[14:44] <minimal> any thoughts on my earlier question about ca-certs?
[14:50] <falcojr> minimal: I don't know, but if you want them removed I'm not sure why we'd just remove the pointer to them
[14:51] <falcojr> later running an 'update-ca-certificates' could bring back certs you didn't expect to be there
[14:57] <minimal> update-ca-certificates reads the /etc/ca-certificates.conf file which ca-certs empties
[14:59] <minimal> so the only certs that would come back are those from /usr/local/share/ca-certificates, but those are not "default" certs, they are site-specific certs and so I wouldn't expect a "remove defaults" option to remove them
[15:00] <minimal> the only way for the default certs to reappear would be if someone re-added their filenames to /etc/ca-certificates.conf and then ran update-ca-certificates
[15:05] <falcojr> ah, right. Yeah, I'm not sure there's a specific reason it was done this way. Is it causing problems for you?
[15:06] <minimal> it is no causing problems, it just doesn't make sense. The currently functionality both stops the certs being used but ALSO deleted the files for no apparent reason, the distro's package manager may reinstall those files upon package update
[15:07] <minimal> so I'm trying to understand why the current code works the way it does
[15:08] <minimal> it also means that if someone later wants to re-add one of the default CAs they need "fix" the problem of the missing file(s)
[15:08] <minimal> when there's no need for the files to be removed in the 1st place
[15:08] <falcojr> that code is over 10 years old, so any of the current devs will probably be guessing as to the answer
[15:10] <minimal> I've looked at the update-ca-certificates manpage for both Alpine and Debian and they both agree on how update-ca-certificates behaves. I expect Ubuntu behaves in the same way.
[15:10] <minimal> I'm not sure about RHEL, I'll have to read up on it
[15:11] <minimal> ok, I was going in raise a PR to change behaviour for Alpine but thinking about it the same change in behaviour should also apply to Debian & Ubuntu. Once I figure out how RedHat behaves I'll think about the PR
[15:14] <minimal> separate unrelated question - whilst working on a different issue I notice a c-i module is using deprecated options for a Unix utility (the utility indicates this on stdout), from checking that codebase those options were deprecated in (June?) 2014, would there be any objections to removing those CLI options from c-i's use of the command as they've been deprecated for more than 8 years now?
[15:43] <falcojr> minimal: : which utility are we talking about?
[15:51] <minimal> sfdisk
[15:52] <minimal> the "--Linux" and "--unit" option
[15:52] <minimal> I spotted this which working on fixed another issue in cc_disk_setup
[15:52] <minimal> so was thinking of removing these options as part of a PR
[15:52] <minimal> s/which/while/
[15:53] <falcojr> yeah, I think it makes sense to remove them as long as we're keeping the same behavior
[15:53] <minimal> ok, will do
[15:53] <falcojr> thanks!
[17:00] <bittin_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOmXqcRfpBI free Cloud Init course starting now
[19:09] <shivaya> hi folks, is there a post-install cloud init file that I can take a look at? as in yaml with all the options I've manually selected during the instsall
[19:37] <falcojr> shivaya: Running "cloud-init query userdata" should give you that
[19:38] <falcojr> it will also be stored in /run/cloud-init/instance-data-sensitive.json (amid other keys)
[19:39] <falcojr> erhm...actually are you referring to the user data you passed into cloud-init, or something else?
[19:39] <falcojr> I was answering the question for user data
[20:07] <minimal> Python related question, looking here: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/cc_ca_certs.py#L84
[20:07] <minimal> for distro rhel, is the value of ca_cert_config then None? based on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/cc_ca_certs.py#L28
[20:08] <minimal> or is it set to the value from DEFAULT_CONFIG?
[20:19] <shivaya> thanks falcojr!
[20:23] <falcojr> minimal: It will be None
[20:30] <minimal> falcojr: that's what I though, so then the write_file later makes no sense for rhel: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/main/cloudinit/config/cc_ca_certs.py#L157
[20:30] <minimal> I guess that's another thing for me to fix as I'm working on that module currently ;-)
[23:04] <blackboxsw> [ubuntu/lunar-proposed] cloud-init 22.4-0ubuntu4 (Accepted) upload accepted with tip of main. Contains bug fixes for (LP: #1844191, #1906849, #1992512)
[23:04] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1992512 in cloud-init "gateway4 and gateway6 have been deprecated in netplan" [High, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992512
[23:04] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1844191 in cloud-init "azure advanced networking sometimes triggers duplicate mac detection" [Critical, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1844191
[23:04] -ubottu:#cloud-init- Launchpad bug 1906849 in cloud-init "Support for metadata over IPv6" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1906849
[23:05] <blackboxsw> I'm syncing these fixes as well to our daily repo ppa:cloud-init-dev/daily. On Monday we'll discuss about expediting the release of 1844191
[23:06] <blackboxsw> as it stands Lunar cloudimages will contain all three fixes or features in short order.
[23:06] <blackboxsw> as it stands Lunar cloudimages will contain all three fixes or features in short order as will ppa:cloud-init-dev/daily


[09:38] <mako> we want to avoid saying, "compare the admins to slavemasters and get what you want"
[09:41] <crimsun> mako: have you received my signed CoC yet? (I sent it Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:13:04 -0800)
[09:41] <mako> crimsun: usually i reply when i recieve/check them.. let me look
[09:42] <ogra> mako: you didnt reply mine....
[09:42] <YokoZar> Ok when my package runs debian/rules binary and it gets to any of the debhelper commands it bugs out with "I have no package to build" - is this me missing some obvious declaration somewhere?
