[01:03] <leosemilie> when cupsd is running what sort of network printer does it discover is it only those configured behind another cupsd?
[02:52] <dllbrt> hello. is there a channel for linux steam users?
[02:53] <strive> #gamingonlinux
[02:53] <strive> dllbrt: ^
[02:53] <dllbrt> ok, thanks
[03:35] <abdulhakeem_> for apache2, what's the difference between /var/www/ and /var/www/html/ ?
[03:40] <crimastergogo> "/var/www/html/" is default location for apache's single site
[03:41] <crimastergogo> you can change setting set multiple site too like "/var/www/yoursite1" or "/var/www/yoursite2", but beware of correct permission
[03:46] <abdulhakeem_> okay so if I'm installing multiples sites just stick to /var/www/
[03:46] <abdulhakeem_> if I delete /var/www/html does it break anything?
[03:49] <crimastergogo> no
[03:50] <crimastergogo> "/var/www/" is more conventional way and make sense to it, it linux you can do whatever you want
[03:53] <cim209> abdulhakeem_, http://localhost or <IP_ADDRESS> will probably error but unless you're developing a web app, i wouldn't worry about it
[03:53] <RNM> Why you want to delete it?
[03:55] <crimastergogo> maybe he just want to do some experiment
[03:56] <crimastergogo> it is a good practices
[03:59] <mouses> abdulhakeem_: right - 'www' is just the default apache 2 site, you can add more or delete them as you see fit.
[04:01] <mojtaba> Is there anyway to have more control on the emails? (something stronger than filers in thunderbird) e.g. print to pdf all emails from a specific sender.
[04:28] <Grievre> I'm bad at reading bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1624644
[04:28] <Grievre> It says fixed in update-manager in xenial, but only fixed in unattended-upgrades in artful
[04:29] <Grievre> I'm not sure what the difference is between those two things, all I know is that all of my 16.04 LTS installs fill their /boot partitions after a few months and it can be really annoying to try and fix
[04:29] <Grievre> (since if you try to do apt-get autoremove manually it first tries to complete installation of the package that ran out of disk space, which fails because the volume is still full)
[04:57] <craigbass76> is there a gnome version of kdenlive?
[06:19] <hans_> i'm guessing the "recovery" parameter as given to the kernel when booting in recovery mode from grub boot options isn't really for the kernel, but for some script that runs during/right after boot?
[06:25] <hans_> is there some correct-ish way to make a new boot option? (18.04)
[06:28] <hans_> while editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg does *work*, it starts with "# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" and how it's auto generated from `grub-mkconfig`, so i guess that's not the correct-ish way
[06:58] <Phobian> morning
[07:05] <geirha> hans_: correct way is to edit /etc/default/grub, or one of the files in /etc/grub.d/
[07:06] <geirha> and then run sudo update-grub to regenerate /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[07:29] <hans_> is there some way to tell apt-get that /var/lib/dpkg/lock is locked, because it's *my lock* ?
[07:30] <hans_> got a script that want to invoke apt-get, and that script needs to make sure nothing else is running apt-get at the same time
[07:31] <enzotib> hans_, there is no need, apt-get use the lock just for that, to be sure only one instance is accessing and modifying the packages database
[07:32] <hans_> enzotib, well i suppose i could invoke apt-get, then parse the output of apt-get, and if the output includes the phrase "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[07:32] <hans_> " , then just re-invoke apt-get until it stops outputting that phrase?
[07:32] <hans_> because if i just invoke it normally without checking, and unattended-upgrades happens to run at that time, the script will fail
[07:33] <hans_> apt-get doesn't *wait for the lock to be freed*, it just exits with an error if it can't get the lock
[07:33] <enzotib> hans_, I suppose it is a method
[07:37] <hans_> oh, apparently i can use aptdcon --install   instead of apt-get install,  aptdcon will wait until it can get the lock (unlike apt-get)
[07:38] <hans_> (according to https://askubuntu.com/a/231859/462413 )
[07:51] <Tecan> handbrake is a bit outdated on ubuntu
[07:51] <lotus|NUC> !latest | Tecan
[07:52] <Tecan> there are a few options that make the new gui better to use with presets
[07:52] <lotus|NUC> Tecan: there is also a hanbrake snap 1.1.1 if you want
[07:52] <Tecan> like disabling subtitle check and encoding speed
[07:53] <Tecan> what is hanbrake snap ?
[07:54] <lynnzh> ssssss
[07:54] <lynnzh> ddddd
[07:54] <lotus|NUC> !snap | Tecan
[07:54] <lotus|NUC> lynnzh: can we help you?
[07:54] <Tecan> oh4, 1.1.2 is the latest 1.1.0 is what ubuntu has currently
[08:03] <gpunk> !backports
[08:20] <Emmarof> sed: -e expression #1, char 60: unknown option to `s'
[08:20] <Emmarof> i get that error when i run the code `sed -ie "s/#c.NotebookApp.ip = 'localhost'/#c.NotebookApp.ip = '*'/g"~/.jupyter/jupyter_notebook_config.py`
[08:50] <geirha> add a space between the script and the file
[09:01] <Krisostoomus> Heloo
[09:01] <Krisostoomus> Hello
[09:09] <RNM> Yo KribuRoobom
[09:21] <Kristjan121314>  bitches, please e-mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I am looking for an adventure. Am interested in licking your cunts. Please do it as soon as possible. Waiting for your letters.
[09:23] <Kristjan121314> HEllo
[09:23] <Kristjan121314> Is there anybody?
[09:24] <tomreyn> !ot | Kristjan121314
[09:31] <Kristjan121314>  bitches, please e-mail me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I am looking for an adventure.  Please do it as soon as possible. Waiting for your letters.
[09:36] <empedokles78> I'm on a intel nuc and the screen in inkscape doesn't redraw properly. Someone told me to change to modesetting-driver to solve it. How can I do this?
[09:37] <rory> what precisely did they tell you empedokles78 ?
[09:37] <rory> did they say to use nomodeset?
[09:38] <empedokles78> rory, only that he changed "intel" to modesetting-driver.
[09:49] <Boxer-d> hi,If I want to move the sort of small icon in the ubuntu18.04 top bar, what should I modify?
[09:51] <SimonNL> switch edit mode of the panel and drag it I think Boxer-d
[09:55] <Boxer-d>  SimonNL: where can I find the "edit mode"?
[09:56] <SimonNL> right click your panel does that show a switch ?
[09:56] <SimonNL> does so on mint
[09:57] <SimonNL> https://imgur.com/a/LOrtFxx   for example Boxer-d
[09:58] <Boxer-d> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vSO071Jb/1.png
[10:00] <SimonNL> should right click on some spot on the panel that not taken yet
[10:00] <Boxer-d> SimonNL: i means this ICON
[10:01] <SimonNL> you could try right clicking on the icon and see if it show something for moving
[10:02] <Boxer-d> I tried. There was no menu.
[10:02] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:05] <SimonNL> Boxer-d: you might find the panel edit mode switch in the system settings, panel. I don't know how it exactly works in pure ubuntu
[10:08] <Boxer-d> SimonNL: Okay, thank you. I'll try again later.
[10:14] <amosbird> Hi, how can I get apt command ?
[10:15] <amosbird> /bin/bash: apt: command not found
[10:23] <rory> amosbird: what Ubuntu version are you running?
[10:24] <amosbird> rory: how can I find out ?
[10:25] <rory> a few ways. tell me the output of this command: cat /etc/issue
[10:25] <rory> sorry /etc/issue.net
[10:25] <rory> I think the "apt" command was introduced in Ubuntu 16.04
[10:26] <rory> you can use "apt-get" on all versions anyway. you might not need the "apt" command
[10:27] <amosbird> [root@chuhuangVM ~]# cat /etc/issue.net
[10:27] <amosbird> \S
[10:27] <amosbird> Kernel \r on an \m
[10:27] <amosbird> [root@chuhuangVM ~]#
[10:28] <rory> are you sure you're even on Ubuntu?
[10:28] <amosbird> azure ubuntu
[10:28] <rory> check this command: lsb_release -a
[10:29] <rory> Description:    Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS
[10:29] <amosbird> command not found
[10:29] <rory> tell me the Description line
[10:29] <rory> what
[10:29] <rory> I don't think you're on Ubuntu
[10:29] <rory> do you have "apt-get" command?
[10:29] <amosbird> yup
[10:29] <rory> use that instead of "apt"
[10:29] <rory> or you might be able to "apt-get install apt"
[10:31] <amosbird> can I just link apt-get to apt ?
[10:31] <amosbird> are they equal ?
[10:32] <rory> they are not equal. they do the same thing but the commands are different
[10:32] <rory> why do you feel you need to use "apt" specifically?
[10:32] <rory> does "apt-get install apt" work?
[10:33] <amosbird> apt is already the newest version (1.3.5).
[10:33] <rory> /usr/bin/apt
[10:33] <rory> does that command work?
[10:33] <BluesKaj> azure ubuntu server on microsoft
[10:34] <rory> install Wine on it, we need to go deeper
[10:34] <BluesKaj> https://azuremarketplace.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/apps/Canonical.UbuntuServer
[10:35] <BluesKaj> rory, ^ don't know if that qualifies for support here
[10:35] <amosbird> hmm
[10:35] <rory> you know damn well #azure would send them here :P
[10:35] <rory> amosbird: does the command work /usr/bin/apt
[10:35] <amosbird> yup
[10:36] <BluesKaj> no i don't
[10:36] <rory> ok can you share the output of this command: echo $PATH
[10:36] <quxgyver> Are there any official plans for Ubuntu to abandon the whole Unity thing
[10:36] <quxgyver> and go back to a normal DE
[10:36] <rory> no.
[10:36] <quxgyver> akin to Cinnamon
[10:36] <amosbird> rory: thanks. I know what's wrong now
[10:36] <rory> yep me too :)
[10:36] <quxgyver> Was that a no to my question
[10:36] <rory> yes.
[10:37] <quxgyver> Aight.
[10:37] <rory> Take a look at Ubuntu MATE
[10:37] <rory> It's an official flavour now.
[10:37] <quxgyver> ya but I like to use the main flavor whenever possible
[10:37] <quxgyver> so I was hoping they'd abandon it
[10:37] <quxgyver> but I'll settle for a diff flavor for now
[10:37] <quxgyver> thanks for the info
[10:37] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma ...
[10:37] <coz_> quxgyver, mate is cool and menu driven
[10:38] <rory> that's my point, you aren't "settling"
[10:38] <quxgyver> coz_: That's fine. I just prefer to use whatever has the most community support.
[10:38] <rory> Ubuntu MATE is a first-class citizen alongside Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Lubuntu
[10:38] <coz_> ^^^^
[10:39] <quxgyver> That still doesn't change the fact that you get the most and best support if you use the main flavor
[10:39] <amosbird> hmm, what package should I install to get protoc-c ?
[10:39] <quxgyver> because there are obscure differences sometimes
[10:39] <quxgyver> bugs and such.
[10:39] <quxgyver> But I'm not complaining. Just saying.
[10:39] <coz_> quxgyver, you have , on mate, the added advantahe of using compiz-reloaded
[10:39] <coz_> advantage
[10:40] <Anthaas> Quick question, when using ctrl+r in a terminal to perform a back search, how do I move to the next/prev match?
[10:40] <quxgyver> That's cool.
[10:41] <guiverc_w> Anthaas, ^R will jump to next (backwards) item (as I recall)
[10:41] <Triffid_Hunter> Anthaas: heh I always just set pgup/pgdn for history search in /etc/inputrc
[10:42] <rory> I use zsh :)
[10:43] <Anthaas> Awesomely, you can also do the same in weechat!
[10:44] <Anthaas> guiverc_w: Thanks - is there anything to move in the opposite direction?
[10:44] <coz_> forward?
[10:45] <Anthaas> Sure, but I didn't use that term because he used the word next :)
[10:45] <coz_> :)
[10:45] <guiverc_w> Anthaas, can't think of it at present.. (I rarely use it... i'm precise in search term usually)
[10:47] <mojtaba> Is there anyway to have more control on the emails? (something stronger than filers in thunderbird) e.g. print to pdf all emails from a specific sender.
[10:49] <coz_> mojtaba, glad to see you back,,I haven;t done anymore research on that, I am sure someone here might know at some point
[10:50] <coz_> never had the need...
