjaalton, thanks!
[18:36] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center signed tags d9163e4 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/1%41.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:41.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/34HHy
[18:36] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy 3641df4 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ubuntu/Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * debian/patches: Read the user value for gedit setting before changing it * https://deb.li/ij9s4
[18:36] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy af8ae2c Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/gbp.conf * debian/gbp.conf: Set upstream branch to upstream/42.x * https://deb.li/ifnD
[18:37] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy ed23bc0 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * debian/changelog: Restore version 1:41.7-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/320dz
[18:37] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy 7b95ab4 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/qv7R
[18:37] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/jammy b8f9798 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Upload to jammy * https://deb.li/3VUVv
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt signed tags 8202cde Jeremy Bicha upstream/0.3.9 * Upstream version 0.3.9 * https://deb.li/3tHKU
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt upstream/latest aac4284 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 18 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/Gwgn
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt upstream/latest ebc41eb Asier Sarasua Garmendia po/eu.po * Update Basque translation * https://deb.li/3yfJ7
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt upstream/latest 5c84f53 Jordi Mas i Hernandez po/ LINGUAS ca.po * Add Catalan translation * https://deb.li/EfN0
[19:02] <KGB-0> libgovirt pristine-tar 162fd47 Jeremy Bicha libgovirt_0.3.9.orig.tar.xz.delta libgovirt_0.3.9.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for libgovirt_0.3.9.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/tvHN
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt upstream/latest 95c8a0f Jiri Grönroos po/ LINGUAS fi.po * Add Finnish translation * https://deb.li/3I0P2
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt upstream/latest c03a7a5 Alan Mortensen po/da.po * Update Danish translation * https://deb.li/XvOi
[19:02] <KGB-2> libgovirt upstream/latest b1f792b Hugo Carvalho po/pt.po * Update Portuguese translation * https://deb.li/iUUmh
[19:30] <KGB-2> gnome-boxes signed tags b05889c Jeremy Bicha upstream/43_beta * Upstream version 43~beta * https://deb.li/MqM0
[19:31] <KGB-0> gnome-boxes pristine-tar 7d47e61 Jeremy Bicha gnome-boxes_43~beta.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-boxes_43~beta.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-boxes_43~beta.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3eqA4


[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:41] <davidcalle> Good morning o/
[10:17] <dholbach> davidcalle: I've been banging my head against the wall because of issues in the tests and I started refactoring all kinds of small things in order to make things clearer
[10:18] <dholbach> all to no avail
[10:18] <dholbach> now I found the issue
[10:18] <davidcalle> dholbach: what is it?
[10:18] <dholbach> sys.exit is to be avoided at all costs :)
[10:18] <dholbach> no big surprise
[10:18] <dholbach> I'll fix it now
[10:18] <dholbach> it stopped test cleanup functions to be run and other stuff
[10:19] <dholbach> I should have fixed it long ago
[10:23] <davidcalle> dholbach, ouch :)
[10:23] <davidcalle> dholbach, btw, we don't need to fix ubuntu-sdk -> ubuntu-sdk-ide on d.u.c, it's going to keep working
[10:23] <dholbach> ok cool
[10:59] <dholbach> mh, that was not it...
[10:59] <dholbach> I mean... good that I fixed it in any case
[11:00] <dholbach> but still I'm seeing some bizarre issues which lead me to believe that the cleanup is not done in between tests
[11:07] <dholbach> if you are curious and bored, I pushed a WIP branch to ~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/rework-importer
[11:07] <dholbach> I think I'll take a lunch break soon and see if I can fix this afterwards :)
[14:54] <dholbach> davidcalle: I found the issue /o\
[14:54] <dholbach> I'm very close to having it all working again
[14:54] <dholbach> I learnt a lot :)
[14:54] <davidcalle> dholbach, what was it!?
[14:56] <dholbach> I was surprised how my testcase objects event across different tests were sharing data - it took me a long while to find that I had defined some class members somewhere in the code as class variables
[15:43] <dholbach> davidcalle: it's fixed
[15:43] <dholbach> davidcalle: all tests pass
[15:43] <dholbach> finally
[15:43] <dholbach> ok... where was I before I broke everything..........
[15:43] <davidcalle> dholbach: iirc, I was reviewing and about to merge :D
[15:44] <dholbach> davidcalle: I'll add some more link rewrite tests
[17:14] <dholbach> davidcalle: I call it a day - I pushed a new test for the links, but it doesn't pass
[17:15] <dholbach> django.test.Client doesn't quite work the way I imagine it does :-)
[17:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, you fight with Django, I fight with Mojo :p
[17:15] <dholbach> in some cases a page it retrieves (/docs/intro.md which is obviously wrong) is available, after a redirect, but is empty
[17:16] <dholbach> it's all bizarre and I don't know which part of this strange reality to hold on to
[17:16] <dholbach> in any case I think it's a good time to call it a day and come back with fresh ideas on a Monday :)
[17:17] <davidcalle> dholbach, have a nice week-end, we'll do our best to release this to the word next week :)
[17:17] <dholbach> :-)
[17:17]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[17:17] <dholbach> have a good one yourself!
[17:17]  * davidcalle hugs dholbach, thanks!
[17:18] <dholbach> :)


[00:47]  * thefinn93 just moved to Bothell. Hello, Washington people!
[00:48] <thefinn93> Oh also UW has us on Comca$t cable Internet, which means it's broken (of course)
[00:48] <thefinn93> currently on someone elses connection, probably not legal, but I doubt they'll notice
[01:19] <valorie> hi thefinn93!
[01:19] <valorie> welcome to washington
[02:51] <thefinn93> thanks
[02:52] <thefinn93> enjoying it already. similar weather, which is nice
[02:52] <thefinn93> i know everyone hates the rain, but at least it isn't one of those places that never rains
[02:52] <thefinn93> and is always over nine thousand degrees
[03:01] <valorie> I don't hate the rain
[03:01] <valorie> I've lived here all my life, and almost always love the weather
[03:02] <thefinn93> w00t
[03:02] <thefinn93> someone who agrees with me!
[03:02] <valorie> unless there is months and months of gray, gray, gray
[03:02] <valorie> then I get tired of it
[03:02] <thefinn93> yeah
[03:02] <thefinn93> i can understand
[03:02] <valorie> there was once like 120 days in a row of overcast or rain
[03:03] <valorie> but that was the year I drove down to visit my sis in Arizona
[03:03] <valorie> lol
[03:03] <thefinn93> oh wow
[03:03] <thefinn93> that sucks
[03:03] <valorie> so I had a couple weeks of sun in the middle
[03:03] <thefinn93> oh nice
[03:03] <valorie> bad it bearable for me
[03:03] <thefinn93> perfect
[03:03] <valorie> bad for everyone else stuck in it.....
[03:03] <valorie> :-)
[03:04] <thefinn93> yeah
[03:07] <valorie> what's your major at UW?
[03:08] <valorie> and did you see my email to the list?
[03:08] <thefinn93> Major is going to be Computer Science
[03:08] <thefinn93> or whatever they call it
[03:08] <thefinn93> haven't joined the ubuntu-us-wa list yet
[03:08] <thefinn93> i'll do so now
[03:09] <valorie> heh
[03:10] <thefinn93> oh wow. not easy to fine
[03:10] <thefinn93> find*
[03:10]  * thefinn93 loved ctrl-F
[03:11] <thefinn93> loves*
[03:11] <thefinn93> ok i'm subscribed
[03:12] <valorie> goodo
[03:12] <thefinn93> oh wait gotta confirm
[03:12] <thefinn93> ok there we go


[14:37] <bikram> hi
[14:37] <bikram> bikram@bikram-Vostro-3400:~$ sudo update-grub Generating grub.cfg ... Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-32-generic Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-32-generic Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35-22-generic Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.35-22-generic Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin done
[14:38] <bikram> is showing after I installed ubuntu over windows 7
[14:38] <bikram> windows 7 is no more showing in the boot menu
[14:39] <bikram> does anyone have an idea what might be wrong.
[14:39] <bikram> I installed ubuntu using / on the ext4  rather than the windows drive
[19:44] <lasagna> I'm trying to install the latest release of ubuntu, it installs, and then when it goes to do a reboot it gets stuck on a "Loading Operating System..." screen.
[19:44] <lasagna> Not sure what to try next to actually get it going
[19:53] <bioterror> !nomodeset
[19:53] <ubot2`> A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[19:56] <lasagna> I was able to do that when I was doing the initial install.  When I'm rebooting where/what do I do to set that?   I can't find anything that will let me edit the commands....
[19:58] <bioterror> you have to press left shift right after BIOS
[19:58] <bioterror> and it will prompt you the GRUB
[19:58] <bioterror> then you edit it with the e button
[19:58] <bioterror> and this nomodeset after ro quiet
[19:58] <lasagna> I've tried that.  It still takes me to the "loading operating system..." screen
[19:58] <bioterror> should not
[19:58] <bioterror> you have to be faster!