[09:42] <mako> well, i replied to tseng on irc today instead of email..
[09:42] <mako> ogra: but maybe not as usually as i thought ;)
[09:43] <ogra> mako: heh, doesnt really matter.... i'm not a friend of buerocracy ;)
[09:44] <mako> does that make me a buerocrat?
[09:44] <ogra> lol
[09:44] <mako> an ubuntocrat
[09:44] <ogra> rather ... yes
[09:48] <mako> crimsun: looks good and you're 4 hops away from me :)
[09:48] <crimsun> mako: excellent, thanks muchly
[09:48] <dholbach> mako: i think we just have one hop in between :-)
[09:51] <mako> dholbach: mvo, yes
[09:53] <YokoZar> What generates debian/files ?
[09:54] <YokoZar> I know uupdate modifies it, but does something make it in the first place?
[09:56] <ogra> YokoZar: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ap-tools.en.html#s-dh-make
[09:57] <YokoZar> wait
[09:57] <YokoZar> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianfiles
[09:57] <YokoZar> debian/files should not exist?
[09:59] <dholbach> YokoZar: "...it is used while building packages to record which files are being generated..."
[09:59] <dholbach> YokoZar: so if your package doesn't build, it's still lying there
[10:00] <YokoZar> The error I'm getting is that it isn't there when it comes time to make a .changes file (after I enter in my key the first time)
[10:00] <dholbach> YokoZar: ogra is quite right to point you towards dh_make - it serves as a perfect start for a nice, clean package
[10:02] <YokoZar> I used dh_make to make my package
[10:03] <darklight> fabbione, ding
[10:20] <Kamion> T-Bone: sorry, my clue is starting to run out when you get to modules auto-loading each other; you need a real kernel/hotplug expert
[10:21] <T-Bone> Kamion: ok. Cause i've been talking to James Bottomley and Matthew Wilcox, they both agree that making mptscsih hotplug-friendly is everything but a trivial task
[10:21] <maswan> mdz: thanks for being nice, even when I'm slightly frustrated after having butted my head against silly mistakes I made while recompiling a slightly patched kernel. :)
[10:21] <Kamion> sabdfl: -users hasn't got as bad as debian-user, but I certainly can't deal with reading every thread on it any more; I strongly believe that we need the flexibility to be able to ban people who are being abusive or end discussions that have got out of hand
[10:21] <Kamion> there aren't many discussions that got that far, but the reply-to flamewar did
[10:22] <Kamion> T-Bone: ok, if it's a matter of special-casing it in hw-detect then we can do that in principle, but it *sucks* *really* *badly*; the only way to make the installed system guaranteeably behave the same way is to stick it in /etc/modules, and then you have drive ordering problems etc.
[10:23] <Kamion> I'd almost advocate special-casing it in hotplug itself over that, but that probably sucks worse for other reasons :)
[10:23] <Kamion> T-Bone: if there isn't a bug open, could you file one and cc mdz? I'd like his input
[10:23] <T-Bone> Kamion: well, you _have_ to stick it in /etc/modules if you don't load it from initrd anyway
[10:25] <Kamion> only if /usr's on the MPT disk and / isn't, or something
[10:25] <Kamion> (assuming a hotplug-friendly mptscsih)
[10:25] <T-Bone> Kamion: no you don't get it
[10:25] <T-Bone> yeah but it seems mostly out of question right now
[10:26] <T-Bone> the idea is that on MPT boxes, there is no (usually) other disks than those hooked to the Fusion bus
[10:26] <Kamion> ok, well I want mdz's input before adding special cases really, but provisionally I don't mind hacking it in hw-detect
[10:28] <T-Bone> Kamion: you'd have to ask jbailey i suppose, but it seems that Debian preloads MPT on the initrd, afaict
[10:29] <Kamion> that's probably initrd-tools
[10:29] <Kamion> which has sod-all to do with what the installer detects
[10:30] <T-Bone> yup
[10:43] <Kamion> does anyone here have an i386 CPU that supports NX? look in the "flags" line of /proc/cpuinfo to find out
[10:45] <sivang> Kamion: not me, what does this flag mean?
[10:45] <rcaskey_> sivang: mark memory regions as non-executable
[10:45] <sivang> rcaskey_: ah ok, thanks, it is probably good to have, can I choose this when I buy my processor? ;-)
[10:48] <Kamion> new systems have it, as I understand it; AMD defined it
[10:48] <Kamion> don't know exact vintage though
[10:49] <Kamion> I think all/nearly all amd64 systems have it
[10:56] <lamont> Kamion: not here.
[11:00] <sivang> Well, I'm tired, night everybody!
[11:00] <HrdwrBoB> night
[11:00] <tseng> bye sivang
[11:00] <sivang> tseng: bye , big congrets for today :)
[11:00] <tseng> thanks.
[11:01] <sivang> bye HrdwrBoB
[11:05] <dholbach> i'm tired too
[11:05] <dholbach> have a good night everyone
[11:06] <mdz> mako,sabdfl: everything ironed out with regard to the process docs?
[11:06] <mdz> Kamion: what's the special-case in hw-detect?
[11:07] <mako> mdz: i'm working on it now
[11:07] <mako> mdz: it's getting good
[11:07] <mvo__> good night dholbach
[11:07] <Kamion> mdz: T-Bone sent mail
[11:07] <dholbach> bye mvo__ :-)
[11:07] <mako> mdz: sabdfl went through it and suggested some reorganization.. but liked what we had
[11:07] <mdz> mako: sabdfl is happy?
