[12:13] <Josh1337> MP3 playback plugin help
[12:13] <Josh1337> I need help with the mp3 plugin
[12:13] <grego> plugin for?
[12:13] <Josh1337> mp3 playback
[12:13] <grego> which player?
[12:13] <Josh1337> any player
[12:14] <grego> O__o
[12:14] <Alumin> is there a way to lie to APT and tell it you have a package installed when you don't?
[12:14] <grego> rotfl
[12:14] <Josh1337> Ummm Kaffeine
[12:14] <grego> what for? -->alumin?
[12:14] <Alumin> like, say I don't have the PHP package installed
[12:15] <Alumin> because I'm using a custom compile in /usr/local/src
[12:15] <grego> kaffeinre for mp3?
[12:15] <Josh1337> yeh
[12:15] <grego> youre weird
[12:15] <grego> just instal xine extras
[12:15] <compilerwriter> I need to do something for about DST here soon and am not sure what.
[12:15] <Alumin> but then APT doesn't want to upgrade certain packages because of dependencies that don't resolve because "I don't have PHP installed"
[12:15] <Josh1337> xine?
[12:15] <grego> and play them with amarok
[12:15] <Josh1337> k ill google it
[12:15] <grego> >__>
[12:15] <grego> sudo apt-get libxine-extras
[12:15] <grego> i think so..
[12:16] <grego> give me a sec
[12:16] <Josh1337> k
[12:16] <ccc> Josh1337: amarok is the best music player ever imo. try it if you haven't already
[12:16] <Josh1337> its installed but it cant play mp3's
[12:17] <Josh1337> im new to the whole Linux thing so if i affend anybody with my stupid questions im sry
[12:17] <ccc> i thought kubuntu-amarok asks if you want mp3 codecs installed at first startup and does the job for you?
[12:17] <grego> libxine-extracodecs
[12:17] <grego> yeah
[12:17] <grego> it asks
[12:17] <Alumin> yeah amaroK FTW
[12:17] <grego> but it dont work
[12:17] <grego> just hangs
[12:17] <grego> and only newest version
[12:17] <ccc> worked for me iirc
[12:17] <SolidSource> ccc: it doesn't ask until you add an MP3 to the playlist
[12:18] <ccc> ok
[12:18] <grego> just install libxine-extracodecs
[12:18] <compilerwriter> I went into the system settings to try to figure things out, but am not certain of what I should do.  There are two Eastern Time Zones in it.  There is one for Detroit, MI.  There is also one for Indiana, EST.  Michicgan has followed DST for years whilst Indiana just joined the band wagon last year.  So it begs the question;  Should I set myself to Detroit or Indiana?
[12:18] <Josh1337> how do i do that
[12:18] <grego> from terminal
[12:18] <Josh1337> yeh im in the terminal
[12:18] <grego> sudo apt-get libxine-extracodecs
[12:19] <grego> and type your password
[12:19] <grego> oh
[12:19] <grego> i forgot
[12:19] <compilerwriter> josh1337 We were all new to computers of any sort at one time.  You should find us mostly polite and helpful here.
[12:19] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: set it to which is ever closer to where you live
[12:19] <grego> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:20] <Josh1337> thx that one works
[12:20] <grego> unix commands makes me horny..
[12:20] <grego> touch touch
[12:20] <grego> su
[12:21] <compilerwriter> SolidSource I live smack dab in Indiana.  The question is basically that I am guessing that EST is set to compensate for DST and the other EST is not, or would the Ubuntu Immortals have noticed and fixed this already?
[12:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter heh yeah.  and the better question "why daylightsavings time exists anyway"
[12:21] <Josh1337> k ill brb im going to log on with my linux box
[12:22] <linux_> k im back
[12:23] <linux_> josh1337 is now linux
[12:23] <Alumin> have to admit, I didn't think I'd ever see the word "horny" in this channel
[12:23] <linux_> ok its not working
[12:23] <linux_> it gave me an error
[12:23] <grego> :D
[12:23] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: time zones don't follow straight lines....so the hills/bluffs/mountains/whatever cause them to be seperated
[12:23] <linux_> linux@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:23] <linux_> Reading package lists... Done
[12:24] <linux_> Building dependency tree... Done
[12:24] <linux_> libxine-extracodecs is already the newest version.
[12:24] <linux_> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[12:24] <linux_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:24] <linux_>   libxine-extracodecs: Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not going to be installed
[12:24] <linux_> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[12:24] <linux_> linux@ubuntu:~$
[12:24] <intelikey> Alumin and what is it that compels you to admit that ?
[12:24] <Alumin> linux_: FYI, you'll want to use a pastebin if you're sending >3 lines
[12:24] <Alumin> intelikey: I dunno, surprise?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> linux , use pastebin pls , don't flood the channel
[12:25] <linux_> sry
[12:25] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[12:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:25] <grego> oh god...
[12:25] <grego> what a flood..
[12:25] <compilerwriter> To make matters worse there is another EST for Indiana that is labeled for the quaint little burg of Marengo, in Crawford County.  That se section of IN used to follow Ohio into DST but since the whole state, save a very few of the western counties that follow CDT, does so now its existence is really moot.
[12:25] <intelikey> grego you can get kicked out of here for two lines....
[12:25] <grego> wow
[12:25] <grego> gotta remember that
[12:25] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: does it really matter?
[12:25] <grego> >__>
[12:25] <Alumin> two lines is a bit harsh
[12:26] <intelikey> depends on whom is watching
[12:26] <ccc> linux_: try: sudo apt-get -f install
[12:26] <ccc> as it suggests
[12:26] <Alumin> unless they're like 8000-character lines :)
[12:26] <intelikey> Alumin server will cut a line at -420 chars
[12:27] <Alumin> linux_: before you proceed, you may want to "sudo apt-get update"
[12:27] <grego> i have hard freeezes >__> during high cpu loads
[12:27] <Alumin> make sure you're working with the most up-to-date package lists
[12:27] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > linux_
[12:27] <grego> on any Ubuntu i tried
[12:27] <grego> ..
[12:28] <linux_> k ill try
[12:29] <intelikey> grego what do you do to get high cpu loads ?
[12:30] <intelikey> grego what do you do to get high cpu loads ?
[12:30] <grego> compilations?
[12:30] <linux_> this is what i did
[12:30] <intelikey> grego you do a lot of compiling on a deb based ditro do you ?
[12:31] <linux_> sudo apt-get update
[12:31] <grego> yeah
[12:31] <linux_> that worked
[12:31] <compilerwriter> SolidSource:  I am well aware of that.  I am a denizen of Indiana who happens to have relatives in Marengo.  I live near Indianapolis, which, up until last year, did not change its clocks.  Meanwhile my aunt and uncle and cousins did change their clocks.  All of this occured in the Southeastern part of the state in the megaopolis formed by Cincinnati, Louisville, and the nearby Indiana counties.  Then on the western
[12:31] <compilerwriter> parts of the state there were the counties that tried to stay in sync with whatever Chicago was doing.  I am well aware of the hills and valleys.  I am just now baffled as to what to set things to so that come 11 March at 01:59 my computer resets itself to 11 March 03:00 in the next minute.
[12:31] <grego> but its matter of choice
[12:31] <grego> dam..
[12:31] <linux_> then i typed sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:32] <linux_> i got an error so then i typed sudo apt-get -f install libxine-extracodecs
[12:32] <linux_> same error :o
[12:32] <grego> which error?
[12:33] <intelikey> grego maybe renice x to a little less nice and renice your make to a little more nice ?
[12:33] <grego> O_o
[12:34] <grego> i dont think that its xs fault
[12:34] <SolidSource> compilerwriter: your state follows DLS, so any city in that state will follow DLS, and if it automatic updates it will do it...if it doesn't, its not that big of a deal to change it manually
[12:34] <linux_> libxine-extracodecs: Depends: libmad0 (>= 0.15.1b) but it is not going to be installed
[12:34] <intelikey> grego unless you mean that it hard locks  and stays.
[12:34] <grego> yeah.. total freeeze no cursor i can't even reset xorgs
[12:34] <grego> just Pc reset
[12:35] <intelikey> hmm oh  that sounds more like a libc problem
[12:35] <Alumin> grego: does a SysRq kill work?
[12:35] <grego> what is that?
[12:35] <grego> i dont think so
[12:35] <SolidSource> linux_: then "sudo aptitude install libmad0"
[12:35] <Alumin> go to a virtual terminal
[12:35] <Alumin> and hit Alt-SysRq-M
[12:36] <rolnyzx> does anybody have problems with Open Office when you install and set up MS TTF fonts? Everything looks fine but Open Office. Here is a photo of my desktop  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=408217464&size=o
[12:36] <Alumin> see if it prints some memory statistics
[12:36] <premier_> does anyone know the ubuntu pakages for lineak?
[12:36] <prak> !minicom
[12:36] <ubotu> minicom: friendly menu driven serial communication program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1-10 (edgy), package size 150 kB, installed size 892 kB
[12:36] <prak> !gtkterm
[12:36] <ubotu> gtkterm: A simple GTK+ serial port terminal. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.5-1build1 (edgy), package size 45 kB, installed size 228 kB
[12:36] <linux_> solidsource: its doing all kinds of things
[12:36] <grego> nothing
[12:37] <Alumin> grego: your kernel might not have it I guess
[12:37] <SolidSource> linux_: thats fine...it knows what its doing
[12:37] <prak> does anyone know if gtkterm allows me to flash/upload hex files to an external device connected to a port?
[12:37] <linux_> k it stoped
[12:37] <Alumin> the Alt-SysRq-* commands go straight to the kernel
[12:37] <grego> which kernel option is responsible for that? i can recompile kernel later
[12:37] <intelikey> the low level system inturpretor. the system calls to the kernel.   everything is built on libc.   if doing a build and the box locks up tight  it sounds like something at the lower levels of kernel communications.
[12:38] <Alumin> as a test, you could do your make in a virtual terminal, and if everything tanks you could hit Alt-SysRq-k
[12:38] <Alumin> that will wipe out anything running on that VT unconditionally, unless the kernel is COMPLETELY gone
[12:38] <grego> tanks <--? my english is poor , sorry <__<
[12:38] <Alumin> if the system locks
[12:38] <grego> ok
[12:38] <Alumin> you can see if it's the make process
[12:38] <Alumin> but
[12:39] <Alumin> you may need to recompile your kernel with sysrq support
[12:39] <jerry> hi
[12:39] <intelikey> make sure you have the latest libc6   and that your kernel is built on that libc
[12:39] <grego> ok
[12:39] <Alumin> I thought they call came with it these days but if you don't see anything then maybe not
[12:39] <grego> libc6?
[12:39] <intelikey> yep.
[12:39] <linux_> now what?
[12:39] <grego> time for googling..
[12:40] <rolnyzx> does anybody have problems with Open Office when you install and set up MS TTF fonts? Everything looks fine but Open Office. Here is a photo of my desktop  http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=408217464&size=o
[12:40] <SolidSource> linux_: then "sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs" to make sure its installed and good to go
[12:40] <grego> is that normal that firefox uses gtk widgets in kde?
[12:40] <Alumin> grego: KERNEL.SYSRQ = 1
[12:40] <grego> ok
[12:40] <grego> great
[12:40] <grego> thanks
[12:41] <linux_> k and ...........done
[12:42] <SolidSource> linux_: should be good to go for music, may have to restart amarok
[12:42] <linux_> k
[12:42] <SolidSource> !codecs > linux_
[12:42] <linux_> do i have to restart my comp?
[12:42] <grego> Alumin in which section this option is stored?
[12:42] <linux_> OMG
[12:42] <linux_> its working
[12:42] <grego> do you know?
[12:43] <Alumin> don't remember
[12:43] <linux_> !!!! thanks sooo much
[12:43] <Alumin> you can grep for it in .config tho
[12:43] <SolidSource> linux_ nope don't ever really have to restart comp for most things
[12:43] <linux_> all day and i get somewhere
[12:43] <grego> Magic SysRq key?
[12:43] <Alumin> yeah
[12:43] <intelikey> yep
[12:43] <grego> i have it enabled..
[12:43] <grego> weird
[12:43] <linux_> i so sux at linux im a windows person but im changing because i dont wanna deal with the new win pos
[12:43] <Alumin> hmm
[12:44] <Alumin> linux_: funny, that's what I said about Win95 :p
[12:44] <linux_> :
[12:44] <linux_> )
[12:44] <intelikey> Magic SysRq doesn't help on kernel panic and/or hard lockup.
[12:44] <linux_> :)
[12:44] <grego> this is very hard lockup
[12:44] <Alumin> intelikey: yeah...but I thought it might help to see if it's just an issue of make pwning the machine
[12:44] <grego> very
[12:44] <SolidSource> linux_: you will need to install the other codecs for videos and such, and you will need w32codecs
[12:44] <grego> just freezed desktop
[12:45] <SolidSource> !w32codecs > linux_
[12:45] <linux_> OK
[12:45] <linux_> how do i do that ROFL
[12:45] <Alumin> how do you search for factoids in the bot
[12:45] <SolidSource> just follow what ubotu said
[12:45] <Alumin> !RestrictedFormats
[12:46] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:46] <Alumin> ooh I'm good
[12:46] <grego> :D
[12:46] <[Goce] > Anyone else having this problem with Kubuntu 6.10 (edgy)? My CPU is spiking every 4-5 seconds from 0% to 100% over and over again.  Anyone? I had this prob once before and an update seemed to fix it, but the problem is back again and no updates are available.
[12:46] <intelikey> Alumin !help
[12:46] <linux_> kkk thx again
[12:46] <Alumin> !help > Alumin
[12:46] <Admiral_hehe> [Goce] : what is the PID for 4115..that is, what service is the ID for
[12:47] <Alumin> "what is the PID for 4115"
[12:47] <Alumin> *blink*
[12:48] <Admiral_hehe> sorry, a bit tired...
[12:48] <rolnyzx> Alumin, ps aux | grep 4115
[12:48] <Admiral_hehe> what process is running that 4115 corresponds to
[12:48] <intelikey> ps aux | grep -m1 4115
[12:48] <Alumin> ps 4115
[12:48] <[Goce] > Admiral_hehe: It's for apt-watch-index
[12:49] <adydas> If you want a nice wee program to watch what pids are doing what i found whowatch quite handy
[12:49] <[Goce] > had to sudo it cause I had insufficiant access ya know?
[12:50] <Admiral_hehe> yea
[12:50] <Admiral_hehe> by any change are you running adept_*
[12:50] <[Goce] > apt-watch-index or apt-index-watch.. I ferget now
[12:50] <[Goce] > yes I am
[12:50] <Fri13> [Goce] : yes, i have same problem...
[12:50] <[Goce] > I love it cause you can control the distributories better
[12:51] <Admiral_hehe> hmm, that's probably it
[12:51] <Admiral_hehe> [Goce] : what release are you on?
[12:51] <Fri13> [Goce] : just run "/etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop"
[12:51] <[Goce] > Fri13: did you have to kill apt-index-watch?
[12:51] <MuJ> !nvidia
[12:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:51] <[Goce] > Admiral_hehe: Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy)
[12:52] <genii> stdin You alive?
[12:52] <Admiral_hehe> hmm, i'm running that on a lappy atm, its not doing that
[12:52] <Admiral_hehe> what Adept are you running, adept notifier?
[12:52] <Fri13> [Goce] : and if you want make it easier, just make link as "kdesu /etc/init.d/apt-index-watcher stop". I use that when i start game because without it, all games/videos and so on are buggy...
[12:53] <[Goce] > Fri: I agree that game don't work at all with the spiking..
