  Any help would be greatly appreciated (sorry for the uber long message)
[00:21] <cbrowne> ping...
[00:35] <Hypnoz> I had problems with wireless in 9.10, which worked perfectly in 9.04
[00:35] <Hypnoz> so i finally went back to 9.04
[00:35] <Hypnoz> you might consider trying your setup on a 9.04 install
[00:35] <Hypnoz> if you get desperate i guess
[01:18] <ruben23> hi are there ways to optimize ubuntu-server default..
[01:23] <qman__> ruben23, you're going to have to be more specific -- ubuntu server is optimized for typical situations out of the box
[01:30] <ruben23> qman__: what are ways i can enhance and optimize ubuntu-server. my application need extensive processing...
[01:44] <qman__> ruben23, ubuntu server has no superfluous or performance-hindering configurations by default
[01:44] <qman__> there are some things you may be able to remove, but they would also remove functionality
[01:44] <qman__> if a base ubuntu server install is not fast enough, you probably need faster hardware
[01:53] <ruben23> qman__:ill take that...i just heard from other modifying kernel stack to preven memory leak.it hink thats wrong.
[01:54] <qman__> a memory leak is a different problem
[01:54] <qman__> if your kernel is leaking memory, it needs to be fixed, probably by updating it
[01:55] <qman__> if your program is leaking, you need to complain to whoever wrote it
[02:00] <ruben23> qman__: thank you for clarity.
[02:07] <MTecknology> qman__: there's ways to speed it up...
[02:08] <MTecknology> I figure it's the perfect balance between instant usability, security, and speed
[02:08] <MTecknology> although I wouldn't mind sacraficing a little usability for the sake of more security
[02:09] <ruben23>  MTecknology:hows that..?
[02:09]  * genii sacrifices a goat to MTecknology's cause
[02:10] <MTecknology> giovani: :P
[02:10] <MTecknology> genii: *
[02:11] <MTecknology> ruben23: I tend to remove a lot of cruft from a basic server install, but overall it's not bad
[02:11] <MTecknology> I kinda wish we offered a hardened kernel
[02:11] <MTecknology> genii: you should see my kernel config :P
[02:14] <ruben23> MTecknology:you re compile the kernel.
[02:15] <MTecknology> ruben23: ya, for my own laptop (only system) - not the servers I run
[02:16] <ruben23> ow ok, im just worried on my ubuntu-server i ahd it keeps getting high loadavg- up 12.0:-(
[02:18] <MTecknology> you check top output?
[02:19] <ruben23> im using htop
[02:20] <Pici> ruben23: how many cpus?
[02:20] <MTecknology> I don't trust htop, never seems completely accurate
[02:21] <ruben23> i got dual core xeon-intel.
[02:21] <ruben23> 2.4Ghz
[02:21] <Pici> Check iotop then
[02:23] <ruben23> Pici: i think the application itself are putting the high load
[02:23] <bogeyd6> MTecknology, how is htop not accurate?
[02:24] <ruben23> whats the difference betwwen buffer memory to cached memory..
[02:24] <MTecknology> apache under any normal use seems to add a plenty high load
[02:24] <bogeyd6> buffer is in the processor
[02:25] <bogeyd6> MTecknology, im interested in the specifics of htop being inaccurate
[02:25] <ruben23> how about cached..?
[02:25] <MTecknology> cached is held in memory but not being used, for being quickly recalled
[02:26] <bogeyd6> MTecknology, i ask because a) i assume you are not a troll b) i use htop and rely on it for my consulting
[02:26] <bogeyd6> cached is the ram
[02:26] <bogeyd6> Cache Memory can be accessed more quickly by the computer microprocessor than it can be accessed by regular RAM
[02:27] <bogeyd6> well cached is usually in the ram
[02:27] <MTecknology> bogeyd6: there are times where I see top and htop disagree
[02:28] <bogeyd6> run on the same box?
[02:29] <MTecknology> ya
[02:29] <MTecknology> same time
[02:29] <MTecknology> buffer = being moved around; used = ready for instant use; cached = ready to become ready for instant use; free means nothing there to be used
[02:29] <MTecknology> best as I know how to explain it very simply unless i'm wrong
[02:30] <bogeyd6> i know about the memory usage calculation
[02:30] <MTecknology> bogeyd6: I could be wrong and there could be bugs that were addressed in the time since I used it last - ~4yr
[02:30] <bogeyd6> but running htop and top at the same is very easy to see the disagreement and why
[02:31] <Pici> I've not had any issues running htop myself
[02:31] <bogeyd6> Pici, you did on the memory calculation and didnt know it
[02:32] <bogeyd6> Pici, fear not it was just the buffer usage
[02:33] <pmatulis> ruben23: you have a cpu load of 12.0 ?  for how long?
[02:34] <ruben23> pmatulis:actually i start at 0.89 then rising.then eventually ill get 12.0 when full usage then my apps crashed up. need to reboot again
[02:34] <ruben23> to correct.
[02:34] <bogeyd6> ruben23, which app?
[02:35] <pmatulis> ruben23: geez, change your h/w and/or your app
[02:35] <ruben23> bogeyd6: its a dialer system..for voice calling-asterisk, and he do recordings
[02:35] <bogeyd6> ruben23, i read your past convo and it seems no one told about the ubuntu linux rt kernel
 qman__: what are ways i can enhance and optimize ubuntu-server. my application need extensive processing...
[02:36] <ruben23> bogeyd6:  yes whats rt kernel.?
[02:36] <bogeyd6> real time processing
[02:36] <bogeyd6> linux has an inherent delay in processing
[02:36] <pmatulis> ruben23: even a consistent load of 2.0 is terrible
[02:36] <bogeyd6> !realtime
[02:36] <MTecknology> bogeyd6: so what happens with it? had to run
[02:36] <ruben23> pmatulis: yeah its true..worst is 12.0
[02:37] <bogeyd6> !rt | ruben23
[02:37] <bogeyd6> ruben23, https://rt.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[02:38] <bogeyd6> ruben23, just to help even further Real-time applications have operational deadlines between some triggering event and the application's response to that event. To meet these operational deadlines, programmers use real-time operating systems (RTOS) on which the maximum response time can be calculated or measured reliably for the given application and environment.
[02:39] <ruben23> th recommend distro version for my apps is ubuntu-server 8.10 LTS
[02:39] <bogeyd6> 8.04 lts
[02:39] <ruben23> bogeyd6: this process is kernel recompile and patching it up..?
[02:39] <ruben23> sorry
[02:39] <MTecknology> !lts
[02:40] <bogeyd6> ruben23, as simple as apt-get install linux-rt
[02:40] <ruben23> bogeyd6:ow , wow this is a big help..
[02:40] <bogeyd6> reboot and try it
[02:40] <bogeyd6> if you dont like, remove it and reboot
[02:41] <MTecknology> I wonder how hard it is to write a useful OS from scratch...
[02:41] <bogeyd6> upgrading to karmic will be even more beneficial but who knows if your app is supported
[02:41] <MTecknology> gnu hasn't even been able to do it yet - obviously i couldn't, i'm just wondering what kind of work goes into it..
[02:42] <MTecknology> ruben23: what app?
[02:42] <bogeyd6> MTecknology, debian sarge had over 230 million lines of code
[02:42] <MTecknology> that's with the kernel and everything?
[02:42] <ruben23>  MTecknology: asterisk, with a couple of record apps, like sox and lame.
[02:43] <bogeyd6> MTecknology, the whole release
[02:43] <bogeyd6> ruben23, linux-rt is included in ubuntu studio because of the audio and video processing
[02:43] <MTecknology> bogeyd6: if you have 10 million devs that's ion 23 million lines each :P
[02:43] <bogeyd6> ruben23, asterisk is available on karmic
[02:43] <bogeyd6> MTecknology, http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/
[02:44] <bogeyd6> !asterisk
[02:44] <bogeyd6> !voip | ruben23
[02:44] <ruben23> bogeyd6:  yes it the backend of my apps, using viciidal-created through perl script.
[02:45] <bogeyd6> i would try the linux-rt kernel which is made for sound processing and see how far tht gets you
[02:45] <ruben23> http://astguiclient.sourceforge.net/vicidial.html  <-------see ubuntu is recommended..best
[02:46] <MTecknology> bogeyd6: I have a hard time reading that article beyond the title, but it sounds interesting
[02:46]  * bogeyd6 feels dirty for helping a telemarketer
[02:46] <ruben23> bogeyd6:i will also try it to karmic- the goal is to lessen up loadavg generated..
[02:48] <bogeyd6> !ymmv | ruben23
[02:48] <ruben23> bogeyd6: this is a big help, thanks so much, il test it on production..
[02:48] <bogeyd6> :)
[02:49] <bogeyd6> we aim to please here at ubuntu
[02:49] <ruben23>  bogeyd6:does karmic already have the rt kernel..?
[02:50] <bogeyd6> ruben23, no it doesnt. you install and you "sudo apt-get install linux-rt" and reboot the server
[02:52] <ruben23>  bogeyd6: got one more clarification
[02:52] <bogeyd6> ruben23,  k
[02:53] <ruben23> i got this process on before installing my apps, where i can incorporate the rt kernel here on this part..? ---------> http://pastebin.com/H9MLXRKp  -----> do i need to omit process here..?
[02:53] <bogeyd6> hmm
[02:56] <ruben23> bogeyd6: what you think..?