[11:07] <mako> sabdfl: he rolled his eyes at the elmo clause
[11:08] <mako> sabdfl: may try to bring taht up next week
[11:08] <mako> mdz: ^^^
[11:08] <mako> sabdfl: i wish i could blame taht on tab completision.. that was brain completions problem
[11:09] <mako> sabdfl: sorry :) almost done with a reorganization that i think you will like
[11:12] <T-Bone> dilinger: it's better if you don't know. For your own sake ;^)
[11:13] <T-None> gnight all
[11:13] <mako> mdz: check that out: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NewMembersMaintainersDraft
[11:13] <mako> sabdfl: ^^
[11:14] <mako> sabdfl: you were right. i think that reads a *lot* better..
[11:14] <ajmitch> morning
[11:35] <Kamion> mdz: I suspect part of the mptscsih problem might be, is it possible to register the same PCI ID in two modules and expect both of them to be loaded?
[11:41] <mjt> mdz: you around?
[11:43] <mdz> mjt: yes
[11:43] <mdz> Kamion: apparently it is; it happened undesirably with e100 and eepro100
[11:44] <mjt> mdz: just come across this for initrd/whatever coldplugging:
[11:44] <mjt> eval "findmodule() { case \$1 in $(sed -n 's|^alias \(.*\) \(.*\)|\1)module=\2;;|p' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias ) *) module= ;; esac; }"
[11:57] <_mvo_> ping jdub
[11:57] <bluefoxicy> pitti: ping?
[11:57] <pitti> bluefoxicy: pong
[11:58] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  did you get my e-mail?
[11:58] <_mvo_> anyone else noticed problems with gamin? it seems to not inform me about changed files :/
[11:58] <pitti> bluefoxicy: ahem, mind to translate your nick into a realname?
[11:59] <bluefoxicy> pitti:  John Richard Moser :)
[11:59] <pitti> ah :-) sorry
[11:59] <bluefoxicy> wow, you only have update-linux-hardened-support hitting Xorg and soffice.bin?
[12:00] <pitti> bluefoxicy: well, mono too


[00:52] <Bashing-om> krytarik: aaronpriska has worked up a "pretty cool Vanillafied UWN". He would like to include the NewsLetter in a "“one stop shop” Discourse instance. What is a good time frame for you to discuss this change with him ? https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/vanillafied-uwn/40838
[03:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: E276 O Abade De Bação @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e276/
[03:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Ubuntu 22.04 FIPS 140-3 modules available for preview @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-22-04-fips-140-3-modules-available-for-preview
[06:19] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 215 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-215/
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: YTsaurus — the next generation of open source big data platforms @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z5eE7skAsU
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Marketing for Open Source: How, Where, & Why @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PPYNQsDf-A
[11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: The RISC-V revolution @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSPJOFoP40c
[15:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: GNOME Shell 45.2 Update Rolling out to Ubuntu 23.10 @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/12/gnome-shell-45-2-ubuntu-23-10
[23:40] <Bashing-om> krytarik: Boosting: aaronprisk has worked up a "pretty cool Vanillafied UWN". He would like to include the NewsLetter in a "“one stop shop” Discourse instance. What is a good time frame for you to discuss this change with him ?
[23:53]  * guiverc goes hmmmmm  (no planet article)
[23:56]  * Bashing-om scratches head - what Planet article ?
[23:56] <guiverc> zdnet article link is wrong...
[23:57] <guiverc> should be https://www.zdnet.com/article/pipewire-1-0-linux-audio-comes-of-age/
[23:57] <guiverc> i was surprised at no planet (it's not that close to Christmas is it!)  but I see nothing except canonical blogs in my planet feed either...


[11:12]  * Ekushey needs help
[11:13] <Ekushey> ah sorry, problem solved
[11:49] <belkinsa> Ekushey, good to hear.


[06:28] <nigelb> ok, we have an interesting site http://helloubuntu.com/
[21:30] <internalkernel> akgraner: ITP writes are on the GDOC... :)


[00:00] <sreich> i must commend you guys on your installer, it's very slick
[00:00] <sreich> fedora's is really terrible
[00:00] <Riddell> :)
[00:01] <Riddell> bulldog98: I don't know, you'd need to ask ossi
[00:01] <sreich> ask ossi about what/
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> a temporary way to remove the open-tty-on-shutdown warning for the live cd
[00:02] <sreich> just kdmrc
[00:03]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:03] <sreich> i don't think there's like a "run once" kind of way of doing that
[00:03] <sreich> dunno how livecd's actually work, but can't you just use the original when installing
[00:03] <sreich> so the livecd doesn't have it,  but the real install does?
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> yeah, there might be a way to do that
[00:04] <sreich> i'm assuming there are pre-installation scripts or something
[00:05] <sreich> hm, i wonder what kdmctl could do...
[00:11] <sreich> rbelem: sorry to ask you this again, but what were the sources to put in /etc/sources.lst for oneiric?
[00:12] <sreich> rbelem: was that specific only to the chroot?
