[03:13] <Unit193> minasota: I don't know.  Kind of want to know what the catch is, and certainly want to know where one begins and the other ends.  Does it matter if you have linux firefox or windows?  Do you basically have to keep updates on two systems, etc?
[03:14] <wrst> Unit193: from what little I read it is just bash and tools
[03:16] <Unit193> wrst: As I mentioned in another channel, I was surprised Easter to find out that my uncle switched to Ubuntu and rather likes it, wished he didn't have to dual-boot but a few things only work in Windows.
[03:17] <wrst> That's sweet
[03:18] <wrst> I may out the new release on my laptop, but my archninstall is still clucking along so probably shouldn't mess with it
[03:28] <Unit193> Hah, understandable.


[07:28] <D_Creation> hello?
[22:41] <jynxedforlife> Can anyone point me to a tutorial for creating swing components at runtime?


[00:20] <WeatherGod> anybody know French?
[00:21] <WeatherGod> bug 483867 has an odd paragraph that google translate isn't getting anything useful out of
[00:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483867 in ubuntu "UBUNTU  9.10 AROBASE ET CLAVIER" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483867
[00:30] <yofel> mr_steve: when asking a reporter for additional information (as you did in bug 483821) , please set the bug status to 'Incomplete' and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status for more information
[00:30] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483821
[00:34] <mr_steve> Woops, I usually do, guess I missed it on that one
[00:46] <WeatherGod> Any idea what we should tell "Dr. Karl Schueler" about the lack of "high quality" CAD programs for Ubuntu?
[00:47] <WeatherGod> bug 483913
[00:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483913 in ubuntu "no high quality CAD packages ?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483913
[00:50] <WeatherGod> perhaps I could ask him what sort of CAD softwares has he tried yet
[00:51] <WeatherGod> try to get a sense of what his definition is for "Good"
[00:51] <WeatherGod> but, still I think this should be moved to a question, not a bug
[00:59] <yofel> bug 480304 - nice bug title, does anybody speak... portuguese I guess?
[00:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480304 in ubuntu "suauauuaua" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480304
[01:01] <micahg> yofel: I keep this handy: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
[01:02] <WeatherGod> I just tried
[01:02] <WeatherGod> google isn't liking it
[01:03] <WeatherGod> the best I  get is with spanish
[01:03] <hggdh> yofel: I speak Portuguse
[01:03] <hggdh> it's Spanish ;-)
[01:04] <yofel> yeah, google translate gives the sanest translation with spanish... I still can't make any sense ofit
[01:04] <WeatherGod> "wave messaging programs"?
[01:04] <hggdh> I need some programmes like IM and downloaders and the Motorola I6 software
[01:04] <micahg> LANG=es_CO.UTF-8
[01:05] <WeatherGod> ah
[01:05] <hggdh> Colombian Spanish
[01:05] <hggdh> now, this really is not a bug...
[01:05] <yofel> micahg: ah, didn't notice, good point :)
[01:05] <hggdh> transform in a question
[01:06] <micahg> hggdh: were you in the bug workflow session?
[01:06] <hggdh> micahg: yes, but it was not really dealing with triaging as much as how the desktop people can profit more
[01:06] <micahg> THis one: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-bug-management
[01:06] <hggdh> next session (I think on Wed) should be more on triaging
[01:07] <hggdh> yes
[01:07] <hggdh> BTW -- I could not wave back cuz I had my laptop turned off
[01:07] <micahg> :)
[01:08] <micahg> so people saw me?
[01:08] <hggdh> and your point will be carried on this this next meeting
[01:08] <micahg> ah, ok
[01:08] <micahg> same spec?
[01:08] <hggdh> not sure, let me check
[01:09] <micahg> I was going to talk to pitti
[01:10] <hggdh> I *think* it is the desktop bug Workflow on Wed 1200-1255 but there is no blueprint
[01:10] <micahg> ah, so, should I talk to pitti, or wait?
[01:11] <hggdh> talk to pitti. Peer pressure helps ;-)
[01:11] <dtchen_> WeatherGod: FYI, #483855 is *very* unlikely to be an alsa-driver/linux bug.
[01:11] <dtchen_> WeatherGod: I would triage it to affect totem.
[01:12] <WeatherGod> that the mms one?
[01:12] <dtchen_> yes.
[01:12] <micahg> hggdh: will you be at the adopt an upstream session tomorrow?
[01:13] <hggdh> yes
[01:13] <WeatherGod> yeah, I haven't moved it yet
[01:13] <WeatherGod> I wanted to get more information to describe the issue
[01:13] <WeatherGod> where should I put it in the meantime?
[01:39] <dtchen_> bug 483932 makes me very sad.
[01:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483932 in ubuntu "sound is broken in Ubuntu 9.10 KK" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483932
[01:40] <dtchen_> WeatherGod: was that addressed to me? If so, WRT what?
[01:40] <WeatherGod> dtchen_, you mean my last statement?
[01:41] <dtchen_> 20:13 < WeatherGod> where should I put it in the meantime?
[01:41] <WeatherGod> I was asking where you would like me to place that mms bug report in the meantime while I wait for more information?
[01:41] <dtchen_> WeatherGod: please triage it to affect totem instead of alsa-driver
[01:41] <WeatherGod> ok
[01:41] <dtchen_> WeatherGod: thanks.
[01:42] <WeatherGod> dtchen_, I don't know why that report makes you sad...
[01:42] <WeatherGod> I am lol-ing here
[01:44] <dtchen_> the bug report is incomprehensible, and the reporter appears to have added what he feels are the appropriate projects
[01:44] <WeatherGod> oh, he added those projects?
[01:44] <dtchen_> yes
[01:44] <dtchen_> it's very unlikely to be related to any of those
[01:44] <mr_steve> personally, 483932 makes me giggle
[01:45] <WeatherGod> come on dan... your drivers are making farting noises on my computer
[01:45] <WeatherGod> think of the children!
[01:45] <WeatherGod> :-P
[01:45] <dtchen_> I don't care about children, only kittens!
[01:45] <mr_steve> I would never possibly be able to explain to the people around me why I'm laughing all the sudden
[01:45] <WeatherGod> kittens are the spawn of the devil
[01:46] <WeatherGod> I don't imagine you could
[01:47] <mr_steve> wrt to bug #483888 the OR says ubuntuone died when he reset his router.. Should that INVALID, with a note to report it if it happens any other time? On the other hand, it probably shouldn't actually crash if the connection dies..
[01:47] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483888 in ubuntuone-client "I was told to report a bug - dunno why - i reset the router and thats when it happened" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483888
[01:47] <WeatherGod> honestly, who thought that ubuntu one was ready?
[01:48] <micahg> wfm
[01:48] <WeatherGod> ?
[01:48] <micahg> works for me
[01:48] <WeatherGod> heh
[01:48] <micahg> mr_steve: if it crashed, that is a bug
[01:49] <mr_steve> That's kinda the direction I was leaning, once I thought about it a bit
[01:49] <micahg> mr_steve: might want to make the title more useful and check for dupes
[01:50] <mr_steve> hmm... "UbuntuOne crashes when internet connection dies?" I bet I can find a dupe or two
[01:53] <micahg> mr_steve: bug 458393
[01:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 458393 in ubuntuone-client "BadTransition: SYS_SERVER_RESCAN_DONE" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458393
[01:54] <micahg> upstream is in LP :)
[01:54] <micahg> hggdh: do you know about upstream + Ubuntu tasks where LP is used for both?
[01:55] <mr_steve> micahg, perfect, thanks!
[01:57] <WeatherGod> what sort of platform is lpia?
[01:57] <hggdh> micahg: you mean when upstream *is* Ubuntu?
[01:57] <micahg> hggdh: no
[01:57] <hggdh> oh
[01:57] <hggdh> I see
[01:57] <micahg> WeatherGod: Low Power intel Architecture iirc
[01:57] <micahg> hggdh: where LP is upstream for the upstream project
[01:57] <hggdh> micahg: if I remember correctly, Bugzilla is now based on LP/bazaar
[01:57] <WeatherGod> ah, ok, never heard of it
[01:57] <micahg> like Ubuntu one
[01:59] <hggdh> micahg: but I am not sure they are opening bugs in LP
[01:59] <micahg> who
[01:59] <hggdh> bugzilla
[01:59] <micahg> hggdh: not talking about bugzilla
[01:59] <micahg> where did bugzilla come from?
[02:00] <hggdh> upstream +UBuntu
[02:00] <micahg> upstream for Ubuntu One is LP
[02:00] <micahg> was wondering if we have tasks for upstream in LP and Ubuntu in the same bug
[02:01] <micahg> or we treat it like bmo or bgo and link
[02:01] <hggdh> I think it is still done. Apport is another one
[02:02] <micahg> yes, so for a bug in one of those packages with a bug upstream, do we dupe the upstream and add an Ubuntu task?
[02:02] <micahg> or add a link to the upstream bug (in LP) as an upstream task
[02:03] <hggdh> as far as I can understand we would just add the upstream task, with no bug linked (it is already there)
[02:04] <micahg> hggdh: what if the bug is open in the upstream project already?
[02:04] <hggdh> oh
[02:04] <hggdh> then, I guess, add an Ubuntu task to document the issue on an Ubuntu release
[02:04] <micahg> like that bug mr_steve jsut had
[02:04] <micahg> ok, that's what I was wondering...
[02:05] <hggdh> not sure, thou
[02:06] <hggdh> this has the potential to get confusing
[02:07] <micahg> right
[02:07] <hggdh> or nominate for release?
[02:07] <micahg> hggdh: should I add it to meeting notes for dec?
[02:07] <hggdh> I should use UDS to discuss this
[02:07] <hggdh> yes, certainly
[02:07] <micahg> ok, how about in the Adopt an Upstream session? :)
[02:07] <hggdh> heh. No better place, I guess
[02:09] <hggdh> noted
[02:12] <WeatherGod> there is something that came up earlier that mr_steve and I noticed
[02:12] <hggdh> yes?
