[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #137637 in soyuz "Activated PPA does not exist according to build error" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137637
[01:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137649 in soyuz "PPA should allow upload of Debian packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137649
[01:47] <ajmitch> morning mpt
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137655 in launchpad-bazaar "Cannot delete a branch that has revisions" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137655
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137658 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch deletion does not check for related merge proposals" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137658
[02:45] <_keturn> how do I get an external bug tracker added to my launchpad project?
[02:49] <jamesh> _keturn: you can register one here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/+newbugtracker
[02:53] <nealmcb> I'm looking for a good model of how to package a simple python program for my ppa - any recommendations for a package to use as a template?
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #137661 in soyuz "PPA rejection message suggests you reply to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137661
[02:57] <_keturn> jamesh: that worked, thanks.
[02:58] <jamesh> _keturn: you can then link the new bug tracker to your product on the product's "change details" form.
[03:00] <_keturn> yep, got it.  does it do anything fancy involving import/export, or is that link just to make links easier?
[03:03] <jamesh> _keturn: I seem to remember packaging links and bug tracker links being used when forwarding distro bugs upstream
[03:03] <jamesh> so it is useful information to record
[03:21] <pwnguin> do the ppa's have universe enabled?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> pwnguin: if you use Section: universe/foo in debian/control
[03:53] <Hobbsee> please people, do not use "today" and "tomorrow", etc, for anything of importance.
[03:54] <Hobbsee> or $randomDayOfTheWeek
[03:54] <Hobbsee> no, wait, day of the week is ok
[03:54] <Hobbsee> as long as you specify timezone, or default to utc
[05:52] <jkakar> Is PPA pretty bogged right now?  I uploaded source several hours ago and it still hasn't appeared anywhere.
[05:52] <jkakar> Is there any way to see what the overall PPA queue looks like to try to estimate how long a build will take?
[05:54] <pwnguin> it wasnt too bogged down when i used it a few hours ago
[05:54] <pwnguin> what's your lp name/
[05:54] <pwnguin> jkakar?
[05:54] <jkakar> yep
[07:34] <lifeless> Hobbsee: heh
[07:34] <lifeless> Hobbsee: I love poking fun at 'this summer we will XXXX' mails on lists.
[07:35] <Hobbsee> lifeless: ah yes :)
[07:35] <Hobbsee> lifeless: what's even more fun is when you actually dont know if htey have converted it into summer time
[07:37] <lifeless> nice
[08:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137687 in malone ""apport" automatic bug-reporting system doesn't (apparently) let you see what it reports to launchpad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137687
[08:34] <jkakar> Does PPA try to do anything weird if you say, upload too many sets of signed sources too fast.  My test uploads are occassionally mysteriously vanishing.
[08:35] <jkakar> I'll wait a while (like 2h) and then, out of desperation will try again, and all of a sudden I get the "Accepted blah blah" e-mail within minutes.
[08:59] <carlos> morning
[10:11] <huats> I have some difficulties to use ppa to build an ubuntu package.... it keeps rejecting my _source.changes  Reasons :
[10:12] <huats>  - Unable to find flightgear_0.9.10.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution.  (with flightgear being the package I am trying to build)
[10:12] <huats>  - Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[10:12] <huats>  - PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team.
[10:12] <huats> does anybody has an idea ?
[10:31] <huats> does anybody can help me a bit with the building of a package on ppa ?
[10:50] <laga> huats: what's the metter?
[10:51] <huats> t keeps rejecting my _source.changes  Reasons :
[10:51] <huats> - Unable to find flightgear_0.9.10.orig.tar.gz in upload or distribution. (with flightgear being the package I am trying to build)
[10:51] <huats> - Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[10:51] <huats> - PPA is only allowed for members of launchpad-beta-testers team.
[10:52] <huats> and of course, there isthe orig.tar.gz, and I am part of the members of the team
[10:59] <laga> hum
[10:59] <laga> are you also uploading the orig.tar.gz?
[10:59] <huats> I don't know
[10:59] <laga> make sure it's listed in the .changes
[11:00] <huats> may be I am doing something wrong when I create the .changes
[11:00] <huats> it is done right now by debuild -S
[11:00] <laga> just take a look in there
[11:00] <huats> is it the right method ?
[11:01] <laga> huats: is the orig.tar.gz listed in your .changes file or not?
[11:01] <huats> I am ahving a look
[11:01] <huats> nope
[11:01] <huats> it is not
[11:02] <laga> huats: then you can debuild -S -sa
[11:02] <laga> that should work
[11:03] <huats> ok
[11:03] <huats> it is now indeed
[11:04] <huats> will it solve the ppa team membered pb too ?
[11:05] <laga> tbh: i dunno.
[11:05] <laga> just got onn the team myself the other day
[11:05] <laga> what's your launchpad user name, btw?
[11:06] <huats> christophe-sauthier
[11:07] <laga> you are on launchad beta testers, indeed
[11:07] <laga> have you set up an opengpg key?
[11:07] <laga> are you signing the packages with said key?
[11:08] <huats> yep
[11:08] <huats> I am signing it
[11:08] <laga> is your .dput.cf correct? are you uploading to the right location?
[11:08] <huats> I think so
[11:08] <huats> I will  recheck
[11:34] <huats> laga: I've found a mismatch between my .dput.cf and the quick start
[11:34] <huats> I'll check again
[11:42] <huats> laga: Ok, now it seems to work
[11:43] <huats> I've received an email saying : Accepted flightgear 0.9.10-2ubuntu2 (source)
[11:43] <laga> great
[11:43] <huats> but I cannot find any trace on my ppa page
[11:43] <laga> what was different, btw?
[11:43] <huats> is it normal ?
[11:44] <laga> it takes some time
[11:44] <huats> oh : the location of the fqdn
[11:44] <laga> heh
[11:45] <huats> oh : it has been dogfood and now ppa.launchpad.net
[11:45] <laga> yeah, dogfood was some testing system
[11:45] <huats> I don't know where did I found the dogfood think
[11:45] <huats> ok
[11:46] <huats> laga:  so it is normal that I cannot find it on currently building or even the "All states"
[11:46] <huats> ?
[11:51] <laga> yup
[11:51] <laga> you should be OK if it's accepted
[11:51] <laga> just wait some time
[11:51] <laga> i upload mine like 30 or 60 minutes ago and it's still not showing up there
[11:54] <huats> ok
[11:54] <huats> thanks
[11:54] <huats> really thanks for your precious help
[11:56] <laga> no problem
[11:56] <laga> PPA is a great toy
[11:56] <laga> i just wish my builds would show up quicker ;)
[12:15] <laga> yay, my build has just started
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137731 in malone "Milestone bug list should show security and private icons" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137731
[01:29] <kiko_> bigjools (or anyone)
[01:29] <kiko_> do you know what the PPA buildds are called?
[01:29] <bigjools> I'm afraid not
[01:31] <Fujitsu> promethium and samarium, kiko?
[01:31] <laga> https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive/+build/384648
[01:31] <laga> ^^ what's a build score?
[01:32] <Fujitsu> laga: It has an undocumented initial value, and increases gradually over time, and determines in what order things get built.
[01:32] <laga> ah, nice
[01:34] <kiko_> Fujitsu, thanks!
[01:34] <Fujitsu> kiko_: nop
[01:34] <Fujitsu> s/o//
[01:34] <Fujitsu> Stupid stupid lag.
[01:35] <kiko_> 2 hours to build mono? wow
[01:35] <Fujitsu> Sounds fairly plausible.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> kiko: Bug #136390 is about the PPA buildds being made obvious.
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136390 in soyuz "(Non-)PPA builders are not easily distinguishable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136390
[02:00] <kiko> Fujitsu, you report great bugs.
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Or not.
[02:01] <kiko> the ones I've seen are great
[02:01] <kiko> and contain all the information necessary to triage
[02:01] <Fujitsu> I am impressed. Thanks.
[02:54] <\sh> can someone explain this mail I received 5 mins ago?
[02:54] <\sh> 12:48:03 DEBUG   ion3-mod-xinerama: (binary) NEW
[02:54] <\sh> 12:48:03 DEBUG   No signer, therefore ACL not processed
[02:54] <\sh> 12:48:03 ERROR   Unhandled exception processing upload
[02:54] <\sh>  -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9148304/tdF6g6vb0mSWPHiFqiKHU6uGSaQ.txt (Duplicated ancestry)
[02:54] <\sh> 12:48:03 WARNING Upload was rejected:
[02:54] <\sh> 12:48:03 WARNING 	Unhandled exception processing upload: Duplicated ancestry
[02:54] <kiko> \sh, wow, that's a really interesting bug. :)
[02:54] <\sh> kiko, well, it's in universe , and hopefully not new ;)
[02:55] <\sh> kiko, and only ppc arch
[02:55] <\sh> -ENOTMYFAULT ;9
[02:55] <kiko> I think it's a new bug, I've never seen that before
[02:55] <\sh> ah I got a mail for the same package for sparc as well
[02:56] <\sh> and all other archs
[02:56] <\sh> kiko, I wonder if it has to do with moving it to universe
[02:56] <\sh> aeh multiverse
[02:57] <kiko> \sh, can you explain better?
[02:57] <\sh> kiko, the package itself should be moved from universe to multiverse, could be that some of the archive admins today tried to do it...i'm not sure...
[02:57] <\sh> kiko, but those mails are strange..
[02:58] <geser> ion3-mod-xinerama moved from universe to multiverse today
[02:59] <kiko> \sh, it's because they are bugs!
[03:00] <Fujitsu> It'll be because the same version is currently semi-published in two places, I guess.
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Oh, not a new upload, I see...
[03:33] <idefixs> hi there! I have my project set up on launchpad and would now like to use launchpad as my bug tracker. how do i do that?
[03:34] <kiko> idefixs, visit your +edit page -- there's a way of saying you use it there.
[03:34] <idefixs> hmm - where is +edit?
[03:35] <kiko> idefixs, what's the project name?
[03:35] <idefixs> could that possibility be hidden from me because i did not register the project myself?
[03:35] <idefixs> fische
[03:36] <kiko> idefixs, ah, yes. who registered the project?
[03:36] <idefixs> bluekuja
[03:36] <kiko> idefixs, talk to him :)
[03:37] <idefixs> easier said than done but thanks anyway!