[00:12] <sreich> or do i need that if i'm going to try and get the sources and build a package on kubuntu 4.8
[00:34] <sreich> ah, ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports should work perhaps
[00:49] <sreich> hm, after installing ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports, I receive  libkactivities6 : Depends: libkactivities-bin (= 4:4.8.0-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1) but it is not going to be installed
[00:49] <sreich> same for kde-runtime : Depends: kde-runtime-data (>= 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu0.1)
[00:57] <sreich> full error list: http://paste.kde.org/430016/
[02:02] <sreich> ah, managed to fix it
[02:50] <rbelem> heya sreich
[02:51] <sreich> hello
[02:51] <sreich> went the vm route and gave up  :D
[02:51] <sreich> since it had some failure
[02:51] <sreich> but the vm works great
[03:10] <rbelem> sreich, what were the errors?
[03:11] <sreich> can't remember ;)
[03:21] <rbelem> :-)
[04:34] <rbelem> Riddell, i uploaded to kubuntu-active ppa the plasma-mobile package with the fix
[07:01] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 8 * debian/ (changelog control) Add breaks/replaces for libkactivities-bin against kde-runtime-data
[07:03] <yofel> sreich: fixed, thanks
[07:32] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kactivities] Philip Muškovac * 9 * debian/ (changelog control) add some more breaks/replaces
[07:35] <Riddell> morning
[10:14] <Riddell> rbelem: plasma-mobile is uploaded, waiting for it to get published to see if we can build images
[10:15] <Riddell> it'll need the xsession file at least before the images are any use
[10:33] <Peace->  this is kubuntu xD http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/27/plasma-desktopfm1802.png
[10:35] <Riddell> Peace-: how do I set my taskbar buttons to be icons only?
[10:35] <Riddell> I'm yet to find that setting
[10:39] <Peace-> Riddell: icontask widget?
[10:39] <Riddell> oh i see, it's a separate widget
[10:40] <Peace-> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/27/plasma-desktopNj1802.png
[10:40] <Peace-> Riddell: btw just run desktop console
[10:40] <Peace-> copy and paste my javascript and click run
[10:40] <Peace-> :)
[10:40] <Riddell> right got it
[10:41] <Riddell> as I suspected, I don't especially like it but I'll give it a try to see if there's anything in it, that is the fashion nowadays
[10:41] <Riddell> what do the random arrows mean?
[10:41] <Riddell> oh one is current window
[10:42] <Peace-> Riddell: you use bottom panel or up panel ?
[10:42] <Peace-> do you
[10:42] <Riddell> bottom panel
[10:44] <Peace-> bah maybe you could like chakra style or unkool7 panel
[11:01] <Riddell> bug 915431 for the taking!
[11:31] <schnelle> guys new plasma nm is released: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2012/02/plasma-nm-090.html
[11:31] <schnelle> is it too late for precise?
[11:32] <Riddell> that's what we are targetting for precise
[11:32] <Riddell> schnelle: want to package it?
[11:33] <schnelle> Riddell: I still don't have time to learn to package :( I am finishing economic studies at the moment
[11:34] <Riddell> oh good, you can tell us how to make money when you're done :)
[11:35] <schnelle> :)
[11:54] <yofel> Riddell: I wanted to do NM
[11:57] <Riddell> yofel: go go NM powahs!
[12:08] <Riddell> I think this is looking all good http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/precise/kubuntu-active/20120227/livecd-20120227-i386.out
[12:10] <Riddell> new error here http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/kubuntu-active/precise/daily-live-20120227.log
[12:15] <Peace-> anyone knows why  here there is bad fonts? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/501061/caratterikde.png
[12:17] <rbelem> thanks Riddell
[13:37] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJzFTRIfiws
[13:49] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  you like unity don't you ...you keep trying to make kde look like gnome :)
[13:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i don't like :D but i like how plasma works
[13:50] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i have my personal layout :)
[13:51] <Peace-> BluesKaj: it's more.... like... "you see?! unity it's so easy to do with kde xD "
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  ok :)
[15:25] <Riddell> !testers
[15:26] <Riddell> new kubuntu alternates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[16:09] <Riddell> !testers
[16:09] <Riddell> new images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120225/
[16:12] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  that url 404s
[16:12] <BluesKaj> last url
[16:13] <yofel> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20120227.1/
[16:13] <yofel> hm, oversized again
[16:13] <Riddell> that's the one
[16:13] <Riddell> yofel: well i386 is good so that's progress
[16:13] <Riddell> and the new limit is 703MB apparantly so we're close
[16:13] <Riddell> got amd64 now so take a look at what can be sacrifised
[16:14] <yofel> testcases got reset too
[16:14] <yofel> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[16:15] <yofel> I'll take the i386 ones and do some actual hardware testing on my eeePC later
[16:17] <BluesKaj> don't think I'll be testing any live cd images , prefer to update upgrade from the repos , since this system has to remain relatively stable
[16:18] <Riddell> thanks yofel, mind and mark any tests you are doing in the iso tracket
[16:19] <yofel> sure
[16:22] <yofel> could someone with some luks knowledge look at bug 891874?
[16:27] <debfx> ktorrent is an easy target to free some cd space
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ktorrent is ok , but I prefer the additional options that qbittorrent offers
[16:33] <yofel> if a user wants ktorrent, he has an internet connection, so he can just install it from muon
[16:35] <BluesKaj> qbittorrent is in the repos as well
[16:36]  * yofel uses rtorrent
[16:36]  * debfx uses http
[16:37] <Riddell> 11M     ./en/amarok/   that's a lot
[16:37] <debfx> what about kppp? can the network manager widget do the same?