[02:56] <bogeyd6> ruben23, http://pastebin.com/Lj2YrMh9
[02:57] <bogeyd6> im not sure about why you need the linux-source but it cant hurt
[02:57] <ruben23> ok i will omit linux source-im not needing it actually.
[02:58] <ruben23> ill replace linux source with rt linux install
[02:58] <bogeyd6> kk
[02:59] <ruben23> thanks
[03:06] <ruben23>  bogeyd6:if i install linux rt- do i need to install linux header again..? or no need
[03:07] <bogeyd6> not if you followed the order i did it in
[03:08] <MTecknology> ruben23: install kernel/header; reboot
[03:09] <MTecknology> !info harden
[03:09] <MTecknology> ruben23: you ever mess with that?
[03:09] <MTecknology> bogeyd6: *
[03:15] <ruben23> bogeyd6: how do i cehck if rt-kernel is installed propoerly
[03:16] <ruben23> i got this---> Linux vicidial 2.6.24-27-server #1 SMP Fri Mar 12 01:45:06 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:16] <bogeyd6> cat /etc/lsb-release
[03:17] <bogeyd6> wait sorry im dumb
[03:19] <ruben23> ok
[05:01] <sekyourbox> I need help with wpa_supplicant. When i run the command its says the following drivers are installed: wext, nl80211, amtel, wired... I need to enable madwifi drivers, and i believe they are already installed by default on 910..Network says im using auth5. Any help please
[05:10] <twb> sekyourbox: that doesn't sound like a server issue.
[05:11] <sekyourbox> I need to do this for my server
[05:11] <sekyourbox> I cant set up a server with network manager
[05:20] <MTecknology> sekyourbox: hm?
[05:21] <sekyourbox> MTecknology
[05:21] <MTecknology> sekyourbox: vim /etc/networking/interfaces
[05:22] <sekyourbox> I know how to set it up, i just need to know how to get wpa_supplicant to recognise the driver.
[05:22] <twb> sekyourbox: you generally want the generic wext driver these days.
[05:22] <MTecknology> you just need to have the driver loaded, the rest should be magic
[05:24] <sekyourbox> Wext isn't working for me
[05:24] <sekyourbox> it connects but wont grab a DHCP address
[05:24] <sekyourbox> I dont want to set up a static address
[05:24] <sekyourbox> AND i want to use madwifi
[05:25] <MTecknology> why don't yyou want a static ip for a server?
[05:26] <sekyourbox> because the wpa part of the setup has nothing to do with my server. I need to setup a PXE server for a seperate subnet in my lan
[05:27] <sekyourbox> so its actually a workstation/server
[05:27] <sekyourbox> I will also eventually be setting other things that need network manager to be disabled
[05:39] <sekyourbox> looks like I need to re-compile wpa_supplicant
[06:24] <Carbon_Monoxide> hi! i have an Ubuntu Server 9.04 with Error 16: Inconsistent filesystem structure during boot up
[06:25] <Carbon_Monoxide> I've used a LiveCD to fsck the ext2 /boot partition
[06:25] <Carbon_Monoxide> and it is marked as clean
[06:26] <Carbon_Monoxide> what else do i need to do?
[07:37] <sherr> Carbon_Monoxide: A google brings up some hits - looks like a serious issue and not solved by many ... filesystem issue/corruption
[07:37] <sherr> http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Inconsistent+filesystem%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a
[07:38] <sherr> One person backed up the kernel and made a copy of it for boot :
[07:38] <sherr> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72686
[07:38] <sherr> Maybe you will get lucky. Good luck.
[14:08] <ricdanger1> hi there
[14:08] <ricdanger1> I'm testing ubuntu 10.04 and find something really annoying
[14:08] <ricdanger1> no verbose output on boot
[14:08] <ricdanger1> is there a way to fix this?
[14:12] <twb> Remove "quiet" from the kernel boot parameters.
[14:12] <twb> Depending on what you mean by "verbose".
[14:13] <ricdanger1> nop
[14:13] <twb> I think there's further output if you add "debug" or someting.
[14:13] <ricdanger1> kernel messages show fine
[14:13] <twb> ricdanger1: did you install from the server CD?
[14:13] <ricdanger1> but everything from init-bottom is just black
[14:13] <ricdanger1> sure
[14:13] <ricdanger1> both minimal and regular
[14:13] <ricdanger1> btw, regular installs plymouth.
[14:13] <twb> Oh, it's THAT
[14:13] <twb> Hit Ctrl+Alt+F1
[14:13] <ricdanger1> so there is a splash, but still no boot messages
[14:14] <twb> There's a vt switching issue.
[14:14] <ricdanger1> Ctrl+Alt+F1 shows the caret scrolling vertically but not a single output from init scripts
[14:14] <ricdanger1> it's like the messages are being printed black in black
[14:14] <twb> OK, at this point I'm just going to say that I don't know.
[14:15] <ricdanger1> this is really annoying
[14:15] <twb> I can probably fix it from first principles, but I don't have hardware that can run plymouth to test a 10.04 image against.
[14:15] <ricdanger1> hope it gets fixed
[14:15] <ricdanger1> do you know where can I fill a bug for thgis?
[14:15] <ricdanger1> twbn: without plymouth (virtual or minimal install), you only get a black space without any output
[14:15] <twb> Dunno
[14:15] <ricdanger1> so, the problem is there
[14:16] <twb> The usual ubuntu bug reporting procedures should apply
[14:16] <ricdanger1> sure
[14:16] <twb> !malone
[14:16] <ricdanger1> but what package should this be related?
[14:16] <ricdanger1> I filled on upstart
[14:16] <twb> ricdanger1: best guess, and they'll reassign it if you're wrong
[14:16] <twb> upstart or plymouth are reasonable guesses IMO
[14:18] <ricdanger1> btw
[14:18] <ricdanger1> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41417613/LucidBoot.png
[14:18] <ricdanger1> here is the boot result
[14:19] <ricdanger1> the more services I add, the more scrolled down the prompt is
[14:19] <twb> Hmm, what provides the LSB script library
[14:19] <twb> ricdanger1: do you have lsb-base installed?  Check its bug list.
[14:20] <ricdanger1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/0.6.5-5
[14:20] <ricdanger1> they have here something about foreground color
[14:20] <ricdanger1> fixed on 0.6.5-5 (the one I'm running)
[14:20] <ricdanger1> maybe this is why the text is black now
[16:34] <jmazaredo> can you forward <IP_ADDRESS>:80 to <IP_ADDRESS>:80?
[16:34] <jmazaredo> so that if <IP_ADDRESS> request webpage on <IP_ADDRESS> will go to <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:37] <RoyK^> jmazaredo: there are several ways to do that :)
[17:39] <jmazaredo> i need!\
[17:39] <RoyK^> how?
[17:39] <RoyK^> proxying?
[17:40] <RoyK^> iptables can help you, but a simple redirect is easier
[17:40] <jmazaredo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1434586
[17:40] <jmazaredo> thats my problem
[17:40] <RoyK^> <?php header("Location: http://newbox"); ?>
[17:40] <jmazaredo> posted in the thread
[17:40] <jmazaredo> iptables perhaps
[17:41] <jmazaredo> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i wlan0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[17:41] <jmazaredo> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i wlan0 -j ACCEPT
[17:41] <jmazaredo> the problem is the other box is in virtualbox
[17:41] <RoyK^> why would that be a problem?
[17:42] <RoyK^> if using NAT in vbox, you'll need their own port forward
[17:42] <jmazaredo> the adapter is bridged
[17:42] <jmazaredo> so they are on same network
[17:45] <RoyK^> sorry. fell out
[17:46] <jmazaredo> :)
[17:47] <jmazaredo> in the internet i only see forwarding external to internal
[17:47] <RoyK^> there isn't really a big difference
[17:47] <RoyK^> just two sides
[17:48] <jmazaredo> so this command what will this do? iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i wlan0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[17:48] <jmazaredo> all request from that pc will go to <IP_ADDRESS>:80?
[17:49] <RoyK^> yes
[17:49] <jmazaredo> iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i wlan0 -j ACCEPT
[17:49] <RoyK^> that is, it'll forward the request
[17:49] <jmazaredo> that one?
[17:50] <RoyK^> that one will accept routing in the FORWARD chain if that is already blocked by policy
[17:50] <RoyK^> if the policy is ACCEPT, it won't do much
[17:50] <jmazaredo> ok will try to sabotage my pc now :)
[17:50] <jmazaredo> i will run the command
[17:50] <RoyK^> you'll have to make sure ip forwarding is enabled in the kernel, though
[17:50] <RoyK^> well, no, I don't think you will need that
[17:51] <jmazaredo> think all kernels can forward
[17:51] <RoyK^> they _can_
[17:51] <jmazaredo> using 8.04 desktop
[17:51] <RoyK^> I can jump out of the window, but that doesn't make it likely for me to want to
[17:51] <jmazaredo> 0_0
[17:52] <RoyK^> see sysctl -a | grep forward
[17:52] <RoyK^> there's a setting in kernel wheather or not to do ip forwarding
[17:53] <jmazaredo> its all = 0?
[17:53] <RoyK^> then kernel won't forward packages
[17:53] <jmazaredo> why is that
[17:53] <RoyK^> well, just set it to 1
[17:54] <RoyK^> /etc/sysctl.conf
[17:54] <RoyK^> you don't necessarily want your box to work as a router
[17:55] <jmazaredo> firestarter makes your box like a router right?