[12:53] <[Goce] > Adm: I am running adept notifier
[12:53] <[Goce] > but I thought this apt-index-watch was a part of it
[12:54] <Admiral_hehe> [Goce] : pstree
[12:54] <Admiral_hehe> that should show you how things are connected
[12:54] <intelikey> Alumin i had to revisit my wraper for ps    it seems that /bin/ps "proccess id number"  will work...  i had accidentally disabled that function.
[12:55] <genii> Anyone know of a way to get shockwave working without running firefox under wine for instance? There anyone working on a native linux shockwave plugin or viewer?
[12:55] <Alumin> yeah, it's the "standard use" hehe
[12:55] <[Goce] > PSTREE does not show it cause the apt-index-watch has been killed
[12:55] <[Goce] > I will try that again when I reboot
[12:55] <[Goce] > I have to get back to work now
[12:55] <intelikey> Alumin heh   i'm kinda non-standard.
[12:55] <Alumin> genii: not that I know of
[12:55] <[Goce] > lunch is over
[12:55] <[Goce] > I'll touch bases when I get back home tonight
[12:55] <Alumin> genii: there's a native Flash plugin, but I don't think there's a Shockwave one
[12:57] <SolidSource> genii: shockwave and flash are generally the same thing
[12:57] <genii> Alumin Yeah I found the flash9 for linux doesn't do shockwave for some reason. Main issue for me is there is a bunch of kids using one of the public LANs I set up with linux... but many of the sites they go to play educational games is shockwave-based for whatever reason
[12:57] <vlt|home> Hello. Sometimes when trying to download a file with Konqueror it opens in kate. Any idea how to store it on disk?
[12:58] <Admiral_hehe> vlt|home: right click, save link as
[12:58] <genii> The window saying "click here to download plugin" that comes up is useless LOO
[12:58] <genii> LOL even
[12:58] <Alumin> yeah
[12:58] <waylandbill_> vlt|home: right mouse button is your friend
[12:58] <intelikey> "educational games is shockwave-based for whatever reason"  reason.  the writers need educated ?
[12:58] <SolidSource> genii: what browser?
[12:58] <genii> intelikey Well, these are PBS websites
[12:59] <genii> SolidSource: Firefox 1.5.x
[12:59] <grego> save as doesnt work with this isue..  waylandbill
[12:59] <vlt|home> Admiral_hehe, waylandbill_: Did try that before, it doesn't work. I only get a few bytes of "defere file". It's a crappy javascript download page, so wget and even curl failed.
[12:59] <Admiral_hehe> vlt|home: got a link?
[12:59] <waylandbill> intelikey: how's it going. havent seen you for a few days
[12:59] <grego> for  me it happens with all debs
[01:00] <vlt|home> Admiral_hehe: No, it's in a password protected area :(
[01:00] <SolidSource> genii: besides you need to update firefox to 2.02 flash plugin should take care of shockwave....easiest test is www.shockwave.com and about:plugins in firefox address bar
[01:00] <intelikey> waylandbill been here every day.    doing fine as frog hair split four ways.
[01:00] <Admiral_hehe> vlt|home: :( . I'll blame the web page. could save the file and move it from /tmp
[01:00] <Admiral_hehe> gotta run
[01:00] <waylandbill> intelikey: I must've ignored you. ;)
[01:01] <genii> SolidSource: So linux firefox 2.x flash plugin works with shockwave from in linux then?
[01:01] <tuprox> Can the terminal (the one that has tabbed windows) be installed in Ubuntu 6.10?
[01:01] <intelikey> waylandbill i'm used to that...
[01:01] <vlt|home> Admiral_hehe: It's 700M binary
[01:01] <intelikey> tuprox not can be.  IS.
[01:02] <tuprox> nice.  how do I get it to open?
[01:02] <SolidSource> genii: yes, there were some changes in the base code of firefox between 1.5 and 2.0
[01:02] <ryanakca> can someone please test bug 89332? (On an install without gnome/pygtk apps)
[01:02] <intelikey> tuprox both kde and 'nome supply tab's terminals.
[01:02] <genii> SolidSource: OK thx I'll try it
[01:02] <tuprox> I have 8 terminals open and could really consolidate
[01:02] <vlt|home> Where can I tell Konqueror or KDE not to
[01:02] <vlt|home> open those files in kat
[01:03] <vlt|home> s//e?/
[01:03] <SolidSource> genii: firefox should have been updated through the repos though...so don't see how you have 1.5 anyway
[01:03] <intelikey> !cli | tuprox
[01:03] <ubotu> tuprox: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[01:03] <tuprox> thank you!
[01:03] <tuprox> I see what I need to do
[01:03] <genii> SolidSource: Version reports <IP_ADDRESS> I think
[01:04] <intelikey> tuprox both of those ^ support tabs by default.
[01:04] <waylandbill> grego: sorry, could you repeat the problem?
[01:04] <SolidSource> genii: but the newest version in repos is 2.0.2...
[01:04] <tuprox> I never really looked at the top for the TABS menu.  God I feel DUMB!!!
[01:05] <grego> same as <vlt|home>
[01:05] <genii> SolidSource: Do dev libs need to be installed? Perhaps I haven't opened up the sources.list enough or so
[01:05] <hawk__> need help with beryl
[01:05] <grego> downloaded deb files are always opened with kate..
[01:05] <hawk__> where do i need to go
[01:05] <SolidSource> !source-o-matic > genii
[01:06] <genii> hmm
[01:06] <vlt|home> grego: sa_v_e as? Didn't work. I got just a few bytes of download.hml
[01:06] <waylandbill> genii: dev libs need to be installed when need to compile. those packages are all headers.
[01:06] <hawk__> where do i go to get help with beryl
[01:06] <grego> same here..
[01:06] <SolidSource> genii: dev packages are for manual compiling...
[01:07] <vlt|home> grego: But when clicking it left the real target file is downloaded -- and opened in kate :(
[01:07] <SolidSource> genii: and the repos store mostly DEB packages
[01:07] <genii> Yeah OK. I'm just wondering now why then sudo apt-get upgrade doesn't up the firefox vers. Weird. Maybe because on 6.06?
[01:08] <intelikey> as far as terminal emulation, lets see; you could run 127 x session  with <unknown number> terminal windows in each with 256 tabs in each window and screen can support 256 psyudo terminals in each tab....    be hard to run out of terminals in default linux
[01:08] <SolidSource> genii: might need to update sources
[01:09] <SolidSource> genii: just follow that source-o-matic page, and you will have most the repos you will ever need
[01:09] <genii> It's back up then? Down yesterday or day before
[01:10] <intelikey> !info mozilla-firefox dapper
[01:10] <ubotu> mozilla-firefox: Transition package for firefox rename. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> (dapper), package size 49 kB, installed size 104 kB
[01:10] <intelikey> cause it's version  1.5  ?
[01:10] <troxor> does anyone know how to run the kcontrol modules individually?
[01:11] <SolidSource> dapper only has the 1.5? that doesn't make sense
[01:11] <genii> So "main" repo is for sure enabled on those boxes.
[01:11] <genii> Damn, may need to up to Edgy or so then
[01:12] <genii> PITA for 48 systems
[01:12] <intelikey> genii i think you can up to 2.0 via backports in dapper ?    but upgrade wont install from backports will it ?
[01:12] <hendaus> hiya
[01:12] <intelikey> !ff2
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ff2 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <SolidSource> intelikey: upgrade uses all the repos in the sources.list
[01:13] <genii> intelikey PErhaps I'll force the version in the dkpg command
[01:13] <hendaus> can anyone tell me how to burn a vcd/dvd on kubuntu?
[01:13] <ryanakca> can someone please test bug 89332? (On an feisty system without python-glade2 installed)
[01:14] <intelikey> SolidSource i don't think it will uninstall something to install a new relese of it
[01:14] <ryanakca> bug 89332
[01:14] <intelikey> SolidSource if it was just a subversion  yes.  but that's not just an update.
[01:14] <adydas> anyone got any comments or advice on NAS devices with networks and linux? can i mount a USB based unit? or does it need to be LAN?
[01:14] <SolidSource> intelikey: don't have to uninstall firefox to upgrade it
[01:15] <big_bang_baby> hey how does kubuntu to work with the gtk based apps ( for example drag and drop features ) to comunicate with the outside ( kde ) is a library ? i ve hear about qtk-qt but that doesnt satisfies the drag an drop featured gtk apps
[01:15] <hendaus> can anyone help me thanx
[01:15] <adydas> hendaus: Use K3B
[01:16] <VanessaE> How do I force Konqueror to regenerate the thumbnails shown when I point it to a directory full of images?  (such as on my camera, which acts as a normal USB mass-storage device)
[01:16] <VanessaE> (e.g. the image preview/thumbnail icons shown in "Icon" view mode)
[01:17] <hendaus> adydas, i have a movie film .avi and my vcd player cannot read it, maybe it needs to burn it as vcd
[01:17] <intelikey> could clear the cache dir
[01:17] <hendaus> can u help me
[01:17] <adydas> hendaus: Do you have the correct or any codecs installed to view
[01:17] <adydas> as id guess you cant copy what you cant read / see
[01:17] <adydas> !codecs
[01:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:18] <genii> heh apt-get --target-release switch worked to get firefox 2 onto dapper
[01:18] <VanessaE> ah..  that might work, though that's a bit ungraceful :-)
[01:19] <hendaus> adydas,  when i used windows before the nero has the option a make vcd and it convert the movie and burn it into vcd
[01:19] <hendaus> i am newbie on kubuntu
[01:19] <intelikey> agreed.   is there no refresh in the menus ?
[01:20] <VanessaE> the only refresh offered is the one that refreshes the whole "page"
[01:20] <VanessaE> which really just reloads the directory contents
[01:20] <adydas> hendaus: what about using nero with kubuntu?
[01:20] <adydas> via wine
[01:20] <SolidSource> hendaus: you talking about extracting DVD to VCD?
[01:21] <adydas> burning an AVI file to VCD i think..
[01:21] <grego> k3b doesnt have such option?
[01:21] <SolidSource> oh
[01:21] <hendaus> adydas, yes
[01:21] <VanessaE> K3B can burn VCd's
[01:21] <intelikey> idk.   peradventure one might use the camera app ?     what's it called ?
[01:21] <hendaus> no
[01:21] <VanessaE> ohh.
[01:21] <hendaus> on windows nero has everything
[01:21] <SolidSource> just do ISO...you can mount those and use them the same
[01:21] <adydas> then help the poor man out, ive never done it.. if i tryed and found it hard but used to do it in windows with nero id just install nero to kubuntu useing wine
[01:22] <secleinteer> does anyone know which package has to be installed to add flac ripping support to kaudiocreator?
[01:22] <adydas> SolidSource:  So you burn it to ISO but you can mount it kinda like a cdrom to use it?
[01:22] <VanessaE> I think the camera app is DigiKam but I've never used that
[01:22] <adydas> yeah DigiKams allright
[01:22] <SolidSource> adydas: yes
[01:22] <adydas> SolidSource: Oh sweet, if only my NAS drive didnt die and take 300g of stuff i could test that out with..
[01:23] <hendaus> adydas,  i have the nerolinux,but it doesnot has the option of burning to vcd
[01:23] <SolidSource> hendaus: why VCD? theres other options
[01:23] <VanessaE> one thing I did run into just now - this is weird -  I told Konq to browse the dir using Gwenview, which shows the same wrong thumb, but then I clicked on one and hit refresh..  lo and behold, the thumbnail updated to the proper image.  Did the same for the other image in the folder, closed Gwenview.  tried the same sequence of actions in the Konq window and it followed suit, showing the 'proper' thumbnails.
[01:23] <SolidSource> like DivX
[01:24] <hendaus> SolidSource,  nerolinux is just for burn compilation
[01:25] <SolidSource> hendaus: I know...didn't say anything about that
[01:25] <hendaus> no
[01:25] <hendaus> ok i give u an example
[01:26] <hendaus> on windows nero when burn a vcd movie, after finishing burning the cd, i open it and it shows like 6 folders, and one of them is .MPEG
[01:27] <hendaus> sorry the folder name is VCD
[01:27] <intelikey> VanessaE yeah linux is not the worlds best at staying up with changes on a disk that it didn't make...   that's why automount cdroms cause so much trubble   and why "plug and get mad" devices like cameras give odd behaviour sometimes.     that's also why i do every thing manually even when i do use a gui.
[01:27] <VanessaE> lol...  "plug and get mad"
[01:27] <intelikey> :_
[01:27] <hatta> if you need to make vcds you an try this
[01:27] <hatta> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD
[01:27] <SolidSource> hendaus: ok, why is that abolutely essential for you?
[01:28] <VanessaE> still, I get your point
[01:28] <hendaus> SolidSource,  coz i have a vcd player and dvd player at my home and we have to watch the movie
[01:29] <adydas> hendaus: some windowys software VSO is good for that, might work with WINE
[01:29] <adydas> i know im going to try one day
[01:29] <adydas> BLOODY good
[01:29] <SolidSource> hendaus: ok, could just burn it directly as a MPEG then
[01:30] <snikker> how play copy-protected audio cd?
[01:30] <hendaus> SolidSource,  no it burns like 5 folders and one of them is VCDMPEG
[01:31] <SolidSource> hendaus: ok I know what your doing, but there has to be a different way
[01:31] <adydas> Best Mail client for KDE?
[01:32] <SolidSource> all CDs are technically copy protected...but that is on paper not necessarily in the coding of the CD
[01:32] <adydas> Kmail didnt REALLLY do it for me, anything i havent yet seen?
[01:32] <VanessaE> intelikey, deliberate errors in the CD media layer
[01:32] <SolidSource> adydas: thunderbird and kmail (now kontact)
[01:32] <hendaus> SolidSource,  ok
[01:32] <VanessaE> usually laser-cut holes or deliberate CRC errors
[01:32] <intelikey> adydas default is kmail    best is subjective and controversial
[01:32] <adydas> thunderbird thats it..
[01:32] <neutrik>  /whois neutrik
[01:32] <hendaus> adydas,  say that i can install nero with wine but is it works fine or not?
[01:33] <VanessaE> and of course the usual crap of adding a data track with DRM software that auto-runs in windows
[01:33] <SolidSource> hendaus: the older version nero should work
[01:33] <adydas> hendaus: trail and error my freind
[01:33] <adydas> i imagine it has a pritty good chance to working tho
[01:34] <intelikey> VanessaE so do you get io errors reading these disks ?    dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso  ?
[01:34] <hendaus> SolidSource,  i have nero 6 of windows
[01:34] <VanessaE> I've never tried ripping a "protected" CD, but I'll bet you dimes to donuts that cdparanioa will have no trouble
[01:34] <adydas> that should do
[01:35] <VanessaE> however, you can't just read the audio into an ISO file anyway
[01:35] <VanessaE> at least, I don't think you can... I've always relied on cdparanioa
[01:36] <SolidSource> Kaudiocreater will rip CDs with no problem
[01:36] <intelikey> i'll have to test dd...       and of course the evil "DRM"   and   "TCG"   will be there.
[01:37] <VanessaE> intelikey: over there------>
[01:37] <VanessaE> nonono there, top of the shelf
[01:38] <SolidSource> hendaus: not sure about versiion 6...check the WINE app database
[01:38] <snikker> i don't must rip a copy-protected audio cd, but only listen it, but i can't
[01:39] <VanessaE> snikker: if the CD is "protected" using errors, ytou can't play it on a computer, usually because the computer uses digital audio extraction to play it
[01:39] <VanessaE> whereas CD players I guess directly decode the audio
[01:40] <SolidSource> snikker: don't get what problem you are having, cause I have an extensive CD collection and have never had a problem playing or ripping
[01:40] <intelikey> ha  found one.