[02:12] <WeatherGod> we came across a few reports today of some odd freezes (mr_steve himself is experiencing it).
[02:12] <WeatherGod> he is on karmic-proposed
[02:13] <hggdh> kernel, gnome, or what type of freeze?
[02:13] <WeatherGod> given that this behavior all of the sudden started happening, it makes me suspect that an update caused it
[02:13] <WeatherGod> it is weird...
[02:14] <WeatherGod> essentially, the desktop stops responding to anything except in the focused window
[02:14] <hggdh> can you sysreq-r, and go to a terminal?
[02:14] <WeatherGod> nope
[02:15] <WeatherGod> sorry, misread that... is sysreq-r the same as doing Ctrl-Alt-F1 stuff?
[02:16] <hggdh> sort of -- it releases the keyboard from X, *then* you can alt-ctlr-f1
[02:16] <WeatherGod> hmm, never heard of it
[02:16] <hggdh> a.k.a. magic key
[02:17] <WeatherGod> kinda wondered what that button does
[02:17] <WeatherGod> here is one of the more sparsly described reports: bug 483821
[02:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483821
[02:18] <hggdh> some people have it on different key combinations (on mine is Alt-PrntScrn for the sysreq, then the key for the command)
[02:18] <WeatherGod> how can I pull up the log for earlier today?
[02:18] <WeatherGod> I know I mentioned it around 4:30 my time
[02:19] <hggdh> !log
[02:19] <ubot4> Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/
[02:19] <Jeruvy> WeatherGod: system logs and use the calendar to select the day, you may need to revert to the compressed archives if the day you want isn't in the current file
[02:21] <WeatherGod> ok, one of the more descriptive ones: bug 483832
[02:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483832 in xorg "AMD64x2, Nvidia, Gnome and KDE, no virtual ttys, and shell in konsole or gnome terminal dies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483832
[02:24] <WeatherGod> and then mr_steve's description:
 WeatherGod, I ran into that last night, typing in Pidgin. It looked to me like a compiz hang, no windows would respond to mouse events, but I could still type in whatever window had the focus <mr_steve> But I never did find out what happened. I tried to restart compiz, and everything just went all downhill from there
[02:26] <WeatherGod> thanks for help finding the logs
[02:27] <hggdh> WeatherGod: I do not know. Possible video, or (generic) X, or kernel. I would start with X/video -- the logs attached to this last bug do not show kernel oops
[02:27] <WeatherGod> but, my concern is that 3 people have reported something very similar within a very small window of time
[02:28] <WeatherGod> what if it was something in Karmic Proposed?
[02:28] <hggdh> it might be. Do all three have the same video card?
[02:28] <WeatherGod> wouldn't it be prudent to have packages hold off from being moved to accepted until this is figured out?
[02:28] <hggdh> in other words, what are similar on the three>
[02:28] <hggdh> ?
[02:29] <WeatherGod> no clue, you would have to ask mr_steve for his setup
[02:29] <hggdh> well... *which* packages would you hold off?
[02:29] <WeatherGod> well, looking at proposed, most of the packages are translations
[02:29] <hggdh> we do not know what is causing it, it is difficult to decide what to hold off
[02:30] <WeatherGod> the only one that wasn't translations in the past day was libindicate
[02:30] <hggdh> which should not cause a freeze on X
[02:30] <WeatherGod> I know, but I would hate to see this end up in the general community
[02:30] <WeatherGod> but the fix dealt with some dereferencing of DBus objects
[02:31] <hggdh> I agree, but -- and an important 'but': we are seeing the consequences, *not* the causes
[02:31] <WeatherGod> right
[02:31] <WeatherGod> it could just be a driver issue if they all have the same video
[02:31] <WeatherGod> card
[02:32] <hggdh> yes, same card, same model, same revision
[02:32] <WeatherGod> call it a hunch.... spidey sense
[02:32] <hggdh> :-)
[02:32] <hggdh> hunches are good. They just need to be validated
[02:33] <mr_steve> Ooh, what are we asking mr_steve?
[02:33] <WeatherGod> anyway, I thought it would be prudent to raise my concerns
[02:33] <WeatherGod> what is your video card?
[02:33] <hggdh> what are we asking *all* three?
[02:33] <mr_steve> Intel i945GM
[02:33] <WeatherGod> damn
[02:34] <WeatherGod> the more detailed report is an Nvidia
[02:34] <WeatherGod> Acer Aspire
[02:34] <hggdh> :-)
[02:34] <hggdh> so video driver seems to be off
[02:34] <mr_steve> Heh, I'm an Acer Aspire too. Must be a different series
[02:34] <hggdh> still, X is in
[02:35] <WeatherGod> which Acer Aspire, bug 483832 is 7520
[02:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483832 in xorg "AMD64x2, Nvidia, Gnome and KDE, no virtual ttys, and shell in konsole or gnome terminal dies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483832
[02:35] <mr_steve> 3680 here, the cheap one
[02:37] <WeatherGod> and  the other guy mentioned he uses a laptop, but doesn't say which model
[02:37] <mr_steve> What's interesting about 483832 is that when I experienced the similar problem from uh.. 483831, I could still switch VTs
[02:37] <WeatherGod> although, oddly enough, he said "...and can tell you that happens just every day I use the laptop"
[02:38] <mr_steve> There was no effect on the console at all, only X
[02:39] <mr_steve> err I meant bug #483821
[02:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483821 in ubuntu "text blocks desktop " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483821
[02:40] <WeatherGod> mr_steve, does this seem to happen randomly?
[02:40] <mr_steve> Also there's a very specific symptom mentioned in 483821, that of the cursor being stuck as the text selection cursor, that isn't in 483832
[02:40] <mr_steve> So far, it's only happened to me once
[02:41] <mr_steve> I absolutely hate random bugs...
[02:41] <WeatherGod> me too
[02:42] <WeatherGod> and based on what is said in 483832, it is noted that it happens for both Kubuntu and Ubuntu
[02:42] <WeatherGod> so Gnome and KDE are out
[02:43] <WeatherGod> that same guy also mentioned that the Konsole did not respond to keystrokes
[02:44] <WeatherGod> hmm, the 483821 report says that he could not close the window, but the other report said that he could, I think
[02:44] <mr_steve> Yeah, that's the weird part. In my case, the focused window still got keystrokes, at least until I killed compiz to restart it. Then nothing much worked at all. F12 would still pull down my guake terminal, but I couldn't type in it
[02:46] <WeatherGod> hmm, maybe they are different...
[02:46] <WeatherGod> still, it is odd
[02:46] <WeatherGod> one thing is that the two reports have noted that this happens  frequently
[02:46] <WeatherGod> while it only happened once for mr_steve
[02:47] <mr_steve> I'm about 70% certain that they're two different issues.
[02:47] <WeatherGod> "my usual approaches do not work here"
[02:48] <WeatherGod> between who?
[02:48] <WeatherGod> who would you say you are most similar to?
[02:49] <mr_steve> I still think 483821 is the same as what happened to me, and 483832 is a seperate issue
[02:49] <mr_steve> I just remembered some other weirdness, too
[02:50] <WeatherGod> oh?
[02:50] <mr_steve> I had installed kubuntu-desktop earlier that day to play with KDE, and I set kdm as display manager. On reboot, I got corrupt graphics, including the virtual consoles
[02:50] <mr_steve> Had to chroot in from the livecd and switch back to gdm
[02:52] <WeatherGod> hmmm, so you had both desktop environments available, which the other person also stated
[02:52] <WeatherGod> but we don't know about the 483821 report
[02:52] <mr_steve> And I have noticed there's plenty of bizarre interactions when having both installed
[02:53] <WeatherGod> never had an issue with my Fedora machines
[02:53] <WeatherGod> then again, I use Gnome almost exclusively
[02:54] <mr_steve> It's mostly minor things, like the policykit auth dialogs, and PGP passphrase entry. They're system-wide, not desktop-dependent. So you get KDE dialogs in Gnome, or vice-versa
[02:56] <mr_steve> If I keep thinking too hard about these bugs my head might explode
[02:56] <WeatherGod> heh, know the feeling
[02:57] <mr_steve> Heh, I just noticed a bug filed against yelp that actually does seem to be a yelp bug. That's refreshing.
[02:57] <WeatherGod> well, maybe we will get more info from the other guy
[02:57] <mr_steve> bug #483926
[02:57] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483926 in yelp "not able to open ssh_config man page in yelp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483926
[02:57] <WeatherGod> haha
[02:57] <mr_steve> Unfortunately I can't reproduce it.
[02:58] <mr_steve> Also, I'm intrigued by bug titles that make me have to search Wikipedia: bug #483929
[02:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 483929 in firefox-3.5 "Restore Session doesn't follow Fitts Law" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/483929
[02:58] <WeatherGod> Fitts Law?
[02:59] <micahg> yeah, it's that you want to position things so that it's easiest to click the common choice
[03:00] <mr_steve> Learn something new every day. Anyone remember old mouse utilities that could position the cursor over the default button on a dialog?
[03:00] <micahg> mr_steve: are you triaging that bug?
[03:01] <mr_steve> Not at this time, I just happened to glance at it
[03:01] <micahg> ok :)
[03:01] <WeatherGod> I can't reproduce the yelp one either in 9.04
[03:02] <micahg> WeatherGod: well, if it works in jaunty, but not in karmic, it should be tagged regression-release
[03:03] <mr_steve> micahg, I'm on karmic and can't reproduce it either
[03:03] <micahg> oh, well that's a different story :)
[03:04] <mr_steve> I'm 100% sure the OR has already made sure the manpage is viewable in 'man' itself... but maybe it should be asked anyway?