[16:38] <BluesKaj> kget\
[16:38] <Riddell> debfx: good question
[16:38] <Riddell> you might have to ask lamont
[16:38] <Riddell> (upstream)
[16:38] <yofel> afaik not
[16:38] <yofel> but I think you can install wvdial from the cd
[16:39] <Riddell> you need to download wvdial (I just tested it)
[16:40] <yofel> then not :/
[16:40] <Riddell> agateau: how attached are you to your documentation?  1.6M    ./en/gwenview
[16:40] <Riddell> 1.4M    ./en/rekonq
[16:41] <Riddell> ok rekonq needs languages split out
[16:41] <agateau> Riddell: can this go to a separate package?
[16:41] <Riddell> agateau: that's what I'm thinking
[16:41] <Riddell> actualy splitting languages in rekonq doesn't save much
[16:42] <Riddell> I think amarok is the clear area to target for more space
[16:50] <yofel> hm, shouldn't ubiquity propose a keyboard layout that matches the choosen language?
[16:50] <Riddell> yes
[16:50] <Riddell> I think it does for me, (UK)
[16:51] <yofel> well, for me (DE) it proposes English keyboard
[16:51] <Riddell> so maybe it matches your location
[16:51] <yofel> I'll file a bug and see
[16:52] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you know how the upgrader determines window size?  I filed a bug about one of the screens being overlarge on a netbook and I'll look into fixing it if I had some clue where to start.
[16:54] <Riddell> ScottK: no, I've never got round to looking into what the best practice is for dialogue size settings and netbooks is
[16:54] <Riddell> agateau probably knows
[16:54] <Riddell> when I asked notmart he didn't know
[16:54] <ScottK> Riddell: I think max vertical size ought to be 576 pixels.  I'm not sure where it is now.
[16:55] <ScottK> The ones with displays smaller than that tend to have some local way to pan around a larger screen.
[16:55] <Riddell> it needs a settings to say "this is a dialogue and shouldn't be full screen even on a netbook" for the "do you want to upgrade" dialogue
[16:55]  * agateau agrees with ScottK
[16:55] <Riddell> I don't even know how to set max size, most of the sizing is automatic
[16:55] <ScottK> I see.
[16:55] <Riddell> it should also resize after the "terminal" is hidden but I suspect it isn't
[16:56] <ScottK> No wonder I couldn't find anything in the code setting the size.
[16:56] <Riddell> ScottK: open up the window in qtdesigner and press all the buttons until it works
[16:56] <Riddell> assuming it's a .ui file
[16:56] <agateau> one can set a max size, but that is usually not a good idea: content will get cropped
[16:57] <ScottK> agateau: This is Bug 940789 I'm discussing.
[16:57] <agateau> last time i ran it, I noticed the installer wastes space on the border with some useless margins, is it still the case?
[16:58] <ScottK> I'm sure it hasn't changed.
[16:58] <ScottK> This isn't the installer though, this is the dist-upgrade tool.
[16:58] <agateau> did you take a screenshot?
[16:58] <agateau> oh, the dist-upgrade tool
[17:10] <ScottK> I didn't, but I can describe it.
[17:11] <yofel> anyone from you guys got an idea what's wrong here? http://imgur.com/GSaPx (input field highlight)
[17:12] <ScottK> I got the same.
[17:12] <Riddell> that's a plasma issue
[17:12]  * ScottK guessed it was by design, but is probably wrong.
[17:12] <Riddell> I've seen it on lightdm too
[17:12] <yofel> got a bug for it?
[17:12] <Riddell> it'll be a bug in that plasma widget
[17:12] <Riddell> no sorry
[17:12] <yofel> I'll check later then
[17:14] <agateau> yofel: I have the same problem with lightdm: it looks like the rectangle which draws the focus halo is not scaled correctly
[17:14] <agateau> yofel: maybe ping people on #plasma?
[17:14] <yofel> can do that too
[17:22] <Riddell> anyone able to recreate this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/942102
[17:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: that a known issue upstream?
[17:24] <Riddell> 4.5M    amarok-common_2.5.0-0ubuntu5_all.deb
[17:24] <Riddell> much better than 11MB
[17:24] <Riddell> debfx, yofel: I think I'll upload amarok with the en docs split out
[17:24] <Riddell> after beta we'll need to look into how to get them installable by people who want it
[17:24] <yofel> those are used nowhere in the default UI?
[17:25] <Riddell> yofel: sound notifications?
[17:25] <Riddell> k3b finished burning
[17:25] <Riddell> quassel I think
[17:25] <yofel> no, the amarok docs
[17:26] <Riddell> oh well if you do Help->Handbook in amarok yes
[17:26] <yofel> ah, if it's just the handbook then ok
[17:26] <Riddell> we could also look at reducing the rediculously large images in that handbook
[17:26] <Riddell> Mamarok ^^
[17:29] <ScottK> Doesn't the image compression thing we have do that anyway?
[17:30] <Riddell> ScottK: I mean reduce from 1024x768 to 300x200 for example
[17:30] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:30] <Riddell> full screen images are no good in khelpcentre
[17:34]  * Riddell disables kubuntu tests in iso tracker
[17:36] <yofel> Riddell: why?
[17:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: those images are in userbase
[17:37] <Mamarok> Riddell: it might be useful to ask Yuri who did the conversion if he can only import the reduced ones
[17:37] <Mamarok> as these are the big image you only see when you click on it in the wiki
[17:38] <Riddell> yofel: to rebuild for smaller amarok
[17:38] <yofel> ah, ok
[17:39] <Riddell> I'm off for the evening, skaet should rebuild for new kubuntu
[17:49] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 29 * debian/ (changelog rules) kde 4.8
[17:58] <CIA-42> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/meta-kde] Philip Muškovac * 30 * debian/ (changelog control rules) * Replace suggests on koffice with calligra and adjust versioning (LP: #941875) * Don't suggest kde-l10n which doesn't exist in kubuntu
[18:38] <Tm_T> hm
[18:39] <Tm_T> I should steal^W lend some hardware from work for testing purposes
[18:49] <ScottK> Riddell: amarok with the new binary accepted.