[01:40] <SolidSource> hendaus: this might interest you: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Create_a_VCD_or_SVCD
[01:40] <hatta> snikker, take your cd back to where you got it
[01:40] <snikker> i can't listen a particular audio cd with computer...
[01:40] <hatta> it is defective
[01:41] <SolidSource> yeah
[01:41] <VanessaE> defective by design - aka "copy protected"
[01:41] <SolidSource> if you have all your codecs installed, you should have no problem, no matter the CD
[01:41] <hatta> can I ask what album it is?
[01:41] <hendaus> hatta, yes i open the site,but i want it ntsc not pal
[01:41] <snikker> it's not defectiv...
[01:41] <intelikey> VanessaE you is correct.  dd gets  io errors
[01:42] <VanessaE> snikker, if it won't play on a computer, and the disc isn't scratched or whatever, then it IS defective by red (orange?) book standards.
[01:42] <snikker> it's not defective it play well in external audio cd player...
[01:42] <VanessaE> I repeat...
[01:42] <VanessaE> if it won't play on a computer, and the disc isn't scratched or whatever, then it IS defective by red (orange?) book standards.
[01:43] <snikker> so, it' impossible to listen it in a computer, right?
[01:43] <SolidSource> snikker: if Kcdplayer won't play it or amarok...then the CD has a problem
[01:43] <VanessaE> nope, not impossible
[01:43] <VanessaE> you need to rip it with a good error-correcting program like cdparanioa
[01:43] <snikker> oh, i understand...
[01:43] <VanessaE> the CD manufacturers do this crap to keep you from copying the CD
[01:44] <SolidSource> they try, but they can't make a CD not play on a computer...cause people use their computers as stereos
[01:44] <VanessaE> exactly
[01:45] <VanessaE> it's a cat-and-mouse game that they'll never win, thank G*d
[01:47] <intelikey> you get this kinda krap out of them.
[01:47] <intelikey> [17189073.356000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 0
[01:47] <intelikey> [17189073.356000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 1
[01:47] <intelikey> [17189073.356000]  Buffer I/O error on device hdd, logical block 2
[01:48] <intelikey> nice...
[01:49] <troxor> does anyone know how to run the kcontrol modules individually?
[01:49] <VanessaE> yep
[01:49] <VanessaE> use cdparanioa :)
[01:49] <hacked_kernel> Hello
[01:49] <VanessaE> it pulls no punches
[01:50] <hacked_kernel> Any applications using OpenGL crashes when starting up, any ideas?
[01:51] <octo777> I have a prob i hope i can get some help for
[01:51] <octo777> I tryed sabayon a bit ago for the heck of it, and the boot loader it put on my MBR apears corrupt to ubuntu and Win XP
[01:51] <octo777> I cant use the partition util in either win, or ubuntu on that Disk anymore, but saybayon(gentoo also im guessing)seems to have no prob with it
[01:51] <octo777> is anyone familiar with this situation? , does sabayon do something weird to the disks MBR, that i can fix so i can install feisty on it again?
[01:51] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: What's the error? Start one in a terminal
[01:53] <octo777> I really like Kubuntu and wish i can put it on that drive, so if anyone can help me with my MBR prob, i would be greatful
[01:53] <VanessaE> octo: if you don't mind losing what's on the disk, you can just boot the kubuntu CD, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourdisk  (probably hda or sda), wait for a while, cancel it, then repartition and install
[01:53] <Minataku> octo777: I'd zero it
[01:53] <hacked_kernel> Minataku:
[01:53] <hacked_kernel> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[01:53] <Minataku> Or just zero the first 512 bytes
[01:53] <hacked_kernel>   Major opcode:  145
[01:53] <hacked_kernel>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> Failed to open device
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Major opcode:  145
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:54] <hacked_kernel>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> Failed to open device
[01:54] <hacked_kernel> Segmentation fault
[01:54] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: There's an ubotu thing for this, and don't paste large amounts of text again
[01:55] <intelikey> Q=0 ;until [ $Q -gt 20 ]  ;do cdparanoia $Q file.$Q ;Q=$(($Q + 1))
[01:55] <intelikey> ;done
[01:55] <intelikey> :)
[01:55] <Minataku> !BadDevice
[01:55] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[01:55] <Minataku> There we go
[01:55] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Read that
[01:56] <intelikey> hacked_kernel that's not an error.
[01:56] <intelikey> that's ubuntu
[01:57] <snikker> VanessaE: cdparanoia works! but is possible to do it on the fly with kscd?
[01:57] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: Actually I don't get any error messages about OpenGL
[01:57] <VanessaE> snikker: not sure, I've never had much success with kscd
[01:57] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Doh
[01:57] <Minataku> Yeah, I just forgot, Kubuntu's default xorg.conf is stupid
[01:57] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: The program just crashes, even in the OpenGL screensavers.
[01:57] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Yeah, I just saw that last part, "Segmentation fault"
[01:58] <Minataku> Which is the real bad one
[01:58] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Type "catchsegv <nameofprogram>"
[01:58] <snikker> VanessaE: ok, thanks for support :)
[01:58] <Minataku> I don't know if Kubuntu has that but it's worth a shot
[01:58] <octo777> sorry for the stupid question, but is that similar to telling XP's mbrfix util to write a new MBR?
[01:58] <VanessaE> I tried :)
[01:58] <Minataku> octo777: No, Windows can choke on a drive with crap on it
[01:58] <VanessaE> octo: not really, this just renders the disk "black" from the OS's point of view
[01:58] <intelikey> wo willy did well
[01:58] <VanessaE> er, "blank"
[01:59] <Minataku> Zeroing a drive will always bring it back providing there's no mechanical or electrical problems
[02:00] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: catchsegv outputs too many lines, which part you want?
[02:01] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: The part before that crap at the bottom
[02:01] <Minataku> And pastebin it
[02:01] <Minataku> !pastebin | hacked_kernel
[02:01] <ubotu> hacked_kernel: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:01] <hawk__> how do i run a .run file
[02:01] <octo777> i will try that and i hope it works, now that feisty has xorg7.2 in it should be nice to get kubuntu back on that drive
[02:02] <VanessaE> woohoo!  Ctrl-Alt-kpplus is fixed finally! :-)
[02:02] <intelikey> hawk__ sh file.run
[02:02] <VanessaE> (speaking of feisty)
[02:02] <hawk__> THANKYOU
[02:02] <Minataku> intelikey: ./file.run is better
[02:02] <hawk__> WELL THAT DID NOT WORK
[02:03] <Minataku> Or rather, the correct way
[02:03] <Minataku> hawk__: Hit your CAPS LOCK key
[02:03] <octo777> Minataku   when I boot to the kubuntu cd, when do I type in the "dd if......." stuff ?
[02:03] <hawk__> it said i have no promission to do that
[02:03] <intelikey> Minataku no not in the sense of seeing error messages and preserving the env. it's not.
[02:03] <Minataku> octo777: After the system boots
[02:03] <hawk__> then i tryed to run it with sudo and it said command not found
[02:04] <Minataku> intelikey: ./ is how you run an executable in the current directory
[02:04] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/8299/plain/
[02:04] <Minataku> No use starting another shell just to run a program
[02:04] <intelikey> Minataku have to chmod it that way.
[02:05] <intelikey> but if you want to set the permission and then execute the shell script go ahead.
[02:05] <hawk__> how do i give my self promission over a file so i can run it
[02:05] <Minataku> hawk__: chmod u+x file.run
[02:05] <Minataku> Then ./file.run
[02:06] <intelikey> hawk__ before you play break the system  what are you trying to install ?
[02:06] <hawk__> thank you
[02:06] <hawk__> America's Army
[02:07] <intelikey> url to the dl ?
[02:07] <octo777> Minataku: after the sys boots from the live cd you mean?
[02:07] <Mena> !beryl |Mena
[02:07] <Minataku> octo777: Yes
[02:08] <hawk__> where can i go for help with berly
[02:08] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: Have you checked the URL?
[02:08] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Oh, yeah, sorry
[02:08] <intelikey> !beryl
[02:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:08] <Mena> inteikey, ok :)
[02:08] <octo777> k cool ,thanks, im off the the better side of the world where they have penguins
[02:08] <hawk__> thanks
[02:08] <octo777> and beryl
[02:08] <Minataku> What's all this "./mysql-workbench-bin" crap?
[02:09] <mzanfardino> how do I modify kicker to display last few applications run in the menu?  (I've seen this behaviour but can not locate where it might be set)
[02:09] <mzanfardino> !kicker
[02:09] <ubotu> kicker: desktop panel for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 1953 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[02:09] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: which part in the output is usefull?
[02:10] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: The backtrace
[02:10] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Let's run this through GDB instead
[02:10] <mzanfardino> nm, I found it
[02:10] <Minataku> Type "gdb executable"
[02:10] <Minataku> It should run a bit then complain
[02:10] <intelikey> Minataku admitedly i need glasses but i saw your post <Minataku> intelikey: ./file.run is better    <<<   as  . ./file.run is better       . not :   heh think   source file.run        "think about that"   ;/
[02:11] <Minataku> I want you to type "bt full" at the prompt, then give me the output of that
[02:11] <intelikey> hawk__ url that you dl'd that from ?
[02:13] <intelikey> reason i'm asking.     i want to look and make sure that it is just a shell script wraped around an archive.  as most .run files seem to be.
[02:14] <bxnp> anybody played with kde zeroconf
[02:17] <Mena> intleikey, are you using beryl bec i dont get response form the channle
[02:17] <Mena> intelikey, *
[02:17] <intelikey> Mena no.
[02:18] <Mena> ok no pro
[02:18] <pipz0r> anyone know if Drive Image 5 will work on kubuntu for imaging ??
[02:19] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: I can't run it by gdb because its exec file must run by sh file which is n't a recognizable exec formate for gdb
[02:19] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Try some other OpenGL app then
[02:20] <Minataku> If they all crash then they're all gonna give me something useful
[02:20] <Mena> How to set up a kernel
[02:20] <Mena> patch or something like that
[02:20] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: I have wrote some OpenGL applications in C++ they working greatly!!
[02:21] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: only this applications the the screensavers
[02:21] <elyon> Where are the menu item entries stored?  I still have entries in my K menu from an entirely different distro...
[02:21] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Hm
[02:22] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: I can't help you here
[02:22] <Minataku> Sorry
[02:23] <hacked_kernel> Minataku: No problem, thanks for trying, thank you
[02:23] <Mena> elyon, What do you mena
[02:24] <Mena> elyon, edit the menu
[02:24] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Hm
[02:24] <Mena> elyon, right clcik edit ?? or this is not the solution
[02:24] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: Do "locate xscreensaver"
[02:24] <Minataku> I believe you can run the savers manually
[02:24] <elyon> Mena: I'm curious why I still have entries to begin with.  I know it has something to do with .desktop files, but I have no clue where those are stored.  I know how to use the editor, just would like to know how to prevent this in the future.
[02:24] <Minataku> If you can run one through GDB then I should get a usable backtrace
[02:25] <hacked_kernel> Okay
[02:25] <Mena> elyon, find them on
[02:25] <Mena> elyon, sec plz
[02:27] <Mena> elyon, did you try here /home/$usr$/.kde/share  maybe its here
[02:27] <elyon> Mena: I'll look around in there, but I had competely deleted my ~/.kde/ folder and restarted X... they still show up.
[02:28] <Mena> elyon, hmmm
[02:29] <Mena> elyon, did try here also /home/$suer$/.local/share/
[02:29] <elyon> Mena: Nope... haven't looked there yet.
[02:29] <elyon> Thanks for your help, though... I just ended up using the Menu Editor :)
[02:30] <elyon> besides.... I doubt I'll try any other distros now... just keep coming back to Ubuntu :)
[02:30] <Mena> elyon, ok
[02:30] <Mena> elyon, Welcomr :)
[02:30] <Mena> e*
[02:31] <elyon> Xandros, MEPIS, SuSe, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, Debian, hmm... a myriad of others I've tried... not so good.
[02:31] <Minataku> hacked_kernel: If you're there, open one terminal, type "gdb xscreensaver"
[02:31] <elyon> Definitely looking forward to Feisty, though... seems they've finally relaxed a little on the "non-free" codecs and such...
[02:31] <Minataku> nvm then
[02:32] <elyon> ...that was a serious barrier to a system that "Just Works"
[02:32] <CShadowRun> hmm, small question.
[02:32] <CShadowRun> kubuntu says i have 2 processors when i go to sys info (but i only have one) i assume that means i have a dual core ( i'm not much on hardware )
[02:32] <CShadowRun> should i download the x64 version? or stick with the i386 since it seems to be managing my dual core nicely :P
[02:33] <intelikey> the only things missing are slackware redhat/fedora and gentoo
[02:33] <intelikey> that would cover the major distros
[02:33] <elyon> intelikey: Oh yeah, I tried FC too ;)
[02:33] <elyon> intelikey: I missed my apt, though :)
[02:34] <intelikey> i see.    still don't like the nick you choose
[02:34] <elyon> huh?
[02:34] <naught101> anyone know why the "save view profile" menu item would be greyed out in my konqueror?
[02:34] <elyon> intelikey: What's wrong with my nick?
[02:35] <elyon> ah
[02:35] <intelikey> i like better.  thanks.
[02:35] <Minataku> ?????
[02:44] <pingveno> um
[02:44] <pingveno> Did anyone else just have a bunch of leave/joins?
[02:45] <Eruantalon> yep
[02:45] <pingveno> strangeness
[02:46] <pingveno> premier_, you still there?
[02:46] <Minataku> Hm
[02:47] <Minataku> !netsplit
[02:47] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:47] <Minataku> There we go
[02:47] <pingveno> I hope not
[02:47] <Minataku> Kind of a dumb explanation, though, needs more clarity
[02:47] <Minataku> And that's what it was, pingveno
[02:47] <Minataku> A rather big netsplit
[02:48] <soulrider> it has happened a few times here
[02:49] <soulrider> i can remember seeing it at least 3 times
[02:49] <soulrider> its fun :)
[02:49] <pingveno> lol
[02:49] <Minataku> It's guaranteed to happen whenever you have more than one server
[02:49] <Minataku> Every time you see "Read error" or "Connection reset by peer" it's basically the same deal
[02:50] <soulrider> its quite cool, everyone tends to go like "wtf?!"
[02:50] <Minataku> Down to the fact that if you're an IRC Operator, you'll see "irc.whatever.com disconnected: Connection reset by peer"
[02:50] <Minataku> Well, more or less
[02:50] <Minataku> I haven't been behind that badge for a year or two
[02:51] <soulrider> i got ym internet upgraded today :D
[02:51] <soulrider> !es
[02:51] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:51] <soulrider> its 1mbit down now
[02:52] <Minataku> That's not a whole lot of downstream
[02:52] <Minataku> 128KB/s, I believe
[02:52] <soulrider> i used to have 640k
[02:52] <soulrider> before that ihad 512, 256 and 64 :P
[02:52] <Minataku> Yeah, 128KB/s
[02:52] <soulrider> so far my top speed has been 105kb
[02:52] <soulrider> from kernel.org
[02:52] <adydas> 1mb down? dam
[02:53] <Minataku> adydas: Remember, one bit is 1/8 of a byte
[02:53] <soulrider> yeah
[02:53] <Minataku> Like I said, 1mbit is actually pretty dismal
[02:53] <soulrider> how much you got ?
[02:54] <Minataku> Highest I've seen is 700KB/s
[02:54] <Minataku> Average is 450KB/s
[02:54] <Minataku> Multiply by 8 to get the kilobits per second
[02:57] <carlos__> hola
[02:59] <premier_> pingveno, what did you want?
