[00:14] <quackgyver> My keyboard's keys randomly stop working.
[00:15] <quackgyver> Right now the tag key (<>) won't work, which prevents me from coding.
[00:15] <quackgyver> What do I do to fix it?
[00:15] <quackgyver> And how do I figure out what's causing it?
[00:16] <InPhase> quackgyver: I have had this problem, and it was due to the keyboard cable being compressed too much where the fold in the cable was.  I resolved it by opening up the laptop and inserting a thin roll of poster putty into the fold of the keyboard cable, and then reassembling the laptop.  This resolved the bending radius issue with the cable, and I've had zero problems since.
[00:18] <InPhase> Any sort of material with the appropriate physical properties can be shoved in there.  If you want a hint as to whether or not this is the problem, it's more likely to be true if you ever notice the problem depending on the flex in the laptop, or depending on pressure on the top of the laptop.  It might also be accompanied by a thermal dependence.
[00:20] <InPhase> I think it has become a much more common problem as they keep trying to shrink these laptops down and squish everything tight.  Electricity does not like very tight 180 degree turns very much.
[01:30] <balticsunrise> i made a mistake with do-release-upgrade from 20.04, can someone please advise me how to reset my sources and do the right upgrade to 22.04?
[01:32] <Bashing-om> balticsunrise: There is no Go-back button. All we can do is try and fix what is.
[01:33] <balticsunrise> yeah, i ctrl+c terminated it when i found out it was upgrading to impish and now my sources list got messed up and i cant edit the entries
[01:34] <balticsunrise> should i be trying to manually edit the files in /etc/apt to remove references to impish and back to focal?
[01:34] <InPhase> balticsunrise: Here are the non-commented lines in my sources.list for 22.04:  https://bpa.st/BE3Q
[01:35] <InPhase> You do not actually need to go through impish.
[01:36] <balticsunrise> InPhase: thanks, so i can just change the distribution codename in text editor to jammy and it will take care of the rest?
[01:36] <balticsunrise> when i run apt update && upgrade it complains there are multiple entries and it wont let me edit them in software & updates
[01:38] <InPhase> balticsunrise: Well the old method prior to the invention of do-release-upgrade was to just update the sources.list and do an apt-get dist-upgrade.  It appears to still be available as "apt full-upgrade", so I would try editing the file, then do an apt update, then do the apt full-upgrade.
[01:40] <balticsunrise> InPhase: okay, so i should invoke gedit with sudo to do that?
[01:40] <balticsunrise> seems to glitch out and fail to display correctly whenever i do that btw
[01:41] <InPhase> Sure.  But sincere advice, make a backup copy of any file in /etc/ before you edit it unless you are 100% confident in what you're doing.  It increases the odds that you can recover from errors.
[01:41] <InPhase> You mean that gedit is malfunctioning?
[01:41] <InPhase> There are many other editors, but you're down to choosing between whichever ones you have installed when your sources.list is messed up.
[01:42] <balticsunrise> yes, gedit won't display correctly. also i can't boot from usb or livecd so if this build gets screwed up there's no way back afaik
[01:46] <balticsunrise> it would really help if i could boot the livecd and do a fresh install but i don't know why it won't but it just skips to the next device in the boot priority
[01:51] <arraybolt3> balticsunrise: You probably have nano available on your system. It's a text editor that runs in the command line, and I have yet to see an Ubuntu system without it, so try "sudo nano" rather than "sudo gedit".
[01:52] <balticsunrise> arraybolt3: i'll try that thanks
[01:55] <arraybolt3> Also, with the bit about "skipping to the next device in the boot priority", you might be able to make your system boot from a live USB by using the UEFI boot menu. Just hit "Esc" (or whatever key your system tells you to use) during early boot to get to some boot options. One of them should be a boot menu. Select that, then select your USB drive from the list. (Note that the USB drive will need to be plugged in when you do this.)
[01:56] <balticsunrise> arraybolt3: i think its an old chipset/bios that doesn't support UEFI or usb boot? but i could get it to boot the livecd once earlier, but it failed to launch the graphical installer and dropped to a command line error. i can't even get it that far now...
[01:59] <arraybolt3> Can you burn a new DVD and try using that? You might also try cleaning the lens of your DVD drive with a little bit of rubbing alcohol (while you're system is off, of course, and let everything dry for 15 minutes before turning it back on if you do this).
[02:03] <balticsunrise> i don't think it's the dvd or the reader, i also burnt boot-repair-disk.iso and plop boot manager to dvds...the boot-repair disk just skips to the next boot priority the same as the ubuntu livecd, and i can get the plop cd to bootstrap into ventoy but it fails to launch any of the isos from there, stuck on a blank screen with a flashing "_" cursor
[02:04] <balticsunrise> plop cd -> ubuntu liveusb made with rufus just skips the same as well
[02:46] <balticsunrise> thanks again for the tips!
[02:49] <cluelessperson> this latest ubuntu lts install is crashing randomly
[02:49] <cluelessperson> weird
[02:49] <cluelessperson> pulling me out of docker containers
[02:49] <cluelessperson> killing my user session
[02:50] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Did you checksum the downloaded image?  What hardware are you running it from?
[02:51] <cluelessperson> jhutchins, torrent software does that automatically, and from a Lenovo thinkpad x1 yoga 4th gen
[02:52] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: I meant like DVD or USB.
[02:52] <jhutchins> I still think you should checksum the final image.  Torrent software is not infalible, and it sounds like you might have multiple errors if it's crashing randomly.
[02:53] <jhutchins> That or a hardware problem.
[02:53] <cluelessperson> I don't think it's an image issue.
[02:54] <InPhase> cluelessperson: Did you check the tail end of the syslog right at the points of crashing?
[02:55] <InPhase> Sometimes that will point you in the right direction to poke.
[02:55] <InPhase> Check a few instances to see if the pattern is consistent.
[03:04] <leftyfb> dmesg is also useful
[03:04] <leftyfb> I would run a memory check as well
[03:10] <balticsunrise> update, i seem to have gotten myself into more trouble with dependencies now...there were hundreds of packages held back and so they apparently stayed on focal release versions, i ran dist-upgrade to fix it but i just read its probably removing packages it shouldn't now?
[03:12] <balticsunrise> i tried to open gedit to save the output from the command line but it crashed on opening, then i opened libreoffice and i got "invalid problem report: no such file or directory" and the whole system has now frozen during the dist-upgrade still in progress
[03:13] <balticsunrise> if i reboot am i going to end up with the system in an unrecoverable state?
[03:21] <balticsunrise> okay i got a terminal back, can anyone please suggest what might be the best thing to run from the terminal now to repair the situation?
[03:41] <ahc> balticsunrise it seems you're in a similar position to myself. Haven't tried gedit yet. Sorry I can't help.
[03:44] <ahc> Question. I'm at tty2, lost the Gnome Desktop, I've mounted a USB ram stick, but can't copy to it Permission Denied. Strange thing is sudo chown aa:aa /media/usb32  says Operation not permitted. Grr. I just want to copy some files over.
[03:45] <ahc> Will try a sudo cp *.txt /media/usb32   see if that works
[03:46] <arraybolt3_> balticsunrise: At this point, things sound extremely broken, and I really don't know what would help. Do you have any other computers with a 64-bit CPU?
[03:47] <ahc> Yes, that worked. What a drama. I seem not to be able to chown of the USB dir. Mbe I should chown the actual device /dev/sda1
[03:47] <arraybolt3_> ahc: Your chown isn't working most likely because of FAT32.
[03:48] <arraybolt3_> ahc: Chown'ing the actual device probably wouldn't do what you wanted, and it might open a security hole (though I'm not entirely sure about that).
[03:48] <ahc> OK arraybolt3_
[03:48] <arraybolt3_> ahc: FAT32 filesystems don't support UNIX permissions like file owner. The ownership depends on how you mount the drive. If you used "sudo mount", only root will have access to it.
[03:48] <arraybolt3_> There's a command to mount it as a standard user, but I don't remember it.
[03:49] <ahc> Understood. I'll hit the 'net for that one. It must have been done before.
[03:50] <arraybolt3_> Actually, I just found it. Add "-o umask=000" to your mount command.
[03:53] <ahc> Yes, I got this, so, that's good. We'll give it a try.  $ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/USB -o [securityoption]
[03:54] <arraybolt3> Nice, looks good. (As an aside, -o allows you to specify various options, umask just appears to be one of them.)
[03:57] <ahc> Wow. That works well. Great.
[07:24] <barg> if I type various commands and get various outputs e.g. suppose one of them is $ls<ENTER> and get some output. Is there a log file that stores both the commands and the output?
[07:25] <lotuspsychje> barg: history will log your typed commands in terminal
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> not sure if outputs can be logged
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> you can save an outout though
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> *output
[07:27] <barg> that'd be on a command by command basis though, adjusting the command to output to some file
[07:28] <biapy> barg: you may want to try on #bash
[07:28] <barg> ok, thanks
[07:38] <cluelessperson> my laptop's wifi is lagging every  minute or so
[07:38] <cluelessperson> it's making it very difficult to test things remotely on the rpi
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> cluelessperson: ubuntu release, kernel version and wifi chipset please?
[07:43] <cluelessperson> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, linux-image-5.15.0-25-generic, 00:14.3 Network controller: Intel Corporation Cannon Point-LP CNVi [Wireless-AC] (rev 11)
[07:43] <cluelessperson> lotuspsychje, ^
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> update your system to latest first please cluelessperson
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | cluelessperson
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> should be kernel 5.15.0-33-generic by now
[07:48] <cluelessperson> lotuspsychje, apt upgrade doesn't seem to be doing that
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> cluelessperson: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[07:49] <cluelessperson> it's just updating gzip
[08:04] <cluelessperson> okay, "software updater" bugging you ever 5 minutes to update is annoying
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> cluelessperson: always keep your system up to date, less annoyances
[08:07] <cluelessperson> lotuspsychje, Intel Wireless-AC 9560, 802.11ac Dual Band 2x2 Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 5.1
[08:07] <cluelessperson> lotuspsychje, I do, but I don't need dumb popups when I'm using ansible to perform apt update often
[08:09] <greengecko> Hello I've noticed that The Ubuntu gives me an error at the moment
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> cluelessperson: after reboot into your new kernel version, test your wifi some time, if you keep having lags, ask again in this channel
[08:09] <greengecko> 503 Service Unavailable
[08:09] <greengecko> No server is available to handle this request.
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> greengecko: where do you get that?
[08:10] <greengecko> Ubuntu website Ubuntu.com
[08:10] <greengecko> its down it seems
[08:10] <cluelessperson> lotuspsychje, I'm confused why a reboot is needed.
[08:10] <cluelessperson> lotuspsychje, linux uses live patching for the most part now
[08:38] <Maik> cluelessperson: if you activated the livepatch yes, but in some cases you still need to reboot
[08:39] <Maik> plus the live patch is only available on LTS releases
[08:42] <Maik> livepatches are only useful to workstations & companies imho, not the regular home users
[08:45] <Maik> Oh, i forgot to mention that only main Ubuntu LTS releases have the livepatch option, not the other flavors.
[08:48] <cluelessperson> Maik, apparently Canonical is paywalling livepatching for ubuntu behind a subscription
[08:48] <cluelessperson> What the fuck.
[08:49] <cluelessperson> What sort of trash is this. https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch
[08:49] <Maik> cluelessperson: livepatches are available to everyone and please mind the language a bit :)
[08:49] <cluelessperson> "Livepatch is included in Ubuntu Pro and Ubuntu Advantage. "
[08:50] <Maik> cluelessperson: "Free for personal use:Anyone can use UA-I Essential for free on up to 3 machines, or 50 if you are an official Ubuntu Community member."    https://ubuntu.com/advantage#livepatch
[08:51] <cluelessperson> "Personal and community subscriptions are available at no charge"
[08:51] <cluelessperson> How about they just not do this sorta mickey mouse crap.
[08:51]  * cluelessperson moves on to testing wifi
[08:53] <cluelessperson> yeah, wifi is still lagging out
[09:19] <decompilexe> Hello
[09:20] <luna> hi
[09:21] <cluelessperson> sup
[09:22] <alocer> Hello Guys, anyone knows what is the repo for building ubuntu ISO images ?