[03:48] <kiko> Rinchen!
[03:48] <kiko> Rinchen, we're still on the phone btw
[03:49] <Rinchen> Morning kiko
[03:49] <Rinchen> Is there value for me to join in?
[03:51] <kiko> nooo
[03:52] <Rinchen> I'll take that a face value :-)
[03:59] <Rinchen> I hereby decree, no preemptive me'ing today!
[03:59] <Rinchen> me
[03:59] <bigjools> meh
[04:00] <SteveA> Welcome to this week's Launchpad development meeting.  For the next 45 or so minutes, we'll be coordinating about developing Launchpad.
[04:00] <SteveA> who is here today?
[04:00] <bigjools> me
[04:00] <sinzui> me
[04:00] <adeuring> me
[04:00] <intellectronica> me
[04:00] <mpt> me
[04:00] <barry> me
[04:00] <gmb> me
[04:00] <matsubara> me
[04:00] <jsk> me
[04:00] <mthaddon> me
[04:00] <bac> me
[04:00] <Rinchen> me
[04:00] <gmb> just
[04:00] <mwhudson> me
[04:00] <salgado> me
[04:00] <BjornT> me
[04:00] <synic> me
[04:00] <schwuk> me
[04:00] <stub> me
[04:00] <stub> him
[04:00] <matsubara> mrevell: ping
[04:00] <mrevell> me
[04:00] <jtv> me
[04:00] <mrevell> matsubara: pong
[04:01] <SteveA> I have apologies from
[04:01] <SteveA>  * Curtis Hovey (sinzui)
[04:01] <SteveA>  * James Henstridge (jamesh)
[04:01] <danilos> me
[04:01] <kiko> me
[04:01] <bigjools> SteveA: cprov is on holiday
[04:01] <BjornT> allenap: ping - meeting time
[04:01] <ddaa_> me
[04:02] <SteveA> mpt: when you update the meeting agenda page, to link to the summary and include action items, please would you clear the apologies section
[04:02] <stub> We need a meeting bot - team is getting too big!
[04:02] <mpt> SteveA, I do, I'm sorry if I forgot
[04:02] <kiko> I am hear
[04:02] <jtv> danilos: no carlos?
[04:02] <SteveA> thanks mpt
[04:02] <danilos> jtv: pinged him privately
[04:02] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[04:02] <SteveA> kiko: I here you
[04:02] <SteveA> bigjools: thanks
[04:03] <SteveA> stub: I believe the distro team use a meeting bot.  Perhaps we can use that.
[04:03] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[04:03] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  (other items)
[04:03] <SteveA> ----
[04:03] <SteveA>  * Blockers
[04:03] <SteveA>
[04:03] <SteveA> Next meeting, same time next week please.  Who knows they won't be here?
[04:03] <stub> I'm not available
[04:03] <mpt> I won't be here.
[04:03] <kiko> I'll be here.
[04:04] <SteveA> Actions from last meeting.
[04:04] <SteveA>  * mrevell to start a discussion on launchpad-users@ about making it easier for upstream developers to manage bugs reported on Ubuntu packages of their software
[04:04] <SteveA>  * kiko to start a discussion on launchpad@ about fixing the config system disaster
[04:04] <SteveA>  * matsubara to get feedback from team leads about any security concerns in giving them access to the shared staging mailbox
[04:04] <SteveA> mrevell: ?
[04:04] <kiko> SteveA, I did, but it's not gone very far.
[04:05] <SteveA> kiko: What's the subject line of the thread?
[04:05] <SteveA> kiko: I'm interested to take part in this.
[04:05] <kiko> something to do with configs
[04:05] <allenap> me
[04:05] <matsubara> SteveA: on going discussion in the mailing list.
[04:05] <mrevell> SteveA: Apologies, that's in my drafts folder. I'll send it following this meeting.
[04:05] <kiko> RFC: Smoother config updates
[04:05] <SteveA> Thanks.
[04:05] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:05] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 135829, 79637, 137385, 137140
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135829 in launchpad-answers "OOPS creating a faq with a rejected question" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135829
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 79637 in malone "Cve page shouldn't contain bugnomination edit links" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79637
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137385 in malone "OOPS changing the bug target to None" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137385
[04:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137140 in malone "Oops linking cve entry to a bug report that had the bug target modified" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137140
[04:05] <matsubara> sinzui can you take 135829?
[04:06] <matsubara> Volunteers for #79637, #137385 and #137140?
[04:06] <sinzui> matsubara: yes
[04:06] <matsubara> thanks sinzui
[04:07] <matsubara> BjornT can you volunteer someone? :-)
[04:07] <jsk> matsubara: i'll take 137385
[04:07] <intellectronica> matsubara:  i can take 137385, assuming i can get an rc and do it next week, otherwise too busy
[04:07] <jsk> :)
[04:07] <matsubara> thanks jsk and intellectronica
[04:07] <intellectronica> jsk: you got it :)
[04:08] <jsk> ta :)
[04:08] <matsubara> I think the worst one is 79637. I think it's ok if the others land in the next cycle
[04:08] <kiko> intellectronica, an RC would be fine.
[04:09] <matsubara> gmb: can you take 79637?
[04:09] <gmb> matsubara: I was just typing that ;)
[04:09] <kiko> gmb, say yes :)
[04:09] <gmb> Yes.
[04:09] <matsubara> you did a refactoring in the +editstatus  view
[04:09] <matsubara> ah ok
[04:09] <matsubara> thanks!
[04:09] <gmb> For you kiko, anything.
[04:09] <gmb> Within reason.
[04:09] <kiko> heh
[04:09] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done. thank you
[04:09] <danilos> guys, this is a public meeting!
[04:09] <SteveA> thanks matsubara
[04:10] <SteveA>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[04:10] <Rinchen> Hi all. I did a round of checking last night and this morning with folks on the critical bugs and I am aware of all their current status/progress. Thus, nothing for today unless anyone has a question.
[04:10] <Rinchen> 4
[04:10] <Rinchen> 3
[04:10] <SteveA> any critical bugs that are affecting launchpad users, where people would be reassured by seeing them mentioned here?
[04:11] <Rinchen> at this point, the only one that fits that def is the ppa bug 136418
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136418 in soyuz "[ppa]  Report email is sent to original maintainer and uploader" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136418 - Assigned to Julian Edwards (julian-edwards)
[04:11] <kiko> Rinchen, I'm looking at that patch for bigjools
[04:11] <SteveA> thanks
[04:12] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[04:12] <SteveA> One new tag proposed:
[04:12] <SteveA> structural-navigation
[04:12] <SteveA> Mistakes in the use of the location bar, structural heading, and/or tabs
[04:13] <danilos> examples? what's the difference from ui (except detail level)?
[04:13] <kiko> +1
[04:13] <SteveA> danilos: examples are on https://help.launchpad.net/TaggingLaunchpadBugs
[04:13] <mpt> It's mainly so I can fix them all at once someday
[04:13] <SteveA> my only question is, does a combination of 'structural' + 'ui' meet this need?
[04:14] <danilos> mpt: then I am +1 on it, because that's how I believe tags should be used to help us :)
[04:14] <SteveA> mpt: ok, fine, +1
[04:14] <mpt> SteveA, we don't currently have a "structural" tag either
[04:14] <SteveA> thanks for proposing the tag and describing it well, with decent examples
[04:14] <SteveA>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:14] <mpt> I'm fine with using the tag "structural" if you think it's clear, but you thought "focus" wasn't
[04:14] <mthaddon> Edge should be going live in reconfigured status today or tomorrow - once complete we can test for a few days and then turn on beta-testers redirect
[04:14] <mthaddon> PQM durations graph now auto-creating: https://devpad.canonical.com/~mthaddon/pqm_durations.html
[04:15] <kiko> mthaddon is da man
[04:15] <mthaddon> Other than that, nothing much to report
[04:15] <mrevell> cool
[04:15] <kiko> mthaddon, did yiou see that stub said that other landings are also processed there?
[04:15] <Rinchen> +1 on mthaddon being the man
[04:15] <kiko> mthaddon, and did you see my special request?
[04:15] <mwhudson> i've seen the bazaar folks complain about how slow pqm is for them during launchpad week 3 :)
[04:15] <mthaddon> kiko - yes, I have an RT ticket to rsync logs to devpad so I can do analysis easier without slowing balleny
[04:16] <kiko> mwhudson, it's slow, not blocked, right?
[04:16] <mwhudson> kiko: yes
[04:16] <kiko> mthaddon, so as long as balleny is processing requests for other projects, we're SOL
[04:16] <kiko> mthaddon, is there a way of adjusting that curve for that I wonder? :-(
[04:17] <SteveA> easiest way is to kick other projects to another machine ;-)
[04:17] <mthaddon> kiko: not sure I understand, but we can discuss after the meeting if you like
[04:17] <kiko> SteveA, yeah, but..
[04:18] <mthaddon> SteveA, sorry, all done
[04:18] <SteveA> thanks
[04:18] <SteveA>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:18] <stub> DB patches have all been reviewed. I'd like to get feedback from Carlos about the LanguagePack patch after or during the meeting as I'm not officially here tomorrow. Similar with the code import patch if the bzr guys disagree with my reasoning.
[04:18] <stub> launchpad/devel will be open for db patches starting tomorrow. Opened by whoever does it first - probably me as I have a branch to land.
[04:18] <stub> We might have a suitable work around for https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/119780, allowing us to search in bug comments again. Details in the bug report.
[04:18] <stub> over and out.
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119780 in launchpad "GIN indexes cause some slow queries to fail entirely" [Medium,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)
[04:19] <kiko> stub, I'll target that again, thanks.
[04:19] <Rinchen> stub did you process ddaa's?
[04:19] <danilos> stub: how long will you be around? I'll try to find carlos for you
[04:19] <mwhudson> Rinchen: yeah, we got a review of our patch
[04:19] <ddaa> we just received stub's review email today
[04:19] <Rinchen> great thanks.
[04:21] <stub> danilos: How long do I need to be around :-) I'll check email tomorrow morning if I need to.