[17:56] <RoyK^> just enable ipv4 routing
[17:56] <RoyK^> in sysctl.conf
[17:56] <jmazaredo> got it
[17:56] <RoyK^> it's the kernel doing the routing after all
[17:56] <RoyK^> not some fancy userspace software
[17:57] <jmazaredo> :)
[17:57] <jmazaredo> will restart the network dont jump on the window ok
[17:57] <RoyK^> hehe
[17:58] <RoyK^> jmazaredo: there's no need to restart anything to make those changes work
[17:58] <RoyK^> just sysctl -p
[18:01] <jmazaredo> still aint workin
[18:02] <jmazaredo> will try again
[18:02] <RoyK^> jmazaredo: there's no need to restart anything to make those changes work
[18:02] <RoyK^> just sysctl -p
[18:02] <RoyK^> telnet to ip:port to see what's happening
[18:05] <jmazaredo> nothing
[18:05] <jmazaredo> will try to flush
[18:05] <RoyK^> flush what?
[18:21] <jmazaredo> still not working
[18:21] <jmazaredo> 0_0
[18:35] <ChrisRut> so there is the 'time' command which will output the time taken to run a process (i.e. time ls), is there a command I can run that will tell me the cpu usage (min,max,average) during a process (for that given process) ?
[18:38] <ChrisRut> for benchmarkign
[18:38] <ChrisRut> *benchmarking
[18:59] <pwnguin> ChrisRut: not as easy as time, but bootchart can probably be hacked to do what you want
[19:00] <pwnguin> however, min, max and average by themselves are meaningless
[19:00] <pwnguin> the min will be 0 and max will be 100
[19:05] <pwnguin> average will just be user time / wall clock time
[19:05] <ChrisRut> right about min & max... but time's man says it can output cpu utilization(http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?time) using 'P' ?
[19:06] <pwnguin>   P      Percentage  of  the  CPU that this job got.  This is just
[19:06] <pwnguin>                      user + system times divided by the total running time. It
[19:06] <pwnguin>                      also prints a percentage sign.
[19:06] <pwnguin> all this really tells you is whether the bottleneck is CPU or not
[19:07] <ChrisRut> gotcha, Thanks pwnguin
[19:09] <pwnguin> i think the manpage for time and the binary don't match
[19:10] <pwnguin> yea,
[19:10] <pwnguin> Users of the bash shell need to use an explicit path in order to run the external time command and not the shell builtin variant.\
[19:17] <chocamo> I am installing server edition  10.04 beta and I can get a dhcp address during the install, but after installation and reboot I cannot get an IP on either my wired or by hooking up a wireless device
[19:37] <MTecknology> How can I reset all permissions on a home directory to their default settings?
[19:41] <sherr> MTecknology: if you know the perms you want, you can use find/exec/chmod to change all file (f) perms, and dir (d) perms etc.
[19:42] <MTecknology> sherr: what should I use for files/dirs with chmod?
[19:51] <sherr> Something like : find . -type f -exec chmod 755 {} \;
[19:51] <sherr> man find (and test/take care)
[19:52] <MTecknology> 755/744 sound good enough?
[19:52] <sherr> oops - that example if for "d"
[19:52] <sherr> f -> 644
[19:52] <sherr> d -> 755 (maybe)
[19:52] <MTecknology> ok, thanks
[19:52] <sherr> Don;t know defaults
[19:53] <MTecknology> i don't either, 755/644 sounds great
[19:53] <MTecknology> alrighty - time to get cleaned up
[19:55] <guntbert> MTecknology: if you don't want anybody your files you might want to use rather 750 or 640 ..
[19:57] <MTecknology> guntbert: sherr: thanks
[20:00] <guntbert> MTecknology: you're good if you figured out my sentence ... :-)
[20:17] <MTecknology> guntbert: made perfect sense
[20:30] <ruben23> hi how do i remove startscript of an application on my ubunt-server
[20:34] <mealstrom> man update-rc.d
[20:34] <mealstrom> there is a remove section
[21:39] <ruben23> hi guys modprobe load an application right..? how about to remove..?
[21:40] <PcCowboy2005> Hi
[21:42] <guntbert> ruben23: it loads a module, you can unload it with sudo modprobe -r <modulename>
[21:42] <ruben23> FATAL: Module dahdi is in use.
[21:42] <ruben23> guntbert: thats the message
[21:43] <PcCowboy2005> hello. can you answer a most likey stupid/easy question for me?
[21:43] <guntbert> ruben23: of course - a module that is currently used cannot be unloaded - try to see what it is with lsmod | grep dahdi
[21:43] <guntbert> PcCowboy2005: not if we don't hear it :-)
[21:44] <PcCowboy2005> how would you set up a subdomain? (eg. forum.mysite.me goes to root/forum)
[21:44] <guntbert> PcCowboy2005: here I have to pass ... sorry
[21:45] <ruben23>  guntbert: its empty
[21:46] <guntbert> ruben23: please !pastebin the output of lsmod
[21:46] <guntbert> !pastebin | ruben23
[21:46] <PcCowboy2005> oh...ok lol maybe not so easy.  i know on a normal web host i just make a pointer.  but i'm thinking for running my own server from home and was wondering how to do it.
[21:47] <ruben23> http://pastebin.com/uqzkgWS7
[21:49] <guntbert> ruben23: strange - and you are certain that the modules name is dahdi ?
[21:51] <rohanroy> Hey all, I've setup a VPN on a remote server using PPTP and CHAP Authentication on an Ubuntu 8.04 Server. Here in California, I can connect to my VPN on my mac, and Windows XP machines. I'm trying to setup a virtual machine on my home server running Ubuntu 9.10 via VirtualBox, VM is running: Ubuntu 8.04 JeOS. I would like this virtual machine to have a persistent connection to the PPTP VPN. I've managed to set it up so it successfully joi
[21:51] <rohanroy> VPN, I can ping and traceroute properly to the VPN server and other clients on the remote LAN. However, I would like to have it so that ALL TRAFFIC is routed through the VPN tunnel. I'm following the information here: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/routing.phtml#automatic-setup However, I'm having difficulty getting it to work. Is there anyone here who can provide any help?
[21:53] <ruben23>  guntbert: thanks i thnk i have unloaded the dahdi startup script.
[21:53] <guntbert> ruben23: you're welcome :-)
[22:00] <rohanroy> Anyone know anything about routing all trafic through a VPN tunnell?
[22:00] <rohanroy> Everything I've found online describes how to do it with a gui, but I have no gui...
[22:05] <darkpixel> Anyone know what's up with nz.archive.ubuntu.com?  I'm getting 'no route to host' on about 5 boxes I manage, and timeouts on another 4.  They are spread out across multiple hosting providers and small business connections (Comcast, Qwest, Sprint/Embarq, etc...) around Washington and Oregon state.
[22:05] <darkpixel> (This has been going on all day)
[23:27] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland`, ping
[23:44] <rohanroy> Hey all, I've setup a VPN on a remote server using PPTP and CHAP Authentication on an Ubuntu 8.04 Server. Here in California, I can connect to my VPN on my mac, and Windows XP machines. I'm trying to setup a virtual machine on my home server running Ubuntu 9.10 via VirtualBox, VM is running: Ubuntu 8.04 JeOS. I would like this virtual machine to have a persistent connection to the PPTP VPN. I've managed to set it up so it successfully joi
[23:44] <rohanroy> VPN, I can ping and traceroute properly to the VPN server and other clients on the remote LAN. However, I would like to have it so that ALL TRAFFIC is routed through the VPN tunnel. I'm following the information here: http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/routing.phtml#automatic-setup However, I'm having difficulty getting it to work. Is there anyone here who can provide any help?


[15:53] <shirgall> ricotz: ping ;)
[15:54] <shirgall> Good morning.
[15:55] <ricotz> shirgall, i guess you want to complain about 331.49?
[15:55] <shirgall> ricotz: Not complain, but hoping there's a simple fix. 331.49 tries to apply the 3.13 kernel patch instead of 3.11 on Saucy.
[15:56] <ricotz> shirgall, wait a few minutes for the fix to be published
[15:57] <shirgall> ricotz: Cool, thanks. I had a hard time figuring out how to report it.
[16:00] <ricotz> shirgall, yeah, a common problem while using ppas ;), but IRC helps
[16:00] <shirgall> The PPA sends me to freedesktop.org, but I couldn't find a relevant category :/
[16:07] <ricotz> shirgall, you can also try to contact the uploader which is can find int the detailed package-view of the ppa
[16:08] <shirgall> ricotz: well, you weren't online at the time I noticed. :)
[16:09] <ricotz> shirgall, there is an email-based contact too ;)
[16:09] <shirgall> ricotz: True, I admit I looked at the changelog and pinged Alberto, which was going too far.
[16:10] <ricotz> i see
[16:11] <ricotz> tseliot, hi :), 331.49 and 304.119 are of course candidates for trusty, 334.16 is pretty unstable here
[16:12] <tseliot> ricotz: hi. I plan to introduce 331.49 soon. As for 334.x, I won't include it in 14.04 as it's a short lived release branch
[16:13] <ricotz> tseliot, good, yeah, and it seems to be 'really" a beta this time given the problems i noticed
[16:13] <ricotz> tseliot, still 334.16 is the first with full egl/gles support
[16:14] <tseliot> ricotz: right, for now we keep egl support disabled in the nvidia packages
[16:14] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: indeed ;D
[16:14] <ricotz> tseliot, right, since currently there is only 32bit which has changed with 334.x ;)
[16:15] <mlankhorst> 331.49 still doesn't work with 3.14 though
[16:15] <tseliot> oh, I haven't looked into 3.14 yet
[16:15] <ricotz> i am not running 3.14 yet, so i havent looked for fixes
[16:15] <ricotz> hehe
[16:16] <tseliot> we're not going to ship 3.14 though, are we?