[09:23] <alocer> live-build seems really old on ubuntu repo's, it seems I should use debian bullseye for creating a customized version of jammy?
[09:36] <tomreyn> alocer: https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu-image
[09:37] <tomreyn> i'm not sure whether this is actually used for building the installer / live ISOs, but those do contain an image which is just extracted to the target.
[09:37] <alocer> tomreyn: this is for building the cloud images. thank for mentioning this.
[09:44] <cluelessperson> my wifi is atrocious
[09:50] <Maik> cluelessperson: not much we can do about it so to keep on complaining about it isn't really helping either. Maybe Jeremy31 knows how to solve it if he's around.
[09:50] <cluelessperson> I need to sleep.  thanks though
[10:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:30] <luna> hi
[11:13] <brk> Pipol! can someone please help me sort out modules drivers and whatever is needed for my sound card to be found and get some sound from the speakers
[11:13] <brk> https://pastebin.com/X6z9xPtn
[11:16] <tomreyn> brk: your ubuntu release, kernel version, audio chipset + codec are?
[11:17] <Maik> brk: didn't you get it solved yesterday?
[11:17] <brk> 22.04, Linux core 5.15.0-33-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 18 13:34:26 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:17] <brk> Maik, nope :/
[11:19] <tomreyn> your paste shows only HDMI audio devices, is this what you intend to use?
[11:20] <tomreyn> if you don't know about the hardware, running alsa-info and uploading the output should help
[11:20] <brk> tomreyn, no sound / dummy sound
[11:21] <tomreyn> that's another useful bit of information, but far from a full picture. ;)
[11:22] <brk> https://pastebin.com/KvPT4Gyg
[11:22] <brk> May 29 11:54:17 core pulseaudio[10516]: Failed to load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id="0" name="pci-0000_00_1f.3-platform-skl_hda>
[11:24] <brk> I don't know how to investigate and what autputs to look for. I am super lame new to linux
[11:29] <BluesKaj> brk, there used to be a bug that's never been tatally fixed with intel audio, the driver fails to on boot, perhaps sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel and reboot might work. If the there's no output from that command then the driver loaded properly.
[11:30] <brk> let me see
[11:30] <brk> no output
[11:30] <BluesKaj> ok, try a reboot now
[11:30] <brk> ok
[11:32] <brk> rebooted
[11:33] <BluesKaj> also make sure automute is disabled in alsamixer
[11:33] <brk> sound worked on win 11 (thats how i bought it) then installed 22.04 and worked as well. Somewhere something happened and no sound
[11:33] <brk> let me see
[11:34] <brk> https://ibb.co/6NNxCwV
[11:35] <ogra> "thats how i bought it" <-- can you be more specific what "it" is ? (laptop, desktop, brand, model etc)
[11:35] <brk> ogra, huawei d15
[11:38] <brk> do you need some info from alsamixer of asound/ version, cards, devices, oss devices, timers, pcm
[11:39] <Maik> keep in mind that Windows isn't Linux and vice versa. What "works" on Windows doesn't need to "work" on Linux persé.
[11:39] <brk> Maik, yeah, but it all wokred on both OS
[11:40] <Maik> try booting from a older kernel and see if it works
[11:40] <Maik> if so then file a bug report on the matter
[11:40] <brk> and all changes or installs I did after ubuntu was securty wise procedures (like the usual rkhunter, ufw settings, vpn, apparmor, fail2ban etc)
[11:41] <brk> Maik, ok, which older kernal version would you recommend?
[11:41] <Maik> the one that worked for you before
[11:41] <brk> it is the one I am using now, 5.15
[11:42] <ogra> do you have the "firmware-sof-signed" package installed ?
[11:42] <brk> could it be possible if I install windows 11, maybe it will fix the drivers and then install again ubuntu 22.04?
[11:42] <Maik> brk: probably 5.15.0-25
[11:42] <brk> ogra, I am not sure, how do I check?
[11:42] <ogra> "dpkg -l | grep firmware-sof"
[11:43] <Maik> brk: drivers in windows do not have any influence on Ubuntu or any other distro
[11:43] <brk> Maik ok, im currently with <IP_ADDRESS>, will try 0-25
[11:44] <brk> ogra, its signed
[11:44] <brk> brk@core:~$ dpkg -l | grep firmware-sof
[11:44] <brk> ii  firmware-sof-signed                        2.0-1ubuntu3                            all          Intel SOF firmware - signed
[11:44] <brk> brk@core:~$
[11:44] <ogra> doe it say "ii" at the start of the line ?
[11:44] <ogra> ah
[11:44] <brk> yep
[11:46] <brk> I see a lot suggestions about "pulseaudio -d" that is placed in startup - but I can't find it.
[11:46] <ogra> pulse only consumes the driver ... yur prob lies lower
[11:46] <ogra> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1243369/sound-card-not-detected-ubuntu-20-04-sof-audio-pci
[11:46] <ogra> that thread has some suggestions
[11:47] <brk> ogra, I didn't try this threat. Will do now, thanks
[11:53] <ogra> but there seems to also be https://github.com/thesofproject/linux/issues/3248 ... which indicates that you'll probably have to wait until the kernel/alsa fully support it
[11:56] <brk> ogra, in my case aplay -l beofre changing the suggested line in /etc/default/grub, showed me three devices HDMI, and card 0 on all. After changing the line in the file ... now aplay -l shows 11 HDMI devices, subdevices 0 and card 0 on all
[11:57] <brk> ill try with older kernal
[12:04] <brk> kernal 5.15-25 failing the load, bad shim signure
[12:05] <brk> installed this one https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.15.25/amd64/
[12:07] <Maik> brk: you're not supposed to install kernels through that PPA as was told yesterday
[12:07] <Maik> you're doing it wrong
[12:07] <brk> Maik, can you please let me know where from ...
[12:07] <Maik> the official repo, what else
[12:07] <brk> I tought thi sis official
[12:08] <Maik> as was told yesterday, no
[12:08] <brk> ah I see now, this is mainline .... meaning for testing only
[12:08] <Maik> indeed
[12:09] <Maik> you should have older kernels installed already on your system, at least one if it's a 22.04 clean install
[12:09] <Maik> you should be able to select the older kernel from grub when booting
[12:10] <BluesKaj> !ppa | brk
[12:13] <brk> Maik, but all kernal versions I find are Mainline, where do I get official legit and stable kernal version.
[12:14] <Maik> brk: in the official repo using sudo apt install whateverthepackagesnameis
[12:14] <brk> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/
[12:14] <brk> is it from ubuntu-stable?
[12:15] <Maik> brk: but again: you should be able to select the older kernel from grub when booting
[12:15] <Maik> brk: sigh... not from there...
[12:16] <brk> by the way all kernal versions showing on grub are mainline and non are loading. Only the 5.18 version loads up
[12:16] <Maik> brk: sudo apt install linux-image-5.15.0-25-generic
[12:16] <Maik> that's how it's done
[12:17] <brk> oh okay
[12:17] <Maik> brk: we told you not to use the mainline kernels
[12:19] <Maik> brk: re-install might be the best option, don't update and see if the sound works. Then check which kernel you use with uname -r
[12:19] <brk> linux-image-5.15.0-25-generic is already the newest version (5.15.0-25.25)
[12:19] <Maik> and stop installing kernels from that mainline ppa
[12:20] <Maik> if -25 is installed you should be able to boot from it
[12:20] <brk> but it loads 5.15.0-33, as 5.15.0-25 doesnt load, bad shim signiture
[12:20] <brk> I will try now
[12:21] <Maik> brk: i guess you bricked it because you fooled around with your system by installing stuff from elsewhere.
[12:22] <brk> Maik, thank you. the new official kernal loaded up now. The other <IP_ADDRESS> couldnt load
[12:23] <brk> Maik, I hope its not bricked. I guess will install windows 11 back and return the laptop as faulty
[12:23] <Maik> brk: remove all the mainline kernels you installed and purge that mainline PPA
[12:23] <brk> ok
[12:23] <Maik> brk: ok, your choice. Good luck. :)
[12:29] <brk> :)
[12:31] <Guest8510>  my current Dell R10 with a 3090 running linux and playing day of defeat, the Nvidia card runs 40C hotter.... under windows 10 it never goes above 34C.... and the AMD CPU, 2 cores under linux are maxed out, while on win 10 utilizes about 30 % of a couple cores.
[12:31] <Guest8510> So the card runs at just over 80C while playing a game on linux... is that normal?
[12:31] <brk> Thank you Maiik, now I have removed all kernals and left only the signed one
[12:31] <brk> brk@core:~$ dpkg --list | grep linux-image
[12:31] <brk> ii  linux-image-5.15.0-25-generic 5.15.0-25.25 amd64  Signed kernel image generic
[12:47] <oehman> good morning
[12:48] <oehman> went past 1:30 am last night
[13:48] <Jyan> Hello :>
[14:00] <VIA> hi all!
[14:01] <VIA> how do i install 'blueman' on 20.04 if at the firts step i get the following error: https://privnote.com/WoYzsDq3#4pu6cpcuo
[14:02] <VIA> short "... is configured multiple times in .../sources.list:2 and ...list:50" -> bm has no installation candidate
[14:02] <leftyfb> VIA: step #1: fix the problem it tells you about a
[14:02] <VIA> sorry i didnt get that
[14:02] <leftyfb> fix the duplicate lines
[14:03] <VIA> if i knew how to, i wouldnt be asking here u know
[14:03] <leftyfb> cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:03] <leftyfb> post the URL here so we can see your sources.list
[14:03] <VIA> .?
[14:04] <leftyfb> via, in a terminal , type:   cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:04] <leftyfb> VIA: it will spit out a URL, post the URL here
[14:06] <VIA> aye
[14:07] <VIA> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/gm40
[14:08] <leftyfb> VIA: you have a pretty messed up sources.list. Why are most things commented out?
[14:08] <tomreyn> that's a weird sources.list
[14:08] <VIA> at some point i removed all bluetooth related stuff icould find because the system became prone to crashes after using a bt 5.0 dongle, which never worke in the firts place
[14:09] <VIA> leftyfb: again, no idea what ur talking out
[14:09] <VIA> ... "commented out" ???
[14:09] <ravage> the # at the first position
[14:09] <VIA> i dont feel were getting closer to me removing one of the 2 sources
[14:10] <leftyfb> VIA: give me a moment
[14:10] <VIA> what about it ravage
[14:10] <leftyfb> VIA: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/k3yHhSqHCm/
[14:11] <ravage> VIA: try these commands and see if it fixes your problem https://p.haxxors.com/f86sb1ya.txt
[14:11] <leftyfb> via sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list ~/sources.list.backup
[14:11] <leftyfb> VIA: then replace the entire contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list with the contents of what I posted
[14:12] <tomreyn> curl -s https://termbin.com/gm40 | nl -ba
[14:12] <leftyfb> tomreyn: ?
[14:13] <tomreyn> this shows how lines 2 and 50 cover the same
[14:13] <tomreyn> as indicated by he message
[14:13] <tomreyn> as indicated by the warning message
[14:13] <VIA> again no clue where to start
[14:13] <tomreyn> it doesn't solve the generally broken sources.list file, though
[14:14] <leftyfb> VIA: ravage's command in his pastebin should work
[14:15] <leftyfb> or use mine:   sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list ~/sources.list.backup && sudo wget -O /etc/apt/sources.list https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/k3yHhSqHCm/plain/ && sudo apt update
[14:15] <VIA> this ok so 3, 3 commands right?
[14:15] <VIA> ill give it a shot
[14:17] <VIA> well its running
[14:17] <tomreyn> VIA: for the future, please note that editing /etc/apt/sources.list is not a suitable approach to "remove all bluetooth related stuff" nor to prevent that "the system became prone to crashes after using a bt 5.0 dongle, which never worked in the first place"
[14:18] <tomreyn> better come here and ask for help with the original issue when such things occur
[14:18] <tomreyn> i have a feeling that this happened before?