[19:58] <lasagna> *laugh*  Let me try it a few more times
[20:03] <lasagna> is holding it down too much or pressing it too early an issue?
[20:23] <bioterror> I dunno
[20:23] <bioterror> I just booted a moment ago to memtest86+
[20:23] <bioterror> my kubuntu machine was unresponsive second time in a week
[20:24] <bioterror> *under
[20:31] <lasagna> ok.  thanks for your help.  Maybe I'll try installing a different version or something just to see if that works.
[20:35] <bioterror> no it wont
[20:35] <bioterror> as you need this nomodeset, atleat it looks like so
[20:36] <bioterror> you can also boot livecd, mount the hard drive and edit some grub lines
[23:36] <thewrath> hey all!


[07:28] <highvoltage> good morning
[17:09] <highvoltage> mhall119: every time I see you you're either going in an elevator or going away or sitting across the room in plenaries. I'd like to say hi sometime :)
[17:30] <LaserJock> highvoltage: nice blog post
[17:30] <highvoltage> thanks, LaserJock
[17:31] <highvoltage> I was thinking of you when I wrote it since you've often made the case that we should do more education-focus stuff, and that if we set some big goals we can attract more contributors
[17:31] <LaserJock> I was thinking about the classic "computer lab admin" vs "pedagogical tools" thing
[17:31] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:31] <LaserJock> :-)
[17:31] <highvoltage> (brb)
[17:32] <LaserJock> I wonder if it just has to be the kind of thing were you respond to where users are at
[17:32] <LaserJock> I always wanted to push for actual teaching tools and trying to figure out how to make teaching more effective
[17:33] <LaserJock> the problem is, I don't know that open-source and Edubuntu users were really there
[17:33] <LaserJock> a great many of them just wanted an easy way to set up and maintain an LTSP lab
[17:43] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I don't think they are there yet, but I don't think it will take too much for people to get there
[17:44] <LaserJock> well, I guess it makes me wonder how teachers are using this stuff
[17:44] <LaserJock> and how much of a disconnect there is between the people setting up the tech and the teachers trying to use it
[17:44] <LaserJock> that's something I never quite got a good handle on
[17:44] <LaserJock> I always wanted to push
[17:45] <LaserJock> but, well, I don't think that strategy worked all that well ;-)
[17:45] <LaserJock> one thing though, that I think would probably help transition would be documentation
[17:46] <LaserJock> I think once the big picture stuff (LTSP and basic services) are more-or-less stable and workable
[17:46] <highvoltage> LaserJock: in my experience teachers care very little about technology
[17:47] <LaserJock> it seems like people might start exploring what they can do with stuff
[17:47] <LaserJock> right
[17:47] <LaserJock> and I guess my feeling has been that maybe if we gave them the right tools they might  care more
[17:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: and I think we're at the point where that 'big picture stuff' is getting pretty solid and to the poing where we'll be getting bored with it
[17:47] <LaserJock> but that could be just because I'm a (higher level) teacher type who loves technology :-)
[17:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: which suggests that we're at the point where we can try to attack even bigger and more complicated things... like making it better for teaching and learning :)
[17:48] <LaserJock> perhaps so
[17:48] <LaserJock> I sort of always envisioned they kind of thing
[17:48] <LaserJock> where the school IT guy comes in to a beginning-of-the year meeting with the teaching staff
[17:49] <LaserJock> and he goes "look at what I have for you guys this year!"
[17:49] <LaserJock> he flips on an Edubuntu system and not only does it work, but there's stuff there that makes the teachers excited
[17:50] <alkisg> Like what stuff?
[17:50] <LaserJock> whether that be better educational apps, or better student management, or easier ways of doing mundane tasks
[17:50] <LaserJock> I envisioned just making the teachers job a bit more enjoyable and easier when it came to tech
[17:51] <LaserJock> because my impression is that a big reason they don't care for tech so much is that it is a burden and a hassle
[17:51] <alkisg> Better educational apps => not enough resources. Better students management / doing mundane tasks => nice, I hope we see those.
[17:51] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yeah, that layer you're talking about there is kind of between education and sysadmin in my opinion. almost like an italc in a perfect world
[17:51] <LaserJock> alkisg: I agree, we never had the resources for edu apps
[17:52] <LaserJock> at first I wanted to focus on the edu apps themselves
[17:52] <LaserJock> giving teachers better apps
[17:52] <LaserJock> more student-focused
[17:52] <alkisg> E.g. I'd love to see standalone lab installations with nfs, ldap etc becoming as easy as it LTSP installations are. Skolelinux has something on that, I hope we cooperate more.
[17:52] <LaserJock> but then you run into the huge problem with different standards all over the place
[17:53] <LaserJock> and a lack of resources to really make a significant number of really cutting-edge apps
[17:53] <LaserJock> so then I started thinking more about the teacher
[17:53] <alkisg> Most open source edu apps are also available for windows, so those apps don't provide a reason for the teachers to switch to linux
[17:53] <LaserJock> and thinking, if we make the teachers job easier, make them not waste time on non-teaching tasks
[17:53] <LaserJock> then maybe that frees them up to do the real educational part
[17:53]  * alkisg agrees on that
[17:54] <alkisg> I developed an app called "sch-scripts" exactly for that purpose
[17:54] <LaserJock> my problem of course is that I'm not a K-12 educator
[17:54] <LaserJock> so I can guess at things that would make teacher's lives easier, but it's only a guess
[17:54] <alkisg> It's the main reason ubuntu/ltsp got install in about 250 schools here. Ease of installation + classroom administration tool.
[17:55] <alkisg> The problem is that a good open source tool for classroom administration doesn't exist
[17:55] <alkisg> iTalc unfortunately doesn't fit the bill
[17:56] <alkisg> I hope we'll fill that part in a few years
[17:57] <LaserJock> yeah, I think it has to be a pretty long term strategy
[17:57] <LaserJock> there's a reason this stuff generally doesn't exist :-)
[17:57] <alkisg> The good part is that we're teachers developing the tool that we'll use in our classroom
[17:57] <alkisg> So we have very good chances on maintaining that on the long term
[17:58] <alkisg> I just hope we get just a bit of upstream support on the tools we use
[17:58] <LaserJock> yeah, it's hard pulling it all together
[17:58] <alkisg> (e.g. vinagre for student monitoring, x11vnc etc)
[17:58] <LaserJock> I think it's hard on the teachers who are also writing their tools
[17:59] <LaserJock> it's hard to keep up with changing technologies
[17:59] <alkisg> Well, the only other option was to use italc, but it crashed on 2 secs on 3 out of 5 labs. So nope, no other option than to write our own :D
[17:59] <LaserJock> I don't know what's going to happen with gnome 3
[18:00] <alkisg> I think external tools like vinagre, vlc for video streaming etc will continue to work there
[18:01] <alkisg> We just might need to modify the "glue" a bit
[18:02] <LaserJock> I wonder how gnome-shell is going to work for educators
[18:03] <LaserJock> with sbayon, etc. and just in general if it will be the sort of thing that educators will be happy with
[18:03] <LaserJock> or if everybody will end up using something else
[18:04] <LaserJock> they might just have to end up using openbox
[18:04] <alkisg> Sabayon has proved to be difficult to maintain, it's more frequently broken than working
[18:04] <LaserJock> but I'm a big fan of openbox  :-)
[18:04] <LaserJock> yep
[18:05] <LaserJock> these are the fundamental issues that I see as a trapping point
[18:05] <LaserJock> you can have the most easy to install, rock stable, LTSP (or other) systems
[18:06] <LaserJock> but I still think if you can't lock it down or manage users effectively you end up shooting yourself in the foot
[18:07] <alkisg> Yup, even the most common tasks like having a shared folder between teacher and students are non-trivial currently
[18:13] <LaserJock> alkisg: yeah, that's the kind of stuff that puts teachers off
[18:13] <alkisg> We've done good progress with that here
[18:14] <alkisg> E.g. mass user creation with GUI, creating shared folders, sending files to students etc
[18:15] <alkisg> I hope we can refine it so that it gets into the debian/ubuntu archives in a couple of years
[18:47] <Zarrku> alkisg?
[23:31] <highvoltage> goodnight edubuntu


[03:02] <customer> wrst you here
[03:02] <wrst> hello customer
[03:02] <wrst> yep i'm here :)
[03:03] <wrst> linuxman410, did customer eat you ?
[03:03] <customer> it  is me linuxman410 have irc on phone
[03:04] <customer> trying it out
[03:06] <wrst> cool linuxman410 :)
[03:06] <wrst> how you like it?
[03:07] <linuxman410> yeah found a irc app for my phone
[03:08] <wrst> i'm trying natty out some tonight
[03:08] <linuxman410> cool
[03:09] <wrst> yeah they are making some nice improvements to unity
[03:11] <chris4585> wrst, I wonder how far unity will go
[03:11] <chris4585> maybe into the future we will see ubuntu / canonical developing their own utilities
[03:13] <wrst> chris4585: or an entire desktop?