[16:16] <ricotz> i dont think so
[16:18] <shirgall> ricotz: Thanks for the fix, all good now on Sauct
[16:18] <shirgall> Saucy
[17:14] <silenz> ey guys, i'm trying to learn more about ubuntu and linux as a whole, and i'm currently trying to wrap my head around x11 and an xindow system but i havent really seen a laymans explanation of how it works
[17:14] <silenz> could somebody explain an x window system like they would to a 10 year old? O_o
[17:17] <shirgall> silenz: Have you looked at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/XWindow-Overview-HOWTO/ ?
[17:18] <silenz> no I havent, I was reading a book on ubuntu. I will read the link instead, thanks!
[17:18] <shirgall> Admittedly, that's more than 10 years old itself.
[17:19] <silenz> well... according to this book x hasnt changed in like 25 years right
[17:20] <tseliot> silenz: this should help http://magcius.github.io/xplain/article/
[17:20] <silenz> cool thanks the more references the better
[17:21] <silenz> it seems like a pretty basic concept to understand about ubuntu and linux
[17:21] <silenz> so im trying to understand as much as possible. i thought the main thing in linux was the GUI which was either KDE or GNOME or now unity
[17:22] <silenz> but now i get that the underlying thing is actually the window system that makes the GUI
[17:22] <silenz> im going down the rabbit hole lol
[18:08] <jarkko> is 12.04 ubuntu get newer mesa packages?
[18:08] <jarkko> going to
[18:11] <Sarvatt> it'll get 14.04's graphics stack 3-4 months after 14.04 releases, but that'll be the end
[18:13] <jarkko> Sarvatt: was that answer for me?
[18:13] <Sarvatt> yep!
[18:14] <Sarvatt> its getting the 6 month releases backported to it but thats opt-in unless you install from point release media (like 12.04.4)
[18:15] <Sarvatt> need to install a package to switch, like xserver-xorg-lts-saucy
[18:15] <ricotz> mlankhorst, i am going push a patched 331.49 which builds on 3.14 to xedgers if you care


[07:24] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <manoj_> manojtmbhw
[12:40] <Sephiroth_> When is the QA with jono? i've forgotten.
[12:45] <akash> hellp
[12:46] <akash> hello........
[14:35] <hugh> juju what is it?
[14:42] <hugh> good afternoon everyone..
[14:43] <JoseeAntonioR> hello, hugh
[14:44] <hugh> What is this juju I keep hearing about?
[16:38] <chill3d> hi
[18:59] <Newton3010> test
[18:59] <ebmm01> hello
[18:59] <Newton3010> Hi
[18:59] <netcurli> yes, hello jono
[19:00] <zebaszp_> yes!
[19:00] <number22> yes
[19:00] <ebmm01> Ubuntu 13.04 is now available?
[19:00] <MrKrinkin> Hello
[19:00] <zee_> hello
[19:00] <BorgesEduardo> helo
[19:00] <BorgesEduardo> Ubuntu 13.04 is now available?
[19:00] <zebaszp> hey, Jono! what shall be today's meme!
[19:00] <medberry> must hit reload on page
[19:01] <CheeseBurg> Hey guys
[19:01] <UbuPhillup> hi
[19:01] <zebaszp> awesome duck!
[19:01] <BorgesEduardo> UBUNTU 13??
[19:01] <zebaszp> how much flavour today?
[19:01] <medberry> quackers!
[19:02] <janthomas> hhahaha that's awesome
[19:02] <CheeseBurg> Ubuntuonair.com needs a redesign
[19:02] <sebsebseb> nearly forgot about this, but did get to see something about  some duck or whatever
[19:02] <BorgesEduardo> you like Ubuntu??/ heueahueahua
[19:04] <dshimer_> QUESTION: After watching Mark at OpenStack summit it gave me pause to think about how far Ubuntu goes beyond a desktop project. Can you talk a little about that subject, or the breadth of Ubuntu usage beyond desktop?
[19:04] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: What advantage does Ubuntu give me for getting into computer programming over other operating systems?
[19:04] <ubuntu_aze> QUESTION Will ubuntu 13.04 support mobile? Not Developer preview, just as beta system
[19:04] <doogle> QUESTION: Do you believe ubuntu in the future will make an alternative to exchange email server?
[19:04] <UbuPhillup> Question: Any thing new a about translation for ubuntu.com
[19:05] <Markcortbass> Will Ubuntu 14.04 have Unity in QT language, and have MIR?
[19:05] <nozzmAN> hi all
[19:05] <sebsebseb> Blender :d
[19:05] <zebaszp> QUESTION: how's Mir doing? when will it be ready to use on ubuntu+1 (aka, for Ubuntu S beta testing)?
[19:05] <Sephiroth_> BLENDER! WOH!
[19:05] <med_> Does it blend?
[19:05] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: Are there any plans on adding new features to support touch on the desktop?
[19:05] <zebaszp> *will it blend?
[19:05] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Do you have 3D Modelling skilly?
[19:05] <UbuPhillup> i like blender
[19:06] <K_Royther> How much of Ubuntu Touch will be in the desktop version?
[19:06] <sebsebseb> QUESTION:  10 years or so for the blender t-shirt ok, well that gave me an idea for this question,  when was you first ever geek t-shirt and what is it?
[19:06] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will ubuntuonair.com get a redesign. The "next show banner" doesn't change until 15 minutes before the next show and that doesn't help much
[19:06] <BorgesEduardo>  PortuguêsInglêsFrancês how do you think will be the ubuntu 15?
[19:07] <K_Royther> How will desktop touchscreen work on Unity Next?
[19:08] <BorgesEduardo> how do you think will be the ubuntu 15?
[19:08] <K_Royther> Which Ubuntu Touch apps will be translated to the desktop (like Gallery)?
[19:08] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:08] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:08] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:08] <K_Royther> Which Ubuntu Touch apps will be translated to the desktop (like Gallery)?
[19:09] <IdleOne> !patience
[19:09] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:09] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:09] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:09] <IdleOne> he will answer questions one at a time, asking multiple times will not make him answer any faster
[19:09] <victor89> I'm working thru book PHP and MYSQL. I have an issue with $SCRIPT_NAME.  Not working.
[19:09] <K_Royther> And how will you treat community approach with this? Like tossing default apps in favor of the new ones
[19:09] <BorgesEduardo> The Ubuntu Mobile will be hybrid?
[19:10] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:10] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:10] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:10] <qwertyuioppo>
[19:10] <netcurli> please prefix your questions with QUESTION:
[19:10] <zebaszp> victor89, for support, try other IRC channels or the forums
[19:10] <qwertyuioppo>  QUESTION:
[19:10] <BorgesEduardo> I'm from Brazil. Say hello to Brazilians user. PLEASE
[19:10] <qwertyuioppo>  QUESTION: _
[19:11] <benkkei> my only question is: "Why Ubuntu is not more like Gentoo"
[19:11] <K_Royther> BorgesEuardo: Me either
[19:11] <matusko1969> Very good mobile phone!
[19:11] <zebaszp> qwertyuioppo, your IRC client ins't working properly...
[19:12] <UbuPhillup_> launchpad
[19:12] <K_Royther> Do you plan on integrating Launchpad into the Software Center? It would be great
[19:12] <ahmeds> hi
[19:12] <ureloaded> QUESTION will u play a bit with your electric guitar by the end of the stream? =P I love the way u play
[19:12] <misko2006> how much time do you have ubuntu OS
[19:12] <ghotler> QUESTION: What about with developers and workers who work everyday on Ubuntu? I mean  Web-developers, Android developers and others. Do you plan a workstation distribution or more supports for them?
[19:13] <UbuPhillup_> K_Royther: please QUESTION
[19:13] <ahmeds> QUESTION I think Ubuntu software center is kind of poor, Do you have a plan to develop it? Thank you :)
[19:13] <matusko1969> Is Ubuntu 13.04 good for netbook? Need I antivirus for Linux?
[19:13] <Farkas-hungary> can i ASK here ?
[19:13] <Farkas-hungary> (HI ALL!)
[19:13] <zebaszp> no need for antivirus, matusko1969 :P
[19:13] <udit> Questions: drivers for ubuntu is sometimes a huge problem
[19:13] <BorgesEduardo> Ubuntu devices will be accessible?
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <qwertyuioppo_>
[19:13] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: App Centers are very important for operating systems both mobile and desktop. The Ubuntu Software Center is not the success it could be. I have many ideas on what needs to be done for the Software Center so where do I go to talk to developers about this. It is hard to find specific projects to help within Ubuntu.
[19:13] <UbuPhillup_> Farkas-hungary: yes with QUESTION
[19:13] <K_Royther> QUESTION: Do you plan on integrating Launchpad into Software Centre?
[19:13] <zebaszp> qwertyuioppo_, your messages are blank, try reloading the IRC
[19:13] <Farkas-hungary> How i can INSTALL UBI on my Xperia NEO phone ?