[03:03] <K3nto> is anybody here in #ubuntu
[03:05] <genii> Is there a channel specific to server/LAMP install?
[03:06] <adydas> NM
[03:08] <genii> If anyone familiar with hosting control panels such as: http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html  http://www.gnupanel.org/ or http://www.ispconfig.org/ please give a suggestion as to what may work well or has been tested under 6.06 Server. I found a good howto for the gplhost dtc install here: http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu6.06_dtc_isp_server
[03:09] <crackhead> how do you save your current kde session?
[03:11] <K3nto> could somebody here do me a big favor? i was helping a fellow in #ubuntu install Edgy Eft but i got booted
[03:14] <curtis> can you install a GTK2 theme on Kubuntu?
[03:15] <tuprox> does ubuntu support dual monitors, 1680x1050?
[03:16] <thomax_> curtis: sudo apt-get install libgtk2+
[03:17] <curtis> thomax_  thanks.  to actually install the themes, do they just go in /usr/share/themes ?  Not sure how to "apply" either
[03:20] <genii> Does anyone have a good hosting control panel suggestion? eg: what app may be good for this and fairly painless under *buntu
[03:20] <curtis> thomax_  I get "E: Couldn't find package libgtk2"  It's not in adept either.  Another name perhaps?
[03:22] <Prophet> Anyone familiar with xhydra? I keep getting an error and could use some assistance.
[03:26] <ari_> hello !!!
[03:28] <[Goce] > I'm back.. so where can I write Kubuntu to make them aware of this problem I've been having?
[03:31] <wifioh> how do i install a window decoration in kde?
[03:32] <wifioh> i downloaded the one on this page: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32099
[03:32] <wifioh> download link: http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=32099&id=1
[03:37] <curtis> for some reason when I start up Beryl, I get like 18 desktops!  What's up with that?
[03:40] <adydas> Can i format a harddrive thats blank as NTFS and mount it via CIFS within linux to read and write to it, This would also allow it to be visable in windows should i ever use that ( but more importantly shared over a network )
[03:40] <pingveno> wifioh: are you having any particular problems?
[03:40] <pingveno> Or have you not done compiles before?
[03:41] <pingveno> can anyone hear me?
[03:42] <sunnyhours4130> yup
[03:42] <pingveno> k
[03:42] <pingveno> Just checking
[03:42] <wifioh> pingveno: sorry, i was afk
[03:42] <pingveno> with the netsplit and all
[03:42] <pingveno> k
[03:43] <Jucato> pingveno: in a netsplit, there will always be a certain number of people who'll still be able to hear you
[03:43] <sunnyhours4130> is /var/log/messages the only place that'll have any useful output from a failed attempt at "startx"?
[03:43] <sunnyhours4130> (having trouble installing the nvidia driver)
[03:43] <wifioh> pingveno: i've compiled from source before. but i just wanted to know if there were any existing packages for that theme
[03:43] <pingveno> ah, I see
[03:43] <adydas> sunnyhours4130: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:43] <wifioh> pingveno: in gnome, i don't have to compile anything to use a theme, so i'm wondering, why kde requires it
[03:43] <curtis> does anyone know why starting Beryl would give me 18 desktops?
[03:43] <adydas> then edit the conf from nv to nvidia
[03:43] <sunnyhours4130> adydas: done that. i think i installed too much stuff
[03:43] <adydas> works a treat for me
[03:44] <adydas> you can purge it clean and start fresh, i just forget how
[03:44] <sunnyhours4130> yeah, doesn't seem that complicated
[03:44] <sunnyhours4130> heh heh
[03:44] <pingveno> KDE does themes through C++
[03:44] <sunnyhours4130> lspci definitely lists the geforce4 mx440. i did that, and edited the xorg.conf file. no dice
[03:44] <adydas> ive done it on 2 installs, on with and one without beryl and it was good.. i might still have the wiki website if u wanted it
[03:45] <adydas> have you ensured you have nvidia-glx installed? () pritty sure thats the package )
[03:45] <sunnyhours4130> yep
[03:45] <Jucato> wifioh: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu#head-f6713b84b1a09ea8abdc944bde61090b62470986 <--- here's why
[03:46] <adydas> whats the logfile say
[03:46] <adydas> can you paste it
[03:46] <adydas> !paste
[03:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:46] <sunnyhours4130> 1 sec
[03:48] <sunnyhours4130> i used pastebin before. the errors are on a different computer right now. got two right next to each other
[03:48] <adydas> ah
[03:48] <sunnyhours4130> other computer isn't connected to the network
[03:48] <pingveno> wifioh: so you're just looking for a package for Alphacube?
[03:48] <adydas> that is a pisser
[03:48] <adydas> does it have internet access tho?
[03:48] <Jucato> wifioh: in summary, what you are "installing" in GNOME are not widget styles. You're actually just adding color schemes to an already installed widget style. in KDE, you are really installing a new style.
[03:48] <sunnyhours4130> so i'll look at purging all the nvidia stuff
[03:49] <Jucato> wifioh: same with window decorations
[03:49] <sunnyhours4130> it can. i have one usb wireless NIC that I can swap between them   =)
[03:49] <adydas> sunnyhours4130:  if it has net access use lynx to use pastebin
[03:49] <sunnyhours4130> or i can do a xover cable between them. i think i have ip masq set up on this one
[03:49] <adydas> then back on here and give the URL
[03:49] <sunnyhours4130> heh heh
[03:49] <Jucato> !info kwin-style-alphacube | wifioh
[03:49] <ubotu> wifioh: kwin-style-alphacube: Alphacube window decoration for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 46 kB, installed size 248 kB
[03:49] <jamaur> hey all, a quick question: anyone know if I can capture VHS to DVD with an old voodoo 3 video card with a video capture device + USB?
[03:50] <adydas> jamaur: might be alot easyer and faster finding someone with a VHS to DVDrw(r) unit
[03:50] <sunnyhours4130> i'll look into purging the stuff first, and try again
[03:51] <adydas> bbs
[03:52] <sunnyhours4130> !apt
[03:52] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:52] <pingveno> !Adept
[03:52] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:54] <sunnyhours4130> !poo
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about poo - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <sunnyhours4130> tee hee
[03:54] <soulrider> sunnyhours4130: you know how to purge ?
[03:55] <sunnyhours4130> trying to figure it out
[03:55] <soulrider> do
[03:55] <soulrider> sudo patitude purge <package name>
[03:55] <wifioh> Jucato: thank you very much :D
[03:56] <Jucato> wifioh: wouldn't hurt if you search the packages first. :D
[03:56] <sunnyhours4130> not working. i don't have aptitude or patitude
[03:57] <xoss> patitude?
[03:57] <soulrider> aptitude
[03:57] <soulrider> sorry, im making typ0s all the time
[03:57] <sunnyhours4130> haha
[03:57] <soulrider> Jucato: already have some :P
[03:57] <soulrider> sunnyhours4130: aptitude > apt-get
[03:57] <Jucato> soulrider: clearly you need another pair :)
[03:57] <sunnyhours4130> d'oh..... i typoed it too!!! aptitute
[03:58] <soulrider> Jucato.... youre getting in trouble....
[03:58] <User2501> hey anyone know an extremely light weight database app that will run in win32?
[03:58] <sunnyhours4130> so i purged nvidia. what else should I purge before trying to reinstall?
[03:58] <Jucato> s/youre/you're/
[03:58] <User2501> i need it for work
[03:59] <User2501> and is searchable
[03:59] <sunnyhours4130> should i just keep doing "apt-cache search nvidia" and keep purging all of them?
[04:00] <xoss> User2501: i suggest you use mysql..
[04:00] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: trying to get nvidia installed. i borked it somehow on another box that i'm working on
[04:00] <soulrider> sunnyhours4130: aptitude search <packagename> :P
[04:00] <adydas> he wants to remove all traces that hes tryed first
[04:00] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: how did it b0rk?
[04:00] <User2501> mysql....  but the thing i dont understand abt that, is it just as simple as installing from an installer and it good to go?
[04:00] <adydas> pritty much yes
[04:01] <User2501> xoss: im thinking these more to it then just that
[04:01] <sunnyhours4130> soulrider: what do the p, v, or i mean in the first column in aptitude search?
[04:01] <xoss> User2501: yes..
[04:02] <sunnyhours4130> i'm removing a lot of stuff. i have a feeling my system is not even going to boot after this
[04:02] <User2501> honestly alli need is to be able to put information into a text box, and be able to search for that info, and be able to change that information
[04:02] <ghetek> how do i add items to the right click "create new" menu?
[04:02] <User2501> seriously a very simple, straightforward DB
[04:02] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: p = package; v = virtual package/metapackage (one that installs other packages)
[04:02] <xoss> User2501: setting up mysql is easy, but setting it up with apache is a bit hard..
[04:03] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: i'm not having much luck with this aptitude purge thing. i've tried removing nvidia-glx a few times and its still there
[04:03] <User2501> xoss: hmmm... well im not planning to have it setup on a server or anything, i just need it at my pc at work for my own personal use
[04:03] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: huh? what do you mean? of course when you do "aptitude search" or "apt-cache search" it will always be listed
[04:03] <ghetek> xoss: i just got in so im not 100% sure what you guys are talking about but there is a LAMP install on ubuntu
[04:04] <sunnyhours4130> but i do a sudo aptitude purge nvidia-glx and then after that i do an aptitude search and it's still there
[04:04] <sunnyhours4130> am i searching what's installed on my computer? or what's available to be installed?
[04:05] <User2501> xoss: thanks though, ill keep searching for a simple db with installer and straight foward gui.  like the vtiger would have been good, but that like 98% more then i need.. lol
[04:05] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: aptitude search will list *all* available packages
[04:05] <xoss> User2501: then just use openoffice.org Database or if you're using XP use MS Access
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> ohhhhhhh........
[04:05] <surgy> hello everyone
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> so how do i find out what's installed currently?
[04:05] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: the letters beside the name tells you that
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> ooooohhhhhhhhhh
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> i'm used to fedora/mandriva. i use rpm, not apt    =P
[04:05] <Jucato> p = uninstalled package; v = virtual/metapackage; i = installed; c = removed, but not purged
[04:05] <sunnyhours4130> wow, nice
[04:06] <sunnyhours4130> so nothing with the word nvidia comes up as installed. think i'm ready to try to start over?
[04:06] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: what went wrong in the first place?
[04:06] <sunnyhours4130> not sure exactly. i think i remember seeing an error in /var/log/messages about...... well, let me look again. "no nvidia device found" or something
[04:06] <surgy> will someone please explain the advantages of making shell scripts? other than to make installing programs easier?
[04:07] <sunnyhours4130> surgy: it'll help automate tasks that you do a lot if you're into administrative things
[04:08] <sunnyhours4130> health checks, user accounts, log files..... helps to have scripts search/sort them out
[04:08] <surgy> sunnyhours4130: but i only admin 3 computers...... and i have never really needed anything longer than a few phrases in a bash commands so i guess i shouldnt worry my little head over it?
[04:08] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: I'm having trouble with /var/log/messages now. it's cutting off my output when I cat it, and pipe it to more
[04:09] <sunnyhours4130> nah. they can be fun to learn tho   =)
[04:09] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: I'm getting like "nvidia: modeul license "NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[04:09] <crackhead> how do you unpack an .iso file?
[04:09] <adydas> you dont, mount the iso
[04:09] <sunnyhours4130> NVRM : NVIDIA geforce 4 mx 440 gpu installed in this system is"
[04:09] <Jucato> !iso | crackhead
[04:09] <ubotu> crackhead: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:10] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: hm... are you using a compiled kernel?
[04:10] <_Daisuke_Ido_> no, an interpreted kernel :D
[04:10] <sunnyhours4130> stock kernel.... i don't fool with it
[04:10] <_Daisuke_Ido_> i wonder how slow that would run, anyway...
[04:10] <craig>  i need help, i installed the alternate install...I can't boot after installation...i just get the kubuntu screen and it freezes...its a graphic driver problem...my card doesn't like the generic one...what command line options can i give so that it i can get into kubuntu
[04:10] <sunnyhours4130> oh, wait..... check this out
[04:10] <Jucato> !nvidia | sunnyhours4130
[04:10] <ubotu> sunnyhours4130: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:11] <sunnyhours4130> the nvidia geforce 4 mx 440 gpu installed in this system is supported through the nvidia 1.0-96xx legacy drivers. please visist the web site for more info. the 1.0-9746 nvidia driver will ignore this gpu
[04:11] <sunnyhours4130> so i need to use legacy drivers for my older card? is that it?
[04:12] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: no
[04:12] <sunnyhours4130> *mutter*
[04:12] <nixternal> I just found that out as a matter of fact because I just wrote documentation for it not even an hour ago
[04:12] <sunnyhours4130> nice
[04:12] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: edgy right? you need nvidia-glx and linux-restricted-modules-generic installed
[04:12] <sunnyhours4130> so does that tell me what my deal is?
[04:13] <dawn> hello
[04:13] <dawn> whats the cmd to change su password?
[04:13] <sunnyhours4130> pretty sure its edgy. 2.6.17-10-386 #2 kernel. that's edgy, right?
[04:13] <craig> what command line options can I give when I start x, to get my kubuntu box to boot into x...my video card doesn't like the default drivers and I can't boot into kubuntu
[04:13] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: if you didn't install linux-restricted-modules-generic (presuming you are using the -generic kernel in Edgy), that's the problem
[04:13] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: oh... in this case, linux-restricted-modules-386
[04:13] <sunnyhours4130> lets give that a whirl. sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-386 ?
[04:14] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: depends on which kernel you boot into, but yes
[04:14] <sunnyhours4130> dunno, just what i downloaded. is the athlon 1900+ the 586 arch?
[04:14] <sunnyhours4130> 686?
[04:14] <Jucato> !generic
[04:14] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[04:14] <ghetek> !bacon
[04:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bacon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:14] <ghetek> damn
[04:15] <sunnyhours4130> *grin*
[04:15] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: let me upload what I wrote to my server really quick for you
[04:15] <crackhead> how do i mount a .iso file as recommended with mount -t if i get the error "mount point /mnt/cdrom does not exist"?
[04:15] <ghetek> how do i add items to the right click "create new" menu?
[04:16] <Jucato> crackhead: you have to creat the mount point first
[04:16] <Jucato> !iso | crackhead
[04:16] <ubotu> crackhead: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:16] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: thanks
[04:16] <crackhead> how do i create a mount point?
[04:16] <ghetek> crackhead: you should also chown it
[04:16] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: http://www.nixternal.com/docs/video.html#nvidia
[04:16] <jarn_> I think I'm using more RAM than is usual.
[04:16] <nixternal> pay close attention tot he GF4 MX 420/440 notes
[04:16] <Jucato> jarn_: what do you mean?
[04:16] <cpk1> jarn_: why is that?
[04:16] <adydas> !mount
[04:16] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:16] <jarn_> With Konqueror, Kopete, Konversation, Kmail, Kcontrol, Ksysguard, and Amarok running I'm using about 800 megabytes of ram.
[04:16] <jarn_> Isn't that a lot?
[04:16] <ahlalo_elyon> So what am I supposed to do when User Management doesn't ask for my password when clicking on "Administrator Mode"?
[04:16] <Jucato> !ram | jarn_
[04:16] <ubotu> jarn_: A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[04:16] <adydas> !DiskMounter
[04:16] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:17] <cpk1> jarn_: do 'free -m' in a terminal
[04:18] <cpk1> jarn_: the -/+ buffers/cache line in the free column is basically unused ram (although it technically is always used)
[04:18] <ahlalo_elyon> man, this is pissing me off
[04:18] <jarn_> cpk1: Is this in megabytes?