[03:15] <chris4585> well yeah
[03:17] <wrst> that whole unity in qt thing was wild
[03:17] <chris4585> how was it?
[03:17] <chris4585> I may try it in 10.10 later tonight
[03:19] <wrst> i haven't tried it ... yet
[03:19] <wrst> just the thought is wild,i'm currently pulling in a bunch of natty updates
[03:20] <chris4585> ah
[03:20] <chris4585> well I'm glad that people can experience unity without 3d acceleration
[03:21] <wrst> but i do like a lot of qt apps
[03:23] <chris4585> I'm not a big fan, I'd rather it all be the same toolkit
[03:23] <wrst> i would prefer that also chris4585, but never seems to work out that way
[04:38] <linuxman410> wrst alternate cd worked love it got ubuntu back
[10:23] <chibihogoshino> the new kernel fix my dead pixel
[23:54] <cyberanger> hows everybody, Ive been testing some code, which will hopefully be used as an irc bot
[23:56] <cyberanger> netsplit aside, sounds like a quiet day


[01:26] <David23400> How can i change or add more languages to my keyboard on lubuntu
[01:27] <kanliot> you want to switch keyboard layout?
[01:27] <David23400> hmm for example FR EN
[01:28] <kanliot> you have a french keyboard?
[01:28] <David23400> yes
[01:28] <kanliot> or you want to type french?
[01:28] <David23400> The current language is French
[01:28] <David23400> on my keyboard
[01:28] <kanliot> i don't understand
[01:28] <David23400> I want to add Persian too
[01:28] <David23400> so when i want i switch to persian and type
[01:28] <David23400> on windows there were an icon down right
[01:30] <kanliot> did you try lxkeymap?
[01:32] <kanliot> there is also a keyboard layout switcher applet for the bottom panel
[01:48] <HighTech> Hey everyone...i have a question and i hope someone can help me out...I Binded my "windows" key to open up the Lubuntu Menu...It works. However, if i press my windows key again, the menu doesn't collapse. Does anyone know how i can configure the windows key to collapse the main menu?
[01:52] <kanliot> nope
[01:53] <HighTech> There has got to be some hack for it..i will find it somehow
[01:55] <kanliot> HighTech, you wanna join the wiki-docs team?  we edit the wiki
[01:55] <David23400> Hi, how can i add Persian(Farsi) language layout to my keyboard on lubuntu?
[01:56] <HighTech> Sure  thing
[01:56] <kanliot> David23400, did you try lxkeymap and the panel applet?
[01:57] <kanliot> cool
[01:57] <David23400> yes panel applet just added the icon to the navbar Thanks for that
[01:57] <David23400> but there is only French language in it
[01:57] <David23400> I dont know how to add more languages to it to switch between.
[01:58] <kanliot> create an account on http://help.ubuntu.com and join the https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-wiki-docs team on launchpad.  it might take a while to create your launchpad acct.
[01:58] <kanliot> :)
[01:58] <David23400> ?
[01:58] <HighTech> awesome
[01:58] <HighTech> thanks man..ill join asap
[02:02] <kanliot> David23400, hold on a min
[02:02] <David23400> ok thanks
[02:07] <kanliot> David23400, what languages did you want again?
[02:07] <David23400> well
[02:08] <kanliot> i need the country abbr for them: like us, fr
[02:08] <David23400> Persian/Farsi/Iran
[02:08] <David23400> Iran is the country
[02:08] <David23400> Farsi or Persian is the language
[02:08] <David23400> or even
[02:08] <David23400> فارسی
[02:11] <kanliot> david please look at this list and give me each abbreviation.  thx
[02:11] <kanliot> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/English_list.php
[02:16] <kanliot> David23400, just tell me which layouts you want and i'll look it up
[02:17] <David23400> ok
[02:17] <David23400> its typed
[02:18] <David23400> Persian - Persian - persan - per/fas - fa
[02:18] <kanliot> and what other one
[02:18] <kanliot> you need at least 2
[02:19] <kanliot> and do you know how to logout, login to lubuntu?
[02:19] <David23400> i dont know sorry I'm new to linux
[02:19] <David23400> i need 2 ?
[02:19] <kanliot> no prob
[02:19] <David23400> so english too
[02:19] <kanliot> ok
[02:27] <kanliot> ok here goes
[02:27] <kanliot> you need to go to terminal and enter 2 commands
[02:27] <kanliot> first
[02:27] <kanliot> sudo su
[02:27] <kanliot> second:
[02:27] <kanliot> echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[02:28] <kanliot> you should be able to paste the command with control+shift+v
[02:29] <David23400> ok
[02:29] <David23400> let me try
[02:29] <David23400> echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart ?
[02:30] <kanliot> after you did sudo su your bash prompt should change
[02:30] <David23400> i have typed sudo su then password
[02:30] <David23400> and then 2nd line
[02:30] <David23400> but it says nothing
[02:30] <kanliot> good
[02:30] <David23400> ok now ?
[02:30] <kanliot> thats what it should do
[02:30] <kanliot> restart lubuntu should work
[02:31] <David23400> ok thank you very much
[02:31] <David23400> Ill be back :p
[02:31] <kanliot> :)
[02:36] <David23400> Well at first it was EN at the corner right ( without PERSIAN ) and then when i opened xchat it became FR and there is no anything else.
[02:38] <kanliot> i think i used the wrong code
[02:38] <kanliot> fa is wrong
[02:43] <David23400> but the english didnt stay too
[02:44] <kanliot> i think the code should be ir
[02:45] <kanliot> not what i did
[02:45] <kanliot> you ever used a text editor like notepad before?
[02:45] <kanliot> run this in the terminal
[02:45] <kanliot> sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[02:45] <kanliot> change the fa to ir
[02:45] <David23400> what is the fa lol
[02:46] <Unit193> gksudo for GUI sudo.
[02:46] <David23400> yes i have used notpad before lol
[02:46] <kanliot> once you run the command you should see -layout "fa,us"
[02:46] <David23400> I'm an android developer i know scripting
[02:46] <kanliot> so change to -layout "ir,us"
[02:46] <David23400> so i just run this?
[02:46] <kanliot> and logout, login
[02:47] <kanliot> yeah sudo leafpad .... like above
[02:47] <David23400> ok a text editor opened
[02:47] <David23400> @setxkbmap -layout "fa,us"
[02:48] <David23400> Why not just removing the us lol
[02:48] <David23400> brb loggin out
[02:51] <David23400> Nice man thanks but i losed my french keyboard
[02:52] <David23400> i think i have to change US to FR
[02:52] <kanliot> you can add as many as you like with the commas
[02:53] <David23400> ok
[02:53] <David23400> brb
[02:56] <David23400> Thank you very much
[02:56] <David23400> You're really a professional
[02:56] <David23400> i didnt find anything such easy on web
[02:56] <kanliot> thx
[02:57] <David23400> so the first thing we have done was not so useful?
[02:58] <David23400> i just need to add this line
[02:58] <David23400> @setxkbmap -layout "fr,ir"
[02:58] <David23400> right?
[02:58] <kanliot> yup
[02:58] <David23400> no need :  echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[02:58] <David23400> ?
[02:59] <kanliot> i guess that's actually harder if you are used to notepad
[02:59] <David23400> Man next time if i reinistall this linux ? do i need to type this command  echo @setxkbmap -layout \"fa,us\" >> /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart and then do the rest? or just editing the file is enough?
[03:00] <kanliot> the echo command is the same as adding the line
[03:00] <kanliot> same as editing the file
[03:01] <David23400> ok thank you very much
[03:01] <kanliot> yw
[04:19] <uofm49426> running 11.10 lubuntu on a thinkpad r40 with 768 kb of ram 32 mb radeon m 7500
[04:20] <uofm49426> is there a better option to flash player11 it stutters alot
[04:22] <kanliot> you might try the new firefox
[04:22] <uofm49426> i am
[04:22] <holstein> and/or, chrome, since its got its own flash "baked in"
[04:23] <kanliot> if you are desperate, you might try using the mplayer thingy that works on youtube
[04:23] <uofm49426> you mean chromium
[04:24] <uofm49426> can i purge flash player 11 and find last flash player 10
[04:25] <holstein> i actually meant chrome, since it has its own flash.. chromium, being open source, cannot
[04:26] <uofm49426> is there chrome for ubuntu
[04:27] <holstein> https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
[04:29] <uofm49426> i realize cant expect much from p 4 1.8 an 768 k of ram but it sill faster then my phone but my phone is better lol
[04:30] <kanliot>  ru using firefox 14?
[04:30] <holstein> i usually add the stable FF ppa for folks
[04:31] <uofm49426> 14.0.1
[04:33] <uofm49426> i dont have stuttering using gnome mplayer or vlc ass far as video goes
[04:33] <holstein> uofm49426: i dont think you need to debate if flash is the issue or not
[06:15] <wallnuts> Hi, is it possible to start an X session on another tty such as TTY 2 or 3?