[10:50] <mojtaba> coz_: hello
[10:51] <coz_> mojtaba,  hey guy << assumtion :)
[10:51] <coz_> assumption
[10:51] <mojtaba> coz_: I took a look at mutt, but I am not sure if it is as flexible as thunderbird. (for sure it has more control over emails.)
[10:51] <guiverc_w> mojtaba, i don't use thunderbird, but emails are really just text files, so you can script it  (I've done it before & not to pdf; perl being my choice, but use whatever you like/know..) - sorry all i can think of (never tried anything else)
[10:52] <mojtaba> guiverc_w: Thunderbird has created a text file containing all emails for each folder. (e.g. inbox)
[10:52] <mojtaba> guiverc_w: I am not sure how to specify the beginning and end of the email addresses.
[10:53] <mojtaba> guiverc_w: What are you using for emails? (mutt, alphine, ..?)
[10:53] <guiverc_w> yeah there are two major types of mail databases (single file per email, or combined) - but it's still text, a quick examination should give you clues (it's all I ever did, and I use evolution)
[10:54] <mojtaba> guiverc_w: thanks for the input.
[10:54] <coz_> mojtaba, yeah, it is definitely an interesting issue, If I find a solution, I will let you know, I am hoping someone here has a solution
[10:54] <mojtaba> coz_: yeah. thanks bro.
[10:55] <coz_> mojtaba,  do you come by here often?
[10:55] <mojtaba> coz_: Yeah, I try to be connected.
[10:55] <coz_> excellent, I'll make a point of researching this
[11:00] <coz_> mojtaba, which email accounts,  gmail?
[11:03] <marataziat> Sometimes my gnome 3 freezing https://pastebin.com/XhPVELJd can you help me?
[11:06] <coz_> have to go....
[11:31] <amosbird> hmm does ubuntu have packages for protobuf ?
[11:33] <ducasse> amosbird: 'apt search --names-only protobuf'
[12:06] <winem_> hi, I have a new VM with plain ubuntu 16.04. for some reason apt search libpam_cracklib shows me that there is a package with that name available. apt install libpam_cracklib fails because the packet can not be found. any idea how this happens and how to solve it? apt caches are up to date
[12:08] <winem_> it's reproducable on VMs at digital ocean as well..
[12:13] <rory> because it's libpam-cracklib with a - not a _
[12:13] <rory> I don't think _ is in any of the official package names
[12:13] <winem_> wtf..
[12:13] <winem_> sorry. you are right. I just don't get how I could even make this mistake when I tested it manually
[12:14] <rory> it's all good, I get to feel like I helped someone today without actually any effort
[12:14] <rory> the real question is why does it show in the results when we search for libpam_cracklib
[12:15] <winem_> oh, you are right
[12:15] <rory> it also comes up when you search for "libpam.cracklib" but not "libpamacracklib"
[12:15] <winem_> thought I ran the manual search commands with - instead of the _ and I just copied the _ from my ansible playbook and error message. but it shows the package even if I search for libpam_cracklib
[12:15] <abyss> Hi, question about package policy. If I have two servers with ubuntu 14 but one of them has been installed two years ago and the second one two days ago (so packages version can differ a lot) then I wanted to upgrade both of them, so upgrade should be the same?
[12:15] <rory> it must be doing a slightly smart search
[12:16] <rory> abyss: by "upgrade" do you just mean to install package updates? Or you mean to upgrade to a later Ubuntu version like 18.04 ?
[12:17] <abyss> What I mean is backward compatibility ;) during all lifecycle (lts) packages are backward compatibilites and such an upgrade should not break anything for both version or I can expect that the older ubuntu could brings some problems (for example needs to upgrade some sys configs)?
[12:17] <rory> abyss: then yes, the two systems will have the same package versions. The point-releases of ubuntu such as 16.04.3, which you probably used to install the 2nd machine, just includes package updates in the iso
[12:17] <rory> to save downloads later
[12:17] <rory> oh
[12:17] <abyss> rory: just upgrade packages no upgrade to newer ubuntu or so:)
[12:17] <rory> you will be fine to upgrade your super old system with a normal "apt-get upgrade"
[12:18] <abyss> so during all lifecycle I can assume all packages and minor version should be compatibile, right?
[12:21] <abyss> rory: I guess yes ;) Thank you for you answer.
[12:24] <firelegend> I managed to install ubuntu manually as per this tutorial https://askubuntu.com/questions/616811/gnu-grub-terminal-instead-of-ubuntu-login-screen
[12:24] <firelegend> But now when I boot to grub, I just get a command line interface
[12:24] <firelegend> and if I want to boot, I have to do it manually, which results in a freeze when the kernel is loading
[12:25] <EriC^^> firelegend: do you have a live usb?
[12:25] <firelegend> Yes
[12:25] <firelegend> My goal is to Dual boot with Windows 10 on my laptop
[12:25] <EriC^^> boot it please
[12:25] <firelegend> I am currently booted in the live usb environment
[12:25] <EriC^^> ok, right now you get grub> or grub rescue> ?
[12:25] <firelegend> right now I am at the gui in the live cd
[12:25] <EriC^^> firelegend: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:26] <firelegend> alright
[12:26] <EriC^^> paste the link it gives you here
[12:26] <firelegend> Sorry, it seems I have to reboot again
[12:26] <firelegend> I can't paste unfortunately
[12:26] <EriC^^> why's that?
[12:26] <firelegend> if the output will be very big
[12:26] <firelegend> I need to reboot because 18.04 seems to freeze
[12:27] <firelegend> if I do not set acpi=off in the livecd
[12:27] <EriC^^> ok
[12:28] <firelegend> Just waiting for it to boot.
[12:28] <firelegend> Seems like whatever kernel 18.04 runs is outdated for my machine
[12:29] <firelegend> maybe thats why it freezes without acpi=off
[12:30] <EriC^^> did you try any acpi_osi="Windows <something>" trickery?
[12:31] <firelegend> No, I have not.
[12:31] <firelegend> Also with acpi=off the touchpad on the laptop does not work
[12:31] <firelegend> without it, it works but the OS freezes
[12:31] <firelegend> http://termbin.com/8wc2
[12:33] <firelegend> I've partitioned it as such, sda6 is ubuntu root, sda7 is swap and sda8 efi boot for ubuntu
[12:33] <EriC^^> firelegend: type "sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt"
[12:33] <firelegend> alright
[12:33] <firelegend> Done.
[12:34] <EriC^^> firelegend: "cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:35] <firelegend> http://termbin.com/8p3e
[12:36] <EriC^^> firelegend: type "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[12:36] <firelegend> alright
[12:37] <EriC^^> firelegend: then "sudo chroot /mnt"
[12:37] <firelegend> Done
[12:37] <EriC^^> firelegend: "mount -a"
[12:38] <firelegend> ok
[12:38] <firelegend> Done
[12:41] <EriC^^> firelegend: ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:41] <EriC^^> !ping
[12:41] <EriC^^> link?
[12:41] <EriC^^> firelegend: ?
[12:45] <firelegend> Sorry was afk for a bit
[12:45] <firelegend> going to run that command now
[12:47] <firelegend> EriC^^: The nc command fails in the chroot environment
[12:47] <firelegend> getaddrinfo specifically
[12:48] <EriC^^> hmm
[12:48] <firelegend> but /boot/efi is total: 0
[12:50] <EriC^^> firelegend: exit the chroot and type "sudo blkid /dev/sda*"
[12:50] <EriC^^> firelegend: exit the chroot and type "sudo blkid /dev/sda* | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:51] <firelegend> http://termbin.com/tnwj
[12:51] <firelegend> oops, I didnt see the asterisk
[12:51] <firelegend> http://termbin.com/njoh
[12:53] <EriC^> firelegend: i got dc
[12:53] <EriC^> there's a "*" at the end of sda
[12:54] <firelegend> I managed to fix it
[12:54] <firelegend> http://termbin.com/njoh
[12:55] <EriC^> ok, fstab is using the sda3 as the efi partition
[12:55] <firelegend> that is probably windows
[12:55] <firelegend> windows efi
[12:55] <EriC^> firelegend: yeah
[12:56] <EriC^> firelegend: what does "ls -l /mnt/dev" give?
[12:56] <complib2891> @leftyfb yes, i'm on vps (scaleway) sorry for very late reply. I just couldn't figure out why, I've tried with virtualbox, geoip in iptables works fine
[12:56] <firelegend> http://termbin.com/obzh
[12:58] <EriC^> firelegend: that looks good, what about "ls -l /mnt/run/resolvconf"
[12:58] <firelegend> No such file
[12:58] <firelegend> it says
[12:59] <EriC^> try again "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done"
[13:00] <firelegend> ok
[13:00] <firelegend> No luck
[13:01] <firelegend> still no such file
[13:01] <EriC^> odd
[13:01] <EriC^> maybe it's a version difference from mine
[13:01] <firelegend> Thank you for your help.
[13:01] <EriC^> is "ls -l /run/resolvconf" also no such dir?
[13:01] <firelegend> I will actually be afk for a while
[13:01] <firelegend> Maybe we could continue later on?
[13:01] <EriC^> ok sure no problem
[13:02] <firelegend> Thank you.
[13:35] <baako> hi guys I am getting "Segmentation fault
[13:35] <baako> " and was wondering how to check for it
[13:41] <EriC^> baako: where are you getting that?
[13:41] <baako> console
[13:41] <EriC^> after what?
[13:41] <baako> php artisan db:seed
[13:42] <baako> php laravel artisan command
[13:42] <EriC^> oh
[13:42] <EriC^> if nobody knows here might be worth it to ask in #php as well
[13:43] <baako> I want to know where the core dump is and how to read it
[13:43] <zetheroo> What kind of tests are done to certify a laptop? https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201803-26136/
[13:44] <baako> EriC^, the php guys point me here
[14:17] <ppf> why is the wx_baseu_core library not included in the ubuntu package?
[14:17] <ppf> or in other words where can i find it?
[14:20] <leftyfb> ppf: apt-cache search libwxbase
[14:20] <leftyfb> none of those results contain what you need?
[14:21] <ppf> no
[14:21] <ppf> there's a _net and an _xml library, but not _core or _aui that are searched for by cmake
[14:22] <lolcat-007> hi, which version of ubuntu comes with gnome desktop environment?
[14:22] <ppf> lolcat-007: it's installable on all of them
[14:24] <lolcat-007> ppf, i mean by default
[14:35] <lolcat-007> i found a version of ubuntu with gnome but it is supported until april 2019
[14:36] <ppf> "but"?
[14:36] <leftyfb> lolcat-007: Ubuntu 18.04 that you get from going to ubuntu.com is supported till 2023
[14:37] <lolcat-007> leftyfb, that one comes with gnome
[14:37] <lolcat-007> ?
[14:38] <leftyfb> lolcat-007: yes. 2nd result on google for "ubuntu 18.04" https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/ubuntu-18-04-the-return-of-a-familiar-interface-marks-the-best-ubuntu-in-years/
[14:38] <leftyfb> sorry, 3rd result
[14:39] <lolcat-007> leftyfb, ok great
[14:39] <lolcat-007> :)
[14:42] <complib2891> leftyfb, do you know how to make xt_geoip works with iptables in vps setting? i've tried changing the vps bootscript still the same outcome
[14:43] <leftyfb> complib2891: I answered you yesterday when you asked but you left
[14:44] <leftyfb> complib2891: you're running an outdated kernel on your VPS with no option to run anything else. Contact your VPS for support with their shared kernel. You're not running a supported version of ubuntu.
[14:49] <complib2891> yes, i'm terribly sorry for leaving yesterday. I'll contact their support and proceed from there. Thank you for your input. Appreciate it a lot. xt_geoip just works so well on supported kernel... thanks again.
[15:13] <XirAurelius> .buffer 2
[15:13] <XirAurelius> sorry, mt
[15:19] <bencc> what package replaces gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3 in ubuntu cosmic?