[14:19] <VIA> so now it tells me 311 packages can be upgraded
[14:19] <leftyfb> VIA: right, who knows how long you've had a broken system
[14:20] <leftyfb> VIA: this messed up sources.list has probably causing lots of problems
[14:21] <ravage> please upgrade all your packages :)
[14:23] <VIA> yup been getting wierd error here and then
[14:23] <s> Hey everyone!
[14:24] <VIA> 311 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. .. tell me how to see them. how do i upgrade them ?
[14:24] <leftyfb> VIA: sudo apt full-upgrade
[14:24] <VIA> ty leftyfb !
[14:25] <VIA> should i take any precautions ?
[14:25] <VIA> closing down software etc ?
[14:25] <leftyfb> nope
[14:25] <ravage> a reboot after the upgrades may be a good idea
[14:35] <VIA> how come the repositories when i open up this software+updating GUI thingy, have not changed at all ?
[14:35] <leftyfb> VIA: what exactly is the "software+updating GUI thingy"?
[14:36] <leftyfb> VIA: can you screenshot it or take a picture with your phone?
[14:38] <PeGaSuS> probably the "Software Updater" application?
[14:38] <VIA> no sht
[14:39] <VIA> https://i.postimg.cc/YST79W5K/updatethingy.jpg
[14:39] <leftyfb> VIA: that is showing 3rd party repo's that you added which are in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[14:39] <ogra> this is the additional software sources
[14:40] <ogra> (and canonical partner is just empty since quite a while, partners use snaps nowadays)
[14:40] <ogra> (... i.e. you can just uncheck it)
[14:40] <leftyfb> VIA: click on the "Ubuntu Software tab"
[14:40] <VIA> hmhm i dont like snap*
[14:40] <leftyfb> it's probably there that you messed with disabling repo's
[14:41] <leftyfb> at one point
[14:41] <leftyfb> lets not get into snap-hate. It's getting really old
[14:41] <ogra> (and irrational 🙂 )
[14:41] <leftyfb> VIA: either way, you should be fine now. Don't go messing with your repo's unless you know what you are doing
[14:41] <VIA> you said hate, not me, and again i have no clue what ur talking about, luckyfor me this time
[14:42] <VIA> it finishe the upgrade but at the end thers a lot of funky stuff
[14:42] <leftyfb> "funky stuff" is not a good way to troubleshoot
[14:42] <leftyfb> VIA: pastebin the messages please
[14:45] <VIA> eg hinting at "possible firmware missing"
[14:45] <VIA> yea im copying all the output after upgrade cmd
[14:47] <VIA> this is the full process -> https://pastebin.com/pwLhwD3b
[14:48] <VIA> the last 30-40 lines or so seem funky
[14:48] <leftyfb> there's nothing wrong with the last lines
[14:48] <leftyfb> it's either still going or you didn't pastebin the very end
[14:49] <VIA> no i posted the very end.
[14:50] <VIA> anyhow ill give it a boot leftyfb what u think :>
[14:50] <leftyfb> sure
[14:50] <VIA> cya soon sir and thxalot so far leftyfb <3
[15:04] <VIA> leftyfb: looks like it worked alright thanks again
[15:35] <daulphin[m]> Hello, is this a live chat? Can I expect help here please?
[15:40] <kostkon> daulphin[m], yes and yes
[15:41] <kostkon> !details | daulphin[m]
[15:45] <daulphin[m]> Ok, thank you ubottu> I am writing everything
[15:46] <daulphin[m]> I am experiencing a weird situation, I am not able to connect to my vpn since I have upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04:
[15:46] <daulphin[m]> I get a connection when executing a Terminal connection command ie.: "openvpn --config filename.ovpn"
[15:46] <daulphin[m]> I get an "Activation of Network Connection failed" error when switching-on the VPN profile from Network setting GUI.
[15:46] <daulphin[m]> Any suggestion please ?
[15:46] <daulphin[m]> Here is my log
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[15:56]  * daulphin[m] uploaded an image: (82KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QJNtyifexTpIyuADCNZajxlf/Network-screenshot.png >
[16:00] <daulphin[m]> When I use Terminal command: openvpn --config filename.ovpn
[16:00] <daulphin[m]> I get the connection and this is the output
[16:00] <daulphin[m]> 2022-05-29 17:58:23 Outgoing Control Channel Authentication: Using 256 bit message hash 'SHA256' for HMAC authentication... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a587321e318d611e6daffa2decdad2c41e920bc6)
[16:23] <daulphin[m]> Any suggestion please ?
[16:28] <brkco> i-garrison, Maik, ogra  .. after installing win11 and ran all updates the sound got back.
[16:29] <brkco> will be getting back to ubuntu 22.04 now and hopefully will have sound again and wont be touching shady kernals anyore :D
[16:31] <brkco> now I wonder, is it possible to make bootable ubuntu on encrypted usb drive?
[16:31] <i-garrison> brkco: you mean it's back even after cold boot? in that case this is likely system firmware update applied that fixed it
[16:32] <brkco> its seems so
[16:33] <i-garrison> that's on the weirdest side of heisenbugs
[16:33] <brkco> interesting is that I tried first with windows 10 LTSE and after the updates the sound still wasn't working. Then installed win 11 and the updates did what they did
[16:34] <i-garrison> brkco: maybe worth exploring if laptop maker provides a way to update firmware in windows-free environment
[16:34] <brkco> i-garrison, this is exactly what I am going to do after dinner, haven't eaten for 7 hours !
[16:35] <i-garrison> brkco: just to double check, are you sure you did cold boot directly to ubuntu? that is, reboot windows, power off, and then boot ubuntu directly
[16:36] <brkco> no no, I just removed ubuntu, installed windows 10 ltse and then installed windows 11, now will be installing ubuntu again (pretty sure the sound will work again)
[16:36] <frickler> daulphin[m]: not sure if related, but there are multiple issues still pending, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openvpn/+bug/1975574
[16:37] <oerheks> kinetic = 22.10, the beta
[16:38] <i-garrison> brkco: try checking sound via booting ubuntu livecd - you do not need to install it for the test; try rebooting to livecd without powering off, and then with powering off and compare results
[16:38] <brkco> i-garrison, oh right, that's great advise
[16:39] <brkco> now I have to figure out whether is possible to make bootable ubuntu on a usb that is encrypted
[16:39] <i-garrison> brkco: while in live environment, if you have 'pa-info' there do pastebin that if possible; or at least collect 'aplay -L' which is shorter but you will notice a difference (should be more playback devices than just a few digital outputs)
[16:40] <brkco> I will check both pa info and aplay -L and will pastebin them
[16:40] <i-garrison> brkco: you probably just need spare usb flash for livecd
[16:40] <yaglu> is anyone on dwm?....im using that rt now hoping it would reduce my memory footprint...but even though dwm takes up only about 5-10mb of memory...xorg is taking around 200megs...
[16:41] <i-garrison> brkco: I do not get the point about encrypted :)
[16:41] <brkco> i-garrison, thats sad if thats the case. I should have encrypted just part of the usb drive and not all. It is 64GB SAMSUNG awesome usb drive and I hope I don't brick it
[16:42] <i-garrison> brkco: better to be safe, find another one
[16:42] <brkco> I will just use the one that has win11 on it, it is what it is
[16:43] <hresco3> .
[16:44] <hresco3> I have used snap to install a couple of applications.  How do I now make those applications accessible from my menu?
[17:12] <arraybolt3> brkco: How exactly did you encrypt the drive? BitLocker? VeraCrypt? LUKS? Or does it support hardware encryption of some sort?
[17:15] <jhutchins> Renaming the cron file worked.
[17:26] <tomreyn> daulphin[m]: try adding a new openvpn connection profile using nmcli on the CLI. you can import an existing .ovpn / .conf openvpn configuration file there.
[17:27] <tomreyn> the (a?) fatal error related to your current profile appears to be: "Insufficient key material or header text not found in file '[[INLINE]]' (0/128/256 bytes found/min/max)"
[17:27] <tomreyn> seems seems to state that your current client key material is not found or not usable.
[17:56] <hresco3> I have used snap to install a couple of applications.  How do I now make those applications accessible from my menu?  And by menu, I guess I mean the launcher.
[17:57] <brkcore> still no sound on ubuntu 22.04
[17:59] <brkcore> I know its not a bug, because I had sound before
[18:00] <enigma9o7[m]> hresco: they should be there already, part of installing the snap adds the desktop file.  Perhaps restart your desktop (logout ad login) to be sure?
[18:00] <i-garrison> brkcore: some time in the past there was a change to hda driver which turned on "new" implementation; so if you had sound working before and did an upgrade that could be it; just file a bug and see what comes out of it
[18:01] <i-garrison> brkcore: sound working in windows does not count :)
[18:01] <hresco3> brkcore: try an `audiopulse -k`; maybe it is `pulseaudio -k`, I never can remember which.
[18:02] <hresco3> enigma9o7: thanks.  thought I might of tried that.  But perhaps not yet.
[18:03] <brkcore> i-garrison, I will
[18:04] <brkcore> maybe I have to try another kernal then. at the moment im with Linux core 5.15.0-33-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 18 13:34:26 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:05] <kzoli> hi
[18:05] <hresco3> once the menu is installed, though, where should I expect to see the menu files?
[18:05] <enigma9o7[m]> ~/.local/share/applications
[18:06] <kzoli> i get this error when booting my laptop: ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\_SB.PCI0.XHC.RHUB.HS06._UPC], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20210730/dswload2-326)
[18:06] <brkcore> atleast I have sound through bluetooth on the headphones
[18:06] <kzoli> 5.15.0-33-generic
[18:08] <kzoli> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS
[18:10] <hresco3> thank you enigma9o7++
[18:10] <hresco3> JzA!
[18:13] <hresco3> So, enigma9o7.  I am not seeing the three apps I installed using snap represented in that path, although some others are.  Should they already be there?  Is this a bug which should be filed against the packages?  Or do they only get copied in after I log out and log back in?
[18:17] <jhutchins> fa
[18:17] <rob0> so la ti do
[18:18] <tomreyn> kzoli: that's a bios bug, you can try to find an updated bios for your computer. running    journalctl -b | grep DMI:     should tell your model and current bios version
[18:20] <jhutchins> kzoli: Besides the message, are there any symptoms of something not working?
[18:21] <kzoli> everything is working
[18:23] <kzoli> desktop file is located in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications fro snapd applications, i think
[18:23] <kzoli> *for
[18:24] <webchat8> so a while ago i was trying to install katoolin which involved me adding the kali ppa, today I was excited to upgrade to 22.04. and instead I got moved on to the latest kali rolling borking my system
[18:24] <webchat8> anway to fix this without reinstalling?
[18:24] <leftyfb> webchat8: you are no longer running ubuntu. You need to reinstall
[18:25] <webchat8> noooo i was hoping this wasn't the case. but just for learning sake how do you know its not ubuntu anymore, because its not a full install of kali it did a partial and just borked
[18:26] <webchat8> like on about you see still the ubuntu symbol
[18:26] <leftyfb> webchat8: you are running a mix or kali and ubuntu, probably more kali at this point
[18:26] <leftyfb> do not add kali repositories next time
[18:27] <webchat8> yeah, thanks lesson learned.
[18:28] <VIA> leftyfb: my hero!
[18:32] <jhutchins> kzoli: So nothing's actually wrong, it's just some subsystem is duplicatin an effort that's already been taken care of.
[18:33] <kzoli> thanks
[18:33] <jhutchins> kzoli: If you were to try to eradicate all duplication of effort in a modern systemd boot sequence, you'd have a lot of work ahead of you (but a much faster boot).
[18:34] <kzoli> i am beginner for this
[18:35] <kzoli> may i question one more?
[18:35] <kzoli> nothing
[18:36] <kzoli> thank you, good bye !
[18:40] <webchat8> so out of curiosity is the best setup for using some of the kali tools just to use a flash drive with kali or VM?
[18:42] <leftyfb> !kali | webchat8
[18:42] <webchat8> ah apologies thanks for pointing me to the right direction
 "daulphin: try adding a new..." <- how can I do this please?