[04:21] <stub> (or whenever I wake up)
[04:21] <SteveA> nice workaround plan for 119780
[04:21] <danilos> stub: well, I'll have to sms and/or call carlos, and I just want to know how much time I've got... anyway, I'll do that asap :)
[04:21] <stub> danilos: You can probably answer the q's n the review - it is just naming opinions.
[04:21] <SteveA> stub: any news on getting frederico to do some psycopg work?
[04:21] <jtv> danilos: I've also just emailed him
[04:22] <danilos> stub: right, except the type question... Iets move to #launchpad-code for that, though
[04:22] <mwhudson> i'm sure ddaa and i can check through the review pretty soon after the meeting
[04:22] <stub> SteveA: I got confused on what we where thinking of asking him todo and dropped it sorry.
[04:22] <SteveA> stub: fix some important bugs in psycopg 2 that jamesh identified
[04:23] <SteveA> stub: look at supporting TPC
[04:24] <stub> You want me to fire off an email tonight or pass it on to someone (jamesh) to chase next week?
[04:24] <SteveA> please fire off an email and cc me and joey
[04:24] <SteveA> and jamesh too
[04:24] <SteveA> thanks stub
[04:24] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)
[04:24] <Rinchen>  Does anyone have any RT requests that need attention? If you are blocked on any, please speak now. I'm aware of Brilliant's ticket. jtv's moin patch was also recently upgraded.
[04:24] <kiko> I look up and it says please fire me and joey
[04:24] <kiko> Rinchen, jtv's moin patch, pretty please
[04:25] <Rinchen> kiko, sure thing. I also have a several from Poolie that I'm chasing.
[04:25] <Rinchen> mthaddon, I know yours are doing well. Any issues there?
[04:25] <mthaddon> not from me
[04:26] <Rinchen> ok, if anyone thinks of any, please ping me.  Back to you Steve.
[04:26] <SteveA> thanks Rinchen
[04:26] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:26] <mrevell> In yesterday's Launchpad users meeting we had quite a few PPA-related
[04:26] <mrevell> questions. On the one hand, the buzz around PPA was great to see!
[04:26] <mrevell> However, it was also clear that people are using PPA to learn how to
[04:26] <mrevell> package. Right now, our documentation assumes some packaging knowledge.
[04:26] <mrevell> Laserjock (Jordan Mantha) has suggested a Packaging with PPA irc class
[04:26] <mrevell> to be run jointly by the Launchpad and MOTU teams. I'm also working on
[04:26] <mrevell> improvements to the PPA documentation, based on feedback we've had.
[04:26] <mrevell> So, today's issue is that PPA's success has highlighted a need for
[04:26] <mrevell> more basic packaging information in the PPA documentation. I'm going to
[04:26] <mrevell> work with Laserjock and cprov to find the best way to handle this.
[04:26] <mrevell> I'll gratefully accept ideas and suggestions.
[04:26] <mrevell> Thanks back to you SteveA.
[04:27] <Rinchen> mrevell, if we don't already perhaps a link to MOTU from the PPA quickstart guide might be handy. Would drive new packagers there.
[04:27] <Rinchen> bolstering their team :-)
[04:27] <mrevell> Rinchen: Thanks, we don't have a link already to MOTU but do to the Ubuntu packaging guide. I'll add one in.
[04:28] <SteveA> Thanks mrevell
[04:29] <SteveA>  * Blockers (by team)
[04:29] <SteveA> SC: not blocked
[04:29] <Rinchen>  Release Team: Brilliant is blocked. IS to attempt fix tomorrow.
[04:29] <jtv> Translations: not blocked.
[04:29] <SteveA> Foundations: need internal xmlrpc service
[04:29] <BjornT> Bugs Team: not blocked
[04:29] <statik> Collaborative Commerce: not blocked
[04:29] <ddaa> Code Hosting: not blocked
[04:29] <bigjools> Soyuz Team: a few dependent branches blocked on a kiko review
[04:30] <Rinchen> HWDB?
[04:30] <adeuring> Uh, sorry, no
[04:30] <adeuring> or HWDB: not blocked
[04:30] <Rinchen> thanks
[04:30] <kiko> bigjools, no, that's not true.
[04:31] <kiko> bigjools, I reviewed both and sent questions.
[04:31] <kiko> no answers have come
[04:31] <kiko> so I'm waiting.
[04:31] <kiko> the only branch which is pending is for a cherry-pick
[04:31] <bigjools> kiko: I emailed asking for a re-review
[04:31] <bigjools> since it changed a lot
[04:32] <carlos> hi, sorry dudes, a mix of not knowing the time is it + my wireless card losing the network prevented me to arrive on time...
[04:32] <bigjools> kiko: the other one is blocked on cprov coming back I guess?
[04:33] <kiko> bigjools, yes.
[04:34] <kiko> bigjools, or you calling him on his vacation? or you investigating further?
[04:34] <kiko> I mean, you're the one who's blocked, not him
[04:35] <bigjools> I pointed out that your question had little to do with the changed code...
[04:35] <SteveA> ok
[04:35] <SteveA> we have 10 more minutes allotted
[04:35] <SteveA> joey and kiko, would you like to say anything about the release cycle, work in the coming week, etc.?
[04:36] <kiko> last day for new branches up is tomorrow
[04:36] <kiko> reviewers, please clear out your review queues today
[04:36] <kiko> don't go into week 3 with reviews that still need dong
[04:36] <Rinchen> DB is open on Friday
[04:36] <gmb> Is 1.1.10 a Five-weeker or is it the cycle after that?
[04:37] <Rinchen> we go thru 1.1.12 gmb
[04:37] <kiko> remember PQM is taking 90-120 minutes to land a branch. if you don't merge by wednesday, you're probably going to lose
[04:37] <Rinchen> gmb, so the week of the 24th is a "week 0"
[04:37] <gmb> Okay. Thanks.
[04:38] <Rinchen> however, I'm expecting .11 and .12 to be light in terms of code due to meetings and holidays
[04:38] <jtv> Rinchen: don't discount pent-up changes from 1.1.10's stable cycle
[04:38] <kiko> bigjools, which are the branch names?
[04:38] <stub> Rinchen: I notice we have cycle stuff scheduled throughout UDS on the google calendar.
[04:38] <Rinchen> stub, indeed.
[04:38] <barry> Rinchen: december's week 0 is also a forced holiday week
[04:39] <kiko> stub, UDS is business as usual.
[04:39] <SteveA> it's like forced labour, but more fun
[04:39] <bigjools> kiko: let's discuss after the meeting
[04:39] <carlos> kiko: does it mean this week PQM will close Friday night on USA?
[04:39] <stub> business as usual, but wearing pants and less nose picking
[04:39] <kiko> carlos, next week you mean? maybe.
[04:39] <barry> i like to think of that week as the skunkworks week :)
[04:39] <carlos> kiko: yeah, sorry, next week
[04:40] <Rinchen> I expect us to define the 2008 schedule when we meet at the LP Team Leads meeting in Oct/Nov so stay tuned. I've been keeping a list of all the improvement suggestions.
[04:40] <kiko> the answer is maybe. maybe if we get landings done early enough
[04:40] <kiko> does anyone have any crises branches that will drive reviewers crazy?
[04:40] <kiko> jtv, BjornT, SteveA?
[04:40] <kiko> thumper?
[04:41] <carlos> barry: thanks for your hard work
[04:41] <danilos> :)
[04:41] <BjornT> kiko: i don't think so.
[04:41] <barry> carlos: no worries.  i'm looking forward to a week of reduced sobriety :)
[04:41] <danilos> barry: you want to be the reviewer for the branch depending on that carlos' one? j/k, of course :)
[04:42] <barry> SteveA: can i have a quick word about the review team?
[04:42] <SteveA> in this meeting, now?
[04:42] <barry> if it's ok
[04:42] <SteveA> sure, you have 2 minutes.
[04:42] <barry> just wanted to mention that we have 5 new review team members: sinzui, jml, jtv, intellectronica, and mwhudson
[04:43] <barry> i have mentors lined up for 3 of them, still looking for 2 more mentors
[04:43] <barry> we can start assigning them branches immediately :)
[04:43] <barry> if you want to mentor, contact me
[04:43] <jtv> ...and fails
[04:43] <barry> done
[04:43] <kiko> I can probably mentor one of them
[04:43] <kiko> if their branches are not big
[04:43] <barry> oh, and congratulations to all 5
[04:43] <kiko> but they should fall over to other reviewers
[04:44] <barry> kiko: you know they won't be > 2k
[04:44] <barry> we have enough reviewers now to have plenty of backups
[04:44] <kiko> barry, I don't want more than 300+ lines
[04:44] <barry> kiko: thanks
[04:44] <sinzui> jtv: Soon I will be discovered to be a fraud. Once everyone realizes I have PyLint set to --bitch, i'll be drummed out of the team
[04:44] <kiko> barry, I'm an ADD boy
[04:44] <barry> kiko: ok
[04:45] <jtv> sinzui: nobody kicked you out when they found your Japanese nick was fake, did they?
[04:45] <SteveA> I always pronounce it as if it were Dutch...
[04:45] <ddaa> Agile Distributed Development?
[04:45] <kiko> curtis isn't japanese?
[04:45] <SteveA> and it's time...
[04:45] <SteveA> thanks everyone!
[04:45] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[04:45] <mrevell> thanks all :)
[04:45] <sinzui> jtv: probably because they cannot pronounce it due to romanization challenges.
[04:46] <ddaa> Advanced Distaste for Debugging
[04:46] <jtv> Ah those stupid gaijin
[04:46] <jtv> ddaa: all this is going into the GTF
[04:46] <ddaa> jtv: ?
[04:46] <barry> Admonish Developers for Dumbness
[04:46] <jtv> ddaa: the GPL'ed TLA FAQ
[04:46] <ddaa> No idea for GTF
[04:46] <jtv> http://xs4all.nl/~jtv/gtf/
[04:46] <ddaa> ah! ok
[04:47] <jtv> ddaa: even Knuth has contributed.
[04:47] <kiko> who's this knuth guy anyway
[04:47] <jtv> ddaa: you are entitled to carry the GCP logo on your homepage or website
[04:47] <kiko> and what has he done for computing?
[04:47] <jtv> kiko: who are you and what have you done with Kiko?
[04:47] <ddaa> jtv: am I?