[15:19] <bencc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/gstreamer1.0-fluendo-mp3
[15:19] <bencc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gstreamer&searchon=names&suite=cosmic&section=all
[15:24] <ioria> bencc, ubuntu-restricted-addons  but just guessing
[15:24] <bencc> ioria: I think mp3 is included in gstreamer1.0-plugins-good package in 18.10
[15:24] <bencc> thanks
[15:32] <bane500> alright guys, I am completely stumped. I have an ubuntu machine joined to a domain using sssd. If i browser \\to\the\path through dolphin, I can access the share fine. But when i attempt to add it to fstab, I just get errors. The fstab entry looks like this: \\path.org\folder\to\share /mount/point/on/machine cifs user,domain=contoso.com,username=username,password=password,sec=krb5,vers=3.0 00
[15:33] <gpunk> @samba
[15:33] <gpunk> #samba
[15:34] <strive> bane500: I've never tried, but does Ubuntu have a package named 'authconfig-tui' in the repos?
[15:35] <bane500> hmmm not sure
[15:35] <bane500> What does this authconfig-tui package do? :O
[15:36] <strive> Woops, my mistake.
[15:36] <bane500> I'll bring it over to samba
[15:36] <adrian_1908> strive: i don't think it does.
[15:45] <cetex> How can i make dkms not ask me to disable secureboot?
[15:45] <cetex> Basically: if module isn't signed -> screw the module
[15:49] <cetex> Because every time i update and get a kernel now I end up with this non-killable UI which demands that i set a password to fiddle with my bios on next boot, if i force-kill it dpkg fails configuration.. I don't want to disable secureboot because of a kernel-module, I want secureboot to always be enabled and then fix the module's signature if i feel like it's worth trusting it.
[15:49] <ioria> cetex, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS
[15:51] <cetex> alright. so there is no option to not allow it to sign stuff arbitrarily?
[15:52] <cetex> either you give it access to enroll a new key, or you give it a key, or you're screwed?
[15:57] <leftyfb> cetex: why not just disable secureboot? You know it doesn't actually provide much in the way of security
[15:58] <cetex> I need to have it enabled because company policy.
[15:58] <leftyfb> bad policy
[15:58] <cetex> And what is it that it doesn't help against?
[15:58] <ducasse> cetex: that ui doesn't actually disable secure boot, it just disables module verification
[15:59] <ducasse> (software can't disable secure boot)
[15:59] <cetex> Sure. I still don't want it to touch it.
[16:03] <leftyfb> cetex: secureboot only prevents installing an OS without a signed key as well as prevents anything in the running OS from modifying boot loaders and such. Mainly with Windows OS's. Not much in the way of linux based OS's.
[16:04] <cetex> alright. so then i should probably drop the default key and just setup my own.
[16:04] <leftyfb> and it's already been breached a couple years ago
[16:18] <quiltbitch>  my ubuntu freezes randomly
[16:18] <quiltbitch> how to troubleshoot it?
[16:18] <quiltbitch> freezes and doesn't unfreeze, so I have to restart
[16:18] <quiltbitch> happens once a day on average.
[16:19] <gpunk> can you do ctrl-alt-f3 ?
[16:19] <gpunk> when it freezes?
[16:24] <quiltbitch> never tried but good idea
[16:25] <gpunk> from there try to log in, then look at "xorg" log  and dmesg
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> quiltbitch: another option is to SSH to the machine and leave "top" running... when the machine freezes, you can check the other machine to see what process is spiking
[16:30] <gpunk> maybe another one with tailf /var/log/syslog ...
[16:36] <coconut> I have heard that it is wrong to defrag ssd disks manually. Is this correct? And why it does not go wrong when partitioning?
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Linux file systems (Ext2, Ext3, Ext4, ZFS, JFS, etc) do not require defraging. Defragmenting a disk is a Windows specific problem.
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Defragmenting a drive is not the same as partitioning a drive
[16:39] <Scytale89> coconut: There is no need to defrag SSDs. To defrag make sense on HDDs where you can minimize the distance the write head has to travel. No moving parts - no need to defrag. If you defrag you wear it down a litte cause of unnecessary read/write actions
[16:42] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: i know the difference, but i installed a defrag app once and this crashed my os, which made me to think that is wrong to do this on ssd's. (this was on macos though)
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: SSDs do not store data in the same manner as a spinning platter style disk.
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> SSDs store their information in electronic cells. Spinning paltter disks store their data using special magnetically sensitve material. So one uses physical means to store data, The other (SSD) is purely digital using electricity to store data.
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> Defragging an SSD is bad, because all it does is force the "bits" of the data to be moved around. SSDs do not store data contiguously, they purposefully store their data "sparsely" so that all cells of the drive get used in fairly even way to prevent early failure of the drive.
[16:46] <pragmaticenigma> SSDs are efficient enough that defragging only causes extra wear on the drive and significantly shortens their life span
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Here's a really good article that explains why defragging a SSD is bad: https://www.pcworld.com/article/2047513/fragging-wonderful-the-truth-about-defragging-your-ssd.html
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: but the short of it is... don't defrag a SSD... it's only going to shorten its life
[16:56] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: it goes a little far for me... but what is the difference between partitioning and defragmenting? It doesn't both move files the same way i guess?
[16:56] <leftyfb> coconut: they're not even comparable
[16:57] <coconut> i see
[16:57] <leftyfb> coconut: deframenting is moving bytes within your filesystem around in a certain order
[16:57] <leftyfb> partitioning is creating sections of your drive to be formatted .. literally the definition of partition
[16:59] <yannf> hi
[16:59] <yannf> I am trying to access my Google Accounts on newly installed Ubuntu
[17:01] <yannf> All is fine until I reach the screen "Make sure you trust GNOME", I click "Allow", and then the screen is blocked
[17:01] <coconut> leftyfb: and... with partitioning moving the files are moved just like they are normally moved?
[17:02] <yannf> any idea what to do?
[17:02] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: Partitioning is something you typically do before you add files to a drive.
[17:03] <coconut> pragmaticenigma: for file system,
[17:03] <yannf> actually the whole control center is blocked
[17:03] <pragmaticenigma> coconut: So files are not moved during partitioning. If you are patitioning a live disk, files aren't moved in the conventional sense. The partitioning software tells the drive controller to reallocate space, first by shrinking the existing partition, and then creating the new partition in the newly unallocated space.
[17:05] <coconut> ok, thank you all three. :)
[17:05] <ne2k> trying to run openvpn in lxc on ubuntu bionic on pve 5.2. I've added lxc.cgroup.devices.allow: c 10:200 rwm to the config but I can't work out how to make it automatically create /dev/net/tun at startup. it works if I create it manually. results on google talk about using autodev hook, but ubuntu mount /dev as tmpfs so that doesn't work. so I guess I probably need an ubuntuish solution. I@ve also found stuff suggesting using rc.local, but
[17:05] <ne2k>  that seems... a bit last century
[17:05] <sambagirl> can i have a link to help me with 18.04 and compiz fusion
[17:06] <sambagirl> hey seveas you still around?
[17:06] <sambagirl> anyone have compiz working in 18.04?
[17:07] <pragmaticenigma> sambagirl: first, patience... second, you question is really vague... could you try explaining what you are attempting to do?
[17:07] <sambagirl> install and configure it like i have done since i think 9-10
[17:07] <sambagirl> it didnt work in 5.x
[17:07] <sambagirl> or wasnt around then
[17:08] <sambagirl> i followd a few set of directions on youtube but it didnt jive with what i was experie3ncing
[17:08] <pragmaticenigma> sambagirl: That doesn't help. We don't know know what you have done in the past
[17:08] <sambagirl> well seveas does
[17:09] <sambagirl> but anyway i just wanted to know whether anyone in here who is watching the chat has it running or not
[17:09] <pragmaticenigma> sambagirl: Word of advice... don't follow YouTube videos... First, they're outdated as soon as a new release comes out. Second, they often are authored by people who don't fully understand what they're doing.
[17:09] <sambagirl> just a sec. thanks
[17:09] <ne2k> urgh. found something suggesting running udevadm trigger. which created the node (I don't understand why). then I rebooted, and now I can't log in with ssh
[17:09] <sambagirl> ok
[17:10] <sambagirl> well i am running mate and not unity but let me look something up. thanks
[17:10] <pragmaticenigma> sambagirl: Unless you did something different during install of Ubuntu. Gnome (and formally Unity) install Compiz by default. It is required as it is the "Window Compositor" that the Desktop Environment (Gnome, Unity) use to draw window decorations and handle window functions.
[17:12] <ne2k> I think that was a red herring. I think I might be getting somewhere with systemd.netdev
[17:12] <sambagirl> umm. well here is something that is strange. i used synaptic to install compiz features however when  i search in synaptic now i don't retrieve anything ever any longer on any kind of search. any idea why?
[17:13] <sambagirl> nevermind i had the wrong filter set :DF
[17:13] <ioria> sambagirl, dpkg -l | grep compiz
[17:14] <pragmaticenigma> sambagirl: What you might be looking for is CompizConfig Settings Manager ... which allows you to tweak you compiz setup. "sudo apt install compizconfig-settings-manager "
[17:15] <sambagirl> thanks everyone i think i have everything now. brb. thanks again.
[17:19] <sambagirl> oh thank god it works!
[17:19] <sambagirl> i just love it
[17:19] <Scytale89> pragmaticenigma: Does Ubuntu 18.04 still uses compiz? I thought Gnome has Mutter as it's own compositor. To combine Gnome with compiz would be a strange thing
[17:20] <sambagirl> it's just the most fantastic thing about using linux (compiz)
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> Scytale89: it might... I don't run the Ubuntu flavor... I went back to KDE
[17:21] <sambagirl> it works fantastic for me running mate. i also use tasksel to install all the various packages that are avaialble for various configs and environments.
[17:22] <sambagirl> studio / audio/video / music / you name it.
[17:22] <sambagirl> i just have never figured out how to make a background for the cube
[17:22] <Scytale89> pragmaticenigma: The only DE with compiz as an valid option is MATE, but as Canonical focuses on MIR and GNOME, the manpower behind developement of compiz is reduced.
[17:23] <pragmaticenigma> Scytale89: Canonical dropped MIR
[17:23] <sambagirl> umm
[17:23] <Scytale89> sambagirl: KDE can do that too.
[17:24] <Scytale89> pragmaticenigma: Nope, they didn't. MIR is aimed to be the window manager for IOT devices as an lightweight alternative which supports wayland
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> Scytale89: https://www.cio.com/article/3187740/linux/canonical-kills-unity-mir-and-ubuntu-phones.html
[17:24] <Scytale89> Just not aimed at mainstream desktop anymore
[17:24] <sambagirl> i noticed some issues with trying to move horizontially from one pane to the next or wall space to the right like in the past. has not worked for any build i have had in years. i may try centos or debian just to experiment
[17:25] <Scytale89> pragmaticenigma: That article is more than a year old
[17:26] <oerheks> pragmaticenigma, mir is still in development > https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mir
[17:27] <Scytale89> pragmaticenigma: Many news about MIR on Phoronix https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=search&q=Mir+
[17:28] <sambagirl> there is a lot of ghosting if i use wobble
[17:28] <pragmaticenigma> The top article under "Mir Linux News" it appears UBPorts is developming MIR, not canonical
[17:29] <oerheks> correct, it is a community project now, like unity
[17:29] <sambagirl> wasnt unity the system that started in 11.xx?
[17:30] <oerheks> !info ubuntu-unity-desktop
[17:31] <Scytale89> oerheks: With many Canonical-employees doing coding. I don't have a source for that, i think i heard it either in Linux Unplugged or Ubuntu Podcast
[17:42] <pragmaticenigma> Scytale89: Canonical is helping with funding and devices to UBPorts, If Canonical developers are working on the project, they are doing so as side work, not officially
[17:58] <tsglove> Question.  How can I find out the name of a library to install?   For example, I got this error... yet how do I know the name of the library to put in   apt-get install XYZ  ???    ---> libraries: libX11-xcb.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:59] <oerheks> !find  libX11-xcb
[17:59] <tsglove> oerheks, pretty cool
[17:59] <oerheks> tsglove, that would be libx11-xcb1, i guess
[17:59] <tsglove> Going to try something with  apt-cache
[18:00] <tsglove> That´s cool.  apt-cache returned a manageable list.    Sometimes it throws back hundres of entries.
