[00:15] <leleobhz> when use usb-creator, using image as source and a FAT32 pendrive as target, i got this in startup and notting more happens: http://leleobhz.pastebin.com/d27d8d832
[00:16] <leleobhz> someone know this issue?
[00:23] <virtuald> leleobhz: what are you using as source?
[00:24] <blue0488> has anyone got the irc to work in empathy?
[00:25] <leleobhz> virtuald: karmic alpha5 image
[00:25] <virtuald> as far as i can see it expects a real cd
[00:25] <virtuald> but i don't know python :)
[00:28] <virtuald> leleobhz: try to mount the image and specify the mount point instead of the image
[00:29] <blue0488> has anyone got the freenode irc to work in empathy?
[00:29] <virtuald> i can try
[00:31] <nhasian> speaking of empathy, did they ever get the sound effects working in empathy?
[00:33] <virtuald> well now nothing works :p
[00:33] <blue0488> I don't know I need to get the irc working
[00:33] <virtuald> but it was like that before too, i probably have to reboot
[00:34] <virtuald> google telepathy debuging
[00:40] <_virtuald> it works
[00:41] <awc> i've noticed that with alpha 5 when playing music the volume varies greatly?
[00:42] <awc> is this a know bug?
[00:42] <awc> known*
[00:47] <Fudge> when will alpha6 come out?
[00:47] <Fudge> or is the schedule on track, not that i have the url for it
[00:47] <arand> !releaseschedule
[00:48] <virtuald> !eta
[00:48] <Fudge> aww
[00:49] <arand> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[00:49] <Fudge> oh its in teh topic
[00:49] <arand> ubottu need a lesson... Fudge: hehe ;)
[00:51] <Fudge> i do
[00:51] <Fudge> September 17th  |  |  |  Alpha 6  |
[00:51] <hrhodes3> how will karmic do on eeepc today
[00:54] <Fudge> hrhodes3 netbook remix dosent perform to well on my 701
[00:56] <hrhodes3> I use to full desk top on my eeepc 1000hd and it works great
[00:57] <hrhodes3> I just want to make sure the live karmic will not break it
[00:59] <Fudge> hrhodes3 im not sure how to stop the cpu stepping
[01:00] <hrhodes3> i dont know either
[01:01] <Fudge> !stepping cpu
[01:02] <adelie42> Testing out "Service Pack Creator" of PackageKit, and when I save my package.list, it is empty. Is this project still in its infancy, hopefully to be ready by release time?
[01:03] <adelie42> "CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor" is a gnome-panel applet that may provide what you are looking for
[01:06] <awalton> mac_v, think we plugged the massive leak you were seeing, though it's probably not the end of the problems...
[01:07] <awalton> bad patch was causing nautilus to essentially leak all of the UI widgets (sidebar, views, etc)
[01:11] <guepower> good ngiht for all users!!
[01:17] <aboSamoor> awalton: I think that ubuntu should consider a new file manager, I am using dolphin and even this one is  much newer, it is a way reliable
[01:17] <awalton> aboSamoor, good for you.
[01:32] <mikejet> Where is there a list of Desktop UI improvements?
[01:38] <DKcross> Pulse audio its crashed!:s
[01:38] <DKcross> in my netbook, pulseaudio have 101% of my cpu:S
[01:38] <DKcross> in terminal with "top"
[01:51] <tj83> DKcross, lol 101% it seriously reports that or you messin?
[01:52] <tj83> DKcross, and yes... pulseaudio is a mess on my end too.
[01:52] <bernie_> upgraded to karmic and now my comp. is super slow?...
[01:52] <Polterge|st> it is working well for me at the moment but ...
[01:52] <Polterge|st> rhythmbox is not logging in right now
[01:53] <tj83> bernie_, you have to understand.... its not really for desktop use.... expect it to be buggy and buggy it is.
[01:53] <Polterge|st> although logging out of Gnome and logging back in might fix that
[01:53] <Polterge|st> other than that I tweaked my pulse audio config
[01:53] <tj83> Polterge|st, share your tweak... did it fix the crashing?
[01:53] <bernie_> so how do i go back to jaunty
[01:53] <Polterge|st> tj83, well first thing you should do tj83
[01:53] <tj83> bernie_, i'm not sure you can
[01:54] <Polterge|st> log out of Gnome and go to the terminal and delete ~/.pulse
[01:54] <Polterge|st> get rid of your old settings first
[01:54] <tj83> ok, so kill the config folder, got ya...
[01:54] <Polterge|st> since it recreates itself
[01:54] <gsker> Here's a Karmic question -- will we see xen kernels for 9.10?
[01:54] <Polterge|st> oh and before you do that
[01:54] <Polterge|st> do this "killall pulseaudio"
[01:54] <Polterge|st> and do it until it says "no such process"
[01:55] <tj83> Polterge|st, but it respawns to quickly...
[01:55] <Polterge|st> you have to keep hitting the up arrow and hitting enter again
[01:55] <gsker> I've been using the debian kernel trick and it seems pretty hokey. It works, but it just doesn't seem right .:-)
[01:55] <Polterge|st> eventually you will kill it
[01:55] <Polterge|st> then you need to look at your settings in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[01:56] <bernie_> so i have to wamonths before i can maximize a window that doesn't take 30 sedconds
[01:56] <Polterge|st> and also in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[01:56] <tj83> Polterge|st, oddly enough this time it said no killed right away... perhaps it died indefinitely while i was out lol
[01:56] <tj83> ok, what about the .confs?
[01:56] <Polterge|st> I played around with a bunch of different settings in the fragment area at the bottom
[01:57] <Polterge|st> enable real time priority in daemon.conf
[01:57] <Polterge|st> and enable real time priority level 5
[01:57] <Polterge|st> and also enable nice = -11
[01:57] <Polterge|st> and enable remixing
[01:57] <Polterge|st> and then enable mem-lcok
[01:57] <Polterge|st> mem-lock*
[01:58] <Polterge|st> memory lock rather
[01:58]  * tj83 was hand writing this.... think i'll print :)
[01:58] <Polterge|st> at the bottom I changed my packet and packet duration values to be 8 packets at 5 milliseconds a piece
[01:59] <Polterge|st> if that doesn't work then play around with 10 - 12
[01:59] <tj83> Polterge|st, can you just pastbin your .confs ?
[01:59] <Polterge|st> 10 - 12 packets at 5 milliseconds a piece
[01:59] <Polterge|st> yeah
[01:59] <Polterge|st> hold on a moment
[01:59] <tj83> TY
[02:01] <Polterge|st> ok tj83 try this
[02:01] <bernie_> anyone know how to fix a slow computer with Karmic?
[02:01] <Polterge|st> http://pastebin.com/m57e18891   that goes in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[02:01] <Polterge|st> you could just copy and paste it probably
[02:02] <tj83> Polterge|st, ty i will.
[02:02] <Polterge|st> and that is on the highest resampler value but is still working well for me
[02:02] <Polterge|st> ok now in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[02:02] <Polterge|st> ...
[02:03] <bernie_> anyone know where I could get help with a slow computer with Karmic?
[02:03] <billybigrigger> define slow
[02:03] <Polterge|st> http://pastebin.com/m5e724d5 this is my /etc/pulse/client.conf
[02:04] <tj83> Polterge|st, working now, let you know in a few many thanks
[02:04] <bernie_> takes 30 seconds to maximieze a window
[02:04] <billybigrigger> what are your specs?
[02:04] <billybigrigger> try to disable compositing first...
[02:04] <Polterge|st> oh and tj83
[02:04] <billybigrigger> goto System>Preferences>Appearance
[02:04] <Polterge|st> I have one other thing I can show you that might help also
[02:04] <bernie_> intel embedded chipset
[02:04] <billybigrigger> then goto the advanced, or effects tab, its the last on the right
[02:05] <billybigrigger> and make sure none is checked
[02:05] <bernie_> p4
[02:05] <billybigrigger> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:05] <bernie_> ubuntu
[02:05] <billybigrigger> is compiz enabled? ie effects?
[02:06] <tj83> Polterge|st, ok whats that? i created back ups or my original files, replaced with yours, i killed pulse and removed ~/.pulse
[02:06] <bernie_> no compiz
[02:06] <billybigrigger> check /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:06] <billybigrigger> try and use the "vesa" driver
[02:06] <Polterge|st> pl tj83 here is the last config
[02:06] <Polterge|st> put this in /etc/asound.conf     http://pastebin.com/m4ac416b8
[02:06] <tj83> billybigrigger, compiz will have effects under vesa?
[02:07] <Polterge|st> tj83, these are the config files for tweaking out pulse
[02:07] <Polterge|st> your audio quality should be a bit better by default now
[02:07] <tj83> doing the last now Polterge|st i hope it helps and appreciate it
[02:07] <bernie_> but then my monitor looks like crap; i won't have the proper resolution
[02:07] <Polterge|st> your system is set to look for 4 speakers / channels by default now and set the pulse audio daemon to real time
[02:08] <Polterge|st> that and it is set to respawn and not just die
[02:08] <tj83> Polterge|st, strangely asound.conf does not exist at that path for me?
[02:08] <Polterge|st> yeah the tutorial said you can create it
[02:08] <tj83> ah ok.
[02:08] <Polterge|st> it hasn't hurt anything on my system so far
[02:09] <Polterge|st> ok now after you save those config files do this ... "sudo alsa force-reload"
[02:09] <Polterge|st> or do "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart | sudo alsa force-reload"
[02:10] <bernie_> anyone know how to fix a slow computer in Karmic?
[02:10] <Polterge|st> those last commands are just to make sure you kill, restart, and reload the audio daemon and all of its modules
[02:10] <tj83> Polterge|st, done... any restarting of x or anything like that? full reboot?
[02:11] <Polterge|st> naaa
[02:11] <Polterge|st> just do the command I typed above now
[02:11] <Polterge|st> and then try to restart a music player and test it out
[02:11] <tj83> Polterge|st, lets see :P
[02:11] <Polterge|st> it may help you because after I switched to those settings it seemed to help my setup
[02:11] <Polterge|st> I have almost not audio stuttering at all now except for when my system is really loaded down
[02:11] <Polterge|st> and that is just because of the kernel
[02:12] <tj83> Polterge|st, ok, well the applications that would not load music media still dont, but vlc did before, and still does, and yes.. quality is much better! woot
[02:12] <tj83> SCORE! for Polterge|st
[02:13] <Polterge|st> :)
[02:13] <Polterge|st> tj83,  just keep updating now
[02:13] <tj83> Polterge|st, i dont care what the other say about ya, your a good dude :P
[02:13] <Polterge|st> and it should probably find more updates
[02:13] <Polterge|st> hehe
[02:13] <Polterge|st> thanks
[02:13] <Polterge|st> lol
[02:13]  * tj83 says smoke break
[02:14] <Polterge|st> I was about to do the same thing
[02:14] <Polterge|st> hehe
[02:14] <Polterge|st> I will be back in about 10
[02:15] <DKcross> pulseaudio is bad!:..
