[06:13] <Dr_willis> i think it dont assume much. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> i thought -t was needed or it just exited
[06:13] <ben325e> ?
[06:13] <ben325e> it screwed up last time?
[06:13] <carutsu> ben325e the edit of keyboard layout
[06:13] <ben325e> gotcha
[06:13] <Dr_willis> and theres' -t now   'i think also
[06:14] <Orange_1> README.build.gz  -- how do i read this file?
[06:14] <thev> well I want it to do it when my download is done :)
[06:15] <carutsu> well i tried again
[06:15] <carutsu> now it worked
[06:15] <carutsu> dont ask me what went wrong
[06:15] <carutsu> xD
[06:15] <Dr_willis> zmore whatever.gz
[06:15] <Dr_willis> or gunzip it first...
[06:15] <intelikey> thev  no you define a time with no options   but that's a time  not  a time-laps
[06:15] <Dr_willis> or try zless whatever.gz
[06:15] <Dr_willis> .gz = guzipped file.
[06:15] <intelikey> thev if you want a time-laps until shutdown use  -t
[06:16] <ben325e> congrats carutsu!
[06:16] <intelikey> thev best way to have one task start when another ends is to  string them.      wget <blah> ;shutdown
[06:17] <Orange_1> Dr_willis: thanks
[06:17] <thev> ooo... ok, so how do I know what task to tell it?
[06:17] <thev> I have a firefox download window up
[06:18] <ForgeAus> did I ever tell you how much I love krusader!
[06:18] <ForgeAus> its awesome!
[06:18] <intelikey> thev you can also test the exit status with the  &&  and  ||   string connectors.     this && that       that runs only if this was successful   || is the opisite.   man bash   for all the info you want on the supject.
[06:18] <ForgeAus> a bit like midnight commander for KDE...
[06:19] <SagaciousKJB> Well, the keys worked on the new accounht, although not perfectly.  They opened whatever app they corresponded with on the second xserver I have running
[06:19] <SagaciousKJB> They still don't work at al on this account.
[06:19] <ForgeAus> you can even cd to an ftp url!
[06:20] <ForgeAus> quickly at that
[06:20] <makuseru> how can i change the Default TCP Receive Window (RWIN)?
[06:20] <intelikey> thev hard to add a string to an already running process  but one could test the process tabel.         while pidof 'firefoxwhatever' ;do sleep 3 ;done && shutdown
[06:21] <SagaciousKJB> It seems like it's got something to do with the dual xservers running.   I'm not sure what I would look for in the xorg.conf for that, though
[06:21] <intelikey> aside from the name 'firefoxwhatever'  that string would work asis
[06:23] <SagaciousKJB> Dr_willis: Are you still there?
[06:26] <BenPA> !emac21
[06:26] <intelikey> going to test killall5 in an init script.
[06:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emac21 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:27] <Jucato> !info emacs21 | BenPA
[06:27] <ubotu> benpa: emacs21: The GNU Emacs editor. In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a-6ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 1969 kB, installed size 5904 kB
[06:28] <Bi||aBong> why the ati control don't run?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB,  huh?
[06:28] <SagaciousKJB> I'm not even sure who was helping me before now.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> SagaciousKJB,  i cant say that ive messed with 2 x servers going at the same time -- except the KDE-> SwitchUser-> new session stuff
[06:29] <SagaciousKJB> Well, no, not graphic terminals
[06:29] <SagaciousKJB> I'm using an Nvidia card with s-video out
[06:29] <SagaciousKJB> On the s-vdieo display is a separate xserver.
[06:30] <SagaciousKJB> I never could get TwinView to work for some reason.
[06:30] <jusama15> can someone help me install a wirless card???
[06:30] <SagaciousKJB> But, when I tested with the new user account, the input actions worked, they just opened on the wrong screen.
[06:30] <Bi||aBong> the ati control don't run, i need help
[06:30] <SagaciousKJB> However, on this account, they don't run at all.
[06:30] <jusama15> CAN anyone help me with ndiswrapper
[06:33] <genii> jusama15: There is a very good tutorial here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[06:33] <nonuda> !modem
[06:33] <ubotu> You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto
[06:33] <jusama14> CAN anyone help me with ndiswrapper
[06:34] <jusama14> how do i open file browser as root
[06:36] <Jucato> jusama14: Alt+F2, kdesu konqueror
[06:37] <Dr_willis> be carefull with        kdesu konqueror  :)
[06:38] <jusama14> my bad, running ubuntu, i was wondering if anyone here knew how to do it
[06:38] <jusama14> was asking around in ubuntu
[06:40] <Jucato> jusama14: gksudo nautilus
[06:40] <Jucato> jusama14: but people in #ubuntu will know better
[06:41] <jusama14> no one is able to solve it, that's why i came here
[06:42] <Aiwuu> well maybe someone here can help me... when im in XGL Session and i use glxinfo i get "direct rendering NO" this is normal?
[06:42] <Aiwuu> and when im in normal sessions i have a "yes" :S
[06:42] <firemonkeyballz> solve what?
[06:43] <firemonkeyballz> aiwuu sounds like its backwardsly set up
[06:44] <firemonkeyballz> bye all
[06:44] <firemonkeyballz> i tired
[06:47] <Aiwuu> ?
[06:49] <aliveuser> hi, is there a way to modify the character print after a key pressed??
[06:50] <intelikey> nope you can't have   killall5   in an init script   after the gui starts....    krap.
[06:50] <Skuller> !webcam
[06:50] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:51] <aliveuser> intelikey, did u answer me?? or it is to another person??
[06:52] <intelikey> aliveuser did you ask me something ?
[06:52] <allen84us> any1 know how to use poptop
[06:52] <allen84us> pptp server
[06:52] <allen84us> i need some guide
[06:52] <intelikey> hmmm !i
[06:52] <intelikey> that's not i
[06:52] <allen84us> wat?
[06:53] <intelikey> i answered you.   not i
[06:53] <allen84us> not wat?
[06:54] <AxlRose> how do u get amarok to play mp3s
[06:54] <intelikey> yeah that's right,  just keep hitin' it you'll keep feelin' fine.
[06:54] <allen84us> For playing MP3s you need the libxine-extracodecs package (from the Universe repository).
[06:54] <intelikey> AxlRose you install codecs ?   or an engine like xine  with the extra codecs
[06:55] <intelikey> !mp3 | AxlRose
[06:55] <ubotu> AxlRose: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:55] <Skuller> hey guys...can anyone help me with getting my 'Creative Webcam Vista Pro' webcam to work kubun?
[06:57] <intelikey> !webcam
[06:57] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[06:57] <me2win> !aiglx
[06:57] <ubotu> AIGLX (Accelerated Indirect GLX) is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Head to #ubuntu-effects for support.
[06:58] <allen84us> how to upgrade KE .3.5.6
[06:58] <allen84us> i'm using 3.5.2
[06:58] <Skuller> intelikey: i followed mos of the things there....i cant egt it to work
[06:58] <Skuller> get*
[06:59] <Jucato> aliveuser: you can only upgrade up to KDE 3.5.5 on Dapper
[06:59] <allen84us> can show me how?
[06:59] <Mena> intelikey, do you know a program enable windows to read ext3 under it and with utf8 support but not for fs-driver.org plz
[06:59] <allen84us> how to upgrade?
[06:59] <Mena> from*
[07:00] <Jucato> aliveuser: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-355.php
[07:00] <Mena> jucato, do you know ??
[07:00] <aliveuser> my question was this one, hi, is there a way to modify the character print after a key pressed??
[07:00] <Jucato> Mena: sorry no..
[07:00] <Mena> :( ok
[07:00] <Jucato> ??
[07:01] <Jucato> hm... that was strange...
[07:01] <intelikey> Mena e2fsexplorer.exe  iirc.
[07:01] <Mena> ok
[07:02] <intelikey> mena search the web for ext2 + explorer
[07:03] <intelikey> btw    ext3 = ext2 + journal
[07:03] <Jucato> hm...
[07:04] <intelikey> Jucato you doing all the op'ting or is that a script or what ?
[07:04] <Jucato> the first 2 were...
[07:04] <Mena> ok
[07:04] <Jucato> bah nvm
[07:04] <nixternal> hahahaha
[07:05] <nixternal> Jucato: you and ChanServ have a thing I see ;p
[07:05] <Skuller> !webcam >skuller
[07:05] <Jucato> heh
[07:05] <intelikey> yeah they been sleeping around for a long time now.
[07:05] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[07:06] <Jucato> sshhh
[07:06] <intelikey> ooops  ;/
[07:06] <Skuller> lol whas happ here?
[07:07] <ForgeAus> um I need some help with PATH and MANPATH
[07:07] <ForgeAus> how do I Append a new path to them?
[07:07] <intelikey> chanserv flirted with me,  i told er she wasn't my type...
[07:08] <ForgeAus> currently manpath is /usr/local/man:/usr/local/share/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/man I need to add :/usr/pkg/man
[07:08] <intelikey> ForgeAus export PATH="$PATH:/new/path"
[07:08] <ForgeAus> thanx
[07:08] <Rauk> sup all
[07:08] <intelikey> same process for man
[07:08] <Mena> Could the file ssystem make Games wouldnt work
[07:08] <Mena> system*
[07:08] <Mena> on Xp
[07:08] <Mena> ext3
[07:08] <Mena> :)
[07:09] <Dr_willis> Ive ran XP programs from ext3 drives using that ifs driver thang
[07:09] <Dr_willis> !ext3
[07:09] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[07:09] <intelikey> mena you have a game on an ext# fs and you are accessing it from windows trying to play it....     ?
[07:09] <Mena> yes
[07:10] <Dr_willis> Ive played several games that way.. and my mame roms.. and so forth. :)
[07:10] <Mena> ok
[07:10] <Dr_willis> only issue ive had is that the 'links' to files can mess things up
[07:11] <Dr_willis> I got a spare ext3 partition i use as a 'data swapping area' :) that way i dont have to worry about linux accessing the ntfs drives
[07:11] <Dr_willis> keep my mp3 and other stuff there.
[07:11] <Aiwuu> so nobody knows why i have direct rendering "no" in XGL session and Yes in normal ?
[07:13] <Dr_willis> Aiwuu,  i bet the forums/wiki may..
[07:13] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  nope.. slim. hair, i perfer Mr.Do.
[07:13] <intelikey> lol
[07:13] <Aiwuu> :S
[07:13] <intelikey> ok.
[07:13] <Dr_willis> Mr.DO is one of the more enterainign arcade games out...
[07:14] <Dr_willis> a bit more to it then most of the old classics.
[07:14] <Dr_willis> the NeoGeo Port is great also.
[07:14] <compilerwriter> Anyone know how to make certain I did this denyhosts thing correctly. I got a few error messages and I would like to be certain I actually have things up and running.
[07:15] <Mena> intelikey, if this tool work Explore2fs i dont know what to say then but thanksvery much :)
[07:15] <Dr_willis> Explore2fs isent quite as trasparent as that fs-driver.org thang.
[07:16] <Mena> but fs-driver doesnt support utf8
[07:16] <Mena> not yet
[07:16] <Dr_willis> heh.. you sure explore2fs does? :)
[07:16] <intelikey> Mena yes there is one with the e2 at the first and one with the e2 at the end of the name i prefered the prepended e2 over the appended e2 but they both work.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> you wont be able to play games from the drive with explore2fs I think.
[07:16] <Dr_willis> night all..
[07:17] <Mena> GT
[07:17] <intelikey> and no i'm not sure that either can play games...  i never tried that.
[07:17] <jusama14> whats better kubuntu or ubuntu?
[07:18] <Mena> i get error
[07:18] <jusama14> support wise
[07:18] <Mena> now with two games i tried
[07:18] <jusama14> many of the people on kubuntu seem to be assholes
[07:18] <dewey> jusama14, thet are the same
[07:18] <dewey> they
[07:18] <Morbo> jusama14: :(
[07:18] <dewey> just diff desktop wm
[07:18] <intelikey> jusama14  thanks...
[07:18] <Morbo> dewey: Different DE, you mean
[07:18] <compilerwriter> jucato are you able to help me out with denyhosts?
[07:18] <Mena>  :'(
[07:18] <jusama14> support wise, not the actual linux
[07:19] <intelikey> actually both tho   diff wm and de
[07:20] <intelikey> jusama14 use ubuntu.  we don't really want you in here anyway...  :)
[07:20] <Morbo> Well, different DE generally imples different WM
[07:20] <jusama14> haha
[07:20] <intelikey> is that answer enough for you ?
[07:20] <jusama14> fag..
[07:20] <Morbo> :/
[07:20] <Mena>  : ' (
[07:20] <intelikey> some people...
[07:21] <compilerwriter> intelikey: I need a little help verifying that I got denyhosts up and working correctly.
[07:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter  iptables -L               ?
[07:21] <intelikey> compilerwriter i know extreemely little about networking.
[07:22] <compilerwriter> intelikey Ok.
[07:22] <compilerwriter> Who can help with denyhosts?
[07:22] <c0nv1ct> that a firewall script or something?
[07:23] <compilerwriter> c0nv1ct it is used to help shore up security in sshd.
[07:23] <c0nv1ct> ahh i see, reading up on it now
[07:23] <intelikey> compilerwriter if no one in here can answer you,  sometimes you catch the guys in  ##linux  willing to tackle such.
[07:24] <compilerwriter> Stops dictionary attacks and such
[07:24] <c0nv1ct> true, if its not specifcally *ubuntu related, try the general linux channels
[07:24] <intelikey> i find that i do get more "networking" support from there.
[07:24] <hagabaka> i wish there was a game on the install disk
[07:25] <compilerwriter> will you be able to help c0nv1ct after some reading or shall I just head over to ##linux
[07:25] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: well, maybe, but i'd check the other chans anyway :P
[07:25] <me2win> !paste
[07:25] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:25] <compilerwriter> ok.  Query me if you think you have it.
[07:26] <c0nv1ct> i'm reading up on it anyway, cuz i'd like to lock down my ssh as well
[07:26] <c0nv1ct> i was just gonna limit it to the only IP i'd log into it with though
[07:26] <compilerwriter> Here is a link to an article I found and tried to follow.  I am just uncertain if I got it all correctly. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=254149&highlight=denyhosts
[07:27] <intelikey> c0nv1ct ssh itself can do that.   the configs are in /etc/ssh/
[07:27] <c0nv1ct> ah cool, thanks
[07:27] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: i was just gonna do it with iptables
[07:27] <me2win> anybody knowsome about beryl? when i type in beryl-manager i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9592/
[07:27] <c0nv1ct> but i'm lazy and havent bothered to do it yet
[07:28] <compilerwriter> My issue is that I occaisionally need to ssh from an IP that becomes known to me only after I connect with it.  Can just limit to ones that I know for certain.
[07:28] <intelikey> i'm lazy that's why i just configure ssh and don't worry about a firewall....  but quicktables is a script that makes setting up iptables simple enough that i can do it.
[07:29] <c0nv1ct> yeah, i got a firewall script i've had for a long time, to make things easy
[07:31] <c0nv1ct> using stateful filtering makes things easier on the outbound side.. doesnt get in the way
[07:33] <fuel> does ipod work properly with kubuntu ?
[07:33] <fuel> i connected my ipod and it is showing the used space wrongly
[07:33] <fuel> any ideas /
[07:33] <fuel> ?
[07:34] <intelikey> fuel i don't have one.  but i have some say it worked ootb and some say not at all.  so maybe the wiki  ?
[07:34] <intelikey> !ipod
[07:34] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[07:35] <intelikey> !rockbox
[07:35] <ubotu> rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for MP3 players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio.  See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!