[18:00] <oerheks> sure, or use ubottu in prvmsg
[18:02] <ducasse> tsglove: you can also install apt-file, do 'apt-file update', and then 'apt-file search libX11-xcb.so.1'
[18:02] <tomreyn> tsglove: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3NY8pFdnsK/
[18:02] <tsglove> ducasse, huh!    So... apt-file... will... search for those
[18:02] <tsglove> ?
[18:03] <tsglove> Let me try that... on my way to check the pastebin
[18:03] <tsglove> quite useful that apt-file
[18:04] <ducasse> tsglove: it works for any file that is in a package in the repos
[18:04] <tomreyn> you need to update its local index occasionally, though.
[18:04] <tsglove> I´m going to check it out more in depth now.
[18:04] <tsglove> oh
[18:04] <tsglove> makes sense
[18:06] <tomreyn> hmm maybe i was wrong on this, can't find how to refresh the index on its man page
[18:07] <arndff> Hello! I have a very annoying issue. Can anyone help me?
[18:07] <ducasse> tomreyn: 'apt-file update'
[18:07] <ducasse> !ask | arndff
[18:07] <arndff> I have Dell XPS 13 9343 with dual boot: Windows10 + Ubuntu 18.04
[18:07] <tomreyn> ducasse: a "deprecated action"
[18:07] <arndff> When I close my laptop for longer time, it doesn't resume properly.
[18:07] <arndff> Black screen only.
[18:07] <arndff> Didn't find a solution online.
[18:08] <tomreyn> ducasse: i guess it refreashes automatically with a weekly cronjob or something.
[18:08] <arndff> Will be glad if anyone helps me... Cheers!
[18:08] <ducasse> tomreyn: most likely
[18:10] <arndff> @ubottu, lol. Just read your whole message... OK, I'm a Dell XPS 13 9343 user, running a dual boot on it: Win10 + Ubuntu 18.04. When I'm @Ubuntu and cloes my laptop for a longer period of time, it doesn't resume properly. Black screen only. Didn't find a solution online. Will be glad if anyone helps me... Cheers!
[18:11] <tomreyn> ducasse: not a cron job, but a configuration which apparently makes it benefit from 'apt update': /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50apt-file.conf
[18:11] <oerheks> arndff,  this dell pdf might be your help https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln297551/xps-13-9343-may-fail-to-properly-resume-from-suspend-while-running-ubuntu-1404?lang=en
[18:12] <oerheks> oh, that page is EOL
[18:14] <arndff> oerheks, not really! 404 - File or directory not found. The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
[18:15] <oerheks> arndff,   am looking for a newer solution
[18:16] <arndff> Found a thread on dell forum but there some guys were talking about Nvidia driver, etc. My laptop doesnt have an external gpu.
[18:33] <arndff> Can anyone help me?
[18:38] <YankDownUnder> arndff, Patience and research pay off.
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> arndff: Sleep mode is not well supported in Linux/Ubuntu. It's a known issue, and the suggestion is to use Power Off or Hibernate (save-to-disk). Sleep (save-to-ram) doesn't always work due to system configurations and driver conflicts.
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> arndff: In power settings you can change what happens when you close the lid of your laptop.
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> Pick anything except Sleep or Save-to-Ram
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> or suspend
[18:45] <feodoran> something about my open GL is broken (maybe the lastest update (kubuntu 18.04)). How can I check and fix that?
[18:47] <feodoran> for example plasme does not load, but applications in general still do
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: how did you come to this conclusion?
[18:55] <feodoran> instead of the panel/desktop and stuff I got some error message mentioning open gl
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> I have all updates that were available to me this morning (central daylight time) and have experienced no issues with OpenGL or KDE. Did you install or change any configurations besides installing updates>?
[18:58] <feodoran> no, nothing but packages updates ... but I don't remeber which ones. There is probably some log about this somewhere?
[18:58] <pragmaticenigma> possible there is something in the logs that identifies what's broken
[19:03] <feodoran> from /var/log/syslog:
[19:03] <feodoran> Sep 13 20:56:05 kubu dbus-daemon[1003]: [session uid=1000 pid=1001] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.Notifications' failed: Process org.freedesktop.Notifications exited with status 1
[19:03] <feodoran> does this help?
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: not really
[19:09] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: are you running any 3rd party display drivers?
[19:11] <feodoran> I had to enable some repo for steam proton (see https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/blob/proton_3.7/PREREQS.md under AMD)
[19:12] <feodoran> other than that just the driver that comes with ubuntu
[19:14] <feodoran> libllvm8 libllvm6.0 linux-modules-4.15.0-29-generic is what I updated today (plus firefox and openjdk, but I don't think they are related to the issue)
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: which repo did you enable?
[19:15] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: the one stated under AMD:  add-apt-repository ppa:paulo-miguel-dias/mesa
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: Unfortunatly... I think that might be the source of your issue.
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> From the PPA's own site: this is the UNSTABLE, built from git padoka ppa
[19:17] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: yes I know it is unstable
[19:17] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: to test this, how do I disable/uninstall it?
[19:18] <feodoran> oh wait, it is explained there
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: remove it from your sources list, you can easily do this from software manager tool. Just uncheck the box next to the repos referring to this PPA. Then run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade" which will replace the drivers with the ones provided by Ubuntu.
[19:22] <feodoran> @pragmaticenigma yep, that was it. thanks for your help
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> cool
[19:23] <coz_> you might want to run a dist-upgrade as well
[19:29] <cognition___> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qrvx896Rmv/
[19:31] <feodoran> in /var/log/apt/history.log:
[19:31] <feodoran> Upgrade: libllvm8:amd64 (1:8~svn340823-0~b~padoka0, 1:8~svn342075-0~b~padoka0), libllvm8:i386 (1:8~svn340823-0~b~padoka0, 1:8~svn342075-0~b~padoka0)
[19:31] <feodoran> is the stuff in parentheses related to the repo, or what is it?
[19:35] <nacc> feodoran: old version, new version
[19:38] <arndff> I'm a Dell XPS 13 9343 user, running a dual boot on it: Win10 + Ubuntu 18.04. When I'm @Ubuntu and cloes my laptop for a longer period of time, it doesn't resume properly. Black screen only. Didn't find a solution online. Will be glad if anyone helps me... Cheers!
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: the version numbers are from the repo that you referenced... svn##### are the SVN change set numbers, padoka is the owner of the repo
[19:43] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: "SVN change set numbers" is this like the checksum for a git commit?
[19:44] <black_mamba> how can I view what folder uses the most space ? I know my / dir is basically maxed
[19:44] <black_mamba> strictly from the command line
[19:45] <black_mamba> no baobab
[19:45] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: no... it's not a checksum. When a developer commits their code change to a system like SVN or git, the program gives the comiited changes a "change number" to aid the software developer in knowing when something changed
[19:45] <feodoran> black_mamba: `du -h ./*` and maybe some sorting magic for longer lists
[19:46] <black_mamba> feodoran: perfect, thank you!
[19:47] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: so basically an ID for the commit? thats what git checksum are used for ...
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: checksum and an ID is not the same thing
[19:47] <pragmaticenigma> checksums are derived based on information. change id is just a sequential number
[19:47] <feodoran> pragmaticenigma: in general not, but you may use a checksum as an ID
[19:48] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: definition of checksum: a digit representing the sum of the correct digits in a piece of stored or transmitted digital data, against which later comparisons can be made to detect errors in the data.
[19:48] <feodoran> sequential number ... sequential over all branches?
[19:49] <pragmaticenigma> feodoran: sequenctial in each action for the repository
[19:50] <feodoran> anyway, my question was whether this identifies the version (or commit), which it does
[19:50] <arndff> Thought someone would help me here
[19:50] <arndff> Lol
[19:50] <pragmaticenigma> arndff: I already did respond
[19:52] <arndff> Sorry... didnt' see it. Thanks.
[19:57] <SkaBob> Just installed Ubuntu Server 18.04.1 LTS, and despite the package search showing postgis being in the misc packages on Ubuntu's package search website, it isn't in the package database apt-get is fetching. Is there an errata I'm missing somewhere?
[19:57] <SkaBob> haven't changed my sources.list at all, it's a total base install other than installing postgres itself
[20:01] <nacc> !components | SkaBob do you have universe enabled?
[20:02] <SkaBob> ubottu: it never prompted me to do so, so I'd imagine not
[20:03] <SkaBob> er...wow...that's a pretty outdated page. It just tells me about adding some additional repos in the Desktop GUI.....In Ubuntu 7.10
[20:05] <oerheks> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu $(lsb_release -sc) universe" && sudo apt update
[20:05] <nacc> SkaBob: the steps, etc. are the same
[20:06] <oerheks> or just sudo add-apt-repository universe
[20:06] <oerheks> * for 16,04 and up
[20:06] <nacc> yeah, that's what i was about to say, oerheks
[20:06] <oerheks> :-)
[20:06] <SkaBob> nacc: yeah sorry it was the second link I checked first
[20:06] <nacc> SkaBob: np
[20:06] <SkaBob> that one is just the GUI on Ubuntu 7.10
[20:07] <nacc> SkaBob: i think even that is basically unchanged in all ubuntu
[20:08] <SkaBob> Not particularly helpful on a server, but the first link covers all of that, so it's all good :)
[20:08] <SkaBob> thanks for the help, I've got it now
[20:35] <sauna> Hi, my wife has Ubuntu 16 and used DarkTable. Then her pc went crazy. All of her home files are under templates. Nautilus is taking 99.99 % CPU time. We are both clueless about what is happening here...
[20:35] <sauna> She says she just opened Darktable
[20:37] <sauna> It seems all the user files were moved into Templates folder and there are a lot of loop devices for different darktable snaps like /dev/loop13 mounted to /snap/darktable-kyrofa/45 etc. This created 15 loop devices...
[20:38] <popey> sauna: the loopback devices are normal when you have snaps installed, a red herring
[20:39] <sauna> But what could have moved all of the user files into Templates folder ? How to reverse ?
[20:39] <popey> often happens when someone accidentally clicks and drags in the file manager
[20:41] <sauna> So copyiing everything back would work ? Doesn't explain why nautilus is taking 100% on 4 CPU machine aswell
[20:41] <jsievers> how to change display brightness?  xenial, lenovo thinkpad non-X.  function f5/f6 print junk to the display
[20:41] <popey> sauna: should do
[20:41] <jsievers> wonder if the pre-boot screen does the right thing
[20:42] <popey> jsievers: by non-x you mean wayland?
[20:43] <jsievers> popey: text console login
[20:43] <nacc> jsievers: if you mean no GUI at all, I'm pretty sure nothing is listening for those special keys
[20:43] <popey> oh, i see
[20:43] <popey> My thinkpad allows me to adjust brightness without X
[20:43] <popey> (command line only) - so it certainly is possible
[20:44] <jsievers> popey: by fn-F5,6?
[20:44] <popey> I don't recall which function keys they are, it's not in front of me
[20:44] <popey> but it's got a brightness picture on it
[20:45] <jsievers> popey: ack.  thx... wonder wha'ts wrong then
[20:45] <sauna> okay thanks people, seems it was my wifes fault, cant say it to her though ... :)
[20:46] <nacc> jsievers: popey: i wonder if there is some tool missing. I think by default it does not respond to said keys. But I only tested on one machine just now.
[20:46] <popey> unlikely, mine is a very bare bones install
[20:47] <nacc> popey: ok
[20:47] <irwiss> is there a way to figure out which dns server is giving the answer when using netplan?
[20:48] <fromBeyond> Hi. I want to change my gnome-terminal theme to this one https://github.com/wbinnssmith/base16-oceanic-next/blob/master/gnome-terminal/base16-oceanicnext.dark.sh but I am having 0 success. It not showing up in the preferences->profile. I have ubuntu 18.04.1
[20:49] <fromBeyond> any pointers would be apprechiated
[20:51] <cognition___> Does parted work across different physical disks? I have a disk /dev/sda1 not under LVM, can I use parted to increase it size by using space in /dev/sdb1?
[20:55] <nacc> irwiss: netplan is unused once your system is configured, afaik. DNS is DNS. You probably want to aks `systemd-resolve`
[20:55] <nacc> cognition___: you can't increase the size of a partition in one disk using space from another disk, no. that doesn't really make sense
[20:56] <irwiss> hm i'm trying to find what adds .com to my search domains, seems resolv.conf isn't used anymore when netplan is used
[20:56] <irwiss> basically any invalid .com domain gets redirected to com.com domain squatter for some reason
[20:56] <cognition___> nacc: TY
[20:56] <nacc> irwiss: that's not accurate, afaik. waht is in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
[20:57] <irwiss> 2 google dns (8.8...) and the cloud provider's dns all ipv4
[20:57] <nacc> irwiss: the search domain being used is unrelated to the DNS servers, typcially. There are no 'search' lines?