[18:49] <ScottK> (still waiting on other archs to build, however)
[19:01] <debfx> Riddell: I think we should ship all the documentation for languages that are on the cd. reducing the image sizes (could be done during the package build) or dropping ktorrent sounds much better to me.
[20:43] <mgraesslin> bulldog98: see https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104099/ - identi.ca seems broken :-)
[20:43] <bulldog98> mgraesslin: thanks
[22:55] <apachelogger> bulldog98: guilty of what?
[22:56] <apachelogger> yofel: I got sicked out, so no plymouth yet
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: notify sounds ... yes, but not my upstream :P
[23:02] <apachelogger> oh cool
[23:02] <apachelogger> so muon updater decides that it does not want to update the cache before doing the actual upgrade, thus running into 404s and now it is locked into unusability
[23:02] <apachelogger> why that is certainly useful
[23:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes you can recreate the issue?
[23:03] <apachelogger> where is jon the tacko?
[23:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: the notifications?
[23:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds from notifications.  are you saying you can recreate the problem (no sound) or are you saying something else?
[23:04] <apachelogger> ptrace: Operation not permitted.
[23:04] <apachelogger> oh I do hate my life
[23:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am saying the issue is well know and it is broken because of windows :P
[23:04] <apachelogger> dfaure should know the details IIRC
[23:04] <apachelogger> basically knotify is now doing bogus url handling which results in this problem
[23:05] <apachelogger> (fallout from the widely discussed qurl behaviour change)
[23:05] <apachelogger> oh muon-updater now decided that it wants to commence
[23:05] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: aah
[23:07] <apachelogger> huh, why do I have ardour installed :O
[23:07] <apachelogger> oh
[23:07] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/02/28/plasma-desktopJX2497.png
[23:07] <apachelogger> boooh
[23:08] <apachelogger> that should totally be richtexted ^^
[23:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: did someone do print-manager yet?
[23:09]  * apachelogger wanted to try something
[23:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you mean "do"?
[23:09] <apachelogger> well, did someone package it yet?
[23:09] <Riddell> I think nixternal tried it out
[23:10] <apachelogger> IIRC you sent a mail
[23:10] <apachelogger> to get it into some ppa
[23:10] <Riddell> I haven't seen any packages
[23:10] <apachelogger> ok
[23:15] <Ezim> guys/girls I will sadly be gone for a time :(. I do not know how long.
[23:20]  * Ezim likes his new kubuntu cyber family.
[23:23]  * apachelogger cyberhugs Ezim
[23:24] <apachelogger> "The next import is scheduled to run as soon as possible."
[23:24] <apachelogger> wouldn't it be much nicer if lunchpad were using the flipping remote repo -.-
[23:24] <apachelogger> G
[23:24] <Ezim> apachelogger, I will be back with new energy hopefully :) can help around more then support session.
[23:32] <apachelogger> Start in 12 hours (2505) Oo
[23:41] <apachelogger> launchpad--
[23:58] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Check if disabling krunner does save memory/log in time : TODO
[23:58] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:59] <apachelogger> yes it does?!
[23:59] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Reenable krunner in netbook settings, ensure run by kcm workspace changer: TODO
[23:59] <apachelogger> why?!
[23:59]  * apachelogger doesn't understand most work items TBH
[23:59] <apachelogger> [kubuntu-members] Ensure strigi nepomuk integration works (esp KRunner), check with upstream if they advise to turn on by default : TODO
[23:59] <apachelogger> so what is the deal with krunner?


[15:31] <LeoNerd> It seems to be nontrivial to actually delete tags
[15:31] <LeoNerd> I can  bzr tag --delete  and that indeed removes it from my local branch, and the bound one
[15:31] <LeoNerd> But if there's other bound branches, they seem to put them all back next push
[15:31] <LeoNerd> And then next update, I get them back locally too
[15:31] <LeoNerd> I think I have to delete them from every branch and checkout simultaneously and ensure nobody pushes in the meantime
[15:33] <fullermd> Prexactly.
[15:33] <LeoNerd> One of those annoying stop-the-world changes
[15:35] <fullermd> Eh, the whole 'world moving' thing is a bug anyway   ;)
[15:35] <LeoNerd> A lot of concurrency bugs go away if you have a big STW button
[15:35] <fullermd> Ask any Renaissance pope, they'll tell you "yet it moves" is heresy.


[00:00] <onaxis> thank you guyz, but i am really new, just install ubuntustudio, and my i got a firewire device.
[00:01] <onaxis> thank you guyz, but i am really new, just install ubuntustudio, and i got a firewire device.
[00:03] <onaxis> my interface is a presonus firepod
[01:37] <someguest901234> hi
[01:38] <Unit193> someguest901234: Howdy!
[01:38] <someguest901234> what does the audacious plugin "extra stereo" does?
[01:38] <someguest901234> excuse my english
[01:42] <Unit193> someguest901234: Is it perhaps an EQ?  I don't personally use that, so don't know offhand.
[01:42] <someguest901234> mmmmmmhhhhhh
[01:42] <someguest901234> ok
[01:49] <someguest901234> yeah
[01:49] <someguest901234> ok
[01:49] <someguest901234> im bored
[01:54] <Unit193> ...Alright.