[02:16] <DKcross> 2860 dk        20   0 87488 5112 3988 R   91  0.5   3:49.25 pulseaudi
[02:22] <dotblank> Anyones volume control broken>?
[02:22] <dotblank> or at least the applet
[02:22] <dotblank> it always segfaults for me
[02:24] <bernie_> anyone know how to fix slow computer with Karmic on it?
[02:24] <kavurt> my karmic cannot see wireless. can someone help?
[02:24] <DKcross> :\
[02:24] <DKcross> bernie_,  what is the problem?
[02:24] <DKcross> your computer is more slow with karmic?
[02:25] <bernie_> everything is slower, a lot slower
[02:25] <bernie_> stuck in molasses slow
[02:25] <dotblank> is this an upgrade or full install
[02:25] <bernie_> upgrade from Jaunty
[02:25] <dotblank> ugh
[02:26] <dotblank> yea they can be nasty
[02:27] <bernie_> what can i do?
[02:27] <dotblank> are your video drivers install
[02:27] <dotblank> and you need to define slow
[02:27] <bernie_> even typing is slow; all browers are slower
[02:28] <dotblank> is compiz enabled?
[02:28] <bernie_> no compiz; I have Intel embedded chipset Brookdale something...
[02:28] <dotblank> hmm
[02:28] <dotblank> intel drivers have been under rapid upgrade and revision
[02:29] <dotblank> I run nvidia
[02:29] <bernie_> every problem i have had with ubuntu is almost always associated with this stupid intel chipset
[02:30] <tj83> bernie_, for a desktop 8.04 is prolly the best bet for u.
[02:30] <bernie_> someone suggested to install xorg-video-2.4 for intel but i can't find it in Karmic
[02:32] <bernie_> can i downgrade back to Jaunty or 8.04?
[02:32] <bernie_> there is a crash report icon up top
[02:32] <tj83> bernie_, i ALWAYS do clean installs. less chances of problems. just back up your stuff.
[02:32] <dotblank> I guess changing the repo back and frocing versions would do it.. but
[02:32] <tj83> bernie_, probably pulseaudio lol
[02:32] <dotblank> I dont think its a good idea
[02:33] <bernie_> what is a clean install?
[02:33] <tj83> starting with a clean partition  bernie_ :)
[02:33] <bernie_> like using the whole hdd
[02:35] <tj83> bernie_, well, not required.... just the partition its installed to.... if you dont have multiple partitions besides swap, then you will want to offload your things to another media like an external drive or over the network to another pc, dvd's something.
[02:36] <tj83> bernie_, if securing your data and partitioning are not familiar territory moving to karmic was a BAD idea.
[02:37] <bernie_> what can i do then?
[02:37] <tj83> bernie_, i would suggest saving your files you really want to keep and then just re-installing 8.04
[02:37] <alankila> well, for the next time, I recommend making a /home partition on the harddisk. Just keep all your stuff under that, you can nuke the OS at will.
[02:37] <bernie_> i don't have any data that is life threatning
[02:38] <alankila> a suitable system partition is something like 6 GB or more, depending on how maximalist you are
[02:38] <tj83> easily done then, pop in a 8.04 disk and on your way :) look into manually partitioning in the installer and save yourself a headache or two in the future and make some storage space
[02:38] <danbhfive> bernie_: I've heard that the ubuntu installer now saves your /home directory.  But, I don't know if that's true, or if it is true for hardy
[02:39] <tj83> danbhfive, its certainly NOT true unless you created an individual /home partition to begin with. and you carefully re-install.
[02:40] <bernie_> my xorg.config file is bare bones; could that be athe problem
[02:41] <danbhfive> tj83: well, it certainly wasn't true awhile ago, but the person who told me seemed sure of himself...
[02:42] <tj83> bernie_, no, anymore the system depends very little on xorg.conf some have an entirely blank one.
[02:42] <bernie_> good, i hate that thing
[02:43] <tj83> danbhfive, ask him after his next install :)
[02:56] <alankila> hmm. None of these iso-to-usb image writing software seem to work for me... usb-imagewriter crashed on trying to unmount a not-mounted device (maybe I should mount it so that it could unmount it, the stupid thing), and the official usb-creator just flatly refuses to work, it appears to claim it doesn't find the image file it's supposed to write and can't therefore do anything.
[02:58] <danbhfive> alankila: I thought they just use isos now.  I haven't seen the .img files anymore
[02:58] <bucky> Yeee Haaaw!  after putting off a kernel upgrade until now, my drive choked and couldn't read or write and after a hard shutdown and booting into the old kernel the boot screen threw me into a rescue prompt and  instructed me to run fsck manually, it fixed a few inodes
[02:58] <alankila> well, it actually says "No such file or directory" as the error, but no clue which file it tried to ope
[02:58] <alankila> I'm sort of *guessing* it means "the image file to write", which is actually an .iso
[02:59] <alankila> unforgivable given that this is python, it would be easy to dump the actual file name it wanted to write. Not like C where writing error handling code that does anything that spit out "ERROR" makes blood come out of your ears.
[03:00] <bucky> alankila, alankila did you try apt-cache show unetbootin and checkout http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[03:00] <bucky> it's pretty cool
[03:00] <alankila> well, let's give this one a spin.
[03:02] <alankila> huh, it at least does something. What is this made with, it looks super odd... Qt?
[03:03] <alankila> well, that was painless. :)
[03:08] <alankila> I'm especially impressed by the fact that this worked despite I don't have qt libs and my system is 64-bit too. Has someone solved the problem of linux software distribution? What did it do, dump out a minimal environment under /tmp where it could run?
[03:09] <Lars_G> Anyone here using karmic on a netbook as well?
[03:10] <Lars_G> for those who are, is it me, or the last few updates (bout 5 days or so) have made the system much slower? specially switching apps, even when top shows none is taking much cpu or ram
[03:10] <Lars_G> maybe a kernel change?
[03:24] <grodius> hello karmic friends
[03:25] <grodius> is there a wiki for upgrading jaunty to karmic?
[03:25] <Vovk> you probably wanna do a clean install
[03:25] <grodius> oh yeah?
[03:25] <grodius> k
[03:25] <Vovk> karmic is only in alpha, i doubt there's a nice procedure
[03:25] <grodius> k
[03:25] <grodius> have you been playing with it?
[03:26] <Vovk> not at all... though i played with both gutsy and intrepid before they came out and i've always had to do a clean install...
[03:26] <Vovk> if you keep a separate home partition, then it will be easy
[03:26] <grodius> yea i did the upgrade to jaunty alpha and it f'd up my comp so i think your advice is sound
[03:26] <Lars_G> Well on my netbook I updated from Jaunty
[03:27] <grodius> oh yes?
[03:27] <Vovk> nb remix?
[03:27] <grodius> in the netbook build?
[03:27] <Lars_G> aye nb remix
[03:27] <Vovk> how is that btw? :) i've conisdered giving it to my friend
[03:27] <Lars_G> very good, it's just ubuntu with 4 great apps added in
[03:27] <Vovk> ah. nice. well, we run the risk of being off topic. let's get back to the karmic upgrade
[03:28] <grodius> theyre watching
[03:28] <grodius> lols
[03:29] <Vovk> !ot | grodius
[03:29] <Vovk> bwhahahaha
[03:29] <Vovk> ok so yeah
[03:29] <Vovk> tell me how your install process goes :) i don't have a spare machine to try it on ;)
[03:30] <Lars_G> !upgrade
[03:30] <Vovk> those are instructions for upgrading to jaunty...
[03:37] <w4ett> GE All
[03:38] <Vovk> Good Morning to you, young man
[03:39] <w4ett> lol...wish I was young :)
[03:40] <Vovk> i forgot that we are on the internet. everyone is a 40-50 year old white dude
[03:40] <Vovk> I wonder if I can still shout at people to get off of my lawn
[03:40] <w4ett> my lp profile tells all...
[03:40] <levarnu> Should installing the 'kubuntu-netbook' metapackage on a UNR install make all the necessary changes to switch...and has anyone tried it?
[03:41] <Vovk> err
[03:41] <Vovk> what you will end up with
[03:41] <Vovk> will be both
[03:41] <Vovk> KDE and Gnome, and all their applications installed
[03:42] <levarnu> true, but the UNR items won't be running or will I need to manually back those specific items out
[03:42] <Vovk> levarnu, I think it will load the gtk libraries and whatnot when you start the netbook. hold on one second
[03:42] <levarnu> I've got the space for both
[03:43] <Vovk> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde will remove all gnome stuff from your normal ubuntu 9.04 install
[03:43] <Vovk> i dunno about the netbook remix
[03:44] <Vovk> If you have space, that's great. it still might make your computer slower though by loading unneeded libraries
[03:45] <levarnu> Yea, that's what I was wondering is if it'd still be loading unassociated items.
[03:45] <Vovk> levarnu, it will i think
[03:45] <levarnu> I might as well save the partitions and do another install to be clean...just hadn't heard about the activity with KNE until a couple hours ago
[03:46] <levarnu> thought it might be interesting to see the kde approach to netbooks
[03:46] <danbhfive> careful with the psychocats on unr, as the command install kubuntu-desktop
[03:47] <levarnu> ah, good point. althought, given the changes between 9.10 and 9.04 I'm pretty hesitant on those instructions.  I've been away from gaming for a while
[04:38] <histo> Now I have a reason to be up all night
[04:41] <histo> All we need now is the impact vest from tngames.com working with quakelive
[04:48] <histo> whoops imenat to be in offtopic
[05:07] <frybye> Hi - any good sources for dual-boot installation problems K.Koala and win7?
[05:08] <DanaG> I also wish quakelive had a no-account-required spectator mode, so I could see how it performs.
[05:10] <stlsaint> frybye, the forums are the best to trouble shoot issues
[05:10] <bjsnider> frybye, probably should install windows first, then install linux. that should probably eliminate dual-boot issues
[05:11] <frybye> bjs... I had win7 up and running real nice - tried an automated dual-boot install with 9.10 alpha5 and spent sunday re-installing win7 after it was not accessable and I dont know enough linux/grub stuff to repair...