[19:14] <BorgesEduardo> Ubuntu devices will be accessible?
[19:14] <IdleOne> Fuchs: qwertyuioppo as well
[19:14] <Farkas-hungary> Can i ASK how many monitorz R U using ?
[19:14] <Rajvi> Gretings from New Delhi: Can we except Android Apps cann be easily ported to Ubuntu Touch?
[19:14] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: Alienware have announced that they will be shipping Ubuntu Gaming PCs (only in the US as far as I'm aware), what is your opinion on this?
[19:14] <K_Royther> QUESTION: Will all phones/tablets receive the updates at the same time like the desktop?
[19:15] <Osman> Will ubuntu support TRIM for ssd on next ubuntu versions? or does ubuntu support TRIM for now?
[19:15] <Farkas-hungary> ( my question posted! )
[19:15] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: Any plans on a new sound theme?
[19:15] <UbuPhillup_> Farkas-hungary: with QUESTION ?
[19:15] <Farkas-hungary> read upside
[19:16] <Farkas-hungary> i have 3 questionz
[19:16] <Farkas-hungary> How i can INSTALL UBI on my Xperia NEO phone ?
[19:16] <Farkas-hungary> Can i ASK how many monitorz R U using ?
[19:16] <zebaszp> I have to go, but trust me, I'll watch this video and create a monstrosity like last time, jono :P
[19:16] <Sephiroth_> QUESTION: When will we be able to download and install Ubuntu Touch on our Nexus devices?
[19:16] <dshimer_> QUESTION: Will Mir require low level driver support from hardware manufacturers, do open drivers need re-writing, or do drivers "just work" without regard to display server?
[19:16] <Farkas-hungary> and TIME spend with UBI, and family (Time spend)
[19:16] <zebaszp> Farkas-hungary, add QUESTION: before the question
[19:16] <IdleOne> Sephiroth_: you can now see #ubuntu-touch
[19:16] <h2ck> UBUNTU PHONE WILL BE STANDALONE IN THE PHONE OR IT WILL SHARE WITH ANDROID
[19:17] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What can we expect for Ubuntu 13.10 release for new features or will Ubuntu Touch be the main focus
[19:17] <Farkas-hungary> QUESTION: How i can INSTALL UBI on my Xperia NEO phone ?
[19:17] <K_Royther> QUESTION: Will Mir support obscure hardware, like Wacom pen tablets and older hardware?
[19:17] <Farkas-hungary> QUESTION: Can i ASK how many monitorz R U using ?
[19:17] <zebaszp> also, the Xperia question is something more about support, which isn't the point of the Q&A
[19:17] <Sephiroth_> IdleOne: what do you mean?
[19:17] <IdleOne> Farkas-hungary: no need to repeat your question. He will see it
[19:17] <IdleOne> Sephiroth_: there are links in #ubuntu-touch topic
[19:18] <Sephiroth_> IdleOne: aha! Thanks :)
[19:18] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: How is Jack doing?
[19:19] <matusko1969> Is Ubuntu good for netbook? Need I antivirus for Ubuntu?
[19:19] <ZL> QUESTION: Is amd ati mobility radeon hd 4650 laptops got high heat ?
[19:19] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: When and where was your first opensource/freesoftware event?
[19:19] <Guest6507> QUESTION: Do you know what percentage goes to Ubuntu for buying music on Ubuntu One?
[19:19] <Farkas-hungary> I am using intel i7, and ati 6990. WORKS FINE !!
[19:20] <mrprivacy> How will ubuntu protect my privacy on the ubuntu touch?
[19:20] <stlx> hello
[19:20] <stlx> i am from Amsterdam
[19:20] <stlx> just tuned in
[19:20] <stlx> :)
[19:20] <sebsebseb> stlx: hello  I am from England
[19:21] <UbuPhillup> stlx: hi im from germany ;)
[19:21] <preston> What are you drinking??
[19:21] <stlx> beer
[19:21] <iom> it seems the flurry of messages just stopped
[19:21] <stlx> ok cool
[19:21] <Farkas-hungary> WATER (without fluoride)
[19:21] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: What are the possibilities of allowing for community based translation efforts for the Ubuntu website? Similar to how Valve do the translation for Steam?
[19:21] <stlx> about which linux distro is this ?
[19:21] <Markcortbass> Will be there a graphic environment to manage webapps in Ubuntu? It's confusing using the UbuntuSoftwareCenter
[19:22] <mrprivacy> QUESTION: How will ubuntu protect my privacy on the ubuntu touch?
[19:22] <UbuPhillup> stlx: ubuntu, ask with QUESTION:
[19:22] <stlx> OK
[19:22] <K_Royther> QUESTION: How much of Ubuntu Touch interface and default apps will be in the Ubuntu Desktop? And when?
[19:22] <preston> QUESTION: What are you drinking?
[19:22] <IdleOne> stlx: everything Ubuntu or Open Source related.
[19:22] <Sundman> how much do you earn (money) working at Ubuntu?
[19:22] <stlx> QUESTION: Is this about Ubuntu Server or Ubuntu Desktop
[19:22] <IdleOne> stlx: You can also ask him "personal" questions if you like but keep it civil :)
[19:23] <stlx> i would like to stay anonymous
[19:23] <FlyingPig> QUESTION: Why does Nautilus in 13.04 not use the overall system theme? it looks really ugly with the white toolbar
[19:23] <h2ck> BYE GUYS
[19:24] <Farkas-hungary> UBI - UBUNTU :D
[19:24] <Farkas-hungary> LOOOOL M:DDDDDDD
[19:24] <med_> Ubuntu Developer Summit (virtual--join from anywhere):  http://uds.ubuntu.com/
[19:24] <med_> 14-16 May
[19:24] <Farkas-hungary> in hungary EVERYONE is using UBI word :D
[19:25] <K_Royther> QUESTION: When will Ubuntu integrate new GTK3 apps with Light Themes better (toolbars are white and they shouldn't be)?
[19:25] <Farkas-hungary> QUESTION: How i can INSTALL UBUntu (Called UBI in hungary) on my Xperia NEO phone ?
[19:25] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Ubuntu and the overall Linux community are sometimes at odds. Have you considered doing an event where Ubuntu developer work on non-Ubuntu software for like a weekend or a week like what Fedora and OpenSUSE does? Of course once most of the Unity Next/Mir stuff is done, freeing up more resources.
[19:25] <Rajvi> Q: Do you think Online Dash Search - Turned Off in 13.04. Is it a good idea?
[19:25] <IdleOne> Farkas-hungary: people in #ubuntu-touch can probably help
[19:25] <Farkas-hungary> okay, maybe i am check :)
[19:26] <ahayzen> QUESTION: What is your favourite new feature for 13.04 and what feature would you have liked to have seen in 13.04?
[19:26] <IdleOne> TMI!
[19:26] <med_> warm and frothy... re-spew
[19:26] <DS_> Are there any more hardware companies becoming more interested in Ubuntu because of the crash and bur of Windows 8?  Alienware for example.
[19:27] <DS_> burn*
[19:27] <rg4w_> QUESTION: Can you promise to never ever tell another story like the one about Jack vomiting in your mouth? :)
[19:27] <med_> waaay tmi
[19:27] <Syreethus> hah
[19:27] <K_Royther> QUESTION: When will we start to receive Unity Next features on desktop? (at least tiny bits of it)
[19:27] <DS_> QUESTION: Are there any more hardware companies becoming more interested in Ubuntu because of the crash and burn of Windows 8?  Alienware for example.
[19:28] <Hrd2Plz> QUESTION:Are there plans to polish up the panel and menus or are they going to be phased into the Dash ?
[19:29] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: If you could have one game ported to Linux, what would it be and why?
[19:29] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: If you could have one Windows program ported to Linux that isn't a game, what would it be and why?
[19:30] <sebsebseb> MrKrinkin_: yep to go with yours :d
[19:30] <rg4w_> QUESTION:  Any talk of using remote usability methods to allow the community to help Canonical's user experience team by providing more testing?
[19:30] <Markcortbass> Will be there a graphic environment to manage webapps in Ubuntu? Instead of using the USC
[19:30] <Steam4Linux> Any idea on how the release schedule for touch will be formatted?
[19:30] <suktan> can you suggest a good book or any other resource for learning linux.
[19:30] <number22> QUESTION: did we broke record of most question asked in half hour
[19:30] <Rajvi> Can we except Android Apps can be easily ported to Ubuntu Touch?
[19:30] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will we see another software contest? Last time saw a boost app developers for the Software Center.
[19:31] <ghotler> QUESTION: I try to explain, what workstation edition mean, so focusing and integration some tools for teamwork, sharing events on calanders, integrate task manager from cloud, as if mantis is in the cloud and you can share and request tasks list, edit it and etc.
[19:32] <Steam4Linux> QUESTION: Any idea on how the release schedule for touch will be formatted?
[19:32] <DrCake> Are there any plans to redesign the software center?
[19:34] <koder> Question is raring still being released tomm from the looks at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/ looks like they have alot of stuff todo
[19:35] <Lagos_> QUESTION: What happened to the origami inspired desktop theme and full overhaul of all of the icons?
[19:36] <K_Royther> QUESTION: What will we see in Ubuntu 13.10 (apart from the features postponed from 13.04)? Or what do you think we'll see?