[04:18] <Jucato> nixternal: are there no more linux-restricted-modules in feisty? or does nvidia-glx have it as Depends now?
[04:18] <adydas> !format
[04:18] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:18] <cpk1> jarn_: yes
[04:19] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: not sure i quite follow that. if i have the mx440 do i skip steps 1, 2, 3, and 4 because I don't need legacy drivers?
[04:19] <dewey_> good day mates
[04:19] <cpk1> the -m is to print in mB
[04:19] <dewey_> is koffice 1.6.2 in kubuntu?
[04:20] <Jucato> dewey_: for Edgy, yes
[04:20] <jarn_> cpk1: So if it says 678 in the +/- buffers/cache row under the free column, that's about my actual free RAM?
[04:20] <cpk1> jarn_: yes
[04:20] <jarn_> cpk1: Ah. Well, that's better. :P
[04:20] <Jucato> dewey_: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-162.php
[04:20] <me2win> !wpa
[04:20] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:21] <cpk1> jarn_: if you read those links from ubotu you will learn why you always are using all your ram =)
[04:21] <jarn_> cpk1: I'm reading them right now.
[04:21] <ghetek> !kwlan
[04:21] <ubotu> kwlan: wpasupplicant frontend for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.8-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 143 kB, installed size 580 kB
[04:21] <jarn_> cpk1: Does Linux do something similar with processing power? Because with those same programs running I'm using about 70% of my processing speed.
[04:21] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: skip the rebooting step
[04:22] <ahlalo_elyon> So what am I supposed to do when User Management doesn't ask for my password when clicking on "Administrator Mode"?
[04:22] <sunnyhours4130> ohhhhhh..... gotcha. thanks
[04:22] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: and goto Procedure 1. ...
[04:22] <sunnyhours4130> clearer now
[04:22] <nixternal> ya, I just fixed that after looking at it, it was confusing
[04:22] <sunnyhours4130> heh
[04:22] <cpk1> not that I know of, thats windows that always needs to use the cpu at 100%
[04:22] <crackhead> nixternal: why were you using all your ram?
[04:23] <waspius> hello can someone help me access my home network?
[04:23] <Jucato> nixternal: saw my question earlier?
[04:23] <Rustin> hello. there's a package to nvidia fx 5200 in kubuntu default repositories? now, i can't use the opengl screensavers...
[04:23] <nixternal> crackhead: ey?
[04:23] <nixternal> Jucato: what question?
[04:24] <Jucato> nixternal: are there no more linux-restricted-modules in feisty? or does nvidia-glx have it as Depends now?
[04:24] <SolidSource> !nvidia > rustin
[04:24] <nixternal> Jucato: nvidia-glx depends on restricted
[04:24] <nixternal> always has
[04:24] <ahlalo_elyon> Could someone PLEASE tell me why on Earth KDE is no longer letting me make administrative changes in "System Settings???"  It doesn't even ask me for a password when I click on "Administrator Mode"
[04:25] <nixternal> ahlalo_elyon: when I have that issue, a reboot or a alt+ctrl+backspace sometimes fixes it
[04:25] <nixternal> that is an annoying issue I run across everyone once in a great while
[04:25] <Jucato> nixternal: only on linux-restricted-common it seems. and yet unless you install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r), the nvidia driver won't work
[04:25] <nixternal> really?
[04:25] <nixternal> well that is silly
[04:25] <ahlalo_elyon> grr...
[04:26] <Rustin> thanks, SolidSource
[04:26] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: Alright, I'll restart X... what a pain, though :)  Thank you.
[04:26] <SolidSource> Rustin: thats what we here for
[04:26] <nixternal> Jucato: no, it does install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:26] <ghetek> !csh
[04:26] <ubotu> csh: Shell with C-like syntax, standard login shell on BSD systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 20060413-1 (edgy), package size 235 kB, installed size 384 kB
[04:26] <ghetek> huh
[04:26] <Jucato> nixternal: based on lots of user questions/problems? it doesn't... unless that changed in feisty
[04:26] <nixternal> I just did 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' and it lists the restriced-modules for the kernel version and common
[04:27] <nixternal> Jucato: it has always installed it for me, I never installed restricted-modules before
[04:27] <nixternal> ahlalo_elyon: where at in MI are you?
[04:27] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: Well, restarting X didn't help... still can't make changes.
[04:27] <sunnyhours4130> d'oh....... i just plugged in my wired NIC and its not pulling IP/DNS and stuff off my router. what's the command to restart the network service in ubuntu?
[04:27] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: Grand Rapids area
[04:27] <jarn_> Is there any reason my CPU load would be routinely between 60 and 100% with only Konversation, Konqueror, Kopete, Amarok, KMail, Kcontrol, and Ksysguard open?
[04:27] <sunnyhours4130> (equivalent of service network restart in mandriva)
[04:27] <BluesKaj> ahlalo_elyon, it's refused me a few times as well ,but I've never been able figure out why ...same as failure to luanch files from the runbox , adept ,and synaptic the first time...beyond my understanding
[04:27] <jarn_> That seems a bit excessive to me.
[04:28] <nixternal> nice, I am in Chicago, but I am from Benton Harlem :)
[04:28] <Jucato> nixternal: looky here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[04:28] <adydas> sunnyhours4130: ifdown eth0
[04:28] <nixternal> Jucato: don't ever use that howto, it is god awful
[04:28] <adydas> sunnyhours4130: ifup eth0
[04:28] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: I've heard that reputation
[04:28] <nixternal> lol
[04:28] <nixternal> ahlalo_elyon: a reboot is my last idea on that issue
[04:28] <Jucato> nixternal: ok.. but I'm just telling you what I and a lot of other people have experienced...
[04:28] <ahlalo_elyon> nixternal: That just seems so extreme
[04:28] <nixternal> 6 days until freeze
[04:29] <Jucato> nixternal: I'll take it to the other room :)
[04:29] <cpk1> if I use aptitude to remove wine will it also remove ~/.wine?
[04:29] <Jucato> cpk1: no
[04:29] <nixternal> Jucato: I have a GF MX440 and have never followed those instructions
[04:29] <JeremiahGriffin> Remote admin.?
[04:29] <wifioh> what is a decent firefox theme that looks good on kde and looks equally good on gnome?
[04:29] <nixternal> bbiab
[04:29] <Jucato> nixternal: GF4 MX4000
[04:29] <cpk1> good, so I dont need to waste all this time backing up ~/.wine so I dont have to reinstall all my stuff?
[04:29] <BluesKaj> but Jucato is there any reason why adept etc won't launch the first time on tries to bring them up ?
[04:30] <Jucato> BluesKaj: um.. dunno....
[04:30] <Jucato> cpk1: yep.
[04:30] <dx11101> hello
[04:30] <adydas> wifioh: kde-look.org Highly reccomend it
[04:30] <BluesKaj> weird
[04:30] <ahlalo_elyon> Okay, rebooting to see if THAT will fix this stupid bug...
[04:30] <calcmandan> Just got a movie as a gift. Decided to make a backup copy of it so it can go into storage. I created an .iso of the flick but k3b won't let me burn it becasue it's 5.9gb. Is this because the movie was encrypted?
[04:30] <ahlalo_elyon> brb
[04:30] <wifioh> adydas: they have firefox themes?
[04:31] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: sometimes sudo or kdesu gets stuck and doesn't quite exit completely, you have to logout and sometimes restart to fix it right away...other wise, just have to wait and try again
[04:31] <adydas> not sure, worth a shot. it has superkaraba stuff, beryl stuff, normal themese all sorts
[04:31] <dx11101> when i try to install vmware-player i get errors
[04:31] <wifioh> adydas: also, both gnome and kde have grayish themes if it helps others see what kind of a look i'm going for
[04:31] <dx11101> it says module vmnet is not loaded
[04:32] <surgy> dx11101: what errors?
[04:32] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, makes no sense to me
[04:32] <dx11101> Virtual Machine Minotor            Failed
[04:32] <surgy> dx11101: can you pastebin that? http://www.pastebin.com
[04:32] <dx11101> Virtual ethernet             Failed
[04:32] <dx11101> yeah
[04:32] <dx11101> holdon
[04:33] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: yeah its just one of those bugs its hard to place, making it almost impossible to fix
[04:34] <Aiken> in feisty I am looking for a way of dealing with ntp being started before the network is up
[04:34] <dx11101> pastebin is taking forever
[04:34] <calcmandan> yeah it's been slow all day.
[04:34] <Omnifrog> lunar eclipse tomorrow night
[04:34] <calcmandan> took 10 minutes to paste 15 lines for me earlier.
[04:35] <SolidSource> dx11101: try paste.ubuntu-nl.org its usually pretty good
[04:35] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, has anyone tried to raise this issue with the dev guys for the next offering ...it becomes frustrating.
[04:35] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: I have no idea, haven't checked
[04:35] <Jucato> BluesKaj: are you on Dapper?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> edgy
[04:36] <Jucato> BluesKaj: I must say that I've only experienced that in Dapper mostly...
[04:36] <dx11101> here i have another way
[04:36] <dx11101> http://users.adelphia.net/~chrisremer/irc.txt
[04:36] <BluesKaj> I have a couple of older kernels in my grubmenu tho :)
[04:36] <SolidSource> Jucato: it happens kind of often in edgy if you are trying to work faster than the machine
[04:36] <Jucato> hm...
[04:36] <Jucato> must be a kdesu thing...
[04:37] <calcmandan> Just got a movie as a gift. Decided to make a backup copy of it so it can go into storage. I created an .iso of the flick but k3b won't let me burn it becasue it's 5.9gb. Is this because the movie was encrypted?
[04:37] <surgy> dx11101: i have no idea :( sorry jucato might have one though
[04:37] <Jucato> O.o
[04:38] <SolidSource> Jucato: I've also hit a similar issue with using kdesu in konsole....it just doesn't always work, but when I do sudo, it works fine
[04:38] <jerry> hi
[04:39] <sunnyhours4130> okay nixternal done with those preliminary steps. i'm rebooting. i'll let you know how it goes   =)
[04:39] <dx11101> vmware is not a priority right now but i will need to get it to work eventually
[04:39] <surgy> calcmandan: has the copy write protection crap i bet
[04:39] <jarn_> Is there any reason my CPU load would be routinely between 60 and 100% with only Konversation, Konqueror, Kopete, Amarok, KMail, Kcontrol, and Ksysguard open? That seems a bit excessive to me.
[04:39] <sunnyhours4130> what cpu do you have?
[04:39] <cpk1> once sudo stopped working
[04:39] <adydas> p 133mhz
[04:39] <adydas> :P
[04:39] <cpk1> and I had to actually do an unice power off
[04:39] <calcmandan> surgy: i was thinking the same thing. do you know a way around it?
[04:39] <dx11101> it is worth noting that i tried to install vmware through adept and adept froze when i got to the ULA and i hate to kill it
[04:39] <surgy> jarn_: not to me, what processor and how much ram what type of harddrive?
[04:39] <jarn_> 2.0 GHz AMD Athlon 64 3200+
[04:39] <dx11101> had*
[04:40] <crackhead> how do you install a .tar.bz2 file?
[04:40] <surgy> calcmandan: i dont but peqbot might
[04:40] <jarn_> 1 gb ram
[04:40] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: no dice on that. x didn't start when i rebooted
[04:40] <SolidSource> cpk1: yeah,,,had that same thing happen to me too
[04:40] <adydas> !bz2 | crackhead
[04:40] <ubotu> crackhead: Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[04:40] <jarn_> 7200 rpm harddrive, the partition that linux is using is 40gb
[04:40] <SolidSource> !compile > crackhead
[04:40] <jarn_> surgy: So it's not a weak processor.
[04:40] <calcmandan> peqbot: hey there. i was told you may have an answer to my question.
[04:41] <nixternal> sunnyhours4130: let me give it a shot with my card
[04:41] <surgy> jarn_: im running almost the same rig with half the ram, and im running almost the same programs cpu bounces to 35% on activity so i dont know
[04:41] <[Relic] > was looking on kde-look.org and found QtCurve, but it is a deb package. how could I install it if I wanted to since I can't find that package in the repositories
[04:41] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: did you install linux-restricted-modules-386?
[04:41] <calcmandan> peqbot: I was attempting to make a backup copy of a dvd i received as a gift and the ISO came out at 5.9gb. Is this becasue it is encrypted?
[04:41] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: presuming you are booting into the 386 kernel?
[04:42] <Minataku> calcmandan: Probably dual layer
[04:42] <surgy> !dvd | calcmandan
[04:42] <ubotu> calcmandan: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[04:42] <Jucato> [Relic] : "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb" or right-click in Konqueror -> Kubuntu Package Menu -> Install Package
[04:42] <Minataku> Single layer is some 4.something GB
[04:42] <surgy> calcmandan: thats how you use peqbot :)
[04:42] <BluesKaj> K9Copy to the rescue !
[04:42] <Minataku> Dual layer is double that
[04:42] <jarn_> surgy: Okay. It surprises me, because I'm at about 10% CPU usage in Windows with windows equivalents of those programs open.
[04:43] <adydas> How do you know if your computer / sata drives can handle 3.2gb/s as apposed to the 1.5gb/s
[04:43] <surgy> jarn_: you have problems that go over my head a ways, maybe ask one of these gurus to look through your error log?
[04:44] <[Relic] > Jucato, thanks
[04:44] <sunnyhours4130> i only have one kernel that i boot into, i don't think in installed that package. i'll try that   =) Jucato
[04:44] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: please do try. and if it works, please tell nixternal :)
[04:44] <sunnyhours4130> hahaha
[04:44] <Minataku> jarn_: Use something like top to check the processes, it's possible that something isn't running correctly and is just chewing up processor time instead of working
[04:45] <calcmandan> i used k9copy to make the iso file
[04:45] <sunnyhours4130> or ps aux
[04:45] <nixternal> those are feisty directions as well, so I don't know about <= Edgy
[04:45] <calcmandan> the other day, i did the same thing with star wars and it worked just fine.
[04:45] <Minataku> calcmandan: Like I said, perhaps it's a dual layer DVD
[04:45] <Minataku> They hold twice as much as a single layer DVD
[04:46] <calcmandan> heck, i didn't know movies came in dual layer discs.
[04:46] <calcmandan> yeah
[04:46] <jarn_> Minataku: Which column in top is CPU usage?
[04:46] <sunnyhours4130> nixternal: i found a typo. i am typing these things in manually and i typoed the direction for the modprobe options file. i fixed and restarted. hang on.....
[04:46] <Minataku> jarn_: ... %CPU
[04:46] <jarn_> Minataku: Oh yeah. :P
[04:46] <sunnyhours4130> typo that i made, not you
[04:46] <dx11101> linux pwns
[04:47] <Minataku> lol
[04:47] <armadill0> I've got this strange issue when I try to ALT+TAB between windows in KDE.  I'm using nvidia twinview for dual LCD, and I've noticed that my alt+tab "list" only shows the windows for that LCD, not the other (and visa versa)  How can I get my alt+tab to list all windows on the desktop?  thanks... its drivin me nuts
[04:47] <SolidSource> calcmandan: they have been Dual Layer for as long as I care to remember, though you can compress to single layer at loss of quality
[04:47] <Minataku> Ugh... the redneck neighbors are out on their deck being really loud and annoying
[04:47] <calcmandan> SolidSource: i had no idea that was the case.
[04:47] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: okay, all out of options on that howto. time to try that package   =)
[04:47] <jarn_> Minataku: Woah, top is showing way less total cpu usage than the other program I was using.
[04:47] <jarn_> Minataku: Sometimes it's the same but sometimes it's 20% off.