[07:35] <fuel> well i dont even want to use it as a media player right now. i just want to use it as an external hard disc
[07:35] <Skuller> !sonicstage
[07:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sonicstage - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:35] <fuel> but it mounts in read only mode and even after editing out fstab i am getting the same problem
[07:36] <intelikey> fuel hmmm what fs is it ?
[07:36] <Skuller> i am having problems with my flash drive...it is read only when mounted and i cant change the permissions
[07:36] <fuel> ipod is fat
[07:37] <compilerwriter> c0nv1ct I am getting no joy on ##linux what do you think.
[07:37] <intelikey> is it mounting  ro   or just umask set to keep you from accessing ?
[07:37] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: have u looked into fail2ban as an alternative?
[07:37] <fuel> it mounts in ro mode only....
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> colby_:   sudo konqueror  then goto the /media  folder  rgith click on the usb drive icons and edit the permissios
[07:37] <c0nv1ct> apparently its available in the repos, and might be easier to setup for ya
[07:37] <fuel> now i tweaked and it mounts in rw
[07:37] <Linux_Galore> permissions*
[07:37] <fuel> however the used size shown is wrong for some reason
[07:37] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: thanx a bunch
[07:38] <compilerwriter> c0nv1ct: no never heard of it.  Was only told about denyhosts recently.
[07:38] <c0nv1ct> compilerwriter: i saw it referenced in the thread you pasted
[07:38] <me2win> can anyone help with a beryl problem (ubuntu-effects is dead)?
[07:38] <compilerwriter> I must have missed that part of the thread.
[07:39] <c0nv1ct> it was in the 3rd reply :)
[07:39] <c0nv1ct> it looks easier to configure
[07:39] <c0nv1ct> basically just blocks IPs in iptables after 5 failed attempts
[07:39] <Number2> hello i need help
[07:40] <Number2> make[2] : *** [/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.o]  Error 1
[07:40] <Number2> make[1] : *** [_module_/tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only]  Error 2
[07:40] <Number2> make[1] : Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-11-generic'
[07:40] <Number2> make: *** [vmmon.ko]  Error 2
[07:40] <c0nv1ct> !pastebin
[07:40] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:40] <Mena> intelikey, if you are free plz see this http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/projects/projects.htm
[07:40] <intelikey> fuel i didn't see anything on that wiki about just mounting an ipod...
[07:40] <Number2> omg you guys
[07:40] <c0nv1ct> Number2: looks like your vmware install is borked
[07:40] <Number2> i do not know what to do
[07:40] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: i tried the sudo konqueror...it still says i cant change the permission
[07:41] <c0nv1ct> Number2: try reinstalling vmware?
[07:41] <fuel> yeah... god knows .... the mounting process is a farce
[07:41] <intelikey> fuel gtkpod is mentioned a lot...
[07:41] <Number2> im trying to install for the first time
[07:41] <c0nv1ct> Number2: and disable that module in the mean time
[07:41] <fuel> they enable me to synchronize my music files with ipod.... however i just want to copy files
[07:41] <fuel> thats it..... just drag and drop
[07:41] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: tells me you have formated the drive as ntfs or hfs
[07:41] <fuel> and kde/linux shows me wrong size
[07:41] <c0nv1ct> Number2: strange, it installed without problems in my Kubuntu edgy
[07:41] <fuel> i suppose some problem with the driver or something
[07:41] <c0nv1ct> Number2: what version u got?
[07:42] <Skuller> Could not change permissions for /media/Skuller's Flash/System Volume Information/_restore{59C6BC0C-E1E1-42D6-9440-5CF1C21C2C09}/RP58/change.log.
[07:42] <Number2> 2.6.17-11
[07:42] <Number2> generic
[07:42] <c0nv1ct> Number2: version of vmware
[07:42] <intelikey> Mena ok...
[07:42] <Number2> 5.5
[07:42] <intelikey> what about it ?
[07:42] <c0nv1ct> Number2: 5.5.2?
[07:42] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: yes it is in ntfs...but i was able to use it n rite to it n everything b4....only today i saw the problem
[07:42] <fuel> even df shows me wrong statistics
[07:43] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: ntfs by default is read only in Linux, ntfs isnt documented
[07:43] <Number2> VMware-workstation-5.5.0-18463.tar.gz
[07:43] <fuel> how do i check the file system ???
[07:43] <c0nv1ct> Number2: try getting a newer version, it might help
[07:43] <Mena> intelikey, ok
[07:43] <Number2> ok
[07:43] <Number2> thanks
[07:43] <fuel> not checking literally.....for example what fs is hdb2 or something like that
[07:43] <intelikey> Mena is all you wanted, for me to see it ?
[07:43] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: then how was i able to write things to it just a while back?...i have not enabled fuse or anything like that either
[07:43] <c0nv1ct> Number2: it looks like 5.5.3 is latest, but 5.5.2 installed on my machine fine
[07:44] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: could be a corruption god knows, you can get ntfs to work to some degree but its very buggy
[07:44] <Number2> okay thanks
[07:44] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: just format it as fat32
[07:44] <Number2> i grabbed 5.5 its the only key i have
[07:44] <c0nv1ct> Number2: http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/
[07:44] <intelikey> fuel you can check the partitions type (which may or may not reflect actual fs type) by  fdisk -l
[07:44] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: hmm...i need to give somethings to one of my teachers...and obviously hes runnin xp....now what?
[07:45] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: fat32 is well documented ntfs isnt and it varies depending on what version of windows you have and what service pack is used
[07:45] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: xp works with fat32 just fine
[07:45] <Skuller> ohh....so i can rite in fat32 from kubun?
[07:45] <fuel> !pastebin
[07:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:45] <Mena> intelikey, yes but never mind i tried it its like fs-driver but also utf8 problem
[07:45] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: burn it to a CD?
[07:45] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: yes fat32 is fully documented
[07:45] <Skuller> oh cool
[07:46] <intelikey> mena ah i see.  sorry.
[07:46] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: that would be a waste wouldnt it?
[07:46] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: thanx
[07:46] <c0nv1ct> c0nv1ct: i guess it depends on how you are giving it to your teacher
[07:46] <fuel> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9595/
[07:46] <intelikey> Skuller writing to vfat is supported in linux yes.
[07:46] <Mena> intelikey, i realy searched again bec i need a program to enable me to explor my parts form windows explorer not from the program like explore2fs-1.08beta9.exe
[07:47] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: yes thats true....i think it would be appropriate to burn it for a teacher rather than a flash drive most cases....
[07:47] <Linux_Galore> Skuller: vfat/fat32 works on all platforms so its best to use that as a default, using ntfs for a thumb drive is over kill
[07:47] <Mena> intelikey, Never mind :) and Thanks if i need help i will ask :)
[07:47] <intelikey> fuel  lol
[07:48] <intelikey> don't know how to follow dirrections too well do we...
[07:48] <intelikey> sudo fdisk -l
[07:48] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: yea...that would be nice...thanx fer da info
[07:48] <intelikey> do not add the partition to the command
[07:48] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: thnx fer da info
[07:48] <intelikey> you can add the disk if you want to limit it to that disk
[07:48] <intelikey> but not the partition.
[07:49] <fuel> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9596/
[07:49] <intelikey> i.e.  fdisk -l /dev/sdb      would work.    fdisk -l /dev/sdb1   wont.
[07:49] <fuel> here is the biggest joke
[07:49] <firemonkeyballz> uhh the rtc package seems to be missing
[07:49] <fuel> du shows me only 1gb is used,
[07:49] <firemonkeyballz> at boot
[07:49] <firemonkeyballz> help
[07:49] <fuel> dh tells me 17GB is used
[07:50] <fuel> !
[07:50] <fuel> wtf x(
[07:50] <Skuller> Linux_Galore: i am using qtparted...it doesnt have the option of formatting to fat32...only 16...
[07:50] <Mena> intelikey, i just found the way to enable utf8 from the program :0
[07:50] <Mena> :)
[07:50] <c0nv1ct> fuel: what about df -H?
[07:50] <firemonkeyballz> anyone?
[07:51] <fuel> c0nv1ct: that also has been posted..... at the beginning
[07:51] <fuel> c0nv1ct: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9597/
[07:52] <fuel> du = 1.6 and df=18GB ? something definitely wrong
[07:52] <firemonkeyballz> uhh the rtc package seems to be missing...helllp!!!
[07:53] <Skuller> is it safe and right to format a thumb drive to fat 16 if it is to be used in both linux n windows?
[07:53] <c0nv1ct> fuel: how are you executing du?
[07:53] <intelikey> fuel    du -Lchx --max-depth=1 /media/iPod 2> /dev/null
[07:53] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: my thumbdrive says its fat16
[07:53] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: oh...so not fat32....
[07:53] <intelikey> fuel that might show the actual usage ?
[07:53] <Skuller> cool then..i'll do just that
[07:53] <fuel> intelikey:  whats the use of that ? you are putting all the stuff into null
[07:53] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: i guess you dont need fat32, depending on how big it is
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: mine was fat16 ootb
[07:54] <Skuller> 128mb
[07:54] <intelikey> fuel shows the limitation of your knowladge doesn't it.
[07:54] <c0nv1ct> i'd say fat16 would be fine, but i dont think it'll matter much
[07:54] <fuel> ?
[07:55] <Skuller> why cant i format a thumb drive in fat32 using qtparted?
[07:55] <Skuller> i mean a problem? or a limitation?
[07:55] <fuel> intelikey: same result
[07:55] <intelikey> Skuller why are youusing a partitioning tool to make a file system  ?
[07:55] <c0nv1ct> mkfs?
[07:56] <Skuller> intelikey: i have a situation. i need to get my flash drive to work on linux n windows thas all...what do i do to the flash drive?..it is curently in ntfs
[07:56] <firemonkeyballz> !rtc
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rtc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <intelikey> fuel then i'd have to have "hands on" to figure out what is going on...
[07:56] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: intelikey is right, u dont need to partition it, just format it
[07:56] <firemonkeyballz> !real time clock
[07:56] <Skuller> yes...under format i do it with fat16 right?
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about real time clock - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <PF-Away> i thought the x11-common package was fixed
[07:57] <PF-Away> !rtc
[07:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rtc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:57] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: sure, that'll work
[07:57] <intelikey> Skuller use windows to make it fat32
[07:57] <PF-Away> mkfs.vfat?
[07:57] <Skuller> ohh...ok..cool...thanx
[07:57] <intelikey> that's the simplest way to ensure that both can access it.
[07:57] <firemonkeyballz> pf sais its missing at boot
[07:57] <genii> skuller from linux: mkfs.vfat -F 32
[07:57] <Skuller> ohh
[07:58] <Skuller> how do i use that command?
[07:58] <genii> skuller But that may do you no good anyhow if the partition type still thinks it is NTFS.
[07:58] <intelikey> vfat should default to fat32 anyway.  but still you may end up with something that windows can't see   if you use windows to format it then windows can   and linux can too
[07:58] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: just like he typed, but add the device to the end
[07:58] <PF-Away> !feisty
[07:58] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help and support in #ubuntu+1 (NOT #ubuntu)
[07:59] <Skuller> c0nv1ct: what is to be added for the devie?
[07:59] <intelikey> Skuller something like    sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1        assuming sda1
[07:59] <c0nv1ct> yeah, whatever device it is labeled, and dont pick the wrong one :P
[07:59] <firemonkeyballz> hellllpppp
[07:59] <Skuller> ohh..ok..lol...
[07:59] <intelikey> Skuller use    sudo fdisk -l   to list the partitions/disks
[08:00] <firemonkeyballz> uhh the rtc package seems to be missing...helllp!!!
[08:00] <intelikey> then use the correct device.
[08:00] <fuel> intelikey: i did not look at "2" in your suggestion :D
[08:00] <intelikey> fuel obviously.
[08:00] <genii> skuller Best way actually is to boot into windoze, partition and format it there, as intelikey suggested. Linux will see it after that certainly. If you have for instance ntfs partition and fat32 filesystem, linux wuill not have issues mounting it (it cares not much about partition types if you specify filesystem explicitly) but windoze will not be able to reconcile different partition vs...
[08:00] <genii> ...filesystem on it
[08:01] <Skuller> ohh....ok then i'll def use windows
[08:01] <Skuller> thanx all u
[08:01] <intelikey> no body ever listens to me...
[08:01] <c0nv1ct> Skuller: yeah, to be safe, its a good idea
[08:02] <intelikey> maybe i speek  congeption   or some strange language....
[08:02] <Skuller> lol sorry man
[08:02] <genii> intelikey LOL
[08:02] <c0nv1ct> intelikey: its all clicks and whistles to me
[08:02] <intelikey> :)
[08:02] <intelikey> prezavtly.
[08:02] <Skuller> no offence...i was panicking
[08:03] <intelikey> prezactly.
[08:03] <genii> intelikey Well, we could walk him thru fdisk certainly but easier for a newbie to just do it all from in windoze for simplicity
[08:03] <Skuller> yea
[08:03] <intelikey> genii and also the blanking of the first sector so windows doesnt' panic anyway...  but why not do it the easy way...
[08:03] <firemonkeyballz> am I dead?
[08:03] <miltos> hi ppl:-]
[08:04] <Skuller> intelikey: what is the easy way?
[08:04] <intelikey> !rtc
[08:04] <c0nv1ct> firemonkeyballz: maybe, punch yourself in the balls to see
[08:04] <miltos> Where on hell is the KDM theme manager on my Kubuntu?
[08:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rtc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <intelikey> Skuller do it from the windows side.
[08:04] <Skuller> yea...lol..i got that now..
[08:05] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz   there is an   rtc module in the kernel
[08:06] <intelikey> what rtc are you talking about ?
[08:06] <firemonkeyballz> how did it go missing?
[08:06] <firemonkeyballz> at boot
, any ideas where can I find kdm theme manager?
[08:06] <intelikey> show me the error
[08:06] <c0nv1ct> miltos: its in the repos
[08:06] <genii> rtc= real time clock yes?
[08:06] <firemonkeyballz> cant unless I setup loging of boot
[08:06] <c0nv1ct> miltos: apt-get install kdmtheme
[08:06] <intelikey> !theeme
[08:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about theeme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:07] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz it's not in  dmesg   or  /var/log/* ?
, i've installed it already, how can i start it?
[08:07] <intelikey> !theme
[08:07] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:07] <fuel> intelikey: any idea how to find the fs of a drive ?
[08:07] <c0nv1ct> miltos: kcontrol, go to System Administration
[08:07] <fuel> i seriously doubt that this ipod(my friends) is vfat
[08:08] <intelikey> fuel   if  sudo fdisk -l    doesn't tell you    try mounting it...
[08:08] <fuel> mtab tells me its vfat
[08:08] <miltos> i can't find kcontrol...
[08:08] <intelikey> fuel without actually looking into the device node that's the simple way.
[08:08] <c0nv1ct> miltos: just right click on desktop and click "Run"
[08:09] <c0nv1ct> miltos: then type kcontrol
[08:09] <intelikey> miltos   alt+f2   kcontrol
[08:09] <c0nv1ct> miltos: yeah, or run it from a console
[08:09] <miltos> thanks...
[08:09] <firemonkeyballz> looking
[08:09] <c0nv1ct> kcontrol doesnt seem to be in the menus, probably replaced by the System Settings app
[08:09] <intelikey> console != [konsole,terminal]
[08:10] <intelikey> genii eyh
[08:10] <Aiwuu> i will back tomorrow :), because... i need to solve my beryl problem XD:)
[08:11] <intelikey> take over for me.