[03:05] <mr_steve> Kind of a "Are you sure it's plugged in?" question
[03:05] <micahg> never assume
[03:06] <WeatherGod> yeah... kinda going into that mode with my "epic" bug report
[03:07] <WeatherGod> Doris, the 60 year old
[03:08] <WeatherGod> she finally realized she had to take the cap off the usb thumb drive before pluging it into the computer
[03:10] <Jeruvy> lol
[03:10] <Jeruvy> in fairness some caps are not really obvious to the uninitiated
[03:11] <WeatherGod> true, but it has been quite an... interesting... bug report
[03:11] <PorkSoda> Any body have a clue if/what bug may prevent vlc controls from showing? When I open vlc the video plays but I get no controls or right click context menu.
[03:11] <Jeruvy> PorkSoda: is this during playback?
[03:12] <WeatherGod> I have decided to keep it contained in that report, rather than splitting it to multiple reports
[03:12] <PorkSoda> Jeruvy, Any time
[03:12] <PorkSoda> Fullscrenn or not
[03:12] <Jeruvy> PorkSoda: hmm not sorry, during playbck the controls float and I've lost them a few times myself, but my only other guess may be theme related..?
[03:14] <PorkSoda> Yea, problem is, I can't get in to vlc's options or anything. No menu pops up when I right click inside the video etc
[03:14] <PorkSoda> I haven't changed vlc's theme "ever"
[03:15] <PorkSoda> I tried a reinstall of vlc even though that hasnt really helped me much in the past. But I think I should try to remove everything again, xine included :/
[03:17] <Jeruvy> PorkSoda: I'm not sure, but there should be a way from the command line to access or set the options you need.  Not something I've done a lot of so I'd refer to the manual on it.
[06:37] <fcuk112> hi, i am a member of bugsquad but am unable to set bugs to TRIAGED status in LP - why is this?
[06:39] <mac_v> fcuk112: bugsquad cant do that
[06:40] <fcuk112> mac_v: what membership do i need?  strange, i thought that was what bugsquad was for...
[06:48] <micahg> fcuk112: you need to be a member of bug-control
[06:51] <fcuk112> micahg: alrighty, thanks - just applied for it.
[10:45] <yofel> can somebody a from 9.04 upgraded karmic confirm bug 480147?
[10:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 480147 in ubuntu "/etc/fstab mentions vol_id but that has been replaced by blkid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/480147
[10:46] <yofel> I only have fresh installs here
[11:25] <yofel> *sigh*
[11:27] <yofel> I can't remember who it was, but somebody said in the UDS session about bug workflow yesterday (as a joke) to put up a big sign on LP when roporting bugs that the bug title was choosing for you by apport and that it's a good one, so don't change it!
[11:28] <yofel> now when I see something like bug 482999 I think that might actually be a good idea -.-
[11:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 482999 in linux "achitecture" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/482999
[11:28] <yofel> (that's a kernel-oops report)
[13:28] <LimCore> how to report a bug?  via web page.
[13:30] <LimCore> also, how to report a bug against the lanuchpad web page
[13:33] <LimCore> aaaah, here it is!  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect    Bad idea.
[14:45] <bddebian> Boo
[15:45] <mr_steve> Is there any special reason Bug #403408 can't be marked triaged? Preferably High-importance? It's pretty severe and has more than enough info as far as I can tell
[15:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403408
[16:47] <cRUDE> any aspire 4930 user here?
[16:47] <cRUDE> would just like to report that the suyin webcam is working
[17:42] <ericrost> where should I file a bug against ubuntu's default config for proftpd?
[17:43] <ericrost> proftpd doesn't accept bugs on launchpad, but its not an upstream issue
[17:43] <WeatherGod> !info proftpd
[17:43] <ubot4> WeatherGod: Package proftpd does not exist in karmic
[17:43] <WeatherGod> heh, what is proftpd?
[17:43] <ericrost> Highly configurable GPL-licensed FTP server software
[17:44] <ericrost> from: https://launchpad.net/proftpd
[17:44] <ericrost> running out of repos on hardy server
[17:44] <micahg> ericrost: ubuntu-bug proftpd if you have a desktop handy
[17:44] <ericrost> and this disagrees with ubot4: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=proftpd&searchon=names&suite=karmic&section=all
[17:45] <ericrost> micahg: ?
[17:45] <ericrost> !info proftpd-basic
[17:45] <micahg> ericrost: do you have an ubuntu desktop or only a server?
[17:45] <ubot4> ericrost: proftpd-basic (source: proftpd-dfsg): Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon - binaries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.2-3 (karmic), package size 780 kB, installed size 2008 kB
[17:46] <ericrost> desktop
[17:46] <ericrost> as well
[17:46] <micahg> ericrost: what version?
[17:46] <ericrost> 9.04 on my desktop, 8.04 on my server
[17:47] <ericrost> running a productionish environment so I can't migrate til winter break
[17:47] <micahg> ericrost: from the command line on your desktop: ubuntu-bug    proftpd-dfsg
[17:47] <ericrost> ahh, k
[17:47] <ericrost> I'll hafta reboot into it, I'm in my fedora environment right now
[17:47] <ericrost> is there a we interface?
[17:48] <micahg> yeah
[17:48] <ericrost> web*
[17:48] <micahg> ericrost: instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[17:48] <ericrost> launchpad points directly upstream
[17:49] <ericrost> I went there first
[17:49] <ericrost> but its not an upstream issue its a sane defaults issue
[17:49] <micahg> did you read the link?
[17:49] <ericrost> well, it links to a nonexistent page
[17:49] <ericrost> and I was at the package that I wanted to file against
[17:50] <micahg> correct, you have to READ and not just click :)
[17:50] <ericrost> yes, I did
[17:50] <ericrost> :)
[17:50] <micahg> you have to replace PACKAGENAME in the link
[17:50] <micahg> we're trying to encourage people to use the built-in reporting tools on the desktop, that's why it's like this
[17:51] <micahg> PACKAGENAME is proftpd-dfsg
[17:51] <ericrost> yep, no page there
[17:51] <ericrost> and proftpd points to upstream
[17:51] <ericrost> like I said when I came in here
[17:51] <ericrost> I started on launchpad
[17:52] <ericrost> https://bugs.launchpad.net/proftpd-dfsg/+filebug
[17:52] <ericrost> https://bugs.launchpad.net/proftpd/+filebug
[17:52] <micahg> that's not the link
[17:52] <WeatherGod> maybe this is a Ubuntu meta thing?
[17:52] <WeatherGod> since it is a config issue
[17:53] <micahg> this is the starting place : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd/+filebug
[17:53] <micahg> add ?no-redirect on the end
[17:53] <micahg> sorry, apparently, it wasn't the dfsg name...
[17:54] <micahg> oops
[17:54] <ericrost> ahh, that could be a little more clear, since the package I installed was gproftpd
[17:54] <micahg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/proftpd-dfsg/+filebug
[17:54] <ericrost> rather proftpd
[17:54] <micahg> that's the correct one
[17:54] <micahg> ericrost: there are source packages and binary packages
[17:54] <micahg> you install binary and file bugs by source
[17:55] <ericrost> when I search for that project in launchpad it indicates essentially that it doesn't want bugs against it
[17:55] <micahg> lp can find the source for you
[17:55] <ericrost> just fyi
[17:55] <micahg> ericrost: you're not filing against the project
[17:55] <micahg> ericrost: you're filing against ubuntu
[17:55] <micahg> in the package
[17:55] <ericrost> ok
[17:55] <micahg> ericrost: if you don't know which source package a package is in you can search here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[17:56] <ericrost> I'll use the built in tools next time
[17:56] <ericrost> was just solving the prob over in #proftpd and fig'd I'd toss the bug up
[17:56] <micahg> ericrost: thanks
[17:56] <ericrost> but I'm in my eclipse dev environment, which has no good packaging on the debian side
[17:56] <ericrost> so I'm in fedora
[17:57] <micahg> ericrost: eclipse was packaged for 9.10
[17:57] <ericrost> working?
[17:57] <micahg> idk, I just download from eclipse :)
[17:57] <ericrost> huh, I'll hafta check it out when I move to 9.10
[17:57] <ericrost> it was "packaged" before that, just not in a working state
[17:57] <micahg> after my current project, I was going to try the built in
[17:57] <micahg> ericrost: before this, is was many years old
[17:57] <ericrost> yeah, I'll give it a whirl
[17:58] <ericrost> I know
[17:58] <ericrost> I use it for database dev stuff
[17:58] <micahg> the problem is we're limited on resources
[17:58] <ericrost> and pulled my hair out trying to get a packaged version on the ubuntu side, and I don't want to just leave a static version laying in my /home dir
[17:59] <micahg> well, if you want to help package things, there are people willing to help you learn
[17:59] <ericrost> that's why I have a distro and not just a collection of packages :)
[17:59] <micahg> yes, but the distro is maintained by mostly voluneteers
[17:59] <ericrost> I might, I'll be doing some plugin dev work for pay soon
[17:59] <ericrost> @ my day job
[18:00] <ericrost> sadly I have to do it on a xp box
[18:00] <ericrost> I've got my own issues with that whole can of worms wrt canonical right now
[18:00] <ericrost> I may be migrating off of ubuntu for ethical reasons soon
[18:00] <micahg> ethical reasons? ugh...
[18:01] <ericrost> volunteers maintaining stuff but they're monetizing a bunch of stuff every time they get a chance
[18:01] <ericrost> with odd plugins and adverts in the OS
[18:01] <WeatherGod> adverts?
[18:01] <WeatherGod> where?
[18:01] <micahg> ericrost: odd plugins?
[18:01] <ericrost> have you logged into the terminal lately through ssh?
[18:01] <micahg> yes, they sell a service
[18:02] <ericrost> monitor your systems and landscape
[18:02] <ericrost> yep and that's an advert
[18:02] <micahg> ericrost: do you think companies runs without money?