[06:15] <wallnuts> if so how?
[06:18] <bioterror> it would go to tty8
[06:19] <bioterror> tty2 and tty3 are reserved for the console
[06:20] <wallnuts> how do you that I don't have a shell in tty8
[06:21] <wallnuts> sorry I'm kinda a noob
[06:25] <bioterror> becouse you're a noob and you have not configured your inittab ;-)
[10:02] <wallnuts> #cars
[10:38] <synned> ?
[10:54] <ari3lb123> How do I configure the function keys in lubuntu
[10:57] <bioterror> what they should do?
[10:58] <ari3lb123> they do not work as they should - like FN=f3 should mute but it does not do anything
[10:58] <bioterror> ahhh
[10:58] <bioterror> your laptop is?
[10:59] <ari3lb123> fn+f4 + arrow keys should adjust volume but it does nothing
[10:59] <ari3lb123> my laptop is sony VAIO
[10:59] <ari3lb123> PCG-V505CP
[11:00] <ari3lb123> fn+f7 should change the monitor settings and connect to external TV
[11:00] <synned> ?
[11:01] <ari3lb123> synned, the FN keys on my laptop are not working and that is what i am talking about
[11:02] <synned> i have lubuntu 12.04 can any tell me where can i get more themes.
[11:02] <ari3lb123> i agree that would be good, more themes as the default one is not very nice
[11:04] <bioterror> I'll write a FAQ about themes
[11:04] <bioterror> that shows what you have to do to make your lubuntu look different
[11:04] <bioterror> as it's a little complex thing. it's about GTK Engine + LXDE Panel images + Openbox theme
[11:05] <synned> @bioterror i dont need heavy eye candy i just need few new themes that i can install
[11:05] <ari3lb123> im just sticking with the ugly default one as i cant realy be bothered
[11:05] <Unit193> Problem is, need something that's good with GTK2 and GTK3, and GTK3 hasn't settled itself yet either.
[11:06] <synned> @bioterror does lxde uses gtk engine or something else
[11:06] <bioterror> yes
[11:06] <bioterror> as you can see from lxapperance -application
[11:07] <ari3lb123> what about FN keys
[11:07] <synned> k then can i use themes that are compatible with gtk2/gtk3
[11:08] <bioterror> ari3lb123, you could use acpi_listen to sniff the command it sends when you press fn+function keys
[11:10] <Unit193> xev?
[11:10] <ari3lb123> do i type sudo apt-get install acpi_listen
[11:14] <ari3lb123> Bioterror when i type sudo apt-get install acpi_listen it does not do anything it says the package cannot be found
[11:14] <bioterror> my computer says: ~% pkgfile acpi_listen                                                                                .:12:11:59 on 12-08-08:.
[11:14] <bioterror> community/acpid
[11:15] <ari3lb123> what do i type  into the command line to install it
[11:15] <bioterror> apt-get install acpid
[11:15] <ari3lb123> ive installed it
[11:15] <ari3lb123> now what do i do
[11:16] <bioterror> look for acpi_listen command
[11:17] <ari3lb123> what do you mean? look in the start menu? Enter it into terminal?
[11:17] <bioterror> terminal, ofcourse
[11:17] <ari3lb123> what do i enter ? just acpi_listen
[11:17] <bioterror> try
[11:19] <ari3lb123> now the command line is just blank - no message nothing
[11:19] <bioterror> and when you press fn + fsomething
[11:19] <bioterror> does it prompt anything?
[11:20] <ari3lb123> no its just blank
[11:20] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:20] <bioterror> press ctrl + c
[11:20] <bioterror> sudo service acpid restart
[11:20] <bioterror> and then try again
[11:21] <ari3lb123> same as before - blank no prompt
[11:21] <bioterror> yep yep
[11:22] <ari3lb123> what should i do, is there a different command i should try
[11:26] <bioterror> good question
[11:27] <ari3lb123> ive got a list of commands when i type acpi_listern -help
[11:28] <ari3lb123> it says -c , -s , -v, -h, and lists what those do
[11:29] <bioterror> well
[11:29] <bioterror> it sounds like that those keys does not use ACPI
[11:30] <bioterror> and Unit193 had there a hint about xec
[11:30] <bioterror> xev
[11:30] <ari3lb123> ?
[11:31] <ari3lb123> what is xec, i am not ubuntu expert
[11:32] <bioterror> !xev
[11:32] <ari3lb123> * i mean lubuntu expert, i know what operating system i am using
[11:32] <bioterror> !info xorg-xev
[11:32] <bioterror> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/xev.1.html
[11:33] <bioterror> look if you have xev -command
[11:33] <ari3lb123> do i need to install the package first
[11:33] <bioterror> look if you already have it
[11:33] <ari3lb123> i entered xev into CMD and it gave me some text
[11:33] <ari3lb123> so it must exist
[11:33] <ari3lb123> and need configuring or similar
[11:35] <ari3lb123> so i do have it , even though ubottu says it does not exist
[11:37] <ari3lb123> and when i entered in xev a small white windows opened
[11:40] <bioterror> does that white sniff your special keys?
[11:40] <bioterror> white window
[11:41] <ari3lb123> no its just got a black square in it
[11:41] <ari3lb123> and when i click on it nothing happens
[11:42] <bioterror> xev | sed -n 's/^.*state \([0-9].*\), keycode *\([0-9]\+\) *\(.*\), .*$/keycode \2 = \3, state = \1/p'
[11:42] <bioterror> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting taken from there
[11:44] <ari3lb123> will that article explain it all
[11:44] <bioterror> mostly for gnome :D
[11:44] <ari3lb123> sorry, but what is gnome
[11:45] <bioterror> !gnome | ari3lb123
[11:45] <ari3lb123> so the GUI
[11:48] <ari3lb123> is that it
[11:49] <ari3lb123> will the instructions there help sort it out
[11:52] <bioterror> !info sony_acpi
[11:53] <ari3lb123> but it says somy acpi does nto exist
[11:54] <bioterror> found just outdated stuff
[11:54] <ari3lb123> well its an outdated laptop
[11:58] <cYmen> Hey guys, I want to run synclient MaxTapTime=0 at an appropriate time to disable touchpad tapping. Where should I put it?
[11:59] <bioterror> cYmen, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Disable_tap_to_click
[12:03] <ari3lb123> thanks for your help bioterror, i will try your instructions on the wiki page
[12:04] <cYmen> bioterror: thanks
[12:54] <Gosy_> Hey guys
[12:54] <Gosy_> im having a problem with my lubuntu not finding my wireless network
[12:55] <Gosy_> How do i fix that
[12:55] <Gosy_> any ideas?
[12:55] <Gosy_> !wireless
[13:04] <Gosy_> anyone?
[17:51] <Gosy> Hmm
[17:51] <Gosy> hello guys
[17:52] <kanliot> hi
[18:16] <KipIngram> Good afternoon.  How do I get lubuntu to stop showing notification bubbles every time I connect to a network, unplug my charger, plug in my charger, etc.?  I don't want to see the bubbles and I don't want the list down in the system tray of recent notifications that I have to clear periodically.
[19:39] <Salman> Sound problems
[19:41] <AtX> Im having an issue trying to install lubuntu via command line on ubuntu-server. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136766/ its encountering an error when compiling bluez
[19:44] <AtX> here's a paste of when i try to -f the install http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136785/
[19:44] <bioterror> does not tell much
[19:44] <bioterror> weird
[19:45] <bioterror> as if I recall right, bluetooth stuff is not normally in lubuntu
[19:47] <KipIngram> I had to blacklist bluetooth in order to get it to stop coming on at boot in my installation.
[19:47] <bioterror> horrible bluetooth
[19:47] <AtX> ok how would i blacklist it?
[19:47] <KipIngram> Hang on a sec.
[19:47] <AtX> ok bud thanks :)
[19:50] <KipIngram> I created a file called /etc/modprobe.d/bluetooth.conf with the following three lines:
[19:50] <KipIngram> blacklist bnep
[19:50] <KipIngram> blacklist btusb
[19:50] <KipIngram> blacklist bluetooth
[19:50] <KipIngram> It stopped turning on then.
[19:50] <kanliot> atx : please file a bug
[19:50] <bioterror> that's not going to fix this problem
[19:51] <bioterror> I would try to remove bluez in the first place
[19:51] <bioterror> then continue with the installation
[19:51] <AtX> kanliot: where do i file the bug at?
[19:51] <kanliot> can you blacklist the package before he installs the lubuntu-desktop meta package?
[19:51] <kanliot> !bug
[19:51] <KipIngram> Oh, it looks like I also must have run a command to redo the initramfs stuff:
[19:52] <KipIngram> sudo update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r` -v
[19:52] <kanliot> so should be as easy as running ubuntu-bug on a pc with a web-browser
[19:52] <kanliot> ubuntu-bug bluez
[19:52] <KipIngram> So do any of you guys know how to turn off notifications in lubuntu?  Both the pop-ups and the list down in the system tray?