[04:47] <mpt> Darn you, mentioning TLA
[04:47] <mpt> Now I'll have nightmares
[04:48] <kiko> mpt, don't quit just because the RCS sucks!
[04:48] <jtv> mpt: _you_ get nightmares?  I have over 26k tlas.
[04:48] <jtv> ddaa: you are.
[04:48] <jtv> GCP stands for GTF Contributor Program
[04:48] <kiko> tla commit
[04:49] <salgado> kiko, not even a commit was that easy with tla
[04:49] <mpt> tla commited --no-commit
[04:50] <ddaa> we had that?
[04:50] <mpt> I have no idea, I actually missed the tla era(/error)
[04:50] <ddaa> We did have some interesting things pretty close to that...
[04:50] <mpt> But I do remember someone referring to diff --nodiffs
[04:51] <ddaa> right, that one :)
[04:51] <ddaa> probably --no-diffs to keep the dash density right
[04:51] <ddaa> interestingly
[04:52] <mpt> And I was thinking about it before the meeting, thinking that "baz resolved" makes *slightly* more sense than "bzr resolve"
[04:52] <ddaa> the philosophical choices that made the tla UI so horrible
[04:52] <ddaa> are very similar to some of philosophical choices of git
[04:52] <ddaa> and interestingly
[04:52] <mpt> Because you're not resolving the conflict, you're indicating that you've already resolved it.
[04:52] <ddaa> some people report that git UI is horrible too
[04:54] <jtv> mpt: but you're "resolving" the tools _representation_ of the conflict
[04:54] <ddaa> mpt: this has been a point of contention in the past
[04:54] <mpt> jtv, it's that kind of thinking that leads to nonsense like "Edit languages" in LP :-P
[04:54] <ddaa> I believe the conclusion is that "resolve" slightly confusing, but is much more natural to type.
[04:55] <jtv> mpt: oh well, can't get much worse than "Edit Preferences"
[04:56] <ddaa> "Actions" "Browse Code"...
[04:56] <ddaa> meh?
[04:56] <mpt> yeah
[04:57] <mpt> Quite a few of our Actions aren't actions
[04:57] <mpt> particularly on registry-specific pages
[04:57] <mpt> and bug and spec listings
[04:58] <Hobbsee> er...
[04:58] <Hobbsee> for the new "description changed" emails, can we actually have some details about *what* changed?
[04:58] <mpt> and sticking "View " in front of each of them just means we have N items that start with "View " and are less scannable as a result
[04:59] <mpt> Hobbsee, description of what? A bug report? package? blueprint?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> ** Description changed:
[04:59] <Hobbsee> -- Kubuntu - Mount dialog always gets shown when the disk is mounted, in the middle of the install https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/122500 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug.
[04:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122500 in ubiquity "Kubuntu - Mount dialog always gets shown when the disk is mounted, in the middle of the install" [Undecided,Fix released]   - Assigned to Colin Watson (kamion)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> oh, bug, yes
[04:59] <Hobbsee> sorry
[04:59] <Hobbsee> that's all that's in the email.  rather useless, really.
[05:00] <mpt> that's very strange
[05:00] <ddaa> jw
[05:00] <Hobbsee> i've got two of them.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> for different bugs
[05:00] <ddaa> jtv: you might be interested about the AAAAA
[05:01] <mpt> Hobbsee, ok, please attach them to a new bug report
[05:01] <ddaa> unfortunately, it's in French
[05:01] <Hobbsee> but not all of them.  only some of them.
[05:01] <ddaa> Association des Amateurs d'Andouillette Auvergnate Authentique
[05:01] <ddaa> That's a quality label for a specific type of sausage.
[05:02] <mwhudson> ddaa: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/AAAAA ?
[05:02] <mpt> That's my favorite Uncyclopedia article
[05:02] <jtv> ddaa: I do three letters.
[05:03] <jtv> ddaa: I can just about read French, but when I'm out of practice, it had better be worth the effort
[05:03] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it's from doing an edit, then hitting save changes, but without actually changing anything - as both are done by stgraber
[05:04] <mpt> Hobbsee, iwj was also asking stgraber about things he'd done
[05:04] <mpt> odd things
[05:04] <Hobbsee> mpt: right.
[05:04] <mpt> Maybe ping him about the bug report when you've created it, so we can collect more examples
[05:04] <Hobbsee> it doesnt appear to be the tags, or anything.
[05:05] <ddaa> duh... http://images.wikia.com/desencyclopedie/images/b/b3/AAAAAAAAA_(Abridged).ogg
[05:05] <jtv> ddaa: Have you heard of the AAAA&T@#?
[05:06] <jtv> The Association Against Abbreviations, Acronyms and Tokenization on the Net
[05:07] <ddaa> I am uncertain whether this is a good, or a bad thing...
[05:08] <ddaa> jtv: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22association+against+abbreviations+acronyms+and+tokenization%22&btnG=Search
[05:08] <ddaa> no result
[05:09] <jtv> ddaa: it's a joke, stupid!
[05:09] <jtv> Seen it mentioned on usenet once, that's all
[05:09] <ddaa> well, it's the internet
[05:09] <ddaa> anything, especially if stupid and/or funny and/or satyrical is bound to be there somewhere.
[05:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137767 in soyuz "Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in PPA uploads closes Ubuntu bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137767
[05:11] <ddaa> Google has 98 hits for "acronym porn"
[05:12] <jtv> ddaa: clearly some misunderstanding about the term "google whack"
[05:13] <ddaa> "tla porn" has 16 hits
[05:15] <Hobbsee> why are you guys looking up porn?
[05:15] <jtv> Let's get one thing perfectly clear: it's him, not me.
[05:15] <ddaa> just wondering what "acronym porn" would look like. Beats my imagination.
[05:16] <ddaa> Also testing rule 34 of the internet: http://xkcd.com/305/
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hah
[05:20] <jtv> ddaa: somehow my imagination just stopped working after I'd read the first panel.
[05:21] <radix> jtv: consider yourself lucky
[05:21] <huats> I've uploaded a .sources this morning that built. But right now I realized that I still have one uncorrected issue. So I tried to upload corrected .sources, but ppa reject it saying "MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive" does it mean I have to increment the revision ?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> huats: did you end uploading the .orig.tar.gz with the new upload?
[05:22] <huats> Hobbsee: Yes
[05:22] <huats> Hobbsee: thanks to laga
[05:22] <jtv> radix: probably a protective reflex, yes
[05:22] <huats> :-)
[05:23] <huats> Hobbsee: I had to add -sa in the debuild command
[05:23] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:23] <Hobbsee> oh, did the version number get bumped?
[05:24] <huats> Hobbsee: get bumped ?
[05:24] <ddaa> incremented
[05:25] <huats> no I didn't increment it
[05:25] <huats> I should ? that was my question indeed :-)
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #137769 in soyuz "wrong error: Missing dependencies: libxul-dev" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137769
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #137770 in soyuz "make uploads to ppas more robust (separate release name?)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137770
[05:40] <ubotu> New bug: #137772 in malone "no way to subscribe to binary packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137772
[05:43] <dcm_>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[06:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137780 in launchpad "Mantis CSV export does not escape newlines in bug summary text" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137780
[06:12] <mrevell> bigjools: ping - quick question re PPA
[06:12] <bigjools> mrevell: hi
[06:13] <mrevell> bigjools: Hey, we've had a suggestion for the PPA guide that we should mention that users should run "debuild -S" to produce signed sources. In cprov's absense, are you happy for that to go in the guide?
[06:14] <Hobbsee> mrevell: -S -sa please
[06:14] <bigjools> mrevell, Hobbsee: yup, sounds good
[06:14] <mrevell> bigjools: Thanks.
[06:14] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Also thanks :)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> incidently, -S wont make sure it's signed.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> mrevell: also, you ahvent gotten a place in the /etc/dput.cf for ppa's.
[06:15] <Hobbsee> as an example one
[06:15] <Hobbsee> which you can then set to not allow unsigned uploads, locally
[06:59] <LaserJock> kiko-fud: when you get back, I have a few questions for you
[07:10] <ubotu> New bug: #137791 in launchpad "Linking bluprint to branch is flaky" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137791
[07:20] <ubotu> New bug: #137793 in launchpad "No easy way to view the teams working on a given project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137793
[07:32] <silwol> hi launchpad users
[07:33] <silwol> somebody here who can help me about how to best package my piece software that is checked in to bzr?
[07:33] <LaserJock> hi silwol
[07:34] <silwol> hi LaserJock
[07:34] <silwol> still had no success with my package i tried to upload yesterday
[07:35] <LaserJock> silwol: are you getting emails?
[07:35] <silwol> yes, one moment...
[07:36] <silwol> LaserJock: see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36469/ - this was the last one I got
[07:46] <carlos> silwol: I think that's more a question for #bzr
[07:47] <silwol> carlos: okay, i'll try it there
[07:47] <carlos> silwol: I'm sure they have more experience with what you ask
[07:58] <LaserJock> silwol: what are you using for your dput command?
[07:58] <silwol> dput -f freenukum_0.0.39-2_source.changes
[07:59] <LaserJock> silwol: ah
[07:59] <LaserJock> silwol: can you paste your .dput.cf file?
[08:00] <silwol> LaserJock: hmmm, was just about to do so
[08:00] <silwol> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36606/
[08:03] <LaserJock> silwol: hehe, I know the problem
[08:03] <LaserJock> silwol: you are uploading to the Ubuntu archives ;-)
[08:04] <LaserJock> you need to tell dput specifically that you want to upload to the ppa
[08:05] <LaserJock> so use dput silwol-ppa -f
[08:05] <silwol> ah, okay
[08:06] <silwol> that is my lack of concentration that I sometimes have
[08:11] <silwol> LaserJock: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36607/
[08:11] <silwol> great thanks for your help
[08:12] <LaserJock> silwol: np
[08:17] <silwol> LaserJock: is there a way to tell dput to use silwol-ppa as default?
[08:19] <pwnguin> silwol: check out the manpage to dput.cf
[08:21] <silwol> thx pwnguin
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #137824 in launchpad "segfault while running codehosting acceptance tests" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137824
[11:04] <beuno> carlos, you around?
[11:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137835 in blueprint "LaunchPad has Ubuntu Sprint Options For Non-Ubuntu Project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137835
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #137838 in blueprint "No Way To Propose Non-Ubuntu Agendas For Sprints" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137838
[11:43] <jeffrey_> hello anyone out there?