[18:59] <tomreyn> daulphin[m]: nmcli connection import
[19:03] <daulphin[m]> thank you, what should be the argument, the ovpn filename. If so I get error: invalid extra argument 'filename.ovpn' "
[19:09] <daulphin[m]> I used "nmcli connection import type openvpn file <filename.ovpn>"
[19:09] <daulphin[m]> It keeps asking me a password "Authentification required". Is this root paasword for Ubuntu or my VPN profile? Neither password worked
[19:10] <leftyfb> daulphin[m]: its your user password for the machine, similar when you type it in for logging in or for sudo
[19:10] <daulphin[m]> Weird, it doesn´t take it !
[19:11] <rob0> From whom did you get your "filename.ovpn" file, a VPN provider?  Or was it from your company IT?
[19:13] <rob0> Most personal VPN users want and expect a "full tunnel".  But most business users want a "split tunnel", with only specific traffic going through the VPN.
[19:13] <rob0> NM's openvpn implementation was originally written without this understanding.
[19:14] <rob0> It would override the routes pushed from the VPN server and make every VPN a full tunnel, wanted or not.
[19:15] <daulphin[m]> rob0: VPN provider, it has been working fine for more 4 years until I upgraded to Ubuntu 22.04
[19:15] <daulphin[m]> It looks like this version is not yet fine for me and I have to revert
[19:15] <rob0> So if yours is supposed to be a split tunnel you have to select that as an option.  I don't remember specifically what and where, but IIRC there is a checkbox.
[19:16] <rob0> ok, then NM should work for you.
[19:16] <daulphin[m]> I have always worked with NM
[19:16] <rob0> But an alternative is to set it up as a systemd service.
[19:16] <daulphin[m]> All my profiles have been added through the GUI interface
[19:17] <daulphin[m]> never had any problem, this is specific to 22.04
[19:17] <rob0> yeah, I deal mostly with business users, and NM has been buggy.
[19:18] <daulphin[m]> I don´t recall how to do it again but with this options, VPN doesn´t come back automatically after suspend or screen lock
[19:49] <daulphin[m]> Got it to work  rob0, many thanks.
[19:52] <daulphin[m]> It seems that to get VPN work in Ubuntu, one needs to add the profiles using either :... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/956ec5b4e0941818021a4162fdeac18acd063b89)
[19:52] <daulphin[m]> I appreciate your time and help
[19:54] <daulphin[m]>  * It seems that to get VPN work in Ubuntu 22.04, one needs to add the profiles using either :... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8d797a3567c0783273124d142fe7f34a376ab336)
[20:05] <EriC^>  /nick EriC^^
[20:32] <transhumanist> https://bpa.st/2OSQ  << this script generates this error >> https://bpa.st/IA4Q    any ideas?
[20:32] <transhumanist> seems it thinks that /tmp/.X11-unix is not there even though it is, it cant see it inside the sandbox
[21:18] <transhumanist> sorry for the repeat, for any new comers https://bpa.st/2OSQ  << this script generates this error >> https://bpa.st/IA4Q    any ideas? seems it thinks that /tmp/.X11-unix is not there even though it is, it cant see it inside the sandbox
[21:21] <rob0> BTW a single paste is more convenient.
[21:22] <rob0> Nested Wayland compositor could not create display socket <-- do X11 commands like Xnest work on Wayland?
[21:23] <transhumanist> I was thinking it might be a wayland issue, I dont know though
[21:31] <transhumanist> rob0: seems I am not running wayland echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE = tty
[21:32] <leftyfb> transhumanist: you can run that over ssh
[21:32] <transhumanist> Yes for now I am trying to avoid ssh
[21:32] <transhumanist> I will eventually run it over ssh but want to see the difference
[21:33] <transhumanist> thanks by the way leftyfb for answering so many of my questions, its appreciated!~
[21:33] <transhumanist> same to you too rob0
[21:33] <leftyfb> transhumanist: if you're getting "tty" from "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" then you either aren't running a DE at all or you are ssh'd in or doing something silly with tty's
[21:34] <transhumanist> whats a DE?
[21:34] <leftyfb> desktop environment
[21:34] <transhumanist>  I dont know but I am definitely running a desktop environment with nvidia drivers
[21:35] <transhumanist> it could be my attempt at sandboxing in the script
[21:35] <leftyfb> "something silly"
[21:35] <leftyfb> namespaces?
[21:36] <transhumanist> ip name spaces , yes
[21:39] <transhumanist> leftyfb: trying this out and see what happens will need to reboot though systemctl set-default graphical.target
[22:45] <quackgyver> InPhase: Sorry for the late response, but I'll look into whether it's a software or hardware issue.
[22:45] <quackgyver> I'll do a reboot the next time it happens in order to troubleshoot whether it's a software issue that causes certain keyboard keys to not work.
[22:45] <quackgyver> Thanks for the fast response. :-)
[23:06] <transhumanist> hi leftyfb: I am getting further. Now I am getting https://bpa.st/FYKA but ONLY when trying to run epiphany not firefox or dillo
[23:06] <transhumanist> not much is said about either of the two errors listed


[00:00] <Thinkerer68> What about Quassel, is it any good?
[00:00] <Thinkerer68> I tried Quassel once and gave up  :P
[00:00] <longcat8465> i miss mirc lol
[00:00] <BluesKaj> quassel is probly ok , but it's fugly to my eyes
[00:00] <longcat8465> im gonna go buy a copy of windows 7 brb
[00:00] <Thinkerer68> mIRC is pretty much the standard setter for Windoze.
[00:01] <BluesKaj> :)
[00:01] <BluesKaj> ok time to go ...tvtime begins now
[00:01] <Thinkerer68> :)
[00:03] <longcat8465> alright niggers thanks for the help... im gonna go kill myself now
[00:03] <Thinkerer68> please do so quietly
[00:31] <Torch> ...
[00:31] <james147> Torch: ^^
[00:31] <Torch> there's a lot to complain about when it comes to linux and KDE. lack of high-quality irc clients isn't on the list, though.
[01:55] <EcchiRanger> greetings, i just installed kubuntu-desktop on lucid server 32bit, i wonder why i can't change network profile on knetworkmanager (yes i can edit and add, but can't switch network profile like it should be)
[01:58] <EcchiRanger> i use kubuntu backport ppa so its kde 4.5.3, any lead to solve this problem would be appreciated, still running around google without working results..
[02:38] <scottamunga> hey everybody.  having problems connecting to wireless with knetworkmanager
[03:47] <sukriti> hello
[04:26] <Daskreech> hi
[07:14] <UBuxuBU> aureas: České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme
[07:22] <Daskreech> UBuxuBU: Eh?
[07:22] <UBuxuBU> i thought i was in another channel
[07:23] <Daskreech> That might explain a few things
[07:28] <topls64> Can anyone point me to the udev rules for the avr microcontroller usb programmer? I have 10.10.
[07:34] <marktaff> Hi all.  Can I install kubuntu 10.10 over opensuse 11.3 without destroying /home?
[08:44] <drbobb> hey, does anyone know of a fix for the breakage of google earth on ubuntu?
[08:49] <nata_> drbobb: i also have this problem before. but already remove
[08:51] <drbobb> nata_: what do you mean?
[08:52] <nata_> dont know how to fix :)
[08:52] <drbobb> aah removed google earth
[08:52] <drbobb> well it annoys me to boot windows every time I want to use google earth
[09:00] <nata_> drbobb: use google earth in web browser :)
[09:00] <nata_> may b you can ask other or google search see other people have this problem
[09:05] <Daskreech> drbobb: or marble
[09:11] <drbobb> what a brilliant idea. why would anyone want to come to irc & ask questions anymore, now that we have google search - rite?
[09:14] <OutoLumo> For interactive discussion with some base knowledge acquired from browsing the forums and web.
[09:15] <drbobb> ok so let me just say that I found make-googleearth-package, but it produces a package that doesn't work correctly
[09:15] <OutoLumo> To to dicsuss on why things are done the way they are and how things could or perhaps even should be done with people who are actually responsible for doing something about them.
[09:16] <drbobb> (however, the topic of this channel does not say it's a dev channel - it says Official Kubuntu support)
[09:19] <OutoLumo> "package that does not work correctly" does not mean much. You'd need to specify many things before it is even meaningful. What exactly is your system? 10.4, 10.10, 10.10 with ppa KDE 4.6... 32 64 bit? Where did you get that package and what did you do to try to use it? What system is that package meant? Are your dependancies in order? Have you read the instructions? Given package name, can you use CLI? Do you even understant these questions?
[09:21] <drbobb> I am more than willing to answer all such questions in case anyone is inetersted
[09:21] <drbobb> interested
[09:21] <drbobb> 10.10 with ppa kde6
[09:21] <drbobb> 64 bit
[09:22] <drbobb> make-googleearth-package from the repo generates a googleearth deb which can be installed
[09:22] <drbobb> the google-earth program even launches
[09:22] <drbobb> but all menus and such display as gibberish
[09:23] <OutoLumo> what does the package deps?
[09:23] <drbobb> s/kde6/kde4.6
[09:23] <OutoLumo> what are the package deps
[09:24] <drbobb> Depends: ttf-dejavu | ttf-bitstream-vera | msttcorefonts, ia32-libs (>= 20080808), lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), lib32stdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), lib32z1 (>= 1:1.1.4), libc6-i386 (>= 2.0), libc6-i386 (>= 2.1.3), libc6-i386 (>= 2.2), libc6-i386 (>= 2.3), libc6-i386 (>= 2.3.2), libc6-i386 (>= 2.4), nvidia-current , lib32nss-mdns
[09:25] <drbobb> the dependencies are fulfilled, I did not force install
[09:29] <OutoLumo> And they are in order? Have you checked manually?
[09:32] <drbobb> the libc6-i386 is  kind of weird, why does it declare several versions like that
[09:32] <drbobb> anyway, mine is 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.2
[09:33] <OutoLumo> Did you have a 64 bit system?
[09:34] <drbobb> yes, see above
[09:34] <OutoLumo> Sorry, I got disconnected :/
[09:34] <OutoLumo> Lost some of the backlog
[09:35] <drbobb> well yeah and it's up to date
[09:36] <drbobb> oh I see google has pre-made debs now, that must be recent
[09:36] <drbobb> I'll give that a try instead of the package maker
[09:37] <planrich> i recently checked the sizeof(void*) why is this size 12? shouldnt it be 8 on a 64 bit machine?
[09:37] <OutoLumo> Do you have radeon driver?
[09:38] <planrich> nvidia if you mean me
[09:39] <OutoLumo> planrich, drbobb actually :)
[09:39] <drbobb> OutoLumo: no, my card is nvidia
[09:40] <drbobb> ok, the package made by google has the same text rendering issue
[09:40] <drbobb> no visible difference
[09:40] <OutoLumo> drbobb, I take that it is the version 6?
[09:41] <drbobb> of g-earth? yes
[09:42] <OutoLumo> Ok, if the same problem is in the precompiled version then it's probably on in the package...
[09:43] <drbobb> I haven't seen anyone reporting it though, which is rather strange
[09:43] <steelhead> hi, how do i set /var/mail to the correct permissions ?  it is listed as drwxrwsrwx  2 root root  4096 2011-03-04 09:18 mail
[09:46] <OutoLumo> drbobb, have you installed lsb-core?
[09:46] <drbobb> yes
[09:47] <OutoLumo> steelhead, what are the correct permissions?-) set them with a commands "sudo chown correct-owner.correct-group /var/mail ;sudo chmod ??? /var/mail" Recurse for subdirs if need be.
[09:48] <OutoLumo> replace ??? for the permissions as well.
[09:48] <OutoLumo> drbobb, ok, I'm out of ideas :-|
[09:50] <OutoLumo> I believe the correct settings depend a bit on your mail server setup.
[09:51] <steelhead> OutoLumo: its still drwxrwsrwx  2 root root  4096 2011-03-04 09:18 mail, i dont know if thats correct..