[19:53] <kanliot> and lynx doesn't work
[19:53] <kanliot> yeah
[19:53] <bioterror> kanliot, that's not actually a bug, it's just basic apt :D
[19:53] <bioterror> KipIngram, remove the notification application
[19:53] <kanliot> sudo apt-get remove notification-daemon
[19:53] <KipIngram> :-)  Thank you.
[19:54] <kanliot> yeah, but can't he blacklist the package before he installs lubuntu-desktop?
[19:54] <bioterror> so AtX can you: sudo apt-get purge bluez blueman
[19:54] <kanliot> that would fix it IMHO
[19:55] <AtX> bioterror: doing that now
[19:55] <AtX> ok done ok
[19:56] <bioterror> did it remove any of them?
[19:56] <kanliot> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24609/blacklisting-packages-from-installing
[19:56] <kanliot> https://www.linux.com/community/blogs/130-distributions/330616
[19:56] <AtX> kanliot: runnin the bug report bioterror: yes it removed both of them
[19:56] <bioterror> AtX, no need for bug report
[19:57] <bioterror> now just continue with sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:58] <AtX> kanliot: thanks :)
[20:02] <AtX> thanks guys :) that helped lots
[20:03] <bioterror> you can continue installation?
[20:03] <AtX> nope
[20:04] <AtX> bluez and blueman are still trying to install.. i added them to the file to stop them from installing
[20:04] <bioterror> what in earth pulls them :P
[20:05] <AtX> not sure
[20:06] <bioterror> which version of ubuntu you have installed now?
[20:06] <AtX> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "force-reload" failed.
[20:06] <AtX> start: Job failed to start
[20:07] <AtX> 12.04
[20:12] <bioterror> gotta think a little
[20:13] <kanliot>  atx try this: install lubuntu-core
[20:13] <bioterror> AtX, sudo dpkg --configure a
[20:13] <kanliot> boot into lubuntu
[20:13] <bioterror> AtX, sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:13] <kanliot> then install lubuntu-desktop
[20:15] <bioterror> AtX, does that dpkg line work?
[20:20] <AtX> dpkg dont work
[20:20] <kanliot> try apt-get install lubuntu-core --no-install-recommends
[20:21] <bioterror> AtX, what does it say?
[20:22] <bioterror> one line as a response wont help us
[20:22] <AtX> already installed
[20:23] <AtX> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136843/ is the output from the dpkg command
[20:24] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:24] <AtX> so, i then purged the bluez and blueman packages and then tried to install lubuntu-core which says that its already installed
[20:24] <bioterror> you could
[20:25] <bioterror> purge bluez, blueman, bluetooth
[20:25] <kanliot> atx boot into lubuntu and try installing then
[20:25] <bioterror> then try dpkg --configure -a  again
[20:26] <kanliot> after all, it's a dbus error, which probably isn't running until you start it
[20:26] <bioterror> kanliot, does it mystically correct the dpkg problem?
[20:26] <kanliot> nope
[20:26] <kanliot> i didn't know he had a dpkg problem
[20:26] <AtX> i did the dpkg command agian and nothing happend
[20:26] <bioterror> kanliot, you can read
[20:26] <kanliot> i read dbus problem
[20:26] <AtX> i was seeing a dbus problem also
[20:27] <bioterror> you can start dbus by sayin: sudo service dbus restart
[20:27] <AtX> started
[20:27] <bioterror> but what I see, is a dependency problem
[20:29] <bioterror> well, does it now go thru when you have this dbus running?
[20:30] <AtX> nothing on dpkg when i run that.. but lubuntu-core installs
[20:31] <bioterror> what means nothing?
[20:31] <AtX> it opens the prompt agian
[20:31] <bioterror> okay
[20:31] <AtX> lubuntu-desktop installed correctly with bluez and blueman
[20:31] <bioterror> apt-get -f install then would be a correct command after dpkg --configure -a
[20:31] <AtX> yep it installed :)
[20:32] <AtX> thanks :)
[20:32] <bioterror> mystically it was the dbus not starting :P
[20:38] <AtX> mystically.. thanks agian guys
[21:25] <manel_> Hi, how can i make the desktop appear the effect of a mini icon processing, clock xp for example, to run a desktop shortcut
[21:26] <bioterror> what?
[21:27] <kanliot> how to create shortcuts on the desktop?
[21:29] <manel_> when you ru an app in the ubuntu desktop  an animated circle icon moves in lunbuntu  lxde not , why ?
[21:29] <manel_> ---when you run
[21:30] <kanliot> animated circle on the "mouse pointer"?
[21:30] <manel_> yes
[21:30] <wxl> manel_: because they're completely different window managers/desktop environments that don't have the same features.
[21:31] <kanliot> it's annoying for me as well
[21:31] <kanliot> i can never tell when i've double-clicked or not
[21:32] <bioterror> :D
[21:32] <manel_> when i run an app in lubuntu i cant know if the app is precessing in ubuntu yes i can
[21:32] <bioterror> you need better mouse icons!
[21:32] <manel_> is processing
[21:33] <manel_> not with all the themes mose is always the same
[21:34] <manel_> without the animate draw on the mouse pointer
[21:34] <manel_> not with all the themes of mouse is always the same
[21:37] <manel_> and i would like use a animated mouse pointer like the clock of xp or similar for lubuntu
[21:38] <manel_> any idea ?
[21:39] <kanliot> sorry
[21:39] <wxl> everything i find suggests that if you actually find an openbox compatible theme with animations it should work
[21:39] <wxl> but i can't find any
[21:41] <wxl> oddly "animated mouse" pulls up nothing on box look
[21:42] <wxl> make your own? XD
[21:43] <manel_> a theme with the effect of the clock of Xp or similar
[21:43] <manel_> for lubuntu
[21:43] <wxl> you could file a bug report as a wishlist item
[21:44] <wxl> although lubuntu is meant to be low-resource usage and reducing animations reduces resource usage
[21:45] <manel_> xp is for old computers and the effect is minimum
[21:46] <manel_> the effect of the clock of xp
[21:46] <manel_> is minimum
[21:46] <wxl> there are plenty of computers lubuntu runs happily on that would never handle xp. if you wish to make an argument (i suggest backing it up with data) on why it should be included, either in a bug/wishlist or in a mailing list post, that may get you there.
[21:46] <wxl> otherwise, i'd search around for a compatible animated theme. or make your own.
[21:51] <manel_> is there a animated teme with the clock of xp or similar for lubuntu, because i cant  know when the app  run  with lubuntu
[21:51] <manel_> ?
[21:56] <kanliot> manel_ http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_to_3.4#Improved_startup_notification
[21:59] <amh345> hey guys.  i just usb usb creator from an ubuntu install to create a lubuntu usb boot/install.   however now that's it's created i no longer see my usb stick as an option in bios.  is this a common issue?
[22:00] <manel_> Kanliot, ok but is possible with your page make an animated teme with the clock of xp or similar for the mouse in lubuntu?
[22:02] <amh345> for what it's worth. before i used usb creator..the bios picked up the usb
[22:05] <kanliot> manel, i would figure out why openbox isn't showing the animated pointer
[22:05] <kanliot> seems to be openbox, and look at the link i linked above
[22:05] <kanliot> sorry can't help you more
[22:06] <kanliot> amh345, can you press f2 or f10 to get a "boot options" menu when you boot?
[22:07] <amh345> kanliot: i will try that now
[22:08] <amh345> looks like it's f12 for me
[22:08] <amh345> and it gives me a bunch of options.  but im not sure which one it would be.  before in my boot priority it actuallynamed out the usb drive
[22:09] <kanliot> keep tryin
[22:09] <amh345> this says things like "usb-fdd" "usb-zip" "usb-cdrom" and usb-hdd
[22:09] <kanliot> just use trial and error. it's how professionals do it
[22:09] <amh345> as well as some of the other options.  ls120. floppy
[22:09] <amh345> word. so you dont know either :)
[22:10] <kanliot> your computer is being shy.  it doesn't want to be wiped :)
[22:11] <amh345> usb creator is what caused it.
[22:11] <amh345> i dont know what the hell it did to the usb.  im going to take another swing
[22:11] <manel_> Kanliot , where is the solution in this page : http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Upgrading_to_3.4#Improved_startup_notification
[22:12] <kanliot> sorry manel_ can't help, coz i donno
[22:13] <manel_> what  I should activate?
[22:14] <manel_> what is coz and donno ?
[22:15] <amh345> he means he doesnt know
[22:15] <manel_> amh ok
[22:15] <amh345> word
[22:16] <amh345> glad i could be of disservice
[22:16] <amh345> i hope after all this effort trying to get lubuntu to install it runs nicer than that p.o.s ubuntu
[22:17] <amh345> what a bloated mess that thing was
[22:18] <manel_> amh345 now in my lubuntu i ve 322 mb of 2012 mb ram used
[22:20] <amh345> i've got 0 mb used.   running
[22:20] <amh345> smoooth
[22:20] <manel_> and without use in the start up i ve 162 mb of ram used
[22:23] <kanliot> manel_, thats normal.  ok to use ram.