[20:59] <irwiss> none, it's 3 lines (now left just the 2 google ones) but seems to have no effect
[20:59] <nacc> fromBeyond: not really an ubuntu support topic. You should ask that upstream project. It says it's for text editors, not terminal emulators.
[21:01] <sambagirl> can you do 4 windows and i am not meaning terminator
[21:02] <sambagirl> i mean split 4 screens on 1 screen
[21:02] <sambagirl> in software
[21:02] <Khaotic> any idea why bluetooth support was removed with this latest kernel release?
[21:02] <irwiss> https://hastebin.com/ajejetegeg.nginx not sure where else to look
[21:03] <nacc> sambagirl: are you asking the wrong channel? it completel depends on what software you mean. terminator is software.
[21:03] <nacc> Khaotic: context? which release of ubuntu. I doubt bluetooth support was 'removed' from any of them
[21:03] <sambagirl> i know that nacc
[21:03] <sambagirl> i am asking can i have 4 windows in 1
[21:03] <nacc> sambagirl: where? in gnome-terminal?
[21:04] <sambagirl> kinda like this Split screen 4 ways https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/split-screen-4-ways/3750
[21:04] <Khaotic> 4.15.0-34-generic Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[21:04] <Khaotic> had it in the previous kernel
[21:04] <Khaotic> upgraded my kernel yesterday and lost it
[21:04] <sambagirl> no no for example like a Plus sign with 4 equal spaces
[21:04] <nacc> sambagirl: so you mean just tile the windows/
[21:04] <Khaotic> im back to the "no adapter" state
[21:04] <sambagirl> khaotic i think so
[21:05] <nacc> sambagirl: if in stock ubuntu, look for a gnome plugin that does it, i guess
[21:05] <hggdh> nacc: I *think* he means something like 4 workspaces in one single screen
[21:05] <Khaotic> ?
[21:05] <sambagirl> oh ok well i have mate and compiz installed so that isnt stock anymore
[21:05] <nacc> sambagirl: i believe compiz had a tiling setting
[21:05] <sambagirl> ok let me check thanks
[21:05] <sambagirl> and its she not he buit it's cool
[21:06] <sambagirl> thanks
[21:14] <vlt> Hello. When I have a device like a PTP camera connected via USB I sometimes get connection error messages. Re-plugging the USB cable usually fixes this.  Any idea how to do this "USB reset" via a command?
[21:23] <Jimmy06> Im trying to install server 18.04 and keep getting this error "Unexpected error while running command blkid -o full /dev/"
[21:23] <nacc> Jimmy06: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[21:24] <Jimmy06> Thanks
[21:44] <fromBeyond> Hi, I am trying to install a theme for my gnome-terminal. The problem is that after instalation, the created profile does not show up.
[21:45] <fromBeyond> https://github.com/denysdovhan/oceanic-next-gnome-terminal  this is the theme. I do have dconf installed, and on my other machne its working fine. I am trying to pinpoint what is the problem. This is a fresh install of ubuntu 18.0401
[21:47] <maxcell_> hi, there is a torrent to download ubuntu? it's really slow on the website link for me
[21:47] <maxcell_> like 125kbps
[21:47] <fromBeyond> maxcell_: I had downloaded it an hour ago and it was fast
[21:47] <maxcell_> im from brazil maybe the servers are differente
[21:47] <maxcell_> im from brazil maybe the servers are different
[21:48] <Nelluk> running 16.04, i have a script i want to restart on fail and start at boot. i made a systemctl entry as root which works fine, but it'd be better if it ran as the user itself. is there an easy way to do this? some sites i find say that systemctl doesnt apply at the user level. cant find a straightforward guide for non-root uses
[21:48] <maxcell_> So, there is a torrent to download ubuntu?
[21:48] <maxcell_> oficially
[21:50] <fromBeyond> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[21:50] <fromBeyond> yes
[21:50] <fromBeyond> look here
[21:51] <maxcell_> nice
[21:51] <maxcell_> thank you
[21:51] <maxcell_> i couldn't find it
[21:51] <maxcell_> appreciate that
[21:56] <fromBeyond> maxcell_: no problem
[21:57] <fromBeyond> Can someone who is running ubuntu 18 try to install this gnome terminal theme https://github.com/denysdovhan/oceanic-next-gnome-terminal (command to do so is in the readme), and tell me if the profile show up for them. This way I will know if somethign on my end is wrong
[22:00] <justthedoctor> utilizing a SSH connection, ubuntu 14.04 LTS is there a method to find out what version a app from apt-get would install? example, if i type apt-cache search appname it will show me a list of something that will install, however not the version.. Is there a command i could add to apt-cache to also learn the Version of said app?
[22:00] <justthedoctor> (by app i mostly mean package, sorry)
[22:07] <Jimmy06> well it fails when formatting drives so maybe someone may be able to help
[22:08] <ducasse> justthedoctor: 'apt-cache policy packagename'
[22:08] <justthedoctor> thank you
[22:10] <Jimmy06> I select my disk https://i.imgur.com/m7vn5HJ.png and then I'm greeted with this.
[22:31] <fromBeyond> When I create a new profile for gnome-terminal using dconf, I look under dconf-editor and the profile is there. But under gnome-terminal -> preferences it is not
[22:31] <fromBeyond> is thsi a bug?
[22:33] <fromBeyond> anybody, please. I have been trying to do this for te past 5 hours
[22:33] <fromBeyond> i am about to go back to ubuntu 16 which i know how to customize..
[22:33] <fromBeyond> the created profiles are clearly visible in dconf-editor
[22:34] <uberwag> i have a tor node on my ubuntu server, how do i allow port for tor in ufw?
[22:40] <meyou> is there any way to set retention for old kernel images
[22:41] <meyou> like only keep the last 3-4 kernel images instead of keeping them all and gradually filling up /boot
[22:49] <postmodern> trying to configure a cdc-mbim usb cellular modem, but NetworkManager keeps giving me "Activation failed because device is unmanaged" error. Kernel detects the device and my provider detects it's SIM card.
[23:22] <fromBeyond> (close
[23:42] <stewie925> hello guys,  I have an issue with running tox pep8
[23:42] <stewie925> it seems to be getting python3  and I am using python2.7
[23:43] <nacc> stewie925: use a pastebin and show us waht you mean
[23:43] <nacc> stewie925: you might need to tell tox to use your specific interpreter if you only intend python2 support
[23:44] <stewie925> nacc: sure i'll share my pep8.log
[23:51] <stewie925> nacc:  here's my pep8 log - http://paste.openstack.org/show/730061/  - thanks!
[23:53] <nacc> stewie925: hrm, it seems to be explicitly calling python3
[23:53] <nacc> stewie925: might be tox.ini related? you might be better off asking in a python channel
[23:53] <stewie925> let me see the tox.ini
[23:54] <stewie925> I looked at the tox.ini and there's no explicit call for python3
[23:55] <stewie925> just a smattering of 'python setup.py ' stuff
[23:55] <stewie925> nacc:  thank you I'll check wth the python chat room
[23:56] <nacc> stewie925: just to b esure, `which python` and `ls -ahl $(which python)`
[23:56] <stewie925> nacc: thanks!  checking
[23:57] <stewie925> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Nov 23  2017 /usr/bin/python -> python2.7
[23:58] <stewie925> thanks for sharing that command - I know its python2.7 but couldnt 'prove' it :)


[17:07] <apw> infinity, it looks like somehting might be off in adt testing, cirtianly affecting all dkms tests, not sure if anything else triggers the "late install" section, but that seems to be only using the -release pocket
[17:12] <infinity> apw: That's intentional, see ubuntu-devel@lists ... But maybe it's a bit broken in some use cases?
[17:12] <apw> infinity, hmmm, but ... the auto-dep8 bits that it is installing dkms for arn't in there
[17:12]  * apw goes read
[19:36] <ponycorn> Hey guys, are there any plans to update the gpg iso signing keys? To my knowledge, 1024 bit DSA keys are not considered safe anymore?
[19:57] <cjwatson> ponycorn: we have a 4096-bit key ready for use, I think we may just have neglected to actually switch over to it
[19:57] <cjwatson> we wanted to sign with both keys for a while, I remember
[20:07] <ponycorn> thank you cjwatson, so will you start using it now? :)
[20:09] <cjwatson> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13230941/
[20:09] <cjwatson> it is on its way
[20:10] <cjwatson> everything new will be signed with that now; I'll go back round a bit later and re-sign existing files
[20:12] <cjwatson> need to update a bunch of documentation as well I guess :-/
[20:14] <ponycorn> Cooool, thanks a lot for your effort!
[20:15] <cjwatson> thanks for the reminder, this was rather belated configuration as you can tell from the key comment
[20:17] <ponycorn> does that mean you have the key since 2012?
[20:18] <Ukikie> Like LP 1331914? :D
[20:18] <Ukikie> Hrm, no bot.
[20:24] <ponycorn> well better late than never! I really appreciate the change :)
[22:09] <robru> Anybody around that knows how to trigger a touch image build? The option seems to have disappeared (at least for me) from iso.qa.u.c
[22:30] <cyphermox> robru: still need the rebuild? I can try to kick one off in a minute
[22:31] <robru> cyphermox: I'm not sure if it's ready right now
[22:31] <robru> cyphermox: but we still do need it shortly, yeah
[22:31] <cyphermox> ok. I used to have some access for this, I can try to see if it still works ;)
[22:32] <robru> cyphermox: I think it is ready, yeah. just needed that libphonenumber in the overlay.
[22:33] <robru> cyphermox: go for it
[22:33] <robru> if you can
[22:55] <yofel> could someone please try to refresh the kubuntu packageset? I added a large list of packages to supported to cover the kde sources
[22:56] <yofel> that's for xenial for now
[23:03] <Laney> yofel: DMB manages that, and it's re-run periodically
[23:04] <yofel> oh, that's periodic now? nice
[23:04] <yofel> guess I'll wait then
[23:05] <Laney> that's code for manual :(
[23:05] <Laney> but I'm going to do it soon
[23:35] <cyphermox> robru: ack
[23:37] <robru> cyphermox: oh did you do it?
[23:38] <cyphermox> robru: trying to
[23:38] <robru> cyphermox: thanks
[23:38] <cyphermox> no joy, what should it look like?
[23:39] <cyphermox> I think I may have only had access to touch the ubuntu-rtm images back then
[23:44] <robru> cyphermox: last time I had to build an image, iso.qa had "vivid" listed and you could click through to request ubuntu touch be built, but it's not there now: http://i.imgur.com/tvYrSWc.jpg so I have no idea how to do it
[23:47] <cyphermox> I was able to find an old Ubuntu Touch image from 20151016 under Vivid Daily, but I don't seem to have the requisite access.
[23:48] <cyphermox> stgraber: around? if you can help with spinning a Touch image for robru?
[23:49] <robru> it's for pmcgowan actually
[23:50] <cyphermox> for pmcgowan then, but he's not around here anyway
[23:52] <robru> cyphermox: just trying to make it clear the request is coming from higher up than me ;-)
[23:52] <cyphermox> sure, np :)
[23:53] <cyphermox> I certainly would help if I could, but I think we need someone with higher powers, like infinity or stgraber for this.
[23:54] <robru> cyphermox: yeah, I definitely used to be able to do this but something changed an it's not something I do regularly so I have no idea how long ago it changed
[23:55] <cyphermox> well, I suppose it might be useful sometimes for me to be able to do respins sometimes, so I'll need to see about applying to the release team, I think.
[23:56] <cyphermox> I can't type grammatically correct sentences apparently correct moo moo, right?
[23:56] <robru> cyphermox: sometimes
[23:56] <robru> ;-)
[23:57] <cyphermox> yes.


[00:20] <tgm4883> This might be a crazy idea, but is there any way to remove the monitor, click, and auditioner tracks/busses in Ardour 5?
[01:35] <Eickmeyer> tgm4883: Check in #ardour for specifics, but long-story-short, yes.