[05:12] <stlsaint> bjsnider, there are alot of factors with that tho...how many hdd, etc etc
[05:12] <frybye> I will probably just have to wait till kk is final and hope it works right then...
[05:12] <stlsaint> frybye, remember that yes karmic isnt yet fully stable...
[05:13] <frybye> stlsaint: yeah of course.. that is why I was not really annoyed at what happened... I took a risk and it pooped - my fault...
[05:14] <stlsaint> but yea make sure to have windows installed first than add ubuntu so to prevent you from having to write grub to mbr
[05:14] <frybye> on the other hand I think if ubuntu is to have a chance to gain a foothold - or a better one with the mass of consumers - a smooth automated dual boot install is very important...
[05:15] <frybye> stlsaint: yep i am aware that that way round it is generally much simpler - but this time it still fried up...
[05:15] <stlsaint> frybye, yes ubuntu is VERY smooth to dual install...matter-a-fact you can import your windows profile into ubuntu so you can have all your music,pics, docu, etc etc
[05:16] <frybye> hmmm... nice to hear it - here it just left me a system where I could no longer boot to win7 at all...
[05:16] <stlsaint> how is your rig setup?
[05:16] <stlsaint> how many hdd i mean?
[05:16] <frybye> one sata 250GB...
[05:17] <stlsaint> are you knowledgeable on partitions?
[05:17] <frybye> it has a ntfs part with the win7 on it - and apparently some legacy bits when I run gparted from the live disk...
[05:18] <frybye> no not really - that is my problem... not enough background knowledge to do a manual install on my own...
[05:19] <Autumn> so.. quick question... Palimpsest is warning me that my HD is failing. How valid/reliable are those warnings? If true, that might explain some problems I'm having with my system.
[05:19] <frybye> but on the other hand I have 2 pc's here able to access the net... if/when I find a knowledgable person who has time interest to walk me thru the install step by step - then I can run irc on the other pc to do that...
[05:19] <stlsaint> Autumn, what kind of issues you having?
[05:20] <stlsaint> frybye, there is documentation for dual booting...wait one please
[05:20] <Autumn> Video buffering issues, slowness, programs hanging in both win7 and ubuntu 9.04 (9.10 is on my flash drive right now)
[05:21] <Autumn> win7 did eat itself and complained it couldn't find a vital system file, but that could just be windows SOP
[05:22] <stlsaint> frybye, here is a good place to start... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[05:22] <mac_v> has anyone been able to use yahoo web chat with empathy?
[05:22] <frybye> stlsaint: cool - thanx I will have a look...
[05:22] <stlsaint> if consisten testing shows a bad hdd than you may want to consider a backup of your system
[05:23] <stlsaint> frybye, no prob..and im sure there are many ppl willing to help with dual installs...i my self have done them many many atimes and its quite easy once you go thru it once
[05:23] <Autumn> hmm... looks like I might need a new drive then. Thanks for confirming the warnings are valid
[05:25] <frybye> stlsaint: the dumb thing is - I have done it a number of times myself.. incl manual install with assistance - but have a damaged (war disab-) memory and cant remember the prev. details.. will study the stuff you refered too first.. brb
[05:25] <stlsaint> k
[05:26] <stlsaint> Autumn, no prob
[05:26] <stlsaint> mac_v, not a empathy user myself...have you considered pidgin
[05:28] <mac_v> stlsaint: oh... didnt try , does it work in pidgin for you?
[05:29] <stlsaint> you mean use yahoo instant messenger? if so than yes it does..there are some changes you may need to make if your willing!
[05:30] <frybye> bye for now - thanks for tips...
[05:32] <stlsaint> frybye later
[05:35] <stlsaint> mac_v, i guess yahoo had some server issues with using pidgin but it can be fixed and i use yahoo with pidgin now all the time...its my main client
[05:36] <mac_v> stlsaint: oh...good to know... thanks
[05:36]  * mac_v downloading
[05:37] <stlsaint> where are you downloading from? hopefully synap
[05:37] <Spider21> anyone with grub2 experiance
[05:37] <mac_v> stlsaint: yup good ol' synaptic :)
[05:37] <stlsaint> Spider21, have you seen the grub2 manual?
[05:38] <mac_v> !grub2 > Spider21
[05:38] <mpontillo>  /msg ubottu grub2
[05:38] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[05:38] <mpontillo> heh - oops, I like to know what ubottu would have said if I come across a new one ;)
[05:38] <Spider21> lol
[05:40] <Spider21> *new to the linux world* and trying to run before i walk lol
[05:40] <mac_v> Spider21: BTW , what is the problem ?/
[05:40] <stlsaint> mac_v, you may have to re-install at some point
[05:40] <mac_v> stlsaint: huh? reinstall pidgin?
[05:41] <Spider21> ok... hopefully i communicate this right
[05:41] <stlsaint> yes i dont think the one from synap is fully working with yahoo yet
[05:41] <stlsaint> may want to hold off on that as you will go thru a differnt way with me
[05:41] <stlsaint> brb
[05:41] <mac_v> stlsaint: hmm...
[05:43] <Spider21> ok right now i have cd.1 for running ubuntu live i can also install from it clearly cd2 is kubuntu cuz im not sure what one i like better lol, i also use either of them for fixing windows boxes, cd3 is a copy of windows xp for when i reformat someones pc cd4. is vista it would be awesome if i could take all these isos that i used to burn all these cds and boot to a usb key and have them all listed on there USING GRUB2 i know its poss
[05:43] <Spider21>  other programs
[05:43] <Spider21> but im a knuckle head and want to use grub2 :D plus i want to learn something in the process
[05:47] <mac_v> Spider21: you want to install the 4 iso's to a usb stick?
[05:47] <Spider21> no
[05:48] <Spider21> just have them sitting there to boot
[05:48] <Spider21> read only
[05:50] <mac_v> Spider21: that i'm not sure is possible ;) , but maybe there is a way to hack it
[05:50] <Spider21> whats not possible the windows isos or the linux style iso's
[05:51] <mpontillo> Spider21: interesting question. you might read http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2009/05/25/boot-an-iso-via-grub2/ to get started. probably #grub is the right channel if you have questions though
[05:52] <Spider21> well well wouldnt that make sence lol
[05:52] <Spider21> sorry for such noob questions
[05:53] <Spider21> oh and already read that one lol i have been resarching this for a few days now my poor heads getting a sore spot on it from all the banging onto the desk lol
[05:53] <Spider21> www.hak5.org/episodes/episode-524 is SORTA what i want to do
[05:54] <Spider21> if i knew ANYTHING about linux this might work for me www.panticz.de/multibootusb
[05:54] <Spider21> im having trouble just installing grub2 to my usb
[05:56] <mac_v> Spider21: see mpontillo's link , thats the kind of hack i was thinking about , it should work
[05:56] <stlsaint> Spider21, heres a manual on Grub2...maybe it can give a few pointers... http://grub.enbug.org/Manual
[06:04] <mpontillo> If I'm reading the comments right on that post correctly, what Spider21 is asking for is probably not possible - because the chained bootloader (loopback .iso image) would not have the logic to continue booting (reading its image data from the looped back iso image it's on)
[06:15] <Spider21> what post mpontillo
[06:16] <mpontillo> Spider21: the first one I linked. I was watching the video from hak5 that you linked. 7:00 in it starts getting iteresting, but they are using Windows tools (pe2usb so far) to start off with... not sure what the Linux equivalents are
[06:20] <Spider21> i have all sorts of tabs open in chrome all with similar things to what i wish to accomplish but all the *tutorials* seem to assume u have more than the basics of linux knowledge and im not sure i even have the basics so i may be trying to run before i can crawl lol
[06:22] <mpontillo> the guy is using Windows to install grub - oh the horrors ;) I'm trying to see if I can follow how he makes this work...
[06:23] <Spider21>  i know thats why i want to use linux and install grub2 from ubuntu but im to retarted after u watch the video look at second link
[06:24] <Spider21> http://www.panticz.de/multibootusb
[06:25] <mpontillo> Spider21: why not try it the way a legacy-grub tutorial tells you how to do it, then try to move it to grub2 when you're done?
[06:27] <Spider21> u mean upgrade it from legacy? i attempted to do that today.... successfully updated my ubuntu install to grub 2 lol thats about all the progress i made
[06:29] <mpontillo> I mean for your USB project - so it's not so daunting to learn all at once. 13:30 in - sounds like the way he gets around the "loopback boot loader" problem is to extract the contents of the .iso (maybe on-the-fly)
[06:30] <Spider21> yeah but in grub .95 i belive it was they added iso9660 support and all i have read about grub2 says this is possible
[06:32] <Spider21> http://diliman-networks.com/?page_id=21 makes it seem SOOOOO easy..... damn windoze for infecting my brain at such an early age
[06:33] <Spider21> its like learning another language
[07:00] <mpontillo> Spider21, the video leads me to believe that it may not be possible to add your Windows image to the "multi USB stick". but that's okay, this is #ubuntu+1; I wouldn't recommend you do that anyway ;)
[07:02] <mpontillo> he uses a Windows version of a tool from this Linux distro http://www.slitaz.org/en/get/ (TazUSB) to create bootable images of Linux distros that get extracted on the fly.
[07:18] <Spider21> hummm ok thanks for your input mpontillo
[07:19] <Spider21> goodnight all
[07:57] <taneli> what is this: WARNING: WARNING: /usr/share/pyshared/lsb_release.py is linked but does not belong to any package.
[07:58] <maxb> Fairly benign, a misfeature of python-support
[08:11] <MindVirus> What is startup-manager and is it recommended to keep on the system?
[08:36] <MindVirus> Anyone know?
[08:38] <virtuald> mindvirus: it's just a gui to /etc/default/grub
[08:38] <MindVirus> virtuald: Ahh, OK. I don't want to have the grub package installed on my computer and startupmanager pulls it in as a dependency so I figured I'd remove both.
[08:40] <virtuald> if you have upgraded to grub 2 you can probably do that safely
[08:46] <MindVirus> virtuald: I did.
[08:46] <MindVirus> virtuald: does startup-manager function with grub2?
[08:48] <virtuald> yes
[08:48] <MindVirus> virtuald: do you know then why does startup-manager have grub as a dep?
[08:49] <virtuald> no i don't know that :)
[08:49] <MindVirus> :)
[08:49] <virtuald> maybe it works with both
[08:49] <MindVirus> Perhaps but the problem isn't its functionality.