[22:25] <manel_> in lubuntu must be 80 mb of memory used in the start up or a bit more?
[22:25] <kanliot> lubuntu uses the memory for lots of stuff
[22:25] <kanliot> if you run out of memory you will know
[22:28] <manel_> no with lubuntu in my computer out memory is very dificult with ubuntu yes maybe
[22:29] <amh345> still no dice on booting.
[22:30] <amh345> theres something called http://www.linuxliveusb.com/
[22:30] <amh345> but it;s only for windows.
[22:30] <amh345> if i have to get this working by using windows--- xUbuntu has got some serious problems
[22:31] <kanliot> do you have a cd to burn on?
[22:31] <manel_> with wine could work this app for usb ?
[22:31] <amh345> kanliot: nah, none of these machines have cdroms anymore
[22:31] <amh345> they do have network though
[22:32] <kanliot> :(
[22:32] <wxl> ok i should have been paying attention
[22:32] <wxl> what's your deal amh345 ?
[22:32] <amh345> my father left us when i was a small child.
[22:32] <kanliot> he used unetbootin and his old pc won't boot off it
[22:32] <wxl> oh well that's easy
[22:32] <amh345> my moter developed a nasty drinking habit
[22:32] <kanliot> but it did b4
[22:32] <wxl> sudo apt-get install self-confidence
[22:32] <amh345> haha
[22:33] <wxl> ohhhhh unetbootin poooooo
[22:33] <amh345> ive got ubuntu 12.04 runnign right now. it's terrible.  i want something lightweight like lubuntu.
[22:33]  * wxl shrinks back into the dark corner
[22:33] <amh345> so i used startup creator to create from the lubuntu iso.  and now my usb doesnt show in boot options.
[22:33] <wxl> ok so i have a netbook i threw lubuntu on via usb
[22:33] <wxl> i did have to mess quite a bit with the boot options
[22:33] <amh345> what did you use to burn the usb?
[22:34] <amh345> ah
[22:34] <wxl> i tried to set it in bios and it didn't play right
[22:34] <wxl> so i had to hit the option that would allow me to select a boot device
[22:34] <wxl> also i found that not all ports are built the same way
[22:34] <wxl> the ones on the right did not work where the ones on the left did (or vice versa, don't remember)
[22:34] <wxl> as for what i used to create it, i don't remember off hand
[22:34] <amh345> do you happen to remember what boot device you selected?   before i had hdd1/hdd2/usb  but now ive only got hdds showing up.
[22:34] <wxl> but in the end that wasn't my problem if you get my drift
[22:35] <wxl> it's possible that it does show up as an hdd
[22:35] <wxl> i think i did see kanliot mention trial and error
[22:35] <wxl> it's a very good suggestion
[22:35] <amh345> sweet jesus
[22:35] <amh345> before i mess with that im going to try burning it on an old xp laptop i have for ww2
[22:36] <amh345> if it works i will be both happy and very unimpressed
[22:36] <wxl> oh lord what's the worst that will happen?
[22:36] <amh345> nothing.
[22:36] <wxl> exactly
[22:36] <amh345> i want have acess to my copious amounts of pornography
[22:36] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick/#Known_Issues
[22:36] <amh345> wont
[22:36] <amh345> thi is all for a media server, really
[22:36] <amh345> ubuntu is too bulky and gross
[22:37] <manel_> lubuntu is the best ubuntu but hasnt support lts like xubuntu
[22:37] <amh345> never used xubuntu.
[22:37] <manel_> and why ?
[22:37] <kanliot> i'd open up the computer and put a cd-rom drive in
[22:37] <wxl> i'm pretty sure since i was at work i used linux live usb creator btw amh345
[22:37] <wxl> oh sheesh now i retract previous comment and assert kanliot is off his rocker
[22:37] <amh345> k, thats the win program, right wxl ?
[22:38] <wxl> oh hmmm
[22:38] <wxl> maybe i did use unetbootin!
[22:38] <wxl> but yeah both should work
[22:38]  * wxl doesn't remember
[22:39] <manel_> when a lubuntu lts for 5 years of support ?
[22:39] <n150p> hello
[22:39] <amh345> unetbootin appears to be win as well.
[22:39] <amh345> so regardless.  of to winblowz
[22:39] <wxl> manel_: not
[22:39] <wxl> doesn't mean you won't get support
[22:40] <manel_> not i want a lubuntu stable with 5 years of  life
[22:40] <wxl> honestly i think lts is an annoying farce
[22:40] <wxl> if you want super stability (and forget everything else) try bsd :/
[22:41] <manel_> bsd is a rock
[22:41] <n150p> if i may ask a question: does anyone of you use tilda (quake-style terminal emu)?
[22:41] <wxl> rock solid for sure
[22:41] <wxl> updated? welllll no.
[22:43] <kanliot> ya guake
[22:44] <n150p> kanliot, does transparency work for you? i tried both tilda and guake, they both show my desktop instead of "real" transparency
[22:44] <manel_> see you soon -----bye
[22:45] <kanliot> na donsn't work
[22:46] <n150p> hmm. thanks for trying. maybe i should just purge tilda. it's old and obviously not working.
[22:51] <n150p> i guess i should hit myself hard for the question. lxde seems to be designed to not support transparency for (obvious) performance reasons.
[22:51] <wxl> n150p: indeed. i've tried it too in the past but nothing works great
[22:51] <wxl> i used
[22:51] <wxl> err
[22:51]  * wxl doesn't remember but neither tilda nor guake
[22:52] <n150p> so for the malfunction of the transparency option, here's why: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1686113
[22:53] <n150p> tl;dr Openbox does not support native transparency
[22:55] <n150p> thanks kanliot, wxl for your answers.
[22:55] <n150p> good night all


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[00:19] <mhall119> cjwatson: thanks, I didn't know that
[00:19]  * mhall119 has corrected it now
[00:20] <cjwatson> mhall119: great, thanks
[00:23] <mhall119> YokoZar: have you looked to see what it would take to make wine talk natively to Mir?
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <pitti> Good morning
[08:03] <pitti> roaksoax: it does, what's wrong in your particular case?
[08:17] <larsu> morning!
[08:18] <robert_ancell> larsu, good morning to you!
[08:18] <larsu> robert_ancell: thanks! How are you today?
[08:18] <robert_ancell> larsu, I am doing quite well, thank you for asking.
[08:41] <happyaron> Laney: can you approve ubuntukylin-wallpapers from the queue?
[08:41] <Laney> no
[08:41] <Laney> ask infinity, but seriously today is release day
[08:42] <happyaron> Laney: yes seriously
[08:42] <happyaron> infinity: ping
[08:54] <infinity> happyaron: yes?
[08:54] <happyaron> infinity: can you approve ubuntukylin-wallpapers from the queue? (and a respin of the ubuntukylin image as well, I know it's very late, but they said yes)
[08:55] <infinity> happyaron: Oh dear.  That upload is very, very late.  Are you prepared to re-test both Kylin ISOs Very Very Very Very quickly if we push that through and rebuild?
[08:55] <happyaron> infinity: yes
[08:55] <happyaron> infinity: there are people prepared
[08:55]  * happyaron actually getting those updates hours ago
[08:55] <infinity> happyaron: I was planning on pushing to mirrors literally in the next half hour, so Kylin will end up behind that.  But I don't want it to be any more than, say, 4 or 5 hours from now.
[08:56] <happyaron> understand
[08:57] <rbasak> infinity: [bug 1434758] done.
[08:57] <rbasak> (release noted)
[08:58] <infinity> rbasak: Ta.
[10:21] <infinity> happyaron: Rebuilding the kylin ISOs now.  Please make sure people are ready to test as soon as they spit out the other end of the sausage factory.
[10:26] <happyaron> ok
[11:48] <Laney> happy distribution data outdated day
[12:19] <roaksoax> pitti: howdy! so I upgraded to vivid yesterday and it wont boot :)
[12:20] <roaksoax> pitti: i took a pic of it, having filed a bug or checked this is due to the systemd unit we saw yesterday
[12:20] <roaksoax> pitti: but I;ll send it your way before i file a bug and / or investigate if it is due to that
[12:26] <pitti> roaksoax: ah, do you have that broken dhcp unit installed? that will make it not boot indeed
[12:27] <roaksoax> pitti: i think i do, I have not investigated just yet. But will do during the course of the day!
[12:27] <pitti> roaksoax: so boot with upstart once, remove the faulty unit, boot back
[12:27] <roaksoax> pitti: it won't event boot recovery boot
[12:27] <pitti> roaksoax: I have teh fix uploaded to the SRU queue
[12:28] <roaksoax> pitti: awesome!
[12:28] <pitti> roaksoax: that'll just reject the unit and complain about the garbage at the end
[12:28] <pitti> but not spill its guts
[12:29] <roaksoax> pitti: ok cool!