[08:11] <miltos> is there any way to put kcontrol on my system menus?
[08:11] <intelikey> kmenu-editor
[08:12] <intelikey> kmenuedit
[08:12] <compilerwriter> my auth.log file is getting rather large.  Can I remove it and then the system will create a new one or what should I do?
[08:12] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes it will
[08:13] <Skuller> !voip
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <genii> compilerwriter: Yes it will just auto-remake it
[08:13] <Skuller> !voicechat
[08:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about voicechat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:13] <intelikey> compilerwriter auth.log is where login information is stored   so servers rotate the auth.log on a schedual and keep compressed backups.
[08:13] <genii> !ekiga | Skuller
[08:13] <ubotu> skuller: ekiga: H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.3-0ubuntu3.1 (edgy), package size 3582 kB, installed size 12568 kB
[08:14] <Skuller> genii: ohh...i have another problem...we use credit card to use yahoo messenger's voip capabilities...any way to use that?
[08:14] <miltos> thanks...leaving
[08:14] <Skuller> genii: thnx btw
[08:14] <compilerwriter> intelikey Does Kubuntu rotate it automatically for me or should I manage it with a cron job?
[08:14] <intelikey> failed login info   maybe i should say
[08:14] <genii> Skuller There are others such as Skype and GizmoProject but they are not in the main repositories since not open-source, which ekiga is
[08:14] <intelikey> compilerwriter yes
[08:15] <intelikey> compilerwriter it's a cron job   "logrotate"
[08:15] <Skuller> genii: yes i have skype..but i dont use it because it is expensive to use for calling india...i use yahoo messenger..any way to use that protocol for calling normal fones?
[08:15] <compilerwriter> Intelikey so I should just let it be as it is already handling itself
[08:16] <intelikey> ls /etc/cron.daily/
[08:16] <genii> Skuller: I am not aware of any Yahoo to VOIP bridge as of yet.
[08:16] <Skuller> genii: ok...i have to make frequent visits to windows for this reason anywaiz....thnx fer the info
[08:16] <intelikey> can be tweeked from there
[08:16] <intelikey> if you wish.
[08:16] <compilerwriter> I have a logrotate entry.  I should just stop worrying then.
[08:16] <genii> Skuller: np
[08:18] <intelikey> compilerwriter   edit /etc/logrotate.conf
[08:18] <intelikey> as seems you well.
[08:18] <genii> Skuller Incidentally GizmoProject has same computer-to-phone capability as Skype, but you need to register the remote phone number to their network first to connect for free (where physically possible)
[08:19] <intelikey> mine is set to keep 4 weeks of backups.  i think that's still default.
[08:19] <firemonkeyballz> umm not even my acpi is running
[08:19] <firemonkeyballz> because of it
[08:19] <Skuller> genii: i dint get you
[08:20] <Skuller> genii: are you telling me i can call a pstn for free?
[08:20] <genii> Skuller There is a program called GizmoProject. It is basically a clobe of Skype. If you have a phone number which is added to their network by registering a user name to it, you can use the computer to make a telephone call to that telephone number for no cost.
[08:21] <compilerwriter> intelikey That is the default still.
[08:21] <genii> Skuller Yes
[08:21] <firemonkeyballz> bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:5 in /dev
[08:21] <firemonkeyballz>    ...fail!
[08:21] <Skuller> genii: and i presume it would cost to register the number
[08:21] <genii> Skuller: I call from here in Toronto to my friend in Hawaii often for free by using GizmoProject client in fact.
[08:22] <genii> Skuller No, there is no cost involved in registering anything.
[08:22] <Skuller> genii: i dont understand..then how am i allowed to call a pstn number for free?
[08:22] <Skuller> genii: ok..i'll researhh on it more on the net
[08:23] <genii> Skuller:More info here: http://www.gizmoproject.com/
[08:23] <intelikey> what is that a wacom tablet ?
[08:23] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz the major 136 nimor 5 device ?
[08:23] <intelikey> sounds like wacom
[08:24] <genii> Skuller The rates they list on the site are only if you are calling an unregistered phone number btw
[08:24] <firemonkeyballz> have a acer 5100 tho
[08:24] <firemonkeyballz> not sur if its my modem
[08:25] <Skuller> genii: ohh...
[08:25] <Skuller> genii: yea i m looking more on the site...thnx
[08:25] <genii> Skuller: np
[08:26] <Skuller> genii: damn...india is not one of those countries to be called for free
[08:26] <genii> Skuller :(
[08:28] <intelikey> !skype
[08:28] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[08:28] <intelikey> what's that other...
[08:29] <intelikey> !frostwire
[08:29] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[08:29] <intelikey> that's what i was thinking of..  nm.
[08:30] <Skuller> i presume that ekiga doesnt allow to call msn users
[08:32] <Elvis_Presley> !es
[08:32] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:32] <Elvis_Presley> :(
[08:32] <Elvis_Presley> :D
[08:34] <genii> Skuller: Generally for anything not voip I use GAIM which does most types of instant messaging
[08:34] <Skuller> genii: oh thas good...i am using kopete for non-voip services
[08:34] <Skuller> genii: altho i still cudnt get my webcam to work on kubun...frustrating
[08:35] <genii> Skuller: kopete is also well recommended. I use GAIM mostly because I have different platforms and it is available for may operating systems, so it is a consistent interface no matter what machine I am on
[08:36] <Skuller> genii: yes...the interface part is a good thing about it.....
[08:37] <intelikey> hmmm   wengophone - SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features
[08:38] <intelikey> in the repos..
[08:38] <intelikey> anyone ever used it ?
[08:40] <userund> intelikey, nope, I don't know anyone who has it I can call with it.  But it intrigues me...
[08:41] <genii> yes I just found that one as well but never heard of or seen it before now
[08:41] <intelikey> yeah that does seem to be a trend.  there are a quentillion apps that may or may not be "most excellent" but we don't know cause they are never used by anyone...
[08:43] <intelikey> i figure if you are going to streach it      then                                                                                S-------------------------------------T------------------------------------R---------------------------------E-------------------------------A---------------------------C-------------------------------H------------------------ IT.
[08:43] <stuart_> !can someone please advise general principles of port forwarding using a firewall such as firestarter
[08:43] <userund> !firewall
[08:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:43] <genii> !info gnophone
[08:43] <ubotu> Package gnophone does not exist in edgy, edgy-backports, edgy-seveas
[08:44] <stuart_> !firewall
[08:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[08:44] <genii> Darn too bad. Digium makes it
[08:44] <intelikey> firestarter is the configuration tool   iptables is the firewall.
[08:44] <stuart_> when enabling an inbound connection on a port or range of ports.... eg. to allow bittorrent to work. What are the implications?
[08:45] <userund> well I for one am going to break the mold and try wengo.  I'd really like a cross-platform VoIP with video.  I was looking at possibly buying Skype credit and liked new features like sending SMS for versions > 2.2, but then saw Linux version was still on 1.3...
[08:46] <stuart_> waylandbill: r u here?
[08:46] <stuart_> intelikey: when enabling an inbound connection on a port or range of ports.... eg. to allow bittorrent to work. What are the implications?
[08:47] <intelikey> stuart_ sorry you want the network guy.
[08:47] <intelikey> i'm the  fs guy
[08:48] <stuart_> intelikey: fs?
[08:48] <intelikey> if i knew i'd tell ya.   if genii would stop hiding he might know.
[08:48] <firemonkeyballz> now would I log boot?
[08:48] <intelikey> fs = file system
[08:49] <stuart_> ah ok
[08:49] <stuart_> so who might be able to help do u think
[08:49] <genii> stuart_ You can port-forward the bittorrent ports from your router to a box on your network without any worries
[08:49] <intelikey> stuart_ genii might.
[08:49] <genii> intelikey I had too many channels open to find the right one immediately :)
[08:49] <intelikey> :)
[08:50] <stuart_> genii: i;m confused in general - to the point my router has firewall disabled :)
[08:50] <stuart_> genii: but firestarter is at least running
[08:50] <genii> stuart_ Does your computer or your router login to your ISP?
[08:51] <stuart_> genii: having a hardware and software firewall -- do they conflict or can they happily coexist
[08:51] <stuart_> genii: yes - permanent ADSL connection
[08:51] <genii> stuart_ In most cases they can coexist without issues
[08:51] <stuart_> genii: so you would have to open the same ports on both
[08:51] <genii> stuart_ So your router is doing the ADSL login part?
[08:52] <stuart_> genii: i have a username and password that the modem/router has been configured for yes
[08:52] <stuart_> genii: maybe i should just ask you about firestarter...
[08:53] <intelikey> some times the wiki's show a great deal of ignorance.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftPhone   <<< example one.   the commands    # sudo su -  "should be" sudo -i  "but is entirely useless, not needed for an apt-cache search..."  and even if it was needed...   sudo apt-cache search   would be prefered  rather than remaining in a root shell...
[08:53] <genii> Stuart_ OK that is what I needed to know :) So the router itself is getting the IP number from your provider in this case. Your computer gets an internal IP from the router. So you need to port-forward the ports from outside (internet) on your router to the IP of your computer. On the computer side you do not need to do anything after this as far as port twiddling etc
[08:54] <userund> no time like the present to correct it, intelikey ;)
[08:54] <intelikey> userund go ahead.  i'm not regestered with ubuntu
[08:54] <userund> nor am I.
[08:54] <stuart_> genii: to get a service to work by ocnfiguring firestarter... i have option of enabling a port or a range of ports. Also there is the "allow connections" and "allow services" options
[08:55] <stuart_> genii: is the concept of opening a port under firestarter the same as port forwarding for a router?
[08:55] <genii> stuart_ For firestarter in conjunction with the port-forwarding of the router then, enable the bittorrent range (I forget the exact numbers)
[08:55] <firemonkeyballz> eh im just going to redo my bootscripts via adept
[08:56] <genii> stuart_ Bittorrent ports: 6881-6999
[08:56] <jean-b> hi everybody
[08:57] <userund> err don't you mean 6889?  that's a hell of a lot of ports to open for BT.
[08:57] <jean-b> i've read here http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php that the last version of amarok was available
[08:57] <jean-b> so according to the above mentioned web site
[08:57] <Bearcat> I had a "How the heck does kubuntu do that?"  moment tonight.  I saw incremental searching with totals in konqueror with totals in the search plug in. Try as i might i can't get my machine to do that and my machine is compiled from source. How does kubuntu do that??
[08:57] <stuart_> genii: so which of the firestarter options to use? The allow service "knows" what ports to open for bittorrent and opens a big range. Am i better (safer?) to enable a single port via the "allow connection from host" option (which then asks me for an IP host or network and I'm not sure what to enter).
[08:57] <jean-b> i put to commands in konsole
[08:57] <jean-b>  wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:58] <jean-b> and sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[08:58] <genii> userund 6889 Is top end of old range. Newest range ends now at 6999 as of bittorrent 3.2 onwards
[08:58] <jean-b> i added this source deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-145 edgy main
[08:58] <jean-b> and then what?
[08:58] <Jucato> jean-b: "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:59] <stuart_> genii: also. when not using bittorrent should i disable those ports. If the portsd are open for bittorrent versus open for host what r the security implications?
[08:59] <genii> stuart_ Your router will only allow that range thru to your internal IP. Then firestarter will pass those ports onto bittorrent client. There is little chance of an exploit
[08:59] <jean-b> i'll try that jucato
[08:59] <intelikey> as for VoIP  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ekiga  ekiga still seems to be the "prefered" app.
[08:59] <stuart_> genii: that's if i allow the bittorent service rather than generally open the ports via that "host" option???
[09:00] <jean-b> i already did update and upgrade
[09:00] <genii> stuart_ Yes
[09:00] <jean-b> but not dist-upgrade
[09:00] <Bearcat> intelikey: i like twinkle
[09:00] <stuart_> genii: so opening a port other than via the "allow bittorrent service" option is more risky?
[09:00] <intelikey> Bearcat you use it much ?
[09:01] <Bearcat> intelikey: nope. I can;t get my bluetooth headset working. I lost the charger :(
[09:01] <genii> stuart_ Precisely. Firestarter will do a simple examination of the packets to see they are really for bittorrent clients and not some attempt to hack in. On the router it is just a range with UDP to pass to the internal IP
[09:02] <intelikey> nobody uses wired headsets anymore...
[09:02] <Bearcat> intelikey: do you know what i'm talking about with the search plug in and how to enable that? I'm flummoxed.
[09:02] <jean-b> Jucato: i've got 4 upgrade, but none of them is amarok
[09:02] <stuart_> genii: ok, so on the router I port forward those ports that firestarter chooses to open when I select the enable bittorrent service option?
[09:03] <intelikey> search plug in    blue tooth ?
[09:03] <Bearcat> intelikey: no in konqueror
[09:03] <intelikey> or maybe i should just say no.
[09:03] <userund> intelikey, I'd love to find a wireless 'phone' like a few available for skype and just keep all my normal calls over a wengo or ekiga.  I don't think any work in Linux though.
[09:03] <anger> salut a tous
[09:03] <intelikey> Bearcat call jucato.  konqueror is his specality
[09:03] <userund> anger, bonsoir
[09:03] <jean-b> salut anger
[09:03] <userund> !fr | anger
[09:03] <ubotu> anger: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:04] <Bearcat> intelikey: if you type cat in the search plugin the drop down gives you cat (2000), catalog(500), catsup( 900) or something. My distro does not do that. :(
[09:04] <genii> stuart_ Yes. The bittorrent client afterwards may choose to open some other port but initially the standard range in from the router only will be used to initiate the service.
[09:04] <jean-b> Jucato: it did not upgrade amarok
[09:05] <intelikey> Jucato see Bearcat ?
[09:05] <stuart_> genii: thanks. Do you recommend enabling the router firewall? Is it the 2 layers (hardware and software) that is better than 1 or is the router firewall "better" than something like firestarter?
[09:05] <Bearcat> See Bearcat run? Run Bearcat Run?
[09:05] <intelikey> patients...........
[09:06] <Bearcat> it was a joke on the old learning to read books
[09:06] <Bearcat> something in your phrasing reminded me of htem
[09:06] <Bearcat> them
[09:06] <intelikey> spot
[09:07] <Bearcat> yup
[09:07] <jean-b> need help to install last amarok from http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php
[09:07] <intelikey> spot was the dog in our first readers    see spot run
[09:07] <genii> stuart_ Just being behind a router (with or without it's own firewall) will drop all incoming traffic that was not initiated from a machine on your internal network(unless you have specified a DMZ machine for instance).So the firewall on the router is not so neccesary.
[09:07] <Bearcat> intelikey: that;s right. adn Dick and jane.
[09:08] <stuart_> genii: thanks very much :)
[09:08] <intelikey> stop you're making me feel old
[09:08] <genii> stuart_ You are welcome :)
[09:08] <intelikey> that was half a century ago
[09:08] <intelikey> well almost
[09:09] <intelikey> dont make me run over you with my wheel chare and hit you on the head with my cain.....
[09:09] <intelikey> chait
[09:10] <intelikey> chair
[09:10] <intelikey> seat damn it
[09:10] <genii> They say typing is one of the first things to go...
[09:10] <Bearcat> lol
[09:10] <Bearcat> well i'm only 34
[09:10] <intelikey> it is ont
[09:10] <intelikey> nto
[09:10] <intelikey> not
[09:11] <intelikey> actually there are three sure signs of old age
[09:11] <genii> intelikey From what I can glean you are slightly (but only slightly) older than me
[09:11] <intelikey> 1. the memory starts to fail.