[19:37] <stlx> QUESTION: Is this about Ubuntu Server or Ubuntu Desktop
[19:37] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: What is your fallback distro or operating system?
[19:37] <vickii> when the ubuntu is going to launch its phone in India
[19:38] <ka9qlq> how soon before speech recognition is implemented?
[19:38] <K_Royther> QUESTION:  Where are the windicators?
[19:38] <ahoneybun_> how many default applications for Ubuntu Touch be released in Oct?
[19:39] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Why are Ubuntu releases usually always on a Thursday?
[19:39] <suktan> can you suggest a good book or any other resource for learning linux.
[19:39] <ka9qlq> how soon before speech recognition is implemented?
[19:39] <ahayzen> QUESTION: Would you and the Ubuntu-UK-Podcast be able to collaborate so that you don't conflict every two weeks (eg you are both live at the moment)
[19:39] <Markcortbass> QUESTION: Will be there a graphic environment to manage webapps in Ubuntu? Instead of the USC
[19:40] <med_> Thursday releases allow last minute CYA on Fridays.
[19:40] <K_Royther> QUESTION: Will you have a flagship phone/tablet? One that will receive the updates earlier and things like these?
[19:40] <ahoneybun_> any idea if there will be a terminal app for ubuntu touch?
[19:40] <caio-hess> QUESTION: How can I support Ubuntu?
[19:40] <ka9qlq> how soon before speech recognition is implemented?
[19:40] <suktan> can you suggest a good book or any other resource for learning linux.
[19:41] <ahoneybun_> QUESTION: Will there be a terminal application for Ubuntu Touch?
[19:41] <heygeorge> i hope steam 's develop better , only reason to use windows , game and photoshop
[19:41] <med_> QUESTION: <ka9qlq> how soon before speech recognition is implemented?
[19:41] <K_Royther> QUESTION: Is there any default application/package that will be replaced in Ubuntu 13.10 (I hope for Plymouth, maybe that bug with NVIDIA drivers will be gone if that happens)
[19:41] <K_Royther> ?
[19:42] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: With the Unity3D Engine and Game Maker Engine allowing for exporting to Ubuntu, is there work (or desire) from Canonical to bring the corresponding editors to Ubuntu too. Right now both programs require Windows or Mac to MAKE the game.
[19:42] <Sephiroth_> QUESTION: How did it go with the beltbuckle?
[19:42] <suktan> can you suggest a good book or any other resource for learning linux.
[19:42] <ahoneybun_> suktan: The Offical Ubuntu Book is good for installing Ubuntu, there is also a Debian Book
[19:42] <ka9qlq> Yeahhhhhhhhh
[19:42] <Rajvi> Why isn't VLC included as a default video app?
[19:42] <jimjimovich_> I hope 13.04 will work with new Intel video cards! Been nothing but a crash fest since 12.04. Very disappointing!
[19:42] <FMGrungekid> QUESTION: How do you think the just announced Maiden album will turn out? :)
[19:42] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: What is the hardware specifications of your computer?
[19:42] <ahoneybun_> suktan: do this "Question: blah"
[19:42] <med_> QUESTION: Boxers, briefs, or commando?  (j/k) Thanks jono, have to drop.
[19:42] <DrCake> How many users does Ubuntu have?
[19:42] <number22> QUESTION: any LED Belt ideas?
[19:42] <K_Royther> QUESTION: I plan to work at Canonical when I finish university, what do I need to know to reach there?
[19:42] <IdleOne> QUESTION: I noticed you said Z zee and then corrected to Zed. Do you find yourself changing your pronunciation of words more often now that you live in the US?
[19:42] <DrCake> QUESTION: How many users does Ubuntu have?
[19:43] <tonyr2k8> QUESTION: Can you share a g+ circle of who from canonical would be interesting to follow
[19:43] <matze> How many downloads does Ubuntu have?
[19:43] <Guest6507> Question: Is Unbuntu One going to change it's look or interface in the coming year?
[19:43] <stlx> QUESTION: is Ubuntu Server better than Debian server?
[19:43] <DS_> QUESTION: Will 13.10 and 14.04 continue to use plymouth even though Ubuntu are introducing MIR? Even since I have kept up to date with latest NVidIA drivers Plymouth has been nothing but a broken record.
[19:43] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Can you teach me guitar?
[19:43] <Sundman> how much do one earn working at ubuntu?
[19:44] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: What are you going to do for the 13.04 release?
[19:44] <lolman> QUESTION: What socks are you wearing?
[19:44] <pawiecki> QUESTION: Will Canonical start to contribute more code back to upstream projects?
[19:45] <suktan> QUESTION: what is the software ubuntu uses for virtual machines?
[19:45] <ghotler> QUESTION: Is there any plan that compiz can be turn off completly in the future?  (It makes a lot of crash)
[19:45] <DrCake> QUESTION: How many users does Ubuntu have?
[19:45] <martinsson> will  unity get the "drop 3d acceleration for the desktop" checkbox as seen in KDE ? game mode ?
[19:46] <Markcortbass> QUESTION: With manage webapps I mean that you have a list of example Gmail, Facebook etc. It will be great to see a intergration in 'online accounts'. And that you can turn them on and off.
[19:47] <K_Royther> QUESTION:  Where is customization in Unity? It's not that chainless yet...
[19:47] <Sundman> What do you think about Finland? ever been there?
[19:47] <CheeseBurg> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu have another app contest?
[19:47] <pawiecki> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu specific services like Ubuntu One be available for other distros?
[19:47] <ahoneybun_> CheeseBurg: yes there will be]
[19:47] <CheeseBurg> ahoneybun_: ok, wasn't sure he answered it
[19:47] <K_Royther> QUESTION:  Can I post ideas using "IDEA:" here?
[19:47] <Rajvi> Are my questions avoided?
[19:47] <ahoneybun_> CheeseBurg: he did :)
[19:48] <Rajvi> Huh, why
[19:48] <robert___> how is the best way to learn C in free time?
[19:48] <ahoneybun_> Rajvi: do you but "Quesion"
[19:48] <MrBernie> What can be done to speed up Ubuntu Touch development? I feel that time to market is too long at the moment...
[19:49] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: Are you a fan of DragonForce?
[19:49] <Sephiroth_> I saw Ghost when they played before InFlames a few years ago. They are really good.
[19:49] <rg4w_> rg4w: QUESTION: Do you believe Adrian Belew is overdue for the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame?
[19:49] <IdleOne> QUESTION: <Rajvi> Q: Do you think Online Dash Search - Turned Off in 13.04. Is it a good idea?
[19:49] <Rajvi> QUESTION:  Can we except Android Apps cann be easily ported to Ubuntu Touch?
[19:49] <goofyFoot> QUESTION: Is there a preferred programming language for Ubuntu Apps?  The site seems to list a lengthy list of languages.
[19:49] <stlx> QUESTION: what is your top 5 security tools to keep hackers away from your linux system?
[19:49] <FMGrungekid> QUESTION: Twiglets or Quavers?
[19:50] <irv_> I use Ubuntu Studio for my sound system with Audacity for recording. Was wondering what you use?
[19:50] <DS_> QUESTION: Have you seen a performance difference with Ubuntu running on MIR ?
[19:51] <suktan> what is there orange colored on the right side of you?
[19:51] <Rajvi> Stick with global english!
[19:51] <Fuchs> QUESTION: is there a more up to date official status / statement of nvidia on supporting MIR?   (Aside from: we are discussing with them)
[19:52] <Sephiroth_> QUESTION: Do you like InFlames? I've heard they are releasing a new album soon.
[19:52] <DS_> In the UK you can :)
[19:52] <K_Royther> QUESTION: What will happen when the animal names reach Z?
[19:52] <Fuchs> ...
[19:52] <IdleOne> Pronounced Fox
[19:52] <Lagos_> QUESTION: Do you feel that the new Ubuntu SDK is going to vastly improve the quality of community produced apps?
[19:53] <Fuchs> yes, pronounced Fox or  books but with an f :(   he hates me :(
[19:53] <Markcortbass> QUESTION: I'm sorry for the confusion;) instance, when I was tripping twitter in 'online accounts', the webapp is still active in firefox, and seen in the launcher
[19:53] <Ba7a7chy> QUESTION: Opeth ?
[19:53] <number22> QUESTION: favourite power metal bands?
[19:53] <crzy> QUESTION: ahah do you like morbid angel
[19:53] <ghotler> QUESTION: Will ubuntu-one-server application available on ubuntu or debian servers, to build own one?
[19:53] <sebsebseb> Ba7a7chy: that's not really question, but Opeth is awesome and seen them Live before :)
[19:54] <stlx> QUESTION: what is your favorite Windows Manager ? also, since I am from AMsterdam, can I offer some bags of weed?
[19:54] <goofyFoot> QUESTION: Are you familiar with the music from Frank Turner?
[19:54] <number22> no blind guardian?
[19:54] <robert___> QUESTION: how is the best way to learn C?
[19:54] <K_Royther> QUESTION:  What Ubuntu will be like in touchscreen laptops/desktops? ( I asked that without the question tag so I don't remember if you answered that)
[19:55] <lolman> QUESTION: Justin Bieber or Iron Maiden?
[19:55] <CheeseBurg> robert___: Buy an O' Reilly book on it and start coding
[19:55] <IdleOne> stlx: he is in California, he can get it.
[19:55] <crzy> 10 more dead is the best of the new album dude
[19:55] <matt____> m
[19:56] <suktan> QUESTION: What is make of your t-shirt?