[08:49] <virtuald> but should be grub || grub-pc or something then
[08:50] <MindVirus> grub-pc is grub2 AFAIK.
[08:50] <virtuald> yeah
[08:50] <MindVirus> What does that line mean?
[08:50] <MindVirus> grub, if not grub then grub-pc?
[08:51] <MindVirus> "||" tells me "or".
[08:51] <MindVirus> But that "?" throws me off.
[08:52] <virtuald> i meant just grub or grub 2
[08:54] <MindVirus> I see.
[08:55] <virtuald> jag hatar den byråkrati
[08:56] <virtuald> wrong channel :>
[10:00] <Polterge|st> ok I have a new issue
[10:01] <Polterge|st> the gnome-power-manager didn't completely install a moment ago because the computer froze up
[10:01] <Polterge|st> I had to reboot in the middle of that
[10:01] <Polterge|st> how do I reinstall the Gnome power manager so that I can correctly install its default settings ?
[10:03] <Polterge|st> my gnome-panel theme disappeared and it went back to that bland color
[10:03] <Polterge|st> and all windows did too
[10:35] <Polterge|st> ok I solved my problem
[10:36] <Polterge|st> just went into my folder where archives are cached and reinstalled the package and it fixed the settings
[11:21] <vigo> Is alpha5 on the upstream?
[11:22] <dto> hello vigo.
[11:22] <vigo> Hello dto
[11:23] <vigo> How are you at this time?
[11:24] <dto> i'm doing well.
[11:24] <dto> enjoying ubuntu_1
[11:24] <dto> +1
[11:24] <dto> especially the way Sound Preferences has changed.
[11:24] <vigo> That is nice.
[11:25] <dto> i have 2 positions for the laptop in this room: in my comfy chair, where i use the built-in audio with speakers or headphones, and on the desk where i plug into a hub with a nice outboard USB audio from M-Audio
[11:25] <vigo> I think I did state that it is a learning curve, is mainly forgetting and then learning the easy or proper way to enjoy.
[11:25] <dto> and M-audio speakers.
[11:25] <dto> the new system makes it easier to switch audio devices.
[11:26] <dto> i am noticing one odd thing, which is that the media buttons sometimes have a long lag before their action happens
[11:26] <vigo> dto: Have you looked at the MyThbuntu packages?
[11:26] <dto> for example i turn up or down the volume knob, usually it just works, but sometimes it lags and the rhythmbox window hangs, (music not interrupted though)
[11:26] <vigo> Or Ubuntu Studio, I forget wich way that is going now.
[11:27] <dto> i should check them out.
[11:27] <dto> i did try ubuntu studio with 9.04 recently but had problems
[11:27] <vigo> They have Jack and such already in and ready to go.
[11:28] <vigo> dto: Yeah, I had the same error with the 9.04,
[11:28] <dto> i will check it out. unfortunately i'm kind of waiting on linux fixes for this laptop, whatever is wrong with it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-rt/+bug/425358
[11:29] <vigo> Reverted to 8.04 and waiting on 9.10 now.
[11:30] <vigo> oh whoops! I forgot to update this morning....
[11:32] <daemonk> hi all, I want to upgrade to koamic today, I know it is not production but is it relatively stable?
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> daemonk: its not bad here. If you can fix your own issues then its not so bad. There are teething problems
[11:33] <daemonk> ok, I am happy with tweaking and fixing etc.
[11:33] <vigo> Is fun
[11:33] <daemonk> as long as I can still use my machine
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> then have a ball
[11:33] <daemonk> k great
[11:33] <daemonk> all the motivation I need ;)
[11:33] <daemonk> thanks!
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> daemonk: how do you mean "how long can I still use my machine"?
[11:34] <vigo> !backup
[11:34] <daemonk> as long, I still want to use my machine but apreciate that this is not a production release
[11:34] <vigo> had to do that, just for funzies.
[11:34] <daemonk> kewl I will rsync to a server I have all my data
[11:34] <daemonk> hehe
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> you can use it just fine, you will also upgrade seamlessly to the release candidate
[11:35] <daemonk> excellent thanks!
[11:35] <vigo> I just grabbed the updates FAST.
[11:37] <vigo> server must be on that newest AND, 6 core , the specs still amaze me.
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> vigo: can be trounced with server clusters
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> vigo: wanna see a silly computer spec?
[11:38] <vigo> Yes!
[11:39] <dto> lots of updates this morning in synaptic. what's new?
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> vigo: takes 5 weeks to boot: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1185629/Met-office-unveils-UKs-powerful-supercomputer-admits-weather-forecasts-WRONG.html
[11:40] <vigo> Pidgeon
[11:40] <dto> this is exciting for me because it's a chance to help get the new ubuntu working on this laptop.
[11:41] <dto> i.e. help (in some small way) with development
[11:41] <vigo> ActionParsnip: Love that photo, the tech looks befuddled.
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> little bit, its a beast though
[11:43] <sque> Hello, is it a way to disable KMS?
[11:43] <sque> is there*
[11:43] <dto> vigo: a (somewhat blurry) pic of my shiny new ubuntu+1 laptop :)
[11:43] <vigo> There was one on flickr or some thing of a homeade server, was like 8 PCs with boards exposed on some Lowes Pine shelves, crude but effective.
[11:46] <vigo> sque: I do not know KMS, but I am pretty sure there is, there is a way to disable anything, still looking.
[11:47] <dto> vigo: oops, forgot to paste link: http://imagebin.ca/view/TX5b2vQ.html
[11:48] <vigo> sque: This may help: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1162930.html
[11:49] <vigo> dto: Thank you, how long have you played Keys?
[11:49] <alteregoa> shiny happy ubunty
[11:49] <dto> since i was a kid. i don't do it very well tho :)
[11:50] <alteregoa> ddate
[11:50] <dto> vigo: i'd like to get karmic installed on my other box.
[11:51] <alteregoa> hmm sweetmorn, the 32nd day of bureaucracy in the yold 3175
[11:51] <vigo> I just gave my Hammond Lowery to a church, they needed it more than I did.
[11:52] <sque> vigo, thank you!
[11:53] <alteregoa> heh
[11:53] <alteregoa> why the hell ubuntu wants to install lilo?
[11:53] <alteregoa> i use grub2
[11:54] <vigo> alteregoa: Got some RPMs or something installed?
[11:54] <alteregoa> no
[11:54] <dto> vigo: my other box is this: http://dto.github.com/notebook/karmapod.html
[11:54] <alteregoa> it said to install lilo mbr
[11:55] <vigo> Ubuntu uses GRUB, do you dual boot with freeBSD or somesuch?
[11:55] <alteregoa> no i got a dualboot with vista
[11:55] <alteregoa> i updated to grub2 3 days ago
[11:55] <alteregoa> lilo would mash up my system
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> alteregoa: grub2 may be surplus, gru2 offers a lot of functionality. lilo is a simpler beast
[11:56] <alteregoa> yeah but why the hell the package manager tries to install lilo
[11:56] <vigo> I have Fedora and BSD on other HDDs on this box. Have had issues with Lilo, but they were fixed.
[11:57] <alteregoa> i don't care about lilo
[11:57] <alteregoa> i have GRUB2
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> alteregoa: then uninstall it
[11:57] <alteregoa> its not installed
[11:57] <vigo> purge the beast
[11:57] <alteregoa> the package manager automaticly selected lilo and mbr
[11:57] <alteregoa> such a weedhead manipulated the package manager stuff
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> log a bug, lilo being a dep of a package is very weird
[11:58] <vigo> Very strange
[11:58] <dto> vigo: this volume knob hang also temporarily hangs emacs... repeatably, emacs won't respond and won't refresh its screen
[11:58] <dto> i assume there is already a rhythmbox bug filed
[11:58] <iamleneko> hi
[11:59] <alteregoa> how can i block this lilo package from upstream?
[12:00] <dto> hi iamleneko
[12:01] <iamleneko> how is this karmic version ? i was wondering how it fix the problem with intel chipset ?
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> iamleneko: works fine here, only 2 issues so far
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> managed to fix bot
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> h
[12:03] <iamleneko> damn i want to try it... but too afraid it would break more my system as it is already
[12:03] <vigo> I have to fix my bicycle now, back in a byte...
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> iamleneko: if you are ok at fixing your own issue and dont mind loggin bugs then go for it
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> iamleneko: you could buy a 4Gb USB stick and install to that
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> iamleneko: leaves your internal drive alone then ;)
[12:07] <iamleneko> could be an idea
[12:12] <Twigathy> http://paste.lisp.org/display/86753 <-- Kernel oops :-(
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> does anyone have the gru2 activity where it never times out and boots option #1?
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> s/gru/grub
[12:39] <mac_v> hrm! anyone know the command for only removing the execute bits for files inside a folder *and* subfolders
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: sudo chmod -R a-x o-x g-x <folder>    possibly, create some dummy data to test first
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: outside of the folder you intend to work on
[12:46] <dto> hey. when i plug in a USB audio device, rhythmbox switches to playing on it within a few seconds, without missing a note. 1. impressive 2. is this intended?
[12:46] <dto> i.e. can i turn off that behavior if i need to?
[12:46] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: hrm... :( damn it always ends up messing the subfolders !
[12:47] <mac_v> removes the directory bit!
[12:48] <dto> mac_v: what about this
[12:49] <dto> mac_v: find dir | xargs chmod a-x o-x g-x
[12:49]  * dto loves xargs :)
[12:50] <mac_v> hrm , still same problem
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> update ate my /etc/dbus-1/system.d/gdm.conf
[12:52] <Ian_Corne> or maybe it was my power failure during update
[12:53] <dto> mac_v: there may be an option to find that excludes dirs.
[12:57] <mac_v> dto: finding is easy... but changing all at once seems the tough
[12:57] <mac_v> part
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> # Script to fix permissions on all dirs below current dir. *make the dirs exeutable *
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> find -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> # You may need to run this script several times if nested dirs are not allowing other dirs to be read.
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> thats some script i found online somewhere. :)
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> 755, not 750?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> use whatever # ya want
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> thats the easy part. :)
[13:54] <naught101> anyone else noticed that the open/save dialogue is REALLY slow in openoffice in karmic?
[14:00] <BluesKaj> hiyas folks
[14:00] <Bounga> hi
[14:01] <Bounga> I've got a strange problem using karmic
[14:01] <IdleOne> morning BluesKaj
[14:01] <IdleOne> welcome Bounga
[14:01] <Bounga> I want to do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade but I've got the following error :
[14:01] <Bounga> pkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead.