[18:02] <ericrost> but we're all volunteers, right?
[18:02] <micahg> ericrost: not all
[18:02] <WeatherGod> ericrost, RedHat does this too
[18:02] <micahg> there are some paid people
[18:02] <micahg> otherwise, Ubuntu wouldn't be able to do what it does
[18:02] <ericrost> redhat seems a bit more upfront about it
[18:02] <ericrost> its not the monetization per se that I have issue with
[18:02] <WeatherGod> Ubuntu is a project that Canonical shepards
[18:03] <ericrost> its the ways they've done stuff
[18:03] <ericrost> the multisearch plugin for one
[18:03] <WeatherGod> but, if Canonical ever goes under, Ubuntu can continue
[18:03] <micahg> WeatherGod: unlikely
[18:03] <ericrost> breaking ppl's google pages without much notice through a plugin that you can't remove in the distro's firefox
[18:03] <WeatherGod> but, it could
[18:03] <WeatherGod> oh, that webfav thing?
[18:03] <micahg> ericrost: it was only on an alpha devel release
[18:03] <ericrost> granted there was enough pushback
[18:04] <ericrost> to see how much pushback they got
[18:04] <micahg> and there was a way to disable
[18:04] <ericrost> like I said, its been sitting oddly
[18:04] <ericrost> I don't know which way to go with it right now so I'm in wait and see mode
[18:04] <WeatherGod> ericrost, I can see where you are coming from...
[18:04] <ericrost> it feels like Canonical is having an identity crisis right now
[18:05] <ericrost> from the outside perspective anyhow
[18:05] <WeatherGod> this is partly the reason I joined up, to see what I can do to prevent that from happening
[18:05] <ericrost> I like a lot of the work they do and want to see them succeed
[18:06] <ericrost> but not at the cost of ethics, I think the firefox plugin is a bad way to go, the software store debacle
[18:06] <WeatherGod> debacle?
[18:06] <ericrost> they need to embrace the fact that the community is happy to have this as a platform for commercial enterprise, but not a platform for commercials
[18:07] <ericrost> read the forums on it
[18:07] <ericrost> everyone who was speaking up disliked the idea of it being branded that way
[18:07] <WeatherGod> oh, as a Software Store versus Software Center?
[18:07] <ericrost> yep
[18:08] <WeatherGod> I see
[18:08] <ericrost> its little things, but its a bad pattern
[18:08] <WeatherGod> I still wouldn't call it a debacle
[18:08] <WeatherGod> a furor, maybe
[18:08] <ericrost> true enough
[18:08] <WeatherGod> well, at least the community is able to effect change
[18:08] <ericrost> I got busy after that cropped up, I need to see where that went
[18:08] <WeatherGod> when is the last time Microsoft listened?
[18:09] <ericrost> but sometimes, I think Canonical needs to put the fact that they wouldn't EXIST without the community in perspective
[18:09] <WeatherGod> or even Apple?
[18:09] <ericrost> true
[18:09] <WeatherGod> I think they know that very well
[18:09] <WeatherGod> launchpad is the perfect example
[18:09] <WeatherGod> they finally opened it, right?
[18:09] <ericrost> yep
[18:10] <WeatherGod> it is an amazing platform, much better than bugzilla or mantis
[18:10] <ericrost> like I said, I'm back and forth on it
[18:10] <ericrost> and in wait and see mode
[18:10] <WeatherGod> and it interacts wonderfully with those other systems
[18:10] <WeatherGod> because Ubuntu knows that without working nicely with upstream, they would be nowhere
[18:11] <yofel> ----- bug 484337 - for those here that use #ubuntu-bugs-announce and are annoyed about EeeBotu announcing bugs multiple times
[18:11] <ericrost> yeah
[18:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484337 in eeebotu "EeeBotu announces bugs multiple times" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484337
[18:11] <WeatherGod> that's valid
[18:11] <WeatherGod> but contribute
[18:11] <WeatherGod> that's what I am doing
[18:11] <ericrost> I should
[18:11] <WeatherGod> I don't like sitting back
[18:11] <ericrost> I try to get bugs filed when I run across them, but I'm more focussed on using ubuntu as a dev platform on the server side than anything else
[18:11] <ericrost> I also do advocacy work
[18:12] <ericrost> converting desktops
[18:12] <WeatherGod> ok, good, but we could use all the help we can get to make sure the Lucid is ready
[18:12] <ericrost> trying to bootstrap a webapp using a LAMP stack on ubuntu
[18:12] <WeatherGod> testing in particular
[18:12] <WeatherGod> fun
[18:12] <ericrost> so I'm still a hardy guy on that front
[18:13] <micahg> thanks yofel
[18:13] <ericrost> and I can't run much alpha stuff in the house
[18:13] <ericrost> wife uses these as production
[18:13] <ericrost> I'm the captive tech support/sysadmin/purchaser/tester/monkey
[18:13] <WeatherGod> understandable, I am in the same boat
[18:14] <WeatherGod> I don't switch during semesters, so I am still using Jaunty
[18:14] <ericrost> yep
[18:14] <WeatherGod> but, you can still boot up the livecd occasionally and let us know if you spot anything
[18:14] <ericrost> well, enough of off-topic in here, sorry to bring up a sore point on my end, thanks for the pointer to the right place to file!
[18:14] <ericrost> yep
[18:15] <WeatherGod> np
[18:15] <ericrost> cept it'll be a live stick here
[18:15] <ericrost> I hate slimdvd drives, they keep dying on me
[18:15] <WeatherGod> well, you know what I meant
[18:15] <ericrost> :)
[18:15] <ericrost> *grumble grumble* hardware troubles *grumble*
[18:16] <WeatherGod> yofel, did you get my message about bug 472674?
[18:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 472674 in linux "thinkpad_acpi: WARNING: sysfs attribute hotkey_enable is deprecated and will be removed. Hotkey reporting is always enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/472674
[18:16] <ericrost> ok, I guess I didn't track that long enough. Now it IS the Ubuntu Software Center.....
[18:16] <ericrost> :)
[18:17] <WeatherGod> yeah, I never heard about Software Store
[18:17] <ericrost> it was the first proposal
[18:17] <ericrost> and I have to give them credit now
[18:17] <ericrost> and eat my crow
[18:17] <WeatherGod> guess that's why they are called proposals
[18:17] <ericrost> they suggested the naming to the community
[18:17] <ericrost> and LISTENED
[18:18] <WeatherGod> exactly
[18:18] <ericrost> kudos, and good day :)
[18:18] <WeatherGod> same to you
[18:21] <WeatherGod> micagh: what do you think about bug 484257?  Would that be update-manager or ubiquity?
[18:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484257 in ubuntu "After upgrade to Karmic, system will not boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484257
[18:24] <micahg> WeatherGod: update manager and we'll need the dist-upgrade files I think
[18:24] <WeatherGod> micahg: thanks
[18:57] <bcurtiswx_> flood of people at UDS leaving for lunch...
[18:57] <bcurtiswx_> lol
[18:59] <WeatherGod> heh
[18:59] <WeatherGod> and some coming back early
[18:59] <WeatherGod> :-P
[18:59] <mac_v> anyone knows if there is an audio bug? where the audio gets unmuted on resume?
[19:00] <WeatherGod> I might have seen that, but I have been avoiding resume from suspend bugs
[19:00] <yofel> mac_v: I only know the one where audio get's muted after a pulse update
[19:00] <yofel> might need reboot/suspend/hibernate to get triggered
[19:00] <mac_v> yofel: yeah , that was a major bug before release
[19:01] <mac_v> i think this might be a dupe > https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/484350
[19:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484350 in hundredpapercuts "Sound unmutes on Resume" [Undecided,New]
[19:01] <mac_v> actually it is not a papercut either
[19:02] <WeatherGod> yeah, definitely not a papercut
[19:03] <WeatherGod> I would tenatively put that in pulse audio
[19:03] <bcurtiswx_> yeah its a pulse problem
[19:03] <WeatherGod> but it might be alsa-base
[19:03] <bcurtiswx_> dtchen: ^^  may be able to comment on it
[19:03] <WeatherGod> definitely
[19:03] <mac_v> ah.. alsabase... ! kept forgetting that name :/
[19:04] <WeatherGod> yhea, but package alsa-base stuff against alsa-driver
[19:08] <WeatherGod> could someone mark bug 484361 as wishlist?
[19:08] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484361 in apt "uninstallation like "undo", when upgrades and/or packages installation goes wrong for no space in device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484361
[19:09] <WeatherGod> also, maybe it shouldn't be apt, but rather software center or synaptic?
[19:11] <bcurtiswx_> WeatherGod: done
[19:11] <WeatherGod> thanks
[19:11] <bcurtiswx_> np
[19:18] <mr_steve> Hi all
[19:18] <yofel> hi Steve
[19:18] <mr_steve> I might have brought this up before, but is there any special reason Bug #403408 can't be marked triaged, preferably high-importance?
[19:19] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403408
[19:19] <mr_steve> I think there's more than enough info, workarounds, etc. and it's hitting a lot of people
[19:22] <yofel> that should indeed be enough information
[19:22] <WeatherGod> I agree
[19:22] <mr_steve> It's been a pet bug of mine since it hit me, and I've been seeing tons of forum posts about it. People are trying Ubuntu for the first time and running smack into the wall
[19:23] <WeatherGod> yeah, that is definitely a show-stopper there
[19:24] <WeatherGod> and it should definitely be prioritized
[19:25] <yofel> would be nice if upstream  would hurry with the fix, since I doubt that this is something the ubuntu devs could / are supposed to fix.
[19:25] <WeatherGod> mr_steve, what are the implications of removing the search line?
[19:25] <WeatherGod> I am sure it was in there for a reason?