[01:36] <Eickmeyer> I only know how to remove the Monitor bus, but the other ones are hard-coded afaik. Again, check in #ardour.
[01:51] <tgm4883> Eickmeyer: thanks, checking there now


[13:16] <rbasak> jbicha: I think otto's view is that it's too much of a mess and not practical to have in good shape for Bionic.
[13:17] <jbicha> dropping an epoch when we're already in beta is a mess too
[13:19] <rbasak> I suspect that can't be done
[13:19] <rbasak> We'll just have to bump past it
[13:21] <jbicha> otto's email seems really confusing. He doesn't explain why 10.2 couldn't work for 18.04 LTS
[13:21] <jbicha> https://mariadb.org/about/maintenance-policy/
[13:21] <rbasak> Feel free to reply and ask!
[13:21] <rbasak> Otto has been looking after MariaDB in both Debian and Ubuntu for years
[13:21] <rbasak> So I generally default to trusting his opinoin.
[13:22] <jbicha> there's Debian bug 891641
[13:22] <ubot5`> Debian bug 891641 in ftp.debian.org "RM: mariadb-10.2 -- ROM, NPOASR; skipping this version, upgrade path is 10.1 -> 10.3" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/891641
[13:22] <jbicha> not sure why he emailed the ubuntu-quality list :|
[13:23] <rbasak> It's an edge case which he doesn't know how to handle in Ubuntu processes.
[13:23] <rbasak> Just reply to ubuntu-release@ or whatever.
[13:24] <rbasak> Note that Otto also has an upstream MariaDB hat.
[13:24] <jbicha> I'm replying…
[13:46] <foka> Hi!  I need help with getting golang-blackfriday (1.5.1-1) unstuck from bionic-proposed.  golang-blackfriday changed fixed (thus changed) its HTML output of footnotes, and so both golang-github-chaseadamsio-goorgeous and hugo had to be updated to a newer version to have their tests updated to match golang-blackfriday's new output.  I guess that's the reason the three packages somehow got stuck in the first place.
[13:48] <foka> For some reasons, https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/bionic/update_excuses.html#golang-blackfriday shows that golang-blackfriday isn't picking up the newer versions of golang-github-chaseadamsio-goorgeous (should be -2 instead of -1) and hugo (should be 0.37.1-1 rather than 0.35-1 and 0.37-2)
[13:50] <foka> So, I arrived here after reading this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration#How_could_installing_a_package_into_the_release_pocket_possibly_break_other_packages.3F
[13:53] <foka> The latest versions of these three packages, already in bionic-proposed, should work nicely with one another, and should pass the Autopkgtest.  Thank you very much in advance for your help!  :-)
[14:30] <ginggs> where did that foka go?
[14:35] <acheronuk> lol
[14:36] <ginggs> anyway, i retriggered those golang-blackfriday/hugo/golang-github-chaseadamsio-goorgeous test
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-stringtemplate3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [3.1-3] (no packageset)
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-cloudkittyclient [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.2.0-2] (no packageset)
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: python-pyghmi [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [1.0.32-3] (no packageset)
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: cloudkitty [amd64] (bionic-proposed/universe) [7.0.0-2] (no packageset)
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted cloudkitty [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [7.0.0-2]
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-menu [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.0-1]
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-menu [i386] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.0-1]
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-menu [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.0-1]
[23:39] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-notifications [arm64] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.2-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-notifications [i386] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.2-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-notifications [s390x] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.2-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-menu [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.0-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-menu [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.0-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-notifications [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.2-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-cloudkittyclient [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.2.0-2]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-menu [armhf] (bionic-proposed) [3.2.0-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-notifications [ppc64el] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.2-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted deepin-notifications [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [3.1.2-1]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-pyghmi [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [1.0.32-3]
[23:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted python-stringtemplate3 [amd64] (bionic-proposed) [3.1-3]


[00:04] <hehehe> hmm
[00:04] <hehehe> also Err http://mirror.pw trusty/main amd64 Packages
[00:04] <hehehe>   400  Bad Request
[00:04] <hehehe> that does not seems like any legitimate mirror site
[00:05] <hehehe> and i see thats while 16.04 box is poodle safe 14.04 is not https://access.redhat.com/articles/1232123
[00:06] <hehehe> https://access.redhat.com/security/cve/CVE-2014-3566
[00:06] <hehehe> but I did not had any redhat stuff
[00:06] <hehehe> lets encrypt certbot maybe?
[00:09] <hehehe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghJ6yAtnyg8
[00:55] <hehehe> ok done
[04:51] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:22] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:57] <hehehe> heya
[09:57] <hehehe> lordievader:  will it work to tar dir and all thats in it?
[09:57] <hehehe> tar cvpzf put_your_name_here.tar.gz .
[09:57] <hehehe> including . files
[09:59] <hehehe> hey pekkari
[10:00] <pekkari> hello
[10:24] <lordievader> hehehe: yes, tar can compress entire directories.
[11:39] <ahasenack> rbasak: around?
[11:39] <ahasenack> cpaelzer: you?
[11:41] <rbasak> ahasenack: o/
[11:41] <ahasenack> rbasak: hey, workflow question :)
[11:41] <rbasak> Sure!
[11:41] <ahasenack> rbasak: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25038821/ lines 7 (adds the patch) and 5 (removes it)
[11:42] <ahasenack> rbasak: in this case, the upstream fix was different than the patch, so I don't get a conflict during the merge
[11:42] <ahasenack> rbasak: how would I "cancel these out"? Where would I put the "empty commit"?
[11:43] <ahasenack> I just drop bc595c3 during rebase, and e4cf75b becomes the empty commit about the drop?
[11:43] <ahasenack> that's git log, btw, not git rebase (the pastebin)
[11:43] <ahasenack> so read it from bottom to top
[11:44] <ahasenack> I can push the branch if you prefer
[11:44] <rbasak> ahasenack: I would drop both commits during a rebase and make a note elsewhere that you've dropped it, for noting in the changelog when you prepare it later.
[11:45] <rbasak> ahasenack: oh, hang on
[11:45] <rbasak> ahasenack: which step are you on exactly?
[11:45] <ahasenack> rbasak: I rebased on new/debian
[11:45] <ahasenack> that's the bit that drops the patch
[11:45] <ahasenack> I'm just before merge-finish
[11:45] <rbasak> ahasenack: so the commit in line 5 is the inverse of the commit in line 7?
[11:45] <ahasenack> yes
[11:45] <rbasak> I think you've gone too far ahead.
[11:46] <rbasak> I'd expect those to not appear at all when viewing the logical tag.
[11:46] <ahasenack> I only detected that this patch is unecessary after getting the new package version
[11:46] <rbasak> Drop them while preparing the logical.
[11:46] <rbasak> Because logically they aren't there.
[11:46] <ahasenack> well, I didn't know that at that time
[11:46] <ahasenack> during logical I still didn't have the new samba version
[11:46] <ahasenack> at the samba version where the logical tag is added, that patch is necessary
[11:47] <rbasak> Oh
[11:47] <ahasenack> it's a case of "fix applied upstream, but in a different way"
[11:47] <rbasak> So logically it was there for that previous version, and the dropping of the patch didn't exist?
[11:47] <ahasenack> right
[11:47] <rbasak> OK, sorry.
[11:47] <ahasenack> the dropping came as a consequence of updating the package to a new upstream version
[11:47] <rbasak> So rebasing onto new/debian was successful, and still included that patch, but that causes the patch to no longer apply?
[11:48] <ahasenack> but upstream took another approach to the fix
[11:48] <ahasenack> no, the patch applies
[11:48] <rbasak> But the patch is now wrong?
[11:48] <ahasenack> but given that upstream fixes in a very different way, the patch is incorrect now
[11:48] <ahasenack> yes
[11:48] <rbasak> I see.
[11:48] <ahasenack> I'm full of corner cases :)
[11:49] <ahasenack> this is all about how it appears in d/changelog :/
[11:49] <ahasenack> so much work for that
[11:49] <ahasenack> the way it is now, merge finish adds the patch in "remaining changes" and under "* Drop:"
[11:49] <rbasak> I think the commits you have are correct then, and no need to change them.
[11:49] <rbasak> And you'll need to fix up the changelog by hand. I'm not sure tooling can ever be capable of understanding this kind of thing. Too many edge cases.
[11:50] <ahasenack> nish watches the commits vs changelog lines like a hawk :)
[11:50] <rbasak> As for how to do the changelog, I think it's subjective and I'd accept anything that explains it unambiguously, accurately and without misleading.
[11:51] <rbasak> I would probably not mention it in any standard section, but add a separate bullet explaining exactly what happened.
[11:51] <ahasenack> I'd would just remove it from "remaining changes" in d/changelog and leave the "Drop" entry with the explanation
[11:51] <rbasak> That's fine too
[11:51] <ahasenack> this is how it shows up under * Drop:
[11:51] <ahasenack>         - d/p/winbind_trusted_domains.patch: the correct fix was committed
[11:51] <ahasenack>           to upstream in https://github.com/samba-team/samba/commit/e084c423
[11:51] <ahasenack>           [ the correct fix was committed to upstream in
[11:51] <ahasenack>             https://github.com/samba-team/samba/commit/e084c423 ]
[11:51] <ahasenack> which I just see is duplicated
[11:51] <rbasak> I suppose it is straightforwardly a drop!
[11:51] <rbasak> (in the end)
[11:51] <ahasenack> I'd restore the original message that adds the patch,
[11:51] <ahasenack> and leave the [ explanation ]
[11:52] <rbasak> I think that's fine
[11:53] <ahasenack> ok, thx
[12:06] <jdstrand> hehehe: hey, went offline. re egree> typo. meant 'egress' (ingress filtering is incoming, egress is outgoing)
[12:06] <jdstrand> hehehe: oh, I see s arnold already responded :)
[16:36] <Epx998> Day 2 of trying to get my netboot initrd.gz created with everything i need
[16:55] <pmatulis> does an SSH login decrypt home directories (encryption option available during ISO install)? providing, of course, you've implemented a workaround for SSH login for encrypted home!
[16:57] <dpb1> what? :)
[16:57] <nacc> pmatulis: i think not by default, it needs some tweaking
[16:58] <nacc> pmatulis: see "Troubleshooting" at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[16:59] <nacc> pmatulis: basically, setup your keys to be outside the home dir
[16:59] <nacc> pmatulis: if so, then (i believe) pam will unlock your home dir
[16:59] <pmatulis> nacc, ok thanks
[17:00] <nacc> the i believe being for pam being the mediator of that decrypt, i'm not 100% on if it is
[17:00] <pmatulis> right, me either, hence my question
[18:09] <Epx998> Is there a way to change the default kernel installed from netboot?
[18:10] <nacc> Epx998: installed or used to netboot?
[18:11] <Epx998> nacc: I changed the kernel used in in netboot, but I am seeing whats installed is different, older.
[18:11] <nacc> Epx998: you'd need to presumably do it manually -- unless you mean you're using a newer ubuntu kernel?
[18:11] <Epx998> nacc: maybe the mirror its installing from is old
[18:12] <nacc> Epx998: could be
[18:12] <Epx998> nacc: I was hoping that whatever kernel I used in my netboot would be installed to the server, but I was wrong there.
[18:12] <nacc> Epx998: no, they are unrelated
[18:12] <nacc> Epx998: you would need to preseed that, if you want it
[18:13] <Epx998> nacc: that is what we were doing, was hoping to eliminate that step.  Do you know if the latest ubuntu mirrors used the latest kernel thats available for the distro?  or is a set kernel used regardless?
[18:14] <nacc> Epx998: well, they should be current, but you would also need to make sure you're telling your install to update from the mirror (there's a distinction between grabbing the iso files over the network when netbooting and performing upgrades after install)
[18:17] <Epx998> hmm
[18:19] <Epx998> nacc: you mean just an apt-get upgrade in late commands or something?  I do not see anything updates looking in the d-i options.
[18:21] <nacc> Epx998: i'm not 100% right now (and working on some other stuff)), but iirc, there is a prompt in the interactive install like 'download updates during install?'