[09:51] <drbobb> steelhead: mine look like drwxrwsr-x, which seems to make sense
[09:51] <drbobb> owner root, group mail
[09:51] <steelhead> aha, i will try to change it to that
[09:52] <steelhead> its now drwxrwsrwx  2 root mail  4096 2011-03-04 09:18 mail
[09:53] <OutoLumo> permissions would be 775. Thogh I don't understand why that directory should be world readable...
[09:53] <steelhead> so i need to chmod it to 775 ?
[09:54] <OutoLumo> to set it to drwxrwsr-x, yes
[09:55] <OutoLumo> If that is a wise setting, that I don't know. I don't use that directory in my kubuntu-desktop.
[09:55] <steelhead> OutoLumo:  its now drwxr-sr-x  2 root mail  4096 2011-03-04 09:18 mail ;  thanks
[09:56] <OutoLumo> steelhead, that should be wrong. You want it to be group writable. Try 770 instead.
[09:56] <steelhead> ok
[09:57] <OutoLumo> Or rather: you want mail programs be able to place something in there, not just read it.
[09:57] <drbobb> OutoLumo: for the sake of programs that want to report whether you have new mail
[09:57] <steelhead> yes
[09:57] <OutoLumo> BUT if you want some other processes to be able to access and read it (which might be) you should set it to 775
[09:58] <OutoLumo> drbobb, they should be added to group mail...
[09:58] <drbobb> the shell is one of them
[09:58] <steelhead> its now set as drwxrwsr-x  2 root mail  4096 2011-03-04 09:18 mail
[09:59] <OutoLumo> drbobb, why would you want the user shell the be able to access to the mail folder?
[09:59] <drbobb> but you are right that in a typical desktop setup /var/mail isn't even used
[10:00] <steelhead> its a NAS :P so, /var/mail is used
[10:00] <drbobb> OutoLumo: it's not me, but I guess someone once came up with the idea that the shell should have an option to report the arrival of new mail
[10:00] <OutoLumo> drbobb, and where it is needed users should - or shell - have no business there. Let them make mail queries through IMAP.
[10:00] <drbobb> OutoLumo: yeah I guess it's a holdover from old time
[10:00] <drbobb> s
[10:01] <steelhead> http://isprins.blogspot.com/2011/03/excitos-b3-and-tor.html
[10:01] <steelhead> its now set as drwxrwsr-x 2 root mail 4096 2011-03-04 09:18 mail, is that correct ?
[10:01] <OutoLumo> drbobb, no point there. You can write a script belonging to the mail group and tell that to report to the shell. That's the unix way :)
[10:02] <OutoLumo> steelhead, for desktop purposes, I guess so. Why do you need that directory?
[10:02] <r41> how do you remove mythtv completely? sudo apt-get remove --purge mythtv has NO effect; it says not installed but i can start mythtv anyway
[10:02] <drbobb> OutoLumo: I think this comes from pre-IMAP times
[10:03] <OutoLumo> r41 try running "sudo updatedb" and "locate mythtv|grep bin"
[10:03] <steelhead> OutoLumo: because fail2ban reports banned ip's to user@local
[10:03] <drbobb> believe it or not there was a time when IMAP was experimental and regarded with suspicion
[10:04] <steelhead> OutoLumo: fail2ban monitors logfiles, and bans ip adresses for a set time if it detects brute force attacks
[10:04] <OutoLumo> drbobb, oh, I think I remember the time IMAP became accepted... Anyway, such legacy features should now be disregarded as security threats.
[10:05] <r41> OutoLumo  output is /usr/bin/mythtv-setup
[10:05] <r41> /usr/bin/mythtv-setup.real
[10:05] <r41> /usr/bin/mythtvosd
[10:05] <OutoLumo> r41, so it has not purged it. Try re-installing the package and purging it again.
[10:06] <drbobb> OutoLumo: /var/mail is only useful nowadays on servers, as a place where legacy daemons can report their diagnostics
[10:06] <drbobb> and where no non-admin users are allowed to login anyway
[10:07] <r41> OutoLumo did already... ah found the mistake, had to do sudo apt-get remove --purge myth* with wildcard
[10:07] <OutoLumo> steelhead, consider installing dovecot or something.
[10:07] <OutoLumo> r41 :)
[10:08] <drbobb> ok gotta run and earn some bread. Thanx for trying
[10:08] <drbobb> bye
[10:08] <OutoLumo> r41, I usually use aptitude, it makes tracking dependencies easier :)
[10:09] <r41> OutoLumo avoid guis whereever possible ;-)
[10:09] <r41> OutoLumo ok there is a command line aptitude, well...
[10:09] <steelhead> OutoLumo: thats installed, and horde
[10:09] <r41> OutoLumo bad habits
[10:11] <OutoLumo> steelhead, and configured as well? (You shouldn't need horde if you use kmail or something)
[10:12] <steelhead> OutoLumo: yes.
[10:12] <OutoLumo> So you can read the local root's mails from kmail?
[10:16] <OutoLumo> r41,  both CLI and curses based aptitude in fact...
[10:54] <r41> strange problem with kaffeine: finds the first couples of dvb-t channels, then signal goes to 100% SNR 0% and no more channels are found
[10:54] <r41> same with dvb-utils scan, seems to be a driver/firmware thing
[11:12] <bauBau> hi. when I execute this:  timidity fluid.mid      -----> I obtain this: Couldn't load instrument aaviolin.sf2 (tone bank 0, program 73) . The instrument and path are correct (if I use a wrong sf2 or path I obtain:   "No such file or directory".   What can I do ?
[12:38] <evdvelde> hi all, i have a problem with kopete: starting it takes ages, on command line i get following error: kopete(9806): Communication problem with  "kopete" , it probably crashed. Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" any ideas?
[13:35] <Afflicto> Hey all
[13:35] <Afflicto> I'm new to Linux!
[13:35] <Afflicto> First impressions of ubuntu: WOW!
[13:35] <evdvelde> welcome to linux :)
[13:35] <Afflicto> Thank you <3
[13:36] <evdvelde> using kde or gnome?
[13:36] <Afflicto> I'm not sure! XD
[13:36] <evdvelde> blue or purple wallpaper? ;)
[13:36] <Afflicto> I think I've seen the word "gnome" multiple times in menus though.
[13:36] <Afflicto> I'm using a virtual machine on win 7.
[13:37] <evdvelde> if you have a K as start button in the lower left corner it is kde, otherwise gnome :D
[13:37] <Afflicto> oh
[13:37] <Afflicto> well, I changed the theme already XD
[13:38] <Afflicto> I hope it's okay if I haunt you guys with newb-questions :-!
[13:40] <Afflicto> I'm trying to install "Chromium" and it says "waiting for apt-get to exit".  (I tried to install something later but it failed).
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:52] <matsv> Hi! I have a quick question :-). I've created a runnable jar-file with eclipse and I'm able to run it from a terminal (./filename.jar). However, when I  try to run it by clicking on it in dolphin it simply opens in ark, so my question is how do I change this behavior so that the runnable file is executed instead of opening with an application?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> matsv, copy the executable file to /usr/bin/
[13:57] <matsv> ok, will I need to copy all the other files as well (sprites and images)?
[13:57] <BluesKaj> matsv, as root of course
[13:57] <matsv> ok
[13:59] <BluesKaj> matsv, there's probly a readme file in the folder that was created when you installed it , you might find some info on where to put thefiles you mentioned
[14:00] <matsv> hmm, it still opens in ark when I click it, I've made the file myself, I'm simply looking for a way to run it without starting a terminal
[14:02] <BluesKaj> dit the install create a folder in tour /home/username dir?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> tour=your
[14:04] <matsv> The file is compiled and works and has the correct permissions, it is situated in a subfolder in my home-dir
[14:05] <BluesKaj> look for a readme text file in that folder
[14:05] <matsv> there is none
[14:05] <BluesKaj> no textfiles at all?
[14:05] <matsv> The problem is not with the install or the program itself, It is that kubuntu insists that my executable file is opened with another application
[14:06] <matsv> nope
[14:09] <BluesKaj> is there an executable file in the folder , if so right click on it and make the open with dialog isn't checked to open with some other app
[14:10] <BluesKaj> err make sure the "open with" dialog ...etc
[14:11] <matsv> the open with dialog is there, and it is set to ark
[14:11] <matsv> but I can't seem to remove ark from the list or uncheck it
[14:12] <BluesKaj> I mean the excutable file , the file that opens the app if you cleck on it, not the jarfile
[14:13] <matsv> the jar-file is the executable file
[14:15] <matsv> it is the only file in the folder except for the sprites/images
[14:15] <BluesKaj> the executable file won't have an extension. it will be "whateverthenameis" .probly look like a gear type icon
[14:16] <matsv> Yep, however, an executable java file has a .jar extension and that is the executable file I'm trying to run :-)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> ok, then I need a lesson on jar files , because the app hasn't installed itself from whay I can tell
[14:18] <BluesKaj> it'sjust a java app right ? it should run with browser or ?
[14:18] <matsv> nope, it's a standalone java-application, not an applet for browsers
[14:19] <matsv> it runs just fine if I start it from a terminal
[14:20] <BluesKaj> matsv, run  java -jar foo.jar in the terminal subbing the name of the file for foo
[14:21] <matsv> then it runs fine, but I want to be able to run it from dolphin without having to go through a terminal
[14:21] <BluesKaj> didyou run it with java -jar command?
[14:22] <matsv> yep, in the terminal, and it works from there, but I'd like to be able to simply click it in the file manager and have it start
[14:23] <BluesKaj> it might now
[14:23] <rork> matsv: you can control how dolphin opens a file from System Settings > File Associations
[14:23] <matsv> ok, but it won't accept "java -jar" as an application
[14:23] <rork> (that's on the advanced tab if you're on 10.04)
[14:24] <matsv> ok
[14:26] <matsv> thanks for the help everyone, but it simply won't work, I'll just have to run it via the terminal I guess
[14:26] <matsv> Have a nice day!
[14:27] <rork> matsv: you can try `java -jar %U`
[14:27] <BluesKaj> matsv,t5he guys at #ubuntu are very knowledgeable about java , I suggest you join and ask there , but one suggestion was : you can create a launcher in alacarte to run it
[14:28] <BluesKaj> dunno what the kde equivalent is
[14:28] <BluesKaj> to alacarte
[14:29] <BluesKaj> plasma panel widgets maybe
[14:32] <BluesKaj> hmm too bad , some ppl just don't have the time or patience to find a solution
[14:34] <rork> indeed, and making file associations like that shouldn't be much of a problem
[14:42] <BluesKaj> actionparsnip, suggested the above solution about alacarte, but that a gnome menu editor , so the kmenu editor might do it then he could add it to the panel
[14:55] <Afflicto> Hello World! , I'm back! ubuntu got **cked up on my virtual machine so I installed ubuntu on my 80 gig drive.
[14:56] <Afflicto> One question; I have 2 monitors setup now, but all panels\bars are stuck on my secondary monitor. how do I move the mover to my main monitor?
[16:27] <westmi49319> hi
[16:27] <westmi49319> where are the program files?
[16:27] <westmi49319> so when asked, I know where to look for ktorrent
[16:34] <DarthFrog> westmi49319:  Most will be in /usr/bin.  But you can always find out for sure by issuing the "which" command.  For instance, "which ktorrent" returns /usr/bin/ktorrent.
[16:34] <westmi49319> ah
[16:34] <westmi49319> thanks
[16:35] <westmi49319> gunna write that down
[16:36] <DarthFrog> westmi49319: and if you'd like to find a non-program file, the "locate" command will do that.  You have to run "sudo updatedb" first, to create the searchable database for "locate", though.
[16:37] <DarthFrog> westmi49319: And if you'd like to find any file based on any criterion (eg. last access time), the "find" command is your friend.  At first, "find" is somewhat intimidating, as it is so powerful.
[16:38] <westmi49319> yeah, a lot of different options
[16:38] <DarthFrog> "find" is one of the most powerful Unix commands.
[16:42] <liquid_> how to eneble ssh connection to remote host on port 22?