[19:26] <mr_steve> That's the thing, I'm not entirely certain. I've been meaning to study grub2 a bit more but haven't had time
[19:26] <WeatherGod> If I was a package maintainer of grub2, I would be very hesisitant to implement that fix without much more testing
[19:27] <mr_steve> Agreed
[19:27] <yofel> +1 that's why everybody is waiting for upsream to fix it, but they seem to be occupied with other things
[19:28] <mr_steve> I suppose I could dive into it a bit more, I've got plenty of free time today
[19:28] <mr_steve> I definitely want to find out what the search line is supposed to do, at least.
[19:28] <WeatherGod> feel free, I am sure the upstream guys would love some extra help
[19:29] <WeatherGod> mr_steve, btw, did you notice that one of the guys who had the freezes also had compiz on?
[19:29] <mr_steve> It's weird because the UUID that grub says it can't find is actually the proper, existing UUID
[19:29] <WeatherGod> heh
[19:29] <mr_steve> WeatherGod, yep, I was just looking at the updates on that bug
[19:35] <WeatherGod> how do we make a request to sync a package in the repository with upstream?
[19:35] <WeatherGod> bug 484322
[19:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484322 in treeline "Treeline Won't Even Run in 9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484322
[19:35] <micahg> WeatherGod: is the new versionin debian
[19:36] <WeatherGod> looks like debian squeeze
[19:36] <micahg> WeatherGod: you can use requestsync to request a version from debian
[19:37] <micahg> WeatherGod: check to see if the new version is in lucid
[19:37] <WeatherGod> ok, but is requestsync a launchpad command or what?
[19:37] <micahg> WeatherGod: it's in one of the ubuntu packages
[19:37] <micahg> let me see
[19:38] <yofel> WeatherGod: it's part of ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:38] <WeatherGod> ah, yes, version 1.2.4-1 is in Lucid
[19:38] <WeatherGod> version 1.2.3-1 is in Karmic
[19:39] <micahg> WeatherGod: check the changelog in 1.2.4 to see if the issue was addressed
[19:39] <WeatherGod> yofel, ok, good to know
[19:39] <WeatherGod> yup
[19:39] <WeatherGod> fixes the problem that prevented it from starting
[19:39] <micahg> otherwise, generally, you have to fix why it's not running rather than upgrading versions
[19:40] <WeatherGod> so, what do we tell the OR?
[19:40] <yofel> hm, if you find the upstream patch with the workaround you could try to request a SRU
[19:41] <yofel> or would a backport be better, not sure
[19:41] <WeatherGod> maybe a backport... the problem was related to PyQt 4.6
[19:42] <yofel> yeah, but a backport would end in the karmic-backports repository which isn't on by default afaik
[19:42] <yofel> an SRU would get to karmic-updates
[19:42] <WeatherGod> I have no clue, that is true
[19:43] <WeatherGod> and this is unrunable software right now
[19:43] <yofel> yeah, lemme check those links in the comment
[19:46] <WeatherGod> on a completely different note, has Ubuntu ever prevented a root login through GDM?
[19:46] <micahg> WeatherGod: yes, by default
[19:46] <WeatherGod> referring to bug 484317
[19:46] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484317 in gdm "GDM allows root logins" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484317
[19:47] <WeatherGod> ok, it is just one of those things I never bothered to try
[19:47] <micahg> should be regression-release
[19:47] <WeatherGod> tagged, you mean?
[19:48] <micahg> unless there was already anotehr bug about allowing it
[19:49] <WeatherGod> I'll look
[19:49] <micahg> WeatherGod: yes, tagged
[19:52] <penguin42> I need help with the status of bug #338564 - I seem to be seeing the same thing, but it was marked Fix Released by the original reporter on 9.04, I'm on 9.10
[19:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 338564 in gnome-system-monitor "gnome-system-monitor "Memory Maps"-window blocking interdependent from the showing process" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338564
[19:57] <WeatherGod> micahg, I checked, I didn't see any other reports
[19:58] <micahg> ok
[19:58] <yofel> hm, that treeline bug is easy to fix
[19:58] <penguin42> should I move that bug back to confirmed and add details or is there a better suggestion?
[19:58] <micahg> so, tag regression-release
[19:58] <micahg> and say why
[19:58] <micahg> wait
[19:58] <micahg> it should probabl;y be verified first
[19:58] <WeatherGod> standing by...
[19:58] <WeatherGod> that is true...
[19:58] <micahg> do you have a karmic VM?
[19:59] <WeatherGod> not on this machine
[19:59] <WeatherGod> never been able to get it to boot
[19:59] <micahg> WeatherGod: ok, when you get to the VM, just verify
[19:59] <micahg> then tag regression-release and say you confirmed it
[20:00] <WeatherGod> ok, I'll do that
[20:00] <micahg> thanks WeatherGod
[20:00] <micahg> also, let someone in here know so it can be marked triaged
[20:00] <WeatherGod> will do
[20:02] <WeatherGod> yofel, what do we do about the treeline syncing
[20:03] <yofel> WeatherGod: you can't sync the package for karmic, the only way to get 1.2.4-1 into karmic is a backport
[20:03] <yofel> but I'll ask somebody if a SRU would be possible here
[20:03] <yofel> the patch is simple and works
[20:04] <micahg> yofel: if it doesn't start an SRU is possible
[20:04] <micahg> follow SRU procedure
[20:04] <mac_v> hmm , whats with the QA website tagging a lot of bugs "iso-testing"  ?
[20:05] <bcurtiswx_> So the three mentor requests today... Do we not request a time from them in which they are available to work on bugs?
[20:05] <mac_v> is that normal or something went wrong
[20:05] <bcurtiswx_> mac_v could be something they're talking about at UDS?
[20:05] <yofel> micahg: will do
[20:05] <micahg> bcurtiswx: I thought it said to put a time on the wiki
[20:05] <micahg> mac_v: check the qa channel
[20:05] <micahg> I saw it too
[20:05] <bcurtiswx_> micahg, thats for mentors... but mentees?
[20:06] <WeatherGod> bcurtiswx_, I just noticed that to the iso_testing
[20:06] <micahg> bcurtiswx, there's a wiki page that tells mentees to request
[20:06]  * mac_v now searches the QA channel ;
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> micahg: ah, ok.
[20:06] <WeatherGod> sorry, mac_v, not bcurtiswx_
[20:06] <bcurtiswx_> :'(
[20:07] <micahg> bcurtiswx, it doesn't say time
[20:07]  * micahg will update the wiki
[20:07] <bcurtiswx_> micahg: thx :D
[20:09] <micahg> bcurtiswx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved updated :)
[20:10] <mac_v> !irc
[20:10] <ubot4> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[20:10] <bcurtiswx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors should be updated too
[20:10] <bcurtiswx_> micahg: ^^
[20:25] <bcurtiswx_> thx again micahg
[20:26] <micahg> np
[20:28] <mr_steve> Hmm. I'm not sure of a good next step for Bug #484411. It's wrongly filed against firefox so the apport info is useless. Does GDM have an apport hook?
[20:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484411 in firefox-3.5 "can not log on without multiple tries" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484411
[20:30] <micahg> mr_steve: yeah, a lot of non-firefox bugs get filed against ff
[20:30] <micahg> and there's no package hook
[20:30] <micahg> but I'd move to gdm
[20:30] <mr_steve> Yep, I put an idea about that in brainstorm
[20:31] <micahg> micahg: hmm, it might be an x issue
[20:32] <micahg> if X is restarting a user might see that
[20:32] <mr_steve> I'd probably get the info I need from an apport-collect -p xorg
[20:32] <micahg> mr_steve: take a look at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging
[20:32] <micahg> yeah
[20:33] <micahg> mr_steve: don't forget the bug number
[20:33] <mr_steve> yep
[20:50] <mr_steve> I've just reproduced and confirmed Bug #484252, which has the potential for data loss
[20:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484252 in usb-creator "Wrong behaviour on format action" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484252
[20:51] <mac_v>  to anyone who was also wondering about the "iso-testing" tags >>> the iso-tracker auto-tagger was broken, QA folks fixed it, and now it's catching up on a backlog. <<<
[20:51] <WeatherGod> mac_v: cool
[20:51] <mr_steve> Good to know
[20:53] <micahg> thanks for researching mac_v
[20:54] <mac_v> np :)
[21:15] <Riotta> hello
[21:17] <Riotta> I and few other people are having bug 441408, we uploaded some data, and find exact package in which this bug is present after some tests
[21:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 441408 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[MASTER] Mouse jumps to bottom corner on click in fullscreen games. New mouses (A4Tech). Related to DGA / DGAMOUSE in SDL." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441408
[21:17] <Riotta> and I wanted to ask, what we can do more to get this fixed :)?
[21:20] <dailystruggle> hello I applied for a mentor
[21:25] <Riotta> maybe someone from bugsquad can be assigned for this bug?
[21:25] <Riotta> dunno how exactly bugsquad work
[21:26] <WeatherGod> dailystruggle, Riotta: sorry seems like the other people are kinda gone for now
[21:27] <WeatherGod> I can help out a bit, but I am fairly new
[21:27] <WeatherGod> Riotta, you are doing what is appropriate by "sheparding" your bug
[21:27] <Riotta> ok
[21:27] <WeatherGod> most often, bugs are not dealt with because we do not hear back from the original reporters
[21:28] <WeatherGod> if we have direct interaction with the reporter, we tend to figure issues out faster
[21:28] <Riotta> I will add this channel to my channel list then and try to get to the right ppl
[21:28] <WeatherGod> so, I would recommend coming by a few times and seeing who is around
[21:28] <WeatherGod> yeah
[21:28] <Riotta> thanks WeatherGod
[21:29] <WeatherGod> dailystruggle, I can't be a mentor yet, but I can certainly answer some questions you might have
[21:29] <WeatherGod> Riotta, np
[21:30] <yofel> hm... not sure, but you could try to contact the Ubuntu X Team in #ubuntu-x if they need something else Riotta
[21:30] <Riotta> thanks for the hint yofel
[21:30] <yofel> Riotta: and this really works fine in 9.04 ?