[19:56] <irv_> I use Ubuntu Studio for my sound system with Audacity for recording. Was wondering what you use?
[19:56] <K_Royther> QUESTION: What is the plan on community approach? Like having to replace community driven projects (like Rhythmbox and other separated apps) and having to deal with people anger and such things I've seen in blog comments?
[19:56] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: Lightworks video editor is being ported to Linux. Would you consider switching to this to replace Vegas Pro (as I think you said you used earlier on in the session)
[19:56] <ahoneybun_> irv_: use the "Question"
[19:56] <sebsebseb> QUESTION: Guitar time ?
[19:56] <CheeseBurg> later guys, got a meeting
[19:57] <ahoneybun_> CheeseBurg: see you
[19:57] <Rajvi> QUESTION: Does Ubuntu Touch have root priviledges as default?
[19:57] <VB> Do you think that Gnome is heading the right way?
[19:57] <ahoneybun_> Rajvi: I would think not
[19:57] <Ba7a7chy> MariaDB v.s MySQL ?
[19:58] <K_Royther> QUESTION: Why is there a minimum price tag in Ubuntu Software Centre? (sorry for the big question earlier)
[19:58] <MrKrinkin_> QUESTION: Are you familiar with Rhapsody of Fire?
[19:58] <DS_> Question: Is there any other distro that you haven seen that has features or certain aspects that you would love to see in Unity but its own spin on it? I.E Gnomes Lockscreen
[19:58] <stlx> QUESTION: OK I will not put my address on the back of the bag of weed. Thanks for the advice. Nonetheless I have the following question: is it possible to run VMWARE on ubuntu and then run both server and desktop ?
[19:59] <FlyingPig> stlx: yes
[19:59] <Ba7a7chy> QUESTION: Will Ubuntu-Phone is going to have a root option ?
[19:59] <crzy> extreme noise terror
[19:59] <crzy> loud an clear
[19:59] <K_Royther> Bit low
[19:59] <sebsebseb> sounds good
[19:59] <crzy> yah
[19:59] <VB> good
[19:59] <IdleOne> little low
[19:59] <koder> good
[19:59] <suktan> good
[19:59] <K_Royther> Do a solo
[19:59] <Rajvi> This is a distro from India, from a very remote corner. We guys are working very hard SUPERXOS
[19:59] <crzy> b ?
[19:59] <IdleOne> Show off some of your blues skills
[20:00] <crzy> nice picking
[20:00] <Markcortbass> I'm a bassplayer. Battle? ;)
[20:00] <stlx> yo bla
[20:00] <zebaszp> lol, I came back right for the guitar :P
[20:00] <sebsebseb> s bit low yeah, but good still
[20:00] <stlx> sup?
[20:01] <sebsebseb> a
[20:01] <MrKrinkin_> Can you play Eruption by Van Halen
[20:01] <Rajvi> its good
[20:01] <crzy> turn the flanger off
[20:01] <crzy> lol
[20:02] <zebaszp> you're making my speakers go wub a lot .:P
[20:02] <zebaszp> *:P
[20:02] <crzy> rulez
[20:02] <IdleOne> Thank you.
[20:02] <ghotler> Thank you.
[20:02] <Fuchs> jono: thank you, but you are mean :(
[20:02] <Sephiroth_> Thank YOU jono for the QA!
[20:03] <pawiecki> Thanks! Nice skill at guitar :)
[20:03] <zebaszp> oh wow, lots of meetings
[20:03]  * IndiaIsGoodYES likes.
[20:03] <MrKrinkin_> First time I've watched a QA. Very interesting and entertaining. Thanks Jono.
[20:03] <number22> have a great day everybody
[20:03] <zebaszp> we love you, jono! :D
[20:03] <IndiaIsGoodYES> baiii
[20:03] <Sephiroth_> Bye!
[20:03] <crzy> :O
[20:03] <MrKrinkin_> See you guys later
[20:03] <crzy> wtf ?
[20:03] <ahayzen> Thanks Jono :)
[20:04] <jono> thanks everyone!
[20:04] <crzy> yo
[20:04] <Syreethus> thanks, Jono
[20:04] <caio-hess> That was just great!
[20:04] <Rajvi> I am not a happy camper!
[20:04] <Rajvi> My questions are blantly ignored
[20:04] <caio-hess> Thanks, Jono!
, don't be so self-centered!
[20:05] <IdleOne> Rajvi: he answered two of your questions
[20:05] <crzy> ahah
[20:05] <crzy> jono faping sound
[20:05] <crzy> lool
[20:05] <crzy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6s5Z8L57Y
[20:05] <crzy> sya peeps
[20:05] <IdleOne> but you are right, he should have devoted at least an hour to you.
[20:06] <Rajvi> I hav t replay !
[20:06] <Rajvi> Cya Guys
[20:37] <celso> jono already left?
[20:37] <celso> am i too late?
[20:57] <MikeOttawa> yes
[21:01] <celso> damn...
[21:06] <celso> Hey Jono Bacon! good to see you doing another ubuntu-on-air! You need to do-it more times!!
[21:12] <jono> thanks celso!
[21:13] <celso> its good to see you explaining these questions to us! most of us don't know most of things about ubuntu and i am glad that there is sommeone like you to explain to us.
[21:14] <celso> keep it up!
[21:14] <celso> :D
[21:27] <gooch> good
[22:17] <harraken> hi
[23:17] <skysurf> hi


[16:40] <charlie-tca> no on screen keyboard for oneiric?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/739812
[16:40] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 739812 in unity "Must use hardware keyboard to perform search for applications in Unity" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:40] <charlie-tca> see last comments
[16:40] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: I think the on screen keyboard is there, it's the part about having it work with the Dash that won't be there?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> Maybe, but doesn't that say "to hell with a11y, what works, works, and the rest is too bad"?
[16:42] <Pendulum> is this anything new?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> We only been pushing this very thing since they announced unity back in natty UDS
[16:42] <maco> accessibilty always gets the backburner to shiny
[16:42] <charlie-tca> Yeah, back to "Accessibility is very important, as long as it doesn't get in the way again"
[16:43] <charlie-tca> Oh, yeah. I forgot. I won't complain about that no more. I promised.
[16:44] <AlanBell> on the plus side it does work in unity 2d
[16:44] <AlanBell> and I have been asking about it in #ayatana
[16:45] <AlanBell> 17:23 < DBO> AlanBell, it's actively being worked on, I have done the part I could do (make it so that the dash doesn't grab mouse/keyboard)
[16:45] <AlanBell> 17:24 < DBO> IM support in dash is up to the dash guys now (they have some test work done)
[16:47] <AlanBell> and this is a problem shared by everyone who wants to use Ubuntu on a tablet
[16:47]  * AlanBell likes sharing problems
[16:53] <charlie-tca> According to the blueprints, we aren't even defaulting to 2d?
[16:53] <AlanBell> probably not, no
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Doesn't that kind of kill accessible installations?
[16:54] <AlanBell> the 3d one should be accessible to orca now (there is loads of code for it)
[16:54] <charlie-tca> since 3d doesn't work with orca
[16:54] <AlanBell> have you tried it?
[16:54] <charlie-tca> No, I just been looking at the ML
[16:55] <charlie-tca> I will be trying it this weekend, so we know whether or not to include it in the ISO testing
[16:55] <AlanBell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/trunk/files/head:/services/
[16:55] <AlanBell> loadsa ATK code stuff
[16:56] <AlanBell> I am not testing that right now, but I saw all that code earlier, if it doesn't work it should do
[16:57] <AlanBell> not sure if unity 2d will be accessible to orca (I suspect not)
[16:57] <charlie-tca> yeah, that was the goal this cycle, though
[16:57] <AlanBell> the plan was always to go for a fully accessible 3d before dropping the classic option
[16:58] <AlanBell> unity2d accessibility was more likely to be next cycle with the QML stuff upstream done this cycle
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Then I must have misunderstand this blueprint - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-dx-o-unity-a11y
[17:07] <maco> charlie-tca: jsut pretend you see the word "POSTPONED" at the end of each line :)
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Apparently from the day after UDS?
[17:15] <AlanBell> "Hard target: Unity must have accessibility in Oneiric"
[17:15] <AlanBell> I think that refers to Unity 3d
[17:15] <AlanBell> there is a work item for setting unity-2d to be the default, but that might not be a good idea
[17:17] <charlie-tca> all the items were for 2d, because we would not be able to make orca work correctly in 3d
[17:17] <AlanBell> why not?
[17:17] <charlie-tca> gnome3 and gtk3
[17:18] <AlanBell> which should be fine
[17:18] <AlanBell> it was the Qt stuff that was the major toolkit problem
[17:19] <AlanBell> anyhow, it needs testing
[17:19] <charlie-tca> yes it does
[17:19] <charlie-tca> but the original blueprint really does say 2d, not 3d
[17:52] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: I made a dummy speech dispatcher module the other day which doesn't speak out loud, but logs a transcript of everything it would say
[17:53] <AlanBell> so you can have a terminal window open with tail -f speech.out to see it scroll past if you want to test stuff with orca silently, or if you want a transcript of the session for structured testing purposes
[18:07] <charlie-tca> I don't honestly know yet how to set up automatic tests
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Will be working on them, since we can now automate any tests I can figure out
[18:11] <charlie-tca> I will be wanting that, when I get tests automated
[21:04] <valorie> are y'all talking with fregl about qt a11y?