[09:11] <cptnspoon> a/s/l
[09:11] <simon__>  Hey Jean what's your problem with amorock ?
[09:11] <intelikey> 2.
[09:12] <genii> cptnspoon LOL This is not a dating channel
[09:12] <intelikey> genii i think we have been over this.  and yeah.  i'm not 50 yet,   but it's approaching much to quickly for my taste
[09:13] <userund> 50 is the new 40
[09:13] <akrus> hey
[09:13] <intelikey> which was the new 30
[09:13] <akrus> could someone recommend webcam software? :D
[09:13] <genii> intelikey Well I'm hitting 40 this year and just thinking about it seems to make me feel old
[09:13] <intelikey> !webcam
[09:13] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:13] <akrus> wow
[09:14] <genii> So if life expectancy is like 80 should I get a midlife crisis at 40?
[09:14] <genii> LOL
[09:14] <intelikey> yeah and if i remember number 2.  i'll tell you.
[09:15] <intelikey> 1. the memory starts to fail.
[09:15] <intelikey> 2.
[09:15] <intelikey> ......
[09:15] <genii> intelikey Yes, I caught the irony of not remembering # 2 already
[09:15] <genii> 3) Repeating things
[09:15] <intelikey> oh did i say that already ?
[09:15] <Skuller> lol
[09:15] <intelikey> :)
[09:16] <genii> :)
[09:16] <intelikey> ty for falling in and finishing the joke for me.
[09:16] <Skuller> :)
[09:16] <genii> intelikey np
[09:16] <Skuller> 2) remembering things in the middle of other things
[09:17] <intelikey> no that's not it.
[09:17] <Skuller> damn..i knew this point was for some other thing
[09:17] <Skuller> :)
[09:17] <genii> intelikey You and I are likely the only ones here that ever saw a computer that didn't use a monitor or keyboard actually
[09:18] <eos> whoa
[09:18] <intelikey> when you start to the rest room and don't remember if you were going or done been.  then you know age has sliped up on you.
[09:18] <Skuller> hey...don fly too high...i've seen a PDA ok..so chillax it
[09:18] <eos> that shti is olschool yo
[09:18] <Skuller> lol
[09:18] <eos> REAL oldschool
[09:18] <intelikey> genii could be.
[09:18] <userund> genii, I've seen 'em... in black and white photos
[09:18] <eos> i mean, like ENIAC or the Mark V
[09:18] <genii> LOL
[09:18] <eos> wow
[09:18] <eos> have not remembered those in a long time
[09:19] <eos> i did a school research paper on them once
[09:19] <Skuller> yea...ENIAC...usin shit many vaccum tubes wich went bad faster than ur dogs flea collar
[09:19] <genii> eos The first machines I ever laid my hands on were PDP9 and PDP11 as well as an old IBM 3930 and a VAX
[09:19] <Skuller> hehe true
[09:20] <eos> i'd have to wiki that to know what they were
[09:20] <intelikey> well i remember when the "pocket calculator" made it's de'beau ...
[09:20] <eos> my first compy was an apple II
[09:20] <genii> eos Yeah they were cool :)
[09:20] <eos> yeps
[09:20] <eos> i lsot mine fast, but wanting it back and trying to fix it set me one the path i'm on today
[09:21] <eos> little kids breaks computer easily, yo
[09:21] <eos> especially something as easily messed up as an older computer like an apple II was
[09:21] <genii> eos I understand. I used to terrify my parents by disassembling anything I ever got for gifts
[09:22] <Bearcat> night all
[09:22] <Bearcat> thanks again
[09:22] <genii> Bearcat Sleep well :)
[09:22] <Bearcat> *scampers off*
[09:23] <Bearcat> thank you
[09:23] <genii> eos I remember the AppleII, the Atari 400 and the Commodore Vic20 all had 6502 CPU
[09:24] <genii> It was common to get a 5 1/4 disk with AppleII game on one side and VIC20 game on the other side
[09:24] <eos> i want to get a commodore 64
[09:24] <eos> for old timey ness sake
[09:25] <eos> :O a new word or two!
[09:25] <genii> eos Damn I just gave my ancient c64 away not a month ago actually.That and a 128
[09:25] <eos> damn
[09:25] <eos> i think there are likely emulators about for them
[09:25] <intelikey> yes there are
[09:25] <genii> POKE 53280,0:POKE53281,0:POKE646,1
[09:25] <genii> ROFL
[09:26] <eos> right now getting this kubuntu install stable (as far as runnign smoothly it is stable, has been out of the box os to speak) and set up for convenience
[09:26] <eos> basically all the comforts of windows without the windows
[09:26] <eos> iv'e tried linux again and again
[09:26] <eos> debian, breifly, and then a lot of suse
[09:27] <genii> The C64 emulators are pretty good.They ran my old games right off the disks perfect
[09:27] <eos> an ubuntu install that would have went better if i had internet access at the time
[09:27] <intelikey> !find xmame
[09:27] <ubotu> Found: kxmame, xmame-common, xmame-gl, xmame-sdl, xmame-svga (and 2 others)
[09:27] <genii> !basilisk2
[09:27] <ubotu> basilisk2: 68k Macintosh emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.9.20050730-1 (edgy), package size 268 kB, installed size 784 kB
[09:27] <genii> :)
[09:27] <eos> someday i imagine i'll get around to looking up a C-64 emulator
[09:28] <intelikey> i thought i just did
[09:28] <genii> eos I played "Impossible Mission" for days
[09:28] <intelikey> !info kxmame
[09:29] <ubotu> kxmame: A KDE frontend for xmame emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.91-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 348 kB, installed size 1444 kB
[09:29] <genii> I think it may have been the first ever game with voice synthesis on a home computer actually
[09:30] <genii> !info vice
[09:30] <ubotu> vice: The Versatile Commodore Emulator. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.19-1 (edgy), package size 3231 kB, installed size 8832 kB
[09:31] <intelikey> doesn't mame do commodore ?
[09:31] <intelikey> i'm sure it does.
[09:32] <genii> intelikey I think it's more for strictly old-school games whereas vice does the whole computer
[09:32] <waylandbill> versatile and commodore in the same sentence ?!?
[09:32] <eos> from what i see in wiki Impossible Mission is somewhat like Crystal Caves, whihc was my first video game
[09:32] <eos> it looks cool
[09:32] <genii> waylandbill Actually they were way ahead of their times. You should have seen the technical reference book that came with them
[09:33] <eos> also, from wiki: "The Commodore 64 version of Impossible Mission will be one of the games available on the Wii's Virtual Console."
[09:33] <waylandbill> I owned one of the first lines of Vic20, then the c64 and the c128 actually.
[09:33] <intelikey> waylandbill c64's were a big thing when they came out....   now one of them and a buck two ninty five will get you a soda pop
[09:33] <eos> rofl commodor 64 for a pop
[09:34] <waylandbill> you were something in your neighborhood if you had a c64.
[09:34] <saw2434>  Is there a way to tell what video you card you have once you're running kubuntu?
[09:34] <genii> Interestingly Some swedish guys oveclocked some 6510 chips (C64 core) to 8Mhz when the original speed was something like just under 1 Mhz
[09:34] <intelikey> waylandbill yeah.  we called it "rich"
[09:34] <waylandbill> :)
[09:35] <waylandbill> I'm sure I paid the same for that as this laptop. :-D
[09:35] <intelikey> saw2434   lshw | less
[09:35] <genii> saw2434: lspci result should show some lines with ATI or NVidia or other videocard maker in the result someplace
[09:35] <genii> intelikey even better :)
[09:35] <saw2434> thanks, i know i have nvidia i just forgot how old it was
[09:35] <eos> hmm and here i came up with k menu >> system settings >> display >> hardware tab
[09:36] <intelikey> waylandbill but wages were less than a third what they are now... so you paid  3X as much for it.
[09:36] <genii> eos More than 1 way to skin a cat (not that I have anything against cats of course)
[09:36] <akrus> !webcam
[09:36] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[09:36] <eos> commandline is sexy
[09:36] <genii> akrus As well most webcams work well with Kopete
[09:37] <intelikey> peal the bark off of a felion ?
[09:37] <akrus> genii: they do, but no sound :o
[09:38] <genii> akrus I'm more of a networking guy so not much help there
[09:38] <saw2434> does anyone happen to know off hand if a nvidia  geforce2 mx/mx 400 video card with run with beryl?
[09:38] <c0nv1ct> saw2434: it probably will, but not all that fast
[09:39] <intelikey> !beryl
[09:39] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:39] <intelikey> might ask ^ in there
[09:40] <Compleja> :(
[09:40] <intelikey> (:
[09:40] <saw2434> thanks
[09:41] <waylandbill> mmm. over the falls in a beryl.
[09:41] <waylandbill> I must say. The family likes closing windows that burst into flame.
[09:41] <intelikey> beryl over fails ??? what
[09:42] <waylandbill> over fails. hehe :-O
[09:42] <genii> I haven't even tried bothering with beryl yet. All my stuff works great as-is
[09:42] <waylandbill> was referencing niagara falls. noone survives them in a barrel... or a beryl I guess.
[09:42] <intelikey> i have a gui running.   but i haven't been in it for hours....
[09:43] <genii> I hope AMD opens up some old ATI source code for drivers. We'll all be better off
[09:43] <intelikey> of course not. waylandbill
[09:43] <genii> intelikey For irc in commandline whats your preference? I like ircii
[09:44] <intelikey> genii i really can't see how that will help me.  but if you say so.
[09:44] <intelikey> bx
[09:44] <intelikey> epic
[09:44] <Compleja> :(
[09:45] <waylandbill> bitchx is the last irc I've used in cli. It's been a long time though
[09:45] <genii> intelikey Well, most beryl/GL issues currently seem to deal with itinerant ATI drivers or cards and there are only binary drivers etc etc
[09:45] <intelikey> but it's more about the defaults than anything else.   irssi and epic/bx can both do the same things in the same basic ways....
[09:45] <waylandbill> genii: now that I can agree with.
[09:46] <waylandbill> I'm thinking about trying beryl out on my nvidia desktop.. on a /real/ video card.
[09:47] <intelikey> oh my   a real one.... where did you get that ?
[09:47] <genii> LOL
[09:47] <waylandbill> :)
[09:48] <intelikey> this nvidia riva 128 works just fine for all i don in the console....
[09:48] <intelikey> s/don/do/
[09:48] <waylandbill> it does make this ati card look like someone is hand drawing the pixels.
[09:49] <intelikey> that would be different.
[09:49] <Compleja> :(
[09:49] <firemonkeyballz> ummm had to re install
[09:49] <firemonkeyballz> and umm damn clock
[09:49] <firemonkeyballz> its like saying its 8am in the morning
[09:49] <firemonkeyballz> when its near one am
[09:49] <firemonkeyballz> so yea it was the rtc
[09:49] <intelikey> Compleja are you just frowning for the camera, or do you have something borked up ?
[09:50] <firemonkeyballz> intelikey is this a perm bios error?
[09:50] <genii> When most of my computers were Windoze based I was a great proponent of ATI. A bit because they were a Canadian company too, but they did make great stuff. But somehwere they went astray andwere slow to support linux. Any newer boxes now that I would have to put a video card in I would use an NVidia
[09:50] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz more like a ztconfig error.   run "sudo txconfig"
[09:51] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz the time is correct   for  utc   so set your tz correctly
[09:51] <Compleja> intelikey, for the camera
[09:51] <Compleja> xD
[09:51] <Compleja> :(
[09:51] <intelikey> ok.  just checking
[09:52] <Compleja> ^^
[09:52] <waylandbill> if you set it to utc, you won't have to worry about setting it for daylight silly time. :)
[09:52] <firemonkeyballz> 6.06 kubuntu no have txconfig
[09:52] <firemonkeyballz> have to use nano
[09:53] <intelikey> tzconfig
[09:53] <intelikey> z not x
[09:53] <firemonkeyballz> oops
[09:53] <firemonkeyballz> well it sais its la usa
[09:53] <firemonkeyballz> and i live in sf
[09:53] <firemonkeyballz> soo
[09:54] <firemonkeyballz> umm
[09:54] <firemonkeyballz> k
[09:54] <genii> waylandbill: Yeah my hw clock is always set to UTC
[09:54] <genii> PST I believe is San Fran timezone
[09:54] <intelikey> mine too.  but i do remember kde pitchin' a hissy fit about it.
[09:55] <genii> perhaps greenwich -8 or so
[09:55] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz in a konsole do   date
[09:55] <firemonkeyballz> uhh date is fine
[09:56] <intelikey> do date and  hwclock match ?
[09:56] <firemonkeyballz> now it sais 6:54:47 hst
[09:56] <intelikey> did you run date ?
[09:56] <genii> Isn't that Hawain timezone?
[09:56] <intelikey> did you run hwclock ?
[09:57] <intelikey> no you are still fighting with kde.
[09:57] <firemonkeyballz> sais 10:56:56 pm hst
[09:58] <firemonkeyballz> on hw clock
[09:58] <miltos> I've got an *.iso file on my external hd, how do I mount the image?  I typed 'sudo mount /media/usbdisk/alt.binaries.cbt/Suse_01.iso /media/iso/ -t iso9660 -o loop
[09:58] <miltos> " and nothing happens...
[09:58] <genii> hst = utc-10  pst=utc-8  <-- you want PST
[09:59] <intelikey> k the clock needs set.  do this       sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org && sudo hwclock --systohc
[09:59] <firemonkeyballz> couldnt I do a systohc
[09:59] <intelikey> the screen saver will probably come on
[09:59] <genii> miltos put -t and -o switches between mount command and first path.  In component main, is optional. Version 1:4.2.0a+stable-9ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 256 kB, installed size 464 kB
[10:15] <intelikey> waylandbill actually it "start your day ah hour eariler to save daylight"    dst
[10:15] <Ayabara_> I just started to use kubuntu instead of ubuntu, and used adept for the first time now. It asks if I want to upgrade to Feisty. Is Feisty stable enough that I should answer yes to that?
[10:15] <firemonkeyballz> no have edgy
[10:16] <genii> firemonkeyballz: Well, ntp is across all dists :)
[10:16] <firemonkeyballz> intelikey im sure they will rewrite their programs to reflect the date
, nothing...and i've got an iso 9660 fs....
[10:16] <waylandbill> intelikey: forward, back, makes no difference. :)
[10:16] <firemonkeyballz> some Ive noticed only read from the server
[10:16] <genii> miltos ! minute and I will look into it
[10:16] <genii> 1 minute, even
[10:16] <firemonkeyballz> rebooting
[10:16] <firemonkeyballz> brb
[10:18] <waylandbill> intelikey: now that I agree with
[10:18] <intelikey> it's more acurate than an atomic clock.
[10:19] <genii> miltos When you do:  sudo ls -l /media/usbdisk/alt.binaries.cbt/Suse_01.iso   what size does it report for the file?
[10:19] <intelikey> why are you using sudo ?
[10:19] <intelikey> pfft !
[10:19] <genii> intelikey Because I forgot if ls needed it or no so put it in for good measure
[10:20] <genii> LOL
[10:20] <intelikey> a likely story.