[11:45] <kiko> NOOO
[11:47] <jeffrey_> Anyone available to answer a question?
[11:48] <kiko> jeffrey_, always. what's up?
[11:48] <jeffrey_> What is a sprint?
[11:48] <jeffrey_> it's associated with a blue-print.
[11:49] <kiko> jeffrey_, an engineering meeting in a geographical location, basically.
[11:49] <LaserJock> kiko!
[11:49] <jeffrey_> ok
[11:49] <kiko> mostly engineering. maybe you can have pure planning sprints, but they wouldn't be real sprints would they? :)
[11:49] <jeffrey_> I have a few problems with the sprints in launchpad.
[11:49] <jeffrey_> I created a project and a few blueprints.
[11:50] <jeffrey_> Then when I click on propose specification for meeting agenda
[11:50] <jeffrey_> I get a bunch of Ubuntu things.  But my project doesn't have anything to do with Ubuntu.
[11:50] <LaserJock> kiko: I wanted to reply to your "upstream bug contacts" email but I wanted to know first what nonubuntu-qa people can't do
[11:51] <LaserJock> jeffrey_: you need to have a meeting set up first I think
[11:51] <jeffrey_> Then I clicked on one "Xxx XXx XXX" and now it appears I can't remove it from my blueprint.
[11:51] <jeffrey_> It seems to me that those options should not be presenting themselves.  Is that correct?  Like this is a bug?
[11:53] <LaserJock> jeffrey_: I think you get the list of all available "sprints"
[11:54] <jeffrey_> I'm thinking "sprints" should be more private.   And sprints from other projects shouldn't be showing up in my project.
[11:54] <jeffrey_> Does that make sense?
[11:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if sprints are tied to projects
[11:54] <jeffrey_> As far as I can tell, they are tied to blueprints which are tied to projects.
[11:55] <LaserJock> but you could say have a meeting that involves multiple projects
[11:55] <kiko> LaserJock, AFAIK set importance and milestone.
[11:56] <kiko> LaserJock, don't you have a test account to test? ;-)
[11:56] <LaserJock> kiko: umm, no
[11:56] <jeffrey_> then you should subscribe a sprint to those projects and get the associated selections
[11:56] <kiko> LaserJock, I do. hang on
[12:01] <LaserJock> kiko: a test account wouldn't be LP abuse? ;-)
[12:01] <kiko> LaserJock, you can use mine if you like. :)
[12:01] <jeffrey_> you can use my account also :)
[12:01] <jeffrey_> actually you can login to mine and see where the problem is
[12:02] <LaserJock> jeffrey_: I think the design of the sprint tracker might be to be independent of project
[12:02] <LaserJock> although I can see where after a while it could get quite messy wading through all the sprints
[12:03] <jeffrey_> very quickly
[12:03] <jeffrey_> it doesn't make sense for me to look at options I'm not interested in
[12:03] <jeffrey_> that's one problem
[12:03] <jeffrey_> but now I've clicked on "XXX XXX XXX" and I can't get it out of my blueprint
[12:03] <LaserJock> yes, well, it's hard, I imagine, to know what people are interested in
[12:04] <LaserJock> you should probably be able to register a new sprint and retarget the blueprints
[12:04] <jeffrey_> you can see it here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/chms/+spec/chms-schema
[12:04] <jeffrey_> the Sprints: xxx-xxx-xxx on the left
[12:05] <jeffrey_> it's not an issue of interest, it's a design flaw
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #137842 in malone "Allow hosting attachments elsewhere" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137842
[12:05] <LaserJock> jeffrey_:  oh, nifty project btw. Is your nick registered?
[12:06] <jeffrey_> nick meaning the wiki on Ubuntu site?  I'm not sure what you're asking.
[12:06] <LaserJock> your IRC name
[12:06] <LaserJock> is it registered with Freenode
[12:07] <jeffrey_> no I haven't done that yet.  this is actually the first irc chat I've ever done. :)
[12:07] <jeffrey_> I'll do that.
[12:07] <kiko> jeffrey_, IRC is super fun
[12:08] <jeffrey_> what if I don't want to do a sprint? how do I trash this xxx-xxx-xxx?
[12:08] <kiko> LaserJock, anyway, only importance and milestone.
[12:08] <LaserJock> not certain statuses too?
[12:08] <LaserJock> jeffrey_: I think you could ask a Launchpad administrator to fix that
[12:09] <jeffrey_> ok, anyone here an admin?
[12:10] <LaserJock> kiko must be busy or on the phone ;-)
[12:10] <jeffrey_> maybe kiko is fixing my problem?
[12:11] <jeffrey_> where does one propose agendas for sprints?  I think it's kind of funny that Ubuntu people will be seeing my agendas.
[12:12] <LaserJock> you can create a sprint at launchpad.net/sprints/+new
[12:12] <jeffrey_> if I can't delete this sprint from my blueprint,  maybe as you say I can "retarget" it.
[12:12] <kiko> I'm busy
[12:12] <kiko> what's the story?
[12:13] <kiko> you listed your blueprint for a sprint?
[12:13] <kiko> waht URL?
[12:13] <LaserJock> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/chms/+spec/chms-schema
[12:13] <jeffrey_> I want to delete the sprint
[12:13] <LaserJock> he'd like it to be un-proposed for xxx-xxx-xxx
[12:14] <jeffrey_> apparently you have to be real sure when you click that proposal. :)
[12:14] <jeffrey_> one way trip
[12:15] <kiko> the sprint manager just needs to decline it.
[12:15] <jeffrey_> kiko don't you think meetings should be associated with projects?  I can't imagine Ubuntu people wanting to come to my meetings?  :)
[12:15] <LaserJock> why not?
[12:15] <LaserJock> depending on where the meeting is
[12:16] <LaserJock> at least, you can't discount it ;-)
[12:16] <jeffrey_> it's different subject matter, but hey, if hey want to come I guess
[12:16] <jeffrey_> Am I an sprint manager for my own project or is that another admin person?
[12:16] <kiko> I just declined it.
[12:17] <LaserJock> jeffrey_: the person who registers the sprint can fill in the sprint manager
[12:17] <jeffrey_> it's still on my blueprint, now with a red-x on it.
[12:18] <jeffrey_> how do we pretend I never clicked it?
[12:18] <kiko> jeffrey_, well, you did propose it. :-)
[12:18] <kiko> jeffrey_, I think you'd need to request support as per the /topic
[12:18] <jeffrey_> OK.  I actually have reported all of this as bugs already.  I was hoping for a resolution.  :)
[12:18] <kiko> heh
[12:19] <kiko> hopefully as questions before bugs :)
[12:19] <jeffrey_> if you as an admin can't fix it, then I'd say bug.
[12:19] <kiko> it requires a DBA to nuke it
[12:20] <jeffrey_> ok thanks for trying.
[12:20] <kiko> you're welcome :)
[12:20] <jeffrey_> have a great day one and all!
[12:23] <LaserJock> hmm, he filed 3 bugs for it :-)
[12:29] <kiko> wow
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #137846 in blueprint "random people can assign you to a specification" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137846


[00:08] <mbiebl> Keybuk: regarding the sigstop/sigcont issue
[00:08] <mbiebl> it seems that sendsigs tries to kill its parent process and upstart respawns it
[00:09] <mbiebl>  so I naively tried to add -o $PPID to the killall5 call
[00:09] <mbiebl> but that didn't help
[00:09] <mbiebl> have you investigated this further already?
[00:25] <ion> Curious. If i use mountall --debug ... >/dev/mountall.log 2>&1 in mountall.conf, it’s as if two separate instances are writing to the log file at the same time.
[02:28] <Keybuk> mbiebl: it doesn't try and kill it
[02:28] <Keybuk> the bug is simply that sendsigs is doing something ridiculous
[02:29] <Keybuk> but it isn't even a bug, nothing bad is happening
[02:34] <Keybuk> what happens is that killall5 (called by sendsigs) sends SIGSTOP to all processes
[02:34] <Keybuk> then it reads /proc
[02:34] <Keybuk> then it sends those processes SIGTERM
[02:34] <Keybuk> then it sends SIGCONT
[02:34] <Keybuk> the idea of the STOP/CONT being that it prevents new processes from being spawned while it's reading /proc
[02:34] <Keybuk> it has to stop all processes
[02:34] <Keybuk> and then it does this over and over again in a loop, until no processes are left
[02:35] <Keybuk> while it ignores some pids (including its parent) for the purposes of sending SIGTERM and may be left afterwards, it still sends them SIGSTOP
[02:35] <Keybuk> it's silly
[02:35] <Keybuk> because it's trying to win a race
[02:35] <Keybuk> but it's just doping it
[02:36] <Keybuk> most particularly, because init itself ignores SIGSTOP ;)
[02:36] <Keybuk> so init can always spawn new processes if it likes
[02:36] <Keybuk> so rcS isn't dying or being respawned
[02:36] <Keybuk> the shell associated with it is just getting hammered by SIGSTOP/SIGCONT signal pairs until all *other* processes on the system have died
[02:36] <Keybuk> (sendsigs "ignores" rcS itself, since it's its parent)
[02:37] <Keybuk> if you see it going on for a long time, it means that _some_other_ process is not terminating
[02:37] <Keybuk> even with SIGKILL
[02:37] <Keybuk> that implies one in uninterruptible sleep in the kernel
[02:37] <Keybuk> sendsigs/killall5 don't handle this
[09:24] <mbiebl> Keybuk: thanks for the explanation


[01:09] <stub> vds: Last time I talked to my legal, I was told I can't bypass the clickthroughs in any way (including things like the Juju licence acceptance feature). However, if you look at the Oracle JRE distribution licence IIRC you can bundle it with software where it is required to make it work or make features work.
[01:10] <stub> vds: My interpretation being you would be able to embed the tarball in your charm or snap, but not in a charm layer. But I didn't put that interpretation to our legal.
[01:13] <stub> vds: If you want to use the Oracle JDK, the Cassandra charm requires the user to download (accepting the licence) and make the tarball available at a configurable URL. This was before Juju resources existed. It is a terrible user experience.