[14:01] <Bounga> Setting up libsepol1 (2.0.37-1) ...
[14:01] <Bounga> any clue ?
[14:02] <kklimonda> it's a warning
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> proberly a pacjage bug that will get fixed
[14:02]  * Dr_Willis does his daily update/upgrade to see
[14:02] <Bounga> ok but why do the upgrade stops?
[14:03] <Bounga> sorry for the 3 coming lines :
[14:03] <Bounga> init: Not being executed as init
[14:03] <Bounga> dpkg: error processing libsepol1 (--configure):
[14:03] <Pici> Check to see if a bug is logged for that, if there isnt, log one.
[14:03] <Bounga>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[14:03] <Pici> !paste
[14:06] <Bounga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu ?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> update/upgraded here - dident see that warning/message.. perhaps i dont have that lib installed.
[14:06] <IdleOne> Bounga: yes
[14:07] <Bounga> can't find anything about libsepol1
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> !info libsepol1
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> So its a required lib..so it has to be installed here..  i just update/upgraded and dident have that warning.
[14:09] <Dr_Willis>  a warning shouldent stop the other upgrades either
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> try doing another
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> see if it happens again
[14:09] <Bounga> that's what I'm doing since this morning
[14:10] <Bounga> can't understand what's happening
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hi IdleOne
[14:10] <BluesKaj> was getting some breakfgast
[14:10] <IdleOne> what did you bring us?
[14:11] <Bounga> the error happen during libsepol1 setup
[14:11] <BluesKaj> ham,eggs & toast
[14:12] <Paradoxx> Does anyone know where I can find the empathy configuration file?
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> some wher ein the users home. :) perhaps in .config/*
[14:17] <herenbdy> is it possible to revert an update? I think a libxine update this morning broke my audio
[14:17] <herenbdy> or some other file that was updated
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> 'some other' :) that is going to be the hard part... figureing out what.
[14:20] <Bounga> can it be because I'm dis-upgrading from intrepid to karmic?
[14:20] <Dr_Willis> could be.
[14:21] <Dr_Willis> I only do clean installs..
[14:21] <Pici> Bounga: directly from intrepid to karmic? Or did you go through Jaunty first?
[14:21] <Bounga> Pici: no I did not gone through Jaunty
[14:22] <Pici> Bounga: Well that could cause a problem then.  You need to go through the intermediary releases when you upgrade.
[14:22] <herenbdy> libxine1-bin, libxsine1-console, libxine1, libxine1-ffmpeg were the only multimedia related packages I updated this morning
[14:22] <herenbdy> I had audio working last night :(
[14:22] <Bounga> Pici: can I do this now?
[14:24] <Pici> Bounga: If you've half-upgraded to Karmic then I don't think a Jaunty 'upgrade' would even work properly.
[14:25] <IdleOne> sick and tired of idiots asking dumb questions and getting mad when they cant figure it out
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:25] <IdleOne> he can set the prefs for an addon and I'm the one who doesnt know
[14:26] <IdleOne> cant*

[14:28] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. alwways ask on save.. rembers where i last told somthing to save .. here...
[14:32] <qzio> anyone else then me having trouble with ruby-enterprise-edition and 9.10? Date.new fails with error "invalid date"
[14:33] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: I do the same
[14:33] <znienpanne> hello
[14:34] <znienpanne> i tried to get static ip and i can't connect to internet network
[14:34] <znienpanne> can i hav the etc/networks/interfaces file with a pastebin please (i forgot to save it)
[14:36] <znienpanne> im on minimal installation with gnome-network-admin and it looks bugged it gives me error i can't modify the setup
[14:40] <znienpanne> :o(
[14:40] <znienpanne> no luck for me sorry to disturb
[14:41] <Pici> !patience
[14:43] <znienpanne> i already search in differents way in english and french but nothings works
[14:43] <znienpanne> thank you Pici for answering
[14:46] <znienpanne> im just looking for the default file, if somebody can paste it to me it will be wonderfull, thank you all .
[14:46] <frybye> Hi - after installing 9.10 to a vmware workstation - what do I need to do to sort of keep it there when the system tells me to re-boot (this is my first time with vmware - I know nothing...)
[14:48] <arand> frybye: "sort of keep it there" ??
[14:48] <frybye> well when I re-start it will re-start the REAL pc or ??
[14:49] <arand> If you press restart inside the virtual PC it will only restart the virtual PC.
[14:49] <frybye> the installation of 9.10 is telling me it needs to restart - oh I C.. thanks...
[14:51] <frybye> and vmware is telling me I should install tools - after logging into the ubuntu - is that a good idea...?
[14:52] <arand> frybye: You will have acess to some handy integration features, e.g. auto-capture/release the mouse as you move it over the machine window... shared folders... I think.
[14:53] <dns53> frybye it allows you to do things like shut down the machine from the vmware console etc
[14:53] <frybye> oh good .. and (excuse my ignorance...) but will the ubuntu installation somehow survive shutting down the vm workstation???
[14:54] <JMFTheVCI> frybye: the VMware tools adds features and better (virtual) hardware support.  If you can reboot a PC you can reboot a VM. THe difference is that the VM is running on virtual hardware running on top of physical hardware. What you do in the VM has no impact (other thank taking up some performance) on the physical PC>
[14:56] <frybye> the k.koala seems to hve frozen with just the brown stripy background - and vmware is giving me a load of complex instructions i hardly understand about mounting a virtual cd drive etc... hmmm
[14:57] <arand> frybye: unless you've set it as non-paersistent, everything written "to disk" in the VM will remain when you shut it down. (The data is stored on a large file which acts as a virtual hard disk).
[14:57] <JMFTheVCI> Have you connected the .ISO file to the VM? The VM can see .ISO files, as well as the PC's physical CD drive if required, as CDROMs
[14:57] <jeroen-> I have an almost working Karmic netbook remix on a Asus Eee 1101HA
[14:57] <frybye> Hmm.. i cant do anything within the karma cos it has nothing but this background and no icons no menus nothing...
[14:57] <jeroen-> only resume after suspen + bluetooth won't work
[14:58] <JMFTheVCI> frybye: restart the VM. It can;t hurt.
[14:58] <jeroen-> both worked in jaunty
[14:58] <jeroen-> but in jaunty wireless and wired network didnt work
[14:58] <frybye> ok I try... eh just close the window or...?
[14:58] <JMFTheVCI> If necessary, boot the VMs OS into safe/debug mode and at the terminal run through the VMtools installation.
[14:58] <jeroen-> has someone a fix already?
[14:59] <frybye> i c now there is a power off and so on .. i can use that to re-start the vm right???
[14:59] <JMFTheVCI> frybye: yup.
[15:02] <znienpanne> i can't stay longer on my wife comp. somebody can paste to me a /etc/networks/interfaces  (the default one)  file please ?
[15:02] <frybye> ok its working ok now - how do I mount the virtual cd???
[15:03] <frybye> ok it just did it.. heheh
[15:05] <JMFTheVCI> znienpanne: auto lo
[15:05] <JMFTheVCI> iface lo inet loopback
[15:05] <znienpanne> it does not work
[15:05] <znienpanne> i can't stay longer thank you very much all
[15:07] <Bounga> is there a way to make apt thinks that latest version of libsepol1 is installed ?
[15:07] <Bounga> I was thinking of /var/lib/dpkg/status file ///
[15:08] <frybye> JMFTheVCI: how do I do this vmware tools install from the rpm... does it have to be done with a terminal...
[15:09] <JMFTheVCI> There are two choices. RPM can be ignored. Copy the other tgz package to /tmp. Then do: tar -zvxf <package.tgz>
[15:11] <Bounga> foudn a way to bypass this "bug"
[15:12] <JMFTheVCI> frybye: once unpacked, cd into the created directory and then run the vmware-tools-install.sh (or whatever) script. Follow the prompts.
[15:12] <Bounga> many thanks for your help
[15:20] <rohdef> I'm having trouble getting a shared printer to work between two Karmic boxes. I have enabled printer sharing, shared the printer and restarted cups. I can access cups settings via <IP_ADDRESS>:631, but the config utility can't find the printer no matter how I do it
[15:22] <frybye> I have landed in a circular thing where the terminal is telling me that non of the pre-built vmghfs modules for vmware tools is suitable for your running kernel and do i ant to build the module and I need a c compiler etc.. eh??
[15:22] <frybye> am lost...
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> rohdef:  so it works on one printer? or dosent work at all ?
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> frybye:  you need to install the build-essentials package to have a compiler.
[15:24] <frybye> Dr_Willis: ok i go do that.. thanks...
[15:24] <rohdef> Dr_Willis, I can't test other printers here, but it have worked with windows shares before at least, and I can confirm the printer is working on both boxes if connected directly
[15:24] <rohdef> frybye, you probably need to patch VMWare modules, they're most likely not upgraded for the current kernel
[15:26] <Dr_Willis> rohdef:  i had issue where it wouldent even see my usb printer..
[15:27] <rohdef> Dr_Willis, seems hp_lib handles that perfect
[15:29] <frybye> rohdef: is it possible that somebody has already constructed a fully patched k.koala ready to use in vmware someplace???
[15:29] <frybye> that I could somehow i m p o r t??
[15:30] <roscoe_> rohdef: I have a Brother laser printer that is hooked up wirelessly, jaunty picked it up really well, karmic not so. but I was presented with two options, one worked the other did not.
[15:30] <rohdef> frybye, not to my knowledge, frankly vmware is a pain when the modules isn't up to date, works like a dream when they are. I ended up switching to virtualbox, because of too much trouble
[15:30] <frybye> I guess i will just wait a bit and see if the support comes along... bye for now...
[15:32] <rohdef> :( annoying I had to give those news to him, but unfortunately the truth
[15:36] <mikejet> Is there a way to configure Update Manager to check every tuesday morning?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> mikejet, this isn't windows , one can update everyday or more often if you wish
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> I found vmware too much hassles  a few releases back.. and use vbirtulbox now.
[15:38] <Dr_Willis> mikejet:  with alpha testing.. you proberly want to update daily
[15:38] <rohdef> mikejet, I agree with Dr_Willis
[15:39] <BluesKaj> windows updates on tuesdays
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> every time i load up windows.. it wants me to update/reboot/update more....
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> then reboot..
[15:40] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:42] <rohdef> if you're a fan of updates the svn builds is the way :p
[15:42] <__iTroll> anyone got madwifi working on karmic?