[10:20] <genii> <-- Not enough caffeine
-r-x------ 1 miltos miltos 586981376 2007-03-10 10:29 /media/usbdisk/alt.binaries.cbt/Suse_01.iso
[10:20] <genii> miltos OK wait a minute
[10:21] <intelikey> looks like an iso to me.    sudo mount -o loop /media/usbdisk/alt.binaries.cbt/Suse_01.iso /media/cdrom
[10:22] <genii> miltos The file is incomplete. According to the suse site it should be more like 670Mb not 580
[10:22] <intelikey> ah partial...   wget -c
[10:22] <genii> waylandbill Thanks btw :)
[10:22] <miltos> ok...i will try another one
[10:23] <firemonkeyballz> ok.. now stable enough to change stuff
[10:23] <genii> miltos First you should make sure the download did not fail due to lack of room on hd
[10:23] <waylandbill> genii: no prob. you got the second cup, cause I took the first for myself :P
[10:23] <genii> (or same thing will just keep happening)
[10:24] <waylandbill> and not a bad idea to check the md5 checksum when the download is complete.
thanks...I'll check this...even there is plenty of room on HD
[10:24] <firemonkeyballz> gahhh time changed again
[10:24] <firemonkeyballz> date too
[10:24] <genii> miltos Yes, since you are already using a linux box for the download you should run the md5 checker on it against the md5sum Suse provides
[10:25] <genii> intelikey I remember downloading packages *just* put up which timestamps were in the future (from my own time locally) and it would complain of martians LOL
[10:26] <miltos> thanks...I will be back...
[10:26] <intelikey>
[10:26] <firemonkeyballz> yey !!! convieniently named
[10:26] <firemonkeyballz> ntp
[10:26] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[10:27] <firemonkeyballz> found in adept
[10:27] <intelikey> ntp = network time protical
[10:27] <genii> firemonkeyballz: So just pick a tick server (ntpd server) in your timezone and you are off to the races
[10:28] <intelikey> server doesn't need to be local
[10:28] <intelikey> can be but they all post utc time
[10:29] <genii> intelikey Well, better if closer
[10:29] <genii> latency etc
[10:29] <intelikey> better if fast and reliably, reguardless of where
[10:29] <genii> intelikey True
[10:30] <intelikey> i get good response out of the usn navy time server
[10:31] <genii> Yeah any .mil tld is good
[10:31] <intelikey> but i don't recomend it for general every day use
[10:31] <intelikey> pool.ntp.org
[10:31] <intelikey> well enough for what we do    maybe a little weller
[10:36] <genii> Since I am thinking of it atm, for those who hate having to run firefox under wine to see shockwave: http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
[10:37] <genii> intelikey Well, regardless, I think it is a good way to pressure them etc
[10:37] <intelikey> :)
[10:38] <ict> hello
[10:38] <intelikey> File: aliases           Col 0              46 bytes                         100%# Added by installer for initial user
[10:38] <intelikey> root:   x
[10:38] <ict> im beginer in kubuntu
[10:39] <intelikey> ict and you are proud of that ?    or do you have a problem you'd like help with ?
[10:39] <genii> LOL
[10:39] <genii> ict If you have some question you would like help with, just ask your question :)
[10:40] <firemonkeyballz> wheee
[10:40] <intelikey> sorry his grasp of english may not translate that very will
[10:40] <firemonkeyballz> just found two linsys routers with no protection
[10:40] <ict> help
[10:40] <ict> im indonesian
[10:41] <ict> ada yang indo
[10:41] <genii> firemonkeyballz: I used to change all their router default paswords.Then I'd put the essid something like "SECUREYOURROUTER"
[10:41] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[10:42] <firemonkeyballz> changed a neghbors password few years bck
[10:43] <intelikey> you guys really don't need to talk to me about this.
[10:43] <genii> Hmm isn't indonesian language malay? I cannot atm remeber the countrycode for it
[10:43] <firemonkeyballz> grr... zeroconf closed
[10:43] <genii> intelikey Were you once a hapless victim of a hacked router? LOL
[10:44] <firemonkeyballz> need zeroconf running
[10:44] <intelikey> no but i don't want to have to do paper work on you .
[10:44] <genii> heh
[10:44] <genii> <-- wears a white hat
[10:46] <intelikey> so that's why i said.
[10:46] <intelikey> what i said
[10:47] <intelikey> when i said it.      ya know.
[10:48] <naught101> has anyone recently cd-installed feisty and noticed that a lot of packages are crashing really frequently? ie. firefox, and wesnoth?
[10:50] <intelikey> naught101 two is not a lot.   #ubuntu+1 is the channel for alpha software and related chatter
[10:51] <intelikey> i.e. feisty
[10:51] <e1mer> hi all, is there a kernel smp package for 386?
[10:51] <intelikey> e1mer ther 386-generic is smp
[10:52] <e1mer> thanks intelikey
[10:52] <Jucato> !generic
[10:52] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[10:52] <intelikey> smp support is ready in all "generic" marked kernel packages
[10:54] <iz0awg> ciao
[11:01] <intelikey> :)
[11:02] <Jucato> O.o
[11:02] <intelikey> Jucato we're off topic again ?
[11:02] <Jucato> -_-
[11:02] <intelikey> i was afraid of that
[11:05] <firecrotch> Okay, I'm trying to recover a previous version of a file that I had worked on in Kate
[11:05] <intelikey> ls the path look for filename~
[11:06] <firecrotch> I opened the file from my webserver via FTP from Kate's Open dialog, then saved it directly back to the server
[11:06] <intelikey> filename filename~    filename~ would be the backup
[11:06] <Jucato> I don't think Kate saves backups of remote files
[11:06] <firecrotch> Problem is, the only place it was ever stored was a temp folder somewhere
[11:07] <genii> The backup file would likely be then in the home directory of the user on the webserver which Kate was ran as
[11:07] <firemonkeyballz> oohoooh
[11:07] <firemonkeyballz> think I fixed my clock
[11:07] <intelikey> that would be ~/.kate~filename    maybe
[11:08] <firecrotch> genii: Kate was ran on my computer, opening a file from my webserver
[11:08] <firemonkeyballz> sudo hwclock --hctosys   --hctosys dunno why this worked
[11:08] <intelikey> but i don't think you'll find that unless kate crashed.  if you closed it it cleaned up after itself
[11:08] <firemonkeyballz> but it did
[11:08] <firemonkeyballz> the time matches
[11:08] <genii> firecrotch so if a backup was made then it would be on the local computer inn the format intelikey described eg: ~/.kate or similar
[11:09] <firemonkeyballz> :D
[11:09] <intelikey> possably /var/tmp/*    could be.
[11:09] <firecrotch> Thanks, everyone, I'll start looking, hopefully there is something somewhere
[11:10] <intelikey> firecrotch not likely.
[11:10] <intelikey> but tre bon chance
[11:10] <genii> yes /var/tmp may hold some files like that as well eg: beginning or ending with tilde)
[11:10] <firemonkeyballz> hey
[11:10] <firemonkeyballz> guys
[11:10] <firemonkeyballz> I fixed it
[11:11] <intelikey> hay
[11:11] <genii> firemonkeyballz: Congrats LOL
[11:11] <firemonkeyballz> did you see how
[11:11] <intelikey> wont hold through a reboot but    yay !
[11:11] <firemonkeyballz> damn
[11:11] <genii> firemonkeyballz: Yes, you told it to use the hardware clock as the system clock
[11:12] <firemonkeyballz> well screen went blank
[11:12] <intelikey> actually to set the system clock by the hwclock
[11:12] <firemonkeyballz> but i pressed space
[11:12] <firemonkeyballz> everything went back to normal
[11:12] <intelikey> yep that's normal when the sysclock changes
[11:13] <firemonkeyballz> u sure this wont hold?
[11:13] <intelikey> no
[11:13] <intelikey> but i'll be ya half of nothing it wont.
[11:13] <intelikey> if you loose we'll go dubble or nothing on the nextone
[11:14] <firemonkeyballz> dare I reboot?
[11:14] <intelikey> s/be/bet/
[11:14] <intelikey> s/nextone/next one/
[11:15] <bentob0x> it seems that my login screen is in 1024x768, that once I enter my password, it brieffly goes onto 800x600 to finally get my resolution at 1280x1024, is this possible?
[11:15] <intelikey> i must be getting tired again
[11:15] <intelikey> bentob0x yep
[11:15] <bentob0x> or s/xt/x t/ intelikey
[11:15] <intelikey> bentob0x both do the same thing.
[11:16] <bentob0x> sorry s/to/t o/
[11:16] <bentob0x> yes but there is less to type with mine ^^
[11:16] <intelikey> on  that line   ^     and yeah.  i knew what you were driving at.
[11:16] <bentob0x> hehe
[11:17] <intelikey> not if you typo it like you did  :)
[11:17] <bentob0x> ok back to the resolution, you told me that it is possible, how can I get it to stick with 1280x1024 all the time?
[11:17] <bentob0x> haha 'touch'
[11:18] <firecrotch> Well, I can't find anything at all as far as a backup, but thanks for the help everyone
[11:18] <intelikey> bentob0x set it in the kmenu to the desired setting     that wont affect a momentary click when kde starts but the end result should be good.
[11:18] <firecrotch> Moral of story: don
[11:18] <intelikey> yeah   don
[11:18] <intelikey> :)
[11:19] <firecrotch> don't trust anyone else to make backups
[11:19] <firecrotch> Stupid apostrophe being next to the Enter key
[11:19] <intelikey> so it's  don's fault ?
[11:19] <intelikey> it's all don's fault.
[11:19] <firecrotch> yep!
[11:20] <kraut> moin
[11:20] <intelikey> kraut
[11:20] <firecrotch> Oddly, I work with a guy named Don, who we always blame when stuff is messed up
[11:20] <kraut> moin intelikey
[11:20] <firecrotch> So I do blame Don!
[11:20] <intelikey> so it is all don's fault.
[11:20] <Forge> yay I helped someone! ... lol
[11:21] <intelikey> Forge good on ya mate
[11:21] <intelikey> way to be
[11:21] <Forge> from ##Linux channel... about oh well evince (I'd have preferred kpdf of course)
[11:21] <Forge> they needed to make a .doc out of a pdf that wasn't opening in openoffice
[11:21] <firemonkeyballz> someone owes me fake money
[11:22] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[11:22] <intelikey> firemonkeyballz do you pay when you bet ?
[11:22] <firemonkeyballz> still has the same time
[11:22] <Forge> is firemonkeyballz anything like chocolatesaltyballz?
[11:23] <firemonkeyballz> har
[11:23] <JohnFlux> Forge: less salty
[11:23] <Forge> lol
[11:23] <Forge> its ok I'm not black... but I believe your supposed to stick em in your mouth and suck 'em... at least according to South Park
[11:23] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[11:24] <bentob0x> is the login resolution written anywhere in a file?
[11:25] <intelikey> bentob0x /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:25] <Forge> bentob0x, I'm not entirely certain but its related to your xorg.conf
[11:25] <firemonkeyballz> umm they should disable the close button on the zeroconf service
[11:27] <firemonkeyballz> daymn have 499,000kb free
[11:27] <firemonkeyballz> no way im going to go over on my swp
[11:28] <Forge> I'm enjoying interix lately, and I've added pkgsrc to my kubuntu :) opens up its potential some, also probably potential for problems too
[11:30] <firemonkeyballz> daymn have 499,000kb free
[11:30] <firemonkeyballz> no way im going to go over on my swp
[11:31] <intelikey> what's that supposed to mean ?
[11:31] <firemonkeyballz> only using about 300mb of ram
[11:33] <intelikey> i doubt that you are using that much.   you could be  but prolly not.
[11:33] <bobbyd> hi
[11:33] <genii> Wasn't there some plan to separate out out the kdm with something like kdmenu or something? I have some vague recollection
[11:34] <bobbyd> how can I configure the multimedia keys on my keyboard to trigger specific commands? The keys are working, I want to do something like "xmms --fwd" when I press the "next" key.
[11:35] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/388868 firemonkeyballz
[11:35] <intelikey> bobbyd in kde khotkeys
[11:36] <genii> intelikey Useful script btw
[11:36] <intelikey> bobbyd at the console level it's a little more indepth
[11:36] <intelikey> ty
[11:37] <Forge> intelikey do you know if theres a way to allow kde to work like say MacOS with one mouse button?
[11:37] <bobbyd> intelikey: I tried to run khotkeys, but it didn't seem to work
[11:37] <Forge> (and possibly a control click or something for rightclick?)
[11:37] <bobbyd> intelikey: where will it be in the KDE menu?
[11:37] <intelikey> Forge i think you could set that up in  kcontrol  but i have never tried
[11:38] <Forge> kewl just wondering thats all... someone asked in #KDE a while back
[11:38] <intelikey> bobbyd system setting i think   ask genii i think he is running kde
[11:39] <intelikey> genii i called it "mem"  mem
[11:39] <intelikey> Mem usage: 21/249 MB (8%)
[11:39] <ForgeAus> that was an old DOS command
[11:39] <ForgeAus> mem
[11:39] <ForgeAus> doesn't work for me
[11:39] <bobbyd> ok, I'm in "system settings->keyboard & mouse" but I can't see how to do it in there...
[11:39] <genii> bobbyd Right now on a Windoze box so unfortunately cannot quickly look it up for you :(
[11:39] <ForgeAus> (in konsole anyway)
[11:40] <bobbyd> genii: ok, it's no problem, I'm probably just being stupid, it's not obvious to me :)
[11:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus the script i posted ?
[11:40] <ForgeAus> script?
[11:40] <ForgeAus> oh
[11:40] <ForgeAus> thats something else then
[11:40] <intelikey> yep
[11:40] <intelikey> ForgeAus http://pastebin.ca/388868
[11:40] <genii> intelikey Well, my laptop has KDE and xfce on it but it is at work right now LOL so only 1 Dapepr server  no gui and other cli boxes here accessible
[11:41] <intelikey> genii ah.  i'll point him at Jucato   :)
[11:41] <genii> Good plan :)
[11:43] <naught102> anyone know of a good (pref. gui) way of merging two folders so that the most up-to-date files from each folder ar kept?
[11:44] <krabbypants> hehe feisty is special
[11:44] <bobbyd> intelikey: basically,I think KHotkeys does what I want, the problem is that I can't find it in the menu, and when I run it from a console I get this:"ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed."
[11:45] <intelikey> naught102 mc would be my choice.
[11:45] <intelikey> bobbyd just press   alt+f2   and type in  khotkeys
[11:45] <bobbyd> intelikey: nope, must be broken.
[11:46] <genii> naught102 Well, in non-gui the way would be to use the --update switch of cp command. conceivably you could make a launcher for this on the desktop to start in konsole or such.
[11:46] <intelikey> hmmm   maybe.
[11:46] <bobbyd> intelikey: I'm running feisty, maybe it's not working at the moment
[11:46] <Ayabara_> what is a good app for capturing stills from a webcam?
[11:46] <intelikey> oh
[11:46] <naught102> genii: cool, might try that
[11:46] <intelikey> bobbyd you should be in  #ubuntu+1  where all the alpha/beta stuff is discussed
[11:46] <bobbyd> intelikey: oops :)
[11:47] <naught102> does it only copy files that need to be updated, or copy all files and overwrite only those that have a newer modification date/
[11:47] <genii> naught102: A small script which would take the 2 paths in the argument would work well I think
[11:47] <naught102> sorry, I should just read the manual :)
[11:48] <intelikey> mc would still be my choice.
[11:48] <genii> naught102: Well if you usedeg: cp --update /path1/* /path2/          then all in path1 that did not exist in path2 would be copied. and then all newer files from path1 would overwrite older files with same name in path2
[11:48] <naught102> ok, great, that's just what I need.
[11:49] <firemonkeyballz> brb
[11:49] <naught102> intelikey: I haven't tried midnight commander before, but I'll give it a go
[11:49] <naught102> there's not an x version is there?