[16:43] <liquid_> I have this message: ssh: connect to host junior-ubuntu port 22: Connection refused
[16:49] <slk> privmsg hacked :\001clientinfo
[16:49] <shadeslayer> what
[16:49] <shadeslayer> liquid_: probably sshd is running on a different port
[16:50] <shadeslayer> liquid_: you can specify a port with ssh user@host -p PORT
[16:50] <slk> privmsg hacked :\001clientinfo \001
[16:50] <slk> народ, русскоговорящие есть?
[16:50] <maco> !ru
[16:52] <liquid_> shadeslayer: how to determine on which port sshd is running?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> liquid_: usually it runs on 22
[16:52] <shadeslayer> liquid_: do you have any other means of accessing it?
[16:54] <liquid_> shadeslayer: i think it should be running on 22 because i did not change anything
[16:55] <shadeslayer> liquid_: did you forward the ports?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> could you tell me what's the exact setup ... the exact route and all the hardware that's between the remote and the host
[16:57] <liquid_> shadeslayer: well, i do it the first time; could you tell me what to do to connect 2 pcs by ssh?
[16:58] <shadeslayer> liquid_: are they on a local wireless network ?
[16:58] <liquid_> shadeslayer: yes
[16:58] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:58] <shadeslayer> liquid_: ok what's the ip of any one of the computers
[16:59] <liquid_> shadeslayer: sorry, wired
[16:59] <liquid_> shadeslayer: but local indeed
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yeah same thing :)
[16:59] <liquid_> i know :)
[17:01] <shadeslayer> liquid_: you need to login into your router :)
[17:01] <shadeslayer> and forward the ports
[17:01] <shadeslayer> or wait
[17:01] <shadeslayer> liquid_: run : ssh -vv user@remote and pastebin the output
[17:02] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: Huh?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: yeah it's a local network, no forwarding needed
[17:02] <liquid_> shadeslayer: is forwarding on router required?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:02] <Daskreech> What's liquid_ trying to do?
[17:02] <liquid_> shadeslayer: I don't go out the local network
[17:03] <shadeslayer> liquid_: yeah, that's why there's no requirement of forwarding ports
[17:03] <Daskreech> then you can just type ssh user@ipaddress
[17:03] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: yes, but for some reason it's not connecting
[17:04] <liquid_> do i need to do something in iptables?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> hmm .. i didn't have anything
[17:05] <shadeslayer> s/didn't/don't
[17:05] <Daskreech> liquid_: which machine has the ssh server running?
[17:06] <Daskreech> liquid_: if you are sitting at it you should be able to type ssh localhost and get a prompt asking you if you would like to add the foreign key
[17:07] <liquid_> do i need openssh*?
[17:08] <shadeslayer> liquid_: you need openssh-server
[17:08] <liquid_> shadeslayer: ok, sorry, i'll install it
[17:08] <liquid_> be back in few whiles
[17:09] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:11] <Daskreech> I normally just apt-get install ssh
[17:12] <Daskreech> it will install the client and the server (for some reason)
[17:16] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: probably a meta package
[17:17] <shadeslayer> This metapackage is a convenient way to install both the OpenSSH client  and the OpenSSH server
[17:17] <shadeslayer> Yep
[17:17] <Daskreech> shadeslayer: yes it is but I'm just questioning how many people mean that they want a server when they say they want ssh
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ah :D
[17:18] <shadeslayer> well ... unless you start forwarding ports on your router, you're not in any immediate danger
[17:18] <westmi49319> yep barly a minute to download and install
[17:19] <westmi49319> cli
[17:19] <Daskreech> I mean I use it all the time since it's nice and conveinent just thought that it was a strange setup. made me a lot more wary of what's installing when I say install <appname>
[17:19] <Daskreech> westmi49319: Hi. are you liquid_?
[17:20] <westmi49319> ?
[17:20] <westmi49319> no...
[17:21] <liquid_> shadeslayer: i think it works
[17:21] <liquid_> shadeslayer: in fact, i'm trying to run both machines under pvm
[17:22] <shadeslayer> pvm?
[17:22] <liquid_> shadeslayer: parallel virtual machine
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:52] <viriato09> hola
[17:57] <rork> !es | viriato09
[18:33] <proshot> i have installed kubuntu on a eeepc 901 and now i get the netbook version of kubuntu, how could i configure to have the normal configuration just like the live cd
[18:40] <rork> proshot: it's somewhere in System Settings, I thought desktop environment but I can't check it right now
[19:06] <cjae> anyone else got flickering flash video?
[19:21] <cjae> anyone else got flickering flash video?
[19:38] <shadeslayer> cjae: works perfectly here
[19:38] <shadeslayer> albeit it makes everything insanely hot
[19:38] <cjae> hmmm
[19:40] <cjae> the window that encases the video is also probing through other windows, btw are you multitabbing in FF?
[19:44] <cjae> shadeslayer: ati?
[20:08] <m0t0> hello
[20:09] <Peace-> m0t0: hi m0t0
[20:10] <m0t0> hi, be back soon someone call for me ..
[20:10] <Peace-> xD
[20:14] <m0t0> hi again, sorry for a short chat, have to go
[20:18] <vanguard> Would this be right channel for Akregator? -- I would like to use a shellscript as a source of an RSS feed, since some site has no feed and I hacked it myself. Is it possible to use a script as a RSS source?
[20:22] <Tm_T> vanguard: if it outputs proper feed, why not
[20:22] <Tm_T> vanguard: as long as it's accessible in similar manner than any feed
[20:22] <vanguard> Tm_T: I tried to use file///home/.../rss.sh, but it told me that it does not work that way
[20:22] <vanguard> maybe I write it in PHP and put it on my web server, then it should be fine
[20:23] <Tm_T> that would work, yes
[20:23] <vanguard> other question: can I use a test statement to alter my promt? I would love to see whether I am in a git repo in the promt
[20:23] <vanguard> if a dir .git exists, or in the parent directory, then show "git" in red letters before the $ // or use a different promt
[20:24] <vanguard> is that possible?
[20:24] <Tm_T> vanguard: I'd assume yes, but cannot say exactly how
[20:30] <vanguard> it appears to be \$(code) ... pretty logically if I think about it
[20:30] <vanguard> source: http://www.systhread.net/texts/200706bashprompt.php#
[20:37] <vanguard> yeah, it works. PS1="..." must be in double quotes, and then use \$(). I am going to write a git detect script now. Linux is fckng awesome :-)
[20:46] <Tm_T> !ohmy > vanguard
[22:07] <scan> anyone able to tell me how to add a script to the launcher pane in plasma-netbook? I am fed up with always writing the whole string into the search box
[22:09] <Daskreech> scan: What?
[22:09] <Daskreech> what are you typing?
[22:10] <scan> i have my own installations of some programs, I.e. eclipse
[22:10] <scan> and I have to type "~/eclipse/eclipse" in the search box to get a run icon
[22:11] <scan> whenever I try to move it to the launcher bar, it just disappears
[22:51] <Thinkerer68>  /part


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[22:31] <guiverc> I rec'd kinetic kudu reaching eol warning via ML... will massage it for fridge in hour or so
[22:31] <guiverc> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2023-June/000291.html
[22:34] <krytarik> guiverc: Cool, and please publish directly once you're done, as I won't be around anymore then.
[22:35] <guiverc> ack
[23:13] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/06/14/ubuntu-22-10-kinetic-kudu-reaches-end-of-life-on-july-20-2023/


[09:10] <ailion> Hi
[09:10] <ailion> Why is filesystem.squashfs soooooo large in Kubuntu's iso?
[09:15] <RikMills> its the whole live filesystem
[09:19] <ailion> pool/ has only 33MB packages in it
[09:21] <ailion> I don't see why not put most of the packages in pool/ just as Ubuntu-Desktop do.
[09:23] <RikMills> ubuntu desktop does not do that
[09:24] <ailion> Oh! Sorry!
[09:24] <ailion> I come from Ubuntu-Server world
[09:29] <ailion> Do we have tutorials about building Kubuntu from scratch?
[09:30] <RikMills> the iso?
[09:30] <blaze> just take a netinstall iso
[09:30] <ailion> I'm looking for something like: 1.git clone 2. ./build.sh 3. output is an iso file
[09:30] <blaze> or is it minimal something something
[09:31] <ailion> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[09:31] <blaze> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[09:32]  * RikMills kicks LP git
[09:32] <RikMills> there is stuff on the wiki. probably out of date
[09:33] <ailion> I have followed this tutorial to make a live system, then I replaced the vmlinuz and initrd from d-i's.
[09:34] <ailion> Next, I replaced pool/ and dists/, modified preseed file, so I can now build an Ubuntu Server iso with any packages I want.
[09:36] <ailion> blaze: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qMxSr5Czz6/
[09:37] <ailion> Here's part of my project.
[09:38] <ailion> vmlinuz and initrd are compiled from d-i source code.
[09:38] <ailion> pool/ and dists/ are generated by Geminate and Reprepro
[09:45] <ailion> The question is: I'm now using `git clone -b bionic https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/ubuntu-seeds/+git/kubuntu`
[09:46] <ailion> Is this the correct repo for Kubuntu seeds?
[09:46] <RikMills> no
[09:47] <RikMills> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.bionic
[09:48] <RikMills> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.bionic
[09:48] <ailion> This is a bzr repo
[09:48] <RikMills> yes
[09:49] <ailion> The link I found is a git repo with same commit message
[09:50] <RikMills> it is not the bionic seed used for iso builds
[09:50] <RikMills> the bzr one I linked is
[09:50] <ailion> wow, thanks a lot
[09:51] <RikMills> your git link is to someones persona git space
[09:51] <RikMills> *personal
[09:52] <ailion> Sure. I thought it was from the maintainer's personal repo. It's not.
[09:53] <RikMills> seeds are always in official repos, so only members of allowed teams can push
[09:53] <ailion> I see.
[09:54] <ailion> I'd like to learn more about this.
[10:17] <ailion> RikMills: Which repo should I use for platform.bionic?
[10:21] <RikMills> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform
[10:26] <ailion> git clone -b bionic https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform platform.bionic
[10:26] <ailion> fatal: the remote end hung up unexpectedly
[10:26] <ailion> can you confirm this?
[10:27] <RikMills> yes, launchpad git has some outage this morning. I have already pinged admins in #launchpad about it, but no fix yet
[10:28] <ailion> XD
[10:28] <ailion> I can't find its bzr version
[10:29] <RikMills> iso builds, recipe builds, anything that currently uses LP git is broken
[10:29] <RikMills> there is no bzr version now of that one. some seeds repos have been migrated to git, some have not
[10:30] <ailion> I see. Thank you for your patience.
[10:30] <RikMills> kubuntu one needs migrating sometime, but there is always something more important
[11:16] <ailion> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.bionic/
[11:17] <ailion> RikMills: Now I have the Germinate output just as this FTP page shows.
[11:19] <ailion> If I get it right, I show open https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.bionic/structure, find ``ship-live` and its recursive dependencies.
[11:24] <ailion> installer d-i-requirements boot required minimal standard desktop-common desktop live-common live ship-live
[11:26] <ailion> I have merged unique package names in these files, find `Filename` for each package in `Packages.gz`, wget these debs and udebs, and finally reprepro them as pool/ and dists/
[11:29] <ailion> In preseed file, I set `tasksel tasksel/first multiselect kubuntu-desktop`
[11:30] <ailion> Question: After installation, I get a base system with CLI only. kubuntu-desktop is not installed.
[11:32] <ailion> How can I fix this issue? Thank you!
[11:56] <RikMills> desktop seed is required for a 'desktop'
[11:57] <ailion> RikMills: I do have 'desktop' included, as you can see above.
[11:58] <RikMills> no idea. I never have to run germinate manually
[11:59] <ailion> The outputs of germinate are identical.
[12:00] <ailion> I believe there's something to do in preseed file.
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[13:12] <k1l> 1mx
[13:12] <k1l> !mx
[16:31] <AMDAtom> hi
[16:31] <tigefa> hi tooo......
[19:58] <bazhang> the nooo waaa guy is making the rounds
[20:10] <bazhang2> hi
[20:10] <bazhang> hello
[20:15] <bazhang2> hi
[20:15] <bazhang2> bazhang2, did justin bieber see selena gomez topless and feel her breast?