[02:05] <bbba> hi everyone! I have a question here. how do i easily play my mp3 files when jack is on?
[02:12] <MaynardWaters> bbba: vlc?
[02:12] <MaynardWaters> bbba does the player matter?
[16:59] <maa> maa
[17:29] <hansford> Has anyone worked with JAMin ?
[17:29] <holstein> hansford: i use it all the time
[17:29] <holstein> hansford: i put it in the master bus out of ardour for a temporary mastering step.. i can easily remove it to send it to mastering
[17:30] <hansford> any good? ... been reading up on it but old stuff
[17:30] <holstein> "good" is a always a matter of opinion and use case
[17:31] <holstein> its in most repos, so one  could fire up an ubuntustudio live CD, or an AVlinux live cd and try it out
[17:31] <holstein> you can do what it does with other tools, im sure
[17:31] <holstein> i like having it all in one place like that, and its clear and easy to use.. also, easy to mis-use
[17:32] <hansford> Thats what I was thinking...
[17:33] <hansford> like keeping it simple.......
[17:33] <holstein> im not really every doing the mastering.. if i did, i might get more particular
[17:34] <holstein> actually, i probably wouldnt be doing it "in the box" , or at least offering clients that option
[17:34] <holstein> but, for me, to be able to quickly throw something on a bus and make quick adjustments that make the export work for my needs.. i like JAMin
[17:37] <hansford> I been working on In the Mood (Glenn Miller) since week of Jan.... and thought of using it to keep my input/output simple other than that I have a simple amplifier on each track for a little boost
[17:38] <holstein> hansford: check out #opensourcemusicians ..i have to run to the gig now.. bbl!
[17:38] <hansford> ok
[17:40] <hansford> thanks holstein
[22:27] <mikubuntu> just put a dvd movie (alexander) in my new studio installation and it won't play -- got a msg it might be missing (codecs?)
[22:32] <holstein> !dvd
[22:32] <holstein> mikubuntu: ^
[22:33] <mikubuntu> k, was looking at http://askubuntu.com/questions/171026/how-to-install-all-existing-media-codecs
[22:37] <mikubuntu> software center says i already installed ubuntu restricted extras
[22:59] <holstein> mikubuntu: its not the same
[22:59] <holstein> mikubuntu: if you read the link i gave...
[22:59] <holstein> mikubuntu: sudo apt-get install libdvdread4
[22:59] <holstein> then
[22:59] <holstein> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[22:59] <holstein> that should do it
[22:59] <holstein> mikubuntu: i assure you.. i play DVD's in linux
[23:00] <mikubuntu> yes, holstein, it seems to have worked -- dvd playing on vlc now -- haven't tried it in any other players
[23:01] <holstein> mikubuntu: the players should just go use what they need when its present on the machine
[23:04] <mikubuntu> on a previous installation on another machine i had the damndest time getting a video from a court camera to play -- i thin gk it was in quicktime, but finally got it with a little help from my friends here or in #ubuntu


[02:35] <CrummyGummy> Hi all, any idea why this keeps on showing up in my logs?
[02:35] <CrummyGummy> SysRq : HELP : loglevel0-8 reBoot Crashdump tErm Full kIll saK showMem Nice powerOff showPc unRaw Sync showTasks Unmount
[02:36] <CrummyGummy> Nobody is logged on at the time.
[03:26] <mralphabet> nobody that you know about!


[00:14] <teward> hmm... are the builders being slow or having other network issues?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/anki/2.1.8+dfsg-1ubuntu1/+build/17208521 has been running for 51 minutes, and that's a pure python package... not sure if it's resources or just the system not relaying me the console logs in any expedient fashion but it seems unusual for it to be sitting here for 51 minutes in the queue after upload
[00:36] <teward> either that or the builder froze up
[00:37] <teward> cjwatson: not sure if you can poke it ^ but it does look frozen from what I can see
[00:37] <teward> (i hate pinging...)
[00:40] <wgrant> teward: This time of day it's probably better to ping me
[00:40] <wgrant> Let's see.
[00:41] <sarnold> 00:37:12 ..
[00:41] <teward> wgrant: ack.  wasn't sure if you were still here (last time I saw you was... 02:40 yesterday in my logs, so...)
[00:41] <teward> wgrant: thank you either way :)
[00:41] <wgrant> teward: Well I've been to sleep in between
[00:41] <wgrant> It's nearing 11am here
[00:41] <teward> heh :p
[00:42] <teward> ahh so you're that far ahead right, makes sense.
[00:43] <teward> wgrant: it's been stuck at "Setting up python3.7-minimal (3.7.4~rc1-1) ..." for at least 20-30 minutes, which makes no sense 'cause I can't see WHY that'd take that long to set up even in the builders
[00:43] <teward> which makes me think "stuck"
[00:58] <wgrant> teward: Yeah, something was a bit stuck. Fixed.
[00:58] <wgrant> Thanks.
[01:01] <teward> wgrant: thanks for looking :)
[01:40] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: ack
[10:31] <mvo> hey, quick question - I setup a core-beta snap inhttps://code.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+snap/core-beta  and its setup to auto-upload to the store. however I don't see any with "snapcraft history core" and no indication in the build that the upload failed (s390x build happend >20min ago). any hints for me?