[21:04] <valorie> because he's a genius, and very committed, and working really hard
[21:05] <valorie> he lives in #kde-accessability
[21:06] <valorie> he and Harald / apachelogger can accomplish miracles, if asked
[21:07] <valorie> and by y'all, I mean Pendulum, AlanBell and charlie-tca, since you are the movers and shakers
[21:09] <maco> valorie: thats for unity 2d, which is pretty dandy at this point
[21:09] <maco> valorie: trouble is unity 3d still cant work with onscreen keyboards and is supposed to be default
[21:09] <valorie> right, I read up
[21:09] <valorie> " it was the Qt stuff that was the major toolkit problem"
[21:09] <maco> fregl's in the channel,ya know :P
[21:10] <valorie> was what I was responding to
[21:10] <maco> yes, "was"...past tense :)
[21:10] <valorie> heh
[21:10] <valorie> oh well, he gets a compliment then
[21:10] <valorie> :-)
[21:10] <valorie> are you ready for the storm, maco?
[21:11] <maco> i have lots of wool to spin if the power goes out
[21:11] <maco> so....yes?
[21:11] <valorie> well, water to drink, food to eat
[21:12] <valorie> candles, board games
[21:12] <valorie> :-)
[21:12] <maco> who needs board games? i have wool and a spindle!
[21:12] <maco> but yeah i have candles. was camping recently ;)
[21:12] <valorie> you have the skillz, for sure
[21:12] <maco> and food...im one of those people who keeps lots of beans around
[21:13] <maco> i dont really expect much disruption beyond maybe a day or two of lost power
[21:13] <maco> if that happens...go to boyfriend's apartment. that building's got a giant diesel generator that can go at least a day
[21:13] <valorie> cool
[21:13] <maco> if the power's out at my place, i can still cook *real* food, just no microwave burritos :P
[21:14] <valorie> lol
[21:14] <valorie> we're set up, out here, since occasionally it's out for up to 6 days
[21:14] <valorie> that was the longest
[21:17] <AlanBell> maco: so unity2d should work with orca now?
[21:19] <maco> AlanBell: idk about orca. i know i was able to use some kde apps with kde's screenreader. fregl'd know about the state of the gnome<->kde accessibility communications stuff
[21:20] <maco> anything qt *should* work with kde's screenreader i think though


[06:46] <dpm> good morning
[07:18] <kelemengabor> morning dpm
[07:18] <kelemengabor> now have time for bug #1019441 ?
[07:18] <kelemengabor> we start to run out of it anyways...
[07:26] <dpm> kelemengabor, will see if I can find time for it later on today, thanks for the reminder
[15:28] <trijntje> does anybody here have experience with merging .ts files?


[09:06] <IOhannes> sarnold: works nicely. hooray.
[09:07] <IOhannes> how long does it typically take for built packages to be published
[09:07] <IOhannes> ?
[09:09] <jugmac00> IOhannes: I am not entirely sure, but I think this depends on the current workload and vary quite a bit. Sorry, can't give you a better answer.
[09:11] <IOhannes> i see, thanks. in Debian there's a periodic cronjob that does this (every 4 hours)
[09:11] <IOhannes> !dinstall
[10:16] <cjwatson> IOhannes: The publisher runs basically continuously (technically a cron job that runs every minute with a lock so that only one copy of it runs at once), but it goes round all PPAs with changes serially, so the effective delay is indeed load-dependent.  Typically the cycle is approximately 15 minutes.
[11:06] <IOhannes> thx
[11:55] <IOhannes> something else: the PPA seems to automatically purge older releases after successfully adding a new one. is it possible to keep older releases around?
[11:56] <IOhannes> personally i totally understand why you would only want the latest and greatest. but the third reaction to my ppa-announcement included a question on how to get older releases via the ppa :-(
[12:07] <cjwatson> IOhannes: No, PPAs don't support that (though you can copy things to a different PPA, which can work in some limited cases)
[12:07] <IOhannes> ok. so i know what to answer them...


[06:51] <mup> PR snapd#12795 opened: tests.invariant: wait for system scopes to finish <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12795>
[07:17] <mup> PR snapd#11483 closed: tests/main/snapd-snap: test installing the snapd snap and connecting interfaces <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <Closed by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11483>
[07:22] <mup> PR snapd#12789 closed: tests: add dependency needed in debian to run the sbuild tests <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12789>
[14:34] <mup> PR snapd#12796 opened: test-invariant: make stray-dbus-daemon less brittle <Created by valentindavid> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12796>


[15:09] <ubuntucloud428> hi
[15:10] <ubuntucloud428> hi
[15:10] <ubuntucloud428> can you help me how to add linux workstation in linux server
[15:42] <Madkiss> hi there.
[15:42] <Madkiss> I set up OpenStack and created a VM with Ubuntu 11.10. However, it looks like it won't let me log in
[15:42] <Madkiss> I tried numerous logins on the VNC console like ubuntu/ubuntu or ubuntu/passw0rd, and with my ssh key, it doesn't work either
[15:43] <Madkiss> what are the correct credentials?
[19:01] <mgalloway> hey does anyone know where the username and password is stored for the UEC interface?
[19:21] <mgalloway> anyone?
[22:40] <SpamapS> smoser: * WARNING: cloud-init already published in Proposed (0.5.10-0ubuntu1.6)
[22:40] <SpamapS> smoser: is it your intention to revert that one?
[22:41] <SpamapS> smoser: ahh n/m I see the comment in the bug


[14:44] <CarstenG> cqfd93: Hi Sylvie.
[14:44] <CarstenG> Nice to see, that the script works for you.
[14:44] <CarstenG> I hope it helps for reviewing :-)
[14:46] <hannie> Hi all
[14:46] <hannie> CarstenG, what useful script are you talking about?
[14:46] <cqfd93> hello Carsten and Hannie
[14:46] <hannie> hi cqfd93
[14:46] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[14:47] <cqfd93> CarstenG: I haven't heard from the other translators yet
[14:47] <CarstenG> I mean the script which I wrote for adding LP links to the po file
[14:47] <cqfd93> Hannie, this script works great
[14:47] <hannie> ah, yes, I am sure it is great. I tested it a while ago
[14:48] <CarstenG> see my email to the list from 12th march
[14:48] <hannie> We will not publish the Dutch translation of Raring (only LTS) because we are understaffed
[14:49] <hannie> There are only about 40 messages to go, but they are long ones. And making screenshots is a hell of a job
[14:50] <hannie> I used Pierres automated version of the manual to get te fuzzies in
[14:50] <hannie> *the
[14:51] <CarstenG> I see 812 untranslated strings for Dutch raring...
[14:51] <hannie> CarstenG, I am experimenting with making a pot (and then po) file from scratch. Do you have experience with that?
[14:51] <CarstenG> Why you mean 40?
[14:52] <hannie> CarstenG, because, like I said, I used the automated version from Pierre
[14:52] <hannie> I will upload it to LP shortly, it is on my TODO list
[14:53] <CarstenG> You mean, you have translated here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntumanualautomated/trunk/+lang/nl ?
[14:54] <hannie> let me see if that is the one.....
[14:54] <hannie> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntumanualautomated/trunk/+pots/ubuntu-manual-ubuntu-manual/nl/+translate
[14:54] <hannie> yes, 98% translated
[14:56] <CarstenG> mmmh, I thought this was not the intention to translate there.
[14:56] <hannie> Well, it is much less work because we can copy the fuzzies. That's why 98% is translated now.
[14:57] <hannie> We do have to review carefully, though
[14:57] <hannie> I have just downloaded it and after reviewing in Lokalize I will upload it to the proper place
[14:57] <CarstenG> As I understood Pierre, this was only to get suggestions here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/raring/+pots/ubuntu-manual/nl/+translate
[14:58] <hannie> It is about the same workflow as the one I use as mentioned above
[15:00] <hannie> The only snag is that people from outside our team cannot work on the automated version, which is good
[15:01] <cqfd93> these automated translation can be very useful: you can work offline to improve translations, do mass-replacements, then upload the .po, approve it, and have it imported in just about 15-20 mins
[15:02] <hannie> cqfd93, I think the great advantage is the conversion of fuzzies to approved
[15:02] <cqfd93> And suggestions from this file appear as suggestions in the real manual translation pages very quickly
[15:03] <hannie> Yes, that too
[15:03] <cqfd93> Hanny, I agree
[15:03] <hannie> cqfd93, we are sort of guinea pigs
[15:03] <cqfd93> *Hannie (sorry!)
[15:04] <hannie> What's in the name ;)
[15:04] <cqfd93> I wrote Hanny
[15:04] <hannie> I mean the French and the Dutch teams (guinea pigs)
[15:05]  * cqfd93 needs coffee, see you soon :-)
[15:05] <hannie> see you, enjoy your coffee
[15:12] <cqfd93> back with a large cup of hot coffee (I'm freezing)
[15:12] <hannie> Suggestion, stay inside near the heater :)
[15:13] <hannie> I am away in a minute, Sylvie, I may have some questions I want to ask but I am in no hurry. See you all
[15:14] <cqfd93> All heaters are off... :-(
[15:14] <cqfd93> Hannie, you said we're like guinea pigs because we're using Pierre's new tool?
[15:14] <hannie> yes, that's right
[15:14] <cqfd93> ok