[20:17] <rww> no
[20:17] <rww> !next
[21:17] <bazhang> long history in btracker, that one
[21:17] <k1l_> no wonder
[21:17] <ikonia> oh really
[21:17] <ikonia> I didn't recognise him
[22:07] <Fleck> http://paste.opensuse.org/75904313
[22:08] <k1l_> thanks for reporting, Fleck. we will have a look if the user is offensive again.
[22:08] <Fleck> ok, thanks!
[22:10] <Fleck> http://paste.opensuse.org/73745724
[22:10] <k1l_> @mark #ubuntu bradfasterty user reports he got offensive pm form him http://paste.opensuse.org/75904313
[22:10] <Fleck> again :D
[22:12] <k1l_> thanks for reporting. banned that user
[22:13] <k1l_> if you recieve more pm now you need to report to #freenode since we cant do more as channel ops
[22:13] <Fleck> ok, thanks!


[04:13] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[04:42] <ScottK> Riddell: No time for Kubuntu really until Friday.
[07:58] <Riddell> hola chicos
[07:59] <Riddell> getting greener http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html
[08:19] <xnox> shadeslayer: looks alright. Does boot & shutdown work correctly? with plymouth comming up on boot and shut down?
[08:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: can I put a release script into the releaseme rewrite branch like the old branch had in it? or is that not the way any more?
[08:22] <shadeslayer> soee: sounds like kglobalacceld not starting
[08:23] <soee> shadeslayer: are we talking about shortcuts ?
[08:23] <shadeslayer> soee: yes
[08:23] <shadeslayer> soee: ps aux | grep kglobalaccel5
[08:24] <soee> shadeslayer: please let me switch to neon session, 2 minutes
[08:24] <shadeslayer> I thought you were using regular packages
[08:24] <soee> shadeslayer: no, there were to many problems last time i tried them
[08:27] <shadeslayer> like?
[08:27] <shadeslayer> would be nice if you reported them
[08:27] <shadeslayer> since I'm exclusively using neon right now
[08:27] <soee> shadeslayer: using on utopic right ?
[08:28] <soee> how did the upgrade go for you from trusty ?
[08:32] <shadeslayer> I am on trusty
[08:32] <shadeslayer> there is no neon for utopic
[08:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the script supposed to contain?
[08:35] <soee> shadeslayer: im a bit confused, i know thers no neon for utopic :) thouogh i thought there ar enopackages for trusty atm
[08:35] <shadeslayer> I'm quite confused now :P
[08:35] <apachelogger> trusty -> use neon; utopic -> use next ppa
[08:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[08:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: in my case some comments saying "bump versions", then some comments to tar up kde/workspace and the other bits I need and save the tags
[08:38] <shadeslayer> soee: so what are you running, neon or next ppa
[08:38] <soee> shadeslayer: i have neon installed on trusty atm
[08:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: for now, yeah, I'll have a look
[08:39] <apachelogger> maybe we can add it to the regular nonense
[09:09] <Noskcaj> yofel, "<darkxst> since I don't understand how device management could be affected by systemd vs logind"
[09:09] <Noskcaj> Could you explain
[09:13] <yofel> Noskcaj: if you mean upower, not really. I know that kde has some systemd sanity checks all over the place, but didn't really see anything relevant for the upower parts.
[09:13] <yofel> And I'm not going to invest any more time in this until we have a definite decision on the init system 14.10 will use
[09:15] <Quintasan> \o
[09:16] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:16] <Noskcaj> I'm not sure anyone knows that bit.
[09:18] <yofel> Noskcaj: FWIW, since things *do* work with upower if configured properly I would say we're fine with 0.99 if you need it. And if we keep upstart we should be able to force it to work anyway
[09:20] <soee> shadeslayer: ok so get it clear (for me) is it possible to install plasma-next on trusty without neon ?
[09:21] <shadeslayer> no
[09:21] <shadeslayer> the kubuntu next packages are only for utopic
[09:21] <shadeslayer> and neon is only for trusty
[09:22] <soee> shadeslayer: so [10:24] <shadeslayer> I thought you were using regular packages
[09:22] <soee> you are talking about utopic here ?
[09:22] <shadeslayer> yes
[09:22] <soee> that explains all :)
[09:27] <soee> what version utopic uses now? some beta ?
[09:43] <shadeslayer> soee: yep
[09:48] <soee> shadeslayer: do you have any serious issues with this version ?
[09:48] <shadeslayer> soee: I haven't used it
[09:48] <shadeslayer> so can't say
[10:06] <Noskcaj> yofel, that's great. I'm just waiting on the desktop team and lubuntu. Sorry for the late reply.
[10:08] <Riddell> yofel: so it's still broken with upstart but you think we'll work out how to fix it?
[10:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: am I doing something wrong or is releaseme broken? http://paste.kde.org/pzxkqwqav
[10:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: or do I need to set "i18n trunk branch" in projects.kde.org ?
[10:22] <Riddell> (that's used for the code branch as well as the i18n branch right?)
[10:22] <yofel> Riddell: should be doable if we really need to
[10:23] <Riddell> hope so!
[10:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: ./tarme.rb --origin trunk --version $VERSION baloo  this seems to not get any l10n, looks for kde-kdelibs which doesn't exist
[10:29] <Riddell> ./tarme.rb --origin trunk --version $VERSION baloo-widgets   similarly likes to get svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/l10n-kf5/cy/messages/kde-kdelibs/baloowidgets.po
[10:29] <Riddell> hmm, probably because it's in the kdelibs group on projects.kde.org
[10:29] <Riddell> but I want translations from kde-workspace
[10:31] <Riddell> ah but of course the l10n scripts don't know that either so there are no translations for it
[10:33] <apachelogger> eh
[10:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: wrong parent project on projects.kde?
[10:33] <apachelogger> I thought it was supposed to be workspace xD
[10:34] <apachelogger> there's a bit of a mess there
[10:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: and yes, the trunk branch must be set on projects.kde.org
[10:36] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:38] <soee> there are already packages for 5.0.0 in plasma-next https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/next ?
[10:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah but it got moved back because that broke KDE SC releases.  so seems a problem with KDE intrastructure rather than releaseme
[10:38] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[10:38] <Riddell> and so it begins..
[10:38] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[10:38] <Riddell> soee: yes, frameworks 5.0.0 which is out on monday
[10:38] <soee> ;o
[10:42] <BluesKaj> kf5 dev files?
[10:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: this still crashing, do you know why? ./tarme.rb --origin trunk --version 0.3.98 oxygen-fonts
[10:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: looking
[10:50] <apachelogger>         p = Project.new(project_element.attribute('identifier').to_s)
[10:50] <apachelogger> :O
[10:50] <apachelogger> fails to resolve
[10:51] <apachelogger> wut
[10:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: because it's still in kdereview
[10:52] <apachelogger> maybe that should be moved out of there, given that final is in 2 weeks :S
[10:53] <Riddell> wibble
[10:53]  * Riddell files a ticket
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can do a temprorary fix if you want
[10:54] <apachelogger> if I remember how to use xml smartly again
[10:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've filed a ticket so a very hacky workaround is all that's needed
[10:55] <BluesKaj> guess Kf5 was the wrong assumption
[10:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh wait, I think I can't
[10:59] <apachelogger> the assumption that there should be a module is made all over the place
[10:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think you'd best roll the tar manually
[10:59] <apachelogger> doesn't need l10n and stuff anyway
[10:59] <apachelogger> hm
[10:59] <apachelogger> unless
[11:03] <apachelogger> nagh
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: best do it manually
[11:03] <apachelogger> I'd have to change all classes to ignore missing module/components
[11:07] <Riddell> yeah don't worry
[11:07] <Riddell> de nada
[11:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: new problemo
[11:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just did  ./tarme.rb --origin trunk --version $VERSION kwin
[11:10] <Riddell> in po/de/CMakeLists.txt it sets GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(de ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} ${_po_files})
[11:10] <Riddell> that should be   GETTEXT_PROCESS_PO_FILES(fr ALL INSTALL_DESTINATION ${LOCALE_INSTALL_DIR} PO_FILES ${_po_files})
[11:10] <Riddell> with the "PO_FILES"
[11:10] <Riddell> else it won't do anything
[11:11] <apachelogger> ah
[11:11] <apachelogger> pft
[11:11] <Riddell> looks easy to fix though
[11:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixed
[11:13] <Riddell> awooga
[11:41] <soee> Riddell: do i need to add some dependent ppa when using plasma-next ppa ?
[11:51] <soee> also package plasma-desktop is on hold http://paste.ubuntu.com/7741606/ ?
[12:23] <soee> ping :)
[12:27] <ScottK> On trusty:
[12:27] <ScottK> 69 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 14 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
[12:28] <ScottK> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[12:28] <ScottK>   akonadiconsole kaddressbook kde-baseapps-bin kdebase-bin kdepasswd
[12:28] <ScottK>   kdepim-dbg kdepimlibs-dbg kleopatra kmail knotes konqueror kubuntu-desktop
[12:28] <ScottK>   libksieveui4 rekonq
[12:28] <ScottK> The following packages have been kept back:
[12:28] <ScottK>   kde-config-pimactivity libkdgantt2-0 libkleo4 libkopete4 libkpgp4
[12:28] <ScottK>   libmailimporter4 libnoteshared4 libsendlater4 plasma-scriptengine-javascript
[12:28] <ScottK> that doesn't seem good.
[12:28] <ScottK> Could someone investigate as I'm headed out.
[12:30] <soee> trusty -> unicorn upgrade, added plasma-next ppa, dist-upgrade -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7741719/
[13:23] <soee> someone can take a look ?
[13:24] <Riddell> soee: what happens when you apt-get install plasma-desktop?
[13:25] <soee> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7741927/
[13:28] <Riddell> soee: yep so that's what I'd expect, we don't have a meta package for plasma 5 stuff yet so you'll need to just work out what needs to be installed yourself and install it
[13:29] <Riddell> I should probably bump that up my todo
[13:29] <soee> :/
[13:30] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can't say I've seen that on my machine
[13:31] <Riddell> sgclark: looking like you make good progress http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html
[13:32] <sgclark> Riddell: been busy haha
[13:35] <ScottK> Did everything get copied to updates?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ping
[13:37] <sgclark> shadeslayer: pong
[13:37] <shadeslayer> sgclark:         ln -s /usr/share/kde4/apps/katepart/script/libraries/underscore.js debian/ktexteditor-data/usr/share/katepart5/script/libraries/underscore.js < in ktexteditor is wrong, since you're effectively making ktexteditor depend on kate 4
[13:38] <sgclark> shadeslayer: uploaded fix 2 secods ago
[13:39] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[13:39] <shadeslayer> sgclark: we don't need to build dep on libjs-underscore btw
[13:39] <shadeslayer> it's a runtime thing only
[13:40] <shadeslayer> which you forgot :P
[13:40] <alvin> shadeslayer: I see it too. Trusty with kubuntu-ppa-backports. apt wants to remove kaddressbook kde-baseapps-bin kdepasswd kmail kubuntu-desktop libksieveui4 and even marble
[13:40] <shadeslayer> why do you have kubuntu-ppa-backports with trusty
[13:41] <shadeslayer> sgclark: please fix it so that ktexteditor depends on the lib instead of build depending on it
[13:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because trusty would be a backport target? :P
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but the backports ppa has nothing that's useful right now
[13:43] <apachelogger> why is it broken then? :P
[13:43] <shadeslayer> dunno
[13:43] <shadeslayer> alvin: mind running : sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade
[13:44] <shadeslayer> and pastebinning the output
[13:47] <alvin> shadeslayer: ok, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742026/
[13:49] <shadeslayer> alvin: what does : apt-cache policy libkleo4 say
[13:49] <alvin> I didn't know the backports were more or less empty. Didn't read the announcemnt all that well apparently.