[04:48] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: the typo fix didn't work?
[04:48] <Minataku> jarn_: TBH... top sucks
[04:48] <calcmandan> SolidSource: well, then, i must go out and buy a dual layer burner then.
[04:48] <Minataku> It gives a very rough picture of what's going on
[04:48] <jarn_> Minataku: Well, the other one could be wrong too.
[04:48] <Minataku> jarn_: No, top is pretty lousy
[04:48] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: damn, 89 megs. we'll be here for a while before we find out if it works     =\
[04:48] <surgy> can someone tell me a good place to start for cutomizeing my windows manager?
[04:48] <dx11101> i have a question about linux and dual core, does SMP work out of the box in Kubuntu?
[04:48] <Minataku> It's a "shotgun diagnostic"
[04:48] <SolidSource> calcmandan: good luck trying to find discs cheaper than $3-10 per
[04:48] <jarn_> Minataku: Okay. :P
[04:48] <Minataku> dx11101: Yeah
[04:49] <dx11101> when i do a top
[04:49] <dx11101> i dont see two cpu's
[04:49] <Minataku> dx11101: Try "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[04:49] <sunnyhours4130> yeah you won't
[04:49] <SolidSource> calcmandan: dual layer is extremely expensive right now compared to 3-15 cents for single layer
[04:49] <calcmandan> thanks for the help
[04:49] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: nope, typo fix didn't work   =(
[04:49] <Minataku> np
[04:50] <sunnyhours4130> okay, package installed. restarting   =)
[04:50] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: keeping my fingers crossed...
[04:50] <dx11101> can 32 bit linux handle 4GB of RAM?
[04:50] <sunnyhours4130> mine too
[04:50] <Minataku> dx11101: HIGHMEM, yeah
[04:50] <SolidSource> yes
[04:50] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: toes as well...
[04:50] <calcmandan> hey guys, thanks again for your help
[04:50] <surgy> jucato: can you point me in the right direction to learn how to seriously customize my windows manager?
[04:50] <calcmandan> now i have a reason to get a dual layer burner.
[04:50] <calcmandan> ciao folks
[04:50] <Jucato> surgy: customize in what way?
[04:50] <surgy> calcmandan:  not a prob man
[04:51] <calcmandan> :)
[04:51] <Minataku> calcmandan: Starting up a trunk-based DVD shop?
[04:51] <SolidSource> dx11101: RAM isn't OS dependent...necessarily
[04:51] <Minataku> j/k
[04:51] <Minataku> lol
[04:51] <me2win> whats the command to see general system info? RAM, Processor, etc
[04:51] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: didn't work   =*(
[04:51] <calcmandan> Minataku: no bro, just backing up my colelction. they get scratched.
[04:51] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: aw... :(
[04:51] <SolidSource> Minataku: ssshh don't give him ideas
[04:51] <Minataku> calcmandan: Take better care of them
[04:51] <calcmandan> i would but would get caught knowing my luck ;)
[04:51] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: what does "uname -r" tell you?
[04:51] <Minataku> I've never had a game or DVD get a scratch
[04:51] <calcmandan> ciao
[04:51] <surgy> Jucato: like change the behavior the look basicly everything,  for example if i wanted to customize the windows manager to have three large buttons only, one for game one for office one for internet browser
[04:51] <Minataku> So far, anyway
[04:51] <Minataku> lol
[04:52] <Jucato> sunnyhours4130: try this: sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[04:52] <dx11101> dvd::rip is pretty nice
[04:52] <dx11101> shhhhhhhhhh
[04:52] <Jucato> !changethemes | surgy
[04:52] <ubotu> surgy: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[04:52] <SolidSource> note to all: its always better to backup your discs and use the copies versus the original
[04:52] <sunnyhours4130> bahhhh     just unplugged it from the router. time for me to give up for the night. gotta wake up early for work
[04:52] <Jucato> surgy: although I can't understand your example
[04:52] <Jucato> surgy: where would these buttons be?
[04:52] <Minataku> SolidSource: Not when such is not possible due to various voodoo techniques
[04:52] <surgy> jucato: have you seen the linux for car computers?
[04:52] <sunnyhours4130> uname -r showed 2.6.17-11-386
[04:53] <dx11101> yeah it always better to make backups of netfilx dvd's then scratch netfilx's DVD's
[04:53] <SolidSource> minataky: anything is bypassable
[04:53] <Jucato> surgy: nope
[04:53] <Minataku> dx11101: rofl
[04:53] <AlexKChen> Is there anyone know...In Amarok, how can i configure the font used in the sidebar?
[04:53] <surgy> jucato: the buttons whould comprise the entire gui large and in the middle
[04:53] <Jucato> surgy: might want to take a look into Superkaramba. chances are you might have to make your own superkaramba theme. but not really sure since I don't know linux for car computers
[04:53] <Minataku> SolidSource: Yeah, but I don't feel like cracking open my 360, stripping it down, desoldering a surface mount chip, reflashing the firmware, and so on
[04:54] <sunnyhours4130> Jucato: nixternal: thanks for your help. i'll be back tomorrow (maybe) to try again
[04:55] <Minataku> I gotta take a leak then take my pills
[04:55] <Minataku> lol
[04:55] <SolidSource> minataky: oh come on...I saw a program (though for windows only that I saw) that could read and copy console game discs, though never tried it
[04:55] <Minataku> SolidSource: Mind spelling my name right?
[04:55] <SolidSource> minataky: so I don't know how well it works
[04:55] <surgy> Jucato: http://indashpc.org/new/images/car2linux_music_small.jpg   something like that, thats the windows manager for the linux2car system
[04:55] <Minataku> Once is a typo, twice is not paying attention, three times is disrespect
[04:55] <SolidSource> Minataku: lol sorry
[04:55] <Minataku> lol
[04:56] <Minataku> s'ok, just started getting annoying
[04:56] <Minataku> X3
[04:56] <surgy> Jucato: or this http://www.r-kraft.com/dsc03847.jpg
[04:56] <SolidSource> not my fault the buttons are right next to each other...plus I'm watching a movie
[04:56] <dx11101> when will microsoft port DirectX to linux?
[04:56] <Minataku> dx11101: We have OpenGL
[04:56] <Minataku> Anyway, bbiab
[04:57] <SolidSource> dx11101: that will never happen
[04:57] <dx11101> i know i was just messing
[04:57] <SolidSource> dx11101: someone will just make an alternative
[04:57] <dx11101> i have been tinkering with Cedega and im pretty impressed
[04:58] <djk11> sorry bat the italian channel ?
[04:58] <surgy> dx11101: question is: "when will microsoft forget about DX and go to pure OGL?"*
[04:58] <BluesKaj> gamerz ....bah
[04:58] <me2win> WoW ftw
[04:58] <dx11101> Well, cross platform engines are almost mainstream in the console gaming world but hasnt really made it past Microsoft
[04:58] <SolidSource> dx11101: Cedega is ok, it has some issues, but I prefer Crossover linux...much more capabilities
[04:58] <djk11> sorry but the italian channel ?
[04:58] <SolidSource> !it
[04:58] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:59] <ForgeAus> cxOffice has a nice interface
[04:59] <BluesKaj> !it
[04:59] <dx11101> Actually i read somewhere that OpenGL support in Vista is pretty Gimped
[04:59] <SolidSource> haha blueskaj ...I win and ubotu don't like you
[04:59] <BluesKaj> err...getting late , authoring dvd s
[04:59] <dx11101> OpenGL as to pass through the DirectX API or something like that in Vista
[05:00] <BluesKaj> ubotu , why don't you like geezers
[05:00] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: what DVDs?
[05:00] <dx11101> there is no Pure OpenGL
[05:00] <ForgeAus> and when is there going to be a wine-like program to execute macintosh binaries in Linux and/or Windows?
[05:00] <ForgeAus> (instead of virtualizers)
[05:00] <BluesKaj> for my grandkids , Casper the friendly ghost
[05:00] <dx11101> I dont see why it would be too hard, OSX is BSD Based
[05:01] <crackhead> how do you create a mount point?
[05:01] <ForgeAus> dx, mac are extremely protective (to the point of paranoia?) about their Aqua interface
[05:01] <SolidSource> Casper is evil...he steals my socks
[05:01] <surgy> AWSOME, i just figured out what my 6th mouse button does :) it pastes :) i love linux
[05:01] <dx11101> Mac is just as propriatary is Micro$soft
[05:01] <dx11101> look at the IPOD
[05:02] <SolidSource> stupid crappy Ipod
[05:02] <dx11101> no FLAC support
[05:02] <BluesKaj> techie freak eh surgy...mouse button mania
[05:02] <ForgeAus> they ordered a company stardock to remove their Mac looking theme (which come out before the actual MacOSX of the same visual design) ....
[05:02] <surgy> BluesKaj: herm? i didnt understand?
[05:02] <ForgeAus> yet tehy allow their underlying OS (darwin) to be got for free
[05:02] <SolidSource> MPIO and Archos are straight up UMS thus linux supported
[05:02] <BluesKaj> 6 mouse buttons ?
[05:02] <surgy> hey can we get osx for free?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> surgy illegally yes
[05:03] <surgy> BluesKaj: yes, makes blending way easier :)
[05:03] <ForgeAus> for an intel x86 based computer theres something called OSX86
[05:03] <crackhead> people, how do you create a mount point?
[05:03] <ForgeAus> mostly for VMware pirated
[05:03] <surgy> ForgeAus: linksies? and dont they have different hardware? is my pc compatible?
[05:03] <SolidSource> !mount
[05:03] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[05:03] <ForgeAus> surgy, I think you need SSE3 ... but otherwise yes
[05:04] <ForgeAus> as for link... there is none
[05:04] <ForgeAus> its P2P
[05:04] <surgy> forgeaus: sse3 ? its required?
[05:04] <crackhead> i.e. a mount point for a mount -t ..iso.. command?
[05:04] <ForgeAus> or some software that does the sse3 thing for you??
[05:04] <surgy> forgeaus: oh you said illegaly..... my weak mind interpretted that as legally lol forget it then :)
[05:05] <SolidSource> whats a good firewall -- NOT firestarter, guarddog, or iptables?
[05:05] <ForgeAus> I tried it once... but my download was corrupted
[05:05] <surgy> solidsource: for what? your on linux :) j/k
[05:05] <SolidSource> no my turtle...  (H)
[05:05] <surgy> ForgeAus: im gonna have to look into it, i have never played with osx, i hear they are superior in multimedia
[05:06] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, a router
[05:06] <dx11101> OSX still costs money
[05:06] <SolidSource> crackhead: here is the example for mounting ISO = mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test
[05:06] <BluesKaj> alactel dsl modem , SolidSource ?
[05:06] <crackhead> i do that, and it says error, must create mount point
[05:06] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: got router, want another line of defense
[05:07] <BluesKaj> you're ok then
[05:07] <BluesKaj> just don't open any ports below 1024
[05:07] <dx11101> you would think hackers would just move on if they encountered a linux system
[05:07] <dx11101> i mean theres 9999999 more windows boxes to chose from
[05:07] <SolidSource> crackhead: you need to create a folder and then replace "/mnt/test" with that directory
[05:07] <crackhead> ah
[05:09] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: yeah, but I do too much messing around...need more defense
[05:09] <dx11101> if you want to be 100% secure
[05:09] <ForgeAus> surgy, in general I know they did have great multimedia, especially in the earlier quicktime days, I don't know about now...
[05:09] <dx11101> use Guarddog to ban all WAN traffic :D
[05:10] <ForgeAus> Desktop Publishing has always been Mac's strong point hasn't it?
[05:10] <surgy> ForgeAus: meh sounds retarded, no ofense just not for me, my next leap will be pure unix, any suggestion? and the bennifits of such a leap?
[05:10] <SolidSource> dx11101: yeah right :-( and I already said no guard dog
[05:10] <ForgeAus> surgy, you mean a flavour of BSD?
[05:11] <ForgeAus> I toyed a bit with PC-BSD in VMware, I liked it for the most part...
[05:11] <surgy> forgeaus: once again your talking a language i dont know, i have heard of bsd but nothing else
[05:11] <dx11101> on your firewall, set a fake ip on DMZ and most imcoming packets fly into oblivion
[05:11] <ForgeAus> BSD is a flavour of linux
[05:11] <ForgeAus> erm UNIX sorry
[05:11] <SolidSource> BSD uses a weird packaging system
[05:11] <ForgeAus> yeah pbi
[05:11] <surgy> ForgeAus: i have heard bsd is for the leet hacksuar only
[05:12] <ForgeAus> its called portage I think... somehow related to Gentoo???
[05:12] <ForgeAus> surgy, then you heard wrong
[05:12] <surgy> ?
[05:12] <dx11101> BSD is if your bored of linux
[05:12] <surgy> link?
[05:12] <surgy> dx11101: i have tweaked.... and tweaked and broken, and fixed, and ready to let her spread her wings :)
[05:13] <SolidSource> me and my friend put FreeBSD on his server....we felt like we never used linux before
[05:13] <ForgeAus> either that or it was some warez-spreding kids bragging about how they had a *nix OS and could use it when everyone else at those days had a win3.11-win98 box!
[05:14] <ForgeAus> made them FEEL like a l33+ h4X0r!
[05:14] <surgy> lol
[05:14] <surgy> forgeaus: whould you suggest bsd for me?
[05:14] <dx11101> uhhh
[05:14] <surgy> is it graphicle at all or completely bash?
[05:15] <ForgeAus> I like PC-BSD but I think NetBSD perhaps would be the go... theres several options
[05:15] <ForgeAus> PC-BSD has a nice KDE theme
[05:15] <dx11101> dont go BSD unless you are planning to hack the planet
[05:15] <ForgeAus> its very much like Kubuntu in some ways... I found the icons were even spiffier
[05:15] <dx11101> linux can do everything else
[05:15] <surgy> im looking at freebsd
[05:15] <BluesKaj> theres a live BSD cd - 2.0 Feesbie
[05:15] <ForgeAus> sure FreeBSD seems ok I don't know much about that particular one
[05:15] <SolidSource> HACK THE PLANET!!! - hackers...one awesome movie
[05:15] <ForgeAus> but its related to PCBSD and NetBSD so go for it if you want
[05:15] <BluesKaj> but the xfce desktop sucks
[05:16] <Minataku> Linux is a Unix clone, BSD is a Unix derivative, Solaris is a Unix
[05:16] <SolidSource> Solaris is fun
[05:16] <Minataku> As for BSD, the biggest one I know of is FreeBSD
[05:16] <BluesKaj> yup , i'm aware
[05:16] <ForgeAus> Solaris has problems with KDE at the moment
[05:16] <Minataku> Works on pretty much every PC
[05:16] <BluesKaj> Solaris ?
[05:16] <ForgeAus> (theres at least one LiveCD around with a debug build of KDE and apparently its slow)
[05:16] <Minataku> NetBSD is for anything and everything that isn't a PC
[05:16] <dx11101> i think one problem with BSD is that their is very little 3rd party development and not as much happening as their is in linux
[05:17] <Minataku> When you're using Solaris, you use CDE unless it's OpenSolaris
[05:17] <surgy> what about DX support though?
[05:17] <dx11101> Direct X is microsoft only
[05:17] <ForgeAus> Minataku does open solaris have CDE too?
[05:17] <Minataku> No
[05:17] <Minataku> Unfortunately not
[05:17] <dx11101> becuase BillGates is a poopy head
[05:17] <surgy> dx11101: i know but linux has cedega.... whats bsd have?
[05:17] <ForgeAus> CDE is basically a Motif desktop environment right?