[15:43] <rohdef> __iTroll, odds are you don't need to
[15:44] <__iTroll> rohdef: having problems with injection on ath5k
[15:44] <rohdef> with my wifi card it just worked, even though its for the madwifi thingie, might be madwifi in the background, but not sure
[15:45] <__iTroll> rohdef: works for me too, injection doesnt
[15:45] <rohdef> __iTroll, I don't think I can help there, sorry mate :(
[15:47] <__iTroll> rohdef: lol np, i built madwifi from svn and it doesnt seem to work, wondering if someone here knew of a known issue with this
[16:00] <Polterge|st> I have to figure out a way to make my gnome-volume-control icon stop disappearing
[16:00] <Polterge|st> audio is working pretty well for me right now
[16:01] <Polterge|st> that icon won't stay up there though
[16:03] <Polterge|st> and the other thing I would like to do is find some video performance tweaks for Ubuntu with the nvidia drivers
[16:03] <Polterge|st> my xorg.conf is tweaked out but I want to buffer video playback performance better or something
[16:10] <Polterge|st>
[16:10] <Polterge|st>
[16:11] <herenbdy> heya, why is the doxygen-gui package not in karmic, but it's in all the previous versions?
[16:11] <herenbdy> rather it is, but it says "no installation candidate"
[16:30] <foormea> hi
[16:30] <eagles0513875> !hi | foormea
[16:30] <foormea> i managed to have my nvidia working through kde-jockey, but i'm wondering, where do the config file ends now??
[16:33] <eagles0513875> foormea: all config files will end up somewhere in /etc
[16:33] <eagles0513875> thats configureation files for all programs
[16:38] <foormea> ok no before i activated the nvidia there was no xorg.conf
[16:38] <foormea> kde-jockey created one
[16:38] <foormea> with the strict minimum
[16:38] <foormea> that's interesting
[16:39] <gnomefreak> that is expected
[16:39] <debfx> can I somehow tell hal to ignore a wlan killswitch?
[16:40] <eternal_p> morning all...does anyone have an issue with CPU constantly high/my fun running full power all day?
[16:40] <rohdef> eternal_p, negative
[16:40] <foormea> eternal_p: i don't think i have
[16:40] <rohdef> here at least :)
[16:41] <foormea> gnomefreak: why is it expected?
[16:41] <gnomefreak> foormea: 9.10 uses failsafe drivers until you enable the non-free drivers
[16:41] <eternal_p> dang...system monitor is showing 60% cpu time on both my cpus, with nothing showing in processes (at that %)
[16:41] <gnomefreak> failsafe doesnt need an xorg file IIRC
[16:41] <foormea> gnomefreak: so xorg.conf will still be in use for non-failsafe/specific drivers?
[16:42] <gnomefreak> foormea: right
[16:42] <eternal_p> well, gconf-2 seems to be at 20$
[16:42] <eternal_p> $
[16:42] <foormea> gnomefreak: ok :)
[16:42] <eternal_p> %
[16:42] <eternal_p> dang :)
[16:42] <gnomefreak> foormea: installing them without jockey/envy im not sure about. it is preferred to use either one of those apps
[16:43] <foormea> gnomefreak: well what the jockey does apparently is just install the package and append/modify the correct lines to xorg.conf
[16:43]  * gnomefreak away for a few
[16:43] <foormea> i never used jockey before karmic. anyway..
[16:43] <gnomefreak> foormea: that is why we suggest you use it
[16:44] <gnomefreak> also enables compiz using jockey but im not here for a few
[16:51] <dupondje> I'm searching software to make a network diagram
[16:51] <dupondje> can somebody reccomend me anything ? ;)
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> dupondje:  dia perhaps.. thers other tools.. check the package manager
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> ive also seen some  for windows (that work in wine) that scan/show network topology
[17:22] <daemonk> hi all, happily and successfully got my karmic installation going
[17:22] <daemonk> awesome work , looks great
[17:22] <daemonk> whats the deal with ibus, I went to the site and there is very little information
[17:23] <maxagaz_> hi
[17:24] <maxagaz_> is mysql-server stable on karmic ?
[17:24] <maxagaz_> i need to install mysql 5.1 on hardy
[17:25] <maxagaz_> is it reasonable to put the sources.list of karmic just the time to install mysql 5.1 and its dependances ?
[17:27] <Ian_Corne> lol maxagaz_
[17:28] <maxagaz_> Ian_Corne, what's so funny ?
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> The following packages have been kept back: mysql-server xvidcap
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> The following packages wi
[17:29] <maxagaz_> ?
[17:41] <ph33r> hi do we have gdm theme support in ubuntu 9.10 ?
[17:45] <ph33r> anyone?
[17:47] <ph33r> !gdm
[17:48] <Pici> ph33r: I didn't think there was support since gdm was pretty much rewritten, but I could be wrong. I don't have Xorg where I am currently to check.
[17:49] <ph33r> it worked till 9.04
[17:49] <Pici> I thought gdm themes were working fine in 9.04
[17:49] <ph33r> yes it did
[17:50] <ph33r> so will it work in 9.10?
[17:50] <guillaume> HALP
[17:50] <guillaume> still having a problem with my LaTeX setup
[17:50] <billybigrigger> anyone here testing karmic in a vm?
[17:51] <guillaume> real men test Karmic on prod machines
[17:51] <billybigrigger> i get the grub splash, pick my kernel, and right back to a console, no usplash
[17:51] <guillaume> and suffer LaTeX breakage
[17:51] <maxagaz_> whre is the package perlapi for karmic ?
[17:52] <billybigrigger> maxagaz_, use package search
[17:52] <billybigrigger> you need perl-base
[17:52] <billybigrigger> gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
[17:52] <billybigrigger> err
[17:52] <billybigrigger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/perlapi-5.10.0
[17:52] <guillaume> perlapi-5.10.0
[17:52] <guillaume> damn, too slow
[17:54] <commander_> are they going to have it work with blackberries?
[17:56] <Pici> ph33r: It looks like the rewrite of GDM only allows you to pick a background and gtk theme, not anything like the old GDM themes that worked on preview versions. See bug 395299 for more.
[17:57] <ph33r> Pici: aww, we should stick with old gdm then :) or atleast have the option
[17:58] <maxagaz_> billybigrigger, thanks
[17:58] <maxagaz_> billybigrigger, i need mysql-server 5.1 on hardy, do you think it's a good idea to install karmic packages ?
[18:05] <billybigrigger> no
[18:13] <arand> The little choppy white thingy when gdm/gnome loads, is that really supposed to look like that?
[18:14] <billybigrigger> yeah
[18:14] <billybigrigger> for now
[18:14] <billybigrigger> that's xsplash's "throbber" :P
[18:14] <DanaG> oh yeah, and they forgot to change the gdm background to match the xsplash background.
[18:15] <DanaG> I'm using the xsplash-dev ppa (I think that's  the name).
[18:15] <arand> hmm, this whole "seamless boot" seems somewhat uglier that what we had before, at least for now. It flashes chops and flips...
[18:19] <DanaG> yeah.
[18:20] <DanaG> And it's especially bad if you've customized your gdm wallpaper.
[18:20] <DanaG> It flips between black -> xsplash -> gdm -> xsplash -> gdm-wallpaper -> user-wallpaper.
[18:20] <DanaG> yeah, it actually goes BACK to the gdm wallpaper for a moment.  Looks really bad.
[18:21] <DanaG> What I think it should do: it should match the second xsplash instance to the gdm user's wallpaper.
[18:23] <billybigrigger> anyone played with 'service pack creator'
[18:23] <billybigrigger> ?
[18:25] <billybigrigger> Apps>System Tools>Service Pack Creator
[18:30] <maxagaz_> billybigrigger, what should i do then ?
[18:34] <arvind_khadri> hi, i get an error on login that one of my disks has failed, reason being bad sectors, how do i remove it
[18:37] <arand> arvind_khadri: generally an fsck of the filesystem in question will mark the bad sector and simply not write to it.  The word "palimpsest" comes through Latin from Greek À±Â»Â¹Â½ ...
[18:41] <DanaG> Yeah, that's a HORRIBLY obscure name.
[18:42] <arand> arvind_khadri: I don't know if you can get info about where it's located from palimpsest, but yea, you'll have to run fsck/chkdisk on a partition-basis, since you're only adressing the bad sector on a partition/filesystem-basis unless you do a complete reformat and sector disable.
[18:43] <arand> At least, that's what I've come to believe.
[18:47] <Crashbit> Hello, when I boot the kernel with options vga=xxxx, my screen is black, as if the fb is not working, but if I put the splash option works correctly
[18:47] <Crashbit> I worked successfully with jaunty
[18:48] <arand> Crashbit: I've heard that option is being deprecated (but should still work), however last time I heard it was not working in Karmic, which was a bug.
[18:49] <maxagaz_> do you think it's a good idea to install jaunty packages (and dependances) of mysql 5.1 on hardy ?
[18:50] <Crashbit> arand: And if it is obsolete, what is currently used to set the console to 1024x768?
[18:53] <arvind_khadri> Crashbit, grub 2 doesnt need that vga=xxx, read /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:54] <Crashbit> arvind_khadri: ok
[18:57] <IndyGunFreak> why was it really necessary to screw w/ grub?
[18:57] <IndyGunFreak> was there something that grub didn't do, that i msised somewhow?
[18:57] <IndyGunFreak> all it needs to do, is allow me to select an OS.
[18:58] <kamilion> IndyGunFreak: Grub 0.97 is unsupported.
[18:58] <kamilion> all new development's been done on grub2.
[18:58] <IndyGunFreak> ic
[18:58] <kamilion> and has been for a couple years now.  I'm trying to get the installer to give me the iscsi options, I've tried all the A5 images, but I never seem to get an option for an iscsi install.
[19:00] <arvind_khadri> which package has fsck.ntfs?
[19:00] <kamilion> I've tried googling for instructions, but havn't found anything useful WRT karmic's 'improved' iscsi support
[19:00] <kamilion> ntfsprogs
[19:00] <kamilion> and iirc it's 'ntfsfix'
[19:02] <arand> And ntfsprogs doesn't actually do any checks on ntfs, it just marks it as "dirty" so that windows will force an chkdisk on it.
[19:02] <arvind_khadri> kamilion, i installed ntfsprogs, but still cant find it
[19:03] <arand> arvind_khadri: if you want to check ntfs, you'll have to resort to windows.