[21:30] <Riotta> yes
[21:31] <yofel> ok, then I'll tag it as regression-release
[21:31] <Riotta> I think some changes that were made for 9.10 broke this for us
[21:31] <WeatherGod> Riotta, thanks for helping to make Ubuntu better!
[21:32] <Riotta> I red even changelogs on this package
[21:32] <Riotta> np WeatherGod we all just want to have a good OS
[21:32] <WeatherGod> Riotta, could it possibly be the game?
[21:32] <Riotta> no
[21:33] <Riotta> I tested random games
[21:33] <WeatherGod> ah
[21:33] <Riotta> it's not game specific issue
[21:33] <Riotta> for sure
[21:33] <WeatherGod> well, keep at it, I hope you get it figured out
[21:33] <Riotta> yeah
[21:35] <yofel> hm, bug 484322 might get fixed quite fast after all, the motu guys are available for a change ^^
[21:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 484322 in treeline "Treeline Won't Even Run in 9.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/484322
[21:35] <WeatherGod> yeah, didn't we already talk about that one?
[21:35] <WeatherGod> we need the SRU or whatever
[21:35] <WeatherGod> it is already set for Lucid
[21:36] <micahg> WeatherGod: if you want to read about SRUs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[21:36] <yofel> yeah, it's just that with my last SRU's one took a whole day and for another I'm still waiting for any reaction
[21:37] <LimCore> Ubuntu wants to remove kalarm, and also kdepim - is that a bug or what?  kdepim is removed from ubuntu 9.10 ??? O_o
[21:37] <WeatherGod> micahg, thanks
[21:37] <maco> LimCore: whats trying to remove it?
[21:37] <yofel> LimCore: ? kdepim is in karmic and lucid
[21:37] <LimCore> maco: aptitude, always
[21:37] <maco> aptitude why-not kdepim
[21:38] <LimCore> Unable to find a reason to remove kdepim.
[21:38] <WeatherGod> cool command
[21:38] <yofel> cool, never knew about why-not ^^
[21:38] <LimCore> Unable to find a reason to remove kalarm.
[21:39] <LimCore> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:  [...]  kaddressbooka kalarma kalgebraa   [...]
[21:40] <LimCore> aptitude install kalarm  -->  0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 204 to remove and 41 not upgraded.    (kalarm is already installed)
[21:40] <LimCore> what is going on O_o
[21:40] <yofel> LimCore: sounds like yu removed some metapackage that depended on them, now aptitude thinks they're not needed anymore
[21:40] <LimCore> bad aptitude
[21:41] <LimCore> how to tell it to stop doing that,  and how to find out what is going in?
[21:41] <LimCore> *going on
[21:42] <yofel> LimCore: try 'aptitude unmarkauto kdepim' to tell aptitude that you want it installed if it's needed or not
[21:44] <dailystruggle> WeatherGod: you still in here
[21:44] <WeatherGod> yeah
[21:44] <dailystruggle> ok how does the process happen?
[21:45] <dailystruggle> mentor ship?
[21:45] <WeatherGod> well, I can give you a general idea...
[21:45] <dailystruggle> thats fine
[21:45] <WeatherGod> ah, mentorship...
[21:46] <WeatherGod> well, when you get assigned a mentor, you use that person as your point-of-contact for any questions you have
[21:46] <WeatherGod> for the first few bugs, let them know you are working on them, and they can keep an eye on you
[21:47] <LimCore> aptitude unmarkauto kdepim --->  The following packages will be REMOVED: [...] kdepim{u}  [...]      yofel
[21:47] <dailystruggle> what if I already work on bugs?
[21:48] <dailystruggle> they can review?
[21:48] <WeatherGod> if they like
[21:48] <dailystruggle> ok
[21:48] <WeatherGod> they can make sure that you are doing what is needed
[21:48] <WeatherGod> they can still be a point of contact
[21:48] <dailystruggle> I just want to help
[21:48] <dailystruggle> true'
[21:49] <WeatherGod> good
[21:49] <WeatherGod> we need it
[21:49] <dailystruggle> I have heard
[21:49] <WeatherGod> I want to make sure that Lucid is good
[21:49] <yofel> LimCore: ok, I'm not really good with the aptitude command interface, use the ncureses interface with 'sudo aptitude' then press 'g' then with j/k scroll to the package you want to keep installed and press '+' to manually add it, it shouldn't be marked violet anymore
[21:49] <WeatherGod> I will probably be joining up with the testing team soon as well
[21:50] <dailystruggle> I test the systems when they get to alpha I have too many boxes
[21:50] <LimCore> yofel: does the above beheviour counts as a bug though? that I have to do it all to just keep using kalarm etc (while managing packates via aptitude instead apt-get)
[21:51] <WeatherGod> good
[21:51] <yofel> LimCore: well, that should only happen if a package that depended on them get's removed, then the now unneeded dependencies will get removed as well
[21:52] <yofel> LimCore: did you remove a package before that?
[21:52] <dailystruggle> are they/we working on lynx or Karmic
[21:52] <LimCore> no, I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 and after that aptitude wants to remove assload of programs I use
[21:52] <yofel> well, maybe  the upgrade removed some meta-package then
[21:53] <LimCore> but it should not do that
[21:53] <LimCore> right?
[21:53] <WeatherGod> dailystruggle: the bug squad works on whatever comes down the pipe
[21:53] <WeatherGod> right now, it is mostly karmic
[21:53] <dailystruggle> good so I will at least get to understand the just
[21:54] <yofel> LimCore: if the kubuntu developers dropped the package then it's completely fine for aptitude to do this. I've been running Kubuntu 9.10 for a long time now so I can't really say what they changed
[21:54] <LimCore> yofel: well, but I so many PROGRAMS are removed,  its like if aptitude thinks they removed "kde" or something
[21:54] <yofel> LimCore: since in a new system those package wouldn't be installed
[21:55] <dailystruggle> yofel:it did something like that to me also
[21:55] <LimCore> perhaps its a bug in deps, like, packages depend on kde3 and now kde4 only is used or something in this direction
[21:55] <WeatherGod> I thought Jaunty was using kde3?
[21:55] <WeatherGod> sorry, kde4
[21:55] <yofel> WeatherGod: it does
[21:56] <yofel> hm...
[21:56] <LimCore> WeatherGod: it was just an examle (not so good) but you get the point
[21:57] <yofel> *sigh*
[21:57] <WeatherGod> ah
[21:57] <yofel> LimCore: can you pastebin the output of aptitude where it lists what it wants to remove?
[21:58] <LimCore> WeatherGod: can you please comment that you had similar problem and when and so on?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/477468
[21:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477468 in aptitude "After upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10, many programs are marked for removal in aptitude (not in synpatic)" [Undecided,New]
[21:58] <LimCore> yofel: it is there on that link
[21:59] <yofel> ok, lemme check
[21:59] <LimCore> please set importance of this bug. I guess it could be even Medium, as aptitude is very important (or low? because there is obvious work around)
[22:00]  * LimCore updated title to be more dramatic
[22:01] <yofel> okay... just to make sure:
[22:01] <yofel> you HAVE the package kubuntu-desktop installed?
[22:02] <LimCore> No packages found matching kubuntu-desktop
[22:02] <yofel> apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop?
[22:03] <LimCore> Installed: (none)   Candidate: 1.154    1.154 0   500 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com karmic/main Packages
[22:03] <yofel> okay... that package SHOULD be installed
[22:04] <yofel> kubuntu-desktop not being installed after an upgrade would indeed be an explenation for this
[22:04] <LimCore> I installed normal "ubuntu", and then installed kde and so on
[22:04] <yofel> oh, that's different then
[22:04] <yofel> how did you install kde?
[22:04] <LimCore> either aptitude or apt-get install kde  and/or  install kmail krusader etc
[22:05] <LimCore> but this should not have effect or removing applications that I installed
[22:05] <LimCore> *of
[22:05] <yofel> ok, the package kde was dropped in karmic
[22:06] <micahg> LimCore: the best way would be to install kubuntu-desktop
[22:06] <yofel> so maybe that got removed and thus the other package are deemed unnecessary
[22:06] <micahg> that will insure the full KDE experience
[22:06] <LimCore> so this is reason for this.  Then this is a bug, because, if I installed kde (even when I did it juts by installing kde, not by installing Kubuntu  and so on) then I do not want Ubuntu to force me to remove it,
[22:06] <LimCore> Im not sure how to solve this, but something with dependenciees
[22:07] <yofel> LimCore: well, the proper way to install kde in ubuntu is to install kubuntu-desktop
[22:07] <LimCore> ok,
[22:08] <LimCore> but still, proper way to install Foo is to install Foo - and this Foo should not be removed unless user says so
[22:08] <LimCore> right?
[22:11] <LimCore> perhaps meta packages should have 3 states...  should be NOT installed,   should be installed,  and - leave it partiall installed (some of deps installed some not)
[22:11] <LimCore> but this is that extra flag that aptitude supports and apt-get does not?   So fix it there for such a case.
[22:11] <WeatherGod> that would be nice
[22:12] <yofel> actually it shouldn't have gotten removed, but maybe a dependency got removed due to a conflict and that remove the kde package?
[22:12] <LimCore> dunno... please then confirm my bug report so that proper developers will look at it
[22:12] <LimCore> please set importance if you can.  bug #477468 - discussion log above
[22:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 477468 in aptitude "After upgrade to Ubuntu 9.10, many programs are marked for removal in aptitude (not in synpatic)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/477468
[22:20] <Riotta> em
[22:20] <Riotta> but there is kubuntu-desktop
[22:21] <Riotta> isn't it?