[05:17] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Bingo
[05:17] <dx11101> BSD is has HackDega
[05:17] <ForgeAus> BSD has wine/cedega too
[05:18] <dx11101> i really dont know much about BSD
[05:18] <Minataku> My absolute favorite GUI toolkit where looks are concerned
[05:18] <Minataku> Good old Motif <3
[05:18] <surgy> but i whould have to buy a new cedega for that os too?
[05:18] <dx11101> except that is for the E-lite
[05:18] <Minataku> FreeBSD is actually rather easy
[05:18] <ForgeAus> in gerneral *most* liunx binaries should run in BSD too
[05:18] <ForgeAus> unless theres a distro specific dependancy missing or something
[05:18] <Minataku> ForgeAus: FreeBSD has Linux support via a 2.4 kernel
[05:18] <surgy> ForgeAus: my cedega package is .deb format
[05:19] <dx11101> my personal opinion for you is that considering using BSD is a mistake
[05:19] <dx11101> because youl have to start from scratch all over again
[05:19] <Minataku> Like I said, FreeBSD actually rivals *buntu in ease of use
[05:19] <surgy> ahh
[05:19] <ForgeAus> DX its a choice
[05:19] <BluesKaj> BSD is ok , but it has hardware recognition probs
[05:19] <Minataku> There's a bump or two but they're easily flattened
[05:19] <ForgeAus> Minataki I agree
[05:19] <ForgeAus> once its been installed
[05:20] <Minataku> What the hell is it with people getting my name wrong tonight?
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (I don't know the installation process I just used it in VMware -preinstalled virtual disk
[05:20] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Installation is a bit tricky, I forgot about that part
[05:20] <dx11101> Yeah but BSD doesnt have 200000 packages like Elite Linux does
[05:20] <ForgeAus> hehe I can't type... well I can but badly sometimes
[05:20] <Minataku> Though I always used the complex install
[05:20] <BluesKaj> Minataku, they can't find the tabkey
[05:20] <Minataku> I don't know what the easy install is like
[05:20] <ForgeAus> what filesystem does it use ext3?
[05:20] <Minataku> No
[05:21] <Minataku> UFS
[05:21] <Minataku> Or is it FFS
[05:21] <ForgeAus> of course! I should have guessed
[05:21] <ForgeAus> most likely ufs
[05:21] <Minataku> I think it's FFS which is a type of UFS
[05:21] <Minataku> Unix Fast File System
[05:21] <surgy> well im gonna go get icy hot rubed all over me and hit the hay, my shoulders feal like cinder blocks and my legs feal like they are made of iron god night all
[05:21] <ForgeAus> ok havn't heard of that one until now
[05:21] <BluesKaj> nite surgy
[05:22] <SolidSource> crackhead: about mounting ISOs....probably should have just gave you this link: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_mount.2Funmount_Image_.28ISO.29_files_without_burning
[05:22] <ForgeAus> theres SFF and SFS or something for AmigaOX file systems! I wonder if they're related somehow to FFS
[05:22] <ForgeAus> grr OS
[05:22] <Minataku> Yeah, it's UFS with Berkeley extensions
[05:22] <ForgeAus> AmigaOS
[05:22] <Minataku> Referred to as "Fast Filesystem" because it's fast
[05:22] <Minataku> lol
[05:22] <Minataku> No, that FFS is different
[05:23] <ForgeAus> Aros uses it anyway
[05:23] <Bearcat> hello folks.  I'm having trouble getting a dial up connection working.   I've always used DSL on linux but a client needs this. Right now if i try to connect with the regular user it tells me that the remote system is required to authenticate itself. Logging in with root works but i can't go anywhere. I'd love some assistance
[05:23] <SolidSource> what FS do people here use? been debating whether to switch to Reiser4 though might wait for ext4
[05:23] <ForgeAus> personally I think the Aros Developers should move towards making it a DE for Linux
[05:23] <Minataku> AROS isn't AmigaOS whatsoever
[05:23] <BluesKaj> i friend sent me a textfile with instructiond for the fee bsd insatll and that was 2yrs ago before I had much experince with anything other than windows ...rather a daunting expreience
[05:23] <ForgeAus> thats true
[05:24] <dx11101> EXT3 For teh win
[05:24] <ForgeAus> but it is an Amiga-Like Operating system
[05:24] <ForgeAus> (or can be used as one)
[05:24] <Minataku> It just looks like it and uses emulation to run AmigaOS binaries
[05:24] <ForgeAus> it can also be ran as an app (hosted mode)
[05:24] <dx11101> XFS cant be used as a boot partition i think
[05:24] <Minataku> I'd rather use an entire Amiga emulator
[05:24] <Minataku> Much cleaner and better, really
[05:25] <me2win> !beryl
[05:25] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:25] <SolidSource> what FS do people here use? been debating whether to switch to Reiser4 though might wait for ext4
[05:25] <ForgeAus> its AmigaOS API compatible
[05:25] <dx11101> wait for EXT4
[05:25] <dx11101> better safe then fast
[05:25] <Minataku> Once again, I'd much rather use an Amiga VM instead
[05:25] <ForgeAus> ext4?
[05:25] <Bearcat> SolidSource: Rieser3. R4 isn't near ready for a production system
[05:26] <ForgeAus> Mina, theres UAE for that
[05:26] <Minataku> Use ext2 for /boot, ext3 for / and reiser3 or ext3 for other storage drives
[05:26] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Duh
[05:27] <ForgeAus> unlike Aros UAE actually runs Amiga binaries too
[05:27] <ForgeAus> (but if I were you I'd get Amikit... much better)
[05:27] <dx11101> ext4 just reduces file fragmentation
[05:27] <dx11101> but is fully ext3 backwards compatible
[05:27] <dx11101> i htink,...
[05:27] <ForgeAus> which means its fully EXT2 backwards compatible
[05:27] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Again, duh. That's why I'd much rather use a VM instead of a rather lame OS replacement
[05:28] <Bearcat> i have disabled the "auth" line in /etc/ppp/options which allows me to connect as root, but the regular user account doesnt' like that
[05:28] <osiris> chown: `nobody:nobody': invalid group
[05:28] <osiris>   how would i fix this ?
[05:28] <Minataku> Bearcat: Reenable it now
[05:28] <Minataku> You're an idiot for disabling it
[05:28] <BluesKaj> will some one tell me what the advantages are to having a differnt partition for the file system than the OS ?
[05:28] <dx11101> which means i can use my tandy1000 to play counterstrike source
[05:29] <osiris> BluesKaj, so when the os needs to be reinstalled, the data aint lost
[05:29] <Bearcat> Minataku: alright (what a kind phrasing by the way0
[05:29] <Minataku> Bearcat: I firmly believe that when people do something incredibly stupid, they need that point driven home
[05:30] <BluesKaj> osiris, is it too late to make the change , can i make the partitons ?
[05:30] <Minataku> This way they listen to you a lot more readily than they would have if you were nice about it
[05:30] <osiris> BluesKaj, it is easiest to do it at instal
[05:30] <BluesKaj> bummer
[05:30] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: you can resize your current partition, though thats not really recommended
[05:30] <osiris> it may be possible, but you may loose data
[05:31] <osiris> dangerous stuff
[05:31] <BluesKaj> i have 100G partion for Kubuntu and theres 70 or so Gigs open
[05:32] <dx11101> isnt it pretty safe to use a knoppix live cd and gparted?
[05:32] <dx11101> to resize?
[05:32] <SolidSource> resizing can also risk destroying the current partition...thus forcing you to reinstall anyway
[05:32] <Minataku> Bearcat: My apologies for the blunt response, but what you did was similar to opening a hatch on a submarine... while it's underwater
[05:32] <Bearcat> Minataku: i firmly disagree.  This system has nothing of value onit. it is an empty installation and turning of auth does not pose a significant threat.
[05:32] <Bearcat> Minataku: thank you.
[05:32] <osiris> dx11101, i have done it with ntfs partitions and a kubuntu disk, but its a risky move
[05:32] <SolidSource> anyone use Yoper?
[05:32] <Minataku> Bearcat: Systems don't have to be of any value to be excellent zombies
[05:33] <osiris> yes its possible.  yes you may render the data garbage
[05:33] <Lord_Dicranius> test
[05:33] <Minataku> It's not all about what's on it, it's also about what can be done with it
[05:33] <dx11101> beacuse i have resized ext3 partitions without problems
[05:33] <dx11101> that i know about
[05:33] <dx11101> and i use bootit all the time to resize anything else
[05:33] <nixternal> Bearcat: auth or noauth, removing auth doesn't harm you
[05:34] <Dr_willis> Iuse the gparted live cd. :)
[05:34] <nixternal> Minataku: thanks for appologizing for being rather blunt
[05:34] <BluesKaj> i have a live cd copy of GParted ...I used it to setup a partition formy Kubuntu install
[05:34] <nixternal> it isn't like "auth" against your ssytem it is a silly outdated dial-up/ppp protocol that has been used since the 60's :)
[05:34] <ForgeAus> why don't you just use qtparted on the Kubuntu live CD?
[05:34] <Bearcat> Minataku: true
[05:35] <Minataku> nixternal: People who use dialup have their systems connected to a modem
[05:35] <Bearcat> nixternal: hmm
[05:35] <dx11101> first of all, any live cd function in kubuntu is cheers to the knoppix project
[05:35] <Minataku> Some people have it connected anyway
[05:35] <BluesKaj> I'm more familiar with GParted and qparted isn't as stable
[05:35] <Minataku> Removing that auth means that there's a hole wide open
[05:35] <nixternal> Minataku: yes, I know that. But auth and noauth are pretty much handshaking between modem a and modem b
[05:35] <ForgeAus> fair enough
[05:36] <xenophile7x7> im about to do some hardware upgrades and reload my computer. is there a quick and simple way to backup my files and configs on kubuntu before i wipe my drives?
[05:36] <Minataku> You know what, you want to do something stupid? Fine. It's your computer, just don't come crying to me later
[05:36] <nixternal> removing the auth doesn't do squat, it just won't auth with modem b
[05:36] <ForgeAus> I also found Gparted was quicker
[05:36] <nixternal> Minataku: pleast take your atitude elsewhere
[05:36] <ForgeAus> (Qtparted kept me waiting scanning disks for information)
[05:36] <dx11101> FDISK > ALL
[05:37] <dx11101> someone needs to invent a way to convert NTFS into EXT3 before my head explodes
[05:38] <BluesKaj> so what's the procedure for making the OS partiton and the file sytem partition ?
[05:38] <Dr_willis> Ive heard that partitionmagic can do that.. but im not paying for PM.
[05:38] <ForgeAus> wierd
[05:38] <Minataku> nixternal: Please take your Windows-style security habits elsewhere
[05:38] <ForgeAus> I thought fsutils would do that
[05:38] <Minataku> Next thing you know you'll be telling people not to set a password
[05:39] <BluesKaj> PM sucks and is dangerous
[05:39] <Jucato> Minataku: calm down.
[05:39] <dx11101> screw partition magic
[05:39] <Jucato> anger issues coming up again
[05:39] <dx11101> BOOTIT FOR EVAR
[05:39] <dx11101> and gparted too LD
[05:39] <dx11101> :D
[05:39] <ForgeAus> convertfs device from_fs_type to_fs_type ???
[05:39] <ForgeAus> doesn't work for NTFS?
[05:40] <Minataku> NTFS is both closed source AND boobytrapped
[05:40] <xenophile7x7> boobytrapped?
[05:40] <Minataku> MS tosses a bunch of bombs in it every tuesday
[05:40] <Minataku> That's why NTFS write support is so dangerous
[05:40] <ForgeAus> I know its closed source
[05:40] <ForgeAus> but boobytrapped?
[05:40] <dx11101> Windows is boobytrapped to cause random BSOD
[05:40] <ForgeAus> it has authentication in certain places
[05:41] <ForgeAus> but I doubt its boobytrapped
[05:41] <Bearcat> ok, i now see "by default the remote system is required to authenticate itself (because this system has a default route to the internet) but i couldn't find any suituble secret (password)  for it to use to do so."  Also, i see that "couldn't find interface ppp0: no such device" ....
[05:41] <dx11101> on the other hand WINFS went supernova before boobytrapping to be deployed
[05:41] <Bearcat> most web searches tell me to add "noauth" as an argument (hence why i did it), but kubuntu complains that requires root privilages
[05:41] <Minataku> Bearcat: Contact the owner of the remote system and ask for the authentication information if possible
[05:41] <ForgeAus> lol yeah
[05:42] <ForgeAus> WinFS didn't make it to Vista
[05:42] <ForgeAus> it was planned
[05:42] <ForgeAus> its been in the works since like win95 or before
[05:42] <ForgeAus> sounded to me basically like an SQLized Filesystem!
[05:42] <Minataku> Vista is just a $400 XP service pack, except this one is completely useless
[05:42] <dx11101> Thats why theres service packs
[05:42] <ForgeAus> for quicker searching, etc..
[05:42] <dx11101> so you can get the money before you add the features
[05:43] <Bearcat> Minataku: well, i know that the user name and password is correct, becaue when i do it as root with "noauth" htey tell me that i am logged in (and i am) but i can't go anywhere. pinging anything just gives me a haninging cursor
[05:43] <ForgeAus> ie select all files where filename = "kde*.*" :)
[05:43] <nixternal> Minataku: sorry, haven't used Windows in years. auth with ppp isn't what you think it is
[05:44] <ForgeAus> if Vista has a service pack its pretty lame if WinFS doesn't make it to that...
[05:45] <ForgeAus> in fact I wouldn't be suprised if when WinFS works they'll make a service pack just because of it
[05:45] <dx11101> ACtually the vista service pack will just be a bunch of hotfixes in a valuepack
[05:45] <ForgeAus> but for now they have a Longhorn/Vista Server to worry about....
[05:45] <Minataku> nixternal: It seems to me to be similar to SSH fingerprinting
[05:46] <ForgeAus> what your going to need to pay for service packs too now?
[05:46] <dx11101> nah
[05:46] <dx11101> but service packs are just hotfixes
[05:46] <SolidSource> one problem if WinFS comes in service pack....to change FS, you have to reinstall OS
[05:46] <nixternal> Minataku: it isn't. some modems don't like the auth command sent to them, so in fact in some instances you can set it to noauth in order to connect
[05:46] <Jucato> btw, guys, you are getting a bit offtopic (re: Vista)
[05:46] <BluesKaj> SolidSource, what's the fsutils prog i'm looking for ?
[05:46] <nixternal> back in the day that is how one would "illegally" connect to AOL dial-up modems/servers
[05:47] <Minataku> nixternal: In that case, I apologize to both of you... sorry
[05:47] <ForgeAus> Solid? maybe it can be added as an NTFS layer of some sort?
[05:47] <SolidSource> BluesKaj: umm I stopped paying attention a while ago, so don't know
[05:47] <nixternal> Minataku: thanks!
[05:47] <Minataku> nixternal: It just seemed like an egregious breach of security
[05:47] <ForgeAus> or have a converter like fat32 did
[05:47] <dx11101> I dont think anyone that uses Windows Vista will be smart enough to care what file system they are using
[05:47] <Jucato> good Minataku. I see you're at least getting control of your anger. that's good. :)
[05:47] <Minataku> lol
[05:47] <Minataku> I was wrong, and what was right was interesting
[05:47] <nixternal> Minataku: it does, but auth or noauth doesn't control security against your machine
[05:47] <Minataku> XD
[05:47] <SolidSource> ForgeAus: WinFS is supposed to be completely redigned.. so generally no
[05:47] <Bearcat> yeah every page that references this problem, says to disable ath wiht "noauth" however kubuntu complains that i don't have the right to.