[12:29] <pitti> roaksoax: or better yet, instead of removing the unit, just remove the faulty space and it should be all good :)
[12:30] <roaksoax> pitti: indeed :)
[12:42] <pitti> roaksoax: got your photo; that's for sure the trailing space after \ from yesterday
[12:43] <roaksoax> pitti: ok, cool! thanks!
[13:00] <shadeslayer> uh, can anyone expand a bit more on the move to snappy for the desktop bits ?
[13:00] <ogra_> shadeslayer, ask #snappy ... or #ubuntu-desktop ;)
[13:02] <roaksoax> pitti: this doesn't seem to work, does it? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10871205/
[13:03] <ScottK> ogra_: That'd be something with a little broader impact than just Ubuntu desktop.
[13:03] <pitti> roaksoax: if pre_start is something executable, it should work; what does systemctl status say?
[13:03] <ogra_> ScottK, why ?
[13:04] <roaksoax> pitti: let me reinstall
[13:04] <ogra_> ScottK, nobody will stop the old stuff from being relevant ...
[13:04] <ScottK> Because every single flavor uses things in common with Ubuntu Desktop.
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ^^ why I'm interested
[13:05] <ogra_> ScottK, and that wont go away ...
[13:11] <pitti> roaksoax: (also, there's something really wrong with piling up lots of shell into upstart scripts or systemd units, but let's worry about that next cycle)
[13:12] <pitti> shadeslayer: debs won't go away anytime soon -- after all, we need to build things like server, phone, or snappy itself from something; but I figure the install "products" may move to becoming snaps/frameworks instead of today's isos
[13:12] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:13]  * shadeslayer makes a note to track the UOS session for this
[13:26] <infinity> happyaron: We tested your 1386/amd64 ISOs here, and they seem to be fine.
[13:28] <roaksoax> pitti: figured it out, missing ';'
[13:40] <pitti> infinity: autocmd FileType changelog,python :setlocal expandtab
[15:25] <infinity> @pilot out
[17:55] <ogra_> jodh, around ?
[17:55] <ogra_> jodh, we have a small prob on the phones, seems upstart segfaults and pushes them into a reboot loop ... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10872934/
[18:12] <YokoZar> mhall119: No, and I don't have a volunteer to even investigate wine->mir at this point.  Unless you want to give mlankhorst company time to do it :)
[18:28] <happyaron> infinity: thanks! late reply on laptop though
[18:28] <happyaron> infinity: is participating the celebration at blue fin
[19:50] <tjaalton> YokoZar: that would be intel's time, so maybe not :)
[21:27] <dobey> is the 'lxcguest' package supposed to exist somewhere? lxc-create is complaining about it and failing, trying to create a vivid lxc on a newly installed trusty host, for me
[23:49] <sarnold> infinity: "Qt updated to version XX"
[23:49] <sarnold> infinity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes


[01:55] <lamont> infinity: stake in the ground for 2015-04-02 2000Z for kiwi "upgrade"
[01:56] <lamont> infinity: I even sent  you an invite, so you see it
[03:04] <infinity> lamont: Shiny.
[03:09] <lamont> which gives me a deadline to figure out by monday just how I'm announcing that


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[12:13] <jbicha> by the way, I got "stuck in artful-proposed for 3 days" emails today for my zesty srus
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> can I do the llvm-toolchain* game?
[12:21] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, ^^ :)
[12:22] <LocutusOfBorg> (I consider llvm part of the toolchain, and there are some symbol versioning fixes that should be uploaded before the archive is opened)
[12:24] <jbicha> LocutusOfBorg: archive is open but autosyncs haven't started yet
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I read logs and I saw something like "monday"
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> so, I'll start the game, llvm needs some bugfixes here :D
[12:26] <LocutusOfBorg> I hope we have now pie enabled by default everywhere
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[12:29] <LocutusOfBorg> nacc, doing the openldap merge
[12:57] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the plan for openssl and openssl 1.0?
[13:45]  * LocutusOfBorg goes AFK after ~15 uploads :p lets see tonight how llvm badly performed
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[06:32] <coolbhavi> dpm, \hey
[06:32] <coolbhavi> good morning :)
[06:32] <dpm> hey coolbhavi, good morning :)
[06:33] <coolbhavi> dpm, I'm just about to finish feedback on the draft
[06:33] <dpm> coolbhavi, oh, that's really awesome, thanks!
[06:34] <dpm> coolbhavi, if you've got any questions apart from the feedback, or if anything is unclear in the spec, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer
[06:35] <coolbhavi> dpm, I wrote it in the feedback only sorry for that
[06:36] <coolbhavi> I do have
[06:36] <dpm> coolbhavi, no need to be sorry for anything, I can answer the questions in any way you like :)
[06:40] <coolbhavi> dpm, most part looks fine thanks for the wonderful work you are doing.. but can we have a rejection mechanism if an app submitted does not comply ton the standards instead of a damage control mechanism like for instance revoking access?
[06:41] <ajmitch> hi
[06:42] <dpm> coolbhavi, actually, dholbach was mentioning something along these lines the other day: uploading an empty app to replace a "bad" app. Do you think that'd be enough, or do you have any ideas for an app rejection mechanism?
[06:42] <dpm> hey ajmitch :)
[06:43] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, hey :)
[06:45] <coolbhavi> dpm, yes I think we can integrate some code in Myapps like if the apps doesnt pass through "x" check which is mandatory it doesnt allow you to upload with an error message
[06:46] <coolbhavi> much like what LP works in the case of a package upload
[06:47] <coolbhavi> if any universe contributor tried to upload into universe or main repo it doesnt accept and no access mail comes
[06:48] <dpm> coolbhavi, ah, gotcha now. Actually, that's already the idea: if the app doesn't pass the automated checks (we're thinking of using Lintian with a new profile we define), you won't be able to upload. Have a look at the design mockups here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppDevUploadProcess#App_Review - that makes me think we should probably add a paragraph on the spec to make it clearer, though
[06:48] <ajmitch> dpm: uploading an empty app is due to how apt works, when you really need to replace something broken
[06:49] <ajmitch> if I get this computer working I'll try & add some feedback tonight :)
[06:49] <dpm> ajmitch, that'd be great, thanks! :)
[06:50] <dpm> ajmitch, re: app uploads, yeah, I think we were talking about two different things, though. Now I understand Bhavani meant stopping an app to get into the process rather than removing an existing app
[06:50] <ajmitch> right
[06:50] <coolbhavi> replacing with an empty app is also a good idea but on the flip side extras.ubuntu.com syncs on from PPA every 1 hour and you need to explicitly stop syncing for that particular app I guess
[06:50] <ajmitch> aiui, an app will have to pass all automated checks prior to being published, and sometimes some manual checks
[06:51] <coolbhavi> dpm, ah got it in mockups thanks :)
[06:51] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, +1
[06:51] <ajmitch> hopefully as few manual checks as possible
[06:52] <coolbhavi> agreed
[06:53] <ajmitch> my main doubts are with the sandboxing & construction of apparmor profiles
[06:54] <ajmitch> perhaps I'd have to try & write some deliberately malicious apps to exercise some corner cases :)
[06:54] <dpm> ajmitch, we're intentionally reducing and removing manual checking in the measure possible, as human review is the main bottleneck in such processes. I think we should identify any manual checks still required and think of ways they can be automated
[06:54] <ajmitch> dpm: right
[06:56] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, :) so that permissions are stricter with app armor profiles
[06:56] <ajmitch> permissions are more fine-grained
[06:56] <ajmitch> and you can have permissions on more than just files, as the spec shows
[06:57] <coolbhavi> yep got it :)
[06:57] <ajmitch> problem is that many app authors won't have written apps with this in mind, I saw a section added to the spec today about having to deal with permission denials
[06:58] <ajmitch> dpm: I don't have the spec open, is there a way for users to revoke access to certain things without just uninstalling an app?
[07:00] <coolbhavi> dpm, ajmitch I thought the ARB revokes the access
[07:01] <ajmitch> coolbhavi: it's getting a bit out of scope, but I mean things like a user not wanting to allow an app access to ~/Pictures
[07:02] <ajmitch> it's more in the scope of a apparmor profile control UI
[07:02] <dpm> coolbhavi, he's referring to the user revoking security permissions for an app they've got installed
[07:02] <coolbhavi> ah ok sorry for that
[07:03] <ajmitch> what dpm said :)
[07:04] <dpm> ajmitch, currently we're not catering for that. The security policy controls are thought to affect all apps, and not be modifiable on a single app basis. The only thing that applies to single apps is the ability to define exceptions to the policy and install an app even if it falls outside your defined policy
[07:04] <ajmitch> dpm: I think it could be something to keep in mind for future work
[07:05] <ajmitch> maybe in a couple of cycles for someone interested
[07:06] <dpm> ajmitch, definitely. I think it is not an essential feature to implement the first cut of the spec, but I agree that it might be something to be implemented by someone interested along the road. Remember to mention it in the feedback
[07:07] <ajmitch> will do, just about finished putting hard drives in new computer :)
[07:07] <dpm> coolbhavi, I modified the markup on your feedback to make the quoted sections more clear, I hope you don't mind. I'll go and answer your questions now
[07:07] <dpm> ajmitch, I hope everything works! :)
[07:07] <ajmitch> so do I!