[22:23] <Riotta> weird issue you got there
[22:31] <LimCore> Riotta: there is,  but I did not had it installed because I installed just some KDE apps
[22:31] <Riotta> yeah ok I didn't red whole discussion
[22:39] <dailystruggle> I have a question--
[22:39] <yofel> dailystruggle: just fire away
[22:39] <yofel> we'll help if we can
[22:43] <dailystruggle> my lcd monitor now seems to lose sync and flashes the digital screen from the monitor itself or when I walk away it seems it goes to sleep bring up the display that happens when the computer is off what could cause this graphic card still performs great is there a setting I can change
[22:43] <dailystruggle> I do not have a screensaver set
[22:44] <dailystruggle> well not to come on for 2 hours
[22:44] <dailystruggle> anyone?
[22:45] <dailystruggle> nvidia 9400gt
[22:45] <WeatherGod> dailystruggle, punctuation marks are a useful thing...
[22:45] <yofel> dailystruggle: that would be a regular support question, please ask in #k/x/ubuntu
[22:46] <dailystruggle> using 185 driver
[22:46] <dailystruggle> punctuation!
[22:46] <dailystruggle> sorry bad habit.
[22:48] <WeatherGod> yeah, I think this is a support question, as it isn't related to a particular bug
[22:48] <WeatherGod> as far as I can tell
[22:49] <dailystruggle> I ask because I do not see a setting. For the card there is no setting. That controls such behavior
[22:50] <dailystruggle> So that is not a bug?
[22:50] <WeatherGod> well, there are power management settings that can be causing this, by default
[22:50] <dailystruggle> I will look into that that might well be the cause.
[22:50] <WeatherGod> are you having trouble bringing it back from sleep or something?
[22:50] <dailystruggle> no
[22:51] <WeatherGod> so, it just goes blank when you are idle?
[22:53] <dailystruggle> Yes it flashes the screen like it is off when idle. Plus it seems to bring up the monitors graphic "DIGITAL" on the screen. intermittently
[22:54] <WeatherGod> sounds like a power-saving mode
[22:54] <WeatherGod> I got to run... good night!
[22:55] <dailystruggle> Have a Great Night.
[23:21] <bash39> hello
[23:24] <bash39> Hello
[23:24] <LimCore> bash39: hi
[23:24] <bash39> I want to ask a question about a bug
[23:25] <bash39> last night I tried to install 9.10 on a friend's Acer laptop but it failed
[23:26] <LimCore> is there a moral to this sotry?
[23:26] <bash39> after reading the bug reporting guides, I know that we should append bugs to packages
[23:26] <bash39> how can I know th package in this case
[23:26] <LimCore> what was the problem?  you can also try to report a bug overall in "ubuntu"
[23:27] <bash39> the live CD worked fine but after installation and reboot
[23:27] <bash39> it gave an error msg and didnt start
[23:27] <yofel_> bash39: do you know the error message?
[23:28] <yofel_> bash39: or when did you get the error? grub, X, gdm, ...
[23:29] <bash39> the error was (error: no such device ) and a very long number
[23:30] <bash39> it was a black screen with the error .... only
[23:30] <yofel> ok, that sounds familiar
[23:30] <bash39> and.... press any key to continue
[23:30] <yofel> give me a moment
[23:31] <bash39> sure
[23:31] <yofel> bash39: bug 403408?
[23:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403408
[23:32] <bash39> Ok...what should I do now?
[23:33] <bash39> BTW I also tried 9.04 and it gave the same error, in case that is relevant
[23:33] <yofel> bash39: try to confirm that this bug is your issue and if yes, then your issue already has been reported and is being worked on, if not, then please report a bug against grub-pc
[23:33] <yofel> hm...
[23:34] <bash39> Ok, then I read that bug report now
[23:35] <bash39> one more thing, I dont think there is a hardware problem with the device coz Xp is already installed on it and working fine
[23:35] <yofel> sure thing, and Jaunty really failed too?
[23:35] <bash39> yes
[23:36] <bash39> I have access to that laptop for the next week so I there is anything I can help with it would be my pleasure
[23:37] <bash39> that Acer is like 4 yrs old
[23:38] <yofel> hm, well, It should be a bug in grub/grub2, but maybe somebody else can help you more
[23:38] <yofel> folks?
[23:39] <bash39> bug 403408 sound very similar
[23:40] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 403408 in grub2 "Grub 2 problem, error: no such device" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403408
[23:44] <bash39> I didnt get the  "Failed to boot default entries" msg though
[23:45] <yofel> bash39: you could try to ask in #grub,  maybe they can help you to  identify the issue
[23:45] <bash39> #grub is another channel?yes?
[23:46] <yofel> bash39: yes, it's the official grub support channel
[23:46] <bash39> Ok
[23:46] <bash39> and thanks
[23:47] <yofel> bash39: you might also want to stay here for at least half an hour
[23:48] <bash39> ok
[23:48] <yofel> bash39: some of the guys here should come back then
[23:48] <bash39> time difference, I guess you're all asleep now
[23:48] <bash39> :)
[23:48] <yofel> bash39: nope, UDS and they're all busy right now ;)
[23:49] <bash39> I see
[23:49] <yofel> but that too ^^
[23:49] <bash39> wish them all the best
[23:52] <bash39> 1 more question yofel. why is your name in 2 colors?
[23:52] <yofel> hm? what client do you use?
[23:52] <bash39> pidgin
[23:52] <yofel> you mean the lines where I said your name are different?
[23:53] <bash39> yes. once yellow others purple
[23:53] <bash39> 2 people logged in with same name?
[23:53] <yofel> bash39: nope, it's so that the messages I say your name in are highlighted
[23:54] <bash39> yes, now i understand
[23:54] <yofel> bash39: so you notice that I'm talking to YOU
[23:54] <bash39> cool feature
[23:54] <bash39> first time with pidgin
[23:54] <bash39> actually first time to use IRC
[23:55] <bash39> thanks again
[23:55] <yofel> hehe
[23:55] <yofel> !irc
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[08:49] <diplo> Morning all
[09:03] <popey> yo
[09:09] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:09] <hoover> morning all
[09:54] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, folks! :-D
[09:55] <christel> happy monday
[09:55] <Laney> :3
[09:56] <hoover> Same to you JamesTait
[09:57] <JamesTait> hoover, :)
[09:57] <JamesTait> christel! HAI! It's been, like, ages! ;)
[09:57] <christel> it has!
[09:57] <JamesTait> How are you my lovely?
[09:59] <christel> i appear to be pregnant
[09:59] <christel> this is causing me a great deal of confusion
[10:00] <christel> however, i think i am mainly happy about it!
[10:00] <Daviey> JamesTait: I am good honey, how are you poppet?
[10:00] <hoover> oh ye gawds, congrats
[10:00] <christel> thank you!
[10:00] <hoover> Got a "due date" yet?
[10:00] <JamesTait> christel, :-O  Congratulations! :-D
[10:01] <JamesTait> Daviey, I'm well sweetie-pie. ;)
[10:01] <Daviey> christel: Wonderful news!
[10:01] <christel> danke JamesTait! hoover no! i am just about to call my doctor to say "er uhm so when i said i was never having another child... well i lied and could you make an appointment with the midwife for me"
[10:01] <christel> OH has already decided that it must be a girl this time (i have no idea why he thinks we'll have a girl)
[10:03] <JamesTait> christel, 50/50 chance. ;)
[10:03] <christel> this is true!
[10:03] <Daviey> not quite actually
[10:03] <christel> (i think he just really likes pink)
[10:03] <JamesTait> Daviey, shh! Details!
[10:03] <Daviey> Technically, there is a slightly higher chance of having a female
[10:03] <hoover> hehe
[10:04] <hoover> Girls are great, at least while they're still small and cuddly ;)
[10:04] <Daviey> christel: Took me 2 children before i worked out the shenanigans that cause them.
[10:04] <JamesTait> Daviey, never let the details get in the way of a good generalisation. Have I taught you nothing? :-P
[10:04] <hoover> Mine turned 13 in September, she's already showing signs of "nastiness" ;)
[10:04] <Daviey> JamesTait: hah
[10:05]  * JamesTait has two boys.
[10:05] <JamesTait> Aged 6 and 9, and already behaving like teenagers.
[10:05] <christel> Daviey: haha i think i am not partaking in any further sexual congress, ever
[10:06] <hoover> my "boy" will be 22 in January...
[10:06] <hoover> he's sometimes saving lives as a paramedic. ;-)
[10:06] <JamesTait> hoover, I can think of worse things to be doing. ;)
[10:06] <christel> awww :D
[10:06] <hoover> JamesTait: certainly.. he moved out in October, what a blessing that was ;-)
[10:07] <christel> haha
[10:07] <JamesTait> :-D
[10:07] <hoover> Now we can finally be "friends" again.
[10:07] <JamesTait> Funny how that works out.
[10:08] <AlanBell> congratulations christel :)
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> What AlanBell says christel
[10:10] <christel> danke schoen! <3
[10:10] <hoover> Indeed
[10:11] <hoover> I guess it's a genetic thing.. those little buggers want to spread themselves far and wide throughout the population ;-)
[10:11] <hoover> So dad tends to be interested in kicking out his male offspring
[10:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:47] <hoover> morning brob
[10:47] <brobostigon> morning hoover
[10:57] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:58] <hoover> lunchtime, brb
[12:28] <brobostigon> is there a way, to analyse my bitlbee logs, to work out, the patterns people use FB messanger/chat. ?
[12:34] <davmor2> brobostigon: does it not list where it has come from?  <me@facebook> hello  for example?  in which case you could pull out any that match that pattern with re
[12:36] <brobostigon> davmor2: it logs via irssi, so yes, using something like wc, matching said string could work, but i want analysis, of time the person logs on that kind of thing.
[12:37] <brobostigon> i wonder if pisg could do it, which does something similer for irc channels.?