[18:24] <Epx998> nacc: not shown in the preseed d-i options, I am not setting it and its not asking.  Ill test against an updated mirror and see what that gets me
[18:27] <nacc> Epx998: i mean, it should be pretty easy to preseed (as a late-command) something like `sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade; sudo apt autoremove`
[18:27] <nacc> Epx998: i thought the updates was preseedable, but maybe it's not (or maybe it's only a prompt on the desktop iso)
[18:31] <Epx998> ha while downloading installer components, I get the message "no kernel modules found because installer is using a kernel version different from whats available in the archive" sheesh
[18:32] <nacc> Epx998: yeah, that can happen with using a custom kernel
[18:32] <Epx998> nacc: I just used 3.13.0-66 on the installer, guess i can try older.
[18:34] <Epx998> guess I have to do this with 3.2.0-23-generic
[18:34] <nacc> Epx998: 12.04?
[18:35] <nacc> -66 seem like it's neither 12.04.5 or 14.04.1
[18:35] <Epx998> sadly.. by end of summer we'll finally be on 14
[18:35] <Epx998> I am using 3.13.0-66 on the installer
[18:35] <tarpman> Epx998: there are installers with HWE kernels included, aren't there? you shouldn't need to roll your own
[18:36] <Epx998> tarpman: not sure, I am just trying to match the installer with what I end up with
[18:37] <tarpman> Epx998: ubuntu-12.04.5-server-amd64.iso is running 3.13.0-32-generic
[18:37] <Epx998> tarpman: we have some new servers with intels x550 10gb cards, that need an more uptodate ixgbe driver, was hoping to build it into the netboot first and see the installer would transfer it over (if the start/finished) kernels matched.
[18:38] <coreycb> cpaelzer: fyi https://launchpadlibrarian.net/327345908/libvirt_2.5.0-3ubuntu10_2.5.0-3ubuntu11.diff.gz
[18:43] <tarpman> Epx998: oh, yeah. nacc's right, there's a preseed to tell it whether to install the original kernel or a HWE one. let me see if I can find that
[18:43] <tarpman> Epx998: or do you mean something even newer than -32?
[18:45] <Epx998> tarpman: I am using something newer, but I can use any version really
[18:46] <Epx998> I was trying to 0-66 since that was seemingl the latest, aside from the jump to 117
[18:48] <Epx998> tarpman: end goal is to get my compiled 5.1.3 ixgbe driver into the installer and os kernel modules, so far the driver seems to compile fine regardless - so any kernel can be used, though we run 0-44 or later on our build servers
[18:49] <Epx998> I see the installer deploying 3.2.0-92, so this mirror must be old that its using.  i dont know who maintains it, to get it updated either.
[18:49] <tarpman> Epx998: did you try a HWE netboot image i.e. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/trusty-netboot/ ? I *think* that ought to both boot and install the trusty HWE kernel
[18:50] <Epx998> let me check
[18:50] <tarpman> note that's /trusty-netboot/ not /netboot/
[18:51] <Epx998> I see its in the precise-updates, so its a trusty netboot that deploys precise?
[18:51] <tarpman> it's a precise netboot running the trusty kernel
[18:51] <tarpman> or rather the lts-trusty kernel.
[18:51] <Epx998> oh nice
[18:51] <Epx998> ill test it out, afk for lunch
[18:52] <sarnold> mm lunch
[18:53] <tarpman> I think that ought to work. the preseed in there is
[18:53] <tarpman> # If we're booting using the backported Trusty kernel, install it too.
[18:53] <tarpman> d-i	base-installer/kernel/altmeta	string lts-trusty
[18:53] <tarpman> which is the incantation I was trying to remember
[18:53] <tarpman> been a few years since I had to think about netboot stuff :)
[19:58] <Epx998> ok let me check this out\
[20:00] <Epx998> ah ok the 3.13.0-32-generic kernel
[20:09] <Epx998> oh hey - this has an updated version of the ixgbe driver
[20:10] <Epx998> 5.0.5 this might fix all my issues
[20:12] <Epx998> its also installing the 3.13.0-66 kernel
[20:21] <Epx998> hmm the final deploy has an older ixgbe driver, while it appeared netboot has a newer
[20:22] <Epx998> datascenter visit to test further
[20:22] <tarpman> that doesn't make any sense
[20:42] <Epx998> guess i was wrong, ixgbe is still the old 3.15
[20:44] <Epx998> this driver that ubuntu is shipping is from 2013
[20:47] <sarnold> quite the surprise that a disitrubtion from 2014 is shipping a driver from 2013 :)
[20:47]  * sarnold runs
[20:47] <sarnold> seriously though, no luck with the trusty HWE installers? :(
[21:01] <hehehe> helllo sarnold
[21:01] <sarnold> afternoon hehehe
[21:01] <hehehe> is there any sense in auditing changes in files?
[21:01] <hehehe> wont attacker disable it and delete logs?
[21:01] <hehehe> @tracing attack to see how it was done
[21:01] <hehehe> to fix holes
[21:02] <sarnold> hehehe: most sites ship audit logs and syslog and so forth off to a log server
[21:02] <hehehe> yes
[21:02] <hehehe> however if say someone gets in
[21:03] <hehehe> all you see is ip connection hmm
[21:03] <hehehe> on a certain port
[21:03] <hehehe> ok I am wrong
[21:04] <hehehe> if there is some exploit - before attacker gets root he would need to modify some files right?
[21:04] <sarnold> sometimes
[21:04] <hehehe> but then logs have to be shipped every 3 seconds
[21:04] <sarnold> continuously, not batched
[21:04] <hehehe> else if logs are shipped say once per hour attacker can delete them
[21:04] <hehehe> you mean every update is send as it happen?
[21:05] <hehehe> *sent
[21:05] <sarnold> yes
[21:05] <hehehe> ok that makes sense
[21:05] <hehehe> sarnold: what you mean by sometines
[21:05] <hehehe> sometimes
[21:05] <sarnold> not all exploits require modifyign files
[21:06] <hehehe> ok 1 would be guessing root passd
[21:06] <hehehe> passwd
[21:06] <hehehe> what else?
[21:06] <hehehe> root passwd guessing can be traced via syslog
[21:06] <hehehe> I can send you some blackberries by post :D
[21:07] <hehehe> I have some some here
[21:07] <hehehe> they are way nicer than bluberries
[21:08] <hehehe> and what if I use https://subgraph.com/sgos/ and install nginx  on it - making it a server
[21:08] <Epx998> sarnold: its using a old version of the ixgbe driver.
[21:09] <hehehe> folks question is - can all exploits be analysed and understood via audit logs?
[21:09] <hehehe> and yes how to set them up in a such way :D
[21:09] <sarnold> Epx998: which one, the original trusty kernels or even the HWE kernels?
[21:09] <hehehe> i might make fake crypto coins exchange
[21:09] <sarnold> Epx998-: which one, the original trusty kernels or even the HWE kernels?
[21:09] <hehehe> as honeypot :D
[21:10] <Epx998-> sarnold: I used the netboot installer that I was pointed to
[21:10] <Epx998-> sarnold: maybe I missed something that was said?
[21:10] <sarnold> Epx998-: I had just hoped that e.g. 14.04.5 installer would have an updated-enough driver for you; you'd stand a chance anyway..
[21:11] <hehehe> sarnold: u dont now?
[21:11] <hehehe> know :D
[21:11] <Epx998-> sarnold: yeah it was running 3.15 which is the same as the older precise kernels
[21:12] <Epx998-> I thought I had seen a 5.0.5 version, but during the install I loaded the ixgbe driver and it was the old one
[21:12] <sarnold> hehehe: no, I don't know, I only have one 10gb nic in the house, so finding the best drivers for it isn't exactly a priority. :)
[21:14] <Epx998> a bit frustrting - id think adding in a self compiled driver to netboot wouldnt be as undocumented as it is
[21:14] <Epx998> im kind of curious as to if 16 has an updated driver
[21:14] <hehehe> sarnold: what drivers!
[21:14] <hehehe> :D
[21:14] <hehehe> sarnold: I asked about setting audit logs in a way that detects all exploits
[21:15] <hehehe> 100% :D
[21:15] <sarnold> hehehe: oh I thought you asked about Epx998's problem
[21:15] <hehehe> nooo :D
[21:15] <Epx998> :D
[21:15] <sarnold> Epx998: does this help? it's from a random xenial kernel, not necessarily an installer kernel.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/25041712/
[21:15] <hehehe> whats the hardware details?
[21:16] <hehehe> sarnold: so do u know or you dont? :D
[21:16] <hehehe> and where are da rest of the people? in the bar? :)
[21:16] <sarnold> hehehe: it's impossible to write tight-enough audit rules to find all exploits
[21:16] <hehehe> sarnold: can you explain logic behind this statement?
[21:17] <Epx998> xenial ships with 4.x, latest from intel is 5.x
[21:17] <hehehe> to me it seems possible - we need to break all exploits in classes
[21:17] <hehehe> then its easier to analyse
[21:17] <sarnold> hehehe: it's a hunch based on the turing halting problem
[21:18] <hehehe> hunch...
[21:18] <hehehe> I prefer 100% logic
[21:19] <hehehe> to gain root access - people need to login to the server - so there will be login record with some ip - them something will happen
[21:19] <hehehe> time stamps can match stuff
[21:19] <sarnold> your view of 'root access' is too limited :)
[21:19] <hehehe> well go ahead and contribute
[21:20] <hehehe> instead of saying its impossible
[21:20] <hehehe> 100% hack proof server is reality I think
[21:20] <hehehe> but having said that btc-e.com got hacked many times but mostly minor hacks
[21:21] <hehehe> at very least I do have ideas - replicate database often
[21:21] <Epx998> I can hack proof any server
[21:21] <Epx998> <unplugs power>
[21:22] <hehehe> u are such sceptical people
[21:22] <hehehe> both of u :D
[21:22] <Poster> I would say you are irrationally optimistic
[21:23] <hehehe> well it can only be determined in a course of detailed howto discussion
[21:23] <hehehe> else its guesssing
[21:23] <hehehe> for example ubuntu 16.04 + html page
[21:23] <hehehe> hack than is tricky
[21:23] <hehehe> nginx did not have any zero days yet
[21:23] <hehehe> so nginx can be added
[21:24] <hehehe> maria db I am not sure if they did had zerodays exploits
[21:24] <Poster> you're going under the assumption that all vulnerabilties are widely known, which is not always true
[21:24] <hehehe> I know they are not known widely
[21:24] <hehehe> and some folks wont disclose them
[21:24] <hehehe> I did ask some hackers around too :)
[21:25] <Poster> how is it you expect to protect yourself from a vulnerabilty that you nor the software vendor is aware of?
[21:25] <hehehe> one insisted he can hack into almost any site
[21:25] <hehehe> Poster: pay company IT guys to check code
[21:25] <hehehe> security audit in house
[21:26] <Poster> yeah that gets done by many, but that team cannot find nor imagine everything
[21:26] <sarnold> defenders need to be perfect every time
[21:26] <sarnold> attackers just need to get lucky once
[21:26] <hehehe> like me
[21:26] <hehehe> well perfect logic :D
[21:27] <hehehe> and then they cant get lucky ever
[21:27] <dpb1> solution: 1) become and attacker 2) ??  3) profit!
[21:28] <Poster> I think your logic is flawed with perceptions of infallible programmers and/or code auditors
[21:28] <hehehe> well crypto currency exchanges need to have hot wallets
[21:28] <hehehe> coinbase and bitrexx and btc e hot wallets werent breached
[21:29] <hehehe> they would be amongst top wanted targets
[21:29] <Poster> you can certainly run with it, but assuming you are capable of perfection is not a good mindset if you are protecting anything important
[21:29] <hehehe> no need to assume, have to have a logical tested solution
[21:30] <Poster> you're assuming you can think of everything
[21:30] <hehehe> that may be fact
[21:30] <hehehe> i dont know yet
[21:30] <hehehe> but as I said no  one hacked coinbase
[21:30] <hehehe> how are they doing it?