[11:50] <bobbyd> naught102: konqueror has an mc mode...
[11:50] <naught102> cool
[11:51] <feety> hi there, i need to know how to set up a wireless access point, but info on this is few and far between. is there a nice way to do this in kde? (that is to say, as command line free as possible. not in the mood for konsole as it stands)
[11:51] <feety> thanks in advance
[11:51] <lipe> when i type ./configure --enable-kernel-module
[11:51] <lipe> Please specify the location of the kernel source with
[11:51] <lipe>         *** the '--with-kernel=SRCDIR' option
[11:51] <bobbyd> naught102: but I can't see it when i just looke, so i might have made that up :)
[11:52] <naught102> bobbyd: I seem to remember seeing it too...
[11:52] <bobbyd> lipe: /usr/src/linux
[11:52] <bobbyd> lipe: you'll need to get the kernel source first thought :)
[11:52] <lipe> bobbyd: so, i just type ./configure --enable-kernel-module /usr/src/linux ??
[11:52] <lipe> bobbyd: how can i make it ??
[11:53] <firemonkeyballz> k well got my ati back
[11:53] <firemonkeyballz> ATI Mobility Beryl/XGL FGLRX in Edgy
[11:53] <firemonkeyballz> using that guide
[11:53] <firemonkeyballz> seems to work for 6.06
[11:54] <bobbyd> lipe: I have no idea what you're doing, but I'd expect it would be something like: ./configure --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux --enable-kernel-module
[11:54] <Malix> Hi, having a bit of a problem: my adept told me that I could update to kubuntu 7.04 with kubuntu distribution update tool which should launch automatically and close down adept. nothing is happening tho...  any ideas?
[11:54] <genii> lipe at commandline: sudo apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r` && sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r`
[11:54] <Malix> or should I just wait until the cd comes out?
[11:55] <lipe> bobbyd: thx u very muhc
[11:55] <bobbyd> genii: thanks :)
[11:55] <bobbyd> lipe: thank genii too :)
[11:55] <firemonkeyballz> wee
[11:55] <lipe> genii: thx u very much
[11:55] <firemonkeyballz> workd
[11:55] <bobbyd> firemonkeyballz: beryl with fglrx?
[11:55] <firemonkeyballz> yes
[11:55] <genii> lipe then after: ./configure --enable-kernel-module --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux
[11:55] <bobbyd> firemonkeyballz: i might need to do that if I can't get the graphics card in this laptop changed to nvidia
[11:56] <bobbyd> firemonkeyballz: is it a total pita?
[11:56] <firemonkeyballz> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[11:56] <firemonkeyballz> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[11:56] <firemonkeyballz> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON XPRESS 200M Series Generic
[11:56] <firemonkeyballz> OpenGL version string: 2.0.5814 (8.25.18)
[11:56] <bobbyd> there's a flood coming!
[11:56] <genii> LOL
[11:57] <Alarm> hello. i just got a notice from adept updater that kubuntu 7.04 is available and if i wish to update. i joined the website but there is nothing written about that release, what is that all about ?
[11:57] <lipe> bobbyd: but, when i go to /usr/src i can't see the "linux" dir ...
[11:57] <ForgeAus> Radeon 9600 AIO here :)
[11:57] <ForgeAus> TVIn TVOut
[11:57] <lipe> bobbyd: nvm :p
[11:57] <bobbyd> lipe: did you do genii's command?
[11:57] <lipe> genii: thx u very much, i'll try to do it ...
[11:57] <ForgeAus> its only an AGP card tho no PCIE yet
[11:57] <firemonkeyballz> whats that command to run the gears?
[11:57] <ForgeAus> um I forgot
[11:57] <ForgeAus> flgears or something I guess
[11:57] <xBill> glxgears
[11:57] <ForgeAus> thats it glxgears
[11:58] <ForgeAus> wow it works! nicely too
[11:58] <firemonkeyballz> crap works faster than last config
[11:58] <genii> lipe Well you may need to put the result of uname -r instead of "linux" for the exact linux kernel version you have.
[11:58] <bobbyd> Alarm: That's feisty, and as far as I know it's still in testing...
[11:58] <ForgeAus> tho thmooooooth :)
[11:58] <Alarm> then why is it allready available for download ?
[11:58] <Alarm> as an update if its not a stable release
[11:58] <firemonkeyballz> to make us victems
[11:58] <firemonkeyballz> lol
[11:59] <firemonkeyballz> so they can gain
[11:59] <krabbypants> yep
[11:59] <bobbyd> Alarm: I have no idea
[11:59] <bobbyd> Alarm: seems like a bug :)
[11:59] <firemonkeyballz> dude
[11:59] <firemonkeyballz> if you see nos
[11:59] <firemonkeyballz> tel him to do this one
[11:59] <xBill> i allready use feisty, tho it's testing still ;-)
[11:59] <genii> Has feisty even reached RC1 status yet??
[11:59] <firemonkeyballz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=291464&highlight=ati
[12:00] <Alarm> ok
[12:00] <Jucato> genii: no. not even beta yet, iirc
[12:00] <Malix> so whats with the update thingy in adept then? it downloads some update tool but nothing happens after that?
[12:00] <genii> I'm leery of installing something thats not quite yet even a release candidate  (on a machine not for testing)
[12:00] <Jucato> Alarm: have you checked your sources.list for any feisty repositories? are you sure it's telling you that it will upgrade to Feisty?
[12:01] <lipe> genii: ok, thx u very much ! :) GOD BLESS U
[12:01] <Alarm> yes
[12:01] <genii> lipe LOL You're welcome
[12:01] <Jucato> Alarm: can you pastebin your sources.list please?
[12:01] <Alarm> i did a normal upgrade. and then a window showed up telling me that there is a new kubuntu version available feisty 7.04
[12:02] <Alarm> hold on ot find a paste site
[12:02] <Jucato> !pastebin | Alarm
[12:02] <ubotu> Alarm: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:02] <ForgeAus> if Only I could integrate pkgtool and pkgsrc into Adept lol :)
[12:02] <ForgeAus> then I'd have a nearon omnilinux :) many package formats... well rpmless tho
[12:03] <Alarm> Jucato, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9613/
[12:03] <Malix> Jucato: I also got the adept notice about updating to feisty, and surely I don't have any feisty repos in my sources.list
[12:03] <teufel> could some one tell me how to iinstall windows xp after kubuntu
[12:03] <Jucato> ok hold on
[12:04] <ForgeAus> tuefel AFTER?
[12:04] <teufel> yeah
[12:04] <ForgeAus> best to do it the other way around but if you HAVE to
[12:04] <teufel> the grub messed my mbr up or something
[12:04] <teufel> i know
[12:04] <ForgeAus> you need to partition space and then reinstall grub once XP's installed
[12:04] <teufel> i had xp installed
[12:04] <Jucato> !grub | teufel
[12:04] <ubotu> teufel: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:05] <Jucato> Malix: could you also pastebin your sources.list? so I could compare with Alarm's?
[12:05] <Malix> sure
[12:05] <teufel> ok check it out i have the grub working i can get into kubuntu just fine
[12:05] <teufel> but it messed my xp load up
[12:05] <Alarm> someone else has the same problem ? :)
[12:05] <ForgeAus> it shouldn't ahve
[12:05] <Alarm> i dont have either any feisty repos
[12:05] <Jucato> Alarm: Malix seems to have the same problem
[12:05] <teufel> now i cant reinstall
[12:05] <ForgeAus> grub detects XP if you set it up right
[12:05] <teufel> it detects it
[12:05] <Alarm> i havent changed anything the last 1 month actually
[12:05] <Jucato> teufel: what do you mean it messed XP up?
[12:05] <ForgeAus> you might need to fixmbr and resetup grub the RIGHT way
[12:05] <Jucato> Alarm: let's just wait for Malix's sources.list
[12:06] <Alarm> okie
[12:06] <teufel> i tried fixmbr
[12:06] <Jucato> I'm just waiting for his...
[12:06] <Malix> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9614/
[12:06] <firemonkeyballz> nearly done with the whole config
[12:06] <ForgeAus> fixboot?
[12:06] <teufel> yup
[12:06] <teufel> fixboot too
[12:06] <ForgeAus> did that fix your XP?
[12:06] <Jucato> Alarm, Malix: ah I see... :D
[12:06] <teufel> windows is on the master kubuntu is on the slave
[12:06] <haffi> Hi, can anyone help me with setting DXS support in ALSA for my VT8233 sound card? My sound works, but it is scratchy
[12:07] <Jucato> Alarm, Malix: this is the source of all your problems: deb http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy-proposed main restricted universe multiverse
[12:07] <Alarm> what is it ? :)
[12:07] <ForgeAus> IDE drives.. so its hda and hdb
[12:07] <teufel> yea
[12:07] <Skuller> haffi: scratchy?
[12:07] <Alarm> what about it ?
[12:07] <Jucato> did you guys get your sources.list from source-o-matic?
[12:07] <ForgeAus> according to linux
[12:07] <ForgeAus> (if its sata its sda and sdb
[12:07] <Alarm> some of the entries yes
[12:07] <firemonkeyballz> umm how do I fix the sensitivity on my touch pad?
[12:07] <Malix> Jucato: nope, collected those urls from net and added by hand, why?
[12:07] <Alarm> i cant remember about this one
[12:07] <teufel> xp is on hda
[12:07] <haffi> Skuller: Yes, there is some disturbance in the sound
[12:07] <teufel> hda1
[12:08] <Jucato> Alarm, Malix: edgy-proposed contains stuff you shouldn't really be installing in the first place. think "very beta"
[12:08] <ForgeAus> does XP boot?
[12:08] <firemonkeyballz> like  you would in synaptics tools?
[12:08] <teufel> nope
[12:08] <Skuller> haffi: is it more noticeable on loud volume?
[12:08] <teufel> i need to reinstall it
[12:08] <Malix> Jucato: whoopsie =D
[12:08] <ForgeAus> then you need to fix your XP boot with XP recovery console
[12:08] <Jucato> Alarm, Malix: currently, edgy-proposed contains the new Upgrade Tool that's being tested
[12:08] <Alarm> so, better to remove that one ?
[12:08] <teufel> i tried
[12:08] <Malix> k, so removing it now =)
[12:08] <ForgeAus> or even a recovery install into the XP you have
[12:08] <Jucato> Alarm, Malix: yes please remove/disable edgy-proposed
[12:08] <ForgeAus> then you have to install grub without messing up your ntldr/mbr
[12:08] <Jucato> then sudo apt-get update again
[12:08] <teufel> it hangs at dmi
[12:08] <ForgeAus> using the site jucato sent you to earlier
[12:08] <teufel> whatever it says
[12:09] <ForgeAus> whats dmi?
[12:09] <haffi> Skuller: no, the disturbance is always on when there's a sound playing, and setting the volume in kubuntu doesn't change it
[12:09] <Skuller> haffi: type in alsamixer and reduce the level of PCM....thas all i know and can help
[12:09] <genii> lipe Just to clarify the command after all the sources install would be: ./configure --enable-kernel-module --with-kernel=/usr/src/kernel-source-`uname -r`         if just /usr/src/linux fails
[12:09] <teufel> i for get what it says but after the cdrom boot and then when it gets to the harddrive boot it hangs
[12:09] <Alarm> ok, thank you a lot Jucato
[12:09] <haffi> Ok, I'll try that
[12:09] <teufel> forget
[12:10] <Skuller> haffi: reduce the PCM level to midway....in the green region.....
[12:10] <teufel> i just need to know if there is a way to reinstall xp
[12:10] <teufel> after kubuntu
[12:10] <genii> bah /usr/src/linux-source-`uname -r`                     (I need coffee)
[12:11] <Alarm> damn and i got happy that the new release is out:)
[12:11] <ForgeAus> there is but it will mess up grub
[12:11] <teufel> thats cool
[12:11] <teufel> i can fix
[12:11] <ForgeAus> intsalling XP always messed up grub
[12:11] <krabbypants> teufel:if you install xp after kubuntu, you can use the xp boot loader
[12:11] <ForgeAus> yeah just do an XP install like you normally would
[12:11] <teufel> how do i go about this
[12:12] <firemonkeyballz> brb
[12:12] <teufel> i did that
[12:12] <Malix> Jucato: I disabled edgy-proposed repos, but it is still offering me the update tool
[12:12] <ForgeAus> just put your xp disk in and run through the setup procedure
[12:12] <teufel> i did but it didnt fix the mbr
[12:12] <Jucato> Malix: did you run update after changing your sources.list like I said?
[12:12] <ForgeAus> (I suggest if recovery console's fixmbr and fixboot didn't help to use the REPAIR install...)
[12:12] <Malix> not from commandline, but from adept, does that make a difference?
[12:12] <ForgeAus> repair install happens AFTER recovery console (its the second R not the first one)
[12:12] <Jucato> Malix: not really. Fetch Updates = sudo apt-get update
[12:12] <teufel> yea i go that
[12:13] <teufel> i ran fixmbr
[12:13] <ForgeAus> either that or you loose data and reformat the NTFS partition
[12:13] <Jucato> Malix: hm.. make sure the edgy-proposed lines are really gone
[12:13] <teufel> then fixboot
[12:13] <teufel> then bootcfg
[12:13] <firemonkeyballz> wheee
[12:13] <firemonkeyballz> worked
[12:13] <Malix> Jucato: just a sec
[12:13] <ForgeAus> yeah you USED recovery console tried fixmbr
[12:13] <ForgeAus> did you try fixboot too?
[12:13] <firemonkeyballz> dont have to modify anything
[12:13] <ForgeAus> ahh ok so they didn't help
[12:13] <teufel> yeah
[12:13] <ForgeAus> xp still broken?
[12:13] <teufel> right
[12:13] <ForgeAus> so then do REPAIR install thats next option
[12:13] <firemonkeyballz> done with ati baryl
[12:13] <Malix> Jucato: BUH, my bad, had several lines with edgy proposed... >_<
[12:13] <ForgeAus> thats not in recovery console
[12:13] <teufel> i have like 100 gig of movies i dont want to lose
[12:13] <Jucato> Malix: heh :)
[12:14] <ForgeAus> then you need to get a tool to read your ntfs drive if its formatted as ntfs (if its fat just mount it in Linux, heck even if its NTFS just mount it in linux and copy))
[12:14] <teufel> alot of edited moves
[12:14] <ForgeAus> you don't need to write to ti to do that
[12:14] <_4strO> yop yop
[12:14] <ForgeAus> or burn them to CD from there?
[12:14] <teufel> damn 100 gig would take forever
[12:14] <ForgeAus> if they're important to you and you want to keep them thats about the only way...
[12:15] <ForgeAus> yeah 100gig would talke a few erm DVD's?
[12:15] <krabbypants> teufel: linux in a nutshell has a good chaper on the windows dual boot
[12:15] <teufel> if i could just manually edit the grub out of the master drive
[12:15] <firemonkeyballz> that fixed a slow bottle neck
[12:15] <firemonkeyballz> heh
[12:15] <teufel> i accidentally put it there
[12:15] <teufel> and now i cant get it out
[12:15] <ForgeAus> teufel that shouldn't be a problem
[12:15] <Malix> Jucato: uh.. nope, they're all disabled now, but the update thingy still pop's up
[12:16] <ForgeAus> grub shouldn't mess up WindowsXP
[12:16] <Jucato> Malix: pastebin sources.list again please? :)
[12:16] <teufel> well i tried to reinstall it and it says starting up but goes no further
[12:16] <ForgeAus> at least they CAN coexist
[12:16] <Malix> willdo
[12:17] <ForgeAus> teufel try repair install
[12:17] <teufel> ok
[12:17] <teufel> im out for now thanks for the help
[12:17] <ForgeAus> that way you at least keep the Filesystem
[12:17] <teufel> true
[12:17] <ForgeAus> (you may or may not be able to access stuff in mydocuments)
[12:17] <teufel> but ill shall return
[12:17] <teufel> cya
[12:17] <ForgeAus> (if you have the username/password it might be ok)
[12:18] <blue|palm> I tried to install a package (dcraw) but it hit an error where it couldnt overwrite a directory from another package... now i cant install anything because each time i try to use apt-get it tries to install dcraw which fails...