[12:38] <davmor2> brobostigon: I guess so as it is viewed as another channel I guess
[12:39] <brobostigon> davmor2: true, it just has no chat in it,
[13:58] <directhex> which package do i uninstall to get real scrollbars back? i forgot
[13:59] <bashrc> don't like the "hunt the scrollbar" experience?
[14:00] <directhex> they're not useful like this. they're a visual indication of where i am, but they're essentially terrible for scrolling. i've seen their style used on touchscreen interfaces, where the entire view is a scroll area, and that's fine. but with a mouse?
[14:01] <SuperMatt> isn't it just overlay-scrollbar?
[14:01] <mgdm> even with a touchscreen you still don't get an idea of how far down the screen you are
[14:01] <mgdm> that bugs me on iOS and Mac OS X
[14:02] <mgdm> (as well as Unity)
[14:02] <SuperMatt> personally, I've always thought the overlay scrollbars should require a simple setting change if you don't want them
[14:02] <SuperMatt> I think there are three areas where settings should trump removal: overlay scrollbars, shopping lenses (one setting per lens) and global menus
[14:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> personally, I've always thought the overlay scrollbars should be taken out at dawn and shot.
[14:03] <bashrc> They introduce an element of mystery to the OS.  Where is the scrollbar?
[14:12] <AlanBell> they are a bit fiddly but I have kind of got used to them
[14:14] <SuperMatt> tbh, I never click the scrollbar
[14:15] <SuperMatt> I've either got a mouse wheel, or I can do two finger/edge scrolling
[14:16] <mgdm> I use a trackpad but I till like to see how far down the document I am
[14:16] <AlanBell> global menu is a hard thing to like though, I have switched to Gnome Shell for a bit
[14:17] <SuperMatt> global menu is weird, but I think that's because it's hidden
[14:17] <AlanBell> unity was confusing chromium and generally failing as a window manager
[15:42] <mungbean> hello, who was setting up ratbox ircd the other day?
[15:42] <mungbean> having some probs
[15:44] <mungbean> getting messages about ban.db
[15:44] <mungbean> bandb - bandb failure: Unable to open sqlite database: unable to open database file
[15:53] <MooDoo_> hello
[15:54] <brobostigon> hello MooDoo_
[16:46] <Azelphur>   Anyone know if BT Infinity has fair usage policy limits on Infinity 2 (76mbit)?
[16:58] <davmor2> MooDoo_:
[16:58] <MooDoo_> hello davmor2 :)
[16:58] <davmor2> MooDoo_: you're an imposter you have a tail what have you done with the real MooDoo?
[16:59] <MooDoo> :p
[17:06] <kaushal> Hi
[17:06] <kaushal> I dont see anything on adobe reader installed on Ubuntu 11.10
[17:06] <kaushal> meaning the menu items or tools. it is blacked out. Any clue?
[17:49] <stevepdp> afternoon all
[17:53] <jacobw> evening ubunteros
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> \o jacobw
[18:03] <jacobw> how do MartijnVdS ?
[18:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: 'ow am ya
[18:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: on the late shift and early start tomorrow so not 3 bad
[18:08]  * MartijnVdS wraps a few more gifts
[18:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: not going for sleep no then
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> "3 bad", sounds very bad ;)
[18:09] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah finish at midnight start at 8am
[18:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: ejit
[18:10] <MooDoo> davmor2: necassary evil mate
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> Are you both even IRCing with your local vowel variations now? ;)
[18:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: I wouldn't say you were necessarily evil at all,  you just choose to be ;)
[18:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: I have been evil in ages, i mean, when was the last time we abused czajkowski
[18:12] <MooDoo> s/have/haven't
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> 'aven't
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> "oy 'aven't dun it!"
[18:13] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: will you speak propa like what i does
[18:13] <jacobw> my father's family is from brum
[18:13] <jacobw> i think i've turned out well considering
[18:13] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: "Oi 'av'n dunit!" :P
[18:13]  * MartijnVdS was there 2 weeks ago.. didn't notice too much unintelligibility
[18:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: where in birmingham though
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: where they had (have?) a _german_ christmas market
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Around New St, Bullring, etc.
[18:17] <shauno> ugh, they're doing that here too.  not a fan
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it was a bit strange, to fly west and end up on a German market.. but it was nice enough
[18:18] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: so you were surrounded by germans and you think the English level was good, that's cause they all learnt it out of the same text book ;)
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Didn't your royal family come from Germany at some point? ;)
[18:19] <shauno> at some point?  they were practically on the last boat
[18:20] <shauno> the christmas market is just a pain here because we don't have much in the way of a town square in the first place, so they've just made the center even more unmanagable, right when it least needs it
[18:20] <jacobw> germans speak better english than most english people
[19:10] <dwatkins> I only learned grammar when I learned German, we never actually studied English grammar at school.
[19:18] <jacobw> i'm glad i know what the akusativ and the dativ are now :)
[19:43] <GentileBen> MartijnVdS: did you see Van Persie's goal?
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> GentileBen: Who's that then?
[20:23] <xnox> I feel like bloppy blop bloppy.
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> xnox: a bit floppy?
[20:23]  * xnox learned the greatest blop in UK history.
[20:24]  * xnox can't pronounce blobby correctly =)
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> bwobby?
[20:24] <xnox> MartijnVdS: Mr. Blobby =)
[20:24] <xnox> ah. i does sound like bwobby sometimes.
[20:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> Mr Blobby .. wonde who has the copyright on that ?
[20:36] <solarcloud_3scrn> **wonder
[20:37] <solarcloud_3scrn> .. I dont think it's the BBC, anyway.
[20:38] <mgdm> Probably the production company that made it
[20:38] <solarcloud_3scrn> really , ya think ?
[20:39] <mgdm> 'It depends'
[20:39] <mgdm> rights for TV productions are weird
[20:42] <solarcloud_3scrn> G+ broke .. again !
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: uh oh?
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> solarcloud_3scrn: http://www.google.com/appsstatus
[20:45] <jacobw> i would put it in a sandwich and eat it
[20:47] <jacobw> ymmv
[20:58] <solarcloud_3scrn> G+ is definately broke today .. I think I will message wikinews .. hang-on.
[21:01] <jacobw> it'd be cool if you got wikinews to update on something on the same day that it happened
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> My title bar says "Error 500 (Server error)!!1"
[22:41] <daftykins> anyone recommend a simple IMAP mail server? i've seen comments about Dovecot so far
[22:43] <directhex> we use dovecot in production
[22:44] <daftykins> i'm basically converting the email from Mail.app in OS X to Outlook for Mac 2011 :)
[22:44] <daftykins> there are no import/export functions that work :D
[22:45] <daftykins> a friend suggested cheating by setting up a quick mail server
[22:45] <directhex> what, drag to imap on one client, drag from imap on the other?
[22:46] <daftykins> yeah
[22:46] <daftykins> the alternative is paying $30 :)
[22:46] <daftykins> for: http://www.weirdkid.com/products/emailchemy/
[22:49] <dwatkins> gmail supports IMAP, I think
[22:49] <dwatkins> setup an account or create a folder and drag it to and from there, perhaps
[22:49] <dwatkins> I guess it depends on the volume of mail and the speed of your connection (and the nature of the mail and how paranoid you are)
[22:49] <daftykins> yeah
[22:50] <daftykins> 5GB set i think
[22:50] <dwatkins> might take a while to upload, then
[22:51] <daftykins> the existing account is IMAP but once the DNS changes it might be lost
[22:52] <daftykins> daubers: got a RAID situation you'd love :)
[23:30] <popey> *yawn*
[23:35] <daftykins> yup


[00:53] <jawn-smith> x
[00:53] <jawn-smith> oops, this isn't my vim window
[02:39] <jawn-smith> ijohnson[m]: got everything working. Got a unit test in ubuntu-image to ensure the correct behavior in my ubuntu-image PR. Thanks again for breaking this down.
[02:42] <ijohnson[m]> nice


[06:32] <Taggnostr> hello
[06:35] <Taggnostr> I installed 17.10 when it came out a month ago and I had some wifi-related issues that are apparently fixed in 4.13.8 but I haven't seen any kernel update yet and still have 4.13.8.  I saw some notes mentioning that there was supposed to be an update today but I haven't seen that either.  Do you know if/when the kernel will be updated?
[08:29] <f_g> ret2libc: unmkinitramfs is what you are looking for ;) part of initramfs-tools just like lsinitramfs
[11:37] <ret2libc> thank you TJ- !
[11:39] <TJ-> ret2libc: whadidido?!?
[11:41] <ret2libc> for the script to extract initramfs
[11:43] <TJ-> ret2libc: OH!! lol... I'd forgotten, I've been to sleep since then :)
[11:44] <ret2libc> me too, but i don't forget :P
[11:44] <TJ-> ret2libc: I find it helps else my brain would leak out my ears
[11:47] <ret2libc> f_g: btw i cannot find that binay anywhere in none of the initramfs-tools-* packages
[11:47] <ret2libc> TJ-: it usually does, except today... woke up sick, not a good sign :)
[11:50] <TJ-> ret2libc: get out in the fresh air! I'm about to do my daily cross-country run around the farm tied behind 2 Huskies :)
[11:50] <TJ-> ret2libc: what binary have you lost?
[11:53] <ret2libc> TJ-: f_g was saying that unmkinitramfs is what i'm looking for. I suppose it does something similar to your script, but actually i cannot find it in any package
[11:57] <TJ-> ret2libc: that's referring to Debian, see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=807457
[11:58] <TJ-> ret2libc: see the list of files for https://packages.debian.org/stretch/all/initramfs-tools-core/filelist
[12:02] <ret2libc> it's not in ubuntu though. so it's just easier to use your script
[12:06] <TJ-> ret2libc: I think the script is smaller too :)
[12:40] <f_g> ret2libc: hah! didn't know that was debian-only ;)
[12:48] <ret2libc> f_g: no problem ;)