[10:34]  * mvo tries to disable/enable the build
[10:43] <cjwatson> mvo: disabling/enabling will make no difference.  let me have a quick look
[10:44] <cjwatson> mvo: I mean the s390x build failed, but I assume you've seen that
[10:48] <mvo> cjwatson: yeah, it fails with that it can't clone the core-snap repo it seems
[10:49] <mvo> cjwatson: I disabled upload and then re-enabled upload and it seems to have made a difference, I got an SSO login and then had the "upload to the store" button (might be coincidence of course)
[10:49] <cjwatson> mvo: Can you see if this snap is perhaps in a review queue in the store?  You should be able to see it somewhere on https://dashboard.snapcraft.io/snaps/
[10:49] <cjwatson> mvo: Yeah, please stop messing about with that, it's only going to confuse things :)
[10:49]  * mvo stops
[10:50] <cjwatson> Makes it harder for me to correlate current state with logs
[10:50] <mvo> this is what I see in the build log "fatal: unable to access 'https://git.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/core-snap/': GnuTLS recv error (-110): The TLS connection was non-properly terminated."
[10:50] <cjwatson> That was probably a temporary error
[10:50] <mvo> cjwatson: sorry :( I think I messed this up then, I re-logined
[10:50] <mvo> (since, stopped doing anything now)
[10:50] <cjwatson> mvo: Do have a look at the dashboard though, since I suspect it's in a queue there
[10:51] <mvo> yeah, now its coming in
[10:51] <wgrant> Supported architectures
[10:51] <wgrant> s390x
[10:51] <wgrant> Package path
[10:51] <wgrant> Built at
[10:51] <wgrant> 2019-07-02 09:59 - 51 minutes ago
[10:51] <wgrant> Submission date
[10:51] <wgrant> 2019-07-02 10:46 - 4 minutes ago
[10:51] <mvo> yes, clicked on "upload this package to the store" in the individual build page
[10:51] <wgrant> Ah
[10:51] <mvo> again, appologies I destroyed evidence apparently
[10:51] <mvo> (sorry, wanted to get this beta out for QA and was too impatient)
[10:52] <cjwatson> Yeah, I can't work this out any more I don't think
[10:52] <cjwatson> You've done too much
[10:52] <tkamppeter> Hi,
[10:53] <cjwatson> I've asked twom to join though since some of his recent changes might be relevant
[10:53] <tkamppeter> I have cloned the LP repo of network-manager via
[10:53] <tkamppeter> git clone https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager
[10:53] <mvo> sorry! I will be more patient next time.
[10:53] <mvo> I have a vague memory though that the auth for the store-upload can expire and that setting to "not upload", save, "upload", save fixes thngs but that may be outdated info
[10:54] <tkamppeter> Then I have done changes, did "git commit -a" and then I pushed the result using
[10:54] <tkamppeter> git push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:55] <tkamppeter> This creates a repo on my LP account.
[10:55] <cjwatson> That's the wrong path
[10:55] <cjwatson> You want /~till-kamppeter/network-manager
[10:55] <cjwatson> If you have the +git in there then it makes a personal namespace which won't be mergeable into the project one
[10:56] <tkamppeter> Now I want to propose my changes to be merged into the original, but on
[10:56] <tkamppeter> https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/+git/network-manager/+ref/master
[10:56] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: you can stop typing and read my answer :)
[10:56] <tkamppeter> I do not see a link for a merge proposal.
[10:57] <cjwatson> mvo: The expiry problems should mostly be solved nowadays I think, and in any case I wouldn't expect expiry yet for a snap set up in March
[10:57] <tkamppeter> Thanks, will try.
[10:58] <tkamppeter> cjwatson,
[10:58] <tkamppeter> git push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:58] <tkamppeter> gives
[10:59] <tkamppeter> fatal: remote error: Unexpected Zope exception: TimeoutError: timeout exceeded.
[10:59] <cjwatson> That's because of a service outage at the moment.  Should be fixed shortly
[11:01] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, thanks.
[11:04] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, it is working now, thanks.
[11:13] <tkamppeter> cjwatson, merge proposal worked now, thanks. More and easier accessible documentation would be great. Or ways how it works in GitHub/GitLab.
[11:29] <cjwatson> tkamppeter: Yeah, the GitHub model is less flexible but in some ways simpler.  We do have bugs for making things a bit more obvious and I expect we'll be taking a serious look at the whole thing sometime in the next nine months or so
[11:54] <rbasak> tkamppeter: my suggestion to make that better is https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1813778
[11:54] <cjwatson> I essentially agree with that bug - we just need to sort out all the details.
[11:55] <rbasak> ack
[11:55] <rbasak> I wonder if tkamppeter would have found that sufficient, or if something further would have been needed
[11:57] <seb128> +git also seems like it's confusing as a name
[11:57] <seb128> using +personal or something instead could maybe help?
[13:50] <rbasak> seb128: AIUI, the mistake is to add +git or +anything. Usually that is not required.
[13:51] <rbasak> (except for +source to indicate the target package)
[13:53] <seb128> rbasak, yeah, I don't know how people end up with that url in use, perhaps because there is no obvious instructions and poking around they see those
[14:13] <rbasak> seb128: maybe https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git#Repository_URLs?
[14:13] <rbasak> Though it does say "no particular connection to any project or package", perhaps what that means is not obvious to those not familiar with Launchpad's model.
[14:14] <seb128> yeah, maybe...
[21:23] <srwalter> I'm having trouble with a PPA upload.  I had a few initial errors, which I fixed, but I'm still getting rejected and with no obvious error message now, "Rejected: Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error."  (stevenrwalter/lxk is the PPA)