[13:49] <alvin> Installed: 4:4.13.1-0ubuntu0.1 | Candidate: 4:4.13.2-0ubuntu0.1 Do you need the whole output?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:50] <shadeslayer> alvin: try sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install libkleo4
[13:50] <shadeslayer> sometimes I hate focus follows mouse
[13:51]  * shadeslayer throws a octopus at alvin
[13:51] <shadeslayer> erm
[13:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:
[13:51] <shadeslayer> I meant apachelogger
[13:51] <alvin> ouch
[13:51]  * shadeslayer throws a octopus at apachelogger
[13:51] <shadeslayer> there, I fixed it
[13:52] <alvin> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742046/
[13:52]  * apachelogger hand shadeslayer subversion
[13:52] <shadeslayer> oh noews
[13:52] <shadeslayer> I just lost all my branches
[13:52] <shadeslayer> nooooo
[13:52] <shadeslayer> but wait!
[13:53]  * shadeslayer installs git-svn
[13:53] <shadeslayer> jokes on you, I have git-svn
[13:53] <shadeslayer> muwhaha
[13:53] <Riddell> subversion is what means it takes many hours to make the plasma 5 tars
[13:53] <Riddell> apachelogger: feature request for tarme, parallelise the svn checkouts
[13:54] <apachelogger> on my todo
[13:54] <shadeslayer> that debug output makes no sense
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: depending on the repo it wouldn't improve much
[13:55] <apachelogger> svn connection is insanely slow
[13:55] <Riddell> fooey
[13:55] <apachelogger> so the more stuff it actually downloads per connection attempt the faster it is
[13:55] <apachelogger> so in fact it is so slow because it keeps doing micro checkouts on a per-repo basis
[13:55] <Riddell> right
[13:56] <apachelogger> while it could do a complete checkout of the kde-workspace dir and recycle stuff which right now it can't because a tarme project is meant to be entirely isolated
[13:56] <shadeslayer> alvin: are you using a mirror?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> alvin: or the official archive.ubuntu.com
[14:00] <shadeslayer> alvin: and can you run the same apt-get install command with libakonadi-contact4
[14:00] <soee> Riddell: then this meta file might be ready ?
[14:00] <soee> *when
[14:01] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ktexteditor fixed
[14:02] <Riddell> soee: not this week
[14:03] <shadeslayer> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742082/ < whitespace diff :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> changelog misinformed
[14:03] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:03] <alvin> shadeslayer: Yes, I'm using a mirror
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ah ah ah
[14:03] <shadeslayer> alvin: I get it on the live ISO too
[14:04] <shadeslayer> so, I'll debug it in a bit
[14:04] <alvin> shadeslayer: for libakonadi-contact4 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742094/
[14:05] <alvin> shadeslayer: thx!
[14:05] <Riddell> I don't even know how to do a meta package with a PPA
[14:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer, apachelogger: does neon use germinate for a meta package?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but should be easy
[14:06] <shadeslayer> alvin: ScottK I think something is still in proposed
[14:24] <sgclark> Can anyone help me with khtml http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742154/ all those symbols removed? this does not seem right, symbols are not my strongpoint.
[14:25] <Riddell> sgclark: those are from the plugins it should above the missing symbols
[14:25] <Riddell> khtmladaptorpart.so
[14:25] <Riddell> khtmlimagepart.so#
[14:25] <Riddell> khtmlpart.so
[14:25] <Riddell> etc
[14:25] <Riddell> are those now missing?
[14:37] <Riddell> sgclark: yes they've been moved into the -bin package so find to just remove those symbols lines from the package
[14:37] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:56] <sgclark> Riddell: now libkf5khtml-bin: shared-lib-without-dependency-information, do I need to create a symbols file for -bin?
[15:00] <Riddell> sgclark: nah they're plugins
[15:00] <Riddell> add a lintian-overrides
[15:01] <sgclark> Riddell: ok thanks
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: why do we have libkf5codecs-data for just locales
[15:07] <shadeslayer> seems a bit useless
[15:08] <soee> where is activities config stored ?
[15:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: arguably all -data are useless, just saves some disk space on the archive, I think scarlet added them for all frameworks
[15:08] <shadeslayer> git log says it was you :)
[15:09] <yofel> wasn't that for multiarch until we figured out that they're not needed?
[15:11] <soee> someone can give me a helping hand instaling plasma-next when this meta package is missing ? :)
[15:12] <Riddell> oh yes, and multi-arch
[15:12] <Riddell> yofel: why aren't they needed?
[15:12] <Riddell> soee: make sure kwin and plasma-desktop are installed, the rest is just window dressing
[15:12] <BluesKaj> lotsa kde upgrade packages held back here on 14.04 ...is this the kde upgrade to 4.13.2 ?
[15:13] <Riddell> you could also say that kwin is literally window dressing :)
[15:13] <Riddell> BluesKaj: same as ScottK was having, I've not looked into it
[15:13] <soee> Riddell: but plasma-desktop will remove window manager etc
[15:13] <Riddell> soee: now called just "kwin"
[15:14] <soee> Riddell: so if i install plasma-desktop it will remove some packages, it ok to have them removed ?>
[15:14] <yofel> Riddell: IIRC they are the same on all archs?
[15:15] <BluesKaj> Riddell, receiving complaints from worried users at #kubuntu, and told them you guys were working on it.
[15:18] <soee> ha, now i eded up with: plasma-desktop : Depends: plasma-desktop-data (= 4:4.97.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4) but it is not going to be installed
[15:19] <Riddell> yofel: right so they'll overlap if you install the amd4 and i386 package
[15:20] <Riddell> BluesKaj: thanks
[15:20] <yofel> Riddell: which is fine as long as they're bit-by-bit identical
[15:21] <yofel> although we might've kept them for sanity's sake as that's a rather flaky assumption
[15:21] <yofel> hm
[15:22] <Riddell> yofel: the files overlap, surely they can't be co-installed?
[15:22] <soee> so the plasma-desktop-data package might be missing ?
[15:22] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: should be fixed soon
[15:23] <BluesKaj> thanks, shadeslayer :)
[15:23] <shadeslayer> alvin: ScottK all fixed on the main archive
[15:23] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ^^
[15:25] <yofel> Riddell: dpkg will accept it as long as they're not different
[15:25] <yofel> "Note that any files in /usr/share or /etc must be byte-for-byte identical across architectures, otherwise file conflicts will result! This means, in particular, that any gzip-compressed files must be compressed with -n to avoid embedded timestamps. "
[15:25] <Riddell> yofel: interesting
[15:25] <soee> hmm, i forced to install plasma-dektop-data, than i can install plasma-desktop, but had kubuntu-desktop removed :)
[15:26] <soee> the kubuntu-desktop package is not required now?
[15:26] <Riddell> soee: nope
[15:26] <soee> ok, than reboot .. hope i will boot :) brb
[15:29] <yofel> BluesKaj: I just checked about 4.13.2 and libkdecore5 looks fine to me, so it's probably a badly synced mirror or so
[15:30] <yofel> it was released only an hour ago
[15:30] <BluesKaj> yofel, upgrading as we speak , looking good so far , thanks
[15:35] <soee> :) black screen now
[15:36] <BluesKaj> rebooted, upgrade seems fine here
[15:37] <soee> does the konsole package name changed in plasma-next ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yup 4.13.2 seems to be working here
[15:42] <shadeslayer> override_dh_auto_test:
[15:42] <shadeslayer>         true
[15:42] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:42] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ^^ :P
[15:42] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:43]  * shadeslayer fixes
[15:43] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I have no idea what you are referring to
[15:43] <shadeslayer> sgclark: that's from kconfig
[15:44] <sgclark> shadeslayer: don't recall touching that one
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ok, git log says it's from Riddell
[15:44] <shadeslayer> fun either way :)
[15:51] <Riddell> ta da! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/plasma-4.98.0/
[15:53] <shadeslayer> bah
[15:53] <shadeslayer> how does one make a utopic pbuilder
[15:53] <shadeslayer> sudo -E DIST=utopic pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[15:53] <shadeslayer> I: Distribution is trusty.
[15:53]  * shadeslayer throws a octopus at pbuilder
[15:55] <Riddell> is this spam or something I should be interested in? http://paste.kde.org/p1wskq4ji
[15:55] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I had to add utopic to .pbuilderrc before it would let me
[15:55] <Riddell> rbelem__, dantti: portugese dudes ^^
[15:56] <sgclark> Riddell: gosh no break lol
[15:56] <debfx> that poor octopus
[15:56] <Riddell> sgclark: no rest for us :)
[15:57] <shadeslayer> I did that
[15:57] <dantti> Riddell: I have no idea, never heard of blueice
[15:58] <shadeslayer> debfx: would you rather it be a unicode snowman :/
[15:58] <shadeslayer> *:>
[15:59] <soee> can i run terminal from konversation somehow ?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> don't think soi
[16:00] <debfx> that would be ineffective. it'd just melt midair.
[16:00] <soee> all settings related to desktop are stroed in .kde folder?
[16:00] <dantti> Riddell: it seems some company that customized kubuntu, the website is a mess I wouldn't bother :P
[16:01] <shadeslayer> can anyone see what what's wrong here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742542/
[16:02] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:02] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:02] <shadeslayer> stupid thing
[16:02] <shadeslayer> I should have been doing sudo -E dist= instead of sudo -E DIST=
[16:03] <shadeslayer> it's all apachelogger's
[16:03] <shadeslayer> +fault
[16:12] <soee> what can be the reason i see only window (konversation) but no panels, desktop etc. just black background
[16:21] <soee> plasmashell: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/plasma/dataengine/plasma_engine_powermanagement.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK5Solid7Battery9isPluggedEv
[16:21] <soee> any idea what cause this ?
[16:24] <sgclark> soee: not really sure atm you arent using new 5.0.0 with plasma are you?
[16:28] <sgclark> soee_: not really sure atm you arent using new 5.0.0 with plasma are you?
[16:29] <soee_> sgclark: yes
[16:29] <soee_> ant plasmashell crashes because of this
[16:30] <soee_> if i try to load plasmashell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7742679/
[16:30] <sgclark> soee_ we are in the middle of packaging and plasma was only released a bit ago, it is going to be a mess until all are packaged.
[16:30] <sgclark> soee_: yes disaster is promised right now, nothing can be done. Wait till all packages are done
[16:30] <soee_> :)
[16:34] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 12 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:47] <sgclark> Riddell: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html needs a refresh please
[16:48] <shadeslayer> sgclark: he's left
[16:50] <sgclark> shadeslayer: oh hmm
[16:51] <sgclark> shadeslayerr: is he coming back?
[16:52] <shadeslayer> not today he isn't
[16:52] <shadeslayer> :p
[16:52] <shadeslayer> I can fix that though
[16:52] <shadeslayer> one moment
[16:54] <soee> is there already milou package available to install ?
[16:55] <soee> !package milou
[16:57] <shadeslayer> !package plasma-widget-milou
[16:57] <shadeslayer> !package trusty-backports plasma-widget-milou
[16:57] <shadeslayer> psht
[16:57] <shadeslayer> !info trusty-backports plasma-widget-milou
[16:57] <shadeslayer> sigh
[16:57] <shadeslayer> nvm
[16:57] <shadeslayer> soee: it's in backports
[16:58] <soee> shadeslayer: im asking about utopic
[16:59] <shadeslayer> should be
[16:59] <shadeslayer> it's called plasma-widget-milou
[17:01] <shadeslayer> sgclark: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/next.html
[17:04] <shadeslayer> I don't understand why scp doesn't work for people.ubuntu.com :/
[17:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[17:04] <sgclark> shadeslayer: thx
[17:09] <shadeslayer> alright
[17:09] <shadeslayer> sgclark: page should update every 5 minutes
[17:09] <shadeslayer> or should it be faster
[17:09] <sgclark> shadeslayer: nah, I am on last package
[17:10] <sgclark> then I need a break...
[17:10] <shadeslayer> alrighty, I have to leave now
[17:10] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[17:10] <sgclark> cyas
[17:10]  * shadeslayer found minor polishing issues in kconfig
[17:10] <shadeslayer> nothing that we can't fix tomorrow
[17:11] <sgclark> ok
[17:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: I think because it has no shell, it requires explicit sftp
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[18:03] <rbelem__> Riddell, o/
[19:00] <Riddell> ooh close! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html
[21:59] <soee> ubiquity fails in unicorn when language is changed
[22:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.