[03:01] <ericj> Ubuntu 16.04 Installed LXD and conjure-up snap packages.
 ran conjure-up kubernetes
 made it all the way to the end and received following error:
 "could not fetch IP addresses and link layer devices: cannot get all ip addreses
 Anyone know how to resolve this?
[07:37] <akshay__> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3nNyg5ZI
[07:37] <akshay__> Need help
[07:45] <akshay__> Charm deployment fails as not able it add repository "cloud-archive:pike"
[07:45] <akshay__> Please see the pastebin for exact error
[08:14] <jryberg> Hi, I just started to play around with Juju and I'm impressed of the simplicity and how easy it is to bootstrap an entire Kubernetes cluster in the cloud. I do however have a question around the entire concept.  If you need to customize the entire kubernetes setup for example. Is this possible or should it only be used "as is". Will settings be ove
[08:14] <jryberg> rwritten during upgrades.  I know it's a hard question to answer but should charms be "fire and forget" or used as a base for further modifications?
[12:29] <elmaciej> Hello Everyone! I'm writing a charm which encapsultes a jar with some spark program. Does anyone knows how can I run action from hadoop-spark charm submit-spark during the deployment of my charm
[12:29] <elmaciej> I need your help charm masters!
[12:37] <kjackal> hi elmaciej, not sure about the masters but I can try to help
[12:37] <kjackal> how do you write your charm? python+reactive?
[12:38] <elmaciej> yes, that was my intention, I'm doing it based on vanilla charm
[12:38] <elmaciej> and to be honest it's first charm I have to write
[12:39] <kjackal> ok, no worries
[12:40] <kjackal> I would suggest you start by building the bigtop spark charm so you get familiar with the toolchain
[12:40] <kjackal> let me grab some links
[12:40] <kjackal> elmaciej: here is the bigtop project that has a number of charm layers. https://github.com/apache/bigtop
[12:41] <kjackal> the spark layers is here: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-packages/src/charm/spark/layer-spark
[12:42] <kjackal> so you should try building that one first. (git clone bigtop; charm build <pathtolayerspark>)
[12:42] <elmaciej> great, will do it now. Thank you very much.
[12:43] <kjackal> now you said you want to run a submit-spark during the deployment. I think you should first have to wait the deployment to finish and then submit a job.
[12:45] <kjackal> elmaciej: there is this action you ca take a look at to see how you can do a spark submit: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/blob/master/bigtop-packages/src/charm/spark/layer-spark/actions/spark-submit
[12:47] <kjackal> your jar can be inside your version of the charm or have it served from a remote location or make use of juju resources https://jujucharms.com/docs/2.1/developer-resources
[12:54] <elmaciej> kjackal : Thanks a lot!
[12:54] <kjackal> gl hf
[16:50] <bdx> kwmonroe: mind if I continue to hassle you about Greylog stuff?
[16:50] <kwmonroe> hassle away bdx!
[16:50] <bdx> I'll just start rattling off in that case
[16:50] <bdx> :)
[16:50] <bdx> 1) SSL
[16:51] <bdx> graylog has instructions for generating a key/cert and setting up ssl at the application/graylog level
[16:51] <bdx> http://docs.graylog.org/en/2.3/pages/configuration/https.html
[16:51] <bdx> its a bit cumbersome, and not really what I would want to go with anyway
[16:52] <bdx> I would rather just deploy an ssl terminating proxy infront of graylog
[16:52] <bdx> with the legit trusted key/cert from my CA
[16:55] <bdx> I'm thinking I should just be able to go ahead and setup the ssl terminating proxy in front of graylog, and forward to the web/api ports - bypassing the graylog ssl setup because terminating 1 hop in front of it
[16:55] <kwmonroe> bdx: agreed that an ssl proxy feels easiest.  GL needs the apache vhost proxy anyway, so just make the apache unit ssl-aware.
[16:55] <bdx> right
[16:56] <bdx> the other thing I was thinking about
[16:56] <bdx> I've used this https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/d587cbf048038fb274ef4cd55c4ee3dd
[16:56] <bdx> for quite some time
[16:57] <bdx> in front of apps that I want to terminate ssl infront of
[16:57] <bdx> I was thinking
[16:58] <bdx> it might be easier to just make the reverseproxy relation for haproxy do the right things to setup the extra frontend/backend for both 9000 on / and 9001 on /api
[16:59] <bdx> then we could kill the apache2 middle man
[16:59] <bdx> I gave the haproxy bits a try
[17:02] <bdx> kwmonroe: https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/b784bfd8779fca668b536332a10be5c1
[17:02] <bdx> my thinking behind ^
[17:02] <bdx> was such that it would just be easier to create the dict in python and just dump it to yaml
[17:03] <bdx> rather then trying to concat a bunch of templated strings inline
[17:03] <bdx> lol
[17:03] <bdx> but what I realized
[17:03] <kwmonroe> bdx: not to dissuade you from haproxy, but did you look at https://jujucharms.com/u/tengu-team/ssl-termination-proxy/?
[17:03] <kwmonroe> it's built with layer-nginx, so might handle the revproxy stuff ootb
[17:03] <kwmonroe> (plus letsencrypt support)
[17:04] <bdx> oh sick
[17:05] <bdx> sweet
[17:05] <bdx> ok, so lets use that as an example instead of haproxy
[17:06] <bdx> well
[17:06] <bdx> kwmonroe: the reason I went with haproxy, is because we have two ports that need forwarding based on the route right?
[17:06] <kwmonroe> i haven't actually used it myself, but i am encouraged that it calls the ngingx.congure_site bits, which i think will auto handle 9000 and 9001/api  bits: https://github.com/tengu-team/layer-ssl-termination-proxy/blob/master/reactive/ssl_termination_proxy.py#L121
[17:06] <bdx> kwmonroe: so this https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/b784bfd8779fca668b536332a10be5c1#file-haproxy_reverseproxy_test-py-L13
[17:06] <bdx> was my little bit of secret sauce
[17:07] <bdx> to accommodate the url route based routing
[17:07] <bdx> default / -> :9000, if /api, -> :9001
[17:09] <kwmonroe> yeah bdx, i *think* graylog is doing the right thing with the http interface: https://git.launchpad.net/graylog-charm/tree/reactive/graylog.py#n322
[17:09] <kwmonroe> that is setting a "services" string for both 9000 / and 9001 /api
[17:10] <kwmonroe> and i *think* the revproxy config_site bits of the nginx layer will do the right thing with those to make them vhost templates for nginx
[17:10] <bdx> https://jujucharms.com/haproxy/
[17:10] <bdx> it so contrived what type the relation data is lol
[17:10] <bdx> look at the last example for multiple backends
[17:10] <bdx> which is what I was trying to follow
[17:11] <bdx> but yeah
[17:11] <kwmonroe> oof, yeah, that example is hard to follow
[17:11] <bdx> the graylog charm is setting the correct type of data .... yaml strings
[17:11] <bdx> yeah
[17:12] <bdx> so you see how my example gist would work if we were just setting a yaml string, or even python types (just pass the dict to the relation)
[17:13] <bdx> it expresses the correct key:val in the data structure
[17:13] <bdx> it just has to get transformed into this crazy thing before it will make any sense to the haproxy / reverseproxy relation
[17:13] <bdx> lo
[17:13] <bdx> 9l
[17:14] <kwmonroe> lo9l fo real
[17:15] <bdx> I feel like building into this "crazy thing" any more then already has been done is just perpetuating the issue here
[17:16] <bdx> issue being the contrived data that the reverseproxy relation is accepting
[17:16] <bdx> it will never be something people will look at and be like "oh ok, I get it"
[17:17] <bdx> even after many hours now
[17:17] <bdx> :)
[17:17] <bdx> but I do get it, it just totally seems like the worst thing in the world
[17:18] <bdx> anyway
[17:18] <bdx> I don't even know where I was going with this
[17:19] <bdx> oh yeah, so I feel we are presented with a few not so great options here
[17:21] <bdx> given this isn't the most common use case, but its a pretty simple reverseproxy configuration that we should be able to support via charms w/o taking a round trip on the event horizon
[17:21] <kwmonroe> heh
[17:22] <bdx> possibly just "making it work" with the reverseproxy is the cheapest way to short term victory with Graylog
[17:23] <bdx> and looking at possibly doing something about the reverseproxy relation in the future
[17:23] <bdx> idk
[17:23] <bdx> possibly other people like it
[17:23] <bdx> I'm really forcing my view here
[17:23] <bdx> ha
[17:23] <bdx> sorry
[17:24] <bdx> but I feel my reasoning is justified
[17:24] <kwmonroe> i think one problem is the complex example in the haproxy charm.  i don't know what those options actually do, but the http interface example for rev proxy seems much simpler: https://github.com/juju-solutions/interface-http#requires
[17:25] <bdx> got it
[17:25] <bdx> ok
[17:26] <bdx> what they do
[17:26] <bdx> is allow you to configure more complex proxying
[17:26] <bdx> https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/b784bfd8779fca668b536332a10be5c1#file-haproxy_reverseproxy_test-py-L13
[17:26] <bdx> ^ takes care of proxying both of the routes
[17:27] <bdx>  / -> 9000 and /api -> 9001
[17:27] <bdx> by using the extra relation data context to configure extended routing/backend
[17:29] <bdx> its only complex because the data type/content isn't understandable
[17:29] <bdx> if was written out like this
[17:29] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26090348/
[17:29] <bdx> and it said, "set the yaml string as relation data"
[17:30] <bdx> lol
[17:30] <bdx> but that (set the yaml string as relation data) isn't even whats going on
[17:30] <bdx> its not even a yaml string
[17:30] <bdx> I still don't know what it is
[21:07] <jose-phillips> hey
[21:07] <jose-phillips> exist a way to put a custom config
[21:07] <jose-phillips> on juju config file
[21:07] <jose-phillips> example i want to add something on the configuration of a charm
[21:07] <jose-phillips> cinder that is not supported on the yaml
[21:08] <bdx> jose-phillips: https://jujucharms.com/cinder/#charm-config-config-flags
[21:08] <jose-phillips> and if i want to add it on a different stanza
[21:10] <bdx> jose-phillips: make a bug report for the cinder charm about that
[21:11] <bdx> jose-phillips: https://bugs.launchpad.net/charm-cinder
[21:13] <jose-phillips> is exactly for this setting
[21:13] <jose-phillips> # A list of backend names to use. These backend names should be backed by a
[21:13] <jose-phillips> # unique [CONFIG] group with its options (list value)
[21:13] <jose-phillips> enable_backends
[21:19] <jose-phillips> also support enable_backends
[21:23] <bdx> jose-phillips: put that in a bug please
[21:24] <bdx> and post the bug back here after you have filed it
[21:47] <jose-phillips> ok bdx thanks
[21:47] <jose-phillips> another question did you know where juju store the containers configuration for openstack
[21:47] <jose-phillips> i need to create glance and cinder interface with 2 interfaces
[21:48] <bdx> jose-phillips: if you are deploying openstack to the lxd provider, you do that through lxd profile modification
[21:48] <jose-phillips> no is kvm
[21:48] <jose-phillips> novakvm
[21:48] <bdx> jose-phillips: so you have maas setup?