[19:03] <arvind_khadri> arand, thats bad, i dont have winblows at all
[19:04] <arand> arvind_khadri: but you have an ntfs partition?
[19:04] <arvind_khadri> arand, ya, i used to have winblows... but now i only have linux...
[19:04] <arand> arvind_khadri: In that case, there's probably a bunch of bootable windows-fix-tools CDs out there.
[19:04] <arvind_khadri> arand, btw, how can i switch off palimpest
[19:05] <kamilion> ntfsfix just marks a ntfs partition as clean. You'll have to chkdsk from a windows box to fix ntfs. Same with defrag.
[19:06] <arand> kamilion: marks as dirty you mean.
[19:06] <kamilion> no. It marks a dirty volume clean.
[19:06] <kamilion> But doesn't repair it.
[19:07] <arand> kamilion: no it doesn't : http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsfix
[19:07] <arand> it marks it as dirty, so that windows will check it.
[19:07] <kamilion> The page is mistaken. I've used the tool.
[19:08] <kamilion> gnome complains the volume is dirty. I run ntfsfix. Gnome mounts the volume.
[19:09] <Amaranth> if the volume is dirty you should not force it to mount
[19:09] <Amaranth> but I'm guessing nftsfix just flips the bit so as a side effect it will mark dirty volumes as clean as well as the intended purpose of marking clean volumes as dirty
[19:09] <arand> kamilion: hmm: manpage: ntfsfix - fix common errors and force Windows to check NTFS.
[19:10] <kamilion> If you have no windows machines to check it with, your only option is a bootable PE cd or ntfsfix and copy the files to another filesystem.
[19:10] <kamilion> and there's no promises your files will be intact either way.
[19:11] <kamilion> Anyway, where can I find some documentation on the new iscsi root support for karmic?
[19:12] <arvind_khadri> btw, how can i switch off palimpest
[19:13] <kamilion> get gparted and remove palimpest?
[19:14] <arand> arvind_khadri: hang on. kamilion: what on earth?
[19:14]  * kamilion shrugs
[19:15] <arvind_khadri> arand, i am holding on :)
[19:16] <arand> Hmm, I though there would be an option in psest or in startup apps... hmmm...
[19:17] <arvind_khadri> ubuntu is becoming more of a dumping ground of unwanted apps and features
[19:18] <arand> arvind_khadri: info on whether your disk might be on the verge of toast I would say is quite useful. Although not if it warns semingly unecessarily, as it is now...
[19:19] <mFacenet> is anybody having problems with gnome this am from the repositories
[19:20] <DanaG> yeah, palimpsest is relatively useless, compared to the SMART stuff in the windows utility, Speedfan.
[19:21] <arand> arvind_khadri: Nah, can't find anything.
[19:21] <DanaG> It tells me that 1 bad sector is "disk approaching failure".
[19:21] <DanaG> ... and yet, it says nothing about my internal drive, that's at 40% health, according to other utilities.
[19:23] <arand> arvind_khadri: I guess you could just uninstall it.
[19:23] <Dulak> You realize bad blocks are transparent until it's a problem?
[19:24] <arvind_khadri> arand, let me see, it would have been marked with other packages
[19:24] <arand> I seem to be able to remove gnome-disk-utility with no hassle.
[19:25] <DanaG> Yeah, but 1 bad sector is well within normal.
[19:25] <Dulak> bad sector or bad block?
[19:26] <DanaG> er, block.
[19:26] <DanaG> or rather, I don't remember.
[19:27] <Dulak> That means you have a crapload of bad blocks, you only see them once the space the drive reserves for remapping bad blocks is full
[19:27] <DanaG> I also have a drive in an external USB2+FW400+eSATA enclosure... and it only gives SMART data over USB2, oddly enough.
[19:27] <DanaG> Anyway, the SMART attributes were well within the "threshold" value.
[19:27] <Dulak> ]So you don't just have 1 bad block, you have a reserved area full of bad blocks, and a 1 more bad block that you can actually see now that the hidden space is full
[19:28] <DanaG> Or maybe it was bad sector.
[19:28] <DanaG> It's on a friend's drive; I'll check it again some time today.
[19:29] <arvind_khadri> arand, but that is not removing palmipsest
[19:29] <Dulak> If it's a sector that means a rather large portion of the drive is toast, not just some blocks scattered around the drive
[19:29] <kamilion> yeah, I'm working with a system with bad sectors right now. Ended up masking off a 16GB partition labeled 'DAMAGED'. Rest of the drive seems to be doing okay though.
[19:30] <arvind_khadri> arand, brb
[19:31] <DanaG> Anyway, I'll check it again today, perhaps.
[19:32] <DanaG> When I can read the data from it, my external drive says condition is "perfect".
[19:33] <DanaG> heh, load/unload cycle count: 32 degrees.
[19:33] <DanaG> yes, the scale on the left says degrees.
[19:34] <arvind_khadri> arand, gone... :)
[19:35] <kamilion> DanaG: Does the SMART work over the eSATA port?
[19:35] <DanaG> Nope.
[19:35] <DanaG> The enclosure is rather stupid... it has an Oxford chip that has a SATA-to-SATA bridge.
[19:35] <DanaG> ... that doesn't pass all the necessary ATA commands.
[19:35] <kamilion> Weird. So the enclosure's doing some kind of bridging...
[19:36] <kamilion> ahaha yeah. But there's a extension for oxfords to do ATAPI over USB...
[19:36] <kamilion> Hence why it works there, no doubt.
[19:36] <DanaG> It should also work over Firewire, though.
[19:37] <DanaG> the utility HDD Sentinel works fine, now even over eSATA, in Windows.
[19:37] <DanaG> It must be doing something special.
[19:37] <kamilion> Guess so.
[19:37] <DanaG> I imagine it may be about the same as the ATAPI-over-USB extension.
[19:49] <jeroen-> since yesterday I don't have sound anymore in karmic
[20:16] <orbisvicis> how do I install a package from an unreleased version?
[20:16] <orbisvicis> apt-get install openssl/karmic ?
[20:16] <orbisvicis> doesnt seem to work
[20:16] <genii> Good.
[20:17] <orbisvicis> ?
[20:22] <vega> orbisvicis: google "apt pinning for beginners"
[20:27] <orbisvicis> thanks, perfect. I seemed to think it was automatic, but I guess thats for downgrades only
[20:36] <alteregoa> danag: 32 degrees, a bit cold for your hdd
[20:36] <DanaG> That's not the point... the point is that the LOAD CYCLE COUNT being "32 degrees".... makes no sense.
[20:37] <alteregoa> yeah thats an parse error
[20:42] <billybigrigger> 32 degrees isn't cold at all
[20:42] <billybigrigger> are we talking C or F?
[20:42] <billybigrigger> 32F i could see being cold :P
[20:42] <billybigrigger> 32C isn't
[20:43] <DanaG> It's a matter of incorrect legend on the left axis thingy.
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[21:13] <IdleOne> afternoon ActionParsnip
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> is anyone finding vlc mp3 playback jerky? Totem plays them fine but vlc seems to stutter
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> vlc 1.0.1
[21:20] <BUGabundo> hey friends
[21:20] <a1> i had ubuntu 8.10 and my harddrive died, problem is in pidgin i had my freenode password saved in it then forgot it, now i want to use same username so how can i get the password again
[21:21] <BUGabundo> a1: ask on #freenode
[21:22] <a1> BUGabundo:  good answer
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> a1: if you can acess the old drive as data then copy ~/.purple
[21:23] <ActionParsnip> a1: from the old drive to the new one
[21:24] <a1> ActionParsnip: cant i just read the accounts details or are they encrypted
[21:24] <ActionParsnip> a1: then you need to decrypt them. ive never used it and think its a bit surplus and gets you in situations like you are in
[21:25] <a1> ActionParsnip: okay, thank you
[21:28] <a1> got to go guys, thanks for the help
[21:41] <kepi> back on my b.s. got my username's password back, thank you dudes/dudettes
[21:43] <BUGabundo> np kepi
[21:43] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo: can you please remind me of the ubuntu audio support channel, I searched in the wiki and failed to find it :)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> #ubuntu-audio-help aboSamoor
[21:44] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: billy billy
[21:44] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what's happenin
[21:44]  * BUGabundo misses cwillu and Charlie-tca
[21:44] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: trying to melt my laptop
[21:44] <BUGabundo> I'm on a *very* tight space
[21:44] <BUGabundo> and fan is only 2cm from being blocked :)
[21:45] <billybigrigger> hehe how hot is it?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> $ sudo acpi -at Thermal 0: ok, 73.0 degrees C
[21:45] <billybigrigger> nice!
[21:45] <billybigrigger> haha, my old old laptop melted the bottom of the case, and the battery
[21:45]  * kepi got to go, see you when i see u
[21:45] <billybigrigger> it was pretty sweet....i never ever found out why it doesn't run anymore haha
[21:45] <BUGabundo> ohhh and PA is eating all my two cores now
[21:46] <billybigrigger> not here
[21:47] <BUGabundo> 3rd time in 24h
[21:47] <billybigrigger> ewww
[21:47] <BUGabundo> guess I'll make watch -n 600 killall -9 pulseaudio just to be sure
[21:48] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:48] <BUGabundo> I'm using the PA PPA
[21:49] <billybigrigger> Installed: 1:0.9.16~test7-14-g7ca81-0ubuntu1
[21:49] <billybigrigger> not i
[21:50] <IndyGunFreak> i'm tempted to install 9.10...
[21:50] <IndyGunFreak> but some of the audio bugs are a bit annoying
[21:51] <BUGabundo> IndyGunFreak: tell me the *last* release without audio bugs please
[21:51] <BUGabundo> half this # will downgrade to it, right now :D
[21:51] <IndyGunFreak> BUGabundo: lol, good point, but the ones currently there are pretty annoying
[21:52] <IndyGunFreak> not to mention, totem keeps crashing for some reason
[21:52] <billybigrigger> im actually pretty impressed with PA lately
[21:52] <BUGabundo> like ??
[21:52] <IndyGunFreak> but... VLC works fine, and i use that more often than not.
[21:52] <BUGabundo> not me
[21:52] <BUGabundo> only PA starting eatign cpu like crazy last night
[21:52] <billybigrigger> on my gentoo host, with ubuntu karmic as a guest, i'm playing 2 different mp3's both using PA output :) no problems
[21:52] <BUGabundo> other then that, all fine, even mute at start is now fixed
[21:52] <IndyGunFreak> pA?