[07:08] <dpm> :)
[07:08] <coolbhavi> dpm, by which I understand that we will have apps cpmply against a standard security policy control and apart from that you can add exceptions to a single app while installing
[07:08] <coolbhavi> dpm, ok no issues
[07:08] <dpm> coolbhavi, exactly
[07:08] <coolbhavi> dpm, thanks!
[07:09] <ajmitch> exceptions are not done by the user while installing, but chosen by the app author, anything custom gets a manual review
[07:09] <ajmitch> so you can choose that you need to have access to all of d-bus when uploading your app, but it'd get some scrutiny
[07:10] <dpm> ajmitch, that was a couple of revisions ago, we changed that in the spec,
[07:10] <ajmitch> dpm: I need to keep up then
[07:10] <dpm> ajmitch, in line with reducing manual review, we've disabled the ability to specify any custom permissions
[07:10] <ajmitch> ok
[07:11] <dpm> so app authors have to go with the permissions (to be exact AppArmor abstractions) we're presenting them
[07:11] <ajmitch> I'll give feedback on not liking presenting more options to the user in the software centre :)
[07:11] <dpm> anything outside that is a NACK, and the app cannot be uploaded
[07:11] <ajmitch> I know it's like what android does
[07:12] <dpm> in a way, but Android does not have the exception mechanism we're introducing
[07:12] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, :)
[07:12] <ajmitch> right, I also know that people often click whatever's in front of them
[07:15] <ajmitch> I'll re-read the spec before giving feedback later
[07:19] <coolbhavi> dholbach, hey good morning!
[07:19] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <dholbach> namaste coolbhavi
[07:20] <coolbhavi> namaste dholbach :) think you missed a interesting conversation here :)
[07:20] <coolbhavi> dpm, ^^^ :)
[07:21] <ajmitch> hi dholbach
[07:21] <dholbach> hi ajmitch :)
[07:23] <dholbach> which conversation was that?
[07:24] <coolbhavi> dholbach, regarding the app dev spec
[07:27] <dholbach> aha
[07:28] <dpm> sure, thanks ajmitch!
[07:29]  * coolbhavi goes to lunch
[07:29] <dpm> coolbhavi, I've finished replying to your feedback, let me know if that all makes sense to you
[07:29] <dpm> morning dholbach!
[07:30]  * ajmitch refreshes again
[07:30] <coolbhavi> dpm, sure :)  me too if permitted will re read the spec again after my UDW session today and provide additional feedback/ask doubts
[07:31] <dpm> coolbhavi, excellent, thanks, that's very helpful
[07:31] <dpm> coolbhavi, let me add a mention to how review and rejection works to the spec, as per your input earlier on
[07:32] <coolbhavi> dpm, thanks a lot! cya around
[08:55] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[09:05] <dpm> hey PaoloRotolo :)
[09:07] <ajmitch> hi PaoloRotolo
[09:08] <PaoloRotolo> Hey dpm, ajmitch :)
[12:09] <gotwig> please checkout my "application" https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/749/
[13:01] <coolbhavi> gotwig, Thanks for your submission to the ARB. We will be checking it out and we will get in touch with you soon with our reviews
[13:02] <gotwig> coolbhavi: really nice, I waited 4 months ^^
[13:02] <gotwig> coolbhavi: I have now ported it to python 3
[13:03] <coolbhavi> gotwig, sorry to hear that you have waited for 4 months
[13:03] <gotwig> coolbhavi: the app is not that "well" maintained :-) I have to study much
[13:04] <coolbhavi> gotwig, thats nice hearing that you have ported to py3 we will have a look and get back to you shortly
[13:17]  * gotwig is back
[13:18] <gotwig> I am sorry, some class mates played with the pc ;)
[14:16] <mhall119> coolbhavi: ajmitch: just finished reading the whole conversation
[14:16] <mhall119> to be clear, the *only* manual review in the spec will be identifying the developer
[14:17] <mhall119> this will allow us to prevent anonymous uploading, so the chances of someone uploading malicious code will be greatly reduced
[14:18] <mhall119> the sandbox is there to prevent accidental or poorly-thought-out code from doing bad things
[14:18] <mhall119> and while we will remove apps from the archive if they violate the terms and conditions, we won't be removing them form people's machines
[14:18] <coolbhavi> mhall119, thanks a lot that was my concern meant by manual review in developer identification/verification
[14:19] <mhall119> coolbhavi: right, so they will have to state that they are allowed by the project to upload, but we won't have to verify that
[14:19] <mhall119> we'll only verify that if someone else from the project objects
[14:20] <coolbhavi> seems fine with me
[14:21] <mhall119> ajmitch: we had discussed giving the user the ability to select which apparmor policies to allow and which to deny, but the concern is that would put a considerable amount of extra work on the developer to be able to handle any combination of accepted/rejected access
[14:22] <mhall119> for example,I couldn't just assume in my code that I could send desktop notifications, I'd have to try/catch everything and gracefully handle failures
[14:31] <mhall119> ajmitch: I'm checking in on that RT, if you guys ever have any problems with things like that just let me know and I'll hound somebody about it
[14:43] <coolbhavi> mhall119, thanks for your wonderful work on the spec btw :)
[14:48] <mhall119> :)
[14:49] <mhall119> thanks for taking the time to read it (I know it's long) and give feedback
[14:50] <coolbhavi> mhall119, you are welcome hopefully I can addon re-reading the spec after my UDW session :)
[14:50] <coolbhavi> mhall119, shall I pm you?
[14:51] <mhall119> coolbhavi: sure
[14:51] <mhall119> but if it's about the spec, it'd be better to discuss it here
[14:52] <coolbhavi> mhall119, not about the spec though :)
[15:00] <gotwig> jo
[15:54] <PaoloRotolo> Hello!
[15:55] <coolbhavi> hello PaoloRotolo
[15:55] <PaoloRotolo> Hey, coolbhavi :)
[15:55] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:57] <PaoloRotolo> coolbhavi: you've a session at 16:00, right :)?
[15:57] <coolbhavi> yep
[15:57] <coolbhavi> :)
[15:57] <PaoloRotolo> cool
[15:58] <gotwig> coolbhavi: whats the topic?
[15:59] <coolbhavi> gotwig, regarding dev advisory team
[15:59] <gotwig> okay
[15:59] <gotwig> coolbhavi: are you also part of the arb?
[15:59] <coolbhavi> yes
[15:59] <gotwig> nice that I final catch one guy ;P
[16:00] <PaoloRotolo> Hi gotwig :)
[16:00] <gotwig> coolbhavi: so can you maybe tell me when my app gets reviewed, or I get more info? I think I need more Info for packaging properly. its a bit hacky, mhall helped me
[16:00] <gotwig> PaoloRotolo: sup ;)
[16:01] <coolbhavi> gotwig, ll get back to you after my session
[16:01] <gotwig> coolbhavi: when is your session? in hours please
[16:01] <gotwig> I am in another timezone ;)
[16:01] <PaoloRotolo> gotwig: now :P
[16:01] <gotwig> PaoloRotolo: :-)
[16:02] <PaoloRotolo> gotwig: what is your app?
[16:03] <gotwig> PaoloRotolo: Unity Cooking Lens
[16:03] <gotwig> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/749/
[16:03] <PaoloRotolo> gotwig: great. I'll try it too
[16:04] <gotwig> PaoloRotolo: you should read the AskUbuntu post :-)
[16:05] <gotwig> http://askubuntu.com/a/105184
[16:08] <gotwig> PaoloRotolo: do you know about cookety?
[16:11] <gotwig> coolbhavi: where is your session?
[16:12] <PaoloRotolo> gotwig: now, sorry
[16:13] <PaoloRotolo> now/no
[16:15] <gotwig> PaoloRotolo: you sould check it out. I think about supporting it. It seems it author has gave it a shot
[16:50] <coolbhavi> dpm, got a ARB question :)
[18:13] <gotwig> Hey there..
[18:29] <mhall119> ajmitch: can you ping deej in #canonical-sysadmin about that RT?
[18:29] <mhall119> he's trying to find out what's going on
[19:04] <gotwig> cielak: hey
[19:05] <cielak> hey gotwig
[19:06] <gotwig> cielak: are you a arb guy ;P ?
[19:06] <cielak> gotwig: sorry, no
[19:31] <ajmitch> mhall119: sure, that's why I thought I'd ping you about it, in case you knew someone who could get it moving
[19:41] <mhall119> thanks ajmitch
[19:41] <ajmitch> np, about the only thing I can do this week :)