[12:18] <blue|palm> how can i remove dcraw from installing all the time
[12:18] <Malix> Jucato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9616/
[12:18] <ForgeAus> I hope teu he didn't partition over anything
[12:19] <ForgeAus> that way he's never going to get anything back
[12:19] <Jucato> Malix: still notifying you after clicking on Fetch Updates or doing sudo apt-get update?
[12:19] <Malix> yup
[12:20] <Jucato> really strange...
[12:20] <Malix> well, not after apt-get update, but after fetching updates in adept
[12:20] <Skuller> haffi_: any luck?
[12:20] <Malix> could it affect that I actually once accepted the 'update'?
[12:20] <Alarm> i want to spit my linux into 2 partition for more performance (2 partitions , 1 on a different disk) , so that some things run from the 1 disk , and the other 1 from the second. a system works much faster while doing that once it uses the whole bus. which directory should i put on the second disk ?
[12:20] <ForgeAus> kpackage didn't pick up on my pkgsrc install :(
[12:20] <Jucato> Malix: er... how did you accept it?
[12:21] <Jucato> Malix: you have soooo many repos. some of the duplicates, btw
[12:21] <Malix> Jucato: 'click next to whatever'... a small download window flashed on the corner and ... well, it did nothing visible after that atleast
[12:21] <Jucato> Malix: ah.. hm...
[12:22] <Malix> Jucato: yea, I'm a aware, I _should_ check for those...
[12:22] <Jucato> Malix: I don't know how much that would have affected it... but yeah, your "accepting" the update might have something to do with it... but not really sure
[12:22] <haffi_> Skuller: no luck, I'm afraid
[12:22] <haffi_> I had this same problem on Gentoo
[12:23] <Skuller> haffi_: oh....thas sad...sorry i cant help u anymore....
[12:23] <Skuller> haffi_: u did reduce the PCM level dint u?
[12:23] <haffi_> yes
[12:23] <haffi_> this is just a crappy soundcard
[12:23] <firemonkeyballz> http://pastebin.ca/388905
[12:24] <haffi_> and the workaround on gentoo doesn't work on kubuntu
[12:24] <Malix> Jucato: well, I think I can live with it, after all, feisty should come out next month, so actually REALLY updating should get rid of it?
[12:24] <haffi_> seems like alsa is a bit different
[12:24] <ForgeAus> omg I just started Trillian under Linux!
[12:24] <ForgeAus> ahh the wonders of wine
[12:24] <naught102> does anyone know a way of exporting a list of packages installed via apt-get (or a frontend), and the re-importing them?
[12:24] <Jucato> Malix: yes it should. it's just like the Adept Updater
[12:24] <ForgeAus> well almost anyway
[12:24] <ForgeAus> it started up then died lol
[12:24] <naught102> for example to re-install all the programs you had installed after a cd-upgrade?
[12:24] <Jucato> naught102: dpkg --get-selections
[12:25] <Jucato> naught102: er.. upgrade? that might not work
[12:25] <krabbypants> anyone get mysql server actually working with mythtv in  kubuntu?
[12:25] <Jucato> the package list will be version-dependent afaik
[12:26] <krabbypants> i tried alot of things never got it working, anyone run a myth box here?
[12:26] <naught102> Jucato: ofcourse, but just a reference list would be good, that's a good start
[12:26] <blue|palm> krabbypants: i did
[12:26] <Jucato> naught102: then dpkg --get-selections will most probably do
[12:26] <krabbypants> what vertion of kubuntu you running blue|palm
[12:27] <blue|palm> Can someone please tell me how to fix my apt.... it broke because each time i install anything using apt-get it tries to install dcraw which tries to overwrite another package and fails... thus apt-get fails all the time.
[12:27] <genii> yes get-selections  then set-selections I think
[12:27] <naught102> Jucato: there wouldn't be a way of doing dpkg --get-selections only for "top of the dependency chain" packages, would there?
[12:27] <firemonkeyballz> http://pastebin.ca/388905
[12:27] <blue|palm> krabbypants: edgy
[12:28] <Jucato> naught102: hm.. not that I know of
[12:28] <naught102> that would be cool.
[12:28] <krabbypants> blue|palm: wow i could not get mine working because i have no idea how mysql works
[12:28] <blue|palm> krabbypants: look for a guide its really easy
[12:28] <blue|palm> krabbypants: i mean really really easy
[12:28] <blue|palm> the mythtv guide should work
[12:29] <firemonkeyballz> how do I configure backup system
[12:29] <blue|palm> go to the forums
[12:29] <naught102> imagine. windows: re-install, find all those CDs, download spots, re-install each package. linux: re-install, re-load packages list, upgrade. sweet
[12:29] <firemonkeyballz> specifically what to backup
[12:29] <blue|palm> Can someone tell me how to manually deselect a package?
[12:29] <krabbypants> blue|palm: i tryed all sorts of guides but i always could not log in to mysql and always got the same sock error when trying to connect
[12:29] <naught102> man dpkg/
[12:30] <Skuller> !ubotu >ubotu
[12:30] <Skuller> lol
[12:30] <bumzo> hi ple
[12:30] <firemonkeyballz> uhh no try this
[12:30] <bumzo> who knows  how to make a sda1 usb drive accessible ... not read only?
[12:31] <firemonkeyballz> !ubotu|ubotu
[12:31] <ubotu> ubotu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:31] <krabbypants> blue|palm: im baffled on how it could be so hard for me to set up mysql
[12:31] <Skuller> lol yea
[12:31] <bumzo> lol skuller
[12:31] <Skuller> wish it could loop somehow
[12:31] <firemonkeyballz> what directories should I backup
[12:31] <bumzo> I need help making my ntfs drive READBLE
[12:31] <Skuller> bumzo: is ur drive partitioned in ntfs?
[12:31] <lipe> genii: i just installed linux-source and in /usr/src/ there is a file linux-source-2... .tar.bz2   is it right ?
[12:32] <bumzo> its an extrernal 80 gb usb hard drive
[12:32] <Skuller> is it ntfs formatted?
[12:32] <genii> lipe That sounds about right, yes
[12:32] <bumzo> yes ...and has loads of music
[12:32] <lipe> genii: so i just type ./configure ... to this file !?
[12:33] <Skuller> well its better to format them in FAT32
[12:33] <lipe> genii: i need to extract this file !?
[12:33] <Skuller> bumzo: well its better to format them in FAT32
[12:33] <genii> lipe 1 minute, I think you may need to uncompress it but I forget if that is so right now
[12:33] <bumzo> but i stand the cahnce of loosing ALL my music
[12:33] <genii> lipe Is free space on the hard drive an issue?
[12:33] <Skuller> bumzo: copy it somewhere
[12:34] <lipe> genii: yes
[12:34] <bumzo> i dont have ''somewhere'' to copy 80GB worth of 6 yrs collection of music
[12:34] <Skuller> i dont know if there is a way to convert a partition type into another without losing the data
[12:34] <genii> lipe How much space is free?
[12:35] <lipe> genii: i got 17 GB i think, so i got too much free space ..
[12:35] <krabbypants> bumzo: open 40 gmail accounts 2 gb+ of storage each :)
[12:35] <genii> lipe Ah, that is fine. I was considering if uncompressing the file would cause the drive to be full. But it will not.
[12:35] <Skuller> bumzo: well u can risk enabling ntfs write features in kubuntu....like FUSE
[12:35] <Skuller> lol
[12:35] <lipe> genii: hehehe ok :)
[12:36] <lipe> genii: i just uncompressed the file and created a dir ...
[12:36] <Skuller> !fuse
[12:36] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:36] <bumzo> lol
[12:36] <lipe> genii: what should i do now ?!
[12:36] <bumzo> ok .. how do i use fuse to enable it?
[12:36] <Skuller> !fuse | bumzo
[12:36] <ubotu> bumzo: please see above
[12:36] <genii> lipe so: sudo tar -xjvf /usr/src/<exact filename here> -C /usr/src/             <-- this will uncompress the file to the same directory
[12:36] <Malix> Jucato: just a thought, any ideas of the package name or such for the update wiz? if it could be removed some way?
[12:37] <lipe> genii: ok lemme do it
[12:37] <Jucato> Malix: not really sure. have you tried quiting Adept Manager after you've finished Fetch Updates?
[12:37] <Skuller> !ntfs
[12:37] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:37] <Skuller> !ntfs-3g | bumzo
[12:37] <ubotu> bumzo: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:38] <Skuller> !fuse | bumzo
[12:38] <ubotu> bumzo: Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing using fuse here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[12:38] <Malix> Jucato: several times now
[12:38] <bumzo> how abt ntfs-3g
[12:38] <Jucato> Malix: really sorry, a bit clueless
[12:38] <bumzo> !ntfs-3g
[12:38] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[12:38] <genii> lipe Then after (in the directory which contains the source code you originally were trying to compile) the command: ./configure --enable-kernel-module --with-kernel=/usr/src/linux-source-`uname -r`      and then after most like you can do the make command or make install     or so on
[12:39] <Malix> Jucato: bummer, well, my bad -> have to live with it x)
[12:40] <genii> lipe Sorry /usr/src/kernel-source-`uname -r`      (I am always getting the two confused in these switches)
[12:40] <Skuller> bumzo: if ur need for ntsf riting is strong...then go for it
[12:40] <Skuller> ntfs*
[12:40] <bumzo> oh it is
[12:41] <lipe> genii: done ... and now ?
[12:41] <lipe> genii: hehehe ok
[12:41] <genii> lipe Are there other files in /usr/src/   directory?
[12:41] <lipe> genii: lemme try it
[12:41] <lipe> genii: yes
[12:42] <bumzo> is kubuntu drapper or edgy???
[12:42] <lipe> genii: rpm and fuse one
[12:42] <genii> eg: some file beginning with "kernel" something
[12:42] <dystopianray> is it possible to get a list of packages that I have installed, that weren't installed by default or automatically?
[12:42] <Skuller> bumzo: dapper and edgy are versions of kubuntu
[12:42] <Skuller> 6.06 and 6.10 respectively
[12:43] <genii> lipe Please report result of: ls -l /usr/src/linux*/kernel
[12:43] <Skuller> bumzo: you shud noe wich one u ave installed urself
[12:43] <francesco> Hi
[12:43] <sanityx> hi
[12:44] <lipe> genii: it is veeery big ...
[12:44] <genii> lipe OK don't put it here then LOL
[12:44] <lipe> genii: there are a lot of .c files
[12:44] <lipe> genii: hehehehe
[12:44] <genii> lipe Good.
[12:44] <genii> this is the path to put for the switch --with-kernel=
[12:45] <francesco> I'm a new Linux User! There is someone that can help me in MB driver installation?
[12:45] <lipe> genii: so i just type ./configure --enable-kernel-module -with-kernel=/usr/src/linux[tab] /kernel ?? or i don't put kernel in this command ?
[12:45] <francesco> I need it to use audio
[12:45] <genii> something like /usr/src/linux-source-2.xx.x-x/kernel    where exact numbers are for your box
[12:46] <lipe> genii: ok !! lemme try it ... 1 min please :) thx u veeery much !! :)
[12:46] <genii> lipe I'll be here
[12:46] <Skuller> bumzo: cat /etc/issue         to find out which  version
[12:46] <francesco> ...and sorry for my bad english
[12:48] <Skuller> francesco: what do you mean by u want to use audio?
[12:49] <genii> francesco At bottom right of screen do you have speaker icon?
[12:49] <lipe> genii: it says that cannot determine the kernel version .... and to prepare the kernel before running that script ...
[12:49] <francesco> Skuller: Now the audio is off...even tough there is the icon in the corner
[12:50] <genii> lipe That is very odd. What program are you trying to compile?
[12:50] <francesco> My MB is Gygabyte LGA 775
[12:50] <Skuller> francesco: sorry no idea...refer to genii please...
[12:50] <francesco> I had download the linux driver...
[12:50] <lipe> genii: i need to write on a ntfs partition, so i need to fix a problem with the fuse ... so i'm trying to compile the fuse one to fix the problem ...
[12:50] <genii> francesco Right-click on the speaker icon. Open the mixer. Unmute any PCM devices and also maybe to put up the volume for the PCM devices
[12:50] <sanityx> lipe you could just install ntfs-3g
[12:51] <Skuller> francesco: that is your CPU socket....
[12:51] <lipe> sanityx: but it says that fuse isn't write, i got an old fuse version ... and need to install a newer
[12:51] <sanityx> oo
[12:51] <francesco> genii: I've do it...but anything change
[12:51] <bill___> im trying to install themes, but i dont have permission to write to the kthememanager folder, anyway to set it up so i dont have to log in as root to change the permission?
[12:52] <genii> lipe Which ubuntu version do you have? eg: dapper edgy feisty
[12:52] <lipe> genii: kubuntu 6.06 dapper
[12:52] <francesco> Skuller you're right! Gigabyte 945GZ
[12:53] <shishira> hi
[12:53] <Skuller> francesco: 945 is ur chipset btw....well...i dont know about audio...sorry...
[12:53] <Skuller> hi
[12:53] <Skuller> bumzo: any luck?
[12:53] <genii> lipe I have found a site which may help you http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710
[12:54] <lipe> genii: thx u very much, i'll read it ! GOD bless u very much !
[12:54] <genii> lipe Best luck. If no success please report back, I will be here still.
[12:54] <bill___> possible to change dir permissions without logging in as root?
[12:54] <francesco> genii....can you help me?
[12:55] <lipe> genii: ok, thx u
[12:56] <rambo> hello
[12:56] <genii> francesco Well, the common issue with no sound is the muted PCM device in the mixer. If the icon for the speaker has no red line through it, the system considers the soundcard is working properly. In this case it is usually some device in the mixer which needs attention. eg: PCM devices, line-in or so on
[12:57] <genii> francesco Often the default sources for sound in may be muted
[12:57] <francesco> genii: at this link (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2304&ProductName=GA-8I945GZME-RH) there are Linux driver...maybe there is a common bug!
[12:58] <genii> francesco reading, away briefly
[12:58] <francesco> genii: thanks
[12:58] <ForgeAus> um kubuntu's telling me theres a new version of kubuntu available is this a dist-upgrade?
[12:58] <rambo> um, i'm really new to linux and i have a problem
[12:59] <Skuller> rambo: ask away the problem and not that u have a problem
[01:00] <rambo> i have a SB live and it plays stereo stuff good, but when it comes to movies with more chanels, it says that device is busy. this only appears when more channels are needed
[01:00] <panathos> pls... wich driver best match Nvidia FX 5200? nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-legacy?
[01:00] <Skuller> panathos: nvidia-glx
[01:00] <Skuller> look in the lagacy list to confirm that ur card isnt mentioned there
[01:00] <bumzo> skuller: i put that command in terminal?
[01:01] <panathos> but it's instable, on my amd64 :-(
[01:01] <Skuller> bumzo: cat /etc/issue
[01:01] <Skuller> yes
[01:01] <bumzo> Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS \n \l ... is that dapper or edgy?