[05:48] <ForgeAus> but I'm sure there will be at least SOME metadata overhead
[05:48] <Minataku> If the explanation is interesting then it helps me calm down XD
[05:48] <BluesKaj> jfsutils is prolly journal file system, right ?
[05:48] <ForgeAus> Solid, thats possible too...
[05:48] <Bearcat> i think i'm gonna diable all security just to watch Minataku squirm :P
[05:48] <Minataku> Mmmmm... Tristar Tetris Amiga Cracktro
[05:48] <Bearcat> ^diable^disable
[05:48] <ForgeAus> but microsoft will make a method to convert it and maintain your OS too...
[05:48] <Minataku> One of my all-time favorites
[05:48] <ForgeAus> it just won't be as nice as a native WinFS installation
[05:49] <ForgeAus> (due to likely missing metadata)
[05:49] <dx11101> WinFS is supposed to automatically backup appended changes to files and index searches like Google Desktop
[05:49] <Jucato> Minataku: cut down on the coffee :P
[05:49] <Minataku> WinFS is gonna be a disaster
[05:49] <Minataku> Jucato: Don't drink coffee
[05:49] <Minataku> Wouldn't affect me anyway
[05:49] <ForgeAus> dx yeah thats due to its SQL/Database-like features
[05:49] <Minataku> I'm immune to caffiene
[05:49] <Jucato> Minataku: ok, on the caffeine then :)
[05:49] <Jucato> ha! :)
[05:50] <the-erm> I'm seeing a really odd command running in the background.  I'm using htop to see what's running.  I notice a command -:0 That's it, no path or anything.  I googled "-:0" with no results that were even related.  Any one know what this is?
[05:50] <ForgeAus> the searching will probably be done via some kinda SQL Select-like syntax somewhere along the line
[05:50] <nixternal> Bearcat: what are you using to connect with the modem? KPPP? WvDial? ppp w/ pon/poff?
[05:50] <Minataku> the-erm: It's a switch
[05:50] <the-erm> Minataku: for what?
[05:50] <nixternal> s/ppp/pppconfig
[05:50] <Minataku> Probably telling some program to run on the X display :0
[05:50] <dx11101> I bet WinFS will work in linux before it works in windows
[05:50] <ForgeAus> since essentially a filesystem is a base for all your Data... I guess it qualifies as a Data-Base
[05:50] <dx11101> at the rate this is going
[05:50] <ForgeAus> rofl dx :)
[05:51] <Minataku> Jucato: I could down a pot of coffee and fall asleep right after
[05:51] <the-erm> Minataku: no ... that's it that's the command, but it would make sense to be x display 0.
[05:51] <Bearcat> um..wow
[05:51] <Minataku> Though in that case I'd probably piss myself in my sleep
[05:51] <Minataku> the-erm: Hm
[05:51] <daft_> hey all, how can i check what version of a display driver im currently running from the console?
[05:51] <nixternal> cat "Windows/Vista/anything not Kubuntu" >> #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:51] <ForgeAus> your prolly right
[05:51] <Minataku> the-erm: "ps -af"
[05:51] <ForgeAus> they probably got the idea from unix's FFS anyway... from what Mina mentioned earlier
[05:51] <ForgeAus> nix good point
[05:52] <Jucato> #kubuntu is a channel for Kubuntu-related support questions. While offtopic discussions happen once in a while, it's highly advised to take them to #kubuntu-offtopic . Let's keep this channel clean, and try to liven up that other channel :D Hooray for offtopics and #kubuntu-offtopic !!!
[05:52] <jarn_> How do you make apt-get install packages thati t downloaded previously but didn't install?
[05:52] <Minataku> The other channel sucks... it's a black hole
[05:52] <the-erm> Minataku: that's a pretty sure list sure you didn't mean ps -Af ?
[05:52] <hendaus> friends
[05:52] <dx11101> nobody says anything in off-topic
[05:52] <Minataku> Just redirect to /dev/null instead
[05:52] <the-erm> root      5822  5812  0 Feb16 ?        00:00:00 -:0 // Here's the line.
[05:52] <Minataku> You'll get more of a response there than in #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <Jucato> Minataku: that's the problem. because people don't take their offtopic discussions there... it's a vicious cycle
[05:52] <Minataku> the-erm: Bizarro
[05:53] <ForgeAus> theres probably some psychology to that
[05:53] <hendaus> files .DAT , how can i convert them to mpeg?
[05:53] <the-erm> Ya odd.
[05:53] <Minataku> the-erm: Try "whereis -:0"
[05:53] <Minataku> Or rather "whereis -- -:0"
[05:53] <Minataku> You'll probably need the "--" for "End of options"
[05:53] <Minataku> Filenames starting with a dash are a bi... female dog
[05:54] <the-erm> Minataku: I did whereis -:0 whereis -- -:0 and also whereis "-:0"
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: .dat can be anything
[05:54] <the-erm> All seem to make whereis think I'm trying to send a flag.
[05:54] <Jucato> -:0 is owned by root, usually the X server process
[05:54] <Minataku> the-erm: Crap
[05:54] <daft_> anyone? I need to know whether im running the proprietary ATI drivers or the stock ones - how can I check it?
[05:54] <ForgeAus> hehe interesting that every directory of ZipLinux put them in
[05:54] <ForgeAus> erm sorry ZipSlack
[05:54] <Minataku> Jucato: It should say "X" or something
[05:54] <Minataku> Let me check mine
[05:54] <Jucato> in KSysGuard it does...
[05:54] <Minataku> Huh
[05:54] <Minataku> It is here too
[05:55] <Minataku> Well, slap my ass and call me Sally
[05:55] <Minataku> XD
[05:55] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  i want to burn a cd for vcd player and the film is .DAT
[05:55] <Minataku> Yeah, the X server process is "-:0"
[05:55] <the-erm> ok
[05:55] <Minataku> root      3838  3663  0  1047  2240   0 Feb13 ?        Ss     0:00  \_ -:0
[05:55] <Jucato> Minataku: hi Sally :D
[05:55] <Minataku> Child to /usr/bin/xdm
[05:55] <Minataku> Jucato: lol, you forgot the first part
[05:55] <Minataku> XD
[05:56] <the-erm> Well that's good ... no root kit here.
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: .dat can be anything, ,dat tells me nothing, anything can be a .dat there are over a few hundred apps that can slap a .dat tag on the name of a file
[05:56] <Jucato> Minataku: thought you wouldn't notice :P
[05:56] <Minataku> lol
[05:56] <Minataku> hendaus: Type this "file -zrk <filename>.dat"
[05:57] <Red_Tear> hmm also der Insall macht schon probleme^^
[05:57] <hendaus> Minataku, i download a movie film .DAT,how can i burn it to vcd?
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: .dat is not a media type, you have to tell us what type of file it is first
[05:57] <Minataku> hendaus: I want to see what it is first
[05:58] <Minataku> hendaus: Type this "file -zrk <filename>.dat"
[05:58] <larrydavid> anyone? I need to know whether im running the proprietary ATI drivers or the stock ones - how can I check it?
[05:58] <Minataku> Then paste it here if it's one or two lines, pastebin it if it's three or more
[05:58] <Minataku> larrydavid: If your computer runs like crap, it's the binary ATI drivers
[05:59] <Minataku> *rimshot*
[05:59] <BluesKaj> larrydavid, in the terminal type'fglrxinfo'
[05:59] <larrydavid> thankyou
[05:59] <Minataku> the-erm: Actually, I meant "ps -AF f"
[05:59] <larrydavid> i need to recompile the binary drivers after installing a new kernel yeah?
[06:00] <the-erm> ok
[06:00] <Minataku> larrydavid: That's the problem with binaries
[06:00] <Minataku> You can't compile them
[06:00] <Minataku> Or change them
[06:00] <Minataku> Or anything
[06:00] <larrydavid> oh right, i meant proprietary sorry
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: I will give you a similar problem to answer so you know what Im getting at, Go find a friend called Mr Smith, you know his name is smith so you must know out of the millions of other called Smith who he is, same goes with your .dat file, its a generic term not a type of file
[06:00] <Minataku> the-erm: That's "All processes", "Full info" and "Pretty tree structure"
[06:01] <hendaus> ah ok
[06:01] <hendaus> AVSEQ01.DAT: ERROR: cannot open `AVSEQ01.DAT' (No such file or directory)
[06:02] <BluesKaj> larrydavid, you can download the open source ones from ATI , but look at this page : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[06:02] <Jucato> looks like downloaded/ripped straight from a VCD :)
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: you need to be in the same directory as the file
[06:02] <Minataku> hendaus: Yeah
[06:02] <Minataku> Or specify the absolute path
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> Jucato: could be an image
[06:04] <Jucato> Linux_Galore: true...
[06:04] <Linux_Galore> Ive seen iso images put on the web as .dat
[06:05] <Minataku> Ah, VCD... the pirate's favorite
[06:05] <ForgeAus> Mina btw I don't think Kubuntu has an xdm
[06:05] <BluesKaj> it might work if he just changes the dat to iso ...works for nrg files
[06:05] <Minataku> ForgeAus: It doesn't
[06:05] <ForgeAus> it has Kdm instead
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: most of the stuff I see is xvid these days
[06:05] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: VCD is not a codec
[06:06] <Minataku> Stands for Video CD
[06:06] <Minataku> Kinda like DVD except an older MPEG flavor and on CDs instead
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: yeah but I rarely see vcd images on the web
[06:06] <larrydavid> ok, so when im rebuilding the ATI drivers for my new kernel (its just a generic 2.6.17-11 but with PHC Voltage control patched), its saying: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.17-11-fdd-generic when I do "sudo module-assistant prepare" - how can I specify that it should just use the generic linux headers?
[06:06] <larrydavid> sorry for the long sentence
[06:06] <Linux_Galore> Minataku: mainly xvid.avi  files
[06:06] <SolidSource> screw VCD...just get a DVD burner and just put things on DVDs
[06:06] <Dr_willis> better then 100 short ones. :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> SolidSource,  i agree there.
[06:07] <Minataku> It's not your place to tell people what to do
[06:07] <Minataku> Perhaps that's not an option for him
[06:07] <Minataku> If he wants to use VCD then that's his right
[06:07] <Minataku> This is Linux, not Windows
[06:07] <the-erm> I own a dvd writer ... never used it.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> windows would just force you to reboot.. :)
[06:08] <Minataku> Windows would demand you use some retarded format and refuse to allow any other options
[06:08] <hendaus> Minataku,  AVSEQ01.DAT: RIFF (little-endian) data, wrapped MPEG-1 (CDXA)
[06:09] <the-erm> Minataku: you must be referring to wma, and fat32
[06:09] <Minataku> It'd probably burn each frame to the CD as a picture then require 50000 of them and you use them like a flipbook
[06:10] <the-erm> Actually I think it would make you purchase the codec for mpeg before it would let you burn a dvd.
[06:10] <the-erm> The key word being purchase.
[06:10] <Minataku> hendaus: I think that might be VCD friendly already
[06:11] <Minataku> hendaus: TBH, I've only authored a VCD, like, three times
[06:11] <Minataku> And that was several years ago
[06:11] <Minataku> lol
[06:11] <hendaus> ok i open K3b and cant open the .DAT
[06:11] <Minataku> It's not an image, it's I think a video file
[06:11] <Minataku> Try opening it in mplayer or something
[06:12] <hendaus> yes
[06:12] <hendaus> it works
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: k3 doesnt open file
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: its a burner not a media player
[06:13] <the-erm> mplayer should give you an idea of what kind of video file it is.  It usually spits out some information when you use it from the shell.
[06:13] <hendaus> now i open k3b , i click on new video cd project and cannot open it but when i click on creat a new data cd it opens the file
[06:13] <BluesKaj> if mplayer can play it maybe it can be transcoded authored to dvd with tovid
[06:14] <Minataku> hendaus: Hm... perhaps then it ISN'T already in a VCD-friendly format
[06:14] <Minataku> I forget what VCD uses
[06:14] <the-erm> mpeg
[06:14] <Minataku> BluesKaj: He wants to make a VCD, not a DVD
[06:15] <Minataku> the-erm: Yes, but what flavor
[06:15] <Minataku> DVDs use MPEG as well
[06:15] <the-erm> vcd IIRC is mostly about fps and WxH.
[06:16] <hendaus> ok how can i convert it to mpeg format,which program?
[06:16] <the-erm> In other words, it uses the same mpeg as a DVD, but it's smaller.
[06:16] <the-erm> Or worse quality should I say.
[06:16] <BluesKaj> tovid will make vcds as well
[06:16] <Minataku> !tovid | hendaus
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <Minataku> <.<
[06:17] <BluesKaj> but the bitrate is fixed so it may not fit on one vcd if the transcode makes a file larger tham 700M
[06:17] <Minataku> SolidSource: Sorry again, BTW, I just felt your attack on VCD was unfounded
[06:18] <Minataku> BluesKaj: Surely there's a better program then
[06:18] <BluesKaj> #tovid
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: in k3b  right click while mouse over on any of the button in k3b ie  Copy Cd  then Add -> New Video CD Project
[06:18] <Minataku> Anything that should be a user-defined option should NEVER be hardwired
[06:19] <Minataku> That's poor programming practice
[06:19] <Minataku> wb, Jucato
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> s/button/buttons/
[06:20] <Jucato> thanks
[06:20] <Minataku> np
[06:22] <Minataku> I got the rest of the samples I ordered from Microchip today, a dsPIC, a PIC10 and two types of Serial EEPROMs
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: change the file name to  .mpg
[06:22] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  i open the k3b, then i right click on the file
[06:22] <Minataku> Ugh... the redneck neighbors are outside making a load of noise... it's 12:21AM... I should call the police
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: this is why you always download none vague file formats
[06:23] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  ok but please explain me what should i do on k3b?
[06:24] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: That's not always an option
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: I cant tell you much at all because the file format you have downloaded is pretty vague, basically its some type of mpeg1 encoded file with some weird wrapper made by some undefined program
[06:25] <Minataku> Linux_Galore: Pirate all the way
[06:25] <Minataku> lol
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> if you going to download a file ffs make sure its in a comon sense format
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> common*
[06:26] <Minataku> Again, that's not always an option
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> if your not sure get a avi
[06:26] <hendaus> Linux_Galore,  ok but why it doesnot with k3b?
[06:26] <Minataku> hendaus: k3b doesn't know what the file is
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: because k3b cant figure out the wrapper around the mpeg1 data
[06:27] <Minataku> It's in a rather weird format
[06:27] <hendaus> ok how could i convert it to .mpeg/
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: first what is the wrapper
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> I have a feeling its some camera quicktime wrapper crap
[06:28] <hendaus> mpeg1
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: mpeg1 is the encoder format but not the container the data has been put in, but like you can put text inside a pdf
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> bit*
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: I have a feeling its a quicktime file of some sort
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> hendaus: the pdf if the container and the text is the data,  in your case the data is mpeg1  but the container is god knows what
[06:31] <ubuntu> hi
[06:31] <Linux_Galore> is*
[06:31] <ubuntu> are any HUMANS in this ROOM
[06:31] <ubuntu> ???????????
[06:32] <ubuntu> please i need help?
[06:32] <Minataku> Yes, but they don't respond to TYPING like THIS
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> ubuntu: <Bzzzt> ((((((((DING)))) please state you question
[06:32] <ubuntu> what do u mean
[06:32] <Minataku> Nor do they appreciate your waste of precious punctuation marks
[06:32] <ubuntu> i am new here i am sorry
[06:32] <Minataku> Those question marks are expensive
[06:32] <Dr_willis> ask a actual question. :)
[06:32] <Minataku> lol
[06:32] <Minataku> I'm just messing with you, ubuntu
[06:32] <Minataku> Go ahead and ask your question