[21:48] <jose-phillips> yep
[21:48] <bdx> and you checked a bunch of kvm nodes into your maas?
[21:49] <jose-phillips> yep the deployment is completed on 3 nodes
[21:49] <jose-phillips> for example i dont need ceph
[21:49] <jose-phillips> because im using a netapp storage
[21:49] <jose-phillips> so i take 1 node for controller and 2 for compute
[21:50] <jose-phillips> on the controller node have 2 interfaces , data and storage
[21:50] <jose-phillips> when juju create the containters inside of controller node
[21:50] <jose-phillips> openstack controller node
[21:50] <bdx> jose-phillips: you need to create a feature request tp support netapp storge
[21:51] <jose-phillips> ok
[21:51] <jose-phillips> another question if i modify manually cinder.conf
[21:51] <jose-phillips> when will be overwritted?
[21:51] <jose-phillips> during upgrades only
[21:51] <jose-phillips> or restarting the container may overwrite the configuration
[22:50] <bdx> jose-phillips: modifying the config by hand is not supported in any way
[22:51] <bdx> jose-phillips: the openstack charms will keep persistence of the config files
[22:51] <bdx> modifying it by hand will only cause you grief


[12:52] <mrthraz> has anyone seen a fix for tX yet
[12:54] <astraljava> tX?
[12:55] <mrthraz> terminatorX
[12:55] <astraljava> What's the problem with it?
[12:56] <mrthraz> been crashing on mouse grab since 9.04
[13:04] <mrthraz> tX has been having a problem with the the XGrabPointer() call. triggers a 'BadAccess' error
[13:08] <mrthraz> sorry
[13:09] <astraljava> Has this bug been reported upstream?
[13:10] <astraljava> ...or even in LP?
[13:11] <mrthraz> yes
[13:11] <mrthraz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/terminatorx/+bug/469365
[13:20] <mrthraz> i was trying you use mixxx with a bcd3000 & an ion discover dj but mixxx's scratches sound horrible so i connected a dm2 to both mixxx and tX, using a bcf1010 to switch the midi assessments (you gotta love jack) but tX keeps crashing on me.
[13:21] <astraljava> Apparently upstream isn't too keen on solving the problem, the same bug has been reported already in 2007.
[13:46] <mrthraz> too bad, tX has the best scratch of anything out there open or closed source.
[13:46] <mrthraz> can anything be done?
[13:52] <astraljava> Yeah, keep harassing upstream to fix their product.
[13:56] <astraljava> ...or alternatively get someone to provide a patch that fixes the problem, then apply that for the packaging.
[14:12] <mrthraz> thanks:-[
[14:13] <astraljava> It's not ideal, but it's not a good sign either that upstream hasn't fixed such a grave problem.
[14:43] <tertl3_> warap
[14:46] <mrthraz> warap?
[14:46] <skx> warp? wrap?
[14:47] <mrthraz> war app
[14:52] <astraljava> Don't know what that would be. Dopewars? liquidwar? corewars? C'mon, give us a clue. :D
[14:53] <tertl3_> heh
[14:54] <tertl3_> warap is snaish for whats up
[14:54] <tertl3_> spanish*
[14:54] <tertl3_> you have to roll the 'r'
[14:54] <astraljava> Ahh... okay cool. :) thanks for the education. :)
[14:54] <tertl3_> no worries
[15:07]  * tertl3_ plays sudoku
[19:14] <RemunJ66> missing connections tab to configure my wlan card. Strange... Anyone here who can help me on fixing a wireless connection in Lucid?
[19:18] <RemunJ66> Was looking for an answer on lp but probably gnome system tools aren´t the default install in ubuntu 10.04?
[19:24] <skx> are you using Ubuntu Studio?
[19:27] <RemunJ66> Yes, Ubuntu Studio 10.04. I upgrades this a week ago or so.
[19:28] <skx> what do you want to do?
[19:28] <skx> which wireless card do you use?
[19:28] <skx> which kernel?
[19:28] <skx> have you googled for possible bugs regarding these two?
[19:29] <skx> open terminal
[19:29] <skx> uname -a
[19:29] <RemunJ66> Intel 2200 BG i think
[19:29] <skx> will tell you which kernel you use
[19:29] <skx> lspci
[19:29] <skx> will list pci devices including your wifi card probably
[19:31] <RemunJ66> Linus Acer-laptop 2.6.32-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 13:27:30 UTD 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:32] <RemunJ66> I had to type it in because i started this session on my HP Desktop and my Acer Laptop is not connected all the time.
[19:33] <astraljava> gnome-network-admin is missing an important tab in Lucid, this is a known bug. Should be handled for 10.04.01.
[19:34] <RemunJ66> So i did not have to uninstall anything and try something else? Canonical does not provide updates for Network, i just read on ubuntu software center.
[19:36] <astraljava> RemunJ66: If you have access to the repositories some other way, try downloading NetworkManager with all its dependencies and install them. Be aware that this might have an impact on realtime capabilities, though.
[19:36] <RemunJ66> IPW 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
[19:37] <skx> he uses the generic kernel, astraljava
[19:37] <astraljava> skx: Makes no difference, the generic kernel does have incredible performance these days.
[19:38] <skx> but is not real time
[19:38] <skx> afaik
[19:38] <astraljava> RemunJ66: If not, we just have to figure out how to configure your wireless by /etc/network/interfaces
[19:38] <RemunJ66> Yes, generic kernel because astraljava helped me before on an issue about not having a GUI.
[19:39] <astraljava> skx: Well small enough latency anyway. There's no such thing as perfect realtimeness anyhow.
[19:40] <RemunJ66> Is NetworkManager the new deal?
[19:41] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Not really, but might help in connecting. Ubuntu Studio hasn't wanted to include it in default install because it did have an impact on performance, at least in some previous releases.
[19:43] <RemunJ66> I do not really need the -rt kernel on my laptop, because i am not a -rt performer really. More important is to get a wireless connection and a totally different one: Get a good working driver for Ati mobility radeon x700 PCI Express with 128mb vram :-)
[19:44] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Do you have same arch for the both of your laptops?
[19:45] <RemunJ66> The ati performance looks promising except my most used program Blender 3D makes me crazy at the moment, for as concerned when wording on the laptop. My desktop still uses Blender 3.49a on Karmic Koala (Studio version ofcource)
[19:46] <astraljava> I don't have much knowledge on ATi drivers, sorry, can't help you there.
[19:48] <Draggin> Good evening... I've had a bit of a strange event... I've upgraded to US 10.04 from 9.10 and it went pretty smoothly, except, after I rebooted, I was greeted by the most ghastly splash screen/boot screen.  It's essentially an ASCII version of the standard Ubuntu 10.04 splash screen and I'd very much like to get rid of it.  Excpet, when I try to install USplash in Synaptic, it tells me that it would basically need to uninstall every si
[19:49] <astraljava> Draggin: You got cut off. "need to uninstall every si..."
[19:50] <Draggin> it tells me that it would basically need to uninstall every single other package on my system to avoid dependency breakage... What gives?
[19:51] <astraljava> Draggin: Can you pastebin the message from the package manager, please? Hard to tell without seeing the actual messages.
[19:51] <Draggin> Okay - one minute
[19:51] <RemunJ66> s/n:lxa66050835300d74eem01
[19:51] <RemunJ66> Aspire 1692WLMi
[19:52] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Can you post the results of the command `uname -a`, please? From both laptops.
[19:54] <RemunJ66> i just use one desktop astaljava. Why do u think otherwise???
[19:54] <Draggin> http://imagebin.ca/view/g4AVXb.html
[19:55] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Oh sorry, misread it. What I'm getting at, is that can you download the needed packages with the machine that _is_ connected to the internet, _for_ the one that isn't.
[19:55] <RemunJ66> i thought u were talking about the bottom of my laptop to see for info there, but my slang is not so good you know?!
[19:57] <astraljava> RemunJ66: No. :) I would want to see the output of `uname -a` on both of your machines. If it differs re: arch, you need to download the packages via package.ubuntu.com, instead of apt-get. :)
[19:57] <RemunJ66> Ch.t When i closed the lid and laptop went standby and then i opened.... oops, no desktop... just a few seconds noisy screen and now black again???
[19:58] <Draggin> astraljava... I think I may have found a solution at http://news.softpedia.com/news/How-to-Fix-the-Big-and-Ugly-Plymouth-Logo-in-Ubuntu-10-04-140810.shtml I'm still checking it out, but I'm still wondering... What would cause an attempted installation of USplash to want to remove everything else?
[19:58] <astraljava> Draggin: Can you do `sudo apt-get install usplash-theme-ubuntustudio` in a terminal, please? And pastebin the output of that message.
[19:58] <RemunJ66> no escape but to cold boot up again?
[19:58] <Draggin> I'm scared of issuing that command... :)
[19:58] <Draggin> Wouldn't it just do it anyway then?
[19:58] <astraljava> Draggin: Some kind of conflict with installed meta-packages. Let me see what it says on that page firsrt.
[19:58] <Draggin> And start uninstalling all my other stuff?
[19:58] <astraljava> first*
[20:01] <astraljava> Draggin: Weird, seems it's conflicting with something. Have you installed Ubuntu Studio, or plain Ubuntu vanilla?