[01:01] <Skuller> dapper
[01:02] <rambo> and another thing; when i start "adept manager" it says that some other process is using it and that i can't change anything
[01:02] <Skuller> !ntfs-3g | bumzo
[01:02] <ubotu> bumzo: ntfs-3g is is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. It has been extensively tested but please remember to keep backups of critical data. Installation instructions at http://lunapark6.com/?p=1710 (Dapper) and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009/ (Edgy)
[01:02] <Skuller> !adeptfix | rambo
[01:02] <ubotu> rambo: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:03] <genii> francesco I am finding many complaints on this souncard now but not yet some solution
[01:03] <Skuller> rambo: make sure your not running any other package software
[01:04] <francesco> genii!! I'm I stupid!
[01:04] <Skuller> lol
[01:04] <francesco> I used an USB sound card....and it' doesn't work!
[01:05] <genii> francesco Your main volume was at minumum?
[01:05] <rambo> ubotu: i did that and it wrote at the beggining "
[01:05] <rambo> dpkg: error processing libdvdread3 (--configure):
[01:05] <rambo>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[01:05] <rambo>  reinstall it before attempting configuration.
[01:05] <francesco> Now I've set the MB AUDIO
[01:05] <genii> Ahhh
[01:05] <francesco> and it' seems goos
[01:05] <francesco> good
[01:05] <genii> francesco Good to know you have solved it then :)
[01:05] <francesco> Thanks
[01:05] <Skuller> !ubotu | ubotu
[01:06] <ubotu> ubotu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:06] <Skuller> !ubotu | rambo
[01:06] <ubotu> rambo: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:06] <francesco> I'll go to have a lunch....
[01:06] <francesco> I'll back later...with other problems!!
[01:06] <francesco> bye bye
[01:06] <Skuller> rambo: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:07] <Skuller> francesco: laterz
[01:07] <rambo> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[01:07] <rambo>  reinstall it before attempting configuration.
[01:07] <rambo> and now adept doesn't even start
[01:07] <Skuller> try synaptic
[01:07] <genii> ouch
[01:08] <Skuller> no idea whas happ
[01:08] <rambo> hmm, brb
[01:11] <ForgeAus> where do I find the kubuntu upgrade tool?
[01:12] <ForgeAus> !upgrade
[01:12] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[01:13] <stamen_> l
[01:14] <miltos> it's impossible to mount an iso image...it drives me grazy....the original *.bin image was converted under windowsxp with magiciso....any ideas?
[01:16] <ForgeAus> doesn't matter what the original image was created in
[01:16] <ForgeAus> .iso's mount
[01:16] <genii> miltos Hm. does:   lsmod |grep loop    produce some result?
just a minute...
[01:17] <genii> miltos if NOT then do:  sudo modprobe loop      then try to mount the image as you were doing before
[01:17] <ForgeAus> get kiso if your haveing too much trouble
[01:17] <ForgeAus> but iso's should mount
[01:17] <ForgeAus> use iso:/ in konqueror if you need to!
loop                   17672  12: that's the result
[01:18] <genii> miltos OK, then it is not the problem
[01:20] <ForgeAus> genii do you know what kubuntu upgrade tool is? and if so how to run it?
[01:20] <miltos> that's the command I use: "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/miltos/Suse01.iso  o /media/iso"...and I can't see the CD on the desktop...
[01:20] <rambo> hi, i'm back
[01:20] <genii> miltos I think there may be some conflicting options in fstab. I am not sure that all the options you have in there for that drive can coexist happily
[01:20] <rambo> adept now works, but surrond still doesn't
[01:21] <ForgeAus> surround? as in surround sound?
[01:21] <rambo> yep
 how to check?
[01:21] <ForgeAus> does kmix handle that ?
[01:21] <rambo> i'm on alsa
[01:21] <genii> miltos What is the line for that drive again? (sdb1 I think it was) in the fstab
tell me how to check...
[01:22] <rambo> what's that command for speaker check?
[01:23] <ForgeAus> wheres jucato when I need him! lol
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus: whats your problem?
[01:24] <ForgeAus> nos wheres the kubuntu upgrade tool install into / how do I run it?
[01:24] <ForgeAus> i can't find it in the k menu anyhwere
[01:24] <nosrednaekim> adept?
[01:24] <ForgeAus> adept installed it and told me to quit adept and run the kubuntu upgrade tool to update to feisty
[01:24] <genii> miltos Please pastebin the contents of your file /etc/fstab    then please add to the bottom of the paste which directory holds your iso file, which directory it should be mounted under
[01:24] <ForgeAus> but I don't know where/what's the kubuntu upgrade tool
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> !update-manager
[01:25] <ubotu> update-manager: GNOME application that manages apt updates. In component main, is optional. Version 0.45 (edgy), package size 775 kB, installed size 3652 kB
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade-manager
[01:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about upgrade-manager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:25] <zevs> test
[01:25] <ForgeAus> !kubuntu upgrade tool
[01:26] <c0nv1ct> ForgeAus: i've never 'upgraded' to fiesty, i've only used the actual ISO, so i dunno
 here it is...
[01:26] <miltos> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[01:26] <miltos> #
[01:26] <miltos> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[01:26] <miltos> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[01:26] <miltos> # /dev/sda6
[01:26] <miltos> UUID=90effdd6-c42a-4ac9-a4ef-8ad2b76969f1 /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[01:26] <miltos> # /dev/hda1
[01:26] <genii> AAAAAHHh
[01:26] <miltos> UUID=3C9C57F49C57A6E4 /media/hda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[01:26] <miltos> # /dev/hda2
[01:26] <miltos> UUID=7A54F82954F7E5B3 /media/hda2     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[01:26] <genii> !pastebin | miltos
[01:26] <ubotu> miltos: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:26] <miltos> # /dev/sda1
[01:26] <miltos> UUID=1EDC7D0BDC7CDF09 /media/sda1     ntfs    defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[01:26] <miltos> # /dev/sda5
[01:26] <miltos> UUID=7c7cf815-2376-400f-adec-e32ea15ca344 none            swap    sw              0       0
[01:26] <miltos> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[01:26] <genii> Damn
[01:26] <doomnx> hello guys again
[01:27] <c0nv1ct> no ops with flood protection in here? damn
[01:27] <doomnx> miltos ellhnas ki esu e? :P
 exo plextei asxima...
[01:27] <genii> I keep forgetting knowing about the pastebin website is not a given LOL
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus what do you want fiesty for
[01:28] <c0nv1ct> yeah, feisty isnt exactly stable
[01:28] <ForgeAus> because adept says its time to updaate
[01:28] <ForgeAus> not stable? really?
[01:28] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with it?
[01:28] <genii> miltos There is a website for pasting(not into the channel)http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/   then after you paste it there, give only the URL it gives you after so ppl from here can go read
[01:28] <c0nv1ct> its not done yet ForgeAus
[01:28] <c0nv1ct> its still in testing
ok
[01:29] <doomnx> guys i was trying to install nvidia drivers for kubuntu and it said it needed the following dependencies: libgtk2.0-bin, libgtk2.0-common and linux-image-2.6.17-11-386. I just downloaded these files, do u think they will need some depencies too?
 the URL is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9620/
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> ForgeAus:there is a difference between security updates and upgrading to fiesty
[01:30] <ForgeAus> I know that
[01:30] <ForgeAus> its a distro upgrade
[01:30] <c0nv1ct> doomnx: i'd update the kernel using your package manager
[01:30] <doomnx> i have no internet connection at home :(
[01:30] <doomnx> so i download the files manually from this net cafe
[01:31] <c0nv1ct> doomnx: ouch, then i'm not sure, upgrading the kernel probably will need more packages
[01:31] <genii> miltos OK, reading. Back shortly
[01:31] <doomnx> i only installed kubuntu 6.10, nothing else
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> doomx manually? do you know aout the download scripts?
 what did you discover?
[01:31] <c0nv1ct> nosrednaekim: he doesnt have internet
[01:32] <doomnx> no, i am a newbie here... i am willing to learn though
[01:32] <nosrednaekim> I know... but a scriptis useful for when you do have interenet
[01:32] <genii> miltos Please, what is the full directory and name of the iso file, and what directory you wish to mount it to
[01:32] <bumzo> i need help here
[01:32] <doomnx> i've been trying for a week to install those drivers
[01:32] <doomnx> and i'm really close now!
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> doomx, how are you on the internet ow? are you on your ubntu computer?
[01:33] <bumzo> i cant get right access to my external hard drive
[01:33] <bumzo> when i try i get the error message ''Could not change permissions for /media/sda1.''
[01:33] <bumzo> anyone?
[01:33] <doomnx> oh, i have a problem with kubuntu though... a problem that doesn't appear on ubuntu: when i shutdown the PC it freezes or it appears an out of range message
[01:33] <doomnx> i am at a netcafe using windows atm
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: was it automounted?
that's the command i sudo: "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/miltos/Suse01.iso  o /media/iso"
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> doomnx: oh ok..then NM
[01:34] <doomnx> ok...
[01:34] <genii> miltos OK that should be enough info. 1 minute and I will make an entry for your fstab
[01:34] <doomnx> if anyone knew why it doesn't shutdown properly...
[01:35] <bumzo> yes nosrednaekim
[01:35] <doomnx> i like KDE, i don't want to go to GNOME...
[01:35] <bumzo> whn i plug it in ... picks automatically
[01:35] <nosrednaekim> doomnx: I have seen that problem b4 I dpon't know what it is... something about ACPI I think
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: so you select "open in new window" and it doesn't let you write to it?
[01:36] <oem> salve
[01:36] <vyoman> What's the story with the adept prompting to upgrade to 7.04 - does it work?
[01:36] <bumzo> yes ...i cant write to in nosrednaekim:
[01:37] <doomnx> do u know any workaround nosrednaekim?
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: then whats the problem?
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> doomnx: unfortunetly, no
[01:37] <bumzo> tahts what am asking ... i cant write to the external HDD
[01:38] <doomnx> well, anyway
[01:38] <bumzo> i want to add files to it ... but tells me i have to write permission
[01:38] <doomnx> thanks a lot for ur time guys
[01:38] <doomnx> see u later on
[01:38] <miltos> bye doomnx
[01:39] <genii> miltos: Please at commandline: sudo echo "/home/miltos/Suse01.iso /media/iso udf,iso9660 ro,loop,user,auto 0 0" >> /etc/fstab
[01:39] <genii> miltos Then after, attempt to mount the iso by: mount /media/iso
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: are you running kubuntu?
[01:40] <genii> please note, not sudo mount /media/iso
[01:40] <bumzo> yes kubuntu (drapper)
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> ok...then run this "kdesu konquror"
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> sorry..
[01:41] <nosrednaekim>  "kdesu konqueror"
[01:42] <bumzo> thats the browser
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> that'll run it with root permissions, and fix the write problems
[01:42] <bumzo> yes..
 the command returned 'permission denied'
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: its also the file browser
[01:43] <genii> miltos which command... the command to echo the line to fstab or the mount command ?
[01:43] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: yes it is ... so waht command do i run
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> "kdesu konqueror"
[01:43] <rockz> is there a way to change kde menu without change gnome menu ?
[01:43] <miltos> this command: "sudo echo "/home/miltos/Suse01.iso /media/iso udf,iso9660 ro,loop,user,auto 0 0" >> /etc/fstab"
[01:43] <bumzo> on terminal?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> bumzo,yes
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> rockz, yes,kmenuedit
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> !kmenuedit
[01:44] <ubotu> kmenuedit: menu editor for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2 (edgy), package size 375 kB, installed size 996 kB
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[01:44] <ubotu> Yum!
[01:44] <vyoman> what is the: distribution upgrade tool, nothing happens when following the adept upgrade wizard
[01:44] <bumzo> its opened the konquorer
[01:44] <rockz> nosrednaekim: if I edit with kmenuedit, the gnome menu wont be modiffied?
[01:44] <nosrednaekim> ok...not navigate to /media/sda1
[01:45] <genii> miltos That is very odd. Are you able to run other commands with sudo?
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> rockz, I don't think so
[01:45] <miltos> yes...
[01:45] <rockz> nosrednaekim: i want modify my kde without modify my gnome
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> rockz: I don't think kmenuedit will change the gnome menu
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: did you go to /media/sda1
[01:46] <genii> miltos OK, in this case, put: kdesu Kate                 then open the file /etc/fstab and add the line given above without the quotation marks
[01:47] <miltos> ok
[01:47] <genii> miltos eg: /home/miltos/Suse01.iso /media/iso udf,iso9660 ro,loop,user,auto 0 0                            <--EXACTLY
[01:47] <genii> You could even cut/paste from here to make sure it is proper
 i think you 've got right ...even kdesu doensn't permit to save the file!!!!
[01:51] <miltos> shall i reboot...and come back?
[01:51] <lipe> how can i unzip a .cab file from linux ??? please ...
[01:51] <genii> miltos There seems to be some other underlying issue then in your system, which is that the default user (miltos I think) is not in /etc/sudoers file or something similar
[01:52] <genii> miltos A reboot will not help in this case
 how to fix? help!
[01:53] <genii> miltos Bleh perhaps try gksudo Kate      instead of kdesu
[01:53] <genii> no wait
[01:53] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: what do u mean go to /media/sda1?
[01:53] <genii> miltos kdesudo i think instead of kdesu .... I am getting tired, very sorry
[01:54] <genii> miltos so: kdesudo Kate                 and then the line as described added to the file.
[01:54] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: when i click on storage media ... it shows a blank page
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> do you have your HD plugged in?
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ad can you see it in your own user?
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> *and
[01:55] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: media:/ on the adress bar
[01:55] <genii> miltos Getting a coffee. Back shortly
[01:55] <malik_> can any1 help with webcam prob?........i cant get my creative pd0400 webcam to work..............wiki pages are of no use as i hav tried for the last 3 wks or so.......if here is some1 from turkey i will gladly pay for them to come n fix
ok
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: I know..... is your hard drive plugged in,and can you see the contents without running that kdesu command I gave you?
[01:57] <genii> miltos I am back and hopefully a bit more awake
[01:57] <genii> :)
[01:58] <miltos> genii...i am all at sea...
[01:58] <genii> miltos OK, at konsole:     kdesudo Kate
[01:58] <miltos> what can I do now?
[01:59] <miltos> genii, command not found!
[01:59] <bumzo>  nosrednaekim: the drive is plugged in ,.... i can see it on the desktop. when i click it .. .it open on konqorer ...and can view the contents
[01:59] <genii> miltos Does Kate open when you run it this way? If not, please report the message konsole gives
[01:59] <_Daisuke_Ido_> well, it happened.  for the first time i'm actually going to require a reinstall of kubuntu...
[01:59] <genii> miltos OK
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> _Daisuke_Ido_: what'd you do?
[01:59] <genii> miltos But you were able before to open Kate with kdesu     but just not to save the file?
[02:00] <_Daisuke_Ido_> beryl went nuts.  even starting kde crashes now (without beryl)
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> bumzo: but you can't see it mounted when you navigate to /media?
[02:00] <_Daisuke_Ido_> i'm in xfce as a fallback while i download and burn an iso
[02:00] <miltos> kdesu works...kdesudo doen't work
[02:00] <nosrednaekim> go to "/media" bumzo
[02:00] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: no its not there
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> _Daisuke_Ido_: thats interesting....
[02:01] <genii> miltos OK. It is extremely odd that it will open the editor in superuser mode but then complain of not being able to save the file.
[02:01] <bumzo> nosrednaekim: bit i can see it on media:/sda1