[21:52] <BUGabundo> vlc, totem, mplayer, splayer,
[21:53] <BUGabundo> PulseAudio
[22:01] <IndyGunFreak> BUGabundo: can you remove pulse and go back to alsa?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> sure
[22:01] <BUGabundo> but NONE will encorage you to do that
[22:07]  * BUGabundo gets shielded
[22:07] <BUGabundo> [Ubuntuone-users] Ubuntu One is moving from ubuntuone.com to one.ubuntu.com
[22:07] <BUGabundo> so all that fighting for *nothing*!
[22:07] <billybigrigger> pfft
[22:07] <billybigrigger> U1 is a waste of my time
[22:07] <mac_v> what fighting ? where? damn it i missed it ;p
[22:08] <BUGabundo> haven't started it in a while either
[22:08] <BUGabundo> when ever I need it, its not working
[22:08] <BUGabundo> I'm sticking with DB
[22:08] <IndyGunFreak> what is ubuntuone anyways?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> mac_v: oh come one? you last this cycle *biggest* war?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> IndyGunFreak: LOOLOLOLOLOL
[22:08] <BUGabundo> !ubuntuone
[22:08] <BUGabundo> !U1
[22:08] <Spirits-Sight> has the issue been fixed where when booting live CD (not installing) it goes to prompt for password then it goes to the shell only and not to the desktop?
[22:08] <billybigrigger> db?
[22:08] <mac_v> lol
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ubottu: YOU SUCK
[22:08] <IndyGunFreak> well, if ubottu doesn't know, how should i know?..lol
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[22:09] <mac_v> billybigrigger: bropbox
[22:09] <billybigrigger> ahh
[22:09] <mac_v> dropbox
[22:09] <BUGabundo> mac_v: lol
[22:09] <billybigrigger> i knew what you meant :P
[22:09] <mac_v> ;)
[22:10] <mac_v> BUGabundo: does u! constantly keep adding itself to the places menu?
[22:10] <mac_v> u1
[22:11] <mac_v> every time i remove it , it comes back once i start U1 :(
[22:11] <Spirits-Sight> does anyone know what I was asking about or was I not clear?  I know sometime I am not clear of what I am trying to say
[22:11] <mac_v> !helping humans
[22:11] <mac_v> ;p
[22:13] <BUGabundo> bot brain is MIA I guess
[22:13] <mac_v> more like DOA
[22:14] <BUGabundo> that too
[22:16] <Spirits-Sight> has the issue been fixed where when booting live CD (not installing) it goes to prompt for password then it goes to the shell only and not to the desktop?  I would love to install from scratch and see the new setup but it just brings me to the prompt (pass)
[22:17] <mFacenet> I've been having an issue all day where update manager this morning removed gnome.  when i try to reinstall i get an error of  gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~4ubuntu6) but it is not going to be installed.  I've changed repositories, has anybody else experienced those problems or is aware of a workaround
[22:18] <mac_v> Spirits-Sight: what is the bug# ? havent heard such complaints
[22:18] <BUGabundo> me neither
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> does anyone have an xbmc for karmic??
[22:18] <ActionParsnip> repo sorry
[22:18]  * mac_v forgot about xmbc
[22:19] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: \o/ thanks for reminding
[22:19] <Spirits-Sight> don't knwo the bug number its what was happening when I was trying to run the live CD desktop and pick run with out install first
[22:19] <ActionParsnip> i'd sack it off but vlc is jittery as hell
[22:19]  * mac_v has no probs with vlc
[22:19] <BUGabundo> [Karmic] 2.6.31-10.30 kernel uploaded (ABI bump/Version Change)
[22:20] <BUGabundo> new kernel on the wayu
[22:20] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: for some reason it has issues playing mp3s but everythnig else you can name is fine
[22:21] <mac_v> wonder why you use mp3 with vlc...
[22:21] <mac_v> why not rhythmbox?
[22:21]  * mac_v tries vlc with mp3
[22:22] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: it has a web interface that my g1 phone talks nice to
[22:22] <mac_v> ah...
[22:23] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: no probs here .... but the jittery problems you mentioned i did have
[22:24] <mac_v> i cleaned the gconf
[22:24] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: oops! ~/.config
[22:24] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: did you just delete the folder??
[22:24] <mac_v> i had removed the vlc folder for a pulse audio problem
[22:25] <mac_v> and several problems were solved
[22:26] <ActionParsnip> so delete vlc folder ni ~/.config?
[22:27] <mac_v> yup... i deleted the vlc [and the ~/.pulse for the pulse audio problem]
[22:27] <ActionParsnip> happens with videos too, just tested
[22:28] <mac_v> the stuck stuttering sound? right
[22:32] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: move the ~/.config/vlc and the ~/.pulse and then did you restart pulse ?
[22:33] <ActionParsnip> didnt think to do pulse too, i'll give it a whirl
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> mac_v: you are the genius
[22:37] <mac_v> ;)
[22:37] <mac_v> ActionParsnip: do you have the files? or did you delete them?
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> i deleted them
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> got nice shiny new ones now
[22:38] <mac_v>  ;)
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> now I can remove banshee python interface
[22:39] <edoceo> On my Karmic systems the Firefox Icon dosn't display, just pointing to the wrong PNG, anyone else see that?
[22:40] <ActionParsnip> edoceo: 3.0, 3.5, 3.7?
[22:42] <mac_v> edoceo: on the title bar or in the search box?
[22:43] <edoceo> ActionParsnip: 3.5, the Icon doesn't display in the "panel" at the top (usually: Application, Places, FF Icon, Help Icon)
[22:43] <edoceo> Mine goes: Applications, Places, Blank Icon, Help Icon
[22:43] <edoceo> Also, xfce not Gnome or KDE
[22:43] <ActionParsnip> edoceo: run alacarte and edit the icon
[22:44] <edoceo> ActionParsnip: I've already corrected it, that's not the issue.  The issue is if Karmic's installer/updates will fix the missing Icon pointer in future versions because as I see it it's a bug to install w/o the icon
[22:44] <ActionParsnip> log a bug then
[22:47] <edoceo> It's actually bug: 417354
[22:48] <ActionParsnip> edoceo: then add to say you get it too
[22:49] <mac_v> edoceo: that is not a bug it was a feature :)
[22:50] <edoceo> mac_v: it's a fug
[22:50] <edoceo> fug == feature + bug
[22:51] <Spirits-Sight> so any ideas on why I get prompt instead of the desktop on the live CD
[22:51] <mac_v> edoceo: but the applications icon will return ,read last comment http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322932
[22:53] <mac_v> edoceo: anyways you can just set the icons to true , from appearances menu
[22:53] <mac_v> that will show all menu icons
[22:53] <edoceo> mac_v: I'm not running Gnome
[22:54] <mac_v> ooops
[22:55]  * mac_v finds it confusing when kde xfce and gnome are all in the same room ;p
[22:55] <ActionParsnip> try LXDE :D
[23:00] <mac_v>  bug #417354
[23:05] <Martin1> hello
[23:05] <mac_v> !hi | Martin1
[23:06] <Martin1> does anybody has experience with iscsi and 9.10 (alpha 5)?
[23:07] <Martin1> I got no iSCSI option in the installer. Neither in the desktop-release, nor in the server-release
[23:13] <BUGabundo> !ping
[23:25] <mac_v> !ping
[23:25] <mac_v> crap , ubottu dont you backsides ache anymore ? ;p
[23:40] <MaximLevitsky> is the default for menu icons changed?
[23:41] <MaximLevitsky> I thought it was a bug, since I didn't see any icons in application menu
[23:47] <andresmh> how do i figure out what version of pulse i am using? i find it confusing that in synaptic it  shows something like 1:0.9.16. What's up the the colon?
[23:48] <mroc> hi all.  i recently installed alpha 5 on acer travelmate 2420.  i noticed a frequent faint click, and realized the load_cycle_count on the hd is increasing very quickly.  is there anything to address this issue in karmic (besides the old unofficial ugly fix that has been used in earlier releases)?
[23:49] <mac_v> MaximLevitsky: yes the default has changed , you can revert icon from the preferences
[23:50] <MaximLevitsky> mac_v: then why half of icons are still shown in main menu?
[23:50] <MaximLevitsky> and why it was changed?
[23:50] <mac_v> huh? which half?
[23:50] <mac_v> applications?
[23:51] <MaximLevitsky> mac_v: the icons that represent applications
[23:51] <MaximLevitsky> mac_v: this is very inconsistent
[23:51] <mac_v> MaximLevitsky: that is because the apps are considered objects , read this for info > Bug #407621
[23:53] <nOStahl> hi guys, any reason i shouldnt use karmic koala for working on some localhost websites?
[23:53] <kamilion> Martin1: I'm trying to get the same thing working
[23:54] <kamilion> Martin1: Not having much luck finding documentation or howtos either.
[23:55] <Martin1> kamilion: Me too
[23:56] <kamilion> Closest I've found to information is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/+bug/236640
[23:57] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, you can get ALL the icons back if you wish
[23:57] <billybigrigger> goto System>Preferences>Appearance, then goto the Interface tab and check "show all menu icons"
[23:57] <Martin1> "The failing step is: Configure iSCSI" I#ve never see this step ;-)
[23:57] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: yeah, I did that already
[23:58] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: it just bothers me that new default is both unintuitive, and inconsitent
[23:58] <chx> is there a DVD torrent for any release of Kubuntu Karmic ?
[23:58] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: It no icons, then really no icons, not half/half
[23:58] <kamilion> Martin1: Yeah, I've tried everything I can think of with ubuntu-server, even going to the dailys linked in that bug. With local disk, without local disk, I can never get the Configure iSCSI step to show up.
[23:58] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, yup, i've done my fair of complaing about it too
[23:58] <billybigrigger> it sucks, but not much we can do
[23:58] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: why can't do
[23:59] <billybigrigger> MaximLevitsky, i feel the same way
[23:59] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: for example, sound mixer was reverted now
[23:59] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: although I really liked new one
[23:59] <kamilion> chx: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/
[23:59] <MaximLevitsky> billybigrigger: and I am not angry
[23:59] <billybigrigger> the new sound mixer is a dumbed down version of pavucontrol


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[15:42] <mup> Issue operator#708 opened: `leader-settings-changed` firing before unit departure <Created by MiaAltieri> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/708>
[17:12] <mup> Issue operator#646 closed: obtain storage path in charm container by storage name <enhancement> <storage> <Created by sed-i> <Closed by rwcarlsen> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/646>
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