[21:31] <Poster> probably many layers of security, monitoring and dilligence about keeping services updated
[21:31] <Poster> intrustion detection/prevention
[21:31] <hehehe> i would say monitoring probably
[21:32] <hehehe> and intrusion monitoring live
[21:32] <Poster> there's no magic switch you flip
[21:32] <sarnold> monitoring may be enough to let you write a really nice post-mortem when you apologize to your users
[21:32] <hehehe> sarnold: coinbase is not hacked
[21:32] <hehehe> :P
[21:32] <Poster> I don't see how that means they only monitor
[21:32] <hehehe> unlike swiss cheese sony
[21:33] <sarnold> nor would I be bold enough to ever make that claim about any service anywhere ever
[21:33] <nacc> yeah, what are you basing that off of, hehehe ?
[21:33] <nacc> a good hack is undetected still, possibly
[21:33] <hehehe> hot wallets - blockchain cant be altered
[21:33] <Poster> and for all we know they have breakins constantly but their layers of protection and monitoring stops them before they get too far
[21:34] <hehehe> if hot wallet is accessed - blockchain will show it
[21:34] <hehehe> and they cant alter blockchain easily :D
[21:35] <hehehe> or - if any site can be hacked - maybe do min security and thats it?
[21:36] <hehehe> also for example in ecommerce setup - payment gateway can allow auth only transcations
[21:36] <Poster> it's just a matter of finding a weakness somewhere, it could be server code, it could be dynamic code on a website, it could be a service unknowingly left open, it could be a default password somewhere
[21:36] <Poster> If you aspire to be in information security professionally, your current attitude will probably not let you be hired
[21:36] <hehehe> then u have to login to payment gateway site with factor 2 and manually approve charge :D
[21:36] <hehehe> lol hired?
[21:37] <hehehe> i simply want to secure boxes - 0 to do with been hired
[21:37] <Poster> assuming 2 factor authentication will keep someone out is also not a good assumption
[21:37] <hehehe> it cant be breached
[21:38] <hehehe> if you use old - not smart phone
[21:38] <hehehe> :)
[21:38] <hehehe> unless they use fake mobile mast
[21:38] <Poster> you're assuming that there is no vulnerability in the authentication system AND no other vulnerable service on the authentication system
[21:38] <Poster> or some other way in
[21:38] <Poster> I hope you bring your head out of the clouds
[21:38] <nacc> "cant be breached" is such bravado and has been proven false in the field so many times
[21:38] <Poster> best of luck
[21:39] <hehehe> Poster: ok fair enough
[21:39] <hehehe> but in coding and i dont know much about coding yet - they should be absolute logic?
[21:39] <hehehe> like print hello world
[21:39] <hehehe> that cant be hacked
[21:40] <hehehe> idea is to have code that follows absolute logic
[21:40] <nacc> if you mean the resulting binary
[21:40] <nacc> and it's written in C
[21:40] <nacc> and someone has already rooted your system, they can do all sorts of fun stuff
[21:40] <hehehe> maybe write code  in assembler then
[21:40] <hehehe> all of it
[21:40] <nacc> hehehe: ok, i think you're (again?) trolling a bit
[21:40] <hehehe> dude I am sure there is code that is 100% logical
[21:41] <hehehe> and 100% safe
[21:41] <hehehe> not all and not in all scenarioes
[21:41] <hehehe> scenarios
[21:41] <nacc> hehehe: you seem to think security is either already solved or easy; and I don't know why you think that
[21:41] <hehehe> well why do u think otherwise?
[21:41] <nacc> hehehe: because neither is true in the real world
[21:41] <hehehe> for example pgp 100% secure
[21:42] <hehehe> so already 1 valid example
[21:44] <nacc> good thing there weren't any security updates to gnupg (hint there were)
[21:44] <hehehe> or https://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/forum/website-is-never-100-secure-0158383/
[21:45] <hehehe> :)
[21:45] <hehehe> well
[21:46] <hehehe> they should be smarter
[21:46] <hehehe> so write ideal code
[21:46] <hehehe> *to
[21:46] <nacc> hehehe: alright, you are 100% a troll, i'm done.
[21:46] <hehehe> nah
[21:46] <hehehe> u just dont get it
[21:46] <hehehe> like people did not get tesla inventions
[21:46] <hehehe> in math its absolute
[21:47] <hehehe> absolute logic is possible mathematically
[21:47] <hehehe> plus dont u feel interested in such stuff?
[21:47] <hehehe> many people simply code to get paid - hence bugs
[21:47] <hehehe> or to get some fame, recognition
[21:59] <dpb1> you need to start here http://www.infosectoday.com/Articles/Intro_to_Cryptography/Introduction_Encryption_Algorithms.htm, or here https://gpgtools.tenderapp.com/kb/how-to/introduction-to-cryptography
[22:00] <Epx998> getting very frustrated with this damn driver
[22:09] <hehehe> for example - if there is 1 version of ubuntuserver
[22:09] <hehehe> and all volunteers 100% work on discovering bugs
[22:09] <hehehe> and its not like even top hackers can come up with 0 days exploits often
[22:09] <hehehe> they may use it and lose it
[22:10] <hehehe> if they use more than 5 or 6 they may have nothing left :D
[22:10] <hehehe> collective IQ is power
[22:11] <hehehe> but many coders want to write new code instead of securing existing one
[22:11] <hehehe> also AI beat some top chess players - it can also be tasked to analyse all potential holes
[22:18] <dpb1> you are off in fantasy land now.  hope it's nice there! :)
[22:36] <patdk-lap> that isn't even the issue
[22:36] <patdk-lap> the issue is the coders write new code cause they don't know how to secure the code
[22:36] <patdk-lap> so you get even more insecure code
[22:36] <patdk-lap> like most things on the web, verify your input data, how many times do we keep having injection vaunerabilities?
[22:37] <patdk-lap> kindof the same things with buffer overflows and stuff
[23:13] <Epx998> I think I got it working
[23:14] <sarnold> yeah?
[23:17] <Epx998> yeah maybe need to test with netboot on the 10gb card, but i saw the module with the 5.1.3 version of the driver at the kernel netboot post
[23:18] <Epx998> hmm i can change the interface at d-i
[23:28] <hehehe> folks
[23:28] <hehehe> https://diablohorn.com/2017/05/21/quantum-insert-bypassing-ip-restrictions/
[23:28] <hehehe> :)


[01:01] <TheLordOfTime> launchpad under timeout bugs or something?
[01:01] <TheLordOfTime> i'm timing out accessing my own user page.
[01:17] <wgrant> TheLordOfTime: There was a database glitch for about 5 seconds.
[01:18] <TheLordOfTime> wgrant:  okay, that explains the timeouts
[01:26] <TheLordOfTime> wgrant:  but the glitch has been resolved?
[01:26] <TheLordOfTime> so any timeouts from here on out are possible indicators of a pronlem?
[01:26] <TheLordOfTime> problem*
[01:27] <wgrant> Potentially.
[02:23] <lifeless> wgrant: 5s glitch?
[02:24] <wgrant> lifeless: Probably a network glitch, as we saw widespread random timeouts over a slightly less than 5 second period.
[02:24] <lifeless> wgrant: interesting; I didn't realise you could pin down a glitch to less than 10 seconds
[02:25] <wgrant> lifeless: All the OOPSes fell within a small window and I could see when the hanging queries started
[02:25] <lifeless> ah, of course, oops has per query granularity
[02:25]  * lifeless is clearly not on top from today.
[02:26] <wgrant> Most summaries can't tell you more than roughly timeout*2, but the detail can.
[02:33] <lifeless> s/from/form/
[10:01] <shadeslayer> My uploads to a PPA don't seem to be going through
[10:04] <StevenK> shadeslayer: Cronjobs were stopped so we could apply a DB patch, they'll be spinning up now
[10:04] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[10:05] <shadeslayer> StevenK: thanks!
[10:05] <shadeslayer> StevenK: will I need to reupload ? or do I just wait for LP to process the already uploaded stuff
[10:05] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[10:05] <shadeslayer> I got the email
[10:07] <wgrant> We won't drop uploads, but they can be delayed.
[12:06] <Saviq> hey, any idea why I couldn't push to lp:~unity-team/unity-api/trunk? the branch isn't there, I'm a member of the maintainer team...
[12:07] <Saviq> I get bzr: ERROR: Permission denied: "~unity-team/unity-api/trunk/": : You cannot create branches in "~unity-team/unity-api"
[12:10] <Saviq> make that */unity-api/* - can't push there, Permission denied...
[12:25] <wgrant> Saviq: Looks like it works fine now. Did you get someone to fix the branch sharing policy?
[12:25] <wgrant> it looks like the project was private in the past
[12:25] <Saviq> wgrant, yeah, did it myself, the sharing policy was b0rked
[12:25] <Saviq> wgrant, I don't think it was private, but was definitely set up wrong
[12:25] <Saviq> wgrant, thanks
[12:25] <wgrant> It has a commercial subscription, so someone was at least trying to do something non-public :)
[15:55] <TheLordOfTime> another db glitch?
[15:55]  * TheLordOfTime is getting timeouts on PPA pages now


[10:09] <bluesabre> > Unapproved: xfce4-taskmanager (focal-proposed/universe) [1.2.2-1 => 1.2.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[10:13] <Unit193> I hope you get the approval your wife never gave. :o
[10:14] <bluesabre> :o
[10:19] <Unit193> Nothing interesting packaging-wise I presume?
[10:31] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, just the usual standards-version, debian-compat, and R3
[10:31] <bluesabre> d/watch might need an update too, uscan failed
[10:31] <bluesabre> but I didn't feel like fixing that :D
[10:32] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Hide feh launcher, only used for ubiquity background (LP: #1872058) @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=6c788a85962def51c9ffe0c1b768ce447380146a (by Sean Davis)
[10:41] <Unit193> I should really finish up on thunar and that. :/
[14:33] <jphilips> Unit193: reminder for a new core image, as its been a week
[14:45] <jphilips> bug 1872307
[15:55] <jphilips> bug 1872313
[16:04] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-settings 4.14.3 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-settings-4-14-3-released-tp58318.html (by Sean Davis-6)
[17:13] <bluesabre> > Unapproved: xfce4-settings (focal-proposed/universe) [4.14.2-1ubuntu1 => 4.14.3-0ubuntu1] (ubuntustudio, xubuntu)
[17:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: the thunar release does have some welcome fixes, if you want to package that up, https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/NEWS
[17:22] <bluesabre> > Unapproved: xubuntu-default-settings (focal-proposed/universe) [20.04.1 => 20.04.2] (xubuntu)
[17:27] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Release xubuntu-default-settings 20.04.2 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=c4634fa6b7577aa4207b901152fc20b2cc6cbf56 (by Sean Davis)
[19:00] <krytarik> Looks like we're clear at the queue for now! >_<
[19:00] <krytarik> (Just got a few highlights at -release, that is.)
[20:02] <Unit193> jphilips: Doesn't specifically have to be a weekly, I don't want to wear my tester out. :3
[20:04] <bluesabre> krytarik: yup! Sometime this week is when they actually start getting strict with the queue... so if we have anything we need to land, let me know. :)
[20:06] <TJ-> FYI: 20.04 appears to work perfectly on new Lenovo E495 AND Ryzen 7 3700U based laptop; display/wireless/audio/video/interfaces/power all seem 100% working as expected
[20:11] <Unit193> TJ-: I'm sorry we couldn't make it more interesting for you!
[20:11] <TJ-> Please don't! I had enough with the DPMS-black-screen-on-resume bug!
[20:11] <TJ-> I'm just hoping it isn't lying in wait for me
[20:12] <TJ-> I've got 6 E495's on 20.04 so far so if there are issues I'm sure we'll find them!
[20:41] <jphilips> bluesabre: alex isnt willing to cherry-pick this into 1.8.x, but think it should be for xubuntu - https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit?id=8ee6f6601f1e8b465ee366238aa92ac74aba94e5
[20:42] <bluesabre> jphilips: that requires translations, so we really can't cherry-pick it into xubuntu easily
[20:43] <jphilips> bluesabre: translations freeze is in a week right?
[20:44] <jphilips> and aren't updated translations coming throughout the release?
[20:45] <bluesabre> Upstream project = upstream translations. It's harder to pull those in and maintain via patches. I'd rather convince alex to include them in 1.8.x, otherwise not have them.
[20:47] <bluesabre> That, and translations in LP are generally not as well maintained as those in Xfce projects (transifex seems to be much more popular)
[21:01] <jphilips> true, true
[21:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: or xfce is more popular than xubuntu ;)
[21:16] <Unit193> Or easier to get approval there.