[20:01] <Draggin> http://pastebin.org/236976
[20:01] <Draggin> There's the CLI output
[20:01] <Draggin> Nope, I upgraded to Ubuntu Studio 10.04 from Ubuntu Studio 9.10
[20:03] <astraljava> Draggin: That is strange. Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list, please?
[20:03] <Draggin> One moment
[20:04] <Draggin> http://pastebin.org/236977
[20:06] <astraljava> Draggin: Comment out all the karmic lines, and the dvd line at the top, then do `sudo apt-get update`, and then try to install usplash again.
[20:07] <Draggin> Hmmm... I didn't notice that... Lemme see if that does anything good...
[20:09] <RemunJ66> After changing kernel to generic last time i just see a blinking cursor when starting up Lucid and after 30 seconds or so a few seconds colorfull noisy horizontal flickering beams and then the startup tune and finely my peacefull desktop :-)
[20:09] <Draggin> Nope... Gives exactly the same error...
[20:10] <astraljava> Draggin: What's the output of `apt-cache policy usplash`
[20:11] <Draggin> usplash:
[20:11] <Draggin>   Installed: (none)
[20:11] <Draggin>   Candidate: 0.5.51
[20:11] <Draggin>   Version table:
[20:11] <Draggin>      0.5.51 0
[20:11] <Draggin>         500 http://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-archive/ lucid/universe Packages
[20:11] <Draggin>      0.5.49 0
[20:11] <Draggin>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:11] <Draggin> Oops... That was meant to be a one-liner...
[20:11] <Draggin> Sorry
[20:11] <astraljava> Draggin: No problem. :) Just use pastebin for longer messages. :)
[20:12] <astraljava> Draggin: `sudo apt-get install usplash`
[20:12] <Draggin> I already did - like I said, it still gave me the same error as before
[20:13] <astraljava> Draggin: No, not uslash-theme-ubuntustudio, but usplash.
[20:14] <Draggin> oh, my bad
[20:14] <RemunJ66> Coffee time here, some participants??? :) Will be back later i hope. Succes for Draggin and his issue.
[20:15] <astraljava> RemunJ66: Welcome back later. :)
[20:15] <Draggin> Hmmm... That has some interesting output... http://pastebin.org/236987
[20:15] <Draggin> Thanks Remunj66
[20:17] <astraljava> Draggin: Holy crap!
[20:17] <Draggin> Errmmm... Wot? You found the cure for cancer in the output...? :P
[20:17] <astraljava> Draggin: Looks like your install is totally screwed. :D
[20:17] <Draggin> :((
[20:17] <Draggin> Nooooo...
[20:17] <astraljava> Draggin: But we'll get it fixed, don't worry.
[20:18] <Draggin> What could have caused it?
[20:18] <astraljava> Draggin: I suspect the conflicting lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, but am not sure.
[20:19] <astraljava> Draggin: Let me dig up some info for a while, I won't go away until this gets sorted out, promise. :D
[20:19] <Draggin> Hehe, thanks, that's really cool of you
[20:19] <Draggin> I'll go get some tea in the meantime
[20:19] <astraljava> Draggin: Sure thing.
[20:23] <astraljava> Draggin: Need the output of `apt-cache policy lilypond-data`, `apt-cache policy initramfs-tools` and `apt-cache policy upstart`, please.
[20:23] <Draggin> k...
[20:25] <Draggin> lilypond-data: http://pastebin.org/236994 initramfs-tools: http://pastebin.org/236996 upstart: http://pastebin.org/236997
[20:29] <astraljava> Draggin: I'm afraid the mirror you're using isn't completely up-to-date. Can you pastebin the output of `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get full-upgrade`, please?
[20:40] <Draggin> Cracker...
[20:40] <Draggin> Didn't see you responded again..
[20:40] <Draggin> what does 'full-upgrade' do again?
[20:41] <astraljava> Draggin: It attempts to upgrade all packages, including adding new packages, or removing obsolete ones.
[20:42] <Draggin> Okay
[20:42] <Draggin> Here's apt-get update: http://pastebin.org/237024
[20:43] <astraljava> Draggin: That looks like alright to me.
[20:43] <Draggin> Hmm... Can't do full-upgrade... Says it's an invalid operation
[20:43] <astraljava> Draggin: Uhh... weird. Well try `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[20:44] <Draggin> http://pastebin.org/237025
[20:45] <astraljava> Draggin: Okay. After that, try to do `sudo apt-get install usplash` again, and post the output.
[20:46] <Draggin> So I should go through with that one then...?
[20:46] <Draggin> It's still waiting at the prompt for me
[20:46] <astraljava> Draggin: Absolutely.
[20:48] <Draggin> Still waiting for it to complete... Be with you now
[20:48] <astraljava> Draggin: No worries. :)
[21:05] <Draggin> Nope...
[21:05] <Draggin> Still the same issue...
[21:05] <Draggin> Same errormessage
[21:06] <astraljava> Uhh... please pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list again, I need to take a good look at it. In fact, I'm afraid we need to change that for some other mirror.
[21:10] <Draggin> http://pastebin.org/236977
[21:12] <astraljava> Draggin: Is that the same as before? You haven't commented out the dvd line nor the karmic lines.
[21:12] <Draggin> Oops... My bad :) Wrong link
[21:13] <Draggin> http://pastebin.org/237054
[21:13] <Draggin> There's the updated one
[21:17] <astraljava> Draggin: I see nothing wrong with that, so I have to assume that the mirror itself is not fully up-to-date.
[21:17] <Draggin> Okay... Let me try and switch mirrors quickly and see if that helps at all...
[21:23] <Draggin> Okay, hang on - after updating the mirror, what should I do first? apt-get install usplash?
[21:26] <astraljava> Draggin: `sudo apt-get update` is always the first.
[21:26] <astraljava> Draggin: After that, try `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`.
[21:27] <astraljava> Draggin: Only then, try installing separate packages.
[21:27] <Draggin> Yeah, I know about the update bit :) Just after that... Let's see
[21:28] <Draggin> dist-upgrade says there's nothing to do...
[21:28] <Draggin> And usplash still gives the same issue...
[21:31] <Draggin> Seems like it might be time to give it up, at least for today...
[21:35] <astraljava> Draggin: Sorry for the delay, having some connectivity issues.
[21:36] <Draggin> All good...
[21:36] <Draggin> I need to start getting going though - have to go to the market really early tomorrow morning :)
[21:36] <astraljava> Draggin: Can you do `apt-cache policy usplash` now?
[21:36] <astraljava> Oh okay.
[21:36] <Draggin> Thanks very much for all the help though...
[21:37] <astraljava> Draggin: No worries, I'm sorry I couldn't resolve it though.
[21:37] <Draggin> I still can't figure out why this happened, since the site that I chose to update from is a local mirror that duplicates the official Ubuntu repositories on a daily basis...
[21:38] <astraljava> Draggin: There's something really weird going on, but I'm sure once we figure it out we'll get things going.
[21:38] <Draggin> I'll check to see if the other instructions I got do anything, but after looking at it, it seems it might be for a slightly different problem than my root-problem (not having a real splash screen)
[21:40] <astraljava> Draggin: There's something wrong at the foundations level, not being able to install usplash tells me so. But let's continue this again when you have time, I'm sure it will get sorted out.
[21:40] <Draggin> Cool, will do
[21:40] <Draggin> Thanks again :) Chat later!
[21:40] <astraljava> Draggin: Will do. :D Later.


[11:46] <cmaloney> morning and all that
[11:46] <cmaloney> how are things?
[11:47] <Scary_Guy> good
[11:47] <Scary_Guy> sorting tunes
[11:51] <cmaloney> Fun times.
[13:19] <jrwren> autobiographically?
[13:52] <Scary_Guy> Yes, I get that reference; and no, but I can go into deatil if you like
[13:53] <Scary_Guy> all music gets sorted into genres, and then artist - year - track - ## - name.ext
[13:54] <Scary_Guy> I'm finding that to be a bit unmanagable though so I'm taking artists that I have a lot of and sorting them into their own folders
[13:55] <Scary_Guy> so /genre/artist/file.ext instead
[13:55] <jrwren> genre !
[13:55] <jrwren> how do you decide?
[13:55] <jrwren> impossible I say.
[13:55] <jrwren> do you put madonna into techno or pop? or split her albums between both?
[13:55] <Scary_Guy> it's not easy but whatever it sounds to be the most like, that's where I stick it
[13:56] <Scary_Guy> some split, usually she's in pop
[13:56] <jrwren> I fell down a rabbit hole: https://alexpearce.me/2014/05/italics-in-iterm2-vim-tmux/
[13:56] <Scary_Guy> she doesn't belong in the same universe as Kraftwerk, let alone the same directory
[13:57] <cscheib> definitely wouldn't sort by genre for my music
[13:57] <cscheib> but, I just use Spotify now, because it's awesome
[13:57] <cmaloney> About the only genre distinction I use is Jazz and Classical
[13:57] <Scary_Guy> I use this to DJ
[13:57] <cmaloney> and Soundtracks
[13:57] <Scary_Guy> so it helps to have like songs in the same spot
[13:57] <Scary_Guy> I have soundtrack and soundtrack games
[13:58] <cmaloney> (with a special place for Wendy Carlos, Tomita, Steve Roach, Redshift, and Christopher Franke)
[13:58] <jrwren> do you split house from techno? I guess house instead of techno would be more suitable.
[13:59] <Scary_Guy> house gets thrown in with pop, too similar
[13:59] <Scary_Guy> although I'm going to split off the LA hardstyle
[13:59] <jrwren> definitely a 1 man system.
[13:59] <Scary_Guy> trance/gabber/wubstep have their own directory too
[14:00] <jrwren> see... 1 man system. so hard to lump house with pop, but give each of those their own. I'm not knocking it.   Every comedy song was either labeled as "Weird Al" or "Adam Sandler"
[14:03] <cmaloney> 16 volt, Bjork, and Neurosis
[14:03] <Scary_Guy> There's a whole rant about the "electronic" genre
[14:03] <Scary_Guy> 16v!
[14:05] <Scary_Guy> I also have a 9600 line text document of music I still need to find
[14:05] <Scary_Guy> and that's just the main document too, there are others
[14:05] <Scary_Guy> (lots of info overlaps but I'd rather have extra information than lose some)
[14:22] <Scary_Guy> bbl, sleep